Dec 05, 2023 Board of County Commissioners

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EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THERE ARE MATERIALS FOR THIS MEETING THE COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER AGENDAS AND MINUTES. WHEN SHE FINALLY AGENDA YOU CAN CLICK ON IT TO ACCESS THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS. THE PUBLIC CAN COMMENT ON ANY@THE BILLY AGENDA ITEM. COMMENT TIME IS 3 MINUTES. SHOULD THE PRESENTER HAVE MATERIAL OR PHOTOGRAPHS GIVEN TO THE CLERK FOR INCLUSION OF THE RECORD. AND WITH THAT WE WILL HAVE ROLL CALL.

>> CHAIR COMMISSIONER SARAH ARNOLD, VICE CHAIR ROY ALAIMA, COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST, COMMISSIONER HENRY DEAN, COMMISSIONER KRISTA JOSEPH.

>> NOW WE WILL HAVE THE CHAPLAIN FROM THE ST. JOHN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION.

>> GOOD MORNING. AS THE CHRISTMAS SEASON COMES AROUND MY SON AND I LIKE TO GO ON YOUTUBE AND FIND ALL THE CHRISTMAS SPECIALS. ONE OF THE CHRISTMAS SPECIALS I LIKE THE BEST IS THE CHARLIE BROWN ONE. THEY SAID CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT CHRISTMAS IS ALL ABOUT AND OF COURSE LINUS COMES IN AND SAYS OF COURSE I CAN. AND THEY READ FROM LUKE CHAPTER 2. THE ANGEL SAID TO THEM FEAR NOT FOR EVERY GOOD TIDINGS COMES GREAT JOY TO ALL PEOPLE. FROM THIS DAY THERE WAS BORN A SAVIOR DAVID OF CHRIST THE LORD IN THE SHALL BE ASSIGNED TO YOU. AND LYING IN A MANGER. AND THEY WERE WITH THEM PRAISING GOD IS SAYING LORD GOD THE HIGHEST GOODWILL TOWARDS MEN AND THEY CAME TO PASS THE ANGELS HAD GONE AWAY FROM THEM IN HEAVEN AND THEY SHEPHERD ONE ANOTHER AND NOW GO TO BETHLEHEM AND SEE THIS THING WHICH HAS COME TO PASS WHICH THE LORD HAD MADE

KNOWN INTO US. LET US PRAY. >> HEAVENLY GOD WE COME BEFORE YOU WILL LORD WE COME TO YOU THIS TIME OF YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER AND WE PRAY TO GOD WE LOOK BACK AND WE ARE REMINDED OF THE LORD EVEN IN THE CARTOON DEAR LORD THE GOOD NEWS THAT YOU SENT YOUR SON AND WE THANK YOU FOR THIS HEAVENLY FATHER.

THIS TIME OF YEAR CAN ALSO BE HARD HEAVENLY FATHER'S AS WE FIND THOSE DEAR GOD WHO ARE NOT AROUND US ANYMORE THEY HAVE GONE HOME TO BE WITH YOU. WE PRAY GOD BRING US THOSE PEACE AND COMFORT INTO MOMMY AND DADDY. I PRAY YOU BLESS EACH OF THEM A LORD I PRAY YOU BLESS THE CONGREGATION AND EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM. WE PRAY DEAR GOD THE COMMISSIONERS YOUR WORK AS WE ASK FOR WISDOM THAT YOU WILL GIVE IT TO US TODAY HEAVENLY FATHER AND LORD WE THANK YOU AND PRAY GOD OH LORD FOR HIS FAMILY. WE PRAY GOD TO GIVE THEM THE PEACE AND COMFORT DURING THIS CHRISTMAS SEASON. WE LOVE YOU AND WE PRAISE YOU AND WE THANK GOD FOR ALL THOSE WHO WORK SO HARD TO MAKE OUR COUNTY BETTER. IN JESUS'S PRECIOUS NAME, AMEN.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH CHAPLAIN. NOW IT IS OUR HONOR TO HAVE COLONEL L DUDLEY LEAD US IN GO MORNING MR. DUDLEY.

>> IF EVERYONE WOULD FACE OUR FLAG AND FOLLOW ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR NATION FLAG. I PLEDGE

[Presentation in Remembrance of Paul Waldron, beloved District 3 County Commissioner]

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH SIR. >> MADAME CHAIRMAN? CAN I SAY A QUICK WORD? BELL, I WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW WHO HAS NOT HEARD MOST OF YOU HAVE THAT WE LOST ONE OF OUR HEROES LAST WEEK SERGEANT MAJOR RAY QUINN. HE WAS NOT ONLY A GREAT SOLDIER, HE WAS A GREAT COMMUNITY ACTIVIST HELPING THE UNDERPRIVILEGED AND PEOPLE PARTICULARLY VETERANS OBVIOUSLY AND HE SERVED WITH BILL I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS? WE WILL MISS RAY AND ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED THE SERVICE IS NEXT

WEEK. NEXT THURSDAY. >> THURSDAY THE 14TH WILL BE

AT 6:00. A MEMORIAL SERVICE. >> AND THE PUBLIC IS INVITED.

WE WOULD LOVE EVERYONE TO COME OUT AND PAY THEIR RESPECT.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. DEAN. NOW WE HAVE COMMISSIONER

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>> THANK YOU COUNTY CHAIR THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

WE WILL TAKE SOME TIME THIS MORNING TO REMEMBER OUR FRIENDS A MAN WHO IS A WONDERFUL COMMISSIONER. TO DO THAT PROPERLY I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THE ENTIRE BOARD DOWN TO THE FLOOR. I THINK THIS IS AN OCCASION THAT WARRANTS THE ENTIRE BOARD WITH THESE PRESENTATIONS. WHILE THEY ARE MAKING THEIR WAY DOWN TO THE FLOOR BEFORE WE GET INTO PRESENTATIONS AND OUR THOUGHTS AND MEMORIES OF PAUL OUR COUNTY HAS PREPARED A VIDEO AS A TRIBUTE.

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>> THINK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. BEFORE WE GET INTO ANYTHING ELSE I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TO HONOR THIS MAN. TO HELP US HONOR HIM PROPERLY AS A LONGTIME FRIEND A MAN WHO IS A SEVEN YEAR MEMBER OF DISTRICT TWO WHO IS A TWO-TIME CHAIRMAN OF THE SPORT OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND NOW THE PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA FARM BUREAU. IT IS MY PRIVILEGE AND HONOR TO INVITE MR. JEFF STONE.

>> I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS THINK YOU MADAM CHAIR FOR HONORING. WHAT A PRIVILEGE IT IS HE TO BE HERE TODAY AND I SINCERELY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE PRECIOUS TIME TO RECOGNIZE THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE COMMISSIONER. IT IS AN EMOTIONAL TIME FOR MANY AND IT'S HARD TO LOSE YOUR SERVANT A MAN OF TEMPERANCE AND COMPASSION. IT'S DIFFICULT TO LOSE A FRIEND OR A HUSBAND OR A FATHER. A GIFTED LEADER. WE HAVE HAD TO MOVE ON TO OUR RESPECT DUTIES AND TASKS AND ASSUME RESPONSIBILITIES HOWEVER IT IS A BLESSING TO BRING THE REMEMBRANCE OF THE GENUINE SERVANT FOR THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. PROVERBS 22 VERSE 1 A GOOD NAME IS RATHER TO BE CHOSEN THAN GREAT RICHES.

AND A LOVING FAVOR RATHER THAN SERVICE. THIS VERSE REMINDS ME OF THE COMMISSIONER AND HIS TESTIMONY AND IT'S MY OPINION THAT PAUL POSSESSED A GOOD NAME AND WAS TRULY FAVORED. IN LIGHT OF HIS MEMORY AND WANT TO SHARE A LITTLE POEM. IT'S AN HONOR FOR ME ON THIS DAY TO BE HERE TO RECOGNIZE PAUL.

MISNER'S I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTFUL RECOGNITION OF ONE OF YOUR OWN AND HIS CONTRIBUTION. HOWEVER, ONE THING I BELIEVE I KNOW IS THAT PAUL HIMSELF THIS HONOR WOULD NEVER BESTOW HERE THE WALDRON FAMILY HAD A HISTORY OF PUBLIC SERVICE HISTORY. BOTH COMMISSIONERS WERE CALLED TO SERVE. THESE AND GOT ABOVE. ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS ALL OF OUR HOME AND TOO MANY RESIDENTS IT HAS BECOME.

HOWEVER THERE SOMETHING SPECIAL TO BE WORN AND REARED RIGHT HERE TO RAISE HER FAMILY. THIS COMMUNITY LOVE THEIR PEOPLE.

HE BORE MANY TITLE MONIKER AND NAMES. DAD, DEAR, POP POP AND COMMISSIONER. AND THEN HE BECAME CHAIRMAN, MASTER, WOULDN'T AN TO NAME A FEW. COACH AND FRIENDS. PAUL WAS SELECTED TO BE A COUNTY COMMISSIONER A JOB THAT HE HAD WITH GREAT SERVICE HE WAS CALLED TO SERVE HIS COMMUNITY AND WAS DONE WITH THE UTMOST INTEGRITY. HE WAS THOUGHTFUL

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ANOTHER THING ABOUT THE COMMISSIONER THAT I WILL SAY IS HE LOVED THE STAFF. HIS GRATITUDE FOR ALL AND EACH OF YOU AND HE WOULD MISS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. AGAIN, I KNOW THE COMMISSION IS BUSY AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME COMMITTED TO A PROCLAMATION SUCH AS THIS. I THINK YOU FOR MAKING THIS HIS DAY. MAY GOD BLESS OUR NATION AND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AS WE SEEK FAITH IN EACH AND ALL OF YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> STEPHANIE WOULD YOU AND ASHLEY IN THE WHOLE WALTER FAMILY COME TO THE FLOOR? I

WOULD APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

BEFORE I PRESENT YOU WITH THE AWARD COMMEMORATING THIS AS PAUL WALTER DAY I WANTED TO SHARE A STORY OR TWO.

EVERYBODY KNOWS PAUL DIFFERENTLY. HE MIGHT'VE REMEMBERED GROWING UP WITH HIM AND WHAT A BLESSING IT MIGHT'VE BEEN. YOU MIGHT HAVE KNOWN IT AS A COMMISSION. WE WERE BACK IN 2015 FIRST INTRODUCTION TO PAUL WALTER IN THE WARMTH AND BILLY WAS EVIDENT IMMEDIATELY. AND THAT IS WHAT DREW ME TO PAUL WALTER. WHEN I BECAME A COMMISSIONER THAT'S WHEN I REALLY GOT TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE MAN THAT PAUL WALTER IS AND WAS. A QUICK FUNNY STORY DURING THE FIRST MONTH AS A COMMISSIONER WE HAD OUR FIRST WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A CONTROVERSIAL ITEM AND WE WERE GETTING A LOT OF EMAILS AND I WALKED UP TO THE OFFICE ONE MORNING AND THERE IS PAUL STANDING NEXT TO JEFF AND HE SAID, COMMISSIONER COME OVER HERE ARE YOU GETTING ALL THE EMAILS ABOUT THAT ITEM AND I SAID YES SIR, I AM. I SAID I WENT TO A MEETING WHERE FOLKS WERE DISCUSSING THIS ITEM AND INSTEAD OF GRABBING MY CARDS I GRAB YOUR CARDS AND I WAS HANDING OUT ALL OF YOUR CARDS! [LAUGHTER] THEY LAUGHED. JEFF AND PAUL LAUGHED JUST LIKE YOU DID AND I SAID THIS GUY IS PLAYING TRICKS ON ME. THAT WAS MY INTRODUCTION TO BECOMING A COMMISSIONER. THE THING THAT ALWAYS STRUCK ME ABOUT YOUR HUSBAND AND YOUR FATHER PAUL IS THAT NO MATTER WHICH ITEMS WE DISCUSSED WE DID NOT ALWAYS THE SAME WAY. THERE WERE SOME ITEMS WHERE I WAS THE ONLY GUY VOTING ONE WAY IN THE OTHER FOUR VOTED THE OTHER WAY. PAUL WAS SUCH A GENTLEMAN AND A FRIEND. JUST BECAUSE WE DISAGREED ON AN AGENDA ITEM HE DID NOT BECOME DISAGREEABLE.

HE WAS A TRUE MAN OF GOD AND THE WORK HE DID AS A COMMISSIONER EATING ACCESS TO THE WATERWAYS, PROVIDING THE BOAT RAMP HIS PASSION FOR THAT WE ARE STILL DOING THAT TODAY BECAUSE OF HIS WORK. HIS PASSION FOR YOUTH SPORTS I KNOW HE SPENT SOME TIME AS A COACH MANY YEARS COACHING GIRLS SOCCER AND OTHER SPORTS. WE ARE STILL PURSUING THINGS BECAUSE PAUL WAS PASSIONATE ABOUT THEM THE MANY YEARS HE WAS A COMMISSIONER. I WANT TO SAY THAT PAUL HAD A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON MY LIFE AND WHETHER YOU KNEW PAUL OR NOT HE'S HAD A POSITIVE IMPACT ON YOUR LIFE AND YOU CAN DEFINE SUCCESS ANY DIFFERENT WAYS BUT THE BEST WAY OF HEART IT DEFINED IS TRUE SUCCESS IS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE BETTER OFF BECAUSE YOU LIFT? THERE ARE PEOPLE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY THAT MAY NEVER KNOW THE NAME PAUL WALTER BUT WILL HAVE A BETTER LIFE BECAUSE HE LIVES THE WAY HE DID. STEPHANIE I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I WANT TO PRESENT YOU WITH THIS AWARD. IF YOU ALL WANT TO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

>> GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING OUT

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[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER

[Public Safety Update ]

>> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONER. I HOPE YOU ALL ARE DOING WELL STARTING THE HOLIDAY SEASON. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE OF COURSE WITH THE HOLIDAYS IS AN INCREASE OF SHOPPING IN PERSON AND ONLINE. WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO HAVE COMMON SENSE OF SCAMS AND FRAUDS. THEY COME IN MANY FORMS. PHONE CALLS EMAILS AND TEXT. IF THEY ARE ASKING FOR PERSONAL INFORMATION, YOUR BANKING INFORMATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT YES, THEY ARE SUSPICIOUS. IF THEY ARE ASKING YOU TO PAY FOR A SERVICE WITH A GIFT CARD THAT IS ALSO A RED FLAG AS WELL. WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW ABOUT THAT. WITH THE HOLIDAYS WE WILL HAVE AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IN THE KITCOUNTY. DOWNTOWN EVERYONE WANTS TO SEE THE LIGHTS AND WE HAVE EXTRA TRAFFIC WITH THAT.

AS WELL AS MERCHANT PATROL TO PATROL OUR LARGER SHOPPING AREAS. WE WILL ALSO BE ADDING BIKE PATROLS WITH OUR NORMAL PATROL TO HELP WITH THAT. AS FAR AS THE DEAL GOES OUR COUNTDOWN IS 410. THANKS TO THE COUNTY WE HAVE RENOVATED 14 BLOCKS. WE ARE UP TO NUMBER 8 RIGHT NOW AND LUCKILY THE COUNTDOWN WE ARE ABLE TO SHUT DOWN A COUPLE BLOCKS TO GET THAT ALONG THE WAY. JUST IN CLOSING WE WANT PEOPLE TO REALLY BE CONSCIOUS OF THAT FRAUD IF THEY THINK THEY ARE A VICTIM OF FRAUD CONTACT BANKING INSTITUTION OR CONTACT US IF THEY ARE A VICTIM OF FRAUD AND SCAM AND WE WILL HELP THEM OUT.

DO ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?

>> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH SIR. >> POINT OF ORDER, MA'AM, I HAVE A QUESTION REALLY QUICK. I WANT TO POINT OUT YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING. I HAD A PROBLEM WITH A CONSTITUENT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU MET WITH HIM FOR 2 HOURS AND IT SOLVES GOING SOMEWHERE FORWARD SOLVING PROBLEMS WITH TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THIS IS FANTASTIC. WE ARE STILL A SMALL TOWN AND YOU TAKE THE TIME AND THE SHERIFF TAKES THE

TIME I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH IT'S GOOD

TO HEAR. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR.

GOOD MORNING CHIEF MCGEE. >> GOOD MORNING. SHALL MCGEE ACTING FIRE CHIEF. THIS MORNING I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT A FIRE FIGHTER RECRUITMENT CLASS. THIS GROUP OF FIREFIGHTERS ARE ENTERING THEIR FINAL WEEK OF THE EIGHT

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IT ALL COMES TOGETHER THIS WEEK WITH A COMPREHENSIVE LIFE TRAINING SCENARIO THIS THURSDAY AND FRIDAY AT OUR TRAINING LOCATION. THE EXECUTION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS TRAINING PROGRAM IS NO EASY TASK. IT IS A ALL HANDS ON EFFORT FOR MY TRAINING STAFF FOR A FULL EIGHT WEEKS. WITH THAT BEING SAID I WOULD LIKE TO THINK MY FIRE TRAINING STAFF IN MY EMS TRAINING STAFF LED BY DEPUTY CHIEF BOB SNOW ALONG WITH OUR OPERATIONS PERSONNEL WHO ASSISTED WITH THESE EFFORTS OVER THE LAST EIGHT WEEKS. THESE EFFORTS WILL PAY SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS IN THE PRODUCTION AND CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY. IF ANY OF YOU ARE AVAILABLE THURSDAY OR FRIDAY IT WOULD LIKE TO OBSERVE ANY OF THESE TRAININGS PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME AND MY STAFF AND WE WILL HELP SET THAT UP FOR YOU.

ADDITIONALLY WE WILL HOST A GRADUATION CEREMONY FOR THIS CLASS ON FRIDAY, DECEMBER 15 AT 6 PM. IT WILL TAKE PLACE AT COLONIAL CHURCH. THAT'S ON STATE ROAD 207 THE CEREMONY LAST AN HOUR AND EACH OF YOU ARE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO ATTEND

[Clerk of Court's Report ]

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. NOW ONTO OUR CLERK OF COURT. GOOD

MORNING MR. KATHY. >> GOOD MORNING A MAJOR FOCUS FOR OUR OFFICE IS ENCOURAGING ST. JOHN'S RESIDENT TO SIGN UP FOR FREE PROPERTY ALERT FRAUD AGAINST SCAMMERS WHO ARE TRYING TO STEAL THEIR HOME VACANT LAND OR PROPERTIES. THIS SERVES AS AN EARLY WARNING SYSTEM AS AN EMAIL EVERY TIME A DOCUMENT IS IN THEIR NAME WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE. I'M EXCITED TO REPORT 14,000 SUBSCRIBERS THINGS TO THE OUTREACH CAMPAIGN WITH THE TAX COLLECTOR PROPERTY APPRAISER SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY LIBRARY SYSTEM THIS EFFORT IS VITAL IN PROTECTING RESIDENTS AGAINST A GROWING WHITE-COLLAR CRIME AND THE SYSTEM WORKS AS A ST. JOHN'S COUNTY RESIDENT EARLIER THIS YEAR BECAME A VICTIM OF PROPERTY FRAUD SCAM. THE RESIDENT WAS TARGETED AFTER TRYING TO SELL HER HOME THROUGH A SOCIAL MEDIA SITE AND SHE RECEIVED AN EMAIL OF A NOTICE OF PURCHASE ON HER TITLE AND WAS ABLE TO RESPOND IN TIME.

THIS WILL NOT BE THE LAST ATTEMPT FROM SCAMMERS IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY AND WE ARE ACTIVELY EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES FOR AWARENESS OR THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE EMAIL OR CELL PHONES AND MORE TO FOLLOW ON THIS INITIATIVE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON PROPERTY FRAUD YOU CAN FIND

[Public Infrastructure Update]

MADAM CHAIR THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COURT? THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND NOW WE WILL HAVE OUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE. GOOD

MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS JAMIE LOCKLEAR PURCHASING DIRECTOR AND INFRASTRUCTURE DELIVERY TEAM. A SHORT QUICK UPDATE THIS MORNING JUST TO SHOW YOU YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE DELIVERY TEAM IS HARD AT WORK EVEN GOING INTO THE HOLIDAYS. JUST ANOTHER REMINDER AND JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT. THIS WAS THE FY 24 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET ROUGHLY $656 MILLION. CURRENT UTILITIES AND CIP PROJECTS ARE MOVING FORWARD. WE'VE GOT ROUGHLY 60 MILLION IN CONTRACTS FOR CONSTRUCTION. 25 CONTRACTS ROUGHLY 3.3 MILLION IN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND ANOTHER 4 MILLION IN DESIGN FOR FUTURE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT WE WILL BE PUTTING OUT.

PUBLIC WORKS THE SAME. THEY HAVE A MUCH LARGER AMOUNT IN CONSTRUCTION AND WE'VE GOT ROUGHLY 150 MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION. EIGHT ALIEN IN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND $14.5 MILLION IN DESIGN FOR PROJECTS THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU IN A LATER DATE. FOR OUR CURRENT PROCUREMENT ACTIVITY JUST IN FY 24 THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN FORMAL PROCUREMENTS. WE HAVE ONE COMMODITY OR GOOD PROJECT SINCE OCTOBER 1 AND WE HAVE AWARDED SIX CIP PROJECTS FIVE FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND 16 FOR GENERAL SERVICES THAT HELP COUNTYWIDE DEPARTMENT.

CONTRACT DOCUMENTS AND TASK ORDERS AND CHANGE ORDERS AND THINGS THAT INITIATED AND AUTHORIZE SMALLER PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WE DONE 60 TASK ORDER 75 CHANGE ORDERS AND 45 AMENDMENT AND THIS IS ALL SINCE OCTOBER 1 OF THIS YEAR.

AND THEN JUST FOR A FUN LITTLE PIECE OF INFORMATION ON TOP OF ALL OF THE CIP THERE'S ALWAYS GOOD SERVICES, SMALL PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT ARE ONGOING FOR ALL COUNTY DEPARTMENTS NOT JUST PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES. ALL DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING A LOT OF WORK ALL THE TIME AND FROM PURCHASING PROSPECTIVELY MANAGE 340 CONTRACTS FOR ALL USER DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR EVERY YEAR. AND THEN THERE IS A SHORT VIDEO THAT TYLER IS

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>> I HAVE ONE QUICK UPDATE FOR THE PUBLIC. CIP IS?

[Legislative Affairs Update ]

>> CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SO MUCH SO EXCITING TO SEE WHAT WE ARE DOING. THAT LEADS US TO THE LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS

UPDATE. >> GOOD MORNING MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS GOOD TO BE WITH YOU THIS MORNING. LEGISLATIVE UPDATE. THERE ARE SOME INTERESTING THINGS HAPPENING IN TALLAHASSEE. WE ARE AT COMMITTEE WEEK NUMBER 5 AND I WOULD SAY THIS IS THE FIRST COMMITTEE WHERE WE HAD A LAPSE BEFORE THE RACE GET STARTED. THIS IS A WEEK WHERE THINGS START MOVING. THIS MORNING THE GOVERNOR HAS ANNOUNCED HIS BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 2024, 2025. WE WILL ALSO SEE PRESENTATIONS THIS AFTERNOON IN THE SENATE GOING IN EACH DEPARTMENT. IN ADDITION MADAM CHAIR ON THE HOUSE SIDE WE ARE GOING TO BE WATCHING SOME MENTAL HEALTH DISCUSSIONS.

HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES, MENTAL HEALTH DELIVERY AND WE THINK WE MIGHT CLEAN SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM THOSE COMMITTEE HEARINGS.

AS TO LOOK FURTHER INTO DETAIL I WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON SOME THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING IN NOVEMBER. SP 702 IS A DEREGULATION OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS BILL. THERE ARE ACTUALLY THREE BILLS BUT I WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE ONE BILL THAT HAS THE FACILITY PLANNING COMPONENT. IN THIS BILL IT HAS REVOLVES AROUND WHAT SENATOR HUDSON DISCUSSED AT THE JOINT SCHOOL DISTRICT AND BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING THIS BILL ADDRESSES EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES PLANNING AND THE EDUCATIONAL PLANT STUDY THAT REMOVES SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND MAKES PERMANENT THE ELIMINATION OF THE COST PER STUDENT STATION AND REMOVES OTHER CERTAIN LIMITATIONS IN CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. THE BILL ALSO EXPANDS INTO SUBMITTED REVENUE TO PAYMENTS FROM EXHILARATING AND ANCILLARY PLANS. IT PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY RELATED TO CONTRACTING, CONSTRUCTION TECH GEEKS, SHELTER REQUIREMENTS WHICH THE SENATOR HAD STATED. IT ALSO ELIMINATES THE SURPLUS SCHOOL PROPERTY DISTRIBUTION REQUIREMENTS UNDER CURRENT LAW THE DISTRIBUTION OF SURPLUS PROPERTY MUST GO TO AN EQUAL OR EQUIVALENT CHARTER SCHOOL AND THIS WILL PROVIDE PUBLIC SCHOOLS A LITTLE MORE DIRECTION TO TAKE SURPLUS EQUIPMENT AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS. FINALLY THE BILL APPLIES FLEXIBILITY IN DISCRETIONARY LEVY THAT ALLOWS SCHOOL BOARDS TO BETTER BE ABLE TO APPLY THIS TO VEHICLES AND OTHER THINGS SUCH AS PROPERTY AND INSURANCE. I WOULD SAY THE BILL OVERALL HAS ALIGNED WITH THE GOAL AND OBJECTIVES THAT THE BOARD HAS MENTIONED OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS. WE NEED TO DO A MORE THOROUGH ANALYSIS TO GET A MORE IN-DEPTH LOOK AT THE BILLS IMPACT AND HOW EXTENSIVE OF AN IMPACT IT WILL HAVE. THAT IS THE GENERAL SUMMARY OF THE BILL. IN ADDITION I WANTED TO MENTION A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS. HB 163 AND SB 08 IS A REGISTRATION PROJECT. THIS BILL HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF THE LEGISLATOR FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF TIMES. THE BOARD ANTICIPATED THIS BILL COMING BACK TO THE LEGISLATOR AND EXPRESSED HIS CONCERN IN THE MOST RECENT ADOPTED LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN. THE BILL IN GENERAL INCREASES MONITORING COSTS AND DISRUPTS CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULES FROM EACH RESTORATION PROJECT. ONE OF THE REASONS IS BECAUSE PROVISIONS RELATED TO CONTACT HERS. NOW THAT THE PROVISION HAS BEEN WATERED DOWN WHERE THE DEPARTMENT AN EXISTING CONTRACTOR THAT IS USED FOR PROJECT CANNOT BE USED TO ASSESS THE ANALYSIS OF THE POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS TO NATURAL HABITAT. THAT LANGUAGE HAS BEEN WATERED DOWN WHICH, IN GENERAL I WOULD SAY WHEN THE LEGISLATURE IS PROVIDING FEEDBACK ON A BILL YOU HAVE TO START PERKING YOUR EARS UP AND MONITORING THE BILL A LITTLE BIT MORE. THAT BILL MIGHT BE MOVING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR OR YEARS PRIOR BUT WE WILL KEEP AN EYE ON IT

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IN JANUARY THE BOARD IS GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SET MEETINGS OF POTENTIALLY WITH THE CFO AND THE LEGISLATURE TO DISCUSS FURTHER. I CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO THESE JANUARY MEETINGS AS WELL. THAT CONCLUDES MY UPDATE FOR DECEMBER. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WOULD BE HAPPY TO

ANSWER. >> THANK YOU. CHRISTIAN

WHITEHURST? >> ARE WE AWARE OF ANY PREEMPTIONS COMING DOWN IN SOME FORM OF LEGISLATION THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT MAC AS WE KNOW SOMETIMES PREEMPTIONS CAN MAKE OUR JOB A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT. IT GIVES US LESS ABILITY TO CONTROL OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

IS THERE ANYTHING WE SHOULD BE KEEPING AN EYE ON?

>> AT THIS TIME I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION OF ANY BILL THE INTO THE LEGISLATURE. HOWEVER, WE WILL DO A DEEP DIVE THIS MONTH TO PREPARE FOR A SESSION TO MAKE SURE WE ARE COVERING

ALL PREEMPTIVE MEASURES. >> THANK YOU.

[Deletions to Consent Agenda]

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA MR. JOSEPH?

>> NO MA'AM. I MYSELF HAVE NONE. ROY ALAIMA?

>> NO. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> NO. >> I GUESS WE WILL GO TO THE

PUBLIC AUDIT. >> WE WILL NOW OPEN IT UP FOR

[Approval of Consent Agenda]

[Additions/Deletions to Regular Agenda]

APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND.

THAT IS APPROVED 5-0. ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. ANY

[Approval of Regular Agenda ]

PUBLIC COMMENTS? >> WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

>> MYMAY I INTERJECT? THERE WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON EVERY ITEM. WE WILL HAVE THE BOARD APPROVED THE REGULAR AGENDA AND THEN MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 1.

[1. Approval of a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between St. Johns County and Twin Creeks Development Associates, LLC, and Award of IFB No: 23-94 CR 210 Widening from Trinity Way to Beachwalk Boulevard.]

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. THAT PASSES 5-0.

OKAY LET'S MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1. GOOD MORNING

MR. CALDWELL. >> GOOD MORNING MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS I'M EXCITED TO BRING YOU GOOD NEWS TODAY ABOUT COUNTY ROAD 210. THIS IS BEEN A PRIORITY PROJECT FOR SOME TIME AND WE ARE ON THE CUSP OF GETTING THIS THING MOVING FORWARD. WE HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS TO TALK ABOUT TODAY THE FIRST ONE IS THE MEMORY ENDING OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE DEVELOPER. WE HAVE COME TO AN AGREEMENT WE HAVE A SIGNED AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE COUNTY WILL SIGN BASED UPON YOUR ACTIONS. THE PRESENTATION WILL GO OVER SOME OF THE BACKGROUND TO FILL YOU IN ON THE COUNTY ROAD TO 10 PROJECTS. WE WILL GO OVER THE MEMORANDUM OF KEY COMPONENTS. THE CONTRACT AWARD TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD AND THE MOTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ITEM. AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF THIS IS COUNTY ROAD 210 BETWEEN BEACH WALK AND SEE WILSON 7/10 OF A MILE OF ROAD IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND THEY HAVE A DESIGN FOR A SIX LANE ROAD SECTION THROUGH THIS AREA. THE BOARD AND PREVIOUS MEETINGS HAS APPROVED THE SIGNAL AS ASIAN OF THE BADGER PARK INTERSECTION AND THAT PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD THROUGH THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION. WE ANTICIPATE THAT NEW SIGNALS SOMEWHERE IN THE SUMMER OF 2024. AHEAD OF THE FULL CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIX LANE. IN AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE THE TRAFFIC FLOW DURING CONSTRUCTION WE HAVE ALSO INCLUDED AS PART OF THE MAIN AND TRAFFIC TO EASTBOUND LANES DURING CONSTRUCTION THAT DON'T CURRENTLY EXIST IN THIS AREA. WE HOPE IT HELPS OUT THE TRAFFIC FLOW IN THE MORNING OVER THE COURSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT AND THAT IS PART OF THE REQUEST THAT WE BRING TO THE CONTRACTOR TODAY. WE DID RECEIVE BIDS ON

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CONSTRUCTION TIMEFRAME IS 18 MONTHS FROM THE START OF THE AWARD. MOVING ON TO UNDERSTANDING THE KEY COMPONENTS. THIS IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE DEVELOPER. DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATES LLC AND WHEN PEAKS LLC. IT IS FOR THE FOUR LANES OF COUNTY ROAD 210 AND WE BELIEVE THIS PROVIDES FRAMEWORK TO PROVIDE THE FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECT. CONSTRUCTION PLANS WERE PREPARED TO GO FROM 2 TO 4 LANES IN 2016 AND WERE APPROVED BY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AT THAT TIME. THE COUNTY HAS DECIDED THAT SIX LANES IS THE APPROPRIATE MEASURE AT THIS TIME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. AS PART OF THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THE DEVELOPER IS ALSO GOING TO PROVIDE ST. JOHNS COUNTY EASEMENTS THAT WILL ASSIST US IN THE PERMITTING OF THE SIX LANE SECTION OF ROADWAY. UPON COMPLETION WHICH WE ARE COMPLETE WITH THE BID PROCESS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD WHICH WE HAD SERVED AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPER HAD PROCESSED WILL EVALUATE THE UNITS ASSOCIATED WITH FORMULATING INTO THE UNIT ASSOCIATED WITH A SIX LANE TO COME UP WITH THE COST SHARE BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES. ALL OF THE SOFT COSTS INCLUDE MOBILIZATIONS MAINTENANCE AND TRAFFIC. WE WILL HAVE A NEGOTIATED BASED ON PERCENTAGES. AND THE COUNTY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING ABOVE THE FOUR-LANE CONSTRUCTION COST. THE DEVELOPER SHARE SHALL BE PAID IN THREE DIFFERENT MANNERS. HE WILL PAY ONE THIRD OF THE COST WITHIN 10 DAYS OF COMMENCEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION AND 270 DAYS AND 540 DAYS A TOTAL OF THREE DRAWS HIS PORTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT IN THIS FOLLOWS THE PAYMENT PAYDOWN PLAN FOR THE PROJECT. MOVING INTO THE CONTRACT AWARD THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT FOLLOWED OUR POLICIES AND PUT OUT AN INVITATION FOR BIDS. WE RECEIVED FOR BIDS WHICH WE WERE EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT BECAUSE THIS IS A COMPLEX PROJECT.

WATSON CIVIL CONSTRUCTION INK IS NOT ONLY A LOCAL FIRM BUT THEY WERE THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE BIDDER AND WE WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO RECOMMENDING $12.5 MILLION PROJECT WITH THEM THAT WILL INCLUDE THE ALTERNATE AND THE ADDITIONAL TO EASTBOUND LANES. WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL $2.1 MILLION FROM OUR TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND TO AWARD THIS PROJECT TO HAVE THE BUDGET SUFFICIENT TO AWARD THE PROJECT. THE MOU WILL PROVIDE THE FRAMEWORK OVER THE COURSE AND THAT WILL GET PUT BACK AND REPLENISHED INTO THE TRUST FUND RESERVES. SO, IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT MOTIONS. THE FIRST MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING.

THE TWIN CREEKS DEVELOPMENT HAS SIGNED THE MOU AS OF TODAY AND UPON APPROVAL WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND EXECUTE THIS PROJECT AND GET IT UNDERWAY FOR THE FUNDING OF THE 210 EXPANSION AS WELL AS MOTION NUMBER 2 IS AUTHORIZING US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WATSON CIVIL AS THE CONTRACTOR FOR THE PROJECT IN THE THIRD MOTION IS TO TRANSFER $2.1 MILLION FROM

TDF RESERVES INTO THE PROJECT. >> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> REALLY QUICK WHEN YOU GET THE LOWEST BID ALL THE BUILDING OF IT DO YOU HAVE A RUN ON AND DOES THAT GO UP A LOT DOESN'T

STAY WITHIN THE BID? >> THE INTENT IS TO STAY WITHIN THE BID. THERE ARE NO PERFECT PLANS. WE DID EXPEDITE THIS PROJECT SO THERE MAY BE SOME CHANGES ALONG THE WAY. WE HOPE TO MINIMIZE THEM AND WE WILL TRY TO GET THAT ON TASK AS

MUCH AS POSSIBLE. >> IS THERE SOMEONE WHO KEEPS

TRACK OF THAT? >> WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION ENGINEER ON SITE ALL THE TIME TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE INHERENT TO THE PLAN AND IF ANYTHING COMES UP UNKNOWN WE CAN ADDRESS

IT IMMEDIATELY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> LET'S HEAR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU

WILL BE GIVEN THREE-MINUTE. >> MY NAME IS JOHN WATSON. MY BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 319 W. TOWNE PLACE MY HOME ADDRESS IS 3180 STATE RD. 13. ALSO IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND I AM THE OWNER, FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF WATSON CONSTRUCTION. I WANTED TO COME UP AND TELL YOU GUYS I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

WE BUILD ROADS AND HIGHWAYS ALL OVER THE STATE. WE ARE A LARGE CONTRACTOR WE DO ABOUT $100 MILLION PER YEAR AND WERE EXCITED TO DO ONE CLOSE TO HOME. WE LOOK FORWARD TO BREAKING GROUND. WE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW SO THANK

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YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1?

>> GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS PATRICK O'CONNOR I LIVE IN THE BEACH WALK COMMUNITY. THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT CERTAINLY AFFECTS MY NEIGHBORS AND ME. I HAVE A SIMPLE QUESTION FOR THE BOARD. THE PRICE OF $12.5 MILLION OR 7/10 OF A MILE OF CONSTRUCTION I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF THAT IS A STANDARD PRICE FOR THAT AMOUNT OF ROAD. THANK YOU.

>> MR. CALDWELL WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND?

>> THERE IS NO STANDARD FOR THE MILE ROAD IT GOES UP AND DOWN BASED ON THE COMPLEXITY OF THE PROJECT. PRICES HAS GONE UP DRASTICALLY OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS AND WE ARE HAPPY TO SEE THIS. WE DID HAVE FOUR BIDDERS THE TWO LOW BIDDERS CAME WITHIN $10,000 OF EACH OTHER SO FOR US IT DEEMS IT'S A QUALITY BID. SO OF COURSE WE WOULD ALWAYS LIKE IT CHEAPER BUT WE FEEL THIS WILL BE A GOOD QUALITY PROJECT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. LEXI BRINGS US BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> THANK YOU CHAIR I WANTED TO ELABORATE ON PUBLIC COMMENT THESE PICES ARE CRAZY. I HAVE HAD STICKER SHOCK DURING EVERY ROAD WIDENING PROJECT WE HAVE SEEN I GET STICKER SHOCK. WE HAD A ROAD ON STATE ROUTE 16 THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED MANY TIMES THAT WAS $5 MILLION PER MILE TO WIDEN THE LIENS BACK IN 2018 WHEN THE FIRST COST ESTIMATES WERE DONE. TODAY THE BID WE ARE GETTING FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS SOMEWHERE AROUND $40 MILLION PER MILE.

SO TO MR. CALDWELL! TO ELABORATE FURTHER DEPENDING ON IF THERE ARE BRIDGES THAT NEED TO BE BUILT AND WATER MANAGEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH PROPERTY THE PRICES ARE HIGH AND I DON'T LIKE IT ANYTIME ANYBODY ELSE DOES THIS IS A LOW BID THAT WE GOT IN THE HOPE IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT BECAUSE WITH THE BEACH WALK WE KNOW ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IS. WE WANT TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD AND THAT'S

ALL I HAVE MET HIM CHAIR. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, COMMISSIONER DEAN HUMA.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. IT IS A LONG MOTION SO BEAR WITH ME. MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 -500.

APPROVING MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA AND TWIN CREEKS DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATES, LLC, AND TWIN CREEKS VENTURES, LL TCB REGARDING RESOLUTION OF A GOOD FAITH DISPUTE CONCERNING THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE WIDENING OF THE GAP ON COUNTY ROAD 210 FROM THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE DIR CV WILSON ROAD AND A FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR SUCH WIDENING AND AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE THE MOU ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY. SHOULD I MAKE THESE IN SEPARATE MOTIONS? THE THREE, I BELIEVE? SO THAT IS THE FIRST ONE. X SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE VOTE. THAT

PASSES 5-0. >> THE SECOND MOTION WILL BE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 -501. AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR DESIGNEE TO AWARD IFB NUMBER 2394 COUNTY RD. 210 WIDENING FROM TRINITY WAY TO BEACH WALK BOULEVARD TO WATSON CIVIL CONSTRUCTION INK AS THE LOWEST RESPONSE OR RESPONSIBLE BIDDER FOR THE BASE BID AND ALTERNATE. THIS IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL. THIS PAGE HAS A HOLE IN IT WHERE THE THING

SETS. >> I THINK IT IS ON SCREEN

NUMBER 2. >> GOOD. I USUALLY DON'T USE SCREENS OR OTHER ELECTRONIC DEVICES. LET ME. I AM GOING TO DO MOTION NUMBER 2 OVER. MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023-501 AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR DESIGNEE TO AWARD IFB THE 23 E- 94 COUNTY ROAD 210 WIDENING FROM TRINITY

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IFB NUMBER 2394. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. IT

PASSES 5-0. >> ALL RIGHT AND THANKFULLY THE THIRD MOTION IS MUCH SHORTER. AND I READ. MOTION TO APPROVE A TRANSFER IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,100,000 FROM TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND RESERVES.

[2. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2023-17 New Twin Creeks Light Industrial Access.]

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU MR. CALDWELL. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2.

>> I TRIED TO HIT MY BUTTON. I WANTED TO TAKE A QUICK MOMENT TO THANK ALL THE STAFF FOR WORKING ON THIS OVER THE YEARS WE'VE ALL WORKED ON THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. THOSE OF US WHO HAVE SERVED ON THE COMMISSION AND ALL THE STAFF.

THERE'S SO MANY I DON'T WANT TO NAME ONE OR TWO BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE 10 OR 12 AND I ALSO WANT TO GIVE RECOGNITION AND THANKS TO JOHN KINSEY WHO HAS ALSO BEEN DOWN THIS LONG ROAD NO PUN INTENDED JOHN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND I AM ACTIVELY HAPPY ABOUT EATING THE STAFF VOTE.

>> I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER

2. EXCUSE ME. MR. MEGAN? >> THIS IS QUASIJUDICIAL SO WE

NEED EXPOSURES. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? COMMISSIONER ROY ALAIMA, I MYSELF HAVE NO RECORD OF ANY

MEETING. WHITEHURST? DEAN? >> GOOD EVENING MADAME CHAIRPERSON. I AM A PROCESSOR LOCATED AT.I AM HERE TO REPRESENT THE OWNERS OF TWIN CREEKS DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATES AND TWIN CREEKS SPD ON THE SPEEDY MODIFICATION. MAJOR MODIFICATION IS 2023 E- 13 AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IDENTIFIED WITH THE YELLOW STAR IS LOCATED WITHIN TWIN CREEKS BEAUTY WHICH IS SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 210 AND THE OVERPASS OF US1. THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROJECT ON THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE PROPER PERMIT. THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED IN FUTURE LAND USE AS MIXED-USE. HERE IS A PROPERTY BOUNDARY WITHIN THE PUD THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 2006. THIS IS THE CURRENT MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PUD AND THE SITE LOCATION IS IDENTIFIED BY THE RED CIRCLE ON THE PUD MAP AND WE ARE PROPOSING THE WHITE OUT ON COUNTY ROAD 210. HERE IS A SITE PLAN EXHIBIT SHOWING THAT PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT ON COUNTY ROAD 210 SHOWING YOU THE RIDE IN AND RIDE OUT YOUR COUNTY ROAD 210. OTHER PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS COMES WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND PUD ORNAMENT. IT DOES NOT REDUCE THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES FOR ONE PARCEL OR PHASE TO ANOTHER. IT DOES NOT REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE WITHIN PUD AND IT DOES NOT INCREASE THE INTENSITY OF ANY USE. IT DOES NOT INCREASE ANY REQUIRED YARDS OR SETBACKS. AND TO INCREASE THE AREA ALLOCATED TO THE LAND USE TYPE AND DOES NOT INCLUDE A TRAFFIC GENERATION OF THE PROPOSED PUD. MADAM CHAIR THE PCA IS APPROVED RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION AND THERE'S NO OPPOSITIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE BOARD.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD? AT THIS TIME WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS. I EXPECT TO THE BOARD FOR ANY DISCUSSION OR POSSIBLE MOTION?

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION

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[3. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2023-06 Race Track Road PUD.]

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WITHOUT FURTHER DISCUSSION LET'S VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM

NUMBER 3. ALSO QUASIJUDICIAL. >> JOHN KINSEY MY BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 1 TOWN CENTER RD. SUITE 600 BOCA RATON FLORIDA.

I AM THE OWNER OF TWIN CREEKS DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATES IN THE MANAGER OF TWIN CREEKS VENTURES AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE STAFF BOTH CURRENT AND PAST WHO HAVE BEEN DOWN THIS LONG ROAD AS COMMISSIONER DEAN SO APTLY OBSERVED AND I APPRECIATE THE COOPERATION IN GETTING THIS RESOLVED. I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THIS FINISHED AND BUILT AS WELL AND I AGAIN WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN LISTENING TO MY SOMETIMES RATHER SHALL WE SAY FRUSTRATED PRESENTATIONS TO YOU? I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE FLOOR

IS YOURS. >> MY NAME IS KATHY WHITTINGTON CRACKED THE MEETING ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 28, 2023 VIA ZOOM WITH MEMBERS AND STAFF. YESTERDAY I VISITED THE SITESITE AND THEY LOOKED WHERE THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL IS IN THE DAYCARE AND THE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

>> I HAD A MEETING ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 20 2023 AT NOON WITH MEMBERS OF STAFF TO DISCUSS THE ITEM.

>> I MYSELF HAD A MEETING NOVEMBER 20 2023 12 PM WITH STAFF I HAVE ALSO DONE SEVERAL SITE VISIT IN A DRIVE-BY THAT AREA OFTEN. WE DISCUSSED THE SCHOOL, THE DAYCARE THE SAFETY OF THE SIDEWALK AND THE STORAGE UNIT DOWN THE STREET.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> I MET 68 MONTHS AGO WITH THE APPLICANT THAT'S NOT IN MIKE WATTS I LIST. WE DISCUSSED A VERY GENERAL OVERVIEW OF WHAT THEY WERE DISCUSSING AND WE DISCUSSED THE ENTITLEMENT ON THE PROPERTY.

WE MET AGAIN THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 2 AT 3 PM CATHERINE WHITTINGTON AND STAFF HERE IN THE OFFICE TO ONCE AGAIN GO OVER SOME OF THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE HEARD THE PROJECT THAT THEY WERE BUILDING IN THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT WERE ON THE PROPERTY. I ALSO RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM A PERSON WHO IS IN OPPOSITION. I ASKED HIM FOR FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS BUT THAT'S

ALL I HAVE. >> THINK YOU COMMISSIONER

DEAN? >> YES ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 20 AT 1:30 I MET WITH BLAIR AND OTHER STAFF AND WE DISCUSSED THE PROPOSED PROJECT A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY. THIS PROPERTY HAS AN INTERESTING HISTORY THAT WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND TIME ON THAT. NEVERTHELESS WE OUTLINED THE PROJECT AND I ASKED SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT AVAILABILITY

AND BUFFERING. >> THINK YOU COMMISSIONER

DEAN. NOW THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> CATHERINE WHITTINGTON, PROPERTY GROUP. WITH ME TODAY IS HUNTER DAWKINS AND FROM KIM LANGHORNE WE HAVE BILL SCHILLING AND BILL MATING THE PROJECT PLANNER. BEFORE I START THE TECHNICAL PRESENTATION HUNTER DAWKINS LIKE TO COME UP AND GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ON HIS COMPANY AND TALK ABOUT THE DEMAND FOR THE STORAGE SERVICE AND THE BENEFIT TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

>> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. HUNTER DAWKINS FOR RIVERS PROPERTY GROUP, THE PRINCIPAL OF FOR RIVERS PROPERTY GROUP AND I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT OUR BUSINESS IS. HE DEVELOPED STORAGE PROPERTIES CLASS A FACILITIES. THOSE ARE THE NEW MULTI-STORY FULLY ENCLOSED BUILDINGS TYPICALLY TO MIMIC OFFICE OR RETAIL AS YOU CAN SEE HERE HERE IS THE RENDERING OF THIS FACILITY. WE LIKE TO HAVE IT BLENDS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. IT IS

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FIRST TO HIGHLIGHT THE INDUSTRY STANDARD AND WHAT THAT IS AS FAR AS SUPPLY IN THE AREA, IT IS TYPICALLY 8 TO 10 FT.? PER PERSON WITH A HIGHER IN GROWTH AREA SUCH AS ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, SUNBELT S AND WHY YOU SEE THAT ACTUALLY IS THAT A LOT OF PLACES NOW WITH NEWER HOMES DON'T HAVE BASEMENTS IN THEM TO PROVIDE THAT TYPE OF STORAGE IN SOME APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. THE OTHER THING TO NOTE IS WHY WE LOOK AT A 3 MILE RADIUS IS HISTORICAL DATA SHOWS US 85 PERCENT OF CUSTOMERS COME WITHIN THAT 3 MILE RADIUS. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WE WENT OUT AND DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND STUDIED IT. YOU WILL SEE WE GO IN AND WE LOOK AT OUR 3 MILE POPULATION, THE AMOUNT OF STORAGE WHICH THERE ARE THREE FACILITIES IN OUR AREA. WE DIVIDE THOSE AND COME OUT TO ABOUT 2.6 FT.? PER PERSON IN THE AREA AND AGAIN THAT'S COMPARED TO A 8 TO 10 FT.? PER PERSON WHICH IS IN EQUILIBRIUM. WITHOUT THE ADDED WE ARE NORTH OF FOR WHICH IS HALF OF WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. LOOK AT A FIVE YEAR METRIC I WILL HIGHLIGHT WHY WE LOOK AT THE FIVE YEAR WE DID BELOW HALF. THE REASON WE LOOK AT FIVE YEARS IS WE DO NOT BUILD THESE AND SELL THEM IMMEDIATELY. WE ARE A LONG-TERM HOLDER. NOT ONLY DO WE LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE IN FIVE YEARS I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THIS IS A CHALLENGING ENVIRONMENT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AND WE NEEDED TO GET STUDIED UP AND GET COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE THE SUPPLY METRICS WERE TO PRESENT TO OUR INVESTORS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION AND WE FEEL THAT THERE IS A NEED IN THE AREA.

ADDITIONALLY SOME OF THE FISCAL BENEFITS CATHERINE AND BILL WILL HIGHLIGHT IN A LITTLE BIT WERE VERY LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT AND YET IT IS PRETTY SIZABLE FROM A TAXABLE VALUATION PERSPECTIVE AND WE THINK THAT IS A HUGE BENEFIT HERE. THIS IS DONE BY A THIRD-PARTY CONSULTANT ANALYSIS AND IT WILL HAVE PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX BENEFITS. THANK

YOU. >> THINK YOU HUNTER. HERE IS IS LOCATED BETWEEN DURBAN CREEK BOULEVARD AND VETERANS PARKWAY NEAR ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY. IT IS ZONED ALREADY PUD AND IS ALMOST ENTIRELY SURROUNDED BY THE JULIAN CREEK PUD AND DRI BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IT'S NOT PART OF THE PLANTATION PUD OR DRI. IT IS ADJACENT TO THE SINGLE OR PARCEL. IT IS A STANDALONE PUD AND HAS ITS OWN USES AND DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THE PLANTATION. HERE IS THE LAND USE MAP SURROUNDING IT WHICH IS ITS OWN LAND USE AND IS ONE OF THE OLDEST MAY BE THIRD OLDEST DRI IN THE COUNTY IN LAND USE DESIGNATION AND SO, CONSEQUENTLY IT STILL HAS THAT.

YOU CAN SEE THIS PUD AND THE ADJACENT PARCEL IS IN RESIDENTIAL BE. THIS IS A TRUE MIXED-USE PUD WITH GENERAL OFFICE RETAIL MEDICAL OFFICE PUD ALLOWS ALL USES UNDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL ZONING CATEGORY AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHICH ALLOWS ALREADY PERSONAL PROPERTY IN MANY WAREHOUSES. IT IS AN ALLOWABLE USE BY RIGHT. AND HERE YOU CAN SEE THE SITE AND IT IS ALREADY CLEARED. IT IS AN INTERIOR INFILL PARCEL IN THE BACK OF THE PUD HEAVILY BUFFERED BY CONSERVATION AREA. A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THIS PARCEL HAS BEEN SITTING VACANT SINCE 2006 WHEN THE PUD WAS APPROVED. THE PUD STARTED OUT AS A MEDICAL OFFICE COMPLEX WHEN IT WAS APPROVED IN 2006 AND THE EMERGENCY CLINIC WAS BUILT. AFTER THAT NO OTHER MEDICAL FACILITIES CAME FORWARD IN FACT THERE WAS NO INTEREST IN MEDICAL OFFICE OR ANY OTHER KIND OF OFFICE OR RETAIL. MOST WANT FRONTAGE IN THIS SIDE DOES NOT HAVE IT. THESE OTHER KINDS

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RESIDENTIALLY APPROVED IN 2006. THE REQUEST WAS TO ADD 115,000 FT.? OF PERSONAL PROPERTY, A MINI WAREHOUSE WHICH I MENTIONED IS ALREADY AN ALLOWABLE USE IN THE PUD. AND REMOVING THE REMAINING 10,440 FT.? OF MEDICAL OFFICE AND 20,000 FT.? OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL. HERE YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE BUFFER COMPLETELY SURROUNDING THIS PUD AND THE SITE WHICH I WILL TALK ABOUT MORE IN A MINUTE. THERE IS AN INFILL PARCEL INTERIOR TO THE PUD COMPLETE LEASE RENDERED BY CONSERVATION AREA. PERSONAL PROPERTY MINI WAREHOUSE USE IS AN EXTREMELY LOW INTENSITY USE. IN FACT THIS WILL GENERATE 1165 LESS DAILY TRIPS THAN THE ALREADY APPROVED MEDICAL RESOURCE OFFICE THAT WE ARE REPLACING. IT'S ALLOWABLE USE BY RIGHT UNDER THE PUD AND UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND APPROVED REZ B LAND USE. IT IS A NEEDED SERVICE IN THE AREA. WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT IS IT IS ALLOWABLE BY RIGHT BUT THE OTHER USES THAT I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU ARE ALREADY APPROVED. NO OTHER APPROVAL IS NEEDED JUST GO IN AND PULL THE CONSTRUCTION PERMIT AND BUILT IT. MORE PROJECT OVERVIEW INCREASE IN THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT. THE HEIGHT IS 35 FEET SAME AS ITS SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THE CREEK PLANTATION IN THIS PUD ALREADY ALLOWS 35 FEET. NO WETLAND IMPACTS PROPOSED. THERE WERE .23 ACRES PREVIOUSLY IMPACTED AND YET REMAINING 8.99 ACRES RESERVED AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE PRESERVED. NO CONSERVATION AREA TREE REMOVAL NOTE OUTSIDE RENTALS ARE ALLOWED NO RV BOAT STORAGE IS ALLOWED. WE DAY BUSINESS HOURS ARE NOT 24/7 THEY ARE RESTRICTED BETWEEN 9 AM AND 6 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND 8 AM TO 8 PM SATURDAY AND SUNDAY AND I SHOULD NOTE THE ACCESS IS RESTRICTED TO HOURS OF PERSONAL BEING PRESENT ON SITE. HERE ARE THE REVISED TOTALS. THE 10,440 DECREASE IN MEDICAL AND OFFICE PEER 20,000 DECREASE IN COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND ADDING 115,000 OF MINI WAREHOUSE USE RESULTS IN AN INCREASE OF 84,005 60 SQUARE FEET OF MINI WAREHOUSE USE. EVEN THOUGH THERE IS AN INCREASE OF 84,000 IT RESULTS IN MUCH MORE GREATER TRIPS IN THE PUD. IT IS SUCH A LOW IMPACT AND LOW TRIP GENERATOR. SO THESE ARE ALLOWED USES UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND PUD AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED SOME MORE OF THE INTENSIVE ONES. RETAIL GOODS STORES FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WITH DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONVENIENCE STORES WITHOUT GAS PUMPS GROCERY STORES, PHARMACIES AT CVS WITHOUT DRIVE THROUGH. THERE IS THE PERSONAL PROPERTY WITH THE MANY WAREHOUSES. RV BOAT STORAGE IS ALLOWABLE.

RESTAURANTS THIS CAN BE APPLEBEE'S. CRACKER BARREL.

GROUP PUBS AND MICROBREWERIES. THESE ARE SOME USES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED AND ALSO I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT AS IT STANDS TODAY THIS PUD ALLOWS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. SO APPLEBEE'S OR ANY OF THE CHILIS OR ANY TYPES OF RESTAURANTS WILL BE ABLE TO SERVE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. WE ARE REMOVING THAT RIGHT FROM THE PUD AND THAT WILL BE GONE. HERE'S THE PROPOSED MAP THE SITE IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW AND SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA AS I MENTIONED 115,000 PERSONAL PROPERTY TO BUILD IN-HOUSE AND INTERIOR AND THE REAR OF THE PUD. SURROUNDED BY

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NOW I WOULD LIKE TO ASK BILL SCHILLING TO COME UP AND TALK

ABOUT TRANSPORTATION ISSUES. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS I AM BILL SCHILLING WITH KINLEY HORN ASSOCIATES. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL THIS MORNING. MY ADDRESS IS.AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. I AM A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE TRAFFIC REVIEW FOR THE PROJECT AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE FIRST WHICH I THINK CERTAINLY WE HAVE HEARD SOME THINGS FROM FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITIES ABOUT CONCERNS OF TRAFFIC. FROM A VERY HIGH LEVEL I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT PERSONAL PROPERTY MINI STORAGE IS A VERY LOW TRAFFIC GENERATOR WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES THAT ARE ALLOWED AND PERMITTED ALREADY WITHIN THIS PUD. WE DID AN EXAMPLE IN FACT WE RAN THE NUMBERS OF WHAT A LIKELY SCENARIO OF WHAT COULD BE BUILT IN THE PUD TODAY WHICH IS THE 10,400 FT.? OF OFFICE. WE ASSUMED ROUGHLY 50 PERCENT MEDICAL 50 PERCENT GENERAL OFFICE AS WELL AS THE 20,000 FT.? OF RETAIL AND COMPARED THAT FROM A TRIP GENERATION STANDPOINT TO THE PERSONAL PROPERTY MINI WAREHOUSE AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED. WHAT IT DEMONSTRATES IS ON A DAILY BASIS WHAT IS APPROVED TODAY WOULD GENERATE ROUGHLY 1332 DAILY TRIPS. THE PERSONAL PROPERTY MINI WAREHOUSE IS EXPECTED TO GENERATE ROUGHLY 67 TRIPS. THAT WORKS OUT TO ROUGHLY 13 PERCENT OF WHAT WOULD BE GENERATED BY WHAT COULD BE BUILT TODAY. ROUGHLY 87 PERCENT REDUCTION. AGAIN I KNOW CATHERINE MENTIONED IT BUT I WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE TO EXPAND ON IT. IT'S THE HOURS.

ORIGINALLY THE INITIAL HOURS FOR THE WEEK DAY WERE NOT PLAN TO START AT 9 AM IN THE MORNING. IT WAS INTENDED TO BE EARLIER. CERTAINLY WE HEARD FEEDBACK FROM THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL FOLKS ABOUT THE DROP OFF TIME IN THE MORNING SO THE APPLICANT MADE THE DECISION TO DELAY THE OPENING MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY OF THE HOURS UNTIL 9 AM. BECAUSE OF THAT WE ARE NOT EXPECTING TO HAVE ANY IMPACTIMPACT WHICH IS YOUR TYPICAL 7:38:30 TIMEFRAME IN THE MORNING. ESSENTIALLY 100 PERCENT REDUCTION ON A.M. PEAK AND THE PMP YOU'RE LOOKING AT 17 TRIPS INSTEAD OF 159. A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION AND I BELIEVE IT'S 11 PERCENT. ROUGHLY 89 PERCENT REDUCTION.

I BELIEVE AND WE BELIEVE THIS IS A VERY GOOD USE FOR THE SITE FROM A TRAFFIC GENERATION STANDPOINT AND LOOKING AT WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE BUILT HERE. THE SECOND ITEM THAT WE HAVE HEARD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT FROM THE COMMUNITY ESSENTIALLY IS CIRCULATION ON SITE AND I THINK SOME CONCERNS POSSIBLY RAISED BY THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL ABOUT HAVING POSSIBLE TRUCKS IN THEIR PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF THE FACILITY. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE LAYOUT TO PROVIDE THE CIRCULATION AREA AND ESSENTIALLY AT THE FRONT OF THE CENTER IS THIS BEING THE MONTESSORI ACADEMY AND PARKING FOR THE MONTESSORI RIGHT HERE THE FRONT ENTRANCE TO THE FACILITY IS RIGHT HERE IN THE STRIPED AREA IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PAVED ASPHALT STRIPED OUT AS A LOADING AND UNLOADING ZONE. SO WE BELIEVE AND BASED ON EXPERIENCE AND CLIENTS EXPERIMENTS FULLY EXPERIENCE AT OTHER FACILITIES THAT THOSE WHO ARE COMING TO LOAD AND UNLOAD ARE LOOKING TO GET AS CLOSE TO THAT FRONT DOOR AS POSSIBLE. IT'S VERY LIKELY THEY WOULD PARK OVER IN THIS AREA AND HAUL THEIR EQUIPMENT AND BOXES

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IN. THIS IS NOT A FACILITY THAT IS TAKING WHOLE HOUSE MOVES LIKE ATLAS VAN LINES, ETC., ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE WOULD BE BRINGING A SEMI TRUCK IN STORING THE WHOLE HOUSE, ETC. AGAIN WE MENTIONED IT'S NOT FOR 18 WHEELERS. THE INSTITUTE FOR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS HAS DONE STUDIES OF MANY WAREHOUSES AND COUNTED TRUCKS. BASED ON THOSE STUDIES THAT ARE NATIONALLY AVAILABLE ITE WOULD PREDICT THEY ARE ROUGHLY GOING TO BE 5 TO 6 TRUCK TRIPS TO THE FACILITY WHICH EQUATES TO ROUGHLY 2 TO 3 TRUCKS PER DAY. THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THOSE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO BE OF A U-HAUL TYPE PANEL TRUCK TYPE OR POSSIBLY SOMEONE PULLING A U-HAUL TRAILER ETC. IT WOULD NOT BE A LARGE VEHICLE. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM I WILL TOUCH ON AND THEN I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO CATHERINE I KNOW THAT MR. PANTANO PROVIDED A LETTER FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IN SCHOOL-AGE CHILDREN WALKING ON THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE FACILITY CROSSING OUR DRIVEWAY. HONESTLY THAT CAUGHT OUR ATTENTION WHEN WE GOT THAT LETTER AND LIKE WISE WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT. WE ACTUALLY DID SOME IN FIELD STUDIES WHERE WE HAD FOLKS GO OUT AND OBSERVE MORNING, PEAK HOUR AND AFTERNOON HOUR. WE ACTUALLY COUNTED STUDENTS AND WHAT WE FOUND IN THE MORNING FROM 7:00 TO 9:00 AND BOTH MORNING AND AFTERNOON THE SCHOOLS WHICH I AM GOING TO GET THEM MIXED UP BUT LET ME MAKE SURE I GET IT RIGHT. FRUIT GROVE MIDDLE AND DURBAN ELEMENTARY. DURBAN CREEK ELEMENTARY. THEY ARE BOTH LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO FRUIT COVE MIDDLE IS GENERALLY OVER IN THIS AREA IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS OVER HERE AND BOTH ON THE SIDE OF RACETRACK ROAD. WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN IN THIS AREA ARE ACTUALLY TRAVELING ON THE SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. WE DID COUNT ON AVERAGE FOR STUDENTS ON THE NORTH SIDE CROSSING OUR DRIVEWAY PER HOUR IN THE MORNING. A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS THAT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF STUDENTS IS ROUGHLY 15 STUDENTS EVERY MINUTE. THE LIMITATION OF THE HOURS FOR US NOT OPENING UNTIL 9:00 WE BELIEVE WE WILL HAVE MINIMAL TO NO CONFLICT WITH THE STUDENTS IN THE MORNING. AND THEN IN THE AFTERNOON WE ALSO COUNTED THE STUDENTS CROSSING THE DRIVEWAY FOR 2 HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON DURING SCHOOL LET OUT HOURS SO TO SPEAK AND THEN RECOUNTED AN AVERAGE OF SIX STUDENTS PER HOUR AND ONE STUDENT EVERY 10 MINUTES WHICH PROVIDES PLENTY OF GAP FOR THERE TO BE TIME TO GET CARS IN AND OUT OF THE FACILITY WITHOUT CONFLICTS WITH THE STUDENT. BASED ON OUR OBSERVATIONS AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WE ARE NOT SEEING ANYTHING THAT WE ARE ALARMED BY HER CONCERNS BY ANY STUDENT WITH CONFLICTS. IT WILL JUST BE A HUGE STUDENT CROSSING VOLUME. I WANTED YOU TO HEAR THAT AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ASK BILLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. NOW I'M TURNING IT BACK OVER TO MISS WILLINGTON.

>> WE HAVE A QUESTION COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON TRAFFIC. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAYOUT, WHEN YOU START GOING INTO THE CIRCLE WHAT IS TO THE RIGHT? IS THAT JUST PARKING? AS YOU ARE DRIVING IN AND YOU START TO TAKE A RIGHT ON THE BLUE LINE, WHAT IS ON

THE RIGHT? >> PARKING RATE THERE. THERE

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THERE'S MORE PARKING RIGHT HERE AND THEN WE'VE GOT PARKING RATE

HERE. >> ARE THERE OTHER DOORS THAT YOU CAN GO INTO OR IS IT JUST THE FRONT DOOR? ARE THERE

DOORS ON THE SIDE OR THE BACK THAT YOU CAN EXIT? >> I BELIEVE IT IS RIGHT HERE BUT WE CAN CONFIRM.

>> THERE WILL BE ONE LOADING AREA AND IT IS ESSENTIALLY A GROCERY STORE DOOR THAT SLIDES IN LIKE THAT AND THEN THERE WILL BE A DOOR TO THE OFFICE BUT THAT'S JUST TO GO IN AND

GET YOUR UNIT. >> IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WILL THERE BE AN EXIT OF ANY KIND?

>> THERE WILL BE AN EMERGENCY EXIT IN THE STAIRWELL BUT NO

ACCESS. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> THERE IS ONE WAIVER REQUESTED AND IS BASICALLY THE REASON WE ARE HERE OTHER THAN CONVERTING THE EXISTING RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL OFFICE INTO THE 115 MINI WAREHOUSE. OTHERWISE WE WOULD NOT BE HERE. THIS IS A REQUEST TO LOCATE FACILITY WITHIN 500 FEET OF RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES.

JUSTIFICATION FOR THE WAIVER IS THE CLOSEST HOME WHICH I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE IS 367 FEET AWAY FROM THE FACILITY. I HAVE SHOWN YOU IS WELL BUFFERED BY DENSE EDUCATION THE TREES AND THE BUFFER AVERAGE 50 TO 60 FEET AND IT IS VERY DENSE. AND THEY WILL NOT BE TOUCHED. THE BUFFER IS UNDER PERPETUAL CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND THIS I BELIEVE IS AN ANTIQUATED REQUIREMENT THAT WAS NEEDED FOR OLDER TYPE FACILITIES AND I SAY IT IS ANTIQUATED BECAUSE I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO PROTECT THE ADJACENT RESIDENCES ON THOSE TYPE OF OLDER FACILITIES THAT HAVE INDIVIDUAL GARAGE DOORS AND THEY WERE BIG AND SPRAWLING AND YOU STILL SEE THEM AROUND TODAY. EVERY UNIT HAS ACCESS. WE CHECKED NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS AND OF ALL, CLAY FLAGLER AND PUTNAM DO NOT HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT. I THINK IT IS THE LEFT OVER.

THIS SHOWS THE BUFFERS. FROM THE PUD PROPERTY LINE IT SHOWS DISTANCES TO THE EAST IT IS 250 FEET FROM THE NORTH 400 FEET TO THE WEST THREE AND FEET INTO THE SOUTH 550 FEET FROM THE PUD PROPERTY LINES. HERE YOU CAN SEE BETTER CLOSE UP AND THAT WAS WITHIN THE CONSERVATION AREA. THESE ARE THE DISTANCES.

EACH ONE IS DESIGNATED. THE FIRST ONE IS 422 FEET, 463, AS WE GO AROUND, 458, 499, 423 AND F IS 202 THAT OHER PARCEL LINE AND 367 FEET FROM THE ACTUAL SINGLE RESIDENCE THAT IS IN THIS PARCEL. AND, HERE ARE RENDERINGS TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE CROSS-SECTION VIEW WILL LOOK LIKE. THIS IS 6 FEET. THIS COULD BE A MAN, A WOMAN OR A PERSON. HERE'S THE FACILITY.

THIS IS PART OF THE PUD IN BETWEEN AND THIS IS THE CONSERVATION AREA. THIS IS WHAT THEY WILL SEE. WHICH IS PRACTICALLY NOTHING AND THOSE ARE THE 50 TO 60 PERCENT MATURE TREES I SPOKE OF THAT WILL REMAIN. HERE IS BE. THIS IS 463 FEET. THIS IS SEE. 450 FEET. AND NOW WE ARE LOOKING THE OPPOSITE WAY. THE HOUSE AND THE PERSON IS ON THE RIGHT LOOKING LEFT AND AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S GOING TO BE LITTLE OR NO VISUAL IMPACT. HERE IS HE, SAME SCENARIO. AND HERE IS F.

THE DOR PARCEL. AFTER HEARING THE CONCERNS OF THE DIRECTOR OF THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL, THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO INSTALL, THIS IS A RENDERING OF WHAT THEY USED BEFORE. THESE ARE LEGAL IN CYPRUS AND THEY GROW TO A HEIGHT OF 20 TO 30 AND IN SOME PLACES UP. VERY TALL VERY DENSE AND THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THE PARKING LOT. THIS IS A SUBJECT SITE AND YOU CAN SEE THE INSIDE YOU OF THAT CONSERVATION AREA AND NONE OF THESE TREES WILL BE REMOVED.

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YOU HAVE TO LOOK HARD. YOU WILL HAVE TO TO SEE IT. SOME OF THE PROJECT JUSTIFICATION SIGNIFICANT TAXES WILL BE GENERATED FROM A LONG, VACANT, INFILL PARCEL THAT WILL BE WASTED. NO WETLANDS IMPACTS OR TREE REMOVAL VERY LOW TRIP GENERATOR AND A SMALL NEED FOR SELF STORAGE IN A 3 MILE RADIUS. LOWER IMPACTS FOR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES. WE DON'T PUT KIDS IN SCHOOLS, LOW FACILITY LOW TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IMPACTS MARK PUBLIC SAFE THE. WEEKDAY BUSINESS HOURS ONLY ACCESS LIMITED TO PERSONNEL ON SITE.

IT IS IN A CLOSE PROXIMITY FOR MANY USERS. IT IS LOCATED ON A MAJOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY THOROUGHFARE. RACETRACK ROAD IS A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED URBAN COLLECT THERE. SOME OF THESE REDUCED ADVERSE IMPACTS TO SURROUNDING RESIDENTS EXTREME BUFFER FROM NOISE AND LIGHT. LITTLE TO NO VISUAL IMPACT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR RACETRACK ROAD. TO THE PUD OCCUPANTS WE ARE REMOVING HIGH INTENSITY USES AND ALCOHOL SALES. WE HAVE A TRAFFIC CIRCULATION PLAN AND TRUCK SIZE LIMITATION AND LIMITED TO PERSONNEL ON SITE. COMPATIBLE ARCHITECTURE. I WILL SHOW YOU THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE. REDUCED IMPACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT PROTECTING WETLANDS IN THE TREES. TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE LOW IMPACT ON PUBLIC SERVICES. TO THE STUDENTS AND PEDESTRIANS LESS VEHICLES IN AND OUT COULD BE THERE TODAY INCLUDING RV BOATS AND TRAILERS THAT CAN BE COMING IN ALL DAY AND GOING OUT ALL NIGHT. TO THE ECONOMY INCREASED TAXES. BUILDS A STRONG NEED FOR SELF STORAGE, AND UNKNOWN ZONE AND INTO USE. THE ARCHITECT HAS COMMITTED TO HIS STYLE AND MATERIALS THAT WILL MATCH THE EXISTING BEAUTY.

MASONRY, STUCCO, ARCHED WINDOWS AND DOORS. IN PLANNING AND ZONING REVISION REVIEW FROM THE STAFF REPORT, THIS MODIFICATION COMPLIES WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ALL REGULATIONS SET FORTH THEREIN. IT IS COMMERCIAL USE BY RIGHT AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION AS WELL AS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. QUESTIONS? WE ARE AVAILABLE IN THE TEAM IS BUT BEFORE I NEED TO RESOLVE A TECHNICAL ISSUE THAT JUST CAME UP THIS MORNING A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF. THIS IS SECTION A OF THE TEST AND SAYS THE PUD WILL CONSIST OF 45,000 FT.? OF MEDICAL AND OR GENERAL OFFICE SPACE WHICH IS ALREADY THERE AND BUILT AN UP 215 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF PERSONAL WAREHOUSE HOWEVER IN SECTION F HE NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED BECAUSE IT SAYS INCLUDING A PRIVATE SCHOOL AND UP TO 115,000 FT.? OF COMMERCIAL USES BUT IT DID NOT SPECIFY PERSONAL PROPERTY OR MINI WAREHOUSE SPACE. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN CONSTRUED TO BE SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL USE OF 115,000 FT.? AND THAT'S NOT WILL WE ARE DOING. IT HAS TO BE PERSONAL PROPERTY AND I WILL LEAVE THESE IN AND SUBMIT A REDLINE.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH. >> CAN YOU CLARIFY THE WAIVERS FOR THIS PLEASE THAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR? IS THERE IS WHERE

FOOTAGE WAIVER? >> 500 FEET.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I HEARD WHAT WAS SAID BUT WE ARE TRYING TO CLARIFY THE TECHNICALITY WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO BELIEVE THAT IT IS AN ENFORCEABLE 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD?

>> SURE. CHRISTINE VALLEY OR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR THE RECORD. THIS IS NEWS TO ME. I WOULD INK IN THIS MOTION IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO CHOOSE THIS WE WOULD REQUIRE CLARIFICATION IN SECTION F OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO

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>> OKAY VERY GOOD. IF I MAY MADAM CHAIR? FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION. ONCE THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS GET APPROVED THE STAFF DOES GO BACK THE PLANNER OR MYSELF GOES BACK TO THE CLERK OF COURT AND REVIEWS THE SUBSEQUENT SUBMITTED PUD OR MODIFICATION CHANGES. NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE YOUR MOTION BUT AS WELL WE DOUBLE CHECK THAT.

>> AND FOR NOW THIS IS IN RECORD?

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> I HAVE A QUESTION EITHER FOR CATHERINE OR CHRISTINE. IN MY ONGOING EFFORTS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW ALL OF THIS OPERATE LDC, MDP AND ALL OF THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 5 OF THE STAFF REPORT IT SAYS THE PROPOSED MVP MAP HAS THE REQUESTED MODIFICATION TO RACETRACK ROAD PUD. MY SIMPLE QUESTION IS WHEN YOU PUT UP A PCA ONE PAGER IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A GENERAL COMPLIANCE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TRIGGERS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY ON THIS ITEM AND THAT WILL CONTRAST WITH CHRISTINE WITH WHAT I CALL BUCKLEY'S RULE WHERE THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER WAS APPROVED.

CATHERINE YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED.

>> OVER THE YEARS, YES. >> MY POINT IS IN 2002 FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE NOT IN THIS COUNTY IN 2002 THERE WAS A PROJECT CALLED WORLD COMMERCE CENTER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF IG BE WHERE THE GOLF COURSE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND BUGGIES I'M GOING TO GUESS WAS BETWEEN 40 AND 50,000 FT.? AND I AM TALKING ABOUT A CONVENIENCE STORE NOT THE GAS STATION. THE GAS STATIONS WERE I THINK 112. AND, TO ME THAT IS A MAJOR CHANGE THAN WHAT WAS PROBABLY ENVISIONED IN THE PUD WITH THE GAS STATIONS. HERE, THIS THING, I AM A LITTLE SURPRISED.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING IT SHOULD NOT BE BEFORE US BUT I'M SUGGESTING I DON'T UNDERSTAND. SO CHRISTINE YOU CAN ADD

ANYTHING. >> I WILL LET KATHERINE EXPLAIN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY ARE ADDING ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE LIMITED TO THE PARTICULAR USE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. WE ARE HERE FOR TWO REASONS.

CHRISTINE JUST SAID WE ARE TAKING OUT THE EXISTING HIRED USE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ADDING THE LOWER USE OF 115. THAT IS ONE AND THE SECOND IS THE WAREHOUSE HAS A SPECIAL USE UNDER THE CODE AND EVEN THOUGH THIS IS AN ALLOWABLE RIGHT THE STAFF WANTED US TO COMPLY WITH THE CRITERIA FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT. ONE OF THOSE IS YOU HAVE TO BE 500 FEET FROM RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY EVEN THE PUD. THAT IS THE WAIVER. WE ARE JUST UNDER 500 FT.?. 500 FEET.

>> UNDERSTAND THE WAIVER BUT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IS IF THE PUD HAS A CERTAIN FOOT RENT IN THE PUD WAS APPROVE THIS ISN'T EXPANDING THAT FOOT RENT. IT IS EXTENDING BILLY EXPANDING THE SQUARE FEET WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> SUNDAY I WILL PROBABLY FIGURE OUT THE DIFFERENT. NEXT YOU MENTION THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER. A LOT OF THESE HAVE, THEY ARE NOT AS SPECIFIC AS THIS. THEY WILL HAVE X AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET MAYBE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS BUT IT'S NOT IDENTIFIED AS A PARTICULAR SQUARE FOOTAGE ON A PARTICULAR SITE. THIS ONE IS AND THAT'S WHY WE MADE THE SECOND CLARIFICATION AND IT MUST BE PERSONAL PROPERTY MINI WAREHOUSE ON THAT SITE.

>> FOR THE RECORD I HAVE ABOUT 300 EMAILS FROM THAT COVERAGE WHEN IT DID NOT COME BEFORE US. IT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING. I APOLOGIZE IF I TOOK TOO LONG BUT THESE ARE THE SORT OF THINGS THAT KEEP ME AWAKE AT NIGHT.

>> YOU NEED TO. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DEAN

. COMMISSIONER ROY ALAIMA? >> DID YOU HAVE ANY CONTACT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHEN YOU RECEIVE THAT CORRESPONDENCE? I CAN SEE INSIDE OF GABBY'S LAW WE'LL

EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT? >> WE DID. WE RECEIVED THAT EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE AND WE RESPONDED TO IT AND WE SAID WE DON'T AGREE. AND WE ASKED IF THAT WAS THE OPINION OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE AUTHOR WHICH IS A RESIDENT WITHIN 300

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IT IS DEFINED AS 4 FEET IN WIDTH AND THIS IN FACT IS 5 FEET IN WIDTH. I KNOW THAT MR. DESOUSA IS HERE AND YOU CAN FOLLOW THEM UP IN JUST ONE SECOND TO GIVE THE OPINION AND HE DID GIVE HIS OPINION AT PCA AND MR. TAYLOR YOUR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY SENT AN EMAIL STATING THAT IN ASKING DID THEY HAVE ANY FOLLOW-UP OR ANY REASON TO DISPUTE WITH THE COUNTY'S POSITION WAS? I DON'T THINK THEY REPLIED.

>> >> TAYLOR FOR THE RECORD I SENT AN EMAIL ON 11-22 AFTER THE LAST MEETING. I ASKED AND I SAID THE STUFF ONCE CLARIFICATION IF THERE IS ANY HAZARDOUS CONDITION THAT THEY WANT TO BE AWARE OF SO WE EVALUATED IT. I SPOKE WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD LAST WEEK. I KNOW THEY RECEIVED THAT EMAIL WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A RESPONSE FROM THE

BOARD. >> THINK YOU MR. TAYLOR.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A VISUAL I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU REGARDING THIS EMAIL AND GABBY'S LAW. WOULD YOU PREFER I DO THAT NOW OR WAIT UNTIL MR. PANTANO MIGHT BE HERE TO SPEAK HIMSELF? DO YOU MIND IF I DO

IT IN REBUTTAL OR NOW? >> WE CAN DO IT IN REBUTTAL THAT IS FINE LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN 3 MINUTES.

>> GOOD MORNING! ED SLAVEN, ALL I WOULD OBJECT TO THE APPLICANT, FIRST OF ALL, THE CHAIR HAS LEFT THE CHAIR. THE APPLICANT HAS THIS EXPECTATION THAT SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SANDBAG THE PUBLIC AND PRESENT THINGS IN REBUTTAL THAT ARE NOT REBUTTAL AT ALL BUT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF HER CASE IN CHIEF. FURTHERMORE I REJECT THE FACT THAT MR. DARCY SCHILLING AND WOODERSON THREE PEOPLE WHO TESTIFIED WERE NOT SWORN. I THOUGHT WE HAD A PRECEDENT AND AGREEMENT IN THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS THAT FROM NOW ON WE ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY SWEAR IN WITNESSES.

DID Y'ALL FORGET THAT THERE CAN WE PAUSE? I SUGGEST YOU TABLE THIS ITEM TO A TIME AND DATE CERTAIN FOR WHEN YOU CAN HEAR FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD AND WHEN THEY CAN GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER. WHEN THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THE WITNESSES SWORN TO THAT'S WHAT WE DO UNDER ANGLO AMERICAN JURISPRUDENCE. WHY WOULD WE NOT SWEAR IN WITNESSES? THERE WAS SUBSIDENCE TESTIMONY GIVEN BY MR. DAWKINS, MR. SCHELLING AND MISS WHITAKER. THEY DID NOT PRESENT ANY EXPERTS, NONE.

NOBODY WAS QUALIFIED AS AN EXPERT. NO ONE WAS PRESENTED AS SUCH AND THEY WENT WAY BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF ADVOCACY WHEN SHE SAID OUR CURRENT CODE IS ANTIQUATED. SO SHE THINKS IT IS ANTIQUATED. I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW NEXT YEAR AND BEFORE WE DO THAT WE SHOULD NOT GRANTING ANY MORE WAIVERS. EVERY MEETING IN THIS BCC WE GRANT WAIVERS TO THE DEVELOPERS AND THERE'S TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. THERE'S TOO MUCH ON SWORN TESTIMONY AND I WOULD SIMPLY REMIND THIS BOARD WHAT THE LATE KATHY BROWN A MEMBER OF THE PCP IN SAINT AUGUSTINE THE LATE GREAT HEAD OF THE COUNCIL ON AGING IN SAINT AUGUSTINE SAID. SHE SAID PUD'S ARE A SNEAKY WAY OF GETTING AROUND ZONING. I HAVE SEEN SOME SNEAKY STUFF DONE IN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS FAR AS WAIVERS AND PUD'S OVER THE YEARS. I MOVED HERE NOVEMBER 5 OF 1999 AND THIS IS ONE OF THE

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WHAT IS THE HURRY? ARE THEY EXPECTING THAT SOMETHING WOULD COME UP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVISIONS NEXT YEAR THAT WOULD SOMEHOW AFFECT THIS PPROJECT AND THEY WANT TO GET I UNDER THE WIRE? PLEASE DENY THE WAIVER. PLEASE DENY THE PUD. PLEASE WAIT TO CONTINUE AND LET THE PUBLIC BE HEARD AND LET'S HEAR FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD AND DEVELOP THE ISSUES THAT THEY WANT AND NOT HAVING HER HERE WITH THE MERIT OF THE

ISSUE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING JOE MCNAMARA.SUPPORT THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE THIS PROJECT. I AM A JEW LINKEDIN CREEK RESIDENT AND I KNOW THIS AREA AND ACTUALLY APPRECIATED THAT SUCH A FACILITY WOULD BE TUCKED AWAY IN ON RACETRACK ROAD. FROM AN APPARENT STANDPOINT AS YOU CAN SEE IT IS HEAVILY BUFFERED ON ALL SIDES JUST A VERY SMALL TECHNICALITY THAT IS CLOSER THAN 500 FEET. BUT YOU COULD NOT ASK FOR BETTER BUFFERS THEN WE GOT HERE. A COUPLE OF POSITIVES IF YOU WILL, FIRST OF ALL THIS IS A CLIENT THAT REPRESENTS THAT THEY HAVE LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY.

THEY HAVE HEARD THE COMMUNITY AND THEY HAVE RESPONDED. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE ADDITIONAL CHANGES IS INCREDIBLE. IT WOULD BE NICE IF EVERY APPLICANT COULD PRESENT THAT.

SECONDLY 48 PERCENT SAR IS AMAZING TO ME. AGAIN AND AGAIN WE ARE APPLICANT'S COMMON FOR 110 150 PERCENT SAR AND AFTER THIS I ASKED WHY? WHY CAN THIS APPLICANT SUCCEED WERE SUPPOSEDLY IT TAKES TWICE THAT FOR ANYONE ELSE TO BE SUCCESSFUL. A LOT OF POSITIVES. A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF POSITIVES ABOUT THIS. AS A RESIDENT WE CAN TELL YOU WE DID FIGHT AND WE HAD AN APPLICATION PULLED FOR A FACILITY THAT WAS GOING IN OVER 10 YEARS AGO AT THE FLORIDA BRANCH RACETRACK.

IT WAS NOT THE RIGHT TIME RIGHT ON RACETRACK ROAD. I WILL SAY THIS WHEN THE APPLICANT SAYS THE NATIONAL AVERAGE WITHIN A 3 MILE RADIUS IS X YOU HAVE ONLY TO DRIVE INTO JEW LINKEDIN CREEK TO KNOW THAT FOR A 5 MILE STRETCH YOU HAVE JULIE CREEK SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY START AT 3 MILE RADIUS BUT WHAT A BEAUTIFUL AREA THAT IS. I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE THAT THE 3 MILE RADIUS SHOULD APPLY HERE BUT NONETHELESS FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT I HAVE OUTLINED HERE I THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT PROJECT. I WOULD RECOMMEND IT TO THE FACILITY.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.

HELLO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN I'M OUT KAPLAN AND I LIVE ON 502 S.

ABERDEEN DRIVE. MY TWO YEAR OLD DAUGHTER GOES TO MONTESSORI SCHOOL AND THIS WEEKEND I WAS SINGLE PARENTING AND I COULD NOT GET HER TO TAKE A NAP. I TRIED HER ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY AND SHE COULD NOT TAKEN OUT. THE ONLY PLACE YOU CAN TAKE A NAP IS AT THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL. SHE IS IN THERE WITH 10 OTHER CHILDREN AND THEIR ROOM FACES DIRECTLY THE AREA THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD THIS THREE-STORY WAREHOUSE ON AND THAT BUILDING ALSO HAS DOZENS OF OTHER CHILDREN AND THEY HAVE TO TAKE NAPS. IT IS A MANDATORY RULE BY STATE SO DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS AND AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION WITH AIR CONDITIONING UNIT RUNNING 24 SEVEN I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A NAP AS THEY ARE THERE ALL DAY. IN ADDITION TO THAT THE LITTLE VOYAGEURS DAY CARE IS RIGHT ACROSS THE PARKING LOT WHERE THE ROUNDABOUT IS GOING TO BE FOR THE STORAGE ROOM UNIT. IT IS A LITTLE STREET.

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YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE

ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? >> HI. I AM TERESA CRUZ DIRECTOR OF THE MONTESSORI ACADEMY 145 DOCTORS DRIVE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO USE THE SPECIAL USE, WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. THEY CAN'T BE CLOSER THAN 500 FEET FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND THE MAP THAT I GOT FROM PLANNING AND ZONING SAID THERE WILL BE 294 FEET, THREE AND FEET, 420 FEET. ACTUALLY THEY WILL NOT BE 500 FEET AWAY FROM ANYTHING. OUR GARDEN MONTESSORI SCHOOL WILL BE WITHIN 300 FEET OF THEM. ALSO THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO INCREASE THE LIMIT OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. THEY WANT TO INCREASE IT 84,000+ SQUARE FEET TO HAVE THE 115 FT.? WAREHOUSE RIGHT ACROSS FROM US. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL IS 12,500 FT.?. WE HAVE 11 CLASSROOMS. WE CAN HAVE OVER 200 STUDENTS AND WE ARE THE BIGGEST SINGLE PROPERTY ON THE WHOLE PUD. THEY WANT TO BUILD A SELF STORAGE WAREHOUSE THAT IS OVER NINE TIMES BIGGER THAN OUR SCHOOL. IT WILL DWARF EVERYTHING AND ALL OF THE BUSINESSES ARE HEALTHCARE AND EDUCATION IN THE PEOPLE WHO COME THERE COME THERE FOR THAT REASON. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT REASONS FOR PEOPLE COMING INTO THE PUD AND IT IS NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE SAFE FOR THE KIDS THAT ARE THERE. AND ALSO THEY KEPT SAYING IN THE LAST MEETING I WAS THERE THAT IT WILL ONLY BE SMALL TRUCKS COMING IN BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST GOING TO STORE HALLOWEEN ITEMS. THAT WAS THE BIG THING THEY SAID. IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN HALLOWEEN ITEMS IT WILL BE BIG TRUCKS HAVING DIFFICULTY COMING IN AND TEARING UP THE ROADS. THEY ALSO SAID THAT DROP-OFF IN PEAK TIMES ARE HIGHEST. DROP-OFF AND PEAK TIMES IS BETWEEN 8:30 IN THE MORNING IN THE TREES THAT THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO PLANT COULD TAKE 15 TO 20 YEARS TO MATURE. IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME. I'VE ALSO GIVEN YOUR CLERK A PETITION OF OVER 100 RESIDENT THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA THAT ARE AGAINST THIS. AND, THEIR TRUCKS CAN, ACCORDING TO THE PUD PARK IN THE PARKING LOT. WHEN THEY ARE COMING IN THEY WILL NOT BE LOOKING FOR OUR CHILDREN. THEY ARE GOING TO BE WORRYING ABOUT CALLING THINGS AND MOVING THEIR STORAGE IN.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. SHERRY BACHER.

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>> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. >> I AM ALSO A RESIDENT OF JULIAN CREEK, SAY ANYTHING. IT IS GREAT THAT THIS IS UP HERE ON THE ATLANTIC STORAGE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT FACILITY IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM DARWIN ELEMENTARY. SINCE THIS CAME UP EVERY DAY I DROVE BY AND I SAID WHAT IS THE TRAFFIC? WHAT IS GOING ON? THERE'S NEVER ANYBODY THERE. THIS MORNING THERE WAS ONE CAR WAITING TO GET INTO THE STORAGE FACILITY. THAT PARKING LOT AT THE ATLANTIC STORAGE FACILITY IS ALWAYS EMPTY. THIS LOCATION IS GOING TO BE BETTER BECAUSE IT'S NOT RIGHT OUT ON THE ROAD IT IS TALK BACK BEHIND THE LAW NO ONE WILL SEE IT IT DOESN'T HAVE MUCH TRAFFIC. THERE'S NO REAL IMPACT. IF ARE GOING TO BE PUSHED BACK IT SHOULD BE AGAINST THE SELF STORAGE THAT IS AND I STORE. THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THIS. IT SHOULD BE

IMPROVED. >> MY NAME IS.AND I LIVE AT.THERE IS A NEED FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST STORAGE WAREHOUSES. IT'S WITHIN 3 MILES OF A SELF STORAGE FACILITY AND WITHIN 5 MILES THERE ARE 10 AND WITHIN 12 MILES THERE'S 16. I DON'T THINK THERE'S SUCH A BIG NEED.

I TRIED TO CALL TO SEE IF THEY HAD AVAILABLE STORAGE WHICH THEY WILL DO BUT ALSO THE IMPACT THAT IT WILL HAVE ON THE COUNTY THEY ARE PRESENTING IT RIGHT NOW WHEN IT IS UNDEVELOPED. ANYTHING DEVELOPED IT WILL HAVE THE SAME IMPACT ON TAXES AS THE WAREHOUSE. HOWEVER, THE LADY BEFORE SAID IT IS A GREAT FACILITY. NEXT TO THE SCHOOL I HAVE MY KID GOING IN THE MONTESSORI AND WE ARE REALLY RECONSIDERING IF WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TAKING HER THERE.

I BELIEVE THAT WILL HAPPEN WITH MOST OF THE PARENTS THERE AFTER TALKING WITH MOST OF THE PARENTS, MY DAUGHTER'S CLASS AND THAT WILL CAUSE A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE COUNTY FROM A SCHOOL PERSPECTIVE. WE ALSO CAME HERE IN ST. JOHN'S FROM DEVOL COUNTY JUST FOR THE SCHOOL. THAT SCHOOL HAS NO PARENTS TAKING THEIR KIDS THERE BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC AND POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING HAPPENING. MANY PEOPLE MAY NOT CONSIDER ST. JOHN'S COUNTY OR THIS AREA FOR THEIR KIDS LIKE WE DID. I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND NOT APPROVING THIS

APPLICATION. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. HER NAME IS.VOLUNTEER PARENTS WITH GARDEN MONTESSORI SCHOOL. AS A VOLUNTEERING PARENTS I SHOULD SAY THAT MANY KIDS WOULD HAVE KIDS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS INCLUDING MY OWN SON WHO IS GOING THROUGH AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDER. WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS, THE REASON WHY WE PICKED THAT SCHOOL IS BECAUSE IT IS QUIET. IT IS QUIET AND THE FACILITY HAS A LOT OF SPACE FOR KIDS. WHICH WE PARENTS APPRECIATED. FIRST OF ALL IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF THE SCHOOL AND KIDS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS DON'T HEAR ANY KIND OF NOISE FROM THE ROADS. FROM THE RACETRACK ROAD. ALSO, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF MONTESSORI GARDEN SCHOOL. BUT AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE THE PROBLEM IS KIDS BEING PICKED UP AT THE SCHOOL AND KIDS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS HAVE A QUIET PLACE. THE FACILITY IN THE

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SCHOOL. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> OKAY WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? MRS. WHITTINGTON, IT IS YOUR TURN.

>> THANK YOU. MS. TATE STOLE MY THUNDER ON THIS SLIDE. YOU CAN SEE THIS IS ATLANTIC STORAGE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM DURBAN CREEK ELEMENTARY. AND, LITERALLY ON RACETRACK ROAD AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THERE'S NO 500 FEET BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND IT, CELESTINO. THERE'S MAYBE 70 FEET. HANDS, AS MS. TATE SAID THERE IS ALMOST NEVER ANY CARS IN THE PARKING LOT. ALSO IT HAS BEEN STATED -TRAN ELITE.PARKWAY THAT HAS NOT BEEN BUILT YET AND THE OTHER TWO THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT IT BEING AVAILABLE BUT THERE'S NO DEMANDS. BOTH OF THOSE UNITS ARE AT OR ABOVE 90 PERCENT CAPACITY. THERE'S ALWAYS A FEW UNITS AVAILABLE BECAUSE THEY TURN OVER MONTH TO MONTH AND THEY WANT IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE CAPACITY FOR OTHER CONTRACTS TO COME IN BUT BOTH OF THEM ARE CONSIDERED AT CAPACITY. THIS IS OCTOBER 2023. THIS IS IN FRONT OF THE ATLANTIC STORAGE BUILDING AT 2 PM. HERE IS ANOTHER ONE AT THE SAME DAY AT 8:30 A.M.. HERE IS AN AERIAL AND YOU CAN SEE PARKING AREAS AROUND IT. HERE IS ANOTHER ONE. YOU CAN SEE TWO CARS AND THIS WAS APRIL 19 OF 2023. THIS IS THE STORAGE SPACE ON ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY.

YOU CAN SEE VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC IN THE PARKING LOT. AND HERE AGAIN APRIL 2023 AND YOU CAN SEE A CAR HERE. IT IS AS WE HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER. IT IS A VERY LOW USE. VERY LOW TRAFFIC GENERATOR. I HAD TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE OTHERS.

THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION PLAN. YOU HAVE HEARD AGAIN AND AGAIN THAT THERE IS A FEAR THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE TRUCKS PARKED IN THE MONTESSORI PARKING LOT. THIS CIRCULATION PLAN HAS BEEN CAREFULLY DESIGNED TO REMOVE VEHICLES TO COME TO VISIT THE FACILITY WELL BEFORE THEY EVEN GET INTO THE PARKING LOT. ALSO I WILL COMMENT THAT ANOTHER USE CAN GO IN THERE. YOU HEAR COMMENTS THAT IT IS GOING TO DISRUPT THE CHILDREN SLEEPING. THIS CAN BE CONSTANT TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT IN THE TRUCKS THE SAME TRUCKS CAN EASILY COME INTO A CRACKER BARREL OR THE SAME TRUCKS CAN COME INTO SERVE THEY BRING MEDICAL SUPPLIES. THEY CAN COME IN TO BRING MEDICAL SUPPLIES. THESE SAME TRUCKS CAN COME INTO WHATEVER FACILITY

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THIS IS THE LOWEST POSSIBLE USE WE COULD COME UP WITH FOR THAT PARCEL. ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE MUCH, MUCH HIGHER AND I USED AN EXAMPLE OF A BOAT AND STORAGE YOU COULD HAVE TRAILERS COME IN ALL DAY LONG TOWING BOATS AND RVS. AND WE HAVE TOLD YOU THE NUMBER OF TRUCK TRIPS COMING IN OUR FIVE INS PER DAY IS MUCH LOWER. ALSO THE IDEA THAT TRUCKS WOULD PARK IN THEIR PARKING LOT, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT. TRUCKS WOULD GO BACK IN THE BUILDING UNLOAD THEIR STUFF AND CARRY IT BACK AROUND TO THE LOADING AT THE FRONT DOOR. IT MAKES VERY LITTLE SENSE. LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE. THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL, THE DIRECT YOUR I DON'T WANT TO SAY COMPLAINS BUT STATES THAT WE ARE CHANGING THE PUD. YES, WE ARE CHANGING THE PUD NOT FOR THE USE BECAUSE THE USE ALREADY ALLOWED BUT WE ARE CHANGING IT TO SWAP OUT THE SQUARE FEET AND GET THE WAIVER. WE DON'T NEED A WAIVER FROM 300 FEET TO THE MONTESSORI BECAUSE THAT COULD BE RIGHT UP AGAINST IT THE WAIVERS TO THE EXTERIOR AND I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL IS SELF CAME HERE FOR MINOR MODIFICATION IN 2018 TO GET THE SCHOOL ALLOWED TO GET THE PRESCHOOL ALLOWED. ALSO, THE TREE WAS A COMMENT IT DID NOT TAKE 15 YEARS TO GET THERE. THEY GROW 15 TO 22 BEYOND FEET THEY ARE VERY FAST-GROWING. IT TAKES 4 TO 6 YEARS TO GET THERE. AS MENTIONED A PRETENSION WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, THEY WILL TELL YOU A NUMBER OF SIGNATURES ON THE PETITION ALSO A TESTIMONY OF GENERAL OPINION NOT SUPPORTED BY THE ACTUAL TESTIMONY OR EXPERTISE IS NOT COMPETENT OR SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. MR. SLAVEN STATED THAT I WASN'T SWORN IN. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY I DON'T HAVE TO BE SWORN IN. WE DID HAVE EXPERT TESTIMONY. MR. DAWKINS PROCEDURAL FAUX PAS IN MY DISCUSSION OF MR. PANTANO'S EMAIL WAS IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION FROM THE DAIS. LET'S SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE. AND A COUPLE OF CALLS TO TABLE THIS AND TELL THE SCHOOL CAN BE HERE. WE REACHED OUT, YOU REACHED OUT. I THINK YOU SENT AN EMAIL? THEY REACHED OUT.

WE HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO NOT BE HERE AND ALSO TO RESPOND TO THE EMAILS AND IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. ONE OTHER THING IF YOU WOULD LIKE AT YOUR PLEASURE I DID WANT TO POINT OUT MR. PANTANO'S EMAIL TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND BY THE WAY THERE WAS ONE VOTE NO FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE AT PCA. HERE YOU CAN SEE FRUIT COVE ELEMENTARY IS TO YOUR LEFT. WE ARE IN THE CENTER AND DURBAN CREEK IS TO THE RIGHT.

THIS ALSO OCCURRED IN 2015 AND THAT IS ATLANTIC STORAGE ON RACETRACK ROAD. THAT WAS NOT AN ALLOWABLE USE IN THE PUD OR DIR. THEY HAD A MODIFIED APPROVAL TO GET THAT USE IN AND WE ALREADY HAVE IT AS JESUS AND WE ARE NOT ON RACETRACK ROAD.

AND WE LOOKED AT THE RECORD WE WATCHED ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE AND HEARINGS THERE WAS NO COMMENT THAT THIS WAS A HAZARDOUS WALKING CONDITION FROM SCHOOL DISTRICTS. NO WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE. IF THAT IS A HAZARDOUS WALKING CONDITION, HOW CAN WE BE 500 FEET BACK AND WE ALREADY HAVE IT AS A USE? SAME WITH NIECE. THERE'S ONE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM NIECE. IF THAT IS NOT A HAZARDOUS WALKING CONDITION WHY ARE WE A HAZARDOUS WALKING CONDITION? I THINK THAT IS ALL WE HAVE. BILL, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ASK COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> WHAT IS YOUR LARGEST STORAGE ROOM.[BLEEP] DEE WHAT

IS THE LARGEST SIZE? >> SOME ARE 10 X 10 SOME ARE 10 X 20 AND 10 X 20 IS THE LARGEST.

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>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE OF THE PARKING LOT? IT'S BY THE U-HAUL. IT'S ONE BEFORE THAT.

>> THIS ONE RIGHT THERE THAT IS A VIEW FROM RACETRACK ROAD.

>> JUST FROM THAT VIEW I WENT TO VISIT THIS PROPERTY AND I WAS ALL FOR IT I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT AND THEN I WENT THERE AND DO YOU SEE HOW THAT ONE GUY IS PARKED IN THE PARKING LOT IT'S HARD TO CONTROL TRAFFIC AND IT IS VERY NARROW. IT'S A LOT SMALLER LOT THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS AND AM A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT IT WILL BE HARD TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS.

>> THAT IS WHY WE DID THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION PLAN.

>> ONE WAY IN, TURN TO THE RIGHT AROUND THE LOOP TO THE LOADING AREA AND BACK OUT. WE COULD PUT SIGNS COMING IN FROM THE RIGHT THAT SAY ENTRANCE AND SIGNS GOING OUT TO SAY EXIT IF

THAT WOULD HELP. >> IS THAT ALL COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I REALLY HAVE A QUESTION IF YOU

WOULD NOT MIND. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONER.

>> THIS USE IS CLAIMING TO REDUCE THE DAILY TRIPS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ENTITLED BY THE DAILY TRIPS. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ENTITLED WE HAVE RETAIL AND OFFICE SPACE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. THEY CAN FILL IT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE BOARD. GENERALLY SPEAKING WHY DOES IT

PRODUCE MORE TRAFFIC? >> DID DESOUSA PROGRESSIVE YOUTH MANAGEMENT. THESE ARE ENTITLED. THE OFFICE IN THE MEDICAL USE. THOSE ARE TYPICALLY, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TRIPS COMING IN AND IF IT'S RETAIL YOU WILL HAVE PEOPLE SHOPPING AND COMING ON AND OFF PEAK HOURS. WE HAVE MANY STUDIES THAT ARE CAPTURED THROUGH THE ITE UTILIZED FOR OUR TRAFFIC VOLUMES. SO WITH THOSE STUDIES SOMEONE GOES OUT THERE AND LOOKS OVER THEY ARE EXITING HERE'S THE NUMBER OF TRIPS GENERATED YOU'RE LOOKING AT RETAIL AND A LARGE SPECTRUM OF STORES AVAILABLE AND YOU CAN LOOK AT YOUR NORMAL FAMILY DOCTORS OR MAKE SOME SORT OF SPECIALTY DOCTOR AS WELL SO YOU'RE NOT PRODUCING TRIPS THROUGHOUT THE DAY. WE ALL GO TO THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE AND THEY ARE NORMALLY BUSY AND BACKED UP SO YOU HAVE ALL THOSE TRUCKS COMING IN FROM THE STORAGE FACILITIES. IT'S A BIG OPEN FACILITY AND YOU CAN GET WHATEVER YOU ARE STORING OR DROPPING OFF. YOU WILL SEE A HIGHER USAGE OVER THE WEEKEND AND ALSO BE CAPTURED WITH PEAK HOURS. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE HITTING THESE TRIPS FOUR. YOUR DAILY COMINGS AND GOINGS ARE AT THOSE PEAK HOURS. TO SAY SWORDS WILL GENERATE THOSE TRIPS DURING HOURS OF CONCERN THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IT COMES TO THE TRAFFIC DEMAND ON THE

ROAD NETWORK. >> YOU'VE GOT DATA TO SUPPORT THIS? ANYTIME WE SEE THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE LITTLE TRIPS COUNT. THERE IS DATA TO SUPPORT THESE LOW TRIP COUNTS.

>> THERE'S DATA TO SUPPORT THOSE LOW TRIP COUNTS. IT ALSO HAS A HIGHER GENERATION ON THE PREVIOUS. WE HAVE IT AS A REDUCTION OF 1250 DAILY TRIPS COMPARED TO WHAT THE ZONE IS WE HAVE THE HIGHER GENERATION CALCULATED. WE ARE SEEING A

MUCH LARGER REDUCTION. >> YOUR CALCULATIONS HAS THIS REDUCING TRIPS BY 1200 MORE TRIPS THAN WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED? THE CAPACITY ON RACETRACK ROAD SPECIFICALLY YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE CAPACITY FOR THE ENTITLED TRIPS DO THEY COUNT TOWARDS THE CAPACITY YOU MET.

>> THE BOARD HAS PREVIOUSLY EXCLUDED NONRESIDENTIAL CALCULATIONS AND IT IS BECAUSE IT IS VERY NUANCED ESPECIALLY WITH THE STORAGE FACILITY LOOKING AT THE 3 MILE RADIUS YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE BYPASS TRIPS. YOU ARE LOOKING AT PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY ON THE ROAD ANYWAY. IT IS A NUANCE AND YOU CANNOT QUANTIFY IT. THE CODE MAKES US LOOK AT THAT CAPACITY THAT THE BOARD HAS EXCLUDED FROM THOSE CALCULATIONS PREVIOUSLY. A LITTLE NUANCE MIGHT ADD SOME TRIPS HERE AND THERE BUT BY AND LARGE YOU'RE GOING TO BYPASS TRIPS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. SO THAT DOES EXIST.

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>> DQ MR. DESOUSA I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> BEFORE YOU DO I WANTED TO ASK.

>> I WANTED TO ASK MISS WHITTINGTON TO LEAVE THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN PAGE ON THE OVERHEAD, PLEASE.

>> WE ALSO FOUND OUT THIS MORNING. WE HAVE HANDS MARK.

WE WILL PRESENT IT. >> COMMISSIONER ROY ALAIMA?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR LEGAL DEPARTMENT. DID WE RECEIVE A NUMBER OF PETITIONS? I DID NOT SEE THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT. I ONLY SAW THE TWO CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE SCHOOL AND DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

>> IT WAS HANDED TO THE CLERK RIGHT BEFORE THE HEARING AND SO

THERE AREN'T COPIES AVAILABLE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? DO WE HAVE A

MOTION? >> YES MA'AM. BEFORE I MAKE MY MOTION I WANTED TO SAY THIS. AND I HEARD THIS USE WS COMING FORWARD IT WAS IN A PUD AND I AM A RESIDENT IN THOSE AERIAL FOOTAGES AND THOSE PICTURES I SHOULD SAY I CAN SEE MY HOUSE.

I WON'T SAY WHERE SO MY ADORING FANS WILL COME VISIT BUT I CAN SEE MY HOUSE. THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I DRIVE BY THE FACILITY AND I COME TO WORK AND I COME BACK HOME. MY KIDS ARE GOING TO LOVE TO DRIVE ON THE ROAD. SPECIFICALLY RACETRACK ROAD. IF I THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD MAKE IT LESS SAFE FOR MY CHILDREN OR YOUR CHILDREN I WOULD NOT MOVE TO SUPPORT IT.

IT'S PRECISELY THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL THAT HAVE ME IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME AND GO HERE WOULD RATHER HAVE IT BE SOMETHING THAT REDUCES 100 DAILY TRIPS EVEN THOUGH IT'S 10 TONS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THEY ARE PRODUCING 11 TIMES LESS TRAFFIC. SO, NO WETLANDS IMPACT, NOT REMOVING A SINGLE TREE IN THE BUFFER. I THINK WE MADE A GREAT POINT ABOUT THE FLOOR AREA RATIO THAT WE NORMALLY SEE IN THE STORAGE FACILITIES. THE INTENSITY IS SO LOW IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS ARE SO MINIMAL THAT THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE LIMITED THE HOURS HURTS THEIR BUSINESS MODEL BUT REALLY DOES A BENEFIT TO THE RESIDENCE LIKE MYSELF. WITH THAT I WILL MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2023- BEFORE APPROVING MAJOR MODIFICATION 202306 RACETRACK RD. PUD BASED ON SIX FINDINGS AND FACTS AND CONDITIONS THAT THE ONLY THING THAT IS ALLOWED IS THE 115,000 FT.? OF ADDITIONAL PROPERTY AND MINI WAREHOUSE SPACE. AND THAT

[4. Public Hearing * NZVAR 2023-16 - Bennett Road Easement.]

IS MY MOTION. >> GOT IT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE. THAT PASSES 4-1. THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4. I BELIEVE THIS IS QUASIJUDICIAL. COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH? >> NO MEETINGS.

>> NO MEETINGS. >> I HAVE NONE. COMMISSIONER PWHITEHURST? COMMISSIONER DEAN

>> NONE. >> WELCOME.

>> MY NAME IS AMANDA ARNETT EDWARDS AND I AM PRESENTING FOR LINDA HARTLEY. SHE IS IN THE AUDIENCE AND I'M SURE IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS SHE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. WE ARE COMING TODAY SEEKING AN EXISTING EASEMENT OF BENNETT ROAD WHILE ADDING ONE MORE ADDITIONAL HOME TO HER PROPERTY. THIS IS A LOCATION MAP. THIS IS WHERE HER PROPERTY IS LOCATED OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 208. THIS IS COUNTY ROAD 13 A. THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP COUNTY ROAD 208 THIS SHOWS THE CURRENT EASEMENT ON BENNETT ROAD AND IT'S EXISTING CONDITION. THIS IS A SURVEY MAP OF LINDA HARTLEY'S PROPERTY WHICH IS 1895 AND IT ROAD. THIS IS HER HOME THAT SHE LIVES THAT THESE ARE FAMILY MEMBERS HERE. THIS IS THE EXISTING EASEMENT OF BENNETT ROAD. THIS IS THE NEW PROPOSED EASEMENT WHICH WOULD MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCESS, EASEMENTS AND WILL BE VERIFIED AT THE CLEARANCE SHEET REVIEW WITH THE STAFF. THIS IS THE 4.73 ACRE PARCEL THE SUBJECT

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>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

>> ALL RIGHT, WE WILL NOW AT THIS TIME OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4. ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY IT IS BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION I THINK WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> MADAM CHAIR? CAN I TALK TO THE LAND OWNER FOR JUST A

MOMENT? >> BY ALL MEANS.

>> MA'AM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. WE WILL WAIT FOR COMMISSIONER DEAN TO COME BACK. GOOD MORNING. YOU ARE BUILDING ANOTHER HOME ON THIS PROPERTY? WHO IS IT FOR?

>> WELL, HOPEFULLY MY DAUGHTER WILL BE BUILDING A PLACE HERE.

I AM TRYING TO GET HER UP HERE. I AM A WIDOW AND I AM HOPING THAT SHE WILL LIVE CLOSE TO ME AND TAKE CARE OF ME FOR THE NEXT 70 YEARS. I KNOW SHE WANTS HER OWN PLACE SO I THOUGHT I WOULD MAKE IT REAL NICE FOR HER SO SHE CAN BUILD A HOUSE AND I CAN STAY AT MY HOUSE HOPEFULLY FOR THE REST OF MY DAYS. SO THAT IS INTENSE IN GETTING THIS PROPERTY APPROVED.

I HAVE 12 A HALF ACRES AND SHE CAN KEEP UP WITH FIVE OF THEM AND GOD KNOWS I WILL TRY TO KEEP UP WITH THE RANCH.

>> IDEALLY IT WOULD BE FAMILY. IT IS ALL OF HER FAMILY AROUND HERE AND THEY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 40 YEARS.

>> 44 YEARS NEXT MONTH. >> THAT IS THE HOPE?

>> I THINK IT IS A WONDERFUL USE OF THE LAND. THANK YOU FOR

SHARING THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> AS A DAUGHTER WHO MOVED HER WIDOWED MOTHER DOWN HERE SO SHE CAN BE CLOSER TO ME I CAN COMPLETELY RELATE. I AM HAPPY TO GIVE A MOTION TO APPROVE NZVAR 20222023-16. LET'S VOTE.

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TO MY LEFT. MISSION OR DEAN? >> I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION

ON THIS PROJECT. >> I DID A SITE VISIT OF THIS ROAD A YEAR OR SO AGO WITH THE APPLICANT AND SOMEBODY FROM OUR STAFF TOK A LOOK AT THE ROAD AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE REASON

FOR THE REQUEST. >> I HAVE NO MEETING.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> NO MEETING I TRIED TO FIND YESTERDAY BUT I COULD NOT FIND IT.

>> ALL RIGHT. MR. BURNETT THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

>> WHAT A WONDERFUL WAY TO START THE DAY HONORING FORMER COMMISSIONER WHAT A GREAT HUMAN BEING. ANY OF US WHO GOT TO KNOW US WELL YOUR LIFE IS ENRICHED BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOU KNEW HIM. WITH THAT I WILL DO A LITTLE SEGUE OF WHAT I WOULD NORMALLY DO IN MAKING THE PRESENTATION WHICH IS TO CITE PSALMS 122 VERSE 6 PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM AND IT GOES ON TO SAY FOR MY BROTHER'S SAKE I WILL SAY PEACE BE WITH YOU. HOW OFTEN SO MANY OF US HAVE HEARD THOSE WORDS AND IN HEBREW AND IT BEGINS ON THURSDAY AND IT'S ONLY FITTING TO RAISE THAT ISSUE IN THIS FORUM. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY

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YOU CAN SEE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER DEAN'S DISTRICT YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP LEFT YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT LOT IN THIS AREA. AGAIN, ANOTHER VIEW AND TO ORIENT A LITTLE CLOSER WHERE YOU CAN SEE A PATHWAY TO THIS DIRECTION WITH US1. THIS IS BIG OAK ROAD A DIRECT ACCESS TO US1 AND UP PINE DRIVE TO THE NORTH. BIG OAK DROVE TO THE WEST GOES OUT TO SALTWATER SHOOTING RANGE. A VERY POPULAR SHOOTING RANGE IN OUR COUNTY AND IT WAS A RACE TRACK AT ONE TIME. THE VARIANCE WE ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE RELATED TO A NONPAI STABLE STABILIZED TO ACCESS THIS COMMERCIAL PROJECT AND WE LISTED HERE THE VARIANCE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN YOUR PACKET. WE HAVE MET THE PARTICULAR REQUIREMENTS FOR VARIANCE PRACTICAL VARIANCE EASE. WHY CHANGE THE NATURE OF THIS COUNTY? MY CLIENTS ARE NOT SEEKING TO TRY TO OPEN SOME SHOWROOM OR COMMERCIAL RETAIL LOCATION. THIS IS FOR A WAREHOUSE FOR THEIR CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE A BASE OF OPERATIONS. ZONING AND FUTURE LAND USES ARE CONSISTENT WITH ALL OTHER USES THAT WILL BE ALLOWED IN THAT AREA. YOU CAN SEE AS A ROADWAY PERSPECTIVE OF ALL THESE ROADWAYS WHERE YOU CAN SEE IN BLUE ARE ACTUALLY PUBLICLY OWNED BY THE ST. JOHN COUNTY AIRPORT AUTHORITY. THE CONNECTION OF BIG OAK ROAD IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY WEST GOING BIG OAK ROAD TO THE GUN RANGE. THIS IS ALSO SIMILAR OWNERSHIP OF WHAT IS TO PICK IT HERE. I WANT TO FOCUS YOU ON THIS CONNECTION POINT. YOU CAN SEE WHERE BIG OAK ROAD COMES TO PINE DRIVE GIVEN NUMBER OF INDUSTRIAL TYPE OPERATIONS ALREADY TO THE SOUTH YOU CAN SEE TRIM CODE IS THERE AND THEY ACTUALLY EXPANDED IT. THEY HAVE A BUILDING THERE TODAY AND THAT IS LOOKING TO THE SOUTH AND THEN LOOKING TO THE NORTH IS TH ACCESS GOING ON PINE ROAD TO THE NORTH. WHEN CORDOVA PALMS BEGAN ITS PROCESS HEY ACTUALLY PUT A FENC THERE. NOT KNOWING IT IS ACTUALLY PUBLIC ACCESS TO THOSE INDIVIDUAL LOT OWNERS GOING UP. IT HAS PROVEN TO BE A GOOD THING IN SOME WAYS SO YOU DON'T HAVE ILLEGAL DUMPING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS GOING ON. SOME MUSCLE ACTIVITY HAVING REGULAR VEHICLES MONITORING WHAT'S GOING ON MAY HELP TO ELIMINATE THE PROBLEMS GOING ON IN THAT WHOLE INDUSTRIAL AREA IN GENERAL. AND WITH THAT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE BUT GENERALLY THAT'S THE OVERVIEW.

THANK YOU MR. BURNETT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> MR. BURNETT CAN YOU EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON THE ISSUE. AS I UNDERSTAND THIS ITEM THE STAFF'S POSITION IS THAT THEY ARE RELUCTANT TO APPROVE AN EXTENSION OR A PROJECT THAT HAS A DIRT ROAD AS OPPOSED TO AN IMPROVED ROAD. A PAVED ROAD. MY THOUGHT WAS THIS IS POSSIBLY IN ANTICIPATION OF A LOT OF COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC WITH A LOT OF CUSTOMERS AND CLIENTS. SORT OF LIKE OUR LAST ITEM, THE STORAGE FACILITY. WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT ONE CAR PER WEEK PER DAY.

CAN YOU EXPAND ON WHAT THIS PROJECT IS THAT WE PUT BEFORE US AND SUGGEST THE REQUIREMENT FOR PAVING?

>> YES. MY CLIENT, POSEIDON BUILDERS ARE A GENERAL CONTRACT THERE. THEY DO RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROJECTS. THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS ARE TYPICALLY SMALL HOMES, HOME LOT

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LOVE IT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE

BOARD? >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME OR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> BE JAKE LADY SAINT AUGUSTINE. GOOD MORNING. THIS IS VERY INTERESTING. FIRST OF ALL, WHENEVER THESE AGENDAS ARE PUT TOGETHER USUALLY AS IT A PRESENTER IS LISTED. ON THIS ONE I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT YOUR BACKUP STUFF BUT TO PRESENTED IS RV PRESTWOOD JUNIOR AND THEN LORI GOT UP TO SPEAK SO I'M HOPING HE HAS PERMISSION TO GET UP AND SPEAK.

THAT HAS BEEN PART OF THE BACKUP MATERIAL AND I WANTED TO SAY, TOO, I'M GLAD THAT LORI GOT UP HERE AND TOLD WHO THE STUDENTS WERE THAT CAME IN, WHAT SCHOOL THEY WERE FROM.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, I REALLY THOUGHT WE HAD SOME IN GOING ON HERE. I'M SURE THAT YOU ALL DID NOT THINK THIS BUT I THOUGHT THIS AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL IF IT WAS SOME MONTESSORI STUDENTS COMING IN HERE TO TELL US DON'T DO THIS TO US. IT IS A DANGER. A DANGER. BUT THEY COULD NOT GET HERE. THEY WERE PROBABLY TAKING A NAP BEFORE EVERYTHING GETS BUILT UP AND THEY CAN'T TAKE THEIR NAP ANYMORE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOOD INFORMATION AND MAY BE SOMEBODY STREAMING THIS DID NOT SEE THE PEOPLE COMING IN. AND THAT IS WHAT WE NEED. STUDENTS. I'M REALLY GRATEFUL WHENEVER I SEE PARENTS AND PEOPLE LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY COME IN AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE I GUESS WITH THE COMP PLAN THAT COMES IN IT IS US AGAINST THEM. IT IS A SHAME THAT WE ALL CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THIS COUNTY. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5? SEEING NONE WE WILL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD ON NUMBER 5 ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? PERHAPS A MOTION?

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> I AM HAVING TROUBLE TODAY WITH MY TECHNOLOGIES TO NUMBER 5 LET'S GO. MOTION TO APPROVE NZVAR 2022-15-5697 BIG PINE DRIVE REQUEST TO ALLOW RELIEF FROM SECTION SIX .04.07POINT 1.2 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ACCESS A NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BASED ON SIX FINDINGS AND FACTS AND THREE CONDITIONS PROVIDED IN THE

STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WITHOUT FURTHER

DISCUSSION LET'S VOTE. >> SORRY I HIT THE BUTTON. I

HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH YOU ARE

RECOGNIZED. >> I WANTED TO SAY I'M NOT

[6. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2023-15 Villages of St. Augustine.]

>> BACK TO VOTING. LET'S VOTE. THAT PASSES 4-1. OKAY WE ARE ON TO NUMBER SIX. ITEM NUMBER 6. ALSO QUASIJUDICIAL.

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> THANK YOU MANAGER AT A MEETING AUGUST 10 AT APPROXIMATELY 2 PM WITH STAFF HERE IN THE OFFICE. WE DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF THIS

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DID TO ADDRESS. >> I HAD A MEETING AUGUST 10, 2023 AT 10 AM WITH STAFF PAID WE DISCUSSED WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO AT THE PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL WITH A NEED FOR THIS SOME CONCERNS IN THE AREA ABOUT FENCING AND SECURITY.

COMMISSIONER ROY ALAIMA? >> IDA MEETING ON THURSDAY AT NOON WITH STAFF HERE AT THE OFFICE AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO DO AND SOME COMMUNITY CONCERNS.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> MEETING ON THE 10TH AT 11 AM WITH STAFF AND I DID VISIT THIS YESTERDAY AND DROVE AROUND AND NOTICED THE FENCING AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. GOOD MORNING. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM BRENNA DURDEN, BEHALF OF BIRNBAN. I DID HAVE A MEETING THAT DAY.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THAT. SO THERE YOU GO. > THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DEAN. IF SOMEONE COULD JUST REMIND ME, THANK YOU. I DO HAVE DUANE LONG HERE WITH ME TODAY. HE IS A PRINCIPAL WITH THE COMPANY BURN BAN CARE AND MR. LONG OPERATE ABOUT SEVEN DIFFERENT OF THESE SPECIALTIES, PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITALS IN THE MIDWEST. THIS WILL BE HIS FIRST ONE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY AND FOR TAKING THE STEP BEFORE YOUR 11:30 PUBLIC COMMENT. THE VILLAGES OF SAINT AUGUSTINE PUD WAS INITIALLY ADOPTED IN 2007 TO ALLOW A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, A BANK AND RETAIL COMMERCIAL USES. THE MULTI FAMILY WAS NEVER CONSTRUCTED AND IN 2012 A MODIFICATION WAS APPROVED FOR A 130 BED ASSISTED-LIVING FACILITY. THE SAME BANK AND RETAIL COMMERCIAL USES WERE NEVER ALTERED. THE LOCATION IS ON HIGHWAY 16 ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HIGHWAY 16 JUST TO THE EAST AND I THINK IT IS WOODLAWN. WOODLAWN. THIS IS A PORTION OF THE PUD THE TOTAL IS ABOUT 12.5 ACRES. THIS PORTION IS 8.9 ACRES. I WILL SHOW YOU THE NEXT SLIDE. THE BANK AND COMMERCIAL USES ARE AUTHORIZED ON PARCELS THAT FRONT ON HIGHWAY 16. AND SO THAT IS WHY YOU CAN SEE IT IS SET BACK ON HIGHWAY 16 IN THIS LOCATION MAP. SPECIFICALLY THE CURRENT REQUEST IS TO CONVERT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE OF THE EXISTING 130 BED ALF ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PUD TO ALLOW FOR A CLASS III GERIATRIC ACUTE-CARE PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL FOR SENIORS ONLY 55 YEARS AND OLDER. THIS HOSPITAL WILL HAVE 70 BEDS AS OPPOSED TO THE 130.

AS I MENTIONED THE BANK AND RETAIL USES WILL REMAIN ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION ADJACENT TO HIGHWAY 16. THIS IS A SITE PLAN OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. THE EXISTING PARKING. THE EXISTING SITE PLAN. THERE WILL BE NO CHANGES WHATSOEVER MADE TO THE SITE PLAN ITSELF. ALL OF THE REVISIONS FOR THIS WILL

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THE SPECIALTY CLASS III HOSPITAL IS A SPECIFIC LICENSURE BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND WILL BE LICENSED BY THE STATE. ADDITIONAL SITE DETAILS NO CHANGES TO THE FOOT PRINT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. NO CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN. THE SIGNAGE WILL BE THE SAME THERE'S ONE SIGN OUT THERE NEAR HIGHWAY 16 AS A MONUMENT SIGN. IT WILL STAY THE SAME EXCEPT THE NAME WILL CHANGE. THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS HAVE ALL BEEN MET. THE EXISTING BUFFERS ARE IN PLACE. THEY MEET SPECIFICALLY I THINK IT IS BE 20 IS THE REQUIREMENT AND OF COURSE WHAT IS THERE NEEDS THAT AND WE WILL BE UNDER. IF ANYTHING GOT DAMAGED OR IF ANYTHING LIKE THAT HAPPENED DURING CONSTRUCTION OF COURSE IT WOULD BE REPLACED. IT IS A CONTINUING REQUIREMENT AND OF COURSE ANY OTHER APPLICABLE REGULATIONS WOULD BE MET PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE RENOVATION PERMIT. FINDINGS AND FACTS FOR APPROVAL IT DOES MEET ALL SIX FINDINGS FOR APPROVAL FOR A MODIFICATION PLANNING AND ZONING THE AGENCY DID UNANIMOUSLY VOTE TO APPROVE THE MAJOR MODIFICATION OCTOBER 19. I DO HAVE ONE ITEM TO BRING TO THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION AND THAT IS IN THE PACKAGE. IT IS THE VERY FIRST WHEREAS CLAUSE IT HAS A DATE OF THE APPLICATION BEING OCTOBER 26, 2022. THE ACTUAL DATE OF THE APPLICATION IS JUNE 26, 2023. I SPOKE TO MS. BISHOP ABOUT THIS AND SHE ASKED ME TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION. SHE SAID THAT TWEEN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL MAKE THAT CHANGE TO THE ACTUAL FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE WHEREAS CLAUSE. WITH THAT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THIS USE. THE MAJOR MODIFICATION. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE OR ANYTHING THAT COMES UP DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. I HAVE ONE QUESTION BECAUSE WHEN I WENT TO VISIT IT YESTERDAY YOU ARE ADVERTISING FOR MORE CLIENT TO COME IN THEIR. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THERE AND COMING THERE DO THEY ALL KNOW THIS IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY NEED TO FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO HELP WITH

THAT? >> CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS. IN FACT AS A POINT TO CLARIFY THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL USE BEING ADDED TO THE MAJOR MODIFICATION. THE ALF WILL BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE. IT WILL BE 6 TO 8 MONTHS FOR ALL OF THE PLANS TO BE DEVELOPED. IT'S A HOSPITAL STAY A VERY SPECIFIC BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS MUCH DIFFERENT, MAY BE AKIN TO A SCHOOL OR UNIVERSITY BUT VERY STRICT. PROBABLY MORE SO. IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME.

DURING THAT TIME THAT WILL BE WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION WILL BE LOOKING FOR RELOCATION ASSISTING WITH THE RELOCATION.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

>> ALL RIGHT WE WILL AT THIS TIME HERE COMMENTS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. PLEASE COME FORWARD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN 3 MINUTES. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6? SEEING NONE WE WILL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WITHOUT FURTHER DISCUSSION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2023-55 APPROVING MAJOR MOD

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ON THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION

[Public Comment (Part 1 of 2)]

>> BEFORE WE GO INTO TIME CERTAIN COMMENTS I WANT TO TO AS THE BOARD DO WE WANT TO BREAK FOR LUNCH OR DO WE WANT TO PUSH THROUGH SEEING WE ONLY HAVE TWO MORE APPOINTMENTS?

>> PUSH THROUGH. >> OKAY AT THIS TIME WE WILL

START PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HAVE A COMMENTS ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. WE WILL HAVE OUR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. BILLY EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK. COMMENTS WILL BE PADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT AN INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FROM THE BOARD. NO ONE MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH REMARKS OR BEHAVIOR. YOU SHOULD RESTRAIN FOR ANY APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL FROM COMMENTS. FINALLY I WOULD ASK THE SPEAKER TO PRESENT OVERHEAD MATERIAL FOR THE STAFF IN COURT TO BE ENTERED BY PUBLIC RECORD. THANK YOU.

>> BJ MCLEAN. FIRST, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE IS PAYING ATTENTION IN THE BACK. THERE IS A STACK OF FORMS THAT IS CALLED LISTENING AND LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES. I APPRECIATE THAT AND PUT BACK THERE FOR PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE A COMPUTER I CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. PEOPLE WHO MAY BE LISTENING AND STREAMING THIS THING NOW OR LATER ON GET A COPY OF IT. GET A FRIEND TO BRING IT TO YOU IF YOU CAN'T COME DOWN. I NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY JUST NOT THE PEOPLE WHO CAN SHOW UP HERE. AND NOW JUST FOR SOME INFORMATION THERE WAS A LETTER FROM THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FROM RYAN ENVIRONMENTAL SUPERVISOR LAND PROGRAM BOARD STAFF LIAISON. IN THE LETTER, PART OF IT SAID AND YOU WILL HAVE THIS. MR. FLOWERS, MISS ROBBINS AND MR. MILLER ARE RECOMMENDING REAPPOINTMENT AND MRS. CROSBY WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION TO REPLACE MR. MENSCH FOR THE FOUR AT-LARGE TERMS EXPIRING ON NOVEMBER 16, 2023 FOR THE LAMP PROGRAM. WE KNOW HOW THAT WENT. THEN WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I HAVE BEEN WAITING BECAUSE OF OUR NEW ADMINISTRATOR. WHEN WILL THE CONTRACT FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BE AVAILABLE? ANOTHER QUESTION IS, IS HER SALARY AS INTERIM IN EFFECT UNTIL THIS CONTRACT IS SIGNED? I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW WHEN THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. WITH THE NEW CHAIR MISS ARNOLD. IT WAS GOOD TO SEE MR. JUMP SMITH BECAUSE HE HANDLED ONE BEFORE A FEW YEARS AGO. THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT MAYBE WE CAN GET ANSWERS TO AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON AND THEN WE CAN SEE WHAT IS BEING DECIDED. I'M SURE THERE IS AN ATTORNEY WITH OUR COUNTY THAT'S GOING TO BE SENDING IN SOME OF THOSE

NEGOTIATIONS. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING AGAIN JOE MCINERNEY, I WAS HERE AT THE LAST COMMISSIONERS MEETING AND I WAS HAPPY TO SIT IN ON THE PRESENTATION BY THE CONSULTANT.

WHAT A GREAT PROCESS. I WENT HOME AND WENT ONLINE AND IT IS REALLY GREAT. I AGREE IT IS NICE TO HAVE THE WRITTEN FORM SPEC THERE WHEN YOU GO ONLINE IT'S NICE TO READ ON ALL THAT.

I THOUGHT IF WE ARE UNDERWAY TO START LOOKING AT CHANGES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHATNOT A BETTER WAY TO START ON PAGE 1 ITEM ONE. BECAUSE THAT SETS THE TONE FOR EVERYTHING. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND READ THAT WHAT A GREAT STATEMENT. CREATE A SOUND ECONOMIC BASE AND OFFER DIVERSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR A WIDE VARIETY OF LIVING, WORKING, SHOPPING AND LEISURE ACTIVITIES WHILE MINIMIZING ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. SO THERE YOU GO THERE ST. JOHN COUNTY INTENT AS IT STATED 10 YEARS AGO. WHAT

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A LOT OF IT WAS FOCUSED ON THAT WE ARE LOSING A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT BUT WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT. I HAVE A PROPOSED REVISION FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. LET'S REVISE PAGE 1 ARTICLE I.

LET'S TURN THIS THING AROUND AND LET'S SAY MAXIMIZED PRESERVATION OF THE NATURAL RESOURCES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WHILE PROVIDING A WIDE VARIETY OF LIVING, WORKING, SHOPPING AND LEISURE ACTIVITIES. IT CAPTURES A DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO DO IT CAPTURES MAXIMIZING THE BEAUTY AND UNIQUE CARE WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY THAT COMBINES IT IN A NEW WAY AND IT GIVES A FOCUS TO MAXIMIZING PRESERVATION FIRST

AND FOREMOST. >> THANK YOU.

>> AMORY EVANS 1356 ROBERTS RD.. I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT TODAY. I AM AN ATTORNEY YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THAT.

PRIOR TO THAT BEFORE BECOMING AN ATTORNEY I WAS A PUBLIC RECORDS OFFICER. MY CURIOSITY WAS SPIKE AT THE LAST BOARD COUNTY COMMISSION BECAUSE THERE WAS A LAWSUIT ON THE TABLE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PUBLIC RECORDS. AND SO, THAT CASE IS A MATTER INVOLVED IN ACT OF ONGOING LITIGATION IN A MATTER THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD WITH A AGREEMENT. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAD RECOMMENDED ACCEPTING THAT MEDIATION AGREEMENT BASED ON THE UNCERTAINTY OF LITIGATION AND THE COST TO THE PUBLIC. SO A PUBLIC RECORD REQUESTED WHAT HAS BEEN SPENT SO FAR ON ATTORNEY FEES BECAUSE OF THIS MATTER INVOLVES ATTORNEYS WHO WORK FOR THE COUNTY, THEY ARE WITNESSES. SO AN OUTSIDE FIRM HAPPEN TO BE USED FOR THIS PARTICULAR MATTER. SO WHAT YOU SEE, A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE ALREADY SPENT FOR OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR WHAT I CAN ASSESS TO BE A THREE MONTH ONE WEEK PPERIOD IS $61,000. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SAID I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS THE CASE SPECIFICS BUT WE WILL TALK TO EACH OF YOU PRIVATELY. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I DON'T SEE A WAY THAT THIS GETS BETTER WITH TIME. I WILL SHOW YOU WHY AND PERHAPS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WHILE THE DIFFERENT OPINION BUT THIS IS WHAT WE ALREADY SPENT ON ATTORNEY FEES. 61,000+. THE OFFER TO RESOLVE THE CASE WAS FOR $45,000 WHICH COMES TO A GRAND TOTAL OF $106,000 PLUS CHANGE. IF WE GO TO TRIAL AND WHEN IT IS REASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT THE COST THAT WE HAVE ALREADY ACCRUED WHEN WE START GETTING READY FOR TRIAL THERE WILL BE MORE DEPOSITIONS, MORE MOTIONS MORE LETTERS. THIS AMOUNT ISN'T GOING TO GET BETTER WITH TIME IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. I DOUBLED WHAT IT IS BUT IT MIGHT BE WELL MORE THAN THAT. EVEN IF WE ARE VAGUE BOREAS IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE OUT ABOUT 120,000 SO BY NOT SETTLING THE CASE WE ARE IN A WORSE POSITION THAN A BETTER POSITION. IF WE GO TO TRIAL AND LOSE WE STILL ACCRUE THIS AMOUNT OF APPROXIMATELY 120. THE PART THAT IS REALLY CONCERNING IS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HOOK THE OTHER SIDE'S

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ATTORNEY FEES. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> DORIS TAYLOR 208 LOEB ELIA ROAD. THIS IS SORE DR., PARK IN SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH. THAT IS ME DRIVING ALONG THE ROAD THIS MORNING. YOU ARE GOING TO SEE JUST HOW NARROW MOST OF THIS IS. I FINALLY GOT THE PLANS FOR THIS PROJECT. THE PROJECT TO PAVE AN 8 FOOT WIDE PIECE OF ASPHALT ALONG THIS GORGEOUS PATH. AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S HARDLY ANY CARS. I PASSED TWO CARS AND TWO PEDESTRIANS. THIS IS NOT A DANGEROUS PLACE TO RIDE OR WALK . I CAN SEE MY NEIGHBORS OUT RIDING THEIR BIKES ALL THE TIME AND RARELY DO I PASS CARS. IT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO DANGEROUS. YES YOU DO NOT WANT YOUR TWO-YEAR-OLD PLAYING IN THE STREET AND THAT'S TRUE JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE. THERE IS ALL THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE. MOST OF IT IS NARROW SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A PATH IN THE MONEY THAT YOU GET TO USE FOR THIS REQUIRES THAT IT BE IN 8 FOOT WIDE ASPHALT WITH 2 FEET WIDE CLEARED ON EITHER SIDE. THE 12 FEET WIDE. IT TOOK A LOT BUT I FINALLY GOT THE ACREAGE OF THE SPARK. THEY WANT TO CALL IT, THEY WANT TO SAY IT IS 54.9 ACRES INCLUDING WETLANDS. THE WETLANDS IS 27 ACRES PLUS. SO THAT IS A DRY 27 ACRES 27POINT 863 AND I REALIZE THAT'S DRY THAT'S NOT GRASS. YOU ARE SEEING A GRASSY AREA WITH HAMMETT, WITH ENTRIES AREAS YOU CAN'T USE AND RIGHT NOW THERE ARE SOME SMALL AREAS WHERE YOU CAN THROW A FRISBEE FOR YOUR DOG OR PLAY WITH THE KIDS. I CAN SEE PEOPLE OUT THERE PICNICKING. BUT THE GRASSY AREA I HAD TO ESTIMATE, YOU CAN SEE AND IF THE GRASSY AREA IS HALF OF THE DRY AREA, WHICH IT MIGHT BE. THEN, PAVING IT, YOUR 12 FOOT WIDE CLEARING IS 4.7 ACRES, THAT IS 30 PERCENT OF THE GRASSY AREA. IF YOU ONLY COUNT THE BLACK PAVEMENT IT IS 8 FEET WIDE. THAT WILL BE 20 PERCENT APPROXIMATELY OF THE GRASSY AREA. 2 MILES OF IT, THIS IS ROUGH NUMBERS FOR ME, WORKING FROM THE PLANS THAT SHOW THE PATHWAY ALONG THE ROAD. 2 MILES OF IT IS A PATH

RIGHT ALONG THE ROAD. >> THANK YOU MS. TAYLOR.

>> THIS IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE. I AM PACKING IT UP. DON'T PUT THIS IN THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. >> I AGREE WITH HER. THIS IS WASTE FRAUD AND ABUSE. A COUPLE OF YOU HAVE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THIS IS THE WRONG PLACE FOR THE PARK. A RIGHT PLACE FOR THE PARK BUT NOT A BIKE PATH THAT WILL DESTROY PEOPLE'S PROPERTY RIGHT. MOST OF THE HOMES AS I UNDERSTAND IT ALONG THIS ROAD HAVE SEPTIC TANK. WE DON'T WANT THIS IN THE RIVER FROM THE SET DICTATE WHEN IT FLOODS FROM THE HURRICANES. THIS IS PROBABLY THE LAST PLACE IN FLORIDA WHERE THERE IS OYSTER RING AND COMMISSIONER DEAN KNOWS. HE'S A PASSIONATE DEFENDER OF THE RIVER AND WATER QUALITY OF THE RIVER AND HAS BEEN PURSUING THIS ISSUE FOR 40 YEARS. I HOPE YOU ALL MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND REJECT THIS PROPOSAL. I THINK THE GRANT SHOULD BE WITHDRAWN IN THE FUND SHOULD BE RETURNED THIS IS WASTE FRAUD AND ABUSE. I ALSO WANT TO THINK CHAIR ARNOLD AND COMMISSIONER DEAN FOR THEIR VOTE IN FAVOR WITH THE PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY AND IN THE SPIRIT OF CHRISTMAS I WANT TO TO QUOTE THE COMMISSIONER WHEN HE PAID TRIBUTE TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON WHEN HE MADE IT THE

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WE ONLY HAVE ONE MORE VOTE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY. WE ACTUALLY LEFT MILLIONS OF DOLLARSON THE TABLE. WE ARE ONE OF ONLY THREE OR FOUR COUNTIES OUT OF HOW MANY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDATHAT DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY? WHEN WE GET PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY WE DO THAT TO HELP PEOPLE WITH HOUSING. I ALSO WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER ARNOLD FOR MEETING WITH JANIE MULDER THE CHAIR OF HOMELESS COMMISSION 3 HOURS. SHE GETS IT. COMMISSIONER DEAN GETS IT. WE ONLY NEED ONE MORE VOTE. PLEASE FIND IT WITHIN YOUR HEART FOR CHRISTMAS TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND VOTE TO EXPLORE IN PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. FIND IT WITHIN YOUR HEART. THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU CAN DO THIS YEAR AND ALSO WE ARE STILL WAITING ON ANSWERS. A LOT OF QUESTIONS I HAD, 104 QUESTIONS TO BE SPECIFIC AT THE TRIMMED BUDGET HEARING. I HOPE OUR NEW ADMINISTRATOR WILL LOOK INTO THAT AND GET ME SOME ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS. NONE OF THEM WERE ANSWERED AND I GOT GUFF FROM JESSE DUNN ON THE MONEY ON THE EMBEZZLEMENT. ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS WEAK ON CONTROL. WE CAN DO BETTER I KNOW WE CAN DO BETTER BUT I WANTED TO WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY HOLIDAY MERRY CHRISTMAS HAPPY HANUKKAH FIND IT WITHIN YOUR HEART. WHEN MORE VOTE AND WE CAN GET A PHA AND HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE NEEDING HOUSING. I KNOW ONE OF YOU MAYBE ALL OF YOU WILL DO THIS. THANK YOU.

>> DO WE GET 6 MINUTES OR THREE?

>> WE HAVE DOCUMENTS TO SHOW YOU.

>> YOU CAN PUT THEM ON THE CENTER PODIUM AND WE WILL BROADCAST THEM UP. THE CAMERA WILL CATCH THEM. YOU CAN SUBMIT THEM TO THE CLERK OF COURT WHEN YOU ARE DONE. CAN

YOU ONLY SEE ONE AT A TIME? >> WE CAN GET THIS.

>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> MY NAME IS CLARK MONAHAN I LIVE AT 309 NEPTUNE RD..

>> FRANCIS LIN BERG FOR A SIX SHORE DRIVE.

>> I HAVE BEEN AN OWNER FOR 32 YEARS NOW AND I ENJOY SEEING THE SHORE SOUTH AND WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL VIEW. I BELIEVE IF THEY PUT THE TRAIL IN I LOOK OUT AT THE VIEW AND I CAN SEE ONE ROAD. I WILL SEE TWO ROADS IF THIS GOES THROUGH. I THINK THE WHOLE THING MIGHT BE DRIVEN BY MONEY. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MAKING A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS AND I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT I HAVE TALKED TO THAT LIVES ON THE STREET THAT HAS BEEN FOR

THIS PROJECT. >> WHAT A BEEN SHOWING YOU IS UNITS NUMBER 2 -LISTING- OF THE PLAT BOOK FOR SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH. I ALSO HAVE HERE A QUICK CLAIM DEED DATED 26 AUGUST 1958 BY SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH INK TO SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH IMPROVEMENT ASSOCIATION IMPROVEMENT ASSOCIATION AS PART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE LAND ABUTTING THE PARKLAND ABUTTING THOSE UNITS WAS A QUICK CLAIM DEED TO OUR ASSOCIATION. YOU GUYS WILL GET A COPY OF THIS I ASSUME. THERE

ARE SEVERAL PAGES INCLUDING. >> SOME OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT THE PROPERTY TO BE USED BY THE SUBDIVISION KNOWN AS SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH FOR PARK RECREATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY AND GRANTED HERE FOR THE PROPERTY TO MAINTAIN SAID PREMISES FOR SUCH PURPOSES. CURRENTLY I CANNOT MAINTAIN THAT. I MAINTAINED IT FOR 25 YEARS. WE HAD A BEAUTIFUL VIEW NOW THE WHOLE THING IS FULL OF INVASIVE PLANTS AND VINES AND SHRUBS AND IS BLOCKING THE VIEW IN THE COUNTY WAS ACTUALLY STOPPING ME FROM DOING THAT BECAUSE WE CAN'T CUT THE BRANCH DOWN.

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>> THANK YOU. >> WE DON'T HAVE WHAT WE DID HAVE 20 OR 40 YEARS AGO. WHAT'S IF YOU WILL SUBMIT THAT TO THE CLERK OF COURTS WE CAN GET COPIES OF IT?

>> THANK YOU. >> NICOLE CROSBY 1169 NECK ROAD. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENTS BECAUSE I BECAME SO INCENSED WHEN I HEARD THE PREVIOUS TWO COMMENTS AGO ALL THE WISHES OF MERRY CHRISTMAS AND SO ON. ED SLAVEN DISBARRED ATTORNEY WHO HAS BEEN ON A MISSION AND A CAMPAIGN TO HARASS, BULLY AND SLANDER ME ON HIS BLOG AND SOCIAL MEDIA. I TRIED TO LET IT GO BUT I CAN'T.

SOMETIMES IT IS BETTER TO BRING IT OUT INTO THE SUNSHINE AND THAT IS WHAT I AM DOING RIGHT NOW. HIS LATEST TRICK HAS BEEN TO CALL ME A FELON BECAUSE I AM ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO REGISTER TO VOTE IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY. SO I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE THAT. STATED FOR WHAT IT IS AND LET HIS CREDIBILITY OR WHATEVER IS LEFT OF IT FOLLOW. HE SEEMS TO THINK IT'S OKAY TO PUT WORDS IN QUOTES AND ATTRIBUTE THEM TO ME EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP. I JUST WANT TO SAY ANYTIME YOU SEE THE WORDS AND NICOLE SAID DEMAND EVIDENCE OF

IT. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS CAROL GAIN SHE AND I LIVE AT 110 BEECHWOOD RD. AND I HAVE RECENTLY MOVED TO THE STATE ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO. WE PURCHASED A HOME SPECIFICALLY IN SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH BECAUSE OF BEAUTIFUL WALKWAYS ALONG THE RIVER. IT DREW US THERE AND I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE. 15, 30, PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THEY MOVED HERE AND PURCHASED HOMES BECAUSE OF THE SCREEN SPACE WE HAVE. THIS WOMAN WHO HAD THE BEAUTIFUL VIDEO THAT SHOWED YOU AND ALSO BROKE DOWN SAYING 30 PERCENT OF GOING TO BE USED IN THIS FIASCO OF AN IDEA THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE A 12 FOOT WALKWAY IN THE SOUTH AND I JUST LIKE TO ASK YOU HAVE ANY OF YOU WALKED IT PERSONALLY YOURSELF? HAS BEEN WALKS IT EVERY DAY AND WE FIND THE SAME THING. THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH THEIR DOGS, THE BEES AND STROLLERS.

WE DO NOT SEE A TRAFFIC HAZARD WHATSOEVER. PEOPLE ARE COURTEOUS WE HAVE A 25 MPH SPEED LIMIT AND PEOPLE ARE COURTEOUS. THEY PULL ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE OTHER LANE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THE DOG, BABY STROLLER OR WALKER OR BIKER. WE ARE VERY CONCERNED NEIGHBORS. SECONDLY, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIND A SITE MAP. I BELIEVE I EMAILED THE COMMISSIONERS FOR ONE AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU THE PARKING AREA. MUCH PARKING ARE YOU PROPOSING BE ON THE GREEN SPACE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME IN THEIR BIKE TO RIDE THE AREA.

ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS FOR THE APPOINTED PROJECT SO I CAN BE MORE AWARE OF IT. I AM WONDERING WHY THEY HAVE NOT CONSIDERED A SIMPLE 4 FOOT WALKWAY, A SIDEWALK TO GET THE PEOPLE OFF THE ROAD IF YOU ARE CONCERNED WHY DO WE NEED 12 FEET? WE HAVE THE IMPACT OF THE TREES IN THE DRAINAGE DITCHES IN THE WILDLIFE SANCTUARY AND GROUND ANIMALS AND MAILBOXES. ALL SORTS OF ELECTRICAL POLES ON ANY SITE YOU'RE USING. WE HAVE A STATUS OF THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIG AND SPOKEN TO THE ARCHAEOLOGIST. WHO WILL MAINTAIN IT AND WILL THERE BE FUTURE TAX IMPLICATIONS FOR THAT USAGE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY OR WILL IT GO TO ASSESSMENT FOR SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH. THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT IS THERE IS A VILE SWASTIKA THAT HAS BEEN PAINTED ON THE DOUGLAS CRANE DOCK WALKWAY OUT TO THE DOCK AND I HAVE ASKED IN A COUPLE OF EMAILS THAT IT BE REMOVED. THOSE ARE SOME OF MY OPINIONS AND THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS.

>> ABSOLUTELY WE WILL WE WILL GET PARKS AND REC ON IT RIGHT

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AWAY. >> MY NAME IS SUSAN MILLER AT 3502 SHORE DR., ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH AND I AM HERE ABOUT THE BOONDOGGLE TRAIL AGAIN. I DID A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH AND COUNTRIES AND STATES AND THE WORLD IS HARDENING THEIR COASTAL AREAS BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND RISING SEA LEVELS. HERE WE ARE. WE ARE GOING TO DIG OURS UP. THE ENTIRE SAINT AUGUSTINE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ONSET TANKS.

THAT IS A PARTIAL MAP. EVERY ONE OF THOSE IS A SET TANK IN A FIELD. A LOT OF THOSE WERE BUILT IN THE 60S AND 70S AND ARE THE ORIGINAL TANKS AND ORIGINAL FIELDS. I KNOW MY HOUSE IS 60 YEARS OLD AND WE JUST REPLACED IT TWO YEARS AGO.

WATER RUNS DOWNHILL AND YOU CAN SEE THE TRAIL IS NARROW IN SOME AREAS. THAT WATER IS PESTICIDES, FERTILIZERS, SEWAGE, IT IS WHATEVER. IT ALL RUNS TOWARDS THE RIVER IN THOSE VERY NARROW AREAS WILL BE DUG UP WITHIN EIGHT FOOT PAVED TRAIL RIGHT THERE. THE GREENWAY ACT AS A FILTER AND EVERY BLADE OF GRASS COUNTS. TO ME THE GREENWAY IN MANY PLACES IS ALWAYS MUDDY. YOU SAW ON THE VIDEO THE NICE LADY DID LARGE TRENCHES. WHY IS THE GREENWAY USUALLY MUDDY? IT IS USUALLY RIVER SEARCH OR DRAINAGE ISSUES. MANY OF THE AREAS ON SHORE DRIVE ARE FLOODED WITH KING TIDES TORRENTIAL RAINS AND STORMS. IF YOU BUILT THE STUDENT BOGGLE THE AREA WOULD BE FLOODED WITHIN SIX MONTHS. AFTER A YEAR IT WILL BE FLOODED AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR TIMES AND AFTER TWO YEARS THE ASPHALT WILL BEGIN TO HEAVE AND BUCKLE.

WITH A NICE HARD RAIN THE CHUNKS WILL WASH INTO THE RIVER AND WE CAN ALL PAY TO CLEAN IT UP. YOU ARE THE FISCAL GUARDIANS OF THIS COMMUNITY. WHY WOULD YOU PUT A YES VOTE IN YOUR NAME TO SQUANDER $2.2 MILLION TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT WILL FLOOD? THIS PROJECT REMINDS ME OF A BOAT WE ONCE HAD. CONSTANT MAINTENANCE REPAIR AND CLEANUP. AN ADA TRAIL ALREADY EXISTS. WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER ONE? I BELIEVE THE PARKS AND REC PEOPLE ARE GREAT PEOPLE AND I THINK THEY ARE MISALIGNED. THE PROJECT TO BE HALTED AND PUT IN A TRASH BIN. THERE'S PLENTY MORE OPTIONS TO MAKE THIS INMATE ACCESSIBLE. WE SEE THIS CASH IS NOT ONE OF THEM. THESE DO NOT BE THE COMMISSIONER THAT PUT YOUR NAME ON THIS. NO REVENUE WILL BE COLLECTED FROM THIS BOONDOGGLE AND EVENTUALLY IT WILL ALL HAVE TO BE REMOVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. OH MA'AM CAN WE GET A COPY OF THOSE? HELLO. MY NAME IS DAVID GENJI I LIVE AT 110 BEACHWOOD ROAD SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH. I AM AGAINST THE TRAIL. MY WIFE HAD MENTIONED EARLIER I DO WALK IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. THE ENTIRE LENGTH. I WOULD PROBABLY WALK 300 TIMES A YEAR AND I CAN TELL YOU FOR ALL THE DOG.[BLEEP] IS ON THE TRAIL. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT HAS TO BE BUILT AND WE WILL LEAVE ALL THE DETAILS AND SPECIFICS OF SOME OF THE OTHER ARGUMENTS THAT YOU HEAR. TWO POINTS OR THREE NUMBER 1 THERE IS A PETITION GOING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR PEOPLE TO SIGN TO BE AGAINST IT. THE LITTLE BIT THAT I HAVE HEARD A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE AGAINST IT EVEN THOSE THAT ARE NOT ON SHORE DRIVE. THE SECOND THING IS IN A WORLD IN WHICH WE ARE TOLD EVERY DAY ON THE NEWS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DIE BECAUSE OF MOBILE WARMING IN THIS COUNTY THEY SEEM TO HAVE A HABIT OF PLOWING DOWN ACRES IF NOT MILES OF TREES FOR DEVELOPMENT.

AGAIN I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT AND IT APPLIES TO WHY THE TRAIL IS GOING IN. IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. I AM ALSO AN AVID VOTER AND I USE A BOW CRANE ALL THE TIME. I WAS EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE IT REBUILT BECAUSE THERE WERE CHALLENGES WITH THE OLD ONE. IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST BOATS TO PUT THE BOAT IN AND WHEN I WAS DONE I COULD NOT GET IT DOWN THE RAMP. SUBSEQUENT GRINDING'S AND SO FORTH I CAN FINALLY GET MY BOAT DOWN THE RAMP AND USE IT AND AS YOU CAN USE IT IT'S STILL SCARRED UP HERE THE SECOND THING IS THE RETENTION POND WAS NOT BUILT PROPERLY. THE SPILLWAY IS

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[7. Consider appointment to the Recreation Advisory Board.]

>> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD AND THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7. SPENCER? GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. JOANNE SPENCER SENIOR ASSISTANT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. I AM HERE WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7 CONSIDER APPOINTMENT TO THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD. THERE'S ONE VACANCY DUE TO A RESIGNATION OF DEBORAH CHAPMAN. PLEASE FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION A RECOMMENDATION LETTER FROM THE BOARD AND TO QUALIFYING APPLICATIONS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I AM ON

STANDBY. ANY QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> I THINK WE NEED TO DO PUBLIC COMMENTS FIRST.

>> OKAY. WE WILL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7. SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION OR EMOTION? GO AHEAD. MR. WHITEHURST?

>> I WANT TO CONVEY THAT THE ADVISORY BOARD WITH LIKE TO BE REFLECTED IN THE MOTION. SHE IS SUPPOSED TO BEGIN IMMEDIATELY AND AS THE MAKING OF THE MOTION SHE SUPPOSED TO START THE DUTIES ON THE ADVISORY BOARD AND FILL AN ADDITIONAL TERM FOR THAT TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING LEGALLY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN IN TERMS OF, DOES THE

MOTION NEED TO REFLECT THAT? >> ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.

I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE TWO MOTIONS ONE IS FOR THE APPOINTMENT AND ONE IS FOR THE REAPPOINTMENT WOULD BE

SUFFICIENT. >> OKAY COMMISSIONER.

>> OKAY I MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT TERESA ROSS TO THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD TO FILL A VACANCY. DO YOU WANT ME

TO FINISH THE MOTION? >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. WE HAVE ANOTHER

[8. Consider appointments to the Planning and Zoning Agency.]

MOTION. >> MOTION TO REAPPOINT TERESA ROSS TO THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD TO THE FOUR-YEAR TERM

EXPIRING FEBRUARY 4, 2028. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5-0.

>> GREAT THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM IS MINE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

THERE ARE TWO CURRENT VACANCIES ON THIS DUE TO EXPIRED TERMS OF TIME DOCTOR RICHARD A VACANCY AD WAS PLACED IN RAN FOR THREE MONTHS. PLEASE SEE FOR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION A RECOMMENDATION LETTER AND 17 APPLICATIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I AM ON STANDBY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL CLEAR COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.

>> MEGAN PERKINS 143 SCOTTSDALE DRIVE I AM HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR REAPPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD. I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR FOUR YEARS AND THE CURRENT CHAIR. I AM ALSO A LAND-USE ATTORNEY AND I FEEL LIKE MY BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE AS AN ATTORNEY HAS BEEN A GREAT ASSET TO THE BOARD. WITH THAT BEING SAID I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE REAPPOINTED FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> JOE MCINERNEY 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE. I CONCUR. I DO SUPPORT MISS PERKINS. IN FACT I DID APPEAR IN FRONT OF THE PCA AND MADE A SUGGESTION A RECOMMENDATION THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOOD BALANCE ON THAT BOARD THOSE WHO SEE BOTH SIDES OF AN ISSUE BOTH THAT HAVE THE BEST PROCEDURE IN MY ESTIMATION WAS FOR THEM TO RECOMMEND THE

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>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. I CAN SEE COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH? >> I DO WANT TO APPOINT DOCTOR HILSON BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING. TWO OTHER CANDIDATES ARE GREAT UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ON THE BOARD AS BEFORE. THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE THAT I KNOW VERY WELL AND I THINK THEY ARE VERY WELL VERSED FOR THIS. I DO REALIZE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A VOTE FOR TWO OTHERS SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST THAT HILSENBECK BE ON THE BOARD.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND DISCUSSION? YES COMMISSIONER

DEAN? >> I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT I INITIALLY NOMINATED MR. HILSENBECK. I, TOO, HAVE FIVE GOOD FRIENDS ON THIS LIST OF APPLICATIONS. THEY ARE ALL GOOD ACTUALLY EXCELLENT BUT DOCTOR HILSENBECK BRINGS A CERTAIN EXPERTISE. HE IS A SOILSEXPERT AND AN EXPERT IN HORTICULTURE. AND FULL DISCLOSURE I WORKED WITH HIM FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. NOT EVERY DAY TWICE A YEAR AND HE BRINGS I THINK A GOOD BALANCE TO THIS PCA AND THAT'S MY POSITION AND THAT IS WHY I SECONDED THE MOTION.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DEAN .

>> THANK YOU MANAGER DID I AS WELL HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS ON THIS LIST AS WELL AND I SERVED ON THE PCA BOARD FOR FOUR YEARS PRIOR TO GETTING ON THIS BOARD. AND I KNOW JAKE WILLIAMS I SERVED WITH MIKE COPE AND HAGER AND MEGAN PERKINS AS WELL. WE HAVE SOME GREAT FOLKS. JOHN IS A CLOSE FRIENDS OF MINE AND I THINK HE WOULD DO A GREAT JOB. THIS WAS A BIT OF A TOUGH ONE FOR ME BECAUSE I GOT TO KNOW THESE FOLK. I JUST WANTED TO

POINT THIS OUT AS WELL. >> OKAY WITHOUT FURTHER DISCUSSION WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. OKAY THAT PASSES 3-2. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR MOTION?

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION. >> YES, THANK YOU. I SERVED WITH MEGAN PERKINS AND I SAW A REAL LEADER. SHE DID A GREAT JOB ON THE BOARD AND SHE REALLY BRING SOME THING SOME EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE TO THE BOARD. I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO APPOINT MEGAN PERKINS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING FOR A FOUR-YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE DECEMBER 5, 2027. >

SECONDS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A

SECOND. >> I HAVE A COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU. >> I DO ADMIRE MEGAN FOR WHAT YOU DO BUT I AM CONCERNED THAT IS 99 PERCENT YES AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE COMMON ON YOUR OPINION DURING WATCHING THOSE

[Public Comment (Part 2 of 2]

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S VOTE. IT PASSES 4-1 X THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT BRINGS US BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE.

>> WE WILL NOWW HEAR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> I WANTED TO AND ON A HIGH NOTE OF COURSE DON'T I ALWAYS? THANK YOU LORD. I WANTED TO REFLECT ON MR. BURNETT'S COMMENT ABOUT PRAYING FOR PEACE IN JERUSALEM AND THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN CHAOS THAT IS GOING ON THERE AND HANUKKAH DOES START DAY AFTER TOMORROW. PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM SOMETHING THAT THE BIBLE COMMANDS US TO DO. SOMETHING THAT GOD WANTS AS THE APPLE OF HIS EYE AND I WANT TO SAY HAPPY

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MUCH AND GOD BLESS YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE GENERAL

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. IT WILL TAKE US BACK TO THE COMMISSION REPORT. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO HONOR A CITIZEN IN THIS COUNTY. I HAPPEN TO KNOW HIM VERY WELL AND MY HUSBAND DOCTOR RON JOSEPH. HE WAS JUST AWARDED A MEDALIST ELECTED TO THE US HALL OF FAME FOR FIGURE SKATING AND IT HAD TO BE A TWO THIRDS VOTE AND HE AND HIS SISTER REALLY DID NOT THINK THEY WOULD GET IT BUT THEY DID AND IT WAS ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY NATIONALLY.

I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE VIDEO TO SHOW WHAT HE AND HIS SISTER,

THE TOP TWO. >>.

>> MY LAST COMMENT IS ESPECIALLY WITH JERUSALEM AND WHAT IS GOING ON. THEY ARE THE FIRST AND ONLY, I THINK AS OF RIGHT NOW, JEWISH OLYMPIC MEDALIST IN THE WINTER OLYMPICS. IT WAS REALLY A HUGE HONOR AT THE TIME FOR OUR

COUNTRY. SO, THANK YOU. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER ROY

ALAIMA? >> WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT SHORE DRIVE AND I'VE BEEN MEETING WITH RESIDENTS AND STAFF TO DISCUSS. WHEN THIS DOES COME FORWARD I WILL LOOK TO PULL IT FROM CONSENTS WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. I THINK THEY GET ALL POINTS OF VIEWS. I JUST TALKED TO LIZ RYAN ABOUT THIS SIGNIFICANTLY AND MAYBE THERE CAN BE SOME HAPPY MEDIUMS THERE. ON ANOTHER NOTE I WANT TO CONGRATULATE SAINT AUGUSTINE HIGH SCHOOL THEY ARE GOING TO THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME INFO ALL AND THEY HAVE HAD A GREAT YEAR. A GREAT TEAM. I BELIEVE THE COACH WAS COACH OF THE YEAR AND SO I AM EXCITED FOR THEM AND PRAYING FOR TREVOR LAWRENCE WITH THE JAGUARS HOPEFULLY THAT INJURY ISN'T TOO BAD AND HE WILL BE BACK IN ACTION. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE

TO REPORT. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST? >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR I ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM AND COMMISSIONER DEAN TOUCHED ON IT. WE DID LOSE SERGEANT MAJOR QUINN TO NOT ONLY SERVE THIS COUNTRY IN MILITARY BUT HAS BEEN SERVING VETERANS IN THE LATE STAGES OF HIS LIFE TO GIVE BACK TO THE VETERAN COMMUNITY.

NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT HE WAS APPOINTED TO BE A COUNTY COMMISSIONER. SOMETIMES CALLED IT COMMISSIONER . WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE I TRIED TO REACH OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SO I KNEW WHAT TO EXPECT WITH THE ELECTION. TELL ME WHAT IT WAS LIKE. I'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I'VE GOTTEN MYSELF INTO. IT'S LIKE THIS. HE SAID, WHEN I GOT APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR TO BECOME IT COMMISSIONER I CALLED MY MOM AND I SAID MOM I MADE IT. I AM FINALLY COMMISSIONER. THEY WENT OUT AND BOUGHT SUITS THEY SHINED THEIR SHOES AND WALKED THE OFFICE AND SAT DOWN AT THE DESK DEALING LIKE A MILLION BUCKS BECAUSE HE WAS A COUNT DILLEY COUNTY COMMISSIONER.

THE SHOESHINE STAFF WAS THERE TO SERVE THEM. IT WAS DUTIFUL.

AND THEN THE PHONE RINGS. THEN HE SAID, COMMISSIONER RAY QUINN AT YOUR SERVICE HOW CAN I HELP YOU? WOMAN ON THE OTHER END OF THE PHONE SAID, COMMISSIONER, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT ALL THESE FERAL CAT? HE SAID IF YOU WANT THE JOB THAT IS THE JOB. THERE'S NOTHING FANCY ABOUT IT. THERE'S NOTHING SELF AGGRANDIZING ABOUT IT. IF YOU ARE NOT THERE TO SERVE YOU SHOULD NOT WANT THE JOB. AND THAT IS A LESSON THAT STICKS WITH ME EVERY DAY. HE JUST WANTS TO COMMENT ON YOUR

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>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. TWO VERY TOUCHING

TRIBUTES. COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> YES. I SOMETIMES TRY TO MAKE A LITTLE WHIP TO AND ON A HAPPY NOTE AND GET A FEW CHUCKLES. THAT IS NOT THE CASE TODAY. I HAVE A VERY SERIOUS MATTER AND IS NOT PLEASANT. I DON'T REALLY ENJOY DOING IT. I AM COMPELLED. IN OUR LAST COMMISSIONER MEETING COMMISSIONER JOSEPH GAVE A SEVERAL MINUTE CAMPAIGN SPEECH AT WHICH POINT AFTER SEVERAL MINUTE I CALLED FOR A POINT OF ORDER. I DID THAT BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE TAPE OR WATCH THE VIDEO YOU WILL HEAR ME SAY I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE PROPER. I DON'T INK IT IS ALLOWABLE AT A PUBLIC COMMISSION MEETING IN A PUBLIC BUILDING. I WENT BACK AND I HAD HISTORY OF BEING A LITTLE BIT OF A LEGISLATIVE RESEARCH STATUTORY INTERPRETATION AND IT IS MY OPINION I HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THIS WITH ANY LAWYER CERTAINLY HAVE NOT DISCUSSED IT ANYONE ELSE IN THIS ROOM. BUT I FEEL LIKE IT HAS BEEN A RESPONSIBILITY AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO UPHOLD THE LAW. IT IS MY OPINION THAT THAT PARTICULAR POLITICAL SPEECH MADE IN THIS AUDITORIUM DURING THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING VIOLATED FLORIDA ELECTION LAW.

>> I'M SORRY ON PAR LIMITED PROCEDURE. YOU CANNOT ACCUSE ME OF LYING. X YOU ARE NOT RECOGNIZED.

>> IT IS MY OPINION THAT THIS IS S CALLED FOR A CENSURE. I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TOO CENSOR COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AND INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST IN THIS MOTION THAT IS TO SEEK I ASKED THE HAIRWOMAN TO SEEK OUTSIDE COUNSEL. AND TO WORK WITH THE COMMISSIONER TO IN FACT DETERMINE SPECIFICALLY WHETHER OR NOT THIS VIOLATED STATE LAW AND COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION AND DEPENDING ON THAT RECOMMENDATION WHAT SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT IF ANYTHING. THAT IS MY MOTION. TO CENSOR COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AND TO SEEK OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND ADVISE THE COMMISSION ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS PROBABLE CAUSE.

>> WHY DO I NOT GET POINTS OF ORDER?

>> COMMISSIONER YOU ARE NOT RECOGNIZED. WE WERE -STATE

YOUR POINT. >> MY POINT IS I WAS FACTUAL AND THERE WAS NOT ANYTHING SAID THAT I WAS NOT FACTUAL. POINT IS TAKEN. COMMISSIONER DEAN YOU MUST CONTINUE.

>> THAT IS BASICALLY MY MOTION. I STATED IT AS CLEARLY AS NECESSARY. AND NOT ON MY PMOTION THE UP OR DOWN BUT IT WAS CLEAR. > THE MOTION IS UNDERSTOOD BY US AND AT THIS POINT THERE DILLEY IT WOULD BE PROPER TO SEE IF THERE WAS A

SECOND. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND WE NEED TO HAVE FULL DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT AS WELL AS PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> LET'S DO PUBLIC COMMENTS FIRST AND THEN GET BACK TO BOARD DISCUSSION.

>> AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING COMMISSIONER DEAN'S MOTION.

>> AND SLAVEN, HAS MOVED TO CENSOR MY FRIENDS COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. I REQUEST THAT YOU VOTE THIS MOTION DOWN. AS I TOLD PEOPLE BEFORE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT NORMS IN LEGISLATURE IS COMMON COURTESY.

I THINK THIS COMMISSION WAS DISCOURTEOUS TO COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WHEN SHE RAISED HER CONCERNS ABOUT OVERDEVELOPMENT AND CORRUPTION AND SHE COULDN'T EVEN RECEIVE A PUNCTUATION.

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JOHN'S COUNTY EVER SINCE THE SPORT HAS BEEN SUBJECT TO I'M SORRY, MR. ROY ALAIMA ARE YOU GOING TO SAY SOMETHING? ANYWAY YOU HAVE A PROBLEM HERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T RESPECT PUBLIC OPINION. YOU DON'T RESPECT HUMAN RIGHTS. YOU DON'T RESPECT OUR RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE PARTY RULE IN THIS COUNTY. IS BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS FUNDS ALL BUT ONE OF YOUR POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH IS THE ONLY COMMISSIONER WHO DOES NOT TAKE MONEY FROM DEVELOPERS. I AM PROUD OF HER. WE DON'T AGREE ON SOME ISSUES AND YOU HAVE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THEM, EVEN TODAY. BUT MY FRIEND, HENRY, PLEASE. AS MY GRANDMOTHER WOULD SAY, DROP THE OYSTER AND LEAVE THE WHARF. THIS IS SILLINESS THIS RETALIATION AND AS MY MOM WOULD SAY IT STINKS. WHO WOULD YOU HIRE AS OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND WHO WOULD YOU BUDGET FOR? WE CLEARLY LEARNED OUR OWN COUNTY ATTORNEY DOES NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT CIVIL RIGHTS LAW OR HUMAN RIGHTS LAW OR ABOUT GAY RIGHTS LAW OR EVEN ABOUT PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE WHEN COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WAS SWORN IN A YEAR AGO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY GAVE INCORRECT INFORMATION AS TO THE DATE OF HER TERM BEGAN. SHE HAD TO SIT AND WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING BECAUSE NOBODY IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS CAPABLE OF DOING ANY RESEARCH. MAYBE THEY WERE CAPABLE BUT THEY DID NOT DO IT.

WHEN DOES THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TERM BEGAN? WHO ARE WE GOING TO HIRE? THE SAME GUY YOU ALL HIRED OR THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER HIRED FOR THE SAME PERSON YOU HIRED TO LOOK INTO THE VIOLATION OF THE FAIR HOUSING ACT WHICH THE CHAIRMAN AT THE TIME SAID THAT HE DIDN'T WANT THE KIND OF PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY WHO WOULD TAKE SECTION 8 HOUSING VOUCHERS. 60 PERCENT OF THOSE FOLKS ARE BLACK AND BROWN. ENOUGH CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION. THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

P>> DORIS TAYLOR 208 LAVALLEE ROAD SAINT AUGUSTINE. I AM STUNNED. I SHOULDN'T BE BECAUSE AFTER WATCHING YOU GUYS AND LISTENING TO YOU FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS I KNOW HOW ARROGANT YOU ARE. YOU THINK YOU CAN DO THIS? I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING. GO AHEAD AND TRY IT. YOU WILL EACH BE VOTED OUT. THIS POPULATION WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS KIND OF TREATMENT FOR A FELLOW COMMISSIONER. YOU ARE WAY OUT OF LINE AND DON'T YOU DARE SPEND MY TAX DOLLARS ON AN ATTORNEY TO DO THIS. THIS IS A SIGN OF THE TIMES. YOU GUYS ARE SO ARROGANT. YOU THINK YOU DON'T NEED OUR VOTE. DO YOU HAVE IT FIXED? THAT IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION I CAN COME UP WITH THAT YOU WOULD THINK YOU COULD GET AWAY WITH THIS. I WILL DO MY DAMNEDEST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T. I HAVE ANOTHER 2 MINUTES. I SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY. BUT HERE IS PROBABLY AWARE OF WHAT THE CPI ASKED CONSUMER PRICE INDEX AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THAT FOOD AND GASOLINE ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS NOT INCLUDED? TAXES. IT'S IN THE TOP 3 THINGS. FINANCIALLY THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE CPI. IT IS JUST ANOTHER WAY, A BIG OBVIOUS WAY WHERE THE DATA IS MANIPULATED TO FEED THE PROPAGANDA TO GET US TO KEEP FROM REVOLTING. WE ARE REVOLTED. YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE A REVOLT AT THE POLLS. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> AND MURRAY EVANS 1356 ROBERTS RD.. YOU KNOW FRIENDLY I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WANT AN ATTORNEY'S ADVICE YOU OFTEN DON'T TAKE IT LIKE YOU DID TWO WEEKS AGO WE HAD A MATTER BEFORE YOU. ULTIMATELY YOU WILL END UP COSTING TAXPAYERS MORE MONEY THAN IT WOULD HAVE TO SETTLE IT. THAT BEING SAID

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>> CHUCK LEVIN ASCII, PROUD OF MY COUNTRY RIGHT NOW I'M GOING TO GO HOME AND I'M GOING TO TURN MY FLAG UPSIDE DOWN BECAUSE THIS COUNTY IS IN DISTRESS AFTER WHAT HAS JUST HAPPENED. YOU TAKE SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT AGREE WITH YOU ALL THE TIME AND NOW YOU ARE CONDEMNING HER? KRISTIN JOSEPH IS STANDING UP FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS COUNTY, A MAJORITY OF THE TIME AND I HAVE WATCHED THIS COUNTY BASICALLY BEING PAVED OVER. IT IS TIME THAT THIS COMMISSION STANDS UP FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY AND NOT GO AFTER EACH OTHER. LET'S WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM.

>> HA CLAY WEST CITY SAINT AUGUSTINE. THE MOTION SHOULD BE VOTED DOWN. THE MOTION SHOULD BE VOTED DOWN. THERE IS NOT TOO MANY OF THE PUBLIC LEFT AND I'M SPEAKING TO THE PEOPLE WHO MAY STREAM THIS LATER ON. I AM GLAD THAT THE STUDENTS ARE HERE. WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN OUR NATION BUT WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTY. HERE WE ARE TODAY HONORING MR. WALDRON. I WONDER WHAT HE WOULD DO IF HE WAS HERE? I WONDER WHAT HE WOULD DO. SO, WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE AND YOU CAN EITHER GO ALONG OR STAND UP WITH THIS NATION AND WHAT IT STANDS FOR AND VOTE THIS THING DOWN. IT IS TOO BAD THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN'T MAKE THESE COMMENTS IN THE SET UP THAT YOU DO AT THE VERY END WHEN MOST PEOPLE ARE GONE. THEY DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAND UP AND SPEAK. THIS IS SO WRONG. YOU JUST HEAR THINGS AND LISTEN TO THINGS AND I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S HAPPENING.

WELL, PRAYING FOR ISRAEL IS ONE THING. WE NEED TO KEEP ON PRAYING FOR THIS COUNTY. WE ARE BEING DESTROYED. THESE STUDENTS ARE GOING TO LIVE IN WHAT WE ARE CREATING AND TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, I AM GLAD THAT I AM YOUNG AS I AM.

>> I AM SUSAN MILLER AGAIN AND I WANT TO SAY THIS IS ONLY MY SECOND MEETING HERE AND I AM STUNNED AT WHAT I JUST HEARD.

I AM STUNNED THAT YOU WOULD TAKE THE COMMISSIONER THAT WAS LAWFULLY ELECTED AND DECIDE THAT SHE DOESN'T VOTE WITH YOU.

WELL, LET'S ADD TO THAT. WE ARE THE VOTERS, SHE WAS VOTED

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I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS AND IT'S SICKENING TO SEE THE NUMBER OF TREES CUT DOWNTHAT YOU ARE JUST ALLOWING. YOU'RE JUST LINING YOUR POCKET WITH CASH. IT IS TIME TO END. I AM

STUNNED. >> AND TAYLOR, ADDRESS]. I HAVE TO BE HONEST I CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT WE ARE WITNESSING TODAY AS THE MOTHER OF TWO TEENAGE BOYS JUST SUCH A DISAPPOINTMENT TODAY. IT IS ONE THING TO DISAGREE WITH SOMEONE BUT TO DO -THERE'S NO REASON FOR THAT AND TO THINK THAT OUR TAX DOLLARSWILL BE WASTED ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS EVEN MORE DISHEARTENING. WITH ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THE COUNTY NEEDS AND HAS MONEY TO SPEND ON, I THINK WE HAD A GREAT EXAMPLE EARLIER OF ALL THE MONEY THAT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN WASTED AND WHY WOULD WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT? IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION BUT THIS IS JUST A WHOLE OTHER LEVEL SLIDE PLEASE BEG THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT YOU ARE DOING. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS?

>> MA'AM ARE YOU HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAIL? WE HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THAT ITEM AND WE ARE INTO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AND WE ARE DISCUSSING ANOTHER OPTION. YOU WILL HAVE

TO COME BACK THE NEXT MEETING. >> WE CAN'T?

>> I'M SORRY WE ARE ON TO A DIFFERENT ITEM.

>> I AM SO SORRY YOU WILL HAVE TO COME BACK NEXT MEETING.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING COMMISSIONER DEAN'S MOTION? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> MY SON DIED FOR OUR RIGHTS. THE FIRST AMENDMENT PROVIDES CONGRESS MAKE NO LAW RESPECT THINK AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION OR PROHIBITING IT'S FREE EXERCISE. IT PROTECTS FREEDOM OF SPEECH THE PRESS AND THE RIGHT TO SUSPEND GOVERNMENT FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES AND I STAND BY THAT. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THINGS ARE BEING SAID WITHOUT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT OF WHAT THE MOTION IS ABOUT. WE HAD A COMMISSIONER WHO NOT ONLY VIOLATED BOARD RULES BUT MAY HAVE VIOLATED STATE STATUTE.

SO THERE'S NO CENSURE BASED ON A DISAGREEMENT. I VOTED A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT OUT. SOME ABOUT SOMEONE DISAGREEING WITH AN AGENDA ITEM. I THINK THE MOTION WAS ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT A LAW POSSIBLY BEING VIOLATED AND CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG BUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT DOES NOT JIVE WITH THE MOTION THAT YOU

MADE. >> I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS.

>> IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW, THE ELECTION LAW AND IT IS THERE. ANYBODY CAN LOOK AT IT. IT SECTION 103.1 FOUR TO STATUTE AND THAT'S WHAT I LOOKED AT AND IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT IN A PUBLIC MEETING IT COMMISSIONER CANNOT MAKE A POLITICAL SPEECH SUPPORTING CANDIDATE AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

>> MS. TAYLOR, PLEASE SIT DOWN .

>> AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT SINCE NOVEMBER 21 BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER I MADE THE POINT AT THAT MEETING THAT I DID NOT THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE AND I WAS CLEAR. I WENT BACK IN A RESEARCHED IT.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT PERSONALITIES NOT ABOUT PAST BOATS OR FUTURE VOTE, IT IS ABOUT IN MY OPINION IT MAY BE A VIOLATION OF STATE

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DISCREPANCY THE. >> MADAM CHAIR IF I COULD FINISH MY THOUGHT THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE WHO PERPETUALLY VIOLATE THE RULES AND THOSE ARE PPEOPLE WHO NEVER WANT THE CONSEQUENCES FOR VIOLATING THE RULES AND WHAT COUNTRY ALLOWS THIS TO HAPPEN? IT'S NOT A PLACE I WANT TO LIVE. THERE CONSEQUENCES WHEN YOU MAKE LAWS AND RULES AND NOBODY IS IMMUNE FROM THAT. NO ONE OF US IS IMMUNE FROM THAT AND IF YOU ALLOW IT TO CONTINUE ONLY INVITE MORE OF THAT BEHAVIOR.

SO EVERYBODY IN THE AUDITORIUM UNDERSTANDS. IF YOU SPEED OR GET PULLED OVER BY SHERIFF'S DEPUTY THAT'S A RULE THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY. THERE'S BOARD RULES THAT YOU HAVE TO

MAINTAIN. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THE. THEN HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR COMMISSIONER DEAN THIS IS NOT ABOUT PERSONALITIES OR DISAGREEMENT OR EVEN POLITICS. THIS IS ABOUT THE LAW AND THAT IS THE CONCERN AND A MATTER WHICH SIDE OF THE AISLE YOU FALL ON AT A VERY BASIC LEVEL WE ARE VOTED ON THE PEOPLE TO UPHOLD THE LAW AND I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION A MORAL OBLIGATION AND ETHICAL OBLIGATION EVEN IF IT IS ONE OF US NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW WE HAVE TO STAND UP AND THAT'S WHAT OUR CONSTITUENTS ELECTED US TO DO. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH I CAN SEE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?

>> YES, PLEASE MA'AM. CAN I? I DO HAVE WHAT I WROTE AND ACTUALLY CALLED ED SLAVEN AND MADE SURE THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IN THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS WERE RUNNING. I DID SAY ON THE VIDEO THAT I READ IT RIGHT OFF OF THE WEBSITE. I'VE GOT IT ALL WRITTEN DOWN AND I HAVE TONS OF PROOF AND I ACTUALLY DID PASS THIS BY MY ATTORNEY SO I DO HAVE ONE. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER ROY ALAIMA WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD?

>> I HEARD YOUR COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER DEAN AND I THINK YOU MADE SOME GOOD POINTS AND WE ENCOURAGE WHAT WE TOLERATE.

AND SO, WE'VE ALL GOT TO FOLLOW THE RULES WE ALL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND I THINK YOU ALL MADE SOME GREAT POINTS WITH

THAT. >> OKAY. WITH THAT WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. WE HAVE A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. THAT MOTION TO CENSURE PASSES 4-1. OKAY. I GUESS NOW WE WILL GO

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ON THE RECORD. >> WE FULLY UNDERSTOOD IT HERE

AND THE CLERK OF COURT IS ALSO TAKING A FEW MINUTES. >> I HAVE NO REPORT AT THIS POINT I'M GOING TO GO TO COUNTY

ADMINISTRATION. >> NINE.

>> MR. MEGAN? >> I DO HAVE TWO ITEMS. ONE IS THE COUNTY CANVASSING BOARD WILL BE MEETING NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THERE ARE ELECTIONS AND BY LAW IT IS COMPOSED OF A COUNTY COURT JUDGE THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION AND THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BUT WE ALSO NEED TO APPOINT AN ALTERNATE MEMBER UNDER THE LAW. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ELECTIONS THAT NEED AN ALTERNATE TO BE APPOINTED.

ONE WOULD BE THE PRESIDENTIAL PRESSED SLEEP PRIMARY ON MARCH 19 AND THE OTHER WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF THE GENERAL PRIMARY AUGUST 20 NEXT YEAR AND THE GENERAL ELECTION NOVEMBER 5. ANY OF THE OTHER FOUR COMMISSIONERS CAN SERVE AS AN ALTERNATE IF THEY DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT WHICH WOULD BE IF THEY ARE EITHER RUNNING IN A RACE OR IF THEY ARE ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING EITHER BY BEING A MEMBER OF AN ELECTION OR REELECTION COMMITTEE FOR CANDIDATE GIVING PUBLIC ENDORSEMENT WITH OR WITHOUT FINANCIAL SUPPORT OF THE CANDIDATE . HOLDING CAMPAIGN SIGNS WEARING A CAMPAIGN T-SHIRT OR OTHER DISPLAY OR SUPPORT OF A CANDIDATE, SIGNED ENDORSEMENT CARTS FOR CANDIDATE ATTENDED A FUNDRAISER FOR CANDIDATE OR FINALLY CHEERING OR COCHAIRING AN ONGOING ELECTION FUNDRAISER. MADAM CHAIR UNDER THE STATUTE IT IS YOUR CHOICE ON WHO TO APPOINT AS THE ALTERNATE. BUT BY DISCUSSING IN THE SUNSHINE WE CAN FIND OUT IF THERE ARE ANY

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>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME WHY ALL FOUR ARE

DISQUALIFIED? >> SURE. OTHERS AND THIS IS PART OF THE SUNSHINE RIGHT NOW IF ANYONE WANTS TO ENDORSE A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE OR TAKE ANOTHER ACTION THEY WOULD ALSO BE DISQUALIFIED FROM THE PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE PRIMARY. AS FAR AS THE PRIMARY IN GENERAL IN THE FALL THREE OF THE COMMISSIONERS INTENDS TO RUN FOR REELECTION AND THAT WOULD DISQUALIFY THEM. I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AND SHE INFORMED ME -

>> I AM SORRY I AM PROBABLY NOT GOING TO DO THAT. I AM

GOING TO ENDORSE A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. >> OKAY IN TERMS OF THE PRIMARY AND GENERAL ELECTION IN THE FALL YOU ARE GOING TO ENDORSE CANDIDATES AS WELL? SO THAT IS WHY NONE OF THE OTHER FOUR CAN SERVE AS AN ALTERNATE FOR THE PRIMARY ELECTION IN THE FALL BECAUSE OF THOSE CONFLICTS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE PERSON WHO IS UNABLE TO SERVE AS AN ALTERNATE TO THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY.

>> OKAY. I, MYSELF, WILL OBVIOUSLY UPHOLD THE TWO THAT TO SERVE ON BOTH OF THOSE BOARDS. I AM DISAPPOINTED BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY COMMISSIONER JOSEPH IS ELECTING NOT TO SERVE ON THE BOARD. FOR THE GENERAL AND NOT PRESIDENTIAL BUT I WILL GO AHEAD AND THEREFORE APPOINT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST IF HE'S WILLING FOR PRESIDENTIAL AND DIRECT YOU TO THE CIRCUIT JUDGE TO APPROVE AN ALTERNATE. AS LONG AS HE AGREES.

>> MADAM CHAIR I'M NOT GOING TO PUT POLITICS ON IT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SERVE ON THE CANVASSING BOARD. SO YES I

WILL DO IT. >> THANK YOU WHITEHURST.

>> THAT IS YOUR AUTHORITY UNDER STATUTES AND NO MOTION IS NECESSARY. I ALSO WANT TO BRING ONE OTHER THING UP. WE HAVE RULES AND POLICIES THAT PROHIBIT CAMPAIGN IN COUNTY BUILDINGS AND CURRENTLY THOSE PROHIBITIONS ARE LOCATED IN CERTAIN DOCUMENTS. FOR CLARITY I WOULD LIKE TO SYNTHESIZE THIS LANGUAGE INTO A CIVIL DOCUMENT FOR EASE OF REFERENCE AND THEREFORE I AM ASKING FOR BOARD CONSENSUS AUTHORIZATION TO BRING

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.