Nov 16, 2023 Planning and Zoning Agency

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GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 1:31, PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

MR. PETER, WILL YOU READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT?

>> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF THE FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIGNED TO SPEAK CAN DO SO BY FILLING OUT A CARD AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER. YOU CAN SPEAK AT A TIME DURING EACH ITEM FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT IS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES , WHO THEY REPRESENT AND SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY, IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED UNTRUTHFUL . IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED IN THE HEARING, SUCH PERSONAL RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE A BETA RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE WHICH INCLUDES TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE ON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, WITNESS STATEMENTS, SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE CLERK . THE RECORD WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER AGENCY, COMMITTEE OR THE COUNTY TO RENEW AN APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM. AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAD ANY COMMITTEE

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SUCH MEDICATION HAS OCCURRED AND AN AGENCY NEVER SHOULD IDENTIFY THE MATERIAL CONTENT . THE CIVILITY CLAUSE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE AND DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES, WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

>> ALL RIGHT AT THIS TIME WE WILL HAVE A COMMENT , THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON OR OFF THE AGENDA. WE WILL GET TO EACH ITEM AND YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY DURING THAT ITEM TO SPEAK ON THE AGENDA ITEM. THIS TIME IS FOR YOU TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON. GO AHEAD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD. >> JOE MCINTYRE 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE. I SENT AN EMAIL TO EACH OF YOU THIS WEEK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER NINE TODAY WHICH IS TO CONSIDER THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPOINTMENTS TO THE TWO OPEN SEATS. THIS IS A GOOD BOARD AND THE BOARD HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF PRESENTING BALANCE POINTS OF VIEWS AND I THINK THEY APPRECIATE HAVING THIS BOARD LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF ALL ISSUES AND RECEIVING THAT INFORMATION. MY RECOMMENDATION , MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT TO BEST QUALIFIED CANDIDATES TO RECOMMEND , DR. RICHARD HILSON AND -- ARE ON THE LIST AND WE HAVE A GREAT LIST BUT THIS BOARD HAS BEEN A GOOD JOB AT REPRESENTING BALANCED VIEWS EDITING FOR THE BOARD TO CONTINUE THEY WOULD BE A GOOD THING AND IN MY OPINION THE BEST THING. I HOPE YOU WILL EITHER NOMINATE OR SECOND THE NOMINATION OF AND CERTAINLY VOTE FOR BOTH MS. BURKE AND DR. HILSON.

>> THANK YOU, WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMON AT THIS TIME.

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YOU. >> COLONEL RETIRED DOUGLAS, 620 ARBOR PARKWAY AND I'M HERE TO TALK ON NUMBER SIX ON THE AGENDA TODAY WHICH IS THE HERITAGE PARK RENTAL TOWNHOME CONSTRUCTION AND I WANTED TO SAY REALLY QUICK THAT FOR ME PERSONALLY I THINK I HAVE A LOT OF HERITAGE PARK RESIDENTS THAT WOULD AGREE WITH ME. I AM A RETIRED COLONEL AND I'VE LIVED IN 14 STATES NOT COUNTING MY COMBAT DEPLOYMENTS. WHEN I MOVED EURO SENT TO BE THE INSPECTOR GENERAL FOR THE FLORIDA NATIONAL GUARD, MY WIFE AND I RESEARCHED WHERE HE WANTED TO LIVE AND SETTLE PERMANENTLY WITHOUT THE ARMY MOVING US EVERYWHERE AND I'VE LIVED A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, 14 STATES AND WE CAREFULLY RESEARCHED HERITAGE PARK.

GREAT COMMUNITY WITH THE EXPECTATIONS THAT IT WOULD BE GENERALLY SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, RETIREES OR PEOPLE WITH FAMILY SIMILAR TO OURS , NOT SINCERELY RENTAL HOMES OR APARTMENTS OR TOWNHOME TYPE OF COMMUNITY. SO, I SOMEWHAT FEEL AS IF WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR HOUSE IT WAS LIKE BY THE WAY, THERE IS STILL A DOCKET OF LAND THAT IS OWNED THAT WE WILL BUILD RENTAL HOMES ON IT AND IT FEELS LIKE FINALLY NOT HAVING TO MOVE AGAIN AND THIS CAN CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESEARCH THAT SHOWS THE MEDIAN AGE FOR MARRIED COUPLES WITH KIDS IS OLDER THAN 30 AND RENTAL HOMES ARE YOUNGER THAN 30, GENERALLY RENTAL TOWNHOMES

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YOU. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL MOVE ON -- PLEASE HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE, THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER ONE. DO ANY AGENCY MEMBERS --

WITH BEAGLE? >>

THE SITE . ANYBODY ELSE? >> THANK YOU. BRAD WESTER, ONE INDEPENDENT DRIVE JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA REPRESENTING THE OWNERS . THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A ZONING VARIANCE, IT IS CALLED THE COMMUNITY CENTER AT 236 NORTH ROSCOE IN PARK VALLEY AND I HAVE MY 14 YEAR, THE OWNER IS HERE AS WELL AS MY ARCHITECT , MY CIVIL ENGINEER AND MY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. ALSO POINT TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WILL BE REVERSE INCLUSION CENTER THAT PROVIDES DAYTIME PROGRAMS VOCATIONAL TYPE WORK IN HIGHER EDUCATION . IT PROVIDES A SENSE OF BELONGING, DIGNITY AND RESPECT FOR ADULTS WITH DYSFUNCTIONAL DISABILITIES. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR ZONING VARIANCE ON TWO MATTERS, TO FRAME THIS, WE HAVE GOT A RE-PURPOSE OF TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY, ONE IS A REQUEST FOR ONE OF THE STRUCTURES AND ONE IS FOR THE OTHER. A VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL REQUEST. HERE IS THE LOCATION IN PALM VALLEY , YOU SEAT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE AND HERE'S THE AERIAL , WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS AS WE NEED. TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY THERE NOW. ZONING IS OPEN RURAL AND OUR DATA CHART , WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT AS WELL, THIS ALSO INCLUDES THE SITE PLAN BUT I ALSO HAVE A BETTER SITE PLAN THAT I CAN GO INTO EXPLANATION ON. THIS IS THE COMMUNITY CENTER SITE PLAN.

YOU SEE THOSE TWO LINES, THE RIGHT IS A 20 FOOT BUFFER LINE AND THE PURPLE IS A 30 FOOT SETBACK LINE FOR ITEMS BECAUSE WE ARE DEALING WITH TWO DIFFERENT CODES, THE PLANNING CODE IN THE PALM VALLEY CODE. SO, THE PURPLE AGAIN, 30 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK LINE AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE IS AN EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE THAT WE WILL RE-PURPOSE AND THE RED IS A 20 FOOT BUFFER LINE. GOING FROM AN O.R. USE WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY RESIDENTIAL, FOR RESIDENTIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL USE. A CLOSER VIEW OF THOSE SAME SETBACKS AND DEVIATION OR VARIANCE REQUEST SHOW THEM IN CONTEXT CLOSER TO THE BUFFER AREAS. WHAT I HAVE DONE IS TO HIGHLIGHT ESSENTIALLY WHERE THOSE REQUEST CZAR. I HOPE THAT

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ALL OF THESE TREES WILL REMAIN IN THE BUFFER AREA AND HERE ADDING OVER 1000 COMBINED TREES AND SHRUBS TO THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE PALM VALLEY DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS. YES? 1000, THAT IS A LOT. HERE'S OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN. YOU SEE ALL THE BUFFERING THAT GOES IN HERE AND THIS IS THE REAR PART OF THE PROPERTY. THERE IS AN EXISTING POND THAT WILL BE RE-PURPOSED AS A SMALL POND AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THE TREES THAT WE ADD TO THE PROPERTY ON THE REAR SIDE. THE DEVELOPMENT IS TAKING PLACE IN THE FRONT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ALONG ROSCOE AND HERE IS A CLOSER VIEW OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THE SITE PLAN AND ALSO THIS CROSSHATCH AREA HERE AND HERE AND THE ONE OVER HERE REALLY INDICATING THE REQUEST FOR THE ZONE VARIANCE. THEY ARE ABOUT THE RE-PROPOSING OF THE BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF DEMOING THEM AND REBUILDING ANEW. AND HERE THEY ARE HIGHLIGHTED. HERE'S ARCHITECTURAL PLANS. WE WENT TO THE PALM VALLEY ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER 6TH AND WE GOT APPROVAL FOR THIS. WE BECOME BACK TO THEM FOR OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN AND OUR LIGHTING PLAN .

THIS IS A DAYTIME OPERATION, THE ONLY LIGHTING WILL BE SECURITY LIGHTING FOR THE BUILDING, ALBEIT LIGHTING FOR THE PARKING, IT IS JUST A DAYTIME OPERATION COMMUNITY CENTER FOR LOW FUNCTIONING ADULTS. THE PALM VALLEY OVERLAY LANDSCAPE SCREENING STANDARD WILL BE MET, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A 10 FOOT DRIVEWAY ENCROACHMENT, NO LESS THAN 10% PERIMETER BUFFER WILL REMAIN ADJACENT TO THE DRIVEWAY LOOP IN THE PROPERTY LINES. THE 30 FOOT ENCROACHMENT VARIANCE ONLY APPLIES TO ONE EXISTING STRUCTURE IN 1977 STRUCTURE THAT WE INTEND TO RE-PURPOSE. ALL OF THE BUILDINGS EXISTING AND PROPOSED WILL COMPLY WITH THE RULES.

THE DRIVEWAY LOOP DISTANCE FROM THE HOUSE AND THE WEIGHT CAPACITY AND THE SIZE AND WIDTH OF IT IS REQUIRED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL FOR SEPARATION IN THE PROPOSED COMMUNITY CENTER IS A LOW INTENSITY USE WHICH ONE HEIGHTEN THE VISUAL CHARACTER OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND WILL BE READ AS A RESIDENTIAL SCALE AND CHARACTER WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE A.R.C. IN COLORATION AND LIKENESS OF MATERIALS. IN COMBINATION WITH THE TREES AND PROPOSE LANDSCAPING WE HOPE TO MITIGATE IMPACTS. THE CODE REQUIRED A 30 FOOT SETBACK OF AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AS OTHERWISE TYPICALLY GRANDFATHERED IN NOT ALLOWING A PORTION OF THE DRIVEWAY WITHIN 20 FEET OF THE DRIVEWAY IMPOSES A HARDSHIP TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURES AND ALL OTHER PERIMETER BUFFERS AND VISUAL SCREENING ELEMENTS CAN BE MET FOR THE STRICT PALM VALLEY REQUIREMENTS TO MITIGATE ADJACENT TO SEE ELEMENTS . WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO HER NEIGHBORS AND EVEN AS OF YESTERDAY I'VE HAD CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET AND THE NEAREST PROPERTY OWNER IN SAWGRASS WHICH IS BEHIND US , BEHIND A POWER LINE EASEMENT , A POWER POND AND THEIR BIG BUFFER , I REACHED OUT TO THEM AND THEY HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THIS. OTHER THAN THAT THERE IS NO OPPOSITION TO THIS. I AM HERE AND MY TEAM IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> YOU MENTIONED DAYTIME OPERATION , IS IT A SET DAVE

WITH A WEEK? >> MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND IT IS FOR LOW FUNCTIONING ADULTS, AUTISTIC AND THE

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>> OKAY. >> I LIKE YOU HAVE A THOROUGH SITE PLAN. LET ME ASK YOU THIS , IS THIS MORE OF A CHURCH THAN A COMMUNITY CENTER? THE SECOND PARAGRAPH ON YOUR FIRST SLIDE MADE IT SEEM MORE LIKE A CHURCH.

>> IT IS NOT A CHURCH I WILL STATE THAT ON THE RECORD, BUT IT IS A RELIGIOUS-BASED CARE FACILITY AND IT IS A COMMUNITY CENTER BUT FOR LOW FUNCTIONING ADULTS. THEY DESERVE A PLACE, AS A MATTER FACT SOME OF THE CORRESPONDENCE WE HAD , THE FOLKS THAT WE WERE TEARING DOWN ALL THE TREES ON THE PROPERTY AND THE PRIVACY AND THE CAMPUS ENVIRONMENT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE WE ARE EXCEEDING THE CODE REQUIREMENTS THAN OTHERS THAT I'VE SHARED ALL THAT INFORMATION WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THEY ARE OKAY WITH EVERYTHING. A GOOD, NURTURING CAMPUS LIKE THIS IS A PERFECT ENVIRONMENT FOR THE OPERATIONS BUT IT IS A RELIGIOUS, GOD CENTERED ORGANIZATION BUT IT IS NOT A CHURCH.

>> SO THERE IS A DEMONSTRABLE NEED FOR THIS FACILITY?

>> YES. >> OKAY, CAN YOU ELABORATE.

THAT WAS A GOOD ANSWER. >> ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE A WAITING LIST AND IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT THAT IS EXTREMELY UNDERFUNDED AND UNDER FACILITATED FOR THIS TYPE OF

ORGANIZATION . >> HE SAID THERE WAS A POWER LINE THAT RAN ALONG THE BACK --

>> PART OF SAWGRASS. >> YOU SET A SERVICE ROAD. BUT A ROAD? BUT I LIKE THAT YOU HAVE AN 80 FOOT BUFFER AS WELL.

THOSE TREES WILL REMAIN RIGHT THERE. NONE OF THAT IS BEING

TORN DOWN. >> THAT IS GREAT. I'M GLAD PALM VALLEY ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE DID APPROVE THIS BUT YOU SAID YOU HAVE TO GO BACK FOR THE LIGHTING IN THE LANDSCAPING AND THE FENCING? YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF A WALL OR A FENCE AND JUST REPORT BACK TO THEM ON THAT AS WELL? EXCEPT FOR THE LANDSCAPE AND LIGHTING PLAN. BECAUSE WE DEFER TO THE CODE ON THAT AND WE HAD CODE CITATIONS IN THE A.R.C.

REVIEW AND THEY WANT TO ACTUALLY SEE AND HOW IT LOOKS PERFORMING AND FUNCTIONING. AND THAT IS WHAT WE WILL PROVIDE IN

OUR SECOND APPROVAL. >> OKAY.

>> WE DID PUT THE CODE CITATIONS THAT WE ARE MEETING THE CODE AND NOT DEVIATING FROM THAT. THE FENCE IS AN INTERESTING TOPIC BECAUSE THE CODE REQUIRE AN EIGHT FOOT WALL , HARD EDGE WALL WERE -- OR OFFENSE INCLUDING LANDSCAPING AND WE HAVE CHOSEN TO DO A NICE, DECORATIVE FENCE, BLACK ALUMINUM FENCE BUT WITH EXTREMELY HEAVY VEGETATION SCREENING ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE TREES THAT WILL REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY. THAT GIVES IT OPACITY IN THE SCREENING THAT IT NEEDS. WITHOUT THE HARD EDGE, EIGHT FOOT WALL WAS A BIT MUCH ESPECIALLY FOR THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE IT IS NOT A PRISON, WE WANTED TO BE A WELCOMING AND BEAUTIFUL FACILITY.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE VERY WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU, THAT WAS VERY WELL PRESENTED . THERE'S NOT A LOT ABOUT THIS THAT I DO NOT LIKE. I APPRECIATE THE DESIGN, IT IS THOUGHTFUL, THOUGHTFUL OF THE NEIGHBORS AND THE PEOPLE YOU ARE TRYING TO SERVE AND I APPRECIATE YOU AFFORDING THE HONOR AND DIGNITY TO THIS UNDERSERVED PORTION OF OUR CULTURE, THIS IS PART OF OUR WORLD RIGHT NOW AND UNDER GOD TOO, I LOVE THAT. THAT IS WONDERFUL , I LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY IS ROUNDED AND I THINK IT WILL BE NICE AND SERVE A NEED THAT WE MIGHT NOT GET OTHERWISE THAT I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM AT ALL WITH THESE VARIANCES.

>> THANK YOU. I WILL ADD THIS , THIS WILL BE A RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER, WHEN YOU DRIVE BY IT WILL FEEL LIKE A RESIDENCE. A LOT OF RESIDENCES ON PALM VALLEY ARE GATED IN HIS LOVE ORNAMENTAL, BEAUTIFUL BLACK ALUMINUM FENCE GATE AND THERE IS NO SIGNAGE. THERE IS NONE NEEDED. THIS IS WORD-OF-MOUTH, REFERENCE ONLY AND THERE IS NO NEED FOR PASSERBY CAPTURE WITH THE SIGN. THERE WILL BE BUILDING SIGNAGE , YOU KNOW, ADMIN OFFICE, RIGHT ON THE DOOR BUT NO COMMERCIAL SIGNS WITH

THIS REQUEST WHATSOEVER. >> MR. PETER?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT OCCUPANCY. WHAT YOU PROJECT OF

THE POPULATION? >> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

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20 BASED ON PROPOSED USES . >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE? I AM SEEING THEM, WE WILL ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, IS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ITEM ONE? IF SO, PLEASE, COME ON UP. NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> KURT, 220 ROSCOE BOULEVARD AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK AS A CONCERNED NEIGHBOR. YES, AS A CONCERNED NEIGHBOR , NOT AGAINST THE USE I THINK IT IS A NOBLE USE AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. IN 2020 JUST DOWN THE ROAD I PURCHASED MY LOT AND BUILT AND DID MY DUE DILIGENCE AND RECEIVED ZONING VERIFICATION FROM THE COUNTING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I AM ZONED O.R. , FUTURE LAND USE MAP, RESIDENTIAL A , THE LETTER WAS FACTUALLY CORRECT IT JUST LEFT OUT A LOT OF INFORMATION , THIS COULD BE MY NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR. THIS IS CALLED AN INCOMPATIBLE USE AND THERE IS A REASON FOR THESE BUFFERS. MY CONCERN, IS THIS PROJECT IN MANY DOWN THE ROAD COMING UP IN THE FUTURE ALONG ROSCOE BOULEVARD, MANY ARE BEING PURCHASED AND CONVERGED INTO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

ALL TO PROTECT US WITH A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE AND QUITE AN INVESTMENT OF HIS OWN REGULATIONS. THESE BUFFERS FOR INCOMPATIBLE USES ARE ALL WE HAVE TO RELY ON TO NOT HAVE A PARKING LOT IN OUR FRONT OR BACKYARD. WHILE I AM FINE WITH THE USE, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT AN ENTITY PURCHASING A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY , SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES , INCLUDING FUTURE LAND USE MAPS AND WALKING IN HERE AND SAYING, I JUST PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FOR HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USE AND ANY VARIANCE, OKAY? DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AHEAD OF TIME, GET YOUR VARIANCES AHEAD OF TIME BEFORE YOU CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY. MY CONCERN IS THIS VARIANCE IN FUTURE VARIANCES FOR ALL RESIDENCES , I DON'T BELIEVE THE FEASIBILITY OF THE PROJECT HINDERS ON VARIANCES.

WE'VE GOT TWO LANE DRIVEWAYS ON EACH SIDE RIGHT NOW. THIS IS ALL RESIDENTIAL USE AROUND THIS PROPERTY. I AM NOT AGAINST THIS USE I'M JUST ABOUT THIS VARIANCE AND MANY OTHER VARIANCES THAT WILL BE REQUESTED IN THE FUTURE. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE DO HAVE CONCERNS .

>> CINDY JACOB AND I'M THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET 235 NORTH ROSCOE . THIS GENTLEMAN SAID HE SPOKE TO THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET AND I DID CALL THE COUNTY WHEN I GOT THE LETTER FROM YOU AND THE LETTER THAT YOU GUYS SENT WAS NOT ANY OF THIS. I GOT A LITTLE DIAGRAM OF WHAT THE PROPERTY LINE WAS. I HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BEING BUILT THERE.

THE OWNER DID COME OVER A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO OR A MONTH AGO AND SAID THEY WOULD BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND SOUNDED VERY NICE, IT IS A GOOD IDEA FOR THESE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT WILL NEED HELP OVER THERE. THE PARKING LOT SCARES ME. I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS AND IT SHOWS A PROPERTY LIKE MY DRIVEWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE SKEWED A LITTLE BIT FROM THAT DRIVEWAY, I WILL LOOK AT NOTHING BUT A PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET. I WOULD PREFER THAT THEY PUT HIGHER

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IN FRONT OF THAT AREA. OKAY. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER ONE? I AM SEEING NONE. MR.

WHITEHURST ? >> APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORS COMING OUT AND IT WAS STATED ON THE RECORD THAT WE DID ENGAGED 235 AND I SPOKE TO 237 YESTERDAY AND THE OWNER DID SPEAK TO THE RESIDENCE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AND AT THE TIME THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. THE PARKING LOT IN THE BUILDING AND THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS ARE ALL ALLOWED BY RIGHT. EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE USE AND THEY ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. WE ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE RE-PURPOSE OF TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS. WE ARE ADDING OVER 1000 TREES , EXTREMELY DENSE LANDSCAPING AND VEGETATION AS PART OF THE OVERLAND WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR A WAIVER FROM THAT. USES ALLOWED BY RIGHT, WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO PICK UP A 2000 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE AND MOVE IT 15 FEET AND THE OTHER ONE IS TO ADHERE TO THE FIRE MARSHAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DRIVEWAY BOTH IN WIDTH AND SEPARATION OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. THE USE ITSELF IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT GREAT , WE ARE NOT A COMMERCIAL ENTITY IT IS A CULTURAL INSTITUTION ENTITY. BUT ANYTHING -- ANTENNAE GO FROM RESIDENTIAL TO ANYTHING THAT IS NOT RESIDENTIAL IS CALLED AN INCOMPATIBLE BUFFER AND THAT JUST MEANS YOU HAVE TO GO AND ADHERE TO MORE STRICT STANDARDS FOR SCREENING, BUFFERING BUT WE WILL WORK WITH ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS AND WE HAVE SHOWN THAT SINCE DAY ONE. I THINK WE HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENCE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FOR ANYTHING THAT THEY NEED AS FAR AS VISUAL SCREENING, LANDSCAPING BUT AS FAR AS LIGHTING, THERE WILL BE NO COMMERCIAL LIGHTING ON THIS PROPERTY. IT IS A DAYTIME OPERATION. IN THE EVENING AND US, MAYBE DAYLIGHT SAVINGS THERE MIGHT BE TIMES WHEN PARENTS AND CAREGIVERS ARE PICKING THEM UP AND IT MIGHT BE DARK AND IT WILL NOT BE COMMERCIAL LIGHTING FOR THE PARKING LOT, IT WILL BE AMBIENT LIGHTING, SECURITY LIGHTING, SOME NICE AMBIENT LIGHTING UP AROUND THE BUILDINGS AND THAT IS IT. THEY WILL NOT BE AGLOW COMPARED TO OTHER AREAS ALONG ROSCOE THAT ARE ACTUALLY COMMERCIALIZED. BUT I NEEDED TO REPLY TO THAT AND YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IS A VERY LOW INTENSE USE, EXTREMELY LOW AND TRAFFIC IS NOT AN ISSUE. THE REASON THE PARKING LOT IS LIKE THAT, IS SO WE DON'T HAVE A BACKUP IN ROSCOE. THEY CAN PULL INTO THE PARKING LOT . WE UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THAT THE CUEING LANES ARE NON-EXISTENT ON ROSCOE , IT IS A TIGHT ROADWAY BUT THERE WAS NO COMMENTS FROM STAFF , MANAGEMENT, TECHNICAL OR TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE B COMMENTED ON OUR PROPERTY ITSELF. WHICH IS LESS OF A BURDEN ON COUNTY AND THE STRUCTURE. AND I'M HERE TO

ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> BRAD, IS IT POSSIBLE YOU COULD MOVE SAY EIGHT PARKING SPACES FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK? DOWN BACK BY THE POND ARE CLOSER TO THE POND?

>> IS IT POSSIBLE? YES. BUT I'VE ALREADY WORKED THROUGH SOME OF THE DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS ON THIS AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IF IT IS SO MUCH THE PARKING IS AN ISSUE IT IS THE SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AND AS WE PRESENTED THERE WILL BE A HEAVY VEGETATIVE BUFFER ALL AROUND THE PROPERTY AND IT WILL HAVE A RESIDENTIAL FEEL. CAN YOU MOVE UP TO POTENTIAL HE FOUR SPACES

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>> IF YOU LIVED ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT, WOULD YOU WANT TO LOOK THROUGH THE GATE? I KNOW YOU WILL HAVE A LOT OF LANDSCAPING BUT YOU CANNOT LANDSCAPE THE ACTUAL GAIT, SOMEBODY ACROSS THE STREET CAN LOOK RIGHT TO THE GATE , I WISH YOU COULD MOVE EIGHT OF THOSE FRONT FORWARD TOWARD ROSCOE BOULEVARD , TOWARD THE BACK AND JOIN THOSE OTHER PARKING SPACES ON THE SOUTH SIDE. I WISH YOU COULD DO THAT. OR CONSIDER THAT. ALSO HOW MANY CLIENTS OR PARTICIPANTS DO YOU EXPECT TO BE SERVICED BY THIS FACILITY AT ANY ONE TIME? AT

ANY TIME OF DAY? >> INITIALLY WE HAVE EIGHT.

THE SHORT TERM. WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR -- WE HAVE EIGHT BUT POTENTIALLY UP TO 20. AGAIN, A LOW INTENSE USE. THE PEAK HOUR TIMES IN THIS CASE ARE DROPPING OFF, 8:00 TO 5:00 OPERATIONS BUT FOLKS MAY DROP OFF AT 7:30 AND PICK UP AT 6:00. BUT IT IS A VERY LOW INTENSE USE AND THERE IS NO TRAFFIC ISSUES AND THAT IS WHY WE DESIGNED THE PARKING LOT THAT WAY SO FOLKS CAN GET IN, TURN AROUND, THEY MAY NOT EVEN NEED TO GO TO THE FENCE BUT THE GATE ITSELF, THE CODE REQUIRES US TO HAVE A MUCH HIGHER FENCE IN THE FRONT BUT WE CHOSE THIS FENCE BECAUSE OF THE BEAUTY OF IT AND IT WOULD NOT BE UGLY TO

LOOK AT. >> OKAY. JUST INFORMATION FOR PEOPLE WITH CONCERNS, WE HAD AN ITEM TWO WEEKS AGO HERE ABOUT A LARGE GAIT ON A LITTLE ROAD RIGHT OFF OF ROSCOE AND THE WOMAN WANTED IT AS CLOSE TO THE ROAD AS POSSIBLE AND SOMEBODY ASKED KENNY MOVE THE GATE FORWARD WHICH REQUIRED ANOTHER VARIANCE. YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR GATE BACK WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE. BUT I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF GATES THAT ARE RIGHT UP CLOSE TO THE ROAD.

>> THERE ARE. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'VE DONE THIS A LONG TIME AND I PREFER TO MEET AND VETTED THIS WITH NEIGHBORS , ANY CONCERNS OR ANYTHING THEY HAVE . NOW WE ARE VETTING THIS IN A PUBLIC FORM AND THERE'S A LOT TO DO IN HIS AGENDA AND I RESPECT THEIR REQUESTS. IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM. WE HAVE DESIGNED THIS AND IT WORKS. TECHNICAL ENGINEERING, MANAGEMENT, NOBODY HAD ANY CONCERNS. I WISH THE RESIDEN WOULD'VE COME TO HIS EARLIER AND WE COULD'VE MAYBE LOOK AT SOMETHING DIFFERENT BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF DESIGN ITERATIONS ON THIS AND AGAIN, THE ONLY REASON WE ARE HERE IS BECAUSE WE ARE RE-PROPOSING TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS, NOT PROPOSED BUT TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS. IF WE DEMO THOSE BUILDINGS AND RE-BILLED BRAND-NEW THAN WE WOULD NOT

EVEN BE HERE. >> GOT IT. BUT I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDINGS, JUST THE PARKING LOT.

>> I UNDERSTAND. WE MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODED OVERLY GREAT I RESPECTFULLY ASKING FOR YOUR

APPROVAL. >> OKAY.

>> THE DRIVEWAYS ARE IDENTICALLY ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER ACCORDING TO THE AERIAL PHOTO .

>> YES. >> OKAY, MY QUESTION WAS

ANSWERED. TWO THINGS. >> BRAD, CAN YOU PULL THE PLAN

? >> SURE.

>> YOU SAID TWICE I BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULD BE 1000 TREES.

948 SHRUBS THAT WE ARE ADDING TO THE EXISTING TREES ON THE

PROPERTY. >> TREES AND SHRUBS.

>> CORRECT, 103 TREES ADDED.

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>> BUT NOT 1000 TREES. >> NO, IT IS COMBINED. 948 SHRUBS WHICH CAN BE CALLED TREES AND THEN 103 TREES. THE CODE REQUIRES 70% BUT WE ARE PROPOSING 89% CANOPY TREES AND YOU SEE THE BUFFERING UP FRONT THAT WE ARE ADDING ALONG THE EDGE OF THE PARKING, IT IS GOING TO BE HEAVILY SCREENED AND THEN WE ARE ADDING LANDSCAPE ISLANDS FOR THE FENCES. -- FENCE IS . THIS MIGHT BE THE MOST STRINGENT LANDSCAPE VALLEY, PALM VALLEY AND WE EXCEEDED.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, BACK FOR A MOTION. MS. SPIEGEL?

>> OKAY. I MOTION TO APPROVE VARIANCE ZONE 203 THREE COMMUNITY CENTER AT BETHEL POINT BASED ON FIVE CONDITIONS AND FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED.

>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> YES. >> ANY DISCUSSIONS?

>> NO. >> BRAD, I WAS 100% FORWARD BEFORE THIS AND I WANTED TO VOTE FOR, UNTIL THE NEIGHBOR SPOKE. I WAS HOPING YOU'D BE REASONABLE, I KNOW WE ARE PAST THE PALM VALLEY A.R.C. AND ALL OF THAT BUT I AM ALL FOR THIS FACILITY AND I THINK YOU DEMONSTRATED THE NEED FOR IT.

BUT I WILL VOTE NO ON IT, I'M SURE IT WILL PASS.

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>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING THEM, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. HOLD ON, ONE SECOND. THAT MOTION PASSES.

>> I WISH I COULD TAKE A PICTURE BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN SEE IT UP THERE. AND YOU, HAVE A GREAT DAY.

>> YOU TOO. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TWO. MS. ALLISON , AND THE AGENCY MEMBER THAT HAS X PARTAKE MEDICATION?

>> YES, I DID GO AND VISIT THE SITE AS WELL .

>> OKAY, GO AHEAD. >> MY NAME IS CRYSTAL ALLISON AND I'M REPRESENTING MYSELF THE OWNER, 615 THIRD STREET.

WE ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE OF 16 FEET IN LIEU OF THE 25 FOOT REQUIRED SETBACK FOR THE FRONT OF OUR HOME. SO, OUR HOME FLOODED WITH IAN AND NICOLE AND PREVIOUS STORMS AS WELL. SORRY -- I AM VERY NERVOUS. WE NEED TO BUILD A DECK AND STAIRS TO BUILD A FRONT ENTRY INTO OUR HOME THE HOME WAS BUILT IN THE '50S AND SO WE SIT RIGHT ON THE SETBACK THAT THE COUNTY REQUIRES . SO, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, OUR DECK AND THE STAIRS HERE AND THIS IS OUR NEIGHBOR'S HOME LED THE VARIANCE APPROVED I THINK IN 2020. AND THESE ARE THE MAPS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THESE. THE SOUR SITE PLAN YOU CAN SEE THE BOLD LINE AND THAT IS WHERE THE DECK WILL BE IF WE GET IT APPROVED AND THAT IS WITHOUT THE DECK. IF WE DO NOT GET THE DECK APPROVED THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE A NARROW STAIRWAY GOING DOWN THE SOUTH END OF OUR HOME AND MIGHT KIND OF END IN A VACANT LOT AND HAVE FOUR CHILDREN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T HAVE STREETLIGHTS AND I WOULD PREFER THAT OUR DECK AND STAIRS BE AT OUR DRIVEWAY , SO WE CAN ACCESS THE FRONT OF OUR HOME AT OUR DRIVEWAY. AND THAT IS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE. AND THAT IS OUR HOME NOW.

>> MR. GREEN, ANY QUESTIONS? >> I'M CONFUSED, ARE YOU TAKING EXISTING HOME AND RAISING IT UP? OR TAKING WHAT I SEE -- OKAY, UP ON THE BIG SCREEN GREAT. ARE YOU BUILDING

A SECOND DECK ONTO THAT -- >> IT WILL BE A GARAGE AND LIKE

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A LITTLE APARTMENT. >> THAT IS WHY YOU'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE, GOT IT. UNDERSTAND.

>> BECAUSE OF THE WATER TABLE WE WERE NOT RECOMMENDED TO MOVE

OR RAISE OUR HOME. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, THAT IS

ALL. >> I DIDN'T SEE ANY COMMENT FROM NEIGHBORS OR ANYTHING , DID YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH

YOUR NEIGHBORS? >> I HAVE , THEY'RE FINE WITH IT AND THEY JUST WANT US BACK IN OUR HOME.

>> I DID DRIVE BY, YOU HAVE SOME WORK CUT OUT FOR YOU, I WAS NOT EXPECTING THAT NICE POOL IN THE BACKYARD BUT A BUNCH OF CINDERBLOCKS IN THE FRONT.

>> IT IS A HUGE UNDERTAKING. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING THEM, WE ARE ASKING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE ITEMS TO SPEAK ON ITEM TWO? SEEING THEN, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD?

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ZONING VARIANCE 5461 THIRD STREET , BASED ON SEVEN CONDITIONS IN THE CLIENT

FINDINGS PROVIDED. >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION , THERE IS DEFINITELY A HARDSHIP HERE. I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO

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SEE THIS HAPPEN. >> ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING THEN, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. IF WE CAN.

CONGRATULATIONS, THAT MOTION PASSES.

>> NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER THREE .

>> I DID GO AND VISIT THIS PROPERTY, THIS AFTERNOON.

>> SEEING NONE . >> YES. MY NAME IS RICHARD LIVINGSTON ON THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.

INDISCERNIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] I'VE BEEN A PROPERTY OWNER FOR EIGHT YEARS, LOVE THE AREA AND LOVE THAT NEIGHBORS AND I TAKE PART IN MANY COMMUNITY EVENTS HERE . I MOVED FROM CALIFORNIA AND HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR 30 YEARS AND I'M NEVER GOING BACK. THIS IS THE PLACE I WANT TO STAY. I RETIRED AND I REALLY LOVE THE AREA. FOR A FEW YEARS I WALKED PAST THIS PROPERTY AND IT DID NOT EVEN REALIZE THERE WAS A HOUSE THERE BECAUSE IT WAS SO OVERGROWN WITH JUNGLE TREES AND THERE WERE ROOTS AND THINGS GOING THROUGH THE HOUSE AND I WAS NOT AWARE THERE WAS EVEN A RESIDENCE AND THE PROPERTY CAME UP FOR SALE AND WE REALIZED THIS COULD BE A NICE PLACE FOR MY WIFE AND I TO MOVE TO AND WE'RE HOPING WITH THE CONSTRUCTION THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THAT WE CAN MOVE INTO THE PLACE FROM OUR PLACE AROUND THE CORNER INTO THE SMALLER RESIDENCE BECAUSE MY KIDS ARE OUT OF COLLEGE AND IT IS JUST ME AND MY WIFE NOW AND WE ARE DOWNSIZING A LITTLE BIT . WE WANT TO LIVE IN THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR. THE WHOLE REASON BEHIND THIS VARIANCE , WHEN WE FINALLY CLEARED THE LAND AND GOT RID OF THE RACCOONS, POISONOUS SNAKES AND RATS THAT WERE RESIDING IN THE BACK, WE REALIZED THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE THE HOUSE SLIGHTLY LARGER . IT WAS 900 SQUARE FEET AND WE APPLIED FOR PERMITS TO ADD ANOTHER 100 SQUARE FEET SO WE HAVE A LARGER LIVING ROOM. UNFORTUNATELY FOR US, ALTHOUGH WE DID MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COUNTY AS FAR AS THE FLOOD PLAN GOES, IN ORDER TO MAKE ANY NEW ADJUSTMENTS OR ADDITIONS TO THE HOUSE, WE WERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEMA. WE HAD TO RAISE THE HOUSE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE TO GET THE PROPER INSURANCE FOR THE PROPERTY. RATHER THAN RAISE AT THE SIX INCH IS NECESSARY TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEMA WE DECIDED TO RAISE IT TWO FEET, IN CASE THERE IS SOME FLOOD DISASTER IN THE FUTURE, PERHAPS THE COUNTY WILL RAISE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS OR FEMA WELL AND HE WANTED TO MAKE

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UNFORTUNATELY WE DID RAISE THE HOUSE AND I REALIZE BECAUSE THE HOUSE WAS TWO FEET HIGHER, NOW MY LIVING ROOM HAD A CLEAR, VISIBLE ACCESS -- I WILL SHOW YOU . THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP OF THE PLACE AND AS YOU CAN SEE , OKAY, SO -- WHEN I RAISED IT TWO FEET THERE IS A CLEAR VISIBILITY FROM MY LIVING ROOM TO THIS ROAD HERE, ANYONE WALKING THEIR DOG OR DRIVING BY CAN SEE RIGHT INTO MY LIVING ROOM. AND I THOUGHT, THAT IS NOT GREAT IF I WANT TO GET UP AND WALK AROUND PARTIALLY CLOSED. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF HAVING THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE. I AM REQUESTING THE VARIANCE FOR THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE. I GOT A LETTER FROM THE COUNTY WITH A 36 ADDRESSES ON THE LIST OF PEOPLE THAT WERE WITHIN 300 FEET OF MY PROPERTY. OF THOSE 36 ADDRESSES, ONE OF THEM IS ME , ONE OF THEM WAS FOR THE COUNTY AND WONDERED -- ONE WAS FOR A GOVERNMENT AGENCY SOMEWHERE IN WASHINGTON. THAT BASICALLY LEFT 33 PEOPLE AROUND ME THAT WERE WITHIN 300 FEET. OF THOSE 33 PEOPLE , THREE OF THEM WERE UNOCCUPIED, ALTHOUGH THEY WERE STATED AS PRIMARY RESIDENCE , NOBODY WAS LIVING IN THEM. I SUSPECT THEY WERE EITHER SUMMER HOMES OR MAYBE SOME KIND OF AIRBNB RENTALS OR SOMETHING BECAUSE NOBODY WAS THERE AND THAT LEFT 30 NEIGHBORS FOR ME. OF THOSE 30 NEIGHBORS , 10 OF THEM WERE EITHER OUT OF COUNTY OR OUT OF STATE AND SO I COULD NOT GO AND TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE. THAT LEFT 20 NEIGHBORS. OF THOSE 20 NEIGHBORS AND INDIVIDUALLY AND TALK TO EACH ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORS, SPECIFICALLY, TO SEE I THERE WERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO HAVING AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE. AND MY NEIGHBORS ON THE RIGHT TO ME, LINDA AND ON THE LEFT OF ME KELLY , BOTH HAVE NO OBJECTIONS AND EVEN DAVID BEHIND ME HAS NO OBJECTIONS. BUT I WENT ALL 20 OF THEM AND I FOUND THAT THEY WERE ALL UNANIMOUS IN STATING THAT THEY DID NOT MIND HAVING NEIGHBORHOOD AND I GOT THEM TO SIGN STATEMENTS TO THAT EFFECT AND IN FACT I HAVE 20 STATEMENTS, ALL 20 NEIGHBORS WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE AREA , STATING THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE. NOW, SOMEBODY DID IT ONE POINT RIGHT IN WITH AN OBJECTION SAYING THAT THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE PRECEDENTS , AS FAR AS, HE HAS AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE AND WHAT IS TO STOP EVERYONE? I DON'T THINK ACCORDING TO COUNTY LEGISLATION THE PRECEDENTS HAS ANY EFFECT BECAUSE THESE CASES ARE DECIDED CASE-BY-CASE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT PRECEDENTS BECAUSE ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE APPLYING FOR AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE VARIANCE WILL HAVE TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU PEOPLE TO GET THE VARIANCE APPROVED. PRECEDENTS IS NOT REALLY WORRY . IF IT WAS A WORRY THEN I COULD PROBABLY HAVE PRESENTED THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO LESS THAN 23 EIGHT FOOT FENCE IS RIGHT IN MY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT I CANNOT PRESENT THAT BECAUSE PRECEDENTS DOES NOT MATTER.

IT IS BASICALLY THIS CASE ALONE. THE FACT THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS AND I KNOW THEM ALL PRETTY WELL. I GOT TO KNOW THE WELL AND I'M INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS EXCEPT I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD APPROVE THIS MEASURE SO I HAVE A SMALL AMOUNT OF PRIDE WHEN I MOVE INTO MY HOME WHEN I FINISH IT. THANK YOU, VERY MUCH.

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> YES, IS THERE FENCE UP NOW?

>> YES, IT IS ONLY SURROUNDING -- IT SURROUNDS THE EIGHT FOOT VARIANCE THAT I AM APPLYING FOR ONLY SURROUNDS THE HOUSE ITSELF. THE FRONT IS SIX FEET WHICH IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH LOCAL REGULATIONS AND IT HAS NOT BEEN BUILT ACROSS THE FRONT

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>> WE DID GET AN EMAIL OBJECTION TO THIS FROM SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN JACKSONVILLE.

>> RIGHT, OUT OF COUNTY, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TALK TO

THEM ABOUT THE FENCE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING THEM, WE WILL ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON ITEM THREE? SEEING NONE. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE

YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? >> NO, THAT IS IT, THANK YOU

VERY MUCH. >> ALL RIGHT, BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR EMOTION. MR. GREEN?

>> YES, FENCES MAKE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND IF THE NEIGHBORS DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE. 2023-25 , OUTDOOR FENCE BASED ON SEVEN CONDITIONS

. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> HERE. >> LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

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>> WE ARE ALL YES. >> THERE WE GO, WE CAN REGISTER THE BOAT NOW. CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU, ALL AGENCY MEMBERS, I APPRECIATE YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS ITEM FOUR. DO ANY AGENCY MEMBERS

HAVE ANY -- >> YES, I VISITED THE SITE.

GENTLEMEN. I AM MICHAEL READ AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT FOR A VARIANCE FOR 52 ATLANTIC VIEW , MR. AND MR. LACK OF WHICH -- LAKOVICH . WE ARE BUILDING A FIRST STORY ROOM BECAUSE STAIRS ARE BECOMING A PROBLEM AND THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1961 AND IT PRESENTLY ENCROACHES ON THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPERTY BY SIX INCHES AND IS SUPPOSED HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT SET BACK AND THAT IS SEVEN FOOT SIX . THERE IS A PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY FROM AN AERIAL VIEW AND HERE IS THE SITE PLAN. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN , YOU CAN SEE THE NEW ROOM WE ARE GOING TO CONSTRUCT PRESENTLY ENCROACHES ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE AT 7'6" AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE ADDITION IN THE SAME PLANE AS A RESIDENCE IT IS RIGHT NOW. HERE'S A FLOOR PLAN SHOWING THE EXISTING AREA THAT WILL BE REMOVED WHICH IS PRESENTLY IN THE PLANE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND HERE'S THE PROPOSED BEDROOM AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WILL FOLLOW DOWN THE PROPERTY LINE WITH THE SAME PLANE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I DO. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE LOT? IF YOU ARE SIX INCHES FROM THE SETBACK ON THE LEFT SIDE , AREN'T YOU OVER ON THE RIGHT SIDE TOO?

>> THE HOUSE IS ALREADY BUILT, IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1961. WE ARE JUST GOING TO THAT LITTLE SQUARE OVER THERE.

>> ARE THEY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SETBACK ON THE OTHER SIDE? THE SIZE AND THE SETBACK WILL REMAIN AS IS. THE NEW ADDITION IS WHAT IS TRIGGERING THE VARIANCE.

>> ALL RIGHT. ONE OTHER QUESTION, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE HARDSHIP? WHAT IS THE BEDROOM NEEDED FOR?

>> MR. LAKOVICH IS 85 YEARS OLD AND PRESENTLY HAS SOME HEALTH ISSUES AND IT IS DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO GET UP TO

THE SECOND-STORY BEDROOM. >> THANK YOU.

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>> DOES NOT EXCEED LOT COVERAGE DOES IT? ADDING THIS

ADDITION. >> NO, IT DOES NOT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYBODY HERE WANT TO SPEAK ON ITEM FOUR? SEEING NONE , ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD?

>> NO, THANK YOU. >> BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR

EMOTION. -- A MOTION. >> ALL RIGHT, I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE BASED UPON FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT AND SEVEN CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE REPORT. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT I WISH ALL THE DECISIONS AND REQUESTS WERE THIS EASY AND THE REQUESTS OF THIS REASONABLE, THANK YOU.

>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND BY MR. PETERS. ANY

DISCUSSION? >> I WILL PUT IN THAT I THINK THERE IS A HARDSHIP AND THAT IT IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.

>> THANK YOU. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> I WANT TO SAY THAT IT DID STATE THE MAN IS 85 YEARS OLD AND HE CANNOT GET UP THE MASTER BEDROOM VERY EASILY AND THEY WANT TO MAKE THE DOWNSTAIRS BEDROOM/BATHROOM , IS THAT

CORRECT? >> YES.

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>> I WOULD SAY THAT IS THE HARDSHIP.

>> YES, SOME OF US MIGHT HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING IN A YEAR

OR TWO. >> IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, LET'S GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT, THE MOTION PASSES, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, HAVE A GOOD DAY.

>> YOU TULSA. ON ITEM FIVE , MR. SANTIAGO, DO ANY AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY?

>> I'VE DRIVEN BY THE SITE AND I DID REACH OUT AND I SPOKE WITH THE RECEPTIONIST THERE ASKING THEM TO RETURN A CALL TO

ME. >> I BEEN AT THE RESTAURANT BUT THAT DOES NOT COUNT. IT IS A GREAT RESTAURANT.

>> I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE ALTHOUGH I DID NOT MAKE A

SITE VISIT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US TODAY. WE TOOK OVER WHAT WAS THE EXISTING BISTRO, 206, WHICH WAS ABOUT THREE MILES FROM HER CURRENT EATERY. WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING AND WHAT HAS TRIGGERED THIS IS A MINOR MODIFICATION FOR HAVING THE PROXIMITY OF 1000 FEET FROM A CHURCH. SO, THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP WHERE WE ARE LOCATED, OBVIOUSLY, ON STATE ROAD 206 IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER. WE ARE THE NORTHEAST CORNER UNITS , SO, WHAT WE HAVE SHOWN FOR THE PUD AND WHERE WE SIT IN PROXIMITY WOULD BE RIGHT OVER HERE, YOU CANNOT READ THAT BUT IT SAYS -- WHAT IS TRIGGERING IT IS RIGHT HERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA IT WOULD BE ABOUT 418 FEET BUT IN REALITY IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE CHURCH IS LOCATED IT IS ABOUT 912 FEET. IT IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN HAVE A SHRUBBERY AND TREES AND ALL OF THAT IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. SO, WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS OBVIOUSLY AN EXISTING RESTAURANT WAS THERE FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS, ALL WE ARE ASKING IS THE MINOR MODIFICATION SO WE CAN SELL THE SAME BEER AND WINE THAT WE SAW IT OR OTHER LOCATION. WE ARE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE -- TO SELL HEAVY ALCOHOLS. AND IF THERE ANY QUESTIONS I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THIS IS WHAT THE SEATING PLAN LOOKS LIKE , WE ONLY SEAT 47 GUEST IN THE RESTAURANT. THANK YOU.

>> MR. GREEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> IF WE APPROVE THIS IS G.O.A.T. THE PROPERTY OR THE OWNER OF THE RESTAURANT? THE CHANGE IN THE PUD? I ASSUME

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IT IS WITHIN A PUD. >> THAT IS CORRECT, A

MODIFICATION TO THE PUD. >> OKAY.

>> I DON'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ABOUT THE SPECIFIC BUSINESS BUT IT DOES RUN WITH THE LAND.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE , WE WILL ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, IS ANYBODY HERE TO TALK ON ITEM FIVE? SEEING NONE. ANYTHING ELSE DAD?

>> NO , THANK YOU, HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE SOON.

>> ALL RIGHT, BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR.

>> I WANTED TO MAKE A CORRECTION. NORMALLY WE WOULD DO THAT IS A PART OF THE PUD BUT THAT HAS A CONDITION TO IT, THE CONDITION BRINGS IT BACK INTO THE LEC AND ESSENTIALLY IT IS LIKE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT IS WRITTEN INTO THE

PUD. >> OKAY. IT WILL NOT GO WITH THE PROPERTY. BECAUSE THE PRIOR RESTAURANT I BELIEVE --

>> YES, THEY DID. FIVE YEARS.

>> OKAY. SO, IF THEY LEAVE ANOTHER ONE COMES IN THEY WILL

BE BACK, ALL RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT .

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 23 3-14 THE

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CONDITIONS. >> DO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE LET'S REGISTERTHE VOTE. THE

MOTION PASSES . >> THANK YOU, SO MUCH, HAVE A

GREAT DAY. >> ON TO ITEM SIX,

>> I SPOKE WITH JAMES WHITEHOUSE YESTERDAY, HE CALLED ME AND I CALL THEM RIGHT BACK AND WE DISCUSSED THE VARIOUS ISSUES SURROUNDING THE PROJECT .

>> I SPOKE TO JAMES WHITEHOUSE TWICE THIS MORNING AND I DROVE BY AND LOOKED AT THIS PARTICULAR SITE ON THE WAY

HERE. >> I TALKED WITH HIM YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AND ALTHOUGH I DID NOT DRIVE BY THE SITE --

INAUDIBLE ]. >> I DID TWO SITE VISITS AND I MET WITH JERRY AND EVELYN THE HLA BOARD MEMBERS ON OCTOBER 23RD. ON THE SITE. WE DISCUSSED THE AREA.

>> I SPOKE WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE THIS MORNING ABOUT HIS APPLICATION. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

>> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, JAMES WHITEHOUSE 104 SEAGROVE MAIN STREET HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA AND I'M RECOGNIZES A BOARD CERTIFIED EXPERT IN CITY, COUNTY AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW AND I'M HERE BEHALF OF THE HART FAMILY, THE OWNERS AND FOUNDERS OF THE HERITAGE PARK PUD, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR MODIFICATION TO HERITAGE PARK PUD AND AN INTENSITY REDUCTION. AS I SAID AND YOU CAN SEE, THE INTENSITY REDUCTION IS A REQUEST TO REPLACE THE APPROVED 700 SQUARE-FOOT DAY CARE USED ON THIS PRETTY SIZABLE PARCEL.

THE LOCATION IS OFF WOODLAWN AS YOU ALL KNOW THERE'S AN ENTRANCE TO HERITAGE PARK HERE THAT GOES BACK AND SERVES THIS WHOLE AREA AND THERE IS A ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH HERE AND CUTS FROM WOODLAWN AND OVER TO HERE AND YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL HERE. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THIS PARCEL ITSELF AS I SAID IS ABOUT 1.32 ACRES , PRETTY LARGE PARCEL

AND ADJACENT -- >> LISTEN, AND HE DOES ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT WHERE YOU LIVE BUT WE CANNOT HAVE ANYBODY MAKING ANY KIND OF NOISE OR EXCITEMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, PLEASE BE QUIET. IF YOU CANNOT THEN YOU WILL BE ASKED

TO LEAVE. THANK YOU. >> I CAN UNDERSTAND BECAUSE OF

THE AUDIENCE. >> SURE. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LOCATION ITSELF. THIS IS WOODLAWN AND THIS IS WHERE THE LIGHT IS. IT WILL LOOK BETTER IN A DIFFERENT AREA THAT I HAVE

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THIS IS AN AREA THAT LOOKS AT THE PARTICULAR PARCEL. IT IS OVER AN ACRE ABOUT AN ACRE AND ONE THIRD AND ADJACENT TO A COMMUNITY CENTER WITH THE POOL , THE PARKING LOT, THE FIELDS.

ON THE SIDE OF HERITAGE PARK, PUD. HERE YOU CAN SEE IT HAS AN APPROPRIATE LAND-USE DESIGNATION WHICH ALLOWS FOR THESE TYPE OF USES AND PARTICULARLY THIS REQUESTED USE. THIS IS A ZONING MAP FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT AND WAS -- WITHIN THE HERITAGE REPORT AS YOU KNOW. THIS IS THE PROPOSED PARCEL, THIS WHOLE PARCEL TOGETHER IS WITHIN THE BREAKDOWN THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2000 AND THIS IS WHERE THE MULTI-FAMILY HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF MULTI-FAMILY IN THIS AREA AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. AS YOU CAN SEE THE PARCEL OUTLET IN LIGHT BLUE IS THE ACTIVITY FIELD, THE YELLOW IS THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE PARKING LOT AND THIS IS THE EAST ENTRANCE AND ONE OF THE CLOSEST PARCELS TO THE EAST ENTRANCE ACTUALLY. HERE YOU SEE THE AERIAL OF THAT, IT IS OUTLINED AND YOU CAN SEE THE SIZE COMPARISON AND A BUNCH OF THE LOTS AROUND IT , YOU SEE WE COME OUT ON WOODLAWN AND IS ONE ENTRANCE THAT SERVES AS WHOLE AREA AS WELL AS YOU CAN SEE THE FIELD IN THE CLUBHOUSE. AS YOU SOFTWARE STAFF REPORT IT IS A REQUEST FOR REDUCTION IN INTENSITY TO REPLACE THE APPROVED 7400 SQUARE-FOOT USE. WHEN THEY SAY DEFY THE PARCEL IT DOES NOT MEAN DIVIDE IS OWNERSHIP. MY CLIENTS HAVE OWNED THIS PARCEL FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THAT THIS REQUEST IS ON. IT IS JUST TOO DIVIDED AND SEPARATE THE TWO AND WHAT THE USES ARE AND TO BE IN PUD LANGUAGE. IT IS TO INCREASE ADDING 12 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS ON THIS PARCEL BUT AS I WILL SHOW YOU LATER THE NUMBER OF MULTI-FAMILIES HAVE BEEN DRASTICALLY REDUCED OVER THE YEARS WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR LAND UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

AS YOU SEE FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT THEY GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROJECT HISTORY FROM THE APPROVAL BACK IN 2000 , THE INITIAL APPROVAL FOR THIS PUD WAS 774 UNITS WHICH 386 SINGLE-FAMILY PLUS 388 MULTI-FAMILY AND IN 2002 THIS WAS MODIFIED THROUGH MODIFICATION AND IT WAS STILL 774 UNITS BUT THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF MULTI-FAMILY UNITS AND ADDED TO SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS. AS I SAID THIS SHOWS THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN MULTI- -FAMILY AND SINGLE-FAMILY TOGETHER. IN 2004 WAS MULTIPLIED AGAIN BUT A REDUCTION TO 703 UNITS AND IN FACT THAT REDUCED THE TOTAL UNIT COUNT BY 71 AND IN RETURN THEY REDUCED THE NUMBER OF MULTI-FAMILY UNITS BY ABOUT 224 AND ADDED SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS. PARTS OF THE SIDE AND OUTSIDE THAT SIDE , TO DIFFERENTIATE THE PUD BUT ON THE SIDE, THERE USED TO BE A LOT MORE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS AND NOW IT IS A LOT OF SINGLE-FAMILY ON THE SIDE BUT AS I SAID THIS REQUESTED MODIFICATION IS TO ADD THE MERE 12 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS TO MAKE THE TOTAL 715, WHICH AGAIN IS WAY LESS THAN THE 774 INITIALLY FOUND TO BE COMPATIBLE ON THIS PARTICUAR AREA FOR THIS PUD. AND TO REDUCE THE MULTIPLE CORRESPONDING PEAK HOUR TRIPS. THIS IS THE OVERALL USE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PARCEL IS CLOSE TO THE EAST ENTRANCE ITSELF BUT I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU SEE THERE IS A PROPOSED -- AN APPROVED CHILDCARE CENTER ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT AND YOU SEE OTHER PROPOSAL STATES HOW IT WOULD LAY OUT A COMPARISON TO SOME OF THE HOUSES AROUND IT.

THE USE ON THE PROPERTY AND HOW IT WAS ALWAYS DESIGNED TO BE PART OF THIS AND ENTRY OFF FOR THE PARKING LOT IS IN THE CENTER. YOU CAN SEE IN COMPARISON TO THE PROPOSAL ITSELF AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT IT IS TAKING UP IS ACTUALLY VERY COMPARABLE AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON AT DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. AS YOU SEE THERE

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YOU SEE ARE ENGINEERS ALSO BROKEN DOWN FOR YOU AND THAT IS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE APPLICATION. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I WENT THROUGH AND READ -- IS MUCH THAT COULD OF THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT HAS COME IN AND YOU KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN IT AS WELL BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMENTS AND IF IT SAY, WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THIS MODIFICATION WILL BRING AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. THE EXPERT STAFF AS WELL AS THE ENGINEERS ARE SHOWING YOU THAT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION, DRASTIC REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC TRIPS A REDUCTION OF OVER 250 WEEKDAY TRIPS FROM 343 TO 81. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A NON-DEVELOPED SITE RIGHT NOW BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT IT IS APPROVED FOR. IF WE PUT OVER 75 TRIPS IN THE A.M. HOUR IN THE P.M. OUR COMING OUT THE ENTRYWAY, WHICH SERVES THE WHOLE SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY, THAT WILL BE A DISASTER AND YOU CAN SEE THAT BY YOUR EXPERT STAFF SHOWING YOU THAT EFFICIENT ROADWAYS IN THIS AREA. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT THE PEOPLE MAY WANT BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY HELPS THE AREA AS FAR AS TRAFFIC BUT YOU HEAR A LOT OF COMPLAINTS THAT COME IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS IN THE AGENCY. THIS REQUESTED USES REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE. IT REDUCES THE PARCELS COMMERCIAL IMPACT ON THE AREA AND PROVIDES ADDITIONAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IN THE AREA. THE REQUEST IS IN COMPLIANCE THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN AND THE REQUESTED USES COMPATIBLE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. THE USES ARE SHOWN TO BE REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE AND WE ASK FOR A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL TO ALLOW THIS MODIFICATION TO REMOVE THIS USE THAT IS CURRENTLY APPROVED TO ALLOW OVER 250 TRAFFIC TRIPS , APPROXIMATELY 75 ABOUT THE P.M.

AND A.M. HOURS , TO ALLOW THIS MULTI-FAMILY USE AS PROPOSED.

I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONE MORE THING. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE COMING IN OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS AND WEEKS AS WELL AS TODAY. I THINK IT IS A ROPEY TO ALLOW EVERYONE TO HAVE THEIR SAY BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS FOR A SECOND. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PARTICULAR USE AND WHERE IT IS, YOU HEAR A LOT OF SNICKERING WHEN I SAY THIS IS A LARGE PARCEL BUT IT IS PRETTY CLEAR, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIZES OF ALL OF THESE LOTS, THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE LESS THAN .2 OF AN ACRE. THIS IS 1.32 ACRES AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR 12 UNITS. THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS WHEN I GO BACK -- IF I GO BACK TO WHEN YOU SEE THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO HERE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 7200 SQUARE-FOOT DAY CARE CENTER WITH THE PARKING THAT IS REQUIRED FOR 72 SQUARE FEET AND THEN THE PLAYGROUND AREA WHICH WILL ALL REQUIRE SECURITY LIGHTING WHICH IS ALLOWED UNDER THE CODE IN THE PUD BECAUSE IT IS COMMERCIAL USE, MAKE NO MISTAKE . THE AMOUNT OF AREA THAT IS TAKEN UP ON THE LOT IS ACTUALLY VERY COMPARABLE AND ALL THE PARKING WOULD BE OVER HERE, THERE WILL BE A BUFFER HERE ALONG THE BACK AND THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL USE. THE LAST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, THERE IS MORE WE CAN TALK ABOUT AFTER EVERYONE HAS THEIR ABILITY TO TALK BECAUSE WE ARE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. PART OF IT IS THE HEIGHT ITSELF, THERE IS NO ATTEMPT WHATSOEVER TO BUILD A HIGH-RISE APARTMENT BUILDING.

NO INTENT WHATSOEVER. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER UNITS ON THE OTHER SIDE, MULTI-FAMILY, THAT IS THE TYPE OF PRODUCT BUT AS PROPOSED TO GO ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT. THESE ARE NOT

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>> JAMES, I WILL ADMIT THAT THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION OF TRAFFIC WITH THE PROPOSED DAY CARE CENTER AND WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING. BUT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGHOUT -- WHICH WERE WANTING TO DO WITH 12 UNITS ON ONE POINT 32 ACRES EXCEEDS THE REQUIREMENT WHICH IS SIX

UNITS PER ACRE. >> YES, SIR.

>> AND YOU WANT 12 , EIGHT ACTUALLY AND YOU ALL WANT 12, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WANT TO DOES NOT GO WITH THE CURRENT ZONING AND DO EIGHT . YOU WANT TO DO 12 AND THAT IS A CONCERN TO ME. AND THEN 45 FEET TALL, YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT BUT THAT IS WHAT IS IN THE ITEM. 45 FEET TALL. AND 12 RENTAL UNITS. WHY RENTAL UNITS? I UNDERSTAND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY THAT ANYONE IN THAT ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD RENT THEIR HOUSE IF THEY WANTED TO. BUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS FORCING ME TO ONLY BE RENTAL UNITS.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS BETTER TO LET PEOPLE TALK FIRST BUT I CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS NOW BUT I THINK TO ADDRESS THE THREE THINGS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. NUMBER ONE I THINK WAS THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS JUST AN AERIAL OF THE ONES ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THAT IS HOW THEY ARE BUILT. IN SIX SECTIONS AND THEY WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THAT IN FACT THEY WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE OTHER SIDE AND THAT IS THE REASON FOR THAT. IT IS TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS TO FIT ON THIS LOT. THAT IS THE REASONING FOR THE 12 UNITS. AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT ITSELF WE CAN MODIFY THE TEXT TO SAY THAT IT WILL BE NO HIGHER THAN ANY OTHER HOUSE RESIDENTS WITHIN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY WHICH IS 35 FEET . I WOULD BE GLAD TO DO THAT.

THEIR INTENT , THEY DON'T WANT -- I THINK AND THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR AND I DIDN'T WRITE THE TEXT AS IT IS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. BUT I AM HERE TO CORRECT THE TEXT TODAY AND THERE IS NOT A HUGE DESIRE TO SAY THAT WE WANT THE RENTALS.

I KNOW THAT IS WHAT IT SAYS. I CAN CHANGE THAT BUT NOT BEFORE TODAY I COULD NOT CHANGE IT. I DON'T THINK THAT IS FAIR TO ANYONE. I WILL SIT DOWN EVERYONE IS TALKING TO LOOK IF THAT CAN BE REVISED SO THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT READS AND THE HEIGHT CAN BE FIXED AND I'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE LAYOUT

AS WELL. >> ONE THING THAT STRIKES ME AS SECTION F , HAVING THEIR OWN SEPARATE ENTRANCE COMING OFF WOODLAWN. THEY ARE SEPARATED BY ANOTHER GROUP OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES BUT A VEGETATIVE BUFFER AND THERE IS THE PARCEL OVER THERE AND NOBODY EVEN SEES THOSE UNLESS THEY DRIVE AND OFF WOODLAWN. THEY ARE PARTITIONED OVER IN THE SOUTHWESTERN AREA. YOU WANT TO PUT TOWNHOMES RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WHICH IS A CONCERN.

>> OVER THE YEARS I SHOWED YOU HAVE HISTORY CHANGED -- THERE WAS MULTI-FAMILY OVER HERE BEFORE AND THAT WAS CHANGED. I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE SPOT IS BECAUSE AS I SHOWED OVER AND OVER, THIS IS SUPER CLOSE AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT ANYWHERE YOU WOULD PUT IT HERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE CLUBHOUSE. AS YOU SAID YOU HAVE A FIELD RIGHT NEXT TO IT JUST LIKE HOW YOU FIELD RIGHT HERE. YOU CANNOT COME IN -- YOU

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>> I UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC ISSUE AND THAT YOU ARE SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCING IT FROM 7201ST -- SQUARE FOOT DAY CARE CENTER TO THESE TWO UNITS. BUT TO CORRECT THE RECORD. YOU SAID I SAID SOMETHING THEN WENT ON AND ON ABOUT SOMETHING AND I DID NOT SAY THOSE THINGS YOU SAID. I DO NOT SAY THOSE. I WAS

TALKING ABOUT PARCEL F . >> I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT IS NOT REALLY AN ENTRANCE AND THAT WAS CLOSE TO THE RECREATIONAL

UNIT AND THAT IS WHY -- >> I DIDN'T MENTION THE RECREATIONAL I MENTIONED THE TWO FAMILY UNIT SEPARATING IT , NOT THE RECREATIONAL AREA. I SEE YOUR POINTS.

>> I APOLOGIZE. >> THAT'S FINE I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT THE RECORD. I'M GLAD YOU'RE SAYING THEY WOULD AGREE TO JOIN THE H AWAY. -- H AWAY AND THAT IS GOOD. I HAVE MORE THINGS BUT I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK. I WILL GET TO THOSE LATER. I WANT TO POINT OUT AND HE STARTED TO POINT THIS OUT THAT THERE HAS BEEN A TREND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM 2002 TO 2004 TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF MULTI-FAMILY IN LIEU OF A GREATER NUMBER OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. THERE HAS BEEN A TREND IN THE RESIDENCE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND OVER THE YEARS HAVE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WITH PREDOMINATE IN THE AREA .

THAT'S MY OPINION THAT YOU DON'T SEEM TO AGREE.

>> THAT WAS THE EARLY 2000'S WHEN THERE WAS A TREND MOVING TOWARD SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES AND NOW I HEAR LOTS OF COMMENTS THAT WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING , AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS MULTI-FAMILY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND IF WE DO NOT ALLOW IT ANYWHERE THEN WE WILL NOT HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

>> I DON'T REMEMBER THE WORDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING APPLIED TO THIS ANYWHERE. THESE ARE NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

ARE THEY? >> MULTI-FAMILY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS MORE AFFORDABLE THAN SINGLE-FAMILY IN ST. JOHNS

COUNTY. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT BUT YOU KNOW THE DEFINITION AND OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL AS I

DO. RIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU. >> MISS BIEGEL .

>> THANK YOU, GOOD PRESENTATION AND THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. I LOVE THE WAY IT IS DESIGNED TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF UNEXPECTED A DAY CARE TO GO IN AND THEY KNEW THAT AND WERE PREPARED FOR THAT EVENTUALITY AND I TOTALLY APPRECIATE THE REDUCTION IN TRIPS, I THINK WE ARE SEEING TRAFFIC EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY. I ALSO THINK THESE PEOPLE PURCHASE THEIR HOMES OF AN INTENT TO LIVE IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT THEY EXPECTED TO BE CONTROLLED AND

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SECTION F? >> YES, MA'AM AND THAT IS WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP, OUR INTENT IS NOT TO HAVE 45 FEET. THE REASON THAT WAS LEFT IN THERE IS BECAUSE IT WAS APPROVED INITIALLY. 45 FEET WAS NOT APPROVED FOR THE MULTIFAMILY WITHIN THIS PUD BACK IN 2000. WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN THE 45 FEET AND THEY DON'T NEED TO BE THAT BIG. WE ARE PREPARED TO CHANGE THAT AND I WILL GO BACK AND SHOW YOU THE RED LINE IN THE TEXT WANT TO COME BACK UP TO TAKE THAT OUT.

>> ARE THE STRUCTURES IN PARCEL F 45 FEET?

>> LESS. >> HE LOOKS LESS TO ME. I DON'T HAVE A MEASURING STICK IN MY EYE. SECTION 503 -- 01D , PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, GRANTED THIS IS ONE PUD BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT FLAVORS AND FEELS TO THE DIFFERENT AREAS. I AM NOT SURE IF STICKING THE SMALL CHUNK OF MULTI-FAMILY APART FROM THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT IS ACTUALLY SERVING TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS . ESPECIALLY WITH THESE GOOD PEOPLE OF COME TO EXPECT. WE RECEIVED A THINK 103 EMAILS OF OPPOSITION IN FAVOR OF THIS AND IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU HAVE AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD UP IN ARMS OF THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS, MAYBE SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. IN 50302 G1 S THE PROJECT IMPACT OF THE PROJECT UPON ST.

JOHNS COUNTY EXPLANATIONS OF THE BENEFITS OF THE COUNTY AS COMPARED TO THE EXISTING ZONING WHICH WE ARE NOT CHANGING BUT I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT. WE TALKED ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WELL MULTI-FAMILY IS LESS BUT THERE IS NO OWNER INVESTMENT IN THAT, HOW DOES THAT BENEFIT? THERE SEEMS TO BE AN AWFUL LOT OF RENTAL PROPERTY WITHIN THE RADIUS RIGHT NOW , JUST EVEN DOWN THE STREET. I DON'T EVEN SEE THE NEED AND PUBLIC BENEFIT. MAYBE NOT DOING THE DAY CARE WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE ROADS BUT ANYWAY, THOSE ARE ALL CONDITIONS OF CHANGING THE PUD . ANOTHER ONE. 50306 F , COMPATIBILITY , MINIMIZING NEGATIVE EFFECT OF EXTERNAL IMPACTS , TRAFFIC, NOISE OR LIGHTS. AS YOU SAID THERE MIGHT BE A NEW DRIVEWAY SITUATION THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN YET. THOSE ARE JUST THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD MADE BASED ON CODES NOT BASED ON PUBLIC, NECESSARILY.

>> QUESTION OR COMMENT ? >> YES, THANK YOU. I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING I HEARD . A COMMENT WAS MADE EARLIER ABOUT THE DENSITY OF THE SIX UNITS TO ONE ACRE AND THAT THIS IS ONE ACRE OR SO OF PROPERTY WITH 12 UNITS. THIS IS AN OVERALL PUD IN THE DENSITY WOULD'VE BEEN LOOKED AT WITH THE OVERALL PUD AND THEY ARE NOT EXCEEDING THE DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL PUD AND THEY ARE OKAY WITH DENSITY IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMPLIANCE .

WE WOULD LOOK AT AN INDIVIDUAL PIECE OF PROPERTY INSIDE A PUD TO ADDRESS THE DENSITY IN THIS CASE. THANK YOU.

>> MR. GREEN? >> WHAT IS THE OVERALL SIZE

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THE UNITS? >> I CAN TELL YOU THE UNITS, THE BUILDINGS ARE MAYBE A LITTLE OVER 4000 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL. MAYBE 4500 SQUARE FEET FOR EACH BUILDING AND THAT IS WHY WHEN I SHOWED YOU THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT 1700 FOR THIS WITH THE PLAYGROUND AND THE PARKING, THE AMOUNT OF SPACE IT TAKES UP BECAUSE EACH OF THESE ARE MAYBE 4500 4600 , EACH OF THAT INDIVIDUAL UNITS. I THINK THEY ARE TWO OR THREE BEDROOMS. MAYBE 1600 OR 1700 SQUARE FEET.

AS WE SAID THERE STILL WITHIN -- WAY BELOW 35 FEET ACTUALLY.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT BRINGING A NEW PRODUCT IN .

>> YOU MENTIONED YOU MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITHOUT USING THE CLUBHOUSE. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? THE

PROPERTY INCLUDES IT, RIGHT? >> YES. YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE LINE, THE PARCEL LINE. THIS IS THE DEPICTION OF HOW THE DAY CARE WOULD BE LAID OUT BUT THIS PARKING LOT, YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER HERE BUT THE PARKING APPEAR, EACH HAS A GARAGE AND A DRIVEWAY AND AS YOU SEE IT SAYS THERE HAS TO BE AN EXTRA FOR GUESTS, THERE ARE THREE MORE HERE AND PEOPLE MIGHT SAY THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE MUCH BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY OWN ALL OF THIS AND THEY CAN USE THIS. THEY'RE NOT TRY TO TAKE THESE BACK. BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS -- I THINK THEY'RE COUNTING BOTH FOR THESE OVER HERE. IF YOU LOOK IN THE STAFF REPORT IT TALKS AOUT THOSE SPACES NEEDED FOR THE CLUBHOUSE USE ITSELF , IF I RECALL RIGHT. PART OF THAT OF THESE OVER HERE IN THE MAIN THING IS THAT THEY ONLY NEED THREE FOR THE OVERFLOW JUST TYPICAL FOR MULTI-FAMILY USE.

BUT THERE IS MORE BECAUSE AT CERTAIN TIMES IF THERE ARE GUESTS HERE IN THE EVENING OR WHATEVER IN THE CLUBHOUSE NOT BEING USED , THAT IS WHY I SUGGESTED EARLIER AND I GOT LAUGHED AT BUT THAT'S MY SUGGESTED THAT THIS WOULD BE A SPOT THAT YOU WOULD PUT IT BECAUSE IT IS NEXT TO THE CLUBHOUSE AND RECREATIONAL FIELD AND CLOSE TO THE ENTRYWAY. THIS WOULD BE A SPOT YOU WOULD HAVE IT. THIS PREVIOUSLY MIGHT'VE ORIGINALLY BEEN MULTI-FAMILY , I'M NOT SURE OF THE ORIGINAL MAP BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE WE WILL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE SEVEN SPEAKERS AND WE WILL CALL THOSE INDIVIDUALS UP . THOSE INDIVIDUALS WILL GET FIVE MINUTES. IF YOU SIGNED A FORM ALLOTTING YOUR TIME TO THE INDIVIDUAL , DO NOT COME UP BECAUSE WE WILL GO TO THE LIST AND WE WILL KNOW IF YOU SIGNED IT OR NOT. PLEASE ABIDE BY WHAT YOU AGREED TO, OKAY? FIRST ONE UP .

>> DAVID SANDERS . >> MY NAME IS DAVID SANDERS AND I LIVE AT 1322 PINE DRIVE WHICH IS INHERITED PARK. I LIKE TO ADDRESS A FEW THINGS . ONE IS THAT HE STATED THAT THE PARKING LOT ON THE SIDE WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS, THAT IT IS OWNED BY THE DEVELOPER. THERE WAS A DOCUMENT CALLED A NON-EXCLUSIVE ACCESS PARKING EASEMENT WHICH WAS GRANTED FOR THAT PROPERTY. AN EASEMENT AND NOT AN OWNERSHIP. AND IT SHOULD NOT BE USED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF A MINIMUM PARKING AREA FOR THE FACILITY. I'M A DOCTORATE IN

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QUESTIONS? >> NO. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> CHARLES DEMELLO .

>> PLEASE, DO NOT DO THAT AGAIN OR I WILL ASK YOU ALL TO LEAVE.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> CHARLES DEMELLO OLIVE 59 NORTH CREEK LANE. THE CONCERNS I HAVE WITH THIS IS THE

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I QUESTION THE REQUEST FOR 45 FEET. IF THEY DON'T NEED 45 FEET THEN WHY ARE THEY REQUESTING IT? ALSO FROM THE PICTURE OF THE LAYOUTS, WHEN YOU GO FROM HER SIDE CREEK IS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT, THOSE HOUSES THAT BACKUP TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY , IT IS A LOT CLOSER THAN WHAT THE OVERHEAD IS. WHEN I DRIVE OUT OF SIDE CREEK I CAN SEE THE LOT THROUGH THE HOUSE IS EXISTING. UNLESS THE VEGETATION DENSITY OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN THERE , I JUST FEEL , 45 FEET , IN THEORY IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO CHANGE , THEY COULD PUT 45 FEET THERE AND THAT IS MY CONCERN. THE OTHER CONCERN IS THE CURRENT USE OF THE PARKING LOT, THE WAY IT IS USED IN THE WAY WE USE IT. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND DESIGNATING THE LAST LINE OF PARKING AS OWNERSHIP BUT IF THE PARKING WAS ALREADY THERE FOR THE CLUBHOUSE, THE EXISTING CLUBHOUSE AND THEN IT WAS GRANTED IN A DEED OR SOMETHING OVER TO THE NEW OWNERSHIP , WAS THE PARKING APPROPRIATE FOR THE CLUBHOUSE USE? AND NOW GIVEN TO THE OTHER ENTITY , DOES THAT AFFECT OUR USE AS THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY FOR HAVING SPACE TO USE THE CLUBHOUSE AND NOT OVERBURDENING THE PARKING FOR OUR USE . THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS . THEM REQUESTING 45 FEET BUT NOT WANTING 45 FEET AND THE USE OF THE CURRENT PARKING LOT AND HOW THEY ARE

USING IT. THAT IS IT. >> APPRECIATED, THANK YOU .

>> SARAH ABERCROMBIE . >> HI MY NAME IS SARAH ABERCROMBIE AND ALBERT 609 PARITY WAY AND THIS PROPERTY WILL BE ABOUT 30 FEET FROM MY DOOR . MY HUSBAND AND I AND MY PARENTS ALL MOVED HERE FROM SARASOTA BACK IN MAY AND WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING PRIOR TO THAT FOR A COUPLE YEARS FOR A RESIDENCE THAT WAS PEACEFUL AND QUIET TO LIVING . WE MOVED FROM SARASOTA BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC AND JUST CRAZINESS IN THE AREA AND WE LOOK ALL OVER THE WEST COAST AND COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING WE LIKED, WE SETTLED ON ST. AUGSTINE. WE SPENT SEVERAL MONTHS SEARCHING THROUGH ST. AUGSTINE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SETTLED ON HERITAGE PARK. WE SETTLED ON HERITAGE PARK FOR THE REASONS I'M SURE YOU HAVE ANY ORIGINAL DEED OF THE DEVELOPMENT. PEACEFUL, NATURE, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES . WE HAVE WORKED HARD ALL OF OUR LIVES AND EVERYBODY ELSE HERE HAS AND WE HAVE ALL LIVED IN APARTMENT AND RENTAL COMMUNITIES AND WE ARE PAST THAT. WE WORK HARD AND WE DESERVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND THAT IS WHY WE CHOSE IT. WHEN MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED IN WE DIDN'T KNOW THE LAND BEHIND THIS WAS NOT OWNED BY THE HOA AND THAT WILL BE USED FOR A DAY CARE CENTER. I CONTACTED AN ATTORNEY AND SAID THAT WE JUST SPENT OVER HALF $1 MILLION ON THESE TWO HOMES , WHAT CAN WE DO? AND HE SAID IT IS PUBLIC OWNED AND YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. BUT SINCE DEVELOPMENT IS ASKING FOR 12 RENTAL UNITS IN OUR BACKYARD , I AM SURE

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I'M NOT SURE HOW THE TRAFFIC FLOW WILL BE LESSENED BY A DAY CARE CENTER. IF SOMEBODY IS PICKING UP A KID FROM PRESCHOOL AND THEN LEAVING. WHERE WOULD WE PUT 72 CARS? IF THEY HAVE A PARTY , WE WILL ALL HEAR IT . THIS IS NOT WHY WE BOUGHT IN HERITAGE PARK. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ROBERT ABERCROMBIE. THANK

YOU. MARGARET MARTINS . >> HI, I AM NERVOUS AND I WILL TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS. MY NAME IS MARGARET MARTINS AND I LIVE AT 487 HAVE FRONT DRIVE AND I'M ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE TO HAVE BEEN BLESSED TO HAVE LIVED IN HERITAGE PARK FOR OVER 18 YEARS. I BUILT MY FIRST HOME IN OAK HARBOR AS A SINGLE WOMAN, MET MY WONDERFUL HUSBAND AND WANTED A LITTLE BIGGER HOUSE AND IN 2010 WE BUILT AT THE CHANCELLOR'S RIDGE. WE SENSED AND ADDED ONTO OUR HOME IN MY ELDERLY PARENTS OF COME TO LIVE WITH US. THIS IS MY HOME, MY COMMUNITY AND I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT. I USE THE FACILITIES, PICKLE BALL AND I CANNOT IMAGINE HAVING TWO HUGE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENTS WILL BECOME INTO THE FACILITY . I TURNED IN OVER 50 NAMES OF NEIGHBORS WHO I SPOKE TO, ELDERLY PEOPLE , PEOPLE WHO ARE SICK, PEOPLE WHO SAID, CAN YOU PLEASE GO SPEAK FOR ME. I SAID I WOULD DO MY BEST. THERE HAS BEEN NO CONSTRUCTION IN HERITAGE PARK SINCE 2010 AND 2011. WE HAVE BEEN A STABLE COMMUNITY AND I DO FEEL LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS IS GOING TO DISRUPT PARKING AND THE FLOW. WE HAVE BEEN A STABLE COMMUNITY. THEY ASKED ME TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT THEY DO NOT SEE THE BENEFITS OF THIS. EVEN IF IT HAD BEEN A DAY CARE CENTER, THIS AWESOME BENEFIT ON IT AND A COUPLE PEOPLE SAID THEY PROBABLY USE IT. BUT IF IT'S GOING TO BE TOWNHOMES THEY DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. RENTAL UNITS WAS JUST OVERWHELM -- THE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED THE POSITION THE PETITION SAID THEY DID NOT WANT RENTALS. IF IT IS OWNERSHIP AND YOU SEE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROUD OF YOUR PROPERTY AND THEY AGREED THAT TODAY DID NOT WANT RENTAL UNITS. THERE ARE CONCERNS REGARDING THE RULES AND REGULATIONS ADHERING TO THE HOA POLICY AND EVERY ONE OF THEM ASKED ME, ARE THEY PAYING INTO THE COMMUNITY? I COULD NOT ANSWER THAT FOR THEM. THE PROPOSED TOWNHOMES FROM THE VIEW HE SHOWED OUR HIGH DENSITY, WHICH IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT. LOTS OF THE FAMILIES MENTIONED TO ME HOW THEIR KIDS ARE PICKED UP DAILY FOR SCHOOL, THE BUSES PEDALING AND PICK UP THEIR CHILDREN, THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY. PURELY FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, WE ARE TAKING AWAY FROM THE NATURAL LAND AND ANIMAL HABITAT , THAT WAS ALSO MENTIONED. THE HOMES THAT BACK UP TO THIS PROPERTY WILL LOSE PRIVACY , NATURAL SURROUNDING , INCREASED NOISE POLLUTION AND INCREASE THE TRAFFIC. IN CONCLUSION, WHEN I READ THE 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF LAND USE THAT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONS SHALL UTILIZE TO DECIDE ON THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA FOR A REZONING REQUEST, I SIMPLY ASK TO PLEASE DENY THE PROPOSAL .

THERE IS A LOT OF FEEDBACK AGAINST THIS AND I THINK YOU -- AND I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING.

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>> THANK YOU. >> MELINDA HUSTON .

MELINDA HUSSON AT 11 1204 PARKER CIRCLE IN HERITAGE PARK.

MY HUSBAND AND I ARE LONGTIME RESIDENTS OF ST. AUGSTINE AND PURCHASED OUR HOME IN HERITAGE PARK IN JUNE 2004. WE NEVER DOUBTED MR. HARB'S IDEA OF THE HERITAGE PARK COMMUNITY AND WE WERE PROMISED A BEAUTIFUL CLUBHOUSE, POOL AND EXPANSIVE GREEN SPACE TO INCLUDE MANY AMENITIES. EACH VILLAGE WITHIN THE HERITAGE PARK DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE WELL-DESIGNED TO AFFORD SECLUSION BY MEANS OF OFFERS, NATURAL AREAS , TREES AND GREEN SPACE. HOMEOWNERS WERE PROMISED BY THE DEVELOPER THAT IT IS THE INTENTION OF THE DEVELOPER TO DEVELOP HERITAGE PARK SUBDIVISION AS A LOW DENSITY, HIGH QUALITY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AND I TAKE THIS QUOTE FROM PAGE ONE OF THE DECLARATION OF COVENANTS DATED MAY 21ST , 2004.

RESIDENTS WERE ALSO PROMISED A CHILDCARE CENTER , WHICH WAS A VERY ATTRACTIVE AMENITY FOR SO MANY OF THE YOUNG FAMILIES THAT WERE BUYING THEIR HOMES, MOST OF THEM THEIR FIRST HOMES. IN HERITAGE PARK. THIS SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE HERITAGE PARK AMENITIES CENTER NOW HAS THE CHANCE OF BECOMING THE BLIGHT OF THE HERITAGE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. THE DEVELOPER MR. HARB HAS DECIDED TO BENEFIT HIMSELF AND HIS FAMILY , HE IS WILLING TO GO BACK ON HIS ORIGINAL IDEAL OF A DEVELOPMENT TO THE DUTCH MINUTE -- DETRIMENT OF 703 FAMILIES. THE DEVELOPER IS ALLOWING A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE ORIGINAL SCHEME OF HERITAGE PARK SUBDIVISION, BY BEING ALLOWED TO CHANGE THE ORIGINAL CHILDCARE CENTER TO 12 COMMERCIAL RENTAL APARTMENTS. THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS WILL BE FELT BY THE 703 HOMEOWNERS WHO INVESTED IN HERITAGE PARK NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE THOUGHT OUR INVESTMENTS WERE PROTECTED BY HER COVENANTS SINCE THE ORIGINAL DECLARATION OF COVENANTS FROM 2006 SECTION 5.1 PAGE 40 STATING THAT THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER, NATURE OR GENERAL SCHEME OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE HERITAGE PARK DIVISION.

ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO INTERJECT FROM HEARING MR. HARB'S ATTORNEY, WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHEN THE DO THE TRAFFIC. A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD USE A CHILDCARE AMENITY ALREADY LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WOULD NOT BE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC. I THINK THE TRAFFIC COULD BE OVERSTATED SOMEWHAT. SO, 700 PLUS HOMEOWNERS BOUGHT INTO THE HARB FAMILY PROVIDENT -- PROMISE THAT THEIR HOME INVESTMENT BE PROTECTED. OUR HOME VALUES AND LIVES WILL BE AFFECTED NEGATIVELY BY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK . A DRASTIC DECREASE IN PARKING SPACES THAT ARE AMENITY CENTER WILL BE NOTED THAT ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. THE HARPS HAVE INCLUDED ONE COVERED PARKING SPACE BUT ALL OTHER PARKING WILL TAKE PLACE IN THE SAME PARKING LOT AS OUR CLUBHOUSE.

THERE WILL NOT BE ENOUGH PARKING FOR 703 RESIDENTS AND 12 RENTAL PROPERTIES TO ATTEND MEETINGS, PARK TO USE THE POOL THE FIELD AND OTHER AMENITIES. THESE RENTAL UNITS WILL BE VIEWABLE TO ALL TRAFFIC DRIVING ON WOODLAWN ROAD BY HERITAGE PARK AND THAT POINT WAS MADE BY MR. HARB'S ATTORNEY, HOW CLOSE THESE ARE TO THE ROAD. THAT IS A PEOPLE DRIVING BY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WILL LOOK IN AND SEE. A COUPLE OF OTHER VILLAGES ARE SECLUDED WITH BUFFERS. THESE BUILDINGS WILL NOT BE HIDDEN. HOMEOWNERS USING THESE COMMERCIAL RENTAL

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-- CAN I CONTINUE? >> WRAP IT UP.

>> OKAY. IN A FINAL STATEMENT, MR. HARB'S MAKES CLAIMS THAT THE SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY IS LACKING RENTAL PROPERTY. MR. HARB ONLY HAS THE DRIVE THREE MILES WEST OF HERITAGE PARK TO FIND THINK IT APARTMENTS AT STRATFORD HILLS, ONE AND TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS. WITH THE HUNDREDS OF APARTMENT COMMUNITIES BEING BUILT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IT IS FEASIBLE THAT A SMALL DAY CARE FACILITY WITHIN THE HERITAGE PARK SUBDIVISION AS NEEDED RATHER THAN MORE COMMERCIAL APARTMENT BUILDINGS. WE URGE YOU TO TAKE CONCERNS OF THE 703 HOMEOWNERS INTO CONSIDERATION . THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. MARK KELLY. >> MY NAME IS MARK KELLY AND I MOVED TO HERITAGE PARK AT 33 FOUR HEFFRON DRIVE IN JUNE.

EVERYDAY WALK OUT MY FRONT DOOR , EVERY EVENING THAT I STAND IN MY FRONT YARD AND BACKYARD , I CANNOT THINK OF A BETTER PLACE FOR I WOULD WANT TO LIVE. I MOVED FROM HOUSTON, TEXAS AT MY NEIGHBORHOOD WAS SURROUNDED BY APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH OVER 1000 APARTMENTS IN EACH COMPLEX. MY NEIGHBORHOOD WAS AN ISLAND AMONGST A SEA OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS. LIVING HERE HAS BEEN LIKE WONDERFUL AND I UNDERSTAND THAT 12 RENTAL PROPERTIES IS NOT A 1000 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX.

IT IS NOT WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. I CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT WHAT I KNOW, I CANNOT TALK ABOUT WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN. I CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT I HAVE EXPERIENCED, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND WHAT I HAVE LEARNED , I'VE TRIED TO BUY MY PROPERTY. FIRST OF ALL I NEVER CAME THE ST. AUGSTINE TO PURCHASE PROPERTY, I DID THIS COMPLETELY ONLINE AND IT DID THIS BY WORD-OF-MOUTH. I DID THIS IS MY REALTOR DRIVING TO THE PROPERTY IN SHOOTING A VIDEO OUT OF THE CAR. WHAT I SAW AND WHAT I LEARNED IS WHAT LED ME TO WANT TO LIVE HERE.

THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS AND LIKE I SAID WHEN I CAME UP WITH THESE AND TALKED TO MY NEIGHBORS, THESE WERE CONCERNS THAT WE ALL HAD AND MAY NOT BE UP TO DATE WITH. ESPECIALLY WHAT WAS IN A DOCUMENT 20 YEARS AGO. THE LOSS OF PARKING SPACES. IT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY CAN USE ALL BUT 12 PARKING SPACES IF HE WISHES.

THAT IS IT. 12 PARKING SPOTS ARE THE ONLY ONES WE ARE GUARANTEED FOR OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE WILL BE INCREASED TRAFFIC, WE TALKED ABOUT REDUCING THE TRAFFIC AND WHAT WAS NOT STATED IS THAT I BET IF A DAY CARE CENTER IS BUILT THERE , 90% OF THE PEOPLE WILL BE LEAVING TO GO TO WORK, DROPPING THE CHILD OFF AND CONTINUING OUT. THEY WILL THEN COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD , BECAUSE THEY LIVE THERE, PICK UP THEIR CHILD AND GO HOME. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF INCREASED TRAFFIC OFF OF WOODLAWN BUT IF YOU PUT IN THE TOWNHOMES THAT WILL BE THERE , THE RENTAL PROPERTIES.

THAT IS A LOT MORE TRAFFIC GOING IN. WE HAVE KIDS THAT GO THERE FOR THE BUS EVERY DAY, THEY RIDE THEIR BIKES, WALK, THEY USE SCOOTERS , THEY GO TO USE THE POOL AND THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE BASKETBALL COURTS AND THAT WILL BE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT FOR THEM TO DEAL WITH. DRAINAGE ISSUES. THAT PIECE OF LAND FLOODS. EVERY TIME IT RAINED A LITTLE BIT THAT AREA FLOODS. WHAT DO THEY WANT TO DO? THEY WANT YOU TO RAISE IT. WHERE DOES THE WATER GO? I WOULD NOT

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AND TEXAS IS DIFFERENT BUT IN TEXAS AMAN'S WORD IS HIS BOND , BELIEVE IT OR NOT WHEN I SHAKE YOUR HAND IF YOU AND I AGREE DO SOMETHING AND I SHAKE YOUR HAND IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAN THAT IS A LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENT, HANDSHAKE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS IN FLORIDA BUT WHEN A MAN PUTS HIS HAND OUT AND STATES THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT IS FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I TAKE HIS WORD ON IT AND NOW THAT PERSON IS GOING BACK ON THAT WORD. HE'S GOING TO TURN INTO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT COULD BE SOLD AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR

TIME . >> AT THIS TIME IF YOU DID NOT SIGN TO ALLOW TO SPEAK ON YOUR BEHALF, YOU CAN COME UP YOUR AND MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK. DID YOU SIGN UP THERE? OKAY THAT IS FINE BUT IF ONE OF YOU GUYS FIND TO ALLOW SOMEBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON YOUR BEHALF, THEN YOU CANNOT COME UP AND SPEAK BECAUSE YOU ALLOTTED YOUR TIME . BUT IF YOU SIGN UP IN THE FRONT THEN YOU ARE GOOD TO GO.

OKAY? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SOMEWHAT .

>> THANK YOU. I'M DAVID WILSON AND I LIVE IT 531 SIDECREEK LANE AND THAT IS RIGHT AGAINST THE BOUNDARY , I AM A MISSIONARY AND I'M AWAY 80 DAYS EVERY YEAR OVERSEAS AND WHEN I CAME BACK A FEW WEEKS AGO FROM THE AMAZON JUNGLE , I SAT ON MY PATIO AND ENJOYED THE BEAUTIFUL VIEW AND QUIETNESS.

I SEE A SURVEYOR STAKE RIGHT TWO YARDS IN FRONT OF MY PATIO AND THEN A FEW DAYS LATER IN THE MAIL I GET SOMETHING ABOUT THESE TOWNHOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT. THIS IS MY BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO RELAX AND RECUPERATE. GONE IS THE VIEW AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TOO HIGH WHEN YOU ARE DOWN HERE AND YOU ARE TRYING TO SEE. IF YOU GOT A BUILDING JUST OVER HERE, EVEN 20 FEET, THAT WILL BLOCK YOUR VIEW. IT WILL ALSO TAKE AWAY THE VALUE OF MY HOUSE. I'M 83 AND MY WIFE WENT TO HEAVEN LAST YEAR, MY SONS ARE GOING TO INHERIT THIS HOUSE AND THIS IS MY LIFE SAVINGS. MY PROPERTY WILL BE DEVALUED.

IT WILL LOSE VALUE AND THEN THEY WILL TRY TO SELL IT. I WOULD NEVER HAVE BOUGHT THIS LAND IF TOWNHOUSES WERE BEHIND IT. WE WERE NOT TOLD THAT THE LAND BEHIND US WAS PRIVATE AND COMMERCIALLY ZONED. MY SONS WILL BE IN A PROBLEM TRYING TO SELL A HOUSE THAT THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SELL AND THAT IS THEIR INHERITANCE. YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M THINKING NOW. WE'VE BEEN THERE 15 YEARS AND IT HAS BEEN WONDERFUL AND WE LOVE IT.

WE'VE HAD NO PROBLEM EXCEPT THIS. AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, THERE'S A PROBLEM OF FLOODING AND HERE'S THE PICTURE OF THE FLOOD. I TOOK THIS PICTURE RIGHT AFTER A BIG STORM AND THIS IS WHERE HALF OF THOSE BUILDINGS WILL BE. YOU SAY YOU

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WATCH THE BUSES COME IN. >> YOUR OVER YOUR TIME , I AM SORRY. YOU ARE OVER YOUR TIME.

>> I'M SORRY. CAN I HAVE 10 MORE SECOND?

>> SURE. QUICKLY. >> THE ANSWER TO THE WHOLE PROBLEM IS FOR THIS MAN AND WOMAN TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO THE HOMEOWNERS AT ITS APPRAISED VALUE AND THEN WE

CAN SOLVE THE WHOLE PROBLEM. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON I LIVE 272 ARBOR CIRCLE AND MY PROPERTY BACKS DIRECTLY UP , BACKYARD BACKS UP TO THE STREET ACROSS THE CLUBHOUSE AND I THE SINGLE LARGEST BACKYARD IN THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AND I BOUGHT IT FOR REASON. WE MOVED FROM FORT LAUDERDALE IN 2020 TWO GET AWAY FROM TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING IN SOUTH FLORIDA. WE CAME APPEAR DURING A PANDEMIC AND DIDN'T REALIZE THE LACK OF TRAFFIC WAS BECAUSE NOBODY GOES OUTSIDE.

STILL FAR LESS THAN FORT LAUDERDALE. I HAVE A YARD BECAUSE THEY HAVE TWO LARGE DOGS, I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT . HAVING A 40 FOOT TALL 12 UNIT PROPERTY DIRECTLY IN MY BACK YARD WOULD INFRINGE ON MY PRIVACY. I ALSO BELIEVE THE AMBIENT LIGHT THAT THEY SUPPOSEDLY WILL HAVE , I KNOW WHAT RENTAL PROPERTIES ARE LIKE AND THERE ARE LIGHTS ON EVERY FLOOR AND IT IS VERY WELL LIT AND IT WILL BE ANOTHER EYESORE OF LIGHTS COMING INTO MY BACKYARD, MY BEDROOM WINDOW.

IF I'M WALKING AROUND I DON'T WANT TO BE BOTHERED BY 12 UNITS LOOKING INTO MY BACKYARD. AT THIS POINT A LOT HAS BEEN STATED ABOUT THE PARKING LOT. THE CHILDREN IN SCHOOL BUSES THAT ROLL THROUGH , IT WILL BE MORE OF A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE IF THOSE BUSES HAVE TO INDIVIDUALLY GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENTS THE DROP THESE CHILDREN OFF . I'M AN EMPTY NESTOR AND MY KIDS ARE GONE BUT I DON'T NOTICE THE KIDS AROUND BUT THEY DO PLAY IN THE STREETS AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE BRINGING IN 12 MORE RENTAL PROPERTIES COULD IMPEDE ON THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN THAT YOU WALK AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT WILL IMPACT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WALKING TRAILS . AND THE FUNDING PERSPECTIVE ALSO COMES INTO PLAY. AT THE END OF THE DAY I DIDN'T DO MY DUE DILIGENCE FOR NO REASON. NOW WE'VE GOT 12 DIFFERENT SETS OF THREE BEDROOM HOWEVER MANY OCCUPANCIES MOVING INTO MY BACKYARD AND I WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE THAT BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT I MOVED HERE FOR. I LOVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. I LOVE ALL THE GREEN AREAS WE CAN ENJOY WALKING THE DOGS AND I JUST THINK THIS WILL BE A TERRIBLE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY . I THINK OUR PROPERTY VALUES WILL BE IMPACTED MORE SEVERELY THAN THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY BUT AT THE END OF DAY IT IS BRINGING IN A LOT MORE TRAFFIC TO AN ALREADY CONGESTED AREA WITH ONE ACCESS .702 RESIDENCE . I JUST HOPE IT DOES NOT GET APPROVED, THANK YOU.

>> HI AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THESE COMMENTS. WE ARE ALL PASSIONATE, HERITAGE PARK IS A

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LOCATED DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PROPERTY. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 11 YEARS. I'M EXTREMELY FAMILIAR WITH THE TRAFFIC AND THE NUANCES AS FAR AS KIDS AND ACTIVITIES. I WANT TO START MY COMPANY MR. HARP ON THE COMMUNITY AND WANT TO THANK HIM FOR CREATING A COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE READ WE ALL LOVE IT.

THE PASSION COMING FROM WHAT HE MADE AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT FROM THE START. OUR CONCERNS ARE THAT WE DEVIATED FROM THE ORIGINAL ATTEMPT . THE IDEA OF THE DAY CARE CENTER WAS A GOOD SELLING POINT AND A GOOD AMENITY OPTION FOR OUR COMMUNITY INITIALLY.

THE PROBLEM WHICH BECAME APPARENT IS THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE ROOM TO DEVELOP THE SIZE OF THAT DAY CARE CENTER AND HAVE IT BE FUNCTIONAL. HE HAS BEEN UNABLE TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO BE IN THAT SPACE TO UTILIZE IT BECAUSE IT IS A LIMITED SPACE . TO UNDERSTAND THE LOSS OF THAT OPTION FOR HIM. I WOULD SAY THE BEGINNING THE DAY CARE CENTER WAS A NICE IDEA BUT AN IMPROPER IDEA. IT WAS A NICE AMENITY BUT STILL IMPROPERLY PLACED. TO NOW ASK FOR REDUCTION WHICH I UNDERSTAND THE LAWYER HAS POINTS HE HAS TO MAKE BUT REDUCTION DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FOR US . THE MAIN POINT I WANT TO MAKE ABOUT THE RENTAL, AND OUR COMMUNITY THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY TIME IN HISTORY OF HERITAGE PARK THAT ANY BUILDING HAS BEEN BUILT OR HOME OR STRUCTURE SOLELY TO RENT. WE ARE NOT A RENTAL COMMUNITY. I WOULD LOVE MR. HARP TO CONTINUE TO TAKE PRIDE IN THE COMMUNITY HE BUILT AND NOT END HIS LAST MOMENTS, AS FAR AS DEVELOP IT, BY DOING SOMETHING THE COMMITTEE IS NOT APPRECIATE AND REALLY DOES NOT DO JUSTICE TO WHAT HE STANDS FOR. THANK YOU.

BELLAMY COVER UP THESE TROUBLESOME ISSUES BECAUSE AT THE TELL YOU AND YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT HERITAGE PARK IS ONE OF THE MOST OUTSTANDING DESIGN COMMUNITIES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, UNBELIEVABLE. JUST FANTASTIC. I HAVE HEARD ABOUT AREA F BEING A MULTI-FAMILY AND THERE IT IS AND THAT IS OUR RESIDENTS HERE AND WE HAVE TALKED CLEARLY ABOUT THE SEPARATION THAT OCCURS BETWEEN EACH OF THOSE AREAS. THIS IS A FANTASTICALLY PLANNED COMMUNITY. THOSE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS -- ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE HERE TO CONSIDER THAT AND I DON'T THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE. MAYBE THERE ARE STILL SOME TROUBLESOME ISSUES IN QUESTION BUT A LOT OF THOSE ON MY PART HAVE TO DO WITH ACCESS INTO THE MULTI-FAMILY -- ULTIMATELY JURISDICTION OF THEM DOES COME DOWN TO ST.

JOHNS COUNTY DEVELOPMENT CODE AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 5.03 , WE HAVE ARGUED SEVERAL OF THOSE AND THERE ARE MANY PLACES WITHIN 5.03 THAT DO TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES BUT I JUST

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>> THANK YOU . >> MICHELLE MARTINEAU I AM THE ATTORNEY FOR THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION , ADDRESS 110 SOLANO ROAD IN HUNTINGTON BEACH, FLORIDA.

THIS DEVIATES FROM THE PUD STANDARDS BY TAKING AWAY A COMMERCIAL USE THAT WHEN IT WAS ADDED INTO THE PUD WAS MENTIONED AS BEING FOR THE FACILITIES OF THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY. TAKING AWAY THE COMMERCIAL USE OF A DAY CARE CENTER FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OF USE TO THE RESIDENCE BUT CHANGING IT TO A COMMERCIAL RENTAL TAKES AWAY ANY SORT OF FACILITIES THAT COULD OPEN TO THESE INDIVIDUAL OWNERS. THERE IS ALSO AN ISSUE HERE WITH THE 12 UNITS IN THE PARKING AREA WHICH HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND MULTITUDE OF TIMES THAT ONE THING IS THAT THERE IS AN EASEMENT THAT THE PROPERTY HAS OVER THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARKING SPACES. THE REMAINING 40 SPACES OF THE CLUBHOUSE FACILITY. EVERYONE IS SAYING THAT THOSE CLUBHOUSE FACILITIES HAVE ONE FOR EVERY 300 SQUARE FEET AND THAT MEANS THE PROBLEM IS THAT IS THE ONLY PARKING FOR ALL OF THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES INCLUDING THE BALL FIELD , PICKLE BALLS, TENNIS COURTS, EVERYTHING BEHIND THE CLUBHOUSE. THAT CREATES A HUGE ISSUE WHEN YOU HAVE LESS THAN 40 OPEN SPACES FOR 703 OWNERS TO ACCESS THEIR AMENITIES AND THE FACILITIES THAT THEY PAY FOR. IT IS A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THERE'S AN EASEMENT NOW THE EASEMENT FOR THE DAY CARE WOULD BE TEMPORARY , LOADING AND UNLOADING PARKING. NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OVERNIGHT PARKING. EVEN IF THESE RENTAL UNITS HAVE GARAGES OR PARKING SPACES, THERE IS NOTHING TO KEEP THEM FROM PARKING IN THE SPACES THAT ARE MEANT FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. IN THE SITUATION YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENCE IN PARKING FROM A DAY CARE FACILITY, EVEN IF IT IS MORE TRAFFIC. PARKING OVERNIGHT WOULD BE WEEKENDS AND SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS CONTEMPLATED NOW.

THE MAJOR MODIFICATION APPLICATION IMPLIES THE NEW RENTERS WILL BE PART OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THAT IS A FALSITY. WE HAVE DONE A TITLE SEARCH AND IT DOES NOT SHOW THE HOA AS BEING A PART OF THAT LAND. THOSE FACILITIES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO ANY OF THE HOA FACILITIES AND WILL NOT FALL WITHIN THE HOA AND THE TOTAL RENTAL UNITS WOULD HAVE NO RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AND THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER ANY OF THE THINGS THE HOA HAS BECAUSETHEY WOULD NOT QUALIFY . WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO CONDUCT A SURVEY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS TITLE SEARCH IS CORRECT, WHETHER THEY FALL WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF OVERALL COMMUNITY. AND IF THEY DID , BECAUSE THESE WILL NOT BE IN THE RESIDENTIAL PLOTS THERE PLOTTED AS COMMERCIAL PARCEL AND IT WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO RECOVER THEM AS RESIDENTIAL LOTS BECAUSE THEY ARE PART OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

THIS AREA SHOULD BE PART OF THE COMMON ELEMENTS BY DEFINITION OF THE HOA. THIS APPLICATION IN AND OF ITSELF IS OBSTRUCTING THE RIGHTS OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

>>, BUT IF YOU'RE READY. >> I'M VERY NERVOUS. MY NAME

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WE BOUGHT A HOUSE FROM AN ELDERLY MAN WHO WAS MOVING ON AND LIKE MY NEIGHBOR SAID, I HAVE TO CONCUR. THERE IS SO MUCH TO LOVE ABOUT IT AND THE YOU TURN THE CORNER INTO IT N- YOU SEE THE PALM TREES AND THE CLUBHOUSE AND IT IS VERY PICTURESQUE. TO TAKE AWAY FROM THAT AND PUT THESE BUILDINGS THERE I THINK IT IS AN EYESORE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY CAN SAY THAT YOU NEED FACTS ABOUT THE EVALUATION. I DON'T SEE ANY VALUE ADDED. YOU ARE DE-VALUING, TAKING AWAY TREES.

YOU ARE RUINING THE NATURE TRAIL WHICH IS A PREDOMINANT PART -- AND I LITERALLY COUNTED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE A DAY OUTSIDE MY YARD EVERY MORNING WALKING, WRITING, DOGS, JOGGING, KIDS. EVERY DAY. THIS TRAIL AND SIDEWALK ARE UTILIZED AND I DO NOT SEE HOW WITH CONSTRUCTION, WHERE ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARK DURING CONSTRUCTION. WITH THE BUSES, THE KIDS GET DROPPED OFF EVERY DAY, IF YOU HAVE 12 UNITS , THAT COULD BE UP TO SIX PEOPLE THAT COULD ALL BE DRIVERS. WHAT IF THEY HAVE A PARTY? WHAT IF THERE LIGHTS ARE ON ON THAT? WHO IS VETTING THESE PEOPLE? DO THEY FALL UNDER OUR TRIAL -- HOA , WHO IS MAINTAINING THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING? WE HAVE TO GET APPROVAL TO GET NEW SHINGLES AND PAINT OUR HOUSE, WHO IS DOING THAT? I THINK THERE IS A SAFETY ISSUE. WE HAVE HAD PROBLEMS WITH OUR TENNIS COURTS BEING DAMAGED ARE THE PLAYGROUNDS BEING DAMAGED.

SOMEBODY DAMAGED THE GYM AND THE POOL, WHO IS VETTING THAT? I THINK THERE ARE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS THAN THERE ARE ANSWERS AND I LOVE WHERE I LIVE, I LOVE MY HOUSE AND THE TRANQUILITY OF THE NATURE ASPECT OF IT AND I THINK THAT IS WHY ALL OF US LIVE THERE. WE KNOW ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IS .

I OPPOSE COMPLETELY AND I THINK HAVING A COMMERCIAL THING THERE IS BENEFICIAL BECAUSE IT WILL KEEP ROLLING INTO COMMERCIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND COMMERCIAL. AND YOU.

>> FOR THE PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND

STEP UP TO THE PODIUM. >> I AM HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS MY COMPLETE DISMAY AT THIS PROPOSAL BY THE DEVELOPER.

HE'S THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND THEREFORE HE HAS PROPERTY RIGHTS. HAVING PROPERTY RIGHTS DOES NOT GIVE A ABSOLUTE LICENSE TO DO WHAT ONE WISHES , ESPECIALLY AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS. I DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERTISE TO DISCUSS THE SPECIFIC TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES THAT WILL BE EXPERIENCED , THERE ARE THOSE HERE WHO ARE BETTER ABLE TO MAKE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. INSTEAD I CHOOSE TO DISCUSS THE IMPACT OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE. THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THIS COMMUNITY IS DIVERSE RANGING FROM YOUNG STARTING FAMILIES TO OLDER RETIREES. EVERY SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION WILL BE NEGATIVELY IMPACT. SHOULD THE DEVELOPER BE ALLOWED TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH HIS PLANS. OUR CLUBHOUSES INJECT INTEGRAL PART IN THE LIVES OF THOSE WHO LIVE HERE. WE HAVE CARD GAMES, YOGA NIGHT, FITNESS CENTERS, WE HAVE SWIMMERS EXERCISERS. THE MEMBERS OF HIS GROUP CONCEIVABLY ARRIVED TO FIND A PARKING SPACES, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE THEM DO? GO HOME, PARK THE CARS AND WALKED TO THE CLUBHOUSE? I LIVE IN OAK HARBOR. THAT IS A TWO MILE WALK, WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE

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THIS IS TRUE FOR ALL GROUP'S IN OUR COMMUNITY. I WOULD NOT WANT THAT ON MY CONSCIENCE. NOW I WANT TO ADDRESS THE PARKING LOT. IF THIS PROPOSAL IS PASSED, WE COULD LOSE UP TO ONE HALF OF OUR PARKING SPACES. AS A RESULT MEMBERS COULD ARRIVE ONLY TO FIND NO PARKING AVAILABLE AND IF THERE IS PARKING, THE INCREASED TRAFFIC FLOW WOULD BE HAZARDOUS.

CONSIDER SOMEONE HAVING DIFFICULTY WALKING AND TRYING TO CROSS THE PARKING LOT. OR A PARENT FOR THE COUPLE OF EXCITED CHILDREN. WHAT WILL THEY DO? HAVE YOU TRIED TO CONTAIN AN EXCITED CHILD ? IN ADDITION HER MEMBERS WILL HAVE DIFFICULTY ACCESSING ALL OF OUR AMENITIES, FROM THE POOL TO THE CLUBHOUSE, FITNESS CENTER, THE WALKING TRAILS AND THE VARIOUS SPORTS. LET ME CLOSE BY SAYING THAT I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THAT THIS COMMITTEE WOULD PUT THE DESIRES OF ONE INDIVIDUAL ABOVE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. TRUE THAT THE INDIVIDUAL OWNS THE PROPERTY AND SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO UTILIZE IT ANY WAY HE SEES FIT, WITHIN REASON. THOSE OF THE KEY WORDS, WITHIN REASON. THIS IS

NOT REASONABLE. >> TIME.

>> URGE YOU TO VIEW ARGUMENTS IN AN UNBIASED AND IMPARTIAL LIGHT AND DENY THE PROPOSAL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM? >> MY BUZZER IS GOING UP FOR EVEN BEGAN SPEAKING. I AM EILEEN DONNELLY AND MY HUSBAND AND I ARE THE ORIGINAL HOMEOWNERS AT 758 EAST WOODBRANCH ROAD. I'M A FORMER FACULTY MEMBER AT J YOU , AND ANOTHER LIFE , WHERE I TAUGHT PUBLIC HEALTH , COMMUNITY HEALTH NURSING , COMMUNITY ASSESSMENT AND I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION. YOU SAW ME WALK UP HERE BEFORE I KNEW WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO SAY BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR OF THE CLUBHOUSE BECAUSE THAT AREA IS REALLY VERY WELL USE -- USED. SOMEONE SPOKE ABOUT THE SCHOOL BUSES AND THE YOUNG CHILDREN WHO DROPPED THEIR BIKES AND RUN AROUND FREELY. IN THAT ENVIRONMENT AS IT EXISTS.

THERE IS REALLY A BENEFIT THAT NOBODY HAS MENTIONED. THAT IS HAVING THE CLUBHOUSE USED FOR FAMILY ACTIVITIES, WEDDINGS , ANNIVERSARIES , BABY SHOWERS AND SATURDAY, WHEN I WENT OVER TO USE THE CLUBHOUSE THERE WAS A WEDDING AND IT WAS BEAUTIFUL.

I BROUGHT PICTURES TO SHOW YOU HOW THE PARKING LOT WAS FILLED ON A SATURDAY NIGHT, ALL NIGHT, SO, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SECURITY ISSUES AND THE LACK OF CHARACTER, AS WE KNOW IT TODAY. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT THESE PICTURES?

>> YOU CAN GIVE THEM TO MR. TAYLOR OVER HERE.

I LIVE AT 621 ARBOR PARKWAY. I LIVE THERE WITH MY HUSBAND FRITZ , I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE TWO OF US PLUS OUR DAUGHTER AND SON-IN-LAW WHO LIVE ON HEPARIN DRIVE. WE ARE UTTERLY APPALLED WITH THE NEWS OF THIS CHANGE OF USE AT NUMBER 227 HEPARIN DRIVE. AFTER MY HUSBAND FRITZ SERVED 20 YEARS IN THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE AND 29 YEARS AS A CONTRACTOR WITH THE USAF, LIVING ALL OVER THE WORLD , SERVING THROUGH NINE DIFFERENT WARS AND CONFLICTS FROM VIETNAM ONWARDS. WE SEARCHED FOR OUR IDEAL RETIREMENT HOME. FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH WAS QUIET, LOW DENSITY, FAMILY HOUSING , OPEN SPACES AND EASY ACCESS TO TRAILS FOR WALKS AND SPORTS FACILITIES. HERITAGE PARK FIT THE BILL. WE BOUGHT HER HOME

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THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS GOING TO BE 45 FEET HIGH, THAT IS WHAT IS ON THE PLANS. TALLER THAN OUR CLUBHOUSE, TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH ANYTHING ELSE IN HERITAGE PARK. A COMPLETE EYESORE TOTALLY VISIBLE FROM THE MAIN ROAD AND THIS WILL BE ON THE BEAUTIFUL GREEN FACE OF HERITAGE PARK AND IT WILL DENY THE HOMEOWNERS OF SIDECREEK LANE WHICH IS BUILT IN 2007 THERE PEACE AND QUIET, THEIR LIGHT, THEIR VIEW AND HIT THEM HARD IF THEY SELL AND THAT IS IF THEY CAN POSSIBLY SELL.

WOULD YOU BUY A HOUSE IN THAT MONSTROSITY IN YOUR BACK GARDEN? THIS ALSO DENIES THE RESIDENCE OF HERITAGE PARK AND PART OF THE CLUBHOUSE CARPARK WHICH WILL RESTRICT ACCESS TO NUMEROUS ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING OUR SCHOOL BUSES , EMERGENCY VEHICLES WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED AS OF YET. AND ALSO EXCESSIVE FUMES FROM WAITING CARS AND TRAFFIC.

>> THANK YOU. >> ABEL DENIES THIS PIECE OF

LAND -- >> MA'AM, YOUR TIME IS UP.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. >> MY NAME IS LINDSAY POLIN I'M AT 675 EAST RANCH ROAD AND I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY IN OPPOSITION. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THE APPLICATION STATES THAT THE PROPOSED UNITS WILL BE FOR RENTAL ONLY UNITS.

THIS APPLICATION DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS DUE TO A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE IN KEEPING THE EXISTING ZONING. I WANT TO PROVIDE YOU WITH MY FINDINGS OF FACT TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. FACTS, WE HAVE RECEIVED MANY EMAILS AND LETTERS FROM HERITAGE PARK HOMEOWNERS, HOMEOWNER STATING THE IMPACT THAT THESE APARTMENTS WILL HAVE DIRECTLY ON AN ALMOST TWO DECADE OLD ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY. THESE PHYSICAL EMAILS ARE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE OF THESE APARTMENTS WILL IN FACT IMPACT COMMUNITY. EXISTING ZONING, A DAY CARE WAS ALREADY KNOWN AND ACCEPTED BY PURCHASING HOMEOWNERS. IN FACT, THE CURRENT PUD INCLUDES MULTI- -FAMILY UNITS BUT HOWEVER THESE ARE HOMEOWNERS AND NOT RENTALS . AS THERE ARE NO OTHER RENTAL-ONLY MULTI-FAMILY UNITS INCLUDED IN OUR EXISTING PUD THIS IS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT WILL IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY. THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN OUR EXISTING TOWNHOMES. FACT, ADDING MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS WILL INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENCE IN THE COMMUNITY 24/7. THAT INCREASES NOISE AND STRAIN ON THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND AMENITIES. THIS IS COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT WILL IMPACT THE COMMUNITY . TAKE OUT OF OPERATING HOURS AND OFFERS NO ADDITIONAL STRAIN TO THE SURROUNDING AMENITIES. FACTS, PER APPLICATION ADDING THESE APARTMENTS WILL ADD MORE VEHICLES PARKED IN THAT AREA.

THE APARTMENT ENTRANCE WILL BE SHARING THE INTERESTS OF THE CLUBHOUSE AS WELL AS SHARED PARKING WITHIN THE EXISTING CLUBHOUSE PARKING LOT. THREE SPACES FOR THE APARTMENTS, LEBANON DESIGNATED AND 40 FOR THE CLUBHOUSE ONLY . THE PARKING WILL HAVE MULTIPLE ASSIGNMENTS AND THIS IS EVIDENCE THAT WILL IMPACT THE COMMUNITY AS SOMEONE WILL NEED TO MONITOR THE PARKING IS BEING UTILIZED CORRECTLY IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE CLUBHOUSE 40 SPACE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. PRETTY EVIDENCE PROVIDED, RE-ZONING OF THE LOT FOR ALLOWANCE OF RENTAL APARTMENTS FOR SINKS THE LISTING DAY CARE WILL HAVE AN IMPACT UPON OUR COMMUNITY.

CONSISTENT WITH BOARD OF COUNTIES I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER DENYING THE PROPOSED OF RE-ZONING AND KEEP THE

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>> BEFORE WE START, THANK YOU FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

IT IS GREAT TO HEAR. WE HAVE NOT GONE AWOKE.

>> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON I'M ROBERT DEVENS AND A 44 ONE HEFFRON DRIVE AND I'M A RETIRED MILITARY OFFICER . I WANT TO SAY IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF A NEW DEVELOPMENT TO REMEDY ANY ISSUE THAT CAUSES AN EXISTING FACILITY FIVE COMPLIANCE OF EXISTING CODE. PEOPLE DISCUSSED THIS BUT I WANT THE COUNTY TO GO BACK AND FIND OUT WHY THE AMENITIES CENTERED, HOW WAS ISSUED WITH THE PARKING LOT. IS IT IN COMPLIANCE TO BUILD A FACILITY? AS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE TO THE BACK OF THE FACILITY, I THINK IT IS ARCHITECTURALLY JUST PLEASING TO LOOK AT 200 FOOT BUILDING WITH BROWN WALLS. THE LAST THING IS THE BOARD DECISION ON HOW IT AFFECTS PEOPLE AND WONDERING WHAT IS YOUR MORAL OBLIGATION TO US? 10 YEARS AGO WE WERE IN THE SAME BUILDING IN THE SAME PLACE, TALKING ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US AND WE ASKED THAT THE BOARD FORCED THE DEVELOPER TO DISCLOSE THAT THERE WOULD BE A FIRING RANGE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT. THE BOARD SAID, NO, NO BECAUSE WE WILL BUILD A NEW RANGE ACROSS I-95. THAT WAS 10 YEARS AGO AND THE RANGE HAS BEEN BUILT AND MILLIONS OF TAXPAYERS DOLLARS WAS SPENT FOR THAT RANGE BUT TO THIS DAY GUESS WHAT RANGE OPERATES? THE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO THOSE POOR PEOPLE. THEY'VE LOST PROPERTY VALUES BECAUSE OF A DECISION MADE BY THIS COUNTY BOARD. YOU HAVE NOT SERVED THOSE PEOPLE WELL AND I'M HOPING THAT YOU WILL SERVE US WELL. THANK YOU

VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> HI , MY NAME IS JR NET AND I LIVE AT 779 EAST GRANT ROAD.

SO, ME AND MY FAMILY MOVED HERE FIVE YEARS AGO. I MOVED FROM CALIFORNIA LET'S SEE, 6.5 YEARS AGO. IT TOOK US 1.5 YEARS TO FIND WHERE WE WANT TO BUY. I FINALLY GOT A NEIGHBORHOOD I WANTED TO LIVE IN WITH MY THREE KIDS AND WIFE.

THERE ARE TWO FOOTBALL FIELDS THERE, SOCCER FIELD, TWO BASEBALL FIELDS. BASKETBALL GOALS, TENNIS COURTS, MULTIPLE PLAYGROUNDS , DOG PARKS, A NATURE TRAIL. AND A PART OF A HOA. NOW THEY ARE CHANGING IT FROM BEING A DAY CARE CENTER TO BEING A 12 UNIT MULTI- FAMILY APARTMENT. APARTMENT COMPLEX. RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT LITTLE STRIP OF LAND.

I WOULD HAVE TO WALK AROUND THIS BIG BUILDING IS BIGGER THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AS YOU DRIVE TO WORK IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, YOU WILL SEE THIS BUILDING EVERY DAY. IT WILL STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB. I HAVE A FIVE BEDROOM HOUSE WITH THREE KIDS IN MY GARAGE IS ALWAYS FULL.

IF YOU ARE BUILDING THESE SMALL APARTMENTS WITH SMALL GARAGES, GUESS WHAT? THERE GARAGES WILL BE FULL TOO , WHERE WILL THEY PARK? THEY WILL PARK WITH THEIR NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK. IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN ONE OF THOSE UNITS THEN GUESS WHAT? THAT IS MORE CARS. THAT PARKING LOT IS USED FOR -- THERE TWO BASEBALL FIELD, TWO DOG PARKS, A SOCCER FIELD, THERE IS A VOLLEYBALL COURT RIGHT THERE. THERE TENNIS COURTS AND PICKLE BALL COURTS RIGHT THERE. BASKETBALL COURTS. THERE IS THE POOL. THE CLUBHOUSE. IF EVERYONE DECIDED TO DO ONE OF THOSE THINGS IN ONE DAY, WHAT WILL HAPPEN? WE WILL NOT HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPOTS. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPOT AS IS.

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE HOA AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO USE OUR FACILITIES AS WELL. WE ARE TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I MEET SOME OF THE FLAG WITH MY KIDS AND I WILL

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ALLOWED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> CHUCK LABONOKSI . YOUR DIZZINESS IT HAS BEEN ON YOUR DOCUMENTS A FEW TIMES, ONE OF THINGS IT DOES NOT APPEAR ON YOUR, THE VERY SMALL DOTTED LINES, WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH THAT PATH? THERE IS WHERE THE PATH CURRENTLY GOES THROUGH WHERE THEY PLAN TO PUT THE APARTMENTS. HERE'S WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE PATH. THE QUESTION I HAVE, HAVE THEY CLEARED IT WITH THE HOA TO MOVE THE PATH ONTO THE HOA PROPERTY? FROM THE PROPERTY THAT IS THERE NOW. I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS BUT I THINK YOU'VE HEARD ENOUGH FROM THE COMMUNITY. I WOULD RECOMMEND TO GO BACK AND LEAVE IT AT THE PROPOSAL OF A DAY

CARE CENTER. >> THANK YOU. YOU CANNOT SPEAK

ANYMORE. >> I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE MORE

COMMENT. >> I'M SORRY. SIT DOWN. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS NOT SPOKEN SO FAR THAT

WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? >> MY NAME IS JOE AND WHARTON, 690 EAST RATHAUS RANCH ROAD. JUST A LITTLE BIT. WHEN THE GENTLEMAN REPRESENTING OUR DEVELOPER WAS MAKING SOME COMMENTS AND SHOWING SOME PICTURES, I NOTICED THAT HE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO ONLY SHOW THE TWO STORY HOMES IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT HIS THINGS WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO THAT. KIND OF IGNORING THAT MOST OF OUR HOMES ARE RANCH-STYLE HOMES AND WE HAVE TWO STORY HOMES BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMES ARE RANCH-STYLE HOMES, THEY ARE NOT 35 FEET TALL. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. ALSO WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW HE WOULD VERY WILLINGLY NOW CHANGE WHAT HIS PROPOSAL WAS , THAT MAKES ME WONDER WHY IS THE PROPOSAL COMING OUT NOW AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN CLOSED -- HAS BEEN SOLD FOR 10 OR 12 YEARS? HE HAS HAD 20 YEARS TO BUILD A DAY CARE CENTER OR USE THIS LAND APPROPRIATELY AND NOW THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE, IT IS COMPLETE, HE HAS MADE HIS PROFIT AND SOLD EVERYBODY WITH , WE MIGHT HAVE ONE MORE AMENITY, DAY CARE CENTER , AS A POSSIBLE BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND NOW EVERYTHING IS CHANGING TO A NEGATIVE IMPACT. STATISTICALLY CRIME GOES UP 30 TO 40% , DEPENDING ON WHAT REPORT YOU LOOK AT. ON RENTAL HOMES VERSUS OWNER-OCCUPIED HOMES. WE HAVE THAT TO CONSIDER AS WELL. IT GOES UP EVEN HIGHER, THINK ANOTHER 10 OR 12% WHEN YOU DO NOT HAVE A MANAGER ON SITE. YOU WILL HAVE 12 UNITS WTH NO MANAGER ON SITE, NOBODY MONITORING THE TRASH, THE PARKING , ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY. THEN WITH THE LIGHTING , SHE DOES HAVE 35 TO 45 FOOT, THE LIGHTING THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE FOR A HOME AND I'M AFRAID WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE SURROUNDING HOMES WITH LIGHT POLLUTION AND NOISE. A DAY CARE CENTER AGAIN, SO MANY OF THESE POINTS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AND I HATE TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE. I WILL DISCLOSE AGAIN, WE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED THIS, WE ARE NOT A DANCE TO THE DEVELOPER , WE ARE NOT AGAINST SOMEBODY BEING ABLE TO MAKE A PROFIT ON THEIR LAND BUT AT WHAT COST? MAYBE THE BEST THING WOULD BE TO SEE IF THERE WAS A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WOULD SATISFY THE INDIVIDUAL AND SELL THE PROPERTY TO POSSIBLY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO OTHER SPEAKERS, MR. WHITEHURST, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP?

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THIS IS THE TEXT ITSELF AND IT IS IN YOUR POCKET, THE REDLINE.

I'M GOING TO GO TO THE POINT WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE DONE. THIS GOES BACK TO SOME COMMENTS EARLIER THAT TALKED ABOUT HOW WE ARE TRYING TO PUT TOO MANY UNITS ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT IT IS INITIALLY WAS WORKED OUT TO BE APPROXIMATELY 358.37 ACRES AND THIS IS THE ORIGINAL TEXT, ANYTHING THAT IS NOT REDLINED IS WHAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2000 AND IT SHOWS THAT IT WAS FIGURING IT AT FOUR UNITS PER ACRE AND NOT SIX TO ALLOW A MAXIMUM OF 1434 UNITS AND PROPOSED MAXIMUM NOW , OR AN APPROVED MAXIMUM RIGHT NOW 703 , THE RECOMMENDED MAXIMUM OF THESE OTHER 12 UNITS WOULD BE 715 WHICH ACTUALLY WORK OUT THE TWO UNITS PER ACRE FOR THE PROPERTY ITSELF. HERE IS PAGE FIVE IN THE TEXT YOU WILL SEE UP HERE WERE TALKS ABOUT THE 45 FEET , CROSS THAT OUT. IT WILL BE LISTED AT 35 FEET, WHICH IS WHAT IS ALLOWED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, INCHED INTO NOTE, LOOK AT THE NEXT PAGE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT HEIGHT. THIS IS IN THE APPROVED TEXT ORIGINALLY.

HEALING LANGUAGE ADDED HERE IS JUST THAT IT SAYS HEIGHT BUT JUST DESIGNATES THE AREA. THE SECTION HERE, CAN YOU ZOOM IN

ON THIS? >> CANNOT BE FOCUSED? I

APPRECIATE THAT. >> THIS IS THE SECTION THAT IS ALREADY FROM THE APPROVED TEXT FROM 2000 AND THIS IS HOW IT READS. NO PORTION OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY STRUCTURES SHALL EXCEED 40 FEET IN HEIGHT, THAT MEANS THAT EVERY SINGLE-FAMILY IS ALLOWED TO BE UP TO 40 FEET AND THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2000.

NO PORTION OF THE MULTI-FAMILY STRUCTURES SHALL EXCEED 45 FEET IN HEIGHT. THAT IS WHAT WAS APPROVED ORIGINALLY. THE STATEMENT MADE BY ONE OF THE COMMENTERS WHO SAID WHY WOULD THEY EVER ASK FOR 45 FEET? THAT IS WHY WHEN ENGINEERS WROTE THIS INITIALLY THEY PUT 45 FEET BECAUSE THEY CARRIED IT OVER AND I'M TELLING YOU TODAY THAT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PREPARED TO GO TO EVEN THOUGH EVERYTHING ELSE IN THERE IS ALLOWED TO BE UP TO 40 OR 45 FEET, THEY ARE PREPARED TO AGREE TO THE 35 FEET FOR THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES. THAT SHOULD REST HEIGHT ISSUE THAT HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUND.

I WILL MOVE BACK TO PAGE 10 WHICH IS THE SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT THE RENTALS. THERE IS NO REASON THE NEED TO BE ANY STATEMENT THAT THESE WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR RENTALS AND THEREFORE THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT. THE STATEMENT THAT SHOULD READ DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, ON PAGE 10, THIS IS ALL IN YOUR PACKET, THE MAJOR MODEL ALLOW THE ADDITION OF TWO MULTI-FAMILY COMPATIBLE SIX UNIT BUILDINGS, TAKING OUT THE TEXT THAT TALKS ON RENTAL ONLY, WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION.

YOU WOULD MENTION -- YOU HEARD MENTION ABOUT THE RESTRICTIONS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WANT TO READ TO YOU WHAT IT STATES IN THEIR COVENANT RESTRICTIONS UNDER THE HOA. THIS IS ON THE OFFICIAL RECORD , PAGE 705 , RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THE PAGE, NOTHING HERE SHALL DEEM TO PREVENT THE OWNER AND AN OWNER IS ANYONE WHO OWNS A PROPERTY, FROM LEASING HIS UNIT FOR A PERIOD OF NOT LESS THAN 12 MONTHS. SO, EVERY UNIT IN

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JUST A COUPLE MORE THINGS. MADAM CHAIR, YOU HEARD SOME MENTION OF THE EASEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE HOA AND THE OWNER OF THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL. I WANT TO GO TO THE PICTURE OF THE PARCEL ITSELF BECAUSE IT SHOWS, I THINK I HAVE IT HERE. IT SHOWS THE FACT THAT THIS EASEMENT THAT WAS GRANTED WAS TO ALLOW ACCESS. THE ACCESS FOR THE DAY CARE WAS HERE AS WELL. EASEMENT ALLOWS THEM TO COME AND USE THIS. THE EASEMENT BETWEEN THE HOA WHO OWNS THIS COMMON PROPERTY AND THIS PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT TO SAY THAT YOU CAN CROSS THE HOA PROPERTY TO ACCESS YOUR PROPERTY AND IN ADDITION YOU CAN ALSO USE THE PARKING.

THIS HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 2006. THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR THAT. ALL THEY ARE ASKING FOR IS THE ABILITY TO HAVE ACCESS HERE, OBVIOUSLY AND PART OF IT IS THESE PARKING SPOTS WHICH THEY BUILT AT THEIR EXPENSE ARE ON THEIR PROPERTY , THEY ARE ASKING TO USE THREE ON THE END TO COUNT TOWARDS THE CALCULATION OF THE CODE AND THE TEXT IS WORKING. THEY NEED TO HAVE ONE EXTRA GAS -- GUEST SPACE FOR 12 UNITS. THE EASEMENT IS ACTUALLY LEGALLY BINDING IN EFFECT TODAY AND SAYS THEY CAN USE THE WHOLE THING. THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR THAT GRADE THERE ASKING TO COUNT THESE THREE TOWARDS THEIR PARKING CALCULATIONS. THE LAST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, THERE WAS SOME MENTION ABOUT THIS PATH IN THE PATHWAY ITSELF IS DRAWN INTO THE MAP ITSELF, THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED ONE AND THE PATH GOES ON THE HOA PROPERTY THROUGH HERE AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THE PATH HAS BEEN GOING THIS WAY AND THAT IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY ACTUALLY. THE PATH ITSELF WOULD GO BACK IN THE PLACE WHERE IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN APPROVED ON THE ORIGINAL MAP. LASTLY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME MENTION THAT THIS WAS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THESE ARE TWO OF THE PROPERTIES THAT BACK RIGHT UP TO IT. IS A 35 FEET OR 40 FEET BUT IT IS APPROVED FOR 45 FEET AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, THIS WAS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS, IT IS ACTUALLY ON A .19 ACRE AND IS ALMOST 4000 SQUARE FEET. THIS WHOLE PROPERTY, THE WHOLE BUILDING ITSELF AS I SAID WHEN MR. GREEN ASKED EARLIER, IT IS ABOUT 4800 SQUARE FEET. THESE PROPERTIES ARE COMPATIBLE, HEY ARE THE SAME SIZE, HEIGHT AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE MULTIPLE DWELLING UNITS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THERE ANYTHING IN COMPATIBLE TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA ITSELF . WE BELIEVE THAT THE AXIS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT WAS APPROVED AS APPROPRIATE FOR DAY CARE. THE AMOUNT OF TRIPS BY OUR EXPERT STAFF TELLS US THAT THIS WILL BE REDUCED. THE WAY THE LAW WORKS IS THAT IT IS NOT WITH PEOPLE'S FEARS ARE IT IS WHAT THE FACTS ARE. YOUR EXPERT STAFF TELLS YOU THERE'S A HUGE REDUCTION ENGINEERS TELL YOU WHO ARE PROVIDING THE REPORT AND APPLICATION TELL YOU THERE'S HUGE REDUCTION. THEY ARE PREPARED TO ADD MORE OFFER IF THAT IS WHAT THE SPORT WANTS OR THE COMMISSIONER WANTS FOR APPROVAL. BUT WE HAVE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER WITHIN THE CODE OR THAN THE TEXT ITSELF THEN WHAT WAS PROVIDED WITHIN THE DAY CARE AND WE THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE, COMPATIBLE AND MEETS THE CODES AND THE BENEFIT IS THE FACT THAT THERE WILL NOT BE 75 A.M. AND P.M.

PEAK HOUR TRIPS CLOGGING UP ONE ENTRANCE TO THE SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THIS MOVES FORWARD. AND THOSE ARE NOT MY FAX BUT FAX FROM THE EXPERTS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

>> MR. WHITEHOUSE , ONE OF THE CHANGES YOU INSERTED SAID ,

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BUILDING? >> MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING , I CAN TAKE OUT THE WORD COMPATIBLE, THE WORD COMPATIBLE DOES NOT NEED TO BE THERE. THANK YOU.

>> DR. HELENBECK. >> JAMES, GREAT REBUTTAL. YOU BROUGHT UP SOME EXCELLENT POINTS. YOU TYPICALLY DO. I DID FIND IT SOMEWHAT COMPELLING, THE ARGUMENT, THIS IS NOT TAKING TO THE EXPERTS ON TRAFFIC BUT THE FACT THAT THE COULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC AND POTENTIALLY UNIQUE SITUATION AND YOU GOT THIS GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD , WELL-PLANNED AND WELL THOUGHT OUT , WELL EXECUTED AND A LOT OF RESIDENCE AND THEY WOULD BE DROPPING CHILDREN OFF, IF IT WERE DAY CARE CENTER THERE.

THEY WOULD BE DROPPING THEM OFF, GOING TO WORK AND COMING BACK. THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN A TYPICAL DAY CARE CENTER OUTSIDE OF AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING HOW THAT MIGHT REDUCE TRAFFIC BUT IT COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL. I DON'T KNOW. THAT IS AN INTERESTING POINT THAT I FIND FAIRLY COMPELLING IN THAT JUST A DAY CARE CENTER SITTING OUT SOMEWHERE, THIS IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THAT. PLUS A DAY CARE CENTER WOULD NOT HAVE TRAFFIC AT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY AND NIGHT. MULTI-FAMILY UNITS COULD HAVE TRAFFIC AT ANY TIME VERSUS REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS .

>> ALL I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ENGINEERS ANALYSIS AND YOUR TRANSPORTATION CONCERNS THE EXPERTS ON STAFF, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIVE TRIPS AND 75 TRIPS IS ENORMOUS. EVEN IF THE 75 TRIPS WERE ONLY 40 TRIPS , STILL, 40 VERSUS FIVE, THAT INTERSECTION IS THE ONLY INTERSECTION TO GET OUT OF THAT SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

EVEN IF IT IS HALF, 40 EXTRA TRIPS IN THE MORNING WILL BE A DISASTER. I CANNOT TELL PEOPLE TO ACCEPT WHAT THEY SHOULD ACCEPT, I CAN TELL YOU IS WHAT THE EXPERTS ARE SAYING IN THE FACTS ON IT PEOPLE CAN SAY THAT MAYBE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD USE IT AND IT WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRIPS BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIVE WHICH IS WHAT, THAT IS NOT ME, THAT IS THE MANUAL SAYS THAT IS THE AMOUNT OF TRIPS WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. THAT IS HUGE. EVEN JUST THE TRIPS, TALK ABOUT THE LIGHTING, THIS IS A FULLY COMMERCIAL ENDEAVOR , WHAT IS APPROVED RIGHT NOW . FULLY COMMERCIAL WHICH MEANS THERE WILL BE LIGHTING BACK HERE. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT THERE WILL BE LIGHTING FROM APARTMENT BUILDINGS, OR FROM MULTI-VALLEY BUILDINGS, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A MULTI-STORY APARTMENT BUILDING WHERE HURTS MANY SAY THAT THERE ARE LIGHTS ON ALL THE DIFFERENT FLOORS, THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS. THESE ARE SIDE-BY-SIDE UPSTAIRS AND DOWNSTAIRS. THERE ARE THINGS BEING SAID THAT ARE NOT RIGHT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FACTS AND THAT IS ALL WE CAN BASE OUR DECISION ON, THE FACTS ARE THAT A FULLY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS MUCH MORE IMPACTFUL NOT ONLY FOR TRIPS BUT FOR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THAT'S WHY SAY WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED --

>> I AGREE WITH PART OF THAT AND THEY SAID AT THE BEGINNING, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DETERMINE HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT THERE MIGHT UTILIZE THAT. A STANCE ON THAT ONE. IT IS INTERESTING , LEAVE THAT MAP UP, IT IS PERFECT. I'M SURPRISED NOBODY HAS BROUGHT THIS UP BUT YOU GOT DEFICIENT ROAD SEGMENTS THAT WILL BE UTILIZED BY PEOPLE AND IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS THERE WE ARE TO HAVE THOSE WOOD SEGMENTS ON WOODLAWN AND STATE ROAD 16 .

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A LOT OF GREEN SPACE , IT IS A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD. -- IF YOU COULD PUT THE NEXT MAP UP PLEASE. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT , IT IS SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES ALL THE WAY AROUND. THE GREEN SPACE BUFFER, THEN WAY MORE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES BEFORE YOU GET OVER TO PARCEL F FOR THE CURRENT MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING ACCOMMODATIONS ARE. IT APPEARS TO ME THAT WHAT WAS DONE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS WERE SECLUDED -- THIS DOES NOT SEEM COMPATIBLE IN MY VIEW TO PUT A MULTI-FAMILY RIGHT THERE BETWEEN THE LARGE NUMBER OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW.

>> I ADDRESSED SOME ISSUES FROM THE LAND ABOUT ENCODING GRANTED HAVE ALL THE EXPERIENCE AS MY COLLEAGUES HERE BUT TO ME IT DOES SEEM LIKE OUR CODES DO DEFINE COMPATIBILITY AND THERE ARE SEVERAL WORDS HERE THAT I THINK ARE TRIGGERED BY WHAT WE HAVE HEARD AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, HARMONIOUS GROUPING OF STRUCTURES, PROTECTING THE CHARACTER OF SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS , THERE IS A LOT OF LANGUAGE IN OUR COUNTY CODES THAT SORT OF TO ME SPEAK AGAINST THIS TRANSITION AND DENSITY, INTENSITY SCREENING, BUFFERING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF BUFFERING YOU CAN DO WITH THIS AS THIS IS THE FIRST THING PEOPLE SEE AND IT WILL COMPLETELY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE ENTRANCE INTO THEIR SITE. GRANTED DEVELOPMENT WILL HAPPEN AND WE REALIZE THAT BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THESE HOMEOWNERS HAVE AN EXPECTATION AND FOR THEM TO BE ALL THE SUDDEN SLAPPED WITH THIS SHIFT IN THE REALITY THAT THEY HAVE BOUGHT INTO, 703 HOMEOWNERS, THAT TO ME SEEMS

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QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE BACK IN AGENCY FOR A MOTION .

RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR MOD 2023 E- 10 BASED UPON SIX FINDINGS OF FACTS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH CHANGES TO THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION LIMITING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS TO 35 FEET AND CHANGING THE PARAGRAPH IN SECTION F TO SAY THE MAJOR MOD WILL ALLOW THE ADDITION OF TWO MULTI-FAMILY SIX UNIT BUILDING. AND ELIMINATING THE VERBIAGE

RELATED TO RENTAL. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO

APPROVE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? MR. PETER? >> I WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS.

I AGREE THAT THIS IS NOT A COMPATIBLE USE FOR THE SITE.

THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN THERE A LONG TIME AND IS VERY WELL ESTABLISHED , THE OWNER DOES HAVE A RIGHT TO DEVELOP IT INTO MY MIND, DEVELOP A DAY CARE CENTER. TO CHANGE THE GAME 25 YEARS LATER -- VERY LATE IN THE GAME. PEOPLE CAME INTO THIS KNOWING THERE WAS A DAY CARE FACILITY AND TO HAVE THAT FLIPPED ON THEM NOW IS NOT A GOOD THING.

COMPATIBILITY , I THINK YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, COMPARED TO WHAT? IF THE EXPECTATION IS FOR DAY CARE, YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR BECAUSE DAY CARES ARE NOISY, TRAFFIC IS VERY MUCH CONCENTRATED DURING PEAK HOUR TIMES WHEREAS FOR 12 TOWNHOMES TRAFFIC CAN BE SPREAD OUT OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. I BELIEVE THE PROPOSED USE IS MORE COMPATIBLE THAN THE USED FOLKS BOUGHT INTO WHEN THEY BOUGHT INTO THIS AREA. IT COMPLIES WITH THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN , IT REDUCES THE TRAFFIC AND NOISE BECAUSE THERE ARE NO LIMITATIONS AS I RECALL IN HERE ON HAVING AN OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND , SO, GOD FORBID IF YOU WORK NIGHTS AND YOU LOOK BEHIND THERE, THAT WOULD NOT BE VERY GOOD. I ALSO BY TO LOOK AT IT AND WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I SEE WHY THEY'RE ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE AND A FEEL FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU BECAUSE IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE THAT PIECE IS PART OF THE HOA PROPERTY AND IT IS BEING TREATED AS SUCH . IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE BEST SOLUTION IS FOR THE HOA TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY IN SOME SHAPE OR FASHION HOPE THE OWNER IS WILLING TO DO THAT. ALL THAT BEING SAID I WILL VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO ME THAT IT IS MORE COMPATIBLE THAN THE USES OF THE OWNERS WERE TOLD ABOUT AT THE TIME. I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT A DAY CARE IN THAT AREA , IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THE HOUSES SURROUNDING OTHER THAT MIGHT LOWER THE VALUES EVEN MORE THAN A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT IT WOULD. THOSE ARE MY POINTS. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE WILL REGISTER A VOTE. SIR, PUBLIC, AND IS OVER. GUERRILLAS THE

AGENCY HAS A MOTION TO BE MADE. >> SIR. SIR, PLEASE SIT DOWN.

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OPPORTUNITY. >> NO, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD AND

SIT DOWN. >> I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT -- HAVE TO SIT DOWN. THE COMMENT HAS BEEN CLOSED AT THIS POINT.

>> THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND AND WE WILL REGISTER THE BOAT. -- THE VOTE . THE MOTION PASSES, 4-3. FOR THOSE OF YOU IN

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>> I DID A DRIVE-BY THE SITE.

>> I ALSO DROVE BY THE SITE TODAY.

>> I SPOKE WITH MR. ZACH MILLER.

TOM INGRAM, 1617 SAN MARCO BOULEVARD AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE LANDOWNER AND I'M THE AGENT ON THIS. THE SITE IS AT 4400 SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD. THERE IS OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM. WE HAVE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER AS WELL AS A DOMINION ENGINEER AND OUR OFFICES HERE. BY THE WAY THE LOCATION IS 28.37 ACRES , SECURE THE INTERCHANGE OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY AND I HAVE A 95 AND HAS ABOUT 1200 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON I HAVE A 95 AND IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE RING POWER HEADQUARTERS THERE. YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTO APPEAR THAT YOU HAVE THE MAIN BUILDING IN FRONT AND THEN A LAYDOWN YARD KITTY CORNER TO US. HERE'S THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THIS PRODUCT ACTUALLY PREDATES THE CONFERENCE A PLAN THAT WAS FIRST ADOPTED IN 1990 . THE CURRENT LAND USE BY THE WAYS RURAL SOLAR CULTURE. THIS ALLOWS VARIOUS AGRICULTURAL TYPES OF USES AS WELL AS THINGS LIKE WASTE TRANSFER STATIONS AND ALSO ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL USES AT ONE UNIT PER 40 ACRES UNLESS YOU HAVE A PARCEL THAT PREDATES THE PLAN IN WHICH CASE YOU ARE ALLOWED ONE UNIT. CURRENT ZONING IS RURAL AND HERE IS A NORTHWEST SECTOR OVERLY WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2002. IT SHOWS OUR PROPERTY AS WELL AS ALL THE PROPERTIES ALONG SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD AS BEING DESIGNATED FOR MIXED-USE COMMERCE CENTER AND THAT WAS THE VISION OF THAT PLAN. SO, THE PROPOSAL IS BEFORE YOU IS FOR 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES WHICH CAN ALLOW A VARIETY OF COMMUNITY AND COMMERCIAL USES . IN ADDITION WE REQUESTED APPROVAL TO DO A SALES RENTAL STORAGE AND REPAIR

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THIS CALLS FOR YOUR BUFFERING, 40 FEET IN HEIGHT, WE WOULD HAVE SIGNAGE OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE ONE SIGN 85 FEET HIGH , 250 SQUARE FEET BY COMPARISON THE WORLD COMMERC CENTER ACROSS THE STREET HAS FIVE INTERSTATE SCIENCE, 120 FEET HIGH AND 300 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. WE TALK A LOT ABOUT WHAT WAS HERE BEFORE AND THE EXPECT HAITIANS OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA . I WANT TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THIS AREA HAS CHANGED A LOT. IN 1986 THE ST. JOHN'S HARBOR AND PUD WERE APPROVED. THAT IS WHERE THE KING IN THERE, SIX MILE CREEK IS, A PRETTY LARGE DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT THAT PREDATES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AT THAT TIME THE COUNTY'S POPULATION WAS AROUND 70,000 AND LATER 1990 THIS PLAN WAS ADOPTED AND WE WILL GET INTO THAT. IN 2003 THE WORLD, CENTER WAS APPROVED. THAT WAS VERY POPULAR BECAUSE IT ALLOWED RAIN POWER TO STAY HERE BUT THERE HEADQUARTERS RIGHT ON A PROMINENT LOCATION IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AT THAT POINT THE COUNTY POPULATION WAS 142,000 , THEN IT TOOK A WHILE TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE NEARING A BUILDOUT OF THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER. AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE A SECOND PUBLICS OVER THERE, WE HAVE HOME DEPOT THAT IS COMING, WE HAVE COSTCO WHICH OPENED RECENTLY. BASS PRO SHOPS AND FIELD AUTO GROUP IS PUTTING INTO TWO OR THREE CAR DEALERSHIP SOMEWHERE CLOSE.

HERE'S THE COMPETENCE OF PLAN, THE ONE THAT SOME PEOPLE SAY , WE HAVE GOT TO KEEP THE SAME, NEVER CHANGE IT. I WANT TO PROVIDE BACK ROUND. THIS IS A 1990 OR ACTUALLY THE MAP EXISTED AT THE TIME OF THE FIRST SMALL-SCALE PLAN WHICH WAS THE EARLIEST I COULD FIND. FOR ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES IT IS THE SAME AS THE ORIGINAL MAP. IT IDENTIFIES THE VARIOUS RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES AND ONE OF THE THINGS IT SHOWED COME UP AROUND WHERE THERE IS THIS M WHICH STANDS FOR MIXED-USE AND THAT IS WHERE THAT SITE IS. I WAS EITHER HAS BEEN A TON OF CHANGE. IT HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED AS AN AREA FOR DEVELOPMENT. HERE IS YOUR 1994 MAP SHOWING WHAT THE AREA LOOKED LIKE BACK THEN. THE GOOD OLD DAYS AS SOMEWHAT SAY.

HERE IS 1999. WORLD GOLF VILLAGE HAS JUST OPENED AND A BRAND-NEW INTERCHANGE HERE , LITTLE BABY OAK TREES ON INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. AND FARM FIELDS WHERE WORLD

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THE POPULATION IS NOW OVER 300,000 AND WE LIVE IN AN MSA THAT IS AROUND 1.7 MILLION. THE AREA HAS GROWN. THERE'S ALSO STUFF ON THE OTHER SIDE. PARKLAND AS WELL AS THIS AREA AND HERE IS A GRAPHIC . OUR HOPE IS THAT WE CAN JOIN FIELDS ADDING ANOTHER CAR DEALERSHIP, OBVIOUSLY ALL THE STRIVE CARS AND WE NEED THEM SERVICED AND A LOT OF US ARE DRIVING LONG DISTANCES TO OUR DEALER FOR SERVICE AND WE BELIEVE THAT BY ADDING RETAIL AND SERVICE IN THIS AREA, WE WE CAN BETTER SERVE THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMUNITY. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CARS , TRIPS AND TRAFFIC YOU HAVE TO ASK WHERE IS IT GOING? WE HAVE SEEN TREMENDOUS RESIDENTIAL GROWTH IN THE AREA.

THANKFULLY IT IS AT A POINT WHERE IT SUPPORTS A LOT OF THE SPECIALTY RETAIL'S AND NOT JUST BARE-BONES. HERE IS YOUR OPEN RULE ALLOWED USES , WHICH INCLUDE THINGS LIKE AQUACULTURE, LIVESTOCK, BEEKEEPING AND THE LIKE. WE CAN RESPECTIVELY SUBMIT THOSE TYPES OF USES NOT BEING COMPATIBLE WITH THE SITE . AND ACROSS FROM AN INDUSTRIAL USER AND IN THE CENTER THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE INTERSTATE. WE'VE ALSO PROPOSED A TEXT POLICY THAT WOULD LIMIT OUR USE TO 100,000 SQUARE FEET . ASTA TRAFFIC , A COMMON TOPIC FOR HERE, THERE ARE OVER 1 BILLION DOLLARS OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS COMING INTO NORTHWEST SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY AND THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING ALL OF THAT TO THE PUBLIC. THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY COMES ACROSS THE RIVER AND IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IT IS A MASSIVE PROJECT AND IT WILL HAVE A LARGE EFFECT ON ST. JOHNS AND WILL TAKE TRAFFIC OFF OF 16.

THEIR IMPROVEMENTS PLAN AT THE INTERSECTION AT INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY , THAT IS INTERSECTION BETWEEN THE TWO AND THOSE ARE FUNDED FOR CONSTRUCTION. YOU HAVE THE EXTENSION OF 2209 FROM SILVERLAKE PARKWAY AND THAT GOES THROUGH WORLD GOLF VILLAGE THAT IS FUNDED FOR CONSTRUCTION. YOU HAVE THE WIDENING OF 16 TO WEST MALL AND THAT IS IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW. IT WILL COME BUT IT IS STILL IN THE PROCESS. AND FINALLY , 95 NEF D.O.T. AND THE FIVE-YEAR WORK PROGRAM IS SCHEDULED FOR CONSTRUCTION IN 2027 WHICH IS STILL WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT IS NOT A DONE DEAL BUT I WILL SAY IT HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE PROJECT DESIGN AND ENGINEERING PHASE. THE INTENT IS TO GO FROM THREE LANES ON EACH SIDE THE FOUR LANES ON EACH SIDE.

HERE'S THE INTERSECTION OF 16 IN SOUTH FRANCIS. AGAIN WE ARE PROPOSING TO PUT A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL. THERE WERE QUESTIONS ASKED IN THE DISCUSSION WITH THE STAFF AND THE D.O.T. ABOUT

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OKAY. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF THIS APPLICATION.

WE INITIALLY LOOKED AT THE SITE AND THOUGHT THAT THIS IS A GREAT MULTI-FAMILY SITE AND I STILL BELIEVE IT IS. I WILL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE RECEIVED IS THAT THAT WOULD BE A TOUGH GO AND IN FACT YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, THAT HAS BEEN RARE AND I THANK YOU FOR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ON THAT. IN THE PAST YEAR WE'VE HAD ALMOST 800 UNITS DENIED AND NONE HAVE BEEN APPROVED. WE WENT BACK , CHANGE THE APPLICATION AND APPLIED FOR 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL , ON FURTHER REVIEW WE BROUGHT BACK TO 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND WE BAND RESIDENTIAL USES AND WE PROPOSE THE CONDITION REGARDING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. WE BELIEVE THIS IS A BENEFIT AND PUTS THE RETAIL USES CLOSE TO THE USERS, WE THINK IT IS BEST IF PEOPLE CAN ACCESS THINGS LIKE AUTO MAINTENANCE AND SHOPPING CLOSE TO THEIR PLACE. IT WAS NOT THAT LONG AGO WHEN YOU SAW A LOT OF FOLKS DRIVING ALL THE WAY UP TO ST.

JOHNS TOWN CENTER. AN IRONIC NAME FOR A SHOPPING CENTER IN JACKSONVILLE. THIS INFAMOUS THE NORTHWEST SECTOR. SO, ANY

QUESTIONS? >> TOM, THE ONLY THING THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS IS THAT THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH ALONG SOUTH FRANCIS ARE RURAL AND ARE SPLIT UP IN SUCH A FASHION THAT CONSOLIDATING THEM AND INCREASING THE DENSITY PROBABLY WILL NOT HAPPEN FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. WHAT IS THE TRAFFIC CAPACITY TO THE PROJECT , WHAT IS THE PERCENT THAT IS BEING UTILIZED AND HOW MUCH DO WE ADD TO IT? CAN YOU

TELL ME THAT? >> MIGHT BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE STAFF. I CAN SAY IT IS NOT TRACKED BY THE CONCURRENCY SYSTEM. IT'S THE LOWER GRADE ROAD BUT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN

IT. >> OKAY. MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, IF YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE A VEHICLE SALES FACILITY THERE, WITH THE APPLICANT CONSIDER POSTING SIGNS AND NOT ALLOWING BIG DELIVERY VEHICLES TO COME DOWN SOUTH FRANCIS? NOT THAT THEY CAN HAVE AN ARMED GUARD AT 16 BUT IT COULD BE POSTED TO SAY, NO VEHICLES OVER A CERTAIN WEIGHT

OR NOT ALLOWED. >> I BELIEVE WE COULD TO TRY TO DIRECT THE TRUCK TRAFFIC BACK TOWARD WORLD COMMERCE.

>> AGAIN THERE WILL NOT BE AN ARMED GUARD THERE BUT --

>> HI. I APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE. YOU'RE REFERRING TO SOUTH FRANCIS WROTE SPECIFICALLY ?

>> REALLY I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM THE PROPOSED SITE BACK TO

16. IT IS A RURAL SECTION. >> IT IS AND THAT IS NOT ON OUR MAJOR ROAD NETWORK AND WE DON'T DO ANNUAL ACCOUNTS ON IT. WE CAN ASK FOR COUNTS AND WE HAVE BEEN MONITORING THE INTERSECTION AT 16 AND AS FAR AS HOW MUCH TRAFFIC THEY WOULD GENERATE , THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION AND REVIEW WHEN WE ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THEY ARE BUILDING. THERE PROPOSING MAYBE A CAR DEALERSHIP BUT UP TO 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF SOME TYPE OF NON-RESIDENTIAL AND WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT INTERSECTION AGAIN AT THAT TIME AS A SITE

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>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> DR. HELENBECK.

>> TOM, GREAT TO SEE YOU. WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. I DEFINITELY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I ASSUME THIS IS UNDER SINGLE OWNERSHIP . YOU GOT 28.37 ACRES OF LAND AND 10.29 ACRES OF WETLANDS. THAT IS 36% WETLANDS ON THIS PROPERTY. YOU WILL IMPACT OVER HALF OF THAT. JUST UNDER 20% OF THE WETLANDS ON THAT SIDE WILL BE IMPACTED WHICH I THINK IS EXCESSIVE. MY QUESTION IS, THIS A SINGLE PARCEL IS I ASSUME, YOUR RE-ZONING THE ENTIRE PARCEL JUST FOR 100,000 SQUARE FEET AND BUILDING 580 PARKING SPACES? IS THAT

CORRECT? >> ULTIMATELY THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES REQUIRED WILL BE TO GO ALONG WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BECAUSE SOME COMMERCIAL USE ARE DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS BUT THE ENTIRE PARCEL WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A PUD WITH A MAXIMUM OF 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL PLUS

POTENTIAL CAR DEALERSHIP. >> WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING ON JULY 27TH , AT THAT TIME YOU WERE POSING COMMUNITY/COMMERCIAL AND THEN AFTER THE MEETING YOU CHANGE THAT TO MIXED-USE. WHY DID YOU DO THAT?

>> BECAUSE STAFF INSISTED THAT WE COULD NOT SAY COMMUNITY , COMMERCIAL, PLUS CAR DEALERS. THEY SAID, YOU CANNOT GO UP, YOU CAN GO DOWN. IN THE HIERARCHY. BECAUSE CAR DEALERSHIPS IS AN INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL PLAN USE, BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE, YOU DON'T WANT TO GO UP. RATHER THAN FIGHT ABOUT IT WITH TERESA IN THIS MEETING, WE SAID, WE'VE GOT TIME TO CHANGE IT. THE SUBSTANCE DID NOT CHANGE .

>> OKAY. MY NEXT QUESTION AND YOU PARTIALLY ANSWERED IT. I'M AFRAID SOMEONE WILL COME BACK IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE NOT YOU AND SAY WE CHANGED OUR MINDS ANYONE HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL IN THERE NOW. AND IT IS MIXED-USE, SO, WE CAN HAVE RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? WHY DIDN'T YOU GO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE?

>> BECAUSE THAT TYPE OF REQUEST WILL OVERSTATE WHAT ARE INTENDED DEVELOPMENT IS AND WE DON'T WANT TO SCARE PEOPLE WITH INTENSITY TO PROPOSAL. EVEN THOUGH CAR DEALERS ARE CONSIDERED A TYPE OF INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USE IN SOME RESPECTS AT LEAST, IS ACTUALLY LESS INTENSE THAN SOME OF THE REGULAR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL USES. WE FELT LIKE -- I MEAN IT'S ONLY SOMEONE CAN APPROACH IT THAT WAY BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO GO. WE TRIED ONE AND STAFF WANTED IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT. AND WE SAID OKAY. SO

HERE WE ARE. >> OKAY.

>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT DRAINAGE IN THE CENTRAL AREA.

I LOOKED AT THE TOPOGRAPHY MAPS AT ALL, WHICH WAY DOES THE WATER FLOW THROUGH THAT SYSTEM? DOES A FLOW THE NORTH AND UNDER I-95? HOW DOES IT FLOW? AND WITH YOU TAKING 20% OF THE WETLANDS, 20% OF THE PROPERTY , 5.6 ACRES OF WETLANDS IN THE PAST I THINK IT IS. IF IT DOES FLOW UNDER THE INTERSTATE, TO THE IMPACT CONSERVATION LAND?

>> NO. THE PROPERTY DRAINS BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH , I HAVE A 95 CERTAINLY HAD AN IMPACT ON THE SURFACE WATER SYSTEMS . A

>> NO DOUBT. AND WE HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT CONSERVATION ERRORS .

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>> WILLIAM SCHAEFER , THANK YOU. ABOUT HALF OF THIS PROPERTY DRAINS NORTH TO WHAT ONE AREA ON THE EAST SIDE AND THEN THE AREA THAT YOU ARE POINTING OUT DRAINS DIRECTLY SOUTH. WE ALREADY LOOKED AT THIS WITH REGARDS TO DRAINAGE AND WE WILL MOVE THE DRAINAGE TO THE SOUTH TO THE

CONSERVATION AREA LANDS . >> OKAY. 'S PERIOD IT IS COMMON TO HAVE IF IT IS FLOWING IN TWO OR MORE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. SPEECH LOOKING AT YOUR MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WILL SEVER THAT CONNECTION BEFORE IT GOES UNDER ON I-95. TO MEET IS NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND OR ACCEPTABLE. IN THE WATER FEET INTO THE ST. JOHNS RIVER AND

12 MILES OF SWAT. >> IF YOU LOOK AT OUR SITE PLAN. WE HAVE TWO PONDS, ONE ON THE NORTH AND THAT WOULD CAPTURE WATER TREATED AND RELEASE IT SLOWLY BACK TO THE NORTH. THE POND IN THE SOUTHERN END WOULD CAPTURE THE WATER ON THE SOUTHERN END AND IT WOULD THEN RELEASE IT EASILY SO WE WILL NOT IMPACT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY WHERE I THINK IT IS BETTER SUITED TO GO.

>> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE HOLDING BECAUSE SPECIFIC DETAIL THAT WETLAND IMPACTS, CONSERVATION AREAS BUT WHAT ARE WE BEING ASKED TO VOTE ON? YOU ARE PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF THAT BUT HOW YOU WILL DEVELOP THE SITE. I EVEN HESITATE TO CALL THIS A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT IS NOT AN INCREMENTAL PLAN IT IS A VAGUE NOTION AND YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY GOT CERTAIN CONCRETE THINGS THAT YOU PLAN ON DOING YET THE REST OF THE PROPERTY WE ARE BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT THIS BLANK SLATE AND I LIKE TO SEE MORE DETAIL BECAUSE THERE IS NOT MUCH

DETAIL. >> IT IS COMMON PRACTICE FOR THE COUNTY TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY ON HOW BUILDINGS ARE ORIENTED WITHIN A SHOPPING CENTER. EVERY END USER HAS THEIR OWN FAMILIARITY'S. IT SHOWS HOW TO ORIENT THEIR BUILDING WORLD COMMERCE CENTER, 951 ACRES AND I'M SURE EVEN THE LYSATE IS MOSTLY BUILT OUT, I EXPECT

DETAILED PLANS. >> THIS IS VAGUE AND I WILL SAY, I KNOW THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS OF THE AGENCIES ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS DOWN THE ROAD WE ARE BEING ASKED TO PROVE SOMETHING BUT I DON'T EVEN GET , THAT CONCERNS ME AND I DON'T LIKE THIS TO BE SHOWING INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS , NOT THAT I DO NOT TRUST THE STAFF TO DO A GREAT JOB BUT I LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON. IF MARIA -- MARIE COULD PLEASE PUT UP THE TRANSPORTATION MAP AND SHOW US THE DEFICIENT ROADWAY SEGMENTS , THIS IS WHAT REALLY CONCERNS ME. WE CAN TALK ABOUT INCOMPATIBILITY , 1.3.11 BECAUSE OF THE LANDS DUE SOUTH OF THIS AND SOME LARGE ACREAGE AND TRACKS AND SO FORTH. BUT YOU ARE SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF SOME OF THE WORST AND MOST DEFICIENT ROADS IN THE COUNTY.

YOU HAD A NICE TABLE THERE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WILL BE FUNDED AND MOST OF THOSE ARE WEST OF THERE. RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOT A LOT OF REALLY GREAT RELIEF FOR STATE ROUTE 16 ON DOWN PAST I-95. INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAYS

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.70, .302 , 166.6% BASED ON TRAFFIC, THAT IS HOW BADLY IT IS DEFICIENT. 92.11, AS PART OF STATE ROUTE 16 , 143% CAPACITY AND 228.5 PERCENT CAPACITY BASED ON TRAFFIC, 92 POINT 12 CURRENTLY OPERATING 147.7 OF CAPACITY BASED ON -- AND 247.8% OF CAPACITY BASED ON TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC. THAT IS NOT EVEN WITH ALL THOSE APARTMENTS BEING BUILT , THEY ARE NOT OCCUPIED YET , WE GOT THE NEW PUBLIX COMINGIN, THE COMMERCE CENTER THAT CONTINUES TO EXPAND , THE BASS PRO SHOP, HOME DEPOT, THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST TRAFFIC , I WILL CALL IT A NIGHTMARE. OVERCAPACITY AND DEFICIENT ROADWAY SYSTEMS AND A LOT OF THAT FUNDING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT THIS, I DON'T SEE WHAT A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD IS GOING TO DO, OTHER THAN ALLOW PEOPLE TO TURN RIGHT FROM ST. FRANCIS ROAD ONTO 16.

IF THEY TURN LEFT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO ANYWHERE, VERY FAR. SO, I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT WE APPLIED PLAN POLICY 8.25 SEE THAT THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO HANDLE WHAT IS ESTIMATED BY THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT , 3700 POINT -- 3700 AVERAGE WEEKDAY TRIPS .

3700 WEEKDAY TRIPS IN WHAT IS ALREADY A REALLY OVERBURDENED AREA. HOW CAN WE GET AROUND THAT? WHEN YOU HAVE 1200 FEET OF ON I-95. WHEN YOU'RE ACROSS FROM AN AN AREA FOR GROWTH GOING BACK TO INTERSTATE 95 IN THE WHAT? 50S. IT'S BEFORE MY TIME, BUT THIS IS WHERE GROWTH SHOULD HAPPEN. IT ALL POINTS IN TIME FROM 1994. ONE COULD ALWAYS GIVE A SPEECH . IT IS THE COURSE OF EVENTS. WE CANNOT AFFORD AS TAXPAYERS TO SPECULATIVELY WIDEN STATES TO 10, 20 LANES IN ANTICIPATION OF FUTURE GROWTH COMING FIVE, 10, 20 YEARS FROM NOW. THAT SAID I THINK THE COUNTY IS ON IT. THEY HAVE A PLAN THAT'S AROUND $500 MILLION THIS YEAR. THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF GOING. THEY LAUNCHED A WEBSITE TO HELP EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS HAPPENING. IT IS NOT ONE OF THOSE HOPELESS CAUSES. WHICH IS THE DOMINANT NARRATIVE. JUST LAST YEAR WE'VE GOT ALL THIS GROWTH. WHAT ARE WE DOING? IN REALITY THE COUNTY IS WORKING REALLY HARD ON THIS. AND IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE. AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THE FOLKS. THE CONCERNS YOU HEAR. THERE ARE FOLKS THAT MOVED HERE. THIS IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING AREAS IN THE COUNTRY. FOR GOOD REASON. IF ANYBODY CAME HERE ON THE LAST 30 YEARS, AND IS SHOCKED ON THE GROWTH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL THEM. IT'S BEEN NOW, AND FOREVER. YOU TAKE THE GOOD WITH THE BAD. THE GOOD IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE THIS FAR. I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE. SO, ANYWAY THANK YOU. SORRY TO KEEP DEBATING.

>> NO, THAT'S FINE. I APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT. ONE BY APPROVING THIS. THE ROADS ARE EXTREMELY

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LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENS. YOU START DOING ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

THE MORE DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN. BY THE TIME THEY ARE FINISHED THEY ARE ALREADY OBSOLETE. THEN YOU'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE. THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OBSERVATION. LOOKING

AT LIFE. >> IT IS FUNNY, BECAUSE SOME WOULD SAY WE CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING, BECAUSE WE NEED MORE ROAD CAPACITY. THEN THEY GET MORE CAPACITY. THEN THAT'S THE JUSTIFICATION TO ADD MORE STUFF. SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO WONDER. FOR EXAMPLE, THE BRIDGE OF ALLIANCE INTERSECTION IN DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE IS PROPOSED TO BE RECONFIGURED TO ALLOW FOR MORE TRAFFIC FLOW. WELL, I IMMEDIATELY WROTE THE NT AND SAID DON'T DO IT. PEOPLE COME TO DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE BECAUSE THEY CAN WALK. DON'T PRIORITIZE TRAFFIC OF PEOPLE WALKING. SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE VISITING DON'T EVEN -- THEY DRIVE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO, ANYWAY SOMETIMES IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT. TO YOUR POINT.

>> I THANK YOU FOR WRITING D.O.T. ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION, BECAUSE I WENT THROUGH THERE A LOT.

>> I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND THE TRAFFIC. IT'S JUST PART OF THE

CITY. >> I DO.

>> WELL, THEY ARE TAKING COMMENTS.

>> OKAY. THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY FOR NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THOSE WERE SOME GOOD ANSWERS.

>> THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. OSBORNE. YOU HAVE IN YOUR NDP THAT YOU ARE GOING TO -- MR. INGRAM I APOLOGIZE. YOU'RE GOING TO NOT HAVE RESIDENTIAL ALLOWED IN THIS APPROVAL. BUT, WHAT IS TO PREVENT THIS -- WHAT IT'S CHANGED TO MIX USE FROM LOCAL COMING IN. IF THIS DOESN'T FLY. IT DOESN'T REALLY SEEM LIKE THEY REALLY HAVE LOCKED IN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING THEIR BUSINESS IN THIS SPOT. AND I THINK I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM WITH THE NDP. IT JUST IS REALLY NOT VERY MUCH THERE. HOW IS THIS GOING TO LOOK? HOW IS THIS GOING TO FIGURE? SO, COULD YOU COMMENT TO THAT? EVEN IF WE ADDED AN AMENDMENT I DO BELIEVE -- I DON'T KNOW I THINK I TALKED TO MR. TAYLOR ABOUT THIS. WE ARE NOT EXACTLY SURE OF ADDING A COMMENT MIGHT PREVENT LOCALS FROM COMING IN.

I DON'T KNOW. >> SURE. I CAN TALK ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS HERE. FIRST, ON A SITE PLAN. WHAT YOU DO SEE IS WHAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT GOING TO LOOK LIKE FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROAD? AND WE HAVE PROPOSED A 30 FOOT SCENIC EDGE ALONG THE ENTIRE ALONGSIDE FRANCIS ROAD. WE ALSO PROPOSE A 35 FOOT SCENIC EDGE ALONGSIDE THE REST OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.

INCLUDING ALONG 95. SO, ONCE YOU DRIVE INTO IT YES THAT'S TRUE. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN IT. BUT, NOW YOU'RE DRIVING INTO IT. AND I ASSUME YOU DID VOLUNTARILY. IF AESTHETICALLY IT WAS SO OFFENSIVE. I AM NOT A MEMBER OF COSTCO FOR EXAMPLE. I DON'T HATE THEM OR ANYTHING. BUT, I JUST DON'T HAVE AN URGE FOR A 10,000 PACK OF TOILET PAPER. BUT COME ANYWAY THAT'S THAT. ON THE LIVE LOCAL ACT THAT'S A STATUTE. SO, THE COUNTY HAS SUCH POWERS THAT ARE NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE LAWS OF THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE. SO, WHETHER ANYTHING THAT IS WRITTEN IN OUR P.O.D. YOUR COMP PLAN CAN OVERRIDE THE FLORIDA STATUTES IT WOULD BE CORRECT TO KNOW THAT THE STATUTES GOVERN . WHAT WE HAVE DONE SO IS TO PUT INTO THE CONFERENCE OR PLAN THAT NO RESIDENTIAL USES WILL BE ALLOWED. THAT'S IN THE TEXT AMENDMENT, AND THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT. BUT, YEAH. CAN THE LEGISLATURE NEXT SESSION SAY, MULTIFAMILY IS ALLOWED IN ALL MIXED USED DISTRICTS .

ANYWHERE, AND ANYWHERE. ANY TYPE. YEAH, THEY COULD DO THAT.

THERE'S NOTHING INHERENT ABOUT ZONING THAT MAKES IT A LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXERCISE EXCEPT FOR HISTORY, REALLY AT THIS POINT.

AND IT'S A PUSH, AND PAULA. SOMETIMES THE STATE HAS BEEN MORE ON THE ANTI-GROUP SIDE BACK IN THE 80S, AND 70S. THE GROUP MANAGEMENT ACT. NOW THE PENDULUM SWUNG. I'M SURE WERE NOT DONE. I'M SURE IT'LL KEEP SWINGING.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. THAT DOES HELP OUT A LOT. I APPROACHED THIS SITE ON MY LITTLE DRIVE-THROUGH FROM THE 16 AND SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD. AND HAVING READ THE PLAN, AND NOT BEING SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA EXCEPT FOR COSTCO

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PROPERTY ALONG THAT EDGE. >> YEAH, THE SAME IS TRUE WHEN WILLIAM BERTRAM WAS WRITING HIS JOURNAL. HE WAS PADDLING DOWN THE ST. JOHNS RIVER. THERE WERE FIRMS ALONG -- I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGE OVER THE PAST FOUR CENTURIES HERE. AND IN PARTICULAR THE LAST FEW DECADES. IT IS NOT THAT UNCOMMON TO HAVE THE 10 ACRE SIDES THAT PREDATES. THAT I THINK IN THIS CASE THE SOUTH FRANCIS PROBABLY PREDATES INTERSTATE. BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOUTH FRANCIS AND NORTH FRANCIS. MY GUESS IS THAT WAS ALL THERE, AND SUBDIVIDED A BIT. BUT, IT'S NOT COMMON. YOU HAD, AND STILL HAD SOME OF THE SMALL TRACKS AROUND NOCATEE. YOU HAVE THEM AROUND ROSCOE ROAD, AND QUANTITY TOO. THEY ARE ALL OVER. NOTHING ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSES TO UNDO THE QUOTE UNQUOTE RURAL LIFESTYLE OF BEING ABLE TO OWN HORSES , AND WRITING MALWARE AND ALL OF THAT. WHILE AT THE SAME TIME BEING FIVE MINUTES FROM AN INTERSTATE INTERCHANGE. THERE ARE VERBAL PLACES IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA. THEY ARE NOT AS MUCH HERE. YOU HAVE HAMILTON COUNTY. BRADFORD COUNTY. LOST POPULATION. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THAT. BUT, YEAH. YOU HAVE THESE BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY HOMES. PEOPLE ARE VERY PROUD OF. BUT, NOT EVERYBODY HAS LIVED THERE FOUR OR FIVE DECADES EITHER.

AGAIN, WHEN YOU HAVE AN INTERSTATE THAT CONNECTS MAINE TO MIAMI. THERE DOES COME CHANGE WITH THAT. IF THERE WEREN'T I-95. IF THERE WASN'T AN INTERCHANGE I'M SURE I WOULDN'T BE ASKING FOR A CAR DEALERSHIP.

>> NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S GOOD. I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR GETTING YOUR NAME WRONG. AND I WANT TO EXPLAINA LITTLE BIT.

MY HUSBAND, AND I LIVED IN NEBRASKA FOR QUITE A WHILE. TOM OSBORNE WAS THE COACH FOR THE OSCARS. JUST THE NAME POPS OUT WHENEVER I SAY TOM. SO, I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. YOU GUYS ARE IMPORTANT, AND I DO KNOW YOUR NAME SIR.

>> YOU KNOW A LOT MORE RURAL THAN ME.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? PLEASE

COME FORWARD. MR. MILLER. >> GOOD EVENING. ZACH MILLER THREE 203 OLD BARN BOARD. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF HER PRESENTING COURTNEY BLACKBURN, AND ANTHONY BAR TECH. THEY OWN A PROPERTY AT 4360 SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD. A LITTLE BACKGROUND. I GOT CALLED ABOUT A MONTH AGO, AND I TOLD THEM I DON'T USUALLY REPRESENT PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST DEVELOPING. I USUALLY REPRESENT PEOPLE THAT ARE FOR DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE BOWELS I HAD WHEN I WAS ON THIS BOARD. HOWEVER, I TOLD THEM I HAD SOME CONCERNS READING THROUGH THE APPLICATION OF THE CAR DEALERSHIP GOING INTO THIS APPLICATION. AND I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF REASONS OF WHY THAT'S THE CASE. IF YOU ARE PSYCHED TO POLICY 8.1.2.7 YOU DON'T EXPAND DEVELOPMENT AREAS. WHICH IS WHAT THEY DO.

UNLESS THERE'S GOING TO BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. JUMP CREATION. PRESERVATION OF NATURAL ENVIRONMENTS OR ANY OTHER PUBLIC DEVELOPMENT. AT THAT MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS NO DETAILS. THERE IS NO INFORMATION. THERE IS NO SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AS TO JUMP CREATION OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THIS APPLICATION ALSO CALLS OF THE PROJECT IN.

RESPECTFULLY, YOUR COMP PLAN SAYS THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

POLICIES 8.1.2.2. AND 1.2.8 SAY THAT TO AREAS THAT ARE NOT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA, AND ARE RURAL BY DEFINITION CANNOT BE IN FILM. BUT, YOU DON'T NEED THAT DEFINITION. YOU CAN

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YOU ALSO HEARD ON THE PRESENTATION THAT THERE ARE NO TRAFFIC COUNTS FOR THIS ROADWAY. THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S A MINOR COLLECTIVE ROAD. INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES ARE NOT ALLOWED ON ROADS LIKE THIS. AS TO ITS OWN LOCATION 20 INTERSECTIONS IT'S 1.5 MILES FROM I-95 AND I GP INTERSECTION. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THE REASON THEY ARE GOING TO DO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE IS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THE ACTUAL ACCESS POINT IS GOING TO BE SOUTH ON SOUTH FRANCIS. TAKING A RIDE ON 16 TO GET THAT INTERSECTION.

OVER THREE MILES AWAY IS NOT AN INTERSECTION OF TWO MAJOR ROADWAYS. I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME, BUT I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS ON THE COMP PLAN. 1.11.1 PROVIDES AN INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES ARE GENERALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL USES. THAT IS SPECIFICALLY WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT ONE IS A TOUGH ONE TO FOLLOW. EXCELLENT. SO, LOOK HERE. TWO QUESTIONS. IS THERE ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE? AND IS IT COMPATIBLE? SO, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE. LET ME STEP BACK FOR JUST A SECOND. I'LL TELL YOU WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS. SO, LET'S LOOK AT COSTCO. 1.724 ACRES. OR 1.72 FOUR ACRES. 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING. THAT'S 9165 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE. WHERE AM I GOING WITH THIS? WHERE I'M GOING IS WHERE YOU'VE GONE WITH IT. MANY OF YOU HAVE GONE WITH IT. WHAT IS ON THIS PLAN? THIS IS LIKE A FOOT IN THE DOOR. 28 ACRES.

IMPACTED WETLANDS. 23.7 TO DEVELOP A LAKERS. IF YOU USE THE COSTCO STANDARDS THIS IS NOT 100,000 -- ASIDE FROM 100,000 SQUARE FEET. THIS IS A SITE FOR 217,293. I KNOW THEY ARE ONLY ASKING FOR 100,000. BUT, IT'S LIKE A FOOT IN THE DOOR. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK IN THE APPLICATION THEY DO SAY THAT A CHANGE CAN BE MADE WITH A FUTURE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. DON'T THINK FOR A MINUTE -- I MEAN, THEY ARE GETTING AN ENTITLEMENT HERE FOR AN MD ON 28 ACRES. DON'T THINK FOR A MINUTE THERE WON'T BE SOMETHING COMING BACK LATER.

217,000. AND THAT WAS MENTIONED. THE FRONTAGE ALONG I-95. THIS IS WETLANDS. AND THIS IS A POND. YOU KNOW WHERE THE FRONTAGE IS? THE FRONTAGE IS ALONG SOUTH FRANCIS. COME ON. REALLY. SO, SOUTH FRANCIS. HOW ABOUT 1087? YEP, THERE'S 217,000 SQUARE FEET. SO, IT WAS ALSO TOUCHED ON THIS. HOW DO YOU GET THERE? YOU GET THERE FROM MY GP, AND FROM STATE ROUTE 16.160% CAPACITY? OVERCAPACITY? 247% OVERCAPACITY? AND THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT THAT WE WERE THREE MILES AWAY FROM STATE ROUTE 16. TALKED ABOUT COMPATIBILITY. YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT CLAIMS THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER. BUT, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAP WHERE ARE WE? YOU KNOW, WE ARE RIGHT THERE. THIS IS NOT A SISTER TO THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER.

THIS IS AN ORPHAN. THIS IS AN ORPHAN. YOU'VE GOT NO WAY TO GET THERE. AND IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH A ROAD THAT IS CONFRONTED BY 10, 20, 30 ACRE HORSE FARMS? SO, THE QUESTION REMAINING IS FOR A PLAN SHOULDN'T INFRASTRUCTURE BE ADEQUATE? IT'S NOT. I'M SHOULD ENTER REALLY BE A BETTER PLAN FOR COMPATIBILITY? THERE'S NOT. IN FACT, I PUT IT TO YOU THERE'S NOT EVEN A PLAN. SO, I WOULD URGE YOU TO RECOMMEND DENIAL FOR THIS. LET'S GET SOME MORE DETAIL.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS

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THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WANTS TO USE SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD. THE TWO LANE ROAD FOR ACCESS. THE STAFF REPORT SHOWS DEFICIENT ROAD WAVELENGTHS. THERE ARE NO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.

ACCESSED FROM SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD. RING POWER HAS A LOCKED GATE FOR EMERGENCY EXIT ONLY DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM MY DRIVEWAY. AND USES RURAL COMMERCE PARKWAY FOR ACCESS TO THEIR FACILITIES. THEIR EQUIPMENT LAW IS ALSO HEAVILY TREATED FOR 75% OF SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD FRONTAGE. THE REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE FOR OPEN TO PUD THAT ALLOWS FOR 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL USING HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USES RELATED TO RETAIL SALES, RENTAL, SERVICE REPAIR , AND STORAGE IN VEHICLES. INCLUDING NEW OR USED AUTOMOBILES, RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, BOATS, AND RELATED WATERCRAFT. MOTORCYCLES, AND RESIDENTIALLY SCALED FARMING GUARDING EQUIPMENT. SEVEN DAYS A WEEK WITH NIGHTTIME HOURS. DELIVERIES COULD HAPPEN EARLY IN THE MORNING OR LATE IN THE EVENING. A CAR DEALERSHIP WOULD ALSO INCLUDE A REPAIR SHOP. WHICH WOULD GENERATE NOISE. 70% OF A LOT OF THE AREA COULD BE IMPERVIOUS. WHICH WOULD INCLUDE BUILDINGS, AND PAID AREAS. THE NOISE LEVEL FROM I-95 WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE. ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS WILL DIRECTLY AFFECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OURSELVES, AND NEIGHBORS. FOR NIGHTS, AND WEEKENDS. FOR OURSELVES TO ENJOY THE OUTDOORS. IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT RING POWER IS ALSO NOT RETAIL EQUIPMENT. WITH CUSTOMERS COMING, AND COMING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE SEVEN ACRE POND THAT OUR PROPERTY EXTENDS INTO ALONG WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, AND THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

THE POND IS A SOURCE OF TRANQUILITY, AND PRIVACY. WE OFTEN ENJOY VIEWING WILDLIFE SUCH AS DEER, TURKEYS , AND THE OCCASIONAL ORDER. WE HOPE THAT NO MATTER WHAT DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED FOR THIS SITE. THE HEAVILY LANDSCAPED OR SUSTANTIAL 50 FOOT WIDE NATURAL BUMPERS FOR PRIVACY WOULD BE IMPOSED. WE ALSO EXPECT NO SITE DRAINAGE WOULD BE ALLOWED INTO THE POND. ANOTHER CONCERN IS THE PRESIDENT THAT WOULD BE SENT IF THE COMMERCIAL ZONING IS APPROVED. THERE ARE SEVERAL AVAKIAN TO ERIC RIDGE PARCELS THAT ARE JOINT OR ACROSS THE STREET. RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD NO LONGER BE APPROPRIATE , AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD SPILL OVER ON SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK? MR. INGRAM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP?

>> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FURTHER.

BUT, I THINK I'VE EXHAUSTED THE TOPIC . INTERCHANGE HAS FOREVER CHANGED IN THIS AREA. WELL COMMERCE CENTER WAS APPROVED IN SPITE OF IT BEING SOME OF THE SAME HOMES THAT ARE HERE.

IT'S AN OVER 900 ACRE DEVELOPMENT. IT IS HARD TO FIND A PIECE OF LAND IN OUR COUNTRY WHERE THERE IS NOT SOMEBODY THAT WAS THEIR FIRST . IF THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT NOTHING CAN EVER CHANGE AGAIN. YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE COUNTY HERE. AND NOT JUST ME. OR, NOT JUST MY LAND AND THEIR CLIENT. EVERYONE YOU HAVE TO BALANCE AS INTEREST. I WILL US RESPECTIVELY SUBMIT TO YOU THAT IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY THEIR HORSES AND THEIR 10 ACRE LOCKS. ON SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD. AND HAVE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER. AND HAVE THIS SITE. AND HAVE TWO PUBLICS. IT'S THE SAME, AND FRANKLY I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE ATTRACTION TO THE AREA. NOT A DETRIMENT. THAT IT IS IN A METROPOLITAN AREA TODAY. SO, THANK YOU.

>> TOM, COULD I PLEASE ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION? IT MAY NOT BE QUICK. BUT, COULD YOU ADDRESS SOME OF MR. MILLER'S COMMENTS

ABOUT COMP PLAN ISSUES? >> YEAH. IN VARIOUS WAYS CITING

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TO MATANZAS SIMILAR. THAT IS AS YOU KNOW THE SOUTH BOUNDARY.

TO THE ST. JOHNS RIVER. AND IT'S BEEN EXPANDED HUNDREDS OF TIMES. SO, FRANKLY IT'S A SPURIOUS ARGUMENT THAT WE COULD NOT EVER CHANGE THE DEVELOPMENT AREA IN THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. THAT'S BEEN A NEED, BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL COMP PLAN. APPROVED IN 1990 HAD AS ITS PLANNING HORIZON THE YEAR 2005. SO, THERE'S BEEN A NEED TO ADJUST. AND THE WAY THE COUNTY ADJUST IS IN RESPONSE TO APPLIQUES FROM LANDOWNERS.

HOPEFULLY, THAT CHANGES STARTING NEXT TUESDAY WHEN THE COUNTY IS GOING TO LOOK AT EVALUATING ITS COMP PLAN , AND START AFFIRMATIVELY DESIGNATING AREAS. BUT, THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE WAY. DAVE RESPONDED TO APPLICATIONS FROM FOLKS LIKE ME, AND MR. MILLER. SO, THAT'S WHY I'M NOT OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. WE'VE GOT INDUSTRIAL ACROSS THE STREET.

OF COURSE, THERE'S RANCH HUTS TO THE SOUTH. BUT, AGAIN WE ARE NOT ON TOP OF THE RANCH HUTS. WE ARE NEXT TO THE INTERSTATE. I THINK IT WORKS JUST AS THE COUNTY AGREED IT WORKS WHEN IT APPROVED WORLD COMMERCE CENTER. SORRY. I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND ARGUMENTATIVE. I JUST GET A LITTLE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU.

>> DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> I DID. I'M SORRY.

>> OKAY. I HEARD A COUPLE OF THINGS FROM A COUPLE OF THE SPEAKERS THAT KIND OF PERKED MY EARS UP A LITTLE BIT. AS I SAID DRIVING UP SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD. IT'S SO RURAL, AND EVERYTHING.

I LIVE OFF WATSON ROAD. WHICH EVERYONE HAS HEARD OF WATSON ROAD. MINOR COLLECTIVE ROAD THAT WE'VE ALLOWED A LITTLE BIT OF INDUSTRIAL TO GO IN. THE ROAD IS JUST KIND OF A MESS, AND IT'S A CHALLENGE. WE ARE TALKING THREE MILES HERE OF SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD. AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT A BIG TRUCK THAT IS COMING IN FULL OF CARS IS GOING TO WANT TO TAKE THE EASY ROUTE. WHICH WOULD BE THE 16 TO FRANCIS ROAD. AND THEN WILL BUY ALL OF THESE PEOPLE. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE CRITERION FOR THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE ALLOWED. AND THE WEIGHT THAT IS ALLOWED ON MINOR COLLECTIVE ROADS. I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. BUT, THAT IS A CONCERN TO ME. AND THE FACT ALSO THAT I HEARD TODAY. THAT RING POWER DOESN'T EVEN ENTER, AND EXIT OFF OF SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD. SO, THERE'S REALLY NO -- NONE OF THESE BIG COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE. ACTUALLY USED FRANCIS ROAD. AND YOUR PARCEL IS GOING TO HAVE TO USE FRANCIS ROAD. SO, I DON'T KNOW. THAT TO ME -- LIKE YOU SAID. WE COULD READ THE NUMBERS. AND I HAVE FOUR THAT I FEEL LIKE I MAY BE IN DANGER OF NOT BEING MET. AND I WON'T BORE YOU WITH THOSE NUMBERS. SO, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. IS THERE

ANYTHING YOU CAN ADDRESS? >> YEAH, SURE. SO, WHICH TYPES OF VEHICLE USED ROADS IS NOT A MATTER BEFORE LOCAL ZONING BOARDS? SO, SEMI TRUCKS ARE PART OF OUR WORLD. IT'S A REVOLUTION IN COMMERCE. THAT SAID TO MY KNOWLEDGE EVERY SINGLE AUTO DISTRIBUTOR IS TO THE NORTH. WHETHER IT'S IN BRUNSWICK OR JACKSONVILLE. THOSE ARE THE PREDOMINANT ONES.

YOU HAVE THE MW. VW HYUNDAI. THE AND REPORTERS ARE ALL COMING FROM THE NORTH. SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU.

WE HAVE MILLIONS OF SQUARE FEET TO THE NORTH. WE HAVE AN INTERSTATE INTERCHANGE. AND THERE SHOULD BE A LANDOWNER THAT CAN'T GO FORWARD TO HAVE USES LIKE THEN . BECAUSE A THEY GOT THERE FIRST. AND B BECAUSE THEY GOT TRUCKS. THERE ARE TRUCKS IN EVERY RETAIL USER. THERE ARE SOME I TRUCKS IN SOME RESIDENTIAL AREAS. EVERY PUBLICS GETS A SEMITRUCK. SO, IT'S JUST A REALITY OF LIFE. YOU KNOW, DO I WISH THAT GOODS WOULD MAGICALLY APPEAR? AND WE NEVER HAVE TRUCKS? SURE. BUT, IT'S JUST PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS CITIZENS IN MODERN SOCIETY. WHERE WE DO GET AMAZON PACKAGES, AND ALL THAT MAGIC. SO, ANYWAY I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT. WE

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TRUCKS. >> WELCOME OUR COMP PLAN SPEAKS TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND COMPATIBILITY. AND I JUST THINK EVEN IF WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE

SOUTH FRANCIS. >> WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE ON EVERY GROCERY. EVERY COMMERCIAL USE. THEN WHAT WOULD YOU ACCOMPLISH? THEN EVERYBODY DRIVES TO JACKSONVILLE. AND JACKSONVILLE THANKS YOU FOR THE COMMERCE BY THE WAY. THEY ARE NOT RUNNING OUT OF MONEY UP THERE. BUT, THIS IS GOING TO PROVIDE THE USES CLOSE TO THE USER. SO, THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND FOR YOUR SINGLE-FAMILY HOLDOVERS FOR GOODS AND SERVICES. INCLUDING CARDS, AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO, SORRY. I'M DONE. I'M DONE. I KNOW Y'ALL LIKE TO DEBATE. BUT, I'M SURE

YOU WANT TO GO HOME. >> AMEN.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE NOW BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MR. GREEN. >> YES. I WILL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT WHEN I GO TO COSTCO I LIKE TO GO TO FRANCIS ROAD.

AND I COULD GO 95 EAST HERE. AND I GREW UP HERE ALWAYS LIKING FRANCIS ROAD. WORLD COMMERCE IS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE GOT AT 16. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AT 207. THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE IS EXTRA-RESIDENTIAL. JUST PROVIDES JOBS. IS GREAT TAX PAYS. TAKES LESS UTILITIES. THEY DON'T PACK UP THE SCHOOLS.

AND WHEN YOU SAW A NICE HIGH-END CARD THERE'S A LOT OF TAX MINING IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. AND THE JOBS THAT THESE MORE HIGH-END I ASSUME IS WHAT FIELDS IS GOING TO PUT OUT THERE OR WHOEVER. THOSE ARE GREAT JOBS. I PAY IN JOBS. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO 95. NOBODY ELSE DOES. A GREAT PLACE FOR A CAR DEALERSHIP. THANKS TO 95. WITH THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL I'M DOING.

MORE APPROVAL OF A C.A.P. 2023-04 . 4400 SOUTH SOUTH FRANCIS BASED ON THE FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT THAT THE

STAFF GAVE US. >> YOU HAVE THE MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL? DO WE HAVE THE SECOND?

>> I'M GOING TO SECOND FOR PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF. JUST KIND OF A GENERAL PLANNING QUESTION. YEARS AGO I HAD A FRIEND WHO OWNED PROPERTY ON NORTH FRANCIS ROAD, AND HE WANTED TO PUT SEVEN HOUSES ON TWO ACRES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK I ACTUALLY CAME, AND TALKED TO STAFF. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAY NORTH FRANCIS ROAD IS BROKEN UP INTO THE SMALLER PIECES YOU SAY HOW IS THIS EVER GOING TO TRANSITION FROM A RURAL TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW. IT ABSOLUTELY ALMOST SEEMS LIKE YOU TO START AT ONE END, AND GO TO THE OTHER END TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. EVEN THOUGH ALL THE PIECES ON THE EAST SIDE ARE NOW BACK UP TO TRAIL MARKERS BOTH. I MEAN, DOES STAFF SEE SOUTH FRANCIS TRANSITIONING AT SOME POINT? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PARCELS ARE LONG SOUTH FRANCIS. BUT, IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THERE'S 10 TO 20? DOES THE STAFF SEE THAT TRANSITION?

>> THIS IS THE COUNTY PLANTER PLANNER SPEAKING. I THINK WE CAN SEE A TRANSITION, BECAUSE I THINK IT CAN JUST OCCUR. DUE TO WHAT'S ALREADY OCCURRED OUT IN THAT GENERAL AREA. SHOULD IT BE OCCURRING RIGHT NOW? I'M OF THE OPINION, PROBABLY NOT.

BECAUSE THERE IS A STILL WORLD COMMERCE CENTER TO CONTINUE ITS DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS STILL THE SAME TIMES THEY ARE RIGHT ECKINGTON TO YOU ITS DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE STILL PARCELS OUT THERE THAT CAN STILL BRING THAT SAME ECONOMIC TYPE OPPORTUNITIES TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THAT MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT TIME FOR A PROPERTY ON SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD.

BUT, THIS IS THE APPLICATION THAT WE REVIEWED AT THIS TIME.

>> OKAY. THAT WAS A GOOD ANSWER. THANK YOU. DIDN'T HELP ME A WHOLE LOT, BUT IT WAS A GOOD ANSWER.

>> IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION?

>> I'LL MAKE A DISCUSSION. I TOTALLY AGREE THAT IF THIS WAS A DOWN FRANCIS ROAD I WOULD BE 100% AGAINST IT. 100% AGAINST IT. IT'S SITTING UP ON 95. AND I UNDERSTAND SOME REVIEWS ARE ON THE FENCE. I GET IT. IT'S A CALL. I'M NOT SURE TO WIN OR

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>> I AGREE. I THINK IT'S A HARD DECISION TO MAKE. MR. MILLER MAKE SOME GOOD POINTS, BUT I THINK THERE'S POINTS ON BOTH SIDES. YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS FURTHER DOWN SOUTH FRANCIS I WOULD AGREE IT SHOULDN'T BE RIGHT THERE. SINCE ONLY A MILE AND A HALF. 3.1 MILES SAID 95 I THINK IT'S OKAY GOING THERE.

I DON'T THINK A LOT OF TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO TOWARDS SOUTH FRANCIS DURING 16. JUST MY OPINION, BUT I'M NOT A PERSON WHO HAS A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE OF TRAFFIC. WITH THAT BEING SAID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS?

>> YES. I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT. AND I HATE TO DO THIS.

BUT, TOM DO YOU THINK YOUR CLIENT WOULD CONSIDER COMING BACK WITH SOME TRAFFIC INFORMATION ON FRANCIS? IT WOULD FEEL BETTER IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT IS THE CAPACITY OF FRANCIS? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO PUT ON IT? AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THAT AREA? WE WOULD LOOK MORE INTO DOING A TRAFFIC COUNT ON FRANCIS ROAD.

LOT BETTER. >> OKAY.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION, AND A SECOND.

>> YOU HAVE TO VOTE THE MOTION OR YOU NEED TO -- YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE THE MOTION. YOU NEED TO VOTED UP OR DOWN, BECAUSE IT'S ON THE TABLE. YOU CAN BE WITHDRAWN IF ONE OF THE MEMBERS WITHDRAWS IT. THANK YOU.

>> SO, SINCE THIS IS INFORMATION THAT WE WANT. I ASSUME PROBABLY THE SAME THING THAT COUNTY COMMISSION WOULD WANT. SO, WE VOTE ON -- I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DRYING MY MOTION TO PUT THIS ON THE TABLE. WITH THAT INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE BCC. OR, DO YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW IT WHEN WE COME BACK HERE? AND IT MAY

MAKE YOUR MIND. >> I WOULD RATHER SEE THE INFORMATION BEFORE I MAKE MY FINAL DECISION.

>> WELL, THEN I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION IF YOU WILL WITHDRAW

YOUR SECOND. >> OKAY. THE MOTION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. IS THERE A MOTION TO CONTINUE?

>> SURE. DO WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO A CERTAIN DATE TO KEEP THEM FROM ADVERTISING? I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET THIS TYPE OF INFORMATION OR IF IT'S AVAILABLE. THIS IS OUT OF MY WILL HOUSE. I'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE ADVICE FROM THE PROFESSIONALS.

>> IF WE COULD MAYBE CONTINUE TO THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER. AND WE CAN TRY TO GET A TRAFFIC COUNT AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. WE ARE UP AGAINST THE HOLIDAYS. BUT, IF WE HAVE TO CONTINUE AGAIN I WILL LET YOU GO.

>> ALL RIGHT. THAT'LL BE DECEMBER 7TH.

>> OKAY. >> WE WELCOME IN ON THE

SEVENTH? >> YES, MA'AM. MR. INGRAM I

THINK WE ARE SCHEDULED >> REPORTER: FOR ABCC DECEMBER 5TH. RIGHT NOW. SO, THAT WILL KICK IT BACK OBVIOUSLY TO THE

NEXT AVAILABLE FEW APPLICANTS. >> YES.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> IS THERE ROOM ON THE AGENDA

FOR THE SEVENTH? >> 10 ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA

RIGHT NOW. >> JUST ASKING.

>> IT SHOULD BE FINE. >> OKAY. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE. THIS ITEM UNTIL DECEMBER 7TH.

THE SECOND. >> I HAD A QUESTION. JAY WAS OUT OF THE ROOM I THINK DURING THE BEGINNING OF THE DISCUSSION. I JUST WONDERED HOW LONG SHE THOUGHT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET ACCURATE, AND ADEQUATE TRAFFIC INFORMATION.

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>> WE TYPICALLY DO NOT DO TRAFFIC COUNTS DURING HOLIDAYS.

AND TRAFFIC COUNTS DO CHANGE A BIT IN DECEMBER, BECAUSE OF CHRISTMAS. AND YOU DO HAVE COSTTHAT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE IT WORSE THAN NORMAL. SO, I MEAN THAT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT IF THEY WANT TO WAIT UNTIL IT NORMALIZES.

THAT WOULD BE NEXT YEAR. JUST A THOUGHT.

>> CAN YOU GET IT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS NORMALLY? CAN YOU PUT A COUNTER OUT ON THE ROAD? IS THAT WHAT YOU DO?

>> YES. THAT'S UP TO THEM. THEY WILL HAVE TO HIRE SOMEONE TO DO

[9. Recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners for Planning and Zoning Agency Member Appointments. ]

THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD, AND REGISTER THE VOTE FOR THE CONTINUANCE. ALL RIGHT. THIS ITEM IS CONTINUED UNTIL DECEMBER 7TH. THANK YOU.

>> WELL, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON ITEM EIGHT ALSO?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE P.O.D. 2023 062 DECEMBER 7TH MEETING.

>> OKAY. GO AHEAD, AND VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THE ITEMS THEN CONTINUE. ITEM NUMBER NINE.

IS AN ITEM FOR YOU TO CHOOSE TO RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PLANNING, AND A ZONING AGENCY. IT'S MS. BERGEN, YOU. AND DR.

HILLS AND YOUR TERMS ARE UP. IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR. YOU HAVE THE APPLICATIONS IN FRONT OF YOU. YOU HAVE 16, 17 PEOPLE WHO HAVE REQUESTED TO BE ON THE PDA. SO, IT'S UP TO YOU TO JUST MAKE YOUR MOTIONS ON ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK. AND MS. PERKINS, AND DR. HILLS AND HAS SPOKEN.

>> OKAY. >> YES. AND YOU DID RECEIVE

ONE. I DID EMAIL IT TO YOU. >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ALL

RIGHT. MR. GREEN? >> YES. I'M QUALIFIED TO TAKE

ANOTHER TERM I ASSUME, CORRECT? >> YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT THEM BACK ON? OKAY.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT AND RICHARD BACK TO

THE. >> SECOND.

>> CAN YOU MAKE IT IN ONE MOTION? OR, IS THAT OKAY?

>> YOU CAN'T DO THE ACTUAL APPOINTMENT BY ONE MOTION. BUT, YOU CAN DO THE RECOMMENDATION BY ONE MOTION.

>> OKAY. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR

BOTH. BOTH SEPARATELY. >> OKAY.

>> ONE MOTION WAS ACCEPTABLE. IT'S OKAY. THEY CAN'T BE APPOINTED BY ONE MOTION. BUT, YOUR RECOMMENDATION CAN HAVE

BOTH IN IT. >> SO, AT THIS LEVEL YOU CAN DO

THEM AS A PAIR. >> WE ARE MAKING A

RECOMMENDATION CORRECT? >> THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO.

I'M SORRY. YES. WE ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO REAPPOINT THE TWO MEMBERS BACK TO THE BOARD. THAT'S WHAT WERE GOING TO DO.

>> WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR BOTH HE, AND DOCTOR. AND WE

HAVE . ANY DISCUSSION? >> ARE WE ALLOWED TO VOTE ON

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>> YES. >> OKAY.

>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD, AND REGISTER THE BOAT.

>> WE VOTE FOR EACH ONE? >> WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GET ANY DISCUSSION. I HAVE LOTS OF DISCUSSION.

>> DO YOU? GO AHEAD. >> YOUR NEEDS TO BECOME A

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OH, OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. LET'S GO AHEAD, AND REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. IS THERE ANY STAFF?

>> JUST A REMINDER OF THE BOARD. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE PRESENTATION IS SCHEDULED FOR THE PLANNING, AND A ZONING AGENCY. WE CONTINUE THAT ONE TOO. THE BOARD OF

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BCC. SO, GO AHEAD. >> JUST ONE OTHER THING. THE FIRST WEEK OF JANUARY YOUR FIRST MEETING IS JANUARY 4TH.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE START SCHEDULING ITEMS FOR THAT MEETING THAT YOU WILL WANT TO HAVE A MEETING THAT FIRST WEEK OF JANUARY. STAFF IS HERE. THE COUNTY IS OPEN. IT'S ENTIRELY

UP TO YOU. >> ARE WE HAVING A MEETING ON

DECEMBER 21ST? >> YES, SIR.

>> HOW MANY ITEMS ON DECEMBER 21ST?

>> ON DECEMBER 21ST WE HAVE SIX ITEMS SO FAR.

>> ALL RIGHT. THAT'S REAL CLOSE TO CHRISTMAS. I KNOW I WILL NOT BE HERE. I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN.

>> I MADE -- THAT'S A? FOR ME TOO. I DON'T THINK I WILL BE

HERE. >> ANYBODY ELSE NOT GOING TO BE HERE THAT THEY KNOW OF? SO, WE MAY NOT HAVE A QUORUM. DO YOU WANT TO SWEEP TO SEE IF THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE?

>> ARE YOU SAYING YOU WON'T BE HERE ON DECEMBER 21ST? OR, YOU

WON'T BE HERE ON JANUARY 24TH? >> I JUMPED TWO DECEMBER 21ST.

HAVE THOSE ITEMS SCHEDULED. YES, THEY'VE BEEN ADVERTISING.

I'M GETTING A NOD. >> OKAY. WHAT SAY YOU GUYS FOR JANUARY 4TH? APPLICANTS WHEN WE SKIP. BUT, I THINK EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE DESERVE A BREAK. THE STAFF THINKS WE NEED TO HAVE A JANUARY 4TH MEETING. THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO WORK BETWEEN

CHRISTMAS, AND NEW YEAR'S. >> WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 6TH. EXCUSE ME, JANUARY 4TH. WE WOULD JUST HOLD, AND TOLD APPLICANT IT'S BEEN CANCELED.

THE NEXT ONE AVAILABLE IS THE SECOND MEETING.

>> MAY I ASK IF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OUR

MEETING ON THE SECOND? >> TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE

THEY ARE NOT. >> THEY ARE NOT. OKAY. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CANCELED IS JANUARY 4TH MEETINGS. THAT WAY STAFF CAN HAVE THEIR HOLIDAY.

>> ALL RIGHT. AND THAT WILL BE CONTINUED. OR, CANCELED. FOUR.

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>> I WILL BE HERE ON THAT DAY.

>> BUT, THE CHAIR IS SUPPOS

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