[4. Proposed Settlement Agreement with Continental Heavy Civil Corp. Regarding Hurricane Matthew and Hurricane Irma FEMA Emergency Berm Restoration Project.]

ITEM NUMBER FOUR, AGREEMENT WIT CONTINENTAL HEAVY CIVIL. I

THINK THE BOARD WILL RECALL -- >> NICOLE HAS TO USE THE PHONE,

WE UNDERSTAND. >> THE COUNTY ENGAGED WITH THE CONTINENTAL HEAVY CIVIL CORPORATION TO CONDUCT THAT AND CONTRACT WITH THEM IN JULY OF 2021, THE FINAL COMPLETION WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED TO MARCH O THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND AFTER TH EXTENSION DUE TO COVID RELATED ISSUES AND THE IMPACT IT HAD ON SAND SOURCING AND TRUCKING THAT WAS EXTENDED UNDER THE CONTRACT THAT WE ALSO RECEIVED AN EXTENSION FROM FEMA ON THE PROJECT AND IT WAS EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF 2022 THERE STILL REMAINS IN THE CONTRACT APPROXIMATELY $3.6 MILLION UNDER THE BUDGET THAT HAS NOT BEEN PAID BY THE COUNTY THEREAFTER THE COMPLETION OF TH PROJECTS, CHC RECEIVED CLAIMS THAT THEY BELIEVE WAS RECOVERABLE AFTER THE CONTRACT, AND CHC AGAIN EXHIBITED THAT TO SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES RELATED TO WORKER SHORTAGE, STRIKING SHORTAGE, SAND ISSUES AS WELL A GOPHER, TORTOISES AND THE RELOCATION OF THE PROJECT, WE ENGAGED IN REMEDIATION IN THE MIDDLE OF LAST MONTH. SO, WE DIDN'T GET TO THE REMEDIATION, WE REACHED A GENERAL AGREEMENT, THE COUNTY WOULD AGREE TO PAY THE REMAINING BALANCE OF THE BUDGET IN THE FORM OF $830 THOUSAND, THE REST BEING HELD I THE ATTORNEYS TRUST, SUBJECT TO THE COUNTY SUBMITTING THAT TOTA AS A CLAIM FROM FEMA AND IF THE CLAIM IS NOT REIMBURSED BY FEMA

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THEN THE PARTIES CAN CONTINUE T FIGHT IF THEY WANT AND CONTINUE TO MAKE THEIR ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE RECOVERABILITY OF THE COST.

I SHOULD SAY THIS NOT A DISPUTE ABOUT WHETHER CHC INCURRED THE COSTS, THEY DID. THOSE MATERIAL AND THE BACKUP HAS BEEN RENEWED BY THE DISASTER RECOVERY TEAM, THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER THE COSTS WERE RECOVERABLE UNDER TH CONTRACT . WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE ANY SETTLEMENT HAD IN IT THE POSSIBILITY THAT IF IT WERE NOT REIMBURSED BY FEMA, THAT TH COUNTY WOULD GET THAT MONEY BAC AND MAINTAIN ITS DEFENSES ON TH ISSUE OF RECOVERABILITY. I THIN THE FULL AGREEMENT IS INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA PACKET, THE SUMMARY IS ON THE SCREEN BUT IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS CAR

IS THE PROPOSED MOTION . >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY

QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. >> I DO APOLOGIZE, THE MOTION I

A BIT OF A MOUTHFUL . >> INAUDIBLE MAC

>> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> OKAY, I WILL JUST MAKE A MOTION ON MY SCREEN, I WILL ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 APPROVING THE TERMS AND PROVISIONS AND REQUIREMENTS FOR SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN CONTINENTAL HEAVY CIVIL CORP. AND ST. JOHNS

[5. Agreement between the St. Johns County Community Redevelopment Agency and Vilano Beach Main Street, Inc.]

COUNTY REGARDING THE HURRICANE MATTHEW, HURRICANE IRMA FEMA RESTORATION PROJECT AND AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DEAN, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU , WE ARE GOING TO RECESS THE REGULAR BOARD COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING AND CONVENE AS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, I'M HERE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE WHICH I AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND THE LLANO BEACH MAIN STREET. JUST SOME BACKGROUND, THE AREA WAS DESCRIBED -- ESTABLISHED IN 2002, IT IS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO AND PRESERVING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER AND ECONOMI VITALITY OF THE VILANO BEACH TOWN CENTER THROUGH ITS IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FLORIDA MAIN STREET PROGRAM. THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAS COLLABORATED WITH VBMS SINCE 2018. AS A PAR OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS, VBMS REQUESTED AND WAS APPROVED FOR ONE YEAR REQUEST OF FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $58,000 FOR TH PURPOSE OF PROVIDING SERVICES AND SUPPORTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY WITHIN THE CRA. I HAVE TWO MEMBERS HERE, MR. ANDERSON, IF

THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS . >> I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU I HAVE GONE DOWN THERE AND I WAS AT YOUR MEETINGS AND I'M REALLY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT YOU GUYS AR DOING DOWN THERE, REALLY, GREAT PLANNING, CAN'T WAIT FOR CHRISTMAS, THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD?

>> DID WE DO PUBLIC COMMENT, I MISSED THAT.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA

ITEM NUMBER FIVE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> I'M HERE TO ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE $58,000 AND IT

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APPEARS THAT MAYBE YOU HAVE BUT I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR 2023 PARTICULARLY COMMISSIONER DEAN, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, WHO REALLY EMBRACED US AND HOPEFULL WE HAVE DONE EVERY THING WE SAI WE WOULD DO. I HAVE TO SAY THAN YOU TO A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE, PARKS AND WRECKS BECAUSE SHE HELPED GUIDE US, SHAUNA AND THE ENTIRE TEAM, ROBERTO, JOE, JENN HAVE ALL BEEN AT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND JACK HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE. I HAVE TO THINK -- SAY THANK YOU TO SARAH FOR LOOKING FOR CREATIVE WAYS FOR FUNDING FOR US, THEY HAVE GONE LINE BY LINE IN THE BUDGET AND ANYTIME THEY NEEDED ANYTHING, THEY HAVE HELPED US OUT. YOU WILL SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS, WHEN YOU GO INTO THE ENTRYWAY, YOU WILL SEE THE NEW SIGN, THE TILE THAT WERE DONE BY THE STUDENTS OF THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF AND BLIND, WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER GROU THAT EVERY SATURDAY MORNING HELPS THE COUNTY WITH CLEANING UP VILANO AND THERE IS A LITTL DEVELOPMENT GOING ON, WE ARE STARTING OCEAN PARK PROJECT , THE PARCEL ON THE CORNER THAT WAS THE OLD PIZZA HUT, TWO OF THE BUILDINGS WERE APPROVED LAS WEEK. HALEY'S COURT AND HALEY' PUB ARE BOTH UNDERGOING A CLEANUP AND TRANSFORMATION AND NATHAN STEWART IS PROPOSING A NEW FISH RESTAURANT. THE ROADS ARE BEING PAVED FOR THE FIRST THREE UNIT TOWNHOUSE BUILDING T BE BUILT AND LAST WEEK THE HYAT OPENED, IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE , IT IS FINALLY HERE. I DON'T WAN YOU TO THINK WE ARE STOPPING, W HAVE A LOT OF FUNDRAISING EVENT PLANNED THIS WEEKEND, IT IS VIBRATIONS FIRST WEEK IN NOVEMBER, WINE, WHISKEY AND WILDLIFE AND WE ARE PLANNING A HOLIDAY CELEBRATION AND WE ALREADY HAVE A FEW EVENTS PLANNED FOR NEXT YEAR AS WELL.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S REALLY THANKS TO YOU THAT WE HAVE THIS WHOLE THING STARTED AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO SO MUCH BEAUTIFICATION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JOE WILL ANSWER THEM

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANY FURTHE PUBLIC COMMENT? WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION, I JUST WANT TO REFLECT FOR A MOMENT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW, I WISH TH AUDITORIUM WAS FULL LIKE IT WAS EARLIER TODAY SO EVERYBODY COUL HEAR THIS. BUT, THEY HAVE PUT I LITERALLY CLOSE TO 40 HOURS PER WEEK IF NOT MORE IN THEIR VOLUNTEER ROLE TO ACCOMPLISH AL THE THINGS THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. IT HAS BEEN AMAZING TO WORK WITH THEM AND WATCH THEM REALLY DO SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB FOR VILANO BEACH. IT'S PRETTY REMARKABLE. WITH THAT SAID, I WILL MOVE , MOTION TO ADOPT CRA RESOLUTION 2023 2, APPROVING TH EXTENSION OF THE TERMS PROVISIONS AND CONDITIONS OF TH CONTRACT, ST. JOHNS COUNTY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND THE LLANO BEACH MAIN STREET, IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $50,000 FO THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING SERVICES AND SUPPORT OF ECONOMI DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE VILANO BEACH COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA AND AUTHORIZING THE COUNT

[6. County Administrator Recruitment Process.]

ADMINISTRATOR OR DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE SAME FORM AS ATTACHED.

>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD? THAT PASSES, 5-0. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CONGRATULATIONS TO VILANO BEACH. WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN AS THE CRA AND RECONVENE AS THE BOARD OF COUNT COMMISSIONERS. THAT TAKES US TO

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS AGENDA ITEM SIX IS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR RECRUITMENT PROCESS. AS YOU ARE AWARE IN JULY, YOU ALL DETERMINED THAT YOU WANTED TO UNDERTAKE A NATIONWIDE SEARCH FOR THE NEXT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, I GAVE DIRECTION TO HUMAN RESOURCES STAFF AS A PART OF YOUR DIRECTION AND OUTSIDE CONSULTIN FIRM WAS BROUGHT UNDER CONTRACT, THIS BOARD ALSO SET U A SCREENING OR SELECTION COMMITTEE CONSISTING OF JERRY WILSON, CLERK BRANDON PATTY, COMMISSIONER DEAN AND HR

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DIRECTOR, HUTCHINSON. THE AD WA PUT OUT BY GOVHR USA , THEY USE THEIR EXPERTISE TO DISSEMINATE IT FAR AND WIDE, OVER 100 APPLICATIONS WERE SUBMITTED FOR THE OPEN LOCATION, THEY TOOK A LOOK AT THOSE APPLICATIONS AND CAME UP WITH A LIST OF 12 PROPOSED FINALISTS FOR THE SELECTION COMMITTEE TO FURTHER THAT. THEY ALSO PROVIDED A FULL LIST OF CANDIDATES IN CASE THE SELECTION COMMITTEE WANTED TO ACQUIRE ABOUT ANY OTHER APPLICANTS. ON OCTOBER 6, WE HAVE A PUBLICLY NOTICED MEETING WHERE THEY MET WITH GOVHR USA, REVIEWED THE 12 CANDIDATE PROFILES IN DEPTH AND THAT SELECTION COMMITTEE MADE A MOTION TO INVITE FIVE OF THOSE 12 TO INTERVIEW VIA ZOOM WITH THE COMMITTEE AND THAT SUBSEQUENT MEETING HAPPENED ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 9TH AT ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING, THE SELECTION COMMITTEE INTERVIEWED THOSE FIV APPLICANTS. SUBSEQUENT TO THE INTERVIEWS, THE COMMITTEE DELIBERATED AND RECOMMENDED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS INTERVIEW ALL FIV CANDIDATES AS A PART OF ITS SELECTION PROCESS. THIS NEXT ITEM IS NOT IN THE SLIDES AND THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS NEW INFORMATION AS OF THE LAST HOUR AND THAT IS ONE OF THE FIVE RECOMMENDED CANDIDATES HAS GIVE US NOTICED TODAY THAT HE IS WITHDRAWING FROM THE PROCESS AN THAT IS MR. SCOTT ANDERS. I WIL TOUCH ON THAT AGAIN WHEN IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO MAKE A MOTION.

SO I JUST RECEIVED AN EMAIL ON THAT. AS THE PROCESS WAS SCHEDULED ORIGINALLY AND IS STILL ON TIME, ON TRACK, THERE' GOING TO BE A SPECIAL BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING OCTOBER 31ST, THE BOARD WILL INTERVIEW THE CANDIDATES CHOOSE TODAY, THE SELECTION COMMITTEE MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, YOU CHOSE THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR EXPERTISE AND THEIR SKILLS BUT ULTIMATELY IT STILL YOUR DECISION AS TO WHETHER YOU WANT TO INTERVIEW, WHAT THE SLIDE SAYS IS FIVE BUT IS NOW THE FOU COME YOU CAN ADD ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES AND DELETE CANDIDATES, YOU CAN LOOK AT CANDIDATES ON THE ORIGINAL 105 PERSON APPLICANT LIST. YOU HAVE DISCRETION TO CHOOSE WHOMEVER YOU WANT TO INTERVIEW ON THE 31ST. AND GOVHR USA, THE CONSULTANTS WILL BE HERE THAT DAY . THE DAY BEFORE ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 30TH, TIME HAS BEEN SET ASIDE FOR ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS IF ANY COMMISSIONER DESIRES TO INTERVIEW THE FINAL ONE ON ONE.

THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. ADDITIONALLY, GOVHR HAS SCHEDULED WITH THE ASSISTANCE, A PUBLIC MEET AND GREET, IF YOU WILL, I BELIEVE IT WILL BE OUT IN THE ROTUNDA ON MONDAY OCTOBE 30TH FROM 4:00 THROUGH 6:00 PM. THERE WILL BE ICE CREAM, SO ALL THE MORE REASON TO COME AND MEE THE CANDIDAES. WHICH LEADS ME BACK TO WHY THIS AGENDA ITEM IS BEFORE YOU TODAY. ULTIMATELY IT IS YOUR DECISION AS THE BOARD O WHO YOU WANT TO INTERVIEW. YOU COULD CHOOSE TO INTERVIEW THE NOW FOUR RECOMMENDED CANDIDATE, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO ADD APPLICANT OR DELETE APPLICANTS OR TAKE AN OTHER ACTION. A PROPOSED MOTION HAS BEEN PROVIDED, THAT NEEDS YOU TO LIST THE NAMES OF THE FINAL INTERVIEWEES AND TO THE BLANK LINE ON THE MOTION. THE SECOND PAGE OF THE AGENDA ITEM HAS THOSE FIVE NAMES AND AGAIN, WE LEARNED THAT MR. SCOTT ANDREWS HAS WITHDRAWN FROM CONSIDERATION. AT THIS POINT I' AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS BUT IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, MAYBE OPEN IT UP FOR A BOARD DISCUSSION AND MOTION.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE DAVID, I THINK YOU SAID IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT THE SEARCH COMMITTEE INTERVIEWED TH FIVE CANDIDATES ON ZOOM ON OCTOBER 9TH AND I WANT ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS TO KNOW THAT WE INTERVIEWED ALL 12 AND AFTER INTERVIEWING ALL 12, WE HAD A DISCUSSION AND THEN CHOSE WHAT CONSIDERED TO BE THE TOP FIVE, BUT THE OTHER MEMBERS DIDN'T AGREE WITH ME BUT WE DID INTERVIEW ALL 12 AND I WANTED T NOTE THAT AND REALIZE THAT WE DIDN'T JUST INTERVIEW FIVE, THA IS ALL.

>> THANK YOU MISSION OR DEAN. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A QUIC CLARIFICATION FROM DAVID , OF THE INTERVIEWS DONE INDIVIDUALL WITH COMMISSIONERS OR VIA ZOOM OR ALTOGETHER, HOW DOES THAT

WORK? >> YOU MEAN COMING UP IN TWO

WEEKS? >> YES.

>> OF THE MEETING ON OCTOBER 31ST, EACH CANDIDATE WILL COME ONE AT A TIME IN A SETTING JUST LIKE THIS, SO IT'LL BE A GROUP INTERVIEW. WITH GOVHR'S EXPERTISE, WE ASKED THE OTHER

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CANDIDATES TO EXCUSE THEMSELVES FROM THE PROCEEDING TO HELP PROTECT THE INTEGRITY, IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING, TECHNICALLY THE COULD ATTEND IF THEY WANT TO BU IT DOES NOT LOOK FAVORABLE UPON THEM IF THEY CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE WISHES OF THE BOARD BUT WE WANT A FAIR PROCESS, SO WE DON' WANT CANDIDATE NUMBER TWO, THREE, AND FOUR LISTENING IN ON THE Q&A SESSION TO PERHAPS GET AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. SO IT'LL B A GROUP INTERVIEW SETTING IN TH

SUNSHINE ONE AT A TIME. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN, DID YOU INTERVIEW ALL 12 ONLINE BECAUSE

I SAW FIVE. >> WE ACTUALLY INTERVIEWED VIA

ZOOM ALL 12. >> WHERE CAN I SEE THE REST OF THOSE? I SAW THE FIVE, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS MORE.

>> WE INTERVIEWED 12 CANDIDATES IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE SEARC FIRM THAT WE ENGAGED, HE WENT THROUGH THE 105 APPLICATIONS AN RECOMMENDED, WE COULD HAVE ADDE MORE AND YOU COULD ADD MORE IF YOU WISH ON THE 30TH, I BELIEVE BUT WE TOOK HIS RECOMMENDATION OF THE TOP 12 AND WE INTERVIEWE EACH OF THOSE ONE BY ONE, ALL O THE SAME DAY, OCTOBER 9TH, AND WE RANKED THE TOP FIVE, NOT IN

ORDER, BUT JUST THE TOP FIVE. >> I THINK THE FOUR THAT WERE LEFT WERE GREAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> BUT WE HAVE THAT ON TAPE. AL 12. YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER SEVEN IF YOU WISH BECAUSE I'M SURE WE HAVE A COPY OF IT, INTERVIEWS O

THE OTHER SEVEN. >> I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS A

Q&A WITH THE OTHER SEVEN. >> MAYBE I'M FORGETFUL, I THOUGHT WE DID. I INTERVIEWED MORE THAN FIVE.

>> I WAS HERE AS LEGAL COUNSEL BUT THE COMMITTEE TOOK AN IN-DEPTH LOOK AT THE 12 RESUMES AND ASKED QUESTIONS, WE HAD FEEDBACK FROM THE HEADHUNTERS, THEY INTERVIEWED ALL 12 INDIVIDUALLY AND PROVIDED FEEDBACK AND GUIDANCE.

>> WELL I FEEL LIKE WE INTERVIEWED ALL 12, IT TOOK ALL

DAY. >> YOU TOOK A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THOSE PACKAGES, BUT IT WAS FIVE. ON OCTOBER 6, YOU FULLY VETTED ALL 12 IN A LENGTH PROCESS AND ON OCTOBER 9TH,

THERE WERE FIVE ZOOM INTERVIEWS >> DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD, MS. HUTCHINSON, I KNOW YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE,

ALSO THE HR DIRECTOR. >> YES, I WAS ON THE SELECTION COMMITTEE WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN. THAT LAST PART IS ACCURATE, WE HAD 12 THAT WE HAD TO CHOOSE FROM AND FROM THERE W CHOSE FIVE FINALISTS THAT WE ENDED UP DOING IS AN INTERVIEW WITH ON A SUBSEQUENT DAY AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING NOW FOUR OUT O

FIVE. >> OKAY, SHOULD WE HEAR PUBLIC

COMMENT? >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HOLD PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER SIX.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> THANK YOU FOR ACTUALLY DOING A SEARCH, WE SHOULD HAVE DONE ONE ON NOVEMBER 19TH OF 2019, INSTEAD OF HIRING UNQUALIFIED COMRADE, HE WAS A CO-CONSPIRATO IN A FEDERAL INDICTMENT FOR BRIBERY AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE HA THIS FOR FOUR YEARS, SO THANK YOU FOR DOING A NATIONAL SEARCH AND ONE OF YOU ACTUALLY APPEARE BEFORE YOUR COMMISSIONER PRINT SO WE DON'T NEED A NATIONAL SEARCH AND IF WE DID NEED ONE, [INDISCERNIBLE] I THINK WHEN ROBERT KENNEDY USED TO TELL HIS STAFF WHEN HE WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SENATOR, DON'T TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD HAVE DONE, TEL ME WHAT I SHOULD DO NOW. WHAT YOU SHOULD DO NOW WHEN YOU HAVE THESE INDIVIDUAL ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS, PLEASE VIDEOTAPE THEM BECAUSE THAT IS A PART OF THE HISTORY OF THIS PERSON'S EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT. AND YOU SHOULD ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO BE PROCESSED -- PUBLIC FOR THE INTERVIEWS AND THE COUNTY CHAIRMAN WILL ALLOW A PUBLIC HEARING. WE WERE ALL PRESENT FO THE INTERVIEWS AND THAT IS A

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PART OF HAVING THE SPIRIT OF OPENNESS. ALSO, HOW WAS THIS CONSULTANT HIRED AND WHY? IT TURNS OUT, HR.GOV, THEY HAVE A MAN, THE FORMER COUNTY OF INITIATOR, DO YOU KNOW WHO HE IS? HE WAS RUNNING THE SHOW, ALSO GUIDING THE MEMBERS OF THE PANEL, I'M DISAPPOINTED FIRST O ALL THAT HE DISCOURAGED THE MEMBERS FROM INTERVIEWING A COUPLE CANDIDATES WHO HAVE STOO UP FOR PEOPLE'S RIGHTS. THERE WAS ONE IN PARTICULAR IN THE VIDEO, ONE WHO STOOD UP AND SAI THAT HE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT PURCHASING AND HE ENDED UP LOSING THAT JOB AND RATHER THAN SAYING THAT IS THE KIND OF PERSON WE WANT, THEY GOT RID OF THAT ONE. BUT I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED, I SENT YOU A COPY HE GAVE A BILL CLINTON KIND OF APOLOGY FOR THE WAY HE BEHAVED ATROCIOUSLY, HE SAID I ASKED TH CANDIDATES THE NUTTIEST QUESTIONS HE HAD EVER SEEN AND ASKED FOR THEIR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TRANSCRIPTS, HE APOLOGIZED, WE DON'T NEED TO HIRE THAT FIRM EVER AGAIN AND I WOULD LIKE THIS BOARD TO PLEASE ASK THE CANDIDATES TO ANSWER MY DOCUMENT REQUEST AND MY QUESTIONS. HE WAS HOSTILE AT TH VERY BEGINNING OF THE ZOOM MEETING ON THE NINTH AND APPARENTLY HE DIDN'T THINK I WA GOING TO BE IN THE ROOM BUT I HEARD WHAT HE SAID AND YOU SHOULD, TOO. THAT IS NOT THE KIND OF PERSON THAT SHOULD BE WORKING FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THANK YOU.

>> ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMEN ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY QUESTIONS. NOW IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO MEET WITH THE FOUR REMAINING RECOMMENDED

CANDIDATES ONE-ON-ONE. >> YES, AND THERE'S PROBABLY ANOTHER DAY OR TWO LOGISTICALLY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO DO THE ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS AND LILLIAN HUTCHINSON OR MAGGIE WOULD BE YOUR CONTACT PERSON FOR THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE SCHEDULING.

[Additional Item 2]

>> I WILL GO AHEAD AND OFFER A MOTION TO SELECT JULIE ANDREWS, SARAH CAMPBELL AND JAMES HARRIE JUNIOR AS FINALIST FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION T BE INTERVIEWED AT A SPECIAL MEETING SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 31ST AT 9:00 AM AND OPERATE THE

FINALS. >> SECONDED.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES, THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVE WHICH WAS FORMERLY CONSENT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. DO WE HAVE A STAF

PRESENTATION? WELCOME. >> ST. JOHNS COUNTY, GROWTH MANAGEMENT, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT

HAVE FOR THIS ITEM. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> SINCE THIS CAME BACK ON THE AGENDA FROM THE LAST TIME, I THINK I VOTED AGAINST IT TWO WEEKS AGO. BECAUSE IT IS NOT A CONTINUOUS PIECE BUT, SINCE THEN, A LOT OF THINGS CAME TO M KNOWLEDGE, THAT WHEN I SAW THE MANAGEMENT PLAN, I WAS WONDERIN WHY WE WOULDN'T SEE THE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM PLAN BEFORE

WE VOTED ON IT. IS THAT COMMON? >> YES, IT IS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE MANAGEMENT PLAN, CONCEPTUAL MANAGEMENT PLAN REVIEWED BY THE BOARD, AND PASSED ON TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL AND THAT IS DONE

PRIOR TO ACQUISITION. >> WE VOTED ON THE PEACE WITHOU HAVING THIS PLANT IN FRONT OF US, WAS THAT THE WRONG ORDER?

>> FOR THIS ONE, I WOULD SAY YES, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF DELAY IN THE REAL ESTATE PROCESS. BUT YES, YOU ARE CORRECT, IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE CONCEPTUAL PLAN FIRST AND THEN

ACQUISITION. >> THAT IS WHY I WANTED TO SEND IT BACK TO THE BOARD, AND IN TH MEETING LAST WEEK THEY SAID THE WISHED THEY HAD THIS MONEY BACK AND THEY GOT TWO REALLY NICE PIECES THAT THEY WISH THEY COUL APPLY THE MONEY TO. I KNOW WE

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ARE STILL IN THE PHASE WHERE WE HAVEN'T BOUGHT IT YET, I THINK THERE IS SOME WASTEWATER CONTAMINATION SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY IN SOME LOCATIONS. I JUST THOUGHT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO, FOR $700,000, FIND A PIECE THAT IS TOGETHER AND THINGS THA WE CAN USE. ANYONE WANT TO BRIN OUT WHO WE BROUGHT THE LAND FROM, OR HOW WE ARE PAYING $700,000 TO? DO WE KNOW WHO THA

PERSON IS? >> I BELIEVE REAL ESTATE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL, WE HAD IT INCLUDED IN THE PROPERTY DATASHEET, AS FAR AS THE OWNER.

>> I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT IS THE MAYOR OF SAINT AUGUSTINE'S SON, SO I'M A LITTL BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. THAT IS WHY I WANTED IT TO GO BACK T THE BOARD AND IF THEY THINK IT' OKAY TO GO FORWARD AT THAT POINT, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING T BRING TO THE BOARD.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> I HAVE CHATTED WITH STAFF A BIT, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE CLOS ON THE PROPERTY WITHOUT GETTING ANSWERS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED O THE PROPERTY. WE ARE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE NOW, WE SHOULD HAVE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED TO ME ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, PRIOR TO OUR NOVEMBER 21ST COMMISSION MEETING. SO I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT THE NOVEMBER 21ST MEETING WHERE WE HAVE ANSWERS TO VERY GOOD QUESTIONS, THAT I DON'T HAVE TH ANSWER TO TODAY BUT WILL HAVE O THE 21ST, AND IF WE CHOOSE TO G FORWARD, WE WILL HAVE TIME AT THAT POINT TO EITHER CANCEL THE CONTRACT, OR EXERCISE THE CONTRACTS.

>> THAT IS FINE, DO WE MAKE A MOTION TO PUT IT ON? HOW DO WE

DO THAT? >> WELL, THE MOTION ACTUALLY WA APPROVED ON THE GRAPH CONCEPTUA PLAN, SO IF YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY. ANY QUESTIONS ?

>> I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE HEAR

THE MOTION. >> THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEA PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 [INDISCERNIBLE] THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT LAND AND HO IMPORTANT THAT IS AND SOME OF YOU MADE THE DECISION NOT TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS TREE ORDINANCE, THAT MAKES IT ALL THAT MORE CRITICAL, AND PEOPLE ARE REALLY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT. A COUPLE THINGS HAVE COME OUT, MS. BREWER DID MENTIO THAT IT IS FILTERED RUNOFF FROM NEIGHBORING FARMLAND WHICH CAN CONTAIN CHEMICALS, AND FURTHERMORE, THE BOARD MEMBER TOOK PICTURES, IF THEY CAN BE BROUGHT UP, THESE SIGNS AROUND THE AREA, IT SAYS FUMIGANT, THA WAS VERY CONCERNING. THE FACT THAT HIDING BEHIND THE LLC, PUTTING $700,000 INTO HIS POCKET. WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD FOR THAT TO HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED IT IS NOT ACTUALLY DESIGNATED LAND, EVEN HIS THE BLUE -- EVEN THOUGH IT IS THE BLUE WAY LAND, THEY GAVE VERY LOW RATINGS TO ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY RANKED BUT PARTICULARLY 34 OUT OF 105, THAT IS SUPER LOW. I DON'T THINK IT ALL CAME OUT THA CLEARLY ON SEPTEMBER 5TH AND THIS WAS BEING DISCUSSED BECAUS I THINK ALL OF YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN CONCERNED IF YOU HEARD THESE OTHER FACTS. THERE WERE JUST CONFUSIONS ABOUT WHETHER O NOT THE LAND WAS REALLY BEING RECOMMENDED, TAXPAYER DOLLARS WERE NOT MAXIMIZED OR STATE MATCHING FUNDS WHICH THEY DEEM TO BE IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY, SHOULD BE A TOP PRIORITY. PUBLI USE GOALS WERE REALLY SKETCHY, THINK THERE'S MAYBE SEVEN ACRES OF LAND THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A PATH ON IT BECAUSE IT REALLY IS FOR PRESERVATION, NOT PUBLIC USE AND ONE-MILE FROM THERE IS THE MCCULLOUGH CREEK CONSERVATION AREA, 1400 ACRES O TREMENDOUS PRESERVED LAND. THIS IS ONE ON THE WAY AND THERE IS

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ANOTHER PROPERTY I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF BUYING SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF LAND IN THAT SMALL AREA. LAND IS NOT CONTINUOUS, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH MENTIONED ALREADY, AND THERE'S THE FACT, I SPOKE TO JESSICA, YOU HAVE ALREADY STATED THERE I A POSSIBILITY THAT THIS COULD B WITHDRAWN . I THINK THOSE WERE ALL THE POINTS I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT AND THE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT CAME OUT LOOK REALLY PROMISING. THANK YOU.

>> TRACY WILSON, THE FORMER MAYOR OF SAINT AUGUSTINE IS THE THIRD-GENERATION MAYOR OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND THIRD-GENERATION CORPORATE LAWYER WITH A LAW FIRM, NOW A PROFESSOR AND THIRD-GENERATION FLORIDA STATE SAGER AND IT SURE LOOKS TO ME LIKE THEY ARE GETTING A SPECIAL DEAL BECAUSE OF WHO TRACY WILSO IS. THAT IS WRONG. ALSO, THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE AD RUNOFF, I KNOW QUITE A BIT ABOUT THE AG RUNOFF. THE BUREAU OF RECLAMATION RECKLESSLY ALLOWED AGRICULTURAL RUNOFF TO GO INTO THE CHESTER'S AND WILDLIFE REFUGE AND BABY BIRDS WERE BORN WITHOUT EYES, BEAKS OR FEET AND WITH PROTRUDING BRAINS BECAUSE OF THE HEAVY METALS. HAS THERE BEEN AN ENVIRONMENTAL SURVEY OF THIS PROPERTY? I WAS PROUD TO REPRESENT SEVERAL OF THE SCIENTISTS WITH THE FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE OF THE U.S.

DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR, AND THE WERE MISTREATED, THEY WERE RAISING CONCERNS, THE CONCERNS WERE ON 60 MINUTES, I WOULD GO TO CALIFORNIA, WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF ACCOUNTABILITY PROJECT AND I WROTE A LETTER AN SURE ENOUGH, THEY WOULD BE A 15 COLUMN STORY IN SACRAMENTO BECAUSE PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA REALLY LIKE THEIR BIRDS AND WILDLIFE. ARE THESE ISSUES BEIN EXPLORED? DO WE HAVE ANALYTICAL CHEMISTRY RESULTS FOR THIS LAND SHOWING THE PRESENCE OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINANTS TO INCLUDE HEAVY METALS AND ALL TH STUFF THAT COMES FROM FARM RUNOFF BECAUSE IT IS TOXIC, AND IF WE ARE GOING TO PUT BABIES O TOP OF THIS LAND, WE NEED TO KNOW NOW. WE NEED TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE NOW AND IT SEEMS OUR COUNTY STAFF DO NOT DO THEIR JOBS. THEY DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS AND THEY HAVE THEIR NOSE IN THE AIR AND THEY REALLY DON'T WANT TO HELP YOU WHEN YOU WANT TO KNOW STUFF. I WAS LEADING THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT BUILDING THE OTHER WEEK AND MIK ROBERSON WAS THERE AND I WENT FOR MY RIDE AND HE WAS JUST STARING AT ME. HE HAS NEVER RESPONDED TO MY REQUEST FOR INTERVIEW, BUT CERTAINLY SEEMS TO THIS RESPONSE FROM DEVELOPERS. AND I THINK WE NEED TO TELL TRACY WILSON AND HIS SON, WE DON'T WANT TO BUY POTENTIALLY CONTAMINATED LAND FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THIS LAND ISSUE IS VERY IMPORTANT, PEOPLE WORK FOR YEARS TO GET IT RE-ESTABLISHED AND IT WOULD BE NATIONAL DISGRACE IF WE END UP BUYING CONTAMINATED LAND AND NO DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE, SO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE DIRECT THE STAFF TO DO THE ANALYTICAL CHEMISTRY THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE? THANK

YOU SO MUCH. >> ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT O AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? SEEIN NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> I PROPOSE A MOTION THAT WE TAKE NO ACTION TODAY ON THE MANAGEMENT PLANS AND WE DIRECT THAT TO CONTINUE DOING THEIR DU DILIGENCE WHICH WILL BE COMPLETED NO LATER THAN NOVEMBE 21ST, WHICH THEN THE COUNTY COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER THE ISSUE AND AT THAT TIME WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT OR NO WITHOUT ANY HARM OR PENALTY TO US.

>> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR THE BOARD? PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES, 5-0.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE SECOND, IT HAS BEEN A VERY LONG DAY, AND W ARE NOT DONE YET, BUT I CAN'T LET IT PASS, I WANT TO SAY ON THE RECORD THAT I HAVE BEEN A GOOD FRIEND WITH TRACY UPCHURCH FOR AT LEAST 25 YEARS AND HE SERVED HONORABLY AND WELL IN BOTH THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE AN SAINT AUGUSTINE, AND TO BE

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HONEST, I WAS UNAWARE THAT HE WAS THE UNDERLYING BENEFICIARY, I DID NOT KNOW THAT. OBVIOUSLY THAT DIDN'T PLAY ON ANY THOUGHT

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I HAD ABOUT HIS PROPERTY, SUBSEQUENT TO THE ACTION WE TOO ON SEPTEMBER 5TH. BUT, I JUST WANTED TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, TRACY UPCHURCH IS A GOOD AND HONORABLE MAN.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, AND HAVE A QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW THE MAYOR OR HIS SON VERY WELL, I JUST WONDER HOW MUCH THAT CAN

FACTOR INTO OUR DECISION ANYWAY >> I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT ON

SEPTEMBER 5TH. >> THAT IS INTERESTING, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, FORMERLY CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 33

>> I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THIS ITEM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW ON OCTOBER 3RD, THIS BOARD DID APPOINT TO THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, MR. GOSSAGE ALSO SITTING ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THERE IS A COUNTY POLICY, NUMBER 2.203 WHICH IS STATED IN THE PACKET, SAYING THERE CANNOT BE INDIVIDUALS WHO SIT ON MORE THAN ONE BOARD, HOWEVER THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE POLICY THAT CAN EXCUSE THIS IF THEY SO FEEL HE IS A QUALIFIED CANDIDATE. I CAN SPEAK AS THE COMMISSION LIAISON THAT HE IS I GOOD STATUS WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EITHER ME OR OCA IS HAPPY TO ANSWER.

>> I WONDERED, WHO IS HE REPLACING?

>> I HAD THAT MEMORIZED BUT I FORGOT BECAUSE IT WAS SO LONG AGO. I APOLOGIZE, THERE WAS THE EXPIRED TERMS OF MELISSA CHURCHWELL, WE DID REAPPOINT MELISSA AT THAT MEETING.

>> I WAS WONDERING, IS THE BOAR OKAY WITH HIM SERVING ON TWO BOARDS, I WANTED TO SEE IF THER WAS ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT SINC THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WE CAN TALK.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER KNOWING THE QUALITY OF THE MAN HE IS, HIS TIRELESS ADVOCACY FO ISSUES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, THIS IS SOMEBODY THAT I TRUST AND THEY WOULD DO A FANTASTIC JOB, BUT HE CAN HANDLE TWO, HE WILL DO A GREAT JOB.

>> THE RULE IS STILL IN PLACE, MR. TAYLOR?

>> THIS DOES NOT SET UP PRECEDENT -- THE CODE SAYS YOU NEED TO FIND GOOD CAUSE, SO IN THAT SITUATION, YOU WILL STILL NEED TO FIND GOOD CAUSE IF THAT EVER OCCURS.

>> SHOULD I MAKE A MOTION, IS THAT OKAY?

>> YES, WE WILL SEE IF THERE IS A SECOND AND WE WILL HAVE TO

HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> 2.203, LIMITATIONS OF TERMS AND SERVICE AND CONFIRM THE APPOINTMENT OF ORVILLE GOSSAGE TO THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY WHILE REMAINING ON TH INFORMAL HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

>> MAY I ASK THE COUNTY ATTORNE TO EXPLAIN THE DUAL OFFICE HOLDING WHILE IN FLORIDA AND WHETHER IT APPLIES TO THIS SITUATION, AND WHILE HE'S FIXIN TO DO THAT, LET ME JUST SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE THE CURRENT MAYOR OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FOR A NUMBER OF YEAR A MEMBER OF THE CULTURAL RESOURCES REVIEW BOARD IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND THE SCOPE OF THE CRP UNDER STATE LAW CHANGED TO WHERE IF IT BECAME A BORE THAT WAS COVERED BY THE DUAL OFFICE HOLDING LAW, AND EVEN THOUGH WE LOVED NANCY AND APPRECIATE HER GOVERNMENT SERVICE AND HER KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION, NONETHELESS, I BLEW THE WHISTLE AND SAID UNDER THE DUAL OFFICE HOLDING LAW SHE CANNOT SERVE. SHE RESIGNED GRACIOUSLY AND RESPECTFULLY. I WOULD GRACIOUSLY AND RESPECTFULLY ASK THIS BOARD WHY YOU ARE FINDING GOOD CAUSE, IT IS NOT GOOD CAUSE THAT YOU LIKE THIS GUY, I HAVE NEVER MET HIM, ALL I KNOW IS WE HAVE, IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY A CULTURE OF LAWBREAKING. HOSTILITY TOWARD PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND THE

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CHAIRMAN IS SMIRKING, IT IS NO FUNNY. WE HAVE A PROBLEM THAT W SAW THIS MORNING WHEN SOME OF Y'ALL DISRESPECTED COMMISSIONER JOSEPH ON THE ISSUE OF TREE KILLING, D4 STATION -- DEFORESTATION, AND I DON'T THIN IT IS A WISE IDEA BECAUSE IT WOULD BE OPPRESSIVE IF SOMEBODY ELSE ON ANOTHER COUNTY BOARD WANTS TO SERVE ON A SECOND COUNTY BOARD, THEY ARE GOING TO PLAY THIS TAPE. SO, PLEASE USE SOME WISDOM, PLEASE USE SOME DISCRETION AND DISAPPROVE THIS FINDING OF GOOD CAUSE, I DON'T THINK IT IS GOOD CAUSE. PERHAPS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY COULD ALSO EXPLAIN WHAT THE LEGAL MEANING OF GOOD CAUSE IS. BECAUSE GOOD CAUSE DOESN'T MEAN WE WANT TO D IT, HE IS OUR FRIEND, HE IS A REPUBLICAN. ENOUGH. THIS COUNTY IS BATHED IN CORRUPTION, BATHED IN DEVELOPER INFLUENCE AND IT I NOT FUNNY MR. CHAIRMAN AND YOU ARE A PART OF THIS PROBLEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> FORGIVE ME FOR SMIRKING, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TELLING A JOKE THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING ARE SO RIDICULOUS. COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT DUAL OFFICE HOLDING BUT I DO KNOW [INDISCERNIBLE] VERY WELL, NOT ONLY IS HE IN A HIGH-LEVEL POSITION BUT ALSO CHAIRMAN OF TRUSTEES OF THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. AND HE SPENDS A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME RAISING MONEY, I JUST WENT TO AN EVENT LAST WEEK AT THE FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH, AND HAD THE CHANCE TO TALK TO HIM AGAIN AND HE HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN PUSHING FOR AFFORDABL HOUSING, HE HAS MET WITH ME FIV OR SIX TIMES , SO I JUST WANT I ON THE RECORD FOR THOSE, WHO DO KNOW HIM, HE IS A GOOD MAN BUT CANNOT SPEAK TO DUAL OFFICE ABILITY, I HAVE NOT ENCOUNTERED THAT ISSUE.

>> IS THERE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A REMAR FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS POSITION FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW, I HAVE REPLACED EVERYBODY ON THE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN TWO YEARS THIS HAS BEEN A REQUEST. THIS IS NOT SOMETHIN THAT HAPPENED TO ME BEFORE, THI IS THE FIRST TIME.

>> MR. MIGUT , IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, ARE YOU GOING TO DIFFER -

>> I'M GOING TO DEFER TO DEPUTY TAYLOR IN ADVANCE.

>> THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS A LIST OF DIFFERENT COMMITTEES THAT ARE CONSIDERED TO BE DUAL OFFICE HOLDING, THE RDA IS NOT

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ON THE LIST AND THE OTHER IS, S THIS ISN'T A PROBLEM. IT'S OUR RULES THAT HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD OF NOT ALLOWING TWO PEOPLE, A PERSON TO BE ON TWO COMMITTEES AND YOU ARE ABLE TO

WAIVE THEM. >> THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP. WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND AND READY FOR DISCUSSION PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES, 5-0. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO PUBLI COMMENT FOR ITEMS THAT WERE NOT ON THE AGENDA.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> I GO BY HUMPTY DUMPTY. ZOOM IN. THERE WE GO. I USED TO HAVE A BUSINESS WHERE YOU HAD CLEARL ENDING FOR STUFF LIKE THAT. WE BUILT THE SHERIFF'S HOUSE AS A MATTER OF FACT. SO, I KNOW A GOOD BIT ABOUT SURVEYS, AND I

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ALSO KNOW HOW TO GIVE CPR, I'VE GOT THIS THING, FOR SAVING SOMEBODY'S LIFE A LONG TIME AGO SO IF ANY OF YOU ARE READY TO DROP DEAD, I WILL JUMP IN. I'VE GOT THREE PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIANS, I'VE GOT THREE ORTHOPEDIC SURGEONS, I'VE GOT A NEUROLOGIST AND PSYCHOLOGIST AN HAVE AN EAR DOCTOR, MY EARS ARE RINGING CONSTANTLY. AND THE SET UP YOU HAVE GOING ON OVER HERE FOR THE NEW BOAT RAMP IS REALLY BAD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING THROUGH WITH IT OR NOT. WHERE THAT DOLLAR GENERAL IS AT WHEN YOU GO TO AND FROM THE BEACH, IT IS A DEATH TRAP, PEOPLE CROSSING THE STREET TO GET TO THE DOLLAR GENERAL, THEY ARE COMING OUT OF DOLLAR GENERAL, SO YOU HAVE TO STOP IN THE MIDDLE. I HAVE BEEN DOWN THERE 30 YEARS AND WHAT I'M TELLING YOU, I'M NOT CONJURING THIS UP, THIS IS THE TRUTH AND I'M 1300 FEET FROM THE BOAT RAMP. BUT, WHAT HAPPENED DOWN THERE, THE PEOPLE BUILT THEIR HOUSE ON THE END OF PALMETTO ROAD AND THEY DECIDED THEY ARE JUST GOING TO PAVE OVER IT.

WELL, HERE IS ONE OF THE SURVEYS, AND THEY DID ANOTHER ONE RIGHT UP HERE, READ ABOUT WHERE THE GRAVEL CUTS IN. WHICH GIVES US ABOUT 30 FEET. TO THE SOUTH, AND THE NEIGHBORS OVER HERE, YOU HAVE 40 FEET, SO YOU HAVE 70 FEET OF CLEARANCE IF YO WANT TO LAUNCH YOUR BOAT. YOU G DOWN TO THE BOAT RAMP, AND YOU GO FROM 26 FEET ON THAT ROAD DOWN TO 16 FEET, I BOYCOTT THAT RIGHT NOW AND THESE PEOPLE RIGH HERE, IF THEY CALL THE COPS ON ME AGAIN, I'M GOING TO FILE A LAWSUIT BECAUSE IT IS PLAIN TO SEE THAT I'M NOT TRESPASSING ON THE PROPERTY. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT SAYS RIGHT HERE, COUNT PROPERTY, THEY DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY ASIDE FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF TOLD THEM

-- >> THANK YOU MR. HENDERSON.

>> AND I STILL -- >> THANK YOU, YOUR TIME IS UP.

>> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY'S LIFE, AND IT WAS

MINE. >> NICOLE CROSBY . SINCE I DIDN'T TALK IN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, I THINK I'M OKAY TALKING NOW. I ACTUALLY WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH SOMETHING THAT THE UNION PRESIDENT OF THE FIRE AND RESCUE SAID THIS MORNING.

QUICKLY, BUT ONE THING I HEARD THAT HE SAID, THAT STOOD OUT TO ME BECAUSE I LOOKED AT ALL THE NEWS REPORTS, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM, AND I SAW A REPORT THAT VERY CLEARLY SHOWED HIS SIGNATURE ON THE AGREEMENT THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE COTTON AND POLYESTER UNIFORMS, HIS SIGNATURE WAS ON THEIR, SO WAS CONRAD'S SIGNATURE AND SCOTT BULLARD'S SIGNATURE WAS NOT ON THERE. HOW CAN THAT BE USED AS CASE AGAINST HIM. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. AND JUST IN A MORE GENERAL WAY, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WERE HAVING TROUBLE KEEPING GOOD PEOPLE ON THESE FORCES AND SO MUCH DISCUSSION ON HOW WE DON'T HAVE HOUSING FOR THEM. BUT THEN WE TREAT THEM LIKE -- WE TREAT THEM VERY BADLY, WE KICK THEM OUT WITHOUT EVEN GETTING FULL RETIREMENT AND WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE ANOTHER COUNTY IS GOING TO GET THIS HIGHLY QUALIFIED AND VALUED FIREFIGHTER. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, I HOPE SOMEBODY CAN EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. I THINK IT IS A TERRIBLE MISTAKE AND IT MAKES OUR COUNTY LESS SAFE.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH HUMAN RESOURCES IN THIS COUNTY, I THINK MAYBE WE NEED AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT TO DO A HUMAN RESOURCES AUDIT BUT ON THE SAME TOKEN, HOW ABOUT A LEGAL AUDIT? 786,000 WORTH OF EMBEZZLEMENT I THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, IS THAT SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF? DOES THAT MERIT THE SLOGAN THAT HUNTER CONRAD CAME UP FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, 200 YEARS OF

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EXCELLENCE? I'M NOT SEEING IT, AND I DON'T SEE IT THIS MORNING OR THIS AFTERNOON WHEN SOME OF YOU WERE VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO COMMISSIONER JOSEPH , WHO BEAT YOUR FRIEND BY 175 VOTES. SHE'S DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB, I'M PROUD OF HER, SHE WAS PREPARED IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THEY RULE ANYBODY OUT OF ORDER, BUT OF COURSE IF SOMEBODY DISAGREES AND SAYS SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE, [INDISCERNIBLE] COURTESY IS THE NORM OF LEGISLATURE, THE WORLD OVER, EVEN IN PLACES LIKE POLAND THAT AREN'T QUITE SO DEMOCRATIC UNTIL LAST NIGHT. WH DON'T YOU BE KINDER AND GENTLER TO PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU? CAN'T YOU TAKE IT UPON YOURSELVES TO LISTEN? I FELT LIKE WHEN PEOPLE WERE QUOTING ECONOMIC STATISTICS AND THEY HAVE NEVER STUDIED ECONOMICS, O IT'S A 20% INCREASE IN HOME COSTS, THERE'S NO TESTIMONY IN THE RECORD ON THAT. IT IS TOTALLY DEVOID OF THE RECORD, AND YOU HAVE CHIEF ECONOMIST NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE DOES, I HAVE NEVER SEEN HIM HERE AT A MEETING, DO WE KNOW WHAT HE DOES? WE HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF AND WHAT DO THEY DO BESIDES REPRESENT PERMITS? NOT LOT THAT I CAN TELL. AND I SAW MR. ROBERSON THE OTHER WEEK, IN THIS BUILDING AND I'M WAITING FOR MY RIDE AND I FEEL THE HAIR ON THE BACK OF MY NECK STICKING UP, AND I'M LOOKING UP AND THER IS MIKE ROBERSON. I JUST DON'T GET IT. HE HAS A HOSTILE WORKING ENVIRONMENT, WHETHER BY CITIZENS OR MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY STAFF AND A KIND OF REMINDS ME OF THE WAY NANCY SHAVER WAS TREATED AT THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, THERE WERE FOUR PEOPLE IN THE CITY, THE

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COMMISSIONERS DIDN'T WANT TO SE ANY REFORMS AND THAT'S THE SAME ATTITUDE YOU HAVE TOWARD COMMISSIONER JOSEPH RIGHT NOW.

SHAME ON YOU. I WILL PRAY FOR YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. I BELIEVE YOU ALREADY SPOKE DURING GENERA COMMENT AT 11:30. THANK YOU. AN FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? WE WILL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE COMMISSIONERS REPORTS, STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> I HAVE AN ADVERTISING FOR SAINT AUGUSTINE. MY HUSBAND HAD HIS BIRTHDAY AND AS YOU KNOW, H IS SUFFERING FROM ALS AND I'M REALLY PROUD OF HIM AND I'M TRYING TO FIND THINGS THAT HE CAN ACTUALLY DO BECAUSE WE CAN' RUN 5K'S LIKE WE USED TO AND WE CAN'T GO PADDLEBOARDING LIKE WE USED TO. I GOT HIM THIS HELICOPTER FLIGHT AND IT WAS SUPER REASONABLE, IT'S THE YELLOW HELICOPTER SITTING ON TH RUNWAY IN SAINT AUGUSTINE AT TH AIRPORT AND THE YOUNG LADY WHO FLIES IT IS AWESOME, SHE GIVES YOU A TOUR, WE GOT TO FLY OVER THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL AS THE BEAUTIFUL OCEAN, LOOKING FOR SHARKS. IT WAS VERY FUN, HE HAD A GREAT TIME. AND YOU OUGHT TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT AS EXPENSIVE AS YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE. IT WOULD BE FUN TO HAVE YOUR KIDS OR ANYOE GO TRY OUT A HELICOPTER. THAT IS ALL I WANTE TO SAY. THANKS.

>> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO? >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. WE HAD A GREAT LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION MEETING, WE ARE SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE LEADERS THAT WE DO IN TALLAHASSEE, IT'S REALLY THE A TEAM. THAT WENT REALLY WELL AND LIKE I SAID, WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THEM. I DID WANT TO SAY, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE BOARD EARLIER, I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE JUDY SPIEGEL WHO WAS APPOINTED BY TH SCHOOL DISTRICT TO THE PLANNING WARD, SHE IS FROM DISTRICT 3. JUDY, YOU ARE THE MODEL, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY DISAGREE AT TIMES YOU ARE ALWAYS VERY PROFESSIONA AND SPEAK WELL AND ASK GOOD QUESTIONS AND YOU WILL BE A GOO ADDITION TO THE BOARD SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU SERVE.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> AGAIN, KUDOS , BUT I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO REPORT THIS

MEETING. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

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>> WE ARE EXCITED TO GO TO TALLAHASSEE AFTER THIS MEETING

TO GO FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTY. >> I'VE GOT ONE QUICK THING, TOMORROW MARKS THE ONE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE PASSING OF COMMISSIONER WALTER, I THINK MOST OF US STILL REMEMBER THAT DAY, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, THINK ABOUT THE WALTER FAMILY AS THEY ARE STILL OBVIOUSLY HURTING, THAT WAS A BIG LOSS TO NOT JUST THOSE WHO KNEW HIM PERSONALLY BUT TO THE ENTIRE COUNTY. SO PRAY FOR THE WALTER FAMILY. TONIGHT, WE WILL BE DOING SOMETHING IN DECEMBER TO JUST

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Oct 17, 2023 Board of County Commissioners

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