May 04, 2023 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order]

[1. SUPMIN 2023-02 Leo Family Duplex]

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>> SO THAT THIS DOES HAVE SEWER AND WATER TO IT?

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>> WE'RE GONNA HOOK INTO THE ZIONISM.

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>> IN THE CHART YOU GET THE BASE DENSITY.

AND THEN PROCESS FOR THE CLEAR WATER AND SEWER.

>> I FIGURED YOU. CANCER I WAS GOING TO ASK

TERESA. >> I DID NOT BRING THE, CHART I THINK. BUT IT IS IN THE CHART.

>> OKAY. ALL, RIGHT THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> THANKS. >> MISTER CHAIR, AND IS WITH IN THE WEST AUGUSTINE COMMUNITY, IT IS NOT WITHIN THE WEST

AUGUSTINE -- >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE AGENCY MEMBERS AT THIS TIME? OR COMMENT?

>> GINA FOUR -- STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS,

FOR THE RECORD. >> 855 SYDNEY STREET.

AND THEN DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PROPERTY AND OBVIOUSLY REALLY DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE A LOT.

WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS NOW.

I'M GLAD YOU ASKED ABOUT THE TREE THERE'S A LOT OF WILDLIFE AND BIRDS THAT FLY IN AND OUT OF THERE.

WE COULD SAVE SOME IN SOME OF THE BEAUTIFUL TREES.

THAT WOULD BE REALLY IDEAL. MY MAIN CONCERN AS TRAFFIC.

BECAUSE I HAVE A BABY, WHERE THIS ROAD IS GOING TO BE PLACED IS ALMOST LIKE KATHY CORNER FOR MY DRIVEWAY.

WITH SIX UNITS IT'S GOING TO BE 12 FAMILIES.

20 PROBABLY TWO VEHICLES PER HOUSE.

SO 24 MORE CARS. IMMEDIATELY INIT WILL BE REALLYF THE ROAD COULD BE PUT CONTINUING ONTO LINA STREET, JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. TOP OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN THESE BEFORE. OTHERWISE, I GUESS IT'S ALL BUILT FOR SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING.

WHICH WOULD BE GOOD. THESE LOOK NICE.

SO THAT'S GOOD. JUST SOME QUESTIONS WOULD BE LIKE, THE TIMEFRAME OF THE BUILD.

HOW MANY BIG TRUNK DUMP TRUCKS WOULD BE COMING AND DAMAGING TO

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I GUESS IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF RODE DAMAGE THAT WE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PREPARED. AND THEN I GUESS JUST LIKE WITH ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON YOU ON THE ADJACENT ROADS WITH SPEED BUMPS AND I REALLY DOUBT IT'S GOING TO BE REPRODUCED OR THE ROAD WOULD BE, THE INTERIM SHOULD BE SWITCHED.

ANYTHING TO REDUCE THE TRAFFIC AND THE SPEED, AND ANY ADDITIONAL DANGERS THAT WILL COME TO ANY HOUSE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM. IT PROBABLY NO ONE ELSE WHO WOULD BE THERE FOR THAT BECAUSE ALL THE PROPERTIES ARE.

RENTALS AND THEN THE TRAILER, PARK WHICH UNFORTUNATELY HAS BEEN A HUGE NIGHTMARE TO THAT AREA.

HOPEFULLY THIS IS BRINGING IN NICE FAMILIES.

THOSE ARE MY MAIN THOUGHTS THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WHAT SPEAKER -- WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO OFFER SOME --

OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? >> YES, SIR.

AGAIN, I GOT AND YOU WILL YESTERDAY, TWO AND HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT AND GO OVER THAT WITH THE OUTLOOK IN THEIR.

THE INTENT IS TO BEAUTIFY THIS, AREA OBVIOUSLY.

THE INTENT IS TO MAKE THIS A MEETING FACTOR TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU COULD GO IN HERE RIGHT NOW AND PUT THE SIX UNITS. THESE ARE REALLY THE SIZE, IF WE LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THEM. THE SIZE OF THE SAME FAMILY HOME FOR THE SIX LATEST OPTION TO BE LEFT IN A FAMILY HOME.

PART OF THIS IS IF YOU LOOK IN THE CITY HERE, THE LOT SIZE IS ABOUT 50 OR 400 SQUARE FEET. MINERAL LOSSES IN OUR THREE IS 7500. BUT THE MAJORITY OF THESE ARE NOT, AND IN FACT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MISS -- THIS IS HER A LOT HERE. AND SHE, DRESSED IF YOU LOOKED SHE SOLD THE SLOT HERE, AND THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY THE 7500, I DON'T KNOW HOW. HOUSE WAS ALREADY BUILT OR WHATEVER. -- SO SHE JUST SOLD THIS EAR AND SO THERE IS LESS THAN 7500 SQUARE FEET. SO, AGAIN WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. OUR INTENT IS TO TRY TO MEET THOSE AND BEAUTIFY THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.

THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

THEY HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR OVER THREE DECADES.

AND SO AGAIN, THEY WANT TO TRY TO STAGGER ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF.

THESE ARE SMALLER ROADS BACK IN HERE, RIGHT NEXT TO THE CITY.

THAT IS THEIR INTENT, SO WE LOOK FORWARD THE CONSIDERATION,

JUST SAY THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> >> WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME FOR

THE BUILD AND HOW LONG >> WOULD IT >> TAKE ONE?

>> IN STAGGERING THE BUILD OUT SO >> THEY DON'T INUNDATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK THEY WANT TO TRY TO DO A FEW OF THEM AT A TIME TOGETHER. NOT ALL SIX OF THEM AT A TIME.

IT'S SET TIMEFRAME. THEY'VE BEEN GOING WITH THIS PROJECT FOR A WHILE, THEY WANT TO DO IT SOON.

THANK YOU. JAMES.

YES, SIR. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO ROAD ALIGNMENT. IT'S ONE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A MAN, KEEP GOING, OKAY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP IN THE UPPER LEFT, NOTICE HOW IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE THIS IS MADE UP OF THREE -- AND HAS THAT FUNNY BACKWARDS L

SHAPE? >> I THINK THAT WAS VACATED, HISTORICALLY THAT PIECE THAT CAME OUT IN THE MIDDLE.

MY CLIENTS DID NOT OWN IT AT THAT TIME.

THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. I LOOK TO THAT TOO.

EVEN THOUGH IT IS ON THE OLD MAPS WERE NEVER, IT IS NOT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER ET CETERA, THIS IS THE ONE PARCEL INTENSIFICATION. I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THAT HISTORICALLY. WE WENT THROUGH VARIOUS ROUNDS OF -- WHAT WE ALWAYS DO WITH ANY PROJECT IN THE COUNTY, IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET TO YOU GUYS.

A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH PRATT STAFF PRIOR TO COMING UP. AND PART OF IT WAS WHERE THAT WHERE IT IS GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE, AND IT KIND OF CAME DOWN WITH THE STAFF AND TECHNICAL STAFF THAT WAS THE BEST PLACE FOR IT. SO IT WOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH THE OTHER STREET. JUST MOLDS BOOK THERE.

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SO I CAN TELL YOU. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT FELL IN THE REGARDS TO THE STAFF AND TECHNICAL STAFF.

>> MY SECOND QUESTION IS THAT AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER YOU HAVE, GOING TO THE SOUTH, A .TRAIGHT

WELL >> YES, AND THAT IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

WHAT >> DOES THAT EXTEND TO THE NORTH OF GUM SYDNEY STREET?

>> YES, THIS ISN'T HERE. IT LOOKS LIKE A MAJOR HIT AREA HERE, BUT THESE ARE SMALL STREETS BACK IN HERE.

I JUST DROVE THROUGH THERE AGAIN THIS MORNING TO LOOK AT MY REFLECTION, I'M NOT TESTIFYING I'M JUST TELLING YOU THESE ARE SMALL STREETS COMING THROUGH HERE, AND THAT'S WHY IF YOU HAVE IT THIS YEAR IS NOT LIKE A MAJOR HIGHWAY, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RESUMING IT OUT OVER.

RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROADS SOUTH OF LINA STREET, IT IS KNOWN FOR THIS. THEY LAND USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS. SO I THINK IT IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT AS LONG AS IT IS DONE IN THE RIGHT WAY, IS -- THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO.

>> ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? [INAUDIBLE]

MEGHAN >> MOTION TO APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN MY IN,

[5. PUD 2023-03 Big Oak RV & Boat Storage]

>> IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDED BY JACK.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES 6 TO 0.

NOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

MISS TAYLOR, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY PARTICULAR COMMUNICATION

WITH REGARD TO NUMBER FIVE? >> [INAUDIBLE]

>> I SPOKE WITH EITHER TOM ALLEN JUNIOR OR TOMMY L IN THE THIRD, NOT SURE WHICH ONE. I KNOW THAT THE ELLEN'S OWN A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND OUR CONTINUOUS WITH IT JUST SOUTH OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. THEY HAVE BEEN TO DO THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM WORK FOR MY YARDS.

SO I KNOW THEM. SO I ACTUALLY CALLED HIM TO ASK HIS OPINION OF THIS GOING IN NEXT TO THEIR PROPERTY.

I KNOW THEIR FATHER WAS ON THE SCHOOL OR WHATEVER, ONE TIME HERE. I WOULD SEEK THEIR OPINION, AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF IT.

SO THIS IS THE BEST NEIGHBORS WE'VE EVER HAD.

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO REPORT. OH >> MEGHAN?

>> HE SPOKE LAST FRIDAY TO THE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPER FOR THE ACROSS THE STREET PROJECT. HE INFORM ME OF THE APPLICATIONS ARE NOT YET -- DISCUSSING THAT MUCH.

>> >>> I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JOHN CHAMPION WHO SPEAK WITH -- MY INITIALLY I HAD NOT SEEN THE ITEM, BUT WHEN I LOOKED INTO THE ITEM HE AND I HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW IT DOES OR MAYBE NOT COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ALL RIGHT, MISS TAYLOR.

SORRY, HENRY. NO ALREADY MISSED TAYLOR.

HE SAID SAME FOR ME. GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> >> KIERAN >> >> TAYLOR, >> LISA >> >> AND --

>> IF YOU CAN QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T ANSWER.

SO NOT JUST GONNA GET STARTED ON THINGS AND LIKE I SAID THEY ARE HERE IF WE NEED TO DISCUSS ANYTHING OR MAKE ANY CHANGES.

IT'S THIS IS FOR THE BIG OAK, BOTH ARE B AND STORAGE -- LOCATION IS SHOWN AT THE CORNER OF 208 AND CAPTURING THE ROAD.

WEST OF STEWART 16 AND I-95. EAST OF THE ROAD SOUTH OF 16 AND ONE REASON I INCLUDED THIS VERY LARGER MAP IS THAT BOTH RV STORAGE AND -- WE'VE DONE LOTS OF HOMEWORK ON THAT BASICALLY DRAWS BETWEEN A 5 TO 7 MILE RADIUS.

THAT'S A LESSON WE HAVE HERE. THE KIND OF SHOWS YOU THAT IT'S NOT JUST IMMEDIATELY BUILDING AROUND IT.

THIS IS WEST OF DOTS COMMERCIAL THAT IS AT 95 AND 16.

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IT'S ALSO CLOSE TO WHISPER RAGE, TARA PINTS.

WHICH IS NOW DEVELOPING. AND -- AS WELL, AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THOSE DEVELOPMENT AREAS COMING IN TO THE AREA. THEY ARE JUST IMMEDIATE TO THIS. AS FOR FUTURE LAND USES, IT IS ON THE CORNER OF THE RESIDENTIAL -- YOU DON'T HAVE -- TO THE WEST, WE UNDER CONSERVATION FOR MITIGATION BANKS AND SOME OF IT IS A WELL.

OF COURSE, THERE ARE 22 ELEMENTS COMING THROUGH THEIR.

YOU SEE GET MORE INTO THE RESIDENTIAL INTERSTATE, AND VARIOUS OTHER RESIDENTIAL -- THIS PROPERTY WAS OVER A LOT OF THE AREA AROUND IT, BUT ALSO THERE WAS THE P R D WHICH IS THE SOUTHERN STATES. THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING AND DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS AT THE INTERSTATE.

JUST TO BRING IT IN A BIT CLOSER, COULD NOT REALLY SEE THE AREA AND HOW THAT RELATES TO THE PR D WE, AND TO THE OTHER AREAS. ONE THING THAT IS NOTED THERE IS THERE IS A NEW DEVELOPMENTS GOING IN, THE ELEVATION POINTS AT ANDERSON PARK. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WANT INDEED A SITE VISIT. YOU CAN CERTAINLY SEE IT IS ALL GOING FOR THEIR MULTI FAMILY -- AS WELL, WHICH INCREASES THE NEED FOR THOSE SERVICES. THE REQUEST IS TO FREE ZONE SIX POINT 67 ACRES, ALL THOSE PERCENTAGES WERE BASED ON -- FROM PLANNING TO DEVELOPMENT TO PD TO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD SURROUNDING USES, AND OUR B AND BOTH STORAGE FACILITIES. THIS PROPERTY WAS BUILT A LONG TIME AGO FOR A SMALL HOTEL. WHICH WAS CONVERTED TO AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. WHICH EVENTUALLY MOVED OUT.

THEY PURGE THE PROPERTY. IT WAS ARE PRESENTED TO THEM AS COMMERCIAL FOR THEIR LAWN CARE BUSINESS AND PASS CONTROL.

ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT IT WASN'T.

THIS WAS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. WE ACTUALLY CAME TO THE COUNTY AND MET WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THOUGHT IF THIS WAS TOO INTENSE FOR THIS AREA. AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CONFLICT THEN AS WELL AS A COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ZONE.

THEY MET IN THE SITE. THEY KEPT THAT SIGHT, UP USING IT FOR ESSENTIAL PURPOSES FOR FAMILY MEMBERS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. NOW, THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND -- RESIDENTIAL B DOES ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL USES, IF THEY'RE DEFINED WITHIN THE PEABODY.

AND WE CHOSE TO CNN AS OUR USES, BECAUSE THAT IS THE --

>> IT WOULD REQUIRE AMENDMENTS AS WELL AS INTO ZONING.

THEY FOUND ANOTHER SITE SO THEY HAD TO KIND OF ABANDONED THE SITE. THEY'VE KEPT THAT SIGHT OF UNUSED OF ESSENTIAL PURPOSES. --

>> DIRECT ACCESS TO PROTECTORS. AND IT CAN INCLUDE BUILDINGS, IN THIS CASE WHICH STARTED -- BUT IT LIMITS IT FOR A LOT OF THE MORE INTENSE CATEGORIES. SO THE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING ALLOWS FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS

COMMERCIAL USES OPPOSITES CONFESSIONAL >> CULTURAL >> AND

>> INSTITUTIONAL AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL THAT IS FOR ACCESSORY USE. THEY ALLOW FOR THE RV IN BOTH FACILITIES WE MEET THE SPECIAL USE REQUIREMENT AND WE'VE INCLUDED THIS OVER MY 40 SOMETHING YEARS OF DOING THIS, FOUND THE SINGLE PURPOSE PTS ARE SO VERY DIFFICULT.

FOR SOMEBODY TO INVEST IN, OR WHATEVER.

AND THINGS DO CHANGE OVERTIME. IF CHANGES TO THAT WE PROBABLY REQUIRE THEM -- TO YOU ALL.

WHEN WE HAVE THOSE USES -- DESIGNED TO CONCENTRATE THE STORED IN THE CENTER AND LOTS OF BUFFERING AROUND THE OUTSIDE,

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THAT IS TO SAY SOME SIGNIFICANT TREES, THEY HAVE A LOT OF ESTABLISH TRAYS WE HAVE LARGE A LARGE OPEN SPACE AREAS.

PRETTY LONG CABBAGE HAMMOCK ROAD.

EXTRA BUCKET IN THE OPEN SPACE ALONG THE ROADWAY.

IT AGAIN MAINTAINS THE EXISTING VEGETATION.

>> EVEN THE MOSTLY HAS BEEN CLEARED, AS YOU SEE.

AND AGAIN ESTABLISHED THE FRONTAGE.

IT WAS A CLOSE-UP AERIAL WHEN IT SHOWS THE OF ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. IT'S CURRENTLY THERE'S TWO POINTS OF ACCESS FOR THE SITE AS WELL.

AND IT'S PRIMARILY CLEARED BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES THE BOUNDARY, THE SAVINGS OR THE TREES IN THE MIDDLE CHURCH SHOW YOU AS WE GO ALONG. THIS IS THE LAYOUT THAT SHOWS A NEW SINGLE ENTRANCE LOCATION. WHICH IS A LOT FURTHER UP THEN THE SOUTHERNMOST ONE. IT'LL LAST FOR UP TO 190 YARDS OF STORAGE SPACE, SOME COVERED, SOME OPEN TO GRAVEL AND OTHERS WILL JUST BE GRASS. THEY DO HAVE A MOBILE HOME PLANNED, WHICH WOULD BE AN ACCESSORY, AND THAT IS FOR SECURITY RISK. RESIDENTS.

THEY VERIFIED WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THAT THEY WORK FOR THEM TO GET A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY TO LIVE ON SITE. THEY DON'T BRING CENTRAL WATER IN. WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THE RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET DOES NOT HAVE THAT.

THEY ALSO HAVE TO HAVE THE FIRE HYDRANT AND RESIDENTS ACROSS THE STREET DO NOT HAVE THAT EITHER.

THAT WILL BENEFIT THAT DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE IT WON'T BE RIGHT NEXT TO IT. THERE IS A 20 FOOT BUFFER ON ALL SIZE. THERE IS A STORM ON AN OPEN SPACE. AND THERE IS ALSO A RESERVATION OF 17 AND A HALF FEET, ON TOP OF THE 20 FOOT BUFFER.

WHAT 17 AND YOU HAVE FEET -- SAYS NEED TO PROVIDE TO AWAIT.

KIND OF OVERLAYS THIS ON THE AREA AND IT SHOWS THAT INTEREST BEING MODIFY. YOU CAN SEE AGAIN HOW THAT RELATES TO BEING MUCH FARTHER NORTH.

I CANNOT BE QUITE AS FAR NORTH AS THIS ONE WAS.

BUT IT'S DEFINITELY A LOT FARTHER NORTH THAN THE EXISTING HERE. YOU CAN MAINTAIN A LOT OF THAT.

AND IT INCLUDES ALL OF THAT VEGETATION THAT IS IN THE RIGHT

OF WAY. >> YOU DO IT WITH A SIDEWALK THERE. THEY WILL BE DOING THAT IN THE BASEMENT -- THERE.

AND THEY'RE DOING FENCING INSIDE THE BUFFERS IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ON HERE. BUT THEY WERE TENSION AREA AND THAT WILL BE OPEN TO THEIR. SO THAT THE FACILITIES ITSELF WILL HAVE WINCING INSIDE THEM SO THAT THEY WILL THE ADEQUATELY BUMPING ON THE OUTSIDE.

>> THIS WAS JUST A MAP TO KIND OF SHOW YOU THE OPEN SPACE PLAN, AND TO SHOW YOU THE THINGS I HAVE JUST SAID.

ALONG HERE WE HAVE THE 17 AND A HALF, >> PLUS THE 20 FEET.

AND A LOT OF OPEN SPACE TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

ADDITIONAL BUFFERING DOWN HERE. OPEN SPACE IN THE CORNER AS WELL. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME AREA IN HERE THAT IS SPECIFICALLY BEEN LEFT FOR PRESERVATION OF TREES.

TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE REQUIREMENTS, THIS WILL PROVIDE THE REQUIRED STREAMING IN FENCING.

THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS AND WE WOULD HAVE TO ADHERE TO LIGHTING LIMITATIONS. AND THIS REGULATION SAYS THAT AFTER A WHILE THEY'RE LETTING SHOULD BE DIRECTIONAL AND NOT ADJACENT PROPERTIES. WE HAVE AN ONSITE OFFICE, AND IT WILL BE DAYTIME ONLY. IT WILL FEEL LIKE -- SECURITY. THERE IS A 70 FOOT STAFFING AREA FOR THAT GATE. THAT GATE WILL WORK, AND IF THERE IS SOMEONE BEHIND THE PERSON THAT GETS, AND IT WILL STAY OPEN AND NOT CLOSE BACK UP.

SO THAT ALSO WILL BE THE 24 HOUR SECURITY OFF-SITE, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. SO THAT CUSTOMERS HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO USE IT. AND, AGAIN WE ALSO HAVE THE MOBILE HOME HERE FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY.

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IT SHOULD BE NEAR THE MOST RV AND STORAGE AREAS ARE KIND OF, ACCESSING NONTRADITIONAL WORK TIMES.

YOU BELIEVE EARLY IN THE MORNING AND THERE ARE THESE -- WHICH MAKES THIS THE REASON THAT WE HAVE -- , BUTLERS IN THIS BECAUSE I ALWAYS BRING UP THE BE SCREENING IN THE A SCREENING STANDARDS OR WHATEVER, AND JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU THAT THEY REQUIRE CERTAIN PLANTS AND WALLS AND FENCES AND CANOPY TREES, ALONG THE BOUNDARIES.

WE'RE LOOKING UP TO EIGHT FEET. DECIDER ON THE STORAGE AREA.

AND IT WILL MEET ALL THE SCREENING STANDARDS.

TRAFFIC ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE A QUESTION.

ARGUABLY BOTH STORAGE IS ACTUALLY VERY MINIMAL TRAFFIC.

AND THAT IS FOR THE HUNDRED AND 90 SPACES ARE CONSIDERED -- FOR TROOPS FOR PEAK OUR. I AM, PM DAILY RIGHT ABOUT 2:34. I PUT IN RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A RESIDENTIAL BE AREA.

ALLOWING UP TO TWO YEARS >> FOR ANCHOR.

THAT WOULD BE 113 DAILY TRIPS IN THE MORNING AND EVENING.

I GET ASSISTED LIVING BECAUSE THAT IS NOT ALLOWABLE USE UNDER O.R. AS WELL. I'VE DONE A NUMBER OF THOSE,

JUST TO KIND OF >> THINK OF THAT WENT BACK TO THAT, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LOT MORE TRAFFIC.

ANYWAY, SECURITY AGAIN. WE'VE GOT ONSITE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY. AS I SAID WE HAVE UTILITIES IN CENTRAL WATER. THE FIRE HYDRANTS.

LIKE YOU PLENTY IS A SEPTIC TANK, BECAUSE THIS IS TOO FAR FROM THE -- JUST A FEW PICTURES, THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF THE FRONTAGE FROM CABBAGE ROAD.

THIS IS THE FRONT OF THAT CORNER.

SHOWS YOU THAT ONE OF THE TREES WILL BE MAINTAINED.

AND ALSO THIS IS A PROBLEM, BASICALLY, FROM 208 LOOKING SOUTH. BUT I THINK NORTH DRIVEWAY.

A LITTLE PAST WHERE THEY SIGN IS WHERE THE NEW DRIVEWAY WILL BE. THIS IS AN INTERIOR SITE JUST TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE VEGETATION THAT IS BEING MAINTAINED. THIS IS THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE, WHICH SHOWS YOU THE RELATIONSHIP OF THAT SOUTHERN DRIVEWAY. UP TO THE HOUSE IS BEING BUILT ACROSS THE STREET. THAT WILL BE MOVED SO THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ACTIVITY IN THE PARTICULAR AREA.

JUST A LITTLE BIT FARTHER DOWN, IT RUNS ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD FOR QUITE AWHILE. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, YOU CAN SEE THE VEGETATION ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE.

VEGETATION ON THIS PARTICULAR SIDE.

THIS KIND OF GETS YOUR DOWN AT THE END OF CABBAGE ROUTE, THIS WILL NOT AFFECT THEM. WE SHORTENED UP THAT ACCESS.

THERE ISN'T ANY REASON FOR ANYBODY TO GO OUT THERE, AND AGAIN THIS IS LOOKING NORTH. IN THE SOUTH END OF THIS RESIDENTIAL LOT. AND THIS IS THE FURTHEST ONE THAT I HAVE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE INTERSECTION. VERY QUICKLY FROM THAT AND.

THAT IS THE INTERSECTION, THE INTERSECTION FROM THE HOUSE.

RIGHT NEXT TO HERE IS MR. LEE'S PROPERTY.

TOMMY LEE WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY ON TWO SIDES. HIS SON -- TOMMY ALLEN. SORRY, AND HIS SON LIVES ANOTHER THING DOWN. SO THEY BOTH OWNED PROPERTY ALL ALONG THAT ONE SIDE. HE HAS THE HORSES AND THE COWS.

AND TIME IT WAS GOING TO BE HERE TODAY BUT SOMEBODY MESSED UP HIS FENCES, WHICH YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MESS UP FENCES IN PANELS? THEY GET OUT.

THIS IS AGAIN THERE SOUTH END OF THEIR PROPERTY.

LOOKING TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION.

AGAIN,, ABOUT THE NEW DRIVEWAY LOCATION, ABOUT WHERE IT WOULD BE. THIS IS A TREE THAT IS A GAME FOR THIS. THE BIG OAK ALONG WITH THE SMALLER, THEY'LL BE PRESERVED ON THE SITE.

FOR MANY, USES I WILL NOT GOING TO A LOT OF DETAIL, I HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF THEM IF ANYBODY WANTS TO REVIEW THEM.

THE OFFICE AND CULTURAL INSTITUTIONAL AS WELL AS THE

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CHANGES >> -- LIMITED IN SIZE AND SCALE.

TYPE OF USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA.

COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT YEARS AND DESIGN STANDARDS AGREED TO IN THE BUFFER AND WE'VE SHOWN.

IT'S SMALLER AND MORE INTENSE THAN IN THAT MIXED-USE LAND USE AREA THAT IS THERE TO THE EAST. AND THE DIFFERENT LEVELS ARE TYPES OF THINGS. RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES IN ABOUT 5 TO 7 MILE RADIUS. IT'S LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO ROADWAYS. THERE IS NO ACCESS ON THE PRIMARY ROADWAY. THAT IS WHERE SAFETY CONCERNS COME IN. YOU DON'T WANT SOMETHING STOPPING IN TURNING. IN IT IS AN ESTABLISHED ROADWAY THAT WORKS MUCH BETTER. WE DID SEEM TO COMPATIBLE SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL AND LIGHT WITH BOTH THOSE AGRICULTURAL CAVITIES AND RESIDENTIAL USES. IN ANIMAL ACTIVITY.

AGAIN, SHOULD THE APPLICANT DESIRE TO CHANGE THE USE PROVIDING THE PPE, OR HOW IT IS LAID OUT AND SUBJECT TO THE MODIFICATION FOR MINOR OR MAJOR, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A REVIEW BY EITHER A PCA OR PCA AND PCC. SO THAT SOMETHING WILL BE LOOKED AT IF THERE ARE SOME CHANGE TO IT.

THERE WERE A FEW LETTERS IN THE STAFF REPORT.

ONE THAT I MISSED, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE MAYORS IN THERE.

THEY HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF LETTERS THAT WERE NOT IN THERE, THAT WE RECEIVED COPIES OF.

SO BASICALLY, WE HAD FIVE LETTERS IN SUPPORT, AND WE HAVE THREE LETTERS IN OBJECTION. FIVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT WOULD BE TOMMY ALLEN JUNIOR, TELL ME ON THE THIRD.

CARTER. BOBBY FOSTER AND BOBBY.

CARTON I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE THOSE PROPERTIES ARE.

WHEN BY THE WAY, LISTEN I MET WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF OYSTER THIS PROJECT ANYTIME WE STARTED IT'S SHOWN TO TALK A SMALL PART OF IT AS A CAMPER TO GO WITH IT.

AND WE CAN FIND OUT THAT THAT WASN'T GOING TO, WORK AND PROBABLY HAD AMENDMENTS. WHERE INTO A BAD SITUATION.

SHE FOLLOWED UP AND MET WITH THE NEW COMMISSIONER'S, THIS WAS LAST YEAR. WHEN THEY HAD BEEN ELECTED, SHE ALSO FOLLOWED UP WITH LETTERS TO THOSE COMMISSIONERS.

EXPLAINING HOW WE CHANGE TO THE APPLICATION AS WELL.

I DID A MAILING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE MAILING HAD A WHOLE LIST OF ALL THE THINGS AND A COPY OF THE SITE PLAN. AND A COPY OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

I DO NOT GET ANY RESPONSES ON THOSE.

THERE WAS ALSO AN ANONYMOUS LETTER THAT WAS PUT IN PEOPLES MAILBOX. KIND OF ECHOED A LOT OF A SENTIMENTS. SO WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THESE KIND OF ANSWERING THEM AS WELL. MR. LI, LACES BUILDING THE HOUSE TO THE SOUTH. I KIND OF WANTED TO SAY THAT TO MR. -- AS WELL.

THE REASON THAT THE DRIVEWAY MOVED UP THIS TO ILLUMINATE CONFLICT WITH ANY OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

WE WON'T EVEN BE NEAR THE HOUSES, ACROSS FROM HIS WHITE FENCE AND NOT THE HOUSES. BUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF BUFFERING. WE'RE ALSO WILLING TO INCREASE ANY OF THAT AT ANY POINT NEEDED.

SO ANYBODY FROM THAT ENTRANCE SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY TRAFFIC.

EXCEPT FOR THE TRAFFIC THEY'RE GOING TO GET FROM THOSE NEW HOMES. AS FOR THE MERCER'S AND THE MEYERS, THAT'S WHEN YOU VOTE FOR A LONG TIME IN CLEAR FENCED AND DEVELOPS. SOME OF THE WILDLIFE TYPE

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THEY WON'T BE STADIUM LIGHTING. THAT WAS IN SOME OF THE LETTERS. THEY HAVE TO DO A PHOTO METRIC STUDY, WHEN THEY DO THE CIVIL ENGINEERING.

AND I HAVE TO HAVE THOSE APPROPRIATE FOR CANDLE LEVELS FOR THAT ACCESS AND SECURITY. THEY CAN'T BLEED INTO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. AND NIGHTTIME LIGHTING WILL ONLY BE ACCESS FOR THE TIME SO THEY WERE THERE.

THE SURVEILLANCE IS NOT GOING TO BE THE SURVEILLANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS AREA IS ON THE SIDE ITSELF. THE ELECTRIC GATE AGAIN SENSE THIS VEHICLE, 70 STACKING IS CLEARLY ENOUGH FOR TWO LARGE VEHICLES. COULD BE A TRUCK AND BOAT OR QUITE BE A BIG RV. STARTS GOING TO BE TRAILER RV.

THE FACILITY CAN HANDLE ALL THE RUNOFF FROM THE SITE.

IT IS A WASH AREA. NOT A WASHOUT STATION.

IT'S GENERALLY BUILT A RINSE OFF YOUR BOAT OR TO RINSE OFF YOUR RV. YOUR TRAILER.

IT ALL GOES INTO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM.

SO, THEY HAVE SAID THAT THERE WAS NO WAITING LIST, WE START WITH EVERYTHING, THAT'S WHAT MADE THEM THIS WOULD BE AN ECONOMIC THING FOR THEM TO DO. IT'S NOT REALLY UNUSUAL FOR PROPERTY VALUES AND THINGS, FOR RESIDENTIAL AREA, TO HAVE COMMERCIAL AT THE MAJOR ROADWAY.

WHICH TWO AWAY IS. IN FACT, IT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET ALONG THE ROAD HERE IN A NUMBER OF OUR PATIENTS.

JUST TO KIND OF SUMMIT OF, THE SYSTEM WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT IS THE GOALS AND POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES. IT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA. AND COMPATIBLE THROUGH ALL THE BUFFERS AND THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO.

THEY'RE REQUESTING A RECOMMENDATION FOR IMPROVEMENT.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> WE ALL RIGHT.

DOES THE AGENCY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

RICHARD? >> >> I WILL ASK A COUPLE.

I >> UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE PUTTING THE ENTRANCE WHERE YOU ARE UP CLOSER TO 208. YOU HAVE THE 75TH SACKING AREA.

THE GATE THEY WON'T CLOSE. IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS THERE AND

YOU DO NOT WANT TO BOTHER THE NEIGHBORS FURTHER SOUTH ON >>

KAEPERNICK >> >> >> ROAD >>. >> IT SEEMS TO ME YOU MIGHT

MOVE >> THE ENTRANCE A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH.

TO PREVENT ANY STACKING ISSUES >>.

I DON'T WHAT YOU MEAN BY >> THE >> GATES STAYING OPEN.

IF YOUR CARD IS IN THE WAY OF THE BEING IT WILL STAY OPEN OR IF IT SENSES THERE IS A CAR WAITING.

I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND >>. >> >> IT OPENS FOR ONE, IT SENSES THE NEXT ONE. IT WILL GO THROUGH.

BASICALLY, THE STOCKING OF 70 WILL BE 2 TO 3 TABLES.

DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE -- IF YOU HAD A REALLY 30 FOOT LONG MOTOR HOME, THE HUNDRED AND 50 IS THE COUNTY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DISTANCE FROM THE INTERSECTION, OR YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY. AND AGAIN WE ALSO PUT THAT WHERE WE DID, TOO. SO WE COULD BE FARTHER FROM THE RESIDENTS. RESIDENTIAL.

WHICH WAS TO THE SOUTH OF IT. 150 FEET, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLES. THEY'RE VERY UNUSUAL.

YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEBODY ACCESS THERE'S ONCE A MONTH, COME AND GET IT OR LEAVE. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A DAILY THING, AS YOU SAW FROM THE PANEL.

THE HUNDRED AND 50 FOOT FROM THE 208, DOWNTOWN CABBAGE IS IN

ADDITION TO THE -- >> EIGHT.

SO IT WOULD NOT BE A LINEUP OF THOSE.

>> >> >> AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE HOME FOR A DEPUTY SHERIFF PERSON. IS THAT GOING TO BE OFFERED TO SOMEONE FREE? THEY MAKE, USUALLY,

ARRANGEMENTS. >> OKAY.

>> THE SHERIFF'S APARTMENT IS A WHOLE WAY THAT THEY DO.

IT I'M NOT SURE OF ALL THE DETAILS.

LISA CAN FILL YOU IN ON THAT. SHE HAS HAD IT ON ANOTHER SITES

BEFORE. >> YOU MENTIONED, I WAS NEVER GONNA ASK THIS -- WATER POLLUTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER RINSED OFF AN OUTDOOR BUGS WITH AN OUTDOOR MOTOR, BUT I SURE HAVE.

>> AND THERE IS A LOT OF OIL COMING OFF THAT BOAT.

BUT >> THAT'S WHY IT'S IN A CERTAIN AREA AND IT'S JUST LIKE YOU ALL THE COMES OFF YOUR CARS AS YOU ARE ON THE ROADS AND

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>> >> EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE OPEN-ENDED THIS, OR 60,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE SPACE.

>> >> AS I SAID I'VE BEEN >> DOING THIS FOR A LONG LONG

TIME. >> >> AND SO BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF USES THAT WILL BE APPROPRIATE THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THE, ONE OF THE MAPS BASICALLY WHERE I HAD NO IDEA WHEN THAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED. BUT THIS IS 20 209, IT IS THE

RIGHT WAY FOR 20 209. >> IF THAT HAPPENS >> TO COME,

LIKE >> AS A THING NEIGHBORHOOD ENDED UP GROWING BIGGER OR >>

WHATEVER, WE WANT TO THAT OPTION >>.

WE DID HAVE >> ONE COMMISSIONER DISCUSS WITH US THE FACT OF

MAKING >> IT SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR WHATEVER CHANGES. WE STILL LIKE THE PURITY TO

IMPROVE >> THOSE. >> >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

WE ARE NOT ADVERSE TO THAT. COMING BACK TO THE AGENCY.

ANY OTHER AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE FORWARD. NATALIE VAN LINTON? NOW, MURRAY IS REALLY DOING DOUBLE DUTY HERE.

GOOD, JOB MARY. >> HELLO, NATALIE VAN LET INTO TWO FOR FIVE CABBAGE -- WROTE.

NATALIE FAN LINTON, 2455 CABBAGE HAMMOCK ROAD.

I AM THE WIFE MOTHER AND HOME OWNER OF LOT NUMBER ONE IN SOUTH'S -- PLANTATION.

IT IS THE SAME EXACT PHOTO -- MY HOUSE IS RIGHT HERE.

IS THE CLOSEST HOUSE TO THIS PROPOSED BUSINESS.

>> >> SORRY IF I'M NOT DOING THIS RIGHT.

>> >> I'M HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS MY DISAPPROVAL OF THE PROPOSAL TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FOR COMMERCIAL USE FOR THE FOLLOWING FOR REASONS. NUMBER ONE, THE PLAN SENT BY KAREN TAYLOR INDICATED THAT THE ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY WILL BE ON CABBAGE HAMMOCK ROAD. A RESIDENTIAL ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION ROAD. I'M CONCERNED HAVING THE LARGE TRUCKS TO DRIVE THE BOATS AND RVS IN AND OUT WILL CAUSE PEOPLE TO DO THREE POINTS TURNS AND BEING THAT MY DRIVEWAY IS THE FIRST DRIVEWAY IF SAY THEY WERE DRIVING AND THEY MISS THE ENTRANCE, THAT THEY WILL BE DOING THREE POINT TURNS INTO MY DRIVEWAY TO TRY TO GO BACKWARDS, IF THEY MISS WHERE THEY ARE GOING. I ALSO JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS NO OUTLET ON THE END OF THIS ROAD.

AND SO I FEEL LIKE MY DRIVER WILL BE THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO SWING AROUND SO THAT THEY CAN GET AND IF THEY MISS WHERE THEY ARE GOING. IF THEY'RE GOING THERE FOR THE FIRST TIME. REASON EMBER TO, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA. THERE ARE NO COMMERCIAL BUSINESS HAS WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS OF MY ADDRESS.

WE INTENTIONALLY CHOSE THIS AREA TO BUILD OUR HOME, AND START OUR FAMILY. BECAUSE IT WAS AWAY FROM THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE OF THE CITY. NUMBER THREE, THIS FACILITY WOULD BE ACROSS FROM OUR HOUSE AND IN PLAIN SIGHT.

I AM CONCERNED THAT THIS WILL DECREASE MY PROPERTY VALUE.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE AN APPRAISAL TO SHOW THIS IF REQUESTED. NUMBER FOUR, THE FACILITY IS PLANNED TO BE A 24 HOUR, SEVEN DAY A WEEK OPERATION.

AS AMENDED BY MISS KAREN TAYLOR.

MOST RV BOATS AND STORAGE LOTS ARE ACCESSED NONTRADITIONAL WORKING HOURS. THIS EXCESS NOISE AND VIBRATION COULD SEVERELY REDUCE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE REALLY JUST ANYTIME, BUT EVEN WITH THE LIGHTS. I KNOW THEY'RE SAYING IT WOULD BE DIRECTED TOWARDS US BUT THE FACT THAT IT WILL JUST BE ON AT NIGHT ALL THE TIME, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT WILL FEEL LIKE WE LIVE NEXT TO A BUSINESS AND NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS, WHICH IS WHY WE PURCHASED THIS A LOT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

PLEASE CONSIDER DENYING THIS REASONING REQUEST.

AND KEEPING THIS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR ADJUSTING THE

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AGENDA FOR ME. >> THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT.

MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF HER, PLEASE?

YOU SAID HE WOULD BE HAPPY >> TO PROVIDE AN >> APPRAISAL AND

DO YOU HAVE AN APPRAISAL? >> I JUST DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY UNLESS I KNEW YOU NEEDED

IT. BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO. >> OKAY, THANKS.

>> HI, I'M YVES MALEY. WE'VE BEEN LIVING OUT HERE SINCE 1974.

WE HAVE 60 ACRES ON THE CORNER OF -- I OPPOSE THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THIS WOULD OPEN UP, IT SOUNDS LIKE, CLASSIFICATION. AND ALSO BECAUSE WE HAVE -- I HAVE LIVED THROUGH FOR BATCHES OF KIDS GROWING UP ON THIS COUNTRY ROAD.

IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE. IT HAS SOFT SHOULDERS, IT'S JUST A LITTLE COUNTRY ROAD WHICH IF ANY OF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, IT WAS A CAR -- A FARM ROAD. WE MOVED OUT THERE, IT WAS JUST -- AND OVER THE, YEARS MORE PEOPLE HAVE MOVED IN AND DEVELOPED.

I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE NEW FAMILIES COME INTO OUR AREA. AND PARTICIPATE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S A VERY QUIET COMMUNITY. AND I GUESS THE THING IS THAT WE HAVE A PEOPLE COMING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIDING HORSES AND WE EVEN HAVE PEOPLE COMING FROM DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO RIDE THEIR BIKES AND WALK THEIR DOGS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IT IS REALLY A SMALL COUNTRY COMMUNITY. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE RIGHT BUSINESS FOR THAT CORNER. I THINK THAT IF THEY WERE TO COME AND SAY, WE WANT TO PUT A RESIDENTIAL POD ON THIS PROPERTY, I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT.

I WOULD BE FINE WITH HAVING PEOPLE. WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DANGERS OF TURNING OFF OF 208, RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD THEY HAVE THE RV PARK AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS TURNING FROM 208 INTO THE RV PARK. I THINK THAT IS NOT REALLY SUBSTANTIATED BY THE EVIDENCE. 208 IS HIGHLY DEVELOPED, TO A CERTAIN POINT.

AND THIS WILL BE AFTER THEY HAVE HAD ALL THESE HOUSES ALL AROUND.

AND I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY SET A PRECEDENT FOR MORE OF THE SAME, GOING INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. YEARS AGO, WHEN WE MOVED IN, WE WERE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THE TRIAL. 208 IS PART OF THE WILLIAM BERTRAM TRAIL.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, OR IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF WILLIAM BARR DRUM. THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE -- I'M SORRY THANK YOU SO MUCH, I

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> TOM CHAMPION? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, BOARD MEMBERS. MY NAME IS TOM CHAMPION. THE ADDRESS IS 20 1:20 NORBERT SQUARE BOULEVARD. 32 TO 16. AND I AM REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF SOUTH PLANTATION CORPORATION. A PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE 20 LOTS, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZES 1.8 ACRES. NINE OF THE LOTS ARE LOCATED ON CABBAGE HAMMOCK ROAD, DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PROPOSED PLANNED, URBAN DEVELOPMENT.

I HOPE YOU CAN SEE A COMPARISON INDIFFERENCE RIGHT HERE. RIGHT OFF THE BAT, WE ARE TALKING GOING FROM RURAL TO URBAN. AND THE PROPOSED SITE RIGHT NOW IS PRESENTLY ZONED FOR RURAL. I THINK YOU CAN SEE THE PATTERN FOR WHAT THE AREA IS INTENDED

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REGARDING THE REZONING REQUESTS, THERE ARE LETTERS, EMAILS, PHONE CALLS, REQUESTS THAT YOU NOT SUPPORT THIS URBAN DEVELOPMENT. THEY AND THE PEOPLE BEFORE ME AND AFTER ME ARE GOING TO BRING UP MANY MANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS. THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION, NOISE POLLUTION, TRAFFIC, ACCESS ON CABBAGE PATCH VERSUS 208.

THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA WOULD CHANGE, SAFETY CONCERNS. AND A WHOLE PLETHORA OF OTHER OBJECTIONS. I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO ALL OF THOSE OR REPEAT WHAT'S GOING TO BE SAID ABOUT THIS. BUT WE AGREE WITH THEIR CONCERNS.

AND THEIR OBJECTIONS. AND ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT A PLANNED URBAN DEVELOPMENT OPENS UP MANY USES FOR THIS PROPERTY. AP YOU D IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE STATUTES WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.

THAT WE LIVE BY. 200 PADS FOR RVS AND BOATS COULD ALSO BE CHANGED IMMEDIATELY, SHOULD THEY WANT TO. THEY COULD GO, HAVE RESTAURANTS, GASTON SHUNS, OFFICES, BARS, AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU.

CLEARLY, FROM MR. TAYLOR. THAT COULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL 60,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL PROJECTS. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE TO US, IT REALLY IS.

I DON'T THINK THIS TYPE OF INTENSE NEWS IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OR IN THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA. YOUR OWN CODE, TWO POINT 02 POINT 01 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WILL ALLOW THESE CHANGES AND PRETTY MUCH GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPTION OF CHANGING THE USE AT THEIR DISCRETION.

IF THEY WANT TO. I SEE THAT AS A PROBLEM. I ASK YOU, IS THIS THE BEST OUTCOME FOR OWNERS IN THIS AREA? I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK NOT.

IS THERE A PUBLIC BENEFIT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THIS AREA? I DON'T THINK SO.

THE QUESTION MUST BE ASKED, IF YOU ARE GOING TO APPROVE A PLANNED URBAN DEVELOPMENT -- I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, THAT WE MADE ARRANGEMENTS FOR STORAGE IN SOUTHEAST PLANTATION. YOU CAN STORE YOUR BOAT, YOUR RV THERE.

IT WILL BE SCREENED, IT WILL BE SAFE. AND IN CLOSING, I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD NOT SUPPORT THIS P.J.. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE

COUNTING, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK, YOU TOM.

>> ES SIR. >> MARIE TRENT FIELD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS MARIE CHRISTIANE, I AM AT THE CORNER OF CABBAGE, HAMMOCK, AND AUSTIN.

I HAVE A CURRENT QUARTER OF THEIR. I MOVED ON HERE 12 YEARS AGO TO STAY IN THE COUNTRY. I LIVED IN NORTH FRUIT COVE FOR 25 YEARS.

THE REASON I MOVED FROM THERE IS BECAUSE OF THE SAME THING THAT'S HAPPENING HERE NOW.

IT'S BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STAY IN THE COUNTRY. SO AS YOU KNOW, FRUIT COVE IS OVERPOPULATED NOW. AND THE TRAFFIC'S BUMPER TO BUMPER.

I DO NOT AND I RESENT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING THIS.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT WHATEVER ELSE SAID. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW

THAT I DO NOT LIKE IT AT ALL. THANK YOU. >> RANDY MARTIN HUSSEIN?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM RANDY MARTIN WHO SAY, I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PLANTATION HOA. AS MR. CHAMPION STATED, THERE IS AN ANCIENT WAY ON THIS PROPERTY. AND WE HAVE GREAT CONCERNS WITH RESPECT TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS A MISUSE OF A POD IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE IDEA OF A POD FROM OUR OPINION, AND OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO USE IT FOR SOME TRANSITIONAL TYPE OF ZONING. AND IT IS ALSO GOING TO BE USED TO CREATE SOME TYPE OF A PUBLIC BENEFIT. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, WE ARE NOT SEEING ANY EVIDENCE OF PUBLIC BENEFIT. WE SEE NO IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE TO SEE OUR 208.

I DO KNOW THERE IS A RIGHT OF WAY THAT IS BEING GIVEN. BUT THERE IS NOTHING IMMEDIATE WITH RESPECT TO HAVING 200 PADS AND 200 POTENTIAL USERS, NO HE USING --

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REALLY SAID THE BIGGEST ISSUE, SHE DIDN'T COME FOR A SINGLE PURPOSE POD.

SHE CAME IN AND ESSENTIALLY, IN MY POSITION, SHE IS USING A POD AS THE MECHANISM TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU. BUT IT EXHIBIT B IS REALLY -- BECAUSE EXHIBIT B IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING, WE CAN USE ANY USE THAT THERE IS. OKAY? I BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT RIGHT TO PUT AN RV AND BOTH STORAGE HERE.

I GUARANTEE YOU THAT IT IS WRONG TO AGGREGATE YOUR ABILITY AND DUTY FOR ANY USE OTHER THAN AN RV TO HAVE IT COME BACK HERE. TO SIT HERE AND SAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT AN EXHIBIT B IN THAT SAYS THAT WE CAN USE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUSINESS, COMMERCIAL, OFFICE, PROFESSIONAL, CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS. AND A WHOLE PLETHORA OF USES UNDER THOSE, WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A MAJOR MODEL. THAT IS WRONG, AND IT'S WRONG FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. NUMBER ONE IS IT IS AGGREGATING YOUR DUTY.

NUMBER TWO, IF THEY HAVE THAT ABILITY THAT MEANS IT AGGREGATES EVERYONE'S ABILITY TO SPEAK AND TO CHALLENGE WHATEVER THAT IS, INCLUDING 60,000 THAT CAN BE STANDING IN FRONT OF A NEW STATE SUBDIVISION. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY, I HAVE A FEW SECONDS HERE, IS I SAID THAT A PUTTER SHOULD BE USED FOR TRANSITION.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS AND OH ARE OUR TWO AND THE TRANSITION IS TO RURAL CIVIL CULTURE. EVERYTHING TO THE WEST IS RURAL CIVIL CULTURE.

THIS IS GOING TO -- HAVE A FEW MORE SECONDS TO TIE UP.

THANK YOU, SIR. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO TRANSITIONAL, WE DON'T START NEXT TO THE RURAL CIVIL CULTURE AND START PUTTING COMMERCIAL THERE.

YOU START ON THE OTHER END, SO WE'RE AT THE END OF THE LINE HERE.

THIS IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE TO PUT SOME TYPE OF TRANSITIONAL OR COMMERCIAL USE NEXT TO THE STATE LOTS. AS MR. CHAMPION SIDE, AND HAS A PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> MARGARET REEVES?

>> I. MARGARET RAVES, 34 65 ROLLER STAND ROAD.

WHICH IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM CABBAGE HAMMOCK. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 27 YEARS AND I AGREE WITH EVERYONE ELSE THAT WE WANT TO KEEP IT COUNTRY OUT THERE.

ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL BUSINESS WILL BRING IN MORE TRAFFIC, I SEE FAMILIES WALKING THEIR CHILDREN, WALKING THEIR DOGS. PUSHING THE BABIES IN THE STROLLERS.

I SEE KIDS ON THE CORNERS, CATCHING A BOSSES, BEING DROPPED OFF WITH BUSES.

I THINK IT BRINGS DANGER TO OUR AREA. IT WILL DRIVE OUT THE WILD LIFE, I JUST WANT TO KEEP IT THE SAME. I DON'T WANT CHANGES, I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE ST. AUGUSTINE. ALL BUILT UP, AND CROWDED, AND BUSY, AND CRAZY.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT HAS BECOME. KEEP THE COMMERCIAL ON STATE ROAD 16, NOT ON ARE TO AWAIT AREA. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.

THANK YOU. >> ROBERT LAMBERT. GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANKS FOR GIVING US THE CHANCE TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS ROBERT LAMBERT, I AM A REPRESENTATIVE OF CETA CONSTRUCTION. AND WE ARE THE HOME BUILDER ACROSS THE STREET. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT IT WILL DO TO THE VALUE OF OUR COMMUNITY. THE FIRST YOUNG LADY WHO GOT UP AND SPOKE TALKED ABOUT AN APPRAISAL, BUT I CAN GIVE YOU A PRICE. THESE HOMES ARE GOING FOR UP TO 850,000. THESE ARE STATE LOTS, ONE AND A HALF TO ALMOST TWO ACRES EACH.

THE HOMEOWNERS ARE RETIREES, YOUNG FAMILIES, LOOKING TO LIVE IN THE WOODS.

TO BUILD THEIR DREAM HOME. THE SCENARIO I AM IMAGINING OUR STORAGE FACILITIES, IN DOWNTOWN

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GETTING READY FOR FISHING. AND THE BEST TIME TO GO IS THREE IN THE MORNING, SO OUT THERE WITH YOUR FRIENDS. YOU'RE PLAYING MUSIC, YOU'RE WASHING OFF YOUR BOAT.

AND YOU ARE GETTING READY FOR THE DAY, YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD DAY.

THIS IS GOING TO BE SMACK DAB IN A PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE THESE YOUNG FAMILIES AND RETIREES WITH THEIR BEDROOM FACING THE WOODS. AND THEY HEAR BEEP, BEEP, BEEP.

ALL MORNING LAW. WHICH IS MORE ANNOYING THAN MY VOICE, PROBABLY.

SO WE STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS. WE THINK IT'S GOING TO DIMINISH THE VALUE OF THE HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY. AND IF I COULD, COULD I FLASH OUT -- SO THIS RANGE HERE IS -- HERE IS 208, RIGHT HERE. THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE SEPTIC FIELD RIGHT HERE. AND RIGHT HERE ACROSS THIS 20 FOOT ROAD IS A LOT ONE AND A LOT TO. AND IT IS A VERY SMALL, 20 FOOT ROAD.

THIS PLAN WAS THOUGHT OUT IN A WAY THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED -- THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> OKAY. MR. TAYLOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO OFFER SOME --

>> I'M GOING TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS. I UNDERSTAND FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEY DO HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THAT. AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT IF WE COULD HAVE TALKED TO THEM BEFORE, OR WHATEVER. BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH LIMITING THIS TO THE STORAGE. WE CAN WRITE THAT INTO THE CODE.

TWO OF THE REPRESENTATIVES ARE FROM THE COMPANY AND WE CERTAINLY KNOW SANDY CREEK, AND ALL THAT AREA. I'VE JUST PUT THIS MAP, UP WE DO THIS MAP TO SHOW THE PEOPLE WE ARE IN SUPPORT. THEY HAD SENT IN LETTERS. I THOUGHT THIS WOULD SHOW THEIR LOT VERY SPECIFICALLY. NONE OF THEIR LOTS ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE MR. LAMBERT GOT HIS INFORMATION, BUT THEY ARE NOT DIRECTLY ACROSS. IF I CAN GO BACK TO MY PRESENTATION PLAYS.

ALSO, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT A PR DAY VERSUS A P YOU DAY.

HE ALREADY IS A PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE CORRECT ABOUT THAT.

AP TODAY IS NOT A PLAN URBAN DEVELOPMENT, IT'S A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

AND UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION, THE RESIDENTIAL SEAT, YOU HAVE TO DO A PG.

YOU CANNOT DO ANY KIND OF REZONING FOR THAT IN ORDER TO DO ANY COMMERCIAL.

IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMERCIAL GENERAL.

SO IT'S NOT AN URBAN THING FOR THAT. THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET -- YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THAT FIRST LOT STARTS.

I AM KIND OF SHOWING THAT. IF YOU NOTICE HOW THOSE COME DOWN, IT IS PROBABLY HERE WHEN THEY GET THE PR DE. IT IS DONE AND THEY DEVELOP TO LESS THAN 20% OF THE SITE, IN

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GENERALLY IN THE COUNTY CODE, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE RESIDENCES ALONG A ROADWAY.

WE USED TO CALL THOSE, THERE WERE A LOT ALONG THERE IN THE OLDEN DAYS.

THEY CHANGE THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. WHEN THEY DID THAT PR DAY, THEY HAD TO HAVE SOME SPECIAL PROVISION FOR THAT. THEY ALSO HAD A SPECIAL PROVISION OUGHT TO HAVE WATER OR SEWER. THE INTER OF WELLS AND SEPTIC TANKS. YES, WE WILL HAVE A SEPTIC TANK.

AND THE SEPTIC TANK AREA IS FOR A SMALL OFFICE IN THE ONE MOBILE HOME.

IT IS NOWHERE NEAR THE OTHER HOUSES. BUT WE WILL HAVE A FIRE HYDRANT, WHICH THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED TO PUT IN. THAT WILL COME TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA. THE REASON THERE IS 20 LOTS IS BECAUSE THE LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT IS WHAT THEY COULD GET OUT OF THAT PIECE. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT, IF SOMEBODY PASSES BY. POSSIBLY WE COULD GO AHEAD AND ADD A TURNAROUND AREA CASE THEY MISSED THE ACCESS. THAT WOULD BE ON OUR PIECE.

THAT DRIVEWAY WOULD JUST END. SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. WE DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE LIGHTS ALL NIGHT LONG, OR WHATEVER. THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS TO.

AS I SAID, THIS IS ALLOWED. THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL USES.

I'VE DONE IT BEFORE, THEY ARE ALLOWED IN O R BY RIGHT. YOU CAN ALSO HAVE VETERINARY CLINICS, DAYCARE. YOU CAN HAVE SCHOOLS, YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

THEY FELT THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD USE FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE.

AND AGAIN, WE ARE WILLING TO -LIMITED. THEY DON'T WANT TO AFFECT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS NOT A REAL ROAD. WE ARE WILLING TO MAKE SOME CONCESSIONS. WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

THEY ALL HAD WAITING LISTS. >> YES, MY CLIENT DID THIS. ONE OF THE LETTERS WAS WRITTEN, THEY HAD CALLED AROUND AND THERE WAS SPACE AVAILABLE. IN JANUARY, I WAS CALLING AROUND FOR IT. I CALLED THREE, AND THEY ALL HAD SPACE AVAILABLE.

>> THAT VARIES WITH TIME. AGAIN, WE STARTED THIS LAST FALL.

THAT'S HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GO THROUGH THAT. AT THAT TIME, CERTAINLY THERE WAS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE CHECKED BACK.

IT COMES AND GOES, BUT IF ANYTHING ALL THAT WOULD MEAN IS --

OKAY, THANK YOU. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY. I DON'T THINK THIS IS

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IF YOU GO FURTHER DOWN TO THE EAST, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. MAYBE THIS IS WHERE IT SHOULD

GO, AND IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE EITHER. >> THANK YOU.

IT'S STATES THAT IT IS REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF, AND SUBJECT PROPERTY LOCATED IN AN AREA THAT IS PRIMARILY RURAL IN CHARACTER. IT PERMITS AGRICULTURAL USES.

IT GOES ON LATER, I WROTE THIS DOWN. IT SAYS THE POLICY IS 8.1 TIMES -- AND IN DENSITY ZONE A AND B, THE DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL USES ARE PURSUANT TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. LOOKING AT THIS, LOOKING AT THE AERIAL PHOTOS AND HAVING BEEN OUT TO THAT AREA NUMEROUS TIMES, I DO NOT FIND THIS COMPATIBLE AT ALL WITH THE AREA. AS SOMEBODY POINTED OUT, THE NEAREST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS OVER A MILE AWAY. I DON'T FIND IT COMPATIBLE. YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN AGREEING WITH ME. I THINK THAT THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE IS -- IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT THE 16,000 SQUARE FEET WOULD RECOMMEND THAT.

IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL COMPATIBLE. WHAT SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? T WAS AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.

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WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS VERY COMMON. IF YOU LOOK AT AN AERIAL ON ROSCOE, YOU CAN GO UP AND DOWN. THERE IS CERTAINLY A LOT OF STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY

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IF WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING POOL THERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IF YOU ARE UP CLOSE, IT LOOKS LIKE A LARGER STRUCTURE. THEY HAVE EXTENDED THAT OUT TO WHERE THE SHARES ARE.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SEE IT, THERE IS A BIG HEDGE ROAD THERE.

THEY HAVE THE HOMES RIGHT ON THE WATER, THE POOLS RIGHT ON THE WATER.

THEY HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PIECE. LOOKING ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THE POOL DECK AREA. THERE'S JUST A LITTLE MORE POOL SPACE, THIS IS A DRAWING TO SHOW YOU THERE. SO THAT IS ABOUT IT. YOU SHOWED THE DITCH, DO YOU

MEAN THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY? >> YES SIR. AS MANY FOLKS THAT LIVE OUT THERE AFFECTIONATELY REFERRED TO IT AS. THE OWNERS GOT AWAY WITH IT ENCROACHMENT OF THE PAPERS. IT IS AT LEAST 100 THAT YOU HAVE.

THEY'VE GOT THE PHYSICAL DOCK STRUCTURE COMING ACROSS THE LAND, WHERE CAN EXTRA SMOTHER SURFACE. WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

HENRY? IT IS 22, 28. ANY DISCUSSION?

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YES, I DROVE MY THE PROPERTY YESTERDAY. SEVERAL TIMES.

I PARKED ACROSS THE ROAD FROM IT. >> HI, I'M IS CAROL RAYBURN.

21 COKIE NOTE BOULEVARD. >> IS THAT YOUR PRESENTATION? >> SORRY.

THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ON THE COASTAL HIGHWAY. THERE ARE THE PLANS.

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THIS HAS LED TO A REQUEST FOR THIS VARIANCE. THE DUP HAS LIMITS TO THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSE DUE TO THE ANCHORS OF THE SEAWALL. THE PLACEMENT WAS UPON THE DIRECTION OF -- AND THE SIX FOOT STEP BACK IS NEEDED FOR THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSE. THIS HAS RECOMMENDED A 20 FOOT DISTANCE TO THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSE. INSTEAD OF COUNTY TAN, DUE TO THE ANCHORING OF THE SEAWALL.

THIS IS THE NEXT 15 YEARS. THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE CODE WITHOUT THE VARIANCE GOES AGAINST THE CODE OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. WE NEED TO MOVE IT FARTHER FROM THE JUNE. WE ARE MAINTAINING CONTINUITY WITH A MAINTAINING PROPERTIES.

THEY HAVE APPROVED THEIR VARIANCE ALSO. >> I WILL PUT HOURS TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THIS ALLOWS VEHICLES TO EXIT 40 4:12.

THIS ALLOWS A GOOD LINE OF SIGHT FOR THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

THEY WILL MAINTAIN THE ALIGNMENT OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

THE SIX FOOT STEP BACK WOULD ALLOW FOR -- DUE TO THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE FRONT STEP BACKS. IT WILL ENHANCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS MANY PARTIES THAT ARE INVOLVED. THAT IS WHAT OUR LAND LOOKS LIKE NOW.

>> YOU HAVE ON THIS PROPERTY FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. I DID LOOK IT UP ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS. I DID SEE THAT, AND WHAT Y'ALL PAID FOR IT.

LET'S JUST SAY SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO. YOU ARE IN A REALLY TOUGH AREA FOR EROSION. AND APPROVALS WERE MADE BY THE DCA.

ONE OF WHICH WAS PASSED BY 5 TO 1 VOTE. THERE ARE OTHER ONES IN THE VICINITY. 40 TO 32, THOSE ARE ABOUT TWO MILES SOUTH OF WHERE YOUR PROPERTY IS. AND MY NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH, HE HAD A VARIANCE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CODES WERE OR HOW IT WAS BEING DONE, BUT HE WAS 15 FEET AND LIKELY ARE. SO WE'RE ALL IN A LINE AT THAT 15 FEET.

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THIS IS A REALLY TOUGH DECISION. WERE OTHER VARIANCE IS 15 FOOT, THE STEP BACKS HAVE BEEN GRANTED. THEY WERE PLAN TO DEAL WITH THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSE.

I'M VERY SAD ABOUT IT, FRANKLY. I WANTED TO ASK THE STAFF THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION.

IT SAYS THAT THE APPLICATION FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPOSED FAMILY HOME WOULD BE IN THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION LINE. I KNOW THAT IS ALLOWED.

THE HOMES ARE LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN THE COASTAL CONTROL LINE.

IF IT DOESN'T TAKE TOO LONG. I JUST FELT I HAD TO GO OUT AND LOOK.

I AM SHOCKED AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE BEACH RIGHT THERE.

IT WAS TWO MILES AWAY NOW, TWO MILES SOUTH WHERE THERE'S A LOT MORE BEACH.

UNTIL YOU GET DOWN PAST THERE, THE BEACH IS NARROW. IT IS JUST GONE RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW, THANK YOU. MISS RAYBURN, THE TWO FOOT

VARIANTS ON THE SIDE, IS IT ON BOTH SIDES ARE JUST ONE SIDE? >> BOTH SIDES.

IT SAYS THAT THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION LINE IS ON THE WEST SIDE.

THE COASTAL CONTROL LINE IS ALL OVER THERE. FOR THE MOST PART, CANCER.

I LOOK AT THIS MAP, YES. THAT IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD.

IT MEANS THAT HER HOUSE IS BEING BUILT SEAWARD OF THE PRIMARY --

THEORETICALLY IT WOULD EXIST TODAY. >> THEORETICALLY.

WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER GUARDS? IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? THAT MOTION PASSES 5 TO 1.

[4. CPA(SS) 2023-02 McCrary Family]

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THAT IS MY CONCERN. I THINK THAT'S GREAT, I USED TO LIVE ON 13 ACRES THAT WERE SUB DIVIDED INTO TWO PIECES. AND AFTER TALKING TO FOLKS IN THE COUNTY, IT WAS TOO MUCH OF A LIFT. I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE IS SOME WAY TO LOOK AT THIS AS A

TYPE OF -- >> I WILL ADDRESS PART OF YOUR COMMENT.

I LIKE IN THIS FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING AN EXAMPLE, IT IS LIKE IF IN THE REST OF THE COUNTY PASSED A LEASH LAW. EVERYONE HAS TO HAVE THE DOG ON A LEASH.

YOU HAVE TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN, THAT BECAUSE IT'S A LEGISLATIVE MATTER.

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IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S OWNED THE LAND FOR 15 YEARS, IT IS FROM A PRESIDENT STANDPOINT.

WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TELLING THAT TO THE STAFF, OR OTHER THAN ME.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR MOTIONS.

>> THIS IS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. I REALLY WANT TO MCCREARY'S SHORE HAVE THIS BUT -- THE MINIMUM WHAT SIZE IS -- FOR THE DESTINATION.

HIS POLICY SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED TO PRESENT -- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING WITHIN DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARIES. HOW WOULD YOU LOOK AT THE APPLICABILITY OF THOSE TWO? TO THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE. DOES IT NOT APPLY? MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THIS.

THAT EIGHT POINT 1.6, IT'S SAYS -- I AM ASSUMING THOSE TWO ON THE

PREVIOUS PAGE OR REQUIREMENTS OF THIS PLAN. >> YES SIR, THAT'S PART OF IT.

IT PROVIDES FOR ALL PROPERTY OWNERS TO HAVE THAT ABILITY. WE SEE THAT ON THE AMENDMENT, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. WE TALK ABOUT POLICY A 1 TO 5, SOME OF THOSE THINGS MAY COME INTO PLAY. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IT IS POLICY THAT IS MORE SPECIFIC. WHICH IT SAYS WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT WHERE EXISTING FACILITIES EXIST. AND THOSE TYPES OF SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENTS, OR URBAN TYPE DEVELOPMENT. WHEN THEY OCCUR. AND I AND OUR ASTRONAUT CONSIDERATE DEVELOPMENT AREAS RIGHT NOW, UNDER CONFERENCING PLAN.

SO THE A I AND RSV AS IT NATIONS, THE IRISH DESIGNATION REQUIRES THE 40 ACRES TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP ONE HOUSE. WE ALSO PROVIDE FOR SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THAT PARTICULAR RULE.

PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT BE OUT THERE, ALREADY PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 14TH, 1990, THE ADOPTION OF OUR PLAN.

THE, THOSE PROPERTIES, UNFORTUNATELY THIS PROPERTY,

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TO CORRECT THAT AND MAKE THAT AVAILABLE, THEY HAVE TO DO THIS

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> WHEN WE LOOK AT -- THE LAST SENTENCE SAYS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS SHALL BE DISCOURAGED UNLESS THE -- PRIDE'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT JOB CREATION, PRESERVATION AND NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, SHOULD MEET THAT CRITERIA, SHOULD INTO?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU.

I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS, UNFORTUNATELY.

JUST FOR THAT REASON. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, LET'S REGISTERED TO VOTE.

DID SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION? >> YES.

>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A.

AND YOU. I THOUGHT WE HAD, IT YOU MADE ME QUESTION MYSELF. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA REGISTER TO VOTE, IF YOU CAN PUT IT UP, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT, SO, THAT MOTION ENDS AND THE 3 TO 3 TIE, SO, I'M

LOOKING FOR ANOTHER MOTION. >> CAN I COMMENT ON THE

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? >> SURE.

>> THE THING I WOULD COMMENT ABOUT, THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON, YOU GO BACK AND LOOK I, I PULL UP THE AGENDA PACKAGE FOR -- THIS WAS THE ONE THAT WAS OFF OF -- THE AREA WHERE U.S. ONE IS, I GP COME OVER TO 1000 GO SOUTH, SOUTH BY A MILE AND A HALF, IT BECOMES A BRICK ROAD, GOES BACK

DOWN. >> IF YOU'RE GONNA ARGUE

PRECEDENT -- >> NO, SIR.

>> YOU'RE GONNA COUNTER MAN YOURSELF.

>> NO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW SMALL SCALE MOMENTS I'VE BEEN TREATED IN THE PAST, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SMALL SCALE, IT IS SMALL SCALE. SO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW THEY WERE TREATED IN THE PAST, A LOT OF THE JUSTIFICATION WHERE YOU HAVE THE ECONOMIC STUDY AND ALL OF THE EXTENSIVE REPORTING, FOR THE MOST PART, IT IS A LARGE-SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENVIRONMENT WHERE HE DID THOSE TINGS TO JUSTIFY THE ECONOMICS OF IT. I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS A SITUATION WHERE IN REALITY YOU HAVE THE HOMEOWNERSHIP, EXCUSE, ME LAND OWNERSHIP, CERTAINLY FOR -- HOMEOWNERSHIP, THAT PREDATES ZONING, IT PREDATES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT PREDATES LAND DEVELOPMENT.

FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THAT'S THE THING I'M ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER. IT WASN'T TAKEN INTO EFFECT OR ACCOUNT OF WHAT THE FAMILIES LONG TERM INTENT WOULD'VE BEEN.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE [INAUDIBLE]. ANYONE?

MEGAN? >> [INAUDIBLE].

>> ALL RIGHT, MEGAN HAS MADE A MOTION FOR DENIAL, OUR SECOND.

[Items 6 & 7]

>> ALL RIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEMS SIX AND SEVEN.

WE PLAN ON HEARING THOSE TOGETHER.

I THINK TOM INGRAHAM IS MAKING THE PRESENTTION.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE -- IN REGARD TO ITEM SEVEN?

HENRY? >> I SPOKE WITH TOM THIS

MORNING. >> ELVIS?

>> I ALSO SPOKE WITH TOM. .

>> ALL RIGHT, MEGAN? >> I GOT AN EMAIL FROM TOM LAST

NIGHT. >> OKAY.

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I PREVIOUSLY DROVE BY THE SITE. >> OKAY.

>> AND TOM AND I HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MERITS OF THIS PROPOSAL THE NIGHT BEFORE OR EVENING BEFORE LAST.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, I'M TOM INGRAHAM, -- JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

AND I'M HERE WITH MY CLIENT, COMMUNITY SPACED IN BIRMINGHAM.

THEY DO MANY OF THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT I'LL BE SHOWING YOU TODAY. THE LAND OWNERS ARE MEMBERS OF THE CARROLL FAMILY, NOT RELATED, I DON'T THINK, TO THE CAROLS WE'RE DISCUSSING. MIKE AND TRISHA CARROLL, TRISH WORKED HERE AT THE COUNTY AND THE BUILDING SERVICES GROUP FOR MANY YEARS, RETIRED RECENTLY. MIKE CARROLL AND THE CARROLL FAMILY OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR MANY DECADES.

AND OBVIOUSLY, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE IN THE AREA, THEY LIVED THERE. ALSO WITH ME IS REGIME AND MIKE STOPS TALLER AND DAVIS MAXWELL. SO, THIS, AND RED, IT IS A SIGHT HERE. WE ARE AT, WE'RE JUST TO THE WEST, THE INTERSECTION OF INTERNATIONAL PARKWAY, STATE 16. THIS AREA IS A LITTLE DATED, AND A LOT OF CHANGE IN THE AREA. THE SITE IS SHOWN WITH THE STAR THERE, THE CURRENT ZONING, IT'S AN OPEN WORLD ZONING, A BIT OF A HOLE IN THE DONUT, THEY HAVE EVERYTHING FROM THE KING AND THE BEAR WORLD COMMERCE HONOR, WORLD GOLF VILLAGE, AND SILVERLEAF AROUND US AS WELL AS MARIBA.

. AND HERE'S THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IT CURRENTLY HAS A RESIDENCY DESIGNATION, ALLOW SIX UNITS AN ACRE. ALLOWS COMMERCIAL USES AS WELL.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE SURROUNDING USES.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COMMONLY COMES UP BY THE PUBLIC'S WHY ARE WE CHANGING THIS? WHY ARE WE EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT? IT'S BEEN SITE, WE'VE BEEN PLANNING, THE REALITY IS THAT FOR WELL OVER 20 YEARS NOW, THE COUNTY HAS RELIED ON INDIVIDUAL LANDOWNERS TO REQUEST CHANGES TO THEIR PROPERTIES COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION. THE COUNTY DOES NOT INITIATE LAND USE CHANGES TO PLAN FOR GROWTH.

THAT MIGHT CHANGE WITH THE SEARS LEGISLATION THAT I BELIEVE PASSED LAST NIGHT. THAT WILL REQUIRE COUNTIES TO PLAN FOR GROWTH FOR AT LEAST A TEN-YEAR PLANNING PERIOD.

SO, WE MAY SEE SOME CHANGES ON THAT SCORE.

THE PRACTICE FOR WELL OVER 20 YEARS IS THAT THE COUNTY WAITS TO RECEIVE APPLICATIONS. I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THAT IS WHY WE STILL HAVE SOME UNDEVELOPED LAND AROUND THIS PARTICULAR AREA. THE LAND OWNERS HAD NOT YET DECIDED TO SEEK AN AMENDMENT. THIS IS THE TYPE OF COMMUNITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS ONE OF THE COTTAGES DEVELOPMENTS. THESE ARE PICTURES OF IT RECENTLY COMPLETED, THE COTTAGES DEVELOPMENT IN VALATIE COUNTY. BUT IT INCLUDES A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES, SINGLE FAMILY, DUPLEX, AND THEN IN OUR CASE WE ARE PROPOSING A THREE-STORY MULTI FAMILY BUILDING IN THE CENTER OF THE PROJECT, IT'LL HAVE SOME LOW RISE SMALLER HOMES AROUND IT. IT IS A VERY COMMUNITY ORIENTED, IT'S INTENDED TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS, TO MEET THEIR NEIGHBORS, TO BE WALKABLE, AND IT'S A GOOD FIT WITH THIS AREA BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU CAN WALK TOO. HERE'S THE SITE PLAN.

SO, THE THREE STORY AREA THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THE LASER BEAM. IT'S THE U SHAPE IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN YOU HAVE HERE YOU ARE LOWER ONE INTO STORY PRODUCT AROUND THE EDGES, THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE OFF 16, WE WOULD PROVIDE A DIESEL LANE, MEANING D.O.T. STANDARDS.

IT'S A FOUR LANE DIVIDED -- IN FRONT OF THE ENTRANCE.

IN ADDITION, WE SHOULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUFFERING.

WHAT WOULD YOU, SEE YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT DENSITY, COMPATIBILITY, WHAT WILL YOU AS A RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY SAY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORS? FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS A 75 FOOT SCENIC EDGE ALONG THE SITE.

THAT WILL HAVE GREENERY AND THE LIKE.

THE AMENITIES CENTER IS UP TO THE FRONT.

THERE'S POTENTIALLY TWO BUILDINGS THERE TO THE RIGHT OF

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WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS NOT A WHOLE LOT.

PARTICULARLY IN COMPARISON TO THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE OCCURRING IN THE AREA. HERE IS THE TABLE, IT'S HERE IF WE NEED TO GO BACK TO, IT'S 232 UNITS, THERE ARE NO WEAPONS IMPACTS, THERE'S A SURFACE -- ON THE SIDE, LIKE A CATTLE PONDER SOMETHING THAT WILL BE IMPACTED.

BUT THERE ARE NO IMPACTS ON THE SIDE, WILL PROVIDE THE 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE AS WELL ON THE OTHER NEIGHBOR BOUNDARIES.

WE'RE NOT SEEKING ANY WAIVERS AS PART OF THIS.

THIS IS JUST A BLOWN UP AREA, IT CONTEMPLATES THE 35 FOOT PERIMETER, THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE AROUND THE EDGE.

AND THEN THE LOWER RISE PRODUCT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. HERE'S THE SOUTHERN AREA, JUST SHOWN AGAIN, THE WIDTH OF THE BUFFERING ALONG STATE WAY 16.

HERE IS THE DIESEL LANE THAT WE DISCUSSED.

OKAY, THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE TYPES OF COTTAGES, WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT TYPE OF PRODUCT I'M TALKING ABOUT WOULD-BE AROUND THE THREE STORY BUILDING.

COMMUNITY AMENITIES, HIGHLY AMENITIES CENTER, IT'S INTENDED TO APPEAL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE AT ALL LIFE STAGES, YOUNG AND OLD, MIDDLE AGED, EMPTY-NESTERS, AND THE LIKE, HAVE A FULL LOUNGE AREA, JIM, IT EVEN HAS A DOG WASH, I SKIPPED THAT PICTURE.

BUT IT'S A NICE PRODUCT. ALL REVISIT THAT AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION. JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME BIGGER PICTURE, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S AROUND THE SITE, SOMETIMES WE GET A LITTLE MYOPIC AND TALK ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT TO THE SITE. THIS AREA HAS SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE, AT LEAST OVER MY BRIEF TIME HERE AS A LAND USE ATTORNEY THAT MOST OF THE AREA IN 99.

BACK THEN, JUST, YOU KNOW, 24 YEARS AGO, THE VILLAGES FAIRLY NEW, OR IS A NEW INTERCHANGE THERE, -- HAD JUST BEEN ANNOUNCED AS A POTENTIAL PROJECT.

SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, THE, I -- WAS DEVELOPED IN THE MID 2000S, YOU HAVE SILVERLEAF NOW COMING ONLINE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS, WORLD COMMERCE CENTER WAS NOT APPROVED UNTIL MUCH AFTER THAT. NOW, YOU CAN SEE THE SUCCESS OF THE WORLD CALMER CENTER, IT'S BRINGING -- TO THE AREA, BRINGING RETAIL THAT HAD ONCE BEEN INSANE JOHNSTOWN CENTER, IRAN IGME, WAY UP IN DUVAL, WE'RE BRINGING THAT STUFF DOWN HERE, MUCH CLOSER TO THE PEOPLE.

THERE'S TWO WAYS TO SOLVE TRAFFIC.

ONE IS TO BUILD MORE ROADS AND BUILD MORE LANES, THE OTHERS TO PUT PEOPLE CLOSER TO THE STUFF THEY NEED.

THIS SITE IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE RESIDENTS LIVING CLOSE ENOUGH TO WHERE THEY COULD WALK ON A GOOD DAY, I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE ALL GONNA START WALKING ALL THE TIME.

IT IS MUCH CLOSER TO ALL VARIETY OF ACTIVITIES AND THINGS THEY WOULD NEED, WHETHER SHOPPING, HEALTH CARE, JIM, DINING, WHAT HAVE YOU. THE ONLY PLACE I CAN THINK OF IS ACROSS FROM THE PUBLIC. THIS SLIDE SHOWS SOME OF THE RELATIVE CONCERN, AS I'M ABOUT PRESERVING WILD SPACES.

WE HAVE A DECENT NUMBER OF THOSE AREAS, THE 12 MILE SWAMP, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO IN MY BRIEF TIME, IT'S 20,000 ACRES. IT'S NOT MUCH BEFORE THAT IN THE 80S. SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS AROUND HERE, MORE, VARIOUS FLAVORS ON THE GULF VILLAGE, DIFFERENT NAMES NOW. AND HERE IS AN AERIAL, THIS IS MORE RECENT. WE HAVE K THROUGH A AT THE ACADEMY AND THE HIGH SCHOOL, OPENED UP JUST OVER A YEAR AGO, I BELIEVE. WALKING DISTANCE TO THE SITE, ON THE SIDEWALK, ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET, NO NEED TO CROSS STREETS TO GET THERE. THERE'S ALSO SOME RETAIL COMING ON JUST TO THE SOUTHEAST OF OUR SITE THAT'S UNDER HORIZONTAL CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. THIS IS LOOKING AGAIN TOWARDS MIRABEL AREA, JUST TO TRY TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR OF WHAT IS THE USE IN THE AREA. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS OF IF IT'S EARL, IF IT'S URBAN. THIS HAS BECOME A NATURE TOWN

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THERE IS A CVS NEXT TO WALGREENS.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT JUST GOES ON AND ON.

IT'S BEEN A REAL WIN. AND HERE'S ANOTHER VIDEO OF THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE A RECENTLY OPENED WORLD COMMERCE CENTER APARTMENTS THAT ARE SEPARATE RIGHT NOW.

I BELIEVE THEY'RE AROUND 70% LEAST, BUT IT'S THREE STORY BUILDINGS THERE. THERE'S SOME AERIALS AT THE WORLD CALMER CENTER THERE. THE LEFT IS SHOWING WHERE THEY ARE, THE RIGHT IS A BIRD'S-EYE VIEW.

AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE BIG BLOCKS IN THE MIDDLE IS THE NEW PUBLICS WHERE YOU CAN ALSO GET A GLASS OF WINE.

THIS WILL HELP SHOW YOU AGAIN THE RELATIVE DISTANCE.

ABOUT A 17 MINUTE WALK. 12 MINUTES TO THE PHARMACY, 15 MINUTES TO SILVERLEAF PARKWAY. FIVE MINUTE DRIVE TO THE WORLD COMMERCE HONOR. SO, I WAS GONNA ASK TO COME AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND WILL HAVE A FEW OTHER COMMENTS, JUST TO SAY, I KNOW A LOT OF THE NARRATIVE IS THAT THERE IS NO HOPE IN SIGHT, THERE'S NO -- COMING IN THE AREA, WE WANT TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE COMING. I SWEAR, I AM NOT THE ONE THAT PUT THE SURVEY FLAGS ALONG STATE ROAD 16 BETWEEN -- AND 95 IN PREPARATION FOR THIS HEARING.

I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT THEY'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THE DESIGN TO WIDEN THAT SECTION, WHICH WE ALL WANT, A COUNTY'S

NUMBER ONE. >> THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU THENKS.

ALSO KNOW THAT THEY'RE DEFICIENT, NOT CAUGHT IN THE DEFICIENCY. HOWEVER, LIKE TOM MENTIONED, A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION, THE DESIGN IS HAPPENING ON -- 16. ONE OF THE MAJOR LINKS THAT'S DEFICIENT FOR THE PROJECT. YOU ALSO HAVE THE IG P, THE INTERNATIONAL COOPERATIVE LINKS THAT ARE IMPACTING THE PROJECT, AS YOU GO FORWARD, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DESIGNING THE SECTION BETWEEN -- AND ALSO THE LINK BETWEEN THE PARKWAY STRAIGHT THROUGH IDP, IT GOES TO STATE ROAD 16. THESE TWO ROADS, AFTER THEY GET DESIGNED IN BELT, WILL RELIEVE THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, AND THE ACTS AS A FACILITY TO 95. A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC USING IT TO GET TO 95 WILL START USING THIS ROAD, THAT PROVIDES A LOT OF -- DEFICIENT ROADWAYS AS WELL.

A MAN, AS YOU LOOK AT THAT, THIS IS A SECTION OF -- SIMILARLY PARKWAY, THAT IS DESIGNED BY THE COUNTY, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS WELL.

THIS ONE SHOWS THE SECTION OF STATE ROAD 16.

AS YOU CAN SEE, ONE SIDE IS BUILT, YOU CAN ALSO FIND IT FOR DESIGNING CONSTRUCTION BY THE COUNTY.

THESE TWO ROADS ARE BASICALLY DESIGNED AND IN FOUR LANES OF ROADWAY. THE INITIAL THOUGHT WAS TWO LANES, BUT THEY'VE DECIDED TO CONSTRUCT FOUR LANES IN THOSE TWO SECTORS. THAT SHOULD HELP WITH TRAFFIC TREMENDOUSLY. THIS ONE SHOWS THE IMPROVEMENT OF 95 AND 16 INTERCHANGE. THIS IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS ANTICIPATED TO HELP THE TRAFFIC OF THAT INTERCHANGE AS THE -- GETS BELT. THIS INTERCHANGE BECOMES CRITICAL AND HAS DESIGNED AND PLANNED FOR THE NEXT 24 YEARS.

THAT SHOULD DEFINITELY HELP THE TRAFFIC ON 16 95 IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE COUNTY IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH A DOD IN TRYING TO IMPROVE THIS SECTION OF -- WE ARE HAVING MAJOR -- THOSE IMPLEMENTS ARE UNDERWAY BY THE COUNTY. AND THEN FINALLY THE FIRST EXPRESSWAY, ONCE THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETE BY D.O.D., A DOD HAS PRODUCED A STUDY TO SHOW THAT THAT PROJECT IS GOING TO LEAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON ROAD 16.

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YOU CAN SEE THAT 16 IS EXPECTED TO LEAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION. THAT SHOWS YOU THAT ROAD 16 IS CURRENTLY BEING DESIGNED BY D.O.D..

>> THERE REALLY ARE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS HAPPENING TO THE AREA. AGAIN, MOST OF YOU HAVE LIVED HERE A WHILE. THERE'S A LOT OF NEW THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN NORTHWEST ST. JOHN'S.

ROADS ARE NOT GENERALLY BUILT, IT'S VERY RARE THAT THEY ARE BUILT IN ADVANCE OF DEMAND. THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T AFFORD THAT, THE D.O.T. CANNOT JUSTIFY IT.

SO NINE A DID NOT COME IN ADVANCE OF -- FOR EXAMPLE, OR SOUTHAMPTON. BUT IT'S HERE AND IT TOOK ABOUT, IT TOOK SOME TIME TO GET THE PLAN AND DESIGN BUT IT DOES HAPPEN, 95 HAS BEEN WIDENED, IG P HAS COME INTO EXISTENCE, OTHER THINGS WILL COME. I WOULD ASK YOU, AS MEMBERS OF THE PCA, YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN SHOULD BE NOT JUST FOR TODAY OR FOR FIVE YEARS, BUT FOR 100 YEARS. SINGLE FAMILY IN PARTICULAR IS THE MOST IMPACTFUL. IF YOU DIVIDE PROPERTY INTO SMALL LOTS OF DIVISION, WHEN I SAY SMALL, IT COULD BE 80, IT'S VERY HARD TO UNDO THAT. THOSE ARE REALLY FINAL DECISIONS WITH SOME OF THESE LARGER TRACKS, LONG TERM, YOU WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO REDEVELOP THEM INTO OTHER USES IN THE FUTURE. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THIS IS ABOUT AN 82 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT WITH A PROP SHARE FEE ESTIMATED AT ABOUT 10,000 A UNIT.

THE IMPACT OF THESE ARE ABOUT 8000 A UNIT.

THIS IS A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT.

WE ARE TALKING, THE TOTAL INVESTMENT IN THIS AREA IS ABOUT $350,000 PER UNIT, WE EXPECT THAT THE RENT AND IS A COMMON QUESTION. WE WILL TRY TO INCLUDE IT, THE RENT IS GOING TO BE AROUND 20 $500 ON AVERAGE BASED ON CURRENT MARKETS. IT IS A MARKET BASED RENT.

THAT COULD CERTAINLY CHANGE. THAT IS THE RANGE WE ARE TARGETING. WE BELIEVE THAT MANY PEOPLE, THERE IS A COUPLE THINGS GOING ON IN THE MARKET HERE.

ONE, OUR INCOMES ARE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE PRICE OF HOUSING, PARTICULARLY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT HOME PRICE RANGES IN THE UPPER THREE HUNDREDS TO FIVE HUNDREDS. YEAH, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE A COMFORTABLE INCOME THAT CAN PAY A DECENT AMOUNT OF RENT. THIS CAN HELP MEET THAT MIDDLE THAT WAS ONCE MET BY ENTRY LEVEL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WHEN I WAS A YOUNGER PERSON. DESPITE COMPARISON AT 100 20% OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME, TWO BEDROOM, THE MAXIMUM THAT THEY COULD SPEND TO NOT EXCEED 30% OF THEIR INCOME IS ABOUT 20 $259 RIGHT NOW THIS IS TO PROVIDE A NICE PRODUCT, AGAIN, THAT SINGLE FAMILIES ARE NOT MEETING.

SAINT JOHN COUNTY HOME PRICES ARE EXCEEDING THOSE OF THE UNITED STATES ON AVERAGE. YOU CAN SEE THE RED LINE ABOVE, WE ARE NOW AT OVER 500,000 BASED ON THE ZILLOW HOME VALUE INDEX, TRYING TO LOOK AT AN AVERAGE OF ALL HOME VALUES EVERY TIME USING THEIR ALGORITHMS. . MORTGAGE RATES ARE NOW AT OVER 7%. WE OFTEN HAVE IN SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS USED AS A BASIS FOR COMPARISON THE MORTGAGE RATES OF A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BACK WHEN THEY WERE THREE, 2%.

THE LONG TERM, THIS SLIDE SHOWS, WE SHOULD NOT BE PLANNING FOR 3% MORTGAGES IT IS SEVEN, MAYBE AT THE HIGH-END AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL COME DOWN TO AROUND FIVE OR THE UPPER FORCE.

THE IDEA THAT EVERYONE IS GOING DAD'S HOUSE, GO TO COLLEGE, AND THEN BY 500,000 DOLLAR SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. ONE OF OUR GREATEST ASSETS IN THIS COUNTY IS OUR HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES AND WE ARE NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH HOUSING FOR THEM. THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY THE SOLUTION BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A SHORTAGE OF HOUSING, THE SOLUTION IS TO ADD MORE HOUSING. IT CAN BE MORE HIGH-END, SO THAT THE PEOPLE IN LESS EXPENSIVE HOMES, THEY CAN BE IN THE ADVANCE YOUR OWN CAN DO THAT.

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IT IS LESS THAN HALF WHAT IT WAS. HERE'S A LITTLE AREA OF A SITE THAT CAPSTONE DID IN HUNTSVILLE, ALABAMA. RECENTLY COMPLETED WITH -- REAL QUICK BEFORE ABOUT 30 SECONDS AND THEN WE WILL MOVE ON.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO HIT PLAY ON YOUR SIDE. DOMINIC? HELLO? ♪ ♪ ♪ SORRY ABOUT THE MUSIC.

I DON'T KNOW. THE ARCHITECTS THEY WORK WITH REALLY LIKE THE OPEN STYLE, MORE WALKABLE, MORE COMMUNITY ORIENTED TO ENCOURAGE COMMUNITY INTERACTION.

YOU TALK ABOUT OTHERS, THERE IS JUST A -- DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS CAN HELP THAT. THAT IS JUST AN IDEA OF THE STYLE AND FLAVOR OF THE PRODUCT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT, I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER ITS LOCATION IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.

THE URBAN DENSER DEVELOPMENT IS APPROPRIATE AT THIS LOCATION. CERTAINLY, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY. BUT THIS HAS BECOME A MAJOR TOWN CENTER. WE HAVE OTHER MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA AS WELL. WE TALK A LOT HERE ABOUT COMPATIBILITY AND PEOPLE JUST SAY IT AS IF WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT MEANS. THERE ARE TWO ISSUES, CAN COMPATIBILITY AND DENSITY. COMPATIBILITY SHOULD BE WITH REGARDS TO THE USE.

THIS IS A PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USE, THE SURROUNDING, IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING USES ARE RESIDENTIAL USES. THE RESIDENTS SLEEP, EAT, LEAVE, HAVE THEIR FAMILIES.

I CAN GET MY HAIR STANDING UP WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HOW ONE RESIDENTIAL USE WOULD BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH ANOTHER PRESIDENTIAL USE. THERE'S BEEN A SORDID HISTORY OF USING ZONING TO SEGREGATE PEOPLE. I HOPE NOT TO BE PART OF THAT.

THE RESIDENTS HERE WILL BE JUST AS GOOD A RESIDENTS AS EVERY OTHER RESIDENTS.

IT WILL BE A VERY NICE COMMUNITY. IT IS FRANKLY -- YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE NICE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE TO EVERYONE, BUT IT WILL PROVIDE THAT NICE MIDDLE AND THAT IS MISSING FROM OUR MARKET TODAY.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> RICHARD?

>> TOM, I APPRECIATE YOUR SOCIAL COMMENTARY THERE AT THE END, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY GOOD, WELL RECEIVED. BUT YOU MAY BE SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO THIS PROPERTY BEING DEVELOPED AS POTENTIALLY AS RED SEA.

BUT I AM OPPOSED TO IT BEING DEVELOPED AS RES-D. WHY IS YOUR CLIENTS NOT CONTENT

TO DEVELOP THIS AS RES-C? WHICH THEY COULD DO NOW. >> SO THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF PRODUCT THEY DEVELOPED, THEY DEVELOPED A VERY HIGH QUALITY, MARKETABLE, AND DENSER DEVELOPMENT. WHEN WE ARE PUSHED TO LOWER AND LOWER DENSITY, YOU MISS THAT MIDDLE MARKET AND. THAT IS JUST THE EFFECT. THERE ARE CERTAINLY DEVELOPERS THAT ENJOY THE SIX UNIT PRODUCT AND WILL BUILD IT. THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY DO AND I HOPE I'VE SHOWN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE WALKING DISTANCE TO TWO -- ACROSS THE STREET FROM ANOTHER, THAT'S THE TYPE OF PLACE WHERE MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT IS APPROPRIATE.

>> OKAY. YOUR HAIR MAY STAND UP ON THIS ONE.

I THINK I KNOW WHAT COMPATIBILITY IS AND WHAT IT MEANS IN TERMS OF A COMPATIBLE RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR WHATEVER, RAISE RES-C, RES-D.

TO ME, I'M GOING TO STATE IT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH RES-D, THERE IS

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NO RES-D ANYWHERE AROUND HERE. >> I'M SORRY TO EVEN ASK YOU THIS, BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES COMPATIBLE MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THERE ARE RESIDENTS NEXT TO RESIDENTS. WHAT DOES IT MEAN? WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE RESIDENTS OF SOMEONE THAT IS IN A MORE DENSE COMMUNITY THAT'S

OBJECTIONABLE TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE LESS DENSE COMMUNITY? >> THE RESIDENTS WOULD NOT BE OBJECTIONABLE TO ME. I RESENT YOU ACTUALLY IMPLYING I WOULD THINK THAT, FRANKLY,

TOM. REALLY? >> AGAIN, THERE IS NO DISTANCE.

>> YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THIS UP WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSION OR THE STATE LEGISLATURE IN TERMS OF WHAT DENSITY MEANS. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU WOULD SAY THAT TO ME.

YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, THERE IS N RES-D ANYWHERE AROUND HERE. >> YES, THERE ACTUALLY IS.

>> YOU GO EAST WAYS, MAYBE OVER TOWARDS THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY, BUT IN THE AREA RIGHT AROUND THIS, THERE IS NO RES-D. GIVEN THE OTHER THING I'M GOING TO BRING UP LATER, BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT QUESTIONS, THESE ARE COMMENTS I WILL BRING IT UP LATER BUT MY OBJECTIONS TO THIS ARE THAT WE ACTUALLY DEADLOCKED ON HERE, ONE YEAR AGO TOMORROW, ON MAY 5TH. I WILL BRING THOSE UP LATER. BUT YOU LOOK AT THE MAPS THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT RESIDENTIAL AROUND THERE.

I THINK EVEN SILVER LEAF COMES IN JUST TWO UNITS PER ACRE. YOU WANT NEARLY 13 UNITS PER ACRE. AS IS RES-C, I THINK IT COULD BE VERY WORKABLE, IT WOULD BE FINE. AS RES-D, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. I WILL TELL YOU WHY LATER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BY THE WAY, I WANT TO AMEND MY EX PARTE.

I DID TALK WITH CHUCK AND I THINK HE WANTS TO SPEAK. I THINK HE NEEDS TO LEAVE, SO I'M GOING TO BE QUITE NOW, SO HOPEFULLY HE CAN SPEAK BEFORE HE HAS TO LEAVE.

>> IF I MAY RESPOND. FIRST OF ALL, IT'S MORE ARGUMENTATIVE THAN I NEED TO BE, CERTAINLY MANY IF NOT MOST OTHER PEOPLE SHARE YOUR OPINION THAT THERE CAN BE COMPATIBILITY DIFFERENCES IN DENSITY. I'M PROBABLY IN A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT. AND THAT'S OKAY AND I KNOW YOU ARE TRYING.

I KNOW EVERYONE HERE IS TRYING TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I DON'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT. I JUST, I PROBABLY HAVE TOO MANY BATTLES AND YOU JUST GET A

LITTLE AGITATED AFTER A WHILE. >> THAT'S FINE, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I DO LIKE YOUR COMMENT THAT YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT MAYBE 100 YEARS OUT HERE ON WHEN THIS COUNTY IS GOING TO DEVELOP A. I THINK THAT IS A VERY GOOD STATEMENT.

>> THANK YOU. ASKED YOU DENSITY, SILVERLEAF HAS A FOUR STORY MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NEARLY FINISHED, IT'S UP THE ROAD ON SILVERLEAF PARKWAY.

WORLD COMMERCE CENTER HAS A MIXED USE LAND USE DISTRICT WHICH ALLOWS 13 UNITS AN ACRE ON AVERAGE THROUGHOUT ITS SITE. THEY DO HAVE D R I. YOU NEED APPROVAL ALLOWANCE OF I FORGET HOW MANY BUT A CONSIDERABLE NUMBER OF MULTI FAMILY DWELLINGS, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES MIXED USE AND RES-D ARE SYNONYMOUS WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTIAL USES.

AND THE LITTLE TRIANGLE OF MIXED USE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH APPROVED ABOUT 380 MULTI FAMILY UNITS. THAT'S THE ONE I WORKED ON NOT TOO LONG AGO.

THEY ARE THERE. ST. JOHN DARA WAS APPROVED FOR THOUSANDS OF UNITS, SOME OF WHICH ARE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, SOME OF THEM ARE MULTI FAMILY UNITS.

THERE IS BOTH EXISTING AND APPROVED DENSITIES THAT ARE THE SAME AS THIS IS JUST THAT WE HAPPEN TO BE LOOKING AT ONE DRAFT RATHER THAN A MULTI THOUSAND ACRE TRACT WHEN WE ARE

TALKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS. >> THANK YOU. MR. LEWANDOWSKI, WHAT TIME DO YOU NEED TO LEAVE? YOU SURE? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

JACK? >> I'M JUST CURIOUS. THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE FROM LAST YEAR, I MISSED THE MEETING ALTHOUGH I TOOK AWAY THE VIDEO. IS THE REDUCTION IN ACREAGE OF 25 TO 20 INTRODUCTION OF UNITS FROM 2:15 -- ARE THOSE THE ONLY TWO CHANGES?

>> FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, YES. YEAH.

WE HAD, THERE WAS ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THIS BEFORE TO THE EAST AND THE ARE LINED FEELING AND THEY ARE NO LONGER PART OF THE APPLICATION.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE?

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>> THAT'S RIGHT. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE A FULL OPENING.

D.O.D. ALLOWS FOR THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT HAS TO GO EAST WILL HAVE TO GO MAKE A RIGHT OUT AND MAKE A U-TURN ON 16.

>> ONE OTHER QUESTION. VERY SIMPLE, LIKE THAT ONE. TOM, CAN YOU PULL UP THE AERIAL? OKAY, SO I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WE APPROVED FOR THAT LITTLE PIECE THAT HAS ALL THE FRONTAGE ON 16 AT THE CORNER. THAT'S GOING AS COMMERCIAL, THOUGH, RIGHT?

JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE SCHOOL. >> YES. >> OKAY.

AND WHAT IS THE OTHER PROPERTIES BETWEEN YOUR EASTERN BORDER AND THE BACK? ISN'T THAT A WEAPON OR A DITCH CLOSE TO THERE? THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF

USABLE PROPERTY. >> YOU CAN SEE A DITCH THERE AND YOU HAVE SOME SINGLE FAMILY

RESIDENCES TO THE LEFT OF THAT. >> THE RESIDENCES CAN KIND OF BE CUT UP AND NOT REALLY USABLE

OR ANYTHING, I GATHER, THE WAY IT IS. >> THAT'S TRUE.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I'M GOING TO CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER.

COME ON UP. >> -- CHUCK, 1748 -- WE'VE HEARD THIS ONCE BEFORE, BUT AGAIN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RES-C, RES-D.

THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. A BIG DIFFERENCE. IF YOU LOOK AROUND IT, IT IS A MUCH SMALLER DENSITY. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE. AND THAT IS RES-C.

, THAT IS RES-D. YOU CAN SEE THE DENSITY, IT'S UNREAL.

THAT AREA IS NOT COMPATIBLE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN GENERATE 464 MORE STUDENTS TO THE SURROUNDING SCHOOLS. THERE IS THE NUMBERS.

NO CREEK. IT'S GOT 26 UNITS. THIS IS FOR 23, 24.

26. BRAND-NEW, 16. WARTS CREEK, DOWN THE STREET, 32. PORTABLE UNITS. THE AREA CANNOT HANDLE MORE CHILDREN, UNFORTUNATELY, UNTIL SOMETHING IS DONE WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

WE NEED TO CATCH UP. THAT DEVELOPMENT IS RIGHT IN THE TARGET, THE MIDDLE OF CONGESTION THAT YOU WON'T BELIEVE. YEAH, THEY CAN WALK.

THEY CAN WALK TO MCDONALD'S FROM THAT COMMUNITY, THEY CAN WALK TO ACE HARDWARE, POSSIBLY.

THEY CAN WALK TO AUTO ZONE AND A FEW OTHER SMALLER FACILITIES. THEY WILL NOT WALK DOWN TO BUCKY'S, THEY WILL NOT WALK DOWN TO COSTCO, AND THEY WON'T WALK DOWN TO A HOME DEPOT.

THE TRANSPORTATION WILL STILL BE THERE. TRANSPORTATION IN AND OUT, HERE'S WHAT THEY HAVE GOT. HERE IS -- IF THEY WANT TO GO EAST, THEY'VE GOT TO GO OUT ACROSS TWO LANES INTO THE TURN LANE, MAKE A U-TURN TO GO EAST.

IF THEY ARE COMING FROM THE WEST, THEY HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ONE OF THE WORST INTERSECTIONS IN ST. JOHNS RIGHT NOW AND MAKE A U-TURN THERE IF THEY ARE ABLE TO.

THAT IS 580 MORE VEHICLES ADDED TO THAT AREA. YEAH, THEY ARE PUTTING IN 20 209, THAT WILL TAKE IT DOWN AND DUMP IT ON 16. STILL A MAJOR ISSUE.

WE'VE SEEN THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM A NUMBER OF PRESENTERS.

BUT HERE'S THE FUNNY THING HAPPENING. AND THAT INTERSECTION THERE AT I GP, I'M 20 209, HAS BEEN DESIGNED FOR OVER THREE YEARS. WHY HASN'T ANYTHING BEEN DONE RIGHT NOW? HERE'S ONE OF THE REASONS. UNFUNDED, UNFUNDED.

UNFOUNDED, AND FUNDED. ACCORDING TO TONIGHT AT F D.O.T., IT WILL BE ANOTHER 17 YEARS BEFORE 16 IS TAKING CARE OF. WHEN WILL IMPROVEMENTS BE DONE?

THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHARLES HUNT. I LIVE ON MILL CREEK ESTATES.

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YES, MILL CREEK SCHOOL, WHEN I WENT TO K THROUGH EIGHT, PUT MORE STUFF OUT THERE THEY BUILT DECOY. THAT IS GETTING MORE PORTABLE. THERE IS THE NEW PUBLICS, THAT WHOLE SHOPPING PLAZA. YOU REALLY THINK THAT IF THEY PUT TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO THAT INTERSECTION, HOW THEY WILL MAKE IT ANY BETTER? OKAY? WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THESE PARENTS TRYING TO DROP THEIR KIDS OFF AT MILL CREEK RIGHT NOW ON THAT INTERSECTION AT -- COMING IN GOING, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE ONES WITH, THEY CAN ONLY DRIVE DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS, DRIVERS LICENSE IN THAT AREA, BUT THEN THEY HAVE, WE JUST WANT TO SQUEEZE 300 OR 230 RESIDENTS HOMES RIGHT IN HERE ON 16 WHERE THERE IS NO LEFT TURN TO TAKE. YOU HAVE TO NOW TAKE A RIGHT. THAT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THAT DECISION. THEY BUILD ONES JUST BEHIND THE PUBLIC THERE, OKAY? THAT'S WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE BIG ISSUE, PUTTING MORE DWELLINGS ON SMALLER PROPERTIES SO WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE SO WE CAN GET MORE MONEY OUT OF IT. THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, OKAY? I'M NOT OPPOSED OF ALL THE DEVELOPING AND GROWTH. THAT IS GOOD! BUT WHAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS GOING THROUGH IS LIKE A GOLDEN CORRAL OF DEVELOPMENT FOUR HOMES, DWELLINGS. THE AMOUNT OF PERSONNEL COMING IN HERE, OKAY? YES, THAT'S 16, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP MAYBE FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN GRANT OAKES SAID, ON RECORD, THAT THEY WAS GONNA PUT IN $50 MILLION TO IMPROVE A PART OF GRAND OAKS FROM THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE ALL THE WAY UP TO THEIR MIRABEL. NOTHING HAPPENED ON THAT.

THEY BROUGHT THAT UP 1 MILLION TIMES. THEY SQUEEZE THIS LITTLE 235 DWELLINGS INTO ONE LITTLE AREA WHERE THERE IS NO REASONABLE TRAFFIC MOTION AND IT'S ALL JUST GOING NORTH AND YOU LEAVE THERE BUT, IT IS -- IF YOU DON'T LIVE RIGHT THERE YOU NEED TO COME OUT AND WALK TO PUBLIX, OKAY? IF YOU WANT TO PUBLIX THROUGH A

BIG OLD INTERSECTION LIKE THAT, THANK YOU. >> MISTER HUNT, CAN YOU PUT

YOUR ADDRESS ON RECORD PLEASE. >> YES, IT'S ON THE FORM. >> IT'S NOT ON THE RECORD.

BUT COULD YOU DO IT? >> IS THAT THE FORM? >> THANKS FOR COOPERATING.

APPRECIATE IT. KEVIN CARDINAL -- >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

IT'S KEVIN CARROLL, SORRY ABOUT MY HANDWRITING. I'M ONE OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS ON THE PROPERTY THERE, MY PARENTS AND UNCLES PROPERTY. -- I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, YES, I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE STATEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT MY FAMILY HAS BEEN THERE MY DAD, MICHAEL CAROL, WAS BORN AND RAISED ON THAT PROPERTY. AUNT AND UNCLE GEORGE BACK IN THE DAY THEY ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY IN 1910. IT'S BEEN IN THIS FAMILY FOR A LONG TIME. THEY SPEND THEIR WHOLE LIFE YOU KNOW LIVING IN THAT COUNTRY LIFESTYLE, THAT RURAL AREA LIFESTYLE THAT THEY'VE HAD SINCE, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER, I WAS BORN AND RAISED THERE ALSO. THEY ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT TYPE OF LIFESTYLE, OBVIOUSLY, IN THIS PROPERTY IS NO LONGER, THE WORD IS COMPATIBLE. THIS PROPERTY IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THAT ANYMORE.

YOU CAN SEE IN THE AREA OF USE WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW. IT'S A MAJOR STATE ROAD, WHICH IT'S ALWAYS BEEN. NOW IT'S FOUR LANES, AND THERE ARE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES,

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I THINK THERE ARE ONLY SIX, SEVEN RESIDENTS LEFT BETWEEN HERE AND THERE, BETWEEN RICHARDS PROPERTY AND HIS FAMILY LIVING ON THEM AND THE FULLER PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE. I THINK THERE'S ONLY SEVEN RESIDENCES LEFT THERE IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD. IT IS JUST NOT DESIRABLE ANYMORE FOR THEM TO LIVE, AND THEY ARE TRYING TO GET A FAIR MARKET GOOD VALUE SO THEY CAN RELOCATE SOMEWHERE ELSE, SO THEY CAN MAINTAIN THAT RURAL LEAVING LIFESTYLE THAT THEY'VE HAD FOR ALL THESE YEARS. NOW THEY DON'T HAVE IT ANYMORE. THEY ARE ASKING, OBVIOUSLY, FOR AN APPROVAL TO HELP FOR THEIR SITUATION AND OTHER SITUATIONS. I THINK SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WOULD AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OPENING THE DOOR FOR THEM AS WELL, THAT HAVE ALSO LIVED IN THAT LIFESTYLE FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS, 40 YEARS, 30 YEARS, ALL THE NEIGHBORS HAVE LIVED RIGHT THERE WHERE THEY CAN -- THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THEIRS WHERE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET THE MARKET VALUE AND MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE DESIRED LIFESTYLE THEY HAD WHEN THEY BOUGHT AND BUILT THEIR HOUSES 30, 40, SOME 50 YEARS AGO.

PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT, YEAH. I'M ALMOST 40. AND I BELIEVE THAT OPENING THIS, STARTING THIS PROJECT, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE FUNDS, BUT IT'S WITH EVERY IMPACTFUL OF EVERY HOUSE THAT'S BEEN IN THERE, EVERY RESIDENTS IN THERE IT'S GOING TO GIVE THE COUNTY MORE MONEY TO DO THE IMPROVEMENTS. YEAH, TRAFFIC IS TRAFFIC EVERYWHERE YOU GO. GO SOMEWHERE WITHOUT TRAFFIC AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WANT TO TRY TO RELOCATE. BUT IT'S NOT ST. JOHNS COUNTY. BUT THIS DENIAL RESULTS IN PUNISHING THIS FAMILY THAT'S TRYING TO RELOCATE AND POTENTIAL OF THE OTHER FAMILIES IN THE AREA THAT ARE ATTEMPTING TO RELOCATE. THEY ARE JUST ASKING FOR YOUR

APPROVAL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

[INAUDIBLE] >> YES. THAT'S YOU.

[LAUGHTER] >> I HAVE BAD YEARS. OKAY, THANK YOU.

-- ST. JOHNS AND FRUIT COMB. YOU HAVE SEEN I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE AS -- THAT WON'T APPLY IN THIS SITUATION.

HOWEVER, OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE HAD SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY AND THE ROADWAYS. BASICALLY, CAN'T HANDLE THE TRAFFIC AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS, SO THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE COTTAGES, IT'S OUR BELIEF THAT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT EXAMPLE OF PLANNING BY THE DEVELOPER AND HOPEFULLY ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND YOU GENTLEMEN WILL APPROVE IT TO GO FORWARD. WHICH 1 AM I USING? WHAT WE ARE SAYING HERE IS, AS HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH ITS NEIGHBORS.

WE'VE GOT RESIDENTS, APPROXIMATELY 12.6 RESIDENTS FOR THE COTTAGES PER EAGER.

BUT EVERYWHERE AROUND WE ARE LOOKING AT RESIDENTIAL A, 2 TO 2 AND A HALF ACRES UNITS PER ACRE, WE ARE LOOKING AT ST. JOHNS, WHICH IS ONE POINT 09 PER UNITS PER ACRE.

I HAVE TROUBLE. I'VE NEVER USED THIS ONE BEFORE. OKAY.

AS WE LOOK AT THE ROADWAYS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED, ARE CURRENTLY IMPACTED, WE ARE LOOKING AT HAS BEEN STATED BEFORE, WE HAVE A HUGE SHORTFALL OF $99 MILLION WORTH OF ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. CERTAINLY NOT FUNDED.

THE COTTAGES OF ST. JOHNS ARE CONTRIBUTING ONLY 2 MILLION TO THAT TOTAL.

ALL THE ROADWAYS ARE CURRENTLY OVERLOADED. THE COTTAGES, AS WE'VE SAID BEFORE, APPROXIMATELY 12.96. I'M GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION, I GUESS.

ANYWAY, WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS WE ARE OVERLOADED.

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THE COUNTY, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THERE SHOULD BE COMPATIBILITY TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION OR THE -- THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE WE ARE AT.

IT SAYS HERE FOR JUSTIFICATION FOR APPROVAL WOULD BE THAT ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THE AMENDMENT AS IS PROGRAMED AND FUNDED.

THAT WILL CONCLUDE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AT THE MOMENT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. KEITH? >> YOU CAN SHUT THAT DOWN.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS KEITH. I LIVE AT 56 95, SHORT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPATIBLE WITH IN THE OPEN RURAL COMMUNITY WE LIVE IN NOW, TRAFFIC IS ATROCIOUS. MY DINNER TABLE, AT 8:00 IN THE MORNING, NOBODY GOES UP AT 8:20, THE HIGH SCHOOL OES IN AT 9:30. ABOUT 8:00 TO 9:20 OR SO, THERE'S A PARKING LOT IN FOR MY HOUSE. I FEEL SORRY. REVOLUTION AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN FACTORED INTO. IT'S TOXIC, I DON'T NEED TO DO THAT ANYMORE.

HERE WE HAVE AN OVERRULE. YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE FIVE ACRES.

RURAL SILVER IS 40 ACRES. THESE PEOPLE WANT TO PUT IN 11 POINT 14 HOUSES FOR ACRE, AND LAST YEAR WHERE THEY CAME UP HERE, THEY HAD ONE -- 250 ACRES, NOW IT'S 232 ON 20.8 ACRES. WE LOST 18 UNITS WHEN THEY LOST ALMOST FIVE ACRES.

THIS DENSITY IS WAY UP. TRAFFIC IS AS WELL. WHATEVER YOU CAN DO FOR US, I SURE WOULD APPRECIATE. I HAD TO STOP AND LET SOMEBODY LET ME OUT OF MY OWN DRIVEWAY, I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 30 YEARS. IT ONLY HAS GOTTEN MORE AND MORE CROWDED.

THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE NO MORE SPEAKERS FOR

THIS. >> TOM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO OFFER SOME REBUTTAL?

>> THANK YOU. I WILL BE BRIEF. IT'S REALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF HUMAN CIVILIZATION AND THAT THE LESS DENSE STUFF COMES FIRST AND THEN THE NEXT ROUND IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE, THE NEXT ROUND IS A LITTLE MORE DENSE.

THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SEEING HERE THE DEVELOPMENTS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE SURROUNDING AREA OUR BY IN LARGE LESS THAN 20 YEARS OLD.

THIS IS NOT -- WE ARE NOT LAYERING ON TOP OF SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR CENTURIES THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE USE FOR AN AREA THAT'S INTENSIVELY DEVELOPED. I WOULD SUGGEST THIS IS NO LONGER A RURAL AREA AT ALL.

IT CAN'T BE RURAL AND WEAK STREAM LOUIS TRAFFICKED AND HAVE TRAFFIC JAMS FROM SCHOOLS.

AS TO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND A LIST FROM STAFF ABOUT HOW THERE ARE VARIOUS UNFUNDED LANES. IT'S BY AND LARGE BECAUSE THERE ARE PARALLEL FACILITIES PLANNED AND FLOODED TO REDUCE TRAFFIC ON THEIRS. ON THE IGP LINKS, 20 209 -- ON THE 16 LINKS, IN THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY, WHICH IS A TALL ROAD, BY THE WAY, THAT WILL HELP RELIEVE SOME OF THE REGIONAL TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING THROUGH STATE ROAD 16.

THE COUNTY AND D.O.T. ARE NOT ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL. THEY ARE VERY AWARE OF THE TRAFFIC NEEDS IN THE AREA. THERE'S A LOT OF PROGRESS HAPPENING.

ANOTHER THING I WILL TELL YOU QUICKLY, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF ESTIMATING TRIP GENERATION. IT DOESN'T DO A GREAT JOB OF ESTIMATING TRIP LENGTH.

THIS PROJECT PUTS THE PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE STUFF. IT WILL REDUCE THE TRIP LANES CERTAINLY, NOT EVERYONE'S GOING TO WALK EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY FROM A FEW WEEKS T LEAST THEY WON'T BE DRIVING THIS FAR.

IT WAS COMMON IN 20, 25 YEARS AGO FOR PEOPLE LIVING THIS AREA TO NEED TO GO TO DUVAL COUNTY FOR VIRTUALLY ANYTHING. HARDWARE STORE, GROCERY STORE, YOU NAME IT.

NOW THAT IS RADICALLY CHANGED. FINALLY WE HAVE ENOUGH CRITICAL MASS, ENOUGH DENSITY, IF YOU WILL, TO BRING THE COSTCO, TO BRING IN THE TWO PUBLIXES, TO BRING A VARIETY OF RESTAURANTS

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ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON YOUR SERVICE. >> WE MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, TOM. HOLD ON. ANYONE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR TOM? I SEE NONE. OKAY, THANK YOU ALL RIGHT, WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY. FOR A MOTION ON ITEM SIX. HENRY?

>> SEE WHERE IT GOES. UNLIKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL HAVE I CPA 2021-24,

THE COTTAGES AT ST. JOHNS, BASED ON THE FOUR FINDINGS. >> OKAY.

WE'VE GOT EMOTION FOR APPROVAL BY HENRY. IS THERE A SECONDER?

>> SECOND. >> SECOND BY MEGHAN. DISCUSSIONS?

RICHARD? >> OKAY, HERE IS THE COMMENTS I HAVE ON THIS.

YOU KNOW, THE NATURAL EVOLUTION COMMENTS THAT MR. INGRAHAM JUST TALKED ABOUT, I DON'T SEE RES-D AS A NATURAL EVOLUTION OF WHAT IS AROUND THERE. I DO RESPECT THE FAMILY BEING ON THE PROPERTY FOR SO LONG AND WANTING TO LIVE IN A RURAL LIFESTYLE I THINK THAT'S GREAT I USED TO HAVE THAT AS WELL AT ONE POINT. BUT I SAID IT BEFORE, THIS WAS PRESENTED TO US ONE YEAR AGO TOMORROW. IT WAS DENIED, TECHNICAL DENIAL 33. BASED ON TRAFFIC DENSITY, COMPATIBILITY, AND INFRASTRUCTURE, AND ALL THOSE THINGS STILL HOLD TRUE TODAY IN FACT, SOME OF THEM ARE EVEN WORSE. WHEN YOU REDUCE THE ACREAGE FROM 25.8 DOWN TO 20.8, AND YOU REDUCED THE DWELLING UNITS FROM 250 TO 232, THE DENSITY ACTUALLY GOES UP.

IT DEFINITELY GOES UP I DO THE CALCULATIONS. YOU HAD 9.7 UNITS FOR BUILDABLE ACRE BEFORE THE GROSS ACRES BEFORE MORE. THEN YOU ADD 11.2 UNITS WITH THIS NEW CALCULATION BUT THEY WANT THE 12 POINT 96 UNITS PER ACRE THAT IS AN INCREASE, SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN DENSITY SECOND THING, YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING AND FUTURE LAND USE MAPS. RES-D HERE IS NOTHING AROUND IT LIKE THAT.

YOU'VE GOT MIXED USE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY.

LOOKING AT ALL THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS THROUGHOUT THIS REGION OF THE COUNTY, THERE IS NO RES-D RIGHT THERE. TO ME, THAT RES-D AND 13 UNITS PER ACRE, 12.96, IS CLEARLY INCOMPATIBLE. TRAFFIC, SOMEBODY PUT, I THINK IT WAS CHUCK WHO PUT UP SOMETHING LIKE 464 TRIPS A DAY. IT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THE COUNTY STAFF HAS PREDICTED.

1562 GROSS DAILY TRIPS FROM THIS. AND THERE ARE FIVE ADVERSELY IMPACTED SEGMENTS. RAJ, YOU PUT UP A MAP AND SHOWED US GOING TO THE SOUTHEAST ON STATE ROAD 16, GOING TO THE NORTHEAST ON INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY YOU FORGOT ABOUT THE SEGMENT OF STATE ROAD 16 THAT GOES TO THE WEST-NORTHWEST FROM THIS.

THAT IS ALSO ADVERSELY IMPACTED THAT IS ONE OF THOSE SEGMENTS YOU LEFT UP YOUR MAP.

YOU WILL PUT IN 2.3 MILLION OR 2.2, WHATEVER IT IS, PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE, WHICH IS JUST OVER 2% OF THE NEED OF OVER 111 MILLION. YES, THERE IS SOME ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, SOME PLANNING IS UNDERWAY.

AS CHUCK AND OTHERS HAVE POINTED OUT, THREE YEARS IN THE PLANNING.

HOW LONG BEFORE THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY IS GOING TO BE BUILT? TOM, YOU MENTIONED THAT WILL HAVE ALLEVIATE. THAT IS SEVEN YEARS OFF, FROM LAST I HEARD, 2030.

SCHOOLS, TOKYO IS RIGHT UP THE ROAD THEIR STUDENTS COULD WALK THERE IN 17 MINUTES, BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK THIS COUNTY SPENT SEVEN TEEN MILLION ON THAT AND IT'S ALREADY GOT -- SITTING THERE WAITING TO BE INSTALLED. I THINK IT'S ALREADY OVERCAPACITY. BUT CERTAINLY THE ROADS ARE OVERCAPACITY, LEAVING ALL DIRECTIONS FROM THIS EXCEPT SOUTH WHICH YOU CAN'T GO THAT DIRECTION.

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RES-B, RES-C SIX UNITS PER ACRE. YOU ARE ASKING FOR 13 UNITS PER ACRE. I THINK WE WOULD VIOLATE POLICY EIGHT POINT 1.5 C, EIGHT POINT -- ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE EXISTS OR IS PROGRAMED AND FUNDED AND AMEND POLICY 8.1 POINT 3.11, COUNSEL -- INCLUDING SUCH FACTORS AS, DENSITY, TRAFFIC, MAINTENANCE OF INFRASTRUCTURE I DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE I CAN SAY ABOUT THIS YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE COMING IN WITH RUSSIA AS SEE ON THIS, I WOULD SAY THAT IS FINANCIAL EVOLUTION OF THIS AREA. BUT NOT RES-D. I DON'T SEE WHY IT NEEDS TO BE JUMPED UP SO HIGH. I AM NOT IN FAVOR. SO --

>> JACK? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT.

I WAS NOT HERE LAST MAY FOR THE MEETING WHERE THIS WAS THE NIGHT I WOULD HAVE VOTED AGAINST IT. FOR MANY OF THE SAME REASONS I'VE HEARD HERE TODAY.

I THINK THE JUMP FROM RES-C TWO RES-D IS JUST UNNECESSARY. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ADD TO THAT DENSITY AND TRAFFIC AND COMPEL ME ISSUES THAT ALREADY EXISTS OUT HERE.

THERE IS ENOUGH ACREAGE OUT THERE, 20, 25 ACRES TO DEVELOP IT UNDER THE RES-C UMBRELLA.

UNDER THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.

>> OKAY. I HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY. FIRST OFF, DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT GENERATE RESIDENTS OR STUDENTS. PEOPLE MOVING TO THE AREA OF DEVELOPMENTS GENERATES RESIDENTS AND STUDENTS WE DON'T GO BUILD HOUSES AND THEN THEY COME.

WE BUILD THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY COMING. THEY'VE GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE.

WHICH MEANS IF WE DON'T PUT THEM HERE, THEY WILL GO FURTHER OUT.

THEY WILL GO ON 208, OVER ON 13, THEY WILL DRIVE FURTHER DISTANCES, INCLUDING UP THE ROAD. THEY WILL GO SOMEWHERE. NUMBER TWO, I GET IT THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL D WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 10,000 FOOT LEVEL AT THAT NORTHWEST CORNER.

BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL IN THAT LITTLE PIECE A LITTLE BIT TO THE EAST OF IT, ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD. I BELIEVE IT IS COMPATIBLE BECAUSE IT IS SO CLOSE TO THE MIXED USE ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER, AS WELL AS THE DENSITY IN THE ST. JOHNS DRI, WHICH ARE RELATIVELY DENSE IN THE WESTERN PART OF THAT DRI. MY NUMBER THREE IS POLICY 8.1 POINT 2.5 DOES NOT SAY YOU HAVE TO MEET A THROUGH G. IT SAYS, AND EVALUATING PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, THE COUNTY SHOULD CONSIDER EACH OF THE FOLLOWING.

I BELIEVE THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT CERTAINLY MEETS A AND B I GET C BEING A QUESTION MARK I COULD GO BOTH WAYS ON IT IT CERTAINLY MEETS-Y AND IT CERTAINLY MEETS F, IN MY OPINION. IF SOMEONE WANTS ME TO READ A, B, C, AND F, WHICH IS FOUR OUT OF THE SIX, I CAN READ THEM. I WILL GO TO POLICY 8.1 POINT 2.7 THAT SAYS THE COUNTY SHALL ENCOURAGE URBAN AND SUBURBAN GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT AREAS WHERE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES EXIST. DEVELOPMENT AREAS ARE THOSE DESIGNATED ON FUTURE MAP, THE OVERALL GROWTH PATTERN OF THE COUNTY. CLEARLY, IT GOES -- TO THE CENTER SECTION. IT HAS SHOWN ITSELF WITH THE FACT THAT THERE ARE TWO PUBLIXES, A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS, A BUC-EE'S, A COSTCO, -- IT IS IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW, THE SERVICES ARE RIGHT THERE AND IT WOULD BE A TRAVESTY, IN MY OPINION, TO DEVELOP THIS AND I'M OBVIOUSLY VOTING YES. YES? LET'S CALL THE VOTE.

>> ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION PASSES. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN.

[8. MAJMOD 2023-05 TrailMark Recreational Pond]

WHICH IS THE PUD. MOTION? >> THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF

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STAFF REPORT. >> MOTION BY HENRY, SECOND BY MEGHAN.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES FORWARD TO TWO. MOVING ON TO ITEM EIGHT. MISS HAGA?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. FOR THE RECORD, LINDSAY HAGA, HELLO, MR. GREEN, IT IS GOOD TO

SEE YOU ON THE SIDE HERE REPRESENTING OUR CLIENTS >> I SEE.

>> IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE THE LAST TIME WITH MR. GREEN. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US >> EXCUSE ME ONE MINUTE, LINDSAY. -- YEAH, MEAGAN.

>> EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON -- DISCUSS APPLICATIONS >> I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH GREG GREEN ABOUT THE APPLICATION AND I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY BEING ADDED

AND THAT SORT OF THING. >> THANK YOU FOR RAISING THAT. WITH ME TODAY IS MR. GREG CURRAN WITH GREEN POINT VERSE AND STACEY WITH DRIVERS MCAFEE, OUR LEGAL REPRESENTATION, PART OF OUR WHOLE PROJECT A MONTH SUBMITTING MAJOR MODIFICATION ALSO INCLUDES MILLER LOOKING AT YOUR LAND PLANNING ASPECT AND OUR ENVIRONMENTAL AS HE HAS PROVIDING SOME OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL REPORTS REGARDING THE PROPOSED USE. WITH THAT, THIS IS A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO DO SIMPLY TWO THINGS. ADD IN ABOUT 34 ACRES OF LAND INDICATED IN THAT YELLOW BOUNDARY AND ADDRESS ACCESS BOTH IN TERMS OF PROHIBITING IT TO OUR COMMUNITY OF INDIAN BRANCH RANCH ROAD, AND ALSO PROVIDING IT FOR ONE OF OUR ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, THAT YOU WILL SEE AS THIS PARCELS DEVELOP, AS I MOVE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION WE ARE LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR WE ARE GENERALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE TRAIL MARK SIGHT OF THE PROJECTS WE HEARD TODAY ON THE AGENDA AS WELL AS OTHER MODIFICATIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN COME FORWARD FOR TRAIL MARK. WE ARE PART OF THAT SIX MILE CREEK PUD. THIS BODY WOULD'VE HEARD THE -- COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, A SMALL SCALE LAND USE AMENDMENT APPROVED IN 2021. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE FAMILIAR FACTS REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THESE MAPS ESSENTIALLY IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS MAP H TWO R OF THE LARGER DRI, BUT SPECIFICALLY TO OUR PUD REZONING. WE'VE TUCKED IN THE PROJECT PARCEL ADDING IT TO PARCEL 16 AS ALL THE PARCELS ARE DESIGNATED WITHIN THAT OVERALL MAP OF THE PROJECT.

YOU SEE WE HAVE SIX MILE CREEK MAP H1. WE ADDED THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TYING INTO PARCEL 16 AS WHERE IT HAD ITS LIKE USES AND ADJACENCY.

REAL QUICKLY, TO RUN US THROUGH FUTURE LAND USE, AGAIN, THIS WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT KNOWN AS THE CALM AMENDMENTS. IT DESIGNATED A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY AS PRESIDENTIAL A. IT HAD A TEXT AMENDMENT LIMITED TO SIX DWELLING UNITS DEVELOPED ON THE PROPERTY. ALSO CARRYING OVER ALLOWING FOR RURAL CULTURE ACTIVITIES.

THIS SITE ALSO INCLUDES, YOU CAN SEE, IT'S IN THE FAIR COLOR HERE, THE ACCESS THAT PROVIDES MR. CRONIN'S PIECE, WHICH HAS DESIGNATED THE WORLD CIVIL CULTURE.

THAT IS BEING BROUGHT IN AS WELL. I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH WHY THAT IS BEING INCLUDED AND HOW WE ARE PROVIDING AN ALTERNATIVE ACCESS TO MR. CRONIN.

ON THE CONCEPTUAL, PLAN IF WE LOOK IN THE CORNER WHERE WE ARE, AND BE INVITED AL SHAPE, WE SEE WHERE THE PARCEL IS LOCATED NEXT TO THE CURRENT PHASES OF 12 AND 13 WITHIN THE OVERALL TRAIL MARK PROPER. YOU'VE SEEN THIS PLAN ON OUR PUD AND OUR -- BRINGING TO LIFE WHERE WE HAVE UNITS PROPOSED. THEN WE HAVE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE. WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD N USE OF THE SITE AS A LAKEVIEW AMENITY PARK, A RECREATIONAL POND IN THE INTERIM TERM WE WILL USE THE FILL THAT'S EXCAVATED FROM THE POND TO PROVIDE FOR INTERNAL FILL WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA.

SO IT BECOMES PART OF OUR POND SETS YOU SEE, KIND OF OUR WATER BASED DESTINATIONS, IT'S FAMILIAR TO TRAILMARK. THIS MAP IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE FOR YOU REALLY POPPING IN WHAT IS THE LOCATION OF THE STORMWATER PONDS, OUR TRAILS-ISM, OUR WATER BASED THEME-ING THAT WE HAVE, AND CALLING OUT SOME SIZE RELATIVE TO THE PROPERTY WE HAVE HERE IT'S ADJACENCY TO WHERE YOU SEE STORMWATER PAWNS PART OF THIS. THIS POND WOULD NOT BE PART OF THE STORM WATER SYSTEM, BUT IT WOULD BE PART OF THE RECREATION PROGRAM THAT YOU SEE OUR DESTINATION BASED BONDS. THIS IS THE LARGER POND LOCATED HERE AT OUR AMENITY CENTER.

YOU SEE ANOTHER LARGE POND HERE IN THE REVERIE AND OTHER AREAS AS YOU ARE EITHER FEATURED,

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THIS CARRIES FORWARD AND GLAMORIZES FOR YOU THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IN YOUR PROJECT AND HIGHLIGHTS WHERE WE ARE PRESERVING ESSENTIALLY EIGHT ACRES OF WETLAND. THEN THERE ARE BUFFERS ALONG WHAT IS OUR EASTERN BOUNDARY, WHERE WE ARE PRESERVING SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITY HABITATS ON THE SOUTHERN END.

AND WE ARE LOCATING THIS SPAWN LOCATION HERE, TYING IT IN TO OUR PROPOSED INTERNAL ROUTE AND HOW YOU WOULD ACCESS IT AS A RESIDENT INTERNAL TO THE SITE. I WILL USE THE SITE PLAN TO SHOW FOR US, IF YOU KEEP OUR EYE ON THIS CUL-DE-SAC, WHICH IS WITHIN TRAILMARK NOW, YOU SEE ON YOUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN YOUR PACKET, THIS WOULD PROVIDE FOR AN ACCESS EASEMENT TO MR. CRONIN'S SIGHT. HE WOULD ENJOY TO HAVE PROPERTY GAINING THROUGH TRAILMARK AND ACCESSING HIS PROPERTY IN A MORE DIRECT AND STABILIZED FASHION THAN COMING DOWN INDIAN BRANCH RANCH ROAD THROUGH AN EASEMENT AND WRAPPING AROUND A PROPERTY HERE TO THIS AREA.

WE PROVIDED FOR THAT POTENTIAL INTERCONNECTIVITY. YOU KNOW, WE ARE PART OF THE NORTHWEST SECTOR. WE HOSTED OUR NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING BACK IN MARCH OVER AT THE TRAILMARK CLUBHOUSE WE HAD A GOOD ATTENDANCE WE RAN IT LIKE AN OPEN HOUSE STYLE WHERE FOLKS COULD COME TO THE BOARDS OF INTEREST AND WHETHER THAT WAS A DESIGN OF THE MAPS YOU SEE, THAT LAND USE MAPS WE PREVENT -- PRESENTED.

WE TOOK QUESTIONS, YOU HAVE A SUMMARY OF THAT INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

I TIED IT IN TO THE FOUR PRINCIPAL AREAS THAT OUR PATTERN DEVELOPMENT LIVING NORTHWEST ACTOR THAT YOU SEE ON THE SIDE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS? FOLKS WANTED TO KNOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY? HOW ARE WE BUFFERING IT? HOW ARE WE PRESERVING WETLANDS? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE USES THAT COULD HAPPEN? THAT IS THE FIRST ROW OF USES THE SECOND HAD TO DEAL WITH MOBILITY AND TWO PARS, ONE, HOW ARE WE GETTING INTO THE SIDE FROM A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. ALSO, WHAT WAS THE STATUS OF THE SIGNAL THERE AT TRAILMARK BULEVARD. THEN THE CHARACTER PATTERN ABOUT WHERE-Y ARE CONNECTING IT. AGAIN, ABOUT BUFFERING. HOW WILL THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR WE RECREATIONAL POND CITE TIE INTO THE REMAINING PART OF THE TRAILMARK PROPERTIES? HOW DOES THIS PARCEL TIE INTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES LOCATED OUTSIDE OF TRAILMARK? IN SUMMARY, WE ARE CARRYING FORWARD, REALLY ADDING INLAND, 34 ACRES TO THE TRAILMARK.

IT CARRIES OVER THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENT ASSIGNED TO THAT THROUGH THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THAT TEXT AMENDMENT IT DOES NOT INCREASE ANY UNITS OR ADD ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. WE DO DESCRIBE AND PROVIDE FOR YOU AN INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT RATHER THAN HAVING A BUBBLE PLAN BEFORE YOU.

ALL OF OUR VEHICULAR ACCESS IS WITHIN TRAILMARK, WITHIN THE TURNS AND CONSTRUCTION, FOR THE BOND, AND THEN AT THE END, SO THAT WE ARE NOT AND WE STILL MAINTAIN, NOT INTRODUCING ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC TO THE INDIAN BRANCH RANCH COMMUNITY THAT YOU SEE THERE AND HEAVY TRAFFIC CONNECTION FOR THE CURRENT PROPERTY. WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTION.

-- >> RICHARD? >> I HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. I HAVE DECIDED INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THIS AND GETTING TO MY MAIN THRUST HERE, MY COMMENTS, THAT I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, WALKS LIKE A DUCK, QUACKS LIKE A DUCK, IT'S A BORROW PITS. YOU ARE TRYING TO PASS THIS RECREATIONAL POND, THAT'S ALL YOU'VE BEEN CALLING THIS, A RECREATIONAL PLANTE.

IT'S A BORROW PITS. IT MAY BE USED FOR RECREATION WHEN IT'S FINISHED, BUT YOU ADMITTED YOU WILL USE THE FILL INTERNAL TO TRAILMARK AND ALL THAT.

IT'S A BORROW PITS. FOR THE BOROUGH PIT OTHERS THAT WE'VE HAD HERE CONSIDERED APPROVED OR NOT BUT WE NEED TO SEE AN ENGINEERING PLAN. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE DEPTH, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE HEIGHT OF THE -- I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE RIM DITCHES THAT WILL RETURN THE WATER TO THIS. HOW IS IT GOING TO BE EXCAVATED? ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER HAVING ENGINEERING PLANS, SITE PLANS, TO LOOK AT A BORROW PITS. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS AND LATER YOU WILL USE THE BOROUGH PIT AS A KAYAK AND OTHER RECREATIONAL AREA. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE

PLANS IN THERE? >> IT IS NOT A COMMERCIAL BORROW PITS.

THE LAND IS VERY SPECIFIC AS TO WHEN THAT IS TRIGGERED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ALSO PROVIDES FOR US WHEN WE CAN CREATE LAKES. THIS MAP IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF SHOWING HOW THAT IS DONE WHEN YOU ARE PART OF AN OVERALL COMMUNITY. THE PRIMARY USE, IF YOU ARE JUST A LOOK AT THAT PARCEL ALONE AND HAVE COMMERCIAL BORROW ACTIVITIES WHERE YOU WILL EXCAVATE AND EXPORT THE FILL USING EXTERNAL ROADWAYS TO SITES ALL OVER, THAT TRIGGERS A BORROW PIT. WHEN YOU ARE INCLUDED AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT AS A

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THIS POND IS 90 CARS INSIDE. THE FILM WAS USED ON SITE WITHIN TRAIL MARK.

THIS PLANT IS LOCATED HERE WITHIN REVERIE TO ACT AS A PORTION OF EIGHT ACRES IN SIZE.

THE LARGER PAWN THAT YOU SEE HERE IS ALSO SEVEN ACRES IN SIZE.

VERY COMPARABLE IN SIZE TO WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR RECREATION. WHEN YOU INCLUDED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE NOT EXPORTING IT FOR OFF-SITE USE. THAT HAS A LONGER TERM PERIOD TO IT. RIGHT, A LONGER DURATION. WE SEE THE SPECIAL USE COME BEFORE US, WE HAVE TO HAVE HALL ROUTES AND THAT HAVE HOW WE ARE GOING TO TREAT IMPACTS TO ROADWAY SYSTEMS. THAT'S NOT WITH THIS IS ARE WE BORROWING THE FILL TO USE ONSITE? WE ARE. THAT IS HOW THE LAND

DEVELOPMENT GOES, THOUGH. >> RICHARD, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? >> YES.

>> OKAY. I WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT ABOUT THAT.

I'M GOING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW INTO PROJECTS. AS PART OF ANY DEVELOPMENTS WHEN YOU ARE DIGGING A POND, YOUR WETLANDS AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT, THE DISTRICT MAKES US LOOK AT THE NORMAL WATER LEVEL AS COMPARED TO THE WETLAND LEVEL.

IF OUR NORMAL LEVEL IS LOWER THAN WE HAVE TO HAVE -- WE HAVE TO MITIGATE OR WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A LINER OR A CLAY CUT OFF WALL, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT HELPS ANSWER SOME QUESTION.

>> THAT'S HELPFUL, ABSOLUTELY. I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS, BUT IT IS SO CLOSE TO IN FACT PART OF THAT 33 ACRES, THE VERY SOUTHWESTERN CORNER OF IT, IT DIPS INTO THE FLOODPLAIN AREA OF SIX MILE CREEK.

THIS IS RIGHT THERE AT SIX MILE CREEK. THAT IS WHAT HAS ME CONCERNED

ABOUT THIS. >> I READ IT TO. >> OKAY.

I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS. IT'S GOING TO BE USED INTERNALLY.

I DID READ THAT WITHIN TRAILMARK ON THE FILM MATERIAL COMING OUT OF THEIR, SAND ROCK, GRAVEL. I NOTICE THERE IS CERAMIC ABOVE THIS ON THE GROUND, VEGETATION IN THAT TYPICALLY IS IN THE KIND OF UPLAND XEROX VEGETATION WHERE UNDERLYING IT IS GRAVEL AND HARD ROCK, LIMESTONE. I'M SURE YOU WILL GET A LOT OF GREAT FILL OUT OF THERE.

NONE OF THIS WILL BE USED FOR ROADS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? JUST TO FILL IN WETLANDS, I

ASSUME? >> WITHIN OUR SITES THAT WE SEE IN GENERAL, ALSO INCLUDE IN YOUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PACK IT IS A PLACE THAT SHOWS OUR HAULER OUT, IF YOU WILL.

I WILL USE THIS ARROW INDICATE WHERE WE COME IN AND COME AROUND THIS POINT SO THAT WE CAN USE FILL WITHIN THE PHASES. THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY OF THE POND SITE WILL ALIGN WITH THE ADDITION BASES THAT WE HAVE NOW WE ARE MOVING DOWN INTO THIS AREA, YOU SEE LOTS UNDER DEVELOPMENTS. THEN ALSO IN THIS AREA. IT COULD BE A MIX ABOUT INTERNAL ROAD FILLS, BUT I WILL LOOK TO BRAG TO SAY FOR THAT PLAN, BUT IT'S OUR POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT, WHERE WE ARE PROVED NOW IN TRAILMARK. THIS CARRIES FORWARD ALL THOSE

IMPROVEMENTS, DEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT ARE UNDER REVIEW. >> COMMENTS THE CHAIR MADE TO ME A VERY INTERESTING. THEY AREN'T LIGHTNING TO ME, EDUCATIONAL.

I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WATER LEVELS ARE GOING TO BE LONG -- LOWER THAN THE WETLANDS ARE NOT. WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A LINER.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT INFORMATION THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE TO APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I FEEL I'M VOTING WITH INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO PROCEED AND WHAT IMPACT MIGHT HAVE ON, SAY, SIX MILE CREEK.

THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> WE HAVE TO SPEAK OR GUARDS. COOLEY.

>> THANK YOU. COLLIE, LIKE A DOG. 4000 -- BASICALLY SURROUNDED BY TWO AND A HALF SIDES OF THERE OF THE TRAILMARK PROPERTY.

MY CONCERN WAS ABOUT THE WATER, WHERE IS IT PUSHING, WHERE IS IT GOING? I'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNICATION WITH GREG AND EVERYTHING I'VE HAD, EVERYTHING I'VE DEALT WITH

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I DO APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT HOW IS THIS AFFECTING AND WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBOR, THE NON TRAILMARK AND NEIGHBORS, THERE WAS A GROUP OF US AT THE ACTIVITY CENTER.

THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

DAVID COURTNEY. >> DAVID COURTNEY, 5395, ST. AUGUSTINE.

ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO OR SO, THE LAST TIME HIS PROPERTY WAS INTRODUCED, YOU CHANGE THE ZONING FROM THE RURAL AREA TYPE ZONE TO MAKING IT A RESIDENTIAL. YOU DID IT FOR SIX HOUSES TO BE THERE WITH THE PERSON SELLING THE PROPERTY THAT WASN'T GOING TO LIVE THERE.

HE JUST WANTED A PROPERTY. HE GOT YOU TO CHANGE IT SO HE CAN JUST POCKET.

IT'S UP AGAIN FOR REZONING. AS NEIGHBORS HAVE GOTTEN -- WE GOT THROWN UNDER THE BUS AS WE FOLLOWED YOUR RULES, THE OLD RULES UNDER THE ORIGINAL ZONING OF THE RURAL AGRICULTURAL WORK, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE HOUSE AND MAYBE A SECOND HOUSE FOR A FAMILY MEMBER.

WE FOLLOW THAT, WE BOUGHT EXTRA PROPERTY, SPENT MORE MONEY TO GET IT FOR PRIVACY.

YOU MAY BE APPROVING THIS PROJECT, BUT MY CONCERNS ARE THREEFOLD.

ONE, WE DON'T KNOW -- FIRST OF ALL, WE GET OUR WATER FROM OUR WEL.

OUR WELL DOES PRESSURE. WE DON'T HAVE PUMPS. ALL ARE -- WE HAVE WELLS. WE DON'T KNOW KNOW HOW MUCH LOWER THE -- SHALLOW WELLS. THE WATER GOES, THAT IT MAY NOT GET ENOUGH PRESSURE OR MAY NOT GET US WATER AT ALL. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A STUDY DONE TO SEE HOW MUCH WATER IS THERE, WILL IT AFFECT MY WELL? AND THEN, THE SECOND THING IS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FENCE.

WE GOT OUR PROPERTIES THERE, WE LIVE THERE. PEOPLE WILL WANDER AT THE LAKE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC. THEY WILL NOT JUST SHOW I.D. FOR TRAILMARK.

IT'S GOING TO BE PUBLIC. THEY WILL BE COMING DOWN CHURCH ROAD AND TURNING LEFT ON INDIAN RANCH ROAD, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BLOCKED OFF SO WE DON'T GET HUNDREDS OF CARS COMING DOWN AND GOING TO THE LAKE FROM ALL OVER THE AREA. MAYBE THEY HAVE ADDRESSED THAT.

I'M NOT SURE. WE TRIED TO TELL THAT IN THE -- THE OTHER THING IS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FENCE WITH ALL THE PEOPLE COMING INTO THE LAKE, WE JUST GO RIGHT ACROSS AND THAT TREELINE INTO OUR PROPERTY TRESPASSING. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DETERRENCE OF NOT HAVING THEM BE ABLE TO JUST WALK ACROSS IN THE TREELINE, WHICH IS ONLY 100 FEET, AND THEN THEY ARE IN OUR PROPERTY. TEENAGERS, ADVENTURES, SO FORTH AND SO ON. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A STUDY ON THE WATER TABLE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OFFENSE, SOME KIND OF DETERRENT SO THEY ARE NOT WANDERING FROM THE LAKE, ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING TO THE LAKE WANDERING ACROSS THE TREELINE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM INDIAN BRANCH, RANCH ROAD SO THEY CAN TURN OFF CHURCH ROAD AND GO DOWN INDIAN BRANCH RODE INTO THE LAKE. CHURCH ROAD -- I'M SORRY, CHURCH ROAD IS NOT THAT WIDE. WHEN YOU PASS CARS ON CHURCH ROAD, THERE IS JUST A FEW PEOPLE. EVERYBODY DID THE ONE HOUSE PER RULE AREA RULES.

IT'S JUST THE NEIGHBORS THERE. IF YOU ALLOW A BUNCH OF CARS COMING DOWN THERE, THAT IS JUST KIND OF A THING FOR DISASTER OR THE TRAFFIC. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CARS WILL BE DOWN THERE. WE ALL BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY FOR PRIVACY, JUST LIKE IF YOU ARE LIVING THERE, YOU SPEND ALL YOUR MONEY TO GO THERE, I RETIRED 36 YEARS AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, VETERAN. I WANTED PEACE IN MY OLD DAYS. THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. JUST SO I COULD RELAX. NOW IT'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF TRAFFIC AND A LOT OF PEOPLE YELLING OVER THE LAKE I'M NOT AGAINST NECESSARILY --

>> SERVE, PLEASE WRAP UP. >> NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST THE LAKE, I JUST WANT TO, LIKE, IF YOU COULD BE RESPECTFUL TO US, THE NEIGHBORS, THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY LINE, BE RESPECTFUL TO JUST MAKE SOME RESTRICTIONS LIKE I MENTIONED. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT, WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO OFFER SOME -- >> YES.

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WE WILL HAVE FOLKS INTERESTED THE AREAS AROUND THE LAKE AND NOT COMING IN THROUGH THAT AREA.

REGARDING THE DRAWDOWN, OUR ENGINEERS, GREG WAS REMINDING MR. CRONIN REMINDED ME OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PERMITTING MAKING THIS ABOUT THAT. WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO SHOW OUR CONSTRUCTION PLANTS, THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ON THAT, AND THEY HAVE GOTTEN INITIAL GEO TECH INFORMATION TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE OF THE CONCERN ABOUT WHAT WOULD THE EXCAVATION OF THE POND HAVE ON EXISTING WELLS, RIGHT? IN THAT, THEIR CONCLUSION IS RUNNING OVER FOR AN EXCAVATION PERIOD OF ONE YEAR, AND THE GROUNDWATER LEVEL MAINTAINED PRE AND POST DEVELOPMENT. I CAN INTRODUCE THAT REPORT HERE AND SHARE IT ALSO WITH MR. COURTNEY SO WE CAN START TO ADDRESS HIS QUESTIONS.

YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT AND PROVIDE HIM WITH SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.

WE HAVE HIS GEO TECHNICAL REPORT THAT POINTS THAT OUT REIMPOSED ABOUT IN THE.

GROUNDWTER LEVEL SURROUNDING IN THE ADJACENT AREA OVER INTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES MAINTAINS THE 16 FOOT OF GROUNDWATER ELEVATION. THAT ADDRESSES ALL THE

QUESTIONS AND WE APPRECIATE MR. STOLE'S COMMENTS AS WELL. >> THANK, YOU RICHARD.

>> SINCE YOU HAVE THAT REPORT, YOU SAID YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY.

WE ACTUALLY REPRESENT THE COUNTY ALSO. I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THAT

WASN'T INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET. >> LIKE I SAID, WE WILL FILE CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

I BECAME A FUTURE TENSE, WE WILL WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO FILE CONSTRUCTION PLANTS IN THAT IT HAS PERMANENT DETAILS AND WE WILL WORK WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONAL AGENCIES.

WE RECEIVED THIS REPORT FROM THE GEO TECH TO SHARE AND GIVE THAT INFORMATION, AT THAT LEVEL OF COMFORT FOR MR. COURTNEY, I CAN SHARE THAT WITH HIM FOR THAT ANALYSIS SO THAT HE ADDRESSES THAT QUESTION ABOUT IMPACT TO HIS WELL, WHICH WOULD BE THE GROUNDWATER.

>> YOU SAID YOU NEEDED TO SEE THAT? >> WE JUST RECEIVED THIS REPORT.

AS FAR AS I'M AWARE. >> SO THIS MORNING? >> NO, NOT THIS MORNING.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> STUFF? >> THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR.

JUST FOR THE GENTLEMAN, THE RESIDENT WHO ASKED, THERE IS A PROCESS THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED

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COMPLY IN THAT ASPECT. THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> GREAT, THANK YOU. >> BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A

MOTION. >> EXCUSE, ME MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL --

TRAILMARK RECREATIONAL POND. >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MEAGAN?

>> SECONDED. >> ALL RIGHT. DISCUSSION?

[Staff Reports]

>> I WILL COME OF THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS -- THE DISTRICT IS PRETTY TIGHT ON EVALUATING YOUR NORMAL WATER LEVEL AND MAKING SURE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE WATER OR JASON WETLAND. I'M SURE THEY WILL GET PUT THROUGH THE WRINGER ON THAT.

IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY. >> IT IS IN THE PROCESS. >> ALL RIGHT.

LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES. 5 TO 1.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF REPORTS?

>> YES, SIR. WE DO. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR JULY 6TH MEETING, THAT IS TWO DAYS AFTER THE FOURTH OF JULY, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING IS ON A TUESDAY AND AS MAINTAIN THAT IS A FOURTH, COUNTY IS CLOSED THAT DAY.

THE PLANNING AND THE PANTY V. DRAW A ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD HAD WILL CANCEL THEIR JULY 3RD MEETING, SO I WANTED TO RAISE IT WITH YOU ALL IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A MEETING ON THE

SIXTH. >> WHY DON'T WE MOVE OURS TO THE FIFTH?

I'M GETTING. >> YOU NEED TO KEEP IT ON THE THURSDAY.

>> YOU WANT A MOTION FOR THAT? >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> I MOVE THAT WE COUNSEL THE

JULY 6TH -- >> JULY 6TH, YES. >> MOTION TO CANCEL JULY 6TH AND SECONDED? SECONDED BY MEAGAN. DISCUSSION?

ANYONE OPPOSED? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> I.

>> THAT MOTION PASSES. ANYTHING ELSE? I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO COMMENT ON. OH, SORRY.

>> OH, SURE. I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU WILL BE SEEING LESS OF ME

[Agency Reports]

WE ARE JUST REDISTRIBUTING WORK A LITTLE BIT. SO LAX WILL BE TAKING OVER PCA TO THE EXTENT THAT LEX IS NOT ABLE TO OR ON OCCASION NOT IN OFFICE.

YOU WILL SEE ME, BUT I'VE APPRECIATED WORKING THAT YOU ALL AND IF YOU HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT LET ME KNOW. >> YOU'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB FOR US IN MY OPINION, ANYWAY. WE APPRECIATE YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU, LEX.

AS WELL AS MIKE AND THERESA. WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK.

I DON'T WANT TO PROLONG THIS BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE THINGS I'M GOING TO SAY.

WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OF THESE PROPOSED REZONING'S FOR OUR RE-PARKS.

THEY ALL COME IN WITH WE WILL DO AN RV PARK, BUT WE ALSO WANT OUR 10,000 SQUARE FOOT PER ACRE.

EVERY TIME I GO AND READ THE PUD, TO ME IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR THAT THEY CAN'T DO BOTH.

THEY WILL NEVER FIT BOTH BUT IN MY OPINION, UNLESS I'M JUST NOT READING RIGHT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW THEY CAN TRANSITION TO HALF AND HALF, SOMEHOW THEY CAN DO BOTH. THAT, TO ME, IS IMPORTANT I. DID NOT BRING THAT UP DURING THE ITEM TODAY BECAUSE -- GONNA GO DOWN AND GO AGAINST THAT.

THE OTHER THING IS, IT BROKE MY HEART TO VOTE AGAINST THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE TWO STATE ROAD 13. AND REALLY DID. I KNOW WE MAY BE LOOKING AT CHANGING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MAYBE SOME PROVISIONS AS A RESULT.

I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HIRING A CONSULTANT TO HELP US WITH CHANGING.

I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER THE COUNTY IS GROWING UP AND WE MADE THAT RULE, PROBABLY MADE

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