Dec 12, 2023 Land Acquisition and Management Program

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>> PLEASE STAND BY FOR THE LANSDOWNE WORDS MEETING.

>> ALL RIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

A LOT TO GET TO THIS AFTERNOON. WELCOME TO THE DECEMBER 12 MEETING OF THE LAMP BOARD. I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A NICE THANKSGIVING. I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO THE HOLIDAY BREAK COMING UP SOON AND JUST A NOTE FOR BOARD MEMBERS, THE SCREEN THAT TYPICALLY SHOWS ME TO SPEAK IS NOT WORKING.

SO WE ARE JUST GOING TO USE RAISE HAND AND I WILL TRY TO LOOK AROUND TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK.

SO WE ARE GOING TO GET STARTED WITH THE ROLL CALL.

AND WE DO HAVE A NEW FACE ON THE BOARD TODAY.

I WILL GIVE HER A CHANCE TO INTRODUCE HERSELF IN A SECOND.

BUT WE WILL GO DOWN THE LIST AS WE SAY YOUR NAME.

POLICE STAY HERE. MICHAEL ADAMS. IRENE KAUFMAN. WAYNE FLOWERS.

ELIZABETH GUTHRIE IS HERE, MILLER HERE.

MISS LAHIRI IS HERE AND JACOB SMITH.

WE HAVE A NEW VACANCY. MR. JIMMY WATSON HAS RESIGNED HIS POSITION WITH THE LAMP BOARD DUE TO PERSONAL REASONS AND THAT POSITION FOR DISTRICT 3 IS CURRENTLY OPEN AND ADVERTISED.

IF ANYONE ON THE BOARD OR IN THE AUDIENCE, IF YOU KNOW SOMEBODY IN DISTRICT 3 WITH SKILLS THAT SUIT THE LAMP BOARD, PLEASE ENCOURAGE THEM IN TO APPLY. AND SO, MISS LAHIRI, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

[General public comment for items not on the agenda - 3 minutes per speaker]

>> HOUR. MY NAME IS ANILA.

I AM GRATEFUL TO BE HERE. I THINK THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT BOARD AND ANYBODY THAT KNOWS ME KNOW THAT I AM PARTICULARLY PASSIONATE OF THE HISTORY OF FLORIDA AND THE HISTORY OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. I AM GRATEFUL TO BE HERE AND

WORK WITH ALL OF YOU. >> WONDERFUL.

WE ARE THANKFUL TO HAVE YOU. BEFORE WE MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT, I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO READ OUR CIVILITY CLAUSE.

-- BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CHAIR OR IN THE CHAIR'S ABSENCE THE VICE-CHAIR TO PRESERVE DECORUM AND ORDER IN TODAY'S MEETING. YOU SHOULD NOT DISRUPT THE PEACE OF THE BOARD OR DISTURB ANY MEMBER OR REFUSE TO OBEY THE ORDER OF ITS BOARD AND CHAIR. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL AND AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. NOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE WILL ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT DURING TWO SPECIFICS PERIODS.

AND IT MAY NOTER. >> RUPT THE BOARD PROCEEDING.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK. PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL BE HEARD ON PROPOSITIONS BEFORE THE BOARD AS THOSE ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED ON THE AGENDA. AND PUBLIC COMMENTS ON MATTERS NOT BEING CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD WILL BE DURING A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD AT THE FRONT TABLE. SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. EACH PERSON ADDRESSING THE BOARD SHOULD LIMIT COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.

PERSON SHOULD NOT ADDRESS THE BOARD OR ANY MEMBER THEREOF BUT RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIRPERSON TO DO SO.

ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGE

AGENDA. >> ED SLAVEN.

GOOD AFTERNOON. HOW ARE YOU Y'ALL DOING.

ED SLAVEN, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS 3084.

I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME MISS LAHIRI TO THE BOARD AND WELCOME ALL OF YOU TO CONSIDER NEXT YEAR THE ST. AUGUSTINE NATIONAL PARK AND SEASHORE LEGISLATION WHICH WAS FIRST PROPOSED IN 1939 BY THE MAYOR OF ST. AUGUSTINE AT THE TIME AND INTRODUCED IN CONGRESS BY OUR SENATORS FROM FLORIDA, BOTH OF THEM.

AND OUR CONGRESSMAN AT THE TIME. AND THEN A COUPLE -- COUPLE OF MONTHS LATER, THE ST. JOHNS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WHICH ENDORSED IT, UNENDORSED IT.

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YOU LOOK AT WHAT THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE IF ANASTASIA ISLAND WILL BE MORE PARKS AND LESS SUBDIVISIONS, IT WOULD BE MARVELOUS. A BEAUTIFUL, EXQUISITE PLACE AND THIS BOARD CAN BE A KEY TO MAKING IT BETTER.

AND I WAS FRANKLY DISAPPOINTED WHEN THE CURRENT CHAIR TOLD ME -- I WONDER WHY SHE DID THIS, TOLD ME THIS WAS NOT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD. WHEN OUR COMMISSIONER HENRY DEAN AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS.

AND HE AND MR. FLOWERS WHEN HE WAS AT THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ACQUIRED -- I THINK IT WAS 700,000 ACRES OF CONSERVATION LAND IN 11 TO 14 COUNTIES.

MR. MILLER WAS A PART OF THAT. I SALUTE YOU SIR AND EVERYBODY IN ON THAT. FOR SOME REASON, AND THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHO TOLD ME WHO TOLD MISS GUTHRIE TO HAVE A GAG ORDER.

WHO TOLD MISS DPUTRY THAT THIS BOARD COULDN'T TALK ABOUT IT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOARD RULES FROM THE BCC.

PRETTY CLEAR ONE OF THESE COMMITTEES END BCC DOES WHAT COMMISSIONERS ASK THEM TO DO. COMMISSIONER DEAN CAME TO YOUR MEETING AND HE ASKED Y'ALL TO CONSIDER IT.

AND I WAS STABBED IN THE BACK AND TREATED VERY DISTAINFULLY AND THAT IS NOT CIVILITY. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT CIVILITY.

AND I AM WAITING FOR AN APOLOGY FROM MISS GUTHRIE.

IN TERMS OF ORGANIZATIONAL CON FLEKTS OF INTEREST, WE NEED TO BE MORE RIGOROUS OF THAT INCLUDING EMPLOYMENT OF MEMBERS OF THE LAMP BOARD, DUCKS UNLIMITED MAY HAVE A POSITION THAT IS TAN TRARRY TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THE LAMP BOARD. AND SPECIFICALLY THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE THIS IMPRESSION THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE HUNTING AND FISHING IN A NATIONAL PARK AND SEASHORE.

IT'S UNTRUE. IF YOU LOOK IT UP AND DO SOME RESEARCH, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT WORKING WITH THE FEDS TO CONSERVE WHAT IS WORTH CONSERVING AND WHAT STILL CAN BE PRESERVED IN THIS BEAUTIFUL ST.

JOHNS COUNTY AND NEVER DISCOURAGE PUBLIC DEBATE OF CONSERVATION. THAT IS WRONG.

MA'AM. I FORGIVE YOU.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS. >> ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE

AGENDA? >> NICOLE CROSBY.

>> HI, NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 NECK ROAD.

I WELCOME THE NEW BOARD MEMBER. MISS LAHIRI, I WISH YOU A LOT OF LUCK IN YOUR NEW POSITION. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE BOARD MEMBERS VERY MUCH FOR NOMINATING ME FOR THAT POSITION.

I CAN'T SAY I WAS SURPRISED THAT I DIDN'T GET IT.

I HAD A TARGET ON MY BACK EVER SINCE I FOUGHT TO SAVE 100 ACRES OF CONSERVATION LAND AND WAS DISMAYED TO DISCOVER THE TARGET HAS ONLY GROWN AND GROWN. WHEN I JOINED THE SOIL AND WATER BOARD. AND HE WAS ELECTED TO THAT AND GOT A LOT WORSE FOR ME AND YET IT HAS GROWN FURTHER THIS YEAR.

AGAIN, NOT A SHOCK I WASN'T PUT ON THE BOARD, BUT I WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT I TO DO TRY TO HELP CONSERVE OUR NATURAL RESOURCES AND DO WHAT I CAN FROM THE SIDELINES.

AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

ESPECIALLY I THANK YOU ALL FOR KEEPING YOUR STANDARDS HIGH WHEN YOU RAID THESE LANDS. I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE THE LAST MEETING SOME TWO REALLY HIGH-QUALITY PROPERTIES.

THAT WAS VERY PROMISING. SOMETIMES IT JUST TAKES TIME.

I DON'T SEE THE MINUTES GOING -- I AM -- OH, THAT IS OKAY.

HOW LONG DID ATALK FOR? OH, JUST FIVE SECONDS, RIGHT -- NO. OKAY.

I WON'T GO THE WHOLE THREE. ANY RATE, JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. THANK YOU.

I WAS JUST SAYING THAT I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE KEPT HIGH STANDARDS WHEN YOU SCORE THE PROPERTIES.

AND YOU HAVEN'T FELT PRESSURE TO SCORE HIGHER JUST BECAUSE, PERHAPS, THE PROPERTY ISN'T OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY.

AND I DON'T THINK IT IS ANY SECRET THAT I AM EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT ONE PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR THAT I AM CONTINUING TO FIGHT TO ACTUALLY HAVE REMOVED BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT $700,000 GO TOWARD HIGHER QUALITY PROPERTIES.

SO I AM CONTINUING RESEARCHING THAT.

AND VISITING ON THAT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED.

[Approval of meeting minutes from the October 10th meeting ]

TAKE CARE. >> THANK YOU, MISS CROSBY.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? OKAY. PART-TIME ALREADY WE WILL

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ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED?

MR. MILLER, YOU DO? >> SO MINOR.

I WAS NOTED AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS BEING A MEMBER OF THE BOARD AT THE VERY TOP OF THE MINUTES.

SO, YOU KNOW, SURE, VERY MINOR CORRECTION.

THANK YOU. >> THAT ONE IS EASY ENOUGH.

WE CAN FIX THAT. DO YOU REMEMBER ANY OF THEM FROM MEMORY? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO BARRING NO ADDITIONAL CHANGES NEEDED, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED WITH THAT MINOR CHANGE FROM MISS KAUFMAN?

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION. >> THANK YOU, MR. ADAMS.

[Approval of current agenda ]

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> SECOND FROM MISS KAUFMAN. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE AMENDMENTS AS AMENDED PLEASE STATE AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NAY.

MOTION CARRIES. AND THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE CURRENT AGENDA, WHICH IS A PRETTY HEFTY ONLY. AS WE WILL PROBABLY HAPPEN IN DECEMBER AS WE HAVE PROPERTIES TO RANK.

AND THEN THE ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATION LIST, BUT WE DO HAVE A FEW UPDATES FROM STAFF ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1.

AND JUST SOME -- ANOTHER KIND OF FYI AND ANY DISCUSSIONS THAT BOARD MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OF PROSPECTIVE PROPERTIES.

ITEMS AND 4 WILL THE FIRST DISCUSSIONS ON TWO NEW PROPERTIES THAT JUST CAME IN. AND ITEMS 5-7 WILL BE OUR EVALUATION AND RANKING FOR THREE PROPERTIES.

FOLLOWED BY THE RECOMMENDATION LIST UPDATE.

SO WITH THAT, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON ITS AGE AGENDA?

[1. Staff update on forms]

>> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.

>> THANK YOU, MR. FLOWERS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> I WILL SECOND. >> MR. MILLER, THANKS.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA? OKAY.

I KNOW IT IS A LONG ONE, BUT I HAVE FAITH IN US.

I THINK WE CAN DO IT. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN. PLEASE SAY AYE.

ALL OWE SUPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NAY.

ALL RIGHT, THE AGENDA IS APPROVED AND WE WILL START IT OFF WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, STAFF UPDATE.

RYAN, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, BOARD MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC.

NUMBER ONE IS 5 QUICK YOUR DATE ON STAFF FORMS WE FELT THE NEED TO ADD SOME DETAIL ABOUT. IT IS MOSTLY IN RESPONSE TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND PUBLIC INPUT.

SO WE HAVE -- STAFF HAS UPDATED SOME OF THESE STORMS TO PROVIDE MORE CLARITY AND DETAIL. I DID PROVIDE PREVIOUS AND UPDATED VERSION OF THE FORMS ON THE ATP LINK IN THE E-MAIL THAT I SENT OUT. THOSE MINOR UPDATES INCLUDE -- I WILL LIST THEM REAL QUICK BASED ON THE FORM.

WE HAVE THE LAMP EVALUATION PROCESS.

IT WAS AMENDED TO ADD CLARITY AND DETAILS TO THE APPLICATION REVIEW PROCESS, MOSTLY FOR STAFF, BUT INCLUDED A SECTION FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS TO FILL OUT THE CONCEPTUAL MANAGEMENT PLAN TEMPLATE. YOU RECALL BEFORE PREVIOUS MEETINGS STAFF FILLED OUT SOME OF THE CONCEPTUAL MANAGEMENT PLAN DATA, BUT THIS TIME WE WILL ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS TO FILL THAT OUT AS YOU ARE REVIEWING THE PROPERTY.

NUMBER TWO IS THE PROPERTY APPLICATION FORM.

WE INCREASED SOME SPACE AT THE BOTTOM TO PROVIDE MORE PROPERTY INFORMATION FOR APPLICANTS AS WELL AS REMOVE SECTION, TOWNSHIP AND RANGE AND WE TONIGHT USE IT IN TODAY'S WORLD.

SURVEY CREW USED THAT INFORMATION.

BUT FOR PURPOSES OF APPLICATION, THAT WAS REMOVED.

AND NUMBER THREE, IS THE RECOMMENDED PROPERTY RANKING LIST. WE ADDEDED A 50% THRESHOLD FOR PROPERTIES ADDED TO THE LIST. THOSE SCORED BELOW 50% WILL NOT BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

BUT REMAIN ON THE LIST IF THE BOARD ADDS IT.

SO BASICALLY IF WE HAVE A LOWER SCORING PROPERTY, THAT WON'T BE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR RECOMMEND

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NUMBER 2024 IS THE CONCEPTUAL MANAGEMENT PLAN AND TEMPLATE.

I MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY HAVE BEEN STREAMLINED.

REMOVED SOME REDUNDANT INFORMATION PROVIDED ALREADY WITH THE PROPERTY DATA SHEETS. SO LAMP BOARD MEMBERS NOW WILL BE THE ONES FILLING THAT OUT FOR THE TIME BEING.

NUMBER FIVE, WE WILL HAVE A COVER SHEET WITH THE RECOMMENDATION STATEMENT. AND THE MAIN PROPERTY ATTRIBUTES FOR WHY LAMP SELECTED A PIECE OF PROPERTY WHEN IT GOES TO IT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. AND THE SCORE FOR THAT PROPERTY PRESENTEDED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

THOSE ARE THE UPDATES FOR ITEM ONE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I CAN PULL EACH OF THOSE FORMS. NEEDED.

>> MR. FLOWERS. >> YOU SAY A PROPERTY HAS TO SCORE 50%. IS THAT 50 POINTS?

I AM NOT SURE -- >> YEAH, BECAUSE IT IS AS 100-POINT SET-UP. IT WOULD BE 50 POINTS.

>> ALL RIGHT, 50 POINTS. >> OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?

MISS KAUFMAN. >> YES, I DID HAVE A QUESTION OF THE CONCEPTUAL MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THE LAMP BOARD'S PARTICIPATION IN THAT PROCESS AS TO WHEN THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE.

IS THAT AFTER THE COUNTY COMMISSION APPROVES ONE OF OUR

RECOMMENDATIONS OR BEFORE THEN? >> SURE.

BASICALLY, THE PROPERTIES -- WHEN THEY BECOME ACQUIRED BY THE COUNTY, THE CONCEPTUAL MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE THE ACQUISITION. AND THERE CAN BE SOME TIME THERE. MANY MONTHS CAN GO BY AND THE DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS AND THE INSPECTION PERIOD BEFORE WE GET TO THE ACQUISITION PROCESS AND ACQUIRE OFFICIALLY THE PROPERTY.

AND SO ANY TIME IN THAT PERIOD IS WHEN YOU WOULD SUBMIT THE CONCEPTUAL MANAGEMENT PLAN AS WELL.

YOU COULD -- YOU COULD START FILLING IT OUT IN THE EVALUATION

PROCESS, YOU KNOW, EARLY ON. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE CHANGES FROM STAFF?

>> ALONG THOSE LINES. CLARIFICATION.

COULD WHEN A PROPERTY COMES FORWARD, IT IS UP TO ONE OF US TO PROVIDE THAT OR DO THE -- SORT OF LEGWORK ON THE MANAGEMENT PLAN. I KNOW SOME PROPERTIES ARE BROUGHT FORTH SORT OF BY WAY OF SOME OF US.

BUT SOME ARE NOT. AND SO THERE IS THE IDEA THAT THERE WILL BE A SPONSOR. SOMEBODY WHO IS SORT OF ATTACHED TO OR TAGGED WITH DOING THAT LEGWORK? I DIDN'T KNOW OUR PLAN FOR HOW TO EXECUTE OUR --

>> YEAH. I THINK THAT IS A GOOD SUGGESTION. MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ONCE A PROPERTY HAS BEEN RANKED AND ADDED TO THE LIST WE CAN ASK FOR A VOLUNTEER.

I KNOW WE CAN DEFINITELY TAP INTO THE SKILL SET FOR US ON THE BOARD WITH SEVERAL OF US HAVING THE EXPERIENCE ON THAT AND TRY TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT AND PROVIDE SOMETHING FOR THE REST OF THE BOARD TO RESPOND TO. BECAUSE THAT CAN BE A CHALLENGE WITH EVERYBODY FILLING OUT INDIVIDUALLY AND TRYING TO COME TOGETHER. OPEN TO OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT THOUGH. RYAN, DO YOU NEED A VOTE OR APPROVAL OR ANYTHING FROM US? OR JUST FYI?

>> JUST A STAFF UPDATE. SO NO VOTE ON THIS.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR ITEM NUMBER 1. SO I THINK WE ARE GOOD TO MOVE TO -- SURE, MISS CROSBY, PLEASE COME UP.

WE WILL REMEMBER TO SET YOUR TIME THEY ARE TIME.

>> NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 NECK ROAD.

I AM HAPPY TO HERE ONE OF THE PROJECTS IN PARTICULAR.

[BEEPING] WHAT AM I DOING NOW? MY AURA TODAY. THE 50% MINIMUM, THAT IS IS REALLY SMART. I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT.

AND NOW IT MAKES ME WINDER WHY YOU ALL WILL REVISE SIT -- AT LEAST ONE OF THE PROPERTIES IS BELOW 50%.

I TONIGHT RECALL WHAT THE OTHER SCORES WILL BE IN THE TOP FIVE RANKINGS AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DISCUSS THAT.

BECAUSE IF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE NOW CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING PROPERTIES THAT FELL BELOW A RANKING THAT

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SO I AM JUST ASKING TO YOU PLEASE DO THAT.

ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE REALLY TERRIFIC TWO NEW PROPERTIES TO I SAW LAST TIME AND PERHAPS MORE TO COME TODAY.

THANK YOU. >> ED SLAVEN, BECOMES 3084, EDSLIE EDSLAVEN.COM.

ONE OF THE PROPERTY YOU BOUGHT NEED TO BE OFF THE LIST.

THE $700,000 PROPERTY CONNECTED TO THE FORMER MAJOR OF ST.

AUGUSTINE. WE NEED TO HAVE GREATER DISCLOSURE OF -- WELL, WHO ARE YOUR KINFOLK.

IF YOU WANT US TO BUY YOUR PROPERTY WITH ST. JOHNS TAXPAYER FUNDS, WE NEED A FULL EX-FLORIDA NATION OF THE APPLICANT AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO PEOPLE AND THE POW STRUCTURE.

NEVER AGAIN SHALL THIS BOARD BE ASKED TO DO WHAT THEY DID AND EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND I WAS SHOCKED AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING THE RELAT RELATIONSHIP. LET'S NOT DO THAT.

WE NEED MORE RIGOROUS PATROLLING BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTER MR. FOR -- WHO IS NOT HERE -- AND BY THE COUNTY INSPECTOR GENERAL. SOMEBODY WANTS OUR MONEY.

THEY NEED FULL DISCLOSURE. AND IT WAS A MATERIAL FACT THAT THE -- THAT THE PROPERTY THAT Y'ALL WERE ASKED TO BUY WAS CONNECTED WITH THE FORMER MAYOR OF THE CITY OF OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

THE REVEREND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. SAID IN 1964 THAT ST.

JOHNS COUNTY WAS THE MOST LAWLESS PLACE IN AMERICA.

WE HOPE IT ISN'T ANY, WITH. WE SEE THINGS LIKE THAT, IT SURE LOOKS THAT WAY. CAN WE ADD SOMETHING OF DIRECTORS CLOSURE AND A BACKGROUND CHECK.

I KNOW WE HIRED A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WITHOUT A BACKGROUND CHECK AT AURAL IN 2019.

AN UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR IN A FEDERAL BRIBERY CASE.

WE CAN DO BETTER. NEED MORE DISCLOSURE AND NOT LESS. DID YOU KNOW THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE LOBBYING DISCLOSURE.

ALMOST DID TO IN 2016. THE LOBBYISTS SAY WE DON'T WANT TO TELL AND LET PEOPLE ARE KNOW WHO WE ARE.

THERE MAY BE LOBBYISTS IN THIS ROOM FOR APPLICANT WHO WANT THEIR PROPERTY PURCHASED. THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

JIMMY JOHNS, WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSION AT THE TIME, WANTED TO HAVE PROCEDURES. JAY MOORE SAID THAT WILL BE BURDEN SOME. $25 A YEAR FOR A REG

[2. New properties for consideration by LAMP members]

CORRUPTION IS BURDEN SOME. WE ARE SPENDING MONEY ON WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE AND POTENTIAL CRIMES, THAT IS BURDENSOME.

LET'S WORK ON DISCLOSURE AND HAVE MORE AND NOT LESS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. SLAVEN. SEEING NO FURTHER COMMENTERS, I THINK WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO NEW PROPERTY UPDATES BY LAMP BOARD MEMBERS. RYAN, YOU PRESENTED US WITH

SOME FCI INFO WITH THIS ONE? >> YES, FOR NUMBER ONE TWO THIS BASICALLY A REMINDER FOR ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS TO SEARCH FOR AVAILABLE PROPERTIES AND REACH OUT TO WILLING SELLERS TO APPLY.

YOU KNOW INCUMBENT OF ALL BOARD MEMBERS TO SEARCH AVAILABLE PROPERTIES LIKE I PROVIDED BEFORE, HOMES.COM IS A GOOD SOURCE THAT WAS PROCEEDED TO US BY REAL ESTATE AS A GOOD COURSE.

AS WELL AS ANY OTHER SITES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT PROVIDE WILLING SELLERS. AND TO REACH OUT TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. THERE MAY BE AGENTS ON THE BOARD OR ONES THAT HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE REAL ESTATE MARKET, SO WE CAN TAP THEIR KNOWLEDGE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS INCUMBENT ON BOARD MEMBERS AND ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND ALSO TO KEEP IN MIND THE CURRENT LAMP 'AVAILABLE BUDGET.

WE HAVE RECEIVED LARGE PROPERTIES WITH PRETTY HIGH COSTS ATTACHED TO THEM. RIGHT NOW THE LAMP BALANCE IS 3.5 MILLION. SO, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A REMINDER. UPDATED.

THERE ARE SOME FLORIDA FOREVER PRIORITY LISTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE. WE HAVE OUR THREE GENERAL CORRIDOR AREAS IN THE COUNTY THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. THE TWO BLUE WAYS AND THE MATANZ OFZAS. OR OSCEOLA.

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WE CAN USE EXISTING CONSERVATION AND PARKLAND MAPS AND THOSE CONNECTIONS TO HELP GUIDE US TO FOCUS ON THOSE AREAS THAT DO HAVE AVAILABLE WILLING SELLERS. THAT IS BASICALLY AN UPDATE ON

THAT ONE. >> ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THAT ITEM IN YES, MISS KAUFMAN.

>> JUST A QUICK COMMENT FOR THEN TO MAY BE AWARE THAT WE CANNOT CONSIDER PROPERTIES BEEN THE CITY OF INTAUG.

I ONCE BROUGHT THE IDEA OF A PROPERTY TO RYAN.

AND CONFIRMED AS I EXPECTED THAT WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO BRING THOSE PROPERTIES FORWARD. THAT WAS ALL.

>> THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> WHAT ABOUT THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH.

THE ISSUE. >> NO MOO THIS PALS.

>> CORRECT, THEY WILL BE OFF THE LAMP PROGRAM.

>> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP. I TONIGHT KNOW IF WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST MONTH. WE HAD A CASE THAT HAPPENED RECENTLY. I KNOW I HAVE BEEN CHECKING EVERY ONCE IN A CHILD WHILE. I AM CERTAINLY BUY YAGSED TO MUCH LARGER ACREAGE PROPERTIES AND NOT A LOT OF THEM THAT ARE

[3. Hawkins Island- First Discussion]

THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE, RYAN. I THINK WE WILL MOVE ON IT TO NUMBER 3, HAWKINS ISLAND. THIS WILL BE OUR FIRST DISCUSSION ON THIS PARCEL RYAN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE

THIS ONE TO US. >> SURE.

SO THIS ONE IS OUR FIRST TREMENDOUS VIEW.

WE SUBMITTED -- AN APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, 13.6-ACRE ISLAND ON THE EASTERN BANKS OF THE MATANZAS RIVER WEST TWRF THE MARSH CREEK SUBDIVISION ON THE ISLAND.

A VACANT FORESSLAND PARCEL KNOWN AS HAWKINS ISLAND.

IT IS SURROUNDED BY SALT MARSH. LOCATED ON THE EASTERN BANK OF THE INTERCOASTAL WATER WAY NEAR THE MATANZA.

AND WEST OF THE MARSH CREEK SUBDIVISION AND BASICALLY DUE EAST OF THE ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH SUBDIVISION TO ORIENT YOU HERE.

THERE ARE OTHER SMALLER PRIVATELY OWNED ISLANDS JUST TO THE EAST OF THIS ISLAND AS A POINT OF NORTHWEST HERE.

CURRENTLY NO ACCESS TO THE PARCEL.

DUE TO THE SURROUNDING SALT MARSH.

ALL STATE-OWNED SUBMERGED LANDS. THE ONLY ACCESS IS BY WATER CRAFT FROM THE INTERCOASTAL WATER WAY HERE.

I HAVE DID REFERENCE A FLORIDA ADMINISTRATIVE CODE BASED ON A PREVIOUS REVIEW BY STAFF. A REACTION SUBMITTED A YEAR OR TWO AGO FOR THIS PARTICULAR ACTION.

THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE PROHIBITS ROAD AND CONSTRUCTION AND LANDS FOR UNBRIDGED COASTAL ISLANDS AND I BELIEVE -- THE ADMINISTRATION CODE GOES ON TO SAY UNLESS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN PROVISIONS PROVIDED. SO OBVIOUSLY PUBLIC DRINKING WATER SEWER WATER AND UTILITIES WILL BE AN ISSUE FOR PUBLIC USE OF THE PROPERTY TO STATE THAT ON THE RECORD AS FAR AS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, REQUIREMENT FOR PRESERVATION FOR AT LEAST 10% OF THE MARITIME COMMUNITY. AND A 50-FOOT UPLAND BUFFER ALONG THE WETLAND LINE IF YOU WERE TO DEVELOP OF THE PROPERTY FOR SOME PUBLIC USE. AS FAR AS THE DEFENDANT COMMENTS IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND OTHER CANDIDATES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. PARKS AND RECREATION PROVIDED A COMMENT AND THEY SUBMITTED THEY WOULD NOT ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY BECAUSE NO ACCESS AND FOR STRAIGHT PRESERVATION.

THAT IS QUOTE, UNQUOTE THERE. SO BASICALLY FOR THIS ONE SEEKING A MOTION TO CONTINUE WITH THE LAMP REVIEW PROCESS OR NOT. AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY

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SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. >> MR. FLOWERS.

>> RYAN, AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS AND THE INFORMATION HERE THAT THE -- ANYTHING OTHER THAN IS THIS ISLAND AND I THINK YOU SAID TWO FOR THREE MAYBE PRIVATELY OWNED. ALL OF THEM ARE SOLEMN, SUBMERGE

PLANS. >> EXACTLY ON THAT PROPERTY.

>> ONE OTHER INDICATION THERE IS A PREAPPLICATION PENDING OR FIELD SOMEWHERE? THERE WAS ONE FILED PREVIOUS LEAVE AND NOT TIED TO THE PROPERTY ANYWAY.

MORE INFORMATION GATHERING FOR THE APPLICANT AT THE TIME AND THE COUNTY REVIEW IT AT AT THIS T TIME. THANK YOU.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS, A COMMENTS ABOUT THIS

>> RYAN, I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THE SUN BIZ IS CORRECT.

THAT THE PRINCIPAL IS BASED OUT OF HONG KONG.

THEIR ADDRESSES? >> THAT IS THE INFORMATION I WAS ABLE TO GET FROM THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE AND WE CAN ASK TO CONFIRM THAT.

>> YES. MAYBE THEY CAN CONFIRM THAT.

>> WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS FOR THIS ITEM?

>> YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE? I WILL SAY ONE THING AND THEN YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD. IT IS -- I ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE ACQUISITION OF THIS PROPERTY ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WORRY ABOUT IF IT DOES GET ACQUIRED WHO WILL MANAGE IT AND WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT NOTHING WRONG WITH ACQUIRING AN ISLAND ALONG THE MATANZAS RIVER THAT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS EXCEPT BY WATERCRAFT.

NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING. KEEPING IT THE WAY IT IS NOW IS ALSO NOT A BAD THING, OF COURSE. IT IS WITHIN THE FLORIDA FOREVER OF THE BLUE WAYS BOUNDARY. SO THERE IS MATCHING POTENTIAL AS WELL. SO THE COUNTY -- IF IT WAS TO BE ACQUIRED -- AND BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN ON A NUMBER OF THOSE ISLANDS UP AND DOWN THERE AND IT IS -- IT IS NOT A FULL-BLOWN MARITIME HAMMOCK BECAUSE OF ELEVATION AS MUCH AS ANYTHING, BUT IT IS STILL -- IT HAS SOME BEAUTIFUL HABITAT ON IT.

TO WHOEVER IS REPRESENTING THE FAMILY OR THE OWNERS.

SORRY, I TRESPASSED. I PADDLED OVER THERE AND WALKED UP ON-SITE. BUT IT IS NOT POSTED NO TRESPASSING AND KEELEY IS PUTTING HER DEAD DOWN, BUT I WAS ON THAT PROPERTY SO I FULLY DIRECTORS CLOSE THAT.

SO SPEAKERS. MR. HAMILTON, PLEASE.

CITIZENS ARE FINE. >> MY NAME IS PAT HAMILTON AND I WORK FOR SOUTHERN RESIDENT CRESCENT BREACH.

A COUPLE OF BROKERS INVOLVED IN THE DEAL.

DEREK SCHROEDER IS HERE WHO REPRESENT THE FAMILIES.

IN EARLY 2000S THE BLUEWAYS WERE COMING, THERE WERE SEVERAL OF US THAT WERE VERY ACTIVE TRYING TO PUT CONSERVATION LANDS.

I -- WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF THESE ISLANDS BECAUSE OF THE BIOLOGICAL IMPORTANCE OF THOSE SCENES OF UPLANDS IN THE MARSHES. I ACTUALLY BROKERED FOUR DIFFERENT ISLANDS AT THAT THE. COUPLE CANNED WITH FLORIDA COMMUNITY TRUST MONEY. COUPLED WITH FLORIDA FOREVER IN THIS AREA. THE ONE DOWN THERE OFF MARINE LAND, PEOPLE CAMP AND -- ONMELON ISLAND NOW THAT WAS BOUGHT.

IT IS NOT A BIG AREA AND YOU CAN'T HAVE A COUPLE MORE CAMPSITES. MY NEPHEW GOES DOWN THERE AND GOES THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS. THESE ARE -- I MEAN, IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET AS MANY OF THESE ISLANDS THAT WE CAN, IN MY OPINION. AND I HAVE GOT ANOTHER COUPLE THAT ARE SURROUNDED BY MARSH THAT I WILL BRING BACK AGAIN IF THE BOARD LIKES ALL THESE ISLANDS.

BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO SELL SMALL PIECES SURROUNDING

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I HOPE YOU WILL LOOK AT THESE. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE EVENTUAL PAL LEGAL YOU MAY HAVE TO GO OUT OF THE IMMEDIATE FLAGLER ST. JOHNS AREA AND THEN YOU WILL SEE IT SPROUT A BIG HOUSE AND IMPACT ON AN AREA THAT WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST TO KEEP THIS CLEAN AND PRISTINE AS WE CAN.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ELIZABETH. >> GO AHEAD.

SO, RYAN, YOU WERE SAYING THAT THERE IS NO UTILITIES AVAILABLE

ON THIS PROPERTY? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

IT IS SURROUNDED BY MARSH? OKAY. OKAY.

SO FROM A REALTOR 'S STANDPOINT, IS THIS LOT OR ISLAND AT RISKS

ARE OF BEING DEVELOPED? >> I HAVE A OUTPARCEL FOR WITH THE MATANZAS STATE FOREST WHERE I HAVE A GARDEN.

AND I HAVE BANK SOLAR AND I CAN RUN AIR CONDITIONER IN MY LITTLE AIRSTREAM. AND, YEAH, I THINK -- PROBABLY NOT TOMORROW, BUT, YEAH, I THINK CLEAR THREE IT IS.

WOULDN'T YOU LOVE TO HAVE A LITTLE WEEKEND PLACE OUT THERE ON THIS ISLAND? I MEAN, I WOULD.

I HAVE WALKED THROUGH THE ITEMS TOO, J.B. AND I DIDN'T GET PERMISSION AND SOME PEOPLE LIVED IN SOME OF THOSE ISLANDS.

>> RYAN, BACK TO YOU. WILL THE COUNTY ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS IF THERE WAS NO UTILITIES OR

ELECTRICITY AVAILABLE? >> THOSE ISSUES WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE UTILITIES.

HOW YOU WOULD HANDLE SOLID WASTE AND DRINKING WATER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AS LONG AS THEY PROVIDED AN APPLICATION FOR REVIEW AND THEY SAY THEY WILL ACCESS IT FROM THE WA WATER.

AS LONG AS THEY MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT WOULD BE ISSUED AND A LONG LIST OF REQUIREMENTS.

>> I GUESS, PAT, I AM JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WITH -- WITH THE MONEY SITUATION, YOU KNOW, FUNDING AND BUDGETS AND THAT TYPE OF THING, IF A PARCEL IS -- IS ALREADY PROTECTED

BECAUSE IT IS SO ISOLATED. >> OF COURSE.

>> IS IT -- IS IT WORTH US PURSUING OR PURSUING FOR CONSERVATION BECAUSE NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO IT ANYWAY OTHER THAN BOATERS, KAYAKERS AND OVERNIGHT CAMPERS GETTING IN THERE ONCE IN A WHILE AND DOING WHAT THOSE PEOPLE DO WHICH IS PROBABLY FINE WHERE THERE ARE NO TRESPASSING SIGNS.

>> HAVE YOU BEEN TO COWBOYS RESTAURANT WHEN -- I RODE A LOT OF THESE ITEMS IN 2004. ONE OF THOSE PLACES DIDN'T WANT TO SELL -- BUT NOW THERE IS A BIG DOCK COMING OFF OF THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. THERE IS A DOCK AND THERE IS CLEARLY A LANDING SPACE. AND I TWO SAY INSTEAD OF SAYING WHETHER -- IT CLEARLY CAN BE DEVELOPED AND YOU HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH SOME HOOPS AND DIFFICULTY WILL REFLECT THE PRICE THAT YOU PAY WHETHER YOU WANT TO PROTECT IT OR NOT, FOR ME. YOU GET THE DEEP WATER AND MARSH AND MARITIME HAMMOCK. THAT IS IMPORTANT AND IMPORTANT FOR US TO TRY TO PROTECT THOSE. G UP BY JACKSONVILLE AND YOU WILL FIND PEOPLE LIVING NEAR THOSE ITEMS.

>> RYAN, ANOTHER QUESTION QUICK QUESTION.

DO WE KNOW THE FLOOD ZONE RATING ON THIS PROPERTY? I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

>> SURE, JUST A SECOND HERE. >> JB, WHILE YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT ONE. NO HIGH UPLAND MARITIME HAMMOCK.

BUT LOW MARITIME HAMMOCK. >> I CHECKED THE ELEVATIONS FIVE TO SIX. IT'S NOT -- IT IS GOING TO HAVE SCRUBBIER MARITIME HAMMOCK BUT NOT WITH THE BIG MATURE LIVE OAKS AND BIG MAGNOLIAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WITH CLIMATE CHANGE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT HAPPENING THESE ISLANDS FLOOD MORE REGULARLY

THAN THEY HAVE IN THE WAS. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR TO MR. ADAMS. IT IS FLOOD ZONE AE.

MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY. AND VE ARE -- THESE ARE FEMA FLOOD ZONES -- ON THE VERY SMALL END OF THE SOUTHERN TERMINUS OF

THE PROPERTY. >> OKAY, THANKS, RYAN.

THAT WAS THE ONLY COMMENTS I HAD, MR. HAMILTON.

THANK YOU. >> MR. HAMILTON, WERE YOU ABLE

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>> NO, PERHAPS -- THEY ARE ABOUT TE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY.

COME ON UP, PLEASE WE ARE DOUBLE TEAMING YOU TODAY.

>> SO MY NAME IS DIRK SCHROEDER AND I AM A REAL ESTATE BROKER.

428 GALARDO CIRCLE. I HAVE BEEN WORK WITH THE HAWKINS FAMILY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

THE GENTLEMAN WHO IS THE DECISION-MAKER FOR LAWKINS FAMILY LL KRFSHGZ IS KEN COMMITTEE HAWKINS AND HANDED DOWN TO HIM FROM HIS FATHER AND PROBABLY HAND IT DOWN TO THE NEXT GENERATION. BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DIVEST THEMSELVES OF THE ISLAND. WE HAD INQUIRIES.

AND I WAS GLAD TO HAVE PAT COME TO ME AND TALK TO ME ABOUT THE POTENTIAL CONSERVATION. AND I APPROACHED MR. HAWKINS ABOUT COMING TO LAMP AND COMMITTING AN APPLICATION.

HE WAS FINE WITH THAT. SO NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY INTO CONSERVATION.

ME IT OR NOT. I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 39 YEARS, I NEVER HAVE BEEN HERE. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HERE.

MOST PEOPLE WANT TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY PAUSE THEY THINK THEY WILL GET MORE MONEY FROM PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS.

AND INTNOT THE COUNTY. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL MAPS ON IT AND SEND THOSE AROUND.

I HAVE BEEN TO THE ISLAND SEVERAL TIMES AND THERE ARE NO "NO TRESPASSING" SIGNS. YOU WERE OKAY TO TRESPASS.

AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GET HURT AND TRY TO SUE THE OWNER AND OWN THE ISLAND THAT WAY. SERIOUSLY, THE PROPERTY HAS BEAUTIFUL QUALITIES. THERE IS A LOT OF SCRUB OAK THERE. EVEN ON THE BACK OF THE ISLAND 35-FOOT-TALL PINE TREES STICKING UP LIKE THE ALFALFA.

STICK SOMETHING UP ON THE BACK OF THE HEAD.

BUT IT IS REALLY NICE. WE HAVE SEEN SPOTTED DEER, RACCOON. CERTAINLY RATTLESNAKES ON THIS ISLAND. BIRD SPECIES.

MOSTLY OSPREY. I DON'T THINK THERE IS AN EAGLE ANYWHERE NEAR THERE. AND IT IS MOSTLY SANDY -- SANDY SOIL. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE APPROACH US. WE TALKED TO ONE PERSON WHO WANTED TO TIE IT IN POTENTIALLY WITH HAVING A -- A DOCK THERE AND THEN HAVE A TREASURE HUNT ON THE ISLAND, SO THERE IS THAT.

YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE UTILITY SERVICE FOR THAT YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE CREATIVE IDEAS.

WE CONTINUE TO HAVE PEOPLE INTERESTED FROM TIME TO TIME CERTAINLY POINTED OUT IN TERMS OF THE UTILITY CAN BE A HURDLE.

SOLAR CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THE POWER.

A WELL CAN BE INSTALLED THERE. AND I THINK THE BIGGEST HURDLE, IN MY OPINION, IS THE DISPOTURE OF SEWAGE ON THE ISLAND.

BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO STICK AROUND AND ANSWER.

>> THANK YOU, MR. SCHROEDER. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS?

>> THE QUESTION I BELIEVE WAS THE ON THE CORPS R59 INFORMATION, THE MANAGER AND THE MAILING ADDRESS FOR THE COMPANY IS HONG KONG. THE QUESTION WAS, ARE THE HONERS

IN HONG KONG? >> THAT WILL BE A DIFFERENT LLC IF THROUGH THE CHAIRICS ADDRESS THAT SOME.

THAT IS A REGISTERED CORPORATION WHICH IS A DIFFERENT CORPORATION. THE HAWKINS ISLAND IS A LLC REGISTERED IN THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI.

THAT IS NOT CORRECT ONE, SIR. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE REGISTERED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO OWN PROPERTY.

ONLY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THAT WAS IT.

MISS CROSBY, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT?

>> I PROMISE I WON'T GET UP HERE EVERY TIME BUT I HAVE ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION. EVEN THOUGH THIS LOOKS LIKE A TYPE OF PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE WELL WORTH PRESERVING ESPECIALLY IF IT IS A DESIGNATED BLUEWAY PROPERTY.

I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY YOUR VERY FIRST SENTENCE ON THE LAMP HOME PAGE. THE ST. JOHNS LAND ACQUISITION AND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, LANDS TO IT BE ACQUIRED IN THE INCORPORATED AND UNINCORPORATED FOR CONSERVATION, MANAGEMENT AND

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IF THERE IS NO ACCESS TO IT OTHER THAN AN OCCASIONAL PADDLER COMING UP TO IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT HAS MUCH POTENTIAL FOR PASSIVE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES. THE REASON THAT IS ON THE TOP OF MY MIND BECAUSE I QUESTIONED SOME OTHER PROPERTIES EARLIER, PARTICULARLY THE RIVERDALE PROPERTY WHICH IS PRESERVED FOR PRESERVATION ONLY. I AM CONCERNED THAT WITH THIS PROPERTY AS WELL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MISS CROSBY. BACK TO THE BOARD, FURTHER --

OH, MR. SLAVE N. >> ED LAUGH ISSY SLAVEN, ED SLAVEN.COM. I AGREE WITH MISS CROSBY.

IF THERE IS NO ACCESS, WHY ARE WE CONSIDERING IT.

ALSO WHAT IS THE PROBABILITY OF THIS LAND BEING INUNDATED BY OCEAN LEVEL RISE AND HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT WITH GOOD NUMBERS AND GOOD SCIENCE. THAT POINTS TO THE FACT THAT ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A CHIEF SCIENTIT.

JUST GOT A CHIEF ECONOMIST AND NEVER HEARD FROM HIM.

WE NEVER HAD A CHIEF SCIENTIST WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.

WHAT IS THE POSSIBILITY. WHAT DOES GOOD SCIENCE TELL US AND WE NEED TO BE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE COME HERE.

BECAUSE ANYBODY WITH MONEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A GOVERNMENT CHECK.

THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. WE NEED TO CUT THEM OFF AT THE KNEES. IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PROPERTY WITH ACCESS. IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PROPERTY THAT IS GOING TO BE HERE. IN A FEW YEARS, WE SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERING IT. WE NEED TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS UP FRONT. THAT IS THE PROBLEM, ST. JOHNS COUNTY DOES NOT DO WELL NEGOTIATING WITH CORPORATIONS OR PEOPLE WITH MONEY IN. NEVER HAS, BUT WE NEED TO.

LET'S LOOK AT THIS WITH A GIMLET EYE.

I AGREE WITH MISS CROSS BEE, IF THERE IS NO ACCESS AND THIS CAN BE INUNDATED, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS.

NOT TO FAT CAR BET BAGGERS TO OR ANYBODY ELSE.

WE NEED TO SPEND OUR MONEY TWICELY LIKE MY MOM WOULD SAY.

>> THANK YOU, MR. SLAVEN. I WILL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE COMMENTS, JUST BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE FOR LAMP SPEAKS TO A PROCESS FOR THE SELECTION OF ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS, ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES, HISTORIC SITES, AND OR OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL LANDS. SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WITH EACH ANDERSON, RECREATION DOES NOT AN BE A HAVE TO BE A COMPONENT. OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? >> I DID ACTUALLY.

YOU KIND OF COOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOM.

I WOULD SUPPORT THIS AS A FANTASTIC PROPERTY FOR ACQUISITION UNDER THE LAND ACQUISITION AND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE BOARD MEMBERS TO LOOK BACK AT THE ORDINANCE AND THE 12 POINTS THAT ARE LAID OUT FOR SELECTING PROPERTIES TO ACQUIRE UNDER THIS PROGRAM. I BELIEVE ONLY OF TWO THEM SPECIFICALLY TOUCH ON RECREATION.

AND USING VEHICLE ACCESS AS A -- AS A BARRIER IS A VERY ANTHROPOCENTRIC WAY. WE HAVE A PROGRAM CALLED THE LITIGATOR. TAKE PEOPLE TO CLEAN UP THE ISLANDS. DEEP WATER ACCESS IS HUGE.

FLORIDA IS THE BOATING CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.

PEOPLE ARE OUT ON THE WATER ALL THE TIME ENJOYING AND RECOGNIZE RATING IN OUR MARSH. I AM NOT SURE IF I HAVE THE STATISTIC QUITE RIGHT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE LOSING ABOUT A METER OF LATERAL SALT MARSH EVERY YEAR TO SEA LEVELS RISE AND BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MUCH HARD ARMORING ALONG OUR SHORELINES, THEIR SALT MINE IS GETTING SQUEEZED INTO NONEXISTENCE.

SOME OF THE MOST BIOLOGICAL PARTS OF OUREST WAR PRE AND HAVING PROPERTIES LIKE THIS THAT WILL ALLOW SALT MARCH MIGRATION INWARD AND HABITAT AREAS NOT INUNDATED BY PEOPLE IS A HUGE ECONOMIC BENEFIT. SOMETIMES HAVING A BARRIER TO ACCESS IS A REAL GOOD THING FOR CONSERVATION PROPERTIES BECAUSE SO MANY OF OUR STATE PARKS AND COUNTY PARKS.

THEY ARE GETTING LOVED TO DEATH. HAVING INTO MANY PEOPLE CANNOT BE HOSPITABLE FOR WILDLIFE SO HAVING A PROPERTY LIKE THIS CAN

BE GREAT UNDER THE LAMP PROGRAM. >> THANK YOU, MISSLUMBERK.

A GOOD REMINDER THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS MORE HOLISTICALLY. I AGREE WITH A LOT OF POINTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, MY MAIN

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KNOWING THAT IT IS -- IT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE.

KNOWING SOME COMPARABLES IN THIS AREA.

WE CAN LOOK AT FISH ISLAND, FOR EXAMPLE, PROPERTY WHICH HAS ACCESS. BUT I DO THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BENEFITS TO THE ACQUISITION OF THIS PROPERTY AND I AM CERTAINLY IN SUPPORT OF IT. SO ANY -- MR. SMITH?

>> I WILL JUST BRIEFLY SAY I SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD IN OUR PROCESS WITH THIS PROPERTY BASED ON A LOT OF THE POINTS ALREADY

MADE. >> OKAY.

IS THAT A MOTION? >> YES.

AND AS FAR AS THE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITY, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT OUR THINKING TO JUST PRIVATE PADDLERS.

BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME NUMEROUS LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT OPERATE SMALL TOUR BOATS THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM THIS RECREATIONAL

STANDPOINT AS WELL. >> OKAY.

LOOKING FOR A MOTION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD AND VOTE ON THIS.

ON ITEM NUMBER 3. WELL, A MOTION IN FAVOR OF.

THAT'S FINE. >> TO MOVE IT TO THE NEXT STEP SO IT CAN BE ULTIMATELY RANKED, I GUESS.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS PROPERTY ALONG TO OUR NEXT MEETING FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> I WILL SECOND. >> THANK YOU, MR. SMITH.

DISCUSSION? OKAY, HEARING NONE.

WE WILL MOVE TO A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOVING THE HAWKINS ISLAND PARCEL TO OUR NEXT MEETING FOR FURTHER

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IN NAY. >> NAY.

>> ONE NAY FROM MR. ADAMS. MOTION CARRIES.

THIS PARCEL WILL CONTINUE. WE WILL TALK MORE AT OUR FEBRUARY MEETING. ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE GOOD TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4, ANOTHER NEW PROPERTY, THE SHORES BOULEVARD PROPERTY ST. AUGUSTINE SHORES FIRST DISCUSSION. TURN IT OVER TO YOU, RYAN.

>> SO ITEM 4, THE SHORES BOULEVARD PROPERTY APPLICATION.

THE COUNTY RECEIVED THIS IN SEPTEMBER OF '23.

THIS IS ANOTHER FIRST REVIEW PROPERTY.

IT'S ROUGHLY 195 ACRES WITHIN THE SOUTHEASTERN CORNER OF THE SHORES P.U.D. AS UNIT 7 OF THAT P.U.D. AND OWNED BY THE DELTONA CORPORATION. CONSISTENCY OF VARIOUS OPEN SPACE, BUFER AND PLATTED RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND A BREAKDOWN PROVIDED IN THE MATERIALS THERE AND ALSO AN AERIAL THAT DEPICTS T THE VARIOUS TRACKS AND SOME ARE SCATTERED WITH THE MAIN AREA ROUGHLY 170 ACRES ALONG WITH THE MATANZAS RIVER. HAMMOCK, VEGETATIVE COMMUNITY MOSTLY. SALT MARSH ALONG THE EASTERN BANKS OF THE MATANZAS RIVER. IT IS LOCATED IN THE FLORIDA FOREVER NORTHEAST BLUEWAY CORRIDOR AND ADJACENT TO THE STATE MOSES CREEK CONSERVATION AREA OWNED BY THE ST. JOHNS RIVER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT JUST TO THE SOUTH AND TOUCHES THE PROPERTY LINE. THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE TO THE SOUTH A KNOWN BALD EAGLE TEST.

A LARGE FORESTED AREA WITH LIMITED OR NO TRAIL SYSTEM.

A SMALL AREA TO THE NORTH WITH AN ACCESS DRIVE LOCATE ALONG SHORES BOULEVARD THERE. AND A SMALL PARKING AREA AND A STRUCTURE. THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN SAID BY THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL BE REMOVED IF ACQUIRED BY THE COUNTY. I BELIEVE THAT STRUCTURE ARE USED FOR MARKETING PURPOSES AND NOW USED FOR STORAGE AND DILAPIDATED NOW OR NOT USED SO PRESERVATION AND FOR PASSIVE RECREATIONAL USES INCLUDING WILDLIFE WATCHING AND HIKING AND BIKING POTENTIAL FOR THIS PROPERTY OBVIOUSLY GRANT FUNDING FOR COSTS. DEPARTMENTAL COMMENTS, PARKS AND

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AND THAT COMPLETES THE SUMMARY, UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC

QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, RYAN.

QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS ONE?

MR. MILLER? >> AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER -- I WILL CALL YOU IN A MINUTE. THIS IS A -- IN MY OPINION, A VERY SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR ACQUISITION.

I REACHED OUT TO THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND FOR DISCLOSURE PURPOSES, I USED TO WORK THERE SO I KNEW WHO TO CALL. FOR THE MANAGEMENT, IF ACQUIRED THEY WOULD HAPPY TO BE A MANAGER OF THE MOSES CREEK CONSERVATION AREA. I HAVE NOT TRESPASSED ON THIS PROPERTY BUT THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY CLOSE TO IT MORRIS CREEK I AM FAMILIAR BECAUSE I WROTE THE PLAN AND THE RESEARCH SURVEY. IT IS AN EXTENSION AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO ACQUIRE A MILE OF MARSH FRONTAGE. A PRETTY UNUSUAL THING IN TODAY'S WORLD. AND SO I DID -- I SPOKE QUITE AT LENGTH YESTERDAY WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN.

HE CALLED ME. AND HE -- I KNOW HE WANTED ME.

HE SAID IT WAS OKAY FOR ME TO SAY THIS THAT HE IS VERY MUCH AS ONE MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS.

AND HE -- IF WE MOVE IT FORWARD, HE PLANS TO REACH OUT TO THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD MEMBERS AND HELP AND DEP AS WELL TO PUT IT INTO ORBIT. IF THERE IS SMALL AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR THE COUNTY AND FUNDING FROM THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THE HEAVY LIFT WILL BE DEP, THIS PRICE TAG IS NOT -- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPRAISAL WILL BE, OF COURSE. IT HAS ALL THESE INDICTLEMENTLESS. WE TONIGHT KNOW WHAT IT WILL PRAISE BUT IT IS WORTH A SHOT IN HIS OPINION.

I WANTED TO BRING THAT FORWARD. >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENCE OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON -- MR.

FLOWERS. >> RYAN, THE AREA WEST -- IT LOOKS LIKE AN UNDEVELOPED AREA WEST OF THIS PARCEL BETWEEN ST.

AUGUSTINE SHORES PARCEL. IS THAT ENTITLED FOR DEVELOPMENT

EXPECTED TO BE DEVELOPED. >> YES, THE AREA IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST OF THE HIGHLIGHTED PARCELS IS -- IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT. I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME CONSTRUCTION PLANS SUBMITTED FOR THOSE PHASES.

>> THANK YOU. >>.

I WAS GOING TO SAY I THINK IT IS A DESIRABLE PIECE TO BE ABLE

TO PURSUE. >> I AGREE AS WELL.

DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM OUR SPEAK HER IN.

>> YES, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD.

MR. SCHROEDER, WOULD YOU -- THANK YOU.

>> DIRK SCHROEDER, GALLARDO CIRCLE.

I AM THE REAL ESTATE BROKER WORKING WITH THE DELTONA CORPORATION. AS A POINT OF DISCLOSURE, MY HOUSE IS ON THAT MAP. NONE OF MY NEIGHBORS KNOW I AM DOING THIS. I REALLY WANTED TO TRY TO KEEP THIS A LITTLE BIT OFF THE RADAR BECAUSE ST. AUGUSTINE SHORES RESIDENTS WILL COME OUT AND REALLY SUPPORT THIS.

BECAUSE NEVER SEEN WHAT K.B. HAS DONE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER HERE AND THEY DON'T LIKE IT. MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT.

I PERSONAL ME AM A REAL ESTATE BROKER.

IT'S BUSINESS. THEY BOUGHT IT.

THERE WERE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IN PLACE FOR 50 YEARS, FOR GOODNESS SAKES. THIS HAS PLATTED LOTS FOR 50 YEARS. I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AND WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OWNS PROPOSAL -- I THINK IT WAS 14 MILES FROM THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THIS PROPERTY.

MR. HAMILTON IS HERE AND HE OWNS 20 ACRES ALONG STATE ROAD 206 AND ANOTHER 25 AT THE END OF THAT ROAD.

AND ONLY FOUR OTHER PARCELS ASIDE FROM THE TWO THAT HE OWNS THAT ARE PRIVATELY OWNED. THIS IS -- THIS IS ONE MILE OF

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SO I WOULD REALLY STRONGLY CONSIDER IT.

FOR MY OWN PERSONAL REASONS, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE WILL HAVE SIDEWALKS UP AND DOWN SHORES 3W5 BOULEVARD RIGHT THERE. K.B. HAS PRETTY MUCH DONE THEIR FIRST PHASE. THEY WILL HAVE THEIR SECOND PHASE BETWEEN WHAT YOU SEE AS THE SAND OVER THERE AND -- AND WHAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. THERE WILL BE A SECOND FACE IN THERE. THERE IS ONE COMMERCIAL PARCEL THAT IS BETWEEN THE -- WHAT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE DANGLING PIECE OVER THERE AND SHORES BOULEVARD.

THERE IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THERE.

WE RECENTLY TOLD THE PARCEL TO A CHURCH WHICH IS AT THE NORTHERN END AND ACROSS FROM THAT ENTRANCE THERE THEY ARE PLANNING TO PUT A CHURCH THERE. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL LAND. I HAVE BEEN ON IT SEVERAL TIMES AND JEFF, MY PARTNER, HAS BEEN THERE WITH HIS AIRBOAT AND WE HAVE TAKEN PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY AND DEVELOPERS ARE LINING UP AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT NOT HAPPEN LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU. >> TO FURTHER MR. SCHROEDER'S POINT FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR.

THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THIS PARTY, MARE EVER FRONTAGE ALL AND BELOW PELETIER CREEK INTO BLIGHTER COUNTY IS OWNED BY THE STATE, WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY.

MULTIPLE ENTITIES A SPECTACULAR. AND MOSES CREEK CONSERVATION

AREAS. >> ED SLAVIN, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS 30 4, EDSLAVIN.COM.

THOSE PROPERTIES YOU ALL MENTIONED WE LIKE FOR THE NATIONAL PARK AND I TALKED TO HENRY DEAN WHO HELPED TO ACQUIRE THAT WITH YOU AND FLORIDA FLOWERS.

IF YOU TAKE ALL THE LAND YOU ACQUIRED IN ST. JOHNS 70,000 ACRES AND THE 17,000 IN 17 COUNTIES.

WILL MAKE A. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DISCLOSURE OF EX-PARTE CONTACTS. HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING FROM DELTONA CORPORATION? LET'S GET SOME PRE SKRIPT TIF P DISCLOSURES AND INCLUDE THE MARKUM LAW FIRM AND JUDGE WILSY AND HENRY DEAN A LAWYER WITH THAT FIRM AND DAVID SHORE THEIR CHIEF INVESTIGATORS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONTACTS WITH DAVID SHORE, HENRY DEAN, JUDGE MARKUM.

LET'S PUT IT ON THE ROAR AND IN THE FUTURE OUR FORMS BE MORE RIG US WILL. I LIKE THE PROPERTY MY MENTOR OF THE LABOR DEPARTMENT WILL ASK AND TELL ME TO ASK FOR YEARS.

WHO BENEFITS? WHO ARE THE BENEFICIAL OWNERS IN DELTONA CORPORATION? WE NEED TO BE A LOT MORE RIGOROUS FOR DISCLOSURE OF CORPORATE INTEREST.

AND I WANT TO KNOW AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW.

ARTICLE 1 OF OUR FLORIDA CONSTITUTION WAS AMENDED AS YOU ALL KNOW IN 1992 BY VOTE OF THE PEOPLE.

83%. 800,000 VOTES TO ENACT THE -- THE FLORIDA INSTITUTION PROVISION ON OPEN RECORDS.

LET'S HAVE RIGOROUS DISCUSSION. GO TO THE NEXT PHASE.

LOOKING FOR DISCLOSURE OF HENRY DEAN, DAVID SHORE, DELTONA CORPORATION. WHO CONTACTED WHO AND WHO BENEFITS FROM THIS. A BIG PLOT OF LAND FOR A GREAT SEASHORE OR ST. JOHNS COUNTY PARK.

WE NEED TO KNOW AND PAY ATTENTION TO CORRUPTION AND ANY AVOIDANCE OF ANY APPEARANCE OF IMPRO IMPROPRIETY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. SLAVEN. DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED EARLIER? I DON'T WANT TO MISS YOU IF YOU

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HAVE A COMMENT. >> I AM GOOD.

I THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A MOTION AND I WAS GETTING READY

TO SECOND IT. >> JUST WANTED TO CHECK TO MAKE

SURE WE DIDN'T SKIP ANYBODY. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS IS AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY AND KIND OF A NO BRAIN ER.

>> I AGREE. LOOKING FOR THAT MOTION.

QUICK COMMENT. >> I WANT TO NEXT I AGREE THERE WILL BE A GREAT DEAL OF PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR THIS IF THE RESIDENTS OF THAT AREA WERE AWARE THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING.

I HAPPEN TO MEET SOME PEOPLE OVER THE WEEKEND.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW THEIR NAMES. THEY SAID THEY LIVED IN THAT AREA. I SAID WE WERE HEARING SOMETHING OF CONSERVATION LAND AND THEY WERE VERY EXCITED AT THAT IDEA AND I AM SURE MANY MORE OF THEIR NEIGHBORS WOULD BE.

>> SO MADAM CHAIR, I WILL LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MAKE THIS INTO OUR FORMAL REVIEW PROCESS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. ADAMS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT?

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>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU, MR. MILLER.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR OF MOVING THE SHORES BOULEVARD PARCELS TO THE NEXT STAGE IN THE PROCESS FOR EVALUATION, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED, IT SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU, EVERYONE. THAT IS AN EXCITING PROJECT HALFWAY THROUGH, ITEM NUMBER 5, THE BISHOP ESTATES ROAD PROPERTY EVALUATION. SECOND EVALUATION AND SCORING FOR THIS PROPERTY. UNFORTUNATELY, MISS ROBBINS WAS UNABLE TO JOIN US TODAY. RYAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND GIVING

US AN OVERVIEW. >> SURE.

SO THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT WE -- THE LAMP BOARD HAD REVIEWED PREVIOUSLY IN LAST MEETING IN ACT.

70 ACRE TOTAL PROPERTY LOCATED ON BISHOP ESTATES ROAD IN NORTHWEST ST. JOHNS COUNTY. ALONG JEWELTON CREEK JUST SOUTH OF IT. THERE ARE TWO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH -- ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BISHOP ESTATES ROAD TOTALING THREE ACRES OR SO WITH AN EXISTING RESIDENTS ON IT AND GIVES DIRECT ACCESS TO JEWELTON CREEK. AS YOU STATED.

THIS IS A SECOND REVIEW AND EVALUATION.

SO THE BOARD MEMBERS WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THEIR EVALUATION SCORE SHEETS TO STAFF WHEN THEY ARE DONE WITH THIS ITEM.

SINCE THOSE ARE PUBLIC RECORD. AND SO AS I -- AS I STATED IN MY E-MAIL TO YOU EARLIER, COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO PROVIDE THOSE EVALUATION SCORES TO STAFF.

SO HOPEFULLY YOU FILLED THOSE OUT FOR US TODAY SO WE CAN PROVIDE A SCORE. AND SO THIS WITH AS SUBMITTED BY LAMP MEMBER ROBBINS BACK IN SEPTEMBER THIS YEAR.

AND THE APPLICANT IS SARAH AND CLARK BAILEY.

AND STAFF REQUESTED SOME -- AN UPDATE TO THE APPLICATION WITH ALL THE PARCELS TO IT BE INCLUDED.

AND SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENT WAS PROVIDED BY MILLS MISS ROBBINS AND THE APPLICANT, DESCRIBING THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THE VISION ON PROPOSED USES FOR THE PROPERTY.

IF THE COUNTY WERE TO ACQUIRE THE PROMPTS THROUGH THE LAMP PROGRAM. AND I CAN READ THOSE IF -- IF POSSIBLE. THEY WERE ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGES. THE PDF FOR THE DOCUMENT THERE.

THE BIG THING I DO WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO IS LOOK LIKES THE BAILEY FAMILY IS WILLING TO DONATE 50% OF THE 'PRAISED LAND VALUE AS A MATCH FOR THE PROJECT.

FOR EXAMPLE, IT WAS PROVIDED HERE IN THIS ITEM HERE.

IF THE LAND APPRAISES AS $20 MILLION, THEY AGREE $10 MILLION SALES PRICE. THEY ARE ALSO WILLING TO DO A PHASED APPROACH TO ACQUISITION AS WELL.

AND THERE IS SOME CONTINUED DISCUSSION THERE IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION. I CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE IT.

BUT, AGAIN, THAT WAS PROVIDED WITH YOUR PACKAGE THERE.

I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY IS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT IS THE APPLICANT HERE TODAY THAT WILL PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT DID REVIEW THE APPLICATION, AND PROVIDED THAT THESE PARCELS WILL BE A HUGE ASSET TO THE COUNTY.

WITH THEM PROVIDING WATERWAY ACCESS, GREEN SPACE AND WORKING FARMLAND. THE PURCHASE OF THIS LAND WILL ALLOW THE COUNTY TO HAVE A TRUE NATURE WATERWAY EDUCATION CENTER

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SO A CUP OTHER POINTS OF NOTIFICATION, NORTHEASTERN PARCELS. TWO OF THEM WITHIN THE JEWEL TOWN CREEK PLANTATION P.U.D. AND SHOULD BE SENT TO THEIR A.R.C.

OR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD SINCE THOSE PARCELS ARE LOCATED WITHIN THAT P.U.D. AN ACTMENT TO THE EASTERN PROPERTY TO ACCESS THE ADJACENT CREEK NAMED FLORA PRAVENLG THAT RUNS THE NORTHEAST CORNER AND INTO JEWELTON CREEK.

AS STATED PREVIOUSLY, THE TWO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED ALONG JEWELTON CREEK DO HAVE EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT CAN PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE CREEK. THE LARGER PROPERTY ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE IS AN EXISTING RANCH WITH LIVESTOCK AND RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURE STRUC STRUCTURES. SOME AS WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, PROPERTIES COULD BE USED FOR AN ASSORTMENT OF PASSIVE RECREATIONAL AND EDUCATIONAL OPPORT OPPORTUNITIES. GRANT FUNDING FOR ACQUISITION COULD BE NECESSARY DUE TO THE COST.

AND OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTIES OVER TIME WITH A PHASED APPROACH BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

SO THAT IS THE SUMMARY PROVIDED FOR YOU UNLESS YOU HAVE MORE

SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. >> THANKS, RYAN.

YEAH, THIS IS A REALLY EXCITING PROJECT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE WANTED TO SEE THIS PROPERTY CONSERVE $IN S-- CONSERVED FOR SOME TIME.

IN OUR LAND TRUST DAYS, WE ATTEMPTED TO CONSERVE THIS PROPERTY AND THE FUNDING WAS NOT THERE.

HOPING THINGS WILL CHANGE AND THANK THE FAMILY NOR THEIR EXTREME GENEROSITY TO DONATE A PORTION OF THE VALUE.

BUT I WILL SEE IF ANY OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS HAVE COMMENTS OAR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THIS ONE? OH, SORRY.

>> RYAN, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU I THINK YOU SAID THIS IN YOUR REPORT, BUT -- DO I UNDERSTAND THE FAMILY IS WILLING TO GIVE A 50 -- OR CONTRIBUTE 50% TOWARD THE APPRAISED VALUE.

THAT IS A COMMITMENT TO THEM. WHILE THE APPLICATION ESTIMATES THE VALUES, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE DIFFERENT BASED ON THE APPRAISAL. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

>> RIGHT, THAT'S CORRECT. >> A SUBSTANTIAL AND SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT TO CONSIDER, FOR S

SURE. >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS. VANESSA LANGFORD.

>> JENNIFER WILL BE FIRST. >> HOWEVER YOU LIKE IT.

THANK YOU. >> FAST FOR HAVING US.

SOME FIRST, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS PROPERTY IS DOING AMAZING THINGS ALREADY. I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF HORSE SENSE AND CERTAINSTIVITY. WE HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR 20 YEARS AND FREIGHTING OUT OF THE BAILEY RANCH PROPERTY FOR 12.

WE HAVE BEEN TRULY FORTUNATE TO OPERATE ALONGSIDE THE MANY THINGS THAT THE FAMILY DOES OF RAISING CATTLE, BOARDING HORSES, RESCUING HORSES AND FARM ANIMALS, TEACHING GROUP, WESTERN RIDING LESSONS, OFFERING TRAIL RIDES, MAINTAINING ANIMALS AND I KNOW THEY WORK DOING AGRICULTURAL PROJECTS THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA AND THE AG CENTER.

OUR MISSION IS TO ENRICH LIVES AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT FOR HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WE HAVE BEEN AT BAILEY RANCH.

WE EMPOWER INDIVIDUALS WITH DIFFERING ABILITIES THROUGH YOUR EQUINE THERAPY. WE -- OUR MAIN PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE THERAPY TO RIDING FOR ZIDZ WITH SPECIAL NEEDS.

WE HAVE CLIENTS RANGING FROM THREE TO THE MID-40S WITH MANY DIFFERENT DIAGNOSES INCLUDING AUTISM, DOWN SYNDROME, CEREBRAL PALSY AND OTHER MENTAL, PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL CHALLENGES.

OVER THE 20 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS AND 12 YEARS AT THE RANCH, WE SERVED SEVERAL HUNDRED CLIENTS.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE 65 OR MORE CLIENTS JUST BETWEEN JILL STOKES AND I, THE TWO MAIN INSTRUCTORS. IN IS A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT THAN MANY THERAPEUTIC RIDING PROGRAMS THAT ARE, LIKE, CONTAINED IN AN ARENA ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE WHOLE FARM TO SHARE WITH OUR CLIENTS AND OUR FAMILIES.

THE RANCH IS A SPECIAL PLACE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

A PLACE TO GO RELAX AND COMMUNION WITH NATURE.

HORSES, FARM ANIMALS, BIRDS, BUTTERFLIES.

AT THAT HAVEN OF PEACE AND TRANQUILITY IN A COMMUNITY WHERE

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BEING THERE TAKES YOU TO A POINT IN TIME WHERE IT IS A SLOWER PACE CALMER WORLD AWAY FROM THE CRAZINESS OF OUR DAILY LIVES AND THE TECHNOLOGY THAT BOGS US DOWN.

WE LOVE OUR TIME AT THE RANCH AND SO DO OUR FAMILIES, CLIENTS AND VOLUNTEERS ESPECIALLY DURING COVID IN THE AFTERMATH, THE RANCH WAS A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME, DO OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES WHEN MANY THINGS WERE CLOSED FOR THEM TO DO.

HORSE SENSE DOES MANY THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY EAR THAN JUSTING TO OUR THERAPEUTIC RIDING PROGRAMS. WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH BROOKS PEDIATRIC RECREATION WE DO TWO EVENTS WITH THEM AS COMMUNITY OUTREACH WITH SPECIAL NEEDS AND KIDS IN THE COMMUNITY. WE DELVE ABOUT 30 CLIENTS AND 30 PARTICIPANTS IN A THREE-HOUR WINDOW WHERE THEY COME TO BAILEY'S RANCH AND GETS A HORSE EXPERIENCE THAT THEY MAY NOT GET OTHERWISE. BECAUSE OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH BROOKS, THEY ALSO STARTED A COMMUNITY GARDEN THERE AND EIGHT-WEEK GARDENING CLASSES FOR SPECIAL NEEDS KIDS.

AND THE THIRD YEAR ENDING IN DECEMBER THAT THEY ARE DOING THOSE CLASSES. CAN I GO?

>> FINISH YOUR THOUGHT, SURE. >> WE HAVE BEEN COACHING SPECIAL OLYMPICS FOR FIVE YEARS AT THE RANCH.

WE HAVE DONE MANY, MANY GIRL SCOUTS AND BOY SCOUTS EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS. WE HAVE COMMUNITY EVENTS FOR COMMUNITY OUTREACH. WE HAVE DONE PROBABLY SECRETARIES TO EIGHT BIG FUND RAISING EVENTS THAT INVITE THE COMMUNITY INTO THE RANCH. WE TEAMS DO BIRTHDAY PARTIES FOR OUR CLIENTS AND OTHER PEOPLE THERE.

IT ALSO VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK WITH A NONPROFIT FOR MANY HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS IN THE AREA.

THEY -- THEY GET TO RIDE AND WORK WITH HORSES.

AND WE HAVE SENIOR VOLUNTEERS WHO ACTUALLY ARE COMING OUT AND WORKING WITH THE RESCUE HORSES AND DOING GROOMING AND TAKING CARE OF. WES WILL ALSO HAVE A NEW -- MY DAUGHTER IS 23. HAS HER OWN CLIENT BASE TEACHING ENGLISH LESSONS AND INVOLVED IN NATIONAL PONY CL CLUB FOR TEN YEARS AND STARTED A PONY CLUB THAT IS A NONPROFIT OUT OF THE RANCH OF HOME BASE. WE ARE REACHING THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY WHAT IT OFFERS IN BOTH ACTIVITIES, PROGRAMS AND ALSO FOR THE SPECIAL PLACE IT IS. BEAUTIFUL, QUIET, PEACEFUL AND NATURAL, SECLUDED. A TRULY REMARKABLE PLACE THAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY AS A SPECIALTY PARK.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> NOW VANESSA -- OAR -- THEN WHATEVER ORDER YOU WANT.

KIM -- THEN KIM PLUNKETT. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

AFFILIATION FORS. >> MY NAME IS KIM PLUNKETT.

I AM A BOARDER AT BAILEY'S RANCH AND HAVE BEEN -- I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR TEN YEARS. MY DAUGHTER STARTED AT SEVEN TAKING RIDE LESSONS THERE. I WOULD LOAF TO SEE THIS PLACE REMAIN. SHE IS 17 AND IS STILL RIDING THERE. IT OFFERS A LOT OF THINGS TO YOUNG PEOPLE THAT I THINK IS VERY BENEFICIAL TO OUR COMMUNITY AS FAR AS WITH THE CATTLE. MY DAUGHTER HAS LEARNED HOW TO ROUND UP CATTLE AND BRING THEM IN.

SHE LOVES IT. I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE OUT THERE AND A GOOD PLACE TO COME WHERE YOU HAVE A SOCIETY WITH ALL THE 10E67D AND THINGS THAT YOUNG PEOPLE CAN BE THEMSELVES AND NOT FEEL PRESSURE TO BE ANYBODY WITH WHO THEY ARE.

I WOULD LOVE FOR IT TO CONTINUE WITH THE OTHER YOUNG PEOPLE TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPERIENCE WHAT SHE HAS EXPERIENCED. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. >> NOW YOUR TURN, VANESSA.

>> IT IS MINE? >> IT IS.

>> HAVE NECESSARY IS A LANGFORD, 1144 PARKVILLE WAY.

THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY TO 135EK ON BEHALF 6 THE BUSHZ PROPERTY. MANY BENEFITS THAT THIS PROPERTY PROVIDES FOR BOARDERS, STUDENTS AND FAMILIES.

I WANT TO ECHO THOSE AS WELL. I WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ANIMALS FOR A MOMENT. IT IS A SAFE HAVEN FOR THEM.

PROPERTY PROVIDES A LARGE AREA OF NATURAL ENVIRONMENT FOR THE HORSES, COWS, SHEEP, PIGS AND OTHER FARM ANIMALS.

THE AREAS ARE PERFECT FOR ROAMING AND GRAZING NATURALLY FROM A HORSE'S PERSPECTIVE. THERE IS ACCESS TO FRESH WATER AND FOOD. AND THE LOVE AND CARE BY MANY, MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT COME OUT THERE.

AS YOU MAY -- AS YOU MAY KNOW, MANY PEOPLE NEED NATURE AND ANIMALS FOR THEIR EMOTIONAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP.

FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL. AREA FOR BEE KEEP CAN, POLLINATOR GARDENS, FISH AND WILDLIFE.

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THROUGH THIS CORPORATION, IT CAN ASSIST IN THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THE PROPERTY THROUGH VENUES SUCH AS EXECUTIVE TEAM BUILDING AND RETREATS, WEDDINGS, SUMMER CAMPS, CHURCH EVENTS, BOYS AND GIRL SCOUTS EVENTS, GENERAL COMMUNITY FUND RAISING LOCATIONS BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LAND.

SCHOOL FIELD TRIPS, ETC. FROM A PERSONAL STANDPOINT, IS THIS IS JUST A JEM TO ME. AN OUTLET AS KIM SAID FOR NATURE AND MEET AND GREET THE PUBLIC. WE JUST LOVE IT.

AND WE HOPE WE WILL BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMUNITY AT LARGE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? MR. SLAVEN.

>> ED SLAVEN. AS I TOLD THE BCC.

IT IS A LOVELY PROPERTY. IF WE GET IT, LET'S MAKE THIS SARAH BAILEY PARK. I THINK WE BELIEVE ALL AGREE ON THAT. AS WE DISCUSSED GO WITH THE BCC AND COMMISSIONER DEAN. WHAT IS THE SKAT US OF THE CHEMISTRY OF THE POTENTIAL FOR FUNGICIDES, PESTICIDES AND FERTILIZERS ON THE PROPERTY? AND WHO IS DOING THE ANALYTICAL CHEMISTRY WORK? I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT THE COUNTY REACH OUT TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY REGION FOUR, THE S SESD LAB. I TOURED THE LAB.

I HAVE CLIENTS WHO WORK THERE AND THEY DO REALLY GOOD WORK.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO NOT HAVE AN APOPKA LAKE BIRD KILL SITUATION THERE. IF THERE ARE BARRELS, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IT IN THERE. I WANT THE COMPLETE INVENTORY OF WHAT IS THERE ANDLETS 'BE THOROUGH AND BE AWARE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THAT COMMISSIONER DEAN EXPLAINED.

HE WAS PART OF THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAD TO TESTIFY IN FRONT OF A FEDERAL GRAND JURY OF THE LAKE APOPKA BIRD KILL. I HOPE THERE IS NOT A LOT OF BARRELS IN THERE. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS THERE AND THE REMEDIATION COST WILL BE.

AND WE NEED TO HAVE HE THINKS PER TEASE THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THE COUNTY STAFF HAS. I WILL BE AWARE OF BELTWAY BANDITS AND CONSULTANTS. SEG LAB IN GEORGIA IS THE GOLD STANDARD AND WE WILL KNOW FOR SURE TO GET E.P.A. INVOLVED.

I WOULDN'T TRUST DE PFSHGZ BECAUSE OF POLITICS AND SIMPLE REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATIONS HAVE DONE TO ATTACK THE INDEPENDENCE OF DEP WHICH ONCE WITH A GREAT AGENCY AND NOW IMMEDIATE ONNER.

GET IN TOUCH WITH THE LAB AND GET EPA SCIENTISTS INVOLVED AND LET'S -- MIKE LIE MOM WOULD SAY, TRUST YOUR MOTHER AND CUT THE CARDS. FIND OUT FOR SURE ABOUT THESE BARRELS AND WHAT'S IN THEM AND WHAT IT WILL COST TO REMEDIATE IT AND WHO WILL DO IT. AND HOW THAT WILL FIGURE INTO THE SALES PRICE, BECAUSE IF THERE IS CONTAMINATION, WE WANT IT REMOVED BEFORE IT IS A PARK. AND WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SALES PRICE ACCURATELY REFLECTS POTENTIAL REMEDIATION COST FOR THE POTENTIAL CONTAMINATION OF PESTICIDES, FUNJICIDE, REDENTICE DE AND PESTICIDES.

A MOUTHFUL 37. BABIES WILL PLAY AND WE DON'T WANT THE BABIES TO HAVE A MOUTHFUL OF PEST OF PESTICIDES, FUGICIDE. NOT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY WAY.

DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. >> THANK YOU, MR. SLAVEN.

THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO TOOK TIME OUT TO BE WITH US TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF PROPERTIES. REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

TURN IT BACK TO THE BOARD IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF I MISSED SOMETHING. DO WE KNOW IF THERE ARE BARRELS

ON THE RECORD, RYAN? >> WE DON'T KNOW.

>> NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF. >> I KNOW A BONA FIDE AGRICULTURAL OPERATION COULD HAVE FERTILIZERS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. I DO BELIEVE THERE IS A DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS THAT DOES PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL AUDITS AND THAT KIND OF THING THAT WOULD INVESTIGATE ALL THIS.

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>> MR. FLOWERS. >> I WILL REPEAT WHAT I SAID OF THE PRIOR PROPERTY AND I WASN'T HERE 59 THE PRIOR DISCUSSION TWO MONTHS AGO AT THE MEETING. THIS IS A NO BRAINER.

A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY AND I WILL MOVE -- WELL, THERE IS NOT A MOTION TO BE MADE. WE WILL RANK THIS, I GUESS AND PROCEED ACCORDINGLY. BUT THIS IS -- THIS IS A GREAT OPPORT OPPORTUNITY.

>> TO RYAN, AND TOP STAFF. THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER PROPERTY THAT HAS A HISTORY OF AGRICULTURAL USES.

AND IT IS -- IT IS IN MY OPINION ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE PHASE ONE SITE ASSESSMENT DONE BY A CERTIFIED -- AND THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT ARE VERY GOOD AT IT.

IT IS NOT COST PROHIBITED. A AND. 245 CLEAR YOUR CONSCIOUS IF

THERE COULD BE SOMETHING. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, THAT IS PART OF THE COUNTY'S ACQUISITION THAT WE HAVE PHASE ONE DONE --

>> ON ALL OF THEM? 13 ON PROPERTIES COMING IN.

>> I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. THANK YOU.

>> MR. SMITH. >> SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR ADVICE FROM THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.

WITH REGARD TO THE MATCHING OPPORTUNITIES.

ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE WOULD ATTEMPT TO COMMUNICATE WITH REGARDING THE PROPERTY OR WE KNOW HAVE BEEN. TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY WITH THE FLORIDA LAND TRUST.

I WONDER IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ONES WE CAN TARGET GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY THAT WILL HELP SORT OF INFORM THE

RANKING WITH THAT IN MIND? >> YEAH, I BELIEVE MISS ROBBINS MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS AT THE LAST ONE, BUT I THINK THAT FLORIDA COMMUNITIES TRUST IS A STATE PROGRAM WHICH THIS WOULD HIT A LOT OF MARKS FOR -- AND IT IS DESIGNED TO ACQUIRE LANDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUBLIC ACCESS OF PARKS.

I THINK THAT ONE IS DEFINITELY CONSIDERED.

THE LAND PROTECTION PROGRAM OVER HERE AND THERE ARE A FEW THAT THIS ONE COULD POTENTIALLY FIT. SURE, GO AHEAD.

>> THE FLORIDA COMMUNITIES TRUST PROGRAM.

AND AFTER ACQUISITION. THIS SUN WITH REALLY UNUSUAL COMPARED TO EVERYTHING WE HOOKED AT. BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING LAND USE AND THIS IS INCREDIBLE . . .I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL BE ANY FUNDING OPPORTUNITY FOR MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT COPARTNER WITH THE COUNTY BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE THIS CONTINUED OPERATION THERE OF THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS VND CONSIDERED ANY OF THIS WITH OUR OTHER PROPERTIES AND THIS COULD BE A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION AND CAN BE A WIN-WIN SITUATION FOR ANYBODY INVOLVED.

>> OKAY. SO FOR THIS ONE, RYAN.

IF EVERYBODY IS READY. DO WE WANT TO GO AROUND AND REPORT OUR SCORES? OKAY.

EVERYBODY READY? OKAY.

WE WILL START DOWN AT THE END WITH YOU MR. ADAMS.

>> GAVE THIS PROPERTY -- YOU WANT A RAW SCORE, RYAN.

JUST THE BOTTOM NUMBER? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> OKAY, OKAY. I GAVE THIS ONE A 93.

>> MR. FLOWERS. >> I GAVE IT A 67, WHICH IS HIGH

FOR ME. >> MR. MILLER.

>> 60, WHICH IS ALSO HIGH FOR ME.

>> I AM PRETTY TOUGH AND THIS ONE IS MY HIGHEST EVER, 71.

>> I AM NOW HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES AND I OPEN IT BACK UP. AND I DON'T THINK MY ADJUSTMENTS CAME THROUGH. SO I NEED A COUPLE OF SECONDS,

BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS 77. >> OKAY.

WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU. MISS KAUFMAN?

>> I CAME UP WITH 69. >> I HAVE AN 87.

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>> RYAN, YOU WANT TO COLLECT OUR SHEETS, CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IF WE CAN JUST PASS THEM TO

STAGE LEFT. >> ACTUALLY IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND PASSING IT TO YOUR RIGHT, TO THE STAFF THERE.

>> YES, PLEASE. PUT YOUR NAME AND THE NAME OF

THE PROPERTY ON THE SHEET. >> ARE YOU WAITING -- SORRY, I THOUGHT I SAVED IT AND WHENEVER I OPENED IT BACK UP TO E-MAIL IT, IT WAS NOT ADJUSTED FOR OUR CONVERSATION.

SO I'M GOING BACK -- I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS 77 FOR THE RECORD AND I CAN SUBMIT THAT IN JUST A

MINUTE. >> OKAY.

DID WE GET ANY NUMBERS FROM MISS ROBBINS?

>> I HAVE NOT RECEIVED AN OFFICIAL NUMBER FROM HER.

>> SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 77 NUMBER? OK OKAY.

>> THE AVERAGE SCORE WILL BE 75. >> OKAY.

SO 75 FOR THAT ONE. ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO BEFORE WE

MOVE ON FROM THAT ITEM? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, IT COULD

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BEEN SCORED TODAY. >> YEAH, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND WAIT ON THOSE AND GET THROUGH A REST OF THESE PROPERTIES.

OKAY. WE ARE GOOD WITH NUMBER 5.

WE HAVE A SCORE OF 75 FOR THAT PROPERTY.

MOVING ON TO NUMBER 6. THIS IS 5960 DON MANUE ROAD.

OKAY. SO I WILL TURN THAT OVER TO YOU,

RYAN. >> OKAY.

SO THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT THE LAMP BOARD HAS REVIEWED PREVIOUSLY. IT IS A SECOND REVIEW AND EVALUATION JUST LIKE THE LAST ONE.

SO IF YOU CAN PROVIDE YOUR EVALUATION SHEETS TO THE STAFF LIKE WE DID BEFORE. PARKS AND RECREATION STATED THAT THE PROPERTY DOESN'T PROVIDE RECREATIONAL USE DUE TO NO STREET ACCESS AND THE MAJORITY OF WETLANDS.

SO THAT IS ONE OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM. IT IS ADJACENT TO THE -- TO THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT DEEP CREEK PRESERVATION AREA AS WELL AS THE FLOYD PRESERVATION TRACT OWNED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHICH IS TO THE NORTH. IT IS MOSTLY WET.

THERE ARE -- CURRENTLY NO ROADWAY ACCESS TO IT.

SORT OF AT THE WESTERN END THERE OF DON MANUE ROAD, WHICH IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH.

A AND.

A AND.

>> QUESTION OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS ONE.

OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ONE? THEN IS THE BOARD READY TO SUBMIT THEIR SCORES FOR THIS PROPERTY? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL -- WE WILL DO IT THE SAME AS LAST ONE THEN AND DO IT WITH MR. ADAMS.

>> 70. >> MR. FLOWERS?

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>> I HAVE A SCORE OF 52. IT IS A SMALL PARCEL, BUT SEEMS TO HAVE GREAT NATURAL RESOURCE VALUE AND ADJACENCY TO THE OTHER LANDS MAKE IT HIGHER THAN IT MIGHT HAVE ORDINARILY BEEN.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MILLER? >> 53.

>> I ALSO HAD A SCORE OF 53. I WILL JUST MAKE A COMMENT, THAT THIS ONE IS DEFINITELY SMALL. BUT SOMETIMES THESE SMALLER PARCELS CAN BE A CATALYST FOR ADDITIONAL ADDITIONS TO PROPERTIES IN THESE AREAS. A NUMBER OF PARCELS SURROUNDING SOME OF THESE CONSERVATION AREAS THAT MAY BE INTERESTED IN FOLLOWING SUIT. MR. SMITH?

>> 65. >> I CAME UP WITH 69 AGAIN WITH VERY DIFFERENT SCORES THAN THE LAST ONE, BUT THE SAME TOTAL.

>> MISS LAHIRI. >> I HAD 79.

>> OKAY. WE GIVE RYAN A SECOND TO DO SOME MA MATH.

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>> OKAY, THAT COMES OUT TO 63. JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK TH THAT.

>> THANK YOU, RYAN. WE WILL HOLD ON TO THAT UNTIL WE GET TO FURTHER DOWN THE AGENDA. I THINK WE ARE ALL SET WITH ITEM NUMBER 6. AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL PROPERTY EVALUATION FOR TODAY WHICH IS 8805 A 1A SOUTH.

SO ONE MORE FINAL, RYAN? >> OKAY.

SO A 1A SOUTH, THIS BOARD HAS REVIEWED BEFORE.

THE PREVIOUS MEETING. AND IT IS ALSO A SECOND REVIEW AND EVALUATION, SO, AGAIN, WITH THE EVALUATION SHEETS AND THE SCORING AT THE END AS WE JUST DID.

PARKS AND RECREATION STATED THAT THIS PARCEL PROVIDES DIRECT BEACH ACCESS AND COULD SERVE AS OVERFLOW PARKING FOR FISHING ON ITS MATANZAS BRIDGE. IF PURCHASED, IT CAN BE USED AS BEACH PARTY IF THE COUNTY GAINED ACCESS TO A LOT ACROSS LOCATED TO THE EAST OF THIS PARCEL I IN A1A.

THERE ARE CHALLENGES TO THIS LOCATION TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

THAT ENDS THE STATEMENT FROM THAT DEPARTMENT.

THERE ARE FEMA FLOOD ZONES, AE 7 FOR MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY WITH A SMALL AREA OF VE FLOOD ZONE ON THE NORTHEAST TIP.

PUBLIC ACCESS IS NEEDED IN THE AREA.

JUST GENERALLY, SO PROPERTY COULD PROVIDE PASSIVE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES IN THE VICINITY.

EXISTING PARKING IN PRESIDENT D.O.T. RIGHT-OF-WAY IN THE EAST SIDE OF A1A IS HEAVILY USED FOR BRIDGE FISHING AND ACCESS TO THE WATERWAY. THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR PAVILIONS, EDUCATIONAL SIGNAGE AND WATER ACCESS AS THE BOARD HAS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY. THERE ARE -- THIS IS A REMINDER, THERE ARE PLATTED LOT BOUNDARIES ALONG THE WATERFRONT.

THIS IS SORT OF THE WATERWORKS SIDE OF THE EXISTING RIPRAP EMBANKMENT ON THE AERIAL. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE ARE SOME PLATTED LOTS AND THOSE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE LOT TO THE WEST OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

THAT IS IN PRIVATE OWNERSHIP. SO THERE IS A COUPLE OF UPDATES FROM THE LANDOWNER TO THE WEST BETWEEN THE TWO LAMP MEETINGS.

SO THE STATEMENT FROM THAT OWNER IS THEY NOTED THE 20-FOOT ACCESS EASEMENT ALONG THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AS DEPICTED ON THE SUBMITTED SURVEY, SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.

I BELIEVE THAT IS AN ACCESS EASEMENT TO -- FOR THE PROPERTY'S USE TO THE WEST. AND, AGAIN, THAT IS 20 FEET WIDE. THEY ALSO STATED THAT THEY HAVE SOME SAFETY AND PRIVACY CONCERNS FOR THE PUBLIC POTENTIALLY ACCESSING THE ROCK REVETMENT THAT IS LOCATED AT THE PROPERTY, AS WELL. THEY DID MENTION THAT FORT MATANZAS IS NOT CURRENTLY VISIBLE TO THE PROPERTY AS STATED THROUGH THE APPLICATION. THERE WAS A MENTION THERE THAT

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SO THAT -- THAT'S IT FOR THE SUMMARY UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME QUEST QUESTIONS.

>> QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? NO?

>> RYAN, ANY LISTINGS ON THE STATE OR FEDERAL AGENCIES AS

ACQUISITION PROPERTY AT ALL? >> ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE

CORRIDOR AREAS? >> YES, SIR.

>> LET ME -- LET ME VERIFY THAT REAL QUICK.

YEAH, IT APPEARS IT IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE FLORIDA FOREVER BOARD OF TRUSTEES AREAS. THOSE ARE WEST OF THE INTRACOASTAL WATERWAYS IN THE AREA WHERE THE MATANZAS STATE FOREST KICKS IN. OUTSIDE OF THE FLORIDA FOREVER MAP THERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

COMMENTS? >> I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION.

RYAN, I THINK ON YOUR FIRST SHEET, YOUR PRESENTATION HERE,

$1.6 MILLION, THE ASKING PRICE? >> THE LIST PRICE PROVIDED IN

THE APPLICATION IS $1.3 MILLION. >> $1.3 MILLION? OKAY. THAT IS A BIG NUMBER FOR LESS

THAN A HALF AN ACRE. >> OKAY.

I THINK WE HAVE SPEAKER CARD. >> WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD.

IF I MISPRONOUNCE YOUR NAME I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE TODD RESEKA. IS IT .

>> RESECAR. >> OH, AN R.

RESICAR. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

>> NO WORRIES. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

TODD RESCAR AND I REPRESENT THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST A1A SOUTH.

MY WIFE, JESSICA, AND I HAVE THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST AND SOUTH THERE. MY WIFE'S GRANDPARENTS STARTED THE MATANZAS INLET RESTAURANT ON THAT PROPERTY.

I BELIEVE IT STARTED IN THE 50S AND HER GRANDPARENTS RAN THE RESTAURANT UNTIL THE 70S UNTIL THEY SOLD THAT PORTION.

THIS ESTABLISHMENT IS MADE FANTASTIC MEMORIES FOR -- FOR THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OVER THE LAST 55 YEARS -- 55-PLUS YEARS.

AS RYAN MENTIONED, TWO IMPORTANT NOTES ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.

THE DEDICATED EASEMENT ON THE SOUTHERN 20 FEET OF THE PROPERTY FOR -- IT GIVES US ACCESS FOR LARGE EQUIPMENT INTO THE PROPERTY. 8825 A 1A SOUTH.

ALSO THERE ARE LOTS ON THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY.

MOSTLY SUBMERGED BUT ALSO INCLUDES THE ROCK REVETMENT AREA AND A SMALL PORTION OF THE HIGH GROUND ON TOP OF THE ROCKS.

AND ALSO AS RYAN MENTIONED, IF THE COUNTY WERE TO ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY AND PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE ROCKS WAS ENCOURAGED FOR VIEWING OR FISHING, THIS WOULD BE A POTENTIAL CONFLICT REGARDING PROPERTY BOUNDARIES AND LIABILITY, ETC.

ALSO, IF THERE WAS ANY POTENTIAL FOR BUILDING ANY DOCK STRUCTURE OR BOARD WALKS WITHIN THIS UPPER TOP OF THE ROCK REVETMENT OR INTO THE ROCKS, THAT WILL ALSO COME INTO PLAY.

I ASKED LAMP NOT TO NOT CONSIDER THE IDEA OF ACQUIRING THIS PROPERTY IF IT INTENDS TO USE IT AS A PARKING LOT.

A PARKING LOT HERE WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THE PEACEFUL NATURE OF SUMMER HAVEN ISLAND IN MAJORITY A QUIET RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

ADDITIONAL PARKING WOULD ENCOURAGE MORE BEACH AND BRIDGE CONGESTION WHICH WE FEEL IS AT A MAXIMUM.

MORE PARKING AND BRIDGE CONGESTION LEADS TO MORE TRASH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY AN ISSUE WHICH NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

OUR PARK TENANTS ARE ENDLESSLY PICKING UP TRASH THAT HAS BEEN LEFT ON THE BRIDGE AND ROADWAYS AND ULTIMATELY IN THE INLET AND OFTEN INTO OUR PROPERTY. EVEN THIS MORNING I WAS DRIVING OVER THE BRIDGE AND SAW MULTIPLE DEAD FISH THAT WERE DISCARDED INTO THE SHOULDER OF THE BRIDGE. BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T THE TARGETED SPECIES. SO THAT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE JUST THE TRASH THAT DEVELOPS IN THAT AREA FROM TRAFFIC OF PEOPLE FISHING, PEOPLE ACCESSING THE BEACH.

WITH REGARDS TO THE BEACH ACCESS ON A NORTHERN PORTION OF SUMMER HAVEN OR NEAR THE BASE OF THE BRIDGE, CURRENTLY NO FORMAL BEACH ACCESS TRAILS WHICH VISITORS CAN USE TO GET TO THE BEACH. BEACHGOERS WHO PARK IN THE AREA

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THERE ARE 60 DESIGNATED SPOTS ON THE NORTH END OF THE BRIDGE THAT OFTEN GETS STRESSED. OFTEN OVERFLOW INTO THE SHARED USE PART OF THE ROADWAY ON BUSY DAYS.

THERE IS OFTEN 50 MORE CARS IN ADDITION TO THE 0 CARS THAT ARE CROWDING THE ROADWAYS. IF CAN HAVE JUST A MINUTE TO

MAKE ONE MORE POINT. >> GO A AHEAD AND FINISH YOUR

THOUGHT. >> THANK YOU.

ONE SUGGESTION I WOULD MAKE REGARDING THAT RECORD IF LAMP DETERMINES THAT THE ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT FEASIBLE THAT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY EXPLORES AKWIEFRG THE PROPERTY FOR A JOINT LAW ENFORCEMENT SUBSTATION FOR INCREASED LAW ENFORCEMENT, MARINE RESCUE PRESENCE AND FASTER RESPONSE TIME TO INCIDENTS IN MA TAN ZA WITH THE BRIDGE AND NEARBY BEACHES. THE PARTNERSHIP WITH INVOLVE AGENCIES SUCH AS FWC MARINE PATROL, ST. JOHNS MARINE RESCUE OR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR BETTER LEVERAGING OF FUNDING FOR BETTER RESOURCE PROTECTION. THE SHORELINE HAS A POTENTIAL FOR SMALL BOAT RESPONSE AND THE PROPERTY WILL BE MANNED TO MONITOR ANY EMERGENCIES OR CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES THAT OCCUR IN THE AREA. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO

SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS TOPIC. >> THANK YOU.

MR. SLAVEN. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, ED SLAVEN, EDSLAVEN.COM. I AGREE THIS SHOULD NOT BE A PARKING LOT. WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE BCC AND I THINK EVERYBODY WHO SPOKE AT THAT TIME THOUGHT, NO, NOT A PARKING LOT. IT WILL BE A GREAT PLACE FOR A PICNIC AREA. AND PASSIVE RECREATION, BUT NOT A PARKING LOT. WE ARE ALREADY BLESSED WITH PARKING LOTS IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

WE DON'T NEED FOR THIS TO BE A PARKING LOT.

IT IS AN EXQUISITE LOCATION THERE BY THE BRIDGE, BY THE MATANZAS RIVER. AND IT HAS FAMILY MEMORIES AND PICNIC AREA WRITTEN ALL OVER IT. PLEASE DON'T MUCK IT UP.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THAT IS ALL OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE RANKING?

MISS KAUFMAN. >> YES, THE IDEA OF HAVING A MARINE RESCUE STATION THERE IF IT WAS ACQUIRED UNUNDER THE LAMP PROCESS. DOES THAT PRECLUDE THAT USE THEN? TWO WE BE ABLE TO HAVE IT USED

FOR THAT PURPOSE? >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE OF THE LAMP FOR THAT SPECIFIC USE.

>> RIGHT, SO NOT ONE OF OUR SPECIFIC USES, BUT I AM NOT SO SURE IF THAT MEANS IT CAN NOT BE USED FOR THAT IN ADDITION TO

CONSERVATION LAND. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, SO IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT WILL MEET THE FUNDING -- SO THE FUNDS WERE SPECIFIC FOR PRESERVATION, RECREATION AND CONSERVATION.

IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT WILL NECESSARILY FIT INTO THIS CATE CATEGORY.

>> MR. MILLER? >> YES, I WANTS TO REITERATE WHAT WE SAID LAST TIME AND WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, AND THAT IS IF THIS IS -- IF WE ARE FORTUNATE IF THIS GETS ACQUIRED, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE SITE PLANNING, PARKING AREA.

APPROPRIATE ACCESSES. YOU KNOW THERE ARE ROOM TO PUT CARS IN THERE AND SMALL PARKING AREA SO YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND PICNIC AND HAVE PASSIVE RECREATION, YES, I THINK THAT IS PROP YACHT, BUT THE FISHERMEN START TO USE IT AND WALK ACROSS TO GET ON THE BRIDGE? UNFORTUNATELY, THEY WOULD.

WE WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. BUT I STILL THINK THAT FOUR OR FIVE CARS IS MORE THAN APPROPRIATE.

AND THAT IS NOT STEALLY A PARKING LOT.

>> ALL RIGHT. ARE WE READY FOR RANKING? OKAY. LAST ONE FOR TODAY.

WE WILL START DOWN, MR. ADAMS. >> 37.

>> 23. >> 63.

>> 45. >> 62.

>> 91. >> THE FINAL SCORE WILL BE 57.

[8. LAMP 2023 Properties Recommendation List update]

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>> OKAY. SO WITH THAT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS THE PROPERTIES RECOMMENDATION LIST UPDATE. SO WE HAVE THE CURRENT LIST WHICH I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE CAN PULL THAT UP.

>> MAY I ASK A QUESTION? >> SURE.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE DO A RANKING EACH YEAR.

I THINK WE DID IT IN JANUARY LAST YEAR.

IS THAT RIGHT? AND -- SO FOR A RERANKING, WE CAN THEORETICALLY DITCH ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE ON THE LIST LAST YEAR. CERTAINLY BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD TODAY, THOSE THAT SCORED LOWER THAN 50 BOO NECESSARILY BE DITCHED. WE PROVIDE A TOP FIVE RANKING -- SO THAT MEANS THERE IS AT POTENTIAL FOR THREE MORE SPACES TH THERE.

IF I AM CORRECT AND WHAT I HAVE SAID UP TO THIS POINT, UNLESS WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE AGAIN IN JANUARY.

SO I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND -- WHEN WE -- WHEN WE CONSIDER THE EXISTING LIST AND DETERMINE IF WE ARE GOING TO ADD ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES, THE ONES THAT WE RANKED TODAY, IS THAT OUR LIST? IS THAT OUR LIST OF FIVE FOR THE YE

YEAR? >> YES.

SO IF WE VOTE BY SUPERMAJORITY FOR THE TOP FIVE, THAT BOO BE THE LIST THAT GOES TO THE COMMISSION IN JANUARY FOR THE

YEAR. >> OKAY.

>> YES. >> SO IF I MAY ASK ONE MORE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, THEN THE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE MOVING TO THE NEXT STAGE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TODAY, THOSE WILL BE POTENTIALLY ON THE LIST NEXT YEAR? OK OKAY.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT IS -- THAT IS A CHALLENGE WITH -- WITH THE SCHEDULE.

SOME OF THESE PROPERTIED WILL BE ON A LIST FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE

THEY GET ON A RANKING LIST. >> THROUGH THE CLEAR IF I COULD.

I WANT TO GO BACK AND READ YOU THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT.

THE LAMP CONSERVATION BOARD SHOULD CHOOSE BY SUPERMAJORITY THE TOP FIVE CANDIDATES FOR ACQUISITION AND CONSERVATION AND RANK IT AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR TO THE COUNTY.

PROJECTS THAT WAS CHOSEN IN PREVIOUS ROUNDS, PREVIOUS YEARS SHOULD REMAIN ON THE LIST UNTIL ACQUIRED, UNTIL THE SLINKS RANK IS UNCHANGE $OR AUNAVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE.

>> IF I MAY ASK ONE MORE QUESTION.

WHAT I HEAR THEN, WE CAN TAKE ALL OF THESE OFF AND REPLACE THEM WITH OTHERS, INCLUDING THE ONES THAT SCORED ABOVE 50?

>> C CORRECT. I BELIEVE THAT WILL FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF "SELECTION RANK HAVE CHANGED."

>> YES, AND THIS LIST, I THINK, TWO OF THE PROPERTIES HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN RECOMMENDED FOR REMOVAL BECAUSE THEY ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE. THAT'S CORRECT, RYAN?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> SO WE HAVE THE FIRST COAST ENERGY ON STATE ROAD 13 NORTH. I BELIEVE THE SPECIFIC ADDRESS IS STATE ROAD 13 NORTH. NOT A WILLING SELLER AND THAT WILL COME OFF THE LIST. AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE ON STATE ROAD 206. AND ONE BELOW THAT ONE.

THAT ALSO IS NO LONGER. SO THAT WILL ALSO COME OFF THE

LIST. >> OKAY.

DO WE HAVE THE LIST? IT WAS A NEW LIST THAT JUST SHOWED THOSE FOUR PROPERTIES AFRPDZ WHICH ONES WERE ABOVE 50? THERE WE GO. THESE ARE THE FOUR WITH THE THE TWO YOU JUST MENTIONED REMOVED. AND THE PROPERTIES IN BLUE ARE ABOVE 50 POINTS. SO THOSE WILL MEET THE THRESHOLDS. OK

OKAY. >> MADAM CHAIRMAN, ONE MORE QUESTION. DO WE NEED A FORMAL MOTION FOR

THE SUB 50 PARCELS? >> WITH THE TOP FIVE AND THEN ON YOUR LIST, THEY WILL DROP TO THE BOT

BOTTOM. >> IF I DID AND IF YOU SAID, I

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YET, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

WE DON'T HAVE ACQUISITION AND NEARING THAT.

IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS -- IF YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THE FULL LIST AND THREE PROPERTIES ON THIS LIST ARE.

ONE OF THEM IN NEGOTIATION PHASE.

IF WE GO DOWN THE LIST, COUNTY ROAD 13, MCCULLOUGH CREEK.

THAT ONE IS IN NEGOTIATIONS OF REAL ESTATE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWN IRAND REAL ESTATE. THEY HAVEN'T AGREED TO A PRICE YET. AND IT IS SORT OF OUT THERE.

AND NUMBER TWO, COUNTY ROAD 13 NRTH, PICALOTA FOREST.

WILL REMAIN ON THE LIST IF YOU SO CHOOSE.

IT IS STILL THERE AND OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T BEEN ACQUIRED DUE TO THE PRICE. ANASTASIA LAKES, NUMBER THREE, THAT IS THE ONE THAT IS CLOSEST TO ACQUISITION AND HAS GONE THROUGH THE INSPECTION PERIOD AND WRAPPING UP IT BASED ON UPDATES TO SURVEY. AND COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH, THAT IS NUMBER FOUR. THE RAINDALE TRACT THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT IS STILL IN THE INSPECTION PERIOD.

A PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT HAS BEEN ORDERED FOR THAT PROPERTY. NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER SIX ARE THE ONES WE JUST DISCUSSED TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE THEY ARE NO

LONGER WILLING SELLERS. >> OKAY.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. I APOLOGIZE.

IF WE RANK BY SCORES. TWO OF THE PARCELS WILL RANK NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO A 1A SOUTH WILL DISPLACE THE TOP TWO ON THE RANKINGS LIST. I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT COMFORTS WITH THE PROJECTS ON NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO.

>> ANOTHER ONE THAT WE RANKED AS WELL, THE POPERI ROAD.

>> I WAS ABOUT TO MENTION THAT AS THE DISCUSSION CONTINUES.

>> DO YOU -- WHAT WAS THE SCORE FOR THAT ONE SO WE --

>> AND SO THE -- THE SCORE FOR THE POPULY ROAD ONE.

I BELIEVE -- PULL IT UP REAL QUICK.

-- THAT WAS 50. >> MADAM CHAIR --

>> THAT WAS RANKED AT THE OCTOBER MEETING.

>> THERE WAS A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ABSENT AT THAT MEETING AS WELL.

>> I HAVE A COMMENT, AND WAYNE, I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. THE ONES WE DID TODAY.

THE SCORING WE ARE DOING TODAY IS BEING PROCESSED NEXT YEAR.

>> WE ARE PROVIDING A LIST. >> YEAH, THESE ARE THE ONES WE PROCESSED IN 2022 WHEN WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE, RYAN, CORRECT? BY THE PROCESSES THAT YOU JUST OUTLINED. THE ONES WE DID TODAY, THEY WILL NOT BUMP THIS LIST. IF I AM UNDERSTANDING THIS QUES QUESTION.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR AND TO THE BOARD MEMBER ADAMS, THEY COULD.

THE SELECTION RANK CAN CHANGE. SO YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO SUBMIT A LIST. AND AS THE LANGUAGE LIST.

AND PROPERTIES REMAIN ON THE LIST UNTIL ACQUIRED OR SELECTION RANK HAS CHANGED. IF YOU HAVE NEW PROPERTIES THAT COME IN THAT ALTER THAT LIST AND BUMP THEM DOWN TO THE BOTTOM, THEY CAN'T GET DOWN. THE ONLY THING I CAUSED IS UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT CLEARLY WILL NEED TO ASTERISK THOSE AND WE CAN NOT INTERRUPT THIS PROCESS.

IF WE HAVE LIST THAT COME IN AT HIGHER SCORES AND MORE VALUED -- ENVIRONMENTALLY VALUED PROPERTY OR WORTHY, THEN THAT LIST CAN BE ALTERED. THAT IS THE PROCESS EVERY YEAR.

SO YOU TRY TO HAVE YOUR BEST FIVE PROPERTIES ALWAYS REMAIN ON THAT LIST. IF THAT MEANS DISPLACING ANOTHER PROPERTY, THAT CAN OCCUR. THE ONLY ONES I CAUTION ABOUT WE DO HAVE TWO OR THREE PROPERTIES I BELIEVE UNDER CONTRACT OR AT LEAST A PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT. WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD. AND SO THOSE WILL COME OFF THE

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. >> THE BOARD MAY LOOK AT THIS AND SAY YOU CAN PRY FOR ADVERTISE BECAUSE OF OTHERS . LET'S --IF WE ARE UNDER CONTRACT LET'S STOP PURSUING OTHER PROPERTIES BECAUSE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THIS ONE. THAT IS ALWAYS AT PLAY , I WOULD ASSUME.

>> DEPENDENT UPON WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS , THAT COULD BE THE CASE.

>> BASED ON OUR NEW GUIDANCE , 50 POINTS IS NOW THE THRESHOLD THAT THE COMMISSION

AUTHORIZED. >> OFFER LAST YEAR AND MAYBE THE YEAR BEFORE , WE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT WE PROVIDE A RANKING THAT DECIDES WHAT THEY WILL BUY. SO, AGAIN BASED ON OUR SCORES THESE TWO ARE STILL ON THAT LIST AT ONE AND TWO OR THREE AND FIVE, OR WHATEVER.

THE COMMISSION STILL HAS FLEXIBILITY TO CONTINUE THE PROCESS IRRESPECTIVE --

PRESUMABLY, RESPECTIVE IS WHERE THEY ARE. >> BRIAN , I WROTE THEM DOWN BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WROTE THEM DOWN PROPERLY. WILL GIVE US THE MEAN SCORES AGAIN?

>> YES , 5960 DON MANUAL WROTE IS 63. 8805 A 1 A SOUTH IS 57 . AND, BISHOP ESTATES ROAD IS

75. THANK YOU. >> OKAY . IF WE WENT STRICTLY BY SCORES WE WOULD HAVE BISHOP ESTATES AT THE TOP, NUMBER ONE FOLLOWED BY DON MANWELL AND COUNTY ROAD 13 , THEN 8805 A 1 A SOUTH. AND COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH OKAY. LOOKING AT THAT LIST DOES ANYONE WANT TO RECOMMEND A DIFFERENT ORDER?

>> CAN I ASK ANOTHER CLARIFYING QUESTION? WE ARE COMING UP AGAINST ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE. SO, GRACE ABOUNDS. A QUESTION WITH THE HAWKINS ISLAND OR THE SHORES PROPERTY , KNOWING THAT THEY HAVE BEEN PRESENTED IN THE FIRST ROUND , IS IT VALUABLE FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS TO KNOW THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR THOSE PROPERTIES, AS WELL? I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO INCLUDE THAT . I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN INCLUDE IT IN A RECOMMENDATION , BUT CERTAINLY TO EDUCATE THEM THAT THOSE ARE POSSIBILITIES AS THEY CONSIDER PURSUING THESE OTHER PROPERTIES , KNOWING THAT WE WILL ADDRESS

THAT IN THE FEBRUARY MEETING. >> I THINK THE BOARD FELT STRONGLY ABOUT THOSE TWO BEING ON THIS LIST. WE COULD POTENTIALLY DELAY THE RANKING UNTIL AFTER THE FEBRUARY

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>> WHAT WAS THE QUESTION, I AM SORRY. >> IF WE WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER OUR FEBRUARY MEETING TO POTENTIALLY CONSIDER THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT WE REVIEWED TODAY , IF WE COULD THEN SUBMIT THE LIST TO THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS IN

MARCH? >> WE CAN CERTAINLY DELAY UNTIL MARCH. THAT IS WHEN WE PRESENTED THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS THIS YEAR. WE HAD SET ASIDE FOR JANUARY , BUT IF IT IS THE BOARD'S DECISION TO DELAY IT UNTIL FEBRUARY, WE CAN DO THAT, TOO.

>> I WOULD MOVE THAT WE DELEY --DELAY SUBMISSION OF THE RANKING OF THIS LIST UNTIL WE

GET INFORMATION ON THOSE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES. >> I SECOND THAT MOTION.

>> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A SECOND FROM MR. MILLER. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. RYAN, DID WE GET CLEAR DIETS THAT ANYTHING UNDER 50 , THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE ON THE LIST? IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETING HERE?

>> THE 50 NUMBER CAME FROM STAFF AND THAT WAS BASED ON THE ANALYSIS WE DID OF THE LIST

AS WE TRY TO ESTABLISH THE THRESHOLD. >> OKAY. SO, I GUESS AS A BOARD WE ARE DECIDING THAT WE WANT TO SHOW EVERYTHING WE HAVE LOOKED AT SO THEY CAN SEE OUR LIST , AS YOU WERE SAYING. I AM TRYING TO STREAMLINE OUR PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAVE CLEAR GUIDANCE THAT ANYTHING BELOW 50 , THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN. WHY PUT IT ON THE LIST?

>> I THINK WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE 50 OR ABOVE AND THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR THE TWO PROPERTIES WE REVIEWED TODAY TO GO ABOVE 50. I THINK THE CONSIDERATION WAS FOR THOSE SPECIFIC PROPERTIES , TO INCLUDE THOSE IN OUR LIST.

>> SO, THOSE RYAN'S --AVERAGES YOU FIGURED OUT ON OUR SCORES TODAY ON THE THREE PROPERTIES,

ARE ANY OF THOSE UNDER 50? >> THEY ARE ALL OVER 50. >> OKAY. THAT SUPPORTS WHAT

YOU ARE SAYING THEN. OKAY. I AM SATISFIED. THANK YOU. >> JUST TO CLARIFY , WHEN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THE UNDERSTANDING IS IT IS FIVE PROPERTIES, BUT WE WILL BE

ANALYZING THE LIST IN ORDER TO PRESENT THOSE FIVE. >> OKAY, YOU ARE GOING TO KILL ME BUT, IN FEBRUARY SINCE WE HAVE NEW BOARD MEMBERS , WHICH I WOULD BET IF WE WERE RANKING --IT DOESN'T MATTER, ANY OF THESE ON THAT LIST THEY WILL RANK DIFFERENTLY , CONSIDERABLY DIFFERENTLY, PERHAPS. SO, IN OTHER WORDS IF WE ARE-- WE CAN RANK REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE RANKING SCORE IS , BUT I AM JUST SAYING THAT IF WE WERE RANKING ANY OF THESE TODAY , THE FOUR THAT ARE ON HERE THEY WOULD SCORE VERY DIFFERENTLY . SO, IS IT SMART , AND IT CERTAINLY IS MATHEMATICALLY TO RE-RANK ALL OF THOSE?

>> I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. >> MR. MILLER , THROUGH THE CHAIR BY FEBRUARY WE SHOULD HAVE SEATED A NEW ONE. TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY PROVIDE THE EVALUATIONS AT THAT TIME WHEN THEY ARE APPOINTED WE WILL CERTAINLY GET THEM INTO THE ROTATION. THE SCORES ARE BASED OFF OF THOSE PEOPLE RANKING. IF SOMEONE IS NOT HERE TO RANK

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REEVALUATING. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU.

>> WE CERTAINLY SHOULD USE OUR EVALUATION AS A BASIS TO RANK THEM DIFFERENTLY.

>> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY COMMENT. WE COULD ADJUST IN DISCUSSION BEFORE WE SEND OUR

RECOMMENDATION. >> CORRECT. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ? DO WE HAVE A

MOTION AND A SECOND? >> THE VOTE IS TO MOVE OUR OFFICIAL 2023 RANKING TO THE LAMP BOARD MEETING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY , AYE. ALL THOSE NOT IN FAVOR, SAY ,

[Staff Reports]

>> OKAY. THIS IS JUST A BRIEF REITERATION OF THE CURRENT BUDGET . IT IS SOMEWHERE AROUND $3.5 MILLION . AGAIN , THIS IS JUST A NOTIFICATION THAT THAT IS WHERE WE ARE.

RIVERDALE ATLANTIC ROAD, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A COUPLE TIMES ALREADY. IT IS CURRENTLY IN ITS INSPECTION PERIOD. THERE WAS A DELAY IN THE ACQUISITION PROCESS DURING THEIR NOVEMBER 21ST MEETING AND THEY VOTED TO EXTEND THE CURRENT SALE AGREEMENT AND CONTINUE WITH PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT . IT HAS BEEN ORDERED AND IS UNDERWAY. THE ANASTASIA LAKES PROPERTY IS STILL IN THE INSPECTION PERIOD IN THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT AND THAT IS NEARING ACQUISITION. COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH PROPERTY IS STILL IN NEGOTIATIONS . A QUICK FOLLOW-UP FROM THE OCTOBER 10TH MEETING , STAFF SENT THE 70-70

[Board Member Reports]

APPARENTLY, THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THAT. THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF REPORTS.

>> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO TO BOARD REPORTS . DO WE HAVE ANYTHING?

>> I GUESS I HEARD MILD CRITICISM IN THE FACT THAT SOME OF THE PROPERTIES SCORED UNDER 50. WE WERE REQUIRED TO RANK THE TOP FIVE. A COUPLE OF THOSE PROPERTIES WERE PROBABLY A RESULT OF PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN DISPLACED IN THE RANKING. PERHAPS , THIS WOULD NEED TO BE AMENDED . LET'S JUST SAY THAT WE DID THE BEST WE COULD WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS WE HAD. WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT IT, AS I RECALL WHETHER WE NEED TO HAVE A SCORE FOR A PROPERTY TO BE ON THE LIST.

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TO CONSIDER ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS. >> THAT IS CORRECT, BUT I DO THINK IN MOST INSTANCES WE KNOW THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE BEING DISCLOSED.

>> I DO WANT TO SAY TO THIS SPORT --BOARD YOU VOTED TO GREAT GROUP OF FOLKS ON THIS BOARD. WE HAVE A GREAT STAFF AND I REALLY APPRECIATE HAVING THIS OPPORTUNITY.

STAFF ARE PUTTING SO MUCH TIME AND ENERGY INTO THIS MATERIAL FOR US IN PREPARATION FOR THESE MEETINGS.

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