Aug 17, 2023 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order]

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CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

ALL RIGHT, MEAGHAN, COULD YOU READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE

STATEMENT. >>MEAGHAN PERKINS: A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING IN ACCORDANCE WITH FLORIDA LAW.

THE PUBLIC HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON AREAS OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CHARD IN THE FOYER.

ADDITIONAL SPEAKER ALSO BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. SPEAKER CARDS MUST BE TURNED TO STAFF. YOU CAN SPEAK ON A LENGTH OF TIME THAT IS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH IS THREE MINUTES.

STATE WHO YOU ARE AND STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YOU CAN OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. IF THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN CAN DETERMINE THE WEIGHT AND TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDE TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER AT THE HEARING.

SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAKE SURE THAT A VERBATIM OF THE PROCEEDINGS, TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE ON IF WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.

ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE DURING THE HEARING, DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS AND WRITTEN STATEMENTS WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD.

THE RECORD WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER AGENCY MEMBERS AND THE ACCOUNT IN ANY REVIEW APPEAL RELATED TO THE ITEM.

BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM, STATE IF THEY HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY.

IF SUCH COMMUNION CHASE HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MATTER SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE INFORMATION. CIVILITY CLAUSE, WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL TO ONE ANOTHER EVEN IF WE DISAGREE.

ADDRESS THE ISSUES AND AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

>>GREG MATOVINA: THANK Y YOU, MEAGHAN.

BEFORE WE GO FURTHER ON THE AGENDA, I WANT TO, FIRST OF ALL, POINT OUT THAT PUD 2023-02 ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR THIS MEETING OF PONTE VEDRA RESORT WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.

IT HAS BEEN CONTINUD TO SEPTEMBER 21.

I ALSO WANT TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD FOR A MINUTE OR TWO ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. NUMBER ONE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF DOESN'T WORK FOR US.

WE DON'T GIVE INSTRUCTIONS TO STAFF.

THEY WORK FOR THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY MANAGER WHO THEN REPORTS TO THE BOARD. SO I THINK THAT -- THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND. THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT ITEM. AND STAFF SHOULD NOT BE ASKED TO TAKE DIRECTION FROM US. SO THAT IS NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, I WANT TO POINT OUT, THE POTENTIAL FOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST. BECAUSE WHEN WE THINK OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST, WE NORMALLY THINK OF A MONETARY SITUATION. SEVERAL THAT I HAVE DECLARED HAVE BEEN BECAUSE DH HORTON IS MY BIGGEST CUSTOMERS.

IF THEY HAVE A REZONING UP HERE, I CLEARLY SHOULD DECLARE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. BUT THERE ARE NONMONETARY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. IF YOU LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE A NONMONETARY CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE YOU LIVE NEXT DOOR TO IT.

OUR CHARGE IS TO NOT ONLY AVOID AN ACTUAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST BUT ALSO THE PERCEPTION OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

SO I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR US TO REMEMBER. BECAUSE THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THIS PARTICULAR ITEM ON THE 21ST. AND WE COULD POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, PUT ANY DECISION THAT IS MADE IN DANGER BY NOT FOLLOWING RULES THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT MATTER.

DOES ANYBODY WANT TO ADD ANYTHING?

[1. ZVAR 2023-14 Marsh House]

THANK YOU. NOW IS OUR TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON EACH ITEM AS IT COMES UP. BUT YOU MAY COME UP AT THIS POINT AND SPEAK ON ANY ITEM THAT IS ON THE AGENDA OR THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD

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FOR ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. >> NONE.

>>GREG MATOVINA: OKAY, THANK YOU.

MAY I HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER 1, PLEASE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, CONNOR DOWNING WITH OPEN CITY.

I AM WORKING WITH RON AND SHERRY MONTELLA FOR THE 3020 THIRD STREET ZONING APPLICATION. TWHU TO THE BOARD MEMBER FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. A JOB THAT OFTENTIMES GOES UNTHANKED. MY CLIENTS BROUGHT THIS PROPERTY IN 2021 WITH THE INTENTION OF RETIRING ALONG WITH THEIR SISTER AND MOVING THEIR MOTHER, WHO IS HERE TODAY FROM GAINESVILLE ON TO THE PROPERTY IN A SMALL FAMILY SUITE.

THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, THE BIG PART BEING THE TREES AND SCALE OF THE ORIGINAL HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE A BIG REASON WHY THEY CHOSE TO RELOCATE HERE ULTIMATELY. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED WORKING ON THIS PROJECT TOGETHER, REMODELING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY NOW.

IT IS A SMALL HOME FROM 1916 OR DOING A SUBSTANTIAL EXPANSION, WE QUICKLY REALIZED WAS NOT A GOOD OPTION WITH THE FACT WE HAD TO ALTER MORE THAN 15% OF THE STRUCTURE WHICH WOULD KICK IN OUR PLANNING AND ZONING REGULATIONS AND THE NEW SETBACKS FOR THE SITE. SO WE REALIZE THAT REBUILDING, SALVAGING ORIGINAL MATERIALS AND REBUILDING A NEW HOME IS PROBABLY THE BEST AND ONLY OPTION MOVING FORWARD.

SO CURRENTLY WHERE WE ARE AT, WE HAVE DONE A SITE PLAN AND REALIZED THE BEST OPTIONS FOR PRESERVING THE EXISTING TREES ON THE SITE, SPREADING OUT THROUGH THE PROGRAM AND MAKING THE MASSING OF THE NEW HOUSE FIT WITH THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND REALLY ULTIMATELY OUR GOAL FOR THE PROJECT WAS TO MAINTAIN THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER OF THIS SOLANO BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD. THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMES IN THE AREA TUCK THEMSELVES IN THE EXISTING OAK CANOPY THAT WE HAVE EXISTING ON OUR LOT THAT PROVIDES SHADE, WIND PROTECTION AND, ETC. WHAT WE WANTED TO AVOID WAS HAVING TO UNNECESSARILY CLEAR-CUT OR CUT DOWN REALLY ANY OF THESE OLD ROWS OF TREES THAT ARE ON THE SITE WHICH SORT OF SURROUND THIS HOME FROM 1916. SO BY -- WHAT WE ARE ASKING TODAY IS TO ALLOW US TO MAINTAIN TE -- TO BUILD WITHIN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THIS STRUCTURE.

ANY OTHER NEW STRUCTURES WILL CONFORM TO THE CURRENT SETBACKS WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR AN ADDITION TO LOT COVERAGE OR ISR OR THIS R-3 ZONING IN ANY WAY. WE FEEL THAT BREAKING UP THE FOOTPRINT OF THE NEW STRUCTURE WILL ALLOW US TO KEEP THE CHARACTER, KEEP THE TREE CANOPY, ONLY BUILD A TWO-STORY RESIDENCE, AND NOT HAVE TO SORT OF GLOM ALL THE PROGRAM TOGETHER AND BUILD A MUCH LARGER VOLUME HOUSE THAT ACTUALLY WE HAVE BEEN SEEING A LOT OF IN THE LAST FEW YEARS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THAT IS OUR GOAL. THAT IS OUR GOAL FOR TODAY.

THE ADJACENT LOT IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THIS LOT ON SHERMAN STREET IS A GREAT EXAMPLE WHAT WE ARE TRYING NOT TO DO.

SOMEONE BOUGHT IT AND COMPLETELY CLEAR CUT THE SITE TO NOT WITHIN THE REGULATIONS OF THE ZONING CODE COMPLETELY CLEARED IT.

AND THAT LOT WAS SOLD SUBSEQUENTLY SINCE THAT OWNER DID. BUT IT IS -- IT IS AN EXAMPLE LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT DOOR OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO NOT DO.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESERVE WITH THE EXISTING SITE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON. THE EXISTING APPROACH TO THE HOUSE THAT EXISTS TODAY. FRONT DOOR, SIDE AND BACKYARDS REALLY STAY THE SAME WITH OUR NEW -- WITH OUR NEW DESIGN.

SO IN THAT ASPECT, WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THAT ORIGINAL CHARACTER OF HOW -- HOW THIS -- HOW THIS HOUSE FUNCTIONS.

WE ARE IN A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNIQUE SITUATION AT THE INTERSESSION OF SHERMAN AND THIRD STREET.

ALMOST A QUIET INTERSECTION. LIKE THE END OF BOTH ROAD.

NOT A TON OF TRAFFIC ON THE STREET OTHER THAN FOLKS THAT LIVE IMMEDIATE LEAD ADJACENT TO THESE AREAS.

IN SUMMARY, REALLY, WE BELIEVE THAT -- REQUESTING THE USE OF THE EXISTING HOME'S FOOTPRINT WILL ALLOW A BETTER, MORE INTE GRATED FINAL PROJECT AND KEEP WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. SO MICHELLE AND LARRY WILL COME

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IF YOU HAVE THEM. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS MICHELLE MONTELLO. THIS IS MY HUSBAND, LARRY.

AS CONNOR SAID, WE DID PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY IN 2021.

ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHERE WE RANTED TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY MY SISTER IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AND WE ARE PLANNING TO BUILD A SUITE FOR MY MOTHER. WE WANT TO HAVE A JOINT EFFORT OF TAKING CARE OF HER FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE.

THE OTHER MAIN REASON WE LOVE THIS PROPERTY.

AT THE NUMEROUS OLD COASTAL OAKS, CEDAR AND PALMS EXISTED AROUND THE EXISTING HOME AND WE WANT TO KEEP THE TREES ON THE PROPERTY. THE VARIANCE WILL ALLOW US TO MAINTAIN THE PRISTINE NATURE AROUND THE PROPERTY AS WE BUILD A MODEST HOME AMONGST THE TREE. THIS CAN ONLY BE INCLUDED IF WE HAVE THE FOOTPRINTED OF THE STRUCTURE.

THE ADJACENT PLOT WAS CLEAR CUT AFTER WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.

IT WAS DEVASTATING. THEY LOST -- SLIDES THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT. THERE WERE NUMEROUS CEDARS, SHRUBS, OAKS, AND ALL WE HAVE NOW IS A PILE OF DIRT THAT WE LOOK AT. WE WANT TO AVOID THAT COM COMPLETELY. WE REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING HERE PERMANENTLY. WE HAVE BEEN COMING HERE FOR 25 YEARS. WE WERE MARRIED HERE IN 2011.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO LIVING HERE. >>GREG MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? RICHARD?

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: I HAVE A COUPLE.

I HAVE THINK IT IS ADMIRABLE THAT YOU WANT TO SAVE THE TREE ON THE PROPERTY, THE NICE LIVE OAK AND CEDARS -- NOT CLEAR WHAT A HERITAGE PALM IS. YOU HAVE PHOTOS OF AN OLDER PALM AND THOSE ARE ADMIRABLE GOALS. I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE APPLICATION AND MAYBE I MISS IT WITH THE OTHER ITEMS I LOOKED AT. DOES THIS HOME HAVE ANY HISTORIC DESIGNATION SINCE IT WAS BUILT IN 1916?

>> NOT OTHER THAN JUST THE DATE ITSELF, THE YEAR OF THE HOME ITSELF. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE IT WAS MODIFIED OVER THE YEARS PRIOR TO MICHELLE AND LARRY PURCHASED IT.

NOT THAT WE ARE AWARE OF. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: LOOKED LIKE IT WAS MODIFIED SOME WITH PHOTOS.

I WANT TO ASK COUNTY STAFF, NO EXTRA PERMIT TO TEAR DOWN A HOME BUILT IN 1916? TERESA, I GUESS MAYBE YOU HEARD ME? SO I WILL ASK MY NEXT QUESTION WHILE SHE IS LOOKING THAT UP. IT SEEMED TO ME POTENTIALLY, YOU HAVE THE HOUSE ON THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT.

I THINK THAT IS GREAT. EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL NEED A VARIANCE NOW TO DO THAT. BUT IF -- AND YOU NEED IT ON TWO SIDES. AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME ANCILLARY STRUCTURES, GARAGE AND SO FORTH IN THE BACK.

>> CORRECT. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: COULDN'T YOU MOVE THE HOUSE BACK AT LEAST ONE DIMENSION AND YOU ONLY WOULD NEED A VARIANCE FOR ONE SIDE, NOT BOTH.

WILL THAT WORK AT ALL? >> IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO JUST LOOKING AT OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN, DOING THAT WOULD -- WOULD MAKE US MORE THAN LIKELY LOSE ONE OF THE -- ONE OF THE TREES.

THEY ARE EXTREMELY CLOSE TO THE ADJACENT HOUSE.

YOU CAN SORT OF SEE MY FINGER POINTING HERE SO THAT REALLY WAS THE REASON. WITHOUT -- WITHOUT SORT OF BOTH VARIANCES, WE ARE REALLY UNABLE TO SEPARATE THE STRUCTURES.

WE SORT OF ARE GOING TO BE PUT IN A SITUATION WHERE WE WILL HAVE TO PUT EVERYTHING UNDER ONE ROOF, SO TO SPEAK.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: RIGHT. BUT STILL LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU CAN MOVE THAT -- THE MAIN HOUSE STRUCTURE BACK TO THE NORTH A LITTLE BIT BUT THAT IS WHERE THE HERITAGE PALM IS?

>> RIGHT. THE PALM IS HERE.

THESE ARE TWO -- WE ARE MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO -- WHICH IS AN ADMIRABLE GOAL TO ONLY HAVE TO TRIM THE EXISTING TREES, NOT TO HAVE TO TAKE ANY DOWN AT ALL. THAT IS OUR ULTIMATE GOAL.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: OKAY. AND IF WE GRANTED THIS, WE WOULD HAVE A GUARANTEE YOU WOULD NOT TAKE ANY TREES DOWN.

>> THAT IS -- YEAH, THAT IS OUR GOAL.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: YOUR GOAL, BUT YOU ARE NOT

GUARANTEEING IT? >> WELL, I THINK -- BASICALLY WHERE WE ARE NOW GETTING THE APPROVAL FOR THE VARIANCE, WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE -- REALLY ONLY THE TREES THAT ARE CLOSEST TO THE STRUCTURE. THE HERITAGE PALM AND REALLY

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AND THAT WE CAN -- YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT MEANS OF METHODS OF BUILDING AROUND AN EXISTING TREE WITHOUT DISTURBING THEIR ROOTS, BUT UNTIL WE GET REALLY INTO THAT AND KNOWING WHAT WE HAVE TO -- WHAT WE HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH, BUT THAT IS OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO NOT LOSE ANY OF THE TREES.

AND I THINK -- AND THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING HOUSE REGARDLESS IF WE WERE GRANTED THE VARIANCE WOULDN'T CHANGE BASED ON OUR -- THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE SO FAR.

OR THIS WAS OUR PREFERRED SITE PLAN.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: WHEN I FIRST READ THIS, I THOUGHT, AS LONG AS NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS OBJECT, I AM PROBABLY FINE WITH IT, ABOUT YOU WE DO HAVE SOME OBJECTIONS HAND THIS GOES FOR ANOTHER ITEM TODAY THAT I SAW AS WELL.

I THOUGHT, WELL, AS LONG AS NOBODY OBJECTS, I COULD BE FINE WITH IT. BUT PEOPLE HAVE.

SO MAYBE TERESA COULD -- I WANTED TO ASK, ARE YOU AN

ARCHITECT? >> YES, SIR.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: OKAY, THANK YOU.

GRE, TERESA. >>TERESA BISHOP: TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION REGARDING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND ITS HISTORIC VALUE. THE HISTORIC CULTURAL SECTION DID REVIEW IT. THEY DO HAVE COMMENTS.

THEY SAID PLEASE NOTE THAT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THE SITE IS QUALIFIED AS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE BUILT IN 1916.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 3.014.

THE STRUCTURE MAY BE SIGNIFICANT.

IF CONSIDERED SIGNIFICANT MUST BE 50 YEARS OR OLDER AND THREE OF THE RECOGNIZED QUALITY OF INTEGRITY, LOCATION, DESIGN, SETTING, MATERIALS, WORKMANSHIP, ASSOCIATION.

AND IT MUST MEET ONE OF THE CRITERIA LISTED IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 3.014.0C 2. THIS DETERMINATION WILL BE MADE DURING THE DEMOLITION PERMITTING PROCESS FOR THE STRUCTURE.

A CULTURAL RESEARCH SURVEY OR AMERICAN BUILDING SURVEY MAY BE REQUESTED. IF DETERMINED TO BE SIGNIFICANT, FURTHER MITIGATION EFFORTS MAY BE REQUIRED.

SO -- >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE MLK HOUSE THAT WE DEALT WITH LAST YEAR. THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. SEEMS TO ME -- I WISH WE CAN HAVE THAT DETERMINATION NOW. I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BEFORE WE HAVE GIVEN AN APPR, BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD BEFORE WE DO THAT -- VOTE ON THIS.

BUT THAT IS MY OPINION. ALL RIGHT, THAT'S IS ALL I HAVE

RIGHT NOW. >> WE HAVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT.

WE WALKED AROUND TO CREATE AS MANY AS WE COULD, LETTERS OF SUPPORT. DO YOU HAVE THAT?

>> I DON'T HAVE THEM. >>GREG MATOVINA: MEAGHAN.

>>MEAGHAN PERKINS: I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED OF YOUR SITE PLAN.

NOT CLEAR WHAT THE FOOTPRINT IF YOU APPLY TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARDS FOR THE SETBACK.

WOULD YOU -- IF YOU IGNORE THE TREES, WOULD YOUR PROPOSED HOUSE BE ABLE TO FIT WITHIN THE SETBACK?

>> NOT THE CURRENT DESIGN. THIS IS SORT OF THE LINE OF THE CURRENT SETBACK. IT IS 20 FEET HERE FOR THE SECOND FRONT YARD AND 25 FEET FOR THE FIRST FRONT YARD.

>>MEAGHAN PERKINS: OKAY, I SEE THAT.

>> THIS DESIGNATION HERE. >>MEAGHAN PERKINS: YOU CAN MOVE THAT ENTIRE STRUCTURE WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT.

YOU WILL GAIN ACCESS TO THAT POOL.

IS THERE THERE OR PLANNED. >> IT IS A PLANNED POOL.

WE CAN FIT THE PROGRAM WE ARE TRYING TO FIT OF THE EXISTING SETBACKS. BUT ELIMINATE SORT OF DETACHING THE STRUCTURE. HAVING A DETACHED GARAGE AND MOTHER-IN-LAW'S COTTAGE AND FORCE US INTO MAKING ONE STRUCTURE THAT IS SORT OF UNDER ONE ROOF.

>>MEAGHAN PERKINS: IT COULD BE DONE.

THE VARIANCE YOU ARE BASICALLY ASKING FOR YOUR HARDSHIP ARE THE TREES. YOU DON'T WANT TO CUT DOWN THE

TREES. >> CORRECT, THE HARDSHIP OF THE TREES AND ALSO USING THE EXISTING BUILDING'S FOOTPRINT AND MAINTAINING THE EXISTING CHARACTER.

>>MEAGHAN PERKINS: I THOUGHT YOU SAID EARLIER ONLY TWO TREES THAT

YOU ARE PRESERVING? >> IT IS ALSO -- ALL THE TREES ALONG SHERWOOD WHICH WOULD REALLY HAVE TO BECOME THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE BY THE CURRENT SETBACKS IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD NEED TO BE -- NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT SOME WILL BE REMOVED FOR A DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING.

PROBABLE WHAT THE ACCESS WOULD NEED TO COME IF WE REORIENTED THE HOUSE PER THE CURRENT SETBACKS.

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BUT A FEW SUBSTANTIAL CEDAR ALONG THE FRONT ALONG SHERWOOD, AND THERE ARE TWO -- TWO OR THREE OAKS IN THIS AREA.

ONE LARGER ONE HERE, HERE AND HERE.

>>MEAGHAN PERKINS: THANK YOU. AND THEY GO OVER THE HOUSE.

>>GREG MATOVINA: ANY QUESTIONS? >> HE HAS TWO FRONT YARDS AND SEEING HOW IT IS GOING TO WORK OUT.

>>GREG MATOVINA: ELVIS? >>ELVIS PIERRE: NO, SIR.

>>GREG MATOVINA: I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.

NO DRIVEWAY, WHERE DO THEY COME FROM?

>> AREA TO THE BACK THAT IS SORT OF THE EXISTING ACCESS TO THE HOUSE. OUR PROPOSAL IS KIND OF LIKE A SMALL MOTOR COURT TOWARD THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE WILL BE ACCESSED HERE FROM THE REAR OF THE HOUSE HE.

>>GREG MATOVINA: THE DRIVEWAY OVER THE BIG TREE IN THE BACK.

>> EXISTING PATHWAY BETWEEN THE TREES.

IT IS JUST DIRT AND SORT OF GRAVEL PATH.

>>GREG MATOVINA: BURRING GOING TO DRIVE OVER THE DIRT OR

CONCRETE? >> WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO HAVE

CONCRETE. >>GREG MATOVINA: OKAY.

SO IF YOU MOVED TO THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE, THAT GARAGE, I

ASSUME, IS SINGLE STORY, RIGHT? >> YES.

>>GREG MATOVINA: LOOKS TO ME THE SIDE OF THAT GARAGE, THE FOOTING OF THAT GARAGE IS RIGHT AT THE BASE OF THE TREE.

>> THE EXISTING TREES RIGHT HERE?

>>GREG MATOVINA: YEAH. >> TWO SMALLER OAK TREES HERE AND OUR GOAL IS TO, AGAIN, AVOID REMOVING THOSE TREES.

THEY ARE NOT WITHIN -- THEY ARE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE SETBACK.

AND WE WILL -- SIMILAR TO THE OTHERS, WE WILL HAVE TO REALLY BE CAREFUL AND DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE ABOUT HOW WE CONSTRUCT A FOOTING IN THAT ONE PARTICULAR ZONE WHICH WOULD BE THE CASE REGARDLESS OF OUR VARIANCE REQUEST IN THAT LOCATION.

>> MOVING SOUTH FROM THERE YOU HAVE YOUR POOL DECK.

IT EXTENDS CLEARLY INTO THE TRUNK OF THE TREE.

>> WE ARE ENVISIONING THAT TO BE A WOOD POOL DECK.

EXISTING DECK THAT WRAPS THE TWO TREES OF THE HOUSE WHICH WE ARE USING THAT AS INSPIRATION TO RECONFIGURE THAT DECK AND WRAP THOSE OAK TREES WITH JUST A WOOD DECK.

>>GREG MATOVINA: OFF TWO-STORY HOUSE?

>> YES. >>GREG MATOVINA: FIT IT AROUND THE TREE IN THE RIGHT FRONT OF THE HOUSE?

>> YES, ALL THE CURRENT TREES -- THAT IS WHY WE ARE SORT OF STEPPING BACK THE SECOND STORY TO LET -- NOT HAVE TO TRIM UP THE CANOPY AS MUCH AS WE CAN, AND ALSO TO NOT HAVE A LARGE FACADE ALONG SHERWOOD AVENUE. ANOTHER THOUGHT TO STEP THE

SECOND STORY BACK. >>GREG MATOVINA: RICHARD?

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: CONCERNING THE PATH IN THE BACK THE ACCESS FOR THE GARAGE. HOW WIDE IS THAT?

>> 12 FEET WIDE CURRENTLY CLEAR. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO WIDEN OUT AND IMPROVE THAT AT ALL?

>> NO. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: ALL

RIGHT, THANKS. >> ACTUALLY ON-STREET PARKING ON EITHER SIDE OF THIRD STREET CURRENTLY AT THE LOT -- ALSO AT MICHELLE AND LARRY'S SISTER'S PROPERTY WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS

THIRD STREET FROM THAT DRIVEWAY. >>GREG MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT? HEARING ON, WE HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKERS.

>> CARSON TILLMAN. >>GREG MATOVINA: CARSON TILLMAN.

>>CLERK: I HAVE YOUR WIFE RIGHT AFTER YOU.

JUST ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE. >> COME ON.

WILL YOU DEFER TO HER I AM UNDER THE WEATHER.

MY VOICE IS NOT THE PEST IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.

I WILL LET HER SPEAK FOR ME. >> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS

FOR THE RECORD. >> CHERYL TILLMAN, 161 SHERWOOD AVENUE. WE WOULD HOPE THAT THE VARIANCE WOULD BE GRANTED. WE LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM. WE ALSO OWN THE PROPERTY BESIDE OURS WITH ANOTHER HOME PRETTY MUCH ACROSS THE STREET.

A COUPLE OF OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY THERE.

THE CLEAR-CUT PROPERTY, WE HAD OWNED THAT AT ONE TIME AND IT HAD BEAUTIFUL TREES ON IT. WE SOLD IT.

AND THEN THE MAN THAT WE SOLD IT TO COMPLETELY CLEAR CUT IT.

IT WAS DEVASTATING. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE VARIANCE GRANTED SO WE CAN AT LEAST KEEP THE TREES THAT ARE ON

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HOPEFULLY KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ANYTHING ELSE? >> NOT THAT I CAN THINK.

>> THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT. >>GREG MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> COULD I ASK A QUESTION OF HER?

>>GREG MATOVINA: SURE. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: EXCUSE ME, ARE YOU THE SISTER, THE APPLICANT'S SISTER?

>> NO, I AM TO THE SOUTH. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: OKAY.

>>CLERK: DEBBY HANKS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

I AM DEBBY HANKS. I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY UNDER CONSIDERATION.

AND FULL DISCLOSURE, I AM THE SISTER.

WHEN MY HUSBAND AND I PURCHASED OUR PROPERTY IN 2019, WE FELL IMMEDIATELY IN LOVE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THIS QUAINT, QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL OLD OAK TREES THAT NOT ONLY PROVIDE AMPLE SHADE AS CONNOR HAS AID SAND HELP THE WINDBREAK AS WELL. THERE IS AN INCREDIBLE NATURAL CANOPY OF OAK TREES THAT REACH ACROSS OUR TWO PROPERTIES ON THIRD STREET AND A SHAME TO DESTROY WHAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND IMPOSSIBLE TO REPLACE THEM AND LITERALLY THIRD STREET RUNS BETWEEN OUR TWO PROPERTIES AND THE CANOPY LIKE MAGNOLIA AVENUE AND EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

WE BUILT OUR HOME, WE PRESERVED EVERY ONE OF THE EXISTING OLD OAK TREES. NO THE BEST WAY TO GO BUT THE MOST RESPONSIBLE IF WE WERE GOING TO A HOUSE THERE.

THE HOME PROPOSED FOR MY SISTER TO BE BUILT AT 3023RD STREET IS IN KEEPING WITH THE EXISTING TREED LOT AND AMBIENCE OF THE COMMUNITY. HAVING TO LOSE ANY OF OUR TREES WILL BE A HUGE LOSS TO THE QUALITY OF THE SLICE OF HEAVEN WE CALL HOME. WE LOVE IT.

THEY LOVED IT FOR YEARS TOO SINCE WE HAVE BEEN THERE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >>MEAGHAN PERKINS: WE HAVE NO

MORE SPEAKERS. >>GREG MATOVINA: WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP AND OFFER SOME REBUTTAL? YOU ARE ALLOWED TO COME UP AND OFFER REBUTTAL TO THOSE COMMENTS. I AM ASSUMING YOU DON'T WANT TO OFFER ANY, YOU HAVE ABOUT GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.

ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT? OKAY.

THEN WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

YES, MEAGHAN. >>MEAGHAN PERKINS: MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE ZVAR 2023-14 MARSH HOUSE ON SEVEN CONDITIONS AND FINDINGS OF FACT. HENRY.

>> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >>GREG MATOVINA: ANY DISCUSSION?

>> UNLESS YOU NEED SOMETHING. >>GREG MATOVINA: I THOUGHT I HEARD YOUR BUTTON CLICK, SORRY. I HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.

>> I CAN PUT SOME POINTS IN ABOUT IT.

>>GREG MATOVINA: I AM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS VARIANCE AS PRESENTED BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, IF THOSE TREES HAVE THE CANOPY AS SHOWN, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THREE OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE -- NOT BE ABLE TO BE SAVED. THE THREE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

AND THE ONE THAT WILL HAVE THE DRIVEWAY OVER IT PROBABLY WILL BE UNDER STRESS. SO I -- I AM NOT SURE BASED ON THE DRAWING I AM LOOKING AT HERE AND WHAT I HAVE HEARD, AND I HAVE DEALT WITH THIS MANY TIMES. I HAVE A DEVELOPMENT WHERE I HAD TO BUILD A SWALE AROUND A TREE. I AM NOT SURE THIS WILL WORK AS PRESENTED. IT NAY BE IT IS NOT PRESENTED RIGHT OR ACCURATELY, LET ME JUST SAY, BUT AS I SEE IT, BASED AND THIS PRESENTATION, IT IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO PRESERVE THOSE TREES. SO HENRY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING

ELSE TO ADD? >> YEAH, I WAS GOING TO FOLLOW UP. AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.

WHICH IS WHY HE SAID HE CAN'T PROMISE EVERYTHING.

WE KNOW TO GET THIS CLOSE TO THE ROOTS OF TREES, SOME OF THESE PROBABLY WON'T MAKE IT. I AM GOING TO GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO SEE IF HE CAN TRY TO MAKE THIS WORK.

AND IF NOT, YOU KNOW, TREES DON'T LAST FOREVER.

WE DON'T LAST FOREVER. HOPE HOPEFULLY THEY WILL PLANT SOMETHING AND KEEP IT.

YES, HE CAN MAKE IT WORK. BUT HE IS DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE TO CUT SOME TREES DOWN IF HE WANTS TO MAKE HIS SETBACKS WORK. AND HE IS SIT ON A CORNER WHERE IT IS ALSO JUST -- SOMETIMES CEATES A MORE PROBLEM THAN A STRAIGHT FRONT LOT. SOME WITHOUT THE NEIGHBORS

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>>GREG MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT, RICHARD.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE ARCHITECT A QUESTION OR TWO. AND I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS IN THE APPLICATION, BUT IS THIS -- WHAT IS THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW? THE TOP GRAPHIC ELEVATION.

>> THE PROPERTY SLOPES FROM -- SO, AS YOU WOULD IMAGINE, TOWARD THE MARSH STARTING FROM THE NORTHEAST SIDE DOWN TO THE SOUTHWEST SIDE WHICH IS EXACERBATED SLIGHTLY FROM THE FACT THAT OUR NEIGHBORING PROPERTY THAT WAS CLEAR CUT WAS ALSO RAZED AND THEY PUT A STEM WALL ON THEIR PROPERTY LINE WHICH IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON FOR SEPARATING THE STRUCTURES.

JUST TO -- OUR GOAL IS TO NOT ARE HAVE A BUNCH OF FILL.

OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NOT GOOD IN MAINTAINING THE EXISTING TREES.

SO THAT CURRENTLY AT THE LOWEST POINT, THE PROPERTY IS AROUND 4.5 TO 5 FEET. THE EXISTING HOUSE 8.5 FEET, FINISHED FLOOR THAT ACTUALLY DIDN'T FLOOD SURPRISINGLY.

ESPECIALLY DUE TO ITS LOCATION. OUR PLAN IS TO GO UP -- WE ARE LOOKING AT 9.5 TO 10 AT THE VERY HIGHEST SO WE ARE NOT MAKING A LARGE ADJUST NUMBERS OUR NEW FINISH FLOOR.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CODE.

>> CORRECT. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: WILL

YOU ABOUT IT OFF GRADE. >> WE PROBABLY WILL PROBABLY BUILD IT OFF GRADE BECAUSE OF THE TREE ROOTS.

AND PART OF IT STEM WALL AND SLAB ON GRADE.

AND IT WE WILL HAVE A HYBRID TO ADDRESS -- HAVE A FIGHTING CHANCE WITH THE TREES LIKE YOU ARE SAYING, MR. GREEN.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: BLACK IT OFF GRADE WITH PILLAR, CONCRETE POST-MAY SAVE THE ROOTS OF THE TREES?

>> WE WILL TAKE THE CRITICAL AREAS.

ONCE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE TREE ROOTS ARE.

THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH PAST PROJECTS, PLAN ON KNOWING

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CONSTRUCTION TYPE. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: OKAY,

THANK YOU. >>GREG MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST THE MEMBERS? IF NOT, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION PASSES 3-2. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2.

IS THERE ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE FOR ITEM NUMBER 2? ALL RIGHT, IS THE APPLICANT HERE

FOR ITEM NUMBER 2? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, LINDSAY GRAVES, SEAWOOD LEAN, PONTE VEDRA.

I'M HERE WITH MY CONTRACTOR AND MY HUSBAND COULDN'T MAKE IT BUT I PROMISE HE KNOWS I'M HERE. I WANT TO THANK OUR COUNTY, EVAN, WHO HELPED US WITH THE PROCESS.

IT WAS VERY SMOOTH AND EFFICIENT.

THANK YOU. WE LIVED IN PONTE VEDRA FOR 15 YEARS. WE OWNED TWO HOMES.

AND LIVED IN OUR CURRENT HOME FOR SIX YEARS AND EXPECT IT TO BE OUR FOREVER HOME. WE HAVE TWO DAUGHTERS 10 AND 13.

NOW THAT THEY ARE OLDER, WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A POOL IN OUR BACK YARD FOR OUR FAMILY TO ENJOY AND ESPECIALLY TO BEAT THIS HEAT. WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE POOL TO BE USED FOR ACTIVITY AND RERECOVERY.

LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH OUR PROPOSED MINOR MODIFICATION OF THE REAR SETBACK OF TEN FEET IN LIEU OF THE SETBACK FROM ORDINANCE 10-5. WE LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY PONTE VEDRA PONTE VEDRA. THIS IS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF OUR HOME ON SEA LAKE LANE.

OUR LOT IS 90 X 120 FEET. HERE IS OUR SITE PLAN.

AS YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A NARROW BACK YARD.

WITH IT, WE TRY TO MAKE THE BEST USE OF SPACE FOR A SWIMMING POOL AND SPA. THE WEST SIDE OF THE BACK PROPERTY AN OLD OAK TREE PRESERVED DURING THE BUILDOUT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THIS SPACE IS UNUSABLE.

LEAVES US THE SPACE BEHIND THE HOUSE AND THE COVERED CONCRETE PATIO. LOOKING TO SET IT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE SIX FEET TO TWO INCHES.

DUE TO THE POOL DEPTH REQUIREMENT, THE POOL NEEDS TO BE NO LESS THAN FOUR AND A HALF FEET OF THE COVERED CONCRETE PTIO WITH A BENCH AND A DEEP END.

30 FEET ON THE WEST SIDE. 20 FEET ON THE WEST SIDE.

8 FEET FROM THE POOL EQUIPMENT THAT MEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SIDE YARD. PLAN 50% IMPERVIOUS WHICH IS

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THE POOL WILL BE 12 X 3 FEET WITH A SPA ON THE SIDE AND A SCREEN ENCLOSURE PARTICIPATED THE DECK.

THE REQUIRED TEN-FOOT BASKETBALL SETBACK.

AND WE WANT TO GAIN AN ADDITIONAL FOUR FEET.

I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SHARE THE DESIGN. PAN AERIAL VI POOL. HERE IS A LOOK AT THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AS IT EXISTS TO TODAY. WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOME IN 200, WE INSTALLED A SIX-FOOT PRIVACY FENCE AND WE HAVE TALL VY VIBURNIM HEDGES. HERE IS A LOOK AT THE EAST SIDE.

SO IN SUMMARY, WE ARE REQUESTING A MINOR MODIFICATION OF THE REAR YARD SETBACK OF SIX FEET IN LIEU OF TEN-FEET SETBACK FOR OUR FAMILY POOL. WE HAVE OUR E PONTE VEDRA BY-THE-SEA ESTATES H.O.A. AND INTO IMPACT TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND NO CHANGES TO THE PRIVACY FENCE OR HEDGES.

WE REACHED OUT TO OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AND WELCOME STORE FROM THE LIESELS AND THE BARRELS. WE BELIEVE WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBOR WHO LIVES BEHIND US AND SHE SAID SHE WAS NOT CONCERNED. THE MINOR MODIFICATION.

ONLY HAD QUESTIONS OF THE HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION AND HEIGHT OF THE ONE-STORY ENCLOSURE WITHIN THE 13-FOOT HOA REQUIREMENT.

WE EXPECT NO DRAINAGE CONCERNING.

DRAINS FROM THE BACK TO THE FRONT AND ALONG THE SIDES.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO SET A NEW PRECEDENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH OUR REQUEST.

IN RESEARCHING THE PAST PUBLIC HEARINGS I COULD LOCATE ON LIEN, TWO MINOR MODIFICATIONS ARECORD IN OUR E PONTE VEDRA BY-THE-SEA ESTATES COMMUNITY FOR THE SIX-FOOT REAR PROPERTY SETBACK IN THE LAST TWO YEARS TO ACCOMMODATE ALSO A SWIMMING POOL. A 2022-08 APPROVED FOR SIX FEET AND 2021-04 APPROVED JUNE 2021 FOR SIX FEET, SEVEN INCHES AND ASKING FOR THE SAME SIX-FOOT CONSIDERATION. LASTLY, THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF OUR HOA APPROVAL LEVEL. AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TO OUR REQUEST.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >>GREG MATOVINA: ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY SPEAKERS -- RICHARD.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: MORE OF A COMMENT.

SINCE YOU ALREADY HAVE ATU THE 234U8HOA APPROVAL AND TWO OTHER APPROVALS FOR SETBACKS -- BACK-YARD SETBACKS.

SITTING UP THERE BOTH THOSE DATES, I DON'T SEE HOW I COULD POSSIBLY ME VOTE AGAINST IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >>GREG MATOVINA: ARE THERE ANY

SPEAKER CARDS? >> NONE.

>>GREG MATOVINA: BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MEAGHAN. >>MEAGHAN PERKINS: MOTION TO APPROVE MINMOD GRAVES POOL AS SAID IN THE STAFF REPORT.

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>>GREG MATOVINA: MOTION B BY MEGHAN.

SECOND BY RICHARD -- HENRY WAS ON THE QUEUE.

>>HENRY GREEN: TRYING TO BEAT MEAGHAN TO THE PUNCH.

>>GREG MATOVINA: RICHARD FOR THE SECOND.

RECORD YOUR VOTE. THAT MOTION PASS 5-0.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3. IS THERE ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE FOR ITEM NUMBER 3?

OKAY, MISS WHITTINGTON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I AM MIKE RICH WITH ELEVATION DEVELOPMENT. SOUTH ORANGE AVENUE, ORLANDO, 32801. WE HAVE COME TO YOU GUYS TODAY TOSEE IF WE CAN MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO OUR MAJOR -- TO OUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT. KNOWN AS ELEVATION PARKWAY.

SINCE WE HAD OUR ORIGINAL APPROVALS, THEY WERE APPROACHED BY PUBLIX SUPERMARKETS. AND I HAVE ABOUT A 23-YEAR

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PROPERTY MOST OF IT IS WETLANDS ALREADY.

OUR IMPACTS ARE SMALL TO BEGIN WITH.

WHAT WE ARE ADDING TO THIS IS NOT MUCH EITHER, BUT IT DOES ALLOW US TO ACCOMMODATE PUBLIC SUPERMARKETS THAT WE ALL KNOW.

PUBLIX HOW GOOD OF A CORPORATE CITIZEN PUBLIX CAN BE.

WHAT WE ARE DOING IN EXCHANGE FOR THIS REDUCING OUR OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF COMMERCIAL. OUR PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON STATE ROAD 16. WE ARE ALL VERY AWARE OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS ON STATE ROAD 16.

THROUGH A NUMBER OF MEASURES THROUGH THE REDUCTION OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AS YOU KNOW WE ARE REROUTING COUNTY ROAD 208.

A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION ON OUR PART IN REALIGNING THAT ROADWAY AND THEN REDUCING THE COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. WE THINK THAT THE IMPACTS AND THE TRAFFIC BURDEN ON COUNTY ROAD -- OR STATE ROAD 16 ARE GOING TO BE REDUCED AND WILL HELP EVERYBODY IN THE AREA.

SO THE OTHER BENEFIT OF ADDING PUBLIX ALLOWS OUR PROJECT ELEVATION POINTE A TRUE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

NOW THAT WE HAVE THE GROCERY, WE HAVE OFFICE COMMITTED, MEDICAL OFFICE COMMITTED, LODGING COMMITTED, GROCERY STORE COMMITTED, RESTAURANTS COMMITTED, WE HAVE GAS, FUELING COMMITTED. AND THAT ALLOWS OUR DEVELOPMENT TO BE SORT OF SELF-CONTAINED. ALL THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE AROUND US WILL BE FEEDING OFF OF JUST OUR DEVELOPMENT AND WE THINK WE WILL ONCE AGAIN REDUCE THE IMPACT ON OUR ROAD BY BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS PUBLIX SUPERMARKET.

SO, AGAIN, BACK TO THE WETLAND ISSUE.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T GOING TO PACK THE HYDRAULIC BENEFITS OF THE OVERALL SYSTEM.

SO WE ASKED OUR CONSULTANTS TO LOOK AT THE FRINGE AREA OF THESE WET BELANDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WILL NOT BE A MAYOR IMPACT ON THE OVERAURAL FUNCTION FUNCTIONS OF THE SYSTEM.

SO THE PROFESSIONALS WE HIRED ACTUALLY WENT INTO THE FIELD, TOOK A LOOK AT THE AREAS, AND MOST OF THE WETLAND AREAS THAT WE ARE IMPACTING -- ALL THAT WE ARE INTENT TO IMPACT ARE POND WETLANDS. WE HAD WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT VISIT AND LOOKED AT THE SITE. THEY AGREED WITH US AND ISSUED A PERMIT FOR USES TO MITIGATE THESE ADDITIONAL WETLANDS.

I THINK WE KIND OF DONE ALL OUR HOMEWORK ON THIS.

AND WE ARE HERE TODAY TO SEE IF WE CAN DO A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING AND MODIFY THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND THE AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THE COUNTY.

SO FAR AS TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, I HAVE GOT MY PROS HERE WHO KNOW MORE THAN I DO.

SO I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO BILL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

THAT YOU WANT TO ASK. >> BOARD MEMBERS, A COUPLE OF ITEMS. MISS WHITTINGTON IS TRAVELING TODAY, SO I AM FILLING IN FOR KATHRYN TODAY TO DO THE TECHNICAL PART OF THE PRESENTATION.

AND I WILL DO A COUPLE OF INTRODUCTIONS.

>>GREG MATOVINA: FIRM THAT AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD BILL.

>> BILL SHINLY WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES, GRAND BAY PARKWAY, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, 32558.

THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST SPOKE IS MIKE RICH.

AND HE IS REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER.

HE VERY MUCH WANTED TO GO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF OVERVIEW FOR THE REASON WHY WE ARE REQUESTING THIS MAJOR MODIFICATON.

IT IS BECAUSE, IT IS ALL RELATED TO THE COMMERCIAL USERS WITHIN THIS PUD. THE ORIGINAL PUD WAS APPROVED IN 2020. FROM A BIG PICTURE STANDPOINT, SOME OF THE ORIGINAL USERS THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING -- OR THE DEVELOPER WAS ANTICIPATING TO GO ON THESE PARCELS HAVE CHANGED.

IN 2020, WHEN THE ORIGINAL P.U.D. WAS APPROVED, WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE THAT THE PUBLIX WILL COME TO THIS SITE.

AND WE ARE VERY EXCITE OF THE FACT THAT NOW PUBLIX HAS CHOSEN THIS SITE. AND SO WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE SIZE OF THE

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AND YOU WILL SEE SOME OTHER PARCELS WE ARE ACCOMMODATING FOR SOME USERS THAT WE CAN'T QUITE ANNOUNCE PUBLICLY YET.

THAT WAS MIKE RICH WITH ELEVATION DEVELOPMENT.

AND I AM HERE REPRESENTING TRAFFIC.

KATHRYN WHITTINGTON IS OUR ATTORNEY AND SHE COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY AND SENDS ALL HER BEST.

WE HAVE JODY SISK WITH ATLANTA ECOLOGICAL SERVICES.

THE WHOLE TEAM WILL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I AM GOING TO JUST STEP THROUGH A COUPLE OF -- I AM GOING TO GET INTO THE WEEDS FOR A MINUTE ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF THIS ABOUT THE SPECIFIC CHANGES THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR.

ELEVATION POINTE, THE PROJECT STATE 16 ACROSS FROM THE OUTLET MALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF I-95. AND WE ARE TO THE WEST OF THE INTERCHANGE 95 -- I-95 INTERCHANGE ON ROUTE 16.

THIS GIVES -- THIS SLIDE SHOW WHAT IS IS AROUND US.

AND I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO CLICK FORWARD ONE AND THEN COME BACK.

SO WE ARE WITHIN THE MIXED USE LAND USE AREA.

AND BASICALLY WE ARE WITHIN THE MIXED USE NODE THAT SURROUNDS THE ENTIRE INTERCHANGE, THE STATE ROAD 60 AND I-95 INTERCHANGE THAT HAS A MIX OF USES, BUT MANY OF THOSE USES ARE COMMERCIAL RETAIL, COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST TYPE USES WITH THE OUTLET MALL, A COUPLE OF HOTELS, WITH A GAS STATION CAR DEALERSHIPS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE, ETC.

WE FEEL THAT THE COMMERCIAL USE AND PUBLIX IS A GOOD FIT INTO THE MIXED USE DISTRICT LOOKING AT THE OTHER COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND FITS WITHIN OUR OVERALL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WHICH CONSISTS OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL, HOTEL AND RESIDENTIAL USES ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION AND IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT AND VERY IMPORTANT WHEN IT WAS APPROVED IN 2020, THE MODIFICATION FOR ELEVATION POINTE. THIS PROJECT HAS COMMITTED TO TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS FOR THE COUNTY.

WE ARE COMMITTED TO ROUGHLY $12.6 MILLION OF OFF-SITE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT INCLUDE THE REALIGNMENT -- THE REALIGNMENT OF COUNTY ROAD 208 TO A BRAND-NEW SIGNAL THAT IS BEING INSTALLED FOR IS A NEW FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION ON THE WESTERN -- ALIGNED WITH THE WESTERN ENTRANCE AND ACCESS POINT TO THE OUTLET MALLS. THE PROJECT'S ACTUAL PROPORTIONATE SHARE AMOUNT IS 1.8 MILLION AND $7,000.

AND SO THE -- THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE COMMITTED TO ARE ROUGHLY SEVEN TIMES THE ACTUAL MITIGATION AMOUNT DUE FOT FOR THE PROJECT. WE ARE EXPECTING THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL SIGNIFICANTLY ENHANCE TRAFFIC OPERATIONS, ESPECIALLY DOWN AT THE INTERCHANGE AND IN THIS UNSIGNALIZED COUNTY ROAD 208, STATE ROAD 60, AND INTERSECTION THAT EXISTS TODAY. I WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT THAT. AND AGAIN IT WILL BE IMPORTANT AND I WILL HIT ON THAT TOPIC AGAIN HERE IN A MINUTE.

THE VERY SPECIFICS OF WHAT IT IS WE ARE ASKING FOR IS ONE, WE ARE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN WETLAND IMPACTS.

AND A CORRESPONDING DECREASE IN PRESERVED WETLANDS, OPEN SPACE AND UPLAND BUFFERS. HAND THIS IS TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL AREA, COMMERCIAL PARCEL AREA FOR THE PUBLIX AND OTHER COMMERCIAL USERS.

SO WE ARE INCREASING THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AREA WITHIN THE PROJECT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE NOW REALIZE THAT WE DON'T NEED AS MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE AS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED. SO AS A PART OF THIS MODIFICATION, WE ARE REDUCING THE OVERALL COMMERCIAL ENTITLEMENTS FROM 190,000 SQUARE FEET TO 170,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH RELATES TO ROUGHLY A REDUCTION OF 300 VEHICLE TRIPS A DAY. AND ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE IS, WE ARE PROPOSING THIS CHANGE WITHOUT ANY CHANGE TO OUR MITIGATION PLAN ON THE TRAFFIC SIDE.

SO WHAT I JUST PRESENTED AS FAR AS THE 208 REALIGNMENT, THE CLIENT IS COMPLETELY COMMITTED TO THAT.

AND EVEN THOUGH WE ARE RELEASING COMMERCIAL ENTITLEMENT, WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO HAVE ANY CHANGE OR REDUCTION TO THAT MITIGATION PLAN. AND THEN AS MENTIONED, FINALLY, WE ARE RECONFIGURING THE SHAPES OF SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL

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WE MENTIONED THE PUBLIX. SO THIS GETS INTO SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE ACTUAL NUMBERS. AND I WILL HIT OPEN SPACE FIRST.

OUR POPE SPACE FROM 10 .1 ACRES TO 92.9 ACRES TAKE US FROM 52.2% OF THE PROJECT TO 48.9% OF THE PROJECT BEING OWNERSHIP SPACE.

WE STILL WELL EXCEED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENT OF 25% OPEN SPACE FOR THE PUD. AS FAR AS THE WETLAND IMPACTS GO, TODAY, THERE ARE SIX ACRES OF WETLAND IMPACTS THAT ARE APPROVED. WE ARE INCREASING THAT BY ROUGHLY NINE ACRES TO A TOTAL IMPACT NOW OF 15 ACRES.

SO IT IS ROUGHLY A PROPOSED IMPACT OF ROUGHLY 18% OF THE WETLANDS HAND THIS IS ACTUALLY A TYPO.

THIS IS ACTUALLY 8% OF THE TOTAL SITE, NOT 9%.

THIS IS THE APPROVED MPD MAP. I WILL POINT AT THIS AREA AND THIS AREA. THIS -- SO THIS IS STATE ROAD 16. THESE ARE THE COMMERCIAL OUTPARCELS ALONG STATE ROAD 16, THE REALIGNED 208.

THIS IS THE AREA WHERE WE ARE MAKING CHANGES.

THERE ARE NO CHANGES PROPOSED TO EITHER OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

THIS IS THE APARTMENT AREA THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

THIS IS THE TOWN HOME AREA UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE NOW ADDED THE FOOTPRINT FOR THE PUBLIX AND THE PUBLIX PARKING FIELD TO THE MDP MAP AND INCREASED THE WETLAND IMPACTS HERE AND ALSO INCREASED THE SIZE OF THESE PARCELS AND INCREASED THE WETLAND IMPACTS RIGHT HERE.

TALK A LITTLE BIT OF THE JUSTIFICATION.

WE ARE SPREADING ALREADY APPROVED ENTITLEMENTS OVER NEW UPLAND AREA THAT IS BEING CREATED BY WET LABLDLAND IMPACTS. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR NEW ENTITLEMENT, IN FACT WE ARE REDUCING THE ENTITLEMENT FROM 190,000 SQUARE FEET TO 170,000 SQUARE FEET AND ROUGHLY 00 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY REDUCTION AS MIKE MENTIONED, THE NEWLY HAVE BEEN APPROVED FROM THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND WE HAVE THAT PERMIT IN HAND. AS WELL, WE HAVE ALREADY SECURED ALLOCATIONS OF THE MITIGATION BANK CREDITS THAT ARE REQUIRD TO MITIGATE THOSE IMPACTS. THEY ARE ON THE FRINGE OF THE WETLANDS. MODERATE WETLANDS ON AREA WITH SPLASHED PINES AND FURROWS. WE MINIMIZED OUR WETLAND IMPACTS OF THOSE THAT ARE HYDRO PLANTATION HABITAT.

AND AS WELL -- AND I WILL SHOW ON THE MAP WHEN WE GET THERE.

THERE IS A CENTRAL DEEP SWAMP AREA.

HIGHEST QUALITY WETLAND AREA AND WE INTANGS LEGAL AVOIDED THAT AREA AND STAYED OUT OF THAT AREA.

THIS IS A SCAN OF THE WETLAND PERMIT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO IMPACT THE ADDITIONAL NINE ACRE THIS IS THE WETLAND MAP IS PART OF THE PERMIT AND COLOR VERSION THAT I WILL CLICK TO THAT HELPS REALLY EXPLAIN WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE AND THREE COLORS ON THE MAP.

THE PURPLE AREAS ARE THE WETLAND AREAS THAT WERE AIR PROVED FOR IMPACT IN 2020 AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL FOR ELEVATION POINTE. THESE WETLAND IMPACTS RIGHT HERE IN CYAN AND RIGHT HERE ARE THE ADDITIONAL NEW WETLAND IMPACTS THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR AND ASKING AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION. THOSE WETLAND AREAS IN GREEN WHICH IS THIS LARGE AREA AND THIS AREA ARE WETLAND THAT WERE CONSERVED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION AND REMAIN CONSERVED. THE HIGHEST QUALITY WETLANDS IN THE SWAMP AREA REFERENCED ARE IN THE CENTER PORTION HERE.

AS SHOWN, WE ARE STAYING AWAY FROM THAT CENTRAL PORTION.

THE LAST ITEM TO MENTION JUST AS HOUSEKEEPING NOTE.

WE HAVE RECEIVED THE WATER AND SEWER AVAILABILITY LETTER, DEMONSTRATING THERE IS AVAILABLE WATER AND SEWER FOR THESE USES ON THIS PROPERTY. WITH THAT, IF THERE ARE ANY

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AND CERTAINLY IF THERE IS ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, WE WILL BE STANDING BY TO ANSWER AND/OR RESPOND.

THANK YOU. >>GREG MATOVINA: HEN.

>>HENRY GREEN: NOT AT THE MOMENT.

SORRY, I HAVE MY LIGHT ON. >>GREG MATOVINA: RICHARD.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: I HAVE A FEW CONCERNS AND YOU ALWAYS DO A GREAT JOB AND GLAD THAT JODY SISK IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT.I KNOW JODY SOMEWHAT AND HE ALWAYS DOES A GREAT JOB.

I DON'T TAKE THE CONVERSION OF WETLANDS LIGHT 'AT ALL.

I HAVE A WHOLE EXPERIENCE OF WETLAND CONSERVATION AND WORK HISTORY, SO I REALLY DON'T LIKE THE ADDITIONAL IMPACTS TO WETLANDS. COULD YOU PUT THAT COLOR SLIDE BACK UP. THAT ONE.

Y YEAH.

I SEE WHERE THE PUBLIX IS GOING AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO IMPACT THOSE WETLANDS WHERE THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF THE PUBLIX GROCERY STORE IS GOING AND EVERYBODY LIKES TO HAVE PUBLIX AS AN ANCHOR TENANT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ALL ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND JUST TO THE SOUTH, TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE PUBLIX CONTIGUOUS WITH IT AND BLUE AREA, TURQUOISY AREA FURTHER SOUTHEAST, THAT YOU HAVE TO IMPACT THE WETLANDS THERE. YOU CAN GET YOUR PUBLIX IN WITH MAYBE THREE ACRES OF -- JUST EYEBALLING IT, THREE ACRES OF WETLAND IMPACTS WITHOUT HAVING TO DO ADDITIONAL IMPACTS THAT YOU SHOWED THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE NEW 208 -- CONFIGURED 208 AND FURTHER SOUTH EAST OF THE 208.

IF YOU WOULD COME TO US WITH A THREE ACRE OR SO IMPACT FOR THE PUBLIX WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE THING, BUT THESE ADDITIONAL W WETLAND IMPACTS BOTHER ME PERSONALLY.

I DON'T LIKE THEM. AND LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

SO IF YOU REDUCED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR YOUR COMMERCIAL BY 20,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT WILL REDUCE THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS BY 00

NEW TRIPS PER DAY. >> YES, SIR.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: BUT I SHOP AT PUBLIX AND I KNOW WHAT A MAGNET A PUBLIX CAN BE. HOW MANY ADDITIONAL CARS WILL BE BROUGHT IN BY A PUBLIX? I MEAN, YOU ARE MIGHT OF REDUCE 300 BY REDUCING 0,000 SQUARE FEET ELSEWHERE, BUT YOU MAY INCREASE THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC. AND I KNOW -- THE TRAFFIC IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY BECAUSE THIS IS COMMERCIAL. AND YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE TRAFFIC. AND I VOTED AGAINST THIS PREVIOUSLY BACK IN 2020 BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS ON STATE ROAD 16. THOSE WERE MAJOR CONCERN TO ME AND SO FAR -- I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING AND YOU PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS. HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY BETTER, IN MY OPINION, FROM WHAT I OBSERVE. I AM WONDER WHAT A PUBLIX MITOGEN RATE AND MIGHT EXCEED THE 300 TRIPS YOU ARE GOING TO MINIMIZE OR ALLEVIATE BY CHOPPING 20,000 SQUARE FEET.

ALSO YOU ARE ASKING TO IMPACT NINE ACRES OF WETLANDS AND YOU SAY REDUCE THE COMMERCIAL IMPACT BY 20,000 SQUARE FEET.

20,000 SQUARE FEET IS LESS THAN HALF AN ACRE.

SO YOU WANT TO DO NINE ACRES OF WETLAND IMPACTS LESS THAN HALF AN ACRE OF COMMERCIAL REDUCTION. YOU WOULD HAVE A PUBLIX OUT THERE THAT WILL GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT.

WETLANDS WERE CALLED FRINGE WETLANDS AND MAY BE FRINGE AND NOT THE HIGHEST QUALITY WETLANDS IN THE CENTER BUT STILL FUNCTION AS WETLANDS. THEY ARE CLASSIFIED AS WETLANDS UNDER STATE LAW. AND, YOU KNOW, WETLAND ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR COLLECTING, HOLDING, THEN STORING AND THEN FILTERING OUT WATER.

THERE IS ALWAYS FLOODING IN THAT AREA.

IT'S -- I AM GOING TO HAVE TO SAYS IT HEARSAY.

I HAVEN'T PERSONALLY OBSERVED IT, BUT PEOPLE IN WHISPER RIDGE AND GRAY HAWK MAYBE HAVE, THE ALIGNMENT OF 208 AND THE ALIGNMENT OF TWO HOLDING PONDS WILL ALLEVIATE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE A REAL HARD TIME TAKING MORE WETLANDS AND CONVERTING THOSE IN AN AREA THAT IS ALREADY BEEN SHOWN TO BE PRONE TO FLOODING.

ACCORDING LETTERS WE GOT, A LOT OF WATER IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS OR WHISPER RIDGE. IF I LIVED IN GRAY HAWK OR

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LET ME ASK YOU THIS. HAVE YOU ALREADY STARTED ALL THE SEWER LINE UPGRADES ALONG STATE ROAD 16?

>> I WILL NEED TO ASK OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, BRIAN, WITH THAT

STATUS. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: YES,

SIR -- >> NOT YET BUT IT IS A REQUIREMENT. WE ARE WORKING --

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: WHEN I READ ST. JOHNS UTILITY LETTER OF APRIL 14, 2023, TO YOUR OUTFIT, KIMLEY-HORN ON THE STATUS OF THE WASTEWATER, RECLAIMED WATER. IT SAYS PLEASE NOTE THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL EXCEED THE STATE ROAD 16 WASTEWATER CURRENT CAPACITY FOR A FLUENT DISCHARGE. AND ACCORDING THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS, YOU HAD TO UPGRADE, REPLACE WITH LIKE A 16-INCH, I GUESS, FORCE MAIN SEWER LINE ON 5500 FEET ALONG STATE ROAD 16.

AND THEN ANOTHER 940 FEET. SO YOU HAVE A MILE AND A QUARTER

AND I HAVEN'T STARTED THAT? >> HI, MY NAME IS BRIAN DEITSCH WITH KIMLEY-HORN. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION EVERYTHING OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OF STATE ROAD 16 IS BEING PLACED IN THE AVAILABILITY LET IR.

ST. JOHNS UTILITIES DEPARTMENT HAVE A DEFICIENCY WHAT WE CAN RELEASE WITH SEWER. THEY REFERENCE THE SEWER AND WHY IT NEEDS TO BE AND THE RECLAIMED THAT NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED DUE TO THE PROVISIONS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE DONE A FEW DESIGN AND ST. JOHNS UTILITY HAS REACHED BACK US TO AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED, HEY, CAN YOU NOT DO YOUR DESIGN.

WE HAVE A DIFFERENT DESIGN COMING IN.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND WORKING WITH ST. JOHNS UTILITY TO REROUTE.

EVERYTHING FROM THAT IS STILL PROPOSED AND WILL NOT BE.

NO DEVELOPMENT WILL BE COMPLETED WITHOUT IT BEING COMPLETED.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: NO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

>> NONE OF THE PROJECT. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: SO THOSE APATMENTS -- I DRIVE BY THERE QUITE A BIT.

>> CORRECT. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: I DIDN'T SAY THAT IN THE EX-PARTE, YOU HAVE ABOUT I DO DRIVE BY THERE AND SEE THE PARTS AND TOWN HOMES.

>> CORRECT. A REQUIREMENT FOR THE IT.

FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE, THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE MADE, Y YES.

INCLUDING THE TOWN HOMES. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: IN MY OPINION AND HEARING YOUR ANSWER AND WHAT I READ IN THE UTILITY LETTER, I JUST THINK THIS IS PREMATURE UNTIL YOU GET THAT LINE IN. THAT IS A SPECIAL CONDITION THAT YOU NEED TO DO. SO THAT -- THAT IS DISTURBING TO

ME. >> IF CORRECT, THEY CAN NOT OPEN

UNTIL IT IS COMPLETE. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: I WAS CURIOUS -- I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL ANSWER THIS.

BILL, YOU PROBABLY ARE THE BEST PERSON.

OR JODY, I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE APPROVED THIS IN 2020, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE MONTH WHEN IT WAS, BUT YOUR LETTER FROM THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT APPROVING THE WETLAND IMPACTS WAS DATED NEARLY TWO YEARS AGO.

THAT WAS IN OCTOBER OF 2021. THAT THEY APPROVE THIS.

SO Y'ALL HAD THAT LETTER APPROVAL FROM THE ST. JOHNS DISTRICT FOR NEARLY TWO YEARS. AND NOW BRINGING THAT FORWARD TO US. WHAT IS THE DELAY ON TWO YEARS?

>> I WILL TAKE MY BEST GUESS AT THE ANTICIPATE AND MIKE CAN SHAKE HIS HEAD YES OR NO. BUT I DO KNOW THAT WORKING THROUGH THE PUBLIX REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE AND PUBLIX APPROVAL FOR A SITE IS A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: I CAN IMAGINE.

>> I BELIEVE THAT LETTER WAS OBTAINED IN ORDER TO SUBMIT IT TO PUBLIX AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO GET THE SITE APPROVED. SO IT TRULY HAS TAKEN QUITE SOME TIME TO GET THROUGH THAT APPROVAL PROCESS WITH THE GROCER

TO GET THEM TO THE SITE. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: WAS PUBLIX CONCERNED OF BUILDING THEIR STORE IN WETLANDS? WAS THAT PART OF THEIR NEGOTIATIONS? BECAUSE I DROVE AROUND THE STATE FOR YEARS, AND I LOOKED AT A LOT OF SITES FOR CONSERVATION REASONS AND SEEMED TO ME -- I DON'T KNOW THIS AS A FACT THAT PUBLIX WAS RELUCTANT TO BE BUILD THEIR SNORE WETLANDS, I WONDER IF THAT PART OF THE DELAY?

>> I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THAT NEGOTIATION, SO I CAN'T ANSWER

THAT QUESTION. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: I AM SURE IT WAS A LENGTHY PROCESS. THIS WAS ODD THAT LESS PROBABLY A YEAR OR SO AFTER WE APPROVED THIS, YOU WENT BACK TO THE

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I WAS VERY YOURIOUS. BUT FOR ME -- THIS IS A MAJOR MOD -- MODIFICATION. IT IS MAYOR.

IT IS MAJOR. I STILL DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU HAVE TO IMPACT THOSE WETLAND AREAS SOUTH AND SOUTHEAST OF THE PUBLIX SITE SINCE YOUR APPLICATION REALLY FOCUSED ON THE PUBLIX. WHEN MIKE WAS UP HERE SPEAKING EARLIER HE MENTIONED A POSSIBLE MEDICAL OFFICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO DISCLOSE WHO MIGHT GO IN OR NOT. THAT WASN'T DISCUSSED, BUT IT WAS THE PUBLIX. I SEE WELL, THE PUBLIC COULD BE ACCOMMODATED ON FEWER ACRES. SO THOSE ARE MY MAIN QUESTIONS UNLESS I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE I FORGOTTEN RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S IT FOR THE MOMENT BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY SPEA SPEAKERS BUT I WAS GOING TO ASK AND MAYBE JODY IS THE BEST PERSON TO ASK ABOUT THIS.

IN THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS, HAS THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TURNED DOWN ANY WETLAND IMPACT PERMITTING REQ REQUEST?

>> JODY SYSK, 217 BASS GROVE. ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

DO YOU MEAN DENIALS? >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: YES,

SIR. >> I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED A DENIAL. TYPICALLY YOU GO THROUGH A MODIFICATION OR WITHDRAWAL. MOST FOLKS THAT DON'T WANT TO GET THE DENIAL, THEY END UP WITHDRAWING THEIR PERMITS.

CLICK ON E-PERMITS YOU WILL SEE WITHDRAWALS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS. EITHER THE PROJECT WASN'T GOING TO WORK WITH WHAT THE DISTRICT WANTED TO BE REQUIRED OPINION SO THEY WITHDRAW AND BACK OUT STAND MAKE MAJOR MODIFICATIONS.

THIS ONE WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING WITH THE DISTRICT FOR MINIMIZATION. THAT HAS ACTUALLY BECOME AN ISSUE WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

WHEREAS USED TO BE -- THE FIRST MITIGATION BANK CREDITS PROPOSITION B AND OUT THE DOOR. THE DISTRICT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS EVER SINCE THE DEP TOOK OVER AND NOW BETWEEN THE TWO AGENCIES, THEY ACTUALLY REQUIRE YOU TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS.

WE DID GO THROUGH THAT WITH THE DISTRICT.

AND WE KIND OF ALL CAME TO THE CONCLUSION -- /*.

TH AUTOEY EASIEST WAY TO SAY IT IS COMMERCIAL USE ALONG 16.

AND WE LOOKED AT OTHER PARCELS THAT ARE EVERYWHERE.

IF YOU PUT A PUBLIX OR THE OTHER USES THAT HAVE THAT SAME FOOTPRINT BASICALLY TO GET IT INTO ONE OF THESE MIXED USE OR COMMERCIAL ZONED AREAS. YOU WILL HAVE JUST AS MUCH IMIF NOT MORE ON OTHER PROPERTIES. WE STEP BY STEP WENT THROUGH THAT STUFF AND THE DISTRICT AGREED AND ISSUED THE PERMIT BASED ON THAT LIKE SAID THE MITIGATION A I PROVED AND PURCHASED FROM TWO MITIGATION. SPLIT BASIN BETWEEN BASIN 5 AND BASIN 9. CRED FRITZ ST. JOHNS MITIGATION

BANK AND HILL MITIGATION BANKS. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT. THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST QUESTION.

>> THEY PURCHASED THE CREDITS. AS PART OF THE NOTICE OF COMMENCEMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE FINALIZED COMMUNICATION OFF OF THE LETTER. TO IT IS NOT A 10% DOWNPAYMENT OR SOME MYGATION BANKS TO $1,000.

PEOPLE GET THEIR LETTER AND THEY GET THEIR PERMIT.

THAT'S NOT THIS. THEY ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND NOTICE OF COMMITMENT WHICH INCLUDE PURCHASING MITIGATION BANK CREDITS. THESE GUYS HAVE DONE A LOT TO

GET THIS THING GOING. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: THAT WAS A GREAT, THOROUGH ANSWER. LET ASK YOU -- I DON'T WANT TO GET YOU IN TROUBLE WITH YOUR EMPLOYER.

I KNOW YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME I KNOW YOU HAVE.

I KNOW YOUR REPUTATION AS A HANDS-ON PERSON.

>> THAT WAS A TOUGH SITE, BECAUSE OF HOW ISOLATED.

AND AS YOU KNOW FROM YOUR PAST, NO FIRE AT ALL.

THERE WAS A ROUGH ONE. THE SURVEYOR ACTUALLY --

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YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND PUT IN A SMALL MOWER TO CUT TO GET TO THE LINE BECAUSE THE SITE WAS SO THICK.

AND THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE HOMELESS PERSON ON THE SITE WHICH IF YOU NOTICE WHERE IT IS AT RIGHT NEXT TO THE INTERSTATE OR NEXT TO BATHROOMS AND THING LIKE THAT, A HOMELESS CAMP SPOT.

NO. NOT A SINGLE PERSON HOMELESS

PERSON BECAUSE IT IS TOO THICK. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: AND IT

IS WET. >> AND IT IS WET.

FOR SURE. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: IN YOUR TIME OUT THERE, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN FLOODING OFF THE SITE ON TO COUNTY ROAD 208 OR UNDER FENCES.

>> NOT TO 208, NO, SIR. THERE IS A SMALL COUPLE OF ISOLATED CYPRESS SYSTEMS DOWN IN THE SOUTH.

IF YOU LOOK UP, YOU SEE THE PURPLE THAT IS IMPACTED FOR THE TOWN HOMES PROJECT OR THE RESIDENTIAL DOWN THERE.

THOSE ARE TWO CYPRESS HEADS AND THEY ARE EXTREMELY DRIED OUT.

WHEREAS, YOU HAVE THE DEEP SWAMP MORE OF A SCRUB SWAMP AND MAPLE SALEX BECAUSE THIS HOLDS A LOT OF WATER AND HYDRO PINE ON THE OUTSKIRTS AND EVERYTHING MAKES ITS WAY NORTH INTO THE STATE ROAD 16 DITCH WHEN IT FLOODS.

SO IT TAKES THE WATER AND KIND OF TAKES EVERYTHING IN.

EMPLOYEES IN AND DURING THE HEAVIER LANE EVENTS WE HAVE SEEN. SEEN WATER POP UP INTO THE ROADSIDE DITCH ALONG STATE ROAD 16 TO THE NORTH AND ACTUALLY HEADED WEST TO GET TO -- I FORGET WHAT THE NAME OF THE CREEK IS THERE. BUT A MILE DOWN THE ROAD ONE CREEK THERE. SO -- I HAVE ONLY SEEN THEM DO IT ONCE HAND THIS WAS AFTER A REAL HEAVY RAIN EVENT.

SEASONAL HIGHS. WE COULDN'T SET SEASONAL HIGHS THAT DAY BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF RAIN AND JUST WHEN -- WHEN STUFF LIKE THAT HAPPEN, NOT ACTUAL SEASONAL HIGH.

YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE TREE -- THE SEASONAL HIGH IS THERE.

I WILL HAVE TO PUT A SNORKEL TO DO THAT TYPE OF THING.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: APPRECIATE THAT.

>> WE HAVE SEEN THAT. BUT AGAIN THE 208.

LOOKS TO ME LIKE JUST LOOKING -- I LOOKED AT OLD AIR YELLS BEFORE, LOOKS LIKE AN OLDER CYPRESS SYSTEM THAT CONNECTED ACROSS 208 AND CONTINUED GOING SOUTH AND PLUS IT IS GONE.

AND I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS THE HYDROLOGY OF THE SOUTHERN STUFF HAS BEEN AFFECTED BY THINGS THAT PROBABLY OCCURRED BEFORE THERE

WAS A LOT OF PERMITTING. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: SUCH

AS FILL. >> YES, SIR.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: THANK YOU.

>> YES, SIR. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: GOOD

ANSWER. >>GREG MATOVINA: ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS? >>HENRY GREEN: I HAVE ONE QUICK ONE. ON THE PUBLIC SITE.

WHERE IS RETENTION GOING? I MEAN, IS IT GETTING PIPED -- I CAN'T SEE IT ON THE SITE. I CAN'T MAKE UP THE DETAIL ON TH THIS.

>> SO IT IS BEING PIPED -- THE PUBLIX IS GETTING PIPED ACROSS THE COMMERCIAL TO THIS RETENTION POND.

>>GREG MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I WAS GOING TO RESPOND TO A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS.

BECAUSE I THINK -- THERE WAS SOME GOOD QUESTIONS IN THERE.

SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THESE ADDITIONAL IMPACTS.

SO -- AND IT IS TRUE THAT A GOOD PORTION OF OUR PRESENTATION HAS BEEN ON PUBLIX BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONE WE CAN PUBLICLY IDENTIFY RIGHT NOW AND WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

I WILL MENTION ON THE EAST SIDE, WE ARE WORKING WITH HOTELIERS THAT WE CAN'T -- CAN'T SAY WHO THE HOTELS ARE YET.

BUT ON THESE PARCELS, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF HOTELS THAT IN ORDER TO GET THE SITE TO WORK WITH THE HOTELS WE NEED THE ADDITIONAL WETLAND IMPACTS ON THIS SITE TO DEEPEN THOSE PARCELS.

SIMILARLY BASED ON THE USER WE ARE WORKING WITH.

WE ARE ALSO NEEDING THE ADDITIONAL WETLAND IMPACT OVER IN THIS AREA. SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE USERS THAT ARE STRIVING THE IMPACT ON A PARCEL-BY-PARCEL BASIS.

AND, AGAIN, UNFORTUNATELY, PUBLIX IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE CAN PUBLICLY IDENTIFY TODAY. AND I DO WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC USERS WE ARE WORKING WITH TO FIT ON THESE SITES THAT HAVE DRIVEN OUR BOUNDARY LINE ON THE IMPACTS.

SO I WANTED TO MENTION THAT. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY.

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>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: IT WAS MIKE.

>> I MAY HAVE SAID FRINGE JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE FRINGE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A TECHNICAL TERM.

I DID WANT TO MENTION ON THE DRAINAGE AND CERTAINLY BRIAN SPOKE TO IT, BUT WE ARE IMPLEMENTING A MASTER STORMWATER SYSTEM WITH A LARGE POND HERE AND A LARGE POND HERE BASICALLY TO MANAGE THE STORMWATER ON THE SITE.

CURRENTLY WE ARE GOING COMPLY WITH ALL WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, PREIMPOSED REQUIREMENTS.

PART OF THE HEARSAY, AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, WE HEARD FROM SOME RESIDENTS AND ESPECIALLY FROM GRAY HAWK ALONG THIS EDGE OVER HERE WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW THAT WE DID HAVE SOME STANDING WATER. I KNOW THAT MIKE IS WORKING WITH OUR CONTRACTOR TO TRY TO RESOLVES THAT.

MUCH OF THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

WE HAVE EXPOSED SOILS RIGHT NOW. -- SOB BUSINESS PER CREEK.

FOR WHISPER RIDGE. BRIAN JUST CORRECTED ME.

SEEMS LIKE THE AREA CONCERN IS IN HERE.

NOT DOWN HERE. WE ARE WORKING TO RESOLVES SOME OF THOSE ISSUES AND WE BELIEVE THAT WHEN CONSTRUCTION COMPLETE, THOSE ISSUES WILL NOT CONTINUE AND I WANTED TO MENTION THAT.

THE LAST ITEM ON THE TRAFFIC. AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND THE MODELING, WE HAVE ASSUMED SHOPPING CENTER AS THE USE. THE INTERESTING THING HERE IS -- THERE ARE OTHER PUBLIX BASICALLY TO THE WEST OF US AT IGP AND TO THE EAST OF US ON 16, FURTHER TO THE EAST.

AND -- AND OUR BELIEF AND OUR INTENT IS THAT THIS NEW PUBLIC IS GOING TO CAPTURE EXISTING PUBLIC USERS THAT NOW ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO DRIVE THIS FAR. OUR INTENT AND BELIEF IS NOT ONLY OUR END USERS BUT RESIDENTS ON 208.

RESIDENTS IN THE INTERCHANGE AREA.

RESIDENTS ON STATE ROAD 16 THAT ARE CLOSER TO THIS PUBLIX WILL NOW COME TO THE PUBLIX. MANY OF THE TRIPS MAY ALREADY BE ALREADY OUT ON STATE ROAD 16. I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT AS WELL AS PART OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AND THEN, I THINKS

THAT HIT ALL THE ITEMS. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: A GOOD POINT ABOUT THAT. YOUR BELIEF ABOUT IT.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY TRAFFIC DATA THAT WILL NECESSARILY BACK THAT

UP. >> CERTAINLY WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL

IT IS HERE. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: LET ME ASK YOU THIS, IF I MAY. PIS IT OKAY?

>>GREG MATOVINA: YES. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: YOU MENTIONED THE HOTEL. UNDISCLOSED HOTEL ON THE FURTHEST SOUTHEAST SITE, ARE YOU PLANNING NOW TWO HOTELS OUT THERE. SO WE HAVE -- WE HAVE A TOTAL AND -- APPROVED FOR 240 WHICH MOST LIKELY WILL BE TO TWO -- TO

TWO HOE. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: OH, IT

IS, TWO HOTELS. >> MIKE IS CONFIRMING THAT.

WE BELIEVE THERE ARE TWO HOTELS. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: I DIDN'T READ THAT IN THE LONG APPLICATION OF YOURS.

NOW TWO HOTELS. WHAT WAS APPROVED HERE IN 2020 WAS ONE 240-ROOM HOTEL AND NOW YOU ARE SAYING THERE ARE GOING TO BE TWO HOTELS. WOW.

OKAY. >> IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE ONE HOTEL. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS OUR

INTENT. >> YOU SAID 240 HOTEL ROOMS. YOU ARE RIGHT. OKAY.

GOOD POINT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE AN ATTORNEY, NOT AN ENGINEER.

BECAUSE DID YOU A GOOD JOB AS AN ATTO

ATTORNEY. >> DOUBLE BILL.

>>GREG MATOVINA: ARE WE READY NOW? GOOD. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>>CLERK: WE DO NOT. >>GREG MATOVINA: BACK INTO THE

AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >>HENRY GREEN: I AM GOING TO BEAT HER TO THE PUNCH THIS TIME. I WILL PUT IT ON THE TABLE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. MAKE A -- MAKE A MOTION TO

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>>GREG MATOVINA: MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY HENRY.

SECOND BY MEAGHAN. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

THAT MOTION PASSES 4-1. LET'S MOVE CONTINUE TO ITEM

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, MATT LATTI, GULFSTREAM DESIGN GR GROUP.

WE ARE HERE FOR THE WHOLE NINE YARDS REZONING.

THIS IS A SITE THAT IS LOCATED TO THE WEST OF THE ST. AUGUSTINE AIRPORT ALONG BIG OAK ROAD. I BELIEVE THAT THE VAULT WAS JUST APPROVED DOWN HERE. SALTWATER SHOOTING RANGE IS FURTHER TO THE WEST AND THERE ARE SEVERAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS CORRIDOR ALONG BIG OAK ROAD OF THE SITE AND U.S. 1. HERE IS AN AERIAL MAP OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THE REZONING.

THE APPLICANTS ALSO OWNED THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST HERE.

AND THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY OWNS THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH THIS IS A FP&L EASEMENT TO RUNS ALONG THE SITE TO THE WEST.

EXIST FUGUETURE LAND UES WITHIN THE AIRPORT DISTRICT HAS INDUSTRIAL TO THE WEST. CURRENT ZONING IS OPEN RURAL.

BOUND DIRECTLY TO THE WEST BY IW ZONING.

TO THE SOUTH BY AIRPORT DISTRICT ZONING.

THE BIG OAK ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY IS TO THE EAST HERE.

AND EXISTING O.R. ZONING GENERALLY TO THE EAST.

PROPOSED REZONING FOR IW TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING PARCEL OWNED BY THE APPLICANTS TO SUPPORT A OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT. IW ZONING HAVE A 70% FLOOR AREA RATIO, 70% ISL AND 15-FOOT SETBACKS.

BASED ON THE LDC, HOWEVER, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DIRECTLY ADJACENT, WE WILL HAVE 20-FOOT BUFFERS TO THE NORTH HERE ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY THAT IS IN THE OPEN RULES OF ZONING. THE COLORS DIDN'T SHOW UP VERY WELL ON THAT. I HOPE YOU CAN SEE THAT IN YOUR PACKET. WITH THAT WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU OR THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE.

>> RICHARD, I AM CURIOUS OF THAT 1 BE 71 ACRE OF PRESERVED WETLANDS BETWEEN THE CURRENT SITE AND YOUR CLIENT'S OTHER PROPERTY FURTHER TO THE NORTHWEST.

UNDER WHAT MECHANISM IS THAT WETLAND PRESERVED.

IS IT UNDER A CONSERVATION EASEMENT? WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT? HOW IS IT --

>> NO, SIR. THERE IS AN ACTIVE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE PERMIT APPLICATION IN-HOUSE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF

THAT PARCEL. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: OF THE

1.71 ACRES OF WETLANDS. >> YES, SIR, TO THE WEST.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: SAYS IN OUR REPORT, IT IS PRESERVED

WETLANDS. >> NO, IN THE STAFF REPORT, I

MISSED THAT. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: REALLY, PAGE 6 OF THE APPLICATION, SAYS UNLIKELY THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL TIE INTO THE AJAY SPENT PROPERTY SINCE IT ABUTS THE PRESERVED WETLANDS THAT EXISTS ON THE ALREADY COMMERCIALLY UTILIZED PROPERTY.

SO I JUST ONLY CAN KNOW WHAT I CAN READ HERE.

>>EVAN WALSNOVICH: GOOD AFTERNOON, PLANNER FOR PRESIDENT PROJECT. THAT WAS ADDED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE SITE AND THE ADJACENT AT THE TIME OF WRITING THE STAFF REPORT.

THIS REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE MOST CURRENT COMMERCIAL SET OF PLANS THAT WE HAVE TO THE SITE TO THE WEST.

WORKING WITH WHAT WE HAD ON THESE PLANS.

SHOW THAT THESE WETLANDS WERE TO BE PRESERVED AS PART OF THAT PROJECT AND THAT WAS WRITTEN TO THE STAFF REPORT THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE HAVE NOT REVIEW IT AT THE

TIME. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: WHEN YOU USE PRESERVE -- I ASSUME THEY ARE PRESERVED BUT THEY ARE

NOT. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

UNFORTUNATELY MY WORDAGE FOR IT. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: UNDER RESOURCE PERMIT RIGHT NOW TO BE DEVELOPED?

>> THAT'S CORRECT, YES, SIR. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: THAT

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>> THAT'S CORRECT. HERE IS A PLAN OF WHAT THAT IS WITH THE LAY DOWN YARD. TWO BUILDINGS AT THE WESTERN EDGE. WET RETENTION PONDS.

AND THE SUBJECT SITE OF THE REZONING WITH THAT INTERNAL

CONNECTION HERE. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: OKAY.

THAT WILL COME BEFORE THIS BOARD AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THIS NEW

CONNECTING PIECE? >> THIS IS ALREADY ZONED IW.

SO I DON'T BELIEVE THIS WILL COME BEFORE THE BOARD.

THE REZONING THE REQUEST IS FOR THIS PARCEL HERE WHICH WILL THEN ALLOW US TO SUBMIT COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THAT.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: I SEE THIS THAT IT IS IW.

THANKS ARE. I HAVE A COMMENT LATER, BUT NO MORE QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.

>> UNDERSTOOD. >>GREG MATOVINA: ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> JOSEPH LOGAN. >> HOW IS IT GOING.

JOSEPH LOGAN. I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I LOST HIGH HOUSE IN MATTHEW, 2016.

LAST YEAR AUGUST 10, I GOT MY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPATION.

SIX YEARS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I AM FINALLY BACK.

AS YOU SEE ON THAT MAP THERE, THEY ARE ENCROACH IN THE WETLANDS. THEY WILL ADD A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT WILL GO INTO A PLACE SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL.

THE MAPS THAT ARE PUTTING UP FAIL TO SHOW ALL THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE AREA. KIDS, DOGS, EVERYTHING ELSE.

THE NEAREST COMMERCIAL THAT IS TO THAT IS TO THE WEST OWNED BY THE OWNER WHICH HAS ENCROACHED ON EVERYTHING AROUND IT.

A FPL EASEMENT. THEY ENCROACHED -- SORRY, I AM A LITTLE BIT BIT UP ON THIS ONE. TO GO TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE TWO COMMERCIALS HE IS TALKING ABOUT.

ONE IS A LAWN SERVICE THAT COMPLETELY DESTROYED THAT SIDE.

MULTIPLE FINES FOR TAKING OVER THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. THE OTHER IS A UNDEVELOPED STORAGE FACILITY AND THAT'S IT. EVERYTHING ELSE IN THAT AREA IS RESIDENTIAL. A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WORKED HARD TO MAKE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHAT IT IS NOW.

I AM FROM HERE SPA CONNOR AND I USED TO RIDE OUR BIKES TOGETHER.

I COULDN'T RIDE A BIKE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE '80S AND '90S. I CAN NOW.

THAT IS BECAUSE OF US AND PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR IT.

TO PUT ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL INSIDE RESIDENTIAL IS GOING TO HELP KILL THAT. THAT IS MY TIME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>GREG MATOVINA: YOUR ADDRESS.

>> 210 BIG OAK ROAD. >>GREG MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> YES, SIR. >>CLERK: JEFF LOGAN.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JEFF LOGAN.

5017 AVENUED. I OWN THE PROPERTY 5272 BIG OAK ROAD SOUTH THAT IS IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND TO THE SOUTH BY ONE PROPERTY.

I CURRENTLY RENT OUT TO A FAMILY WHO HAS ABOUT SIX KIDS.

AND SO THE BIG OAK ROAD SOUTH IS REALLY A RESIDENTIAL STREET.

I KNOW OF NO OTHER BUSINESSES THERE.

AND WITH ALL THE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BICYCLES ALL OVER THE PLACE. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM A GOOD FIT TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THERE.

THANK YOU. >>CLERK: DARYL HAROLDSON.

>> HELLO, MY NAME IS DARYL MARYLANDSON AND 2601 BIG OAK ROAD SOUTH WHICH WILL BE DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO THIS PLACE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON.

ME AND MY DAD HAS -- HAS STRUGGLED FOR THE LAST YEAR TRYING TO GET SOMETHING PUT ON TO THIS PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE.

WE FINALLY GOT SOMETHING PUT ON THERE JUST TO FIND OUT THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE -- A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC AT THIS WAREHOUSE NEXT DOOR. AND IT IS A VERY NARROW STREET.

I MEAN TO BE HAVING SEMI TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING COMING DOWN THERE ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE A LOT OF KIDS, A LOT OF FAMILIES, A LOT OF JUST -- IT IS A RESIDENTIAL.

IT IS NOT MEANT FOR ANYTHING ELSE IN MY OPINION.

THAT'S ALL. >> KIMBERLY LOCASTLE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, KIM KIMBERLY LOCASALI AND BIG OAK ROAD SOUTH. I LIVE ON THE CORNER BIG OAK SOUTH AND BIG OAK ROAD. MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT THIS

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WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF -- WE HAVE GOT FIVE OAK TREES SITTING ON OUR PROPERTY, THAT CANOPY OUR PROPERTY.

ACROSS THE STREET FROM US, AND OUR PROPERTY IS ACROSS THE STREET. A PORTION OF IT.

AND WE ARE -- THERE ARE TREES ALL AROUND US.

WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO ALL THOSE TREES.

WE CAN SEE THE STARS AT NIGHT. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ALL THE LIGHTING. ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE SECURITY? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AT ACROSS THE STREET.

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR PROPERTY VALUES WHEN THAT HAPPENS. THEY ARE CONSTANTLY TALKING TO THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY BEHIND THEM AND NEXT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY WANT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

EVENTUALLY, THAT ENTIRE BLOCK IS GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL.

WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THE DETERIORATION IN THE COMMUNITY ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES HAVE ALREADY INFESTED THAT AREA. AND ALSO.

WE -- SORRY, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, WHO IS GOING TO BUY OUR PROPERTY IF THERE IS THIS HUGE COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE ACROSS FROM US? AND THERE WILL BE CONSTANT TRAFFIC GOING BY.

WE ALREADY HAD A TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE ON THE SEED STREET, PEOPLE DON'T GO 25 MILES PER HOUR IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY ARE AT LEAST GOING 40, 50 MILES PER HOUR GOING DOWN TO THE GUN CLUB.

WE CAN HEAR EVERYTHING IN OUR BACK YARD.

THE OLD OWNER WHO USED TO LIVE THERE HAS A SHOP.

THAT WAREHOUSE THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE CUT OUT A GARAGE FOR A SECOND EDITION THAT IS LARGER.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE PERMITTED FOR THAT, BUT WE CAN HEAR EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THAT AREA.

AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE NOISE LEVEL.

WE ALREADY HAVE THE AIRPORT. AS THEY CONTINUE TO CUT DOWN THOSE TREES, WE ARE ABLE TO HEAR MORE AND MORE OF THE GUN RANGE.

AND THE COMMUNITY ITSELF, THERE ARE IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WHY DO WE WANT MORE COMMERCIAL EXPOSURE IN A -- IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. THERE IS ALREADY A BUSINESS WHEN YOU COME IN TO OAK STREET THAT SITS ON THE CORNER THERE.

IN THE MORNING, WE HAVE TRUCKS LINED UP ON THE SIDE.

THERE IS TRASH ALL ALONG THE ROAD.

WHAT CAN WE EXPECT FROM A BUSINESS THAT OPENED UP ACROSS THE STREET. THE BUSINESS THEY HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE, THEY CLEAR CUT IT. NO TREES BACK THERE.

IT HAS A BARBED WIRE FENCE THAT IS SIX FOOT ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> WILLIAM R. SORRY, I CAN'T READ YOUR LAST

TIME. >> HELLO.

I AM BILL ROSINOL. 2008 PIG OAK ROAD.

I CALL IT ENDORPHIN PARK. I HAVE BEEN THERE 30 YEARS.

I AM A FRONT PORCH INDIVIDUAL. I SEE DOWN BIG OAK ROAD.

I MEAN BIG OAK SOUTH, EXCUSE ME. HE WAS CALLING IT BIG OAK ROAD BUT BIG OAK SOUTH. TWO DISTINCT DIFFERENCES.

I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE DIRECTING THE FIRE TRUCKS.

THAT WAS ORIGINALLY A DIRT ROAD. THEY HAVE PUT IN OPEN RURAL ZONING. THERE ARE SEVERAL BUSINESSES OUT THERE THAT WHERE OWNER OPERATOR, SELF-PROPRIETOR.

CHILDREN AND GOLF CARTS, MOM AND DAD AND 2.4 KIDS AND A DOG.

I MEAN, IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD. BIG OAK SOUTH, THEY PUT TWO INCHES OF LIMESTONE ON IT AND THE ORANGE PEEL ROAD MOD EARN ASPHALT. I HAVE SEEN THE TRACTOR-TRAILERS TRYING TO GO DOWN THERE DELIVERING FURNITURE, THAT, THIS AND THE OTHER GOING UP IN THE 2KI67.

THEY KNOCKED MY MAILBOX DOWN ONE OR TWO TIMES.

WENT THROUGH MY GATEPOST 6 X 6 AND FOUR BAGS OF CONCRETE.

BROKE IT. CONSTANTLY -- NOT CONSTANTLY BUT ON A REGULAR BASIS OVERSIZED TRUCK TO THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT GULFSTREAM AND WHOEVER THESE PEOPLE ARE WHO HAVE THIS THAT HAVE TO HAVE'S COURT PAUSE THEY ARE OVERSIZED AND OVERWEIGHT. THE WETLANDS THEY ARE SPEAKING OF -- NOW I HAVE PERSONALLY GONE FROM 230 BIG OAK ROAD DOWN TO 95 FROM THE WOODS AND ALL THE WAY TO STATEN ROAD.

I AM FAMILIAR WITH IT. IT IS A SWAMP.

NOT WETLANDS. OF.

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NO -- I WOULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT AN ENGINEER'S REPORT OR AT LEAST PUT IT ON PAPER TO GET THE COUNTY TO APPROVE IT, OKAY.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY FAITH OR ANY TRUST IN THESE PEOPLE.

WHEN THE ORIGINAL INDIVIDUALS STARTED THE BUSINESS, IT WAS, AGAIN, A SOLE PROPRIETOR. AND BOUGHT OUT, SOLD OUT AND MOVED TO SOME PLACE ELSE. AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE WOULD NOT HANDLE THE QUOTE, UNQUOTE -- I WILL PUT IT IN QUOTATIONS, THE INDUSTRIAL PART OF IT.

WHEN 312 GOES THROUGH AND OFF STATE HIGHWAY GOING TO A STATE HIGHWAY, YOU CAN COME ACROSS THE PROPERTY THERE DOWN THAT WAY.

BUT THAT IS RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW.

I MEAN, I HEAR THE CHILDREN PLAYING OUT THERE IN THE AFTERNOON AND IT MAKES MY HEART BEAT.

I AM OPPOSED TO IT, IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW.

>> THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS. >>GREG MATOVINA: WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO OFFER SOME REBU

REBUTTAL? >> SO I THINK I WILL JUST ADDRESS THE ACCESS AND THE BIG OAK ROAD SOUTH COMPONENT FIRST HERE. THE ACCESS IS INTENDED TO BE INTERNAL HERE. SO THE APPLICANT IS NOT INTENDING TO USE BIG OAK ROAD IN THE MASTER PLAN TO ACCESS THIS COMMERCIAL PARCEL. WHEN THEY PURCHASED THIS PIECE, THERE WAS, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD CALL AN OUT-OF-COMPLIANCE MECHANICS SHOP BEING RUN HERE. AND I BELIEVE THAT THROUGHOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE IS PROBABLY NUMEROUS HOME-BASED OCCUPANCIES, BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALSO BEING RUN WITHOUT THE PROPER ZONING. BUT BIG OAK ROAD UNDOUBTEDLY A COMMERCIAL ROAD. ACCESSING A SHOOTING RANGE.

NOW ACCESSING THE NEWLY APPROVED VAULT DOWN HERE WITH SEVERAL OF THE BOAT AND RV STORAGE. YOU HAVE THE LANDSCAPING COMPANY HERE. THE TRAFFIC ALONG BIG OAK ROAD IS GOING TO HAVE TO BECOME AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. I MEAN THERE IS NOT MUCH THIS APPLICANT CAN DO WITH REGARDS TO THE TRAFFIC ON BIG OAK ROAD.

THEY ARE WILLING AND DESIRE TO CREATE A BUFFERING HERE WITH LANDSCAPING AND A WOODEN FENCE. THERE WAS A $300,000 PIECE OF EQUIPMENT STOLEN HERE DURING THE DAYLIGHT ACTUALLY.

SO THAT IS SOME OF THE NEED FOR THE BARBED WIRE FENCING ON THIS SIDE. BUT DEFINITELY TRYING TO KEEP THE PLACE SAFE IS THE INTENT OF THE APPLICANTS.

SO THEY ARE NOT INTENDING TO ACCESS FROM THIS PARCEL HERE ON BIG OAK ROAD SOUTH. IT WOULD ALL BE THROUGH THE MAIN DRIVEWAY CONNECTION HERE OFF OF BIG OAK ROAD WHICH IS ALREADY FEEDING NUMEROUS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN THAT CORRIDOR.

THE BUFFERING TO THAT EXISTING SITE AND THIS AN AIRPORT ZONING TO THE SOUTH HERE IS ALL CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPATIBILITY BUFFERS AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

UNFORTUNATELY THIS ISN'T A PUD. WE CAN'T NECESSARILY CONFINE ALL OF THE COMPONENTS, BUT WE ARE INTENDED TO FOLLOW UP WITH CONSTRUCTION PLANS SHORTLY HEREAFTER TO SHOW THIS TO STAFF.

ALL THE TREES ON THIS SITE WILL REMAIN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. ALL THE LIGHTING PLANS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

ALL THE NOISE ORDINANCES AND NOISE COMPONENTS WILL BE HANDLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SOME WITH THOSE ASPECTS, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE WOODNESS FENCING, ENHANCED ISLAND SCAPING AND INTO DRIVEWAY CONNECTION HERE WOULD ELIMINATE ANY CONCERN OF ENCROACHMENT AND HEAVY VEHICLES UTILIZING BIG OAK ROAD SOUTH AND WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING TRUCKS DELIVERING TO HOMES DOWN HERE.

FURNITURE DELIVERIES I THINK I HEARD.

BUT THE MAIN COMMERCIAL ACCESS WILL BE ALONG BIG OAK ROAD HERE FROM U.S. 1. AND THE BOARD ASKS QUESTIONS AND

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WE WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM. >>GREG MATOVINA: RICHARD.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THAT WETLAND IN THERE, 1.71 ACRES. CYPRESS? I CAN'T TELL QUITE FROM THIS AERIAL PHOTO.

>> I BELIEVE IT IS A LOWER QUALITY WETLAND.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: DO YOU KNOW SOME OF THE SPECIES?

>> I DON'T, NO, SIR. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: YOU ARE AN ENGINEER. NOT A BIOLOGIST.

>> CORRECT. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: I SEE SIGH BLESS ON THAT VIEW. THOSE GRAY TREES ARE PROBABLY GRAY CROWNED TREES AND ARE PROBABLY CYPRESS.

THAT IS HOW YOU ARE GOING TO ACCESS THE SITE THEN? I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT FROM READING THE APPLICATION SINCE I READ THOSE WERE PRESERVED WETLANDS ON THAT SITE, I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE GOING TO TRY TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS ON BIG OAK ROAD SOUTH THROUGH THAT SITE.

>> YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE DRIVEWAY STUBBED OUT HERE FROM

THE INTERNAL COMPONENTS. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: IT

JUST DIDN'T JUMP OUT AT ME. >> THAT'S OKAY.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: WHEN I FIRST READ THIS ONE, I WAS THINKING -- WELL, I WILL WAIT. THAT IS NOT A QUESTION.

THAT IS A STATEMENT. SO -- THANKS.

>>GREG MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

OR A QUESTION OF STAFF. SO WE ARE IN THE AIRPORT LAND USE AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO LOCATE SOME -- MAYBE RELEVANT PROVISIONS IN THERE AS TO WHAT IS SUPPOSED -- WHAT IS THE VISION FOR THAT ARE AIRPORT DISTRICT.

SOMETHING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT DIRECTS US AS TO WHAT

THE VISION IS? >> YES, SIR.

POLICY A 1-11. THAT HAS THE AIRPORT DISTRICT LISTED AS A LAND USE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

A LAND USE DESIGNATION. AND IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THERE WERE PROVISIONS HOW DEVELOPMENT OCCURS IN THE LAND USE -- IN THE AIRPORT DISTRICT LANE USE.

ONE OF THE PROVISIONS OF THE -- OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS THAT WE GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY IF THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH WHAT -- WHAT DEVELOPMENT IS OCCURRING WITHIN THAT DISTRICT. THAT IS BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN SEPTEMBER OVER TO THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY WHERE THEY DO HAVE IT AND THEY ARE WORKING ON IT AND WILL HAVE PRIOR TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION

MEETING. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: IS IT AGAIN -- I KNOW I AM SPEAKING IN GENERAL TERMS. DO YOU THINK THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ENCOURAGES MORE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS -- VERSUS COMMERCIAL.

BECAUSE TYPICALLY, AIRPORTS DON'T LIKE RESIDENTIAL NEAR AIRPORTS. THE.

>> LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UNDER THE AIRPORT -- AIRPORT DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR PRETTY MUCH ALL OF OUR LAND USE THAT IS ALLOWED IN

THE COUNTY. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: OKAY,

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >>GREG MATOVINA: OKAY.

SO WE ARE BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

IF. >>HENRY GREEN: WELL, I WILL PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS SORT OF A DIFFICULT AREA.

AIRPORT AUTHORITY, SOME OF THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET I THINK WAS CI ZONED. YOU NKNOW YOU HAVE THE RACETRAC DOWN THE STREET. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE -- WHERE IS IT GOING. AND THAT IS A DIFFICULT CALL.

SO WITH THAT, SOME OF MY CONCERNS WERE ANSWERED JUST NOW, BASICALLY THE BIG OAK ROAD SOUTH.

I WAS REALLY NOT WANTING TO SEE VEHICLES EXITING.

I AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA. I DIDN'T DROP BY, BUT I GO DOWN THE RANGE QUITE A BIT. ANYWAY, I AM GOING TO PUT A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF RESGLOENDZ 2023-06 WHOLE NINE YARDS BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THE

STAFF REPORT. >>GREG MATOVINA: MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY HENRY. IS THERE A SECOND?

>>ELVIS PIERRE: I WILL SECOND. >>GREG MATOVINA: SECOND BY ELVIS. DISCUSSION?

RICHARD. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: WELL, I DIDN'T DRIVE UP THERE THIS WEEK TO LOOK AT THIS.

WHEN WE WERE CONSIDERING THE PORTER PROPERTY THREE DIFFERENT TIMES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, I DID DRIVE ALL THROUGH

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I THINK IT IS TOO DISRUPTIVE TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY NATURE OF THAT NEIGHB NEIGHBORHOOD AREA.

SO THAT IS MY OPINION. >>GREG MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? IF NOT, I PIECES WE OUGHT TO REGISTER THE VOTE. SO THAT MOTION FAILS -- THAT MOTION FAILS 3-2. SO WE NEED A -- ANOTHER MOTION.

MEGHAN.

[5. PUD 2023-05 Deer Run Road PUD]

>>GREG MATOVINA: MOTION B BY MEGHAN FOR NOT APPROVING THIS. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> I WILL SECOND. >>GREG MATOVINA: SECOND BY RICHARD. DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

BUT BEFORE YOU DO, A YES VOTE IS A VOTE FOR DENIAL.

ALL RIGHT, SO THAT MOTION PASSES.

SO THE VOTE IS FOR DENIAL, 3-2. LET'S MOVE CONTINUE TO ITEM NUMBER 5. IS THERE ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER 5? ALL RIGHT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR ITEM

NUMBER 5? >> YES.

GOOD AFTERNOON, AUTUMN MARTINAGE, MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP. WE ARE ASKING FOR 2023-05 FOR THE DEER RUN ROAD PUD. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSESSION OF DEER RUN ROAD AND FAZIO ROAD.

IT IS A PRIVATELY OWNED UNAPPROVED ROADS.

THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 25 ACRES AND PRESENTLY DEVELOPED WITH TWO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES.

THE SITE HAS ALMOST COMPLETELY BEEN CLEARED BY THE CURRENT AND PAST PROPERTY OWNERS AND A SPECIAL MINISTRY ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THE PROPERTIES WILL BE LOCATED IN AN AREA DESIGNATED AS RECREATIONAL. CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY -- THE CURRENT LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL C.

THE SITE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL C WHICH I YOU A LOSS FOR DENSITY UP TO SIX UNITS PER ACRE. THE REQUESTED DENSITY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS FOUR UNITS PER ACRE.

CURRENTLY THE SITE IS ZONED OPEN RURAL.

THE LOT SIZES ARE A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 31 FEET WITH A MINIMUM LOT AREA 29,000 -- 2945 SQUARE FEET PER LOT WITH A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 35 FEET, MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGES OF 65% PER LOT. AND 35% OVER THE -- OVER THE OVERALL PD WITH A MAXIMUM ISR OF 57% WE ARE LOT.

SETBACKS, 15 AT THE FRONT, 10 AT THE REAR.

AND THESE ARE PROPOSED TO BE DUPLEXES OR PAIRED HOUSING.

FIVE FOOT FROM THE EXTERIOR PROPERTY LINE FOR THE SHARED SETBACK AND ZERO FOR THE SHARED WALL ON THE INTERIOR PROPERTY LINES. ALL PARK ALSO BE ON-SITE.

EACH PARCEL WILL HAVE A TWO-CAR GARAGE WITH A ASSOCIATED TWO-CAR DRIVEWAY WITH A TOTAL OF FOUR PARKING UNITS PER UNIT.

THE SITE IS RELATIVELY COMBATABLE WITH A RECENTLY APPROVED PUDS IN THE AREA AND THIS A DEVELOPMENT.

THE FERBER STATE ROAD 16 PUD LOCATED TO THE INVOLVE THE SITE OF STATE ROAD 16 AND FOUR MILE ROAD.

THIS PUD WAS APPROVED FOR 3305 MULTIFAMILY OR TOWN HOME UNIT WITH THE DENSITY OF 9.2 UNITS PER ACRE.

TO THE SOUTH IS THE ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH PUD.

450 SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS AND 125 MULTIFAMILY UNIT WITH DENSITY OF

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AND ACCESSIBLE TO OUR NEW PRIVATELY-OWNED ROADWAY TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT OWNED BY OUR APPLICANT. THE EASTERN PORTION WILL BE IMPROVED. AND SINGLE PARCEL OWN WILL UTILIZE THE NEW COMMUNITY ROAD ROADWAY. SO LIKE I SAID, THE DEVELOPMENT IS FOR 26 DUPLEX STRUCTURES FOR A TOTAL OF 52 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

THIS WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DIVERSITY TO HOUSING STOCK IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. THE PRIVATELY OWNED FAZIO ROAD WILL BE PART OF THIS PROJECT AND REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU.

>>GREG MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT, QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

HENRY? >>HENRY GREEN: THE DUPLEX, RENTALS OR -- OR ARE THEY SOLD AS TOWN HOUSES, CONDO?

>> THEY WILL BE FOR SALE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

>>HENRY GREEN: FOR SALE. OKAY.

>>GREG MATOVINA: RICHARD. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT A STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE IN THE APPLICATION SUMMARY ON PAGE 6. IT SAYS THE APPLICANT POINTS OUT THAT THE PROPOSED DUPLEXES WILL PROVIDE A MORE AFFORDABLE AND LOWER MAINTENANCE OPTION OPPOSED TO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WITHOUT THE HIGHER DENSITY OF MULTI FAMILY TOWN HOMES AND APARTMENTS. JUST PRIOR TO THAT, IT SAYS, THIS WILL PROVIDE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING OPTIONS FOR RESIDENTS THAT ARE EMPLOYED AT THE AREA BUSINESSES NEAR STATE ROAD 16 AND I-95 CORRIDOR AT A PRICE THEY CAN AFFORD.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS WILL BE AT A PRICE THEY CAN AFFORD.

WHAT IF I WORKED AT WAFFLE HOUSE AS A WAIT PERSON.

WOULD I BE ABLE TO AFFORD ONE OF THESE?

>> THE TARGETED PRICE POINT IS IN THE LOW 300S.

MEANT MORE OF A WORKFORCE HOUSING PRODUCT.

SO -- >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: I GUESS YOU KNOW THE UPPER LIMIT ON WHAT IS CONSIDERED WORKFORCE

COUNTY IN THIS COUNTY. >> WE WERE LOOKING TO THEIR INFORMATION. I WAS NOT ABLE TO ACCESS IT IN

TIME FOR THIS MEETING. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: 260,000. YOUR LOW $300S, THAT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WORKFORCE HOUSING. I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE APPLICATION.

IS ANY OF THIS WILL BE WORKFORCE HOUSING.

>> OBVIOUSLY ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS A BENCHMARK FOR THE DEFINITION OF WORK FORCE. WE ARE TRYING TO BE MORE AFFORDABLE THAN -- ST. JOHNS COUNTY RANKS NEAR THE TOP OF HOUSE IN THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA AREA.

WE ARE NOT GOING FOR ANY DENSITY BONUS OR ANYTHING RELATED TO THE WORK FORCE PROGRAM. PROVIDING A PRODUCT THAT IS MORE IN LINE WITH THE LOWER AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL PRI PRICE FOR THE

AREA, FOR THE REGION, I GUESS. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: USED TO BE THE LOW 300S USED TO BE A PRETTY GOOD HOUSE.

>> RIGHT. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: NOT ANYMORE. I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE PRESERVING THE WETLANDS ON-SITE. THAT IS GOOD.

YOUR TRAFFIC -- THESE ARE NOT REALLY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BUT THEY ARE STILL MORE STATEMENTS THAT I WANT TO MAKE LATER OF DEFICIENT ROADWAYS. AND I KNOW -- YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO GENERATE 346 TOTAL DAILY TRIPS RIGHT NOW ON DEER RUN ROAD. THERE IS 781.

MY CALCULATIONS COME UP -- THAT IS A 44% INCREASE OF TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD. THAT IS A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE. WHAT ARE THERE TWO HOUSES ON THE

25 ACRES. >> FOR THE PARCEL IN QUESTION,

YES. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: A PRETTY HEAVY INCREASE. TALK OF FOUR MEANWHILE AND HOLMES CAP BOULEVARD AND DEFICIENT ROAD MAPS AND ADVERSELY IMPACTED. AND I KNOW THESE DON'T QUITE MEET THE THRESHOLD, BUT I AM GOING TO MAKE STATEMENTS LATER ABOUT THAT. BUT LET'S SEE IF THIS IS A

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SO GIVEN THE ST. AUGUSTINE LAKES PUD AND THE FERBER PUD.

FERBER PUD WAS JUST APPROVED LAST YEAR.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY UPGRADES THAT I AM AWARE OF ON FOUR MILE ROAD. AND A LOT OF THIS TRAFFIC WILL GO TO FOUR MILE ROAD I ASSUME. BECAUSE YOU SAY YOU ARE PROVIDING HOUSING FOR I-95 AND STATE ROAD 16 FOLKS, ETC.

EITHER TO HOLMES BOULEVARD OR SOUTH TO 07 OR UP TO FOUR MILE ROAD AND UP TO 16 OR STRAIGHT UP TO 16 OR WHATEVER.

THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC WHEN THOSE TWO ARE BUILT OUT. SO I CAN'T MAKE IT A QUESTION.

SO I WILL HAVE MAKE IT A STATEMENT LATER.

SO THANK YOU FOR STANDING THERE AND LISTENING TO THAT.

ALL RIGHT, THANKS. THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

>>GREG MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> JUDY SPIEGEL. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS JUDY SPIEGEL, GREEN WILLOW LANE IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

30826. I AGREE WITH DR. HILSENBECK'S O OBSERVATIONS.

MY QUESTION IS INFRASTRUCTURE. 98.9%.

EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A RATHER SMALL NUMBER OF CARS.

THE 880 DWELLING UNITS THAT WERE REFERENCED IN THIS PROPOSAL ARE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DEVELOPED AND HOW MANY CAR ALSO THAT ADD TO THE ROAD AND THEN WHAT WILL BE THE NUMBER.

ADDING 427 TRIPS TO ME SEEMS EXCESSIVE.

I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE IN THIS REFERENCE TO SCHOOL IMPACT.

I DO KNOW IT IS A RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS, BUT INFRASTRUCTURE DOES INCLUDE OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR CHILDREN. WE HAVE 54,000 CHILDREN THAT ARE ENROLLED IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS THIS YEAR.

AND I AM SURE THAT NUMBER WILL GROW BY THE TIME THIS PROJECT WOULD BE UP AND RUNNING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF SMALL PROJECTS DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT IN THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE COMMENTS, BUT I DIDN'T NOTICE IT ANYWAY IN LOOKING OVER THEIR APPLICATION. I ALSO APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE LAYOUT OF THE AREA.

IT IS NICELY PLANNED. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERY DEVELOPER DOES THAT.

SEEMS LIKE CLEAR CUT AND BUILD WHAT YOU WANT AND PLANT A FEW TREES SEEM TO BE THE LETTER OF THE DAY.

THE WORKFORCE HOUSING $260,000. GLAD THAT BROUGHT UP.

THE NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT, I THINK, WAS THE APPLICATION. AND JUST -- THIS IS A LITTLE ANECDOTAL THAT I HAVE IN MY HOUSE NEAR DISTRICT 3, A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2008 THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY OPENED AND IT IS NINE THREE-STORY BUILDINGS.

QUITE A FEW. BEAUTIFULLY DONE.

IT IS NICE. BUT NO DESPERATE LOOK PEOPLE TO MOVE IN THERE THAT THEY ARE PAYING THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE $550 EACH IF THEY CAN REFER SOMEBODY TO EVEN APPLY TO LIVE THERE. THAT IS RENTAL.

BUT IT IS UNDER $2,000 A MONTH. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE $300,000 IF YOU CAN AFFORD A MORTGAGE. OVER $2,000 A MONTH WITH THAT PRICE POINT. THE MARKET DEMAND IS WHAT I HAVE A QUESTION. I DID MENTION TRAFFIC AND SO THAT IS MY CONCERNS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TI TIME.

>> RENEE LEVINE. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS RE RENEE LEVIS, DEER RUN ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE, 20084.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MAP IS, BUT MY PROPERTY IS RIGHT UP AGAINST THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE TALKING OF DEVELOPING ALL OF THESE DUPLEXES. AND MY -- MY BACK YARD IS ALL OF THIS PROPERTY WHICH WAS FRANK AND KATHY FAZIO.

I AM HAPPY FOR THEM THAT THEY -- THAT THEY ARE GOING TO MOVE ON BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY IS GETTING PUSHED OUT OF THIS COUNTY. LIKE IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. BUT WE HAVE GOT A PROBLEM HERE.

THE OTHER END OF OUR ROAD WHERE THEY JUST APPROVED THE 400

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THEY COULDN'T GET AROUND THERE. FOUR MILE ROAD WAS BACKED UP.

TERRIBLE FOR TWO YEARS TRYING TO GET INTO OUR PROPERTY.

THEY OPENED THE ROAD UP AT THE OTHER END NOW WE ARE TALKING OF BLOCKING US IN WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT OFF OUR OF FAZIO ROAD. WHICH WE WILL HAVE IT FROM BOTH ENDS. WE CAN BARELY GET OUT NOW WITH THIS OTHER DEVELOPMENT STARTING. MY BACK YARD IS THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS COWS, HORSES. TONS OF BIRDS.

LIKE A BIRD SANCTUARY. WHEN IT RAINS HARD, IT IS LIKE A BIG, GIANT POND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD WHERE THE COWS ARE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, AT THAT BABY COW OUT THERE THIS MORNING.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE SOME LOW INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OF PEOPLE AND ALL THIS RIFT RAFT REPRESENTERS COMING IN AND OUT AND BEING ALL THIS MESS IN MY BACK YARD.

THIS IS MY SANCTUARY BACK HERE. THIS IS MY WHOLE AREA OF NATURE.

AND I JUST HATE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY EXCEPT I HOPE THIS DOESN'T GET APPROVED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. PASTOR DAVE BLISS.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, PASTOR DAVE BLISS, 2021 FOUR MILE ROAD HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. I USED TO HAVE THE FAITH WEST MINISTRIES. RECOVERY MINISTRY THERE WHICH SOLD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. I STILL RETAIN SIX AND A HALF ACRES AND OF COURSE, IT IS LISTED FOR SALE.

AND -- AND YOU KNOW, I -- I WANT TO SEE -- THINGS CHANGE BECAUSE I HAVE REAL ESTATE THAT I WANT TO SELL.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I REALIZE THAT I LOVE THE AREA THAT I LIVE IN. AND I WANT TO SEE IT DONE RIGHT.

SOME I KNOW THAT THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A 90,000-SQUARE-FOOT SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS FROM MY ENTRANCE -- I HAVE AN ENTRANCE ON MILES PER HOUR MILE ROAD AND DEER RUN.

MY PARCEL HAS ACCESS TO BOTH ROADS.

BUT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY FOUR MILE ENTRANCE IS THE 33 ACRES THAT I BELIEVE THERE IS A SUBDIVISION AND SHOPPING CENTER THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED. I DON'T KNOW.

THAT IS A QUESTION FOR YOU ALL. IF THAT IS STILL MOVING FORWARD.

THAT WOULD -- THAT WOULD CHANGE A LOT OF THINGS BECAUSE FOUR MILE WILL BE OPENED UP ON THE SIDE THAT -- THAT MY PROPERTY EXITS ON TO. JUST A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AROUND HERE. YES, THE 400 HOMES AT THE END OF DEER RUN ROAD THAT DID CUT OFF DEER RUN ROAD.

AND THEN -- AND WHAT THIS -- WHAT THIS PERHAPS -- THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT I CAN RESOLVE THE PROBLEM.

THEY HAVE GOT -- FOR ENTRANCES. IF PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM.

AND THEY COULD HAVE ACCESS FOUR MILE AND ANOTHER ENTRANCE ON TO DEER RUN ROAD. THAT'S ALL I HAVE IF MY QUESTION CAN BE ANSWERED AS FAR AS THE SUBDIVISION ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY ENTRANCE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. CHUCK LEBONOWSKI.

>> THE OVERHEADWORKING BY CHANCE? NO, IT IS NOT? IT IS UNFORTUNATE.

CHUCK LEBONOWSKI. >>GREG MATOVINA: CHUCK, IT LOOKS

LIKE IT IS WORKING. >> IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS CURRENT RIGHT NOW.

THAT YELLOW LINE. THAT IS THE BACK-UP ON FOUR MILE ROAD, RIGHT NOW. I LOST IT A MINUTE AGO WHEN WE HAD THE LIGHTNING STRIKE, BUT IT CAME BACK UP.

THAT IS HORRENDOUS FOR FOUR MILE ROAD AND PUT MORE TRAFFIC ON TO FOUR MILE ROAD WITH NO FUTURE PLANS TO IMPROVE FOUR MILE ROAD.

I AM NOT AGAINST THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, BUT WITH REGARDS TO TRAFFIC IN THE AREA AND PARTS OF HOMES ROAD WILL NOT BE IMPROVED ANY TIME IN THE FUTURE.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT NOT APPROVING IT AT THIS TIME UNTIL FOUR MILE ROAD IS FIXED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. JODY HUNT HUNTER.

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>> MY NAME IS JODY HUNTER, 2400 DEER RUN ROAD WHICH IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

MY MAIN CONCERN IS WITH THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.

IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET OFF OF DEER RUN ROAD NOW ON THE FOUR MILE ROAD OR HOLMES BOULEVARD WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.

IF SOMEONE DOESN'T STOP TO LET YOU GO, IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO LET YOU OUT AS IT IS NOW. THE LAKES ON THE END OF THE ROAD DOES NOT HAVE ANY RESIDENTS, BUT 400 HOMES WILL GENERATE AT LEAST 600 VEHICLES TO GET OFF OF DEER RUN ON HOLMES BOULEVARD AND FOUR MILE ROAD. THE DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN KWA FOUR MILE AND 16 AND THE. IF FOUR MILE.

4600 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND 400 TOWN HOMES WITH EXIT AND ENTRANCE ON TO FOUR MILE ROAD. THAT IS MORE TRAFFIC.

26 TOWN HOMES WITH 52 DWELLINGS, AT LEAST ANOTHER 80 VEHICLES.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY KIND OF PLAN TO MOVE THE TRAFFIC? IS THERE -- I MEAN IT IS TERRIBLE NOW TO GET IN AND OUT IS ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE.

IF YOU ADD THIS MUCH MORE TRAFFIC WHEN THE 400 HOMES SELL.

AND THESE 52 UNITS SELL HERE. WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT ALL THE CARS AND HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET OUT OF THERE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU. RACHEL TOSK.

>> HI, ROCHELLE TOSKI, 2180 DEER RUN ROAD.

NOT ONLY THE TRAFFIC IS ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS AS YOU HEARD FROM EVERYBODY ELSE. I LIVE -- MY PROPERTY ABUTS UP TO THE BIG FIELD. I LIVE NEXT TO MY PARENTS.

THEY HAVE SIX ACRES. I HAVE TWO.

ABSOLUTELY. YOU WALK OUT IN OUR BACKYARDS AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. THE BIG EEKS, THE BIG POND THAT IS BACK THERE, THE ANIMALS, THE HE BIRDS.

IT IS JUST -- EVERY SPECIES OF BIRDS, HUNDREDS OF BIRDS BACK THERE. IT IS MAGNIFICENT AND THEY ARE GOING TO TEAR ALL THIS DOWN TO PUT HOUSING BACK THERE.

I CAN'T EVEN GET OUT. I GO TO WORK AT 6:00 IN THE MORNING. MY HUSBAND CAN'T AT 5:00.

WE CAN'T GET OUT 5:00 IN THE MORNING WHEN NO ONE IS AWAKE AND NO ONE LIVING IN THESE 450 HOMES YET.

IF WE HAVE MORE HOMES, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? THE ELEVATION. THE ELEVATION WHERE THEY BUILT THE OTHER PROPERTY, THE 450 HOMES ON THE OTHER END OF THE ROAD. IF YOU GO AND STAND ON THAT ROAD, YOU ARE WHERE YOU ARE AND YOU ARE LOOKING DOWN ON PEOPLE -- THE TOPS OF THEIR HOUSES. TERRIBLE.

WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO FOR US.

FLOOD US COMPLETELY OUT. ALL WETLANDS BACK THERE.

ALL WATER AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THIS CAN'T HAPPEN. THANK YOU.

>>GREG MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO

OFFER SOME REBUTTAL? >> THANK YOU, AAPOLOGIZE AND I WAS TRYING TO PULL UP THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF YOUR PACKET, AND MY ADOBE WILL PULL UP AT ALL.

ONE THING MENTIONED IMPACTING SCHOOL CONCURRENCY.

WE WILL DEFER TO STAFF FOR THE IMPACT OF THAT, 52 UNITS WILL BE SIGNIF SIGNIFICANTLY LESS IMPACT OF THE ST. AUGUSTINE LAKES WITH SCHOOL CONCURRENCY AND ALL THAT.

I WILL REFER TO STAPH ON THAT. CAN WE PULL UP THE SITE PLAN FOR THIS -- OR CAN I HIT PACK? THERE WE GO.

SO WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS OF LOSING OPEN SPACE, THE NATURAL SETTING OF THIS PUD. OVER 67% OF OUR DEVELOPMENT ACREAGE WILL REMAIN OPEN SPACE. UNIMPROVED.

WE ARE PRESERVING THE WETLANDS TO MINIMIZE THOSE IMPACTS.

SO SOME OF THE OVERALL IMPACTS, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE LOCATED TO THE EAST OF THE SITE WILL BE MINIMAL COMPARED TO -- WE TRY TO FOCUS OUR DEVELOPMENT AS CLOSE TO DEER RUN ROAD AS POSSIBLE.

AND AS FAR AS TRAFFIC IMPACTS, OUR STUDY -- THE STUD IN YOUR PACKET THAT WE INCLUDED FOCUSED ON DEER RUN AND HOLMES BOULEVARD, I BELIEVE. AND THE PEAK TIME TRIPS FOR THIS IS 21 PEAK-HOUR TRIPS IN THE A.M. AND 27 PEAK-HOUR TRIPS IN THE P.M. AND THE STUDIES DETERMINED THAT THE IMPACT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS ON THE ROADWAY SEGMENT WILL BE NEGLIGIBLE COMPARED TO THE EXISTING.

WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE CURRENT ROADWAY IS DEFICIENT, BUT THE CURRENT TRIPS BY THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE NEGLIGIBLE CONSIDERING WHAT IS CURRENTLY EXECUTIVE SESSION ITTING AND

WHAT IS CURRENTLY COMING ONLINE. >>GREG MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT, DOES

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>> THANK YOU. MEGHAN.

>>MEAGHAN PERKINS: NOTION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 2023-05 DEER RUN ROAD BASED ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT.

>>GREG MATOVINA: A MOTION AND APPROVAL BY MEGHAN, IS THERE A SE SECOND.

>>ELVIS PIERRE: I SECOND. >>GREG MATOVINA: SECONDS BY ELVIS. DISCUSSION?

RICHARD? >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: I CANNOT GET PAST THE ROAD ISSUES. AND I SEE JAN IS BACK THERE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION OFFICE. BUT WHEN YOU GOT FOUR MILE ROAD AT 1R58.5% OF CAPACITY AND HOLMS BOULEVARD AT 98.6% OF CAPACITY FROM HOLMES BOULEVARD FROM COUNTY 214 TO FOUR DAP MILE, THE NORTHERN STRETCH OF HOMES HOLMES.

AND UP LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC. THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO GENERATE. IT SAYS THE PROJECT TRAFFIC IS ANTICIPATED TO BE 0.78% OF ADOPTED PEAK HOUR MAXIMUM SERVICE ON FOUR MILE. FOR HOLMES, 0.47%.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT -- WHAT IS ADVERSELY IMPACTED SEGMENTS, AND THE DEFICIENT ROADWAYS. THAT IS IN THE APPLICATION, SAYS ADVERSELY IMPACTED -- IMPACTED SEGMENTS ARE THOSE ROADWAY SEGMENTS WITHIN THE STUDY AREA THAT ARE CURRENTLY OVER 100% CAPACITY BASED ON TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC AND ARE IMPACTED BY PROJECT TRAFFIC AT 1% OR GREATER OF THE ATE PROVED MAXIMUM SERVICE VOLUME. OKAY.

SO THIS DOESN'T QUITE QUALIFY BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE 0.78%.

NOT THERE AT 1%. AND YOU HAVE 0.47%.

NOT 1%. BUT I WISH THERE WAS SOME CONSIDERATION TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT FOR SOMETHING LIKE FOUR MILE ROAD THAT IS AT 158.5% OF CAPACITY.

AND HOLMES BOULEVARD AT 98.6% OF CAPACITY.

I MEAN, THOSE ARE RIGHT THERE. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW -- IF FOUR MILE ROAD WAS AT 90% CAPACITY. THEN I CAN SEE WITH AND I CAN AGREE WITH YOUR TERM "NEGLIGIBLE TRAFFIC" COMING OUT OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT. 346 OR WHATEVER VEHICLES.

THAT IS NOT NEGLIGIBLE TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.

AND HAVE TO USE THESE ROADS. BUT IF HOLMES BOULEVARD OR FOUR MILE WERE 90% OR LESS IMPACTED AT CAPACITY, WHICH THEY ARE NOT, THEN I COULD SEE THAT THESE AT LESS THAN 1% ARE NEGLIGIBLE, BUT THEY ARE NOT. 158.5 AND 98.6.

MAYBE MORE THAN THAT NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST STUDIES WERE DONE WITH FOUR MILES AND HOLMES.

PROBABLY RECENTLY GIVEN T THE FERBER DISCUSSIONS.

I STILL SEE THESE AS DEE FISH E-- DEFICIENT AND ADDING ANY MORE PROJECTS -- YOU PUT UP THE GRAPHIC -- I LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.

IF YOU CAN PUT A GRAPHIC OF THE ROAD NETWORKS OR DEFICIENT ROADS OR WHATEVER. BUT WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS, AGAIN, ST. AUGUSTINE. THAT IS A GOOD ONE.

JUST LIFE THAT RIGHT THERE. ST. AUGUSTINE LAKES, THAT IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT. THAT WILL BE 575 NEW HOUSES.

FERBER WILL BE ANOTHER 305, MULTIFAMILY, APARTMENT TOWNHOMES AS WELL THE COMMERCIAL. AS SOMEBODY POINTED OUT.

THAT IS 880 NEW HOMES IN THE AREA WITH THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS AND THOUSANDS OF DAILY TRIPS. SO THAT -- THOSE ARE -- THOSE HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT FOUR MILE ROAD AND HOLMES BOULEVARD. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN NOT TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THIS.

PEOPLE LEAVING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF -- LET'S SAY THEY ARE GOING TO GO OUT TO STATE ROAD 16 AND I-95. AND THEY ARE GOING TO GO OUT

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EVEN AT MAYBE 5:00 OR 6:00 IN THE MORNING.

AND LET'S TALK ABOUT COMPATIBILITY.

THE ROAD SITUATION IS -- IS BAD. IF WE LOOK AT -- BEFORE I GET TO COMPATIBILITY. I BROUGHT THIS UP MANY TIMES AND WE NEED TO START PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS.

THIS IS IN THE COMP PLAN. COMP PLAN POLICY A.1.2.5-C.

YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY THIS WITH THE EXTENT OF WHICH ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT EXISTS OR IS PROGRAMMED OR FUND AND THROUGH AN ADOPTED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SCHEDULE AND GOES ON.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT. YES, HOLMES BOULEVARD IS BEING UPGRADED. A WAYS FROM BEING COMPLETED.

THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A NEW RIGHT-TURN LANE ON FOUR MILE AS PRT OF FERBER. WAS ON THAT ROAD AND I SAW NOTHING HAPPENING THERE. SO WE ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE REGULATIONS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY IF WE APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. JUST LOOK AT THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE. THIS IS -- LEAVE IT RIGHT THERE, PLEASE. THAT SLIDE YOU JUST HAD UP THERE. COULD YOU GO BACK, PLEASE, TO THAT AERIAL? THANK YOU.

LET'S LOOK AT COMPATIBILITY. AND WE HAVE GOT THE COMPATIBILITY ANALYSIS ON PAGE 10 OF THE APPLICATION.

WHAT YOU HAVE GOT WITH THIS 25 ACRES, YOU GOT WETLANDS FLANKING IT ON BOTH SIDES. DEEP SIDE WET LAINDZ FLANKING IT. TO THE NORTHEAST, THE MISSION TRACE NEIGHBORHOOD. REAL NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE OR THE STATE COLLEGE ST. JOHNS STATE COLLEGE FURTHER EAST. THESE TOWN HOMES ARE 23409 COMPATIBLE WITH MISSION TRACE. YOU GO ACROSS THE LARGE WETLAND TO THE SOUTHWEST, YOU HAVE VERY LARGE ACREAGE LOTS.

I AM GOING TO GUESS THEY ARE TWO-ACRE LOTS ON THERE IN CIRCLE DRIVE WEST NORTH AND EAST. INTERSECTING PAL ROAD AND ALL THAT. AND YOU LOOK AT THE COMPATIBILITY TABLE HERE ON THE ANALYSIS ON PAGE 10.

THE DENSITY FOR THIS IS BELOW THE ALLOWED DENSITY.

SO THE PROPOSED DENSITY IS 4.02 FOR THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

BUT NORTH OF THAT, THE DENSITY RIGHT NOW IS 0.31 TO 1.4 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. SO THE EAST IS 0.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. TO THE SOUTH, 0.73 TO 0.88 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. TOOT WEST, 0.45 TO 2.33, WHICH IS BY FAR THE HIGHEST BUT IT IS STILL ABOUT HALF OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE. I JUST DON'T SEE IN AS BEING COMPATIBILITY AT THIS TIME. WITH WHAT IS OUT THERE.

OR WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COME ON LINE OUT THERE AND ARE FULLY BUILT OUT, BUT I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING COMPATIBLE.

SO THAT IS MY OPINION. AND I AM GOING TO VOTE NO ON

THIS. >>GREG MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE? I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT TO MAKE.

HAND THIS IS. BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS YOU WILL MAKE $50,000 TODAY 60,000 A YEAR TO LIVE NEAR THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR $300,000 PRICE UNDER THE CURRENT INTEREST RATES. THAT WILL BE OUR POLICE AND FIRE FIGHTERS AND TEACHERS AND THAT SORT OF FOLKS.

AND I -- ALTHOUGH SOME OF THEM MAY BE RIFT RAFT, I WOULDN'T CATEGORIZE ALL OF THEM AS RIFT RAFT AND WOULDN'T CHARACTERIZE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN $600,000 HOUSES AS GOOD PEOPLE.

I THINK THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE. THAT IS MY COMMENT.

>> MR. CHAIR, MAY I COMMENT? >>GREG MATOVINA: YES, YOU MAY.

>> IN RESPONSE TO A-1-2-5. TO POINT OUT A-1-2-5 FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. THIS PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL C AND APRIL LOWED TO GO WITH A PUD APPLICATION AS YOU ARE SEEING WITH YOU TODAY. THE POLICY -- AND I THINK WOULD APPLY TO THE COMMENTS THAT DR. HILSENBECK HAS MADE IS POLICY A-1-3-11 THE COMPATIBILITY POLICY THAT ADDRESSES MANY OF THE THINGS HE MENTIONED.

>>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: I APPRECIATE THAT CORRECTION.

I NEEDED THAT AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

A I WAS GOING TO READ OUTA-1-11-3.

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>>GREG MATOVINA: SO I HIT HIM WITH A GAVEL FOR HIM MAKING A

MISTAKE. >>DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK: PLEASE. THAT WILL PROBABLY DO ME SOME

GOOD. >>GREG MATOVINA: LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. WHAT DO YOU THINK? SO THAT MOTION PASSES 3-2. RECOMMENDATION FORTE APPROVAL

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