Jun 05, 2023 Ponte Vedra Zoning and Adjustment Board

[Call meeting to order]

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>> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER, THE PONTEVEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD MEETING OF JUNE 5. PLEASE TAND AND SAY

THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. JOHN, CAN WE HAVE A READING OF

THE PUBLIC NOTICE? >> YES YOU MAY.

THIS IS A PUBLIC NOTICE PROPERLY PUBLIC NOTICE HEARING AND CONCURRENCE WITH IN PACCORDANCE OF THE LAW.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS IN THE BOARD AREA OF YOUR STATION AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENTS. AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING IND RIGHT ENTERING A SPEAKER CARD. A SPEAKER MAY BE HEARD ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. THE SPEAKER CARDS WILL BE TURNED INTO STAFF. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING, ON EACH ITEM WHEN IT IS DOES MADE BY THE CHAIR WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES.

THE SPEAKER SHALL IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND STATE NAME FOR THE RECORD. THEY MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY OF NOTS WHEN THEY MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD IN THE INTEREST OF THEIR TESTIMONY. THE PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO MATTERS CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SAID PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS AND THEY NEED TO ENSURE VERBATIM RECORD, WHICH INCLUDES TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE ON WHICH APPEAL IS BASED.

ANY PHYSICAL DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS AND WRITTEN STATEMENTS WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF.

AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE BOARD OR THE COUNTY AND THE APPEAL.

THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM, THAT THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAVE HAD ANY INTERACTION OUTSIDE OF THE HEARING. IF SUCH COMMUNICATIONS OCCURRED, THE BOARD MEMBERS SHALL IDENTIFY THE PERSON AND THE MATERIAL OF THEIR COMMUNICATIONS.

[Approval of meeting minutes for PVZAB 4/4/2022 and 5/2/2022 ]

ANY PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> THANK YOU JOHN.

TODAY, WE HAVE FOUR MEMBERS OF THE PONTE VEDRA BOARD PRESENT.

THEREFORE, IN ORDER FOR OFFICIAL ACTION TO BE TAKEN, ALL FOUR MEMBERS WILL NEED TO VOTE IN UNISON.

WE ALSO HAVE RECEIVED THE MEETING MINUTES FOR THE PVZAB MEETINGS FOR 4/4/2022 AND 5/2/2022

[1. PVZAR 2023-05 706 Ponte Vedra Blvd.. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.N.2 of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations to construct a new ten (10) foot high retaining wall, located one and a half feet from the existing retaining wall, in lieu of the required four (4) foot maximum height and forty (40) foot separation between retaining walls.]

>> NONE. >> NONE.

>> NO. >> THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS TODAY ON ANY TOPIC OTHER THAN THE SCHEDULED AGENDA ITEMS? SEEING NONE, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, A REQUEST FOR ZONING VARIANCE TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TEN (10) FOOT HIGH RETAINING WALL, LOCATED ONE -AND-A-HALF FEET FROM THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL, IN LIEU OF THE REQUIRED FOUR (4) FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND FORTY (40) FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN RETAINING WALLS. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS IF THEY HAVE VISITED THE SITE OR HAD ANY

CONVERSATIONS. >> I HAVE BEEN IN THE HOUSE SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS.

I DID NOT CHAT WITH ANYONE ABOUT THIS.

>> I VISITED THE SITE AND THE RESIDENT WAS NOT PRESENT, I

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JUST LOOKED AT THE SITE. >> I VISITED THE SITE, I DID NOT SPEAK WITH ANYONE. I DID NOT VISIT THE SITE.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> I AM BRIAN SPAHR, 424 -- JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA 32225. WE ARE READY WENT THROUGH WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. THOSE CAN SEE THAT THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, HAS AN EIGHT FOOT WALL JOINING WITH THAT.

SAME EVERYTHING. THE REASON FOR THE VARIANCE, IS EXCESSIVE SLOPE IN THE BACKYARD.

IT IS ACTUALLY MORE THAN WHAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED FOR POND BANKS OR SIDEWALK SLOPES. SOME DAMAGE, EROSION.

THE EXISTING WALL IS GETTING READY TO FALL IN SO WE ARE REPLACING THAT. WE JUST WANT TO MATCH THE NEIGHBORS GRADE. THIS IS THE PLAN.

I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE SEEN IT. DIDN'T COME IN VERY WELL.

AS YOU ALREADY KNOW, I'VE BEEN HERE A FEW TIMES.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT IN THIS AREA, ON THE WEST SIDE OF PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD, THAT'S BECAUSE OF A REALLY DRAMATIC SLOPE AND SPACE BETWEEN PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD AND THE SWAMP.

ALL NINE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, TO THE SEA WALK DRIVE HAVE ALL HAD -- CONSTRUCTED. ONE OWNER THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE AFFECTED BY THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS TO THE SOUTH. I HAVE WRITTEN A LETTER IN SUPPORT. THEY HAVE MAJOR DRAINAGE ISSUES, WE THINK THIS WOULD PROBABLY HELP THE DRAINS AND HOURS OF THE PROPERTY SO IT IS NOW NOT GOING TO DRAIN ONTO THEIR PROPERTY. THERE IS A PICTURE TO THE NORTH AGAIN, WE WON'T BE GOING HIGHER THAN THAT IT WILL BE MATCHING UP EXACTLY THAT GRADE. THERE ARE SOME MORE PICTURES IN THE BACKYARD. YOU CAN SEE THE EXTREME SLOPE.

REALLY NOT MUCH USE IN THESE BACKYARDS.

THERE IS EXISTING RETAINER WALL, CAVING IN.

AND THAT IS IT! I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> OKAY. YOU ESSENTIALLY, TYING INTO THE

WALL TO THE NORTH THEN? >> YES SIR.

>> SO YOUR LINE IS A WILL TO THE NORTH THROUGH THE HOUSE TO THE SOUTH DOES NOT FAVOR RETAINING WALL?

>> THEY DO, BUT THEIR PROPERTY IS SET A LITTLE LOWER.

THEY DO HAVE A RETAINING WALL. THERE IS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT THE COUNTY HAS DONE A BUNCH OF WORK ON.

THEY DID PUT IN A NEW STORM DRAIN THERE, AND NOW THERE'S A BUNCH OF RIPRAP JUST TO THE SOUTH.

>> THERE IS A LITTLE ZIGZAG ON THE DRAWING.

GO BACK TO THE DRAWING. >> OKAY.

>> IT IS NOT STRAIGHT. ANY REASON FOR THAT?

>> THAT IS THE WAY THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL GOES.

>> OKAY. >> THE DP FOR BULKHEAD REPLACEMENT WILL ONLY DISCOVER 4 1/2 FROM THE OLD ONE.

SO THAT'S WHY. >> AND YOU ARE STICKING WITHIN

THAT FOOT AND 1/2. >> YES.

>> NOT EXPENDING BACKYARD? >> NO, SIR.

>> OKAY, TAKE YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'M SORRY.

I KNOW THERE'S NO PUBLIC. THEY WERE NOT HERE BEFORE.

IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PVZAR 2023-05 706, PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACT AND FIVE CONDITIONS AS

LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> OKAY, WE WILL WAIT A FEW SECONDS.

OKAY, YOU CAN VOTE NOW. IT IS UNANIMOUS.

[2. PVZAR 2023-06 826 Ponte Vedra Blvd. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.N.2 of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations to construct a new ten (10) foot high retaining wall, located one and a half feet from the existing retaining wall, in lieu of the required four (4) foot maximum height and forty (40) foot separation between retaining walls.]

THE VARIANCE IS APPROVED. >> THANK YOU.

I WILL STAY UP HERE BECAUSE I'M NEXT.

[LAUGHTER] >> I HAD THAT FEELING.

>> THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE OF THE APPLICANTS.

>> WE ALSO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS RECORDED AND TELEVISED.

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WE WILL MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF DECORUM HERE.

THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A REQUEST FOR ZONING VARIANCE TO SECTION VIII.N.2 OF THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TEN (10) FOOT HIGH RETAINING WALL, LOCATED ONE -AND-A-HALF FEET FROM THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL, IN LIEU OF THE REQUIRED FOUR (4) FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND FORTY (40) FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN RETAINING WALLS. HAS ANYONE VISITED THE SITE?

>> UNFAMILIAR IT IS ALSO IN MY BACKYARD.

>> SO YOU DID THIS. >> I DROVE PAST.

AND I DID NOT CHAT WITH ANYONE. >> I DID VISIT THE SITE AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER.

>> I DID NOT VISIT THE SITE. I DID NOT VISIT THE SITE.

>> WE ARE READY FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

BRIAN SPAHR, JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA.

WE WENT THROUGH WHAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH.

WHAT WE ARE APPLYING FOR. THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE VISITED THE SITE, HAVE SEEN THE EXTREME SLOPE DOWN TO THE SWAMP AND BACKYARD. THE NARROW DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND THE WALL. OR THE PROPOSED WALL.

AGAIN, THEY HAVE, EXPERIENCING EROSION PROBLEMS, DRAINAGE, WATER, A GOOD AMOUNT OF WATER WHEN IT REALLY RAINS.

COMES FLYING DOWN THE DRIVEWAY. THE OCEAN ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD AND PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD ITSELF.

THE APPLICANTS DRIVEWAY, AND OVER THAT SLOPE, IS CAUSING EROSION. THE SLOPE IS SLOWLY EATING AWAY. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

WE WON'T BE TYING INTO ANYBODY. TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED, OF THE APPLICANTS PROPERTY, IS AN ENTRANCE I THINK TO THE GOLF CLUB. THERE IS NO HOME TO THE SOUTH.

TO THE NORTH, IS MR. DUKE, I THINK HIS NAME IS.

HE WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THIS WALL.

AND HE HAS WRITTEN A LETTER IN SUPPORT.

THERE IS A LETTER RIGHT HERE. HERE ARE SOME PICTURES YOU CAN SEE. THERE IS EXISTING RETAINING WALL AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY.

YOU CAN SAY IT'S JUST TO GET ONLINE WITH THAT.HERE ARE SOME OTHER EROSION ISSUES. THERE ALSO THAT IS IT.

IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> OF COURSE! DO YOU HAVE THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH THAT YOU CAN SHOW US OF THE TWO LOTS, LOT TO THE

NORTH AND -- >> I DON'T.

DO YOU HAVE ANY? I DON'T HAVE ANY.

IT IS PART OF THE PACKAGE. >> YEAH.

ANYWAY WE CAN PUT THIS UP? MY QUESTION IS, THE RETAINING WALL YOU'RE PROPOSING. YOU'RE ACTUALLY EXPANDING YOUR BACKYARD. YOUR EFFECTIVELY EXPANDING THE BACKYARD. AND THE HOUSE TO THE NORTH, IT SHOWS IN THIS PICTURE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS A RETAINING WALL. DO YOU KNOW IF IT DOES OR DOES

NOT? >> IT DOES.

>> OKAY. IT IS A LITTLE BLURRY.

IT LOOKS LIKE, TRYING TO IMPOSE YOUR DRAWING ON TOP OF THIS DRAWING. LOOKS LIKE YOUR RETAINING WALL

IS NOT GOING OUT AS FAR. >> NO.

WE HAD, I HAD TO DELAY -- DEP WOULD NOT APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OUR BULKHEAD IS GOING --

>> OKAY. WHAT TYPE OF BULKHEAD SYSTEM

ARE YOU USING HERE? >> WHAT TYPE OF WORK, I'M SORRY?> WHAT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THE BULKHEAD?

>> I THINK WE ARE DOING FINAL? YES, VINYL.

>> OKAY VINYL. THAT IS ALL OF MY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. >> AND I DON'T THINK THE PROPERTY GOES AS FAR BACK TO THE NORTH.

>> I WAS GOING TO CHECK. >> MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY. YOU ARE NOT IMPACTING ANY WETLANDS. YOU PUT IT RIGHT ONLINE SO, YOU WOULD EXPAND THE ART SO MUCH, AS YOUR RAISING UP THE BACKYARD EFFECTIVELY. WE ARE NOT CREATING ANY NEW LAND. WE ARE JUST ALLOWING THEM TO

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USE THE YARD. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT THAT I MADE TO THE OWNER.

THE BACK OF THE HOME IN THE AREA THAT IS GOING TO BE ELEVATED, THERE ARE SOME TREES. SOME OAK TREES.

I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, AS A LET HIM KNOW THAT, IF YOU ARE GOING TO ADVERSELY AFFECT THE TREES, YOU NEED TO GET A

TREE PERMIT. >> YES, AFTER THIS PROCESS, THEY WILL HAVE TO GET THEIR BUILDING PERMIT AND I WILL BE PART OF THE REVIEW. AND THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE A TREE SURVEY. THEIR GOAL IS NOT, IS TO SAVE

AS MANY TREES. >> I UNDERSTAND, BUT I JUST DIDN'T WANT THEM TO RUN AFOUL OF THE REGULATIONS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW, THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT I WOULD TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LET YOU KNOW. BECAUSE THAT LANGUAGE WAS ADDED

TO OUR CODE A FEW YEARS AGO. >> YES MA'AM.

>> OKAY. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, DO I HEAR A MOTION?

>> WANT ME TO DO IT? >> IT IS YOUR TURN.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PVZAR 2023-06 826 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD, REQUESTING VARIANCE FOR SECTION 8.N.2 OF PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW 10 FOOT HIGH RETAINING WALL IN LIEU OF REQUIRED FOUR FOOT

[3. Recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners for Ponte Vedra Zoning and Adjustment Board (PVZAB) Member Appointments. Ms. Cynthia Ware was appointed to the PVZAB on March 7, 2023 and declined her appointment on March 30 2023, leaving the PVZAB with a vacancy. This vacancy was advertised for the required thirty (30) days with the following applications meeting the minimum criteria for consideration. PVZAB members serve at the pleasure of the Board of County Commissioners as the local planning agency for St. Johns County for the Ponte Vedra Zoning District and fulfill any other duties and responsibilities as determined by Part 8.01.00. The County received five applications to consider; however, after review by staff it was determined that only two of the potential candidates resided within the Ponte Vedra Zoning District. Those two applications are; Anthony Peduto (District4) and Pam Shore (District 4). These two applications are included in this agenda package for your consideration and recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners.]

AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> ANYONE CAN VOTE NOW. IT IS UNANIMOUS, YOUR VARIANCE

HAS BEEN APPROVED. >> THANK YOU.'ALL HAVE A

GREAT DAY.> THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, IS APPOINTMENT OF A ADDITIONAL MEMBER TO OUR ZONING BOARD.

MS. CYNTHIA WARE WAS APPOINTED TO THE PVZAB ON MARCH 7, 2023 AND DECLINED HER APPOINTMENT. GIVE OPPORTUNITY TO CALL BOTH APPLICANTS INVITED TO ATTEND A MEETING IF THEY DESIRED, TO MAKE COMMENTS. I DID LEARN THAT PAM SHORE IS UNABLE TO JOIN OUR BOARD. WE ARE LEFT WITH ONE APPLICANT, ANTHONY -- AND I TALKED TO HIM, HE IS STILL AVAILABLE.

I DO NOT KNOW IF ANYONE HAS COMMENTS REGARDING THE APPLICANT. SO, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPOINTMENT OF ANTHONY.

DO I HEAR A MOTION? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ANTHONY -- TO THE PONTEVEDRA BEACH ZONING AND

VARIANCE BOARD. >> FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM.

>> IS GOING TO ASK OF HIS THREE OR FOUR.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

OKAY. OKAY THAT IS A UNANIMOUS APPROVAL OF THE APPOINTMENT OF ANTHONY -- TO THE ZONING BOARD.

>> IT STILL HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD.

>> YES. THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION AND THERE WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION LETTER.

[Board Report]

>> OKAY. >> AS WAS ALL OF THE VARIANCES AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE DO. I WAS LOOKING AT --

>> MAYBE REFRESH YOU. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION AMONGST BOARD NUMBERS AND STAFF, ABOUT THE POTENTIAL ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS RELATED TO THE EDUCATION OF

PUDS. >> THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS.

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I WAS WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT THE OTHER BOARD, HOW THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS FEEL ABOUT THAT, AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY FEEL LIKE WE COULD BENEFIT. WHETHER WE COULD HAVE A WORKSHOP WHERE STAFF TALKS TO ALL OF US AT ONCE.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC NOTICED MEETING, AT THE LIBRARY. AND SO, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HEAR SOME COMMENTS FROM MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.

>> MY THOUGHT ON THIS, IS THAT IF WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING, THE PUBLIC MIGHT ATTEND. [LAUGHTER] AND THIS IS AN EDUCATIONAL FORUM FOR US, TO LEARN ABOUT PUDS, NOT THEIR POTENTIAL PUD THAT MAY COME BEFORE US FOR APPROVAL. OR IS IT?

>> IT IS. THE INTENT OF THIS, IS TO MIMIC WHAT STAFF DOES TO PREPARE INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS, FOR A

PARTICULAR AGENDA. >> OKAY.

>> WE WOULD SPECIFICALLY TALK OVER THE APPLICATION FOR THE PONTE VEDRA INN INDIVIDUALLY. SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE IN A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU HAVE A GOOD FOOTING, TO ASK QUESTIONS AND ACCEPT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. ONE THING I WANT TO IMPRESS UPON YOU, THIS IS A QUASIJUDICIAL PROCESS.

THIS APPLICATION. IT HAS TO BE TREATED IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESSES, IT IS NOT REALLY FEASIBLE TO HAVE A SEPARATE WORKSHOP, JUST TO TALK ABOUT THIS APPLICATION. I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT THAT IF FOR SOME REASON THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE APPLICATION, THERE ARE OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS NEEDED, THERE IS ALWAYS THE OPTION TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATION TO ANOTHER MEETING. YOU HAVE THE OPTION FOR ANY APPLICATION THAT COMES BEFORE YOU.

BUT IT IS SIMPLY NOT PART OF THE QUASIJUDICIAL PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS TO REQUIRE A WORKSHOP, TO DISCUSS THE

APPLICATION. >> I WASN'T THINKING THAT WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS THE APPLICATION AS MUCH AS THAT WE WOULD BE EDUCATED ON THE LANGUAGE, THE TERMINOLOGY, WHATEVER YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO KNOW, THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY KNOW. AND WITH RESPECT TO HAVING IT BE PUBLIC, I WOULD THINK WE COULD HAVE A WORKSHOP WHERE THE GROUND RULES ARE THAT PEOPLE CAN CALM, AND THEY CAN LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATION, BUT IT IS NOT YOU KNOW, A WORKSHOP FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE EDUCATED. BUT IF THEY WANT TO COME AND LISTEN TO OUR CONVERSATION AND BE EDUCATED, THAT'S FINE.

AND I JUST THINK, I DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COME DURING THE DAY BECAUSE TYPICALLY, THAT IS NOT A TIME WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE AVAILABLE TO COME AND HAVE A CONVERSATION. AND IT WOULD BE ALSO, GENEROUS IN OUR PART, TO ALLOW THE COMMUNITY, TO BECOME MORE EDUCATED. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT APPLICANT DID MAKE A PRESENTATION AT THE LAST MSD MEETING, AND I THINK THAT WENT WELL. AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, THE MORE TIMES YOU HEAR INFORMATION, THE BETTER YOU CAN GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT EVERYTHING IS ALL ABOUT.

ECAUSE THE TERMINOLOGY AND VOCABULARY THAT IS USED, ISN'T SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE USE IN THEIR EVERYDAY CONVERSATIONS.

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QUESTIONS THAT? >> YES.

>> A FEW MONTHS AGO AT THE END OF A PVZAB MEETING, WE HANDED OUT THE FORMAT, THE TEMPLATE FOR A PUD MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND KIND OF WALKED THROUGH THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO GO OVER AGAIN? I JUST WANT TO BE AS RESPONSIVE

TO WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE. >> I'M GOING TO TURN TO MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS AND BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THAT AND IT

WAS VERY LEGALESE TO ME. >> RIGHT.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY TEASED OUT THE ESSENCE OF THE STORY, OF THE PUD. WE'VE HAD PUDS COME BEFORE US IN THE PAST, AND THE -- PROJECT WAS THE ONE MOST RECENTLY.

AND IT SEEMED TO BE BASICALLY, A ACCUMULATION OF VARIANCES THAT -- VERSUS THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROJECT.

WITH THE STORAGE FACILITY THAT WAS IN A PUD AND THEY JUST ASKED FOR THE VARIANCES. SO, I'M NOT WELL ENOUGH INFORMED TO UNDERSTAND THE MAIN REASON TO ASK FOR THE PUD, OTHER THAN WHAT THE, AT THE MSD MEETING, WHAT WAS COMMENTED ON BY THE COUNCIL FOR THE PONTE VEDRA CLUB, IS THAT IT WOULD AVOID HAVING TO GO BACK TO THE PVZAB IN THE FUTURE, FOR VARIANCES, IF THE WHOLE PROJECT EXTENDS OVER LET'S SAY, 20 YEARS OR 30 YEARS AND THE VARIANCE ONLY LAST TWO YEARS.

TO ME, THAT WAS THE ONE POINT THAT THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE GOTTEN THE WHOLE ESSENCE OF WHY PUD VERSUS JUST ASKING FOR A

VARIANCE. >> I WILL JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT. SPECIFICALLY, I THINK, TO THE POINT OF UNDERSTANDING PUDS HIS GREAT AUNT TERMINOLOGY AND SO FORTH, AND REVIEWING THE PLAN AGAIN.

I THINK IT IS PART AND PARCEL TO THE OVERALL PROJECT IF WE ARE NOT APPLYING WHAT WE LEARNED, TO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. I THINK IT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF, I THINK YOU HAVE TO APPLY THE TERMINOLOGY AND HOW A PUD WORKS AND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING

TOGETHER. >> TO HAVE SOME CONTEXT.

>> CORRECT. >> WHICH IS WHAT I THINK WE

SAID AT THE WORKSHOP. >> BUT THAT WAS A ONE-ON-ONE MEETING. AND TO HAVE A GROUP MEETING IN THAT SAME ENVIRONMENT, AS A PUBLIC MEETING?

>> YES.OU WILL BE HAVING THAT MEETING.

>> HERE. >> I'M JUST SAYING, I GUESS THE WEEK OF JULY 17, THERE WAS GOING TO BE ONE-ON-ONE.

>> RIGHT INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS, TO LOOK AT THE PUD TEMPLATE AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND KIND OF, GO THROUGH THAT STEP-BY-STEP SO YOU CAN HAVE YOU KNOW, YOUR FRAMEWORK, YOUR CONTEXT AND SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FULL BOARD. AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO.

>> ONE-ON-ONE? >> WELL.

IT DOESN'T MATTER! I THINK HAVING A PUD DISCUSSION AND BEING INFORMED HOW IT WORKS, ALONG WITH WHAT THE REQUEST IS FIRM THE VARIANCES AND APPLY THEM TOGETHER, HAVING QUESTIONS. PROBABLY MORE BENEFICIAL TO ME PERSONALLY. HAS IT BEEN AN AGENDA ITEM FOR

A DATE SET FOR THE MEETING YET? >> NO, THE RECENTLY SUBMITTED THEIR SECOND REVISED APPLICATION, I THINK IT IS STILL IN THE COMMENTING PHASE WITH STAFF.

I THINK THEY ARE SHOOTING TO HAVE A HEARING MAYBE IN AUGUST

OR SEPTEMBER. >> AT THIS MOMENT, IT HASN'T RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR THAT BUT IT SHOULD BE THERE SHOOTING FOR

AUGUST. >> THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT JULY WE WOULD HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY. GO THROUGH THAT AND PREPPIE FOR

THE HEARING. >> PERSONALLY, I LIKE THE ONE ON ONE FORMAT. I GET YOUR QUESTION ABOUT OTHER IDEAS THAT OTHER BOARD MEMBER IS MAY HAVE.

BUT I THINK IT ALLOWS FOR A LITTLE MORE FLUID CONVERSATION AND A LITTLE MORE UNDERSTANDING FROM THE APPLICANT.

WHAT I'VE SEEN HAPPEN WITH PUBLIC FORUMS, IS THAT THINGS

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>> THIS WOULDN'T BE THE APPLICANT, THIS WOULD BE STAFF.

>> RIGHT. >> THE ONE ON ONE EXCITED ME FOR THAT, TO TALK ABOUT IN CONTEXT.

BUT CERTAINLY, I THINK WE COULD, COULD WE HOLD A TEACHING WORKSHOP. BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN SET, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IN ADDITION TO THIS, NOT RELATED TO THIS PROJECT, JUST A PUD TEACHING.

SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO ATTRACT PEOPLE WHO MAY BE SUPPORT OR OPPOSE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.UT THIS IS WHAT PUDS ARE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, MIGHT BE OF VALUE TO EVERYONE IN PONTE VEDRA. ESPECIALLY NOT OUR PARTICULAR RESPONSIBILITY BUT IT AFFECTS PONTE VEDRA.

>> I AM LEANING TOWARD, JUST AFRAID THAT IF THE PUBLIC IS THERE, AND IF WE TELL THEM THEY CANNOT HAVE COMMENTS, THEY COULD BE REVOKED. I THINK YOU HAVE A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE, MOST UNHAPPY TO BEGIN WITH.

I THINK I'D GO BACK TO THE ONE-ON-ONE MEETING.

I'VE CHANGED MY MIND. >> I DID ASK RICH WHAT HE PREFERRED. HE DID PREFER A GROUP MEETING.

I DIDN'T ASK JAMES. IF I CONTACT THEM AND SEE WHAT

THEY WOULD PREFER? >> IF I MAY.

THAT COULD BE A CONVERSATION IN A PUBLIC MEETING.

>> CAN WE HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING AND NOT ALLOW THEM TO HAVE TIME

FOR COMMENTS? >> WELL, FOR A WORKSHOP, WHAT I WAS THINKING OF, WHAT WE DID IN THE PAST WITH THE LAST ONE THAT I THINK YOU WERE, I THINK IT WAS THE BIG FENCE ISSUE.

THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DONE THEN, WAS COLLECTING QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE. AND WE PUT THEM IN PILES.

BECAUSE YOU COULD KIND OF READ THROUGH THAT SAME QUESTION.

MAYBE THERE WAS 10 PEOPLE ASKED THE QUESTION.

AND SO, WE BUNDLED THEM UP AND JACOB SORT OF, MADE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THAT AND ASKED THE PRESENTER.

AND THEN WE BUNDLED A BUNCH OF OTHER TOGETHER.

I AM JUST THINKING THAT BECAUSE WHENEVER, BECAUSE IT REQUIRES SUCH A YOU KNOW, OR OF AN EFFORT FOR PEOPLE TO DRIVE DOWN HERE TO ATTEND OUR MEETINGS, THAT WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE, TO ALLOW PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED, TO COME. THAT'S THE -- I'M NOT AFRAID OF HAVING THE COMMUNITY PARTICIPATE, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN MANAGE YOU KNOW, OUR FELLOW RESIDENTS.

>> OUSTED WITH THE ONE-ON-ONE MEETING.

I THINK IF THE GOAL IS TO HAVE STAFF EDUCATING US ABOUT THE ACTUAL PUD APPLICATION, I DON'T THINK IT WILL WORK.

I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND HAVE SOMEONE QUOTE ME LATER ON ABOUT THAT I AM A PONTE VEDRA FAN OR NOT.

SO, I PREFER ONE-ON-ONE. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL LEAVE IT AT ONE-ON-ONE THEN.

THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT IS THAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HAVING A WORKSHOP AT AN UPCOMING MEETING, AND WE COULD FIT IN BASED ON HOW MUCH WE HAVE,

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LAST MEETING. >> THAT WAS SCIENCE AND CONSTRUCTION FENCES AND CONSTRUCTION SIGNS.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> WE WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE ADDITION TO SOME HOMES IN THE ZONING DISTRICT OF A LARGER ENTERTAINMENT SPACE ON THE ROOF, AND THERE ARE SOME ROOF DUCTS THAT HAVE ACCESS, PORTIONS OF THE HOUSE WHICH ARE PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE ROOF. WHICH HAVE WHAT I CALL, SUPPORT IN THEM, IS THAT ONE THIRD STORY? WHAT EXACTLY IS IT? IT DOESN'T COVER THE WHOLE HOUSE, THERE IS ONE ON THE GOLF COURSE THAT PEOPLE COMMENT ON.

OFTEN TO ME. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON THE BEACH, THAT NOW HAS AN ENTERTAINMENT SPACE LOOKS LIKE.

THEY ARE ALL LOVELY, BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT A THIRD

STORY, WE NEED TO CLARIFY. >> WHAT IS ALLOWED?

>> WHAT'S ALLOWED. WE CAN WORK ON THAT LIST.

IF ANYONE HAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT

OR COMMENT ON, SEND IT TO ME. >> JUST INFORMATION FOR THE BOARD. CURRENTLY, AS WE KNOW, JULY, THE MEETING, WE DECIDED TO CANCEL THAT MEETING IN AUGUST.

AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, WE HAVE ONE ZONING VARIANCE AND A PUD ANTICIPATED TO BE ON THAT MEETING.

>> IF WE TEED THAT UP IN CASE THEY PUSH THE PUD TO SEPTEMBER,

WE COULD TEE LET UP. >> IS NOT QUITE SET IN STONE.

IT IS LISTED HERE, AND WE DO HAVE, FOR THE PUD, THEY HAVE TO GO TO PVARC FOR APPROVAL, THIS BOARD AND ALSO, THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. BECAUSE THERE ARE PORTIONS THAT ARE IN CONFLICT WITH BETTER TERM, NORMAL ZONING.

NOT WITHIN PONTE VEDRA. AND ALSO, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THEY HAVE ANTICIPATED DATES FOR ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. I WOULD IMAGINE THEY WANT TO STICK TO THIS SCHEDULE. HOWEVER, AGAIN IT IS NOT SET IN

STONE. >> THEY COME TO -- WHAT ORDER IS THAT? DO THEY COME TO US BEFORE PCA?

>> YES THEY WILL GO JUST AS I MENTIONED, IN THE SAME ORDER WOULD BE PVARC, THIS BOARD THEN PCA AND THE AGENDA PREP, THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE INTERNALLY, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO GO TO THE 17TH, AUGUST 17 FOR PCA.

THEN OTHERS IN SEPTEMBER. >> AUGUST 7.

>> CORRECT THAT IS THIS MEETING BUT THEN PCA WOULD WANT TO GO TO 17. BUT AS FOR NOW, THE 17TH, THAT MEETING IS OPEN. IN TERMS OF APPLICATIONS, WE HAVE MAY BE, ONE OR TWO THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE AND ZONING VARIANCES AT THIS TIME. I WILL JUST PROFFER THAT.

IF THAT IS AN IDEA, IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT WORKSHOP IT MIGHT BE -- I THINK THERE ARE SIMILAR VARIANCES TO WHAT WE JUST HEARD. I DON'T KNOW, NO ONE HAS REACHED OUT TO ME ON EACH SIDE. OR SAID ANYTHING.

>> BRANDON, I'M SORRY. DO YOU KNOW IN YOUR SCHEDULING WINDOW CLOSES FOR THAT AUGUST MEETING?

>> I CAN CHECK FOR YOU. GIVE ME ONE MOMENT.

TAKING A LITTLE TIME. OKAY.

FOR THE AUGUST 7 MEETING, WE WOULD HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY, HAVE EMAILED THE APPLICANT MEETING THE APPLICATION IS CLOSED AND WE EMAIL THE APPLICANTS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE ARE READY TO SCHEDULE. THAT WOULD BE THERE THE END OF

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IT LOOKS LIKE JULY 24. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF OUR TIMEFRAME. WHAT STAFF HAS TO DO IN THE MEANTIME ONCE, AFTER APPLICATIONS.

>> BY THE TIME OF THE COACHING SESSION, WE WOULD KNOW WHETHER IT WOULD BE ON THE AUGUST MEETING?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> IT IS NOT ON THE AUGUST MEETING WHEN IT GOES TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING?

>> YES, SIMPLY BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING FOR PVZAB I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD THE REST OF THOSE. THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PCA BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT LEGALLY THEY CAN DO THAT. ANOTHER WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD TO BCC BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE RECOMMENDATION.

>> SO HOPEFULLY IT IS AUGUST. >> YEAH.

>> ONE OF THE LAST -- ANYBODY? >> LAST QUESTION, THE SEPTEMBER

MEETING FALLS ON LABOR DAY. >> IT IS THE SECOND MONDAY.

>> THE SECOND MONDAY, THE 11TH? > THAT'S CORRECT.

>> JUST CONFIRMING, THANK YOU. >> ONE OTHER ISSUE THAT I KNOW HAS COME UP, AND WE SAW TODAY, IS THE NEED TO FIND MEMBERS FOR, NOT ONLY OUR BOARD, BUT ALSO FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. IN THE DISTANT PAST, PAST, THERE WERE NOT TWO SEPARATE BOARDS.

THERE WAS JUST ONE BOARD. AND I WAS WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO GO BACK TO THE ONE BOARD FORMAT.

AND I WAS JUST TOSSING THE IDEA OUT FOR PEOPLE TO REFLECT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, IT DOES CURRENTLY MEET IN PONTE VEDRA. I WOULD SAY, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PORTIONS OF THEIR AGENDA ITEMS ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO ADD AND REVISE SIGNS OF THE HAVE ON THEIR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

AND THEN, ALSO FOR THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, THEY ALSO DO REVIEW ARCHITECTURAL PLANS FOR VARIOUS NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.

SO THEY REVIEW THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS FOR ALL THE PROPERTIES AND STORAGE FACILITY, AND THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT THE CLUBS APPLICATION.

SO -- >> IS THERE JURISDICTION THE

SAME AS OURS? >> NO, THEY GOING TO THE OVERLAY DISTRICT. SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD, HAVE SERVED MANY MORE YEARS, THEN THEY SUPPOSEDLY SHOULD BE SERVING. BECAUSE THERE WAS NOBODY ELSE.

IN ORDER TO HAVE A QUORUM, I MEAN, I KNOW ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT STAYED ON JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE.

AND I KNOW ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL WANTED TO JOIN THE BOARD BUT WE KIND OF SAID, WE CAN'T, AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU ON OUR BOARD, -- THEY WOULD BE, NOT HAVE ENOUGH MEMBERS.

SO I JUST, I BRING IT UP AS SOMETHING TO REFLECT ON, AND IF WE COULD COME UP WITH AN ELEGANT SOLUTION, YOU KNOW --

>> IS A REQUIREMENT ON THAT BOARD TO BE AN ARCHITECT?

>> NO, THE ART REQUIREMENTS FOR THE VARIOUS MEMBERS.

THERE NEEDS TO BE RIGHT NOW, I THINK TWO ARCHITECTS, TWO PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE ZONING DISTRICT, AND THEN, SOMEONE, JUST A REGULAR PERSON. I DON'T KNOW THE BACKGROUND OF WHY THEY DEVELOPED THOSE CRITERIA.

IT WAS SOMETHING I THINK JACK POLK DID.

AND I BRING IT UP IN CASE ANYBODY, WITHIN THE SOUND OF

OUR VOICES, KNOWS WHY AND -- >> DO WE KNOW WHY IT WAS SPLIT

OFF? >> I DON'T KNOW.

>> WOULD STAFF KNOW THAT? WHY THEY CREATED TWO BOARDS?

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>> LET ME COMMENT A LITTLE AND SEE IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING.HE PONTE VEDRA ARC STARTED OUT, I BELIEVE IT WAS OUR FIRST. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE FIRST VISION EFFORT STARTED IN THE COUNTY, AND THE BOARD ADOPTED THOSE, THAT VISION AND THEN COUNTY STAFF ADOPTED AND BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THEN ADOPTED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE PALM VALLEY OVERLAY CAME A LITTLE BIT LATER. AND THEN, THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT NOT HAVING MEMBERS, THE TWO WERE SO SIMILAR, AND REGULATIONS ARE SO SIMILAR THAT HAVING ONE BOARD JUST MADE SENSE. INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BOARDS, BECAUSE NOW WE ARE LOOKING FOR MEMBERS FOR TWO BOARDS, THAT'S IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA AS OPPOSED TO ONE BOARD.

I JUST DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE ADVISABLE TO ACTUALLY BREAK THEM UP AGAIN IF THAT'S WHERE I ACTUALLY HEARD YOU SAY.

BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING PRETTY WELL AS HE PONTE VEDRA PALM

VALLEY ARC. >> THE PROBLEM IS THE MEMBERS CURRENTLY SERVING, HAVE SERVED, LET'S SAY, LONGER THAN LIKE 10 YEARS, 12 YEARS BECAUSE IT IS NOT EASY TO FIND PEOPLE TO DO THAT WORK. SO, I'M JUST BRINGING -- YOU KNOW, I FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SAY I WILL DO IT BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE IS STEPPING FORWARD.

AND I DON'T KNOW OF A GOOD WAY TO ENLIST MORE PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW ON THE GOLF COURSE USACE, EXCUSE ME WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ON THIS BOARD? YOU KNOW IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A

LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT. >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> SURE.

IF YOU LIKE, THIS BOARD IS CREATED BY SPECIAL ACT.

AND WE HAVE A SEPARATE CODE FOR VISION THAT CREATES THE ARC, AND I CAN LOOK AT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH OF THOSE, TO SEE WHETHER THEY WOULD BE ANYTHING THAT WOULD LIMIT THAT CONCEPT, OR EXPLAIN WHAT WOULD NEED TO CHANGE PERHAPS, WITH AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IN ORDER TO COMBINE THOSE TWO, IF YOU LIKE.

>> OKAY. >> IF I UNDERSTOOD TERESA CORRECTLY, WHAT'S CALLED, TO ABSORB THE ARB INTO THIS BOARD, IT WOULD REQUIRE TO SPLIT OFF THE PALM VALLEY ARB, IS THAT

CORRECT? >> ARC.

>> THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION. AGAIN, OCA WE LOOK AND SEE, BUT THE PALM VALLEY ZONING DISTRICT IS IN THE COUNTY.

THAT IS A COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS, NOT THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS.

>> WOULD WE NOT BE CREATING THE SAME PROBLEM? BECAUSE YOU STILL NEED THE SAME PEOPLE FOR THE PALM VALLEY ARC, THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO, I WOULD SAY ELIMINATE OR CONSOLIDATE INTO THIS. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.

I THINK IDEALLY, YOU WOULD WANT ALL THREE BOARDS CONSOLIDATED

IF THAT IS WHAT I'M HEARING. >> MY VIEW, I WOULD IMPOSE THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND OUR POINT OF

VIEW ON PALM VALLEY. >> RIGHT.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED AS MANY MEMBERS ON THE BOARD, BUT I HAVEN'T BROACHED THIS TOPIC WITH ANYONE ON THE CURRENT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. I WAS JUST WONDERING WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE. BECAUSE JUST TODAY, WE THOUGHT YOU KNOW, I ONE TIME WE HAD THREE PEOPLE AND WE LOST ONE, THEN ANOTHER. WE FINALLY HAVE SOMEONE ELSE AND I JUST WANT TO, BE MINDFUL THAT FOR THE APPLICANTS TO COME AND NOT HAVE A FULL CONTINGENT OF MEMBERS TO MAKE A PRESENTATION, IS UNFAIR TO THE APPLICANT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY, HOW CAN WE YOU KNOW, DO OUR JOB AND BE

FAIR TO THE APPLICANT? >> HOW MANY PEOPLE SERVE ON THE COMBINED ART COMMITTEE? NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS?

>> I DON'T HAVE THE CODE WITH ME.

>> THERE'S FIVE. >> AND ARE THERE FOLKS, HE

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>> YES. >> SO, IF THEY ESSENTIALLY, WOULD TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RETIRE OR RESIGN FROM THE BOARD, HOW MANY ACTIVE ONES WHO ARE LOOKING TO STAY ON, WOULD

THERE BE TWO OR THREE? >> HAVEN'T HAD ANY

CONVERSATIONS. >> IF IT DOES MAKE SENSE, IF YOU'RE LEFT WITH ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, WE HAVE ONE OR TWO OPENINGS OVER THE NEXT YEAR, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE.

JUST A SPECIFIC -- >> BEFORE I TALK TO ANYBODY ELSE, OR DO ANYTHING, JUST WANT TO THROW THE IDEA OUT AND WE CAN THINK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT SUBSEQUENTLY.

>> OKAY. I WILL LOOK AT THE SPECIAL ACT AND LDC WITH THE ARC OVERLAY AND PROVIDE A WHITE PAPER TO

IDENTIFY THE POTENTIAL OPTIONS. >> AND IT MIGHT REQUIRE US THEN TO HAVE THE ARCHITECTS ON OUR BOARD.

YOU KNOW AND RIGHT NOW, THERE AREN'T ANY SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR MEMBERSHIP OF THIS

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