Dec 07, 2023 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order.]

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>> ARE Y'ALL READY? I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. IT IS 1:30.

IF EVERYBODY WOULD PLEASE STAND SO WE CAN SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

MR. P AIR, WILL YOU PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT? >> THIS IS A PROPER NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW PER PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCIES OF JURISDICTION AND GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER OUR COMMON AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING.ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MAY DO SO BY FILLING OUT A SIGN IN SHEET AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING AND EACH ITEM FOR A LENGTH OF TIME IS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRPERSON, WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. THE SPEAKER SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND THEN STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED THE AGENCY DETERMINING WEIGHT AND TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY.

IF THE PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE THROUGH THE MATTER CONSIDER THE HEARING SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS AND NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS ARE MADE, WHICH THE RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE CLERK FOR INCLUSION INTO THE RECORD.

THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCY COMMITTEE OR THE COUNTY IN REVIEW OF APPEAL LEADING TO THEM. AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE ANY ITEM IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE OF THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY. FOR SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD IDENTIFY PERSONS INVOLVED IN THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF COMMUNICATION.

CIVILITY CLOSE. YOU WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN YOU DISAGREE.

YOU WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES AND WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

>> THANK YOU. OKAY, BEFORE WE GO THE PUBLIC COMMENT ÃÃTHE AGENCY HAS THESE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE PTA MEETING ON 720 OF 23 AND 83 B.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION?

[1. Consultant Briefing on the County's Comprehensive Plan Update.]

>> SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S DO A VOICE OUT. PUBLIC COMMENT.

THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.

YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE HEAR EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO THOSE ITEMS. BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT NOW IT'S BECOME SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN THE AGENDA. FEEL FREE TO COME UP.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO ITEM NUMBER ONE THEN.

MR. DOROTHY? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM TERESA BISHOP.

NOT MIKE ROBISON. I'M THE PLANNING MANAGER FOR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND I AM PLEASED TO PRESENT MR. CHRIS DAVID WITH US TODAY. HE'S OUR CONSULTANT AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ASKED US TO HIRE ON OUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN UPDATE.

THE CONFERENCE AND PLAN UPDATE HAS KICKED OFF. THERE'S A WEBSITE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT CHRIS WILL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND CHRIS IS A PRINCIPAL WITH INSPIRED PLACE MAKING COLLECTIVE AND THEY ARE OUR CHOSEN CONSULTANT AND WITH THAT

I'M GOING TO LET HIM SPEAK. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US THIS AFTERNOON. THIS IS ÃÃI DO HAVE A PRESENTATION.

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THIS IS A KICK OFF WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. WE ALREADY KICKED IT OFF WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS WELL AS THE PONTEVEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD. SO WE ARE HERE KICKING IT OFF WITH YOU ALL.

WE HAVE A SERIES OF MEETINGS WHERE WE ARE MEETING WITH EACH ONE OF YOU THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. OF THIS PROCESS. I WILL TOUCH ON THAT.

THIS IS REALLY EXCITING ÃÃ WE'RE ON THE PRESIDENT HERE OF KICKING A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PORTION OF THE PROJECT. SO WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS AND IN PUBLIC FORM SO FOLKS CAN START TO HEAR THE BUZZ OF WHAT WE HAVE IN STORE FOR THIS YEAR.

I WILL TOUCH ON OUR PROJECT TEAM AND GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE HOPES YOU WILL SEE HERE IN THE UPCOMING MEETINGS. WHY WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PLAN UPDATE PROCESS? TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE PROJECT TIMELINE LOOKS LIKE. GIVE YOU A LITTLE IDEA OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR. AND AGAIN ÃÃIF YOU'VE HEARD THE PRESENTATION ALREADY ÃÃ THIS IS ALL KIND OF A REPEAT. BUT AGAIN, WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY HEAR FROM US.

AND THEN KIND OF OUR IMMEDIATE NEXT STEPS JUMPING OFF FROM TODAY.

SO AS YOU ALL KNOW ÃÃMIKE WILL BE THE LEAD CONTACT FOR THE COUNTY WITH TERESA ASSISTING ON THE ALL OF THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE PROJECT. I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER.

NICK HILL WILL BE THE ASSISTANT PROJECT MANAGER AND YOU WILL BE SEEING BOTH HE AND I A LOT.

ERIC RED WILL BE LEADING THE CHARGE ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT NT AND ÃÃ I WILL TOUCH ON HERE JUST A MOMENT. BUT THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT TASK AS PART OF THIS PROJECT AND THEN PATTAYA SKI, WHO IS ALSO THE SYMBOL OF THE FIRM.

SHE'S GOING TO BE THE SENIOR ADVISOR FOR OUR PLANNERS. YOU KNOW WHAT THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN IS. I'M NOT GOING TO REHASH HAT. BUT THE IMPORTANT PART ABOUT THIS SLIDE IS THAT THIS IS THE TIME TO BRING THE COMP PLAN BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

LET'S LOOK AT WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE AND LET'S DEVELOP THAT VISION SO THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT THAT VISION IN YOUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN WHEN WE GO THROUGH THAT UPDATE PROCESS.

YOU KNOW IT'S MADE UP OF A SERIES OF ELEMENTS.AND USE YOU PROBABLY SEE A LOT OF THE LAND-USE ELEMENTS THROUGH YOUR TIME HERE ON THE BOARD. AGAIN ÃÃAS I MENTIONED, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE PULLING THAT OUT. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A NEW ELEMENT THAT'S CURRENTLY IN YOUR LAND-USE ELEMENT. WE ARE GOING TO CREATE A NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT EMPHASIS HERE IN THE COUNTY. SO WHY? I KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT. WHY WE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS UPDATE PROCESS.

EVERY SEVEN YEARS AS PART OF THE EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL PROCESS ÃÃWE ARE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO LOOK AT THE PLAN. GENERALLY THROUGH THAT PROCESS YOU ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE CHANGES IN STATUTES. WE'VE HAD A SERIES OF STATUTE CHANGES RECENTLY THAT KIND OF IMPACT THAT PROCESS NOW. BUT REALLY,WE WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

THIS PLAN HAS KIND OF YOU KNOW ÃÃTHE MESSAGES OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN BACK IN THE LATE 80S AND EARLY 90S. SO IT'S STILL KIND OF IN THAT SAME MODE AND MODEL.

AND A LOT HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN. NOT JUST IN THE CHARACTER OF THE COUNTY AND GROWTH OF THE COUNTY. BUT ALSO WITH KIND OF THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT WITH DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS. THIS SLIDE IS THE ÃÃTHE COLORS GOT A LITTLE CHANGED HERE. YOU CANNOT SEE OUR DATES, BUT WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH A QUICK CLEANUP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.HICH IS KNOWN AS THEY HEAR BASED AMENDMENTS. YOU'RE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO DO THE EVALUATION OF APPOINTMENT PROCESS, NOW THEY JUST REQUIRE A LETTER INDICATING WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GOING TO UPDATE THE PLAN. BUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS DO THE QUICK CLEANUP TO ADDRESS THE STATE STATUTES TO ALLOW US SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE IF WE ENGAGE IN THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS ÃÃWE ONLY HAVE 12 MONTHS TO DO THE COMP PLAN.

AND SO THIS IS GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME BREATHING ROOM TO ACTUALLY DO VISIONING TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND GIVE US THAT TIME AND FLEXIBILITY. SO THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

THAT'S KIND OF THE INITIAL TASK. THEN WE JUMP INTO DATA

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BUT NOT ONE THAT WE SHOW OFF VERY OFTEN. BUT WE WILL BE TOUCHING ON THAT THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. E WILL BE GIVING SOME HIGHLIGHTS WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT WE'VE LEARNED. OF COURSE DATA ANALYSIS IS THE SUPPORT FOR THE COURSE OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES. PSO ÃÃWE WILL BE USING THAT AS WELL AS THE VISION THAT IS DEVELOPED THROUGH THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS TO UPDATE THE GOALS OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES. SO KIND OF THE BIG THREE TASKS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. SO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS SET UP IN A SERIES OF THREE DIFFERENT ENGAGEMENTS. SO WE START WITH WHERE ARE WE NOW? KIND OF LOOKING AT THE TRENDS. WHERE WE WANT TO GO. SO AS WE START TO DEVELOP THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS AND PRIORITIES OF THE COMMUNITY. START TO ESTABLISH THAT VISION AND THEN THAT THIRD SERIES IS HOW DO WE GET THERE? SO THAT'S WHEN WE REALLY GET INTO STRATEGY DEVELOPMENT. AND WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT ENGAGEMENTS AS YOU SEE UNDERNEATH. EACH ONE OF THOSE HEADINGS AS PART OF THE SERIES.

SO KEEP IN MY OUT. WE HAVE OUR PROJECT WEBSITE ÃÃ WHICH IS UP, IT'S LIVE, WE ARE RECEIVING COMMENTS. WE'VE ALREADY HAD A SERIES OF SURVEYS TAKEN.

AND FOLKS DROPPING COMMENTS IN OUR IDEA WALL WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

WE BECAUSE FOLKS CAN SEE OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE TALKING PABOUT.

THEY CAN RESPOND TO THOSE COMMENTS. THEY CAN THUMBS UP THE COMMENTS, WHICH IS AGAIN, REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PRIORITIES AND ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE FOLKS UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS WHERE THEY WILL GET UPDATE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING. I'LL BE SETTING UP A SERIES OF EVENTS. SO AS SOON AS OUR TOWN HALLS AND WE GET THE VENUES LOCKED-IN AND THOSE DATES ÃÃTHIS IS THE COMMUNICATION WE WILL BE USING. WE HAVE A SERIES OF COLLATERAL WE WILL BE RELEASING HERE VERY SOON. WE WILL HAVE BUSINESS CARDS FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE TWO HAND OUT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE A QR CODE FOR THE WEBSITE AND THE URL. WE WILL HAVE A KIOSK AT EACH ONE OF THE LIBRARIES AS WELL AS THE PERMITTING FACILITY AND UTILITIES FACILITY WHERE FOLKS CAN GET HARDCOPY MATERIALS ÃÃ THERE WILL BE A SURVEY THERE AS WELL. IF FOLKS DON'T HAVE MAY BE ACCESS TO A COMPUTER OR YOU KNOW ÃÃJUST NEED KIND OF THE HARD COPY RATHER THAN UTILIZING THE WEBSITE WE HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL. OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A LOT IN STORE. WE ARE HERE AT THE PZA ÃÃWE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND KIND OF THE INITIAL STAGE BECAUSE WE HAVE LISTENING SESSIONS THAT WE ARE GETTING READY TO SCHEDULE AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS AS I MENTIONED LOCKING DOWN VENUES AND DATES FOR THE TOWN HALLS AND THOSE WILL OCCUR IN EACH ONE OF THE COMMISSIONER DISTRICTS. SO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THOSE. WE WILL HAVE A SERIES OF ACTIVITIES FOR FOLKS TO ENGAGE IN.T'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE PERIOD'S OF PRESENTATIONS AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. WE'RE GONNA HAVE ACTIVITIES FOR FOLKS TO ENGAGE IN PROCESS.

OKAY. SO WHAT HAVE WE HEARD?HAT WE HEARD AT THE PONTEVEDRA ZONING ADJUSTMENT BOARD TRAFFIC CONGESTION IS AN ISSUE. TRAFFIC CONNECTIVITY.

PARDON ME, TRANSPORTATION CONNECTIVITY. PARKS AND RECREATION.

SO WHETHER IT BE ACTIVE RECREATION AT DIFFERENT FACILITIES.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE KNOW THAT THE RURAL CUFF VILLAGE IS GOING THROUGH TRANSITIONAL PERIOD. THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT AND THAT'S PART OF THE STORY.

PARTICULARLY FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY OF THE COUNTY.

ALSO WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU KNOW ÃÃTHE PLANT NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER PLANNING ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE COUNTY. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALIGNING THESE WITH THE GOALS OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS PLAN.

OKAY. SO VERY NEXT STEPS WILL BE WORKING ON YOUR BASED AMENDMENTS. YOU WILL BE SEEING THOSE IN YOUR NEAR FUTURE.

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SO ALL THIS IS HAPPENING PRETTY QUICKLY AND VERY SOON. AND THAT IS IT.

THAT IS MY PRESENTATION.NY QUESTIONS? >> MISS SPIEGEL?

MISS SPIEGEL, GO AHEAD. >> HELLO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING AND WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. I KNOW I'VE BEEN KIND OF CHOMPING AT THE BIT FOR THIS AMENDMENT FOR A LONG TIME. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. REGARDING YOU SAID FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE DONE THIS FOR OTHER COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES MA'AM. >> CAN YOU GIVE US A COUPLE OF THOSE COUNTIES SO WE CAN HAVE A

LOOK AT THEM? >> SURE, SURE. PASCOE COUNTY.

PASCOE COUNTY, SUMTER COUNTY. WE ARE WORKING WITH FLAGLER COUNTY RIGHT NOW.

MY GOSH. A NUMBER OF CITIES.

[LAUGHTER] >> NO WORRIES. THAT'S A GOOD START.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT ONE THING THAT I DID NOTICE AND IT MIGHT JUST BE KIND OF A SUB TOPIC IS NOTIFICATION OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE IN PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING UP AND NOTIFICATION PROCESS RIGHT NOW INCLUDES THE SAINT AUGUSTINE RECORD, WHICH IS FINE I'M SURE. I'M SURE IT'S A LOVELY NEWSPAPER ÃÃBUT IT'S KIND OF OBSOLETE AT THIS POINT. AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T GET THE NEWSPAPER AND READ IT AND IT'S ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS IS THAT PEOPLE JUST AREN'T HANDING OUT ABOUT THINGS. DOES THAT GIVE YOU A COMPONENT OF THIS OR IS THIS SOMETHING

THAT WILL GENERICALLY POP UP IN CONVERSATION? >> ABSOLUTELY.

SO WE ARE WORKING WITH PUBLIC AFFAIRS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE UTILIZING THE AVENUES THAT THE COUNTY CURRENTLY USES, BUT ALSO WE WILL BE UTILIZING SOCIAL MEDIA AND ALL THE DIFFERENT SOCIAL MEDIAS THAT THE COUNTY UTILIZES IN MAKING SURE THAT FOLKS KNOW THAT WHEN WE SEND OUT THESE MESSAGES THEY ARE BRANDED FOR THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN UPDATE.

SO THEY WILL KNOW THAT THIS IS THE PROJECT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

AND WE WILL BE SENDING OUT PRESS RELEASES AND WE WILL HAVE HARD COPY NOTICES FOR YOU KNOW ÃÃWHEN WE HAVE TOWN HALLS AND YOU KNOW ÃÃWE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO CAMPUS EACH ONE OF

THESE AREAS AS WE GET READY FOR THE ENGAGEMENTS. >> GOOD.

REGARDING THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS ÃÃARE YOU INTENDING ON ONLY ONE TOWN HALL PER DISTRICT? IS THAT WHAT I'M SAYING HERE? WAX THAT IS CORRECT.

>> IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE MAYBE TWO. WHATEVER.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A THING THAT'S POSSIBLE ÃÃBUT PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT A LOT OF THIS. IN HEARING ABOUT AND SHOWING UP AT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT JUST BE AN EDUCATING PROCESS FOR PEOPLE TO THEN GO OUT AND TELL THE NEIGHBORS.

I THINK YOU MIGHT GET MORE INPUT I DON'T KNOW.HAT'S JUST ME BEING WISHFUL THINKING I SUPPOSE. [LAUGHTER] I DON'T KNOW THAT'S A POSSIBILITY TO ENTERTAIN THE THOUGHT OF EVEN IF IT'S NOT PER DISTRICT.

JUST SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME TOGETHER AFTER THEY'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLE TALK, MULL IT OVER IN THEIR MINDS AND LOOK AROUND THE COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH ABOUT HOW THIS COMMUNITY IS DEVELOPING THAT PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW AND WE ASSUME THAT PWE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING AND THEN WHEN WE HEAR ALL THIS STUFF, THAT CHANGES MY OPINION ON THINGS. I REALLY JUST THINK IT'S

IMPORTANT. >> SURE. IN A WAY THAT THE ENGAGEMENTS ARE STRUCTURED IS THAT THEY ARE ALWAYS COUNTYWIDE. SO EVERYBODY IS INVITED.

NOT JUST THE FOLKS FROM THAT SPECIFIC DISTRICT. WE WILL NOT BE DOING DISTRICT SPECIFIC ITEMS. BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT FOLKS ARE GOING TO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT ARE AFFECTING THEIR DISTRICT. BUT WE OPEN UP COUNTYWIDE.O.

>> GOOD. THAT'S GOOD. AND HOW DOES THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ÃÃTHIS MIGHT BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR YOU. I DON'T KNOW.N FACT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE? HOW DOES ÃÃWHAT CHANGES IN THE COMP PLAN AND TRICKLE DOWN

INTO CHANGES IN THE ÃÃTHAT WE WANT TO OVERCOME. >> ABSOLUTELY.

IF WE MAKE CHANGES TO FUTURE LAND-USE CATEGORIES THAT MAY IMPACT ZONING DISTRICTS THEN YES.THERE WILL BE AN IMPACT ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. FLORIDA STATUTES REQUIRES THAT WHEN YOU UPDATE YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITHIN 12 MONTHS YOU NEED TO UPDATE YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. SO WE ADVISE OUR CLIENTS TO DO THAT.

THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS TASK RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE NOT FRANKLY TALKED ABOUT THAT JUST YET. WE HAVE A LOT AHEAD OF US IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THOUGH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> TERESA BISHOP HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> THANK YOU. I JUST STOOD UP BECAUSE OF THE QUESTION ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE ARE REQUIRED TO UPDATE AND THE COMP PLAN WILL TAKE PRECEDENT OVER ZONING AND ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE WE WILL MAKE THOSE AS YOU HEARD CHRIS SAY. BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS

THAT WE WILL HAVE TO GET INTO AT A LATER TIME. >> CHRIS ÃÃI DID LOOK AT YOUR WEBSITE. BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE EXPERTISE OF YOUR FIRM AND STAFF THERE AND I CANNOT REALLY FIND THAT MUCH ABOUT EACH STAFF MEMBER.

BUT IN TERMS OF COMP PLAN REVISIONS THAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE ÃÃI KNOW YOU DID SUMTER COUNTY AND YOU'VE COMPLETED THAT. DID YOU ALSO DO COMP PLAN REVISIONS FOR SEMINAL AND OSCEOLA IN PASCOE AND LAKE AND ALL OF THOSE? OR WERE THEY SOME OF THEIR ASPECTS THAT YOU WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON RATHER THAN A FULL

COMP PLAN OR REVISION? >> RIGHT. SO IN OSCEOLA IT WAS A SPECIFIC AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. FOR FLAGLER COUNTY. IT'S THE WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR PASCOE COUNTY. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE PLAN.

A NUMBER OF JURISDICTIONS THAT WE'VE UPDATED THE ENTIRE PLAN. SO æ

>> LIKE CITY OF TAMPA ORLANDO OR A CITY. LIKE WALES?

>> EXACTLY.EXACTLY. >> SO IN TERMS OF COMPLETED COMP PLAN REVISIONS ÃÃYOU'VE

ONLY DONE SUMTER COUNTY. >> IN TERMS OF COUNTY COMPANY AND THE PLANS?

>> YES. YES SIR. >> ENTIRE CONFERENCE OF PLANS I BELIEVE WOULD BE SUMTER COUNTY. OTHER COUNTY PROJECTS ÃÃWE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC ITEMS

RELATED TO THE COMP PLAN. >> THAT'S SOMEWHAT A MOOT QUESTION ANYWAY BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY BEEN HIRED. [LAUGHTER] YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING IT.

SO SO COULD YOU JUST I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THIS AT A VERY BRIEF WAY ÃÃBUT THE KINDS OF CHANGES Y'ALL RECOMMENDED IN SUMTER COUNTY? WHICH BY THE WAY IS A VERY

DIFFERENT COUNTY THAN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. >> SURE.

SURE. >> IT'S MORE RURAL. >> ABSOLUTELY.

MY GOODNESS ÃÃLET ME SEE IF I CAN RECALL EXACTLY WHAT CHANGES WE RECOMMENDED.

IN THIS CASE ÃÃSUMTER COUNTY ÃÃTHEY'VE GOT THE VILLAGES WHICH IS KIND OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A MULTI-COUNTY DEVELOPMENT THAT IMPACTS NOT JUST THE UNINCORPORATED AREA ÃÃBUT ALSO THE CITY OF WILDWOOD, WHICH IS ANOTHER BIG PLAYER IN THE COUNTY. SO IN THE CASE OF SUMTER COUNTY AND REALLY JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE COORDINATION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES WAS CLEARLY IDENTIFIED BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THE WAY OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY OPERATES ÃÃTHEY DON'T PROVIDE A LOT OF PUBLIC SERVICES.HEY DON'T PROVIDE UTILITIES.

SO THEY RELY ON THE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS TO PROVIDETHOSE UTILITIES.

SO THEY HAVE SPECIFIC AGREEMENTS WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE COMMUNITIES.

TO ENSURE THAT EITHER AN ACTIVE RECREATION IS PROVIDED BY THE SPECIFIC JURISDICTION OR UTILITIES ARE AVAILABLE FOR YOU KNOW ÃÃDEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT SPECIFIC BOUNDARY.

SO THEY'VE GOT YOU KNOW ÃÃ LOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENTS WITH EACH ONE OF THESE COMMUNITIES. THAT WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST RECOMMENDATION IS CONTINUE TO

MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED WITHIN THE PLAN. >> OKAY.

GREAT. SOME MORE ÃÃI WROTE DOWN SOME QUESTIONS WHILE YOU ARE SPEAKING AND THEN YOU ANSWERED SOME OF THEM WHILE I WAS STILL WRITING THEM DOWN.

ON THE PUBLIC INPUT ÃÃTHAT SURVEY THAT IS CIRCULATING THE ONLINE SURVEY THAT CLOSES

DECEMBER 15 ÃÃIS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS NOT CORRECT.

>> THAT'S A DIFFERENT SURVEY. THAT'S PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS.

THIS SURVEY WILL BE OPEN ESSENTIALLY AS LONG AS THE PROJECT IS OPEN OR UNTIL THERE'S A NEW ENGAGEMENT DEVELOPED. SO IT'S YES.

>> OKAY. THAT'S GOOD CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I SAW THIS ON THE

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NOT TRUE. >> NOT TRUE.OT THIS SURVEY. >> OKAY.

>> A DIFFERENT SURVEY. [LAUGHTER] >> HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DETERMINE THE FOCUS GROUPS AND INVITE WHAT ORGANIZATIONS OR TYPES OF PEOPLE ÃÃHOW ARE

THOSE FOCUS GROUPS GOING TO BE PROPAGATED OR PUT TOGETHER? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

THE WAY THAT WE DEVELOP OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS ÃÃ EACH EVENT FOR ENGAGEMENT BUILDS OFF THE PREVIOUS. SO AS WE START TO LEARN ABOUT THE COUNTY THROUGH THIS KIND OF DISCOVERY PROCESS IF YOU WILL WILL START TO IDENTIFY SPECIFIC ISSUES.

SO HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. BECOMES A HOT TOPIC. WE WILL HAVE A FOCUS GROUP FOR HOUSING. IF TRAFFIC OR TRANSPORTATION RELATED ISSUES BECOMES ONE OF

THOSE ISSUES. >> IT WELL. >> WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THESE ACCESS TO THE BEACH. WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT. SO AS WE START TO LEARN WHAT THE TOP PRIORITIES ARE IN THE ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY ÃÃ THAT IS WHEN WE START TO IDENTIFY THE TOPIC AND THEN WORK WITH STAFF TO UNDERSTAND WHO ARE THE FOLKS THAT NEED TO BE IN THE ROOM WHEN WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION? BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE DIGGING INTO SOME OF THE MORE NITTY-GRITTY DETAILS ABOUT WHAT THAT ISSUE IS AND WHAT OUR

STRATEGIES OR SOLUTIONS THAT WE CAN PROPOSE IN THE PLAN. >> AND YOUR ANSWER TO THAT ÃÃ A GOOD ANSWER IS A NICE SEGUE INTO ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD. AS YOU SAID ÃÃWE GET TO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THE COUNTY. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYONE THAT LIVES HERE? ARE YOU GONNA HAVE SOMEONE STATIONED HERE IN THE COUNTY? AND HAVE Y'ALL TOURED THE COUNTY? HAVE YOU DRIVEN AROUND? IT'S A BIG COUNTY NORTH TO SOUTH AND EAST TO WEST. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH THE COUNTY AND ARE YOU CAN HAVE LOCAL PEOPLE WE CAN TALK TO WHEN WE NEED TO RATHER THAN

CALL UP OR GO DOWN TO ORLANDO? >> SURE. WHILE ÃÃWE WILL BE HERE A LOT. WE DO PLAN ON AS WE VISIT EACH ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS.

EACH ONE AS WE TOUR THE AREA. I'VE TOURED IT BECAUSE MY YOUNGER BROTHER AND SISTER LIVE HERE IN THE COUNTY. I WAS HERE FOR THANKSGIVING. FOR THE ENTIRE WEEKEND.O I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE COUNTY I'VE LIVED IN JACKSONVILLE FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

I GREW UP HERE IN FLORIDA AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. I VISITED THIS AREA QUITE A BIT. SOME VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE LAND TO LAND.

I'VE ALSO DONE WORK IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE OF COURSE. I SAW SOME OF THAT ON OUR WEBSITE. WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

WE KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE COUNTY? NO.

WE DON'T LIVE IN THE COUNTY. BUT WE WILL BE HERE A LOT AND THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR US.

WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK THROUGHOUT THE STATE THROUGHOUT WHERE WE'VE LIVED.

>> SURE ÃÃOKAY. YOU DID FINALLY ANSWER THIS. IN YOUR LIVE UPDATE SLIDE ÃÃ THERE WAS A QUESTION SLIDE. THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT CONSERVATION OR PRESERVATION AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT. YOU DID MENTION IT LATER ON THE CONSERVATION RESERVATION TO ME IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT ACTUALLY LIMITING GROWTH.

SO I'M GLAD YOU CANNOT ADDRESS NATURAL RESOURCES AND PARKS AND ALL OF THAT.

REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. LET'S SEE. DO I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? I THINK THAT'S PLENTY FOR NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.> THANKS. >> MR. PETER? >> THANK YOU.

I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. EARLIER ON YOU SAID AS RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THAT SUBJECT THAT YOU CAN PULL IT OUT AND DO IT SEPARATELY. COULD YOU EXPAND ON THAT LITTLE

BIT ON WHAT YOU MEANT? >> SURE. THAT WAS IN FACT IN THE RFP ITSELF. TO THE COUNTY ACTUALLY ASKED US TO DO THAT AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. THAT IS AN OPTIONAL ELEMENT. IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY STATUTE.

YES ÃÃYOU SHOULD ADDRESS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN YOUR PLAN.

BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE A SEPARATE ELEMENT. BUT IN THIS CASE THE COUNTY DEVELOPED THAT IT WAS AN IMPORTANT ENOUGH TOPIC TO CREATE ITS OWN CHAPTER OF THE PLAN. SO WE HAVE SOME DIRECTION ALREADY IN THE PLAN ALREADY, BUT THE IDEA IS TO PULL THAT OUT AND CREATE MORE OF AN EMPHASIS ON ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT. AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. >> SO YOU WILL BE DEVELOPING AN

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ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COMP PLAN? >> SO I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN THAT IS IN PROCESS NOW AT THE COUNTY.

SO IT WILL BE A LITTLE MORE DETAILED THAN WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THE COMP PLAN FOR THE COMP PLAN IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER LEVEL. OF COURSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING IN THE COMP PLANT THAT MAY HINDER YOUR ABILITY TO DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING THROUGH

THE STRATEGIC PLAN. SO. >> THANK YOU.

>> SURE. >> YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? >> I DO. THOUGHT.

IT WAS IN MY CHICKEN SCRATCH HERE ON THIS AND I DID NOT SEE IT INITIALLY.

SO YOU MENTIONED ABOUT ENGAGING THE PUBLIC. I JUST WONDERING IS GONNA BE YOUR FIRM OR IS IT CAN BE OFFICIALS IN THE COUNTY OR SAY GONNA BE BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BE ENGAGING CAN'T IN A WORKSHOP AND FOCUS GROUPS AND ALL THAT.

CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT? >> SURE. IT'LL BE OUR FIRM.

IN THE PLANNERS THAT WORK TO INSPIRE WORKING WITH COUNTY STAFF AND WORKING THROUGH OUR

PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN THAT WE HAVE. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> YES. SO ALL COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE ADDRESSED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.AGAIN ÃÃHOUSING AFFORDABILITY BECOMES ONE OF THOSE POP-UP ISSUES THAT WE KNOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS ÃÃTHAT MIGHT BE A TOPIC FOR FOCUS GROUP AND WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT DIGGING INTO SOME STRATEGIES A LITTLE BIT MORE AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? I REALLY APPRECIATE IT CHRIS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH

YOU. >> EXCELLENT. YES.

WE ARE EXCITED TO GET THIS ROLLING. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> I HAD TO PUT THAT IN THERE. [LAUGHTER]

>> ALL RIGHT ÃÃWE ARE GOING TO GO A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER.

IF NOBODY ON THE BOARD HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT. I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND Ã ÃWE ALREADY HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT. SHOULD WE DO THAT?

>> IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT IT PROBABLY IS A GOOD IDEA SINCE IT'S A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND

IT'S A BIG DEAL FOR THE COUNTY. >> YES, MY APOLOGIES. GO AHEAD.

>> I APOLOGIZE. FIVE BLACKBERRY LANE. I APOLOGIZE.

I JUST WROTE DOWN MY NAME AND AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. >> NO WORRIES.

GO AHEAD. >> FIRST OF ALL ÃÃI APPRECIATE CHRIS'S PRESENTATION. I DID ATTEND COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING THAT CHRIS PRESENTED INPUT ALSO WATCH HIS ÃÃON JB TV. HE HAD SOME EXCELLENT QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND SO DO YOU. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU ARE AN IMPORTANT GROUP HERE AS CHRIS AS OUTLINED. HE'S GOING TO BE BRINGING RESULTS BACK TO YOU.

SO CHRIS ALSO MENTIONED THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY QUICK PROCESS.

THIS DATA GATHERING PROCESS IS TO HAPPEN BASED ON THAT SCHEDULE OVER THE NEXT TWO MONTHS. SO I JUST .2 OUR FOLKS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT IF THEY HAVE CONCERNS FOR ROADS AND SCHOOLS AND NEW DEVELOPMENT AND TREES AND PRESERVATION ÃÃTHIS IS A ONCE IN A 10 YEAR OPPORTUNITY TO SAY ANYTHING. AND THERE IS A SURVEY FORM IN THE BACK LOBBY THAT THEY SHOULD PICK UP. THAT YOU SHOULD PICK UP AND RESPOND TO AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE TOWN HALL WORKSHOPS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE GONE ONLINE AND THE IDEA WALL IS FILLING UP QUICKLY. IT'S AMAZING AND YOU KNOW ÃÃ THE COMMENTS ARE AMAZING. PROTECT GREEN SPACES. DO NOT REUSE CONSERVATION.

OVERCROWDING AND HORRIBLE TRAFFIC SAYS SOMEBODY. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND ÃÃTHERE WERE COMMENTS LIKE GREEN SPACE AND TOWN CENTERS. SO THERE'S A REAL MIXED VIEW HERE ABOUT PRESERVATION. DEVELOPMENT AND BALANCE AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

SO I HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT CHRIS AND HIS TEAM WERE GOING TO DO A GOOD JOB OF SCRUTINIZING THOSE AND COLLECTING THOSE AND BRINGING THOSE TO YOU.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF A FULL PICTURE OF WHERE THE COMMUNITY IS COMING FROM ÃÃ I'M NOT EXACTLY HERE REPRESENTING THE WILLIAM BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY, BUT I'M A MEMBER THERE AND AGAIN AND AGAIN WE HAVE ONGOING CONCERNS FOR THE BEAUTY OF THE AREA AND HOW THAT REALLY REPRESENTS THE BEAUTY OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. AND FOR ME ÃÃIF YOU COULD PUT

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SO THERE'S AN EFFORT THERE TO BRING BALANCE INTO THE PICTURE. THIS IS JUST ME.

MY OPINION. PERHAPS THIS WILL BE THE OPINION OF THE WILLIAM BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY GROUP AND OTHERS. BUT IF WE STAY ON PAGE 1.1 ÃÃ I'M GOING TO PROPOSE THAT WE TURN THIS A LITTLE BIT UPSIDE DOWN AND MAYBE REVERSE THE ORDER WHERE SUDDENLY IT'S TO MAXIMIZE PRESERVATION OF THE NATURAL RESOURCES IN ST. JOHN'S

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HOPE TO SEE YOU MORE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.

SEEING NONE WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT AND NINE.

THE BOARD IS ALL RIGHT WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THOSE TWO ITEMS FIRST SINCE MR. INGRAM WAS HERE LAST TIME. AND AS IF MR. INGRAM IS ALL RIGHT WITH THAT ÃÃJUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EXPERT TODAY ON ITEM NUMBER NINE?

SEEING NONE? GREG? >> I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MR. INGRAM YESTERDAY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC COUNTS AND WHETHER HE WAS GOING TO BE PRESENTING

TODAY. SO HERE IS MY DISCLOSURE. >> MR. GREEN?

>> I'VE DONE VISIT ÃÃAND IT'S A CONFERENCE OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SPOKE WITH MR. INGRAM EARLIER AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. WE DO NOT NEED TO DISCUSS THE APPLICATION.

GO AHEAD MR. INGRAM. >> OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON.

TOM INGRAM PAID 1617 ST. MARK K BOULEVARD. IN JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA.

I'M REPRESENTING THE . WE ARE HAVE SOME INFORMATION REGARDING THE TRAFFIC ON FRANCIS ROAD. ONCE A CAPACITY ON WORLD SOUTH TH COMMERCE CENTER PARKWAY.

FAMILY TRIPS WE HAVE TWO AND THREE WHAT ARE THE CANS OUT THERE? NOW. SO WE HAVE COUNTS CONDUCTED ÃÃ THAT WOULD BE THE WEEK AFTER HANKSGIVING. WE ARE HAPPY TO PUT SOME STUFF ON THE OVERHEAD IF THAT WOULD BE USEFUL. WE LOOKED IN TWO PLACES. ONE IS THE FIRST PLACE WE LOOKED WAS TOWARDS THE SOUTH END OF SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD BY STATE ROUTE 16.

AND THERE, THE HIGHEST HOURLY COUNT WAS 294 TRIPS FOR AN HOUR.

SO THAT'S THE SOUTHERLY LEG AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED TOWARDS THE NORTH AND AND THEY ARE THE HIGHEST COUNT WITH 302 P.M. AT PEAK HOUR TRIPS. THAT'S TRAFFIC REPORT AS OF LAST WEEK. AT THE CAPACITIES ÃÃWE HAD DONE SOME EARLIER ANALYSIS AND THEN I JUST WAS HANDED SOMETHING APPARENTLY THE COUNTY LOOKED AT IT.

THEY UNDERSTAND THE CAPACITY OF SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD TO BE 1200 P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

WOULD BE THE P.M. PEAK CAPACITY. RIGHT NOW THE HIGHEST YOU HAVE OUT THERE IS 302. THE CAPACITY OF THE ROAD IS 1200.

SO THAT'S THE CAPACITY AND THE TRIP. NOW ON THE ISSUE OF HOW MUCH DO WE EXPECT TO ADD TO SOUTH FRANCIS? AND I'M GONNA FOCUS ON SOUTH FRANCIS OUT OF OUR ENTRANCE BECAUSE NORTH OF OUR ENTRANCE NORTH OF THAT IS WHERE THE FIELDS AUTO GROUP IS COMING AND BASS PRO IS NOW CYCLING IN AND COSCO IS AS BUSY AS EVER.

WE DID SOME FINE DINING ON BUGGIES ON THE WAY HERE AND COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY BUSY. THEY ARE RUNNING THOSE CASH REGISTERS.

SO ON THAT ÃÃWHAT OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS DID WAS TO LOOK AT THE RELATIVE TRAFFIC ON 95 IDP

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NO, YOU'RE GOING FROM SIX TRIPS TO 12. IT'S NOT A BIG CONTRIBUTOR TO THIS AREA AND JUST AS A REMINDER ÃÃTHIS IS PART OF A MIXED USE AREA THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED IN THE WEST SECTOR PLAN. WORLD COMMERCE CENTER WAS APPROVED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO NOW. THE SAME QUESTIONS CAME UP THEN ABOUT WHERE IS THE LINE? WHERE IS THE RURAL AREA? COMMERCE WAS APPROVED AND HAS MILLIONS OF SQUARE FEET APPROVED AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

SO I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> MISS SPIEGEL?

>> YES, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE NEW MDP COMMENTING THAT YOU ARE WAITING ON WORKFORCE HOUSING. NOT WORKFORCE HOUSING. I APPRECIATE THAT.

LIVED LOCAL ACT. NEW POSSIBILITY FOR MIXED USE. I DID APPRECIATE THAT.

MY BIG CONCERN I THINK WITH THIS PROJECT APART FROM YOU KNOW THE NEIGHBORS AND JUST YOU KNOW EMOTION OF THE BEAUTIFUL RURAL FEEL OF IT AND I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR PROJECT IS JUST KIND OF THE OPEN AND REQUEST FOR THE PUD AND YOU DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHO'S GONNA GO IN THERE AND WHAT EXACTLY THEY MIGHT DO AND WHAT EXACTLY MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

THAT'S JUST A CONCERN TO ME. I APPRECIATE YOU GETTING THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS AND THANK YOU FOR COMMUNICATING SO QUICKLY ON THAT. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> DOCTOR HILLS AND BACK? >> SO TOM, WHY COULDN'T WE HAVE HAD THIS DATA?OT THAT THEY ARE SO SIGNIFICANT. ON H FRANCIS ROAD.

WHY ON TWO WEEKS AND IT'S BEEN OVER TWO WEEKS SINCE WE'VE HAD THE LAST TWO MEETINGS AND YOU SAID WE COULD GET THEM BUT THEN WHEN I GOT THE PACKET ON FRIDAY, NOTHING IN THERE.

JUERGEN HAVE TO PRESENT THEM AT THE MEETING, WHICH IS REALLY NOT SUFFICIENT TIME TO DIGEST EVERYTHING LOOKING AT THEM. JUST AS WE WALK IN HERE AND HEAR THIS TODAY.

SO EVEN THOUGH I SAY THEY ARE NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT ÃÃI THINK IT'S IRRELEVANT FRANKLY BUT THE TRAFFIC IS RIGHT NOW ON STATE FRANCIS ROAD BECAUSE THE MAIN ISSUE I HAVE WITH THIS IS THAT YOU CANNOT GET TO THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT GOING ON SOME OF THE MOST DEFICIENT AND MOST VASTLY IMPACTED ROAD SEGMENTS Ã ÃI SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT YOU CANNOT GET THAT WITHOUT GOING ON THIS KIND OF ROAD SEGMENTS. STATE ROAD 16 AN INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY.

THESE ARE OVERCAPACITY BY, YOU KNOW, 100 PERCENT OR MORE IN SOME CASES.

THEY ARE REALLY HORRIBLE TRAFFIC ON THERE AND IF WE APPROVE THIS ÃÃIN MY OPINION ÃÃIT WOULD VIOLATE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 8.12.5 C BECAUSE OF SEGMENTS OUT THERE UNFUNDED RIGHT NOW. WE'VE GOT MORE DEVELOPMENT COMING ONLINE.

SOUTH OF THEIR AND NORTH OF THERE. WEST OF THERE.

AND I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD IN ALL GOOD CONSCIENCE APPROVE THIS AND WITHOUT VIOLATING THAT ASPECT OF OUR COMP PLAN. SO THAT'S ONE.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS THAT. AND THEN YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS THE INCOMPATIBILITY ISSUE IN MY OPINION, HAVING THIS DEVELOPMENT THERE ÃÃNOW EVEN THOUGH IT'S REALLY OPEN ENDED AND WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS ON THAT, WHICH I'M NOT ALL IN FAVOR OF AN APPROVING THAT AS WELL. I DON'T LIKE INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF APPROVALS.

BUT I THINK IT'S INCOMPATIBLE AND VIOLATES COMP PLAN 8.1.3 11.

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SHE GAVE AN ANSWER AND SHE IS NO WILD ENVIRONMENTALIST OUT THERE OR WHATEVER.

SHE GAVE AN ANSWER THAT SHE DID NOT THINK THIS AREA WASN'T YET READY FOR DEVELOPMENT.

SHE MAY WANT TO CLARIFY THAT IF I MISCONSTRUED HER STATEMENT. SHE DID NOT THINK THIS AREA WASN'T YET READY FOR THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING FOR.

SO YOU MAY WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE, BUT THOSE ARE RECENT THAT I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS.

SO ÃÃTHANK YOU. >> THANK YOU DOCTOR HILLSENBACK.I THINK WE COVERED PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS IN OUR LAST MEETING AND I BELIEVE THIS WAS A LENGTHY DISCUSSION. I DO WANT TO TALK WITH YOU SOMETIME ABOUT HOW THE COUNTY RESERVES TRAFFIC ON COUNTY ROAD 16. ONE THING I LEARNED RECENTLY IS THAT THE COUNTY IS RESERVING TRIPS FOR SOME DRI'S COMING OUT TO PHASE 2 FOR EXAMPLE, THE SILVERLEAF. RESERVING PHASE 2 TRAFFIC OUT INTO SILVERLEAF IN THE 2030S.

ONLY INCLUDING ROAD IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.WE ARE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC IN THE DISTANT FUTURE WITHOUT LOOKING AT IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ALSO CONTEMPLATED IN THOSE TIME FRAMES. BUT I DON'T THINK WE WILL SOLVE THAT TODAY.

I JUST STARTED THAT CONVERSATION WITH STAFF, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SHOW YOU WHAT I HAVE ON THAT. AS TO COMPATIBILITY ÃÃYOU KNOW, GROWING COUNTY AND I WENT THROUGH IT IN MY POWERPOINT. COUNTY HAS GROWN COMMON THAT THE PREVIOUS TWO CULTURE AND POTATO FARM ÃÃTHERE'S A LOT OF FORMER POTATO FARM SITES INCLUDING THE SUBDIVISIONS OF SOME OF THE MOST LOYAL PROPONENTS TO ANY DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED HERE.

WE ARE ON POTATO FARMS ÃÃTHAT IS JUST YOU KNOW NORTHEAST FLORIDA POST AIR CONDITIONING AND POST-WORLD WAR II HAS BEEN DISCOVERED AND CONTINUES TO BE A PREFERRED PLACE FOR PEOPLE

TO,. SO. ASK THANK YOU.>> THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATT AVINA? >> TOM ÃÃIS THAT NOISE COMING FROM YOUR UR HEAD?

>> MIND SQUEAKS WHEN I HEARD THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS. SO WE DEVELOPED THIS AS A SHOPPING CENTER, GETS DEVELOPED AS A SHOPPING CENTER. 17 PEAK HOUR TRIPS IS SEVEN PERCENT.

SO IF I DIVIDE 17 BY 07, I ASSUME THAT'S HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TRIPS THAT ARE BEING GENERATED FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER. ROUGHLY.

SO EVEN IF IT WAS 50-50, 50 WENT SOUTH AND 51 NORTH ÃÃWE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTH LEG HAVING 320 PEAK HOUR TRIPS AT THE MAX VERSUS A CAPACITY OF 1200.

>> I THINK I DID THAT RIGHT. >> DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT TO YOU AND I KNOW YOU'RE A LAWYER AND I'M A CPA. SO I JUST WANTED TO.

>> THIS IS PROBABLY DUE TO ROUNDING, BUT I HAVE PROBABLY 320 TRIPS OVERALL.

>> IF YOU GO TO THE OTHER USE WHICH IS A CAR DEALERSHIP, IT'S GOING TO GENERATE YOU DID 50-50 IN THE 43 ADDITIONAL TRIPS. SO WE WOULD BE AT 346 AT THAT POINT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO ANYWAY. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT I WAS THINKING WHAT IT WAS

CORRECTLY. THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS FOR MR. INGRAM? >> NOT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU.

>> SEEING NONE, WE ARE GOING TO ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEMS NUMBER EIGHT OR NINE? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> MY NAME IS KAREN COWARD, 4220 S. FRANCIS ROAD.

I WAS NORTHWEST COMMUNITY. SO I THINK THE GLARING PROBLEM IS THE ACCESS TO THIS PROBABLY DIRTY. THIS PROPERTY WERE AT ANY OTHER LOCATION PRIOR TO 95 AND IT WAS OFF OF MAJOR ARTERIAL ROAD THERE, WE WOULD NOT EVEN BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.

IF THEY DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY, THERE ARE TWO HOUSES DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS ARCEL.

THERE'S ALSO A 10 ACRE PARCEL ACROSS THE WAY AY THAT A DEVELOPER HOLDS AND INVESTOR HOLDS AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A SIX ACRE PARCEL TO THE SOUTH OF THAT PROPERTY BETWEEN MY

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THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS NOT 80 FEET WIDE AND IT DOES NOT MEET THE COUNTY STANDARDS WITH SIDEWALKS DESIGN ETC. SO WE WOULD HOPE THAT IF THIS WERE TO PASS THAT IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BRING IT UP TO MINOR COLLECTOR STATUS BY COUNTING REGULATION. ALSO THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER DUI HAS UNUSED COMMERCIAL RIGHTS. THOSE RIGHTS SHOULD BE USED BEFORE THE COUNTY EXPANDS THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY. IN SHORT, THE DRI IMPACTS HAVE BEEN MITIGATED FOR USING THOSE RIGHTS AND THE ASSOCIATED MITIGATION BEFORE THE NONRESIDENTIAL SPRAWL CONTINUES. THERE IS ALSO PROBLEMS AT THE INTERSECTION OF PARKWAY IN INTERSECTIONAL GULF PARKWAY FAILING.

PEOPLE DRIVING SOUTH HAVE TO CUT AWAY THREE EXITS TO GET THE LEFT LANE TO GO TO COSCO AND BUGGIES. THIS IS CAUSING BACKUPS ON THE INTERNATIONAL GULF PARKWAY ALL THE WAY UP TO I-95. EVEN LARGER TRUCK ÃÃTRUCKS BIGGER THAN PUBLIC TRUCKS DO THE SAME GOING DOWN 16 AND THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BASIC PLANNING IS DON'T HAVE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES TRAVEL THROUGH RESIDENTIAL TO GET TO COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES. THESE USES ALSO ARE GOING TO BE OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

THOSE PEOPLE CAR SHOP ON WEEKENDS. ALSO THEIR LOCATION IS ÃÃ HOWEVER, THAT'S MOSTLY OFFICE SPACE OPERATING 9¥. THE LARGER EQUIPMENT IS NOT RETAIL AND THERE'S NO ACCESS FROM SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD, WHICH IS CRUCIAL.

YOU CANNOT EVEN SEE RING POWER OR THE STOP SIGN AT THE INTERSECTION OF RURAL COMMERCE PARKWAY FROM THIS PARCEL. THE SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT PART OF THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER DRI. RESPECTFULLY, OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE SPOKEN TO MOST OF THEM.

THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS. THEY WORK TO ATTEND THE MEETINGS. THOUGH WE WOULD ASK THE DEVELOPER TO COME BACK WITH THE

LOWER INTENSITY PROJECT THAT BENEFITS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? >> HELLO, ALEX NUNCHUCK 4841 ALEX ROAD. I WANTED TO NOTE THAT I WAS ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY AND EVERYTHING ELSE I AGREE WITH. WHATEVER THE 95 HAS AN ACCIDENT OR BACKUP TRAFFIC, THOSE PEOPLE COME OFF AND CUT ACROSS SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD TO GET TO 16. I MEAN ANYTIME HAPPENS YOU SEE TRAFFIC ALL THE WAY BACK. IF YOU GO OUT THERE TONIGHT, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE COMING FROM 16 ONTO THE NORTH FRANCIS ROAD ÃÃ IT'S TOO DARK OUT THERE AND I FREQUENTLY SEE PEOPLE HAVING NUMEROUS ACCIDENTS.F YOU GO ACROSS THERE YOU'LL SEE ACCIDENTS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. IT'S A DANGEROUS AREA ADDING CARS TO IT ALREADY HAS AN INFLUX OF MORE TRAFFIC OFF OF 95. IT'S JUST DANGEROUS AND INAPPROPRIATE I THINK. AGAIN ÃÃEVERYTHING THIS COURT SAID I BELIEVE IN.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.S THERE ANYBODY ELSE?

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS DIANE ROSS. I LIVE AT 3975 S. FRANCIS ROAD.

I GREW UP ON SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD. I'VE SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED.

WE WENT FROM A VERY PLEASANT LITTLE COMMUNITY TO A PARKING LOT JUST LIKE PEOPLE SAID.

ANYTIME THERE'S A WRECK ON 95 IT'S A PARKING LOT. AND HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. YOU CAN EVEN GO AND PUT YOUR TRASH OUT AND GET YOUR MAIL WITHOUT TRAFFIC GOING 50 OR 60 MILES AN HOUR. AND ANOTHER THING THAT I FOUND OUT WAS THAT WE HAVE A NEW NICKNAME. FOR SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD.ND IT'S CALLED SHORTCUT TO COSCO'S. AND WHEN I SAY THAT ÃÃ EVERYBODY KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. SO THIS IDEA THAT WE COULD STAND MORE TRAFFIC IS INSANE! MOST OF US OWN HORSES AND HOUSES AND DOGS AND CHICKENS AND GOATS. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP OUR LITTLE COMMUNITY LIKE IT IS NOW. LET THEM GO AROUND. WE DID NOT ASK FOR THAT.

WHY CAN'T THE DEVELOPER, WITH FIVE OR 10 ACRES OF HOUSE? SO OTHER PEOPLE CAN ENTER THE COMMUNITY? WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME STUFF THAT WE'VE GOT A MILE DOWN THE ROAD? THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. SO PLEASE STICK WITH US ON THIS. YOU KNOW? IF IT GOES UP THE WAY IT IS ÃÃ AT LEAST KEEP SOME WOODS BETWEEN US AND THAT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON! >> RICK GOULD, ROLE ROAD SAINT AVIV ACCESS OFF OF ST. FRANCIS. GOES INTO RESIDENTIAL ÃÃWHAT DIANE SAID IS CORRECT.

YOU CANNOT GET OUT OF THERE WITHOUT TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF IT, BUT THERE'S ALREADY TWO FATALITIES THAT FRANCIS AND 16.

THERE IS NO TURN LANE TO THE RIGHT INTO SOUTH FRANCIS HEADING WEST.

INEVITABLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO SLOW UP TO MAKE THAT TURN TO COME INTO OUR RESIDENTS AND EVERYBODY GOES AROUND YOU AND INTO THE ONGOING LEFT TURN LANE.

WHERE THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF HEAD ON COLLISIONS. THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A LIGHT GOING ON IN THERE, BUT WE ARE NOT SURE WHEN ÃÃBUT 95 IS BACKED UP.

SOUTH FRANCIS FROM STATE ROUTE 16 ALL THE WAY UP TO COSCO SOMETIMES.

SO ALL THE WAY. YOU CANNOT GET UP IN EITHER DIRECTION.

ALSO FROM WHAT I SAW WITH THE PLANNING ÃÃIF THEY TAKE THE WOODS DOWN TO GET THE VISIBILITY FROM A 95 ÃÃAS YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW. THAT SECTION OF 95 IS A DEATH TRAP. EVERY WEEK THERE IS A HORRIBLE ACCIDENT AND SOMEBODY DIES.

IN THAT SECTION ÃÃSO WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO IS GIVE A ANOTHER SITE OPTION TO LOOK TO THE RIGHT TO SEE WHAT THAT IS. AND THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE MORE ACCIDENTS ON 95 ÃÃWHICH THAT AGAIN IT TURNS INTO THE LOOP AROUND TO COME UP 16. WE LITERALLY ARE TAKING THEIR LIFE INTO OUR HANDS WHEN WE GO OUT. SO NOW LIKE I SAID ÃÃTHE NUMBERS THE GENTLEMAN CAME UP WITH AS FAR AS TRAFFIC ÃÃTHEY EVIDENTLY DID NOT DO IT ON A DAY THAT THE TRAFFIC ON 95 WAS BACKED UP. BECAUSE BOTH DIRECTIONS IT BACKS UP. AND YOU CAN'T GET OUT. YOU JUST CAN'T GET OUT.

IT'S UNSAFE. IT'S ALREADY GOING TO TAKE ONE MORE FATALITY UNFORTUNATELY TO GET IT IN AUTOMATIC OR EMERGENCY LIKE PUT IN AT SOUTH FRANCIS.

SO IN ORDER TO GET OUT ÃÃ WE'VE GOT TO GET UP TO OUR RING POWER.

MAKE A LEFT AND GO ON ALL THE WAY UP. GO ALL THE WAY AROUND AND COME OUT ON AT THE RACETRACK, WHERE WE THEN HAVE TO CROSS FOUR LANES TO GET IN NEITHER DIRECTION. SO I DON'T SEE ÃÃTHIS IS A GOOD OPTION AT ALL.

NOW IF IT'S FOR SALE, MAYBE THE COUNTY CAN BUY AND PUT AN EQUESTRIAN CENTER IN THERE.

THAT WOULD BE NICE.HANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE?

OKAY. SEEING NONE MR. INGRAM? >> THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS APPLICATION HAS A CONDITION THAT WOULD PROVIDE IF AUTHORIZED BY DOT IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, THE APPLICANT WOULD EXPAND A SIGNAL ON 16TH AND SOUTH FRANCIS AT ITS EXPENSE AND WOULD HAVE TO GO IN BEFORE ITS FIRST CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S ALSO SOME ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE IF IN THE EVENT THE COUNTY AND DOT WANT TO SEE A MAST ARM TYPE SIGNAL AND WE WOULD CONTRIBUTE A SHARE OF THAT COST. OKAY? SO I THINK WE HEARD THE SIMILAR CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT THE SAFETY AND INTERSECTION 16 AND AGREE THAT A SAFETY SHOULD BE THERE AND WE ARE GLAD TO HELP UPON THAT. SO THANK YOU.

>> DOCTOR HILLSENBECK, I HAD STATED WHEN THE TRAFFIC LIGHT OPTION WAS PUT ON THERE.

I THINK THE TRAFFIC LIGHT WAS GOING TO SOLVE THE TRAFFIC ON STATE ROUTE 16.

WHICH IS HORRENDOUS AND WITH THOSE NEW APARTMENTS COMING ON ÃÃTOM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT COUNTY IS RESERVING SOME OF ITS TRAFFIC FOR SILVERLEAF AND FURTHER WEST.

BUT WHEN THOSE NEW APARTMENTS OVER THERE AT ELEVATION POINT, ONLINE ÃÃTHE TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY HORRIBLE ON STATE ROUTE 16 WEST OF I-95 IS GOING TO GET EVEN WORSE.

AND I DON'T SEE HOW A TRAFFIC LIGHT IS GOING TO SOLVE THAT TRAFFIC.SURE IT MAY LET SOME PEOPLE TURN OUT FROM SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD ONTO 16, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE HORRIBLE TRAFFIC THERE. AND I DID WANT TO ADDRESS YOUR INVITATION TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU SOMETIME AND DISCUSS THOSE POINTS AND I WOULD WELCOME THAT.

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>> YES. >> OKAY. BECAUSE LAST TIME WE HAD ZACH RYAN ÃÃZACH MILLER. SORRY. REPRESENTATIVE WHO REPRESENTED A CLIENT IN SOUTHEAST ROAD AND HE'S NOT SURE HERE I THINK. I DID KNOW THIS ITEM WAS GOING

TO BE MOVED TO THE FRONT. >> I LEFT ÃÃI LET HIM KNOW. >> YOU LET HIM KNOW AFTER THIS?

>> NO, I LET HIM KNOW BEFORE AND HE'S NOT PLANNING ON COMING TODAY.

>> OKAY. OKAY ALL RIGHT. SO YOU JUST SAID DECIDED TODAY

TO MOVE IT UP. >> YES. ONCE I DECIDED I TEXTED HIM AND HE REMINDED ME THAT HE WAS HERE AND I GAVE HIM A COURTESY TEST AND I ASKED HIM IF HE PLANNED

ON COMING. >> YES. I KNOW HE'S COMING FROM JACKSON. OR THEREABOUTS. HE ALWAYS SAYS THERE.

OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> BECAUSE HE GAVE A GOOD PRESENTATION LAST TIME ON BEHALF OF HIS CLIENT AND I WANT

TO HEAR AGAIN ACTUALLY. BUT OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE ÃÃANY

QUESTIONS? MR. P ERE. >> SOMEONE IN THE WORKS ON

STATE FRANCIS ROAD. DEVELOP AND IMPROVE. >> WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM TRANSPORTATION THAT CAN COME UP AND POSSIBLY ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON AGENCY MEMBERS.

SHANE IN TRENTON WITH GROWTH AGENCY MEMBERSHIP. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION?

UPGRADES TO SOUTH FRANCIS? >> IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE WORKS TO WORK ON THE ST.

FRANCIS ROAD? >> NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. THE DOT DID A ANALYSIS AT STATE ROUTE 16 LAST YEAR AND OPTED NOT TO PUT THE SIGNAL IN AT THAT TIME.

THEY WANTED TO REEVALUATE IT WITH THE FOUR LANE THIS APPLICANT IS AWARE AND THAT'S WHY THEY PROPOSED THE CONDITION TO PUT THE SIGNAL IN IF IT BECOMES NEEDED IN THE SPAN WIRE HAS DONE MORE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION VERSUS WHEN THE FOUR LANE GOES IN ON STATE ROUTE 16 IT WOULD BE MORE OF A PERMANENT MAST ARM SYSTEM. THIS APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A SIDEWALK ON THEIR FRONTAGE OF SOUTH FRANCIS AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IN THE AREA IS ADEQUATE AS I THINK IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN 80 FEET THERE WHICH IS WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR A MINOR COLLECTOR. ON THE SOUTH AND IT'S A LITTLE MORE NARROW.

ON THE NORTH END WHERE IT IS, IT'S FINE. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. >> WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY PROMOTION.

MR. MATT AVEENO? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CPA 2023 04 4400 S. FRANCIS ROAD BASED UPON FUNDING THE FACTS PRESENTED IN THIS EFFORT.

>> IN A MOTION OF APPROVAL, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? MR. GREEN?

>> ALL SECOND. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE FACTS THAT I'M RELYING UPON YES ÃÃTHIS IS NOT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BUT CONTINUES IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN THOSE SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT. EXCEPT FOR THE SHORT STRETCH OF SOUTH FRANCIS. AND I WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE LAND USE TO THE NORTH. GIVE A MIXED LAND USE IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET FROM AND JUST A LITTLE FURTHER TO THE NORTHWEST. BASED ON THOSE FACTS ÃÃI FIND

THAT THIS MEETS THE NECESSARY QUALIFICATIONS FOR APPROVAL. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? OKAY. SEEING NONE, YOU ARE FREE TO REGISTER THE THAT MOTION PASSES SSES 5Ö. THANK YOU. ONTO ITEM NUMBER NINE.

[2. ZVAR 2023-27 11 Mary Street.]

>> OKAY. >> MR. MATT AVEENO? >> AND MAKE A RECOMENDATION OF PUD Ã06 40 4006 ÃÃPROVIDED IN THE [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> SECOND. >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? NONE ÃÃLET'S REGISTER TO VOTE.

THAT MOTION PASSES 5Ö. NOW WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA TO ITEM 2. MR. FORREST? ANY AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE ANY

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[INDISCERNIBLE] >> LET ME LOOK AT IT. >> YES I DID A SITE VISIT AND I SPOKE WITH THE OWNER BRIEFLY. AND READ THE EMAILS THAT WERE GIVEN TODAY.

>> THANK YOU. DOCTOR HILLSENBECK? >> MR. FORREST ÃÃGO AHEAD.

>> MR. FORREST, 248 NORTH STREET ÃÃAND ONE OF THE OWNERS.

>> ANGELA BROWNER, SAME ADDRESS. >> OKAY.

>> WE MADE AN APPLICATION FOR A DECREASE IN THE SETBACKS. >> CAN YOU SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME.> SORRY.

WE MADE A REQUEST FOR, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING VARIANCE FOR THE ÃÃTO DECREASE THE SETBACKS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN WHAT WE PRESENTED ÃÃWHEN THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1965, THE ZONING AND THE SETBACKS WERE NOT IN PLACE.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PACKET OR YOU'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT IT Ã ÃBUT THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY SITTING ON THE PROPERTY LINE. ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

AND SO I'VE READ SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE ALSO COME IN WHERE THERE'S SOME CONCERN ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD IMPACT A REVIEW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.HICH IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DONE ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THIS IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE IN THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE ÃÃYOU COULD SEE THAT THERE WAS A CARPORT THAT EXTENDED OUT TO WITHIN FOUR FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE. THAT WAS REMOVED ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO.

>> IT WAS REMOVED? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? >> YES, THAT ONE WAS REMOVED ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY PURCHASED THE HOME.ND SO THERE IS STILL A CHUNK OF IT NEXT TO THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S THERE'S NOTHING ÃÃTHERE'S NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE THERE.

NOW. WHAT WE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH IS THAT HE HAS A MEDICAL CONDITION THAT THEY CAN SPEAK OF. THERE'S A HARDSHIP IN TRYING TO BRING THIS HOUSE INTO COMPLIANCE. WE CAN'T PICK THE WHOLE HOUSE AND NECESSARILY MOVE IT AND SO IT WOULD ALWAYS BE OVER THOSE SETBACKS. AT THE VERY LEAST ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AND MOST OF THE ENTIRE WEST. SO THAT'S WHERE WE COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO PUT IN A BATHROOM THAT WOULD BE ON THAT NORTH SIDE IS WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS. WE'VE ALSO GOT A COUPLE OF ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS THAT WOULD MAKE IT SO WE ARE NOT ENCROACHING ON THE SETBACKS. WHERE WE WOULD BE ADDING SOMETHING NEW. BUT IF IT'S EXISTING, IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY, ALWAYS BE THERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WOULD GO AHEAD AND LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT BEHALF? BOARD MEMBER THAT CAME OUT AND TOOK THE TIME TO LOOK AT OUR HOUSE AND BY THE WAY THE HOUSE LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN THAT NOW. WE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY INTO THE PLACE KEEPING THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT AND THE INTEGRITY OF THIS VERY SPECIAL PROPERTY HERE ON THE BEACH AND WE WATCHED THIS HOUSE FOR 22 YEARS HOPING THAT ONE DAY IT WOULD BE HOURS AND WE RETIRED AND IT CAME TRUE. I'M A NATIVE FLORIDIAN AND I CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT THIS AREA. AND WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE Ã ÃIT HAD ONE BATHROOM.

WE KNEW THAT. WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE FINE. IT'S A SMALL LITTLE HOUSE AND WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. BUT A YEAR AGO I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH AN UNCONTROLLABLE AND CHRONIC CONDITION AND I DO HAVE A LETTER FROM MY DOCTOR SAYING THAT HAVING AN ADDITIONAL BATHROOM IN THIS HOUSE IS MEDICALLY NECESSARY FOR ME.

I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL IN FRONT OF ALL THESE PEOPLE ÃÃBUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THE DETAILS OF MY CONDITION ÃÃ I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU WHY THIS IS NECESSARY AND WHAT IT TAKES FOR ME TO LIVE MY LIFE NOW ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU WILL DO THIS.

WE HAVE BEEN VERY COURTEOUS TO EVERYONE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO BLOCK ANYBODY'S VIEW. AS A MATTER FACT THIS VERY SMALL ADDITION WILL HARDLY EVEN BE VISIBLE TO ANYONE. IT'S WITHIN OUR PRIVACY FENCED IN AREA.

I JUST NEED A LITTLE BATHROOM AND I HOPE THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER THAT.

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WE APPRECIATE IT. >> IN ADDITION TO THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SHOW EXACTLY WHERE IT WOULD BE TO SEE WHERE THE PART IS ON THIS PICTURE IS. THAT'S WHERE THE NEW BATHROOM WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE DOOR THAT'S EXISTING RIGHT NOW WOULD BECOME THE DOOR TO THE BATHROOM BELOW. LITTLE SHED ROOF. LIKE I SAID IT'S A SIX FOOT BY EIGHT FOOT ADDITION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO PUT RIGHT THERE. AND THEN I KNOW YOU CAN SEE I BELIEVE THIS IS A PART OF THE PART OF THE PRESENTATION WHERE THE CARPORT WAS THAT'S ON THE SURVEY FOR WHENEVER THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND WHEREVER THAT DECK IS.

THAT BATHROOM GOES OVER THE DECK.> IT'S SMALLER THAN THE DECK EVEN.>> WHAT WE'VE GOT IS A COUPLE OF ÃÃTHIS IS WHAT WE WOULD PREFER TO BE ABLE TO DO.

BUT WE PRESENTED AT LEAST AND RESUBMITTED IT AS PART OF A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL OPTIONS THAT WOULD DECREASE THE OVERALL ÃÃWHERE WE HAVE THE SETBACKS OTHER WAY.SO WE HAVE TURNED THE BATHROOM IN ONE DIRECTION AND MAKE IT WHERE WAS ENCROACHING THE SETBACK EVEN LESS. THAT'S ONE SOLUTION AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER SOLUTION TO BRING INTO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY IDEAL.

BUT AT LEAST THE NEW ADDITION WOULD NOT BE ENCROACHING ON THE SETBACKS.

BUT I DO BELIEVE WE WOULD STILL NEED A VARIANCE BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS SITTING ON THE PROPERTY LINE. SO ÃÃI DO NOT BELIEVE WE ARE ABLE TO GET THE CLEARANCE WITHOUT ÃÃOR ANY OF THE OPTIONS WITHOUT APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE.

>> DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> YES. ON THIS ÃÃGO BACK TO THE æ

>> EXCUSE ME SIR? >> WHERE THE 10 FOOT SETBACK IS ON THAT.> ARE YOU ASKING

WHERE IT IS ON THE ONE WE PROPOSED? >> LET ME GO BACK TO THAT ONE SIR. IT'S ON THE ÃLINE.> I CANNOT SEE IT.

THE COPY WE GOT IS SO SMALL AND I CANNOT READ THE NUMBERS ON IT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. >> SURE. FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE

CORNER OF THE BATHROOM IS 11 FOOT. >> YOU'VE GOT A POINT THERE.

CAN YOU POINT TWO IT THERE? >> YES. >> THERE IS A LASER SOMEWHERE.

THERE WE GO. >> WHERE MY? OH.

ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.

THIS CORNER TO THIS LINE HERE IS ACTUALLY 12 FEET. >> OKAY.

>> MR. MADAVINO? >> I'VE TWO QUESTIONS. CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT VERSION?

>> YES SIR. >> IS THAT BATHROOM THE SAME SIZE?

>> YES SIR. >> OKAY. AND GO TO THE LAST VERSION PLEASE. YES, THAT ONE THERE. SO ÃÃAS I SEE THAT VERSION THERE ÃÃYOU HAVE TO WALK FROM YOUR BEDROOM THROUGH THE WHOLE COMMON AREA TO GET TO THE

BATHROOM? >> THAT'S CORRECT SIR PER THAT'S WHY IT'S THE LEAST DESIRABLE OF ALL OF THE OPTIONS. THOUGH GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO GET A BATHROOM. SO WE WANTED TO PRESENT, YOU KNOW, THE ÃÃWITH THE ALTERNATIVE AND WHAT IS SOMETHING ELSE WE COULD WORK TOWARDS IN THE PRIMARY

OBJECTIVE IS ACHIEVED. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> YOU STILL HAVE TO ASK FOR A

VARIANCE FOR THE PROPERTY? >> YES. >> MRS. SPIEGEL?

>> YES. YOU SHOULD HAVE PICTURES OF THE HOUSE NOW BECAUSE IT'S ADORABLE. THAT WAS A BAD PICTURE. NOT CUTE.

NO. OKAY. NOW MY QUESTION IS WHERE IS THE

ROOF LINE OF THE BATHROOM? IS IN LINE WITH THE HOUSE? >> IT'S IN LINE WITH THE HOUSE.

IT'S A SHED ROOF LINE THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE HOUSE. >> IN LINE WITH THE ROOF LINE? > SO IT WILL BE A LITTLE HIGH FROM THE MAIN ONE BEHIND? THAT WAS ONE QUESTION.

>> IT'S IN PLAIN WITH THAT. THE OTHER ROOF IS RIGHT HERE. THE NEW ROOF WOULD SIT JUST

BELOW. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.

>> IT'S LOWER THAN THE OTHER END OF THE WALL OF THE HOUSE. >> I DID DRIVE AROUND AND I'M NOT DENYING FOR THE NEIGHBORS THAT IT WOULD BE IN THEIR LINE OF VIEW.BUT NOT SO MUCH.

I DID APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU DID WORK WITH US AND TRY TO MAKE IT ÃÃIT'S OBVIOUSLY THAT YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO MEET A NEED HERE. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF I COULD ASK STAFF OR MR. TAYLOR, IF YOU COULD COMMENT ON HARDSHIP AND HOW THAT KIND OF WORKS.S IT

[01:15:07]

>> HELLO. LAUREN DRYER. PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF.

SO THE ACTUAL HARDSHIP, UNBEKNOWNST TO ME WAS THIS CONDITION THAT I JUST HEARD ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THE MEETING. BUT THE ACTUAL HARDSHIP IS BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING NONCONFORMING LOT. I WAS UNAWARE OF THE OTHER PROPOSED ADDITIONS BECAUSE THEY JUST SUBMITTED THE ORIGINAL WHICH WAS THE FIRST OPTION THAT YOU GUYS SAW. SO THE EXISTING NONCONFORMING LOT.

THE FACT THAT IT HAS TWO FRONT YARDS AS WELL AS THE ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS BASICALLY ON THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH OPTION TO ADD IT TO.

>> SO LAUREN ÃÃIF THIS IS APPROVED BY MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS ÃÃDOES THIS SET A PRECEDENT OR IS THIS KIND OF ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS?> I FEEL LIKE TRACY ÃÃYOU MIGHT

WANT TO. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR. >> TAYLOR.

KIND OF COUNTY ATTORNEY OFFICE. EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY IS ITS OWN ÃÃTHEY ALL ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AND LEGALLY SPEAKING IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY CREATE A PRESIDENT.

WE DO WANT YOU TO TRY TO USE THE SAME LOGIC FROM ONE TO ANOTHER TO ANOTHER.

BUT YOU ARE FREE TO SEE DIFFERENT LOGIC OR DIFFERENT THINGS IN EACH AND EVERY PROPERTY TWO PROPERTIES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER OR STILL DIFFERENT PROPERTIES UNDER THE LAW. YOU HAVE TO EVALUATE INDIVIDUALLY FOR EACH CASE.

>> SO SOMEBODY CANNOT JUST SAY THEY GET VARIANCE THEREFORE WE SHOULD GET ONE TOO.

>> IT'S DEFINITELY EVIDENCE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. BUT IT'S NOT BINDING.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR. MADAVINO?

>> CAN YOU PUT OPTION TWO UP THERE AGAIN PLEASE? WHY IS THAT LESS DESIRABLE?

>> THE REASON THAT'S LESS DESIRABLE IS BECAUSE THE PITCH OF THE ROOF AND THAT PARTICULAR ONE IS ACTUALLY HIGHER AND IT DOES HAVE A POTENTIAL TO IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS ROOF BECAUSE IT'S A LONGER ROOF RUNNING EAST TO WEST. SO WHENEVER YOU RUN UP WITH A RAKE OF THE ROOF ALONG THAT ONE ÃÃTHAT ROOF THOUGH IT DOES NOT COME OUT AS FAR AS THE OTHER ONE DOES.T'S YOU KNOW ÃÃAPPROXIMATELY 3 AND A HALF FEET HIGHER.

>> DOES THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE BEDROOM OF THE DOOR SWING THERE?

>> IT'S ÃÃTHE FIRST OPTION IS THE BEST OPTION FOR ALL OF THE CONDITIONS.

EXCEPT FOR THE SETBACKS. IT'S THE LEAST ÃÃIT WOULD IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS VIEWS LESS THAN I BELIEVE THIS ONE WOULD. BUT THEY ARE BOTH RELATIVELY MINOR GIVEN THE ANGLE OF THE PROPOSED STREET. SO IF YOU'RE STANDING THERE ÃÃ LOOKING OUT ÃÃTHERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN SEE BECAUSE IT ALREADY EXISTS. YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE MUCH OF

THIS BUILDING AT THE CORNER OTHER WAY. >> WHAT I WAS ASKING YOU IS THAT YOU HAVE A DOOR SWINGING INTO THE BEDROOM AT THIS CASE. LESS DESIRABLE.

IT'S STILL LESS DESIRABLE. >> YES SIR, IT'S LESS DESIRABLE.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK

ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? >> SAYING NONE, WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY.

MR. GREEN?>> YES. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS.

I DO BELIEVE THERE'S A HARDSHIP AT THE CORNER LOT AT REGULAR. AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.AKE A MOTION OR PROOF A ZONING VARIANCE 2023Ö7. 11 MARY STREET PROPOSED ON

[3. MINMOD 2023-17 Port St. John Fence.]

AND DO WE WANT TO PUT IN THEIR [INDISCERNIBLE] >> THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION I'VE

GOT, RIGHT? >> YES SIR.> IT'S IN THE PACKET?

>> WE HAVE A MOTION OF APPROVAL AGAIN. >> SECOND BY [INDISCERNIBLE] ANY DISCUSSIONS? SEEING NOT ÃÃLET'S GO AHEAD

[INDISCERNIBLE] THAT MOTION PASSES. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> YOU ARE WELCOME. >> ONTO ITEM NUMBER THREE. MR. KIM MASTEN?

ANYBODY HAVE ANY EXPERT TAKE? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR SEEING US.

MY NAME IS BRETT CARMEN, I AM VICE PRESIDENT OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR A MODIFICATION TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF OUR FENCE LINE ON THE NORTHERN BOUND CREEK FROM SIX FEET ÃEIGHT FEET. THIS IS A MAP OF OUR COMMUNITY.

[01:20:02]

OUR HOA IS ESTABLISHED IN 2004. THE DEVELOPER AT THE TIME CREATED A TWO FOOT FARM RUNNING FROM THE FURTHEST ÃÃEASTERN LOT ÃÃWESTERN TO THE FURTHEST LOT AND ALSO THE TWO FOOT FIRM PEXTENDING HERE ÃÃ150 FEET TOWARDS THE RIVER IN OUR HOA COMMON AREA.

THE DEVELOPER ÃÃWE ARE NOT SURE IF THE DEVELOPER OF THE HO A PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE ON TOP OF THAT TWO FOOT RUNNER IN THE COMMON AREA. HUNDRED AND 50 FEET WEST AND IT'S A JOINT AN EXISTING EIGHT FOOT WOODEN FENCE ÃÃIT WAS ON THE MARINA'S PROPERTY.

OFFSET BY ABOUT A FOOT. AND THAT MARINA FENCE WENT 400 FEET WEST DOWN TO THE WATER.

THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS HAD A TWO FOOT BURN. AND THE LOTS WERE SOLD AND RESIDENTS HAD AN OPTION SOME PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE ON TOP OF IT TO FOOT ÃÃOTHERS DECIDED TO LEVEL THE BURN AND TO INCREASE THE DEPTH OF THEIR LOT AND PUT IT IN FOR THEMSELVES.

ALL THE FENCES WERE THE SAME HEIGHT. THIS IS A PICTURE OF OUR EXISTING FENCE THAT WE BUILT RUNNING FROM THE RIVER EAST. IT'S EIGHT FOOT TALL.

IT'S NEW. THE MARINA ORIGINALLY HAD AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE AT THAT LOCATION. IT WAS OVER 18 YEARS OLD IN POOR CONDITION.

IT FELL DOWN AND WAS TAKEN DOWN AND THE OWNER OF THE MARINA INDICATED THAT HE HAD NO DESIRE TO REBUILD THE FENCE. JUST TO LEAVE THE AREA OPEN. OUR 24 FAMILIES ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THERE'S FAMILIES AND SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THEIR CHILDREN.

IN ALL HONESTY, THE RESIDENTS OF THOSE MOBILE HOME PARK ARE NOT THE BEST NEIGHBORS WE COULD HAVE. WE HAVE VARIOUS ISSUES WITH THEM.

SO WE DECIDED FOR SAFETY REASONS TO HAVE A SURVEY COMPLETED AND WE BUILT THIS EIGHT FOOT WALL RUNNING FROM WEST TO EAST. AS YOU CAN SEE ÃÃIT STOPS ABOUT 120 FEET FROM OUR ORIGINAL FENCE. AND ABUTS TO THE OLD MARINA FENCE THAT IS STILL STANDING. YOU CAN SEE THAT BOTH FENCES ARE EIGHT FEET TALL.

THAT'S ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE EXISTING STANDING MARINA FENCE THAT'S IN POOR SHAPE.

IT'S 120 FEET. WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT WILL BE STANDING VERY MUCH LONGER.

IT'S PROBABLY GONNA FALL DOWN BECAUSE IT'S WEEK. SO WE PLAN EARLY NEXT YEAR TO CONTINUE WITH OUR FENCE EASTWARD AND COMPLETE THE CLOSING OF THE AREA.

WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE ARE NOT ASKING TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF ANY FENCE.

WE'VE HAD EIGHT FOOT FENCES IN THEIR COMMUNITY SINCE 2004. FROM THE BACK OF OUR INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS TO OUR COMMON AREA DOWN TO THE WATER. ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR IS A MINOR PUD MODIFICATION TO INCREASE OUR FENCE HEIGHT FROM 8¤ FEET.

>> THERE WAS ANOTHER PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE. ANOTHER PERSON SUBMITTED TO THE

PRO TEM? >> INDIVIDUAL TALKING ÃÃI'M DONE WITH MY PRESENTATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. GREEN?

>> SO YOU'RE JUST REQUESTING TO REPLACE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE? IS THAT CORRECT?

>> WE HAVE REPLACED AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE ÃÃBUT OUR PUD HAS A SIX FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION.

WE ARE ASKING TO MODIFY THAT TO MAKE EIGHT-FOOT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.

>> YES SIR. >> WE ARE REPLACING EIGHT-FOOT EXISTING FENCE.

>> THE CODE REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE SEX. >> YES SIR.

>> NO PROBLEM. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THAT WAS EASY FOR YOU WAS IN

IT? THANK YOU. >> THAT'S A LITTLE TOO SOON.

[LAUGHTER] >> IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT FROM THE APPLICANT?OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. DO YOU?

WHOEVER IS NEXT ÃÃPLEASE COME UP. >> AND GONNA LEAVE A COUPLE

EXTRA. I HAVE ONE TO TAKE HOME. >> HELLO TO EVERYONE AND THANK

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THANK YOU. ESPECIALLY TO THE ST. JOHN COUNTY COMMISSION FOR GETTING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE DUE CAUSE MINOR VARIANCE SUBMISSION ON OUR EXISTING EIGHT FOOT FENCE LINE. MY NAME IS DEAN CAMPUS. MY FAMILY MOVED TO THE PORT ST.

JOHN PRIVATE COMMUNITY A FEW YEARS AGO THIS MONTH. WE SPECIFICALLY CHOSE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE SOLE REASON THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS HIGHER STANDARDS OF SECURITY AND PRIVACY THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES A GATED ENTRANCE WAY AND SECURED IN EIGHT-FOOT FENCING AROUND MUCH OF THE PROPERTY. SO WHY DO WE ÃÃNEIGHBORHOODS HAVE FENCES AND BARRIER WALLS? SECURING THEM FIRST WE HAVE THEM AROUND IN OUR OWN YARDS AND WE HAPPEN TO KEEP CHILDREN OUT OF POOLS. WE HAVE THEM TO SEPARATE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE HAVE THEM TO CREATE A DETERRENT FOR ANY NEED FOR BURGLAR THINKING OF STEALING OR THREATENING US. WE HAVE THEM TO PROTECT OUR FAMILIES TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES. AND IN THE END THEY ARE OUR ONLY LINE OF DEFENSE TO PROVIDE A SAFE STANDARD OF LIVING FOR ALL OF OUR FAMILIES. WITHOUT THE RIGHT SIZED FENCING TO YIELD THESE OUTCOMES ÃÃWE ARE WHAT'S SAY VULNERABLE. WHICH LEADS ME TO MY NEXT POINT. SINCE MOVING HERE ÃÃWE'VE SEEN THE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ADJACENT AMITY BARN TRAILER EFFICIENCY AND STORAGE PART.

AN ESSAY EFFICIENCY BECAUSE THEY HAVE POSTS ON FACEBOOK THAT SHOW SHEDS AND ARE CALLING THEM EFFICIENCIES. THE ROUTINE POLICE VISITS THAT SHOWS THEM LACK OF STANDARDS BEING ENFORCED THERE. IF YOU FALL THE COMPLAINTS FOR PTHE 2023 YEAR ALONG WITH MANY PREVIOUS YEARS AND YOU SPEAK WITH THE POLICE AND SHERIFFS THAT ROUTINELY ARE CALLED OUT FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ÃÃYOU WILL BE AWARE OF THE UNCONTROLLED SCREAMING AND SHOUTING ABOUT'S ENTITIES THAT IS ALLOWED THE BAR PATRON FIGHTS WITH TRAILER TENANTS THAT IS ALLOWED. AND FINALLY THE USUAL WEEKLY TRASH OR DRUG NEEDLES THAT HAVE BEEN THROWN AND KNOWN TO BE THROWN OVER THE FENCE LINE OF OUR PROPERTY THAT IS ALLOWED.

ALL OUT WITH YET NO DISCIPLINE ACTION TAKEN THAT WE KNOW OF BECAUSE IT PERPETUATES WEEKLY.

E NEED HELP FROM THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AUTHORITY OFFICERS.

SO WHY ARE WE ALL HERE TODAY AND HOW IS IT FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN OUR EIGHT FOOT FENCE IS BECOMING AN ISSUE AND WAS COMPLAINED ABOUT TO THE COUNTY? HERE IS THE ANSWER. DUE TO THE 2023 STORM SEASON Ã THIS WE HAVE ONE STORM THAT DROPPED THE TREE LIMB ON BOTH OF OUR FENCE LINES.

OUR HOA ATTEMPTED TO HAND IN ALL OF BRANCH TO THE AMITY OWNER AND WORK THROUGH SPLITTING THE COST TO REPAIR, REPLACE AND HAUL OFF THE DEBRIS.

AMITY REFUSED AND SO OUR HOA DECIDED TO REPLACE THE DAMAGED FENCE ALONG WITH MANY FENCE SECTIONS THAT HAD DEGRADATION OVER THE YEARS. NCE LINE WAS ESTABLISHED ON OUR HOA EASEMENT AND EVERYTHING WAS FINE OR SO WE THOUGHT.

THERE WAS SOME BACK-AND-FORTH COMPLAINTS BY RESIDENTS CALLED INTO THE COUNTY AND THEN AMITY RETALIATED BY PUTTING A SERIES OF COMPLAINTS AND AND THEN THE RECORDS THAT WE HAVE A 14 FOOT FENCE HEIGHT WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS ERRONEOUS. I ACTUALLY TRIED TO KEEP THE PEACE BETWEEN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND AMITY AND I WAS TOO LATE TO COMPLAIN AN HOUR FENCES WERE ALREADY FILED AND THAT'S THE REASON WE ARE HERE TODAY BEFORE YOU.

WE ASK THE COUNTY COMMISSION TO PLEASE APPROVE OUR EIGHT FOOT FENCE THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS. THE RESIDENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE ALLOW FOR THE SAME INEQUALITY THAT THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY RECEIVES THAT RESIDES OFF TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE AMITY BAR AND TRAILER ARE BE STORAGE SHED EFFICIENCY PARK THAT THEY ENJOY. WE ASK THAT THE PORT ST. JOHN RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY BE PROVIDED WITH THE SAME EQUAL RIGHTS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO ENJOY THE NECESSARY QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THE SAME EIGHT FOOT FENCE LINES YIELDS SINCE THEY BORDER AND WE BORDER A COMMUNITY OF A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT THE COUNTY APPROVED IN THE MIDDLE OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOME COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND FOR ENFORCING

OUR 20 YEAR EIGHT FOOT FENCE. >> THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER THREE?

[01:30:04]

I WANT TO FLORIDA STATE AND I LIVED ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES FROM NEW YORK TO CALIFORNIA.ND I'VE NEVER FELT AS UNSAFE AS I DO IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ARE HAVING CONSTANT ISSUES THAT WE ARE HAVING TO CALL THE POLICE FOR.

I'M GONNA PUT MY GLASSES ON SO I COULD ACTUALLY READ MY NOTES HERE.

BUT I WANT TO SHOW YOU TWO. THIS IS MY BACKYARD. AND THE RB' YOU COULD SEE ABOVE THE FENCE ARE ILLEGAL. THOSE ARE NOT ALLOWED. THE OWNERS ONLY ALLOW 13 MOBILE HOME PARKS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY GRANDFATHERED IN. HE CONTINUES TO ADD RVS ILLEGALLY. WE ARE WAITING FOR CODE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.HAT'S YET TO HAPPEN. SO THAT'S KIND OF OUR BACKYARD SITUATION. ÃÃTO GIVE YOU COUPLE OF EXAMPLES WHAT'S GOING ON ÃJUST TWO MONTHS AGO WHILE SITTING AT DINNER WITH MY FAMILY ÃÃTHE POLICE OVER THE LOUDSPEAKER CAME OUT AND YELLED ACROSS AND WE HEARD AT THE DINNER TABLE. COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP. VERYBODY DOWN ON THE GROUND.

DRUGS AND WEAPONS CHARGES. RIGHT? THEY WERE HOLD OFF.HE NEXT MORNING WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE GENTLEMAN GOT RELEASED FROM PRISON CAME BACK TO ONE OF THE RVS AND THREATENED TO KILL HIS NEIGHBORS NEXT TO HIM BECAUSE SOMEBODY STOLE HIS GUN WHILE HE WAS IN JAIL. ALL OF THIS I HEAR FROM MY BACKYARD.

I SPENT $200,000 FOR A BEAUTIFUL POOL THAT MY CHILDREN WILL NOT USE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT FEEL SAFE TO GO IN THE BACKYARD. IT'S REALLY A SHAME.

THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. BACK TOMIKE CLASSES. THANKSGIVING MORNING I SENT ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS A LOVELY VIDEO OF THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME THREATENING THEY WERE BREAKING INTO ONE OF THE TRAILERS AND THREATENING TO KILL THE OTHER PERSON AND THE ONE NEXT.

AND SO THE VIDEO WENT TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO THE SHERIFF AND TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AS WELL. JUST SO THEY COULD SEE WHAT WE ARE LIVING WITH.

OUR NEIGHBOR CONTINUES TO INCREASE HIS OCCUPANCY BY ILLEGALLY ADDING RVS TO THIS MOBILE HOME PARK. THIS TYPE OF HOUSING AND A BAR THAT ADVERTISED AS HARD ALCOHOL IS ATTRACTING CRIMINALS MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE AND DRUG ADDICTS INTO A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY. FOR OUR PROTECTION, WE NEED TO KEEP OUR EIGHT FEET OF FENCE AND IN ALL HONESTY, I NEED A 10 FOOT FENCE THAT ACTUALLY IS A SOUNDPROOF AND BULLETPROOF AT

THIS POINT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO

SPEAK? COME ON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS JENNY DONOVAN. I LIVE AT 161 HALLE BERRY ROAD. WE WERE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO AMITY MARINA. SO BEING NEXT DOOR TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WE GET TO SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY HEAR A LOT OF NOISE, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT WHEN WE ARE IN OUR BACKYARD, IT SHOULD BE YOUR SANCTUARY. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SIT BACK THERE IN PEACE. AND NOT SEE WHAT WE HAVE SEEN. THE FENCE WAS DOWN FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND MANY OF THE CUSTOMERS WOULD WANDER OVER INTO OUR YARD.

WE HAVE THREE YOUNG CHILDREN. WE PAY TAXES TO GO TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM.

SO I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY CONSIDERATION TO KEEP IT AT EIGHT FEET.

THAT'S A MINIMAL. SECONDLY WHEN I DID CALL IN TO ASK ABOUT ANY SORT OF BUFFER OR ANY SORT OF RESPONSIBILITY ON THE OWNER OF AMITY MARINA ÃÃ THE GENTLEMAN CALLED ME.

THE MEMORY AND AND WHEN THEY SAID THEY CALLED IN THE SET I GOT A PHONE CALL.

SO I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE KNOW EACH OTHER AND THEY LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER.

I GET THAT AND SOMETIMES THAT'S LIFE. BUT MY CONSIDERATION FOR YOU GUYS IS THAT I KNOW A LOT OF YOU ALL ARE PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE IN YOUR BACKYARD AND HAVE PEACE.

LOOK OUT FOR YOUR CHILDREN. I DO NOT WANT ANYTHING BAD TO HAPPEN.

SO THAT'S MY ASKED. PLEASE CONSIDER EIGHT FOOT. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR 10 OR 14.

EIGHT IS WHAT'S BEEN IN PLACE PLEASE. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY.

>> MR. GREEN? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY.

GO AHEAD. >> I NAME IS GEORGE HARP 140 HALLE BERRY.

I JUST WANT TO BRING UP ANOTHER POINT. WITH THE MOBILE HOMES THIS

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>> THANK YOU.OKAY. >> JENNY DEPP'S, 114 HALLE BERRY.

I HAVE NOT BEEN PLANNING ON SPEAKING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO TALK ON THE SECOND AND FOURTH AND FIFTH AND EVERYTHING ELSE EVERYONE JUST SAID.Y END OF THE STREET WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW THE VIEW FROM THAT ROAD AND THE NEIGHBORS BEING BUILT UP MR. MOSES THAT OWNER OF AMITY HAS BROUGHT IN THE PAST YEAR THAT I MOVED IN DUMPED IN A BUNCH OF DIRT AND SAND AND GRAVEL BUILDING THAT ROAD UP BEFORE HE PAVED IT. SO WE HAD DUMP TRUCKS LITERALLY ALMOST IN OUR BACKYARD AND DUMPING DUST GOING ALL OVER OUR POOL AND BACKYARD AND EVERYTHING. THEY STARTED AT THREE IN THE MORNING WITH THE LIGHTS GOING ON IN OUR BEDROOM. ALL HOURS OF THE MORNING. START THAT BACK AND FORTH BACK AND FORTH. THEY BUILT THAT ROAD UP SO HIGH THAT ANY SMALLER FENCE ÃÃIT'S NOT EVEN OFFENSE ANYMORE. YOU CAN STILL SEE PEOPLE WALKING BY WITH THEIR HEADS PASSED MY PROPERTY. MY SON DOES NOT KICK THE BALL SOCCER BALL IN THE BACKYARD.

WE DO NOT THROW THE BALL FOR THE DOG ON THE WEEKENDS AT NIGHT.

IT'S DANGEROUS. I MEAN YOU JUST SCARED. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOMETHING IN YOU CAN SEE SOMETHING THE FERRIS AND SIMMONS CANNOT RETALIAE.

SO I JUST HOPE YOU GUYS TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. PLEASE LET US KNOW.

THANK YOU. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. WE ARE BACK.

MR. GREEN I'M READY TO MOTION. >> GO AHEAD. >> GIVEN MY GREAT NEIGHBORS ÃÃ WILL BE COME BACK [INDISCERNIBLE] I'M READY FOR.

SO WITH THAT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE REMIND AHMAD Ã23Ä7 COURT ST. JOHN'S FENCE BASED ON FINDINGS AND FACTS AND CONDITIONS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND REAL QUICK.

>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF REAL QUICK. I APOLOGIZE.

>> I JUST WANTED TO KNOW FOR THE OWNER OF THE MARINA ÃÃIS REQUIREMENT FOR HIS OR AND I - APOLOGIZE. FOR HIS PROPERTY AS WELL. SEEMS LIKE

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> I PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT. I GUESS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE I GUESS THERE'S ROUGHLY SUPPOSED TO BE 20 FEET MEDIUM SCREENING STANDARD SCREEN STANDARD B. DUE TO THE MARINA IN THE BARN ITSELF AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IT NEVER REALLY WAS ESTABLISHED AND WE ARE NOT REALLY SURE GOING BACK INTO THE COMMERCIAL PLANS WHERE IT WAS LIKE OVER THINGS. BASICALLY TO CREATE SOME SORT OF BARRIER SCREENING IN THAT

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PSTANDARD TO BE OFFENSE AT THE MINIMUM. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

GO AHEAD AND REGISTERED TO VOTE. >> THAT MOTION PASSES.

CONGRATULATIONS, YOU HAVE YOUR EIGHT FOOT FENCE.

[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU!

[APPLAUSE] >> ALL RIGHT. ON TO ITEM 4.

[INDISCERNIBLE] ANYBODY HAVE AN EXPERT TAKE? >> NO.

>> I DID A SITE VISIT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR. 2225 A1 A SOUTH.

WITH ME HERE IS RON MCDONALD. HIS IN ENGINEER IN OUR OFFICE THAT HAS BEEN DOING SUBSTANTIAL WORK IN THIS PROJECT. SOME GHETTO AND PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION.

WE ARE REALLY HERE DUE TO A CHANGE IN OPEN SPACE TO PD THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE IN 1998.

THAT RESULTED FROM AN INCREASE [INDISCERNIBLE] I'LL LET RON GIVE THE

PRESENTATION AND I'LL BE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> LIKE YOU SAID ÃÃRON MCDONALD ÃÃ2225 A1 A SOUTH. SAINT AUSTIN. AGAIN, WE ARE HERE FOR TEST

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THEY DO A LARGE SCALE IN CONSTRUCTION ION MAINTENANCE AND MATERIAL.

THE SAINT AUGUSTINE FACILITY WILL BE USED FOR THE DISTRIBUTION OF MAINTENANCE OF PLANTS, MATERIALS, AND EQUIPMENT LIKE THAT. IT'S A SMALL 2400 SQUARE-FOOT OFFICE AND SHOP. OUR SITE HERE IS LOCATED WEST OF U.S. ONE OFF OF IDP AND SPECIFICALLY [INDISCERNIBLE] WAY.

AND LIKE I SAID THE GREENERY IS THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

OUR SITE IS 2.9 ACRES. FOR SLIDE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER IS LISTED THERE.

THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE OF THE SLIDE IS INDUSTRIAL. YOU CAN SEE IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USE ALL INDUSTRIAL. AS WELL AS THE EXISTING ZONING MAP HERE ÃÃZONE PUD CURRENTLY SURROUNDED BY PUD AND INDUSTRIAL OR.

SOME BACKGROUND ON PUD, LIKE MATT MENTIONED THE ORIGINAL PUD IS PUD 19 9808 12 TECHNOLOGY CENTER AT ST. MARK'S. IT WAS EFFECTIVE AND [INDISCERNIBLE] WHICH ESTABLISHED THE REZONING OF 48 ACRES OF OPEN RURAL AND INDUSTRIAL TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THERE WAS A MINOR MODERATE THAT WAS RECORDED IN 2011.

IT WAS FOR SPECIFIC THINGS IN THE CHURCH AND ALLOWED PERSONAL SPECIAL USES AND IA BW.

SPECIFICALLY PUD ALLOWS FOR 50 PERCENT OF THE DEVELOP MEANT TO BE INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE CATEGORIZING HERE. INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE PERMITTED USES ÃÃPERMITTED STORAGE WHICH WE FALL UNDER. SO TO OUR MINOR MODERATE REQUEST, WE HAVE A PUD OR MBP THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2022. IN FRONT OF THE SCREEN HERE YOU CAN SEE IT.

AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL ADJUSTMENT APPLICATION THAT WE REQUESTED AND IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. UP TO THE RIGHT HERE YOU COULD SEE THE CHANGE WITH THE NOW UPGRADED IN OCTOBER COUNTY STAFF REACHED OUT TO US. LET US KNOW THAT THIS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE A MINOR MODIFICATION.E'VE BEEN THROUGH COMMERCIAL PLANS AND THIS IS KIND OF OUR LAST COMMENT HERE TO BE APPROVED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

SPECIFICALLY CHANGES WAS DUE TO OPEN SPACE. AND THIS OCCURRED WHEN THE DISTRICT CONNECTED THE SITE VISIT. EARLIER THIS YEAR.

AND YOU COULD SEE HERE IN 2017 IS WHAT WE WERE DESIGNED BASED OFF OF AND IN 2023 THE WETLANDS CHANGED. THE AREA CHANGED 1.1 ACRES AND ALSO PUT IN THE ADDITION OF [INDISCERNIBLE] ARE WETLANDS ARE MADE UP OF PINELANDS AND SWEETGUM AND READ MAPLE AS WELL. CURRENTLY WE HAVE GONE THROUGH MOST OF OUR ACCOUNTANTS WITH THE DISTRCT AND WE ARE WAITING ON APPROVAL BASED ON THE MITIGATION CREDITS.

AND AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE MINOR MODIFICATION OF THE OPEN SPACE REDUCTION DUE TO THE CHANGE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL

LINE.> DOCTOR HILLSENBECK? >> I THINK Y'ALL ARE PUTTING THIS BUSINESS IN A 3800 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING IN THE RIGHT PLACE. OBVIOUSLY AT ST. MARK'S POND INDUSTRIAL PARK. SO I'M GLAD WE HAVE THAT PARK IN THE COUNTY.

IT'S PROBABLY UNDERUTILIZED, BUT I AM INTERESTED IN THAT ÃÃ I AM SHOCKED AT THE WETLAND INCREASED DOUBLED BY THE ST. JOHN'S DISTRICT CALCULATIONS ON DELINEATING THAT WETLAND.

Y'ALL ARE NOW GOING TO BE FORCED TO BASICALLY DESTROY THE ENTIRE WETLAND TO PUT IN THAT LARGE HOLDING POND. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT REALLY NECESSARY TO INSTALL THAT LARGE HOLDING POND? IT SEEMS UNNECESSARY FOR 3800

SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING SOUTH OF THAT. >> THAT POND DID NOT CHANGE

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IN THE AREA CANNOT BE CHANGED TO MAKE THIS SITE VIABLE FOR THE GREENERY SPECIFICALLY.

AND THIS IS THE SMALL END OF THEIR SITE THAT YOU CAN DO AND FOR THAT IT WAS NOT UPON IT CHANGING. IT WAS JUST IN ORDER TO MAKE THE PLAY OUTFIT.

THAT POND IS PRETTY MUCH IN THE SAME SPOT AND WE HAD TO IMPACT THE WETLANDS BECAUSE THEY GREW.

>> I'M JUST NOT A BIG FAN OF HOLDING PONDS TO BEGIN WITH. THEY ARE WAY OVERDONE.

I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE WETLAND NATURALLY ABSORB ANY RUNOFF AND ALL THAT.

IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HOLDING POND, YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE IT. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE OVERKILL.

BUT GOOD LUCK WITH IT. [LAUGHTER]

I APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. >> DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 4?

SEEING NONE WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? FOR THE STAFF? I'M SORRY. IS THERE ANY MASTER PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE ST. MARK'S POND INDUSTRIAL PARK AREA? DO Y'ALL HAVE A VISION FOR THAT KIND OF MASTER PLAN TO ATTRACT SOME NEW BUSINESS IN THERE AND WHERE IT SHOULD GO?

IS IT PIECEMEAL? >> I BELIEVE IT'S PRIMARILY PIECEMEAL.

IT'S DESIGNATED INDUSTRIAL ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. SO WHEN LAND PROPERTIES COME IN, THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO THE PROPERTY AND IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, WE LET THEM

GO TO THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN. >> WHAT'S THE BUILDOUT ON THAT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF

THE WHOLE INDUSTRIAL PARK IS UTILIZED? >> I DO NOT.

>> OKAY. IS IT 20 PERCENT OR 50 OR DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA?

>> I DO NOT. I CAN TRY TO GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU.

>> THAT'S FINE. >> I DO NOT HAVE THEM TODAY DURING THE MEETING.

>> THAT'S FINE. I'M KIDDING.I APPRECIATE IT. LAUGHTER]

>> YES. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATION 2023Ä9 GREENERY BASED UPON SIX AND SEVEN CONDITIONS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL IN A SECOND.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? >> I WAS COMMENCING TO DR. HILLSENBECK THAT THERE IS A

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AND THERE'S ONLY TWO THAT BUILT ANYTHING. IT'S JUST SITTING THERE VACANT.

OF THE TWO THAT ARE THERE SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF SUCCESS. BUT THE REST APPEARS TO BE FOR

SALE. >> IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE REGISTER THE BOAT. PERMISSION PASSES. THANK YOU.

ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. MR. OLSON? IS THERE ANY X PARQUET FROM THE

AGENCY? >> I DID DO A SITE VISIT. >> THANK YOU.

>> HELLO EVERYBODY. I AM MRS. OLSON. I AM THE MANAGER OF SWI, WE ARE AT THE ASSIST COMPANY. THE REASON FOR THIS CHANGE IS THAT THEY ARE ALL CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON. BAKER. TWO OF THOSE LAWS ARE ALREADY ZONED AS A COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE LOT WITH ONE REMAINING LOT BEING A RURAL LOT.

AND ALL WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS KIND OF GET THEM ALL ZONED TO BE THE SAME.

IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER SINCE WE ARE KIND OF FUNCTIONING AS ONE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.

IT MAKES IT MORE CONDUCIVE FOR A FENCING BUSINESS FOR OUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.

THERE IS NO CHANGE AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE TO BUILD ANYTHING OR BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS FROM NEW NEIGHBORS WORRIED ABOUT US WEARING BOTH THE LANDSCAPING AND REMOVING TREES. THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT OUR PLAN AT ALL. WE LOVE THE TREES THAT SURROUND OUR PROPERTIES.

IT MAKES US GOOD NEIGHBORS TO OUR NEIGHBORS OUT THERE BY NOT HAVING VISIBLE ÃÃSINCE WE HAVE TAKEN OVER AND SORT OF OPERATING AT THAT FACILITY. WE ACTUALLY HAD DONE A LOT OF WORK TO MAKE SURE WE'VE DONE IMPROVEMENTS. WE WANT THE AREA TO LOOK NICE.

WE WANT THE TREES TO BE HEALTHY AND YOU KNOW EVERY THING NEEDS PTO BE TRIMMED BACK.

WE HAVE NOTICED SINCE TAKING OVER A VERY BIG CHANGE AND IT BEING UP AND THINGS LIKE BUGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. TICS ARE A LOT BETTER NOW THAT THE PROPERTY IS BEING

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THAT'S REALLY IT. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO ZONE THEM ALL FOR THE SAME ÃÃTHE SAME

TYPE OF PLAN. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]

P>> WE ARE THERE. THERE'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE I KNOW YOU MAY THINK OH, IF WE CHANGE THIS, YOU MAY HAVE MORE NOISE OR MORE TRAFFIC. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.

WE ARE GOING TO BE OPERATING THE SAME EXACT WAY AS WE CURRENTLY ARE.

THERE IS NOT TO BE ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC OR LARGER VEHICLES OR MORE NOISE.

NOTHING LIKE THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE. >> OKAY.

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? DOCTOR HILLSENBECK? >> SO THERE'S A FENCING COMPANY OPERATING ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. PIS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES. OUR COMPANY IS CALLED SWI FENCE AND WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING THERE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW. WANT TO SAY THEY WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS.

MAYBE LONGER THAN THAT. >> OKAY. YOUR CLIENT HAD TWO APPLICATIONS OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS AND NOTHING HAPPENED WITH IT.

EITHER THEY WITHDREW THEM OR THEY EXPIRED? >> REALLY CANNOT SAY.

I'M NOT SURE. MARK OLSON HAD IT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY HE'S THE OWNER OF SWI FENCE. BAKER IS AN ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNER.

SHE HAS HAD THESE PROPERTIES FOR A WHILE. I DON'T THINK THEY WERE REALLY DOING MUCH WITH THEM BEFORE BECAME UNTIL WE'VE TAKEN OVER RIGHT IN OUR BUSINESS AT THE

AREA RIGHT NOW. >> IT'S A HOT CORRIDOR RIGHT THERE MA'AM.

>> WE HAVE.T'S 1020 AND 1040 AND 1060. 1040 AND 1060 ARE THE LOTS THAT ARE ALREADY ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE. IT'S JUST THE LAST REMAINING

ONE THAT'S MARKED DIFFERENTLY. >> I GUESS THERE WAS JUST ONE THAT WAS MARKED DIFFERENTLY.

SEE IT. >> SO THOSE TWO. WITH THE STATE ROAD 312 EXTENSION, IT'S PLANNED TO COME RIGHT THROUGH THERE. JUST BARELY TO THE WEST OF YOUR PROPERTY. OR MAYBE EVEN THROUGH YOUR OLD PROPERTY.

ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS EITHER GOING TO BUY THAT PROPERTY OR POSSIBLY CONDEMN THE PROPERTY? THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF 312?

>> WE HAVE HEARD THAT THERE ARE SOME PLANS FOR BUILDING THE ROAD AND THEY MIGHT BE ENTRUSTING THE PROPERTY TO THE LEFT. WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING THAT'S ACTUALLY CONCRETE AND MADE ACTUAL PLANS YET. JUST TALK.

WE ARE NOT PRESENTING ANY KIND OF IMPACT AT THIS TIME. >> OKAY.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE JAN TRENT THEM COME OUT? HOW FIRM IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PATH THAT IS GOING TO COME CLOSE OR THROUGH THAT PROPERTY? IS THAT ETCHED IN STONE? OR IS IT REALLY VAGUE? IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT ÃÃI WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

>> THERE WE GO. ON THIS SIDE OF STATE ROUTE 16, I THINK WHERE WE ARE AT THE CROSS OF STATE ROUTE 16 IS SET. I DON'T THINK THEY REQUIRED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY YET.

THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO BUY THE PROPERTY FROM THIS APPLICANT IF IT'S IMPACTED BY IT.

>> ). >> RIGHT? WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

RIGHT NOW THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY PLANS FOR CONSTRUCTION IN THIS AREA.

>> DOT DOESN'T? IN THE OTHER COUNTY. >> RIGHT.

IT IS A STATE PROJECT, SO IT WOULD BE UP TO THEM. THERE IS NO FUNDING.

>> THERE'S NO FUNDING PAST NORTH OF STATE ROUTE 16? >> FOR CONSTRUCTION, THE ONLY

FUNDING ALLOCATED IS FROM 207 TOTE HOMES BOULEVARD WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.>>

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> THEY HAVE REQUIRED RIGHT-OF-WAY UP TO STATE ROUTE

16. >> RIGHT. UP TO?

>> YES. AND THEN THERE'S PIECES THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE NORTH BY CC3RDOBA PONDS BY U.S. ONE. BUT IN BETWEEN STATE ROUTE 16 IN THERE, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE

REQUIRED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY YET. >> THANKS. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANKS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NONE, WE WILL ASK FOR EXCUSE ME, PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE? OKAY.

SEEING NONE WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY. MR. GREEN?

>> QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. S THIS COMPATIBLE? THE OR WITH THE LAND USE VERSUS

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[6. REZ 2023-17 4656 First Avenue.]

HERE SOMEWHERE. >> THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS FIXED USE.

>> OH, IT IS A FIXED USE? OKAY. WHAT DO I SEE HERE?

>> PART OF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED OR. OUR PROPERTY IS ZONED CI AND THEY ARE REZONING IT TO BRING IT ALL INTO THE CI CLASSIFICATION.

>> I'VE READ THE MAP WRONG. OKAY. >> MR. MADAVINO?

>> IS GOING TO MAKE A PROMOTION.

[INDISCERNIBLE] ACRE PROPERTY BASED ON PROVIDED IN THE STAFFING REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION TO SECOND. ANY WHO OPPOSE? OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE VOTE. ONTO ITEM NUMBER SIX.

ANYONE HAVE ANY EXPERT SE. >> I SPOKE VERY BRIEFLY WITH THE NEIGHBOR.

>> MR. HUGHES? >> HELLO RESPECTED BOARD MEMBERS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY PUT MY NAME IS BLAKELY HUGHES. 283 HOLLAND DRIVE SAINT AUGUSTINE FLORIDA. 3095. TODAY I'M COMING TO YOU TO SEE ABOUT REZONING A LOT TO RS THREE. OUR ADDRESS IS 4656 FIRST AVENUE. THIS IS LOCATED IN THE JACKSON PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOT TOO FAR FROM WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW. THE CAR DEALERSHIP ON U.S. ONE BY THE AIRPORT. IT'S A .34 ACRE OF LAND AND WE WOULD LIKE TO REZONE IT IN GENERAL TO THE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY RS THREE. PROPERTY IN QUESTION DOES BUT UP AGAINST THE AIRPORT PROPERTY. RIGHT HERE.

BUT ALL OF THIS SURROUNDING DIRECTLY UPON THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL ALL AROUND SECOND AVENUE. THIS IS ALSO RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL HERE LOOKS FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA. THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION WAS OWNED BY A FORMER OWNER, BRUCE MCGUIRE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. HE SAT ON THAT BOARD AND HIS INTENTION WAS TO ALWAYS SELL THIS EVENTUALLY TO THE AIRPORT. BUT THEY WOULD NOT BUY IT.

THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN A BLIGHT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A DECADE.

THERE WAS A METH LAB AT THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY RAIDED ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES WAS BROUGHT INTO THE TESTING FACILITY ÃÃTHERE'VE BEEN MULTIPLE BREAK-INS.T'S AN AN ABANDONED STORAGE UNIT. YOU COULD SEE THAT HERE. YOU COULD SEE HERE IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION HERE. SO IT'S JUST TWO ABANDONED STORAGE UNITS AND THIS IS A DEAD END STREET HERE. THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.

THIS HAS BEEN CUT 10 OR 15 TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I OWN SOME AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THREE BEDROOM TWO BATH, 1400 SQUARE FEET. THERE IS MASS IN HERE, COX IN HERE, HEROIN NEEDLES WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE. THE BIG BIG PROBLEM. THERE HAS BEEN TWO ARRESTS IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS FOR GRAND THEFT AUTO FOR AN PEOPLE TRUST PASSING THE I CALLED AND THEN THERE WAS A SHOOTING THERE 45 DAYS AGO. THIS NEIGHBOR IS ACCUSED OF SHOOTING AT HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THIS LOT. SO I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE THIS PLOT AND BUILD A SIMILAR NICE HOME HERE. OUR TWO HOMES HERE AND TWO HOMES HERE.T'S A DOUBLE LOT. AND I DID CALL THE AIRPORT AND SPOKE TO JAMIE BEFORE PURCHASING AND I ASKED IF THERE WOULD BE ANY PUSHBACK FROM THE AIRPORT.

AND HE CALLED I GUESS THEIR ATTORNEY AND TOLD ME I WAS IN HIS OFFICE AND SAID WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE PROPERTY.

SO I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. IT'S A HUGE INVESTMENT. I'M NOT RICH.

AND THEN I PAID $30,000 TO HAVE THIS PULL PERMITS AND I PAID $30,000 TO HAVE THIS ENTIRE SITE DEMOLISHED AND THE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAID THE RIFFRAFF IN THE CRIME AND ALMOST ON BIKES HAS JUST PLUMMETED YOUR DRAMATICALLY IN THE PAST 45 DAYS.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. TWO SMALL TWO BEDROOM TWO BATHROOM HOUSES TO BE PROPOSED AND THAT'S KIND OF A VIEW OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE COMPARED TO WHAT YOU SEE THERE

NOW. >> OKAY. MR. MADAVINO GIVE A QUESTION?

>> YES. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE ARROW PLEASE?

>> YES. >> OKAY. THE AREA.

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>> THE AREA?SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. >> YOU COULD SEE ON FIRST AVENUE THE PAVING AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT GETS STOPPED BEFORE IT GETS TO THE PROPERTY.

IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE IT LINES UP WITH THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON FIRST AVENUE WHERE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS SUGGESTED TO YOUR PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE. IS THAT?

>> SO THIS IS A GIANT PROBABLY 250-YEAR-OLD OAK TREE RIGHT HERE.

THE ROAD ACTUALLY GOES TO RIGHT HERE.HE FENCE. >> IT EXISTS.

>> IT'S ON THE PROPERTY LINE PER THE ROAD GOES RIGHT TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND DAN AT THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE SAID THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE WATER TO BOTH OF THESE BECAUSE I ACTUALLY PAID TO EXTEND THE LINE PREVIOUSLY DOWN NORTH ALL THE WAY UP TO THIS HOUSE. AND SO THEY SAID THEY WOULD EXTEND THE WATER TO THESE TWO

PROPERTIES. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

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PROVIDED TO THE AGENCY, MR. MADAVINO? >> THE APPROVAL OF OUR EASY 2023Ä746 56 FIRST AVENUE BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACTS AS PROVIDED IN THIS STAFF REPORT.

>> ADDITION FOR APPROVAL IN A SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I'M DELIGHTED TO SEE THOSE TWO GO. TURN THEM DOWN.

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT MOTION PASSES. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> ONTO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EXPERTISE? >> I DO.

SITE VISIT AND I SPOKE WITH AN EMPLOYEE OUT THERE IN THEIR MODEL HOME.

AND I HAVE NOT HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> I HAD A LENGTHY PHONE CALL YESTERDAY WITH RANDY MARTIN

NEWSY ABOUT THE MERITS OF THE CHANGES TO THE PPE. >> I ALSO SPOKE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON WITH RANDY MARTIN NEWSY AND WE HAD A VERY NICE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THE CROSS ACCESS AND CURRENT LAND USES AND NUMBER OF HOUSES AND RETHINK ABOUT IT.

SO ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] >> ANYONE ELSE? I SPOKE WITH MR. MARTIN NEWSY YESTERDAY AND HE DISCUSSED THE APPLICATION FOR LITTLE BIT.

THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM RANDY MARTIN NEWSY ÃÃAS AN AGENT I AM [INDISCERNIBLE] INVESTMENT, I AM SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL OR THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SANDY CREEK MAJOR MOD 2022Ä2.

I WILL TRY TO GET THROUGH THE FIRST SLIDES QUICK. THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

IT ABUTS I-95 AND IS SOUTH OF CO2 10. IT'S MIXED USE IS AS WELL TO THE NORTH ALL THE WAY UP TO CO2 OUR 10 TRICT. THE PARCELS IN UESTION ÃÃTHE PIPE IS ACTUALLY THE ÃÃ THERE'S A PUD AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE CHT PROPERTY THAT WE ARE GOING TO USE FOR A SECONDARY ACCESS ÃÃTHE CHT PROPERTY WILL NOT BECOME PART OF THE PUD ALTHOUGH AFTER WE SUBMITTED AFTER SOMEBODY GAVE ME A GREAT IDEA THAT IT WOULD HAVE HELPED WITH RESPECT TO ONE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES.

BUT I HOPE WE CAN STILL GET THERE WITHOUT DOING THAT. SO THIS IS A LITTLE ZERO IN A LITTLE BIT ON THE YOU COULD SEE THE PUD AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE ROADS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE ARE ALREADY CONSTRUCTED AND PLATTED. IT'S PLATTED FOR 383 HOMES AT THIS POINT. EVERYTHING AS WE GO EVERYTHING AS WE GO TO THE WEST IS VACANT LAND WITHIN THE PUD. THE RED PARCEL THAT YOU SEE ON TOP IS THE PARCEL THAT WE OBTAINED BACK IN 2005 OR 2006. AND THEN IN 2020 WE WERE ABLE TO GET A LITTLE LEG THAT WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL. SO ÃÃTHE QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE HERE?WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO WITH THE BODY? AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IS ORIGINALLY, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE 2017 MOD ÃÃIN ORDER TO GO

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WHEN DR HORTON OR THROUGH FOUR-STAR, IT'S DEVELOPMENT COMPANY CREATED BRIDGEWATER AND THEN THEY TOOK CE WILSON AND BROUGHT IN EXTENDED CE WILSON AND BROUGHT IT TO 250 FEET TO THE PARCEL UP TOP.

SO THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN AS IT'S APPROVED AND AS I WANTED TO JUST SHOW AGAIN ÃÃTHIS IS THE LAND THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE IS THE VACANT PARCELS.

AS WELL IS THE MULTI FAMILY. SO AS WE SIT RIGHT NOW LIKE I WAS SAYING ÃÃWHY ARE WE HERE? WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE'VE REACHED THE 383 PLATTED HOUSES. WE NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD THE SECONDARY ACCESS AND THAT FREES UP THE ABILITY TO PUT IN 435 ÃÃ35 MULTI FAMILY UNITS WITHIN THE PART THAT I PUT THE X AND THEN THE INDUSTRIAL IS ENTITLED 487,000 SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL UPON UPON THE SECONDARY ACCESS GOING IN.

SO WHAT ARE WE DOING ÃÃWE ORIGINALLY WHEN I NEEDED TO PUT THE ROAD IN ÃÃI CAME IN FOR A MINOR MOD.XPECTING I CAN HANDLE IT THROUGH A MINOR MOD IT TO GET THE PUD CHANGED SO WE COULD FREE UP THE FREE UP THE ENTITLEMENTS AND AT THE HEARING ÃÃIT WAS DETERMINED AND THE STAFF WAS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE DOING IT THROUGH A MINOR MOD. THEY WANTED A FULL REVIEW FOR YOURSELVES AND THE STAFF IN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE OF THE FAILURE OF CR 210 AT THE CURRENT TIME AND THE WAY THINGS ARE WORKING. SO AT THAT POINT WENT BACK AND TALKED TO MY PRINCIPAL AND SAID WE HAVE TO DO A MINOR MOD. WE CANNOT DO AS A MINOR MOD.

WE DO AS A MAJOR ÃÃIF WE DO IT MAJOR, WE BETTER FIGURE THAT OUT.

THIS WAS ORIGINALLY FIGURED OUT IN 2003. SO IT'S BEEN 20 YEARS.

IT'S GONE THROUGH I THINK THREE OR FOUR MODS. AND THIS SHOULD BE THE FINAL MOD. SINCE WE HAD TO DO THE MAJOR Ã ÃWE SAID WHAT WE NEED TO DO? AND AS AFTER WE KNEW WE DID THE MAJOR MOD, WE HAD TWO DOWN-HOME MEETINGS.T THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS ÃÃWE DECIDED INDUSTRIAL IS NOT THE PROPER THING TO STAY WITH TODAY'S 383 IS A VERY HIGH END HOUSES PUT IN AN INDUSTRIAL BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL IS JUST WRONG. AND I THINK MANY OF THE 380 PEOPLE THAT HAVE PURCHASED HOMES IN THEIR WOULD ACTUALLY SAY IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE. SO WHEN WE HAVE THE MEETING AND WE SAID THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO ÃÃBECAUSE WE WANT THE COMMUNITIES SUPPORT ON THIS. WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE ÃÃWE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE PARCEL THAT WE HAVE THAT'S CURRENTLY MULTI FAMILY AND WE ARE GOING TO BREAK THAT IN HALF.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT TOTALLY IN HALF, BUT WE ARE GOING TO PUT A 20 ACRE PASSIVE PARK ACROSS FROM THE CURRENT PARK AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE 30 ACRES THAT REMAIN IN THE MULTI FAMILY AND WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE UNITS DOWN TO 320. AND THEN FROM THERE ÃÃWE WERE GOING TO TAKE THE BALANCE OF THE THREE OR 435 WHICH IS 115 AND THEN WE WOULD JUST ADD 190 SO WE CREATE A COMMUNITY. PARTMENT DEVELOPERS AND CONDO DEVELOPERS ÃÃTHEY HAVE THIS MAGIC NUMBER THAT THEY WOULD LIKE BETWEEN 280Ö00 OR 320 MAX IS WHAT THEY REALLY WANT FOR THEIR SUBDIVISIONS. SO WE DECIDED INSTEAD OF HAVING 435 IN 190 ÃÃWE WOULD LIKE TO BREAK IT UP AND CREATE TWO THINGS THAT WOULD PROVIDE A GOOD COMMUNITY SO THAT THE DEVELOPERS WHO COME IN TO BUILD THE APARTMENTS OR THE TOWNHOUSES WOULD BE ABLE TO GET

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I SAID THAT'S WORTH 9 MILLION Ã $12 MILLION. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? AND THE RESPONSE OF MR. SUMMA NECK WAS FIRST OF ALL THE FIRST TOWN HALL MEETING WAS BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND I'M HOPING THAT AS WE FINISH THIS PRESENTATION AND GET THROUGH IT ÃÃYOU DO AGREE THAT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

SO AS PART OF THAT RIGHT THING THAT WE'RE DOING IS IF YOU SEE THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN CHIEF FIVE ÃÃTHIS IS PUT IN RED. THIS IS THE CURRENT PARK.

IT HAS A PAVILION. IT HAS OPEN AIR AND IT HAS A GATED CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA.

SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TAKE 20 ACRES THAT IS CURRENTLY TITLED FOR MULTI FAMILY AND WE'RE GOING TO CARVE THAT OUT AND WE WANT TO MAKE THAT A WE ARE CALLING IT CENTRAL PARK.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE A PASSIVE PARK. I PERSONALLY MET WITH CHRISTINE MUNNS AND ST. JOHN'S WATER DISTRICT AND TOLD HER WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THIS INTO CONSERVATION. BUT AT THE SAME TIME THIS IS OLD BLOGGING TRAILS AND ACRES THAT WOULD MAKE A REALLY NICE PASSIVE PARK. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO CUT ANYTHING THROUGH FOR THE MOST PART. WE MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF MODIFICATIONS WITHIN THEREFORE INTERCONNECTIVITY. OF THE TRAILS.

UT IT'S VERY MINIMAL AS IS WITH MINIMAL IMPACTS. BUT THEN THE SECOND THING WE DID IS WE CREATED A 30 ACRE PARCEL AND ON THIS 30 ACRE PARCEL WE REDUCED AS I SAID THE UNIT COUNT DOWN TO 320. THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT A PICTURE OF THE PASSIVE PARK, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IT WOULD LOOK LIKE BECAUSE OF THE LOGGING TRAILS.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SEE WHEN WE REDUCED DOWN TO 320 ÃÃ THIS IS AN ACTUAL CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S BEING WORKED ON BY A COMPANY THAT'S SEARCHING TO BUY IT.

WE HAVE A COMPANY UNDER CONTRACT. AND AS YOU COULD SEE WITHIN THIS 30 ACRES, EVERYTHING IS SPREAD OUT VERY NICE. AND THAT IS ÃÃIT'S NOT STACKED. IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WE SEE IN BEACH WALK WHERE THEY ARE ALL ABUTTING EACH OTHER ON TOP. SANDY CREEK IS WOVEN AND INTERWOVEN WITHIN WETLANDS. IF WE GO BACK AND I'LL SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT.

WHEN WE GET TO THIS THING ÃÃ YOU WILL SEE THE ROADS SPREAD OUT.

THE SUBDIVISION AND HOUSES ARE NOT ON EACH OTHER AND AS YOU SEE OUR NEW SITE PLAN WE KEEP THAT SAME SYNERGY. SO THESE BUILDINGS ARE SPREAD OUT.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL OF THE PROPERTY I'M CIRCLING RIGHT NOW IS ALREADY SUBJECT TO A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. WE ACTUALLY MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS OVER THE LAST YEAR WITH ST. JOHN WATER MANAGEMENT. SO AS WE NOW HAVE IT ÃÃTHIS ENTIRE WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IS A CONCEPTUAL HAS ZERO IMPACTS. THIS IS THE INDUSTRIAL PARCEL.

SO WITH RESPECT TO THE INDUSTRIAL PARCEL ÃÃTHE MULTI FAMILY IS 305 UNITS AND THEN WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY THREE PODS OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY WHICH IS 74 HOUSES.

WHEN WE HAD THE TOWN HALL ÃÃ ONE OF THE THINGS IN ADDITION TO OBJECTING TO THE INDUSTRIAL AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE DID NOT EVEN REALIZE THAT THERE WAS A POD AND INDUSTRIAL WAS IN THE POD. ALTHOUGH THAT'S A CLOSING DOCUMENT.

THEY REALLY SAID WELL, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT MULTI FAMILY, WE DO NOT WANT TO ABUTTING OUR PROPERTY. SO THIS PART THAT I'M CIRCLING RIGHT HERE ÃÃTHIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE ÃÃIT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SANDY CREEK PHASE 2E.

THESE PEOPLE SAID WE DON'T WANT IT. SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE PUT THE ACCESS ROAD WHICH RIGHT HERE IS SANDY CREEK BOULEVARD. WE TOOK THE ACCESS ROAD AND WE PUT ALL THE NEW APARTMENTS ON THE 30 ACRE PARCEL THAT ABUTS I-95.

AND WE KEPT IT AWAY FROM THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL SO WE HAD A NATURAL BEAUTIFUL BUFFER

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WE HAVE HAY. THIS MAJOR AREA I CAN SHOW YOU HERE AND WE HAVE AN AERIAL OVERVIEW REALLY WHAT WAS BEING USED FOR HATE YEARS AGO. AND NOW IT'S STARTING O ÃÃ THIS IS HOW IT LOOKED IN 2020. MY UNDERSTANDING IS I'VE BEEN WITH THE COMPANY SINCE 21.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN HAYED IN A COUPLE YEARS.

BUT IT'S STARTING TO GROW SOME VEGETATION. AND THAT'S WHERE WE PUT MOST OF THE ESSENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE BROUGHT IT RIGHT INTO HERE AND THIS IS THE UPLAND WOODED AREA HERE. THAT HAS MINING ROADS PRODUCED TWO MINING ROADS THAT ARE 50 FEET APART. OR LOGGING ROADS. I SAID MINING.

LOGGING ROADS THAT ARE 50 FEET APART AND WE PUT THAT RIGHT IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO ROADS.

SO WE DID WHAT WE COULD TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE OF PARCEL AT CHT. THIS AERIAL VIEW ESSENTIALLY SHOWS YOU HOW HOUSE E HAS BEEN EXTENDED BY MOVING A PARKWAY. THIS IS THE 250 FOOT PARCEL THAT IS JUST OUTLINED ON THE SCREEN. THAT 250 FOOT IS WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN. IN 2020 SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY CONNECT TO MOVE A PARKWAY AND PUT IN THE SECONDARY ACCESS. IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT ÃÃONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DID. ACTUALLY AT THIS POINT, THE SECONDARY ACCESS, WE FULLY ENGINEERED, IT'S FULLY APPROVED WITH ONE OPEN COMMON IN THE LAST OPEN COMMON WITH RESPECT TO THAT IS FROM PLANNING AND ZONING SAYING TO GET APPROVAL AND I'M GONNA PARAPHRASE. AND I HOPE I DO THIS CORRECTLY. BUT TO GET OUR APPROVAL FOR A PERMIT SO THAT WE COULD CLEAR AND PUT THE SECONDARY ACCESS IN THAT WE NEED THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER APPROVAL. SO WE ARE READY TO GO. AS A MATTER OF FACT ÃÃWHEN DR HORTON PUT IN THE PARKWAY, WE USED A STATE ENGINEER. SO WE HAVE ALREADY PUT IN THE RIGHT HAND TURN LANE THAT WOULD CONNECT RIGHT HERE.O WE ARE READY HAVE A D CELL RIGHT TURN LANE THAT WAS PUT IN BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE TO GO IN AND PUT MOON BAY PARKWAY IN AND HAVE ALL THE STORMWATER SET HAVE IN ALL THE CURB AND GUTTER IN AND THEN WE WOULD TEAR IT OUT HOPEFULLY WITHIN 2Ö MONTHS FROM NOW. IT WAS A GAMBLE ON OUR PART.

BUT WE ARE HOPING WHILE WE BELIEVE THIS ROAD HAS TO GO THROUGH IT IT'S NEEDED AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND. BUT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PUT IN.

YOU WILL SEE THAT ON SANDY CREEK PARKWAY ÃÃWE PUT IN A TRAFFIC CIRCLE.

WITHIN OUR SUBDIVISION WHEN WE HAD THE TOWN MEETING, WE HAD A TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND HE SAID COULD YOU GUYS LOOK AT DOING AN EVALUATION OF A TRAFFIC CIRCLE? WE CALLED ON OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. JACK HALL'S BERG FROM KIMBERLY HORN AND HE DID A STUDY.

AND WHEN WE DID A STUDY ÃÃYOU WILL SEE WHEN WE ADDED THE ROUNDABOUT ÃÃWE WENT FROM ÃÃ WE HAD A CBA AA GRADE ALONG SANDY CREEK PARKWAY AND AS WELL AS THE SANDY CROSSING AND WHEN WE PUT IN THE ROUNDABOUT, WE ENDED UP GETTING A'S STRAIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD AND PEAK HOURS. SO BASED ON THAT ÃÃWE MET WITH THE COUNTY.

AND WE SAID WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THE ROUNDABOUTS IN. WE GOT VERY LUCKY.

SANDY CREEK PARKWAY IS 100 FOOT RIGHT AWAY. WE COULD GET 100 FOOT AND WE CAN ACCOMMODATE A 50 FOOT SEMI TRAILER WITH TRACTOR. IT WILL ACCOMMODATE EVERYTHING.

IT'S NOT A SMALL TRAFFIC CIRCLE. IT'S A FULL LONG TRAFFIC

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SO WE PUT IN A SECOND TRAFFIC CIRCLE. LIKE I SAID THIS IS ALL ENGINEERED AND READY TO GO. WE WILL PERMIT IT AS SOON AS WE GET THE BOARD OF COUNTY APPROVAL. THAT IS REQUIRED PER THE OPEN COMMENT CURRENTLY.

NOW CR 210. THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF REPORT FOCUSES ON ON CR 210.

THE QUESTION IS WILL THIS CROSSING HELP CR 210? AND THE PROBLEMS THAT CR 210.

FIRST OF ALL WHEN WE LOOK AT IT ÃÃTHE COMMON ÃÃI THINK YOU HAVE ONE EMAIL THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU IN YOUR PACKAGE. THE PERSON SENT THE EMAIL AND THIS IS A COMMON THING THAT WE HEARD AT EVERY TOWN HALL MEETING IS WHEN WE HIT PEAK HOURS MORNING OR NIGHT AND WE ARE EITHER TRYING TO GET OUT OF OUR SUBDIVISION AND WE GET TO CR 210, IT'S BOTTLE MAPPED BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW IN FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY IS FOUR LANES AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO TWO LANES AFTER YOU CROSS OVER MOON BAY BEFORE GOES BACK UP TO SIX LANES AT BEACH WALK. SO ALL BOTTLENECKS AND WHEN OUR PEOPLE WANT TO GET TO WESTBOUND OR GET THE I-95, THEY HAVE TO GET ALL QUEUED UP ON SANTA CREEK PARKWAY AND THEN THEY HAVE TO FIGHT ACROSS THE TWO LANES AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GET IN A QUEUE TO GET A U-TURN THAT HAS BIG TRUCKS DOING IT. IT'S REALLY A DISASTER. I DO NOT KNOW IF THERE HAVE BEEN FATALITIES. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACCIDENTS HAVE BEEN THERE.

BUT I DO KNOW THAT EVERYONE COULD JUST TAKE DEFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP IS A HELP. SO BY HAVING THE ABILITY TO DO THE CROSSING NOW ÃÃOUR PEOPLE WILL NOW BE ABLE TO CUT ACROSS ANY CROSSING AND GET ON MOON BAY PARKWAY AND THEN THEY WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT. AT A SIGNAL LIGHT AND THAT WILL TOTALLY TAKE ALL OF OUR ÃÃNOW ÃÃWE WOULD ASSUME THAT NONPEAK HOURS THEY ARE STILL GOING TO OPT TO DO THE U-TURN.

OKAY? SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO OPT TO DO IT BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR CHARACTER AND THEY ARE AGGRESSIVE. BUT WE HAVE A VERY OLD DEMOGRAPHIC AND SOMEWHAT. MANY OF THEM WE ARE VERY CONCERNED AND INTIMIDATED BY CR 210. AND WE REALLY HOPE I CAN PASS ON THIS BECAUSE THIS CROSSING NEEDS TO BE PUT IN. ALSO IF YOU ARE COMING WESTBOUND ON CR 210, YOU CANNOT MAKE A LEFT INTO SANDY CREEK ANYMORE. YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH I-95 INTERSECTION, DO A U-TURN, AND THEN COME BACK AND HIT THAT LIGHT.

NOT ONLY IS THAT AN INCONVENIENCE TO OUR PEOPLE, BUT IT'S ALSO PUTTING UNNEEDED TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION INTO THAT INTERSECTION. SO BY GRANTING THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION AND ACCEPTING THIS ÃÃWE WOULD ALLOW OUR TRAFFIC TO NOW MAKE THE LEFT-HAND TURN INTO MOON BAY PARKWAY. COME DOWN TO THAT LANE THAT'S ALREADY IN AND HIT THE CROSSING AND COME OVER TO SANDY CREEK AND THEN GO HOME. NOW WE REALIZE THAT THERE'S PROBLEMS THAT 210. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS WE'VE ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES AND I KNOW TONS OF OUR OWNERS HAVE SAID WHEN IS CR 210 GOING TO BE FIXED? AND I WAS TOLD THAT SOME FUNDING HAS BEEN PROVIDED RECENTLY TO DEAL WITH THE TWO LANE PORTION OF IT. BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE FOUR LANE ÃÃWE SEE THAT YOU NOT Ã ÃAND THIS IS JUST BASED UPON THE ROAD IMPACT FEES THAT ARE REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE.

I REALIZE THERE'S CONCURRENCY AND CONCURRENCY AGREEMENTS ARE GOING TO CHANGE THAT.

BUT ALL IN ALL BETWEEN THE SANDY CREEK POT OF WHAT WE'VE EARLY PUT UP ÃÃBRIDGEWATER AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ÃÃTHE ROAD IMPACT FEES ARE NEARLY 16 MILLION.

NOW IN THAT RESPECT ÃÃONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID AND ARE DOING WHEN WE ARE DOING THE TYPES OF LANGUAGE IS AND SHE'S HERE. SO IT WAS A GREAT CONCERN TO MS. TRAN THUMP THAT THE LANGUAGE IN THE TEXT NOTES THAT WHEN WE GO FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ÃÃTHAT CONCURRENCY FOR FIXING THAT LEG IN FRONT OF US IS NOT WAIVED BY THE COUNTY AND THAT IT WILL BE PART OF THE CALCULATION AND WE ACTUALLY PUT LANGUAGE WITHIN THE PUD FOR THAT. AND IF YOU WERE TO GO TO PAGE 7 OF THE I'LL ACTUALLY PUT IT UP

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WE COULD NOT FIX IT ALL WITH THIS PUD MOD, BUT WE CAN HELP. THE OTHER THING THAT I DID WANT TO NOTE ALSO IS WHEN WE STARTED FIGURING OUT THE MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR IMPACT FEES, IF WE WERE TO LEAVE THE 487,000 SQUARE-FOOT OF INDUSTRIAL ÃÃ WE WOULD LOSE MOST OF THIS FEATURE CONCURRENCY BECAUSE THE INDUSTRIAL IS NOT SUBJECT TO CONCURRENCY RIGHT NOW.

THAT AT LEAST IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO CONCURRENCY.

THE OTHER THING WE REALLY WANTED TO DO AND I WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT WHEN WE GET RID OF THE INDUSTRIAL AND WE REPLACE IT WITH 190 MULTIFAMILY AND THE 74 HOUSING ÃÃWE WILL ACTUALLY DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COUNTS. AND AS THE PUD STANDS RIGHT NOW, KIMBERLY HORN CREATED TABLE 10 AND THEY SAID THAT OUR TRAFFIC COUNT RIGHT NOW IS 8706 PER DAY. SO TAKING THE TRAFFIC COUNT, I EXTRAPOLATED AND CAME OUT ÃÃ ONE MOMENT ON THAT. I NEED THAT SLIDE UP. I PERSONALLY JUST SAT DOWN THERE AND SAID OKAY, IF YOU TAKE THE ÃÃIF YOU TAKE THE 383 INTO THE 3471 THAT COMES OUT TO 8.6. AND DID THAT TO CREATE NEW TRAFFIC COUNTS.

SO I CAME UP WITH 8000 288 WHICH WAS NOT AS UNSCIENTIFIC AS KIMBERLY HORN WOULD DO IT.

SO I HAD THAT WE WERE GOING TO PICK UP OR ACTUALLY DECREASE BY 419 ÃÃI SHARED THAT WITH JACK HOLBERG OF KIMBERLY HORN AND HE SAID YOU ARE MISSING ÃÃHE DID NOT USE THESE WORDS.

MISSING THE COEFFICIENT OF WHEN YOU ADD A HOUSE YOU DON'T NEED A POST MAN.

THE FORMULA ACTUALLY CHANGED. WHEN HE RAN IT THROUGH ÃÃWE ENDED UP WITH ACTUALLY WE PICKED UP OR WE DECREASED BY DOING THE NEW MOD ÃÃWE DECREASED THE TRAFFIC COUNTS ON THE ROAD BY 542 PER DAY. IN THE LAST THING I JUST WANTED BRIEFLY TOUCH UPON IS THAT WE DO HAVE THE 20 ACRES OF WETLAND PRESERVATION THROUGH THE PARK.

IN THE NEW MULTI FAMILY ÃÃWE ARE DOING WETLAND PRESERVATION OF 15 ACRES AND IN THE SIXTH IN THE SINGLE-FAMILY 63 ACRES OF WETLAND PRESERVATION ÃÃAND I WOULD BE ABLE TO DO AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS DOCTOR HILLS AND BACK?

>> THIS IS A COMPLICATED ONE AND IT'S REALLY GIVEN ME A HEADACHE OVER THE LAST COUPLE

OF DAYS I JUST HAVE TO SAY. >> I'M SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> NO ÃÃIT'S FINE.

AND I ENJOYED TALKING WITH YOU YESTERDAY.OU ANSWERED SOME OF MY QUESTIONS.

BUT AS I SAID I SAID I LIKE TO ASK THEM AND MOSTLY ÃÃSO SOME OF THIS IS COMMENTARY THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO WRITE DOWN AND COMMENT ON. BUT SO YOUR APPROVED RIGHT NOW.

S LONG AS YOU HAVE A SECOND ACCESS FOR 435 MORE HOUSING UNITS.

CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> AS LONG AS YOU CAN GET THAT SECONDARY ACCESS. OKAY. SO YOU WANT A TOTAL OF 264 MORE UNITS? AND I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA DO WAY WITH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

AND IT WOULD BE TOUGH TO GET IN THERE. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE CAN SAY IT WOULD BE INCOMPATIBLE. YOUR RESIDENCE WOULD PROBABLY COMPLAIN AS 383 HOUSES WOULD PROBABLY COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT. IT WOULD BE TOUGH I THINK TO GET THAT IN THERE.

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SO LET ME ASK ABOUT THAT SECONDARY ACCESS.

IT SEEMS TO ME GOING UP AND I DID GO OUT THERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO DRIVE AROUND OUT THERE AND THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DOWNED SANDY CREEK'S PARKWAY AND ALL OF THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ITEM ÃÃ MAYBE TWO AND HALF YEARS BEFORE THIS ABOUT MANY WAREHOUSE ARE SELF STORAGE OUT THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SANDY CREEK PARKWAY BETWEEN THERE AND I-95 WAS GOING TO PUT IN THERE. SO I'LL GO ROUND. THAT BRIDGE OVER WHAT IS CALLED SAMPSON CREEK ÃÃI THOUGHT IT WAS CALLED SANDY CREEK UNTIL I READ A LETTER THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US WITHIN OUR PACKET HERE. SAMPSON CREEK ÃÃGOING OVER THAT ÃÃIT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM READING THIS LETTER AND THIS IS HERE SAYING THIS I SUPPOSE.

THAT IF YOU PUT YOUR SECONDARY ACCESS NORTH OF THE BRIDGE AND LET'S SAY THAT CREEK FLOODS OR BRIDGE FLOODS, YOU CANNOT GET OUT OF THE BRIDGE. THAT'S TO ME NOT REALLY A SECONDARY ACCESS. I KNOW WE'VE GOT PEOPLE OVER TO MOON BAY PARKWAY AND THAT UP TO 210 AT THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION ÃÃBUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU'VE GOT TO GET OVER THAT BRIDGE FIRST BEFORE YOU DO THAT. AND I DON'T WANT A NEW BRIDGE BUILT OVER SAMPSON CREEK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.'M NOT PROMOTING THAT.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW WITH YOUR 383 PEOPLE ÃÃYOU CANNOT EVEN TURN LEFT ON 210.

YOU HAVE TO GO WEST LIKE I SAID QUICKLY AND DO A U-TURN AND ALL OF THAT.

IT SEEMS TO ME YOU NEED A SECONDARY ACCESS ALREADY OR 383 HOUSES IN THERE.

MUCH LESS THE 435 YOU ARE ALREADY ALLOWED TO HAVE. MUCH LESS AT 264 ON TOP OF THAT. SO THAT THOSE CONCERNS TO ME AS WELL AS THE MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO UPGRADE COUNTY ROAD 210, WHICH ALL THIS TRAFFIC IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO GO TO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. AND WE'VE GOT THIS TABLE AND YOU HAD AN INTERESTING TABLE AND I WANT YOU TO PUT THAT BACK UP THERE IF YOU COULD AT SOME POINT.

YOU KNOW ÃÃTHERE ARE FIVE OR SIX IF YOU DIVIDE 36.1 SEGMENT OR LINK 36.12 A AND B. YOU HAVE SIX IMPACTED ROADS ÃÃROADWAY COMMITMENTS. OR SEGMENTS RATHER'S IN THERE.

ÃÃAND WE DID TALK YESTERDAY ABOUT I TOLD YOU THE COUNTY COMMISSION ON TUESDAY.

IT JUST APPROVED A LEASE OF 2.1 MILLION FROM THE TRANSPORTATION WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.

TRUST FUND. ADD SO THAT'S 2.1 MILLION THAT WILL GO IN TOWARDS LIGHTNING'S EXPLAIN ON COUNTY ROAD 210. SO I ASSUME THAT TWIN CREEKS IS COMING UP WITH THE OTHER 10.4? IS THAT ÃÃCAN I ASK STAFF THAT? IS THE OTHER 10.4 TO MEET THAT 12.5 MILLION COMMITMENT TO FOUR-LANE IN THE AREA BETWEEN GOODIN BAY PARKWAY AND BEACH WALK ALSO? ALSO ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF GROWTH AND MANAGEMENT. ON TUESDAY WE AWARDED THE CONTRACT, WHICH WAS ROUGHLY $12.5 MILLION TO THAT RESPONSIVE BIDDER.

THERE IS A RANDOM UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS SIGNED WITH THE TWIN CREEKS DEVELOPER IN WHICH THEY ARE PAYING THE PORTION OF A FOUR LANE OF THAT'S EXPLAIN. THAT NUMBER HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED BUT IN ORDER FOR US TO FULLY FUND THE 12.5 MILLION, THE TRANSFER WAS MADE FROM TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND AND IT WAS ANTICIPATED THAT THOSE MONIES WOULD BE REIMBURSED WHENEVER THE FINAL DOLLAR FIGURE WITH THE MOU AGREEMENT IS ESTABLISHED WITH THE TWIN

CREEKS DEVELOPER. >> SO THAT HAD NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED YET?

>> NO SIR. >> SO IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY FUNDED.> THE PROJECT IS TECHNICALLY FUNDED.HE COUNTY IS $4.5 MILLION TO FUND THE PROJECT.

THE MOU WILL FUND THE COUNTY WITH THE FUNDS DETERMINED THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS BASED ON

THE MOU WITH THE DEVELOPER. >> IS NO NUMBER BEING ATTACHED TO THAT.

>> I WAS WATCHING THE MEETING UP TO A POINT BUT THEN I HAD TO LEAVE.

I HOPE THE COUNTY HAD RELEASED 2.1 MILLION. >> THE COUNTY IS TRANSFERRED FROM THE TRUST FUND. YES. IT'S TO FUND THE 12.5 INTO THE CAPITOL IMPROVEMENTS BUDGET FOR THAT PROJECT SPECIFICALLY. WITH THE INTENTION THAT ONCE

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>> I'M SO GLAD YOU AND JAN OBVIOUSLY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE ROADS IN THE COUNTY.

SO LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE REST OF COUNTY ROAD 210. THIS IS THE TABLE ON PAGE 10 OF THE AGENDA. ITEM. THAT STILL LEAVES OR NEEDS IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE DEFICIENT OR ADVERSELY IMPACTED ROAD SEGMENTS.

THAT STILL LEAVES 74 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS MORE OR LESS. BASED ON THE AREA OF 210.

SO DUMPING ANOTHER 8200 ÃÃ DIFFERENT FIGURES. OUR PACKET HAD ÃÃWHAT WAS IT? OUR PACKET HAD 8000 165 GROSS DAILY TRIPS. THE INFORMATION YOU SHOWED MR. ÃÃWAS 8706 PER DAY UP TO 8000 288 PER DAY. SO YOU'RE STILL DUMPING WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, FOR 35 YEAR GRANDFATHERED IN OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT ARE ALREADY APPROVED, BUT TO 65 ÃÃ264 MORE UNITS? AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE DUMPING CLOSE TO 9000? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY IT'S GOING TO BE. OVER 8000 GROSS DAILY TRIPS. ON TO 210.

I JUST DON'T SEE HOW I CAN TAKE IT WITH 74 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS STILL UNFUNDED AND THAT'S TAKING THIS 12.5 MILLION INTO CONSIDERATION. SO THIS ÃÃTO ME, I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE THIS ADDS UP.N THESE ROAD SEGMENTS AND THE COUNTIES THAT ARE GOING TO FUND THE AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK. SO ÃÃOKAY. SEE A WERE A HUGE WORKLOAD. THEN WE ASK SIMILAR QUESTIONS. I WAS WRITING THEM DOWN AS YOU WERE TALKING TODAY. LET'S SEE. ON PAGE 9, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT STARTS TO MOTION 294 MULTI FAMILY UNITS. IS CURRENTLY IN REVIEW.

I THOUGHT IT WAS 264 AND THEN THIS FIGURE SHOWS TWICE ON THE MIDDLE OF PAGE 9. 294 AND THEN ON PAGE 10 AT THE TOP ÃÃFIRST PARAGRAPH LAST LINE. WHERE DID THAT 294 FIGURE COME

FROM WHEN I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 264? >> SO THAT PARCEL AS CURRENTLY

IS IN TOTAL FOR 435. >> OKAY. >> AS WHEN WE SOLD IT TO THEM OR AS WE WENT UNDER CONTRACT, IT'S NOT SOLD. UNDER CONTRACT WE COVERED THE 20 OUT AND WE TOLD THEM THAT WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE 320 UNITS. THEY HAVE MADE THE DECISION THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GO THREE STORIES HIGH VERSUS FOUR DUE TO THE COST TO ADD THE FOURTH FLOOR. SO THEY ACTUALLY RECENTLY CAME BACK AND TOLD US EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY HAVE APPLIED FOR OR 294 ÃÃTHEY ARE ACTUALLY EXPECTING OUT OF THE 320 UNITS ÃÃENTITLEMENTS PROBABLY TO ONLY USE CLOSER TO 240Ö60. THEY SAID THIS IS ENTITLED FOR 45 FEET. WITHIN 45 FEET ÃÃYOU COULD PUT THE FOUR STORY BUILDING WITH A LIGHT ROOF. BUT THEY SAID IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT. I THINK ELEVATOR COSTS FROM THIRD TO THE FOURTH FLOOR GET MORE EXPENSIVE. EVERYTHING GETS MORE EXPENSIVE TO GO TO 1/4 FLOOR.

SO ÃÃEVEN THOUGH WE ARE LOOKING FOR 320 ÃÃIN REALITY ÃÃIT WILL PROBABLY BE CLOSER TO 260. SO THEN THERE WOULD BE UNUSED ENTITLEMENTS.

>> OKAY. SO YOU'VE GOT THE 320 AND THE 325 IN DIFFERENT PHASES.

AND YOU'RE SAYING ONE OF THOSE IS THE 320 IS POSSIBLY GOING TO BE REDUCED TO 260?

>> I WOULD NOT SAY REDUCED. I WOULD SAY ONLY USED. >> OUT ÃÃYOU SAID THAT.

OKAY. >> ONLY USE BECAUSE IF THIS DEAL FALLS THROUGH ÃÃTHE NEXT PERSON THAT COMES UP MAY DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO GO FOR STORIES AND THEY MIGHT USE 320.

> AND I UNDERSTAND. THAT LEADS READY TO WHAT I WAS CAN ASK NEXT BECAUSE IT SAYS THESE ARE LOW RISE UNITS? SO LOW RISE UNITS ARE 3SS STORIES.

45 FEET IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? >> I WOULD DEFER TO JACK CALLS BIRGIT, WHO IS HERE TO EXPLAIN

THE WAY WHAT THE DEFINITION OF LOW RISER TRANSITIONS TO? >> THAT WOULD BE NOW.

JUST ONE SECOND. OKAY. LET ME ASK A COUPLE MORE THINGS. YOU KNOW ÃÃI AGREE THAT CROSS ACCESS IS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED.

OKAY? IT REALLY IS AND YOU EXPLAINED TO ME A LOT OF THE MONEY YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND ON THAT. AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND GETTING IT OVER TO MOON BAY PARKWAY AND ALL OF THAT. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED. BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT STILL

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AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY FLOODS ARE NOT DURING OR IT SAYS IT DID.

SO PLEASE CANNOT GET IN ENTER OR EXIT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE.

BUT THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME. >> CAN ADDRESS THAT FOR YOU? AT THIS POINT?

SO ÃÃI'M SORRY. >> PLEASE. >> SO IT IS KNOWN AND IS TRUE THAT DURING HURRICANE ÃÃI BELIEVE APPROXIMATELY 4¥ YEARS AGO THAT SAMPSON CREEK FLOODED IN THE AREA. THE DISPUTE BETWEEN HOMEOWNERS WHO LIVED THERE WAS WHETHER IT WAS FLOODED FOR SIX HOURS OR 12 HOURS. I WILL TELL YOU THAT MAYBE THE THING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THAT WHEN WE DO THE MASS GRADING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SAMPSON CREEK WHICH WILL BE THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ÃÃWE WILL BE PICKING UP ALL OF THE WATER OFF OF OUR PROPERTY AND PUTTING IN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PONDS THAT CURRENTLY DO NOT EXIST.

MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP OUT ÃÃ BUT IT WAS A HURRICANE EVENT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT HURRICANE EVENT. AND IF WE GO DOWN DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE ÃÃWE KNOW THAT WITHIN THE LAST HURRICANE EVENT IT FLOODED. AND IT WAS IMPASSABLE AND IN HURRICANE WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US CAN EVER GUARANTEE THAT WHEN WE BREAK WHILE 100 YEAR FLOOD RULE THAT THAT'S WHY EVERYTHING IS DESIGNED FOR A 100 YEAR FLOOD.

>> RIGHT. I HEAR YOU.ND ONE REASON I AM PARTICUARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IS THAT I LIVED IN A HOUSE THAT FLOODED BADLY IN BOTH HURRICANE MATTHEW AND IRMA.

AND IT WAS NOT A FUN EXPERIENCE. >> I CAN ASSURE YOU IN THE 383, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE HOUSES FLOODED. SANDY CREEK IS DESIGNED

APPROPRIATELY TO TAKE IN ALL THAT WATER. >> THEY ARE IN FLOOD ZONE X FOR ONE THING. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE ACCESS INGRESS AND EGRESS THERE.

SO YES, SECONDARY ACCESS AND SO THAT'S RELATING TO THE SPOT FOR IT.

SO YOU PUT THE TABLE AND I THOUGHT HOW MUCH TRAFFIC WOULD LIGHT INDUSTRIAL GENERATE? NOT THAT YOU ARE GOING FOR THAT. I WAS JUST CURIOUS AND I

THOUGHT YOU HAD A TABLE. >> I DO. THERE IT IS.

SO THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WOULD GENERATE 2372 TRIPS A DAY. REMEMBER IT'S NOT JUST TRIPS.

IT'S ALSO SEMI TRUCKS. CARRIER VANS, EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS NOT TO BE BACK IN THAT

SUBDIVISION. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. ABOUT 1/4 AT A POINT RESIDENTIAL. FOURTH TWO 1/3. LESS.

THAN RESIDENTIAL. >> WELL, IF THE LOOK AT THE FOOTPRINT.

FOR THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT 383 HOUSES

WITH THE FOOTPRINT OF ABOUT 326 FEET ÃÃI DON'T. >> SQUARE FEET.

>> SQUARE FEET. I DO NOT HAVE MY PHONES WITH ME.

BUT WE WOULD PROBABLY BLUE LOOKING AT ABOUT MILLION SQUARE FEET FOR ABOUT THREE ÃMARCH 4,

>> OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL? >> THE RESIDENTIAL. >> THAT'S DOING THE 3074 71 IS ABOUT A FOOTPRINT OF ABOUT A MILLION CLOSE TO MILLION SQUARE FEET VERSUS 470 AND I'M GLAD YOU CAME UP WITH THE ESTIMATE RATHER THAN ME. SO YES.

I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. THANK YOU. FOR THAT.

SO LET ME JUST ASK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS MATERIAL ON PAGE 12 IN THE COUNTY STAFF CERTAINLY COULD WEIGH IN HERE.

I DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS COMPLYING WITH THIS. THIS IS ON PAGE 12 TOP MIDDLE ABOVE THAT MAP. IT SAYS SANDY CREEK PUD IS RELATED TO THE MIXED-USE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION TO ENCOURAGE A MIXED TOUR USE COMPOUND POLICY 8193 REGARDING MIXED-USE PROPERTIES GREATER OR EQUAL TO 40 ACRES HAVE A MINIMUM OF TWO LAND USES RELATING TO THE VISIONS OF POLICY. RESIDENTIAL LAND USES MIGHT BE COMBINED WITH COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL. WHICH WILL ALSO INCLUDE PARKS, RECREATION, AND OPEN SPACE. THE SECOND PARAGRAPH OF THIS POLICY ENCOURAGES THAT ALL SITES MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR MIXED-USE PROJECT PROJECTS AND IN SUCH CASES THE APPLICANT WILL JUSTIFY A SINGLE-USE PROJECT.THE PUD WAS ALLOWED TO USE RESIDENTIAL AND LIGHT

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ABILITY TO DO THAT. DON'T Ã ÃI DON'T UNDERSTAND. >> IT'S BASED ON YOUR FINDING

OF FAX SERVER OR DOCTOR. >> YOU CAN CALL ME RICHARD, PLEASE.

>> I'M SORRY. >> IT'S FINE.

[LAUGHTER] >> IT'S BASED ON THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THIS BOARD MAKES AS WELL AS THE 380 CITIZENS IF WE DECIDE TO PUT INDUSTRIAL. IF WE GET DENIED AND WE PUT INDUSTRIAL IN THEIR ÃÃWE THINK THAT'S WRONG. IN TODAY'S SOCIETY.

REMEMBER, NOT ONLY IS SANDY CREEK ALL RESIDENTIAL AT THIS POINT, BUT IF YOU CROSS OVER I 95, THAT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL. IF YOU GO TO THE BACKSIDE OF EACH WALK ÃÃTHAT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL. IF YOU GO TO THE BACKSIDE OF ACROSS THE STREET ÃÃYOU HAVE COMMERCIAL. SO EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED IN 20 YEARS.

WHEN THIS WAS DONE ÃÃIT MADE SENSE TO SAY LOOK, YOU'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE MIXED-USE.

I THINK WHEN YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION, YOU SAID YOU COULD'VE CARED THIS RECENTLY.

BY BRINGING THE CHT INTO THE PUD. >> I DID NOT SAY THAT.

>> SOMEBODY SAID TO ME, MY APOLOGIES. >> IT'S OKAY.

>> WE COULD'VE BROUGHT THE CHT INTO THE PUD, IS NOT ADJACENT LAND AND IT DID NOT MAKE SENSE TO DO THAT. BUT THAT CHT ALSO ÃÃIF THERE IS A NEED AND YOU KNOW, THE BUILDERS WILL DETERMINE IF THERE IS A NEED AND THE DEVELOPERS WILL.

IF THERE IS A NEED FOR NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPS SUCH AS PIZZA, SUBS, HAIR, NAILS, IF THERE IS A NEED FOR A HOSPITAL ACROSS THE STREET. SO IF WE NEED REHAB OR PHYSICAL REHAB AND OTHER SOURCES. THAT'S ALL SITTING THERE IN, YOU KNOW, 17 ACRES THAT ONCE WE PUT THAT ROAD UP, IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN SEASON FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO COME IN AND START TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF THE 800 HOUSES OR TOWNHOUSES IN DR HORTON AND EVERYTHING THAT'S

COMING OUR WAY NOW.OU'RE RIGHT. >> OKAY.

GOOD, THANK YOU. >> MISS SPIEGEL? >> I HAVE TO AGREE WITH DOCTOR HILLSENBECK ABOUT THE HEADACHE ON THIS ONE. I'M SORRY.

I'M REALLY NEW AT THIS AND SO FOR ME TO PICTURE ALL THIS AND READING THE TRAFFIC REPORT WITH A WONDERFUL EDUCATION, A VERY GOOD REPORT. BUT BOY OH BOY.

SO FORGIVE ME IF I'M STUMBLING THROUGH THIS A BIT. BUT DOCTOR HILLSENBECK ASKED.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC REPORT.

THAT'S WHY JACK CALLS BERG WHO WROTE IT IS HERE. >> I WANT TO GET A TUTORIAL AND ACTUALLY LEARN HOW THAT ALL WORKS. IT'S VERY COMPLICATED, BUT IT WAS GOOD. I LEARNED A LOT. OKAY SO ÃJUST BEAR WITH ME.

THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT YOU WERE ENTITLEMENTS FOR THIS PUD IS RIGHT NOW ÃÃYOU CANNOT COMPLETE WITHOUT A MAJOR MODIFICATION BECAUSE THE ROADWAY SEGMENT THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO BUILD BEFORE YOU GO BEYOND 383 DWELLING UNITS CANNOT BE APPROVED.

WITHOUT A CHANGE ÃÃIS THAT RIGHT? >> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

>> OKAY. THE PRODUCT THAT YOU ARE ENTITLED TO ÃÃYOU JUST SAID OKAY, LET'S STEP BACK AND LOOK SINCE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

LET'S TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST UTILIZE THIS LAND IN THE FUTURE.

AND TRY TO GET EVERYTHING ALL WRAPPED UP SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.S THAT

CORRECT? >> YES MA'AM. >> I WANT TO APPRECIATE YOU IN THE WAY YOU'RE SETTING UP AND DESIGNING THIS AND YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE LANDSCAPE AND THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE NATURAL CONTOURS IS WONDERFUL. I REALLY WISH MORE DEVELOPERS WOULD DO THAT. I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND I FULLY AGREE.

IT'S A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. I WAS OUT THERE JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.

IN THAT RIGHT TURN IN AND RIGHT TURN OUT IS BRUTAL.ND I REALLY FEEL BAD FOR ALL OF THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE THAT'S TOUGH. [LAUGHTER] THAT NEW EXIT IS REALLY NECESSARY. AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD.

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BUT AS YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA GET PUSHBACK ON THE INDUSTRIAL IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH. SO I DID DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA AND THEIR ENTITLEMENTS AND JUST IN THAT LITTLE BLOCK ÃÃTHAT LITTLE BIT OF LAND RIGHT ON TO 10 THEIR ÃÃTHERE IS A FOUNTAIN EASE BRIDGEWATER OR CINDY CREEK. TWINS CREEK AND JUST LOOKING AT THOSE ÃÃTHEY HAVE ENTITLEMENTS ALREADY INCLUDING ÃÃINCLUDING YOURS OF 2927 DWELLING UNITS.

SO ÃÃYOU KNOW IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THEY ARE GOING TO BE BUILT OUT OR THEY ARE GOING TO BE BUILT UP VERY SOON. I DO REALIZE THAT LITTLE SECTION DID GET FUNDING FOR WHATEVER THAT ONE .86 MILES IS. BUT TO SIT HERE AND APPROVE ANOTHER 264 DWELLING UNITS ON TOP OF WHAT ALREADY IS APPROVED WHETHER OR NOT IT IS GOING TO BE BUILT I GUESS IS COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR CONTROL. THAT CONCERNS ME. ADDING THAT MUCH MORE TRAFFIC ONTO TO 10.O THAT WAS NOT REALLY A QUESTION. I APOLOGIZE.

THAT WAS MORE OF A COMMENT. I AM LOOKING AT YOU SAID TWO PHASES.

2025Ö035 PHASING THIS IN? >> WHAT WE DID AND WHEN WE DID SANDY CREEK ÃÃPHASE 2 ENDED UP BEING A BCD AND EE. SO IT TECHNICALLY SUB PHASES WITH THE WORK TO PUT IN THE NEW ROADWAY. WE WILL TAKE OVER A YEAR OF ENGINEERING AND WETLAND DELINEATION PERMITTING. I WOULD SEE THIS NEW INDUSTRIAL LAND DEVELOPMENT BEING CLOSE TO TWO YEARS OUT. AND THEN AT THAT POINT IT WOULD BE PHASING.

OUR INTENTION ÃÃALTHOUGH IT'S NOT WRITTEN IN STONE IS THAT WE WOULD BE BUILDING A HIGH-END TOWNHOUSE ON THAT BACK INDUSTRIAL, WHERE WE HAD THE 305.

WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT SOME TOWNHOUSES BACK THAT ARE HIGH AND ALONG WITH THE 74 HOUSES.

THAT WOULD BE DONE IN MULTIPLE PHASES. YOU DO NOT BUILD 300 TOWNHOUSES. WE ARE A SMALL BUILDER TO BE CLEAR.

WE ARE NO DR HORTON, WE ARE NO PAUL T, WE ARE NOT DREAM FINDERS.

WE DON'T LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. THAT'S 383 HOUSES THAT WAS ENTITLED IN 2020 AND WE ARE JUST FINISHING IT NOW. 20 YEARS LATER. WE HAD A PRETTY BIG RECESSION AND THERE THAT I THINK STOP THINGS. BUT OUR OTHER SUBDIVISIONS THAT'S OF THAT SIZE IS FLORAL PARK AND NASSAU COUNTY AND I DO BELIEVE THAT TOOK OVER 10 YEARS ALSO CLOSE TO 12 YEARS ALSO TO DO THE 700+ HOUSES IN THERE. SO WE ARE NOT JUST GO AND PUT THEM UP. WE ÃÃI CANNOT SAY WE ARE A CUSTOMIZED PRODUCT.

WE ESSENTIALLY GET IT TO DRYWALL AND FROM THAT POINT WE CUSTOMIZE.

SO ÃÃWE ARE ÃÃWE ARE SLOW. BUT QUALITY. [LAUGHTER]

>> I LOVE THAT. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. LET'S NOT JUST SLAP THEM UP AND

SELL THEM? >> AND THE THING THAT I WANT TO BE CLEAR AND KIND OF ADDRESS IS THAT I KNOW THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ANOTHER 200 AND SOMETHING ENTITLEMENTS OF RESIDENTIAL, BUT INDUSTRIAL ÃÃIF WE ARE FOR SUSTAINED INDUSTRIAL, WE KNOW WE CAN SELL THE INDUSTRIAL. WE ACTUALLY HAD SOMEBODY BECAUSE I TESTED THE WATERS PRIOR TO COMING HERE. AND ACTUALLY THE REASON WE CANNOT SELL THE INDUSTRIAL IS BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH ENTITLEMENT PUT WE ACTUALLY HAD A LEGITIMATE BUYER THAT NEEDED ABOUT 700,000 SQUARE FEET. WE ALL KNOW THERE IS A NEED FOR INDUSTRIAL AND IF YOUR CELLS AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER DECIDE HEY, THERE'S A NEED FOR INDUSTRIAL, YOU GO SUPPORT INDUSTRIAL FACTOR IN THERE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO CRY AND APPEAL.

WE ARE GOING TO DO WHAT IS ALLOWED. BUT WE THINK IT'S WRONG.

AND I DON'T THINK TO GET RID OF 487,000 SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL AND COME BACK WITH 294 UNITS IF THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT I'M TRYING TO QUOTE YOU. BUT I'M NOT DOING THE MATH IN MY HEAD. THE 200+ UNITS IS REALLY UNREASONABLE.

>> I UNDERSTAND. IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORS AND HOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO ASSURE THEM IN AND THEY DO NEED TO DO IT AND THEY SIGNED THE PAPERS

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YOUR MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS? >> I AM NOT AUTHORIZED TO ANSWER THAT.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT WITH THE CONCURRENCY COSTS AND PUTTING THAT SPINAL ROAD IN ÃÃTHE LAND DEVELOPMENT COST RIGHT NOW ARE RUNNING OVER $8000 PER FOOT TO PUT ROADS AND SEWER AND WATER. WORKFORCE HOUSING IS NOT FEASIBLE WITHIN THE WAY THAT IT'S DEFINED BY ST. JOHN COUNTY RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE JUST RAISED IT UP TO

260. >> 260, RIGHT? WE HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES DOWN IN RIVERDALE AND WE ARE EVALUATING THAT. AND WHETHER WE CAN DO IT THERE AND WE ARE RUNNING BELIEVE IT OR NOT ÃÃWITH ALL THE IMPACT FEES AND EVERYTHING ÃÃWE ARE WORKING TO MAKE THAT FEASIBLE. AND I DON'T MEAN THOUSAND SQUARE-FOOT APARTMENTS.

>> OKAY? I DON'T CONSIDER THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING.

I THINK WORKFORCE HOUSING NEEDS HAVE THREE BEDROOMS AND ACTUALLY BE THERE FOR FAMILY.

BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THEIR ÃÃI THINK IN MY OWN OPINION ÃÃIS THAT WE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO GET OVER THAT 300,000 THRESHOLD TO MAKE IT WORK.

>> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> TO PUT REAL WORKFORCE

HOUSING IN IT. >> THAT MAKES SENSE. I'M JUST ALWAYS GOING TO ASK.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR ANSWERS. >> THANK YOU.

>> HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. FIRST BASED OFF YOUR CALCULATIONS, THE TRAFFIC COUNT WILL GO DOWN BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY, CORRECT?

>> ABSOLUTELY. ACCORDING TO MR. HOLBERG IT'S OVER 500 TRIPS PER DAY.

>> SO YOU'RE DECREASING THE TRAFFIC. THE INDUSTRIAL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ÃÃIF YOU GO AHEAD AND THIS WAS NOT APPROVED AND YOU DEVELOP THE INDUSTRIAL ÃÃARE YOU REQUIRED TO DO THAT SECONDARY ACCESS OR IS THAT ONLY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL?

>> NO, NO, WE CANNOT GO ANY FURTHER WITHOUT A SECOND ACCESS.

WE CANNOT DO THE MULTIFAMILY AND WE CANNOT DO THE INDUSTRIAL.

>> OKAY, OKAY. SO THERE'S GOT TO BE WHATEVER YOU DO NEXT?

>> IT'S GOT TO BE TO PROTECT. >> YOU'VE GOT TO PUT IN THAT SECONDARY ASPECT.

OR NOTHING AT ALL. IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES.

>> AND I THINK YOU SAID THAT AND I'M SURE WE WILL HEAR FROM THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORS.

THE MOST OF THE CONSENSUS OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS IN FAVOR OF THE ADDITIONAL UNITS RATHER

THAN THE INDUSTRIAL. IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES.

A SHOW OF HANDS I SAY IT'S ANYWHERE FROM 90Å9 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT. ACTUALLY ÃÃI TOLD THEM TO PLEASE BE AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

WE DID NOT REALLY WANT TO TELL OR TIE YOU GUYS UP AS MUCH TO HAVE THEM ALL THERE.

I THINK ÃÃI DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE. WE WILL LET THEM SPEAK FOR

THEMSELVES. BUT æ >> OKAY.

LET ME ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] >> I DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE HERE, BUT ON PAGE 10 OF THE ROADWAY ÃÃCOMMITMENTS ÃÃ THIS IS REALLY MORE FOR STAFF.

THE UNFUNDED SEGMENTS OF 210 FOR ÃÃPARKWAY UP TO GREEN BAY ÃÃIS THERE ANY PROJECTION ON ONE THAT WILL BE FUNDED? BE THOUGHT ABOUT OR BE GIVEN SOME CONSIDERATION? [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ONLY PERTAIN TO THIS PROJECT.

I'M JUST CURIOUS FOR MY OWN INFORMATION. >> OKAY, GOOD QUESTION.

>> BECAUSE IT'S GREAT THAT THE 12 AND A HALF MILLION GOT APPROVED GOING WESTBOUND.

PARDON ME. EASTBOUND. SO IT'S GOOD.

[LAUGHTER] >> SO PUBLIC WORKS IS CURRENTLY LOOKING AT DESIGN ÃÃTHE ONLY REMAINING PORTION THAT REMAINS FOUR LANES THROUGH THE INTERCHANGE.

SO WE CANNOT REALLY LOOK MUCH FURTHER BEYOND THAT UNTIL WE HAVE SOME SORT OF WAY TO DESIGN DEPENDING ON THE NUMBERS ON THAT. THAT'S PROBABLY THE NEXT ONE WE WILL LOOK AT. THE COUNTY IS ACTIVELY PURSUING A GRANT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE OVERPASS OVER U.S. ONE OTHERWISE, EVERYTHING IS JUST GOING TO BALL AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE COUNTY CIPS ONE BECOMES AVAILABLE. BUT THOSE WOULD BE THE NEXT TWO LARGER PIECES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION.

SO WE WILL HAVE THE SIX LANES THROUGH CURRENTLY FROM WHERE ENDS ONTO 10 THROUGH THE 95

INTERCHANGE. >> IS THAT IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW? >> THE PORTION OF THE LANE THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. THEY ARE STARTING DESIGN ON THAT.

YES SIR. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> I DO NOT KNOW HOW LONG THAT WILL TAKE. I DO NOT EVEN WANT TO GIVE YOU A ROUGH ESTIMATE. [LAUGHTER] AT THE PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT. IT'S VERY PRELIMINARY. THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS

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IN SOME OF THOSE OTHER LOCATIONS AS WELL. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I CAN SAY LET US HELP. LET US PUT SOME MORE RESIDENTIAL AND LET US HELP FUND IT.

[LAUGHTER] >> WE ARE GOING TO MOVE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PLEASE STEP UP.

JUST ONE AT A TIME, AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU THREE MINUTES.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. RODNEY JENSEN. 168 LINDA LAKE LANE.

I LIVE IN THIS AREA FOR ONE YEAR. PLEASE APPROVE THE ROAD THE SECONDARY. HAVE MOON BAY, FINISH THE AREA ASAP.

IT'S CRAZY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN PEOPLE PERMITS. I DON'T EVEN HAVE COMMON SENSE, HAVE NO DEGREE IN ENGINEERING OR ANYTHING, BUT THE ROADS NEED TO BE FIXED BEFORE WE GROW ANYMORE. BECAUSE I WOULD NOT LIVE IN THIS AREA ANYMORE.

I WOULD NOT BUY IN THIS AREA IF I KNEW THE PROBLEM BEFORE I BOUGHT HERE.

WE NEED TO STOP THE INSANITY AND BUILD AND APPROVE THAT SECOND ROAD.

I LOOK ROUNDABOUTS.UT AROUND ABOUT ANYWHERE. I'VE BEEN TO EUROPE.

ROUNDABOUTS ARE THE ONLY WAY TO GO. YOU JUST DRIVE THROUGH LONDON AND ANYTHING. FORGET THE STOP SIGNS AND RED LIGHTS.

PEOPLE GET IT. WE'VE TRAINED SOMEBODY TO DO IT.

BUT I AM JUST HERE TO APPROVE Ã ÃWE DO NOT NEED INDUSTRIAL. WE NEED HOMES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN IT. PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO FLORIDA. WE NEED TO DO OUR ROADS BETTER.

AND PLEASE CONSIDER THIS MAN'S OPPOSITION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS NORMAN GAND AND PUT A LIMIT TO 67 SPRING CREEK WAY. IN THE SEDUM DEVELOPMENT AREA AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF

THINGS I PLAN TO SAY THAT ÃÃ CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? >> YES.

>> A COUPLE OF THE OTHER COMMENTS THAT I THINK THE BOARD ALSO RESPONDS TO.

I WAS ACTUALLY IN ATTENDANCE OF ONE OF THE MORE RECENT I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AGO ACTUALLY. DOWN THE HALL MEETING WHERE WE HAD PROPOSED THE QUESTION, WHICH WOULD BE FAVORED? A WAREHOUSE OR A RESIDENCE? AND THAT SEEMS LIKE AN OBVIOUS CHOICE. HOWEVER ÃÃIT MAY BE A TOUGH CHOICE IN A WAY THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD EVEN BE ÃÃ ANY DEVELOPER WOULD EVEN WANT TO CONSIDER THAT.

ON OCCASION AFTER THAT MEETING I CONSIDERED TO HAVE A CASUAL CONVERSATION WITH A MAN WHO WORKS FOR AMAZON AND I INQUIRED IF HE KNEW THE AREA AND HE SAID HE DID.

I SAID WOULD YOU CONSIDER PUTTING A WAREHOUSE IN THERE? HICH WE'VE BEEN TOLD MIGHT HAVE INGRESS AND EGRESS TRANSITS EVEN TODAY. AND HE SAID NO WAY! AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT BECAUSE OF THE IMPOSSIBILITY THAT WE CURRENTLY FACE AND TO HAVE A SEMI TRUCK DRIVER FACE THAT IS I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

PERHAPS THERE IS A BUYER THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT SAME OPINION, BUT I SPOKE WITH SOMEONE WHO HAD THAT SAME RESPONSIBILITY FOR WAREHOUSES AND DISTRIBUTION.

ANOTHER COMMENT THAT CAME UP WAS THE FLOODING OF THE ROAD. I WAS ACTUALLY RESIDENT IN THE AREA FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS AND YES ÃÃTHAT SAMPSON CREEK DOES FLOATED.

AND IT WAS NOT FOUR HOURS OR SIX HOURS. IT WAS FOUR DAYS.

SO THAT IS A DILEMMA TO IF THERE IS ANY MOVEMENT OR ARRANGEMENTS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY EXACERBATE THAT POSSIBILITY FOR PLUMBING. THERE WAS A HURRICANE.

WE HAVE HURRICANES AND WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER ONE. WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER FLOOD.

AND WE WILL DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAPPED IN SANDY CREEK AND NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUT FOR DAYS. SO AS FAR AS THE SECOND ACCESS ÃÃI WOULD HOPE THAT SHOULD YOU APPROVE THIS INVESTMENT AT THIS PLAN ÃÃTHE CONDITION BE MADE THAT THAT SECONDARY EXIT IS IN PLACE AND ACCESSIBLE AND USABLE PRIOR TO ANY SALE OF UNITS THAT WOULD ADD TO THE DENSITY POPULATION AND THEY SAID THERE WAS A NUMBER WERE PEOPLE TRYING TO GET HOME.

HERE IS ABOUT THREE TIMES A DAY WHERE I'M FINDING IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET OUT.

FROM ABOUT 6Å 10:30Ö AND THEN 3| P.M. WHERE IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GET OUT.

AND ALSO BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT CROSS COMING FROM EAST ÃWEST. YOU ALSO HAVE PEOPLE COMING

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>> OKAY. >> FOR HOURS OF TIME. SO.

>> YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

SO ÃÃTHAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY BUT THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU.

>> YES, SIR, THANK YOU. [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> HELLO JOE ÃÃ000 BLACKBERRY LANE. I THINK THIS IS THE BEST PRESENTATION I HAVE SEEN. MY ENTIRE TIME HERE AT PZA, I WOULD LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN ON MY TEAM AT ANY TIME ANY PLACE. A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION AND AS A RETIRED ARCHITECT, I WAS THAT THE ARCHITECTURE CARRIED TODAY AND SO CAN GOOD SITE PLANNING. AND WHAT I SAW HERE IN TERMS OF HOUSING AND IN THE CORPORATION OF PRESERVES ÃÃYOU KNOW ÃÃ IT MADE ME FEEL GOOD.

IN FACT, THE WHOLE PRESENTATION PMADE ME FEEL GOOD UNTIL WE GOT TO COUNTY ROAD 210.

DOG GONE IT. AGAIN AND AGAIN WE ARE CONFRONTED WITH ROADS THAT JUST DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY AND IN SO MANY WAYS THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL AND WONDERFUL PROJECT THAT IS STILL JUST TOO SOON. AND I HATE TO SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW ÃÃI HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS DEVELOPER, THIS DEVELOPER HAS ALREADY SHOWN WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

LOOK, I'VE TO SAY THAT I'M A FRIEND WHO LIVES IN SANDY CREEK AND I'VE NEVER BEEN THERE AND GOTTEN IN MY CAR AND DROVE. AND IT DROVE PAST THAT ONE AND ONLY ENTRY ON 210.

WHERE IS THIS PLACE? SO I HAD TO MAKE A U-TURN THERE AT THE TRUCK STOP.

I HAD TO GO BACK AND MAKE AN ILLEGAL U-TURN AND I 95 AND 210 AND TAKE MY LIFE IN MY HANDS FORTUNATELY WAS IN THE EVENING AND COME BACK AND LOOK CLOSELY AND THERE WAS.

BUT TO LEAVE ÃÃJUST LIKE ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE SAID ÃÃ OH MY GOSH! I HAD TO ONCE AGAIN GO UP AND I HAD TO GO EAST AND MAKE A U-TURN AND GO WEST.O I KNOW ÃÃI KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. THE SECOND EXIT WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THAT ÃÃI THOUGHT THIS IS FANTASTIC. THIS REALLY IS FANTASTIC.

BUT ÃÃTHE MORE YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS AND I KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME MITIGATION AND SOME RELIEF IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC FOR NOT HAVING THE INDUSTRIAL Ã ÃBUT THE ROAD IS STILL DEFICIENT. YOU HAVE THAT ÃÃTHOSE STATISTICS AND THAT MAP IN YOUR AND AGAIN AND AGAIN ÃÃYOU KNOW ÃÃWE'VE BEEN CONFRONTED WITH THIS OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS AND HAVE REGRETFULLY HAD TO DENY OR RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PROJECTS THAT DO NOT MEET AGAIN ÃÃDOCTOR HILLS AND VEXES A 125C WHERE THERE IS INADEQUATE AND INCOMPATIBLE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT DOES NOT YET HAVE FUNDING. THOSE GROUNDS FOR DENIAL, IT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY HAVE TO RESULT IN DENIAL. BUT THOSE ARE GROUNDS AND I THINK YOU'LL HEAR AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN JUST THE NATURE OF THIS TRAFFIC ÃÃTHIS HORRENDOUS TRAFFIC. DO NOT KNOW AND I'M NOT THE LEGAL PEOPLE HERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE 300 ENTITLED UNITS ÃÃYOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD ALL APPROVE RECOMMENDATION WITH CONDITIONS OF THE 300 ENTITLED UNITS ARE APPROVED, BUT NOT ANYMORE. I DO NOT KNOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. SIR? WE HAVE ONE MORE.

>> I JUST NEED TO GRAB MY PEN. >> OKAY.

[LAUGHTER] >> MY NAME IS HARRY CAMPBELL. 20 CHEVY LAKE COURT AT THE SANDY CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD AND I AM SPEAKING AS A HOMEOWNER. NOT AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. THE ELIMINATION OF COMMERCIAL IS AN OBVIOUS CORRECT THING TO DO AND GETTING THAT DONE NOW IS I THINK IMPORTANT TO CREATE ASSURANCE WITH THE RESIDENTS

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THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME WITH THE PLAN IN PLACE TO ADDRESS THE FOUR LANE SECTION OF ÃÃ210 FROM I-95 PAST MOON BAY PARKWAY IS WHAT I REALLY HERE TODAY.

I WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD. THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT OBVIOUSLY HAS VESTED RIGHTS AND HAS A RIGHT TO BUILD WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS.

OKAY? SHOULD BE GRANTED THAT MANY TRIPS IF YOU WILL THAT'S ON THE BOOKS. BUT IT ÃÃGOING FORWARD. ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ADDED THAT THESE CATEGORY 210 Ã ÃTHE COUNTY ASKED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A ROADWAY THAT IS BEST EFFICIENT AND ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT SPREADSHEET IS 1.41.72.3 PERCENT DEFICIENT. I ASSUME THAT CHANGES A LITTLE BIT WITH FOUR LANES OF THE TWO LANE SECTION. BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN ADEQUATE FOR I BELIEVE ON THE COUNTY PART TO LOOK AT EXTENDING THE SIX LANE AS FAR AS POSSIBLE. IT EXTENDS TO A POINT, ACCORDING TO THE PLANS, WOULD BE EAST OF EW ABBEY ROAD WITH A DROP LANE AND DEW ABBEY ROAD AS YOU ARE GOING WESTBOUND. EASTBOUND TRAFFIC IS STILL CLOGGED UP TWO LANES AND THEY OPENED UP SIX PAST EW ABBEY ROAD. AND IN MY OPINION OF 40 SOMETHING YEARS OF DOING THIS THAT EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND THAT IS A POSITIVE ÃÃ WHEN I WAS COMMUNICATING WITH THE COUNTY IN DECEMBER ÃÃ THERE WERE NO PLANS TO ADDRESS THE FOUR LANE SECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 210 FROM I-95 TO PAST MOON BAY PARKWAY.

TO TIE INTO THE EXISTING LEFT LANE AND THERE WAS AN ONGOING DISCUSSION ON THE DEVELOPMENTS RESPONSIBILITY TO DO A PROJECT THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, BEEN AWARDED.

SO I JUST WANT TO GET ON THE RECORD THE 172.3 AND SUGGEST THAT A COMPROMISE ROUND-TRIP ALLOWED UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE COUNTY ROAD 210. WIDENING IS APPROVED BETWEEN I-95 AND THE CORRECT PLATE SECTION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS WILLIAM ROGERS.

SPRING CREEK ÃJUST 120 SPRING CREEK WAY. WE WERE THE FIRST HOME IN THE SECOND DEVELOPMENT. THE STORM AND ALL OF THAT THAT'S A QUESTION THAT FLOODED OVER SIMPSON CREEK WAS SEPTEMBER 11, 2017.E CANNOT GET OUT ÃÃCOULD NOT GET IN FORESTRY DIVISION. AND IF Y'ALL NEED TO SEE PICTURES ÃÃI'VE GOT IT OF THEM COMING THROUGH THE WATER. THE CREEK DID GO DOWN. BUT THIS BIGGEST THING TO KNOW ABOUT THIS IS PRIOR TO THE HURRICANE ÃÃWE'VE HAD A NOR'EASTER.

SO WE GOT FLOODED ÃÃMOST OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY GOT FLOODED. THE CRAB SHACK WAS COMPLETELY IN WATER AND THE COUNTY WAS COMPLETELY IN WATER PER THIS WAS A ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME PROBABLY EVENT. BUT THE SECOND AND BIGGEST THING IS THAT WE'VE GOT TO GET A SECOND EXIT AND ENTRANCE INTO THE SUBDIVISION. I GOT A ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SERVICE OFFICER THAT LIVES OUT THERE AND I'VE ASKED THEM ABOUT DOING ROUNDABOUT.

WHO HAS OR EXCUSE ME THOUGH. THE U-TURN ÃÃWHO HAS THE ABILITY TO GO FIRST TO THE TRUCK STOP OR THE CARS? AND THEY SAID WELL ÃÃ TECHNICALLY YOU DO DOING THE U-TURN. HE SAID HOWEVER 90 PRCENT OF THE TIME THEY DON'T LOOK AT THAT STOP SIGN AND IF THEY DON'T SEE ANYBODY COMING ÃÃ THEY DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE RETURNING. THEY ARE GOING TO RUN RIGHT INTO YOU AND WHO'S GOING TO LOSE? WE ARE. HEARD IN MULTIPLE MULTIPLE ACCIDENTS.IF Y'ALL GO BACK AND LOOK AT LAST TIME THIS WAS BROUGHT UP TO Y'ALL'S BOARD, THEY START LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF DEFTLY FATALITIES BETWEEN TA, THE PILOT, AND 95.

THERE'S TOO MANY. COMING IN THIS MORNING ÃÃ EXCUSE ME.

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I WENT STOPPED ÃÃI'VE BEEN TOTALLY DEMOLISHED. MY WIFE MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE BEEN HERE TODAY. SO THAT'S GOT TO BE DONE. I BIGGEST CONCERN THOUGH IS LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF TRIPS YOU'RE SEEING THESE TRUCKS COULD COME IF THEY DO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. 2300 A DAY. IF IT TAKES FIVE OR 10 SCALE DIVISION RIGHT NOW THROW A SEMI OR TWO BACK UP IN FRONT OF US Ã ÃIT'LL BE 20 OR 30 MINUTES BEFORE WE CAN GET OUT. SO I ASK THAT YOU REALLY CONSIDER GOING WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DOING AWAY WITH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND ADDING THAT SECOND ENTRANCE AND SECOND TO US. IT'S NOT JUST FOR THEM AS DEVELOPERS.

IT'S FOR US IF WE EVER HAVE TO RESELL OUR HOUSES. IT'S APPEALING COMING IN AND SEEING THIS AND WE'RE GONNA SAY FORGET THIS. I'LL GO DOWN TO BEACH WATER OR I WILL GO DOWN TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTRY AND WE WILL LOSE THAT IN SALES.HAT'S NOT FAIR TO

US AS A TAXPAYER. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE

TO COME UP AND SPEAK? >> HELLO EVERYONE. I AM DONNA JENSEN.

I LIVE AT 168 LINDEN LAKE LANE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SANDY CREEK.

MY HUSBAND SPOKE FIRST AND I SORT OF DISAGREED WITH HIM BUT SOME ÃÃI AGREE WITH THESE LAST FEW PEOPLE IN ÃÃTHE ONLY THING THAT I DISAGREE WITH THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS ADDING EXTRA RESIDENTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE THESE THINGS ARE UNDERWAY WITH THE ROADS, THE NEW ROAD OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND INTO OF COURSE 210. ADDING MORE RESIDENTS. THIS ROAD ÃÃLET ME JUST BACK UP A MINUTE. THE ROAD GOING IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS RIGHT BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL. THIS TO ME IS CRAZY TO MAKE IT ÃÃSO, SINCE WE BUILT THIS, WE CAN WAS DOUBLE OUR POPULATION AND SANDY CREEK. THAT IS NUTS.

I'M SORRY. I CANNOT PICTURE THAT. BUT I THINK OBVIOUSLY IS RIGHT AND I WAS AT THE LAST MEETING. THE RESIDENTS SAID WE DO NOT WANT INDUSTRIAL OF COURSE.

BUT TO ADD MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO THE NUMBER THAT CAN BE BILLED AT THIS POINT IS IRRESPONSIBLE IN MY OPINION. BECAUSE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE FOR THAT.

AND THIS IS KIND OF HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE ARE OUT THERE MAY BE AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING CAN BE DONE. BUT I'M JUST GOING TO THROW IT OUT THERE.CAN WE JUST LIKE GET RID OF ONE OF THE TRUCK STOPS OUT THERE? I KNOW THAT'S CRAZY ÃÃBUT IS THAT POSSIBLE? COULD SOMETHING BE DONE OUT THERE WERE REMOVE A TRUCK STOP TO A DIFFERENT EXIT? I DO NOT KNOW.

JUST A THOUGHT. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME. >> THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? COME ON UP. >> PAM GRETA, 171 LINDA LAKE LANE. I HAVE TWO THINGS TO SAY. FIRST OF ALL ÃÃMY DAUGHTER IS 17 YEARS OLD AND SHE'S GOT A PULLOUT. SHE'S A DRIVER AND SHE HAS TO PULL OUT ONTO THAT ROAD. AND DO A U-TURN TO GO ANYWHERE. IN GOING TO THAT CRAZY TRAFFIC.

IF THAT EXTRA ROAD ABSOLUTELY FOR MY MOM'S PERSPECTIVE ÃÃ THE 100 ÃÃI'M 100 PERCENT FOR IT. SECOND OF ALL ÃÃTHE BRINGING IN THE INDUSTRIAL ÃÃI AM AGAINST. WE DO NOT WANT THAT. BUT PUTTING IN NEW HOUSING PTHAT'S ALSO GOING TO LOWER THE ÃÃI AM A REALTOR AS WELL. SO IT'S GOING TO LOWER WHAT OUR HOUSES ARE WORTH AND ALSO MAKE PEOPLE LOOK ÃÃI'VE TRIED SELLING MY HOUSE AND A LOT OF THE OPINIONS OF PEOPLE IS THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO COME INTO THE AREA BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ROADS ARE. SO IF WE HAD ANOTHER WAY TO GET OUT ÃÃI THINK PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE AND SELL THEIR HOUSE TO GET OUT OF SANDY CREEK.

IT WOULD HELP THEM TO BE ABLE TO SELL EASIER. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. SEEING NONE ÃÃSIR, WOULD YOU

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SPEAK ÃÃGO AHEAD AND GO TO THE OTHER MICROPHONE. >> HELLO.

MY NAME IS JOHN CO. CHANCE KEY. I'M A NEW RESIDENT IN SANDY CREEK.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE HAVE SAID ÃÃBUT MOST CERTAINLY FOR THE NEW ROAD. THE CROSSROAD COMING IN ÃÃ THEY WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS TO NOT AT LEAST HAVE THAT ROAD APPROVED THAT ROAD. THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT IN. SPECIALLY AFTER FINDING OUT THAT THE LITTLE CREEK THAT WE GO OVER THAT PEOPLE WORKED FOR DAYS WAS NOT ABLE TO GET OUT OR IN. THAT'S JUST CRAZY. AND THAT WAS IN 2017 I THINK.

A GENTLEMAN ÃÃI'M SURPRISED IT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN DONE. BUT I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. IN REFERENCE TO THE ROAD ABSOLUTELY.

THE ROAD SHOULD BE APPROVED AND IT SHOULD BE PLACED IN. AND I ALSO LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT TWO GENTLEMEN SET HERE IN REFERENCE TO FIXING 210. TWO LANE MAKING IT A FOUR LANE.

THAT'S RIGHT AT THAT MOON BAY OR WHATEVER IS COMING OUT. I'VE ONLY BEEN IN THE DEVELOPMENT FOR TWO MONTHS. IT SEEMS ALMOST IRRESPONSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO BUILD AND SELL MORE UNITS UNTIL BOTH THE CROSSROAD IS PLACED AND THE ROAD IS FIXED BECAUSE THERE'S Ã ÃTHE CROSSROAD IS GOING TO ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT. SO YOU ARE ADDING A LOT OF PEOPLE WHERE YOU LIVE RIGHT NOW. TO THE PEOPLE COMING OUT DOWN MOON BAY AND THEY ARE COMING DOWN TO THIS CONGESTED AREA. SO WHY NOT APPROVE THE CROSSROAD AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE GONNA PUT MORE HOMES IN THERE. I'M DEFINITELY AGAINST COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL TYPE THINGS. BUT WAIT UNTIL THE CROSSROAD GETS FINISHED AND 210 GETS

FINISHED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> MR. MARTIN ZI? >> THE IT EASY THING TO ADDRESS IS THAT THE TEXT DOES SAY UNTIL THE CROSSROAD IS PUT IN, WE ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANY OCCUPANCY FOR ANY ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENT BEYOND THE 383. IT WAS CLEAR IN THE TEXT MANDATED BY THE STAFF AND WE ALSO KNEW THAT IT WOULD BE MANDATED BY THE STAFF. THE THING THAT I KIND OF WANT TO SPEAK TO THE RESIDENTS ABOUT IN RESPONSE TO THEM IS THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN ON THEIR 383 HOUSES ÃÃWE PAID CONCURRENCY. AND THAT CONCURRENCY GOES TO MULTIPLE SEGMENTS ALONG CR 210 AND OTHER ROADS THAT ARE DEEMED TO BE ACCESSIBLE.

AND IN THAT SAME WAY ÃÃBEACON HAS PAID CONCURRENCY THAT WOULD'VE PAVED OUR SEGMENT.

BEACH WALK IS PAID CONCURRENCY IN TWIN CREEK HAS PAID CONCURRENCY.

I KNOW FOUNTAIN APARTMENTS JUST GOT APPROVED FOR 970,000 OF CONCURRENCY.

BRIDGEWATER. AND WE WILL BE PAYING MORE CONCURRENCY.

THE THING THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT ONCE WE PAY CONCURRENCY, IT GOES INTO A FUND AND WE NEED AND CANNOT DICTATE THAT IT GETS USED ON OUR SEGMENT IN FRONT OF CR 210.

IT'S NOT ÃÃWE CANNOT SAY THAT WELL ÃÃWE ARE KNOCKING TO DO THIS AND WE ARE NOT GONNA DO THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHERE THOSE DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT.

AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUNDING ÃÃI DON'T HAVE THE COMPUTING POWER TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN COLLECTED BY THE COUNTY FOR THAT SEGMENT BETWEEN 95 AND MOON BAY AT THIS POINT.

BUT I KNOW ONE THING. IT'S GOT TO BE IN THE MILLIONS. AND AGAIN ÃÃIT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT WAS A 72 MILLION. THE COUNTY IS NOT OBLIGATED TO USE THAT MONEY ON THAT SEGMENT.

THE USE IT WHERE THEY FEEL IT'S NEEDED. I THINK THAT MR. DESOUSA MADE IT QUITE CLEAR THAT THE COUNTY REALIZES THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

THEY ARE IN ENGINEERING.E CAN SPEAK TO THIS, BUT I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. DESOUSA A WHILE AGO AND I SAID I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE A YEAR AGO.

AND IT MIGHT BE A CONVERSATION A YEAR AGO OR 18 MONTHS IN ONE OF THE REASONS THIS LITTLE SEGMENT OF 210 BETWEEN 95 AND MOON BAY WAS SOMEWHAT DELAYED IS ALSO THAT WE HAVE F. IS REDOING THE WHOLE EXIT AND INTERIM GRANTS AND OVERHEADS AND EVERYTHING ON A 95.O HOW DO YOU REALLY FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE SEGMENT UNTIL YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT F.IS DOING. HE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IF HE'S STILL HERE.

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AND THE PATCH IS THAT WE PUT IN THE SECOND ACCESS IN. GET PEOPLE TO MOON BAY AND WHILE WE START PUTTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS OVER THE NEXT 5+ YEARS WHILE THIS IS GOING FORWARD ÃÃTHE COUNTY FIGURES OUT 210 ÃÃTHEY FIND OUT THE FUNDING FOR IN ADDITION TO THE FUNDING THEY RECEIVED FOR THAT SEGMENT WE ADDED BRIDGEWATER CONTINUES TO DEVELOP UNLESS THEY PAY ALL THE CONCURRENCY. AND WE ÃÃTHAT'S ALL WE CAN DO. THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO IN MY HEART AND OUR HEART OF MR. SUN IS OUT. WE KNOW THERE'S A PROBLEM AND WE ARE WILLING TO DO OUR PART.

THE BEST WE CAN DO IS TO PUT IN THE CROSSWALK. OR THE CROSSING ÃÃEXCUSE ME.

AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE CONTROL OVER. SO I ASKED THAT YOU GUYS RESPECTFULLY THAT YOU RECOMMEND OUR PUD MOUNT UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

>> I MAY NOT HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A

MOTION. MRS. SPIEGEL? >> BEFORE WE DO THAT, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION SINCE I'M KIND OF NEW MADAM CHAIR. IF WE WERE TO RECOMMEND A CHANGE IN REDUCTION IN NUMBERS AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT ÃÃHOW WOULD THAT LOOK?

IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN TALK TO STAFF A LITTLE BIT ABOUT? >> THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO

AGREE TO THAT FIRST OFF. >> I'M JUST CURIOUS AND I APOLOGIZE FOR JUST DROPPING

THIS.UT æ >> YES. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION YOU HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT AND IF THEY AGREE YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION AND WE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON? >> I WOULD JUST BE INTERESTED TO QUERY. WOULD THAT BE A POSSIBILITY IF THERE WAS JUST A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS ATTACHED TO THIS? I DO REALIZE THIS GOES BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION STEP.

BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU GUYS ARE JUST ABSOLUTELY FIRM AND SET ON THAT NUMBER.> WELL ÃÃSO IS WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE 264 ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENTS.

THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. OKAY? I BELIEVE OUT OF THE 320 THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ÃÃTHAT'S GOING UP TOP THERE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED THE TOLL OR THE 320. SO YES ÃÃCOULD I SAY THAT WE COULD GO DOWN TO YOU KNOW ÃÃ 240 INSTEAD OF 264 AND MAYBE WE MOVE THINGS AROUND? WE COULD MAKE MINOR CONCESSIONS ÃÃBUT TO SIT THERE AND GET RID OF THE WHOLE 264 ÃÃWE CANNOT DO THAT.

IT'S GOING TO COST OVER $4 MILLION TO DO THE CROSSING. WE ARE PAYING DR HORTON OVER HALF $1 MILLION FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON MOON BAY PARKWAY.

AS WELL AS I DID NOT EVEN BRING ENTATION. BUT WE HAVE ALSO SECURED ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THE LAST 283 ÃÃI BELIEVE 200 OR 280 FEET OF MOON BAY PARKWAY.

SO THAT IF THERE IS A NEED ÃÃ REMEMBER WE SOFTLY GO THROUGH CONCURRENCY.

AND AS WE GET THROUGH PHASING Ã ÃIT MAY GRADE OUT MOON BAY GRADE OUT HEARTS GOING TO FAIL AND IT FAILS AND WE PUT A SECOND RIGHT OUT ÃÃWE ARE ALREADY SECURITY THAT.

>> SO YOU WANT TO MOVE ÃÃAS THE APPLICATION IS RIGHT NOW Ã JUST WANT TO KEEP IT SAFE,

RIGHT? >> IF YOU WANT ME TO GIVE ÃÃ I'M WILLING TO GIVE UP THE 20

ENTITLEMENTS. >> I JUST WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> IF THAT'S NECESSARY TO GET IT THROUGH ÃÃSO THAT WE CAN SO I CAN GET A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ÃÃIF YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

IF THAT'S REQUIRED TO PAY 20 Ã ÃSTILL PICKING UP 160 ÃÃ160 TRIPS A DAY.

>> IS THERE A MOTION MR. GREEN? I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COUNTY COMMISSION TO FIGURE THAT OUT.F IT MATTERS. IT MAY OR MAY NOT.

REQUESTS FOR MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE SANDEE CREEK PUD ORDINANCE 2003¤7 AS AMENDED TO ADD A SECONDARY ACCESS TO COUNTY ROAD 210 TO MOVE CURRENTLY ADJUSTED ENTITLEMENTS TO ADD ADDITIONAL MULTI FAMILY SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS. AND TO REVISE THE MASTER

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[LAUGHTER] >> SO YOUR MOTION WAS FOR APPROVAL.

>> I'M SORRY. I READ THE I SHOULD HAVE READ JUST THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MAJOR MOD. SORRY ABOUT THAT. MAJOR MOD AT 22 ÃSANDY CREEK PUD BASED ON THE SIX FINDINGS OF FACTS PROVIDED WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> WILL MOTION OF APPROVAL THERE. SECOND?

>> SECOND.> I WAS DOING SOME ADDING UP THERE. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

[LAUGHTER] >> IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?> YES.

I LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE TODAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT WE APPROVE.

WE APPROVED THE WHOLE PACKAGE. OR NOTHING. SO WE CANNOT JUST SAY YES POINT WE APPROVE THE ROAD. WHICH I THINK EVERYONE WANTS. IT'S NEEDED.

ABSOLUTELY. EVEN THOUGH IT IS NORTH OF THE SAMPSON CREEK BRIDGE.

WHICH IS AN ISSUE. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO SAY YES ÃÃWE WANT THAT.

AND YES ÃÃWE WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. I THINK EVERYONE WAS IN AGREEMENT ON THAT. WE CANNOT JUST DO THAT. THIS ALL HAS TO BE A PACKAGE.

YOU KNOW?F YOU COULD LIMIT IT TO THE 435 HOUSES THAT YORTY HAVE ENTITLED ÃÃTHAT MIGHT BE GREAT. YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO 64 MORE. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO VOTE IT UP OR DOWN BASED ON WHAT IS PRESENTED TO US AND THE WHOLE PACKAGE IS AND WHAT THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE. SO WE CAN'T PICK THINGS OUT IN A PERFECT WORLD WE COULD.

WE COULD SAY THAT WE WANT THE ROAD AND WE WANT TO DO WAY WITH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

BUT YOU KNOW ÃÃWE CAN'T JUST DO THAT.ND I REALLY DO FEEL FOR MR. MARTIN NEWSY WHEN I SPOKE WITH HIM YESTERDAY. KNOW HIS HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

HE'S STRIVING TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE PROPERTY.

I BELIEVE HE'S PASSIONATE AND COMMITTED TO DOING THE RIGHT THING HERE.

BUT I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE OF ALL THE TRAFFIC ISSUES AND YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT MR. MARTIN NEWSY ÃÃYOU DO NOT HAVE CONTROL OF THIS COUNTY FUNDS AND WHERE THEY GO ON TO TO 10 OR 210 EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE PAYING THAT CONCURRENCY. IT'S JUST NOT PERFECT WORLD AND I'M REALLY SORRY. I WISH WE COULD WAVE A WAND AND FIX THIS.

BUT THIS IS WHY IT GAVE ME A HEADACHE. THIS IS A REALLY DIFFICULT ONE TO GRAPPLE WITH. AND I ÃÃI APPRECIATE YOUR POSITION.

ABSOLUTELY DO. AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND THE OFFERS YOU'VE MADE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? >> IF NOT, LET'S REGISTER THE BOAT. THIS IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. RECOMMENDATIONS?

>> GREG IS NOT HERE. SO ÃÃIT'S 3Ö. HOW DO WE PROCEED?

>> UNDER YOUR RULE ÃÃTHE TECHNICAL MOTION FOR NON-APPROVAL AND IT WILL STILL

PASS ON. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

>> UNLESS THERE IS SOME OTHER MOTION THAT THE BOARD WANTS TO MAKE.

>> IS GREG COMING BACK? >> HE IS NOT. >> OKAY.

HE HAD TO LEAVE. THE MOTION STANDS THEN.'ALL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY

[Agency Reports]

THAT CONCLUDES OUR LAST ITEM. IS THERE ANY STAFF REPORTS?

>> A TIE MEANS THE MOTION FAILS. IT GOES ON TO THE BC CCS NOT T PASSING.

OKAY. STAFF REPORTS? >> THERE ARE NO STAFF REPORTS.

>> ANY AGENCY REPORTS? >> SADNESS.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> MRS. SPIEGEL? >> I JUST WANTED TO WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY HANUKKAH. IT STARTS TONIGHT AND I HOPE YOU ALL ARE ENJOYING THIS

HOLIDAY SEASON AND GOD BLESS EVERYBODY. >> THANK YOU.

>> OUR NEXT MEETING IS ÃÃARE

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