Sep 19, 2023 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order by Chair]

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9:00, WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THEIR AGENDAS UNDER THE WEBSITE UNDER AGENDAS AND MINUTES, CLICK ON THE AGENDA ITEM TO ACCESS ALL THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS. THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT. LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. SHOULD THE PRESENTER HAVE EXHIBITS OR PHOTOGRAPHS, PLEASE PROVIDE THE MATERIALS TO THE CLERK OF THE COURT FOR INCLUSION INTO THE

RECORD, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE >> CHAIR WHITEHURST PRESENT.

>> VICE CHAIR ARNOLD PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO PRESENT

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH PRESENT >> COMMISSIONER DEAN PRESENT.

>> PLEASE ISE AS I ASKED THE RABBI TO LEAD US IN THE

INVOCATION. >>> GOOD MORNING, OUR FATHER I HEAVEN, CREATOR AND GIVER OF LIFE TO ALL THINGS UPON THE HEAVENS AND EARTH, GRANT US LIF AND GOOD HEALTH. BESTOW PEACE AND PROSPERITY, MORAL STRENGTH AND UNDERSTANDING. PLUS THE COMMISSIONERS AND LEADERS TO LEAD US IN A WAY THAT WILL PLEASE YOU AND FULFILL YOUR WIL AND EARN US THE CONTINUED BLESSING OF ALL IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IN THE WORDS OF KING SOLOMON, WHEN HIS PEOPLE WILL TURN BACK, I WILL YIELD THE LAND, EYES OPEN, EARS OPEN TO THE PRAYERS OF THIS PLACE, THE PLACE WHERE GOD'S BOOK WAS A CENTURY IN THE HOLY TEMPLE OF JERUSALEM CLEAR THE BLESSED MEMORY TEACHES US IN THE DIASPORA, EVEN THOUGH THE TEMPLES NO MORE, THE MESSAGE ENDURES. THE ABILITY TO CREATE IN OUR HEARTS AND LIVES A CENTURY, WHERE THE ALMIGHTY CA 12, BRINGING LIFE AND GOODNESS AND KINDNESS TO SO MANY PEOPLE. WE JUST CELEBRATED THE JEWISH NEW YEAR, ROSH HASHANAH TO YOM KIPPUR, THE DAY OF ATONEMENT, 10 DAYS OF REFLECTION, OVER THE PAST AND PREPARING FOR ANY SI WE HAVE DONE, HELPING US BE A BETTER PERSON. MAY GOD BLESS U ALL WITH A HAPPY AND HEALTHY NE YEAR AND GRANT US A YEAR OF GOOD HEALTH, HAPPINESS AND PROSPERITY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>> AND OUT TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. SUE WORTHINGTON, SERGEANT FIRST CLASS. WELCOME.

>> >>> HER AMERICAN FLAG TESTED AS A SYMBOL OF FREEDOM SINCE 1777 AND AS WE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO REFLECT THIS MORNING LET US BE EVER SO REMINDED OF THE TREASURES WHO HAVE SACRIFICED LIVES AND WHO ARE STILL SACRIFICIALLY SACRIFICING AND ALL WHO HAVE GIVEN SELFLESSLY FOR OUR COUNTRY AND FREEDOMS. AS WE STAND WITH PRIDE LET'S

PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. >>>

[Proclamation Recognizing National Recovery Month]

>>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THAT WAS WONDERFUL. SO NO WE WILL HAVE COMMISSIONER ARNOLD WITH A PROCLAMATION.

>>> OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THROUGH NATURAL TESHO -- NATIONAL RECOVERY MONTH, RECOGNIZING THE SIGNS OF SUBSTANCE USE OR MENTAL HEALTH CONDITIONS WHICH CAN LEAD MORE PEOPLE INTO RECOVERY SUPPORT I TREATMENT AND MANAGING THE EFFECTS OF THESE CONDITIONS CAN HELP PEOPLE ACHIEVE HEALTHY LIFESTYLES PHYSICALLY AND EMOTIONALLY. AND WHEREAS THE IMPACT OF SUBSTANCE USE AND/OR MENTAL HEALTH CONDITIONS IS APPARENT IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY AND PROGRAMS SUCH AS DISCOVER

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THE PRESIDENT OF DISCOVER AND RECOVER, AND HERE IN THE COMMUNITY, IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THANKFUL FOR WHAT IS GOING ON THE AGENDA TODAY, ONE OF THE REASONS I'VE BEEN USING THIS 4 YEARS MY LIFE, HAPPY TO GROUP TWICE YEAR, FIRST TIME AS A SON BROTHER AND DISORDER, AND 2ND TIME BUT BETTER AND ALSO WITH PEERS THAT HELPED ME WHAT I NEEDED HELP AND STAND WITH ME HERE TODAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH

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[Acceptance of Proclamation]

[Public Safety Update]

>> EMOTION AND A SECOND, ALL I FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? IT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED. WILL MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE.

DIRECTOR MARTIN, GOOD MORNING. >> THE PROCLAMATION TIES INTO WHAT I WANT TO SPEAK TO REGARDING MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE, AND THE CORRECTIONAL SERVICE -- FACILITY, A CONTINUATION WITH THE RAPID RESPONSE TEAM, WE PARTNERED A CLINICIAN, ATTACHE TO THE TEAM AND ASSIST IN DE-ESCALATING CERTAIN SITUATIONS AND PERFORM SAFETY ASSESSMENTS AND ULTIMATELY PROVIDE A SAFETY PLAN WITH FOLKS WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH SUICIDAL IDEATION, THE ULTIMAT GOAL IS TO CONNECT THEM WITH SERVICES PRIOR TO RELEASE, WE ARE TRYING HARD TO CREATE A SMOOTHER TRANSITION PRIOR TO RELEASE AND THE SERVICES CONTINUE. UPCOMING INITIATIVES WE HAVE WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT, PARTNERING WITH SOCIAL SERVICES NOT ONLY THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM BUT ALSO THROUGH A CO-RESPONDER PROGRAM, WHAT THA DOES IS, WE PUT A CLINICIAN AND WITH A FIRST RESPONDER, WITH MENTAL HEALTH OR SEVENS ABUSE SITUATIONS WE MAY FIND OURSELVE IN, AND EXPERT ON-SITE AND UNSEEN WITH THE FIRST RESPONDER SO GETTING THE RIGHT RESOURCES TO THE RIGHT INDIVIDUALS AT THE RIGHT TIME.

>>> FINALLY KIND OF A BOOKEND T THE SERVICES, MENTAL HEALTH COURT, A SPECIALTY COURT FOCUS OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND MOVING DEFENDANTS WHO HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS, IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, AND PUT THEM I THE SOCIAL SERVICE SYSTEM.

AGAIN IT IS A OVERARCHING GOAL WHETHER WE CONNECT PRIOR TO, AT THE ONSET OF A CALL, MEDIALLY ACCESSIBLE OR IDENTIFY THAT IN THE CORRECTIONAL FACILITY. A VICTIM BEFORE THEY OFFER UP INT SOCIETY AND OVERALL THE COURT PROCESS, IDENTIFYING THE COURT SYSTEM, CARVE THOSE OUT AND PROVIDE THE SERVICE, IT'S AN

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CHALLENGES. >> JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU T EVERYONE THAT CONTINUES TO SUPPORT US IN THE CHALLENGES WE FACE, WE CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO THE CHALLENGES, I WILL CONCLUDE UNLESS ANYBODY HA ANYTHING.

>> QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR MARTIN?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE WILL HEAR FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. CHIEF, GOOD

MORNING. >> I WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE FLEET OF APPARATUS, LAS WEEK WE TOOK DELIVERY OF THREE NEW FIRE ENGINES AND ONE HEAVY RESCUE, AND EXTRICATION TRUCK, THE AVERAGE AGE, WE HAVE 19 UNITS IN THE FLEET, BRINGS IT DOWN TO JUST UNDER FIVE YEARS, BACK IN JUNE WE PLACED THREE NEW AMBULANCES USING THE SERVICE, THAT BROUGHT THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE FRONT LINE RESCUES TO ABOUT 3 1/2 YEARS OLD, WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE THAT WHEN THE FRONT-LINE UNITS ARE REPLACED, WE WILL BACK TO THE SPIRIT FLEET, EVENTUALLY THEY GET AUCTIONED OFF. THINGS ARE NOW FINALLY STARTING TO GET BACK IN ORDER AFTER SUPPLY CHANGE ORDINANCES AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE ARE STILL WAITING ON SOME OF THE TRUCKS THAT WE ORDERED, ANYTHING NEW WE ORDER IT NOW IS CURRENTLY 3 MONTHS BUILD TIME, REQUIRING CREATIVE AND STRATEGIC PLANNING JUST SO WE CAN BE PREPARED TO MEET OUR FUTURE DEMANDS. WE LOAD THE COMMUNITY ARE FORTUNAT TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE CURRENT BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, WITHOUT YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LEARN ABOUT OUR NEEDS AND CHALLENGES WE FACE , WE WOULDN'T BE IN A POSITION TO PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY SERVICES THAT WE ARE SO PROUD. THANK YOU.

[Supervisor of Elections’ Report]

>> ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>> A SPECIAL TREAT, MOVING T THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS REPORT WE DON'T DO THIS EVERY MONTH BUT WE THAT IS NICE TO SE

YOU . >> GOOD MORNING, OUR CITIZENS GUIDE TO REGISTER VOTING IS IN THE MAIL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO GIVE EACH OF YOU YOUR VERY OWN COPY, A PUBLICATION THAT WE SEND TO EVERY RESIDENTIAL MAILBOX IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, 135,000 OF THEM ARE IN THE MAIL SO CITIZENS, WATCH YOUR MAILBOXES. WHAT THIS CONTAINS IS INFORMATION THAT OUR RESIDENTS NEED TO KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME LAW CHANGES SINC THE LAST ELECTION, BUT THIS IS EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW MY MESSAGES TO GET READY FOR 24 ELECTIONS, THEY ARE COMING TODAY. MOST IMPORTANTLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU TODA ON, I GAVE YOU A SECOND PUBLICATION, A QUICK REFERENCE GUIDE. WE HAVE JUST COMPLETED OUR BIANNUAL LIST OF MAINTENANCE UNDER NEW LAWS THAT TOOK EFFECT ON JULY 1. SO OUR BIANNUAL -- REQUIRE SUPERVISOR TO THE VOTER ROLLS, SENDING NOTICE TO EVERY VOTER WHO HAS NOT VOTED IN THE LAST TWO GENERAL ELECTIONS, 2022 AND 20 AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THEM IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE SEN THEM A NOTICE. IT SAYS PLEASE CONFIRM YOUR INFORMATION WITH US, UPDATE YOUR ADDRESS OR CANCEL YOUR VOTER REGISTRATION. WE HAVE ALMOST 17,000 VOTERS IN THIS CATEGORY WHO RECEIVED NOTICES, THEY WENT IN THE MAIL ON AUGUST 4. 30 DAYS HAVE NOW PASSED AND WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IS THE RESPONSES WE RECEIVED WE RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY 1500 RESPONSES, BUT THE BULK EITHER CAME BACK AS UNDELIVERABLE MAI FROM THE POST OFFICE OR VOTERS DID NOT RESPOND. SO WHAT THE LAW NOW REQUIRES IS FOR THOSE VOTERS TO BE MOVED FROM OUR ACTIVE VOTER LIST OVER TO THE INACTIVE VOTERS LIST, WHICH

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REMOVED FROM OUR VOTER ROLLS. >>> IF A VOTER MAKES IT TO THE INACTIVE LIST AND STILL LIVES HERE , AND THEY JUST DIDN'T RESPOND, THEN THEY CAN CONTACT THE OFFICE, THE FIRST THING THEY HAVE TO DO IS TO CONFIRM THEIR ST. JOHNS COUNTY EDGERS, THEY CAN UPDATE, REQUEST A VOT BY MAIL BALLOT OR VOTE IN PERSON. SO NOW THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS YOU WILL SEE OF THE FRONT PAGE OF OUR WEBSITE , LISTED OUR ACTIVE REGISTERED VOTERS, THAT NUMBER HAS DROPPED A LITTLE OVE 15,000, AND FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY IT IS SIGNIFICANT. PRIOR TO OUR UP DATING, AND REMOVING THOSE VOTERS, MOVING THEM OVER TO THE INACTIVE LIST, WE HAD ABOUT 220 THOUSAND. NOW WE ARE DOWN TO 213,000. OUR LIST MAINTENANCE WILL CONTINUE, THE NEXT SCHEDULED IS OCTOBER 1, W WILL SEND IT OUT AS WE DO EVERY 60 DAYS, THE VOTER RULES TO MATCH AGAINST THE NATIONAL CHANGE OF ADDRESS, SO WE GET INFORMATION FROM VOTERS PUTTING IN CHANGE OF ADDRESS FOR THE POST OFFICE, WE WILL DO THAT RIGHT OF UNTIL LATE DECEMBER WITH THE LAW REQUIRES US TO STOP LIST MAINTENANCE 90 DAYS PRIOR TO THE ELECTION, I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO LET PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHY THE ACTIVE VOTER REGISTRATION IS DROPPED OF 2000, THAT CONCLUDES THE

REPORT. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH DOES TOO YOU ARE STILL OFFERING TOURS T THE PUBLIC, QUESTIONS OR WANTS TO SEE WITH THE OPERATION LOOK LIKE?

>> YES, ON THE WEBSITE, SCHEDULED OFFICE TOURS, COUPLE THIS MONTH SOME IN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT THE OFFICE AND ENCOURAGE ANYONE WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTION, COM FIND OUT THE FACTS, ABOUT HOW ELECTIONS ARE CONDUCTED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND IN FLORIDA.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER? >> I GET ASKED ALL THE TIME IF THEY ARE INACTIVE AND THEY COME TO VOTE, WHAT HAPPENS?

>> IF THEY ARE INACTIVE THE FIRST THING THEY HAVE TO DO IS CONFIRM THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY I STILL THERE RESIDENCE ADDRESS AND WAS THEY CONFIRM THAT IT WILL MAKE THEM ACTIVE AND THEY

WILL BE ALLOWED TO VOTE. >> ARE THEY USING THE DROP BOXES, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE ANY SECURITY FOR NEXT YEAR OR ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE ARE DOING? I GET ASKED THAT AL

THE TIME? >> THERE WAS A LAW CHANGED PRIOR TO THE 22 ELECTIONS, DRO BOXES ARE ONLY INSIDE OF OUR EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS , MANNED BY AN EMPLOYEE OFFICE AVAILABLE TO VOTERS DURING HOUR OF EARLY VOTING ONLY, THEY CAN ALSO COME TO THE OFFICE AND DRO THE MAIL, ONLY AVAILABLE DURIN LIMITED TIME IN EARLY VOTING INSIDE OF OUR EARLY VOTING LOCATION AND BY ONE OF MY STAF AND IN FRONT OF ALL OF THE VOTERS IN ALL OF THE WORKERS THAT ARE WORKING AT THE EARLY

VOTING SITE. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN I JUST WANTED TO SAY HAVING SERVED ON THE BOARD, I AM ON NOW, HAVIN SERVED AS COMMISSIONER FOR SEVE YEARS I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH VICKI AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, BECAUS I GUESS THERE IS A DEBATE GOING ON, DISCUSSIONS GOING ON AT BOT THE NATIONAL AND STATE LEVEL ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF OUR VOTING SYSTEM IN THE ELECTORAL PROCESS, I WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY IT IS MY EXPERIENCE THAT VICKI OAKES IS NOT ONLY ONE OF THE BEST, MAYBE THE BEST SUPERVISORS OF ELECTIONS IN FLORIDA BUT ALSO HER LEVEL OF INTEGRITY AND THE WAY SHE OPERATES HER OFFICE AN THE SECURITY THAT SHE PROVIDES FOR THE SYSTEM WITH ELECTIONS W HAVE IS ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT GETS, AND I DON'T THINK SHE GETS THAT RECOGNITION ENOUGH, SO TODAY I WANTED TO GO ON THE RECORD.

>> I FEEL THE SAME WAY, AND ANYONE WHO HAS TOUGH QUESTIONS,

[Clerk of Court's Report]

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>> THANK YOU . >>> THAT MOVES US INTO THE

CLERK OF THE COURT 'S REPORT. >> GOOD MORNING SHERMAN AND COMMISSIONERS. IS ME KNOW, TH OFFICE CREATED IN THE TERRITOR OF FLORIDA, ESTABLISHED IN 1821 BY GOVERNOR JACKSON, IN DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE, TO COMMEMORATE THE HISTORIC MOMENT HAVING A MARKER PLACED DESIGNATING THE GOVERNOR'S HOUS AS THE ORIGINAL CLERKS OFFICE I FLORIDA, AT 6 PM ON THE 28TH, UNVEILING CEREMONY AND I WOULD BE HONORED IF YOU WOULD ATTEND.

THE OFFICE GOT TO WORK, SEPTEMBER 13, 1821, SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST RECORDED DEED, NAMING THE GRANTOR OF TH GRANTEE AND DETAILS THE SALE O A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN SAINT INTERNET TO FIND UP WITH THAT I IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, $16,000, GOOD DEAL IF THEY HELD ONTO IT. THE SAME LANGUAGE USED IN THE RECORDING DATE IS STILL USED TODAY. FOUND IN THE OFFICIAL RECORD BOOK PLUS COURT RECORDS AND THE MAPS IN HER OFFICE TELL THE COUNTIES STORY IN HOPES LOOK TO THE FUTURE WITH CONFIDENCE. WE ARE EXCITED TO SHARE THIS HISTORICAL MARKER WITH RESIDENTS, STAFF AND PARTNERS AROUND THE STATE AND HOPE TO SEE YOU AND FAMILIES THE UNVEILING CEREMONY . THAT

[Deletions to Consent Agenda]

CONCLUDES MY REPORT. >> ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

>>> THAT IS GOING TO TAKE US INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA, ANY DELETIONS, IT WILL BE SENT, COMMISSIONER ALAIMO QUICK

>> I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 30 .

>> POLING ITEM NUMBER 30, GETTING MY BEARINGS HERE. OKAY FOR THE REGULAR AGENDA. WAS THAT ALL ?

>> YES. >> I HAVE NO DELETIONS, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. AND CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 32 NUMBER 1, THE AGENDA, IS THERE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT?

>> GOOD MORNING, I WOULD SUGGEST ONE A.

>> WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THE ITE TO ONE A JUST FOR REFERENCE. -

1 A . >>> THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE AMENDED CONSENT AGENDA.

>>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING -- I WOULD LIK TO COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, THIS I REGARDING A ONE MILLION-DOLLAR TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT IS GOING IN ON BADGER PARK DRIVE INTERSECTION, JUST THE PRICE O IT SEEMS STUNNING TO ME AND FORGIVE MY NA÷VET÷, I REALLY JUST TRYING TO LEARN HOW THE PROCESS WORKS AND WHAT ALL HAPPENS I KNOW IT IS EXPENSIVE, BADGER PARK LANE, AND CROSS THE STREET IN COMMERCIAL PARK LANE, AND I SEE THE CUMBERLAND INDUSTRIAL PARK IS -- AS RECENTLY GONE THROUGH

PERMISSION TO EXPAND -- >> COULD WE GET THE OVERHEAD?

THANK YOU. >> SORRY. CUMBERLAND PARK INDUSTRIAL PARK IS HERE AND THEY GET PERMISSION TO EXPAND OVER HERE, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE REASON THERE NEEDS TO BE A ONE MILLION-DOLLAR TRAFFIC LIGH AT BADGER PARK ROAD IS FOR THE INGRESS AND EGRESS IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, THIS IS FROM THEIR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND I DON'T KNOW, TO ME, AND THE INDUSTRIAL PARK IS NOT THER AND BEING EXPANDED, I GET THE BENEFITS OF DISTRICT 2 INTO 10 IS A BEDROOM BUT AS FAR AS I

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COMMENTS, THANK YOU. >>> WOULD YOU MIND TURNING THA

OFF, THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AMENDED CONSENT AGENDA, SEEING NONE, WE WILL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I WILL SAY THIS, THAT THE BEST FORM FOR Q AND A, WE CAN VEER FIVE HOURS RENT IS, ALL AFTERNOON, BUT GREG CALDWELL, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, STANDING IN THE BATHROOM AND NICK DESOUSA, ARE TRANSPORTATIO EXPERTS THEY ARE INVOLVED IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, THEIR

[Approval of Consent Agenda]

>> MOTION. >> SECOND.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE AMENDED CONSENT AGENDA PASSES 5-0, THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

>>> APPROVING THE REGULAR AGENDA, ANY ADDITIONS OR

[Approval of Regular Agenda]

DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA >> NO SIR.

>> I HAVE NONE. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN QUICK

>> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO QUICK >> NONE.

[1. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2023-04 Elevation Pointe.]

>> REGULAR AGENDA, MOTION TO APPROVE THE REGULAR AGENDA.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, QUASIJUDICIAL, EX PARTE DISCLOSURES, COMMISSIONER ALAIMO QUICK

>> NO EX PARTE. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN QUICK

>> NONE. >> I HAVE NONE. COMMISSIONER

ARNOLD QUICK JOSEPH? >> NONE.

>> WE ARE READY , I DID SAY LETTER A FIRST, WE WILL HEAR CONSENT ITEM 30, WE HAVE GOTTE THE EX PARTE OUT-OF-THE-WAY.

THAT IS SORTED. >> DIRECTOR OF TOURISM AND CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT. THIS ITE BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING IS A SIX-MONTH EXTENSION OF THE MARKETING CONTRACT WHICH THE COUNTY AND COMMISSION GIRL, FIVE YEAR CONTRACT EXPIRING ON SEPTEMBER 30, WE ARE REQUESTIN A SIX-MONTH EXTENSION TO ALLOW FOR THE COUNTY TO GET ADDITIONA INPUT FROM THE TOURISM STAKEHOLDER COMMUNITY AND THE RFP PROCESS, WE EXPECT THAT TH SIX MONTHS WILL GIVE US ADEQUAT TIME TO DO SO AND PUTTING A NEW CONTRACT IN PLACE TO DO THAT EXERCISE. AND WE DON'T EXPECT

ANY TYPES OF LAPSE IN SERVICE. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER

DEAN? >> YES. LET ME SPEAK TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS OF THIS ITEM, A QUICK BACKGROUND, I WILL TRY TO BE QUICK. HISTORICALLY, ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT TO DO BOTH THE OVERALL CONTRACT FUNDING THE BCB ON THAT BASIS AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ALSO THE ABILITY, FOR MARKETING, THE TOURISM MARKETING AGREEMENT. FOR THE FIRST YEAR THIS YEAR THEY ARE BROKEN OUT, I'M FINE WITH THAT, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THE CONTRACT WITH BCB, I'VE GOT A LITTLE FAMILIAR WITH IT, AND GOING OUT FOR THE FIRST TIME AS A COUNTY WORKING WITH TARA AND HER STAFF. IN A SEPARATE CONTRACT, THE REQUEST IS FOR A SIX-MONTH EXTENSION O THE MARKETING CONTRACT. I HAV SEVERAL FRIENDS THAT HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR THEIR EXPERIENCE AND TALENT IN THE AREA OF TOURISM, BOTH OF SERVE ON THE BOARD OVER TIME, AND IN FACT HELPED CREATE IT AND THEY HAVE ADVISED ME, IN THEIR OPINION, WHICH I RESPECT, THAT THIS EFFORT COULD TAKE HIS MUCH

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CRITICAL FOR THE TOURISM INDUSTRY THAT WE GET IT RIGHT.

WITH THAT SAID, WHAT I WANTED TO RECOMMEND AND MAKE A MOTION TODAY WAS, THAT WE EXTEND IT NOT FOR SIX MONTHS BUT FOR 12 MONTHS. WE GO THROUGH AN ORDERLY AND GOOD PROCESS THAT WILL GIVE US GOOD PRODUCT AND W CRIER THE MOTION FROM SIX UNTI 12 MONTHS, WITH THE DOUBLING, LISTED IN LINE 30 WHICH I WILL READ AS A MOTION, ALSO DISCUSSION WITH THE LEGAL STAFF TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT , IN THE STATE STATUTE, THAT WE DO OUR BEST TO PROJECT WHAT WE THINK IS THE TIME LIMIT, TO COME UP WITH A NEW CONTRACT AND THE STAFF HAS ADVISED ME, THAT THEY CAN POSSIBLY GET THIS DONE , I'M REPORTING TO YOU THIS MORNING THAT THE COLLEGE THAT I SERVED WITH ON THE BOARD, ARE QUITE CERTAIN IT WILL TAKE UP TO 12 MONTHS, REQUESTING WHAT I ASKED FOR, A SIX-MONTH EXTENSION, S THAT IS WHERE WE ARE. I WOULD B HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

>> JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF CLARIFYING, DID YOU MAKE

EMOTION? >> I WANTED EVERYONE TO TALK.

>> YES SIR, JUST WANTED TO BE SURE.

>> I JUST WANTED TO ASK TARA, IS IT TO EXTEND IT MAY BE TO NINE MONTHS, IS THAT IMPORTANT, IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THE ADVERTISING NOW, OR THE USE OF THE FUNDS NOW OR DILUTE IT? CA YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE I THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE ?

>> AS COMMISSIONER DEAN SAID, STEPH IS TALK AND ALONG WITH PURCHASING STAFF AND LEGAL STAFF, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT KINDA MOVING FORWARD, A THREE MONTH PERIOD FOR WORKING WITH THE TOURISM STAKEHOLDERS AND HAVING REGULAR MEETINGS WITH THE DESIGNATED WORKING GROUP, TO COME UP WITH THE SCOPE OF SERVICES FOR THE RFP, THE EVALUATION CRITERIA FOR THE RFP, THE EVALUATORS, ADDITIONA RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW WE COUL ADVERTISE RFP, WITH THE COUNT USES, AND CRITERIA IS FOR THE PRESENTATION, INTO THE RFP THA WOULD BE SOLICITED, AND GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING. THREE MONTHS FOR THE INPUT AND WORKING WITH THE STAFF WITH PURCHASING IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE US THREE MONTHS REALISTICALLY TO GO THROUGH TH PROCESS AND AWARD A CONTRACT BRING IT FOR YOU TO PROVEN US TO SIGN IT. THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE SIX MONTHS. IF WE EXPAND THAT, WE'RE BETTING TH PROCESS, GIVEN THE TOURISM INPU AND STAKEHOLDER INPUT AND GOING TO THE RFP. WE THINK WE CAN DO IT SIX MONTHS, IT HAS MORE TIME TO THOSE TWO PIECES. IT DOESN'T ADD ANY EXTRA FUNCTIONS

>> OR LOSS OF MONEY FOR THE COUNTY?

>> YES. >> I DON'T THINK IT'S LOSS OF MONEY, WE HAVE ALLOCATED AN AMOUNT IN THE FY 24 BUDGET, WHICH WILL BE IMPROVED SOON, THIS IS SIX MONTHS WORTH OF TH ANNUAL BUDGET, IF WE EXTEND IT TO NINE MONTHS, JUST DO THE MATH, AND MAKE IT TO NINE MONTHS OF FUNDING, AND OBVIOUSL

12 MONTHS MAKE IT DOUBLED. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD QUICK

>> --? >> SAME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TERM INDUSTRY, ANYBODY WHO HAS BEEN DOWNTOWN RECENTLY, I CAN SEE HOW QUIET IT IS, A BIT OF A GHOST TOWN, IN THE MEETING YESTERDAY WE SAW SHOCKING FIGURES, IT'S DEFINITELY SOFTENING, SUCH AN IMPORTANT INDUSTRY FOR THE COUNTY. I AGRE THAT WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT. IF THERE IS A MOTION TO EXTEND IT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SECOND THAT.

>> ANY DISCUSSION, LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE HEAR

THE MOTION. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 1 LETTER A. -- 1 A.

SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE,. >> A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTIO

2023. >> 358.

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>> COUNTY STRAIGHTER AND DOESN'T NEED TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT IN ESSENTIALLY THE SAME FORMAT FORMAT, WITH THE VISITORS BUREAU TO PROVIDE VISITOR MARKETING SERVICES FOR 12 MONTH TERM AT A FUNDING RAT OF $2,725,000 FOR ONE YEAR.

>> A SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES 5-0.

>>> THAT IS GOING TO TAKE US INTO REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY DONE OUR DISCLOSURES, WE ARE READY TO HEAR FROM KATHRYN WHITTINGTON. GOOD MORNING.

>> FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS CATHERINE WHITTINGTON, 236 SAN MARCO AVENUE, 2234, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

WITH ME REPRESENTING ELEVATION DEVELOPMENT, IS MIKE RICH, AN THE CIVIL TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS, BRIAN DIED, ME, AN THE ECOLOGICAL CONSULTANT, COULD NOT BE WITH US TODAY.

BEFORE I GET STARTED ON WHAT I HOPE WILL BE A BRIEF PRESENTATION, ELEVATION WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT

THE DEVELOPER. >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS MIK RICH, VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT FOR ELEVATION TO MOMENT, IN ORLANDO, 189 S. ORANGE AVENUE, 32801, SUITE 1515. WE ARE A FAIRLY GOOD SIZED REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, WE HAVE PROJECTS ALL AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND WE HAVE REALLY ENJOYED WORKING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WORKING O THIS PROJECT FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS. WE HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE FEEL WE HAVE PERFECTED IT, AS YOU VERY WELL KNOW, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED I A MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE, AN THE TENANTS MAKING IT A MIXED USE, WE WERE BLESSED AND LUCKY TO HAVE LANDED PUBLIX SUPERMARKET -- MARKETS, DOING SO TRYING TO JUGGLE THINGS AROUND, THE TECHNICAL REASONS

WE ARE HERE TODAY. AND -- >> IS THAT BETTER? AND TO ADDRESS THE TECHNICAL ITEMS, THEY ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ALONG WITH MS. WHITTINGTON. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE COMPANY OR SPECIFICS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, W ARE HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.

IS TO BE THE ANCHOR, THEY HAV MARRIOTT BRANDED HOTEL, HG, SUCH AS HOLIDAY INN AND CROWNE PLAZA TO THOSE, AND MEDICAL DOCTORS OFFICE. AND TO ORIENT EVERYONE, ELEVATION PARK IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 16. ACROSS FROM THE OUTLET MAL WEST OF I-95, NORTH OF COUNTY ROAD 28 AND NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF 95 AND 6. THER THE OUTLET MALLS RENT THERE. I 95 AND 16, COUNTY ROAD 208, I WILL SHOW IN A MINUTE, COUNT ROAD 208, APPROVED ON 190 ACRES, AND APPROVED FOR 190,00 SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL, 320 MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS, 45 APARTMENTS AND HOTEL ROOMS, THIS SHOWS THE SIGNIFICANT TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THE DEVELOPER HAS GIVEN THE COUNTY, THE NEW COUNTY ROAD 208 REALIGNMENT, THAT IS CURRENTLY

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>>> A FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AS MIKE SAID, ENTIRELY WITHIN THE MIXED USE CATEGORY, AND ALSO WITHIN THIS ENTIRE USE NOTE A

16 AND THE 95 INTERSECTION. >>> THIS SLIDE SHOWS WITH RUNNERS, AND MIX OF USES, COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL TYPE USES, WITH THE OUTLET MALLS, AS WELL AS A LITTLE WONKY TODAY, YET LET MAL IS HERE, CAR DEALERSHIPS HERE AND ON THE WEST SIDE OF 95, ON THE EAST SIDE THERE ARE HOTELS, GAS STATIONS AND RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL SHOPS. AND WE BELIEVE THE PROPOSED USES AND ELEVATION WILL BE A GOOD FIT FO THE DISTRICT. HERE ARE THE SPECIFICS OF THE REQUEST, THEY RELATE ONLY TO THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT. AND THE NEED TO CREATE ADDITIONAL PARKING AREA FOR HOTELS AND MEDICAL STAFF, IT IS NECESSARY TO INCREASE THE WETLAND IMPACT WITH A CORRESPONDING DECREASE I -- INCREASE AND PRESERVE WETLANDS AND BUFFERS, INCREASING AND RECONFIGURE THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AREA WIT A DECREASE IN THE APPROVED COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND DECREASE IN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS FROM 109,00 SQUARE FEET UP TO 170,000 SQUAR FEET, RESULTING IN A REDUCTION OF APPROXIMATELY 300 NEW VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY FROM THE PROJECT, BUT REGARDLESS OF POLICING THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE MITIGATION PACKAGE AS A RESULT OF GIVING

UP THOSE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT. >>> HERE'S A COMPARISON OF THE APPROVED AND REQUESTED CHANGES. THE ONES IN THE RED ARE THE IMPORTANT PART, THE WETLAND IMPACTS ARE INCREASING BY NINE ACRES, GOING FROM SIX ACRES UP TO 15 ACRES, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE WETLAND PROJECTS ARE SMALL, THE SIZE, ONLY 18% OF THE 85 ACRES OF WETLAND AREA THE OPEN SPACE IS 103 POINT ONE, -- 103.1, DOW TO 40 .9 -- 48.9. ALMOST

DOUBLE THE OPEN SPACE . >>> A PROPOSED MDP MAP, I KNOW IT'S BUSY AND THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF ON IT, AND HERE ARE COMMERCIAL PARCELS ALONG 16 AN THERE IS PUBLIX, AND REVIEW, RIGHT NOW, AND SO THE HOTEL, DOCTORS OFFICE IN HERE, COMMERCIAL PARCELS EXTEND DOWN STATE ROUTE 16. THE NEW WETLAN IMPACTS ARE HERE IN HERE WHICH WILL SHOW YOU IN A BETTER MAP MINUTE IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THIS MAP I CAN AS ONE OF THE ENGINEERS TO COME UP AND DISCUSS. BUT THERE ARE NO CHANGES PROPOSED TO THIS YEAR, THIS IS THE TOWNHOME UNITS HER AND NO CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE RESIDENCE AS.

>>> THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES, JUST SPREADING ALL OVER -- ALREADY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT OVER A LARGER AREA TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING LANDSCAPING, DECREASIN -- DECREASING RIGHTS TO 170 WITH APPROXIMATELY 300 TRIPS PE DAY. REGARDING THE WETLANDS, ALL EXISTING AND PROPOSED

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>>> HERE'S A SKIN OF THE PERMIT, ALL PRE-AND POST HAVE BEEN APPROVED, EXISTING AND NE IMPACTS. THEY HAVE ALREADY SECURED THE MITIGATION BANK CREDITS FOR THE OLD AND NEW IMPACTS, ALL 15 ACRES, THEY HAVE ALREADY PAID FOR THE CREDIT, SO THEY DO HAVE A PERMI IN HAND. HERE'S A SECOND PAGE, YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE EVERETT PRICE, SOME OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW HIM, HE'S BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.

>>> THE LIMITED DISTURBANCE MA IS PART OF THE PERMIT. YOU CAN SEE THE NEW AND OLD IMPACTS. HERE'S A CLEARER VERSION THAT SHOWS A LITTLE BETTER, THE GREEN AREA IS THE LARGE DEEP SWAMP WITH THE QUALITY WETLAND BEING PRESERVED. THE PURPLE SHOWS THE ORIGINAL IMPACTS APPROVED UNDER THE 2020 PUD AND THE BLUE SHOWS THE NEW IMPACTS REQUESTED UNDER THIS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT TH 15 ACRE IMPACT IS ONLY 8% OF TH PROJECT, AND THAT'S NOT A LOT OF IMPACTS FOR A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE, 190 ACRES AND SUCH LARGE NUMBER OF WETLAND ACRES, IT'S UNUSUAL TO SEE THAT LOVAN IMPACT.

>>> WITH THAT WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY

HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD I HAVE A QUESTION, MS. WHITTINGTON, THE IMPROVEMENTS WHICH I DO RECOGNIZE IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT 2282 DIRECT TRAFFIC UP TO THE NEW SIGNAL ON STATE ROUTE 16, WHAT IS THAT SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED?

>> AS YOU KNOW IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW, THEY ANTICIPATE THAT FOR ONE SECOND I HAVE IT HERE, BELIEVE IT I AROUND APRIL. MARCH OR APRIL. OR AROUND APRIL AND MAY. APRIL

OR MAY. >> DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE INTERSECTION, RELATED TO YOUR PROJECT, JUST SORT OF ASKING

FOR MY OWN KNOWLEDGE. >> OF STATE ROUTE 16 AND 95 OR

ARE INTERSECTION? >> YES, 95.

>> THERE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, DO YOU KNOW?

>> PROBABLY A BETTER QUESTION FOR MY STAFF.

>> YES. THEY MIGHT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

>> I WILL ASK HIM. >> I KNOW TSIMIS RIGHT NOW.

>> THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, ANXIOUS TO SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS

>> SINCE THE MEETING HAVE YOU MADE ANY ADJUSTMENTS OR CHANGES FROM THE COMMENTS OVER DR. HILDEBRAND'S COMMENTS?

>> NO CHANGES, THERE ARE SOME ONE OR MORE NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES IN WHISPER RIDGE ADJACENT TO THE POND TO THE LEFT, THE WESTERLY POND. LET' SEE IF I CAN SEE IT HERE. IT IS ABOUT 90% COMPLETE. THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THEY'RE SEEING IS A COMBINATION NOT ONLY OF THIS CONSTRUCTION BUT ALSO SOME CLEARING DONE ON THEIR SIDE IN THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE AND THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO DO WHAT THEY CAN TO MITIGATE THE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND POSSIBLY ACCEPT THEIR DRAINAGE INTO HER POND, WHEN THAT IS COMPLETED AND THE OTHER ONE OVER HERE, ABOUT 70% COMPLETED, IT'S GOIN TO HAVE TO MEET PRE-POST AND T ELIMINATE THE DRAINAGE ISSUES T THE WEST.

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>> THE PRESERVE WETLANDS ARE NOT BEING CLEAR CUT IN THE

MIDDLE? >> NO, THEY ARE NOT BEING

TOUCHED. >> CAN YOU GO TO THE SECOND

SLIDE. >> YES.

>> THAT ONE. THIS WAS APPROVE BEFORE I CAME ON THE BOARD AND THE REASON I THINK THAT I AM ON THE BOARD IS BECAUSE I GET LETTERS EVERY DAY ABOUT OUR LOSING QUALITY OF LIFE AND TREASON WETLANDS, THEY HELP US WITH THE WATER AND DUST IN ANIMALS, BEAUTY, AND WHEN I SEE THIS SLIDE, NUMBER 1, I JUST DON'T GET IT AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PUBLIX IS OKAY DOING THAT. I THINK IN THEIR HISTORY THEY'VE TRIED TO BUILD STORES OF WETLANDS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN READJUST TO THREE ACRES INSTEAD OF WANTING SO MUCH MORE THAN THAT, I'M PROBABLY ON THE SMALL END OF TH VOTE THAT I THINK THAT I AM REPRESENTING ST. JOHNS COUNTY, NOT MYSELF AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE TIRED OF THE WETLANDS BEING TAKEN.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU CAN'T JUST TO THE PROJECT WITHIN THE PERIMETER OF NOT GOING INTO THE WETLANDS?

>> THEY STUDIED THIS CAREFULLY WITH PUBLIX, AND THE DEVELOPMENT AREA OF THAT PARCEL WAS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING FIELDS AND DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA THEY NEED TO IMPLEMENT. SO THE ENTIRE NINE ACRES IS NOT ATTRIBUTABLE JUST TO PUBLIX, SOME OF IT IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO THESE OUT PARCELS. ON THE EAST SIDE. THE USES , WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED IN 2020, THE USERS HAVE CHANGED, WASN'T ANTICIPATED THEY NEEDED THAT MUCH DEVELOP AN AREA. BUT THAT BEING SAID THEY WENT TO GREAT PAINS WITH THE ECOLOGICAL CONSULTANTS INTO THE FIELD TO IDENTIFY THE LEAST VALUABLE WETLANDS AND AVOID IMPACTING THE HYDRAULICS OF THE WETLANDS.

>> I JUST FEEL BAD WHEN YOU SA THAT, IS TAKING THE COUNTY AND CHANGING SOME ROLES, THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU CAN'T CONFORM TO THAT, I MAY BE ONE PERSON BUT I REPRESENT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST TIRED OF IT ALL.

>> UNDERSTOOD, AND I WILL SAY THIS IS NOT ASKING FOR ANY WAIVERS, IT WAS REVIEWED BY TH STAFF IN THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT 21 TWO AND LOOKED AT THESE AND ISSUED THE PERMIT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1. GOOD MORNING.

>> JUDY SPIEGEL, 101 GREEN WITH A LINK, I HAVE A QUESTION, THE LARGE AREA WETLAND, I DO COMMEND THEM FOR THAT, MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN COME BACK AN SAY WE WANT TO. JUST A QUESTION

>> THANK YOU. >> ARE YOU WAITING FOR ME TO

ANSWER QUICK >> LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST AND THEN WE WILL ANSWER THE

>> GOOD MORNING. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOE FISK, ED SLAVEN, WE HAVE NO SWORN TESTIMONY, THEREFORE UNDER THE RULES YOU NEED TO REJECT THE PROPOSAL, LEARNED COUNSEL TESTIFIED, LAWYERS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO TESTIFY, SHE EXPRESSED OPINIONS, LAWYERS AR NOT SUPPOSED TO TESTIFY TO PENNIES, THERE ARE NO EXPERTS, THEY DID NOT BRING THE ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERT BECAUSE I THINK THEY FIGURED IT WOULD GET APPROVED, IT NEEDS TO BE TABLED, REMANDED OR REJECTED.

SHE SAID IT IS NECESSARY TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF WETLANDS TAKEN, PUBLIX IS NOT HERE. THE PERSPECTIVE COMMERCIAL LESSEES ARE NOT HERE. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC SAYING WE NEED TO KILL ANOTHER 10 ACRE OF WETLANDS. NO, DON'T DO THIS, THIS IS SO WRONG. THEY DID NO IDENTIFY WHO ARE THE BENEFICIA OWNERS AND INVESTORS IN THIS PROJECT. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT HOW DO WE KNOW WE ARE NOT VIOLATING FLORIDA STATUTE 112, CONFLICT OF INTEREST, HOW DO WE KNOW? WE ARE NOT GETTING A COMPLETE RECORD, WE USED TO UNTIL 2019, HAVE STAFF PRESENTATIONS WITH EVERY DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION THAT

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SAY NO. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1? SEEING NONE, CLOSING

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> MS. WHITTINGTON, ANY

RESPONSE? >> TO ANSWER THE FIRST ONE, THE WETLANDS ARE BEING PRESERVED UNDER THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMIT AS WELL AS UNDE THE PUD, WE HAVE NO OBJECTION BEING IN THE ATTACHMENT UNDER CONSERVATION EASEMENT BUT THEY WILL BE PRESERVED, FIRST OF ALL, ATTORNEYS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE SWORN IN AND ALL THE EVIDENCE HAS BEEN VETTED AND PREPARED BY EXPERT CONSULTANTS. ALSO THE STAFF OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THIS AND SIGNED OFF OF ALL OF THE COMMENTS. WITH THAT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHE

WESTERNS. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? JUST UNCLEAR, THE PROPOSAL IS TO REDUCE THE SQUAR

FOOTAGE. >> REDUCING 20,000 AND ALLEVIATING TRIPS, IT MIGHT BE BETTER THAN 300, BECAUSE OF THE

INTERNAL CAPTURE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. BACK TO THE BOARD, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD QUICK

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2023-42, PREMEDICATION, ON ELEVATION POINTE, BASED ON SIX

[2. Public Hearing * PUD 2023-05 Deer Run Road PUD.]

FINDING OF FACTS. >> EMOTION BUT COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONE DEAN. ANY FOR THE DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. -- A MOTION. TH MOTION PASSES 4-1.

>>> AND ITEM NUMBER 2, QUASIJUDICIAL ITEM. ANY

DISCLOSURES. >> TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 11:3 AM, I MET WITH AUTUMN MARTINAG AND MCGUIRE AND STAFF.

>> AND TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, AT ABOUT 1:30 PM I MET WITH AUTUMN MARTINAGE AND JOHN MCGUIRE AND THE STAFF AND DISCUSSED BASICALLY ISSUES INVOLVING TRAFFIC AND COMPATIBILITY OF THE SITE. DEE RUN. SPEAKERS AT THERE WERE 12 APPROXIMATELY NOON I ALSO MET WITH AUTUMN MARTINAGE, AND THE STAFF DISCUSSING THE LOCATION AND TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS .

COMMISSIONER ARNOLD QUICK >> I HAD THE SAME MEETING ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12 IT 10:30 AM, WITH AUTUMN MARTINAGE, JOHN MCGUIRE AND STAFF, DISCUSSING THE TYPE OF HOUSING,

LOCATION AND COMPATIBILITY. >> I HAD THE SAME MEETING AT NOON WITH 11 AM SORRY, WITH THEM AND STAFF IN A SITE VISIT WITH ANGELA AND JUDY HUNTER, THE RESIDENCE OF DEER RUN AT 9:30 AM AND THE BEST KIN OF WHAT THEY WOULD LOVE TO SEE HAPPEN OUT THERE. AND SPOKE AGAIN TO JOHN MCGUIRE AND HE SEEMED TO BE OPEN TO SOME OF THOSE THINGS. THANK YOU.

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>> YOU ARE RECOGNIZE. >> AUTUMN MARTINAGE, MATHEWES DESIGN GROUP, BEFORE I GET INT IT, WHO DO I HAD SOME DOCUMENT TO THAT NEED TO BE PASSED UP? OKAY.

PASSED OUT, THE IMAGE OF A SLIDE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TH POWERPOINT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT, WE CAN SHOW TO THE PROJECTOR, REGARDING TRANSPORTATION AS WELL AS A SINGLE SHEET UPDATE TO THE BLUE LINE FOR REFERENCE AND A CLEAN FULL COPY OF THE BLUE LINE FULL COPY OF THE MDP NARRATIVE, AND I WILL ADDRESS THAT WHEN I GET THERE.

>>> THE SUBJECT SITE IS OFF O DEER RUN ROAD NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF FOUR MILE STATE ROUTE SIX TINA AND DARREN RODE IN NORTH ST. JOHNS COUNTY. YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL MAP, APPROXIMATELY A 25 ACRE SITE THAT IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WIT TWO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES. IT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY ALMOST COMPLETELY CLEARED BY CURRENT AND PAST PROPERTY OWNERS. THER IS AN EXISTING SPECIMEN TREE ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SIT THAT WILL BE PRESERVED WITHIN THE RECREATION AREA AND I WILL HIGHLIGHT THAT WHEN I GET TO THAT SLIDE FURTHER. THE FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING MAPS IS CURRENTLY ZONED OPEN RULE AND IT IS IN THE USE DESIGNATION CATEGORY, I APOLOGIZE THAT IS DUPLICATE SOT -- SLIDE. IT IS RELATIVELY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, AS YOU CAN SEE THE PROJECT IS PROPOSED TO BE 52 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITHI 22 DUPLEX BUILDINGS, APPROXIMATELY 4.02 PER ACRE, IT ALLOWS FOR UP TO SIX UNITS PER ACRE. TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE, APPROVED I BELIEVE LAST YEAR, STATE ROAD 16 APPROVED FOR APPROXIMATELY 305 UNITS, ANY DENSITY OF 9.2 PER ACRE, THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED COMMUNITY INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY 400 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES, 125 MULTIFAMILY, WITH A DENSITY OF 339 PER ACRE, 3.39 , FROM NORTH TO SOUTH WIT THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE MIDDLE.

>>> ON THE SCREEN IS -- I APOLOGIZE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS CUT OFF, THE MDP MAP OF THE AREA, DEER RUN IS APPROXIMATELY WERE THE YELLOW LINE IS. THERE IS ONE NEW AXIS, A PRIVATE ROAD THAT WILL ACCESS DEVELOPMENT WITH A TOTAL OF 26 UNITS. LET

ME GET MY NOTES DOWN HERE. >>> NO WETLANDS WILL BE IMPACTED, I APOLOGIZE AGAIN, MINIMAL 10 A LANDSCAPING COMPATIBILITY BUFFER IS PROPOSE TO RUN ALL THE ELEVATIONS OF TH SITE AND I WILL ADDRESS THE AT THE PROPERTY, 2400 DEER RUN ROAD ON THE SLIDE, THE SPECIMEN TREE , YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE, A RED CIRCLE NEXT TO THE CUL-DE-SAC PRESERVED AND MAINTAINED WITHIN THE RECREATION AREA, AND DEVELOPING THE SITE AROUND THE WETLANDS. EXISTING PRIVATELY OWNED SECTION, BETWEEN THE ROA DESPERATE ROADWAY AND DEER RUN ROAD, WILL BE CLOSED, THEY HAVE AGREED, AND THE RESIDENCES, TO THE NORTH, NOT PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY WILL USE THE ROADWAY TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY. WE ARE NOT LIMITING AXIS, WE ARE IMPROVING IT FOR THEM AND THE EXISTING IMPACTS OF DEER RUN BOULEVARD. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH MENTIONS THE

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IMPACTING IT IN ANY WAY. >>> ACCIDENTALLY BACKED OUT OF THAT, TOO, BUT WE ARE PROPOSIN IN THE NEXT SLIDE, I WILL READ THE TEXT, ADDITIONAL BUFFERING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PRIVACY AND SOUND BARRIER FOR THE ANTHONY FAMILY ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE SEPARATING DEER RUN ROAD AS WELL AS OUR PROPERT ADJACENT HERE IS THE SLIDE BY ITSELF. CURRENTLY THE TEN-DAY REQUIREMENTS REQUIRE A 6 FOOT PRIVACY FENCE. -- 10 A . A OPAQUE LANDSCAPE SCREENING WITHIN TWO YEARS OF PLANTING, BELIEVE I'VE COULD'VE THAT RIGHT, WE ARE PROPOSING IN ADDITION TO MEETING THE 10 A REQUIREMENT, WE WILL INTERSPERS -- LET ME GET TO THE SLIDE. HERE IS A VISUAL OF WHAT WE AR PROPOSING. ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, 2400 DEER RUN ROAD, EVERGREEN CANOPY TREES NOT LESS THAN 12 FEET HIGH AND 4 INCH CALIPER IN DIAMETER AT TIME OF PLANTING WILL BE PLANTED WITHIN THE 10 FOOT INCOMPATIBILITY BUFFER, THESE TREES ALONG WITH THE EXISTING MATURE LAUREL OAK TREES WILL MEET THE SPACING REQUIREMENTS CONSISTENT WITH THE SCREENING STANDARD LISTED IN SECTION 60 B 4, IN ESSENCE, MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SCREENING WITHOUT UPPING THE SCREENING BECAUSE IT REQUIRES MATURE EVERGREEN TREES PLANTED IN AN INTERVAL OF 20 FEET AND LAUREL OAKS DON'T MEET THE DEFINITION OF AN EVERGREEN CANOPY TREE, WE ARE MEETING THE CONDITION BY USING THE EXISTING TREES AND ADDING ADDITIONAL'S AT 20 FEET APART. WHICH IS CONSISTENT WIT WHAT WE ARE SHOWING RIGHT HERE

ON THIS IMAGE. >>> SO TO SUMMARIZE AND WE HAV ADDITIONAL SLIDES REGARDING TRAFFIC AND I WILL LET THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER SPEAK TO THAT. THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, 2 DUPLEX BUILDINGS FOR A TOTAL O 22,000 UNITS , AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, THEN TRADITIONA SINGLE-FAMILY ARE CONDOS, AIMING TO PRICE THEM IN THE LOW 300S TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR MANY OF THE REGULAR FOLKS THE TARGET BUYERS, TEACHERS, POLICE AND YOUNG PROFESSIONAL FAMILIES. WE WILL BE CLOSING THE PRIVATELY OWNED FAZIO ROAD REQUESTING NO WAIVERS FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT AND PCA DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL. WITH THAT WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAV NOW OR IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTI THE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS WEEKS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE TRAFFIC EXPERT. THANK

YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, FOR THE RECORD, JACKSON FLORIDA, 3216, AND UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE A SMALL SKILL DEVELOPMENT, ESTIMATING 21 TRIPS, FIVE ENTERING AND 16 EXITING TRIPS, IN THE AFTERNOON, 37 TRIPS , INCLUDIN 16 ENTERING 11 EXITING, AND LOOK AT TRAFFIC COUNTS IN THE AREA AT THE INTERSECTIONS, AROUND THE PROJECT. WE ESTIMATE ABOUT NINE TRIPS TO BE ON FOR MILE ROAD, SIX TRIPS ON

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>>> WE UNDERSTAND SOME ROADWAY THAT ARE CURRENTLY DEFICIENT OR CLOSE TO BEING DEFICIENT. WITH THE FUTURE 312 EXTENSION, SOM OF THE DEFICIENT ROADWAYS ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE REDUCED TRAFFI IN THAT AREA, SO WE THINK THE PROJECT IS INSIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC IMPACTS BUT W ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BUT AT THE SAME TIME BELIEVE THE INTERCESSION OF HOMES BOULEVARD, BEING IMPROVED IT'S ALREADY THERE, AND THE FEATURES BE MONITORED FOR TRAFFIC SIGNALS, A MIXED DEVELOPMENT, OUR CLIENT IS PREPARED TO WORK WITH DEVELOPING IF IT NEEDS ANY WATER IN THE FUTURE, WITH THAT BEING SAID I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU. AND DOES THAT

CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION? >> DEPENDS ON THE CONVERSATION OF HOW THE AND GOES, WE HAVE SLIDES BASED ON CONVERSATIONS W HAD ABOUT EXISTING TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT I CAN SHOW BUT I CAN WAIT TO SEE IF YOU BRING THEM UP IN THE CONVERSATION OR HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED I CAN DO THAT AND YOU CAN COME BACK IF YOU WANT.

>> WHAT WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE WILL SEE IF THERE'S

ANY QUESTIONS. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. GOOD MORNING.

>> HOW ARE YOU THIS MORNING. 2400 DEER RUN ROAD, THE ANTHONY, IT IS WINTER, THAT'S FINE, I DO LIVE ADJACENT TO TH PROPERTY, I BORDER ON TWO SIDE OF MY PROPERTY WITH THE PROPERTY, MY FIRST CONCERN I WANT TO BRING UP HIS WITH TRAFFIC, IN THE AREA IN GENERAL FORMAL ROAD AND THE BOULEVARD ROAD, THE DIFFICULTY OF GETTIN OFF OF HURON ROAD ON THE FORMA ROAD NOW, WHICH ACCORDING TO THE NUMBERS IS A 115% CAPACITY AT THIS POINT, NORTH HOMES BOULEVARD IS AT 90% CAPACITY. M QUESTION FOR YOU, WITH THE NUMBERS OF TRAFFIC, IS THERE GOING TO BE KIND OF IMPROVEMENT TO THE ROADS WHERE WITH THE SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES AT THE EN WITH 400 SOMETHING HOMES, TRAFFIC BEING ABLE TO MOVE IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO HOMES BOULEVARD OR TO FORMAL ROAD, SO BE ABLE TO TO TAKE THE TRAFFIC, EXISTING AND NEW TRAFFIC, ARE THERE GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF IMPROVEMENT THERE, A TRAFFIC LIGHT OR ROAD

IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES? >>> ANOTHER THING WOULD BE THE DRAINAGE, I KNOW SINCE THEY RA WATER AND SEWER LINES TO SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES ALONG DEER RUN ROAD, THE DRAINAGE HAS GOTTEN WORSE, I HAVE MORE MORE APPROPRIATE NOW THE PAST, AND HAVE BEEN THERE 56 YEARS. THEY DID THOSE LINES, THE COUNTY DU THEM BACK OUT BUT IT DOESN'T DRAIN LIKE IT USED TO DRAIN. S THAT IF THERE HAS TO BE ANY ON THIS NEW PROPERTY, BUILDING HOMES, IS THAT GOING TO MAKE THE DRAINAGE WORSE AND PUT MORE

WATER TOWARDS ME? >>> THE BUFFER ASSAULT, I TALKED WITH MCGUIRE, THE FENCE TRY TO WORK, IF YOU SELL THE MAPS, IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY CLOSE TO MY PROPERTY LINE. WIT THE BUFFER AND TREES, AND PUT I ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE, BUT IT WAS ACROSS THERE ALSO. I DO APPRECIATE THAT, JUST SOME OF THE CONCERNS, TRAFFIC IS A MAJOR ONE, I APPRECIATE IT .

>> THANK YOU SIR. GOOD MORNING >> AND MARIE EVANS, 1356 ROBERTS ROADS, ST. JOHN'S. WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR IN THE DEER RUN PRESENTATION WAS THE IMPACT ON SCHOOLS. I GOOGLED ONE OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE ADDRESSE TO FIGURE OUT THE EXISTING RULE

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WOULD VOTE AGAINST IT . >>> THE OTHER THING THAT DID COME OUT OF THE PRESENTATION IS THAT DUPLEXES ARE GOING TO BE TARGETED TO YOUNG FAMILIES, YOUNG FAMILIES ARE GOING TO HAV KIDS, 2 1/2 AVERAGE PER FAMILY THAT RESULTS IN 130 EXTRA KID IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE ON THE IMPACT ON SCHOOLS AND WHETHER THEY CAN HANDLE THE CAPACITY.

SAINT AUGUSTINE HIGH SCHOOL WOULD FROM A TO B RATING, I CA ONLY ASSUME THAT OVERCROWDING HAS SOME.

>>> THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS THE TRIP COUNTS, AND THAT WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE TARGETED TOWARDS YOUNG FAMILIES, AND MOST HOUSEHOLDS HAVE TWO WORKING ADULTS, 104 TRIPS IN AND OUT EVERY DAY, AN ALREADY TRAFFIC RIDDEN AREAS, S JUST WANTING TO ASK FOR CLARIFICATION OF THE SCHOOLS AN MORE INFORMATION AND TO CONSIDER THIS, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENT? GOOD MORNING.

>> BJ , WAS CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, WHATEVER DEVELOPERS AND THE TEAM COMES UP., AND SPEAKS, IT IS TRUE THE PCA APPROVED IT BY A 3-2 VOTE, THAT'S NOT UNANIMOUS, THERE'S REASON THAT 2 DIDN'T WANT IT PASSED, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT SAY SOMETHING LIKE THT. LOOKING AT THE PICTURE AND MR. HUNTER SPEAKING, HE'S THE ONE WHO'S REALLY GOING TO BE AFFECTED, TH FENCE, IS IT 6 FEET, CAN MAKE IT HIGHER? AND IT WON'T HURT THE TREES? SO THAT HE WOULD HAVE MORE BUFFER. IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON THAT HE WOULD JUST HAVE TO CLOSE UP HIS YEARS. IF THAT CAN BE CLARIFIED BY THE DEVELOPER, I APPRECIATED. GOOD MORNING.

>> AND SLAVEN, THIS IS OPEN RURAL AND THEY WENT TO CONVERTED TO A PUD. WIRE WE STILL ENTERTAINING APPLICATIONS LIKE THIS, OPEN RURAL STATE OPEN RULE, 70,000 HOMES PREAPPROVED FOR CONSTRUCTION AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY MY VIEW TH TIME THE JUDGE AND I WERE CROSSING THE FLORIDA GEORGIA LINE, THEY WERE WIDENING I-95 CIRCA 1992, HE LOOKS AT ME AND SAYS IF YOU HAD A SEWAGE PIPE DUMPING IN YOUR BACKYARD WOULD YOU MAKE IT BIGGER? WHY DOES ST JOHNS COUNTY CONSTANTLY IMPROV DEVELOPING PROJECTS AND NOT EVEN HEAR FROM THE STAFF, NO STAFF PERSON HAS APPEARED BEFOR YOU, ANOTHER DEVELOPER SALES JOB. I OPPOSE CONVERTING OPEN RURAL TO PUD, AS KATHY BROWN SAID, IT'S A SNEAKY WAY OF GETTING AROUND ZONING. WE HEAR FROM THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT NEIGHBOR ABOUT DRAINAGE, THAT ALONE IN THE TRAFFIC , I URGE THAT YOU OPPOSE THIS. BUT THEN YOU ADD THE SCHOOLS, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT PORTABLE CLASSROOMS, WHICH WE KNOW HAVE 227 THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS TOO MANY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITUATION WITH SCHOOL SHOOTERS, IF YOUR CHILD IS IN A PORTABLE CLASSROO AND A SCHOOL SHOOTER COMES IN, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO ESCAPE? PLEASE TELL ME. PLEASE TELL ME WHY WE NEED TO KEEP RUBBERSTAMPING DEVELOPMENTS AN BY THE WAY WE DON'T KNOW WHO TH BENEFICIAL OWNERS AND INVESTORS ARE, THERE OUGHT TO BE A FORM AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY REQUIRING EVERY APPLICANT DISCLOSE WHO AR YOU, IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK? LET THEM PRODUCE IDENTIFICATION LET THEM PRODUCE CORPORATE PAPERS MORE THAN JUST WE ARE A LLC. THESE LLCS IN FLORIDA, REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS, THANKS TO DONALD TRUMP AND HIS LOBBYING CONGRESS IN 1986, BASICALLY DEVELOPERS DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES.

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>>> IN FLORIDA, UNDER ONE OF TH GOVERNORS, FLORIDA GOT A CORPORATE INCOME TAX, IN 1971, TO KNOW THE CORPORATIONS IN FLORIDA DID TO GET AROUND THE CORPORATE INCOME TAX? THEY GOT THE LEGISLATURE TO CREATE A WHOLE NEW CRITTER. LLC, IT IS NOT A CORPORATION, SO IT BASICALLY DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES. WE ARE SUBSIDIZING DESTRUCTION OF WETLANDS AND OUR ENVIRONMENT, SUBSIDIZING DESTRUCTION OF QUALITY-OF-LIFE IN SCHOOLS AND WE ARE DESTROYING OPEN RURAL. I SAY THERE IS NO PUBLIC BENEFIT FOR THESE PROPOSALS AND YOU SHOULD REJECT IT, I WOULD URGE YOU DO SO, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MR. SLAVEN. GOOD MORNING.

>> SHERRY BADGER, 2772 S. COLLINS AVENUE. IT IS A WAKE U CALL, I'VE BEEN CALLING FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, BUT NOW ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOL, MAYBE NOT OUT IN THE NORTH END, NORTHWEST OF TOWN, BUT NOW THERE IS SUCH A SHORTAGE OF US DRIVERS, YOU'VE GOT 5-10-YEAR-OLDS WALKING DOWN TH ROAD 16 TO GET TO A BUS STOP. BUT NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE ABOUT THE INNER-CITY KIDS. , BLESS, HAVE A GREAT DAY. -- GOD BLESS SPEAK OR ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> YOUR RESPONSE?

>> HE WILL COME OUT TO ANSWER IMPACTS ON TRAFFIC COUNTS THING LIKE THAT, AS FAR AS THE SCHOO CONCURRENCY, IT HAS NOT BEEN RU YET, I'M UNSURE IF ANYBODY FROM THE COUNTY CAN ANSWER AS FAR AS THE ANTICIPATED NUMBER OF STUDENTS ON THE SCHOOLS, IT HA NOT BEEN RUN AND I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME.

REGARDING STORMWATER, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING MET ON SITE, AS WELL AS -- LET ME JUST BACKTRACK. THE STORM WATE PONDS ARE SHOWN THE SITE, ADJACENT TO THE WETLANDS, NOT IMPACTING THE EXISTING WETLANDS WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL SCREENIN ALONG THE 2400 YEAR RUN ROAD, THE ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE THE SITE TRIANGLE COMING OUT, RUNNING ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT WE CAN DEFE TO TRAFFIC ENGINEERS BUT A HIGHER FENCE , IT WAS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION. WE WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO. WE ARE PROPOSIN OVER 25% OF THE SITE, 6.2 ACRE IS BEING PRESERVED AS OPEN SPACE. AS WELL AS 10.17 ACRES OF THE SITE THAT ARE WETLANDS BEING PRESERVED AS WELL. WE AR ALSO PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY ONE .04 ACRES, -- 1.04, A PLAYGROUND OF SORTS AND OPEN SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO HANG OUT WITH PARK BENCHES OR WHATEVER THE DEVELOPER ULTIMATELY BUILD ON THE SITE, WITH THAT I WILL

DEFER TO RAJ . THANK YOU. >> WE UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, UNFORTUNATELY DEER RU ROAD IS VERY CLOSE TO THE FOUR MILE ROAD, WE COULD NOT PROPOSE IMPROVEMENTS AT THAT LOCATION, SUBSEQUENTLY DOWN THE STREET, DARREN RODE MEETS WITH THE HOMES, SAINT AUGUSTINE, PROVIDING THAT INTERSECTION, I IS BEING MONITORED FOR THE LAKES, AND AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, OUR CLIENTS ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER, FOR SOME SORT OF PRORATED COST. WITH THE COST O THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION IF NECESSARY. BECAUSE OF THE SIZE THE PROJECT WE DID NOT HAVE ANY HERE BUT IT IS STILL SUBJECT T IMPACT FEES WITH TRANSPORTATION AND THE CLIENT IS WILLING TO PAY IMPACT FEES AND MITIGATION TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I WOUL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

>> I THINK COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AS A QUESTION?

>> YES, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CA HELP ME, THE FOUR MILE IN DEER RUN ROAD , THAT IS TOUGH, TO MAKE A LEFT ON THAT IF IT'S BUS

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TO SOMEBODY. >> THEIR PLANS FOR THAT INTERSECTION, AND RECOGNIZE THAT, THE FURTHER PUD DONATED RIGHT AWAY, ATTRIBUTED IN THE PROP SHARE TO THE INTERSECTION I BELIEVE ON THE CIP LIST, AN THE CURRENT PROJECT FOR FUNDING AND CONSTRUCTION, CONTEMPLATIN TO MAKE THE NECESSARY RUNS THE INTERSECTION AND AUXILIARY TURN LANES AND YOU KNOW, JUST RUNNING INTO THE ISSUE, WORD ART EXISTED, THE CONSTRAINTS W HAVE, IDENTIFYING THE PROJECT WE DO ALREADY HAVE A CONTRIBUTO DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THAT FOR THE FUNDING OF THE IMPROVEMENTS

>> >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE TO ASK COMMISSIONER DEAN AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU MENTIONED THE PIC LAW, WOULD YOU MIND EXPLAINING THAT TO ME AGAIN, TRYING TO WRA MY HEAD AROUND EXACTLY WHAT WA THE INTENT OF THE STATE STATUE IN LAW?

>> A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO THERE WERE CERTAIN COUNTIES AND SOUTH FLORIDA BUILDING MORE AND MORE SCHOOLS, IN ANTICIPATION OF FUTURE GROWTH WITH STATE TAXES AND BASICALLY THE LEGISLATURE RESPONDED THIS WAS AROUND THE MID 70S, BASICALLY THE LAW NOW PUBLIC EDUCATION CAPITAL, IN OTHER WORDS THAT'S A LEGISLATIV FUNDING TO MANAGE LOCAL FUNDING FOR SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION K-12, WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DID IS TWO THINGS, LOCAL SCHOOL BOARDS CANNOT BUILD THAT, ON THE GRADE SCHOOL, CAN'T GET FUNDING STARTING CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SCHOOL, UNLESS THAT SPECIFIC ZONE IS ALREADY'S 50% OR MORE.

>> YES. >> I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND SUGGEST THAT THE PERMIT THAT COMES IN FRONT OF US, VOTING TO DENY THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. BUT TO SUGGEST A IMMEDIATE SOLUTION, ISSUING NO FURTHER NEW DEVELOPMENT. I THINK OVERLOOKS THIS POINT. HE SAID AND I AGREE WITH HIM, 60 AND 70,000 UNITS. COUNTYWIDE, MOST OF THOSE WERE ISSUED PRIO TO THE CRASH, NEVERTHELESS THE ARE THERE, MY RECOMMENDATION I WE MEET WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, SUGGESTING A JOINT EFFORT, TO AMEND THE LAW, WE ARE NOT GOIN TO CATCH UP FOR 10 OR 15 YEARS, EVEN IF WE APPROVE NO NEW DEVELOPMENTS, AND I DOUBT WE WON'T APPROVE ANY NEW DEVELOPMENTS AT LEAST IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, TRY AND

ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. >> I KNOW I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE LAWS, WHEN I WAS ATTENDING THE HIGH SCHOOL THE LATE 90S, THE CAPACITY, AND PORTABLE CLASSROOMS ALL OVER THE CAMPUS IN THE LATE 90S, AND ONGOING ISSUES, PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN TALLAHASSEE FLORIDA, I ATTENDE THE CLASSES AND PORTABLES IN EVERY SINGLE CLASS, THE BEEN TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL STATE OF FLORIDA, I KNOW SOMETHING MORE THAN WE ARE JUST APPROVING THE HOMES, SOMETHING MORE TO THE

STORY. >> I WANT TO QUICKLY RESPOND T YOUR COMMENT, AND I FOUND, BASICALLY THE ONLY BENEFIT OF THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE IS DOWNHILL.

TIME TO TIME, REMEMBERING THINGS FROM 1955 FOR SOME

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REASON. >> WE HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS WANT TO SPEAK. COMMISSIONER ALAIMO.

>> BRING UP SCHOOLS AS WELL, HA STAFFORD REGARDING THE IMPACT OF THE PROJECT, IN COLLABORATION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE'VE HEARD A LOT THI WEEK, I'VE HAD FOLKS COME TO ME, SOME REZONING GOING ON WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND SOME REAL CONCERNS, I WANTED TO ASK AND SEE IF ANYBODY HAD HEARD

FROM THEM? >> MR. CHAIR, I SEE HE'S LOOKING AT ME, I HAVE NOT ACHIEVED INDICATION.

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH QUICK >> I WANT TO GO BACK TO HENRY, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, I DON'T THE COUNTY PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL WITH THE SCHOO BOARD DOES AND WHAT THEY BUILD INTO THE NUMBERS GET HIT, BUT WE SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER GOING FORWARD WITH WHAT WE ARE IMPROVING, BUT WE ARE GOING TO GET THE SCHOOLS ALL THAT, COMPLETELY OPEN, DOING A MOTIO WHERE WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND HAVE SOME SORT OF MEETING ON THAT.

>> AND THE BEST REPORTS, FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE

APPLICANTS? >> NOT A QUESTION SO MUCH, I'VE REALLY GONE BACK AND FORTH ON THIS PROJECT. NEEDING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS AREA ESPECIALLY NOT KNOWING THE IMPACTS, I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS. A NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT IT, SO THAT BEING SAID, GOING TO MOVE TO DENY 2023-05 BASED ON 10 FINDINGS OF FACT THAT

>> A MOTION TO DENY FROM COMMISSIONER ARNOLD AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALAIMO CUT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION,

[3. Public Hearing * REZ 2023-06 Whole 9 Yards.]

THE MOTION TO DENY PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR COMING AND SPEAKING IN THINK YOU TO TH APPLICANT.

>>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3, QUASIJUDICIAL, EX PARTE DISCLOSURES, STARTING TO MY RIGHT THIS TIME, COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH. >> TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12 IT 12:30 PM, RAY AND SAMANTHA TAYLOR. ALSO DROVE EXTENSIVELY IN THE AREA TO SEE WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, EVERY DIFFERENT AREA, AND ECLECTIC, AND THE AIRPORT DISTRICT, THANK YOU.

>> TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2023 11:30 AM, MEETING WITH THEM AN STAFF, AND DESMET ECLECTIC IS A GOOD WORD FOR THE AREA.

>> ITEM MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 12 AT APPROXIMATELY 11 AM, SAMANTHA TAYLOR, AND ALONG WIT THE COUNTY STAFF, DISCUSSING THE LOCATION AND CONCERNS WHAT THEY DO AS A BUSINESS TO EARN A LIVING IN THE BUFFERING THEY WERE OFFERING. COMMISSIONER

DEAN QUICK >> ON SEPTEMBER 12, ABOUT 2:00, I DID MEET WITH THEM, KENZIE HALLING ALONG WITH THE STAFF, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY, THE AREA OF TRAFFIC IN THE WETLANDS THAT BASICALLY CONCLUDES THE DISCUSSION. TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12 AT NOON, SAMANTHA TAYLOR, FROM KENZIE HALLING, TO DISCUS THE PROJECT.

>> COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU, W ARE READY FOR YOU. MATTHEW LAHTI GOOD MORNING. A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION HERE, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE WITH ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

AS WE HEARD AND DISCUSSED, THE PIECE OF PROPERTY IS 1.3 SEVEN ACRES, LOCATED TO THE WEST, INT THE SOUTH OF BIG OAK ROAD HERE

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ZOOMING OUT LITTLE BIT. THE ENTIRE TRACT OF LAND HERE INDUSTRIAL DIRECTLY TO THE SOUT SOME INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL TO THE WEST. EXISTING ZONING IS OPEN RURAL, DIRECTLY ABUTTING THE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE TO THE WEST. ZOOMING OUT WITH THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP, YOU CAN SEE THE CORRIDOR OF INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH, WITH THE IW PARCELS TO THE SOUTH. IS ZOOMED AND MATCH SHOWING IT HERE. BUFFERING ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDING SETBACKS, AND THE BUFFERING AN SETBACKS YOU CAN SEE BASED ON THE SITE PLAN, NO NEW BUILDING ARE PROPOSED ON THE PARCEL AND THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS PROPOSE UNDER THE CURRENT COMMERCIAL PLANS BEING REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY, ALL THE WAY TO THE WES OF THE PROPERTY LINE HERE. AGAI THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN WITH TH TWO BUILDINGS HERE IS ORIENTED LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY TO THE MAP, YOU HAVE SOME STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES AND THE INTERNAL ACCESS TO THE NEW PARCEL. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A FENCE ON THE SETBAC LINE HERE ALONG BIG OAK ROAD SOUTH, PROPOSING SOME PLANTING AND LANDSCAPING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT BETWEEN THE FENCE AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE SCREENIN AND BUFFERING SHOULD HELP VISUALLY BREAK THIS UP. AND INCLUDING THE FACILITIES, AND NO ACCESS TO THE PARCEL FROM BIG OAK ROAD SOUTH. AND TRAFFIC AS DISCUSSED, AND SOUGHT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AND AND OPENLY RESTRICTING FROM 7 AM TO 6 PM, WITH THAT WE ARE

HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> ON THE LAST LIGHT-YEAR, WERE THESE CHANGES THE APPLICANT HAS MADE, AND THE PRESENTATION. AND 3-WERE TWO T DENY, AND RESPONDING TO THE VOTE, ARE THEY ALREADY THERE, AND THEY WERE NOT INCLUDED, INCLUDING THE OPERATION, THE COMMERCIAL UNDER REVIEW, AND REMOVAL OF THE DRIVEWAYS, AND THE APPLICATION OF THE PLANS OF THE HEARING.

>> AND THE RESTRICTION OF OPERATING HOURS. AND DISCUSSED WITH THAT, JOSEPH, DID YOU SAY THE APPLICANT IS IN THE ROOM? IN ANY QUESTIONS? CONDITIONING THE APPROVAL. THE

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>> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. ABOUT WHAT THE BUSINESS DEALS AND THE PROPERTY, INTRODUCE MYSELF, SAMANTHA TAYLOR, MY HUSBAND AND I ARE LIFELONG RESIDENTS, LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO, AND ORGANIC RECYCLING BUSINESS, AND CLEARING AND DISASTER RELIEF, AND HAVE SOME HEAVIER WEIGHTS TRUCKS AT THE PROPERTY, NO DAILY OPERATION, STORAGE OR PARKING FACILITY AT THIS PROPERTY AND WE DO HAVE A LANDSCAPING COMPANY THAT WE ALS HAVE IS A TENANT THAT SHARES TH PROPERTY WITH US, ALSO KNOW OPERATING AT THIS FACILITY, LONG TRUCKS THERE, LAWNMOWERS, THE EMPLOYEES PARKED THEIR CARS DURING THE DAY WHILE THEY ARE WORK, TYPICALLY NO NIGHTS OR WEEKENDS. LOUD NOISE SHOULD BE

COMING FROM THE PROPERTY. >> NO AMAZON DELIVERY.

>> NO, THINK IT'S. NO FULFILLMENT CENTERS. I WANTED T ADDRESS THE NEIGHBORS, I AM A MOM, I ALSO LIVE IN A VERY RURAL AREA OF THE COUNTY AND THEY ARE SOLE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, WE ARE NOT INVESTORS AND NOT OUTSIDE PEOPLE COMING I TRYING TO BUILD WAREHOUSE IS. UNDERSTAND THERE IS PROBABLY A CONCERN WHEN YOU GOT A LETTER IN THE MAIL, I WISH I COULD ADDRESS THEM AS THE NEIGHBORS, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU GOT A LETTE IN THE MAIL SAYING IS PEOPLE AR TRYING TO COME IN END ZONE THI PARCEL INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, I WOULD'VE HAD THE SAME CONCERNS.

THE REZONING, OPEN RURAL PROPERTY, THE ADJACENT PROPERT NEXT DOOR TECHNICALLY YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RUN A BUSINESS THAT WAY, THERE ARE PEOPLE THA DO, AND RUNNING THE AUTOBODY MECHANIC SHOP OUT THERE, AND IT'S NOT THE WAY YOU'RE SUPPOSE TO DO BUSINESS. WE ARE TRYING TO DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY AND GET IT PROPERLY ZONED SO WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COUNTY AND WE PAY HIGHER TAXES BECAUSE OF THIS, THERE ARE BIGGER HOOP WE HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH TO MAKE SURE IT IS A COMPATIBLE PROPERT FOR THE AREA, SO WE ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND BE GOOD CITIZENS AND SMALL BUSINES OWNERS, WE DON'T WANT TO COME I AND BUILD BIG BUILDINGS AND WAREHOUSES ON THE OPEN RURAL PROPERTY, AND ACCESS IT WITH THE EXISTING PROPERTY AND TIE IT TOGETHER SO THAT WE HAVE MOR STORAGE FOR OUR EQUIPMENT AND CONTINUE TO RUN A GOOD HONEST SMALL BUSINESS HERE IN THE

COUNTY. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? EAGER THINK IT IS ONE THING TO HAVE THE INTENT NEVER TO CONSTRUCT, BUT IT MEANS MORE TO ME THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO PUT IT AS AN NEIGHBORS, EVERYTHING ELSE. LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3. WELCOME.

>> HELLO EVERYONE. THERE WE GO. HOW IS IT GOING, I AM

LOCAL TO MY. >> NAME AND INDUSTRY

>> JOSEPH LOGAN, -- I KNOW YOU MEMBER HOW IT WAS BACK THEN, THERE IS NO WAY WE WOULD OPEN THROUGH THERE, IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROVISIONS PUT IN THEIR WERE DONE BACK WHE I GP WAS NOT THERE, THAT'S WH IT WAS SET UP, I GET WHAT

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INSTEAD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU SIR. COME ON DOWN

WHICH EVERYONE. WELCOME. >> WILLIAM ROSSIGNOL, TO THRE BIG OAK ROAD, A BUILDING CONTRACTOR, 30 RESIDENT -- 30 RESIDENT, ALL THE NEIGHBORS, WITHIN THEIR, 30 AND 35 YEARS OF NOTE, I MET A YOUNG MAN 22, AND I SAID WHO IS THAT I SHOOK HIS HAND AND HE SAID I KNOW YOU WHEN HE WAS 16 HE GOT A DRIVER LICENSE AND DISAPPEARED AND NOW HE'S BACK , A GRANDCHILD AND GREAT GRANDCHILD, THE RIDE BICYCLES UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.

THE COUNTY ROAD ENDS AT THE POWER LINE, I CAN'T POINT TO ON THE MAP BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO GO DOWN THE ROAD AND SNEAK AROUND AND COME THROUGH THE SWAMPS, IS NOT A WETLAND, THROUGH THE SWAMP, TO AXIS AND PUT IN INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE THERE. OF THE BUILDING CONTRACTOR, I KNOW WHAT THE TERM INDUSTRIAL MEANS. THIS IS MY HOMESTEAD, IT IS CHRIS'S HOMESTEAD, HE'S BEEN THERE 35 YEARS, IT'S OUR HOMESTEAD, IS OUR SANCTUARY. WE WORKED OUR WHOLE LIFE, I'M 73 OKAY, I WORKED MY WHOLE LIFE TO PAY FOR THIS. I DON'T NEED THIS VIOLATION, I'M NOT HERE TO ASK THE COUNTY FOR FAVOR, BUT ASKING TO GRANT AN EXCEPTION, I'M ASKING THEM TO HOLD WHAT I WORKED FOR HARMLESS AND OPEN RURAL GRANTS YOU ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO. I GOT NEIGHBORS THAT GET OUT THERE WITH MACHINE GUNS IN THEIR YARDS AND THAT IS FINE, THIS MORNING I GET UP, I'M AN OLD GUY THAT SITS ON THE PORCH, THIS MORNING AT 6 AM TH TRUCKS WERE COMING OUT OF THEIR LOTS, HEAVY AND LOADED,TENS OF, -- TANDEM. BIG, BETWEEN 6 AM AND 6:30 AM, THERE WAS MAYBE FIVE OF THEM THE GO DOWN THE ROAD, OKAY? AND IN MY PREVIEW -- PREVIOUS STATEMENT, ONE 312 GOES THROUGH YOU HAVE SEEN THA

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>> THANK YOU SIR. >>> I AGREE, RULE SHOULD BE PROTECTED AND THE APPLICATION SHOULD BE DENIED. -- OPEN RURAL. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS? WETLANDS, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY INTELLIGIBLE REPORT ABOUT THE WETLAND IMPACT IT WILL BE SERIOUS AND -- POLLUTING, I DON'T SEE ANY PUBLIC BENEFIT, ABSOLUTELY NONE IT IS OPEN RURAL AND IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED, THESE FOLKS WHO WORKED ALL THEIR LIVES FOR THEI HOMES HAVE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PROBITY FROM OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRIVACY AND NOT TO BE DISRUPTED WITH ALL THE TRUCKS AT 5 AM OR 6 AM. AGAIN, COUNTY STAFF IS ABSENT, THEY'R NOT TALKING, THEY DON'T MAKE PRESENTATIONS, SINCE 2019 WE HAVE NOT HAD THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS AS THE MERITS OF AN APPLICATION. ALL WE HAVE ARE SALES JOBS , THAT'S WRONG, IT' A VIOLATION OF THE DOCTRINE PERHAPS. THE SCHECHTER POULTRY COMPANY, U.S. SUPREME COURT THA YOU CAN'T DELEGATE TO PRIVATE CORPORATIONS OR CARTELS THE WRITING OF LAWS, I THINK THE NEW SUPREME COURT THEY HAVE THE MIGHT AGREE WITH ME, WHY WOULD YOU WANT THAT TO GO THROUGH AN RUIN THESE FOLKS PEACEFUL AND QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THEIR HOMES FOR WHAT THEY HAVE SWEATED AND WORKED, THIS IS THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN PUT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE ANYWHERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, LET'S NOT DO AN OPEN RURAL, AND KATHY BROWN PUT IT BEST, A SNEAKY WA OF GETTING AROUND ZONING, IT

SHOULD BE DENIED, THINK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MR. SLAVEN.

>> GOOD MORNING, 5248 BIG OAK ROAD SOUTH, THE RESIDENT OF ST JOHNS COUNTY SINCE 2004, AND WAS GOING ON, PROBABLY THREE MONTHS AGO, AND $525,000 IN M HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ACROSS THE STREET THEY PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, THE USE THE COMPS, BUT IN THE HOUSE. $500,000 ON A LITTLE CEMENT BUILDING, WITH A TRAILER ON IT. AND USE THOSE AS THE COMPS, AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DISLIKE YOU TO DO THAT AND I SAW WHAT I SAW, BUT I MET SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, AND THEY ARE REALLY GOOD PEOPLE, I MOVED ONTO THE STREET BECAUSE IT WAS A DEAD-EN ROAD, SO I KNEW I WOULDN'T HAVE ANYBODY COMING BACK THERE, MY WIFE IS RETIRING. WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HOME BACK THERE. IF IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKIN YOUR DECISION, WE HAVE A CORPORATE COMPANY AND HAVE THESE FOLKS THAT HAVE BACK YARDS AND LIVE IN MOBILE HOMES. IF THAT'S HOW YOU'RE BASING YOUR DECISION. THAT IS WRONG, HUMAN BEINGS, I SEE IT EVERY DAY. AND AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. AND ZONING IS ALREADY DENIED 3-2, IS INCOMPATIBLE FOR THE SURROUNDIN HOMES. MANY DIFFERENT TIMES IN MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND DRILLS NOT GOING TO HAVE LOUD NOISE, I DIFFER WITH YOU ON

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BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. >>

>> PLEASE, NO DISRUPTION, ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT 101 CREEK WILLOW LANE, I JUST WANTED A LITTLE CLARIFICATION FROM THE PRESENTER ON STORMWATE MANAGEMENT, GOT BRIEFLY TOUCHE OVER, RIGHT IN THE CENTER, AR THEY GOING TO BE PAVING THE ENTIRE AREA. AND THE PURPOSE. THERE ARE SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES AND A LITTLE CLARIFICATION OF THAT. AND THE IMPACT OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT WOULD'VE MADE A DIFFERENCE, IN A CERTAIN TIME, A BIG CONCERN FOR ME IF I LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M NOT AS OPPOSED TO THIS AS I WAS BEFORE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT STORM WATER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> THANK YOU. >> MR. TEAM. WHEN IT WAS DECIDED BEFORE AND AFTER, 2, AND BEEN THERE FOR SEVEN YEARS AND DECIDED ON TO DO TEACHING A YOUNG LADY, SO ANYWAY. IF I GETS SOLD, CHANGING TO THE IW, COULD BE MORE THAN JUST WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING, AND NUMBER 3, I LOVE TO SAY THIS, YOU HAVE HEARD THE FIRST TWO GENTLEMEN ESPECIALLY NEED TO BE COMING TO THIS MEETING MORE OFTEN, COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, WAS PRESENTED BY THE NEIGHBORS AND YOU HEARD IT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DEVELOPER, DOES NOT BE A LAWYER, COMPETENT IS PEOPLE THA LIVE AND KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND HAS BEEN GOING ON IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THERE NEEDS T BE A DENIAL, 5-0 BY THE DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE, MR. DEAN CAN MAKE THE MOTION, I'M NOT TELLING ANYBODY THEIR BUSINESS, BUT ALSO AND RESIDENTIAL USES. AND ALSO, AND THE TIME NOW IS 7 AM UNTIL PM, THE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT LIVES THERE, AND ALL THE STUF GOING ON 6 AM THIS MORNING, THI NEEDS TO BE DENIED , ESPECIALLY BECAUSE CHANGING THE ZONING IS CONCERNING DOWN THE ROAD, WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THE ROAD, IT KEEPS COMING BACK TO US, THANK YOU VERY MUCH

>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM

NUMBER 3? >> BRUCE OVER HIS, 5296 --

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>> THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> BACK TO THE APPLICANT FOR RESPONSE.

>> USE THOSE PLANS, THE COMMENTS, THE APPLICATION REPRESENTING THE PARCEL HERE, PROVIDED THE MASTER PLAN, SO EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND THE BI PICTURE HERE SEEING THAT THERE ARE NO THERE ARE NO IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED ON THE PARCEL. THERE ARE NO WETLANDS ON THE PARCEL, UNLESS THE THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING ONE HERE, THE USE OF THE EXISTING SHOP, THERE WON'T BE ANY PAVIN ON THE PARCEL. GENERATED IN TH ADDITIONAL RUNOFF. AGAIN THE COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION THERE.

AND CONDITIONS AS DISCUSSED. WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE RESTRICTIONS OF NO BUILDING HERE, AND THE OPERATING HOURS, I THINK YOU HEARD ONE APPLICANT SAYING IT WAS PEACEFUL AND THE OTHER ONE SAID IT WAS NOISY. I WASN'T THERE THIS MORNING AND I CAN'T VOUCH FOR THE 6 AM TRUCK OR WHAT THE SOURCE OF THE TRUCK WAS, BUT I THINK THE TAILORS ARE HERE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

WITH THE OPERATING HOURS -- >> --

>> MATT WAS SAYING HE WAS GOING TO HAVE ME ADDRESS THE OPERATIN HOURS, IF THERE WAS VEHICLE NOISE AT 6 AM THIS MORNING, THA

IS NOT TYPICAL. >> NO DISRUPTION PLEASE. OUR START TIME SHOULD BE 7 AM, IF EMPLOYEES GET THERE EARLY AND LEAVE THE ORDERLY, I HATE TO FAULT SOMEONE FOR BEING EARLY T WORK WITH THE REALITY IS THIS PARCEL HAS BEEN HERE FOR SEVEN YEARS WITH OUR SAME OPERATION, WE RUN A SMALL BUSINESS, WE AR EMPLOYING LOCAL RESIDENTS, WE WORK FOR DISASTER RELIEF, REZONING THIS PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO ADD ANY MORE VEHICLES

-- >> DIRECT THE COMMENTS TO US.

>> OPERATING HOURS AT THE PARCEL FROM 7 AM UNTIL 6 PM, WHO'S GOING TO ENFORCE THAT, AND AGREEMENT, WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE ANY ADDITIONAL DISTURBANCE TO THE NEIGHBORS.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED ME TO ADDRESS?

>> THE LAST COMPONENT WAS THE REAL ESTATE COMPS, THE PARCEL WAS PURCHASED IN AN ENTITY THE, THE SAME ONE THAT OWNS THE PARCEL NEXT DOOR, I DON'T THIN THE INTENT WAS TO BUILD A HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY. I'M NOT A REA ESTATE EXPERT, I DON'T GET INTO COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS, THIS WA NOT PURCHASED IN A PERSONAL NAME, IT WAS PURCHASED IN THAT NAME.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> BACK TO THE BOARD FOR

COMMENTS AND CONCERNS. >> I HAVE A QUESTION, IS THIS AIRPORT OVERLAY, WHAT DOES THA MEAN, I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS YET .

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IS GETTING A OPINION. >> WOULD YOU MIND. AND WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT, ASSIGNED TO THE APPLICATION, BASICALLY MEANS THE AIRPORT COMMISSION HAVE AC AND RECOMMENDING THE PROJECT TO BE APPROVED, FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE I PUT IN TH STAFF REPORT THAT THEY HAD NO OBJECTION TO THE PROJECT, MEANING THAT THEY STATED THEY HAD THAT RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL, STIPULATION ON HEIGHT AND BASED ON THE TONE OF HOW THE PLANS WERE LEFT OFF. PUTTING SOME LIMITATIONS

ON THAT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> REAL QUICK, DOES THE AIRPOR HAVE ANY PLANS FOR THAT AREA? MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT DOING A PARALLEL RUNWAY.

>> I BELIEVE IT PCA ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION DID TALK TO ME BRIEFLY ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT HE BASICALLY SAID THE EXACT SAME THING, THE DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO TH PROJECT, DIDN'T SAY THAT IT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MASTER

PLAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> NO PROBLEM. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> WELL, FOR ME, DISTRICT 5, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE. I FEEL THERE ARE VERY GOOD POINTS HAVE BEEN MADE ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. WE HAVE TH PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF THE LANDOWNER BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHTS OF THE SPEAKERS , THE RESIDENCE HAVE A RIGHT TO QUIE ENJOYMENT OF THEIR HOME. HOW D YOU DEFINE THOSE IN BALANCE THAT, THAT IS THE TOUGH QUESTION. AND THIS PARTICULAR ONE, I GUESS I'VE HAD A RATHER VOLATILE AND ACERBIC DEBATE WITH MYSELF OVER THE LAST FOR FIVE DAYS SINCE I GOT BRIEFED O THIS, I GO BACK AND FORTH.

HAVING SAID ALL THAT, THE REASO I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHEN THE CONDITIONS WERE ADDED, EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER THE PCA HAD THEY BASED THE DECISION, TO DENY 3-2, INCLUDING THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE THEN, IF THEY WERE ALREAD THERE, I GIVE A LOT OF WEIGHT TO THEM IN MY DECISION, AND I WOULD PROBABLY MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE NO BUT IN THIS CASE I THIN THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN THE EXTRA STEPS TO TRY AS BEST THE CAN TO ADDRESS THE RIGTS OF THESE HOMEOWNERS, WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. THAT IS SORT OF WHERE I ENDED UP. I WILL MAK A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROJECT BUT I WANTED TO TRY TO EXPLAIN WHY, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY A TOUGH ONE FOR ME AND I WAS GOIN BACK AND FORTH ALL WEEKEND. THA SAID, I MOVED TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2023 -43 APPROVING 06, BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> I WILL SECOND. >> MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ALAIMO GOOD MORNING, THE APPLICATION IS PRESENTED TO YOU AS REZONING T IW IN ORDER TO INCORPORATE THE CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS DISCUSSED TODAY WE WOULD NEED TO CHANGE THAT TO A REZONING WITH CONDITIONS AND THEN IDENTIFY WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE AND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THEM.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN, DO YOU MIND SPILLING THOSE OUT?

>> THE PRIMARY CONDITION I THOUGHT WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WAIVE THEIR RIGHT -- I WASN'T SURE WHAT ELSE THERE IS

QUICK >> THE LIVE LOCAL ACT WAIVER, THE FENCING ALONG BIG OAK ROAD SOUTH, WITH ADDITIONAL VEGETATION, REMOVING THE DRIVEWAY TO BIG OAK ROAD SOUTH TO ELIMINATE AXES, HOURS OF OPERATION FROM 7 AM UNTIL 6 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, AND NO NEW BUILDINGS.

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>> I WILL INCORPORATE ALL OF THOSE AMENDMENTS IN MY MOTION AND HAVING MOVED TO APPROVED ALREADY. WITH THE ADDITIONAL

CONDITIONS. >> AMENDED MOTION.

>> A SECOND QUICK >> I WILL SECOND THAT, I STRUGGLED WITH THIS ONE AS WELL I WANT THIS DAY, BUT HEARING THE APPLICANT, I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY

[4. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2023-09 Katepally Community Commercial PUD..]

AND HAVE THE RIGHT IS. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHE DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES 5-0. THAT WILL TAKE US TO ITEM NUMBER 4. BUT BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, LET'S DO THE EX PARTE DISCLOSURES. COMMISSIONE ALAIMO QUICK

>> I HAD A MEETING ON MONDAY SEPTEMBER 18 AT 1:00 WITH JAMES WHITE HOUSE AND STAFF TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN QUICK >> MONDAY, SEPTEMBR 18 AT 1:30 PM I MET WITH JAMES WHITEHOUSE AND THE STAFF TO DISCUSS THE

COMMERCIAL PUD. >> I ALSO MET YESTERDAY, AT 12:30 PM WITH JAMES WHITE HOUS AND STAFF TO DISCUSS HOW ESSENTIALLY THIS IS A SAFER WAY OF EGRESS AND INGRESS FROM THI

PROPERTY. >> A MEETING WITH JAMES WHITE HOUSE, 11 AM, WE DISCUSSED THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AS WELL.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH QUICK >> I ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH MR. WHITE HOUSE, SEPTEMBER 14, 11 AM. THANK YOU.

>> MR. WHITE HOUSE, THE FLOOR I YOURS.

>> 104 MAIN STREET IN FLORIDA I AM A BOARD CERTIFIED EXPERT I LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW. I AM HER ON BEHALF OF THE FAMILY FOR 2023-09, THIS EGRESS IS TO MODIFY THIS THAT YOU APPROVED ABOUT A YEAR AND HALF AGO. FOR RECOMMENDED INTERCONNECTIVITY FOR COMMERCIAL USES, THE LOCATION OF THE PUD IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE PARKWAY TO 10, AND 16 A AS YOU CAN SEE I HIGHLIGHTED ON THIS MAP HERE. AGAIN THIS IS A COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL NODE. THE OUTLINE PARCEL IS THIS PARCEL, THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL PARCEL TO THE WEST IS THE ONE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. AND AND DECIDE BEFORE YOU, AND THE PROPERTY, TO THE WEST, THE WORKING GRAND CREEK, BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION A REQUEST TO APPROVE, AND THE COMMERCIAL PUD, AND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THE COMMITTEE PARCELS, COMING THROUGH THE PARKWAY. TO THE EAST OF THAT PUD. THE PROPOSED MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE RIGHT HAND OF THE SCREEN, AND THE BOAT, THE ONL PIECE THAT IS ADDED, INTERCONNECTIVITY WITH THE PROPOSED SERVICE STATION THAT'S GOING TO BE OVER ON THE CORNER. REALLY THE REASON FOR THE INTERCONNECTIVITY IS BECAUSE THE PARCEL IS TOO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION HERE WERE THE EXPRESSWAYS GOING TO COME THROUGH. AS YOU SEE FROM THE TEXT, AS WELL AS STAFF REPORTER -- STAFF REPORT AND REPORT ON THE SCREEN, AS REQUESTED BY ST JOHNS COUNTY WIDENING, AND PRESERVE THIS AS INDICATED ON THE PACKETS. AND THE ZONING REVIEW THIS, AND ENCOURAGING THE INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THESE DEVELOPMENTS, MOST IMPORTANTLY, AND THE WAIVER T ALLOW THE THIRD AXIS POINT, MEETING THE STANDARDS, FOR THE AUXILIARY LANES, SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE REPORT THE STATE THE NEW DRIVEWAY EDITION WILL HELP

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CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING, THEN THE SURVEY AGAINST THIS BECAUSE IT IS PROBABLY NEEDED BUT I WANT TO ASK, I THINK IT WAS PART OF TH APPROVAL OF THE SMALL PIECE NEX TO IT.

>> I DON'T THINK YOU WERE, >> THERE HASN'T BEEN AN

APPROVAL SINCE QUICK >> I THINK YOU WERE HERE FOR TH APPROVAL ON THIS, PUD, SO THIS WAS APPROVED AND YOU WERE HERE

FOR THAT. >> RIGHT, I THINK I APPROVED IT BECAUSE IT WAS NEXT TO -- IT WASN'T GOING TO BE CLEAR-CUT, NEXT TO TREES, IF IT WAS IN TH BACK OF YOUR HEAD THAT YOU WOUL

HAVE THE ROAD QUICK >> KNOW THE OWNERS OF THE PIECE OF THE CORNER APPROACHED MY CLIENT, BECAUSE THEY WENT TO TH COUNTY WITH THEM TO TALK ABOUT THAT ON THE CORNER, THE COUNTY SAID YOU KIND OF NEED TO AXIS THIS WOULD TOO CLOSE THE INTERSECTION ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO THEY HAVE APPROACHED THAT,

AND THE APPLICATION, >> ASKING IN THE MEETING WITH YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO CLEAR THE BUFFER KEEP THE BUFFER QUICK

>> I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT. I THINK IT WAS RIGHT THERE, CONTINUED PRESERVATION OF THE SCENIC EDGE AROUND HERE, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY RESERVATION, HE EXPANDS THE ROAD THERE. WE HAVE TO RESERVE THAT FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY CASE, IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE IN THE NATURAL STATE DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS AREA, AND THE NATURAL STATE EVEN IF THEY EXPAND HERE AREA IN THE AREA. IN THE WETLANDS, YES-MAN.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

SEEING DONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> IN MY DISTRICT. MOVING TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2023-44. MAJO

[5. Public Hearing * VACROA 2023-02 - Moody Family Unopened Alley Vacation -Public Hearing to vacate an unopened ROW.]

>> I SECOND. >> EMOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE -- A MOTION AND A SECOND. I

PASSES 5-0. >>> THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBE

5. MR. WHITE HOUSE? >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, JAMES WHITE HOUSE, ST. JOHN'S LAW GROUP, I'M HERE BEFORE YOU ON THIS PROPOSED VACATION, TH OPEN ALI, FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL AND THE OPEN ALLEY, A PORTION OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, OWENS AVENUE 300 FEET TO THE SOUTH AND BASED ON IT, NO PARTY WILL BE UNREASONABLY AFFECTED BY THE REQUEST, REAL QUICK THE LOCATIO OF THIS , THE 206 BRANCH DOWN ON THE BOTTOM PART OF THIS PORTION, LITTLE BIT NORTH OF THAT, YOU CAN SEE THE CHURCH I HERE CROSS THE STREET, AND AS I

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WE REQUESTED THIS VACATION, THE STAFF HAVE NO OBJECTION, O THE REQUESTED VACATION AND NO CALLS OR RESPONSES TO THE REQUIRED PROPERTY NOTIFICATIONS SO THEREFORE IN CONCLUSION WE ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS VACATION WITH THE SUGGESTION MOTION. I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> DOES THE COUNTY GET THE OTHE

HALF? >> LET ME GO BACK. I THINK I HAVE IT HERE. THIS SURVEY HAD TO BE SUBMITTED WITH THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION FOR THE VACATION, FOR THE PASSAGE OF THIS, THIS I THE AREA HERE THAT WILL BE VACATED, THIS AREA DOWN HERE, THAT SHE CAN SEE IS EVEN BETTER THIS AREA DOWN HERE, THIS IS ALL UNOPENED, THE OTHER WAY HERE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE CUT YO NOTES A DIRT ROAD, AND ACCESS, IT IS CONSIDERED A RIGHT-OF-WAY OR WHATEVER, WE ARE JUST VACATING THE NORTHERN SECTION O THE ROAD HERE, DOES IT SAY WER THE COUNTY GETS TO KEEP IT, THE STILL ON THIS PORTION DOWN HER PENDING THE PROPERTY OWNERS DONE HERE, LIKE I SAID IT IS DENSELY VEGETATED, ALL THE UTILITIES SAID THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE, AND THE STAFF IN THE STAFF REPORT SAYS ALL THE PROPERTIES ALL HAVE ACCESS FRO THE ROADWAYS THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING.

>> THEIR PROPERTIES THERE TOO. >> YES MA'AM. THE WAIVERS ARE IN YOUR PACKET BUT THIS ONE IS I THINK AT&T OR BELLSOUTH THAT OWNS IT, THEY CLEARLY HAD NO PROBLEM, THEY HAD TOLD MY CLIENTS THAT THEY COULD USE THE PROPERTY, BUT IT DOES NOT OWN

-- IT'S OWNED BY THE COUNTY. >> IF THERE IS NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. SEEING DONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> TO HAVE A MOTION? >> THANK YOU, DISTRICT 3, I WILL OFFER A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023-359. APPROVIN 02, MOODY FAMILY UNOPENED TH ALLEY VACATION, OSCEOLA AVENUE

[Public Comment ( Part 1 of 2 )]

>> SECONDARY >> MOTIONED BY COMMISSIONER ALAIMO, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONE DEAN, PLEASE VOTE . IT PASSES 5-0, CONGRATULATIONS MR. WHITE HOUSE, GREAT TO SEE YOU AS ALWAYS. MOVING TO NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT, FROM 11:23 AM AND 1153 AND A SHORT BREAK FOR LUNCH AND COME BACK AND HEAR TH REST OF THE AGENDA, LONG PRESENTATION ITEMS,

>> NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT, ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAM AND ADDRESS, EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER, AND NOT FOR ANY IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FOR THE BOARD, NO PERSONAL OR PERTINEN AND SLANDEROUS REMARKS, AND I IN THE OVERHEAD MATERIAL, PLEASE GIVE THAT TO BE AGENDA PUBLIC RECORD, WELCOME.

>> AND 4036 WHITE PINE LANE, THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH A LOT OF THE COMMISSIONERS, AND WORK WITH SO MANY ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, I'VE NEVER HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE

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YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. GOOD MORNING.

>> ON HARBOR VISTA CIRCLE, SAINT AUGUSTINE, I AM HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF AND COMMUNITY ADVOCATES FOR RACIAL EQUITY. AS WE HAVE EXPLAINED BEFORE, AND THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION EVER, YOU NOT SEE THE MEETING AT THIS SEMESTER BU I'M ON A LATER FLIGHT TODAY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MAKING HOUSING ATTAINABLE FOR ST. JOHN'S, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE ASKED THE STAFF FOR INFORMATION REGARDING THE LIVE LOCAL ACT IN A PRESENTATION, I THINK IT IS THE NEXT AGENDA ITE IN THE MEETING, IT PROVIDES FOR SIGNIFICANT FUNDING THEY CAN B USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PURPOSES AND REPRESENTS REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ST. JOHNS COUNT TO DO WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS. INCREASINGLY STRUGGLING TO AFFORD TO LIVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WE CONTINUE T BELIEVE WE MUST CONTINUE A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE TOOLS AND HOUSING.

THAT'S A DISCUSSION TO BE RENEWED ANOTHER DAY. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE INVENTORY O LAND AVAILABLE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WILL BE PRESENTED LATER IS NOT CHANGED MUCH OVER SEVERAL YEARS. WHY IS THAT? WE BELIEVE ONE BIG REASON IS THE HIGH IMPACT FEES AND INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS THE COUNTY TAKE IT VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FO DEVELOPERS TO MAKE HOUSING AFFORDABLE FOR AN EVER-GROWING NUMBER OF COUNTY RESIDENTS. IF YOU WANT MORE ATTAINABLE HOUSING, THE COUNTY MUST SUBSIDIZE THE HIGH COST PROVIDING ROADS AND WATER AND SEWER TO PROPERTIES IN INVENTOR FOR THOSE DEVELOPERS WORKING I THE HOUSING SPACE, IS NOT GETTING ANY BETTER. AND REPORTING THE EXPENDITURE, APPROPRIATIONS, PROVIDING INFRASTRUCTURE, AND LAW-ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND AS LONG AS YOU EXPLAIN THE NEE FOR POLICY TO THEM, TWO OTHER SPECIFIC EXPENDITURES AND HOUSING COUNSELORS, AND LIVE LOCAL ACT, AND PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT FUNDING, FOR THOSE PURPOSES, AND USING THIS WITH THE FUNDING, ELECTED OFFICIALS THE HOUSING AUTHORITIES, AND OTHER TOOLS THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE AT YOUR DISPOSAL. HIRING MORE HUD COUNSELORS AND ESTABLISHING DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AS WELL AS ASSISTIN DEVELOPERS WITH INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, AND THEY ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS , PLEASE ACT NOW.

>> I AGREE, IT'S LEAVING, WE NEED A NEW PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY AND YOU ONLY TO PROVE THAT. THE REASON WAS GIVEN WHE YOU REJECTED THAT, THE HUD INVESTIGATION PENDING, OF COURS THE COUNTY THROUGH THE ATTORNEY NOT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BUT A HIRELING REFUSED TO CONCILIATE, HUD ASKED ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO CONCILIATE, WERE YOU CONSULTED WITH THE ATTORNEY STIFFED HUD AND SAID WE ARE NOT GOING TO CONCILIATE. ANOTHER GOOD QUESTION, HUNTER SINCLAIR CONRAD COCKE COUNTY DEMONSTRATOR, GONE, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, THANK YOU FOR BLOWING THE WHISTLE, HE RESIGNED ON JUNE 29, 2023. AS

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JOHNS COUNTY, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE STAFF TWO WEEKS AGO TODAY THE QUESTIONS PURSUANT TO THE ACT, I HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY RESPONSES. COMMISSIONER DEAN TARTT SEVERA TIMES TO THE COUNTY STAFF, I ASKED FOR RESPONSES IN WRITING, TO BE CROSS-EXAMINED AT THE HEARING FOR COUNTY BUDGET OFFICIALS AND OTHER OFFICIALS ABOUT THINGS LIKE $786,000 OF EMBEZZLEMENT COVERED UP BY SHERIFF DAVID SURE, WE DIDN'T GET A FULL RECOVERY LIKE HE PROMISED. WHY? WHY IS THE CLER OF COURTS , AFTER WHAT HE ALLEGEDLY DID TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND WHY IS THE CLERK OF COURTS GOING TO SERVE ON THE ADMINISTRATOR. AND SEEMS LIKE AN APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY.

BY THE WAY, I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY COMMISSION GIVES AN OF CREEDS AND CONCERNS FOR WORKING PEOPLE, AND I DID A RECORDS REQUEST YESTERDAY ABOUT THE BUS SHELTER FOR THE COUNTY OPERATOR, THE COUNCIL ON AGING, IT IS VERY HOT OUT, I ASKED THEM FOR RECORDS OF THE COUNTY AND THE COA ON THE AMBIENT AIR TEMPERATURE IN THE BUS SHELTERS AND PLANS, AND AND TOP OF TH TREES AROUND THEM, THEY HAVE NO RECORDS. AND MR. CONRAD,

AT THIS LOCATION. >>

>> THANK YOU MR. SLAVEN. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY, AND TAYLOR, AND AND ALSO PRESIDENT OF THE HLA NEIGHBORHOOD. WHICH IS KENSINGTON. AND A LOT OF RESEARCH, AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL THAT WILL BE ZONE FOUR, I LOVE THE BEACH, ESPECIALLY ST.

AUGUSTINE BEACH BUT THAT WASN'T AN OPTION. WE CHOSE THE AMAZING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE ARE IN AND LOVE, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED A A RECENT SCHOOL BOARD MEETING , ACTUALLY A SCHOOL BOARD WORKSHO THAT WAS ABOUT REZONING AND SURPRISED WHEN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WAS MENTIONED AT THE MEETING. AND THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE AFFECTED, THE NEIGHBORHOOD I'M IN CONSISTS OF LAS COLINAS AND KENSINGTON, A VERY STABLE POPULATION RIGHT NOW, WE ARE BUILT OUT, BECAUSE OF THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPER LOOKING OUT FOR US AT THIS TIME. BUT THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS SAID MANY TIMES THAT WE ARE A HIGH-GROWT DISTRICT AND VERY DIFFICULT TO KEEP UP WITH THE DEMANDS. MY QUESTION TODAY, AND APPROVING THE NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, REGARDING LOOKING AT THE SCHOOLS, AND LOOKING AT ULTIMATELY OUR CHILDREN. THE CURRENT PIPELINE CONSISTS OF EIGHT SCHOOLS, THERE'S NOT A SINGLE MIDDLE SCHOOL IN THE PIPELINE. SLATED FOR CONSTRUCTION. OUR KIDS GO TO VALENCIA ELEMENTARY, K5, AND GOING TO THE BAY MIDDLE SCHOOL AT CAPACITY, AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, MINIS TOOLS HAVE BEEN AND ARE OVER CAPACITY. THE POPULATION GROWTH, AND RECENTL TOLD WE'RE BEING CONSIDERED TO BE REZONED TO SEBASTIAN MIDDLE SCHOOL, SOUTH OF US, IT DOESN' SOLVE THE OVERCROWDING PROBLEM, IT JUST SHIFTS IT BECAUSE OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS. AND RAVENS BIRD VILLAGE, SEBASTIAN IS ALSO GOING TO BE OVER CAPACITY, A TERRIBLE TEACHER SHORTAGE. DISCUSSING WHAT TO D WITH THE EXISTING PROPERTY, I

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IT MIGHT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> WE WANT TO HEAR EVERYBODY'S PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> CAN I ASK, THE ONLY QUICK QUESTION, A COOL IDEA, BUT YOUR KIDS RIGHT NOW, ARE THEY BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE SCHOOL THERE I AND TRANSFER TO ANOTHER SCHOOL? IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD?

>> YES. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON, IT WAS PRESENTED THA OUR KIDS STARTING NEXT YEAR WOULD BE REZONED FROM GOING FROM WHERE THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEE GOING FOR OVER 15 AND 20 YEARS, GOING TUBA CITY AND NOW GOING SOUTH TO SEBASTIAN -- GOING TO BACETTI . IT'S NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE, 10 MILES, THERE'S LOT OF CROWDING, BUT MOVING THE KIDS, THAT'S GOING TO BE AS

CROWDED AS WELL. THANK YOU. >> SHERRY BADGER SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE, AND BEEN OBSERVING A LOT AND BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION, WHEN PEOPLE GET UP HERE YOU ALL WILL SAY THAT NOT MY DISTRICT, THAT'S NOT MY DISTRICT, THAT YOUR DISTRICT, WHAT ABOUT THE WHOLE ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT VOTES EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU IN HERE AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER? IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WANTED TO GET TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT A PLAY, IT IS ALL OF YOUR COMMUNITY, YOU ARE PAID B ALL TAXPAYER DOLLARS, AND ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS ALSO SEEM TO THINK IT IS FEDERAL MONEY, BUT IT IS STILL TAXPAYERS MONEY THAT YOU PUT INTO THESE PROJECTS. AND THE NEED, YOU SA WE WILL APPROVE IT IF IT IS WORKFORCE HOUSING, WERE IS THE WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT IS BEEN IMPROVED SINCE 2019? THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF AND A LOT OF PEOPL ARE GETTING SICK OF BEING BLOWN OFF BY A COUNTY COMMISSION THAT'S NOT A DISTRICT, GOD BLESS AND HAVE A GREAT DAY.

GOOD MORNING. >> MY ADDRESSES OUT FRONT, I' VERY CONCERNED AS I WAS SAYING THE LAST COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING, WE HEARD FROM THE CIT OF ST. PETE AND WE HEARD WHAT SHE SAID, THIS IS GETTING WAY TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT, AS THIS WOMAN JUST STATED IT IS VERY HARD TO GET RESPONSES FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. I BROUGH SEVERAL ISSUES FORWARD AND I CAN'T GET A MEETING. WHEN YOU PRR THE GRANTS THAT ARE COMING IN TO THE STATE AND THE COUNTY IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET ANY INFORMATION BACK. CONCERNED ABOUT THE COVID GRANT MONEY, WHERE IT ISN'T BEING SPENT IN ITEMIZED, I CAN'T GET IT. LAST TIME WE HEARD FROM THE CITY OF SAINT PETE, THIS IS GOING TO SOUND OUT OF CONTEXT NOW BECAUS I DIDN'T GET TO SPEAK AGAIN, WORD IS THE PERSONAL CARBON ALLOWANCE COME IN FOR THE SMART CITIES, THE AGENDA 21, A FEW WAYS, IT WILL BE TRACKED, IF THERE'S NO CARBON THERE WILL BE NO PLANT LIFE, I BELIEVE IT IS THE PLAN, THROUGH POINT-OF-SALE SPECIALTY CREDIT CARDS, FOOD SUCH AS BEEF, POULTRY AND FISH CARRYING A HIGHER CREDIT SCORE, RAW FISH AND VEGETABLES CREATE LOWER SCORE, INSECTS FOR DINNER DESIGNED TO PUSH YOU TO A VEGA DIET, NO ME, PURCHASE MORE CREDITS TO LIVE THE LIFE YOU'RE USED TO, NICOLE SCHWAB STATED SEE IT AS A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS GREAT RESET AND TO USE THE HUGE FLOW OF MONEY , GRANTS, TO USE THE INCREASED LEVERS THAT POLICYMAKERS HAVE IN A WAY THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO CREATE A CHANGE THAT IS NOT INCREMENTAL BUT LOOK BACK AND SAY THIS IS THE MOMENT WHERE WE REALLY STARTED TO POSITION NATURE AT THE CORE OF THE ECONOMY, THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM KNOWS YOUTH WOULD BE EASIEST TO BRAINWASH INTO ACCEPTING THE NE REALITY, AND KEY POINTS ARE ON ENGAGING YOUTH, AND AGAIN I COME BACK TO THE SHIFT IN THE MINDSET, RESTORATION AND VENERATION, CAN WE CONVINCE OURSELVES AS HUMAN, HENCE THEY ARE CONFUSING CHILDREN SCHOOLS ABOUT THEIR IDENTITY AND DISRUPTING THEIR SENSE OF SELF OF THE CORE, TEACHING YOU THE FACTS WHEN THEY HAVE NO OTHER

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>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS TAUGHT TOM INGRAM, 1617 SEND MARKABLE LEVEL -- BOULEVARD.

I HAVE BRIEFED ENCLOSING ON NEW RESIDENTIAL, THERE IS A HUGE NEED FOR HOUSING, THE CENTER FO HOUSING STUDIES INDICATED THAT 3664 HOUSEHOLDS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AS OF THE SPRING WERE COST BURDENED AND LOW INCOME, PAYING MORE THAN 40% OF HOUSEHOLD INCOME ON HOUSING. THERE IS PLENTY MORE DATA, STATEWIDE, IN THE STUDY, 39% O LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS ARE HOUS BURDEN, MORE THAN 40% OF THE RENT, IMPACTING SENIORS AND SINGLE-PARENT HOUSEHOLDS. IT IS A REAL ISSUE AND WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT PUBLIC IN A FIT VERSU PRIVATE BENEFIT IN THESE DISCUSSIONS. THERE IS BOTH A PUBLIC AND PRIVATE BENEFIT IN HAVING HOUSING, FOR TEACHERS AND AIDES AND SERVICE WORKERS I RETAIL SALES PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WHO WORK IN ASSISTED LIVING CENTERS. WITHOUT THOSE KINDS O THINGS NO AMOUNT OF BUILDINGS OR ROADS WILL MATTER IN THE END IF WE CAN'T STAFF ASSISTED LIVING CENTERS, IF THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF TEACHERS IN THESE BEAUTIFUL SCHOOL BUILDINGS, THEY BUILT OVER THE LAST SEVERA YEARS. SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT. THERE'S A TON OF FOCUS O TRAFFIC IN SCHOOLS, THERE IS N VOICE, WHAT ABOUT THE NEED FOR HOUSING, THERE IS CERTAINLY TH DEMAND, WHO WILL GET THAT, IF THERE IS A SHORTFALL, THE PERSON WITH THE BIGGEST WALLET WILL GET IT, IS THAT THE FUTUR THAT WE WANT FOR OUR COUNTY? S FAR THIS YEAR HAVE PREVIEWED 79 MULTIFAMILY UNITS FOR REZONING AND APPROVE ZERO. NONE OF THEM PASSED MUSTER FOR COMPATIBILITY OR TRAFFIC, THOSE ARE REAL PEOPLE THAT WOULD GO IN THERE, THAT'S IN ABOUT 250 UNITS, OVER 200 MILLION INVESTMENT AND HOUSING FOR THE COUNTY. SO A COUPLE THINGS I SUGGEST, ONE IS PLEASE BRING THE STAFF BACK INT A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT AN APPLICATION SHOULD BE APPROVED OR DENIED, STAFF WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, GIVING IT EXCEPT UNDER DURESS, THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE THEREFORE. SO IF THERE IS A QUESTION WERE STAFF SAYS I CAN'T REALLY ADVISE YOU AS TO WHETHER THE STANDARD IS MET, HOW DO YOU FEEL? THAT STANDARD THAN SHOULD BE ABANDONED. IT IS NOT A STANDAR ALL IF NOBODY CAN TELL YOU WHA IT MEANS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> HEY THERE? >> HELLO, 1356 ROBERTS ROAD ST. JOHN'S, IS NOW THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ADDRESS ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT WERE CONSENTED TO? ONE IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? BIGGER WE HAVE HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WHEN IT WAS BEING APPROVED, THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ITEMS BEFORE WE GET TO TH

REGULAR AGENDA. >> WHAT I WILL TALK ABOUT THEN IS THE AMOUNT OF PORTABLES, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE AWARE THAT WE ARE PROBABLY AT 500 PORTABLES OVER 100 OF THOSE, THE CAPACITY OF THE SCHOOLS IS VERY CONCERNING,

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE OR NOT AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT? -- FOR

NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WAS CITY, SAINT AUGUSTINE,

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VERY MUCH, ENJOY YOUR LUNCH. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NONE, WE WILL

[6. Public Hearing * Approval of the 2023 Inventory List of Land Available for Affordable Housing in St. Johns County, Florida, and available affordable housing strategies through the Live Local Act.]

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER. SHAWNA NOVAK. DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR FOR HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. THIS WILL BE A JOINT PRESENTATION TODAY WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND OFFICE OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. SO, WE WILL START WITH AN OVERVIEW. THERE ARE FOUR PIECES OF THE ACT THAT WE WILL BE COVERING TODAY. JUST AS A REFRESHER, WE WERE BEFORE YOU IN APRIL. CHRISTIE, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, DID A BRIEF OVERVIEW. THE LIVE LOCAL ACT IS IN SENATE BILL 102. THE EFFECTIVE DATE WAS JULY 1ST AND IT SUNSETS IN 2033. IT IS A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH WITH AN INTENT TO CREATE HEALTH AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT ALLOW WORKERS TO LIVE WHERE THEY WORK. IT PROVIDES PREEMPTIVE LAND USE POLICY FOR DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE FLORIDA STATUTE AND INVEST A TOTAL OF $811 MILLION IN MULTIPLE INITIATIVES TO EXPAND THE AVAILABILITY TO HOUSING, DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE GRANTS AND TAX EXEMPTION BENEFITS. ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WE ARE HERE TODAY -- THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN REFERENCE TO THE LIST OF COUNTY OWNED PROPERTIES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS ITEM IS PRESENTED AS A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT PURSUANT TO SECTION 1.25379 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES. COUNTIES ARE REQUIRED TO PREPARE AN INVENTORY LIST EVERY THREE YEARS IDENTIFIES ALL THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY AND IS APPROPRIATE FOR USE AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THERE IS A MAP IN THE PRESENTATION , BUT IN THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION, THERE IS AN ACTUAL LIST OF THE PROPERTIES. AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE BOARD IS REQUIRED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO REVIEW INVENTORY LIST AND ADOPT A RESOLUTION, ADOPTING THE FINAL INVENTORY LIST. THESE MAPS SHOW THE LOCKS. THEY ARE CRA LOAN OWNED LOTS AND HRA OWNED LOTS. THIS IS A NEW REQUIREMENT OF THE STATUTE. PREVIOUSLY, THESE LAWS WERE NOT REQUIRED TO BE IN INVENTORY AS OF JULY 1ST, THEY ARE NOW.

THIS IS THE MAP FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY OWNED PROPERLY, MERELY

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AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR

MS. NOVAK? >> I HAVE ONE, HOW DO WE GET THESE HOMES OR PIECES OF PROPERTY TO US IN THE FIRST

PLACE? >> SOME OF THE LOTS WERE GIVEN TO THE COUNTY WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS TO THEM. THE ONES DOWN IN THE ARMSTRONG AREA WERE GIVEN TO THE COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT IS IN THE DATE

DATA RESTRICTIONS. >> ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX.

>> THAT AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. IRVINE VILLA, 4370 COASTAL HIGHWAY. AND I THINK THIS IS WONDERFUL. THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS INVENTORY IS THAT IT IS THE SAME INVENTORY WE HAVE HAD FOR A FEW YEARS AND WHAT WOULD MAKE IT AFFORDABLE IS IF THERE WERE MORE INFRASTRUCTURE HELP. I UNDERSTAND, SOME OF THIS, WE ARE HOPING FOR SOME HELP WITH THE CITY ON. THAT IS GREAT. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MOVE THIS AHEAD SO THAT THESE LOTS MAKE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE -- CAN START TO BE DEVELOPED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T DO ANY OF US ANY GOOD FOR THEM TO SIT THERE YEAR AFTER YEAR THEN WE VOTE THAT THEY ARE AVAILABLE. WE NEED TO MAKE THEM BUILDABLE. AND I THINK PROVIDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE WORKING WITH THE CITY, GETTING THEM TO DO WHAT THEY WILL DO -- AND I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN MORE WORK ON THAT. I WOULD JUST URGE YOU TO SEE IF WE CAN DO THIS. IF WE CAN MOVE THIS AHEAD SO WE DON'T VOTE THE SAME

LOTS NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, IRVINE.

>> ELIZABETH POTTER. THIS EXACTLY GOES ALONG WITH WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. YOU LIVE NEAR WHERE YOU WORK. DOES THAT MEAN YOU WALK TO WORK? DOES THIS MEAN EIGHT 50 MINUTE CITY? THIS DOESN'T MEAN INTELLIGENT BUILDING. AS I WAS SAYING AT THE LAST MEETING, SB 102 IS HOUSING AND EXCITING, THIS ACT IS LIVE LOCAL ACT AND IT IS EXACTLY OPPOSITE. IT DELETES THE AUTHORITY OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO A DOCTOR OR MAINTAIN LAWS, ORDINANCES, RULES OR THE MEASURES THAT WILL HAVE THE EFFECT OF IMPOSING CONTROLS ON RENTS. IT IS TAKING THE POWER OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE SO WE CAN'T COME HERE. DID THE RESIDENTS KNOW, IN ST. PETE AND OTHER CITIES THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS ON THE STREET ? I AM NOTICING MORE HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN U.S. ONE AND KING STREET. IF STATES AND COUNTIES INFLATE OPERANT POVERTY AWAY, WE WON'T HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY. IS THIS WHY THE APARTMENTS ARE GOING UP AFTER CLEARCUTTING EVERY LAST COUNTY? WE REMOVE ALL OF OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS THROUGH INFLATION? ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOW U.S. IGNITE TO TAKE OVER ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THIS IS WHERE THE GRANTS ARE COMING FROM? THIS IS A COMPANY OUT OF D.C. AND IS REBRANDED 50 MINUTE CITIES TO SMART CITIES, WHICH ARE FUNDED BY NGOS FEDERAL MONEY THROUGH PARENTS THROUGH THE STATES AND COUNTIES IN CONJUNCTION WITH MEGACORPORATIONS OF ALBAN WAT DENIES AGAINST THE PEOPLE. HOW ARE GLOBAL PRISONS BEING FUNDED? YOU WENT FUNDED BY TOBIN TAX, THAT IS THE BIG PICTURE. ALL OF THIS IS DONE THROUGH THE BANK FOR INTERNATIONAL SETTLEMENTS, I'M WONDERING WHAT GRANTS HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED BY THIS STATE AND THIS COUNTY. HOW MUCH MONEY AND GRANTS ARE YOU GETTING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU USING? HOW MUCH OF THE BUDGET OF THAT ARE YOU USING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? WHO IS LIVING THERE? ARE THESE ILLEGALS? ARE THEY PROVING WHO THEY ARE? WE'RE IN A RECESSION GOING INTO EIGHT OPPRESSION.

THIS LIVE LOCAL ACT IS FOR THE STATE TO REMOVE POWER TO THE PEOPLE AND GIVE IT TO THE STATE. WHAT IS NEXT? THE STATE GIVES THE POWER TO THE FEDS? THIS IS VERY CONCERNING. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE FORCED TO WALK TO WORK OR LIVE

IN A SURVEILLANCE CITY. >> THANK YOU GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> I THINK THIS IS A GREAT STEP FOR Y'ALL. THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, I THINK TO A LARGE DEGREE, WAS JUST ONE OF A BIG PICTURE IMAGE WITHOUT A LOT OF DETAILS. NOBODY LIKES LOSING LOCAL

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>> THANK YOU, BOB. >> HI THERE. I'M REPRESENTING THE ONE TO MINIUM, WE ARE LARGE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER LOCATED AT 365 NORTH RIDGE ROAD IN ATLANTA GEORGIA. I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SECOND PIECE OF THE AGENDA THAT IS REALLY LOOKING AT THE CONSIDERATION FOR A REAL ESTATE TAX EXEMPTION FOR PURPOSES OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SPECIFICALLY, WHEN SB 102 WAS PASSED, OBVIOUSLY, CURATED ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR GOVERNMENTS TO INVEST IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ONE OF THOSE KEY OPPORTUNITIES WAS THE LOCAL OPTION PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FOR PROPERTIES WILLING TO SET ASIDE UNITS AT 30% TO 60% OF AMI. NOW, WHAT IS CRITICAL ABOUT THAT IS THOSE PROPERTIES ARE SERVING INDIVIDUALS THAT MAKE BETWEEN 37,000 AND $70,000 ANNUALLY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY. WHILE THE LIVE LOCAL ACT CREATED A STATEWIDE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FOR THE MISSING MIDDLE, THIS TYPE OF DESIGNATION DOES NOT EXIST THROUGH SB 102 TODAY.

SPECIFICALLY, PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDER AGREEMENT WITH FLORIDA HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE LONG-TERM REGULATORY AGREEMENTS THAT WE ENTER INTO WITH THE STATE IN ORDER TO KEEP PROJECTS AFFORDABLE FOR A MINIMUM OF 30 YEARS, OR EXEMPTED FROM THAT BENEFIT, AND REALLY, WHERE THE MISSING MIDDLE IS TARGETED IS TO PROMOTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT MAKE BETWEEN 80 TO 100% OF AMI. SO, THE AVERAGE COST OF A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CENTER THE COMMISSION SURROUNDING THIS, IS $525,000 AND TO AFFORD A HOME AT THIS PRICE WITH THE CONVENTIONAL MORTGAGE OF 7.5 INTEREST RATE WITH 20% DOWN, A POTENTIAL OCCUPY WOULD NEED TO HAVE ANIMAL INCOME OF $145,000. AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT IS MISSING -- THAT IS MISSING YOUR LOCAL WORKERS. IT IS MISSING YOUR SERVICE WORKERS. THAT IS MISSING OR TEACHERS. IT IS MISSING OR POLICE OFFICERS.

THERE IS A LARGE GROUP THAT IS NOT ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT AS A KEY FOR THEIR HOMEOWNERSHIP AND WHAT WE COME IN AND DO, SPECIFICALLY IN COUNTIES LIKE ST. JOHNS COUNTY, IS DEVELOP PROJECTS THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE AND HELP TO CREATE AN EXTENSION OR A VEHICLE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO GET TO HOMEOWNERSHIP. AND THAT IS WHY VEHICLES LIKE TAX EXEMPTIONS AND ORDINANCES FOCUS ON THE 30 TO 60% OF AMI FOLKS ARE REALLY CRITICAL TO HELP FURTHER ALLEVIATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING

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>> THANK YOU. >> I AM TOM AND GUMS. 1617 ST.

BOULEVARD JACKSONVILLE. THE LIVE LOCAL ACT REALLY TRIES TO ADDRESS TWO THE KEY ISSUES THAT WE ARE FACING. THE AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING AND FLORIDA TODAY. ONE IS ENTITLEMENTS AND TWO IS COST. SO, ONE, THE ENTITLEMENTS.

THERE IS A PROVISION THAT ALLOWS FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, OR MIXED USE TO BE DEVELOPED WITH MULTI FAMILY RENTAL WORKFORCE HOUSING , IF CERTAIN CRITERIA ARE MADE AND IT IS FOCUSED ON THE NEED FOR 100 PERCENT OF AMI. THERE IS STILL SOME LOCAL REGULATION OF THESE UNITS, AS YOU WELL KNOW. I WILL JUST ASK , I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THE NEED AND WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO THE SCHOENBERGER CENTER FOR HOUSING STUDIES IN THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA TO TALK ABOUT THE NEED. WE TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE NEED FOR STOOL SCHOOLS AND THE NEED FOR TEACHERS AND THE NEED FOR FIREFIGHTERS. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR HOUSING TOO. PUT THAT AT THE SAME LEVEL.

SECOND, ON THE COSTS. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF COSTS HERE. THE CHIEF OF WHICH IS CONCURRENCY. SO, RIGHT NOW, THE COUNTY EXEMPTS ALL NONNATIVE NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FROM TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY. AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALL SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY. IT IS JUST AS IMPORTANT IF NOT MORE THAN THE TRAFFIC ISSUE. IF WE CAN'T STAFF THE SCHOOLS WITH TEACHERS AND TEACHERS AIDS, THEN WHAT IS THE POINT? IF WE CAN'T FIND PEOPLE TO FIND OUR HELP OUR UGLY WHO WERE NOT IN ASSISTED LIVING, THEN WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET TO THE HEARING ON A TUESDAY DURING RUSH HOUR? SO, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS AND I JUST ALSO WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ASK YOUR COUNCIL FOR ADVICE WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH THESE LIVE LOCAL CASES. THINGS LIKE ASKING -- I DON'T MEAN TO PICK ANYBODY BUT ASKING IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING, HEY, I AM INCLINED TO VOTE FOR THIS BUT WILL YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHTS UNDER LIVE LOCAL? THAT IS NOT CONSTIPATED THE STATUTE GOES BACK TO THE BOARD OF CONSTITUTION. THE COUNTIES HAVE CERTAIN POWERS. THE STATE HAS CERTAIN POWERS. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. I MEAN, IT IS NOT ALLOWED. AND ALSO, I THINK WE ALL SHARE HERE THE DESIRE FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS A JOB TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN A HOUSE. THERE ARE A FEW THINGS QUITE AS IMPORTANT AS THAT SO, LET'S NOT. AND THEN, FINALLY, I HOPE THAT WE CAN REACH OUT TO THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THERE IS A REAL LEARNING CURVE TO UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU NEED TO BE HERE, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT A ZONING IS, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT A COMMISSIONER IS AND ON AND ON TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS. ONE OF THE BENEFICIARIES DON'T UNDERSTAND IT AND YOU MAY NEED TO REACH

OUT TO THEM. THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. PLEASE NOTE, FOR THE RECORD, ON THIS A ENBERG. I HEARD THE SAME REQUESTS FOR WAIVER COMING FROM OUR DISTINGUISHED CHAIR AT LEAST TWICE IN COUNTY COMMISSION MEETINGS. IT IS ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IMMORAL, AND LET ME QUOTE WHAT I SAID TO TOM MANUAL THE DAY HE WAS INDICTED FOR BRIBERY. DON'T DO THAT AGAIN. WE SHOULD NOT ASK ANY PROPERTY OWNER TO WAIVE THEIR RIGHTS UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT TO HAVE THEIR PROPERTY -- COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL IN MISUSE TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK IT IS REALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL REQUESTS. MR. INGRAM IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT AND Y'ALL COULD GET FOOD ON IT AND I HAVEN'T MET MICHAEL COMPLAINT YET TO HUD ON THE FAIR HOUSING COMPLAINT BUT IF YOU DO IT AGAIN, I MIGHT DO IT ANYWAY. IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE, IF THE TRUMPET GIVETH AND UNCERTAIN TOWN SOUND, WHO SHOULD APPEAR THEMSELVES FOR THE POWER? ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS CREATED A HOSTILE WORKING ENVIRONMENT FOR WORKING PEOPLE, INCLUDING SNOB ZONING, INCLUDING REQUIREMENTS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND, SOMETIMES, PEOPLE COME IN HERE WITH PROPOSALS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEY GET VOTED DOWN. SOMETIMES FOR THE RIGHT REASONS, SOMETIMES FOR THE WRONG REASONS, I THINK YOU HAVE TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO SCHOOL YOU ON THE CASE.

CLEVELAND VERSUS NATURAL LIVING CENTER IN TEXAS, YOU CAN'T MAKE A ZONING DECISION BASED UPON THE CHARACTER OF THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE LIVING THERE, IN THAT CASE, IT WAS GROUP HOMES. I THINK THIS COUNTY COMMISSION HAS REPEATEDLY VIOLATED THE FAIR HOUSING AND I AM VERY PROUD TO

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HOW MANY REALTORS AROUND HERE DO THAT? HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE SEEN BILLBOARDS, SINCE I HAVE LIVED HERE, SHOWING PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE WERE ALL WHITE IN THE BILLBOARD, WHICH VIOLATES THE FAIR HOUSING ACT? WE DO SOME OF OUR GAMING ENCOURAGING THAT COUNTY STAFF TO HELP PEOPLE AND NEVER AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU OR ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER ASK A DEVELOPER OR PROPERTY OWNER OR ANY APPLICANT TO WAIVE THEIR RIGHT UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MR. INGRAM AND THAT MUST STOP. THE COUNTY INSURER NEEDS TO GIVE YOU ADVICE NOW AND IN WRITING AND WE MAYBE NEED TO WRITE A COUNTY ORDINANCE ABOUT NOT BREAKING THE LAW AGAIN. THANK YOU SO

MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MR. FLAVA.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. DORIS TAYLOR. 208. I RESPECTFULLY TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER . MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT RIGHT ARGUMENT BY GOD , NOT GOVERNMENT, SO I DON'T THINK YOU ARE ASKING SOMEONE TO GIVE UP OUR RIGHT , YOU ARE ASKING SOMEBODY TO AGREE TO CERTAIN STIPULATIONS WHEN THEIR PROPERTY. YOU MAY WANT TO PHRASE IT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE IT IS NOT A RIGHT JUST BECAUSE OUR STATE GOVERNMENT MADE A BAD LAW DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO CERTAIN THINGS WITH OUR PROPERTY. SO, THAT IS NOT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, THOUGH. ONE OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS TALKED ABOUT EXEMPTING NEW HOUSING FROM TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD DO THAT WITH ANY HOUSING, BUT IT IS EVEN WORSE IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HIGH-DENSITY HOUSING. AND THAT IS WHAT THIS IS. IT IS A NICE EUPHEMISM TO SAY IT IS AFFORDABLE. THAT TERM IS QUESTIONABLE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND THAT DOESN'T DESCRIBE WHAT IT IS, IT JUST DESCRIBES WHAT THE PRICE IS GOING TO BE. WHAT IT IS IS HIGH-DENSITY HOUSING. I THINK WE ALWAYS NEED TO SAY THAT AND KEEP IT IN MIND BECAUSE THAT MEANS IT IS A WHOLE LOT MORE PEOPLE AND CARS AND CHILDREN AND NEED FOR FIREHOUSES AND MORE STRESS ON THE GOVERNMENT'S RESOURCES. ON THE PEOPLE'S RESOURCES. SO, LET'S CALL IT WHAT IT IS. EVERY TIME YOU SAY AFFORDABLE, PLEASE ALSO SAY HIGH-DENSITY BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT IS. AND THAT IS A HUGE IMPACT ON OUR COUNTY. ALSO, IN THE LANGUAGE FOR THIS ITEM TODAY, BURIED IN THE MIDDLE, IS A COMMENT REGARDS TO TAX EXEMPTIONS . I URGE YOU NOT TO GIVE ANY ADDITIONAL TAX EXEMPTIONS TO BUILDERS . LET'S BE A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE.

LET'S FIND A WAY TO DO THIS WITHOUT RAISING THE PRICES. ON US, ON THE TAXPAYERS OF THE COUNTY, ON THE BUILDERS, SAY, OKAY. ARE WE REQUIRING UNREASONABLE THINGS? OR ARE WE BUILDING HOUSES WHERE THERE IS NO REASONABLE WAY TO BUILD THEM? BUT, LET'S NOT JUST SAY, OKAY. WE WILL GIVE THE BUILDERS EXEMPTIONS AND SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES. CHECK THE BALANCE SHEETS OF THESE BUILDERS. THEY ARE NOT GOING BROKE. THEY LIKE NOTING HIGH-DENSITY HOUSING. IT IS A BETTER DEAL FOR THEM. SO, LET'S BE PRACTICAL AND LOOK AT

THE FACTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX? SEEING NONE, WE

WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> BACK TO YOU, I JUST WANT TO CONSULT WITH OUR ATTORNEY. I ASK YOU BRIEFLY ONE SUMMIT 102 BECAME LAW IN JULY, IT WOULD ASK, AT THE TIME I WAS ADVISED BY EITHER YOU OR MISS VALLEY OR THAT THE MOST NOTABLE DIRECTION FROM THE STATE THAT THERE WAS NO CASE LAW INSTEAD LACE THAT I CANNOT ASK FOR THIS RAVER. HAS A SENSE CHANGE?

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>> THANK YOU. I HAVE SAID FOR SEVERAL BRIEFINGS THAT THE STATEWIDE EXPERTS ON THIS LAW AND NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO ADVISE ME THAT IS NOT SOMETHING I AM AFRAID TO ASK OF AN EPIC AND WAS ASKING FOR COMMERCIAL ZONING . I TAKE ISSUE WITH THE EXERTION THAT I AM VIOLENT PEOPLE'S RIGHTS OR VIOLATING THE ROLE LAW, BUT THERE IS NO REALLY CLEAR WITH THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT IN SB 102. WE ARE JUST TO BE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WHEN SOMEONE COMES FORWARD AND ASK FOR A COMMERCIAL ZONE, AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROVING THAT IS WHAT WE SUPPORT, SO I TAKE ISSUE WITH MR. INGRAM. PUBLIC COMMENTS OVER.

>> MR. INGRAM. >> I GAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS ON

THIS LAST WEEK. >> I HAVE SPOKEN TO AT LEAST HALF A DOZEN SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS WHO HAVE NOT ARRIVED AT THAT CONCLUSION THAT IS SOMEHOW LEGAL TO ASK FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TO BE BUILT WITH COMMERCIAL LAND USE. SO, AGAIN,

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> I KNOW YOU WANT TO KNOW WHICH COMMISSIONERS SUPPORT THAT AND I COMPLETELY SUPPORT

YOU 100%, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU. SO THAT IS ALL. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NO FOR THE CASE CAME FORWARD. THANK YOU, MR. INGRAM, FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM NOT DOING SOMETHING THAT OUR

ATTORNEY -- >>

>> SO, I HAVE A MOTION BEFORE YOU. TO ADOPT THE 2023 LIST

-- >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO?

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I OFFER A MOTION TO ADOPT 2023.

COMMOTION BY COMMISSIONER ALAIMO. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE

VOTE. >>

OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >>

>> ALL RIGHT. I HAD THE NEXT PORTION OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, WHICH IS ABOUT THE LOCAL OPTION PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION, WHICH YOU HEARD BRIEFLY AND PUBLIC COMMENT. THE LIVE LOCAL ACT PROVIDES CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS RELATED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT RELATED TO THE COUNTY . THE ACT CREATED AN AUTHORIZATION FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO OFFER TAX EXEMPTION FOR NEW OR EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS THAT MEET SPECIFIED STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS. KNOWN AS THE LOCAL OPTION PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION. SO, AT LEAST FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENTS TO BE MEETING THIS ELIGIBILITY, THEY NEED TO HAVE 20% OR HAVE 50 UNITS. 20% OF THOSE UNITS MUST BE AFFORDABLE TO HOUSEHOLDS BELOW 60% OF AMI. AND THE TAX EXEMPTION WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THE AFFORDABLE UNITS. IN THIS, A MAXIMUM OF THE EXEMPTIONS, APPLY TO EXISTING AS WELL AS NEW DEVELOPMENTS. SO, ADDITIONALLY, THE AMOUNT THE EXEMPTION ALLOWS IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF AFFORDABILITY. SO, IF YOU HAVE 100% OF AFFORDABILITY IN THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU WOULD BE AVAILABLE 100% UNITS. YOU CAN GET 100% OF THE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION. IF THERE IS LESS THAN 100%, YOU WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO CLAIM 75% OF THAT EXEMPTION. SHOULD THE DOG TO THE COUNTY ADOPT AN ORDINANCE, IT MUST EXPIRE FOR YEARS AFTER THE ADOPTION, HOWEVER, THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO BURY YOU RENEW IT. THE PROCEDURES FOR THE ADOPTION WOULD BE JUST LIKE ANY REGULAR ORDINANCE. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS. IT CANNOT BE ADOPTED UNDER ANY EMERGENCY PROCEDURES AS WELL AS ORDINANCE WOULD NEED TO IDENTIFY THAT ANY PROPERTY OWNER TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THE PROCEEDING WILL BE CERTIFIED BY THE COUNTY AS WELL AS APPLIED TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS OFFICE. THE CERTIFICATION WOULD VERIFY THAT THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AND CONTINUE TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS EACH YEAR. THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROCESSES, REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COUNTY MUST POST AS CERTIFIED ON THE WEBSITE AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND HAVE NO

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>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS OR IS THIS JUST FOR INFORMATION?

>> THROUGH TO COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, THIS WAS BROUGHT BACK TO YOU AT THE LAST MEETING REQUEST OF INFORMATION ON THIS TOPIC . SO, WE ARE STANDING BY FOR DIRECTION.

>> BECAUSE I DID NOT SEE A MOTION IN YOU.

>> THERE IS NOT A REQUIRED MOTION OR CONSENSUS ON THIS

MATTER. >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE STAFF TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND I THINK WE'RE REALLY DEALING WITH AN A FORMING HOUSE OH HOUSING CRISIS HERE AND IT IS VERY CONCERNING BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS HALF STAFF BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE JUST LIKE YOU DID IN CLAY COUNTY FOR TAX EXEMPTION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS . AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IS DISCUSSED. SO, I KNOW CLAY HAS DONE THIS AND IT IS AT 60%

AMI, WAS THAT RIGHT? >> RIGHT. THE STATUE ALLOWED THE COUNTY TO IMPLEMENT 50 UNITS, 20% OF THOSE UNITS MUST BE OFFERED AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE TO THOSE AT OR BELOW 60%

OF INCOME. >> OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER IN YOUR PRESENTATION?

>> NOT ON THIS ITEM. BUT THERE IS MORE ON THE PRESENTATION.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, DIRECTOR. PLEASURE TO BE HERE. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT FIRST ITEM WASN'T ONE THAT NEEDED DIRECT ACTION. THE REMAINING AFTER ME IS. NEEDS DIRECTION YOU CHOOSE TO SO GIVEN TO US.

SO, THANK YOU. THIS COMPONENT IS A DEVELOPMENT OPTION THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED TODAY AND YOU'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR, PRESUMING THEY GIVE THE PRESENTATION EARLIER BACK THIS YEAR. HOWEVER, AT THAT TIME, WE DO NOT KNOW IF ANYONE WAS GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. SO, THAT SAID, THE 40%, BUT AS A PREEMPTION, RIGHT? THAT ALLOWS A DEVELOPER TO GO INTO A PROPERTY THAT IS NONRESIDENTIAL ZONING AND, AT LEAST, PROVIDE 40% OF THOSE UNITS MUST BE AFFORDABLE AND LAST FOR 30 YEARS WITH SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA, DENSITY, AND HEIGHT. BASICALLY, IT ALLOWS THE MAX DENSITY OF WHAT THE MAX DENSITY IS IN THE COUNTY. SO, ON THAT NOTE, WE HAVE RECEIVED INQUIRIES FROM ABOUT 3 TO 4, MAYBE FIVE DEVELOPERS. ONE PRIMARY, APPLICATION, A LOT OF JUST MEETINGS ON LOCATIONS. 207, U.S. ONE SOUTH, ON THIS PREEMPTION . SO, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE DEVELOPED SOME CRITERIA IN OUR MANUAL THAT HAS ALL OF THE APPLICATION SO THAT IS STANDING BY. THAT GOES TO JOY FOR APPROVAL BUT THE ANSWER TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT IS COMING FORWARD PROBABLY WITHIN A MONTH GIVE OR TAKE. SO, THAT SAID, THAT IS A PREEMPTION. YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT. THE OTHER ELEMENT OF THE FILAMENT SIDE OF THINGS ON THE LOCAL IS THE 10% OPTION THAT IS DISCRETIONARY FOR THE BOARD. SHOULD YOU SO CHOOSE, YOU HAVE AN OPTION TO ALLOW AT MINIMUM, IT WOULD BE A 10% THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE AFFORDABLE IN A NONRESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND THE 40% IS THAT YOU CAN PUT IN WHATEVER CRITERIA YOU WANTED ON IT, AS YOU CAN SEE IN MY TARGET. AFFORDABLE ASSURANCES. YOU COULD EVENTUALLY SAY, HEY, WHO WANTS IT IN THESE LOCATIONS. SO, THAT IS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US ANY DIMENSION TO GIVE ANYTHING BACK OR MAYBE NOT. YOU FEEL ALSO THAT YOU WANT TO SEE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE 40%. SO JUST LET US KNOW IF YOU WANT STAFF TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT AND I WILL STAND BY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME. YOU SAID YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION. WE HAVE AN APPLICATION REQUESTING THE 10%?

>> WELL, AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW. WITH ASK THE QUESTION ON WHAT THEY ARE TENDING TO DO. OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS NO DIRECTION FOR THEM THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM ON THE 10% WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD HAS CHOSEN THAT PATH, SO WE'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL IS IF IT IS THE 40% VERSUS 50% OR WHATEVER THEY WILL PROVIDE. SO.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM MR. ROBERTSON?

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS THE LAST TOPIC UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. IT PERTAINS TO THE STRUCTURE GRANTS. IT RELATES TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS YOU HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC INITIALLY ON THIS ITEM. BECAUSE IT IS A

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>> MS. VALLEY A, YOU NEED OUR DIRECTION TO SEE THESE GRANTS? OR ARE WE ALREADY IN PURSUIT OF THE GRANTS?

>> IT WILL BE PART OF YOUR GRANT PROGRAM. SO ANY AUTHORIZATION THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY GIVEN TO STAFF WOULD BE

APPLICABLE. >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS ON THIS TOPIC? COMMISSIONER ALAIMO, YOU WANT TO SEE STAFF BRING BACK A 20% OF THE PROJECT AT 60% OR MORE OF THE AMI OPTION? FOR THE BOARD TO

CONSIDER? >>

>> OKAY. >> DO NEED A MOTION AND A

SECOND? >> THAT IS AVAILABLE BY CONSENSUS AND, WHEN IT COMES BACK TO YOU, IF YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE, THAT IS WHEN THE MOTION WILL BE. SO, A CONSENSUS

IS CONFESSION HERE. >> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO REVIEW THAT OPTION? YES, SIR.

>> WHEN IT COMES BACK, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT AMOUNTS TO THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS BECAUSE WE ARE PLEDGING WITH ZERO IN SOME GAME HERE. WHATEVER WE GRANT THE DEVELOPER IN A TAX BREAK, WE ARE EITHER GOING TO HAVE THE LOWER SERVICES OR INCREASE SOMEONE ELSE'S TAX. THAT IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM HERE FOR ME, SO I THINK I AM A VERY STRONG PROPONENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IF WE GO FORWARD , THIS BEING ONE THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.

>> I THINK THAT YOU ARE READING MY MIND . FUNDING FOR STRUCTURE AND FUNDING SERVICES IS ALWAYS TOP OF MIND. COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH? >> THE TOP OF MY MIND IS IMPACT, IMPACT, IMPACT. AS WE HAVE KNOWN WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT SCHOOL IMPACT, FIRE IMPACT AND THEY WANT NO IMPACT IN HIGHER DENSITY. I AM JUST NOT IN CONSENSUS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

I THINK WE ARE ALREADY DOING THINGS AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE WHAT WE ARE DOING AND TAKING IT TO THE STEPS WE HAVE BEEN

TAKING. >> ALL RIGHT. SO, THERE WILL WON'T BE A MOTION FOR A SECOND AND A BOARD VOTE.

>> CORRECT. >> TO SEE WHAT AN ORDINANCE

MIGHT BE LIKE. >> ALL RIGHT. I WILL GO AHEAD AND OFFER AN MOTION TO BRING BACK AND ORDINANCE MEETING THE CRITERIA UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT FOR THE COUNTY TO OFFER PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FOR THE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING

DEVELOPMENTS. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT IS THE MOTION. WE DO HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. LET'S HEAR

PUBLIC COMMENT . >> OKAY. IT IS TIME TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON COMMISSIONER ALAIMO'S NOTION.

>> COULD WE PLEASE HAVE A REFINED MOTION AND A LITTLE MORE DETAIL? TAX EXEMPTION FOR WHOM? FOR WHAT? IT IS A VERY BIG INSTRUCTION TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GIVE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY UNBRIDLED DISCUSSION TO DRAFT A ORDINANCE BECAUSE THEY MEET WITH DEVELOPERS ALL THE TIME. THE DEVELOPERS DICTATE EVERY SINGLE LINE AND

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POOR FOLKS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MR. SLATER.

>> I ASSUME THAT MOST OF THIS IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT TAX BREAK FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES, NOT FOR HOME OWNERSHIP DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING ELSE AND TAX BREAK IS JUST PART OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MASS. IT BASICALLY IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU CAN NEGOTIATE TO GET THOSE RENTS A LITTLE BIT LOWER. I WILL GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE. THE PROPERTY THAT WE OWN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND RENT OUT , WE GET A TAX BREAK ON THE PROPERTY TAXES. WE STILL PAY SOME OF THE SERVICE FEES AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS. WE OWN PROPERTY, RENTAL PROPERTY IN CLAY COUNTY WHERE WE ALSO GET A TAX BREAK.

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT HERE, WE BASE IT ON VERIFYING THE INCOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE RENT TO YOU AND THAT WE USE THE RENTAL CAP OF WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED BY HUD OR FLORIDA HOUSING OR WHOEVER IT MIGHT BE FINANCING THE PROPERTY. IN CLAY COUNTY, THEY WANT THE RENTAL CAP TO BE BASED ON US PROVIDING ONCE A YEAR, A COPY OF OUR LEASE AND INCOME VERIFICATION FOR THE RENTER AND THAT THE RENTER'S INCOME MUST BE NO MORE THAN -- THE RENTS MUST BE NO MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME.

SO, WE DON'T GET A TAX BREAK IN THAT CASE IF THAT RENTAL INCOME IS 31%. IT IS THAT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT STATUTES ON HOW YOU DEFINE A FORMAL HOUSING, BUT ULTIMATELY, IT SHOULD BE BASED ON INCOME OF THE PERSON WHO IS RENTING AND I AM SORRY, COMMISSIONER DEAN, AS FAR AS THE TAX BREAK AND WAS PAYING FOR SERVICES, GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE START OF IMPACT FEES, DR. MCNICHOLAS NEVER FIGURED OUT HOW TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE NEGATIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT WE DON'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE CLOG UP OUR ROADS, WHEN WE HAVE EMPLOYERS LOSE PEOPLE AND RETRAIN, ALL OF THOSE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE COUCH LIDDED AS PART OF THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT OR LACK OF BENEFIT TO A COMMUNITY AND WE ARE SEEING, NOW, THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE ONE RESTAURANT AND OTHER FOLKS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THEY CANNOT HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO CAN FIND WORK CLOSER TO HOME IN POLITICO, RIVER, OR WHEREVER IT MIGHT BE. WHEN OUSTING I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT, WHEN HE GETS FOLKS UNDER THAT 80 OR 60% AMI, WE HAVE THE BEST SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE STATE AND FOR OUR KIDS I DON'T GO TO

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>>

>> HEY. DORIS TAYLOR. WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER WHO WAS APPOINTED IN DISTRICT 3 WHO DOES NOT LIVE IN DISTRICT 3 THAT IS NOW PROPOSED A MOTION THAT IS FAVORABLE FOR GIVING TAX BREAKS TO DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO BUILD A HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IN THE DISTRICT THAT HE WAS APPOINTED TO WHERE HE DOES NOT LIVE. THANKS, BUT NO THANKS. WE NEED TO ELECT SOMEONE WHO LIVES THERE, FOR ONE THING, AND THEN WE NEED TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE NOW. I AM ALREADY FIGHTING WITH TRAFFIC IN CASE YOU HADN'T HEARD ME BEFORE, AND I SAT THROUGH MULTIPLE RED LIGHTS TAKING 25 MINUTES TO GO FOR MILES TODAY TO GET HERE AND THAT IS COMMON. WE HAVE GOT A BIG PROBLEM NOW. I AM SAYING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE CONCURRENCY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE ADVANTAGES TO BUILDERS TO PUT IN HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IN AN AREA THAT IS ALREADY OVERSTRESSED IS INSANE. THERE IS NO WAY THAT THIS MAKES ANY SENSE AT ALL IF YOU APPLY LOGIC. PLEASE, DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE RESIDENCE THAT LIVE THERE NOW.

>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE,

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WILL YOU COME FORWARD? THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. I WANTED TO KIND OF CLARIFY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS -- SO, THE WAY I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS IS IF I AM A PROPERTY OWNER AND I AM RENTING TO YOU AS AN AFFORDABLE -- BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RENTALS. IF I RENTED TO YOU, THE TAX EXEMPTION WILL GO TOWARDS THE PROPERTY OWNER TO HELP INCENTIVIZE FOR AFFORDABLE

HOUSING, RIGHT? >> THIS APPLIES TO EXISTING. SO WE HAVE SOME EXISTING RELEVANCE AND COMMUNITIES HERE IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY THAT HAVE TO HAVE OVER 50 UNITS, AGAIN, 25% OF THOSE UNITS WOULD HAVE TO BE AFFORDABLE TO THE 60 OR BELOW AMI . THE TAX EXEMPTION WOULD ONLY -- SO IF THERE'S ONLY 20% OF THE UNITS, THEY WILL GET A TAX EXEMPT FOR 20% OF THE UNITS WITHIN AN ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AND THIS GOES TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS SO THOSE ARE FOR THE EXISTING ONES. SO THOSE WHO OWN

THE PROPERTY. >> FILTERS FOR EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS. THIS WOULD NOT BE FOR DEVELOPERS?

>> IT APPLIES TOWARDS EXISTING AND -- OKAY. EXISTING AND --

GO AHEAD. >> THERE ARE 11 COMMITTEES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT TO MEET THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA PROVIDED THERE IS NO CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES, AND I THINK IT IS A TOTAL OF -- IF I REMEMBER THE MATH, ABOUT 1000

UNITS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> MISSION OR JOSEPH. >> I THINK IT IS LOGICAL. IF THE UNITS ARE ALREADY HERE AND THE HOUSE IS ALREADY HERE, I GET THAT. THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE BUT TO GO AND BUILD THEM AND BUILD NEW ONES AND OFFER THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME.

BUT IF YOU HAVE NOTICED, I HAVE BEEN IN THE HOUSING MARKET RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF HEALTH ISSUES WITH MY HUSBAND. THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE STILL ON THE MARKET WHERE WE ARE WATCHING APARTMENTS NOT BEING FILLED NOW. SO, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, OUR REAL ESTATE MARKET GOES DOWN? THE PRICES GO DOWN, THE APARTMENT RENTALS GO DOWN BECAUSE THEY WANT TO FILL THOSE RENTALS AND THOSE HOUSES? SO, IT IS HAPPENING NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE THAT I HAVE BEEN IN IT AND HAVE SEEN WHAT IS GOING ON AND I WANT TO POINT OUT, THAT IS A LOGICAL WAY TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN WITHOUT

BUILDING MORE. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. KEELEY, WITHIN THE LOW LIVE LOCAL ACT, IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE A YEAR TO THE EXISTING TECH ASSUMPTIONS FOR THE EXISTING FOLKS OR DOES IT HAVE

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TO BE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL? >> SO THIS IS A STATUTORY AUTHORIZED EXEMPTION, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE FOLLOWING THAT CRITERIA LAID OUT IN THE STATUTE, WHICH DOES APPLY TO

NEW AND EXISTING. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE FOR US TO REVIEW AND VOTE ON THAT WOULD ALLOW DEVELOPERS WHO WORK FOR 20% OF THE PROJECT HAS A MINIMUM OF 50 UNITS AT 60% OF MI OR LESS A PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION. IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION TO HAVE A ORDINANCE BROUGHT BACK FOR THE OUR REVIEW AND FRANKLY, I AM VOTING YES BECAUSE I WANT MORE INFORMATION. THAT PASS IS HORRIBLE.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN? >> YES, SIR?

>> MASSEY ONE MORE THING? >> YES, SIR.

[7. Hurricanes Ian and Nicole FEMA Category B Emergency Beach Berm update and Contract Award.]

>> I WILL IT WAS 50 YEARS THE SUMMER WENT TO WORK WITH DR.

NICHOLAS. HE WAS A CONSULTANT NOW IS A VERY LOW STATE -- BUT

I REMEMBER HIM WELL. >> YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THAT CONCLUDES ITEM NUMBER SIX. AND WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. DR. GIAMMANCO.

>> JOE GIAMMANCO. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS MIKE WE WILL GO OVER AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE AND THE PROJECT COSTS. SO, FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT THAT GOOD NEWS IS THAT PUBLIC BEACH WAS COMPLETED. IT WAS COMPLETED ON TIME AND UNDER BUDGET SO THAT WAS VERY GOOD NEWS. WE HAD MINIMAL IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY. WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO SPEED IT ALONG, BUT AGAIN, WE DID REALLY WELL. PLANTED ABOUT 150,000 SEAT OAKS AND IT IS DOING WELL RIGHT NOW. SO, THE NEXT SESSION I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IS SELF HUNDRED BEACH AND CHRIST BEACH. BOTH ARE ABOUT 55,000 YARDS OF SAND. THERE ARE TWO SECTIONS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THEN, IN THOSE SECTIONS, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS. SO IN SOUTH HUNTER, AROUND THE EXXON STATION, THERE IS A PROJECT AREA AND IN SOUTH PONTE VEDRA, THERE'S A SMALL SECTION THAT IS GOING TO BE FILLED IN THERE AS WELL. AND IN CRESCENT BEACH, YOU ARE LOOKING RIGHT AROUND THE CRESCENT BEACH PARK AND FROM THE KANSAS RAM, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE RANCH, IT IS THREE MILES NORTH OF THAT. SO, TO GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OF IT, IT IS EXACTLY LIKE THE PROJECT WE JUST COMPLETED. IT IS A PROJECT. WE'RE ANTICIPATING USING THE EXXON STATION FOR ABOUT 30 DAYS IN THAT SITE AREA TO DO THAT PROJECT AND THEN, UTILIZE THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BEACH FOR ABOUT 21 DAYS. AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT 26 DAYS -- NO WORK DURING HOLIDAYS BECAUSE DURING THE CONTRACT, WE ARE TRYING TO FINISH IS BY DECEMBER. SO, NO WORK DURING THE COUNTY HOLIDAYS AS WELL AS DURING THE WORK INSTRUCTION WHERE WE WILL BE EXITING THE AREA AND RESIDENTS WILL BE BLOCKING OFF THE SECTION . WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE MIXING IN WITH CONSTRUCTION. WILL BE UTILIZING TWO ACCESS AREAS IN THE NORTH SECTION OF IT AROUND CRESCENT BEACH PARK, WE WILL BE USING QUESTION BEACH PARK. FOR ONLY ABOUT TWO WEEKS . ABOUT 14 DAYS TO BASICALLY IMMEDIATELY SALVAGE THE PARK WHERE IT IS ELIGIBLE. FOR THE SOUTHERN SECTION, WE ARE GOING TO BE USING THE KANSAS RAMP. WE DID GET A PERMIT FROM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE UTILIZE THAT SECTION. WE DID SEE A PERMIT FROM THE STATE FOR THE FORTUITOUS LOT BUT WE HAVE NOT GOT THAT BACK YET. SO, CURRENTLY, WE ARE GOING TO BE USING THE MATANZAS RAMP FOR ACCESS. 630 TO 7:00. NO INCOMING HOLIDAYS AND ARRIVING WILL BE IMPACTED WHEN WE'RE IN THOSE AREAS WORKING. 14 DAYS IN THE NORTHERN SECTION ABOUT 30 DAYS IN THE SOUTHERN SECTION. SO, THE COST, THE BIDS CAME IN LAST WEEK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF THE LOWER $7 MILLION.

THE PROJECT IS ABOUT $800,000 SO TWO THINGS OF NOTE HERE.

ONE, THIS WAS A PROJECT I TALKED ABOUT AN EXPEDITED PRODUCT THAT I TALKED ABOUT WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE MONEY UP FRONT WITH FEMA. THEY HAVE APPROVED OF THE PUBLIC PROJECT IS AN EXPEDITED PROJECT. HERE IN THE FINAL

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>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR DR. GIAMMANCO? WHY DON'T WE HEAR

PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE -- >> SIR, AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> DR. GIAMMANCO, DO YOU WANT TO DO --

>> I WILL DO THE HONORS, SIR. >> ARE THERE MOTIONS TO ADOPT ITEM 2023? CONSTRUCTION OF THE EMERGENCY BERM POST HURRICANE IAN AND NICOLE, THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER AT THE AMOUNT OF THE SUBMITTED AMOUNT TO EXCEED AND AUTHORIZE $800,000 FOR PROJECT DELIVERY COSTS TO RECOGNIZE THE FEMA GRANT REIMBURSEMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF 6 MILLION $100 MILLION $615 . REIMBURSEMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF 1,030,300 AND 600 THREE DOLLARS AND TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER OF

[8. Public-Private Partnership with SJC Cultural Events, Inc. for Operations and Management of St. Johns County Cultural Events.]

>> ARNOLD . SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 5-0.

THANK YOU AGAIN, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. JAIME LOCKLEAR. GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> THAT AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. JAIME LOCKLEAR AND PURCHASING AND CONTRACTS. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE NEGOTIATED CONTRACT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND SJC CULTURAL EVENTS INC. BASED ON THE DIRECTION PROVIDED FROM THE COUNTY BOARD BACK IN JUNE. ALTHOUGH IT WILL BE MY PRESENTATION, WE ALSO HAVE THEIR CHAIRMAN OF THEIR BOARD, MR. DILLON MONROE WOULD ALSO HAVE SOME SLIDES THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT WHEN HE I AM DONE AND THEN THE BOARD DECISION. SO, TO GET US STARTED. JUST KIND OF A HOW DID WE GET TO HEAR? LAST APRIL IN 2020 WAS THE INCEPTION OF THE BOARD WANTED TO APPOINT AND DEVELOP AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE AMP THEATER AND CONCERT HALL. IN MAY, THAT WAS ESTABLISHED AND BYLAWS ESTABLISHED AND MEMBERS APPOINTED. IN SEPTEMBER, THAT COMMITTEE RESENTED A REPORT OF RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD. IN JANUARY, WE RECEIVED AN UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL FROM SJC CULTURAL EVENTS INC. AND IN APRIL, WE ISSUED THE R.I.P. TO SOLICIT ADDITIONAL PROPOSALS TO RECEIPT OF UNSOLICITED PROPOSALS AND IN JUNE, THE BOARD DIRECTED STAFF TO ENTER NEGOTIATIONS WITH SJC. SO, ALL OF THIS WAS DONE WAS DONE AND BORDER STATUES TUESDAY FIVE -- WE BASICALLY ADVERTISE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT STATUTE.

WE DID A REVIEW OF THE BUSINESS PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED. WE ALSO DID AN ANALYSIS DONE BY AN INDEPENDENT FIRM, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND WE NEGOTIATED A CONTRACT. SO, SJC CULTURAL EVENTS INC. IS THE ENTITY THAT HAS BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH US. THEIR PROPOSED BOARD OF DIRECTORS ARE IN FRONT OF YOU AND THEN, THE PROPOSED MANAGEMENT AND STAFF IS ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THE CURRENT ST. JOHNS COUNTY CULTURAL EVENTS VISION DEPARTMENT STAFF, WHICH WILL TRANSITION OVER TO THEM FOR THIS CONTRACT, EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST. SO, THE MATERIAL PARTS OF THE CONTRACT.

ESSENTIALLY, THERE IS AN ANNUAL FUNDING COMPONENT. THERE IS OPERATIONAL FUNDING OF $800,000, WHICH IS ALL OF THEIR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES , AS WELL AS PR INITIATIVES AND ARTISTS INITIATIVES FOR THEM TO GO OUT AND DO THE THINGS THAT

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THERE IS A FUNDING COMPONENT FOR THE NEXT THREE FISCAL YEARS THAT IS ALREADY BUILT INTO THE CONTRACT THAT WILL BE FOR THE PURPOSES OF COMMERCE INC. THOSE PROJECTS. AND THEN, LASTLY, ON THE FUNDING FRONT IS CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO, CURRENTLY THE CAPITAL PROJECTS IS THE PONTE VEDRA CONCERT HALL RENOVATION. THIS WAS ALREADY A COUNTY PROJECT. THE COUNTY HAS BEEN UNDERWAY TO DO THE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES THAT WILL ESSENTIALLY TRANSFER OVER TO SJCCE THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE AND THAT PROJECT IS THE 9000 -- NONE MILLION DOLLAR PLUS PROJECT THAT YOU SAW ON A PREVIOUS BOARD ITEM. THE OTHER PROPOSE COUNTY CONTRIBUTIONS ARE TRANSFER OF ASSETS. THE ASSET LIST IS A CONCH ATTACHED TO THE CONTRACT. THERE IS ACTUALLY AN ADDITION OF A VEHICLE THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE ASSET THAT WAS OVERLOOKED, WHICH WE WILL ADJUST THAT AND INCLUDE THAT IN THE ASSET LIST THAT WILL BE TRANSFERRED OVER TO THEM. THERE IS I.T. EQUIPMENT, NON-ASSET ICY EQUIPMENT AND ALSO NONOPERATIONAL MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES THAT WILL BE GOING OVER AS TRANSFER. THERE IS ALSO THE ASSIGNMENT OF EXISTING CONTRACTS FOR SERVICES THAT HAPPEN FOR THE STATE CULTURAL EVENTS DEPARTMENT. THOSE CONTRACTS WILL BE ASSIGNED TO SJCCE TO OVERTAKE . THERE IS ALSO THE PERFORMER AGREEMENTS THAT WILL BE ASSIGNED ON CULTURAL EVENTS SIDE. AND THEN, LASTLY, THERE IS A PROPOSED MOTION THAT FACTORS IN ALL OF THESE COMPONENTS. NOTICE APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT, APPROVAL OF THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP OF ALL THE ASSETS, THERE IS THE APPROVAL OF THE FUNDING TRANSFERS EITHER TO ESGROSJCCE OR PURSUANT TO THE CONTRACT AND THEN THERE'S THE ASSIGNMENT OF THE CONTRACT. WE HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL MOTION I KNOW THAT MR. ROME WELL WANTS TO MAKE HIS PRESENTATION FIRST.

>> THANK YOU. WHEN WE HEAR FROM MR. RUMWELL ?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, ADMINISTRATION LEGAL, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN HERE ON THE AUDIENCE AND THOSE HEARING ON TV. ENVISION ST. JOHNS COUNTY NOT AS A NEAR GUARDIAN OF CULTURAL TREASURES, BUT AS THEIR AMPLIFIER. A COUNTY THAT DOESN'T JUST HOUSE HISTORY, BUT BREATHES LIFE INTO EVERY DAY. ST. JOHNS COUNTY CULTURAL EVENTS INC. STANDS AT THE HEART OF THAT VISION. BUT LET'S TRANSLATE THAT INTO MOMENTS. A FEBRUARY EVENING AT FORT MOSAIC HISTORIC STATE PARK. THE AIR, THICK WITH TIMELESS NOTES OF JAZZ AND BLUES. LEGENDS LIKE MAVIS STAPLES, LETTUCE NIGHTS , OFFERING MELODIES THAT ECHO THE SPIRIT OF FREEDOM , CELEBRATING THE LEGACY OF THE FIRST FREE BLACK SETTLEMENT. THIS ISN'T JUST AN EVENT, IT IS A LIVING TESTAMENT TO OUR HERITAGE. THE MUSIC TELLS THE STORIES, STIRS SOULS, AND CONNECTS GENERATIONS. THIS IS OUR MEASURE OF SUCCESS. SJCCE INC. IS MORE OF AN AN ORGANIZATION. IT IS AN EMBODIMENT OF OUR ORGANIZATION, IT BECAME SIGNALING OUR DEDICATION TO ENSURING THAT ST.

JOHNS COUNTY REMAINS AT THE CULTURAL FOREFRONT. TODAY, I INVITE YOU TO ENVISION A FUTURE THAT IS LUMINOUS, PULSATING, AND EVER EVOLVING. COMMUNITY OWNED, LED, AND OPERATED. THE AUTHENTICITY CAN NEVER BE COMPROMISED. LET US EMBRACE

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JOHNS COUNTY STAFF AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNCIL REVIEWS COMPLETED. ST. JOHNS COUNTY DOCUMENT PROCESS COMPLETED. READY FOR THIS TRANSITION. PREPARED FOR THE FUTURE. ST. JOHNS COUNTY CULTURAL EVENTS INC. IS CONTRACTUAL DETAILS ALIGNED WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY STAFF.

PERSONAL AGREEMENTS IN PLACE WITH A 10 ONE TRANSITION GAIT DATE. MUTUALLY AGREED VISION PLAN WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY STAFF. 30 YEAR FINANCIAL PROJECTION. INFORMATION SYSTEMS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY VENDOR TRANSITION PLANS IN PLACE. ECONOMIC IMPACT EXPECTED TO GROW BEYOND THE CURRENT $40 MILLION ANNUAL IMPACT AND I'M GOING TO PUT AN ASTERISK BY THAT NUMBER. THAT IS FROM AN STUDY THAT WAS COMPLETED IN 2014. IMPROVED VENUE MAINTENANCE AND ENHANCED COMMUNITY PROGRAMMING. COMMITTED TO EXCELLENCE, ST.

JOHNS COUNTY CULTURAL EVENT ALLIANCE WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY STAFF , AGILITY TO IMPROVE THE GUEST AND ARTIST EXPERIENCE, AUTHORITY TO BE THE BEST , READY TO TAKE CULTURAL EVENTS THE NEXT LEVEL , PREPARED TO ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR MANAGING AND OPERATING ST. JOHNS COUNTY OWNED ASSETS. I AM ASKING THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A FORMAL AWARD OF THIS MANAGEMENT AND OPERATING CONTRACT THROUGH AN OFFICIAL NOTION THAT WILL ENSURE TRANSITION ON OCTOBER 1, 2023 TO COINCIDE WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY CULTURAL EVENTS FISCAL YEAR. I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THE QUOTE FROM ONE OF MY FAVORITES SINGERS AND IT IS NOT JIMMY BUFFETT. I KNOW Y'ALL THINK I AM IN JIMMY BUFFETT FAN FRANK SINATRA AND HIS QUOTE IS, THE BEST IS YET TO COME. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. RUMWELL.

MS. LUCKIER, ANYTHING ELSE? >> SO, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS , MR. RUMWELL, ARE YOU ELECTED OFFICIAL? I JUST WONDER IF THAT WAS OKAY TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE?

>> YES. I AM AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IN THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE BEACH. THE FORTUNATE THING IS THAT THE EMPATHY IT DOES NOT ENCROACH IN OUR JURISDICTION, SO, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL, CAN SIT ON ANY OTHER PUBLIC OR PRIVATE

BOARDS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION POINTS , CONVERSATION? WHAT WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE YOUR

EMOTION? >> THE BOARD WILL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

>> AMBER THEATER IS NOT RUN BY A CORPORATION. BACK WHEN THE THEATER WAS STARTED, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL TO GIVE A CONTRACT TO AN ORGANIZATION CALLED SIGNATURE FROM PONTEVEDRA, WHICH I HAD EVERYTHING PLANNED AS MUCH AS A CHILD'S BIRTHDAY PARTY. THEY PROVED THAT GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES WORK FOR US AND THEY CAN DO A GOOD JOB AND I APPLAUD THAT. HOWEVER, LOOKING AT THIS LATEST CONTRACT, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIAL ORGANIZATION CONFLICTS . FOR INSTANCE, THE OUTSIDE LAW FIRM FOR THIS NEW ORGANIZATION IS HEADED BY A LAWYER AND THAT FIRM HAS A CONTRACT APPARENTLY FOR ADVERTISING AND THEY HAD THEIR NAME IN PLACE ON THE AMPHITHEATER. AND ARE THERE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH THE NEW ORGANIZATION WHO HAVE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? DO WE NEED TO CONSULT CONSULT WITH THAT CONFLICT OF INTEREST? PATRICK FINANCE, HIS LAW FORM IS THE COUNCIL. HE IS AN ADVERTISING AND ARE THERE OTHER BOARDS OF THE MEMBER THAT ARE SIMPLY CONFLICTED? WILL THE STANDARDS OF GUYS THE APPLY TO THIS NEW ORGANIZATION? ARE THE STANDARDS THE SAME OR LAST OR MORE? WE NEED TO FLESH THIS OUT. PLEASE DON'T APPROVE THIS TODAY. LET'S GET SOME BETTER ADVICE AND LET'S HAVE A FINAL

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ALSO, UNDER BOST OFFERS IS CLAYTON COUNTY, GEORGIA. ST.

JOHNS COUNTY DID NEVER ADVISED ITS EMPLOYEES, APPARENTLY. THERE WERE TOO BUSY DOING OTHER THINGS. NEVER ADVISED THEIR EMPLOYEE THAT THEY HAD -- THAT IS THE LAW.

THAT HAS BEEN THE LAW SINCE 2020 AND OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS NOT DONE THEIR JOB ON THAT. WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE DIVERSITY. I UNDERSTAND THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO NOT HAVE DIVERSITY CONSIDERED IN CONTRACTING. WE HAVE TO. WE HAVE TO DISRESPECT DIVERSITY. I HAVE THE HIGHEST RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE AT THE AMPHITHEATER. THEY'RE GOOD ON CONTROLLING NOISE AND I AM ESPECIALLY GRATIFIED THAT IN 2016, WHEN DONALD DON TRUMP AND RUDOLPH GIULIANI CAME TO THE AMPHITHEATER AND THEY WERE ON STAGE, I CALLED UP HALF AN HOUR BEFORE OR TWO HOURS BEFORE WHATEVER IT WAS AND I SAID, HAVE THEY PAID YET? AND I SAID WE PLEASE GET A WIRE TRANSFER AND IT DIDN'T. NOW, I HAVE CONCERN ABOUT PAYMENTS OF CASH TO ENTERTAINERS AND I TALKED TO THE FOLKS IN THE AMBER THEATER. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT AGAIN BUT PAYING ATTENTION TO 2010 AND OTHER OCCASIONS WHEN WE HAVE HAD SOME HIGH NAME NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED STARS COMING HERE, ARETHA FRANKLIN GOT $100,000 IN CASH TO PERFORM . THAT IS IN HER CONTRACT. SHE IS NO LONGER WITH US BUT THEY TELL ME THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT AGAIN BUT WE NEED TO TOUGHEN THIS CONTRACT EMPHASIZED INTERNAL CONTROLS AND PAY THE EMPLOYEES MORE AND RESPECT THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. SLATER. WELCOME BACK.

>> DORIS TAYLOR. 208 LIBERALLY AROSE. STILL. THE AMPHITHEATER, I THINK IT IS A GREAT THING. IT IS WONDERFUL.

MAYBE I MISSED SOMETHING HERE, BUT YOU HAVE A PROPERTY, OR RENTING IT OUT TO PEOPLE. PEOPLE PAY TO PUT ON EVENTS THERE . WHAT I HAVE OWNED RENTAL PROPERTY, I HAD TO CHARGE ENOUGH SO THAT I COULD PAY THE MORTGAGE AND THE INSURANCE AND THE MAINTENANCE. BUT THEN, I THOUGHT MAINTENANCE ITEMS AS A ITEM FOR THE TAXPAYERS. THAT IS NOT MAKES SENSE TO ME. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS VENUE -- THESE VENUES OUGHT TO BE CARRYING THEMSELVES. WE SHOULD BE PAYING EXTRA TAXES FOR MAINTENANCE ON THEM. WE SHOULD BE CHARGING ENOUGH SO THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU, MISS TAYLOR.

WELCOME BACK. >> 1356, ROBERT JONES, STILL.

I JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS . LOOKS LIKE THIS IS ABOUT EIGHT $3.2 MILLION A YEAR BUDGET ITEM AND I AM WONDERING, DOES THE COUNTY GET ANY OF THE REVENUE THAT IS FROM THE EVENTS THAT ARE GOING ON HERE AND IS THERE A COMPARISON OF WHAT WE SPENT LAST YEAR FOR THE SAME SERVICES? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> MR. RUMWELL, BEFORE WE SET THE NOTION, YOU WANT TO TAKE A CRACK AT ADDRESSING ANY OF THOSE? YOU CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TO BUT I KNOW THE WHOLE TEAM IS HERE TODAY IF YOU WANTED TO, I

WANTED YOU TO PROVIDE -- >> NO, I APPRECIATE THAT, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU TO THE CHAIR. NO, IT IS AN ASSET TO THE COUNTY. OVER $40 MILLION OF ECONOMIC IMPACT . PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS WORK. THEY ARE A GREAT THING. THEY ARE A BEAUTIFUL THING. WE FEEL THAT THIS IS ONLY GOING TO ENHANCE WHAT WE HAVE. THE MONEY THAT WOULD BE COMING IN WOULD BE FROM FUNDING AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE AMPHITHEATER IS PROBABLY THE TOP MAKER FOR HEADS AND BEDS. SO, I AM EXCITED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. I THINK IN THE CONTRACT, WE DO SHARE REVENUE AT SOME POINT, IS

THAT CORRECT? >> YES. I THINK THERE IS SOME

LANGUAGE IN THERE. >> IF SOMEONE COULD CLARIFY THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR MY CONSTITUENTS AS WELL AS -- IT DOES BECOME SELF-SUFFICIENT AT SOME POINT, CORRECT?

>> IT IS COMPLETELY SELF-SUFFICIENT NOW.

MAINTENANCE IS THROUGH THE CHAIR -- OF MAINTENANCE ON IT IS FOR THE BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE OWNED STILL BY ST. JOHNS

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>> MR. AND 16? >> THE CONTRACT IS ALLOW FOR REVENUE-SHARING BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, THE ESTABLISHMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE SO THERE IS CONSIDERATION THAT ONCE WE KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND HOW THIS IS GOING TO TURN OUT, WE CAN START DISCUSSING REVENUE SHARE OPPORTUNITIES AND START DISCUSSING THOSE.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR ARE WE

READY FOR EMOTION? MR. ARNOLD? >> I WOULD DO IT. I CANNOT START SMILING OUT THERE. I SEE SMILES OUT THERE. THIS IS VERY, VERY EXCITING. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023

¿ -- >> 362

>> TO FINALIZE NEGOTIATIONS AND EXECUTE A CONTRACT ESSENTIALLY IN THE SAME FORMAT AS ATTACHED WITH S.A.C.

CULTURAL EVENTS INC., A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, FOR THE OPERATIONS AND MANAGEMENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY CULTURAL EVENT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONTRACT. THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS

-- OH. SORRY. >>

>> THE TRANSFER FUNDS TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY CULTURAL EVENT.

THE TRANSFER OWNERSHIP OF THE ASSET LIST TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY PURSUANT TO THE CONTRACT AND TO SIGN THE CONTRACT SHOWN ON THE EXISTING CONTRACTS LIST TO 11 PURSUANT TO THE CONTRACT.

>> SECOND. >> I MAY HAVE BEEN MISREADING THE SCREEN BUT I THINK THE MOTION ALSO CONTEMPLATES TRANSFER OF ALL NON-ASSET EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES AND I DID NOT HEAR THAT IN YOUR MOTION.

>> OH, I'M READING OFF OF THE AGENDA THAT WAS PRINTED, NOT

THIS ONE. HAS IT CHANGED? >> YEAH. SO, THE MOTION FOR THE TRANSFER OF ASSETS ALSO INCLUDES THE NON-ACETATE EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS, AND SUPPLIES.

>> OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO I WILL START.

>> IF YOU COULD NOTED FOR THE RECORD THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THAT ADDITIONAL LINE INCLUDED IN YOUR MOTION, THAT IS

SUFFICIENT. >> YES. ABSOLUTELY.

>> MAKER OF THE SECOND, WILL YOU --

>>

>> NOW WE HAVE AN AMENDED NOTION AND AMENDED SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES FIVE MINUTES AGO. CONGRATULATIONS AND I THINK A GRADUATION TO ALL OF US WILL ENHANCE WHAT IS ALREADY ONE OF THE BEST VENUES OF THE

COUNTRY. GREAT JOB. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN .

>> I WOULD TRY TO BE QUICK. I THINK WE APPOINTED THIS ADVISORY BOARD, IF I REMEMBER, IN ABOUT APRIL OF 22 ' AND I THINK THE ADVISORY BOARD, EACH OF THE MEMBERS HAVE DONE A STELLAR JOB IN PARTICIPATING AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISCUSSION THAT LED TO, WHAT I THINK , IS ONE OF THE MORE INTERESTING AND SUCCESSFUL TRANSITIONS OF AN OPERATI, WHICH ALWAYS WAS CONFUSING TO ME OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE IT WAS NEITHER FISH OR FOUL. IT WAS NOT ALL PRIVATE AND IT WASN'T ALL GOVERNMENT AND I KEPT HEARING STORIES OF THE DIFFICULTIES OPERATING UNDER COUNTY PROCUREMENT LAWS AND ORDINANCES AND I SAID, AT THE VERY OFFSET, THAT I WOULD SUPPORT THIS NEW HYBRID, BUT ONLY IF AND ONLY IF WE WERE SURE THAT AS A COMMISSION WE WOULD HAVE AN ANNUAL AUDIT TO MAKE SURE THE TAXPAYERS MONIES WERE USED SUFFICIENTLY . OF

[9. Second Reading of Proposed Amendments to St. Johns County Ordinance No. 2009-43, the St. Johns County Prohibited Holiday Activity Ordinance for Sexual Offenders and Sexual Predators.]

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> GREAT JOB, GUYS. GREAT JOB.

OKAY. WELL, MR. MR. RUMWELL ONE, THAT IS A TOUGH ACT TO

FOLLOW. >> THE BOARD HEARD THE FIRST READING ON OCTOBER 1ST, THESE ARE AMENDMENTS TO 2009 ¿ 43.

IF YOU WILL RECALL THAT UNDER FLORIDA LAW, EXCEPT OFFENDERS AND SEXUAL PREDATORS ARE REQUIRED TO REGISTER AND TO KEEP THEIR REGISTRATIONS UP-TO-DATE UNDER THE EXISTING

[04:05:02]

>> THANK YOU, MR. BULTHUIS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BULTHUIS AT THIS TIME? I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SHARE NOW THE COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME, THE COMMISSIONS WILL NOW YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER NUMBER NINE. SEEING NONE, WE

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN. I CAN

[10. Second Reading of Proposed Amendments to St. Johns County Ordinance No. 2009-36, the Child Safety Zone Ordinance.]

A MOTION ON 2023. >> 45.

>>

>> SECOND BITE COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND BY TONIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES FIVE VENAZIO. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THE AFTERNOON. DOING WELL. TO LISA FERGUSON. COUNTIES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I AM HERE TO GO OVER THE SECOND READING FOR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO ORDINANCE 2009 ¿ 36 WHICH WAS HIS OFFSET SAFETY ZONE ORDINANCE. AT THE REGULAR MEETING FOR AUGUST 15TH, THE BOARD HEARD THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE -- OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE ORDINANCE AND, UNDER THE CURRENT LAW, IT MAKES IT UNLAWFUL FOR OFFENDERS TO BE WITHIN A SAFETY ZONE OF 300 FEET WITHIN A COUNTY PARK, RECREATION CENTER, SCHOOL, DAY CARE, ARCADE, SCHOOL BUS WHEN CHILDREN ARE PRESENT AT THE YMCA AND OTHER PLACES THAT ARE PRIMARILY DESIGNATED FOR CHILDREN AND THERE ARE SOME EGGS EXCEPTIONS WHEN DROPPING YOUR CHILD OFF WORK RELATIVE OFF . OF VOTING REGISTRATION, RESIDING AT YOUR OWN RESIDENCE WHEN IT IS COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE LAW, TROUBLING TO OR FROM A GOVERNMENT BUILDING , DRIVING TO A SAFETY ZONE TO TO ANOTHER DESIGNATION AMENDED OR TRAVELING TO OR FROM RELIGIOUS SERVICES OR BEING A MINOR ENROLLED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCORE. IN THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, SINCE THEN HAS BEEN FROM THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD WAS TO ADD THE SAFETY ZONE TO 1000 FEET, WHICH WE HAVE DONE AS WELL AS TO PROVIDE AN AMENITY CENTER WHEN CHILDREN ARE PRESENT FROM BEING THERE AND I HAD SOME GRAMMATICAL TYPO ERRORS THAT I UPDATED TO THE ORDINANCE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT SHALL MEAN THE RECREATIONAL FACILITY BUT NOT LIMITED TO A HOUSE, SWIMMING POOL, PLAYGROUND, OR AN OPEN SPACE TO OPERATE PRIMARILY FOR THE RESIDENCE OR NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AND THEIR GUESTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS

[04:10:03]

>> THANK YOU, MS. FERGUSON. LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENTS. >> DO HAVE A MOTION?

>> I MOVING ORDINANCE 2023. >> 26.

>> THE SINK JOHN COUNTY CHILD SAFETY ORDINANCE.

>> I SECOND THE MOTION BUT I DID WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS AND WORKING ON THIS. THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN KEEPING OUR CHILDREN SAFE AND I ALSO WANT TO -- NO HE WASN'T WANTED ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY BUT HE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT INCLUDING EXTENDING THE 300 TO 1000 FEET INCLUDING THE AMENITY CENTERS. SO I WANTED TO THANK HIM WITH MEETING WITH ME AND PROVIDING

SOME FEEDBACK . >> I TOO WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON HOW COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS WORKING WITH OUR STAFF. WE MAKE GOOD DISCUSSION FROM BOARD . WE MADE BETTER WHAT HAD ALREADY BEEN MADE SO JORDAN TOMORROW

[11. Public Hearing * Proposed Settlement of Lupoli v. St. Johns County and Guilmar, LLC Litigation and Statutory Demand.]

VOTE. >>

>> ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES. 5-0.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK AT MR. BULTHUIS FOR JENNA NUMBER

11. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AGENDA NUMBER ITEM 11 RELATES TO PROPOSED SETTLEMENT OF A CLAIM IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT ON THE BOARD FOR THIS UNDERLYING ISSUE . THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY ISSUED. YOU CAN SEE IT OUTLINED IN BLUE. THIS IS A SILO ROAD AND THIS IS A ROAD AS WELL JUST OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU CAN SEE THE INTERSECTION OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY AND STATE ROAD 16. THAT PROPERTY IS ABOUT .73 ACRS AND IS RURAL WITH AN RESIDENTIAL AID LAND-USE. IN THAT AREA YOU HAD SEEN THERE WERE LARGE LOTS.

TYPICALLY ABOUT THAT 45 ACRE RANGE . WE DO HAVE DENSER DEVELOPMENT UP IN THE ZAMORA LAKES AREA, AS I NOTED . BUT THE PROPOSAL HERE THAT IS AT ISSUE WAS FOR AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY ON THIS PROPERTY WHERE THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A TWO PHASE TWO BUILDING ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY OR ALF

[04:15:07]

THEY ALSO FILED A LAWSUIT UNDER CHAPTER 163, WHICH ALLOWED FOR THE COURT TO CONSIDER CONSISTENCY OF DEVELOPMENT PERMITS WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEY BASICALLY SAID THAT THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CLEARANCE SHEETS AT THE STAFF LEVEL WERE INCONSISTENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I SAW A DECLARATORY JUDGMENT TO THE AFFECT AND AN INJUNCTION FROM THE COUNTY GOING FORWARD IN ALLOWING DEVELOPMENT WITH THOSE CLEARANCE SHEETS. THERE'S NOT A DELAY APPEAL OF THOSE CLEARANCE SHEETS OR FRESH REVIEW BY THE COURT.

THAT STATUTE DOES ALLOW A PREVAILING PARTY TO RECOVER ATTORNEY FEES. SO, WE ATTENDED REMEDIATION WITH THE GILMORE PROPERTY OF INTERVALS AS WELL AS THE LUPOLI'S AND AFTER SOME TIME, WERE ABLE TO PROPOSE MEETING A SETTLEMENT FOR THIS BOARD'S CONSIDERATION BASED ON THE POTENTIAL RISKS OF LITIGATION, AS WELL AS RESOLVING THE MATTER AND, UNDER THIS PROPOSED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF THIS GUILMAR LLC, WHICH RECEIVED $450,000 AND THE LUPOLI'S RECEIVED $4000 FOR THEIR ATTORNEYS FEES -- BUT THEN BOTH PARTIES WOULD DISMISS THEIR OR WITHDRAW THEIR CLAIMS UNDER THE POSITION THAT FLUEDRA, WOULD BE DISMISSED BY GUILMAR AND THE POLICE WOULD DISMISS THEIR CHAPTER 163

[04:20:04]

>> THANK YOU, MR. BULTHUIS. ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME HER QUESTIONS? OKAY. LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 11. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

HAVE A MOTION? >>

>> MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023 DASH

>> 363 -- >> BETWEEN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, GUILMAR LLC, ROBERT JEHLE POLEY AND JENNIFER L THE POLEY . APPROVING TRANSFER OF $480,000 FROM GENERAL RESERVES -- GENERAL FUND RESERVES IN OFFICE OF ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO THE MEDIATED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.

>> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE. AND IT

PASSES. 5-0. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE IF I COULD HAVE MIKE ROBERSON, STEP UP. I THINK WE DISCUSSED JUST TO AVOID THIS TYPE OF ISSUE COMING UP, WE RECOMMEND POTENTIALLY SOME CLARIFICATIONS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE . I GOT A PROPOSE ACTION ON THAT AS WELL BUT I'D LIKE TO WRITE A LITTLE MORE COLOR ON THAT, PLEASE.

>> AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, MIKE ROBERSON. SO, LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION, IT WOULD BE MAY BE A CONSENSUS TO COME UP WITH SOME LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT CLARIFICATIONS.

REALLY, TO ALLOW THESE TYPES OF USES TO COME BACK AND MAYBE BE VETTED AS OPPOSED TO ALLOW THAT REVIEW ADMINISTRATIVELY AND IT COULD JUST BE A NUMBER OF WAYS TO DO IT, BUT THEY DO OFFER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THROUGH THE LANDING AND ZONING AGENCY AND FOR EXAMPLE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO, IT DOES

[12. Consider the proposed 2024 St. Johns County Legislative Action Plan.]

DO SO. >> I WILL WHOLEHEARTEDLY

SUPPORT THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>>

>> OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO MR. TECLER AND OUR 2024 PROPOSED

LEGISLATIVE ACTION. >> FEELS LIKE IT IS TOO SOON TO BE BACK UP YOUR TALKING ABOUT LEGISLATIVE ISSUES, BUT HERE WE ARE. TODAY, I AM HERE TO PRESENT THE 2024 LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN. IT IS A VERY SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR . THE PURPOSE OF THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN IS TO GIVE A LIST OF PRIORITIES OF WHICH THE COUNTY REQUESTS EXISTENCE FOR OUR STATE AND FEDERAL ELECTED OFFICIALS. I WILL ALSO SAY IT IS USED TO ALSO WORK WITH FEDERAL AND STATE AGENCIES AS WELL. IN GENERAL, THE PLAN IS COMPILED OF THE BOARD, STAFF COORDINATED WITH THE -- THE CHAIR PRESENT THE FINAL LLP TO THAT DELEGATED LEGISLATION AT THE MEETING. THIS YEAR, IT WILL BE OCTOBER 13TH RIGHT HERE IN THE AUDITORIUM. THE PLAN IS

DIVIDED INTO -- >>

[04:26:18]

THE SECOND HALF OF THIS STRENGTHENING THE COMMUNITY RESILIENCE. I KNOW YOU HAVE A STRONG DEDICATION TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND PROTECTION.

STRENGTHENING EMERGENCY RESPONSE IS ONE OF YOUR PRIORITIES AND TO ADDRESS THE FIRST RESPONDER WORK SHORTAGE, THIS PLAN HAS TWO MAJOR FIRE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.

15 MILLION FOR THE CENTRAL PUBLIC SAFETY STATION, AND 5 MILLION FOR THE REGIONAL FIRE TRAINING FACILITY.

I WOULD SAY THEY BOTH WORK HAND IN HAND.

YOU HAVE EXPANDING IT IN FIRE INFRASTRUCTURE AND YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR RECRUITMENT, TRAINING, NEW FIREFIGHTERS AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THEM OUT THERE INTO THE FIELD.

WHEN THEY HAD TO MOVE INTO TRAINING TO GET THEM OUT AS WELL. THERE IS THE COMPONENT.

THE TRAINING FACILITY ADDRESSES THAT.

COMBINED TOGETHER, THE FACTOR IS WHEN YOU TAKE THEM TOGETHER, IT HELPS DECREASE RESPONSE TIME. WHICH REDUCTION IN FIRE RATING LEADS TO A LOWER PROPERTY INSURANCE PREMIUMS. BENEFIT OU THESE PROJECTS. I WOULD ALSO MENTION IF YOU LOOK AT THE COASTAL PROTECTION, WE HAVE -- WHICH IS WORKING TO STABILIZE THAT AREA. WITHOUT THIS PROJECT, THE CORE WILL BE UNABLE TO COMPLETE THE NECESSARY STEPS TO REDUCE THE PERSISTENT FLOODING IN THE AREA.

THE PROJECT ONE STEP TO COMPLETE A SECOND STEP.

BEYOND INFRASTRUCTURE, COMMUNITY RESILIENCE ALSO INVOLVES ISSUES WITH PEOPLE AND TO THAT END, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING ATTENTION TO COMMISSIONER ÚARNOLD.

THIS PLAN REFLECTS YOUR LEADERSHIP ON IMPORTANT PRIORITIES. IT EXPANDS PRESUMPTIVE DASHED TO FIRST RESPONDERS. AS WELL AS THE WORK WITH THE STATE LEADERSHIP ON YOUTH MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDER CAPACITY IN THAT REGARD THE PLAN WILL STREAMLINE THE RECIPROCITY LICENSES AND PROVIDE I SENT HER EQUITY BETWEEN STATE EMPLOYEES AND PRIVATE SECTOR. THE COMMUNITY RESILIENCE SECTION EXPANDS USE FOR RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES AND FURTHERS THE PROTECTION OF YOUNG CHILDREN AND ADULTS FROM VAPING PRODUCTS. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, THEY WORKED HARD TO PUSH THE INITIATIVES THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION. WE WILL WORK ON THEM THIS YEAR.

THE NEXT SESSION IS SUSTAINING -- I DID TALK ABOUT CORPUS POINT. WE ARE GOOD THERE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY RESILIENCE.

I AM BEHIND IN MY POWERPOINT. LET'S SEE, SUSTAINING ECONOMIC PROSPERITY. COMMISSIONER, IT ADDRESSES ONE OF YOUR TOP PRIORITIES IN THE SECTION.

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I KNOW THE BOAT RAMP WILL BE MUCH NICER FACILITY.

ALSO WE ARE LOOKING AT THE GOLF VILLAGE SITE.

I KNOW, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IS ON THE MIND OF MANY RESIDENTS TO STRENGTHEN THE ECONOMIC VITALITY IN THE AREA OF THE PLANT, 5 MILLION IN STATE FUNDS FOR THE ACQUISITION, ANCILLARY BUILDINGS, SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, I WANT TO MENTION SURVEY RESEARCH, ST.

JOHNS IDENTIFYING THE COMMUNITY NEEDS EVALUATING THE FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES THAT MIGHT ALIGN WITH THE SITE.

THE LAST CATEGORY IS PROTECTION OF NATURAL HISTORIC RESOURCES.

COMMISSIONERS, THIS PLAN URGES THE LEGISLATIVE TASK FORCE TO ESTABLISH SAINT AUGUSTINE AS THE LOCATION OF THE FLORIDA MUSEUM OF BLACK HISTORY. AS WELL AS YOU WILL FIND THAT THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN THAT THE PLAN IS REQUESTING THE STATE TO INVEST RESOURCES IN CRITICAL REGIONAL ECO-SYSTEM RESTORATION PROJECTS LIKE THE RIVER RESTORATION PROJECT THAT REQUIRES MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH. BENEFITS -- IT HAS BENEFITS THAT EXTEND BEYOND THE COUNTY BORDERS.

FINALLY, I WANT TO MENTION COMMISSIONER ARNOLD AND JOSEPH, THE PLANS LAST PROPOSAL MAY PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL ASSISTANCE TO THE COMMUNITY OF HASTINGS. THAT SECTION DASHWOOD HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT TALKS ABOUT THE HISTORIC FARMING COMMUNITIES.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS PROPOSAL TO ADDRESS NOT ONLY CONSERVATION OF WORKING LANDS, BUT HELPING TO FACILITATE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, AND IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN HASTINGS AND IN THE SURROUNDING REGION, ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WHERE HISTORICALLY FORMING AREAS ARE LOCATED.

WITH THE BOARD'S APPROVAL, THE LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS OFFICE WILL ADVANCE THIS EXCITING PROPOSAL. FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP THE MOTION. MOTION TO ADOPT THE 2024 ST.

JOHNS COUNTY LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN.

IT MENTIONS THE UPCOMING PRESENTATION WHICH IS OCTOBER 13 . WHILE I DID STUMBLE THROUGH MY PRESENTATION TODAY, THAT DOES CONCLUDE IT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM

HERE TO ANSWER THEM. >> I WANT TO COMMEND YOU.

THIS IS A THOROUGH LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN.

I THINK IT IS GREAT BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S PERFECT.

I WILL ASK YOU TO DO ONE MORE THING.

SOMETHING THAT CAME UP AGAIN TODAY.

THE ANTIQUATED LAW THAT DOES NOT ALLOW SCHOOLS TO BUILD NEW SCHOOLS TO KEEP UP WITH GROWTH IN SPITE OF THE 50 YEAR TREND OF RAPID GROWTH IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, IT MAY BE AN IMPOSSIBLE AS, CALL ME OPTIMISTIC IF YOU WANT TO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET BOARD CONSENSUS TO PUT THAT ON THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN SO WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN DO, I THINK GOING TO WASHINGTON, D.C., SENATOR SCOTT STAFF TOLD US IF WE DON'T TELL US WE CAN'T KNOW. HOW CAN WE FIX SOMETHING IF YOU DO NOT TELL US? WITH THAT IN MIND THAT I WANT TO LET TALLAHASSEE KNOW THIS IS NOT WORKING, ESPECIALLY IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. CAN WE GET CONSENSUS TO ADD

THAT TO THE LEGISLATION? >> ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A PIE IN

THE BEGINNING. >> ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A PIE.

>> WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATION WITH THE DELEGATION REGARDING THIS ISSUE KNOWING IT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN IN PRYOR MEETINGS. FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE DELEGATION MEMBERS, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT IS BEING LOOKED AT IN TALLAHASSEE. IT WILL BE LOOKED AT, WE DO NOT KNOW YET, BUT IT IS MOVING FORWARD.

WE ARE ON TOP OF IT. >> EVEN IF IT MEANS THE SPORT GOING TO TALLAHASSEE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS IN MAKING THIS REQUEST, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH THE EFFORT, THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS ISSUE. IT MIGHT BE A HEAVY LIFT AND A LOT OF OPPOSITION, WOULD LOVE TO COORDINATE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THIS EFFORT AND BRING THEM ON BOARD, WORKING SIDE-BY-SIDE WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.

EVEN IF WE HAVE TO GO IT ALONE, THICKETS WITH THE EVER.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE

LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN? >> LET ME START BY SAYING I WAS

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AS IT TURNS OUT, I OVERLOOKED WHAT I CONSIDER ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL AND IMPORTANT PROJECTS IN THE AREA OF NATURAL RESOURCES. IT SPEAKS TO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO TAKE THE TIME.

JOE HAD THE OVERTIME AND HE WAS SHOWING THE PROJECT.

THIS IS BETWEEN MILES ON A BEACH PROJECT WHICH IS ROUGHLY 3 MILES TO CORPUS POINT TO THE BEACH CLUB.

THAT IS FEDERAL. THERE IS A SIX MONTH GAP THAT GOES TO THE RIVER PRESERVE. BEYOND THE RIVER PRESERVE, THERE'S THE NINE MILE AREA THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. WHAT THAT LEAVES IS THE SIX MILE STRETCH BETWEEN THE BEACH CLUB AND THE RIVER PRESERVE.

IT WAS NOT INCLUDED WHEN WE TRIED TO GET IT INCLUDED IN THE FEDERAL PROJECT. THE BEACH PROJECT, THE COURT REJECTED OUR REQUEST. THEY NOW HAVE ACCEPTED IT AS PART OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. WHAT REMAINS IS WORKING WITH HOMEOWNERS WANT TO HEAD SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND WALKED THROUGH THE PROCESS AND FUNDING FOR A ONE-TIME PLACEMENT, ONE-TIME PLACEMENT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE DOING.

WE GOT THE FUNDING, WE HAVE WE GOT STATE FUNDING, LOCAL FUNDING, AND THE PROJECT, ONE TIME HAD THE SEVERE HURRICANE AND IT WIPED OUT THE PROJECT.

THEY STILL ARE PAYING THE TWO MILLS ANNUALLY AND WITHOUT A FEDERAL PROJECT. NOW THEY ARE WITHOUT WHAT WAS THE ONE-TIME PLACEMENT, AND IF YOU RECALL, JOE'S OVERHEAD EARLIER, THERE IS A TINY BIT INCLUDED IN THE FEMA PROJECT IN THAT SIX MILES. WITH THAT LONG-WINDED MEA CULPA AND EXPLANATION, I WILL SUGGEST TO YOU I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND BASED ON -- AND I THINK YOU EACH RECEIVED A LETTER EITHER LAST WEEK OR YESTERDAY FROM THE PONTE VEDRA BEACH ASSOCIATION ASKING US TO RECOMMEND IN THE LEGISLATIVE ASK SOME FUNDING TO DO A ONE-TIME PLACEMENT DISCUSSED IT WITH JOE, THAT ASK WOULD BE 7.5 MILLION.

I WOULD WANT TO ASK FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO SUPPORT AMENDING OUR LEGISLATIVE PLAN TO INCLUDE AND ASK FOR 7.5 MILLION FOR THE AREA I DESCRIBED, SOUTH PONTE VEDRA AREA BASED ON THE REQUEST FROM THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE RECENT -- THEY HAVE NOT HAD GOOD LUCK THE LAST SIX YEARS.

I WANT TO HELP THEM. >> YOU HAVE BEEN A TIRELESS ADVOCATE FOR COASTAL PROTECTION.

I'M NOT SURE ANY OF THE BEACHES HAVE SAND ON THEM.

IF IT WERE NOT FOR YOUR EFFORTS OVER THESE LAST SEVEN, SIX

YEARS. >> I WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT THERE WITH A LITTLE BUCKET IF THAT WERE THE CASE.

>> I FULLY SUPPORT IT. YOU HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB PROTECTING THE COASTLINE. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS FROM THE

BOARD? >> I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER THING REGARDING THE TOO. SURE.

>> WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR THIS. IS THAT CLEAR?

>> YES, SIR, IT IS. >> VERY GOOD.

>> MS. ANDERS? >> I WANT TO SAY THAT I KNOW ADAM AND HIS STAFF HAVE WORKED HARD ON IDENTIFYING THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE APPROPRIATE REQUEST FOR THE SCHOOL CAPACITY ISSUE. I KNOW THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT ABOUT THE PLAN IS NOT IMPERFECT.

IT WILL PROBABLY BOTHER ADAM FOR DAYS TO COME.

TO THAT MOTION, I WANT TO CLARIFY THE CHAIRMAN IS ASKING AND CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD IS TO SEEK THESTATE POLICY AS WELL AS APPROPRIATIONS SUPPORT TO PROACTIVELY FUND A NEW SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION BEFORE THE SCHOOL ZONE IS OVERCAPACITY

>> YES. >> IT COULD BE VARIOUS THINGS.

POLICY OR APPROPRIATION. >> YES, I WILL TRY TO SUMMARIZE BRIEFLY. LET'S BUILD THE SCHOOLS KNOWING THERE IS GROWTH COMING INSTEAD OF RETROACTIVELY, AFTER THE GROWTH

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COMMENT? >> THE BOARD WILL HERE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12.

>> ED SLAVEN. I WOULD LIKE THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN WE HAD PRIOR TO THE YEAR 2022.

IT WAS DETAILED. IT WAS SUBSTANTIVE AND IT WENT ON FOR PAGES. THE PAGES WERE NUMBERED AND IT INCLUDED SOMETHING NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART THAT HAS BEEN OMITTED AND THAT'S AMENDING THE FLORIDA FALSE CLAIMS ACT TO PROVIDE UNDER THE KEY PROVISION THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO SUE ONE HOUSEMAIDS CLAIMS ARE MADE AGAINST A GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT COUNTIES ARE COVERED. COUNTY TAXPAYERS ARE PROTECTED AND CITY TAXPAYERS ARE PROTECTED.

TAXPAYERS A SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICTS ARE PROTECTED.

LET ME TELL YOU BY WAY OF BACKGROUND.

IN JANUARY OF 2008, I ATTENDED A MEETING, STATE REPRESENTATIVE PROCTOR HELD AT THE CITY HALL. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT KEEPING TAXES LOW AND AMENDING THE STATE CONSTITUTION.

I SAID, WHY DON'T YOU FOCUS ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE? WHY DON'T YOU FOCUS ON DETECTING FRAUD, WASTE, ABUSE, MISFEASANCE, MALFEASANCE? WHY DO YOU NOT AMEND THE ACT TO INCLUDE NOT JUST STATE AGENCIES BUT LOCAL AGENCIES.

YOU KNOW WHAT HE SAID TO ME? IN PUBLIC, IN FRONT OF THOSE PEOPLE AT THE SAINT AUGUSTINE CITY HALL, ENDORSE MOTHERHOOD. IT WENT NOWHERE WITH HIM AND WENT NOWHERE WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

THINK AFTER ST. JOHNS COUNTY. OUR LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN, THE FOLLOWING YEAR, INCLUDED AMENDING THE FLORIDA FALSE CLAIMS ACT TO INCLUDE IN THE KEY TAMPER PROVISION.

IT HAS BEEN DELETED AND A BUNCH OF GOOD STUFF IN THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN OR JOHN FOR DOZENS OF PAGES AND THE PAGES WERE NUMBERED HAS BEEN UNDER CONRAD, THERE WAS AN EMPHASIS ON DOCUMENTS THAT ARE SHORT AND SHALLOW LIKE THE WAY THEY ARE DOING THE BUDGET NOW THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NEW LEGISLATIVE GUY GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLANS PRIOR TO THIS ONE AND LET'S BRUSH THOSE UP AND PUT THE BEST FOOT FORWARD AND LET'S SAY MORE THAN A FEW PRETTY PICTURES.

A FULLY SUPPORT THE BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM.

IT NEEDS TO EMPHASIZE CIVIL RIGHTS HISTORY WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO HAVE IT HERE. WE NEED A NATIONAL CIVIL RIGHTS MUSEUM IN SAINT AUGUSTINE AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND A NATIONAL PARK AND SEASHORE. I AM REALLY PUZZLED AS TO WHY YOU WOULD LEAVE THAT OUT? WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE PROTECTIONS AGAINST FRAUD? WHAT WAS HUNTER CONRAD AND COMPANY THINKING WHEN THEY DECIDED, WE NEED SOMETHING REALLY SHORT. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WERE TOLD BY THOMAS MARTIN, THE LOBBYIST WHO RAISES MONEY FOR SOME OF

YOUR CAMPAIGNS? SPA THANK YOU. >> PLEASE ANSWER.

THANK YOU. >> WELCOME BACK.

>> HELLO, MY NAME IS JUDY AND I LIVE AT 101 GREEN WILLOW LANE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. THESE ARE SCREEN GRABS I PULLED FROM WHEN I WAS RESEARCHING THIS.

2024 LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN. THEY ADDRESSED THE SCHOOL CAPACITY. I WAS LIKE, DID I FALL ASLEEP AND MISSED THAT. I THOUGHT I SAW IT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST FOR SAYING IT WAS MISSING. I THINK THAT IS HUGELY IMPORTANT AND I WILL READ WHAT IT SAID IN THE PLAN I DID NOT SAY ON THIS PRESENTATION. YOU DID NOT MISS ANYTHING.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY REQUEST FOR LEGISLATIVE -- LEGISLATURE TO IDENTIFY AND MODIFY PROVISIONS OF LAW AND/OR ADMINISTRATIVE RULES THAT MAY LIMIT THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW SCHOOL FACILITIES FOR THE AUTHORIZATION OF CONSTRUCTION OF NEW SCHOOLS TO EXISTING SCHOOL CAPACITY.

ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY WILL FACILITATE STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR HIGH-GROWTH DISTRICTS. YAY, LET'S DO THAT.

HUGELY IMPORTANT. CAN'T WAIT UNTIL YOU HAVE A PROBLEM LIKE, WE WILL DIAGNOSE YOUR CANCER ONCE THE TUMOR IS SO BIG -- WHATEVER. THE OTHER THING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I DID NOT SEE THAT PRESENTED AS WELL. I THINK THEY ARE VERY MUCH

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A LOT OF COMMENTS TODAY, IF WE DON'T HAVE HOUSES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT GREASE THE GEARS, WE DON'T HAVE A COMMUNITY.

I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENT WAY TO LOOK AT THIS THAN THE WAY THINGS ARE BEING LOOKED AT NOW.

I AM REALLY EXCITED THIS IS COMING UP AND I PRAY THERE IS DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON THIS THAT WILL ACTUALLY FOMENT CHANGE THAT WILL FACILITATE CHANGE IN SOME OF THESE LAWS BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE IN A RUT AND A COUPLE OF THESE AREAS WITH THE SCHOOLS AND BUILDING HOUSES.

I WILL GIVE AN ANECDOTAL STORY THAT GOES WITH THINGS WE HEARD TODAY. THERE WAS A PROPERTY THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2008 THAT WAS BUILT RECENTLY BY DISTRICT 3. 330 APARTMENTS. THE ONE, TWO, AND THREE APARTMENTS. ONE-BEDROOMS ARE $2000.

THEY OPENED IN MAY, FIVE OR SIX MONTHS.

THEY ARE AT ABOUT 20% AND THEY CANNOT GET PEOPLE TO RENT.

TO PEOPLE THAT DO RENT ARE EVICTED BECAUSE THEY CANNOT PAY THE RENT. LIKE I SAID, I AM SPEAKING ANECDOTALLY. I KNOW SOMEONE WHO LIVES THERE AND I KNOW THAT FIVE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED ON HER FLOOR WERE EVICTED, FOUR OF THE FIVE. THEY ARE PAYING RESIDENCE $550 TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO COME AND RENT THERE.

THERE IS A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE, BUT BUILDING MORE HIGH-END PLACES THAT ARE MARKET RATE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE ANSWER. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> WELCOME.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

HENRY, YOU STOLE MY THUNDER. MY NAME IS GUY. I'M A PERMANENT RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AT 2803 SOUTH PONTE VEDRA INTO BOARD MEMBER THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BEACH PRESERVATION ASSOCIATION. I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE LETTER WE EMAILED YESTERDAY BUT THE COMMISSIONER TOOK CARE OF THAT. I WILL PICK OUT A FEW HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT I WOULD TALK ABOUT TODAY.

THE FIRST ONE IS WE NEED TO TO KNOW THAT OUR BOARD RECENTLY MET WITH SENATOR HUDSON TO ASK HIM HOW WE PROCEED WITH GETTING STATE FUNDING, AND THIS IS THE WORD, HE DIRECTED US TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO INCLUDE ANY SPECIFIC REQUIRED FUNDING FOR SOUTH PONTE VEDRA AND VILANO BEACH IN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY LEGISLATIVE ASK FOR 2024. AS SUCH, WE BELIEVE IT'S IMPERATIVE TO INCLUDE THE REQUEST FOR FUNDS WHILE SENATOR HUDSON IS IN HIS CURRENT LEGISLATIVE POSITION.

WE ARE GOING TO SECOND WHAT WAS SAID IN THE LETTER AND WHAT HENRY SAID TODAY, APPROXIMATELY $7.5 MILLION IS THE ASK, AND I WOULD LEAVE IT TO SAY WHETHER E NEED MORE THAN THAT FOR THE MONITORING AND MAINTENANCE OF THE PROJECT.

7.5 AND MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO ASK FOR. THE INTERIM PROJECT WOULD PROVIDE A BRIDGE TO THE LONGER- TERM U.S. ARMY CORPS SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BEACH PROJECT THAT'S UNDER REVIEW AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. SLATED FOR FINAL APPROVAL IN JULY 2024. THE EARLIEST EXECUTION OF THE FEDERAL PROJECT WOULD BE IN 2026 IF FUNDING IS APPROVED BY CONGRESS. BASED ON THE CURRENT CRITICAL NEED FOR ADDITIONAL SAND PLACEMENT IN SOUTH PONTE VEDRA, THERE IS AN IMPORTANT REASON FOR THE FUNDING REQUEST AS IT IS TODAY. IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT COUNTY IS ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE TO FEDERAL OFFICIALS THAT THE BEACHES ARE BEING ADMINISTERED UNDER WHAT IS CALLED A MANAGED BEACH APPROACH. DUE TO THE CHANGING FEMA RULES.

ONE TIME BEACH NOURISHMENT'S DO NOT QUALIFY UNDER FEMA MANAGED BEACH REGULATIONS FOR EMERGENCY REGULATIONS.

IF THE REQUEST IS NOT MADE FOR THIS SOUTH PONTE VEDRA NOURISHMENT, THEIR OTHER FUNDING OPTIONS LEFT AVAILABLE BESIDES TDC FUNDS. THE BEACHES WILL BE LEFT EXPOSED TO EROSION ON TOP OF THE EROSION CAUSED BY HURRICANE IAN AND NICOLE IN 2022 UNTIL WE GET THE FEDERAL PROJECT MAYBE IN 2026. WE ARE DEEMED CRITICALLY ERODED BEACH AND AS COMMISSIONER DEAN SAID, FIVE OR SIX MILES SO FAR HAS NOT HAD A PROJECT OTHER THAN THE ONE THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE STATE PUT TOGETHER BEFORE THE 2022 STORMS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DEAN, AND I SECOND WHAT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST SAID.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE SAND AT ALL TODAY IF IT WAS NOT FOR YOUR EFFORTS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> WELCOME BACK.

>> HI. DORIS TAYLOR.

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IT LOOKS LIKE THAT SPECIFICALLY HAS TO DO WITH GETTING FUNDING FROM THAT ORGANIZATION. AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO BUILD A SCHOOL WITHOUT USING THE PARTICULAR FUN. IT'S THE WAY IT TYPICALLY HAS BEEN DONE. I SUGGEST WE THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOU STRONGLY, YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT PURSUING THE STATE ABOUT GETTING CHANGES MADE SO WE CAN GET SCHOOLS BUILT, YOU ADMITTED IN YOUR COMMENTS THAT IT MAY TAKE A DECADE. THINGS DON'T HAPPEN FAST, BUT WE NEED TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM NOW.

THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, WHY DON'T WE MAKE ALL OF OUR COUNTY BUILDINGS AVAILABLE TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND HOMESCHOOL PEOPLE SO THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DEVELOP PRIVATE SCHOOLS? AND THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO BUILD ALL THE BUILDINGS.

WHY DON'T WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE BY USING THE RESOURCES AND MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FOCUS ON SPORTS FACILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO THAT THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMESCHOOLING, WHICH HAS MORE THAN DOUBLED , AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS, CAN COME TOGETHER AND OFFER THOSE RESOURCES TO THE CHILDREN THAT ARE NOT GOING TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS BECAUSE THERE IS NO ROOM AT PUBLIC SCHOOLS. IF WE DO NOT SOLVE THIS FAST, WE HAVE DECADES OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN GOING TO OVERCROWDED SCHOOLS AND TEMPORARY BUILDINGS. I DID IN THE 70S.

THIS IS A RIDICULOUS, KEEP DOING THE SAME THING AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS CRAZINESS.

LET'S SOLVE IT NOW. LET'S THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

WE COULD USE THIS FACILITY FOR MEETINGS, AND A PUBLIC MEETING ROOMS. LET'S USE THEM.

LET'S MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR SCHOOLCHILDREN. AN IDEA.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SAYING NONE.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? >> READY FOR EMOTION IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN. IT BACKUP ON THE MONITORS.

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>> OKAY. I MOVED TO ADOPT THE 2024 ST.

JOHNS COUNTY LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN AS AMENDED, AND PRESENT IT TO THE UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION MEETING OCTOBER 13.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. GREAT JOB.

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN. ALL RIGHTS WE ARE ON TO ITEM 13. JOE AND.

>> LAST BUT NOT LEAST, JOANNE, IS GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS AND CHAIR. THERE TWO VACANCIES IN THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD. THE VACANCIES IS DUE TO THE RESIGNATION OF NANCY AND THE EXPIRING TERM OF BLAIR. A VACANCY AD WAS PLACED AND RAN FOR NINE MONTHS.

C FOR YOUR REVIEW AND A RECOMMENDATION LETTER FROM THE CCR B AND SEVEN QUALIFYING APPLICATIONS.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I AM ON STANDBY.

>> QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER.

>> I HAVE MET THESE APPLICANTS AND THEY ARE EXCELLENT, AND I

WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION. >> LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 13.

SEEING NONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT BLAIR TO THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE SEPTEMBER 19, 2027.

>> SECOND. >> IT'S A MOTION.

PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5-0.

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION TO APPOINT DR. KEYS TO THE CULTURAL REVIEW BOARD FOR FOUR SCOTT TO EXPIRE SEPTEMBER

2027. >> BEFORE WE VOTE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE

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I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP APPLYING.

I THINK YOU WOULD MAKE A WONDERFUL MEMBER SOMEDAY.

THANK YOU FOR PLAYING. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 5-0. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT CONCLUDES THE REGULAR AGENDA.

LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THE BOARD WILL HEAR NON- AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE RULES OF DECORUM.

COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR IMMEDIATE COMMAND FROM THE BOARD.

NO PERSON ADDRESS A BOARD WITH PERSONAL OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR WITH BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR. MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE DEMONSTRATION OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL. I ASK ANY SPEAKER THAT PREVENTS OVERHEAD MATERIAL, PLEASE PRESENT THAT TO BE ENTERED INTO

PUBLIC RECORD. >> LORI MOFFAT, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, THERE WOULD BE NO SAND ON THE BEACH IT IT WAS NOT FOR YOU AND ME. IN ANY RATE, I AM HERE BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THE DISCUSSION FROM TWO WEEKS AGO ON THE NORTH PONTE VEDRA BEACH WE NOURISHMENT FUNDING GAP. WE ARE GRATEFUL TO THE BEACH MANAGEMENT STAFF WHO QUICKLY ADDRESSED THIS BEACH EROSION WITH FEMA AND THE ARMY CORPS PROJECT.

WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR SENATOR HUDSON BUT NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE GREAT WORK HE DOES FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, BUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AFTER HURRICANE IAN AND NICOLE, SENATOR INTRODUCED A DISASTER RELIEF BILL WHICH PROVIDED $206 MILLION IN FUNDING TO RESTORE DAMAGE TO FLORIDA'S BEACHES THROUGH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN HOW THE MONEY CAN BE DEPLOYED INCLUDING WE NOURISHMENT. IT MUST BE USED BY JULY 1, 2024 TO AVOID THE STANDARD DEP REQUIREMENT OF A LOCAL MATCH.

THE COUNTY TEAM MADE CLEAR THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BEACHES RECEIVED FUNDING FROM THIS $260 MILLION GENERAL APPROPRIATION FROM THE STATE. WHICH WE DID AND $9.5 MILLION.

A MAJOR CHUNK OF THAT MONEY IS TIED TO THE 247,000 CUBIC YARDS OF SAND THAT NORTH PONTE VEDRA LOST IN IAN AND NICOLE IN A MAJOR CHUNK OF THE NIGHT BY FIVE MILLION IS LEFT TO SPEND.

I WOULD LIKE TO LOGAN WAYS TO SPEND THE MONEY INCLUDING THE FUNDING GAP IN NORTH PONTE VEDRA RENOURISHMENT AND ELIMINATING THE DEBT OUTSTANDING AND VILANO BEACH AND SOUTH BEACH PROJECTS. THE PEOPLE OF NORTH PONTE VEDRA HAVE BEEN ADVOCATES FOR SOUTH PONTE VEDRA INCLUDING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FROM THE ARMY CORPS RIGHT NOW.

THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE ONE OF US WENT TO FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP.

THIS IS CLEARLY A WIND-WIN FOR TAXPAYERS AND I WOULD LIKE TO REACH OUT TO YOU ALL AND STAFF AND I WANT TO THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR SUPPORT. I WILL MEET WITH THE BEACH TEAM REGARDING THIS. YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM US ON SEPARATE MEETINGS. THANK YOU.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION.

CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? THIS WOULD GET RID OF ANY TAXING FOR NORTH PONTE VEDRA BEACH NORTH AND SOUTH?

>> I THINK THERE IS A WAY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

WE WOULD HAVE EQUITY WITH ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH WHICH HAS NO

MST OUT. >> AND NOBODY WOULD BE FIGHTING?

>> I THINK IT COULD GET RID OF THE FRICTION.

AFTER THE LAST MEETING, I HEARD YOU.

YOU SAID GO AWAY AND WE ARE STICKING WITH THIS PLAN.

WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO? I THINK THERE IS A WAY TO MAKE

IT HAPPEN. >> I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK INTO

THAT NUMBER 5 MILLION. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> LET ME SAY FIRST, I WAS NOT AWARE THE SPECIAL LEGISLATION.

I WAS NOT AWARE OF IT. I THINK WE OUGHT TO PURSUE IT.

IF IT IS FOR HURRICANE RELIEF, AND THERE ARE OTHER COUNTIES THAT WOULD APPLY, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T.

>> IT IS FOR PERMITTED PROJECTS. >> THE ARMY CORP.

VIDEO PROJECT AND VILANO BEACH IS.

>> YOU HAVE TO SPEND IT BY JULY 1, 2024.

>> IF WE ARE ON TRACK, WE ARE TO BE STARTING THIS PROJECT IN THE FIRST QUARTER AND HOPEFULLY FINISH IT BY JULY.

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AND MY RIGHT? >> WE DON'T HAVE TO MATCH

GENERAL FUNDS. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD

SOMETHING? >> HIGH POINT HAS AM ASKING IF

IT WOULD BE SPENT BY JULY 1? >> YES, THEY WOULD BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE RICHLER THIS IS NOT -- LET'S DO EVERYTHING WE WANT.

THE FUNDS WERE TIED FOR THE 12.5% THE FEMA DOES NOT COVER FOR THE STATE DOES NOT COVER. THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, 12.5% TO COVER THE TWO TOGETHER PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING ON STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THIS AND STARTED WORKING WITH DEP AND TRYING TO ALLOW THEM TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE TO ALLOW US TO USE THESE FUNDS NOT JUST FOR THE FEMA PROJECTS BUT FOR OTHER PROJECTS. THAT IS IN THE WORKS.

>> GOOD. >> WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE

NORTH PONTE VEDRA. >> WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE THEM OPEN NET TO RELATED TO DISASTER RECOVERY.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.

>> JOE AND I PROBABLY TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

CAN I GIVE PERSPECTIVE ON DEP? >> AS BRIEFLY AS POSSIBLE.

>> OKAY. WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE BUDGET SURPLUS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. BUDGET IS OVER $100 BILLION.

THE DEP BUDGET HAS DOUBLED FROM 2 BILLION TO 4 BILLION AS A RESULT. BEACH FUNDING HAS GONE FROM 50 MILLION TO 206 MILLION, FOUR TIMES.

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THE REQUEST. >> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR STAFF TO LOOK AT THAT AS A FUNDING SOURCE.

>> WE WILL DO IT. THANK YOU.

>> WE ARE STILL AND PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NON-WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. WE WILL HEAD INTO THE COMMISSIONER'S REPORT. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> I ONLY HAVE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FOR THAT TAX HEARING TONIGHT. I KNOW WE ARE GOING FORWARD WITH WHAT -- TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS, BUT I WOULD LIKE MY GOAL. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS YOUR GOAL, BUT HAVE A BACK NEXT YEAR AND I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON TRYING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT NEXT YEAR.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER ROY ALAIMO? >> THANK YOU.

A WET LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF. WE HAD THE 200TH ANNIVERSARY CEREMONY, THE TREATY OF MOULTRIE CREEK YESTERDAY.

I KNOW THERE IS A LOT THAT GOES INTO PLANNING THAT.

I WANTED TO THANK THE STAFF. A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS, FAC CONFERENCE, IT WAS LAST WEEK. IT WAS GREAT TO GO TO THAT AND SEE COMMISSIONERS FROM AROUND THE STATE AND GET IDEAS.

THERE WAS GREAT FEEDBACK FROM THE CONFERENCE THAT I GOT.

I KNOW THE SAYING OUT LOUD EVENT IS THIS WEEKEND.

THERE'S A LOT THAT IS GONE INTO THAT AND I HOPE IT IS SUCCESSFUL. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP IS THE COLLABORATION WITH THE SCHOOL KNOW THERE'S AN BEGUN THAT. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO REPORT.

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> I WANT -- WITH THEIR PERMISSION, WANT TO ANNOUNCE THAT LOW SLUMBERS OPENING A NEW STORE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

IT WILL BE LOCATED AT U.S. 1 AND CONTEE ROAD 210 JUST WEST OF U.S. 1. 130,000 SQUARE FEET, 300 FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME JOBS I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT NEW LOWE'S CONSTRUCTED AND IT'S A GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOING FORWARD.

THAT IS THAT. SECONDLY, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER AND ROY TOUCHED ON IT AS DID KRISTY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST WE MEET WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WE HAVE A DELEGATION MEETING SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 13. I DO NOT KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO SCHEDULE A MEETING. IT IS DIFFICULT TO SCHEDULE A MEETING WHEN EVERYONE IS FREE. US, SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF. IF WE CAN COME I WOULD LIKE A MEETING BEFORE THE DELEGATION. FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT THE DELEGATION MEETING WAS NOVEMBER 1, BUT I MUST HAVE MISREAD IT.

THE SUBJECT MATTER AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, PRIMARY SUBJECT MATTER WOULD BE TO GET A BRIEFING FROM STAFF ON THIS ISSUE OF THE REQUIREMENT YOU HAD TO BE 50% OVER CAPACITY TO GET -- I WANT TO REPLY TO THE COMMENT EARLIER.

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IT IS THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE. IT IS A STATE LAW.

IT BASICALLY WEIGHS IN ON FUNDING AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO 50% CAPACITY AND APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A SCHOOL.

FUNDING AND APPROVAL. I ASK IS WE MEET WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. WE HAVE A WORKSHOP.

WE COME TO A CONSENSUS AND HOPEFULLY TO GO HAND-IN-HAND TO THE LEGISLATURE, OUR DELEGATION, AND REQUEST THAT LAW BE ELIMINATED OR AMENDED TO ALLOW US TO CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING SURE IT HAS SUFFICIENT CLASSROOMS FOR STUDENTS BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE DON'T REGULATE SCHOOLS, BUT ALL OF US HAVE A INTEREST IN THE CHILDREN'S EDUCATION. THIS COUNTY HAS ADVANCED TOO FAR IN EXCELLENCE IN EDUCATION TO LET IT GO BACKWARDS.

>> WELL SAID. I 100% SUPPORT THE.

THE LAST TIME WE HAD A JOINT MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THAT WE HAD TO DO IT ON A FRIDAY TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY'S SCHEDULES. IS THERE ANY DAY THAT WOULD NETWORK FOR MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD? COULD WE MEET ON A FRIDAY, SPECIAL MEETING?

>> I WILL MEET ON SATURDAY, IF WE HAVE TO.

THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT TO PASS UP.

>> I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. MS. ANDREWS, THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO FROM THE BOARD AND CAN YOU REACH OUT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE WILL MEET ANYWHERE, ANYTIME.

WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE THIS MEETING AND MOVE THE CONVERSATION TOWARDS A SOLUTION.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?

MADAM VICE CHAIR. >> JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I WANT TO APPLAUD OUR STAFF ARE AN POSITIVE AND SUCCESSFUL REDO

OF THE LIBRARY MEETING. >> HERE HERE.

>> I HAVE HEARD NOTHING BUT POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. THEY ARE EXCITED WE CAME BACK OUT AND WE DID IT AGAIN BECAUSE STAFF WAS ON POINT.

THE AUDIENCE WAS CHEERING BY THE END OF IT.

IT WAS THAT WELL RECEIVED. I WANT TO COMMEND THE STAFF FOR THAT. THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.

THE SECOND THING IS TO ENCOURAGE ATTENDANCE AT THE WORLD GOLF THIS LECH TOWN HALL AT 5:30 P.M.

ON SEPTEMBER 27. SEPTEMBER 28, 9:00 A.M.

HERE IN THE AUDITORIUM. THE THIRD THING IS AN UPDATE ON ANY NEIGHBORHOOD OUT OF PUNTER FEATURE, PROVE PRIOR TO MY TIME ON THE BOARD. IT'S BEEN A BIT OF CONTENTION.

TO THE FRIENDS IN DOLPHIN COVE, I HAVE AN UPDATE.

I HAVE TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER AND THEY ARE WORKING ON GETTING THE ARROGATION INSTALLED. IT IS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

PLANT MATERIALS, BEAUTIFUL BUFFER HAS BEEN ORDERED. THE LATEST THEY WILL START PLANTING IS SEPTEMBER 27.

EVEN THOUGH ARROGATION IS NOT INSTALLED, THEY WILL HAND WATER THOSE PLANTS UNTIL IT IS. THAT IS IT.

>> I AM SURE THOSE FOLKS WILL BE RELIEVED TO HEAR THAT.

MY COMMENTS WILL BE BRIEF. I WAS ALSO AT THE COUNTY CONFERENCE. THERE IS ANOTHER LEGISLATIVE CONFERENCE IN NOVEMBER. I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE AS MANY MEMBERS AS POSSIBLE. SOMETHING DISCUSSED ON THE FINAL DAY DURING THE FINAL HOUR OF THIS CONFERENCE, BOTH THE COMMISSIONER AND I ATTENDED. COMMISSIONER DEAN SWAN IN.

HE SITS ON ONE COMMITTEE, WATER AND ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITTEE AND HE GOES OUT THERE AND SITS ON THE STAGE.

NOT ONLY IS HE A GUIDE TEST BUT A GUIDE TO THE WHOLE STATE.

COMMISSIONERS ASKING HIM QUESTIONS AND HE IS REMARKABLE.

AN INCREDIBLE MAN. THE THING THAT CAME UP IS THE PREEMPTION'S THAT WE WILL SEE IN THE UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION. I HAVE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF TO GET A PREVIEW OF THE PREEMPTION SET WILL BE IN THESE BILLS THAT WILL BE MOVING THROUGH THE HOUSE AND SENATE DURING THE UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION. WE'VE GOT TO FIGHT BACK. WE'VE

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I KNOW IT'S NOT A POPULAR OPINION IN TALLAHASSEE, BUT THOSE WHO GOVERN LOCALLY CAN GOVERN THE BEST AND OFTEN TIMES WE FIGHT WITH ONE HAND TIED BEHIND OUR BACK.

WE HAVE TO GET TO TALLAHASSEE AND WORKING WITH THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES TO MAKE OUR VOICES LOUDER TO LET THEM KNOW WE WISH TO GOVERN OURSELVES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. >> I HAVE FOUR THINGS.

THE FIRST ONE IS I AM GOING TO ASK FOR APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD

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PURCHASING DEPARTMENT WAS A DEPARTMENT WITH A DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR BEFORE 2013. THE DIRECTOR RESIGNED AS A RESULT, THE DEPARTMENT WAS FOLDED UNDER THE BUDGET.

AS THE COUNTY HAS GROWN, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS DEPARTMENT HAS -- A DEPARTMENT RATHER THAN A DIVISION UNDER ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. MS. LOCKLEAR HAS A MASTER DEGREE IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION BACHELOR DEGREE IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION. THE BACHELOR DEGREES FROM FLAGLER COLLEGE AND MR. DEGREES FROM BARRY UNIVERSITY.

SINCE 2007, SHE HAS FILLED MANY ROLES IN PURCHASING INCLUDING CONTRACT COORDINATOR, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION MANAGER, SYSTEM PURCHASING MANAGER, PURCHASING MANAGER, MOST RECENTLY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF OMB/ PURCHASING AND CONTRACTS.

SHE HAS DONE EVERYTHING IN PURCHASING.

SINCE 2017, SHE HAS OVERSEEN THE PROCUREMENT, NEGOTIATION, DEVELOPMENT, ADMINISTRATION OF APPROXIMATELY 890 MILLION AND CONTRACTS. SHE ALSO IS VERY DEDICATED TO HER PROFESSIONAL GROWTH. SHE HAS RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE AS A NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENTAL PURCHASING PROCUREMENT PROFESSIONAL AND A CERTIFIED PUBLIC PURCHASING OFFICER AND A CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL PUBLIC BUYER.

RECENT PROJECTS THAT SHE HAS OVERSEEN AND HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SUCCESS OF NEGOTIATION IS COUNTYWIDE STRATEGIC PLAN, ERP CONSULTING CONTRACT, 207, W RF DESIGN AND BUILD AND TODAY APPROVED A CED WITH ALL THE CREDENTIALS THAT MISS LOCKLEAR BRINGS TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY, I AM AFRAID TO LOSER TO ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY. WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET HER BACK TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY BECAUSE WE ARE THE BEST COUNTY.

I AM ASKING THE BOARD'S APPROVAL FOR CONFIRMING MISS LOCKLEAR TO BE THE DIRECTOR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT .

>> DO WE NEED A FORMAL MOTION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE

MISS LOCKLEAR AS THE DIRECTOR? >> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE MISS

LOCKLEAR. >> I WILL SECOND.

>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND.

>> THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE COUNTY

ADMINISTRATORS PROPOSAL. >> I SUPPORT THE NOMINATION AND CONFIRMATION. MY MOM WAS PURCHASING SECRETARY AT THE COLLEGE IN BLACKWOOD, NEW JERSEY.

SHE WAS THE BRAINS AND HELP TO ORGANIZE THE SECRETARIES AND CUSTODIANS INTO A UNION AND THEY GOT PAID FOR THE WEEK THEY WERE ON STRIKE WHICH HAPPENED ONLY ONE TIME IN U.S. LABOR HISTORY. I LEARNED A LOT WHEN SHE WAS PURCHASING SECRETARY. SHE WOULD SAY THIS IS AN INVOICE. SHE WOULD SAY THIS IS A CONTRACT. SHE EXPLAINED SOLE-SOURCE PROCUREMENT. HOUSE SPECIFICATIONS WERE WRITTEN AROUND PARTICULAR BIDDERS TO GIVE CONTRACTS TO PEOPLE. BY THE TIME I WAS IN COLLEGE, SHE REQUESTED A DEMOTION. SHE WAS THE ONLY SECRETARY IN THE HISTORY OF THE COLLEGE TO REQUEST A DEMOTION.

$600 LESS A YEAR, BUT SHE HAD SUMMERS OFF BECAUSE SHE WAS A FACULTY SECRETARY. THE REASON SHE DID THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE CROOKEDNESS IN CONTRACTING.

WE NEED MORE SCRUTINY. THIS NOMINATION AND EVERY OTHER NOMINATION OF SOMEONE TO BE A DIRECTOR NEEDS TO BE ON OUR AGENDA. I HAVE SAID THAT AGAIN AND AGAIN. A SUPPORT THE NOMINATION, BUT I DO NOT SUPPORT THE ABUSE OF PROCESS OF -- IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. IF YOU DO NOT ATTEND THESE MEETINGS, YOU MISS A LOT. STAFF BARRICADES TO ITSELF.

THE SOVIET/CHINESE STYLE OF ONE- PARTY RULES.

THAT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE AGENDA AND BACKUP MATERIAL AND IN THE FUTURE I HOPE THE COMMISSION WILL ACTUALLY RESPECT THE CITIZENS AND VOTERS AND HAVE THINGS LIKE THIS, NOMINATIONS ON THE AGENDA.

HUNTER CONRAD DIDN'T EVEN GO INTO AS MUCH DETAIL AS MS. ANDREWS DID. JUSTICE FRANKFURTER SAID THE HISTORY OF DUE PROCESS, THE HISTORY OF RULE OF LAW AND OUR IS PROCEDURAL SAFEGUARDS. WE NEED TO GO OVER THE RULES AND INCREASE THE PROCEDURAL SAFEGUARDS.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I SUPPORT THE NOMINATION BUT I DO NOT APPRECIATE THE STAFF DOING THIS ALL THE TIME. IT IS NOT THE FIRST TIME, NOT THE SECOND TIME, THIS HAS HAPPENED AT LEAST 108 TIMES. MAYBE NOT THAT MANY.

IT IS WRONG TO DO THAT. SHOWS A LACK OF SELF-RESPECT.

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YOU KNOW WHAT HE SAID. LET'S DO WHAT HE SAID BECAUSE GOVERNMENT OF LAWS WITHOUT RESPECT FOR THE RIGHT TO KNOW IS A PRELUDE TO A FARCE OR TRAGEDY.

>> ANY OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE WERE CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. CONGRATULATIONS MISS LOCKLEAR.

>> THANK YOU. THE NUMBER 2, THREE ITEMS TO DATE IS BECAUSE OF THE DEADLINE.

IT IS RELATED TO THE LOW INCOME PROGRAM FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. FLAGLER HOSPITAL IS THE DESIGNATED PROVIDER OF CHARITY HAIR HEALTH SERVICES TO QUALIFY LOCAL RESIDENTS. ESTATE HAS 2023 GENERAL ACT TO SUPPORT THE PURSUIT -- IN THIS LOW INCOME PROGRAM WHICH I THINK THE BOARD HAS PARTICIPATED IN AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN HERE.

TODAY, I AM ASKING THE BOARD'S APPROVAL TO ALLOW THE COUNTY ON BEHALF OF FLAGLER HOSPITAL ENTRY LETTER OF AGREEMENT WITH AGENCIES FOR HEALTH CARE ADMINISTRATION, A.K.A.

AGA TO ALLOW FOR THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS TO PROVIDE THE CHARITY CARE HEALTH CARE IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $16,516.

>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >> SO MOVE.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

SECOND BY ROY ALAIMO. PLEASE NOTE.

PASSES 5-0. >> THANK YOU.

>> THE NUMBER 3 ITEM AND ITS A FOLLOW UP AND INFORMATIONAL ITEM . ITS INITIATION FROM COMMISSIONER ARNOLD AND DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD TO TASK THE STAFF TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC TO LAUNCH A PUBLIC COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE COMMUNITY OF HASTINGS. TODAY WE HAVE LAUNCHED ST.

JOHNS COUNTY HASTINGS.COM. PUBLIC AFFAIRS UNDER LEADERSHIP OF THIS WEBSITE UP. I WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY

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THANK YOU. >> WHAT A WONDERFUL TOOL.

PEOPLE OF HASTINGS MUST BE THRILLED.

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