Feb 01, 2024 Planning and Zoning Agency

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GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

STATEMENT. >> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW. PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY AREA OF JURISDICTION AND WILL BE GIVEN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT IN A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE PERIOD. PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE HEARING FOR EACH ITEM AND FOR LENGTH OF TIME DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN. WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS IDENTIFY THEMSELVES WHO THEY REPRESENT AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY, IF THEY DO NOT A FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN IT MAY BE CONSIDERED IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER IN THE HEARING SUCH PERSON WILL NEED RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS AND NEED TO BE WITH VERBATIM RECORD MADE WHICH RECORD INCLUDES TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED SUCH AS DIAGRAMS CHARTS PHOTOGRAPHS OR WITNESS STATEMENTS SHOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE CLERK FOR INCLUSION INTO THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER AGENCY, COMMITTEE OR COUNTY IN REVIEW OF THE REPEAL. AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAVE TO MEDICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON

[PZA minutes for approval: 1/18/2024]

>> AGENCY MEMBERS IN THE PACKET WE HAVE MINUTES FROM

[Public Comments]

BEFORE WE GO INTO OR NEXT WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA WE WILL GET TO THEM AS WE GO THROUGH THE AGENDA, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA, NOW IS YOUR TIME TO DO SO.

LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ON EIGHT AND NINE IS THERE ANY CHANCE OF MOVING IT UP IN THE AGENDA?

>> THANK YOU FOR ASKING BUT I WILL KEEP THE AGENDA AS IS FOR NOW. THANK YOU.

BECAUSE I ATTEND SO MANY OF THESE MEETINGS AND COMMISSIONER MEETINGS I JUST WANTED TO STATE WHAT I AM HEARING AND WHAT IT APPEARS TO ME SO I ASKED THE QUESTION WHAT DO COMMISSIONERS MOST CONSIDER AND I HIGHLIGHT THE WORD MOST AND I CAN TELL YOU IN MY OPINION IT COMES DOWN TO TWO THINGS. INFRASTRUCTURE AND COMPATIBILITY. IN PARTICULAR PERTAINING TO COMPLAINTS OF PLAN CHANGES OR TO REZONING OF LARGER PROJECTS ALWAYS HENRY DEAN AND OTHERS ARE SAYING I'M GOING TO USE COMPATIBILITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND

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[1. SUPMIN 2023-09 Moran/Bellwood Family Farm]

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? MOVING ON TO THE FIRST ITEM OF THE AGENDA. PLEASE MOVE FORWARD.

ANY AGENCY MEMBER HERE WITH ANY COMMUNICATION?

>> YES MA'AM.

>> SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHICH ALLOWS FAMILY FARM PROVISION FOR TWO MAIN USE STRUCTURES ON ONE LOT.

A FIVE ACRE LOT.

THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THE NEW STRUCTURE WOULD BE. THE STRUCTURE HERE IS CURRENTLY ON THE LOT ITSELF.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> ARE THEY PERMANENT

STRUCTURES ? >> THE ONE THAT IS ON SITE NOW IS A MOBILE HOME SO THE ONE THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE BUILT IS

A PERMANENT STRUCTURE. >> THIS IS A QUESTION FOR LEGAL. WILL THE EXPECTED USE RUN WITH THE PROPERTY OR JUST

THE PROPERTY OWNER? >> SPECIAL USE RUNS WITH THE PROPERTY , BUT IT IS LIMITED TO THE FAMILY USE. AS SOON AS THEY STOP USING IT AS FAMILY USE IT GOES DOWN THE ROAD TRANSFERS TO SOMEBODY ELSE. THEY DON'T HAVE PERMISSION TO DIVIDE IN A DIFFERENT WAY, THEY HAVE TO CONSTANTLY MAINTAIN REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE STATUTE.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER ONE? SEEING NON-BACK TO THE AGENCY

PROVISION. MR. GREEN . >> I WILL MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE 2023-09 MORAN BELLWOOD FAMILY FARM BASED ON

[2. ZVAR2023-33 Hall Carport @ 97 SeaOats Lane]

SEVEN FINDINGS OF FACT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MR. GREEN AND SECOND BY MR. PETER ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. OKAY THAT MOTION PASSES, THANK YOU.

AGENCY MEMBER HAVE X PARTAKE? >> I DID A SITE VISIT I HAVE EMAIL IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSAL AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE HOMEOWNER ON MY WAY OVER HERE AND WE WILL DISCUSS THE CONTENT OF THAT AFTER THE PRESENTATION.

>> MR. SCHMIDT WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD?

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. YES, SO , HOW DO I DO THIS? WE ARE REQUESTING A ZONING VARIANCE FOR SETBACK , WE WANT TO PUT IN A CARPORT. PROPOSING TO PUT THIS CARPORT

>> CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE?

>> SORRY, FOUR POSTS ATTACHED TO THE WALL. THAT IS WHAT WE

ARE TRYING TO DO. >> IS IT ALREADY THERE?

>> NO. WE ARE SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL.

>> ANY AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> IN REVIEWING THIS APPLICATION, I DID NOTICE THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING VIOLATION OF THE 7% RULE AND A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL WAS THAT THE HOMEOWNER WOULD COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RULE. MY CONVERSATION WITH THE HOMEOWNER IMPLIED OR STATED THEY WOULD NOT BE TEARING UP THE CONCRETE THAT IS THERE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. SO THAT IS INFORMATION THAT WAS NOT PROVIDED AND IT APPEARS TO ME THE LANGUAGE WAS CONTINGENT UPON COMING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE COUNTY STATUTES. THEY DID HAVE APPROVAL FOR A PATIO TO BE BUILT, A BALCONY TO BE BUILT IN 2012 I BELIEVE IN THE SITUATION HAD OCCURRED WHEN THE HOMEOWNER BOUGHT THE HOME THE CONCRETE WAS THERE AND IT WAS NOT NOTED OR CORRECTED AT THE TIME. I JUST WANT AGENCY

MEMBERS TO KNOW THAT. >> YES, THANK YOU. IT IS A VERY UNIQUE LOT AND THE HOMEOWNER'S REASONS FOR NOT WANTING TO REMOVE ANY OF THE CONCRETE, THERE IS SOME AMPLE PARKING SPACE THERE. THE REASON FOR THE CARPORT ALSO IS AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SIDE THERE IS TWO DAYS AND A TWO BAY GARAGE AND HE CANNOT ADEQUATELY PULL A CAR INTO THE PARKING PARALLEL TO THE WALL AND THAT IS THE REASONING FOR IT. AS FAMILY MEMBERS VISIT HIM. AS YOU KNOW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE ARE PROBLEMS PARKING ON THE STREET. THAT IS WHY HE IS NOT INTERESTED IN TAKING ANYMORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES

OUT. >> NOT COMPLYING WITH THAT

CONDITION AT ALL? >> THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

HAVE TO PASS WITHOUT THAT CONDITION, WOULD HE HAVE TO COME BACK AND THEN HE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER

VARIANCE SPECIFIC TO THAT? >> THERE IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE THE MAXIMUM VARIANT'S HE CAN REQUEST, HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH. IN ORDER TO GET THIS HE WOULD HAVE TO DO PLAN AMENDMENTS AND IT CANNOT BE DONE WITH A SIMPLE VARIANCE.

THAT ISSUE IS ONE WE ARE RECOGNIZING IT DOES NOT APPEAR AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S A COLD VIOLATION SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS LOOKED TO ANALYZE THAT, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE NOBODY FROM THE COUNTY IS APPROVING THE AMOUNT OF CONCRETE AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA THAT'S ON THE LOT BECAUSE THEIR A CHANCE I BELIEVE IT IS OUT OF

COMPLIANCE. >> YES, CORRECT. WHERE THE ROOF WITH A CARPORT ROOF, IT'S NOT CHANGING ANYTHING THAT ALREADY EXISTS AS FAR AS PERVIOUS OR IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. IT'S GOING DIRECTLY ABOVE THE CONCRETE THAT'S

ALREADY THERE. >> SO WHERE'S THE EXISTING TWO BAY GARAGE. WHICH WAY DOES IT FACE?

>> IT FACES A1A. ONE IS THERE AND ONE IS THERE.

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>> THEY WON'T USE THE GARAGE AT ALL AFTER THIS?

>> THEY WILL USE THIS BAY AND HIS CAR WITH THIS CARPORT , HE WOULD BE PARKING PARALLEL THERE AND THE OTHER WOULD PARK

HERE. >> OKAY THANK YOU.

GARAGE AND DRIVEWAY IT LOOKS LIKE I COULD PULL THE CAR INTO THOSE GARAGES. IS IT THAT TIGHT REALLY?

>> IT IS FAIRLY TIGHT, THE FIRST BAY IS OKAY BECAUSE AWARE THAT PLANTAR IS LOCATED WHICH IS PART OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. I MEASURED APPROXIMATELY 380 TO 400 SQUARE FEET , THE PLANTERS THAT ARE EXISTING. DEFINITELY WAY

OVER THE 70% MARK. >> ANOTHER PHOTO IN THE APPLICATION SHOWED THE GARAGE, CAN YOU SHOW THAT?

>> NOT THE ONES RIGHT THERE.

>> I DON'T BELIEVE SO, IT'S WHERE THE SILVER CAR IS PARKED.

MAYBE SOMEBODY COULD PUT IT UP THERE. IS THIS GOING TO HELP MICROPHONE IS WORKING NOW WHAT SORT OF CARTER THEY HAVE OR

CARS? >> THOSE CARS PICTURED FORD

BRONCO. >> I SAW THE PICTURES IN YOUR

PHOTOS. >> THERE IS A PHOTO, THANK

YOU. >> MAY BE A LITTLE BIT BLURRY.

RIGHT THERE IS THE PLANTAR. >> WASN'T THERE WHEN THEY

BOUGHT THE HOUSE? >> YES IT WAS.

>> NOT TO US BUT ANOTHER CONTRACTOR BEFORE WE MET THIS GENTLEMAN, THAT WAS THE VARIANCE HE ADDED FOR MORE PORK SPACE. WHICH WAS APPROVED AT THAT TIME. WITH THE

EXISTING CONCRETE. >> AT THE BACK OF THE PLANTAR, I SEE THAT OAKTREE, IS THAT ON THEIR PROPERTY?

>> YES IT IS. >> THE OTHER OAK TREE IN THE

FRONT. >> OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT TO

REMOVE THE PLANTAR. >> I WOULD NOT WANT TO DISTURB THE OAK. THAT IS SOMEWHAT PROTECTED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

OKAY THANK YOU. >> OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? SEEING NONE BACK TO THE AGENCY.

>> REAL QUICK , SO WE ARE UNDERSTANDING STAFF RECOMMENDING IN ORDER TO GET A CLEARANCE SHEET FOR THIS IMPROVEMENT THAT THEY DO BRING PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE SO THAT'S THE CURRENT NUMBER FOUR SO THAT'S A CONDITION

THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. >> TO BRING INTO COMPLIANCE IT WOULD BE A SMALL-SCALE CONFLICT.

>> WE ARE ASKING TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.

ASKING THEM TO RIP UP SOME THE CONCRETE THEY ARE USING AS DRIVEWAY AND PUT ANOTHER SERVICE DOWN POTENTIALLY THEY CAN USE AS A DRIVEWAY BUT THEY DON'T WANT THE IMPERVIOUS

SURFACE. >> OKAY BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR

MOTION. >> MR. GREEN.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2023-33 CARPORT AT

97 SEA OATS LANE . >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOLLOWED BY A CONDITION PROVIDED BY STAFF.

IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE COUNTY AND HAS

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GEOFFREY BATTEIGER. ANY COMMUNICATION FROM AGENCY

MEMBERS ? GO AHEAD. >> MY NAME IS GEOFFREY BATTEIGER REPRESENTING THE WHITLEY 'S LET ME SEE IF WE CAN GET INTO THIS. THIS IS REQUEST TO EXCEED THE 35% ALLOWABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR AN ACCESSORY FAMILY UNIT. THERE WAS A PREVIOUS HOME ON THE PROPERTY WITH TWO HOMES ON THE PROPERTY, ONE OF THEM WAS ACCESSORY FAMILY UNIT WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. RATHER THAN THE EXISTING ACCESSORY FAMILY UNIT WHICH WAS A MOBILE HOME WHICH WAS IN DISREPAIR IT WAS FELT REPLACING THAT WITH A NEW ONE WOULD BE A BETTER WAY TO GO. THE NEW HOME THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF AND CHECKING ZONING WAS NOT COVERED . SO THERE WAS A LIMIT OF 800 SQUARE FEET MAXIMUM ON THE PROPERTY AS THE EXISTING PRIMARY HOME SIZE. THEY PURCHASED A HOME THAT'S 992 SQUARE FEET EXCEEDING THE 800 SQUARE FEET BY 192 SQUARE FEET. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY. THERE IS IN FACT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY NEAR THE ROAD WHERE THERE IS A SEPTIC SYSTEM AND A WELL WHERE THE PREVIOUS HOME HAD BEEN. WE HAVE APPROVALS TO USE THAT SYSTEM FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. PRIMARY HOME IS AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. ZONING MAP THERE. FUTURE LAND USE .

IN CIRCLED IN RED IS THE PRIMARY HOME TO THE LEFT. INAUDIBLE ] WE WOULD USE THE SAME DRIVEWAY AS REQUESTED.

AND THERE IS A PICTURE THERE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A

MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING

[4. MINMOD 2023-21 Chase St. Augustine.]

>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTERED THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> ITEM NUMBER FOUR. MR. MICHAEL MILES. ANY COMMUNICATION FROM AGENCY?

>> I DRIVE BY MANY TIMES.

MILES DYNAMIC ENGINEERING OFFICE AT 100 NORTHWEST AVENUE. REPRESENTING THE OWNER AND THE TENANT OF COLD RAIN REAL ESTATE ASSOCIATES AND J.P. MORGAN CHASE BANK. HERE WITH US TODAY I HAVE ELLEN AVERY SMITH FROM ROGERS TOWER INSTRUMENTAL ON WORKING WITH STAFF WHO HAVE ALSO BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH FOR THE RECORD. WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SITE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF STATE ROAD 312 AND U.S. 1 WHICH HAS BEEN OPERATING AS A RED LOBSTER RESTAURANT THAT ENDED ITS TENDENCY IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR. FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS A MIXED-USE

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WE ARE NOT PROPOSING INCREASE OR MODIFICATIONS TO ANY OTHER CRITERIA , I HAVE LISTED THEM HERE ON THE SLIDE SO THERE'S MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 9000 SQUARE FEET FOR EITHER PARCEL.

MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 35 FEET, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIO 75%, PARKING WILL BE TYPICAL STANDARDS AND THERE IS EXISTING FREESTANDING SIGN IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PARCEL IN QUESTION THAT WILL BE RE-PHASED UNDER A SEPARATE SIGNAGE PERMIT FOR THE NEW CHASE BANK WE ARE PROPOSING.

ON THE SIDE THERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED HERE FOR THE NEW BANK BRANCH. IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS THE EXISTING SIGNAGE WILL REMAIN ON BOTH PARCELS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATIONS. AGAIN MICHAEL MILES DYNAMIC ENGINEERING HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND I HAVE

ELLEN AS WELL. >> MRS. SPIEGEL ANY QUESTIONS? AND LOOK LIKE YOU ARE PRESERVING THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE CENTRAL PARCEL THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO RETAIN LIQUOR ABILITY TO SERVE ALCOHOL AND HAVE A SITDOWN NOT A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT IN THE MIDDLE PARCEL THAT THE BANK WILL TAKE UP A SMALLER FOOTPRINT IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO PRESERVE THE FLEXIBILITY. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE PLANS NOW BUT YOU CAN SEE THE EXTRA SPACE IS AVAILABLE SO AT SOME POINT IF THAT'S FEASIBLE AND IT MEETS COUNTY CODES WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT BUT THERE IS THE HISTORIC ALCOHOL PROVISION WE

ARE LOOKING TO PRESERVE. >> THANK YOU I JUST NOTICED IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WILL INCREASE WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT? I KNOW YOU SHARE THE RETENTION POND WITH CENTER STATE BANK.

>> THAT'S CORRECT, THE IMPERVIOUS RATIO IS APPROVED AT 75% AND WILL NOT INCREASE PAST THAT.

>> DOES THE IMPERVIOUS, WHEN THIS WAS PERMITTED BACK I FORGET WHEN IT WAS, THE RETENTION CODES ARE THEY THE SAME? AS FAR AS INCREASING THE POND SIZE?

>> THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A UNIQUE STORMWATER CONFIGURATION. WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH ST. JOHNS RIVERD BROUGHT THE PERMIT BACK TO COMPLAINTS. SO THE FACT THAT WE REDUCE IMPERVIOUS AREA, THE SYSTEM WILL FUNCTION AS DESIGNED IN THE PAST AND IT HAS BEEN CLEANED UP TO FUNCTION PROPERLY. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

>> YES, I KNOW THE BANK SHARES THE RETENTION WATER. OKAY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR? SEEING NONE BACK TO THE AGENCY

PROMOTION. >> WITH THE BANK NEXT TO YOU HAVE THEY HAD DISCUSSIONS OF THEIR PROBLEMS WITH THIS?

>> THERE WAS NO ISSUE THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE SIGNAGE RIGHTS WERE PRESERVED WHICH IS WHY I MENTIONED THAT.

GIVEN THE PST IS NOT CHANGING THEY WERE HAPPY TO.

>> HAVE THE RIGHTS TO USE THE SIGN ON U.S. WIN.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. AND ON THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.

>> OR GET TWO BANK SIGNS. >> THE CHASE WILL BE NEWER.

>> BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MR. GREEN?

>> MOTION TO IMPROVE TO 023 SAINT AUGUSTINE-BASED FINDINGS

[5. REZ 2023-22 One North Commercial.]

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DISCUSSION SEEING NONE LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE THAT MOTION

PASSES, THANK YOU. >> ITEM NUMBER FIVE, MISS

TAYLOR ANY COMMUNICATIONS? >> YES MA'AM I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH MISS TAYLOR I DID A SITE VISIT I HAD A

COUPLE CONVERSATIONS. >> ANYTHING ELSE?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON KAREN TAYLOR. THIS IS THE ONE NORTH COMMERCIAL ADDITION REZONING UNFORTUNATELY MIKE AND MARY HAD TO LEAVE FOR A FAMILY EMERGENCY. I'M HERE BY MYSELF SO I WILL TRY TO ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME. A BRIEF TO SHOW YOU THE LOCATION, THIS IS WHERE 313 COMES INTO U.S. 1 ONLY THIS IS THE BACK PORTION OF 800 FEET FROM U.S. 1 AND I HAVE THAT OUTLINED WITH THE DASHED LINES FOR THE PARENT SITE. IT IS ADJACENT TO THE SUBDIVISION AND THAT SHOWS ON HERE AS WELL.

THIS IS A LITTLE CLOSER. THIS IS GETTING DEVELOPED AS IT COMES ALONG SO IT IS PART OF THAT. THE EAST IS UNOPENED, DEMONSTRATING THE WETLANDS IN THAT AREA. THERE IS THE UNOPENED FLAGLER BOULEVARD WHICH WOULD BE HERE, ORIGINALLY THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD USE THAT AND I MEANT TO PUT IN THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE LAST ROUND THAT I DIDN'T.

BUT I DO HAVE A COPY IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SITE PLANS. SOUTH IS UNDEVELOPED AND NORTHWARD IS ALSO UNDEVELOPED. THIS BRINGS IT UP CLOSE AND PRETTY MUCH SHOWS YOU WHAT THEY HAVE DEVELOPED AT THIS POINT. IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT IF YOU CAN SEE I HAVE SOME PICTURES. THE REQUEST IS REALLY TO TAKE THAT COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE THAT HAD CONDITIONS ESTABLISHED AND JUST MAKE THIS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE LIKE THE REST OF THE SITE AND STILL ALLOW FOR STORM WATER IN THE RETENTION POND THAT'S ALREADY CONSTRUCTED AND ALSO STILL REQUIRED IN THE BUFFERS.

IT IS ADJACENT TO SOME ZONE PROPERTY AGAIN CONSTRUCTION HAS ALREADY COMMENCED. FUTURE LAND USE, WE HAVE MIXED-USE AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT IS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE WITH A LOT OF OTHER DIFFERENT SURROUNDING LAND USES, RESIDENTIAL BNC, INDUSTRIAL, INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL. ZONING IS KIND OF A MIXED BAG ALONG CARE. YOU CAN SEE THE SITE OUTLINED AS THE CIA AND A NUMBER OF OTHERS . THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL IN THE PUD BUT BASICALLY IT IS INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL AREA. SO IT IS 1.01 ACRES. AGAIN TO REZONE TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE WITHOUT CONDITIONS. FROM COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE WITH CONDITIONS. IT IS 11 LOTS AND THOSE WERE PART OF THE SAINT AUGUSTINE PARK SUBDIVISION, 40 FEET WIDE BY 100 FEET DEEP.

FOUND ON CYPRESS DRIVE WEST WHICH IS UNOPENED AND THAT CONNECTS TO FLAGLER BOULEVARD. THE CONDITION LIMITED TO THE BUFFER TO BUFFERING AND THE STORM WATER RETENTION AND FIVE OF THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE AREA. WHICH SHOWS THE RETENTION POND AND SHOWS THE BUFFERING IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. OUT OF THESE 11 LOTS SIX OF THEM THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO USE. THEY ARE VACANT, THEY HAVE SOME ISOLATED WETLANDS AND THEY WOULD PROCEED WITH MITIGATION FOR THOSE. THE PARENT SITE RUNS FROM U.S. 1 TO THIS SITE. IT HAS STORAGE FACILITY ALONG THE REAR OF THE SITE PRIOR TO THE OWNERS OBTAINING THESE LOTS AND

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THOSE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES ARE PRETTY IMPORTANT TO THEM AT THIS POINT TO BE ABLE TO HELP MAKE THE SITE WORK. AGAIN IT WAS PLANTED A LONG TIME AGO. THE ONLY PART DEVELOPED IS OLD DIXIE DRIVE AND IT IS A LONG DISTANCE AWAY FROM HERE.

REGARDLESS OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE ZONING IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS TO THAT . THIS IS JUST A COPY OF THE SITE PLAN TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN WITH U.S. 1 HERE, THOSE LOTS HERE, THIS IS THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT IN THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THAT WAS THE WETLAND DELINEATION THEY HAD FROM THE PAST. JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION. THIS DID NOT TURN OUT AS WELL AS I WOULD LIKE YOU TO. WHEN THE NEW GIS GIVES IT A LITTLE TOO MUCH COLOR BUT IT WAS TO SHOW YOU THE LOTS AND RELATIONSHIP TO THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS BEHIND WHICH ARE RIDDLED WITH WETLANDS.

THEY ALSO OWNED SOME ADDITIONAL LOTS RIGHT HERE, THOSE ARE NOT INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS, BUT THOSE WILL STAY NATURAL. THERE IS NO INTENT TO USE THOSE. THIS IS FROM THE OLD ONE WHEN I CAME BEFORE. SO I THOUGHT YOU COULD SEE THE WETLANDS THROUGHOUT THAT AREA. THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP. THIS IS THE PROPERTY APPRAISER MAP AND THAT IS ALSO TO KIND OF INDICATE THE AREAS AND HOW THE OWNERSHIP IS IN THOSE AREAS. AND THIS SHOWS THIS WHICH SHOWS THE WETLAND STRAND AND AGAIN IT IS ISOLATED WITH A LOT OF THOSE BACK THERE, THEY ARE ISOLATED STRANDS. ON THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN , FOR THOSE PARTICULAR LOTS , YOU DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC USE EXIT THEY HAVE VELOCITY MOTOR WORKS WANTING TO MOVE HERE. THEY ARE IN TOWN, SO INITIALLY THAT WOULD BE FOR PARKING AND STUFF RELATED TO THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING AND ACCESS TO THAT BUILDING. AGAIN THAT IS INCLUDED ON HERE TO SHOW IT WOLD STILL MEET THE BUFFERING STANDARDS. RIGHT NOW IF YOU GO TO THE SITE YOU WILL SEE THAT IS RV STORAGE AND THAT IS A TEMPORARY THING FOR THIS UNTIL THEY BUILD THE NEW BUILDINGS. THIS IS PROPERTY NORTH TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE OTHER INDUSTRIAL WILL LOOK LIKE.

THIS IS A VIEW TO THE SOUTH. THIS IS COMING FROM THE SOUTH AND LOOKING AT THE INTERSECTION. YOU CAN BASICALLY SEE THOSE LOTS AND SIGNS. THIS IS THE SITE. IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO DRIVE BY , I LIKE TO GET A PICTURE WITH ZONING ON IT. THEY HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY TO DEVELOP THIS INTO A NICE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. SO THEY HAVE A MIXTURE OF TENANTS AT THIS POINT, THIS IS THE DEVELOPED FRONTAGE. THIS IS KIND OF HOW THEY TAKE CARE OF THE REAR PARTS OF THE BUILDINGS AS WELL. THESE ARE THE BUILDINGS I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE MORE LIKE GOING TO BE PERSONAL SELF STORAGE , BUT NOW THEY ARE MORE BUSINESS TYPE STORAGE. THIS IS SOME PICTURES OF THAT AREA IN THE BACK. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THEY DO HAVE FENCING THERE NOW .

THIS IS ALSO ALONG THE BACK AREA. SO THE PROPERTY YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE PROPERTY THEY WOULD BE USING. THIS IS THE DEVELOPED RETENTION AREA. AND SOME OF THE BUFFER WITH THAT.

AND THEN THIS IS KIND OF AGAIN COMING DOWN THE OTHER SIDE ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND THIS IS LOOKING BACK TO HOARD THE

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IF SOMEONE TO DEVELOP THE SUBDIVISION IT WOULD BE A ROAD BEHIND THEM, BUT THEY DID NOT IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT THING, BUT AGAIN IT IS SITTING THERE FOR A LONG TIME. WE DID MEET WITH THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND WE ALWAYS DO THAT BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WE ARE ASKING FOR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AND TO ALLOW FOR THIS SINGLE PIECE OF ZONING FOR THE ENTIRE SITE. AND AGAIN STILL PROVIDING FOR THE BUFFERING AND THE RETENTION. IF YOU LIKE TO SEE WHAT OTHER PANS ARE OR ANY ADDITIONAL I HAVE SOME ON THE MAPS. OTHER THAN THAT, I

AM OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, AND THE QUESTIONS? WHERE IT HAD THOSE 11 LOTS, DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER?

>> IT IS 40 FEET. THERE 100 FEET DEEP.

>> IT IS QUITE DEEP, IT REALLY GOES DOWN AND THEN THEY FLATTEN OUT BACK THERE. SO YOUR INTENTION IS TO FILL THE AREA AND THAT'S THE LAST FIVE LOTS.

>> IT IS SIX. >> FIVE ARE USED TO THE NORTH.

EXTENDED BACK AND THEN HAVE THE AUTO REPAIR SHOP WHERE THE

FENCE ENDS. >> MOTOR WORKS WILL REPLACE

MOST OF THAT SELF STORAGE. >> I DO UNDERSTAND 1926 APPROVAL OF THOSE LOTS BEHIND YOU IN THE WETLANDS AND THE DIFFICULTY THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED IN ALMOST 100 YEARS WITH COMPATIBILITY BUFFERS THEY WILL STILL BE THERE. WHAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND THE CONDITION ON THE LAST ?

>> I'M GOING TO MOVE OVER HERE.

>> THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT ACCOMPANIED WHEN WE FIRST ASKED FOR THE USE OF THESE. THEY HAD PLANNED TO DO SELF STORAGE AND THEY DID NOT REALLY NEED THAT PARTICULAR AREA. THEY WERE NOT PLANNING TO USE IT SO WHEN THE PZA MEMBER ASKED THEY WERE LIKE OH, SURE KIND OF THING. THERE WERE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WETLAND MITIGATION TYPE THINGS AND THEY WERE KIND OF CONCERNED, SO AS THEY GOT MORE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THEY PHASED A LOT OF THINGS ON THIS SITE. ORIGINALLY THEY WERE GOING TO USE FLAGLER BOULEVARD AND HAD GONE TO A NUMBER OF PLANS AND THEN THE COUNTY NEXT TO THAT. SO THE ENTRANCE IS NOW DOWN HERE. SO THEY LOST CONSIDERABLE PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP FROM THAT ACTIVITY. SO IT'S A

COMBINATION OF THINGS. >> ALSO FOR INFORMATION TYPE PURPOSES AND THIS IS FROM THE LAST TIME BUT I ALSO HAVE AN UPDATE TO THIS ONE. I JUST KINDA WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE FLOOD ZONE MAP IN THE AREAS, THEY ARE OUT OF ALL OF THAT ON THEIR SITE, BUT THE SUBDIVISION AREA THAT HAS BEEN

PLATTED BEHIND IT -- >> THIS ONE, FEMA DOES NOT LET YOU DRAW ON THEIR MAPS. YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE RIGHT IN HERE.

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>> LOOKS LIKE A GOOD LOCATION AND IT IS A NICE SITE THAT IS NICELY DEVELOPED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE? IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE?

>> ABOUT IS AT 6210 JUST SOUTH OF ME. THE OTHER PROJECT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS 6236 JUST NORTH OF ME. 6 1/2 ACRES. AND I THINK YOU SHOULD DENY THIS REQUEST BECAUSE A JUDGE , 15 YEARS OR SO AGO ORDERED THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PROPERTY AT 6210 62102 DIG THE DITCH ON THE PROPERTY TO KEEP THEIR WATER FROM COMING ON TO MY PROPERTY. AND THEY NEVER DID AND THEY FILLED IN THE PROPERTY ABOUT A FOOT ABOVE MINE AND FILLED IN THE SWAMP, THEY CUT ALL THE TREES DOWN. AND FILLED IN THE SWAMP NOW THE NEW DEVELOPMENT JUST SOUTH OF THESE OF THESE PEOPLE LEFT THE SWAMP JUST THE WAY IT WAS. THEY BUILT THEIR HOUSE IS AROUND IT. AND THIS GUY THAT OWNED THE PROPERTY, WHEN THE JUDGE ORDERED HIM TO DIG THE DITCH SAID THAT HE HAD TO PAY $250 A DAY, FIVE DAYS A WEEK UNTIL HE DUG THE DITCH. SO HE WOULD COME DOWN TO THE COUNTY EVERY 10 DAYS AND EVERY TWO WEEKS AND PAY $2500. AND HE NEVER DID DIG THE DITCH. SO IF THIS GUY WANTS TO USE HIS PROPERTY COMMERCIALLY, I THINK YOU SHOULD MAKE HIM TAKE THE DITCH ON HIS PROPERTY TO KEEP HIS WATER FROM COMING ON MY PROPERTY. HE BUILT HIS PROPERTY UP ABOUT A FOOT TALLER THAN MINE SO I GET ALL HIS WATER. FOR YEARS, EIGHT FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE STEAM CLEANED AND NOW WHEN IT RAINS I GET A POND WITH OIL ALL ON TOP OF THE WATER FROM HIS PROPERTY. I DON'T DO ANYTHING MECHANICALLY. I GOT A BIG BUILDING THERE IS A GARAGE AND STORAGE BUILDING AND HE FLOODS IT. PEOPLE AT 6236 , ALL OF THEIR WATER COMES ON MY PROPERTY. THEY HAVE RUINED MY DRIVEWAY, OVER 200 FEET.

FILLING IT WITH THEIR WATER, THEIR WATER COMES OFF THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING DOWN TO THE PAVEMENT AND THEN TO THE EDGE OF THE PAYMENT IT COMES DOWN 45 DEGREES SLOPE TO MY PROPERTY. SO, MY PROPERTY, ABOUT TWO ACRES IS UNDERWATER

OVER A FOOT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU SIR. I WILL LET MS. TAYLOR RESPOND WHEN SHE GETS BACK UP AND HOPEFULLY STAFF CAN HELP YOU AS WELL. I WILL HAVE MISS TAYLOR RESPOND WHEN SHE COMES BACK AND THEN I WILL HAVE STAFF REACH OUT TO YOU OKAY? THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? MISS TAYLOR? MA'AM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK?

>> MY NAME IS RIGHT BEHIND THE PROPERTY. I DRIVE BY AND LOOK AT THEM OCCASIONALLY. IT IS NOT SWAMPLAND. THE ONLY TIME I HAVE SEEN ONE OF THE LOTS WITH A LITTLE BIT OF WATER ON IT WAS AFTER A NOR'EASTER WITH DAYS AND DAYS OF RAIN. SHE

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>> OKAY ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM? OKAY SEEING NONE, MISS TAYLOR? ABOUT, AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT GOT UP, I'VE HAD THE GENTLEMAN FROM NEXT-DOOR COME TALK TO ME WHO IS TRYING TO SELL HIS FOR COMMERCIAL, THIS GENTLEMAN IS TALKING ABOUT THIS PIECE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL , SO AS FOR DOING A DITCH OR WHATEVER , THERE WAS SOME ISOLATED WETLANDS ON THIS.

NOT VERY MANY, BUT SO WE'VE GOT THE RETENTION POND AND EVERYTHING SLOPE INTO THAT SO NOTHING FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD GET TO THIS GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY. AS FAR AS WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF WHERE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT AS I'M NOT VERY GOOD WITH THE ADDRESSES. AND JUST TO CAN YOU CLARIFY, THE OTHER LADY THAT STOOD UP, I DID NOT SAY IT IS SWAMP I DID SAY THERE'S A LOT OF WETLANDS IN THERE. SOMETIMES YOU CAN OR CANNOT TELL WETLANDS WITH VEGETATIVE TYPES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE ARE SOME LOW AREAS AND THERE IS ENOUGH CONCERN IN THE AREA THAT FEMA HAS CLASSIFIED IT AS A BASIC AREA. DOES NOT MEAN WE CANNOT BUILD IN IT, JUST MEANS WE HAVE TO BUILD TO HIGHER STANDARDS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. WE ARE NOT ASKING TO RESUME THE WHOLE SITE. IT IS ALREADY ZONED, WE ARE ONLY ASKING FOR THE REMOVAL OF THOSE CONDITIONS ON THE BACK.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MR. GREEN. >> YES. MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO RESULT 2023-22 COMMERCIAL BASED ON THE FOUR

FINDINGS AND FAX. >> FOR APPROVAL? MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND SECOND BY MR. PETER. ANY DISCUSSION? DR.

HILSENBECK ? >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COUNTY TO ASSURE THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE WHOSE PROPERTY IS BEING FLOODED , THAT CANNOT HAPPEN AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN AND THIS CAN REMEDY THE NEW DEVELOPMENT FOR THE SITUATION. I WOULD HOPE THERE CAN BE STATEMENT FROM THE COUNTY ABOUT THAT. NOBODY'S PROPERTY SHOULD BE FLOODED FROM SOMEBODY ELSE. GOING FORWARD WE CAN DISCUSS IT.

MANAGEMENT. HERE CORRECT , IT DOES NOT ALLOW ADVERSE OFF-SITE IMPACT . I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GIVE THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS HERE CONTACT INFORMATION FROM ONE OF MY

STAFF MEMBERS. >> THANK YOU.

>> IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION WE WILL MOVE TO

[6. PRD 2023-01 Honey Branch Farms.]

THE MOTION PASSES. WE WILL HAVE A STAFF MEMBER COME TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT ISSUE OKAY? OKAY. ONE OF THE STAFF WILL COME TO YOU.

ITEM NUMBER SIX DOES ANYBODY HAVE COMMUNICATION?

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>> I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL YESTERDAY FROM THIS GENTLEMAN STANDING HERE. PARTNER COHORT AND HE CALLED TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT AND I WOULD PREFER TO AS THE QUESTIONS.

>> MR. GREEN. >> I WAS IN MY CAR DRIVING,

YES A CONVERSATION . >> I HAD A VOICEMAIL ALSO ABOUT THE PROJECT AND IS DETAILS AND PERHAPS THE SITE

PLAN WAS BEING CHANGED. >> OKAY MISS SPIEGEL ?

>> MR. PIERRE ? >> AT A CONVERSATION AS WELL

YESTERDAY. >> I HAD A PHONE MESSAGE WITH

NO CONVERSATION. >> I HAD BOTH. CONVERSATION AND

PHONE MESSAGE. >> BEFORE WE GET STARTED I WILL LET THE BOSS HERE TALK IN A MINUTE, LET ME HANDOFF TO YOU COPIES OF ONE SMALL FIGHT CHANGED TO THE PUD TEXT AND THE MAP WHICH WILL TALK ABOUT AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.

PRESENTATION NOW. >> WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU TODAY THE FIT FOR LOT PRD ON 273 ACRES OF LAND JUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 208 AND FOR SOME BACKGROUND WE HAVE SPENT THE LAST TWO AND HALF YEARS PUTTING THE PLAN TOGETHER. PUT TOGETHER A TEAM OF FABULOUS PARTNERS WITH GULFSTREAM DESIGN AND ENGINEERING FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH AS WELL AS FAMILY FARMING WHOSE TRACK RECORD IN THIS COMMUNITY SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS WITH NEIGHBORS INFORMED OF THE PLANS SINCE DAY ONE AND WE HAVE THEIR FULL SUPPORT AND THE PLAN WE WILL PRESENT TODAY WILL RESULT IN NOT ONLY AN INCREDIBLY ATTRACTIVE AND LOW DENSITY COMMUNITY, BUT ADDITIONALLY ONE THAT IS CONFORMING AND A PLACE WITH NO CONSTRAINT ON THE COUNTY OR ANY RESOURCES. WITH THAT I WILL PASS THINGS OFF TO MRS. SMITH.

>> FOR THE RECORD THE LOCATION OF THE SITE HERE IS 95 STATE ROAD 69COUNTY ROAD 208, THIS IS THE CITY ROAD AND THEN COUNTY ROAD 13-A TO THE NORTH. THIS IS JOE ASHTON ROAD TO THE CONNECTION POINT INTO THIS PRD FROM JOE ASHTON ROAD THERE WILL BE A NEW ROAD CONSTRUCTED INTO THE SITE. TALKING ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION , WE ARE NOT SEEKING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. THE LANDIS REMAINS ORAL CULTURE UNDER THE OBJECTIVE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ALL OF THE CRITERIA OF THAT COMPANY IS A PLAN POLICY AND ITS OBJECTIVES ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH A PLAN IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE. GOING TO THE ZONING MAP. THIS PROJECT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH PART 5.0 4.00 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. PART OF THE PROPERTY OR ALMOST ALL OF THE PROPERTY IS OWNED PRD TODAY, ALL BUT 40 ACRES. THE EXISTING PRD INCLUDES 53 LOTS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY. THIS ADDS 40 ACRES AND ONE MORE LOT. SO YOU CAN SEE AGAIN THE ENTRANCE ROAD FROM 208 GOING DOWN OWNED

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THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO 54 ON THE ENTIRE PRD. AND THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY, THE 90% IS CALLED RESERVE AREA. IN THE CASE OF THIS PRD YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN ENTRANCE ROAD AND THESE AREAS ARE WHERE THE LOTS ARE. YOU WILL SEE WITHIN THE LOTS IN THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHICH I GAVE YOU PRINTED ON 11 BY 17 YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE BETTER. WITHIN EACH LOT IS AN AREA OF DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPMENT AREA, THAT'S WHERE THE HOMES, GARAGES AND WHATEVER ARE PLACED. THERE IS ALSO A SMALL PORTION OF THE RESERVE AREA WITHIN EACH LOT WHERE PEOPLE CAN HAVE GARDENS, HORSES OR WHATEVER. THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE WITHIN THEIR LOT THEMSELVES AND WHAT THE PRD TEXT REFERS TO AS THE LOT DEVELOPMENT AREA. WE ALSO HAVE FARMS BECAUSE THERE ARE EXISTING FARMS FROM THE WELLS FAMILY WITHIN THIS PROPERTY SO YOU CAN SEE IN THESE AREAS THE FARMERS ARE AREAS WHICH REMAIN ACTIVE FARMS. SO I WILL LET HIM TELL YOU ABOUT THE FUN STUFF THAT HAPPENS IN FARMS AND THEN THE COMMUNITY IN A MINUTE. YOU ALSO HAVE A THIRD RESERVE AREA THAT WE WILL CALL COMMON RESERVE AREA OR HOA RESERVE AREA LIKE THESE PRESERVED WETLANDS HERE. SO YOU CAN SEE AND THE ONE CHANGE, THESE AREAS REMAIN AS THEY ARE IN PRESERVATION , THEY ARE PART OF THE RESERVE AREA. PART OF THE PRD SAYS RESERVE AREA CANNOT BE DEVELOPED. THAT'S IN THE BINDING ZONING ORDINANCE FOR PROPERTY SO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE AREA ARE AWARE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND THEY KNOW THAT ONLY PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY CALLED DEVELOPMENT AREA CAN BE DEVELOPED. THE OTHER HAS TO REMAIN RESERVED IN PERPETUITY. THAT'S THE NATURE OF REZONING ORDINANCE. SO, GOING TO THE CHANGES WHICH ARE THE DOCUMENTS I HANDED OUT , THE FAMILY HAD A RECENT DELINEATION OF WETLANDS WITH A MORE DETAILED DELINEATION AND WHEN WE FILED THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST NOTICED THESE POCKETS IN PURPLE ARE IN FACT THE WETLANDS. SO WE HAVE NOTED AS WETLANDS TO BE IMPACTED ON THE MAP WHICH IS THE CHANGE THAT YOU HAVE, THAT'S THE MAP I JUST PASSED OUT TO YOU. THOSE WETLANDS WILL BE IMPACTED AS THE CONSTRUCTION ALONG WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ENTRY ROAD.

BUT, THE REMAINDER OF THE WETLANDS WILL REMAIN AS PRESERVATION AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE TEXT, WHICH I GAVE

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OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON THIS SLIDE?

>> NOT ON THIS ONE, THANK YOU.

>> OKAY SO YOU CAN SEE ALSO, THESE ARE THE CRITERIA THAT THE LOTS WILL FOLLOW. HERE IS THE RESERVE AREA CALCULATION. 150 ACRES OF FARMLAND THAT WILL REMAIN IN ACTIVE FARMS. AND THEN SHOW YOU THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT. YOU CAN SEE THE HONEY BRANCH PRD WHICH IS NOT THIS PRD AND THEN THIS PROPOSED SITE

AND THEN JOE ASHTON ROAD. >> IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

>> AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THE RANGE OF THE LOT SIZES AND AGAIN THEY WILL CONSTRUCT PART OF THE COUNTY COMMENTS WHERE HERE'S THE ACCESS ROAD, THIS IS COUNTY ROAD 208, THERE WERE TO BE A TURN LANE CONSTRUCTED UNLESS DOWN 208 TO TURN LEFT INTO THE SITE AND THERE MAY BE THE NEED TO CONSTRUCT A RIGHT TURN LANE TO TURN SOUTH INTO THE SITE FROM EASTBOUND 208. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH DETAILS IN THE STAFF BUT THAT WILL BE PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN ANALYSIS.

>> ON TO SOME OF THE FUN THINGS. WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS WITH A FEW OTHER AGRICULTURE RELATED ENTITIES TO COME UP WITH SOME ATTRACTIVE AMENITIES THAT PRESERVE THE NEIGHBORING AESTHETICS AND FARMING IS OBVIOUSLY HUGE IN THE COMMUNITY SO IN ADDITION TO THE VERY ATTRACTIVE FARM FENCING FOR ALL THE GOOD LOOKING ENTRY FEATURES, WE INTEND TO PLANT SEVERAL HUNDRED OAK TREES AND THAT WILL END UP DEPENDING ON WHAT OUR SPACING LOOKS LIKE. WE HAVE JUST OVER 1100 FEET OF ENTRY ROADWAY AND WE WILL BE PLANTING THREE OR FOUR OAK TREES PROBABLY EVERY 40 TO 50 FEET ON CENTER. THROUGHOUT THE ENTRYWAY.

ADDITIONALLY , THE REMAINING APPROXIMATELY 8000 FEET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY IN THE COMMUNITY WILL ALSO BE OAK TREE LINE EVERY 40 TO 50 FEET. AS FAR AS SOME OF THE COMMUNAL AMENITIES, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE AND WE WILL FIRST CONSTRUCT COMMUNITY GREENHOUSE AND THERE WILL BE FRESH CROPS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ADDITIONALLY THEY'RE GOING TO GENEROUSLY SET ASIDE A COUPLE ACRES OF THEIR FARMLAND THAT AS OF NOW THE PLAN IS TO GROW GREEN BEANS ON, BUT THEY WILL SET A COUPLE ACRES OF FARMLAND ASIDE AND GROW COMMUNITY CROPS THAT WILL BE DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY APERIODIC FARMERS MARKET WHICH WILL INCLUDE THINGS LIKE GREEN BEANS, CARROTS, MAYBE ONE OR TWO ACRES OF SWEET CORN. WE FEEL THIS WILL REALLY PUT A VERY ATTRACTIVE LOW DENSITY FLAG ON THE COUNTY MAP AND NOT THE THERE IS NOT A PLACE FOR HIGH DENSITY WITHIN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THIS IS AN ECOSYSTEM AND WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER. WITH LIKE THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THIS UNIQUE LOW DENSITY CAN REALLY WORK IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND RESULT IN VERY ATTRACTIVE AND

INTERACTIVE COMMUNITIES. >> THAT IS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE AND IF THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK WE WILL COME UP AND ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS THEY RAISE

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DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. >> DR. HILSENBECK QUESTIONS UP FRONT AND I DO HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. INITIALLY WHEN I READ THIS I THOUGHT IT WAS THE BEST THING FROM SLICED BREAD AT THE PUBLIX BAKERY. AFTER READING ALL OF YOUR MATERIALS I DO HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TODAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM. I WILL HOLD QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS INTO THE PUBLIC HAS A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN AND THEN I WILL HAVE

QUESTIONS, THANK YOU. >> I HAVE TWO SIMPLE QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL WHAT TYPE OF OAK ARE YOU PLANNING TO

PLANT? >> LOCAL LIVE OAKS.

>> OKAY . >> WE WILL PLANT THE MOST RESILIENT WITH A FEW FARMING PARTNERS HERE WE WILL GET INTO

MORE DETAIL. >> OKAY.

>> DO YOU HAVE A PRICE POINT ON THESE?

>> THE HOMES , NOT YET, I WILL BE SELLING LOTS , BUT BASED ON THE SURROUNDING ACRE AND A HALF UP TO TWO WILL BE SUMMER IN THE RANGE RETURN THROUGH TO 25 AND 250 THROUGH TO 25 AND $250,000 ALONE.

IT'S SO TINY. THE WESTERN BOUNDARY, I ASSUME WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES , IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE SITE PLAN WE DON'T MAKE THE 50 FOOT BUFFER, BUT I CAN GUESS IS IN THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WHERE IT JUTS OUT ALL I CAN GUESS IS THE BUFFER AND THEN THIS IS NEAR THE FEED STORE BUT IT'S MORE THAN 200 FEET AWAY FROM THE STORE RIGHT?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU. SEEM NONE ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SIX? HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO REVIEW IMPORTANTLY THAT'S THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 5.04 AND THEN SUBSECTIONS , SO I'M JUST GOING TO PROCEED WITH MY READING OF THAT AND INTERPRETATION OF THAT. FIRST OF ALL 504 50402 504022 DISTINCT AREAS AS A MATTER FACT DEVELOPMENT AREA AND SO IN MY OPINION THAT MEANS A DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT DOES NOT MEAN DEVELOPMENT AREAS SIMILARLY THAT MEANS YES A RESERVE AREA OR NO NOT RESERVED. CLEARLY THE LANGUAGE IN 504 SO AS MS. AVERY HAS SPOKEN THE NUMBER OF HOMES ARE BASED ON THE AMOUNT SET ASIDE FOR DEVELOPMENT, 80% IS THE MINIMUM FOR PRESERVE AREA THAT HAS TO BE SET UP UNDER 50402 AND THE 50 FOOT BUFFER IS TALK ABOUT GOING AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT AREA. I SUBMIT THE DEVELOPMENT AREA IS SINGULAR THE DEVELOPMENT AREA. THIS IS A PLAN THAT I BELIEVE HONEY BRANCH WILL LOOK LIKE THAT IS A DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT IS A PRESERVED AREA. 245 DEVELOPMENT ACRES OF HOMES AND BUFFERS AS REQUIRED SO RELATED TO THE HONEY BRANCH IS THERE ONE AREA ONE RESERVE ABOUT THE USE OF 50 FOOT BUFFERS? ONE DEVELOPMENT AREA, THAT FAILS BECAUSE THEY HAVE SUBDIVIDED THIS AND THE NUMEROUS NUMEROUS SMALL LITTLE LOTS THAT THEY HAVE SOLD AND PEPPERED THROUGHOUT THIS AND 504 TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BEING COMPACT. THIS IS NOT COMPACT HOW ABOUT THE RESERVE AREA THAT FAILS BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE A SINGLE RESERVE AREA INSTEAD THERE ARE THREE FARMS AND 52 LOT RESERVE AREAS HOW ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOMES?

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WAS GIVEN TO YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> I OWNED THE NURSERY WHICH IS 10 FEET FROM JOE ASHTON FROM 208 , I COULD HAVE DIED WHEN I GOT THIS THING. YOU KNOW I CANNOT SAY THEY CANNOT BUILD IF YOU WANT TO GO FOR THAT THAT'S FINE. WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THE ENTRANCE IS WHERE THEY ABSOLUTELY SAY NO WAY JOSÉ AND THE REASON I SAY THIS IS WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR LAND I'M SAYING HERE THIS IS THE ORIGINAL 10 ACRES WE BOUGHT FOUR MORE PARCELS SO IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHERE THEY BEGIN AND WE GOT A 30 FOOT COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY AND IS ON PAGE --

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, JOE ASHTON ROAD GOES INTO THAT RIGHT THERE. SO WHO DO YOU THINK WILL LOSE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND WE HAD TO SELL IT WHEN WE SOLD OUR PROPERTY AS PART OF THE DEAL WHERE WE SOLD IT. SO THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TO GET TO THEIR HOMES, THEIR BARNS AND THEIR WHATEVER. PUTTING IT THIS WAY IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING. WE HAVE ONE COVERT AND THEN THEY WILL PUT WHATEVER THEY PUT IT, BUT THEY WILL TAKE ON BOTH SIDES, THEY HAVE NO WAY OF GETTING PEOPLE BACK THERE WITHOUT GOING ONTO OUR PROPERTY. NOW THIS ISN'T FAIR, IF THEY WANT TO BUILD AND THEY CAN BUILD ALL THEY WANT I DON'T CARE. PUT IT SOMEPLACE ELSE. THE ENTRANCE, NOT BY OUR NURSERY COME ON. WE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 45 YEARS SINCE 1979 WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS NOW? MY CHILDREN LIVE THERE AND THEY WILL HAVE TRUCKS GOING UP AND DOWN AND UP AND DOWN WITH DIRT, OUR BUSINESS IS ONLY 7:30 IN THE MORNING UNTIL 3:00 SO THERE IS NO NOISE AFTER THAT. THESE ARE TWO LANE ROADS, JOE ASHTON IS TWO LANES. STATE COUNTY ROAD 208 THERE ARE TWO LANES. ALL THE STUFF WE HAD TO PUT UP WITH. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE OF A LOT OF CARS ON TWO LANES.

ALREADY UP THE ROAD WE HAVE A PIT THAT'S GOING IN AND THEY WILL BRING THE DIRT DOWN OUR ROAD AND THEN GO UP JOE ASHTON BUILDING UP LAND. ALL OF THIS BUILDING IS NOT GOOD I THINK IF THEY WANT TO PUT IT BACK THERE I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY ARE SAYING HOLD ON I HAVE THREE SECONDS. ANYWAY DO I

BELIEVE THEM? NO. >> OKAY THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SIX?

RECORD. >> LIVE ON

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WE HAVE A NURSERY DOWN THE STREET WHICH IS A SHRUB NURSERY AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW SEMI TRUCKS WILL COME IN AND OUT OF THIS ROAD. LOADING TREES AND UNLOADING TREES. IF THIS COMES ALL THE WAY ACROSS. HERE. THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY SAID TWO LANES IT IS A ONE LANE DIRT ROAD. AND ALL THE FARMS AROUND WELLS FORMS , THE NURSERIES, WE USE CHEMICALS. WE WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE TO BUT YOU KNOW FUNGUS AND THINGS YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF . IF YOU HAVE ALL THESE HOMES AND THEY SPRAY IN THE SUMMER, THE PLANES WILL FLY BY AND SPRAY AND SPRAY LIKE MY MOM SAID YOU KNOW YOU CANNOT STOP PROGRESS AND YOU CAN START BUILDING BUT THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER WAY TO GET IT AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA AND THERE'S A LOT OF CHEMICALS THAT DO SPRAY BACK IN THE FORMS. DURING THE SUMMER SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THEY WANT TO CONSIDER. I WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE THERE PERSONALLY

IF I KNEW THAT. SO. >> ANYONE ELSE PLEASE COME

FORWARD. >> YES, MY NAME IS ADDRESS ] DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE TWO LADIES THAT JUST SPOKE.

OUR AREA IS EXPLODING AND WE KNOW WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, BUT THE ONE THING THAT NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED IS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT NOW.

PEOPLE COMING FROM WARDS CREEK DOWN JOE ASHTON ROAD TWO 208 TO 13 TO 214 IS LIKE AN INTERSTATE. THIS ENTRANCE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN AT THE END OF JOE ASHTON ROAD I LIVE ON THE CORNER DIRECTLY ACROSS. MY FAMILY HAS BEEN THERE ALMOST 100 YEARS AND I HAVE BEEN THERE 63.

THERE IS SO MUCH GROWTH AND SO MUCH POOR PLANNING WHEN IT COMES TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND INCONVENIENCE THAT WE EXPERIENCE AS LONG-TERM RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA , IT'S RIDICULOUS. I CALLED THE OFFICERS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OUT CONSTANTLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE TRAFFIC IS HANDLED ON OUR ROAD AND WHEN YOU'RE DUMPING ANOTHER 54 HOMES WITH APPROXIMATELY TWO OR THREE CARS PER HOME ONTO THAT SMALL ROAD, WE CANNOT HANDLE IT. ALSO I AGREE WITH THE TWO LADIES THAT JUST SPOKE WHEN IT COMES TO THE WAY THIS WILL BUT INTO JOE ASHTON ROAD. IT IS GOING TO BE WORDS THAT I CANNOT USE IN FRONT OF YOU THE WAY IT'S GOING TO LOOK. THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE MANAGED IN THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE HANDLED. IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE LONGTIME RESIDENTS THAT HAVE LIVED THERE ALL OF OUR LIVES AND HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH THE GROWTH ALL AROUND US AND I THINK IT IS NOT THOUGHT THROUGH OR PREPARED PROPERLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WE ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH. OUR ROADS CANNOT HANDLE IT AND ANYONE THAT HAS SMALL CHILDREN OR HAS PETS OR ANIMALS YES IT IS THEIR OBLIGATION AND OUR OBLIGATION TO KEEP IT OFF THE HIGHWAYS BUT I'M SCARED TO EVEN GO TO MY MAILBOX SOMETIMES FOR THE WAY TRAFFIC IS. I HAVE ENTRANCES GOING OUT TO JOE ASHTON ROAD ON 208 AND CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY IT TAKES THREE OR FIVE MINUTES TO GET OUT IN THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC. ANYTIME THERE'S A ACCIDENT ON 95 GPS ROUTES THESE PEOPLE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS THIS IS NOT EVEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC DUMPED INTO 208 NOW. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME EVER COMING TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS BUT I HAD TO BECAUSE MY LIFE IS AFFECTED BY THE GROWTH TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS RIDICULOUS. I AM NOT AGAINST GROWTH, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE OVER BUILDING AND SMALLER AREAS WHERE WE CANNOT GET IN AND OUT OF THE YARD IT IS WRONG. THANK YOU.

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SIR. >> HI MY NAME IS BEN WELLS 135 COUNTY ROAD 13. MY FAMILY HAS BEEN FARMING FOR CLOSE TO 70 YEARS IN THE AREA. WE HAVE FORMED MULTIPLE PARCELS THAT ARE NOW HOUSES, WE ARE PARCELS THAT WE HAVE CONTINUED TO FARM FOR THREE GENERATIONS, ME BEING THE THIRD MY BROTHER AND I BEING THE THIRD. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ON BEHALF OF US FOR THE FARMING FAMILIES THAT WANT TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE , WE MUST LEARN TO ADAPT AND CREATE A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH DEVELOPMENT WE ARE DEALING WITH FOR THE FUTURE. I BELIEVE THIS CONCEPT SHOWS MERIT FOR JUST THAT. WITH THAT BEING SAID I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS WE HAVE SUPPORT FOR THIS AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ADAPTING EQUIPMENT TO GET DOWN THE HIGHWAY TO DEAL WITH THIS, TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING. BUT WE ARE PREPARED TO MAKE CHANGES AND WE WANT TO FARM FOR THE FUTURE HERE IN THE COUNTY. I FIND THAT VERY

IMPORTANT, THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? COME ON UP.

PROPERTY BASICALLY TOUCHES CLOSE TO THIS PROPERTY. I'M FOR THE DEVELOPMENT FOR A FEW REASONS THESE DEVELOPERS GOT WITH THE FARMERS , WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO FIND THE BEST WAY TO DEVELOP THIS , CONSIDERING US. THERE WILL ONLY BE 54 HOMESITES I BELIEVE PROPERTY VALUE WILL IMPROVE AS WELL. IT IS COMPLETELY IN KEEPING WITH THE TONE OF WESTERN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. PLEASE APPROVE THE ZONING. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? MISS SMITH? BIG AND GO SMALL, WE WILL SAY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO CLARIFY. I WANT TO START OFF WITH THIS IS AN APPROVED PRD. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2006-74 APPROVED 53 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS ON ABOUT 233 ACRES OF THIS PROPERTY. SO THIS IS APPROVED PRD AND WE'RE ADDING 40 ACRES AND ONE LOT. I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR. THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PRD CALLED SWEET METAL FARMS HAD THE LOT THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. THERE WAS NO SET ASIDE A FARMLAND COMMON AREA OR HOA RESERVE AREA, NOTHING, THIS IS THE APPROVED MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY. ALL BUT 40 ACRES OF THE PROPERTY. GOING TO WHAT THE COMPANY IS A PLAN SAYS, BECAUSE THEY SKIPPED OVER THE DETAIL OF WHAT'S IN THE CONFERENCE A PLAN AND IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HE IS A LOVELY GENTLEMAN AND A FINE ARCHITECT BUT NOT A LAND-USE LAWYER SO WE WILL GO THROUGH THIS. WHAT HE SAID WAS TRUE. ABOUT 10% OR WE PUT 90% IN OUR PRD WHICH ALLOWS ONE UNIT FOR HALF-ACRE OR TWO UNITS PER ACRE RIGHT HERE. IT ALLOWS CLUSTERING OF HOMES WHERE UNITS ARE PLACED TO CLOSE FACSIMILE TO EACH OTHER.

DRIVEWAYS AND COMMON AREAS MAY BE SHARED BY SEVERAL RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS FOR THE PURPOSE OF RETAINING AND PREVENTING OPEN SPACE. NOTE RESERVE AREA AT MINIMUM 70% OF THE RESERVE AREA SHALL BE HELD IN COMMON OWNERSHIP OR BE RETAINED BY A SINGLE-FAMILY OWNER ENGAGED IN BONA FIDE AGRICULTURE FOR CIVIL CULTURAL BUSINESSES. WE ARE DOING THAT

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JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ALL THE POINTS RAISED BY THE PUBLIC. YES . I THINK THAT'S IT AND WE WILL ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS THE BOARD MIGHT HAVE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> WELL, I FIRST WANT TO SAY THAT I REALLY LOVE, APPRECIATE AND VALUE AGRICULTURE IN AMERICA AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR MR. WELLS SPEAK AND I'M GLAD HE IS IN FARMING AND HE PROBABLY KNOWS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, MARK JONES, WHO IS ALSO A FARMER AND WORKED WITH FRITO LAY AND SO FORTH. I REALLY VALUE AND RESPECT FARMERS IN AGRICULTURE. AND AS I SAID WANT TO FIRST READ THIS ITEM I THOUGHT, THIS WILL BE GREAT. WE'VE GOT 273 ACRES. YOU'VE GOT 27 ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT AND YOU'VE GOT 246 ACRES OF PRESERVED AREA. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE WHEN I FLIPPED THROUGH THE ITEM AND GOT TO THE PLAN. SO, WHEN I GOT TO THE PLAN , AND IF YOU COULD PLEASE PUT UP THAT SITE PLAN AND BACKGROUND SLIDE YOU HAVE THERE. WHAT I WAS EXPECTING. YEAH, RIGHT HERE. POWERPOINT. WHAT I WAS

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AGRICULTURE? >> DR. HILSENBECK I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PREMISE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DO NOT SAY ONE CONTIGUOUS DEVELOPMENT AREA AND ONE CONTIGUOUS RESERVE AREA. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS. YOU HAVE TO READ ALL OF THE CRITERIA THAT ARE IN THE SEVERAL PAGES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN THE SEVERAL CRITERIA THAT ARE IN THE PRD. SO, WHAT WE PRESENTED AND WE HAVE TRIED TO, AGAIN, FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO REQUIRE -- AND I WILL PUT THIS UP ON THE SCREEN FOR EVERYONE SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE ARE PRESERVING, LITERALLY , 245 ARE ALMOST 246 ACRES OF RESERVE AREA. THAT IS WHAT IS REQUIRED. THAT IS THE 90% WE ARE BROKEN IT DOWN INTO THE FARM RESERVE AREA BECAUSE THE WELLS BROTHERS CAN RETAIN CONTINUED FARMING ON THE MAJORITY OF THAT LAND PICK THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WILL OWN ABOUT 25, ALMOST 26 ACRES, WHICH WILL BE COMMONLY HELD BY THE HOA AS RESERVE AREA. AND THEN THERE WILL BE SMALL AMOUNTS OF DEVELOPMENT AREA AND RESERVE AREA WITHIN EACH LOT, WHICH IS PERMITTED UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THE EXISTING PRD MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN LOCKS OUT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. ALL 233 ACRES IN THE EXISTING PR DAY ARE ALLOTTED OUT.

>> AND THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2006?

>> CORRECT. >> REAL DIFFERENT . IT WASN'T BUILT OUT SO IT'S MADE AT THIS POINT. YES, IT STILL WAS APPROVED FOR A PRD AND NOT THE DESIGN.

>> WE ARE MODIFYING THIS PRD BECAUSE THERE ARE LEGALLY , LEGAL RIGHTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS THAT RUNS WITH TITLE TWO.

233 ACRES . WE ARE RESPECTING THE FACT THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HAVE CRITERIA AND, SO, WE HAVE MET THE CRITERIA WITH THE SIDE PLAN. WE PRESENTED IT.

PRESENTED IT TO THE COUNTY PROFESSIONAL STAFF WHO REVIEWED THROUGH IT AND MADE COMMENTS ON IT.

>> YOU SAID THAT EARLY AND APPRECIATE THE STATEMENTS BUT THE QUESTION I ASKED YOU WAS WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THOSE 26 ACRES OF RESERVE AREA AND THE 73 ACRES THAT WERE GOING TO BE DISTRIBUTED WITHIN , TO GIVE THE LOTS. WHAT WILL HAPPEN? WILL THE BE ACTIVE AGRICULTURE ON THOSE CRACKS

>> IF PEOPLE WANT THAT. IF YOU WANT TO COME OUT AND BUY ONE OF THESE LOTS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUILD A HOME -- YOU ASKED THE QUESTION I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU YOUR ANSWER. HERE IS YOUR DEVELOPMENT AREA WHICH IS THE RIGHT BOX WHERE YOU CAN BUILD A HOME, GARAGE, WHATEVER. THE GRAY AREA ALSO IN YOUR LOT, YOU CAN HAVE A GARDEN OR ANY ANIMALS YOU WANT OR WHATEVER, BUT IT CANNOT BE DEVELOPED. AGAIN, THIS RUNS WITH TITLE TO THE PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY HAS THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE WHAT GOES ON IN THE DEVELOPMENT VERSUS RESERVE AREAS.

>> BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FARMED BY A PROFESSIONAL

FARMER. >> I MEAN, I CAN'T SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. A PROFESSIONAL FARMER COULD OWN IT AND FARM IT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND

DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRE. >> I'M GOING TO READ SECTIONS OUT OF THAT AND ASK YOU TO INTERPRET THEM DIFFERENT THAN I AM INTERPRETING THEM. IF I BOUGHT ONE OF THESE, MAY

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50 FOOT BUFFER ALL AROUND IT. >> YOU CAN'T BUILD IN IT. YOU CAN DO ACTIVITIES FOR YOUR GARDEN OR YOUR ANIMALS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO OUT THERE BUT YOU CANNOT BUILD YOUR

HOUSE AND IT. >> I CAN PUT A STORAGE SHED ON

IT OR A POLE BARN? >> YOU CAN PUT A POLE BARN BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE AGRICULTURAL USE, SURE AND IT

SAYS THAT IN THE TEXT. >> PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE A POLE BARN FOR SMALL AREA LIKE THAT. NONETHELESS, HERE IS WHAT I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT. PLAN WORLD DEVELOPMENTS, AS YOU WELL KNOW, THIS IS FROM LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 5.02 DESIGN ROLES SHALL CONTAIN TWO DISTINCT AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT AREA AND RESERVE AREA . THE TOTAL PRD PARCEL SHALL BE CONFIGURED IN SUCH A MANNER AS TO PERMIT CONTINUATION OF ANY FARMING FOR CIVIL CULTURAL USES OF THE RESERVE AREA. BUT YOU'VE GOT THE RESERVE AREA BROKEN UP INTO AN HOA RESERVE AREA OF NEARLY 26 ACRES AND A LOT RESERVE AREA OF NEARLY 73 ACRES SO, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT IS CONFIGURED TO PERMIT CONTINUATION OF ANY FARMING OR CIVIL CULTURAL USE OF THAT RESERVE AREA. I DON'T SEE IT. YOU'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT AREAS REFERRED TO AS RESERVE AREA. 147.25 ACRES. GREAT. LOVE IT. HOPE IT CONTINUES IN FARMING FOREVER. HOA RESERVE AREA . 26, NEARLY A LOT RESERVE NEARLY 73, AS I SAID. SO I DON'T SEE THAT THAT FITS THAT LDC SECTION OF DESIGN ROLES THAT IT SHALL BE CONFIGURED IN SUCH A MANNER AS TO PERMIT CONTINUATION OF ANY FARMING FOR CIVIL CULTURAL USE OF THAT

RESERVE AREA. >> OKAY. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO COMES INTO PLACE OR BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WORLD CIVIL CULTURE. WERE LOOKING AT OBJECTIVE 8.1.6 AND LOOKING AT POLICY 8.1.6.2 PARENTHETICAL 5. AT A MINIMUM, 70% OF THE RESERVE AREA SHALL BE HELD IN COMMON OWNERSHIP OR BE RETAINED BY A SINGLE OWNER ENGAGED IN BONA FIDE CIVIL CULTURAL AGRICULTURAL CIVIL CULTURAL BUSINESSES. THAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH TRUMPS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT

CODE. >> GOOD.

>> SO, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS SUPPLEMENTAL TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND PROVIDING MORE DESIGN DETAILS, BUT IT DOES NOT OVERRIDE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

>> I'M GLAD THAT'S CLARIFIED. BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD ISSUES HERE BEFORE WHERE WE ARE RELYING ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THEN SOMEONE PULLS OUT A COMP PLAN PROVISION. YOU CAN'T APPLY THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE THIS IS IN A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. I'M GLAD YOU CLARIFIED THAT. THAT TRUMPS IT.

SO, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IT SAYS HERE IN LDC SECTION 5 POINT 0403 DEVELOPMENT AREA. LET'S SEE IF THIS TRUMPS IT AS WELL. UNDER E IS IS THE DEVELOPMENT AREA SHALL MANY USE THE WORD SHALL, BE COMPACT . CAN YOU PUT THAT SLIDE BACKUP OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT AREA? I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING COMPACT. I SEE THAT AS SPRAWLING. NOT URBAN SPRAWL , IN TERM OF THE COMP PLAN BUT I SEE THAT AS TAKING UP AND EXTENDING THROUGH THREE QUARTERS OF THE PROPERTY HOW IS

THAT COMPACT? >> IT'S CONTINUES ON. SHALL BE COMPACT AND NOT SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE TOTAL PRD PARCEL. AND IF YOU CONTINUE ON IT SAYS, THE INTENT IS THE DEVELOPMENT AREA AND RESERVE AREA TO BE CONFIGURED IN SUCH A MANNER AS TO PERMIT THE CONTINUED FARMING OR SUPER CULTURAL USE OF THE RESERVE AREA OR ALLOW MAXIMUM OPEN-SPACE TO BE RETAINED IN THE RESERVE AREA THROUGH CLUSTERING THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA.

>> I'M GLAD YOU READ THAT BECAUSE AS CLUSTERING THERE.

FIRST OF ALL IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMPACT AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CLUSTERED. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT IS COMPACT OR CLUSTERED. I DON'T SEE IT. IT EXTENDS THROUGH THREE QUARTERS

OF THE PROPERTY. >> ACTUALLY, IT DOESN'T.

BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS AGAIN. JUST THE BUILDABLE AREA WITHIN LOT. YOU SEE THE REMAINDER OF THE RESERVE AREA , AGAIN, 70% OF THE RESERVE AREA IS AGRICULTURAL AND WILL REMAIN IN FARMING .

>> I GUESS WE HAVE TO DISAGREE BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THIS MAP MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS BEING COMPACT OR CLUSTERING.

WHAT MR. MCENERY SHARED ISIDORE IN THE FIRST BLOCK PROPERTY, THE 27 ACRES UP THERE WERE SUBDIVIDED AND 54 RESIDENCES

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ACTIVELY FARMED. >> -- YOU AND I CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE ABOUT THE INTERPRETATION OF COMPACT. BUT IT DOES -- WE ARE MEETING THE CRITERIA. AGAIN, 90% OF THE LAND IS RESERVE AREA. AND, SO, AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE FARM AREA AND YOU HAVE OTHER RESERVE AREAS THAT COMPRISE 90% OF THIS LAND. SO, AGAIN, IT IS MY OPINION AND APPARENTLY YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF'S OPINION THAT THIS PLAN MEETS THE CRITERIA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

EVERY DAYS AND I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, AS YOU WELL KNOW.

I'M A BIOLOGIST. I JUST INTERPRET THIS DIFFERENTLY AND I WILL RESERVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE AGAINST IT BECAUSE OF MY INTERPRETATION OF THIS. BUT I JUST DON'T SEE THAT YOU ARE ADHERING TO WHAT I WOULD CALL THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THESE SECTIONS TO HAVE A CLUSTERED AND COMPACT DEVELOPMENT . THIS IS NOT CLUSTERED OR COMPACT. IT MAY BE A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT.

IT LOOKS GREAT. I MAY EVEN WANT TO BUY OUT THERE. BUT I DON'T LIKE THE DESIGN OF IT. IT SPRAWLS THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND YOU ARE ONLY LEAVING, ACCORDING TO MR. MCENERY'S CALCULATIONS, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ABOUT 50% BUT HE SAID 54% WILL BE AN ACTIVE AG AND THE REST WILL NOT. SOMEONE'S LONG, THEY CAN MOW THEIR YARD. THEY WILL OWN THAT PROPERTY IS

THAT CORRECT? >> THEY WILL OWN THE LOT RESERVE AREA BUT NOT THE HOA RESERVE AREA. THE HOA WILL OWN -- WHICH WILL THEN BE PART OF THE OPEN-SPACE THAT NOBODY, THAT WILL NOT BE WITH ANYONE'S A LOT. BUT TO YOUR POINT WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE. AND I RESPECT YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT YOU BRING UP THESE ISSUES. AS A LAND-USE ATTORNEY , PRACTICING LAND-USE LAW IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FOR 17 YEARS I DISAGREE WITH YOU AND MR. MCINERNEY ABOUT THE INTERPRETATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

>> OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IT SAYS THE APPLICANT WHO IS PROPOSING DEVELOPMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA NEED NOT OWN THE TOTAL PRD AREA AND FEE SIMPLE SHALL BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE APPLICANT TO HAVE SUFFICIENT PROPERTY RIGHTS TO PRESERVE AREA SO AS TO ALLOW FOR RESTRICTING OF THE RESERVE AREA AS PERMIT OPEN-SPACE . SUCH RIGHTS AND EVIDENCE OF SUCH RIGHTS WILL BE OBTAINED PRIOR TO APPROVING AND THE REZONING OF THE PRD. SO HOW IS THE LAND GOING TO BE RESERVED, MAINTAINED? WILL HE BE A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON IT? WHERE THERE WILL BE A D DISTRACTION? WHAT WILL BE PLACED ON THAT OVERALL PROPERTY IN THE PRD TO ENSURE THAT THIS

LAND REMAINS AS OPEN SPACE? >> FIRST OF ALL , THE MCGARVEY IS, THROUGH AN ENTITY THEY HAVE, HONEY BRANCH ACRES LLC, OWNS THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION SO THAT CRITERIA IS MET. AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE AN EXISTING PRD WITH AN ORDINANCE. THESE ORDINANCES GET RECORDED AGAINST TITLE TO PROPERTY. EVERYONE WHO BUYS A LOT OUT HERE HAS NOTICE AND THEIR TITLE WHEN THEY BUY THE LOT THAT THEY WILL NOT BUILD THE HOUSES THERE. YOU CAN BUILD THE TYPE OF HOUSE YOU WANT SUBJECT TO THEIR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW . BUT EVERYONE WILL HAVE NOTICED THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS, WHERE THE RESERVE AREA IS , AND THE COUNTY HAS THE LEGAL RIGHT TO ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE OR THE ORDINANCE THAT WILL BE ENACTED ASSUMING THE COUNTY COMMISSION

APPROVES THIS. >> OKAY. LET ME ASK THIS. IS THERE GOING TO BE A CONSERVATION EASEMENT OVER

THIS? >> OVER THE ENTIRE PROPERTY?

>> WELL, OVER THE RESERVE AREAS . ALL THE RESERVE AREAS AND THAT WOULD BE FARMERS OR AREA OF 147 ACRES, HOA RESERVE

AREA , LOT RESERVE AREA. >> WE INTEND TO PLACE THE AGRICULTURAL EASEMENT OVER THE AREA.

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. THANK YOU. OKAY. WHO WILL HOLD

THAT EASEMENT? >> THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF THAT ?

>> CORRECT. >> THEY WILL BE EQUIPPED TO DO THAT? OKAY. GOOD. ON THE MAP YOU HAVE UP THERE RIGHT NOW,

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GRAY AREAS SURROUNDING EACH? >> RESERVE AREAS THAT ARE

WITHIN EACH LOT. >> SO THE OWNER OF EACH LOT

WILL NOT OWN THOSE GRAY AREAS? >> THEY WILL. THE LOT INCLUDES THE DEVELOPMENT AREA AND THE RESERVE AREA . BUT, AGAIN --

>> AND THEY CAN MOW THEM AND PLAY FOOTBALL OUT THERE?

>> THERE IS NOTHING, AGAIN, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT PROHIBITS PEOPLE FROM RECREATING HIM HAVING WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO, BASICALLY, IN THE RESERVE AREAS. THEY JUST HAVE TO BE RESERVED IN PERPETUITY THAT

WAY. >> OKAY. BUT THEY ARE NOT IN

AGRICULTURE. >> BUT, AGAIN, I'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE 70% IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

>> OKAY. SO ALL THESE HOUSES WILL BE ON SEPTIC TANK?

>> YES. >> ALL IN SEPTIC. I THOUGHT THE COUNTY COMMISSION WAS DISCOURAGING SEPTIC . I KNOW SEWER WAS PUT OUT 208 BUT I DON'T THINK IT WENT PAST OF

THE CITY ROAD. >> CORRECT. THERE IS NO WATER

AND SEWER. >> SO THEY WILL ALL BE ON SEPTIC, WHICH IS NOT A GREAT THING, EITHER. BUT IT'S RURAL LIVING. I'VEHAD TWO HOUSES WITH SEPTIC TANKS ON LARGE ACREAGE SO I UNDERSTAND AND IT'S GREAT FREEDOM TO HAVE THAT I LOVE IT. OKAY. BUT THE COUNTY COMMISSION IS BASICALLY -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A POLICY BUT IT'S BEEN STATED SEPTIC TANKS ARE DISCOURAGED. YOU HAVE A CLASS 10 FIRE SERVICES ISO RATING . THAT'S THE WORST RATING FOR THE FIRE

SERVICES, FIRE SAFETY. >> THE PRD ACTUALLY ADDRESSES THAT FIRE SAFETY. IF YOU WILL LOOK AT -- HANG ON ONE MINUTE AND FLIP THROUGH THIS THERE IS A FIRE SERVICES PROVISION .

>> AND WHAT YOU JUST HANDED OUT TODAY?

>> IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT THAT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKAGE BUT FOR FIRE PROTECTION IT SAYS THAT THEY WILL EITHER INSTALL PRIVATE PRESSURIZED NON-POTABLE WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM OR CAN SPRINKLE HER. AND THAT IS IN -- PAGE SEVEN

IN SECTION HP 5. >> I MUST'VE MISSED THAT AND WHAT, 182 PAGES? SORRY. SO, WHY AREN'T YOU HAVING A MORE COMPACT AND CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT , SAY, ON THE NORTHERN PARCEL OR ALL THE WAY DOWN IN THE SOUTHERN PARCEL, THE SOUTHWESTERN PARCEL? WHY ARE YOU NOT DOING THAT AND HAVING THIS MORE COMPLICATED, SPRAWLING-TYPE DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT. THREE QUARTERS OF THE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS LENGTHWISE. IT COVERS THREE QUARTERS OF THE PROPERTY.

I MEASURED IT. MINUS THE ACCESS ROAD. WHAT YOU DOING A MORE COMPACT AND CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT?

>> DR. HILSENBECK I WILL ANSWER FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE. IF SEAN WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE DEVELOPER PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE THE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANT AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND WE HAVE AN EXISTING PRD ON THIS PROPERTY THAT HAD LUNCH THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE 233 ACRES. THAT'S MY ANSWER.

>> THAT IS MADE AT THIS POINT. IT WAS NEVER BUILT.

>> THIS IS WHAT THE SERMON COMMITTEE LOOKS LIKE, AND FURTHERMORE BECAUSE THERE ARE NEW UTILITIES AND WE ARE ON WELL AND SEPTIC FOR THE LTC, TECHNICALLY, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A ONE ACRE LOT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON A PRIVATE WELL AND SEPTIC. OF COURSE WE CAN'T HAVE FULL ONE ACRE LOTS BUT THE SPACE IS STILL NECESSARY SO WE WORK WITH THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT AND THIS WAS THE JUSTIN OF THEIRS.

OF THE HOUSES ADDS UP TO 90 ACRES . EXCUSE ME . 73 ACRES AROUND EACH HOUSE. THAT CAN HAVE A SEPTIC TANK ON IT?

>> IT CAN'T PICK THE SEPTIC TANK HAS TO BE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA HOWEVER THERE IS STILL SPACING REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN WELL AND SEPTIC TANKS.

>> OKAY. I STILL DON'T SEE THAT YOU ARE SETTING ASIDE AND

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THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THIS. I JUST DON'T SEE IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN RATIONALIZE IT.

>> WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND I WILL AGREE TO DISAGREE. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF US? I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DISRESPECTFUL BUT WE HAVE AN AUDIENCE FULL OF

PEOPLE. >> AND I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY ON ALL THE ISSUES COMING BEFORE HERE TODAY. BUT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ITEM AND IT DESERVES TO BE HEARD AND I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, PER SE, AT THE MOMENT YOU HAVE ANSWERED THEM. NOT TO MY PERSONAL SATISFACTION BUT YOU HAVE GIVEN SOME INTERESTING AND

GOOD ANSWER SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> MS. SPIEGEL?

>> THANK YOU. I LIKE THIS PLAN. I LIKE IT VERY MUCH. I THINK THAT WE ARE IN A COUNTY THAT IS GROWING AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN ABILITY TO HAVE A MEETING OF MINDS AND COME UP WITH UNIQUE IDEAS AND WAYS TO PROVIDE PRODUCTS THAT PEOPLE WILL LIKE. I LOVE THE IDEA OF A FARM RIGHT THERE. I LOVE THE IDEA OF YOUR HOUSE ON A LARGE LOT THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE TO DO BUT BE IN THAT LOT. AND I THINK THAT IS A SECTOR OF THIS POPULATION THAT WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT. I LIKE THIS PRODUCT. IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE HIGH-END, YOU KNOW, BUT I GET IT. NICE , FARM, WHIRL-TYPE LIVING EXPERIENCE. THE FREEDOM OF THE SEPTIC AND BEYOND. THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS PERSONALLY BUT I LIKE THIS A LOT. I DON'T THINK IT'S SUPER DENSE. I SEE THE & ROADWAY IMPACTS. 27%. 27%. 54 RESIDENCES AREN'T GOING TO AFFECTED, NECESSARILY. I UNDERSTAND LOOKING AT THE LETTER OF THE LAW AND TRYING TO STICK WITH THAT, BUT I ALSO SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND I LOVE THE CREATIVITY. I THINK WHERE THIS COUNTY IS GOING RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO HAVE CREATIVE MINDS AND WE NEED TO STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY ABOUT WHERE WE WILL DO THINGS THAN WHAT WE WILL DO . I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT TO THE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN THAT HAVE THE NURSERY OUT THERE. I WAS OUT ON THIS PROPERTY. I DID A SITE VISIT. I DROVE DOWN THE ROAD THAT THOSE SEMITES GO ON AND IT'S A ROUGH AND BUMPY DIRT ROAD. YOU ARE GOING TO BE IN HEAVEN WHEN YOU HAVE A NICE ROAD THAT YOUR SEMI TRUCKS CAN GO DOWN. IT'S REALLY ROUGH OUT THERE. THERE ARE BENEFITS TO BE HAD. NOBODY LIKES CHANGE PICKETS DIFFICULT AND THE COUNTY IS DEVELOPING AND IT'S HARD AND MAKES EVERYONE NERVOUS BUT IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP AND WE NEED TO DO IT IN A REASONABLE WAY THAT MAKES SENSE AND PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THOUGHT OF. I THINK THIS IS AN OUT OF THE BOX WAY OF THINKING. I REALLY LIKE THIS A LOT. APART FROM OTHER

COMMENTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MR. MATOVINA? >> FIRST I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF FOR MAKE IT TO THE DISCUSSION PART IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO PULL UP WHAT I BELIEVE WAS THE FIRST PRD IN THE COUNTY, WHICH I THINK WAS CALLED TOOK A LOT OF FARMS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT VERY FAR FROM HERE. IT'S OVER ON THE RIVER JUST -- IF YOU'RE ABLE TO LOCATE IT , FINE. IF NOT, I WILL GO FROM MEMORY. BUT I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT , MAYBE TWO QUESTIONS. MY QUESTION IS, AND AGAIN IT SO HARD TO SEE THE SITE PLAN AT THIS SCALE. BUT THE WHITE SQUARES, THE DEVELOPMENT AREA ARE SURROUNDED . SO THE AREA

BETWEEN THE WHITE SQUARES AND THE STREET IS RESERVE AREA? >> YES, SIR.

>> OKAY. SO SHOULDN'T YOUR USES YOU SPECIFY IN SECTION E FOR RESERVE AREAS SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED DRIVEWAYS? DON'T YOU WANT A DRIVEWAY TO THE DEVELOPMENT AREA? IF YOU GO TO THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 4, SECOND TO LAST PARAGRAPH, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO PUT DRIVEWAYS IN THE LOT RESERVE AREAS.

>> OKAY. WE WILL ACCEPT THAT AS AN AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MR. MATOVINA.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS I THINK MR. MCGARVEY SAID YOU CAN PUT SEPTIC TANKS YOU CAN ONLY PUT THEM IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THIS SAYS I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT IT SAYS. BUT I BELIEVE WHAT IT SAYS IS YOU CAN PUT THEM IN THE LOT RESERVE OR OTHER AREAS ?

>> IT DOES. WATER, WELL, SEPTIC TANKS, PRIVATE FIRMS AND OTHER AMENITIES RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AREA WITHIN EACH LOT MAY NOT CONTAIN THE USES LISTED. SO, YES, THOSE CAN BE

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>> YOU MAY WANT TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN THERE TOO. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU HAVE A

SIDEWALK BUT YOU MAY WANT TO PUT THAT IN THERE. >> OKAY. JUST TAKING THAT THREE FOR TRANSPARENCY SAY, HERE IS THE REDLINE. WE ARE GOING TO PUT IN -- SORRY FOR MY TERRIBLE HANDWRITING -- IT SAYS , DRIVEWAYS, SIDEWALKS, AND OTHER AMENITIES.

>> MAKES SENSE TO ME. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. TODAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. GREEN? >> YES. THIS IS MORE OF A STAFF QUESTION. I KNOW THEY TURNED IN NEW TEXT AT THE LAST MINUTE WHICH I'M NOT IN BIG FAVOR OF BUT YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO

REVIEW MANY ISSUES AND PROBLEMS ? >> THEY SENT THE REDLINE TO ME A COUPLE DAYS AGO. THEY COULD NOT MAKE OUR DEADLINE SO I HAVE LOOKED AT IT. THE REDLINE IS

WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IT IS. >> SO YOU DID RECEIVE A COPY BEFORE US ?

>> AND MR. GREEN TO BE TRANSPARENT, WE DISCOVERED AT A REALLY RECENT, AS IN LATE LAST WEEK, UPDATE TO THE WETLAND DELINEATION. SHOW THIS LITTLE AREAS AND WE WERE TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT SO YOU BOARD AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION THAT THERE WOULD BE THAT LITTLE WETLAND IMPACTS. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE WALKING THE CHANGES ONTO THE FLOOR TODAY.

>> YES. WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. I JUST WANT TO GET IT ON THE RECORD THAT

EVERYONE IS HAPPY. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. SEEING THAT WE

ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR DISCUSSION. MR. MATOVINA? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PRD 2020 301 HONEY BRANCH FARMS BASED UPON NINE FINDINGS OF FACTS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE CHANGE MADE ALLOWING SIDEWALKS AND

DRIVEWAYS IN THE LOT RESERVE AREA AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. >> PERMISSION PURPLE AND THE

SECOND BY MS. SPIEGEL. ANY DISCUSSION? >> YES. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION HERE. WERE YOU ABLE TO PULL UP -- NOT YET? I WILL TALK FROM MEMORY HERE.

WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE THE FIRST PRD IN THE COUNTY, AND IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO WAS LOCATED ON THE RIVER ALONG STATE ROAD 13 . BUT IT DID NOT HAVE VERY GOOD FRONTAGE, AS I RECALL, ON THE RIVER IN TERMS OF DEPTH. AND SO THE 26 OR SO LOTS, WHATEVER THE NUMBER OF LOTS LOCATED WEST OF STATE ROAD 13, THEY WERE VERY CLUSTERED, AS DR. HILSENBECK IS SEEKING AND AG SUGGESTED. I BELIEVE HE DROVE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AND SPLIT THE CUL-DE-SAC IN EITHER DIRECTION THE RENT PARALLEL TO STATE ROUTE 13. AND THEN IT HAD A HUGE COMMON AREA TO THE WEST OF THAT WHICH MET THEIR OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS AND I THINK THE LOTS WERE PLANTED ACROSS STATE ROAD 13 SO THEY COULD HAVE A DOCK ON THAT LITTLE STRIP OF LAND THEY HAD ALONG THE RIVER. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE IOTA OF LAND USED FOR FARMING BECAUSE FARMING IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE USED. IT WAS INTENDED TO BE AN EQUESTRIAN COMMUNITY AND THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE COMMON BARNS IN THE BACK AND THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE -- AND THIS IS A LONG TIME AGO. THIS WAS 20 YEARS AGO, I THINK, OR LONGER. 2003. OKAY. 21 YEARS AGO. BUT THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR THERE TO BE AGRICULTURAL USES. NONE AS FAR AS I CAN READ IN THIS CODE . NUMBER TWO, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A LOT RESERVE AREA IS NOT THE SAME AS PLANTING. YOU COULD PLAT THE WHOLE PIECE OF PROPERTY AS SHOWN BY THE EXISTING PRD, IN MY OPINION.

THERE ARE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION AND IT CLEARLY EXCLUDES THE BUILDING-TYPE ACTIVITIES

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MEMBERS? . >> I SPOKE WITH MR. DOUGLAS BURNETT AND MR. JAMES WHITE HOUSE ABOUT THIS ITEM. APPARENTLY THEY ARE REPRESENTING SOME LAND OWNERS IN MARSH LANDING SO THEY TRIED TO PERSUADE ME THAT THIS WASN'T A GOOD IDEA. THAT WAS

THE GIST OF THE CONVERSATION. >> MR. GREEN?

>> I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH JESSE KILLEBREW ABOUT THE MERITS OF THE APPLICATION.

>> I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH JESSE KILLEBREW WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE MERITS OF

THE APPLICATION. >> MR. PERKINS? >> I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION

WITH JESSE KILLEBREW ABOUT THE PROJECT. >> MS. SPIEGEL?

>> I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER HENRY DEAN ABOUT THIS PROJECT .

>> AND I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH MR. KILLEBREW ON TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK ABOUT THIS

APPLICATION. OKAY. MR. DAVENPORT. GO AHEAD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. GARY DAVENPORT, 212 SOUTH SHADOWWOOD, SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY. THE OWNER, MR. CHESTER STOKES IS WITH ME TODAY, AS WELL AS OUR PROJECT ENGINEER, DAVID TAYLOR, AND ALSO I HAVE COUNSELOR HERE WITH ME, JESSE MCINTYRE, WHO ACTUALLY WORK ALL OF THE -- WORKED WITH THE MASTER ASSOCIATION TO COME UP WITH THE AGREEMENT ON HOW WE WOULD DO THIS PROJECT. HE IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP REGARDING THE PROCESS OF COVENANTS AND WORKING WITH THE ASSOCIATION. HERE YOU HAVE, OBVIOUSLY, A VERY ZOOMED OUT LOCATION MAP WHAT YOU SEE IN THE BLUE IS THE COMMON AREAS AND THE GOLF COURSE AREAS. THE RED DOT IN THE RED ARROW BASICALLY SHOW YOU THE TWO PARCELS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. AND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, OF COURSE, IS MODIFYING THE MARSH LANDING PUD TO ADD FOUR LOTS TO THE PUD AT TWO LOCATIONS. HERE IS THE ONE LOCATION, WHICH IS KINGFISHER DRIVE . THE OTHER LOCATION IS AT LINKSIDE DRIVE, LINKSIDE CIRCLE, I BELIEVE. THE FUTURE LAND USE , MARSH LANDING, THIS IS COMPOSED GOING BACK TO THE '70S. AND THE SAME FOR THE KINGFISHER PARCELS. ZONING IS PUD. MARSH LANDING PUD. LIKEWISE ON THE KINGFISHER PUD PROPERTY.

ESSENTIALLY HERE WHAT WE HAVE IS THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THIS IS THE OUTLINE OF ALL OF MARSH LANDING PUD AND IT SHOWS THE TWO LOCATIONS THERE. AND THIS BASICALLY IS THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF WHAT WE ARE ADDING WITHIN THE ALREADY EXISTING PUD. ON THE LEFT YOU WILL SEE ONE OF THE PARCELS AND THAT WILL BE DIVIDED INTO TWO PIECES. AND I WANT TO POINT OUT, PARTICULARLY I WISH I PUT COLOR ON THIS, BUT THERE ARE TWO CIRCLED AREAS TO THE NORTH ON THE LEFT SIDE. THOSE ARE RETENTION PONDS THAT WILL BE ADDED FOR THESE TWO LOTS. THESE LOTS WILL ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR OWN SELF-SUSTAINING RETENTION PONDS, AND THAT IS BECAUSE THERE ARE CONCERNS, AS WE ALL KNOW IT'S BEEN THROUGHOUT THE MEDIA AND THESE MEETINGS, WITH FLOODING AND DRAINAGE ISSUES IN MARSH LANDING SO WE DECIDED WE WOULD PUT RETENTION PONDS AND RETAINER OWN, RATHER THAN ADDING IT TO THE MARSH LANDING RETENTION SYSTEM. SAME THING ON THE RIGHT . YOU WILL SEE THAT PARCEL DIVIDED INTO TWO LOTS AND THAT WILL SHARE A RETENTION POND. SO I KNOW YOU HAVE RECEIVED SOME CORRESPONDENCE FROM NEIGHBORS AND PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE CONCERNED WITH THIS PROJECT. SO I WANT TO WALK YOU THROUGH, BASICALLY, HOW WE GOT HERE AND I WON'T READ ALL THIS TO YOU BUT I WILL BASICALLY HIT THE HIGH POINTS. THE MARSH LANDING GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB IS A PRIVATE GOLF COURSE. A PRIVATE COUNTRY CLUB AND HAS BEEN OWNED PRIVATELY BY ML PARTNERSHIP, WHICH IS PRIMARILY MR. STOKES. THERE ARE NO TIGHTER RESTRICTIONS. THERE ARE NO ZONING RESTRICTIONS ON THE

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CAME IN AND WANTED TO BUY IT BUT THERE WASN'T QUITE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE IT WORK, BUT THEY WORKED WITH THE MARSH LANDING MASTER ASSOCIATION AND CAME UP WITH A PLAN WHERE THE MASTER ASSOCIATION WOULD ACTUALLY PUT IN SOME MONEY SO A GOLF COURSE WOULD HAVE A RESTRICTION, WOULD HAVE A COVENANT THAT WOULD GUARANTEE TO MARSH LANDING AND THE OWNERS IT WOULD FOREVER REMAIN A GOLF COURSE THAT THEY PUT IN SOME MONEY IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT RESTRICTION UNDER ONE CONDITION THE SELLER WANTED. HE WANTED THE ABILITY TO KEEP LAND FROM THE GOLF COURSE TO PUT IN FOUR LOTS. THIS IS BEEN PROPOSED. I WILL GET TO THE OTHER SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS FOR THESE ASSERTIONS IN A MINUTE. THAT WAS ALWAYS THE CASE. IN ALL THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ASSOCIATIONS AND THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, THERE WAS ALWAYS THAT PARTNERSHIP. ML PARTNERSHIP WAS GOING TO KEEP FOUR LOTS AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TO ADD THOSE FOUR LOTS. BASICALLY THAT WAS THE DEAL.

THEY MADE A DEAL. WE HAVE AGREEMENTS. I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THE AGREEMENTS IN A MINUTE.

THE AGREEMENTS WERE THE MASTER ASSOCIATION WOULD HAVE IT THE RESTRICTION PICK THE SILICATE FOUR LOTS . THEY WOULD PRESERVE IT AND KEEP IT THERE. IN ADDITION TO THAT THERE'S ALSO THE AVAILABILITY OF ANOTHER FOUR ACRES THE MASTER ASSOCIATION CAN USE FOR FUTURE DRAINAGE PROJECTS. SO, ESSENTIALLY, THE MASTER ASSOCIATION, WHICH EVERY PERSON WHO LIVES IN MARSH LANDING IS A MEMBER OF THE MASTER ASSOCIATION. SO THE MASTER ASSOCIATION ON BEHALF OF ITS MEMBERS, HOMEOWNERS, AND AN OVERWHELMING GROUP OF HOMEOWNERS, AGREED THAT ML PARTNERSHIP WOULD HAVE THIS LAND THEY COULD DEVELOP, FOUR LOTS. SO I'M GOING TO MOVE OVER TO THE OVERHEAD.

THE ATTORNEY FOR THE MASTER ASSOCIATION, WHICH BASICALLY GOES THROUGH AND ACKNOWLEDGES ALL THE THINGS I JUST SAID. THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THE MASTER ASSOCIATION OVERSEES ALL THE MARSH LANDING COMMUNITY AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE CLUB IS PRIVATE AND THE MASTER ASSOCIATION IS SEPARATE FROM MARSH LANDING PARTNERS. MARSH LANDING PARTNERS HAS NO INTEREST IN MANAGING THAT. AND THEY AGREED THAT THERE IS NO RESTRICTION ON ZONING IN THE GOLF COURSE THAT REQUIRES IT TO BE A GOLF COURSE. I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED THE THREE IMPORTANT PARTS HERE. THE TRANSACTION BETWEEN MARSH LANDING PARTNERS AND GOLF CONCERT, THE GOLF COURSE DEVELOPER, WAS CONDITIONED ON MARSH LANDING PARTNERS RETAINING AN OFFICE PARCEL, WHICH IS PART OF THE ZONING, AND TWO PARCELS ON THE GOLF COURSE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF FOUR LOTS. ALSO ACKNOWLEDGES THE MASTER ASSOCIATION ASSISTED IN THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE LOCATION OF WHERE THESE FOUR LOTS WOULD BE. IT ALSO ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THROUGHOUT THE TIME PERIOD, WHICH IS OVER THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS THROUGH MULTIPLE COMMUNITYWIDE NOTICES AND MEETINGS THAT THEY AGREED TO THIS RETENTION AND DEVELOPMENT OF FOUR LOTS. AS PART OF THE CLOSING MASTER ASSOCIATION AGREED THEY WOULD COMPLY AND ASSIST AND COOPERATE IN ANY OF THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT OF THESE LOTS. THE

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THIS IS OCTOBER 22 WHEN ALL THE DOCUMENTS WERE BEING SIGNED AND THE TRANSACTION OCCURRED.

IT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THE LOTS NEAR WHOLE 5 AND THE OTHER LOTS NEAR WHOLE 8. IT'S BEEN TRANSPARENT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS THAT THESE FOUR LOTS WERE FULLY ANTICIPATED AND WERE PART OF THE DEAL FOR SELLING THE GOLF COURSE AND PRESERVING PART OF THE GOLF COURSE.

>> MS. SPIEGEL? ISSUES YOU HAVE INCLUDING THE TWO WATER RETENTION PONDS ON THAT PROPERTY. I THINK THAT IS VERY GOOD . THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT THIS. AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHEN THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD AND YOU SEE WHAT MAY BE COMING IN YOUR BACKYARD, IT'S A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING.

I THINK THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN THROUGH A LOT, AND I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF RAW NERVES, AND PERHAPS THAT'S WHAT IS GUIDING SOME OF THIS. I APPRECIATE YOU GOING BACK

THROUGH THE HISTORY. THAT IS HELPFUL. THANK YOU. >> DR. HILSENBECK?

>> MR. DAVENPORT , IT STATES IN THE ITEM THAT THE DRA WAS APPROVED FOR 2000, 132 DWELLING UNITS AND ABOUT -- NOT ABOUT BUT 1060 DWELLING UNITS HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT.

IS IT FEASIBLE TO DEVELOP THOSE OTHER LOTS, OR ARE THEY IN THE MARSH AND WHAT REQUIRE

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ADDITIONAL LOTS? >> AS YOU KNOW IT'S A VERY OLD PROJECT GOING BACK TO THE '70S. SO, BACK THEN IT WAS BEFORE THE COMP PLAN AND BEFORE ZONING. AND YOU HAD A LARGE NUMBER . BUT AS MR. STOKES AND HIS PARTNERS DEVELOPED IT, THE MARKET WAS VERY LARGE LOTS SO THEY OVERSIZED WHAT THEY COULD'VE DONE BACK THEN. THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT LAND LEFT TO DEVELOP. LITTLE PIECES HERE AND THERE. I MEAN, I'VE ADDED A PIECE OR TWO OVER THE YEARS.

BUT THE LAST LARGE TRACT WAS THE GOLF COURSE. AND THIS DEAL, BASICALLY, LOCKS THAT GOLF COURSE, THE REMAINING PORTIONS OF THE GOLF COURSE IS LOCKED DOWN AND WON'T BE DEVELOPED. MR. STOKES IS SELLING IT. THE MASTER ASSOCIATION HAD THE RESTRICTION ON IT . I CAN'T SAY THERE IS NOT SOME PIECE THAT WILL COME ACROSS SOME DAY THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO ADD BUT THERE'S NOTHING SIGNIFICANT THAT CAN BE ADDED.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING THAT WE WILL GO TO THE PUBLIC. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK IN ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, IF SO,, ONE OF

THE TIME. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> WILL PEOPLE HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME BUT PRIMARILY GINA AND KATHY PICK. I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THEIR HOME IS AND JEAN IS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE. THERE WE GO. THEY RETAINED ME TO REPRESENT

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IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR SITE PLAN NOW AND SAY WHAT COULD HAPPEN ON THAT SITE PLAN, THEY'VE GOT IT LAID OUT NICELY FOR TWO HOUSES SO LET'S PUT ONE HOUSE IN ONE LOCATION IN THE OTHER HOUSE IN THE OTHER LOCATION. WE KNOW THE HOUSE IS GOING IN ROUGHLY THIS AREA BECAUSE THAT'S THE DIVIDING LINE AND THEY HAVE TWO RETENTION PONDS TO THE NORTH AND NOW YOU HAVE DR. GUERRA AND HIS WIFE IN THIS HOME BACKED UP TO A HOUSE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PEAKS HOME BACKED UP TO THIS HOUSE, AS WELL AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM A

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FIVE YARD, TENURED SETBACK SO THEIR POOL, FOR EXAMPLE, IS MAYBE 10 YARDS FROM THE REAR PROPERTY BOUNDARY. THEIR HOME IS 10 YARDS OR FIVE YARDS FROM THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. NOW WE ARE GOING TO PUT ANOTHER HOME ON THE BACKSID OF THAT THAT COULD BE DOWN IN THE 10 YARD RANGE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE VIEW ACROSS THE GOLF COURSE YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT WHERE YOU SEE THE TWO HOUSES. MATT REESE WHO OWNS THE HOME IN THE FOREGROUND ON THE RIGHT IS ACTUALLY HERE IN THE AUDIENCE. LOOK, THERE IS THE PEAK HOUSE IN DR. GURU'S HOUSE IN THE BACKGROUND, THERE WILL BE A HOME BETWEEN THESE HOUSES. NOT JUST ONE, THERE WILL BE TWO HOMES IN THAT AREA.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT A DIFFERENT VIEW DRIVING DOWN MARSH LANDING, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A HOME IN FRONT OF THE OAKLEY HOME AND IT WILL BE THE REAR OF THAT HOME, SO WHERE THE NEW HOME IS BUILT IN THE POOL IS LOCATED WILL BE WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THE OAKLEY FRONT DOOR AND YOU HAVE THIS NICE, BEAUTIFUL GOLF COURSE IN YOUR FRONT YARD, NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, MAYBE A TRAMPOLINE, BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALLOWED. RECREATIONAL ITEMS AND THE LIKE ARE GOING TO BE IN YOUR FRONT YARD. YOU FILL THAT IN FROM THE STREET LEVEL VIEW, NOW INSTEAD OF OAKLEY HOME BEING VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD, ACROSS A MUCH BIGGER AREA, IT'S GOING TO BE ACROSS A DEFINED AREA. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PEAK HOME AND YOU CAN SEE HERE WHERE THEIR POOL IS AND LOOKING ACROSS THEIR POOL TOWARD THE GOLF COURSE, YOU'RE NOW GOING TO HAVE A HOME THERE. IF I SUPERIMPOSE ROUGHLY WHERE A HOME WOULD BE LOCATED AND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, THERE YOU GO. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT KIND OF LOCATION, THAT KIND OF VIEW, LOOK UP NORTH FROM THE COURSE SO RESIDENTS WHO ARE FURTHER TO THE SOUTH HERE, THEY WILL HAVE -- THERE WILL BE A HOUSE THERE. YOU KNOW, HERE IS AN INTERESTING THING. IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, TAKE THE PHOTO IN YOUR STAFF REPORT OF THIS PARCEL AND TURN IT IN A NORTHERLY DIRECTION AND ORIENTED CORRECTLY, IT IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING BECAUSE IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THIS TRIANGLE YET THEIR SITE PLAN INCLUDES THIS TRIANGLE, SO THERE IS MORE LAND GOING TO THE SOUTH. YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING WITH THE PINK OUTLINE, THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IT MAY NOT COME DOWN AS FAR TO DR. GURU'S HOUSE BUT ACTUALLY, THEIR SITE PLAN IS SHOWING IT COMES MUCH FURTHER SOUTH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE 15TH HOLE, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE THE GREEN AND MOVE IT FURTHER UP AND PUT HOMES ON THE 15TH. GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, A ZOOMED IN VIEW, AND I GUESS I JUST SHORTENED -- BUT HERE'S THE THING AND I GUESS THIS WAS RAISED EARLIER. HOW MUCH LAND IS LEFT? IT'S INTERESTING. YOUR APPLICANT STILL OWNS -- THEY OWN MORE. IT POPS UP 135 ACRES SO IF YOU DON'T DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND TODAY AND YOU DON'T SAY WE RECOMMEND DENIAL, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DOESN'T DENY THIS, HOW MANY TIMES IS IT GOING TO COME BACK AND WHERE THEY SEEK A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE PUD TO ADD MORE LOTS, ESPECIALLY HUNDRED 35 ACRES. THEY DIDN'T TURN THIS OVER TO THE HOA. THEY DIDN'T TURN THIS OVER TO THE MASTER ASSOCIATION. THEY DIDN'T SETTLE THIS WITH THE GOLF COURSE. THEY HELD BACK. ONE THING ON A TECHNICAL NOTE, FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM. IN 1990 THEY RECORDED THE PLAT MAP BOOK 29, PAGE 31, THERE IS THAT NORTH PARCEL AND ON IT SAYS GOLF COURSE. MAP BOOK 29, PAGE 34, BIGGER PROBLEM. IT'S VERY CLEARLY A GOLF COURSE ON THE PLAT. I CAN TELL YOU THE PEOPLE I REPRESENT HERE TODAY ARE NOT LOOKING TO REPLANT THOSE. WHEN YOU HAVE RIGHTS THAT ARE GIVEN TO THEM , YOU SAY I'VE GOT A PLAT. I KNOW WHAT I'VE GOT, IT'S ON THE PLAT. I BUILT MY HOME IN 1993.

I KNOW WHAT I GOT. YOU CAN'T REPLANT IT AND CHANGE THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO AGREE TO THAT. I THINK THAT IS WHAT MANY PEOPLE YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO AND ARE NOT LAWFULLY ENTITLED TO ACCOMPLISH. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE SAME ML PARTNERSHIP THAT DID THIS PLAT I THINK THAT IS HERE TODAY, AND IN NUMEROUS MAP BOOKS, 17, 25 AND 29 AND FINALLY IF I COULD JUST HAVE A COUPLE MORE SECONDS , IT DOES NOT TAKE AN EXPERT TO COME IN

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>> YOU ALLUDED TO THIS BUT YOU DID NOT SPECIFICALLY STATE IT. DID YOU ALL HAVE ANY APPRAISALS DONE THAT WOULD INDICATE A LOSS OF VALUE OF THE HOMES BEHIND WHICH A NEW HOME

MIGHT BE BUILT? >> I GUESS I WOULD TALK ABOUT IT IN A CASE LAW STANDPOINT AND PUT MY LAWYER HAT ON FOR A MOMENT. FACT-BASED CITIZEN TESTIMONY CAN EQUAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME FROM AN EXPERT WHEN IT IS FACT-BASED. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT IF YOU TOOK A BULLDOZER AND KNOCKED THE PEAK COME DOWN, IT IS NEGATIVELY IMPACTING ITS PROPERTY VALUES SO THERE ARE WAYS WE CAN DRAW FROM THAT. IF YOU PUT A HOUSE FOR YOU NOW HAVE A GOLF COURSE VIEW AND YOU PUT A HOUSE THERE, THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY, YOU POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE A POOL, 10 FEET OF SETBACK WITH THE HOUSE COMING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION WITH 10 FEET OF SETBACK TO THEIR POOL. THAT IS 10 FEET AWAY. WE CAN DARN NEAR THROW EACH OTHER A BEER, BUT THAT IS WHAT THIS IS PROPOSING. YOU DON'T NEED AN EXPERT TO COME PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF TESTIMONY. WE MAKE IT BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, DR. HILSENBECK, WE ARE GETTING GOING, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE THIS IS NEW TO A LOT OF FOLKS. I WILL TELL YOU I THINK I HAVE FORTYSOMETHING CARDS AND OPPOSITION . IT HAS BEEN PRETTY STRONGLY OPPOSED. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF ACTIVITY. I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS HERE TODAY AND THIS HAS GOTTEN ON THE RADAR. OBVIOUSLY, TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE

HIRED MY LAW FIRM. >> EARLIER IN YOUR PRESENTATION, TOWARD THE BEGINNING WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BUFFERS AND THE SETBACKS, YOU MENTIONED FIVE YARDS, 10 YARDS INSTEAD OF FIVE FEET, 10 FEET , SO THOSE WERE JUST ERRORS IN WHAT YOU SAID?

>> ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU, MR. BURNETT. MR. WHITEHOUSE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO

COME FORWARD? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR, AGENCY MEMBERS. FOR THE RECORD, JAMES WHITEHOUSE, ST. JOHN'S LAW GROUP 104 [INDISCERNIBLE] I AM RECOGNIZED AS AN EXPERT IN LOCAL, COUNTY AND GOVERNMENT LAW. BEFORE I STATE SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS TO THIS AS YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT THE DESIGNATED REP FORM SHOWING ALL THE PEOPE SPECIFICALLY HERE ON BEHALF OF THE ELFORD FAMILY AT 304 ROYAL TERN ROAD SOUTH AND MR. ALFORD IS WITH US TODAY. THEY HAVE LIVED IN THIS AREA MANY YEARS, MORE SPECIFICALLY AT THE HOME ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED GOLF COURSE DEMOLITION SINCE 2017. YOU CAN SEE THEIR HOME HERE OUTLINED IN BLUE. ALYSSA AND MAURICE ALFORD BUT THIS HOME WITH THEIR THREE CHILDREN IN THIS LOVELY UPSCALE COMMUNITY LOCATED JUST ACROSS THIS GOLF NT AREA TO ENJOY THE SCENIC VIEWS, OPEN AREAS, THE SCHOOLING AND THIS GOLF COURSE THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR MANY YEARS IN THE MARSH LANDING COUNTRY CLUB COMMUNITY. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LOCATION OF THIS -- I NOTICED THERE WERE NOT ANY MAPS OF THE WHOLE AREA, BUT THIS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL, THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IS UP IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION OF MARSH LANDING COUNTRY CLUB, AS YOU ALL KNOW, OFF ROSCOE AND YOU CAN SEE FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOT IS RIGHT IN

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TWO MORE HOMES IN THIS AREA WILL EXACERBATE EXISTING ISSUES. FROM FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE, THIS CORNER CURRENTLY FLOODS. IN ANY SEVERE WEATHER EVENT THESE TWO NEW HOMESITES WOULD ADD TO THIS PROBLEM THEREFORE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE CONTRARY TO THE COUNTY'S STATED DESIRE FOR MORE SENSIBLE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. CONVERTING THE MARSH LANDING GOLF COURSE WILL ADD TO FLOODING PROBLEMS, REMOVE BUFFERING, DIMINISH OR ELIMINATE GOLF COURSE USE AND ALTER A PUD THAT HAS BEEN RELIED UPON FOR DECADES SO WHY SHOULD ADJACENT NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE SIGNIFICANT BUFFERS SUFFER THE DESTRUCTION OF A PLAN THAT WAS INSTITUTED AND MAINTAINED FOR OVER 3.5 DECADES TO REDO THE PLAN AND PLOW UNDER THE GOLF COURSE ON LAND NEVER INTENDED FOR HOMES? AGAIN I WANT TO MAKE A FEW REFERENCES TO OUR CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH I THINK ARE PARTICULARLY RELEVANT TO YOUR CONSIDERATION TODAY. 503 05 TALKS ABOUT CHANGES IN PUD SENATE TALKS ABOUT MAJOR MODIFICATIONS SHALL BE HANDLED IN THE SAME MANNER AS ANY REZONING COMING BEFORE YOU.

WITHIN 503 05 IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THESE SUBMITTALS. THE THREE MAIN THINGS REQUIRED A COPY OF THE ORIGINAL PUD DOCUMENTS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SEE IT IN YOUR PACKET, BUT I DID NOT HAVE IN MIND FROM THE APPLICATION. NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICATION DRAWING AND MAINTAINING THE PORTION TO THE DEGREE ADVISED BY THE ENTIRE PUD DISTRICT.

AGAIN, I DON'T SEE A MAP OF THE ENTIRE PUD DISTRICT IN THERE AND PARTICULARLY FINALLY SUCH OTHER INFORMATION CONCERNING ADJOINING LOTS OR OTHER INFORMATION CONCERNING THE LOT, ADJOINING LOTS ARE OTHER MATTERS THAT MAY BE ESSENTIAL FOR DETERMINING PROVISIONS OF THE DISTRICT ARE BEING OBSERVED. THERE WAS NOT MUCH MENTION OF OTHER LOTS JOINING THESE AT ALL. FINALLY IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, 1.11 TALKS ABOUT REZONINGS, CONSIDERING COMPATIBILITY. COMPATIBILITY REFERS TO THE SENSITIVITY OF PROPOSALS AND MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENTS . AN REZONING REQUEST MAY BE APPROVED ONLY UPON A DETERMINATION THAT THE APPLICATION EVIDENCE ESTABLISHED THAT ALL PROPOSED PERMITTED USES ARE COMPATIBLE AND CONFORMING LAND-USE IS LOCATED ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES. IN CONCLUSION THIS REQUESTED MODIFICATION OF THIS DECADES-OLD PUD CONTAINS PROPOSED CHANGES THAT WOULD MATERIALLY CHANGE THE COMMUNITY. HIS MAJOR CHANGES ARE INCONSISTENT AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, SO WE ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THESE REASONABLE, FACT-BASED CONCERNS AND RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THESE REQUESTED MAJOR CHANGES ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS ADJACENT AS WELL AS THE ELFORD FAMILY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU FROM DR. HILSENBECK.

>> JAMES, YOU STATED A FEW SLIDES BACK THAT IF THIS GOES FORWARD IT WOULD REMOVE BUFFERING. YOUR SECOND BULLET THERE SAID IT WILL REMOVE BUFFERING. YOUR COHORT STATED

THERE WAS NO BUFFERING. >> WHEN I SAY BUFFERING, THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE ALLUDED TO. THE REASON WHY QUOTE UNQUOTE THE TYPICAL BUFFERING IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WAS NOT REQUIRED IN THIS PUD IS BECAUSE THEY HAD THE OPEN SPACE AND

AMENITIES OF THIS GOLF COURSE AND RECREATIONAL FACILITY. >> SO YOU OBVIOUSLY LOOKED AT

THE ORIGINAL PUD LANGUAGE? >> YES, SIR. >> YOU SHOWED A SLIDE OF A BULLDOZER. I WAS NOT AWARE THERE WAS SUGAR CANE GROWING UP THERE.

>> YES, SIR. >> IS THAT TRUE? >> NO, NOT THAT I KNOW OF.

>> THANK YOU. WE WILL GO ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT . ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE

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ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS ON LAKESIDE CIRCLE. MY WIFE AND I ARE -- OBJECT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR SEVERAL REASONS, MANY THAT YOU HAVE HEARD. WE THINK THE WATER ISSUES WILL BE TROUBLESOME. IN ADDITION, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING FOR A HOME SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THERE WAS ONE PRIMARY CRITERIA THAT WE HAD AND THAT IS, WE WANTED TO BE ON A GOLF COURSE AND WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SEE A GOLF COURSE AND BE ON IT, NOT JUST SEE IT FROM AFAR, HAVE A LONG VIEW OF IT. WE LOOKED AT MANY HOMES IN MARSH LANDING, TPC, OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THE AREA AND WE THOUGHT WE HAD FOUND THE PERFECT HOME. OUR BACK YARD LOOKS RIGHT OUT ONTO THE 50, WHAT IS NOW THE SIXTH GREEN. WE CAN WATCH GOLFERS APPROACH THE GREEN, CUT OUT AND THAT MAKES US HAPPY. THE FIRST GENTLEMAN SAID THAT SOMEONE SOMEWHERE SAID THE VIEWS WERE GOING TO BE MAINTAINED AND WHAT WE WERE USED TO. MY VIEW WILL NOT BE A GOLF COURSE. IN ORDER TO CREATE THESE TWO LOTS, THEY HAVE TO MOVE THE GREEN BACK UP THE FAIRWAY IN ORDER TO CREATE THE SPACE TO MAKE THESE TWO BUILDING LOTS, SO NOW WHEN I AM LOOKING OUT, I'M NOT GOING TO SEE A GREEN ANYMORE. THE GREEN IS GOING TO BE DOWN THERE SOMEWHERE. I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING INTO THE BACKYARDS OF THESE TWO NEW HOMES, SO THAT IS BIG TO ME BECAUSE I THINK NEGATIVELY THAT WILL CERTAINLY NEGATIVELY AFFECT MY PROPERTY VALUES. I NO LONGER HAVE A GOLF COURSE VIEW LOT THAT WE HAD BOUGHT . WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOME. SO FOR THAT PURPOSE, AND I THINK BACK TO WHAT THE OTHER GENTLEMAN THAT WAS SPEAKING SAID, IF THIS AREA -- IF THIS AREA OF THE GOLF COURSE WOULD'VE MADE SENSE TO DEVELOP TWO GOLF COURSE SINGLE-FAMILY GOLF COURSE LOTS, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE WHEN THE GOLF COURSE -- WHEN THE COMMUNITY WAS DEVELOPED 30 YEARS AGO. IF IT WAS NOT DEVELOPED 30 YEARS AGO, GOLF COURSE LOTS ARE AT A PREMIUM WITHIN A COMMUNITY. IF THAT MADE SENSE THAN 30 YEARS AGO THEY WOULD'VE DONE IT. IF IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE THEN IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE NOW. WE'RE TRYING TO TURN SOMETHING -- LAND THAT DID NOT MAKE SENSE FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON THE GOLF COURSE AT THAT TIME, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THEM WORK NOW AND I JUST THINK IT IS A MISTAKE AND THAT'S WHY MY

WIFE AND I ARE OPPOSED TO THIS, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? IS A PICTURE ADJACENT TO MY PROPERTY WHERE THE TWO PROPOSED LOTS WILL BE. IF WE ZOOM IN, THERE IS MY MASTER BEDROOM WINDOW. ADJACENT TO THAT WINDOW IS AN OSPREY NEST.

AN ACTIVE OSPREY NEST. THIS WHOLE AREA FLOODS. WE ALL KNOW THAT. THIS IS A MAKESHIFT STORM RETENTION AREA AT THE MOMENT , THAT IS TAKING THE OVERFLOW OFF OF CABBAGE KEY .

ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THERE IS A ROAD IN FRONT OF THIS. IT IS TAKING THE RUNOFF FROM THE CABBAGE CREEK AREA THROUGH A GREAT ONTO THIS PROPERTY, AND THIS IS WHERE THE STORM WATER RETENTION AREA IS. AND THEY ARE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A BIG RETENTION POND IN BETWEEN THE TWO HOMES. I DO NOT SEE THIS AREA ACCEPTING TWO HOMES TO MAINTAIN THE STREETSCAPE , WHICH IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DO BUILD HOMES FOR A LIVING. I KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I DON'T SEE TWO HOMES GOING INTO THIS PROPERTY. FURTHERMORE, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY THE GREEN , BACK IT UP , SHORTEN THE BAR, RELOCATE THE GOLF PATH, RELOCATE THE BATHROOM TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THE

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AND THAT'S IT, THANK YOU. >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD. JUST LINE

UP ONE AFTER EACH OTHER. >> HELLO. ANDREA SARBEN, 120 OSPREY COVE LANE. I DO NOT LIVE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES BUT I BELIEVE I AM STILL IMPACTED BY ALL OF THIS, SO I LIVED IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD AND ONE OF THE THINGS FOR YOU MAKE GOOD MONEY IS IF YOU CAN SOMEHOW MODIFY LAND-USE, RIGHT, HAVE SOME IMPACT AND THEN CLEVERLY OMIT SOME CONTACTS AND INFORMATION. IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE THAT THE HOA [INDISCERNIBLE] SPECIFIC THINGS TO RAISE MONEY TO PAY BASICALLY THE GOLF CLUB , THE FUTURE GOLF CLUB OWNER TO IMPLEMENT RESTRICTIONS. THEY DID NOT VOTE ON THOSE SPECIFIC LOTS. IT'S ALSO TRUE SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE HOA MET WITH SOME RESIDENCE BUT NOT ALL, TO DISCUSS LOT LOCATION, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE LOT SHOWN RIGHT HERE WAS NEVER APPROACHED. AS YOU SEE ON THE VIEW, THERE ARE A LOT MORE LOTS AFFECTED . YOU MAY THINK THAT IS A LUXURY PROBLEM BUT IT'S A PROPERTY VALUE PROBLEM, RIGHT? THE COMPANY HERE OWNS ALSO TWO OTHER LOTS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY USE FOR THAT IS IN THE MARSH LANDING PROPERTY OWNS A LOT OF OTHERS. SINCE I'M NOT DIRECTLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MY GOLF COURSE IS NOT AFFECTED BUT WE HAVE SOME BIGGER STRIFE ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY WITH FLOODING AND SO ON AND YOU WILL KNOW WHEN YOU BUY YOUR HOME, REALTORS , YOU INTERACT WITH THEM, YOU FIND OUT SOMETHING IS WRONG, MAYBE YOU TAKE A LOSS ON SELLING THE PROPERTY SO PEOPLE BUY MARCH LANDS IN HOA. THEY DON'T BUY SPECIFIC LOCATIONS SO IT IMPACTS PROPERTY VALUES AND EVEN IF ONLY ONE PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY VALUE BECAUSE I'M HESITANT AND SO ON IT MEANS WIPING OUT OVER THOUSAND HOUSES, 10 HOUSES OF PROPERTY, ADDING FOUR HOUSES, ADDING FOUR HOUSES DOESN'T MAKE UP FOR THAT SO FISCALLY I DON'T SEE WHERE THE BENEFIT T IT ALL, NOT JUST LIKE NOT MY BACKGROUND TYPE OF PROBLEM AND GOING BACK TO THE LOOP, I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHO OWNS WHAT, CHESTER, EAST OAKS, BUT WHATEVER THOSE BIG IT IS -- ENTITIES ARE, THEY SPECIFICALLY DEVELOPED THE PROPERTY IN A SPECIFIC WAY AND AS THE COUNCIL SAID AT THE BEGINNING IT CHOSE TO MAKE LARGER LOTS. FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES, THEY SOLD THE HOMES FOR GOLF COURSE USE AND PROPERTY ARE -- PROFITED FOR THAT ONCE. NOT TAKING THAT AWAY, WHY SHOULD THEY PROFIT FROM THAT AGAIN? I THINK THE PRINCIPLE IS CALLED PROMISSORY ESTOPPEL. THEY SHOULD NOT BE

ALLOWED TO BENEFIT TWICE. >> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, MR.

DAVENPORT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND? >> ALL RIGHT, MR. DAVENPORT,

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MEMBERS VOTED AND THEY AGREED TO THE DEAL FOR HIS FOUR LOTS. I ALSO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT THE GOLF COURSE IS PRIVATELY OWNED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS OR REQUIREMENTS THAT IT ACTUALLY BE THERE. THIS DEAL MAKES THIS GOLF COURSE PERMIT SO IT WILL BENEFIT ALL OF MARSH LANDING HOMEOWNERS TO ACTUALLY HAVE THIS GOLF COURSE REMAIN BUT PART OF THE DEAL WAS THESE FOUR LOTS IN ORDER FOR THE REST OF THE GOLF COURSE TO REMAIN AS IT IS. SO, ALL THAT BEING SAID , FOR THE GREATER BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY , UNDERSTANDABLY A FEW MEMBERS ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE DEAL EVEN THOUGH THEY GET THE BENEFIT, THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE DEAL THAT THEY MADE.

I WANT TO REITERATE DRAINAGE, ON-SITE DRAINAGE THAT IS NOWHERE ELSE IN THIS COMMUNITY IS VERY UNCOMMON. WE AGREED TO ON SITE DRAINAGE SO THAT THESE LOTS WOULD NOT ADD TO THE PROBLEM THAT IS THERE. I WANT TO POINT OUT AS FAR AS BUFFERING COMPATIBILITY, IT'S HOUSES NEXT TO HOUSES. IT IS THE SAME THING THAT IS THERE. YOU HAVE BUFFERS WHEN YOU HAVE NONCOMPATIBLE USES. THIS IS A LARGE HOUSE NEXT TO A LARGE HOUSE. THEY ARE COMPATIBLE.

IT'S A SINGLE-FAMILY NEXT TO A GOLF COURSE. IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY.

IT'S CLEARLY COMPATIBLE. HOWEVER, THE ATTORNEYS WANT TO TRY TO QUEST THAT -- TWIST THAT LANGUAGE. IT'S COMMON SENSE. WE KNOW IT'S COMPATIBLE TO THAT EFFECT. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THINGS HE MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT MISLED ON AND I ACTUALLY CAN DO THIS ON AN OVERHEAD. SO, THE TWO CLIENTS THAT THE ATTORNEY STATED THAT THEY REPRESENTED, ONE IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE. THIS IS ACTUALLY A PLATTED LOT BETWEEN THAT HOUSE AND WHAT IS THE GOLF COURSE OR GOING TO BE THE TWO LOTS SO IF SOMEONE DID DUE DILIGENCE AND LOOKED INTO WHAT WERE THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE GOLF COURSE, THEY WOULD LEARN THAT NOT ONLY IS THE GOLF COURSE RESTRICTED TO BE A GOLF COURSE THEY WOULD ALSO REALIZE THERE WAS A PLOT LINE BETWEEN THEM AND THE OTHER LINE I BELIEVE IS DOWN HERE, WHICH WILL MAINTAIN IT IS ADJACENT TO THE GOLF COURSE. IT'S NOT THE PARCEL THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED HERE.

>> MR. DAVENPORT JUST POINTED OUT THAT HE SAID IT IS A PLATTED LOT IS NOT A PLATTED LOT FOR WHICH ONE COULD BUILD ON. IT IS COMMON SPACE OWNED BY THE ASSOCIATION. IT'S NOT

SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT ON. IT'S OPEN SPACE. >> THANK YOU, MR. BURNETT. CAN

WE LET HIM FINISH? >> AS FAR AS THE TRACT THAT IS PLATTED THERE , MARSH LANDING PARTNERSHIP, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPER OF THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, AS THEY PLOWED THESE, THEY RETAINED THE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO REPLY IT. THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT THAT THEY CAN COME BACK AND RETRACT A PLAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS PLATTED FOR. WITH THAT, I WILL

LET MR. STOKES MAKE HIS COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CHESTER STOKES. MY ADDRESS , 25 205, MARSH LANDING PARKWAY. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY, ALONG WITH THE FLETCHER'S, I WAS AN ORIGINAL DEVELOPER OF MARSH LANDING.

THE GOLF COURSE PORTION OF MARSH LANDING. I WAS INVOLVED ONLY IN THE GOLF COURSE COMMUNITY. AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAD A PRETTY TOUGH DEPRESSION IN 2009, STARTED IN 2009, SO THROUGH THAT DEPRESSION, PEOPLE HAVE INTENDED TO I GUESS GET RID OF THEIR TOYS FIRST WHEN THEY'RE STRUGGLING SO WE LOST I DON'T KNOW, 250 OR SO MEMBERS, AND THE CLUB STRUGGLED FINANCIALLY. I CAN HONESTLY SAY TODAY I HAVE NEVER TAKEN A PENNY OUT OF THIS GOLF CLUB, NOT ONE PENNY, NOT IN THE WAY OF A SALARY OR ANY KIND OF RETURN. I OWN 50% OF THE CLUB FROM DAY ONE AND SOMEWHERE, I BELIEVE AROUND 2005, I BOUGHT MY PARTNER AND I FOUND THE CLUB SINCE THAT TIME SINCE STARTING IN 2009 I STARTED HAVING TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN,

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BOTH GENTLEMEN MADE SOME INACCURATE STATEMENTS WHICH I WILL CLARIFY. ONE GENTLEMAN TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY I'M GOING TO MAKE. I'M NOT GOING TO PUT A PENNY IN MY POCKET THAT I HAD NOT HAD IN MY POCKET BEFORE FROM THIS TRANSACTION, SO THERE IS NO PROFIT TO BE MADE FOR ME BUT I WENT TO THE BOARD AND I SAID GUYS, WE GOT TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS ANYMORE AND I SAID YOU KNOW, THERE IS REALLY TWO CHOICES. WE SHUT THE DOORS AND I DEVELOP IT. THE FIRST THING THEY DID WAS HIRE AN ATTORNEY TO SEE WHAT MY RIGHTS WERE. THEIR ATTORNEY DETERMINED THAT I HAD THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE GOLF COURSE. WE WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR 2200 UNITS SO I SAID THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANT TO DO . I LOVE MARSH LANDING. IT IS MY BABY, AND I WANT US TO FIGURE OUT A WAY FOR IT TO CONTINUE. SO, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT. THEY FOUND A COMPANY THEY FELT GOOD ABOUT. AT THE TIME , WE HAD DONE A MAJOR RENOVATION OF THE CLUB . I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YEAR, SOMETIME AFTER I BOUGHT THE CLUB UP BY MYSELF AND WE DID A RENOVATION OF A LITTLE OVER $6 MILLION AT THAT TIME, WHICH WE BORROWED THE MONEY TO DO THAT OURSELVES. WE DID NOT ASK THE COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE AT ALL. THE COMMUNITY HAS NEVER BEEN ASKED TO PARTICIPATE. NO ASSESSMENTS, NO NOTHING. I HAVE ALWAYS KEPT THE CLUB GOING AND LIKE I SAY, I FUNDED UP UNTIL 2022, A LITTLE OVER $3 MILLION TO DO IT , SO I TOLD THE BOARD I SAID YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, MY RIGHTS ARE I CAN DEVELOP IT AND I SHOWED THEM AWAY OUT THAT WE COULD DO 112 TOWNHOUSES OR ABOUT 75 RADIAL LOTS AND I CAN PROBABLY MAKE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 35 AND $50 MILLION. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANTED TO DO. THIS IS NOT ABOUT MONEY. THIS IS ABOUT A PLACE I LOVE SO WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT AND [INDISCERNIBLE] CAME UP WITH WHAT THEY ARE WILLING TO PUT INTO THE DEAL. THEY TOOK IT TO THE HOMEOWNERS TO VOTE ON THE PLAN WE HAD COME UP WITH. MY PART WAS I WAS GOING TO WRITE ANOTHER CHECK FOR A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION TO PAY OFF 21 MEMBERS WHO WOULD PUT UP $100,000 AND WERE OWED $2.1 MILLION. I WROTE THAT CHECK SO WE COULD GO TO CLOSING AND THE IDEA WAS THESE FOUR LOTS, I COULD GET MY MONEY BACK AND DOING THAT SO THEY TOOK IT TO THE COMMUNITY FOR A VOTE. ABOUT 800 RESIDENTS RETURNED THEIR BALLOTS . 80% OF WHATEVER WOULD BE 800 -- BETWEEN EIGHT AND 900 PEOPLE RETURN THE BALLOTS.

92% OF THE COMMUNITY VOTED FOR THIS PROGRAM. THIS PLAN. AND NOW THAT IS 92% OPEN TO STEP UP TO THE BAT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO RETIRE 3 MILLION IN DEBT THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ARE GOING TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR THAT SO I THINK IT WAS A GREAT PLAN. I WILL NEVER FORGET I WAS HAVING LUNCH WITH SOME OF MY BUDDIES ONE DAY AND THEY WERE AT THE CLUB. THEY ARE ALL GOOD BUSINESSMEN AND THEY SAID YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO BE COMMITTED. YOU'VE MADE THE DUMBEST DECISION I'VE EVER SEEN. WHY WOULD YOU NOT JUST CLOSE THE CLUB AND DEVELOP IT AND YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A FIGHT. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT BUT IN OUR SOCIETY , AS FAR AS PROPERTY RIGHTS GO, THE LEGAL PROCESS TRUMPS THE POLITICAL PROCESS. THAT'S JUST A FACT OF LIFE. I KNEW IT WOULD BE A HARD FIGHT AND I KNEW IT WAS A FIGHT I WOULD EVENTUALLY WIN. THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANTED TO DO. IT WAS NOT ABOUT MONEY, IT WAS ABOUT A PLACE I LOVE SO WE CAME TO THE CLOSING. WE IDENTIFIED ACTUALLY, INITIALLY, THE LOTS IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION. GREG NEAL, WHO WAS PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD CAME TO ME AND CALLED ME UP ONE DAY AND SAID WOULD YOU MEET ME OUT HERE. I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING. THEY HAD PICKED A DIFFERENT LOCATION. ACTUALLY, I GOT RIGHT HERE ON THE NINTH OF AUGUST OF 2022, THIS WAS AN EMAIL TO THE RESIDENCE. THE ASSOCIATION WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN IDENTIFYING THESE LOTS TO

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DON'T HEAR VERY WELL SO IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS -- >> MR. MATOVINA.

>> THAT HOUSE PEAKS, I GUESS, THE PEAKS HOUSE, THE HOUSE THAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY FROM THE GOLF COURSE

THE MOST AFFECTED IS MR. OAKLEY. I MET WITH MR. OAKLEY. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION?

>> ANYWAY WE TALKED ABOUT WE HAD THE POND IN A DIFFERENT PLACE AND HE ASKED ME WOULD YOU MIND MOVING THIS POND HERE AND I AGREED TO IT. I HAVE A TEXT FROM HIM RECENTLY SAYING IS THE DEAL WE AGREED ON STILL IN EFFECT AND I SAID YES IT IS SO I THINK WE'VE DONE PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND SOME OF THESE PICTURES, THE VIEWS OF THESE HOUSES THAT ARE ORIENTED IF YOU REALLY GO OUT THERE AND LOOK, THEY ARE NOT ORIENTED THE WAY YOU ARE LED TO BELIEVE.

>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION YET. THE HOUSE BY THOSE TWO RETENTION PONDS LOOKS LIKE IT SITS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A GOLF FAIRWAY WITH THE DRIVEWAY

CAUGHT CROSSING THE FAIRWAY. >> THAT'S MR. OAKLEY. >> DOES MR. OAKLEY OWN THE REAL

ESTATE UNDER HIS DRIVEWAY? >> NO. HE BUILT IT ACROSS THE GOLF COURSE BUT MR. STOKES ALLOWED HIM TO DO THAT. HE WAS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO GO FARTHER NORTH AND THEN BACK OVER, SO

WE ALLOWED HIM TO MOVE THE DRIVEWAY ACROSS. >> DOES HE HAVE EASEMENT

RIGHTS? >> I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE GAVE HIM AN EASEMENT OR DEEDED IT TO

HIM. I'M NOT SURE. WE DID ONE OR THE OTHER. >> MR. PIERRE.

>> I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION. IF YOU DON'T GET TO BUILD THESE HOUSES, ARE YOU GOING TO

CLOSE THE GOLF COURSE? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? >> I DON'T ON THE GOLF COURSE

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ANYMORE. >> OKAY. HE MADE THE DECISION NOT TO CLOSE THE GOLF COURSE ON THE RELIANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SAID HE COULD DO THESE FOUR HOUSES.

>> I TOOK THIS GIANT LEAP OF FAITH. I'M SORT OF TAKEN ABACK WE HAD OPPOSITION. I'VE KNOWN A COMMUNITY TO ABOUT 92%. I WAS WILLING TO WRITE A CHECK TO GET THIS WHOLE THING TO CLOSING TO KEEP THE GOLF COURSE OPEN. AGAIN, I LOVE MARSH LANDING. I CREATED IT. I WANT TO SEE THE

GOLF COURSE FOREVER. >> DR. HILSENBECK. >> I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION I THINK MR. PIERRE WAS GETTING AT IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY. IF THIS ITEM WERE DENIED , IS THE GOLF COURSE STILL GOING TO BE MAINTAINED UNDER A PERPETUAL

EASEMENT OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

PART OF THE OVERALL DEAL IS EVERYBODY AGREED TO GIVE UP ALL THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS FOR EVER IN ORDER FOR THESE FOUR LOTS, THE THOUSAND WATT CAPACITY [INDISCERNIBLE] THAT'S DONE.

OVER AND DONE WITH. THAT WAS PART OF THE OVERALL PROPOSAL. >> OKAY, BUT IF THIS ITEM DOES

NOT GO THROUGH, THAT AGREEMENT IS STILL IN EFFECT? >> THE GOLF COURSE CAN NOW

NEVER BE ANYTHING BUT A GOLF COURSE. >> NO MATTER WHAT IS DECIDED

TODAY OR BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION? OKAY, THANK YOU. >> SIR, IF I MAY HELP ANSWER THAT QUESTION, JESSE MCINTYRE, 651 NORTH WILDERNESS TRAIL, PALM VALLEY. MR. STOKES ' LONGTIME GENERAL COUNSEL. I WAS THE KEY ATTORNEY WHO NEGOTIATED ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE MASTERS ASSOCIATION TO DOCUMENT AND PUT IN PLACE AND CLOSE ON THE DEAL THAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT . TO THE QUESTION YOU ASKED, IT'S REALLY A COMPLEX LEGAL ONE. IT IS OUR VERY STRONG LEGAL AND FAIRNESS OPINION THAT AGAIN, THE ENTIRE ARRANGEMENT CURRENTLY IN PLACE WAS CONDITIONED ON OUR ABILITY TO DEVELOP THESE FOUR LOTS. SO IF WE GET DENIED AND WE LOSE THAT RIGHT THEN WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE EXPLORING ALL OPTIONS TO RESCIND THAT TRANSACTION. AGAIN, THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE MATERIAL PART OF AND CONDITIONED ON A MAJOR CONDITION OF THE TRANSACTION. WE WOULD NOT HAVE DONE THE TRANSACTION WITHOUT THIS RIGHT AND THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT IN ORDER TO DO IT.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> MR. MATOVINA.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STEPH A QUESTION. I'M LOOKING AT THE WAY THIS PUD IS WRITTEN AND WE SEE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THIS PUD THAT REFERENCES THE EXISTING PUD DOCUMENT. SO, IT IS WRITTEN AS IF IT IS A BRAND-NEW PUD. SO, I HAVE PAUSED FOR CONCERN THAT THE FORM OF THIS DOCUMENT -- BASICALLY IT NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED AS A BRAND-NEW PUD AND NOT IN LIGHT OF THE EXISTING PUD, SO TYPICALLY WHEN WE GET A REVISION OR MODIFICATION TO A PUD, WE GET THE EXISTING PUD DOCUMENT WITH A STRIKETHROUGH AND CHANGES TO IT. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT IS WRITTEN AS A BRAND-NEW DOCUMENT WHICH PRESUMABLY MEANS ON A STANDALONE BASIS IT HAS TO QUALIFY FOR ITS OWN DENSITY , FOUR UNITS PER ACRE AND THAT IS HOW YOU GET TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE THOUSAND UNITS THAT WERE BUILT. TO BE ON A STANDALONE BASIS WITH REGARD TO RECREATION AND WITH REGARD TO ALL OTHER CRITERIA FOR A PUD, IT IS NOT RITTEN AS I CAN SEE IT AS PART OF THE EXISTING PUD. PERHAPS I'M WRONG THERE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE WAY I SEE IT WRITTEN, IT IS WRITTEN ON A STANDALONE BASIS. WHAT GIVES ME PAUSE FOR CONCERN AS YOU KNOW, WE CAN SEE WHAT THE CRITERIA ARE COMPARED TO THE DESIGN CRITERIA WRITTEN INTO THIS AS COMPARED TO THE DESIGN CRITERIA FOR THE EXISTING HOMES, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS OR HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED HERE. I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THE FORM OF THIS PUD AND WHETHER OR NOT WE, AS THE COUNTY, HAVE DONE ARE

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>> MR. TAYLOR. >> A GOOD ONE, AND THAT'S WHY AM PONDERING IT. NORMALLY WE WOULD GET THESE IN A RED LINE, SHOWING THE CHANGES , AND NOW THAT YOU ARE SAYING IT THAT WAY, I AM CONCERNED, JUST LIKE YOU ARE . CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU DID IT THE WAY YOU DID? I HAVE AN IDEA OF WHY AND THEN IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN AND MAYBE JUSTIFY IT.

>> GARY DAVENPORT AGAIN. I WOULD FIRST REMIND YOU THAT THIS PD IS 50 YEARS OLD. I DOUBT ANYBODY HAS A WORD DOCUMENT OR THAT SUCH A THING EXISTED 50 YEARS AGO. MULTIPLE MODIFICATION SO WHEN I CAME IN TO DO THIS MODIFICATION I DID IT EXACTLY AS THE LAST ONE WAS DONE, SO THE LAST MAJOR MODIFICATION THAT ADDED LOTS TO THE MARSH LANDING PUD WAS DONE EXACTLY THIS WAY. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE TWO SIDE BY SIDE TO COMPARE, IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT TRYING TO COMBINE AND TYPE 20 DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS. I MEAN, IT COULD BE DONE, I GUESS, BUT THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION DONE THIS

WAY. >> THE CLOSET WASN'T JUST HOW THEY WERE PREPARED, BUT HOW ARE THEY EVALUATED, SO THAT'S THE SECOND QUESTION. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HOW THEY WERE PREPARED. I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE MODIFIED ALL PUD'S IN THE PAST AND GAVE WHAT WAS A PDF TO SOMEBODY TO TYPE AND THEY TYPED IT UP AND REDLINED INSTRUCT THROUGH TO SEE WHAT WAS CHANGED. WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE EXISTING HOUSES HAVE A FIVE YARD SETBACK WERE SITTING APPEAR, WE DON'T HAVE A CLUE HOW THIS COMPARES, AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I AM REDEVELOPING A CLOSED GOLF COURSE IN THE PANHANDLE RIGHT NOW AND GOLF COURSES GET REDEVELOPED ALL THE TIME AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THIS, BUT I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE AN INTELLIGENT VOTE TODAY ON THIS ONE WHICH MEANS I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE VERY WELL ON IT AND I DON'T WANT TO VOTE IN A NEGATIVE FASHION, SO THAT IS THE WAY I STAND RIGHT NOW WITH THIS IS I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND? >> AGAIN, HOW IT WAS BEEN DONE THE LAST COUPLE TIMES IT'S BEEN ASKED IN THIS CONTAINS MORE INFORMATION, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THEN THE PUD 50 YEARS AGO. THAT PUD HAD VERY LITTLE INFORMATION. IF YOU PUT THIS ONE OVER THE OLD WHEN IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT NOW THAN IT WAS BACK THEN. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN BUT IF YOU REDLINED IT IT WOULD BE OVERRIDDEN BECAUSE THEY DON'T DO IT THE SAME WAY.

>> MR. DAVENPORT, CAN I TRY TO HELP? WHAT I WAS THINKING YOU WERE GOING TO TELL ME IS THAT IT IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS THE OLD ONE , PUT IN A NEW FORMAT AND ALL THE VALUES WERE THE SAME. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THOSE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU DID PROCESS WISE. I WAS THINKING YOU HAD JUST REFORMATTED AND THESE WERE ALL THE SAME VALUES AND NUMBERS FROM THE PREVIOUS.

>> IT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOVE. IT IS AGAIN THE NEW FORMAT AND SETBACKS AND STUFF I HAVE IN HERE WERE MODELED AFTER THE LAST PUD. IF IT HELPS, MR. MATOVINA, REGARDLESS WHAT THIS PUD SAYS, THE ENTIRE MARSH LANDING MASTER ASSOCIATION AND ALL THE SUB ASSOCIATIONS HAVE ARCHITECTURAL CRITERIA AND SETBACKS AND ALL OF THAT WITHIN THE RECORDED RESTRICTIONS.

THOSE NOW APPLY TO THE PROPERTY. THOSE RESTRICTIONS AND MARSH LANDING, INCLUDING ARCHITECTURAL, WERE ADDED TO THIS PROPERTY SO WE WILL GO BY THE SAME STANDARDS.

ARCHITECTURALLY, SETBACKS WILL GO BY THE SAME STANDARDS ALL OF MARSH LANDING DOES.

>> THE PROBLEM IS WE CAN'T COMPARE THAT. THAT IS THE ISSUE. WE CAN'T COMPARE WHAT

ARE YOU ARE PRESENTING NOW TO WHAT IS EXISTING. >> THE ARCHITECTURAL IS THE

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>> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THE SITE PLAN. DO YOU HAVE A BETTER SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS AN EASIER VIEW OF WHAT THAT POTENTIAL HOUSE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE ? THE TWO THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACK A VERY GRAINY. THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE FROM THE 80S. IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE, AND IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE WHAT THE HOUSE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE COMPARED TO WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO LOOK AT AND SEE? DO YOU HAVE A BETTER SITE PLAN?

>> THE ONE THAT WAS ON MY POWERPOINT? >> A BETTER ONE THAN THAT. MR. BURNETT DID A GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE VISUAL. DO YOU

HAVE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE IS MORE ACCURATE? >> DAVID TAYLOR, DUNN ASSOCIATES. THE ONLY SITE PLAN I HAVE IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WE PREPARED FOR THE MVP. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FAIRLY CLEAR IN YOUR PACKAGE. I APOLOGIZE IF YOUR COUNTY COPY IS NOT

ACCURATE. >> SO MR. BURNETT TOOK SOME LIBERTIES BY SUPERIMPOSING HOUSES HERE AND THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE SCALE WAS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SIZE OF HIS HOUSES WERE, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO PUT RETENTION ON THE LOTS, THESE LOTS STILL HAVE TO BE ENGINEERED. MR. TAYLOR ACTUALLY HAS TO COME IN AND ENGINEER A LOT, WHICH YOU KNOW, THAT WILL DETERMINE WHERE YOU CAN PUT A HOUSE, WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT, WHAT THE SLIPS ARE, SO IT IS STILL UNKNOWN BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO ENGINEERED UNTIL WE KNOW IT

CAN BE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. >> CORRECT, CORRECT. THERE ARE DIMENSIONS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN OF 216 FEET. AT THE HUNDRED 16 FEET WIDE. THE WETLANDS ARE NOT GOING TO BE IMPACTED BUT WE DO SHOW THE PONDS AND AGAIN, THESE ARE SOMEWHAT CONCEPTUAL. THE FINAL ENGINEERING OF THE HOUSE -- BECAUSE HOUSES CHANGE, IT COULD CHANGE SLIGHTLY.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE ARE

BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR EMOTION. >> MADAM CHAIR, I'M NOT SURE

BEVERLY WASN'T WANTING TO COME UP AND SAY SOMETHING. >> I APOLOGIZE. I JUST WANTED TO ADD -- I'M BEVERLY FRAZIER. DUE TO THE DATE ON THESE ORIGINAL ONES, OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BEFORE OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL MODIFICATIONS FOR THE PUD'S WITHIN THIS DRI, AND BECAUSE A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS USED PREVIOUSLY TO LAYOUT THOSE UNITS, THIS HAS BEEN AN ACCEPTED METHOD BASED ON OUR PUD LANGUAGE AND REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW PUD'S AND SO THE REZONING FROM A PUD TO A PUD, THIS IS BEEN AN ACCEPTABLE METHOD OF PROVIDING ALL THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WITHIN AN EXISTING PUD THAT DATES BACK THAT MUCH. I TRIED TO LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE UNITS THEY ARE SPEAKING OF AND THEY DO PROVIDE 20 FOOT SETBACKS IN LIEU OF THE 10 AND FIVE THAT IS BEING REFERENCED. DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ON THE LAST MAP WERE NOT AS LIBERAL , REQUIRED GREATER SETBACKS?

>> CORRECT. THE UNIT OFF KINGFISHER THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT, THOSE LOTS WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 20 FOOT SEPARATE SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINES, JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WAS REQUIRED FOR THOSE, BUT OUR PUD STANDARDS AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOW A SMALLER SETBACK , IF FOUND THAT IT'S AN ACCEPTABLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? >> I WILL PUT A MOTION ON THE BOARD AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. MAKE A MOTION FOR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF 2023 MARSH LANDING GOLF COURSE LOT SPACE ON THE FACT PROVIDED IN STAFF REPORT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SEEING NO SECOND, THE MOTION FAILS. ALL RIGHT, WHAT NEXT, MR. TAYLOR?

>> THE SECOND MOTION THAT IS RECOMMENDED IS DENIAL, SO YOU COULD RECOMMEND DENIAL.

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>> I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT COULD BE. MR. STOKES IS NOT A BUILDER. HE'S GOING TO SELL A LOT TO SOMEONE AND IF YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH MARSH LANDING, THEY ARE ALL NICE HOUSES, BUT THEY'LL HAVE QUITE A BIT OF DIFFERENCE, SO I REALLY CAN'T SHOW YOU WHAT A

HOUSE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. IT'S A CUSTOM HOME COMMUNITY. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE

LOCATION AND THE SIZE BASICALLY. >> ALL I COULD DO IS GIVE YOU A BOX. I CAN'T RESTRICT SOMEONE BY IN A HALF-MILLION DOLLAR LOT TO WHAT THEIR HOUSE IS GOING TO

LOOK LIKE. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS CORRECT ON WHAT IS GOING TO BE THERE BUT A BOX WOULD BE LOCATION, HEIGHT, SIZE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I MEAN YOU CRITICIZE WHAT HE SHOWED, SO CAN YOU DO SOMETHING BETTER THAT GIVES US A VISUAL THAT MAKES SEVERAL OF US UP HERE PERHAPS FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IN GOING FORWARD WITH THIS? AND, CAN YOU ALSO SPEAK TO WHY THIS WOULD NOT BE INCOMPATIBLE IN TERMS OF A STATEMENT AND COMP PLAN POLICY 8.1.1 3.11 THAT SAYS COMPATIBILITY REFERS TO THE SENSITIVITY OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS AND MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENTS. YOU COULD PERHAPS ADDRESS THAT. BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I JUST HAVE ONE STATEMENT. I WILL HAVE TO AGREE WITH SOMETHING MR. STOKES SET UP THERE, THAT IF THE GOLF COURSE WAS TO GO AWAY, PROPERTY VALUES THROUGHOUT MARSH LANDING WOULD LIKELY DROP BY 25% OR MORE. I KNOW FROM MY PAST WORK EXPERIENCE AND WHAT I DID PROFESSIONALLY, THAT LANDS THAT BACK UP TO A GREEN SPACE ADD A LOT OF VALUE TO THE PROPERTY OR HOME IN THE RANGE OF 25 TO 33%, SOMEWHERE IN THERE AND THERE IS A LOT OF LITERATURE OUT THERE ON THAT BUT IF THAT GOLF COURSE WENT AWAY, THERE WOULD BE A HUGE DROP IN VALUE. OF THE REAL ESTATE OUT THERE NOW. SO, PRESERVING THE GOLF COURSE, KEEPING THAT OPEN SPACE, THAT GREEN SPACE IS REALLY A GOOD THING, IN MY OPINION, BUT I AM REALLY ON THE FENCE ON THIS.

THIS IS TOUGH. I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY HARD AND WE HAVE HEARD TWO DIFFERENT SIDES AND IT IS COMPLICATED. IT IS A VERY TOUGH DECISION, I WILL HAVE TO SAY.

>> A COMMENT THAT MR. STOKES AND HIS ATTORNEY MADE WAS THAT IF THIS IS DENIED, THAT THEY WILL PROBABLY SEEK A LEGAL REMEDY, AND THE REASON THAT THOSE FOUR LOTS WERE PART OF

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IT DID SOUND LIKE THEY WOULD BE SEEKING A LEGAL REMEDY SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAD THOUGHT THAT . I LIKE TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. JUST A SUGGESTION.

>> I THINK MR. STOKES WOULD EXPLORE ALL OF HIS LEGAL REMEDIES BUT I THINK I CAN ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AS FAR AS COMPATIBILITY , AND HELP WITH THE ADJACENT ARCHITECTURE.

IT'S EASY. IT'S A PART OF THE SAME ASSOCIATION. IS GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL RESTRICTIONS AS EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND IT, SO IT'S BUILT-IN. IT'S REQUIRED TO BE COMPATIBLE BECAUSE IS SUBJECT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CRITERIA OF MARSH LANDING.

>> HOW ABOUT A PERSON WHO HAS HAD A HOME THERE FOR 30 YEARS AND HAS COME TO RELY ON THE

OPENING GREEN SPACE BEHIND THEM? >> IT'S THE SAME AS ANY VACANT LOT AND YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS. AT LEAST I'VE SEEN IT THE 29 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE.

THERE IS PROPERTY BEHIND YOU. WHETHER THE REALTOR TELLS YOU THAT'S PRESERVED FOREVER OR

NOT, LEGALLY IT WAS NOT, BUT IT IS NOW UNDER THIS AGREEMENT. >> UNDER THIS AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE MASTER ASSOCIATION REPRESENTING HOMEOWNERS.

>> THERE IS NO MORE DISCUSSION. WE BACK TO THE AGENCY. ARE YOU AMENABLE TO A CONTINUANCE?

>> CAN I HAVE A FEW MINUTES WITH MY CLIENT? I HAVE TO ASK THE CLIENT.

>> YOU ALREADY DID THAT, BUT YES.

>> CAN I GET A MOTION? >> MOVED TO CONTINUE. >> SECOND.

>> CPA -- WRONG ONE. EXCUSE ME. MOVED TO CONTINUE M AJ MOD 2023-03 MARSH LANDING GOLF COURSE. YOU WANT A SPECIFIC DATE? YOU WANT TWO WEEKS FROM NOW? TO A DATE AND TIME

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UNCERTAIN. >> STAFF IS SAYING APRIL. WHAT IS THE APRIL?

>> MOTION TO CONTINUE. DATE UNCERTAIN. WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? LET'S GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE VOTE FOR THE CONTINUANCE. AND THIS ITEM IS GOING TO BE CONTINUED UNTIL A DATE SET BY STAFF. APRIL 4TH. THANK YOU. NOW WE ARE ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AND NUMBER NINE. ANY AGENCY MEMBER

INGRAM BUT NEVER TALK TO HIM. >> I COMMUNICATED WITH TOM INGRAM. HE WANTED ME TO GO OUT AND MEET WITH THE DOMINION VP NEAR THE SITE AND DISCUSS IT , BUT I ENDED UP NOT BEING ABLE TO GO TO THE SCHEDULED MEETING BUT ANYWAY, WE DID COMMUNICATE.

>> MR. GREEN. >> YES, I MET WITH TOM AND THE DEVELOPER.

>> OKAY, MR. MATOVINA. >> I ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH TOM AND CONTESSA TO REVIEW THE

ENTIRE PROJECT FROM START TO FINISH. >> MR. PIERRE.

>> I ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH TOM AND CONTESTED TO REVIEW THE ITEM.

>> I HAD A MEETING WITH MR. INGRAM AND CONTESSA ARCHER THEN I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. INGRAM YESTERDAY AND A COUPLE OF BRIEF EMAILS FROM JOE MAC AND ARMY REGARDING

COMMUNITY MEETING. >> I ALSO MET WITH MR. INGRAM AND CONTESSA LAST WEEK AND WE

DISCUSSED THIS ITEM EARLY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. TOM INGRAM, 1617 JACKO BOULEVARD I'M HERE

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DOMINION IS THE DEVELOPER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. THEY'VE ALSO RECENTLY ACQUIRED THE ONLY AFFORDABLE MULTI- FAMILY FOR RENT DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF NORTH ST. JOHNS COUNTY KNOWN AS THE OAKS AT ST. JOHN, AND THAT IS OVER BY NICE HIGH SCHOOL AND SO THEY'VE RECENTLY BEEN WORKING TO REDEVELOP THAT AND PUTTING IN APPROXIMATELY $40,000 PER UNIT IN EXTENDING THE AFFORDABILITY. MATT, SO IT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR FAMILIES AND HOUSEHOLDS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS ABOUT, THIS IS ABOUT CREATING THE SECOND AFFORDABLE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN NORTH ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE ONLY ONE IN NORTH ST. JOHNS COUNTY. ALL UNITS WILL BE AFFORDABLE TO LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. THERE IS A BIG NEED AND WITH THAT, I WILL LET CONTESSA TAKE OVER AND IF YOU HAVE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, WE WILL TRANSITIONING ]TRY TO ANSWER THEM. WE HAVE A FULL TEAM HERE.

HOUSING DEVELOPER. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT PROSPECT. BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO A LONG-TERM PARTNERSHIP IN THE COMMUNITY IF THE DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED. WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR OVER 50 YEARS AND WE SPECIALIZE IN DEVELOPMENT AND LONG-TERM OWNERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING. AS YOU WILL HEAR, I'VE BEEN ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FOR ALMOST 2 YEARS AFTER IDENTIFYING THE GROWING REGION WITH MAJOR HOUSING NEED. THE SITE WE ARE DISCUSSING IS IN DISTRICT NUMBER 2 OF THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROAD 16 AND COUNTY ROAD 16 A AS YOU SEE ON THE MAP. WE ARE PROPOSING 288 UNITS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING, COMPRISED OF IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, THIS MEANS THE HOUSEHOLD WILL BE MAKING BETWEEN $40,000-$60,000 PER YEAR , DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE HOUSEHOLD AND WHEN IT IS PLACED IN SERVICE. THE SITE IS 19.22 ACRES AND WE ARE PROPOSING 15 UNITS PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE WITH THE MAIN ACCESS ON COUNTY ROAD 16 AND EMERGENCY ACCESS ON STATE ROAD 16. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT AND FUTURE LAND USE FOR THE SITE WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONED OPEN AGRICULTURE. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL BE SURROUNDED BY SIMILAR ZONING AND APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONAL USE WHICH IS COMPRISED OF A NEWLY BUILT YARD LARGE FACILITY, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SITE AND ANOTHER VACANT PARCEL THAT HAS NO DEVELOPMENT ON IT. IN ADDITION IS THE SILVERLEAF DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS PRIMARILY MIXED-USE IN ADDITION TO THE COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH. AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, I HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN BRINGING A DEVELOPMENT FOR A LONG TIME WITH INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND COMMISSIONERS DATING BACK TO NOVEMBER 2022. AFTER HEARING MORE ABOUT THE WORKFORCE NEEDS I WORKED WITH BROKERS TO FIND A SITE THAT IS SUITABLE AND NEAR WORKFORCE OPPORTUNITIES, DEVELOPABLE LAND AND AMPLE INFRASTRUCTURE IN AREAS OF HIGH OPPORTUNITY. THE TEAM EMBARKED ON INITIAL COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND SPENT FIVE MONTHS REACHING OUT TO LEADERSHIP , STAKEHOLDERS, BUSINESS AND FAITH COMMUNITIES AND HEALTHCARE, SCHOOLS AND LOCAL NEIGHBORS. THE FEEDBACK WAS PASSIONATE . I'M EXCITED TO SHARE THAT IN ADDITION TO THE SUPPORT FROM INDIVIDUAL HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS, TEACHERS AND RETAIL WORKERS, WE HAVE 50 SIGNED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES STRUGGLING TO KEEP THE WORKFORCE DUE TO THE LACK OF HOUSING OPTIONS. TO THIS DATE

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I'VE WORKED WITH STAKEHOLDERS TO CONSTRUCT BENEFIT AGREEMENT ALL PRIOR TO COMING TO THE MEETING TODAY. TO GET INTO THE CRACKS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, I WANT TO TELL YOU WHY WE PICKED THE SITE. MY TEAM CONDUCTED A -- OF HOUSEHOLDS AND INCOME LIMITS OF THE FIVE SURROUNDINGS IT CODES TO DETERMINE HOW COUNTY RESIDENTS ARE CURRENTLY QUALIFIED TO LIVE IN WORKFORCE HOUSING PROPERTIES. LIKELY PAYING MORE THAN THEY CAN AFFORD IN RENT. BASED ON DATA, WE SEE ALMOST 6000 HOUSEHOLDS IN THE SURROUNDINGS IT CODES QUALIFY FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING BASED ON HOUSEHOLD INCOME. TAKING A CLOSER LOOK WHICH IS IMPORTANT WHEN YOU LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT ON A MICRO SCALE WITHIN THE SMALLEST FORM OF CENSUS MEASUREMENT. THE PUBLIC USE MICRO DATA AREA TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ROUGHLY 100,000 HOUSEHOLDS BASED ON THE ADDRESS. ROUGHLY 66% OF THE INCOME QUALIFIED HOUSEHOLDS ARE PAYING MORE THAN THEY CAN AFFORD IN RENT. MOST OCCUPYING TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS WHICH THEY CANNOT AFFORD BASED ON THE REPORTED INCOME. WE ONLY MANAGE ROUGHLY 230 PROPERTIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND 24 IN FLORIDA. WE RECENTLY TOOK OVER OWNERSHIP ON THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROPERTY -- IN ST. JOHN'S. WE ARE NOW BEGINNING A $6.5 MILLION REHABILITATION AND EXTENDING THE AFFORDABILITY ANOTHER 30 YEARS. ROUGHLY 100,000 RESIDENTS TELLS US, MOST WORK IN AREAS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HEALTHCARE, EDUCATION AND GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION. ANOTHER THING IS THE NEARBY WORKFORCE NEEDS IN THE COUNTY IN THE DISTRICT AND LOCAL HEALTHCARE ENTITIES AND CURRENT AND FUTURE COMMERCE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER AND SILVERLEAF DEVELOPMENT. AS AN EXAMPLE, THE NEARBY COMMERCE CENTER HAS AN ABUNDANT NEED FOR LOCAL WORKFORCE AND EDUCATION SPECIALISTS. MOST OF WHOM WOULD QUALIFY TO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. IN ADDITION, SILVERLEAF IS BRINGING MANY JOBS , WITH NEARLY 3 MILLION MIXED-USE AND COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT IS APPROVED . IT WAS JUST ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK , THAT A NEWLY UNVEILED PUBLICS DISTRIBUTION CENTER WILL HAVE AMPLE NEEDS ALL LOOKING FOR ATTAINABLE HOUSING OPTIONS. TO PUT THE ROOF TO DATA, NEXT SLIDESHOW INFORMATION FROM CURRENT JOB OPENINGS FOR A VARIETY OF NEARBY BUSINESSES, HEALTHCARE, GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS , OUTLINING THE OPEN JOBS THAT RESIDENTS WILL FILL. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE CURRENT PLAN, THE SITE IS PROPOSED TO HAVE ACCESS OF 16 A WITH EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY OFF OF STATE ROAD 16. THE PROPOSED USE WILL ADDRESS THE NEED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. THE MAJORITY OF SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL OR MIXED-USE DISTRICTS. THIS IS A LOGICAL EXPANSION OF THE PRIMARY DEVELOPMENT AREA. THE PROPOSED SITE IS IN AN ENCLAVE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA . IN ADDITION, OUR SITE WILL HAVE A FULL CLUBHOUSE WITH THE CLUB ROOM, FITNESS AMENITIES AND CHILDCARE AMENITIES WITH A POOL , POOL DECK, OUTDOOR GRILLING AND PLAYGROUNDS. THE PARKING RATIO IS 2.16 PER UNIT, INCLUDING 72 GUEST SPACES AND THE PERIMETER DEVELOPMENT BUFFER INCLUDES 75 FEET OFF OF THE STREET FRONTAGE AND AT MOST 80 FEET FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS. THIS IS A CLOSE REVIEW INTO THE SITE PLAN. WE CAN DEFINITELY COME BACK TO THIS DURING QUESTIONS. THE OVER 80 FOOT SETBACK I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS ON PLAN LAST. I CAN'T SEE THE BUILDING NUMBERS UNFORTUNATELY. IT INCLUDES THE SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY INCLUDING 80 FEET. THANK YOU TOM.

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>> BECAUSE THEY ARE A LONG-TERM OWNER AND MANAGER WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON LUXURY HOMES AT AN ATTAINABLE PRICE. VIEWS HARDIE SIDING AND DURABLE CABINETRY, EQUIP EACH UNIT WITH FULL APPLIANCE PACKAGES AND HAVE HIGHLY A MINUTE THAISS SPACES AS THESE PICTURES DISPLAY OF THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY FOR PRESERVING WORD CREEK IN ADDITION TO THE UPCOMING PHOTOS THAT WILL REPRESENT THE EXISTING PRODUCT. THE WETLAND ENTRY IMPACT IS IMPORTANT. NO TREE REMOVAL NECESSARY AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, IN ADDITION THE PLAN INCLUDES 80+ TREES THAT ARE CONCURRENT WITH REQUIREMENTS AND INCLUDES THE ENHANCED LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE NORTHWEST EDGE THAT BORDERS THE CURRENT HOMES. AN OVERVIEW OF THE IMPACT FEES THAT WERE INCLUDED , THE DEVELOPMENT WILL GENERATE . WE ARE AWARE THE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE AN IMPACT . WE BELIEVE WE WILL NEED TO PAY OUR FAIR SHARE BUT IS REFLECTED IN THE HIGH IMPACT FEES OF 6.5 MILLION THAT THEY WILL GENERATE AT THIS TIME. AFTER WE DETERMINED THE COMMUNITY WAS APPROPRIATE AND VIABLE FOR THE SITE , WE IMMEDIATELY BEGAN FIVE MONTHS OF OUTREACH TO POTENTIAL STAKEHOLDERS. WE HEARD A MIX OF FEEDBACK AND ULTIMATELY HIGHLIGHTED THREE KEY AREAS . LACK OF TRAFFIC INFRASTRUCTURE, LACK OF SCHOOL CAPACITY AND A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS GROWING WITHIN THE COUNTY AS THE WORKFORCE IS GROWING. IN THE FIRST MEETING, IT WAS CLEAR THAT TRAFFIC WAS THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN. WE TOOK THIS CONCERN INCREDIBLY SERIOUSLY. DURING PEAK HOURS, SPECIFICALLY DURING SCHOOL PICKUP AND DROP OFF. FOLLOWING THE FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND DID RESEARCH WITH THE COUNTY TO THE BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW TRAFFIC MAY CHANGE THE AREA IN THE FUTURE. AFTER DUE DILIGENCE RESEARCH, IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THE STATE AND COUNTY HAVE A NUMBER OF IMPORTANT TRAFFIC INFRASTRUCTURE SOLUTIONS COMING TO THE AREA IN FIVE YEARS. THE CURRENT SOLUTIONS WILL DRASTICALLY CHANGE TRAFFIC FLOW IN THIS AREA. THE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE THE EXPANSION OF THE EXPRESSWAY, COUNTY ROAD 2209 EXTENSION, THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT , THE WIDENING OF STATE ROAD 16 AND THE WIDENING OF I-95 . EACH OF THESE PROJECTED SOLUTIONS ARE EITHER CONSTRUCTION , HIGHLIGHTING THE COUNTY COMMITMENT TO UPDATING THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE AREA TO CATCH UP WITH POPULATION GROWTH WHICH IS OUTLINED IN THE STAFFORD COURT. WHILE THE SOLUTIONS ARE IN THE WORKS, NEIGHBORS WE MET WITH MADE IT CLEAR THAT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE AREA CANNOT WAIT. WE NEEDED TO FIND A WAY TO HELP. AFTER MUCH DELIBERATION WITH ENGINEERS, COUNTY AND CONVERSATIONS , WE ARE PROPOSING AN IMMEDIATE SOLUTION THAT WE CAN CONTROL IF THE DEAL MOVES FRWARD. THE SOLUTION INCLUDES , THE WIDENING INTERSECTION OF 16 AND 16 A, GUARANTEEING THAT THIS IMPROVEMENT IS DONE BEFORE THE FIRST RESIDENT MOVES IN. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS CONVERTING THE STRIPING ON SILVERLEAF PARKWAY TO ALLOW FOR DUAL SOUTHBOUND LANES AND CONVERT STRIPING FROM THE WESTBOUND LEFT TURN MOVEMENT OFF OF 16 A OR STATE ROAD 16 TO ACCOMMODATE TWO ADDITIONAL LEFT TURN LANES. THE WIDENING TO ACCOMMODATE THIS CHANGE ALREADY EXISTS. THE STREETS WILL NEED TO BE REPAVED AND RESTRAINT. WHEN WE ADD THE TURN LANES, WE ARE REQUIRED TO ADD A RECEIVING LAY NEAR THE PROPERTY AND TO THE PROPERTY LINE. WE ARE

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THERE IS ALREADY ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL CAPACITY AVAILABLE AS INDICATED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE DETERMINATION LETTER. SPECIFICALLY, SCHOOL QUEUE QUEUE IS EXPECTED TO BE OPEN IN AUGUST 2026 AND IS 1.3 MILES FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN SILVERLEAF DEVELOPMENT . THERE IS AN ESTIMATED NEED FOR ADDITIONAL CAPACITY AND THE CONCURRENCY DETERMINATION LETTER. TO COMBAT BACK, THE DISTRICT INDICATED THEY WILL BUILD A HIGH SCHOOL IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND THE SITE THAT IS ROUGHLY 1.3 MILES FROM US ON COUNTY ROAD 16 A THAT WAS DONATED BY SILVERLEAF. THE INDICATION WAS PART OF THE INDICATION MADE IN THE JOINT COMMISSION LATE LAST YEAR. WHILE OVERCROWDING 'S CAPACITY CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, ANOTHER MAJOR ISSUE WAS TEACHER TO STUDENT RATIO AND CLASS SIZE. TO THAT END WE MET WITH THE DISTRICT TO UNDERSTAND THE MAJOR BARRIERS TO SMALL CLASS SIZES. WE ARE NOT SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT THE DISTRICT STRUGGLES TO FIND ADEQUATE STAFF , DUE TO THE LACK OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY FOR EDUCATORS, ADMINISTRATORS AND SUPPORT STAFF. IN FACT, AS THE LARGEST EMPLOYER, APPROXIMATELY 50% OF DISTRICT TEACHERS HAVE 0 TO 5 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND EARN SALARIES OF $49,000-$52,000 PER YEAR. THE DISTRICT SUPPORT STAFF MAKES UP THE OTHER 40%. THEY EARNED APPROXIMATELY $15-$18 PER HOUR.

TO TRY AND SOLVE THE ISSUE AND ADDRESS THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HEARD ABOUT IN THE OVER 50 BUSINESSES, WE ARE PROPOSING AN EMPLOYER PREFERENCE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT . WHILE ADHERING TO ALL FAIR HOUSING LAWS, WE ARE EAGER TO OFFER A PREFERENCE TO EMPLOYEES OF THE COUNTY, SCHOOL DISTRICT WHICH IS THE LARGEST IN THE COUNTY AND U.S. HEALTH. THE BENEFITS AGREEMENT IS UNDER REVIEW BY THE ORGANIZATIONS. THE ADDITIONAL SOLUTION WILL KEEP CLASS SIZES SMALL AND THE WORKFORCE REMAINING IN THE COUNTY. THE FINAL AREA OF FEEDBACK WHICH IS HIGHLY IMPORTANT WAS LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE MODEL FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING DIFFERS , ESPECIALLY DEVELOPERS WHO ENCOUNTERED BECAUSE THE BUSINESS FOCUSES ON LONG-TERM AFFORDABILITY AND MANAGEMENT OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY WILL BE DEED RESTRICTED TO BE RENT AND INCOME RESTRICT TO FOR 30 YEARS. IT IS IMPORTANT TO DEFINE WHAT THAT MEANS. IT MEANS OUR RESIDENTS PAY FOR RENT BASED OFF OF THE INCOME THAT THEY EARNED. THE PROPERTY WILL BE 100% AFFORDABLE WHICH REPRESENTS 60% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME. IF WE WERE TO BUILD THIS TODAY, RENT WOULD RANGE BETWEEN $1100 UP TO $1500 AFTER UTILITIES ARE PAID. WHAT DOES AFFORDABLE HOUSING COST MEAN FOR THE COMMUNITY? ONE WAY TO MEASURE THE IMPACT IS RESIDENT RENTAL SAVINGS WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT FOR A COMMUNITY LIKE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. BECAUSE FUTURE RESIDENTS ARE LIKELY PAYING MORE THAN THEY CAN AFFORD RIGHT NOW, THE HOUSEHOL IS LEFT WITH NOTHING INDISCRETION INCOME.

WITH THE CALCULATED RENT SAVINGS FOR FUTURE RESIDENTS, THE COUNTY COULD SEE A PROJECTED 3.1 IN ANNUAL ECONOMIC STIMULUS TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY. IN ADDITION TO SPENDING REVENUE GENERATED FROM SAVINGS , THE PROPERTY WILL ALSO GENERATE 500 FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT JOBS, 3.1 MILLION ANNUALLY AND RENTAL SAVINGS . THE PROPERTY WILL PAY

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ADDITIONALLY, THE PROMISE TO WIDEN THE INTERSECTION OF 16 A AND STATE ROAD 16 WOULD BE STIPULATED TO BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE FIRST RESIDENTS MOVING IN, GIVING EXTRA PEACE OF MIND TO NEARBY NEIGHBORS THAT ARE CURRENTLY STRUGGLING AT THE INTERSECTION. THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO THE ZONING APPLICATION SHOULD BE INCLUDED FOR THE RECORD BASED ON AFFORDABILITY, COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT AND THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS WHICH ARE CONTINUING TO BE REVIEWED BY D.O.T. TO THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROAD 16 AND 16 A. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE COMMUNITY TO YOU TONIGHT.

THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION, YOU HAVE SEEN WHY THE COMMUNITY WILL FILL A NEED AT THE COUNTY WHICH HAS A LACK OF HOUSING. YOU HAVE SEEN HOW THE COMMUNITY WILL LOOK AND BE DESIGNED TO FIT WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN AESTHETIC OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND YOU HAVE HEARD THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED AND LISTENED TO SOLUTIONS THOUGHTFULLY PROPOSED TO TRY AND SOLVE ISSUES WITHIN OUR CONTROL . I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION. IT HAS BEEN A LONG DAY. I HUMBLY ASK FOR SUPPORT SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MUCH-NEEDED WORKFORCE HOUSING. I HAVE AN ENTIRE TEAM OF FOLKS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO ARCHITECTURE, CIVIL PLANS, DRAINAGE AND TOM IS HERE TO USE AND I AM THE AFFORDABLE

HOUSING EXPERT. WE HAVE AN ENTIRE TEAM THAT CAN ANSWER. >>> REALLY BRIEF, I EMAILED EACH OF YOU EITHER AT YOUR PERSONAL ADDRESS AND YOUR -- EMAIL ADDRESS. I TRIED TO SEND TO BOTH. IT IS THE LETTERS REFERENCED INCLUDING LETTERS FROM THE UNITED WAY OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY AS WELL AS THE FLORIDA RESTAURANT AND LODGING ASSOCIATIONS OF NORTHEAST FLORIDA AS WELL AS NUMEROUS SMALL BUSINESSES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. ON THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT, I THINK THIS WAS COVERED. THIS IS PART OF A LONGER DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT TYPE OF INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND THEY HAVE A WHOLE PROCESS. WE ARE ALSO WORKING THROUGH THE SHARE AGREEMENT. WE WOULD PAY A PROPORTION OF CONTRIBUTION EITHER IN THE FORM OF CASH OR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ARE BOTH. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS MAKING THIS IMPROVEMENT AND WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE ARE COMMITTED IF WE CAN AGREE AS TO WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE AND THEY WOULD BE COMPLETED BEFORE THE FIRST RESIDENT COMES IN. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THE COUNTY AND D.O.T. ARE BUILDING SO MANY ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE MODEL WE ARE USING TO EVALUATE THE IMPACT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT HASN'T CAUGHT UP TO THE ROADS. IF YOU DRIVE UP 16 A, YOU WILL SEE ALL THE LAND CLEARED FOR THE EXPRESSWAY. THAT WILL CONNECT I-95 ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE RIVER UP THROUGH THE COUNTY AND INTO I-10. THAT IS PROJECTED TO BE DONE IN 2030 OR 2031. THAT ROAD ISN'T COUNTED IN THE MODEL. THE EXTENSION OF COUNTY ROAD 2209 , SILVER LAKE , THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION GOING FROM SILVER LAKE AND DOWN TO STATE ROAD 16. THAT WOULD PROVIDE RELIEF TO THIS

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> WHAT IS THE TYPICAL NUMBER OF CARS FOR RESIDENTS? IS IT

LOWER THAN NORMAL? >> IT IS LOWER. WE KEEP CLOSE TRACK OF DATA THROUGHOUT THE PORTFOLIO. WE HOUSE UNDER 100,000 RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. ON AVERAGE HOUSEHOLDS HAVE ABOUT ONE CAR PER HOUSEHOLD AND THEY ARE ALSO RESTRICTED TO TO CARS . THIS PROJECT IS NOT ASKING FOR ANY TYPE OF VARIANCE. FEAR ADHERING TO THE REQUIREMENTS

BASED ON UNIT SIZE. THAT IS OUR EXPERIENCE . >> AS REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD, I AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ATTAINABLE HOUSING FOR THE AREA. I SHARE THE CONCERNS WITH MANY REGARDING TRAFFIC. COUPLE OF THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT , HE MENTIONED DAY CARE. I DID NOT SEE THAT CALCULATED INTO EMPLOYMENT STATISTICS.

THAT IS A BIG BENEFIT TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. IS THAT PLANNED OR IS THERE A LOCATION

FOR DAY CARE? >> THAT ARE DAY CARE FACILITIES THAT ARE MORE FOR THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHEN ADULTS ARE USING THE CLUBHOUSE. THERE IS KID SPACE. OFTEN DAYCARE

WORKERS WILL QUALIFY TO LIVE HERE BASED ON INCOME. >> I KNOW DAYCARE IS A PROBLEM.

WE TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL AND ALREADY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN A DIFFERENT PROJECT CAME FORWARD, THEY WERE NOT MEETING SCHOOL CONCURRENCY. I DO UNDERSTAND THERE WERE ALREADY SCHOOLS ONLINE. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHO WOULD BE BUILDING THAT HIGH SCHOOL?

>> THE HIGH SCHOOL WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE PRESENTATION TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSONERS. I BELIEVE HE ESTIMATED AROUND THE 27 TIMEFRAME. IT HAS NOT MADE IT INTO THE FORMAL REPORT. THEY EXPECTED TO BUILD ANOTHER SCHOOL. THEY DID NOT SPECIFY WHERE THAT WOULD BE HOWEVER WE ARE AWARE THERE IS A 100 ACRE SITE FOR A HIGH SCHOOL THAT IS 1.2 OR 1.3 MILES TO THE NORTHWEST. WE ARE PULLING FOR ABOUT ONE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A NEW SCHOOL CLOSE TO YOU, THE COUNTY DOES ROUTINELY ADJUST ZONING BOUNDARIES TO TAKE NEW SCHOOLS INTO ACCOUNT. WHEN SCHOOL QUEUE QUEUE OPENS WHICH IS JUST UP SILVER LAKE PARKWAY PER THEY WILL CREATE HIS OWN. I SUSPECT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD GO THERE RATHER THAN DOWN

TO MILLCREEK ECONOMY. >> I NEED TO ADJUST, I DID HAVE AN EMAIL FROM NICOLE -- AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, ON THE TRAFFIC , I GUESS I CAN AFT

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THAT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I TRY MY BEST. >> I DO FOR MY QUESTION UNTIL

AFTER THE PUBLIC SPEAKS. >> WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. IF ANYONE IS HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 8 OR 9, PLEASE COME UP, SINGLE FILE.

>> WE CANNOT HEAR THE SPEAKER IF YOU IN THE BACK ARE TALKING. PLEASE BE QUIET.

>> CHUCK LABANOWSKI. I THINK IT IS GREAT THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS COMING TO THE COUNTY. THERE WERE TWO MEETINGS. 126 ATTENDED. THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY, 100 PEOPLE ATTENDED. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COMPATIBILITY. EVERYBODY KEEPS TALKING ABOUT THE ROADS. HERE IS THE SITE. IT IS DUMPING INTO 16. TRAFFIC IS CONSTANTLY BACK IT UP. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER GREAT SAVIOR OF THE HIGHWAY. WHERE DOES IT STOP ? 16 MINUS SAY.

NORTHWEST OF THE PROJECT. IT IS NOT GOING TO HELP IN THAT SECTION. THE NEXT SECTION OVER

295, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 2025 BEFORE THAT STARTS. >> IT IS A MAJOR ISSUE. THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT COMPATIBLE. AS I STATED, THE EXPRESSWAY WILL BE DUMPING IN AND THE TRAFFIC WILL GO THROUGH. YOU HAVE THE PARKWAY THAT WILL COME THROUGH. IT WILL ALL DUMP INTO 16. THERE ARE 359 APARTMENTS OPENING NOW. WHERE ARE THEY GOING? THERE IS A WAREHOUSE PROJECT BEING BUILT. 200+ APARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. THE DRIVEWAY IS JUST NOW BEING PUT IN. WHERE IS THE TRAFFIC GOING? 16 HAS BEEN WORKED ON SINCE 2005. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I TALKED ABOUT. GUESS WHAT ? THERE IS 16. THAT IS THE IMPROVEMENT.

THIS IS DAY IN AND DAY OUT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS. THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT GOING TO HELP. HERE IS THE OTHER ISSUE. ALL OF THESE. THERE ARE 600 STUDENTS ATTENDING , OVERCAPACITY. NOW THEY BROUGHT UP TO 100 ACRES THERE. YOU CAN COME UP TO THAT PODIUM.

YOU ALL CAN LINE UP AT ALL THREE AND JUST TAKE TURNS. >> YOU CAN COME UP THERE.

>> I AM KIMBERLY PAGAN. I ATTENDED BOTH OF THE DEVELOPER MEETINGS. AFTER THE FIRST

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THE THIRD AND FOURTH LINE. PROBABLY ABOUT 40 CARS HERE AND THEN IT FUNNELS THROUGH.

THIS IS A TYPICAL EVERYDAY AFTERNOON PICKUP. THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS LESS THAN HALF A MILE AWAY. IT IS 288 UNITS. THEY TALKED ABOUT ROAD WIDENING. IT ONLY GOES FROM THE INTERSECTION TO THE BACK ENTRANCE. INSTEAD OF BOTTLENECKING , THEY WOULD BE BOTTLENECKED FURTHER UP. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD SOLVE ANYTHING UNLESS THEY WOULD TAKE IT DOWN TO STATE ROAD 13. IT IS A SAFETY HAZARD. WHENEVER WE HAVE STORMS OR HURRICANES, IF WE WERE DRIVING ON THE OTHER SIDE, HEADING TOWARD -- IT IS ALL FLOODED. THE ONLY WAY OUT IS GOING TOWARD CIVIL BEEF. -- SILVERLEAF . THE SAINT JOHNS IS EXPRESSWAY AND THE NEW SPORTS COMPLEX WILL BOTH BE A HALF A MILE NORTH. IT IS MORE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. I WILL SUBMIT ALL OF THIS STUFF. THIS IS ALL OF THE PETITION NOTES.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE BODY ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT IF APPROVED, WILL CAUSE ECONOMIC HARM TO THE IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY. MY WIFE AND I ARE RETIREES WHO LIVE LESS THAN ONE MILE FROM THIS PROPOSED PROJECT. UPON RETIREMENT FROM FEDERAL SERVICE, WE CHOSE STATE AUGUSTINE WHERE WE LIVE BECAUSE OF AFFORDABILITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE. LET ME BE BLUNT, THIS PROPOSED GOVERNMENT-SUBSIDIZED HOUSING PROJECT , THREATENS OUR ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL WELL-BEING AND SECURITY. YOU HAVE AND YOU WILL HEAR ARGUMENTS ON THE IMPACT OF A 288 MULTIFAMILY HOUSING PROJECT ON SCHOOLS, ROADWAYS AND PUBLIC SERVICE. INSTEAD, I WISH TO ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. THAT IS THIS IS A GOVERNMENT-SUBSIDIZE D LIVING ARRANGEMENT FOR LOW INCOME FAMILIES. WHILE THE TERM GOVERNMENT-SUBSIDIZED HOUSING IS BEING HIDDEN , THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS SPRINKLED WITH HONEY AND DECEIT. WHAT IS NOT BEING DISCLOSED IS WHO BEARS THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RENT CHARGED AT A REDUCED RATE AND THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF RENT BASED ON APARTMENT SIZE? THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WILL BE THE ENTITY PAYING THE DIFFERENCE THROUGH ONE OF THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. THIS IS THEREFORE A GOVERNMENT HOUSING PROJECT THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE

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PREJUDICE. THANK YOU. >> I ALREADY GAVE YOU A WARNING, PLEASE STOP. IF YOU DO IT AGAIN I'M GOING TO STOP THE HEARING AND WE WILL TAKE A BREAK.

>> LET ME START BY SAYING THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IS GOOD. LET'S STOP. THE ENVIRONMENT HAS BEEN DESTROYED FROM WHAT WAS ONCE A BEAUTIFUL AND RURAL AREA. THEY ARE STILL OVERCROWDED AND I AM SURE YOU ARE AWARE. THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOWHERE WHERE IT SHOULD BE TO ACCOMMODATE ANY OF THIS. HAS ANY COMMITTEE MEMBER ACTUALLY RESEARCHED THE DEVELOPER? ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE ARE LAWSUITS THROUGHOUT OTHER STATES ? IN ADDITION TO A POOR RATING FOR MAINTENANCE OF PROPERTIES. WE DON'T NEED A TRASHY DEVELOPMENT IN A HIGH-END AREA. HOME VALUES HAVE INCREASED TO OVER 500,000 TO ALMOST $8 MILLION. SINCE THE DEVELOPER ACCEPTS SECTION 8 VOUCHERS, HOW MANY APARTMENTS ARE BEING SLOTTED TO BE SECTION 8. CAN YOU GIVE A WRITTEN GUARANTEE THAT THE APARTMENTS WILL ONLY HOUSE TEACHERS, COPS AND FIREMEN AS PROPOSED. OF COURSE YOU CAN'T. THAT IS DISCRIMINATION. LET ME ASK, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DOWNGRADE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE? IS IT FEDERAL FUNDING? IF SO, THERE ARE MANY OTHER AREAS THAT YOU CAN PUT THIS THAT CAN ACTUALLY BENEFIT BY THESE TYPE OF APARTMENTS . CONSIDERING THE EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC ALREADY AT THE ITP INTERSECTION, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ONLY ADDRESSING THE INTERSECTION BY SILVERLEAF. WHERE WILL THE ADDITIONAL 30,000 TO 40,000 CARS PLUS THE ADDITIONAL POSSIBLE 700 CARS, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO WHEN THEY ALL START APPROACHING THE INTERSECTION? ALL OF THE CARS WILL GO EITHER TO THE OUTLET MALL OR DOWNTOWN OR WHEREVER BUT THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ROOM. ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE EMS VEHICLE THAT WAS IN THE PICTURE WITH LIGHTS ON BLARING COULD NOT GET THROUGH OVER A WEEK AGO ON 16 A COMING DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION DO TO BUMPER-TO-BUMPER TRAFFIC AT 5:30 PM. NOW YOU WILL MAKE IT WORSE. ARE YOU WILLING TO JEOPARDIZE THE HEALTH OF A RESIDENT AND/OR CAUSE A WORSE FIRE BECAUSE THEY AGREED TO SUFFOCATE ROYAL GOLF VILLAGE WITH MORE DEVELOPMENT ? IN CONCLUSION, IF THE DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED, THIS IS THE GUARANTEE THAT THE COUNTY DOES NOT CARE ABOUT CONSTITUENTS WHO PAY THEIR SALARY. YOU WORK FOR THE RESIDENCE , NOT ANY DEVELOPER . I HAVE REQUESTED THE LEGISLATURE TO ADOPT A BILL THAT WOULD STOP COMMISSIONERS FROM ACCEPTING CAMPAIGN FUNDS FROM DEVELOPERS.

>>> TWO CARS PER HOUSEHOLD. DOES THIS INCLUDE GUESTS? I'VE BEEN IN PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FOR

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SOMETHING ELSE BUT I WANTED TO BRING UP , IT IS REQUESTED THE SUBJECT BE EXPEDITED. I COUNTED 82 PEOPLE TODAY THAT HAVE STAYED HERE FOR FOUR HOURS OR MORE. 328 MAN HOURS TO PUT

THE SUBJECT ON AHEAD OF ANYTHING ELSE. >>> I LIVE AT 201 TOWERS RANCH DRIVE, MY NAME IS VICKI PADGETT. I'M GOING TO TRY NOT TO REPEAT WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID . A LOT OF THE POINTS ARE MYPOINTS ALL CELL. THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION IS MAJOR. I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT ALSO WITH THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE. WHEN YOU CANNOT GET YOUR EMERGENCY VEHICLES THROUGH THE TRAFFIC, THAT IS THE PROBLEM FOR EVERYONE. THESE LANES , THAT IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE NUMBER OF CARS. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE IN THE AREA. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE DEVELOPMENT. WHAT WE NEED IS TO BREATHE FOR A SECOND. WE NEED TO LET 2209 BE FINISHED AND SEE IF IT HELPS. WE NEED TO LET SILVERLEAF BE COMPLETED AND SEE THAT FULL IMPACT. WE NEED THE HIGH SCHOOL TO BE BUILT . SEE WHAT THAT IMPACT WILL BE . WE NEED THIS BOARD TO PLEASE CONSIDER NOT APPROVING ANY MORE PROJECTS UNTIL WE CAN HAVE A FULL IMPACT ASSESSMENT WHICH WILL NOT OCCUR FOR A FEW YEARS. BY THEN IT WILL BE TOO LATE. THINK

ABOUT THE IMPACT THIS IS HAVING ON ALL OF US. >> I'M A RETIRED EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATOR OF 33 YEARS . I TUTOR A STUDENT THAT ATTENDS CURRENTLY AND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH SPACE FOR HER TO MOVE INTO A CLASSROOM. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH TEACHERS TO GET HELP ONE-ON-ONE. WHEN WE MET LAST WEEK AND THEY SAID THEY WERE GIVING THE DISTRICT $234,000 FOR THE DISTRICT . THAT IS NOT EVEN FIVE TEACHERS SALARIES. THERE WILL BE 22 UNITS . IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY TWO STUDENTS, THAT IS A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. THAT IS 576 STUDENTS THAT WILL BE ATTENDING MILLCREEK ACADEMY. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH SPACE NOW.

WHAT WILL IT LOOK LIKE WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETED. THERE ARE THREE DEVELOPMENTS CURRENTLY IN THE AREA. THE APARTMENTS AT MARABELLA AND THE NEW APARTMENTS BEING BUILT IN SOLUNA NEXT TO I-95. THE RENT IS $1525. THERE ARE AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS. THE APARTMENTS ARE ASSIGNED TO MILLCREEK ACADEMY. THIS PROPOSED PROJECT WILL ALSO BE ZONED TO MILLCREEK ACADEMY. THERE WILL BE DISTRIBUTION OF WHERE WILL THE DISTRIBUTION OF

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>> THE FIRST THING TO SAY, I ASSUME NO ONE LIVES IN JACKSONVILLE. MOST NEIGHBORS COULDN'T ATTEND BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING WHERE THEY HAD TO LEAVE. LEADER ALREADY TOUCHED ON THE APARTMENTS. IS BY TOMORROW WITH ONE-HOUR TRAINING. THE CONCERN WAS WHY HERE. THE SECOND IS DRIVING. I CAN GET UP TO UNIVERSAL UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD AND 35 MINUTES. FOUR OUT OF FIVE DISTRICTS WERE OVER ONE HOUR DRIVE. THEY COULD BUILD THE SAME THING BETWEEN HERE IN JACKSONVILLE. THEY ALLUDED TO IT IN BOTH DISCUSSIONS. IF YOU GO ON ANY OF THE SITES, -- BUGS AND COCKROACHES . MANAGEMENT OFFICE IS LOCKED.

NONRESPONSIVE TO CALLS OR TEXT MESSAGES. THEY DO NOT INTERVENE. THEY ARE AN OUT-OF-STATE SLUMLORD. THEY HAD 50 LETTERS OF WE WANT WORKERS HERE. HERE'S OVER 1900 SIGNATURES. SILVERLEAF IS DESTROYING THE PLACE. TOO MANY BUILDINGS ARE BEING APPROVED.

WE HAVE 10,000 HOUSES TO BE BUILT. THEY DROPPED 20 PORTABLES. WE ALREADY HAVE TOO MANY. WHAT HAPPENS WITH A BAD STORM. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO HOUSE MY KIDS BECAUSE THEY ARE IN PORTABLES. INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN TOUCHED ON. THESE ARE NOT STAKEHOLDERS.

THEY WILL NOT BE TAXPAYING . THEY ARE SECTION 8. 22 YEARS, NOT ONE COMMUNITY DID IT EVER IMPROVE THAT AREA. IT IS A DRAW ON FIRE, POLICE AND RESCUE. I SHOULD GET MORE TIME

BECAUSE MY NEIGHBORS HAD TO LEAVE. >> I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS.

THE COUNTY SET THE TIME. OUR TIME ISN'T MORE VALUABLE THAN YOURS. WE ARE VOLUNTEERS. I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO SPEAK, I AM LETTING YOU KNOW, YOU WILL GET A BETTER RESPONSE IF YOU ARE A BIT LESS AGGRESSIVE. YOUR POINT WOULD COME ACROSS BETTER IF YOU WERE LESS AGGRESSIVE AND

COMBAT IS. >> I AM ADELE COLLINS. I AM A RETIRED DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE BIOLOGIST. I LIVE IN ARBER MILLS. I LOVE THE AREA BECAUSE OF THE NATURAL BEAUTY THAT IS PRESENT. ON THE AGENDA IS THE RESUMING AGRICULTURAL LAND FOR MANY BIRDS FOR FOOD ON A DAILY BASIS. THE LAND IS USED FOR HUNTING AND FEEDING PURPOSES . SEVEN ADULTS AND

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THIS IS A FEDERAL VIOLATION. IN THE HARMING OF NATIONAL BIRD , IT IS BIG NEWS . AND A SAMPLE ACT BY PEOPLE THAT APPROVED THE REMOVAL. I AM A CERTIFIED SCIENCE TEACHER . I WILL NOT TEACH IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. YOU JUST DON'T PAY ENOUGH. IT IS SHAMEFUL.

ST. JOHN'S. MY COMMENTS WILL BE DIFFERENT. THEY GIVE YOU WHERE THE AGENCY ANY WHIPLASH.

IT IS CORRECT IN THAT RECORD REGARDING THE LETTER OF SUPPORT. I HAD PREVIOUSLY SHARED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT. I DO NOT SHY AWAY FROM THE COMMENTS MADE. I ON THE REMARKS IN THE SUBSTANCE. I AGREE PERSONALLY. I NEED TO CORRECT THAT RECORD. WE DO SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT IS PART OF OUR MISSION AS AN ORGANIZATION. IT IS OUR BOARD PROTOCOL TO NOT TAKE SPECIFIC POSITIONS ON PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENTS. AGAIN COMPO THE LETTER I WROTE TO YOU AS AN AGENCY IS ACCURATE AND I DON'T BACK AWAY FROM THOSE, I DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY. AMEND I APOLOGIZE TO YOU. TO ALL PARTIES, I OFFER MY SINCERE APOLOGY FOR ANY CONFUSION CAUSED BY MY COMMUNICATION THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >>

>> MY NAME IS JOHN WALKER AND I LIVE AT THE SUBDIVISION WHICH T FOR. THEIR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ALL AROUND THIS AREA. THE TYPE OF SET UP IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE LAND-USE PLAN CALLS FOR.

LOOKING AT INFRASTRUCTURE, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THE INCREASED AMOUNT OF

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>> THANK YOU?. >> MY NAME IS JILL AND I RESIDE AT -- ST. AUGUSTINE, TWO MILES FROM HERE. I'VE SERVED YEARS IN THE U.S. MILITARY AS A CONTINGENCY PLANNER AND I SPECIALIZE IN INTERAGENCY COORDINATION TO DRAFT, PUBLISH, EXERCISE, AND EXECUTE PUBLISH DOSH PUBLIC ACTION PLANS AND DELIVER THE PLANS. I WANT TO STRESS THAT PLANS MUST MEET OBJECTIVES AND IF PLANS ARE MODIFIED THEY STILL MUST MEET THOSE OBJECTIVES. A LOT OF TIMES WE USE THE WORD SHALL IN GOVERNING DOCUMENTS. THE WORD SHALL IS NONNEGOTIABLE IN THE PLANNING COMMUNITY. IT IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION AND CARRIES WITH IT LEGAL AUTHORITY FOR MANDATING COMPLIANCE. MY POINT TODAY, WE CANNOT MAKE ANY MORE LAND, I'M NOT AGAINST AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT IDEA IF IT'S IN THE RIGHT LOCATION.

THERE ARE THREE KEY GOVERNING DOCUMENTS THAT SUPPORT DENYING THIS PARTICULAR ZONING REQUEST.

FLORIDA STATUTE TITLE 11, FIRST. COUNTY ORGANIZATION AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS.

I'M PARAPHRASING FOR LEVITY. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHALL PROVIDE GUIDELINES FOR ORDERLY AND BALANCED DEVELOPMENT AND GUIDE FUTURE DECISIONS IN A CONSISTENT MANNER AND SHALL ENSURE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS FOR IMPLEMENTING. SECOND GOVERNING BODY OF EVIDENCE IS YOUR 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I WILL NOTE THAT DOCUMENT USES THE WORD SHALL OVER 1700 TIMES. AND FINALLY, YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE USES THE WORD SHALL ALMOST 5500 TIMES. AND GETTING AT DUE DILIGENCE FROM THIS BODY, BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE MORE LAND. I'M SHAKING BECAUSE I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR A WHILE AND MY BLOOD SUGAR IS A LITTLE BIT LOW BUT I'M GOING TO CONTINUE FOR ANOTHER MINUTE. I OPPOSE THIS BECAUSE IT IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OBJECTIVES. ON TWO POINTS, THE FIRST POINT I'M GOING TO GLOSS OVER BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT. THAT IS YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE. I APPRECIATE THAT MS. ARCHER TALKED ABOUT THE THINGS SHE DID IN THE SLIDES AND I APPRECIATE HER PROPOSAL. THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DELIVERING $234,000 TO OUR SCHOOLS. THE COST OF BUILDING THE HIGH SCHOOL WAS $61 MILLION. I DON'T THINK THAT THOSE TYPE OF VALUES ARE GOING TO ADD A DROP IN THE BUCKET FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. MY SECOND POINT IS WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE ÚCHA OPEN RURAL COMMUNITY. THE OBJECTIVES OF YOUR GOVERNING BODY MANDATE BALANCED GROWTH UP TO 13 UNITS PER ACRE. THIS PROJECT EXCEEDS THOSE DENSITY CAPACITIES. YOU ARE MANDATED TO PROTECT AGRICULTURAL LANDS AND RURAL AREAS. THIS COMPOSER DOES PROPOSAL DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THAT SPIRIT AND INTENT. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY. THANK YOU.

>> SEAN WILLIAMS 519 WALKER DRIVE. I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I'VE SAT THROUGH DOSH THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING. Y'ALL DO THIS ONCE A MONTH IF NOT MORE. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

YOU DO HEAR A LOT OF PASSION HERE. WE ARE ALL VERY PASSIONATE. I'VE BEEN HERE 12 YEARS AND FINALLY HAD A CHANCE TO MOVE HERE AFTER, LIKE SEVERAL OTHERS, AND CONTINUALLY

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THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT THIS COULD BE AFFECTING. AND I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD SEARCH THOSE AND I THINK THAT YOU ALL ARE KIND OF OUR FIRST HOPE IN HELPING THEM. HELP THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SAY THEY WANT TO HELP. AND IF THAT'S TRULY WHAT THEY ARE IN IT FOR, PUT IT IN AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION. SOME PLACES SUPPORT THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE

LIVING THERE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU. SIR?

>> I WILL MOVE THIS UP SO YOU CAN HEAR ME, SORRY. MY NAME IS DAVID AND I LIVE AT 8425 EVELYN COURT IN COLEY COVE, DISTRICT TWO. I'M THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF AMERICAN ELECTRICAL CONTRACTING AND WE EMPLOY OVER 150 ELECTRICIANS HERE IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA. I'M ALSO THE SECOND VICE CHAIR OF ASSOCIATED BUILDERS AND CONTRACTORS AND HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA BUILDERS ASSOCIATION FOR OVER 12 YEARS. I'M ALSO THE OUTGOING PRESIDENT OF THE ELECTRICAL COUNSEL OF FLORIDA. THESE VIEWS TODAY OUR ENTIRE MY OWN AND I DO NOT REPRESENT ANY OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS. I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS A BAD PROJECT. IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.

ANY 60% AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT RIGHT IN BETWEEN TWO OF THE MOST AFFLUENT NEIGHBORHOODS IN NORTHWEST ST. JOHNS COUNTY, SILVERLEAF, AND WORLD LIFE VILLAGE IS ABSURD. I THINK IT IS A LAZY EFFORT ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER TO SELECT IT AS THE SITE. IT MAKES NO SENSE.

THERE ARE NO SERVICES OUT THERE FOR LOW INCOME PEOPLE. AND IT'S ABSURD TO PUT LOW INCOME HOUSING DIRECTLY NEXT TO SOME OF THE MOST AFFLUENT NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE COUNTY. IT MAKES NO SENSE OTHER THAN FOLLOW THE MONEY. DESPITE THE DEVELOPER MIGHT TELL YOU TODAY, A LARGE PORTION OF CONTRACTORS THAT LIVE IN DISTRICT TWO ARE ALSO OPPOSED TO THIS. I NEED ELECTRICIANS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

IN THE APPROPRIATE AREAS. YOU DON'T PUT 60% AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT RIGHT BETWEEN GOLF AND SILVERLEAF. THERE ARE PLENTY MORE APPROPRIATE PLACES IN THE COUNTY TO DO THIS. AS AN ELECTRICAL EMPLOYER, MOST OF MY EMPLOYEES THAT MAKE $20-$30 AN HOUR DRIVE FROM NASSAU COUNTY INTO DEVOL, DO VAULT TO ST. JOHN'S, ST. JOHN'S INTO CLAY, BECAUSE THEY GO WHERE THE PROJECTS ARE. SO IT'S ABSURD TO THINK THAT WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING RIGHT HERE WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T DRIVE DOWN THE STREET. IF THIS WAS A MEDIUM INCOME MULTI FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX I WOULD RECONSIDER AND SUPPORT IT. BUT NOT A 60% AFFORDABILITY COMPLEX. I'M ALL FOR CONSTRUCTION. MY BUSINESS DEPENDS ON IT, BUT NOT INDISCRIMINATE BUILDING EVERYWHERE, ANYWHERE, ALL IN THE NAME OF A LOUSY GOVERNMENT

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JOHNS COUNTY DOESN'T NEED WASHINGTON, D.C. TO TELL US WHERE TO PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T NEED PEOPLE FROM ATLANTA TELLING US WHAT TO DO IN ST. JOHN'S

COUNTY. >> THANK YOU. >> HOW YOU DOING? SCOTT CRAIG, 444 WHEN WALKER DRIVE. FIRST, THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING, I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO VOLUNTEER AND BE ON THE BAD END OF THE STICK. ONE OF THE THINGS TO BRING TO LIGHT WHICH MAKES NO SENSE HERE, THIS COUNSEL -- THE COUNCIL -- ALREADY TURNED DOWN 115 UNION DEVELOPMENT ON ÚTHIS SITE ONE YEAR AGO. AND THEY HAD PROPOSED PUTTING 115 HOMES ON THE SAME SITE AND IT WAS TURNED DOWN BECAUSE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT DIDN'T GO WITH NONCOMPATIBLE AND IT DIDN'T MATCH THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY PLAN. SO HOW DO WE GO FROM 115 HOMES UP TO 288 JUST BECAUSE WE ATTACH THE WORD AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO IT? IT DOESN'T CHANGE ALL THE SURROUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE. OKAY? THE OTHER THING IS, 288 IS A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS. 288 AND THEY IDENTIFY IT AS UNION DOSH UNITS. IT'S 288 UNITS. IT'S 876 BEDROOMS. SO YOU ARE NOT PICTURING 288 FAMILIES OF JUST ONE AND TWO PEOPLE, IT'S 876 TOTAL BEDROOMS. THEY HAVE 122 BEDROOM UNITS 468 THREE BEDROOM UNITS AND -- AND THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS BECAUSE AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER, THEY INDICATED THERE WOULD ONLY BE AN IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM OF ABOUT 40-45 KIDS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THOSE EXTRA 588 BEDROOMS FOR? YOU SUBTRACT OUT A PARENTS BEDROOM AND YOU'RE LEFT WITH 588 BEDROOMS. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SIT EMPTY BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T QUALIFY UNDER LOW INCOME TO HAVE A FOUR BEDROOM OR HAVE A THREE BEDROOM. SO THEY ARE A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS IN THEIR NUMBERS AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL. THE REASON I BRING UP THE SCHOOL, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME, I HAVE CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL. WE DON'T KNOW WHO TOLD HER THAT THE SCHOOLS ARE HAVING OVERCROWDING BECAUSE FLORENCE CREEK, MILLCREEK, AND -- ALL HAVE PORTABLE TRAILERS OUTSIDE. 30 YEARS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, TONS OF SCHOOL SAFETY SHOOTER DRILLS AND TRAINING AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY KID BEING OUTSIDE IN A TIN CAN . WHEN WE TRAIN THAT EVERYONE GOES INTO A BRICK BUILDING AND HIDES IN A CORNER. I THINK THAT'S DISINGENUOUS AS WELL, THAT THERE IS NO OVERCROWDING YET WE HAVE HORRIBLE TRAILERS AT ALL THE SITES AND, LASTLY, I MET WITH THE CFO OF SILVER CREEK. THEY ARE APPROVED FOR 16,300 HOMES. THEY'VE ONLY BUILT 2000. OKAY? SO 14,300 HOMES ARE STILL TO BE BUILT WHICH WILL HAVE IMPACT ON OUR ROADS AND SCHOOLS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THAT EVENING.

FOR YOUR TIME. MY FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND NEIGHBORS SPEECHES , BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THIS BOARD. THE ISSUES ALREADY EXIST AS IT PERTAINS TO SCHOOL OVERCROWDING, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, AND POLICE , FIRE AND EMS SUPPORT. BUT I WILL SAY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IS THAT I THINK THIS ADDITION HAS BEEN PROPOSED TODAY AND IS ONLY GOING TO INCREASE THOSE CHALLENGES THAT WE ALREADY FACE TODAY. WHAT DOMINION HAS DONE IS DROPPED INTO DOZEN SUITS HERE TO PITCH THIS ON THE MARKETING SIDE TO HOPEFULLY GET THIS APPROVED. I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE. IT WILL NOT BE HERE 10 YEARS FROM NOW. WE ARE DEALING WITH PROBLEMS LEFT HERE. THE PROBLEM -- THINK IT'S IMPORTANT YOU LISTEN TO THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY. COMMUNITY MEMBERS COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE OF THE SCHEDULED HOURS AND WHEN IT WAS DELIVERED.

FORTHCOMING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> MY NAME IS DIANE BENNETT. I LIVE AT 1409 BLUE SPRING, HERITAGE LANDING, AFFECTED BY FLORENCE CREEK. MY DAUGHTER-IN-LAW IS A TEACHER. WE LOST OUR SON TWO YEARS AGO TO COVID AND SHE'S RAISING A

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I TRAVELED FROM STATEN ISLAND FERRY TO TAKE CARE OF JACKSONVILLE'S CONTAINERS AND CHASSIS AT THE PORT. I KNOW FLORIDA WELL. I MOVED HERE TO BE WITH MY SON AND MY DAUGHTER-IN-LAW. HOWEVER, EVERYBODY IN THE TRANSPORTATION IN THIS AREA AND THROUGHOUT FLORIDA ONLY MAKE CORRECTIONS ON ROADS BY MAKING A TURN LANE. EVERYTHING IS A TURN LANE.

MEANWHILE, THE COWPOKE TWO LANE HIGHWAY THAT I HAVE TO DRIVE EVERY MORNING IS GOING TO REMAIN A TWO LANE HIGHWAY. NORTH AND SOUTH AND EAST AND WEST. NOT HAPPY WITH THAT. I LIVED IN A PROJECT AS A CHILD. AT 14. MY FATHER WAS A COP AND WE FINALLY GOT OUT. THIS IS A PROJECT. WHAT WE CALL A PROJECT. TO MANY PEOPLE, INTO LITTLE SPACE. AND I KNOW THE COWS THAT LIVE THERE, I WAVED TO THEM EVERY DAY, HOWEVER, THIS IS A SQUEEZE, PEOPLE.

THIS IS NOT LIFE. BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, I DON'T WISH IT ON ANYONE AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY MAKING MONEY ON -- THE SCHOOLS THEMSELVES, THE HIGH SCHOOL, IT'S BRAND-NEW. EVERYBODY'S GOT TO HAVE A LITTLE TENT TO GO INTO. THE SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO FACE, THAT THEY'VE GIVEN 200,000 -- AT THIS POINT, BY THE TIME THEIR LITTLE SEWER IS MADE UP AND COMPLETED, THEY WILL BE CROWDED AGAIN. WE ARE NOT CONTAINING THINGS. WE ARE GROWING BUT WE ARE NOT GROWING WISELY. ON THIS, I BEG YOU. DO NOT PRESENT YOURSELVES AS FLORIDA IN THIS -- THANK YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING. BORED. NOW THAT IT IS EVENING. MY NAME IS JESSE, I LIVE AT 2401 -- COURT IN HERITAGE LANDING. YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS. I GET THAT. I WANT TO TAKE IT TO A PERSONAL LEVEL. I'M 31 YEARS OLD. I SERVED EIGHT YEARS IN THE UNITED STATES MILITARY. I WAS IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY FOR EIGHT YEARS. I MOVED HERE TO GET MY FAMILY A BETTER LIFE.

I OWN MY HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TWO SMALL CHILDREN THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THE SCHOOL.

MY SON STARTS BP K THIS AUGUST. I'M WORRIED HE'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND -- CREEK BECAUSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. I HEAR THERE'S GOING TO BE REZONING, POSSIBLY FOR HERITAGE LANDING TO GO TO PICCALATTA. I DID NOT MOVE HERE FOR MY KIDS TO GO TO PICCALATTA. I MOVED HERE FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. I WANTED TO GIVE MY FAMILY A BETTER LIFE. I'VE SEEN WHAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN DO. I LIVED IN CALIFORNIA. I'M STATIONED OUT THERE, THAT'S WHY I LIVED THERE BUT I'VE SEEN WHAT IT CAN DO TO AN AREA. ONTARIO, CALIFORNIA, THEY PUT A BUNCH OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE THERE ANYMORE. IT'S A PRETTY CRIME AREA. WITH THIS SAID, THIS AFFECTS OBVIOUSLY THE BIG THING, IS IT AFFECTS PEOPLE'S PROPERTY. THEIR PROPERTY, LIKE HOW MUCH THEIR PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE. AND, LIKE I SAID, AM A LITTLE NERVOUS AND I KNOW THAT I'M NOT A VERY GOOD PUBLIC SPEAKER AND I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE IN YOUR GUISES SHOES BECAUSE I AM. I DO WORK FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STILL. I WORK FOR THE OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH ADMINISTRATION BUT I DO NOT SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF, OF COURSE. THIS IS BECAUSE I LIVE IN HERITAGE LANDING AND I FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO SAY SOMETHING. I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAD -- YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD EVERYBODY COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THOSE ARE THE SAME GRIPES THAT I HAVE BUT I'M 31 YEARS OLD. I JUST BOUGHT A HOUSE TWO YEARS AGO IN THIS AREA AND NOW, ME AND MY WIFE ARE SCRAMBLING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO IF THIS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW INTEREST RATES ARE 7.7% NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD BE ABLE TO GO BY ANOTHER HOUSE SOMEWHERE ELSE IF OUR AREA GETS KIND OF RUINED. NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT IT WILL OR ANYTHING, BUT, IF IT GOES DOWNHILL, THERE MAY NOT BE A CHANCE THAT I CAN GET OUT OF THE AREA WITH THE WAY THAT THE

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THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. SIR?

>> GOOD EVENING. CHARLIE SIZEMORE 426 WIND WALKER DRIVE. I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. YOU ARE TAKING SOME DARTS AND SPEARS HERE SO, THANK YOU. I CAN'T ADD MUCH MORE TO WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE SCHOOL SITUATIONS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE, AS YOU DO YOUR OBJECTIVE DUE DILIGENCE AND YOUR WORK AND PREPARING THE COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE DECISIONS, THAT YOU WOULD TAKE THE HOLISTIC LOOK AND TRULY CONSIDER OUR CONCERNS. FIRST EXPRESSWAY, SPORTS COMPLEXES GOING UP 16 A, SHARE WATER, SILVERLEAF, ALL OF WHICH YOU'VE HEARD THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING. PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND TO ADD ON TO SCOTT'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS GOING IN THERE, THEY WERE ALL SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, WHICH WAS NOT APPROVED. I WOULD BE CURIOUS, IF IT CAN BE PUBLISHED PUBLICLY, WHY THIS PROJECT IS SUCH A BETTER PROJECT THAN THE PREVIOUS SINGLE-FAMILY HOME PROJECT THAT WAS TO GO IN THERE. THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR ME. BUT, AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO YOUR

OBJECTIVE DUE DILIGENCE. THAT'S ALL. >> THANK YOU.

>> HI, THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY SPIEL. FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. VANESSA SIZEMORE 4261 WALKER DRIVE IN WORDS CREEK. OUR COMMUNITY IS ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. SO, I LOOKED THROUGH THE 2025 COMPANY AND OF PLAN EXTENSIVELY AND I'VE COME ACROSS ABOUT SIX SEGMENTS IN THE LAND-USE SECTION ONLY AND THEN ANOTHER AREA IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE COMPATIBILITY AND I FIND A LIGHT -- LOT OF DISCREPANCY WHERE THIS PROPERTY IN THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE A FIT. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE TIME AND READING ALL OF THEM BUT A COUPLE OF ONES THAT A PARTICULAR CONCERN IS UNDER ADOT 1.3.11. WHEN A COMPREHENSIVE -- ZONING OR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION IS CONSIDERED THE COUNTY SHALL ENSURE COMPATIBILITY OF ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING LAND USES. I WILL SKIP FORWARD. COMPATIBILITY REFERS TO THE SENSITIVITY OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSES MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENTS.

AND FURTHER DOWN ITS AMENDMENTS THAT RESULT IN UNREASONABLE NEGATIVE IMPACTS DO NOT PROVIDE SUFFICIENT COMPATIBILITY MEASURES SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED. THIS, I THINK, CERTAINLY IS AN AREA WHERE IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE FOR OUR AREA. WE HAVE PREDOMINANTLY, OVERWHELMINGLY, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN THE AREA WITH A VIEW APARTMENTS IN SILVERLEAF AND AS MY HUSBAND STATED EARLIER AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVE AS WELL, SILVERLEAF IS ONLY ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF THE WAY BUILT OUT AND WE LIVE RIGHT AT 16 A, FROM THE POINT OF 16 ALL THE WAY UP TO THE DEVELOPMENT, ALL THE WAY UP TO 210. AND THERE ARE NUMEROUS PROJECTS THERE BUT WITH THE VOLUME OF SILVERLEAF, HOMES TO BE BUILT AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER IMPORTANT BUILDING -- THE SPORTS COMPLEX. I THINK IT'S GREAT. IT'S GOING TO BRING IN A LOT OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC. AS WELL AS THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. SO WHERE IS ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC GOING TO COME? IT'S GOING TO COME SOUTH ON 16 A WHICH COMES RIGHT BY OUR HOUSE WHICH IS WHERE WE HAVE THE MAJOR CHOKEPOINT WHERE THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS TO BE BUILT. SO, IT'S A GREAT COMPLEX, I'M SURE, FOR SOMEWHERE. THIS LOCATION IS JUST TERRIBLE. I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER DELAYING ANY FURTHER REZONING UNTIL WE GET A HANDLE ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW. I, JUST THE OTHER DAY, WENT TO MIRABELLA, WHICH IS TWO MILES JUST TO GRAB SOME DUNKIN' DONUTS. 35 MINUTES IT TOOK. SO I AM --

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DELAY ANY FURTHER ZONING. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS FRANK MARANO, I LIVE AT 309 NORTH ASH DRIVE. I'M A PRIOR VETERAN OF THE U.S. NAVY FOR 30 YEARS AND I WILL TELL YOU WE HAVE THE WORLD'S STRONGEST NAVY BECAUSE OF OUR LOGISTICS. ST. JOHNS COUNTY'S INFRASTRUCTURE IS GROSSLY NEGLECTED RIGHT NOW AND THAT EQUALS LOGISTICS . WHETHER IT'S LOW INCOME HOUSING, MEDIUM INCOME HOUSING, HIGH INCOME HOUSING, I BELIEVE THE COUNTY IS BEING GROSSLY OVERDEVELOPED. I CAN THINK OF A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD GO IN THAT PROPERTY LIKE POST OFFICE, LIBRARY, PARKS. YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE LIST, BUT, HONESTLY, THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ALL OF THESE HOUSES THAT ARE GOING IN. IF YOU STOP SILVERLEAF FROM BUILDING ONE MORE HOUSE TODAY, WE WOULD STILL BE OVERCROWDED. SO, REGARDLESS OF WHAT LEVEL OF INCOME IT IS, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY HOUSES SHOULD GO ON THAT PROPERTY OR ANY OTHER OPEN LOT

THAT IS IN OUR COUNTY. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> JIM DAVIS, 2473 DEN STREET.

I REPRESENT MYSELF. WELL, AND MY WIFE. WE LIVE IN -- WE HAVE BEEN TO ALL THREE OF THE MEETINGS AND THIS IS THE THIRD TIME WE'VE HEARD MISS ARCHER SPEAR AND TO HER CREDIT, SHE IS VERY TALENTED. I THINK SHE COULD PUT A POSITIVE SPIN ON A HURRICANE AS YOU COME THROUGH HERE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THIS IS A BAD PROJECT. I AM NOT GOING TO REITERATE WHAT PEOPLE SAID. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE HERE. I'M AN ARMY VETERAN. 26 YEARS IN THE MILITARY AND WENT TO WORK FOR THE D.O.T. SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, ALL THAT'S GOING TO DO IS CHANGE YOUR CHOKEPOINT. WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BACKUP THE TRAFFIC. THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S BEEN BEAT TO DEATH. IT IS CERTAINLY NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE GOLF VILLAGE, WITH SILVERLEAF AND SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE AROUND HERE. THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S ONGOING, AGAIN, THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT. THIS GENTLEMAN TALKED ABOUT HIS ELECTRICIANS MAKING $30 AN HOUR. YOU KNOW? AND DRIVING TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. IF THE INCOME FOR THIS PROJECT IS $40-$60,000 PER YEAR, THAT ELECTRICIAN DOESN'T QUALIFY. HE MAKES TOO MUCH MONEY SO THAT ESSENTIAL SERVICE CAN'T LIVE THERE. SO THAT SCHOOLTEACHER OR THOSE TWO SCHOOLTEACHERS WHO ARE MARRIED TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY JUST GOT OUT OF COLLEGE AND THEY ARE STARTING SCHOOL TEACHERS, THEY CAN'T LIVE THERE, BECAUSE THEY MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY. WHAT DO WE DO? THIS 30 TO $40,000 WHICH INCLUDES ALL INCOME, TO INCLUDE GOVERNMENT SUBSIDY TYPE OF INCOME, SO IF YOU'RE GETTING $28,000 IN GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES, WELFARE OR WHATEVER, ALL YOU'VE GOT TO DO IS COME UP WITH ANOTHER $12,000 TO QUALIFY. OKAY? SO I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS IS A BAD PROJECT, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE BEING TOLD THAT WILL LIVE THERE, THE TEACHERS, POLICE OFFICERS, SHERIFFS, DEPUTIES, ET CETERA, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO QUALIFY AND IN FIVE YEARS, THIS PROJECT THAT WILL START OFF VERY NICE, IS GOING TO BE THE TYPICAL SUBSIDIZED HOUSING PROJECT. ONE LAST POINT BEFORE I -- TWO POINTS. ONE OF THE THINGS MISS ARCHER FAILED TO ADDRESS IN HER COMMENTS, WAS THE FACT THAT THE OTHER TWO MEETINGS , ONE OF THE BIG POINTS OF INTEREST WAS CRIME AND THE FACT THAT THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS DO CREATE A LOT MORE CRIME. FINALLY AND IN CLOSING, EVERYBODY IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE DEVELOPER. WE NEED YOU FOLKS TO LOOK OUT FOR US.

THE CURRENT RESIDENTS. THOSE OF US THAT ARE PAYING TAXES IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THOSE OF US THAT LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. PLEASE VOTE THIS DOWN. THIS IS ABOUT GREED NOT NEED TO. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MY NAME IS SCOTT, I LIVE IT

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TO BRING EVERYBODY ELSE DOWN TO THAT LEVEL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TAN -- TOM, 3500 LITTLE COMMUNITY OF 75 HOMES , JUST WEST OF GOLF VILLAGE, JUST EAST OF HERITAGE LANDING. I DON'T SPEAK FOR ALL 75 HOMEOWNERS AND THEIR SPOUSES AND SIGNIFICANT OTHERS THAT LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I HAVE SPOKEN TO MANY OF THEM. PROBABLY MOST OF THEM. AND THEY BOUGHT OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE RURAL ATMOSPHERE AND THAT THEY HAVE AROUND THEM.

THEY ARE ON HALF-ACRE HOMESITES. SOME A LITTLE LONGER OR A LITTLE LARGER, SOME A LITTLE SMALLER. MOVED OUT HERE ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING YOU'VE HEARD SPEAKS TO HOW OUR COUNTY HAS GROWN, DRAMATICALLY. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAN APPROVE LARGE DEVELOPMENT LIKE SILVERLEAF WITHOUT PLANNING FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS NEEDED FOR ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PARTS OF ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT COME INTO THOSE COMMUNITIES.

PLEASE -- POLICE, FIRE, WATER, EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING THAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT. AND WHEN YOU COME TO ALL OF THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT THEY ARE PUTTING IN, SILVERLEAF DOWN ON 16, IT JUST KIND OF EXACERBATES THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM THAT BUILDING AND ZONING IS GOING TO BE FACED WITH LONG-TERM. BUT MY BIG CONCERN ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY THAT IS BEING PLANNED IS IF THEY REALLY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HELPING THE LESS FORTUNATE, THEY REALLY SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED HAVING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION NEAR THEM. THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A VEHICLE, THEY COULD USE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TO GET BACK AND FORTH TO THEIR WORKPLACE. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE GASOLINE BILLS. THEY INSURANCE BILLS. BUT THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO COME INTO THE MIX OF THIS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. BUT, MUCH OF WHAT YOU'VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE DAY TODAY SAYS IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE BEST SPOT FOR IT. AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT TIME FOR IT. BUT I DO APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS AND THE TIME YOU SPEND LISTENING TO ALL OF US AND WE JUST HOPE YOU MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION FOR OUR COUNTY

AND FOR US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> LIVE ROBERTS, 856 CRYSTAL SPRING WAY IN HERITAGE LANDING. I WILL PROBABLY BE THE BRIEFEST PERSON HERE ACTUALLY SO I THINK YOU MAY APPRECIATE THAT BUT ANYWAYS, I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT ARE BROUGHT UP HERE BY MY NEIGHBORS. EVERYBODY IS MY NEIGHBOR HERE.

I WANT TO MAKE ONE POINT. THE APPLICANT HAS TOUTED HER 50 LETTERS OF APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT. AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING HOME THE POINT THAT WE HAD MENTIONED THE PETITION,

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APPRECIATE IT. GOD BLESS. >> ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE,

INAUDIBLE ] >> THIS IS TOMMY. A LOT OF THOSE COMMENTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES AND I JUST DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS. THE RESIDENTS THAT WE ARE SEEKING TO HOUSE CAN'T LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S, YEAH. I WILL LET Y'ALL DEAL WITH THAT AND WE HAVE MORE COMMENTS AT A LATER TIME. I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT SILVERLEAF DOES HAVE A MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS APPROVED DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SITE SO, THE TREES YOU SEE TO THE NORTH CAN POTENTIALLY HAVE MULTI FAMILY OR RETAIL. WE HAVE A TWO STORY PERSONAL PROPERTY STORAGE WAREHOUSE ON OUR EAST BOUNDARY AND WE HAVE A 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO THE CREEK SUBDIVISION PLUS FAMILY SPACE THAT IS NOT PROPOSED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THAT, THEN WORDS CREEK, THEN THE WORDS CREEK SUBDIVISION. IT IS VERY ADEQUATELY BUFFERED AND AS STAFF POINTED OUT IN ITS REPORT, THIS TYPE OF USE IS AN APPROPRIATE TRANSITION BETWEEN

COMMERCIAL AND SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES. >> I WILL JUST ADD, I HAVE A FEW NOTES HERE AND THEN WILL ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AS THE BOARD HAS THEM. THE ISSUES OF TODAY ARE NOT THE ISSUES OF 2027 OR 2028 WHN THIS PROJECT COMES ONLINE. PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY IS CONSIDERED REASONABLE GROWTH AND WHAT HASN'T BEEN CONSIDERED AS A PART OF THIS GROWTH TO THIS POINT, TODAY, AFFORDABLE COMPLEXES IN AN EQUITABLE AREA IN A WAY TO TRANSFER THOSE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY. ON ANY GIVEN DAY WE ARE HOUSING 100,000 RESIDENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I CAN'T COMMENT ON ANY ONGOING LITIGATION BUT WE ARE BOUND TO BE INVOLVED BECAUSE WE ARE DEALING WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES.

THE DATA WE ARE SHOWING DURING OUR PRESENTATION ON THE LOCATION AND WHY WE SELECTED IT HERE IS REAL-TIME JOB LISTINGS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND I ALSO WANT TO STRESS -- IS A LONG TERM OWNER OR MANAGER. BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTIONS WE ARE TIED DUE TO THE AFFORDABILITY ON THIS PROJECT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED WITHOUT SEVERE CONSEQUENCES TO SELL THIS PROJECT WITHIN THE FIRST 10 YEARS OF OPERATIONS. WE HAVE CELEBRATED OUR 50 YEARS OF OWNERSHIP ON A SITE OF DULUTH MINNESOTA AND BELIEVE THAT LONG-TERM OWNERSHIP IS THE WAY THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING MAINTAINS A STRONG REPUTATION WITHIN ITS COMMUNITIES. A LARGE PORTION OF THE MINIUM'S PORTFOLIO WHICH IS HOW WE GOT STARTED IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENTS IS BY REHABILITATING AND ACQUIRING EXISTING AFFORDABLE AGING ASSETS. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NOT EVERYBODY DOES. AND WITH THAT, WE HAVE INVESTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY TO MAINTAIN AFFORDABILITY FOR THOSE WHO ARE ALSO AS DESERVING AS EVERYBODY ELSE IN SPECIFIC AREAS. ONCE WE STEP IN, THESE PROJECTS ARE OFTEN DILAPIDATED. WE ARE HAVING TO JUMP THROUGH NOTABLE DIFFERENT HOOPS TO ACCOMMODATE SPECIFIC FINANCING REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO GET THESE PROJECTS TO A CLOSING. OFTENTIMES TO EVEN BE COMPETITIVE WE ARE HAVING TO TAKE RISKS AND ACQUIRE THESE PROPERTIES BEFORE THE RESOURCES ON THE REHABILITATION IS AVAILABLE. AN EXAMPLE OF THIS WAS ST. JOHN'S.

WE BOUGHT THIS PROJECT IN 2021 AND OPERATED IT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF AND NOW WE WERE JUST ABLE TO CLOSE ON THE REHABILITATION BECAUSE OF HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS DONE AND WHEN YOU ADD IN NEW CONSTRUCTION IT GETS EVEN HARDER WHEN YOU FACTOR IN UNREASONABLE LAND PRICES AND AREAS AND SPECIFIC ISSUES RELATED TO ZONING ABOUT HOUSING OUR RESIDENTS. OUR RESIDENTS ARE MEMBERS OF THE WORKFORCE. I ALSO WANT TO REITERATE, THEY ARE PAYING RENT. WE DO ACCEPT HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS ON THIS PROJECT

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ANY QUESTIONS. >> MS. SPIEGEL? HI. MISS ARCHER. I THINK THE MINIUM IS A FINE COMPANY AND I THINK YOU DID A VERY GOOD JOB AND I THINK THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO BE SO PASSIONATE. ONE THING IS EASY TO LOSE SIGHT OF IS HOW IMPORTANT OUR WORKFORCE IS TO THE ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR COUNTY AND THE NECESSITY THAT WE HAVE FOR PEOPLE TO JUST DO THE JOBS , TO CLEAN THE SCHOOLS AND TO BE THE TEACHERS IN THE CAFETERIA WORKERS AND THE FIREMEN AT THE GROCERY STORE CLERKS AND THE RESTAURANT WORKERS. ANYWAY. SO, THAT BEING SAID, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. I'VE WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION OF MR. REQUESTING A WAIVER OF LDC SECTION 507? AND I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY YOU ARE ASKING A WAIVER FOR? ARE YOU ASKING A WAIVER FOR THE ENTIRE LDC SECTION ON RESTRICTIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT YOU ARE ASKING. SO I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU COULD CLARIFY THAT.

>> SURE. I BELIEVE THE REQUEST IS PRETTY THOROUGH AND EXPLANATORY AS WRITTEN. IT IS A REQUEST FOR WAIVER FROM THAT SECTION. THAT SECTION HAS SOME VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS OR CRITERIA FOR USING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY BONUS AND IT REALLY SEEMS TO PRESUME THAT IT IS USED IN THE CONTEXT OF A MIXED INCOME DEVELOPMENT TO A LARGER DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS SOME PERCENTAGE OF MARKET AND SOME PERCENTAGE OF LOW, VERY LOW, AND SO FORTH. IN THIS CASE WE HAVE ONE DISCRETE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ALL INCOME RESTRICTED TO 60% OF AREA MEDIAN INCOMES SO IT DID NOT SEEM APPROPRIATE IN THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT

ELSE, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. >> SO YOU WOULD LIKE THE DENSITY BUT AS FAR AS THE ACCOUNTABILITY THAT MIGHT GO WITH IT? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND FORGIVE ME FOR BEING NAÏVE. I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD ASK MR. TAYLOR?

>> MAYBE YOU SHOULD. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> I THINK WE DID TALK EARLIER THAT HE'S ASKING FOR THE WAIVER FROM ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. I THINK YOUR PLAN HAS PUT SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS BACK IN, SO YOU GOT SOME OF THE OPERATIONS AND THE RESTRICTIONS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVEN'T COMPLETELY PULLED YOURSELF OUT, YOU CAN

PUT SOME OF IT BACK IN, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. WE TRY TO TAILOR OUR PROPOSAL TO THIS PROPOSAL WHICH IS TO RESTRICT THE DEVELOPMENT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS OVER A PERIOD OF 30 YEARS AND IT'S ALL OF THE UNITS, WHICH, AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST PROPOSAL IN NORTHWEST ST. JOHN'S. THIS WILL BE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S EVER BEEN APPROVED AND WE HAVE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HOUSEHOLDS AND OVER 100,000 RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA AND YET, THERE IS NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR RENT, WHICH IS VERY UNUSUAL. SO, THAT'S THE INTENT. THANK YOU FOR HELPING CLARIFY THAT.

>> THANK YOU. MY NEXT QUESTION IS REGARDING THE TRAFFIC. I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF

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CONFLICT. MAYBE MR. -- IS AVAILABLE? HE IS NOT HERE? >> WE HAVE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER

AS WELL. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, JAN, GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

>> HI, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS FROM EARLIER REGARDING THE APPLICATION THAT WAS MADE FOR THIS SITE AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE APPLICATION STANDS ON ITS OWN BUT I'M LOOKING AT WHAT HAS CHANGED THE LAST TIME SOMEONE TRIED TO PROPOSE TO BUILD SOMETHING ON THE SPOT. I LOOKED AT COMPARISONS ON THE IMPACTED ROADWAY COMMITMENTS AND, IF YOU COULD -- JUST GO THROUGH -- ALL I SEE IS UNFUNDED AND FUNDED, CURRENTLY DESIGN, UNFUNDED, UNFUNDED, UNFUNDED. I'M HEARING A LOT OF THINGS ARE GOING TO BE DONE IN 2027 BUT I'M NOT SEEING THAT.

IF YOU COULD VALIDATE THAT, WHAT IS THE CONFLICT? >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE CONFLICT IS. THERE ARE NUMBER OF ROADWAY SEGMENTS CONSIDERED ADVERSELY IMPACTED WHICH MEANS THEY ARE OVER CAPACITY IN THE PROJECT WILL CONTRIBUTE ENOUGH TRAFFIC TO THEM THAT THEY WOULD BE AN IMPACTED SEGMENT. SOME OF THE ROADWAYS THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR COMING ONLINE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. OUR ROADWAYS THAT ARE NOT ON THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK AT THIS TIME UNTIL THEY ARE BUILT. THEN, ONCE THOSE ROADWAYS ARE BUILT, THERE WILL BE POTENTIALLY A CHANGE IN TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND I THINK THAT WAS ALSO PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT FROM STAFF. HOWEVER, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PREDICT HUMAN BEHAVIOR AND WHO IS GOING TO USE THE EXPRESSWAY AND WHO'S GOING TO GO THIS WAY OR THAT WAY. THE MODELING EFFORT, AND I THINK TOM MENTIONED THE MODELING , DO HAVE FUTURE ROADWAYS IN THE MODEL THAT WE USE AND IT DEPENDS ON THE BUILDOUT OF THE PROJECT THAT WE ARE REVIEWING. SO THE BUILDOUT THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR THIS PROJECT WAS BEFORE THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY IS OPEN TO TRAFFIC. THE ONLY MORE RECENT CHANGE THAT I CAN PROVIDE IS THE COUNTY FUNDING FOR 22 OF NINE TO BE EXTENDED FROM SILVERLEAF DOWN TO STATE ROUTE 16. THAT IS A RECENT FUNDING THAT WAS NOT IN PLACE ON THE PREVIOUS PROJECT.

>> THAT IS DIFFERENT. >> I ALSO NOTICED THERE WAS A PRETTY GLARING DIFFERENCE IN COST IN THAT LESS THAN A HALF YEAR IN THE COST. I THINK I ENDED UP WITH AN INCREASE OF BETWEEN 30 AND 34% ON EACH OF THE IMPACTED ROADWAY SEGMENTS BASED ON THE TWO PROJECTS BUT I DID SPEAK WITH MR. DESUZA AND HE SAID THEY JUST GOT THE 2023 NUMBERS. THIS IS BASED OFF OF 2022 AND HE SAID IT'S INCREASED BUT NOT AS MUCH. IT WASN'T SUCH A DRAMATIC INCLINE SO MAYBE WE ARE GOING TO START -- IS THERE A WAY TO PREDICT THAT TO KNOW, IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE , DO YOU SEE THE MONEY BEING AVAILABLE TO FUND ALL OF THESE IMPACTED ROADWAY

SEGMENTS? IS THERE A WAY TO KNOW THAT? WITH RELIABILITY? >> ALL I CAN SAY IS -- CONTINUES TO SEEK FUNDING FROM STATE FUNDING, FEDERAL FUNDING, WE DO ANTICIPATE A POTENTIAL APPROPRIATION BUT WE WON'T KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL APPROXIMATELY JULY FROM THE STATE TO COMPLETE A FOUR CLEANING OF STATE ROUTE 16. 2209 TO FIX THAT INTERSECTION AND COMPLETE THAT LOOP. WE WILL -- WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING IN PLACE YET BUT WE WILL KEEP PUSHING.

>> I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT WAS, THE YOUNG WOMAN WHO CAME UP AND SPOKE ABOUT SHALL. REPRESENTING A SCHOOL DISTRICT, I SO FULLY AND COMPLETELY WANT TO BE 100% BEHIND AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT. JUST SEEING COMPATIBILITY AND

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MEETINGS. IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? >> THE FIRST WAS REQUIRED. THE

SECOND WAS NOT. >> AND BASED ON THOSE MEETINGS, AGAIN, I HATE TO KEEP RINGING UP THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL, BUT THERE WERE -- THERE WAS ONLY ONE OBJECTION AT THE TIME. I THINK BASED ON THE ATMOSPHERE AND WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND HERE, IF WE ARE SUPPOSED TO -- "SHALL" USE COMMUNITY PLANNING APPROACH, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AND I DO UNDERSTAND A LOT OF IT WAS EMOTIONAL, BUT I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT, THAT CONCERNS ME.

DID WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND ONE OF THE IMPORTANT MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL TIMES IS THE LARGEST EMPLOYER IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY AND THAT IS THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WE HAVE MET WITH THEM SEVERAL TIMES AND I JUST WANT THE REST OF THE MEMBERS TO BE AWARE OF THIS, BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROVIDED SOME ADVICE TO ITS REPRESENTATIVE EARLIER TODAY OR YESTERDAY SAYS TOMORROW'S AGENDA INCLUDES AN APPLICATION FOR AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT BY DOMINIUM AND I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT STAFF HAS MET WITH THE DEVELOPER MULTIPLE TIMES REGARDING THIS PROJECT AND THEY HAVE OFFERED TO CONSIDER OUR EMPLOYEES AND MEET THE INCOME AND LEASE REQUIREMENTS AS ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE MEMBERS. THIS WILL ALLOW STAFF MEMBERS TO RECEIVE PREFERENTIAL NOTICE OF AVAILABLE UNITS ALONG WITH OTHER INDIVIDUALS TO FIND LOCAL ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE. WE ARE THANKFUL FOR DOMINIUM'S WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO ADDRESS THE GROWING PROBLEM OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SCHOOL DISTRICT EMPLOYEES. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE AWARE OF THESE DISCUSSIONS AND COLLABORATION FOR THE MEETING HOWEVER, AS ALWAYS, YOU MUST CONTINUE TO BASE YOUR DECISION ON PROJECT COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS AND FACTS AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU, NICOLE AICPA, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR PLANNING AND GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT. WITH THAT, WE REALLY HAVE REACHED OUT TO MAJOR EMPLOYERS AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AND WE HAVE HAD A VERY THOROUGH DIALOGUE ON THESE THINGS AND AS FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S FUNNY. WE SAY WE HAVEN'T ADDED CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS INTO OUR MODEL YET, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF IMPROVEMENTS. THE NEW INTERSTATE IS NO SMALL MATTER. IT WOULD BE INCORRECT TO ASSUME THAT WE WILL HAVE NO OFFSET IN TERMS -- OTHERWISE, WHY BUILD ANY ROADS ANYWHERE? OF COURSE, IT WAS A JUSTIFIED EXPENSE.

IT'S BEEN PLANNED FOR DECADES. SO, ANYWAY. >> YES, I KNOW. THIS IS SO DIFFICULT. I WANT TO SAY, GREAT PROJECT. IT IS A GREAT PROJECT. I JUST THINK THE LOCATION IS

WRONG. >> I LOVE THIS PROJECT I WISH I COULD APPROVE IT AND PUT IT

SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? >> I THINK WE HAD MORE THAN 50 ELABORATIONS ON THAT. SOMEBODY COMMENTED ON THE PREVIOUS PROJECT THAT PCA ACTUALLY APPROVED THE LAST TIME IT WAS UP HERE. AND IT WAS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT DENIED THE FIRST ONE. I'M SURE I HAVE A LOT MORE TO SAY BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYMORE AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. I HONESTLY THIS IS HARD IT'S A REALLY HARD ONE.

>> I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND RATHER THAN GET INTO A DEBATE, AS FUN AND PLEASURABLE AS THAT IS, I'M JUST GOING TO STATE QUICKLY MY OBJECTIONS TO THIS AND I'M NOT GOING TO DENY.

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>> DO YOU OWN THIS PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT? >> IS UNDER CONTRACT.

>> I ASSUME THE SAME OWNER WHEN WE FUNDED IT A YEAR AGO? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> OKAY. >> IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN WE ARE BACK TO

THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF 2023 -- WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, I'M ON THE WRONG ITEM. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CPA SS 2000 2309 AT

THE PRESERVE AT ORANGE CREEK AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR

APPROVAL, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? >> I HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. AT SOME POINT, THIS LAND OWNER IS GOING TO BE ENTITLED TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITH HIS PROPERTY AND PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE CURRENT SITUATION, WELL LOOK WHAT YOU COULD HAVE HAD A YEAR AGO, YOU COULD HAVE HAD 115 UNITS, MAYBE THE NEXT PROPOSAL WILL BE FOR 486. I DON'T KNOW. BUT, IF IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE AND AS A PAST CHAIRMAN OF HOUSING, WHERE WE SUPPLIED HOUSING FOR 30% OF PEOPLE COME YOU FOLKS NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE WE NEED THESE PEOPLE. WE NEED THEM TO WORK IN OUR PLACES OF SCHOOLS AND RESTAURANTS , SO WE ALL NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT IS GOING TO GO IF THIS IS NOT THE PLACE. AS FOR COMPATIBILITY, IT IS SITTING NEXT TO A MINI WAREHOUSE THAT ALSO I BELIEVE CAN HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF OUTDOOR STORAGE IN THE ZONING CATEGORY, IT IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM A MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX, HOW FAR ARE WE GOING TO MEASURE COMPATIBILITY? IS IT 10 MILES? IF IT WAS 10 MILES, THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE PROPOSED OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA THAT ARE NOT AS HIGH-PRICED, SO THIS SITE IS COMPATIBLE. IT IS NEXT TO COMMERCIAL AND IT IS

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ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT?

>> IN TERMS OF COMPATIBILITY, I THINK PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS ADJACENT TO THESE PROPOSALS KNOW REALLY WELL, BY COMPATIBILITY, AND THEY DON'T FIND THIS COMPATIBLE, MY READING ON THE POLICY FIND IT COMPATIBLE EITHER, AND I'M GOING TO MAKE ONE MORE STATEMENT ABOUT PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND THE INABILITY TO FIND ADEQUATE NUMBER OF TEACHERS IN THIS COUNTY. I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS A LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I THINK IT IS MISERABLE PAY AND THEY CANNOT FIND ENOUGH QUALIFIED TEACHERS WHO WANT TO DO THAT KIND OF JOB DAY IN AND DAY OUT. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT. MY WIFE WAS A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER FOR MANY YEARS AND IS A ROUGH JOB, IT DOESN'T PAY ENOUGH BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE REASON WE HAVE INADEQUATE TEACHERS, IT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I CANNOT

SUPPORT THIS. >> SO, I KNOW THIS IS A PASSIONATE ISSUE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS, AND I CAN SEE THAT COMPATIBLE MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. I AM A PRODUCT OF AVAILABLE HOUSING. I RETIRED IN THE MILITARY, CIVIL SERVICE, MY TWO SISTERS AND I GREW UP [INDISCERNIBLE] AND WE DID WELL, WE DID WELL, MY TWO SISTERS AND I DID VERY WELL, I'M RETIRED, I'M LIVING IN JAIL MARK, VERY EXPENSIVE, SO I CAN AFFORD IT, BUT AT SOME POINT, YOU HAVE TO GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? >> I'VE GOT ONE THING TO SAY. DR. HILSENBECK , I DON'T THINK

COMPATIBILITY IS DEFINED BY POPULAR VOTE. >> I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I SAID, MY INTERPRETATION OF POLICY, PAY 1.311 IS NOT COMPATIBLE, BUT I SAID NEIGHBORS IN THE VICINITY CAN RECOGNIZE WHAT IS INCOMPATIBLE AND THEY DON'T THINK IT IS INCOMPATIBLE. I

DIDN'T SAY THEY DECIDE. THANK YOU. >> OKAY, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. THE MOTION PASSES 4-3 POINT ONTO ITEM 9, DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

[Staff Reports]

[Agency Reports]

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PRESERVE AT WARDS CREEK, AS PROVIDED BY THE STAFF

REPORT. >> I SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THE MOTION PASSES. 4-3. THANK YOU MR. INGRAM AND MISS ARCHER. ONTO

THE STAFF REPORT. ANY AGENCY REPORTS? >> I'VE GOT ONE QUICK THING.

>> SURE. >> YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE ROADS WE ARE BUILDING AND WHETHER IT IS STATE

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