Sep 11, 2023 Ponte Vedra Zoning and Adjustment Board

[Call meeting to order]

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>> GOOD MORNING, I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE SEPTEMBER 11TH MEETING OF THE PONTE VEDRA DOING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD. IN LIGHT OF THE HISTORICAL THAT HAPPENED 22 YEARS AGO TODAY, I WOULD LIKE FOR ALL OF US TO STAND FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> JANE CAN WE HAVE A READING OF THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT. >> YES.

THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE BOARD'S AREA OF JURISDICTION, AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED PART OF THE HEARING. SPEAKER CARD IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER AND I UNDERSTAND INSTEAD OF SPEAKER CARDS TODAY THERE IS A LIST FOR YOU TO SIGN.

ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRPERSON.

SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE -- AGAIN WE'RE NOT USING SPEAKER CARDS. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM AND FOR A LENGTHS OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRPERSON WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. IF THEY DO NOT THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY.

IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY, SUCH PERSON MAY NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO 42 YOU'RE THAT THE VERBATIM RECORD IS MADE. WHICH INCLUDES TESTIMONY AND RECORD UPON WHICH IS APPEAL IS MADE. ANY PHYSICAL OR CHARTS PHOTOGRAPHS OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD.

THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD, AGENCY COMMITTEE OR THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OF THE APPEAL RELATING TO THEM. TO THE ITEM.

BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM, THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR DESTINY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THIS BOARD. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED THE BOARD MEMBER SHOULD THEN IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. WE WILL BE RMF RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE AGREE.

[1. Recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners the reappointment of Ms. Megan McKinley to the Ponte Vedra Zoning and Adjustment Board. Ms. Megan McKinley has requested to be reappointed to the Ponte Vedra Zoning and Adjustment Board (PVZAB). Ms. McKinley's term expires September 17, 2023. Ms. McKinley is eligible to serve an additional four year term and requested to be reappointed. The PVZAB members serve at the pleasure of the Board of County Commissioners as the local planning agency for the Ponte Vedra Zoning District and fulfill any other duties and responsibilities as provided in Section XII.B., Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations.]

>> THANK YOU JANE. OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM WILL BE PRESENTED BY TERESA BISHOP.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. CHAIR. AND THIS IS AN AGENDA ITEM TO REAPPOINT MS. MCKINLEY AS A MEMBER OF THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD.

YOU WILL BE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO DO SO. SHE IS ELIGIBLE TO SERVE ANOTHER TOWER YEARS. SHE HAS ASKED TO BE REAPPOINTED IF YOU DO SO.

>> I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND MEGAN MCKINLEY TO ANOTHER TERM TO THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING AND

ADJUSTMENT BOARD. >> SECOND. >> IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE. THANK YOU.

[2. PVZVAR 2023-11 Dykstra Residence. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.N.1.d of the Ponte VedraZoning District Regulations to allow for a ten (10) foot wall in lieu of the six (6) foot requirement in R-1-Bzoning.]

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>> I HAVE DRIVEN BY THE PROPERTY AND I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO ANYONE. >> I VISITED THE SITE AND HAVE

NOT SPOKEN WITH ANYONE. >> I VISITED THE SITE AND NOT SPOKEN TO ANYONE.

>> I VISTAED THE SITE SPOKEN TO THE APPLICANT. >> I HAVE VISITED THE SITE AND

NOT SPOKEN WITH ANYONE. >> I HAVE NOT VISITED THE SITE UNDER NOT SPOKEN TO ANYONE.

>> I HAVE NOT VISITED THE SITE NOR HAVE I SPOKEN TO ANYONE. >> MS. DYKSTRA YOU CAN MAKE YOUR

PRESENTATION AND WOULD YOU START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> SURE.

GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU, MY NAME IS REBECCA DYKSTRA, I'M HERE WITH MY HUSBAND ANDY. WE ARE AT 888 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD AND WE ARE APPLYING FOR RELIEF FROM SECTION 8, SUBSECTION N REGARDING FENCES AND WALLS.

IN OUR AREA JUST SOUTH OF SAWGRASS, THE CODE SAYS WE CAN HAVE SIX FEET FOR THE FENCE, FOR A WALL AND THEN A POST OR COLUMN, SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE WOCOULD BE UP TO EIGHT FEET.

SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR RELIEF THERE TODAY. FROM TODAY.

AND I INCLUDED I KNOW WITH BRANDON WHO HAS BEEN AMAZING PICTURES WHICH I KNOW YOU'VE ALSO SEEN SO I JUST -- THIS SHOWS OUR -- THE SIDE OF OUR HOUSE AND THIS IS THE -- RIGHT HERE IS THE WALL IN QUESTION. AND YOU CAN SEE, IT'S LOWER ON THE SIDES AND THEN IT COMES TO A POINT RIGHT THERE, WHICH I GUESS WOULD BE TO CONSIDER ADDING APOST OR A COLUMN, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF FEATURE IS THAT? IT'S NOT -- I DON'T VIEW IT AS A FULL WALL THAT'S THAT HEIGHT.

IT'S GOT DIFFERENT HEIGHTS THERE TO CONSIDER. AND THEN THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE STREET. AND YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, THERE IS ALREADY ALL THE FOLIAGE GROWING AND THOSE TREES, THOSE BUSHES ARE ONLY, I DON'T KNOW, LESS THAN A YEAR OLD, A YEAR OLD MAYBE. SO ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO THEY WILL BE AT LEAST TEN FEET TALL, FOR PLANNING. SO OUR WALL IS -- IF THE STRUCTURE IS JUST OVER THE BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE THEN IT IS SUBJECT TO THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.

WE ARE UNAWARE OF THAT. LET ME RAISE THAT. YES.

WE WERE UNAWARE OF THAT WHEN WE STARTED THE CONSTRUCTION. AS SOON AS WE GOT THE NOTICE WE HAVE NOT TOUCHED IT OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS WHILE WE WERE WAITING FOR APPROVAL.

SO WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WAS A PROBLEM. SO AS SOON AS WE KNEW THAT WE STOPPED AND HAVE WAITED FOR TODAY. THE MEASUREMENTS OFTEN MY PRESENTATION WERE MEASURED FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE WALL. THE ESTABLISHED GREAT ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND THEN ALSO IN THE PICTURES WHICH I'LL GET TO NEXT, I GUESS I'M PUT THOSE UP WHILE WE TALK. SO THE PROPERTY SLOPES A BIT FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK.

SO I HAVE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS THE DIMENSION, THE HEIGHTS BASED ON A COUPLE DIFFERENT GRADES. JUST I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS, FROM THE BASE GRADE BUT I INCLUDED OTHER MEASUREMENTS FOR PERSPECTIVE. SO THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL FROM THE GARAGE WHICH YOU CAN SEE AT THE FRONT, IF YOU MEASURED IT THERE FROM THAT IT WITH WOULD B5 INCHES WHICH IS SLIGHTLY OVER THE LIMIT FOR THE POST OR COLUMN BUT NOT TOO BAD AND THE LOW POINT OF THE WALL ACTUALLY IS IN COMPLIANCE IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE GRADE FROM THE GARAGE BECAUSE THAT IS 69 INCHES WHICH IS LESS THAN SIX FEET. SO THEN AS THE PROPERTY SLOPES FROM FRONT TO BACK, OBVIOUSLY WE PICK UP THE GRADE GOES DOWN SO THEN THE WALL APPEARS TALLER.

SO AT THAT LEVEL, BACK HERE, AT THE OUTSIDE BASE OF THE WALL, THERE, THAT'S THE MEASUREMENT WHERE WE GOT THE 120 INCHES. AND THE 84 INCHES. SO SEVEN FEET AND TEN FEET WHEN

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SO I THINK OUR HARDSHIP HERE IS JUST BECAUSE OF THE GRADE CHANGE AND THE APPEARANCE OF IT.

AND ALSO, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY PRIVACY FROM THE STREET AT THAT ANGLE.

THAT'S WHY WE APPLIED FOR THIS. AND OUR LOT IS VERY SHALLOW, SO WE DON'T -- THE WETLANDS ARE BEHIND US, THERE IS NOWHERE TO GO EVEN THOUGH WE GLO GO BACK TT DIRECTION.

THAT IS HOW WE GOT THOSE MEASUREMENTS. AND THEN I INCLUDED, THIS IS THE REAR, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, TRY NOT TO MAKE I.T. TOO CONFUSING BUT IT IS HARD TO DO THIS.

I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL SO I DID THE BEST I COULD. SO ANYWAY THIS IS HOW IT LOOKS FROM THE BACK. AND THE GRADE HERE IS -- THIS IS THE GARAGE GRADE RIGHT HERE.

TIS LINE. SO THOSE MEASUREMENTS, 120 ACTUALLY GOOD HERE WOULD ONLY -- FROM HERE WOULD -- THIS WOULD BE 105 RIGHT THERE. IF YOU MEASURE FROM HERE.

120 GOES DOWN TO HERE. THE OUTSIDE OF THE WALL. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

SO BASICALLY WE ARE ASKING FOR RELIEF FROM THE CURRENT REGULATIONS TO ALLOW THE WALL TO STAY AT THE CURRENT HEIGHT. WE THINK THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND LOCATION AND THE GRADE CHANGE FROM FRONT TO BACK AND THE LANDSCAPING MAKE IT VERY UNOBTRUSIVE.

WE DON'T BELIEVE IT IS GOING TO BE CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST AND WE DID RECEIVE SEVERAL SUPPORTING LETTERS FROM OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS FROM BOTH SIDES AND A FEW OTHER NEIGHBORS NEARBY SUPPORTED OR SENT IN LETTERS AND WE CON DON'T BELIEVT IS CONTRARY TO THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE, EARNLG FEATURE THAT ADDS TO THES THETIC AND KEEPING WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> RICH, ANY QUESTIONS?

JOHN? >> QUESTION WAS THERE A PERMIT PULLED FOR THE WALL, THE

STRUCTURE. >> NO. AS I STATED EARLIER WE DON'T BELIEVE WE NEEDED THAT. WE WERE TOLD BY OUR BUILDER THAT WE DIDN'T NEED THAT.

WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS OUT OF COMPLIANCE. >> DO YOU KNOW BY ANY CHANCE, THE WALL IS FAIRLY HEAVY WALL, CONCRETE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SUBSTANCE

OF THE WALL IS? >> ALSO CONCRETE BLOCK. >> DOES THAT GO TO A SPREAD

FOOTER DO YOU KNOW? >> NO, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, IT'S NOT LIKE ATTACHED TO THE

FOUNDATION IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? >> YES OR THE POOL FOUNDATION OR

THE WALK. >> MIGHT BE ATTACHED TO THE POOL FOUNDATION BUT DEFINITELY NOT THE HOUSE. BECAUSE THE WALKWAY -- THIS WAS ADDED -- THIS WAS ADDED LATER.

THIS WALKWAY HERE. THIS WAS ADDED LATER, AFTER. >> IS THAT A MASONRY WALL

FOUNDATION? >> THIS RIGHT HERE? >> THE WALKWAY, YEAH.

>> NO, JUST BLOCK. >> BLOCK, OKAY. AND ALSO --

>> I'M SORRY I DON'T KNOW ALL THE TECHNICAL TERMS. >> YOUR ANSWER -- OKAY.

SO EFFECTIVE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WALL THERE WERE NO INSPECTIONS BY A

STRUCTURAL ENGINEER OR BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? >> NO.

I BELIEVE -- WELL THE POOL WAS -- ALL THAT WAS PERMITTED AND INSPECTED AND EVERYTHING.

SO THIS -- I MEAN THIS WAS ALL INSPECTED, THAT WAS ALL APPROVED.

AND THEN THIS GOES OUT TO THAT WALKWAY RIGHT HERE. >> YEP.

>> SO HONESTLY I DON'T KNOW IN THE PROCESS WHEN THEY ATTACHED THAT WALKWAY BUT YOU CAN SEE THE WALL IS LIKE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THIS. IT DOESN'T SIT OFTEN THE POOL

DECK. >> DOES NOT SIT ON THE POOL DECK.

>> YEAH. >> WHICH APPEARS THERE IS A RETAINING WALL BETWEEN YOU AND

THE SWARCHL. >> AND THE GRASS. >> AND THERE IS NO POOL FENCE TO

THE BACKYARD BECAUSE YOU'RE ADJACENT TO A WETLANDS? >> WE DO HAVE A BABY GATE.

I TOOK IT DOWN FOR THE PICTURES. >> OKAY. >> YEAH IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU ZOOM IN THERE'S THE LITTLE HOLES, YOU CAN SEE THEM HERE AND THERE IS A GATE RIGHT THERE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? >> YES, EXACTLY. >> SO THE FENCE, THE BABY GATE,

THE BLACK GOES ALONG HERE. >> OKAY. >> AND THEN ON THE OTHER -- THE

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THIRD SIDE. >> OKAY LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE, WHERE YOU SHOW THE 20 INCHES FROM THE 20 INCH HEIGHT, TOP OF THAT DECK TO THE TOP OF THE WALL RIGHT THERE, IS THAT ALSO 69 INCHES? NEXT TO THE -- APPEARS TO BE A PLANTER OR A VASE.

>> OKAY, SO THERE FROM HERE TO S 69. >> OTHER END OF THE WALL.

>> HERE? >> OVER THAT WAY. BY WHERE THE VASE IS.

>> OH SO HERE. SO HERE TO HERE WOULD BE 69 ALSO.

AND THEN YOU WOULD ADD 20. >> OKAY. >> TO THAT.

SO THAT WOULD BE 89. THAT'S WHAT I HAD, RIGHT? >> YEP.

>> YES OR -- OR 84. >> HERE'S BOTH ENDS OF THE SAME HEIGHT.

JUST WANTED TO VERIFY. >> THEY ARE -- YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, SO THAT WOULD BE 69 HERE.

RIGHT? AND THEN PLUS 20. >> OKAY.

>> AND AGAIN IT SLOPES DOWN MORE FROM THIS CORNER, IT GOES DOWN OUT THERE.

SO -- I DIDN'T HAVE IT PROFESSIONALLY SURVEYED AGAIN. I JUST -- I TRIED MY BEST TO

FIGURE IT OUT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> SURE.

>> RICH. >> HELLO. KIND OF CURIOUS.

WHEN I DROVE BY THERE YESTERDAY, IT JUST SEEMED SO MASSIVE FOR THE PURPOSE YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. I THINK YOU WOULD JUST HAVE BETTER LUCK IF YOU ARE USING SOME TYPE OF VEGETATION WITH THE ARCH THAT THE VINES GROW OVER THE TOP.

AND I'M ASSUMING THIS IS NOT FOR ANY KIND OF WATER SURGE COMING OFF THE OCEAN OR ANYTHING? BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF WHAT IT'S BUILT FOR. AND I JUST FEEL IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE MORE LIGHTER MATERIAL TO BUFFER THAT CORNER. IT JUST LOOKS SO HARD.

I MEAN LOOKS LIKE IT'S KIND OF THE CORNER OF THE ELEMENT RIGHT THERE.

AND IT'S JUST A SIMPLE WALKWAY. >> RIGHT. SO IT DOES -- I AGREE IT DOES LOOK A BIT HARSH RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE IT'S CONCRETE BLOCK. AND SO THIS IS NOT ATTRACTIVE, I AGREE WITH YOU. IT WILL BE STUCCOED IF IT IS APPROVED IT WILL BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE HOUSE. AND THEN THESE POTOCARPUS HERE THEY ARE GOING TO GROW TO TEN TO 15 FEET, HOPEFULLY 15 TO 20 FEET. IN A YEAR OR TWO THOSE BUSHES ARE GOING TO BE UP TO HERE. THAT'S THE GOAL. RIGHT THERE.

SO I AGREE WITH YOU, THE CURRENT STATE IS NOT ATTRACTIVE 100%. AND THEN YOUR OTHER COMMENT, IT'S NOT FOR ANY PURPOSE OF LIKE WATER INTRUSION. NOT RELATED TO THAT.

>> YEAH. >> AND SO IT WILL LOOK MUCH BETTER AND IT IS AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ELEMENT IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO LIKE ROSEMARY BEACH OR ALICE BEACH THEY HAVE SMALL COURTYARD POOLS WITH THIS TYPE OF WALL. SO IT IS A DESIGN ELEMENT THAT WE CAME UP WITH WITH OUR DESIGNER AND THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE THAT.

AND THAT'S WHY IT ALSO DOESN'T GO STRAIGHT ACROSS. >> YEAH, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE MUCH BETTER LUCK IF YOU WERE USING VEGETATION AS YOUR PRIVACY SCREEN.

OBVIOUSLY I DON'T THINK THAT'S A SECURITY SCREEN, JUST REALLY PRIVACY.

AND YOU COULD PUT BO BOUGANVILLA THAT WOULD FORM OVER THE TOM, YOU COULD HAVE A MUCH PRETTIER SOLUTION RATHER THAN GOING WITH THIS MASSIVE CONCRETE AND BLOCK AROUND STUCCO CORNER, THAT'S

JUST MY OPINION. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

SO I WOULD -- I JUST DID SOME CALCULATIONS HERE AND I WANT TO JUST CONFIRM WITH YOU.

SO 120, THE HIGH POINT OF THE WALL, THAT'S THE OUTSIDE ESTABLISHED.

BUT EVEN IF WE USE THE GARAGE FOR ESTHETIC PURPOSES LIKE FROM THE GARAGE TO THE TOP OF THAT STRUCTURE, THEN THAT WOULD STILL BE ALMOST THREE FEET HIGHER THAN A 72-INCH ALLOWED AT THE GRAM TO THE TOP OF THE WALL. -- GARAGE TO THE TOP OF THE WALL.

SO 72 INCHES, CORRECT? >> RIGHT. >> SO EVEN IF WE USE THE GARAGE

BECAUSE OF ESTHETIC REASONS LOOKING FROM THE STREET. >> RIGHT.

>> YOUR YARD DOES SLOPE DOWN WHICH IS DIFFERENT. SO IF WE LOOK AT THE GARAGE AND THEN GO UP SIX FEET FROM THERE, THAT WOULD STILL BE ALMOST THREE FEET HIGHER RIGHT?

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>> TO THIS POINT. >> TO WHAT'S ALLOWED. FOR THE ENTIRE WALL THE HIGH

POINT OF THE WALL. >> RIGHT, AND AGAIN -- >> IT'S NOT REALLY A COLUMN.

I DON'T CONSIDER IT A COLUMN JUST SO YOU KNOW. >> RIGHT AND THAT'S -- SO

HOWEVER YOU ARE DEFINING IT, IF IT IS A POST COLUMN OR -- >> I DO THAT CORRECTLY, THREE FEET ABOVE, WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED FROM THE GAR GARAGE LEVL ESTHETICALLY, IS THAT RIGHT? I'M TRYING TO CONVERT TO TALK APPLES TO APPLES, WE COULD SEE VISUALLY WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK

LIKE. >> GARAGE LEVEL THIS IS JUST UNDER SIX FEET THIS CORNER AND

THIS WOULD BE -- >> RIGHT, THE LOW POINT OF THE WALL IS AT THE GARAGE AT OR BELOW THE SIX FEET. AND THEN THERE'S ALMOST THREE FEET ABOVE THAT.

CORRECT? >> YES. >> OKAY.

>> APPROXIMATELY. RIGHT? YES BECAUSE IT'S -- YEAH, 36,

YEAH THAT'S RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU, THAT WAS MY QUESTION, THANK YOU.

>> I THINK MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. TELL ME, I WOULD AGREE THAT THIS LOT IS UNIQUE IN THE SLOPE, IN THE CHARACTERISTIC RIGHT? IF WE LOOK AT MOST OF THE LOTS ON PONTE VEDRA THAT ARE NOT ON THE BOULEVARD THEY ARE NOT SLOPING DOWN TO A MARSH.

SO STRICT INTERPRETATION TO HIGHEST ADJACENT GRADE OR NORMAL ADJACENT GRADE WOULD BE PROBABLY UNFAIR FROM A PERSPECTIVE. BUT I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH JANE IN THAT IF I TAKE IT OFF THE GARAGE WHICH I THINK IS A FAIR MEASURING POINT, IS THERE SOME SORT OF EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE FOR THIS? IS THERE -- HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DESIGN GOAL FOR THIS

WAS, MAYBE. >> JUST TO HAVE -- SO IF YOU GO FROM THAT POINT, I MEAN WE START HERE, JUST -- I YOU KNOW JUST DO A STRAIGHT ACROSS IS OKAY, RIGHT? I MEAN THAT WOULD BE A WALL. DEFINITELY OF A WALL. BUT WITH NO ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST, NO FEATURE. AND THEN TO TRY TO DO A -- DO THIS SAME KIND OF FEATURE IF YOU WENT DOWN TO LIKE FOUR FEET THEN COME UP THEN YOU'RE KIND OF LOSING THE PRIVACY.

RIGHT? SO THAT COULD BE AN OPTION. THE -- LET'S SEE, WHERE'S MY OTHER PICTURE? SO THERE HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'D BE -- I THINK REALLY GETTING THAT ARCH IS WHAT MAKES IT UNIQUE AND AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE AS OPPOSED TO JUST HAVING A WALL. SO I KNOW THAT'S SIX FEET AND AGAIN I GUESS IT GOES BACK TO WHAT MS. RONLT ROLLINSON SAID AA POSTER COLUMN RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS THE ACTUAL WALL, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT WOULD COME DOWN HERE AND IT WOULD JUST BE STRAIGHT.

SO -- WHICH I THINK LOSES A LOT, RIGHT? ONCE THIS IS ALL DONE, STUCCO, PAINTED IT'S GOING TO LOOK AMAZING AND HAVE A GATE, YOU KNOW WE'LL HAVE NOT THE BABY GATE THERE ANYMORE. THAT WILL HAVE A FEATURE GATE IN HERE.

SO. IT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE, I THINK IT ADDS TO THE HOUSE.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A CONCRETE BLOCK WALL BLOCKING OFF. ADDS VISUAL INTEREST FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WALKING, BIKING, DRIVING DOWN THE STREET. SO THAT'S WHY WE DID IT.

>> CHIP, ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. >> MY QUESTION IS, WITH THAT ARCHWAY, I MEAN IF YOU'RE AT THAT SIX FOOT ABOVE THE GARAGE GRADE, IF YOU CAME STRAIGHT ACROSS YOU WOULD BANG YOUR HEAD. SO YOU KIND OF HAVE TO GET YOUR ARCHWAY UP RIGHT?

>> EITHER LIKE I SAY YOU WOULD HAVE TO EITHER DO A STRAIGHT WALL, WHICH IS KIND OF BORING, OR -- YEAH BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT ARCH. YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING IT TO BE A PART OF THE WALL AND NOT A POST OR A COLUMN, THEN IT

WOULD HAVE TO BE AT THE SIX FEET. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO JUST AS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, I KNOW THAT YOU CAME BEFORE US FOR A VARIANCE TO BUILD THIS HOUSE BEFORE IT WAS CONSTRUCTED. AND I KNOW THAT YOU BUILT THE HOUSE TO THE NORTH OF IT. SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

ON THIS LAND. AND ONE OF OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A VARIANCE IS, WE HAVE TO

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SO DO YOU HAVE A RELEVANT HARDSHIP? >> I THINK JUST WHAT WE STATED EARLIER, THE SLOPE OF THE LAND FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK, AND THEN ADDING PRIVACY IN AN ARCHITECTURAL WAY TO THE BACK. SINCE IT IS EXPOSED TO THE STREAMS.

>> YOU'RE NEXT DOOR TO A THREE STORY HOUSE SO THAT WALL WILL NOT PROVIDE PRIVACY FROM ANYBODY

ON THE SECOND OR THE THIRD STORY. >> RIGHT.

BUT IF THEY'RE IN THEIR YARD, THEN -- >> THEN THE SIX FOOT WALL MOST PEOPLE, THEIR EYES ARE NOT ABOVE SIX FEET. I WOULD SAY BY AND LARGE YOU HAVE NOT DEMONSTRATED THE NEED TO HAVE A WALL OF THIS HEIGHT. YOU CAN HAVE SIX FEET FROM THE GARAGE LIKE MY FOAM BOARD MEMBERS SAY, WILL HAVE A -- UNLESS YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE A

HARDSHIP THAT'S -- >> SIX FEET THERE HERE AND THEN THIS IS NOT -- THAT IS NOT A POST OR A COLUMN. THAT'S -- YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD JUST BE STRAIGHT.

>> THE WALL IS SIX -- THAT'S THE LIMIT OF THE HEIGHT OF WHAT YOU CAN HAVE, IF YOU WANT TO PUT A POST IN THE CORNER WITH A LIGHT FIXTURE OR SOMETHING ON IT YOU WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE DESIGN.

BUT A WALL OF THIS DESIGN DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS. SO -- AND I DON'T SEE A

HARDSHIP. >> OKAY. YEAH I MEAN I --

>> IS THAT A QUESTION FOR STAFF? >> STAFF, WHAT WOULD THE ACTUAL MEASUREMENT BE OR WHERE WOULD

THE MEASUREMENT POINT BE FOR THIS? >> SO WHEN WE MEASURE BRANDON TIRADO, PLANNING STAFF. WHEN WE MEASURED THE HEIGHTS OF THE WALLS WE HAVE TO MEASURE FROM THE LOWEST POINT FROM THE EXTERIOR OF THAT WALL. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY MEASURING AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE THAT'S PRESENTED, IT HAS THEIR WALKWAY 15 INCHES ABOVE ESTABLISHED GRADE. SO WHEN WE MEASURE WE MEASURE FROM GRADE IN THIS INSTANCE BECAUSE THAT WALL IS RIGHT ON THE EXTERIOR, AS YOU CAN, OPPOSED TO THAT IF YOU LOOK OVER TO THE CLOSER SIDE WHERE THAT WALL IS TOUCHING THE BUILDING MEASURED FROM THE WALKWAY BECAUSE THAT IS THE GRADE FROM THE EXTERIOR OF THAT WALL. SO THAT WALL IN ITS I BELIEVE MS. DYKSTRA YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT IS THE 69 INCH?

>> YES, THIS ONE IS THE -- RIGHT THERE, YES, THAT'S COUNCIL INCHES.

>> SO THAT WOULD BE 69 INCHES IF YOU LOOK ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WHERE THAT WALL YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE WALKWAY AS IT GOES BACK AND THE GRADE KIND OF GOES BACK WE ARE REALLY MEASURING FROM THE TOP OF THAT WALL DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE GRADE NOT THE ACTUAL WALKWAY.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET THE 120 INCHES IN THIS INSTANCE. >> THANK YOU.

>> MAY I ADD SOMETHING, I THINK THE INTENT OF OUR CODE IS ABOUT ESTHETICALLY PLEASING.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS HOUSE FROM THE STREET I WOULD SAY MOST PEOPLE WOULD THINK THE GRADE LEVEL WAS THE BOTTOM OF THE GARAGE. SO I WOULD BE WILLING TO ALLOW THE SIX FEET FROM THAT GRADE VERSUS THE OUTSIDE. BECAUSE I THINK THE UNIQUE FEATURE OF THE PROPERTY WHICH CAUSES A HARDSHIP IS THE SLOPE DOWN ON THE OUTSIDE.

SO I WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT, SIX FEET FROM THAT GARAGE LEVEL GRADE, WOULD APPROVE THAT VARIANCE.

>> MS. DYKSTRA, YOU'RE HEARING THE COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONSIDER CHANGING YOUR VARIANCE REQUEST TO SIX FOOT FROM THE WALKWAY

MEASUREMENT? >> RIGHT. SO IF WE DO THAT, THEN YOU CAN

EITHER APPROVE THE CHANGE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, OR IF - >> WELL IT WOULDN'T BE WALKWAY

IT WOULD BE GARAGE. >> GARAGE MEASUREMENT, THAT IS THE REASONABLE MEASUREMENT YES.

>> SO IF WE AMEND THIS IN PROGRESS AND THEN YOU WOULD VOTE ON IT IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE

SAYING? >> WELL I THINK THAT THE MESSAGE IS THAT THE OVER WHOLE STRUCTURN

ONLY BE SIX FEET TALL FROM THE GRADE OF THE GARAGE. >> RIGHT.

>> IF SHE PROPOSED IT AS A GARAGE. OTHERWISE IT IS GOING DOWN,

WHAT, 24 INCHES. >> YES, I WOULD -- THAT MAKES SENSE.

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IF THERE'S NO CONNECTION ACROSS THE TOP? >> THE POSTS ARE GENERALLY

INCLUDED ARCHITECTURALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A GATE. >> RIGHT.

>> SO MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A GATE HERE. >> CORRECT.

>> AND SO THAT WOULD BE -- YOUR GATE WOULD BE BETWEEN THE POSTS OR THE GATE ITSELF COULD BE CURVED AT THE TOP, IT COULD BE TALLER. SO YOU COULD HAVE SIX FEET AND

YOU COULD HAVE A CURVED GATE. >> THEN THE GATE IS ALLOWED TO BE EIGHT FEET TALL RIGHT?

>> SORRY? >> THE GATE IS ALLOWED TO BE EIGHT FEET.

IS. >> THE TOP OF THE POSTS. >> AND THE GATE IN BETWEEN.

>> JUST IMAGINE THAT YOU CUT OFF YOUR WALL TO SIX FEET AND THEN BETWEEN THE -- AND THE ENTRY WAY

YOU HAVE A GATE WITH A ROUNDED TOP THAT GOES UP TO EIGHT FEET. >> AND YOU HAVE COLUMNS ON

EITHER SIDE OF IT. >> YOU COULD HAVE COLUMNS. IT MIGHT NOT -- YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO HAVE, SHE MIGHT NOT WANT TO HAVE COLUMNS. THEY MIGHT NOT LOOK ESTHETICALLY

PLEASING. >> I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OH YOU'RE SAYING YOU COULD HAVE A

DOOR THAT -- A GATE THAT GOES UP TO EIGHT FEET. >> A SOLID GATE.

>> WHICH WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT DO THAT. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE

LIKE -- >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO DESIGN THAT NOW.

>> I'M JUST SHOWING, JUST SO WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE -- HOW DO I DO IT BRANDON IF I -- OH HERE.

THIS ONE? I JUST WANT TO SHOW THIS. >> JUST DRAW IT ON A P.P.P.

PIECE OF PAPER AND THEN WE CAN PUT IT ON. >> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO DO, YEAH. OH. SO VERY ROUGH SO THIS WOULD BE YOUR SIX FOOT AT THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE, THIS IS JUST SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

>> YES. >> AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE A POST OF SOME SORT HERE UP TO

EIGHT FEET. >> CREDIBILITY. >> AND THEN HERE?

>> RIGHT. AND THEN BEHIND THAT YOU COULD PUT GOING TO THE BACK IT WOULD

BE SIX FEET AGAIN. >> THAT WOULD BE SIX FEET. >> YES.

>> AND WE COULD HAVE WHATEVER TYPE GATE, RIGHT? >> YES.

>> IN THERE. IS WHAT YOU -- OKAY. >> OR YOU COULD HAVE THE POST

LOWER AND THE GATE WOULD GO UP TO EIGHT FEET. >> OR -- OKAY.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT GATE FOR ALL INTENTS AND

PURPOSES WOULD ALSO GO UP TO EIGHT FOOT. >> IF WE WANTED IT, RIGHT,

GOTCHA. >> HERE ARE YOU WATCHING THE PEOPLE PRESSING TO SPEAK?

ON YOUR COMPUTER? >> YOURS IS LIT UP. >> IF I COULD SAY.

I THINK A -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REGULATIONS ON CONCRETE, STONE, WOOD, VINYL.

BUT WE REALLY DON'T IN THE COUNTY, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, HAVE ANY RESTRICTION ON VEGETATION. YOU COULD PUT A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF VEGETATION IN THAT CORNER, THEY COULD PUT THAT IN THERE PROBABLY IN ONE DAY. YOU ALREADY HAVE YOUR ARCH.

YOU HAVE A LITTLE METAL FENCE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE FENCE HAS TO BE FOUR FEET.

IF IT DOES, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A MUCH MORE BEAUTIFUL CORNER THERE THAN THIS ELABORATE CONCRETE STRUCTURE. AND LIKE I SAY, WE HAVE NO RESTRICTION ON THE VEGETATION.

YOU COULD BASICALLY START IT FOUR FEET, FIVE FEET, SIX FEET, YOU COULD PROBABLY GO UP TO 6 TO TEN FEET, AN YOU'RE GETTING SO MUCH MORE. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR PRIVACY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR WATER INTRUSION, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR SECURITY.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR PURE PRIVACY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT THROUGH VEGETATION THAT CAN GROW TO TEN, 12 FEET HIGH. AND SOMEBODY COULD COME IN THERE, PLANT ALL THAT AND THEN CAMP YOU A NICE -- CAMP Y CARVE YOU A NICE ARCHWAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO WITH SIX FOOT I FOOT TWO FEET HERE. TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD SITUATION FOR YOU.

>> YES, I THINK WE WOULD COMBINE THAT WITH WHAT WE WERE SAYING, WE WOULD HAVE THE LANDSCAPING

HERE THAT WILL GROW OVER SIX FEET. >> WILL COVER IT YES.

>> THIS SECTION HERE HAS THE WALKWAY AND PAVERS THERE SO WE CAN'T PLANT ANYTHING THERE.

IT HAS TO BE TOWARDS THE FRONT. BUT WE WILL BE PLANTING STUFF ON THIS SIDE.

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OR A GOOD INTERPRETATION. >> ON YOUR DRAWING, MISS, WHAT YOU PROPOSED IS AFFIRM EASY TO DO WITH A CONCRETE SAW. SO IT WOULD BE FAIRLY EASY AND YOU COULD KEEP THE REMAINING,

THE STRUCTURE THAT'S ALREADY THERE IN PLACE THERE. >> RIGHT.

>> AND ADD VEGETATION AS YOU WANT. >> YES.

SO AND WE'RE SAYING THIS IS THE GARAGE LEVEL, RIGHT? >> YES.

>> SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING YOU IS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO AMEND YOUR REQUEST TO ALLOW SIX FEET AND EIGHT FEET, SIX FEET FOR A WALL, EIGHT T FEET FOR THE -- WHAT DO YOU CALL THEM?

>> POSTS. >> POSTS FROM THE GARAGE GRADE WOULD YOU LIKE TO AMEND YOUR

REQUEST? >> YES. >> I WANT TO ADD, CHIP DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? SORRY CHIP. I'M SORRY, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A

MOTION THEN? >> AND WE COULD RETAIN THE DRAWING.

>> THESE ARE VERY TECHNICAL. >> THE DRAWING GETS RETAINED. PUT A DATE ON IT, SIGN IT AND

DATE IT PLEASE. >> JANE WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> YES I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PVZAR 202311 DYKSTRA RESIDENCY AMENDED TO ALLOW A SIX FOOT FENCE AND EIGHT FOOT POSTS FROM THE GARAGE GRADE OF THEIR HOME.

>> SECOND IT. >> ALL IN FAVOR? >> WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OH SORRY. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? >> I'M SORRY DO WE NEED TO MENTION THAT THE GATE IS INCLUDED IN THE POSTS OR IS THAT AN AMENDMENT?

>> THE GATE'S A STANDARD. >> BY CODE. >> OKAY.

SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, CAN WE VOTE? OKAY.

THE VARIANCE HAS BEEN GRANTED AS READ. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COUNTY STAFF. JUST AS A CITIZEN, WORKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WHICH I'VE ALSO DONE BEFORE, THE STAFF IS AMAZING.

RETURNS PHONE CALLS, E-MAILS, WANTED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD TOO THAT THIS STAFF IS REALLY GREAT.

WE'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE THEM AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE TOO.

>> THANK YOU. I FORGOT TO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING I FORGOT TO ASK IF

[3. PVZVAR 2023-12 Burke Residence. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.I of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations to allow the height for a second story porch addition to be 46 feet 6 inches in lieu of the 35 foot maximum height limit within in the R-1-B zoning district.]

SEEING THAT NONE, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA WHICH IS A REQUEST FOR A ZONING VARIANCE TO SECTION VIII.I OF THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS TO ALLOW THE HEIGHT FOR A SECOND STORY PORCH ADDITION TO BE 46 FEET 6 INCHES IN LIEU OF THE 35 FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT LIMIT WITHIN IN THE R-1-B ZONING DISTRICT. IT IS PVZVAR 2023-12, THE BURKE RESIDENCE. I WILL ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS IF THEY HAVE VISITED THE SITE AND

TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT? >> I HAVE DRIVEN BY THE PROPERTY.

AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO NO ONE. >> SAME HERE. >> I'VE THOUGHT DRIVEN BY THE PROPERTY AND -- I'VE NOT DRIVEN BY THE PROPERTY AND I'VE NOT SPOKEN TO ANYONE.

>> I VISITED THE SITE AND TALKED TO THE OWNER AND SAW WHERE THE PILINGS ARE GOING IN THE BACK.

>> I VISITED THE SITE. I DID NOT SPEAK WITH ANYONE. >> I VISITED THE SITE AND DID

NOT SPEAK WITH ANYONE. >> I DID NOT VISIT THE SITE NOR SPEAK WITH ANYONE.

>> ALL RIGHT. IF THE APPLICANT CAN STATE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN YOU

CAN -- >> I'M BRIAN SPARR I'M PRESENTING FOR THE APPLICANT,

424 -- >> COULD YOU SPEAK UP ABOUT. >> 424 PEREGRINE COURT JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. SO I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S LOOKED AT THIS.

THIS HAS EVERYTING TO DO WITH THE WAY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT INTERPRETS THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE. SO JUST WANT TO GET IT OUT OF THE WAY THAT THEY ARE NOT RAISING THEIR ROOF. THE HOUSE WILL STAY EXACTLY THE SAME.

I WANT TO PUT THIS CROSS SECTION UP BECAUSE I THINK IT ILLUSTRATES PERFECTLY WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. SO THEY HAVE EIGHT TO TEN FEET BEHIND THEIR HOUSE.

SO THERE'S -- AND THEN A LARGE BULKHEAD, HIGH BULKHEAD. REALLY HAVE NO ROOM TO ADD ON TO THE BACK OF THEIR HOUSE WITHOUT GOING OVER THE WETLANDS, WHICH I RECEIVED PERMITS FROM THE BP TO DO THAT. FOR ACTUALLY A MUCH BIGGER STRUCTURE THAN THEY ARE GOING TO

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SO IN REALITY, THE COVERED PORCH WILL BE 26 AND A HALF FEET FROM THE EXISTING GRADE OF THE HOUSE.

BUT SINCE YOU MEASURE IT FROM THE WETLAND ELEVATION, IT'S NOW 46 FEET.

SO THE BURKES ARE ASKING FOR RELIEF FROM THE REGULATIONS FOR THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION.

BUT THEY'RE REALLY NOT EXTENDING, THEY'RE REALLY NOT BUILDING ABOVE THE HOUSE, ABOVE THE REQUIREMENT. SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. YOU SEE IT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 16 BY 20. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A RUN DOWN OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.

AGAIN, THE HOUSE IS NOT BEING RAISED UP. THAT WILL REMAIN THE SAME.

THESE ARE THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT, OR LETTERS OF SUPPORT WAS SUBMITTED TO COUNTY FROM ALL THE NEIGHBORS. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE TRONT OF THE HOUSE.

THIS WILL NOT CHANGE. YOU WILL NOT SEE THE -- YOU KNOW NONE OF THIS IS BEING RAISED.

AND THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE NEXT DOOR, SHOWING THE PILINGS FOR THE ROOF.

FOR THE DECK. ANY QUESTIONS? >> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T GO TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. THERE IS JUST TWO PILINGS BACK THERE TO SUPPORT THE PORCH. AND THE ROOF OF THE PORCH WILL BE COMPLETELY LOWER THAN THE

EXISTING HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE. >> IF YOU MEASURE THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF FROM THE EXISTING

FOUNDATION IT WOULD BE 26 FEET. >> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? JOHN?

>> YES, QUESTION ON THE SITE PLAN, CALLS FOR THE STRUCTURE TO BE 16 BY 20.

ON THE DRAWINGS, A TOTAL OF 320 SQUARE FEET, THE DRAWINGS THAT ARE ATTACHED, CAN'T EVEN GET THE DIMENSIONS BUT IT IS 32 BY SOMETHING AT 900 SQUARE FEET. WHAT ARE YOU BUILDING?

>> WE'RE BUILDING THIS. THE 900 SQUARE FEET THAT'S ON THE DEP PERMIT, THAT IS WHAT DEP

APPROVED. >> AND DEP APPROVED THE PILINGS IN THE SWAMP?

>> YES. >> OKAY FOR THE BOARD THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO A VARIANCE WE DID AT 9:30 ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD PROBABLY TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, WHERE THEY EXTENDED THE STRUCTURE OUT OFFER THE SWAMPLET TO GIVE THEM& ADDITIONAL SPACE.

SO THE ROOF HEIGHT IS NO HIGHER THAN THE EXISTING ROOF HEIGHT. >> IT IS EIGHT FEET LOWER.

>> EIGHT FEET LOWER, OKAY THANK YOU. >> DO YOU HAVE THAT DOCUMENT?

>> THE WHAT? I'M SORRY? >> DO YOU HAVE THAT DOCUMENT?

>> WHICH DOCUMENT? >> THAT APPROVES -- >> I DIDN'T BRING IT BUT THE

COUNTY HAS IT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? CAN I HEAR A MOTION? GENTLEMEN? ANY --

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE PVZVRA 2023-12 BURKE RESIDENCE, BASED ON THE

FINDINGS BASED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> IF I CAN MAKE SURE WE OPENED THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. YES.

>> SORRY. >> FORGOT AGAIN. >> IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION? OKAY THANK YOU CHRISTINE. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A VOTE?

IT'S UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. >> THANK YOU. >> CONGRATULATIONEST.

CONGRATULATIONS. BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM I JUST WANTED TO LET THE AUDIENCE KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE OPENINGS FOR MEMBERSHIP ON THIS BOARD.

JOHN, THIS IS JOHN'S LAST MEETING. AND ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN APPLYING CAN CONTACT A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY. THEY CAN CALL ME UP AND I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS. AND NOW THAT YOU'VE DRIVEN DOWN HERE YOU KNOW IT'S NOT THAT FAR. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPLY EITHER FOR OUR BOARD OR FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. THEY ALSO NEED APPLICATIONS.

OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM MAY BE LENGTHY. I WANT TO ALERT EVERYONE THAT WE

[4. PUD 2023-02 Ponte Vedra Resort. Request to rezone approximately 91 acres of land from Open Rural (OR), Single Family Residential District (R-1-B), Single Family Residential District (R-1-C), Multiple Family Residential District (R-2), Commercial District (R-3), and Recreational District (R-4) to Planned Unit Development (PUD).]

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>> CHAIRPERSON, IF I COULD GO BACK TO OUR LAST TOPIC. I WAS GOING THROUGH MY FILES AND I FOUND QUITE A FEW APPLICATIONS FOR POKSES ON THIS BOARD. AND I WAS WONDERING, IS THE COUNTY STILL LOOKING AT THOSE APPLICATIONS? THERE WERE PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE

PEOPLE THAT WE HAD INFORMATION ON. >> THOSE APPLICATIONS ARE NO

LONGER IN THE POOL. >> AND WHY WOULD THAT BE? >> THEY'RE OVER A YEAR -- SOME

PEOPLE DIDN'T LIVE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT, AND -- >> NOT SURPRISED.

>> HOW LONG DOES AN APPLICATION STAY ON FILE? ONE YEAR.

>> SO WE WOULD HAVE ENCOURAGED THEM TO REAPPLY, THAT'S SOMETHING, WOULD WE BE DOING

THAT OR WOULD THE COUNTY DO THAT? >> WE CAN DO THAT.

>> OKAY. SO HAVE YOU VISITED THE SITE, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATION

WITH ABOUT IS SITE? >> YEAH, I HAVE TO GET MY DATE. WHY DON'T YOU LET JOHN GO AND

I'LL GET MY ACT TOGETHER. >> ALL RIGHT JOHN. >> THIS MAY TAKE A BIT.

OKAY BUT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH PONTE VEDRA BEEN AROUND SINCE 1972, LIVED IN PONTE VEDRA SINCE 1987. VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. AND IN 1988 AND 1999 I WORKED FOR THE HASKELL COMPANY, OVERSAW THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE LODGE AND THE SPA AT THE LODGE CALLED A BATH CLUB. A MEMBER OF THE CLUB, THE LOFNLG 32 YEARS, MY SON SPENCER HAS WORKED THERE OFF AND ON FOR 12 YEARS, INCLUDING THE LAST SIX YOARS, HE IS CURRENTLY A VALET AND BELLMAN, MY SON WORKED THERE IN 2013, I DID MEET WITH STAFF, MISTY FRAZIER ON AUGUST 2ND.

DISCUSSED THE PROJECT. I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT RELATED TO THE PROJECT.

I ATTENDED THE ARC MEETING ON JULY 7TH, EXCUSE ME, SEPTEMBER 6TH, AS FAR AS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PEOPLE, WITH THE MEMBERS IT IS TOO MANY TO EVER ADDRESS SINCE I'M -- MOST PEOPLE KNOW THAT I BUILT THE PROJECT. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT.

HAD A LOT OF QUESTIOS ABOUT THE PUD PROCESS, A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS, WHAT THE TIMING IS, AND WHAT IS IN THE PUD APPLICATION. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. I DID RECEIVE AN E-MAIL FROM AVERY -- HARRY EASTERLY ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, HOLLY ON SEPTEMBER 8TH, JEAN JOHNSON SEPTEMBER IS SEFT AND ROBERT MCVEIGA SEPTEMBER 10TH. HAD A PHONE CALL WITH AVERY ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, ANOTHER PHONE CALL QUESTIONS TO ASK ABOUT THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, HAD ANOTHER CALL ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, HAD A CAUGHT WITH MISTY ON MID AUGUST, AND AN E-MAIL TO ELLEN ON AUGUST 3D AND AUGUST 7TH.

I HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY ORGANIZATION OR PAID FOR ANYBODY SPONSORING ANYBODY TO BE EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS APPLICATION. BUT AS I SAID AS A MEMBER I HEAR A LOT ABOUT IT.

AND I THINK I WILL CONTINUE TO HEAR A LOT ABOUT IT SO THAT'S MY HISTORY.

>> OKAY THANK YOU JOHN. >> CAN I GO NEXT? >> MADAM CHAIR, SORRY TO INTERRUPT. WE'VE HAD A REQUEST FROM THE BACK OF THE ROOM TO HAVE FOLKS SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO IF MICROPHONE SO THEY CAN BE HEARD, THANK YOU.

>> CAN WE TURN UP THE SOUND? IT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT LOW. THERE IS A WAY TO ADJUST THE

VOLUME. >> SOMEONE TURNS THEIR MICROPHONE OFF WHEN SOMEONE IS SPEAKING, IT ONLY ALLOWS CERTAIN NUMBER TO BE TURNED ON. IS THAT ALSO TRUE?

IT IS. OKAY. >> OKAY, I HAVE BEEN MANY, MANY

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AND I'M HOPING SCOAB'S TAKING THE LEAD TO GO OVER ALL THESE THINGS.

-- SOMEBODY'S TAKING THE LEE TO GLO OVER ALL THESE THINGS. I HOPE SOMEBODY UP HERE IS GOING TO BE TAKING THE LEAD TO PRESENT THE MATERIALS THAT ALL US BOARD MEMBERS HAVE RECEIVED FROM CONCERNED INDIVIDUALS. AND I ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH ELLEN AND JOHN PATTON, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN, SAW THE DRAWKS, AND WE ALSO HAD A -- DRAWINGS, AND WE HAD A LITTLE QUAFNED AT THE EARNED -- QUANLD AT THE END AND -- Q&A AT THE END AND THAT WAS ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU. >> JANE ROLLINSON, I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF PONTE VEDRA SINCE 2002 AND A GOLF MEMBER I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY SINCE 2010 OF THE LOBLG -- LODGE.

I'VE ALSO STAYED AT BOTH LACES DIFFERENT TIMES PROBABLY PREVIOUS TO MOVING HERE TO PONTE VEDRA. AND I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS LIKE JOHN, A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME UP TO ME ASKED ME CALLED ME AND THEY ARE VERY NUMEROUS, WANTING INFORMATION ON WHAT TIME THE MEETING WAS, WHEN THE MEETING WOULD BE, WHAT THE APPLICATION SAID I DID REFER THEM ALL TO THE COUNTY AND TO GET THE APPLICATION THEMSELVES. BUT IN TERMS OF EX PARTE CAN COMMUNICATION I'LL TALK ABOUT SUBSTANTIAL CONVERSATIONS WE HAD.

THERE WERE A FEW. TWO PEOPLE FROM THE CARLYLE, JIM GIBB BON AND LIBY LIBBY CARLYLEI DID -- GAME COOPER SIPT ME A LOT OF E-MAILS, I FORWARDED THOSE TO THE COUNTY AND ACTUALLY THE E-MAILS I DID RECEIVE I FORWARDED TO THE COUNTY, THOSE SHOULD BE IN THE PACKET AND THEY ARE WITH THE COUNTY STAFF. LAURIE WELLS CALLED ME FOR INFORMATION FOR THE PONTE VEDRA ASSOCIATION NEWS LETTER. AGAIN I REFERRED HER TO COUNTY STAFF AND YESTERDAY, ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND I HAD LENGTHY CONVERSATION WHERE I ASKED CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ON THE APPLICATION THAT WE RECEIVED ABOUT 3:00 ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON. SO THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. OH AND ONE OTHER THING. I HAVE NOT CONTRIBUTED ANY MONEY, I'M NOT PART OF ANY GROUPS EITHER FOR OR AGAINST, I AM PRETTY ACTIVE ON THE INTERNET SO I'VE SEEN A LOT OF STUFF. BUT IT'S BEEN FROM VARIOUS GROUPS INCLUDING THE PONTE VEDRA INAND THE LODGE SENDING OUT E-MAILS TO MEMBERS. THAT'S IT, THANK YOU.

>> MEGAN EXCUSE ME. COULD I ALSO SAY A STATEMENT ON THAT? I BELIEVE ALL THE BOARD HAS RECEIVED NUMEROUS E-MAILS FROM RESIDENTS IN PONTE VEDRA AND I DON'T WANT THE INN TO THINK WE ARE ALL MEMBERS OF THESE E-MAILS THAT WE ARE RECEIVING.

AND THEY COME IN. WE DON'T SEND ANYTHING OUT. JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT

CLARIFICATION. >> I HAVE OBVIOUSLY VISITED THE SITE.

I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THE PIVETD CLUB. I MET WITH STAFF JULY 12TH AT 1 P.M. WHERE WE DISCUSSED THE APPLICANT AND ATTORNEY JULY 17TH AT 1:30 P.M. DISCUSSING THE PROJECT CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER E-MAILS? THERE IS NO SUBSTANTIVE E-MAILS BUT RECEIVED SEVERAL E-MAILS FROM CERVED PONTE VEDRA RESIDENTS. -- CONCERNED PONTE VEDRA RESIDENTS.

>> I'M A MEMBER OF BOTH THE INN CLUB AND THE LODGING CLUB. I STAY AT BOTH RESORTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR EVERY YEAR WITH MY FAMILY. I MET WITH STAFF ON JULY 12TH AT NOON TO DISCUSS THIS MASTER PLAN. I MET WITH JOHN PAYTON AND AVERY SUBMIT TO DISCUSSION THE APPLICATION. AND I HAVE RECEIVED FOR AND AGAINST E-MAILS. I HAVE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH MANY NEIGHBORS, FRIENDS, ET CETERA. I'M AT THE LODGING CLUB PROBABLY THREE NIGHTS A WEEK AND SO WITH MY FAMILY, AND NEEDLESS TO SAY THERE IS MANY CONVERSATIONS. SO I'VE NOT CONTRIBUTED MONEY TO ANY PARTY, NOR ANY COURT FOR OR AGAINST. JOHNNY PAD-UDO, I'VE NOT HAD ANY

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SO THAT'S IT. >> I AM CURRENTLY A MEMBER OF THE PONTE VEDRA INN AND CLUB AND I HAVE RECEIVED NUMEROUS E-MAILS FROM THE PUBLIC. I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE APPLICANT AND HIS STAFF. I'VE ALSO MET WITH COUNTY STAFF ON THIS PROJECT. I'VE RECEIVED TEXT MESSAGES, I AM VERY AVAILABLE, BECAUSE I WALK MY DOGS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO PEOPLE DO STOP WITH THEIR CAR, ASK ME A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S THE SCHEDULE OF EVENTS AND I TRY TO GUIDE THEM AS TO WHERE THEY CAN FIND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I WAS AT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION TODAY.

I JUST -- I ALSO HAVE NOT GIVEN MONEY TO ANYBODY EITHER PRO OR CON, IN THIS MATTER.

I JUST WANT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW, THE PROCESS THAT WE WILL BE FOLLOWING TODAY.

FIRST, WE WILL ASK THE APPLICANT TO AMERICA A PRESENTATION. AND THEN WE WILL GO THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUAL WAIVER, WAIVER BY WAIVER AND ASK THE BOARD TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT EACH APPLICANT.

ONCE THAT PROCESS HAS ENDED WE WILL ALLOW A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE COMMENT STARTING WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF GROUPS OF TEN OR 20 OR MORE. AND THEN WE WILL ALLOW ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK. AND THEY WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE COMMENTS.

WE'RE GOING TO USE THE TWO PODIUM AT THE FRONT OF THE ROOM AND SO PEOPLE CAN LINE UP AND STATE JUST LIKE AT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN MAKE YOUR COMMENT. SO IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, DON'T JUST SIT IN THE BACK, WHEN IT COMES TIME, YOU KNOW, FORM A LINE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO ELLEN AVERY SMITH IS THE -- QUOOU LIKE -- SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE AN OPENING STATEMENT, THEY HAVE ASKED FOR THAT.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> GLAD YOU HAVE TO RUN THIS MEETING AND FORGET THINGS INSTEAD OF ME BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHEN I WAS CHAIR I FORGOT A LOT OF THINGS TOO.

SO. BUT I HAVE A COUPLE OPENING REMARKS.

ELLEN I DON'T KNOW IT MIGHT TAKE AN HOUR -- I'M KIDDING. THIS SHOULD ONLY TAKE A FEW MINUTES. BUT GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. I'M SO GLAD MANY OF YOU OF THE PUBLIC SHOWED UP. I AM ACTUALLY AND I KNOW THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ARE HONORED TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF PONTE VEDRA BEACH AND REP THE COMMISSIONERS, ON WHAT WE CALL IT PVZAB IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A HEARING BROUGHT TO US BY THE PONTE VEDRA RESORTS.

THEY ARE ASKING US TO RECOMMEND AND THIS IS WHAT OUR JOB IS IN TERMS OF ZONING TO RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT THEIR PROPERTIES AT THE INN AND CLUB AND THE LODGE BE REZONED FROM COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL AND OPEN RURAL INTO A UNIFIED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR PUD. THE STATED PURPOSE IS TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTIES AND THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION TO PROVE THAT THE PUD IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. AND THIS IS WHAT WE MUST CONSIDER. IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA IN TERMS OF SEPARATION AND BUFFERING BETWEEN THE ADJACENT USES, IT'S A SAFE USE OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT ROADWAYS, THE VISUAL AND ESTHETIC ENHANCEMENT, IT WILL BE VISUALLY AND ESTHETICALLY NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, OR THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, AND THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPLIVMENTARY AND SUPPORTIVE OF SUPPORTING USES, SO WE SHOULD ALL LISTEN FOR THAT TODAY.

IN ADDITION WE ARE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE 31 WAIVERS OF VARIANCES TO OUR EXISTING PONTE VEDRA ZONING CODE AND THE OVERLAY DISTRICT AS PART OF THE PUD.

AS WE CONSIDER THESE WAIVERS, THINK ABOUT THAT THE PVZAB MUST CONSIDER ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, THAT SHOULD WE APPROVE THESE BECAUSE THERE'S NO PRACTICAL

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SO ANY ACTIONS THAT WE TAKE ON THE WAIVERS CAN BE APPEALED TO BE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BOTH THOSE DENIED OR APPROVED. POTENTIALLY DENIED OR APPROVED. AND I WOULD GUESS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. SO WE, AS A ZONING BOARD, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CRISP AND CLEAR ON OUR DECISIONS AND OUR DISCUSSIONS SO THAT WE LET THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE STAND ON THIS. BECAUSE WE DO WORK FOR THEM.

WE WERE APPOINTED BY THEM. WE ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS. AND OUR ROLE IS TO SPEAK FOR THE COMMUNITY OF PONTE VEDRA BEACH SO THOSE ARE MY OPENING COMMENTS.

>> MADAM CHAIR. >> YES. >> I DO WANT TO MAKE A BRIEF STATEMENT. SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE WAIVERS.

AND LOOKING AT THEM IN THE CONTEXT OF THE PUD. BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT AND YOU USE DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAN A ZONING VARIANCE. SO THE ZONING RAIRNS CRITERIA DOES NOT APPLY TO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR STAFF REPORT, ON PDF PAGE 8, IN THE CONTEXT OF A PUD, WITH A PUD IT IS NOT JUST A ZONING ACRONYM FOR PROPERTY. THE PUD IS ESSENTIALLY A CUSTOM ZONING CLASSIFICATION.

AND THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS THE ZONING FOR THAT PROPERTY. AND IT'S CUSTOMIZED FOR EACH PROJECT. THAT MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN INCLUDES ANY WAIVERS THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED. IN THIS CASE THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED 31 WAIVERS.

THE CRITERIA FOR PUD WAIVERS AGAIN IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CRITERIA FOR ZONING VARIANCES.

AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PROVIDES THAT SPECIFIC STANDARDS CAN BE MODIFIED OR WAIVED IF SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE IS MET THROUGH OTHER MEANS OR TO MEET OTHER DESIRABLE OBJECTIVES.

SO AS TO ACCOMMODATE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN PRINCIPLES, MAINTAIN THE FUNCTION OF A VEGETATIVE COMMUNITY AND SIMILAR USES. SO THE PUD WAIVER REQUIRES A DESCRIPTION OF THE WAIVER FROM THE STRICT DIVISIONS FROM THE LAND COMMENT CODE TO ALLOW FOR INNOVATIVE DESIGN TECHNIQUES AND ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS THROUGHOUT THE PUD ZONING PROCESS. AN EXPLANATION OF THE BENEFITS ARISING FROM THE APPLICATION OF FLEXIBLE STANDARDS AND CRITERIA SHALL BE PROVIDED TO JUSTIFY THE WAIVERS OR THE NEED FOR WAIVERS.

SO I WANTED TO STATE THAT ON THE RECORD. THAT IS A DIFFERENT SET OF CRITERIA THAN YOU'RE USED TO DEALING WITH FOR VARIANCES. SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY

CLEAR. >> SO CHRISTINE JUST FOR THE IMFT OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, I LIKE HEARING YOU READ THAT BUT YOU REFERRED TO A CERTAIN PAGE IN OUR DOCUMENT.

>> PDF PAGE 8 OF YOUR STAFF REPORT. >> SO I'M LOOKING AT THE STAFF

REPORT. >> IT'S ACTUALLY NUMBERED, IT'S PAGER 7 OF THE DOCUMENT BUT IT'S GOING TO BE PDF PAGE 8. AND THOSE ARE SECTIONS 5.03.03 AND 5.03.02.

G 1 T. JUDGE. >> JANE COULD YOU --

>> IT'S RIGHT HERE, RIGHT AT THE TOP HERE. >> RIGHT ABOVE PAGE 7.

ABOVE SUMMARY OF REQUEST. YOU'LL SEE THAT. SO WHEN YOU'RE APPROVING A PUD YOU ARE PROBLEM OFFING ALL THE WAIVERS IN THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO HERE IN THIS CASE WHERE YOU WANT TO GO OVER EACH ONE SEPARATELY, YOU'LL NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHICH WAIVERS YOU WOULD APPROVE OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR RECOMMEND DENIAL

FOR, AS PART OF YOUR MOTION. >> RIGHT. CHAIRPERSON.

IF I COULD, BECAUSE WE'RE USED TO HAVING MAYBE ONE OR TWO VARIANCES PER BOARD IN FRONT OF US. BECAUSE WE MAY BE SEATING 30 VARIANCES, IF I COULD JUST HEAR THE GROUND RULES FOR WHEN THE PUBLIC CAN SPEAK, WHEN THE BOARD CAN SPEAK.

ARE WE GOING TO BE DOING THAT WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL VARIANCE OR WHAT?

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HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE THAT? >> MS. AVERY SMITH IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUAL WAIVER. AND SHE'LL TALK ABOUT THE WAIVER AND THEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CLEARLY UNDERSTANDING AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON. THE PUBLIC WILL NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK UNTIL WE HAVE FINISHED THAT WORK. SO I WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL OF

THE WAIVERS FIRST. >> WAIVERS. >> SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR AND THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR.

>> OKAY. IN REGARDS TO ALLEN'S GENERAL PRESENTATION, WILL THE BOARD HAVE A -- WILL THE BOARD HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO THEN COMMENT ON HER PRESENTATION?

THAT IS PRIOR TO GETTING TO THE WEARS. >> LET'S LISTEN TO HER PRESENTATION THEN WE'LL SEE WHA. SO IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MAKE A NOTE OF IT.

>> I HAVE. >> THEN WE CAN DO IT AT THE END OF HER PRESENTATION.

>> MADAM CHAIRMAN, BEFORE I BEGIN JUST A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING MATTERS.

WITH RESPECT TO WHAT JUST TRANSPIRED BEFORE THE BOARD. I DO WANT TO STATE MS. VALLIERE SAID VERY CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, WAIVERS FOR THE CODE FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE LEGALLY DIFFERENT THAN A VARIANCE AND DO NOT REQUIRE PROOF HARDSHIP OR ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS LEGALLY OF A VARIANCE. I WANT TO START OUT BY SAYING THAT. I ALSO WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, AND VICE CHAIRMAN ROLLINSON, YOU READ A STATEMENT, OKAY. I JUST WANT IT NOTED FOR THE RECORD. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT STATEMENT, I HAD NEVER SEEN IT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE ON THE STAFF HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT FOR ITS ACCURACY AS FAR AS COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE. AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR JUST FOR THAT HOUSEKEEPING, THAT WE LITERALLY ARE TALKING ABOUT A PUD. I KNOW IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THIS BOARD IS USED TO SO AGAIN WE ARE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE WAIVERS, ONE BY ONE YOU ABOUT IT THEY ARE COMBINED AS PART OF AN ESSENTIAL SECTION OF THE PUD ITSELF.

SO WE ARE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THAT. BEFORE WE GET INTO THE --

>> YOU KNOW, AND I'M SORRY I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO I'M SORRY IF THERE'S ANYTHIG I SAID THAT WAS MISINTERPRETED BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE

WAIVERS ARE PART OF THE PUD. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

I JUST -- AGAIN WANTED TO CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, THE AUTHOR OF THE STATEMENT AND ALL OF THAT.

SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY, WE WILL WALK THERE AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOUR BOARD MAY HAVE, I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF INTRODUCING YOU TO MR. JOHN PEYTON, HIS FAMILY'S

VISION FOR THE LEGACY GOING FORWARD INTO IF FUTURE. >> GLARCH, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY AND APPRECIATE YOUR VOLUNTEER WORK IN THIS BOARD. MY NAME IS JOHN PEYTON, I'M PRESIDENT OF GATE PETROLEUM, 9340 SAN JOSE BOULEVARD. I THOUGHT I'D USE A BRIEF MOMENT TO DISCUSS OUR INTENTIONS OF THIS PROPERTY. GATE IS FOUNDED BY MY FATHER, HERB PEYTON, AND JOINED BY MY BROTHER HERB PEYTON. WE HAVE GROWN TO BE ONE OF THE LARGEST PRIVATELY HELD INCARCERATIONS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. PONTE VEDRA IS A SPECIAL ASSETS TO OUR PROPERTY, I WOULD DESCRIBE IT AS LEGACY PROPERTY. I HAVE HEARD RUMORS THAT WE ARE POSITIONING THIS FOR A SALE, THAT IS NOT TRUE. WE HOPE MANY GENERATIONS GROW UP HERE AND WE INVEST IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I THINK WE HAVE BEEN GOOD STEWARDS OF PONTE VEDRA. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR TRACK RECORD WE HAVE REINVESTED IN ALMOST ALL ASPECTS OF THIS PROPERTY. WE BUILT A NEW COMMISSION CENTER IN THE 80S, A SURF CENTER, THE ARE OCEAN AND LAGOON COURSES WERE JUST RECENTLY RENOVATED TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $15 MILLION.

WE CONTINUE TO RENOVATE THE ROOMS IN THE NEW BUILDINGS, OCEAN HOUSE AND PEYTON HOUSE ARE SOME OF OUR NICEST BUILDINGS ON THE CAMPUS. PONTE VEDRA FOUNDED IN 1928.

WE ACQUIRED IT IN THE EARLY 80S. IT IS THE ONLY FIVE DIAMOND RESORT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTOR TO THE TAX BASE AND I THINK I.T.

INFLUENCES PROPERTY VALUES AROUND IT. THE LODGE 1989 WAS BUILT BY THE FLETCHERS IT IS A FOUR DIAMOND RESORT AND AGAIN CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO OUR EMPLOYMENT BASE TO OUR PAYROLL AND TO OUR TAX BASE. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS WHY NOW? WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WELL THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS. WE HAVE ISSUES WITH OUR

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IT HAS BEEN SWAMPED NUMEROUS TIMES. YOU CAN SEE THERE THESE SLIDES THE DAMAGE WE'VE TAKEN. WE ANTICIPATE THIS WILL CONTINUE SLORCHTION THIS BUILDING IS IN THIS CONDITION. THE REALITY IS PONTE VEDRA NEEDS INVESTMENT, THE SURF CLUB NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THE OTHER THING WE ARE DEALING WITH, OUR FACILITIES ARE DATED AN I THINK MANY OF US TRAVEL AROUND.

WE VISIT OTHER FACILITIES AND CLUBS AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WHEN YOU VISIT A LOT OF OUR FACILITIES BECAUSE WE ARE AN OLD FACILITY BEEN AROUND ALMOST 100 YEARS AT PONTE VEDRA IT IS TIME.

WE HAVE BUILDINGS THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED. FOR THAT REASON WE NEED TO IMPROVE OUR MEMBER GUEST EXPERIENCE AND NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE INDUSTRY.

A LOT OF FOLKS IN THIS BUSINESS ARE COMPETING WITH BETTER FACILITIES AND MAKING SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS AND WE HOPE TO DO THE SAME. WE THINK PONTE VEDRA IS WORTHY FOR THE INVESTMENT. WE WORKED NEARLY FOUR YEARS DEVELOPING A MASTER PLAN THAT ACHIEVES ALL THE GOALS, ACHIEVING THE CHARACTER AND PROVIDE COMPETITIVE AMENITIES BUT ALSO STORM WORTHY AMENITIES, BUILDINGS THAT CAN SUSTAIN THE CHANGING ENVIRONMENT.

OTHER QUESTIONS THAT COME UP WHY THE SIZE? THE SURF CLUB IS A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT, REPLACING THAT BUILDING. FOR YOUR EDIFICATION, THIS PLAN IS BASED ON MEETING ALL OF OUR OBJECTIVES. THIS BUILDING SURF CLUB WILL BE RAISED TO 18 FEET ABOVE MEAN HIGH WATER MARK. THEREFORE IT IS GOING TO BE ON PILINGS. IT IS GOING TO BE ON 500 PILINGS, EACH ONE IS 53 FEET LONG. BEFORE COMING OUT OF THE GROUND GETTING THIS BUILDING OUT WHERE IT'S STORM WORTHY, NATURALLY AS A BUSINESS MODEL IS MONITOR. WE SPREAD THAT FOUNDATION COST AMONG AS MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE AS WE CAN. WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THIS BUILDING BE SIMILAR IN STATUTE STRAWR. STATURE.

I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING OF THIS PROCESS, IT IS UNFORTUNATE.

FILLING IN THE LAGOONS, ASK HIGH RISE CONDOS ON THE BEACH AND POSITIONING THE FACILITY FOR SALE. NONE OF THAT IS TRUE. WE HOPE TODAY TO CLARIFY ALONG WITH ALL OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES WE ARE GOING FOR, THEY ARE GREAT EXAMPLES OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T INVEST. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK FAR DOWN THE ROAD TO SEE CLUBS THAT DON'T REINVEST SO WE THINK IT'S A GREAT PROPERTY, WE LOVE THIS PLACE, WE WANT TO MAKE IT BETTER AND WITH YOUR SUPPORT HOPEFULLY WE WILL. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> FOR THE RECORD AGAIN, ELLEN AVERY SMITH, BEFORE I GET STARTED MR. E ENSSLEN AROUND SEVERAL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SAID, WE HAVE RECEIVED COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS PROJECT. SO WE ARE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS FROM THIS BOARD. WE ARE ALSO GOING TO PRESENT, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC. WE MADE CHANGES AS LATE AS SEPTEMBER 1ST TO THE PUD TEXT AND THE PLANS, THE ARCHITECTURE, THE UNIFIED SIGN PLAN AND ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT WE ARE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH TODAY AS A TEAM. SO SPEAK OF THE TEAM I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE IN ADDITION TO MR. PEYTON FROM GAIT OR JOHN MAYTON WE ALSO HAVE JOHN AND HERBERT PEYTON AS WELL AS MISTY SKIPPER. WE WILL CALL UPON THEIR EXPERTISE IF BEE NEED THEM. WE HAVE LINDSAY HAGA WHO IS OUR PROFESSIONAL PLANNER, WE HAVE BRAD PROSER, AND JOHN TERRY WHO IS THE ARCHITECTURE, NOAH MARKS FROM IRVIN NOAH AND MILLER.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU THOSE COMPONENTS AS WE WALK THROUGH. AND I THINK IT'S INSTRUCTIVE TO START WITH, SO WHAT'S APPROVED NOW? BECAUSE I DESTINY THAT THAT IS LED PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S APPROVED FOR THIS PROPERTY NOW.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AND THEN WHAT'S APPROVED FOR THIS PROPERTY NOW.

SO THIS PUD INCLUDES TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES. THE NORTH PROPERTY IN RED IS THE PONTE VEDRA INN AND CLUB. IT'S LET ME BE CLEAR, 80 ACRES OF THE APPROXIMATELY 300 ACRES THAT CRIES THE PONTE VEDRA INN AND CLUB. AND I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHY IT'S ONLY 80 ACRES AS WE GO THROUGH BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE.

ALSO WE HAVE THE 11 ACRES TO THE SOUTH THAT'S PART OF THE LODGE PROPERTY.

SO ONE WE REFER TO IN THE PUD TEXT AS THE PBIC PROPERTY, THAT'S THE NORTHERN 80 ACRES AND

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THE OTHER 220 OR SO ACRES THAT'S IN THE PONTE VEDRA INN AND CLUB COMPRISE MOSTLY OF GOLF COURSE, IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PUD. SO IT KEEPS ITS EXISTING ZONING. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE. GOING TO THE LODGE, AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY PONTE VEDRA CORPORATION WHICH INCLUDES THIS LAGOON BY THE CARLYLE.

WE HAVE DONE A TITLE SEARCH ON THAT AND PONTE VEDRA CORPORATION DOES OWN IT.

THOUGH WE'VE PUT ON AGAIN LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THECARLYLE NO DEVELOPMENT WIL OCCUR OFTEN THAT PROPERTY OR THE LAGOON PROPERTY. WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT PALMER AS WE TALK ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT AND BUILDING REDUCTION IN LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY AS WE GO THROUGH PRESENTATION. SO ANY BUILDING BLOCK OF ANY PROPERTY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS WHAT'S CALLED A FUTURE LAND USE DECISIUSE DESIGNATION, SET N THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THESE MAPS I'M GOING TO START WITH PONTE VEDRA INN AND CLUB ON THE LEFT, THIS IS THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO THE RED IS COMMERCIAL. SO WE HEARD A LOT OF PIMENTSVR LAST WEEK ABOUT PUTTING COMMERCIAL IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.

GUESS WHAT? COMMERCIAL HAS BEEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 100 YEARS AND IT WAS THERE BEFORE THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD. BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD GREW UP AROUND THE INN. AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE AGAIN YOU SEE THOSE TWO COMMERCIAL NODES THAT ARE IN RED. I'M JUST STAYING WITH THE PONTE VEDRA INN AND CLUB PROPERTY FOR A MINUTE. THE BROWN IS RESIDENTIAL D AS IN DOG. THAT CAN INCLUDE UP TO EIGHT UNITS PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE, AND CAN INCLUDE COMMERCIAL USES OF A CERTAIN INTENSITY AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.

THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IN THE TAN IS RESIDENTIAL B AS IN BOY WHICH CAN INCLUDE UP TO TWO UNITS PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE FOR RESIDENTIAL. AND CAN INCLUDE LIMITED COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USES ALREADY. SIMILARLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE LODGES, YOU SEE AGAIN, A BIG BULK OF RED.

THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN SINCE 1990 WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ADOPTED, INTENDED FOR COMMERCIAL USE. YOU EVEN SEE THE CARR CARLYLE IE CORNER AS A COMMERCIALITY NOTICED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND THEN GOING ACROSS THE STREET TO THE PALMER BUILDING WHICH WE REFER TO WHICH IS IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD YOU SEE THAT IS RESIDENTIAL B. THERE IS AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING THERE THAT IS USED AS PART OF THE RESORT, THAT USE IS PERMITTED IN RESIDENTIAL USE B AS IN BOY. GOING TO THE EAST I'D OF PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD, THE EXISTING LODGE BUILDING SITS IN A RESIDENTIAL B LAND USE CATEGORY. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE INSTRUCTIVE AS WE WALK FORWARD TODAY TO TALK ABOUT GRANDFATHERING IF YOU WILL VESTING THESE EXISTING USES. BUT AGAIN SETTING THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALREADY INCLUDES COMMERCIAL. AND I WILL POINT OUT TOO, JUST BY -- SINCE WE ARE WALKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE DON'T INCORPORATE, HAVE TO INCORPORATE REFERENCES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN OUR PUD TEXT. BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS PART OF THE LAW IF YOU WILL OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. SIMILARLY, WE DON'T HAVE TO REFERENCE EVERY WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, FEMA, EVEN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR WHATEVER REGULATIONS, IF IT'S NOT DRESSED IN THE PUD TEXT OR MAPS OR EXHIBITS. IT IS AUTOMATICALLY, BY LAW, REQUIRED TO BE ADHERED TO. SO THE NATURE OF A PUD IS NOT TO INCORPORATE EVERY LAW AND REGULATION FROM EVERY GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY LOCAL STATE AND FEDERAL.

IT IS SIMPLY TO SET AS MS. VALLIERE POINTED IDENTITY EARLIER A ZONING ORDINANCE.

AND THE PUD WE WILL WALK THROUGH THAT AS WE GO FORWARD AS WELL. SO AGAIN, I JUST TOLD YOU RESIDENTIAL B AND RESIDENTIAL D ARE THE LAND USES FOR SOME OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU SEE ON THE MAP THE TWO UNITS AND THEN EIGHT UNITS MAXIMUM AND THE ABILITY TO DO WORKFORCE

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FOR COMMERCIAL YOU SEE THE MAXIMUM F RAMPLETS AND ISRS ON THIS TABLE AND AGAIN THE LAND USES AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT, THESE ARE THE MAXIMUM ISR AND F.A.R.ES THAT CAN BE SET FORTH. THAT IS THE GOVERNING DOCUMENT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

SO AGAIN LIKE I SAID, WHAT DOES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TODAY ALLOW TO BE DEVELOPED ON THIS PROPERTY? RESIDENTIAL UNITS, BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY TO A DENSITY OF EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE. PRIVATE CLUBS. VARIOUS NONRESORT RELATED COMMERCIAL USES WHICH CAN INCLUDE RESTAURANTS, SERVICE STATIONS AND CONVENIENCE STORES, ANNIVERSARY HOSPITALS, RETAIL AND SERVICE USES AND OTHERS. AS WELL AS VARIOUS NONRESORT RELATED OFFICE USES. IN A SIMILAR VEIN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE EXISTING ZONING MAPS. SO HERE IS THE EXISTING ZONING FOR AGAIN WE'RE GOING TO START ON THE LEFT WITH THE PONTE VEDRA INN AND CLUB PROPERTY, THIS PINK IS COMMERCIAL.

THE GREEN IS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN THE TAN COLOR IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THE LITTLE PURPLE COLOR OVER ON THE -- IN THIS LITTLE CORNER IS RECREATION. AND SO YOU SEE THAT ON THE LEGEND ON THE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND CORNER OF THE MAP. AGAIN, COMMERCIAL USES, AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES ALREADY PERMITTED ON THIS PROPERTY AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY.

GOING TO THE LODGE PROPERTY, AND THIS IS WHERE WE GET TO THE DIVISION BETWEEN YOUR BOARD AND PZA. ST. JOHNS PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

FORGIVE ME, I SPEAK IN ACRONYMS. AGAIN THE PINK IS COMMERCIAL, THE GREEN IS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN THIS PURPLISH COLOR IS ACTUALLY IN THE -- RIGHT IN THE JURISDICTION OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT IS OPEN RURAL AND IT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS. SO THAT'S JUST TO ORIENT YOU.

AGAIN GOING RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE CARLYLE TO THE BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY IS THE OR ZONING MAP.

AGAIN, THESE ARE PERMITTED USES UNDER THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS.

IDENTICALLY USES TO THE ONES I -- IDENTICAL USES, PERMITTED USES ON THE PROPERTY WITH THE LAND USE AND ZONING THAT EXISTS TODAY. SO, WHY IS IT A BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC TO REZONE TO PUD? WE'VE HEARD A LOT, WE'VE SEEN A LOT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF RUMORS AND GOSSIP ABOUT DEVELOPMENT OF SINGLE FAMILY ON THE GOLF COURSE, FILLING IN THE LAGOONS ALL OF THAT. NONE OF THAT IS PLANNED.

IT CLEARLY SAYS IT ON THE PUD MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAPS. RECORD AGAIN TODAY, IT ALSO SAYS IN THE PUD TEXT, NO NONRESORT RELATED USES. NO SINGLE FAMILY, NO MULTIFAMILY, NO NONRESORT RELATED COMMERCIAL OR OFFICE USES.

THAT'S A BENEFIT OF THE PUD, THOSE THINGS CAN BE DONE UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING AND LAND USE TODAY. IT ALSO ALLOWS THE OWNER, AND THE COMMUNITY CERTAINTY, AS TO THE VIABILITY OF THE FIVE DIAMOND RESORT OF PONTE VEDRA INN AND CLUB AND THE FOUR DIAMOND RESORT OF THE LODGE. IT ALSO ALLOWS TO SET A LONG TERM MASTER PLAN BINDING ON THIS PROPERTY. THAT'S SET FORT IN THE PUD. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT AND WE'RE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH EVERY ASPECT OF BORING DAME OF THIS PUD INCLUDING THE EXHIBITS TO SHOW YOU REALLY HOW BINDING THIS IS AND WHAT IT GIVES TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN OF COURSE IT PROVIDES THE LAND USE CERTAINTY AND PREVENTS THE UNCOORDINATED DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY. SO GETTING INTO THE PUD DETAILS AND AS I'M WALKING THROUGH THIS I'M GOING TO ASK MR. DAVIS TO COME UP AND JOIN ME BECAUSE I'M GETTING TIRED OF TALKING AND HE'S GOING TO HELP ME OUT GOING THROUGH WAIVERS IN JUST A MINUTE.

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AND WE WERE IMPROVING THE PEDESTRIAN INTERCONNECTIVITY ACROSS PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.

MR. RICE IS GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT WHEN HE SHOWS YOU THE LOVELY VISION OF THE REDEVELOPMENT ARCHITECTURE. IT ALLOWS ONSITE PARKING TO BE WRAPPED IN GARAGES.

AND AGAIN MR. RICE AND MR. MARKS ARE GOING TO SHOW YOU HOW THOSE PARK GARAGES ARE WRAPPED IN BUILDINGS. AND THAT'S THE VISION. IT ALLOWS THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE RESORTS OVER TIME. SO YOU SEE IN THE PHASE-IN TABLE WHICH WE'LL GO OVER IN MORE DETAIL IN A FEW MINUTES, LITERALLY PHASE 1 INCLUDES ALL OF THE EXISTING SQUARE FOOTAGE.

SO IT'S SQUARE FOOTAGE OF RESORT RELATED USES AND THEN THE ROOMS THAT EXIST TODAY.

PHASE 1 ALSO INCLUDES THE NEW SPORT CLUB AND SURF CLUB THAT MR. RICE IS GOING TO SHOW YOU THE VISION OF IN JUST A MINUTE. THEN YOU SEE IN PHASE 2 THAT'S THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE LODGE SPORTS COMPLEX FACILITY THAT MR. MARCH IS GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH IN JUST A MINUTE AND THEN AGAIN, REDEVELOPMENT, BUILDING BY BUILDING OVER TIME. AS THOSE BUILDINGS NEED TO BE REDEVELOPED. AND SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE TOTAL FOR ALL PHASES WILL INCLUDE 349 ROOMS AT THE PONTE VEDRA INN AND CLUB PROJECT AND 86 ROOMS AT THE LODGE PROJECT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU IN GREATER DETAIL IN JUST A MINUTE, THERE IS NOT AN INCREASE OF A MILLION SQUARE FEET. IN THIS PROJECT. THERE IS A CALCULATION OF WHAT IF MAXIMUM ISR AND F.A.R. WHICH ARE REQUIRED BY YOUR CODE WHICH IS AT THE END OF THE PUD TEXT.

BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.

SO AGAIN, GOING BACK TO, I'M JUST WALKING YOU THROUGH THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PUD TEXT.

AGAIN, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIO SET BY FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IMBEDDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SAME THING FOR MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE BY BUILDINGS, ESTABLISHED BY THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE SET BACKS TO LAND OWNED BY OTHERS, SO THESE ARE SET BACKS OR YARDS, MINIMUM FIVE FOOT FROM THE FRONT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE EXISTING CONDITION, WE GOING BACK TO CHANGES TO THE PUD, INCORPORATED BASED ON INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, WE INCREASED THE SIDE YARD SET BACK FROM ZERO TO 10. AND THEN THE REAR YARD SET BACK WILL BE FIVE FEET AGAINST THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES. THE BUILDING SEPARATION, AND THAT IS AFTERNOON EXISTING CONDITION WHICH IS WHY WE'RE REQUESTING THE WAIVER FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS, AND THEN ALL NEW BUILDINGS WILL MEET CODE WITH THE 20 FOOT VACATION. MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE PER ACRE AS AGAIN SET BY THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF EACH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

LAN SCAPING WILL BE ENHANCED ALONG PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD, SIMILAR TO THE SCREENING AND PARKING AREAS THAT EXIST TODAY. AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.

AND SO WITH RESPECT TO AGAIN CHANGES BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

ON SEPTEMBER 1ST WE MODIFIED THE PUD DOCUMENTS TO INCLUDE THIS CHART WHICH SET EXISTING LENGTHS FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS AND THEN LENGTHS FOR NEW OR REDEVELOPED BUILDINGS IN THE FUTURE. SO WALKING YOU THROUGH THAT JUST QUICKLY FOR THE PROPERTIES EAST OF PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD THAT ARE RESORT ROOMS ONLY, THE EXISTING MAXIMUM BUILDING LENGTH IS 289 FEET, AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT. ANY NEW BUILDINGS WILL BE NO LONGER THAN 289 FEET. SIMILARLY, EAST OF PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD, COMBINED BUILDINGS THAT INCLUDE RESORT ROOM AND RESORT SPACE, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS 3 FROIN FEET LONG.

THE PROPOSED WHICH WILL BE THE -- 349 FEET LONG. THE PROPOSED WHICH WILL BE THE SURF CLUB WILL BE 365 FEET LONG. ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BOULEVARD, BUILDINGS THAT ARE RESORT ROOMS ONLY, 269 FEET LONG, NO CHANGE IN THAT. WEST OF THE COMBINED BUILDINGS IF YOU WILL, RESORT AND ROOMS, TOGETHER, RESORT SPACE AND ROOMS TOGETHER, TODAY THE MAXIMUM BUILDING LENGTH IS 376 FEET, THE PROPOSED IS 416 FEET. AND WE'LL SHOW YOU THAT

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IF SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC HAPPENS TO THAT BUILDING IT CAN BE REBUILT IN ITS EXISTING FOOTPRINT. ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BOULEVARD, THE MAXIMUM BUILDING LENGTH IS 91 FEET. WE'RE PROPOSING 256 FEET FOR THE NEW SPORT CLUB THERE AND MR. MARKS WILL SHOW YOU THAT VISION IN JUST A MINUTE. SO GOING TO WAIVERS.

AND I'M GOING TO HAND THIS OFF TO BRAD IN JUST A BIT. THESE ARE WAIVERS FOR EXISTING CONDITIONS. AND IF YOU WILL -- I'M NOT GOING TO READ THIS ENTIRE LIST TO YOU BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARENTHETICALS ON THE END OF EACH WAIVER YOU SEE THE CORRELATION TO THE WAIVER NUMBER IN THE PUD TEXT. AND THESE ARE FROM THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS. SO YOU SEE MOST OF THESE WAIVERS ARE FOR EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY TODAY. ONLY THREE ARE FOR THINGS THAT DON'T EXIST ON THE PROPERTY TODAY AND SO I KNOW BUILDING HEIGHT HAS BEEN A NOT TOPIC OF -- A HOT TOPICS OF CONVERSATION SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO BRAD TO

TALK ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT. >> MADAM CHAIR, IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO SEE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT WE HAVE AS LOCAL MEMBERS AND GUESTS THAT BASICALLY COME INTO THE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO GROUPS. IS THERE ANY WAY THEY CAN DIVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO SHOW WHAT WOULD BE GUESTS STAYING OVERNIGHT VERSUS OUR LOCAL PONTE VEDRA PEOPLE COMING IN THERE TO GO TO THE BEACH AND THE RESTAURANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT?

>> I THINK WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS ARE YOU TRYING TO GET TO TRAFFIC? LIKE PEOPLE COMING IN AND THEY DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TELLING US WHAT THEIR MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS

ARE. >> THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM BUT I STILL THINK YOUR LOCAL MEMBERSHIPS VERSUS YOUR OCCASIONAL GUESTS COMING INTO THE HOTEL.

I REALLY THINK THAT SHOULD BE SEPARATED WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALL THIS.

>> WHY DON'T WE LET THEM DO THEIR PRESENTATION AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE WAIVERS WHERE YOU

SEE THAT COMING IN, YOU CAN -- >> LET ME JUST SAY: HERE IS WHERE I SEE THE PROBLEM.

IF THE MEMBERSHIP CONTINUES TO INCREASE, WHICH WILL BE LOCAL, THAT'S THE LOCAL SIDE, NOT THE PEOPLE STAYING AT THE HOTEL, IF THEIR PROJECTIONS ARE TO GET TO A CERTAIN M MEMBERSHIP LEVEL BY YEAR LET'S SAY 2025, THERE IS REALLY TWO GROUPS. THERE IS YOUR LOCAL GROUP THAT HAVE NEEDS AND YOU HAVE YOUR GUESTS THAT ALSO HAVE THEIR NEEDS.

AND I THINK THE MEMBERSHIP AND THE CEILING ON THE MEMBERSHIPS HAS A LOT TO PLAY INTO HOW BIG THIS PROJECT HAS TO BE. SO IF, LET'S SAY, THE INN HAS THE BUSINESS STRATEGY TO INCREASE MEMBERSHIPS BY 20% A YEAR, WELL THEN, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO PLAY INTO THE STRUCTURE, THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO THERE.

>> THAT'S PART OF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL. AND I WOULD PREFER NOT GOING INTO THEIR BUSINESS MODEL AND JUST FOCUSING ON THE BUILDINGS AND THE DEVELOPMENT.

BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT OUR PURVIEW TO SAY HOW MANY MEMBERS THEY CAN HAVE OR AT WHAT WEIGHT THAT WOULD GROW. I UNDERSTAND IT'S CONNECTED BUT IT'S NOT OUR PURPOSE.

>> I DISAGREE TOTALLY. BECAUSE THE MEMBERSHIP HAVE SEEN A BIG INCREASE SINCE COVID.

COVID CUT BACK ON ALL HOTEL AND GUEST SERVICES TYPE STUFF. SINCE COVID.

AND ALL BUSINESSES ARE TRYING TO RECOUP FROM THAT. >> LET ME ASK CHRISTINE.

IS A MEMBERSHIP NUMBER SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO TALK ABOUT?

>> I THINK YOU SHOULD FOCUS ON WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR AS FAR AS EXPANDING THEIR EXISTING SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEIR EXISTING ROOMS. THEIR MECH INFORMATION, THAT'S COME UP BEFORE. TO SOME EXTENT THAT IS GOING TO BE PROPRIETARY INFORMATION.

BUT LIKE YOU SAID, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON WHAT THEY'R REQUESTING.

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>> I CAN MAKE A COMMENT. YOU KNOW, AS A MEMBER OF THE INN AND CLUB AND THE LODGE, I THINK IF THEY SELL TOO MANY MEMBERSHIPS IT IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ITSELF MAYBE BECAUSE OF ACCESS AND TRAFFIC AND PARKING AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO I DO DISAGREE IT IS PART OF THEIR -- I DO AGREE IT IS PART OF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH IF THEY EXPAND MEMBERSHIP CAPITAL, WE CAN'T GET TEE TIMES AND CAN'T GET TO THE SWIMMING POOL THEY WILL HAVE TO FACE THAT AS A BUSINESS RICH BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE REGULATIONS IN TRONT OF US TO DECIDE HOW HIGH HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, WHAT DISTANCE AND ALL THAT

STUFF. >> YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT. EXCEPT I THINK MEMBERSHIP ESPECIALLY LOCALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE NUMBERS PRODUCED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN MAKE A CALL. I'D LIKE TO SEE MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND THEN WHAT THEY MIGHT PROJECT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IN THE FUTURE.

BECAUSE MEMBERSHIP IS GOING TO BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS AND HUGE

GARAGES. MOST OF THIS THAT I -- >> I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING. SO WHY DON'T WE HOLD OFF ON THAT THOUGHT UNTIL WE GET TO PARKING GARAGES, PARKING STRUCTURES, AND HOW THEY'RE CALCULATING NUMBER OF SPACES, ET CETERA.

BUT WE REALLY -- I KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO BUT THAT'S REALLY NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW.

SO WE -- SADLY. >> IT IS IN OUR PURVIEW BUT I WILL.

>> MADAM CHAIR, I WANT TO RESPOND THROUGH THE CHAIR TO MR. ENSSLEN.

IT IS PROPRIETARY INFORMATION THE MEMBERSHIP BUT I BELIEVE BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT MR. PEYTON TOLD ALL OF YOU DURING VARIOUS MEETINGS THAT IT IS NOT THAT THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS HAVE INCREASED. IT IS THE USAGE BY THE EXISTING MEMBERS THAT IS INCREASED.

AND TO THE POINT THAT WE WILL GET TO LATER IN THE PRESENTATION, WHICH IS PARKING, PARKING IS DONE BY USE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND TYPE. SO GUEST ROOMS, RESORT SPACE, ALL OF THAT HAS A PARKING CALCULATION. AND AGAIN WE'RE USING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR PARKING. AND WE WILL GET TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.

WE WILL ALSO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC LATER ON. IF YOU -- WE'LL GET TO THAT IN OUR PRESENTATION. YES, IT'S YOU. WE'RE GETTING TO BRING BRAD BACK UP TO START ON BUILDING HEIGHT AND WE'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH SO WE'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH EACH WAIVER. IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW ALONG IN YOUR WAIVER LIST BECAUSE WE'RE GOING WAIVER BY WAIVER, 1 THROUGH 18 OR WHATEVER IT IS IN THE PUD TEXT.

>> I JUST WANT TO SHARE FOR MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS THAT WHEN THE PONTE VEDRA INN AND CLUB CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD IN 2017, JOHN AND I WERE ON THE BOARD FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE OCEAN AND

PEYTON HOUSE. SO JUST FYI. >> GOOD EVENING I'M BRAD DAVE, CIVIL ENGINEER BY TRADE AND WORKING WITH GATE FOR OVER TWO DECADES AND THE COUNTY AS WELL, HAPPY TO BE BORN AND RAISED HERE. VERY FAMILIAR WITH PONTE VEDRA AND VERY PROUD TAXPAYER OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME THIS MORNING. WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF WAIVERS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS MORNING. A LOT OF THEM ARE DICTATED BY PREVIOUS CONDITIONS.

AS YOU HEARD MR. PEYTON SAY A FEW ME MOMENTS AGO, THIS IS OVER 100 YEARS OLD.

BUILDING HEIGHT HAS BEEN A BIG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION THROUGH SOME OF YOU I KNOW AND THROUGH CERTAINLY THE COMMUNITY. SO LET'S DIVE INTO WAIVER NUMBER 1 AND BUILDING HEIGHT.

SO THE PUD DEFINES THE BUILDING HEIGHT AS THE DISTANCE FROM THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION TO THE TOP OF THE STRUCTURE.YOUR CODE ALLOWS FOR OTHER ITEMS OUTSIDE OF THE ROOF TO GO ABOVE THIS CALCULATION NORMALLY, UP TO TEN FEET FOR ELEVATOR SHAFTS FOR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT CAN BE CONFUSING. SO WE'VE ELIMINATED THAT TO HOPEFULLY ELIMINATE SOME CONFUSION. AND NOW THE TOP OF THE STRUCTURE IS WHATEVER THE TIPPYTY TOP STRUCTURE IS, WE'VE ELIMINATED THAT, LET ME SAY IT, THE PUD DEFINES THE BUILDING HEIGHT AS THE DISTANCE FROM THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION OR THE FIRST INHABITABLE CONDITION SPACE ALL THE WAY TO THE VERY TOP OF THE STRUCTURE.

SO THAT BEGS THE QUESTION: WELL THEN HOW IS THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION DETERMINED RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING.

LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH THAT AS WELL. WE HAVE SEVERAL AGENCIES THAT ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATE FINISHED FLOOR. IN THIS CASE IT'S THE FEDERAL

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JOHNS COUNTY OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT HERE. EACH OF THOSE CODES CONTEMPLATE THINGS LIKE FLOOD ELEVATION AND STORM SURGE, WAVE ACTION, CENTER LINES OF ROADWAYS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD INFORM THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION. SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AS THE APPLICANT AS DESIGNERS AS PROFESSIONALS IS TAKE THE MOST STRINGENT OF THOSE FINISH FLOOR ELEVATIONS WHICH BECOMES OUR ELEVATION. OKAY? SO I MENTIONED JUST A MOMENT AGO THIS PROPERTY'S REALLY OLD AND WE HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS TODAY THAT EXCEED YOUR CODE OF 35 FEET. EITHER THROUGH PRE PRECEDENCE OR THAT PRECEDED CODE. SO LET'S GO THROUGH SOME JUST AS EXAMPLES.

PICTURE I'LL ONLY SAY THIS ONCE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS BUT I LOVE PICTURES AND GRAPHS.

IT HELPS ME A LOT. LET'S START AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND CORNER IS PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. THE ELEVATION OF PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD TODAY IS PLUS OR MINUS ELEVATION 10, NOT FEET, ELEVATION 10. WE'LL GET TO FEET FOR A SECOND, LET'S STAY WITH ELEVATION FOR A MOMENT IF YOU WILL. THIS PICTURE IS TAKEN FROM PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD AND LOOKING AT THE HISTORIC PONTE VEDRA END, AS CAN YOU SEE PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD IS AROUND 10. AS WE MOVE UP AND AROUND THE GRADE IS NOT THAT MUCH HIGHER.

OUR BUILDINGS ARE LOW TODAY AND SUBJECT TO THINGS. SO THE ADJACENT GRADE IS ELEVATION TEN AND A HALF. BELIEVE IT OR NOT THE FINISHED FLOOR IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THAT. SO FOR TODAY'S CONVERSATION THE FINISHED FLOOR IS THE SAME, TEN AND A HALF. BASED ON NEW SURVEY WE HAVE FROM DRONE FOOTAGE WE HAVE THE VACELEVATION OF THIS BUILDING AS ELEVATION 65. SO ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE WE HAVE GIVEN YOU TWO CALCULATIONS. ONE IS THE WAY THE PUD WOULD CALCULATE THIS WHICH IS WHAT I DESCRIBED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION TO THE TOP WHICH WOULD BE 65 MINUS TEN AND A HALF WHICH IS ROUGHLY 54 FEET.

BECAUSE THE ADJACENT GRADE IN THE FINISHED FLOOR IN THIS CASE ARE ROUGHLY THE SAME THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY VERSION OF THAT SAME CALCULATION WOULD ALSO BE 54.

SO THAT ONE'S PRETTY SIMPLE RIGHT? I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT ONE, THAT ONE'S ONE'S PRETTY A. LET'S START AT THE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND CORNER ELEVATION 10.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT NUMBER A LOT TODAY, MEMORIZE IT, HAVE THAT NUMBER IN YOUR HEAD.

PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD IS ELEVATION 10. BUT ADJACENT TO THE OCEAN, WE ARE SUBJECT TO THINGS THAT THE ACROSS THE STREET IS NOT. MAINLY A VELOCITY FLOOD ZONE.

WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION TO WHAT DEP WOULD SAY.

DEP WOULD SAY THE LOWEST STRUCTURAL MEMBER OF THE OCEAN HOUSE HAS TO BE ELEVATION 15.

ELEVATION 15 IS THE WAVE CREST FROM THE OCEAN. OKAY? WHEN YOU ADD THIS STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS, THE FOUNDATIONS, THE PILINGS THAT MR. PEYTON TALKED ABOUT THAT ACTUALLY GIVES US AN ELEVATION OF 18 FOR THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION OF THE OCEAN HOUSE. THIS IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY BEFORE YOU IN THE NONZONING VARIANCE. THIS IS WHAT WENT BEFORE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS WHAT WAS CONSTRUCTED. WHEN YOU GO TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING FROM AGAIN THE LOCAL -- THE NEWEST SURVEY HE WE HAVE IT'S ELEVATION 58. SO WE DO TWO CALCULATIONS AGAIN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING HEIGHT PER CALCULATION, WE HAVE 40 FEET, ELEVATION 58 MINUS 18.

AND IF WE LOOK AT I FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY 58 MINUS 18 WHICH IS DRIVE FEET.

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED THAT'S THE TRANSPARENCY AND CLARITY WE'RE TRYING TO BRING TO THIS CONVERSATION TODAY. AS WE PUSH FORWARD INTO THE

FUTURE -- >> DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT? OKAY. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS THE 58 FROM THE ADJUSTED GRADE OF 13 IF YOU TAKE THE GRADE OF 13, FROM THE SURROUNDING LANDSCAPE TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.

>> NO MA'AM, 58 IS AN ELEVATION, IT IS NOT A HEIGHT. >> OKAY.

>> SO IF WE LOOK JUST AT THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE LET'S GO THROUGH IT TOGETHER.

THE TOP IS ELEVATION 58 AND THE CONSTRUCTED FINISHED FLOOR IS 18.

SO 58 MINUS 18, WOULD GIVE YOU 40. >> SO OUR -- OUR OVERLAY DISTRICT WHICH THIS SITS IN IS THE ESTABLISHED GRADE. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT

FROM THAT. >> THAT'S THE VERY NEXT -- >> THE STABBED GRADE TO THE

HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. >> YES, MA'AM. >> WHAT IS THAT?

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE IT IS THE SECOND NUMBER.

SO NOW IF YOU GO FROM 58 TO THE ESTABLISHED GRADE OF 13 THAT'S THE 45.

SO THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE THE SECOND NUMBER. >> SO IT'S DRIVE COMPARED TO OUR

EXISTING OVERLAY DISTRICT RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> IT IS 45 PER THE EXISTING

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OVERLAY DISTRICT, YES, MA'AM, YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY.

THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, YOU GET THE ADDITIONAL TEN FEET FOR MBLGHTS AND ALL THAT.

>> WHERE IS THE ADDITIONAL? I LOOKED AT IT AND COULDN'T FIND IT.

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT ELLEN, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. SHOULD I KEEP GOING? OUTSTANDING, OKAY GREAT. LET'S GO THEN TO THE -- THIS WE PERMITTED WITH SOME OF YOU LITERALLY ON THIS BOARD AROUND I DID IN 2017 WHEN WE DID THIS NONZONING VARIANCE.

THIS IS A CUT FROM THE PROPOSED SURF CLUB. LOOKING SOUTH FROM THE OCEAN HOUSE TOWARDS THE SURF CLUB AND WE HAVE SOME VERY SIMILAR NUMBERS AND I JUST WANT TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT MS. ROLLINSON, EXACTLY WHAT WE JUST DID, PER THE PUD AND PER THE OVERLAY.

SO EVERYONE IN THE ROOM HAS COMPLETE CLARITY ON WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY.

OKAY IF YOU START AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD IS ELEVATION 10, WE'VE HEARD THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES THEN. THE EXISTING GRADE IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO IT WITH AN ELEVATION OF 13. THE LOWEST STRUCTURAL MEMBER WHICH WE JUST MENTIONED WHERE THE OCEAN HOUSE WHICH WAS APPROVED BY YOUR BOARD, IS ELEVATION 15. WHICH DICTATES THE FIRST INHABITABLE THROOR OR FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION OF 18. THE SAME AS THE OCEAN HOUSE THAT WAS APPROVED BY DEP THAT WAS APPROVED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND BY THIS BOARD. WE'RE AT APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON. NOW IF WE GO FROM 18 TO THE HEIGHT OF THIS BUILDING, AND THROUGH THIS ONE, Y'ALL CAN SEE MY SCREEN OR I CAN WRITE ON IT. EVERYBODY SEE THAT CIRCLE THAT I PUT ON THE SCREEN? THAT IS WHAT THIS NUMBER IS WHAT'S ON THE ON OUR MVP HEIGHT MAPS. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THIS BUILDING, THE SURF CLUB. ELEVATION 18 WHICH IS OUR FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION PLUS

THE HEIGHT OF 54 GIVES YOU YOUR PROPOSED ELEVATION OF 72. >> NOW JUST TO EXPLAIN TO EVERYBODY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE, MOST PEOPLE WOULD SAY THAT BOTTOM FLOOR, YOU'RE WALKING ON BUT WHEN YOU GO INSIDE THE BUILDING THE FLOOR WILL BE AT 18 FEET.

>> THAT'S CORRECT, YES, MA'AM. AND THAT'S -- IT'S BASED ON THE DEP CALCULATIONS THAT WE

MENTIONED TWO SLIDES AGO. >> I'M JUST MAKING SURE. >> YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU FOR

CLARIFYING THAT. >> AND THAT'S ABOUT SIX FEET ABOVE THE ELEVATION OF THE BOULEVARD? 18 FEET? IT SAID THE BOULEVARD IS AT TEN

OR 12? >> TEN. >> THE BOULEVARD IS AROUND 10, THE FINISHED FLOOR IS AROUND 18. THE PARKING LOT FOR INSTANCE THE OCEAN HOUSE THE PARKING LOT IS 13. SO WE ARE STEPPING AS WE GO TOWARDS IT SO YOU SEE ADJACENT GRADE IS 13. THE FINISHED FLOOR HAS TO BE 18. WE HAVE NO CHOICE.

WE'RE SPENDING AS MR. PEYTON SAID, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE RESILL YEBT AND MEET DEP CRITERIA. OKAY? SO PER THE PUD APPLICATION WE ARE ASKING YOU TODAY TO CONSIDER 54 FEET FROM THE FINISHED FLIER ELEVATION.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. THAT'S WHAT THIS WAIVER ASKS, THAT'S WHAT OUR PUD DEFINES IT AS. WHICH WOULD PUT THE NEW PROPOSED TOP OF THIS BUILDING AT ELEVATION 72, AND THEN IF WE BACK IN MS. ROLLINSON CALCULATION IS RIGHT QUESTION SIDE IT, HOPEFULLY IT IS SUPERCLEAR. 59 TO ADJACENT GRADE.

59 FEET FROM THE TOP OF THE BUILDING TO ADJACENT GRADE.

CLARIFY I BELIEVE. THAT PROVISION THAT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT MECHANICAL ROOMS IS AVAILABLE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS WITHIN

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THE OVERLAY DISTRICT INFORMATION. >> OKAY.

I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT. >> WELL I'M GLAD WE'RE EXCLUDING IT THEN. WE'LL WAIT FOR MS. AVERY SMITH TO CLARIFY THAT.

OKAY. >> WAITING TO CONFIRM, I APOLOGIZE, I WAS HAVING A SIDE BAR WITH MS. HAGA. I HAVE SEEN IT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, I HAVE NOT SEEN IT IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT OF THE PONTE VEDRA DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

>> WITH IF IT EXISTS IT DID NOT OVERLAY. >> I WILL SAY FOR THE RECORD I WAS INCORRECT. I WAS THINKING OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHICH GIVES YOU THE CODE, THE FIVED REGULATIONS DO NOT. I WILL CORRECT THAT FOR THE RECORD, I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE HAVING THE SIDE BAR ABOUT.

>> OKAY. >> THE GOOD NEWS IS ALL OF OUR CALCULATIONS ALL OF OUR PLANS DO NOT INCLUDE THAT. YOU CAN SEE THIS EXHIBIT DOES NOT HAVE ANY PENETRATIONS ABOVE WHAT WE ARE CALLING THE TOP OF THE BUILDING. OKAY?

SO AS WE PUSH FORWARD -- >> JUST TO COMPARE, THE SPORTS CLUB THEN TO THE EXISTING PEYTON AND OCEAN BUILDINGS, THEY MEASURE 45 FEET ACCORDING TO OUR DEFINITION, AND THIS WOULD BE

59. WAIT, 45. >> THIS IS DRIVE.

>> OKAY YEAH I UNDERSTAND BUT I'M JUST KIND OF MEASURING IT TO THAT.

THE SURF CLUB IS RIGHT NEXT TO THOSE RIGHT? IT IS THE BUILDING RIGHT THEM TO

IT. >> IF I COULD GO BACK, REMEMBER THIS SLIDER HERE AND WE HAVE ACCORDING TO YOUR CALCULATIONS AND THE CODE'S CALCULATIONS, IT WON'T LET ME WRITE ON IT

ANYMORE. >> AND I APPRECIATE THIS. I'M VERY VISUAL AS WELL WHICH IS

WHY I'M GOING BACK AND FORTH TRY AND VISUALIZE IT. >> I HOPE IT IS BRINGING CLARITY TO A LOT OF PEOPLE TODAY. IT IS 59 FEET FOR THE SURF CLUB, THE OAKS CLUB IS RIGHT BESIDE IT

AND IT IS 45 FEET. >> DRIVE FEET. THE DELTA WOULD BE 9 FEET.

>> 45 TO 50 FEET. >> TRAIN FEET. YOU'LL SEE THAT.

>> I USED A CALCULATOR SORRY. >> I USE A CALCULATOR SORRY. WE HAVE COME OUT TO TRAIN FEET.

JUST FOR THE SAKE OF CLARITY, THIS BUILDING WILL INCLUDE BALL ROOMS, THIS IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL ROOM OR RESORT ROOM, THE FLORIDA HEIGHT, I'M PLAYING ARCHITECT HERE.

THE FLORIDA ROOM IS MUCH HIGHER THAN A RESORT ROOM, THAT IS THE DELTA THAT YOU'RE SEEING WITH

THE 14 FEET. >> THE OTHER THINGS IS YOU ARE ASKING FOR NO LIMITATION ON STORIES AS WELL, WHERE THE OCEAN AND PEYTON WERE THREE STORY LIMITATIONS CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. >> OKAY SO ACROSS THE STREET, WE HAVE THE SPORTS CLUB.

AND THE SPORTS CLUB IS NOW AGAIN ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BOULEVARD, NOT SUBJECT TO THE VELOCITY FLOOD ZONE. SO NOW WE HAVE TO TAKE OFF OUR DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND PUT ON OUR ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAT. LET'S START ON THE RIGHT AND GO UP AGAIN AS WE HAVE, ELEVATION OF PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD 10, THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION OF THIS BUILDING, ELEVATION 12 PER ST. JOHNS COUNTY CODE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PUD, WHAT WE'VE SAID, WE'VE SAID FROM FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION TO TOP. SO THAT NUMBER OF 54 PLUS ELEVATION 12 GIVES YOU AN ELEVATION OF THE TOP OF THIS BUILDING AT A 66.

WITH NO OTHER PENETRATIONS ABOVE IT. JUST TO THE RIGHT, AGAIN FOR CLARITY, IF YOU MEASURE IT PER THE OVERLAY IT'S 56 FEET. SO WE'RE ONLY TALKING TWO FEET OF DIFFERENCE. AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE FEMA TO DEAL WITH IN THIS CASE.

AND TWO FEET BETWEEN ADJACENT GRADE AND THE BUILDING IS PRETTY NORMAL AROUND HERE.

IF WE MOVE SOUTH TO THE LODGE, TO THE FITNESS CENTER WE'RE AGAIN LOOKING TO THE NORTH FACING PORTION OF THE BUILDING. SO WE'RE LOOKING SOUTH DOWN THE ROAD.

PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IN THIS AREA. BIVED BLF -- PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD IS ELEVATION LEN, GOES TO 12 AND OUR FINISHED FLOOR IS 13.

YOU SEE IN A MINIMUM WHERE NOAH WILL BRING YOU THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THIS BEAUTIFUL BUILDING BUT WE NEED 55 FEET FOR THE PRAPG OF THIS BUILDING WHICH WOULD TAKE US TO A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF ELEVATION 68. AGAIN LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE THAT GO DO OUR BUILDING HEIGHT PER THIS APPLICATION AGAIN WOULD BE 55 PER THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY OVERLAY 56 SO ONLY ONE FOOT OF DIFFERENCE. I HOPE THAT'S USEFUL. SO AS WE MOVE -- THIS IS A GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THIS MAP SHOWS THE YELLOW ARE

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>> I'M SORRY, I'M BEHIND -- IT'S A LITTLE THAT IS FOR ME. THAT LAST COLLIDE, ARE YOU GOING TO DO A COMPARISON -- THAT LAST SLIDE ARE YOU GOING TO DO A COMPARISON TO EXISTING BUILDINGS LIKE THE CARLYLE AND SOME OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE PRESENTATION IN THE FUTURE? BECAUSE LIKE THE ONES YOU SHOWED ME FOR THE INN IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL THE INN SURROUNDING IT.

IN TERMS OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND COMPARISONS WITH THIS ONE. WITH THIS ONE WE HAVE A PROPERTY

NEXT TO IT. >> YES, WE'LL TALK THROUGH THIS. YOU WILL ALSO NOTE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, IT TALKED ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THIS PROPOSED BUILDING IS COMPATIBLE OR INCONSISTENT

WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE CARLYLE. >> WE'LL COVER THAT LATER, GO ON, SORRY.

>> NO PROBLEM. MS. ROLLINSON ARE YOU OKAY WITH IN SLIDE? CAN I PUSH FORWARD? THANK YOU. THIS MAP REPRESENTATIVES, EXACTLY KIND OF A DWRSKAL DWENGM CHARACTERIZATION. HEIGHT COULD BE BASED ON THE DEFINITION THAT WE HAVE BEEN SPELLING OUT FOR THE LAST TEN MINUTES OR SO.

THIS IS ALSO THE SAME WITH THE LODGE. THIS IS THE LODGE SIDE.

BASED ON OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT THE PALMER BUILDING WAS A LITTLE HIGH FOR THE RESIDENTS JUST TO THE SOUTH AND WE'VE REDUCED THAT TO CODE OF 35.

WE'VE ALSO REMOVED ANY PROGRAM OF THE LODGE THAT WOULD ADD A STORY TO THAT LODGE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE LODGE IS NOW IN YELLOW AND THAT BUILDING TODAY IS 43 FEET WITH 57 FOOT

PROJECTIONS. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF THE PALMER AND YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS ALLEN ABOUT THE FACT THE THAT IT ACTUALLY ABUTS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

SO CODE WOULD ACTUALLY -- WOULD IT BE 25 FEET? BECAUSE IT ABUTS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF IT? WOULD IT BE ONE STORY AND 25 FEET WOULD BE CODE?

>> I'M GOING TO LET MS. HAGA LOOK THAT UP. >> OKAY.

>> SO WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT QUESTION. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

AND WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING HERE IS 35 FEET. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> WHICH HAS BEEN REDUCED AGAIN GOING BACK TO LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

THAT BUILDING WAS REDUCED THERE A REQUESTED 55 TO 35. SIMILARLY, FOR THE LODGE, WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE PEOPLE AT THE CA CARLYLE THEY DT WANT AN EXTRA FLOOR ON THAT FOR ROOMS. AGAIN IF THE PROFILE OF THE LAJ IF IT EVER NEEDS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED WILL MEET THE PROFILE OF THE BUILDING TODAY. WE ARE GRABBING THAT DETAIL IN A DOCUMENT AND WE'LL SUBMIT THAT IN WITH OUR NEXT AND MIDDLE WHICH WILL BE AFTER THIS BOARD

AND AFTER PZA. >> SO IF IT'S 43 FEET TODAY IT WILL BE -- I'M SORRY.

>> SO I JUST WANT TO BACK UP TO THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDINGS ON PONTE VEDRA INN AND CLUB.

>> I'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH EVERY LENGTH OF THE BUILDINGS. >> JUST RELATED AND TO WHEN YOU DID THE OCEAN AND THE PEYTON HOUSE WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT OVERALL MASS.

SO WE COMBINE THE WIDTH AND THE HEIGHT. AND SO SOME OF THOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS ARE VERY, VERY LONG, THE ONE FURTHEST TO THE NORTH. AND SO THAT LONG BUILDING, AT THAT TIME MUCH HIGHER HEIGHT WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT MASS? IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT, SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE A BETTER APPRECIATION OF THAT.

>> SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD, OUR ARCHITECT FOR THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION IS LATER IN THE

PRESENTATION. >> OKAY. >> IF THAT'S OKAY.

>> COULD YOU GIVE LIKE ONE SLIDE FOR ME REALTY QUICK, IF YOU MIND.

>> THIS ONE MR. GREENE? >> YES. DID WE JUST HAVE THAT

CONVERSATION WITH SURF CLUB WOULD BE 57 FEET? >> LET ME GO BACK TO IT.

SO YOU SAW 54 ON THAT SHEET. SO RIGHT HERE, OH, I SEE. I'M -- MY APOLOGIES.

>> NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE. AND THAT'S WHERE I WENT THROUGH BOTH CALCULATIONS, FINISHED

FLOOR AND ADJACENT GRADE. >> IF PONTE VEDRA I THINK OVERLAY IT IS THE 59?

>> 59. >> YEAH, IT'S THE 59. THAT'S THE ONE I WOULD REALLY

LIKE TO SEE. SO. >> I'VE GOT A QUESTION.

ON THE REQUIRED MINIMUM ELEVATION, BY DEP, IS THAT GOING TO END UP BEING REQUIRED FOR

RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TOO? >> WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

>> NO NO, JUT STRICTLY IF IN THE FUTURE IF SOMEBODY'S BUILDING A HOUSE WILL THAT BE A

REQUIREMENT? >> IF THEY'RE WITHIN THE BE FLOOD ZONE AND WITHIN THE CCL I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. I WOULD ARE DEFER TO MR. DE SOUSA.

>> THAT IS WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE FLOOD MAP. IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE

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RELATIVE TO THE OCEAN. >> INDEPENDENT OF THIS CONVERSATION, BUT -- YES.

>> YOU WILL ACTUALLY HAVE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY UNLESS YOU'RE CLASSIFYING IT AS SOMETHING ELSE. THE THREE HOMES SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.

WHAT ARE WE CLARIFYING THAT AS? >> IN THE PUD TEXT IF THE PUD IS APPROVED THOSE CANNOT BE SINGLE FAMILY. THEY WILL BE USED AS RESORT LODGING ONLY.

THEY SWITCHED THEIR CLASSIFICATION. >> I

>> THANK YOU. >> SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION. >> MANAGER, IF I CAN EXPAND ON THAT.OU DO HAVE THAT STANDARD IN SECTION 825 A3. WHICH STATES THAT THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT SHOULD BE 25 FEET. WHERE BUILDING IS LOCATED LESS THAN 150 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY. I KNOW GREATER THAN ONE STORE LOCATED LESS THAN 50 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIALLY FULL PROPERTY. DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT?

>> YES. WHERE IS THAT? YOU KNOW WHAT PAGE IT'S ON?

>> 140. OF THE CODE. PAGE 140.

>> IF YOU HAVE THE PAPER COPY, IT'S PAGE 38. >> PAGE 39.

REMIND ME. >> I HAVE MY OWN COPY. >> ARTHUR ÃTHAT'S ALL RIGHT.

SO EXPLAIN TO ME THE LAST SPEAKER JUST SAID VERSUS WHAT YOU JUST SAID.SO DO WE HAVE A LIMITATION ON BUILDING HEIGHT? VERSUS JUST THE SETBACKS? IF WE WERE APPLYING OUR OVERLAY

DISTRICT UPON THE MAJOR ZONING COMMITTEE. >> THE DEPENDS ON WHERE THE BUILDING IS LOCATED. OKAY. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PALMER BUILDING. SO WHAT APPLIES TO THE PALMER BUILDING?

>> IF IT'S WITHIN 150 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ÃÃTHE PROPERTY BUILDING HEIGHT MAXIMUM IS 25 FEET. AND WHEN IT'S 50 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ÃTHE

SECOND WILL BE ONE STORY. >> OKAY. SO DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR THAT PROPERTY IS FROM THE BUILDING IS FROM THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF IT ÃÃWHICH IS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME?NOTHER SOME PARKING THAT SEPARATES IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW.

I'VE NOT MEASURED IT. I JUST SEEN IT. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO PUT

ON YOUR TO DO LIST. AND TAKE A LOOK AT. >> THANK YOU.

>> I THINK IT'S OVERTURNING BECAUSE THEY HAVE TWO PARKING LANES AND A SECTION IN BETWEEN.

O ÃÃI WOULD GUESS. >> THAT COULD BE ON A TO DO LIST TO LOOK AT IT.> JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT THE CODE IS VERSUS WHAT YOU ARE REQUESTING. LL RIGHT.

HAS THAT PERSON BEEN NOTICED DO YOU KNOW? >> YES.

>> THEY HAVE BEEN? OKAY. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. >> GREAT. NO PROBLEM.O ÃÃAS WE LOOK AT THIS AND WE'VE HAD THESE GRAPHICS ÃTHIS WE'VE HAD CROSS-SECTIONS, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GIVE YOU A GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY THERE.

I THINK MR. WALLACE AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. WE NEED A PICTURE.

THIS IS THE EXISTING CERVICAL MOTION HOUSE PERSPECTIVE. PTHIS WAS A MAP THAT WAS FLOWN

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SO AS WE GO TO THE AFTER THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE. WITH THE BUILDING THEY START TO PRECARIOUS DESIGN. YOU CAN BARELY SEE THE SPORTS CLUB ON YOUR RIGHT.

WE'LL GET TO THAT SLIDE MOMENT. BUT BEFORE AND AFTER AM SORRY Ã ÃSORRY, THAT SLIDE IS JUST SHIFTING A LITTLE BIT. SO THERE'S A BEFORE AND AFTER LOOKING SOUTH ON BEACH BOULEVARD.SIMILARLY DOCTORS LOOK AT THE PALM BEACH HISTORIC AND ÃÃSO THIS IS AGAIN, LOOKING SOUTH OVER THAT WOULD BEAUTIFUL FOUNTAIN. IF YOU'VE BEEN VALET ÃAS THIS AREA IS BEING DONE AGAIN AND IT GETS REINVESTED INTO THIS AREA. AND IF WE HAVE THE SPORTS CLUB BUILDING ÃÃAGAIN, HORIZONTALLY AND VERTICALLY CORRECT.

INTO INTO THE AREA. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT. I KNOW ONE OF THE ISSUES HAS BEEN THE PARKING FOR THAT. FOR THE SPORTS CLUB. PARKING GARAGE AND THEN I THINK THE APPLICATION NOW SAYS THAT THE RAILING WILL NOT BE OVER 38 FEET.

WHERE IS THAT IN THE PICTURE? IN THIS PICTURE? HAS BEEN ADJUSTED FOR THAT?

OR NOT? >> IT HAS NOT. WHEN HOW THIS PRESENTATION HE

WILL SHOW THAT. >> I WILL DEFER MY QUESTION. >> OUTSTANDING, THANK YOU.

>> CAN I GET BACK TO PREVIOUS SLIDE PLEASE? >> I'M SLOT I'M SORRY?

>> CAN I GO BACK TO PREVIOUS SLIDE PLEASE? >> SURE.

WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO? >> THAT ONE DOWN.

>> ON THE OTHER SIDE. I'M THERE. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT MIGHT DIFFERENTIAL THIS? AROUND THE PRIOR TO THE POST? IT LOOKS LIKE THE 50 PERCENT

HIGHER? >> I DO NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM YOU.

>> HOW ABOUT FEET? >> I'M SORRY? >> ABOUT FEET?

>> I THINK WE SAID IT'S WORKING. IS IT 1459 VERSUS THE 49.>

IS ASKING THAT THE EXISTING. >> I'M SORRY. HE SAID IT'S A TWO-STORY BUILDING. SO IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S GONNA BE LARGER BECAUSE IT'S A THREE-STORY BUILDING AND WE ARE FLOOR FROM ELEVATION 13 TO AT - ELEVATION 18.

YES. >> BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PARTICULAR.

>> WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU DURING THE BREAK. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS TO TAKE CARE OF. [LAUGHTER] AND GO BACK ONE MORE. I SPENT A LOOK AT THE SETBACK FOR THAT.

OKAY. BECAUSE THE PARKING FOR THE PATENT OCEAN MAKES THE SETBACK DIFFERENT THAN TO LOOK AT THAT AND LOOK AT THE NEXT OKAY. SO THANK YOU.

SO STILL GOING TO HAVE TESTED LOOKS AT THE CIRCULAR DRIVE DROP-OFF JUST DISAPPEARED FROM

THIS PICTURE. IS IT STILL THERE. >> TEAMING FOR THE SURF CLUB?

>> I BELIEVE THERE STILL IS A LITTLE BIT MORE VERTICAL SHE IN THE DROP-OFF.

YES THERE IS MAMA. WE DO HAVE THESE GOING DOWN THE STREET THE KIND OF BUFFER THAT.

SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE. >> WERE GOING TO GET TO THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS WHICH ARE EXHIBIT D TO THE PUD. SO WE ARE WALKING YOU THROUGH LITERALLY THE TEXT AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE EXHIBITS NEXT IN OUR

PRESENTATION. >> IN I HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE ABOUT SEVEN TIMES IF ANYTHING FOR THEY REALLY GET IT. SO THAT'S YOUR FOURTH NOW. I THINK.

THANK YOU ALAN. >> SO THE DROP-OFF ON THE RIGHT WILL BE FOR.

>> FOR THE SPORTS CLUB? >> ON THE SPORTS SIDE. >> SPORTS CLUB WITHIN THE SPORTS CLUBÁYOU CAN BARELY SEE IT. IF YOU SEE MY RIGHT THERE.

IT'S HARD TO DROP OFF THEIR SPORTS CLUB. THAT'S WHERE YOUR INTO THE

PARKING GARAGE FOR JUST NORTH. >> THAT'S WITH THE PARKING GARAGE IS?

>> IT'S REALLY A LOT OF WAYS IT'S GREAT BECAUSE WE ARE REMOVING ALL THESE ACCESS POINTS OVER THERE AT THE RACQUET CLUB. IT WOULD ALL DISAPPEAR.

SO YOU HAVE LESS ACCESS POINT. UNTIL YOU GET DOWN TO THE ROAD MORE TO THE SIDE.

>> RANDOM. WE ARE GOING TO SHOW YOU GET THAT DETAIL OF ALL THE ENTRANCES TO THAT USED SPORTS CLUB. WITH MR. BRYCE.

>> ALL RIGHT ÃÃTHANK YOU. >> OKAY, BACK TO YOU HELEN. >> OKAY ÃÃVERY QUICKLY BECAUSE THIS IS HOPEFULLY LESS COMPLICATED. THIS IS WAIVER TWO.O GOING TO YOUR PUD TEXT. AGAIN, WAIVER TWO. RELATED TO NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES USED AS AND LOTS. SO THIS IS JUST BY WAY OF EXAMPLE.

USE THE EXISTING IN. WELDING. YOU SEE THIS PROPERTY AGAIN.

PART OF THE INABILITY IS WITHIN THAT COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

PART OF IT IS WITH THAT RESIDENTIAL BEACH. SO IF YOU SEE THE PUD TEXT THAT WE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY ON SEPTEMBER 1 JUST AS YOU ALL KNOW THAT FOR THIS PARTICULAR

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THERE ARE LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES AND USES THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.

>> THANK YOU YELLEN. I WANT TO GO BACK JUST ONE SECOND A WAIVER ONE ALSO INCLUDES THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE WOULD NOT BE THE REVIEWING BODY CORRECT? YOU'RE ASKING FOR WAIVER FROM THAT AS WELL? IS THAT ONE?

>> IS MORE THAN ONE. NOW. IT'S FIVE.

WE ADDED A WAIVER TO TAKE CARE OF STAFF COMMENT ÃÃWHICH IS NOW WAIVER FOUR, WHICH WE WILL GET TO IN A COUPLE MINUTES. WAIVER FIVE IS THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> UNA STAFF REVIEW ÃÃTHAT I HAVE. >> THE LAST THING THAT THEY DO SAY THAT THE ARK SHOULD REVIEW ITS STRUCTURE TO DETERMINE COMPLIANCE WITH THE INTENT AND PURPOSE PRESERVES ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE WANTING TO WAIVE IT THERE.

BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER. OKAY? >> YES ÃÃOTHER WAY.

>> SO THIS IS JUST A GAME ÃÃ ANOTHER EXAMPLE. THIS BUILDING SEPARATIONS THAT DON'T MEET CODE TODAY. AND SO ÃÃAGAIN, THESE ARE NONCONFORMITIES.

AS LONG AS THESE BUILDINGS WERE MADE ÃÃWE WANT THEM TO BE CONSIDERED VESTED OR GRANDFATHERED IF YOU WILL.

WHICH IS LANDSCAPE OFFERS YOUR CODE HAS TO BE A 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO ADJACENT RIGHT OF WAYS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER DONE THIS BEFORE.

MY WIFE AND I DROVE DOWN THE BOULEVARD AND AS YOU LOOK DOWN THAT ROAD, I DOUBT YOU WOULD HAVE EVER KNOWN THAT THIS CLUB ANALYTES DO NOT HAVE 20 FOOT BUFFERS TODAY.

THAT'S FOR A COUPLE REASONS I THINK. I THINK PRIMARILY IT'S BECAUSE MAJOR CORPORATION HAS A MAIN DISAGREEMENT WITH ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

AND THEY'VE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE PLANTINGS IN THE HARDSCAPE THE LANDSCAPE THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE THINGS. AND BECAUSE THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC'S SPACE ÃÃWHICH IS THE RED WHITE AND THE PRIVATE SIDE WHICH IS THEIR LANDHOLDINGS JUST AS THE LANDSCAPING IS COMPLETELY INGREDIENTS. SO EFFECTIVELY JUSTICE WHAT YOU HAVE IS A BUFFER THAT REALLY STARTS TO AT THE BACK OF THE CURVE WORK JUST OUTSIDE THE ROAD THAT GOES PUBLIC TO YOU NOT ÃJUST THE PARKING OR WHATEVER THAT HARD HEDGE IS.

SO IN THIS CASE YOU SEE A SCREENSHOT FROM STREET VIEW OF THE PATENT HOUSE.

AND MS. MCKINLEY, YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS A MINUTE AGO. I DID THE PATENT HOUSE IN 2017 AND 18. AND WHEN MISTY PUT THE SLIDE UP THERE I SAID WELL ÃTHIS ARTICLE ESCAPE BUFFERS. AT THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION SO I PULLED THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER HERE ÃIS ALL THAT LOOKS REALLY GOOD WAS ONLY EIGHT FEET IN THIS ONE AREA. THAT'S BECAUSE THE INTEGRATION OF ALL THESE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SIDE. IN THE LANDSCAPE OF THE CLUB HAS HAD.

WITH DOWN INSIDE THE SITE OF INTEREST. IN A WAY.

TO KEEP THESE FACILITIES VERY TOP-NOTCH. IN FACT ÃJUST I WOULD SAY THAT UPON A BEACH BOULEVARD OF PONTEVEDRA TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE MEMBERS AND TO THE GUESTS. IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY HAVE.

NEXT SLIDE? SO AS YOU SEE HERE ÃÃTHIS IS THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN.

AND THIS MASTER PLAN DONE BY COOPER CARRIE AND WITH THE REST OF THE TEAMS INPUT IS BEAUTIFUL.VERY THOUGHTFUL. AND IT TAKES AN ACCOUNT FOR PEDESTRIAN SPACES AND TAKES INTO ACCOUNT LANDSCAPING. THE HARDSCAPE ÃIS THE APPROPRIATE BUFFERS ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THE VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN EXPENSE GOING UP AND DOWN PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD IS BETTER THAN IT IS TODAY. YOU CAN SEE THE STREET TREES THAT ARE ALONG THERE. IN THE BRAND-NEW FUCHSIA I THINK IT WAS 150 FEET? IN FRONT OF THE HISTORIC AND. JUST TO SAY THAT THESE AREAS HAD BEEN THOUGHTFUL THE ENTIRE WAYS WITH ALL THAT SAID ÃÃNO PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ON THE LARGE SIDE OR IN THE INSIDE WOULD EVER BE LESS THAN FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER PERSPECTIVE.PON REQUEST.

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TO THE SURF CLUB. >> GOING TO MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE AGAIN.

THIS IS THE WAIVER NUMBER FOUR BECAUSE THE PONTEVEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS WHICH PRETTY ARE WHICH THIS RESORT PREDATES THE PONTEVEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS ÃÃWE ARE ASKING TO COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAXIMUMS FOR PERVIOUS SERVICES AND LOT COVERAGE. I'M SORRY. I TAKE THAT BACK.

JUST LOT COVERAGE. BECAUSE WAIVER FOUR ÃAS YOU WILL SEE THIS IS A MINIMAL LOT COVERAGE IN SECTION 8. ÃM AS IN MARY OF THE PONTEVEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS.

WHICH SETS MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE OF BUILDINGS LOWER THAN IS ALLOWED BY THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. SEEKING TO ADD OR SEEKING A WAIVER TO JUST COMPLY WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION ALLOWANCES IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN.

CAN TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES IN THOSE SO THE OVERLAY DISTRICT JUSTICE WHAT IS THE CODE? WHAT IS THE EXISTING TODAY WHAT ARE YOU REQUESTING?

>> SO THE CODE IS I BELIEVE LINDSAY AND I BELIEVE IF I'M WRONG ÃCORRECTLY.

65 PERCENT. THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS IN THE CHART THAT

I SHOWED YOU GO BETWEEN 70 AND 75 PERCENT. >> AND WHAT IS IT TODAY FOR THESE MISSING PROPERTIES?F YOU LOOK TODAY.ND IT STAYED THE SAME?

>> TODAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. AS FAR AS LOT COVERAGE BY BUILDINGS PER THE EXISTING CONDITION ÃTHIS AGAIN ÃTHESE ARE THE SAME FUTURE LAND USE

DESIGNATIONS THAT EXIST ON THE PROPERTIES TODAY. >> THEY ARE REQUESTING 10

PERCENT HIGHER THAN WHAT THE OVERLAY DISTRICT ALLOWS? >> EITHER FIVE OR 10.

DEPENDING ON WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS. AGAIN ÃJUST THEIR DIFFERENT FARC ISR AND LOT COVERAGES PERMITTED DEPENDING ON IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR RESIDENTIAL BE

OR COMMERCIAL. >> OKAY. GOOD, THANK YOU.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE ON ISR CHANGE. PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD HAS PROVEN PROPENSITY TO FLY. AND SO ÃÃWHAT I AM INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT ANY WATER COULD SOMEHOW BE KEPT ON THE PROPERTY THROUGH DRY WELLS AND ETC. IT WOULD ALSO BE A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR OTHER RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS BOULEVARD THEY COULD SEE IN A JUSTICE BESETTING STANDARD AND THAT THEY COULD ALSO ENOUGH JUSTICE TO THE ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL.

IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO DO. >> IT'S GREAT QUESTION. AND BECAUSE MOST OF THESE BUILDINGS AND PARKING LOTS PREDATE CODE. I KNOW YOU'RE TIRED OF HEARING ME SAY THAT. BUT IT'S TRUE. THE COUNTY CODE AND DELANEY'S CODE. ALSO THE WATER MAN STRICT DISTRICT CODE CAME ABOUT IN 1986 OR 1987 SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. THESE BUILDINGS WERE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED BEFORE THAT. SO ANY BRIEF DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE TO BE CONCERNED STATE OF FLORIDA CHAPTER 64 CRITERIA FOR STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS.

WHICH WOULD MEAN DETENTION. WHICH BEAT YOUR DESCRIBING HEATING THE WATER BOARD THE STRAIGHT FOR THE WATER BODY. AND TREATMENT. SO THE NEW STANDARDS WOULD BE GOING TO FREE DEVELOPMENT OCCURS.OR INSTANCE MS. MCKINLEY IN THE OCEAN HOUSE ÃÃ WE DID THE UNDERGROUND STORMWATER CHAMBERS. FOR IN THE PARKING LOT.

SOME SORT OF SORT OF DETENTION WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN TO HER FOR YOU TO DO DEVELOPMENT.

>> AND TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND QUICKLY PRODUCING THAT NEW DETENTION FACILITIES HAVE TO BE BUILT THAT CAN BE UNDERGROUND AS WELL. NONE OF THE LAGOONS ARE USED AS

THE TENSION IS THAT CORRECT? >> WE DO NOT HAVE A PERMIT TO USE THE LAGOONS.ASK AS DETENTION. IN THE PAST ÃÃWE'VE HAD TO FOLLOW THE STATE OF FLORIDA,

WHICH WAS UNDERGROUND CHAMBERS. >> THANK YOU. >> CAN'T TALK ABOUT HOW YOU MEASURE THIS? WITH THE LARGE BEING ABOUT A MILE AND AND A HALF DOWN THE STREET VERSUS THE END YOU KNOW? 70|5 PERCENT AND AVERAGE? WHAT IF THEY WERE SEPARATE PUD'S OR WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT WOULD THE LOGIC MEASURE ON ITS OWN? IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT DOESN'T HAVE THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING IT THAT THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE. SO I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

>> SO I CAN POINT YOU OUT TO THE AGAIN ÃÃI THINK THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF THE CONSTERNATION IN THE PUBLIC BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT FORCIBLE THE SOCIAL HISTORY ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE. SUBTEST IS BEFORE WE EVER FILED THE PUD APPLICATION ÃÃWE MET

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THE SAWGRASS MARRIOTT. WHICH IS IN THE PLAYERS CLUB PUD.

INCLUDES THE SAWGRASS MARRIOTT PROPERTY WHICH IS OVER NEAR SAWGRASS VILLAGE.

AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE LODGE. SO THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT SIDE-BY-SIDE HAVE BEEN PRESUMED TO PUD.

A SIMILAR SITUATION OCCURRED IN LIFE AND SOBERLY. AND SO ÃÃI JUST KNOW THAT FOR THE RECORD ÃJUST THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT. SO TO YOUR POINT ÃÃSAID WE ARE MEANT TO BE PUTTING THEM TOGETHER AS COMBINED. BECAUSE A LOT AND IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION 20 BACK TO THE POT TO THE PUD TEXT SECTION V AS IN VICTORY.

>> WHAT PAGE ELLEN? IT'S EASIER TO FIND IF YOU HAVE A PAGE.

>> I THE RED LINE OF IT. 26? >> 26?THEY ARE NOT THAT DIFFERENT. I COULD FIND IT. OKAY.

>> OKAY? SEVEN THERE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER FIR AND ISR. THAT GIVES YOU THE CALCULATIONS COMBINED FOR BOTH PROPERTIES

AND IS A CHART. EASY TO LAND USE MAPS? >> YES.

>> AND THEN AT THE VERY BACK, YOU SEE AGAIN, THE MAXIMUM AND THE WORD MAXIMUM IS BOLDFACED.

THIS IS ON PAGE 33. >> RIGHT. >> THAT SHOWS THAT THAT'S THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED INTENSITY BY LAND-USE CATEGORY. LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

HEN ÃÃLET ME FLIP BACK AND FIND MY PAGE. I THINK IT'S IN SECTION F. AS IN FRANK. MAYBE J. YES. SECTION G AS IN GEORGE.

ON SURFACE RATIOS WITHIN THE PROPERTIES, WHICH WOULD BE COMBINED SHALL NOT EXCEED THAT ALLOWED IN THE APPLICABLE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS IN THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS MONITORED THROUGH A INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

>> OKAY. AND YOU KNOW ÃÃWHAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT AND I THINK I HEARD THIS FROM MEGAN IS THE FLOODING THAT OCCURS ON PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD.

WHICH IS WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT THESE TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES BECAUSE THE LODGE SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO HAVE MORE COVERAGE AND SO ÃÃCOMBINING THEM DOES NOT HELP TOO MUCH.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE IF YOU JUST HAD THAT STAND ALONE? >> FROM A STORMWATER

PERSPECTIVE? >> YES. >> LET'S PUT IT ALL ASIDE FOR SECOND. ANOTHER CORRELATED, BUT THE LODGE CURRENTLY HAS STORMWATER FACILITY ON THE PROPERTY. IT COULD USE SOME WORK MIND YOU.

AND AS WE IMPROVE THE PROPERTY, WE COULD DO THAT. BUT IT SHOULD DETAIN AND TREAT THE WATER STANDALONE AS IT EXISTS TODAY. SO æ

>> IS THAT WERE CONTAINED IN THE PUD? >> AS FAR ZONING AND APPROVALS PERPLEXING TO BE PART OF THE ZONING APPROVALS TO DO THE WORK ON THAT?

>> PERMANENT RESIDENCE. >> FOR FUTURE WORK? >> WHICH MEANS WE COULD USE

SOME WORK LIKELY TO DO. >> AS ALAN MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO PUD, THEN WE ASSUME THAT WE WILL HAVE MEDICINE, BUT MANDATED TO FOLLOW THE LAND DEVELOPMENT

CODE ÃÃIN THE MAN'S DIRECT DISTRICT AND EVERYONE ELSE. >> WILL ALSO HAPPEN IS THAT THE LODGE AREAS IS ONE OF THE FEW AREAS THAT DOES NOT FLOOD ON THE BOULEVARD.

>> THAT'S TRUE. I'VE DRIVEN THROUGH. >> ACTUALLY CATCHES SPACES INDUSTRY FOR THEN YOU GO MILE AND HALF NORTH AND THERE'S NOT ANOTHER CATCH SPACE UNTIL æ

>> I LIKE TO LEAVE IT THAT WAY TO SINCE I LIVE TWO BLOCKS AWAY.

NO FLOODING. >> THE BEST PART OF THE ISSUE IS THE FACT THAT IT WAS DESIGNED ÃTHIS WAS DESIGNED TO JUST PARK IT PRINTS OUT AND THAT MOM AFTER BASIS.

THERE SPACES DOWN TO THE LODGE SUMMER INSTALL ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.

MANY OF SPACES AT THE TOP AND BOTTOM.> YOU PROBABLY SEEN THE DIFFERENCE IN AGE.

BECAUSE THE LODGE HAD THE FITNESS CENTER FOR THE LODGE HAD TO BUILD UPON.

YOU KNOW? OBVIOUSLY LATER BILL HAVING FILED A CODE AT THAT POINT.

>> OKAY. ARE WE FINISHED WITH WAIVER FOUR? OKAY.E ARE MOVING ALONG. I DON'T WANT TO TALK QUICKLY BECAUSE OKAY.

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THIS IS THE WAIVER FROM THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PONTEVEDRA ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. OR EVERY ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN COLOR MATERIAL AS WELL AS SIGNAGE. SO ÃÃWE ACTUALLY WENT TO THAT BOARD LAST WEDNESDAY.

THAT THE PDA RC RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF EXHIBIT D ÃÃWHICH IS THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, COLORS, AND MATERIALS. THEY ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE PONTEVEDRA CLUB SPORTS AND SURF. WHICH YOU ARE GOING TO SEE FROM KYLE IN A FEW MINUTES.

SO THIS WAIVER ÃÃAND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE ARCHITECTURE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN A FEW MINUTES. BUT LITERALLY THIS WAIVER JUST ASK AS LONG AS WE COMPLY WITH THIS ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, COLORS, AND MATERIALS, THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PDR EVERY TIME FOR ARCHITECTURAL COLORS AND MATERIALS. NOW ÃÃTHIS EXAMPLE AND AGAIN, EXHIBIT D IS A PART OF THIS PUD. IT'S INCORPORATED BY REFERENCE AS ARE THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS THAT WE WILL SHOW YOU TODAY BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE AGREED TO WITH PDR LAST WEEK.OU SEE THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES. THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE CLUB AND FOR THE MAJOR ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT SOMEBODY MORE ARTISTIC AND ARCHITECTURALLY PROFICIENT THEN I WILL GO OVER IN A MINUTE. AND THEN AGAIN, YOU SEE THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE AND COLORS. AND THEN SIMILARLY FOR THE LODGE, YOU SEE THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE OF THE EXISTING LARGE BUILDING ON THE OCEANFRONT IS NOT PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED. IT MAY BE UPDATED OR REFRESHED. BUT THAT BUILDING WILL REMAIN.

THE NEW BUILDING, WHICH IS THE LODGE WILL LOOK LIKE THESE IMPRESSIONS AND WITH THESE

MATERIALS AND THESE COLORS. SO THAT HER FIVE. >> I JUST WANT TO COMMENT BECAUSE I HAD THE PLEASURE OF READING THE STAFFING REPORT. THE COMPANY ALL THE WAIVERS.

AND REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR WAIVER IS IN MY TEXT HERE. THE STAFF IS OF THE OPINION.

THE ARK SHOULD REVIEW EACH BUILDING AS IT IS BEING PERMITTED.

ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT IS REVIEWED BY THE ADHESIVE COMPATIBLE AND VISUALLY HARMONIOUS APPEARANCE WITHIN THE AREA APPROVAL OF COLOR PALETTE AND ARCHITECTURE STYLES AND MATERIALS CANNOT DEPICT THE END RESULT OR APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING.

APPLICATION REVIEW STAFF MAY NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE OF ARCHITECTURAL OR EXTERIOR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS. SO ÃTHAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO MEET THE COUNTY IS SAYING THIS IS BEYOND OUR REAL HOUSE. WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS AN ARCHITECT LOOK AT THAT AND THEY PROBABLY COULD DO THE REVIEW AT A MUCH FASTER RATE BECAUSE THEY COULD VISUALIZE WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE MATERIALS LIKE YOU JUST SAID. WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT ÃÃI DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUILDING IS GONNA WIND UP LOOKING LIKE. BUT PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECT WOULD IN THEARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO ARCHITECTS ON ITS COURT.

>> WITH MEGAN ÃÃI THOUGHT THEY APPROVED THE LOOKS OF THE BUILDING.

ESPECIALLY AT THE PONTEVEDRA CLUB. LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURAL LOOK OF THE BUILDINGS AND THEN AT THE LODGE ÃÃTHEY DIDN'T LIKE THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING.

DIDN'T LIKE THE LOOK OF THE PARKING GARAGE. THOUGHT THEY PROVED THAT.

>> ACTUALLY CALLED ONE OF THE MEMBERS TO CLARIFY THAT EXACTLY WHAT THEY PROVED.

AND I THINK THEE WAS SOME CONFUSION AMONG MEMBERS AS WHAT THEY THINK THEY PROVED AND BECAUSE IT WAS AT THE END OF YOU NOT ÃÃALONG MEETING. SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THE STAFF IS SAYING AND THEY ARE SAYING THAT THE STAFF WANTS US TO REPORT OF AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AND THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. TO HAVE THEM DO IT.

IT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THE ZONING BOARD COULD DO. IT SHOULD BE SENT TO THE AGENCY WHICH IS BASICALLY HAS THAT SKILL SET. AND IT'S PART OF THEIR CHARTER.

>> AND I KNOW THAT THEY ALSO CONSTERNATION OVER THE SIGNS OF THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS.

THE MONUMENTAL SIGNS FOR THE MONUMENTAL SIGNS WERE DRESSED IN OTHER SIGNS ARE NOT ADDRESSED. AND THEY THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO REVIEW THIS.

>> THEY ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE UNIFIED SIGN PLAN.

THEY DID NOT APPROVE THAT. >> THEY DID NOT APPROVE. >> THEY DID NOT APPROVE.

LET'S STICK WITH THIS ITEM RIGHT NOW. LET'S NOT JUMP AHEAD TO OTHER

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SLIDES. >> OKAY. OKAY, JUST FOR THE RECORD, IT SAYS THIS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. THE PONTEVEDRA ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE LAST WEDNESDAY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF EXHIBIT D, WHICH IS THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, COLORS, AND MATERIALS PER THE ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE ARCHITECTURE FOR PONTEVEDRA UNIT CLUB SPORTS, AND SURF. BECAUSE WE PUT THOSE TWO ACTUAL ELEVATION SETS INTO THE RECORD.

WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WILL BE A LITTLE MORE WORK REQUIRED FOR THE LODGE SPORT, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO SHOW YOU AGAIN ÃÃWE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU ARCHITECTURE WHEN WE GET TO EXHIBIT D. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DOCUMENT BY DOCUMENT IN THE PUD TEXT.

BUT GOING BACK TO THE STAFF REPORT ÃÃIT SAYS WHAT IT SAYS.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SO ÃÃAGAIN ÃÃWE ARE GOING THROUGH A WAIVER BY WAIVER BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND ÃÃYOUR BOARD IS GOING TO ACT ON EACH OF THE WAIVERS FOR THE PONTEVEDRA DISTRICT ZONING REGULATIONS.SO WE ARE WALKING YOU THROUGH THE DETAIL ON EACH

REQUESTED WAIVER. >> RIGHT. AND I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW ADVISED BY STAFF THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IN REVIEWING THOSE

APPLICATIONS. >> YES. AND THEY HAVE TWO VERY GOOD ARCHITECTS ON THE PDR WHO AGREED WITH US THAT OUR ARCHITECTURE IS LOVELY.

[LAUGHTER] >> SO ALAN, HAVE A QUESTION. SO WE'RE STILL ON NUMBER FIVE, RIGHT? AND IT SAYS IN THE UNIFIED SIGN PLAN AND ON ARCHITECTURAL STYLES HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY PVART. BUT THEY DID NOT APPROVE A SIGN

PLAN. ARE YOU MENDING A WAIVER? >> NOTE ÃÃTHE WAIVER IS AS

WRITTEN. >> SO THEY HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED AND YOU WAIVER SAID

THAT THEY DID APPROVE IT? >> THE WAIVER SAID THAT THIS WAIVER REQUEST THAT THE OWNER

NOT BE REQUIRED. >> BECAUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARAGRAPH, AS IS THE LODGE PROPERTY RESPECTFULLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PARAGRAPH AND IT SAYS PERIOD AND THEN BOTH THE UNIFIED SIGN PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL STYLES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

AS PART OF ITS REVIEW BY THE PUD APPLICATION. WAS THAT JUST A TYPO?

>> I HAVE NOT REVISED THIS IN SEPTEMBER 1. OKAY. >> SO YOU WOULD ASSUME THAT

THEY APPROVED IT WHEN THEY READ IT? >> I WILL MAKE A NOTE THAT I NEED TO LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE MORE CAREFULLY. BUT YES ÃÃYOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. THAT THEY DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE UNIFIED SIGN PLAN AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE WORK TO DO ON THE UNIFIED SIGN PLAN.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO ALSO BE REALLY CLEAR THAT THEY NEED TO STILL REVIEW THE LODGE.

THEY DID NOT APPROVE THE LODGE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. AND THEN THE BUILDING SINCE IN THE PUD ÃÃIT INCLUDES THE THREE HOMES AT 301, 303, 305, AND ALSO THE LODGE BUILDING.

THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE REVIEWED TO BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RENDERINGS OF SOMETHING ÃÃ I DON'T ÃÃI GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE ÃÃI WOULD NOT APPROVE THE WAIVER THAT TAKES THE ART OUT OF IT. WHERE THEY HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT RENDERINGS.

HAT'S MY OPINION.> JUST TO CLARIFY. THE WAIVER THAT IS BEFORE YOUR BOARD TODAY ÃÃWAIVER FIVE ASKS THAT BASED ON WHAT WAS EXHIBITED AND APPLICATIONS EXHIBITS D FOR ARCHITECTURE AND E FOR SIGNAGE ÃÃTHE APPROVED AS THAT PACKAGE BECAUSE THEY AGAIN ÃÃTHEY INCLUDE THE ARCHITECTURAL LOOK OF BOTH PROPERTIES.HAT'S WHAT THEY REQUEST IS. SO YOUR BOARD CAN EITHER DECIDE THAT THEY WERE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THAT SPECIFIC WAIVER.

BUT THAT ÃDISTRICT. >> IT WOULD APPLY TO ALL THE ENTIRE PROPERTY?

>> CORRECT. THAT'S THE ISSUE BEFORE YOUR BOARD.

CORRECT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

SORRY. CAN WE ÃÃARE WE READY TO GO ON TO WAIVER SIX? FLAT ROOF LINES? I WILL COVER FLAT ROOF? YES.

THIS IS EASY ENOUGH. THERE IS NO INTENTION TO HAVE EVERY B-FLAT.

THESE ARE JUST ILLUSTRATIONS AND PORTIONS OF ROOFS THAT WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE GROUND THAT WILL BE FLAT. SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY INCLUDE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO GET TO. SO ÃÃSO THAT'S THE REASON TO REQUEST THE WAIVER FROM FLAT ROOF. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE OUTDATED PROVISIONS TO THE PONTEVEDRA

ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS. >> AND THIS WAIVER ALSO APPLIES TO THE LODGE?

>> CORRECT. AND HERE IS THE LODGE FITNESS. YOU JUST SEE AREAS OF ALL THE

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LET ME GO BACK. SO ÃÃSO AGAIN ÃÃEXISTING FLAT ROOF AREAS FOR CURRENT BUILDINGS JUST SHOWN IN THE YELLOW. NOT JUST LIMITED FLAT ROOF.

SAME THING WITH THE PROPOSED SURF CLUB AND SPORTS CLUB. YOU SEE IN YELLOW.

IN THE EXISTING CONFERENCE CENTER ON THE RIGHT. YOU SEE ONLY AREAS OF THOSE ROOMS THAT ARE FLAT AND NOT VISIBLE FROM PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS. AND THEN SIMILARLY FOR THE LODGE, HERE'S THE EXISTING ÃÃ THE CURRENT LODGE FITNESS AND THEN THE PROPOSED LODGE FITNESS.

AGAIN ÃÃYOU SEE MOST OF THE ROOMS ARE NOT FLAT.T'S JUST THAT PORTIONS OF THE ROOFS NEED

TO BE FLAT FOR MECHANICAL AND OTHER ACCESS REASONS. >> CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON FLAT

ROOFS? >> YES. >> AND WE NOW MADE A ASSOCIATION ÃÃHOW MANY STORIES HERE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE FLAT ROOFS?

>> THERE ARE NO STORIES ASSOCIATED WITH FLAT ROOFS. THE ARCHITECTURE AND PONTEVEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS IN THE OVERLAY PROHIBIT FLAT ROOFS.

SO BECAUSE PORTIONS OF THE ROOFS ARE FLAT ÃÃWE'RE JUST ASKING FOR A WAIVER BECAUSE EXISTING GROUPS HAVE FLAT PORTIONS ON PROPOSED ROOFS AND FLAT PORTIONS.

BUT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE FLAT PORTIONS FROM THE GROUND IF YOU WILL.

THEY ARE ARCHITECTURALLY TRADED WITH AND I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT. SLOPED ROOFS.

NON-FLAT ROOFS. >> SEE YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF STORIES ASSOCIATED WITH EACH

FLAT ROOF? >> WELL ÃÃAGAIN ÃÃTHE PONTEVEDRA ZONING DISTRICT FOR REGULATIONS PROHIBIT FLAT ROOFS. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF STORIES IN THE BUILDING. IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH PORTIONS

OF THE ROOFS BEING ALLOWED TO BE FLAT. >> FOR 20, YOU'RE CONCERNED

ABOUT ÃÃWHAT'S YOUR QUESTION ABOUT? >> I GUESS I DIDN'T REALLY

REALIZE THAT WE NOW EXCLUDED FLAT ROOFS FROM PONTEVEDRA. >> IT'S COMMERCIAL.

COMMERCIAL DOES NOT ALLOW THAT. JUST COMMERCIAL. >> THAT'S IT.

>> YES.O FOR RESIDENTIAL ÃÃ WE DO HAVE FLAT ROOFS. OKAY.

>> YES. >> OKAY ÃÃTHANK YOU. >> OKAY ÃÃANY OTHER QUESTIONS

ABOUT WAIVER SIX? >> SO YOUR INTENTION IS TO KIND OF HAVE WHAT THE STAFF WOULD CALL FAC'ADE RELIEF FROM FLAT ROOFS. SO THEY ARE NOT OBVIOUS WITH

THE BOULEVARD IS ON THE OTHER HAND. >> KYLE ÃÃIS GIVING THE THUMBS UP. THERE ARE RESIDENT ARCHITECTS ARE SAYING YES.

THAT IS THEIR INTENTION.> SO ÃÃWE EVEN WANTED THAT IN THE WAIVER THAT THERE WOULD BE

FAC'ADE RELIEF PROVIDED. >> OKAY. I CAN'T MAKE THAT NOTE.

>> OKAY ÃÃTHANK YOU. >> HEARING SEVEN. HELLO.

OUTSTANDING. SO SEVEN ÃÃBELL IS MAKING A NOTE.

>> SORRY. >> NO WORRIES. >> SO WHETHER YOU'RE AT THE BEACH OR THE RACKET CLUB OR THE GOLF COURSE ÃÃPONTEVEDRA IS KNOWN FOR ITS RECREATIONAL AMENITIES. IT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY LOVES. WHAT THE NEIGHBORS LOVE AND THE WHOLE THING. SO ÃÃWHEN YOU HAVE THESE AMENITIES ÃÃRIGHT NEXT TO Y Ã ÃWITH TO PROVIDE PROTECTION TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND TO PEDESTRIANS.SO THIS WAIVER IS ONLY TO GET RELAXATION FROM HAVING OFFENSE ADJACENT TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY COULD WE HAVE THAT IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS EVERYONE AND PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD HAS SEEN THIS BEFORE.

CURRENT RACKET CLUB HAS A CHAIN-LINK FENCE RIGHT THERE. BUT THE REALLY COOL VEGETATION ON THE OUTSIDE OF IT. WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THE AS YOU KNOW AND YOU SAW ON THE MASTER PLAN LONG AGO THAT THE RACKET CLUB WILL PUSH SAFT BECAUSE THE SPORTS CLUB WILL BE WHERE THE CURRENT COURTS ARE. SO ÃÃTHE PROPOSED COURTS WILL HAVE SIMILAR TREATMENT AND BLACK VINYL COATED CHAIN-LINK WITH THE MASH OF THE WIND AND SOUND.

AND THE EXTERIOR LANDSCAPE TRIALS LIKE LOOKING IN FRONT OF IT.

ALLEN ÃÃYOU'VE GOT ONE MORE SLIDE.>> IT'S GREEN YOU LIKE OUT SCREEN CODED AND NOT BLACK?

IT BLENDS IN WITH THE LANDSCAPING? >> MCS IN THE AUDIENCE.

BLACK IS PROBABLY JUST EMBEDDED IN THERE. SO GREEN CODED.

AS WE MOVE THE WHOLE 17 AND 18, AFTER YOU'VE DRAWN OR DRIVEN NORTH OF THE FACILITIES ÃÃIN A WITH A SPLIT RAIL FENCE, WHICH CAM SEPARATES THE GOLF THE GOLF HOLES FROM POPE PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD. THIS ALSO KNOCKS OFF THE SCREEN THAT PREDICTS THE DRIVING RANGE FROM BOTH L PABLO AS WELL AS WELL AS THE ADJACENT HOLES.O WE JUST LIKELY TO CONTINUE HAVING THOSE WHEN WE DO REPLACE ÃÃIT WILL BE A SIMILAR OR BETTER SITUATION AS I SAID.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE. ONE OF THE ISSUES IN PONTEVEDRA

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AND MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE CURRENT FENCE IS PART OF INSIDE SO THAT YOU HAVE ÃÃBECAUSE MUCH OF THAT LAND IS DESCRIBED THAT WAY. BUT IT'S BEING MAINTAINED BY THE CLUB VERY BEAUTIFULLY. WITH THE FENCE BE MOVED OVER SO A CYCLONE COULD BE ON THAT

SIDE? >> SO PRACTICALLY ÃÃ GEOMETRICALLY ÃÃTHE ANSWER IS YES. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY NEEDS TO MOVE OVER.

YOU COULDN'T ÃÃFROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE ÃÃMY GOLF SKILLS ÃÃIT MAY NOT BE MR. HUDSONS, BUT I DO PULL TO THE LEFT OFTEN. I WOULD BE FEARFUL THE SIDEWALK THERE FOR THAT REASON. SO THE TRAFFIC ALONG THAT SECTION CONTRACTORS PART IN THE

SIDEWALK. >> RIGHT NOW ÃÃTHE OPTION IS WALKING IN THE STREET.

SO WATCHING WALKING ON THE LINE. SO ÃÃTHAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY HAPPENING. SO ÃÃA PRAGMATIC STANDPOINT Ã Ã

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> USING THE CONDITION ALREADY. THE PEDESTRIANS ARE JUST USING AS OPPOSED TO SIDEWALKS. EXISTING IN THE CONDITION EXISTS.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> IT IS A SHAME THAT IT'S THE ONLY SECTION ON PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD THAT DOES NOT HAVE A SIDEWALK.

YOU HAVE TO WALK AWAY FROM MAYPORT TO DOCTOR T ON THE SIDEWALK OTHER THAN THAT ONE PROBABLY MILE AND AND A HALF OR SECTION AND 1/2. SO ÃÃ

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> AGAIN, WE ARE TAUGHT THAT WAIVER SEVEN IS LITERALLY FOR JUST LEAVING THE VENTING AND ALLOWING BACK AND THING IN OTHER ACCESSORY USES THAT EXIST TODAY. AND THERE'S ALSO A GUARDHOUSE DOWN AT THE LODGE AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT EXIST TODAY THAT ARE TALLER THAN SEVEN FEET THAT DON'T MEET THE OVERWEIGHT

DISTRICT REQUIREMENT. >> PART OF THIS WAIVER INCLUDE [INDISCERNIBLE] CAN YOU DESCRIBE WERE [INDISCERNIBLE] A SMALL PIECE OF THE RACKET CLUB AND WHERE THE SIGNAGE IS. WHAT OTHER THINGS YOU PROPOSE YOU USE?

>> THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

>> ANY OF THE QUESTIONS ON WAIVER SEVEN? WE ARE PICKING UP STEAM.

OKAY. LET'S GO ON TO WAIVER EIGHT. AGAIN, THIS RELATES TO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT HAVE MORE THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE.

THESE ARE EXISTING CONDITIONS. AGAIN, THE CURRENT SURF CLUB, WHICH YOU SEE CURRENTLY ÃÃTHE NEW SURF CLUB WILL CERTAINLY HAVE MORE THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE.

THIS IS THE RENDERING THAT YOU WILL SEE MORE OF OMEGA TO ARCHITECTURE.

SO ÃÃOTHER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WAIVER EIGHT? >> WILL BE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE?

>> PER ACRE? >> OF THE SURF CLUB? >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT

I WILL ADD THAT TO MY WORKSHEET. >> I TRIED TO CALCULATE BASED UPON WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET. I PROBABLY DID NOT DO IT CORRECTLY.

I'LL ADMIT THAT FIRST OFF. BECAUSE I CANNOT FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE THE HOTEL ROOMS TOOK UP. SO I TRIED TO BACK INTO IT. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE LODGE RIGHT NOW HAS 9458 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE AND THAT IN THE PROPOSED PUD.

NOW THIS IS INCORRECT BECAUSE YOU HAVE REMOVED A LAYER OF ROOMS. BUT THAT THIS WAS BEFORE THAT WAS DONE. IT WAS 19,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE. AND I CALCULATED THE IN CURRENTLY AT 13,000.

AND IT WOULD BE ALMOST 19,000 WITH THE ADDITIONS ON AVERAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CORRECT OR NOT. BUT I TRIED TO COME BACK AND DO IT.

I DON'T KNOW EITHER. BUT WE WILL VERIFY THAT WITH YOU BECAUSE OUR CONSTRUCTION

GUYS ARE SITTING HERE IN THE AUDIENCE. >> OKAY.> OKAY ÃJUST WAIVER

NINE. >> WE ASKED ABOUT THAT A FEW MINUTES AGO.

WE CAN DIVE INTO THAT IN THE LATTER PART OF YOUR QUESTION WILL COME WITH THE ARCHITECTS HERE IN JUST A FEW MINUTES.O AS WE LOOK AT THIS CHART ÃÃI THINK IT'S VERY USEFUL.

THIS IS THE MOST CONFERENCE OF CHART OF ALL THE BUILDINGS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE, THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY AT AND ON THE RIGHT THEY ARE PROPOSING.O THERE'S

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SO LET'S FOCUS ON WHAT THE COUPLE THAT HAD SOME SPECIFICITY.

SO THE SURF CLUB TODAY AS WE KNOW AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A COUPLE TIMES.

IT'S 340 FEET IN LENGTH. AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO GO TO 365 FEET TO ME OUR PROPOSED PROGRAMMING ON IT. IT'S TIME TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

BUT NOW ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD ÃÃSO THAT A FEW MINUTES AGO.

AND 460 FEET. I DO HAVE A VISUAL FOR YOU IN JUST A FEW MINUTES ÃÃI THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GET AROUND THIS FIRST. AND THEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION ÃÃTHE BUILDING WE HAVE TODAY IS 289 FEET WE'VE COMMITTED NOT TO

EXCEED THE 259 FEET. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

HISTORICAL ONE IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT CHART. THE OCEAN IN PATENT HOUSE OF ONE BUILDING THAT WAS REALLY BIGGER BEFORE THEY WERE BUILT AND THEN THEY WERE DIVIDED INTO TWO. IT SEEMS NOW WITH THE ALL OTHER ROOM BUILDINGS ÃÃTHE 139 AND 139 AND 157 AND 172 ÃÃNOT TO EXCEED 289 IS THERE CHANGE IN PERSPECTIVE? I KNOW WHEN YOU CAME FOR THAT Ã ÃWHEN YOU WERE SPLITTING THE BUILDINGS AND HAVE, YOU THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER TO HAVE TWO SMALLER BUILDINGS.

SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED. >> YOUR CLAIRVOYANT AND I THINK

BRAD IS GETTING TO THAT. >> OKAY. >> VERY GOOD.

>> YOU ARE DEFINITELY ON TOP OF THIS MRS. ROBINSON. THE BIG MOVE ON TO THIS SLIDE.

CAN WE JUST SKIP THIS ONE AND TO RESPECT YOUR TIME, THERE'S 289 FEET.

THIS IS A HOUSE. THIS IS THE MORE THAN MOST HOUSE.

THE CURRENT GREEN 18 IS JUST TO THE REST OF US. AT THE TOP OF THIS PAGE.

SO ÃÃTHIS IS THE ONE WE SAY IT WOULD NEVER BE ANY GREATER THAN THAT.

BUT AS WE LOOK AND HERE'S YOUR OVERALL VIEW OF IT. BUT WHAT CARRIE DUPRE HAS DONE IS LOOK AT ALL THE VIEW SHEDS AND I THINK YOUR CONCERN WAY BACK ONE WAS WHEN WE SPLIT.

WE HAVE THE CLEMSON'S OF THE OCEAN. THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

>> I DID NOT SET ON THE BOARD THEN. >> MR. MCKINLEY OR MR. PATTON, I APOLOGIZE. YES, WE'RE TRYING TO GET FOR THE CLEMSON'S BECAUSE THESE BUILDINGS WERE LONG. AND IF WE GO BACK REALLY QUICKLY ÃÃALL THOSE FAST AS I CAN. THE PATENT HOUSE AT 118 AND OCEAN HOUSE AT 140 AND REMEMBER THIS CALCULATION. 16.7 FEET. BETWEEN THE TWO.

>> ,I THINK IT'S 15.77. BUT WHATEVER. >> WHATEVER, THAT'S CLOSE

ENOUGH. OH, MAN. >> SOMEBODY ON OUR TEAM

PROBABLY HAS A COPY OF THE ORDER SOMEWHERE. >> GONNA GO WITH MR. ALLISON.

SHE'S ON TOP OF THAT. THAT WAS A NUMBER IN MY HEAD. IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 2017 SO I WILL DEFER TO YOU. AS WE LOOK AT THIS NOW, REGARDLESS, 15 OR 16 FEET OF SEPARATION. AS WE LOOK AT THIS NEW PLAN HERE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT MORE VIEW SHEDS THAN HAD PREVIOUSLY THAN THE CURRENT MASTER PLAN HAS TODAY.

AND IT'S ALL OF THE VAULT OF THIS OF THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AND PEDESTRIANS ARE LOOKING AT SO THE COMMUNITY AND IN THE GUEST OF COURSE AS WELL AND THEN THE MEMBERS. SO A LOT OF SCREEN SHAKING AND WHATEVER IT IS.

SO YOU WILL SEE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF MAPS. YOU'LL SEE A FEW VIEW SHEDS THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH. AND THEN 150 FEET OF VIEW SHED HERE AND THEN WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST 20 FEET OF SEPARATION AS YOU GO DOWN THE BOULEVARD. SO ÃÃRIGHT NOW ÃÃWE'VE COMMITTED TO MORE THAN 289 GUARANTEEING THAT WE HAVE VIEW SHEDS ALONG

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> SO THIS DEPICTION. I'M SORRY JOHN.

THIS DEPICTION HAS 289 FEET OF EACH BUILDING? IT'S WITH THOSE ROOF LINES ARE?

THEY ARE 289. IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES.

>> OKAY. SO ÃÃTHIS IS THE CURRENT OVERHEAD VIEW OF THE BUILDING?

>> NO, THAT'S THE FUTURE. >> FUTURE?>> THIS IS THE FUTURE.

>> SO ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX BUILDINGS AND NONE OF THOSE ARE MORE THAN 289 ON THIS

SKETCH? CORRECT? >> I CANNOT SAY THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THE GO BACK TO THAT MEETING IN 2017. ONE OF THE SELLING POINTS TO ALLOW A TOLL THREE FOOT BUILDING ÃJUST MAKE THEM SHORTER AND MORE VIEWPOINTS BETWEEN BUILDINGS. WHICH IS A REAL POSITIVE. VERSUS THE EXISTING TOLERABILITY OR LONGER BUILDING THAT WAS DATED BADLY. SO ÃÃIT WAS ÃÃTHE VIEW THAT WAS LINED TO ME IN THE MASS THAT YOU'RE SEEING GOING DOWN EVEN IF IT'S TO BUILDINGS IN A

SMALL SEPARATION ÃÃMAKES THE WHOLE THING LOOK LESS IMPOSING. >> GOT YOU.

>> AND YOU NOTICE ALSO IN THE MIDDLE THAT THE VIEW CORRIDOR RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE INN,

WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY MORE THAN 20 FEET IN. >> ONE ISSUE FOR SOME OF US IS

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SO I SAY I TRUST THAT YOU CAN MAKE SOMETHING LOOK LOVELY. BUT JUST PEOPLE ÃÃIT MAY NOT TURN OUT LIKE THIS. AND YOU KNOW ÃÃPARKING BY PEOPLE OF THE ISSUES BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED WHEN WE HAD OCEAN IN PATENT IS THAT WE LOST 25 SPACES.

SO IF YOU MAKE ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS REPLICATED IN SOME FASHION ÃÃTHE LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY ÃÃTHERE IS GOING TO BE A SHORTAGE AND A LOSS OF PARKING SPACES.

I AM MORE INTERESTED COUNT OF THE PARKING SPACES, WINDOW. >> YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE PUD TAX, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE PUD TAX ON PARKING SAYS WHERE THE PARKING SPACES ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MEET CODE APPEARED TO THE HOTEL OR RESORT ROOMS WILL DICTATE CURRENTLY WORKING SPACES AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE RESORT USES WILL DICTATE HOW MANY PARKING SPACES. PART OF THE VISION THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TO WHEN WE GET TO EXHIBIT D IS THE ARCHITECTURE. AND THE NEW PARKING GARAGE IS THAT AGAIN, ARE WRAPPED BY BUILDINGS. SO WE ARE GETTING ÃÃWE ARE PROGRESSING THROUGH THE PUD TAX. WE ARE THEN GOING TO GET TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO GO TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WHAT USES CAN BE USED WHERE AND HOW YOU FILLING THOSE BUBBLES WITH INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENTAL PLANS.

BRAD IS SHOWING YOU THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN RIGHT NOW FOR THE ENTIRE ENDING CLUB

PROPERTY. >> OKAY.O IF WE KEEP GOING, THIS IS A VISUAL OF AND WE 30 GONE OVER EACH OF THESE. SO ÃÃLET'S GO TO THE LODGE, WHICH IS SOUTH OF US.

SO AS YOU SEE, THE FITNESS CENTER TODAY AND NOAH WILL SPEAK TO THIS.

I BELIEVE HE CALLS IT A CIRCA 1980S BUILDING AND WE WILL GET TO THIS IN A MOMENT.

IT'S DUE FOR AN UPDATE FOR SURE. IT'S ONLY 98 FEET WIDE THAT WOULD BE 256 FEET WIDE. AGAIN, THE OCEANFRONT LODGE PWILL NOT CHANGE.

IT WILL GODFORSAKEN SOME HURRICANE COMES, WE WILL GO WITHIN THE SAME FOOTPRINT PRESENTS 568 FEET TODAY. IT WILL NOT GROW ANY LARGER THAN 568 FEET TODAY.

AND THEN THE PALMER BUILDING, WE ALSO HAVE 92 FEET. WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT. SO FROM AN AERIAL PERSPECTIVE, THERE IS EXACTLY WHAT I JUST SAID. IT'S JUST FROM THE UPPER VIEW. YOU CAN SEE WE WILL GO THROUGH THIS IN A MINUTE. IF YOU COULD SEE THE L-SHAPED BUILDING OF IT.

A LOT OF THE 256 THAT'S PRESCRIBED HERE IS BASED ON THE PARKING GARAGE THAT IS BEHIND IT. THE BUILDING HAS THE COVER OF THE PARKING GARAGE TO MAKE THE STUDY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SEEING FROM THE RIGHT AWAY. IN THE PARKING GARAGE AS YOU GUYS KNOW HAS SOMEONE PREDETERMINED. SPACES AND SIZES AND WILL GET TO THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. OKAY. CAN WE MOVE ON TO 10?

>> NO. NO. LET'S JUST ÃÃ

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> AS IT RELATES TO THE LODGE Ã ÃWERE NEAR THE LODGE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS. I ENCOURAGE FOR THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THE V BIC ÃÃ IT LOOKS LIKE IT WENT DOWN ALL THE STREETS WITH THE BIG HOMES. BASED ON THE GAS STATION AND CARWASH ÃÃIT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU WENT IN AND TALKED TO MANY PEOPLE OVER THERE.

I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS. AT THE LODGE ÃÃHOW MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE YOU GONE OUT

AND TALK TO? >> I WILL TELL YOU AND I WILL SPEAK TO MYSELF AS THE ATTORNEY. I HAD A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION OF SEPTEMBER 1 WHICH IS A FRIDAY WITH JAMES WHITE HOUSE, WHO IS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CAR LOT.

I BELIEVE AND CORRECT ME MR. PAYTON AND MISS KEFFER IF I AM WRONG.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE MET AGAIN ÃÃTHEY ARE HAVING MEETINGS WITH RESIDENTS BECAUSE I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I HAVE TO SPEAK WITH OTHER ATTORNEYS. THEY HAVE THE PURVIEW BY LAW TO MEET WITH RESIDENTS. THEY MET WITH RESIDENTS ACROSS THE LAGOON, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE LOWERED THE HEIGHT OF THE PALMER BUILDING FROM 55Ö5 FEET.

AND ALSO THEY HAVE SPOKEN THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AT THE CARLISLE, WHICH IS WHY THEY AGREED AGAIN, TO TAKE THE TOP PROPOSED FLOOR OFF THE LODGE BUILDING AND LEAVE I WILL CALL

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45 FEET AND AGAIN ÃÃ43 FEET AND THE 57 FEET. >> OKAY, HOW ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN AT THE PONTEVEDRA BY THE SEA. HAVE WE BEEN GOING TO THE COMMUNITY ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] DID THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE

GONNA HAVE A PARKING LOT IN THE BACKYARD? >> WELL TEST IS FIRST OF ALL BECAUSE I CAN'T SPEAK FOR AGAIN, MR. PAYTON AND MRS. SKIPPER.

I WILL SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NOTICES OF THIS MEETING SENT OUT BY ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. WE HAVE PUBLISHED NOTICES OF THIS MEETING.

WE HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO CERTAINLY THERE IS BEEN SO MUCH TALK IN PONTEVEDRA THAT I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULD BE ONE PERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS PUD.

BUT AGAIN ÃÃIF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP ON THE SCREEN ABOVE Ã ÃYOU WILL SEE FROM THE EXISTING VEGETATION ÃÃFIRST OF ALL, THE LAGOON THAT'S BEHIND THE CARLISLE IS OWNED BY PONTEVEDRA CORPORATION. THEN YOU GO TO THE GONNA TO THE SOUTH AND THE WEST.

THANK YOU BRAD. YOU SEE THAT EXISTING VEGETATION.

THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE NEVER GOING TO SEE THAT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE

THOSE ÃÃTHAT EXISTING VEGETATION IS VERY DENSE. >> OKAY.

I HAVE HEARD ÃÃI HAVE HEARD DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THAT. OF COURSE.

>> WELL, WE CAN GO OUT BETWEEN NOW AND PART OF OUR HOMEWORK AND BE TO GO OUT AND SEE HOW

TALL THOSE TREES ARE AND DO A VISUAL STUDY OF THAT. >> YES.

>> I GUESS TO THE POINT THAT'S DISAPPOINTING ON THAT IS THAT YOU'VE DONE THE MAKO HOMES ALL ALONG. THE BOUNDARY OF THAT HE BIC. AND WHEN IT CAME TO THE LODGE AND OF COURSE OUR PREVIOUS HISTORY WITH DOLPHIN CODE ÃÃI DON'T KNOW ÃÃIT JUST GIVES THE APPEARANCE THAT YOU ARE SELECTIVELY INTERVIEWING PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR FINANCIAL POSITION.> MR. [INDISCERNIBLE] I THINK WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THAT IS NOT A FAIR STATEMENT. MR. PAYTON AND HIS GROUP HAVE GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY AND I CAN TELL YOU BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING THIS JOB IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FOR MORE THAN 16 YEARS.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN A CLIENT ÃÃ A PROPERTY OWNER SPEND MORE TIME LISTENING TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND MAKING CHANGES TO THIS AGAIN ÃÃWE FILE THIS APPLICATION IN JANUARY.

WE HAVE MADE DOZENS AND DOZENS OF CHANGES BASED ON INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

AND I DO BELIEVE THAT IT IS VERY UNFAIR TO CATEGORIZE A WEALTHY AND NOT WEALTHY AS BEING COMMUNICATED WITH. I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S VERY UNFAIR TO BRING UP ANOTHER PROJECT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

>> NOW ÃÃI DISAGREE ON THAT. I THINK ANY PROJECT THAT GATES INVOLVED WITH WITHIN THE PONTEVEDRA COMMUNITY SHOULD BE ÃÃSHOULD BE REVIEWED BASED ON PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE.

THAT WOULD BE THE GAS STATION AND THE CARWASH. WHAT THEY DID TO OUR DOLPHIN CODE PEOPLE. I DO NOT KNOW IF THE DOLPHIN CODE PEOPLE WERE MET BY JOHN

PAYTON. AND TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING. >> MADAM CHAIR.

I BELIEVE THAT TALKING ABOUT DOLPHIN CODE IS OUTSIDE OF THE PARAMETERS AND THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD. AND I ÃÃI DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING ON OUR WAY THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD OCCURRED ON THE DOLPHIN CODE PROPERTY WAS LEGAL ACCORDING TO THE

ZONING OF THAT PROPERTY. >> OKAY.EGAL VERSUS HOW YOU TREAT NEIGHBORS.

MY THING IS THAT IT'S A VERY BIG DEAL. AT THAT MEETING.

AT THAT MEETING ÃÃI PROPOSE THAT YOU CUT BACK YOUR FENCE BY 10 FEET.

SO YOU CAN PUT AN ADDITIONAL VEGETATION IN THERE TO GIVE IT SOMETHING CLOSE TO WHAT THEY HAD BEFORE YOU TORE IT DOWN. AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A DOCUMENT FROM OUR NEW COUNTY COMMISSIONER CHRIS JOSEPH, THAT SHE IS NOW INTRODUCING 14 POINTS FOR BASICALLY THE PROTECTION OF TREES. WHERE PEOPLE CAN NOT COME IN AND JUST LIKE AMAZON JUST SLAUGHTERED ALL THE TREES AND DO A TOTAL CLEAR OUT. AND [INDISCERNIBLE] [LAUGHTER]

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>> WE NEED TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE HAVE. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA.ND KEEP ON GOING THROUGH THIS APPLICATION.

I UNDERSTAND ÃÃI UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES ABOUT THE DOLPHIN CODE ÃÃBUT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY

PURVIEW OVER THAT RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY. SO ÃÃMY POINT BEING A NON-LAWYER WOULD BE THAT CONSIDERATION HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO PLACE.

FOR PEOPLE.HETHER THEY ARE WEALTHY OR AS TO HOW WE CAN PROTECT THEM WHEN THEY ÃÃWHEN THEIR BOUNDARIES TOUCH UP TO BIG BUSINESS WHETHER IT'S AT THE INN OR AT THE LODGE OR IF IT'S AT THE CARWASH OR THE TENNIS COURTS. I THINK IT'S ALL ÃÃI THINK

IT'S ALL RELEVANT. >> I AGREE. I AGREE.

AND JUST FOR YOUR OWN PEACE OF MIND ÃÃI DID WALK THE EDGE OF THAT PROPERTY YESTERDAY AT THE LODGE. SEEING IF I COULD SEE ANY HOUSE OR ANY PART OF THE HOUSE.

THROUGH THAT. THROUGH THAT DENSE FOLIAGE. THE ONLY TIME THAT SOMEBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT PROPERTY IS IF THE FOLIAGE WAS REMOVED.

>> YES æ >> AT THE CURRENT POINT IN TIME ÃÃI BELIEVE THAT FOLIAGE IS

NOT OWNED BY THE ANY CLUB. SAID THEY DO NOT HAVE. >> SO YOU SWITCH BACK TO THE

LODGE, WHICH IS MORE THE ISSUE AT HAND OF COURSE. >> THE LODGE OF COURSE.

I MEAN THE PARKING. >> AND I WANT TO ASK DID YOU ALL SPEND THE TIME TO GO INTO PONTEVEDRA?Y THE SEA? HAVE YOU TALKED TO THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE GOING TO BE

DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THAT LARGE GARAGE? >> I PERSONALLY DID NOT.

WILL CHECK WITH MY CLIENTS ÃÃ BUT I WILL SAY FOR THE RECORD Ã ÃIF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO ME, WAS NOT REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL ÃÃBECAUSE I'M NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ARE REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL. AND I'M SURE THAT EITHER I CAN OR A MEMBER OF OUR TEAM CAN TALK TO FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY IF THEY HAVE NOT DONE

SO ALREADY. >> YES. THAT IS GREAT.

I MEAN ÃÃAFTER EVERYTHING WE BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, YOU WILL SAY TO GO TAKE CARE OF WHICH IS FINE. YOU COULD JUST SAY I'M NOT GONNA BOTHER YOU.

>> OKAY COMMISSIONER, LET'S MOVE ON. >> MADAM CHAIR, I JUST HAVE A

QUESTION ABOUT THE HALF. >> SURE. >> SO ÃÃJUST CURIOUS ÃÃON THE PARKING GARAGE IS THEMSELVES AND THE SIZE OF THEM AND THE LENGTH OF THEM, CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CURRENT PARKING THAT YOU HAVE AT BOTH FACILITIES TODAY? HOW MUCH MORE PARKING SPACES WILL THIS PROVIDE? I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THE CURRENT MEMBERSHIP NUMBER COMPARED TO THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.

CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT FOR ME PLEASE? >> FIRST OF ALL, I'M GONNA LET BRAD TALK ABOUT EXISTING PARKING. BUT I WILL SAY AGAIN FOR THE RECORD. THE PARKING THAT IS PROVIDED ON SITE NOW AND THE PARKING THAT WILL BE PROVIDED ON-SITE IN THE FUTURE AS THE RESORTS ARE REDEVELOPED.

SO IF ADDITIONAL'S RIGHT NOW Ã ÃTHEY HAD TO COMPLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND PONTEVEDRA ZONING DISTRICT CODE REGULATION IN COMBINATION. THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE CASE FOR THIS PROPERTY GOING FORWARD. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION

G1, WHICH STARTS ON PAGE 9. >> I'M SORRY. YES I KNOW.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH PARKING IS THERE. HOW MUCH YOU ARE REQUESTING AND HOW MUCH IS REALLY TOTALLY REQUIRED. DO YOU NEED THESE SIZE OF

STRUCTURES?T IS KIND OF WARM GOING WITH THAT. >> WELL ÃÃI'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THAT. WHAT I'VE DONE IS THAT WE LOOK AT THE BUILD OUT CONDITIONS AND WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.ND BY THE WAY ÃÃBEFORE I GET TO THE END, I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC NUMBERS FOR YOU. BASED ON NUMBERS OR EXISTING CALYX ÃÃBUT BASED ON OVERALL MASTER PLAN ÃÃAND YOU WILL SEE IN A FEW MINUTES THAT WE REMOVED A LOT OF SERVICE PARKING IN ORDER TO PUT IN A STRUCTURED PARKING FOR ALL SORTS OF REASONS.

SO ÃÃAGAIN, THE STRUCTURED PARKING IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE.

WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT UNLESS WE HAD ABSOLUTELY HAD TO. WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT WE HAVE DONE ENOUGH STRUCTURED PARKING TO OVERCOME THE EXISTING AN ADDITIONAL RIBS AND FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT TO YOU. AND ONE OTHER THING.

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PARKING IS APPROPRIATE EACH STEP OF THE WAY BASED ON CODE. >> ACTUALLY, YOU'RE ASKING FOR

WAIVERS TO SIZE AND THANKS. OT EVEN INCLUDING THAT? >> NOT THE NUMBER ITSELF.

THANK YOU. >> MR. GREEN, WHERE WE ARE DOING OUR HOMEWORK NOW WRITING DOWN YOUR QUESTION ÃÃI DON'T KNOW EVERY DETAIL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

>> I THINK THIS WAS A VERY SIMILAR QUESTION THAT I ASKED WHEN WE FIRST MET IN JULY AS WELL. I JUST WANT MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.

>> YES, AGREED. >> THANK YOU. >> BELIEVE ME, AS MR. ROLLINS Ã ÃEXACTLY POINTED OUT. WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. HE MEMBERS OF BOTH ARE GOING

TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PARKING. >> CORRECT.

>> CORRECT. OKAY, WE READY LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING. [LAUGHTER] AND MR. PAYTON IS SITTING RIGHT HERE.O HE'S HEARING YOU RIGHT HERE SAYING THAT THERE'S

NOT ENOUGH PARKING. [LAUGHTER] >> MEGAN, SURE LADIES. WOULD STILL LIKE TO TALK ABOUT PARKING. IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE TIME?

>> WE HAVE A WAIVER IN TWO SECTIONS ABOUT PARKING IF THAT'S OKAY.

>> YOU WILL GIVE ME A SIGN? >> WAIVER 50. >> OKAY.

WAIVER 10. MIDDLE YARDS. IN YARDS ARE A CODEWORD IN PLANNING TALL FOR BUILDING SETBACKS. SO AS WE LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE AND I WON'T SAY THE WORD PREDATE. I JUST SAID IT.

THIS PROPERTY CAN A LOT OF WAYS, THESE BUILDINGS ARE PREDATING THE YARD REQUIREMENTS. SO WE SEE SEVERAL PROPERTIES WHO DO NOT MEET THE CURRENT CODE. AND AS WE LOOK AT THAT ÃÃ THERE'S PROBABLY TWO REASONS WHY. THIS WAS A SIMILAR REMAINING SLIDE TO WHAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE. SO LET ME GO TO THE THIS ONE. T WOULD BE GREAT.S WE LOOK ÃÃEXISTING CONDITIONS FOR EXISTENCE IN THIS PARKING GARAGE ÃÃIF THIS WERE THE EXISTING SURF CLUB, YOU COULD SEE NEW BUILDINGS DO NOT MEET THE YARD REQUIREMENTS.

WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT SAME SORT OF ISSUE BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE BUILDINGS THAT WILL REMAIN AND WE POINT TO BE GRANDFATHERED IN. WE DO NOT WANT TO BE NONCOMPLIANCE WE NEED THIS WAIVER AND WE HAVE A FEW OCCASIONS ALONG THE WAY OR WE WILL NEED THE SETBACKS. SO ALAN MENTIONED EARLIER THE FRONT WOULD BE FIVE IN THE CITED BE 10. AND IT WOULD BE FIVE. SO ÃÃWE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY SIDE YARD REQUIREMENTS FOR INTERNAL PARCELS. LIKE IT WOULD BE ON BOTH PARCELS. THE EXTERNAL OR EXTERIOR PARCELS WE WOULD HAVE THE SIDE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS. SO ONE OF THE REASONS IS THAT TO THE WEST BY THE GOLF CLUB AND LAGOON. WE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROPERTY. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF OBSTACLES TO OVERCOME.

AND VERY LITTLE SQUARE FEET TO ACCOMPLISH THAT THEN. SO HENCE THE REASON WE ARE

ASKING FOR THE PROPOSED YARD CHANGES. >> MAYBE NOT JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE A REAR FIVE FOOT SEBACK ON THE OCEAN SIDE COMPARED TO THE DUNES, THE HIGH WATERMARK, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE PUD LINE IS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE NICE FOR

CLARIFICATION FOR EVERYONE. >> YES, I HAD A GREAT VISUAL ON THE LAST PATIENT.

AND I DON'T HAVE IT. LET ME DO MY BEST TO DRAW. AS WE ARE LOOKING AT THE OCEAN, OUR PROPERTY LINE IS THE MEAN HIGH WATER LINE, WHICH IS WAY DOWN THE ELEVATION.

SO WE WILL HAVE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW, WE WILL HAVE 150 YARD SETBACK ALONG THESE BUILDINGS HERE. BUT WHAT'S REALLY PUSHING THESE BUILDINGS TOWARDS THE BOULEVARD IS THE EXISTING BULK THAT WE KNOW ABOUT AND THE DMD REQUIREMENTS.

DOES THAT HELP? >> SO ÃÃWHERE'S THE EXISTING BULKHEAD AND DMD REQUIREMENTS?

IS AT THE END OF THE GREEN LAWN THAT YOU'RE SHOWING ME HERE? >> IN FACT, IF I COULD HAVE ZOOMED IN, YOU HAVE SEEN THE GREEN LINE THAT REPRESENTS THE SIDEWALK.

THE BULKHEAD IS THE EDGE TREATMENT FOR THAT SIDEWALK. PARTS OF THE SETBACK WILL BE

FIVE FEET FROM? >> THERE'S NO SETBACK IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THE SETBACK IS A WATER LINE FROM A PROPERTY LINE PERSPECTIVE. WE ARE SETBACK.

THAT BUILDING IS SETBACK FURTHER TO GET AWAY FROM IT. >> BECAUSE THE DEP WOULD NOT

ALLOW YOU TO BILL FORWARD OF THAT? >> YES MA'AM.

>> IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING? OKAY, THANK YOU. >> TELL ME ABOUT ÃÃTHIS IS THE SURF CLUB SETBACK FROM THE BACKUP CURVE AND HOW THAT CHANGES WITH THE CURRENT BUILDINGS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE VERSUS OUR

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CURRENT BILLING AND HOW THAT CHANGES IN GETS BACK AND FORTH. >> WE CAN SEE THAT BUILDING ELEVATION AND SITE PLAN IN A MOMENT BY KYLE. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT DOES PUSHED OUT TOWARDS A RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE POOR CLICHC) AND THE DROP OFF AREA.

OTHER THAN THAT ÃÃIT IS A SETBACK. SO IN THE SUMMER.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> SO JUST TO CLARIFY ÃÃIF YOU LOOKED AT 90 PERCENT OF THE FAC'ADE ÃÃIS THAT AT THE CURRENT SETBACK ON THE EXISTING BUILDING? WHERE IS IT COMING CLOSER TOWARDS PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD?

>> YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT BUILDING.

>> THE SORT SURF CLUB BUILDING? >> THE CURRENT SURF CLUB BUILDING.

AND HOW FAR THAT IS FROM POINT TO BE THE BOULEVARD. WITH THE BUILDING BE CLOSER,

THE SAME, OR FURTHER AWAY FROM HOME TO BE THE BOULEVARD? >> I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO CALM THAT. I'M SO SORRY. YOU'LL LITERALLY SEE THAT RENDERING IN THE SLIDESHOW.

>> I WOULD SAY FROM A CIVIL ENGINEER'S PERSPECTIVE, THE PARKER CHAISE WILL BE ROUGHLY

THE SAME. FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE. >> THAT'S OUR HOMEWORK LIST.

KYLE IS LOOKING AT IT NOW. SO ÃÃWE WILL ADD THAT TO OUR QUESTION LIST.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU.> OKAY. WAIVER 11 AND BUILDING SEPARATION.

SO ALAN HAS ARTIE TOLD YOU PREVIOUSLY THAT EVERY NEW BUILDING WILL MEET THE BUILDING SEPARATION REQUIREMENT OF 20 FEET. SO ÃÃWE CAN WAIT THAT OFF THE TABLE. WE ARE NOT ASKING TO WAIVE THAT OR [INDISCERNIBLE] WITH SEVERAL INSTANCES THAT YOU COULD SEE ON THE SCREEN AS WELL AS MANY MORE OFF THE SCREEN THAT WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN BECAUSE WE WILL NOT MEET THE 20

FOOT REQUIREMENT AND THAT'S THE ONLY PURPOSE FOR THIS WAIVER. >> JUST A TECHNICAL QUESTION FOR OUR STAFF. NORMALLY IN A PUD ÃÃIT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IF YOU HAD AN EXISTING STRUCTURE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAY AND WOULD NOT NEED A WAIVER BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY THERE. YOU ALREADY NEED WAIVER SINCE FOR SOMETHING THAT IS EXISTING?

>> IF THEY WANT TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO REBUILD IT, THEY WOULD.

>> OKAY. >> BUT HE JUST SAID THAT THEY DO NOT PLAN ON BUILDING IT WITH ÃJUST BUILDING IT WITH THAT SAME DISTANCE. OR THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU

SAID. MAYBE I WAS WRONG. >> RIGHT ÃÃWILL PROVIDE 20 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN THE NEW BUILDINGS GOING INTO THE FUTURE.

I THINK THAT I WOULD ÃÃFROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE LEAVING THE WAIVER IN BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER ÃÃLIKE I SAID EARLIER, LET'S IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ONE OF THE LODGE BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE ON THE RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE BUILDING DESIGNATION. AND THEY NEED TO BE REBUILT IN THEIR EXISTING FOOTPRINT.

WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT THEY WILL BE REBUILT IN THEIR EXISTING FOOTPRINT.

EVEN IF ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS HAPPENS TO BE 16 FEET AWAY FROM AN EXISTING BUILDING.

>> THE LOGIC BUILDING IS ONE CONTINUES BUILDING. >> WELL ÃÃTHERE'S YOU KNOW, FROM THE DEFINITIONAL STANDPOINT, I SUPPOSE THAT'S TRUE.

BUT BRAD IS SHOWING YOU SOME OF THE BUILDING SEPARATIONS THAT DON'T MEET CODE NOW.

AND SO LITERALLY, IF YOU NEED TO REBUILD OR RENOVATE OR WHATEVER, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY REBUILD ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS ÃTHIS TRULY TO BE ABLE TO REBUILD THAT IN THE EXISTING CONDITION.PARTICULARLY FOR THE END. IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE 16 FEET AND THAT IAN COMPLEX, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WE ARE ASKING THE WAIVER FOR.

BUT THE NEW BUILDINGS WILL BE 20 FEET APART. >> RIGHT ÃÃYOU MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE MANY MORE OFF THE SCREEN. ANYMORE BUILDINGS DO YOU HAVE

ON YOUR PROPERTY THAT WOULD FALL IN THIS CATEGORY? >> OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD ÃÃI WOULD SAY AT LEAST TWO OR THREE.FF THE SCREEN AND THEN ONE OR TWO OF THE LODGE.

>> OKAY, ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT BUILDING SEPARATION? OKAY.

LET'S GO TO OH ÃÃWE MISSED IT. SO AGAIN ÃÃGOING TO THE SLIDE FOR BUILDING SEPARATION. YOU SEE HE BUILDING CORRIDORS AND AGAIN, LOOKING FROM THE END, THERE'S THE AREA THAT I BELIEVE IS [INDISCERNIBLE] WIDE. THAT WILL PRESERVE THE VIEW TO THE OCEAN.

THEN GOING TO ACCESSORY USE AND STRUCTURES ÃJUST SO WE ARE ON WAIVER 12.

AGAIN ÃÃEXISTING CONDITIONS OF LITERALLY WALLS, HEDGES, RICOCHETS, DIFFERENT ÃÃ

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THEY ARE OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS AND WE MAY NEED TO REBUILD SOME OF THESE IN THE FUTURE OR PUT IN NEW FENCING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY.

GOING TO SETBACK FROM RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY. AND I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING I'VE SAID AT THE VERY BEGINNING ABOUT IT IN AN EXISTING CONDITION.

SO THE EXISTING ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE, OR THE STRUCTURE VERSUS PROPOSED PARKING STRUCTURE IS OPEN RURAL. SO ÃÃJUST FOR THAT ÃÃWHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SETBACK FROM RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES, WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS L-SHAPED BUILDING FROM THE LODGE. FITNESS AND THAT WILL ÃÃIT MAY INCLUDE SOME RESORT ROOMS AS WELL. WE SEE THAT BUILDING AS L-SHAPED. WE HAVE DONE THAT OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE AT THE CARLISLE. BECAUSE YOU SEE THE JUXTAPOSITION OF THE L-SHAPED OF THE CARLISLE AND THE JUXTAPOSITION OF THE L-SHAPED OF THE LODGE.

FITNESS BUILDING, WHICH KNOW WHAT WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT IN MORE DETAIL.

BUT I JUST NOTE THAT BECAUSE THE WAIVER ÃÃTHAT'S REQUIRED IS ONLY REQUIRED FOR THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING. AND WE HAVE MOVED THE BUILDING BACK AND RECOGNIZE THE 10 YARD SETBACK AND ALSO INDUCE ADDITIONAL PLANNING OR OTHER BUFFERING LIKE A MASONRY WALL ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE. I WILL ALSO MENTION SINCE WE ARE ON THE SCREEN ÃÃTHE SLEEPING AREA INCLUDING DISTRICT.WNED BY PONTEVEDRA CORPORATION.

WE HAVE TITLE COMMITMENT THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY STAFF THAT STATES THAT.

>> MISS CHARLIE? >> YES?

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> IT DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING ON IT.

>> IF I COULD.>> NOBODIES ON THE SPEAKER LIST.

[LAUGHTER] >> SOMEBODY HAS BLOCKED YOU. >> IF I COULD.

>> ELLEN, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE THAT YOU HAVE ON THERE?

>> YES ÃÃTHAT ONE. YES. I CAN'T REMEMBER NOW.

BECAUSE MY BOARD IS CUTTING ME OFF. ON SOME ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PRESENT. HAVE YOU TALKED WITH PEOPLE ON PONTEVEDRA BY THE SEA LIKE YOU DID AT THE END WHERE YOU TALK TO ALL OF THE BIG HOME RESIDENTS ABOUT THE END CHANGES? HAVE YOU TRIED THAT? I KNOW IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU'VE DONE AT DOLPHIN COVE ÃÃ BUT HOW DID YOU COME DOWN TO THE LODGE.

AND APPROACH THE RESIDENCE THERE THAT ARE FOUNDED BY YOUR PROPERTY?

>> WHEN I ENTERED THE QUESTION A FEW MINUTES AGO ÃÃBUT I WILL SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE

RECORD. >> YES. >> I PERSONALLY HAVE TALKED TO JAMES WHITE HOUSE WHOSE THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CARLISLE. I SPOKE WITH HIM ON SEPTEMBER

1, WHICH IS A FRIDAY. >> OKAY. >> I TOLD HIM THAT WE HAD TAKEN THE HEIGHT OF THE PALMER BUILDING DOWN FROM 55Ö5. I TOLD HIM THAT THE EXISTING LODGE BUILDING WAS REDUCED AGAIN FROM 60 FEET TO THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OR WHATEVER.

ELEVATION. OF THE BUILDING. >> RIGHT.

>> AND THEN I ALSO TOLD HIM AND YOU COULD SEE ON THE SCREEN APPEAR THAT THE BUILDING THAT IS THE PROPOSED LOGIC FITNESS WAS GOING TO BE AN L SHAPE. WHICH IT IS.

>> RIGHT. >> IN RECENT PBD IRC AND WE COMMITTED TO THEM YESTERDAY.

>> OKAY. ASK AGAIN. MR. PAYTON ÃÃBECAUSE AGAIN Ã ÃI CANNOT TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ARE REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL. MR. PAYTON AND MRS. SKIPPER AND THEIR TEAM AND PROBABLY MANY OTHERS FROM PONTEVEDRA CORPORATION HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF MEETINGS WITH PEOPLE, WHO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY AROUND THE LODGE.

>> OKAY. BECAUSE I PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTACTED ME BY ÃÃTHEY LIVE IN PONTEVEDRA BY THE SEA. THERE ARE SOME OF THE FIRST HOMES IN THERE.

THEY WOULD DEFINITELY BACKUP TO THE NEW PROPOSED GARAGE AND THEY HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING.

SO ÃÃI WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT KIND OF COMMUNICATION THAT'S GOING ON ÃÃNOT ONLY BETWEEN THE BIG HOUSES UP BY THE END LIKE MAYBE THE SMALLER HOUSES DOWN BY THE LODGE.

>> YES SIR AND BY THE WAY æ >> LET ME JUST INTERRUPT FOR A MOMENT.

>> CHRISTINE ÃÃIT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CAMP THE MALES OUT LETTERS TO EACH

PROPERTY OWNER AND I THOUGHT IT WAS 600. >> 300.

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300 FEET. >> I DON'T. >> THE QUESTION TO IS I DON'T THINK ÃÃMR. AXEL IS RAISING Ã ÃI DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE BEYOND THAT 300 FEET AND THEREFORE DID NOT GET A LETTER WORD DID NOT GET ANYTHING. I DO NOT REMEMBER.

>> MAKING THAT? >> MAKING THE AS THE COUNTY FORMALITY WHERE THEY HAVE TO DO SO MANY LETTERS WITHIN SO MUCH DISTANCE WITH JOHN PAYTON AND OWEN HAVE DONE IS THAT THEY HAVE GONE OUT AND THEY HAD A BIG PARTY RESIDENTS AROUND THE END.

AND CORRECTLY WRONG. IT SURE IS A PUBLIC BID THEY DID THAT WITH DOLPHIN COVE.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN. >> OWNER IF THEY DID THAT, I WONDER WHAT THE PONTEVEDRA BY THE SEA OF PEOPLE, WHOSE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE INDEED BACKUP TO THE GARAGE.

>> AGAIN ÃÃAGAIN ÃÃMY CLIENTS HAVE MET WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE MEMBERS OF BOTH CLUBS.

THEY MET WITH MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE MET AND HAVE NOT TRIED TO LEAVE ANYBODY OUT WHO ASKED FOR A MEETING. AGAIN ÃÃIF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE FROM PONTEVEDRA BY THE SEA WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH THIS, WE ARE HAPPY TO MEET WITH THEM.

AND AGAIN ÃÃFOR THE RECORD Ã ÃDOLPHIN COVE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE

APPLICATION. WE ARE TO CONSIDER TODAY. >> YES ÃÃUNLESS WE PUT IN THAT PIECE OF LAND.> IT IS CLEAR IN THE PUD LEGAL DESCRIPTION THAT THAT PIECE OF

PROPERTY IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PUD. >> OKAY.

OKAY. >> SO ÃÃJUST FOR THE RECORD Ã ÃDO WE KNOW IF ANYONE WHO LIVES ON ÃÃI'M NOT SURE I KNOW ANYONE'S PRECISE NAME OF THAT STREET.

BECAUSE FROM TL PROCESS ÃÃWE ARE HOMEOWNERS. CEDAR LANE.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE EXACT NAME OF THE STREET IS. BUT DID ANYONE ON THAT STREET RECEIVE ANY NOTIFICATIONS? I SEE THAT WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE IN THE BACK THERE.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW FROM THE COUNTY. CAN YOU CHECK TO SEE

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> I THINK MANAGEMENT STAFF CAN ENTER THAT THEY ARE IN CHARGE OF CREATING A LIST. SO CAN WE GET AND ASKED THEM TO AND LOOK AT IT THIS TIME? AND SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE? CAN WE ASK THAT OF STAFF AND JUST HERE FROM THAT?

>> HERE COMES OUR EXPERT, MRS. COOLEY? >> ARE WE GOOD ON THAT ONE?

>> YES. OKAY. ON A DIFFERENT TOPIC?

>> THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SAME TOPIC AND I COULD SEE RICH THAT YOU AND SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE SMARTING FOR WHAT HAPPENED FIND A GAS STATION. I THINK WHAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT IF THAT GARAGE IS BUILT THAT THE PEOPLE ON SEE WINDS DON'T HAVE THE SAME SITUATION. I DID DRIVE THROUGH THEM THE OTHER DAY.

IT IS HEAVILY TRADED BEHIND THEM AND I THINK THOSE TREES ARE PROBABLY BEHIND THEM.

I'M NOT SURE. BUT I THINK ELLEN DID SUGGEST THAT THERE MIGHT BE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO DO. AND MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE ON PONTEVEDRA BY THE SEA DON'T EXPERIENCE THE SAME TYPE

OF SITUATION. WITH THAT HELP? >> THE ONLY THING THAT I DIDN'T CARE FOR ELLEN IS THAT IT'S SHE DIDN'T USE THE WORDS WALK LIKE FLORIDA GATORS.

BUT SHE DID SAY THAT THERE WASN'T ANY PLANS FOR DEVELOPING THE AREA BACK THERE.

SO ÃDESPERATE. >> BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU ÃÃTHE AREA ON THIS MAP THAT SAYS LAGOON IS THE PARCEL THAT IS OWNED BY PONTEVEDRA CORPORATION.

ONE MAY GO BEHIND WHAT SAYS PROPOSED PARKING STRUCTURE ÃÃ THE AREA THAT BRAD IS CIRCLING.

THAT'S NOT OWNED BY PONTEVEDRA CORPORATION. THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO REMOVE ANY OF THOSE TREES. TO THE POINT.

AND ALSO IT SAYS IN THE PUD TEXT THAT ALL PARKING GARAGES WILL BE ARCHITECTURALLY TREATED IN THIS CASE AND YOU WILL SEE WHEN WE GET TO EXHIBIT THE JUSTICE THE ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT OF THE PARKING GARAGE THERE ARE WRAPPED. IN BUILDINGS.

AND ALSO IN LANDSCAPING. SO ÃÃTHAT'S WRITTEN INTO THE PUD TEXT.

WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU THOSE RENDERINGS WHEN WE GET TO EXHIBIT D.

>> IT'S PROBABLY WORTH NOTING HIS WEALTH THAT THESE ARE JURISDICTIONAL EVIDENCE OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY LINE. WE WILL CITE FOR US AND FOLKS. I CANNOT SEE THE ARMY CORPS AND NOR DPN DISTRICT MANAGEMENT ALLOWING THE GONNA TO BE CLEAR. THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER BETWEEN OUR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE WOOD LINE PLUS THE WOOD LINE ITSELF.

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>> OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO DEFINITELY ADDRESS RIGHT NOW, BUT BEFORE WE MEET. WHAT JAKE CONSIDERS A CURTAIN AS WE WENT THROUGH THE GAS STATION AND CARWASH. I HAD TO ASK A WENT IF SHE COULD MOVE HER FENCE IN 10 FEET AND APPLY ADDITIONAL BUFFERS OF VEGETATION AND THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED.

>> ACTUALLY ÃÃIT WAS CONSIDERED FOR THE RECORD. AND THIS IS AGAIN, ON A DIFFERENT PROJECT. BUT WE WANT TO PONTEVEDRA ARCHITECTURE REVIEW COMMITTEES.

SO THIS WAS ON THE RECORD. AND THE REASON THAT THE FENCE WAS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY LINE WAS BECAUSE EVERY PERSON WHO PUTS OFFENSES PUTS THEM UP ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND SO ÃÃIT WAS FROM A LEGAL LIABILITY PERSPECTIVE THAT THAT FENCE WAS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY LINE. NOT 10 PM. BECAUSE THEN YOU GOT THE ISSUE OF PEOPLE USING 10 FEET OF THE PROPERTY IN CHILDREN GETTING HURT OR WHATEVER IT HAPPENING.

WE STATED THAT FOR THE RECORD AT THE PONTEVEDRA ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AGAIN ON A SEPARATE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS NOT CENTER TO THIS APPLICATION.

BUT THERE WAS A REASON FOR AND THAT DESIGN, THAT FENCE LOCATION AND THE DESIGN OF EVERYTHING INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION WAS APPROVED BY THE PONTEVEDRA ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW

COMMITTEE. >> I THINK ELLEN, YOU NEED TO REALIZE THAT AS YOU DEAL WITH PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES THAT LEGALLY ÃÃMOST PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. AND SO ÃÃWHEN IT COMES DOWN TO MAKING EVERYBODY FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE PROJECT ÃÃTHE PEOPLE ON DOLPHIN COVE COULD REALLY COME IN THEIR AND UP THERE VEGETATION BUFFER AROUND THEIR FENCE.

AND TRY TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY. SO ÃÃI REALLY THINK REGARDLESS OF LEGALLY WHAT THE CALL IS ÃÃY'ALL NEED TO START SHOWING THAT YOU ARE NOT JUST RELIEVED PONTEVEDRA CLUB.

BUT YOU ARE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF PONTEVEDRA. >> OKAY, RICH, RICH.

I THINK WE SORT OF BEAT THAT TOPIC INTO THE GROUND. AT THIS POINT.

RIGHT NOW, WE ARE FOCUSING ON THIS PUD APPLICATION. OKAY?

>> METAL CHAIR? IF I CAN. WE HAVE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER LIST HERE AND THERE ARE PROPERTIES ADDRESSED ON SEE LILY LANE AND SEE WINDS GOING EAST. THE WAY THAT THEY TYPICALLY ARE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS IT LISTS ARE GENERATED ONCE THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETED. THE APPLICANT WILL REACH OUT TO OUR IIS DEPARTMENT TO CREATE A LIST THAT IS AGAIN, AS YOU GUYS MENTIONED EARLIER TEST IS 300 FEET OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES. SO ÃÃTHAT'S NOT BUILDINGS, BUT PROPERTY BOUNDARIES AND THE LIST IS GENERATED SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN SEND OUT MAILING.

SO ÃÃON HERE ÃÃIF IT'S IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER, I CANNOT CONFIRM THAT EXACTLY WHICH HOMES GOT IT. BUT THE TIMES THAT I CAN CONFIRM WHICH HOMES ALONG THE SEE WINDS LANE, WHICH IS AGAIN, THESE HOMES SPEAKING ON BEHIND OR THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS GOING TO BE. AS WELL AS SEE WILLIE LANE. AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO

MAIN GROUPS THERE. >> THANK YOU. SO LET'S PROCEED.

>> THANK YOU. >> SO WE 14. SITE LIGHTING.

AGAIN, SITE LIGHTING IS SPECIFIC TO THE TENNIS COURTS. AND AS WE ALL UNDERSTAND TENNIS COURTS WILL MOVE SOUTH. AND ONCE THEY DO MOVE SOUTH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO NEED THAT SITE LIGHTING. TO THE SITE LIGHTING WILL BE CONTINUING AS IT HAS IN THE PAST. THE COURT LIGHTING WILL BE OF LOW INTENSITY.

WHITE LIGHT, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES NOT SPILL OVER INTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINES. HER OFF THE PROPERTY I SHOULD SAY.

RIGHT AWAY. OR OTHERWISE INTERFERE WITH THE DIVISION TRAFFIC.

>> I HAVE ONE MINOR QUESTION. ON THE PICKLE BALL LIGHTING. BECAUSE I HAVE JUST SEEN SO MUCH IN THE TELEVISION ABOUT PEOPLE PLAYING PICKLE BALL AT NIGHT.

AND NOT HAVING SOUND ISSUES. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AS A .4 ANY CLUB TO CONSIDER.

>> FROM A LADY PERSPECTIVE?> IT'S ONCE YOU HAVE THE LIGHTING AT NIGHT ÃÃI DON'T KNOW WHEN THE COURTS WILL CLOSE AND I KNOW THAT PICKLE BALL A LOT OF PEOPLE ENJOY PLAYING IN THE EVENING BECAUSE IT'S A VERY SOCIAL KIND OF SPORT. AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW AT WHAT POINT WITH THE LIGHTING IN THE SPORT ACTIVITIES ÃÃAND FOR THE PURPOSES OF SOUND TRAVELS RIGHT UP AT THE LAGOONS AND SPACES. SO ÃÃI JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT

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>> WHAT'S THE SCHEDULE FOR PICKLE BALL? IT'S THE SAME AS IT IS FOR TENNIS. THE TENNIS PLACE CLOSES ON THE EIGHTH OR NINTH.

>> I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE NO IDEA WHATSOEVER. >> UNLIKELY PICKLE BALL.

I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO GIVE IT A TENNIS PRO TO GET THE INFORMATION.

I SUPPOSE THAT IT WILL LIKELY CLOSE AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE TENNIS COURT WOULD.

IT WOULD BE STRANGE TO HAVE ALL THE LIGHTS ON JUST FOR PICKLE BALL AND TENNIS PLAYER ITEMS AS

WELL. >> THANK YOU. >> I'VE JUST BEEN WAVED TO BY

THE AUDIENCE THAT IT CLOSES AT 9 PM. >> OKAY.

ALSO FOR THE TESTIS GO-AHEAD TO WAIVER TESTIS ANY OF THE QUESTIONS ON WAIVER 14?

OKAY. >> OKAY ÃÃWE WERE 15 AND THEN YOU WILL LOSE ME FOR A WHILE, WHICH I'M SURE YOU WILL BE HAPPY ABOUT. WAIVER 15 IS IN REGARDS TO THE SIZE OF THE PARKING AND LOADING SPACES AND MS. ROBINSON MENTIONED.

JUST A MOMENT AGO. AS WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS FUTURE PLAN ÃÃIT REALLY REDUCES THE SURFACE PARKING IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PARKING WILL NOT BE HELD WITHIN THE EXISTING GARAGE IN THE PROPOSED GARAGE BEHIND THE FITNESS OF THE SPORT CLUB I SHOULD SITE AND THEN BEHIND THE FITNESS APP AT THE LODGE. BECAUSE OF THAT ÃJUST THE PONTEVEDRA CODE RIGHT NOW SAYS THAT THESE STALLS SHOULD BE 10 BY 20.

AND THAT IS A MASSIVE PARKING SPOT FOR THE PARKING GARAGE. O ÃJUST WE ARE SEEKING RELIEF TO GET OUR PARKING STALLS IN THE PARKING GARAGE AND ON THE SURFACE PARKING LOT TO MATCH THOSE EVERY OTHER COUNTY AND EVEN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY INNOCENTS.

IN THIS AREA, WHICH WOULD BE NINE BY 18. NINE FEET BY 18 PERCENT WOULD GO BY 10 BY 20 TO 9 BY 18 AS REQUESTED. ALSO WITHIN THAT SAME WAIVER UNDER 15 ÃÃTHAT TWO DRIVE-BYS WOULD BE TO 12 BY 15 DRIVE AISLES AND THAT IS TYPICAL FOR MOST JURISDICTIONS YOU WILL FIND. AND IT WOULD BE 11 PARKING STALLS BETWEEN THE TREE ISLANDS. THAT'S THE ME OF THAT WAIVER

NUMBER 15. >> SO ELLEN AND I TALKED ABOUT THEM.

CAN WE TALK?'M SORRY ÃIT'S OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, MAY SPEAK, I KIND OF REMEMBER THAT. I TALKED TO ALAN ABOUT THIS TOO.

I WONDERED IF YOU HAD CONSIDERED HAVING SOME LARGER PARKING STALLS FOR UCONN'S AND SUBURBANS BECAUSE THEY ARE 19 FEET LONG. AND THEY CAN BE EXTENDED TO 20 FEET AND THEY WOULD NOT FIT IN THOSE CELLS THAT YOU HAVE. AND SO TEST TEST YOU WOULD NEED ÃÃYOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE BIG CARS, THAT YOU CHECK? I MEASURED MY GIRLFRIENDS AND HER SUBURBANS A LITTLE OVER 19 FEET. SO ÃÃI THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN PONTEVEDRA THAT HAVE THAT. HOW WOULD YOU DEAL WITH THOSE

OVERSIZED VEHICLES? >> IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT KIND OF TOPICS FIGHTING EACH OTHER. I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD IN THE COMMUNITY ONCE MORE PARKING RIGHT? AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS THE PARK PER CODE. AND BY 18. A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN PONTEVEDRA I MIGHT DO. GRANTED. SO ÃÃWE DO HAVE THIS AMERICA HAS THESE LARGER CARS. AND I HAVE A CREW TRUCK PARTS RADIO PROBABLY WITH THE SAME THING MR. GREEN DEALS WITH AS WELL. BUT YOU KNOW ÃÃI THINK IN ORDER TO CREW CREATE AS MANY SPOTS AS POSSIBLE, YOU NEED TO STICK WITH THE NINE BY 18.

THERE COULD BE SOME CONSIDERATION.UT WITHIN THIS CODE ÃÃWITHIN THE CURRENT PLANNING STATE RIGHT NOW ÃÃBE VERY DIFFICULT TO COMMIT TO SOME LEVEL OF OVERSIZE PARKING.

>> WE THINK CHUCK? YOU DEAL WITH THAT EVERY DAY. >> I JUST THINK I'M GONNA SPEAK FROM NOT THE BOARD FOR SECOND. I'LL SPEAK IS A MEMBER OF THE CLUB FOR SECOND.

I THINK IN THE COMMUNITY. IF YOU GO TO THE INNING CLUB ON A WEEKEND UNPOPULAR TIME ÃÃ THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF OVERSIZED VEHICLES. AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO PUT THOSE OVERSIZED VEHICLES IN A PARKING STRUCTURE ÃÃNOT ONLY DO YOU CREATE VERY DIFFICULT CONDITIONS TO PARK ÃTHIS INCREASES THE RELIABILITY. IT INCREASES THE POSSIBLE PHYSICAL DAMAGE OF THESE OVERSIZED VEHICLES.ND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A WISE IDEA OR CREATING AN OVERSIZED VEHICLE SECTION THAT I THINK IT BE GOOD TO SHANDS HOSPITAL IN GAINESVILLE ÃÃAT THE DAVIS PAVILION PARKING GARAGE, YOU WILL SEE A LARGE SECTION DEDICATED TO OVERSIZED VEHICLES. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO

CONSIDER IS MY PERSPECTIVE. ASK THANK YOU. >> YES ÃÃTHAT'S SEEKING THE RELIEF FROM BOTH THE PARKING SPACE AND THE ROAD WITH, RIGHT? YOU ARE NIBBLING AT TWO EDGES

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BUT THEY ARE NOT GREAT.> SO ÃÃTHE PARKING GARAGE ITSELF Ã ÃTHE LANES WILL BE SLIGHTLY LOUDER. WE HAVE NOT DESIGN THE PARKING GARAGE YET.O WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE DESIGNS. BUT I DO JUST FOR CONTEXT. WHAT WE ARE DRIVING ON DAILY IS 11 FOOT WIDE OR 12 FOOT WIDE. WE ARE ASKING FOR 12. EVERY PARKING LOT ON THE SURROUNDING COUNTY OTHER THAN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS 12 FOOT WIDE.

EVERY SINGLE ONE. THIS IS THE ONLY COUNTY THAT DOES A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR WHATEVER REASONS. BUT THE COUNTY OUTSIDE OF PONTEVEDRA ÃÃTHEY REDUCE THE PARKING LOT DEPTH TO 17 1/2. SO WE ARE EATING AWAY I WANT TO SAY BY HALF A FOOT BY THE END OF THE DAY. AND BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID. I HOPE THAT HELPS FROM THE

CONTEXT PERSPECTIVE. >> AT THE LODGE ÃÃTHERE IS SURFACE PARKING.

IT LOOKS LIKE AN ACCOUNT SPACE OF ABOUT 35 SURFACE PARKING SPACES.

ARE THERE ANY SURFACE PARKING SPACES AT THE PONTEVEDRA CLUB? >> YES SIR.

IN FRONT OF ALL THE NEW RESORTS ROOMS. THEY WILL BE MAINTAINING THE EXISTING. OR THE NEW RESORT OR SERVICE PARKING.

>> BUT THERE IS NOTHING TO SAY IN FRONT OF THE PARKING GARAGE? >> WAS NOTHING FROM THE PARKING GARAGE.UST TO BE PRECISE. THERE IS SURFACE PARKING IN THE END.

LIMITED AMOUNTS. >> AND IN THE TRUCKS ÃTESTATOR ISSUE PARKING GARAGE IS ACTUALLY A PRO PARKING GARAGE GUY BY THE WAY. BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT THE TRUCKS HAVE GOTTEN A LOT TALLER AND SO YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE DESIGN THE PARKING GARAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ACCOMMODATE AT LEAST ON THE LOWEST LEVEL TALL TRUCKS.

>> WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE END WE DEFINE BUILDING HEIGHT AS WELL.

>> WHICH COULD BASICALLY BE A DISCUSSION FOR LATER ON ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE IS.

BUT YES. THE BIG TRUCKS AND PARKING THEM IS A CHALLENGE.

I HEAR ABOUT ALMOST EVERY NIGHT FOR MY SON. SO.

>> AT A MINIMUM ÃÃTHOSE TALLER VEHICLES SHOULD NOT BE IN THE TOP DECK.

OF THE PARKING GARAGE.> I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA SAY THE FIRST FLOOR DECK.

I THOUGHT YOUR ESSAY PORTS IN MY REQUEST. >> THEY DO HAVE TO GET THEM, BUT THIS PARTICULAR WAIVER EXAMPLE SHOWS WHAT, LIKE, WE PALL HAVE EXPERIENCED SINCE THEN. MOST OF US LIKE, MY INITIAL REACTION IS THAT ALL OF THE LARGE NUMBER OF TRUCK VEHICLES AND SUBURBANS ETC. ÃÃTHEY ARE WIDER AND HARDER TO GET YOUR CAR AROUND. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO NOT RECOGNIZE REALITY WHEN IT'S THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO AN ACCOUNT AND SAY OKAY ÃÃ LET'S JUST GO LOOK. A FEW WEEKENDS ÃÃLET'S SEE HOW BAD IT REALLY IS.

I DON'T ÃÃAND THAT IT WILL BE 30 PERCENT OVERSIGHT. BUT I WOULD BE FOOLISH NOT TO

THINK ABOUT IT AHEAD OF TIME. >> POINT TAKEN, THINKING MRS. MCKINLEY.

>> MRS. HAGAN? >> HEY. THE CRAZY GUY AGAIN.

HONESTLY ÃTHIS MEMBERSHIP HAS A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP ON THE AMOUNT OF PARKING HAVE.

>> ACTUALLY ÃÃBY LAW ÃÃ PARKING IS MEASURED BY USE AND SQUARE FOOTAGE.

NOT BASED ON MEMBERSHIP. >> OKAY. SO IT JUST DOES WHATEVER SHE SAID. I WILL GO FROM THERE. IF AT THE END CONTINUES TO INCREASE ÃÃTHEIR MEMBERS NUMBERS, THERE WILL BE NO LIMIT ON EVER HAVING ENOUGH PARKING.

PARKING WILL BE YOUR BIGGEST Ã ÃYOUR BIGGEST PARKING AS YOU TRY TO ACCOMMODATE.

IT CREATES MORE REVENUE. FOR THE END. SO ÃÃHAVE TO DEAL WITH TESTIS MEMBERS WOULD BE MOSTLY LOCAL PEOPLE. YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR GUESTS ÃÃ WHICH ARE YOUR PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO SUSTAIN IN THE PROPERTY. THEN YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR EMPLOYEES ÃÃYOU PARKING REQUIREMENT. IF YOU GET IT ÃÃYOU GIVE ME ANYMORE BECAUSE OF EARLY GONNA GO OFF THE BOARD HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NUMBERS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNTY RECEIVE NUMBERS AS TO THE MEMBERSHIP COUNT FROM WE ARE

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YOUR PROJECTIONS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. ON MEMBERSHIP SPIRIT.

>> FOR THE CHAIR FOR MR. [INDISCERNIBLE] AGAIN ÃÃWE'VE SET A NUMBER OF TIMES AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN. THE MEMBERSHIP INFORMATION IS PROPRIETARY.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO DISCLOSE THAT. BUILDINGS [INDISCERNIBLE] THEY DID NOT HAVE TO. THEY DO NOT HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT. THEY DO NOT HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT.

>> OKAY. >> COUNTY RULES. >> EVEN THOUGH THE MEMBERSHIP

GROUP. INDISCERNIBLE] >> IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC.

THEY DO NOT WANT TO PROVIDE US. ANY NUMBERS. >> THEY ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO

PROVIDE US WITH THAT INFORMATION. >> OKAY.

NAM TALK ABOUT. >> COUNTY INFORMATION REQUIRES YOU TO.

YOU CAN ASK PEOPLE FOR THIS. THEY DO NOT WANT TO PROVIDE US WITH INFORMATION.

SO WE HAVE TO PUT THE BEEN THERE. >> ON CAN ASK FOR STROKE WORK.

FIRST THING IN THERE. WERE WE ABLE TO AS WITH PUBLIC INFORMATION ÃÃOBTAIN MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND WHAT THE CLUB WOULD PROJECT FOR THE NEXT

THREE YEARS. >> RIGHT. AND WE ADDRESS THIS EARLIER IN THE MEETING. THAT IS NOT PUBLIC INFORMATION PERTINENT TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S PROPRIETARY BUSINESS INFORMATION. APPLICANTS ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO

PROVIDE IT. >> OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO IT. OKAY. SO ÃÃELLEN, IF YOU SEE IT WITHIN YOUR HEART ÃÃI WOULD REALLY BE CURIOUS TO SEE YOUR MEMBERSHIP I GUESS I WOULD SAY LIMIT. FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS POINT WHAT YOU ARE PROJECTING FOR THE NEXT THREE.O ÃÃIF IN YOUR HEART [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> I WOULD ALSO SAY ONE THING. THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO TRAFFIC AND PARKING ÃÃWHICH ARE GETTING TWO. THE PARKING IS BASED ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO ÃÃAGAIN ÃÃAS MR. DAVIS Ã ÃI REMEMBERED YOU TODAY.

>> WHAT'S HIS NAME? >> MY BRAIN IS SLOWLY TAKING TRAINING DOWN.

AGAIN ÃÃPARKING IS BASED ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR USES AND SQUARE FOOTAGE IS.

NOT FOR MEMBERSHIP. BUT AGAIN ÃÃAS BEEN POINTED OUT BY YOUR FELLOW BOARD

MEMBERS, MR. PAYTON IS SITTING RIGHT HERE. >> WHICH ONE?

>> THEY UNDERSTAND ÃÃ ACTUALLY, THERE ARE THREE OF THEM AND THEY ARE ALL SITTING

RIGHT HERE.> I KNOW. >> AND THEY ARE ALL HEARING THEIR COMMENTS ABOUT PARKING.

>> YES. >> SO I THINK THEY KNOW PAINFULLY ABOUT THE SIZES OF VEHICLES. I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND FULLY THAT EVEN THOUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ÃÃTHEY WERE HIGHER X NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.

THEY MAY PROVIDE X PLUS SOMETHING. THAT'S IN THEIR PURVIEW.

ALL OF THE PUD REQUIRES AGAIN TEST TEST SETS THE MINIMUM PARAMETERS WHICH AGAIN, ARE SET

BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR PARKING. >> OKAY.

SO ÃÃWHAT I BE THROWN OUT OF THE COURTROOM IF I SAID THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE NUMBER OF MEMBERSHIPS HAVE NOW EXCEEDED THIS RESORT AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE SEEING THESE ADDITIONAL LARGE CAR PARKING ÃÃWHICH I THINK IS THE BIGGEST POSITION THAT THESE PEOPLE IN THE

AUDIENCE ARE UPSET ABOUT. >> I CANNOT HEAR YOU. >> I SAID ÃÃSORRY.

I SAID YOU RAISED THIS POINT SEVERAL TIMES. I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT OF VIEW AND I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT WAIVER.

SORRY. WE CAN'T. ONE MORE QUESTION HERE.

>> I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION ON THE SIZE OF PARKING SPACES. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND. ACTUALLY ÃÃOUR CODE IN PONTE VEDRA IS DIFFERENT THAN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OF COURSE WE BELIEVE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

WE BELIEVE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, WE ARE DIFFERENT. SO SAYING THAT WE ARE DIFFERENT ÃÃTHAT IS KIND OF A GOOD THING. SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND ÃÃ DRIVE WHILE WHERE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS 26 FEET. THE REACTION OF A SMALL DRIVE FILE, CORRECT? OURS IS 24 FEET. THERE'S IS 26.

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YOU ARE REQUESTING FROM THE BACK OF THE CURB TO MEASURE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE REQUEST TO

GET THE 20 FEET? >> I WILL REFER TO SUSIE. I THINK IT'S FACE OF THE CURB.

DOES IT SAY BACK OF CURB? >> YOURS IS THE WAIVER REQUEST IS TO MEASURE FROM THE BACK OF THE CURB. SO YOU ARE REQUESTING BACK OF THE CURB 18 FEET.

THINK BACK OF THE CURB IS 20 FEET. >> THAT'S A MISPRINT I BELIEVE.

T SHOULD BE FACE OF CURB. >> FACE OF CURB? WE ARE TO BE DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT OUR CODE IS AND WHAT YOU ARE REQUESTING. OUR CODE IS 10 BY 20 AND YOU

ARE REQUESTING. >> NINE BY 18. >> THAT'S ONE FOOT BY TWO FEET.

SO OUR DRIVE FILE IS ACTUALLY 24 FEET NOW. VERSUS THE 26 FEET THAT'S IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. OKAY. DID I GET ALL THAT CORRECT?

>> YES MA'AM. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. YOU WANT TO MEASURE FROM FACE

OF CURB. NOT BACK OF CURB, RIGHT? >> YES MA'AM.

>> I'VE NOTED THAT CORRECTION IN THE TEXT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. I'M SORRY ÃÃI KNOW CHIP HAD SOMETHING TO.

SELF æ >> MY QUESTION IS THE PARKING GARAGE IS STILL ALL SPECULATION. YOU DON'T KNOW THE DESIGN OF IT YET, RIGHT?

>> WOULD NOT FINISH THE DESIGN OF THE PARKING GARAGE. WE HAVE GOT QUALIFIED ARCHITECTS, WHO ARE IN DD RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT FINISHED YET.

>> IT'S NOT FINISHED. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE WOULD BE EVEN CONTEMPLATING WAIVER IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIZES OF CARS. HOW THAT TRAFFIC CAN GO WITH IN THE PARKING GARAGE OR WHAT HAVE YOU. SO ÃÃIMAGINE I HAVE A QUESTION AND I'M NOT SEEING THE DESIGN AND PARKING GARAGE. HAVE BEEN FINALIZED.

WHAT THE CONCEPT WOULD BE. SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.

>> SO ÃÃIF YOU ÃÃI THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION AND I'LL JUST HAVE TO ENTER THE BEST I CAN. WHEN WE LOOK AT PARKING SPACES AND LET ME DO A DIFFERENT ANALOGY FOR YOU. A LOT OF TIMES WE SENT 20 PARKING SPACES CAN WE PICK UP IF WE WANT TO GO COMPACT OVER ANOTHER? AND YOU DO THE MATH AND SAY OKAY ÃÃI CAN HAVE MAKING UP NUMBERS RIGHT NOW. I CAN AND 15 MORE SPOTS IF I REPLACED 80 PARKING SPOTS WITH COMPACT, RIGHT? IT'S THE SAME MENTALITY HERE.

WE DON'T HAVE THE FINAL DESIGN. BUT WE CERTAINLY KNOW WHEN WE REDUCE WHAT MS. RAWSON SAID BY ONE FOOT WITH AND TO FOOT LENGTH ÃÃYOU ARE GOING INTO IT WITH MORE PARKING AND AT THE END OF THE DAY AND WE'VE DONE PARKING GARAGES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

AND WE KNOW THERE ARE RULES OF THUMB BASED ON SQUARE FEET. ON THIS AMOUNT OF PARKING

GARAGES PER FLOOR WOULD YIELD THIS MANY PARKING STALLS. >> AND I UNDERSTOOD IT.

I'VE BEEN IN A LOT OF PARKING GARAGES.SO YOU CAN DESIGN A FLOOR FOR COMPACT CARS ONLY.

YOU CAN DESIGN A FLOOR FOR THE EXTENDED AND THEREFORE YOU DO NOT NEED TO HAVE UNIVERSAL WAIVER FOR THE SIZE OF THE LOT ÃÃTHE SPACE BEING STRUCK DOWN.

YOU CAN KEEP IT WHERE IT IS. AND JUST MAKE IT THE WAY YOU WANT TO MAKE IT.

BUT AGAIN, WITHOUT SEEING DESIGN FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, YOU CAN HAVE MORE SPACES IF YOU

WENT COMPACT ONLY. >> I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS RELAXATION.

FROM THE LARGER STUFF. AND IF WE DON'T ADDRESS IT NOW ÃÃTHEN THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS IN THE FUTURE. THIS IS OUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO.

THIS IS OUR ONLY TIME TO DO THIS. >> WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM GUIDANCE AS FAR AS WHAT WE WOULD LOVE FOR THEY CAN DESIGN THE PARKING GARAGE.

SO IF WE ALLOW SMALLER SPACES OR ALLOW A DIFFERENT MIX OF COMPACT VERSUS NORMAL SIZED SPACES OR COMPACT VERSUS NORMAL VERSUS TRUCK SPACES, YOU KNOW? ONCE WE GIVE THEM THAT PARAMETER, WE CAN COME BACK AND HAVE THEM DESIGN A PARKING GARAGE.

BUT UNTIL WE PASSED THE WAIVER ÃÃTHEY CANNOT DESIGN. >> THERE IS ALSO A CONCEPTUAL ISSUE ABOUT THE PUD, WHICH X THIS MEETING SO LENGTHY IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING AND ASKING ABOUT SMALLER NUMBER OF BUILDINGS AND SMALLER PROPERTY THAN THERE AREN'T SO MANY UNKNOWNS. THIS IS BASICALLY A HUGE AMOUNT OF UNKNOWNS IN SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT. AND IT'S NOT AS SATISFYING AS WHEN YOU HAVE THE DRAWING BUILDINGS. THIS IS A PHENOMENA.

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BOX. >> UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I ALSO SUBSCRIBE TO THE THEORY ÃÃDO YOU THINK OR DO YOU KNOW? SO LET'S WORK WITH FACTS OF

WHAT WE KNOW. >> THERE'S A LOT TO THINK IN HERE.

TO TONY! ÃÃACTUALLY, YOU COULD THINK I HAVE COMPACT CAR SPACES AT EIGHT AND HALF BY 16 IT IS THAT CORRECT? AND A HANDICAPPED TO BE 12 BY Ã 20. SO TO TONY! LET'S SEE WHAT THEY HAVE BEFORE

WE HAVE ANY WAIVERS. IS THAT YOUR POINT TONY? >> MR. ALLISON AND WITH ALL THE RESPECT ÃÃWE CANNOT DESIGN IT WITHOUT THE FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENTS.

>> YES, WE HAVE TO GET THE WAIVER BEFORE THEY DESIGN IT. THEY CANNOT DESIGN IN THE LATER ON WE GIVE THEM A WAIVER.O UNTIL WE TELL THEM IF WE'RE GOING ALLOW THEM TO GO TO THE SMALLER SIDE SPACES ÃÃMAKES A DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS HOW BIG THE GARAGE IS.

SO ALMOST ÃÃIF WE ALLOW THE SMALLER SPACES, WE CAN OF THE SMALLER GARAGE.O ÃÃSO IT'S

A LITTLE æ >> I DON'T THAT WOULD HAPPEN JOHN.

I'M ALL FOR SMALLER SPACES. >> EACH SPACE COST A LOT OF MONEY.

IF YOU CAN MAKE THE GARAGE SMALLER, IT'S NOT AS BIG AS FAR AS THE LOOK GOES AND ALSO IT

SAVES MONEY. >> I CAN MAKE THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF MAKING IT BIGGER.

>> THROUGH THE CHURCH TO THE VARIOUS BOARD MEMBERS TO, WITH RESPECT TO PUD'S AND I WILL LIMIT DISCUSSION TO PONTE VEDRA, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF SOFT RUST VILLAGE. THERE REOPENING OF THE OAK RIDGE GOLF COURSE.

ALL THIS STARTED OUT WITH PUD'S VERY SIMILAR. DRAFTED THEM SO I KNOW.

THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. AND THEY STARTED OUT WITH A SERIES OF WAIVERS BECAUSE MR. PIG DUDA ÃÃTIER POINT ÃÃTHE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH SETS THE CRITERIA FOR A PUD REQUIRES WAIVERS BY THEIR NATURE.

BY ITS CONTENT. AND SO ÃÃWE ARE PROVIDING YOU WITH A LIST OF ALL THE WAIVERS AND THINKING BEFORE ANYTHING CHANGES SO THEIR CERTAINTY FOR OUR TEAM TO KNOW THAT THESE ARE THE PARKING SPACE OR WHATEVER. HERE WHATEVER THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND LIMITATIONS AS YOU GO TO THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY, THEN TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY.

WE ARE TRYING TO SET THOSE DEVELOPMENT PARAMETERS AND ONE POD ORDINANCE AND THE EXHIBITS ARE PART OF THAT PUD ORDINANCE SO THAT THERE IS CERTAINTY ABOUT WHAT CAN HAPPEN.

AND WE'RE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE OTHER EXHIBITS WHEN WE FINISHED TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER WAIVERS. BUT YOUR POINT ABOUT PARKING SPACE SIZE IS NOTED. YOUR VARIOUS POINTS. OKAY.

SO, WE ARE ALREADY GOING TO WAIVER 16, 17, AND 18, WHICH I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT IN COMBINATION BECAUSE THEY ALL RELATE TO COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE. AND AGAIN, WE WENT TO THE PONTE

VEDRA ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. >> LET'S JUST GO ONE AT A TIME.

THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO. ONE AT A TIME.> OKAY. 16 RELATES TO THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AND SIZE OF SIGNS PERMITTED IN THE ARE THREE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

SO ÃÃTHAT ÃÃSO THE WAIVER REQUEST WILL INCREASE THAT GROUND SIGN BASED AREA FROM 32 SQUARE FEE TO 40 SQUARE FEET. SO EIGHT SQUARE FEET. AND TO INCREASE THE GROUND SIGN HEIGHT FROM EIGHT FEET Ã10 FEET. AND THAT'S IN THE UNIFIED SIGN PLAN, WHICH NEEDS TO BE UPDATED BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THE PONTE VEDRA ARCHITECTURAL

REVIEW COMMITTEE. WHICH IS EXHIBIT E TIER PUD. >> SO ÃÃWHEN I WAS READING THIS AND ALSO WITH STAFF COMMENTS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU PROPOSE FOUR PROJECT ENTRANCE MONUMENT SIGNS AT 80 SQUARE FEET. 10 FEET AND HEIGHT.

SO THAT'S LIKE EIGHT BY 10. AND IMAGINE MYSELF DRIVING DOWN TO THE BOULEVARD.

AND WHERE WOULD THESE SIGNS BE PLACED AND WHY DO THEY NEED TO BE SO LARGE? BECAUSE TO ME, TRULY OBVIOUS WHAT YOU COME UPON ANY CLUB GOLF COURSE.

YOU COULD TELL THEY ARE THERE. YOU KNOW? WHY DOES THE SIGN HAVE TO BE SO

LARGE? >> OKAY. THIS IS MISS PEGGY.HE IS THE AUTHOR OF THE UNIFIED SIGN PLAN. SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE WAIVERS. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO GET TO THE UNIFIED SIGN PLAN DETAILS IN A

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>> RIGHT. >> I CAN'T. I MIGHT HAVE TO ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] LADY? WHY ARE WE GETTING INTO ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW TO THE

ISSUES? >> I'M SORRY. >> THESE ARE ÃÃTHESE ARE PART

OF THE WAIVER PACKAGE FOR THE PUD. >> WELL ÃÃBUT THEY ARE NOT

PACKAGES FOR US. >> YES, THEY ARE. YES IT IS.

>> PER COLOR? >> PER SIZE PER. >> PER SIZE.

>> IT'S THE FIRST THING I'M LOOKING AT. EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.

SAME THING HAPPENED ON WEDNESDAY. WE PROPOSED THE WHOLE GAMUT AND THEY HAD ZONING ISSUES AND THAT IS WHY THE ARC AS PER OUR CONTINUATION.

LOOKING AT WHAT THEY ARE GIVING ME.> I'M LOOKING AT MY TEXT. >> NO, I'M LOOKING AT THEIR SCREEN. SO ÃÃARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS HERE TONIGHT AND AGAIN ÃÃARC

ISSUES OR ARE WE STRICTLY DOING? >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SIZE

OF THE SIGNS. >> THAT'S NOT US. >> THAT IS SECTION 8.2.5 Z

SIGNAGE. IN YOUR PACKET. >> I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE

PACKET. >> IT'S ON PAGE 6. >> I DON'T CARE.

>> IT'S ON PAGE 16. OKAY.

ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE SIGNS. LET'S FOCUS ON THAT. >> MS. HAIG HAS TO GRAB IT.

WHEN YOU GRAB ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTS BECAUSE THERE ARE NUMBER OF ÃÃYES.

THIS IS EXHIBIT E. >> IN YOUR PACKET? >> YES.

EXHIBIT E IN YOUR PACKET. QUESTION ONE WAS ABOUT THE REQUEST TO INCREASE SIZE OR SET THAT NEW CONSISTENT MAXIMUM BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES AND THEN AS IT RELATES TO THEIR LOCATION ON THE BOULEVARD. SO MUCH LIKE THE PUD ITSELF, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND A SIGN PLAN IS YOUR MASTER PLAN THAT WILL TELL US WHERE THE LOCATIONS OF CERTAIN SIGNS ARE.

THOSE LARGER SIGNS.O ÃÃTHE MAP THAT THEM SHOWING IS FROM EXHIBIT E, WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKET. IT'S FOR THE END CLUB PROPERTY. WE ALSO HAVE A LOCATION MAP FOR THE SAME TYPE OF PROJECT MONUMENT SIGNS. AND YOU CAN SEE ALONG THE BOULEVARD WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THOSE PLACED. THAT CORRESPONDS TO THE CHART THAT YOU HAVE THAT GIVES THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AND SETS THAT. IT ALSO GIVES US THE SIZE THE MAXIMUM SIZE OF THE SIGN THAT IT COULD BE AND THEN IN THE ARCHITECTURAL SECTION ÃÃIT TELLS US WHATEVER THE COLORS OF THE SIGNS AND AND AS TO THE MATERIAL TYPES MENTOR MAXIMUM HEIGHTS. SO TOGETHER, WE KNOW WE WILL NOT LITTER THE BOULEVARD WITH A NUMBER OF MONUMENT SIGNS. HERE'S WHERE THEIR GENERAL LOCATIONS WOULD BE, RIGHT? THE ADDITION HERE ALONG THE GOLF COURSE REHAB ALONG THE BOULEVARD ÃÃTHESE TWO ENTRANCE SIGNS WHICH IS REALLY OF THE PICKETS THE END ITSELF. THEN AS WE MOVE SOUTH AND AS WE USE THIS FALL AS A REFERENCE POINT THERE AS WELL. AND THEN JUST TO QUICKLY SHOW SIMILARLY OUR SIGNAGE LOCATION MAP HERE IS WHERE WE HAVE THE LODGE.

WHERE THOSE ENTRANCE MONUMENT SIGNS WOULD BE LOCATED AND WHAT IT'S PROPOSED TO BE MATCHING UP TO THE CHART. SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND PERMITTING ÃÃSTAFF WILL LOOK AT THE NCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WE FILE AND JUST MATCH THE LOCATIONS FOR THOSE PER DAY WILL COUNT THE NUMBER. IT CANNOT EXCEED THE NUMBER.

AND THEN WHEN IT GETS TO PERMITTING, THEY WILL MATCH UP TO THE ADVERTISING DISPLAY AREA. THAT WAS SETTING IN THAT CONSISTENT SIZE AS WELL AS WHAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM. SO YOU ARE VERY WELL-VERSED IN TIER CODE.

YOU KNOW THAT IN THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING CODE SECTION THAT GIVES YOU A GREATER SIZE OF YOUR SIGN. THE 80 SQUARE FEET. IN THE OVERLAY SECTION, REDUCES IT DOWN TO THAT 60 SQUARE FEET. SEE HAVE TWO COMPETING CODES. WE ARE REQUESTING TO LIFT AND IDENTIFY THE NUMBER OF SIGNS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT GREATER MAXIMUM.

AN EXCHANGE FOR THAT WAIVER. SO AND THEN IT'S BUCKLED AND WITH THE EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE ARE EXISTING SIGNAGE AND THEN KIND OF USING THAT ONE IMPRESSION OF OUR MONUMENT SIGNS. AS THE BRANDING FOR SECOND I THINK? THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET. JUST TO PUT ON AN OVERHEAD. HAT WE KNOW TO BE OUR SIGNAGE HERE USING IN THE CLUB AS AN EXAMPLE. AND THAT WHAT COULD BE A THE RECIPE IF YOU WILL FOR OUR UNIFYING SIGN PLAN. SO WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A MONUMENT SIGN BRANDING WITH THE MATERIALS AND THE COLORS THAT WE USE THAT AGAIN ADOPT WITHIN ARCHITECTURAL PLAN.O ÃÃ IT'S NOT A LITTERING. IT'S ESTABLISHING THE NUMBER OF SIGNS YOU CAN HAVE. THIS WORKS WITHIN THE KIND OF MASTER PLAN FOR SIGNAGE THAT WE COULD HAVE. WITHIN IT AS WELL AS PROVIDING THE SAME FOR WALL SIGNS WHICH WE WILL COMPLY WITH YOUR CODE. THERE IS NO WAIVER DEVIATION TO THAT EXTENT.

>> SO SIMPLY PUT ÃÃWHY IS THE SIGNS NEED TO BE 80 SQUARE FEET?

>> THAT WOULD GIVE FOR THE MAXIMUM. THAT'S THE TOTAL ADVERTISING

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WERE WE COULD HAVE OUR EXISTING SIGN SIZE THAT WE SEE HERE IS ABOUT 60 SQUARE FEET.

IT DOES GIVE SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU WOULD SEE WITH YOUR ADVERTISING DISPLAY AREA.

THIS IS A PERFECT KIND OF BOX FOR ADVERTISING DISPLAY AREA. HERE IS MORE LINEAR OF WHAT WE CAN HAVE. SO AS THE ARCHITECTURAL TEAM COMES BACK AND WORKS WITH ARCHITECTURAL THAT THEY HAVE Ã ÃIT GIVES THEM THAT GREATER BOX TO LOOK AT.

IT'S COUPLED WITH LIMITING IT. SO I THINK IN THE CONTEXT OF THE BOULEVARD, 80 SQUARE FEET IS NOT TOO FAR OFF FROM THE 60 SQUARE FEET WHEN YOU CONSIDER IT LIMITED TO THE NUMBER OF

SIGNS THAT YOU PUT ON THE SIDES. >> THE POINT IN TRYING TO MAKE

IS THE SPEED LIMIT IS 15 MILES AN HOUR? >> YES.

>> IF YOU DRIVE BY THE CURRENT SIGNS ÃÃYOU CAN'T MISS THEM. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY

NEED TO BE LARGER. >> YES, I FOLLOW THAT. SOMETIMES YOU HEAR YES.

>> SO WE CAN MOVE ON. I'VE SAID WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> HAVE A QUESTION. HOW BIG IS THE EXISTING SIGN? >> WE GAVE AN EXAMPLE HERE.

WE MEASURE THAT IS 60 SQUARE FEET PER SIDE ON EACH SIDE AND EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT.

>> DOES THAT INCLUDE THE? >> THAT MATCHES THE OVERLAY BUT DOES NOT ENJOY WHAT'S IN THE

PONTE VEDRA SECTION FOR THAT 80 SQUARE FEET IN THE 10 FEET. >> THE 60 SQUARE FEET, DOES

THAT INCLUDE THE THING ON THE TOP? >> THAT'S THE MAIN PONTE VEDRA

SQUARE. CORRECT. >> 60 SQUARE FEET?

OKAY. >> YOU'RE ASKING FOR 80 SQUARE FEET OF DISPLAY AREA.

IS THAT IT DOUBLE SIDED TENDER SINGLE-SIDED SIGN? >> DOUBLE-SIDED SIGN.

NOT TO EXCEED. YOU CANNOT PULL THE HUNDRED AND 60 SQUARE FEET ON ONE SIDE.

THE 80 PER SIGN IN TOTAL FOR THE HUNDRED AND 60. >> OKAY, THANKS.

>> ONE QUICK QUESTION.S THIS CONCEPT INTO SIGNS THAT ARE IN JACKSONVILLE BEACH JURISDICTION?> NO ÃÃIT DOESN'T. THOSE ARE SEPARATE SO IT DOES NOT BRING THOSE IN OR GIVE ANY REGULATION TO THAT.> AND THOSE ARE HOW BIG DO YOU

RECEIVE THEM BEING?MALLER? >> I DID NOT SURVEY THOSE SO I CANNOT SAY.

>> WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT.

>> I WOULD IMAGINE THEY BE BIGGER IF THEY DON'T HAVE. >> WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME

OVERHANG. >> OKAY.HAKING THEIR HEADS THAT THEY BELIEVE IT'S BIG.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR FACT. >> I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT.

THERE, THANK YOU. >> EXCUSE ME. SO ÃÃTHERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF REGULATION FOR BOTH OF THEM AS FAR AS SIZE. SO ÃTHIS WE BASICALLY SAYING WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SIZE REQUIREMENT IS FOR THE SIGN? WILL YOU BE THE ONE DOING ONE SIGN ALONG THE OFF OF 1A? AND THEN THAT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION ABOVE HOME DEPOT? IS THAT WHERE THAT IS?> NO. THESE SIGNS ARE AND PONTE VEDRA

BOULEVARD. NOT A 1A. >> BECAUSE YOU'VE ASSIGNED OVER

THERE ON RIGHT OFF. HOME DEPOT AND. >> YES.ND THAT'S NOT IN THIS PACKET. IT'S NOT THERE. YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISION

ON THAT. >> AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE IN

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> IT'S NOT WITHIN THE PROPERTY THAT'S WITHIN THE PUD

APPLICATION. >> OKAY. THANKS.

>> JUST MAYBE ONE CLARIFICATION. WERE WE USE THE TERM FLAGS.

ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE FLAGPOLES FLIGHTS ON FLAGPOLES, NOT THOSE BIG FLAGS, THAT

ANNOUNCE. >> CORRECT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION.

NOT THE DANCING GUYS. OKAY, THANK YOU. >> THAT'S FOR WAIVER 17?

>> YES.> OKAY. >> WE DID SPECIFICALLY TELL THEM.

[INDISCERNIBLE] TO SIGN WAIVERS. >> IF WE CAN GO BACK TO OUR POWERPOINT ÃÃYES.LET'S TALK TO THE SIGN WAIVERS BECAUSE WE CAN FIND THEM ON THE SLIDE.

BUT WE CAN TALK TO THEM ONE BY ONE OVER TEXT IF WE NEED TO. >> I WOULD JUST ADD TO THIS.

THIS REALLY GIVES YOU THE IMPRESSION OF THE SIGNS. IN THAT THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WALK THROUGH. SO THOSE TWO PAIR UP TO GIVE

YOU YOUR UNIFIED SIGN PLAN. THANK YOU. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WAIVER 17 SECTION 825 SIGN TYPES? OR ABOUT SECTION X C5 NUMBER

AND SIZE OF SIGNS? >> WELL, I WOULD JUST SAY WE WANT TO STAY WITH THE 1960 LOOK OR DO WE WANT TO BRING PONTE VEDRA UP TO THE 2023 AND MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE MODERN?SO.

>> I THINK THEY'RE PROPOSING TO MATERIAL THAT GOES ON THE OVERHEAD.

>> I'M LOOKING AT IT. YES. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> THERE ARE THREE CHOICES. AND THEN COLORS. >> WE ARE NOT MAKING A DECISION. THIS IS JUST A WAIVER THAT THEY ARE SHOWING US WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO AND THE SIZE OF THE SIGNS TO BE USED. THE CORRECT ONE.

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>> AND NOT SURE THESE ARE. THE ARCHITECTURAL. >> SO ÃÃTHE S.

>> NO, NO ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] YOGA, AND THE ZE.

AND THEN YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION ABOUT SECTION 8 Q5C TYPE OF SIGN?

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SIGNS? IT'S A WAIVER FROM PONTE VEDRA ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE TO REVIEW EACH SIGN CORRECT?

IS THAT PART OF THE WAIVER? >> THE INITIAL BUNDLE. YOU ARE CORRECT.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> AND THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL.> CORRECT. THEY APPROVED OUR D PACKET. SO THE COLOR PALETTE NOT ON THE

SIGN PLAN. >> A MEGAN ÃÃDID WE RECOMMEND THAT WE COME BACK TO FULL REVIEW AND APPROVAL? IT WAS NOT OF DISAPPROVAL, CORRECT? WE DID NOT HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT. SO I DON'T THINK THEY DID NOT NOT APPROVE IT.HEY JUST SAID WE WANT TO COME BACK AND PROVE VIEW THE APPROVED BY A SPIRIT.

>> THE UNIFIED SIGN PLAN, THE RECOMMENDED DENIAL.E RECOGNIZED THAT WE HAVE WORK TO DO ON IT AND WE WANT TO MAKE THOSE BIG CHANGES BETWEEN NOW AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER

PERIOD. OKAY. >> SINCE WE REACHED THROUGH THE CLOCK AND SAID WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK AT THREE ÃÃIS THERE ANY?

>>

>> I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE EVERYBODY BACK AND WE WILL REOPEN THE SEPTEMBER 11 POINT

EVITA HEARING. >> THANK YOU ELLEN.E HAVE FINISHED THE WAIVERS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD PAS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. SO GET YOUR QUESTIONS.

>> I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. THEY ARE LOOKING ALL THE WAIVERS.

ALL THE WAIVERS. LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS WELL. THAT APPLIES IN ABSENCE OF.

>> WILL TALK ALL ABOUT ALL THOSE WAIVERS. WE WILL KEEP TALKING.

>> NOT THAT I WANT TO ADD TO THE MEETING TIME. THEY ARE CONSIDERING ALL THE

WAIVERS. >> OKAY. SO LET'S GO AND AGAIN ASKED MR. HAGAN TO COME UP HERE BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE TO IMPROMPTU TAGTEAM THESE BECAUSE IN GETTING TIRED OF TALKING. BUT I'M GONNA FLIP FORWARD SO WE'RE GOING ON WAIVER 19.HIS IS FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THIS IS IN YOUR PUD TEXT TO HAVE TEMPORARY USE PERMITS FOR MORE THAN ONE TIME PER MONTH. FOR EVENTS THAT WOULD OCCUR ON THESE PROPERTIES. I MEAN ÃÃOBVIOUSLY DURING THE SUMMER TIME, IN PARTICULAR, THERE ARE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT OCCUR. SO THAT IS AN EXISTING CONDITION THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR AS FAR AS MOSTLY EVENTS THAT WOULD BE HELD ON ONE OF THE TWO CAMPUSES OR BOTH. AND SO ÃÃTHAT IS THE REASON FOR WAIVER NUMBER 19.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THE TYPE OF EVENTS?

>> YES ÃÃIF YOU LOOK AT THE PUD TEXT I'M GONNA GO BACK TO'S ÃÃSORRY.

>> P ON PAGE 15. SECTION: UNPAVED PAGE 15. >> THANK YOU LINDSAY.

THEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TEMPORARY USES THAT CAN TEMPORARILY INCLUDE ÃÃEXCUSE ME. USE OF TRAILERS FOR SHOWERS, RESTROOMS, AND OTHER RESORT SERVICES DURING CONSTRUCTION. TEMPORARY FACILITIES THAT WOULD BE THERE NO LONGER THAN THE ISSUANCE AND CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I ALSO WOULD YOU AND I WAS CAN GO BACK TO TO HANG ON. EXHIBIT. SECTION F.

AND IT WOULD BE I THINK IT'S ON PAGE 5. WITH RESPECT TO THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ÃÃTHAT

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SO ÃTHIS RESOURCE MAY INCLUDE KIOSK MOVABLE CARDS AND VEHICLES FOR THE SALE OF FOOD, BEVERAGES, AND MERCHANDISE. AND SEASONABLE SALES AND RELATABLE MERCHANDISE.

THAT WOULD BE THE KIND OF THING THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. LITERALLY IF THERE'S A FOURTH OF JULY CELEBRATION AND THERE ARE FIREWORKS ON THE BEACH OR SOMETHING.THERE COULD BE FOOD TRUCKS. THAT KIND OF AN EVENT. I GONNA PUT THEM ON?

>> WE WOULD SO THAT EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE CAN READ THROUGH EACH OF THE WAIVERS AS

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THEM. >> GOOD, THANK YOU. >> ALAN AND I ARE JUST WONDERING WHETHER REQUEST THAT IS NO MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PERMITS PER YEAR.

PER PARCEL IT SEEMS LIKE. >> SIMPLY BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO RESORT RELATED USES.

ALL THESE KINDS OF USES WOULD ONLY BE RESORT RELATED AND AGAIN, IF IT COULD BE COULD BE SUMMERTIME EVENTS THAT THERE WOULD BE FOOD TRUCKS. THERE BE WEDDINGS OR WHATEVER

IT IS. >> AND ALL THESE WOULD BE ON YOUR PROPERTY?

>> YES SIR. >> 'SARE NOT OFF-SITE. >> NOT ON THE BOULEVARD EITHER.

ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. >> IN THESE USES THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING OF OUR TEMPORARY IN NATURE? LIKE FOR THE DURATION OF THE EVENT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NOT THE ÃÃI THINK THERE'S A 30 DAY IN HERE, CORRECT?

>> YES. SO THESE ARE FOR THE TEMPORARY USES.

THE ONES THAT LINDSAY POINTED OUT THAT ARE IN SECTION P WOULD BE RELATED TO THINGS THAT WOULD EXIST SAY FOR EXAMPLE WHEN ONE OF THE WORKOUT FACILITIES WAS TORN DOWN.

THERE NEED TO BE PLACES WHERE WHEN PEOPLE GO TO THE SURF CLUB.

WHEN SOMEBODY GOES TO THE BEACH AND WANTS TO COME BACK AND SHOWER OFF OR WHATEVER ÃÃTHEY WANT A COKE OR WHATEVER IT IS. THERE HAS TO BE A FACILITY AVAILABLE FOR THE KIND OF A THING. THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF SECTION P. AND THEN WE GO BACK TO THE SECTION F WHICH RELATES TO SPECIAL ÃÃSORRY. SPECIAL EVENTS AND THINGS THAT WOULD THEN NOT BE ÃÃTHERE IS NO INTENTION OF MAKING THEM ANY LONGER THAN THE EVENT LASTS.

>> KIND OF LIKE THIS. >> RICH, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> NO. >> OKAY.

NEXT WAIVER? >> THE NEXT WAIVER IS 20 AND I'M GOING TO MOVE TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP. SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO FLIP SOME PAGES.

IF WE CAN GO BACK TO OUR OVERHEAD ÃÃSORRY, TO KEEP FLIPPING BACK AND FORTH ON YOU.

>> OKAY. GOING TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN ÃÃHANG ON.

GO BACK TO THE OVERHEAD PLEASE. THANK YOU. AND I'M GOING TO THE PROPOSED

CONNECTION. GO AHEAD LINDSAY. >> THAT WORKS.

THAT WORKS. WHEN YOU HAVE THE POINT OR TWO. >> SO YOU WILL SEE IN WAIVER 20. IT'S TO ALLOW THE SERVICE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND RESTAURANTS, BARS, AND OTHER AREAS WITHIN THE PROPERTY. AND IT WILL BE ALLOWED ALONG THE BEACH AREA AS MR. DAVIS NOTED TO YOU EARLIER PONTEVEDRA PROPERTY ON WATER LINE.

SO THE IDEA IS IF YOU ARE SITTING ON A BEACH IN A LOUNGE CHAIR, THAT YOU COULD HAVE 70 BRING YOU AN ADULT BEVERAGE. AT BOTH PLACES. THAT IS THE REASON FOR WAIVER 20. ASK QUICK QUESTION. DOES THE LODGE AND CLUB HAVE AN ALCOHOL LICENSE ON THE WEST SIDE? OF THE STREET?

>> MR. GORDON IS INDICATING EXPERT. >> IT DOES?

OKAY. >> OTHER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WAIVER 20?

>> MY QUESTION IS CAN BE RELATED TO TRASH RIGHT AFTER YOU ARE DONE WITH YOUR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE LITTLE TIRED AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT THOSE ITEMS GET LEFT BEHIND ON THE BEACH. AND I'M ASSUMING THERE IS A PLAN KEEPING BOTH THE BEACH CLEAN AND REMOVAL OF THE REFUGE.

>> YES SIR, WE CAN ADD TO THE TEXT IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT PONTEVEDRA CORPORATION AND ITS EMPLOYEES WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. THEY BRING THE SURFACE.

THEY HAVE TO BRING THAT SERVICE AWAY. IF SO ÃÃSO TO SPEAK.> AND FOR A FACT THAT THE LODGE AND BEACH PEOPLE DO THE DAILY RENTALS PICKUP ALL THE TRASH.

I COULD ÃÃTHANK YOU. >> I'M MAKING A NOTE TO. >> ITEM 20 PRESENT OR JUST

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SITTING FOR THE FUTURE FOR THE LIBRARY? >> IT'S IN THE FUTURE.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU FOR. >> IT WILL ÃÃLET ME CLARIFY. ONCE THE PUD IS APPROVED, IT

WILL BE ALLOWED TO OCCUR. >> BUT CURRENTLY YOU SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES TO PEOPLE

GOING OUT ON THE BEACH TO DRINK? >> BUT THEY CANNOT BUY.

YES. SORRY. THEY CANNOT BE SERVED THERE.

>> BUT THEY CARRY IT OUT? >> WE NOT KIND CONTROL WHAT PEOPLE DO.

OKAY ÃÃGOING TO WAIVER 21 AND THIS GOES IT'S PERFECT THAT WE HAVE THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT

PLAN COULD LINDSAY, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS ONE? >> YES I DO.

IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE Ã THIS GIVES US DIRECTION WHEN WE ADOPTED PUD TO DIRECT THOSE PARAMETERS ARE BUILDING FOOTPRINT REHAB ITEMS. BOTH SIDES ARE DEVELOPED SO WE HAVE THAT EXISTING CONDITION WHERE THERE AT A GREEN FIELD ABOUT.

WE DO NOT HAVE THAT LUXURY. WE BUILT SUSPENDERS TO ADD TO A DEVELOPMENT THE PLAN.

WE DO PROVIDE AN HOUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS CONNECTIONS AND WHAT OUR SETBACKS ARE. WHAT OUR BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS ARE AND WHERE WE CAN HAVE PARTICULAR USES IN THEIR LOCATION.

SO WE HAVE THE RECIPE FOR WHAT WILL BE YOUR INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO WE DO NOT GET TO THE NEXT STEP WITHOUT WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF TO FILE AN WHERE THAT FOOTPRINT IS ADDED THAT FOOTPRINT TO MATCH THAT PLAN WHERE WE HAVE THIS CONNECTIONS FOR EXAMPLE FOR THE ACCESS ARROWS AND THE BUFFERING IN THAT SPECIFIC USE.

MATCHES UP WITH THAT GEOGRAPHY ON THE MAP. >> JUST ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, IF YOU NOTE ON THESE MAPS AND WE ARE JUST USING THE PONTEVEDRA CLUB CAMPUS IN THIS EXISTING I'M GOING BACK TO THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS.

THEY ARE THE SAME ON PROPOSED AND ACCESS. YOU WILL NOTE THAT THEY SAY THINGS LIKE HOTEL/ CONFERENCE RESORT. AND THEY SAY SPORTS ÃÃYOU HAVE THESE DESIGNATIONS. HERE IS THE SPOT. HERE IS THE SURF CLUB AND THE PERMITTED USES OF HOTEL AND RESORTS. SO YOU SEE ON EACH AREA OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN EXHIBIT C OF YOUR PACKAGE. YOU SEE WHERE VARIOUS USES CAN BE WITHIN THE PROPERTY. LIKE GOLF COURSE AND THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT.

AND TO ME TAKE HIS POINT ÃÃ THEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACCESS CONNECTIONS, WHICH IS PROVIDED IN A SEPARATE MAP ONLY FOR CLARITY. YOU SEE WHERE THE ACCESS POINTS CAN BE ON TO QUANTITY DREW BOULEVARD IN THE ADJACENT ROADS.ND A SIMILAR THING IS

PROVIDED IN THE MDP MAP FOR THE LODGE. >> I WOULD ADD THAT THIS REQUEST IS ALSO SUPPORTED BY EACH PROPERTY AS THE CORRESPONDING HEIGHT ZONE MAP.

SO WE ADD TO WHAT WOULD BE THE RECIPE FOR SHOWING THE SITE PLAN? THAT ALSO GIVES YOU THAT LEVEL OF WERE THOSE BUILDINGS ÃÃNOT ONLY IN PARTICULAR USE, BUT WHAT WOULD BE ITS VERTICAL KIND OF COMPONENT ANYWHERE LOCATED? SO THIS THINGS GIVE YOU THE PERIMETER OF THE MASTER PLAN. > ONE OF THE CURRENTS THAT I PROVED PERSONALLY HAVE FOR THE PERSONAL PLAN AND YOU HAVE ONE SMALL PIECE OF THAT LEVEL THAT IS AT AN ELEVATED HEIGHT.

THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE ONE STORY BUILDINGS. AND THIS PLAN ÃÃTHAT ALLOWS EVERY BUILDING IN THAT AREA TO BE AT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AT THE HIGHEST POINT.

WHICH IS TROUBLING TO ME. FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT. INCREMENTALLY FROM I AM DPS.

BEYOND THE PURVIEW OF THIS COURT IS PROBLEMATIC. >> WHILE WE SWITCH TO THE OVERHEAD? WE DON'T HAVE THE HEIGHT MAP IN THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE ÃÃBUT TO FILL IN THE DETAIL ÃÃTHE PURPOSE OF AN INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS LITERALLY TO FILL IN THE BUBBLES. THE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE ÃÃWHERE YOU SEE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING INN AND LINDSAY'S CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THIS IN A MINUTE. WHERE ARE YOU SEE THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING AND AND THAT'S ON A VERY SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHIC AREA.

THE HEIGHT ZONE MAP HAS AND SCALES DOWN THE TELLER BUILDINGS ARE IN THE MIDDLE THE PROPERTY. AND THE BUILDING HEIGHTS SCALED-DOWN AS YOU GET TO THE OUTSIDE IF YOU WILL. TO THE PURPOSE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWS FOR WHAT'S CALLED AN INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THAT MEANS YOU TAKE THE USES THAT ARE SET FORTH ON THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN PLUS THE HEIGHT ZONE MAP PLUS THE PUD TAX AND YOU COME UP WITH YOUR I'LL CALL A PUZZLE PIECE. THAT FITS WITHIN ALL OF THESE PARAMETERS. AND STAFF IS ABLE TO CHECK THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE PROVIDED HEIGHT

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AND IF YOU CAN'T, IT GETS BUILT AND AS ENGINEERING OCCURS. >> BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT THE BUILDING HEIGHT OF ONE BUILDING IS DETERMINING THE BUILDING HEIGHT OF THE ENTIRE AREA WITHOUT US HAVING ANY VISIBILITY OF WHAT WILL BE BUILT THERE.

>> WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU TWO BUILDINGS SO FAR. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON WHAT'S HAPPENING. THESE OTHER AREAS. WHICH IS JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT IS PROBLEMATIC. AND AND ID MP DOES NOT FIX THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT IS STILL

GONNA HAVE THAT HIGHER HEIGHT. ND JUST BE IT'S UP TO STAFF. >> GIVE A STAFFER AND PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS THAT ARE USED TO LOOKING AT INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

>> I CAN LOOK AT ONE. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE BUILDINGS ÃÃMY CONCERN IS HAVING TOO MANY BUILDINGS THAT ARE TOO HIGH. AND THAT THE MASS OF THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE TOO LARGE AND OVERWHELMING FOR THIS VERY APPROXIMATE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. CLOSE TOGETHER. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD RESOLVE THAT. I THINK WHEN WE WALK-THROUGH ON THE NEXT STEP ÃÃWE LOOK THROUGH IN OUR PRESENTATION. IT WILL HELP RESOLVE SOME OF THAT MEETING ARE STANDARD FOR SEPARATE BUILDINGS FOR ANY OF OUR NEW BUILDINGS. SO THAT THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE THE SURF PUBLICLY PLACE FOR EXAMPLE. EPIC SPORTS CLUB WITH THE PARKING GARAGE PRINCIPLE IS DETAILS ESSENTIALLY ADOPTING WHAT WOULD BE THE ZONING PROVISIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY. SO I THINK WHEN WE WALK-THROUGH THERE ÃÃTHE NEXT COUPLE OF

SLIDES, THAT WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION. >> I WILL WAIT FOR THAT I DON'T

THINK SO. >> OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW ÃÃWE'RE TALKING ABOUT WAIVER 21. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLANS? OKAY. SO WE WILL GO TO WAIVER 22.

SO ÃÃLINDSAY ÃÃYOU WILL PUT YOUR SLIDE BACK UP THAT YOU WERE JUST SHOWING?

>> OKAY. >> SEE YOU SEE ON THIS MAP ÃÃ AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN DEVELOPED FOR 100 YEARS. AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY THESE LAGOONS HAVE EXISTED FOR DECADES. THERE ARE NO WETLANDS THAT EXIST ON THIS PROPERTY.

ANY WETLAND THAT EXISTED AND I AM NOT SURE IF THEY EVER EXISTED OR NOT ARGON.

BUT THE WAIVER NUMBER 22 SIMPLY RECOGNIZES THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO WETLAND ÃÃNOT EXISTING NATIVE VEGETATION AND ALL THAT. IT'S GOLF COURSE LOOKING AND IS DEVELOPED PROPERTY.

AND THAT IS WHAT WAIVER 22 IS ABOUT. >> YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

THAT NUMBER 22? >> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE DISCREPANCIES THAT I'VE HEARD. REGARDING THE LAGOON PART OF THE POD AT THE LODGE THERE.

CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THIS ABOUT ÃÃYOU HAVE A DEED YOU SAID. CAN YOU JUST PLEASE EXPAND ON THAT PRODUCE GROWTH MANAGEMENT HAVE A COPY OF THAT DEED IN OUR PACKET THAT CAN DESCRIBE MAYBE JUST HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE OWNERSHIP LIES AND MAYBE YOU

CAN EXPAND ON THAT LITTLE BIT MORE FOR ME? >> IF YOU GIVE ME TWO MINUTES, GRAB THE TITLE COMMITMENT AND THE SURVEY. BUT WHAT MS. HAGGAI JUST TOLD ME ON THIS MAP WHERE IT SHOWS THAT PUD PARCEL THAT'S THE LAGOON PARCEL BEHIND THE CARLISLE ÃÃWE HAVE A TITLE COMMITMENT FROM A NATIONAL TITLE COMPANY THAT SAYS PONTEVEDRA CORPORATION OWNS THAT PROPERTY. NOW WE PURPOSEFULLY MARKED A NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT PEOPLE ON THE CARLISLE WILL KNOW THAT THERE IS NO INTENTION TO DEVELOP THAT LAND. BUT I HAVE PROVIDED THAT TO THE COUNTY STAFF.

MR. WHITE HOUSE REPRESENTS THE CARLISLE HAS A COPY OF THAT ALONG WITH THE SURVEY THAT SHOWS WHERE IT SHOWS VARIOUS PORTIONS OF THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION LIFE.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> OKAY ÃJUST QUESTIONS, LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT.

>> OKAY ÃÃ24 IS IDENTICAL WAIVER. THIS IS JUST FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO THE DEFINITION OF BUILDING HEIGHT THAT WE WENT OVER WITH MR. DAVIS EARLIER. DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT AGAIN?

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>> ON THIS ONE, WE DID WALK-THROUGH EARLIER BUT THE EARLIER PRESENTATION ON OUR SETBACKS AND THE PLACEMENT AND SOME OF OUR BUILDINGS ARE WITHIN NINE FEET BY FIVE FEET PER THE SPECIFIC EXCESS OR ENCROACHMENTS TO WHAT WOULD BE THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.

PECIFICALLY THOUGH ÃÃTHERE ARE SOME PARCELS WITHIN THE OVERALL INCOME PROPERTY THAT ARE OWNED BY THE JE EIGHT AND SETBACKS ARE APPLIED TO THAT SMALL SQUARE WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THE WAIVER IS TOO HARD. THE LARGER EFFORT FOR THE MASTER PLAN AND THEN SOMETHING THAT IS VERY HYPERTECHNICAL FOR FLIP STATION IS WITHIN OUR PROPERTY. WE ARE ASKING. THAT ONE IS SUPPORTED BY ARCHITECTURAL REGULATIONS AND I THINK MR. WEISS WILL WALK US THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER

QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD IN THE EARLY PART OF OUR HEARING. >> YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON

THAT? >> SO IN SIMPLE ENGLISH ÃÃ DOES THIS MEAN THAT YOU CAN HAVE YOUR ASKING JUST FOR THE CURRENT SETBACKS TO REMAIN OR REDUCE SETBACKS IN THE FUTURE?

WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU? >> WE ARE SETTING NEW MINIMUM SETBACKS THAT WOULD APPLY BOTH TO OUR BUILDINGS AND TO OUR COMMERCIAL AREAS. THAT DUKE REFLECT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT WE DO HAVE ON OUR PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN SHOW WITHIN OUR RENDERINGS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SURF CLUB AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

IF YOU RECALL MR. DAVIS US THE BOULEVARD WHERE WE HAVE ALL THE LANDSCAPING.

IT SAID WITHIN EIGHT FEET AND NOT 20 FEET. SO ÃÃYOU'RE GETTING THE

AESTHETIC THAT IS WITHIN A SMALL AREA OF SETBACK. >> AND RECALL THE YARD IS THE SAME THING AS THE SETBACKS. TODAY ARE MEASURED ONLY AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE

PROPERTIES? >> SO IT'S TWO-PRONGED. ONE IS THE AESTHETIC THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE MASTER PLAN AND THEN AGAIN HERE FOR YARDS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE LIFT STATION.

WE HAVE THE JDA AND TOTAL INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT'S INTERNAL TO THE SITE.

>> I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO CONSTRAIN TO WHAT BUILDINGS AND AREAS.

>> GOOD QUESTION. SO IT DOES ESTABLISH THIS WAIVER WOULD ESTABLISH NEW MINIMUM SETBACKS. SO IN SOME AREAS ÃÃWE WILL BE TO THAT NEW MINIMUM'S FRONT YARD SETBACK.ND IN SOME ÃÃ IT COULD BE GREATER ALONG THE ROOMS ÃÃNORTH OF THE PROPERTY. THAT WOULD BE PARKING IN FRONT TO THE BOULEVARD WE HAVE LANDSCAPING AND THAT YOU HAVE PARKING SPECIFIC TO THOSE ROOMS WHERE YOU HAVE THIS SURF CLUB EXAMPLES WHERE BUILDING IS CLOSER TO HER WITH DROP OFF SURFACE MORE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD AND HOW IT GOES OVER TO THE SPORTS CLUB.

THIS ONE MIGHT BE SERVED TO THE RENDERING SO [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> SO COULD YOU ÃÃWERE YOU HAVE A YARD SETBACK OR 20 FOOT SETBACK CHANGE IT TO FIVE IN

THE FUTURE. >> YES-MAN. THIS REQUEST IS DOING IT.

IT'S SETTING A NEW MINIMUM TO BE FIVE AND THAT HAS EXISTING CONDITIONS.

REZONED TO PUD. WE CANNOT MAKE IT FOUND AND NONCONFORMING.

IT CAN EXIST AND THEN WE CAN BUILD TO IT IN THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE SURF CLUB IS IN

RELATION TO THAT. >> SO A BUILDING COULD GO CLOSER TO WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE. BUT WE WILL GO TO

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> THAT'S GOOD. >> YES.

>> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> IT SAYS THIS VERY WELL.

THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. WE KNOW IN THE SURF CLUB WHERE THIS IS COMING IN, RIGHT? WE KNOW THE SURF CLUB IS NOT IN ITS CLOSEST IN THE BOULEVARD. IT'S NINE FEET TO THE HIGHWAY.

IT'S NONCONFORMING AS TO THE FOOTPRINT AND THEN IN OUR NEW DESIGN IT PUTS THE CORNER OF THIS BUILDING TO SPORTS CLUB. BECAUSE IT'S REALLY ABOUT ENGAGEMENT.

RIGHT?OKAY? >> GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS KYLE GRAYSON. THE CEO OF COOPER CARRY ARCHITECT FOR THE SPORTS CLUB AND SURF CLUB AND THEN WORKING WITH PONTEVEDRA ON THE MASTER PLAN FOR NUMBER OF YEARS NOW.

THAT DO WANT TO POINT OUT THE SURF CLUB. THERE IS A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THE DISTANCE FROM THE EXISTING FACE OF THE SURF CLUB TO PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD.

AND THEN WHAT THAT DIFFERENCE IS AND WHAT HE PROPOSED. AS LINDSAY MENTIONED ÃÃA NINE FOOT SETBACK. FROM THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS FOUR FEET CLOSER AND IT'S FOUR FEET CLOSER TO PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD. SO IT'S A FIVE FOOT SETBACK WHEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE WAIVER. AND FROM A MASSING STANDPOINT ON THE STREET ÃÃONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE WAY THAT THE SURF CLUB

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AND CAN PERCEIVE THE I WHEN YOU'RE ON PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD. SAME IS TRUE FOR THE SPORTS CLUB THAT'S LOCATED. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S ACROSS FROM THE NEW RESORT POOLS AND OCEAN HOUSES THAT ARE SETBACK WITH THE SURFACE PARKING BETWEEN PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD AND IT GOES TO ROOM BUILDINGS AND THE CONCEPT OF THE IS THAT THAT RELATIONSHIP WOULD

CONTINUE GOING NORTH AS EXISTING RESORT BUILDINGS. >> IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> ABOUT THE LODGE? HOW ABOUT THE LODGE BUILDINGS? HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THE LARGE BUILDINGS AND IN PARTICULAR,

THE PALMER BUILDING? THAT ABUTS A RESIDENTIAL HOME? >> EXCUSE ME? ETERNAL DELIGHTS. I JUST SEE A BLUR UP THERE. IT'S HARD TO LOOK WITH ALL THE LIGHTING HERE. [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> WE'RE GONNA ASK STAFF TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO ABOUT THE LIGHTING SO THAT YOU CAN VIEW

THE OVERHEADS BETTER. >> WAS THE QUESTION RELATIVE TO THE FAC'ADE THAT IS CLOSEST TO

PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD? >> YES SO ÃÃWHAT THE SETBACKS FOR THE EXISTING PALMER BUILDING IS SETBACK EVEN FURTHER THAN THE HOMES ARE. YOU CAN SEE HOW FAR THE HOMES ARE SETBACK. LOOK AT THE PALMER BUILDING NOW BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE FRONT OF THE BOULEVARD WITHIN FIVE FEET AND PERHAPS PARKING BEHIND IT OR BESIDE IT OR THAT KIND OF

THING? BUT THAT WOULD AFFECT. >> YES.

AGAIN, THE MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET SETBACK. >> OKAY.

>> OKAY. >> AND IT WOULD BE THE SAME WITH THE THREE HOMES 301303 AND 305? THIS COULD BE BROUGHT TO FIVE FEET?

>> AGAIN, YES. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL THE HOTEL ROOMS COULD BE PUSHED CLOSER TO THE BOULEVARD AND FURTHER AWAY FROM THE OCEAN.

>> AS LONG AS THEY MET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THOSE RESTROOMS SOMEHOW.

>> SO WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HURRICANE, I DID WANT O TALK ABOUT IT.

THERE'S A QUESTION OR AN EXISTING PARKING AND PROPOSED PARKING AND A CONCERN ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ENOUGH CAPACITY TEST TEST VISION FOR THE RESORT.

CURRENTLY THERE'S 887 PARKING SPACES AT PONTEVEDRA CLUB AND THERE'S 237 PARKING SPACES AT THE LODGE. AS THIS IS ENVISIONED, IT WOULD GET UP TO 1200 PARKING SPACES IN PONTEVEDRA AND WOULD RAISE TO 313 SPACES AND THEN BY HUNDRED AND 40: SPACES OF THE LODGE FOR AN INCREASING 440 SPACES. AND TO PUT THAT IN FOR PONTEVEDRA AND THE CLUB ÃÃ THERE IS A NET NEW IF THE POT IS APPROVED ÃÃTHAT WOULD GO TO A NEW 87 ROOMS. AGAIN ÃÃAS ELLEN MARK MENTIONED ÃÃIT'S REALLY DIFFERENT ON THE SITE AND IS IN THE ZONING COMMISSION. WE'VE GONE THROUGH THOSE SCENARIOS AND TESTING THE BROADER BILL THAT VISION TO ENSURE THAT THE PARKING IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE.

>> SO WITH THE 87 ROOMS ÃÃ WHAT WOULD THAT REQUIRE COMPARED TO THE 1200?

IS THAT MORE PARKING THEN? >> THAT'S ALL WITHIN THE INCREMENTAL INCREASE.

YES. SO ÃÃTHE 1200 ÃÃTHE 1200 IS WHAT WOULD BUILD OUT.

THE BULK OF THAT IS THE PROPOSED THAT FOR THE SPORTS CLUB AND THEN THE IDEA IS THAT WE ARE REPLACING BASICALLY THE EXISTING SURFACE PARKING AMONG PONTEVEDRA AND THAT'S THE

SURFACE PARKING HERE. >> WILL THE EXISTING PARKING ALONG PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD STAY

AS EXISTING SURFACE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS? >> IT WOULD PROBABLY BE UPDATED TO MODERNIZE IT. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THE CENTER AREA RIGHT NOW ÃÃTHERE IS SORT OF A SWOOP PARKING. SO THAT WOULD GO AWAY. THAT PARKING IS ACCOMMODATED FOR AND THE TWO DECK STRUCTURES. SO ÃÃFROM A HAVING LOOKED AT

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PARKING IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE FOR THE MONTHS PROPOSED. >> I'M SORRY.

I KIND OF MISSED SOMETHING THERE. WERE WE TALKING ABOUT THE THREE

DOMES SOUTH OF THE IN? >> WE WERE NOT THAT FAR. >> NO ÃÃDOSES POINTING OUT PUTTING OUT THESE ROOM BUILDINGS LOOKING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING BUILDINGS IN THE

PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD. >> THANK YOU.

>> EXCUSE ME. IF THEY REBUILD THOSE THREE PROPERTIES ÃÃWHICH ARE AT THE SOUTHERN AND OF THIS THING, THEY WOULD PUT THE SUB PARKING THERE?

>> YES. WELL ÃÃELLEN HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE RENTAL PROPERTIES. ONLY THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE MODIFIED ON THEM TO MAKE ROOMS. SO ÃÃI WOULD THINK THAT THE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY ÃÃTHEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE

PRETTY MUCH ANY PARKING THEY WOULD HAVE AT THOSE LOCATIONS. >> JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ÃÃMADAM CHAIR Ã ÃTHE EXISTING BUILDINGS BEFORE THEY ARE ABLE TO BE REDEVELOPED WILL BE USED ONLY IN RELATED ROOMS. SO THEY ARE ABLE TO BE REDEVELOPED UNDER THE PLAN AND UNDER THE PUD THAT WE ARE PRESENTING?

AND THEY COULD HAVE FIVE FOOT FIVE YARD SETBACKS. MINIMUM.>> OKAY SO ÃÃWHAT

ITEM ARE WE ON? >> WE ARE ON WAIVER NUMBER 23. >> OKAY.

>> THE 23RD WOULD BE INCLUDING THE THREE PROPERTIES SOUTH OF THE END?

IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. 23 INCLUDES BOTH PROPERTIES COMBINED. IT APPLIES TO BOTH THE PDI SEE PROPERTY AND THE LARGE

PROPERTY. >> AND IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE THREE LOTS.

THOSE ARE THE THREE RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT RRSP? SO THEY CANNOT BE DEVELOPED AS RESORT PROPERTIES WITH MORE HOTEL ROOMS WITHOUT A COMPETENT AMOUNT IN IT?

>> CORRECT. >> IS ONE UNDERSTAND THAT. >> A COMPETENCY PLAN AMENDMENT,

WHICH MEANS THAT COMES BACK INTO THE COUNTY? >> YOU WOULD SEE THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON WAIVER 23?

>> OKAY ÃJUST GOING ON TO WAIVER 24, WHICH IS BUILDING HEIGHT AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT. SO ÃÃWE HAVE JUST INCORPORATED OUR PRESENTATION ON WAIVER NUMBER ONE. FOR WAIVER NUMBER 24. UNLESS YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL

QUESTION ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

JOHN? >> I KIND OF A QUESTION AND I WANT THIS THE RIGHT PLACE TO ASK. HEAVEN FORBID THE HISTORIC BUILDING GETS DESTROYED ÃÃ FIRE, HURRICANE, WHATEVER. BASED ON THIS PUD, WAS ALLOWED TO BE BUILT BACK THERE?

>> SO WE LOOK AT THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WE DID AGREE TO CHANGE ON THE FLOOR AT PDR ÃÃIT CAN BE BUILT BACK TO 54 FEET. AS MEASURE IN THE PUD.

>> SO THE ENTIRE BUILDING INCLUDING THE AREA WHERE THE COMPASS ROOMS COULD ALL BE

BUILT UP TO THE ELEVATION? >> ACCORDING TO THE MAT CHANGE THAT WE AGREED TO MAKE AT PBA

RC ÃÃYES. >> OKAY. >> UNLESS SOMEBODY ON THE COMMITTEE TELLS ME DIFFERENTLY. OKAY.> BACK ON THAT. BUT ÃÃUNTIL IT IS DESTROYED BY HURRICANE FIRE OR ÃÃYOU CANNOT BE BUILT UP TO MAXIMUM HEIGHT?

>> THERE IS NO INTENTION TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE -WISE OF THAT BUILDING.

THERE ARE PLANS TO INCLUDE MORE CONFERENCE ROOM AND OTHER SPACE.

WE CAN FIGURE SOME OF THE DINING AREAS. BUT THAT'S GONNA BE AND CORRECT

ME IF I'M WRONG. ONE STORY. >> IT WOULD NOT GET CLOSE TO

IT. >> ONE OF THE BUILDING GOES WAY ÃÃTHERE IS ONE SET OF RULES.

THE BUILDING STAYS ÃÃYOU ARE KEEPING GENERALLY WITH A HEIGHT THAT IT'S AT RIGHT NOW?

>> JOHN ÃÃTHEY COULD BUY OR TWO OF THE LEGAL DEFINITION. MAKE BUILDINGS TALLER.

TO THAT MAXIMUM HEIGHT. IN ALL THOSE BUBBLES. THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE BUBBLES THAT ANYTHING WITHIN THE BUBBLE CAN BE AT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE ONE

BUILDING IN THE BUBBLE. >> OKAY. AND I'M ALRIGHT WITH THAT.

OKAY ÃÃTHANK YOU. >> OKAY SO ÃÃGOING TO WAIVER 25.

WHICH IS CHANGES TO PUD'S ABOUT PEDESTRIAN AND INTERCONNECTIVITY COULD

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LINDSAY, THE WANT TO GRAB THAT ONE? >> SURE, I DO.

IT CONNECTS WITH WAIVER 26. BUT ESSENTIALLY WITH THE PUD SECTION IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD SAY IS THAT IF YOU NEED TO SHOW WERE ALL OF YOUR ACCESS POINTS ARE GOING TO BE ON YOUR PUD. LIMITATIONS IN THE PUD AND YOU SHIP THEM AT ALL BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE KEY ELEMENTS WHEN YOU LOOK AT A REZONING THAT YOU THAT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT TO OUR LOCAL ROADWAY NETWORK. WHAT IDENTIFIED IN THIS CONSISTENT PLANT BRING TO LIFE WITH THIS IS. OUR EXISTING VEHICULAR CONNECTIONS ARE ESSENTIALLY DRIVEWAY CONNECTIONS TO THE PERSON SIMPLY LOOKING AT THE END.O WHAT PERCENT IS SINCE WE'VE IDENTIFIED HER ALL OF OUR ACCESS POINTS ARE LOCATED ÃÃ WE WILL WORK TOWARDS REDUCING THE NUMBER OF ACCESS POINTS AND THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO COME BACK BEFORE HEARING PROCESS BEFORE THE FISH WE ARE WORKING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER RATHER THAN SHIFT AND RELOCATE AND INCREASE THE NUMBER OF VEHICULAR ACCESS POINT. THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN ALSO DOES A GOOD POINT THAT KYLE MENTIONED WHERE WE CORNER IN ON THE SPORTS CLUB TO THE SURF CLUB, WHERE WE ALL ENJOY GOING DOWN TO THE BOULEVARD AND IMPROVING WITH THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE IS IF YOU ARE JUST TRAVELING ALONG THE BOULEVARD OR YOUR VISITOR OR JUST A MEMBER TO THE SITE. YES, THANK YOU. RIGHT THERE TO THE ELEMENTS WE HAVE TAKEN IN A POINT OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET THAT SHOWS VEHICULAR CONNECTIONS. AND YOUR PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS.

SO ÃÃTHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF THAT REALLY BUCKLED AND NOT COMING BACK TO HEARING FOR THIS. WILL BECAUSE WE ARE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF ACCESS POINTS THAT SHOULD IMPROVE VEHICULAR FLOW ON THE BOULEVARD AS WELL AS ENHANCE PEDESTRIAN

EXPERIENCE. >> AND WE DID AGREE. GO AHEAD.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO GO DOWN TO THE LODGE PROPERTY BECAUSE I THINK THAT PROPERTY HAS MORE VEHICULAR CONGESTION BECAUSE THE LODGE HAS AN UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE.

IT HAS THE IN AND OUT FOR THE DROP OFF ACROSS THE STREET. YOU HAVE THE CARLISLE THAT YOU HAVE IN THE ENTRANCE FOR THE GYM PARKING LOT. THEN YOU HAVE THE NEW RESTAURANT HAS ANOTHER CIRCULAR DRIVE. AND ALL OF THEM OCCUR IN A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF SPACE. I HAPPEN THE BIKE THERE FREQUENTLY.

AND SO ÃÃI WAS WONDERING IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO TRY TO MAKE THAT LESS DANGEROUS. PLUS THE PEOPLE ARE WALKING ACROSS.

>> I WILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THAT. SO THANKS KELLY.

ME GREG DAVIS [INDISCERNIBLE] THE PARKING LOT JUST TO THE SOUTH IN THE CENTER IS OWNED BY THE MARRIOTT. AND OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY.

WE ENJOYED OUR ACCESS EASEMENT FROM THEM.ND THEREFORE, THE PARKING AREA THAT IS ON THE SCREEN? YES. THANK GOD.

WE CAN CIRCLE THAT. THIS PARKING AREA CAME OUT NEW BECAUSE IT IS NOT ONLY OUR ACCESS POINT IN THE MARRIOTT ACCESS POINT AS WELL. AS WE MENTIONED ÃÃA COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES, THE LODGE ITSELF IN THE OCEAN THE BUILDING IS NOT MOVING OR BEING RENOVATED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM AT THIS POINT. SO THIS ACCESS POINT WILL NOT CHANGE. CARLISLE OF COURSE CONTINUES TO ENJOY THEIR ACCESS POINT.O THAT WILL NOT CHANGE. SO VERY LONG STORY SHORT ÃÃI GUESS, WE CAN START WITH THIS.

IS THE ACCESS POINTS WILL REMAIN AS THEY ARE BECAUSE THEY ARE WE ARE KIND OF TIED IN AT

THIS POINT. >> YOU CAN ADD ANYMORE? >> WE CAN ADD THE MORE AT THIS

POINT.E WILL ADD MORE. >> OKAY. SO ÃÃTHAT IS WAIVER 25.

AND WAIVER 26.ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT 25 OR 26? EXPLAIN? OKAY, WE ARE WITHIN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS EXEMPT FROM WHAT WE CALL CONCURRENCY REVIEW. WE'RE RELOOK FOR CAPACITY ON THE ROADWAY. WE WILL SPEAK TO THAT AND THIS IS ALSO BUCKLED AT THAT BECAUSE WITH THE DECISION IS MADE TO EXEMPT FROM CONCURRENCY REVIEW, YOU DO HAVE TO DO SITE OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS WHERE WE COME IN FOR CONSTRUCTION PLANS. HIS SPEAKS TO THAT AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS COMPANY CARS WERE COMING IN AND OUT OF YOUR DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS? DO THE NUMBER OF CARS TRIGGER THE CODE REQUIREMENT TO PUT IN TURN LANES AND ITS AUXILIARY LANES? OVERALL IS THAT COMPRESSED PEDESTRIAN EXPENSE THAT WE WANT TO ENJOY. WE ARE SLOWING DOWN TRAFFIC INTENTIONALLY.

WE DO NOT WANT TO WIDEN INTO THAT. SO ÃÃTHIS IS THE WAIVER TO ALLOW FOR THAT CHARACTER THAT WE EXPERIENCED ON BOTH CAMPUSES TO STAY COMPRESSED RATHER THAN

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SIMPLY PUT ÃÃIT ALLOWS US TO RECOGNIZE OUR CHARACTER WITHIN THE BOULEVARD AND TO NOT HAVE AUXILIARY LANES WHERE THEY ARE NOT NEEDED AND OTHERWISE, INTERRUPT THE EXPERIENCE WE

ENJOY. >> MY ONLY CONCERN AGAIN IS THE LODGE BECAUSE THE LODGE DOES NOT HAVE THAT 15 MILE-PER-HOUR SPEED WERE PEOPLE OF ZOOMED OVER ON CORONA AND ARE MAKING THE RIGHT HAND TURN GETTING READY TO GO DOWN. EVITA BOULEVARD.

ANYTHING YOU COULD DO TO MAKE THE AREA SAFE WOULD BE A PLUS. >>

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> YOU CAN TALK ABOUT GARAGE PARKING, BUT NOT ABOUT

MEMBERSHIP. >> BECAUSE MEMBERSHIPS INDICATE HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS YOU

NEED. >> IF THE END CONTINUES TO INCREASE THEIR MEMBERSHIPS, THAT MEANS THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO GIVE FOR EVERY MEMBERSHIP, THERE YOU HAVE TWO CARS OR MAYBE 1 AND A HALF. SO THAT IS THE WHOLE THING THAT CAN BE DRIVING THIS.

THEY HAVE PARKING SPACES THAT CAN HOLD 500 FEET. LET'S SAY AT THE LOT.

A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT. THEN THEY CAN COME UP BY 500 MEMBERS.

BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THE LODGE CAN AND THE PARKING FOR THE HOTEL GUESTS UNDER THE BEAM.

SO ÃÃBOTH OF THESE ÃÃBOTH OF THESE HOMES ARE GOING TO BE ABOUT HOW MUCH KATE PROPERTY ONE STUDENT INCREASES THE MEMBERSHIP AND THEIR RIGHT WILL HAVE TO INCREASE THE PARKING

SPACE AND MEMBERS. >> I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO BROADEN YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF PARKING BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE MEMBERS, BUT THEY HAVE HOTEL GUESTS.

THEY HAVE PEOPLE COMING FROM CONFERENCE YOU MIGHT NOT BE STAYING TONIGHT.

THEY HAVE THEIR EMPLOYEES. SO ÃÃJUST NOTE. EVEN IF THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS Ã ÃAND WOULD NOT ALLOW YOU TO SOLVE THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION WHICH I THINK YOU'RE BEING ASKED.HAT IS THE PROPOSED GROWTH IN PARKING SPACE MEAN OVER THE NEXT 10

YEARS? >> I COULD GO TO EMMA SMALLS FOR THE ANSWERS AND ASK HER FOR THE MEMBERSHIP. PER YEAR. I CAN ASK HER FOR THE NUMBER OF WORKERS ÃÃAND ALSO FOR THE LODGE. I CAN ASK HER FOR THE GUESTS.

MEAN IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. >> BUT IT'S NOT ÃÃ

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> WE HAVE GUESSTIMATE MEMBERS. THIS CAN ALL ADD UP.

>> YOU FUNCTIONS AND WEDDINGS AND [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> IT'S REALLY [INDISCERNIBLE] >> IT IS A LOT.

>> YOU CAN PLAY THAT INTO IT. [INDISCERNIBLE] IF WE ALLOW THEM TO BUILD 1000 PARKING LOTS JUST LIKE THE HIGHWAY ÃÃIF YOU BUILD A SIX LANE HIGHWAY, URINE OF TRAFFIC SO MANY MONTHS THAT ARE GONNA FILL UP [INDISCERNIBLE] IF YOU GIVE THEM UNLIMITED PARKING SPOTS ÃÃ

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU. >> SORRY, SORRY, SORRY.

>> MADAME, FOR THE RECORD, I'M GONNA SAY IT AGAIN.ARKING IS BASED ON THE USE AND SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDINGS. NOT ON MEMBERSHIP. SO ÃÃAND PLEASE LET ME FINISH BECAUSE OF ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN RAISING.

SO ÃÃMR. RICE 30 TOLD YOU THE EXISTING PARKING COUNT AND THE PROPOSED PARKING COUNT, THOSE PARKING COUNTS ARE BASED ON THEIR ULTIMATE BUILDOUT OF BOTH PROPERTIES.

I WILL ALSO NOTE FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE I WAS JUST REMINDED THAT THERE ARE ALSO PARKING LOTS MEANING OUTSIDE THE PUD ON PROPERTY OWNED BY A PONTEVEDRA CORPORATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF A 1A THAT IS USED FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING. AND ALSO THERE ARE ÃÃTHERE IS SOME PARKING IS AVAILABLE AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DURING TEST ASSUMING THE NONSCHOOL YEAR. SO GATE IS ACCOMMODATING GUESTS.

MEMBERS, AND EMPLOYEES AND AGAIN ÃÃHAS TO COMPLY WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND YOUR COUNTY STAFF IS VERY USED TO CALCULATING HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED BY

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THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO æ >> SO WHY DID ÃÃOVER THE LAST TWO YEARS ÃÃAND I AM PERSONALLY AFFECTED BY THIS PARKING SITUATION ON THE WEEKENDS AT THE END. WHY DID WE HAVE TO GO TO THE SCHOOLS FOR PART DURING SUMMER WEEKENDS? AND WHY ARE WE NOT LOOKING AT PARKING OVER AT THE AREA BEHIND THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE CARWASH? WHAT HAS HAPPENED?

>> THERE IS NO PARKING THAT IS BEING PROPOSED BEHIND THE NEW CARWASH THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ON THE WEST SIDE OF A 1A. THE ONLY PARKING THAT WILL BE THERE FOR THE TENNIS COURTS THAT ARE THERE THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE PONTEVEDRA ARCHITECTURE REVIEW COMMITTEE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT, THERE ARE TIMES LIKE THE OTHER SHOPPING CENTER CHRISTMAS TIME WERE AS OVERFLOW TRAFFIC. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CALCULATIONS ON PARKING DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT CHRISTMAS TIME AND HOLIDAY SHOPPING. I'M JUST USING AN EXAMPLE AND COMPARISON. FOURTH OF JULY WEEKEND OBVIOUSLY ÃÃA LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO THE BEACH. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO PROVIDE PARKING FOR THE ONE TIME OR TWO TIMES A YEAR THAT YOU HAVE OVERFLOW.

>> YES. SO ÃÃI WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT IF WE CAN ÃÃTHROUGH THE LEGAL TEAM AND THE COUNTY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS. [LAUGHTER] I WOULD LIKE TO THEN GET YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR YOUR GARAGE PARKING AND OUT ALSO LIKE TO SEE YOUR PROJECTIONS FOR HAVING MEMBERS ÃÃONCE THIS IS ALL DONE, YOU CAN INCREASE TO THE

NUMBER OF MEMBERSHIPS THAT YOU CAN INCREASE. >> IN HIM AGAIN, AND ESTATE FROM HER RECORD, ON THE STANDARD, ON THE PUD ZONING APPLICATION, THE PROPRIETARY INFORMATION YOU ARE REQUESTING IS NOT REQUIRED. IT IN FACT, TO CALCULATE PARKING, THE INFORMATION IS NOT REQUIRED. IT'S ONLY REQUIRED.

THE ONLY INFORMATION REQUIRED TO CALCULATE PARKING IS USED IN SQUARE FOOTAGE.

SO THOSE ÃÃRICH. >> I'M NOT SAYING I ÃÃYOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REQUIRED.

I UNDERSTAND. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. YES.

>> SO RICH, YOU ASKED THE QUESTION NOW SEVERAL TIMES. YES.

BUT YOU BLEW ME OFF. >> THEY'VE GIVEN YOU AN ANSWER TO THAT.

THEY ARE DOING WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY REGULATIONS AND THE ANSWERS YOU ARE NOT GOING

TO GET THE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING. >> CHRIS D, IS THAT THE LEGAL?

>> YES, THIS IS THE THIRD TIME WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION. >> YES, I HAVE EACH TIME SPOKEN

UP. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND.> THAT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE

CODE. >> SO YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT I CAN

GET A HOLD OF? >> NO. >> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY'VE NOT MADE THAT MEMBERSHIP INFORMATION PUBLIC.> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

>> ARE WE? >> I'VE ÃÃWE'VE ADDRESSED A CALCULATED MINIMUM PARKING.

BUT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE MORE PARKING THE MINIMUM PARKING? CORRECT?

>> YES SIR. >> LEFT ÃÃTHE MORE PARKING YOU HAVE, THE MORE COST YOU

HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT PARKING. >> THAT IS CORRECT. BUT IT'S ALSO A BALANCE TO YOUR POINT AND FOR MEMBERS. THEY'VE GOT MEMBERS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO LISTEN TO

REGARDING PARKING AS WELL. >> YES. >> A MINIMUM PARKING WILL BE

PROVIDED BY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> OF THE MINIMUM NUMBER IS NOT

THE FINAL SET NUMBER. IT'S THE MINIMUM? >> THE MAXIMUM NUMBER IS SET BY

THE USAGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND COST OF PARKING GARAGES? >> I THINK SIR, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE MINIMUM ÃÃSO SOME JURISDICTIONS HAVE MAXIMUM PARKING.

THEY DO NOT WANT TO BUILD THE PARKING SET BY THE JURISDICTION.

OTHERS HAD MINIMAL.N THIS CASE, THERE'S A MINIMUM PARKING REQUIRED FOR THE USES ÃÃTHERE IS ALWAYS A BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT IS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT AND WHAT IS MARKET DRIVEN? SO IN THIS CASE, A RESORT ÃÃ PUTTING BUSINESS OUT ÃTESTING AND PROVIDE PARKING FOR THE TWO BUSINESSES JOINED WELL. ANY RETAIL STORE WOULD SAY THAT TOO.

HAVING WORKED WITH ANY NUMBER OF RESORTS ÃÃCLIENTS OVER THE YEARS.

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THE WAY THAT THIS MASTER PLAN THINKS ABOUT THE FUTURE AND WHAT THOSE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE SO THAT IT DOES NOT END UP BEING A SOLUTION ÃÃ THAT'S DRIVEN BY PARKING AND THAT CHANGES THE EXPERIENCE OF THE MEMBER AND GUESTS OF THE COMMUNITY.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO SET OUT A CONCEPTUAL VISION THAT ANTICIPATES THE PARKING OVERVIEW, ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND THE LEGAL STANDPOINT. AND THE QUALITY OF THE PLACE.

SO æ >> JUST THE KIND OF DESIGN. SINCE 95 PERCENT OF THE TIME, EVERYBODY'S HAPPY AND HAS A PARKING SPACE. AND THEN PUT THE JULY, MAYBE LABOR DAY THERE ARE A FEW THAT WALK THE PARK OFF CAMPUS. IS THAT A FAIR ANALYSIS?

>> IT'S A VERY FAIR ANALYSIS. WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IS BUILD THE PARKING FOR BLACK FRIDAY AND SHOPPING. AND YOU'RE STUCK WITH A LOT OF PARKING THAT AT THE MOST OF THE TIME. TWO ÃÃI THINK WHAT: ALLUDED TO IS THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE OF THIS PUD THAT ACCOMMODATES THAT FIVE PERCENT.

>> YES. YES. THE MAXIMUM BILLED FOR.LMOST

HAPPY MOST OF THE TIME. GOT IT, THANK YOU. >> YES.> SO PLAYOFF THAT.

EMPLOYEE PARKING WE WILL NEVER SEE THEM PARKING OVER BY THE GATE GAS STATION? AND CARWASH? AS FAR AS FOR AN EMPLOYEE PARKING?

>> THERE WILL BE EMPLOYEES FROM THE GATE CARWASH AND CONVENIENCE STORE AT PARK PARKING LOT. USING THE APPROVED TENNIS FACILITY THAT WILL PARK IN THE

PARKING LOT. >> RIGHT. AND WHAT ABOUT THE ÃÃ WHATEVER. 750 PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE NOW PARKING ON THE WEEKENDS OVER AT

PALM VALLEY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? >> WHERE WILL THOSE PEOPLE GO? >> NOT AWARE OF THAT.

SO I CANNOT SPEAK ABOUT IT. >> YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

THAT'S PART OF YOUR PARKING. THAT'S PART OF YOUR ÃÃIT'S EMPLOYEE.

IT'S EMPLOYEE PARKING THAT YOU HAD TO MOVE OFF-SITE AND THE WORD IS AFTER IT MOVES FROM THE

SCHOOL ÃÃIT WILL MOVE TO THE AREA BEHIND THE GATE CARWASH. >> HERE'S MICHAEL GORDON.

>> MICHAEL, ALL RIGHT!> GOOD AFTERNOON.'M MICHAEL GORDON. GENERAL MANAGER AT THE PELLA

VITA. I'LL INTO YOUR QUESTION. >> YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT HOW MANY

PEOPLE ARE PARKING AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? >> RIGHT.

>> UP TO 250 PER DAY DURING THE SUMMER. ON FRIDAY, SATURDAYS, AND SUNDAYS. AND OBVIOUSLY AS BUSINESS SLOWS DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

LESS PEOPLE ARE PARKING. THERE. >> YES.

>> I FORESEE THAT WE WILL PROBABLY USE THAT PARKING UP UNTIL CHRISTMAS TIME AND THEN

PICK IT UP AGAIN WHEN SPRING BREAK HITS. >> OKAY.

IS THERE ANY PLANS TO MOVE THAT THEN TO BE ÃTHIS YEAR BIG PROPERTY BEHIND THE CARWASH?

>> ELLEN ENTERED THAT QUESTION AND THE ANSWER IS NO. THE ONLY STEP NUMBERS THAT WERE

PARKED THERE ARE THE ONES THAT WORK IN TENNIS. >> I'M SORRY ÃÃWHAT?

>> WORK IN THE TENNIS COURTS? >> STAFF MEMBERS THAT WORK IN TENNIS.

>> OTHERS WOULD CONTINUE TO PARK OVER AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

OR ON CAMPUS AT PONTEVEDRA. >> MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT PARK AT PPP OUR EMPLOYEES.

STAFF, CORRECT? >> IN THE SHUTTLE BACK AND FORTH.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU MICHAEL.

>> SO ELLEN, WHICH WAIVER ARE WE CURRENTLY ON? >> WE ARE NOW GOING TO WAIVER 27.HICH TALKS ABOUT PARKING, STALL DEBTS. SO WE'RE GOING BACK TO MR. DAVIS. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THE SAME THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT

EARLIER. >> AND TAUGHT HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN IF YOU'D LIKE.

IF THIS IS THE WAIVER WE SPOKE ABOUT WITH NINE BY 18 AND 212 FOOT LANES AND 90 DEGREE PARKING. MR. ELLISON, UNITED TALK A LOT ABOUT IT.

OKAY? THERE'S NO ONE ELSE? >> ANYBODY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO TREES.

DON'T GO AWAY BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED YOU FOR OTHER WAIVERS.

SO ÃJUST 28 IS USING PALM TREES AS CANOPY TREES. OKAY.

>> 28 AND 29 PAIRED TOGETHER. O ÃÃNUMBER 28, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD GIVE US THIS OF NO MORE THAN PERCENT OF YOUR LANDSCAPING MATERIAL CAN BE PALM TREES.

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THE DEBT IS PAIRED WITH KIND OF A THAT SAYS WE CLUSTER PALM TREES AND THREE OR MORE DUSTERS THAT WILL CREATE CANOPY TREE WERE WE GET THAT RELIEF WITHIN OUR PARKING LOTS AND ALONG THE EDGES. SO ÃÃTHERE ARE CERTAIN GUIDELINES OF WHERE WE CAN HAVE TO HAVE THAT CANOPY STANDARD. AND THEN FROM A NON-TRADITIONAL TREES SUCH AS OAKTREE THAT YOU

WOULD HAVE AROUND DIFFERENT SPECIES AND TYPES. >> OKAY.

>> I'M VERY SORRY. I'M GONNA GO BACK TO PARKING FOR ONE SECOND.

>> [LAUGHTER] I APOLOGIZE.

>> SO ÃJUST AS QUICKLY. CALLS FOR 90 DEGREES PARKING IN THE PARKING GARAGE 90 DEGREES OR STALL. HAS THERE BEEN ANY ANALYSIS TO A DIAGONAL OR ANGLE PARKING

VERSUS 90 DEGREE PARKING? >> I'M HAPPY TO TELL YOU THAT. PI CAN ENTER THAT.

>> SO NUMBER ONE TO ADDRESS THAT SIZE OF THE STALL ÃÃNINE BY 18.

IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THAT IS DRIVEN BY CONSERVATIVE ABILITY. SO ÃÃTYPICAL PARKING DECK IS STRUCTURED IT'S 30 FEET ON CENTER. AND SO TEST A SHIFT TO ACCOMMODATE THE WIDTH OF THE COMMON PARKING DECK. SO YOU CANNOT HAVE 10 FEET PARKING STALLS ON THE DECK. OR ELSE YOU GET A REALLY GOOD INHIBITION.

PARKING STRUCTURE THAT'S GONNA BE A LOT BIGGER. TALLER TO GET THE SAME DEAL.

SO THAT WAS A CONVERSATION EARLIER TYPICALLY IN AN EFFICIENT PARKING DECK WHICHEVER ONE WANTS IS TO BE EFFICIENT DECK. YOU HAVE THREE 95 SPACES THAT ARE WITHIN THE 27 FEET THAT'S NOT CONFLICTED BY THE STRUCTURE IN DEPTH.

SO THIS JUST ONE ITEM TO POINT OUT. REAL CONVERSATION BEFORE.

OBVIOUSLY A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE WHEN IT COMES TO SERVICE SPACE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE STRUCTURE TO DEAL WITH. SO IN EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT. WE HAVE STUDIED THE THE DECK AT THE SPORTS CLUB THIS WRECKED BY THE BUILDINGS. ANY NUMBER OF WAYS.

LOOK AT ANGLED WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT IT DRIVES DOWN THE EFFICIENCY.

SO IN ORDER TO GET THE SAME NUMBER OF CARS THAT THE STRUCTURES EITHER TO BE BIGGER OR TALLER. SO WE TRIED TO GET THE MOST EFFICIENT DECK BECAUSE WE ARE FROM THE COMMUNITY WE WANT THAT TO BE SMALL AS POSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE THE PROBLEMATIC GOALS

OF THE DEVELOPMENT. >> I AGREE. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS A MASSIVE STRUCTURE BIGGER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE. I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT AND CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUNCTIONALITY. OF THAT WITH FAMILIES AND KIDS AND BEACH HERE AND YOU EVER BEEN THERE AND WE CAN. IT'S A LOT.

SO I WILL SAY THE GROUND LEVEL THE DECK THAT WE'VE STUDIED WITH IT IS JUST ABOUT TO GET THAT VERY MUCH ÃTHIS IS VERY MUCH A PART OF THE DESIGN. MAKING IT ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE KIND FAMILIES WILL DROP OFF. SO AMPLE INFRASTRUCTURE. ON THE GROUND TO ACCOMMODATE

THAT. VERY THING YOU MENTIONED. >> OKAY ÃÃTHANK YOU.

>> GOING INTO ANGLE PARKING WOULD NOT NECESSARILY HELP HER. >> WILL NOT HELP?

>> THE ANGLE PARKING, GONNA DICTATE WHICH WAY CARS HAVE TO FLOW.

YOU THEN CAN GO TO A CERTAIN PATTERN TO MESS UP THE PARKING IF YOU DO PERPENDICULAR IT

AWAY. >> THAT'S GOOD, HE JUMPED ON. >> THANK YOU SORRY ABOUT THAT.

>> LET'S GET EMOTION. >> FIGHTERS IN THE CORRECTLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DID THE TRUCK ON THE THIRD FLOOR, WHICH IS WHAT MY COLLEAGUE TO THE RIGHT POINTED OUT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. BUT I'M BACK IN TREES. SORRY.

QUESTION FOR STAFF. I HAVE NOT EVER SEEN THIS BEFORE SUBS TREES FOR PUMPS ÃÃ

IS THIS JUST COMMON OCCURRENCE AT THE BEACH? >> IS THAT A QUESTION TO STAFF?

>> YES-MAN.> YES, IT'S NOT NONCOMMON WAIVER THAT WE FIND IN OUR PED'S.

AN ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF DOES REVIEW ON A FORMAL BASIS. AND CAN MAKE JUDGMENT CALLS AND

USE DISCRETION ON HOW MUCH THAT SHOULD LOOK. >> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> OKAY. SO ÃÃTHAT TAKES US IN UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT 27 AND 20. SORRY, 27 AND 29. 1A 29.

THIS TAKES US TO 30, WHICH IS BACK TO BRAD ABOUT PARKING AREAS.

>> 30 IS IN RELATION TO THE TERMINAL ISLANDS IN THE MATERIAL TREE ISLANDS I BELIEVE. AND WE ALSO SPOKE ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE BREAK.

AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS IF YOU LOOK AT POPULATION RELATES DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE CODE BECAUSE ALAMEDA IS BACK TO BACK AND TREE ISLANDS WERE AS THE COUNTY CODE ACCOUNT FOR 15. WE ARE KIND OF MEETING THE MIDDLE.E ARE ASKING IN THIS TO GO FROM 15 FEET AND 12 FEET. AND THIS IS BACK TO BACK. I THINK THIS IS WHERE THAT BACK-TO-BACK CAME FROM EARLIER. SORT MEASURING FROM THE BACK OF IT TO THE BACK OF THE CARD THAT

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SO THAT'S THE REQUEST FOR THIS. THIS IS A COMMON WAIVER THAT WE USE OVER THE COUNTY.

>> I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAY BACK TO BACK TO BACK.

CAN YOU DRAW A PICTURE THAT? >> ONLY TO SEE WHAT THE ITEM LOOKS LIKE.

IN PARTICULAR, SINCE ALSO CLOSE TO THE BEACH AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE LIMITED MATERIAL THAT WILL NOT SURVIVE ÃÃI ALSO KNOW THAT THE PLANT MATERIAL NEEDS MORE WARM WATER BECAUSE IT GETS SO MUCH WINDBLOWN SALT FROM THE OLD PORTION. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT YOU KNOW ÃÃYOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE THE ISLANDS A LITTLE BIT LARGER SO THAT THE TREES DO NOT DIE.

>> SO ÃÃWE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH JAY AT THE [INDISCERNIBLE] CLUB FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG. ALMOST 2 DECADES. NJ HAS GOTTEN PRETTY PROFICIENT AT PLANTING PALLETS BUT SPECIFIC TO SOUL AIR IN THE BREEZE THAT WE INCUR.

SO I THINK WE GET A PRETTY GOOD HAND ON THE EXPOSURE TO THESE PLANS ARE GONNA HAVE.

AND LET ME DRAW JUST SO YOU HAVE IT. AND FORGIVE MY DRAWING.

IF WE'VE A PARKING SPOT HERE IN A PARKING SPOT HERE IS JUST THIS WILL BE EIGHT FEET.

IF THERE IS LITERALLY CARS AND HERE AND THERE. OR THERE'S ALSO A PLAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT. AND WE'VE GOT SORRY ÃÃIT'S BUMPING HERE.

GOT PARKING SPACES. THESE ARE ALL PARKING SPACES. HEN WE SAY BACK TO BACK THIS JUST MEANS WE INCUR BACK TO THIS CURB. BACK TO THIS CURB.

IT'S A MEASUREMENT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. SO WHEN IT'S A TERMINAL LIKE THIS JUSTICE THAT IS THE 12 FOOT DIAGRAM IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE.

AND THEN HERE IS A SPACE ON THE LONG WAY. THAT WAS EIGHT-FOOT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> BUT THAT YOU'RE DOING IT THE OTHER WAY.

>> SORRY. >> SORRY. COULD WE LEAN IN A GOOD SPOT? I'M SORRY, WE ARE CONFUSED AT THE END. THAT EILEEN AT A GOOD SPOT?

>> SO THAT SURFACE PARKING THAT WILL REMAIN WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL ROOMS CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. YES-MAN. THE NEXT TO THE CONFERENCE

CENTER. >> YES-MAN. NOT IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE

CONFERENCE CENTER CURRENTLY IN THE PARKING REMAINING THERE. >> OKAY.

WHERE ELSE WOULD THERE BE. >> AND THEN THERE'S A FITNESS CENTER IN THE LODGE.

>> RIGHT BEHIND THE PARKING GARAGE? THAT LITTLE PARK BEHIND THE PARKING GARAGE?> YES, THANK YOU.> OKAY, THANKS. AND POTENTIALLY THE SPOT, BUT THE THERE'S A REVISION IN THEIR TO ALLOW FOR PARKING DECK OF WEALTH ÃÃIT'S ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE ONE STORY. IT'S ONE STORY ABOVE THE GROUND

LEVEL PARKING, CORRECT? >> IT CAN BE, YES. >> AND SO ÃÃARE ALSO REQUESTING INSTEAD OF HAVING ISLANDS EVERY EIGHT CARS 11 CARS ÃÃYES MA'AM.> SO ÃÃ NOT QUITE 50 PERCENT. MORE TO BREAK UP THE SPOTS Ã THIS BUT THAT'S WHERE THEY

WOULD BE? OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> QUESTION ON THAT? >> BELOW PARKING. 11.

IT'S INTERESTING THAT SPOT PARKING GIVES YOU THE CAPABILITY TO GO MULTILEVEL.

LIVING NEXT TO THE SPA THINK IS ONE OF THE KEY FAMILY MEMBERS LIVING ACROSS THE STREET ÃÃ THERE ARE 123 HOMES. I THINK I WONDER WHY ARE YOU NOT TARGETING THAT SPACE FOR MULTILEVEL PARKING? ARE YOU DESCRIBING PUTTING PARKING ON THE OCEAN? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?> NO. HE'S TALKING ABOUT AT THE SPOT.

>> REAR TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT. THE PUD TAX.

IT CAN ONLY BE ONE LEVEL. ON THE WEST SIDE OF BEACH BOULEVARD BECAUSE THE REASON

YOU'RE SAYING, THEIR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ACROSS. >> AND HOW DOES THAT DIFFER

FROM FROM THE PARKING DOWN THE GARAGE. >> PARKING.

>> THE PARKING DOWN AT THE LODGE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. >> THERE AGAIN ÃTHIS REGULAR TALK ABOUT WE'VE SHOWN YOU THE BUFFERING OF THE LAGOON AND THE IGUANA.

ALSO THE DISTANCE SEPARATION. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE SMALL

BUILDING ITSELF. FOR THE PARTICULAR. >> IT ALSO GOES DOWN TO THE EAST. WE TALKED ABOUT ZONING IN THE USES OF THE SPOT IT CAN BE

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USE AND ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING. >> THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS?

>> YES. >> THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING.

>> JUST FOR THEM ÃÃWE RESTRICTED TO TWO LEVELS. BUT WE AREN'T HERE TALKING ABOUT THREE-LEVEL PARKING. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY

THREE-LEVEL PARKING? THE SPOT? >> THAT IS NOT WHAT'S BEING

PROPOSED. >> OKAY.HIS IS AMAZING. THIS IS JUST SPEAKING OF EMAILS. I ÃÃI'M GOOD WITH EVERYTHING. I'M JUST REPEATING EMAILS THAT ARE COMING INTO ME THAT THAT TALK ABOUT THE PARKING IN MY CANOPY RIGHT NEXT TO THE SPA AND IT'S A PROPERTY THERE. AND AND IT JUST SEEMS UNUSUAL THAT WE WOULD PUT PARKING DOWN AT THE LODGE BACK BY PONTE VEDRA AND THE BESIEGED COMMUNITY.

WHILE PURITY HAVE SPOT BY THE SPA THAT IS ALREADY PRETTY MUCH ALL COMMERCIAL.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT THE PEOPLE WHO REMEMBER THAT THE LODGE WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING

TO WALK DOWN THERE TO GO DOWN TO THE LODGE. >> FROM THIS MALL PARKING LOT.

WHICH IS THE REASON WE ARE PROPOSING ON-SITE PARKING AT THE LODGE.

AGAIN ÃTHIS WE TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING AND CALCULATIONS. AND WE WILL SHOW YOU THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE LODGE AND THAT AREA IF WE CAN GET TO EXHIBIT D. WHICH WE ARE SLOWLY

ROLLING TOWARDS. >> I'M SORRY ÃJUST ONE QUICK QUESTION.

I APOLOGIZE. PRICH, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD.

>> GO ALAN. >> SO YOUR 313 ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT YOU MENTIONED IS

INCLUDED IN THE ONE STORY DECK AT THE SPA? >> NO.

>> NO? >> HOW MANY ÃÃYES. >> I GOT YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I MISUNDERSTOOD. >> OKAY.

SO ÃÃARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT LABOR 30? BECAUSE WE ARE TO THE LAST ONE.

WHICH IS IDENTICAL TO WAIVER NUMBER TWO. WHICH ÃIS JUST ASKING FOR THE WAIVER FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND INSTEAD OF THE PONTE VEDRA

ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS FOR. >> THANK YOU.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WAIVER 31? >> CAN YOU ACTUALLY REPEAT THAT? IT'S A WAIVER TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND.

>> SO GOING BACK IF YOU LOOK AT WAIVER NUMBER TWO JUSTICE WHICH IS TO THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DEPTH. SO ÃÃPART LIKE I STARTED OUT START TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE STARTED THIS ENDEAVOR. ONE SMALL PORTION OF THE LARGE PROPERTY IS IN THE PURVIEW OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF YOU WILL. THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IS IN THE PURVIEW OF THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS. BUT BECAUSE THE LITTLE ORP'S IS SUBJECT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ÃTHIS WE HAVE TO ASK FOR A LOT OF THE SAME KIND OF WAIVERS. SO ÃÃREALLY WAIVER NUMBER 31 IS THE SAME UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS THE REQUEST FOR UNDER NUMBER TWO AND UNDER THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING

REGULATIONS.>> IT'S REALLY ASKING TO GRANDFATHER THE EXISTING BUILDINGS IN?

>> CORRECT. SO I CAN INCORPORATE THE POWERPOINT AND THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WAIVER TWO INTO THE HEARING RECORD RIGHT NOW INTO WAIVER 31.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING ON.

OKAY. LET'S START TALKING ABOUT WAIVERS AND FINISH OUR PUD TAX AND THEN I'M TURNING IT OVER TO THE PRETTY PICTURE PEOPLE. SO THAT'S JUST GOING TO SECTION V, IS VICTORY OF THE PUD TEXT, AND I MENTIONED THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION ÃÃTHE FUTURE LAND USE MAP EXISTING SPLITS THE PONTE VEDRA IN ITSELF.

THAT COMPLEX, WHICH CONTAINS EXISTING RESORT ROOMS, BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL B AS IN BOY. AND STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE ABSORBED ROOMS IN RESIDENTIAL B AS IN BOY. SO WE'RE SAYING CONFERENCE OF PLAN POLICY A1 11 FIVE, WHICH IS QUOTED ON THE SCREEN HERE Ã ÃIT SAYS WHEN A TEST IS WHEN THE EXACT BOUNDARIES OF THE

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FOR THE PIC PROPERTY WE ARE SEEKING TO MOVE THE COMMERCIAL LAND-USE LINE TO THE WEST NOT LESS THAN 200 FEET. I BELIEVE THE STAFF AGREES WITH THAT REPORT OF THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN AND WE ARE NOT SEEKING TO CHANGE THE ANY LINES FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE LODGE PROPERTY. WE WILL MOVE TO SQUARE FOOTAGE. THE ONLY MENTIONING THIS TO YOU BECAUSE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS SECTION OF THE PUD HAS RESORT ROOMS AND RESORT SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND IN SECTION V AS AN VICTORY OF THE PUD TEXT ÃÃSTAFF REQUIRED US TO PUT IN TABLES THAT SHOW THE MAXIMUM SAR AND ISR ALLOWED IN EACH FEATURE LAND-USE RESIGNATION. BECAUSE AND BECAUSE I HIGHLIGHT THE WORD MAXIMUM ÃÃWHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN SECTION B. THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU CAN BE PERMITTED.

THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED.

SO IF YOU GO TO SESSION ART. WHICH IS THE PHASING TABLE, WHICH TELLS YOU THE NUMBER OF TOTAL IN THE SQUARE FEET AND ROOMS BEING REQUESTED IN THE PUD ÃÃIT RESULTS IN THIS TABLE. WITH EXISTING RESORT SPACE IS 390,000 SQUARE FEET.

WE ARE PROPOSING TO GO TO 681 ON THE 682,000. THE NUMBER OF GUESTROOMS TODAY IS 328. PROPOSED AT 435. WE HAVE ESTIMATED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE RESORT ROOMS. WE ARE SEEKING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.

WE ARE COMPARING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS VERSUS ACTUAL ACTUAL FOOTAGE OF BUILDINGS.

THEY EQUAL 235,000 SQUARE FEET. 435 HOTEL ROOMS AND IT EQUALS ABOUT 235,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO THAT'S AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 50,000 SQUARE FEET. PARKING GARAGE AND SURFACE PARKING EXISTING TODAY IS ABOUT 544,000 AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO GO TO 700,000.

SO TOTAL ÃÃTHERE WILL BE EXISTING TODAY IS ABOUT 1.16 OR ONE POINT ONE 7 MILLION SQUARE FEET THAT EXISTS TODAY AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO GO TO 1,667,000 IF YOU WILL.

SO THAT'S AN INCREASE OF 497,990 SQUARE FEET. NOT THE MILLION SQUARE FEET THAT IS FLOATING AROUND ON THE INTERNET. SO ÃÃWE HAVE PROVIDED THAT FOR YOU. JUST FOR THE RECORD ÃÃJUST SO YOU KNOW THE REASON WE HAD TO PUT IN THE COMPARISON AND EXHIBIT V. BUT THIS IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT ACTUALLY CALCULATED OUT IN SECTION R AND IN SECTION F OF THE PUD TEST.

AND WITH THAT, UNDER THE FRONT OVER TO BRAD BECAUSE THESE CAN WALK YOU THROUGH.

SO WE ARE GOING TO GO NOW SHIFT FROM EXHIBIT B, WHICH IS THE PUD TEXT TO EXHIBIT C, WHICH IS THE MASTER DEVELOPER AND PLAN MAPS IN AMERICA TO EXHIBIT D, WHICH IS THE ARCHITECTURE THAT.

>> HELLO SO IN REGARDS TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I THINK LINDSAY AND ELLEN SPENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO I'LL TRY TO GET IT QUICKLY THROUGH HERE TO YOU. AND ATTRIBUTE ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN STOP ALONG THE WAY.O THIS IS EXISTING CONDITIONS AND EVEN IN EXISTING CONDITIONS, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WITH ME SEVERAL TIMES THAT WE TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THERE WERE CONFUSION. THERE WAS CONFUSION. THAT IF THERE'S A GOLF COURSE OR LAGOON THE EQUALS NO DEVELOPMENT ÃÃAS BEST WE CAN WE LABEL THAT EVERYONE THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I STILL SEE SOME ERRORS IN SOME AREAS THAT I CAN EVEN MAKE MORE CLEAR. JUST TO BE ULTRA-CLEAR AND ON THE RECORD ÃÃIF IT SAYS GOLF COURSE OR IF IT SAYS LAGOON ÃÃ THE EQUALS NO DEVELOPMENT. NO DEVELOPMENT IS PLANNED AND NO DEVELOPMENT WILL OCCUR. THIS POD GROUP BINDS US TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE GOLF COURSES

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I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. >> EXCUSE ME. COULD YOU PLEASE JUST REMOVE

THAT FROM THE BODY SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION? >> I THINK IT'S REALLY CLEAR.

IT SAYS NO DEVELOPMENT. >> PARDON ME? >> I THINK IT'S CLEAR BECAUSE

IT SAYS NO DEVELOPMENT. >> RICH, LET ME SAY THIS. ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE IS TO BEAT THIS IN PERVIOUS CIRCLES RATIO. TO THE NEED TO HAVE THE GOLF COURSE AND THERE. ALTHOUGH NEVER MAKE IT. THAT'S WHY THE GOLF COURSE LINE

IS IN THERE. >> IS 990 98. THAT PLACE 10 TO 90 ACRES.

>> MOST OF THE OTHER OTHER LAND WE TALK ABOUT IS GONNA HAVE ASPHALT AND USE ON IT.

SO YOU CANNOT GET IMPERVIOUS CIRCUMSTANCE RATIO AT 75 PERCENT.

THEY SHOULD HAVE IT PLANNED. >> SO WE NEED THAT FULL MORE THAN WE NEED THE GOLF COURSE

FOR THEM? >> THEY HAVE PLENTY OF GOLF COURSE THAT THEY CAN PUT MORE

INTO GET A DIFFERENT SURFACE RATIO. >> OKAY.

>> BUT THAT MADE PEOPLE NERVOUS ABOUT PEOPLE POSSIBLY BUILDING UP THE GOLF COURSE.> ).

>> SO THEY ÃÃTHIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO THE LIMITED IT TO ITS LITTLE STRIP. THE SURFACE RATIO AND TO SATISFY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD ON THE GOLF COURSE. > MR. PAYTON STARTED THIS CONVERSATION? WE JUST SPENT $15 MILLION RENOVATING THE OCEAN COURSE IN THE LAGOON COURSE. WE JUST COMPLETED OUR INTENT IS TO KEEP INVESTING IN THIS PROJECT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THE DOCUMENTS IN THE PUBLIC RECORD IN THE MAP IN THE TEXT FORM AND CLEARLY SAID NO DEVELOPMENT. IN THE LAGOON AND ON THE GOLF

COURSE. >> CHAIRPERSON. >> I THINK WHAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY DONE IS STRONGER THAN HAVING BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THE PUD.

IT'S REALLY CLEAR. IT'S PART OF THE PUD. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT AND IF WE ARE NOT PART OF THE PUD ÃÃIT COULD BE DEVELOPED AS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THIS IS EVEN STRONGER THAN MONEY REQUESTED.

>> SO WHAT ABOUT IT AT TIMES SALE? >> NOW.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT DEVELOPMENT. >> SO THE PUD IS NOT BEEN FOR YOUR YEAR.

IN YOUR OWN AND DID NOT DEVELOPMENT. >> THAT'S TRUE.

>> IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO COMPLETE REZONING. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE IT UP FOR EVERYONE OF THESE BOARDS AGAIN. WAIVER BY WAIVER.

TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN. AND IF IS NOT FOR MR. PAYTON EARLIER, WITH NO INTENTION OF SELLING. IF FOR SOME CRAZY REASON IT HAPPENED, WE HAVE TO GIVE UP FOR EVERYTHING ABOARD. ALL OVER AGAIN. AND HE CURRENTLY STATES ON THE

MAPS AND IN THE TEXT NOT DEVELOPMENT. >> AND IF IT DID, IF IT WAS

EXCLUDED FROM THE PUD, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO THAT. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> YOU COULD DECIDE TOMORROW THAT 300,000 THERE. SO ÃÃTHIS IS STRONGER THAN ANYTHING THAT THE COMMUNITY COULD WANT. IT SAYS NO DEVELOPMENT.

>> THANK YOU FOR. >> AND IT RUNS WITH TITLE TO THE PROPERTY.

SO ÃÃI HAVE ONE QUESTION. IN OUR APPLICATION PACKAGE WHERE WE HAVE ALL OF THE SURVEYED LAND THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE PUD ÃÃYOU DO NOT HAVE THE MAP OF THAT PARCEL?

>> I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT AGAIN. WE DO NOT HAVE THE BACK OF THE PARCEL?

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE ETM DRAWINGS AND YOU HAVE ALL THE PARCELS FROM SOUTH OF PABLO.

>> SOUTH OF PABLO. >> BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE GOLF COURSE PIECE IN THE.

>> IT SHOULD BE IN THERE BECAUSE WE SUBMITTED IT. SO WE WILL DOUBLE CHECK BETWEEN NOW AND ÃÃI JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OTHERWISE IT WOULD NOT BE IN HERE.

>> ). >> A LEGAL DESCRIPTION IS ON THE BACK DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF. I BELIEVE IT'S THE SECOND PAGE. AND SO ÃÃTHAT FRONT TO THE

TITLE THE LAND AS WELL AS LEGAL DESCRIPTION IN EXHIBIT A. >> OKAY.

>> IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO READ MIND YOU. YOU WILL BE RECORDED SLIGHTLY

LARGER. >> ALL THESE REFER TO [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> OKAY. >> I AM TALKING ABOUT ÃÃYES MA'AM.

>> WE SHOULD DEFINITELY CHECK THAT OUT. WE APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. WE WANT EVERY BIT OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE THINK IS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PD TO BE RECORDED AS PART OF THE PUD. TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

WE DID NOT GET IN THE STAFF DID NOT REVIEW. SURVEY STAFF DID REVIEW AND

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SO ÃÃWE SHOULD CHECK ANYWAY. OKAY. INVESTORS SHOULD WE CONTINUE WITH THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN? LINDSAY MENTIONED THAT NOT THAT LONG AGO THAT THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS ESSENTIALLY THE BEGINNING OR FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND IT TELLS OR INFORMED STAFF AND THE APPLICANT IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THAT MATTER WHAT CAN GO ON EACH OF THESE PROPERTIES. SO AS WE CAN GO THROUGH. AND IT'S BEST FOR THE POINTER OR FOR ME TO DRAW ON THE SCREEN. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PREFERENCE?

>> HAVE NO PREFERENCE.> OKAY, GREAT. SO AS WE LOOK, YOU CAN SEE THE HOTEL CENTER TODAY. THIS IS WHERE THE AND IS LOCATED TODAY.

IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE THERE. SPORTS HOTEL AND RESORT IS WHERE WE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE NEW SPORT CLUB. ON THE SIDE OF THE BOULEVARD. SURF CLUB IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. AND THEN THE RESORT HOTEL ROOMS THAT WE HAVE SPENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT FOR THIS ENTIRE WAY OF THE BEACH.

THIS CROSSHATCH AREA HERE IS THE AREA THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT PREVIOUSLY.

WHERE THEY COULD HAVE THE SERVICE AND ALCOHOLIC SERVICE ON TO THE BEACH.

AND THEN OF COURSE THE SPOT IS ON HERE. AND THE THREE HOMES THAT WE THEN TALKED ABOUT AS WELL IS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM. YOU WILL SEE IN THE SECOND.

LET ME FLIP TO THE NEXT PAGE. AND YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF ARROWS. AND THIS WAS DONE FOR THE PURPOSE OF STAFF. BUT THESE ERRORS WERE PRESENT IN EACH OF THE DRIVEWAY LOCATIONS. WHERE A DRIVEWAY IS TODAY. AS WE TALKED ABOUT, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE THE SPORTS AREA WILL BE ÃÃTHE NUMBER OF DRIVEWAYS WILL BE DRASTICALLY REDUCED BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE THE TENNIS COURTS IN THESE AREAS.

WE CAN HAVE UP TO FOUR NEW CONNECTION POINTS AS PART OF THIS POD THAT IS NOT ON THIS MAP. HOWEVER ÃÃI BUILD OUT THAT WE WILL HAVE A REDUCTION IN THE TOTAL DRIVEWAYS FOR THE PROJECT. AS WE MOVED TO THE LODGE ÃÃ THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS MAP. I THINK WE'VE SEEN THIS A LOT.

SO WHEN WE GO TO THE PROPOSED AND ON THE PROPOSED, YOU CAN ALSO SEE ÃÃI AM SORRY.

WE GET TO THE PROPOSED. OKAY. THIS IS THE ACCESS.HIS IS THE ACCESS MAP. WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE THREE PARCELS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. SPORTS AND RESORT WOULD BE WHERE PALMER IS.

THE HOTEL AND RESORT WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE LODGE THAT WE HAVE CONTINUED WITH THAT LARGE STAYING THE SAME HEIGHT. THE SAME WIDTH. AND NOT BE REDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME. AND WE'VE ALSO SHOWN THE SPORTS CLUB OR FITNESS CLUB AS WE CALL IT DOWN HERE AT THE LODGE. ON THE SOUTH END OF THIS PROPERTY ÃÃTHERE IS A STORM WATER POND THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. MR. GREEN, I THINK IT WAS THE TWO OF US THAT TALKED ABOUT IT AND IT EXISTS TODAY. IN THAT STORMWATER POND MEETS THE CURRENT CODE AS WE LAY THEM TODAY. SO IN THE FUTURE ÃÃWE WILL COME IN WITH WHAT WE CALL INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL JUST PROVIDE SOME MEAT TO THESE BONES.

THE FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENT. IT WILL SHOW THINGS LIKE PLACEMENT BUILDING AND BUFFERS AND SETBACK AND A NUMBER OF PARKING FOR THAT SPECIFIC USE. AND IT'S CALLED INCREMENTAL BECAUSE WE WILL DO IT INCREMENTALLY. SORRY ÃÃ KNOW THAT SOUNDED SILLY.UT THAT'S LITERALLY OUT WORKS. WE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS.

ONE OF OUR PROJECTS RIGHT NOW AT DURBAN WE BEEN WORKING ON SINCE 2013.

AND WE CONTINUE TO ADD INCREMENTAL PLANS ALONG THE WAY.

ONCE WE KNOW THE USE AND IN THAT CASE, THE USER. ONCE WE KNOW THE FINAL PLAN ÃÃ WE WILL COME AND AND MEET WITH STAFF AND PRESENT YOUR PLANT THAT WE BELIEVE MEETS THE TAX.

THE POD TEXT AS WELL AS THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF. SO ÃÃI KNOW WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. SO ÃÃMAYBE YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS?

>> HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SPORTS RESORT. WE HAVEN'T REALLY FOCUSED ON THAT. THAT PARCEL FOR THE PALMER BUILDING IS.ORIGINALLY IT WAS THAT A MUCH HIGHER HEIGHT POSSIBILITY.OW ÃÃIT'S DOWN TO 35.

35. BUT WE KNOW THAT WE ARE CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL.

WHAT WILL THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE LAGOON MOST LIKELY BE SEEING AND ON THAT SITE?

>> WELL ÃTHIS WILL BE LIKELY BE ÃÃIT SAYS SPORT RESORT. BUT THIS CASE ÃÃIT WILL LIKELY BE ATTORNEY HERE. SO IT WILL BE SOME SORT OF RESORT COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE ADMINISTRATION OF SOME SORT. THAT'S WHAT THAT USE WILL AT LEAST PARTIALLY BE.F YOU'RE ASKING LIKE WHAT THE BUILDING WILL BE ÃÃI'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING OR

NOT. >> SO ÃÃIF YOU ARE LIVING ACROSS ÃTHE SHOULDER WILL ALL

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>> WELL, TO CHIME IN, AND WHAT MR. DAVIS JUST SAW.ECENTLY LABELED SPORTS CLASS RESORT IS LITERALLY SO THEY KNEW IT WOULD NOT BE A RESORT ROOM. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE ÃÃIT COULD BE RESORT SPACE. LIKE OFFICES OR ADMINISTRATION OR WHATEVER.

WHILE THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE LODGE FITNESS BUILDING IS GOING ON ÃÃWE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE MEMBERS OF THE LODGE EXPECT TO HAVE A PLACE TO WORK OUT. WHILE THEIR NEW SPORTS FACILITY IS BEING CONSTRUCTED.

SO ÃÃIT SAYS SPORTS SIBLEY BECAUSE THAT BUILDING MIGHT BE RETROFITTED TO BE A WORKOUT FACILITY IN A TIME THAT IT TAKES TO REBUILD THE LODGE FITNESS COMPLEX.

THAT IS WHY THAT MAP SAYS WHAT IT SAYS. AND ONCE THAT PERIOD IS OVER Ã

ÃWITH THE LONG TERM CONDITION? >> AGAIN, IT COULD THAT BUILDING COULD REMAIN BECAUSE THE SPORTS CONTEMPORARY WORKOUT IS GOING TO BE THE EXISTING PRICE.

THEN THAT BUILDING COULD BE CONVERTED BACK TO THE RESORT OFFICE OR WHATEVER IT IS.

OR IT CAN BE REDEVELOPED AS A RESORT RELATED USE BUT IT WILL NOT BE ROOMS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS ON THE MAP. THAT ROOMS ARE NOT PERMITTED AT THE PALMER BUILDING SITE.

>> IN YOUR PHASING ÃÃAT PHASE 5, HE WAS 25,000 SQUARE-FOOT. IS THAT WHEN I ANTICIPATED

BEING DEVELOPED AT PHASE 5? >> YES SIR. >> AT 25 YEARS FROM NOW?

>> IT CAN BE MOVED BACK, NOT PAST THE EXPIRATION DATE. THE PHASING IS JUST THERE TO ILLUSTRATE TO THE BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS NOT ALL BEING DONE AT ONE TIME.

>> YES ÃÃOKAY, THANK YOU. >> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT HEIGHT OF BUILDINGS AND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS DEPICTIONS YOU HAD EARLIER REALLY HELPFUL. BUT IN LOOKING AT THE NEXT MAP IN THE MAP PACKET, OR YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE SHADED PORTIONS. YOU HAVE THAT? YOU WANT TO PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN? IT'S NOT IN THE PRESENTATION?

>> IT'S NOT THE PRESENTATION. BUT WE COULD PUT IT ON IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.

>> SAID THE END AND CLUB FIRST. >> GIVE ME ONE MINUTE, SORRY. >> THAT'S OKAY.

I COULD TELL YOU WHY YOU LOOK FOR EXACTLY WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK.

SO ÃÃRIGHT NOW, THE OCEAN IN PATENT, AND YOU DID A NICE JOB OF SHOWING ME THAT AND WHAT IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE COMPARED TO THE CURRENT REGULATIONS OF THE LANDSCAPE GRAIN TO THE TOP 43 FEET. ON THE MAP ÃÃYOU HAVE 45 FEET ÃÃTHREE STORIES.

AND THEN NEXT TO IT ÃÃTHE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT YOU HAVE AT 45 FEET.

BUT WHAT DEFINITION ARE YOU USING ON THE MAPS FOR THAT 45 FEET?

>> FOR THE RESORT BUILDINGS NORTH OF THE OCEAN PATENT ANALYSIS ÃÃWHICH I BELIEVE

ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT. >> THE HOTEL SPACE THAT'S GOING

TO BE NEXT TO THE OCEAN IN PATENT BUILDINGS. >> SO ALL THE BUILDING HEIGHTS ÃÃFOR THE PROPOSED BLUE BUBBLES AND PROPOSED AREAS ÃÃ DEFER TO THE BUILDING HIGH DEFINITION THAT WE STARTED WITH, WHICH IS FINISHED FOR ELEVATION.

>> OKAY. >> PLUS THE BUILDING HEIGHT WHICH WOULD EQUAL THE EXTREME

TOP OF THE BUILDING. >> SO THAT'S NOT ÃÃEVEN THOUGH IT SAYS 45 HEIGHT ON HERE FOR OCEAN AND PATENT BUILDINGS ÃÃAND THEN IN PARENTHESES APPROVED 2000 1743 FEET AND THREE STORIES ÃÃTHAT DEFINITION OF 43 FEET AND THREE STORIES IS NOT THE SAME DEFINITION OF 45 FEET THAT YOU HAVE ON HERE. CORRECT?

>> I WANT FOR THE RECORD ÃÃI AM SHOWING YOU THE MAP. THESE ARE THE BEST AT HEIGHTS BASED ON OUR PRIOR APPROVALS. BY ST. JOHN'S COUNTY OR OTHERWISE.

SO WE'RE JUST NOTING THOSE BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT EARLIER THAT WAS RAISED, WE TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING THAT IS NEW AT OR BELOW THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING THINGS.

SO WE'RE JUST SHOWING YOU OKAY ÃÃTHESE ARE APPROVED. SO WE ARE KEEPING THAT ZONE AT

45 FEET LONG AND AREA. >> ARE ACTUALLY NOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ÃÃTHAT'S A DIFFERENT

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FEET DIFFERENT. >> THAT'S CORRECT. AND MR. DAVIS TALKED TO YOU THROUGH HOW THIS WOULD MEASURE AND SOME MIGHT BE A DIFFERENCE OF TWO OR THREE FEET.

OTHERS WOULD BE THE SAME. I CAN TESTIFY TO EARLIER.> MR. ROBINSON, THINK THE EASIEST WAY TO LOOK AT AND IT'S DEFINITELY DIFFICULT BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I HAD THE SIDE-BY-SIDE MEASUREMENT IN THAT FIRST SET OF SLIDES. I DID NOT WANT TO MISS THESE IDEAS EARLY. WE ARE SUBJECT TO A CODE AND A SEA LEVEL RISE AND.

>> UNDERSTAND THAT. >> AND JUST TRYING TO VISUALLY SEE THAT THAT'S AT 43 FEET FROM ESTABLISHED GRADE. WHEN YOU HAVE 45 FEET NOW. FOR THE OTHER BUILDINGS.

WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE BESIDE IT? IS THAT THE ÃÃIT'S NOT 14 FEET BECAUSE THE SURF CLUB IS AT 54. AND WE ESTABLISHED THAT THE SURF CLUB COULD BE ABOUT A LITTLE OVER A FOOT HIGHER THAN POLLUTION AND PATENT AT 54

FEET. >> SO ÃÃTHE ANSWER IS THE INTENT.

>> 05 FEET? STEP FIVE FEET? >> IT WOULD BE ABOUT FIVE FEET.

BUT OUR INTENT IS TO USE AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE. THE OCEAN AND PATENT HOUSE.

AS OUR INSPIRATION TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE NORTH. THE DELTA BETWEEN THE TWO IS A FLEXIBILITY THAT WE HAVE BUILT IN FOR WHAT IS THE UNKNOWN FOR DEP?

WE JUST DON'T KNOW. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT VISUALLY TO GET AN IDEA ÃÃ I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT BASED ON THESE CALCULATIONS IS THAT THE OCEAN IN PATENT ARE ABOUT EIGHT FEET HIGHER THAN THE 35 FEET. AND THAT THE OTHER BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BE FIVE FEET IN ADDITION TO THAT. SO THAT COULD BE A LITTLE OVER

IT COULD BE. THEY COULD BE. >> THAT'S THE KEY WORDS BECAUSE

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE STRUGGLING WITH RIGHT NOW. >> TRYING TO GET AN APPROXIMATION. SO ÃÃIF WE WERE STANDING ON THE BOULEVARD, WE COULD SEE THE OCEAN IN PATENT HOUSE. RIGHT? AND THEN WHAT'S TO BE BILLED OVER HERE? WE ARE NOT SURE. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE FIVE FEET ABOVE THAT. WHICH WOULD THEN BE 15 FEET HIGHER THAN OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS. AND THEN AT THE SURF CLUB WOULD BE 14 FEET HIGHER THAN THE OCEAN IN PATENT AND ABOUT 22 FEET HIGHER THAN OUR CURRENT REGULATION.

SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO LOOK AT IT ÃÃWHAT WOULD IT WHAT WOULD IT BE VISUALLY?

>> THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH ÃÃSO THAN THE 45 FEET GOES TO THE NORTH PROPERTY ÃÃIT TAPERS DOWN TO 35 FEET ON THE SOUTH. AS YOU SEE ON THE ZONE MAP.

AGAIN ÃJUST JUST TAKEN THE BULK OF THE HEIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT IF YOU

WILL AND THEN STEPPING IT DOWN. >> OKAY. I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO DESCRIBE IT THAT WAY FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO VISUALLY SEE THIS. AND AS MEGAN SAID ÃÃIF SOMEBODY WERE TO HAPPEN TO THE OTHER BUILDING ÃÃTHE WHOLE PROPERTY CAN BE BILLED OUT AT 54 ÃÃ54 FEET. NOW WHEN THAT SAYS 54 FEET IT SAYS OKAY.

>> IF IT'S IN BLUE FITS PROPOSED ÃÃTHIS IS FROM THE FINISH CORRELATION TO THE TOP

OF THE STRUCTURE. >> OUR CURRENT HISTORIC BUILDING IS HOW TALL?

>> WE NEED TO GO ÃÃWAY TO GO TO THE SLIDES. >> I KNOW.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> IT'S ANOTHER WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT.

IS THAT THE WOMEN TALK ABOUT STORIES.E'RE TALKING ABOUT PHENOMENAL HEIGHT RELATIVE TO THE FINISH FLOOR. IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTIBILITY.

THE OTHER ÃÃTHERE ARE PICTURES THAT ARE REQUIRED, RIGHT? THAT'S PART OF THAT ROOF. I MENTIONED THE FLAT TOWER ROOMS. IT IS NOT AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE TO BUILD TALLER FOR THE OWNER BECAUSE IF YOU DO THREE STORIES, WHICH IS JUST THE PRESIDENT THAT WAS SET AT MOTION IN PATENT ÃTHIS WE ARE TRYING TO MITIGATE THE RESILIENCY SO THAT THE FLEXIBILITY IS IN THAT RESILIENCY YOU START THE FINISH FLOOR AND IT'S BASED AS BRAD SAID IN FEDERAL STATE LOCAL.

THE CONSTRUCTIBILITY OF THE PATENT AND OCEAN HOUSE IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ENVISIONED AND WHAT THE ONLY THING YOU REALLY CAN DO MOVING NORTH IS ALONG THE ALONG THE EAST SIDE

OF THE BOULEVARD. >> SINCE YOU BROUGHT THE OCEAN IN PATENT HOUSE UP AND THEY ARE SUSTAINABLE ÃÃI WILL MAKE THE POINT THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO BE BUILT AT 43 FEET ABOVE ESTABLISHED LANDSCAPE GRADE AND THREE STORIES. AND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR NOW

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SO I UNDERSTAND IT. >> 45 FEET. IT'S THAT FLEX AND AT THE BOTTOM. THERE'S NO REAL INCENTIVE TO BUILD A FINISH THAT'S HIGHER

THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED. >> UNDERSTAND. >> THAT'S THE FLEXIBILITY OF

IT. >> NOW I SEE THAT THE END IS 54 FEET ACCORDING TO ACCORDING TO OUR CODE. TO THE 54 FEET ON YOUR MAP IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN THE 54 FEET

ON THIS PICTURE? >> THE 54 FEET AND AM STRUGGLING ÃÃAND YOU SAY NOW,

LEAVING THE PRESENTATION? >> IT ON THAT. I'M SAYING IT'S FOR YOU HAVE

THE HEIGHTS ON HERE. >> OKAY. AND YOU 54 FEET IN HERE, WHICH ALSO ON THE PICTURES 54. TRYING TO GET THE DEFINITIONS THE SAME.

ON THE MAP. EVERY DEFINITION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE TWO

REFERENCES. REFERENCES ARE DIFFERENT. >> OKAY.

>> THE PROPOSED PATCHING IS DIFFERENT ON THE PED DEFINITION.

WHICH IS FINISHED FOR ELEVATION TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING. >> CITY COULD BUILD HISTORIC

HIGHER THAN IT IS TODAY? >> IN THIS CASE, IF YOU LOOK Ã ÃWE ARE NOT SUBJECT ÃÃWE ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE VELOCITY FLOOD ZONE ON THE WEST SALARY ROAD.

>> THAT HELPS. >> SO IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUILD THAT UP IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?> EXACTLY. SO IF YOU GET TO THE SURF CLUB WHICH WE WENT TO THAT ANALOGY IN SPORTS CLUB WHICH WE WENT TO PEARLIER TODAY ÃTHERE'S THAT FINISH FLOOR BASED ON THE COUNTY CODE WAS ELEVATION 12 IN THE STARTS ELEVATION 10 1/2.

>> OKAY. >> WE ARE VERY APPROXIMATE. EVERYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD IS VERY APPROXIMATE TO THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY DEFINE BUILDING HEIGHT.

PEER VERY CLOSE. >> OKAY. LEXIS WILL REMOVE TO THE OCEANS

IS WHEN IT GETS MORE COMPLICATED FOR. >> AND THEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF SPORTSCENTER AT THE LODGE ÃÃWHICH COULD ALSO BE ON THE WEST SIDE.

AND YOU COMPARED TO THE CARLISLE BUILDING. ACTUALLY NOT ÃÃTHAT'S BESIDE IT. THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET. SO IT WILL NOT BE ANY HIGHER

THAN IS TODAY. >> THE LODGE ITSELF. >> THE ROOMS. THE OCEAN SIDE. YES ÃTHIS WE ARE COMMITTED THAT IT WILL NOT BE ANY HIGHER

THAN IS TODAY. >> OKAY. >> OKAY ÃÃI THINK I HAVE THAT STRAIGHT NOW. SORRY EVERYBODY. BY BOARD YOU.

BUT I KIND OF GOT IT STRAIGHT NOW. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> WE CAN GO THROUGH SOME ARCHITECTURE BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THESE WAIVERS WHILE WE MET LAST WEEK TO TALK ABOUT ARCHITECTURE ÃÃA LOT OF THESE WAIVERS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT'S BEING ENVISIONED I THINK IS INFORMED BY THE VISUALS.

SO ÃÃTHESE ARE SOME VIEWS OF THE OCEAN IN PATENT HOUSE, WHICH I THINK WAS RECENTLY TALKED ABOUT. WHICH REALLY SET THE PRESIDENT BOTH FROM THE SCALE STANDPOINT AND VARIATION OF THE ROOFLINES AND MATERIAL STANDPOINT FROM A DETAILED STANDPOINT TO WHAT WE ARE ENVISIONING THE RESRT ROOM HOLDINGS GOING FORWARD. TO REALLY THE INSPIRATION FOR

THE SPORTS CLUB AND THE SURF CLUB. >> I'M SORRY.

>> ANOTHER VIEW AGAIN ÃÃ KEEPING WITH THE THINK THE TERM BEFORE WAS THE CHARACTER KEEPING IN WITH THE EMOTIONAL CHARACTER THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF PONTE VEDRA AND ENHANCE AND BUILD ON THAT. SO ÃÃTHIS IS A YOU PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD LOOKING SOUTHWEST BEST ESTIMATES OF THE FEW THINGS THAT I HOPE YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING IN THE DETAIL AND THE VARIATION IN THE ROOFLINES IS JUST THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS IS VERY MUCH IN KEY WITH KEEPING IT AND ENHANCING THE IMAGE AND THE FIELD FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT OF PONTE VEDRA AND THE CLUB THE FOREGROUND ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE IS WHERE THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING DECK WOULD BE FOR THE SPORTS CLUB.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE PROGRESS ÃÃ THE INGRESS HERE AND YOU WOULD ACCESS THE PARKING SEQUENCING THAT FAC'ADE AS THEY ARE ARBITRARILY TREATED. FOR WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS THE PARKING DECK. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THOSE USES WRAPPING IN THE DECK MAKE IT FEEL LIKE BUILDING THAT DOESN'T PARKING BEHIND IT. NEXT FEW SO TEST IS TO SPIN AROUND WITH YOUR INDIVIDUAL BOULEVARD. LOOKING TO THE NORTHWEST.

SO YOU CAN SEE IF TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CREATING MORE HIERARCHY AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS ACROSS INDIVIDUAL BOULEVARD. AND THEN SEPARATING DISCONNECTIONS MORE FROM THE VEHICULAR ACCESS POINTS AND CURB CUTS.

SEQUENCING THE FOREGROUND HERE THE ARCHITECTURALLY TREATING THIS QUARTER SO THAT THERE IS A

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SO ÃÃTHOSE BUILDINGS ARE OFFSET. AGAIN ÃÃTO EXPERIENCE THAT EFFECT. WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. SO ÃÃTHERE IS BREATHING ROOM ACROSS PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. WITH BOTH OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT THEY ARE VERY MUCH INTENTIONALLY ALIGNED TO CREATE THAT HIERARCHY OF PEDESTRIAN CROSSING TO GET FROM THE PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE ACROSS THE SURF CLUB. THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE LAGOON FACING EAST.SO THE PARKING STRUCTURE THAT YOU SEE HERE AND I THINK IT WAS REQUESTED EARLIER TO POINT OUT WITH A 30 FOOT GUARDRAIL HEIGHT WOULD BE. SO THAT'S RECEIVED ACROSS THE TOP HERE. PRODUCE A VEGETATIVE KIND OF INDICATION OF WHERE THAT WOULD BE ACROSS THE TOP. SO ÃÃTHERE'S THAT GUARDRAIL. SO THAT'S THE TOP POINT WITH THE PARKING IN THE GUARDRAIL. THAT'S THEIR BOTH FROM A CODE STANDPOINT AND ALSO TO VISUALLY BLOCK ANY VIEWS OF CARS. SO BEHIND THE ENHANCED VEGETATION AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ÃÃTHERE ARE LOUVERS THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT WALL SYSTEM THAT TO BE DEFLECTING ANY SORT OF HEADLIGHTS COMING ACROSS THE LAGOON. SO ÃÃWE ARE TREATING THAT FAC'ADE VERY MUCH ARCHITECTURALLY. SO WE WOULD ALSO LIKE THAT VERY LITTLE IMPACT OF LIGHT POLLUTION FROM THE DECK OVER THE GOLF COURSE.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE PERSON DRAWING MANY TIMES.UT I ÃÃ IF WE HAD A TRUCK OR SUV ÃÃ

WOULD THEY BE ABOVE THE GUARDRAIL? >> HE WOULD NEVER PERCEIVE THAT FROM STANDING IN MOST PEOPLE'S HEIGHT OR ABOUT FIVE FEET. IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE GROUND. YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PERCEIVE THE CAR AND THE ANGLE

AT THE TOP LEVEL. JUST BECAUSE THE ANGLE. >> CALL QUALITY PRESIDENT BE IN

ORDER TO SEE?UST CURIOUS. >> PROBABLY ABOUT 40 FEET. TALL.

>> YOU HAVE TO BE PRETTY HIGH UP TO SEE THE CARS ON THE INSIDE.

IS THAT THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING? YES SO ÃÃTHE WAY THAT THIS IS A GOOD ACCURATE VIEW FROM THE GROUND LEVEL LOOKING ACROSS ÃÃ ALL THE TREATMENT ON THE FAC'AD BOTH FROM ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT AND THAT LANDSCAPE STANDPOINT AND FROM SORT OF NUMBER SYSTEM THAT WOULD GO AHEAD IS OFF TO MINIMIZE THE ANY VIEWS OF CARS WITHIN THE

DECK. >> IN THE GUARDRAIL IS THE 38 FEET?

>> YES, THE TOP OF THE GUARDRAIL. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE.

WHEN WE ARE ORIGINALLY LOOKING AT PARKING DISPOSAL OF OHIO. AND A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK AND THE NEIGHBORS SPECIFICALLY IN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAGOON GIVIN US A LOWER PARKING DECK.

IN THE ARCHITECTURE MORE INTENTIONALLY AROUND THE BUILDING.

SO ÃÃORIGINAL WAS MUCH MORE WILLING SKIP APPROACH. AND SO WE HEARD A LOT OF THE GREAT COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS IN THE SWASEY THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ON THE

SIDE OF THE BUILDING. >> YOU ANTICIPATE LEAVING THAT AS A WHOLE AND IN ITS ENTIRETY?

OR SHORTENING IT BECAUSE OF THE PARKING GARAGE? >> I AM NOT A GOLF COURSE EXPERT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'D BE ABLE INTO THAT.

>> I SEE GREEN SPACE IN THERE. SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION. >> I THINK IT'S THE INTENT AS FAR AS I'M ÃÃAS FAR AS I KNOW THIS CAN BE WHOLE. SO WHERE THE TEE BOX GETS MOVED ÃÃTHAT'S ABOVE MY PAY GRADE. > OF GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS?

HERE. >> SORRY. >> NO PROBLEM.

THE OCEAN HOUSE IN THE PATENT HOUSE WERE BOTH CONSTRUCTED OUT OF PRECAST CONCRETE.

WALLS AND FLOOR PEGS. IS THE INTENT TO DO MOST OF THE OTHER PROJECTS?

WITH THE SAME TYPE OF DESTRUCTION TECHNIQUE? >> I THINK AT THIS POINT ÃÃ YES. SO THE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE USE.

SO WHAT YOU SEE IN THE FAC'ADES HERE IS A IT HAS THE APPEARANCE OF A BRICK FAC'ADE.

IT'S CREEK PANELS THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED. SO ÃÃTO BOTH CLIENT AND KEEPING THE AESTHETIC AND I'M SPEAKING ABOUT THE ROOM BUILDING IN FUTURE REBUILDING SPECIFICALLY HERE. WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE SURF CLUB AND THE SPORTS CLUB IS HAVING A COMBINATION NOT ANTICIPATING THOSE CAN BE FULL PRECAST BEING STUCCO AND OTHER MATERIALS THAT

WOULD ADD TO THAT VARIETY THEME.IN THE AREA. >> ALL THIS IS OFFSIDE ON

PRECAST, RIGHT? >> IT'S ALL OFFSIDE PRECAST AND ON A TRUCK?

>> ON THE CYCLE, YES. >> AND ACTUALLY COMPLEMENT TO THE CONTRACTOR'S THEY DID A PHENOMENAL JOB OF THAT. YOU HAVE TO REALLY LOOK TO FIND THE JOINTS IN THE SCENES.

>> IT'S NICELY DETAILED. >> NEXT QUESTION ON THE PARKING GARAGE.N 38 FEET AND THAT'S

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THREE DECKS FOUR LEVELS KIND OF GROUND LEVEL, RIGHT? >> SO YOU'VE GOT A GROUND LEVEL AND THEN THERE'S THREE ELEVATED LEVELS. THE TOP OF THE THIRD THIRD ELEVATED LEVELS RIGHT AROUND 30 WAS MINUS ÃÃIF YOU GO BACK TO THE SIDE OF THE SPORTS FACILITY THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. THE ÃTHIS ONE OF THE WAIVERS EARLIER ON WAS TO USE CHAIN-LINK FENCE FOR THE TENNIS COURTS. AND THAT IS NOT CHAIN-LINK

FENCE. >> I THINK THIS WAS AN ARTISTIC INTERPRETATION.

>> HAVE LEARNED MANY TIMES THAT IN WHATEVER PROPOSAL I DID. WHATEVER IT SHOULD ON THE RENDERING ÃÃENDED UP HAVING TO BUILD.O ÃÃI DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE FENCE THEY ARE GONNA HAVE. SO WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE WAIVERS CORRECT IN THE DRAWINGS ARE ON. DRAWING THE IS WRONG. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> BUT IT LOOKS GOOD. THANK YOU. >> NOTE ÃÃI APPRECIATE THAT.

THIS IS A VIEW OF THE SURF CLUB. LOOKING TOWARDS THE SOUTHEAST.

WE MENTIONED A FEW TIMES MAINTAINING THE VIEW SHEDS FROM PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD TO THE WATER. AND SO ÃÃWE SEE THE RESORT POOLS HERE ARE IN THE SAME LOCATION AS A CURRENT RESORT POOL. SO THAT VIEW I KNOW IS VERY IMPORTANT PEOPLE. SO WE'VE MAINTAINED THAT VIEW SHED SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY ACROSS PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD ARE COMING FROM THE SPORTS CLUB ACROSS THE STREET ALIGNS FROM A MASSIVE ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT WITH THIS HSIAO OR THIS PORTICO.

INTO THE BUILDING. SO ÃÃTHERE SOME ARCHITECTURALLY CONNECTED ACROSS THE STREET. BUT AGAIN, HAVE THE READING ROOM FOR MESSING STANDPOINT TONIGHT. THAT SORT OF ÃÃYES.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> CURRENTLY THERE WAS A PRIVACY WALL THAT WOULD PREVENT TOM, IF YOU CAN YOU BE DRIVING UP IN THE BOULEVARD SEEN PEOPLE IN THE POOL. SOON THAT THE

PUBLIC THAT IS GOING TO BE THERE AGAIN? >> YES.

>> IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE THE RENDERING. >> HE TOOK MY QUESTION.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> A TICKER QUESTION? >> I'M SORRY.

[LAUGHTER] >> YES. YOU ARE CORRECT.

THAT'S THE INTENT. PI THINK THE GOAL OF THIS RENDERING WAS TO ALLOW YOU TO

SEE MORE LOCAL ENVIRONMENT. BUT YES. >> ALSO CODE REQUIREMENT NO

FENCE. >> YES. AND THE OTHER THING I LOOK UP AND DOWN THIS IN THE NEXT FEW WILL STEP IN THE BUILDING DOWN TO START THE SAY CAN SEE THIS TWO-STORY PORTICO AT THE NORTH END OF THE BUILDING IN THE FORGET THE NEXT VIEW.

YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE OCEANSIDE. SO AGAIN ÃÃTREATING THIS BUILDING SO THAT IT IT FEELS LIKE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN HERE IS REALLY THE INTENT FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT. AND IN CREATING THAT AMENITY THAT CAN COMPETE WITH THE GREATEST RESORTS UP AND DOWN THE FLORIDA COAST. THIS OTHER VIEW YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS IS STEPPING DOWN SO THAT THE AND RENDERED ROOF ON THE FAR LEFT IS THE ATLANTIC HOUSE. AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS MESSING HAS STEPPED DOWN AS IT GETS FURTHER SOUTH TOWARDS THE MORE INCIDENTAL SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

>> LOOKS THE FUNCTIONAL PURPOSE OF IT LOOKS LIKE ONE-STORY BUILDING.

>> SO THAT THE BALLROOM. BALLROOM USE. AND THEN YOU GOT THE ONE GETTING THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT'S STOP FOR THAT THAT BALLROOM AND OTHER USERS.

WE'VE GOT A RESTAURANT THAT'S IN THE NEW RESTAURANT WITH OUTDOOR SEATING HERE.

RIGHT SIDE. AND THEN WE HAVE SEEN THESE BEFORE.

I THINK THIS IS GOOD TO GO BACK TO JUST IN TERMS OF THE LOOK AND FEEL OF EXISTING AND PROPOSED MASSING. SO AGAIN, THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH OF PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.

AS I SAID BEFORE THE PROPOSED AND YOU CAN SEE THIS VIEW. YOU CAN SEE THE SPORTS CLUB ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE. SEE CAN KIND OF SEE THAT SOME TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP ACROSS THE STREET. THEN YOU COULD SEE THE SAME VIEW THAT WE SAW EARLIER LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE EXISTING AND. LOOKING SOUTH AND HOW THAT SPORTS CLUB MASS WOULD HELP TO REINFORCE THIS. AS OF THE PRIME SPACE THE FRONT INTO THE CLUB. BUT ALSO I REALLY NICE RELATIONSHIP WITH PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. THE NAMES THAT PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE IN THE LANDSCAPE

EDGE ALONG THE WALKWAY. >> JUST A QUICK POINT HERE. BEEN TALKED TO HAVE A LOT OF

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IT'S A MASSIVE PROJECT FOR BOTH SPORTS CLUB AND CERTAIN CLUBS TO HAVE.

I WON'T EVEN GO TO THE TRAFFIC SCENARIO DOWN PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.

BUT WHERE'S THE STAGING FOR CONSTRUCTION IN THIS PLAN? I MEAN ÃÃIT'S A VERY TIGHT AREA. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT FOR ME?

>> YES SO ÃÃTHERE'S PROBABLY MUCH MORE DETAIL IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE AREAS SOUTH ÃÃTHERE IS SOUTH BETWEEN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE SPORTS CLUB AND CAPE MIRANDA, OR THE SURFACE PARKING IS NOT. THAT'S A LOGICAL PLACE TO STAGE THE PART OF THE AREA AND STAGE FOR EITHER ONE OF THESE. BUT AGAIN ÃÃNOT ON THE CONSTRUCTION SITE.

TO THAT THE BLUR. THAT THE QUESTIONS ARE THE LOGICAL PLACE GIVEN THE OTHER

PHYSICAL PARAMETERS. >> CHIP, THEY ARE USING OTHER OFFSIDE PRECAST.

>> YES, IT MINIMIZES. >> I JUST THINK ABOUT, HOMEOWNER LOOKING THROUGH THIS CONSTRUCTION PROCESS USING PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD ÃÃYOU NOTED? I DON'T THINK NEEDS TO BE SAID ÃÃBUT JUST AS MUCH SAFETY AS POSSIBLE.

I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A VERY, VERY HIGH TRAFFIC LARGE CONSTRUCTION SITE MULTIPLE YEARS. WHICH COMMENTARIES TO BE PUT ON THAT.

BUT SIGNIFICANT. YES ÃJUST AS A POINT. MR. BRADEN, TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S WHY WE ARE WORKING ON FIXING THE PROJECT AND WE HAVE A UNIT, BUT? I WANT JASON TO COME UP AND TALK TO YOU BECAUSE HE'S CAN YOU MANAGE THE CONSTRUCTION.

>> WITHOUT LIKE TO DO IS JUST TAKE A BREAK FROM THIS PART OF THE PRESENTATION TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT TO OCCUR. BECAUSE PUBLIC HAS BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME.

[APPLAUSE] AND THEN WE CAN GET BACK TO THE PRESENTATION? DOES ANYONE NEED A BREAK? NO? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY SO ÃÃDO WE HAVE A PRESENTER I WANT TO MAKE

PRESENTATIONS? >> SO PEOPLE WILL WANT SOME EXTENDED TIME.

>> THIS WILL START THE HEAD OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOU WILL SEE LITTLE CLOCK DOWN HERE THAT SAYS THREE MINUTES. WHEN YOU START ÃÃI GET IN TROUBLE.

YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THIS BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW TO WORK THIS.

I WILL PRESS START AND STOP. WHEN YOU'RE THREE MINUTES IS UP ÃÃI MAY LOOK TO OUR CHAIRPERSON AND ASK WHERE SHE WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONTINUE WORK PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN.

AND I KNOW AT THE ARK ÃÃ ANOTHER WORKABLE THAT WERE REPRESENTED MORE THAN 20 PEOPLE. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A REQUEST TO GO OVER THE THREE MINUTES FOR ANYONE TO USE THE 10 MINUTES.UT IF YOU'RE HERE IN THE ROOM AND WHEN YOU COME UP AND YOU'D LIKE TO TALK TO US ABOUT THAT ÃÃIT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

CHRISTINE, YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? >> YESTERDAY.

THE FOLKS THAT REPRESENTED AS DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVES AT THE ARC ALSO HAVE PERMISSION FROM THOSE FOLKS THAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR LIST. TO REPRESENT THEM AT THIS BOARD

AS WELL. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO IF THEY WOULD JUST LET US KNOW WHEN THEY STAND UP ÃÃ THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED AND I CAN ADJUST THE TIMER. OKAY ÃÃIF YOU WOULD STATE ÃÃ I THINK WHAT WE DIMINISH THIS

PART OR NOT? >> YES ÃÃAND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE AT THE SECOND PODIUM. IF THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER SPEAKER SO THAT WE CAN PROCEED

QUICKLY SO WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH? >> OKAY.

AND TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? >>

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> BE READY? >> I THINK I'M READY.

>> YES. >> GOOD. >> MY NAME IS JOHN CARRILLO.

I LIVE AT 551 LAKE ROAD PONTE VEDRA BEACH. IT PAINS ME TO HEAR YOU TALKING ABOUT THE LENGTH AND THE WIDTH OF PARKING LOTS AND ALL THE NITTY-GRITTY.

IT MAKES ME THINK ÃÃYOU KIND OF MAKES ME THINK ABOUT THE DESK CHAIRS ON THE TITANIC.

YOU GETTING CONFUSED AND THERE'S ONLY ONE QUESTION YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.

IT'S THE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE PONTE VEDRA COMMUNITY ARE YOU GONNA LET IT GO AND LET THE PATENT PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE WORLD? YOU KNOW? WE WERE GREAT PLACE UP THERE. WE HAVE GREAT ZONING AND THERE'S ROOM FOR VARIANCE WHEN IT'S REQUIRED. BUT THERE IS NO HARDSHIP ON THE PATENT FAMILY NOW.

THEY JUST WANT TO INCREASE THEIR COST. GOOD FOR THEM.

BUT THERE'S NO REASON WHY THE PEOPLE OF PONTE VEDRA SHOULD SUFFER WHEN THEY WANT TO CHANGE

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THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> I DID IT IN THREE MINUTES. >> YES ÃÃYOU DID IT AND LESS.

[APPLAUSE] >> MY NAME IS J MCCARTHY. 11 PONTE VEDRA BEACH ON SAN JUAN DRIVE. ONE ÃÃI DO HAVE TO SAY THAT MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF PONTE VEDRA IS WHAT EXACTLY WITH THE PATENT GROUP AND PONTE VEDRA CLUB WANTED TO DO.

YOU CANNOT STAGNATE THERE. AND WHETHER AWAY. BUT LET ME JUST AS WE ALL KNOW THIS. BUT IN THIS ROOM KNOWS THAT THE PONTE VEDRA CLUB IS THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THE PAYTON'S HAVE BEEN TERRIFIC STEWARDS AS LONG AS THEY'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. AND THEY'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT THROUGH THEIR TIME AND THEIR COMMITMENT AND THEIR DOLLARS. THERE IS NO ABSOLUTELY NO DISPUTE.

YOU ALL HAVE HEARD THAT THIS IS A TREMENDOUS PRESENTATION. THEY COULD WORKING ON FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS. AS YOU'VE HEARD AND THEIR VARIOUS SPECIFIC SITE PLANS ELATED TO EVERY ASPECT OF T PROGRAM AND MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND YOU COULD DELVE THROUGH ALL THE REAMS OF PLANTS THAT THEY HAVE GOT.

NOT ONLY PRETTY PICTURES AND COLORED SITE PLANS.UT DETAILED SITE PLANS.

AND SO ÃÃPONTE VEDRA ZONING AND OVERLAYS YOU NOT ÃÃIS SOMEWHAT ÃÃI'VE BEEN HERE A NUMBER OF TIMES BEFORE. IT'S SOMEWHAT ANTIQUATED AND IT'S REALLY ORIENTED FOR THE MOST PART ÃÃSINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. AND VARIANCES AND OR MORE SPECIFICALLY IN THIS CASE ÃÃ THE PUD HAS REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY AND THE WAIVERS ARE NECESSARY TO BE ABLE TO FIT OUR TOWN CENTER. OUR NEW TOWN CENTER INTO THIS PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT AND OVERLY. IT'S IMPORTANT.

I'M JUST GONNA HIT A COUPLE OF POINTS. RELATED TO THE PARKING ÃÃWE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S PARKING NECESSARY. THEY DISGUISED THE PARKING AND WRAPPED COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN THE SPORTS COMPLEX AROUND THE NEW PARKING GARAGE AT THE END AND THEY HAVE DONE AT THE LODGE. IT'S DONE IN AN APARTMENT BUILDING ALL ROLLOVER THE MAIN NATION. IN MORE THAN THREE OR FOUR STORIES. THEY WRAPPED THE PARKING INSIDE THE ENVELOPE.

THIS IS A VERY STANDARD, BUT CREATIVE AND WELL DONE PROGRAM. THE MASSING OF THE BUILDINGS IS LOW SCALE. THIS IS NOT MIAMI BEACH. IT'S NOT EVEN INTENDED TO BE ANYTHING LIKE MIAMI BEACH. I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS.

LET ME ALSO SAY THAT I AM GOING OVER. BUT THIS PROGRAM REALLY.

>> MADAM CHAIR, IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU?> JUST ONE MORE SENSE.

>> IT'S REALLY NOT INTENDED FOR MOST PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM TODAY. THIS PROGRAM IS REALLY INTENDED FOR MY TWO BOYS, WHO WANTED TO SPEAK HERE AND THEY REPRESENT OVER 100 PEOPLE.

AND THEY CAME AND SPENT THE DAY HERE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK. BUT THEY ALL HAVE KIDS, THEY ALL JOBS. AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE IN MOST CASES HERE PEOPLE THAT ARE MY AGE. BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO COME HERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S A PROGRAM YOU SHOULD ADOPT AND APPROVE.

>> MADAM CHAIR? MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? I AM BILL HARRIS.

600 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. MY HALFTIME PRESIDENT OF PONTE VEDRA.

ONE HALF OF MY TIME IS DOWN HERE INTHE OTHER HALF IS IN ATLANTA WHERE I'VE BEEN FOR THE LAST 45 YEARS. BESIDES LIKE SAY COMING BACK AND FORTH.

MADAM CHAIR, I FEEL SOMEWHAT COMFORTABLE BEING HERE. I WAS A LONGTIME CHAIRMAN AND MEMBER OF THE CITY OF ATLANTA ZONING BOARD. I'VE SENT YOUR SEATS.

I FELT THE PRESSURE. I HAVE SEEN THE GOOD, THE BAD, I'VE EXPERIENCED IT AS YOU ALL HAVE. I HAVE ALSO THE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING BEEN THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. IN THE COUNTY, WHICH IS THE SANTA BELL ISLAND, FORT MYERS AREA. SO ÃÃI BRING MY COMMENTS TODAY TO YOU.

SOME LONG EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE AND TRAINING AND ALSO HAVING SAT IN YOUR SHOES ÃÃ

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BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT IN MIND MANY YEARS WITH THE ZONING BOARD IN ATLANTA ÃÃSOMETIMES WHEN I GO AROUND TOWN AND I SEE THINGS THAT WE HAD DONE ÃÃI FEEL EMBARRASSED AND I'M IMPUGNING BECAUSE I'VE MADE MISTAKES. AND I FIND THAT IN MOST CASES THOSE ARE MISTAKES NOT OF HAVING A LOUD TOO MUCH RABBIT LOUD TOO MUCH I SHOULD SAY.

BUT IN MOST CASES ÃÃI'VE ALLOWED TOO MUCH AND NOT TOO LITTLE TO OCCUR.

AND I'VE ENDED UP IMPACTING RESIDENTS. IN A NEGATIVE WAY.

AND WE AND ALL OF YOU ALL HAVE A BALANCE THAT YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN HERE.

IT'S A TOUGH BALANCE BETWEEN SO-CALLED PROGRESS AND WHAT YOUR SWORN DUTY IS AND THAT'S TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS FROM LAND-USE DECISIONS THAT AFFECTED NEGATIVELY THEIR PROPERTIES. SO ÃÃYOU HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT I HAVE EXPERIENCED WITH YOU FOR MANY YEARS. NOW I STARTED LOOKING AT THIS PROPOSAL ONLY ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO. AND BY THE WAY ÃÃI WORK FULL TIME.

LIKE SO MANY OTHERS. SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO SIT AROUND AND EXAMINE EVERYTHING.UT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS PROPOSAL HAS GOTTEN SOMEBODY FALLS.

SO MANY) AND LET ME SAY THIS. IN NO WAY DO I NOT THINK THAT THE LODGE AND THE CLUB AND THE END NEED TO BE REFURBISHMENT THAT IS GOOD AND FINE. AND I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT.

I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF DESTROYING POTENTIALLY DESTROYING THE CHARACTER OF THIS AREA AND PEOPLE RESIDENCES. YOU CAN HAVE AND I FOUND THIS THROUGH SO MANY, MANY MANY, MANY CASES. I'VE BEEN THROUGH HUNDREDS OF CASES.

MANY, MANY MANY AND BY THE WAY MADAM CHAIR ÃTHIS AMENDED DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE.

YES. SO Y'ALL ARE GOOD. I'LL TAKE THE TWO MINUTES.

THAT'S WONDERFUL. >> IT WILL BE SEVEN. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> AS I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THOUGH. YOU HAVE THIS TOUGH BALANCE.

S I LOOK AT THIS PROPOSAL ÃÃ WHAT STRIKING ME IS THAT WE ARE INTRODUCING HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT IN TWO AREAS OF OUR COAST THERE. AND IN OTHER WORDS IN NORMAL PLANNING AND ZONING PARLIAMENTS.ND I WANT YOU TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS.

AND THERE'S NO PLANNER IN THE COUNTRY THAT I KNOW OF THAT WOULD DISAGREE WITH ME.

AND THAT IS THAT YOU DO NOT INTRODUCE HIGH DENSITY HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT OUR PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

YOU ARE TAKING THESE TWO DEVELOPMENTS HERE PUTTING THEM RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF RESIDENTIAL. ALL OF OUR NORMAL PLANNING PROCEDURES AND DECISION-MAKING IS THAT YOU PUT THE HIGHER DENSITY ON THE OUTSIDE, WHERE THERE ARE ARTERIALS AND OTHER WAYS OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THOSE DENSITIES. AND THEN YOU THEN! THE TRAFFIC AS WELL. AND SO ÃÃWHAT YOU DO IS THAT YOU PUT THOSE NOTES OF HIGHER DENSITY IN ONE PLACE AND YOU MAKE A PARTICULAR POINT OF PROTECTING THE RESIDENTIAL RENT. AND ONE OF THE OTHER WAYS THAT YOU CAN PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL AROUND IS IF YOU HAVE ONE AREA THAT IS NOT ÃÃHUNDRED UNITS PER ACRE.

THE NEXT AREA IS 50 AND 25 AND DOWN TO SINGLE-FAMILY. HAVE A SYSTEM OF LAND USES THAT TEAR DOWN LIKE THIS STARTED WITH A HIGHER DENSITY DOWN CROSS.WHAT WE HAVE DONE HERE IS THAT WE'VE TAKEN A HIGH DENSITY AND WE PUT IT RIGHT SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF RESIDENTIAL. THAT IS NOT THE WAY WE DO PLANNING.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE. NOW ÃÃA COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT HIT ME. HAVE SPENT YEARS WITH FEMA BACK WHEN I WAS YOUNGER. OKAY? AND IN ALL OF THESE YEARS ÃÃ EVER SINCE I WAS WITH FEMA AND YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR IN THIS COUNTRY ÃÃWE ARE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO NOT DENSIFY THE COAST.

WE ARE TRYING TO DE-INTENSIFY THE COAST. WHAT WE ARE BEING ASKED TO DO IS INTRODUCE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND THOUSANDS OF ADDITIONAL SQUARE

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THAT'S CONTRARY TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. IN THIS COUNTRY.

NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM, THE DAMN THING IS BROKE.

ONE REASON IS BECAUSE WE CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW OR WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND THAT IS PUTTING IN ORDINARY AMOUNT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT RIGHT SMACK DAB IN THE WAY OF HURRICANES. AND BY THE WAY ÃÃI'M NOT ONE THAT SAYS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HURRICANE EVERY FIVE MINUTES. I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE. BUT I'VE SEEN HURRICANES.

AND I HAVE GONE TO HURRICANE ZONES. AFTER HURRICANES.

INCLUDING KATRINA. THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT IT'S NOT FUN.

I'VE WORKED FOR FEDERALLY DESIGNATED HURRICANES. ON AND AFTER HURRICANES HAVE OCCURRED. AND I'VE WALKED THROUGH BUILDINGS AND WALK-THROUGH PROPERTIES AND I SAID TO MYSELF WHAT THE HECK WERE THEY THINKING? BY PUTTING SOME SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT RIGHT IN THE WAY OF HARM'S WAY? SO ÃÃI COULD GO ON AND ON. I DON'T MEAN TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME.

I MENTIONED A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS. TRAFFIC.

NOT BAD HERE LIKE IT IS IN ATLANTA. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I OFTEN HAVE TOTALK ABOUT HIS CURRENT TRAFFIC AND WHAT ARE PEOPLE IN ATLANTA HAVE DONE INADVERTENTLY TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. I DON'T WANT THIS TO BECOME ANOTHER ATLANTA.

I SCREWED THAT UP. SO I DON'T WANT IT TO BE IN MY SHOES WERE WE SCREWED EVERYTHING UP THERE. WE ALL KNOW HOW BAD IT IS UP THERE.

IT'S TERRIBLE. I WANT THAT TO HAPPEN HERE LONG PONTE VEDRA.

AND I HAVE NOT SEEN A COGENT TRAFFIC STUDY DONE YET. ON THE IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. I SAW ONE SLIDE THAT THE APPLICANT PUT FORTH.

WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. AND THE CAPACITIES ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD TO AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT OUT, THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF CAPACITY AND TRANSPORTATION CAPACITY. STILL REMAINING ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.

WELL, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE STUDIES THAT VERIFY THAT. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT THERE IS MORE TO THIS THAN JUST PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. PONTE VEDRA IS JUST ONE PART OF A TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THAT IS AS WE KNOW IT GOES FROM A 1A AND GOES TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT. IN MY VIEW, ONCE BUILT OUT ON OUR ENTIRE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK ALL THE WAY FROM A 1A AND ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN PONTE VEDRA. NOTHING I HAVE SEEN AS DELINEATED OR INDICATED WERE SHOWN THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS OF THE TRAFFIC. PEOPLE ÃÃTHE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE TRYING TO GET OUT ON CORONA AND PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD AND ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL STREETS ÃÃTHEY ARE GONNA HAVE HELL TO PAY. EXCUSE MY LANGUAGE.ETTING IN AND OUT OF THEIR SUBDIVISIONS IF THIS THING COMES IN. SO I WANT TO SEE THE DATA.

I WANT TO SEE THAT TRANSIT. YOU CAN HARDLY MAKE A DECISION IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU BECAUSE THAT DIRECTLY IMPACTS LOCATIONS OF THIS WELDMENT.

THE BUILDINGS, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THAT TRAFFIC IS ONE OF MAJOR. IT'S A MAJOR, MAJOR ISSUE. NOW I'M ON A ROLL AND I'M GONNA

KEEP GOING. >> MADAM CHAIR? HE IS AT TIME COULD WE LIKE TO GIVE THEM THE EXTRA THREE MINUTES THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOARD?

>> OKAY. >> WILL BE AS BRIEF AS I AS POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> OKAY. >> ON A PERSONAL BASIS, AND I SAY PERSONAL. THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.E ARE PROPOSING A ÃÃAND I LIVE AT THE CARLISLE. THAT IS MY PONTE VEDRA HOME.

I'M IN THE CARLISLE. A PARKING DECK IS PROPOSED RIGHT NEXT TO ME.

A PARKING DECK. I LIVE IN A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.

WE DON'T EVEN DO THAT IN ATLANTA. WE HAVE SOME INTERESTING THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IN ATLANTA AND IN MOST CASES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PARKING DECKS AND MULTI

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TO THESE BUILDINGS IN MOST CASES ARE NOT SANDWICHED NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

IN THIS CASE ÃÃWHAT I AM SAYING IS A PROPOSAL THAT THERE BE A PARKING GARAGE SITUATED RIGHT NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. AND THAT RESIDENTIAL BUILDING IN THE SEPARATION FROM THE TWO OF THEM MIGHT ONLY BE 15 FEET. I CANNOT TELL BECAUSE THERE ARE BEEN SO MANY WAIVERS 31 WAIVERS. AM NOT EVEN SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE OR SQUARE FOOTAGE DISTANCE WOULD BE BETWEEN IN THE BUILDING.

ON A PARKING DECK. I'M TALKING ABOUT PARKING DECK. AND YOU KNOW ÃÃTHERE'S ALWAYS ALL THIS FLURRY LANGUAGE. I'VE SEEN A THOUSAND TIMES. ALL THE PARKING DECKS ARE GONNA LOOK GREAT. THEN WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AND THAT.

YOU KNOW WHAT? IT DOESN'T ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? IF YOU WERE IN IN YOUR RESIDENCE AND YOU ARE LOOKING OUT YOUR WINDOW, YOU LOOK AT A STONE WALL. YOU LOOK AT A WALL AND MAYBE IT MIGHT BE A PRETTY WALL.

OKAY. MAYBE SOME FLOWERS ON IT OR WHATEVER.

BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT A WALL RIGHT NEXT TO YOU. THAT'S YOUR RESIDENCE.

AND YOU'RE SITTING THERE LOOKING AT A WALL. NO THAT'S NOT THE WAY PONTE VEDRA WAS DESIGNED OR NEEDED TO BE. AND WE DON'T NEED THAT KIND OF THING HERE. WE DO NOT. THEY CAN TAKE THESE PARKING DECKS AND THEY CAN REALIGN THEM AND PUT THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND THEY NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE ASSOCIATED TRAFFIC AND DIRECT AND INDIRECT IMPACTS FOR THIS PARKING DECKS ARE GOING TO HAVE ON RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THE ME TELL YOU.

I HAVE SEEN BUSINESSES WHERE AND I WILL CONCLUDE JUST A MOMENT.

I'VE SEEN INSTANCES WHERE COMMERCIAL, HIGH INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT RATHER HAVE GONE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND YOU KNOW IT HAPPENED? BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT MYSELF. RESIDENTIAL AREAS SAY WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO THE KIND OF A THING. THEY BANNED TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY AND THEY START SELLING OUT THEIR PROPERTY. AND THEY SELL OUT SO THAT YOU HAVE ANOTHER USE AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE THEY DON'T LIKE TO PUT UP WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. AND I'VE SEEN IT WITH MY OWN TWO EYES.

I WANT THAT TO HAPPEN HERE. THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE RIGHT BACK HERE ASKING YOU ALL TO REASON ON THEIR PROPERTY AS THEY ARE LEAVING. SO ÃÃANYWAY.

HAVING SEEN AND DONE THAT ÃÃI APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU ALL DO.

I REALLY REALLY DO. HAVE A GREAT HIGH APPRECIATION FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND ALL THAT

YOU DO EVERY SINGLE DAY. >> THANK YOU ESTHER HARRIS. >> THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT. [APPLAUSE]

>> IF THE SPEAKERS WOULD LET ME KNOW IF THEY GET THREE OR 10 MINUTES ÃÃTHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL OR CHRISTINE, IF YOU COULD LET ME KNOW WHEN I PUSH THE TIME BUTTON.

THANK YOU. >> IF YOU'RE SPEAKING JUST FOR YOURSELF ÃTISSUE THREE MINUTES. YOUR SPEAKING FOR GROUP NOW? OKAY.

SORRY. >> NO ÃÃTHAT HAD TO BE TAKEN CARE OF IN ADVANCE.

THIS ONLY TWO PEOPLE AT JAMES WHITE HOUSE. >> OKAY.

>> NEXT? >> MY NAME IS JAMES STOCKTON. JAMES PONTE VEDRA NATIVE.

SOUTHERN TRANSLATION INTO JUMBO. SO ÃÃI GREW UP IN THIS COMMUNITY. I HAVE CAMPED ON SOME OF THE PLACES THAT PEOPLE ÃÃI HEARD THEM SAY THEY WERE ADDRESSED AS WELL. I LIVED AND WORKED SQUARE THIS LAST GENTLEMAN AS A GIANT BUILDING BUILT ON TOP OF IT. 'VE SEEN THE COMMUNITY GROW MANY, MANY YEARS. AND I CANNOT THINK THE PAYTON'S ENOUGH FOR WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DO TO ENHANCE AND IMPROVE THIS COMMUNITY. THEY SHOULD BE APPLAUDED ÃÃ THEY SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED AND THEY SHOULD BE SUPPORTED ÃÃ SUPPORTED.

THEY ARE DOING IS ÃÃI HEARD JADE BACARDI CENTEX THE HEARTS OF THE COMMUNITY.

IT TRULY IS THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE COMMUNITY. AND IT REALLY IS.

I REALLY BEEN IN REAL ESTATE FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND PEOPLE DESIRE TO GET CLOSE TO THE CLUB. PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE! IT GETS CLOSE TO THE CLUB. THERE ACTUALLY IS A SUBMARKET THAT EXPONENTIALLY INCREASES THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE CLUB. THIS PROPERTY AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL DO NOTHING BUT ENHANCE AND IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY. NOT ONLY DIRECTLY AROUND IT ÃÃ BUT ALSO THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT IS THE CROWN JEWEL OF PONTE VEDRA AND

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I CARE PASSIONATELY ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY. AND SO WHEN I SPEAK TO YOU ÃÃ NOT JUST SPEAKING TO YOU. JUST COME TO THE COMMUNITY AND TRY TO PULL UP THE DRAWBRIDGE AND WANT ANYBODY ELSE TO BE. 'M HERE FOR SOMEBODY THAT CARES EQUALLY.

I'VE GENERATIONAL ROOTS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I CARE ABOUT AND AGAIN ÃÃI APPLAUD THE PAYTON'S OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING. MY FATHER ALSO SUPPORTS WITH THE PAYTON'S ARE DOING.ND NEITHER ONE OF US WOULD SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE IS HARMFUL TO THIS AMAZING AND BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY THAT MY FAMILY HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN GIVING BIRTH TO OVER THE YEARS. AND SO ÃÃMAY I HAVE SOME MORE TIME?

>> OKAY. >> BACK DOWN IN MY NOTES. SO ÃÃNOT ONLY DO I SUPPORT IT, I APPLAUD IT. I THINK WE ARE SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE A FAMILY LIKE THE PAYTON'S THE ACTUALLY OWNED THIS COMMUNITY. NOT SOME OUT OF TOWN CALLED CORPORATION THAT IS RUNNING THIS COMMUNITY. SO ÃÃI THINK WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO DO AGAIN, ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT THE PAYTON'S AND THIS COMMUNITY.

RENA ÃÃJUST A SIDE NOTE. 'VE HEARD ARE DONE HURRICANE WORK FOR THE LAST DECADE.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE TO ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE TO TALK.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS JENNIFER CARVER. ELBIT 59 SAN JUAN DRIVE. MY PROPERTY BACKS RIGHT UP TO THE PROPOSED NORTH AND OF THE PUD, WHICH IS I LIVE ON THE LAGOON.

IN REGARDS TO THE NORTH END OF THE PUD ÃÃI UNDERSTAND THAT HAVE TO DO WITH PERMEABLE SURFACES.NE THING THAT I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND IS THAT WHILE EVERYTHING IS BUILT ÃÃI DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO SELL THAT OFF. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A COINCIDENCE THAT THE AREA THAT THEY CHOSE TO PUT IN THE PUD HAPPENS TO BE ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE OCEAN. THEY COULD HAVE MADE THE PUD IN THE INTERIOR PONTE VEDRA. ARE THEY HAVE THE GOLF COURSES. THERE WERE OTHER LAGOONS.

RONICALLY ÃÃTHEY CHOSE TO PUT IT RIGHT ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.

SO ÃÃIF THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF DEVELOPING IT ÃÃ THEN I WOULD SAY THAT PART OF THE PLAN SHOULD BE AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE SOLD SEPARATELY.

ANY FUTURE DATE. SO I JUST THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A COINCIDENCE.T THE AREA THAT THEY CHOSE HAPPENS TO BE IN ESSENCE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE OCEAN. IN REGARDS TO TRAFFIC, I'M SURE TO MAKE RICHARD HAPPY. MR. TALKING ABOUT THIS.O THERE ARE BASICALLY 2 AND A HALF ROUTES TO GO NORTH AND SOUTH THROUGH PONTE VEDRA. ONE IS A ONE ACT, ONE IS PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD AND AND A HALF IS SAN JUAN DRIVE. IN THE MASTER.

OKAY? RIGHT NOW ÃÃMY HOUSE LOOKS AT THE BACK LOOK AT THE BACK.

LOOK AT PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. I'VE NO OBSTRUCTION TO PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.

AS ANYONE WHO'S EVER DRIVEN THROUGH PONTE VEDRA ON A 1A KNOWS THAT IT'S A DISASTER TO DRIVE DOWN A 1A. IT'S A DISASTER. SO ÃÃWHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT I NOTICED A CONSIDERABLE UPTICK OF TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE THAT KNOW WELL ÃÃI CAN JUST GO DOWN PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD AND I CAN AVOID THE BUSES AND THE SCHOOLS AND THE BIG LONG TRAFFIC JAMS OF PEOPLE WHEREVER THEY ARE GOING TO WORK AND WHATEVER.

IT'S ALREADY HIGH DENSITY TRAFFIC ON A 25 MILE AN HOUR ROAD.

OKAY? IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN ANYMORE MEMBERSHIPS THEY ARE SELLING. IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE TRAFFIC COMES FROM. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANY AND EVERY PERSON THAT STAYS AT THE PONTE VEDRA CLUB OR THE LODGE HAS RENTED A CAR TO COME IN. IT'S THE MEMBERS THAT CREATE A

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THAT IS MY STOP SIGN. AND EVERY CAR THAT BLOWS THROUGH THAT STOP SIGN MAGICALLY HAS A PONTE VEDRA AND CLUB STICKER ON IT. SO ÃÃI WILL SAY THIS.

I DON'T BELONG TO THE PONTE VEDRA CLUB. I DO NOT THINK THAT IT IS THE FOCAL POINT.I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE FOCAL POINT OF PONTE VEDRA AND I DON'T AND PROBABLY SPEAKING FOR THE PERSON THAT DOES NOT SPEAK THERE.

MAYBE SENDING SIX FIGURES TO JOIN AND ACCESS THE BEACH THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY ACCESS FOR FREE PUBLICLY, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO THINK THAT IS THE FOCAL POINT OF PONTE VEDRA, BUT IT'S NOT. BUT I AM VERY SCARED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC BEING REROUTED ONTO SAN

JUAN DRIVE. >> YES ÃÃTIME IS UP. >> WHICH HAS NO SIDEWALKS AND HAS NO BAILOUT AND CURRENTLY IS AN OBSTACLE COURSE TO GET THROUGH BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES. BECAUSE OF MAINTENANCE VEHICLES AND

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> UNDERSTAND THAT.UT IT'S ALREADY A PROBLEM TRAFFIC IS

GOING TO BE REROUTED. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

GOODBYE. >> SERVE?F YOU COULD TALK OVER ON THAT ÃÃOKAY.

>> YOU ARE NEXT. >> I'M DAVID W JOHNSON. I LIVE AT 600 PUNTER EVITA BOULEVARD IN CARLISLE. I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE LODGE 26 YEARS.

AND I REALLY LOVE THE LODGE AND THE GYM. AND I THINK IT BE RENOVATED. SO ÃÃI AM GOING ON WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS.

I THINK SHOULD BE CHANGED AND HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY. I WANT TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PALMER VOTING. ONE OF THREE PARCELS IN THE LODGE PORTION OF THE BUILDING Ã ÃI BELIEVE THE PALMER BUILDING SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN AT ALL.F YOU SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE GOVERNED THE PONTE VEDRA OVERLY DISTRICT. THE PALMER BUILDING ORIGINALLY HOUSED THE GOLF COURSE DESIGN COMPANY WORK OUT ITS WAY. AFTER THAT ÃÃOF READY BUILDINGS ÃÃSTOCKTON REALTY AND DESIGN COMPANY AND SO FORTH.

IT'S A SEPARATE AND DISTINCT PROPERTY IN THE FOLLOWING WAYS. HUGE.

THE PALMER BUILDING (THE LARGEST HOSPITALITY BUSINESS. NEVER NEEDED A HOTEL GUEST NEVER USED IT. IT HAS BEEN IN A STRAIGHT UP BUILDING ÃÃBUT NOT A RESORT BUILDING. IF LOCATION IN THE CORNER OF PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.

IN CORONA ROAD. ACROSS THE BOULEVARD ACROSS THE HOTEL BUILDING AND BLOCK NORTH OF THE FITNESS CENTER.HE CARLISLE IN BETWEEN. A SEPARATE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

ITS ARCHITECTURE PALMER BUILDING NOT THE SAME MEDITERRANEAN DESIGN AS THE

FITNESS CENTER. >> FURTHERMORE, THE PALMER BUILDING IS ALIGNED WITH RESIDENTS UPON THE PONTE VEDRA DISTANCE BOULEVARD.HIS INDUSTRY FROM THE BOULEVARD AS THE RESIDENCE TO ITS NORTH. TO COMPLY WITH THE PONTE VEDRA DISTRICT AND THE PONTE VEDRA CORRIDOR ÃÃTHE PALMER BUILDING SHOULD MAINTAIN THE SAME HEIGHT AND SAME FOOTPRINT 30 BEEN ESTABLISHED TO THIS 32 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ALONG PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.

I HEARD THE QUESTION ASKED EARLYBIRD HOW LONG IT IS FROM RESIDENTS NORTH OF IT.

I FACED OFF THE ÃÃTO THE SOUTH EDGE OF THE NORTH EDGE. AND I CAME UP WITH 132 FEET.

SOME HE TOLD IT WAS 32 FEET PER MY CALCULATION.HE BIGGER AND TALLER BUILDING WOULD NOT BE IN HARMONY WITH THE GENERAL INTENT OF THIS COVE AND THE SPECIFIC INTENT OF THE OVERLY DISTRICT

CODE AND THE COASTAL CORRIDOR. >> CODES AND WAIVERS WOULD ALSO BE THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTR OF THIS TRONIC AREA. THIS CORNER PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD IS PARTICULARLY WELCOMING AND BUSY.VERY DAY I SEE A FLURRY OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH JOGGERS AND BIKE RIDERS WALKING AND CARRYING KIDS IN BEACH EQUIPMENT FOR THE HOMES AND BEACH IS WONDERFUL TO WATCH THE ACTIVITY. THE NEIGHBORHOODS BENEFITS FROM THIS OPENNESS AND WOULD BE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED NEWER AND BIGGER TALLER BUILDINGS WERE THERE. THERE ARE NO PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES FROM THIS CORNER TO BE [INDISCERNIBLE] PCARRYING OUT THE REGULATIONS O THIS WHAT THEY NEED. AND I THINK THAT IF SHE CONTINUES TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE THIS COMMITTEE ÃÃ ACCORDING TO THE REGULATIONS OF THE PONTE VEDRA DISTRICT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> HELLO, MY NAME IS BOB SPOONER PRODUCTION A RESIDENT

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AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR HELPING US KEEP IT THAT WAY. I THINK THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU WAS REALLY QUITE SIMPLE. WE HAVE AN INCOMPATIBLE USE WITH THE SURROUNDING TERRITORY THAT IS IN FATHER IN. AND IT WANTS TO DO SOME ENHANCEMENTS.

MIND YOU ÃÃTHEY REALLY WANT TO DO. THEY WANT TO DO A VAST INCREASE IN AN INCOMPATIBLE USE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. JUST TAKE ONE OF THEIR CHARTS.

I HAVE IT AND IT MAY BE PASSED AROUND. THEY WANT TO INCREASE THE RESORT SPACE BY 75 PERCENT. THEY WANT TO INCREASE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ROOMS BY 1/3.

THEY WANT A TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE INCREASED 42 PERCENT. THAT IS NOT ENHANCING.

THAT'S A MAJOR MAJOR EXPANSION OF INCOMPATIBLE USE. WHY WOULD YOU GRANT 31 VARIANCES? CAN THINK OF SOME POSSIBLE REASONS. HARDSHIP THEY'VE ARTIE ROLLED THAT. THEY KNOW IT'S NOT A HARDSHIP. ONE RESIDENT MIGHT LIKE AN ENHANCEMENT. BUT CLEARLY AS EVIDENCED BY THE LARGE SHOW OUTCOME OF THE BOOK BY JACK SPEECH RESIDENTS AGAINST TALL HIGH ÃÃNOBODY IS INTERESTED IN HIGHER AND MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT SITE. EXCUSE ME ÃÃTHE VAST MAJORITY.

I HEARD ONE WHO HAS INVESTED INTEREST. TWO WILL TAX REVENUE INCREASE BUT THAT MIGHT BE REASON YOU MIGHT GO FOR. WHILE ÃÃIT'S VERY UNLIKELY.

URROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE DETRIMENTALLY IMPACTED. THEN YOU HAVE TO SPEND MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, SEWAGE, WHO KNOWS WHAT FOR A MUCH BIGGER PUBLIC.

YOUR NET REVENUE WILL NOT BE GOING MUCH. THERE WILL JOBS BE CREATED FOR RESIDENTS? HIGHLY UNLIKELY. THIS IS AT THE FAR NORTHEAST END OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT GONNA TAKE $26,000 A YEAR JOBS.

THAT'S THEIR NUMBER. 1000 EMPLOYEES AND 26 MILLION REVENUES PER 26,000.

AND RESIDENTS WHO MIGHT TAKE IT LIVING IN SAINT AUGUSTINE ÃÃ THERE ARE TRAVEL TO ONE HOUR IN DENSE TRAFFIC TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER ON ROUTE ONE A. WILL THE NEIGHBORHOOD QUALITY IMPROVE? I THINK YOU HEARD ALL THE REASONS WHY THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

THE SAME WITH THE ENVIRONMENT. THE ENVIRONMENT IS MARKEDLY IMPROVED WITH DENSITY AND DEVELOPMENT ON A BEACHFRONT. IS THERE A PRECEDENT THAT'S GONNA BE ESTABLISHED? THERE ARE NO STRUCTURES AS HIGH AS THEY WANTED TO DO. AND THEY'VE TOTALLY CONFUSED YOU. THIS FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT, YOU SHOULD HAVE REQUESTED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING TO GET THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING FROM THE STREET LEVEL.

ÃÃFINALLY, THIS ONE OF THE REASON WHY YOU MIGHT APPROVE OF THIS.

IT'S A LESS SAVORY REASON.ND THAT'S THE WEALTH AND INFLUENCE OF THE GATE FAMILY.

I HOPE FOR SURE THAT THAT IS NOT A FACTOR IN YOUR DECISION. YOU SHOULD ASK FOR SEPARATE POTS FOR THE TWO PROPERTIES AND YOU SHOULD ASK THEM TO STAY WITHIN THEIR EXISTING CAPACITY.

START OVER. DO NOT HAVE A MAJOR EXPANSION IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU. 'S

>> HELLO THERE MY NAME IS GAIL COOPER. ON 11 TO 19 SAN JUAN DRIVE.

AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT PARKING. I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT I'M GOING TO BE LIVING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET OR SHOULD I SAY THE LAGOON. THE NUMBER ONE FAIRWAY TO A 300 FOOT LONG PARKING GARAGE THAT THEY SAY IS ENCASED IN A SPORTS CENTER. WELL, IT'S NOT ENCASED ON THE WESTERN SIDE BECAUSE I AM GOING TO BE VIEWING THIS FOR THE REST OF MY DAYS.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS. AND I WATCHED ALL THE CHANGES.

MOST OF THE TIME THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. BUT TO COME IN AND ACTUALLY SAY THAT THEY WANT TO PUT IN A 300 CAR GARAGE IN PARADISE. THIS IS 300 CARS.

THIS IS 300 FEET. THIS IS 38 FEET TALL. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN ÃÃOUR BUILDING CODE SAYS WE GO 35 FEET.HAT'S IT. WE HAVE NO FLAT ROOFS.HAT'S IT. AND THEY WANT TO COME AND AND PUT A OVER 300 FLAT ROOF.

NONE OF THE PRETTY TERRA-COTTA TILES. NONE OF THIS TO PRETTY PART OF IT OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL. THIS IS TOTALLY AGAINST THE HOMEOSTATIC THAT THEY'VE HAD BEFORE.HEY WANT TO BUILD ON THESE BRAND AND BEAUTIFUL

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THINK ABOUT THE STAGING YOU MADE. SOMEBODY WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE STAGING. FOR THIS CONSTRUCTION WAS GONNA BE.

CONVENE OUR BACKYARDS. THERE ARE 11 HOUSES THAT ARE TO BE ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THAT.

THAT'S GONNA VIEW AND BE WATCHING THE SCOPE FOR THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS.

I AM 72 YEARS OLD. I DO NOT WANT TO SIT THERE AND WATCH FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS CONSTRUCTION IN MY BACKYARD WHEN I LIVED AT THIS HOUSE FOR 30 YEARS.

THEY ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. THEY SAY THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO EVERYBODY. THEY REACHED OUT TO ME. I SPOKE WITH THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES. AND JOHN TOLD ME RIGHT THEN AND THERE FACE-TO-FACE GAIL, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN. WHILE ÃÃI AM CUTE. WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE. LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE. THAT DON'T WANT DISPROVED. AND I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER.

PONTE VEDRA BEACH IS A COMMUNITY. IT IS A COMMUNITY WHERE THE PBI C CLUB LIVES AND WHERE THE LODGING LIVES. WE ARE THE COMMUNITY.

WE ARE THE PEOPLE. WE ARE THE BASE FOR ALL THE TAXES.

WE PAY A LOT MORE TAXES THAN THE CLUB DOES.SO I CAN SAY ONE MORE THING.

PLEASE NO FLAT ROOFS. NO 300 FOOT LONG GARAGE. IT'S JUST WRONG.

IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR ANYBODY IN PONTE VEDRA AND WE ARE THE HEART OF PONTE VEDRA.

NOT THE CLUB. THE RESIDENTS ARE AT THE HEART OF PONTE VEDRA.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

[APPLAUSE] >> MY NAME IS [INDISCERNIBLE] I LIVE ON ONE CIRCLE. I'M SURPRISED THAT NEW TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE BEFORE SUBMITTING THIS PROJECT. WE HAVE NARROW STREETS ÃÃWE HAVE MONITORS AND BIKERS AND CHILDREN ON SCOOTERS AND BIKES. WE HAVE PROFESSIONALS THAT GO TO THE BOULEVARD THAT GO TO WORK. FOR OUR SAFETY AND EVERYDAY SAFETY ÃÃAND ALSO FOR RAPID EVACUATION IN CASE OF FIRE OR HURRICANES. WE NEED A STUDY TO BE DONE BEFORE APPROVING THIS PROJECT. MUST HAVE THE RESULT OF THIS STUDY BEFORE APPROVING ANYTHING.ND THE STUDY MUST REFLECT HOUR BY HOUR. NOT IN PERCENTAGES.

BECAUSE SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT FIVE PERCENT INCREASE. THAT IS MEANINGLESS.

PERCENTAGE IS AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 24 HOUR. WE NEED THE PEAK HOURS OF TRAFFIC. I ALSO WANT TO SAY POINT OUT THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE PAGER OR THE RENOVATION. WE ALL NEED THE RENOVATION AND WE ALL KNOW THAT MR. PAGE AND IS A BRILLIANT MAN. NOBODY QUESTIONS THAT. HE HAD THE WISDOM TO ABIDE THE CLUB 40 YEARS AGO. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT MR. PAGE IN. HE HAS A LOT OF RESPECT.

THAT'S NOT ON HIM. IT'S ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND THE PROJECT AS SIMPLY SHORTFALLS.

SPECIFICALLY DETAILS. AND ASKING OUR COMMUNITY TO BE FOUNDED FOR 30 YEARS FOR THIS INACCURATE PROJECT IS NOT WISE. THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO QUESTION FOR SIX HOURS IS A CURRENT INDICATION THAT HOW IMPERFECT THIS PROJECT. ALL THE QUESTIONS [INDISCERNIBLE] SHOULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BEFORE SUBMITTING CLEARLY IN THE PROJECT. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIRPERSON. MY NAME IS JAMES GRIBBIN.

11 600 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD UNIT 409 WHICH FACES THE LAGOON.

I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE PONTE VEDRA AND CARLISLE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.

I ONLY HAVE THREE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT. I'VE MET WITH OUR OWNERS LAST NIGHT. 20 OF THE 47 OWNERS I WOULD SAY.

AND SOME OF THEM HAVE MET WITH COLD TWO PRIVATE MEETINGS BY THE UNIT CLUB AND I'M NOT SURE

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I APPLAUD THE PATENT FOR ADDRESSING THE ISSUES AT THE LODGE FOR SURE.

IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE THE JUNE MARY NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN AND REDONE.

SO I COMPLEMENT YOU ON THAT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PALMER BUILDING IS.

YOU'VE HEARD FROM OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN OUR BUILDING. I DON'T REALLY THINK IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PUD, BUT A LOT OF THINGS THAT SEEMS TO BOTHER A LOT OF PEOPLE IS THIS GARAGE THAT CAN BE PLUGGED UP RIGHT NEXT TO THE CARLISLE. ) THE SIDEWALK WHERE YOU HAVE PONTE VEDRA BY THE SEA. IT SOUNDS LIKE A 50 FOOT GARAGE.

PLUS. I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIAL MAP BETWEEN ELEVATION AND HEIGHT IT'S ME VERY CONFUSED. BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT IF YOU ADD 10 FEET TO IT ÃÃYOU ARE TALKING 65 FEET. THAT MEANS THE WHOLE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

THAT MEANS THE WHOLE DOCTRINE IS A WHOLE GARAGE OR WALL. OR CARS JUST PART THERE.

MOVING AROUND. AND I'M NOT SURE THEY ARE GAINING MANY CAR SPACES.

THE CURRENT ÃÃTHE CURRENT GRAVEL PARKING LOT SEEMS TO BE COVERED PARKING AND A LOT OF THE TIME BECAUSE I LOOK AT IT. AS I MENTIONED THE PALMER BUILDING WAS ALREADY DRESSED.

SO I'LL SKIP THAT. AND FINALLY THIS IS MORE TOWARDS THE ATTORNEY.

THE TRIANGLE PIECE OF LAND THAT IS BEHIND THE CARLISLE HAS BEEN MAINTAINED BY THE CARLISLE FOR 28 YEARS. AND I'M TALKING MELON, PALM TREE TRIMMING, A GATE WITH A LONG, THAT WE ÃÃWE ARE THE OWNERS THAT HAVE THAT LOCK. AND WE HAVE CLEAR TITLE THAT SHOWS THAT WE OWNED THE TRIANGLE PIECE OF LID DOWN TO THE WATER'S EDGE.

WE HAVE A SURVEY THAT WAS DONE BEFORE THE GATE FAMILY OWNED BOOKS CALLED THE BATHS.

SO ÃÃI'M HAPPY TO MEET WITH THEM AND TALK. AND FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.

BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. >> INSERT ÃÃBEFORE YOU LEAVE, YOU KNOW THE HEIGHT OF CARLISLE? HE KNEW THE HEIGHT OF THE

CARLISLE'S? >> 54.5 FEET TO THE GROUND LEVEL.

AT THE. >> 4.5.

[APPLAUSE] > GOOD EVENING ALL. MY NAME IS ROBERT MCPHAIL.

I LIVE AT EIGHT TARPON ROAD EAST AND PART OF THE TRIP BEACH.

I REPRESENT MOST OF THE VICTIMS OF DOLPHIN COVE. AND WHAT WE HAD TO ENDURE AND THERE DEFINITELY IS CORRELATION BETWEEN THAT SITUATION AND THIS SITUATION.

THIS IS WHAT. >> EXCUSE ME. MR. MCVEIGH, ISD OF

REPRESENTATION OF 20 MORE PEOPLE? >> THAT'S ALL I NEED.

>> IS NOT ON THE LIST. >> THIS IS WHAT PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE. FIRST-HAND ÃJUST 26 HOMES. NOT THE ONLY ONE.

I'M NOT HERE FOR ME. I'M HERE FOR MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS.

THAT HAD TO ENDURE LIVING HELL. THE GUYS WILL GET TO ALL ENDURE FOR HOWEVER MANY YEARS THAT CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON BECAUSE IN EVERY LIVING NIGHTMARE EVERY DAY.

WAKING UP TO THEIR MACHINERY BEFORE 7 O'CLOCK. I HAD TO CALL THE COPS MULTIPLE TIMES ON THEM. AND IT'S JUST DAY AFTER DAY. DIRT ÃÃTHE FILTH, THE DISGUSTING NEWS, THE CONCRETE DUST THAT YOU GUYS A BASICS EXPOSED TO.

THE CONCRETE DUST THAT WOULD BE EXPOSED TO. IT'S NEVER ENDING AND IT'S JUST THE DEPRECIATION OF PROPERTY VALUE ÃÃI AGREE. THE RESORTS AND ASSETS Ã SETTLEMENT OFFER. I'M A MEMBER OF THE PROFESSIONAL GOLFERS ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA. I PLAYED WITH OUR COUPLE OF TIMES.

IT'S AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. BUT THE RIGHT WAY TO DEVELOP IN A WRONG WAY TO DEVELOP.

IN THE STUFF THAT HAPPENED TO US DOLPHIN COVE WAS A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF THE LONG WAY TO DEVELOP PONTE VEDRA BEACH. PART OF THE REASON WHY WE ARE HERE IS JUST TO CREATE AWARENESS OF RECENT STATE LAW THAT WAS PASSED IN SENATE BILL 102, WHICH IS THAT LIVE LOCAL ACT. SPECIFICALLY PAGE 12. WHERE THERE IS SOME CONCERN VERBIAGE IN THEIR ABOUT RIGHTS AND DEVELOPERS EXTENDED TO OTHER PARCELS OF LAND THAT THEY OWN WITHIN ONE MILE RADIUS. WHERE WE ARE GREATLY CONCERNED ABOUT WEDNESDAY'S TEMPORARY

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WE'RE HERE TO BE AWARE OF THESE NEW RULES THAT THE PUD EXTENDED THAT PARCEL TO HEIGHT LIMITS AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THAT STATE LAW ÃÃTHAT WAS JUST IMPLEMENT IT ON JULY 1 THIS YEAR. READS. SO ÃÃONCE AGAIN, THIS WAS OUR VISUAL AND AESTHETIC ENHANCEMENT THAT WE GOT. COURTESY OF THE GATE PETROLEUM CAN COMPANY. DIMINISH OUR PROPERTY VALUES. JUST WE WISH YOU ALL THE BEST BECAUSE YOU ARE HERE FOR A FUN EXPERIENCE THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.

SO I WILL YIELD EFFECTIVE 44 SECONDS. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME. AND I APPRECIATE THE MESS AND ALL THAT WAS LEFT BEHIND.

[APPLAUSE] >> YES ÃÃMY NAME IS JOHN MS. RELLA.

I LIVE AT 12 SEE WOODS LANE HOUSTON PONTE VEDRA BEACH. IN WHAT IS CALLED PONTE VEDRA BY THE SEA AND THAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT THAT VERY EARLY IN THE PRESENTATION.

WHAT SEEMS LIKE HOURS AGO. I GUESS IT WAS HOURS AGO. BUT ANYWAY ÃÃI JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE SITE BACK TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD Ã ÃYOU DO NOT SEE THOSE HOMES.

BECAUSE THOSE HOMES ARE NOT VERY TALL. WHEN YOU LIVE IN THOSE HOMES AND YOU DO LOOK OUT FROM WHERE WE LIVE AND WHERE OUR NEIGHBORS ARE, YOU DO SEE THE CARLISLE.

AND THE CARLISLE IS SET BACK. SO ÃÃI THINK NOW IT'S ALMOST LIKE BEHIND WHERE WE LIVE.

I'M GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE CARLISLE FOR COURSE. THAT'S EXACTLY IT CAN BE A LOT CLOSER TO WHERE WE LIVE IN THE CARLISLE IS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY WAS AGAIN, THIS IS WHEN YOU WALK ACROSS THE BOARDWALK AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL NATURAL HABITAT. AND I WONDER AND I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT AN ENVIRONMENTALIST. WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL OF THE WILDLIFE? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE MIGRATING BIRDS? WHAT HAPPENS JUST AT NIGHT WHEN IT'S SO DARK THERE AND ALL THAT WILDLIFE IS THERE ATTRACTED TO THAT.

IT'S FROM A SELFISH POINT OF VIEW ÃTHERE SHALL BE SITTING IN ONE OF MY TWO ROOMS THAT FACE THAT NATURAL AREA. WILL I BE SEEING HEADLIGHTS AT NIGHT? I KNOW I'LL BE SEEING THE TOP OF THE DECK. I KNOW I'LL BE SEEING THE POST FOR THE LIGHTS. I MEAN ÃÃTHAT JUST SEEMS LIKE OVERKILL TO ME.

THAT LOT RIGHT NOW AS WE DID THEY SAY? HUNDRED AND 50 SPACES? AND WE'RE GOING TO HOW MANY? 450? IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT TO ME.

AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE AND THIS WAS QUESTION AND I'M NOT A REAL ESTATE PERSON OR A PLANNER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. JUST A CITIZEN. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS YES, WE GOT NOTICED. BUT WE WERE NEVER CONTACTED BY ANYONE TO SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK. WE ARE SO CLOSE AND WE ARE. WE MIGHT BE THE CLOSEST PEOPLE IN THESE HOMES TO ANY OF THE DEVELOPED AREAS. THAT WILL BE FINE.

THERE'S SOME INPUT.E CAN HAVE SOME INPUT. BUT WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. BUT I HAD A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO, BUT THE SPA CHANGE TO SOME RESIDENTIAL AREAS. OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS BETWEEN THE CARLISLE IS RIGHT THERE.

HAVING ME CONTAINED THE DECK IN ONE PLACE AND BUILD A 50+ FOOT DECK SOMEWHERE ELSE? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.HAT IS WHY WE HAVE YOU. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

AND AGAIN ÃÃHAVE THERE BEEN ANY ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT EITHER. YOU KNOW? I LOVE LIVING IN PONTE VEDRA AND WE BEEN HERE FOR FIVE FULL YEARS. IT'S A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY.

NO COMMUNITY IS PERFECT. THE LODGE AND CLUB, I DO BELIEVE OUR ASSETS. DO ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE CLUBS CAN COEXIST AND LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER A LOT OF THOUGHT AND I HOPE YOU'LL GIVE A LOT OF MORE THOUGHT INTO THIS WHOLE PLAN AND DO WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> GOOD MORNING/AFTERNOON/EV ENING.

MY NAME IS MARY LEWIS PART I LIVE AT 600 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.

I'M ON THE BACKSIDE AT 408. LOOKING OUT AT THE LAGOON. I AM HAPPY THAT THERE COULD BE DEVELOPMENT ON THE LAGOON. WHEN I DIDN'T KNOW THAT BEFORE ÃÃI STARTED SORT OF TRACKING THE WILDLIFE. I SAW AUTO REPAIRS. ALL THE BIRDS ÃÃNOT TO MENTION ALL THE REAL PEOPLE THAT STOP ALONG THE BRIDGE TO JUST VIEW THAT WILDLIFE.

IT'S VERY BEAUTIFUL AND AMAZING. SO ÃÃI'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS BINDING. THAT NO DEVELOPMENT REALLY MEANS NO DEVELOPMENT.

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WHEN YOU GO ALONG ÃÃI WALKED UP THE BEACH THIS LAST WEEK TO LOOK AT THE PALMER AND THAT NO, NO, NOT THE PALMER. THE OCEAN AND THE PATENT HOUSES AND COMPARE WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE. I MEAN ÃÃTHERE ARE BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS.

I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA DO A WONDERFUL JOB.T'S JUST IT MIGHT HAVE A TENDENCY TO GET A LITTLE BIT CROWDED. AND AS FAR AS THE GARAGE ON THE LODGE ÃÃI KNOW THAT IT'S KIND OF THE SAME PROBLEM. JUST ASKING FOR SOME CONSIDERATION AND ORIGINAL PLANS AND CALL FOR 59 FOOT GARAGE AT THE END. THEY BROUGHT THAT DOWN TO 38.

RESPONDING TO THE COMMUNITY. I MEAN ÃÃI KNOW WE GOT A LAWYER ÃÃBLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

BUT THAT WAS NEVER PRESENTED DOWN TO THE LODGE AREA. AND THE WAY THAT THE DRAWINGS GO LOOKS AS IF WE WILL GO ALL WAY UP TO THE END. IT WILL BE KIND OF A CAVERN TO USE SOME OF YOUR OWN WORDING. BUT ANYWAY ÃÃI THINK YOU FOR LISTENING AND I APPRECIATE YOUR

TIME. >> HELLO, I'M MARION WARNICK. MONG 340 NORTH [INDISCERNIBLE] BOULEVARD. I WANTED TO END ON A POSITIVE NOTE TO SAY THAT I SUPPORT THE PATENT FAMILY. I THINK THEY'VE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB AND THEY ONLY WANT TO HELP ENHANCE OUR COMMUNITY.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 30 YEARS. MY BOYS ARE NOW 26 AND 27 AND HAVE WORKED AT THE LODGE AND AT THE CLUB AND IT'S JUST BEEN AN ABSOLUTE WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE. AND I TRUST THAT ALL THEY WANT IS THE BEST FOR OUR TOWN. AND I SUPPORT THEM. THANK YOU.

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS MARK NICKERSON. 1121 DOLPHIN BOULEVARD.

AT PONTE VEDRA BEACH. WE LIVED THERE SINCE 1988 AND WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES.

I AM THE PRESIDENT OF DOLPHIN COVE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE THIS PRAIRIE BEHIND US.

THAT IS KIND OF BEEN EMBLEMATIC OF WHAT WE FEAR MIGHT BE HAPPENING WITH THE PLOT AREA.

THE LAND WAS CLEARED AND PERMISSIONS GRANTED OVER THE HOLIDAYS.

IN THE MIDDLE THE NIGHT. THE 26 MEMBERS 26 HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT JUST HOMEOWNERS.

THEY'RE NOT JUST HOUSES THAT I HEARD THEM REFERRED TO. IT'S DIANE ÃÃBOB AND THE OTHER ROB. IT'S LISA, RHONDA, REAL PEOPLE. PEOPLE THAT I KNOW FOR YEARS.

AND THEY HAD DIRT IN THE BACKYARD. POOL PUMPS WERE RUINED.

DID ANYBODY COME AND OFFER THE PATIENT? NO.

WE HAD PASSIONATE MOTION OUTREACH AND GOT NOTHING CAME OF IT.

IT'S A SHAME BECAUSE THE CLUB IS THE RESOURCE WE THINK. BUT WHAT REALLY IS BEHIND ALL OF THIS? BECAUSE IF IT TOOK YEARS OF PLANNING AND DESIGN WORK AND TO PREPARE FOR THIS ÃÃCLEARLY THE DOLPHIN COVE PARCEL ÃÃ THEY DIDN'T WANT TO ASK THEM.

THE ONLY COMMUNICATION THAT WE GOT A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS WHO HAD APPROACHED ON THE PROPERTY GOT A LETTER FROM ROGER TOWERS OR SOMETHING. NOT PLANNING TO DO SOME WORK.

GET OFF OUR LAND. NO. YOU ARE ON OUR PROPERTY ÃTHEY PROMISED US A BUFFER. TRAITS. NOTHING.

NOTHING HAPPENED. IN FACT ÃTESTIMONY RIGHT UP TO OUR PROPERTY LINE.

ONE FELLA CANNOT WORK FOR 10 DAYS OR TWO WEEKS BECAUSE HIS INTERNET LINE WAS CUT.

AND OF COURSE IT WAS NOT KATE'S FAULT. IT WAS THE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT PROPERLY MARK THE FIELD. BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND BEING ETHICAL.

MORE THAN WORDS. IT'S MAKING A PHONE CALL AND SENDING EMAIL.

ORGANIZING AND MEETING. NOT BUYING MARK NICKERSON A CAPPUCCINO.

[LAUGHTER] AND ITS THINKING ABOUT IS THAT THESE HOMEOWNERS EXPECT AND

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THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. I THINK ONE OF THE PARCELS IS TERRIFIC.

BUT IT'S JUST ÃÃIF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED WITH OUR BACKYARD ÃÃBE VERY CONCERNED OF THE VERBAL PROMISES THAT THEY HAVE MADE TODAY AND ALL ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

[APPLAUSE] >> WELL, IT WAS MORNING AND THEN IT WAS AFTERNOON.

GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU. I AM. BECHTEL.

555 RUTILE DRIVE. I REALLY WASN'T EXPECTING TO BE SPEAKING HERE TODAY.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND THE PLANES AND THE PEOPLE THAT HELP US UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT. WE ARE THE PROPERTY IS PROBABLY MOST IMPACTED BY THE PROPOSED PUD. WE ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PALMER BUILDING ACROSS THE LAGOON. ABOUT 200 OR 220 FEET AWAY. EVEN THOUGH I'M IN BIO, I SEE YOU DOCTOR MOST OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW FOR THE PAST DECADE HAVE BEEN THE CHAIRMAN OF THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCILS ECONOMIC STRATEGY AND DEVELOPMENT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY COMMITTEE. AND SO I KNOW LITTLE BIT ABOUT PUD.

JUST ENOUGH TO BE DANGEROUS. AND ALSO DRI'S AND FOR THE REST OF THEM BECAUSE WE DO SPEAK WITH A LOT OF DEVELOPERS THAT MY CAPACITY AND MY COMMITTEE. I DO HAVE AND I HAVE TO THANK MR. PEYTON WHO WE MET WITH. WE HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS WHEN THE PALMER BUILDING WAS LISTED AS 55 FEET. BECAUSE I ENVISIONED IN MY BRAIN OUT-OF-TOWNERS WITH A VIEW INTO OUR BACKYARD WHERE MY KIDS SWIM WITH THEIR FRIENDS. BUT WE DID MEET WITH MR. PEYTON AND HE WAS RESPONSIVE AND ENOUGH ÃÃALONG WITH PEOPLE IN CARLISLE LOWERED THE BUILDING.

WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE TEAM AND FOR THAT DOING THAT. I WOULD CAUTION THE WITH ENOUGH ÃÃA PUD IS A DOCUMENT OF TRUST WHERE IN EXCHANGE ÃÃIT BRINGS CLARITY AND DETAIL TO A BIG BUILDING PROJECT. AND IT'S TYPICALLY DEVELOPED WITH COMMUNITY.

THIS WAS NOT. BUT THAT'S NOT DOESN'T BREAK IT.

BUT ÃÃIN EXCHANGE FOR THE TEST TEST DETAIL. YOU GET WAIVERS SIGNIFICANT WAIVERS TO THE BUILDING CODE. AND I JUST THINK IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A ONE-WAY STREET WHERE YOU BEEN ASKING FOR WAIVERS ÃÃBUT NOT A LOT OF DETAIL.

AND THAT'S THE EXCHANGE THAT SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE. BUT AGAIN ÃÃI DON'T THINK THAT'S A DEALBREAKER EITHER. UT I'M CAUTIONED ÃÃI WOULD CAUTION AGAINST APPROVING WAIVER FIVE, WHICH BYPASSES THE ARK. WAIVER 21, WHICH BYPASSES REVIEW BY THIS COMMITTEE. OF THINGS THAT ARE MAJOR TO THE PUD.

AND I BELIEVE THAT WAIVER 21, WHICH IS THE INCREMENTAL MASTER PLAN REVIEW ALSO BYPASSES THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FOR MAJOR CHANGES OF THE MASTER PLAN.ASTER PLAN IS NOT VERY DETAILED. AND SO ÃÃI WOULD CAUTION YOU AGAINST THOSE.

WAIVER 19 UNLIMITED. TEMPORARY USE PERMITS I THINK IS JUST A BAD IDEA AND WE SHOULD PUT A NUMBER TO THAT. BUT THAT'S JUST IT. AGAIN, THANK YOU COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR CONSIDERING. [APPLAUSE]

>> GOOD EVENING. DOUG BURNETT, FOR THE RECORD, ST. JOHN'S BLOGGER SEE GROWTH MAIN STREET SAINT AUGUSTINE FLORIDA. IS THERE A [INDISCERNIBLE] HERE? ARE Y'ALL GONNA RUN IT?

>> ,DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE FOR A NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO SUBMITTED PREVIOUSLY TO YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IN MY CAREER ÃÃSOME OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW ME. MY ENTIRE CAREER HAS BEEN HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

MOST HOME ALL OF MY PROJECTS ARE HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF THE

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I'VE HAD PUD'S COME THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THAT I WAS THE ATTORNEY FOR.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT WITH PROJECTS LIKE THIS ÃÃTHE LACK OF SPECIFICITY IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD ADVISE SOMEONE THAT THEY WOULD COME THROUGH AND GET APPROVED SUCCESSFULLY. ESPECIALLY NOT A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OUT OF THIS BOARD.

YOU FOLKS LOOK AT THINGS VERY CLOSELY. SOME OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR YEARS INVESTED A LOT OF TIME IN THIS COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY GETS CLOSELY LOOKED AT. I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHY THIS HEARING SHOULD BE CONTINUED AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE PROJECT IN DETAIL.

SEE REALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO HANG YOUR HAT ON MANY LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR RESUBMITTAL FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 1. THIS WAS THE FRIDAY RIGHT BEFORE THE ARK HEARING.

AND EVERYBODY SCRAMBLING AROUND TRYING TO FIRE OUT WHAT WAS THAT THEY DID AND LOOK AT THE CHANGES. THERE WERE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES IN THERE.

ANY WAIVER WAS EVEN ADDED AND NOW FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT THAT RESUBMITTAL IS NOT EVEN BEEN REVIEWED.F YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY'S ONLINE SYSTEM ÃÃTHIS IS TODAY.

THIS WAS ALL THE COUNTY SYSTEM TODAY FOR THIS PROJECT. DATE REVIEWED.

NOPE? THAT SUBMITTAL ACTUALLY IS NOT EVEN BEEN OFFICIALLY REVIEWED AND SIGNED OFF., ACCOUNT OR 11, TO OPEN COMMENTS OR SIX COMMENTS ÃÃYOU ALSO GO BACK TO WHAT WENT ON FOR THIS COURT TODAY AS I UNDERSTAND IT ÃÃ YOU GUYS GET YOUR APPLICATION MATERIALS ON FRIDAY. HOW IS IT THAT SOMEONE LIKE THE PUBLIC IS EXPECTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AND COME HERE AND BE PREPARED AND UNDERSTAND TO BE ABLE TO MAKE COMMENTS. GOD BLESS THEM BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING THIS IN THIS COUNTY FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING THING TO ADJUST ON THE FLY TO CHANGE A POWERPOINT TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION AND BE ABLE TO COMMENT AND EDUCATE AFFECTION AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PROJECT. IT'S REALLY SOMETHING.

EARLY SUBMIT TO YOU THAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER CONTINUING THIS WERE TABLING UNTIL YOU GET A FRESH CLEAN CRACK AT THEM AND YOU CAN'T SIX HOURS JUST OF THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION.

YOU WILL PUBLIC COMMENT HERE THAN WHAT THE WOULD'VE BEEN IF THE APPLICANT HAD A NORMAL PRESENTATION OF 30 MINUTES. MAYBE AN HOUR. THEN THE PUBLIC AT THE COMMENT.

YOU LOST EVERYBODY. AND IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. IT'S THE NATURE OF WHAT WENT ON TODAY. I REALLY THINK THAT BECAUSE PD ARK WAS MISLED.

BUT THEY FIGURED OUT. THERE WAS NO PD ARK APPLICATION.D ARK IS REVIEWING THIS PUD.HEY WERE NOT REVIEWING ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.

THEY WERE VIEWING THIS PUD. THIS PUD 2023 02, MAKE NO MISTAKE.

THEY DENIED THIS. THEY RECOMMENDED A DENIAL 4Ä. OF THE OVERALL PUD.

THE DATE APPROVED THE OVERALL ARCHITECTURE BY 4Ä VOTE? EXCUSE ME.

THEY PROVE THE ARCHITECTURE AND THEY DENIED THE SIGN PLAN. BUT THE PUD ITSELF WAS DENIED.

I READ SOMETHING IN THE BUSINESS JOURNAL PICKING THAT IT WAS APPROVED.

THAT'S NOT CORRECT. AND BY THE WAY ÃÃTHERE IS NO ARK APPLICATION WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE HERE WE ARE ÃTHAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WANT THE WAIVERS TO NEVER SEND IT TO ARK. SO THEY WOULD NEVER HAVEN'T ARK APPLICATION.

TO OUT OF ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVEN'T PONTE VEDRA, THERE WOULD NEVER BE THAT INDIVIDUAL REVIEW OF EACH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING. WHEN DOES THAT EVER HAPPEN? WHEN HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED? IN PONTE VEDRA? YOU KNOW? WE GOT THE BIGGEST PROJECT PROBABLY IN 30 YEARS AND THERE AND SUBMITTED TO ARK FOR FINAL REVIEW? I ALSO THINK YOU'RE BEING MISLED.

I THINK YOU BRING MISLED FOR NUMBER OF REASONS. BUT THE BIGGEST INDICATOR OF HOW YOU'RE BEING MISLED HERE TODAY IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN ÃÃIF YOU LOOK AT THE PUD MAP AND THE DRAWING OF WHERE THEY ARE PUTTING WHAT ÃÃ YOU DON'T SEE PARKING LOTS.

YOU'LL SEE LOADING ZONES. YOU DON'T SEE DUMPSTER PADS AND WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THE DUMPSTERS. YOU DON'T SEE SCREENING. YOU DON'T SEE FENCING.

YOU DON'T SEE DRIVER FILES AND ALL THE THINGS ARE ASKING WAIVER SCORE.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY MEET THE WAIVERS OR NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GIVING YOU THE DRAWINGS. THEY HAVE AN INCREDIBLE TEAM OVER HERE THAT THEY HAVE AMASSED. WHO CAN GIVE YOU BEAUTIFUL DRAWINGS.UT THOSE BEAUTIFUL DRAWINGS AT THE END OF THE DAY ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T RELY ON TO BE BINDING.

WHEN THEY COME BACK 10 YEARS FROM NOW OR 15 YEARS FROM NOW IN 20 YEARS FROM NOW ÃÃYOU'RE STILL STUCK THERE. THEY GET TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT BECAUSE THEY ARE 31 WAIVERS. AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU WHAT I THINK COULD BE ON THERE FOR SOME THESE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS IN A MINUTE. THE MISSIONARY REAL QUICK.

THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE BEING MISLED ON. THIS PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL D

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SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN DOUG? IF WE LOOK AT THE COMPANY AND SUPPLANT ÃÃHERE'S WHERE IT'S AT, BUT WE JUST GO TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, LET'S LOOK AT WHAT NEIGHBOR COMMERCIALISM NEIGHBORHOOD CODE. PHOTELS AND MOTELS NOT LISTED. THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED.

WITH THE ARTICLE 2 AND LINDA VELTMAN CODE, AND IF WE LOOK AT HOTELS AND MOTELS AND LINES UP WITH NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, FLORAL OUT. IF WE GO ONE MORE OVER TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL GENERAL Ã THIS IS NOT ALLOWED. IF TO GET TO INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES BEFORE HOTELS AND MOTELS ARE ALLOWED.O ÃÃ WE KNOW THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS THE NORM MIXED IN WITH RESIDENTIAL. IT'S NOT.

THAT'S WHY YOU GO BY THIS WITH THE VARIANCE PROCESS. NOT PUD.

LOOK AT EACH BUILDING CASE-BY-CASE AS THEY COME WITH AN APPLICATION.

THEY SHOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO. THE SOLUTION TO THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION ÃÃWHICH IS DESIGNATED ALL COMMERCIAL. AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND WE'RE GOING TO APPLY THIS POLICY AND SAY THAT YOU INTERPRET IT THAT IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE RIGHT NOW.

THE COUNTY'S FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOWS THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

THEY WANT TO TAKE IT AND PUT IT IN THE RED AND WHITE STRIPED COLORING.

THEY JUST WANT TO TURN THE COMMERCIAL NOTES CLEARLY COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL BE.

SO HERE'S THE MISREPRESENTING MAP AND THEN LET'S LOOK AT THE NEXT MAP BECAUSE THIS IS DOWN AT THE LODGE PROPERTY. SAME THING. THEY ARE GOING TO APPLY.

HERE'S THE COUNTY'S FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND YOU COULD SEE THE AREA OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. THEY WILL INTERPRET THAT AS BEING COMMERCIAL.

WE ARE THE LODGES OVER NEXT TO THE CARLISLE. THE PROBLEM IS THE SECTION THEY ARE SIDING IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN HAS CRITERIA. ONE IS IF YOUR PARCEL IS SPLIT.

SO ÃÃYOU HAVE THE ARTWORK MERCHANT COUNTY LAND USE MAP. YOU GOT TWO PROPERTY BOUNDARIES AND MAYBE THAT MAP WORK DRAWS THE RESIDENTIAL D AND RESIDENTIAL BE BOUNDARY IS NOT PERFECTLY ALIGNED. SO YOU MOVE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER LITTLE TO ADJUST FOR THAT.HE ECTION B TALKS ABOUT GEOGRAPHIC CONCERNS.

AND THE NEXT WAY IN CHAPTER C TALKS ABOUT HIGH WATER ONE ALIGNED.

WILL HAVE ANY OF THAT HERE. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A NONCONFORMING USE.

AN EXISTING NONCONFORMING AND WE WILL JUST FIX THAT BY INTERPRETING THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN.> YOU'VE NEVER MADE THAT INTERPRETATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS INTERPRETATION EVER BEING MADE IN OUR COUNTY. I DON'T THINK YOU'VE EVER MADE.

RESETTING PRESIDENT BITE? IS THIS HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH NONCONFORMING USES? IT'S AN EXISTING NONCONFORMING USE. THE COME BACK AND ISOLATE KATE DID. HERE I AM PRETTY ONLY GET THAT INTERPRETATION AS WELL.

I DON'T KNOW YOU'VE EVER UNDERTAKEN SOME APPLICATION AT THIS.

NONCONFORMING USES CAN BE MADE OKAY. JUST AFTER INTERPRET AND MOVE THE BOUNDARY. THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR A THINK THE COMP PLAN PREVENTS THIS PUD AND VIOLATES THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP) AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP BY THE WAY AND YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT'S REQUIRED IN YOUR PENS UP REQUIREMENT, FIRST OFF IT'S GOT TO BE CONSISTENT AND COMPLIANT. A CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE AND COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.T HAS TO HAVE COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN. IF NOT ÃÃYOU CANNOT REVIEW AND APPROVE IT.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE IMPROVING AND MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

I'M ESCAPED THROUGH SOME OF THIS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TIME ON TOO MUCH DETAIL.

HEY GOT THE BURDEN APPROVED. BUT I WILL SHOW YOU SOMETHING THAT'S INTERESTING IN YOUR ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS. AS ANYBODY SEEN THESE SIX CRITERION? BECAUSE THE SIX CRITERIA NOT TALKED ABOUT BY THE APPLICANT IN THE APPLICATION AS BEST AS I COULD TELL. THEY'RE NOT TALKED ABOUT STAFF REPORT EITHER.

HERE'S WHAT YOU SEE. ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES BEFORE YOU CAN REZONE ÃÃYOU COMMISSIONERS NO ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT ÃÃ IT'S GOT TO BE COMPLEMENTARY AND SUPPORTIVE.

OF THE USES. WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT SURROUNDING USES? IT'S ANYTHING WITHIN 600 FEET. THIS IS IN THE SAME SUBSECTION. SURROUNDING USES WITHIN 600 FEET, YOU GOTTA BECOME A MENTOR AND SUPPORTIVE. THERE IS NO MAP SHOWING YOU 600 FOOT BOUNDARY WITH NO NOTICE TO THE 600 FOOT OWNER INCLUDED IN THIS APPLICATION.

WHERE'S THE MAP SHOWING YOU WHAT'S WITHIN 650 MICHIGAN IT'S COMPLEMENTARY AND SUPPORTIVE? YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM THE CITIZENS. IT'S NOT COMPLEMENTARY AND SUPPORTIVE OF MANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. AGAIN ÃÃHERE'S WHERE THEIR NONCONFORMING USE IS. THE END OF NONCONFORMING USE IN THE LODGE AND NONCONFORMING USE, BUT THEY WON'T HAVE THIS INTERPRETATION ÃTHAT THE OTHER THING IS THAT ONE CAN APPLY THE SIX FACTORS. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. GET THROUGH HERE.

31 WAIVERS. WHY SO MANY? THEY NEVER HAVE TO FOLLOW AN ARC APPLICATION. THEY GET A BLANK CHECK FOR 30 YEARS.1 WAIVERS HAVE NO SITE PLAN TO ACTUALLY TRY AND JUSTIFY. WE NEEDS SMALLER DRIVE AISLES

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WE'RE GONNA INCREASE OUR PARKING PLACES BY 30. IF YOU GIVE A SMALLER DRIVE

AISLES AND SMALL PARKING PLACES. >> YOU WANT TO EXPEND THE TIME?

HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU NEED? >> CAN I HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 3SS MINUTES?

>> MADAM CHAIR? OKAY.HANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

I ACTUALLY THINK OF MORE WAIVERS NEEDED AS FAR AS BUILDING PAD THAT THEY HAVE NOT INCLUDED. BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER ITEM. BUT YOU KNOW ÃDESPISE IT THAT THEY WANT WAIVERS INSTEAD OF VARIANCES? BECAUSE YOU ALL KNOW THAT WHEN THEY COME IN HERE FOR VARIANCE, THEY HAVE TO MEET YOUR STANDARDS.

THEY HAVE A FIVE CRITERIA. BUT IF THE PUT WAIVERS IN THE PUD, THEN ENOUGH TO SHOW HARDSHIP AT THE NEVER HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. THEY WANT TO SHOW YOU THE ACTUAL BUILDING AND THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN. THEY JUST GET IT HERE NOW FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH WHAT'S BEFORE YOU.

THAT'S WHY IT'S SO MUCH CONSTERNATION. YOU MAY NOT HAVE SEEN WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE PEE DEE ARC MEETING, BUT THERE HAD TO BE AT LEAST 500 PEOPLE THERE.

LAUGHTER] >> INOU ÃÃTHESE REQUIREMENTS CANNOT BE WAIVED.

ENTRC)ES AND VISUALS THOUGH. T'S INTERESTING BECAUSE ALL THE EFFORT THAT WENT INTO THERE, HOW MANY BALLOON STUDIES TODAY SHOW AND DO TO SHOW YOU THE HEIGHT OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE AND TRY TO ACTUAL ELEVATIONS OF HERE'S THE REAL WORLD PICTURE FROM THE STREET.

HERE'S WHAT SINGLE CLICK AND HERE'S THE REAL WORLD PICTURES FROM ACROSS THE LAGOON AND HERE'S WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. THEY'VE NOT DONE ANY OF THAT PRETTY TALK ABOUT HOW HIGH YOU CAN GO IN THE HEIGHT. TALK ABOUT FEMA PRODUCER TYPICAL HOMEOWNER ON THE LEFT. THERE ARE 35 FOOT TALL HOME. THE STEM WALL RAISES THE HOUSE THAT CUTS INTO THE OVERALL HEIGHT. IF YOU HAVE A FOUR FOOT STONE WALL THAT CUTS INTO THE OVERALL HEIGHT, THEY'RE GONNA GO 57 FEET MAYBE 54 NOW.

BUT THIS AT THE FOR FEE UNDERNEATH. YOU CAN BE 61 FEET NEXT TO 35 FEET. LET ME SKIP THROUGH HERE TO GET TO SOME OF THE OTHER DRAWINGS PROVIDE WAY, MASS AND SCALPER THIS IS SOMETHING YOUR STAFF HAS SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT.

IT'S IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. LOOK AT YOUR STAFF REPORTED STAFF CONCERN CANNOT BE DETERMINED BASED ON THE PUD DEFINITION OF OVERALL HEIGHT AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

IN THE ARC, THEY ARE STICKING THEM IN THE BACK. THEY ARE ACTUALLY MOVING REVIEW ON EVERY BUILDING. MASSIVE SCALE AND SOME PHOTOS REAL QUICK.

MASS AND SCALPER RIGHT THERE. THAT COULD BE FOR STORIES WITHIN 57 FEET ON THE LODGE.

THAT LOOKS LIKE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEIR DRAWINGS SHOW. BUT THE ELEMENTS ARE THERE.S THIS WHAT WE'RE GETTING? BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE CONTROL LATER THAT YOU HAVE NOW.

LOOK AT AND THIS IS SOMEONE WHO'S MAYBE DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE.

THEY DO NOT HAVE THIS DOWN. THEY DON'T HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR SOMEONE IN THIS RENTAL HOTEL LOOKING DOWN INTO THE BACKYARD. YOU KNOW ÃÃWHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE FEMA IMPLICATIONS ARE, IF YOU TAKE THE EXISTING BUILDING AND YOU ADD FEMA TO IT AND THEN YOU ADD THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, OR WE GET TO? WHERE IS THIS STUFF? AND THIS IS THAT HOTEL IN JAX BEACH THAT I USE AS A DEMONSTRATIVE JUST SEEKING AN IDEA. I MEAN, IT'S LAYER IN SOME BUILDINGS AND TOOK A GOOD LOOK.

IS A REAL EXAMPLE REAL QUICK. THIS IS THE END, RIGHT? THEY SAY IT'S 57 FEET.

IT'S 153 FEET ROUGHLY FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. HUNDRED AND 53 FEET.

BUT UNDER THEIR PUD ÃÃTHEY CANNOT MOVE TO FIVE FOOT SETBACK.

FOR STORIES. THERE'S NO STORY LIMITATION BY THE WAY IN THE PUD.

SO THEY CAN DO FOUR OR FIVE STORIES AT 54 FEET.IVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND THEN JUST A COUPLE MORE ELEVATIONS TO SHOW YOU. BY THE WAY ÃÃI THINK SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS PROBABLY ACCEPTABLE TO MOST EVERYONE. YOU KNOW? THIS IS AS AN EXAMPLE. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE. MADISON SCALE OBVIOUSLY.

AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? >> GOOD EVENING MADAM CHAIR. BOARD MEMBERS FOR THE RECORD.

MY NAME IS JAMES WHITE HOUSE OF ST. JOHN'S GROUP. 104C GROVE MAIN STREET HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FLORIDA. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CARLISLE CONDOMINIUM.

I AM A BOARD-CERTIFIED EXPERT IN CITY COUNTY AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW AND I AM A FORMER DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. AS I SAID, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CARLISLE CONDOMINIUM. WE ALL KNOW WHERE THE CARLISLE IS.

IT'S LOCATED AT 600 PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD UPSCALE. CONDO WHERE WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT IT. TONIGHT ÃTHAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR DO NOT REDIRECT THE THING THAT DOUG TALKED ABOUT. I WANT O TELL YOU THE CONCERNS AND GENUINE CONCERNS OF THESE INDIVIDUAL 47 UNIT OWNERS AT THE CARLISLE CONDOMINIUM. AGAIN ÃÃYOU ALL KNOW WHERE THE CARLISLE IS. BUT FROM THEIR LOCATION MAP WITHIN THE PUD ÃJUST YOU SEE THAT WE ARE SURROUNDED ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THIS PUD. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW AND I KNOW YOU HUDDLED EARLIER ABOUT THE VERY TALL GRASS THAT WAS ONE A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY

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THIS IS TO TOTALLY DIFFERENT MEMBERSHIPS. THIS IS THE DISTANCE OF THIS IS IT SHOULD BE TWO DIFFERENT BEAUTIES. THE COUNTY SHOULD REQUIRE A SEPARATE PUD REQUEST FOR THE AREAS SURROUNDING THE CARLISLE WITH STRICT ENFORCEMENT OF THE CODE AND NOT A BROADBRUSH APPROVAL BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT VERY DIFFERENT AREAS AND THEY REQUIRE DIFFERENT ANALYSIS AND DISTINCT ENFORCEMENT OF THE COMP PLAN AND CODE.S I SAID ÃAS WE ARE SURROUNDED AS YOU COULD SAY FROM THE AREA HERE LOOKING AT THE BEACH. LODGE ON THE BEACH. THE PALMER BUILDING.

AND THIS AREA NOW THAT THEY CALL IT THE BEACH CLUB RESORT HOTEL.

AGAIN ÃÃAS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP WITHIN THE PUD ÃÃ WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT, WE ARE SURROUNDED. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS APPROVAL ON THE SOUTHERN END.

WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE REASONABLE AND DENIABLE INTEREST BASED ON THERE.

I THINK PART OF IT IS ALSO A LITTLE BIT AT THIS SCENIC. THIS IS THE CARLISLE AS YOU KNOW LOOKING AT FROM THE BACK EAST.HIS IS WHERE THE PALMER BUILDING IS OVER HERE.

THIS IS WHERE THERE 55 FOOT HIGH BUILDINGS ARE PROPOSED AT THE GARAGE HERE IN THE BACK.

THIS IS LOOKING EAST TOWARDS THE LODGE BUILDING ON THE OCEAN.

THIS IS LOOKING FROM [INDISCERNIBLE] ROAD AND HERE'S A CLOSER LOOK AT IT. THIS IS THE CURRENT PICTURE OF THE EASTERN VIEW.

THIS IS THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE AS YOU CAN SEE. HERE'S THE CARLISLE ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS CORONA. HERE'S THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE AND HERE'S THE CURRENT SITUATION OF THE PALMER BUILDING. AND HERE'S THE VISTA LOOKING NORTH FROM THE CARLISLE ITSELF. HOW YOU SEE THAT THERE IS A VISTA.

THE PALMER BUILDING IS SETBACK EVEN WITH THE OTHER HOUSES ALONG THE BOULEVARD.

BUT WITH THEIR REQUESTED HEIGHTS AND POSITIONING OF BUILDINGS, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE BECAUSE THEY DON'T TELL US. THEY CAN MOVE THE BUILDING UP TO A FIVE FOOT SETBACK ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY ITSELF. THIS IS WHERE THE PALMER BUILDING SITS NOW. I KNOW WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE ON CORONA.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. THAT YOU SEE VIA CARLISLE HERE ON THE TOP OF THE PICTURE. YOU SEE THE PROPERTY LINE HERE AND THEN YOU SEE NOW THE OF THE BEACH CLUB WITH THE POOL AND THE REASONABLY FASHIONED AND HEIGHT BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THIS IS A SOUTHERN VIEW LOOKING AT ONE OF THE UNITS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A VISTA GOING UP IT IS NOT A 55 FOOT BUILDING FIVE FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. HERE LOOKING FROM THE CARLISLE SOUTH TO SOUTH OVER THE BULLET WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT 55 PLUS FOOT GARAGE. THE BACK AND 55 FOOT BUILDINGS HERE IN THE FRONT. THEY WILL SHOW YOU BUT PICTURES AND SAID THEY PROMISE THAT THEY WILL BE ALL SHIPPED BUT DON'T TELL YOU WHERE IT'S GONNA BE AND THEY DON'T GIVE YOU IN A DEFINITIVE MBP LOCATION OR MAP. THIS WAS THE INITIAL POD MAP THAT WAS IN THE PACKET.

THEY SENSED CHANGED WITHIN IT. WITHIN THE PACKET, THEY LISTED THIS AREA AS PART OF THE CARLISLE PROPERTY. THERE IS NO MBP MAP WITH SPECIFICITY, SCALE, NOT EXACT BUILDING LOCATION OR DESIGN. ITHIN THIS PACKETS. YOU SEE DEPICTIONS OF CONCEPTUAL BILLING DESIGN. THEIR WORDS, NOT MINE. WE OF COURSE SAW THESE FOR THE FIRST TIME AT THE PARK LAST WEDNESDAY. WE SAW SOME MORE PICTURES TODAY OF DEPICTIONS OF THOSE PROPERTIES. NOBODY ELSE SAW THIS UNTIL TODAY. THERE IS BUBBLE AREAS ON THE MAP.

THEY SAY EVERYBODY DOES INCREMENTAL MBP MAPS. BUT TRUST US.

WE WILL PUT THEM LIKE WHERE WE'RE SHOWING YOU THE PICTURES. THERE'S NO DEFINITIONS.

THERE'S A VAGUE DESCRIPTIONS AS LOCATION OF FUTURE STRUCTURES. THEY ARE SAYING WE WILL HAVE FIVE FOOT SETBACKS AND 55 FOOT HEIGHT WITHIN THE AREA. THEY ARE SAYING WE'RE GONNA PUT THE RETENTION POND DOWN HERE. BUT YOU SEE ON MBP MAP AS DOUG SAID.

THEY WERE GREAT TEAM. THEY COULD DRAW YOU IN MBP MAP FOR THIS BUT THEY KEEP ENJOYING A VAGUE MP3 MAP AND YOU SEE NOTHING. AGAIN, DEPICTIONS OF CONCEPTUAL BUILDING DESIGNS DON'T MEAN ANYTHING THEY SHOW YOU THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HARD TO DO THIS. THERE'S NOTHING ON THE CITY MBP MAPS GOVERN THEIR AID TO BE.

THERE'S NO MBP MAP THAT SHOWS AND STRUCTURES ON THIS PROPERTY.

NOR ON THE PALMER BUILDING PROPERTY. THE PROPOSED 55 FOOT HEIGHTS ON THIS PROPERTY. YET ÃÃTHEY DON'T TELL YOU WHERE THE STRUCTURES CAN BE.

THEY SAY WE'RE GONNA PUT A GARAGE IN THE BACK AND THEN WE'RE GONNA PUT THE L-SHAPED BUILDING APPEAR IN THE FRONT. BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, UNLESS IT'S GOVERNED BY AND MBP MAP THAT IS SCALED OUT, YOU DON'T SEE ANY SCALE IN MBP MAPS. THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED AT THE

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IF YOU 55 FOOT BUILDING TO RECOUP IT ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SEE ANYTHING GOING IN THAT DIRECTION. CARLISLE HAS BEEN HERE FOR MANY YEARS AND CONTINUES TO BE A VALUED SENSE OF PLACE AND RESIDENTS WERE 47 OWNERS MANY OF WHOM ARE GENUINELY CONCERNED ABOUT THESE VAGUE PROPOSALS. WE LIVE IN A LOVELY UPSCALE AREA FULL OF CHARM AND ELEGANCE. DESERVES TO BE TREATED WITH RESPECT PARTICULAR THE RESPECT CALLED FOR IN OUR COMP PLAN AND OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS.

INCLUDING THOSE OUTLINED IN PONTE VEDRA OUTLINE CODE WHICH THEY'RE ASKING FOR A NUMBER OF WAIVERS FROM. WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE RULES, THE MOST IMPOSSIBLE TO EVEN EVALUATE THE ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGNS AND MADISON SCALE AND EFFECT UPON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. PARTICULARLY THE CARLISLE. GONNA TALK JUST FOR A MINUTE ABOUT THESE WAIVERS AND ONE OF THOSE WAIVERS WITHIN THE CODE AS YOU CAN SEE FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT ÃÃPLAN DEPARTMENT CODE DOES PROVIDE THE SPECIFIC STANDARDS MAY BE MODIFIED OUR WAY IF SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE IS MET THROUGH OTHER MEANS. IF YOU HAVE NOT HEARD ANY DESCRIPTION OF ANY OTHER MEANS, LET'S JUST TAKE THE FIRST WAIVER.

THE WAIVER OF HEIGHT. THEY SAY THEIR REQUEST FOR THE LARGE PROPERTY TO CONSTRUCT A THREE STORY GARAGE AND ACCESS TO ALL LEVELS AND CIRCULATION TOWER WILL BE 45 FEET.

FOR PROPER ELEVATOR CLEARANCE. THEIR JUSTIFICATION FOR PUTTING THIS UP TO 55 FOOT OR MORE DEPENDING ON HOW THEY MEASURE HEIGHT ON THIS PROPERTY IS BECAUSE THE EXISTING LODGE BUILDING IS APPROXIMATELY 43 AND 43 FEET IN HEIGHT TO THE TOP OF THE ROOF AT 57 FEET.

HOW IS THAT SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE SPIRIT INTENDED OF THE CODE THROUGH OTHER MEANS ON THIS PROPERTY? NOT ON A LARGE PROPERTY, ON THIS PROPERTY.

AND I HAVE APPROXIMATELY 29 OTHER WAIVERS THAT WE'VE SAT HERE AND LISTENED TO FOR SIX HOURS TO TALK ABOUT. AND ALL OF THEM. OR ALMOST ALL OF THEM DON'T GIVE YOU AN EXPLANATION AS TO HOW THEIR SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE THROUGHOUT THEIR MEANS AND THEIR WAIVERS. WE HAVE SUGGESTED THAT HE MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS RECOMMENDED PUD WITH THE REQUESTED WAIVER BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE PUD WAIVER CRITERIA LDC SECTION. LDC SECTION 5.0302 G1 T AND MAY 3, 2003 AND THEY ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF OVERLY STANDARDS TO PROVE PROTECT THE ADJACENT USES.

WE RESPECT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT CAME UP DURING THE PRESENTATION AND A LOT OF THAT WAS ABOUT THE PALMER PROPERTY. I CANNOT DO IT JUSTICE TO THE INDIVIDUALS COMMUNITY THAT SPOKE TODAY BECAUSE ALL OF THEM OBVIOUSLY EXPERIENCE THIS EVERY DAY. AND THERE ARE HEARTFELT CONCERNS SHOULD BE HEARTFELT TO YOU AS WELL. ONE THING ABOUT THE PALMER BUILDING THAT CAME UP DURING THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION TODAY AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WAS IN PRESENTATIONS BEFORE WAS ABOUT THIS 35 FOOT HIGH AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE CODE IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CLEARING IT UP AND THEY SAID THAT THEIR CURRENT ASK IS THAT YOU ALLOW A 35 FOOT BUILDING ANYWHERE ON THAT PALMER PROPERTY. I THINK THEY'RE MISLEADING YOU JUST LIKE DOUG SAID.

THEY ARE SAYING THAT WE ARE NOT TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT PALMER PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.UT THEN YOU HEARD THIS ELINOR SMITH SAY THAT THEY COULD BUILD BUILDING 35 FOOT HEIGHT ANYWHERE ON THAT PROPERTY TO THIS FIVE FOOT SETBACKS.HAT MEANS THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

AND THIS IS YOUR ONLY CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. AS THE CODE, THE GHOST POINTED UP AT ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, AND ONLY ALLOWS A 25 FOOT BUILDING WITH AN HUNDRED AND 50 FEET OF RESIDENTIAL BUT WITHOUT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS ABOUT 70 FEET FROM THE CURRENT PALMER ELEMENT. AND SO ÃÃIF THEY WANT TO BUILD THAT BUILDING BIGGER ON THAT PROPERTY ÃÃYOU ARE GIVING THEM CARTE BLANCHE TO DO THAT IN? TWO MORE MINUTES MA'AM? THANK YOU MA'AM. AND ALSO ÃÃOUR CURRENT CODE ALSO ALLOWS ONE STORY WITHIN 50 FEET OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

SO ÃÃIF YOU APPROVE THIS WAIVER AS THE HEIGHT AND THAT 35 OR 35 FOOT HIGH HIGH ON THAT PROPERTY WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE ÃÃYOU ESSENTIALLY GRANTING THEM A VARIANCE FROM THE FACT THAT NO BUILDING OVER ONE STORY IS ALLOWED TO BE WITHIN 50 FEET OF THE RESIDENCE. AND HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE THAT RESIDENTS JUST TO THE NORTH KNOWING WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BUILDINGS UNITY. YET, THE BOARD DECIDED TO GRANT THEM CARTE BLANCHE BUT WE ALL MIGHT LOVE THEM. WE THINK THEY'RE GOING TO DO GREAT THINGS FOR BUT NOBODY GETS THAT RIGHT. NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO COME IN

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AS I SAID, THE CARLISLE SURROUNDED PER THE CARLISLE HAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST INTERESTS AND ON A NUMBER OF YOU LIVE IN THE AREA AS WELL. AND WE SHOULD KNOW WHERE THESE CAN BE. MAYBE IT WILL BE FINE. BUT WE DON'T KNOW.

IN SUM, AS PONTE VEDRA BEACH NEIGHBORS AND BOARD MEMBERS TASKED WITH REVIEWING THE PROPOSAL, WE ASK YOU TO TAKE OUR CONCERNS TO HEART. OUR RESIDENTS, OUR DAILY VIEWS, ARE SINCERE HEARTFELT INTEREST IN PONTE VEDRA. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

[APPLAUSE] >> IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING. >> MADAM CHAIR, AS A POINT OF ORDER, I DO WANT TO, BECAUSE WE ARE ENTITLED TO REBUTTAL OF PUBLIC COMMENT AND ALSO WE NEED TO CONTINUE OUR ARCHITECTURAL DISCUSSION FOR THE PONTE VEDRA CLUB AND THEN GO INTO THE ARCHITECTURE FOR THE LODGE AND THEN GO INTO TRAFFIC. THAT IS HOW WE WERE TRACKING THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION. BRING UP MR. WHITE HOUSES POWERPOINT.

I WANT A COUPLE OF POINTS. >> MADAM CHAIR, QUESTION. WE HAVE ONE HOUR LEFT.

WHAT IS THAT REASONABLE EXPECTATION ÃTO SHOW LOVE TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN FORWARD THIS ON TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION. BUT WITH ONE HOUR.

HOW DO WE DO IT? >> AND THIS CAN ASK. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE

BUILDING CLOSES AT 8 PM. >> YES. I WAS TOLD THAT EARLIER.

>> IS JUST ASKING THAT. >> I CAN CONFIRM THAT PROGRESS WILL MOVE THROUGH AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE PER OWNER CONFIRMED TWO THINGS. ONE OF THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE CARLISLE BOARD POINTED OUT THAT THE BUILDING IS APPROXIMATELY 55 FEET TALL. WE'VE NO VERIFICATION OF THE INDEPENDENT LEAVE.

BUT THIS CERTAINLY AND ASKED DOES NOT FAIRLY REPRESENT THE BUILDING THAT WOULD BE 55 FEET TALL NEXT DOOR. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU AND I WILL BRING THIS UP FOR THE RECORD. THAT THE TITLE COMMITMENT FOR THE PROPERTY BEHIND THE CARLISLE AGAIN SHOWS THAT IT'S OWNED BY PONTE VEDRA LODGE, WHICH IS PONTE VEDRA CORPORATION. AN AFFILIATE AND PONTE VEDRA CORPORATION.

I WANT TO DO TWO QUICK THINGS BECAUSE I BELIEVE MR. BARNETT MISSPOKE A COUPLE OF TIMES DURING HIS PRESENTATION. IF YOU WILL PUT OUR PRESENTATION BACK UP? HE STATED AGAIN ÃTHIS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I NEED TO GO BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING ON THE LAND USE SLIDE. SOME GONNA CLICK THROUGH THIS AS FAST AS I CAN.

SO WE NOTED THAT HANG ON. I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE THREE FUTURE LAND-USE DESIGNATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY. AND I BELIEVE HE MISSPOKE THAT COMMERCIAL IS THE RED ON BOTH MAPS. AND RESIDENTIAL D AS IN DOG IS THE BROWN AND THE TENANT IS RESIDENTIAL B. SO FOR THE PERMITTED USES FOR DENSITY AND RESIDENTIAL, IT'S TWO UNITS IN THE EIGHT UNITS FOR B AND D. BUT I BELIEVE HE MISSPOKE. BECAUSE RESIDENTIAL B IS THE ONE THAT ALLOWS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES AND RESIDENTIAL D AS IN DOG ALLOWS MORE INTENT COMMERCIAL USES. SO I THINK HE JUST MISSPOKE AND HIS POWERPOINT MAY HAVE BEEN IN AN ERROR. SO ÃÃI WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.

ALSO ÃÃWITH RESPECT TO THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRE PONTE VEDRA CLUB PROPERTY ÃÃTHAT IS ALLOWED. IT'S ADDRESSED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. AND STAFF AGREES THAT THAT LINE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN DRAWN DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING. WE ARE ASKING FOR NO OTHER CHANGES TO THE LAND USE. SO THE MAP THAT MR. BARNETT SHOWED YOU ÃÃTHE MAP THAT WE ARE REPORTEDLY REQUESTING CHANGES OTHER THAN THAT ONE. ARE NOT CORRECT.

SO ÃÃWE WILL CONTINUE FORWARD WITH OUR ARCHITECTURE SO WE CAN GET TO THE DISCUSSION WITH YOUR

BOARD. SORRY.>> YOU GUYS WANT TO COME ÃÃKYLE AND NOAH?

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>> GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS. NO REMARKS. ARCHITECT VICE PRESIDENT ELM AND, AT 13: GORDON JACKSON AND A BIT OF A PICKLE AS I WOULD LOVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC IN DETAIL WITH YOU ALL TODAY AND ARE MYSELF NOT HAVING MUCH TIME IN WHICH TO DO SO.

AND I'LL TAKE YOU TO THE SLIDES REALLY QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, I HOPE AT THIS POINT WITH THIS RENDERING OF THE BUILDING ÃÃTHIS IS A VIEW LOOKING SOUTHWEST ABOVE THE BUILDING. AS IF YOU ARE ADJACENT TO THE CARLISLE AND HOVERING OVER ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. WE HAVE TAKEN CARE PAID SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE EFFECT THAT THIS BUILDING WILL HAVE TO THE SCENIC CORRIDOR AND HOW WE ARE TRYING TO IMPROVE AND ENHANCE THE SCORE DOOR. THE KEY DESIGN HERE IS TO SET THE GARAGE BACK FROM THE [INDISCERNIBLE] SCREEN THAT WITH THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING AS TO DISGUISE AND ARCHITECTURALLY AND PROVIDE MORE BEAUTIFUL AND MORE RELIEVED EDGE AND IN LINE WITH THE BUILDING FROM THE POND TO VERDE. SOFTENING THAT LAGOON WITH LANDSCAPING. AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE CREATING A KEY VISUAL ELEMENT THAT IS A MARKER FOR THE SOUTHERN END OF THE OVERALL PROBLEM, THE LODGE BEING SOMEWHAT DISTINCT FROM THE END OF COLUMBUS TO THE NORTH. HERE YOU HAVE THE VIEW FROM THE SOUTH LOOKING NORTHWEST AS YOU HEARD IT DESCRIBED. THE BUILDING YEARS CARLISLE AND ITS L-SHAPED FOOTPRINT WITH THE URBAN SPACE TO CREATE A CONTINUITY OF THE INTERIOR LARGER ARCHITECTURAL GESTURE ON THE TWO SITES. COMING FROM THE SOUTH AS I MENTIONED, THE BUILDING BECOMES A MARKER ON THE PONTE VEDRA SCENIC FOUR-DOOR WORKING ALONG THE BOULEVARD. HERE IS A VIEW FROM THE CLUB. AGAIN, LOOKING ACROSS TO SEE KEY ARCHITECTURAL INTENDED ELEMENT. IF I WERE TO BACK UP A BIT TO JUST STYLISTIC TO MEDICALLY INSPIRATION FOR THE BUILDING, THE BLEND OF SOME OLD WORLD TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND BALCONIES AND TYPICAL TRADITIONAL DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST MODERN AND CLEAN SET OF ROOF LINES STUCK TO THE WALLS AND BE GIVEN A COMPLIMENTARY CLOSE ALL THE NEW STYLES. AND FROM THE INTERIOR LOOKING AT AGAIN, WE SEE THE CAREFUL TREATMENT OF THE EDGES OF THE BUILDING FEATURING LIGHT AND SHADE AND LIVENING THE FAC'ADE AGAIN, DISGUISING THE GARAGE BEHIND THE APPROACH ON THE BULL. THIS IS THE BUILDING FROM THE INTERIOR PARKING LOT.

THIS IS LOOKING NORTHEAST. YOU SEE THE GARAGE IS, A SIMPLE PRECAST STRUCTURE ADDING THE DESIGN ELEMENTS AND ARCHITECTURE ÃÃAND ALSO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT WERE DETAIL AND INTEREST AND MAKE THE ENRICHMENT IN MORE DETAILED ELEMENTS.

>> MADAM CHAIR? >> YES SORRY. NEVER PROSPER.

>> EXCUSE ME SIR PREVIOUS REQUEST ON THE BOARD FOR YOU. >> YES MA'AM, I APOLOGIZE.

>> GOT A QUESTION. ABOUT YOUR PARKING GARAGE. >> THE POINT IS TO ASK AND ANY

GIVEN LEVEL, RIGHT? >> A TOTAL OF FOUR PARKING LEVELS.

>> GROUND-LEVEL POST RELAX. THAT'S WHY AT THE POINT OF YEAR THE CLUB IS THE PARKING GARAGE 30 FIVE FEET TALL? PART OF THE THERE THAT WE COME UP WITH IS WHY THIS PARKING GARAGE IS JUST TOO TALL. BUT ÃÃYOU CAN DO PARKING GARAGE AT 30 20 BETA CLUB.

>> IS A CAPACITY OF RECORD. THERE'S A NUMBER PARKING SPACES WE ARE VENTURING TO ACHIEVE

WITH THE GARAGE ALTOGETHER. THE ADS DO. >> WE ARE ALSO DEFICIENT SIR.

>> IT DOESN'T ADD TO THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE. >> THE TOWERS START TOWERS JUST HEIGHT.SOMEONE TO CONTINUE THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING. AND HAVE SORT OF A CONTINUITY OF EXCELLENT ELEVATION. THERE IS ALSO AN INTERNAL LIBERATION WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE SECOND DECK. SO THAT WILL LINE THE THIRD FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.

SO YOUR RETRIEVABLE HEIGHTS OF THE ORDERS TO DO THAT AS WELL. >> BEING SEVERELY CRITICIZED FOR HAVING A 55 FOOT TALL BUILDING.UMEROUS TIMES. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND MONTHLY

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SO THERE'S THREE TRIES ÃÃTHE HEIGHT WE'RE TALKING SEXUAL ELEMENT TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE

ÃÃTHAT'S THE DECK. >> FROM TURNING YOURSELF. YOU TALK ABOUT THE STRUCTURE BEING 30 FEET TALL HAVING START TOWERS AND ELEVATOR SHAFTS AN ADDITIONAL 10 OR 12 FEET ÃÃ THAT'S ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS AND GOT A 55 FOOT TALL PARKING GARAGE FOR.

>> ÃTHIS MAY HAVE MISSPOKEN HIM THINKING AND TALKING ABOUT A 55 FOOT IN THE SUN.

>> ARE ASKING FOR PARKING GARAGE TO BE 55 FEET TALL. >> THINK BUILDING 55 FEET TALL.

>> NO, BOATBUILDING SPEAKER ASKING FOR MULTIPLE LINKS TO BE 55 FEET TALL.

AND THAT IS SO IF I LIVE IN CARLISLE LOOKING AT A PARKING DECK THAT'S DOWN THE LEVEL OF THE THIRD DECK AND PROBABLY 32 FEET ÃTHIS IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THAN LOOKING AT THE

LEVEL OF THE PARKING GARAGE THAT 55 FEET. >> YES.

I AGREE. SO YOU'RE HURTING YOURSELF WITH THE WAIVERS WORDED THIS PROJECT. THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF MOST EXCITED ABOUT BY THE WAY.

BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU'RE DESIGNING ÃÃYOU BE ABLE TO SELL. AND RIGHT NOW ÃÃIT'S CAN BE HARD TO SELL THE PARKING GARAGE

AT 55 FEET TALL. >> SO ÃÃI AGREE. TRYING TO CLARIFY JUST BECAUSE.

>> [INDISCERNIBLE] TO SAY.

>> FROM CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING DONE.

>> I AGREE IF THE FOUNTAIN HANDRAIL IS A 35 OR 30 FEET TALL AND YES, WE NEED TO START TOWERS AND ELEVATOR SHAFTS. IT'S ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LOOK TO THE PARKING GARAGE THAN A 55

FOOT TALL BLOCK. >> I COMPLETELY AGREE. >> OKAY.

I AGREE. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR TO ADD THAT POINT THAT'S GREAT DIRECTION AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ADD THAT TO THE PUD TO CLARIFY THAT BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT STEPS TO THE BOARD FOR THAT SPECIFIC DEFINITION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENCES.

>> I THINK BECAUSE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, I THINK IT SHOULD BE DIFFERENTLY.

YES. AS MAN. AGAIN ÃÃSEESMIC PREDATORY CONTRACT. THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT I'M REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT.

SO IF YOU CAN ADD A FORM DECK SYSTEM ON THE PONTE VEDRA CLUB THAT ALLOWS 26 PERCENT GROWTH IN TOTAL PARKING AND YOU CAN ADD A 55 FOOT FOUR LEVEL DECK THE EDGE OF HER 220 PERCENT IN OVERALL PARKING, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU LOWER THAT. MEAN ÃÃIF THE GROUP HAS HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AND HAS MADE CONCESSIONS IN THE HEIGHT OF STRUCTURES PEOPLE FEEL SO PASSIONATELY ABOUT ÃÃAND TO NOT TAKE THIS PROJECT WITH THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT TO CONSIDERATION THE SAME MINDSET AND CONCESSIONS FOR HEIGHT AND ENTITY ÃÃI HAVE A HARD TIME SUPPORTING THE WAIVER FOR BUILDING. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS THEM EQUALLY IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY STRUCTURES IS SPECIAL THEY ARE BOTH SYSTEMS.

>> DULY NOTED. >> THE QUESTION I HAVE PARKING GARAGE IS THAT THE PARKING GARAGE EXTENDS FURTHER WEST THAN TELL BUILDING TO BE CARLISLE'S MIND.

PROJECTS DONE THAT ARE ÃÃLET ME SEE.O THE PEOPLE ÃÃYES. SO ÃÃTHE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE FAR WEST CORNER OF THE CARLISLE ÃÃTHEY LOOK TO THE SOUTH.

ALL THEY SEE IS A PARKING UNTIL THE END. I AM NOT ÃÃBASED ON THE HIGH END, I WOULD GUESS MAYBE THE TOP FLOOR OF THE CARLISLE THE OTHER STORIES BELOW IT

STORIES BELOW WOULD BE JUST AT THE PARKING GARAGE. >> YES MA'AM.

IT'S ACCURATE. >> THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT PART OF THE PARKING GARAGE IS LOCATED OUR ZONING. ALSO ÃÃTHERE COULD BE A 35 FOOT TALL BUILDING CONSTRUCTED

NEXT TO THE CARLISLE TODAY SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE CARLISLE. >> I UNDERSTAND.

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AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE'S ANY POSSIBILITY OF ABOVE THE PLACE WHERE DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT.T SEEMS THAT PROBLEMATIC AND EVEN FOR PEOPLE ARE DRIVING ALONG DON'T

LIVE IN THE CARLISLE ÃÃIT'S PARTICULARLY ATTRACTIVE SITE. >> MANAGER, JUST ASK ONE MORE QUESTION. IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU CHOSE NOT TO TAKE THIS SAME DESIGN CONCEPT WITH THE PARKING GARAGE LODGE AND MAKE COMMERCIAL SPACE? I LOOKED AT THE VIEW ÃÃIF YOU COMPARE THE PARKING STRUCTURE AT THE CLUB ÃÃWHICH SHOWS BUT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A RESTAURANT SHOPS AND IT LOOKS VISUALLY PLEASING ÃÃI LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS. IT HAS A GOOD CHARACTER TO IT. I THINK DOESN'T LIKE A PARKING GARAGE. IS THERE A REASON WHY THE SAME CONCEPT WASN'T GIVEN TO THE LODGE PARKING STRUCTURE? I MEAN I KNOW DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME FOOT TRAFFIC AND SO FORTH ÃÃBUT I THINK THERE'S JUST TOO TOTALLY DIFFERENT APPEARANCES FOR SIMILAR

STRUCTURES. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? >> NOT TO SPEAK FOR THE ARCHITECT, BUT I WILL SPEAK WE ARE TRYING TO LIMIT THE USE TEXT AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING THIS PARTICULAR SITE. SO NOT IN CONTACT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT AND WE UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT AND OTHER POINTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS THAT WE NEED TO DO MORE PROTECTION TREATMENT AND STUDY. BUT JUST TELLING HIM FROM PAIN 'S PERSPECTIVE REALLY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A REPLACEMENT FITNESS FACILITY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. BUT WE DID NOT WANT TO INCLUDE LOAD RESORT COMMERCIAL OFFICE

KINDS OF USES. >> POLITIC TO THE CONTRARY MAN. AS A MEMBER OF THE LODGE, WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT HAVE MORE USE OVER THERE. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE RESTAURANTS OPPORTUNITIES AND SHOPPING OPPORTUNITIES. I THINK IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC FOR THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE LODGE. AND TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT NEEDED WORK DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT AND WANT TO PUT UP STRUCTURE BUT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF CURB APPEAL AS THE CLUB ONLY DOESN'T JUST DO THIS JUSTICE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AROUND THE AREA WHO HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WITH NOT THE SAME TYPE OF

CONTEXT. >> NOTED. >> YOU HAVE ANY ÃÃI SUPPOSE YOU DON'T. RENDERINGS OF THE PUBLIC FROM THE CARLISLE PARKING GARAGE? BECAUSE I KNOW WE HEARD SOME COMMENT THAT THAT WILL PEOPLE ON THEIR DECK ON THE PATIOS WOULD BE RATED THAT WALL. WHETHER IT'S 35 FEET FROM THE ESCAPED AREA LOWER THAN THE CARLISLE 40 FIVE FEET FROM THE CURRENT DEFINITION, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE LIKE 60.

>> WE DO NOT HAVE THOSE NUMBERS AT THE MOMENT WE ARE WORKING ON SEVERAL SUPPORTING RECORDS SHOWING VIEWS FROM THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY. ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS THE WEST

THE BOARD. >> EXPECT LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THIS.

WORKING IN BASED ON THE DRAWING. THERE ARE EIGHT UNITS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CARLISLE. THE UNITS ON THE EAST SIDE ORDER UNITS ACTUALLY HAVE LIVING ROOM WINDOWS THAT KIND OF FACE UP TO ABOUT WITH THE POOL IS.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE UNITS ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER ÃÃ THEY WOULD GET THAT'S JUST THEY WOULD LOSE ABOUT 40 45 DEGREES OF THE REVIEW. THEY WOULD HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SOUTH SOUTHWEST BEAUTIFUL SOUTH. ON THE ÃÃON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER ÃÃI THINK THERE'S ONLY FOUR WINDOWS ON THE WALL. THE VIEW FROM THE LIVING LISTED EAST TO THE WEST. FOUR WINDOWS WOULD BE LOOKING STRAIGHT AT THE PARKING GARAGE.

SO THAT'S BASED ON WHERE THIS IS LOCATED. FIGURING THAT THEY PROBABLY THE BUILDING GO ABOUT WHERE THE EDGE OF THE POOL IS RIGHT NOW. SO ÃÃTOOK THE STRONG TRY TO

LAY IT OUT. THANK YOU. >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS I KNOW THAT THERE ARE TOWN HOUSES TO THE SOUTH. YOU KNOW? ACROSS THE PARKING LOT OF THE AREA AND TODAY IS WHERE THEY SEE FROM THOSE TOWNHOUSES? ? THE JUST SEE THE PARKING GARAGE?> TO SEE THE PARKING GARAGE TO SOME DEGREE, BUT THERE'S A BIT OF VEGETATION THE SITE INTERIOR LANDSCAPING OF

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APARTMENT. >> IS FROM APOLLO. PRINTING ABOUT THE VEGETATION AND I APPRECIATE HAVING BIG TREES TREES. BUT YOU'RE CLOSE TO THE BEACH.

AS WE LEARNED WITH THE PONTEVEDRA PARKING LOT WHEN YOU CAN REALLY PLANT AND SURVIVE.

YOU CAN OF PALM TREES. SO ÃÃI COULD HAVE A FULL FOLIAGE OR SOMETHING GOING THERE IT'S EXTREMELY CLOSE TO THE BEACH. JUST CANNOT MAKE IT.

>> THE CLOSEST UNIT IS ABOUT 400 YARDS AWAY. THE WIND, STUCK INTO THE WEST BETWEEN IT AND THE LODGE OF THE CENTER IS THE RETENTION POND, WHICH IS GROWN OVER IT.

IT'S LIKE A JUNGLE. YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT. SO æ

>> OKAY ÃÃAS ANYONE CAN ASK ME [INDISCERNIBLE] BOULEVARD PREDICTION ACTUALLY FLY DRONE AND MAKE PHOTO SYMPTOMS OF THE SHED FROM THE CARLISLE AS WELL AS FROM THE TOWNHOUSES TO GET A BETTER DEPICTION OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK

LIKE. >> TONY SHOWS UP HIS EARLY ENTRY ON THE QUESTIONS.

BUT ÃÃYES. WHY GUESS JAPAN OUTCOME I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE BURNETT CALLED A BALLOON STUDY. THE GUESSING THAT AT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BEFORE.

BUT SIMILAR WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FROM ACROSS THE PONTEVEDRA BY THE SEA, THE BACKSIDE CERTAINLY AS WELL. I'M GONNA ECHO MY NOBODY ELSE'S COMMENTS HERE THAT IT LOOKS TO ME BECOME AN ARCHITECT. THAT YOU GUYS ARE ÃÃTHEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DIVISION BETWEEN THE LODGE. THE LOOK OF THE LODGE AND THE LOOK OF THE UNIT SPOT.