Sep 07, 2023 Planning and Zoning Agency

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FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC O WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDE GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AN JUSTICE FOR ALL. SPINNING ALL RIGHT MEGAN WOULD YOU PLEASE

READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE. >> THIS THE PROBABLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING WITH REQUIREMENT OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WIL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELATIVE TO THE AGENCY'S JURISDICTION, AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE MEETING. AND MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MUST COMPLETE A CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. SPEAKER CARDS MA BE TURNED INTO THE STAFF. THE PUBLIC SHOPPING AT A TIME ON EACH MEETING ITEM AND POINTED TIME AS THEY BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH WILL BE THREE MINUTES. THEY SHOULD IDENTIFY THE HIMSELF AND STAY THERE ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. IF THEY DO NOT THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TREATMENT OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO PULL IN THE DECISION WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING SAYS PURSE WILL NEED A REQUISITE FOR PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO HAV A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE FOR THE TESTIMONY EVIDENCE , AND ANY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING PHOTOGRAPHS OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF FOR THE RECOR . THE RECORDS WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR THE RECORD ACCOUN AT ANY REVIEW OF APPEAL RELATED TO THE ITEM. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED TO ASKED SPEAKERS ABOUT EACH ITEM AND SHE STATED THAT IF AT ANY COMMUNICATIONS WITH ANY PERSON REGARDING THE ITEM OUTSIDE OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATIONS HAVE OCCURRED THE AGENCY MEMBERSHIP SHALL IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL INVOLVED. YOU WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN YOU DISAGREE. WE WILL AVOI PERSONAL ATTACKS.

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>> I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE OPEN TH FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. NUMBE 1 THE PUBLIC ERIE WOODLAWN APARTMENTS AND REZONING 2023 IS GOING TO BE RESCHEDULED AND WILL BE RE-ADVERTISE. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THOSE ITEMS? I'M GOING TO JUMP TO ITEM NUMBER 3 . THE CITY APICAL OR STAFF WANT TO FILL US IN ON WHAT IS GOING ON?

>> I CAN FILL YOU IN. THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION THAT CREATED AN ADVERTISING ISSUE SO IT HAS NOT BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. IT I REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT BE

MOVED TO THE SECOND MEETING. >> DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN REGARD T THIS ITEM. IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN THE MOTION. DO YOU WANT TO COME AND TALK? [INAUDIBLE]

>> IS HER. >> MY NAME IS DAVID AND I LIVE AT CANDY COURT. THE HOUSE IS PROBABLY WITHIN A FOOTBALL FIELD OF THE DISTANCE OF THE PROPOSED WAREHOUSE. A SMALL BUILDING ON RACETRACK ROAD IN THE BODY OF THE [INAUDIBLE] PLANTATION . THE BUILDER IS ASKING FOR WAIVER WHICH IS BASICALLY A DEVELOPMENT OF SMALL OFFICE BUILDINGS. WHEN I FIRST GOT THE LETTER I PUT IT ON THE FACEBOOK GROUP AND GOT AN OVERWHELMINGLY NEGATIVE RESPONSE TO IT. I DON'T THINK

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THERE IS ANOTHER SELF STORAGE AREA AND THERE IS PLENTY OF STUFF THERE. THEY ARE PUTTING THIS TO A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS MATURE, A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

HOPE YOU GUYS WILL REJECT THIS REQUEST AND PRESERVE THE

INTEGRITY. >> IS OR ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT. THAN YOU.

>> I DON'T WANT TO ADDRESS THA ACTUALLY IN THE HEARING , AND IT IS JUST A CONTINUOUS AND WE WILL PRESENT AT THE SECOND

MEETING IN OCTOBER. >> SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE COMMITTEE. SAID NO, YOU ARE NO HEARING ANYTHING.

>> IS THERE A MOTION SO HENR MOVED TO CONTINUE TO THE SECON MEETING IN OCTOBER. SECONDED B MEGAN. ANY DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THOSE OPPOSE? THAT ITEM IS CONTINUED TO THE

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. I AM REPRESENTING CRAIG AND MELANIE OF 180 A RELA WAY IN ST.

JOHN'S. OFF OF RACETRACK ROAD. WE ARE REQUESTING A MINOR MODIFICATION IN THE TOTAL LOT COVERAGE FROM 55% UP TO 60%.

WE ARE LOOKING TO DO , [INAUDIBLE], REMINDING ALL SETBACKS WITH WATER'S EDGE AND EQUIPMENT, WE ARE ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE LOT COVERAGE T ACCOMMODATE LARGER PATIOS AS WE HAVE SEVEN KIDS AND WE WILL BE RETAINING FAMILY GATHERINGS THERE. WE NEED EXTRA PATIO SPACE OUT THERE. THE YARD IS SLOPED ABOUT 24 INCHES FROM THE HOUSE TO UP TO 18 MILES 20 FEE OFF THE HOUSE. WE WILL NEED SOM ATTENTION AS WELL. HERE IS AN AERIAL MAP. KIND OF AN IRREGULAR SHAPED BACKYARD. IT IS NOT STRAIGHT AND KIND OF PINCHES IN TOWARD THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT. A LITTLE BIT UNDERSIZED AS THIS IS AROUND 9800 SQUARE FEET. AGAIN NO EASEMENTS OR ANYTHING . IT IS KIND OF A FUNKY SHAPED INTERIO LOT. THESE ARE ALL OF THE ZONING MAPS AND FEATURES MAPS. AGAIN JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF

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>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I JUST HAVE ONE. IT WAS CITE IN THE APPLICATION THAT THE LOT NARROWED TOWARD THE BACK OF TH LOT. I KNOW THE IT SLOPES DOWN 24 INCHES. ON THIS AERIAL I DON'T SEE WHERE IT NARROWS.

>> WHERE IT PEACHES IN LIKE A PENDANT SHAPE. IF YOU GO TO TH

FAR LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE LOT, >> SOMEBODY COULD SAY THE LOT WIND TOWARD THE BACK. OKAY THANKS.

>> ANYONE ELSE? >> I HAVE A QUESTION SIR. IS THE DECK INCLUDE ? IF IT INCLUDED IN THE RATIO PROVIDED? INCLUDED IN THE RATIO TO THE CALCULATIONS IN THE RED BOX.

>> [INAUDIBLE] >> WE WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AND PROBABLY BE BACK IN HERE ASKING FOR VARIANC FOR 300 SOMETHING FEET. WE FIGURE WE WOULD DO IT ALL AT TH SAME TIME AND DO IT RIGHT. IT IS A LITTLE TRICKY THERE IS SOM SLOPE TO THE YARD. WHEN WE ARE SETTING THAT RETAIN THE AROUND THE DECK AREA, JUST TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE IN UNISON IS VERY CONDUCIVE TO THE BETTER CONSTRUCTION. SAY THAT WE DID WHAT WE COULD AND THEY ADDED T THAT CONTAINMENT AND ADD MORE DECKING AND WOULD SAY PROBABLY WOULD ASK FOR.

>> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THIS? OKAY.

WE GO BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. HENRY.

>> I SORT OF WANT TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE STAFF. THE BAC OF THE SLOT I WANT TO SAY IT IS V-SHAPED. WITH THE STAFF CONSIDER THIS A NON-COMPLETE LOT BECAUSE IT IS NOT TOTALLY

RECTANGULAR LOT? >> NO SIR, IT IS NOT A NONCONFORMING LOT. IT DOES MEET THE STANDARD OF A PED.

>> OKAY. >> BACK TO A MOTION. MEGAN.

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>> IT MAKES BASED ON SEVEN FINDINGS ,

>> A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT SIR THAT MOTION PASSES. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 2. IS THERE ANY EXPERT TAKE ON COMMUNICATIONS ?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. MY NAME IS RUSSELL VINCE I'LL. I LIVE AT 350 ST. VINCENT DRIVE. I AM LOOKING FOR REQUEST FOR VARIANCE AND SETBACK OF THE AC UNIT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

HERE IS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLA SHOWN THE PROPERTY . THIS IS THE DRAWING WHERE I LIKE TO MOVE THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT U TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND IT THE AC UNIT ABOUT 50 FEET UP TO THE HOUSE ON THAT SIDE. I AM LOOKING FOR A FIVE FOOT SETBACK ON THAT SIDE. THI IS APPROVAL FROM THE COMMUNIT ITSELF APPROVING TO MOVE THIS EQUIPMENT TO THE SIDE , AND THIS IS ACTUAL NEIGHBOR WHO LIVES ON THAT SIDE RIDING IN A WRITING A LETTER THAT THEY SAI THEY HAVE NO DISAGREEMENT

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>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKERS. BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR MOTION.

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>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATIONS BASED ON SEVEN FINDINGS OF FACTS AND CONDITIONS.

>> HENRY. >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION. THAT MOTION PASSES 5-1. LET'S MOVE TO ITE

NUMBER 4. [INAUDIBLE]. >> WHO IS PRESENTING FOR ITEM

FOUR? >> GOOD AFTERNOON AND FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS KATIE AND I AM A PLANNER IN MY OFFICE ADDRESS IS 12140 CARISSA COMMO COURT. I AM REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT AND WITH ME TODAY I HAVE THE FOLLOWING EXPERTS WHO WILL BE PRESENTING AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS MARK SHELTON AND PROJECT MANAGER AT KIMBERLY HORN. THAT WE HAVE TONY DAWSO . THEN BRETT ANDERSON, GROUP MANAGER , AND THEN VICE PRESIDENT OF NEW BUSINESS TECHNOLOGY AT SPA WITH 30 YEAR OF INTERNATIONAL WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATION EXPERIENCE AN A FOCUS ON WIRELESS DESIGN AN ENGINEERING. AS WELL THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AT ALL-PRO CONSULTING GROUP WITH MASTERS DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING. FIRST IF I MAY I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT INTO THE

RECORD THE RECIPE. >> WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVE

TO MISTER SHELTON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MARK SHELTON. AS KATIE MENTIONED I AM A CERTIFIED PLANNER AND I A THE PLANNER FOR THIS PROJECT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW. YOU CAN SEE ON THE AERIAL RIGHT NOW ON THE CORNER [INAUDIBLE]. THE ADDRESSED IS 4400 HELENA STREET. THE ZONING HAS A RURAL SUBCULTURE LAND DEGRADATION AN IS ABOUT AN ACRE IN SIZE. IT I PROPOSED TO BE AT 250 FOOT STANDALONE SELF-APPOINTED TOWER AS KATIE MENTIONED APPLETON IS SPA TOWERS. BEFORE I HANDED OVER TO TONY THIS TOWER WILL HOLD FOUR OF THE CARRIERS WITH ONE OF THEM BEING T-MOBILE WHO HAS A VOID IN COVERAGE IN THIS AREA. THEIR ANTENNA WILL BE 24 FEET ABOVE GROUND LEVEL. I WIL GIVE THIS TO TONY SO HE CAN GO OVER THE DESIGN AND PLAN OF THE

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PROJECT. >> HELLO MY NAME IS TONY DAWSON. I LIVE AT 201 N. FRANKLIN STREET. AS MARK AND KATIE MENTIONED I AND THE PROJECT MANAGER OF THIS PROJECT TO TALK ABOUT THE SITE DESIGN AND TO GO OVER A HIGH-LEVEL VIEW OF THE TOWER ITSELF. YOU SEE IT AS AN IRREGULAR SHAPED COMPOUND AND THE REASON WHY WE HAD THAT IS TO AVOID SOME OF TH EXISTING VEGETATION. ALSO THE TOWER IS LOCATED IN THE SPOT T TRY AND GET IT TO MEET THE SETBACKS REQUIRED. I KNOW THER HAS BEEN QUESTIONS ON SECURITY. THE TOWER IS IN A COMPOUND THA IS A SIX FOOT CHAIN FENCE WITH ONE FOOT OF BAR WIRE ON TOP.

IT IS ALL LOCKED . THERE SHOULD BE ANYBODY GOING INTO IT.

NORMALLY THE SITES DO NOT HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS. IN THIS CASE THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THAT AND SP HAS AGREED TO IMPLEMENT THE SECURITY CAMERA TO KEEP ANYWHERE IN -- ANYONE AWAY FROM THE AREA. I KNOW SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. TALK ABOUT THE ARE ITSELF TOO, THE LANDSCAPING, W ARE NOT REALLY REMOVING ANY EXISTING TREES. THERE IS SOME VEGETATION IN THE AREA. SOME BUSHES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

WE HAD THE TREE SURVEY COMPLETE AND TO THE NORTH AND A COUPLE TO THE SOUTH. AS YOU CAN SEE AROUND THE COMPOUND WE ARE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL TREES AND SHRUBS AROUND THE COMPOUND I BELIEVE THERE IS A PROXIMALL 33 CYPRESS TREES GOING AROUND TO HELP HIDE SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT. THE ACCESS ROAD WILL BE COMING OFF OF THAT SID ROAD THERE. IT WILL BE DESIGNE FOR ALL THE LOCAL DESIGN REQUIREMENTS GIVING ACCESS. A THAT TIME THAT IS PRETTY MUCH ALL THAT I HAVE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON BRETT ANDERSON. WE WAS BROUGHT IN TO DO THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW ON THE SUBJECT SITE AND SPECIFICALLY WE WAS DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHECKLIST REVIEW.

IT REQUIRES ANY FEDERAL UNDERTAKING TO UNDERGO AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW TO ENSURE NO DETRIMENTAL IMPACT TO THE RESOURCES OCCUR. IT IS A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT WILL ULTIMATELY BE LICENSED BY THE FCC, FEDERAL COMMUNICATION COMMISSION. TO DO THIS IT IS ESSENTIALLY A CHECKLIST OF THE FCC FOR VARIOUS ENVIRONMENTAL ITEMS THAT WE REVIEWED. LIKE THIS IS PROJECT LOCATED WITHIN FAIRLY DESIGNATED RESERVE AREA OR WILDLIFE. WE DO A THOROUGH CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW SO THAT INVOLVES GOING ON SITE PERFORMING SUB SERVICE TESTING.

WE DO A REVIEW FOR HER STORE PROPERTY TO SEE IF THIS WOULD HAVE A VISUAL IMPACT ON ANYTHIN AS ELIGIBLE ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER. WE HAVE IN CASE OF PUBLIC THROUGH AN ADVERTISEMEN , AND THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT. ALSO WE HAVE LET THE KNOW THIS IS PART OF SECTIO 106, AND WE PERFORM ALL OF THOSE ACTIVITIES AND DETERMINE NO EFFECT ON THOSE PROPERTIES.

THEY REVIEWED IT AND CONCURRED WITH OUR FINDINGS THAT THERE WILL BE NO EFFECT ON THE RESOURCES AS WELL. WE ALSO CONSULTED WITH NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES AS THERE WAS SIX TRIBES THAT HAD A POTENTIAL TO COMMEN ON THESE PROJECTS. OUT OF THE

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THIS WAS EARLY ON IN THE DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS. WE WENT OUT AND DELINEATE THE EXTENT OF THOSE WETLANDS BASED ON CURREN STATE AND FEDERAL WETLAND METHODOLOGIES AND PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION TO THE TEAM. THE TEEN DESIGNED AROUND THOSE WETLANDS TO AVOID ANY IMPACT. THAT IS WHAT WE SAW ON THE DRAWING THAT WE DID IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE COMPOUND. IN ADDITION WE ARE NO ABORTING THEM BUT PROVIDING A 25 FOOT BUFFER AND ON TOP OF THAT THERE IS THAT 10 FOOT WID LANDSCAPE BUFFER. 35 FEET OFF THE LINE AND NO STATE PERMITTING OR FEDERAL PERMITTIN REQUIRED. ALL THAT INFORMATION WAS COMPILED AND WE WENT THROUGH THE CHECKLIST AND THE ANSWER WAS NO TO EVERYTHING AND WE WILL NOT HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH ANY FURTHER CONSULTATION, AND THE FCC PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION TO THE APPLICANT. ALL OF THIS INFORMATION INCLUDING THE CONCURRENCE LETTE AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE SPECIAL PIECE PERMITTED APPLICATION. THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL. WILL GO AHEAD AND HANDED OFF

[INAUDIBLE]. >> IF I MAY, KATIE AGAIN FOR THE RECORD THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THAT ALL SPEAKERS BE

SWORN IN . >> WITHOUT OBJECTION WE CAN DO THAT. WOULD EACH OF THE PEOPLE RUNNING TESTIMONY TODAY STAND UP AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. IF ANYBODY WHO IS PROVIDING TESTIMONY, DO YOU SWEAR TO TEL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY ? YOU ARE SWORN WILL TURN IT OVER TO [INAUDIBLE].

>> DOES SOMEBODY HAVE THEIR PHONE ON ? IF YOU HAVE YOUR PHONE ON PLEASE TURN IT ON SILENCE. I KEEP HEARING A DEAN FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY T TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TOWER AND TALK ABOUT IT MORE FROM A COVERED STANDPOINT.

>> YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?

>> I'M SORRY MY APOLOGIES. I WORK FOR A NETWORK SERVICES AN I AM VICE PRESIDENT FOR TECHNOLOGY AND OPERATIONS. MY BACKGROUND IS IT IS 30 YEARS O EXPERIENCE AND I AM WORKING IN WIRELESS IN THE UNITED STATES AND INTERNATIONALLY. MY ADDRES IS 805 CONGRESS AVENUE. WE DID LOOK AT THE EXISTING TOWER AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED TOWER AND OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO ENSURE THAT WE PROVIDE AS MUCH COVERAG FOR THE RESIDENTS AS POSSIBLE.

THAT WAS THE OBJECTIVE OF DOIN THIS STUDY AND ENSURING WHEN I COMES TO 5G SERVICES. THE TENETS OF THE TOWER IS ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT COVERAGE. WAY THA WE DO IT IS WE LOOK AT WHAT IS THE COVERAGE AND WHAT IS THE EXPERIENCE TODAY? HOW IS THAT EXPERIENCE GOING TO BE IF THE NEW TENANT COMES IN WITH EXISTING OR A NEW TOWER. WHEN WE DID THAT THE FIRST THING THA WE DID IS WE WENT AND WE LOOKE AT LIVE DATA. WE WORK WITH COMPANIES THAT ACTUALLY COLLECTED DATA FROM USERS THAT ARE USING THE SERVICE. THAT DATA IS COLLECTED FROM THE

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YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO PENETRATE HIGHER AS WELL. I WILL GO BACK TO MY PRESENTATION THIS WAS THE SAME VERSION BUT NOT SO VISIBLE. THAT IS WHY I WAS ACTUALLY SHOWING IT IN THE MAP. I SKIPPED TO A COUPLE OF THE SPOTS. YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IF THE CARRIER IS BELOW THE FIRST THEN THAT COVERAGE WOULD BE EVEN MORE SPOTTY. THE HIGHER YOU GO TO THE TOP THE BETTER COVERAGE BECAUSE THE BETTER RANGE YOU GET. THE LOWER YOU COME THE COVERAGE BECOMES MUCH MORE LIMITED. THE OBJECTIVE IS NOT TO SERVE THE SAME RESIDENT OR FEWER RESIDENTS THAN WHAT YOU'RE SERVING BUT RATHER MORE AND IT COMES ALL THE WAY SOUTH AS STRAIGHT AS POSSIBLE. THAT IS REALLY WHAT WE HAVE DONE.

THAT WE ACTUALLY DID PLOTS AND SAID OKAY WE WILL MAP AND USE THE DATA THAT WE HAVE. FROM THE CROWDSOURCING USING OUR TOOLS AND SHOW YOU HOW MUCH THE COVERAGE WOULD BE. THAT VERSUS HAVING TO USE EXISTING ONES VERSUS THE CURRENT ONE. OF COURSE THE COUNTY RETAINED A CONSULTANT , AND THEY SAID THA OUR ANALYSIS WAS SUBSTANTIALL ACCURATE. THEY DID CONFIRM ON THE MODELS THAT WE USE THE DATA AND THE TECHNIQUES. WE USE THE INDUSTRY STANDARD USED BY VERIZON AND MAJOR CARRIERS. I IS VERY MUCH INDUSTRY STANDARD. YOU CAN SEE IN THESE PLOTS, WHAT YOU SEE IN THE BLUE AND TH GREEN THAT IS REALLY GOOD COVERAGE. AS YOU GET TO THE RED THAT COVERAGE IS DECENT. NOW WHAT YOU SAW ON THE MAPS WAS WORSE COVERAGE THAN WHAT YOU AR SEEING HERE. ALL THE RED SPOTS WERE WORSE THAN THIS. THE REASON IS WITH OUR STUDY WHAT W SAW IS THE COVERAGE, THE COVERAGE WOULD BE MUCH MORE BUT EXTENT [INAUDIBLE] IF HE WAS

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THAT IS REALLY WHAT WE ARE DOIN HERE. IF YOU LOOK AT 700 MEGAHERTZ, AND IS YOU GET 2100 MEGAHERTZ, AND WHAT THE SEC AUCTION RECENTLY INVOLVED ABOUT VERIZON, THERE AS WELL THE COVERAGE IS LESS THAN THE COVERAGE BACTRIM, BUT EVEN THERE YOU CAN SEE THE COVERAGE WAS 67-69%. IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN COVERAGE WHICH IS WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE , TO COVER AS MANY MORE RESIDENTS AS PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE MUCH MOR BROADBAND SERVICE AND MUCH MORE 5G EXPERIENCE. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO WATCH TV IN YOUR HOMES. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO OFFER SERVICES AND GET TO AS MANY, EVEN YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICE THAT GO ON 5G NOW. THAT IS REALLY WHAT WE ARE SHOWING AND PRESENTING. THESE ARE THE PLOT THAT HAVE ATTACHED WITH THOSE COVERAGE PREDICTIONS. WE HAVE DONE THE MODELS AND SHOWING YOU DIFFERENT MODELS. WE HAVE SHOWN EFFECTIVELY THE SAME THING. IT COMPARED TO 210 FEET ON THE COUNTY TOWER, AND WE HAVE 230 FEET AND IN EITHER CASES YOU CAN SEE IT LED THEY SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT IN COVERAGE. IT REALLY MEANS THAT MORE MORE RESIDENTS WILL BE HAVING A GREATER EXPERIENCE WHICH IS WHAT I SUBMIT FOR THE GREATER GOOD AND FOR THE RESIDENTIAL BUSINESS. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE, THERE WAS ONE OF THE TOPIC IF I MAY. THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT 5G RELATED TO RADIATION. WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IS WHAT THE ORGANIZATION HAS DONE AND WHAT THE FCC AND FDA, AND WHAT DIFFERENT ENTITIES HAVE STUDIED. ACROSS TECHNOLOGIES WHEN WE STARTED COMPARED TO THAT 5G RADIATION , THEY WAS REDUCED AND IN 5G THEY WAS REDUCED EVEN FURTHER. AS WE CAN SEE THE TWO BARS, ON FROM THE RIGHT IT IS NOT EVEN 1 OR HALF % OF WHAT THE RADIATIO SHOULD BE. IT IS SO LOW THAT I IS INSIGNIFICANT. LESS THAN ANYTHING THAT YOU USE AT HOME, ANY OF YOUR GADGETS THAT YOU US AT HOME. THEY HAVE MORE RADIATION THAN 5G. FROM THE TOWER. IT IS ABSOLUTELY IN NO WAY CAUSING ANY RADIATION OR AN HARM TO ANYBODY. THE HEIGHT IS SO SUBSTANTIAL. THIS IS ALL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DATA AND NO SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE PRODUCED AS DATA. WHEN IT COMES TO RADIATION. I THINK WITH THAT

WILL HAND IT BACK. >> I THINK THERE WAS ONE OF TH TOPIC THAT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THIS MAY BE A GOOD TIME. WE DID LOOK AT THE CONSULTANT REPORT AS WELL AND IF I MAY

SWITCH TO THIS. >> WHAT WE WANT TO SHARE IS W DID APPRECIATE THE FACT ABOUT WHAT OMNICOM DID SAY. THIS I ACTIVE FROM THE REPORT ITSELF AND WE DO APPRECIATE THAT. THE

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ASSUMING THE SAME PARAMETER IS APPLIED USING THE DATA AND THE MODEL THAT WE HAVE COLLECTED. WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT IN COVERAGE AND BENEFITS FOR THE RESIDENTS. THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE AND THEN WE WILL STOP IN HERE. MAKE YOU SO MUCH AGAIN. THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE , IT IS THE CELL PHONE TOWERS ARE ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT BY SPECIAL USE THIS IS NOT REZONING AND WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR A NEW USE.

INSTEAD A USE THAT IS USUALLY ALLOWED WITH APPROPRIATE CONDITIONS. IT WILL NOT HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON ADJACENT OR SURROUNDING LANDINGS BECAUS IT DONE IN THE MID NOISE OR CAUSE VIBRATION POLLUTION OR TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC GENERATION IS A NONISSUE AND WILL NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT BECAUSE THIS IS AN UNMANNED FACILITY THAT GENERATES ABOUT ONE TRIP PER MONTH. THERE IS ADEQUATE HEALT FACILITIES FOR THIS USE.

THERE IS NO ACTIVITY HERE. IT IS COMPATIBLE BY MEANS OF THE FOLLOWING FACTOR. THEY IN DALLAS THE FACT THAT YOU NEED PROPER COVERAGE OVER RURAL AREAS. THE BUILDING LOCATION AND DIMENSIONS AND HEIGHT FOR THE AREA AND PARKING AND ACCES DRIVE AND SERVICE AREAS, WE AR NOT ASKING FOR ANY WAIVER OF THAT. NOT TO MENTION THERE IS ESSENTIALLY NO TRAFFIC WHICH WILL MEET THE FAA STANDARD. TH TOWER WILL NOT ALTER AND MEETS ALL SETBACK AND PUBLIC REQUIREMENTS. I APPRECIATE YOU TIME AND WE WILL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> BEFORE WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WANTED TO HAVE MISTER MANN SINGLE COME UP AND MAKE HIS PRESENTATION. I THINK AFTER HE MAKES HIS PRESENTATION I'M GOING TO ASK HIM TO TAKE ONE PODIUM AND THE APPLICANT TO TAK THE OTHER PODIUM SO THE

COMMITTEE CAN ASK QUESTIONS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM A CONSULTANT FOR THE COUNTY AND PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I'VE BEEN A WHILE COMMUNICATION FOR PROBABL ABOUT 17 YEARS. I DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION. THERE

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THIS SUBSTANTIAL SIZE. >> MISTER SHELTON DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP? IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. >> YOU SIR. FIRST OF ALL I WAN TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON PROBABL BELONGS APPLICATION WE HAVE EVER RECEIVED. IT TOOK SOME DOING TO GET THROUGH THAT AND DO APPRECIATE YOU WANTING TO EXTEND GREATER COVERAGE. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO FLAGLER ESTATES TO HAVE COVERAGE. BUT NOT ONE OF YOUR PEOPLE SAID THEY WILL BE SHRUB PLANTED IN OR AROUND OR OUTSID OF THE FENCE. I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SEEING A STRUCTURE THERE IN THE BASE OF THE TOWER. [INAUDIBLE] TOWER BEING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THERE IS SOME PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. I AM NOT GOING TO INTERRUPT THAT. I AM CURIOUS AND YOU KNOW I SEEM HOW MANY HOUSES ARE WITHIN 500

FEET OF THE TOWER. >> I THINK TONY DID SOME WORK

ON THAT. >> JUST TO SAVE TIME.

>> THERE ARE 10 HOUSES WITHIN THE RADIUS OF THIS. THIS HALF A COLLAPSE ON OF 45 FEET IN WHICH I FIND REMARKABLE THAT ENGINEERS CAN TAKE IT TOO UNFI FOR TOWER AND COLLAPSE IT INTO 45 FEET. I ASSUME NO CELL TOWERS HAVE EVER SNAPPED OR BROKEN OR EQUIPMENT CAME OFF I A HURRICANE.

>> THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR ALL OF THE HURRICANE SPEAS WITH BUILDING CODE ADDRESSES. CELL TOWERS ARE MADE TO WITHSTAND

HURRICANES. >> SO IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED.

>> IN THE 30-40 YEAR HISTORY,

>> IT IS RARE BUT YES. >> TOWERS DO FAIL AND EQUIPMENT DOES FALL OFF A TOWERS BUT IT I VERY RARE. I WOULD SAY VERY

RARE. >> OKAY. YOU STATED IN THE LAS SLIDE THAT YOU WAS SHOWING THA IT WILL NOT CAUSE A NUISANCE.

GUESS THAT DEPENDS ON IF YOU LIVE THERE AND YOU THINK A 250 FOOT TOWER IS A NUISANCE NEXT T YOUR HOUSE. IT COULD CAUSE A NUISANCE AND SOME PEOPLE'S MIND WE HAD ANOTHER CELL TOWER A WHILE BACK IN THE ALUMINUM PLANT AND MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ALL THAT. I THINK IT WAS THE SAME CONSULTANT THAT LOOKED AT THAT ONE. YOU SHOWED A NEED FOR IT AND WE APPROVED THAT ONE. BUT SHE WAS HIRED BY THE COUNTY AN YOUR REPORT TO ME IS FAIRLY CONVINCING AND DID SWAY ME. THIS TOWER IS NOT NEEDED AND I KNOW THAT IS NOT A QUESTION BUT THE QUESTION THAT I DID HAVE IS YOU SHOWED SOME OF THE TABLES WITH THE 700 MEGAHERTZ AND ALL THAT AND ENHANCE COVERAGE. I FOUND ONE THAT SAID T-MOBILE COVERAGE IS 700 MEGAHERTZ AND WOULD BE 9.98% GREATER OUTDOOR AND 9.3% GREATER IN THE BUILDING SUCH AS A HOUSE. SO I IS 10% OR LESS AND 4.4% IN THE CAR AND 3.42% IN THE BUILDING. TO ME THOSE ARE NOT OVERWHELMING.

>> MY COVERAGE AND IF TO TWO OF OUR ENGINEERS COME TOGETHER,

AND OUR MODEL, >> THANK YOU.

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>> FAIRLY SIMILAR TO HIS BUT GUESS MAYBE A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVE. THIS IS THE NUMBER THAT I CALCULATED, SLIGHTLY LESS DIFFERENCE IN HI NUMBER SUBPOPULATION, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY USED TO DELINEATE THE AREA. THAT WAS AREA THAT I USED AND THE COVER THAT IS GOING NORTH IN THE BUILDING ARE NOT SHOWN HERE. MY NUMBER STRICKLEN ARE THE

COVERAGE AREA TO THE SOUTH. >> :YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

AFTER HE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE PAGES I GUESS I GOT CONFUSED. THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT. I AM GLAD THAT ONE OF YOUR FIRST CONSULTANTS UP THERE HAVE 210 FOOT AND FINALLY WEN UP TO 230 SO I WAS GLAD ABOUT THAT. YOU HAVE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. LET ME ASK YOU WHAT WOULD BE THE COST OF A NEW TOWE

TO BUILD? >> I AM A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND OUR COMPANY ADDRESSES, AN I ANALYZE THE EXISTING COUNTY TOWER WITH THE PROPOSED T-MOBILE AND THE 5G UPGRADE THAT IS NECESSARY AND THE COUNTY TOWER WOULD BE OVERSTRESSED STRUCTURALLY. IT WOULD BE AROUND $95,000. THAT IS COMPARABLE TO A NEW TOWER CONSTRUCTION AND IN MY OPINION IT IS MORE PROBLEMATIC TO UPGRADE EXISTING COUNTY TOWERS BECAUSE KERRY WYNN NEED DOWNTIME TO THE EXISTING AREAS INCLUDING THE COUNTY TO THE SOUTH DURING THE MODIFICATIONS SOME OF THE MODIFICATION MAY NEED TO BYPASS EXISTING STRUCTURE, AND A NEW TOWER WOULD BE IN THE CODE BETTER AND SERVE ALL THE AREAS AND THE COMMITTEE WITH BETTER SERVICES.

>> WE CAME UP WITH THE 94,600 FIGURE TO UPGRADE THE COUNTY TOWER TO PROVIDE DECENT SERVICES. SO WHAT DID YOU SAY IT WOULD COST TO BUILD A NEW TOWER?

>> WE DID NOT ESTIMATE BUT TYPICALLY AND I DO NOT HAVE

THE EXACT KNOWLEDGE OF THAT . >> CAN YOU GUESS WHAT IT MIGHT

COST? >> I CAN PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION. I THINK BETWEEN 1000 AND $1200 A FOOT. I BID TOWERS ALL THE TIME. IF YOU CAN PUT ONE IN FOUR $95,000 I NEED TO STOP AND WORK FOR THEM. 250 FOOT SELF-SUPPORTING TOWER WITH

THE COMPOUND AND DEFENSE. >> THANK YOU.

>> I THINK THAT I HAD A FEW OTHERS HERE BUT I'M GOING TO WAIT UNTIL SOME PEOPLE SPEAK S THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. DOES ANYBODY ELS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE

APPLICANT ? >> I WILL WAIT UNTIL AFTER

PUBLIC HEARING. >> [INAUDIBLE]

>> THE EXISTING TOWER? IT DOES NOT. THAT IS WHY THEY NEED A TOWER IN THE AREA. I DON'T THIN AT&T OR VERIZON ARE ON THE TOWER RIGHT NOW. I GUESS PRESUMABLY IF THIS TOWER IS NO APPROVED THAT WOULD BE THERE NEXT BEST OPTION TO IMPROVE THE COVERAGE IN THE AREA. OVER PROBABLY ADD THAT EVEN THIS TOWER WILL NOT COVER ALL OF TH ESTATE AND AT SOME POINT THEY WILL PROBABLY STILL NEED ANOTHE TOWER. EVEN THEIR COVERAGE MAP

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>> MACON. >> WE BELIEVE IF THEY ADD, DO YOU BELIEVE IF THEY ADD TO THAT TOWER, THE COUNTY TOWER, THAT WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY IMPAC THE STRUCTURE OF THE TOWER?

>> THEY DID A LUMINARY ANALYSI BASED ON WHAT THE COUNTY GAVE THEM, AND HAVEN'T REALLY REVIEWED THE ANALYSIS. THEY SAID THEMSELVES THEY ESTIMATED THE HIGH-END AT 95,000 WORK T PROVIDE THE TOWER. THAT IS NOT AN EXTREME AMOUNT. ALSO YOU MENTIONED THEY WILL MODIFY A LOT OF TOWERS. I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT THE POTENTIAL THAT YOU MAY HAVE USED BUT TYPICALLY THEY CAN DO MODIFICATION TO TH TOWER WITHOUT TURNING IN

EQUIPMENT ON. >> WOULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU

MEANT BY THAT COMMENT? >> BASED ON THE PREVIOUS STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS, THE TOWER USAGE AT THAT TIME HAS ALREADY REACHED 95.5% STRUCTURALLY. BASICALLY YOU ADD A NEW CARRIER AND MOST OF THE TOWER, AND MOST WILL BE OVERSTRESSED AND WE NEED TO REPLACE ALL OF THOSE WITH A STRONGER MEMBER, PARTICULARLY ON THE TOP HALF OF THE TOWER WHERE THERE IS AN EXISTING MICROWAVE OWNED BY THE COUNTY AND IT COULD CAUSE SOM

INTERFERENCE, >> OKAY. THAT IS PART OF YOUR COST OF IMPROVING THE STRUCTURE IF YOU ARE PUTTING YOUR CELL PHONE AND COMMUNICATION ON THE TOWER , AND THE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD HELP THE TOWER BE MORE STABLE?

>> JUST TO BRING IT INTO CODE COMPLEX, AND IF THERE IS ANY FUTURE UPGRADES FROM OTHER CARRIERS , WE WILL PROVIDE TH ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS. [INAUDIBLE]

>> OKAY. >> TYPICALLY ALL THE TOWER MODIFICATIONS ONLY MAKE THE TOWER, YOU CANNOT BUILD THE TOWER AND SAY YOU WANT TO HAVE AN EXTRA 20%. IF THEY NEED TO DO MODIFICATIONS THEY WOULD DO THE MODIFICATION TO THE TOWER AND IF SOMEBODY ELSE COMES ALON AND WANTS TO GO ON THE TOWER DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS YOU MAY HAVE TO DEFY THE TOWER YET AGAIN. THERE ARE NOT MANY MORE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME ALONG

AND GO ON THE TOWER. >> IN LAYMAN'S TERMS WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN USING THE COUNTY'S TOWER AND THE COVERS THAT YOU WILL HAVE COMPARED TO THE NEW ONE ? IN LAYMAN'S TERMS HOW MUCH BETTER SERVERS WE GET BY NOT USING THE COUNTY?

>> I THINK IT DEPENDS UPON THE ELEVATION.

>> LIKE WE PRESENTED, THE COVERAGE INCREASES CLOSE TO 70 IN LAYMAN'S TERMS AND I WILL EXPLAIN WHY. THERE ARE A COUPL OF REASONS WHY. WE HAVE LOOKED TO THE AREA, NOTHING OUTSIDE O FLAGLER ESTATES. A COUPLE OF FACTORS. WHAT IS THAT THE EXISTING TOWER IS ABOUT .3 MILES NORTH OF THE PROPOSED SITE. IF YOU JUST LET EVERYTHING ELSE IS EQUAL IN LAYMAN'S TERMS YOU MOVE POINTS SOUTH AND INCREASED YOUR COVERAGE. EVEN BY DOING NOTHING THE SECOND THING IS THE HEIGHT I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE ASSUMPTIONS OF OMNICOM WAS WHEN THEY CONSIDER THE HEIGHT VERSUS THE NEW TOWER. THE HEIGHT OF THE ANTENNA IS LOWER ON THE EXISTING TOWER VERSUS THE NEW TOWER. IF IT IS 210 IT IS 35 FEET LOWER. THE HIGHER THAT YOU GO THE MORE COVERAGE. THE FURTHER THAT YOU CAN REACH.

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ESSENTIALLY CORRECT. >> THANK YOU.

>> RICHARD. >> HE WAS SAYING THERE WAS GOING TO BE A 70% INCREASE IN CELL PHONE COVERAGE. THIS DATA SHOWS SOMEWHERE UNDER 10% TO AROUND 3.5% DROP OFF. THAT SEEMS LIKE A MASSIVE DISCREPANC .

>> BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS A SMALL AREA OF COVERAGE TO BEGIN WITH. AT THE BOTTOM DOWN THERE A DIFFERENCE EVEN ON HIS CHART, OR 3.68 VERSUS 2.6 IN AREA OF COVERAGE. IF YOU MOVE FURTHER SOUTH YOU WILL HAVE COVERAGE GOING FURTHER SOUTH.

IT IS JUST MY COVERAGE AND MY SOFTWARE, SLIGHTLY I GUESS, AND IT IS ANYTHING THAT WOULD TROUBLE ME TO SAY THAT HE DID SOMETHING BLATANTLY WRONG. I FEEL LIKE HIS MODEL MAY BE TUNE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN MY MODEL. I TRUST MY MODEL BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONE THAT I USE. I GUESS YOU COULD SAY EVEN IF THEY ARE THE COUNTY'S TOWER , THE COVERAGE IS INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY. THAT WILL BE A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN THE USE THE COUNTY TOWER. WITH A HAVE SLIGHTLY MORE COVERAGE IF THEY

USE THE COUNTY TOWER? SURE. >> THE POINT THAT I WOULD TRY T MAKE IS T-MOBILE TODAY WOULD B BELOW EXISTING ,

>> I AM JUST ASKING QUESTIONS. >> THE CHAIR WILL DECIDE THAT.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS. SOMEONE HA STATED A LITTLE WHILE AGO THA IF THEY PUT THEIR T-MOBILE EQUIPMENT ON THE CURRENT EXISTING COUNTY TOWER THAT THERE WILL BE INTERFERENCE WIT YOUR EQUIPMENT AND WITH VERIZON AND AT&T. IS THAT TRUE? WOULD THERE BE SOME SIGNAL INTERFERENCE?

>> THAT WOULD BE AT AN ENGINEERING STUDY DONE PRIOR TO THAT TO ENSURE THERE IS NO INTERACTION AMONG THE CARRIER

AND THE COUNTY. >> CAN YOU STIPULATE THAT THE COUNTY TOWER EXISTING WAS BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE MORE THAN

TWO CARRIERS? >> YES. THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET SOME ODD YEARS AGO. THREE CARRIERS, ORIGINAL ENGINEERING.

MIGHT WANT TO ASK A QUESTION. >> IF YOU GO ON THE COUNTY TOWE WILL TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN THE COVERAGE ?

>> AT THAT QUESTION WAS TO ME I WOULD SAY IT WOULD NOT. ON THE COUNTY TOWER VERSE EATS -- VERSUS EXISTING CARRIERS.

T-MOBILE DOES NOT HAVE ANY COVERAGE. BUT THE POINT IS NOT THAT BUT IF YOU BRING IN A CARRIER DO YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE LESS COVERAGE THAN WHAT I TODAY IN THE COUNTY? THAT IS THE REAL QUESTION. IF YOU'RE GOING FROM ZERO EVEN ONE IS INFINITY. IF YOU ARE COMPARING TO AT& T SHOULD THE RESIDENTS HAVE MORE OPTIONS FOR RURAL COVERAGE? THAT IS REAL QUESTIO

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I WOULD SAY. >> I AM NOT TRYING TO INTERRUPT BUT THAT MAY BE THE FIRST TIME HAVE EVER HEARD THAT ARGUMENT.

THEY ARE ON THE TOWER ALREADY AND IT IS HARD TO MAKE AN ART THAT EACH CARRIER HAS TO HAVE EQUAL COVERAGE FOR EVERY SITE.

THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. >> BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT T-MOBILE COVERAGE WOULD BE LESS THAN AT&T COVERED?

>> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PARAMETERS BUT IN GENERAL A FEW FEET IN HEIGHT WILL NOT MAKE THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE.

>> WOULD YOU CONCUR THAT IF IT IS .3 MILES SOUTH,

>> I HAVE 40 STATED THAT IF YOU BUILD A NEW TOWER AND PUT YOUR SITE ON THERE THAT WOULD BE SLIGHTLY MORE COVERAGE. MY POIN IS AND I HAVE NO SKIN IN THIS BY THE WAY. I DON'T GET ANYTHIN EITHER WAY THAT THERE WILL BE IS FINANCIAL INCREASE IN

T-MOBILE COVERAGE. >> LET ME ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS. NUMBER 1, CURRENTLY THE ESTATES MUST HAVE INADEQUAT COVERAGE IN SPOTS. DO YOU HAV ANY TOWERS DOWN THERE?

>> THERE IS ONE. I DON'T LIVE IN THE AREA SO I CANNOT SPEAK T THAT. ACCORDING TO THE MODEL THERE'S PROBABLY AREAS OF? MY

COVERAGE. >> WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUTSIDE THE LIMITS OF THAT TOWER? WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM? DO THEY HAVE NO COVERAGE OR SPOTTY COVERAGE?

>> THE ARM PLACES WHERE YOU CA AS SPOTTY OR NO COVERAGE.

>> THE REALITY IS YOU CAN GO PUT A TOWER THREE MILES DOWN THE ROAD AND ONLY GET COVERAGE AND THAT DOESN'T SOUND VERY

GOOD. >> PROBABLY THERE IS A NEED FO

A TOWER FURTHER SOUTH. >> IN THE AREA YOU WILL HAVE OTHER THAN POOR SERVICE, BETWEEN THE COUNTY TOWER AND YO BUILD A NEW TOWER THAT AREA OTHER THAN THE YELLOW , HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN THAT AREA?

>> I GUESS EACH HOUSE DEPENDING IF IT IS 1-5 ACRES I

CAN DO THAT CALCULATION. >> IN THOSE SPOTS I ASKED HOW MANY PEOPLE BUT LET ME REPHRAS THE QUESTION. HOW HOUSES ARE IN

THERE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS

THAT DATA. >> THAT WAS SEEN TO BE VERY

RELEVANT. >> IT IS FAIR ,

>> WHY WOULD YOU SPEND THE MONE ON A NEW TOWER IF HE DID KNOW I'M THE PEOPLE YOU COULD SERVE?

>> WE DID KNOW BUT I DIDN'T HAV IT WITH ME RIGHT NOW. I SO

APOLOGIZE. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? >> DOES THE COUNTY AND I DON'T KNOW, DOES THE COUNTY COLLECT THE FEE BECAUSE THEY ON THE

TOWER? >> THEY DO. THEY LEASE SPACE.

>> SO THAT WOULD BE MORE REVENU FOR THE COUNTY? THAT WOULD BE GOOD THING BECAUSE THE COUNTY NEEDS MONEY.

>> IT HAPPENS THAT THE COUNTY OWNS THAT TOWER. IT WOULD BE

THE SAME ANALYSIS. >> THANK YOU.

>> I WAS GOING TO HOLD BUT GETTING BACK TO T-MOBILE,

[INAUDIBLE]. >> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK BACK AN

SEE . >> DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE NEARES

EXISTING SITE IS? >> DEFINITELY NOT ON FLAGLER

ESTATES. >> OKAY. MY OTHER QUESTION IS AND I ASSUME THIS IS POWERED B ELECTRICITY. DURING STORMS WHA IS YOUR BACKUP SYSTEM? IS IT DIESEL POWER , GENERATOR? HOW DO YOU USE A BACKUP POWER SYSTEM ON THESE.

>> THE CARRIERS OPERATING PRINCIPLE IS THE UTILITY IS THERE OF COURSE. BEYOND THAT THERE IS A BATTERY BACKUP. IF IT IS T-MOBILE, A LARGE PORTIO OF SIZED YOU HAVE BACKUP.

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>> ON THE EXISTING TOWERS DO YO KNOW WHAT THEIR BACKUP SYSTEM

IS? >> I WOULD ASSUME THAT VERIZON AND AT&T PROBABLY HAVE A GENERATOR THERE. THE , THEY WOULD BRING IN THEIR OWN EMERGENCY GENERATOR.

>> EACH PERSON HAS OR ON, >> THEY BRING IN POWER DURING THE STORM. THEY WOULD ADD AND SERVICE THE NEW TENANT AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN POWER

>> I KNOW IT IS VERY RURAL AND THERE IS THEM TO COVERAGE OUT THERE AND WHEN YOU GET A STORM OR SOMETHING YOU LOSE POWER AND

COMMUNICATIONS. >> AS THE -- CARRIERS, WITH A HAVE UP TO 85% OF THE SITES WITH GENERATORS? THE STANDBY

GENERATORS. >> MOST OF THE SITES I'VE BEEN TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF GENERATOR BACKUP. AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES

WHAT CHANGES? >> GENERALLY THE BATTERY BACKUP ALWAYS SERVES AS THERE IS FOU HOURS OF BATTERY BACKUP, AND ONCE YOU HIT THAT THAT IS WHEN THE GENERATORS, TEND TO BE,

>> I THINK HE'S ANSWERING MY QUESTION.

>> THIS T-MOBILE TOWER I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC DIMENSIONS AS PART OF THIS ORIGINAL APPLICATION AND THE NEAREST T-MOBILE TOWER IS STILL IN HASTINGS TO THE NORTHWEST.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SIR IN THE ORANGE COME UP HERE FIRST PLEASE. WE HAVE SOME ANSWERS

THAT WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT. >> NAME IS ANGEL, AND [INAUDIBLE] AND WE ALSO ON 41 AND 420. I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE CELL PHONE TOWER BECAUSE TH OTHER TOWER IS ONLY HALF A MILE AWAY. ALL OF US WITHIN THE VICINITY BOTH FEEL THE TOWER WILL GET 5G. THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT DON'T GET CELL PHONE RECEPTION IS THE SOUTH OF FLAGLER ESTATES. THAT SIDE WILL STILL NOT RECEIVE ANY RECEPTION AT ALL IF THIS TOWER GOES UP. IT WILL STILL BE HAVING ISSUES CONTACTING EMERGENCY SERVICES AS THEY DO NOW. THEY HAVE TO WALK TO GET RECEPTION ON THAT SIDE AND WITH THIS TOWER IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING. THEY WILL HAVE TO WALK AROUND GETTING CELL RECEPTION UNLESS THERE IS ONE ON THE SOUT SIDE OF FLAGLER ESTATES. THEREFORE BY PUTTING THIS TOWE IN AND NOT PROVIDING A CELL TOWER, EVEN YOUR THIRD-PARTY COMPANY SAYS THIS TOWER IS NOT NECESSARY AT THAT LOCATION . AL OF OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS ARE OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED LOCATION. NUMBER 1 IT WOULD BE AN EYESORE TO US. ALSO ALL THE DROPPINGS FROM THE BIRDS THAT WOULD COME OUT FROM THE 250 FOOT TOWER. THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS COMPLAINED ABOUT IT.

ABOUT THE BIRDS POOPING ON THEIR HOUSE AND CARS. THE COUNTY HAD TO COME UP THERE AN DO SOMETHING TO GET RID OF ALL THE BIRDS IN THE TOWER. THEY GO RID OF IT FOR SOME TIME AND AFTER THAT THEY CAME BACK AGAIN AND THEY ARE THERE NOW. I WOUL KIND OF REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER THE LOCATION OF THIS TOWER FOR THE SAKE OF US AND OUR NEIGHBORS AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE SIT ON THE FRONT PORCH WE SEE THE LIGHT FROM THE TOWER. IF WE SIT ON OUR BACK PORCH WE WILL SEE THE LIGHT ON THIS HOUSE. MY HOUSE IS ONLY 114 FEET FROM THIS PROPOSED LOCATION. MY DRAIN IS ONLY 30 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED

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PLEASE RECONSIDER THE LOCATION.

>> RICHARD YOU WANT TO ASSESS BIGGER QUESTION?

>> YES, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SOME OF YOUR STRUCTURES ARE WITHIN 30 FEET? YES, 30 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED PROPERTY LINE

>> 113 FEET. >> THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU CITED

WAS WITHIN THE COLLAPSE ON. >> MY POOL IS 114 FEET FROM

THE PROPOSED SITE. >> THANKS.

>> THANK YOU ZAR. >> WHO'S NEXT?

>> DAVID WILLIAMS. >> DAVID WILLIAMS, 14060 TURBAN AVENUE . AT THE FAR END. I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START WITH THIS BECAUSE AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE FLAGLER STATES REDEVELOPMENT STEERING COMMITTE OBVIOUSLY I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS AS TO HOW WE ARE DEVELOPING. MY FIRST CONCERN I GUESS IS THAT WE HAVE A POTENTIAL EYESORE THAT IS GOIN TO GO UP AND WILL NOT HELP. OU COMMITTEE WORKED THERE BUT OFF TO GET A $3.6 MILLION MATCHING GRANT FROM COMCAST T PUT IN FIBER OPTIC CABLE AND ALL OF THESE UNSERVED AREAS.

THIS SEEMS LIKE OVERKILL. THEN WHY DO WE DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE? SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO COME IN AND THROW UP SOMETHING IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS . THE NECESSITY THAT WE HAVE O THE WEST SIDE OF THE CREEK, I AM REALLY CONCERNED THAT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO THROW UP TOWER AND SAY YOU DON'T NEED THAT, BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE. W LIVE IN A FOREST. DO YOU KNOW WHAT TOWERS ARE LOOKING LIKE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF A FIRE? W HAVE WORKED OUR BUT OFF AGAIN T GET A NEW FIRE STATION OR SOMETHING JUST OVER THE LINE IN FLAGLER COUNTY THAT MIGHT IMPROVE THIS AND MAKE IT SAFER. BUT NOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? TRY TO BURN DOWN ANOTHER TOWER AND LOSE OUR COMMUNICATIONS? COMMUNICATIONS WILL HAPPEN AND ALL OF FLAGLER ESTATE THAT IS NOT SERVED. THE WINDSTREAM HAS PICKED UP THEI GAME DRAMATICALLY SINCE THAT HAPPENED. THEY ARE ON THE MOVE I AM NOT SURE THAT I QUITE GET IT. WHEN WE DON'T EVEN HAVE WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING NOW. IT HAS BEEN SINCE FEBRUARY 2 SINCE A GOVERNOR AWARDED US THAT AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD THE FIRST WORD FROM THE CABLE PEOPLE. THEY ARE GOING T COME OUT AND DO A LITTLE DANCE IN TWO WEEKS, BUT NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND. I WOULD LOVE TO BE AT THAT MEETING. HAVE TO SA THAT YOU REALLY NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU HAVE. GRANTED WE'VE HAD 200 FAMILIES MOVE INTO FLAGLER ESTATES OVER THE LAST YEAR.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> GUESS WHAT ? THEY DON'T KNOW A THING ABOUT LIVING IN FLAGLER STATES AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO

HELP. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> RODNEY GRANT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM

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THEY GOT ON THAT TOWER AND WILL NOT LET ANY OTHER CARRIERS ON THERE. A T-MOBILE TOWER WOULD NOT ONLY ADVANCE OUR COVERAGE IT MAY SAVE SOMEBODY' LIFE. THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LOOKS. THERE IS TOWER ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY AND PEOPLE DON'T MIND. THERE'S A TOWER IN FLAGLER ESTATES AND IT IS BEEN THERE AND PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE IT. THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SOCIETY DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ALL OF FLAGLER ESTATES. THAT IS A GROUP DID THEY PUT TOGETHER AND IT IS NOT AN H AWAY AND DOESN'T COVER AL OF FLAGLER ESTATES. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T JOIN IT. I HAVE T-MOBILE AND MY SON HAS T-MOBIL AND HE LIVES HERE IN SAN AUGUSTINE. HE HAS THE LITTLE INTERNET BOX AND HE GETS 5G AN WATCHES TV AND DOESN'T HAVE CABLE ANYMORE BECAUSE IT IS EXPENSIVE. AT& T, THEY ON WINDSTREAM AND A LOT OF OTHER COMPANIES, AND NEW PEOPLE WHEN THEY CALL SAY THEY CANNOT GET INTERNET. THEY YOU HAVE TO CHEW SATELLITE AND MINE IS MOSTLY ON THE SAFETY. WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT EXTRA TIME FOR 911. THANK YOU.

>> GREG BERNSTEIN. >> MY NAME IS CRAIG BERNSTEIN.

I LIVE IN FLAGLER ESTATES. A FEW THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP AND I WAS VERY EDUCATED AT THIS MEETING AS THEY SHOWED A LOT OF COVERAGE MAPS. YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE IN THE COVERAGE MAP THERE WILL BE MINIMAL DIFFERENCE WHETHER OR NOT THEY USE THE EXISTING COUNTY TOWER OR THE NEW ONE. TH 70% NUMBER IS A JOKE THAT THAT GENTLEMAN POINTED OUT. THEIR MAP SHOWS THEY WILL NOT INCREAS OR GAIN ANY SERVICE WEST OF TH CREEK WHERE A MAJORITY OF PEOPL HAVE SERVICE ISSUES, OR SOUTH O MELODY STREET WHERE PEOPLE HAV A MAJORITY OF SERVICES. THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN ON MORE THAN ON OCCASION WHO LIVES AS FAR SOUT IN FLAGLER ESTATES AT THE CAN AND HE OWNS MULTIPLE PIECES OF PROPERTY AND HE OFFERED THEM T HAVE A TOWER PUT UP. I SPOKE WITH MRS. BECKEL THE OTHER DAY AND I MENTIONED THAT TO HER AND SHE EXPLAINED THE REASON THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN THAT IS BECAUSE HALF OF THE TOWER WOULD BE FACING SOUTH OBVIOUSLY WHER THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WOULD BE A GREAT AREA THAT WHEN THE COVERAGE AS THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT GO SOUTH OF DIVISIO STREET WRITING DIRT BIKES AND WE HAVE EMS OUT THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS. IF SOMEBODY GOES OUT THERE AND GET STUCK THERE I ZERO SERVICE. THAT WOULD BE A PLACE TO PROBABLY SAVE LIVES AND ADDITIONAL WAS CONCERNED WITH SAVING LIVES THEY COULD EVEN GET A SERVICE THAT IS COVERED IN HIS AREA. THAT SEEMS LIKE COMMON SENSE TO ME AFTER

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ANOTHER THING I LEARNED TODAY A FAR AS RADIATION, THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION, I PUT VERY LITTLE CREDENCE INTO WHAT COME OUT OF THEM. FOR THEM TO PUT U SOMETHING SAYING THAT RADIATION IS NOT AN ISSUE BY THE WORLD HEALTH PHYSICIAN IS RIDICULOUS AT THE LOCAL MEETING AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME THAT WE WAS -- HE WAS ONL GOING TO BE INFORMING PEOPLE WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE CELL TOWER ABOUT THIS MEETING. A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTIES ARE OVER 300 FEET LONG. THAT MEANS THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH NOT TELLIN ANYBODY BEHIND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE THE PIECE OF PROPERTY IS ALMOST 300 FEET LONG. ANGEL AND HIS WIFE ARE ON THE SITE 100 FEET AWAY. THE MEA THEY TOLD ALMOST NOBODY ABOUT THIS MEETING AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE EMAILS ABOU IT THAT WE ALL SIGNED UP FOR ANTIBODY WAS INFORMED ABOUT THIS MEETING OR THEY WILL BE A

LOT MORE PEOPLE HERE. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> MISTER FISHER. >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME IS WILLIA FISHER. I AM PRESIDENT OF THE FLAGLER STATES ROAD AND WATER DISTRICT AND I HAVE BEEN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. MISTER WILLIAMS HAPPENS TO BE MY VICE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW. I DID AN UNOFFICIAL SURVEY LAST SUNDAY WHICH WAS THE THIRD AND THE SUNDAY BEFORE THAT WHICH WAS TH 27TH. I ASKED THE QUESTION WA YOU FOR AGAINST A NEW CELL PHONE TOWER. 35 PEOPLE SAID THEY WAS FOR IT AND 71 SAID THEY WAS AGAINST IT. ONE TOLD ME THEY WOULD USE THE RED LIGHT ON HIS RIFLE FOR TARGET. NO ONE QUESTIONED WITH A HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A 200 FOOT TOWER? YES AND I THINK IT WOULD. THAT IS ALMOST THE LENGTH OF THE FOOTBALL FIELD. THINK ABOUT HO BIG THAT IS. SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT WE JUST DON'T NEED IT. IT WAS 87 OUT OF THE GROUP THAT SAID PUT ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK. EITHER OR. THE PROBLEM WITH THE TOWER THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE NOW IS THE BUZZARDS ARE LIVING IN IT.

THERE DESECRATION IS ALL OVER AND THE PEOPLE HAVE TO LIVE AROUND THERE, ALL OVER THE ROOF IT IS A WASTE. I HAVE A CELL PHONE THAT WORKS WHEREVER I WANT TO GO OUT THERE. I HAVE NEVER LOST MY SIGNAL. I HAVE CRICKET AND IT WORKS. I HAVE A ORIGINAL COMPUTER AT HOME AND I WORKS. IS CALLED A PENCIL.

THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER. SHE MET WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP AND OFFER SOME REBUTTAL

>> THAT WAS TALK ABOUT USING THE PROPERTY AT THE SOUTH END FLAGLER ESTATES. WE DID EVALUAT THE PROPERTY AND LOOK AT IT AN I THINK THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE I THE COVERAGE FROM THAT IS FAIRLY LIMITED BECAUSE AT THE EXTREME EDGE OF FLAGLER ESTATE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AND THE ARE COVERED IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THE RESIDENCE AND WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN WHAT WOULD BE COVERED WITH THE PROPOSED TOWER. ON

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>> THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?

>> IF I MAY KATIE AGAIN FOR TH RECORD AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN I WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERN FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WA RAISED TODAY AS PART OF THE RECORD. FIRST THE NEED FOR THE SITE. SITES ARE SELECTED AND DRIVEN BY COMPLAINTS AND A LAC OF COVERAGE FROM THE SUBSCRIBERS. WITHIN THAT TRAIN THEY LOOK FOR A WILLING LANDLOR AND THE MOST IN TERMS OF VISIBILITY AND THE LEAST IMPACTFUL ENVIRONMENTALLY AND THAT IS HOW WE LANDED ON THE SITE. AS A BUSINESS DECISION THEY WOULD NOT MAKE AN INVESTMENT IN A NEW SITE LETS WAS GOING TO BE WORTHWHILE FOR THE CUSTOMERS. NOT JUST CUSTOMERS TODAY BUT THE POPULATION GROWTH THAT IS EXPECTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE OF THE POWER SPEAKER SPOKE ABOUT 250 FAMILIES MOVING INTO FLAGLER ESTATE IN THE LAST YEAR IT IS A GROWING AREA AND WE AR TRYING TO SERVE THE CUSTOMERS TODAY AND ALSO THOSE ON THE HORIZON. IN TERMS OF NEED THE APPLICANT HAS SUFFICIENTLY DEMONSTRATED THE NEED FOR THE SITE TO SERVE THE SEARCH AREA AND THE TOWER WILL PROVIDE EMERGENCY SERVICES AND ALLOW PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES TO EXPAN THEIR SYSTEM AS WELL AS ONE OF THE PRIOR SPEAKERS MENTIONED.

WITH THAT SAID I WANT TO SUBMIT INTO THE RECORD A LIST OF 911 CALLS FROM THE LAST MONTH, AUGUST 5 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 5 THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE ST. JOHN SHERIFF'S OFFICE, 244 IN THE LAST MONTH ALONE. THE PRIO SPEAKER WHO MENTIONED THAT FOLK ARE WALKING AROUND WITH HER PHONE IN THEIR HAND TRYING TO GET EMERGENCY SERVICES DISPATCH TO A NATIONAL SERVICE PROVIDER MANY OF THEM PROBABLY DON'T HAV RELIABLE SERVICE TO MAKE THOSE CALLS AND SUFFER BECAUSE OF IT

>> I BELIEVE THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING FROM A PRIOR SPEAKER IN TERMS OF THE COLLAPS ON OF 45 FEET, FROM THE CENTER OF THE TOWER AND NOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. IT WILL COLLAPSE ON ITSELF IF THE NEED ARISES STRUCTURALLY. WE HAVE ENGINEER WHO CAN SPEAK TO THE FALLS ON I THERE IS SPECIFIC TECHNICAL QUESTIONS IN THAT REGARD TOO. WITH RESPECT TO THE RADIOFREQUENCY RADIATION HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT AND CONSULTANTS. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF ADVERSE HEALTH IMPACTS. ALSO FURTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN ONLY CONSIDER THE LOCATION OF WIRELESS FACILITIES UNDER THE ZONING REGULATION, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE PROHIBITED FRO THE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OF FACILITIES LIKE THIS AND ARE PREEMPTED UNDER FEDERAL LAW. THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE FEDERAL COMMITTEE CASE COMMISSION PURSUANT TO THE FEDERAL TELECOM ACT, AND THEY HAVE WERE TO DETERMINE THERE IS NO ADVERSE IMPACT AND NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. WITH RESPECT TO VISUAL IMPACT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT SIMPLY BEING ABLE TO SEE A TOWER EQUATES TO A NEGATIVE IMPACT . THE APPLICANT HAS NOTE THE HEAVY AMOUNT OF VEGETATION ON THE PORTION AROUND THE COMPOUND AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN TERM OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SEEING THE BARBED WIRE AT THE TOP OF THE FENCE. ON ONE HAND THAT WAS A CONCERN ABOUT VAGRANTS AND VANDALISM, AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE BETWEEN THE CORRELATIO BETWEEN THE PRESENT SITE AND TRESPASSERS AND VANDALS. THE CHAIN LINK FENCE COUPLED WITH THE BARBED WIRE ENSURES THAT AND EXPRESSES A WILLINGNESS TO

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DETERRENCE FOR BIRDS. >> WITH RESPECT TO LOCATION TH APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO LEASE AVAILABLE SPACE ON THE PROPOSED TOWER FOR OTHER CARRIERS AND PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE IF T-MOBILE DOESN'T USE THE COUNTY TOWER WHOEVER IS NEXT IN LINE WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME STRUCTURAL OF GRACE THAT INCLUDES ACCOUNTING IF THEY NEE TO EXPAND THE EXISTING COVERAGE FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT THAT WILL BE A TAXPAYER OF GREA WHEREAS IF A NEW TOWER IS INSTALLED THREE ADDITIONAL CARRIERS THAT COULD INCLUDE PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES, AND TH STRUCTURAL UPGRADE IS NOT NEEDE ON THAT TOWER AND THERE IS STIL A PLACE FOR THEM TO GO TO ADEQUATE CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD. WITH RESPECT TO NATURAL RESOURCES IT WILL NOT NEGATIVEL IMPACT ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIV AREAS AND THE COMPOUND WAS CAREFULLY LOCATED ON THE SITE T BE OUTSIDE OF THE WETLAND AREA.

>> GO AHEAD, I'M SORRY. >> FOR THE RECORD THIS IS SELEN RANDOLPH. WE DO A 300 FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE NOTICE IN THE MAILING CENTER AND WE ALSO DID AN AD. I CAN SHOW YOU THE MAP . THESE ARE ALL THE MAILINGS THAT WENT OUT AND BY CO-WE HAVE TO DO 300 FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS THE PARCEL IN QUESTION AND IT WENT OUT. THIS IS THE MAP AND THE ADDRESSES AND MAILINGS THAT WAS SENT OUT FOR NOTICES. ANY QUESTIONS ? MAY I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION. THE RADIU

IS 500 FEET AS WELL. >> 500 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY

LINE. >> THANK YOU.

>> I WANTED TO MENTION AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION THERE IS A FAA NO OBSTRUCTION TO AIR NAVIGATION LETTER. THE FAA HAS DETERMINED AT THE HEIGHT WITH THE PROPER LIGHTING IT IS NOT A THREAT TO AIR NAVIGATION. BEFORE WE CONCLUDE I WANT TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS . IF THER IS ANYTHING FROM ANYONE ELSE ON OUR TEAM.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION OF YOU. YO PASSED OUT THE 244 NUMBER 1 CALLS, AND THAT IS PRETTY INTENSE. CAN YOU TELL HOW MANY

OF THESE WAS FROM A LANDLINE ? >> I DO NOT KNOW AND I KNOW THA DATA WAS PROVIDED IN AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET, BUT I DON'T KNOW , AND YOU CAN TELL THAT SOME FOLK DID GIVE AN ADDRESS TO THE NEAREST INTERSECTION. WE CAME ADVISE WHAT PERCENTAGE,

>> HOW ABOUT FROM THE CELL PHON AND HOW MANY IF THEY WAS FROM CELL PHONE IF THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH A NATIONAL OPERATOR.

>> I DO NOT KNOW. >> THIS IS IN MY OPINION,

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>> IT COLLABORATES HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE UTILIZING NUMBER 1

IN THE FLAGLER ESTATES AREA. >> SO WHY DID YOU PICK A SITE WHERE IT MAY PICK UP AT I LOOKED AT THE AREA PHOTOGRAPHED AGAIN, AND TRIED TO COUNT THE NUMBER OF HOUSES DOWN IN THAT AREA. HOW MANY ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS FIRST OF ALL AND HE SAID PEOPLE AND THEN CHANGED IT TO RESIDENTS WHO CAN ACTUALLY COUNT. IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE IT WAS NO MORE THAN 70 DOWN THAT WAY. PROBABLY LESS. I WAS JUS WONDERING WHY YOU DIDN'T PUT I

A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH. >> WHY WAS AND AS FAR SOUTH AS AN ALTERNATE SITE, AND THE COVERAGE NEED IS WHAT DRIVES WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED. THE ENGINEER WOULD BE THE BEST TO ADDRESS THAT. IF YOU GO TOO FA SOUTH IN WHICH WE ALLUDED TO I RESPONDING TO THE ALTERNATE SITE, THE COVERAGE , THE TOWERS MULTIPLE SIDES AND NOT ALL OF THEM APPOINTED TOWARD TH POPULATED AREA. DISLIKE PAJAMA ALLUDED TO IF IT IS TOO FAR NORTH, THERE IS DIMINISHING RETURNS IF YOU ARE TOO FAR SOUT IN TERMS OF CAPTURING THE POPULATION AREA.

>> HAVE YOU SOUGHT APPROVAL FO THE TOWER FROM FLAGLER ESTATES

? >> I BELIEVE IT IS NOTED ON OUR SITE PLAN THE COORDINATION FOR THE ACCESS WILL BE IN CONSULTATION WITH THEM. IT IS NOTED ON THE SITE PLAN.

>> COULD HE SPEAK? >> SIR, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE YOU SPEAK. SIT DOWN. NOTE PLEASE SIT DOWN. ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS FOR THAT QUICK? >> NO.

>> THANK YOU. >> CANDIDLY IF IT IS NOT APPROVED WE WILL APPEAL TO THE DOC. MAY I MAKE SOME CLOSING REMARKS AND THERE IS NO FURTHER QUESTIONS

>> YES MA'AM, GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. AS WAS ALLUDED TO AT THE START OF THE PRESENTATION THE APPLICANT HAS THE BURDEN OF DEMONSTRATING HO IT MEETS ALL OF THE APPLICABLE REVIEW CRITERIA. THE APPLICANT SUFFICIENTLY DEMONSTRATED THAT WE HAVE MET THE SPECIAL YOUTH APPROVAL CRITERIA AND THIS WIL BE A VALUE TO THE PUBLIC IN NEED OF THE 911 SERVICE THAT IS RELIABLE ACROSS THE LOCAL CARRIERS. THE DECISION ON THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION CANNOT BE BASED ON SPECULATION UNLESS THERE IS NOT COMPETENT EVIDENCE THAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY.

AN APPLICANT ACCEPTS ALL PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF PROPOSAL BY STAFF AND WE ARE WILLING T ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS IN TERMS OF A SURVEILLANCE CAMERA WITHIN THE COMPOUND AND BIRD DETERRENT AND INDUSTRY STANDARD PRACTICES IN TERMS OF BIRD NESTING . WITH THESE CONSIDERATIONS IN MIND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE BOAR APPROVED THE APPLICATION TODAY.

THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. JUST BEAR WITH M FOR A MINUTE. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK AT THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION AS WAS MENTIONED, WE WILL BASE OUR DECISION ON THE EVIDENCE. I AM MAKING A MOTION AND IF THE TOWERS ARE NOT NEEDED OR PERHAPS A NECESSITY. I PUT IT ON THE FLOOR FOR A

MOTION. >> SECOND.

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>> MY MOTION WOULD BE TO DEN THE TOWER THE WILDNESS COMMUNICATION TOWER BASED ON THE FACTS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. RECENT MAKE THE MOTION IS I DON'T SEE THE NEED AS THE COVERAGE WILL NOT BE THAT SIGNIFICANT TO OVERCOME THE NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL TOWER. IT IS 250 FOOT PLUS TALL. IT I AN EYESORE. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW YOU OVERCOME THE NEED FOR I WHEN YOU CAN CLEARLY BUILD ON THE COUNTY TOWER AND GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS THAT WAY. IN MY OPINION THE MOTION IS TO DENY.

>> DISCUSSION. >> SOMETHING THAT JUMPED OUT AND BE IN THE APPLICATION MATERIAL IS THERE WAS A CITATIO OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES , THAT STATES THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL DEMONSTRATE THERE IS NO OTHER SUITABLE EXISTING TOWER STRUCTURES ON WHICH THE APPLICANT OR PROVIDER CAN REASONABLY PLACE THEIR ANTENNAS AS PROVIDED IN SECTIO 6.0 8.12. I THINK THERE IS SUITABLE SPACE ON THE COUNTY TOWER, AND THEY DON'T LOSE THA MUCH IN TERMS OF THEIR COVERAGE BY GOING WITH THE COUNTY TOWER. I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS ITEM

BASED ON THAT. >> ANYONE ELSE.

>> I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT THA THERE ARE COUNTY CONSULTANTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THIS WILL NOT INCREASE A COVERED SIGNIFICANTLY. I WILL VOTE NO AGAINST THIS. WITH THAT BEING

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>> A YES VOTE MEANS YOU ARE BODING TO DENY THIS. THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0. ALL RIGHT LET'S MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 5. I THERE ANY EXPERT TAKE FOR COMMUNICATION HERE?

>> NOPE. >> HELLO. BRAD WESTERN, ONE INDEPENDENT 12 STREET. APPLICANT AN AGENT FOR THIS MATTER. MAY I GET THE REMOTE PLEASE? THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU IS FOR A SELF STORAGE FACILITY ON US-1 NORTH. YOU DID SEE AS PREVIOUSLY ONLY TRANSMITTAL AROUND ON THE 18TH, AND JUNE 20 . THESE OF THE GROUNDS BEFOR WENT TO THE STATE AND NOW THEY ARE BACK. I KIND OF LIKE BEING LAST SO I CAN SEE WHO IS BEHIN

ME. NOBODY. >> TAKE THE HILL.

>> THIS IS A REQUEST TO INCREAS , 2.05 ACRES LOCATED AND SEL STORAGE IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED, AND THIS IS A SMALL LOT SIZE O REGULAR SHAPE WHICH CONTRIBUTE TO THE DESIGN CHALLENGE. THIS IS THE LOCATION THAT YOU SEE THERE BETWEEN THE TWO TO RHODE ON THE EAST SIDE OF , THESE ARE THE ZONING MAPS THAT WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE. INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL, AND THE STORAGE FACILITY ALLOWED, AND HERE IS PROPERTY AND I WILL TAKE YOU

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ANSWER THEM. YANKEE. >> RICHARD.

>> I VOTED FOR THIS BEFORE WIT THE TRANSMITTAL AND I WILL PROBABLY VOTE FOR IT AGAIN. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS. I WANTED TO ASK THE COUNTY STAFF AND GO AHEAD AND TALK BECAUSE I CAN WAIT. WE ARE GETTING QUITE A FEW REQUESTS DOING CREASE F AR. THIS IS 110. WHY IF YOU KNOW WHAT IT PLACED IN THE COD

IN THE FIRST PLACE? >> I DON'T KNOW. IT WAS PROBABL COPIED FROM A STANDARD AT THE TIME. AT THE TIME AS THIS IS KIND OF A DETAILED REQUIREMENT IF YOU READ THE PLAN THAT IS GENERAL IN POLICY AND NATURE. IT WAS PROBABLY COPIED FROM ANOTHER JURISDICTION. WHAT I WILL SAY I THINK THIS IS THE FOURTH THE FIFTH ONE THAT WE HAVE SEEN COME THROUGH, SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE STANDARD TO YOUR POINT. I INTEND TO OUR EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL PROCESS THAT IS GOING ON I INTEND TO BRING THAT UP AND H WILL GO TO THE BOARD AND ALL OF THAT. MAY BE TAKEN OUT OF THE PLAN AND EVALUATING THE STANDARD AND EFFICIENT THAT WE WANT TO REGULATE. IF WE ARE APPROVED WHICH IS RARE [INAUDIBLE], MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER CHANGING THE CODE. THAT IS MY INTENT THROUGH THIS TO LOOK AT THAT. SPENT YOU ANSWER MY SECOND QUESTION AS WELL. GREAT. I GUESS THERE IS A NEW INDUSTRY STANDARD OUT THERE BRAD WITH ALL OF THE SEL STORAGE UNITS, THAT THESE ARE GOING TO BE THREE-STORY OR MORE INDOOR AIR CONDITIONED AND CLIMATE CONTROL WAREHOUSES I GUESS. I AM ALL FOR HAVING A SMALLER FOOTPRINT. YOUR FOOTPRINT IS LIKE 36,000 SQUARE FEET. ALL FOR HAVING A SMALLER FOOTPRINT. BUT ONE THING THAT CONCERNS ME AND YOU MAY WANT TO COMMENT ON IS THE ONE THAT WE HAD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO NEAR THE WARD CREEK ELEMENTARY

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>> I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT IN THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS .

THAT WAS NOT MY ITEM. I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO MINE. WE DID REACH OUT TO THE OWNERS OF THA PROPERTY AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH IT. AGAIN W ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY WAIVER O DEVIATION. I WILL SAY THIS. THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR DOES HAVE ROOM TO GROW. IT IS LIKELY IN THE FUTURE THAT THEY WILL NOT JUST BE A DAYCARE BUT HAVE OTHER USES THERE. THEY HAV A SITE OUT FRONT AND A MARQUEE SIGN WITH FIVE DIFFERENT OPENINGS. NOT PRESSING THEM ON SPECULATING WHO COULD GO THERE OR WHATNOT. BUT IS CLEAR THEY PERMITTED THAT FOR EXPANSION IN THE FUTURE. MY THOUGHT IS THEY WILL LOOK AT COTENANCY INSIDE OF THEIR OWN PROPERTY. HOURS H IS WE WILL HAVE CAMERAS AND SECURITY LIGHTING IN THE SECURITY GATE OUT FRONT. IT IS SEPARATED AND I PUT THE SCREEN BACK UP TO SHOW THE SURROUNDINGS. THIS IS SEPARATED BY EXISTING USAGE ALL AROUND.

THE POPULATION AS FAR AS THE OTHER RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL NOT BE SEPARATED BY A DRAINAGE DITCH BUT WE ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT. WE HAVE SOME SEPARATIONS THERE BOTH PHYSICALLY AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. RIGHT BEHIND THI IS A SELF STORED FACILITY OF PROPOSED RVS. THAT IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE ENTITY ALTOGETHER. WE INTEND TO PROTECT OURS WITH LIGHTING AND SECURITY AND LOCKS AND GATES AND WHATNOT. IT IS A VERY LOW TRAFFIC GENERATING USE. FOLKS LIVING THERE MAY BE WORKING ON THEIR BOAT OR RV AND A LOT OF THE TIME THEY GO THERE AND STOR THEIR JUNK THAT NEEDS TO BE IN A CLIMATE CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT. THEN THEY LEAVE.

THAT IS WHY WE FEEL IT IS APPROPRIATE USE BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A HIGH PARKING GENERATIO DEMAND OR A HIGH TRAFFIC DEMAND FOR THIS. THE BUILDING NEXT DOO AND WE CAN GO TO THE DAYCARE AGAIN, AND THE HAVE A TWO STOR FACILITY, AND HAVE IT PAINTED AND BUILT THERE. THE HAVE A SIT OUT FRONT AND I THINK JUST A MIXTURE OF USES, FOR US, IT I GOING TO BE A STORAGE FACILITY.

WE DON'T HAVE THE NEED OR THE SITE PLANNING TO PUT ANY KIND OF OUTDOOR STORAGE SPACE. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE FOLKS, AND NOT ONLY IS OUR SITE GOING TO BE LOCKED BUT IT WILL BE LOCKED AND SECURE. IT WILL BE MANNED WITH A PERSON. WE THINK THAT IS THE DIFFERENCING FACTOR FOR THIS AND THE FACT WE ARE NO UP AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

>> YOU DID STATE IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU WAS GOIN TO KEEP THIS TO A 35 FOOT HEIGHT. SO YOU ARE GOING TO GO

UP FIVE FEET, >> WE ARE NOT DOING THAT. WE ALREADY HAVE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS AND HAVE SPENT A LOT O MONEY TO SEE WHAT WORDS TO GET OUR YIELD ANALYSIS. THE 50% F AR AND COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, THEY'RE GOING TO EVALUATE THAT AND WE ARE ASKING FOR A SITE POLICY , AND UNTIL IT IS EXCHANGED IN THE FUTURE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL BE, IT WIL PROBABLY BE A STORAGE FACILITY. THE HEIGHT IS 35 FEET. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR LANDSCAPE DEVIATION, JUST F AR.

>> I WOULD DISPUTE THAT THERE IS A HARDSHIP IN THE SITE OF TH

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OTHER THAN THAT I INTEND TO VOT FOR IT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WE ARE BACK TO THE

AGENCY FOR A MOTION. HENRY. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO GRANT

[Staff Reports]

>> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND.

LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES 6-0 . THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF OUR AGENDA. IS THERE ANY STAFF

[Agency Reports]

REPORTS? >> NONE.

>> WE DO HAVE THE PUNCH OF THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. IT WENT THROUGH LAST NIGHT AND THEY WANT TO GO TO THE ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT ON MONDAY AND THE

PLANNING OF THE AGENCY. >> HOW LONG WILL THAT TAKE?

>> IT STARTED AT 5:00 P.M. OFFICIALLY AND ENDED AROUND 9:3

PM. >> ANY REPORT FOR THE AGENCY

MEMBERS? >> I HAVE ONE WITH THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER BUT I WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THAT ONE BUT

DEFINITELY FOR THE NEXT ONE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT THEY DID SEE THE MEETING THAT WILL START AT 11:00 P.M. TO GIVE SOME ADDITIONAL TIME.

>> THAT IS A NEW ONE ON ME. YOU ARE SAYING OUR NEXT MEETING TO TWO WEEKS FROM NOW STARTS AT 11:00 P.M.? BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING. ARE WE STILL OUT OF TIME ? WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT

THAT? >> IF I MAY MISTER CHAIR THE MEETING WILL START AT 11:00 A.M. AND WE WILL BE DOING THE APPLICATION, AND THEN THERE IS THREE OTHER ITEMS ON THAT AGEND AND THAT 1:30 PM WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK AND DISCUSS THE OTHER THREE ITEMS. IF WE STILL NEED THE TIME WE WILL GO BACK TO THAT APPLICATION AT THAT TIME.

>> [INAUDIBLE]. >> NOT THAT WE

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