[4. Study of Summer Haven River and Surrounding Areas and Study of Summer House Erosion Findings, including potential FEMA Category B emergency protective measures.]

WE'VE THE BEST SENIOR MANAGEMENT INVOLVE IN UTILITIES, PARTICULARLY IN WASTEWATER TREATMENT IN THE

STATE. >> THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT, COMMISSIONER DEAN. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER

FOUR. >> GOOD MORNING MADAM CHAIR, - - VISITING THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT SITE.

FIRST I WILL VISIT THE REASON THAT WE ARE HERE FOR THE SUMMARY OF THE AGENDA ITEM IS THE BOARD DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK AT THE RIVER AND THE SUMMERHOUSE AREA AND PROVIDE POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR THOSE AREAS.

HOWEVER, AS WE HAVE GONE TO THIS PROCESS, WE HAD FOR OPEN HOUSES OR PUBLIC COMMENT MEETINGS AND DURING THOSE MEETINGS, WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE ENTIRE AREA. AS WE WERE GOING TO THE PRESENTATION, WE CAN NECESSARILY JUST FOCUS ON ONE AREA WITHOUT TOUCHING ON ALL THE AREAS.

THE BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION IS REAL LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE AREA. IT'S MORE THAN 30,000 FOOT LEVEL, I KNOW THERE ARE PLACES IN THOSE SLIDES THAT HAVE MISSED SOMETHING OR STUDIES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PRESENTED, BUT IT'S MORE FOR THE OVERVIEW OF THE BOARD THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE AREA APPEARED I WILL BRING OF OUR CONSULTANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC STUDY FINDINGS AND AFTER THAT I WILL COME TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL FUTURE PROJECTS AND SOME WAY FORWARD. WE WILL GO TO THE LOCATION RESPONSIBILITIES AND TALK ABOUT THE CHALLENGES AND STUDIES, PAST ACTIONS AND WILL SPECIFICALLY INTO THE RIVER STUDY IN THE SUMMERHOUSE AND FUTURE DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD. FROM THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT IS ALL THESE AREAS. I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT SUMMER-,

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BE LUMP IT INTO ONE THING AND IS NOT ONE THING, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS THAT MAKE UP SUMMER HAVEN.

I WILL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE SECTIONS.

WE BELIEVE THE STATE OF FLORIDA OWNS IT, IT IS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED. THE STUDY WE HAVE - - WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. THERE HAS BEEN SOME STATE STUDIES BUT WE UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT A FULL COMPREHENSIVE FEASIBILITY STUDY. THERE COULD BE SOME FUTURE DIRECTION TO LOOK AT AS A WHOLE.

WE KNOW THAT FDO T HAS LOOKED AT THE BRIDGE AND YOU CAN SEE THE ROCKS AROUND IT. THEY HAVE SHORT OF THE AREAS OF THERE'S SOME ACTION BEING DONE AROUND THEIR.

THE ICW WHICH IS THE LARGE YELLOW LINE IS THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY. THERE IS A CURRENT DREDGING OPERATION GOING DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW WHICH SUMMER HAVEN BEACHSIDE IS BENEFICIAL USE OF THAT MATERIAL.

THEY HAVE TRENCH APPROXIMATELY 300,000 YD.B3 IN THE LAST COUPL OF MONTHS AND YESTERDAY THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER 200,000 YD.B3 ALONG WITH THE SUMMER HAVEN AREA WHERE THE BEACHES WERE. RATTLESNAKE ISLAND IS - - WE HAVE HEARD OF EROSION AND FLOODING OF THE ARMY CHORUS IN SOME STUDIES THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BUILT BULKHEADS ALONG THE RATTLESNAKE ISLAND AREA. WE KNOW THERE'S SOME STUDIES OUT THERE. YOU THINK OF THE COMMUNITY OF THEIR BUT THAT ONE LITTLE ROAD THAT HELP INITIATE THE STUDY FOR THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER WAS BELIEVED TO BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE OUTFLOW ON THAT AREA, WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE SCOURING ALONG THE INLET AND THAT ROADWAY, FLOODING AND THERE ARE STUDIES THAT WILL TALK MORE ABOUT IT.

THERE'S A LOT OF PRIVATE ACTION WITH THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION SHORING UP THE SHORELINE TO PROTECT THE PROPERTIES.

SUMMER HAVEN NORTH, THIS IS THE AREA - - THIS THE COUNTY HAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ROAD. SINCE MATTHEW, - - HAS BEEN DAMAGED. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, OR PUBLIC WORKS IS THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO REPAIR THAT IN 2024. IT SHOULD BE COMPLETE AND BASICALLY BE A GOING TO MITIGATE THE ROCKS AND WITH THE ROAD TO DO ROAD REPAIRS ON THAT AREA.

THAT'S BEING FUNDED BOTH BY THE STATE, THE FEDS AND THE COUNTY.

THIS PROJECT SHOULD REPAIR THE WHOLE THING AND IT WILL BE DONE IN 2024. SO SUMMER ISLAND, WE HAVE HEARD THAT THERE IS FLOODING HAPPENING DOWN THERE, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

WE COULDN'T FIND ANY SPECIFIC STUDIES OR PASTACTION .

ALL SUMMER HAVEN SOUTH, THIS IS THE SECTION WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THIS THAT IS SOUTH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BASICALLY THE COUNTY LINE. THERE ARE PRIVATE OWNERS DOWN

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THERE AND RIGHT-OF-WAYTHE COUNTY OWNS .

THE CHALLENGE DOWN THERE IS SIGNIFICANT BEACH EROSION, WE HAVE HAD TO WASH OVER US AND MANY STORMS. OUR STUDY WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT.

MORE FOCUS IS ON THE RIVER AND ALSO THE STATE AND RESIDENT TO WORK WITH THE STATE - - THERE STUDIES ARE SIMILAR TO OUR STUDIES FIND. THE ALTERNATIVES ARE PRETTY SIMILAR WITH THE AMOUNT OF SAND AND DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT ARE LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I PERSONALLY DO NOT BELIEVE THE STUDYIS ACCURATE AND WHAT THE COST ESTIMATES ARE, I BELIEVE THEY ARE LOW . IN OUR STUDY AS WELL.

JUST ASSURE WILL BE OF DONE THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THIS HAS BEEN GOING BACK SINCE 1990. WE'VE BEEN OVER 3,500,000 YD.B3 OF SAND ON THE SMALL SECTION OF BEACH.

IT'S A VERY DYNAMIC AREA WHICH IS TRYING TO FACILITATE THE STUDIES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO DOWN THERE.

SAND MOVES. ALSO, PRIOR TO THE LAST COUPLE OF STORMS, WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE ROAD AND TRY TO GO OUT THERE PUBLIC WORKS TO PROVIDE ACCESS, BUT IT BASICALLY IS ON ENVIRONMENT ALL CONDITIONS. WE CANNOT GO DOWN THERE AND - - THAT WE HAVE TRIED THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TOMAINTAIN THAT . HOWEVER, THE RESIDENTS ARE WORKING TO SECURE A ROAD BEHIND THE HOMES AND FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE SUPPORT THAT TO HELP WITH ANYWAY WE CAN TO GET THAT, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. THERE IS POTENTIAL FUNDING COMING IN FOR A BUYOUT PROGRAM. OUR LAND MANAGEMENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE RESIDENTS DOWN THERE SENDING OUT WILLING SELLING LETTERS TO SEE IF ANYONE IS GOING TO SIT DOWN WITH THE COUNTY TO FIND OUT THERE IS MONEY AVAILABLE IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY.

18 RESIDENTS HAVE SENT WILLING SELLER LETTERS BACK TO US SAYING THEY ARE WILLING TO TALK TO US.

IS NO GUARANTEE ON THE PRICE, JUST LET'S SIT DOWN AND HAVE A CONVERSATION AND REAL ESTATE IS WORKING THAT PROCESS.

WE KNOW THERE ARE STUDIES DONE ON IT, CANNOT PUT OUR FINGERS ON IT. WE THOUGHT OF THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER, I WILL BRING THE CONTRACTOR UP TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS FROM HIGH-LEVEL RESPONSIBILITY, THE STATE, SAINT AUGUSTINE WATERWAY DISTRICT AND RESPONSEABILITIES AND THEIR . IT IS COMPLETELY BLOCKED RIGHT NOW, BE IT IN THE STUDY WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE.

SO SUMMERHOUSE WAS BROUGHT INTO LOOK AT THE EROSION RATE UP THERE. I LOVE THEIR CONSULTANT COME UP HERE IN A MINUTE TOTALK ABOUT THAT .

THE LAST ONE WE DID, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD A NOR'EASTER IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS HELD UP VERY WELL.

WE HAD A NORMAL AMOUNT OF EROSION IN THOSE AREAS.

WITH THAT, I WILL BRING UP - - TO TALK ABOUT THEIR PORTIONS OF

THE PRESENTATION. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

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I'M A SENIOR COASTAL ENGINEER. ST. JOHNS COUNTY CONTRACTOR CONDUCTED A STUDY TO IDENTIFY A LIST OF ENVIRONMENTALLY AND FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS THE BEACH EROSION THREAT. WE'VE A BRIEF PRESENTATION THAT WILL FOCUS ON THERESULTS OF THE STUDY .

I WILL TO START BY BRIEFLY SUMMARIZING THE STUDY.

IT WAS A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE STUDY WHICH INCLUDED A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE DESKTOP REVIEW OF AVAILABLE LITERATURE AND DATA .

WE CONDUCTED WAVE MODELING AND A HISTORICAL VIEW OF BEACH VOLUME CHANGES AND SHORELINE CHANGES.

WE LOOK AT THE HISTORIC SHORELINES TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON AT SUMMER HAVEN AND HELP US IDENTIFY WHAT SOLUTIONS WOULD WORK BEST.

WE HAVE INCLUDED THE PUBLIC FROM THE BEGINNING AND CONDUCT A PUBLIC WORKSHOP. WE COMPLETED OUR DRAFT REPORT AND MADE AVAILABLE FORPUBLIC REVIEW .

WE TRY TO INCORPORATE THOSE COMMENTS AND OUR RESPONSES TO THOSE COMMENTS IN THE FINAL REPORT.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES TO ILLUSTRATE WHY IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE RIVER OPEN TO NEED A REQUEST.

THESE WERE TAKEN IN NOVEMBER 2022 AFTER HURRICANE NICOLE.

HURRICANE MARIA CAME THROUGH AND CAUSE SIGNIFICANTEROSION .

BEFORE HURRICANE IAN, THERE WAS A RELATIVELY ROBUST HEALTHY DOING UP THERE CREATED BY THE RESTORATION PROJECTS.

WITHOUT A HEALTHY BEACH IN FRONT OF THAT DUNE OR A STRUCTURE BEHIND THE DUNE TO PREVENT THAT SAND FROM GOING TO THE RIVER, THESE STORMS BUT THE SAND BACK INTO THE RIVER.

LOOKING SOUTH, THAT IS THE BREACH THAT HAS BEEN CAUSING PROBLEMS. AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T ADDRESS THAT BREACH ROBUST SOLUTION, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE FLOW. AS JOE MENTIONED, THERE IS A LOT OF SAND PLACEMENT ACTIVITIES DOWNHERE .

THE COUNTY IS ALSO CONDUCTED EMERGENCY PROJECTS FROM OPEN SOURCES. IT IS TYPICALLY FINER SAND WHICH COLLECTS AND IS NOT COURSE ENOUGH SO THE SAND WASHES AWAY QUICKLY. EVEN THOUGH LOT HAS BEEN GOING ON DOWN HERE TO TRY AND PROTECT THE BEACH, THAT SAND IS NOT STAY IN PLACE OF YOUR TRUCK STUCK WITH TRYING TO FIND A LONG-TERM SOLUTION. HURRICANE MATTHEW 2016 DESTROYED HEALTHY DUNE FIELD AND IT IS NOT BEEN ABLE TO RECOVER AGAIN. THE SOUTHERNMOST BUILDING, BUILDING 20, THAT IS GETTING MORE AND MORE VULNERABLE AS TH STORMS COME . THAT IS CLOSE TO THE INLET.

I WOULD GET INTO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.

THE PROBLEMS WE ARE SEEING IS NOT NEW, THE EROSION HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME, FOR DECADES.

SAND HAS MOVEMENT ALONG THE BEACH, IT SAND TO THE SOUTH AND ENTERS THE INLET. OVER A LONG TIME, THEY GET

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NARROW AND THERE IS NO WIDE, HEALTHY BEACH SO YOU DON'T GET THESE, THE BEACHES ARE NOT RECOVERING AS A HEALTHY BEACH WORD. WE GET THESE BACK TO BACK STORMS. WE LOOKED AT BOTH HARD STRUCTURES AND SOFT SEARCHES WITH - - BREAKWATER AND THE COMBINATION WHICH IS DUE IN RESTORATION WITH THE STRUCTURAL CORE. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY WHY CAN'T YOU BILL FROM THE EXISTING REVETMENT DOWN TO THE REVETMENT AT THE MARINE LAND?THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ENGINEERING SOLUTION, BUT THE REGULAR AGENCIES WILL NOT GIVE YOU A PERMIT FOR THAT.

THE FLORIDA DEP WILL NOT GIVE YOU - - UNLESS YOU BUILD A LARGE-SCALE BUDGET FIRST. ONLY THEN WILL DEP POTENTIALLY PERMIT THE STRUCTURES. MOVING FORWARD FROM THE INITIAL SCREENING, WE IDENTIFIED TWO POTENTIALLY FEASIBLE SOLUTIONS.

ONE IS LARGE-SCALE PRIVATE I JUST MENTIONED.

IT IS POTENTIALLY POSSIBLE TO GET A PERMIT TO BUILD THE SEAWALL. UNFORTUNATELY A SUMMER HAVEN, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE EASTERN SHORELINE.

IN THIS PICTURE IT IS HARD TO SEE, YOU CANNOT SEE WHERE THE WALL IS BUT THAT SEAWALL SOLUTION RUNS JUST BEHIND THE CONTROL LINE THERE. THE PROBLEM WITH BOTH OF THESE IS THAT THEY ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.

THE SEAWALL ALTERNATIVE WOULD COST $47 MILLION WITH AN ESTIMATED $12 MILLION OVER 50 MILLION.

34 MILLION TO INITIALLY CONSTRUCT AN 80 MILLION OVER THE 50 MILLION PERIOD. I REPORT ALSO, WE INCLUDE NO ACTION AND MANAGE THE RETREAT AS ALTERNATIVES YEAR.

THEY DID NOT MEET THE GOALS OF THE STUDY SO THEY WILL KEEP THE SUMMER HIT HAVEN FLOWING. IF YOU CONTINUE THE POLICY, THAT MAKE IT EASIER TO IMPLEMENT BECAUSE IT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF EASEMENTS. ONE COULD ARGUE THAT - - COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH DOING NOTHING. THERE ARE RECREATIONAL

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ENVIRONMENTAL FINANCIAL BENEFITS.

OUR STUDY WAS AN ENGINEERING STUDY, NOT AN ECONOMIC STUDY.

IT WAS OUT OF THE SCOPE TO QUANTIFY WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE WE DO ADDRESS THAT AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IN THE REPORT AT LEAST. WE IDENTIFIED TWO PRIVATE SOLUTIONS. THESE ARE SOLUTIONS THAT ARE POSSIBLE. ONE IS A SEAWALL, THE OTHER IS A SMALL-SCALE FUTURE RESTORATION PROJECT.

IT IS ONLY ONE THAT IS RIGHT NOW ELIGIBLE FOR ASEAWALL .

SUMMERHOUSE DOES NOT SUPPORT THE SOLUTION BECAUSE ONCE YOU BUILD ONE CR IF YOU DO NOTHING ELSE, - - ANOTHER SEAWALL AND EVENTUALLY THEY'LL HAVE TO BUILD A SEAWALL ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND THAT IS VERY EXPENSIVE.

THE SMALL-SCALE BEACH RESTORATION IS VERY EXPENSIVE BUT SMALL PROJECTS DO NOT LAST LONG.

YOU CAN SPEND A LOT OF MONEY PUTTING SAND ON THE BEACH, BUT IS NOT A GOOD INVESTMENT AND PROBABLY TOO EXPENSIVE.

THE TOWN THE ACTION THAT WOULD BENEFIT SUMMERHOUSE THE MOST IS TO CONTINUE TO REQUEST THAT THEY CONDUCT A FEDERAL FEASIBILITY STUDY OUT OF BUTLER AND PLEASANT BEACHES.

THE SOUTH END OF THE SAN AUGUSTINE BEACH.

EVEN IF THE STUDY COULD SUPPORT THE FEDERAL BEACH RESTORATION PROJECTS, IT COULD INCLUDE SUMMERHOUSE AND EVEN IF IT DOESN'T, THEY COULD REALLY BENEFIT SUMMERHOUSE PROPERTY.

I HAVE A COUPLE PICTURES TO DEMONSTRATE .

THESE ARE STARTING JUST SOUTH OF THE SAN AUGUSTINE BEACH FEDERAL PROJECT . THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS 2006 AND YOU CAN SEE THE REDLINE, IT APPROXIMATES THE HIGH TIDE SHORELINE POSITION.10 YEARS LATER IN 2016 - - MOVES SOUTH OF THE DISPERSION. THE OTHER POTENTIAL ACTION THE COUNTY COULD DO IS SUPPORT A FORMER INLET MANAGEMENT STUDY AS A PARTNER. WHAT THIS COULD DO IS HAVE A DETAILED STUDY OF THE INLET AND IDENTIFY HOW MUCH DEBT SAND SHOULD BE GOING NORTH AND SOUTH.

YOU CAN ALSO LOOK AT OTHER POTENTIAL AREAS AND MAYBE PUTTING DOWN THE BEACHES OF SUMMERHOUSE.

THAT CONCLUDES MY STUDY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I WANTED TO BRING UP ONE AREA.

LAST TIME I WAS HERE IN 22 WHEN I WAS BRINGING THE PROJECTS, I DID MISSPEAK AND SAY SUMMER HAVEN WAS NOT ELIGIBLE AND THAT WAS INCORRECT.I WAS CORRECTED IMMEDIATELYFOLLOWING THAT MEETING . I SAT DOWN WITH FEMA AND WE CORRECTED IT'S. WE PUT SUMMER HAVEN SOUTH SECTION IN THE PROJECT WORKSHEET FOR FEMA AND IT HAS BEEN APPROVED. HOWEVER, WE CANNOT DO THIS PROJECT YET BECAUSE WE KNEW THE ARMY CORPS IS COMING DOWN THERE AND BE CANNOT DUPLICATE BENEFIT BETWEEN THE ARMY CORPS AND US, SO WE CANNOT PUT OUR POTENTIAL PROJECT ON TOP OF THE ARMY CORPS IS GOING. THE ARMY CORPS IS STILL WORKING THAT AREA. SO WHERE THE DESIGN THE ARMY CORPS HAS RIGHT NOW IS A COUPLE OF HOUSES SOUTH OF THE BREACH, SO FOR THIS POTENTIAL PROJECT IT WOULD BE SOUTH OF THOSE HOMES GOING DOWN TO WHERE A WILL END A CAN MEET.

IT WOULD BE A TRUCKLOAD PROJECT AND COST APPROXIMATELY $2 MILLION. WE TRIED TO DO THIS AFTER MATTHEW AND IRMA WE WERE LOOKING AT A ROAD PROJECT AND

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WE WERE DENIED.WE WON ON APPEAL FOR AN ALTERNATE PROJECT FOR BUILDING VEGETATIVE DUNE. DAD DUNE WAS ABOUT 50,000 YD.B3 OF SAND WE HAD A NOR'EASTER WITHIN A MONTH AND IT ALL PLANNED THE DUNE. I HAD THAT SAME PROBLEM AS PARTICULAR AREA FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

I CAN BUILD THE DUNE VERY MUCH WEST, I HAVE TO BUILD IN THE AREA THAT WE HAVE. IT'S MORE EAST OF WHERE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS. IF YOU PUT THE SAND HERE IN THE BORDER EXECUTE THIS PROJECT, THE SAND WOULD GO THERE AND I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO LAST VERY LONG BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN A PARTICULAR AREA WHERE IT COULD POTENTIALLY GROW. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ARMY CORPS PROJECT, THE PUT ABOUT 300,000 YD.B3 OF SAND AND BEFORE THE NOR'EASTER OR STRONG THEY CAME THIS WEEKEND, THE SAND FIND OUT. AGAIN, IT IS A REIMBURSABLE PROGRAM. 25% WILL BE PAID BY DEP AND 75 BY FEMA.WE DID FIND OUT THE SUMMER HAVEN AREA HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. EACH ONE OF THEM HAS THEIR OWN UNIQUE ISSUES WHICHCOST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO FIX .

IF YOU FIX ONE AREA THAT POTENTIALLY HAS AN IMPACT ON ANOTHER AREA . THE COUNTY IS NOT THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY FORALL THOSE AREAS .

THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE AT PLAY. I AM GOING TO BRING UP TO TALK ABOUT A POTENTIAL JOINT PARTNERSHIP.

>> IN ADDITION, THE TASK FORCE AND BE A MORE FORMALIZED OPERATION WITHIN DEP. I WOULD SAY FUNDING WOULD NOT BE GRADED AS A SEPARATE LOCAL PRACTICE REQUEST, IT WOULD MORE

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BE WITHIN THE DIRECTION OF DEP'S EXISTING MISSION AND PROBABLY REQUESTING ADDITIONAL FUNDS BE DIRECTED TOWARD THE AGENCY. FINALLY, WE HAVE BEEN IN COORDINATION WITH - -. HE HAS BEEN LOOKING AT THIS TASK FORCE GOING TO ST. JOHN'S AND FLAGLER COUNTY IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. WE HOPE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS TO PROVIDE A KICKOFF PLAN FOR THIS INITIATIVE. THAT WAS THE SUM OF THE LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS REGARDING THE ESTUARIES.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

>> I WANT TO CLICK STATEMENT. FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE FOR PUBLIC, AT 11:30, HE WILL PUSH FORWARD WITH THIS ITEM AND TO

THE AFRICAN ITEM NUMBER FOUR. >> WE HAVE MANY DIFFERENT PARTNERS.EOPLE IN THE ROOM AND HAVE VERY DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, WE WILL DO OUR BEST WITH WHAT WE CAN.

>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. JOE, GREAT TO SEE YOU.

I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT, I'VE BEEN TO THE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS IN THOSE AREAS AND TAKING A TOUR WITH THOSE FOLKS. DO YOU THINK IT IS WORTH LOOKING AT AND ECONOMIC ASPECT OF THAT, THE COST OF DOING

NOTHING TO THE SUBURB RIVER? >> YES, I DO BELIEVE IN ECONOMICS THAT HE WOULD BE WARRANTED.WE ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A LARGER COASTAL STUDY TO DO ECONOMIC STUDY.

THAT WILL BE A LONG TIME COMING.

IT'S NOT IMMEDIATE SOMETHING I BELIEVE IS WARRANTED.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR OPINION ON THE CERTAINLY WITH DISTRICT 3 . I WILL LIKE TO INQUIRE OF THE STAFF. I WANT TO ZERO IN ON ONE OF MY MAJOR ISSUES AND THAT IS THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER APPEARED FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW, THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER HAS A VERY LONG HISTORY IN THIS COUNTY OF NOT JUST PROVIDING RECREATIONAL BENEFITS FOR PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO PROVIDES TREMENDOUS ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT SPECIES THAT USE THE RIVER, BUT THE RIVER ALSO SERVES AS A FLOW-THROUGH FOR THAT WATER COMING OUT OF THE CREEK BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE INTERCOASTAL.

I WANT TO GIVE THAT BACK AND QUICKLY BECAUSE I-4 ONE WOULD LIKE TO POSE THE QUESTION, SHOULD WE NOT LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT WAYS TO DREDGE THE RIVER AND KEEP THE FLOW GOING IN ADDITION TO FIVE OR SIX OTHER KEY ISSUES IN THE OVERALL ECOSYSTEM.

THE POINT IS, WE DON'T GET A CHANCE AT EVERY COMMISSIONER TO SPECIFICALLY DISCUSS THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER.

WHEN I PARTICIPATED, IT WAS ABOUT NINE YEARS AGO I BELIEVE AT THE REQUEST OF SEVERAL CITIZENS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE EFFORTS TO FIND THE DREDGE MEETING TO BE DONE BECAUSE THE RIVER HAD BILLED IN AFTER THE 2008 STORM.

WE ARE HERE TODAY TALKING ABOUT THE AREA THAT IS SPECIFICALLY A PART OF THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD SUGGEST IS NOT JUST DISTRICT 3 OR THE COUNTY ISSUE , IF THE REGIONAL AND STATE RESOURCE. WE NEED TO ENGAGE THEIR LEGISLATORS AND FLAGLER COUNTY. WE ASK CONCERNING FOLLOW-UP REPORT SPECIFICALLY IN SUMMER HAVEN RIVER.

THERE IS NO OTHER REASON, THE SHOCK VALUE.

SOMEWHERE BURIED IN THE REPORT, THERE IS AN ACCUSATION TO CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY DIRECTLY EAST OF THE RIVER,

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FOLLOWING ALONG THE EASTERN SHORELINE OF THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER. IT WOULD BE THE BEST SOLUTION TO KEEP THE RIVER FLOWING AS OPPOSED TO THE BREACH.

THAT IS MY PITCH. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. I SHARE YOUR CONCERNS AS WELL.

[APPLAUSE]. I WANT TO CLARIFY YOUR THOUGHTS, DO YOU THINK IT IS WARRANTED TO GET A SECOND

OPINION THEN? >> I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO PUT THEIR HEADS TOGETHER AND COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION.

THEY MAY BE ABLE TO GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND END UP RECOMMENDING ANOTHER HOPEFULLY QUICK AND LESS EXPENSIVEFEASIBILITY STUDY . MY FIRST REQUEST IS BE A PRETTY

GOOD PROFESSIONAL STAFF. >> I WILL WAIT IN THE LITTLE BIT, YOU BROUGHT THAT UP EXCELLENT POINTS.

IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT THE COST OF DOING NOTHING IS CERTAINLY NOT NOTHING. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A REGIONAL

ISSUE, SO I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. >> WE WILL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. AS YOU COME UP, PLEASE PUT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES.

IF YOU HAVE ANY MATERIALS, PLEASE GIVE THOSE TO OUR LEGAL

COUNCIL AS YOU PRESENT THOSE. >> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS).

I AM ALL FOR THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF SUMMERHOUSE.

I REPRESENT 256 HOMES THAT AN OVER THREE NEW 20 OWNERS OF THE AREA. FIRST OF ALL, AND THINK THE COMMISSIONERS, IT'S VERY HUMBLING FOR YOUR ALL'S ASSISTANCE. WE DID MEET WITH OTHER COMMISSIONERS A YEAR AND AND A HALF AGO.

YOU WERE ALL SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WAS BEING LED TO AND INCLUDED US ON THE STUDY. THE NEXT STUDY BY A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT. THERE IS A GREAT COLLABORATIVE EFFORT LAST YEAR. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN PARK SERVICE WAS NOT GOING TOLET THE RAMP BE USED WITH JEOPARDIZE THE PROJECT . WE HELD A MEETING AT SUMMERHOUSE AND THAT MEMBERS OF THE COURT.

WE HAVE MR. DOUGLAS AND MEMBERS OF HIS DEPARTMENT, WE HAD MEMBERS FROM EVERYWHERE. IT WAS REALLY A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT . WHEN WE DISCUSSED ALL THE PROBLEMS AND ISSUES, WE SHARE INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH AND TALK FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA THINGS HE WAS LOOKING AT, IT ALLOWED EVERYBODY TO ENGAGEIN HAVE GOOD COLLABORATION OUT OF THAT . THE RAMP GOT OPENED UP SO WE COULD USE IT. MR. GORDY WENT BACK TO WASHINGTON AND GOT THEM TO AGREE TO ALLOW SAND BEING PUT IN THE NATIONAL MONUMENT WHICH HAD ALWAYS BEEN DETRIMENTAL TO US BECAUSE WHAT WE CALL BASICALLY A CIRCULAR EFFECTS GOING FROM THE CONCRETE RAMP OF OUR PROPERTY WHICH JEOPARDIZE THAT BUILDING. ALL THE WORK TOGETHER, THIS WORK WAS ELABORATE. I APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORTS THEY PUT IN. I MADE TWO TRIPS TO TALLAHASEE TO MEET PEOPLE UP THERE AND WAS ON DEP.

YOU CAN GO BACK TO SOME OF THE SLIDES PICTURES THAT ARE TEAMMATE SHARED WITH THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT AND WE HAVE SHOWN THINGS THAT 40 YEARS AGO HAVE THE PROPERTY LOOKED.

YOU CAN SEE YEARS LATER HOW MUCH IT IS SEGREGATED ON THE SOUTHERN END. THERE IS DEFINITELY A PROBLEM AND RIGHT NOW THE CORE HAS BROUGHT UP A FEW THINGS.

DOCTOR ADAMS IS LOOKING AT GETTING SOME GRANT MONEY.

THERE OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE I BELIEVE AND WE KNOW THE ACTION ITEMS FOR NUMBER TWO, THEY MENTION SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DONE, WE THANK YOU ALL AND HOPE YOU WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED. NOT HERE TO SIT HERE AND SAY WE ARE OWED SOMETHING, WE ARE HUMBLE AND APPRECIATE YOU ALL INCLUDING US GOING FORWARD WE HOPE WE CAN FIND WAYS TO

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PROTECT US AND SUMMER HAVEN. THANK YOU ALL, YOUR TEAM AND

EVERYONE INVOLVED. >> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS).

NOW ONLY A HOMEOWNER IN THE AFFECTED AREA BUT ALSO A MEMBER OF THE SUMMER HAVEN RESILIENCY COALITION.

WE ARE AN ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO THE REVITALIZATION AND RESTORATION,PRESERVATION OF SUMMER HAVEN .

SUMMER HAVEN THE BEACH, SUMMER HAVEN RIVER, THE MATANZAS RIVER, THE INLET AND STATE ROAD 80 1A.

WE GREATLY APPRECIATE ST. JOHN COUNTY COMMISSION ACTION TO SPONSOR THE STUDY AS WELL AS ST. JOHN'S STAFF.

IT'S A BIG STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME INCREDIBLE PROGRESS AND WE THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST YEAR ALONE.

WE GREATLY APPRECIATED. THE SUMMER HAVEN BEACH PROTECTS A ONE A AND THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER WHICH IN TURN FEEDS LIFEBLOOD TO THE - - INLET. THIS IS NOT TO SUMMER HAVEN.

EVERYONE IS RECOGNIZING THAT NOW, IT IS A SYMBIOTIC ECOSYSTEM BY A LARGE PORTION OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

THIS IS NOT SOUTH SAINT AUGUSTINE, IT'S A LARGEPORTION OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY . UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE COUNTY STUDY AS JOE HAD MENTIONED, I AM HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THERE WAS A SECOND STUDY DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY BY THE F DEP WHICH IS FACILITATED BY MEMBERS OF OUR GROUP.

THIS IS EVIDENCE IN THE WILLINGNESS OF THE STAE TO PARTICIPATE . THIS WAS DONE UP IN TALLAHASSE . WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY WAS TAKING ACTIVE ROLE.

THIS WAS DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY. BOTH REFLECT THE SIMILAR REMEDIAL ACTION THAT CAN BE TAKEN TO PROTECT THEECOSYSTEM .

SCIENCE IS NOT PERFECT. SOME PEOPLE THINK IT IS BUT THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE IS ALWAYS FORMULAS AND METHODS AND YOU CAN HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE LOOK AT THE SAME EQUATION AND COME UP WITH DIFFERENTANSWERS . TO BRIEFLY READ - - I HAVE A COPY OF THE STUDY AND EMAILED IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS THIS

MORNING. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AND JOE FOR YOUR TIME AND DEEP DIVE TO THE COMPLEX ISSUE WITH A LOT

OF MOVING PARTS. >> YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS?

>> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). THANKS AGAIN.

THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER RESILIENCY COALITION WILL LIKE TO PROPOSE A PLAN. NUMBER ONE, INSTITUTE A MONTHLY WORKSHOP BETWEEN PARKS AND RECREATION, JOE, FDO T AND THE MOVING PARTS OF THIS PROBLEM, INCLUDING A LISTING THE CITIZENS IN THE AREAS AFFECTED BY THIS.

TWO, DEFINED THE PARAMETERS AND FEASIBILITY I MANAGE RETREAT SO WE CAN PUT IT TO BED AND MOVE FORWARD.

THREE, USE COUNTY PERSUASION TO AWARD SECOND AND THIRD BASES OF THE PROJECT SO WE CAN MOVE ON, AND WHICH THAT BEACH AND USE

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THE $2 MILLION FOR THE SAND TRUCK CAN WILL ACTUALLY STAY SO THEY CAN INCREASE THAT FILL AREA.

FOR, EXPEDITE - - CONSTRUCTION IT IS CURRENTLY FUNDED TO REMOVE 40% OF THE SAND CURRENTLY IN THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER PRIVATELY BETWEEN FIVE DIFFERENT HOMEOWNERS WORKING AT THE PERMITS. IT IS VERY FEASIBLE TO GET THAT DONE AND IT IS ROUGHLY 150,000 YD.B3 OF SAND FROM THE AREA OF MEASUREMENTS, THAT 4 FOOT BASE ELEVATION BELOW LOW TIDE.

FIVE, DESIGNATE USES FOR EXISTING FUNDS, WHETHER IT BE BETWEEN NOURISHMENT, REPLANTING EASEMENTS, ONCE ALL STATE AND FEDERAL PERMITTING IS FINALIZED.

IF POSSIBLE, REVOKE PORTION FOR SOUTH SUMMER HAVEN ALLOCATED FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE. THAT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SIX, REPAIR RIGHTS, PERMIT AND FUND CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC ACCESS FROM NEW A ONE A TO THE 12 COUNTY OWNED LOTS ON THE NORTH END OF SUMMER HAVEN.

THIS WOULD ALLOW PUBLIC ACCESS AND INCREASED FEDERAL FUNDING.

SEVEN, BE IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO SEEK FEDERAL FUNDING FOR A 14 FOOT SEAWALL FROM ROCK ABATEMENT TO ROCK ABATEMENT ON THE EASTERNMOST BOUNDARY OF THOSE LOTS FOR PROTECTION.

INSTITUTE A 60 YEAR BETWEEN NOURISHMENT PLAN TO KEEP THE SEAWALL. AT ALL TIMES TO MINIMIZE

ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE. >> ENSURE ALL FEMA SPECS ARE MENTIONED FOR ENGINEERING AND BEACH CONSTRUCTION TO ALLOW FOR FUTURE FEMA HELP. SO WE DON'T 17 THE PROBLEM WILL BECOME AN ENGINEER BEACH AND DON'T QUALIFY FOR HELP.

LASTLY, I WILL LIKE TO SAY THAT IF WE DO THESE MEASURES NOW AND COMMUNICATE OPENLY, THIS SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM AND SHOULD NOT GET TO THE SUMMERHOUSE ISSUE WHERE BUILDINGS ABOUT THE

FALLEN. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

(STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). I WILL START BY SAYING THAT I HAD A GOAL TO BE IN THAT PLACE FOR 40 YEARS AND FINALLY MADE IT IN 2017. A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE LIVE IN NORTH FLORIDA LOVE SUMMER HAVEN AND HAVE THE SAME KIND OF GOALS AND DREAMS THAT I HAVE. I FEEL VERY FORTUNATE.

I TOO WANT TO THANK YOU ALL. I AM AT THE SUMMER HAVEN RESILIENCY COALITION AND FRIENDS OF THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER.WE REALLY LIKE THE DIRECTION THIS IS GOING TO CREATE THESE TASK FORCE AND WORKGROUPS AND GET TOGETHER TO FIND SOLUTIONS BASED ON SOLID ENGINEERING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TRYING TO REMOVE THE CONSTRAINTS FROM OUR MINDS AND SEE THINGS IDEALLY HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM.

OUR GROUP HAS REACHED OUT TO VILANO.

THEY HAVE AN ENGINEER BEACH, AND APPROVED BEACH THAT QUALIFIES FOR CATEGORY G FUNDING.

WE WANT TO FOLLOW THAT MODEL. THEY HAVE AGREED TO WORK WITH US AND THEIR BOARD WILL BE COMING TO TALK TO US IN JANUARY. WE ARE MOVING TO SUPPORT THE EFFORTS OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND THE GREAT WORK THAT THE STAFF AND EVERYONE IS DOING AT ALL OF HIS MULTIPLE STAKEHOLDERS. I WANT TO REITERATE AGAIN THAT THE EPIC EVERYONE IN THE SAME PLACE AND WORKING IN THE SAME DIRECTION. I'LL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY SO I WILL GIVE YOU THE TIME BACK, SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING. THANK YOU SO MUCH, PLEASE CONTINUE THE GOOD WORK. THE LAST THING I WILL SAY SINCE I HAVE A MINUTE LEFT IS THE FACILITIES THAT CAN BE DEFINED AS FACILITIES UNDER FEMA ARE ALSO THE FACILITIES THAT BECOME THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ASSETS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

WE HAVE WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS, ROAD SYSTEMS, ALL KINDS OF FACILITIES THAT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR TAX.

WE ARE NOT EXPECTING THE TAXPAYERS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TO PAY THESE BILLS, LET'S BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

26 BUT 27 COUNTIES IN FLORIDA TAKE STATE AND FEDERAL MONEY TO KEEP THE BEACHES FROM GOING AWAY.

WE DO TOO. THE ONLY ONE THAT IS NOT IS FLAGLER. THEY HAVE GOTTEN THERE IS PRETTY HARDENED. WE NEED OUR BEACHES ARMORED IN

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THE WAY THAT IS ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE, WE'RE LOOKING AT NATURAL SHORELINES WHICH IS TOUGH AGAINST THE OCEAN, BUT WE HAVE THESEESTUARIES THAT WILL BENEFIT FROM IT .

IT NEEDS TO BE A LARGE, HOLISTIC THRILLED TO FIND OUT THAT ADAM, SORRY I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR LAST NAME, IS GOING TO BE WORKING ON THIS. JOE MENTIONED WE MIGHT REACH OUT TO YOU TO DISCUSS JOINING IN THE COLLABORATIVE EFFORT SOMEHOW. THAT IS IT, FIVE SECONDS.

THANK YOU. >> (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS).

>> MAN, IF YOU COULD PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.

>> THANK YOU FOR COMMISSIONER DEAN, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND WILL BE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THAT.

I PUT THIS UP YOU TO SHOW YOU THE BEST I COULD OF - - WHICH BEGINS TO THE WEST OF U.S. 1. IT FEEDS ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE INTRACOASTAL AND UP INTO THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER AND OUT TO THE INLET. RESIDENT SAY WHEN THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER IS BLOCKED, THE WATER IS FOUL AND STALE.

IT'S IMPRESSIVE BECAUSE THERE WAS STILL BE ABLE TO EXIT TO THE INTRACOASTAL, BUT IT IS NOT AS EFFECTIVE.

I WANTED TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.

THESE ITEMS ARE IN THE GEC REPORT.

I AM USING SOME OF YOUR PICTURES.

THIS ONE DID COME FROM THE FRIENDS OF THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER AND SHOWS YOU WHY WE CAN NO LONGER TAKING ITS COURSE BECAUSE THE SHIP LEFT THE HARBOR 90 YEARS AGO WHEN THE INTRACOASTAL WATERWAY WAS MOVED TO THE WEST SIDE AND IN THE PROCESS, CREATING RATTLESNAKE ISLAND.

ATTLESNAKE ISLAND WAS BORN WHEN THIS INTRACOASTAL WATERWAY CANAL WAS CUT WHICH IS WHAT CIRCUMVENTED THE WATER FLOW THROUGH THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER. LOTS OF LONG STORIES THERE, BUT I DON'T HAVE TIME. THE REASON THAT CANAL WAS CUT WAS BECAUSE OF THE OCCURRENCE THAT SHIPS HAD TO MANAGE GOING THROUGH THE INLET AND IT WAS HAZARDOUS TO SHIPPING.

IN 1960, HURRICANE DONNA CAME AND WASHED OUT A1A, WHICH WAS HUGGING THE BEACH, ALL THE WAY SOUTH. THIS SHOWS SUMMER HAVEN FOR HURRICANE DONNA. THIS IS THE INLET.

>> MA'AM . SORRY, THREE MINUTES.

>> MY GOODNESS . NOWHERE NEAR FINISHED. THANK YOU FOR

LISTENING TO ME. >> HELLO.

>> WITHIN EVERY CRISIS, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY. A THOUGHT THAT SOMETIMES IS ATTRIBUTED TO THE CHINESE LANGUAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS ACCURATE BUT JFK SAID ANY PROBLEM THAT CAN BE CREATED BY MAN CAN BE SOLVED BY MAN. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE MAPS AND CONSIDER THE LAND THAT HAS BEEN REDEEMED IN THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, 140,000

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ACRES IN TWO COUNTIES. FOR FLOOD CONTROL , ENVIRONMENTAL AND TOURISM, SOLVING THE PROBLEMS OF THE RIVER AND PROBLEMS WITH THE SAND WASHING OUT I NOMINATE THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM, I DON'T TRUST THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. HAVING READ THE LITERATURE ABOUT WHAT THEY DID WEST OF THE 100 MERIDIAN , THEY CREATE DISASTERS ALL THE TIME , THEY WASTE MONEY, THEY USE BOGUS NUMBERS ON COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS. I DID NOT HEAR FROM THE COUNTY STAFF FOR THE CONSULTANT ANY COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS , THEY SAID , TO BE CONTINUED, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST PRIORITY. THEY NEED TO TREAT OUR TAX DOLLARS LIKE OUR OWN. THEY ARE OURS. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO MAKE THIS LAND AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE? WHAT ARE WE DOING TO INCREASE TOURISM ? I COULD NOT GET THE LAND ACQUISITION MANAGEMENT ACT FOR TWO YEARS TO TALK ABOUT THE SAINT AUGUSTINE -- THE COMMISSIONER CAME TO A MEETING AND ASKED THEM TO LOOK INTO IT AND EXPRESS AN OPINION TO THE BOARD, BUT WE WERE BLOCKED .

THEY DISOBEYED A COMMISSIONER. POLICY SAYS, A BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE ASSIGNMENTS BUT THE CURRENT CHAIR REFUSED TO DO SO. I APPRECIATE THE WORK OF THE COUNTY IS DOING BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE NATIONAL PARK AND SEASHORE. THE MAYOR OF SAINT AUGUSTINE IN 1939 INTRODUCED INTO CONGRESS , BOTH SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN FROM THIS DISTRICT, I MET WITH THE STAFF OF CONGRESSMAN DESANTIS IN 2013 TO PRESENT THIS IDEA. THEY WERE CONDESCENDING. THEY DID NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. I HEAR THROUGH THE THIN WALLS, ONE STAFFER SAID TO THE OTHER WE CANNOT DO THAT , THE CONGRESSMAN WOULD NOT WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE PARTIES -- THE TEA PARTY IS AGAINST IT, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE TEA PARTY, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE NATIONAL PARK AND SEASHORE AND PUT THAT IN THE RUBRIC OF SOLVING OUR PROBLEMS IN SUMMER HAVEN. LET'S GET THIS DONE. THE IDEA HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE

1939. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER

4? >> DENISE COCHRAN , FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING THE STUDY. I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF ARGUMENT THAT THIS FUNDING WOULD ONLY AFFECT A FEW NUMBER OF RESIDENTS , BUT THAT COULD NOT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH WE SEE EVERYDAY PEOPLE USING THAT AREA AROUND SUMMER HAVEN RIVER FOR RECREATION. THERE ARE BOATERS, FISHERMEN KAYAKERS, THAT ARE CONSTANTLY ON THE RIVER EVERY DAY AND NOT JUST RESIDENTS. WE HAVE SEEN COMMERCIAL GROUPS THAT TEACH KAYAKING AND PADDLEBOARDING IN THE SUMMERTIME. THERE ARE SCHOOL GROUPS THAT COME OUT TO STUDY MARINE SCIENCE AND ENJOY THE BEACHES. WHEN I HEARD ON THE MEDIA THIS SUMMER THAT THERE WAS A CONSIDERATION FOR EITHER NO ACTION OR A STRATEGIC RETREAT, I WANTED TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHO THIS WOULD AFFECT. I PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE PETITION AND THE PETITION SIMPLY READS, DO YOU SUPPORT THE EFFORTS TO RESTORE AND MAINTAIN THE SUMMER HAVEN WATERWAYS? I TOOK THIS OUT ON A WEEKEND IN SEPTEMBER , ON MY BICYCLE, I WENT UP AND DOWN THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER ASKING PEOPLE WHERE THEY WERE FROM, WHAT THEY SUPPORT THE RIVER? WITHIN A FEW HOURS, I HAD 252 SIGNATURES . OUT OF THESE -- THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT IN TIME, THIS IS NO INDICATION OF THE HIGH VOLUME OF USAGE OF THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER. OUT OF THOSE 252 SIGNATURES , 125 WERE FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS, BUT OUT OF THE OTHER 127 SIGNEES , WE HAVE FLORIDIANS THAT CAME FROM EVERYWHERE , GAINESVILLE, OCALA, HAWTHORNE, MELROSE, JACKSONVILLE, PALM COAST FLAGLER BEACH, DAYTONA , WINTERHAVEN , DORAL , MIAMI , AND HOMESTEAD. WE HAD VISITORS FROM DUBLIN, GEORGIA, DEXTER, GEORGIA, EVANS, GEORGIA, ATLANTA, COLUMBIA, SOUTH CAROLINA , STATESVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA, AND ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI. THIS WAS A COUPLE

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HOURS ON A WEEKEND IN SEPTEMBER. WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS THAT YOU NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A HIGHLY USED RECREATIONAL AREA , NOT JUST BY THE LOCAL PEOPLE, THIS IS USED AND KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND FURTHER. WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, YOU NEED TO CHANGE IT FROM A CATEGORY V FOR EMERGENCY FUNDING AND TAKE IT TO CATEGORY G, WHICH OPENS UP MORE FUNDS. THIS NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED ON A REGULAR BASIS .

WE NEED TO BE LOOKING FOR A PERMANENT SOLUTION. WE HAD THIS PERMANENT SOLUTION APPROACH THEN WE WOULD NOT BE SEEKING MONEY FOR ALL THESE EMERGENCIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> APPLAUSE, WE NEED TO APPRECIATE THE QUORUM. -- THE QUORUM.

>> SUMMER ISLAND IS A MEMBER OF THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER COALITION, THAT PROVIDES VALUE TO ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THAT IT IS GOING TO PROVIDE UNIFIED COMMUNITY TO BOUNCE IDEAS OFF OF. IN GENERAL, THE APPROACH IS PRETTY UNIFORM , WE WANT AN EFFECTIVE AND PERMANENT SOLUTION. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE WHAT OTHER SPEAKERS HAVE SAID ABOUT THE COST OF NO ACTION ON THE ECOLOGICAL, REGIONAL, AND TO UNDERLINE WHAT THE PAST SPEAKER SAID. I WALK THE BEACH ALMOST EVERY DAY. I AM CONSTANTLY ENCOUNTERING PEOPLE THAT SAY , WE ARE SO HAPPY WE FOUND THIS, IT IS A TREASURE, A JEWEL.

THAT TRANSLATES INTO HIGH-VALUE FOR TOURISM AND THE ECOLOGICAL VALUE. HAVING BEEN A REGULAR IN THE PAST, IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO PUT A DOLLAR NUMBER ON THOSE VALUES. I AM SURE THERE IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO SO A NO ACTION APPROACH DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE CAUSED. WE , AS THE COALITION, AND AS SUMMER ISLAND , VERY MUCH VALUE THE ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE LEGISLATIVE TASK FORCE. WE HAVE HEARD IT, I CAN SAY FOR EVERYBODY, GOOD AND WONDERFUL THINGS TODAY AND I WANT TO GIVE MY APPRECIATION AND THANKS TO THE BROAD-MINDED AND INSIGHTFUL APPROACH WE ARE HEARING FROM COMMISSIONERS.

WHAT I HEARD THAT I THINK IS A DEFICIT OF SUMMER ISLAND, WE HAVE NOT COME FORWARD -- WE HAVE NOT BEEN AS ENGAGED. NOT AS ENGAGED AS SOME OF THE LONGER-TERM SUMMER HAVEN RIVER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN. WHAT I HEARD TODAY WILL COMMIT TO PROVIDE IS AN INDICATION OF THE COSTS BEING MORE THAN 92 SUMMER ISLAND RESIDENTS ARE EXPERIENCING THROUGHOUT THE STORMS. WITH AN EFFECTIVELY ENGINEERED SOLUTION TO THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER AND BEYOND, WOULD MTIGATE DRASTICALLY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AND TO YOUR EFFORTS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO PARTICIPATING IN PUBLIC FORUMS

GOING FORWARD . THANK YOU. >> ERIC COCHRAN . I HAD THE BIT BETWEEN MY TEETH BEFORE MY THUNDER WAS STOLEN EARLIER YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF IT. THANK YOU. SUMMER HAVEN, EVERYBODY IS FAMILIAR WITH THE PICTURES WHICH WE HAVE SHOWN AND TODAY THERE IS ANOTHER GRAPH FROM TV3 FROM A SUMMER HAVEN BEACH AND STRANDED HOMES. IT IS MUCH MORE THAN THAT. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED THAT. I WENT ON GOOGLE EARTH AND COUNTED 211 HOMES BETWEEN A HALF MILE STRETCH. AND THE FLAGLER

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COUNTY LINE. EAST OF THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY. THERE IS A COUNTY PARK , A STATE HIGHWAY, EVACUATION ROUTE, A NATIONAL PARK, A STATE PARK WITH NATIONAL ESTUARIES ACROSS THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY. THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, A STATE UNIVERSITY, A LABORATORY WHICH IS ONLINE AND A PIECE OF THAT IS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE HAVE A FEDERAL NAVIGATIONAL WATERWAY WHICH WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH. I AM HERE TO TELL YOU THAT ALL OF THOSE ARE CURRENTLY IN JEOPARDY OF ANNEXED CALAMITY. IF NOTHING IS DONE TO FIX THE BEACH EROSION ISSUES I WAS OUT THERE TWO DAYS AGO, SUNDAY AT HIGH TIDE, AND HAD PICTURES , I RAN OUT OF TIME, THE SUMMER HAVEN BEACH WAS WASHING OVER. KIND OF SCARY SITTING THERE ON A1A, THINKING THREE MORE FEET OF WATER I WOULD BE UP TO MY KNEES IN IT. I ALSO WENT TO MELON PARK. I HAVE A PICTURE OF THIS, 20 FEET OF DRY LAND BETWEEN THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER AND THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY. AT HIGH TIDE . I KNOW THIS WAS AN ABNORMAL HIGH TIDE, BUT NO MORE THAN A KING TIDE . WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT TOOK PICTURES, NOT OF LAST SUNDAY BUT THE LAST KING TIDE OF THE WATER FLOWING FROM THE RIVER , OVER RATTLESNAKE ISLAND INTO THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY. HE SAID IT WAS LIKE A RAPID, JUST NORTH --

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING NOW.

>> GOOD MORNING. 9217 JULY LAE ON SUMMER ISLAND AND I HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR YEARS. I DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH A PUBLIC ORGANIZATION, OR SERVICE, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE , I HAVE SPENT MY WHOLE CAREER WITH FORTUNE 100 COMPANIES I DO UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS VERY HARD TO GET THE WHEELS TO TURN. AND TO GET IT ROLLING I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO GET THIS GOING . IT HAS BEEN SEVERAL YEARS SINCE 2016 WITH HURRICANE MATTHEW. WE HAVE SEEN NEGATIVE AFFECTS FROM HURRICANES AND BAD WEATHER. BUT, IN A CORPORATION, ONCE THE WHEELS ARE TURNING, IT IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO COME TO A CONCLUSION. I THINK, WHAT WE NEED TO DO AT THIS POINT, TO MAKE THIS WHEEL TURNED OFFICIALLY , COME TO A CONCLUSION. THE PROBLEM IS FUNDING IT. THE REPORT HAD THIS SEAWALL, I THINK IT WAS $47 MILLION TO BUILD THE PROJECT. ANOTHER I THINK $15 MILLION FOR 50 YEARS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT AND MAINTAIN IT. I AM NOT GOING TO BE ALIVE IN 50 YEARS. MOST OF YOU WILL NOT EITHER. THAT 50-YEAR FIGURE IS RIDICULOUS EVEN IF WE WERE, GOVERNMENTS CHANGE, PEOPLE CHANGES , NOTHING ON THE 50 YEAR PROJECTION GETS TO BE ADHERED TO. ONE QUICK THING, YOU HAVE TO BRING FDOT INTO THE PICTURE.

I CANNOT BELIEVE THEY HAVE A $9.9 MILLION PROJECT FORECAST TO BE SPENT IN 2025 TO BUILD A 10 OR 11 FOOT WIDE PATH FOR RECREATION BETWEEN MARINE LAND AND THE INLAY. $10 MILLION.

IF YOU PUT A COST-BENEFIT RELATIONSHIP AND FIGURE , WHERE IS THAT? FOR ONE THING , THEY WOULD HAVE SPENT $10

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MILLION TO HAVE THE NEXT HURRICANE MATTHEW WASH THAT PATH AWAY. NOW, YOU PUT A COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS TO THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE TAX BASE VALUE, IN SUMMER HAVEN, THERE IS NO COMPARISON. THERE IS NO COMPARISON. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. BRING D.O.T. INTO THE PICTURE.

>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE TO SPEAK AND YOUR EFFORT. PEOPLE SPEAKING ELOQUENTLY ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF RESTORING THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER. I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE , HOW IMPORTANT , HOW AMAZING THIS SUMMER HAVEN RIVER IS. I AM COMING FROM OHIO YEARS AGO. I DROVE ALL OVER FLORIDA. ON THE BEACH , COASTLINE TO FT. LAUDERDALE. I DID NOT FIND ANY PLACE AS UNIQUE UNTIL I DROVE THAT STRETCH OF THE SUMMER HAVEN. IT WAS GORGEOUS. BEAUTIFUL. THE BIRDS. THE FISH. THE DOLPHINS. IT IS SO UNIQUE SO I BECAME A RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. SO MANY PEOPLE VISIT AND ENJOY THE BEACH. ENJOY THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER. VERY POPULAR IN THE SUMMERTIME. JUST LIKE THE COMMISSIONER SAID EARLIER, THIS IS A REGIONAL TREASURE. WE ARE NOT DOING SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE AND ANIMALS AND NATURE IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING. WE NEED A PERMANENT SOLUTION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> LINDA, FRIENDS OF THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER. MADAM CHAIRMAN , FELLOW COMMISSIONERS , THANK YOU FOR YOUR POSITIVE ATTITUDES TOWARDS SUMMER HAVEN.

I HAD A LIST OF THINGS , VALUES OF SUMMER HAVEN RIVER, BUT EVERYONE STOLE MY THUNDER. THERE ARE THREE POINTS I WILL MAKE. THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER PROVIDES EASILY ACCESSED EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES , LIVING OUTDOOR CLASSROOMS FOR WHITNEY LAB , AND THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT. THE DISTRICT PUTS ABOUT 900 STUDENTS ON THE RIVER EVERY SUMMER AND HAS BEEN DOING SO FOR 40 YEARS. THEY LIKE THIS AREA BECAUSE IT IS SAFER AND THE WATER IS CLEAN. IT GIVES A WONDERFUL TIME FOR THEM TO KAYAK AND PADDLEBOARD , AND COLLECT SAMPLES. A SECOND POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, BREACHES ALONG THE OCEAN AND SUMMER HAVEN CUSE THE SAND TO INUNDATE THE RIVER JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT. THE SAND AT THE SOUTHBRIDGE GOING INTO THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY AND THE FLORIDA INLET NAVIGATION DISTRICT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING THE SAND. IF WE CAN CONTAIN THE SHORELINE, WE BELIEVE IT -- THERE WILL BE LESS DREDGING COSTS INVOLVED IN THE INTERCOASTAL. FINALLY, WATER QUALITY IN THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER PROVIDED ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES FOR OYSTER HARVESTING , LOCAL OYSTER MENUS , WE HAVE SUPPORT SAYING THAT , AS SOON AS THEY CAN GET BACK IN, THEY CAN GET THE OYSTERS GROWING AGAIN. THEY FED THEM TO LOCAL RESTAURANTS AND IT IS REAL IMPORTANT TO HAVE THEM GET BACK IN THERE AND BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOBS.

OUR MESSAGE OR OUR MISSION STATEMENT IS THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER HAS ECONOMIC, ENVIRONMENTAL , RECREATIONAL , HISTORICAL , EDUCATIONAL , AND SAFETY VALUE TO THE CITIZENS OF

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AND VISITORS TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT SHOULD BE RESTORED AND MAINTAINED . WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING DOING THAT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HELP . WE ARE GOOD WORKERS IN SUMMER HAVEN WHEN WE WORK WITH THE PORT AUTHORITY , THEY HAD NO STAFF AND WE SAID WE WILL BE YOUR STAFF. ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP , WE ARE WILLING. MERRY CHRISTMAS AND

HAPPY NEW YEAR. THANK YOU . >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4?

>> MY NAME IS PAUL FLORENCE, 9301 OLD A1A IN SUMMER HAVEN.

I HAVE HELPED WITH RESTORATION OF THE RIVER, THE BEACH, RUNNING HEAVY EQUIPMENT FOR CONTRACTORS AT NO CHARGE.

IT IS BENEFICIAL AND HELPS PEOPLE , A LOT OF TALK ABOUT FUNDING, I WILL PAY FOR THE STUFF IN FRONT OF MY OWN PROPERTY. I MET WITH SOME COMMISSIONERS AND TOLD THEM I WAS COMMITTED TO THAT. THERE ARE STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS AVAILABLE , WILL HELP YOU ANYWAY I CAN. I KNOW THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR COASTAL COMMITMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHO GETS THE MONEY. LET'S SEE. A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT A SEAWALL , SEAWARD OF THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION LINE . I KNOW PEOPLE SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION LINE. I HAVE BEEN IN THE WASTE HAULING BUSINESS FOR 40 YEARS. MY ADVICE IS DESIGN THE SEAWALL AHEAD OF THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION LINE. GET ALL THE ENGINEERING IN PLACE , PERMIT THE DEP, GET IS APPROVED. THE NEXT STORM, THE GOVERNOR CAN ISSUE AN EMERGENCY ORDER ALLOWING YOU TO DO IT. PEOPLE NEED THE COUNTY TO HELP WITH DEALING WITH THE STATE GOVERNMENT. I AM NOT ASKING FOR MONEY. I WANT TO HELP. LET ME KNOW WHAT I CAN DO.

>> THANK YOU. >> CHUCK , I WILL BE VERY BRIEF. THIS IS FROM A STUDY DONE IN 1986, THEY IDENTIFIED BEACHES ALONG THEFLORIDA COAST THAT ARE CRITICALLY ERODING AND WAS HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR DEVELOPING AND MAINTAINING THE COMPREHENSIVE , LONG-TERM TO MANAGE THE RESTORATION. THAT IS 1986. IN 1999, SUMMER HAVEN BEACH WAS A CRITICALLY ERODED SHORELINE , FROM R197 TO R209, TOTALING 2.4 MILES OF SHORELINE. WHY ISN'T DEP HOLDING UP TO WHAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO? LET'S LET THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION DO WHAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO IN 1986. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4? WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? DIRECTION?

>> THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO THE PEOPLE WHO CAME AND SPOKE. I HAVE BEEN DOWN IN THAT AREA QUITE A BIT.

ATTENDED THE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS AND I DO ECHO WHAT THE COMMISSIONER SAID, KEEPING THE RIVER FLOWING , THE SUMMER

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HAVEN RIVER, IT IS A JEWEL. IT HAS THE ENVIRONMENTAL , POSITIVE IMPACT , EDUCATIONAL IMPACT, I LIKE THE COMMISSIONS COMMENTS ABOUT HAVING STAFF WORKING TOWARDS FINDING SOLUTIONS. DOING AN ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY AND LOOKING AHEAD OF HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP THE RIVER FLOWING. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A MOTION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.

THAT IS THE DIRECTION WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ALAIMO.

>> I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD MOTION IF YOU WANT TO INCORPORATE THAT AS A MOTION.

>> HE STATED ON THE RECORD, IF HE SAID I WOULD MOVE SUCH, THAT

IS SUFFICIENT. >> I WILL SECOND THAT. I WANT TO THANK CHUCK , THE REASON I MADE THE COMMENT AN HOUR AGO, ABOUT THIS BEING , NOT JUST DISTRICT 3 ISSUE , NOT JUST A COUNTY ISSUE, BUT A STATE ISSUE. THE STATE SHOULD BE A PARTNER. MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE APPROPRIATED $5 MILLION OF SEED MONEY TO GENERATE A VOLUNTARY BUYOUT.

A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AREA. FOR SUMMER HAVEN BEACH. IT IS A SUFFICIENT NEXUS , MAKING THE DEP A PRIMARY PARTNER.

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THAT IS MY SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE. IT PASSES, 5-0.

WE WILL GOING TO TIME CERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT FOR -- TO THE REGULAR AGENDA, THAT WILL HAVE ITS OWN PUBLIC, CAN ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM, SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OF EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDE THREE MINUTES AND SHALL DECORUM.COMPLY WITH THE RULES OF NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR. MEMBERS OF THE AUDIT SHOULD REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE ILLUSTRATIONS OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS , AND I WOULD ASK THAT ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT THOSE MATERIALS TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK --

>> EXCUSE ME. IF WE COULD TAKE ALL OF OUR COMMENTS OUTSIDE.

THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. COULD WE PLEASE TAKE ALL OF OUR CONVERSATION OUTSIDE OF THE GALLERY, THANK YOU. MY

APOLOGIES . >> MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ANY DISRUPTIVE DEMONSTRATION OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL, ANY COMMENTS , FINALLY, ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS OVERHEAD MATERIALS PLEASE PRESENT THOSE MATERIALS TO STAFF TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD.

GOOD AFTERNOON. >> I HAVE RESPECT FOR EACH OF YOU AND , GENERALLY FEEL OUR COUNTY IS SAFE IN YOUR HANDS.

UNTIL THE LAST MEETING. IN THE LAST ELECTION CYCLE, I DID NOT SUPPORT COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, BUT HER OPPONENT MIKE, SHOULD NOT BE DISMISSED AS BIASED OR POLITICALLY MOTIVATED I AM AN ATTORNEY, SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, REAL ESTATE INVESTOR, AND ELECTED TO FOUR CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS COMMISSIONER IN SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH. I HAVE SERVED AS THE VICE MAYOR AND MAYOR. I AM NOT SPEAKING TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, I AM SPEAKING AS A COLLEAGUE AND FELLOW ELECTED OFFICIAL. SIMPLY PUT, IT IS INAPPROPRIATE TO USE COMMISSIONER REPORTS TO PASS EMOTION WHICH HAS NOT BEEN NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC , ESPECIALLY SOMETHING AS CONTROVERSIAL AS CENTERING A CALLING, NOT TO MENTION ONE IN WHICH A SPECIAL ALLOCATION OF PUBLIC FUNDS WAS INCLUDED. IT IS SHOCKING THAT YOU WOULD NOT RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE ON THE MATTER AND YET STILL DECIDED TO TAKE ACTION ON IT . LEGALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT LAW GIVES YOU AUTHORITY TO CENSURE A COLLEAGUE AND TAKE ACTION UPON A POSSIBLE VIOLATION OF ELECTION LAW? FOR THE RECORD, YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. ONLY THE FLORIDA ELECTION COMMISSION HAS THAT AUTHORITY . THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WRONG WITH THE WAY THE MOTION WAS HANDLED AND EACH OF YOU HAS ENOUGH EXPERIENCE TO KNOW BETTER. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER, MAYBE HE WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD.

COMMISSIONER DEAN POINT THE COMMON SPIKE COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AS A CAMPAIGN SPEECH BUT IT WAS NOT, I WATCHED BOTH

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MEETINGS MULTIPLE TIMES TO MAKE SENSE OF YOUR POSITION BUT THERE IS NO SENSE TO IT . THE MORE I WATCH IT, THE MORE IT SEEMS TO BE ORCHESTRATED AND POLITICAL. EACH OF YOU SAID THE MOTION WAS ABOUT UPHOLDING THE LAW IN PASSING IT YOU VIOLATED THE LAW. YOU VIOLATED COMMISSIONER JOSEPH'S CONSTITUTIONAL -- RIGHTS TO THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND VIOLATED THE FEC JURISDICTION TO INVESTIGATE AN ALLEGED VIOLATION. YOU ALSO VIOLATED YOUR OWN RULES OF CIVILITY. IN AMERICA, WE ARE ALL INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY , HERE, YOU TURN THEM UPSIDE DOWN, YOU CENSURED HER BECAUSE SHE MAY BE GUILTY YOU DID NOT SEEK LEGAL ADVICE OR GIVE HER A TRIAL BEFORE FINDING HER GUILTY AND PUNISHING HER. DURING MY FIRST TERM IN OFFICE, I WAS THE REPEATED TARGET OF SIMILAR VINDICTIVE AND PETTY ATTACKS ON THE COMMISSION. THE BEACH COMMISSION AT THE TIME HAD A REPUTATION OF BEING A CIRCUS I SEE THAT NOW HERE IN THE COUNTY. THANKFULLY, THE BEACH COMMISSION IS PROFESSIONAL AND MUTUALLY RESPECTFUL, EVEN WHEN WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS . WHAT I HAD TO GO THROUGH, NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH. I HAD TO MASTER THE ART OF MAKING OTHER PEOPLE FEEL THAT MY IDEAS WERE THEIR IDEAS JUST SO THAT GOOD IDEAS COULD BE GIVEN DUE CONSIDERATION. LET ME TELL YOU, ALL THAT PETTINESS AND INSECURITY DOES HURT THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE INSTEAD IS TABLED A MOTION, USE THE TIME TO SEEK LEGAL COUNSEL, AND, IF YOU BELIEVE ELECTION LAW MAY HAVE BEEN VIOLATED, THE COMPLAINT --

>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

>> I ASKED THAT YOU RECALL THE VOTE AND FOLLOW THE STATUTORY

PROCEDURE. >> I HAVE POSITIVE COMMENTS ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I WILL HOLD MY COMMENTS.

>> I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE THE COUNTY BECAUSE, I HAVE A NINE-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER , ASIAN-AMERICAN , THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, WHERE WE HAVE A FEMALE COMMISSIONER WHO IS IN CHARGE. AND AN ASIAN-AMERICAN COMMISSIONER THAT IS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. THAT IS AN AMAZING ADVANCEMENT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. MY DAUGHTER WILL BE WATCHING THIS.

THIS IS PROGRESS. SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK BACK ON AND SAY, WE DID THAT. I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON THAT. I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT A LATER ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD. THANK YOU.

YEAR AGO, A PUBLIC WORKS FRAUD I REPORTED TO THE BOARD IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, WHO MADE A SURPRISE VISIT TO MY HOME TO OPENLY DISCUSS THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY DAMAGES I HAD CLAIMED , NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOU HAVE RESPONDED TO ME ABOUT THE SAME EVIDENCE I PRESENTED TO FOUR OF YOU IN A 30 MINUTE MEETING WHICH ENDED IN AN ONLINE SLIDESHOW. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD

HAD DECLINED -- >> NO PERSONAL COMMENTS.

>> EXCUSE ME ? >> ADDRESS COMMENTS TO THE BOARD AND NOT INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS.

>> I AM HARD OF HEARING. >> YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS COMMENTS TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE, NOT INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS. CAN

YOU RESET THE CLOCK? >> THREE MINUTES.

>> I LOST A LOT OF TIME. I NEED IT.

>> THESE ARE THE RULES. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> YOU ARE ALL FRINGING ON BIG ACCESSORIES TO CRIME , ESPECIALLY IMMINENT DOMAIN. YOU ARE HARBORING CRIMINAL EMPLOYEES , YOU NEVER INVESTIGATED THIS FRAUD PROPERLY. YOU HAVE TREATED ME LIKE A BUTTS ANDBOIL ON YOUR I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HER, I LOST $30,000 WORTH OF PROPERTY BECAUSE OF YOUR PUBLIC WORKS CRIMINALS AND YOU YET, YOU SPENDHAVE DONE NOTHING. $500,000 CHASING DOWN SOMEBODY FOR EMBEZZLEMENT. YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING . YOU HAVE NOT TREATED

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ME AS A RESIDENT WITH LOSS IN THE SAME REGARD. WHY ARE YOU NOT USING YOUR POWERS TO INVESTIGATE THIS FRAUD PROPERLY AND INVESTIGATE TOMMY MASHBURN, JESSICA , GREGORY CALDWELL, MATTHEW O'BRIEN ? THEY ARE ALL PARTICIPANTS IN SETTING UP, UNDER ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT , TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT THAT WAS COERCED BY PRETENDING TO STAKE OUT MY PROPERTY WITH PROTECTIVE BARRIERS . IT STRIPS DOWN TO A CRIME OF INVERSE CONDEMNATION. UNLIKE YOU, I DON'T HAVE $500,000 FOR AN ATTORNEY TO SUE YOU ALL. AND YOU KNOW THAT. I THINK THAT IS A BIG PART OF WHAT YOU JUST GHOST ME. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE TO US AS RESIDENTS, PLEASE SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BEING IN YOUR PURVIEW. I WOULD SURE

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> I AM ELIZABETH POTTER, THE REPUBLICAN LIBERTY CAUCUS SJC VICE CHAIR. CHARLOTTE COUNTY, FLORIDA HAS BEEN PAYING ANNUAL DUES TO THE RADICAL AMERICAN LIBRARY ASSOCIATION , THE PUBLIC LIBRARY ASSOCIATION, AND THE STATE CHAPTER, THE FLORIDA LIBRARY ASSOCIATION. THE ALA'S CURRENT PRESENT, SELF-PROCLAIMED MARXIST LESBIAN HAS SAID LIBRARIES NEED TO BE A SITE OF SOCIALIST ORGANIZING. AND HAS BEEN USING HER POSITION TO PROMOTE QUEERING A PUBLIC LIBRARIES THIS RADICAL AGENDA OF SEXUALIZING CHILDREN GOES BACK YEARS BEFORE HER PRESIDENCY. OVER A DECADE AGO, THAT ALA STARTED THE RAINBOW PROJECT BOOK LIST . THIS READING LIST FOR CHILDREN PUSHES SEXUAL LIFESTYLES AND GENDER FLUID THEMES ON CHILDREN AS YOUNG AS THREE MONTHS OLD. WITH TITLES SUCH AS "TWO GROOMS ON A CAKE," FROM AGES SIX TO NINE, " THE STORY OF A BOY NAMED PENELOPE" WHICH PROMOTES TRANSGENDER IS AN IN CHILDREN AND A BOOK AGES THREE YEARS -- THAT ENCOURAGES DISMANTLING OF GENDER NORMS FROM INFANCY. THAT ALA HAS BEEN PROMOTING THESE BOOKS AND ALSO OUT RIGHT PORNOGRAPHIC CONTENT. THE ALA'S BANNED BOOKS LIST CELEBRATES THESE PORNOGRAPHIC BOOKS AND ENCOURAGES CHILDREN TO CHECK THEM OUT. THAT INCLUDES "GENDER QUEER" WITH THE PICTURES OF TEENAGERS ENGAGING IN ORAL SEX. "BEYOND MAGENTA " INCLUDING A GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION OF A SIX-YEAR-OLD PERFORMING ORAL SEX ON MULTIPLE MEN. THE LIBRARIANS WANT TO PUSH BACK ON PARENTS WHO OBJECT TO THESE PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIALS BY SAYING THE PARENTS ARE BOOK BANNERS. THE OTHER SIDE SAYS IT IS CENSORSHIP BUT THE ALA IS DOING THE CENSORING AND MARCO RUBIO HAS WANTED TO STOP FUNDING TO THE ALA AND KIRK CAMERON AND HIS PUBLISHER TRIED TO ORGANIZE A FAMILY FRIENDLY STORY HOUR ON AUGUST 5TH AND LIBRARIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BUT THE DIRECTOR OF THE ALA OFFICE FOR INTELLECTUAL FREEDOM COACH LIBRARIANS TO INVENT PROGRAMMING THE DAY SO THAT THE LIBRARY ROOMS WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE. THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN PUBLIC LIBRARIES , PUBLIC SCHOOLS ,

TAX DOLLARS . >> THANK YOU, MS. POTTER.

>> DISGUSTING. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. ANN TAYLOR. DEFINITELY A PICTURE IS WORTH 1000 WORDS. THE ALA HAS WEBSITE DEVOTING AN ENTIRE PAGE TO RESOURCES TO HELP LIBRARIANS PLAN DRAG QUEEN HOURS TO ENCOURAGE CHILDREN TO EXPLORE WHAT THEY CALL GENDER FLUIDITY. HER DESIGNATED SUCCESSOR , CINDY, WHO WILL START IN JULY OF 2024 CAN BE EXPECTED TO AGGRESSIVELY CARRY ON THIS INSIDIOUS AGENDA,

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GIVEN THE FACT SHE IS THE CURRENT TREASURER OF THE FREEDOM TO READ FOUNDATION, WHICH IS BEHIND THE BANNED BOOK LIST. THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF STATES DIVISION OF LIBRARY AND INFORMATION SERVICES RECENTLY ANNOUNCED IT WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY GRANTS WITH PROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ALA OR ITS STATE CHAPTER , THE FLORIDA LIBRARY ASSOCIATION. SEVERAL OTHER STATE LIBRARIES AND COUNTIES OUTSIDE OF FLORIDA HAVE ALSO SEVERED TIES WITH THE ALA, INCLUDING MONTANA, TEXAS, MISSOURI , SOUTH CAROLINA STATE LIBRARIES. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE OUR COUNTY JOIN THE NUMBER OF COUNTIES AROUND THE STATE THAT HAVE TERMINATED THE MEMBERSHIPS IN THE ALA. THESE COUNTIES INCLUDE CITRUS, HERNANDEZ, COLLIER COUNTY, SARASOTA COUNTY, PASCOE COUNTY, SANTA ROSA, COUNTY , ST. LUCIE COUNTY, AND HILLSBORO COUNTY.

BY TERMINATING MEMBERSHIP DUES IN THESE GROUPS , THE FLORIDA LIBRARY ASSOCIATION , OUR COUNTY, WILL BE SENDING A STRONG MESSAGE TO STANDING UP TO THIS RADICAL AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATION WHILE ADDING MOMENTUM TO THE MOVEMENT TO DEFEND DEFUND ALA-- THROUGHOUT FLORIDA AND THE UNITED STATES . I HOPE WE CAN COUNT ON YOUR SUPPORT TO STOP PAYING DUES TO THE FLA, ALA, AND THE PLA. PLEASE HOLD OFF ON ANY UPCOMING PLANNED DUES. YOU STATED THE BEST , WHEN YOU SAID OUR CHILDREN ARE SO IMPRESSIONABLE. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. AND MERRY CHRISTMAS.

>> DORIS TAYLOR. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS . IS IT STILL MORNING? THE RULES AND POLICIES OF PRINTED BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THIS COMMISSION BROKE THE RULES.

WHILE BOATING TO CENSURE COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. I HAVE TRANSCRIBED THE FOLLOWING, AFTER MAKING HIS USUAL RAMBLING TYPE OF COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER DEAN SAID --

>> DIRECT THE COMMENTS TO THE BOARD.

>> I AM ABOUT SOMETHING THE BOARD DID, I AM NOT ADDRESSING HIM AT ALL. BUT HE MADE THE MOTION, AND HE STATED, I AM "GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO CENSURE COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AND GOING TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST IN THIS MOTION TO ASK THE CHAIRMAN TO SEEK OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND WORK WITH THE COMMISSION TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS VIOLATED STATE LAW AND COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION WHICH SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT IF ANYTHING." THEN HE SAID, " MY MISSION IS TO -- MY MOTION IS TO ONE, CENSURE COMMISSIONER JOSEPH." TWO, SEEK OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO ADVISE THE COMMISSION ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS PROBABLE CAUSE.

THAT MOTION DOES NOT STATE A REASON. FOR THE CENSURE. TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, THAT MOTION WAS NEVER STATED BY THE CHAIR AND NEVER REPEATED OR STATED AT ALL. IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY FROM COMMISSIONER DEAN, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SAID, THE MOTION WAS CLEAR TO HIM. WHICH BELIED THE TRUTH IT HAD NOT BEEN CLARIFIED TO THE REST OF US. RULE 4.2 STATES THE FIRST DUTY OF THE PRESIDING OFFICER IN THIS CASE, CHAIRMAN ARNOLD, IS TO STATE EVERY QUESTION BEFORE THE BOARD, THAT IS THE FIRST THING, THE FIRST JOB OF THE CHAIRMAN. THAT IS TO CLARIFY SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT IS BEEN CONSIDERED SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE VOTING ON. AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, MORE THAN ONE COMMISSIONER SAID THE PUBLIC WAS OFF-TOPIC. THEREBY EFFECTIVELY DISMISSING OUR CONCERNS AND PROVING THAT CONFUSION HAD BEEN CREATED BY A BAD MOTION COMPOUNDED BY A FAILURE ON THE PART OF THE CHAIR TO STATE AND CLARIFIED THE MOTION. GIVEN THAT THE CHAIR BROKE THE RULES DURING THE PROCESS, OF HANDLING THE MOTION TO CENSURE, ONE OF THE MEMBERS , AND THAT THE MOTION DID NOT STATE A REASON FOR CENSURE, I RECOMMEND THE BOARD RECONSIDER THE VOTE BECAUSE THERE IS NO REASON STATED FOR

DOING SO. VERY HIGH-HANDED. >> THANK YOU.

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I RESIDE AT 109 KINGS COREY LANE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, BEACH, FLORIDA. A RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I AM VERY DISTURBED AND WANT TO MAKE A SUGGESTION FOR YOU TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER AND ACT UPON FOR AN AGENDA ITEM AT YOUR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING. THAT AGENDA SHOULD BE , RECONSIDERATION OF THE CENSURE THAT WAS ILLEGALLY BROUGHT AGAINST COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. YOU SHOULD RESEND THAT CENSURE AND PROVIDE A PUBLIC APOLOGY TO YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONER, THAT IS REQUIRED. I HAVE STUDIED THE LAW THAT HAVE BEEN CITED TODAY. BELIEVE ME, YOU ARE MAKING A MOCKERY OF THE COMMISSION. I PLEAD WITH YOU , MAKE THE SITUATION RIGHT , APOLOGIZED TO THE COMMISSIONER, PUT IT ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM FOR THE NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE CAN CLEAR THE RECORD AND EVERYBODY CAN OPERATE HARMONIOUSLY THANK YOU

FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. >> THANK YOU.

>> MI ON ? >> YES .

>> I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MOTHER NATURE OPPOSING 3.5 MILES OF WATERFRONT FOR A 12 YOU WHY TRAIL -- 12 FEET WIDE TRAIL. THE WATERFRONT HOMEOWNERS AGREED INDISCERNIBLE ] STARTED TO CHARGE TAXPAYERS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR MAINTENANCE , IF THIS TRAIL SHOULD BE APPROVED, THE TAXPAYERS WILL PAY MILLIONS OF CONSTRUCTION -- PROXIMITY TO THE DANGEROUSLY ERODING RIVERBANK.

INDISCERNIBLE ] SORRY. APPLIED WEED KILLERS AROUND THE TREES. MOW DOWN THE FLOWERS. ONE DAY, THE COUNTY SEIZED THE PROPERTIES . PICNIC TABLES, REMOVED THE BENCHES EXCEPT FOR ONE. NOT PLANNING TO REMOVE THE TREES -- NOW PLANNING TO REMOVE THE TREES.

HOMEOWNER HE WAS FINED FOR TRIMMING BUSHES IN FRONT OF HIS MOTHER'S HOUSE.

GAS STATION AT THE ENTRANCE EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE TWO MORE

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ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. THREE

MINUTES. GOES BY FAST. >> MERRY CHRISTMAS.

>> MERRY CHRISTMAS. THANK YOU.

>> DIANE CAMPBELL, 38 LINDED ROAD, IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED TRAIN FROM THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT ON SHORE DRIVE. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANT TO PROCEED WITH AN ASPHALT TRAIL IN OUR BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD DISRUPTING THE GREEN SPACE. DISRUPTING WILDLIFE. ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. TREE REMOVAL. LAND CLEARING SHRUBS, NATURAL HABITAT DISRUPTED. ALSO, THE TRAIL, DOMINATING THE LANDSCAPE. THE BEAUTY OF OUR WATERFRONT. ON SHORE DRIVE.

AND THE COST TO THE TAXPAYERS FOR CONSTANT MAINTENANCE, ASPHALT PAVING, RESURFACING , NOT TO MENTION ALL THE FLOODING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. PLEASE RECONSIDER MOVING AHEAD WITH

THIS. THAT IS IT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, JACKIE, I AM IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE RULES, IN ADDRESSING YOUR CENSURE OF COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, RULE 4.601 IN MOTIONS COME OUT OF YOUR OWN RULES AND POLICIES OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IT SHALL BE STATED BY THE PRESIDING OFFICER, THIS RULE IS REITERATED AS SHOWN IN THIS PRESENTATION ON THE BOCC RULES, RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CHAIR, IT WAS NOT DONE AND HAS NOT BEEN DONE HERE TODAY. WHY WAS THE CENTER MOTION ENTERED AND PASSED? WE DON'T KNOW, IT IS NOT CLEAR. THAT MOTION WAS NEVER STATED AND NEVER RESTATED. DURING THE COMMISSION OF COMMENTS, ALL WE HEARD WAS, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW. THE LAW MAY HAVE BEEN VIOLATED. IT MAY BE A VIOLATION. SINCE WHEN DO WE CONVICT PEOPLE ON MAYBE? MIGHT HAVE? RIDICULOUS.

COMMISSIONERS , COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WAS CENTERED ON A MAY BECOME A MIGHT HAVE, OR IT COULD BE , AND YOU WANT TO SPEND OUR MONEY TO HIRE ANOTHER ATTORNEY? WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY.

WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER ONE? FUNDED BY US. ABOUT $300 , $400 PER HOUR FOR A MAYBE? I TEACH CLASSES TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND WE ALSO HAVE RULES ON ENDORSING CANDIDATES WHILE REPRESENTING THE PARTY COMMITTEE, A LOT OF YOU KNOW THIS, THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE , A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ENDORSING A CANDIDATE AND PROVIDING A LIST OF CANDIDATES THAT ARE RUNNING IN RACES AS A PUBLIC SERVICE TO OUR SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS POSTS A CIRCULAR PUBLICATION THAT LISTS OFFICES UP TO REELECTION IN EVERY ELECTION CYCLE. THAT IS THE LIST COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WAS REFERENCING IN HER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS . IF YOU CENSOR HER FOR SHOWING THAT LIST, SHALL WE CENSOR OUR SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS FOR POSTING THAT LIST TO THE PUBLIC? IN SUMMARY, THIS MOTION WAS VIAENTERED BREAKING THE RULES OF THE BOCC, WE DON'T NEED YOU TO SAY, WE THINK SHE MAY HAVE BROKEN THE RULES, WE WILL RESEARCH IT BUT CENSURE HER ANYWAY, LET'S PUT SOMEBODY IN JAIL WITHOUT THEM KNOWING IF THEY ARE GUILTY, THAT IS NOT THE WAY WE OPERATE. YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS UP. I CANNOT BELIEVE IT. I AM STUNNED. PLEASE

REVERSE IT. THANK YOU. >>

>> MY NAME IS CHRIS. I LOVE WHERE I LIVE. I AM CLOSE TO THE

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CREEK. I WALK IN THOSE WOOD ALMOST EVERY DAY. MY GUT REACTION IS TO OPPOSE NEW PATHS. MY WORK TAKES ME ALL OVER THE STATE. IT FEELS GOOD TO GET BACK HOME BECAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED LOCALLY FOR A WHILE. ABOUT TIME I PAY ATTENTION TO MY OWN BACKYARD. I HAVE PEOPLE WITH SIMILAR THOUGHTS TO OPPOSE THIS PATHWAY. I WAS GRACIOUSLY RECEIVED BY COMMISSIONER DEAN THE OTHER DAY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PERSONAL APPOINTMENTS WITH YOU TO DISCUSS THIS. THE PATHS I WALK ON IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ARE DIRT , THE RAIN WATER FLOWS THROUGH. THERE IS TREE CANOPY OVERHEAD. EVERYTHING IS PROTECTED. IT IS MAGIC. I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. I WOULD LIKEPEOPLE TO ENJOY IT THE WAY I ENJOY IT. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES. ASPHALT IS NOT OUR FRIEND , IT IS TOTALLY NOT MY FRIEND. I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF ROOM FOR DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER DEAN DAVE GOOD DIRECTION AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH YOU ALL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE.

>> I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT A CASE I BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING WHERE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WERE CHOOSING NOT TO TAKE THE LEGAL ADVICE OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

I PRESENTED A LEDGER SHOWING THAT WE HAVE SPENT ABOUT $60,000 IN LEGAL FEES SO FAR. THIS PARTICULAR CASE, SOUTHEAST DEVELOPMENT VERSUS THE COUNTY OF ST. JOHN'S IS A CASE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND PUBLIC RECORDS. PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING. ONE MONUMENTAL BLUNDER THAT WAS REVEALED AS A RESULT OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST , WAS THAT THE COUNTY LOST A CHECK FOR $2.4 MILLION. THEY DID NOT DISOVER IT FOR NINE MONTHS. I AM GOING TO PUT UP SOME SLIDES SO PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU LOOK , THIS EMAIL WAS GENERATED ON MAY 12TH AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE COUNTY RECEIVED A CHECK FOR $2.4 MILLION. THE NEXT SLIDE I WILL PUT UP SHOWS THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM, THEY CANNOT FIND THE CHECK. I AM GOING TO THESE QUICKLY BECAUSE THREE MINUTES GOES BY FAST. HERE IS THE EMAIL THAT REFLECTS THE AMOUNT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN ESCROW, $5 MILLION , ON FEBRUARY 21ST, THEY COULD ONLY FIND $2.65 MILLION . THERE IS MONEY THAT HAS NOT GONE IN.

THE LAST SLIDE APPEARS THAT THE COUNTY HAD TO GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPER AND ASK FOR A CHECK TO BE REDRAFTED NINE MONTHS AFTER IT WAS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, THIS COMES FROM THE DISPOSITION UNDER OATH OF JESSE DUNN, QUESTION, THE COUNTY COULD NOT ASCERTAIN IT WAS CREDITED IT TO THE ROCK DOUBLE FROG ACCOUNT ? CORRECT, YOU HAD TO GET A NEW CHECK, RIGHT? YES, CORRECT . SITTING HERE TODAY, DOESN'T THAT CONCERN YOU IT TOOK NINE MONTHS TO FIGURE OUT , NOT ONLY WAS THE MONEY NOT MISSING BUT NEVER DEPOSITED IN THE COUNTY BANK ACCOUNT? YES, ABSOLUTELY. THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE PROVIDED NO REASONING FOR DECLINING TO TAKE THE ADVICE OF THEIR OWN COUNTY ATTORNEY WHICH IS PROBABLY DEVICE FROM THE PRIVATE COUNSEL YOU HIRED AS WELL. INSTEAD, WE HEARD THINGS LIKE, DECEPTIVE TACTICS OF COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST , SLIPPERY SLOPE FROM COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. I AM NOT DIRECTING IT AT THEM, THEY MADE THOSE COMMENTS. WE DESERVE

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IT! ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS CASE IS LIKELY TO COST US MUCH MORE THAN IF THE COUNTY

[5. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2023-10 Heritage Park PUD.]

I THINK YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION --

>> WELCOME BACK EVERYONE SAID THIS SAINT JOHNS -- IT IS 1:45 AND WE ARE GOING TO START WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE

>> IT IS QUALIFIED JUDICIAL COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> MEETING ON THURSDAY DECEMBER 7TH 2021 AT 12:30 P.M.

WITH JAMES WHITE HOUSE. I HAD A SITE VISIT DECEMBER 720 23 AT 3:00 P.M. BOARD PRESIDENT AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OTHER

PEOPLE THERE ALSO. >> COMMISSIONER --

>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I DID A HERITAGE PARK SITE VISIT ON WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 29TH AT 11:00 A.M. I MET WITH JERRY FAIREY THE PRESIDENT AND THE I MET WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT I BELIEVE OF THE BOARD. WE DISCUSSED THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING . I RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS REGARDING THIS ITEM.

MEETING ON THURSDAY DECEMBER 7TH AT 2:30 P.M. WITH JAMES WHITE HOUSE. WE TALKED ABOUT COMPATIBILITY OF THE PROJECT.

I ALSO HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH HIM AS WELL. ON FRIDAY DECEMBER 15TH TO KIND OF RUN THROUGH THE AGENDA ITEM AGAIN.

AND THAT'S IT. >> I ALSO HAD SEVERAL EMAILS ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I DROVE THROUGH THE SITE YESTERDAY.

DUE TO A SICK CHILD LAST WEEK BUT I DID HAVE A MEETING THURSDAY DECEMBER 7TH 2023 WITH JAMES WHITE HOUSE AND STAFF.

WE DISCUSSED THE CONDITIONAL PCA APPROVAL OF THE RENTAL TERMS AND THE HEIGHT OF THE DECREASE IN HEIGHT.

COMMISSIONER WHITE HOUSE. >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR THURSDAY DECEMBER 7TH AT APPROXIMATELY 2:00 P.M. I MET WITH JAMES WHITE HOUSE AND OUR STAFF IN THE OFFICE. TO DISCUSS THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. MR. WHITE HOUSE TOLD ME WHY THE APPLICANT WANTED TO MAKE THE CHANGES. THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING. THEN ON DECEMBER 13TH APPROXIMATELY 11:00 A.M. I MET ON SITE AT THE HERITAGE CLUBHOUSE WITH JERRY FAIREY AND THEIR CF AND ANOTHER MEMBER OF THEIR BOARD. WE WALKED THE SITE AND EXPLAIN WHY THEY THOUGHT IT WAS MY COMPATIBLE. WE DISCUSSED TRAFFIC. THEY DISCUSSED WHAT HAD BEEN ENVISIONED IN THE PAST AND WHY THEY WERE OPPOSING IT.

I RECEIVED ALL THE EMAILS. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN

>> YES, NOVEMBER 8TH 2023 AT 1:00 I MET WITH JERRY FAIREY AND JOY RIVERA AND KRISTIN CHAPMAN ON SITE. WE WALKED THE PROPERTY AND WE DISCUSSED COMPATIBILITY. WE DISCUSSED DRAINAGE. PARKING. THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED MULTIPLE FAMILY UNITS. THEN ON WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 6TH AT 4:00 I MET WITH JAMES WHITE HOUSE AND SEVERAL STAFF JAMES REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. DISCUSSING PRETTY MUCH THE SAME ISSUES. THE

RESULT OF THE PCA MEETING. >> MR. WHITE HOUSE

>> COMMISSIONER MAY I BRING IN THE ISSUE. POPPED UP HERE REGARDING AS FAR AS BEING -- IN THIS CASE. AS YOU KNOW THIS IS A QUALIFIED JUDICIAL HEARING. RECORDED BY THE FULL RECORD.

I NEED TO GET A CONVERSATION WITH MISS I DON'T KNOW YOUR

LAST NAME. >> BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS IN 2016 THE BOARD MADE A CHANGE TO ITS POLICY REGARDING HAVING A NOTICE IF YOU WANT TO BE A PARTY BEING NOTICED I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. I DON'T THINK IT WAS PASSED BY ORDINANCE. SORT OF MORE OF A COURTESY NOTICE.

BASICALLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO FILE AN APPEARANCE -- A COURTESY. I LIVE IN THAT AREA. ALSO PART OF THAT A. I GUESS WHAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS TRYING TO SAY THERE ARE -- PROCEDURES FOR CONVENIENCE SAKE -- CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT FEDERAL CONSTITUTION ALSO THE STATE CONSTITUTION. WHICH I THINK IS A LOSIN ARGUMENT FOR THEM. HOWEVER AT THE SAME POINT I UNDERSTAND THE BOARD HAS TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT ISSUE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ADOPT A POSITION SHE IS MAKING SO I CAN APPEAL THIS TO JUDGE -- TO A FEDERAL COURT BY NEED TO. IN FACT IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR ORDINANCE IN YOUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ORDINANCE SHE HAS NO RIGHT TO MAKE THAT CALL. SHE IS OUTSIDE THE LINE OF DUTY. THAT IS DETERMINED BY YOUR COUNTY ADMINISTERED. THAT DETERMINATION I WILL APPEAL THAT TO THE BOARD. WE ARE -- JUST TO BE ON THE SIDE NOTE,

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[INAUDIBLE] PUBLICCOMMENT. SHE PULLED ME OUT AND BACK.

GAVE ME THE RIOT ACT AND SET KIND OF YOU DID NOT DO THIS THIS AND THIS. WE REQUIRE THIS THIS AND THIS. TO ME IF I WASN'T AN ATTORNEY AND DID NOT PUSH BACK AS A PERSON A RESIDENT THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE LEFT AND NOT COME TO THIS

BOARD. WHICH IS INAPPROPRIATE. >> CAN I HEAR FROM MISS -- I KNOW WE HAVE RULES AND POLICIES FOR A REASON. PLEASE

EXPAND ON THAT. >> WE DO. CHRISTINE VALUE COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR THE RECORD. THE BOARD HAS POLICIES REGARDING PARTY INTERVENERS AND SPECIFICALLY ADVERSELY AFFECTED PARTIES. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COLDS SPECIFICALLY SECTION 9.07 .01 PROVIDES A DEFINITION FOR ADVERSELY AFFECTED PARTIES. THE SAME DEFINITION THAT IS IN THE COMMUNITY PLANNING ACTS. SECTION 163.3212 FLORIDA STATUTES. IT IS THE BURDEN ON THE PARTY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY MEET THAT LEGAL DEFINITION. AS PART OF A QUALIFIED JUDICIAL PROCEEDING AND ENSURING THAT THE PROCESS IS PROVIDED TO ALL PARTIES, THERE IS A BOARD POLICY WHICH REQUIRES A PARTY WISHING TO INTERVENE TO NOTIFIED THE COUNTY AT LEAST EIGHT DAYS PRIOR TO THE HEARING. TO PROVIDE THE EXPLANATION THE LEGAL ANALYSIS AS TO WHY THEY QUALIFY FOR THAT DEFINITION. THAT IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL THE PARTIES INVOLVED INCLUDING THE APPLICANT TO BE ON NOTICE.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN OR NOT HAPPEN AT THE HEARING. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PRIOR NOTIFICATION OTHER THAN MR. -- COMING TO THE MEETING THIS MORNING AND SAYING HE IS AN ADVERSELY AFFECTED PARTY JUST BECAUSE HE LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> THANK YOU. >> MR. WHITE HOUSE.

>> YES MA'AM. FOR THE RECORD JAMES WHITE HOUSE 104 MAIN STREET IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FLORIDA. I'M RECOGNIZES THE EXPERT LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW. I AM HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY ON MAJOR MODIFICATION 2023 E- 10 HERITAGE PARK PUD. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE HEART FAMILY WHERE THE DESIGNERS FOUNDERS AND DEVELOPERS OF THE HERITAGE PARK PUD BACK IN 2000. I HAVE BEEN INVESTED IN THAT PUD FOR THE LAST ALMOST 25 YEARS.

AGAIN THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL EVER REDUCTION AND THEN SINCE IT NEEDS A PARTIAL BEAT WITHIN THAT PUD. REPLACING THE APPROVED 7200 SQUARE FOOT DAYCARE USE WITH AN ARCHITECTURALLY PLEASING MULTI FAMILY USE. THIS LOCATION IS NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE ACTUALLY.

DOWN LEWIS SPEEDWAY. IT IS APPROXIMATELY AT THE JUST PAST THE INTERSECTION GOING WEST ON WOODLAWN. IT IS THIS WHOLE AREA HERE. AGAIN THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE SOUTH WITHIN THAT -- WITHIN THAT PUD DO THEIR IS TWO SECTIONS TO THIS PUD. I WILL SHOW YOU ON THE MAP ANY SECOND. LET ME TELL YOU THIS VERSE. WE ARE WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE WHICH IS AN APPROPRIATE LAND USE. FOR THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST. WE ARE IN THE PUD ZONING OF THE HERITAGE PARK PUD. THIS IS THE MVP MAP. FOR THE PUD ITSELF AS YOU CAN SEE.

THIS IS WOODLAWN AS IT WRAPS AROUND FROM LEWIS SPEEDWAY BACK OUT TO STATE ROAD 16 WHICH IS ON THE BOTTOM. OF YOUR OFF THE SCREEN. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO THIS PUD. BOTH HAVE AN ENTRANCE. THIS PARTICULAR ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE EAST SIDE AND EAST ENTRANCE TO THAT PUD. IT HAS THIS ONE ENTRANCE UP HERE AND THIS IS THE PARTIAL UP IN THE FRONT BY WHAT THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE FIELDS ARE. YOU CAN SEE THIS BLOWN UP ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE. IT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE EAST ENTRANCE TO THE PUD. IT IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU COME TO. PAST THE STORM WATER PONDS AND WHERE THIS IS WHERE THE CLUBHOUSE IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW. THE RECREATIONAL FIELDS INGRAIN. THIS PARTIAL IS LIGHT BLUE. CIRCLE HERE ON. THIS IS AN AERIAL OF IT. YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THIS IS THE INTERSECTION WITH WOODLAWN. THIS IS A STOP SIGN SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION. THERE IS NO CYCLIZATION ALONG WOODLAWN ROAD. AND YOU CAN SEE THE FIELDS AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THIS LARGE PARCEL IN COMPARISON TO THE AREAS AROUND IT. THIS REQUEST AS I SAID IS AN APPROVAL FOR A REDUCTION IN INTENSITY TO REMOVE THE APPROVED DAYCARE USE WHICH IS ALLOWED CURRENTLY. TO DIVIDE THE PARCEL B AND TO ADD THE 12 MULTI FAMILY UNITS WHICH IS IN

TWO BUILDINGS. >> THIS YOU SEE THE PROJECT HISTORY THIS IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. IT IS CUT AND PASTED. I WILL GO THROUGH IT FOR ONE SECOND. IT WAS APPROVED IN 2000. INITIAL APPROVAL WAS FOR 774 UNITS. 386 SINGLE-FAMILY

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UNITS AND 388 MULTI FAMILY UNITS. IN 2002 THERE AFTER IT WAS MODIFIED STILL WITH 774 UNITS. BUT 24 UNITS WERE CONVERTED FROM MULTI FAMILY TO SINGLE-FAMILY. IN 2004 IT WAS MODIFIED AGAIN. THIS WAS DURING THE TIME. THE SINGLE-FAMILY OBVIOUSLY WAS IN HIGH DEMAND IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. SO YOU SEE THERE WAS OVERAL REDUCTION IN THE 774 UNITS BY 71 UNITS TO 703 UNITS. IT WAS CONVERSION AND ADDITION OF 145 TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY SIDE AND A REDUCTION OF THE 354 TO 148 MULTI FAMILY UNITS. ADDING 7200 SQUARE FEET THE COMMERCIAL DAYCARE IN THIS ONE PARCEL IN THE FRONT. I WILL GO BACK TO THE PUD MAP FOR A MINUTE. BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT ORIGINALLY THIS WAS ORIGINALLY WHEN IT WAS APPROVED YOU SEE HER SO IT E1 E TO APPEAR. WHICH OF RIGHT ADJACENT TO WHERE THIS PARCEL IS. THOSE WERE MULTI FAMILY. THOSE OTHER TWO POTS THAT WERE CONVERTED TO SINGLE-FAMILY. BACK IN THE DAY THIS PARCEL MAP IS CURRENTLY ALL MULTI FAMILY. AND THE UNITS THEMSELVES THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ARE EXACTLY WHAT THE BUILDINGS ON THIS PARCEL THAT ARE PROPOSED ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

>> ON THIS AS I SAID --'S MODIFICATION IS JUST TO ADD THE 12 MULTI FAMILY UNITS AND TWO BUILDINGS. AND TO REMOVE THE COMMERCIAL DAYCARE USE AND IT'S MULTIPLE CORRESPONDING A.M. AND P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS WHICH I WILL GET INTO ANY MOMENT. AS I SAID THIS WAS THE PUD MAP WITH THE SHOWING WHERE THE PARCEL IS IN THE FRONT. THIS IS THE PROPOSED DAYCARE THAT IS APPROVED ON THIS SITE. AND HAS BEEN APPROVED SINCE 2004. AS YOU CAN SEE THIS IS OVER AND AERIALS YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE HOUSES ARE. YOU SEE WHERE THE MULTIPURPOSE TRAIL IS THAT IS CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE AND WILL REMAIN EVEN WITH THE NEW MODIFICATION. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE BUILDING IS. PARKING COMING OFF THE DRIVEWAY HERE THAT GOES INTO THE CLUBHOUSE.

RECREATIONAL AREA IN THE BACK FOR THE DAY CARE CENTER. THIS WILL ALSO HAVE LIGHTING AND DUMPSTERS AND IT IS A FULL COMMERCIAL USE. THAT IS APPROVED CURRENTLY. YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A COMPARISON I HAVE A BLOWUP OF THIS IN THE MINUTE. A COMPARISON OF HOW -- USES FIT ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL. THE PARCEL IS ALMOST IS ABOUT 1 POINT FOR ACRES IN SIZE. YOU CAN SEE HOW THESE THE MULTI FAMILY UNITS THAT ARE PROPOSED FIT ONTO PARTICULAR PARCEL. THEY HAVE DRIVEWAYS. THEY HAVE GARAGES. AND IT IS ACTUALLY LESS IMPACT ON THIS PARTICULAR AREA BECAUSE YOU DRIVE IN TO THE AREA HERE FOR YOUR DRIVEWAYS AND YOUR GARAGES. THIS IS A BLOWUP YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AT PCA ABOUT THIS PARKING AREA HERE. I'M GOING TO ADDRESS IT. I THINK THERE WAS SOME MISCONCEPTIONS PROBABLY BECAUSE I DID NOT EXPLAIN IT WELL ENOUGH. THIS PARKING IS STILL AS YOU SEE FROM YOUR PDU IS STILL REMAINING IN USE FOR THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE FACILITIES. THEY ARE ARE ASKING -- BY THE WAY YOU SEE THE BLUE OUTLINE HERE. THAT IS THEIR PARCEL. THIS IS THEIR PROPERTY THEY HAVE OWNED SINCE 2000 EVEN AFTER THE TRANSFER OF THE HLA OVER TO THE OWNERS. AND SO THESE PARKING SPOTS WHICH THEY BUILT WHEN THEY BUILT THE CLUBHOUSE THEMSELVES AND THEY BUILT THE RECREATIONAL FIELDS WERE ALREADY ON THEIR PROPERTY. THEY BUILT THESE AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE IT WAS EASIER TO BUILD THE WHOLE PARKING LOT.

MAKE NO MISTAKE THESE ARE THERE PARKING SPOTS AND THESE ARE ON THEIR PARCEL. THE FACT IS THIS PUD MAKES IT CLEAR THIS MODIFICATION MAKES IT CLEAR ALL OF THESE SPACES WILL CONTINUE TO BE ALLOWED AS SHARED FOR USE BY THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE RECREATIONAL FIELDS FOR THE COMMUNITY ITSELF. ONLY THREE SPACES AND THESE ARE LISTED AS GUEST SPACES. BECAUSE THESE MULTI FAMILY UNITS HAVE GARAGES. AND HALF DRIVEWAYS WHERE THEY CAN PARK. SO THESE ARE JUST OVERFLOW IF THERE IS POSSIBILITY OF GUESTS. AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THE OVERHEAD HERE WHICH CLEARLY SHOWS HOW IT IS LOCATED CLOSE TO THE EXIT.

HOW IT IS LOCATED ON THE AREA WHERE THE CLUBHOUSE IS. ETC.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THE FACT SEE THIS WITHIN YOUR STAFF REPORT. YOUR EXPERT STAFF HAS EVALUATED THIS. TRANSPORTATION CURRENCY DIVISION REVIEW FIND THAT AS SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION FROM THIS 1700 SQUARE FOOT DAYCARE FACILITY, WITH THIS PARTICULAR MODIFICATION. THAT THEY CARE FACILITY WAS ESTIMATED TO GENERATE 343 WEEKDAY TRIPS.

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AND SIX DURING THE P.M. A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION FROM THE FACILITY. WE ALSO HAVE WITHIN YOUR STAFF REPORT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ANALYSIS THAT WAS SENT. THIS PARTICULAR MODIFICATION HELPS TO REDUCE THE AREA OF ROADWAY DEFICIENCIES. IN THE STAFF REPORT THERE IS AN AREA THAT SHOWS THE EFFICIENCIES IN THIS AREA. THE REDUCTION OF OVER 250 TRIPS WITH THIS APPLICATION AND A REDUCTION OF 80 TRIPS IN THE MORNING AND ANY TRIPS AT NIGHT ON THAT INTERSECTION THAT I SHOWED YOU EARLIER. IS NEARLY A STOP SIGN COMING OUT OF THE SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THERE ARE NO SIGNALS TO TRACK IT. 80 TRIPS IN THE MORNING AND 80 TRIPS AT NIGHT FROM THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION. A TRAGEDY FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS AREA. THAT IS APPROVED NOW, THAT IS NOTHING THEY HAVE TO ASK FOR. IN SUMMARY, THIS IS TO REDUCE THE INTENSITY TO ALLOW THE MULTI FAMILY UNITS AND TO REMOVE THOSE TRIPS. IT IS REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE WHY YOU ARE PLANNING FOR THE ZONING AGENCY THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL.

IN RESPONSE TO THE DISCUSSION IN THE PUBLIC REQUEST, THE OWNERS ADVISED THE PUD AND REMOVED ANY LANGUAGE REGARDING RENTAL UNITS. THE DISCUSSION AND REQUESTED UPDATES REMOVING THE COMMERCIAL DAY CARE USE WITH COMPATIBLE MULTIFAMILY USE WAS FOUND MORE COMPATIBLE. THAT WAS THE MAJORITY THAT RECOMMENDED TO BO ON THIS APPROVAL. THE COMMERCIAL IMPACT THAT IS IN THE AREA TO PROVIDE MORE APPROPRIATE TRANSPORTATION IN THE AREA. HERE TO REQUEST THIS MODIFICATION IN LINE WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. WITH THE SIZE AND LOCATION OF THE SURROUNDING PROPOSALS FOR APPROVAL. THEY ASK YOU TO ALLOW THEM TO MODIFY AND REMOVE THIS FOR USE. 80 IN THE MORNING AND 80 AT NIGHT TO ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY USE AS PROPOSED. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

>> ARE THESE GOING TO BE RENTAL UNITS?

>> THEY WOULD LIKE TO SELL THEM.

>> INDIVIDUALLY OR ALL THE UNITS AT ONCE?

>> ARE THEY RENTAL UNITS OR THEY ARE INDIVIDUAL FOR PEOPLE

TO BUY EACH ONE? >> THEY WOULD LIKE TO SELL THEM INDIVIDUALLY OR TOGETHER TO SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BUY THEM AND OWNED THEM. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE LANGUAGE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ALLOWS THE RENTAL UNITS TO HAVE THE FULL DEVELOPMENT. NOT SHORT-TERM, CAN BE LONG-TERM. THEY WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME REGULATIONS AS EVERYONE ELSE AND IF THEY WERE RENTED, THEY WOULD BE LONG-TERM RENTALS.

>> I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY ASK THE SAME THING. REMOVING THE RENTAL LANGUAGE. I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION OF THAT.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. WHEN THE PAPERWORK WAS ORIGINALLY FILED, THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE PUT IN THAT THESE WOULD BE FOR RENT ONLY. THE OWNERS HAD NO INTENT TO DO THAT. AND I WAS TOLD BY THEM DURING THEIR DISCUSSIONS THAT THEY WANT TO REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE. YOU CAN SEE THE LANGUAGES NOT WITHIN THE

DOCUMENT. >> CAN I CLARIFY? HE JUST SAID THAT IF SOMEBODY COMES TO BUY THEM, YOU CAN RENOVATE. THEY WILL NEVER BE RENTALS? THEY WILL JUST BE MULTI FAMILY

HOMES? >> AN ENTIRE COMPANY THAT COMES IN TO BUY THE BUILDING. THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING.

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>> THAT IS A LITTLE CONVOLUTED, I SUPPOSE. THE LANGUAGES THAT ONE PERSON CAN'T OWN ALL OF THEM. THAT'S WHY I TRIED TO

EXPLAIN IT FURTHER. >> ANYONE CAN COME IN AND BUY ALL OF THEM. YOU SAID THAT BEFORE YOU ANSWERED.

>> ANYONE CAN COME IN THERE AND BY 12 HOUSES. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. THERE IS NO INTENT TO SELL IT TO A COMPANY TO RENT IT OUT TO APARTMENTS. THEY LIKELY, THEY CAN, THEY MIGHT, THEY WILL? THEY CAN. I WANT TO NAIL DOWN IF THIS WILL BE 12

RENTALS. THAT'S ALL. >> I'M NOT TRYING TO BE COY ABOUT IT. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THEY WILL WANT TO SELL THEM AND SOMEBODY ELSE OWNS THEM. ONLY ONE PERSON CAN COME IN AND BUY ALL 12 OF THEM? I GUESS THEY COULD. IT'S NOT TO A MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. THEY WILL BE UNDER SEPARATE OWNERSHIP. EACH ONE.

>> WHAT WOULD BE THE PRICE POINT FOR THE UNITS?

>> I'M NOT SURE, LET ME LOOK AT THAT WITH THEM.

>> MS. VALERIE, WITH THIS BEING ZONED COMMERCIAL, CAN THEY DO

THIS WITHOUT BOARD APPROVAL? >> THEY CAN, THANK YOU.

>> THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD. THE FAMILY HAS DEVELOPED THIS FROM THE BEGINNING. WITH ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY CANNOT DO THAT. THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED HERE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THESE UNITS THAT ARE UP FOR MODIFICATION IN 2010 AND 2004. WITH THOSE MODIFICATIONS, THOSE UNITS WERE DUE. WERE ANY OF THE ADDITIONAL UNITS DESIGNED TO GO

ON THIS PARCEL? >> AS I STATED EARLIER, THIS SECTION HERE WAS ALL FAMILY. MOST LIKELY IT WAS THE SECOND ONE. THIS PARCEL WAS INCLUDED IN THOSE AREAS. I DON'T HAVE THE DESIGN WITH ME FROM 2000. ALL THE ADJACENT AREAS IN THIS WHOLE SECTION APPEAR WERE ALL GOING TO BE FAMILY INITIALLY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT CHANGES HERE, MOST LIKELY IT WAS IN 2004.

WHEN IT WAS REDUCED TO 140 ACRES. I DON'T KNOW.

>> YOU ARE NOT SURE? >> I'M NOT TOO SURE ON THIS

ONE. >> SOME OF THEM ARE MULTI

FAMILY? Ú>> ON THIS PARCEL.

>> IF WE COULD HAVE SOMEONE LOOK INTO IT FROM 2000 BEFORE THE REDUCTION. THAT WOULD HELP ME IN MAKING UP MY MIND. THERE IS ALSO THE QUESTION OF PARKING FOR THESE 12 UNITS. HOW MUCH VISITOR PARKING IS PLANNED ON SITE? THE MAJORITY OF THE CLUBHOUSE PARKING WILL STILL BE USED. WITH MULTI FAMILY, HOW

MANY VISITOR PARKING SPOTS? >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT EVERYTHING THEY NEED IS CONTAINED WITHIN HERE. I'M SORRY, LET ME TRY TO GET TO THAT. I THINK IT'S IN YOUR PACKET WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT IT. WITHIN THE PROPOSED MAP, AND THE EXISTING BOUNDARY, THE APPLICANT PARKING SPACES AND 11 ARE NONDESIGNATED AND THREE OF THEM ARE NEEDED FOR THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. THREE OF THOSE ARE FOR THE GUEST PARKING. THE REST OF THEM ARE PUT WITHIN THE LANGUAGE AND THOSE ARE ALL -- THEIR INTENT IS TO USE ALL OF THEM FOR THE CLUBHOUSE.

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>> 14 PARKING SPACES ALLOCATED FOR THE PARCEL AND THEN THREE ADDITIONAL OUTSIDE. NUVEEN TWO FOR EACH UNIT. 24. NUVEEN FOR THE RECORD, I AM SELENA RANDOLPH. TWO OR THREE PER

THREE BEDROOM UNIT. YES. >> THREE GUEST PARKING SPACES?

>> YES. YES. THAT IS MY ONLY QUESTION, THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

DID YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO MY FIRST QUESTION?

>> I HAVE A COPY OF THE 2000 ORDINANCE FROM WHEN IT WAS FIRST CREATED. OKAY. CAN WE ZOOM WAY IN? IT IS REALLY HARD TO READ. I PRINTED IT ON A SMALL PIECE OF PAPER. OUR SITE IS IN THIS AREA RAY HERE. THESE UNITS, I CANNOT SEE WHAT THIS SAYS. THESE UNITS LOOK LIKE MULTI FAMILY. THESE ARE SMALL SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS. IF THIS IS THE CORRECT SPACE, IT LOOKS

LIKE IT IS MULTI FAMILY. >> RIGHT NOW, CAN YOU PUT THE MAP UP RIGHT NOW? PUD? THOSE ARE ALL SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON THE UPPER RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. HOW FAR AWAY ARE THE MULTI FAMILY UNITS? THEY LOOK LIKE THEY ARE COMPLETELY

ENCAPSULATED IN AN AREA. >> THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE EARLIER. THIS SECTION HERE FOR THE POINTER, THIS AREA APPEAR IN THIS AREA APPEAR ARE ALL MULTI FAMILY.

THIS AREA HERE WAS REDESIGNED TO HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY OVER HERE AND SINGLE-FAMILY DOWN HERE. AT THAT SAME TIME, THESE FIELDS WERE ORGANIZED HERE WITH THIS PIECE HERE.

>> THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALL THERE ARE SINGLE-FAMILY. THEY ALL THINK THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL PIECE BEHIND THEM AND THEN IT WILL BE THE SAME THING THAT IS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY, HOW FAR AWAY IS THAT? THE MULTI FAMILY IS SEPARATE FROM ALL THOSE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

>> THAT'S RAY. THIS COMMERCIAL PIECE WHERE THE DAY CARE IS GOING TO BE. THIS IS WHERE THE HOUSES ARE, THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL PIECE. PLAYGROUND, PARKING, DUMPSTER.

>> COULD THEY DO THREE HOMES THERE THAT FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER HOMES IN THE AREA? OR

SELL IT TO THE HOA. >> WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY REAL

TRACTION WITH THE HOA. >> I KNOW WE HAVE FIVE DESIGNATED SPEAKERS AND DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVES.

>> WE CAN START WITH SARAH. OKAY. AND MS. ABERCROMBIE HAS

FIVE MINUTES. >> I LIVE AT 609 NORTH ANDERSON WAY. THESE FAMILY UNITS WILL BE THREE FEET FROM MY BACKYARD. WE MOVED HERE FROM SARASOTA ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO. WITH MY PARENTS. WE HAVE TWO HOMES IN THIS AREA. WE SPENT ABOUT A YEAR SEARCHING FLORIDA FOR THE PERFECT PLACE TO LIVE. WE

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WANTED A QUIET AND TRANQUIL AREA. I AM A THERAPIST AND I WORK WITH AT RISK KIDS. I NEEDED A QUIET AREA TO WORK. MY HUSBAND IS THE EX-U.S. NAVY. WE NEEDED A QUIET PLACE TO LIVE.

REMOVED IN AND THIS FIT THE BILL. WE LOOKED ALL OVER FLORIDA. WE LOOKED IN SAINT AUGUSTINE AND HERITAGE PARK.

WHAT THE ORIGINAL HAD PLANNED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

EVERYTHING WE FOUND, WE LOVED IT. IT WAS TRANQUIL WITH LOTS OF WALKING TRAILS. THEN COME TO FIND OUT THAT IT WAS NOT OWNED BY THE HOA AND WE HAVE CONTACTED AN ATTORNEY TO TALK ABOUT THE DEVALUATION OF OUR HOME. BECAUSE IT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. COMPARED WITH WHAT TOMES HAVE SOLD, WE ARE GOING TO LOSE SOME MONEY. REALLY, WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT WE UNDERSTAND AS RESIDENTS THAT THEY OWN THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE OBJECTING TO. WE ARE OBJECTING TO THE ANTITHESIS OF WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING OUR HERITAGE PARK. WE SPOKE TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE COULD 9:00 A.M. ON A WEEKDAY. MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE AND HERITAGE PARK WILL WORK. IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE REPRESENTING THIS DEVELOPMENT. EVERY SINGLE PERSON WE SPOKE TO SAID THAT IF THIS DEVELOPMENT -- NEITHER WOULD WE, NEITHER WITH MY PARENTS. IF THE DEVELOPMENT IS AS THE ATTORNEY MENTIONED PHILIP MILLER TO THE VILLAS, THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT. THIS IS THE RATIO OF GREEN SPACE AROUND THE VILLAS. IT IS LESS THAN ONE ACRE OF LAND. IT IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFERENT. IT WILL BE COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. EVEN THE VILLAS THAT WE HAVE, IT WILL NOT LOOK LIKE THIS. WE WANT TO KEEP THE RATIO OF GREEN SPACE TO BUILDINGS THE SAME. THE PEOPLE THAT I DO HAVE SIGNATURES FOR FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE ALSO QUESTIONING THE PARKING. WE HAVE 700 CONSTITUENTS THAT LIVE IN HERITAGE PARK. WE ARE LIMITING THEIR ACCESS. INCLUDING A POOL. WHERE IS EVERYONE GOING TO PARK? IF ONE HOME IS A RENTAL. YOU CAN HAVE SIX CARS FOR THAT ONE UNIT. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MANAGE THE PARKING? I WROTE LETTERS TO YOU ALL. ANOTHER THING IS THE DRAINAGE. I HAVE SEND YOU ALL PICTURES OF THE RAIN BETWEEN ME AND MY NEIGHBORS. THERE WERE THREE INCHES OF WATER OVERNIGHT. WHERE IS ALL THAT WATER GOING TO GO? AGAIN, OUR MAIN ISSUE IS THAT IT IS INCOMPATIBLE. WE KNOW THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BUILD SOMETHING. IT'S THE BUILDING THAT THEY ARE

TRYING TO PUT UP THERE. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> ROBERT ABERCROMBIE. HE HAS 10 MINUTES.

>> 10 MINUTES. >> OKAY. MELINDA HOUSTON. SHE IS NOT HERE. DAVID SANDERS. AND THEN ROBERT DEVENS. MR.

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SANDERS? OKAY. >> 10 MINUTES. OKAY. GREAT. I AM DR. DAVID SANDERS. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR HEARING US.

WE ARE NOT HAPPY AT ALL WITH THE RESULTS OF THE NEW ZONING COMMISSION. I REPRESENT 50 PEOPLE ASSIGNED TO HAVE ME SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF. SHE'S TALKING ABOUT SIGNATURES FOR 100 PEOPLE. WHEN YOU GO OUT AND TALK TO PEOPLE, ONE OUT OF THREE PEOPLE THAT TALK TO YOU GET THERE. IT IS THREE TIMES THAT MANY. HAVING TO GO OUT IN THE HALL WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM OUR COMMUNITY THAT OBJECTS TO THIS CONSTRUCTION.

NO ONE WAS IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS PROJECT. THERE WERE COUPLE POINTS THAT WERE MADE AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WERE NOT REFLECTED IN THE DECISION FROM THE ZONING COMMISSION. THE FIRST ONE IS PROBABLY MY FAULT FOR NOT GETTING THE POINT ACROSS. THE PLAN YOU ARE SEEING IS DEPENDENT ON THOSE PARKING LOTS. THE OWNERSHIP THAT I WILL PUT IN GREAT QUOTES. DO NOT BELONG TO THE PERSON WHO IS REQUESTING THIS CHANGE. THOSE WERE ACQUIRED THROUGH AN AGREEMENT CALLED NONEXCLUSIVE PARKING EASEMENT. A SIGN IN 2006. THAT AGREEMENT THAT I PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING. THAT AGREEMENT WAS MADE BY A PERSON WHO WAS THE DEVELOPER AT THE TIME WHO WAS THE HEAD OF THE HOA. HE GRANTED THE EASEMENT AND THERE IS NO CONSIDERATION OR EXCHANGE OF GOODS. HE TOOK A PARCEL OF LAND AND GRANTED IT TO HIMSELF FOR THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY. THAT IS NOT VALID. VIOLATING FEDERAL LAW, U.S. LAW AND FLORIDA STATE LAW. IF THERE WAS ANY APPLIED USE IN THIS COUNTRY, IT WAS THAT THE USE WOULD BE A DAY CARE CENTER.

WHICH TO SOME DEGREE BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY. THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. IT BENEFITS HIM PERSONALLY.

NOT CONSIDERING THAT AT THE PRIOR MEETING, IT SHOULD'VE BEEN CONSIDERED BECAUSE THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS BASED ON THOSE PARKING LOTS BEING AVAILABLE. THEY ARE NOT.

THE HOA WOULD BE WELL WITHIN ITS RIGHT TO TAKE IT TO COURT.

THERE WERE ANOTHER TWO ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP WHICH COULD'VE BEEN MADE MORE CLEAR AT THE TIME. THOSE ISSUES ARE WHETHER OR NOT THIS PARCEL OF LAND IS INCLUDED IN THE HOA.

IT IS PART OF THE DISCUSSION IN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF. IT HAS TO BE MANAGED BY THE HOA. THERE IS A SECOND HOA WHICH REPRESENTS THOSE PEOPLE IN TOWN HOMES. WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THAN THE HOA THAT PEOPLE THEY ARE STILL FOLLOW THE MAIN HOA RULES THAT ADDRESS THINGS SUCH AS WHAT THE

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APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE. WHAT PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO DO AND WHAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OWNERS AND THE BUILDERS. PEOPLE WHO HAVE BOUGHT THE VILLAS AND TOWNHOMES, THEY KNOW THAT THOSE RULES WILL APPLY TO THEM. THEY TRAVEL WITH THE TITLE TO THE LAND. THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO THE BUILDINGS HE IS PLANNING TO BUILD. HOW DOES THE HOA REGULATE WHAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE DOING? AND WHAT THOSE BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE AND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH RECOGNITION ON THE RULES THAT APPLY TO THE VILLAS. HE IS PREPARED TO MAKE HIS OWN RULES TO APPLY TO HIS OWN PARCEL. ALL THOSE ISSUE SHOULD'VE BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMITTEE.

IF YOU NEED A REASON TO DENY THIS, I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE THESE ARE NOT CONSIDERED IN TIME. AND NOW YOU CAN CONSIDER THEM AS I AM PRESENTING THEM TO YOU.

INAUDIBLE ] THERE ARE 700 HOMES IN HERITAGE PARK. THE QUESTION BECOMES, WILL THE COUNTY OF ST. JOHN'S ALLOW A DEVELOPMENT AFTER 15 YEARS AND A CHANGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SO THEY CAN PUT IN WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER AS APARTMENT RENTALS? THEY ARE NOT RENTALS. I'M NOT SEEING ANY WORDING THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THEY WILL NOT BE USED AS APARTMENT RENTALS. IT IS ALL CONDENSED WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMMUNITY. SUDDENLY, THERE ARE MULTIPLE FAMILY HOMES AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE LIVED IN THE VILLAS AND THE TOWNHOMES WHERE I ORIGINALLY LIVED IN THE VILLAS. AND WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS PARKING PROBLEM.

PEOPLE DO NOT PARK THEIR CARS IN THEIR GARAGE IN THE FIRST PLACE. AS DO MANY HOMES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THEY PARK THEIR CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY. A FOUR BEDROOM HOME WITH ONE PARKING SPACE IN THE DRIVEWAY. HUSBANDS, WIVES, THEIR KIDS GROW UP TO BE TEENAGERS THAT WANT TO HAVE CARS AND THERE ARE NO PARKING SPACES. EVEN THE PLACES THAT CONTROL HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE NEEDED FOR COMMUNITIES, THEY ARE INSUFFICIENT. IT SHOULD BE BASED ON HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE THERE AND WHAT THEIR DENSITY IS. THE REGULATION IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO COVER THAT. AS I POINTED OUT EARLIER, TAKE AWAY THAT CONTRACT AND THE EXCLUSIVE ACCESS TO THE PARKING AND THEY DON'T EVEN MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THEY ARE BUILDING. DENIED PURELY ON THE FACT THEY DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING FACILITIES. THE MAIN POINT IS WE DON'T NEED TO BE A COUNTY WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME ALONG TO A NICE QUIET COMMUNITY AND BUILD AN APARTMENT BUILDING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR COMMUNITY. THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE THE SAME POSITION. WHEN THEY FIND OUT THAT THE BOARD AND THIS COMMISSION ALLOWS BUILDERS TO BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND YOU ARE NOT GOING

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TO GET ELECTED. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AND DENY

THIS. >> THE LAST DESIGNATED

REPRESENTATIVE, 10 MINUTES. >> ROBERT DEVENS. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE MY PRESENTATION. THE LAYOUT OF THE FACILITY IN REGARDS TO THE HOMES AND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. WE WANT TRANSPARENCY AS NEEDED. IT WILL NOT SHOW ANYTHING ADJACENT TO IT. NOT SHOWING THE ADJACENT HOMES ON THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS THAT HE WILL HAVE ON THESE RESIDENTS IS NOT APPROPRIATE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT DOES NOT SHOW ANY ADJACENT PROPERTY.

THIS SHOWS THE DEVELOPERS PLAN AND SHOWS THE COMPLEX. IT WAS CROPPED AND SCALED AND ORIENTED FOR THIS AREA. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. THIS SLIDE SHOWS HOW IMPORTANT THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES TO ADJACENT HOMES.

THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS HOW BIG THE DISTANCES BETWEEN THE HOMES IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. WHEN IT COMES TO A FOOTBALL FIELD, A HOUSE BEING ON THE GOAL LINE AND THE OTHER HOUSES BEING ON THE 25 YARD LINE. THEY CAN CONSTRUCT UNITS 35 FEET HIGH.

THAT IS A THREE-STORY BUILDING. ONLY PROVIDING 225,000 SQUARE FEET AND A ONE CAR GARAGE. THAT IS A PRETTY SMALL FACILITY FOR 3-4 BEDROOMS. A 2000 SQUARE FOOT LIVING AREA AND YOU'RE LIVING WITH A TOTAL OF 25 FEET. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE -- IT DOESN'T WANT TO WORK. THREE STORIES NEXT TO ONE STORY. NOW, NEXT SLIDE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION, PARKING AND THIS WILL GIVE YOU THE SOLUTION THAT YOU DESIRE BASED UPON THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT YOU MADE. AN OLD CLICHÉ. 2+2, YOU HAVE A GOOD MATHEMATICIAN AND HE WILL TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE.

THAT IS STATISTICS. THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF CARS TO BE USED BY THE OCCUPANTS OF THE APARTMENTS AND THE DEVELOPER HAS USED THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CARS AND VIA REGULAR TRAFFIC AND THIS PROVIDES FOR A GAP BETWEEN THE TWO SCENARIOS. THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES SO MUCH BETTER. THE TRUTH LIES SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. HERE IS THE EXTREME CONCERN ABOUT THE CLUBHOUSE PARK. THE DEVELOPER NEEDS THREE SPACES FOR GUESTS. BLUE. WHAT IF THEY USE THE GARAGES FOR PROPERTY STORAGE. 67% OF THE GARAGES ARE NOT USED FOR CARS. THESE YELLOW AREAS ARE USED UP BY THE RESIDENCE. THIS MEANS 12 CARS -- BASICALLY THIS WOULD MEAN THAT ONLY 12 CARS CAN USE THE CLUBHOUSE PARKING LOT. YOU GET THE RED ZONE AND THAT IS IF THEY START SUBLEASING. IF THEY HAVE KIDS. SUDDENLY THE NUMBER OF PARKING LOTS GOES DOWN TO 12 PARKING LOTS AND FOUR HANDICAP PARKING LOTS. IN EACH UNIT, THE

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SUBLEASE IS TWO-BEDROOMS. AND ADDITIONAL CARS MIGHT USE THE CLUBHOUSE FOR PARKING. THE TRUTH IS SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.

IT IS WHAT YOU SEE THERE. THE MAIN ISSUE IS THAT THERE ARE LESS THAN 40 SPACES THAT CAN BE BUILT INTO THE RESIDENCE OF HERITAGE PARK. HERE IS THE EXCERPT FROM THE -- PER THE COUNTY IT WILL BE 40 PARKING SPOTS IS PER 300 SQUARE FEET.

THIS MEANS THAT THE CLUBHOUSE HAS TO CLOSE DOWN IF IT DOES NOT HAVE A NECESSARY PARKING AREA. THEY BUILT THIS PARKING LOT OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF HIS HEART. THIS IS UNFAIR TO THE COMMUNITY. THE NEXT DIAGRAM SHOWS YOU THE VISUAL EFFECTS THAT MIGHT BE PRESENT ON COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.

ENTRANCE TO THE CLUBHOUSE PARKING LOT. THE LAST TWO ARE FOR THE BACKYARD OF THE ADJACENT HOME. GIVEN HIS FOOTPRINT, THIS IS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE. YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ENTRANCE OF THE FACILITY. THIS IS SOMEONE'S BACKYARD. PRETTY NICE. IT MIGHT NOT AFFECT THEIR PROPERTY VALUES. I'M GOING PRETTY FAST, AND GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF. THE LAST CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THE DESIGN. THE COMPLIANCE OF THE DESIGN IS QUESTIONABLE. NO THROUGH FAIR OR ENTRANCE OR EXIT FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES. A 25 FOOT LANE IN FRONT OF THE APARTMENT.

NO EXIT IN OR OUT. THAT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO DO A MULTI-TURN IF NECESSARY. ANY OWNERS OR RENTERS THAT PUT A CAR ANYWHERE IN FRONT OF THESE LOCATIONS AND IN FRONT OF THEIR PARKING AREA, THAT LIMITS IT TO TO 12-13 FEET. NOT ENOUGH FOR THE FACILITY. BASICALLY, IT IS THE COUNTY'S CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT DESCRIBES COMPATIBILITY.

THE IMPACT TO THE CLUBHOUSE PARKING RAT, FROM THE HOMES AND THE MASSIVE STRUCTURE 35 FEET HIGH, MAKE THIS PROPOSAL TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING AREAS. THE BOTTOM LINE, WE BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSED COMPLEX IS INCOMPATIBLE. OH FINAL BRIEFING NO. THE DEVELOPERS TEAM IS HERE TO WIN THE CASE. THIS IS NOT HIS FIRST RODEO. THIS MEANS PRODUCING BEAM MINIMUM NECESSARY INFORMATION FOR THE COUNTY FOR APPROVAL. MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM ASSUMPTIONS. THIS IS THE WAY TO DO BUSINESS THESE DAYS. WHAT HE GETS BEFORE HE GOES TO THE ZONING BOARD IS NOTHING. WE GET SOME KIND OF OPPOSITION. WE NEED THE INFORMATION BEFORE GOES TO THE ZONING BOARD. IT IS THE LAST MINUTE TO PROTECT OURSELVES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. WE APPRECIATE YOUR

CONSIDERATION. >> DOES I COMPLETE THE

DESIGNATED -- OKAY. >> WE WILL MOVED TO PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE COME FORWARD, STRAIGHT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS

FOR THE RECORD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, DORIS TAYLOR. I HAVE A BRIEF COMMENT ABOUT THIS. I SAW THIS COME UP ON THE AGENDA. I SAW THE NOTE ABOUT PLANNING AND ZONING FOR

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THE PLANNING AGENCY, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT. I WANTED TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES. FROM THE PLANNING AGENCY, THEY ARE NOT UPDATABLE AND THEY ARE NOT AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS IS NOT AVAILABLE ONLINE. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING AGENCY MEETINGS BE POSTED WITHIN TWO WEEKS AND WELL BEFORE THE ITEM THAT THEY VOTE ON IS BROUGHT BEFORE THIS BOARD. SO THAT WE CAN READ THE MINUTES AND BE PREPARED WHEN THIS THING COMES BEFORE US. I THINK THAT IS EGREGIOUS. THANK YOU. AND I BEG YOU TO AT LEAST POSTPONE THIS IF YOU DO NOT VOTE NO. FOR THAT VERY REASON.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M HERE WITH THE ASSOCIATION. I WANTED TO BRING A COUPLE THINGS TO THE COMMITTEE'S ATTENTION. I WILL NOT HARP ON THE STUFF THAT IS GOING ON. THESE KEY PHRASES THAT ARE BEING USED. A COUPLE SPEAKERS AGO, THE DEFINITION OF COMPATIBILITY. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. THE CONDITION TO COEXIST IN RELATIVE ACTIVITY TO EACH OTHER SO THAT NO USE IS UP IMPACTING DIRECTLY BY ANOTHER USE. WE CAN STOP RIGHT THERE IF WE LOOK AT THE PROPOSED USE. PUTTING IN THIS MULTI FAMILY UNIT COMPLEX. IT WILL CAUSE DIRECT AND INDIRECT CONSEQUENCES AND NEGATIVE IMPACTS FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE LOOKED AT THE PUD MAP THAT HAD ALL THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE . DROPPING THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INDIVIDUAL'S NEIGHBORHOOD.

EXPECTING IT TO NOT HAVE THE DIRECT IMPACT. IT WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE AND THE BOARD COULD NOT APPROVE IT. THEY CAN DISAPPROVE ANY TYPE OF PUBLICATION OR INTEREST. THE PUBLIC PURSE SPACE CAN BE IF THE APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION DETRACTS FROM THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CREATING ANY KIND OF EXCESS NOISE. OR ANY KIND OF NEGATIVE IMPACT. WITH THE ABILITY TO DISAPPROVE THAT APPLICATION AS WELL. WITH THE AMOUNT OF INDIVIDUALS AT OWNERS THAT HAVE SHOWN UP YOU CAN SEE THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT THIS WILL HAVE. IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE IS AN ATTACHMENT. FULL OF CONCERNS AND COMMENTS FROM OWNERS. THIS IS PRETTY GOOD EVIDENCE THAT IT WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT. THERE WAS A COMMENT DURING THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DAY CARE PARKING IN THE PARKING IN A MULTI FAMILY COMPLEX. IT IS TYPICALLY IN DROP-OFF AND PICKUP TIMES. IF YOU INSTALL THE MULTI FAMILY COMPLEX, THEY WILL BE THERE AT NIGHT, ON WEEKENDS, ON HOLIDAYS. AND ADDITIONAL GUESTS ON HOLIDAYS WHEN THE DAY CARE WOULD ONLY BE DURING BUSINESS HOURS WITH NO HOLIDAY PARKING ISSUES. IT IS CLEAR FROM THE MULTIPLE OTHER PRESENTATIONS THAT PARKING WILL BE A PROBLEM. WITH THAT BEING SAID AND WHAT THE PREVIOUS OWNERS HAVE SAID, WE WILL MAKE THIS COMMUNITY TO REVIEW THIS APPLICATION AND MAKE IT NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SCHEME OF THE OPERATION. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF 37 RESIDENCE. I AM HERE TO EXPRESS MY COMPLETE DISMAY AT THIS PROPOSAL. THE IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND HAS PROPERTY RIGHTS. THAT DOES NOT GIVE ONE ABSOLUTE LICENSE TO DO WHAT ONE WISHES. ESPECIALLY IF IT HAS AN IMPACT ON OTHERS. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE IMPACT THAT THIS WILL HAVE ON OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. IT IS NOT AT A BOTTOM OF LINE. WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT QUALITY OF LIFE IS. THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THIS COMMUNITY ARE DIVERSE. EVERY SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION WILL BE IMPACTED IF THE DEVELOPER IS ALLOWED TO FOLLOW

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THROUGH WITH HIS PROPOSAL. THE CLUBHOUSE IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE LIVES OF MANY RESIDENTS. WE HAVE CAR GAMES, YOGA NIGHT, BOOK CLUB, SWIMMING EXERCISES, THE MEMBERS OF THESE GROUPS COULD ARRIVE AT THE CLUBHOUSE TO FIND NO PARKING SPACES, WHAT ARE THEY TO DO? THAT IS THE IMPACT WE CAN SEE.

WHAT ABOUT WHAT WE CAN'T SEE. NOT BEING ABLE TO SOCIALIZE WITH ONE'S PEERS HAS A TERRIBLE IMPACT ON WELL-BEING OF THE INDIVIDUAL. THIS NEGATIVE IMPACT CAN LEAD TO ISOLATION.

IT NOT CAN, IT WILL. CLINICAL DEPRESSION. ALL RIGHT? THIS IS TRUE FOR ALL THE GROUPS, ALL THE AGE GROUPS IN THIS COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PARKING LOT. IF THIS PROPOSAL IS PASSED, WE WILL LOSE ONE HALF OF THE PARKING'S BASIS. THE TWO-CAR FAMILY NO LONGER EXISTS, IF A RENTER HAS ONE OR TWO TEENAGE CHILDREN, THEY COULD NEED 48 ADDITIONAL SPACES TOTAL. AS A RESULT ALREADY MENTIONED, MEMBERS CAN ARRIVE TO FIND NO PARKING SPACES AT ALL. I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THAT THIS COMMITTEE WOULD PUT THE DESIRES OF ONE INDIVIDUAL ABOVE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. ONE INDIVIDUAL OWNS THE PROPERTY AND CAN UTILIZE ANY WAY THAT HE FEELS FIT WITHIN REASON. THOSE ARE THE KEYWORDS, WITHIN REASON. THIS IS NOT REASONABLE. TO DENY THIS PROPOSAL. THANK

YOU. >> FEW APPROVE THIS, WE WILL SEE IT BACK HERE IN A FEW MONTHS. LET'S TRY TO LET THAT HAPPEN. THE ARGUMENT MADE BY THIS GENTLEMAN YEAR. AT SOME POINT, THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT WAS OWNED BY THE DEVELOPER.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE CLUBHOUSE, REQUIRES 40 PARKING SPOTS. HE ACTUALLY TOOK THOSE PARKING SPACES ON THE BOTTOM. TOWARDS THE PARKING COMPLEX. IF THEY WANT TO SELL THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT IS ALLOWED FOR THE CODE. REALLY, HE IS IN VIOLATION OF HIS OWN P.O. THAT IS THE FIRST ISSUE. HE IS IN VIOLATION AND SHOULD NOT GET AN APPROVAL FROM THIS PROCESS.

THAT'S NOT ME. RIGHT THERE. HERE IN 2015, WE HAVE DOUG BURNETT. AND IT SAYS THE REQUEST FOR THE TERMINATION REGARDING THE FACILITY. THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE USE FROM 204.

BEATING THE COUNTY TO GIVE THE DETERMINATION OF THAT ISSUE. TO SAY YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THAT USE. BASICALLY YOU HAVE THE WRONG APPLICATION. THAT NEXT QUESTION. THE HYBRID VIEW OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT. THE SECOND ISSUE IS USED FOR INTERNAL USAGE. THAT WOULD BE INACCURATE BASED ON THIS LETTER. IT IS NOT IN THE RECORDED ORDINANCE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> UNDER THE RECENT CASE LAW

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GIVES ME AN AMOUNT OF TIME TO EXPLAIN MY CASE. THAT'S FINE.

>> THREE MINUTES. >> YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. >> WE ALL HEARD A NUMBER OF FACTS AND COUNTER FACTS PRESENTED AND PERSONALLY I THINK THERE IS ENOUGH HERE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON INCOMPATIBILITY. I THINK ENOUGH HAS BEEN PRESENTED AND DO NOT ALLOW THE CONTINUANCE. THAT IS WHAT THE ATTORNEY ASKED FOR.

PLENTY HAS BEEN PRESENTED HERE TODAY. A DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION TODAY DOES NOT DEPRIVE THIS OWNER OF ANY PROPERTY RIGHTS. WE ARE NOT DEPRIVING THIS OWNER OF ANY PROPERTY RIGHTS. THIS MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT PROJECT FOR THIS SITE. IT'S NOT UP TO YOU OR ME OR THE OWNER TO TRY AND MAKE A DECISION FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO TRY FOR. THEY CAN COME BACK AND MAKE A PRESENTATION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT THAT I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ENOUGH FACTS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY TO MAKE A DECISION. AND YOU ARE NOT DEPRIVING THIS PROPERTY OF ANY

PROPERTY RIGHTS. >> THANK YOU.

>> I WAS JUST COMING UP TO SAY THAT THIS IS RIDICULOUS. TRYING TO GIVE YOU GUYS A ROUGH IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST. IT WAS A PODIUM, I WANT TO MAKE IT A HOT DOG STAND. SORRY, YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER. YEAH THIS POOL AND PARKING LINE TRYING TO MAKE IT A HOT DOG STAND. SO MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE STARING AT THE BACK OF THIS. EVERYONE'S KIDS GO TO THESE GOALS. DO NOT MAKE IT A HOT DOG STAND. A DAY CARE CENTER SOMETHING THAT IS MORE COMPATILE. PLEASE DENY

IT. THANKS. >> THANK YOU.

>> I KNOW, I BELIEVE IT IS YOUR TURN.

>> DEAR ME, GETTING A WORKOUT TODAY. HI. I AM RUTH HILL. WE HAVE BEEN GOING ON THE HISTORY OF THE PLACE AND NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A NINE HOLE GOLF COURSE. THREE MILES OF TRAILS THAT WERE FOR THE GOLF CARTS TO GET TO THE DIFFERENT ROLES. IN 2006 TO MY KNOWLEDGE, MAYBE THE DATA IS NOT QUITE RIGHT. DOING THINGS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENTLY WITH MORE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. IT IS ALMOST .4 OF AN ACRE. MANY OF US HAVE RETIRED HERE AND THAT PUT OUR LIFE SAVINGS INTO OUR HOMES. THIS WILL BE OUR LAST HOME. HAVING BREAKFAST COFFEE ON THE BACK PORCH IS AND IN THE WARM FLORIDA SUNSHINE, LIVING THE DREAM. THEN COMES THE DEVELOPER FOR A SECOND BITE OF HIS CHERRY THAT IS HERITAGE PARK. 13 YEARS AGO WHEN MY HUSBAND AND I CAME HERE WE WERE TOLD IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HIS PRIDE AND JOY. A VISION OF LOW-DENSITY HOMES AND IDEAL COMFORTABLE FAMILY LIVING. HERE WE ARE TODAY TRYING TO RESCUE

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THIS VISION HERE WE ARE ON THE LAST FIVE DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS TO SUPPORT THOSE MEMBERS OF OURS THAT ARE GOING TO LOSE EVERYTHING THEY HOLD DEAR, THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE. THE PROPOSED MONSTROSITY IN THEIR BOOK. EVERYTHING THEY HAVE BOUGHT INTO HAS BEEN SNATCHED AWAY. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS INTO THEIR HOMES THAT WILL BILL IRRETRIEVABLE IF THEY SELL. WHY SHOULD THIS GO AHEAD? WE DESERVE AND HAVE A RIGHT TO MAINTAIN OUR WAY OF LIFE. NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO STEAL THAT AWAY FROM US. THIS IS A DEMOCRACY AND IT SHOULD COUNT FOR SOMETHING. OUR INVESTMENTS AND OUR HOMES SHOULD COUNT FOR SOMETHING. OUR QUALITY OF LIFE SHOULD COUNT FOR SOMETHING. A DAY CARE CENTER ONLY OPERATES DURING WORKING HOURS AND DOES NOT OPERATE ON THE WEEKENDS. BUSINESS TRAFFIC ON THE WEEK DOES NOT DISTRESS MOST OF US. THE 12 HOMES WITH ADEQUATE PARKING AND RENTERS THAT DO NOT CARE FOR AND LIVE IN THEIR PROPERTY AS IS A REALITY TO FACE. THEN THERE IS THE LIGHT POLLUTION AND NOISE POLLUTION TOO. MANY OF US ARE CONCERNED WITH THE OVERUSE OF THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE FACILITIES.

WILL THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY FEES AND BE LIABLE FOR THE AND OTHER FEES? WHAT ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE PER UNIT? HOW MANY BEDROOMS AND BATHROOMS? THERE IS SO LITTLE TRANSPARENCY. SO FAR THERE ARE TOO FEW ANSWERS. THANK YOU.

>> MY LATE FRIEND, LARRY TUCKER, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE KNOWN HIM. HE HELPED PERSUADE THE LEGISLATURE IN TALLAHASSEE TO SUBSCRIBE TO PROPERTY PROTECTION LAW. GOD REST HIS SOUL. HE EXPLAINED THAT THERE WOULD COME A TIME WHERE I WOULD COME INTO THIS BUILDING TALKING ABOUT THE REASONABLE INVESTMENT BACK AND EXPECTATIONS AND THEY NEED TO RAISE THE HARRIS JUNIOR PROPERTY PROTECTION ACT.

DENY IT. DO NOT MAKE THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO HIRE ME AS A LAWYER. ISN'T THE REASONABLE INVESTMENT OF THESE PEOPLE WHO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY ON THEIR HOMES WORTH SOMETHING? THEY ARE NOT DEVELOPERS. THEY ARE PEOPLE. THEY HAVE RIGHTS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. I WOULD COUNSEL AND URGE YOU TO DENY IT. AND PLEASE ASK THE COUNCIL TO GIVE AN OPINION FOR THE CHAIR ABOUT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY PROTECTION ACT. DO THESE FOLKS HAVE RIGHTS OR NOT? WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY WHEN WE PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS AFTER 14 YEARS? THE SECOND OF THE THREE U.S. SENATORS THAT I WORK FOR INAUDIBLE ] IS IT BASED ON NEED OR GREED? THE DEVELOPER, THE OWNER, THE FRONT MAN, HAS NOT TESTIFIED, HE HAS SELF-SERVING ADVOCACY FOR THE CAMPAIGN AND THE PERSON SPEAKING HERE. WOULD YOU PLEASE DENY THIS? THE REASONABLE EXPECTATION FOR THE INVESTMENT BACKED EXPECTATIONS, THESE PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS, YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THEM.

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>> THINGS, EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE AND SPEAKING SO ELOQUENTLY. I APOLOGIZE, THIS HAS BEEN 20 YEARS. SO MANY AMENITIES PLAN FOR OUR COMMUNITY WERE BALL FIELDS, WALKING TRAILS AND A DAY CARE CENTER. THESE WERE ALL THINGS THAT WERE ENTICING. PUT BEFORE US TO GET US TO BUY INTO THIS COMMUNITY. THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU WILL HAVE YOUR DAY CARE CENTER RIGHT IN YOUR COMMUNITY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO RUN HALFWAY ACROSS THE COUNTY BECAUSE YOUR KID IS SICK AT DAY CARE. IT WAS A WONDERFUL BENEFIT. YOU'RE TRYING TO REMOVE A BENEFIT IN PUTTING SOMETHING THAT IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE COMMUNITY. HUNDREDS OF HOMES WERE GOING TO BE BUILT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US. HUNDREDS OF THEM. NOT ONLY DID YOU ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT TO GO THROUGH.

TRANSITIONING ] THE COMMUNITY, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL 200 SOME CARS COMING THROUGH. IT IS MISINFORMATION. MY BIGGEST THING, I DON'T KNOW, I WAS BROUGHT UP IN A TIME WHERE YOUR WORD MEANT SOMETHING AND YOU DID NOT JUST PROMISE SOMETHING AND THEN CHANGE YOUR MIND BECAUSE YOU WOULD LOSE YOUR HONOR. YOUR WORD MEANT SOMETHING, THEY PUT THIS BEFORE YOU AS A WHOLE PACKAGE SHOWING BENEFITS, COSTS, TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE ENVIRONMENT. NOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN ON A WHIM, SOMETHING SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT TASTIER, MORE MEAT ON THE BONE. IT IS NOT FAIR TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, 20 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN PROMISED, 20 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN WAITING AND NOW LET'S TURN AROUND AND CHANGE OUR MIND.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

SECOND EVERYTHING MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID. THIS IS NOT A COMPATIBLE PROJECT FOR THE HERITAGE PARK DEVELOPMENT,

PLEASE VOTE NO. >> THANK YOU.

>> I AM DAVID WILSON AND I LIVE AT 531 SIDE CREEK LANE RIGHT ON THE BORDER OF THIS LAND THAT YOU ARE SEEING AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE LAND. THIS IS WHERE THEY ARE INTENDING TO BUILD SOME OF THOSE TOWN HOUSES OR APARTMENTS IN THIS IS AFTER HEAVY RAINFALL, NOT A HURRICANE AND THIS WATER, YOU COULD DRAIN IT, BUT AT LEAST HALF OF IT IS COMING DOWN THE HILL PAST MY HOUSE FOR THE WATERCOURSE. THERE IS A HUGE PROBLEM WITH BUILDING THIS WITH FLOODING. WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE WE WERE NEVER TOLD THIS LAND WAS PRIVATELY OWNED. WE THOUGHT IT WAS PART OF HERITAGE PARK AND WE HAD A BEAUTIFUL VIEW, NOW THAT WILL ALL CHANGE. SO, ALL OF MY LIFE SAVINGS IS MY HOUSE. I AM A MISSIONARY AND I USE MY HOUSE, I GO OUT OF THE COUNTRY 100 DAYS A YEAR, BUT IT IS MY BASE AND I COME BACK AND REST. NOW, THIS TRAIL IS GOING TO BE MOVED RIGHT EXACTLY IN FRONT OF MY PATIO SO I HAVE LOST MY PRIVACY. MY SONS ARE GOING TO

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INHERIT MY HOUSE AND IT IS GOING TO LOSE VALUE. NO MATTER WHAT PEOPLE SAY, WHEN YOU ARE FACING OR BACKING ON TO TOWNHOUSES YOU WILL LOSE VALUE SO THAT MEANS THAT MY SON 'S INHERITANCE WILL BE LESS. THERE IS ONLY ONE ANSWER TO THIS CONFLICT THAT HAS GONE ON FOR 20 YEARS. I HAVE KNOWN IT 15 YEARS. IT IS A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE OWNERS OF A PIECE OF LAND AND A COMMUNITY OF HOMEOWNERS. AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO HARM NEIGHBORS , WE ARE THE NEIGHBORS. AND I SUGGEST WE MOVE THIS TO A HIGHER PLANE THAN JUST MAKING MONEY. THE REASON THEY ARE DOING THIS IS MONEY, THAT'S THE REASON SOMEONE ELSE HERE IS MAKING THE CASE. I SUGGEST BEING A MISSIONARY THAT WE MOVE IT TO THE SECOND GREAT COMMANDMENT, TO LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. WE WOULD NOT WANT TO BE IN HIS SHOES HAVING ALL THESE NEIGHBORS AGAINST US AND HE WOULD NOT WANT TO BE IN OUR SHOES HAVING A LANDOWNER HARASSING US OVER ALL THESE YEARS. THE ANSWER TO THE WHOLE PROBLEM IS FOR HIM TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO HERITAGE PARK AT ITS REAL AND TRUE VALUE. WITH THE COUNTY ASSESSMENT IT IS 86,250 AND THAT'S WITH NO EXEMPTIONS. AND OUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION COULD MAKE A RESOLUTION THAT NOTHING WILL EVER REBUILD ON THIS LAND.

ANOTHER THING IT CAN DO IS GIVE US A CHRISTMAS PRESENT AND

GIVE IT TO US. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

WAY. THANK YOU I EMAILED ALL OF YOU AT THE END OF OCTOBER SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSES TO THAT. THIS WILL DIRECTLY IMPACT MY FAMILY AS OUR HOUSE BACKS UP AND BUMPS UP AGAINST THIS FIELD. WE MOVED TO SAINT AUGUSTINE 16 YEARS AGO AND WE KNEW RIGHT AWAY WE HAD FRIENDS , SOME OF THE FIRST HOMEOWNERS IN HERITAGE PARK AND I KNEW THAT'S WHERE WE WANTED TO RAISE OUR FAMILY. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO BUY AND GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SEVEN MORE YEARS BUT WE BOUGHT OUR HOME IN 2014 SO WE HAVE BEEN THERE 9 1/2 YEARS. WE HAVE FIVE CHILDREN WHO LIVE AT HOME, 17, 16, 14 OUR THREE GIRLS AND TWO BOYS 11 AND THREE. WE HAVE RAISED THEM IN THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE SPECIFICALLY CHOSE HERITAGE PARK BECAUSE IT IS A FAMILY FROM THE COMMUNITY. ALL THE TRAILS AND AMENITIES, EVERYTHING YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT WE ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. WHEN I FIRST SAW THE HOME WITHOUT THE PARKING LOT AND CLUBHOUSE RIGHT BEHIND IT, BUT I WALKED IN THE FRONT DOOR AND ALL YOU CAN SEE OUT THE DOWNSTAIRS IS THE WOODEN PATCH, THE PRESERVE WHICH WE WERE TOLD CANNOT BE TOUCHED AND WOULD NOT GO AWAY EVEN THOUGH WE KNEW ABOUT THE DAYCARE CENTER FROM OUR SECOND STORY IN THE PICTURES YOU HAVE SEEN, YOU CAN SEE THE PINE TREES TOWER HIGH ABOVE OUR TWO-STORY HOME.

WE ARE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH THEM FROM THE MASTER BEDROOM AND BATHROOM SO WE DO GET SOME OF THE LIGHTS COMING INTO THE BEDROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR SO YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE IF THESE 12 MULTIFAMILY UNITS GO IN, THE LIGHT WILL COME IN. RIGHT NOW WE CAN SEE THE BEAUTIFUL PONDS AND THE ENTRANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT IS QUIET AND SERENE AND THE PERFECT PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY, OUR THREE-YEAR-OLD WAS A SURPRISE BLESSING SO HERE WE ARE GOING TO BE LIKE AN ONLY CHILD IN A FEW YEARS BUT WE ARE INVESTED IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, THE KIDS PLAY , WE LOVE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND SAINT AUGUSTINE. SO WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY AND SAFETY ESPECIALLY FOR MY THREE-YEAR-OLD AND THE YOUNGER ONES. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. I AM MORE IN FAVOR OF THE DAY CARE CENTER BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A BACKGROUND CHECK AND LIKE THE HOA LAWYER HAS SAID THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THERE AT NIGHT AND ON THE WEEKEND. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE THERE ON HOLIDAYS. WE WOULD CONTINUE TO ENJOY QUIET EVENINGS LIVING ON A CUL-DE-SAC AND LIVING WITH THE WOODS IN THE FIELD BEHIND US. WE DO NOT KNOW IF THEY WILL BE FOR RENTAL, MOST LIKELY THEY ARE AND HE MENTIONED LONG-TERM AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, THE LONG-TERM WAS ONE YEAR, VERY TRANSIENT FOR THE FAMILY WHO HAS BEEN HERE ALMOST 10 YEARS. THANK YOU, PLEASE DENY IT.

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KELLY 334 -- I MOVED HERE SIX MONTHS AGO FROM HOUSTON, TEXAS. IT TOOK US SIX MONTHS TO FIND THE HOUSE WE WANTED TO LIVE IN. WE KNEW WE WANTED IT TO BE HERITAGE PARK AND WE SPENT SIX MONTHS WAITING FOR A HOUSE THAT MET REQUIREMENTS TO OPEN UP IN HERITAGE PARK. I DID AS MUCH DUE DILIGENCE AS I COULD AT THE TIME. I ASKED OUR REAL ESTATE AGENT AS SHE DROVE THERE WITH HER CAMERA OUT THE CAR WINDOW AND I WANT YOU TO SEE WHAT EVERYTHING IS LIKE FOR YOU TO COME CHECK IT OUT. SHE SAID THAT THE CLUBHOUSE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH AND AT SOME POINT I ASKED ABOUT THE FIELD I SAID IS THAT A PARK? AND SHE GOES NO I WILL LOOK INTO IT. SHE DID, SHE SAID IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED, IT'S GOING TO BE A DAY CARE CENTER, BUT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A DAY CARE CENTER ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO AND IT IS STILL NOT A DAY CARE CENTER SO AT THIS POINT IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE A DAY CARE CENTER. SO THAT'S WHERE WE LEFT THAT. IF THESE ARE BUILT, NOW THAT WILL BE MY DRIVE INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT LINE REPRESENTS IF THEY ARE THREE STORIES WHICH IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. QUITE HONESTLY WE ARE CONFUSED. AT THE LAST MEETING WE WERE TOLD AT THE BEGINNING THERE WOULD BE 40 OR 45 FEET TALL, OKAY THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE. THEY ARE GOING TO BE LOW INCOME HOUSING. OH, NO THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE. NOW THEY ARE NOT EVEN FOR RENT, THEY ARE FOR SALE. WHAT WILL STOP A SHELL CORPORATION FROM BUYING ALL OF THEM IN THE DECIDING TO RENT THEM OUT? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

THIS DRASTICALLY IMPACTS WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO RETIRE AND SPEND THE LAST OF MY LIFE IN IN THIS COMMUNITY.

IT IMPACTS THE 12 PEOPLE THAT I HAVE THOUGHT, MY NEIGHBORS TO SIGN UP. THIS IS JUST NOT RIGHT. THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS WERE BROUGHT BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE NOT YOU GUYS BUT THIS COMMITTEE WHEN THE WHOLE HERITAGE PARK WAS PLANNED OUT IT WAS STATED THAT EVERYTHING IN THE SUBDIVISION IN HERITAGE PARK WOULD BE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE MEMBERS OF HERITAGE PARK FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. PLEASE TELL ME HOW 12 TOWNHOMES WHICH WILL MOST LIKELY BE RENTAL OR FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY? IT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD THAT EVERYTHING WOULD BE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THAT COMMUNITY.

PLEASE CONSIDER THAT, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> LISA LOWMAN 235 PINE HARBOR CIRCLE. IT WAS NICE THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEVELOPMENT POINTED OUT BY HIS PHOTOS THAT HISTORICALLY THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS DWINDLED AS THE NUMBER OF HOMES INCREASED SO HISTORICALLY IT SHOWS THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE COMPLEX DO NOT WANT APARTMENTS, THEY PREFER SINGLE FAMILIES AND THE SLIDE HAD SHOWN THAT. WHEN THE DEVELOPER HELD OUT THE 1.3 ACRE LOT HE SAID IT WAS FOR DAYCARE CENTER.

NOW IT WOULD BE RENTALS AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE JUST UNITS, NO CLEAR GUIDANCE ON RENTALS OR NOT. WHEN THEY SUBMITTED APPLICATION TO THE BOARD THEY TOLD THE BOARDS THE MEMBERS OF HERITAGE PARK WERE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT AND AS YOU KNOW WE ARE NOT. SO WHEN THEY SAY SOMETHING WORDS AND ACTIONS DO NOT GO TOGETHER. LOOK AT THE AREA, VERY FEW COMPLEXES, WHERE WE ARE THERE ARE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. AS THE BUILDINGS THEY ARE PROPOSING AGE THEY WILL NOT BE TAKEN CARE OF, THEY WILL BECOME AN EYESORE AND THE REASON WHY BELIEVE THE DEVELOPER WILL NOT TAKE CARE OF THE BUILDINGS IS BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER IS NOT PAID ONE CENT TOWARD LAWNCARE OR MAINTENANCE TO THE LAND HE OWNS AND HAS NOT CONTRIBUTED TO THE HOA. WE HAVE BEEN TAKING CARE OF HIM HE IS NOT TAKING CARE OF US. THE COMPLEX WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE COMMUNITY STARTING WITH A DECREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES, THERE IS MORE CRIME IN RENTAL UNITS, THE DUMPSTER ALONE WILL ATTRACT INSECTS, RODENTS, WILDLIFE AND DUMPSTER DIVERS, THE OLDER WILL BE UNBEARABLE IN THE SUMMER MONTHS. DUMPSTER PADS WILL BE USED AS DUMP SITES FOR LARGE ITEMS LIKE FURNITURE AND APPLIANCE BY NINE RESIDENTS WHO NEED A PLACE TO DUMP THEIR

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ITEMS. IF THIS IS A PROJECT YOU WOULD NOT PUT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLEASE DO NOT PUT IT IN OURS AND PLEASE VOTE AGAINST IT. THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE A PROPERTY NEXT DOOR THAT MY PARENTS ARE MOVING INTO THAT IS NOT A RENTAL. WE MOVED TO HERITAGE PARK 10 YEARS AGO , WE MOVED HERE WITH OUR SPECIAL NEEDS ADULT SON WHO IS 36 NOW, ONE OF THE REASONS HERITAGE PARK WAS ATTRACTIVE WAS THE SAFETY ASPECT . MY SON CAN BE MISINTERPRETED SOMETIMES BY THE WAY HE PRESENTS HIMSELF AS HE IS NOT VERBAL AND NOW HE IS A 35-YEAR-OLD MAN WE MAKE SURE LAW ENFORCEMENT UNDERSTAND HE IS NOT VERBAL WHEN HE IS OUT AND ABOUT SO HE IS NOT MISINTERPRETED THAT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST FEARS. HAVING THIS RIGHT BEHIND OUR HOME WITH 12 RENTAL UNITS FOR PEOPLE WE DON'T KNOW. WE KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS I'M NOT THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND ME 12 UNITS THAT ARE TURNOVER RENTALS AND IF THEY ARE NOT RENTALS I WILL WORK HARD TO GET TO KNOW THEM AND HOPEFULLY RAISE THE BAR ON OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK FOR FOR SAFETY IS WE DON'T WANT , WE WANT TO WALK TO THE CLUBHOUSE MY SON TO GO TO THE CLUBHOUSE GET A SODA AND COME BACK. WE WATCHED THE CHILDREN GO THROUGH THE AREA AS WELL. WE HAVE OUR OWN TRAIL BUT IT IS A PASS-THROUGH AND WE GET CHILDREN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOING DIRECTLY TO THE CLUBHOUSE THAT IS THE SECTION WE LIVE IN, THE HOMEOWNER SECTION ALL THE CHILDREN GO THROUGH THE AREA.

12 UNITS FACING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF PEOPLE WE DON'T KNOW THAT ARE RENTERS, TRANSIENT , I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT POPPED UP. THE LAST THING I WILL SAY QUICKLY IS I WAS , UNDERSTAND THE LAWYER NEEDS TO REPRESENT HIS CLIENT. THE TRAIL WILL NOT REMAIN , THAT'S THEIR CHOICE TO PUT THE TRAIL SOMEWHERE ON THEIR MAP THAT WE HAVE NOT APPROVED. THE DRIVEWAY IS A ONE CAR DRIVEWAY. THEY SAID IT WAS 12 UNITS, THE ESTIMATE , I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW FIVE CARS CAN GET IN AND OUT OF 12 UNITS. I WOULD ASK TO NOT APPROVE THIS AND I WOULD THANK AGAIN I HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE AND WILL CONTINUE FOR CREATING A NICE COMMUNITY AND IT IS SO WELL LAID OUT AND SO WELL SET UP FOR FAMILIES AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE HE KNOWS HE HAS CREATED A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY , THE PRIDE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

SOME OF YOU HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO VISIT AND I THINK EVERYBODY SAW AND RECOGNIZED THIS IS UNIQUE TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

SO, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONTINUE TO APPRECIATE THE WAY THIS IS.

HERITAGE CREEK WAY, THE CONCERN INDICATES SHARING THE PARKING LOT 24/7 WOULD GREATLY HINDER PARKING FOR WAREHOUSE -- CLUBHOUSE USERS AS WELL AS GREAT ON CERTAIN TRAFFIC FLOW.

ESPECIALLY TO THE ENTRANCE. THE FACTS INDICATE THE PROPOSED PROJECT OF 26 UNIT CONDOS WILL NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH COMMUNITY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES MAKER AS DESIGN. THIS AREA OF THE MULTI-VILLAGE COMMUNITY HAS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME ONLY AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE OWNERS ARE ENTITLED TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY , THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN A VISUAL PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND WE'VE INCLUDED MAINTENANCE IN LANDSCAPING CONTRACT FOR MANY YEARS. I WAS TOLD THIS IS A TRAITOR FOR USE OF ADJACENT PARKING SPACES WHICH WE APPRECIATE. IN KEEPING WITH DEDICATED ORIGINAL AND INNOVATIVE VISION FOR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY APARTMENT HOMES OF LIKE TO SUGGEST A VIABLE -- THERE WE GO. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST A VIABLE SOLUTION. CHANGE THE PROPERTY DESIGNATION TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING AND BUILD THREE HOMES ON THE PROPERTY. TAKE AWAY THE ORIGINAL ENTRY WHICH WOULD IMPEDE COMING INTO THE PROPERTY INTO THE PARKING LOT, PUT IT AT THE TOP SO PEOPLE WILL GO AROUND, COME THROUGH, THEY CAN COME IN AND THERE ARE THREE HOMES ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE. I

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ENVISION AN ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY VILLAGE LET'S CALL IT HERITAGE PARK VILLAGE, PRIVACY FENCED IN AS THE HOMES ARE. FOR SAFETY AND AESTHETICS THE ENTRY WOULD BE AT THE TOP OF THE LOT AS I SHOWED YOU. THIS COULD PROVE TO BE MOST COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING HOMES AND IN TURN ALL OF HERITAGE PARK AS WELL AS MOST ACCEPTABLE AND A WELCOMED SOLUTION. A SOLUTION WHERE ALL CONCERNED TO BE HAPPY WHILE MAINTAINING THE SINGLE HOME RESIDENTIAL PANORAMA OF OUR COMMUNITY. HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION IF ALLOWED AND WE WELCOME WOULD WELCOME NEW HOMEOWNERS IN COMPARABLE HOMES, MOST IMPORTANT THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE MEMBERS OF A WONDERFUL AMENITIES RICH COMMUNITY AS WELL AS ADHERE TO OUR WHICH AS WE KNOW PROTECT, PRESERVE AND ENHANCE PROPERTY VALUE WHILE ENSURING THE UPKEEP, OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE AND PRISTINE CONDITION OF OUR PREMIER COMMUNITY. I COMMEND YOU IN YOUR DEDICATED MISSION TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR HERITAGE PARK COMMUNITY AS WELL AS ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AT LARGE, I THINK YOU AND I WISH YOU ALL A MERRY CHRISTMAS. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON TOM KRAMER 501 WOODED CROSSING CIRCLE WHICH HAPPENS TO BE IN THE VILLAS. I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU BECAUSE I WANT TO TELL YOU I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TURNING THIS DOWN AND I HAD TO SIT THERE SINCE 9:00 THIS MORNING SO I FIGURED IT'S NOT A BAD PAY BACK. A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT SOME GREAT THINGS. THE VILLAS WHICH AS YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE BEEN OVER THERE ARE THE SINGLE-FAMILY TOWNHOMES.

THE LAND THAT WE HAVE , THE VIEW THAT I HAVE FROM THE BACK OF MY VILLA TO THE POND IS TREMENDOUS. THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. THE WAY THE DIAGRAMS HAVE SHOWN THE TOWNHOMES THEY WANT TO BUILD AS SOMEBODY MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT THE LAND AND HOW IT SITS IS NOT COMPATIBLE. IT WOULD BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT SO I PRESSURED MY TIME I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANYMORE, EVERYBODY HAS TALKED A LOT. MERRY CHRISTMAS AND THANK YOU. TURN IT DOWN.

CREEK WAY. MY HOME IS ON THE CUL-DE-SAC AND I AM , IT IS SORT OF A PIE SHAPED. A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED THAT I AGREE WITH. ONE THAT I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE FLOODING. WE HAD FIVE HOURS OF RAIN THE OTHER DAY, I FACE , THE TRIAL RUNS DIRECTLY BEHIND MY HOUSE. SO IT FLOODS, IT IS LITERALLY LIKE A LAKE AND SEEPS UNDER INTO MY YARD. I HAVE TWO SEPARATE YARDS. I HAVE A PATIO AND THEN TWO SEPARATE LITERALLY TWO SEPARATE YARDS. YARDS FACING TOTALLY UNDERWATER, COMPLETELY UNDERWATER AND I TOOK A VIDEO.

I DID NOT KNOW HOW TO PUT IT UP HERE, BUT I WALKED AROUND IN MUD BOOTS AND WALKED AROUND FLOODING ALL THE WAY ALONG THE BRUSH. THE PLANTS THAT DIVIDE OUR LAND FROM THAT LAND COMPLETELY UNDERWATER. IT IS PROBABLY 6 TO 10 FEET HEIGHT DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU VISUALLY LOOK AT THE CLUBHOUSE SITTING UP HIGH. I CAN'T IMAGINE YOU WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE LAND WHERE WILL THE WATER GO? NO DRAINAGE SYSTEM WILL COMPENSATE WHEN WE DO HAVE A CARD FOR BID HORRIBLE HURRICANE, NOR'EASTER OR TERRIBLE RAIN FOR DAYS AND DAYS , THERE IS NOWHERE FOR THE WATER TO GO. I FEEL THAT THOSE HOUSES WILL SIT UP HIGHER SO I'M GOING TO BE LOWER, WE WILL ALL BE LOWER AND IS GOING TO CONTINUALLY FLOOD. ALSO IF IT DOES GET APPROVED, WHERE ARE THE CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE GOING TO PARK? WHERE? I HAVE FOUR CHILDREN. THEY ALL DRIVE, SO I AM A FAMILY OF SIX THAT HAVE SIX CARS WHICH IS , MY OLDER SON DOES NOT LIVE WITH US BUT I HAVE FOUR AT HOME OR THREE AT HOME AND THEY ALL HAVE CARS. SO I COULD POSSIBLY BUY ONE OF THOSE UNITS, WHERE THE CARS GOING TO PARK? MY KID WOULD TOTALLY PARK IN WHATEVER FREE PARKING. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW ANY FREE RULES IF IT IS A FREE AND OPEN SPACE THAT'S WHERE THEY WILL PARK, THEIR TEENAGERS. THAT'S THE LOGIC

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YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT. ALSO I THINK MY MOODS BECAUSE YOU GUYS APPROVED THE TOWNHOUSES NEXT TO THE HYATT WHICH HAD A ROAD RUNNING BEHIND THE ROAD MY HOUSE WAS ON FARRELL ROAD .

I DROVE BY THE OTHER DAY, THE ROAD LITERALLY FOR THE TOWNHOUSES RUNS DIRECTLY BUTTING UP AGAINST THE FENCE.

DO NOT WANT TO LIVE LIKE THAT. I DON'T CARE HOW PRETTY THE BUILDING IS. IT IS STILL A BUILDING AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO LOOK AND SEE A BUILDING BEHIND HIS HOUSE.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. >> IT'S ONLY 3:30 FOLKS. WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME. I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSIONER ASKING ABOUT THE RENTALS , I DO NOT THINK WE GOT A VERY CLEAR ANSWER. THE VOTE 4-3 , THREE PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION THE VOTE 4-3, THE OPPOSITION WAS AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER IT WAS NOT UNANIMOUS. DID ANY OR ALL ON THIS BOARD READ THE 188 PAGES OF EMAILS THAT WAS OPPOSED TO THIS MODIFICATION? I DID. THE LIBRARY LOVES ME. THIS CONCERNS ME TOO. RESIDENTS PRESENT COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE , THAT IS STRESSED A LOT. BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME LAWYERS WHO SEEM TO DISPARAGE THAT KIND OF TESTIMONY. I THINK IF YOU LIVE AROUND IT YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. THAT CONCERNS ME. YOU HAVE HEARD THIS, THIS IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE QUALITY-OF-LIFE FOR RESIDENTS OVER GREED. DENY THIS REQUEST FOR A MAJOR, LET ME REPEAT, A MAJOR MODIFICATION. WE WANT TO SAY THIS, WE PRAY FOR YOU ALL, I WAS SOME OF THEM WITH PRAY FOR US RESIDENTS IN THIS BUILDING WHEN WE COME HERE, KEEP LISTENING FOR IT. LET ME THANK ALL THE RESIDENTS WHO RETURN AT 1:45, IT IS 3:30, TO SPEAK FOR THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT PAID TO SIT IN THIS BUILDING, BUT THEY CARE ENOUGH TO BE RESIDENTS AND TO BE PARTICIPANTS IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT VOTE AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE THE RIGHT TO VOTE TO HAVE LISTENED TO ALL OF THE EXPERT, I'M TELLING YOU, SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS, I AM IMPRESSED. THEY ARE NOT LAWYERS, BUT THEY HAVE THE FACTS WHEN THEY COME IN HERE. I AM AMAZED SOMETIMES. THAT'S NOT TO KNOCK THE ONES THAT DON'T LIKE ME, BUT ANYWAY, WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE VOTE SO HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE QUALITY-OF-LIFE AND LIVABILITY, NOT GREED. THANK

YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 5? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, BACK TO THE BOARD ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? SO SORRY. A LITTLE SLEEPY AFTER LUNCH.

FOR A MINUTE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE I MUST'VE BEEN A HORRIBLE JOB EXPLAINING THE REQUEST. I THOUGHT I DID A JOB WELL ENOUGH AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING THAT THEY SEEMED TO UNDERSTAND AND FIND COMPATIBILITY IN THE REMOVAL OF 80 TRIPS IN THE MORNING AND AT NIGHT AS A POSITIVE FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT. AS WELL AS SOME OF THE ISSUES PARKING FLOODING ET CETERA I WILL GO TO THAT REAL QUICK BECAUSE YOU HEARD LET ME SAY THIS FIRST WE ALL KNOW WITH ALL

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DUE RESPECT JUDICIAL HEARINGS ARE NOT POPULARITY CONTEST OR WHETHER OR NOT YOU WILL GET REELECTED, IT IS ABOUT THE FACTS AND THE FACTS ON THE RECORD AND WHAT'S PROPOSED THAT'S WHY I WANT TO GO THROUGH IT. COURTS HAVE MADE IT CLEAR THAT FOR YEARS , ANXIETY, WORRIES, INSINUATIONS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE BASIS TO CRAFT APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF APPLICATION. IN THIS CASE YOU HEARD SOME DISCUSSION OF THE PARKING, YOU HEARD ABOUT PARKING AND ACCESS EASEMENT AGREEMENT WHAT YOU DID NOT HEARS THAT PARKING AND ACCESS AGREEMENT WAS FROM THE HOA TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY SAYING THAT THEY COULD USE THE PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE IN THE CLUBHOUSE AREA, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. THESE PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE ON THEIR PROPERTY ARE THEIRS, THEY COULD BE GONE TOMORROW. THEY ARE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNED PARKING SPACES.

EVERY ONE OF THEM, THE BLUE IS THE OUTLINE FROM A SURVEY, EVERY ONE OF THESE SPOTS, THE ACCESS AGREEMENT WAS SO THAT THEY COULD COME IN AND ACCESS THIS PROPERTY OVER THIS HOA PROPERTY WHERE THE CLUBHOUSE IS, THIS ACCESS AND PARKING AGREEMENT WAS SO THAT THEY COULD USE THESE PARKING SPOTS AS PART OF THEIR USE OF THEIR PROPERTY, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. AS YOU SEE FROM THE PUD LANGUAGE THEY ARE SAYING THEY WILL RETAIN THESE FOR THE USE OF THE CLUBHOUSE ITSELF.

THESE WOULD NOT EVEN BE BUILT RIGHT NOW UNLESS THEY BUILT AHEAD OF TIME ON THEIR OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY. THEY DON'T WANT TO USE THESE SPOTS, THEY ONLY NEED THREE OF THEM AND THEY ARE NOT FOR THESE UNITS, THEY ARE FOR THE GUESTS WHICH IS WHAT CODE REQUIRES. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE. YOU ARE HEARING INSINUATIONS ABOUT APARTMENT,, THIS IS NOT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. WHAT THIS IS, IT'S THE SAME AS WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHEN YOU SEE THIS THIS LOOKS LIKE A RESIDENTIAL ROAD, THIS IS THE MULTI FAMILY PORTION OF THE SAME HERITAGE PARK PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS WHAT YOU LOOK AT FROM THE FRONT, NOT WHAT YOU WERE SHOWN WHICH WERE LARGE BLOCK APARTMENT COMPLEXES. THIS INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPER AND OWNER OF THIS PUD AND PARCEL WANTS TO PRESENT AN APPROPRIATE PRODUCT FOR YOUR.

HE THOUGHT THIS WAS AN APPROPRIATE PROPOSAL WHEN HE CAME AND BROUGHT IT TO THE COUNTY. HE WAS TOLD BY ENGINEERS THAT THE DAYCARE CENTER WHICH HE COULD GO IN TO SELL OR DEVELOP WAS GOING TO PRODUCE 80 TRIPS IN THE MORNING AND 80 TRIPS AT NIGHT ONTO WOODLAWN ROAD, A STOP SIGN INTERSECTION. HE DID NOT THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE, HE THOUGHT AND HE WAS TOLD IF HE DEVELOPS THIS WITH THE SAME TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURALLY APPEALING PROPERTIES, TWO ON THE SAME TYPE OF , SAME AS ON THE OTHER SIDE THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL, THE FRONT, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT ONLY PRODUCED FIVE TRIPS AND THAT'S WHAT THE ENGINEER SAID AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRANSPORTATION EXPERTS HAVE TOLD YOU. THE FACT IS THAT HE WOULD BE PREPARED TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY. HE HAS WANTED TO ALL THE LONG. HE LOVES THIS COMMUNITY, HE DEVELOPED IT. HE WAS SO YOU CAN LIMIT TO TWO STORIES IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES. HE WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE TELLING THEM YOU THINK EIGHT UNITS IS MORE APPROPRIATE THAN 12 HE WOULD DO THAT. IS NOT GOING TO NEGOTIATE HIMSELF, WE TRIED TO TALK AND THERE IS NO NEGOTIATION OTHER THAN WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING THERE AND WE HEARD THAT AGAIN TODAY. YOU HEARD A PROPOSAL FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES, THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT CREATES A ROAD OFF THE BACK RIGHT BEHIND PEOPLE'S HOUSES. THAT WAS NOT COMING FROM THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE RIGHT BEHIND IT, THIS IS WHAT THE HOUSE IS RIGHT BEHIND IT LOOK LIKE RIGHT HERE. THIS IS WHAT THE MULTI FAMILY LOOKS LIKE. SIMILAR. EVERY ONE OF THESE, EVEN THESE AGAIN YOU HEAR THAT APARTMENT COXES FOR THIS IS NOT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX FOR RENT, IT IS WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE, THESE MULTI FAMILY TWO BUILDINGS, TWO BUILDINGS , THE PARKING IS PROVIDED ON SITE JUST LIKE IT IS HERE. YOU DID NOT HEAR ANY TESTIMONY ABOUT THIS SECTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THERE IS PARKING ALL OVER THE ROADS. THESE ARE THE SAME UNITS BEING PROPOSED. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE OVERHEAD , AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING ALREADY DEVELOPED ON SITE. HE ONLY NEEDS THESE

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THREE FOR GUEST PARKING, PROPOSED GUEST PARKING.

PEOPLE MAKING INSINUATIONS OR GUESSTIMATES OR FEARS WHICH CANNOT BE THE BASIS FOR AN APPROVAL OR DENIAL SAYING WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, THEY WILL USE THIS, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO THAT AT ALL. AGAIN, YOU SEE WHERE THIS IS LOCATED, RIGHT NEAR THE FRONT WHERE THE ACCESS TO THE EXIT IS. NOT GOING BACK IN HERE. TALKING ABOUT THE MODIFICATION TO TAKE OUT A USE WHICH APPEARS TO BE SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT BE COMPATIBLE. SOMETHING THAT WILL PRODUCE 80 TRIPS IN THE MORNING AND 80 TRIPS AT NIGHT. THIS IS A COMPATIBILITY FOR THIS PROPOSAL WHICH IS MORE COMPATIBLE THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED OR WHAT IS ALLOWED FOR NOW. PUTTING UP ON THE SCREEN AND YOU CAN SEE IN MY POWERPOINT, YOU CAN SEE IT SAYS TWO MULTIFAMILY SIX UNIT BUILDINGS. YOU HAVE PLANNING AND ZONING DIVISION OF YOU WOULD SAYS THIS MEETS THE CODE, AND MEETS THE PARKING CRITERIA. WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT REDUCTION IN OVER 250 TRIPS, 80 IN THE MORNING AND AT NIGHT. YOU HEARD A LOT ABOUT COMPATIBILITY. AGAIN IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING, BUT THE COMPATIBILITY IS WHAT YOU CONSIDER AND YOU HEARD THAT FROM SOME OF THE SPEAKERS, COMPATIBILITY IS WHAT YOU CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THIS PARTICULAR USE IS COMPATIBLE.

YOU HEARD OR YOU WILL HEAR IN A MINUTE, YOU HEARD, YOU WILL HEAR WHAT THE MAJORITY SAID AS TO THE COMPATIBILITY IN THEIR MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THIS. GO AHEAD AND PLAY IT.

COMPATIBILITY, I THINK YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION COMPARED TO WHAT? SO IF THE EXPECTATION IS FOR DAYCARE I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. DAY CARES ARE VERY NOISY, TRAFFIC IS VERY MUCH CONCENTRATED DURING PEAK HOURS WHEREAS FOR 12 TOWNHOMES THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE SPREAD OUT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

SO I BELIEVE THIS PROPOSED USE IS MORE COMPATIBLE THAN THE USE THAT THE FOLKS BOUGHT INTO WHEN THEY BOUGHT INTO THE COMMUNITY. I THINK IT IS MORE COMPATIBLE. IT COMPLIES WITH THE CONFERENCE A PLAN NOT EXCEEDING DENSITY. IT REDUCES THE TRAFFIC AND CERTAINLY REDUCES NOISE BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIMITATION AS I RECALL ON HERE FOR NOT HAVING OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND. SO GOD FOR BID IF YOU WORK NIGHTS AND LEAVE BEHIND THERE RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD NOT BE GOOD. I ALSO WENT AND LOOKED AT IT AND WHEN I LOOK AT IT I SEE WHY THERE ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE AND I FEEL FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THAT PIECE IS PART OF THE HOA PROPERTY AND IT IS BEING TREATED AS SUCH. SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE BEST SOLUTION HERE IS FOR THE HOA TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY IN SOME SHAPE OR FASHION AND HOPEFULLY THE OWNER WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT. ALL OF THAT BEING SAID I WILL VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO ME IT IS MORE COMPATIBLE THAN THE USE THAT THESE OWNERS BOUGHT INTO AT THE TIME. SO THAT IS , AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT A DAYCARE IN THE AREA, YOU KNOW IT'S VERY POSSIBLE FOR THE HOUSE IS THERE TO LOWER THE VALUES MORE THAN IF MULTI FAMILY USE MIGHT, I'M NOT SURE THAT MULTIFAMILY USE WILL BUT A DAYCARE COULD LOWER IT EVEN

MORE. THOSE ARE MY POINTS. >> SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS DAYCARE USE AND A DISCUSSION ABOUT MULTIPURPOSE TRAIL, THIS IS WHERE THE TRAIL ON THE APPROVED MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE. WHETHER OR NOT IT GOES ACROSS THE PROPERTY THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY ITSELF. THIS IS WHAT'S APPROVED TO GO THERE AND EVERYBODY CAN SAY HEY WE WANT THAT GO PUT IT THERE. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IF YOU DON'T 80 TRIPS IN

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THE MORNING AND FORGET ABOUT 80, MAYBE THAT IS AN OVER ESTIMATION. WHAT IF IT IS 40 TRIPS? WHAT IF WE PUT 40 TRIPS IN THE MORNING COMING OUT OF THE STOP SIGN ON TO WOODLAWN EVERY MORNING? THAT'S NOT COMPATIBLE, THIS IS COMPATIBLE.

THE CHARTS, YOUR OWN EXPERT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS TELL YOU THIS PRODUCES FIVE, FIVE WITH THE PROPOSAL. SO IN THE END WE ARE ASKING YOU TO LOOK AT THIS , TO LOOK AT THE COMPATIBILITY OF THIS BASED ON A COMPARISON OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT THERE AND AGAIN THE FAMILY IS PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD IN A FASHION THAT IS APPROPRIATE AND THAT'S WHAT HE THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE. APPROPRIATE, TAKING OFF THE 250 TRIPS . IF IT MEANS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MORE REGULATIONS BASED ON YOUR THOUGHTS OR DISCUSSIONS, THEN HE IS WILLING TO DISCUSS THAT BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THE PROPOSAL FOR TWO MULTI FAMILY BUILDINGS WITH 12 UNITS WAS FOUND TO BE MORE COMPATIBLE BY PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND THE REDUCTION OF THE TRAFFIC TRIPS MAKE THIS AN APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATION. ALL OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT DRAINAGE, PARKING, YOU KNOW WHY THERE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT DRAINAGE? BECAUSE THIS IS A UNDEVELOPED LOT, WHEN IT IS DEVELOPED THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL THE COUNTY CRITERIA. THAT'S WHY YOU SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MEET THAT AND THE STAFF FINDS THAT THEY WILL IF THIS PROPOSAL GOES FORWARD.

AGAIN, WE BELIEVE THIS IS COMPATIBLE. WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE USE THAN THE DAYCARE THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT THERE AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS? >> I HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE WHEN IT'S READY. COMMENTS, I WILL MAKE A MOTION.

>> COMMISSIONER. >> I DO HAVE SOME BRIEF COMMENTS. WE CANNOT BY LAW IF YOU LOOK UP , WE CANNOT CONSIDER HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FOR OR AGAINST SOMETHING, SO, EVEN IF IT MEANS YOU WON'T VOTE FOR US WE CANNOT CONSIDER THAT, THIS IS A JUDICIAL ITEM YOU DO HAVE TO BY LAW CONSIDER THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S THE WAY THE COOKIE CRUMBLES. IT IS THE LAW AND WE MUST FOLLOW THE LAW. WHAT I DID THINK WAS COMPELLING IS SHE BOUGHT HER HOME KNOWING THAT A DAYCARE WAS GOING TO GO THERE SO I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS YOU CAN REASONABLY DO AS A HOMEOWNER WHEN YOU PURCHASE A HOME, LOOK AT CURRENT ENTITLEMENT, THE CURRENT ZONING OR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WHICH IS ZONING THAT IS REASONABLE TO COME IN THE FUTURE. YOU HAD CURRENT ENTITLEMENT SO YOU COULD ASSUME REASONABLY IF YOU PURCHASED YOUR HOME THERE WOULD BE A DAYCARE THERE. THAT WAS ENTITLED. BASED ON THAT I AM INCLINED TO VOTE NO ON THE PROJECT, THERE IS A COMPATIBILITY ISSUE BASED ON ENTITLED AND REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS THAT SO MANY RESIDENTS EXPRESS THEY HAD WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE HOME AND REASONABLE MINDS CAN DISAGREE. OTHERS MAY HAVE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND I'M NOT GOING TO VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE WITH THEM BUT THAT'S THE WAY I SEE THIS ITEM.

DEAN. >> YES FIRST I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING TODAY, BOTH THE APPLICANT AND CITIZENS WHO SPOKE. THIS IS WHAT I CONSIDER SORT OF DOWN AND DIRTY DEMOCRACY. WE HAVE GOOD DISCUSSIONS , WELL PREPARED AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT , YOU SEEM TO BE GOING THROUGH IT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS BUILT AFTER HERITAGE PARK I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THE FACT THAT THE PUD WAS APPROVED IN 2002. WE HAD THE RECESSION AND ALL OF THIS AND THAT SAID MY PERSONAL DEFINITION OF COMPATIBILITY IS IS THE PROPOSED USE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING USE SURROUNDING IT? BASICALLY THE RESIDENTIAL

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UNITS TO THE EAST AND SOUTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE ROUGHLY AROUND THREE UNITS. THE PROPOSED IS 1.3 ACRES , THAT MEETS MY DEFINITION OF INCOMPATIBILITY. UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS PROJECT. WITH THAT SAID. MOTION TO DENY MAJOR 2310 HERITAGE PARK BASED UPON SEVEN FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT .

>> MOTION AND SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE.

>> YES. >> I AM YES.

>> COMMISSIONER. MOTION FAILS OR PASSES 5-0 TO DENY. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT.

[6. Public Hearing * Affordable Housing Advisory Committee Annual Report.]

YOU GUYS PLEASE TAKE YOUR CONVERSATION OUT , WE HAVE TO CONTINUE OUR BUSINESS, THANK YOU.

MERRY CHRISTMAS. >> OKAY GOOD AFTERNOON.

EXCITING DAY. WOW. ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS ALEX , AND 249 E.

PISA PLACE CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNTY AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I AM ALSO LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER AND THE BOARD PRESIDENT OF HABITAT FOR HUMANITY FOR SAINT AUGUSTINE.

I AM HERE TODAY AND HAVE THE PLEASURE OF PRESENTING TO YOU THE 2023 REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION ANNUAL REPORT.

WHICH IS BEFORE YOU AND IS AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY , TO THE PUBLIC ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE. I WAS EXPECTING A LOT MORE PEOPLE. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY AND YOUR STAFF FOR SUPPORTING THE EFFORTS OF OBTAINING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I WILL BE , I WILL BE REVIEWING THE ANNUAL REPORT IN DETAIL BUT HE WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME BRIEF CONTEXT ON OUR PURPOSE, THE CURRENT STATE OF THE COUNTY AND FUTURE RECOMMENDATIONS. WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY IN 1992 THE STATE PASSED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACT WHICH AMONG OTHER THINGS PROVIDES TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO BE USED FOR THE CREATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AS PART OF THE PROCESS THE AHAC COMMITTEE SUBMITS AND APPROVES YEARLY REPORT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT IF APPROVED TODAY , IF APPROVED TODAY WOULD BE SUBMITTED WITH THE COUNTY PLAN IN ORDER TO RECEIVE SHIP FUNDING. IN NOVEMBER THE AHAC COMMITTEE MET AND WE VOTED AND APPROVED THE AHAC REPORT. SO TODAY WE ASKED YOU TO VOTE YES ON THIS REPORT. ALSO IT'S CHRISTMAS. THE COMMITTEE IS 11 MEMBERS , SUE -- SOMEWHERE HERE TODAY AND IF YOU DON'T MIND STANDING UP AND RAISING YOUR HAND I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM FOR CONTINUED EFFORTS AND COMMITMENT. IT HAS BEEN A LONG DAY. OUR REPORT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED IN DECEMBER BEFORE WE CAN SUBMIT THE ANNUAL PLAN IN MAY. SO WHAT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING? THIS IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WHEN ADDRESSING THIS IS FINDING A STANDARDIZED RECOMMENDATION WHICH CAN VARY GREATLY EVEN THE WORD AFFORDABLE HOUSING CHANGES .

EVEN THE WORD AFFORDABLE HOUSING CHANGES AND HAS DIFFERENT CONTEXT DEPENDING ON WHOM YOU SPEAK WITH AND THE NAME CHANGES ACROSS THE BOARD FROM WORKFORCE HOUSING TO A CENTRAL HOUSING TO OBTAINABLE HOUSING AND MORE. MOST ORGANIZATIONS AND THE STATE AGREE NO MORE THAN 30% OF

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HOUSEHOLD INCOME SHOULD BE SPENT ON HOUSING COST SO IT DOES NOT BECOME A COST BURDEN. THIS NUMBER CAN BE A LOT MORE HIGHER, DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION AND THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME IS ANOTHER FACTOR IN DETERMINING AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH NO SPECIFIC NUMBER , THE PERCENTAGES ARE TIERED AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT CAN VARY WIDELY FROM COUNTY TO COUNTY WITH ONE OF THE HIGHEST AMIS IN THE STATE WHICH DRIVES HOUSING COST. THE SOLUTION VARIES GREATLY WHEN DEALING WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHETHER FOCUSING ON MENTAL OR HOMEOWNERSHIP. THEY EACH HAVE UNIQUE CHALLENGES AND REQUIRE DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS. THE PICTURES HERE ARE REAL EXAMPLES THAT I TOOK IN THE COMMUNITY WHICH IS THE REAL REASON WE ARE HERE TODAY. BECAUSE THE NEED IS HERE AND NOW FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, I AM NO EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT MATTER. AND I STILL STRUGGLE TRYING TO LEARN ALL THE POLICIES AND ENDLESS INFORMATION ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING HOWEVER, I AM A FLORIDA NATIVE AND A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I HAVE WITNESSED GROWTH AND EXPERIENCED THE BURDEN ON LOCAL BUSINESSES FIRST-HAND WITH HIGH COST OF LIVING. I PERSONALLY HAVE WELL OVER 5000 HOURS IN THIS COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERING THROUGH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, COUNCIL ON AGING, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AHAC AND MORE, I DO THIS BECAUSE I LOVE OUR COMMUNITY AND BECAUSE I COULD BE THE VOICE FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT BE HERE TODAY. I DO THIS FOR MRS. SMITH, THE 80-YEAR-OLD HOMEOWNER WHO HELPED PREPARE A MAJOR LEAK IN HER KITCHEN. SHE WAS TOO HUMBLE TO ASK FOR HELP BUT EXTREMELY GRATEFUL WHEN IT DID COME. AFTER FIXING THE LEAK I WAS AMAZED TO LEARN THIS ELDERLY LADY ALONG WITH TAKING CARE OF HERSELF WAS ALSO TAKING CARE OF TWO OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE BEDRIDDEN. I DO THIS FOR KEISHA, A MOTHER OF FOUR WORKING FULL-TIME WHO RECENTLY EARNED THE KEYS TO A BRAND-NEW HABITAT HOME, I HAD THE PLEASURE GIVING THIS SPEECH AT HER HOME DEDICATION AND I WAS OVERCOME WITH EMOTION, SEEING TEARS OF JOY KNOWING SHE HAD A SAFE PLACE TO CALL HOME FOR HER FAMILY , FOR HERSELF AND HER FAMILY. I DO THIS FOR COUNTLESS OTHER STORES AND INDIVIDUALS LIKE THIS IN THE COMMUNITY INCLUDING PEOPLE IN THE WORKFORCE THAT DRIVE FROM OTHER COUNTIES TO WORK YOUR OR MOVE AWAY BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. AND ALL EMPLOYERS ARE HIRING NONSTOP. SO WHAT IS HAPPENING? WITH MEDIAN PRICES IN RENTALS FOR HOMES, EXCUSE ME MEDIAN PRICES OF RENTALS AND HOMES AT THE CURRENT STATE HOUSEHOLDS ARE SPENDING MORE THAN 30% ON HOUSING WHICH IMPACTS EVERYONE.

NOT JUST ULTRA LOW EARNERS. TEACHERS, NURSES, FIRST RESPONDERS, SENIORS, FIXED INCOME EARNERS ARE ALL AFFECTED AND WE ARE SEEING IT NOW. MOST IMPORTANTLY NOT RECOGNIZED ARE THE SUPPORT STAFF TO GO ALONG WITH THESE PROFESSIONS. WHO WE ALL KNOW LIKES TO SAY FOR EVERYONE TEACHER HIRED THERE ARE THREE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE NEEDED TO SUPPORT. SURPRISINGLY I LIKE TO AGREE ON THAT. FOR THAT ONE TEACHER WE DO NEED COUNTLESS SUPPORT STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATION, JANITORIAL, MAINTENANCE, BUS DRIVERS AND MORE. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T GET MENTIONED IN THE STUDIES. SO BASED ON THE NUMBERS , BASED ON THESE NUMBERS THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS HERE AND GROWING. THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES. THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE DID A GREAT STUDY RECENTLY WHICH YOU HAVE ALL SEEN AND THAT IS A EGGS FROM IT FROM THE NEED HOUSING NEEDS IN THE COUNTY. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? THE COUNTY , WE HAVE A LOT OF PLANS IN PLACE AND THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN FIND THEM. THE POLICIES. WE CONTINUE TO DO MORE AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

WHEN WE DO MAKE POLICIES AND CHANGES, WE CAN SEE THAT PROGRESS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, 58 HOMES. ST. JOHN'S HOUSING

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PARTNERSHIP, COUNTLESS HOMES, ALPHA OMEGA 100 UNITS GOING UP. WHAT WE HAVE DONE, SAN MARCO HEIGHTS, 132 UNITS, VICTORIA CROSSING 96 UNITS. VILLAGES OF NEW AUGUSTINE, 92 UNITS. YEAH, WITH ALL THESE UNITS WE ARE STILL SHORT. WHEN WE DO UNDERTAKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THE IMPACT IS EVERLASTING. HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES , THANK YOU LETTERS THE COUNTY HAS RECEIVED FROM NEW HOMEOWNERS. I DO LIKE THAT ONE COMMENT AT THE TOP HIGHLIGHTED THE WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE , WE ARE HOMEOWNERS, THAT MAKES ME VERY PROUD AND SHOULD MAKE YOU VERY DIFFERENCE IN THE COUNTY. SO - MOVING FORWARD, THE AHAC ANNUAL REPORT HAS MULTIPLE RECOMMENDATIONS. ON WAYS TO ASSIST WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE READ IT OVER AND EMBRACE THE IDEAS. OUR GOAL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR IS TO REACH OUT TO YOU AND TO MEET WITH YOU SO WE CAN ALL COLLABORATE ON EFFECTIVE STRATEGIES THAT WORK BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY IN ADDRESSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. LASTLY.

WHAT THIS ALL COMES DOWN TO IS PAYLESS NOW OR MORE LATER, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A KEY ELEMENT IN CONTINUING TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY STRONG AND SECURE. UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NO ONE SOLUTION NOR INDIVIDUAL WHO CAN SOLVE ALL OF THIS. IT TAKES ALL OF US WORKING TOGETHER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS MISSION THAT WE ALL CARE SO MUCH ABOUT. LASTLY I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH ONE QUOTE WHICH IRONICALLY I SAW TODAY. WHEN YOU HELP SOMEONE , YOU HELP EVERYONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH

FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> WE WILL NOW OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. IF YOU WILL PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. >> HELLO 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE.

A GREAT WAY TO FINISH THE DAY AND HE SAYS HE'S NOT A EXPERT WOULD PICK HIM ON MY THAT COMMITMENT AND THE COMMITMENT OF EVERYBODY WHO SERVES ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE, THANK YOU. SO LOOK, IT IS EXCITING TIMES, I THINK THE ICE IS RAKING. I RECEIVED THE NEIGHBORHOOD BILL OF RIGHTS AND PROJECTS ARE COMING FORWARD. EITHER ASKING FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING DISTRICT OR PROPOSING SOME WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS IT IS EXCITING. AFTER IDENTIFYING COUNTY POLICIES THAT WILL AFFECT YOUR DECISIONS I WANT TO ADD A COUPLE OF IMPORTANT ONES AND THAT IS IN THE PLAN POINT A 111 AND THAT READS BASICALLY WELL FIRST OF ALL IT DOES HAVE THE DENSITY BONUSES FOR EXAMPLE THAT ALLOWS AREA INSTEAD OF TWO ALLOW SIX IF IT IS A WORKFORCE HOUSING DISTRICT SO IT GOES. IMPORTANT TO APPLY THIS LANGUAGE AS WELL WHICH READS IT MAKES THE COMMENT THAT NOTHING IN THIS PROVISION SHALL BE CONSTRUED TO GUARANTEE THE ACHIEVEMENT OF MAXIMUM DENSITY OF ANY SPECIFIC PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND IT GOES FURTHER TO SAY DENSITY SHALL BE DETERMINED ON A SITE SPECIFIC BASIS CONSIDERING DESIGN COMPATIBILITY, INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO FORTH. AS ONE EXAMPLE LAST YEAR THE COMMISSION ISSUED A REPORT PROPOSING SIX UNITS AND IT WAS DEEMED TO BE INCOMPATIBLE AT THE MARKET RATE IT CAME BACK SIX UNITS A WORKFORCE HOUSING. AND IT SEEMED REALLY APPEALING ON THAT BASIS, BUT MY HAT IS OFF TO EACH OF YOU, YOU VOTED AGAIN 5-0 TO DENY THAT ON THE BASIS OF COMPATIBILITY AND I THINK YOU PROPERLY APPLIED THE THE COMPATIBILITY AND INCOMPATIBILITY STANDARD. IT IS EXCITING, THE ICE IS BREAKING, WE HAD PROJECTS COMING FORWARD. I WANT THEM ALL APPROVED, I REALLY DO WANT ALL OF THOSE UNITS, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO CONSIDER THE SITE SPECIFIC BASIS FOR THESE. PARTICULARLY WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORS FOR SUDDENLY HAVING A MUCH HIGHER DENSITY OF NEIGHBORS WHETHER IT IS MARKET

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RATE OR WORKFORCE HOUSING. I KNOW YOU WILL KEEP THAT IN MIND AND APPLY THE STANDARD SO THINK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. I AM AN ARCHITECT FOR THE 34 DRIVE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT OUR COMP PLAN COMING UP IN WHAT WE CAN DO AS PART OF THE MISSING MIDDLE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AS ONE OF THE SOLUTION TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I WANT TO SAY I THINK YOU MADE THE RIGHT DECISION IN THIS LAST CASE. I THINK WITH A BETTER PRESENTATION AND MORE DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE IT MAY HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT STORY. THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE WAS PROPERLY APPLIED. SINCE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES, SINGLE-FAMILY TOWNHOUSE AND LARGE APARTMENTS ARE THE ONLY OPTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR HOUSING.

THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING UP PRICES. THE MISSING MIDDLE WAS COINED BY A CALIFORNIA ARCHITECT AND THIS IS SOME OF THE WORK THEY DO. THERE IS A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES HERE.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, WE CAN ONLY DO THE DUPLEX AND THE TOWN HOUSES SO YOU HAVE ALL THESE OTHER VARIETIES OF HOUSES AND THESE ARE NOT ALL OF THEM.

THEY CANNOT BE BILLED HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE PROPER ZONING. SO WITH CHANGES TO THE ZONING AND THE COMPANY IS A PLAN, THE SITE DENSITY, BEING SITE SPECIFIC WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO DOING THINGS LIKE THIS SO WE CAN GET THE HOUSING WE NEED FOR FIREFIGHTERS , TEACHERS, NURSES, POLICE OFFICERS. IT IS GOING TO TAKE BOLD INITIATIVE STEPS THAT REQUIRE CREATIVITY. I PLAN TO BE AT AS MANY WORKSHOPS AS I CAN BE FOR THE COMP PLAN. I WILL CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THESE TYPES OF THINGS. THERE ARE OTHER METHODS I'VE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL OF YOU ABOUT THAT ARE BEING USED ACROSS THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW WITH GREAT SUCCESS. WHEN WE ARE IN A PLACE WHERE THE AVERAGE HOME PRICE IS OVER $500,000 IT'S MAKING IT TOUGH FOR PEOPLE WHO SERVE US TO LIVE HERE AND WE CERTAINLY WANT THEM TO BE HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, I HOPE YOU HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR AND WE WILL SEE

YOU IN THE NEW YEAR. >> THANK YOU.

HOUSING PARTNERSHIP. WE HAVE BEEN BRINGING THESE REPORTS TO YOU EVERY YEAR FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS NOW. I THINK WE ARE SLOWLY SEEING PROGRESS. TODAY WAS KIND OF INTERESTING SITTING HERE. I MOVED HERE IN 95. I HAVE BEEN WATCHING SUMMERHOUSE WASHED AWAY ON AND OFF EVERY YEAR SINCE MOTHER NATURE COMES AND HITS IT WIPES IT AND IT'S KIND WITH THE FREE MARKET DOES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE WE SEE THE SAME THING, LINCOLNVILLE DRAMATICALLY CHANGES BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO PAY IN ORDER AND IT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO LIVE DOWNTOWN. WE SEE THAT IN WEST AUGUSTINE NOW. THE IDEA BEHIND THE PROPOSAL IS WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BENEFIT WORKFORCE HOUSING. IT WILL BENEFIT KEEPING THE EMPLOYEE BASE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THE CHAMBER'S REPORT, WHAT IT SAYS IS IF YOUR HOUSEHOLD IS NOT MAKE 80,000 OR MORE PER YEAR YOU CANNOT OWN A HOME IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY. THAT IS A SHAME, THERE ARE WAYS TO FIX THAT BUT IT TAKES SOME REGULATORY RELIEF AND YOU'VE GOT TO COME YOU KNOW WHEN YOU GIVE A DENSITY BONUS TO SOMEONE THAT BECOMES PERMANENT. THEY CANNOT COME BACK AND SAY I CAN'T DO IT NOW.

WHEN HOUSING PARTNERSHIP BUILD SOMETHING OR THE HABITAT BUILD SOMETHING UP PRICES GO UP WE ARE STUCK WITH PROVIDING THE SAME PRODUCT TO THE PERSON EXPECTING IT SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE CREATIVE. BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS CAN DO THE SAME THING BUT WHEN YOU GIVE THESE BONUSES OR ANYTHING ELSE, TIE THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE, DO IT WITH DEEP RESTRICTION OR SOMETHING TO SAY IF WE GIVE YOU THIS WE WANT TO SEE THE PRODUCT. IT IS NOT THE COST OF IT THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. IT'S THE HOUSEHOLD INCOME THAT DEFINES WHO IT IS THAT'S BUYING IT. WHEN SOMEONE SAYS I WILL DO IT AND SELL IT TO SOMEBODY FOR $315,000, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE PRICE IS, IF THEY ARE IN A CERTAIN AREA THE MORTGAGE IS $1400 A MONTH WITH USDA FINANCING. THAT IS AFFORDABLE YOU CANNOT TOUCH A NEW RENTAL IN WEST AUGUSTINE FOR LESS THAN $2000

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RIGHT NOW. SO WE NEED YOUR HELP, THE IDEAS WE HAVE, WE HOPE WITH THE NEW COMP PLAN CHANGES THAT THEY GET INCORPORATED INTO IT. WE NEED YOU ALL TO SET GOALS, THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL HAS POINTED OUT THERE IS A TREMENDOUS DEFICIT IN RENTAL AND HOMEOWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY HAPPENING ACROSS THE STATE. PEOPLE ARE SAYING NOW A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE POPULATION IS SPENDING MORE THAN 50% OF INCOME ON HOUSING. THAT'S A FAMILY THAT'S ONE STEP AWAY FROM FALLING APART. IF A CAR BREAKS DOWN, THEY MISS WORK OR THEY GET SICK THEY ARE TOAST. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND IF YOU SAID GOALS FOR STAFF PEOPLE HAVE TO RESPOND TO THE GOALS AND FIGURE OUT WHY WE MADE IT OR DIDN'T SO PLEASE CONSIDER PUTTING GOALS TO THE MEASURES AND SAY WE WANT TO SEE THIS OR

THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MADAM?

>> CAN ASK A QUESTION? I WAS WONDERING BECAUSE YOU'RE KIND OF THE GURU OF THIS. I LOVE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND ALL THAT BUT I WORRY ABOUT BUILDERS COMING IN TO BUILD QUICK THINGS AND IT'S NOT DOING WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO DO SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS A MARKET SUPPLY AND DEMAND OR THE MARKET CRASHES LIKE THEY SEE ON THE NEWS WE LOVE THEM A REAL ESTATE CRASH. WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR SOMEBODY BEING ABLE TO GET INTO RENTAL VERSUS A HOUSE , DOES IT MAKE THE RENTAL HIGHER OR LOWER? DOES THE HIGHS -- HOUSE PRICE GO DOWN?

>> LISTEN TO PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HOW THEY ARE CONCERN ABOUT RENTALS POPPING UP IN A SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. 20% OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN AMERICA NOW ARE OWNED BY CORPORATIONS. THEY ARE RENTING THEM OUT, NOT AFFORDABLY. I HAVE READ THROUGH SOME OF THE LEASES AND THEY ARE EGREGIOUS.

MOST FOLKS WANT TO BUY A HOME. WHEN WE SAW THE LAST RECESSION, THE MAJORITY OF HOUSEHOLDS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY THAT BOUGHT HOMES THROUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS GOT DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, THEY REMAINED STABLE BECAUSE WE DID NOT LET PEOPLE BUY OVER AND ABOVE WHAT THEY COULD. THEY WERE THERE AND I TELL PEOPLE IF THEY BUY FROM US THEY SHOULD PLAN TO STAY 10 YEARS WITH A WALKWAY AS A RENTER. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS BUT YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE REST OF THE WORLD OR THE REST OF THE MARKETS WITH DEVELOPMENT POPPING UP, BUT WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE IS HOUSING COUNSELING THAT GOES INTO IT. ANY LANDLORD IS NOT GOING TO RENT TO SOMEBODY THAT YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO EVICT IN THREE MONTHS. YOU WANT TO RENT TO SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS THEY WILL PAY THE RENT FOR 12 MONTHS BECAUSE EVICTIONS ARE A PAIN IN THE NECK AND YOU ALWAYS LOSE MONEY ON IT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S THAT MUCH CONCERN WITH AFFORDABLE RENTAL PROPERTY, THE NEWS THAT YOU SEE SOMETIMES PEOPLE REFER TO IS BAD MANAGEMENT NOT BECAUSE IT'S A BAD IDEA IT'S BECAUSE WHOEVER OWNS IT AND MANAGES IT DOES NOT DO A GREAT JOB THAT'S LIKE SAYING I HAD A LOUSY MECHANIC GOING TO GIVE UP ON MY CAR.

FIND A BETTER MECHANIC. DOES THAT HELP?

>> THANK YOU.

GOOD POINTS. I WANT TO COMMEND THE FACT THAT TWO COUNTY COMMISSIONERS VOTED TO SUPPORT PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY. I AM HOPING AT THE END OF THIS DISCUSSION THERE WILL BE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THE DECISION AND SUPPORT PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY. WE CAN GET FEDERAL FUNDING, WE LEFT MILLIONS ON THE TABLE, EVERY SINGLE YEAR THAT WE REFUSE TO ADOPT. THE REASONS WHY WE DID NOT ADOPT PHA WERE RAISED IN A COMPLAINT THAT I FILED WITH HUD UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT BECAUSE THE CHAIR OF THIS COMMISSION AT THE TIME SAID HE DID NOT WANT THE KIND OF PEOPLE LIVING IN HIS COUNTY WHO GOT HUD SECTION 8 HOUSING VOUCHERS. 65% OF THOSE FOLKS ARE EITHER BLACK OR HISPANIC. NO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FILED AN ANSWER THROUGH OUTSIDE ATTORNEY HIRING AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY TO DEFEND MY FAIR HOUSING ACT COMPLAINT. I WAS NOT SERVED WITH A COPY OF THAT AND I DID A RECORDS REQUEST FOR YOUR ANSWER IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED. SO WHY WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY FIRST OF ALL HIRING OUTSIDE COUNCIL TO DEFEND THE CASE AND THEN WHY DIDN'T HE OR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OFFICE SERVE A COPY OF THE ANSWER. IN LITIGATION THERE IS DIALECT, THERE'S COMPLAINT AND ANSWER. AND THEN THERE IS A

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DECISION-MAKER. IF THE COMPLAINANT DOES NOT GET A COPY OF THE COMPLAINT WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? WHAT KIND OF LAW IS THAT? MY ANSWER WOULD BE THAT'S JIM CROW LAW. YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS. YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTY. REVEREND DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. SAID THAT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WAS THE MOST LAWLESS PLACE IN AMERICA AND I LOOKED AT THIS EXCELLENT REPORT FROM AHAC , VERY WELL DONE. IT MAKES NO MENTION OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE FAIR HOUSING ACT. I TOLD YOU ALL BEFORE BUT ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DAD. AFTER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT WAS ADOPTED MY DAD A PARATROOPER, A VETERAN OF WORLD WAR II , THREE COMBAT JUMPS INCLUDING NORMANDY ABOUT TO TAKE THE FIRST TOWN TAKEN BACK THE NAACP CAME TO MY DAD REAL ESTATE OFFICE AND SAID CONGRATULATIONS , YOU ARE THE ONLY REALTOR IN SOUTH JERSEY THAT WOULD SHOW A HOME TO A BLACK COUPLE. AND DAD WAS VERY PROUD OF IT. HE REMEMBERED IT AND HE TOLD THE COUPLE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE ANYWHERE YOU WANT. COME ON LET'S GO I WILL SHOW YOU THE HOUSE. IT IS ADOPTED, THE MOTION TODAY IT'S CHRISTMAS THANK YOU.

>> 1748 N. , I LIKE THE SLIDE THAT'S UP NOW WITH TWO ITEMS IN THERE THAT WILL REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE PROGRESS , IT RELIES ON ALL PARTIES ALL PARTIES AND THE LAST ONE MULTI PRONG APPROACH , THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS. WHY NOT AT THE NEXT BUDGET MEETING LOOK TO INCREASE FIRST RESPONDER SALARIES WITH THE TEACHER SALARIES? I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE CONTROL OVER THAT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO HELP OUT THE PEOPLE THAT CANNOT AFFORD HOUSING RIGHT NOW, NOT JUST WITH HOMES BUT IN OTHER WAYS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT NO ACTION BE TAKEN ON THIS ITEM TODAY BECAUSE , THIS COUNTY IS IN THE PROCESS, THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS OF REVISING , REVIEWING AND REVISING AND HOPEFULLY IMPROVING THE COMP PLAN. I BELIEVE IT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT THIS SHOULD BE PART OF THAT PROCESS . IF THIS COMMISSION IS NOT WILLING TO DO SOMETHING AS SIMPLE RELATIVELY SIMPLE AS ENTERTAINING A TREE ORDINANCE WITHOUT PUTTING IT FORWARD , SETTING IT ASIDE TO BE DEALT WITH AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN THEN HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU JUSTIFY DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN, DO IT RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> MANAGER CAN I ASK A QUESTION? THIS HAS TO BE DONE BY LAW? AHAC THEY PUT IT OUT AND IT HAS TO BE DONE MANDATORY?

>> THAT IS CORRECT, THIS IS A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT. IT'S

THE LAW. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. SEEN ON WE WILL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THAT TAKES US BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY DISCUSSIONS, COMMENT OR MOTION?

>> I WILL OFFER A MOTION MADAM CHAIR AND THANK YOU TO MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS ON AHAC. THIS IS NOT AN EASY ISSUE TO DEAL WITH. WE WORK REALLY HARD ON THIS I WILL OFFER A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023-529 TO ACCEPT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE INCENTIVE REVIEW WITH RECOMMENDATIONS

ANNUAL REPORT. >> SECOND.

[Public Comment (Part 2 of 2)]

>> VOICE VOTE IF THERE IS NO FOR THE DISCUSSION.

>> I WISH THERE WAS SOMEONE REPRESENTING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THE FIREMEN I KNOW THAT'S NOT PART OF IT, BUT IF YOU LIKE THE IMPACT AND THE DENSITY AFFECTS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP WITH HOUSES.

>> OKAY LET'S VOTE . >> NO

>> I AM YES. >> YES. YES. PASSES 4-1.

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WILL TAKE US ON.

>> WE WILL NOW OPEN UP TO THE SECOND PORTION OF PUBLIC, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YOU CAN GUESS WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT. CHRISTMAS AND GOD AND I DO PRAY, I PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY BECAUSE GOD LOVES EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT UP THERE AND IT IS HARD AND I KNOW EMOTIONS GET IN THE WAY BUT HE LOVES YOU, HE LOVES US SO MUCH. HE GAVE US HIS SON WHO PAID THE PRICE SO WE COULD BE CLOSE TO GOD AND HE IS LOOKING AT EACH ONE OF US AND HE WANTS US TO LOOK BACK SO I HAVE ONE SUGGESTION FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON. BESIDES MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU BY JUST BEING KIND AND LOVING THEM WHICH YOU PROABLY DO ANYWAY AT CHRISTMAS ESPECIALLY. WHEN YOU LISTEN TO CHRISTMAS, WHEN YOU GO TO CHURCH, IN YOUR CAR, NOT JINGLE BELLS OR SANTA OR ELF ON THE SHELF, BUT THE SONGS THAT ARE THE GOOD CHRISTMAS SONGS. LISTEN WITH YOUR HEART AND ASK GOD TO SPEAK WITH YOU FOR NOT ABOUT RELIGION OR CHURCH, IT'S NOT ABOUT A DENOMINATION FOR IT IS GOD HAVING AN INDIVIDUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH EACH ONE OF US AND THAT'S WHAT HE SPEAKS IN OUR HEARTS NOT HEADS SO ASK HIM TO SHOW HIS LOVE FOR YOU AND I BLESS YOU ALL AND I WISH YOU ALL A VERY VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS. THANK YOU.

OVERHEAD. WE TALK ABOUT THE JOY OF CHRISTMAS. I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THE JOY OF CHRISTMAS. I WANT TO SHARE THAT, THAT IS MY GREAT GRANDSON. AND I WANT TO WISH EVERY ONE OF YOU A JOYOUS MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR.

>> MERRY CHRISTMAS. I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO ANDREW YOUNG REVEREND YOUNG ALMOST KILLED IN SAINT AUGUSTINE IN 1964 BY SEGREGATIONISTS AND HE LATER BECAME A CONGRESSMN AND LATER BECAME OUR UNITED NATIONS AMBASSADOR. AS I HAVE DISCUSSED WITH AT LEAST ONE OR TWO OF YOU ANDREW YOUNG WHEN HE WAS HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE A FEW YEARS AGO VISITING HE SAID AND WROTE IN HIS BOOK THAT IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN DEALING WITH CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS TO LET THE OTHER FELLA SAVE FACE AND THAT'S WHY I'M UP HERE SUGGESTING YOU REVERSE YOUR VOTE ON CENTER OF COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. I UNDERSTAND BILL CLINTON WOULD SAY YOU'RE GOING DOWN A ROAD AND YOU SEE A ON A FENCE POST IN OH SOMEBODY PUT IT THERE.

CALLING ATTENTION TO THE VOTE THAT YOU TOOK ON DECEMBER 5TH YOU VOTED TO CENSURE, DECEMBER 6TH I DID A RECORDS REQUEST FOR ALL THE DOCUMENTS RELATED TO COMMISSIONER DEANS RESEARCH, COUNTY ATTORNEY RESEARCH AND HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY DOCUMENTS.

WONDER WHY. THE NEXT DAY DECEMBER 7TH SOMEBODY IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY HIRED RAY TREADWELL AS THE ATTORNEY ON THAT MISSION, $400 PER HOUR. A NEW LAWYER WHILE HE HAD BEEN A LAWYER BUT HE WORKED FOR GOVERNOR DESANTIS CHIEF DEPUTY GENERAL COUNSEL FOR GOVERNOR DESANTIS. STARTED WORK IN JULY WITH A LAW FIRM IN WHICH A FORMER JUSTICE WAS A PARTNER. THIS REMINDS ME OF ARTHUR MILLER'S PLAY THE CRUCIBLE. TALK ABOUT THE WITCHHUNT , WHAT YOU ALL DO TO COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WAS A WITCHHUNT AND I LOVE WHAT MY FRIEND CITY COMMISSIONER FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH HAD TO

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SAY, LEGAL ANALYSIS ABOUT WHAT YOU DID. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

NOW WHEN JFK APPOINTED BOBBY KENNEDY TO BE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HE SAID I'M GOING TO GIVE ROBERT SOME LEGAL EXPENSE BEFORE HE GOES OUT TO PRACTICE LAW. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH MR. TREADWELL? DID MR. TREADWELL AND HIS LAW FIRM SOLICIT THE CASE? FROM DECEMBER 5TH UNTIL DECEMBER 7TH WHAT HAPPENED? DID WE DO RFP OR RFQ ? HOW IS IT THIS POLITICALLY CONNECTED LAW FIRM GOT HIRED TO PERSECUTE COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? I AM PREPARED TO FORGIVE YOU IF YOU VOTE TODAY TO REVERSE THAT BUT DROPPED THE OYSTER , HOW HAVE WE BUDGETED FOR THIS MISSION IMPOSSIBLE? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> NICOLE CROSBY , I TOOK A LITTLE STROLL ON THE BEACH THE OTHER DAY AND AS I WALKED IN I SAW WHAT I HAVE SEEN FOR PROBABLY SIX MONTHS NOW. ONE FOOT SHOWER WORKING, THREE BROKEN , THREE OVERHEAD SHOWERS BARELY WORKING, TRICKLING. REMINDING ME OF THE SUMMER.

DOZENS OF PEOPLE LINING UP BEHIND THE ONE UNBROKEN SHOWER, MANY CALLS I MADE TO TRY TO REPAIR SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE PRETTY INEXPENSIVE TO KEEP REPAIRED, SHOULD BE INEXPENSIVE TO KEEP SOMEBODY ON TOP OF THIS IN THE MOST USED BEACH IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. IF YOU DEFINE MOST USED BY THE MOST PARKING SPACES. I THINK ABOUT HOW WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO KEEP FOOT SHOWERS REPAIRED AT THE BEACH BUT SOMEHOW WE HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND ON AN ATTORNEY ON A WITCHHUNT . THE ATTORNEY GENERAL COULD'VE BEEN CONSULTED FOR A FREE LEGAL OPINION AND THAT DID NOT OCCUR. THERE BEEN A LOT OF WISHES OF MERRY CHRISTMAS, BUT YOU KNOW COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WILL BE SPENDING CHRISTMAS WITH THIS HANGING OVER HER. IT HAS BEEN A MONTH SINCE SHE SAID THE WORDS THAT SHE HAS BEEN ATTACKED OVER AND WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN ONE WORD BACK IN THE LAST MONTH. IF SHE REALLY DID SOMETHING THAT VIOLATED STATE STATUTE. I TEND TO BELIEVE SHE DID NOT BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE HEARD SO FAR, WHATEVER ANALYSIS WE HAVE IN THE FACT THAT THE COMMISSIONER WHO MADE THE MOTION TO CENSURE HER EVEN HIMSELF ADMITTED HE DID NOT KNOW IF SHE HAD DONE ANYTHING THAT WAS A VIOLATION. SO I'M GOING TO ECHO WHAT WAS SAID. HE AND I MAY NOT SEE EYE TO EYE ALL THE TIME, OBVIOUSLY BASED ON MY LAST COMMENT THAT I MADE.

ON THIS WHEN HE IS RIGHT ON THE MONEY. I HOPE WE CAN ALL COME TOGETHER AND MOVE FORWARD AND TRY AND WORK TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY AND TRY AND STOP THIS POLITICAL INFIGHTING AND MUDSLINGING THAT HAS GOTTEN US TO THIS POINT. AND I KNOW, I SEE THE EXPRESSION ON ONE COMMISSIONERS FACE AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WHEN THAT COMMISSIONER ADMONISHED ME FOR ATTACKING SOMEBODY AT NEXT DOOR AND I DID NOT FEEL I ATTACK ANYBODY, THAT PERSON ATTACKED ME AND HER COMMENT WAS REMOVED. SO I THINK THE EVIDENCE IS THERE WHO IS ATTACKING WHO. AT ANY RATE , THE JOSEPH CENSURE WAS NOT CALLED FOR. IT WAS WRONG AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER RETRACTING IT AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. AND IF IT'S

RIGHT -- >> ANYONE ELSE FOR GENERAL

PUBLIC COMMENT? >> LET ME FIRST THANK THE RESIDENTS WHO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS AND RESPECT THE THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT. I KNOW IT'S HARD BUT WE HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT TO SOME OF THESE PEOPLE. THEY ARE TRYING THEIR BEST. I WAS ASKED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE CENTER OF COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, SO I AM. HANDLING THE MOTION TO CENSURE COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD BROKE THE RULES OF THE BY REFUSING

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TO RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WHEN SHE PROPERLY CALLED FOR A POINT OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE . THE CHAIR DID THE SAME THING LATER WHEN COMMISSIONER JOSEPH ASKED FOR A POINT OF ORDER. WHEN COMMISSIONER JOSEPH PUSHED FOR THE POINT OF ORDER THE CHAIR SAID HER POINT WAS NOT WELL TAKEN WITHOUT STATING A REASON. I WANT PEOPLE THAT MAY BE LISTENING TO CANNOT STAY FOR THE MEETING OR CAN'T COME TO THESE MEETINGS, I WANT THEM TO KNOW THIS. I HAVE TRIED TO TELL A FEW PEOPLE BUT I WANT THE WORLD TO KNOW TODAY. IT IS CHRISTMAS. IF OTHER RESIDENTS CANNOT FINISH IN THREE MINUTES, LET ME KNOW AND LET ME HELP BECAUSE I DO KNOW HOW TO READ PRETTY GOOD. THIS CENSURE , THIS IS MY WORD THIS CENSURE SHOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED. CAN I SAY THAT AGAIN? 118, 117.

THIS CENSURE SHOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED. I'M NOT A LAWYER BUT I'M WAITING TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON ABOUT THE SITUATION.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WAITING TO EITHER YES OR NO, NOW THAT WE HAVE , GOODNESS , $400. DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF PRESENT YOU COULD GET FOR $400? THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PLACE,

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THE $1.25 STORE, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS, $400. BOY, JUST IMAGINE THAT. BUT IT IS NOT ABOUT GIFTS, IT'S ABOUT A SAVIOR AND I HOPE PEOPLE WHO DON'T CELEBRATE WILL THINK ABOUT IT AND ALSO HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO EVERYBODY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING THEN WE WILL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. SPEC OKAY ON TO COMMISSIONER REPORTS.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> I JUST WANT TO TELL EVERYBODY I HAD NO IDEA YOU ALL WOULD SHOW UP TODAY OR SAY ANYTHING, SO I'M GRATEFUL AND I AM MAJORLY SURPRISED AND THINK OF A MUCH. YOU HAVE ANOTHER FREEDOM IN THIS WORLD, THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND I HELPED LIGHT THE MENORAH IN PONTEVEDRA AND HANUKKAH IS NOW OVER AND I HOPE THEY HAD A NICE HAPPY HANUKKAH AND I WILL GO CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS WITH MY HUSBAND AND THE BIRTH OF CHRIST AND LET ME TELL YOU THAT IS HOPE AND FAITH AND I HAVE HOPE AND FAITH FOR NEXT YEAR AND NOTHING WILL GET ME DOWN SO THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY AND CHRISTMAS AND HANUKKAH AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO SPOKE AT MADE THEIR COMMENTS. I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO CONGRATULATE SAINT AUGUSTINE HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL TEAM WHO HAD A GREAT SEASON, THEY DIDN'T WIN THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP, THEY FELL JUST SHORT IN THE TITLE GAME BY A COUPLE POINTS BUT THEY HAD A GREAT YEAR AND I'M PROUD OF THOSE GUYS. I KNOW THIS IS NOT MY DISTRICT BUT I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON BEING ELECTED TO MAYOR OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH. I DO WANT TO LET STAFF KNOW THAT THE ISSUE THAT CAME UP WITH THE LIBRARIES THE AMERICAN LIBRARY ASSOCIATION , I PLAN TO SIT DOWN WITH STAFF AND GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT ARE WE PLAYING FOR THERE AND GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE THEM SO I WILL SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT THAT. AND THEN FINALLY I WOULD SAY THAT IN THREE DAYS FROM NOW IT WILL BE MY ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY ON THE COUNTY COMMISSION, IT IT HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING TIME WITH SOME CONTROVERSIAL THINGS COMING FORWARD BUT WE REALLY ALL PULLED TOGETHER AND AGAIN I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE STAFF WHO I BELIEVE HAS WORKED REALLY REALLY REALLY HARD. ESPECIALLY I CAN SPEAK JOANNE, SHELBY AND SHAYNA, THEY DO AN AMAZING JOB AND DO ALL THEY CAN FOR US.

THE STAFF HAS BEEN AMAZING AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET A CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD. I KNOW CHRISTMAS IS ON A MONDAY BUT I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND A PAID HOLIDAY TO DECEMBER 26TH FOR OUR COUNTY STAFF WHO I THINK GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET A CONSENSUS THERE.

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>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, MISS ANDREWS ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, I KNOW THE STAFF WORKS FOR YOU ULTIMATELY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CONSIDER YOUR

THOUGHTS. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER AND APPRECIATE THE GESTURE OF OFFERING STAFF THE ADDITIONAL DAY. I THINK WE WILL MANAGE, I KNOW A LOT OF STUFF IS LOOKING FORWARD TO THE HOLIDAY BREAK AND YOU ARE TAKING THE DAY OFF SO WE WILL MANAGE FOR SURE, THANK YOU.

>> I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA. >> I THINK IT HAS BEEN QUITE A YEAR, THEY DESERVE IT AND EVEN IT HAS FALLEN ON THE MONDAY BEFORE AND AS PRECEDENT WHEN IT HAS IT HAS GONE AND THEY GOT TUESDAY OFF SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT BACK. OKAY.

>> I MIGHT HAVE A CONFLICT. I WAS PLANNING ON PLAYING GOLF ON TUESDAY. AT THE COUNTY COURSE AND SO THEY WON'T SHUT THE

GOLF COURSE DOWN WILL IT? >> NO SIR. JUST PAY HOLIDAY

PAY. >> I WILL PLAY AT MARSH CREEK.

OKAY. >> OKAY. DO WE NEED A MOTION

FOR THAT? >> CONSENSUS IS SUFFICIENT AS

LONG AS IT'S ON THE RECORD. >> THANK YOU. THE FINAL POINT I WANT TO BRING UP. I HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH CONSTITUENTS ABOUT 207 , THE ROAD, I HAVE MET WITH STAFF AND THE PUBLIC IS THERE THAT IS AN INTERESTING DANGEROUS INTERSECTION SO I WANT TO SEE IF STAFF HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT OR DO YOU HAVE SOLUTIONS TO THAT ISSUE?

>> YES, THROUGH THE CHAIR THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. YOU HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP AT LEAST HALF A YEAR AGO AND YOU HEARD FROM CONSTITUENTS ON SAFETY CONCERNS ON THE INTERSECTION AT 207. I KNOW PAULA HAS BEEN WORKING WITH AND THE D.O.T. I THINK CONSIDERATIONS THEY HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH IS THE PRIOR DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. I WILL LET COLIN SPEAK TO WHEN THEY WOULD BE READY TO COME BACK. WITH A RECOMMENDATION.

>> THAT WE GO. IF IT IS THE BOARD'S WISH WE CAN BRING SOMETHING BACK IN JANUARY MEETING LOOKING AT THE INTERSECTION. WE BELIEVE WE NEED TO MOVE THAT FORWARD BASED ON INFORMATION WE HAVE. IF IT IS YOUR DESIRE WE WILL BRING SOMETHING TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION.

>> YES. >> CONSENSUS? OKAY.

>> WANT TO WISH EVERYONE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. WE WILL SEE YOU AT THE START OF THE NEW YEAR. THAT'S

ALL I HAVE TO REPORT. >> MERRY CHRISTMAS, GREAT TEMPER FAITH AND FAMILY AND TIME TO BE TOGETHER.

CELEBRATION BEGINS, EVERYBODY ENJOY YOUR HOLIDAY AND HAPPY NEW YEAR, WE WILL SEE YOU ON JANUARY 16TH.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> JUST REFLECTING ABOUT TODAY'S MEETING AND I'M GLAD TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE THROUGH THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT COUNTYWIDE SOLID WASTE COLLECTION. GOOD COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND A GOOD DISCUSSION AT THE BOARD. WE ALSO HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RECLAMATION PLANT WATER RECLAMATION PLANT WHICH IS GOING TO BASICALLY ELIMINATE ANY FUTURE POLLUTION IN THE RIVER FOREVER. AND OF COURSE WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION ON

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THE ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM SO I SORT OF, I ENJOYED THE DISCUSSIONS AND THEY WERE ALL GOOD. WE ARE MOVING THE NEEDLE FORWARD FOR RESIDENTS IN THIS COUNTY AND THANK YOU TO EACH OF YOU AND WONDERFU

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Dec 19, 2023 Board of County Commissioners

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