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[Call meeting to order]

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. >>> GOOD AFTERNOON.

I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE AUGUST 7 MEETING OF THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD.

JOHN, CAN WE HAVE THE READING OF THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT?

>> . JOHN WOULD LIKE US TO DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FIRST.

. FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>>> OKAY. >> VALUE I GO AHEAD AND READ?

>> YES. >> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CON COLONELS WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE BOARD'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENTS AS THE DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING.

ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD. ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS WILL BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN.

PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM FOR WHICH LENGTH OF TIME IS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN.

SPEAKERS SHALL IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.

IF THEY DO NOT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN IT WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT AND TRUTHFULNESS OF THEIR COME. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION WITH RESPECT TO A MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND THEY NEED TO ENSURE THAT VERBATIM RECORD IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INDICATES TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, WRITTEN STATEMENTS OBTAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE BOARD OR OTHER COUNTY TO REVIEW, THE APPEAL RELATED TO THAT ITEM. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THAT SHOW THAT YOU WOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAVE HAD INDIANA COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY PERSON REGARDING THE SUBJECTS OF SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE BOARD.

SUCH COMMUNICATION OCCURRED THE BOARD MEMBERS SHALL IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATTER OF THE MATERIAL OF THE COMMUNICATION. WE ARE REMAIN RESPECTFUL TO THE EACH OTHER WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMUNITY COLLEGES TO THE ISSUES AND AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

>> THANK YOU JOHN. COUNTY STAFF HAS ASKED ME TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO THE PUBLIC THAT AT TODAY'S MEETING THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PONTE VEDRA RESORT WILL NOT BE HEARD. CURRENTLY THE SCHEDULE FOR THE HEARING AT COUNTY BOARDS, THE FIRST ONE IS THE PZA ON AUGUST 17. THAT WILL BE HELD IN THE COUNTY AUDITORIUM, THIS BUILDING AND IT WILL BE HEARD NO EARLIER THAN 3:00 P.M. THE PONTE VEDRA ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE WILL BE HEARING THE PUD APPLICATION ON SEPTEMBER 6 AT THE SAW GRASS MARRIOTT AND THAT MEETING WILL START AT 5:00 P.M. THIS BOARD WILL HEAR THE APPLICATION FOR THE PONTE VEDRA RESORT ON SEPTEMBER 11, HERE THIS THE COUNTY AUDITORIUM AT 11:00 A.M.

ONE COMMENT IS THAT HEARING DATES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS THE PROJECT MOVES THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS, AND IF THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO HEAR OF ANY CHANGES IN WHERE SHOULD THEYING ALLOW ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE, THAT'S THE BEST PLACE.

>> I THINK GROWTH MANAGEMENT WILL BE TRACKING THAT

INFORMATION. >> .

>> THAT'S CORRECT. THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT THE DATES OR KEEP UP-TO-DATE ON OUR COUNTY WEBSITE WE HAVE A

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CALENDAR THAT WE KEEP TRACK OF ALL THE MEETING DATES OR THEY CAN CONTACT OUR PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT DIRECTLY AND

PROVIDE IS THAT INFORMATION. >> SO THEY CAN SEND AN E-MAIL OR MAKE A PHONE CALL. AND IS THERE A PHONE NUMBER THAT

YOU CAN GIVE THE PUBLIC? >> YES.

PHONE NUMBER FOR THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE (904)209-0675.

AND THEN THE E-MAIL IS GOING TO BE PLANDEPT AT SJCFL.U.S.

[1. PVZVAR 2023-07 524 Ponte Vedra Blvd Variance. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.D & L.1. of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations to allow for a detached garage to exceed the platted Building Restriction Line.]

>> THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTINGS TODAY ON ANY OTHER TOPIC THAN THE SCHEDULED AGENDA ITEMS? SEE SEEING NONE, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE FIRST SCHEDULED AGENDA ITEM.

THAT IS PVZ VARIANCE 2023-07524 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.

AND THE PRESENTER IS ADAM SMYTHERS.

DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ADAM. WHO ARE YOU? ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY.

I WILL ASK THE BOARD TO REPORT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY TALKED TO ANYBODY ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM OR VISITED THE SITE.

>> I HAVE DRIVEN BY THE PROPERTY BUT I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO

ANYONE. >> SAME HERE, VISITED THE SITE

BUT HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO ANYONE. >> I VISITED THE SITE, DID NOT

SPEAK TO ANYONE. >> I VISITED THE SITE YESTERDAY,

DID NOT SPEAK WITH ANYONE. >> ALL RIGHT I GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS BETH MOORE, I'M WITH SEW TALL AND INGRAM LAW FIRM, LOCATED AT 1617 SAN MARCO BOULEVARD IN JACKSONVILLE AND WITH ME TODAY IS ADAM SMITHERS AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY IN SERVING THIS BOARD.

>> OUR REQUEST TODAY IS SEEKING A 14-FOOT VARIANCE FROM THE 65-FOOT BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 99-FOOT SETBACK AS I WILL LATER EXPLAIN.

IN ORDER FOR THE HOME OWNER TO BUILD A DETACHED GARAGE.

NOW, TO ORIENT OURSELVES AS TO THE LOCATION, THE PROPERTY IS PRETRIAL 1.2 MILES SOUTH OF THE PONTE VEDRA CLUB, ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD BETWEEN SO LANA ROAD AND CORONA ROAD. YOU CAN SEE IT IN THAT BLUE OUTLINE ON THE LEFT PICTURE T. AND HERE'S A CLOSER IN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S APPROXIMATELY .69-ACRE LOT. THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1958, A TRADITIONAL L SHAPED HOUSE WITH A TWO CAR ATTACHED GARAGE.

THE HOMEOWNERS PURCHASED IT IN 2012 AND THE LOCATION AND IT'S UNDERGOING RENOVATIONS, IF YOU DROVE PAST YOU PROBABLY SAW IN ORDER FOR IT TO BETTER SUIT THEIR NEEDS.

SPECIFICALLY THEY ARE SEEKING TO BILL A TWO CAR DETACHED GARAGE FOR SEVERAL REASONS. FIRST THE FAMILY OZ TWO KIDS ONE OF WHOM JUST TURNED 16 SO THEY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL DRIVER SO HAVING THE EXTRA SPACE WOULD BE HELPFUL, AND SECOND ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS SERVED AS A RESERVE POLICE OFFICER WITH THE JACKVILLE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND HE WAS APPOINT TO THE POSITION OF SWAT MEDIC, WHICH I LEARNED MORE ABOUT, SO SEXUALITY MEDIC SWAD MET I THINK IS A POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE PARAMEDIC TRAINING SO THEY ARE CALLED IT O ON HIGH RISK CALLS TO SERVE AMERICA SUPPORT HURRICANE SEASON , SO BECAUSE RESPONSE TIME IS SEW IMPORTANT THE HOMEOWNER KEEPS HIS READY GEAR SECURE IN HIS VEHICLE BUT THAT MEANS THE VEHICLE NEEDS TO BE KEPT SECURELY AND SAFELY IN A GARAGE, SO THE DETACHED GARAGE WILL HELP THE HOMEOWNER BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY AS A FIRST RESPONDERS BY BEING ABLE TO RESPOND MORE QUICKLY THAN HE MIGHT OTHERWISE. AND JUST STEPPING BACK HOW WE GOT HERE THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PLAT FROM 19 SIFT IT'S 56 AND ZOOMING IN THE LOT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS LOT FOUR AND THERE IS A BE GLAD TOED BUILDING RESTRICTION NINE OF 65 FEET. BUT THEN MORE RECENTLY THE PONTE

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VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS STIPULATE THAT RECESS DENTAL LOTS BETWEEN MIRANDA ROAD AND CORONA ROAD ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD WHICH IS THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, ANY FRONT YARD SOCIETYBACK HAS TO BE MEASURED FROM THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE VACATED 34-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY SO THAT'S 65-FOOT SETBACK IS NOW ESSENTIALLY 99 FEET X. THIS SURVEY OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES SHOWS THE BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE, THERE THAT DOTTED LINE IN BLUE AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1958 BEFORE THE ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS WENT IN PLACE, AND SO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS ALREADY NINE FEET OVER THE CURRENT EXISTING BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE. AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT, THE PHOTO T OILIEST SEWS THE PROPOSED DETACHED GARAGE. IT'S A TWO CAR DETACHED GARAGE WITH CONDITIONED SPACE ABOVE SO THERE WILL BE ROOM FOR A HALF BATH AND A HOME OFFICE. AND IT EXTENDS 14 FEET BEYOND THE BUILD RESTRICTION LINE BUT IT'S ONLY FIVE FEET BEYOND THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN THE CLOSER DEPICTION ON THE RIGHT. SO THIS L SHAPED HOUSE NOW BECOMES MORE OF A U SHAPE WHICH IS VERY COMMON ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD AND WHAT'S ALSO COMMON IS THAT THERE ARE A RAIN OF DISTANCES. SOME HOUSES ARE BUILT A LITTLE CLOSER, SOME STRUCTURES A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE THEY WERE BUILT BEFORE THE THE REGULATIONS WENT IN PLACE OR DELAY THEY GOT VARIANCES IT'S CERTAINLY A KIND OF RANGE CAN THE NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES HAVE SLIGHTLY CLOSER STRUCTURES. SO I THINK HAVING THIS U SHAPE AND IT ONLY BEING ABOUT FIVE FEET IN FRONT OF WHERE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ENDS CERTAINLY FITS WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA AND THE THAT YOU NEED.

SO THIS SHOWS WHAT THE PLANS, THE TOP IS THE FRONT ELEVATION.

THEY'RE DOING A NEW FEATURED ENTRYWAY WITH A PEGULA AND ON THE LEFT WAS THE DETACHED GARAGE WILL LIKE.

SO CERTAINLY FITS I THINK WITHIN THE A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE AREA. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER DEPICTION AND IT SHOWS KIND OF HOW CLOSE THE STRUCTURES ARE IN TERMS OF THE DISTANCE. CAN THEN ANOTHER KIND OF QUESTION MIGHT BE, WELL CAN I IT GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, MAYBE THE BACKYARD BUT THE BACKYARD DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE AND THERE ARE SOME PROTECTED TREES THAT THE HOMEOWNER WANTS TO PRESERVE TO THE BEST EXTENT POSSIBLE SO I HAVE A FEW PICTURES SHOWING WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

THIS IS LOOKING INTO THE BACKYARD WITH THAT BIG TREE THERE AND THERE IS ALSO A BUILD RESTRICTION LINE IN BACK.

SO THEY'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT.

THE POOL IS UNDERGOING SOME RENOVATION AS YOU CAN SEE AND THAT'S THAT TREE THAT WOULD BE IN THE WAY IF THE GARAGE WERE MOVED SOMEWHERE ELSE FROM THE FRONT INTO THE BACK.

ALL THE NEIGHBORS RECEIVED THE PROPER NOTICE, AND NO ONE EXPRESSED ANY CONCERN. WE DO HAVE A LETTERS IN SUPPORT WHICH WERE SUBMITTED. THE NEIGHBORS OP ON BOTH SIDES AND THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.

SO IN SUMMARY, WE'RE REQUESTING A 14-FOOT VARIANCE FROM THE 99-FOOT SETBACK, THE WAY THAT THE LOT IS CONFIGURED THE ONLY PLACE THAT A TWO CAR DETACHED GARAGE COULD GO IS IN THE FRONT. IT WOULD ON THE EXTEND ABORTIVE FEET BEYOND EXISTING STRUCTURE. IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OTHER HOUSES AND IT WOULD ALLOW THE FAMILY TO BETTER SUIT THEIR NEEDS INCLUDING THE HOMEOWNER WHO WOULD BE BETTER BE ABLE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AS A SWAT METIC.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

>> ONE QUESTION, I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OF THOSE LETTERS IN MY PACKET. DO YOU HAVE COPES OF THEM?

>> I DO. I APOLOGIZE, I PRINTED THEM OFF THIS MORNING AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY MADE IT TO THE RED FOLDERS -- OR FOLDERS THAT WE HAND OUT AS A --

>> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> SURE.

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CAN WE ZOOM IN A LITTLE

>> [INDISCERNIBLE] SOL. .

>> IF I MAY, CAN WE GET THOSE FOR THE RECORD?

>> SURE. >> DO YOU HAVE COPIES YOURSELF

OR THOSE ORIGINALS? >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> RICH; DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE

APPLICANT? >> YES I DO.

SO I WAS TRYING TO QUICK FOLLOW ALL THE SLIDES YOU PUT UP THERE. IT'S A TWO GARAGE DOOR GARAGE? IN OTHER WORDS FOR TWO SEPARATE GARAGE SPOTS?

>> IT WILL BE A SINGLE DOUBLE DOOR.

>> IT IS SINGLE DOUBLE. OKAY.

AND DID YOU SAY THERE IS OTHER SPACE IN THERE THAN CAR

PARKING? >> THE SECOND FLOOR WILL BE A CONDITIONED SPACE, IT WILL HAVE A SMALL HALF BATH AND -- AND

SOME JUST OFFICE SPACE. >> OKAY, THAT WILL BE ON THE

SECOND FLOOR? >> YES.

>> OKAY. AND THEN THE ACCESS TO THE HOME, THEY CAN COME OUT AND GO THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR?

>> YES. >> IS THAT HOW OLD HOW IT WOULD

WORK? >> YES.

>> I'M ASSUMING THAT CORNER IS LIKE A BEDROOM, THAT IT HAS --

>> YOU'RE CORRECT, YEAH. SO -- YES.

SO THIS IS A BEDROOM AND THERE ARE EXISTING WINDOWS RIGHT

THERE. >> AND THEN I ALWAYS LOOK TO SEE IF PEOPLE HAVE BACKUP -- HAVE YOU LOOKED AT A ONE CAR GARAGE?

>> MY NAME IS ADAM SMITHERS. WITH THE OFFICE ABOVE A ONE CAR GRADUAL NOT BE BIG ENOUGH FOR HIM TO HAVE HIS OFFICE ABOVE THERE. AND HIS OFFICE IS RELATED TO

THIS HIGH PROFILE POSITION? >> YES, IT WILL BE HIS OFFICE,

HIS HOME OFFICE. >> I SEE.

>> YEAH, HE DOES, I BELIEVE, HAVE THE ABILITY TO WORK FROM HOME SEVERAL DAYS A WEEK SO THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THANK YOU.

>> JOHN? >> YEAH.

THE BUILDING LOOK TO BE ABOUT 30 FEET BY 27 FEET FOOTPRINT?

>> 29 BY 26. >> OKAY.

29 BY 26. AND ALSO LOOKING AT THE OVERHEAD PICTURES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE HOUSE AT 522 AND THE HOUSE AT 526 LOOK TO BE QUESTION FOR STAFF OR WHOMEVER ALL APPEAR TO BE FARTHER FORWARD THAN YOU'RE PROPOSING.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND IF YOU GO SOUTH OF THERE THERE ARE A COUPLE HOUSES THAT ARE A LOT CLOSER AND THE HOUSE AT 522 AND 526 APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN RENOVATED RECENTLY WITHIN THE LAST 20 YEARS. DO WE KNOW IF THAT'S A FACT OR DID THEY GET A VARIANCE FOR THAT?

>> DURING MY RESEARCH FOR THIS PROJECT I DIDN'T FIND ANY VARIANCES FOR THOSE PROJECTS. ALSO WHEN LOOKING -- SOME OF THE BUILD DATES WERE AT LEAST I KNOW FOR INSTANCE, 522, APPEARS THAT HOME WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1962, SO SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS MAY PRECEDE WHEN THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS CAME

INTO EFFECT. >> JOHN, JUST TO GIVE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT, 522 AND 532, 532 WAS BUILT IN 1959 AND 522 WAS BUILT THE 1962. THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT WAS CREATED IN 1965. THOSE TWO HOUSE PARENT THE

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CREATION OF THE ZONING DISTRICT.

THE COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT STARTED IN 1978.

AND 1995 THE [INDISCERNIBLE] WAS FORMED SO THE HOUSE AT 526 WHICH IS TO THE SOUTH WAS BUILT IN 1994, PRIOR TO THE PZA SO WE HAVE TWO HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WERE BUILT IN THE ERA OF THE [INDISCERNIBLE] FUNCTIONAL BODY.

528, THEN 530. AND I DID NOT LOOK AT THE CONSTRUCTION FOR EITHER OF THOSE TWO, BUT I KNOW 528 STARTED OFF

[INDISCERNIBLE]. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> JOHN TOUCHED ON MY QUESTIONS. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

>> MY ONLY ONLY QUESTION IS [INDISCERNIBLE].

DO YOU LOOK AT GOING 29 FEET [INDISCERNIBLE].

WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE AN AVERAGE VEHICLE [INDISCERNIBLE] NEED TO HAVE ALL 29 FEET [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> I DON'T SEE IT BEING ANY MORE, LIKE, THE WAY IT'S SHRINKING AND BEING ABLE TO FIT TWO CARS IN THERE IF THAT'S WHAT

YOU'RE ASKING. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

>> LIKE YOU SAID A CAR IS SEVEN FEET AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE ROOM TO OPEN THE DOORS SO 29 IS PRETTY -- THAT'S ABOUT WHERE YOU WANT TO BE TO BE ABLE TO FIT TWO CARS.

>> WHAT SIZE IS THE GARAGE DOOR?

>> I BELIEVE IT'S 18. >> A LITTLE BIGGER THAN NORMAL.

>> YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER IN GRANTING A VARIANCE IS IF THIS PROPERTY OWNER HAS A HARDSHIP AND I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SPEAK TO WHAT HARDSHIP THIS PROPERTY OWNER

HAS. >> I THINK THE CONFIGURATION OF THE LOT THAT THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY OTHER PLACE TO YOU KNOW; INCLUDE THIS DETACHED GARAGE, MAKES IT SOMEWHAT UNIQUE SITUATION, AND THERE'S ONLY A SMALL NUMBER OF LOTS THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THE SETBACK SO IT MAY GO MAKES IT A UNIQUE

SITUATION WHERE -- >> JUST FOR POINT OF INFORMATION, NOT TOO LONG AGO WE HAD CHANGED THE ZONING REGULATIONS TO CLARIFY FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

THOSE SET BACKS AND TO AFFIRM THAT SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING FOR YOU TO KNOW.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT I KNOW THIS HOUSE, THE RENOVATION PROCESS STARTED OFF WITH BUILDING THE POOL IN THE BACKYARD FIRST, SO THEY COULD HAVE PUT A GARAGE IN THE BACKYARD FOR THESE CARS. AND ORIENTED THE POOL IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY TRIED TO HAVE A SELF IMPOSED HARDSHIP BY THE LOCATION OF THE POOL. AND WE RECENTLY DID HAVE A SITUATION SIMILAR TO THIS WHERE THE PUBLIC HAD A POOL IN THE BACKYARD AND WANTED TO HAVE A VARIANCE IN THE FRONT YARD FOR A GARAGE AND THAT WAS DEEMED TO BE A HARDSHIP BY THIS BOARD AND ALSO WASN'T DEEMED TO BE A HARDSHIP BY THE COMMISSIONER, SO I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING MORE WOMAN COMPEL COME COMPELLING IN TERMS OF THE HARDSHIP. YOU COULD PUT IT IN THE BACKYARD AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REORIENTED -- YOU WOULD HAVE AN EXIT FROM THE FRONT YARD BY THE EXISTING THE GARAGE, SO IS THAT WOULD ADD ADDITIONAL TIME [INDISCERNIBLE] SURE.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I SYMPATHY PUTTING IT IN THE BACKYARD WOULD JUST MATERIALLY CHANGE THE ENTIRE KIND OF FEEL OF THE HOUSE, THE ABILITY TO ENJOY IT BECAUSE THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL TREES IN THE BACK THAT THEY WANTEDDED TO PRESERVE AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THE POOL IS ORIENTED THE WAY THAT IT IS IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THAT VIEW SCAPE AND I THINK THE NATURAL

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PLACE INSTEAD OF HAVING YOUR TEENAGE CHILD DRIVE THROUGH THE SIDE -- ACING LONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE THEY WANTED TO PUT THE GARAGE UP FRONT SO THAT IT'S EASIER ACCESS FOR THE ENTIRE FAMILY. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS -- AND I DO BELIEVE THE POOL WASN'T PART OF THIS PARTICULAR RENOVATION, I THINK IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. THEY PUT IT IN AS SOON AS IS

THAT I MOVED IN BASICALLY. >> AND THIS IS A FAMILY WHO'S LIVED THERE FOR OVER TEN YEARS. THEY LOVE THE AREA AND ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE USEFUL, SO I THINK THE SMALL NUMBER OF LOTS THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS REALLY LARGE SETBACK, I THINK THAT PEEK SPEAKS TO THE HARDSHIP.

THERE'S FEWER FEET WHERE YOU CAN PUT THINGS BASED ON THE LOCATION WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A LARGE SETBACK, ESPECIALLY GIVEN A NUMBER OF OTHER HOUSES IN THE AREA YOU KNOW SUBJECTED TO IT, A NUMBER OF OTHER HOUSES HAVE SIMILAR TYPES OF STRUCTURES THAT ARE OH THAT LINE AS WELL. I THINKIVELY SPEAK TO THE

ISSUE. >> MADAM CHAIRMAN, HOW HAS THE BOARD HISTORICALLY LOOKED AT ISSUES LIKE THIS WHERE AN OLDER HOME IMPEDES INTO THE SETBACK THAT CAME LATER IN FACT? SO THIS IS THIS IS FIVE-FOOT -- SEEMS TO BE ABOUT FIVE FEET WHERE THE CURRENT GARAGE EXCEEDS THE CURRENT SETBACK.

HOW HAS THE BOARD LOOKED AT THOSE WHEN ANOTHER VARIANCE IS BEING APPLIED, WHEN ONE PART OF THE HOUSE ALREADY IMPEDES THE CURRENT SETBACK, HOW HAS THE BOARD LOOKED AT THOSE?

>> WELL, THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS THE SOLAST NAME SO LANO ROAD HOME. ONE LOT WAS QUORUMMING AND THE OTHER WAS NOT COP CONFORMING, AND THERE WAS A [INDISCERNIBLE] THE . . .

>> SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE PART OF THIS EXISTING STRUCTURE IS INSIDE OR ODD OUTSIDE THE VARIANCE LINE, THIS BOARD HAD LOOKED THAT THE A AS BEING GRANDFATHERED IN ESSENTIALLY?

>> THAT'S EXISTING CONDITIONS. THAT'S ALLOWED TO REMAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING. IF THEY HAD KNOCKED DOWN THE WHOLE HOUSE AND BUILT THE HOUSE.

>> WITHIN THE NINE FEET. >> YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THE NINE FEET IS SOVEREIGN SORT OF LIKE A -- WOW THAT'S HUGE BUT THE COUNTY ACTUALLY CONCEDED 34 FEET OF LAND, SO IT'S NOT A

HARDSHIP THE GET MORE LAND. >> I MEAN MOST TIMES THE SETBACKS ARE MUCH CLOSER TO 40 FEET SO EVEN THE 65-FOOT BUILD RESTRICTION LINE IS FURTHER THAN A LOT OF SETBACK.

>> WELL THAT WAS PLATTED IN. JOHN, YOU MAY RECALL WHEN WE HAD -- WHEN BRAD SCOTT WAS THE CHAIR, WE HAD OTHER HOMES REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, AND WE PUT LANGUAGE IN THE CODE TO CLARIFY IT SO THAT EVERYBODY WOULD UNDERSTAND AND TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT NUMBER WHILE IT SEEMS LARGE IT WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS A GIFT OF THAT LAND. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT LOT HAS HA.

AND WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK FOR A HARDSHIP, SO MY PROBLEM IS THAT

I DON'T SEE A HARDSHIP. >> MEGAN, ON THE HOUSE ON SOLANO ROAD IT'S COMPLETELY NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THEY WANTED -- IT WAS 13 OR 14 FEET TO MOVE IN CLOSER TO THE ROAD TO ALLOW THE

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GARAGE WHERE THEY WANTED IT. AND ON THIS -- THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS AN EXISTING HOUSE.

PART OF MY WANT TOSS SUPPORT KEEPING THE ORIGINAL HOUSES ON PONTE VEDRA, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING NICE ABOUT HAVING THE ORIGINAL HOUSES AND PEOPLE RENOVATE THEM AND LOOKING AT THE TWO HOUSES ON NORTH AND SOUTH WHERE THEY'RE MUCH MORE THAN -- PROBABLY AT EIGHT THE TEN FEET THAN THIS IS I TEND TO GO FOR IT. IS IT A BAD HARDSHIP OR IS IT JUST AN INCONVENIENCE? IT'S HARD TO DEFINE.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I WANTED TO ASK ONE MORE.

WHEN YOUR GARAGE IS SET IN HOW DOES THAT SETBACK COMPARE TO THE GARAGE AT 526? LOOKS LIKE -- WOULD THEY BE

FAIRLY CLOSE? >> IN TERMS OF HOW FAR FROM

THE -- >> FROM THE ROAD?

>> I THINK IT'S FAIRLY COMPARABLE.

I HAVEN'T DONE THE SURVEY. >> I WOULD GO THE OTHER DIRECTION, I THINK FIVE-FOOT FENCE IS GOING TO STICK OUT.

IT'S IN THE SAME RANGE AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING

[INDISCERNIBLE]. >> DID YOU STAKE IT?

>> WE HAVEN'T STAKED IT OUT YET, KNOW MA'AM.

>> SO YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW FAR IT WILL BE [INDISCERNIBLE] IT WILL BE THE 14 FEET, YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE WHATEVER IT SAYS ON THE SURVEY. THAT'S WHAT IT WILL BE STAKED OUT TO. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BEYOND

THE SURVEY. >> WOULD YOU CONSIDER MOVING THE GARAGE CLOSER TO THE HOUSE? SO THAT IT'S CONTIGUOUS.

>> ESPECIALLY WITH WINDOWS THERE, BEDROOM WINDOWS, I FEEL LIKE ANY CLOSER MIGHT JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S CLOSING IN ON YOU.

I MEAN -- YEAH, I MEAN I THINK IT WOULD FEEL TIGHT AND DARK,

MAYBE IN THAT BEDROOM. >> WILL THERE BE ANY SORT OF COVER TEEN THE GARAGE AND THE HOUSE? IF YOU WALK TO THE GARAGE TO THE HOW THE IN THE RAIN?

>> IT WON'T BE COVERED. IT'S COMPLETELY DETACH.

>> AND THE HOUSE -- I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE OVERHAND OF

THE EVES WAS. >> LIKE TWO FEET.

>> AND THEN THE OVERHANG WOULD BE THE SAME?

>> A LITTLE LESS. >> YOU'LL HAVE GUTTERS?

>> YEAH WE'LL HAVE GUTTERS ON BEAU THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE

DETACHED. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? I HAVE TO ASK. DO I HEAR A MOTION?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE PVZVAR 2023 WILL HAVE ZERO SEVEN, 524 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD VARIANCE BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACT, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF

REPORT. >> SECOND.

[2. PVZVAR 2023-08 Kansler Variance. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.L of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations to allow for an encroachment into the 40-foot Building Restriction Line to accommodate placement of a screened pool enclosure, located at 216 Sea Glass Way.]

>> YEAH, TONY THE BUTTON ON THE TOP YES AND THERE'S NO SO YOU JUST CLICK WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT.

THE MOTION HAS PASSED. >> THANK YOU.

>> . >> HELLO BRAD.

SO THE SECOND ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS FOR PONTE VEDRA ZONING VARIANCE 2023 MANY OF ZERO EIGHT, THE CANCELS ALREADY VARIANCE, IT'S A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO SECTION EIGHT L OF THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS TO ALLOW FOR AN ENROACHMENT IN THE 40-FOOT BUILDING RICK LINE TO ACCOMMODATE PLACEMENT OF A SCREEN POOL ENCLOSURE AT 216 SEA

GLASS WAY. >> SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

BRAD WESTER. THAT IS UNAIMED DRIVE SUITE 1200 JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. GLAD TO BE HERE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. GOT SOME MORE THINGS IN QUEUE SO I'LL I'LL BE SEEING YOU SOON. THIS IS 216 SEA GLASS WAY.

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THE RESIDENTS ARE FROM NORTH CAROLINA AND THEY'RE MOVING DOWN SO THEY'RE NOT IN YET, THE HOUSE IS STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

THIS IS RELIEF FROM SECTION 8-L FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES FOR AN 11-FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE 40-FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK.

AND IT'S FOR A POOL ENCLOSURE, A SCREENED ENCLOSURE, SO THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW OF SEA GLASS AND YOU KNOW IT'S A VERY NEW NEIGHBORHOOD OUT THERE. THE REDS IS ON A CUL-DE-SAC,, YOU SEE THE REGULAR SHAPED BOUNDARY AND I'LL GO THROUGH THAT IN A MINUTE. THE ZONING IS R ONE B WHICH IS A 40-FOOT THE REAR SOCIETY BACK. AND THIS IS THE HOUSE AND THE POOL SO THIS IS THE ORIENTATION.

YOU SEE THE POOL TRIED TO BE WITHIN THE BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE THERE AS WELL. THIS IS THE BOUNDARY SO IS THAT REALLY HIGHLIGHT THE VARIATIONS SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHTED ON THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR -- YOU KNOW, FOUR DIFFERENT SHAPES WHICH DOESN'T MAKE IT CONVENTIONAL GOING STRAIGHT ACROSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU HOW WE HAD TO NAVIGATE THAT. YO SEE THE BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE MARRIES UP WITH THAT AND THEN OF COURSE THE SCREENED 'EM CLOSURE SO THAT IS THE OUTLINE TO HAVE SCREEN ENCLOSURE CONCEPT. AND THIS IS A CLOSER VIEW SHOWING THE RED THERE HIGHLIGHTED WHICH IS THE 40-FOOT SETBACK LINE AND THEN OF COURSE THE MEASUREMENT STRAIGHT FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINES INTO IS THAT SO IS THAT YELLOW AREA IS HIGHLIGHTING THE 40 FEET. AND HAVE YOU SEE THE ENCROACHMENT THERE. THE AREA IS A RETAINING WALLED THAT BEEN PUT IN SO THIS IS A WETLAND AND I'LL DESCRIBE THAT MORE IN A MINUTE BUT THERE IS A RETAINING WALL THERE AND THERE'S 18 INFORMATION BETWEEN THE SCREEN AREA AND THE FACE OF IF RETAINING WALL. AND THE WETLAND LINE OF THE PROPERTY. THERE IS A WETLANDS A LIFT STATION, A CUL-DE-SAC AND ONE RESIDENT ABUTTING THE PROPERTY AND I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THAT. IT IS THE WETLAND OPENED PRESERVE. NEXT IS THE LIFT STATION HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. HERE'S THE ONLY ABUTTING RESIDENCE TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THE SCREENED ENCLOSURE IS INCHED AWAY INTEREST THE ABUTTING RESIDENCE AND THE ENCLOSURE IS HOA APPROVED RAILROAD AND NOT EXCEEDING HEAT REQUIREMENT. THE HOA APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT ON THE DECISION TODAY FROM THE BOARD.

THE POOL IS ALLOWED IN THE SET BACK, THE MAJORITY OF IT IS WITHIN THE BRL. THE REGULAR AND UNUSUAL LOT SHAPE AND YOU CAN SEE THERE HIGHLIGHTED THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THERE. KIND OF REFRAMED THAT.

SPECIFICALLY THIS IS MORE CONVENTIONAL SHAPE BUCHA THIS REAR PROPERTY LINE IS HUG AND TRAY VERSIONS THE WET LAND LINE. AND THEN RESIDENCE TO THE WEST IS 140 FEET ACROSS THE DEGENERATES WETLAND BUFFER AND SO YOU HAVE 140-FOOT STRETCH AS THE IS SCREEN IS ORIENTED, REALLY TODD TO THE NORTHWEST. PRETTY DEGENERATES VEGETATED BUFFER WHICH IS WETLAND AREA AND PRETTY HIGH TREES IN THAT AREA.

THE SUMMARY THE LOT CREATES A SPECIAL CONDITION SPECIFIC TO THIS PLATTED LOT. THE HOME.

>>> POOL ARE DINED IN HARMONY WITH THE THE SHAPE AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. THE POOL IS A LOT OFFED PAST THE VRL. THE SCREEN IS MEANT TO HELP PROTECT THE POOL AND ITS OCCUPANTS THE SCREEN DOES NOT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE RETAINING WALL.

THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE CODE CAUSE ABOUT DUE SHARD SHIP FOR THE OWNERS TO USE THE REAR YARD AREA IN A COMMUNITY THAT ALLOWS SCREENED POOLS. THE POOL WILL NOT BE A BURDEN ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS OR THE PUBLIC, AND IT IS GENERALLY OBSCURED. AND IT IS SEPARATED BY THE ASSOCIATION'S WETLAND PRESERVE AND A SANITARY LIFT STATION ABUTTING THE PROPERTY. APPROVAL OF THIS VARIANCE REQUEST IS NOT CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST AND WILL NOT SET A PRECEDENT. [INDISCERNIBLE].

THIS IS ABOUT A 40,000-FOOT SCREENED PATIO.

THE NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASED CONGESTION ON STREETS OR NOT A PUBLIC HAZARD, YES. NOT DIMINISH PROPERTY VALUES OR NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND IS IN HARMONY WITH THE LAND.

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YES. LY I WILL GO BACK TO THE -- I ALSO WANTED TO PUT UP HERE -- I'M GOING TO SETTLEMENT IT TO THIS -- SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO REITERATE IS IN CONTEXT WITH THE SCREENED POOL ENCLOSURE, THE RED AREA IS WHERE THE SCREENED ENCLOSURE IS GOING TO BE TIED INTO THE HOUSE AND THE REAR THERE. YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A BALCONY ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND SO THE SCREEN DOES NOT EVEN GO ABOVE THAT. SO WE HAVE SPECIFICATIONS ON THAT SCREEN, THE SCREEN IS ONLY A SINGLE STORY AND IT WILL GO PAST THE BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE, SOME MORE SPECIFICALLY IN THAT CORNER AREA BUT IT IS A SINGLE STORY SCREEN.

THE NEIGHBOR -- IT WILL LOOK LIKE THIS GENERALLY SPEAKING, THIS IS FROM THE COMPANY. THAT'S A [INDISCERNIBLE] ROOF.

THIS IS NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE ON THEIR WEBSITE BUT IT IS A SINGLE STORY AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT DOOR AND A FULL DISCLOSURE, THEY KIM CAME TO US AND SAID CAN WE WORK TOGETHER ON THIS AND ADD SOME MORE LANDSCAPING TO WHERE YOUR SCREEN WILL BE.

THIS IS THEIR TWO STORY THE SCREEN NEXT DOOR.

AND THEY HAVE A CONVENTIONALLY SHAPE LOT AND THE OUTLINE IS WHERE THE HEIGHT OF TWO IT'S SINGLE STORY SCREEN WILL GO THE AND WE HAVE OUR E-MAILS TO OUR LANDSCAPE DESIGNER TO INSTALL ADDITIONAL SCREENING AND BUFFERING THERE WAY DEMONSTRATION TREES TO BE MORE OF A SCREENING THERE FOR THE NEIGHBOR. IT WILL BE AND THIS IS FROM THE ENCLOSURES COMPANY, P WALL HEIGHTS IS 12 FEET, AAPPROXIMATE GNAT CEILING HEIGHT, 9'6" SO IT WILL BE SOMEWHATTABLE OBSCURED AND BLEACHEDDED INTO THE ENVIRONMENT.

BRAD I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK THE BOARD IF THEY VISITED THE SITE.

>> DROVE BY AND DID NOT SPEAK WITH ANYONE.

>> SAME HERE DROVE BY DID NOT SPEAK WITH ANYONE.

>> ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS LET ME WALK THROUGH THE HOUSE.

>> NICE. >> I DID NOT DRIVE BY AND I DID

NOT SPEAK WITH ANYONE. >> I DID NO NOT SPEAK WITH

ANYONE. >> QUESTIONS OR DID OPHITES

COMMENT? >> YES, CHRISTINE VALLIERE I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE SLIDE REGARDING THE CRITERIA BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU'RE CITING TO THE CRITERIA FOR A NON-ZORCHING VARIANCE AND NOT A HARDSHIP VARIANCE.

YOU'RE STILL USING THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA TO CONSIDER THIS

REQUEST. >> AND THIS ONE I WOULD REITERATE FOR THOSE OF YOU VISITED THE SITE, I WANT TO ADD THIS TO IT IT'S A SINGLE STORY SCREEN THAT'S PROPOSED.

YOU WILL NOT SEE IT AS YOU PULL INTO THE CUL-DE-SAC BECAUSE THE LEFT STATION IS THERE AND IT'S HEAVILY BUFFERED WITH VEGETATION. SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT.

THE WAY THE HOUSE IS ORIENTED THIS PART OF THE HOUSE JUTS OUT AND THE POOL IS TIED INTO THAT IN A COURTYARD FASHION AND THE SCREEN WILL SURROUND THAT UP TO 18 INCHES OF THE BULK HEADMENT SO THIS IS THE TWO STORY SCREEN WE SPOKE ABOUT BEFORE ON THE ABUTTING NEIGHBOR AND WE WILL SCREEN THAT WITH ADDITIONAL VEGETATION. SO HERE OR ACROSS THE STREET YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE SCREEN INCLUDING FROM THE MARSH THERE.

>> TONY I'LL START WITH YOU. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I HAVE NEUROSURGEON. >> QUICK QUESTION, BRAD.

HOW MUCH SPACE IS BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE POOL AND THE BULK

HEAD TODAY? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

LET ME GO BACK. SO THE COPING OF THE POOL?

>> YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW -- >> SO THIS IS ABOUT 11-FOOT REFERENCE HERE, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY 14 FEET MAYBE.

>> SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE RIGHT EDGE OF THE POOL, WHAT'S THE -- IT HAS TO BE WHAT; TWO FEET?

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FLEE FEET? >> WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 18 INCHES FROM THE EDGE OF THE SCREEN TO THE FACE OF THE BULK HADE TO LEAVE A WALK IN AREA, AND LANDSCAPING WILL GO THERE BUT WE TRY TO KEEP THE POOL AS MUCH IN THE BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE AS POSSIBLE BUT IT IS ALLOWED TO GO PAST THAT.

>> MY POINT IS THERE'S NO USE FOR THE BACKYARD.

>> THERE IS NOT ONCE YOU GET TO THE BULK HEAD, IT GOES TO A NATURAL EVENTUAL AT A TIMED STATE.

>> SO BETWEEN THE POOL AND WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING, THE BULK HAD HAS

TO BE WHAT, TWO, THREE FEET? >> IF THAT THE.

>> IF THAT I AND YOU HAVE THIS DISRATE EDGE HERE, THIS CURVES BACK AGAIN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND THIS GOES DOWN AND TIES IN SO YOU CAN SEE THE SIDE YARD SET BACKS ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE WHICH ARE NORMAL AND WE GOT AN INTERPRETATION FROM THE COUNTY WHICH IS THE MEASUREMENT OF THE ANGLES OF THE SETBACK.

THIS BUILDING IS REALLY PUT IN AS BEST AS IT CAN SIT AND WHEN YOU ADD WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE AND THE LOT THAT'S CAN YOU FINDER AROUND; YOU CAN SEE THAT VRL IS REALLY THIS CONSTRICTED AND I WOULD SAY 80S PERCENT OF THE POOL IS IN THE BRL, AND AGAIN SCREENS ARE ALLOWED IN IF NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ARE WORKING AS EVIDENCE SHOWS WE'RE WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR AND BE GOOD NEIGHBOR AND SCREEN THAT.

BUT THEY HAVE A TWO STORY SCREEN NEXT DOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR BALCONY WILL LOOK UP AND OVER THAT SCREEN.

>> THANK YOU. >> IS THE WETLANDS LINE ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY LINE ORB IS IT JUST --

>> THE -- FOR THE MOST PART, THE YES.

THERE IS SOME FRINGE IN THERE OF WETLAND ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE BUT THIS IS AN UP LAND BUFFER SO THAT'S ROUGHLY 27 FEET.

>> CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS?

>> I'M? >> THE GRIND?

>> IF GREEN IS THE PROPERTY LINE?

>>IER YES, SIR IT IS. >> AND HAVE YOU WEREN'T ABLE THE PUT THE POOL IN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SET BACK LINE?

>> I'M SORRY, -- >> THE POOL IS -- PART OF THE POOL IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SETBACK LINE.

>> IT IS. >> THAT'S ALLOWED?

>> YES. >> IT IS.

YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE POOL OUTSIDE THE BRL BUT WITHIN A CERTAIN SETBACK TO THE PROPERTY LINE ITSELF.

SCREENS ARE NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT A HORIZONTAL STRUCTURE.

IT'S A VERTICAL STRUCTURE. >> BECAUSE 20 YEARS AGO I GO TURNED DOWN ON THAT. NEVERMIND.

>> UNTIL THIS CASE YOU CAN SEE IT'S MAJORITY TUCKED IN THERE.

THIS WHOLE THING, THE SCREEN AND EVERYTHING IS ORIENTED BACK UP TO THE NORTHWEST BUT AGAIN WORKING THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR THEY CAME TO US AND SAID ABSOLUTELY WE'LL ADD MORE LANDSCAPING, YOU'LL BE A PART OF THAT SO I THINK WE'RE BEING VERY GOOD NEIGHBORS BUT IS THIS ONE, THE LEFT STATION, THE WETLANDS, THE NEIGHBOR, THE CUL-DE-SAC, IS IT IRREGULARLY SHAPED LOT THAT IS OUR HARDSHIP VARIANCE REQUEST AND I ASK IF FOR YOUR

CONSIDERING OF APPROVAL. >> IS IT TEN FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE POOL. I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF

MY HEAD. >> AGAIN, THE PROPERTY LINE IS

HERE -- >> SOMEBODY KNOWS.

>> BRANDON TIRADO; YOU'RE RIGHT IT'S SEVEN AND A HALF.

>> THANK YOU. >> SO WE'RE STILL 29 FEET, 30 FEET ALMOST FROM THE PROPERTY REINERT LINE.

OKAY, I WAS CURIOUS WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS LAID OUT THERE, WAS THERE A WETLAND VARIANCE GRANTED FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. NO THERE'S NO VARIANCES ON THIS PROPERTY. THEY -- THE WAY THEY DESIGNED THIS LAND IS THEY WORKED AROUND THE MAJORITY OF THE WETLANDS THEY COULD IN REPLATING THE LOTS FOR THAT SUBDIVISION BUT I DON'T

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BELIEVE THERE WAS A VARIANCE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PUD AND I DON'T THINK INDIVIDUAL LOTS GOT VARIANCES.

>> IS THERE A SPECIAL CODE FOR LAND THAT SITS AGAINST WET LAND? IS THERE A CERTAIN ZONING CODE

FOR THAT? >> I THINK THERE'S -- THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THERE'S SOMETHING BUT I DON'T RESULT THAT IT WOULD HAVE ANY APPLICATION HERE.

>> YOU KNOW WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN REGULATION NUMBERS AND EVERYTHING. IT SEEMS LIKE WET LANDS WOULD

BE TREATED -- >> THERESA CAN ANSWER.

>> THERE ARE WET LANDS -- WELL COUNTY DOESN'T PERMIT WET LANDS. THOSE HAVE ARE STATE REQUIREMENTS THAT PERMIT RECEIPT LANDS [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> WITH WE DO PAY AREN'T TO THE 25-FOOT REQUIRED SEPARATION FROM THE WET LANDS OR EVEN A BULK HID WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED SO WE STILL NEED THAT DISTANCE WHERE THE LUCK HEAD IS AND THAT'S TO PUTTER DEFINE THE USABLE YARD SPATES AND THE REST OF IT IS NATURAL UNDISTURBED TO THE REST OF THE YEAR YARD AND THE WETLAND AREA, SO THEIR USEABLE YARD WILL BE WHERE THAT SCREEN AREA IS AND

THE BULK HEAD. >> WE HAVE A LOT OF THE VARIANCES IN HERE FOR THE BULK HEADSES THAT GO BACK ALONG -- WERE THOSE FOR HIGHER ELEVATION?

IS THAT WHAT THIS WERE DOING? >> YES.

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING SO YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT COMING

IN FOR A HIGHER ELEVATION. >> NO SIR IT'S JUST A SCREENED STRUCTURE IS THAT GOES PAST THE NORMAL BRL, SO BECAUSE IT'S 30 FEET OFF THE GROUND SO IT'S A STRUCTURE AND IN THE CODE IT SAYS YOU CAN HAVE ACCESS ARE YOU STRUCTURES BUT ANYTHING -- CUP LAS, GAY SEE BOWS YOU HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE BRL BUT IF THAT PROPERTY LINE EXTENDED STRAITS ACROSS, IT WILL BE A DIFFERENT GAME BECAUSE WE CAN PUT OUR SCREEN IN THAT BRL.

>> AND MY LAST QUESTION, GRANTIG A VARIANCE ON A ONE LEVEL SCREEN DOES NOT GIVE THEM THE ALTERNATIVE TO THEM TO PUT IN A SECOND LEVEL SCREENED IN PORCH, IS THAT TRUE?

>> CURRENTLY IT'S SO MUCHING VARIANCE IS JUST TO ALLOW FOR THE SCREENING CLOSURE. HE WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE MAYBE

MAKE THAT CONDITION. >> WELSH I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO SAY THIS BUT I'M NO NOT A FAN OF TWO STORY THE SCREENS SO ILL LIKE TO ADD THE CONDITION THAT THE BOARD CAN

GIVE ME SOME FEEDBACK -- >> LET'S ASK THE APPLICANT WHAT

HIS VIEW IS. >> WELL, WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE FROM A COMPANY THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH SINCE LAST YEAR ON THIS AND IT IS -- AGAIN I'VE RAID IT INTO THE RECORD SO THESE ARE APPROXIMATION HEIGHTS BUT IF WE CAN INCLUDE THIS TO BE THE STANDARD POTENTIALLY FOR THE HEIGHT BUT IT DOES SAY PATROL CAR APPROXIMATE SO I'M HERO TO TESTIFY ON THE RECORD IT IS A SINGLE STORY TO TIE IN UNDERNEATH THE BALCONY AREA SO ILL THINK IF THE THEY WANTED TO COME IN FOR AN SINGLE DIGITS STORY WE WOULD HAVE TO REVISIT THIS.

WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. THERE'S A REASON WHY IT'S A SINGLE STORY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO LOOK OUT TO THE NATURAL AREA

WITHOUT A POOL CAGE. >> AND I GUESS THEY COULD SCREEN

THAT PORCH IN ANYWAYS. >> THEY WOULD IF THEY WANT TO UP TO THE BRL, AND ALL THEY NEED A HOA APPROVAL AND THEY HAVE BUT ALL THE APPROVALS ARE PENDING THE OUTCOME TODAY AND THEY STAKE THAT BOARD DECISION BACK TO THE HOA AND GO OKAY WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IT NOW AND WE'LL WORK WITH IF HOMEOWNER.

SO I THINK IT'S BEEN GOOD MOJO ALL AROUND BUT WE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL BASED ON THE HARDSHIP OF AN IRREGULAR SHAPED LOT.

>> I ONLY HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION AND THAT IS AND THE

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DISTANCE BETWEEN FALLING INTO THE POOL AND THE THE SCREENED IN CLOSURE IT'S ENCLOSURE. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS IN THE COUNTY. IF THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THEN

I'LL JUST. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] OTHER, THE

ONE I SHOWED EARLIER? >> YEAH.

>> HONESTLY I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A REQUIREMENT.

>> THIS SCREEN GOES TO THE COPING POOL EDGE.

>> IT'S ONLY A FOOT AND A HALF. >> THAT ONE IS RIGHT ON THE EDGE IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE THIS HAS A PATH WHERE SOMEBODY COULD BE WALKING AROUND BUT IF IF COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON

THAT THEN JUST SET THAT ASIDE. >> SO THIS IS A GOOD FRAME OF REFERENCE HERE AND THEY DO NEED A VARIANCE WITHIN THE CODE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CONVENTIONAL SHAPED LOT BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND THAT -- AGAIN WE HAVE TO TURN LEFT WE'RE LOOKING AT A TWO STORY SCREEN ANYWAY BUT WE'RE BEING GREAT NEIGHBORS AND I THINK IT'S ALL BEEN GOOD ALL THE WAY AROUND.

>> MEGAN, CLARIFICATION ON THERE WAS A VARIANCE ISSUED FOR THIS DESIRE SUBDIVISION RELATED TO GRADING AND FILL.

THERE WERE A SERIES OF [INDISCERNIBLE] THEY HAD TO FILL WHICH EXCEEDED OUR TILL LIMIT AND ULTIMATELY THEY WANT A TWO FEET FILL PLACED ON THAT ENTIRE SUBDIVISION, SO THERE WAS A VARIANCE REPRESENTED TO THIS SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY [INDISCERNIBLE] ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

DO I HEAR A MOTION? >> FOR THE RECORD THERE'S NO ONE

ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE. >> I DON'T SEE ANYONE, I JUST

MOVE RIGHT ON. >> THERE'S ONE PERSON.

>> HERE'S AN APPLICANT. >> HE'S MY GC.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PVDAR 23 OREGON SATE THE VARIANCE BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AND SURVIVE CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED THIS THE STAFF REPORT.

[Staff Report]

>> DO I HEAR A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> . >> OKAY.

IS IT VARIANCE IS APPROVED. THANKS, BRAD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. OUT OF HERE WITHIN AN HOUR.

THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. >> YEAH.

WE HAVE ONE OTHER THING. I GAVE A SHEET OF PAPER FOR EVERYONE TO LOOK AT THAT IS CONTAINS THE LANGUAGE IN THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING MANUAL ON THE REZONING OF LAND.

AND SINCE THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT IS COMING BEFORE US IS REZONING OF LAND, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING FOR US TO QUICKLY LOOK AT THESE PARAGRAPHS AND IN PARTICULAR, THE ONE I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WITH STAFF AND OUR ATTORNEY WAS THE METHODOLOGY BY WHICH THE OUR BOARD WOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND FINDINGS TO THE BOARD OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS T.

AND I WAS WONDERING IF CHRISTINE WOULD WEIGH IN ON THAT.

TYPICALLY IN THE PASSION IT'S BEEN A MORE INFORMAL PROCESS WHERE SOMETIME SOMEBODY HAS A ONE-ON-ONE MEETING AND BUT THAT

HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE. >> SURE.

YOU'LL NOTICE IN ALL YOUR CENTRAL FLORIDA REPORTS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A REQUEST IT'S SECTION WITH SUGGEST FINDINGS.

I'M LOOKING AT THE ONE FOR THE CANCEL ALREADY VARIANCE.

TYPICALLY YOU DON'T HAVE SUNNY CHANGES TO WHAT STAFF IS SUGGESTING BUT CERTAINLY THERE CAN BE.

SO THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE MOTIONS THAT IS PROPOSED, THAT IF THERE ARE IN ADDITION TO THE FINDINGS PROPOSED BY STAFF THE BOARD WANTS TO MAKE ADDITIONAL FINDINGS THEN THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE MOTION.

>> WELL, WITH -- WILL THERE BE THAT SAME LANGUAGE WITH THE

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PUD? >> YES.

>> SO IF ANYBODY ANYONE ON THE BOARD WARRANTED TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT, WOULD WE COLLECT IT AT THE END OF THE PUD HEARING AND

END IT TO YOU. >> IT WOULD BE PART OF THE MOTION FOR THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE REE-SOB '07ING SO IT WOULD BE STATED ON THE RECORD THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL FINDING AND THAT WOULD BE A CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD SO IS

THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE VOTED ON. >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> SO I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.

>> IF YOU READ THE ITEM NUMBER H, PAGE 67, THE FOUR PLANNED

[Board Report]

UNITS, WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO WE CAN EXPAND [INDISCERNIBLE] ALL RIGHT.

SO I GUESS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY IDEAS OR THOUGHTS THAT IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE THEM BECOME PART OF THE RECORD YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT AT THE MEETING, A MOTION. ANY OTHER BUSINESS ANYBODY HAS WITH RESPECTED TO THIS? I HAVE ONLY ONE ANNOUNCEMENT.

I KNOW THAT JOHN AND I ARE, OUR CURRENT TERMS EXPIRE IN THE

MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] SEPTEMBER 17

FOR ME. >> NOT THAT HERE'S COUNTING.

>> JOHN HAS SERVED TWO FULL TERMS. I SERVED ONE AND -- SO I'M ELIGIBLE FOR ANOTHER TERM AND AT THAT SEPTEMBER MEETING WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE NOMINATIONS FOR

GUNSHOT. >> SURE.

GROWTH MANAGEMENT WILL COORDINATE WITH THE COMMISSION OFFICE TO ADVERTISE FOR THOSE SAY CAN SISES SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT DATE THEY'LL BE BROUGHT BACK, AND IF THEY'VE -- THAT IF THAT YARD AND CURRENTLY OUT, BUT THEY CAN CERTAINLY CHECK ON THAT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE THE ADD THAT THERE IS LANGUAGE REGARDING THE MEMBERSHIP TERMS THAT THE MEMBER CAN CARRY OVER THEIR TERM WHILE A NEW REPLACEMENT IS CONFIRMED THE THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO THAT. SO THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION TO MAINTAIN THAT CONSISTENCY FOR ITEMS --

>> IS THAT IN THE QUEUE RIGHT NOW?

DO WE HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS? >> THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION.

>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE I'M UNFAMILIAR, I'LL DOUBLE-CHECK WITH OUR COMMISSIONER STAFF TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY.

>> [INDISCERNIBLE] IT APPEARS I AM.

>> IT APPEARS HE IS. >> AND THERE MAY BE A PRECEDENT SET FOR SOMEBODY SERVE TWO YEARS AND COMING BACK ON THE BOARD BUT WE HAVE YET TO FIGURE OUT HE HOW HE DID IT.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HARRY GREEN? THERE WERE SEVERAL YEARS BETWEEN THOSE APPOINTMENTS.

I CAN SEE -- IN THE NORTH COASTAL DESIGN REVIEW BOARD IT DOES SAY AFTER TWO YEARS THERE CAN BE REAPPLICATION BUT THERE'S NO SPECIFIC LANGUAGE RASHING THE MEMBERSHIP.

>> AND I HAVE HADE SAID THAT I WILL CONTINUE TO HELP YOU OUT UNTIL WHY FIND SOMEBODY TO REPLACE ME BUT I'M OUT OF OUT OF

TOWN THE OCTOBER MEETING. >> SO FOR MEGAN'S SITUATION ARE WE ABLE TO VOTE TO ALLOW HER FOR FOR TWO MORE YEARS OR FOUR MORE

YEARS OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> SHE WILL REAPPLY -- I THINK YOU SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION, SO

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