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>> ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MAY DO SO FILLING OUT A SIGN IN SHEET AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER.
THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRPERSON WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTE.
SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES WHO THEY REPRESENT AND STATE THEY ARE ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD WILL SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY DETERMINEING THE TRUTH OF THE TESTIMONY. IF THE PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION AT THE HEARING SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAKE SURE A VERBATIM RECORD IS MADE.
ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS CHARTS PHOTOGRAPHS OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE CLERK FOR INCLUSION IN THE RECORD. IT WILL BE AVAILABLE IN REVIEW OF APPEAL RELATING TO THEM THE AGENCY MEMBERS REMINDED BEGINNING MUCH ITEM STATE WHETHER THEY HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY.
SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. FINALLY WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE ADDRESS COMMENTS TO THE ISSUE
AND AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> THANK YOU.
BEFORE WE GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE FIRST TWO STATEMENTS I WANTED TO WELCOME OUR NEWEST MEMBER MS. SPIEGEL.
[Public Comments]
SOUTH FRANCIS HAS BEEN RESCHEDULED TO NOVEMBER 16, 2023. THAT WON'T BE HEARD TODAY AND WE WON'T HAVE A VOTE ON IT. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT CAME FOR THAT ITEM? OKAY.SEEING NONE, WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM ON OR OFF THE AGENDA. EACH ITEM WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITY
FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM THEY'RER CHAIR. MA MARIE COLEE. SOME WELCOMING FALL THOSE WITH CHILDREN IT'S ABOUT HALLOWEEN, FOR SOME IT IS TO SUPPORT BREAST CANCER AWARENESS AND THEN THERE'S ME.
EVERY OCTOBER AS WELL AS ALL OUR MONTHS IN THE YEAR I MAKE A POINT TO OF STIES NEED TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS. AS THE 22 YEAR SURVIVOR IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME TO HELP EDUCATE HOW WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN WORK TOWARD ENDING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. STATISTICS ARE STAGGERING.
ONE IN THREE WOMEN AND ONE IN FOUR MEN LIVE THROUGH INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE AND THOSE ARE ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE REPORTED WILL THINK ABOUT THIS WHEN YOU'RE STANDING IN LINE AT THE SUPERMARKET ATTENDING CHURCH OR EVEN HERE TODAY.
ALSO LET'S NOT FORGET THE COUNTLESS NUMBER OF CHILDREN EXPOSED TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY ALONE LAST YEAR OVER 1,000 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CALLS WERE FILED AND FOUR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RELATED DEATHS.
THAT'S FAR TOO AND. AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AFFECTS
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PEOPLE ALL OF ALL AGES RACES SOCIO ECONOMIC RELIGIOUS AND OCCUPATIONAL BACKGROUNDS IT'S MY OPINION THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN DO IS EDUCATE STARTING WITH MY CHILDREN.EVERYTHING RAISED THREE GRANDCHILDREN I EXPERIENCE.
OUR YOUNGEST CAME HOME WITH A STORY AFTER BULL I ON THE PLAYGROUND. IT IS UP TO US TO REACH OUT TO OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT STATE REPRESENTATIVES SCHOOL BOARDS AND ET CETERA TO BE SURE THE PROPER EDUCATION INTERVENTION AND TREATMENT FOR VICTIMS AND SHOULD BE ABLE FROM GRADE SCHOOL TO COLLEGE AND EVEN BEYOND. MY HOPE IS THAT ONE DAY THE WORD DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WILL NO LONGER BE A PART OF OUR VOCABULARY WITH THE THAT I SAY IT TAKES THE COMMUNITY TO END DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND WON'T YOU CONSIDER JOINING ME AND BEING PART OF THIS SOLUTION FOR OUR FUTURE? FINALLY, IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW IS IN CRISIS, IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY PLEASE REACH OUT TO THE BETTY GRIFFIN CENTER 904-8904-8 904-824-1555. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE
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THERE WHO CAN LISTEN TO YOU AND HELP YOU DEVELOP A SAFE PLAN.IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE HOW TO HELP THE BETTY GRIFFIN CENTER REACH OUT TO THEIR WEBSITE BETTY GRIFFIN.ORG.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.
AT THIS TIME IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. SEEING NONE WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM MR. BATTEIGER.
>> THANK YOU MARIE. >> CHAIRMAN.
IS THERE ANY EX PARTE? >> DOES ANY MEMBER HAVE ANY EX PARTE? [INAUDIBLE]
>> MY NAME IS JEFFREY BATTEIGER. I REPRESENT IRENE VARANIS FOR THIS PROPERTY. 2979 BRANT FORWARD STREET, ST.
AUGUSTINE. MY DRESS 102 [INAUDIBLE] 32177. AGAIN I REPRESENT IRENE VARANIS REPLACING IN MOBILE. UP UNTIL A YEAR AGO THERE WAS A MOBILE HOME THAT WAS REMOVED AND WE WENT TO REAPPLY AND REALIZED THEY NEED TO COME HERE. SO THIS IS A GRAND NEW MANUFACTURED HOME TO REPLACE THE ONE THAT WAS THERE PRIOR.
THERE ARE I BELIEVE I'VE LOST COUNT OF 25.
25 MOBILE HOMES UP AND DOWN THE STREETS WITHIN ABOUT 3-4 BLOCKS.
THE LOCATION IS JUST SOUTH OF -- [INAUDIBLE] ROAD, THE HIGH SCHOOL IS JUST ACROSS ON THE NORTH SIDE.
[INAUDIBLE] >> THERE ARE -- THERE IS AN RNH NEARBY BUT THERE ARE MANY MOBILE HOMES.
ANY QUESTIONS? >> IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD WISH TO COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1? SEEING NONE, WE ARE BACK TO THE AGENCY MOTION.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT 2023 HALF 06 MOBILE HOME
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>> THANK YOU. >> ITEM NUMBER 2, MR. SHELL NUT?
>> I REPRESENT LOS CABOS PROPERTIES.
THIS IS THE SUNNY SITE OFF 1720 U.S. HIGHWAY 1 SOUTH, MY ADDRESS IS 944 WEST TENNESSEE TRACE, ST. JOHN'S, 32259.
WE DESIGNED A CAR WASH IN FRONT OF THE HOME DEPOT SITE ADJACENT TO THE CHICK-FIL-A. CURRENTLY ZONED C.G. AND ESSENTIALLY WE AGREE WITH THE FINDINGS OF FACTS AND THE SIX CONDITIONS TO SUPPORT AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THIS IS THE GENERAL ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING. WE WENT AHEAD AND DEMOED THE OLD SUNNY SITE AND LOOK FORWARD TO COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENT WITH THIS PROJECT. ANY QUESTIONS.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. IS IT JUST MANNED BY ONE PERSON OR ARE THERE GOING TO BE MULTIPLE PEOPLE CLEANING THE
CARS? >> IT WOULD BE MULTIPLE PEOPLE MADAM CHAIR. IT WILL BE AN AUTOMATIC CAR WASH BUT YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE UP FRONT STAGING AND OTHER PEOPLE MANNING
IT FOR THE VACUUM IN THE SHOP. >> MISS SPIEGEL.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I JUST HAD AN INTERESTING QUESTION. YOU HAVE DEPICTED ON YOUR SITE MAP PVC FENCE LOOKS LIKE BOOED BUFFING ON SUSPECT 1 AND THERE'S A SECTION OF PVC FENCING AND I JUST WONDERED WHAT THE PURPOSE WAS FOR THAT AND HOW YOUR RETAIL NEIGHBORS FEEL ABOUT HAVING A
CAR WASH. >> NO, OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS, WE HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH CHICK-FIL-A AND HOME DEPOT.
THEY SUPPORT THE PROJECT. WHEN IT COMES TO ANY LANDSCAPE BUFFING THERE TO THE SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE NEXT TO US AT CHICK-FIL-A AND THEN TO THE NORTH.
WELL, NEXT TO THE CREDIT UNION, THE BANK THERE, THERE'S AN EXISTING FENCE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE BUFFING AND THEN NEXT TO THE HOME DEPOT VERY SUBSTANTIAL EXISTING OAK TREES ALL OF THOSE WE PROPOSE TO KEEP AND WHATEVER THE ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR LANDSCAPING AND BUFFING, WE WILL COMPLY.
>> SO, WHAT ABOUT THE SIX FOOT PVC FENCE FACING U.S. 1?
WHAT THE THE PURPLE FO THAT. >> OUR UNDERSTANDING THERE NEEDED TO BE SOME KIND OF SCREENING TO THE ENTRY BAY FOR
THE CAR WASH AND THE EXIT BAY. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER CAR WASHES IN THE AREA? IS THERE A BIG NEED WITH BIG LINES BACKING UP AT THE CAR WASHES?
>> THERE IS A NEED. MY UNDERSTAND IS THERE IS A GATE CAR WASH ABOUT 4 MILES FROM THIS LOCATION NONE IN THIS IMMEDIATE
THANK YOU. >> THAT GATE CAR WASH IS PROBABLY A COUPLE MILES JUST OVER THE 312 BRIDGE ACTUALLY.
>> OKAY. >> THEN THERE'S THE SHOWBOAT CAR WASH ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF WAY BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT'S GOING TO MATTER. I WAS SAD TO SEE THE OLD SONNY'S GO. I WENT THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES.
READING THE DEFINITION THERE IN LDC ARTICLE 12 OF THE NEED FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT SAYS THAT IT WOULD PROMOTE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY WELFARE MORALS ORDER COMFORT, CONVENIENCE, APPEARANCE, CARS MAYBE, APPEARANCE, PROSPERITY FOR GENERAL WELFARE SO I'M NOT CAR WASH REALLY FITS THAT SPECIAL USE CRITERIA BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO KEEP ME FROM
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VOTING AGAINST IT. I VOTED FOR OTHER CAR WASHES.I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF CAR WASHES BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY VOTE. THIS AREA HAS SOME OF THE WORST TRAFFIC IN THAT CENTRAL SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY WITH THE SONNY'S THERE, THE HOME DEPOT THE ABC LIQUOR BANKS SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS THE STREET IT HAS HORRENDOUS TRAFFIC.
>> YES, SIR. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT TRAFFIC. IT'S IT'S COMMERCIAL OPERATION YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR COMPENSATION WITH TRAFFIC BUT IT'S A CONCERN TO ME THAT THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC AT THAT LOCATION. BUT I'LL PROBABLY VOTE FOR IT.
>> YES, SIR. WE HAVE STUDIED THAT SO THE TRIPS WE ESTIMATE AT 400 OR FEWER, WHICH IS LESS THAN A TYPICAL QUICK SERVE RESTAURANT THAT IT'S ZONED FOR SO I THINK YOU'LL SEE REDUCED TRAFFIC VS. ANOTHER QUICK SERVE RESTAURANT.
>> YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW MANY CARS CHICK-FIL-A SERVES A DAY, DO YOU? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
>> I KNOW THEIR GROSS VOLUME BUT I DON'T KNOW THE TRIP COUNSELED.
>> IT'S UNBELIEVABLE HOW MANY PEOPLE GO THERE.
>> THAT PARTICULAR ONE, YES, SIR.
MOST CHICK-FIL-AS. >> YOU OUGHT TO CONJOIN WITH THEM AND GET A CAR WASH WITH THEM WHILE THEY'RE WAITING IN
WE HAVE SPOKEN TO CHICK-FIL-A AND HOME DEPOT SO WE ARE IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEM. FRONTS. MOVEMENT ON THOSE TWO -
>> YES, SIR. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
WOULD ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC AUDIENCE LIKE TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 2? SEEING NO COMMENT MOTION.
>> YES, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
I ASSUME THAT THE WHY HE WANTS TO PUT IT THERE IS BECAUSE
THAT'S WHERE THE CARS ARE. >> YES, SIR.
>> CAR WASHES LIKE TO BE WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS.
I MAKE A MOTION TO MOTION 2023-06 CAR WASH 2720 U.S. 1 BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONDITIONS PROVIDEED IN OUR
STAFF REPORT. >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
>> MR. PETER. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES.
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>> THANK YOU. >> AND JUST A CLOSING COMMENT.
YOU HAVE AN INCREDIBLE STAFF AND YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT THE LAUREN HAS BEEN A REAL BLESSING AND I WANT YOU ALL TO HEAR THAT FREE ME. WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE COUNTY AND IT'S A REFLECTION OF WHO YOU HAVE WORKING.
ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER 3
MR. GRIFFIN. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. >> AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR.
>> I WAS GETTING THERE. DOES ANYBODY EVER EX PARTE?
>> LIKE THE OLD SUNDAY SITE. I GO BY IT EVERY DAY.
>> MY NAME IS DANIEL GRIFFIN MY ADDRESS 444 GIANA WAIT IN ST. AUGUSTINE. REPRESENTING MY FAMILY AT A NUT HOUSE FAMILY OWNED AND OPERATED BUSINESS SOUTH ST. AUGUSTINE.
OUR GOAL IS TO UP GRADE OUR LICENSE SO WE CAN CARRY LOCAL SPIRITS AND WE HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 1968 FOR THREE GENERATIONS WE SELL SUITS NUTS CANDIES SOOVR NEARS AND OUR GOAL IS KEEP EVERYTHING LOCAL. WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO CARRY CROWN OR TITOS, LOCAL THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE ARE LOCATED ABOUT A HUNDRED YARD OFF EXIT 298 SOUTH END OF ST. AUGUSTINE. WINE AND SPIRITS WILL BE IN THAT BUILDING. THAT'S OUR SOUVENIR STAND.
WE ARE ZONED CHT IN THIS DISTRICT.
>> SHORT SPEECH. >> YES, MA'AM.
>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS? DR. HILSENBECK?
>> I'VE BEEN TO THE PECAN OUTLET IN THAT HOUSE MANY TIMES.
>> YES, SIR. >> PROBABLY A PERMANENT RESIDENT OF THE LATTER BUT AGAIN READING THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT DEFINITION I'M JUST NOT SURE IF THE SALE PACKAGE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES REALLY FIT INTO PROMOTING PUBLIC HEALTH
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SAFETY WELFARE MORALS CONVENIENCE AND COMFORT APPEARANCE PROSPERITY OR GENERAL WELFARE BUT THAT AGAIN IS NOT GOING TO KEEP ME FROM VOTING AGAINST IT WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT REALLY IS YOU'RE GOING TO START SELLING ALCOHOL AT 7:30 A.M. INCLUDING ON SUNDAY MORNINGS?>> WELL, THAT'S JUST WHEN WE OPEN, SIR.
>> I KNOW, BUT IF ANYONE NEED A DRINK THAT BADLY AT 7:30 A.M. I
>> YOU COULDN'T CHANGE THE SALE OF THE ALCOHOL UNTIL STARTING AT
MAYBE 10 A.M.? >> IF THAT'S AN ISSUE WE COULD
ADDRESS THAT. >> 7:30 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
SEEMS EXTREME TO ME. >> THERE'S A CONVENIENCE STORE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EXIT. THEY DON'T SELL SPIRIT BUT THEY
SELL BEER AND WINE. >> OKAY, JUST THINK ABOUT IT AS A GOOD CITIZEN THAT YOU ARE AND THE BUSINESS IS A GOOD ONE.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.
>> FIRST EXIT OFF I-95. >> YES, SIR.
>> THANK YOU. >> NEED TO TURN ON MY MIC.
YES, I AGREE WITH THE EARLY SALE OF ALCOHOL.
I DO UNDERSTAND PEOPLE LIKE TO DRINK BUT THE FACT YOU ARE
SELLING LOCAL PRODUCT. >> YES, WE ARE MORE OF A
TOURISM. >> I AGREE WITH DR. HILSENBECK ABOUT POSSIBLY CURBING THE TIME AND I HAD MARKED THE SAME THING ABOUT THE SPECIAL USE DEFINITION AND HOW THIS REALLY DOES FIT AND I SUPPOSE WITH THE STRETCH YOU COULD SAY BECAUSE YOU'RE PROMOTING ST. JOHNS COUNTY YOU'RE PROMOTING LOCAL BUSINESS.
>> YES, MA'AM. >> I HAD TRIED TO FIND SOME LOCAL ALCOHOL FOR A FAMILY MEMBER AT ONE POINT A FEW YEARS AGO AND WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO KNOW THERE WAS A PLACE THERE.
>> THANK YOU. >> YES, BASICALLY FOR COUNTY STAFF, ARE THERE NOT CERTAIN HOURS WE HAVE?
>> AS A POINT OF INFORMATION FOR THE CHAIR, AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THEY NEED TO COMPLY THE COUNTY'S RULES ON SALES OF ALCOHOL. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE LOOKED AT WITNESS THE THOUGHT OF WHETHER PACKAGE SALES ARE DIFFERENT THAN CONSUMPTION SALES AND NORMAL RETAIL SALES BUT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE COUNTY RULES.
THAT THE PART OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE GIVING THEM ANY SPECIAL ADVANTAGE OR ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF
THE NORMAL RULES FOR THE COUNTY. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. IS THIS ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 3? SEEING NONE, WE ARE BACK TO THE AGENCY.
MR. GREEN? >> YES, I'LL MAKE A MOEKS TO PROVE 2023-04 NUT HOUSE CORPORATION BASED ON FINDINGS AND 11 CONDITIONS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> WE HAVE MOTION OF APPROVAL BY MR. GREEN SECOND BY MR. PETER.
>> BEFORE WE FINALIZE THE VOTE COULD WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT?
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I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED IT. >> WE D.
>> NO. >> SEEING NONE LET'S VOTE.
THAT MOTION PASSES. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> ENJOY YOUR NUT HOUSE. >> ITEM NUMBER 4 MR. SCHRADER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE? >> NO.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M JULIE KENDRICK SCHRADER 450 SOUTH ORANGE AVENUE ORLANDO FLORIDA HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF HOME DEPOT. I HAVE HAMILTON WILLIAMS WITH ME WITH GREENBURG BARROW. HE'S PROJECT MANAGER FOR HOME DEPOT FOR THIS PROJECT SO WE ARE BOTH HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY AFTER WE COMPLETE OUR PRESENTATION.
WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR A NON-VOENING VARIANCE REGARDING SIGNAGE FOR THE PROPOSED HOME DEPOT.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO SECTION 7.02.04 C AND . . .
OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW FOR A MAXIMUM OF 610 SQUARE FEET OF TOTAL ADVERTISING DISPLAY AREA FOR THE HOME DEPOT BUILDING WALL SIGNAGE IN LIEU OF THE SIGNAGE FOR BUSINESS AND
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ALLOW MAXIMUM 438 SQUARE FEED AND MAXIMUM FEET OF ADVERTISING DISPLAY AREA PER SIGN. SO THAT'S THE TECHNICAL REQUEST.THE WAY I WOULD DESCRIBE THE REQUEST, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, ESSENTIALLY THE CODE LIMITS SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING REALLY WITHOUT REGARD TO THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND CLEARLY WITH HOME DEPOT WE HAVE A VERY LARGE STRUCTURE SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR TODAY IS ESSENTIALLY OR SIGNAGE OF 438 SQUARE FEET WHICH IS IN SCALE WITH THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING WE PLAN ON CONSTRUCTING. SO BASICALLY THE CODE ALLOWS SIGNS WITH MAXIMUM 400 SQUARE FEET REGARDLESS SIZE OF BUILDING AND ALSO WITH RESPECT TO THIS BUILDING THE SIGNAGE THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY 2.6 PERCENT OF THE OVERALL FACADE OF THE BUILDING. SO WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR A VERY OVERWHELMING SIGN AS IT RELATES TO THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S ACTUALLY ONLY 2.6 PERCENT OF THE OVERALL FACADE.
THIS PROPERTY GENERALLY IS APPROXIMATELY 16 ACRES, WHICH IS PART OF THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER DRI.
I'LL SHOW SOME MAPS. IT'SER IN THE BUCKIES AND COSTCOS. THIS IS A PROPOSED APPEARED -- . . . SQUARE FOOT. WE ARE A PORTION OF THE OUTLINE IN PURPLE. THE ACTUAL SITE IS GOING TO BE IN THIS LOCATION TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE PARCEL.
THERE'S A GAS STATION DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET WHERE AND ALSO ACROSS THE STREET IS THE GOLF COURSE.
HERE IS OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. MIXED USE DISTRICT.
OUR ZONING AGAIN AS I HAD INDICATED WERE PART OF THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER PUD AND WE ARE LOCATED IN THAT RING THAT CON CONTAINS COSTCO'S, BUCKY'S, RING. YOU CAN SEE HOW THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO LAY OUT AS IT RELATES TO THE ROAD AND HOW THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE ORIENTED AS IT RECEIPTS TO THE STREET.
SO, SPEAKING OF THE CRITERIA IN YOUR CODE FOR THE GRANTING OF A NON-ZONING VARIANCE I'LL GO THROUGH THAT REALLY QUICKLY.
TALKS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES WITH THE SITE THAT WOULD JUSTIFY THE SOOINL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AS I MENTION THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY LARGE BUILDING.
I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT SOME OF THE VIEW LANDSCAPING AND OTHER ISSUES THAT LEAD TO PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES THAT JUSTIFY OUR REQUEST. SECOND CRITERIA IS THAT THE REQUEST IS NOT PAID EXCLUSIVELY ON DESIRE TO LOWER THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS NOT, THE LARGER SIGN IS MORE SPEFR.
THE LARGER SIGN WOULD NOT IMPACT CONGESTION OR OTHER HAZARDS TO THE PUBLIC. IT WILL NOT DIMINISH PROPERTY VALUES AND THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE.
AS WE MENTION THIS IS WITHIN A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S IN A PLANNED AREA. IT'S IN A WHO CASE IN THIS PUD THAT IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER COMMERCIAL USES AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE BUILDING AND THE SIGN REQUESTS WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA SO THIS IS INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY WORLD COMMERCE CENTER. SO THERE'S ADDITIONAL CRITERIA IN THE CODE THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED WHEN IT COMES TO NON-ZONING SIGN VARIANCE SO I JUST BRIEFLY WANTED TO RUN THROUGH THAT THE THE MAIN HOME DEPOT BUILDING IS ORIENTED TOWARD INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY AND GOINGGO APPROXIMATELY 216 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROADWAY.
AS IT RELATES TO PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES SEEING THE SIGN WE DO HAVE A 10 FOOT PUD PERIMETER BUFFER THAT THE REQUIRED AND 30 FOOT SCENIC EDGE WITH LANDSCAPING AND WHEN YOU GO INTO INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY THERE'S A GREAT MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD WITH VERY ROBUST AND MATURE TREES.
SO, EACH OF THOSE THINGS LENDS TO LIMITING THE VISIBILITY OF THE SIGN OF THE HD SIDE. WE HAVE AS PART OF OUR SUBMITTAL GRAPHICS SHOWING THE VARIOUS BUFFERS I SHOWED ABOUT ALSO GRAPHICS SHOWING THE DISTANCE OF THE BUILDING FROM THE CLOSEST ADJACENT RIGHT OF WAY. THIS I OUR DEPICTION OF OUR
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BUILDING SIGNAGE. YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE BUILDING GET IDEA OF THE SCALE AND THESE ARE VARIOUS OTHER SIGNS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ON THE BUILDING GARDEN CENTER RENTAL EXIT ONLY CLEARANCE AND ALL OF THOSE SIGNS ARE GOING TOGETHER IN THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE ARE REQUESTING.THIS IS A PICTURE AFTER PROTOTYPICAL HOME DEPEA FOR A CONCEPT HOW OUR SIGNAGE FITS IN WITH THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING AND HOW WE GENERALLY CONSTRUCT. WE HAVE A TABLE OF APPLICABLE SIGN AREA THAT WAS LOCATED IN OUR APPLICATION.
AS IS MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE HAD A CAL CORRELATION ERROR ON THE GARDEN CENTER SIGN. OUR SIGN PERSON PRODUCED THE TABLE FOR US AND I CAN GO OUT AND RECALCULATE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE SO WE HAVE ABOUT 609 SQUARE FEET PUT ON THE REQUEST AND IN REALITY IT'S MORE OUR CURRENTLY A LITTLE OVER I THINK THAT THE PLAN IS IF WE WENT UP WITH APPROVAL TODAY OF THE OVERALL SIGNAGE AND THE LARGE BUILDING SIGN, WE WOULD GO BACK AND TRY TO REWORK SOME OF THE SIGNS TO STAY UNDERNEATH THAT TOTAL OR ALTERNATIVELY IF WE COULD HAVE AN EXTRA 30 SQUARE FOOT BECAUSE OF THE MISCALCULATION THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO OUR SIGNAGE PLAN AS WE HAVE LAID OUT HERE IN THE APPLICATION. SO AGAIN THAT THE THE SUMMARY OF OUR REQUEST AND WE ARE AVAILABLE WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR IF YOU GUYS WANT ANY FURTHER INFORMATION.
>> YOUR REQUEST IS FOR THE ADDITIONAL 30 SQUARE FEET?
>> EITHER THE ADDITIONAL 30 SQUARE FOOT OR THE ABILITY TO ADJUST SOME OF OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE AMONGST THE SIGNS SO WE CAN HAVE THE GARDEN CENTER IDENTIFIABLE.
>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> SO, WHAT'S A CHANNEL LETTER?
>> I BELIEVE THAT'S THE WAY IT'S LIT.
I'M GOING TO HAVE HAMILTON COME UP.
>> I GOOGLED IT BUT I JUST WANT TO HEAR IT FROM YOU.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON HAMILTON WILLIAMS WITH GREENBURG FARRELL ATLANTA GEORGIA. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THE MAIN SIGN THAT SAYS HOME DEPOT EACH LETTER IS A CHANNEL LETTER.
IT'S A TERM HOW YOU DESCRIBE THAT RATHER THAN ONE LARGE SQUARE PANEL EACH LETTER IS AN INDIVIDUAL SIGN.
>> ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD TWO WEEKS AGO I BELIEVE A REQUEST I BELIEVE FROM SOME OTHER HOME DEPOT ON COUNTY ROAD. OH, IT WAS A WALMART.
THANK YOU. ON COUNTY ROAD 13 AND THEY WERE WAY FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ROAD, 510 FEET I THINK AND Y'ALL ABOUT ABOUT 200, I KNOW YOU SAID 216 AND THAT SEEMED LIKE THE MIDDLE OF THE LANES OUT THERE BUT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS BASICALLY A TRIP LINE OF THE ADA AVERAGE SIZE DISPLAY AREA SIGN ORDINANCE SO IT GOES FROM 61, YOU HAD 609 PLUS TO 639 A TRIPLING OF 200, GOING FROM 150 TO 438, THAT THE BASICALLY ANOTHER TRIPLING AND YOU'RE ONLY 200 FEET OFF INTERNATIONAL GULF PARKWAY. I DON'T SEE THAT ANYONE IS GOING TO MISS THE HOME DEPOT. I GO TO HOME DEPOT.
I LIKE HOME DEPOT. BUT I'M NOT INCLINED TO PERSONALLY TO GRANT THAT BASED ON WHAT I THINK IS JUST TOO MUCH, TOO BIG, TOO INTRUCIVE AND I KNOW BIGGER AND BETTER AND SO FORTH AT WORLD COMMERCE CENTER WITH THE GOLF AND SO FOR THE BUT I THINK EXCESSIVE FOR NON-ZONING IN MY OPINION.
>> I WILL SAY I LOOKED AT THE WALMART VARIANCE AND I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THEIR VISUAL I AM PEDIMENTS ARE OR DISTANCE.
I DID NOTE THAT THEIR BUILDING IS APPROXIMATELY 30,000 SQUARE FEET SO THEIR BUILDING IS ACTUALLY A QUARTER TO A 5TH OF THE PROPOSED SIZES OF THE HOME DEPOT BUILDING.
I DID GO BACK AND LOOK BECAUSE I WANTED TO CHECK TO SEE THE WALMART. AGAIN I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEIR VIEW ISSUES OR IF THEY HAVE THE SAME ISSUE THAT WE DO BUT THEIR BUILDING WAS SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN THE
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PROPOSED HOME DEPOT. >> SO ARE YOU SAYING YOUR BUILDING WOULD BE EASIER TO SEE FROM THE STREET?
>> I'M SPEAKING OF THE SCALE AND THE SIGN AND HOW IT WOULD IT
WOULD APPEAR ON THE BUILDING. >> MS. SPIEGEL.
>> I THINK IT'S GREAT A HOME DEPOT IS GOING IN THERE.
I THINK IT'S WELL WANTED AND PEOPLE WILL BE EXCITED ABOUT IT BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHY, YOU JUST SPOKE ABOUT THE FREEZE GROWING IN THE MEDIAN. WHO IS THE SIGN TO BE SEEN BY? THE PEOPLE IN THE GOLF COURSE, THE PEOPLE DRIVING BY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT IF THERE'S THIS LARGE TREE CANOPY AND I'M KIND OF IN AGREEMENT THAT IT'S JUST TOO MUCH.
IT'S KIND OF TOO MASSIVE. >> SO, ESSENTIALLY THERE ARE TWO ASPECTS OF THE REQUEST. ONE IS HOW THE SIGN LOOKS AS IT RELATES TO THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING.
SO IF WE HAVE 130,000 CUELLAR FOOT BUILDING WITH 200 SQUARE FOOT SIGN RIGHT NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT 2.6 PERCENT OF THE BUILDING FRONTAGE EVERYTHING THIS SIGN WOULD TAKE.
SO, IF WE WENT DOWN TO 1 PERCENT THERE'S THE SCALE ISSUE IN ADDITION TO THE VISIBILITY ISSUE AS IT RELATES TO I THINK THE REALITY IS THAT PEOPLE FROM GOING IN ONE DIRECTION ON INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE SIGN.
IG THINK WITH THE FOLIAGE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LANDSCAPE IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT, EVEN AT THIS SIZE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE HOPE. THERE'S TWO ASPECTS.
ONE ON INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY HOPEFULLY BEING ABLE TO SEE THE SIGN AND HOW THE SIGN LOOKS ON THE SCALE OF THE
BUILDING. >> WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
TO ME, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE HOME DEPOT IS MORE A DESTINATION PLACE AND IT'S NOT LIKE HOME DEPOT, YOU SEE A SIGN, GO TO HOME DEPOT, I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT SO I'M NOT SURE AS FAR AS ADVERTISING THAT'S A GOOD THING. PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO HOME DEPOT AND KNOW THEY'RE THERE MASSIVE SIGN OR NO IT'S AESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING IS PRETTY MUCH YOUR
ARGUMENT. >> I WOULD SAY BOTH ASPECTS.
CLEARLY WE ARE NOT THE BUCKY'S. WHICH HAS, I DON'T KNOW REMEMBER IF BUCKY'S OR COSTCO GOT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE.
WE ARE NOT PUTTING OUR SIGNS ON I-95 GETTING PEOPLE TO COME N.
WE WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO IDENTIFY THE STORE FROM THE ADJACENT ROADWAY. WE WOULD LIKE THE SIGN TO LOOK TO SCALE TO THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
BUT WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR SIGNS TO GET PEOPLE TO COME IN FROM
I-95 HOME DEPOT. >> I JUST HAD ONE MORE QUESTION.
I'M SORRY. YOU HAVE DEPICTED HERE A SIGN I, WHICH IS A 12 BY 12 MONUMENT THAT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING. DOES THAT 144 SQUARE FEET COUNT IN THE TOTAL SIGNS? AND WILL THAT BE VISIBLE TO PEOPLE? SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE QUITE VISIBLE TO PEOPLE DRIVING ON THE NTIONAL GOLF PARKWAY.
>> WE WILL HAVE ONE MONUMENT SIGN WHICH WILL BE LESS AND WE ARE REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE MONUMENT SIGN TO KEEP IN WITH REMAINDER OF THE PUD. I'LL LITTLE HAMILTON DRESS THAT
BECAUSE HE CAN GIVE NUMBERS ON. >> I NEED TO LOOK AT THE EXHIBIT WHAT'S ALLOWED PER CODE BUT YOU'RE CORRECT THE FIRES -- FIRST SIGN IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION.
THAT SIGN WILL BE ROUGHLY HALF THE SIZE WHAT'S ALLOWED BY CODE TO BE IN KEEPING WITH THE OTHER MONUMENT SIGNS.
NOT TRYING TO PUT ANOTHER LARGE DEPOT SIGN UP.
IT'S MORE BRANDING OF THE BUILDING AND TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND [INAUDIBLE] .
>> SO, ACCESS. CAN WE BRING THAT UP? SO, ACCESS TO HOME DEPOT, THERE WOULD BE FROM THE WAY I AM LOOKING AT IT, NO DIRECT ACCESS FROM INTERNATIONAL PARKWAY INTO YOUR PARKING LOT. YOU'VE GOT TO USE SERVICE ROADS ON BOTH SIDES, AM I CORRECT? THAT LOOKED LIKE THE WAY IT WAS
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LAID OUT. >> CURRENTLY ACCESS WILL BE ON WORLD COMMERCE TOWARD THE BACK OF THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SHEET. PRIMARY ENTRANCE THERE WILL BE
ONE ACCESS POINT. >> YOU'VE GOT A POINTER THERE.
IF COULD YOU USE ONE OF THESE SCREENS I'D APPRECIATE IT.
>> THERE WE GO. >> IT'S NOT EASY TO HOLD STILL.
THERE YOU GO [INAUDIBLE] >> SO, THERE WOULD BE A LEFT IN AND RIGHT OUT OFF OF THE TOP, CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. >> DOWN AT THE BOTTOM I GUESS
THAT WILL GO SOMEWHERE. >> CORRECT.
THIS ACCESS ROAD WILL WORK WITH [INAUDIBLE]
>> SO AS WE ARE LOOKING AT THE HOME DEPOT, THERE WILL BE NO VISIBLE CUT? WHAT I'M SAYING, IS THE SIGN TO BUFFER, YOU'VE GOT BUFFER ALL THE AWAY ACROSS YOUR PARKING LOT, SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DIRECT -- WHEN THEY DRIVE BY ALL
THEY'RE GOING TO SEE IS HEDGES. >> THAT'S CORRECT, THE SCENIC BUFFER. THAT'S WHY I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SIGN ISSUE. IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.
YES AND NO. YOU COULD SAY THERE'S A BIG BUILDING IN THERE AND OKAY. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THE WAY I WAS LOOKING AT IT THERE WAS NO DIRECT ACCESS AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO TRAVEL UP AND DOWN THE ROAD. THAT WAS THE WHOLE IDEA I THINK OF THE SERVICE ROAD. THANKS.
APPRECIATE IT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION, PROBABLY FOR STAFF. THIS SEEMS TO BE IN LINE WITH WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, BUCKY'S AND COSTCO.
SO IS COSTCO THEIR SIGN SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING? ARE THEY BIGGER? DO YOU KNOW OFF HAND?
>> I DON'T KNOW OFF HAND. THE COST CODE AND BUCKY'S BOTH DID RECEIVE NON-ZONING VARIANCES TO GET THEIR SIGNAGE.
THEY ARE OVER WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS.
>> I ACTUALLY HAVE THE ORDERS HERE.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO LOOK? >> SURE.
>> OKAY. COSTCO HAD ASKED FOR VARIANCE TO ALLOW 1778 SQUARE FEET OF ADA FOR THEIR WAREHOUSE BUILDING.
AND BUCKY'S, I NEED MY GLASSES. THEIR WAREHOUSE IS 157,000 SQUARE FEET. BUCKY'S.
OKAY. BUCKY'S REQUESTED AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AND IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
LET'S SEE. THEY HAVE A 53,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. I DON'T SEE THE NUMBER.
I SEE THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR INCREASE IN THE NUMBER BUT I
APOLOGIZE I DON'T SEE THE EXACT. >> THAT'S OKAY.
THE POINT IS THEY HAVE SQUARE FOOTAGE BIGGER THAN YOURS AND THEIR REQUEST WAS MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
>> THE BUILDINGS ARE SMALLER AND THE SIGNAGE IS MUCH LARGER.
>> RIGHT. >> SO I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR REQUEST, AND I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH APPROVING 639.
I WANTED TO ASK THAT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO? ALL RIGHT.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 4?
>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT VISIBILITY.
THERE'S GOING TO BE TREES REMOVED FROM THAT AREA.
THERE'S GOING TO BE ACCESS HERE. THAT MEDIAN RIGHT NOW IS LINED
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WITH TREES SO ALL THOSE OAK TREES ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN OUT THAT TURN LANE. THERE'S GOING TO BE A TURN LANE HERE TO HERE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE CLEANED OUT AS WELL.WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING SHRUBS IN THERE.
THE SHRUBS ARE GOING TO BE ABOUT 3-4 FEET TALL SO THE SIGNAGE IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE VISIBLE. IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE OTHER END THIS WHOLE AREA HERE IS TOTALLY OPEN SO THE VISIBILITY IS GOING TO BE THERE. YES, THERE'S GOING TO BE A SMALL SECTION THAT THE GOING TO BE COVERED BY THE OAK TREES THAT ARE THERE BUT MOST OF THOSE POOV HAVE ALREADY GONE BY THE ENTRANCE AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO DOWN TO THE LIGHT IN HERE TO BE ABLE TO GAIN ACCESS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SIGN COVERING THIS AREA HERE AND SMALLER SIGNS HERE.
IF PEOPLE CAN'T SEE THAT IN THE ROADWAY THEY'RE ALREADY PAST WHERE THE TREES ARE RIGHT NOW SO I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND WE DON'T ALLOW THE SIGNAGE TO BE THAT LARGE.
>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY NECESSARY THE AUDIENCE? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COME ON UP. DO YOU HAVE ANY REBUTTAL?
NO, I'LL HAVE HAMILTON SPEAK TO THE VISIBILITY ISSUE BUT I DID FIND THAT THE BUCKY'S DID ASK FOR 488 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE AND THEIR FACILITY IS 25,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN HAMILTON, IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN
SO, SHE'S CORRECT, THERE WILL BE A FUTURE USE IN THE MEDIAN TAKING OUT WELL BEFORE TO INSTALL A LEFT TURN LANE AND THAT WILL BE PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE REST OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR BETWEEN HOME DEPOT AND COSTCO PROPERTY SO IT HAD BEEN COMING IN PLACE EITHER WAY.
THE SCENIC EDGE IS HEAVILY LANDSCAPED THAT THE WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS WE DEALT WITH STAFF ON MAKING SURE IT MEETS CODE COMPLETELY WITH THE AMOUNT OF SHRUBS AND TREES THAT WILL BE PLANTED IN THE SCENIC EDGE. I WANTED TO POINT OUT WORLD COMMERCE CORNER SIGNAL HAS A LARGE SIGN.
I'M SURE MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN BY THERE, IT'S GOT LARGE PALM TREES. THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS STAYING IN PLACE. THE OWN WORE NOT ALLOW US TO MODIFY OR CHANGE THAT. AND JUST TO POINT OUT ONE.
SIGNS IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
ALL THE SIGNS IN THAT PACKAGE ARE NOT IN THE FRONT.
THE LARGER SIGNS ARE BUT THERE'S ONE ON THE SIDE AS WELL.
>> MADAM CHAIR, BEFORE YOU PROCEED WITH THE VOTE, THE APPLICANT HAD ASKED IF THEY COULD DO A LITTLE TWEAK TO THIS PLAN. IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HEAD THOSE HAPPEN IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS BECAUSE THIS WAS ADVERTISED.
THEY WILL HAVE TO STAY WITHIN WHATEVER APPROVAL YOU MAKE.
>> OKAY. IF THERE'S A MOTION IT SHOULD BE A PART OF WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY REQUESTED.
>> WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY REQUESTED AND WITH THE LOCKDOWNS FOR STAFF TO ADJUST WITHIN DURING THE PERMITTING.
>> ALL FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS INCLUDING THOSE.
>> I'M READY TO TAKE A SHOT AT THE MOTION.
>> THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECTED WHEN COMMERCE PARK WAS DESIGNED AND APPROVED WAS BIG BOX STORES. JUST ANOTHER ONE IS COMING AND I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB. IT WOULD BE THE BEST BUFFERED ONE OF THE THREE THAT ARE THERE NOW BEING BUCKY'S AND COSTCO.
SO WITH THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE NON-ZONING VARIANCE 2023-10 THE HOME DEPOT, SUBJECT TO EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AND FIVE CONDITIONS PROVIDED BY STAFF ALLOWING, LET
LEGAL TAKE THIS ONE OVER. >> ALLOWING THEM TO ADJUST NUMBERS WITHIN THE TOTAL ALLOWED.
>> AND ALLOWING STAFF TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
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MR. HILSENBECK. >> I THOUGHT THEY DID TWEAK IT HERE FROM 611 TO 609 WHATEVER AND SHE STATED 639 DIDN'T THEY
ALREADY PUT THAT ON THE RECORD? >> THEY DID.
THE ISSUE I'M CONCERNED IS IT'S ADVERTISED FOR A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEY'RE INCREASING THAT ON THE FLOOR HERE SO IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE ADVERTISED AGAIN.
>> THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD, I CONTINUE BELIEVE I WAS ON THIS BOARD WHEN THE COSTCO SIGNAGE WAS VOTED ON BUT I WAS FOR THE BUCKY'S.
I WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD I VOTED AGAINST THAT THEY NOT ONLY HAD THEIR LARGE SIGN INCREASE BUT THEY HAD THAT HUNDRED FOOT
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SIGN AS THEY CALLED IT ON THE INTERSTATE ON I-95 SO I DID VOTE AGAINST THAT. THANKS.>> THIS IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU.
NEXT WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 5, MRS. ELLEN [INAUDIBLE]
I SAT ON THEIR CDD FOR SEVERAL YEARS PRIOR TO BEING ON THEY'RE BUT I HAVE NO PROPERTY NO FINANCIAL GAINS, WENT FLEW THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND SINCE I HAVE NO REASON NOT TO GIVE ADVICE.
>> ANYBODY ELSE? >> I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS EX PARTE SO BEAR WITH ME. DID I RECEIVE EMAIL BY ONE OF THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS BUT IT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT COUNTS OR NOT.
>> THANK YOU MADAM CHARON ELLEN SMITH 100 WET STONE PLACE IN ST.
AUGUSTINE. WITH ME IS MIKE MCCALLUM WHO WITH ASHFORD SPEERLS THE SHEARWATER DEVELOPMENT THE MARKETING NAME IS CALLED SHEARWATER.
WE KNOW THE LOCATION IS COUNTY ROAD 210 WEST, 210 AND 210 WEST AND COUNTY ROAD 16-A. THIS IS THE LOCATION OF SHEARWATER AND THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL C, THIS IS TIMBER LAND CREEK ELEMENTARY AND THE ZONING IS PUD AND HAS BEEN FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS.
SO, THE REASON WE ARE HERE FOR YOU TODAY IS THERE ARE TWO A PLENTY CENTERS THAT EXIST WITHIN THIS PROPERTY, BOTH OWNED BY THE CDD. BOTH THOSE CENTERS HAVE HOSTED FOOT TRUCKS OUTDOOR MARKETS THAT KIND OF THING FOR 7-8 YEARS.
THIS SUMMER THE DEVELOPER AND THE CDD WERE CONTACTED BY THE COUNTY STAFF THAT THE PUD DID NOT SPECIFICALLY ALLOW THOSE USES SO HERE WE ARE TO MAKE SURE THE PUD SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS THOSE USES, THOSE ARE THE PLENTY CENTER AND KAYAK CLUB.
THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO ALLOW THE RESIDENTS TO CONTINUE THEIR FOOD TRUCK COMMUNITY MARKET THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THE CDD AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CDD TO SPEAK IN FAVOR BUT THEY CDD OWNS THESE AMENITIES AND THIS AMENDMENT IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO THOSE TWO PROPERTIES. SO, GOING FORWARD, AGAIN, THERE IS A NOTE IN THE PUD TEXT THAT FOOD AND BEVERAGES, INCLUDING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES MAY BE SOLD AT SUCH EVENTS AND FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THEY WANTED THEIR STANDARD LIGHT FOR OUTDOOR TENT EVENT IF YOU WILL AND FOOD TRUCKS TO BE PUT INTO THE PUD SO WE DID THAT AND I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT ONE CHANGE THAT STAFF HAS ASKED TO US MAKE IN JUST A MINUTE, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW THE LOCATIONS, THIS IS THE MAIN A PLENTY CENTER.
THIS IS CALLED THE KAYAK CLUB OR THE OUTPOST.
THOSE ARE THE LOCATIONS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THEY EXIST TODAY AND HAVE BEEN USED FOR THIS PURPOSE FOR YEARS.
SO THE STAFF HAD NOTHING OUTSTANDING COMMENTS FROM THE STAFF REPORT BUT I DO WANT TO N NOTE, AND I WILL PUT THIS UP ON THE OVERHEAD THAT THERE WAS A
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CONCERN EXPRESSED THAT FOOD AND BERJS PARENTHETICAL INCLUDING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES MAY BE SERVED OR SOLD AT SUCH EVENTS THE STAFF WANTS TO SAY FOR CONSUMPTION ON THE A PLENTY PROPERTIES SO IT'S LIMITED SO I CAN'T GO OUT AND HAVE A BEER AND WANDER DOWN THE STREET. I NEED TO STAY ON THE A PLENTY CENTER PROPERTY ONE OF THE TWO WHERE EVER I HAPPEN TO BE THAT'S THE INTENT I BELIEVE FROM STAFF. CORRECT? OKAY. SO WITH THAT WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU APPROVE THIS MINOR MODIFICATION.I'LL ANSWER QUESTIONS AND I'M SURE FOLKS CAN COME UP HERE SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES ABOUT WHAT GOES ON IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU. THAT'S A VERY NICE PRESENTATION.
MY ONLY QUESTION REPRESENTING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS HOURS OF SERVING ALCOHOL. IT IS WIN A THOUSAND, I GUESS 840 FEET OF THE SCHOOL SO THAT IS OUTSIDE THE PARAMETER FOR THE COUNTY SET FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES SO I WONDERED THE HOURS THAT THESE BEVERAGES WILL BE SERVED.
>> I'M GOING TO HAVE IF SOMEBODY FROM THE CDD WANTS TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE WE ARE, WE THE DEVELOPER IS SPONSORING THIS MINOR MODIFICATION BECAUSE IT'S THEIR PUD BUT I DON'T KNOW THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT THE CDD HAS BEEN POSTING THESE EVENTS.
>> HI. BELINDA THARP, GENERAL MERG FOR TROUT CREEK SHEARWATER. TYPICALLY HOURS ARE ON WEEKEND FRIDAY NIGHT SATURDAY AFTERNOON SUNDAY AFTERNOON.
THEY ARE ALL STAFFED. THEY'RE NOT LEFT UNATTENDED.
THE IDEA IS TO BE ABLE TO OFF TERRY FOOD TRUCKS AND THE LOCAL BREWER LIST TO COME IN. THEY ARE SELLING IT.
THEY ARE PROVIDING THE DISTRICT WITH THE SORT OF COI, THEIR LIABILITY INSURANCE, SO IT'S 2-3 HOURS FOR EVENTS ON THE WEEKEND
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 5?
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
FRANK MURPHY, 247 DALTON CIRCLE ST. AUGUSTINE.
I AM A RESIDENT OF SHEARWATER. I ALSO SIT ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR TROUT CREEK COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WHICH OVERSEES SHEARWATER. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE. I'VE BEEN LIVING IN SHEARWATER FOR FOUR YEARS. WE HAVE ABOUT 2,000 HOMES BUILT AND OCCUPIED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES AND ABOUT 6,000 RESIDENTS THERE NOW. WE HAVE A VERY ACTIVE COMMUNITY THE FOCAL POINT BEING THE KAYAK CLUB WHERE THE POOL IS LOCATED AND THE OUTPOST. I WOULD SAY WITHOUT EXAGGERATION WE HAVE 20-30 COMMUNITY EVENTS A YEAR PLUS OBVIOUSLY THE RESIDENTS USING THE POOL FACILITIES ALL THE TIME.
THEY REALLY WOULD LIKE THE RESIDENTS WANT FOOD TRUCKS, THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT OPTION WHEN THEY PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMUNITY EVENT. AS WELL AS YOU KNOW TRADE SHOWS CRAFT SHOWS THINGS LIKE THAT. THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, IT'S GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT JUST ENHANCES THE LIVING EXPERIENCE FOR THE RESIDENTS BUT IT ALSO PROMOTES LOCAL BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, THE FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS AND THE CRAFT SHOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO IT'S A WIN-WIN BOTH FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES SO WITH THAT, I JUST SINCERELY REQUEST THE BOARD APPROVE THIS MINE ON MODIFICATION. THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS RONNIE MURPHY LIVE AT SHEARWATER.
I'M A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY AND DESIRE TO HAVE THE FOOD TRUCKS. SHEARWATER WAS PROMOTED AS A LIFESTYLE COMMUNITY FULL OF LIFESTYLE EVENTS.
WE HAVE BEEN EVERYTHING THESE LIFESTYLE EVENT SINCE I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE EVERYTHING FOOD TRUCKS, VERY FAMILY ORIENTED, KIDS LOVE HANGING OUT AT THE POOL, PARENTS LOVER BEING ABLE TO GET FOOD AND NOT HAVE TO COOK FOOD AND A LET OF PEOPLE IN THE
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NEIGHBORHOOD DO CRAFTS AND MAKE THINGS AND THEY WANT TO BE IN OPEN AIR MARKET WHERE THEY CAN SELL THEIR TWAERS AND WE HAVE HAD ALL THIS UNTIL SOMEONE REALIZED WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THIS TOUGH. WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE. IT'S A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.IT'S A NICE COMMUNITY TO LIVE AND INCLUDING THESE REASONS FOR
EVERYTHING THAT. >> THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS CHRIS [NAME] I LIVE ON [ADDRESS] COURT SHEARWATER. THE BIGGEST APPEAL WHEN WE CAME TO THE COMMUNITY WAS WE CAME ON THE FIRST FRIDAY OF THE MONTH WHERE THEY HAD FOOD TRUCKS AND IT WAS AWAY TO BRING RESIDENTS TOGETHER TO MEET AND GREET AND SOCIALIZE AND GET TO KNOW ONE ANOTHER. ACTUALLY IT WAS THE BIGGEST SELLING POINT FOR US TO MOVE FROM THE STATE THAT WE WERE FROM TO DOWN HERE. IT WAS JUST THE WAY WE WERE ALL PEOPLE WERE ALL TOGETHER, SHARING AND TALKING AND JUST YOU KNOW AROUND FOOD AND POOL AND ALL OF THAT, SO PLEASE CONSIDER THE FOOD TRUCKS AND OPEN AIR MARKET EVENT THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PLENTY AND IT WAS JUST AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE AT SHEARWATER. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, CONDITION E AND CONDITION 9 WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO COMPLY WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY ALCOHOL BEVERAGE ORDINANCE AND SALE TO PERSON UNDER 21 ORDINANCES.
THOSE ARE GENERAL CONDITIONS AND WOULD BE CONDITIONS REGARDLESS THE WAY THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THOSE REGARDLESS WHETHER THE CONDITIONS ARE IN THERE BUT THE CONDITIONS ARE ADDED SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION. SO THOSE SHOULD HOPEFULLY NOT BE
CONCERNS FOR THE BOARD. >> YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS
WITH THE COMMISSION? >> NOT THAT I BELIEVE, NO.
ALL RIGHT, MOTION. >> MOTION TO PROVE MINOR MODIFICATION 2023-10 BASED ON 7 FINDINGS OF FACT SUBJECT TO TEN CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> MOTION AND SECOND. >> IT'S JUST A GREAT COMMUNITY.
JUST FROM THE PEOPLE THAT'S BEEN HERE.
IT'S FANTASTIC AND I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PUDS COMING UP HERE. I GUESS THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO SEE ON A NORMAL BASE NICE WE WERE CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY THAT TOO. MAYBE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE COULD BE UPDATED TO RECOGNIZE THE MODERN DAY AMENITIES THAT
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INCLUDE FOOD TRUCKS AND OPEN AIR MARKETS AND ALL THAT STUFF.>> AND AS NON-RESIDENT I'VE ACTUALLY GONE THERE TO THE FOOD TRUCKEE CONVENIENT BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT SOME OF THE BEST ONES. THEY REALLY DO.
>> OKAY, LET'S TAKE A VOTE. >> OKAY, THAT MOTION PASSES.
>> ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER 6 MR. GUTHRIE. IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION? SEEING NONE.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LUKE GUTHRIE.
>> I'M KAITLYN GUTHRIE. >> WE LIVE AT 397 MARSH COAT DRIVE. WE HAVE LIVED AT OUR HOUSE FOR FOUR YEARS, NEW COMMUNITY. AS A COMMUNITY WE VISITED POSSIBLY HAVING A COMMUNITY POOL BUT 60 PLUS HOME COMMUNITY AND THOUGHT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH SPACE TO DO THAT SO NO CURRENT PLANS TO HAVE A COMMUNITY POOL. A LOT OF NEIGHBORS EVERYBODY PUTTING IN POOLS AND WE HAVE CONTRACTED SURFSIDE POOLS.
WE ARE REQUESTING OUR PUD THE WATER LINE THE PROPERTY LINE IS THE SET BACK REQUIREMENT IS 10 FOOT WE ARE ASKING 8.5 FEET SO A FOOT AND A HALF MORE. HERE'S THE SURVEY SURFSIDE POOL THAT THEY PUT THE SITE PLAN ON. WE ARE LOOKING TO BUILD A 10 FOOT BY 22 FOOT WIDE POOL THERE. WE ARE THE FIRST HOME ON MARSH
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COAT DRIVE THAT CURVES. WE ARE PIE SHAPE AND ON THAT SOUTH SOUTHEAST CORNER SQUEEZES IN ON US SO WHEN WE DIDN'T REALIZE WE WOULD STRUGGLE WHEN SURFSIDE WAS TRYING TO FIT IT IN THERE WE RAN INTO THIS ISSUE AND LED US DOWN THIS PATH TO REQUEST A VARIANCE. NEXT SLIDE SHOWS SOME RENDERINGS. THE RIGHT ONE IS NO VARIANCE AND SEE HOW THERE'S KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE NOTCH THERE.THAT'S THE CORNER WE ARE JUST TRYING TO CREATE A NICE UNIT ON.
SO, IT SQUEEZES IN ON US FOR THE FIRST LOT.
IF YOU LOOK OUT OUR BACK WINDOW WE HAVE A SUNKEN LANAI.
THERE'S COMMUNITY OWNED EASEMENT LAND THERE AND OUR BOUNDARIES RIGHT THERE SO THAT THE WHAT YOU SEE OUT OUR BACKYARD.
SO YEAH, WE JUST REALLY WANT TO HAVE A NICE UNIFORM LOOKING POOL RIGHT THERE. WE HAVE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF US BEING A PIE SHAPE, WE STILL WOULD HAVE 20 PLUS FEET FROM THE CORNER OF OUR PA PAVERS TO THE SIDES. THEY KNOW ABOUT THE REQUEST AND WE HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM BOTH OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH. ANY QUESTIONS.
>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >> I'M SORRY.
EVER -- HAVE I GOT MY LIGHT ON? >> ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK IN SEEING NONE, MR. PETER. MOTION TO PROVE MINOR MONTHS
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2023 DIFFICULT 11 BASED ON SEVERAL FINDINGS OF FACT SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.>> APPROVAL, SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? NONE, LET'S VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES.
CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU.
>> ITEM NUMBER 6 MS. KNIGHTING OR SORRY, ITEM 7.
>> I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION JUST BEFORE THE MEETING.
>> FIRST I WOULD SAY WELCOME AND CONGRATULATIONS TO MS. PERKINS
AND WELCOME TO MISS SPIEGEL. >> EX PARTE.
>> YES, I SPOKE WITH AL PANTANO FROM THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT. HE WROTE A LETTER OBJECT TO GO THIS AND HE MENTIONED SOME TERMS IN HIS LETTER THAT I WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH SO HIS NUMBER WAS RIGHT THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LETTER SO I CALLED AND TALKED TO HIM.
>> I ALSO HAD AN EMAIL FORWARDED TO ME REGARDING THIS AS WELL.
>> FOR THE RECORD I'M KATHERINE WITTINGTON [ADDRESS] ST.
AUGUSTINE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT FOUR RIVERS PROPERTY GROUP WITH ME TODAY IS HUNTER DAWKINS ONE OF THE PRINCIPALS OF THE GROUP AND KENLEY HORNE AND SO, AND BLAIR KNIGHTING THE PROJECT PLANNER. BEFORE I START THE TECHNICAL PRESENTATION, HUNTER WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND GIVE YOU BACKGROUND ON HIS COMPANY AND THE DEMAND FORWARD THIS STORAGE SERVICE AND PHYSICAL BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. HUNTER DAWKINS [ADDRESS] SPARTANBURG SOUTH CAROLINA. THAT IS FOR THE TIME.
I'M PRINCIPAL OF FOUR RIVERS PROPERTY GROUP A SELF STORAGE DEVELOPMENT FIRM FOCUSED ON ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT OF CLASS A FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEAST AND BEING THINK OF THAT AS A NEW BIFURCATION IN THE SPACE FROM THE TYPICAL SINGLE STORY SINNER BLOCK BHING TYPE OF DIRECT ACCESS UNITS THAT MAYBE PEOPLE ASSOCIATE WITH SELF STORAGE.
THEY'RE TYPICALLY INDUSTRIAL TYPE WAREHOUSES.
THE NEW CLASS A FACILITIES WE BUILD ARE INTENDED TO MIMICK OFFERS BUILDINGS RETAIL HIGHER END DESIGN AND VIEWED AS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE BY THAT WE HAVE SMALLER UNIT ALL OF OUR
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UNITS FULLY ENCLOSED AND FULLY CLIMATE CONTROLLED INSIDE THE BUILDING. WE TIPCHY CATER TO THE HALLOWEEN DECORATIONS, CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS, THE STAND UP PADDLEBOARD, YOU KNOW, THE EXTRA BEDROOM WHEN SOMEONE DOWN SIZES IS THE CLIENTELE THAT USE OUR FACILITIES AND AGAIN THAT THE WHY WE TRY AND BE IN THESE MORE MIXED USE AND CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTIAL CLIENTELE WE SERVICE AND AGAIN I HAVE THREE OTHER PARTNERS IN THE BUSINESS. WE HAVE DEVELOPED 20 OF THESE THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEAST TOTALLING 3 MILLION EQUATE FEET THE PASS DECADE. THE DEMAND WE BELIEVE THERE'S A STRONG NEED FOR THIS SERVICE IN THE AREA, SO WHAT WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT IS THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET PER PERSON IN A THREE MILE RADIUS. THE REASON WHY DO THREE MILE RADIUS IS BASED ON THE STUDIES AND HISTORICAL AVERAGES ABOUT 85 PERCENT OF YOUR CUSTOMERS COME FROM THAT 3 MILE RADIUS.AS YOU'LL SEE 8-10 SQUARE FEET IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY WOULD CALL EQUILIBRIUM. LESS THAN THAT NEEDS MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE. 8 FEET IS TYPICAL MARKET ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. YOU GO TO TEN FEET WHEN YOU'RE IN A HIGHER GROWTH FASTER GROWING POPULATION MARKET SUCH AS TEXAS FLORIDA ARIZONA. AS YOU'LL SEE WITH OUR ANALYSIS THERE ARE TWO OTHER STORAGE FACILITIES IN OUR 3 MILE WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THE POPULATION IN THE 3 MILE THERE'S ABOUT 2.6 SQUARE FEET PER CAPITA COMPARED TO THE 8 SQUARE FEET TYPICALLY EQUILIBRIUM.
NEXT DOWN WOULD CONSIDER OUR PROPOSED PROJECT BRINGS IT TO ABOUT -- JUST NORTH OF FOUR FEET ABOUT HALF WHERE WE SEE THE TYPICAL EQUILIBRIUM AND BASED ON THE GROWTH PROFILE OF THE AREA WOULD PRODUCE LESS THAN THAT HALF OF THAT NUMBER 5 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. ANOTHER THING THAT WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AND KATHERINE WILL TOUCH ON THIS LATER IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT OUR ASSET CLASS LAST A VERY LOW IMPACT ON PUBLIC SERVICES, UTILITIES, ROADWAYS, SCHOOLS ET CETERA BUT WHAT IT DOES GENERATE IS FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL TAX BENEFIT FOR THE COUNTY SO WE THINK WE ARE A LOW IMPACT ON THE SERVICES BUT STRONG CONTRIBUTOR FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE.
>> SO ON TO THE TECHNICAL PRESENTATION.
THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP. IT'S LOCATED BETWEEN RACETRACK ROAD NORTH TRACK BETWEEN VETERANS PARKWAY AND DURBAN CREEK BOULEVARD. THIS IS A ZONING MAP.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALMOST ENTIRELY SURROUND BUILD THE PUD BUT FOR THAT SINGLE O.R. PARCEL ADJACENT BUT NOT CLUED IN [INDISTINCT] PUD. FUTURE LAND USE SURROUNDED BY THE CREEK DRI LAND USAGE. THIS IS A TRUE MIXED USE PUD WITH OFFERS MEDICAL OFFICE AND RETAIL USES APPROVED.
THE PUD ALLOWS ALL USES UNDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL ZONING CATEGORY OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, INCLUDING PERSONAL PROPERTY MANY WAREHOUSES SO IT IS AN ALLOWABLE USE ALREADY BY RIGHT. HERE'S THE SITE.
THE REST OF THE PUD IS BUILT OUT BUT FOR THIS SITE.
AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S AN INTERIOR INFILL PARCEL THAT THE BEEN VACANT SINCE 2006. THE PUD STARTED OUT AS A MEDICAL OFFICE COMPLEX WHEN IT WAS APPROVED THAT WAS THE INTENT OF IT ALTHOUGH IT DID ALLOW RETAIL AND OTHER KINDS OF OFFICES AND THE EMERGENCY CLINIC WAS BUILT FIRST RIGHT THERE.
AFTER THAT NO OTHER MARYLAND CAL FACILITIES CAME FORWARD.
IN FACT, THERE'S NO INTEREST IN MEDICAL OFFICES OR ANY OTHER KIND OF OFFICES FOR RETAIL. MOST OF THE USES NEED FRONTAGE.
THIS SITE DOES NOTE HAVE THAT THE SO THESE OTHER KINDS OF USES CAME IN. THEY WERE ALL ALLOWABLE USES.
SITE WENT INTO BANKRUPTCY BOUGHT OUT BY THE CURRENT OREGONER AND
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NOW WE HAVE A POTENTIAL USE FOR IT.YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER USES, THE EMERGENCY USAGE FACILITY.
THERE'S A MONTESSORI FREE SCHOOL LITTLE VOYAGERS ACADEMY PRESCHOOL DAY CARE FITNESS GYM VETERINARIAN OFFERS DENTAL OFFICE AND DERMATOLOGY OFFICE. AS MENTIONED THIS IS A TRUE MILK USE PUD APPROVED IN 2006. RESIDENTIAL USE THE REQUEST IS TO ADD 115,000 SQUARE FEET WHICH IS ALLOWABLE IN THE PUD.
WE ARE AT THE SAME TIME REMOVING 10,440 SQUARE FEET OF MEDICAL AND OFFICE AND 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL USES.
SO AS MESSAGE IT'S PARCEL INTERIOR TO THE PUD SURROUNDED BY CONSERVATION AREA. I'M EXTREMELY LOW INTENSITY USE.
IT GENERATE 1165 LESS DAILY TRUST THAN ALREADY APPROVED FOR THIS PUD FOR ITS OFFICE MEDICAL OFFICE RETAIL.
IT'S ALLOWABLE BY RIDE UNDER THE PUD IN RES LAND USE AND AS HUNTER MANAGED A NEEDED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE FOR THE AREA WILL THERE'S NO INCREASE IN ALLOWABLE HEIGHT, 35 FEET, IT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE PUD. IT'S ALSO THE SAME HEIGHT ALLOWED IN THE SURROUNDING CREEK PROJECT.
NO WET LAND IMPACT ARE PROPOSED. .32 ACRES WERE PREVIOUSLY IMPACTED YEARS AGO AND REMAINDER 8.99 WILL CONTINUE TO BE PRESERVED. THERE WILL BE NO CONSERVATION AREA TREE REMOVAL NO OUTSIDE TRUCK STORAGE OR RENTALS NO RV BOAT STORAGE THE BUSINESS HOURS ARE NOT 24/7.
THEY'LL BE RESTRICTED TO BETWEEN 9 A.M. AND 6 P.M. MONDAY-FRIDAY, SATURDAY-SUNDAY 8-8. ACCESS IS RESTRICTED DURING THOSE HOURS AND TO WHEN PERSONNEL WILL BE PRESENT, WHICH IS DURING ALL OPENING OPERATING HOURS.
SO NOBODY IS GOING AFTER HOURS OR AT NIGHT.
SO THESE ARE THE REVISED DEVELOPMENT TOTALS THE DECREASE OF 10,440 MEDICAL OFFERS, 20,000 DECREASE IN COMMERCIAL, UP TO 150 FEET ANDED RESULTED IN NET INCREASE 84,560.
IT RESULTS IN LESS DAILY TRIPS THAN CURRENTLY APPROVED PUD BECAUSE PERSONAL PROPERTY WAREHOUSE IS SUCH A LOW IMPACT TRIP GENERATOR. THESE ARE SOME OF THE ALLOWED USES IN THEED. BY RIGHT SOME OF THE MORE INTENSE HIGHLIGHTED ONES. YOU CAN SEE A BANK WITH OR WITHOUT DRIVE-THRU CONVENIENCE STORES GROCERY PHARMACIES.
THERE YOU SEE THIS USE PERSONAL PROPERTY MINI WAREHOUSE R.V.
BOAT STORAGE RESTAURANTS WITHOUT DRIVE-THRU FACILITIES SO THAT WOULD BE A SIT-DOWN, BREW PUBS AND MICROBREWERIES FOR THIS RESTAURANT THIS PUD HAS DOES ALLOW ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE MDP MAP. THE SITE IS OUTLINED THERE IN YELLOW. SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA, ITS HEIGHT IS 35 FEET, FLOOR RATIO 48 PERCENT AND SOMETIMES YOU SEE STORAGE FALSE LOOKING TO INCREASE THAT WELL BEYOND 48 PERCENT. THIS IS ALLOWABLE UNDER THE CODE AND PUD. ISR 30 PERCENT THE CODE ALLOWS 70 OPEN SPACE 73 PERCENT THE CODE REQUIRES 25 PERCENT.
AND YOU CAN SEE ALL IN GREEN SURROUNDING THIS IS THE 8.99 ACRES ARE WETLANDS THAT ARE COMPLETELY SURROUNDING ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT. HERE'S THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT. IT'S PERPETUAL RECORD CONSERVATION EASEMENT. I'D LIKE TO CALL OUR TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER BILL SHILLING TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC
AND CIRCULATION PLAN. >> THANK YOU KATHERINE.
GOON. I'M BILL SHILLING [ADDRESS] SUITE 2350 JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA 32558.
WE MCKINLEY HORN AND I'VE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC ASPECT OF THE PROJECT AND I THINK ONE OF THE
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THINGS THAT I SEE IS EXCITING ABOUT THIS CHANGE IS THE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME REFERENCE TO BE CONCERNS THAT EVER BEEN RAISED BY SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT POTENTIAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND POTENTIAL TRUCK IMPACT BECAUSE OF THE STORAGE FACILITY SO I WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE COUPLE OF ISSUES HERE TODAY AND THE FIRST IS JUST TO TALK ABOUT TOTAL VEHICLES AND TRIP GENERATION.SO, WE TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE GENERATED, WHAT WOULD LIKELY BE GENERATED ON THE SITE BY THE 10,400 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE OR MEDICAL OFFICE AND WE ASSUMED A 50/50 SPLIT THAT HALF OF THAT WAS MEDICAL OFFERS WAS GENERAL OFFERS AND IN THE 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL THOSE USES THAT WE ARE ELIMINATING AND THOSE USES GENERATE ROUGHLY 1332 TRIPS A DAY, THROAT VEHICULAR TRIPS VEHICLES AND TRUCKS.
ROUGHLY 71 IN THE PEAK HOUR IS THE ESTIMATION, 159 IN THE AFTERNOON PEAK HOUR. THAT IS BASEED ON INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEER'S DATA AVAILABLE NATIONALLY.
WE LOOKED AT ALSO USING ITU DATA FOR THE MINI WAREHOUSE.
ITE PREDICTS A MINI WAREHOUSE THIS SIZE WILL GENERATE ROUGHLY 167 TRIPS A DAY VEHICULAR AND TRUCK TRIPS SO IT REPRESENTS AND I KNOW MS. WITTIINGTON REPORTED TO THAT REDUCTION OF 1135 TRIPS SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THIS USE IS ROUGHLY 15 PERCENT OF WHAT COULD BE GENERATED BY THE CURRENTLY PERMITTED USES IN THE PUD. ANOTHER THING I THINK IMPORTANT THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE HAS ACTUALLY DECIDED TO DELAY THEIR OPENING TIME TO 9 A.M. MANY OF THE MINI WAREHOUSES THAT EVER BEEN STUDIED BY ITE WERE OPENED EARLIER THAN 9:00 AND SO HAD PREDICTIONS OF TRIP GENERATION, ROUGHLY 10 TRIPS IN THE MORNING BASEED ON ITE BUT AGAIN IN THIS CASE KNOWING THE OPENING IS GOING TO BE DEFERRED TO 9 A.M. WE WOULD NOT EXPECT TO HAVE ANY MORNING TRIPS IN THAT TYPICAL 7:30 O'8.
. 30 A.M. PEAK TIME WHICH IS WHEN THE SCHOOLS, WE WOULD HAVE DROP POFF FOR THE SCHOOLS.
SO THE P.M. PEAK HOUR WE ARE LOOKING AT RE-CUBS FROM ROUGHLY 159 TO ROUGHLY 17 TRIPS SO ROUGHLY 11-12 PERCENT OF WHAT COULD BE GENERATED ON THE SITE. SO WE BELIEVE THIS IS A VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN POSITIVE, IN A POSITIVE CHANGE FOR THIS PUD. SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE LOOKED AT AND WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND AND MAKE SURE WE SET UP PROPERLY IS THE CIRCULATION ON SITE.
SO THAT WE DON'T OF OUR TRAFFIC CIRCULATING AROUND THE OTHER USES AND I THINK WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF CREATING AN INTERIOR CIRCULATION PATH IN FRONT OF THE MINI WAREHOUSE SO THE LIGHT BLUE PATH IS OUR CIRCULATION PATH.
WOOEFRD A MARK OUT HOLDING AND UNLOADING ZONE RIGHT AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE TO THE FACILITY, AND WILL ALLOW VEHICLES AND TRUCKS TO BE ABLE TO CIRCULATE IN FRONT OF THE SITE AND NOT HAVE TO IMPACT THE OTHER USERS FURTHER INTO THE SITE.
ALL RIGHT. SO, SECOND ITEM TO TALK ABOUT IS TRUCKS. I THINK WHAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT THIS IS A PERSONAL PROPERTY MINI WAREHOUSE STORAGE FACILITY WHERE THE TYPICAL SIZE OF A UNIT IS ROUGHLY 10 FOOT BY 10 FOOT. THE LARGEST SIZE UNIT IN THE FACILITY WILL BE 10-20. THEY'RE USUALLY 10 BY 10789 THIS IS NOT A LARGE FACILITY WHERE MOVING TRUCKS ARE BRINGING IN A HOUSEHOLD TO STORE FOR SOME AMOUNT OF TIME TO THEN REMOVE AND DELIVER IT. THIS IS FOR FOLKS AS MENTIONED WHO ARE LOOKING TO STORE ADDITIONAL SURPLUS ITEMS THAT THEY HAVE. SO, ONE IS THE SITE IS NOT DESIGNED FOR AND THERE'S NO EXPECTATION OF AN 18 WHEEL VEHICLE TO COME INTO THE SITE AND IN FACT, THAT IS NOT WHAT THE FACILITY IS ABOUT OR INTENDED TO BE.
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SECONDLY ITE DID STUDY, DID A STUDY OF SIX DIFFERENT MINI WAREHOUSES, PERSONAL PROPERTY MINI WAREHOUSES TO COUNT JUST TRUCKS AND THE ITE DATA DEMONSTRATE THAT THE TRUCK TRAFFIC IS MINIMAL TO THESE FACILITIES AND IN FACT A FACILITY THIS SIZE BASED ON ITE IS PREDICTED TO GENERATE ROUGHLY FIVE TRUCK TRIPS IN WHICH EQUATES TO APPROXIMATELY 2-3 TRUCKS A DAY COMING IN AND OUT AND SO, RIGHT NOW OF THAT 167 DAILY TRIMS WE ARE EXPECTING ROUGHLY 97 PER CENT OF THOSE TO BE NON-TRUCKS. AND WHEN I SAY TRUCKS I DON'T MEAN A PICKUP TRUCK BUT AN ACTUAL TRUCK TRUCK THAT IS NOT A PASSENGER VEHICLE. SO THOSE TRUCKS THAT WE ANTICIPATED AND SPEAKING WITH THE APPLICANT BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE AT OTHER FACILITIES THOSE TRUCKS THAT DO COME IN AND OUT ARE TYPICALLY U-HAUL TRUCKS OR TRUCKS RENTED BY USEERS THAT ARE BRINGING THEIR EXTRA GEAR EQUIPMENT TO THE FACILITY AND THEN AS WELL THE OTHER USUAL TYPICAL DHIFRY TRUCKS YOU WOULD HAVE DURING THE DAY POSSIBLY FEDEX MAIL TRUCK IT SET YEAH.SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CERTAINLY WAS STATED AND BROUGHT UP IN THE LETTER THAT WAS WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND OURSELVES, WE READ THE LETTER, CERTAINLY THERE ARE CONCERNS RAISED IN THE LETTER ABOUT STUDENT SAFETY, ABOUT STUDENTS' ROUTES TO SCHOOL AND SO, LIKEWISE, WE WERE VERY CONCERNED.
I HAD STAFF FROM MY OFFICE GO OUT AND DO OBSERVATIONS ZURG THE MORNING PEAK HOURS. AND TO ORIENT EVERYBODY SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS AREA, THIS IS OUR ENTRANCE AND OUR DRIVEWAY. FURTHER TO THE LEFT, BASICALLY TO THE LEFT OF BISHOP ESTATE ROAD WHICH WOULD BE YOUR NEXT SIGNAL TO THE WEST IS FRUIT CODE MIDDLE SCHOOL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD AND THE OTHER DIRECTION TO THE EAST AT I BELIEVE IT'S LINDY, WHICH IS ALSO SIGNALIZED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF LINDY IS DURBAN CREEK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND IT'S ALSO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. THIS IS A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE OBSERVED. WITH THE SCHOOLS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD THE VAST MAJORITY OF STUDENTS THAT WERE EITHER ON BICYCLES SCOOTERS OR WALKING WERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE THE ROAD. WE DID COUNT, SO AT OUR SPECIFIC DRIVEWAY IN THE MORNING FROM 7-8 A.M. WE DID COUNT FOUR STUDENTS THAT CROSSED OUR CROSS WALK AT THE ENTRY DRIVE AND FROM 8-9:00 WE COUNTED FOUR STUDENTS THAT CROSSED OUR DRIVEWAY N. THE AFTERNOON WE COUNTED 8 STUDENTS IN THE FIRST HOUR GOING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND THEN 4 STUDENTS IN THE SECOND HOUR GOING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AS WELL.
SO WHAT WE OBSERVED IS THAT THERE CERTAINLY ARE SOME STUDENTS THAT DO CROSS AT OUR DRIVEWAY, BUT IT IS NOT AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT IT CREATES A SAFETY ISSUE.
AS WELL I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC CONTROL AT OUR DRIVEWAY. WE DO HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL.
WE ARE A STOP SIGN CONTROL DRIVEWAY.
OUR DRIVEWAY YIELDS TO TRAFFIC ON AND HAS TO STOP FOR TRAFFIC ON WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE'S NOT A LEFT OUT WHICH IS TRUE AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF SPACING STANDARDS AND FOR SAFETY REASONS WE DON'T ALLOW LEFT TURNS OUT AND THE CENTER HAS OPERATED IN THAT MANNER SINCE IT WAS OPENED.
SO RIGHT NOW BASETH ON THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WE WOULD BE ADDING WE ARE EXPECTING NO NEW TRAFFIC IN THE A.M. HOURS TO CONFLICT WITH STUDENT TRAFFIC AND WE ARE EXPECTING A VERY MINIMAL NUMBER IN THE AFTERNOON, 17 I BELIEVE WAS THE NUMBER WE HAD, 17 NEW TRIPS, GIVEN THE LOW NUMBERS OF STUDENTS AT OUR CROSSINGS RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING OR SEEING SAFETY ISSUES AND CERTAINLY UNAWARE OF ANY THAT EXIST TODAY. SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK
OVER TO MISS WITTINGTON. >> SOME OF THE BENEFITS AND
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JUSTIFICATION AS MR. DAWKINS SIGNIFICANT ADDED SALES TAX REVENUE FROM WHAT HAS BEEN A LONG VACANT PARCEL, NO WET LAND IMPACT OR CONSERVATION TRIP REMOVE LOW TRIP GENERATOR DRAWN NEED FOR SELF STORAGE IN 3 MILE RADIUS, CREATES LOWER IMPACTS TO EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES, SCHOOL NO KIDS TO BE PUT IN SCHOOLS, UTILITIES ROAD NETWORK EMERGENCY PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES. IT'S BUSINESS HOURS ONLY OPERATION WHEN PERSONNEL ARE ON SITE.THE BUILDING IS ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT NO NIGHT ACCESS.
NO ACCESS WHEN THERE'S NOT PERSONNEL ON SITE.
CLOSE PROXIMITY FOR PERSONAL STORAGE USERS IN THE AREA IT'S BEEN DEMONSTRATED PEOPLE LIKE TO DROP OFF THEIR CHRISTMAS BOXES AND HALLOWEEN BOXES CLOSE TO THEM.
THEY DON'T WANT TO TRAVEL MOOLS AWAY TO DO THAT AND ALSO IT'S LOCATED ON ST. JOHNS COUNTY AUTHOR PAIR URBAN COLLECTOR SO IT'S A GOOD LOCATION FORWARD THIS USE.
NOW TO THE WAIVER. IT'S A REQUEST TO LOCATE THE FACILITY WITHIN 500 FEET OF RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY.
THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL HOME IS APPROXIMATELY 367 FEET AWAY FROM THE FACILITY. I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THAT IN THE MINUTE. IT'S BUFFED BY DENSE VEGETATION.
THE TREES ARE 60 FEET TALL TREES NONE OF WHICH WILL BE REMOVED.
AND IT IS UNDER PERPETUAL CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
THIS REQUIREMENT IS SORT OF AN ANTIQUATED REQUIREMENT THAT WAS NECESSARY FOR THE OLDER TYPE SELF STORAGE FACILITIES THAT WERE SPRAWLING AND HAD INDIVIDUAL GARAGES WITH INDIVIDUAL GARAGE DOORS AND 24/7 ACCESS WITH A GATE.
THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THIS IS IN THIS CO.
IT'S NOT IN NEIGHBORING CODES. WE LOOKED AT DUVALL AND CLAY.
THEY DON'T EVER THIS REQUIREMENT.
THE INTENT WAS TO PROTECT RESIDENTIAL AREAS FROM THE BIG SPRAWLING GARAGE DOOR INDIVIDUAL UNITS.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS HOW WELL BUFFERERED IT IS FROM THE PROPERTY LINES SURROUNDED BY THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND PUD TO THE EAST THE BUFFER IS 250 FEET . . . PROPERTY LINES.
NOW THIS SHOWS WHAT THE 500 FOOT WAIVER IS REQUESTING.
THESE ARE THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO DISTANCES TO THE FACILITY. SO, WE WILL CALL THEM RESIDENCES ABCD AND F. THE CLOSEST IS ON THE LEFT IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL RESIDENCE. THEN GOING UP 423 FEET, 499 FEET, 458 FEET, 463 FEET, 422 FEET SO IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO ALREADY 500 FEET. NOW WE CREATED THESE TO SHOW THE CONCEPTUAL CROSS SECTION VIEWS. THERE THE DISTANCE TO RESIDENCE A. YOU SEE ON THE LEFT UP THE SEE THE CONVERSATION AREA THE PUD AND THE SELF STORAGE FACILITY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, I DOUBT IT WOULD EVEN BE VISIBLE WHAT IS OVER.
AND HERE'S RESIDENCE B. THAT'S A SIX FOOT MAN STANDING THERE. PERSON.
NOT NECESSARILY A MAN. THIS IS RESIDENCE C.
D, E, AND F. IN RESPONSE TO AN EMAIL THAT WE RECEIVED OR A LET THERE WE RECEIVED FROM THE MONTESSORI ACADEMY, THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO PUT IN THIS VIRTUAL WALL OF LELAND CYPRESS FOR LANDSCAPING.
THIS IS WHAT THE MONTESSORI ACADEMY WOULD SEE FROM THEIR PARKING LOT THESE LELAND CYPRESS GROW 20-30 FEET TALL AND THEY GROW FOUR FEET IN A SINGLE YEAR.
THIS IS A SITE FROM INTERIOR. YOU CAN SEE THE INTERIOR SIDE OF
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THAT CONSERVATION AREA BUFFER WHICH WILL REMAIN NO TREES TO BE REMOVED OR WETLANDS IMPACTED. THERE IS THE INTERIOR VIEW FROM RACETRACK ROAD WITH THE BUILDING SUPER IMPOSED.NO HIGHER THAN 35 FEET. IT FITS IN QUITE WELL WITH WHAT'S THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND STRUCTURES THAT ARE ALREADY IN THERE SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S VERY LITTLE VISUAL IMPACT FROM RACETRACK ROAD. THIS IS 500 FEET IN FROM RACETRACK ROAD SO FROM THE STAFF REPORT THAT COMPLIES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. IT'S ALLOWED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USE BY RIGHT AND COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL B FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION AND ZONING.
WITH THAT, THE TEAM IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU
>> I LIKE HOW YOU HAD THE BIRDS DRAWN IN AROUND THE TREES.
>> I DID TOO. >> I LIKE THAT YOU'RE NOT EXCEEDING THE FLORIDA AREA RATIO, THAT YOU'RE AT 48 PERCENT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING BUT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT WET LAND ON YOUR EAST SIDE RIGHT THERE OF THE PROPOSED MINI WAREHOUSES.
SO, I KNOW SOME OF THIS EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE WHEN YOU ADD AND SUBTRACT AND ALL THAT YOU'RE COMING UP WITH ABOUT 85,000 ADDITIONAL SQUARE FEET. WHERE IS THE RUNOFF FROM THAT SITE GOING TO GO? IS THAT POND ADEQUATE TO HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF? IS RUNOFF GOING TO GO INTO THAT
WET LAND AREA. >> I'M GOING TO HAVE TO THE PLANNER OR ENGINEER TO ANSWER THAT BUT CAN YOU SEE THE LARGE
EXISTING UPON TO THE NORTH. >> I WOULDN'T CALL IT VERY
LARGE. >> KNIGHTING KIMLY HORN.
WE HAVE NOT DONE THE COMPLETE ANALYSIS ON THE STORM WATER.
WE ANTICIPATE WE MIGHT HAVE TO WALL PART OF THE POND IF THE POND IS NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR OUR OUTFALL.
>> YOU'LL HAVE TO WALL PAR IT? >> YES, WE MIGHT HAVE TO.
WE HAVE NOT DONE THE ANALYSIS YET.
>> AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WALL PART OF IT, MEANING SOME OF THE ROIF WOULD GO INTO THE CREEK
WE WOULD JUST MAKE INSTEAD OF IT BEING A SLOPE IT WOULD HAVE A
WALL. >> SO IT COULD HOLD MORE.
>> YES, YES SIR. >> IT WOULD BE HIGHER.
>> YES. >> SO YOU HAVE NOT DONE THE
>> I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT PROBABLY FLOWS NORTH ONCE IT GETS INTO THAT WET LAND IF THERE'S RUNOFF AND THAT GOES RIGHT INTO DURBAN CREEK IF THAT'S THE CASE ELEMENT FIT GOES SOUTH IT WOULD GO TO CUNNINGHAM GREEK.
>> I'M A PLANNER NOT ENGINEER. AS FAR AS ST. JOHN'S MANAGEMENT THEY REQUIRE PREPOST SO WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DISCHARGE AT ALL MORE THAN WHAT'S ALREADY DISCHARGED.
>> THAN WHAT'S DISCHARGED EVEN WITH 85,000 ADDITIONAL SQUARE
FEET? >> YES, SO WE HAVE TO DO THE PREPOST ANALYSIS BEFORE WATER MANAGEMENT WOULD GIVE US A
YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED WHEN YOU LOOK AT SECTION 2.03.16-J.
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IT CLEARLY STATES PERSONAL PROPERTY WAREHOUSE FACILITIES BEING WITHIN 500 FEET OF RESIDENTIAL PORTIONS OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT I KNOW KATHERINE YOU SAID YOU BELIEVE THAT THE ANTIQUATED REQUIREMENT.
IS THAT YOUR OPINION SORRY IS THERE LAW TO SUPPORT THAT?
>> WELL, BY VIRTUE OF LOOKING IN OTHER JURISDICTION THAT DON'T HAVE IT, I THINK THIS ISSUE HAS COME UP WITH THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES ON RATIO AND SUBSECTION J THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. EVEN THE MANNED OFFICE USED TO BE A STRAIGHT REQUIREMENT. THEN IT WENT TO, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A MANNED OFFICE IF YOU HAVE OTHER APPROPRIATE SECURITY MEASURES LIKE SECURITY CAMERAS AND THE GATE, WHICH BUILD THESE FOR THE MOST PART AND I KNOW I HEARD YOUR PLANNING DIRECTOR MIKE ROBBER SON TALK ABOUT POSSIBLY REVISITING THIS
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SECTION AND SEEING WHETHER IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO DATE.I WILL ALSO MENTION, IF I HAVE A PICTURE.
>> I WOULD WELCOME SOME TWEAKS TO THAT BUT IT HASN'T BEEN
BROUGHT UP TO DATE YET. >> RIGHT.
I THINK THEY'LL PROBABLY DO IT IN THE NEXT MODIFICATION THEY DO TO THE LAND DWP CODE. TERESA YOU MIGHT WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT. ANYTHING TO ADD?
>> AT THIS POINT STAFF IS NOT WORKING ON ANY CHANGES TO THE PARTICULAR SECTIONS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOR A MINI WAREHOUSE FACILITY. HOWEVER, MY OPINION IS THAT WE HAVE A HUNDRED FEET DESIGNATION THERE TO TRY TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS FROM THAT VISUAL IMPACT OF ANYWHERE HOUSE
TYPE FACILITY. >> AND YOU'VE DEMONSTRATED THERE NEED TO BE NO OR ALMOST NO VISUAL IMPACT AND IT'S NO MORE IMPOSING AND OR HIGH THAN ANY COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT COULD BE BUILT IN THERE UP TO 35 FEET BUT I DO WANT TO SHOW YOU
SOMETHING. >> SO, THE CURRENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE BUILT IN THERE THE E.R. FACILITY THE MEDICAL OFFICES, THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL, THE LOYAL BOYS ACADEMY HOW TALL ARE THROWS
BUILDINGS? >> THEY'RE VARYING HEIGHT BUT A LOT OF THEM, IF I CAN GO BACK AND SHOW YOU THAT, THEY'RE BUILT TO RESEMBLE YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE ARCH ROOFS AND THEY'RE MOSTLY SINGLE STORY BUT THEY'RE BUILT KIND OF TO RESEMBLE TWO STORY. SO THIS SLIDE DEMONSTRATES THAT THIS BUILDING THEY'RE GOING TO MATCH AS CLOSELY AS THEY CAN THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE PUD WITH THE STUCCO EXTERIOR THE ARCHED WINDOWS AND ENTRY WAYS BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE 500 FEET. OUR SITE IS RIGHT THERE.
HERE IS ATLANTIC STORAGE WHICH IS .86 MILES EAST OF THIS SITE AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S BARELY 75 FEET IN BETWEEN THAT ONE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WAS -- IT WAS APPROVED IN 2015 AND THAT USE IS WAS NOT AT THE TIME AN ALLOWABLE USE IN THE JEWELLINGTON CREEK PUI. THEY MODIFIED THOSE PROOUFLS TO ADD PERSONAL PROPERTY WAREHOUSES HAS ALLOWABLE USE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ALLOWABLE USE.
>> SO WAS THAT A THREE STORY STRUCTURE?
>> YES. >> THAT ATLANTIC STORAGE.
>> YES. >> IT'S MORE THE PERIPHERY OF THAT DENSE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD
>> IT'S MORE AT THE PERIPHERY MEANING IT'S FURTHER EAST.
IT'S THERE ON THE AERIAL PHOTO. >> THAT'S THE PROJECT KNOWN AS CELESTINA AND I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE THAT GOES FURTHER EAST.
MY SLIDE IS CUT OFF TO THE EAST. >> THAT'S FINE.
YOU DON'T NEED TO COVER THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT.
>> IT MIGHT BE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AND YOUR MAPS IN THE STAFF REPORT MY SHOW IT. NO, IT CUTS IT OFF TOO.
>> I DON'T THINK IT DOES. I COULD LOOK IN A SECOND HERE.
THE MOST COMPELLING ARGUMENT TO ME AGAINST THIS BESIDES THE FACT IG THINK IT'S INCAPABLE USE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THE TWO LETTERS WE RECEIVED FROM TERESA CRUZ THE DIRECTOR OF THE GUARDIAN MONTESSORI SCHOOL WHO OBJECTED AND AL PANTANA WHO OBJECTED ON SAFETY REASONS AND SO FORTH.
>> UNLESS THEY WITHDRAW THOSE OBJECTIONS I'M GOING TO HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME APPROVING, VOTING FOR.
THIS I LIKE YOUR FAR BUT THEIR CONCERNS ARE NOW MY CONCERNS FOR
WHAT USE GOES IN THERE. >> SO I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THOSE IN THE ORDER THAT YOU PRESENTED THEM.
AS FAR AS IT BEING COMPATIBLE USE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DEEMED CAPABLE USE. IT'S DEEMED CAPABLE UNDER THE
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PUD ORDINANCE ITSELF UNDER 15, SECTION S AND THE STAFF REPORTAGREES IT'S CAPABLE USE. >> WELL IT'S MY PERSONAL
AND THEN WITH REGARD TO THE TWO LETTERS THAT YOU RECEIVED.
>> [INAUDIBLE] >> SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO IT FOR HERSELF DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT MR. PANTANO'S EMAIL WAS DIRECTED TO US AND COPIED TO YOU AND HE IS A DIRECTOR, THE EMAIL EXPRESSES HIS OPINION AS DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD HE'S ALSO AN ADVERSELY AFFECTED PARTY AS DEFINED UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BECAUSE HE'S LOCATED IN 300 FEET OF THE PUD BOUNDARY AND RECEIVED A NOTICE OF THIS.
SO THERE'S TWO THINGS. >> SO YOU DON'T THINK HE'S
OBJECTIVE THEN? >> YOU CAN ASK HELP.
>> I WAS ASKING YOU. >> I CAN'T KNOW WHAT'S IN HIS MIND. I'M JUST POINTING OUT IT APPEARS THERE ARE TWO POSITIONS THAT HE WOULD BE TAKING.
OR AT LEAST MOVING. >> MY LAST QUESTION FOR NOW IS WHY AREN'T YOU USING SOME NATIVE TREES IN YOUR LANDSCAPE PLAN AROUND THAT BUILDING? IS IT BECAUSE THOSE FORM A DENSE
BARRIER AND THEY GROW QUICKLY? >> IT IS AND BECAUSE THEY GROW TO SUCH HEIGHT AND I THINK THEY'VE DONE THAT ON MINUTE OF THEIR PROJECTS BECAUSE IT MAKES SUCH A GOOD VISUAL BUFFER.
>> BUT NATIVE VEGETATION GROWS TO THAT HIGH AS WELL AS TALLER.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT GROWS AS DENSE.
>> IT DOES. >> WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO USE NATIVE SPECIES. IT'S JUST WHAT WE'VE USED IN THE PAST BUT WE WOULD BE HAPPY WHATEVER WOULD BEST ACCOMMODATE THE VISUAL BARRIER AND THE NATIVE SPECIES.
>> AND YOUR THIRD WAS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT LETTER FROM MR. PANTANO AND COULD YOU FIND OUT IF HE IS HERE AND WANTS TO SPEAK? BECAUSE THEN WE WILL RESERVE OUR COMMENTS UNTIL AFTER THAT.
>> WE WILL FIND OUT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE ALL THOSE ANSWERS.
THIS COMMENT IS DIRECTED TO MS. BISHOP AS A NEW MEMBER HERE NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING BY RIGHT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A PUD, THEY AUTOMATICALLY CAN PUT IN A STORAGE FACILITY? I'M SORRY.
I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
>> THE USE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT. HOWEVER IT WILL BE SUBJECT TO SPECIAL USE STANDARDS WHICH HAS BROUGHT THEM HERE.
>> THIS IS WHY WE ARE HERE. I HAVE NOT A QUESTION BUT A COMMENT, YOU SAID THIS PUD TUESDAY ALLOW ALCOHOL.
>> WE ARE TAKING THAT OUT IN THIS MOVING.
IT'S NO LONGER NEEDED BECAUSE WE ARE ELIMINATING THE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL USES. BUT I WILL SAY THAT AS OF TODAY, THEY COULD BUILD A APPLEBYES OR A TWO STORY CVS.
THEY COULD DO ANY OF THOSE USES WITH NO OR APPROVAL JUST GO AND GET THEIR CONSTRUCTION PLANS APPROVED.
WE ARE JUST NOT ADDING A USE. ALL WE ARE DOING IS SUBSTITUTING SQUARE FEET TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE FACILITY.
PLUS THE WAIVER. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE ARE
THANK YOU. I JUST THE COMMENT SURPRISED ME THERE ARE TWO SCHOOLS ON THE PROPERTY.
I ALSO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S CONCERNS AND I GUESS HE HAS THE RIGHT TO ACT IN BOTH PLACES BUT HE DIDN'T EVER MENTION THAT HE WAS CONCERNED AS A CITIZEN.
>> AS BOTH HE HAS THE RIGHT AND ABOUT THE ALCOHOL THESE ARE DAY CARE PRESCHOOLS WHICH ARE NOT POORT OF THE THOUSAND FOOT SEPARATION TO SCHOOLS SO THAT'S WHY THIS WAS AN ALLOWED USE THE ALCOHOL IN THE PUD AND IT'S IN THERE TODAY BUT WE ARE PROPOSING
TO REMOVE IT. >> YOU ANSWERED.
>> PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK PLEASE COME UP. NAME ADDRESS.
>> I'M TERESA CRUZ. I'M WITH GARDEN ACADEMY.
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>> PULL THAT TOWARD YOU. >> I'M TERESA CRUZ DIRECTOR OF GUARDIAN MONTESSORI ACADEMY. I WANTED TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER.
IF I COULD READ THIS. DEVELOPERS ARE REQUESTING A MAJOR MOFRKS TO THE RACETRACK PUD TO ALLOW CURRENTLY ALLOWED COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE FOORJ 55,440 SQUARE FEET TO ACCOMMODATE CONSTRUCTION OF A PERSONAL PROPERTY WAREHOUSE FACILITY OF 115,000 SQUARE FEET. THIS INCREASE PUD THE 84,560 SQUARE FEET. THE PROPOSED REZONING FOR SELF STORAGE UNIT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE ORIGINAL COMPREHENSIVE PUD.
THIS DEVELOPER IS TRYING TO REDUCE THE EXISTING MAKEUP OF THE BUSINESSES ESTABLISHED I.E. REQUESTING TO REMOVE ALL REMAINING COMMERCIAL RETAIL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 20,000 SQUARE FOOT AND REDUCING MEDICAL GENERAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM 55440 TO 45,000 SQUARE FOOT TO CREATE A STRUCTURE NOT INCLUDED UNDER THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
DEVELOPMENT SHOULD RESULT IN A UNIFIED CAPABLE PLAN DESIRE TO EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT MAINTAINS THE CHARACTER AND COMPLEMENT OF CURRENT BUSINESSES ESTABLISHED IN THE COMPLEX AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES ARE HEALTH AND EDUCATION RELATED SINGLE STORY THAT PROVIDE SERVICES FOR LOCAL COMMUNITIES. A MASSIVE UNIT DOES NOT REPRESENT A MORE DESIRABLE ENVIRONMENT TO EXISTING INSTRUCTIONS. MOVING FORWARD WILL HINDER BUSINESSES THAT MATCH THAT ENVIRONMENT AND CREATE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITIES.
THE APPLICANT SITES THIS BUSINESS WILL PROVIDE NEEDED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES HOWEVER MY BEACH SO THERE ARE THREE SELF STORAGE UNITS WITHIN 3 MILES OF THIS PDU, 10 WIN FIVE MILES I CANNOT SEE HOW THIS JUSTIFIES THE PURPOSE.
>> MOVING INSTRUCTION, TRAILERS WILL BRING HIGH ALERT FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN. NOT ONLY IN MY FACILITY BUT THE CHILDREN THAT WALK TO ONE OF THESE THREE SCHOOLS WITHIN 2.5 MILE RADIUS OF THE PUD. THIS BRINGS MORE TRAFFIC TO AND ALREADY HIGH TRAFFIC AREA WITHIN THIS RADIUS.
GUARDIAN MONTESSORI WAS BUILT WITH THE YOUING OF THE ORIGINAL PUD. THIS UNDERSTANDING OF A ONE STORY OFFICE BUILDING OR RETAIL BUSINESSES WAS DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH CURRENT BUSINESSES, THE ADDED NOISE TRUCKS AND TRAILER ARE NOT IN LINE WITH EXISTING EXPECTATIONS OF OUR CLIENTS.
PARENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY DON'T WANT TO SEE A MASSIVE STRUCTURE FROM WHERE THEY ARE CHILDREN ARE LEARNING.
THIS BUILDING CAN HIDE THE EXISTENCE OF OUR SCHOOL ANYONE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING. I SEE NO INDICATION OF EASEMENT TO TRAVEL BACK TO THE POND FOR MAINTENANCE.
THIS IS THE POND WE WERE DISCUSSING.
IT WOULD TO THE BE A THREW WAY FOR TRUCKS AND TRAILERS TO ACCESS THE POND. BY REMOVING THE OPPORTUNITY OF MEDICAL AND RETAIL BUSINESS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD.
>> CAN YOU FINISH UP, PLEASE. >> I'M SORRY.
>> IS THERE ANYBODY NECESSARY THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE.
>> JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT MS. CRUZ BROUGHT UP.
THEY DID A MINOR MODIFICATION TO THIS PUD IN 2018 TO ALLOW THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL. THE ORIGINAL USES SAY RETAIL AND MEDICAL OFFICE. THEY HAD TO ADD THEIR SCHOOL TO IT. SO, IN 2019 THAT PROPERTY WAS SUBJECT TO THIS PUD THAT ALLOWED RETAILED AND MEDICAL AND OFFICE DEVELOPMENT. SO NEVER WAS IT IT PROPOSED I HAD HAD TO BE ONE STORY. ALWAYS IT HAS BEEN 35 FEET INCLUDING THE SCHOOL COULD HAVE GONE TO 35 FEET IF THEY CARED
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TO. SHE MENTIONED IT'S GOING TO CREATE MORE TRAFFIC. IT'S BEEN DEMONSTRATED IT'S GOING TO REDUCE TRAFFIC ABOUT 1165 FEET.SHE MENTIONED THERE'S OTHER STORAGE.
MR. DAWKINS HAS DEMONSTRATED THE DEMAND AND THE NEED FOR THE STORAGE FACILITIES. PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DRIVE I THINK SHE MENTIONED 30 MILES AWAY ONE OF THE LETTERS I RECEIVED TODAY THERE ARE STORAGE FACILITIES IN JACKSONVILLE.
NOBODY WANTS TO GO TO JACKSONVILLE TO DROP OFF CHRISTMAS ORNAMENTS. THEY WANT TO STOP ON THE WAY TO AND FROM WORK DURING THE WEEKEND.
AS FAR AS IS THE EASEMENT FOR THE POND CONCERNED I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THAT OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DRAIN INTO THAT POND AND IN MOST PUDS IN MY EXPERIENCE THERE WILL CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS FOR DRAINAGE ACCESS AND MAINTENANCE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT POND IS ON OUR, WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES.
I BELIEVE IT IS. THIS IS THE FIRST ISSUE THAT'S COME UP WITH THAT. BLAIR, DO YOU KNOW?
>> SO, IT'S IN THE COVENANT SO IT'S A MASTER.
>> THAT'S VERY TYPICAL. SO BILL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER MR. PANTANO'S EMAIL CONCERNS.
>> YES, DEFINITELY. AND I'LL BE QUICK.
I KNOW I HIT ON SOME OF THE ITEMS IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I KNOW THAT MR. PANTANO GENERALLY RAISED FOUR CONCERNS IN HIS LETTER, ONE WAS INCREASE IN TRAFFIC VOLUMES TOTAL TRAFFIC VOLUMES AND GENERALLY INCREASE IN TRUCK TRAFFIC. THE CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC AND STUDENTS GOING TO AND FROM THE SCHOOLS AND JUST OVERALL SAFETY AND SAFETY OF OUR ENTRANCE INTERSECTION SO JUST HITTING THOSE REAL QUICKLY ONE IS AGAIN AS STATED WHAT THE DATA SHOW IS THAT THIS CHANGE WILL RESULT IN A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE SITE, ROUGHLY 80-85 PERCENT REDUCTION WHICH IS A GOOD THING FOR THE SCHOOL KIDS AND THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC THAT ARE OUT IN THIS AREA. THE SECOND ITEM ARE THE TRUCKS AND AGAIN, THE DATA THE ITE DATA SHOWS THAT THIS PERSONAL PROPERTY MINI WAREHOUSES DO NOT GENERATE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATA IN FRONT OF ME BUT IF THIS WERE A CVS OR A RESTAURANT OR ONE OF THOSE USES THAT WOULD FIT IN RETAIL, OR OFFICE, YOU WOULD LIKELY HAVE AS MANY DELIVERY TRUCKS DURING THE DAY AS 2-3 THAT ARE EXPECTED FOR THIS MINI WAREHOUSE. SO I DON'T SEE BEING A HUGE DELTA OR INCREASE IN THE TRUCK TRAFFIC IN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE TALKING ABOUT THE CONFLICTS ABOUT THE STUDENTS.
SO AT OUR SITE WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE OF THE VY VISIBILITY PAINTED CROSSWALKS ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH AGAIN IS TO BRING DRIVERS' ATTENTION TO THE CROSSWALKS. BAYS ON OUR OBSERVATIONS WE WERE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TO FIND THERE'S NOT A HUGE HAMILTON OF STUDENT TRAFFIC OR STUDENT TRAFFIC IN THE AFTERNOONS AND WE BELIEVE ARE ADDRESSING THE MORNING PEAK HOUR BY DELAYING OUR START TIME TO 9:00 SO WE DON'T SEE THIS FACILITY ADDING TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING WHEN THESE STUDENTS ARE CROSSING OUR CROSSWALKS. LIKE AS AN EXAMPLE AN OFFICE WOULD. IF THIS WERE MORE OFFICE SPACE OR MEDICAL OFFICE THERE WOULD BE MORE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING CROSSING THAT CROSSWALK SO WE THINK THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT. OVERALL INTERSECTION SAFETY THIS INTERSECTION HAS BEEN IN PLACE NOW FOR OVER A DECADE I KNOW THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH COUNTY STAFF.
I'M UNAWARE OF THE STAFF I SPOKE TO IS UNAWARE OF ANY KNOWN SAFETY ISSUES OF THIS INTERSECTION.
IT HAS BEEN DESIGNED PER THE COUNTY STANDARDS.
IT DOES RESTRICT LEFT TURNS OUT JUST FOR THE REASONS OF SAFETY AND SPACING. SO IN MY OPINION, HOPEFULLY THAT ADEQUATELY ADDRESSES THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED AND ALLOWS THE AGENCY TO SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
>> I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, TODAY THEY COULD BE PUT RV STORAGE THERE AND USED EVER ALL KINDS OF TRUCKS AND VEHICLES
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COMING IN NOT RESTRICTED HOURS. THEN ONE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IN MR. PANTANO'S EMAIL HE MENTIONED GABBY'S LAW.GABBY'S LAW FLORIDA STATUTE 1006.23 TO IDENTIFY HAS
>> FOR WALKWAYS PARALLEL TO A ROAD, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE, A HAZARD WALKING CONDITION EXISTS IF THERE'S LESS THAN A FOUR FOOT WIDE FOR A STUDENT TO WALK ADJACENT TO THE ROAD. HERE WE HAVE FIVE FEET CLEAR SIDEWALK TO WALK TO THE ADJACENT ROAD.
BUT, AS I MENTIONED, MR. PANTANO OPINED AS HIS DIRECTORSHIP OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S TRANSPORTATION. BECAUSE IT REQUIRES COOPERATION, I WOULD SUGGEST, IS MR. DEZUZA HERE? WILL YOU CALL HIM TO ASK WHETHER THIS IS IS A HAZARDOUS CONDITION. WHILE HE'S WALKING UP, I WILL POINT OUT THAT THIS IS THE ELEMENTARY. THAT IS ATLANTIC STORAGE. IF THAT IS NOT A HAZARDOUS WALKING CONDITION, HOW CAN OUR'S BE.
THERE'S ANOTHER SKCENARIO JUST LIKE THAT. AND IF IT'S NOT A HAZARDOUS WALKING CONDITION, JUST LIKE THAT. AND I LOOKED FOR THE RECORD, FOR DISAPPROVAL. I SAW NO OBJECTIO FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OF THIS BEING A HAZARDOUS WALKING CONDITION. I DID A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY WRITTEN OBJECTION. AND I DID NOT SEE ANY. SO, AGAIN, I WILL ASK HOW CAN OUR'S BE A HAZARDOUS WALKING CONDITION WHEN THE OTHERS
AREN'T. >> MR. DESOUSA, DOES THE COUNTY HAVE AN OPINION WHETHER THIS WILL BE AN ISSUE OR A HAZARDOUS
PROBLEM. >> ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT TRANSPORTATION. THE SCHOOL BOARD COMMUNICATES WITH US WHEN THEY IDENTIFY A HAZARDOUS WALKING CONDITION AND THAT OCCURS WHEN CONSTRUCTION IS OCCURRING AND IT DISRUPTS A SIDEWALK. I DON'T SEE ON ISSUE WHERE A SIDEWALK WOULD BE DISRUPTED. IT'S COMING INTO ESTABLISHED PUD IN A VERTICAL BUILDING. THE ONLY TRAFFIC WOULD BE THE TRAFFIC THAT GOES IN AND OUT OF IT ANYWAY. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WOULD BE PUTTING ANY SIDEWALK OUT OF COMMISSION, IF THEY DID, WE WOULD BE SURE THAT MOT IS OUT THERE TO ROUTE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO THE OTHER SIDE AND ALREADY DETERMINE LOCATION THAT IS WE WOULD HAVE A HAZARDOUS WALK. WE HAVE HAZARDOUS WALKS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST. IN THIS INSTANCE, I DON'T SEE THAT
OCCURRING. >> ANYTHING ELSE FOR US
>> I SAID SOME QUESTIONS, FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT BILL AND CATHERINE. BILL IS ALWAYS VERY CLEAR AND THOROUGH, AND CATHERINE, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY A SKILLED AND COMPETENT AND EXCELLENT ATTORNEY.
>> THANK YOU. >> YOU'VE BEEN GIVING CONVINCING ARGUMENTS HERE. Y'ALL MENTIONED PEOPLE STORYING CHRISTMAS ORNAMENTS AND HALLOWEEN. I HAD TO AVAIL MYSELF FROM ANY WAREHOUSE AND WE DIDN'T STORE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THERE, IT WAS FURNITURE THAT WE STORED. SO, I JUST, I DOUBT THAT IT'S ALL CHRISTMAS ORNAMENTS AND HALLOWEEN
SUPPLIES. >> I THINK PADDLE BOARDS WERE
BROUGHT UP. >> I DON'T HAVE ONE, I GUESS I BETTER GET ONE. AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF SURF BOARDS. BUT, I WANTED TO ASK THE APPLICANT, THE DEVELOPER, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WILL TAKE TO BUILD THIS PARTICULAR MINI WAREHOUSE.
>> I CAN ANSWER THAT, WITHOUT HIM HAVING TO COME UP.
>> HE'S ALL THE WAY BEHIND YOU. THAT'S FINE
>> IT'S ANTICIPATED. I ASKED THE QUESTION, TOO, FOUR TO SIX MONTHS IN PERMITTING AND THEN, APPROXIMATELY 10 MONTHS FOR CONSTRUCTION. BUT, IN, UM, FOR TRANSPARENCY, THE DOCUMENT DOES SAY ONE FIVE-YEAR PHASE COMMENCING UPON APPROVAL.
ALTHOUGH, THEY DON'T ANTICIPATE TO TAKE IT ANYWHERE NEAR THAT.
>> WAS DURBIN CREEK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THERE BEFORE ATLANTIC
STORAGE? >> YES. ATLANTIC STORAGE WAS
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APPROVED IN 2015 AND DURBIN CREEK HAS BEEN THERE SINCE EARLY>> WHEN I SPOKE WITH M MR. PANTANO HE SAID THERE HAD BEEN INSTANCES OF PEOPLE LIVING IN STORAGE FACILITIES. I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T ASK HIM NOW, UNLESS THAT'S HIM STANDING THERE. BUT, WHAT SORT OF SAFEGUARDS MIGHT YOU HAVE AGAINST A PERSON LIVING IN A STORAGE FACILITY. AND I'M VERY SORRY TO HEAR THAT PEOPLE MIGHT BE DRIVEN TO SUCH ENDS. BUT...
>> AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE THE OLDER TYPE WHERE EACH TENANT HAD INDIVIDUAL ACCESS, 24/7. YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A CODE. IN THIS CASE, THIS FACILITY IS ONLY OPEN WHEN IT'S MANNED. SO, NO ONE CAN GO IN AND OUT AFTER OPERATING HOURS.
AND THEY DO A SWEEP. AND... >> I WAS ONLY BRINGING MY
SLEEPING BAG IN. >> YES. YOU CAN'T OPERATE A BUSINESS OUT OF THEM. NO HAZARDOUS MATERIALS ARE ALLOWED TO BE STORED. AGAIN, IT'S PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED AND MONITORED 24/7 WITH SECURITY CAMERAS ET CETERA AND IT'S LOCKED. SO, WE'RE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN IT EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD NOT BE OPEN. I'M SURE THERE ARE INSTANCES THAT MAYBE THAT HAPPENED, BUT, THAT IS NOT HERE.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SIR, YOU'RE STANDING UP, BUT, PUBLIC COMMENT'S PASSED. IS HE A PART OF YOUR TEAM?
>> NO. >> CHAIR: I'M SORRY, WOULD
YOU HAVE A SEAT PLEASE. >>> OKAY. WE'RE BACK TO THE AGENCY. ARE YOU MR. PANTANO? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK INTO THE
AGENCY FOR A MOTION, PLEASE. >>> MR. GREENE?
>> WE'RE GOOD. WE HAVE ONE ON THE FLOOR, SEE HOW IT GOES,
RIGHT? >> UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJMOD PUD WITH THE FACTS PROVIDED BY THE
STAFF. >> CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> SECOND. >> CHAIR: WE HAVE A SECOND BY
MR. PIERRE. ANY DISCUSSIONS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I'M REALLY ON THE FENCE ON THIS ONE, IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL OBJECTIONS AND THE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER AN OFFICIAL SCHOOL BOARD OBJECTION, I WAS HOPING MR. PANTANO WOULD BE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS. I GUESS HE'S NOT. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, I AGREE THAT YOU HAVE BY RIGHT, THE ABILITY TO BUILD A STORAGE FACILITY IN THERE, BUT, YOU ARE HERE ASKING FOR A MAJOR MODIFICATION OF THIS AND WAIVER. SO, UM, GIVEN SOME OF MY RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE SCHOOLS FACT, I THINK IT WAS STATED IN THE AMOUNT INDICATION MATERIALS, I READ THAT IN THIS ONE THAT THE CURRENT OCCUPANTS, TENANTS IN THERE'S BUILDINGS HAD BEEN CONSULTED AND NO ONE HAD OBJECTIONS. IF THE MONTESSORI
SCHOOL HAS OBJECTIONS, SO... >> IF I MAY JUST ADDRESS THAT.
WHEN THAT APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED, MR. DAWKINS REACHED OUT TO ALL THE TENANTS AND IN FACT, THE OTHER THAN OF THE MONTESSORI PROPERTY, HE E-MAILED AND SPOKE WITH AND SENT ELEVATIONS AND THE APPLICATION AND NEVER HEARD BACK. AND HE TRIED TO REACH HIM AND REACH HIM. SO, AT THE TIME OF THE APPLICATION, UM, THAT WAS WHAT WE BELIEVED. AND THERE'S ONE THING THAT I SHOULD PUT IN THE RECORD, I'M SORRY IT DIDN'T GET SENT SOONER, BUT, THIS IS FROM MARK RUBEN, THE MANAGING PARTNER OF DD 300 LLC AND DD 400 LLC. HE OWNS THE FOUR, LITTLE ACADEMY, THE DENTIST, THE DERMATOLOGIST AND THE FOURTH ONE THERE, HE OWNS THOSE PROPERTIES. AND HE HAS CONSULTED WITH ALL OF HIS TENANTS AND WE WROTE THIS LETTER. TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, IN EARLY 2023 WE WERE APPROACHED BY FOUR RIVERS PROPERTY GROUP CONCERNING THE LAST REMAINING UNDEVELOPED PARCEL IN THE DOCTOR'S VILLAGE PUD. SINCE THEN, WE'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION ON THE STATUS AND VISION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. FOUR RIVERS PROPERTY GROUP HAS BEEN WILLING TO LISTEN TO AND INCORPORATE FEEDBACK FROM US TO CREATE WHAT WE BELIEVE IS A QUALITY AND COMPATIBLE PROJECT
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FOR THE PUD. WE APPRECIATE THE WILLINGNESS TO INCORPORATE ARCHITECT URAL FEATURES THAT WILL ENSURE COHESIVENESS BASED ON THE ABOVE, WE'RE WRITING TO SHOW OUR SUPPORT FOR THE FOUR RIVERS PROPERTY GROUP PROPOSED SELF-STORAGE PROJECT. THAT, NOW, ONLY LEAVES THE EMERGENCY CLINIC AND MR. DAWKINS HAS SPOKEN WITH THEIR REPRESENTATIVES, AND THEY HAD NO ISSUES AND WISHED HIM GOOD LUCK. WHICH, DO YOU NEED HIM TO TESTIFY TO THAT EFFECT, OR, CAN I DO IT FOR HIM?>> YOU CAN'T TESTIFY FOR HIM. BUT, IF THEY COULD DECIDE AS A BOARD WETHER OR NOT THEY WANT NEED ANY FURTHER EVIDENCE THAN
WHAT YOU ARE PROVIDING. >> DO YOU WANT ME TO LEAVE THE
LETTER? >> DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE
TO SAY, DR.? >> THERE'S BEEN PRETTY CONVINCING ARGUMENTS MADE, PARTICULARLY, THE TRAFFIC COUNTS. AND THE FACT THAT NO RESIDENTS NEARBY, EXCEPT FOR PERHAPS, MR. PANTANO, I'M NOT SURE, BUT, UM, NONE OF THEM HAVE OBJECTED TO THIS. SO, THAT WEIGHS ON ME AS WELL. BUT, I'M STILL ON THE FENCE ON THIS. BUT, UM, AFTER READING
[8. MAJMOD 2023-15 Villages of St. Augustine.]
EVERYTHING TODAY AND CONSIDERING IT AND STUDYING IT OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS, I WAS PROBABLY GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT, BUT, I THINK THAT I'VE BEEN PERSUADED TO VOTE FOR IT GIVEN THE PRESENTATIONTODAY. SO. >> THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION,
LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE. >> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT THAT
MOTION PASSES 5-1. THANK YOU. >>> LAST ITEM, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM NUMBER 8, MS. DERDIN. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX-PARTE?
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR TIME TODAY. MY NAME IS BRE IN, NA DERDIN, FOR THE RECORD, I'M WITH LEWIS LAWMAN AND WALKER AND MY ADDRESS IS 245 RIVERSIDE AVENUE SUITE 510, JACKSONVILLE. I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. BURN BEN KEHR LLC AND I HAVE WITH ME DWAYNE LONG.
UM, WHO IS ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES WITH BURN BEN CARE AND WE'RE HERE TODAY ON A REQUEST FOR A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO, UM, TO PROJECT THAT'S BEEN CALLED FOR MANY YEARS THE VILLAGES OF ST.
AUGUSTINE. NOW, LET ME SEE IF I CAN DO THIS. THE VILLAGES OF ST. AUGUSTINE WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2007 PURSUANT TO A PUD ORDINANCE. AT THAT TIME, THE PROJECT CONSISTED OF A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, A BANK, AND, RETAIL COMMERCIAL USES ON APPROXIMATELY 12 PLUS ACRES OF LAND. IN 2012, A MINER MODIFICATION WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY TO TRANSITION THE MULTIFAMILY USES TO A 130 BED ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. THE SAME BANK AND THE SAME RETAIL COMMERCIAL USES REMAINED PART OF THE PUD. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON HIGHWAY 16 ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 16, JUST TO THE EAST OF WOODMEIR ROAD. YOU'LL NOTICE THIS PROPERTY, THE 8.9 ACRES IS THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PUD. THE FULL PUD IS 12 PLUS ACRES. AND, THE PORTION THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE EIGHT ACRES THAT YOU SEE OUTLINED HERE IS THE PORTION THAT'S STILL RELEVANT AND STILL PART OF THE APPROVED PUD FOR THE BANK AND FOR THE COMMERCIAL USES. THE RETAIL COMMERCIAL USES. THOSE USES WILL REMAIN. THIS MAJOR
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MODIFICATION APPLICATION DOES NOT AFFECT THAT PORTION OF THE PUD. LET ME GO BACK TO THIS. TO THE PROPERTY HAS A MIX OF COMPANY ESPECIALLY USES ALONG HIGHWAY 16, THERE ARE HOMES LOCATED ON NORTH 10TH STREET THAT YOU SEE TO THE EAST. THERE ARE A SCATTERING OF HOMES LOCATED TO THE NORTH OF THIS 8.9 ACRES. AND, UM, ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS THE HIGHWAY, IS THE ST. JOHNS RIVER STATE COLLEGE, AND THE THE ROYAL ST.AUGUSTINE GOLF COURSE. >>> OUR CURRENT REQUEST IS TO TAKE THE EXISTING ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY THAT'S LOCATED ON THE ON ON THE NORTHERN PORTION, THE 8.9 ACRES TO A CLASS THREE GERIATRIC ACUTE CARE PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL. IT WOULD BE ONLY FOR SENIORS 55 AND OLDER, AND IT WOULD BE A 70-BED HOSPITAL. THE BANK AND RETAIL COMMERCIAL USES FRONTING ON HIGHWAY 16 WOULD REMAIN THE SAME AND NOT BE IMPACTED. THE, UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT SITE PLAN AND I GUESS YOU COULD SEE IT BETTER ON YOUR SCREENS. UM, THE THERE ARE NO CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE SITE PLAN WHATSOEVER. THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT IS THERE TODAY WOULD BE CONVERTED INSIDE INTO THE HOSPITAL FACILITY. IT'S, THE HOSPITAL, THE ALF IS ABOUT 42,000 SQUARE FEET. AS I SAID EARLIER, CURRENTLY IT'S 130 BED ALF. THIS WOULD BE A 70-BED HOSPITAL. THE APPLICANT HAS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY LOOKED AT THIS CAREFULLY. THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN CONVERT THE SPACE INSIDE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE INTO, UM THIS SPECIALTY HOSPITAL. NO OTHER IN FACT, NOT EVEN THE FIRST SHOVEL OF IS GOING TO BE, UM, NECESSARY FOR THIS SITE. THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES MEETS THE CODE, THE LANDSCAPING MEETS THE CODE.
THERE'S A 50-FOOT SETBACK, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS 50 FEET FROM ANY OF THE PROPERTY LINES. THE BUFFER AND THE LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING ALL MEET THE CODE THAT'S THE LEVEL B-20 YOU ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. IT'S A 20-FOOT BUFFER AS WELL AS SIX FOOT FENCING. AND ALSO TREES EVERY, I THINK IT'S 10 FEET, 20 FEET, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT, THEY'RE IN PLACE AND OF COURSE, IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO THOSE TREES, THOSE WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, UM, REPLACED. THE ACCESS AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS SITE PLAN, THE ACCESS IS ON HIGHWAY 16. THERE IS THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY FOR THE FACILITY IS VILLAGE CROSSING COURT, THAT'S THE NAME OF THE ROAD. IT'S ACTUALLY A ROAD, NOT JUST A DRIVEWAY. IT DOES HAVE A MEDIAN, THERE IS A SIGN AT HIGHWAY 16 THAT SIGN WOULD STAY THE SAME SIZE, IT'S A MONUMENT SIGN THAT CURRENTLY IDENTIFIES THE ALF. THE, UM, ONLY CHANGE TO THAT SIGN, OF COURSE, WOULD BE THE MESSAGE, THE NAME ON THE SIGN. HERE YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSAL FROM YEARS AGO FOR THE BANK AND RETAIL COMMERCIAL. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGE TO THAT.
AND, IN FACT, IT'S EVEN SEPARATE OWNERS. IT'S NOT THE SAME OWNER AS THE ALF. LET ME MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO, I WANT TO TALK
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A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HOSPITAL ITSELF. IT'S A, IT'S NOT WHAT WE NORMALLY THINK OF AS A HOSPITAL. IT'S VERY DIFFERENT.IT'S, WELL, FIRST OFF, 70-BEDS, THAT PART'S THE SAME. BUT, IT'S GERIATRIC IN THE SENSE THAT THERE IS A REALLY NEED FOR SERVICES FOR PEOPLE FUNCTIONING AT A GERIATRIC LEVEL. THE 55 AND OLDER ONLY IS A VERY SPECIALIZED AREA AND COMMUNITY THAT IS TRULY IN NEED OF SPECIALIZED CARE. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS HOSPITAL IS MEANT TO BE. THERE ARE NO EMERGENCY ROOM SERVICES ASSOCIATE WOULD THIS HOSPITAL THERE ARE NO EMERGENCY AMBULANCE RECEIVING SERVICES. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FROM THE SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, WILL THERE BE NOISE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS? WILL THERE BE A LOT OF ACTIVITY, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU TYPICALLY MIGHT SEE WITH A NORMAL, AVERAGE HOSPITAL. BUT, BECAUSE THIS ONE IS VERY LIMITED TO CERTAIN COMMUNITIES, AND CERTAIN AGES AND CERTAIN TYPE OF MALLITIES IF YOU WILL. THAT'S MY WORD, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE TECHNICAL WORD. BUT, IT DOES NOT FUNCTION LIKE A NORMAL HOSPITAL. AND THERE'S ALSO NO INVOLUNTARY ADMISSIONS. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE EVERYONE WHOSE THERE, IS THERE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE THERE. I WAS SPEAKING TO ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND THEY ASKED SPECIFICALLY WHETHER WE WOULD HAVE BAKER ACT PATIENTS AND THE ANSWER IS NO. THIS IS A VOLUNTARY ADMISSION. THE CLASSIFICATION AND THE STATE LEVEL IS A SPECIAL CLASS 3 HOSPITAL LICENSURE. AND, OF COURSE, WE WOULD BE LICENSED BY THE STATE TO OPERATE. UM, THE SITE DETAILS, I JUST WANT TO, I MENTIONED SOME OF THESE THINGS, IT'S IMPORTANT GIVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MAJOR MOD WAS REQUIRED BECAUSE IT WAS A CHANGE OF USE.
NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING ABOUT THE SITE OR, THE, UM, THE USE THAT WE WERE REQUIRING OR REQUESTING. IT WAS REALLY, JUST BECAUSE OUR CODE CALLS FOR IF THERE'S A NEW USE. THEN, YOU NEED TO COME IN AND ASK FOR A MAJOR MOD. THE FOOTPRINT, AS I SAID, WILL STAY THE SAME OF THE BUILDING. THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. AGAIN, NO CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN. THE SIGNAGE AS I MENTIONED IS THE SAME. ALL THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND ANY APPLICABLE REGULATIONS, PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS MUST BE MET. OF COURSE, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT HAPPENS WITH A HOSPITAL THAT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN AN ALF IS THE FIRE CODE AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT HAPPEN FOR FIRE THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL'S GOING TO REQUIRE. THERE'S OTHER THINGS, TOO, LIKE, THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE DOORKNOBS LOOK LIKE. AND THINGS THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT FOR A PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL THAN THEY WOULD BE IN AN ALF. SO, FINDINGS FOR FACT OF APPROVAL. HE HAVE SIX FINDINGS OF FACT IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. OBVIOUSLYIOUS WE BELIEVE THAT WE MEET ALL OF THO SOME OF THOSE INCLUDE BUFFERS OR THAT THE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MED FOR A MAJOR MODIFICATION APPLICATION. WE CLEARLY BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE MET ALL OF THOSE. A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MENTION, OH, BEFORE I FORGET, THE STAFF REPORT, THERE ARE NO OUTSTANDING STAFF COMMENTS. SO, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN OVER THAT HURDLE. THE BACK TO THE HOSPITAL USE. THE CLOSEST FACILITY THAT FOCUSES ON PSYCHIATRIC CARE FOR, UM, FOR, GERIATRIC, I STARTED TO ELDERLY, BUT, GERIATRIC FOR THIS
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COMMUNITY IS A UNIT LOCATED NODES THE FLAGLER HOSPITAL IN BONELLE. WE BELIEVE THAT UNIT HAS 20 OR MORE BEDS IN IT. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE OTHER HOSPITALS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.MANY HOSPITALS REALLY APPRECIATE HAVING THE SPECIALIZED HOSPITAL TO CARE FOR THIS COMMUNITY. IT FREES UP THEIR SPACE FOR BEDS FOR OTHER PURPOSES. ONE LAST THING. WE'VE NOT SCHEDULED A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. WE WOULD BE GLAD TO DO THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLE THE WEEK AFTER THANKSGIVING. THERE ARE, UM, IF I WONDER IF I COULD GO BACK TO -- DO YOU SEE ON NORTH 1 10TH STREET, THOSE HOMES, THE BACKYARDS BACK UP TO THAT PROPERTY LINE. WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO ANY NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS. WE'VE HEARD NOTHING TO DATE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS ANY CONCERN, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN GLAD TO MEET WITH THEM AND SCHEDULE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THROUGH TERESA AND THE COUNTY STAFF. THE TREES ARE NOW QUITE TALL. I WOULD SAY, AND BY THE WAY THIS BUILDING IS ONLY 16-FEET TALL. THE TREE ARE QUITE HIGH. AND THERE'S THE FENCE AND THEN THERE'S THE 20 FEET AND AS I SAID, THE BUILDING IS SETBACK 50 FEET. BUT, FROM THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, IT CLEARLY CAN'T, I THINK WITH THE TREES, THERE'S CLEARLY A BUFFER THERE AND A SCREENING THAT IS IN ADDITION TO MORE THAN JUST THE FENCE. SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THE NEIGHBORS ARE EVEN COGNIZANT OF THE FACILITY IN THEIR BACKYARDS. BUT, WE WOULD BE GLAD TO DO THAT IF, UM, THERE'S ANY DESIRE FOR THAT TO OCCUR. SO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. LET ME GO BACK TO UM, BUT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND I KNOW THAT MR. LONG IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
>> CHAIR: THANK YOU. DR. HILSENBECK?
>> WHAT IS THE OCCUPANCY RATE IF YOU KNOW OF THE CURRENT 130-BED ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY
OF THOSE BED ARE FILLED? >> I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.
PERHAPS DWAYNE DOES. >> GOOD ARCH, DWAYNE LONG, 1207 LAKE COURT, CARAMEL, INDIANA. THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE TO THE OWNERS, IT WAS AROUND 45ISH PERCENT.
>> SO, UM, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THOSE PEOPLE WHEN THIS FACILITY CHANGES OWNERSHIP AND PURPOSE?
>> YEAH, THERE'S A TIME LINE PERIOD REQUIRED THAT THEY WOULD GET TO ALL RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW TO HELP THEM FIND ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS. AND IN MOST STATES AND I'M NOT PARTICULAR WITH THIS ONE, IT'S USUALLY A 60 TO 90 DAY PROCESS, BUT, FOR US, IT WILL TAKE HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES, IF IT TAKES LONGER, WE'RE OKAY WITH GRANTING IT LONGER. BECAUSE, YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO BE FORCED TO TRY AND FIND A PLACE BECAUSE OF A DEADLINE BECAUSE IT
IS THEIR HOME. >> THAT'S MY CONCERN, AND I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT WE NEED MORE MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES IN THIS COUNTRY, ABSOLUTELY. BUT, I, DISLIKE BEING PUT INTO THE
GERIATRIC CATEGORY. >> YOU KNOW, AND I QUESTIONED EVEN USING THAT TERM BECAUSE I'M INTO THAT CATEGORY MYSELF. SO, I MIGHT JUST CHANGE IT TO OLDER ADULTS.
>> WAY OVER IT. >> CONCERNING, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF, CONCERNING NOTICE AND SIGNAGE AND ALL, WERE THERE ORANGE SIGNS ADVERTISING THAT THIS MEETING WAS GOING TO
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TAKE PLACE ANYWHERE ELSE BESIDE ON 16TH STREET PLUS ON 10TH STREET AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAD TO MAIL OUT LETTERS.>> WE DID MAIL LETTERS OUT TO PEOPLE UP TO 300 FEET OF THE PROPERTY AND WE DID POST THE PROPERTY AND WE WER REQUIRED TO POST EACH ROADWAY. SO, IF THERE WAS AN ADJACENT ROADWAY TO THIS PROPERTY, WE WOULD HAVE PUBLISHED THAT AS WELL.
>> THAT'S IT. >> I WANT TO ALSO SAY I'M VERY THRILLED THAT I DO THINK THIS IS A NECESSARY THING. ESPECIALLY WITH THE INCREASE IN ALZHEIMER'S AND DEMENTIA IN THE SENIOR POPULATION. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I LOVE THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE THE FOOTPRINT, IT'S A PLACE THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED. I THINK IT'S A PLACE MUCH NEEDED. MY BIGGEST OBJECTION IS THE DESIGNATION OF THOSE 55-YEAR-OLD YOUNG ONES AS GERIATRIC. I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF I LOVE THAT SO MUCH AS A PERSON OF A CERTAIN AGE. BUT, I'M VERY IN FAVOR OF THIS, AND, I ALSO FEEL COMPASSION FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THERE AND JUST DO HOPE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH OUT THERE THAT'S NOT TOO OUT OF REACH FINANCIALALLY. AND I THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THE NEIGHBOR, UM, THE RESIDENTS'S CONCERNS THAT YOU WOULD ADDRESS
THAT, SO, THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> CHAIR: ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS? >> CHAIR: AT THIS TIME WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM
NUMBER 8, PLEASE COME UP. >> MY NAME'S TERRANCE AND I'M AT 809 OAKLAND AVENUE, THE POND ON THE OTHER EDGE. I WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD, YOU GUYS ARE GREAT NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU. I WANT TO BE SURE HOWEVER THERE'S NOT 20, I BELIEVE IT'S 15-FOOT VARIANCE BETWEEN MY PROPERTY, THE POND AND THE PARKING THERE.
AND ALSO WHAT CONCERNS ME IS IF THERE'S ANY REGULATIONS WITH THE FIRE. UM, WITH THE NATURAL CONSERVATORY. MY FATHER SOLD THIS PROPERTY, WELL, I BOUGHT IT FROM MY FAMILY AND HE PURPOSEFULLY GOT WITH THE DEVELOPER AND ARRANGED FOR AN ENVIRONMENTAL SETBACK FOR BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES AND A 6-FOOT FENCE TO BE MAINTAINED AT ALL TIMES. WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS IF, WELL, THE FDA SAYS WELL, YOU GOT TO BULLDOZE ALL OF THAT LAND. POND IS KEEPING YOUR PARKING LOT DRY. AND I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THAT NATURAL FLORIDA THAT YOU SET ASIDE, THANK YOU, WILL NOT BE DISTURBED. ALSO, 4:10, 4:30 GARBAGE PICKUPS MONDAY MORNINGS. BUT, I WANTED TO SAY AS A NEIGHBOR, I WANTED TO THANK YOU AND I WANTED TO ALSO POINT OUT, THAT, YES, IT IS NEEDED AND THEY'RE A GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE.
THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE TO SAY. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER, YOU CAN ADDRESS HIS COMMENTS ONCE PUBLIC COMMENT IS DONE. IS THERE ANY OTHER PERSON HERE TO SPEAK? OKAY. SEEING
NONE. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> I'LL JUST ADDRESS THE FIRE THING. THE ONLY CHANGES ON THE FIRE IS THE INTERIOR. EXTERIOR, NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE. NO PROPERTY LINES, WE JUST HAVE TO ADD A LOT MORE, WHAT DO WE CALL THEM, SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. RIGHT NOW IT'S CURRENTLY A ONE HOUR FIRE BUILDING WE HAVE TO CHANGE THAT TO TWO. THAT'S ADDITIONAL SPRINGLERS, OTHER THAN THAT,
NOTHING ON THE OUTSIDE. >> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT WE'RE
BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR MODIFICATION BUILDINGS OF ST. AUGUSTINE, BASED ON THE
FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN >> CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND
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