Mar 21, 2023 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order by Chair]

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GOOD MORNING. WELCOME TO THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

BE TAMPA BAY WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON ANY AGENDA ITEM.

SHOULD THE PRESENTER HAVE EXHIBITS OR PHOTOGRAPHS PROVIDE THOSE TO THE CLERK OF THE COURT. IF THE CLERK WOULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>CHAIR: ALL RIGHT. IF EVERYBODY WOULD PLEASE JOIN ME IN STANDING AS WE HEAR THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE PASTOR EARLY GLISTEN TO JOIN US.

>> GOOD MORNING, ARE YOU DOING WELL.

I WILL READ OUT OF ROMANS 13. THERE CAN BE NO AUTHORITY IN THE UNIVERSE ACCEPT BY GOD'S APPOINTMENT.

EVERY AUTHORITY THAT EXIST HAS BEEN INSTITUTED BY GOD.

SO TO RESIST AUTHORITY IS TO RESIST THE DEVINE ORDER OF GOD WHICH RESULTS IN SEVERE CONSEQUENCES.

FOR SEVERAL AUTHORITIES DON'T INTIMIDATE THOSE DOING GOOD BUT EVIL. THEY WILL COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR GOOD CITIZENSHIP. THOSE IN AUTHORITY ARE GOD'S SERVANT FOR THE GOOD OF SOCIETY, BUT IF YOU BREAK THE LAW, YOU HAVE REASON TO BE ALARMED FOR THEY ARE GOD'S AGENTS OF PUNISHMENT TO BRING CRIMINALS TO JUSTICE.

WHY DO YOU THINK THEY CARRY WEAPONS? YOU ARE COMPELLED TO OBEY THEM NOT JUST TO AVOID PUNISHMENT BUT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO LIVE WITH A CLEAN CONSCIOUS.

THIS IS WHY YOU PAY TAXES. IT IS YOUR DUTY TO PAY ALL THE TAXES AND FEES THEY REQUIRE AND RESPECT THOSE WHO ARE WORTHY OF RESPECT HONORING THEM ACCORDINGLY.

LET'S PRAY. DEAR FATHER, WE PLACE OURSELVES IN REMEMBRANCE THIS MORNING THAT THERE IS NOT AUTHORITY ACCEPT FROM GOD AND THOSE WHICH EXIST ARE ESTABLISHED BY GOD.

SINCE YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED AUTHORITY, YOU ALSO APPOINT AND EQUIP THOSE PLACED IN AUTHORITY. I PRAY FOR WISDOM TO BE IMPARTED TO MEN AND WOMEN BEFORE ME WHO HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO THE SEAT OF AUTHORITY. THAT IN SEEKING YOU FIRST YOUR KINGDOM WOULD COME AND WILL WOULD BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS HEAVEN. I PRAY THE COUNTRY COMMISSIONER WILL TRUST IN THE LORD WITH ALL THEIR HEARTS.

BE WISE IN THEIR OWN EYES GIVE THEM TO KNOWLEDGE DISCERN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH AND ERROR.

I PRAY THAT WITH ALL THAT THEY WILL ENCOUNTER TODAY AND IN THE FUTURE, THAT THEY WILL ACKNOWLEDGE YOU AND YOU WILL DIRECT THEIR DECISIONS. MAY BLESSINGS PROTECTION AND STRENGTH SURROUND THESE COMMISSIONERS, THEIR STAFFS AND FAMILIES, IN THE NAME OF JESUS I PRAY, AMEN.

>> THANK YOU, PASTOR. >>CHAIR: NOW WE WILL HAVE JERRY DEDGE COME AND LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

GOOD MORNING, THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

IF EVERYBODY WOULD FACE THE FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[Retirement Recognition for Dan Sikes, Public Works Engineering Inspection Supervisor]

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

EVERYBODY PLEASE BE SEATED. THIS MORNING WE HAVE COUPLE OF EXCITING RETIREMENT CEREMONIES AND FIRST WE WILL HAVE MR. DAN SIKES COME UP AND BE RECOGNIZED FOR HIS MANY YEARS OF SERVICE.

MR. SIKES, PLEASE COME TO THE FLOOR.

[INAUDIBLE] FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW JERRY IS ABOUT A TWO HANDICAP. DON'T EVER GET IN A GOLF GAME WITH HIM. [INAUDIBLE]

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DAD IS NOT A BIG SPEAKER IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.

MIND DOORS HE HAS A LOT OF OPINIONS.

WE WILL KEEP THAT TO OURSELVES. I WILL TELL YOU ABOUT THAT LATER. THAT'S FANTASTIC.

[Retirement Recognition for Leslie Banta, Code Enforcement Officer]

MR. POTTER AND MISS BANTA IF YOU WANT TO COME TO THE FLOOR AND BY

YOUR FAMILY. >> GOOD MORNING.

COMMISSIONER, GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE.

THIS MORNING I HAVE A PLEASURE TO BE HERE AND DO A PRESENTATION FOR LESLIE BANTA STARTED JULY 31 OF 2000.

SHE COMPLETED 22 AND A HALF YEARS FOR THIS COUNTY.

AND I THINK ABILITY LESLIE, THREE THINGS COME TO MIND.

COMMITMENT, COMPASSION, AND DEDICATION.

LESLIE EXHIBITED ALL OF THOSE THREE THINGS.

IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT TO -- I GUESS ANOTHER LEVEL, YOU WOULD WANT TO QUEUE IT NOT JUST SQUARE IT.

SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN THE EXACT DEFINITION OF DEDICATION, COMMITMENT AND COMPASSION. NOT ONLY DID SHE SERVE FOR ESTABLISHMENT. JUST TO DEAL WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT SHE'S BEEN THERE MORE THAN 16 YEARS ALL OF THE CERTIFICATION, ALL OF THE LEVELS OF CERTIFICATION.

SHE SERVED IN THE CAPACITY OF THE VICE PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT AND PAST PRESIDENT FOR THE BOARD ASSOCIATION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT.

SHE'S A MEMBER OF THE NORTHEAST ASSOCIATION SHE ALSO SERVED AS PAST PRESIDENT THREE YEARS AS SECRETARY.

LESLIE IS QUALIFIED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT INSTRUCTOR.

SHE'S MARRIED WITH TWO LOVELY CHILDREN.

SHE'S BEEN AN ACTIVE PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY IN THE LOCAL AREA.

SHE HAS PARTICIPATED WITH RELAY FOR LIFE.

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SHE LOVES CRAFTS. HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ACTIVE LEADER IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

TODAY I'M HERE TO PRESENT THIS TO LESLIE AND I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE HER. I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A WAY TO REPLACE HER. BUT WE CAN DO THE BEST WE CAN TO GET SOMEONE TRAINED UP. FOR LESLIE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN IF YOU NEEDED SOMETHING YOU CAN GO TO HER OFFICE.

HE HAS THE DOCUMENTATION OR THE PAPERWORK.

SHE HAS EVERYTHING THAT YOU WOULD NEED, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT ANSWERED OR IF YOU NEED INFORMATION.

THIS THISWOMEN WOMAN IS A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE. I WANT TO PRESENT THIS CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE. [APPLAUSE]

[Public Safety Update]

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER. DIRECTOR OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. CURRENTLY RECENTLY OUR AGENCY PASSED THEIR REACCREDITATION FOR CFA.

NO ISSUES THERE. WE WILL BE NOMINATED I BELIEVE IN JUNE. ALSO WE DID DUI ENFORCEMENT.

UNFORTUNATELY RELATED IN A LOT OF DUI ARRESTS.

HE HOPE PEOPLE GET RIDES NEXT TIME.

WE HOPE THAT CURVES DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE.

THE JAIL AT 450 INMATES. MANAGEABLE LEVEL NOW.

WE HAVE SOME UPGRADES THAT WE WILL BE DOING.

JUST RECENTLY PAST INSPECTIONS. WE'RE GOOD TO GO ON THERE.

OUR CORRECTION STAFF DOES A GOOD BUSINESS THERE.

WE RECENTLY ALSO OPENED UP REENTRY DEPART WHICH IS GOAL TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM COMING BACK TO JAIL.

WE'RE GETTING WITH THEM BEFORE THEY GET OUT.

PARTNERING UP WITH FACE BASED ORGANIZATION.

MAKE SURE THEY GET HOUSING AND HAVE JOBS.

WE ALSO PARTNER WITH SOME LOCAL BUSINESSES TO HAVE HELP JOB WHERE THEY INTERVIEW BEFORE THEY LEAVE THE JAIL.

THEY HAVE BEEN A GREAT HELP. ONE OF THE MAJOR OBSTACLES FOR PEOPLE TO GET JOBS IS NOT HAVING IDEA OR DRIVER'S LICENSE.

THEY SET UP STATION AT THE JAIL. IF SOMEONE NEED ID OR DRIVER LICENSE THEY GIVE THE PATH. WE TAKE THE PICTURE THERE.

AND IT WILL BE SENT OVER TO THE OFFICE AND THEY PRINT IT OUT AND HAVE IT READY FOR THEM WHEN THEY GET OUT.

THAT WILL BE CERTIFIED BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES THIS WEDNESDAY. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

IF ANY OF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR DOING THE OPERATIONAL ACT. THAT'S AN ISSUE HERE.

>> IT SAVES LIVES. >> THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>

>> I WANT TO GIVE BRIEF UPDATE ON A RECAP ON THE TCP THAT WAS HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO BY FIRE RESCUE STANDARDS THIS WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL EVENT FOR THE # DAYS THAT WE WERE STAFFING IT.

WE HAD 61 CALLS FOR SERVICE. 15 BEING TRANSPORTS TO LOCAL FACILITIES. THAT'S WAY DOWN BASED ON PRIEST YEARS. THAT'S -- WE LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. OUR PARTNERS FOR THE EVENTS WERE BAPTIST HELP AND CENTURY AMBULANCE.

EVERYTHING WENT OFF WITHOUT A HITCH FROM OUR STANDPOINT.

>> ALSO ON SATURDAY MARCH 11TH WE PARTICIPATED IN THE ST.

PATRICK'S DAY PARADE. THE FIRE RESCUE LED THE PARADE.

RESCUE BOARD SQUAD FIVE FOLLOWED SUIT.

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ANY QUESTIONS? >>CHAIR: THANK YOU.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE PLAYERS TOURNAMENT THAT WAS FANTASTIC. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THEY ACTUALLY PAY FOR YOUR SERVICES.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT WAS A GOOD MOVE.

[Clerk of Court's Report]

>> THANK YOU. >>>>CHAIR: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU, CHIEF. WE ARE INTO THE CLERK OF COURTS REPORT. MR. PATTY.

GOOD MORNING. I'M JOINED TODAY BY SEVERAL MEMBERS OF OUR COMPTROLLERS OFFICE.

THIS IS FINANCE PROFESSIONAL WEEK.

I WOULD LIKE TO BRAG ON THE GREAT WORK THEY PROVIDE TO THE COUNTY. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE AS YOU ALL KNOW OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL CLERK DUVAL ANDERSON TO INTRODUCE SOME OF HER 16-MEMBER TEAM.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, AND AT AND AT -- ADMINISTRATION. IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE THE TEAM MIND ME ABLE TO MAKE IT THIS MORNING.

WE HAVE MISS CATHY MASSEY OUT FINANCE DIRECTOR.

LAURA BRICKNER ACCOUNTS PAYABLE CLERK.

CHRISTY HAGUAN ACCOUNTS PAYABLE CLERK.

DON HAGUAN, OUR ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE CLERK AND WILLIAMS OUR TREASURY CLERK. NOT PRESENT OUR ENTIRE PAYROLL DEPARTMENT, CATHY, DANNY, MARY JANE, OUR FIXED ASSET COORDINATOR MIKE BRAXTON AND ANOTHER AP CLERK TAMMY THOMAS AND OUR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE SUPPORT MR. LONGSTAFFER.

I WANT TO SAY I'M SO PROUD OF THE TEAM.

WE'VE COME SO FAR. WE HAVE MADE SO MANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND SO MANY DIFFERENT CHANGES ON THE OFFICE FOR THE BETTER. AND WE'RE WE'RE CONTINUING TO MAKE CHANGES CONTINUING TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.

I WANT TO BRAG ON THEM AND SAY I APPRECIATE YOU BEING SO WILLING TO BE OPEN TO CHANGE. TO GIVE THE OFFICE IN MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE PLACE AND JUST TO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. [APPLAUSE] I PUT HER ON THE SPOT ABOUT 30 SECONDS AGO.

WELL DONE. THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING VIVIAN IS OUR 2021 CLERK OF THE YEAR. IT HIGHLIGHTS THE LEVEL OF SUPPORT THEY PROVIDE TO OURS OF AND YOU ALL.

SOME STATISTICS I FIND STRIKING, AS DUVAL MENTIONED WE HANDLE THE BOXES OF ACTIVITY, INCLUDING PAYROLL OVER 1300 TOTALLING MORE THAN 3 MILLION TO MANAGING TRAES TREASURY ACCOUNTS.

OUR AP TEAM WHICH U.S.INGS OVER 4,000 INVOICES AND CUTS OVER 1500 CUTS MONTHLY. TURN AROUND TIME WHICH USED TO BE A MONTH TO NOW DOWN TO LESS THAT TWO WEEKS.

WHICH IS PHENOMENAL AND ITS SUCH REMARKABLE ACHIEVEMENT.

THAT PROJECT GET DONEES ON TIME AND AT A AND AT ADMINISTRATION HELPS US NEED WHAT WE NEED. I CAN'T BEGIN TO EXPRESS HOW PROUD AND GRATEFUL WE ARE. AND IN TURNS RESIDENT QUALITY OF LIFE DEPENDENT ON THE PUBLIC'S CONFIDENCE AND TRUST IN OUR GOVERNMENT. ONE LAST TIME GIVE THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.

[APPLAUSE] I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BRIEFLY TOUCH TOWN RECENT BANK INSTABILITY AND FAILURES WE'VE SEEN IN THE NEWS. AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE ARE COMPTROLLERS OFFICE HELPED MANAGE THE COUNTY'S BANK ACCOUNTS. WE WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW WE'VE BEEN ACTIVELY AND CLOSELY MONITORING THE DEVELOPMENTS AND ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO PROTECT THE TAX PAYERS DOLLARS.

THE THREE BANKS THAT HAVE BEEN PARTICULARLY IN THE NEWS, SILICONE VALLEY AND NEW REPUBLIC ALL HAD SIMILAR THINGS IN CONTACT. THE BANKS WERES FORKED TO SELL BONDS AT THE LOSS WHICH CAUSED FURTHER DEPOSIT AND LOWER CREDIT RATING. WHILE THE COUNTY BANKS ARE NOT FACING THESE FACTOR AT THIS TIME, WE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGING WITH BANKING PARTNERS TO GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE AND IDENTIFY ISSUE AND ENSURE TAX PAYER DOLLARS ARE PROTECTED AND AVAILABLE. THE KEY COMPONENT THE CONTINUED

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HAPPY TO DISCUSS FURTHER AND OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY ALL

HAVE. >> THANK YOU MR. PRATTY.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.

I DID MAKE A NOTE ABOUT THIS. WE VOTED TO NOT DO ESG TYPE STOCKS LAST MEETING. CHAIRMAN.

THEN WE HAD A VOLATILE MARKETS. I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WOULD BE A CHANCE TOW ACTUALLY HAVE AN INVESTMENT AGENT GOING THROUGH THE THINGS WE GOT RID OF OR ARE NOT BUYING VERSIES HOW WE HANDL THE VOLATILITY.

EITHER THAT OR DURING THE BUDGET MEETING IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A DETAILED REPORT. BECAUSE IT'S 300 AND MORE MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE IN THE INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO.

THAT'S JUST A QUESTION I HAD THAT WE COULD DO DOWN THE ROAD.

>> TO SEE WHERE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE.

>> IF YOU ARE ASKING, I THINK JUST IN TERMS OF HAVING AGENDA ITEM PROBABLY GET A BRIEF FROM THE CLERK AND HIS INVESTMENT TEAM. AND THEN SORT OF ROLL THAT INTO THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS AS A DISCUSSION.

>> IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. BECAUSE THE LAST TIME THE TEAM CAME HERE THEY REALLY DIDN'T GIVE THAT KIND OF DETAILED REPORT. AND THEN WE VOTED WITH THE ESG YOU KNOW DECISION THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO INVEST IN THOSE COMPANIES. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN AN ADJUSTMENT. HAVE WE GOTTEN RID OF THOSE.

OR DO WE HAVE THOSE. JUST GOING FORWARD I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A PRESENTATION OF SOME TYPE.

>> MR. PATTY? >> THANK YOU.

THERE'S SOME OF THAT BACK THERE. THE ONE AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING WHERE WE INVESTED WE DID THE YEARLY BRIEFING.

THE COMMISSION AS FAR AS I RECALL, CHAIRMAN, PLEASE CORRECT ME PROVIDED GUIDANCE TO US TO CHANGE THE DEVELOP LANGUAGE FOR THE COUNTY TO VOTE ON POLICY TO P PRECLUDE INVESTMENTS. THAT LANGUAGE IS BEING DEVELOPED. SHOULD BE DEVELOPED IN SHORT ORDER. PFM IS HELPING DEVELOP IT.

ONCE THAT IS COMPLETE IT WILL BE GIVEN TO YOU ALL THROUGH YOUR CONSIDERATION AND FOR POTENTIALLY A VOTE.

IT'S AT THAT POINT YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO HELP ADJUST THE POLICY OR IF YOU HAVE OTHER FACTORS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCLUDED AND DISCUSS ONCE THE FELLOW COMMISSIONER PROVIDE THE POLICY AND GUIDANCE OF WHICH TO MANAGE THE INVESTMENT.

I DON'T LOOK FOR THE POLICY AS MUCH AS HOW WE HANDLE THE MONEY AND ESPECIALLY IN THE VOLATILE MARKET AND WHERE WE ARE INVESTING AND WILL NOT INVEST IF WE D ADOPT THAT POLICY.

>> AS SIT NOW. WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT EXPOSURE TO ANY FUNDS OR BONDS OR SO FORTH THAT CONSIDER ESG FACTORS.

>> THANK YOU. IF DOWN THE ROAD DURING THE BUDGET, MEETING WE COULD GET MORE DETAILED REPORT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. I'M HAPPY TO SHARE OUR MONTHLY STATEMENT. OUR QUARTERLY STATEMENTS.

WE'RE VERY TRANSPORT WITH SUCH AT THE REQUEST.

AND THEN IN ADDITION THE STRESS -- THOSE INVESTMENTS ARE INTO FIXED FUND. WE DON'T INVEST IN EQUITIES WITH THE SURPLUS FUND ACCOUNT. SIMILAR TO WHAT THE BANKS ARE FACING NOW WHERE THEY HAVE TO SELL BONDS FOR A LOSS, WE TAKE OUR -- WE HAVE OUR INVESTMENTS OR TREASURIES AND CORPORATE BONDS AND SO FORTH THAT GO OUT TO MATURITY.

WHEREAS AT THAT MEETING IN FEBRUARY WE SHOWED UNREALIZED LOSSES. THE BANKS PARTICULARLY SILICONE VALLEY BANK REALIZED THE LOSSES THEY SELL AT THE LOSS INTEREST RATES ARE HIGHER THAN WHEN THEY TOOK OUT THE BOND.

THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE CASH EFFECTIVELY. THAT'S PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE BANKS IS ABOUT THE LIQUIDITY. THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK BACK AT THE STATE POLICY FOR IN THE SECURITY OF THE DOLLARS.

AND THEN THE LAWSUIT OF THE PERFORMANCE.

>> AND THE INVESTMENT AT SOME OF THE COMPANIES THAT ARE DOING WELL OR NOT DOING WELL. I SAW A LIST OF THE DIFFERENT COMPANIES WE INVEST MONEY IN. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE

WATCHING THAT. >> TO STRESS THOSE ARE CORPORATE BONDS. THOSE ARE ONES THAT WE TAKE IT OUT. THERE'S A DISCOUNT RATE ON THERE. IT'S FOR A SET DURATION OF FIVE YEARS. WE TAKE THAT TO COMPLETION.

WHEN WE TAKE THAT BOND OUT. WE HAVE THAT BOND UNTIL AS LONG AS WE MANAGE IT. WE DON'T INVEST IN EQUITIES WITH

THE SURPLUS FUNDS. >> GOOD.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>>CHAIR: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THIS WAS JUST TO PROHIBIT THAT IN THE FUTURE IS MY RECOLLECTION. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. AS YOU MAY KNOW THE LEGISLATURE IS PUSHING WORKING LEGISLATION THROUGH TO PROHIBIT THE STATE

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THAT BILL WOULD ALSO POTENTIALLY PRECLUDE LOCAL GOVERNMENT FROM DOING THE SAME. IT'S ONE OF THOSE WHERE THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY TIGHTEN UP OUR POLICY, POTENTIALLY YOU ALL DIRECTION. TO ENSURE THAT IF THERE'S ADMINISTRATION DOWN THE ROAD THAT TRIES TO CHANGE THAT.

WE HEAR IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WILL ENSURE THE FIDUCIARY DUTY ARE FOCUSED ON THOSE THREE CORE FACTORS AND NOTE FACTOR THAT

[Deletions to Consent Agenda]

THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ANY DELETION TO CONSENT AGENDA? >> NONE.

THANK YOU. 82 COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> NONE. >> I HAVE NONE.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> NONE.

>> THEN WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE

CONSENT AGENDA. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 20 AND 231.

THE ARTS CULTURE AND HERITAGE FUNDING PANEL.

THE BY LAWS OF NEWS ARTS. WOULD YOU TAKE IT OFF AND HAVE THE STAFF MAKE A PRESENTATION. IF PERTINENT STAFF MEMBERS ASK THEM TO COME BACK WHEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE DOING AWAY WITH QUALIFIED PEOPLE.

CATEGORICALLY. ON THE ARTS CULTURAL AND HERITAGE EVALUATION PANEL. WE ARE NOW SAYING THE TWO COME FROM TDC TWO COME FROM CULTURE COUNCIL.

TWO FROM BCB AND ONE FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

YOU ALL KNOW THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WAS FOUNDED BY PRESIDENT WILLIAM HOWARD CAFT AS AN ANTI LABOR ORGANIZATION.

I OBJECT CATTED CATEGORICALLY TO MAKING CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE ARTS CULTURE AND HERITAGE EVALUATION PANEL. WHERE IS THE EXPERTISE.

WHERE IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. I CONSIDER THAT VIOLATE THE CALK DOCK ADMINISTRATE. WE WILL LIMIT PARTICIPATION IN GOVERNMENT ADVISORY TO MEMBERS OF A CERTAIN ECONOMIC INTEREST.

AN ECONOMIC INTEREST THAT IS CONSISTENTLY AND HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY FOR ALMOST MORE THAN 100 YEARS ANTI LABOR, ANTI ENVIRONMENTAL, ANTI REFORM. WE DON'T ONLY GIVE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND WHERE IS OUR RETURN.

BUT WE WILL SAY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE GETS TO CHOOSE ARTIST AND MUSICIANS AND CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS TO GET FUNDING FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY FROM THE TAX? I OBJECT. THERE'S NO PRINCIPLE REASON.

I LOOKED AT THE BACK UP MATERIAL.

I DIDN'T SEE EXPLANATION FOR THAT.

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THAT? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ARTS CULTURE AND HERITAGE EVALUATION. IT HAS TO DO WITH WE'RE GOING TO EMPOWER THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BECAUSE YOU ARE REPUBLICANS AND YOU CAN. CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAVE NO MORE EXPERTISE ON ARTS AND CULTURAL THAN THEY DO ON ECONOMICS OR VO VOTING RIGHT.

HERE WE ARE INSTITUTIONAL THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AS HAVING SUPERIOR RIGHT TO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME LIKE I WAS A SIX-YEAR-OLD.

PLEASE TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA AND TALK ABOUT IT.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WHEN I MET I KNOW MISS MEEKS IN THE BACK.

I ASKED HER THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. SHE GAVE ME A GOOD EXPLANATION.

DO YOU WANT HER TO COME UP AND GIVE A TWO-MINUTE EXPLANATION.

>> I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >>

>> GOOD MORNING. DIRECTOR OF CULTURE AND TOURISM

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WHAT WE FUND OVER THE YEARS IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK FOR THE PUBLIC TO ASK MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO VOLUNTEER AND REVEAL THESE APPLICATIONS. WE GET AROUND 40 TO 45 EACH YEAR. THEY SPEND ALL THIS TIME REVIEWING THEM. THEY COME IN TO THIS MEETING THAT LAST FIVE HOURS AND THEN THEY NICELY TELL US THE FOLLOWING YEAR THAT THEY REALLY DON'T THINK THEY CAN DO THIS AGAIN. WE HAVE MADE A COUPLE CHANGES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEAR. WE DID HISTORICALLY HAVE OUT OF COUNTY MEMBERS. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FILL THE SEAT. WE'RE ALL INCOUNTY MEMBER.

WE HAD TROUBLE FILLING WITH VOLUNTEERS.

IT'S A TREMENDOUS WORKLOAD. WE'RE LOOKING TO SHIFT THAT FROM THE VOLUNTEER POSITIONS TO OUR COUNTY PARTNERS IF YOU WILL AND STAFF TO TAKE ON THIS EXERCISE OF REVIEWING THE ARTS CULTURE HERITAGE GRANTS APPLICATIONS. THESE ARE GRANTS THAT ARE FUNDED WITH TOURIST DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS AND THE INTENT OF THEM IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT'S TO BRING PEOPLE HERE SO THEY STAY THE NIGHT AND SPEND THEIR MONEY.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH FUND.

THE COMPOSITION OF THE BOARD TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND STAFF. IT'S THE VCB.

THE CULTURE COUNCIL STAFF AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE STAFF AND THE REASON WHY THOSE THREE ORGANIZATIONS WERE SELECTED.

THAT'S WHO WE PARTNER IN FUNDED CONTRACTS FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS. THE CULTURAL COUNCIL OVERSEES THE GRANTS PROGRAM. THE VCB DOES A VART OF SERVICES LIKE BLACK BOOKING AND ADVERTISING AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE RUNS THE VISITOR INFORMATION IN PONTEVEDRA.

WE MAKE THIS SHIFT OUT OF NECESSARY.

WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING TO FILL THE POSITION.

WE WILL TASK THE PEOPLE THAT WE CAN FORCE TO DO IT EVERY YEAR TO START TO DO IT. WE TALKED TO PARTNERS ABOUT IT.

THEY ARE HAPPY AND AMENABLE TO DO SO.

WE THINK THAT IT'S A QUALIFY TEAM WHO IS VERSED IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY, LOCAL TOURIM THE ARTS CULTURE HERITAGE ASPECT OF THINGS AND WE FEEL WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE GOOD QUALITY PRODUCT OUT OF THIS TEAM. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO FUND

[Approval of Consent Agenda]

GOOD QUALITY EVENTS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS MEEK

WHILE WE HAVE HER. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT

THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. THE CONSENT AGENDA PASSES 5-0.

[INAUDIBLE] GETTING TO POINT WHERE WE HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO ACQUIRE THE EASEMENT THAT CORPUS POINT TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE DRAMATIC THEY'VE EXPERIENCED OVER THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS. THAT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS.

I APPRECIATE IT THAT IT WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR APPROVAL

TODAY. >> THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT.

>> THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT.

DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

>> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO? >> NONE.

>> I HAVE NONE. >> NONE.

[Approval of Regular Agenda]

>> NONE. >> DO WE NEED TO HEAR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> WE JUST NEED A MOTION TO I A PROVE REGULAR AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENT COMES LATER.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> MOVE TO APPROVE THE REGULAR

[1. Public Hearing * DRI MOD 2022-01 RiverTown. This request was continued from the March 7, 2023, Commissioners’ meeting to provide a status of the Veterans Parkway construction from Longleaf Pine Parkway to CR 210. The request is to modify the RiverTown Development of Regional Impact (DRI) to revise the school mitigation requirements, address the abandonment of the Eagle nest, which include changes to Map H (DRI Master Plan), the proposed Greenway Map and the Wildlife/Plant Resources Map, add a date certain for the provision of a library site and a fire station site, clarify the residential development rights include age restricted units, and reduce the proposed roundabout locations on SR 13. A PUD Major Modification accompanies this DRI Modification request. RiverTown is located along SR 13 North, south of Greenbriar Road, with Longleaf Pine Parkway being located to the east. The Planning and Zoning Agency recommended approval with a 6-0 vote. The Agency discussed the provision of the fire station and library sites, and the School Mitigation Agreement. The applicant provided two sites were under consideration by the County. Further the applicant provided the School District had approved the School Mitigation Agreement. There was no public comment.]

AGENDA. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY YEA. ANY OPPOSED? THE AGENDA IS APPROVED. WE ARE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NO. ONE

WHICH IS EX PARTE. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.

ON MONDAY MARCH 6TH AT 1:30 I MET WELLEN AVERY TO DISCUSS THE UP YOU INVOLVING THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.

I THINK THAT YOU BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING.

>> ON MARCH 2ND, I HAD A MEETING WELLEN AVERY SMITH TO DISCUSS THE AMENDMENTS THEY WERE ASKING FOR AND HIGH THEY WERE ASKING.

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>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAD MEETING TUESDAY FEBRUARY 28 LITTLE AT 12:30 WELLEN AVERY SMITH AND STAFF.

WE DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT AS WELL AS THE TRANSPORTATION CONCERNS THAT I HAD.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. .

>> HAD A MEETING THURSDAY MARCH 2ND AT 2:00 P.M. WITH ELLEN

AVERY SMITH. >> WE ARE READY FOR ITEM NO.

ONE. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

ELLEN AVERY SMITH ROGERS-TOWERS. WITH ME TODAY FROM RIVERTOWN IS A DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT THE MASTER DEVELOPER OF THE PROJECT. AND SO DJ SMITH IS HERE IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS THAT HE IS QUALIFIED TO ANSWER.

ALSO RYAN SEALWELL OUR PROJECT ENGINEER IS HERE.

AS WELL AS PATRICK PIERCE WHO IS OUR PROJECT ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT IN CASE WE NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE DETAILS. I AM NOT GOING TO BORE YOU WITH A LOT OF THIS DETAIL. WE WENT OVER IT ON MARCH 7TH BUT JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

RIVERTOWN HAS BEEN AN APPROVED DEVELOPMENT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. ORIGINALLY APPROVE FORD THE SAINT JOE COMPANY IN 2004. AND SO JUST TO GO THROUGH INCLUDES 4500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS ABOUT HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE COMMERCIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

ALMOST 200 ACRES OF RECREATION DOCKS FOR BOATS FOR RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY. IT WAS APPROVED FOR 18-HOLE GOLF COURSE WHICH DOESN'T EXIST TODAY.

IT DOES INCLUDE THREE PUBLIC SCHOOL SITES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST TIME AROUND. AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THIS MODIFICATION IS TO UPDATE THE SCHOOL MITIGATION TO REFLECT A NEW AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.

WE ARE REFLECTING AN AGENDA EAGLE NEST SITE WHICH I WILL SHOW YOU THE LOCATION OF IN JUST A MOMENT.

UPDATING THE FIRE STATION AND LIBRARY SITE TIME LINE FOR THE COUNTY ACCEPTANCE OF THE SITES, IF YOU SO CHOOSE.

IF COUNTY DOESN'T NEED LIBRARY SITE OR THE FIRE STATION SITE FOR EXAMPLE IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO GO TO HILO PROJECT THEY CAN CHOOSE THAT SITE AND NOT THE RIVERTOWN SITE.

AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITS 770 ARE AGE RESTRICTED WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR SCHOOL MITIGATION.

THEY DON'T ALLOW SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN TO RESIDE WITHIN THEM.

AND THEN WE'RE REVISING THE MAPS TO REFLECT THE REMOVAL OF THE EAGLE NEST SITE AND ALSO GETTING RID OF ONE OF THE ROUNDABOUTS ON STATE ROAD 13. AGAIN I WON'T BELABOR.

WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SCHOOL AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.

WE'RE LITERALLY DELETING THE NAME OF THE OLD AGREEMENT AND INSERTING THE NAME OF THE NEW AGREEMENT FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD INTO THE DRI DEVELOPMENT WORK. THAT'S CHANGE NUMBER ONE.

CHANGE NUMBER 2 YOU CAN SEE IN THE BROWN CIRCLE IN YELLOW THAT'S THE OLD EAGLE NEST SITE. THAT EAGLE NECESSARY TREE NO LONGER EXISTS. IT WAS DESTROYED IN A FIRE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. YOUR STAFF FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AS WELL AS THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EAGLE PROTECTION AGENCIES IF YOU WILL HAVE DETERMINED THAT BY LAW IT'S BEEN FIVE YEARS SINCE A BALD EAGLE PAIR HAS BEEN IN THE NEST.

AGAIN, THE TREE DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.

THEY HAVE DETERMINED BY LAW THE NEST CAN BE AGENDAED.

AND SO YOU REFLECT THE REMOVAL OF THAT EAGLE PROTECTION ZONE FROM THIS MAP. THERE'S STILL TWO BALD EAGLE NEST. ONE IN POPO POINT.

AND ONE DOWN HERE NEAR THE SOUTHERN END OF RIVERTOWN.

AGAIN, GOING TO THE FIRE STATION HERE'S THE PROPOSED LIBRARY SITE, THE PROPOSED FIRE STATION SITE.

THIS MODIFICATION JUST EXTENDS THE DAYS BY BY THE COUNTY STAFF HAS TO DECIDE IF THE COUNTY WANTS ONE OR BOTH OF THOSE SITES. WE HAVE OFFERED TO YOU AT THE LAST MEETING WE WENT OVER THESE MAPS THAT SHOWS YOU THE LARGER LIBRARY SITE, BECAUSE STAFF HAS SAID YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE LARGER LIBRARY AND LARGER FIRE STATION.

THESE ARE THE OFFERS OF THE LARGER SITES.

THIS LIBRARY SITE HAS A SHARED STORMWATER POND AS WELL AS THE SHARED ACCESS ROAD. THAT'S ON THE TABLE.

AND THEN ALSO HERE'S THE FIRE STATION SITE.

THAT HAS THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDED POND SITE.

YOU CAN RECONFIGURE THIS PROPERTY WHICH IS ABOUT FOUR ACRES IN SIZE. WHICH IS DOUBLE THE REQUIREMENT OF THE TWO ACRES IN DEVELOPER BORDER RIGHT NOW.

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WE'RE SIMPLY NOTING THAT 770 OF THOSE UNITS ARE AGE RESTRICTED.

THEY ARE ALSO DEED RESTRICTED BY RESTRICTIVE COVENANT SO NO SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN CAN LIVE IN THAT PORTION.

IT'S CALLED WATER ZONE OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN, UPDATING THE MAPS TO REMOVE THE BALD EAGLE NEST AND ALSO SHOWING THAT THERE'S A ROUNDABOUT WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RIVER TOWN FIELDS. I THINK YOU'RE AWARE MAYBE YOUR KIDS OR GRANDKIDS OR FRIENDS HAVE PLAYED AT THE FIELDS ON THE BASEBALL FIELDS OR THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS.

THERE WILL NOT BE A ROUNDABOUT THERE ON STATE ROAD 13.

JUST THREE IN RIVERTOWN. THE NEWEST ONE BEING BY THE K-8 SCHOOL SITE. AND SO TO GO TO OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT VETERAN'S PARKWAY. THIS IS A PRINTOUT FROM YOU -- I CALL IT LOT SYSTEM. YOU CAN SEE APPROVAL TIME LINE FOR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR VETERAN'S PARKWAY WHICH IS ALSO CALLED COUNTY ROAD 223.

COUNTY ROAD 210. BASICALLY, THERE'S A 14-PLUS MILLION DOLLAR BOND THAT WAS POSTED ON JULY 29TH.

YOU HAVE THAT BOND AND DEVELOPMENT ORDER GIVES UNTIL JULY 19TH, 2024 TO COMPLETE THE ROAD.

WITH THAT BEING SAID. I THINK HERE'S LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY. THIS ICI PROJECT.

THIS PORTION OF THE ROAD IS COMPLETED AND OPEN.

IT STILL NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF WORK.

MINOR WORK. THIS PORTION DOWN TO WATER ENTRANCE IS AS BUILT MAN REVIEW. THERE'S STILL SOME TREES THAT NEED TO BE PLANTED IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAYS AND SOME OTHER MINOR DETAILS THAT SHOULD BE FINISHED WITH WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE MONTHS. THAT WILL OPEN THIS PORTION OF THE ROAD AND FOUR-LANE ENTIRETY. THEN THE REMAINDER OF THIS ROAD DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND MADAMI WORKING WITH COUNTY STAFF AND THE ENGINEERS ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ULTIMATE I WILL CALL IT FOUR-LANE INTERSECTION AT 210, 210 WEST GREENBRIGHTER ROAD IN VETERANS. THE OBLIGATION UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER TO TIE INTO THE EXIST INTERSECTION.

WE ALL REALIZE THAT WOULD BE A WASTE OF TAX PAYER DOLLARS TO SPENT ABOUT MILLION DOLLARS TO TIE IN ONLY TO TEAR IT UP WHEN THE COUNT YIP GETS THERE WITH THE 210 EXTENSION.

WE'RE WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF TO PROVIDE WHO WILL BUILD THAT AND FINANCE IT. THAT'S SYSTEM ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE SENT OVER FRIDAY. WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOUR STAFF ABOUT CONTINUING TO BUILD THROUGH AND DOWN TO AN ULTIMATE FOUR-LANE INTERSECTION AT THAT LOCATION.

THE GUYS ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE MORE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.

THEY ARE IN CONSTRUCTION AND ENGINEERING.

WITH THAT I WILL WRAP IT UP AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

>> THANK YOU MISS AVERY SMITH. >> THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NO. ONE. ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD COME TO PODIUM AND STATE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS.

HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND COMPLY WITH THE RULES OF DECORUM. ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD.

NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL AND PERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOYSTEROUS BEHAVIOR.

FINALLY I WOULD ASK THAT ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS OVERHEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO STAFF OF THE CLERK OF COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD.

THANK YOU. >>CHAIR: GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME THE GLORIA NORTH. I LIVE 664 WILD CYPRESS CIRCLE.

I'M HERE BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE EFFECTED. NEGATIVELY BY MORE BUILDING.

WE HAVE CONGESTED ROAD. >> IS IN ABOUT AGENDA ITEM 1?

>> WHICH IS RIVERTOWN. >> YES.

>> JUST CLARIFYING. >> THE CONGESTED ROADS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC INCREASE.

THE SCHOOL PORTABLES THAT WE ARE NOW PUTTING OUR CHILDREN IN, THAT NOW NUMBER ABOUT 500. THEY ARE NOT IN SCHOOL

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I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF THE BALD EAGLE NEST THAT WAS JUST MENTIONED. I'M A ST. JOHN'S AUDUBON MEMBER.

AND THE BALD EAGLES ARE MONITORED BUT THE OTHER NESTS THAT EFFECTED NEGATIVELY ARE NOT MONITORED.

AND THAT -- THAT'S THE BIRD'S HOMES.

AND WE'RE REMOVING THE BIRD'S HOMES.

AND AFFECTING THE NUMBERS. THERE AREN'T EVEN ENOUGH DOCTORS FOR THE NEW PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN TO OUR COMMUNITY.

I HAVE A FRIEND WHO WENT TO THREE DOCTORS AND DENIED.

SHE WENT TO OFFICE THINK I THINK SHE HAD AN APPOINTMENT AND WAS TOLD THEY COULDN'T SEE HER. BOTH MONETARILY AND PHYSICALLY.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MORE HOMES, MORE TO CARE FOR, MORE TO PREVENT FIRES. THE TIME GETTING TO A FIRE HAS TO BE NEGATIVELY EFFECTED IF THERE ARE MORE HOMES TO MONITOR.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY REPORTED THERE'S INCREASED CRIMES. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AS YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN? MORE CRIME.

I THINK IT MIGHT BE TIME TO THINK OF A MORATORIUM ON BUILDING IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THIS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> I JUST -- MA'AM, I WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF YOUR COMMENTS.

MISS AVERY SMITH WENT THROUGH A LOT OF INFORMATION.

TODAY WE ARE NOT CONSIDERING ADDING MORE HOMES.

THESE ARE HOMES THAT WERE APPROVED MANY YEARS AGO.

THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO ADD MORE HOMES.

THEN THE EAGLE NEST THAT TREE WHERE THE EAGLE NEST USED TO BE, IT BURNED DOWN. THAT TREE DOESN'T EXIST.

WHAT MISS AVERY EXPLAINED. IT HAS TO GO THROUG A STATE REVIEWED PROCESS WHEREBY OVER FIVE YEARS THEY DETERMINE EAGLE WON'T COME BACK TO THAT NEST. THAT'S WHY THEY ELIMINATE IT.

THE TREE IS GONE. >> THANK YOU.

>> MY PLEASURE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

>> GOOD MORNING. ED SLAVEN.

I AGREE ABOUT THE BALD EAGLES. THERE'S NO SWORN TESTIMONY ABOUT THE BALD EAGLES. WE SHOULD REQUIRE SWORN TESTIMONY IN EVERY ONE OF THESE MEETING.

EVERY ONE OF THE MEETING. NOT JUST HAVE DEVELOPER ATTORNEY MAKE ASSURANCES. I ALSO OBJECT TO THE PERVASIVE PRACTICE OF COMMISSIONER CONTINUING TO MEAT WITH THE DEVELOPERS EX-EX PARTE. NO VIDEO.

NO CITIZEN WITNESSES. YOU DON'T NAME THE STAFF PEOPLE.

YOU DON'T SAY WHO STAFF PEOPLE. THE DEVELOPER STAFF PEOPLE? DO THEY HAVE NAMES? ARE THEY LOBBYIST.

ON THE BALD EAGLE NEST HARKENING BACK TO OCTOBER THE 8TH, OF 2001. WE HAD A DEVELOPER IN SAINT AUGUSTIN, THE LATE ME AREA THOMPSON GRANDSON OF THE AIN'T AUGUSTINE RECORD ORDERED A BALD EAGLE NEST TREE CUT DOWN.

AND EVENTUALLY THE FEDS PROS KOOULTED H -- PROSECUTED HIM.

16 ACRES OF WETLAND MITIGATION. 300,000 FINE.

IF THIS WERE IN TEXAS SPECIAL AGENDA R ANYONE ELSE NORTHERN PART OF FLORIDA ANYWHERE MR. THOMPSON WOULD HAVE BEEN PROSECUTE FOR VIOLATION OF THE BIRD TREATY AND THE BALD AND GOLDEN EAGLE PROTECTION ACT AND ALSO AT THE TIME ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT. I'M CONCERNED DEVELOPER CAN CHOP DOWN A TREE OR HAVE A FIRE OR WHATEVER HAPPENED HERE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY SWORN RECORD AS TO EXACTLY THAT HAPPENED.

WE'RE LACKING A RECORD. I CALL IT LEGISLATIVE HISTORY.

AND WHAT COULD THEY POSSIBLY TELL YOU IN THOSE MEETINGS THAT YOU DON'T WANT ME TO KNOW? OR THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM? COULD IT BE THEY WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE GEE IT'S MAXIMUM. THERE NEEDS TO BE A VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS. [INAUDIBLE]

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SHE ONLY MET WITH APPLICANT ONCE WHEN SHE FELT THERE WAS AN UNFAIRNESS GOING ON. I ASK YOU POSTPONE UNTIL WE HAVE A REPORT ON THE BALD EAGLES WITH SWORN TESTIMONY.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NO. ONE?

>> SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> MISSION AVERY SMITH. >> JUST ONE CLARIFICATION.

THERE'S ACTUAL DOCUMENTATION FROM A SCIENTIST IN YOUR STAFF REPORT REGARDING THE ABANDONMENT OF THE EAGLES NEST AND FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURES HE FOLLOWED TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL AND STATE AND COUNTY LAW. THANK YOU.

>>CHAIR: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

COMMENTS? >> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENT.

I WILL MOVE APPROVE RESOLUTION 2023-01.

RIVERTOWN BASED ON FIVE FINDING OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF

REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

[2. Evaluation and Appraisal Review (EAR) for the Comprehensive Plan. Presentation of the process and content requirements of the upcoming Evaluation and Appraisal Review (EAR) for the County's Comprehensive Plan pursuant to Section 163.3191, F.S. General discussion of the County's current Plan; development of a preliminary list of key planning issues to be addressed; and process to be utilized to obtain citizen input.]

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S GOING TO TAKE US ON TO AGENDA ITEM NO. 2 THE FINAL AGENDA ITEM ON THE REGULAR AGENDA TODAY.

WHICH IS PRESENTATION BY MICHAEL ROBERSON IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

WELCOME. >> GOOD MORNING.

I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY TO BRIEF YOU ON THIS PROCESS. WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS. IT'S BASICALLY A REVIEW OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BEFORE WE GET INTO WHAT THE EAR EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REVIEW. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE COMP PLAN SO EVEN CAN UNDERSTAND. IN SOME STATES THEY CALL IT THE GENERAL PLAN. HERE THEY CALL IT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S REQUIRED FOR STATE STATUTES FOR ALL JURISDICTIONS. BUT I LIKE THE TERM GENERAL PLAN BECAUSE IT'S AN OVERVIEW. IT'S NOT -- IT SHOULDN'T BE HIGHLY DETAILED SET OF DOCUMENTS.

THIS IS FROM STATUTE 163. PRINCIPALS, GUIDELINES, STANDARD AND STRATEGIES. FOR THE? MENT OF THE AREA THAT REFLECTS COMMUNITY COMMITMENT TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN IN IT'S OWN. IT'S EXPRESSED GOALS OBJECTIVE AND POLICIES THAT'S FOR THE COMP PLAN ALONG WITH THE MAPS.

BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE ELEMENTS THE TOPICS THERE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, RIGHT. THAT'S A BIG ONE.

FUTURE LAND USE. TRANSPORTATION, WATER AND SEWER.

THEY COINCIDE WITH OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH AS WELL. THEY NEED TO TALK TO EACH OTHER.

THEY CAN'T BE STAND ALONE. BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE INTEGRATED IN ORDER TO WORK PROPERLY AND GET TO US THE FUTURE. THAT'S WHAT THE COMP PLAN IS.

IT INFORMS LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION.

INFORMS THE ACTIVITIES AND GROUPS.

ALL THE THINGS THAT RUN THE COUNTY.

AND THEY CREATE -- ALLOW FOR THE DETAILS; RIGHT? . THAT'S THE COMP PLAN.

WHY ARE WE HERE. EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL PROCESS. THAT'S REQUIREMENT BY THE STATE.

EVERY 7 YEARS THE COUNTY OR JURISDICTION HAS TO EVALUATE AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO OTHER THAN RESPOND TO STATE CHANGES THAT'S THERE.

POPULATION CHANGES, OF COURSE, WE HAD A LOT OF THAT.

44% GROWTH. AND THEN OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.

EVERY 7 YEARS WHERE WE ARE TO LOOK AND RESPOND TO THE STATE AGENCY, STATE LAND PLANNING AGENCY WHICH IS THE EO.

WE WOULD SEND THAT LETTER AND THEN ULTIMATELY ONE YEAR LATER IF WE HAD CHANGES TO MAKE WE WOULD MAKE SURE WE GOT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS. YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT

PROCESS; RIGHT? >> HOW DO WE GET THERE.

THE PROCESS WE GET THE DIRECTION ON THE LETTER AND WHETHER OR NOT TO UPDATE. THAT'S OUR FIRST TASK.

AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT THE BROAD PROCESS REVIEW.

LEGAL WOULD LOOK AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ON TASK.

ANYTHING THAT'S CHANGED WE NEED TO UPDATE PERIOD.

AND THEN POLICY, WHAT DO WE WANT TO UPDATE? MAYBE WE START AGAIN THIS IS KIND OF STAFF'S IDEA.

IT'S STAFF'S IDEA TO GET INITIAL IDEAS FROM COMMISSION FOR THE GOALS OBJECTIVE AND POLICY DO WE WANT TO ADD ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS.

FROM THAT POINT COME BACK TO INTERNAL REVIEW FOR EACH DEPARTMENT. WE KNOW THINGS WE NEED TO CHANGE OR LIKE TO SUGGEST TO CHANGE AS WELL INCLUDING THE MAP SERIES.

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I DON'T THINK ANYONE THINKING WE PUT IT OUT THERE AND MAYBE IF THEY THINK IT'S SHORT THAT'S OKAY.

KIT BE CHANGED. THE COMMISSION WILL DICK TATE THAT. WE PUT IT UP FOR PLACE HOLDER.

THE PROCESS THAT WE GET INPUT, RIGHT, ON THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WOULD BE THROUGH THE WEB. THROUGH E-MAIL, IT COULD BE THROUGH MAIL. IT COULD BE THROUGH HARD COPIES AT ALL OUR LIBRARYINGS. WHEREVER IT MAKES SENSE.

BUT ULTIMATELY CREATING ACCOMPLISHED PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE PUBLIC BE PART OF THIS PROCESS. ONCE THAT IS DONE.

WE HAVE A CULT OFF THERE. WE GET THE STAFF ANALYSIS OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE ANALYZE ALL THOSE COMMENTS AND WE INTEGRATE WHAT MAKES SENSE AND WHAT WE CAN PUT IN THERE.

THEN WE UPDATE THE DRAFT AND GET IT TO A COMMISSION AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, PUBLIC MEETING, AND THINGS TO FLUSH IT OUT. MILESTONES HERE.

I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE LETTER OF DETERMINATION.

AUGUST 2024 WHEN WE WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT.

THAT'S OUR DEADLINE. ALL JURISDICTIONS HAVE DEADLINES AND THEY ARE STAGGERED. THE LETTER OF DETERMINATION WOULD GO TO DEO AND ALL THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, BY THE WAY FOR DEPARTMENT OF DEP. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, ET CETERA. WE SUBMIT THAT LETTER.

LET THEM KNOW IF WE HAVE CHANGES.

AND THEN REALLY, OUR TASK WOULD BE BY JULY 2025 WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO TRANSMIT ANY OF THOSE CHANGES TO THE DATE.

ONCE WE TRANSMIT THAT, THE STATE HAS 60-DAY REVIEW.

DIFFERENT THAN 40-DAY. THIS STATE COORDINATED REVIEW PROCESS. THEY WOULD GIVE US FEEDBACK.

LET ME GIVE CLARIFICATION. ON THIS ADOPTION, WE WOULD HAVE 180 DAYS. ORDER TO GET THE COMP PLANS THROUGH ADOPTION. BASICALLY SIX FULL MONTHS.

ONE CLARIFICATION OR ONE ADDITIONAL NOTE OF INFORMATION WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PROJECT MANAGER I THINK COMMISSIONER DEAN -- WHO DO WE HAVE TO KEEP US ON TRACK.

THAT'S DAVID KEERNAN. HE'S OUR COUNTY ECONOMIST.

HE'S THE MAN. I WILL HELP US STAY ON TARGET.

IN A NUTSHELL THAT'S OUR VIEW HOW THE PROCESS COULD WORK.

IT'S A PROCESS THAT MAY CHANGE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE BOARD DECIDES THE DO WITH THE POLICIES.

I HOPE I DIDN'T LEAVE ANYTHING OUT.

I'M HERE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I GOT TWO COMMISSIONERS WHO WANT

TO SPEAK. >> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

ONE IS WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD WANT TO USE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT JUST BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPERS VERSES OTHERS VERSES

THE TEAM AND STAFF AND ALL THAT? >> I WOULD SAY THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD. IT WILL DEPEND ON HOW MUCH CHANGE THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNTY WANTS TO MAKE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS PLAN IS BROAD.

THERE'S LAND USE. IT'S A MUCH BROADER CONCEPT THAN THAT. TO YOUR POINT AND TO YOUR QUESTION. IT JUST DEPENDS.

I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AN OUTSIDE PARTY HELP US WITH IT.

AS WE GO ALONG AND MAYBE WE GET INTO THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

THEN MAYBE I COULD GIVE YOU RECOMMENDATION.

>> I KIND OF HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

NOT ALL OF US HAVE BEEN HERE FOR COMMISSIONER DEAN MAY UNDERSTAND THIS MORE. DO WE GO BACK AND MEASURE HOW WE PERFORM BASED ON THE GOALS TEN YEARS AGO? WE HAVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SORT OF COLLAPSED AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES AGAIN GOING FORWARD.

>> SURE. I THINK THROUGH THE PROCESS, ONE HAS TO LOOK AT HOW WE'VE DONE. THAT'S HOW WE WILL -- IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE WILL HAVE TO EVALUATE HOW WE HAVE DONE TO ENSURE THAT WE IMPROVE.

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AND THAT'S MY BIGGEST FEARS. COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> FIRST OF ALL. LET'S CHAT A MINUTE ABOUT COORDINATOR WHAT WOULD BE SOUP TO NUTS BEGIN TO END.

IF THEY HAVION WORKING FOR US THE COMMISSION AND THE EXPERIENCE TO COORDINATE WITH ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS THE RESIDENTS, THE LAND OWNERS, THE GROUPS THAT REACHED OUT TO ME AND THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE COME TO AGREEMENT ON PROBABLY 15 OUT OF 20 ITEMS THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO WORK POTENTIAL LUE ON. I THINK WE NEED -- I THINK WE NEED A FULL-TIME AT SOME POINT. I'M NOT SURE HOW SOON, OR HOW LATE. BUT I THINK WE NEED SOMEONE THAT BASICALLY IS VIEWED AS -- LET'S SAY A NEUTRAL PARTY THAT HAS EXPERTISE. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT.

HE PROBABLY PERMANENT LAND USE ATTORNEY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. SOME SORT OF A JUNIOR, MINI-ME WHO HAS DEALT WITH LAND ISSUES IN FLORIDA F.

THAT'S MY THOUGHT TO KICK AROUND.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOMEONE.

I ALSO THINK THAT OUR STAFF INCLUDING MIKE'S SUGGESTION HAS A FULL-TIME JOB WHETHER THEY ARE EXPECTED TO DO A LOT AND COORDINATE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT CONCERNING THE GROWTH PLAN REVIEW. I THINK IS PROBABLY PUTTING A GREATER BURDEN ON THAT INDIVIDUAL WHEN WE NEED SOMEONE FULL-TIME TO ADDRESS THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND COMP PLAN.

THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST.

WITH THAT SAID, I ALSO THINK THAT WE NEED TO EXTEND THE COMMENT TIME FROM 30 TO 60 DAYS. SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME. 30 DAYS CAN ADD UP REAL QUICK.

I THINK THE 60-DAY PERIOD FOR COMMENTS WOULD ALLOW GROUPS LIKE CIVIC ROUNDTABLE TO MEET AND TALK TO TAKE A VOTE AND MAKE DECISIONS. 30 DAYS IS A LITTLE BIT QUICK.

THOSE ARE MY -- THE POINTS I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS MORNING. AND GIVEN THIS TIME FRAME, I GUESS THAT WE REALLY PROBABLY COULD SUBMIT A LETTER OF DETERMINATION WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR LEADING UP TO AUGUST OF '24 WITHOUT SPENDING AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME ON THE SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES. BECAUSE AS I READ THE MILESTONES CHART WE HAVE TIME TO SUBMIT WHAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIVE LIST OF CHANGES THAT WE WOULD BE MAKING TO THE COMP PLAN.

AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO START NO LATER THAN THIS SUMMER WITH SOME INITIAL PUBLIC HEARINGS.

COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND I WILL CLOSE BY SAYING MY RECOMMENDATION TOO IS I THINK THAT WE WOULD -- MY RECOMMENDATION TO ALL OF YOU IS THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST FIVE TOTOWN HALL MEETINGS.

THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE ARE THIS MORNING.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS

THERE. >> WHATEVER THIS BOARD DECIDES TO DO, WE WILL ROLL WITH IT. LET ME ADD A PIECE OF

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THIS IS KIND OF OUR INITIAL BRIEFING TOWN PROCESS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY MOTIONS FOR YOU AT THIS POINT AND WHATEVER DIRECTION YOU GIVE AT THIS POINT IS UP TO YOU.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO. WE STAND READY.

THANKS. >>CHAIR: ARE THERE IN OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST A PRESENTATION. I KNOW THERE'S SOME COMMUNITY INTEREST. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS WE ARE CONSIDERING THIS ITEM, SOLICIT INPUT.

FROM ANYBODY IN AUDITORIUM THAT WISHES TO COMMENT.

MADAM VICE CHAIR. THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NO. 2. AGENDA ANY TIME NUMBER 2.

>>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME THE LISA MCGLENN. I HAVE HONOR CHAIRING THE CIVIC ROUNDTABLE. I WANT TO SAY FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS PRESENTATION.

AND GETTING THE PROCESS STARTED. I WANT TO THANK MR. ROBERSON FOR PUTTING TOGETHER A PRESENTATION AND GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THIS. AS COMMISSIONER DEAN MENTIONED THE ROUND STABLE AND THE BUILDER'S ASSOCIATION HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WAYS THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO HELP MAKE THE COUNTY BE THE BEST IT CAN BE.

ONE OF OUR SUGGESTIONS TO YOU IS TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT.

I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO DO YOUR DAY JOB.

AND THEN TRY TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S BIGGER AND MORE VISIONARY. I'VE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE MANY TIMES IN MY CAREER. I HAVE FOUND THE VALUE ON SOMEONE ON THE OUTSIDE BEING A FACILITATOR HELPS THE PROCESS.

AND ALSO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT ABOUT 30 DAYS.

30 DAYS ISN'T LONG ENOUGH. IT WILL TAKE US 30 DAYS OR MORE JUST TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS. THE COMP PLAN IS ABOUT OUR FUTURE. YOUR FUTURE, ALL THE CITIZENS, ALL THE BUSINESSES, THE BUILDERS EVERYBODY.

AND WE ALL NEED TO COME TOGETHER WITH A SHARED VISION.

ONE OF MY QUESTIONS I PUT OUT THERE IS HOW DOES THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS THAT YOU APPROVED FIT INTO THIS AND HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING DOWN THE SAME PATH WITH BOTH OF THOSE. AND IN CLOSING I WANT TO SAY THE ROUNDTABLE STANDS READY TO HELP IN ANY WAY WE CAN.

AS YOU KNOW FROM THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT YOU'VE HAD BEFORE.

THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST OUT THERE.

I THIS THINK IS GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO HELP BRING THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

I'M TOM INGRAM. I'M A LAND USE ATTORNEY.

BEEN PLAINING HERE OVER 20 YEARS.

I WORKED ACQUISITION OF TWELVE-MILES SWAMP TO NUMEROUS MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS OVER THE YEARS.

THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP REALLY GOES BACK TO 1990 AND '91 AND HERE'S AN EXCERPT OF THE PLAN SHOWING THE ST. AUGUSTINE AREA. SINCE THAT TIME, SINCE THAT ROUGHLY 1990, 1991 TIME FRAME. THE COUNTY RELIED ON LAND OWNER TO BRING FORTH APPLICATION. WE HAVE TO TAKE THIS KIND OF MYOPIC VIEW SHALL THIS TEN ACRES BY CHANGED.

THE END RESULT OF THAT FIRST OF ALL A VERY DEVISIVE.

YOU KNOW THERE'S THIS NOTION THAT DEVELOPERS ARE SELFISH AND OF COURSE THEY ARE SELF-INTERESTED.

THE OPPOSITION IS PERFECTLY JUST DOING THEIR OWN HEART.

THAT'S NOT ALWAYS TRUE EITHER. BUT LET'S -- THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO TAKE MORE HOLISTIC VIEW PARTICULARLY THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN SKIPPED OVER. YOU WILL HAVE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED OVER THE YEARS BY OTHER LAND OWNERS HAVE WAITED. AND YET YOU HAVE THESE OPEN RURAL OR CULTURAL DESIGNATIONS THAT ARE SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL. SECOND THING IS, WE NEED MORE FOCUS ON HOUSING. THIS COUNTY, I THINK HAS A DESERVED REPUTATION AS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE FOR AMERICA'S MIDDLE CLASS. IT'S GOING TO HURT US IN THE LONG TERM. YOU SEE IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE ALL OF THE SURFACE ARE COMING FROM ANOTHER COUNTY OR PLACE.

I THINK YOUR OWN STAFF HAVE STRUGGLE TO AFFORD A PLACE TO LIVE HERE IN THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUTING IN FROM FLAGLER AND PUTNAM COUNTIES. AS TO MISS MCGLENN.

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CONSULTANT WOULD BE GOOD. ONE THAT HAS SEEN THIS BEFORE AND CAN ALSO BRING EXPERTISE AND LAND USE PLANNING AS WELL AS HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY. I STRONGLY BELIEVE THERE ARE AREAS OF CONSENSUS HERE. WE ALL WANT TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENTMENT. WE ALL WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE WANT OUR STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

WE WANT ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE. FINALLY, IT'S TIME TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT HOW WE MITIGATE FOR TRAFFIC IMPACTS.

WE HAVE DECIDED SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT CONCURRENCY DOESN'T WORK FOR COMMERCIAL. IT'S PUSHING THE NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO LOOK AGAIN

AT THAT. >> THANK YOU MR. INGRAM.

>> WELCOME. >> GOOD MORNING.

TROY ASRAM. JUST A FEW THOUGHTS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT LISTED AS A GOAL, THOUGH.

ON THE SLIDE SHOW CURRENTLY. AND REFERRING TO THE MAP SERIES THAT WE HAVE. THE ONE THAT DOCUMENTS HISTORY SITES HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, IS FROM 2010 AND DOESN'T REALLY ACCURATELY REFLECT THE AMOUNT OF CULTURE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE HERE. LOCALLY, DESIGNATED AS WELL AS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.

WHEN I WORKED FOR COUNTY, I CREATED AN INVENTORY OF RESOURCES. I WOULD LIKE A MAP TO BE CREATED THAT REFLECTS THOSE RESOURCES FOR A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE HISTORIC SILENTS WE -- SITES WE HAVE HERE.

I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT THE TOURIST AND CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT OFFICE AS WELL FOR THEM TO KNOW WHAT RESOURCES WE HAVE HERE WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED, SO THEY CAN ADVERTISE THOSE IMPORTANT ONES AS A DRAW TO HELP THE ECONOMY HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] I WAS ALSO RATHER SHOCKED WHEN I SAW THAT POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO SEE THAT ENTIRELY OMITTED HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

IT IS I THINK WHAT WE WOULD CALL A SLIP.

CERTAIN I WILL SHOWS M MR. ROBERSON INAT ANY TIME AND MOTIVE IN SOME THINGS HE'S DONE WHEN HE SUBJECTED MR. ASNER.

>> PLEASE DIRECT COMMENTS TO THE BOARD.

>> I AM. >> I THINK WE NEED TO GET ACTUAL LAW PROFESSORS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.

OR FSU, INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS.

I'M DELIGHTED TO HEAR WE HAVE AN ECONOMIST.

I DIDN'T SEE A PRESS RELEASE ON THAT.

BUT I CALLED IN THE PAST AS A YEAR AGO TO HAVE CHIEF ECONOMIST TO ADVICE ON THE SALES TAX ISSUE.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR WE HAVE AN ECONOMIST.

WHY DON'T WITH HAVE A CHIEF COMMERCIAL OFFICER WITH REAL QUALIFICATION. LET'S REACH OUT TO PLANNING DEPART. .

THEY HAVE 7 TENURED PROFESSORS THAT DO THIS STUFF FOR A LIVING.

THEY HAVE IN THE PAST ADVISED ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ON LEGAL ISSUES FOR A LONG TIME.

THEY ALSO ADVICE THE NATION OF COSTA RICA.

WHY DON'T WE GET ADVICE FROM QUALIFIED PEOPLE? PEOPLE WITH EXPERTISE AND INDEPENDENCE.

RATHER THAN EXISTING STAFF WHICH ACTUALLY HAS NEITHER.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA IF IN THESE TOWN HALL MEETING, WE TELEVISE THEM. WE COULD DO THAT.

THERE'S A DEVICE THE COUNTY CAN PURCHASE FOR $500 IT WOULD ALLOW ANY MEETING IN ANY LOCATION TO BE TELEVISED USING THE RESOURCES WE HAVE IN THE BACK. THE MILLION DOLLAR TV STUDIO.

RATHER THAN HAVE THE TOWN HALL MEETING BE A PLACE TO HOLD THEIR HANDS. WE NEED RIGOR IN THIS PROCESS.

AND I AGREE WITH MR. ASNER. WE NEED TO UPDATE THE 2010 DOCUMENT AND GET A THOROUGH ASSESSMENT OF WHAT THE HISTORIC AND CULTURE RESOURCES ARE. WE COULD DO GOAL SETTING.

LIKE STOP DESTROYING OUR WETLANDS AND FOREST.

U.N. REPORT CAME OUT YESTERDAY ABOUT GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE.

WE HAVE 10 YEARS. WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THE DEVELOPERS TO DO ANY MORE CLEAR-CUTTING.

EVERY TIME THEY ARE IN HERE, THEY HAVE EX PARTE MEETING.

WE WILL KILL ANIMALS AND FOREST AND FILL IN WETLANDS AND WE WILL

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STOP THAT. DON'T DO IT AGAIN.

AND I LIKE MR. ROBERSON USE OF THE WORD MALLEABLE.

HE USED THAT WORD TWICE. CONFESSION GOOD FOR THE SOUL.

THANKS TO COMMISSIONER DEAN FOR GETTING THIS PROCESS GOING.

THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.

>> MY NAME THE JUDY SPIEGEL. ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

THIS SEEMS VERY COMPLICATED. AND I'M JUST COMING UP HERE AS NOVICE, YOU KNOW. WE GOT FAMILIAR WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT TRYING TO COME INTO OUR AREA. AND I JUST THINK SEEING FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE STEPPING BACK AND TAKING A BIG BREATH.

AND REALIZE THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT IS CHANGING.

THERE ARE VERY, VERY, VERY DRAMATIC THINGS HAPPENING.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DOVETAIL THE SPIRIT SPIRITUAL AND ECONOMIC AS SUSPECT OF OUR COUNTRY.

I'M EXCITED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS.

TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW A NORMAL PERSON WITHOUT LAWYER EXPERTISE AND THIS EXPERIENCE WITH ALL OF THESE DEVELOPERS AND THIS YOU GUYS ARE HERE TO SERVE THE PEOPLE.

I WANT TO BE PART OF THAT. AND I'M VERY INTERESTED IN TALKING TO YOU AS A WAY THAT WE CAN HELP WORK WITH NOT COMMISSIONER IN A COUNTY TOWN HALL MEETING.

I'M THANKFUL TO BE HERE AT THIS TIME IN HISTORY WHEN THINGS ARE CHANGING. WE CAN TAKE A BIG BREATH.

MAYBE LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED.

WHAT BELIEVE DONE RIGHT AND WRONG.

AND WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE IT. BECAUSE THINGS ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OUT OF HAND. I THINK IT'S PRETTY APPARENT TO ALMOST EVERYBODY. TAKING A VIEW OF THIS IS A DANGER. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR

WHAT YOU DO. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> I'VE OWNED MY PROPERTY SINCE 2018. I OWN AT BOTH ENDS OF THE COUNTY. AS YOU GO THROUGH THE NEW PLAN YOU'VE BEEN MAKING. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED RURAL NEW JERSEY WITH THE WAY PLANNING AND STUFFS DONE.

IT'S IMPORTANT YOU STICK TO WHAT YOU AGREE TO.

PEOPLE DECIDE WHERE TO PURCHASE PROPERTY BASED TOWN PLANS.

I THINK SOMEONE'S REFERRING TO THE THREE STORY THING ALMOST BUILT UP IN THE AREA MY HOUSE IS IN.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PLAN -- BUILDER WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING OFF THE 13. ROUTE 13.

THAT'S NOT IN THAT ZONING. WHAT I FEAR IN THIS PLAN THAT YOU WILL BE MAKING, SUDDENLY THAT ZONING WILL BE CHANGED AND WE H HAVE THE THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING AND OTHER THINGS. SAME THING WITH THE GOVERNMENT TOO. WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING DOWN IN CRESCENT BEACH THAT SOME OF US ARE HERE FOR TODAY.

ALL I WOULD ASK THAT AS YOU DO YOUR PLANNING, YOU COULD PARTICULARLY -- NOT DISCRETION -- YOU CONSIDER THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. AND AS YOU ARE CHANGING THE PLANS, HOW YOU SOME OF US MAY HAVE LOOKED THAT STUFF AND SAID THIS IS WHY I WANT TO LIVE THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME.

AND APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONER. >> I LIVE ON HARBOR VISTA CIRCLE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. I'M STILL REPRESENTING CARE.

YOU MAY RECALL YEAR INFORMAL INDEPENDENTSYING ACTION GROUP THAT GREW OUT OF CONVERSATION EFFORT.

CARE NOTES THAT THE STATUTE MANDATED EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL OF THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE ENCOURAGED TO COMPREHENSIVELY EVALUATE AND IT'S NECESSARY UPDATE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS TO REFLECT CHANGES IN LOCAL CONDITIONS. CARE BELIEVES A NUMBER OF CHANGES IN OUR LOCAL CONDITIONS MERIT UPDATES TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY MANDATE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 205 WHICH WE UNDERSTAND DATES FROM 2010. SOME OF MY CARE COLLEAGUES PLAN TO SPEAK IN MORE DETAIL IN THE FIVE PARTICULAR ISSUES THAT WE ESPECIALLY WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.

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THREE DEVELOP AN ADD MORE INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED OTHER THAN BROADBAND. 4 DEVELOP ADD MORE OBJECTIVE AND POLICY INCLUDING PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY.

THAT WILL HELP US WORK TOWARD AND PERHAPS ONE DAY ACHIEVE THAT AMBITIOUS GOAL. FINALLY WE PROCESS TO BE UTILIZED INPUT CARE A FOR CITIZEN INPUT AS YOU PLIGHT EXPECT. HOWEVER CARE WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU DISCUSS HOW CITIZEN INPUT WILL BE CONSIDERED AND ACTUALLY USED IN THE REVIEW PROCESS. FAR TOO OFTEN, CARE SEES CITIZEN INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO OURSELVES ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN WORKSHOPS, PUBLIC FORUMS WEB SITE SURVEYS AND THE LIKE.

THEN WE LATER SEE DECISIONS AND OUTCOMES THAT BARE LITTLE OR NO RELATIONSHIP TO THE INPUT PROVIDED IN SOME INSTANCES.

CARE HAS BEEN UNABLE TO DISCERN THE PUBLIC INPUTS CONSIDERED IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS. AS MATTER OF TRANSPARENCY AND FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY THIS REVIEW PROCESS MANIUS BE MORE THAN CHECK THE BOX EXERCISE.

WE ASK YOU TO COMMIT TODAY TO FACTOR CITIZEN INPUT OBTAIN DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS INTO YOUR DECISION IN MEANINGFUL WAY.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE PLAN AS I READ IT. I THINK IT HAS GOOD BONES.

I GRIEVE WITH VICKI IT NEED UPDATED.

I'M PARTICULARLY CONCERNED WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PART OF THIS. I THINK WE ALL KNOW WE'RE IN A HOUSING CRISIS. AND I'M PRESSED THAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAS SAID THEY ARE GIVING US MORE MONEY.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S COMING FOR SHIP AND SALE.

I THINK WE H HAVE MORE STATE FUNDS.

IF WE GET PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY WE WOULD HAVE MORE FEDERAL FUNDS. I WANT THAT TOO.

BUT I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO COUPLE OF THINGS IN YOUR CURRENT PLAN. THE COUNTY SHALL MAINTAIN THIS EXISTING PERHAPS AND INVESTIGATE NEW PROGRAMS AND IDENTIFY FUNDING SOURCES WHICH WILL WORK TOWARD THE ELIMINATION OF SUBSTANDING HOUSING. AND IMPROVE THE AESTHETIC QUALITY OF EXISTING HOUSING AND ENCOURAGE IMPROVEMENT THAT REDUCE ENERGY AND WATER CONSUMPTION.

AND THEN SEE, ONE TWO THREE SAID IT WILL SEEK FEDERAL STATE AND LOCAL FUNDING FOR THESE THINGS. WE NEED TO BE MORE PROACTIVE.

I'M REFERENCING PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY.

I THINK IT WOULD KEEP US A OLT OF TROUBLE IN THE COUNTY IF WE WERE ADHERING TO THE PLAN. SO THAT ONE OF THE DEVELOPER SAYS IN GREAT PLAN. IT MIGHT BE.

THIS WILL DO A LOT FOR THIS PART OF THE COUNTY.

IT MIGHT. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND SAY IT'S ALL GOOD.

WE HAVE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE WANT TO ADHERE TO IT.

I THINK IT WOULD KEEP YOU OUT OF LOT OF SWAMP.

WHEN YOU DRIVE UP AND SEE THE PARKING LOT FULL OF CARS, THAT'S THE SWAMP THAT YOU GET READY TO WALK INTO.

I THINKED A HEERNSZ TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COULD BE A BIG HELP IN STAYING OUT OF THAT SWAMP.

I WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS.

I WANT HELP US ALL HOLD ACCOUNTABLE TO STICKING WITH IT.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> I'M CAROL HOLT. HASTINGS.

AND I'M BLESSED TO BE HERE TODAY.

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COMMUNITY ADVOCATES FOR RACIAL EQUITY.

I NOTE THAT HOUSING LISTED AS AN ITEM TO BE EVALUATED.

I APPRECIATE THAT. OTHER MEMBERS HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT. ANOTHER ONE OF THE ISSUES CARE HAS IDENTIFIED THAT HAS IDENTIFIED THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THE COMP PLAN IS A GOAL.

WITH HOUSING COST SKY RIGHTING INCREASING NUMBER OF OUR NUMBERS. STRUGGLING TO MAINTAIN MANY N DP O IN OUR CONTINUUM OF CARE IS ATTEST TO FACT THAT THE OLD ERRONEOUS STEREOTYPE THAT HOMELESS ARE DRUG ADDICTS AND MENTALLY ILL PERSONS UNWILLING TO MAINTAIN WORK IS INCREASINGLY UNTRUE. AS WE ENCOUNTER MORE AND MORE OF US WORKING FULL TIME WHO ARE LIVING IN TENTS OR THE CAR.

THIS SITUATION IS SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE.

ESPECIALLY FOR ONE OF THE WEALTHIEST COUNTIES IN THIS STATE. WE NEED TO DO BETTER ON BEHALF OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND SOMEONE ALREADY REFERENCED THAT WE PAY GOOD ATTENTION TO THE HIGHER CLASS AND SOME ATTENTION TO MIDDLE CLASS. WHAT ABOUT THE ONES WHO WERE ACTUALLY BELOW THAT. WE ALL NEED AND WANT THE SAME THING. PEACE, SAFETY, SECURITY.

ADDING THE AMBITIOUS GOAL OF ENDING HOPELESSNESS TO THE COMP PLAN AND DEVELOPING OBJECTIVE AND HOW TO SERVE THAT GOAL, WILL HELP FOCUS ATTENTION AND RESOURCES ON AN ISSUE THAT HAS VEXED THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AS WELL AS OUR COUNTRY AND MANY LOCAL BUSINESSES FOR MANY YEARS. THERE ARE MANY STRATEGIES AND POLICIES EMPLOYED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES THAT HAVE GREATLY REDUCED AND SOME INSTANCES VIRTUALLY ELIMINATED HOMELESSNESS. ST. JOHNS COUNTY WITH VAST WEALTH OF ECONOMIC RESOURCES AND HEAVY RELIANCE ON TOURISM NEEDS TO WORK TO END HOMELESSNESS FOR THE GOOD OF OUR COMMUNITY AND ALL OF OUR CITIZENS PLEASE UPDATE THE COMP PLAN

ACCORDINGLY. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> I'M DWIEGHT MILLER. ILY IN ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH.

I'M A MEMBER OF CARE. YOU HEARD SOME OF CARE'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE ISSUES THE SERIOUS NEEDS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENT REQUIRING ATTENTION.

THESE FOR WHICH CORRECTION IS PROMISE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SOME OF THOSE NEEDS ARE BEING ADDRESSED. BUT MANY ARE NOT.

WE ARE PLEASED I THINK SOME OF THE MOMENTUM IS -- HAS REALLY BEEN ACCELERATED SINCE LAST YEAR'S WORKSHOP.

JANUARY OF 2022. REALLY PLEASED WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS YOU MADE TODAY FROM SOME OF YOU THAT INDICATES WHAT ERIN WAS TALKING ABOUT. YOUR COMMITMENT TO ADHERENCE AND TO GETTING PUBLIC INPUT. I THINK THAT'S REALLY THANK YOU -- THAT'S ALL THE THINGS I WANT TO SAY.

I APPRECIATE THAT ANYTIME THAT HAPPENS.

I WILL SAY SOMETHING -- OH, YES. YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ANOTHER THING ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES TOOK CARE OUT. WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT BROADBAND. AND THAT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE IN SOME PARTS OF THE COUNTY. LIKE FLAGLER.

HASTINGS, AND PERHAPS OTHER AREAS.

BROADBAND MIGHT BE IN THE CURRENT PLAN.

IT HAS TO BECOME A HIGH PRIORITY THING.

WE'VE LEARNED HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR PEOPLE TO BE CONNECTED.

KIDS NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN SCHOOL.

SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL VIRTUALLY.

SOMETIMES THERE'S PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES THAT CAN'T GET OUT OF THEIR HOUSE. THERE'S TONS OF RESIDENTS IN SAINT JOHN COUNTY. WE TALK ABOUT THE LOW-INCOME FAMILIES PRIMARILY. THEY JUST CAN'T GET OUT OF THEIR HOUSE TO GO THE DOCTOR OR ANYTHING.

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I KNOW ONE OF THE PROVIDERS IN HASTINGS IS REALLY SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SUBSTANDARD IN THEIR SERVICE COMPARED COMCAST AND THE OTHER ONES. I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE JUST EXPRESS I'M PLEASED ALL OF US HERE SHARE A BURDEN.

OUR HEARTS COLLECTIVELY ACHE BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY CONTINUE TO BE HURTING. IT'S A BURDEN ON THE HEARTS AND SOULS OF EVERYONE WHO CARES. THANKFULLY WE HAVE THAT BURDEN.

OTHERWISE OUR FIRE WOULD GO OUT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF FLORIDA NUMBER ONE COUNTY. THAT REMAIN UNFULLFILLED DREAM FOR SOME OF O OUR RESIDENTS. I'M HAPPY WE WILL WORK TOGETHER AND BRING COMPASSION TO THE MARGINALIZED CITIZENS OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. WE AND YOU ARE THERE CHAMPIONS.

AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. ELLEN AVERY SMITH.

I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS IN LAW SCHOOL, STUDYING LAND USE LAW, A LONG TIME AGO; THERE WAS A GUY NAME TOM PELLAM WHO WAS ACTUALLY THE SECRETARY THE THEN FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS WHO TAUGHT MY LAND USE LAW CLASS.

JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE DAIS AND IN THE AUDIENCE.

IF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ACT WHICH IS CHAPTER 163, FLORIDA STATUTES, YOU WILL SEE THAT IT SETS UP POLICY MAKING OR LEGISLATIVE FRAMEWORK. AND SO WE'RE NOT TALKING JUST ABOUT THE POLICIES WE CAN ACTUALLY GET OTHER PLANNING TOOLS FROM THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ACT.

AND SO TO COMMISSIONER JOSEPH YOU MENTIONED EARLIER PROTECTING THE FARM LANDS AND OUR FOOD SOURCES AND PROTECTING THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. THERE ARE TOOLINGS IN THAT.

IF YOU LOOK AT DIFFERENT KINDS OF AREA PLANNING TOOLS THAT ARE IN THAT SECTION OF THE STATUTE THERE'S SOME POLICIES THEY CAN GRASP ON AS THEY GO FORWARD. MY SUGGESTION OR REQUEST COUPLES WITH OTHER HAVING AN OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY CONSULTING FIRM COME IN AND LOOK AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THE LAST SELF BASED AMENDMENTS AND THEY ARE GREAT. YOUR STAFF HAS DONE A GOOD JOB.

RIGHT NOW THEY ARE VERY BUSY AND PROBABLY DON'T HAVE TIME TO TAKE IDENTICAL IT A BROADER LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

YOU MAY THINK OF A THIRD PARTY FIRM COME IN AND TAKE LOOK AT GROWTH OF COUNTY. TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER PLANNING TOOLS THAT MIGHT HELP IN THE FUTURE STRATEGY OF THE COUNTY GROWTH. PUT THAT OUT FOR MY TWO CENTS FOR THE DAY. THANK YOU.

>> NICOLE CROSBY. BRIEF COMMENT.

I HEARD A LOT OF GOOD SUGGESTION ABOUT THE THIRD PARTY.

WHICH SEEMS LIKE A SMART IDEA. I HEARD IT FROM PEOPLE FROM ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF INTEREST. MY ONLY CONCERN THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT THIRD PARTY BEING KIND OF PULLED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

THAT BRINGS TO MIND WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR SELECTING THE INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT. WE NEED TO HAVE A PROCESS.

A FAIR PROCESS FOR THAT. BECAUSE THAT INTRODUCES A NEW OPPORTUNITY FOR BIAS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I JUST WANT TO RAISE THAT AND ASK THAT IF YOU DECIDE TO GO WITH THE CONSULTANT, TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO HAVE SOME KIND OF INPUT OR SOMEHOW COME UP WITH PROCESS THAT PEOPLE AGREE IS FAIR. THANK YOU.

>> I'M BRANDON CHI. I'M NOT USUALLY ONE TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK. I AM TODAY.

PROUD ST. JOHNS COUNTY NATIVE. MY FIELD OF STUDY IS PERMITTING AND ENTITLEMENTS. 25,000 BUILDING PERMITS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO KEEP UP WITH THE POPULATION GROWTH.

HOWEVER, IN THAT SAME TIME LINE, WE'VE ONLY UTILIZED 11,500 OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL ENTITLEMENTS. THERE'S 60,000 APPROVED LOTS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. LET 34,000 OF THE LOTS ARE

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SPECIFICALLY THE PUDS ARE MARCH LANDING, ST. AUGUSTINE, SHORES AND THE PLAYERS CLUB. THESE ARE LEGACY PROJECTS WHERE THE APPROVED LAWS DRASTICALLY EXCEED THE AREA AND CAN'T BE ANTICIPATED AS FUTURE SUPPLY. THEREFORE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOULD BE EVALUATED TO PROMOTE ADVERSE COMMUNITIES AND PROVIDE FOR FUTURE HOUSING NEEDS THAT OPTIMIZE OUR LAND USE AND INFRASTRUCTURE. AN ARTICLE THAT WAS ACTUALLY PUBLISHED TWO DAYS AGO MARCH 20TH, QUOTES PRICES AND RENTS HAVE SHOT UP AND MANY MARKETS IN LARGE PART TO UNDER BUILDING OF HOMES AND APARTMENT. INCREASING THE SUPPLY CRUCIAL TO RELIEVING THE PRESSURE OF THIS CRISIS.

THE NATION MOST EXPENSIVE MARKETS ARE CONTINUING TO SEVERELY. COUNTY MAY BE AT RISK AND NOT PROVIDING ADEQUATE SUPPLY AND RANGE OF HOUSING CHOICES AS REQUIRED FOR FLORIDA STATUTES. RESULTING IN FURTHER RISK OF OUR ABILITY TO ADDRESS HOUSING AT ALL INCOMES AND RANGES JUST AS I AM TODAY. PLEASE CONSIDER A FULL REVIEW OF EACH ELEMENT TO ALLOW FOR OUR AREA TO ORDERLY BALANCE GROWTH AND CONSISTENTLY GUIDE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS.

ENHANCING THE STRENGTH OF THE CODE, WILL CONTINUE TO PROMOTE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AS THE BEST PLACES TO LIVE FOR YEARS TO COME. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

CONSIDERATION. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 2? >>

>> GOOD MORNING QUICK COMMENT. I'M FROM MARSH LANDING.

WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO FOR THE COUNTY AND ALL THE RESIDENTS HERE. I HOPE THIS GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN WILL NOT CONSIDER PROTECTING THE PROPERTY THAT IS ALREADY HERE. AS WE HAVE TOLD YOU REPEATEDLY THAT A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES ARE BEING DEVASTATED BY CERTAIN DECISIONS MADE BY THE DISTRICT AND INVOLVEMENT OF THE COUNTY AS WELL. I WOULD ALSO IMAGINE THAT THERE WILL BE CERTAIN RULES OR REGULATION THAT WILL BE PUT IN PLACE THAT BEFORE CERTAIN DECISIONS OR CERTAIN CHANGES ARE MADE TO OUR COUNTY, AND TO OUR PROPERTIES, THAT THOSE WILL BE CONSIDERED CAREFULLY. THOSE CHANGES WOULD NOT IMPACT NEGATIVELY ON THE EXISTING PROPERTIES.

AS YOU KNOW VERY WELL, THAT WE HAVE BEEN DRAMATICALLY IMPACTED BY CERTAIN CHANGES IN MARSH LANDING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I WOULD LAKE TO SEE YOU ADDRESS.

I WOULD LOW TO SEE US TRACK SOME COMPANIES OR PLACES LIKE THAT, MAYBE BRING IN SOME JOBS. I KNOW IT'S RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE TO WORK TOO.

>> THANK YOU. >> FLAGLER HOSPITAL ANNOUNCED THEIR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.

THAT'S ONE STEP FORWARD. THAT'S GOING TO BE MAJOR EXPANSION IN THE COUNTY. [INAUDIBLE] PUBLIC COMMENT, AGENDA ITEM 2. SEEING NONE.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> IF YOU WILL INDULGE ME FOR A MINUTE.

THIS OUR LAST ITEM. I KNOW WE HAVE SOMETHINGS TO DISCUSS. LET ME SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO CAME TODAY AND SPOKE.

TO EXPRESS YOUR INTEREST. IT'S VERY HELPFUL.

THIS IS ONE REASON I ENCOURAGE US TO HAVE TOWN HALL MEETING IN, ONE IN EACH DISTRICT. I WANT TO SAY QUICKLY, SOMEWHAT TONGUE-AND-CHEEK MY GOOD FRIEND TOM INGRAM IS YOUNGER THAN ME.

I WILL GO BACK 32ND HISTORY ITS REALLY IN THE 70S AND 80S WHEN FLORIDA TOOK OFF, PARTICULARLY SOUTH FLORIDA.

MIAMI-DADE, BROWARD, PALM BEACH. THAT EXPONENTIAL GROWTH IN SOUTH FLORIDA LED GOVERNOR BOB GRAHAM TO REACH OUT THE LAND.

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THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN IN EFFECT FOR SOMETIME.

ITS A REACTION TO THE RECOGNITION THAT THINGS WERE GOING BONKERS IN SOUTH FLORIDA IN THE 70S AND EARLY 80S.

AND MUCH THANKS TO THEM GOVERNOR BOB GRAHAM TO PUSH THIS THROUGH AND GET JOHN DEGROVE INVOLVED AS THE FIRST DCA SECRETARY.

JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HEISTORY. I WOULD LIKE TO IF I COULD JUST ASK MY REQUEST THIS MORNING IS TO CONSIDER THE THREE ITEMS I TOUCHED ON. AND TO BE CLEAR, I WOULD RECOMMEND, AGAIN, INDEPENDENT FACILITIOR.

I WOULD RECOMMEND 60-DAY COMMENT AND FIVE TOWN HALL MEETING, ONE IN EACH DISTRICT. AND I GUESS LEAVING HERE TODAY IF WE HAD CONSENSUS WE WOULD HAVE AT LEAST THOSE THREE THINGS. I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE AGENDA ITEM TO MAKE A FORMAL VOTE. BUT SUBJECT TO THE LEGAL OFFICE SIGNING OFF. FOR THE DESIRE OF THE COMMISSION I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THOSE THREE ITEMS CONSENSUS IN THE DIRECTION

OF THE STAFF. >> YES, SIR.

>> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD DIRECTION TO HEAD.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE INDEPENDENT PERSON IS NEUTRAL. AND THEN I THINK EVERYONE THAT COMES TO THE TABLE WILL BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS.

>> I WILL TELL YOU THAT 45 YEARS AGO WHEN PARTICULAR COMMISSIONER PINELLAS COUNTY WAS ATTACKED IN THE ST. PEDE TIMES AS BEING BIASSED BECAUSE HE WAS DIRECTING CONSULTANT ON WATER ISSUES WHEN THEY WERE HAVING WATER WARS. AND HE SAID, LOOK, HE AIN'T WORTH HIS PAYCHECK. THAT'S A JOKE.

NEVERTHELESS, WE CERTAINLY WILL WANT SOMEONE WHO IS QUALIFIED AND ALSO HAS CREDENTIALS THAT REFLECTS THAT HE WILL TAKE A VERY NEUTRAL POSITION AND NOT TRY TO INFLUENCE OUR DECISION IN ANY WAY. I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THAT.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER ALAIMO?

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I LIKE THE THREE POINTS THAT COMMISSIONER DEAN MADE. THE 60 DAY PUBLIC REVIEW COMMENT PERIOD. I THINK THAT GIVES ENOUGH TIME.

TAKES 30 DAYS TO REVIEW. FIVE TOWN HALLS TO GET PUBLIC INPUT. THANKS FOR THOSE WHO CAME OUT TODAY TO PROVIDE COMMENT. WE GOT SOME GREAT IDEAS.

I THINK THE FIVE TOWN HALLS WILL BE GREAT AND THE FACILITATOR.

>> ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? >> I'M IN FULL AGREEMENT.

I THINK EXTENDING THE COMMENT PERIOD FROM 30 TO 60 COMPLETELY REASONABLE. I THINK HAVING TOWN HALL IN EACH DIRECT MAKES SENSE. I CANNOT BE MORE AGREEMENT WITH AGREEING WITH VALUE OF SKILLED MEDIATOR.

I'M ALL FOR THE OUTSIDE CONSULTANT.

BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM FOR CONSENSUS.

I WANT TO OFFER SOME THOUGHTS IF THAT'S OKAY.

>> SURE. >> I HAD CONVERSATION WITH FRED GREEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. HE WAS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER IN THE 70S. WE EXPLAINED TO ME THEY PUT A LOT OF THE LAND YOU EBECAUSE PAY COULDN'T HAVE ANTICIPATED THIS TYPE OF GROWTH. I THINK OFTENTIMES WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS SIGN OF WHAT'S TO COME IN THESE AREAS. BUT BACK IN THE 70S, I MEAN THE POPULATION ST. JOHNS COUNTY WAS 30,000.

WE HAVE OVER 8. MY POINT IN SAYING THAT IS WE'VE

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DENSELY POPULATED DEVELOPMENT TO MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE HAVE FOLKS WHO SAY DON'T DEVELOP.

WE'RE TOO CROWDED. DON'T BUILD ANYTHING.

PUT A MORATORIUM ON GROWTH. I SAY THAT TO EXPRESS TO YOU SITTING UP HERE IT'S DIFFICULT TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE.

YOU GUYS ARE NOT UNIFIED ON ALMOST ANYTHING AS PEEL.

WE HAVE 300,000 BOSSES IN THIS COUNTY.

AND OFTENTIMES WE ARE NOT GETTING THE SAME MESSAGE FROM ALL 300,000 PEOPLE. AS WE MOVE INTO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND WE TRY TO PUT COLORS ON THE MAP THROUGH CONSULT NT AND FEEDBACK IN ALL FIVE DISTRICTS.

I JUST HOPE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S HARD TO ADHERE TO A PLAN ANY PLAN FOR MORE THAN FIVE YEARS OF THE COUNTY THAT'S GROWING AS FAR AS OURS. WE ARE NOW MOVING FROM 8 BILLION TO 9D 9 BILLION PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE PLANET.

SOME OF THAT GROWTH WILL HAPPEN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO THINK WE WOULDN'T GROW.

WE HAVE ACCOMMODATE THAT GROWTH WITH THIS PLAN.

AND ANOTHER COMPONENT WE WANT TO SAY COMMISSIONER JOSEPH YOU MENTIONED MORE THAN ONCE. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE JUST -- I WANT TO FINISH MY THOUGHT IF I COULD.

I WANT TO SEE FARMERS KEEP FARMING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

BUT THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR LAND.

WE CAN'T MAKE FARMERS GROW FOOD THAT DON'T WANT TO FARM ANYMORE.

THEY HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHT.

WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS WE MAKE PLANS.

WE CAN'T STRICTLY PROHIBIT FARMERS FROM SELLING THEIR LAND.

THAT'S JUST -- THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF MY CONCERNS.

I WANT TO DO IT. THINK THREE IDEAS ARE GOOD IDEAS. IF THERE'S NOTION THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE GROWTH, I JUST THINK THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO BE REAL

STICK. >> I HAVE A SLIDE THAT I BROUGHT JUST FOR THIS MOMENT. THERE YOU GO.

I THINK INCENTIVES COULD BE THROWN THE AGRICULTURE WAY.

I THINK THAT TEACHERS NEED INCENTIVE TO KEEP DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING. I MEAN, I HAVE 14 MORATORIUM E-MAILS JUST IN ONE NIGHT. AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS A MORATORIUM NEAR TAMPA BAY AND THEY RENEWED IT AGAIN.

LIKE YOU SAID NOTHING IS OUT OF THE QUESTION FOR THIS.

I'M OPEN. HOPING.

>> YOU STATE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS MORATORIUM ON ALL GROWTH.

>> TEMPORARILY UNTIL THEY CAN CATCH UP ON INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> PROHIBITS ANY PROJECT FROM BEING APPROVED.

NOT ALL PROJECTS. BUT MULTIFAMILY, DENSE BUILDING.

I HAVE TO REALLY READ MORE ABOUT IT.

BUT I CAUGHT THAT TODAY WHEN I WAS COMING.

>> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. NOT PROHIBITION ON ALL --

>> BUT ON HIGH DENSE BUILDING HOMES UNTIL THEY PROBABLY COME

UP WITH A BETTER PLAN. >> ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> THE WHOLE ISSUE OF BUILDING MORATORIUM IS PROBABLY A TWO DAY CLE COURSE FOR LAWYERS.

THAT'S BEEN HIGH EXPERIENCE. IT'S SHADES OF GRAY.

IN 1972, THE U.S. SUPREME COURT ISSUED AN OPINION CALLED THE CITY OF PEDALUMA, CALIFORNIA VERSES SOMEONE.

AND BASICALLY, THAT HOLDING WAS THERE CAN BE NO PERMANENT MORATORIUM. THAT'S THE ISSUE DISCUSSED.

THERE CAN BE LIMITED TIME SERVED TEMPORARY MORATORIUM.

ORANGE COUNTY EXPERIENCED THAT IN 1982.

NOT BECAUSE THERE WERE TOO MANY HOUSES NECESSARILY.

BUT BECAUSE THERE WAS INADEQUATE WASTEWATER AVAILABLE AND IT WAS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT STEPPED IN THROUGH APA THAT LIMITED ANY FURTHER GROWTH TEMPORARILY.

UNTIL ADEQUATE WASTEWATER FACILITIES COULD BE SUPPLIED.

THAT'S THE HISTORY IS WHAT DEVELOPED INTO WHAT WAS CALLED MAJOR REUSE LINES WEST RUN ORLANDO OUT TO THE ORANGE GROVES THAT MADE IT WATER SUPPLY FOR THEIR CITRUS.

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IF WE HAVE A RATIONALE NEXUS POINTING TO CERTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE AND CERTAIN PARTS OF THE COUNTY, THE TRUTH IS IF YOU LOOK AT MAP OR PHOTOGRAPH OF THIS COUNTY, ONLY 15 TO 18% OF THE LANDMASS IS QUOTE DEVELOPED. WE ACTUALLY HAVE AROUND 80 TO 82% OF OUR LAND IN THIS COUNTY 800,000 ACRES IN FARMING OR NATURAL AREA OR BEEN PURCHASED THROUGH CONSERVATION EASEMENT PROGRAMS. THE PROBLEM IS THAT ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENT, 300,000 POPULATION, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF LIVING ON A HUGE MASSIVE AREA WE'RE POSTAGE STAMP.

EVERYONE IS BASICALLY CROWDED AND CURRENTLY NORTHWEST QUADRANT. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE OUT OF DEVELOPABLE LAND. IT JUST HAPPEN THE LAND THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IS VERY DENSE AND THE REASONS I TRIED TO REQUEST DURING MY EFFORT TO SUGGEST A REFERENDUM ON THE SALES TAX, IS THAT THROUGH THE LAST 15 YEARS, A LOT OF BAD THINGS HAPPENED IF YOU WANTED TO PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE NOW HAVE HUGE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS AND THOSE DENSE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT ON IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PROJECTS THAT WERE BUILT IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.

BASICALLY DIDN'T AS A COMMISSION REQUIRE AND DEMAND GIVE THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE. GUESS WHO IS SITTING HERE HAVING TO DEAL WITH US. I FELT LIKE IT WAS WORTHWHILE TO TAKE A MOMENT AND TALK ABOUT MORATORIUM.

WE PROBABLY IN RESPONSE TO E-MAILS.

I WILL ASK YOU, IF SOME POINT IF -- I MIGHT DO IT RIGHT NOW.

MAYBE PREPARE A RESPONSE FOR THOSE OF US WHO WISH TO RESPOND TO THOSE E-MAILS POINTING OUT THE COMPLEXITY OF PERMANENT MORATORIUM VERSES A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM DEALING WITH THE NEED FOR ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE AND CERTAIN GEOGRAPHIC AREAS OF OUR COUNTY. I'M RAMBLING ON.

I WANTED TO SHARE THE THOUGHTS ON MORATORIUM ISSUES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> I COMPLETELY APPRECIATE YOUR HISTORY. I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR MY THOUGHTS. AND I THINK THE MORATORIUM IS NOT A PERMANENT, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE BUILT THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF.

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE NEW COMMUNITIES THAT -- WHERE WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE FOR.

WE ARE IN SOME SORT OF A CRASH POSITION WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO THINK AHEAD. WE HAVE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO KEEP UP. IF WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT ACTION. YOU FIND A LARGE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT WE DENIED. I THINK IT WAS ALMOST AN AD HOC MORATORIUM. BECAUSE WE IDENTIFIED CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT HAD CERTAIN LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

THEREFORE THAT LED TO NO VOTE. I CAN THINK OF FIVE OR SIX OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I THINK WE RECOGNIZED IN SOME INSTANCES AND SOME AREAS THAT WE HAVE SAID NOT ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE NO DO. NO APPROVAL.

DID YOU WANT TO GIVE DIRECTION AND CONSENSUS?

>> IF I MAY. >> ON THE ISSUE OF OUR COMP PLAN REVIEW COMING UP. THE THREE ISSUES THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AND ASK FOR CONSENSUS.

WE ALL AGREE WE HAVE INDEPENDENT FACILITIOR FOR THE COMP REVIEW PROCESS. NUMBER TWO WE EXTEND THE COMMENT

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>> BASE WHAT'S DISCUSSED IN MY ESTIMATE CERTAIN AND SPECIFIC ACTION I WOULD RECOMMEND THE BOARD PROCEED WITH A MOTION VERSES CONSENSUS. GENERALLY WHEN IT'S A CERTAIN PATH WE GO BY MOTION. IT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE

PERHAPS CHANGE THAT TO A MOTION. >> I WILL BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION. IF THAT'S OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY'S RECOMMENDATION. I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO GO FORWARD WITH OUR COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS. WITH THE THREE FOLLOWING DIRECTIONS. NUMBER ONE, THAT WE ENGAGE IN INDEPENDENT FACILITATOR TO PROCEED WITH THE PROCESS WORKING WITH ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS, AND WE NUMBER ONE, NUMBER, TWO, THAT WE EXTEND THE COMMENT PERIOD FOR 30 TO 60 DAYS.

AND NUMBER, 3, THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST FIVE TOWN HALL MEETINGS ONE IN EACH DISTRICT PRIOR TO ANY FINAL ACTION BY THE BOARD ON

COMP PLAN RECOMMENDATION. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND.

IS THAT CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THIS BOARD IN THE FORM OF THE MOTION? I KNOW THIS IS YOUR ITEM.

>> I BELIEVE IT IS. THAT GIVES US DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD IN ORDER TO GET THAT CONSULTANT.

AND THEN HE, SHE WILL START THAT PROCESS.

THE 60-DAY PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE ON DOWN THE LINE, OF COURSE.

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YES. >> WONDERFUL.

IF EVERYONE PLEASE VOTE. >> THAT PASSES 5-0.

CONGRATULATIONS. WELL DONE.

>> WE ARE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS THAT ARE GOT ON THE

AGENDA. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

COME TO PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR NAME AND ADDRESS.

EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE RULES OF DECORUM.

COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AS WHOLE AND NOT TO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER. NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL AND PERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR WITH BOYSTEROUS BEHAVIOR. REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR. FINALLY ASK THAT ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO STAFF OF THE CLERK OF COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO PUBLIC RECORD.

>> THANK YOU. >> COME ON DOWN.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> ROBERT REAL 7480 FOUNDERS WAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU COUPLE OF ANALOGIES TO HELP ILLUSTRATE MY POINT.

FIRST IMAGINE A PILOT HAS FAA FLIGHT PLAN TO FLY PASSENGERS FROM NEW YORK TO CHICAGO. DURING THE FLIGHT THE RIGHT ENGINE CATCHES FIRE. HE DECLARES AN EMERGENCY.

DEVIATES FROM THE PLAN, LANDS SAFELY AND AVOIDS CATASTROPHE.

THEN IMAGINE A DOCTOR CHARGED WITH VACCINATING HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WAITING FOR SEASONAL FLU SHOTS.

A FLU THEY MAY OR MAY NOT EVER CONTRACT.

SUDDENLY A CAR ACCIDENT VICTIM IS WHEELED THROUGH THE DOOR.

THE DOCTOR STOP GIVING FLU SHOTS AND TENDS TO THE SEVERELY INJURED ACCIDENT VICTIM. EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THIS.

IT'S NOT COMPLICATED. YET THE WATER DISTRICT AND SOME EXTENT THERE IGNORE THE POND EMERGENCY.

IN FAVOR OF HYPOTHETICAL RAIN EVENT THAT'S ONLY HAPPENED TWICE IN LAST 143 YEARS. HOMEOWNER AND HOMEOWNER IN MARSH LANDING IS HAVING THEIR LANDSLIDE INTO PONDS.

THAT WMD HAVE LOWERED. THIS IS A FIX-IT NOW EMERGENCY.

THE WATER DISTRICT AND TO SOME EXTENT THIS BOARD ARE IGNORING THIS IMMEDIATE ENERGY TO ALSO FOCUS ON PERCEIVED SAFETY CONCERNS REGARDING SLOPES. PER RECEIVED CONCERN FOR THOSE THAT DON'T LIVE ON THE POND. I'M TOLD SINCE ITS BEGINNING FOUR YEARS AGO, MARSH LANDING HAS NEVER HAD A POND RELATED SERIOUS ACCIDENT. IT IS NOT A NOW PROBLEM.

TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, SUCH RULES ARE NOT APPLIED TO ANY OTHER COMMUNITIES PONDS IN THE AREAS. FROM COUNTRY CLUBS TO SHOPPING CENTERS, PONDS ARE ALL FULL AND HAVE NO SUCH SLOPES.

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BUT YOU WILL IGNORE 155 WHO WANT THEM RAISED TO SAVE THEIR PROPERTIES. YOU SEEM TO IGNORE 105 OWNERS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED AND CONTINUED TO EXPERIENCE PROPERTY DAMAGE RIGHT NOW. GIVEN THE DAMAGE THAT'S BEING DONE TO OUR LAND RIGHT NOW, WE ASK YOU ALL TO CONSIDER AN IMMEDIATE EMERGENCY EXCEPTION TO OUR POND PERMITS TO RESTORE THE POND LEVELS TO PREVIOUS HIGHS, AND SAVE OUR PROPERTIES.

WE NEED YOU. WE WANT YOU TO BE OUR VOICE IN THIS MATTER. THANK YOU

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> THANK YOU FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. YOU MUST BE TIRED OF SEEING MY

FACE HERE. >> NAME AND ADDRESS.

[INAUDIBLE] YOU MUST BE TIRED OF SEEING MY

FACE HERE AS HANDSOME AS IT IS. >> WE ARE UNITED.

ALMOST COMPLETELY UNITED WE WANT OUR PONDS RESTORED AS YOU HEARD.

DURING THE PAST THREE YEAR, I AND SEVERAL HOMEOWNER HAVE COME HERE AND SHOWED YOU THE DAMAGE THE LOW POND LEVELS HAVE CAUSED TO OUR PROPERTIES. YOU HAVE SEEN MULTIPLE PICTURES.

YOU HAVE SEEN FROM HOMEOWNER HOW DEVASTATING THAT HAS BEEN TO THE

COMMUNITY. >> IT'S A CREATIVE PROBLEM.

YOU SEE THE DAMAGE, BECAUSE OF CREATIVE PROBLEM.

FOR 30 YEARS, BEFORE THE PONDS WERE LOWERED THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CENTER WORK AS EXPECTED.

IT STILL CONTINUES TO WORK AS EXPECTED.

NO RESIDENT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

IT'S ONLY AFTER THE LITIGATION FOR FILED THE PONDS ARE LOWERED.

THIS BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO HELP US PROMPTLY BY EXPANDING THE CONTRACT TO CONDUCT THE ANALYSIS WHICH WILL ALLOW TO US RESTORE THE PONDS. YOU HAVE THE POWER AND THE MEANS AND YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO HELP TO 500 RESIDENTS OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY NOW. THIS IS SERIOUS EMERGENCY.

THIS NOT ROUTINE ACTIVITY. WE HAVE CONVEYED TO YOU THROUGH THE MESSAGES THROUGH PARADISE UNDER ATTACK MESSAGES.

AND REPEATEDLY THE QUESTION HELP TO SAVE OUR PROPERTY AND SAVE OUR ENVIRONMENT. SADLY, UNTIL NOW, WE ARE NOT AVAILABLE ANY ACTION TAKEN BY THIS BOARD TO HELP SAVE OUR PROPERTY. I HOPE YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING IMMUNED THE SCENE. I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANYTHING.

WE HAVE REQUESTED MANY TIME ABOUT THIS.

BUT WE ARE GOING NOT. GREAT PHILOSOPHER, ONE OF THE ONLY THING THAT IS NECESSARY FOR TRIUMPH AND EVIL FOR GOOD PEOPLE TO DO NOTHING. I HOPE AND HISTORY HAS SHOWN US THAT THIS THE CORRECT. AND THE HISTORY ALSO SHOWN US THAT IN DOING NOTHING IN THE FACE OF EVIL IS NOT THE AMERICAN WAY. IT'S JUST NOT THE AMERICAN WAY.

WE SINCERELY HOPE THE BOARD WILL WORK WITH THE DISTRICT TO RESTORE OUR PONDS, SAVE OUR PROPERTY, AND SAVE OUR ENVIRONMENT. YOU REALLY NEED TO BE OUR VOICE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MADAM VICE CHAIR.

I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. COMMISSIONER DEAN.

[INAUDIBLE] THE CHAIRMAN SPOKE TO IT I BELIEVE LAST MONTHS MEETING OR THE LAST MEETING.

LET ME SAY THIS. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE IN WATER MANAGEMENT. AND I NOW HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS BUT SOME EXPERIENCE AS COUNTY COMMISSION.

WITH RESPECT TO WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, I HAVE TRIED AS COMMISSIONER TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO HELP ALL THE RESIDENTS OF MARSH LANDING SOLVE AN ONGOING DIFFICULT PROBLEM.

BUT WITH RESPECT TO POND ELEVATIONS, IT'S MY OPINION, I WILL STAND CORRECTED BY THE ATTORNEYS IF THEY TELL ME.

IT'S MY OPINION THAT THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAS EXCLUSIVE RESPONSIBILITY AND AUTHORITY OVER THE POND ELEVATIONS UNDER THEIR MASTER STORMWATER PERMIT FOR THE ENTIRE MARSH LANDING AREA.

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BUT IT'S MOOT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY RISE THE POND ELEVATION UP. IT'S SOLELY UP TO ST. JOHN'S RIVER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. TO SUGGEST THAT WE'RE IGNORING THE PROBLEM, I THINK INCORRECT PICTURE OF WHAT OUR ROLE IS AND WHAT WE CAN DO LEGALLY. DAVID IF I SAID ANYTHING IN ERROR CORRECT ME. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ON FIRM GROUND WHEN I REMEMBER THE RULES OF WATER MANAGEMENT.

I HAVE BEEN GONE SAME. I'M NOT TRYING TO IGNORE YOUR PROBLEM OR -- I'M TRYING TO HOPEFULLY YOU AND YOUR FELLOW HOMEOWNERS CAN HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT STAFF OR THEIR BOARD MEMBERS JUST LIKE YOU DIALOGUE WITH US THE COMMISSIONERS AND TRY TO GET SOMETHING DONE.

BUT WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER RAISING OUR LOWERING THOSE POND ELEVATIONS. I WANTED TO GO ON RECORD AND BE AS CLEAR AS WE COULD. ABOUT THE ISSUE.

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.

YOU ARE LE-- LEGALLY CORRECT. WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION ON THE

POND LEVELS. >> DO YOU HAVE A QUICK THOUGHT.

WE'RE IN PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH YOU THAT YOU HAVE NO JURISDICTION. THE HELP WE ASK FROM YOU EXPAND THE CONTRACT WHO IS WORKING WITH YOU.

TO CONDUCT THE ANALYSIS THAT THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WANTS TO US DO WHICH ALLOW THEM RAISE THE POND.

THAT'S WITHIN YOUR POWER AND MEANS.

THAT'S THE ONLY REQUEST WE HAVE FROM YOU.

I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T HAVE THE JURISDICTION.

>> DESPITE VOLUNTEER BEACH CLEANER ASKING THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO BETTER PATROL ROUTINE DRINKING THIS HAPPEN NDZ BROAD DAYLIGHT SOMETIME BETWEEN 9:00 AND 6:00.

WHEN I ARRIVED TOWN SCENE CALLED MY HUSBAND TO HELP ME HALL IT AWAY. THAT'S ONLY SOME OF IT.

THE TRASH COVERS ABOUT 1,000 FEET OF BEAT STARTING A FEW THOUSAND FEET OF ENTRANCE. WHERE BEACH VOLUNTEERS PICK IMTHEIR BEER CANS AND EMPTY ALCOHOL BOTTLES WEEK AFTER WEEK.

USUALLY DAY TIME PARTIES. THIS TIME I EVEN FOUND KNIFE, THAT BROUGHT TO CUT AN EXTRA WHOLE IN THE CAN.

THEN THEY BURY JAGGED CANS IN THE SAND WHERE BAREFOOT BEACH GOERS CAN CUT THEMSELVES. OF COURSE THIS ALL WASHES INTO THE OCEAN IF IT'S NOT PICKED UP BEFORE THE NEXT HIGH TIDE.

IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THERE'S ALCOHOL POISONING FATALITY OR DRUNK DRIVING FATALITY OR STABBING.

IT'S LIKE THE HOUSE EVERYONE GOES WHERE THE PARENTS AREN'T HOME. ONLY THE PARENTS ARE ST. JOHNS COUNTY. KIDS ALSO PARTY AT NIGHT AND BUILD ILLEGAL FIRE. CLOSE THE BEACHED A NIGHT AFTER DARK. NOT AT DUSK WHEN PEOPLE ARE ENJOYING. BUT AFTER DARK.

THAT WILL ALSO PROTECT THE SEA TURTLES FROM THE PARTIERS FLASHLIGHT. PLEASE HAVE THE BEACH BETTER PATROLLED DURING THE DAY. FINALLY I WANT TO ADDRESS COMMENTS MADE IN THE LAST MEETING WHERE IGS CALLED OUT BY THE CHAIR. WHO CHASTISED FOR ME STATING THE PROCESS OF LAW WAS NOT FOLLOWED IN THE HIRING OF COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. I SENT AN E-MAIL WITH TWO QUESTIONS REGARD THING RESPONSE. I RECEIVED NO REPLY.

BOTTOM LINE I'VE NEVER HEARD ATTORNEY STATE HIS CLIENT DIDN'T FOLLOW THE LAW. THE JOB IN ATTORNEY TO REPRESENT THE CLIENTS BEST INTEREST. ACCORDING TO THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL EMPLOYMENT PRACTICE FOR EMPLOYER TO LIMIT APPLICANT FOR EMPLOYMENT ANY WAY PRECISELY BECAUSE OF RACE, COLOR RELIGION. NO WOMEN, BLACK, WERE CONSIDERED FOR THAT JOB. AS WOMEN WHO FOUGHT DISCLAIMNATION, I CALL THE COMMISSIONERS TEN GIRLS AND YOUNG WOMEN TO CHANGE YOUR PRACTICE.

YOU SET THE TONE IN THE COUNT SNICHLT DON'T BE SURPRISE IF

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> RICHARD. >> IT EXASPERATES ME YOU PLEDGE TO PERFORM YOUR SWORN DUTY WITH JUSTICE FOR ALL.

TO HELP PROTECT THE FREEDOM TO GUARANTEE THOSE PLEDGES THAT YOU'VE MADE TODAY. THE SAD REALITY IS THAT MOST OF THIS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER HAS TOTALLY GHOSTED ME AFTER PERSONALLY PRESENTING YOU WITH HARD EVIDENCE OF PUBLIC WORKS, FRAUD AND EMBEZZLEMENT. THE HARM DAMAGED ME BY EFFECTIVELY DENYING ME ANY JUSTICE OR ASSISTANCE WITH THEIR PROPERTY REPARATIONS THAT I HAVE ASKED FOR IN GOOD FAITH.

IT SAID DURING THE PAST SIX MONTHS I'VE BEEN TWICE OFFERED HUSH MONEY BY YOUR OFFICIALS. I WITNESSED NOTHING FROM YOU BUT A GOVERNANCE THAT PLAY THAT ALLOWS OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY TO FAB BRING INDICATE OBSTRUCTIONEST STATISTIC GOALS TO SERVE YOUR FIDUCIARY DUTIES. EARLIER THIS MONTH I LEARNED OF THE GUTTING OF OUR NEBULOUS COMMUNITY RESOURCE THAT BEING THE COUNTY INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE THROUGH MR. PATTY'S MYSTERIOUS FIRING OF IG, THAT ACTION HAS INDEED RENDERED OUR COUNTY FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE HOT HOTLINE IMPOTENT. THIS PARALYSIS COULD HAVE LASTING ILL EFFECTS ON EVERY CONSTITUENTS COMMUNITY SUPPORT SYSTEM. DURING THE LAST PUBLIC MEETING BLCC MEETING, I WASHED COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST PERSONAL TANTRUM. DESPITE ONLY RECENTLY HAVING I THREATENED ED WITH MY MAKING A CALL TO HOLLYWOOD PRODUCER AND SUGGESTING A NEW NETFLIX SERIES BETTER CALLED ED.

I THANK ED LEADING BY EXAMPLE. ED'S FIERCE DEVOOEGS GAVE ME THE CONFIDENCE TO HAVE BEEN UP TO THIS PODIUM A FEW TIMES NOW EVEN WITH JUST A FLEETING THREE MINUTES TO CAN CONDENSE.

I FILED A POLICE REPORT AS RELUCTANT STEP TO REDIRECT EMBEZZLEMENT INTO THE CRIMINAL REALM TO FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF FDLE. I HAVE NO ADEQUATE RESOURCES TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY FOR CIVIL PROCEEDING AGAINST ANY TYPE OF

GOVERNMENT CARPET BEGGAR. >> I WANT TO ADDRESS MR. NORWOOD. I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE HAVEN'T LOOKED -- OUR STAFF HAS LOOKED INTO YOUR CLAIMS. OF FRAUD AND THEY JUST SIMPLY DISAGREE.

OUR COUNTY ATTORNEYS LOOKED INTO CLAIMS OF FRAUD AND THEY JUST SIMPLY DISAGREE THERE'S A FRAUD PERPETRATED ON YOU.

>> I'M LACKING AT E-MAIL. THEY DISAGREE WITH YOUR CLAIM.

YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DENIED PROCESS. I MET WITH YOU IN THE OFFICE ONE ON ONE. I'M LOOKING AT E-MAIL FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCE.

. THEY TERMED YOUR COMPLAINT DOESN'T WARRANT AN INVESTIGATION BY FDLE.

PERHAPS THEY DISAGREE. >> WITHOUT A POLICE REPORT.

>> THEY SAID IT DOESN'T WARRANT A INVESTIGATION.

>> MY POINT TO YOU WHILE YOU HAVE THE POSITION.

YOUR POSITION IS THAT YOU'VE BEEN THE VICTIM OF THIS FRAUD.

OUR STAFF OUR ATTORNEY, AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT DON'T AGREE. I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU EITHER.

>> YOU'RE SAYING -- YOUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER CAN COME TO MY PROPERTY AND TELL ME THAT'S AS FAR AS THEY WILL GO INTO MY PROPERTY AND THEN COME IN AND TAKE 21 CUBIC YARDS BEYOND THAT OF MY SOIL, MY LAND, AND USE IT FOR YOUR UNDERLAY ON SIDEWALKS.

THERE'S NO FRAUD INVOLVED. >> WHEN YOU AUTHORIZE THEM.

>> WHEN YOU AUTHORIZE THEM BY YOUR SIGNATURE.

I LOST MY PROPERTY. >> WE MET IN PERSON.

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>> I BELIEVE IT'S FRAUD AND EMBEZZLEMENT.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> MY NAME THE JULIET MANDLER.

I LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. BEFORE I SPEAK I WANTED TO RECONFIRM THAT I HAVE BEEN GRANTED THE TEN MINUTES.

>> ARE YOU FROM ROCK SPRINGS FARMS.

>> ARE YOU HOA. SHE REQUESTED EXTENDED TIME.

PROMISED I WOULD GIVE HER TEN MINUTES.

I KNOW I DIDN'T BRIEF YOU. >> YES.

WE CAN DO THAT. THAT'S ALLOWED, YES.

>> THIS WILL BE IN LIEU OF HAVING YOUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY SHOWING UP. YOU REPRESENT ROCK SPRINGS FARM.

>> FOR THE LAST THREE MINUTES, IT WOULD BE YIELDING TO VICE PRESIDENT RANDY FITCH. THAT WAS ALSO PREAPROVED.

>> CAN THAT FIT WITHIN THE TEN MINUTES.

AGAIN MY NAME JULIET MANDLER. I AM HERE REPRESENTING THE ROCK SPRINGS FARMS COMMUNITY. FOR BREVITY.

I WILL PLOY HOA FOR HOMEOWNERS AND RSF FOR ROCK SPRING FARMS. RSF NEW CONSTRUCTION, 182 SINGLE FAMILY HOME COMMUNITY.

LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 206 AND U.S. 1.

I AM HERE IN MY OFFICIAL CAPACITY OF HOA BOARD PRESIDENT TO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST FOR A RESOLUTION IN A TIMELY MANNER SIGNED BETWEEN DEVELOPER AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

AS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IS AWARE, THIS IS AN URGE EVENT ISSUE DUE TO THE SERIOUS PERPETUAL FINANCIAL STRAIN AND LIABILITY RSF CURRENTLY FACES AS THE SMALL COMMUNITY. FROM A DEAL IN WHICH WE HAD NO PART. ON JANUARY 24TH, OF 2023, OUR HOA TURNED OVER FROM THE DEVELOPER AT OUR ANNUAL MEMBER MEETING. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE HOA LEARNED ABOUT AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY ON FEBRUARY 23RD OF 2021.

THIS AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED BY FORMER COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH BLOCKER. THE BOARD HAS ALREADY PROVIDED THE COVENANT FOR MAINTENANCE FOR ALL COMMISSIONERS AND THEIR STAFF TO REVIEW. AS YOU ARE ALL AWARE IN THIS AGREEMENT, OUR HOA IS REQUIRED TO PAY FOR ALL MAINTENANCE FOR THIS PARK IN PERPETUITY. NO OTHER PEANUT BUTTER IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY IS MAINTAINED BY AN HOA.

WHICH MAKES THIS DEAL HIGHLY UNUSUAL.

>> WE AS THE COMMUNITY ARE SHOCKED TO LEARN THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO HOLD INSURANCE FOR A PROPERTY WE DON'T RIGHTFULLY OWN. THIS IS VERY ALARMING.

IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO ANYONE WHO USES THE EQUIPMENT OR FACILITIES, WHAT IS THE MAGNITUDE OF LIABILITY THAT WE AS THE HOMEOWNER OF RSF HAVE IN THIS KIND OF SITUATION.

IN THE BOARD'S FACT GATHERING AND INFORMAL DISCUSSIONS WITH PARKS & RECREATION DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE DEVELOPER WAS TOLD THAT THIS COVENANT WOULD FINANCIALLY IMPACT THE RESIDENTS IN PERPETUITY.

TO ADD TO THAT CONCERN, THE DEVELOPER SIGNED ON BEHALF OF THE HOA. WHICH WE BELIEVE IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. IN ADDITION, THE DEVELOPER DID NOT FULLFILL THE DENSITY BONUS GRANTED BY THE COUNTY IN ORDER FOR THE PARK TO BE DEEDED TO THE COUNTY.

YET THE AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED ANYWAY.

THE BOARD HAS BEEN DILIGENTLY WORKING ON INFORMING ALL RESIDENTS OF HOW SERIOUS OF A SITUATION THIS IS SINCE THE JANUARY 24TH ELECTION OF THIS YEAR.

AT OUR FOURTH OFFICIAL BOARD MEETING HELD THE BOARD PROVIDED SOME UPDATES ON HOW COMMISSIONER ALAIMO IS LEADING THE EFFORT ON PROVIDING A SOLUTION FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT ALREADY PUT IN BY THE

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THE HOA BOARD IS AWARE THERE'S A PROCESS INVOLVED IN FINDING A POSITIVE OUTCOME. AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO PROVIDING THE COMMISSIONER WITH ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NECESSARY TO HELP THIS PROCESS PROGRESS IN A TIMELY MANNER.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I AM YIELDING THE REMAINDER OF

HOA VICE PRESIDENT RANDY FISH. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> I JUST WANT TO TRITO TALK TO YOU JUST PERSONALLY FOR A SECOND. PUT YOURSELF IN OUR SHOES.

YOU GO TO BUY A HOUSE. THEY SAY, HEY IT'S GOT THERE AND GREAT. IT'S SOLD.

WHAT ABOUT THE STREETS. MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY.

WHAT ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS. MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY.

>> HEY THERE'S A PARK. COUNTY PARK.

MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY. THAT'S THE STORY EVERY HOMEOWNER RECEIVED. EVERYONE.

WE HAVE ONE THAT BROKER REAL ESTATE BROKER.

SHE QUESTIONED THEM EXTENSIVELY AND IT WAS NEVER DIVULGED THAT THIS AGREEMENT WAS IN PLACE. YOU FIND OUT THAT NOW NO YOU'RE ON THE HOOK TO PAY FOR THIS PROPERTY.

AND IT'S MAINTENANCE. 16,800 LAST YEAR.

PLUS WATER AND ELECTRICITY. TODAY 27,000 IS BUDGETED THIS YEAR. THINK ABOUT THIS.

OVER THE LIFE OF THIS COMMUNITY IT WILL COST THESE PEOPLE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

BY THE WAY IN THIS LEGISLATION, IT SAID THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN LIABILITY INSURANCE. WE CAN'T INSURE THAT PROPERTY.

IT DOESN'T BELONG TO US. WE'VE TRIED.

WE HAVE NO DISCERNIBLE INTEREST IN THAT PROPERTY.

TRIP AND FALL. SOMEONE SUES THE COUNTY.

JUST A MINUTE. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED. WHO HOLDS THE MAINTENANCE ON.

THE HOA, OF COURSE. WE CAN'T EVEN PROTECT OURSELVES.

WE ARE COMPLETELY HUNG OUT. THIS PROPERTY COST US AGAIN, 27,000 PER YEAR TO MAINTAIN. THE LIABILITY IS FAR BEYOND THAT. FAR BEYOND THAT.

WE ARE NOT SUN UP SET WITH SAINT JOHN COUNTY.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. ALL WE ASK YOU TREAT US THE SAME WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. >> WELCOME.

THANK YOU. SPEAKING STRICTLY FOR MYSELF.

AND INTERESTING ABOUT MISHLER BEACH.

THE -- WE ARE ISOLATED AREA. NEVER SEEN A POLICE OFFICER DOWN IN FIVE YEARS I'VE OWNED MY PROPERTY.

IT'S A BUSY STREET. A1A SOUTH.

YOU PLAN TO BUILD 20 PARKING SPACES.

BY PUTTING THE REST ROOMS AND NOT HAVING GATED AND LOCKED.

GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO SPEND THE NIGHT.

I KNOW WE WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THE DAWN TO DUSK IS HONORED.

BE JUST HEARD THE BEACH PEOPLE OUT THERE.

WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TURTLES.

IF YOU PROCEED WITH THIS I ASK THE AREA BE GATED.

I HAVE AUTOMATIC GATE. IT CLOSES AT 7:00.

BE GATED THAT THE REST ROOMS BE GATED.

THAT WE HAVE INCREASED POLICE BUDGETED FOR TO COME THERE NOT JUST TO AND CLEANUP CREWS. BECAUSE IT COULD BE A PROBLEM.

WE KNOW THIS ISN'T JUST ST. JOHN'S RESIDENT WHO COME TO PARK. WE NEED TO DO PROACTIVE THINGS TO PREVENT THE PROBLEMS FROM OCCURRING BEFORE THEY OCCUR BECAUSE IT'S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT AFTERWARDS.

ON ALL THE OTHER PARKS AND PLANS THERE'S ROOM TO COMMENT ON LINE.

WHAT DO YOU WANT THE PARK TO INTO.

THIS BEACH CROSSOVER ON BAD AREA.

BAD PART OF THE ROAD. VERY HIGH DO YOU KNOW TO TRY TO GET THE WALK OVER. I JUST WOULD LIKE YOU TO PAUSE ON THIS. RECONSIDERATION.

>> LOOK WHAT THE OTHER OPTIONS ARE.

LOOK WHAT ELSE IS THERE. I'M JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT.

AS THE DOUBLE TAX PAYER IN THE COUNTY.

I ALSO WANTED TO SAY TO COMMISSION YES JOSEPH, IF YOU LIKE TO SPEAK WITH ME SOMETIME I DON'T HAVE TIME TODAY.

BUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT FARM LAND.

IF CRAZY NEW JERSEY CAN DO FARM LAND PREFKS IN THE COUNTY I CAME

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I COULD TALK TO YOU OR PUT YOU IN CONTACT WITH OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THERE. ABOUT HOW WE'VE DONE THAT AND REALLY BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL BY INCENTIVIZING THE FARMERS BASICALLY WE PURCHASE THE COUNTY AND SOME OF THE TOWNS.

THE STATE HELPS. YOU PURCHASE THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT. SO THAT LAND FOR EVER WHOEVER BUYS IT HAS TO BE KEPT FOR FARM LAND.

IT'S SUCCESSFUL. AND KEPT THE RURAL PART OF NEW JERSEY RURAL. JUST SOMETHING IF YOU WOULD LIKE IT WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK. I WILL SEND A FOLLOW UP E-MAIL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HOPE YOU WILL RECONSIDER WHAT YOU ARE DOING AT THIS WALK OVER PERHAPS NOT PUTTING THE BATHROOMS THERE. PERHAPS GATING IT.

LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS. THAT AREA IS DANGEROUS.

YOU WILL HAVE ME IF THERE'S ACCIDENT CALLING YOU AND TELLING YOU ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE HURT.

TRYING TO GET OUT OF OUR PARKING LOT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> HELLO AGAIN.

TRAY ASNER. OVER THE PAST MONTH, MANY CITIZENS HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THE DIRECTION THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS GOING WITH ITS INDIFFERENCE TO PRESERVING LOCAL HISTORY. THE PUBLIC HAS STATED THAT THEY ARE DISMAYED. GROWTH MANAGEMENT SAID THEY HAVE THE OFFICE WHICH IS MISLEADING. AND THREAT TO PUBLIC WELFARE IN, IN TERMS OF PRESERVATION OF THE PLACES THAT MATTER TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS. THE 20--YEAR-OLD CULTURAL RESOURCE COORDINATOR POSITION TASKED WITH IDENTIFYING AND PRESERVING LOCAL HISTORY IS ESSENTIALLY GONE.

IN ITS PLACE NEW POSITION WHICH IS NOT HAVE THE SAME DUTIES, NOR QUALIFICATIONS. THIS ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST POSITION INCLUDE JUST ONE PART OF THE PRIOR OFFICE.

DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND PRACTICE. I DO WONDER HOW WELL THAT PROCESS CAN BE ACHIEVED IF ONE DOESN'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OR KNOWLEDGE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING.

CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW IS MORE THAN JUST INTERPRETING GIS DATA.

ARCHAEOLOGIST WHO WROTE THE JOB DESCRIPTION FOR THE POSITION WHEN SHE SERVED ON THE REVIEW BOARD APPALLED HOW THE COUNTY PRESSURED ORDER OF THE OFFICE FOR FULLFILLING THE RESPONSIBILITY AS WRITTEN. SHE HAS STATED WHILE OTHER COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE NATION ARE WORKING HARD TO PRESERVE ELEMENT OF THE FUTURE CITIZENS SAINT JOHN COUNTY OF ALL PLACE SLIDING BACKWARDS AND GETTING INTO EVERY PER SIEFED DESIRE OF DEVELOPERS. GROWTH MANAGEMENT E-MAIL TO PUBLIC TO QUELL CONCERNS THE CULTURAL RESOURCE COORDINATOR POSITION. AND INTENTIONALLY MISREPRESENTING THE MISSION AS WRITTEN BY MISS CHANCE.

NOW THEY CANCELLED THE MEETING TO DELAY INEVITABLY AWKWARD MEETING. WE HAVE LOST A GREAT DEAL OF HISTORY IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. WE NEED HISTORIC RESOURCES MANAGEMENTS OF TO BE BROUGHT BACK AND ALLOW TO CONDUCT THE DUTY WITHOUT FOOER OR FAVOR. WITHIN INTENT AND SPIRIT CR CHANCE YEARS AGO. THE COUNTY HAS FOR SIX MONTHS FAILED TO ADDRESS ELAME ELAMENATION -- LIMBNATION OF THE OFFICE. SAINT JOHN COUNTY EMBRACES HISTORIC HERITAGE. PROVE IT.

BRING BACK THE HISTORIC RESOURCE MANAGEMENT OFFICE IN ITS ENTIRETY. LET US NOT VALUE CRACKER BARREL OVER CRACKER HISTORY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING OR GOOD AFTERNOON. KIM WILKY.

I'VE TALKED TO YOU ALL. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME IN THE PAST. YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT. THE T THE "T" -- TORTUGAS PARK.

THE ISSUE COMES DOWN TO 22 PARKING SPOTS VERSES THE DESTRUCTION OR ERADICATION EXTINCTION OF ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING SAND DUNES ON A1A. I WILL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE TURTLES FIELD MICE AND RABBITS AND THE SNAKES.

I'M JUST GOING TO QUOTE SOMEONE ELSE.

SONGWRITER. BACK IN 1970, CAME OUT WITH SONG CALLED "BIG YELLOW TAXI." YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT.

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THEY'VE PAVED PARADISE FOR PARKING LOT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING.

MICHELLE I LIVE AT TRADE WINDS CONDOS.

OBVIOUSLY, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE TORTUGA BEACH ACCESS.

A LOT HAS CHANGED OBVIOUSLY. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I ACTUALLY HAVE NOW MADE TRADE WINDS MY FULL-TIME RESIDENT.

I PURCHASED A CONDO BACK IN SEPTEMBER I WAS RENTAL RESIDENT FOR A 1 1/2. LOVED SO MUCH I DECIDED TO BUY A CONDO WILL. I LOVE BEING BACK.

I LOVE THIS BEACH. AMAZING MEMORIES.

THINGS THAT HAVE HAVE CHANGED, OBVIOUSLY, MY CAR CAN'T DRIVE ON THE BEACH ANYMORE. THAT'S UNUSUAL FOR ME.

I GET THE NEED FOR BEACH PARKING.

I UNDERSTAND IT. I USED TO COME DOWN.

WE CALL IT 206. PARK, WHEN WE NEED TO GO REST ROOM WE WOULD RUN TO CIRCLE K AND JIFFY WHATEVER CALLED BACK THEN. OF COURSE, WE HAD TO BUY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE YOU TO WALK IN THE STORE FOR THE REST ROOM.

THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE EYE BEEN GONE.

OBVIOUSLY, MORE TRAFFIC, COMING TO ST. AUGUSTINE.

IT HAS EXPLODED. THE TOURIST INDUSTRY.

YOU ARE FULL AWARE OF THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND IT AND RESPECT IT. AND NOW BEING A RESIDENT OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. I LOVE THIS COUNTY.

I WANT TO HELP THE COUNTY. BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO HURT WHERE I LIVE. WE HAVE PLENTY OF OTHER AREAS, I FEEL LIKE WHERE BEACH PARKING COULD BE EXPANDED.

I UNDERSTAND BEACH PARKING. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND ARE REST ROOMS, SHOWERS FACILITIES, A CHANGING STATION.

WHAT IS THAT? AND THE BOARDWALK THAT IS PROPOSED TO GO OVER THE DO YOU KNOW AND ABOUT 10 FEET FROM MY NEIGHBOR MR. WIHKY. SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT THERE TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

WE'VE MET WITH EACH ONE OF YOU. WE ASK FOR A PAUSE.

THERE'S SOME OTHER KIND OF TERM THEY USE TO USE.

HE'S RETIRED ATTORNEY AND JUDGE. WE WANT YOU TO PULL BACK IN YOU CAN. SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING.

LET'S JUST RELOOK AT THIS. RARELY EVER FULL.

NORTH OF US, ACROSS, MORE BEACH PARKING THEN OF COURSE THE CRESCENT BEACH RAMP. PLENTY OF PLACES.

BUILD A REST ROOM THERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> HELLO [INAUDIBLE] FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ESG.

AND WHEN YOU ALL PASSED A MOTION AGAINST ESG, IT WAS WITHOUT PUBLIC COMMENT. ONCE AGAIN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY DIDN'T SPEAK UP. AND DIDN'T TELL YOU YOU NEED PUBLIC COMMENT. PATRICK FRANCIS WOULD DO.

BECAUSE TOM REYNOLDS IF YOU BRING SOMETHING UP AND YOU VOTE ON IT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE. BIDEN VETOED THAT WOULD HAVE KEPT FIGURES FIDUCIARIES FROM CONSIDERING ESG MATTER.

YOU WILL MAKE A BETTER INVESTMENT IN OUR RESOURCES.

MARCH 5TH LAST YEAR. AND I ASKED YOU FOR CONSIDERING A 15% SALES TAX INCREASE THAT WE WOULD PUT TOWN BALLOT TO CONSIDER 25 IDEAS FOR GOVERNMENT REFORM.

NUMBER ONE REQUIRE CAMERAS. THE SHERIFF TOLD US IN SEPTEMBER WE WOULD GET BODY CAMERAS AND DASH BOARD CAMERAS FOR THE

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I REJECT SHERIFF SHORES FALSE STATEMENT IN 2016 WE NEED TO ACT ON NONAGENT PUBLIC COMMENT. I SAID STOPPING AS A RESULTING INTERRUPTING IGNORING OR HECKLING THE PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. STILL WAITING ON THAT.

I SUGGESTED ANSWER PUBLIC QUESTIONS DOOR QUESTION TIME LIKE THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT BY ADOPTING THE RULE FROM THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH REQUIRING THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS QUESTION BE ANSWERED INSTEAD OF IGNORED. THE CITY OF FLAGLER BEACH HAS A SIMILAR PROCEDURE INSTITUTED UNDER THE FORMER JUSTICE OFFICIAL. YOU REALLY UNFRIENDLY WHEN YOU BEGIN BY SAYING YOU CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS DEMANDING IMMEDIATE ANSWER. AND LET ME CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO FACT THAT THE MASSACHUSETTS SUPREME JUDICIAL COURT JUST OVERTURNED AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATION OF MASSACHUSETTS STATE CONSTITUTION CHILLING EFFECT LANGUAGE THAT THEY USE TO BOOT PEOPLE OUT OF MEETING AND HARASS PEOPLE.

>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN. JAMES WHITEHOUSE.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF A NUMBER OF CONCERN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE COUNTY PROPOSED TORTUGA PARK.

I KNOW AND APPRECIATE HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH YOU AND SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT IT. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF E-MAILS AND CALLS FROM THE NUMBER OF THESE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA. THE PARTICULARLY CONCERNED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW ABOUT OR COMMENT ON OR AT LEAST DISCUSS THIS MATTER WITH YOU OR THE STAFF PRIOR TO IT BEING BUDGETED DESIGNED AND NOW OUT FORBIDS.

YOU KNOW SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS. I WILL NOT GET INTO ALL OF THEM.

THEIR CONCERNS ARE THE FACT THAT CONSTRAINT, HIGH SPEED AREA ON A1A. THEY ARE CONCERNED WITH THE PLACEMENT OF WHERE THE WALKWAY IS.

IN RELATION TO WHERE THEIR BUILDINGS ARE.

THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF UNAUTHORIZED AFTER HOURS ACTIVITIES THERE WITH NO SECURITY AT UNSUPERVISED SITE. I DON'T THINK THIS FORUM TO DISCUSS OR GET INTO THAT. I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS COMMISSION TO TAKE THIS TEMPERATURE.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOUEN REALLY HAD A SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. COMMISSIONER DEAN IS ON THE COMMISSION. AND THAT WAS JUST FOR DISCUSSING THE COUNTY BUYING THAT PROPERTY. I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS COMMISSION TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE SOME COMMUNITY DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.

MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA TO DISCUSS THIS HIKE WE DO WITH OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE APPROVED IN THE COUNTY. AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT. HAVE STAFF DO MAYBE HOLD THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND HAVE REEVALUATION OF THE SITE.

WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE SITE AND IF THEY FIND IT TO BE -- IF THEY CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE AMICABLY.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO PAUSE, TO DO THAT.

TO INSTRUCT STAFF EVEN THOUGH THE BIDS ARE OUT.

UNTIL WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT.

AND THEY BRING IT BACK WITH THE REPORT TO YOU COMMISSIONERS AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE SUBSTANTIVE DECISION ON THIS.

IT MIGHT BE TO HAVE IT THERE. MAY BE CHANGE THINGS.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY. I APPRECIATE THE TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING MEETING.

36 GRANADA STREET IN DISTRICT FIVE.

IT'S BECOME HOME FOR THE HOMELESS.

COMPLETE WITH MATTRESS AND LITTER.

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ANDREW NORGATE, AND MARK JAN ESSECK TO CLEAN UP GRANADA STREET SO THIS IS NOT KNOWN AS TRASHVILLE.

JAY MCGARVEY BUILD TOWN HOMES MIND WAL-MART.

NEGOTIATED 211,000 ADMINISTRATOR SALARY IN 2020.

MARCH 7, 2023 CONTRACT IS 37,000 SALARY INCREASE OVER THE YEARS.

MARCH 28TH, TO 29TH, 2023, IS NONPROFIT DAY IN TALLAHASSEE.

NONPROFITS DO NOT PAY SALES TAX OR PROPERTY TAXES.

AND I COULD SAY MORE BUT MY TIME IS FLEETING BY.

DIS, CRI, MINATION. CAN OCCUR WHEN DEVELOPERS AND LAWYERS CONTROL THESE MEETINGS SINCE CERTAIN PROCEDURES HAVE BEEN ARRANGED NOT BY YOU, BUT MAYBE BY OTHER PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE TO GO BY. THIS CONCERNS ME ABOUT THE COMP PLAN. THIS COMP PLAN IN THE COUNTY HAS BEEN -- HAS BEEN OVER THE YEARS REWRITTEN WITH AMENDMENTS BY THE DEVELOPERS AND LAWYERS. WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE AND CHANGE IT.

BE CAREFUL PEOPLE. INDEPENDENT LAWYER FOR THE COMP PLAN REWRITE IF THERE'S A REQUIET.

THAT CONCERNS ME. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY INDEPENDENT LAWYER. SORRY.

THAT'S JUST MY OBSERVATION. AND ALSO I WANT TO AGAIN AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS, AND THIS IS WHY I TRY TO SAY IT EVERY COMMISSION MEETING WHENEVER I CAN COME.

I TRULY, TRULY, TRULY, APPRECIATE COMMENTS BY THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COUNTY ALL OVER THE COUNTY.

ALSO KNOWN AS TAX PAYERS AND I THINK THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN TOO

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>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM VICE CHAIR.

WE WILL MOVE INTO COMMISSIONER REPORTS.

WE'LL START TO MY LEFT COMMISSIONER ALAIMO.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THANK ALL YOU CAME AND SPOKE.

I HAVE BOTH OF THE PARKS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC COMMENT IN DISTRICT 3. THE PROPOSED PARK WITH THE BOARDWALK AND ALSO THE ROCK SPRINGS FARM BOTH OF THOSE ISSUES ARE IN DISTRICT 3. I MET WITH BOTH OF THEM YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT. REGARDING THE FIRST ONE THE "T" TORTUGA. I'VE DONE A SITE VISIT.

MET WITH THEM SEVERAL TIMES. I HEARD THEIR CONCERNS.

I THINK OVERALL THEY WANT A COMMUNITY DISCUSSION WITH STAFF.

AN OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THEM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AS FAR AS THE SAFETY AND SECURITY AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE BOARDWALK. AND JUST KIND OF HIT THE BRAKES ON THIS THING. I DON'T KNOW AS FAR AS I KNOW STAFF HAD MENTIONED THERE WILL BE SOMETHING COMING FORWARD ON THE NEXT MEETING. BUT IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, HIT THE BRAKES ON IT.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THAT DISCUSSION ON THAT.

AND I KNOW THE STAFF IS HERE. AND IF THEY WANT TO BRING UP ANYTHING WITH REGARDS TO THE TORTUGA PARKS.

HITTING THE BRAKES AND AREAING THEIR CONCERNS WOULD BE HELPFUL

AND GO A LONG WAY. >> IS THIS IN FORM OF MOTION?

>> I JUST WANT TO GET A CONSENSUS OF WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. AND IF YOU FEEL THAT'S AN IDEA

TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. >> I THINK WE'VE GOT COMMISSIONER WHOSE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS.

>> I TOTALLY AGREE. I'M CONCERNED MORE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. HOW FAST IT IS THERE AS WELL AS THE REST ROOMS AND CHANGING ROOMS. I COULD SEE IT WOULD BE A GOOD ENTRY IN THE BEACH WITH JUST PARKING. I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER ONE UP THE WAY THAT DOES VERY WELL. I COULD SEE PUTTING THE BRAKES

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>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> WHEN WE TUCK ABOUT PUTTING THE BRAKES ON. I COMPLETELY AGREE.

I WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BRAKE IS.

I UNDERSTAND THIS IS COMING OUT FO FORBID -- FOR BID ON APRIL 5TH. I'M GLAD THAT COMMISSIONER ALAIMO BROUGHT ITS UP TODAY. WE DO VENT A LOT OF TIME TO PUT THE BRAKES ON WITHOUT TAKING ACTION TO ALSO IF IT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD, THAT WE BASICALLY MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE DIRECT OREGON WE DON'T WANT TO GO FORWARD.

WE ONLY HAVE ONE MORE MEETING APRIL 4TH THE DAY BEFORE THE BILL. THAT SORT OF DIFFICULT TO CANCEL THE DAY BEFORE. WE NEED TO GET THE STAFF SOME DIRECTION. I AGREE WITH YOU.

AND I ALSO WILL TAKE A MOMENT TO EXPAND WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE. WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE THIS PARTICULAR LAND SWAPS DONE IN MAY 2016.

I WAS SWORN IN, IN NOVEMBER OF 2016.

NONE OF US TO MY KNOWLEDGE HAD ANY UNDERSTANDING OR BRIEFINGS OR CLEAR THINKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN GOING FORWARD AND AND NO COMPLAINTS AT ALL WITH THE STAFF. DON'T MISUNDERSTAND.

THEY INCLUDED IT IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT OVERALL BUDGET EACH YEAR. BUT THAT'S 300 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET. AND THIS IS A VERY, VERY SMALL PART OF THAT. AS THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN HERE A WHILE. WE'RE APPROVING THE ANNUAL BUDGET THIS YEAR. 1.5 BILLION.

WE DIDN'T SCRUTINIZE THE ITEM. IT'S JUST BEEN BURIED.

IT'S IT'S FINALLY ARISEN WHERE THE STAFF PREPARED TO GO FORWARD. I THINK THAT WE AS THE COMMISSION FOR THE FIRST TIME ALL FIVE OF US NEED TO STUDY THE PROJECT. BECOME EDUCATED AND MY INTENT IS TO NOT TAKE ANYTHING OFF THE TABLE.

BECAUSE FRANKLY, YOU LOOK AT THE PLEASURE OF PAYING PRINCIPLE.

THIS WILL CAUSE A LOT OF PAIN. JUST FROM MY TWO CENTS WORTH, I'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF STAFF.

WITH RESPECT TO FUTURE PROJECT WITH ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS PARTICIPATION. THIS ONE LITTLE PARKING AREA WOULD NOT SERVE A HUGE PURPOSE IN PROVIDING ADDITIONAL FEDERAL MONEY. THE RATIO WILL NOT BE THAT GREATLY IMPROVED. THIS WHOLE STRETCH FROM 206 DOWN TO FEDERAL MONUMENT HAS VERY LITTLE PUBLIC ACCESS.

THIS ISN'T GOING TO ADD THAT MUCH.

WHERE I'M HEADED, I THINK WE OUGHT TO INVESTIGATE LOOKING AT A THE SAVING WE MIGHT HAVE FOR NOT SPENDING THE MONEY ON THIS PARTICULAR SMALL SITE. AND, FOR SOME OF THE SAME REASONS THE SAFETY ISSUES. THIS IS A TOUGH AREA A1A FROM TRAFFIC STANDPOINT. AND ALSO YOU KNOW, WE COULD SURPLUS THE PROMPT. I WOULD PROBABLY BRING IN A MILLION DOLLARS. WE COULD DO BETTER THAN THIS SITE. I THINK NO OPTION IS OFF THE TABLOD. I THINK WE OUGHT TO DIRECT STAFF AND POSTPONE AND LET US LOOK INTO IT.

WORK WITH HOMEOWNER, TRADE WINDS AND COME UP WITH THE BEST

SOLUTION FOR THE RESIDENTS. >> I CONCUR WITH THAT.

I THINK THERE'S SOME GREAT IDEAS THERE.

>> I WILL BE BRIEF. IST OUT -- I WAS OUT LAST WEEK.

I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. SUPPOSED TO BE SPRING BREAK VACATION. I'M WORKING MY WAY BACK INTO THE OFFICE. BUT AT THIS TIME, I DON'T HAVE NEAR ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS.

I NEED TO DEEP DIVE INTO IT. I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND NOT A LOT OF ANSWERS. I SUPPORT PAUSING THIS AT THE MOMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DEEPER

UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO, I HAVE A QUESTION PORE M-- IF I COULD. YOU WEREN'T THE PARK DIRECTOR IN 2016. COULD YOU PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW.

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THEY WANT MORE BEACH ACCESS. HOW WE LANDED AT THIS SPOT,

MAYBE, ARE THERE OTHER SPOTS? >> SURE.

PARKS & RECREATION DIRECTOR. LOOKING TO SCHEDULE A BRIEFING TO REVIEW THIS PROPERTY AND THE HISTORY OF THAT?

>> YES, PLEASE. SOME TIME IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. I THINK LIKE COMMISSIONER ARNOLD HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I UNDERSTAND WE NEED BEACH ACCESS. BUT LIKE COMMISSIONER DEAN SAID I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE OPTIONS OFF THE TABLE BUT JUST GET MORE

INFORMATION. >> WE CAN DO.

>> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO. BALL IS IN YOUR COURT.

>> I WILL BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROPOSE POSTPONE THE BIDDING OF THE TORTUGA BEACH PROJECT.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER ALAIMO, A SECOND BY --

>> BEFORE YOU VOTE. MOTION AWARD THE BID.

THE BID IS DONE. THIS AWARDING OF THE BID.

JUST CLARIFY. I KNOW THE INTENT BUT AWARD THE

BID. >> WE'VE RECEIVED BIDS FOR THIS PROJECT. THIS WOULD BE A MOTION JUST NOT AWARD THE BID. -- POSTPONES THE AWARDING.

>> IS THAT SUFFICIENT CLARIFICATION?

>> IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

WE HAVE A PROPER MOTION. PROPER SECOND.

SHOULD WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR THE

REASON YOU ALL EXPRESSED. >> ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS UNSCHEDULED ITEM.

>> ONE MORE THING, IF I MAY. BEFORE YOU VOTE.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. IT'S THE OPENING OF THE BID.

LET ME EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE. I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE FOR YOUR MOTION. BUT THERE'S THE OPENING OF THE BIDS. BIDS ARE STILL TECHNICALLY GOOD FOR 60 TO 90 DAYS FROM OPENING TO AWARD.

WHAT YOU DO THROUGH COMMISSIONER ALAIMO MOTION WE DON'T OPEN THE BID. WE'RE PUTTING ON HOLD.

YOU HAVE THE OPTION. YOU COULD ALLOW THEM TO OPEN THE BIDS THEN 60 TO 90 DAYS WE WOULDN'T AWARD.

THEY WOULD BE GOOD IN THE EVENT THE COMMISSION AND THAT'S 60 TO 90 DAY WE LIKE WHAT WE'VE SEEN. FROM WHAT I HEAR IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE BOARD MAY GO.

IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION PURSUE WITH THE MOTION BUT JUST

THAT WE NOT OPEN THE BIDS. >> UNLESS THERE'S A LEGAL PROBLEM WITH THAT. WHICH I HAVE NOT SPOKE ON THAT.

BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE.

>> WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? >> AMEND THE MOTION TO NOT EVEN OPEN THE BID FOR THE PARK PROJECT.

>> SECOND. >> DO WE NEED TO WITHDRAWAL THE

ORIGINAL? >> NO.

NO. PROPOSED IN THE FORM OF AMENDMENT THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO VOTES.

THE FIRST VOTE WILL BE -- THERE MAY BE TWO VOTES.

THE FIRST WOULD BE WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT OF THE MOTION; IF THAT PASSES, THEN YOU WOULD TAKE A SECOND VOTE ON THE NOW PENDING MOTION AS AMENDED.

I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH IT. >> I'M JUST GOING TO DO -- WE'RE GOING TO VOTE BY VOICE ON THIS ITEM.

IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH AMENDING THE ORIGINAL MOTION SAY "AYE."

ON THE SECOND MOTION. >> NOW THE MOTION TOWN TABLE HAS BEEN AMENDED AND THE MOTION AS AMENDED IS UP FOR APPROVAL BY VOTE. NOW WE WILL VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT ITSELF. OR THE MOTION ITSELF.

TO NOT OPEN UP FORBIDS. >> RIGHT.

>> PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.

CONGRATULATIONS MR. ALAIMO. CONGRATULATIONS FOLKS WE WILL

TAKE A SECOND LOOK ON THAT. >> THE OTHER PARK THE ROCK SPRINGS FARMS PARK. THIS KIND OF UNUSUAL SITUATION.

AND I KNOW COMMISIONER DEAN, I THINK YOU WERE ON THE BOARD DURING THAT TIME. IT'S A COUNTY PARK.

BUT IT'S MAINTAINED BY THE HOA. THEY JUST FOUND THAT OUT OVER IN JANUARY. KIND OF A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT I -- NEVER SEEN BEFORE. I DID MEET WITH THESE FOLKS.

THEY SHARED THEIR CONCERNS. ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES IS THE LIABILITY. THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO GET

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AND THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH RYAN AND THE STAFF WHO HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO GET MY SOME FIGURES.

AND I DON'T -- I THINK I MAY HAVE GOTTEN SOME NUMBERS BACK REGARDING THIS. BUT WHAT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO MAINTAIN THE PARK. BUT YOU KNOW, I JUST OBVIOUSLY I SHARE THEIR CONCERNS, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE.

BUT I KNOW COMMISSIONER DEAN YOU WERE ON THERE.

AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIRECTION WOULD BE.

IT'S A TOUGH DEAL FOR THESE FOLKS.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT CAME TO US FOR APPROVAL FOR THE PUD, I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ACT THE DEVELOPER PROVIDING A PARK THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

HE CONCURRED OR AGREED ON THAT. I DON'T RECALL AND I HAVEN'T GONE BACK AND LOOK AT THE VIDEO. I DON'T RECALL ANY SPECIFIC IS DISCUSSION THAT THE COMMISSION MEETING ABOUT WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTEANCE AND THE INSURANCE ON WHAT WAS AND IS A PUBLIC PARK. THIS IS NOT A GATED COMMUNITY.

AND THE PUBLIC PARK IS USED BY THE PUBLIC.

THAT'S SORT OF I THINK LAYS THE GROUNDWORKS FOR WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SUGGEST. IT'S A PUBLIC PARK.

USED BY THE PUBLIC; AND LIKE WE DO WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER PUBLIC PARKS IN THE COUNTY, WE MAINTAIN THOSE PARKS AS BECAUSE THEY ARE COUNTY PUBLIC PARKS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESULT WOULD BE WITH LITIGATION BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE HOMEOWNERS, BUT I CERTAINLY BECAUSE THIS ROCK SPRINGS FARM DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES A PUBLIC PARK PERSONALLY, ROY, I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THE COUNTY STEPPED UP AND AGREED TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND I WOULD HAVE A QUESTION OF MR. CANE AS TO HOW WE DEAL WITH INSURANCE ON ALL OUR OTHER PUBLIC PARKS.

I DON'T THINK WE MAY INCLUDE THEM ON A MASTER LIST.

BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND APPLY PRIVATE INSURANCE OR INSURANCE FROM A PRIVATE COMPANY FOR EACH OF OUR PUBLIC PARKS. I THINK THAT WOULD TAKE INSURANCE OFF THE TABLE. AND IF THE MAINTENANCE IS AROUND $30,000 A YEAR, THAT'S PROBABLY SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN WHAT WE PAY FOR OUR REGIONAL PARKS. I'M SURE IT IS.

AND ALL THEINTO THE REGIONAL PAT THE MAINTENANCE BUT FOR NEW BALL FIELDS, ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT COME UP WHICH IS MULTIMILLION DOLLAR OPERATION. AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING FORWARD WITH BASICALLY ASSUMING THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MAINTENANCE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING FROM MR. CANE, MR. CANE, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING -- I'M SUGGESTING WE GO FORWARD WITH THE COUNTY MAINTENANCE OF THE PUBLIC PARK BUT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR BLANKET INSURANCE COVERAGE WOULD COVER THE LIABILITY INSURANCE. IS THAT CORRECT IN YOUR

UNDERSTANDING? >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

>> WITH THAT SAID. THAT'S MY SUGGESTION.

I WILL LEAVE THAT TO THINK ABOUT.

WE CAN DO IT NOW OR BRING IT BACK OR WE CAN WHATEVER.

THAT'S WHERE I AM. >> I THINK WE LOOK AT MAYBE BRINGING IT BACK. JUST SO -- I HAVE QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT. WHAT THAT WOULD COVER.

ARE WALKWAYS INCLUDED IN THAT WAY

>> WALKWAYS AREN'T INCLUDED THAT.

IT INCLUDE FACILITY MAINTENANCE ANNUAL UPKEEP WHICH WOULD BE REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT. WHEN THE PLAYGROUND DATES OUT THE REPLACEMENT OF THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL BUDGET.

ROOFING REPLACEMENT, ANYBODY THAT HAPPENS ON THOSE BUILDINGS, THEY ARE INCLUDED IN THE FACILITY MAINTENANCE END AS

WELL. >> OKAY.

>> THANKS RYAN. IS THERE ANY OTHER --

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. I WOULD SAY THIS ANOTHER ONE I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO COME UP TO SPEED ON AND GET MORE INFORMATION ON. I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THE FINAL FACTS AND FIGURES OF WHAT IT COST TO ASSUME IT. BEYOND THAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE PARK. POSSIBILITIES EVEN IF WE DO ASSUME IT. WHAT ARE OUR OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXPANSION. PLACES FOR FIELDS? AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I WANT EVERYBODY TO KIND OF

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I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING A DECISION AT THIS TIME.

I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO, I JUST HAVE SOME THOUGHTS. MR. CANE, OBVIOUSLY IF REREGOING TO TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE, THIS PARK, THE FACILITIES, ALL THE THINGS THAT COME WITH THE 20-YEAR REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE THAT THE COUNTY STANDARD REQUIRES, IS THERE ROOM TO BUILD A BALL FIELD. WE NEED TO PROVE PUBLIC BENEFIT?

>> WE HAVE DOESN'T ANALYSIS ON THAT.

CURRENTLY IN THE PORTION OF THAT ACROSS FROM THE BETWEEN ROUTE ONE ON THE POND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE THERE.

WE HAVEN'T ANALYZED THAT FACILITY YET EVALUATE.

>> JUST FOR ME COMMISSIONER ALAIMO BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE A DECISION; AND COMMISSIONER DEAN YOUR IDEAS ARE

GOOD. >> I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE ACT TODAY. I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT AND THINK ABOUT. I WANTED EVERYONE TO KNOW WHAT

MY THOUGHT WAS. >> MR. FITCH, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TAKE MEETING IN OURS OF WITH OUR STAFF SO WE CAN KIND OF DISCUSS THIS? IN MORE ONE ON ONE SETTING.

THERE'S NOT -- WE CAN DISCUSS IN GREATER DETAIL AND DISCUSS ALL THE POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES INTENDED OR OTHERWISE THAT MAY COME FROM THE MAINTENANCE. [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S WHAT I PREFER TO DO. HAVE ELSE -- HAVE MEETING WITH ROCK SPRINGS FOLKS AND MAKE A DECISION.

>> THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> AND THE FINAL THING I HAVE THE REGARDS TO I SPOKE WITH SHERIFF -- FORGIVE ME FOR INTERRUPTING.

JUST I HEARD EVERYTHING DISCUSSED.

PERHAPS THE BOARD COULD GIVE CONSENSUS TO STAFF TO FOLLOW UP IN THAT POSTURE THAT YOU JUST DISCUSSED.

DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS? >> WOULD YOU CARE TO HELP US

WITH THE MOTION. >> IT WOULD NOT BE A MOTION.

BECAUSE IT WOULD COME BACK IN THE FUTURE.

I BELIEVE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING DIRECT STAFF I THINK YOU ALL WANTED MORE INFORMATION ON INSURANCE, ALTERNATE USES, COSTS, AND ALSO DIRECT THEM TO MEET WITH THE HOA REPRESENTATIVES TO BRING BACK SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU ALL ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> ALSO, HOW DO YOU FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF DESIGN THAT WOULD WORK FOR US ALSO.

GETTING MAPS AND SEEING WHAT IS REALLY THERE.

AND I AGREE THAT WOULD BE GREAT POTENTIAL.

>> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS. >> YES.

>> WE HAVE CONSENSUS. >> SORRY COMMISSIONER ALAIMO.

>> THE FINAL ITEM THAT I HAVE COMMISSIONER REPORTS IS WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE USAGE.

THE SAFETY OF GOLF CART. I KNOW THE SHERIFF PUT UP SOME LEGISLATION. THE HOUSE SPONSOR REPRESENTATIVE STEPHENSON WHICH IS HOUSE BILL 949 AND WHAT IT DOES IS PROHIBITS THE PERSON FROM OPERATING GOLF CART ON CERTAIN ROADWAYS UNLESS THEY POSSESS LEARNER'S PERMIT OR DRIVER'S LICENSE. AND HE GOES ON TO SAY RAISING THE REQUIREMENT OF THAT INDIVIDUAL MAY HOLD DRIVER'S LICENSE IMMEDIATE ON THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS WHICH OCCUR WHEN CHILDREN ALLOWED TO OPERATE GOLF CARTS AT SUCH YOUNG AND INEXPERIENCED AGE. I KNOW HE PUT THAT OUT THERE.

REPRESENTATIVE STEVEN IS LEADING IT.

MAYBE HAVE CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD.

THAT MAYBE WE OFFER A LETTER OF SUPPORT OR PRESS RELEASE TO KIND OF SHOW OUR SUPPORT FOR THIS FOR THIS LEGISLATION.

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> I COULDN'T AGREE MORE COMMISSIONER ALAIMO. AS SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN THE GOLF CART COMMUNITIES. I'M HORRIFIED BY THE AGE OF THE KIDS I SEE DRIVING THEM AROUND. I COMMEND YOU FOR TAKING THIS UP THE LADDER. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

WE KNOW COUNTLESS KIDS AND FAMILIES THAT HAVE BEEN EFFECTED BY ACCIDENTS. THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

>> I WANT TO GIVE FACTUAL BACKGROUND.

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AND I ATTENDED IN MY INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD. AND SPOKE IN FAVOR AS A CITIZEN OF THIS BILL. IT PASSED FIRST COMMITTEE THAT DAY. BY A 15-0 VOTE.

IT IS -- IT DOES HAVE TRACTION. WE'RE IN WEEK THREE OF SESSION.

I BELIEVE THERE'S ABOUT FIVE MORE WEEKS AND A FEW MORE COMMITTEES FOR IT TO GET THROUGH.

THERE'S A COMPANION SENATE BILL. I WANTED TO GIVE UPDATE SINCE I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND THE HOUSE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING ON

THIS BILL LAST WEEK. >> THANK YOU.

>> DO WE NEED A MOTION TO FOR THE LETTER TO BE WRITTEN IN

SUPPORT OF? >> YES.

>> SO MOVED. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ASK THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN A LETTER ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION SUPPORTING THIS GOLF CART.

BUT I MISSED THE NUMBER. THIS LEGISLATION.

>> HOUSE BILL 949. >> 949 TO SUPPORT CHAIRMAN SIGNING LETTER IN SUPPORT OF HOUSE BILL 949.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

>> AT TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON COMMISSIONER DEAN'S MOTION. SUPER FAST COMMENT.

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH THIS.

IT'S A GREAT IDEA. I'M HAPPY COMMISSIONER THAT YOU ARE BRINGING UP THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE BOARD SUPPORTING EITHER PRO OR CON ON SOME LEGISLATION. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT -- I HOPE THIS IS BEGINNING OF MORE OF THOSE KINDS OF ACTIONS.

THERE'S SOME LEGISLATION THAT'S TROUBLING.

AND THERE'S ALSO SOME GREAT LEGISLATION THAT UP.

SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE STILL HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 5-0. >> ANYTHING ELSE.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> IT'S PAST NOON.

I HAVE ONE ITEM I WANT TO TOSS OUT.

I'M NOT TRYING TO ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO HAVE AN HOUR AND A HALF DISCUSSION. BUT I DO WANT TO MENTION IT TODAY. I WILL BE LOOKING FOR A CONSENSUS TO ASK STAFF TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND BRING BACK RECOMMENDATION. I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE STAY HERE FOR ANOTHER HOUR AND A HALF WITHOUT LUNCH.

I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY SEVERAL CONSTITUENTS WHO ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO WORKED TO MAKE SOME MAJOR AMENDMENTS TO OUR TREE ORDINANCE. FOR REASONS THAT I WON'T GO INTO HERE. THERE WAS NEVER A CONSENSUS FROM ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDING THE GROUP WHO WERE PROMOTING A STRONGER TREE ORDINANCE AND SOME FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TOO FAR. AND WHAT WE DID DO IN 2017 OR '18 IF I RECALL, IS WE SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASED CIVIL PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS OF THE EXISTING TREE ORDINANCE.

WE HAVE A TREE ORDINANCE. WE'VE HAD A TREE ORDINANCE FOR YEARS. ONE OF THE THINGS IT DOES HAVE IS A TREE BANK WHERE IF A DEVELOPER DOES HAVE TO TAKE DOWN CERTAIN TREES OF A CERTAIN DIAMETER AND CERTAIN KIND, THAT THERE WILL BE PAYMENT INTO THE TREE ORDINANCE.

THE CONSTITUENTS THAT I MUST LAST YEAR.

I WILL NOT MENTION SPECIFIC PROJECT.

I'VE DRIVEN BY PROJECTS FROM THE LAST YEAR THAT BASICALLY APPEAR TO BE MOONSCAPED. I WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.

I WOULD ASK CONCURRENCE YOU GUYS THAT WE THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING AND STAFF IS READY FOR A PRESENTATION PREPARED FOR A PRESENTATION, THAT WE HAVE REVIEW OF OUR EXISTING TREE ORDINANCE. AND RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THE LAND OWNER DOES HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHT THAT HAVE A RIGHT BUT NO PROPERTY RIGHT IS UNLIMITED.

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MAYBE WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB. >> I'M OBVIOUSLY COMPLETELY COMPASSIONATE ABOUT THE SUBJECT. IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE BIGGER BUFFERS. I THINK THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND TO KEEP CLUMPS OF TREES. I THINK THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT CREATIVE IDEAS TO NOT DESTROY OUR COMMUNITY.

EVEN IF THEY PHASE THE CLEAR-CUTTING JUST DESTROYS THE LOOK OF EVERYTHING AROUND US. AND ACTUALLY I JUST THINK THERE HAS TO BE MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN THE TWO.

WE SHOULD START TO EXPLORE. I KNOW MY PREDECESSOR IN 2019 WE HAVE SOME OF THE HIGHEST PRICED HOMES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

I WOULD OPPOSE ANY GOVERNMENT REGULATION THAT COULD INCREASE THE PRICE OF THOSE ALREADY YOU KNOW EXPENSIVE HOME WE HAVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WHICH TRY TO PROVIDE HOMES FOR OUR WORKFORCE AND WE STILL HAVE A 520,000 MEDIAN HOME PRICE.

ANYTHING THAT WOULD ADD TO THAT COST FOR BUILDERS OR BUYERS.

I WOULD OPPOSE IT. IF WE COULD APPROVE THE TREE ORDINANCE, OBVIOUSLY AS YOU KNOW AS EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M IN FAVOR OF CONSERVATION AND LAND AND WANT TO KEEP AS MUCH CANOPY AS POSSIBLE. I DON'T WHAT TO HAVE -- I DON'T WANT TO ADD FURTHER BURDENS TO THE FUTURE RESIDENTS.

>> I ACTUALLY DEVELOPER IN MY OFFICE FROM THREE MEETINGS AGO WHO WE LOOKED AT INDUSTRIAL PIECE.

HE WAS ON THE RAILROAD TRACKS. AND HE -- HE WANTED TO IT TO GO BACK TO COMMERCIAL. AND HE WAS IN MY OFFICE AND I ASKED ABOUT THE TREES. HE SAID TREES SELL HOMES.

AND I THINK IN FLORIDA, I THINK THE GENTLEMEN IS A DEVELOPER QUITE A FEW DEVELOPMENTS HE DONE IN PAST.

I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO THIS.

WHY BE IN FLORIDA IF WE WANT TO BE IN THE DESERT IN ARIZONA.

IT'S A COMPLIMENT TO AIR, THE WATER, THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN HOUSES ARE SO EXPENSIVE NOW. WHEN THE STATE OF WATER MANAGEMENT ACQUIRED DON SEVERAL VACCI CONSERVATION AREA. THE HOMES ADJACENT TO ACTUALLY WENT UP 20-25% IN VALUE. I THINK THAT'S AGAIN NOT TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD YOU KNOW ALLOW CLEAR-CUTTING ON THE ENTIRE TRACK. MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS REALLY RESIDENTIAL. I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION THE PROJECT. LET'S SAY IT'S ON MY FAVORITE ROAD I'M TRYING TO GET FOUR LANES.

WHEN I DRIVE BY NOT BAD MOOD IT'S A TWO-LANE COUNTRY ROAD.

BUT NOW THERE'S 50 ACRES OF CLEAR-CUT NEXT TO IT LIKE OKAY.

SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.

>> IF YOU MAKE A MOTION, I WILL SECOND IT.

>> WE NEED CONSENSUS THAT WE ASK STAFF TO BRING BACK A PRESERVATION NOT NECESSARILY AT THE NEXT MEETING BUT THE NEXT

AVAILABLE WHEN THEY ARE READY. >> THIS COULD BE DONE BY

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CONSENSUS. >> I WILL ASK FOR CONSENSUS.

AND AGAIN TO BRING THIS TO US WHEN THE STAFF IS PREPARED TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND STARTING WITH AN EXPLANATION WITH THE EXISTING REORDINANCE. SOME MAY BE ABLE TO WORK ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE WITH 50 HOMES PROPOSED.

WHERE WE CAN VISUALIZE WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE CONSENSUS.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> I'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE OF ISSUES LIKE COMMISSIONER ALAIMO.

ONE IS THAT MICKLER ROAD A1A SOUTH, WE NOW HAVE HOMES.

WE HAVE MORE HOMES BEING BUILT ALL ALONG BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. IT'S STILL A TWO-LANE.

WE HAVE CLOSE CALLS EVERY DAY BECAUSE IT'S 55 MILES PER HOUR IN THERE. TRUCKS PULL OVER TO SIDE.

DELIVERY TRUCK. IT'S VERY UNSAFE.

I'M NOT SURE HOW TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT.

>> I HELP YOU THERE. IT'S OBVIOUSLY A STATE ROAD CONTROLLED BY OWNED BY MANAGED BY D.O.T. THE NORMAL PROCESS IN THE PAST WHERE AGAIN WE AS COMMISSION CAN REQUEST D.O.T. TO DO AN UPDATED TRAFFIC STUDY. BECAUSE THIS 2 AND A HALF MILE STRETCH WHICH IS GONE FROM LITERALLY ZERO TO 90 IN TEN YEARS. IN OTHER WORDS DRAMATIC INCREASE. IT'S ALMOST BUILT OUT ON THE

WEST SIDE. >> EXACTLY.

I KNOW THAT HIGH SCHOOL RUNNER OR COLLEGE RUNNERS KILLED RIGHT THERE RUNNING ALONG THE ROAD JUST RIGHT BY MICKLER.

WHAT BUILT THERE NOW IS NOT WHAT IT WAS FIVE OR TEN YEARS AGO.

I HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DRIVING THAT ROAD AT LEAST TWICE MONTH NOW FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS.

EVERYBODY WANTS TREES THERE. BUT THEY BLOCK THE TRAFFIC.

HERE COMES 55 MILES PER HOUR. MY SUGGEST WE SEND A LETTER REQUESTING THAT D.O.T. DO THE NECESSARY STUDIES TO LOOK AT BRINGING THAT SPEED LIMIT DOWN TO REASONABLE RESIDENTIAL SPEED.

NOT TWO. BUT MAYBE 45.

>> DO I HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THAT?

>> IS THAT ALL RIGHT? >> SINCE RYAN HAS BEEN BUSY TODAY. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR HIM.

I TOURED WITH RYAN CANE THE PARKS IN MY DISTRICT.

AND THE NORTH PARK IS -- HAS A WALK OVER, OVER A1 5.

THERE'S CONCERN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.

I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT NEW DESIGN WHERE THE WHERE THE PLAYGROUND IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF PARKING LOT BUT MORE TOWN SIDE AND THE TREES WHERE THE KIDS PLAY WILL KIND OF STAY THE WAY THAT WAY. I JUST WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING

PUBLICLY ON THAT. >> RYAN?

>> IT'S AN EXISTING PARK FACILITY THAT DID HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PLANNED FOR ENHANCEMENTS THAT INCLUDED ADDITIONAL PARKING, NEW REST ROOMS. CHANGING STATIONS, VERY SIMILAR TO ONE WE JUST HEARD AS WELL.

IT DID GO BEFORE THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD ON MARCH 8TH AND PUBLIC COMMENT AND INPUT THERE AT THAT TIME.

THE STAFF DID GO BACK AND MET PUBLIC WORKS STAFF PARKS AND REC STAFF IN THE DESIGN TEAM AT THE SITE.

AND OUR COMING UP WITH INITIAL -- YOU HAVE INITIAL DESIGN AND ALTERNATIVE DESIGN BASED ON SOME OF THAT PUBLIC FEEDBACK THEY WILL PRESENT AT THE MARCH 30TH PUBLIC MEETING.

THERE'S A PUBLIC MEETING FOR TO SEE THE PROPOSALS AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE INPUT. THERE'S A MARCH 30TH AT THE

NORTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER. >> IS PLAY GROUND GOING TO STAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT OR WE'RE MAYBE MOVING IT?

>> I HAVEN'T SEEN THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN.

THEY WENT TO SITE. LOOK WHAT THE CONCERNS WERE FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP THE TWO MAIN ONES THAT I CAN REMEMBER OFF HAND REDUCING THE GREEN SPACE WAS ONE OF THE

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STAFF LOOKED AT BOTH OF THOSE AND ARE WORKING THROUGH TO COME UP WITH LIKE I SAID ALTERNATIVE DESIGN THAT WOULD BE COMPROMISE I THINK SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE.

>> GREAT. >> ONE LAST CITIZENS IN DISTRICT FOUR WHO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. FOUR GIRLS WON OUR STATE SWIMMING, TWO RELAYS. ONE OF THE GIRLS IS MY DAUGHTER'S BEST FRIEND OLIVIA AND ANNIE SET METE RECORDS IN

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THOSE GIRLS. >> CONGRATS.

COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> I HAVE NOTHING.

>> I HAVE NOTHING. WHICH TAKES US ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS. I HAVE TWO THINGS FOR THE BOARD.

THERE WAS A FATAL ACCIDENT UNDER THE PABLO CREEK BREACH ON THE INTERCOASTAL IN 2021 AND THERE'S A PETITION REQUEST THAT CAME IN TO MY OFFICE TOWARD THE END OF LAST YEAR TO ASKED US ADMINISTRATION TO BRING TO BOARD TO REVIEW FOR A SLOWER WAKE OR NO WAKE ZONE. PART OF THAT PROCESS WOULD BE A CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE. THAT NEEDS TO BE GIVEN DIRECTION BY THIS BOARD TO PURSUE THAT WORK COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON THAT. I KNOW THAT MISS WES HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT. I LOOK FOR BOARD CONSENSUS OR DIRECTION THIS AFTERNOON TO BEGIN REVIEW OF THAT AND BRING BACK BACKNANCE -- BACK AN ORDINANCE

CHANGE. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE PROVIDE NO WAKE ZONE. I KNOW MISS ANDREWS YOU REACHED OUT TO SEE IF THEY HAD CONCERN OR OBJECTIONS WITH THE NO WAKE ZONE. THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO KEEP THE FOLKS SAFE.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION OR IF WE NEED CONSENSUS HAPPY SUPPORT IT.

>> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? >> YES.

>> OKAY SOUNDS GOOD. ONE OTHER THING, YOU MAY BE AWARE THAT JUDGES ASK EPIC BEHAVIORAL TO LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF A MENTAL HEALTH COURT AS ARE AWARE.

WE DRUG COURT AND VETERAN'S COURT.

EPIC WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD REQUESTING A GRANT FOR THE STATE AND THERE'S A TIME LINE OF THAT. WE WERE JUST MADE AWARE.

THE DEADLINE BEFORE THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.

UTLEY THE COUNTY OBLIGATION WOULD BE TO COMMIT 50,000 IN FUNDS TO SUPPORT THAT MENTAL HEALTH COURT SHOULD EPIC GET THE GRANT TO PROCEED WITH THE PLANNING OF IT.

THE COUNTY WOULDN'T DO THE PLAN. EPIC WOULD DO THE PLANNING ALONG WITH JUDICIARY. THE COUNTY WOULD SUPPORT THAT THROUGH MATCHING GRANT OF $50,000.

COUPLE OF THINGS HERE. IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. NUMBER ONE YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PROCEDURAL WAIVER OF THE RULE THEN NUMBER 2, IS THAT IT'S -- THE FUNDING IS ALREADY THERE.

THE DIRECTOR HAS IDENTIFY FUNDING THAT COULD BE USED FOR THAT. SHOULD THE BOARD WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MENTAL HEALTH FUNDING.

>> I WANT TO SAY I FULLY SUPPORT THIS INITIATIVE.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY HAVE A NEED IN PLACE FOR HERE IN THE COUNTY. KNOWING WE HAVE MONEY BUDGETED IT WOULD BE ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS AND HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION MOVE

FORWARD. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

I TOO HAVE LOOKED INTO IT. I CALL SHERIFF YESTERDAY AND ASKED HIM IF THAT WOULD HELP HIS CAUSE.

HE SAID THAT WOULD BE TREMENDOUS.

I REALLY LIKE THAT. AS WELL AS I THINK THE 50,000 IS IF WE GET THE GRANT. WE HAVE TO MATCH IT;

>> YES. WE DON'T JUST PAY TORE THAT TO

APPLY FOR THE GRANT. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> I JUST WANT TO TACK ON SAME THING. GOING BACK TO 2016.

SHERIFF SHORE FIRST AND NOW SHERIFF HARDWICK HAVE TOLD ME TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT 450 INMAES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR OFFICE MORE OR LESS AT LEAST HALF OF AT LEAST HALF ARE MENTAL ILLNESS PROBLEMS. BE THEY JUST MENTAL ILLNESS OR ALCOHOL OR DRUG ABUSE.

THEY HAVEN'T COMMITTED A VIOLENT CRIME.

THEY ARE THERE BECAUSE OF THEIR MENTAL HEALTH CONDITION.

THE MORE WE CAN IMPROVE AND HELP THOSE PEOPLE NUMBER ONE IS GREAT FOR THEM. [INAUDIBLE]

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. >> MR. CHAIR.

I'M SORRY. WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION TOWN TABLE YET. BUT EVEN BEFORE A MOTION TOWN TABLE WE NEED A MOTION TOWAY PERHAPS THAT WOULD BE PROPER AT

THIS TIME. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TOWAY BOARD RULE 4.304. ALL IN FAVOR SAY "AYE."

>> AYE. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD PERHAPS

YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. >> I HAVE A MOTION PREPARED.

MAKE MOTION TO AUTHORITY DESIGNEE TO EARNINGS CONSTITUTE FORM COMMITTING THE COUNTY 50,000 IN MATCHING FUNDS FOR THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN FAMILY GRANT TO IMPLEMENT A MENTAL HEALTH COURT IN SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> AT THIS TIME WE HAVE TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> SEEING NONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.

CONGRATULATIONS. NOW WE HAVE TO REINSTITUTE THE

BOARD. >> MOVE TO REINSTATE RULE 4.304.

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>> MOVE TO REINSTATE. >> ONE ITEM.

THE BOARD MAY RECALL AT OCTOBER 18TH MEETING HEARD A PROPOSED PUD REZONING FOR DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THAT WAS THE MEETING THAT OCCURRED RIGHT AFTER COMMISSIONER WARDRON PASSED AWAY. WE DIDN'T HAVE A FULL BOARD.

WE DIDN'T HAVE A DISTRICT COMMISSIONER.

ON THAT DAY THERE WAS A MOTION TO DENY THAT WAS PROPERLY SECONDED AND THEN DID NOT PASS DUE TO A 2-2 VOTE.

NO OTHER MOTION WAS BROUGHT UP AT THAT TIME.

WE DETERMINED THAT IT WAS A TECHNICAL DENIAL.

APPLICANT FILED A PETITION RESOLUTION CHALLENGING OUR PROCEDURAL DETERMINATION. WE HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH THEM ON THAT. PROPOSED RESOLUTION TO ENVIRONMENTAL DISPUTE RESOLUTION ACT.

IF IT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE, WE MIGHT RECOMMEND A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THIS ITEM, NOW THAT WITH HAVE A FULL BOARD AND DISTRICT COMMISSIONER. IF THAT WAS THE BOARD'S PLEASURE WE COULD BRING THIS ITEM BACK AT A FUTURE DATE FOR A FULL HEARING. IF WE DID PASS A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE APPLICANT WOULD DROP THEIR LAND USE ENVIRONMENTAL DISPUTE RESOLUTION CLAIM AGAINST COUNTY.

I WILL GLADLY ANSWER QUESTION OR A RECOMMENDED MOTION IF THERE'S

NO QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> WHERE THE LOCATION OF THIS.

IS THIS THE 3-4 STORY -- >> MULTIFAMILY UNITS.

>> IT'S LOCATED NEAR U.S. ONE AND WATSON ROAD.

THE WAY PRESENTED WHICH IS THE WAY THEY INTEND TO BRING IT BACK IF IT COMES TO THAT IS 15.7 ACRES AND MAXIMUM OF 240 APARTMENT UNITS. I DON'T REMEMBER THE HEIGHT AT

THIS TIME. >> IS THIS NOT WHAT WE JUST

TURNED DOWN TWO WEEKS AGO KWCHLT >> IT'S RIGHT DOWN FROM BELATERA. EACH ONE STANDS ON ITS OWN.

>> DOES THE TRAFFIC CHANGE. THAT WOULD BE APPLICANT TO

PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.

I TEND TO WANT TO SUPPORT RECONSIDERATION.

NUMBER ONE IT RESOLVES THE CURRENT LITIGATION.

AND NUMBER TWO, TO BE CLEAR, I AND I WOULD LIKE THE ATTORNEY

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>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IT WOULD BE LIKE ANY OTHER

QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING. >> I GUESS THIRDLY, GIVEN THE UNIQUE SITUATION THAT WOULD CAUSE LOSS, 2-2 VOTES ARE A BIT ODD AND UNUSUAL. I THINK IT ALSO -- I DOESN'T OFFEND ME TO HEAR THE CASE AGAIN.

FOR THOSE REASONS I WOULD SUPPORT RECONSIDERATION.

>> YEAH. I THINK JUST ON THE INTEREST OF TAKING SOMETHING OFF OF OUR ATTORNEYS PLATES AND GIVING THE APPLICANT A FAIR CHANCE TO BE HEARD BY ALL FIVE COMMISSIONERS BY A FULL BOARD WITH THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER.

KNOWING THAT HE CAN VOTE AGAINST IT.

IT WOULD FAIL AS TECHNICAL DENIAL.

I THINK THE APPLICANT DESERVES TO BE HEARD.

I WILL SUPPORT HEARING IT AGAIN. LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> [INAUDIBLE] PLEASE MOVE TO TABLE THIS. THIS WAS 7151 ACTION.

IS THAT RIGHT? >> FLORIDA -- THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE WHEN A PETITION FILED EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING WHERE THE ACTION WAS DISCUSSED IS SENT A CERTIFIED LETTER AND WERE INVITED TO SPEAK BEFORE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE OR THE MEDIATOR.

DID THAT HAPPEN? >> NO.

WAS IT ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY? >> NO.

>> WHY? WHY IS THIS BEING BROUGHT UP WITHOUT A RED FOLDER, WITHOUT AN AGENDA ITEM.

AT THE LAST MINUTE BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY? THIS IS WRONG. MY MOTHER HAD A SIGN IN HER OFFICE IN BLACKWOOD NEW JERSEY POOR PLANNING ON YOUR PART, DOES NOT NECESSARILY CONSTITUTE AN EMERGENCY ON MY PART.

THIS SHOULD BE TABLED. THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BY COUNTY ATTORNEY. THIS SHOWS DISRESPECT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT, AND FOR CITIZEN RIGHTS TO KNOW WHEN YOU LEAVE A MEETING THAT THE ITEM IS RESOLVED.

AND I ALSO OBJECT TO THE APPARENTLY ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND ST. AUGUSTINE. I CAN'T FIND ANY OTHER PLACE WHERE THEY SAY A TIE VOTE IS A TECHNICAL DENIAL.

IF WE'RE GOING BY ROBERTS RULES A TIE VOTE IS A DENIAL.

THE ADJECTIVE TECHNICAL IS UNNECESSARY.

AND I THINK IT WAS SUPPLIED BY THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY.

WITH THE GOVERNMENT WHO REALLY ARE HOSTILE TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND TOTALLY -- THIS ITEM SHOULD NOT BE HEARD.

WE DON'T HAVE A MEMO. WE DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM.

AND I THINK IT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY WE KEEP FAVORING DEVELOPER IN TRYING TO PULL THEIR IRONS OUT OF THE FIRE. EVERY SINGLE MEETING.

GUY NOT JUST TABLE THIS ITEM RATHER THAN EMBARRASS YOURSELVES AND LOOKING LIKE YOU'RE IN THE TANK WITH DEVELOPERS.

BECAUSE SOME OF YOU ARE. IT'S HORRIBLE.

IT'S REALLY EMBARRASSING. AND I THANK YOU.

>> >> IT'S A FULLY NOTICED HEARING.

WITH THE ADVERTISING OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND AGAIN I DO DISAGREE WITH THE TECHNICAL DENIAL ARGUMENT THAT WAS MADE.

THE MOTION MADE WAS A MOTION TO DENY THE PROJECT.

THE VOTE WAS 2-2. THAT MOTION DENY DID FAIL.

IT WASN'T A TECHNICAL DENIAL. THE MOTION WAS MADE WAS A MOTION

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THAT'S THE BASIS OF THE PETITION.

WE REQUEST RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE FAIR HEARING ON THIS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> I THINK WE DESERVE MORE TIME TO LEARN ABOUT THIS. SINCE WE HAVE TO KIND OF MAKE -- YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE FLY AND WE HAVE TO COMMENT TOWN FLY WITHOUT TIME TO PREPARE OR RESEARCH FOR THIS, MY GUT FEELING ABOUT THIS IS THIS -- IT'S A DENIAL IS A DENIAL. A 2-2 TIE SHOULD MEAN WHAT IT MEANS AND IF WE QUESTION WHAT IT MEANS, THEN WHAT HAPPENS FOR ALL FUTURE 2-2 TIES DO THEY ALL GET TO BE RECONSIDERED? CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRECEDENT IT WOULD SET.

AND I DO AGREE ACTUALLY THAT IT SHOULD BE TABLED.

>> THANK YOU. >> IT SHOULD BE TABLED.

THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE -- PERFECT EXAM OF WHY LAWYERS AND DEVELOPERS SEEM TO HAVE A WAY OF BRINGING UP AND DOING THINGS. THIS HAS BEEN FIVE MONTHS SINCE COMMISSIONER PASSED AWAY. WHY DO WE WAIT FIVE MONTHS TO BRING THIS UP AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

DID I UNDERSTAND THE PERSON JUST GOT UP NOT MISS CROSBY THE ONE BEFORE HER. THERE'S BEEN NO MEDIATION SET UP? WHO KNOWS.

MAYBE THE MEDIATOR WOULD SAY CAN'T DO THIS.

YOU KNOW, WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN AT THE END OF THESE MEETING WE'RE HAVING THESE THINGS BROUGHT UP WHEN NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION.

THE PEOPLE THAT CAME IN AND SPOKE WHERE THERE WAS A 2-2.

NOW THEY HAVE FIND OUT FROM SOMEONE, SOME WAY.

I WILL BE PUBLIC NOTICE, BUT IT'S NOTICE TODAY.

THEY ARE NOT HERE. THIS IS WRONG.

THIS IS WRONG. THIS IS WRONG, THIS IS WRONG.

I WAS WONDERING WHO THAT GENTLEMAN WAS SITTING NEXT TO A LAWYER MR. INGRAM. WE GOT ANOTHER ONE IN THE BACK TOO. SITTING AND PAYING ATTENTION.

I THINK YOU ARE WRONG AND GOING AHEAD AND MEET MEDIATING BUT REDOING THIS THINGS INSTEAD OF TABLING AND PUT ON AGENDA SO EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT GOING ON THEN YOU GO AHEAD AND DO YOUR THING. IT'S TRUE WHAT THE MAN SAID IN THE MEDIATION HAS NOT OCCURRED YET.

BUT HE BROUGHT I UP NOW THREE THE ATTORNEY DEPARTMENT.

PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. LET'S DO SOMETHING RIGHT.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> JUST TO CLARIFY THAT WHAT I'M BRINGING FORWARD IS A FROM POSTAL THAT WILL SETTLE SOME LITIGATION. AND THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT FORWARD. AS FAR AS THE TIMING ON THIS.

THERE IS NO EMINENT DEADLINE. WE WOULD LIKE TO RESOLVE THE LITIGATION WITHOUT FURTHER COST. AND THIS WOULD AS ALREADY INDICATED SEVERAL TAMES THIS WOULD COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD IN FULL QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING. IF YOU ALL VOTE TO RECONSIDEROD.

DOESN'T MEAN THIS ITEM IS OVER. THIS COMES BACK BEFORE YOU ALL IN THE FUTURE. AS IT WOULD BE PROPERLY NOTICED QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING FOR YOUR REVIEW.

JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THOSE THOUGHTS.

AND THEN COMMISSIONER DEAN YOU SEEMED INCLINED TO MAKE A MOTION. I CAN HELP YOU CRAFT THAT MOTION

IF YOU SO DESIRE. >> BOARD COMMENTS FIRST.

>> JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS POSSIBLY SETTING A PRECEDENT MAKES ME NERVOUS. WHEN YOU TURN IT DOWN.

ISN'T THEY CAN COME BACK IN YEAR AND WE'RE AT FIVE MONTHS?

>> IS THAT THE CASE? >> THEY CAN BRING IT BACK IN SIX MONTHS OR SO? I JUST THINK OF IT THAT DIRECTION INSTEAD OF JUMPING THE BEGUN HERE.

>> COMMISSIONER, THE PROCESS WILL COST THE COUNTY I WOULD ESTIMATE AT LEAST $5,000 AND COULD BE WELL ABOVE THAT.

THAT'S ONE REASON NOT TO SIMPLY GO THROUGH THIS WHEN THEY COULD COME BACK IN 7 MONTHS TO CUT THAT LITIGATION OFF NOW WITHOUT FURTHER EXPENSE TO THE TAX PAYERS.

AND SOLELY THROUGH BRINGING THE ITEM BACK.

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>> WOULD THAT SET A PRECEDENT? >> 2-2 WILL NEVER BE A DENIAL

EVER AGAIN. >> AND $5,000.

WE JUST SAVED 1.3 ON THE PARK THAT WE WILL SAVE THE MONEY THERE. I AGREE THE MEDIATION OBVIOUSLY I'M NAIVE, YOU CAN LAUGH AT MY. I'M ASKING WHY.

>> YOU ARE NOT NAIVE. EACH ITEM IS HANDLED INDIVIDUALLY. WE DON'T LOOK AT PREVIOUS DECISIONS. BASED TOWN ASPECT OF THIS CASE THIS IS WHAT MY OFFICE RECOMMENDED IN THIS INSTANCE.

WE WON'T RELY ON THIS AS PRECEDENT FOR ANY FUTURE SIMILAR

MATTERS THAT MAY COME UP. >> BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE I DON'T THINK WOULD SET A PRECEDENT.

IF I THOUGHT IT WOULD I WOULDN'T VOTE TO RECONSIDERATION.

THEY JUST SAID THAT IN THE COMMENT.

2-2 PEOPLE GOT TO COME BACK ALL RIGHT.

IN FACT WE HAD PROJECT LAST MONTH WHERE THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT THAT WE DENY THE PROJECT AND HE REQUESTED TO WAIVE THE RULE AND WE DENIED THAT.

THERE'S NO PRECEDENT BEING SET HERE IN MY OPINION.

I'M JUST TRYING TO MOVE THIS AHEAD TO AVOID FURTHER LITIGATION COST. I WENT TOWN RECORD TO CLARIFY THAT IN NO WAY BINDS US TO OUT COME.

THE IDEA THAT WE RECONSIDER THIS TO ME IS A GOOD RECOMMENDATION.

IT'S OUR DECISION. >> THANK YOU.

IF I MAY JUST ONE MORE THINK TO ADD IN CONTEXT.

WE HAD TWO PROJECTS THAT HAD TECHNICAL DENIALS.

HOWEVER YOU CHOOSE TO PHRASE IT. THAT WAS AS A RESULT COMMISSIONER LOST LIFE WHILE IN OFFICE.

[INAUDIBLE] I DON'T THINK THAT'S SITUATION IS SOMETHING WE WILL SEE COMING UP.

I'M UNAWARE OF ANY OTHER 2-2 VOTES BUT JUST THOSE HAVING WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY. I DON'T SEE IT AS FUTURE ONGOING SITUATION. IT'S UNIQUE TO THAT TIME AND PLACE. [INAUDIBLE]

DID YOU READ THE MOTION? >> COMMISSIONER DEAN, I THINK YOU INDICATED YOU MIGHT BE INCLINED TO MAKE A MOTION.

COULD I GIVE YOU SUGGESTED MOTION BASED ON WHAT I HEARD

FROM YOU. >> BASED ON THE FACTS THAT WE HAVE HEARD, I WOULD MOVE TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE ON THE PROJECT THAT WAS DENIED 2-2 IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.

>> PERHAPS, MOTION TO RECONSIDER PUD2021-26, PUD AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE REGULAR MEETING AND UPON DUE NOTICE AS REQUIRED BY

LAW. >> LET'S GO WITH THAT.

>> I BELIEVE THAT'S A

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