Mar 16, 2023 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order]

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>> ALRIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALRIGHT, MR. VICE CHAIR WOULD YOU READ THE PUBLIC NO STATEMENT?

>> I SHALL COME THIS IS A PROBABLY MOST PUBLIC HEARING THE REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS JURISDICTION AND THE OPPORTUNITY AT THE DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD AVAILABLE IN THE FOUR-YEAR. ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN.

THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM FOR A LENGTH OF TIME FASCINATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, THEN STATE THE ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD . SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY, THEY DO NOT THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON SAYS TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER, SUCH PERSON WOULD NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS A PART OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WOULD THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR THE BOARD OR COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THAT THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUT OF THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE BOARD. IT'S SUCH A COMMUNICATION HAS

[Approval of meeting minutes for PZA 4/7/2022, 5/5/2022, 9/15/2022, 2/2/2023 and 2/16/2023]

CIVILITY CLAUSE, WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

>> THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR. COMMITTEE MEMBERS, YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU APRIL 27 - - SEPTEMBER 15 2022, FEBRUARY 2 2023 AND FEBRUARY 16 2023. DO HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL?

>> SO MOVED TO APPROVE. >> CHAIR: A MOTION BY HENRY AND THE SECOND BY ELVIS, ANY DISCUSSION? ALTHOUGH SUPPOSED TO SAY NAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THE MOTION PASSES. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

THIS IS A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTPERIOD .

[1. SUPMAJ 2022-12 Water Plant Rd. Borrow Pit]

THERE WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR EACH ITEM ON THE AGENDA ALSO. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS AT

THIS POINT IN TIME?>> WE DO HAVE SEVERAL SPEAKER CARDS BUT

NOT FOR GENERAL COMMENT. >> ALRIGHT TEMECULA FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL MOVE ON PUBLIC ITEM NUMBER ONE. MS. EVANS, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION? ALRIGHT, MS. EVANS, YOU HAVE

THE FLOOR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A 16 ACRE PIT ON THIS 625 ACRE SITE LOCATED ON THE NORTHERN END OF WATER PLANT ROAD OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 214. IT'S 1 MILE WEST OF I-95.

THE SURROUNDING AREA IS LARGELY UNDEVELOPED.

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AGAIN, THE PROPERTY IS VERY LARGE, 625 ACRES SURROUNDED TO THE WEST, EASTERN PART OF THE NORTH UNDEVELOPED LAND, JAVELIN OR CONSERVATION AREAS.HE LARGE LOT RURAL RESIDENTS AT THE MOMENT IS LOCATED TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH.

THERE IS A PREVIOUS BORROW PIT FROM 2006 LOCATED NEAR THE CENTER OF THE SITE, AND THIS PIT WAS ONLY ABOUT 20 ACRES.

THE PROPOSED PIT WILL BE LOCATED JUST NORTH OF THAT AND SMALLER AT 16 ACRES. THE PROVIDED SITE PLAN FAR EXCEEDS THE RESIDENTIAL, NONRESIDENTIAL AND RIGHT-OF-WAY SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. THE RESIDENTIAL SETBACK REQUIREMENT IS 100 FEET, WE ARE SHOWING A 750 FOOT SETBACK TO THE NORTH AND ALMOST 3500 FOOT SETBACK TO THE SOUTH.

THE SETBACK FROM WATERFRONT ROAD IS A MINIMUM OF 150 FEET AND WE HAVE ABOUT 3500 FEET. IT WILL HAVE THE STANDARD PIT FENCING FOR SECURITY AND AGAIN, OPERATE EVERY FOR FIVE YEARS.

THERE IS REFERENCE AND THE STAFF REPORTED THE PREVIOUS BORROW PIT APPLICATIONS THAT WERE DENIED.

THE 2020 APPLICATION HAD A CORRESPONDING NON-ZONING VARIANCE FOR ACCESS TO THE SITE VIA WATER PLANT ROAD.

THIS APPLICATION IS NOT PROPOSING ACCESS FROM WATERPARK ROAD. IT IS NEGOTIATED A ROAD USE AGREEMENT AND WILL HAVE ACCESS DIRECTLY TO COUNTY ROAD 214 FOR THE TRAILING YELLOW BIRD THAT RAILROADS ARE MINIMUM OF 700 FEET FROM THE RESIN TO LOT LINES.

THE AGREEMENT LIMITS IT SO THERE IS NO HAULING ON WEEKEND AND LIMITED BASED ON HUNTING SEASON.

THERE ARE ADDITIONAL SAFETY AND MAINTENANCE COMMISSIONS FOR USING THAT RAILROADS. THE PIT WILL ONLY BE OPERATING UNDER DAYLIGHT HOURS WHEN RESIDENTS ARE AT WORK.

THERE IS ALSO NO NEARBY SCHOOLS OR CHURCHES.

ENVIRONMENTALLY, THERE IS NO NEARBY DUMPSITE OR LANDFILL AND IT IS NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND.

THERE IS NO KNOWN PITS OPERATING WITHIN 1 MILE.

THE 2018 SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE COUNTY MONITORING SITE WITHIN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMEN . SINCE THEN, THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH THE COUNTY TO RELOCATE THE WILL OF THE PROPOSED BOWMAN AREA. OPERATIONS ARE OUTSIDE OF THE PRIMARY ZONE. UPDATED GOAL FOR CURTIS TAURUS SURVEY - - APPLICANT HAS ALREADY RECEIVED TENTATIVE APPROVAL FOR ON-SITE RELOCATION OF THE TWO BOROUGHS LOCATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA. NO WETLANDS ARE PROPOSED TO BE IMPACTED AND THE PLAN SHOWS THE REQUIRED BUFFER AND SETBACKS.

THERE WILL BE A 26 FOOT WIDE DITCH AND 25 FOOT STABILIZED ROADWAY TO CONTAIN DEVELOPMENT. GUARDING GROUNDWATER, THE WETLAND - - COUNTY STAFF AND THE ANALYSIS SHOWED THE DRAWDOWN ACTIVITIES WOULD NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON SURROUNDING WETLANDS. LETTERS FROM RESIDENTS EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT TRUCK TRAFFIC IN VERMONT BOULEVARD TO THESOUTH . CURRENTLY, THE PROPOSED HAUL ROUTES: NORTHWEST AND NORTHEAST.

SO EITHER NORTH TO COUNTY ROAD 13 A NORTH WERE THERE SEVERAL SITES NORTH OF COUNTY ROAD 208 OR ACROSS I-95.

THERE IS IMMEDIATE DEMAND FOR THE RED WAVE PROJECT JUST SORT OF - -. THEY WOULD HAVE 10 TRUCKS OPERATING FOR AN AVERAGE OF 50 ROUND TRACH VEHICLE RUNS A DAY AND ALL OF THE NEARBY ROADS UNDER CAPACITY. THE PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS WERE DENIED SPECIFICALLY DUE TO THE COUNTY'S ON-SITE MONITORING LA . THAT IS HAS BEEN RELOCATED.

IT WAS THE NIGHT WENT ACCESS TO THE PIT WAS PROPOSED FROM WATERPARK ROAD HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THIS PROPOSAL.OVERALL, THE BORROW PIT APPLICATION MEET OR EXCEED THE CODE REQUIREMENT, IT'S A VERY LARGE PARCEL IN A SPARSELY DEVELOPED RURAL AREA WITH A LIMITED PIT SIZE AND OPERATION GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL. IT'S DISTANCE FROM PRIVATE

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THIS IS A RURAL AREA WITH 11 OTHER BORROW PITS.

THE GOPHERS AND WETLANDS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AND THERE ARE NO IMPACTS PROPOSED. I AM HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS. >> CHAIR: ALRIGHT, TEAM MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

RICHARD? >> I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND I WILL HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS IS A LOT BETTER THAN WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO THIS BOARD IN 2021. I WAS DEFINITELY DID NOT LIKE THE WATER PLANT ROAD ACCESS BECAUSE OF SCHOOL BUSES AND CHILDREN. I ALSO HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE WELL FIELD WHERE THE BORROW PIT IS LOCATED.

LET ME ASK THIS, I DID GO OUT THERE IN 2021 AND DID GO OUT THERE RECENTLY FOR THE CHIEF PROJECT, BUT I DON'T RECALL SEEING ANY SCHOOL BUSES STOPPED ON COUNTY ROAD 214.

TWO SCHOOL BUSES ACTUALLY STOP ON 214 AND THAT CHILDREN OUT ON

THE MAIN ROAD? >> I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY.

>> BUT, THEY COULD? >> I DON'T KNOW.

>> ALRIGHT. I WISH WE KNEW.

>> I THINK THE LAST APPLICATIONS THAT THEY DROVE DOWN WATER POINT ROAD, BUT I WOULD AT THE CHECK.

>> ANOTHER LIKE CHILDREN OFFERING ON 214 WHERE WATER PLANT ROAD INTERSECTED AND THEN THEY WALKED UP AS MUCH AS A MILD THE HOUSES. THAT IS WHAT REALLY CONCERNS ME WITH 100 ON TRUCKS A DAY COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE.

THE 9700 DUMP TRUCKS, THEY WOULD BE TEND BUT AROUND THREE UP AND IT'S 100 TRIPS PER DAY. IN THE APPLICATION IT SAYS, YOU CAN DO A MAXIMUM OF 200 TOTAL TRIPS, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THE AVERAGE WOULD BE 50 ROUNDTRIPS AND THE MAXIMUM IS

100 ROUNDTRIPS. >> SO DOUBLE WHAT YOU HAD STATED A MOMENT AGO? OKAY.

SO, WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT MONITORING WELL BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT WAS ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF YOUR BORROW PIT? HE RELOCATED THAT ONE?

>> YES, IT WAS MOVED. IT WAS THE ONE BUILT INTO THE CENTER OF THEPARCEL TO THE WEST .

>> RIGHT. IT WAS MOVED WHERE?

>> IT WAS ORIGINALLY AT THE TOP CORNER OF THE BORROW PIT AND

WAS MOVED TO THE WEST. >> IF YOU ARE USING A POINTER, I CANNOT SEE US. MOST OF THOSE I COULD SEE HIM THERE ARE MONITORING WELLS. OUR THEN THE ACTUAL WELLS THAT DELIVER MUNICIPAL WATER? OR - -

>> THEY ARE ALL LABELED AS MONITORING WELLS.

>> THIS IS NOT REGARDING MUNICIPAL WATER SUPPLY?

>> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. >> IS THERE ANYONE WHO FROM THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT THEY COULD OR THE COUNTY STAFF, OR SOMEBODY ELSE? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS IS A WELL FIELD THAT SUPPLIES MUNICIPAL WATER.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, I AMTERRY SHOEMAKER .

WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING THROUGH ALL THE DOCUMENTS AND OUR STAFF IS AND HAVE OBJECTIONS IN THE PRIMARY ZONE AND SECONDARY ZON . THE PRIMARY ZONE IS 200 FEET AND WE HAVE 200 ANYWAY THE SECONDARY ZONE IS 1000 FEET, BORROW PITS ARE NOT PROHIBITED .

WITH THE DEPTH OF WHAT IT IS AND WILL BE A DRAWING WATER FROM, IT IS NOT AN ISSUE AT ALL.

WE ARE PRETTY MUCH EXPANDING THE NORTHWEST WELL FIELD, NOT THIS ONE. WE WILL BE BUILDING MORE WELLS

HERE. >> I AM GLAD YOU ARE HERE, CAN I ASK YOU A FEW MORE QUESTIONS? THIS IS AN ACTUAL WELL FIELD?

>> THE WELL FIELD IS NEARBY. THE MONITORING WELLS AND NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH TREASURE. WE HAVE DIFFERENT SITES

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>> THE OUR PRODUCTION WELLS ON THE SITE?

>> NOT EXACTLY WERE THE PIT IS BY NEARBY.

>> WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY?

>> THERE'S BASED 1600 FEET APART IN THE PRIMARY ZONE OR

SECONDARY ZONE. >> HOW DEEP ARE THE WELLS?

>> THIS TR 48, HAVE A DIAGRAM IN HERE, THE LAYER WE DRAW FROM THE HALTER ON LAKE WITH 240 IN THE BORROW PIT WAS 43.

>> 17 FEET BELOW THE CONFINING LAYER? THE WELLS ARE INTO THE FLOOR? THEY ARE? THAT TYPICALLY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS NOT REALLY GOOD

QUALITY WATER? >> NO, THAT IS WHY WE ARE FOCUSING ON THE NORTHWEST QUALITY.

IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH DEVELOPMENT ORANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT'S JUST GEOLOGY .WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE OUR EXISTING WELLS, BUT WE ARE TRANSFERRING A LOT OF THE WATER SUPPLY FROM

THE NORTHWEST. >> WHERE'S THE NORTHWEST? OKAY. ALL THE INFO STRUCTURE IS THER

? >> WE HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRING DOWN WITH A MAJOR PIPELINE AS WELL.

>> HOW LONG DO YOU EXPECT THIS WILL FIELD TO BE ACTIVE?>> I THINK YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE ACTIVE.BECAUSE OF THE LOWER WHILE HER QUALITY WE HAVE JUSTIN LENDING WITH THE NORTHWEST WATER DO NOT PUMP AS MUCH.

IF YOU AVE MORE WELLS PUMPING LESS, YOU CAN DRAW DOWN AND GET

THE UPCOMING OF THE SALTWATER. >> SO, THERE ARE NO WELLS INTO

THE OFFICIAL AQUIFER HERE? >> NO.

THEY ARE NOT AT THE OTHER WELLFIELDS.

I HAVE NOT RESEARCHED BORROW PITS VERY MUCH, BUT THEY SAID THIS COULD ACTUALLY EVEN HELP WITH THE PENETRATION OF THE WATER. IT IS NOT DRAINING THE LAND, IT WOULD NOT HURT EITHER WITH THE WATER SUPPLY IN THE AREA.

>> IT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP THE WATER SUPPLY?

>> IT WON'T HURT, IT IS NOT A STORMWATER FACILITY WHICH WOULD

PROHIBIT IT. >> WHAT ARE SOME SORT OF CONTAINMENT GOT INTO IT LIKE DIESEL FUEL, GASOLINE OR OIL? WOULDN'T THAT PENETRATE TO THE GROUNDWATER FASTER IF THERE WAS AN OPEN BORROW PIT RATHER THAN HAVING TO PERCOLATE THROUGH 50 FEET OF OVERBURDEN AND FILTER THE KIND OF MATERIAL OUT?

>> I DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE ON ALLTHE DIFFERENT USES THAT COULD HAPPEN WITH . MAYBE THE GROUP CAN ANSWER ALL OF THAT, I AM NOT A GEOLOGIST. THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED IN 1000 FEET, THAT IS WHERE WE ARE STANDING.

WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE STANDARDS.

>> THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I THINK OF ANSWER ALL OF THOSE.

I DO HAVE SOME FOR THE APPLICANT, HOWEVER.

WE DID A LOT OF PREVIOUS WORK WITH RAINIER, SO I KNEW A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE STAFF AND THE ARE RETIRED BY NOW.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS. I AM REALLY GLAD YOU'RE NOT GOING DOWN WATER PLANT ROAD ON THIS AND YOU ARE GOING THROUGH THAT ALTERNATE ROUTE THROUGH THE WATERHOUSE PROPERTY.

DID YOU PUT THAT MAP UP? THE ROW IN YELLOW THERE HAULING IT OUT, LET'S SAY IT WAS 200 TRUCKS A DAY.

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THE NOISE OR DUST, THOSE ARE TWO THINGS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR. I THINK THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF NOISE AND DUST HER BY THIS PARTICULAR RESIDENCE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.

>> THE CLOSEST DISTANCE IS STILL 700 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THAT IS JUST RIGHT HERE, MOST OF IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY FARTHER. THIS IS STILL 700 FEET AWAY.

>> THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE, I SEE SOME WETLANDS IN THERE TOO. SO, WHEN THE TRAFFIC, LET'S SAY YOU HAD 2 INCHES OF RAIN, I HAVE BEEN ON A LOTOF DIRT ROADS IN MY LIFE . LUCKILY THE OTHER DAY, A FEW DAYS AGO WE HAD A COUPLE INCHES OF RAIN IN MY HOUSE, THAT ROAD WOULD BE PRETTY MUDDY. WHAT SORT OF MAINTENANCE ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE FOR THAT ROAD TO ENSURE THAT THE TRUCKS COMING OUT ON THE 214 AND I CARING A BUNCH OF MUD AND DEPOSITING IT UP AND DOWN TO 14, WHICH COULD BE A TRAFFIC

HAZARD WITH 214 TRUCKS PER DAY. >> THE ROAD USE AGREEMENT INCLUDING THE APPLICATION OF CERTAIN MAINTENANCE TO KEEP THE TRAIL ROADS AND JUST AS GOOD OR BETTER CONDITION AND MAINTAINING WHERE THOSE INTERSECTS WITH COUNTY ROAD 214

KEEPING A CLEAR. >> OKAY, ALRIGHT.

SO, I KNOW THIS IS A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ANY CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENTS IN THE COUNTY, SO THERE HAS TO BE NO MONEY PAID, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THISIS NOT FOR YOU, I WILL DIRECT US TO STAFF , I STILL LIKE TO SEE THE MAPS OF IMPACTED, CRITICAL AND EFFICIENT ROAD SEGMENT, EVEN FOR COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY WILL BE PAYING ANY MONEY TOWARDS THOSE.

IT WILL BE NICE TO SEE THOSE BECAUSE YOUR WHOLE ROUTE WITH THE PERCENTAGES, YOU ARE STILL GOING TO GO TO HOLMES BOULEVARD WHICH IS A DEFICIENT ROAD RIGHT THERE.

I KNOW THERE ARE UPGRADES TO IT RIGHT NOW THE LAST TIME I WAS ON THERE BUT YOU WILL STILL BE TAKING TRUCKS, POTENTIALLY 200 PER DAY, OR LESS, YOU HAVE 65% I THINK? YOU WERE GOING TO BE IMPACTING AND EFFICIENT ROAD SEGMENT BUT NOT PROVIDING ANY FUNDS TO AUGMENT, UPGRADE, ENHANCE OR

MAINTAIN THAT ROAD. >> THE HOMES REALLY PROJECT IS NOT ONE OF THE SITES LOOKING TO DELIVER THE FILL.

>> YOU DID SAY THAT, THAT WAS THE ROADBUILDING CONTRACT UNDERWAY? OKAY.

THAT IS IT FOR NOW, I APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR: DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AND A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

THE USE AGREEMENT IS FOR THE ROAD USE AGREEMENT IN OCTOBER 2022. I ASSUME THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THE LOOK AT THE ROAD USE AGREEMENT EXTENDED WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD NOT BE VALID.

>> YES. >> CHAIR: FOR STAFF, BECAUSE WE GOT A LETTER FROM THE COLONEL, THIS 200 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY, HOW DOES THAT STACK UP? DO YOU EVER HAVE ANY VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY WOULD BE GENERATED BY THE INDUSTRIAL SITE TO THE EAST? AS I RECALL, IT WAS 900,000

FT.B2 MAYBE. >> WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM

TRANSPORTATION COMING UP. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, - -, GROWTH

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>> CHAIR: I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT FOR THE RECORD.

>> I WILL GET SOMEONE TO PULL THAT UP.

>> WE WILL GO AHEAD AND START PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> MORE OR LESS THE STAFF ISSUE, HOW WAS ENFORCEMENT GOING TO TAKE PLACE? THEY SAY THEY ARE NOT GOING TO USE IT BUT I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING, WITH AN ENFORCEMENT

ISSUE? >> IT IS IN THE ORDER, THERE IS A CONDITION IN THE ORDER THAT THEY CANNOT USE - - ROAD.

IF THEY ARE USING IT AND WE GET A CONCERN THAT IS EXPRESSED, WE WILL HAVE TO GO OUT AND SPEND IT TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON.

IT COULD BE POSTED IN SOME WAY, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT IF THEY WANT TO PROVIDE FOR SOME POSTING.

THE CONCERN I HAVE, ONLY START SAYING WE POST IT AND TRUCKS CANNOT USE WATER PLANT ROAD, IT IS THESE BORROW PIT TRUCKS, NOT EVERY TRUCK THAT CAN'T USE THEM.

THAT IS USUALLY A CONCERN THAT COMES UP.

>> BUT THEY WOULD BE TICKETED? >> THEY COULD BECOME A YES OR.

>> OR WE COULD ASK FOR CONDITION THAT REQUIRES - -

PROPERTY. >> THE CHIEF APPLICATIONS APPROXIMATELY 2300 DAILY TRIPS AND 200 PEAK OUR TRIPS.

>> FOR THIS APPLICATION IS LESS THAN 10% DAILY TRIPS?

>> YES. >> CHAIR: OKAY, ANY THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> WE DO, THE FIRST ONE IS MIKE CARRIGAN.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD WHEN YOU

COME UP, THANKS. >> SPEAKER: (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). I LIVE OUT THERE ALMOST 20 YEARS. THE FIRST TIME THEY DID THE FIRST PIT, WE HAD DUMP TRUCKS IN AND OUT OF THEIR.

THERE WAS SPEEDING, WE HAVE KIDS THAT WALK TO THE BUS STOP AT 214 AND THEY GET OFF AT 214 TO WALK HOME IN THE AFTERNOON.

PLUS, WE DON'T NEED THEM TO COME DOWN OUR ROAD BECAUSE IT IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH. WHEN YOU HAVE TWO TRUCKS AND ONE GOING INTO MY ONE GOING OUT, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ROOM.

IT WILL HIT MAILBOXES. I WENT AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ANDGET PEOPLE TO SIGN A PETITION .

I EVEN WENT ON RYAN ROAD TO GET THEM TO SIGN, TRIED TO HAVE THIS STOPPED. WE DON'T NEED THEM TO COME DOWN. A COUPLE OF TIMES, I HAD TO CALL THE LAW ON THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE SPEEDING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD. THAT IS MY OPINION.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> NEXT, WE HAVE THOMAS TURNER,

ARE YOU FINISHED? >> I AM DONE.

>> THANK YOU. >> I ORIGINALLY DID NOT HAVE

ANYTHING TO DISPLAY. >> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE, SIR.> SPEAKER: (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). I LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY OF VERMONT HEIGHTS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN THERE, BUT THOSE ARE THE WALL SITES THAT WERE PROVIDED TO THE I KNOW YOU ALREADY MY LETTER ON MY CONCERNS OVER - - ALREADY RECEIVED. THERE IS THIS ISSUE OF WHO WAS

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214 IS NOT HAVE ACCESS TO 95 WHICH IS THE SAME PROBLEM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT THEY CANNOT AVOID IT, I AM JUST SAYING WHO WAS GOING TO STOP THEM? WE ARE ALREADY HAVING A LOT OF COMMERCIAL TRUCKS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE COUNTY THAT ARE GOING UP AND DOWN VERMONT HEIGHTS. WITH REGARD TO THE GROUNDWATER QUALITY, THERE ARE NUMEROUS STUDIES AND PROFESSIONAL PAPERS AVAILABLE THERE ONE OF WHICH I BROUGHT AND WILL HAND OVER, ABOUT THE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THE DRAINAGE WATER TABLE.

SELECTED HEAVY METALS, PACKAGES AND OTHER MICROBIAL CONTAMINANTS BASED UPON THEIR HEALTH AND NEXT ARE KNOWN TO ADVERSELY AFFECT GROUNDWATER. OUR 2005 STUDY THAT ASSESSED THE VULNERABILITY OF MUNICIPAL WELLS TO CONTAMINATION OF THE AQUIFER IN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY CONCLUDED THAT NUMBER ONE, EXISTING GROUNDWATER FLOW AND PARTICLE TRACKING MODELS DO NOT PROVIDE ADEQUATE INFORMATION REGARDING THE ABILITY OF AN AQUIFER TO LIMIT THE MOVEMENT OF PATHOGENS AND OTHER CONTAMINANTS. AND TWO, IT WILL REQUIRE USE OF ENHANCED DISINFECTION TREATMENT, SOME OF WHICH WE ARE USING IN THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THE POOR WATER QUALITY.

TO REMOVE PATHOGENS, OF WHICH ADDS MORE COST TO THE COUNTY.

THEREFORE, MOST LENDERS WILL ARGUE ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION WHEN DESIGNATING, PERMITTING EXISTING PROTECTING WELLS DUE TO THE RISK AND ADDED WATER QUALITY COSTS.

WITH THAT IN MIND, NONE OF THE RESPECTIVE APPROVED COUNTY LOCATIONS IN FLORIDA THAT WERE AVAILABLE FOR ME TO RESEARCH WHEN YOU'RE PROTECTED WELLS, NOR AREAS OF FUTURE ECONOMIC OR INDUSTRIAL GROWTH, SUPPORTING HIS WELL-DOCUMENTED FACT.

LASTLY, THIS PERMIT IS NOT SMART, DONATED BY THE COUNTY ITSELF. MOST OF THE RESIDENTS OF VERMONT HEIGHTS WILL TELL YOU THAT WE SUPPORT WHAT THE COUNTY IS TRYING TO DO. WE ENTERTAIN THE TRAFFIC THAT EXISTS, AND WE ONLY WILL COMPLAIN WHEN IT STARTS TO GET TOO EXCESSIVE. WHEN WE START ADDING UNNECESSARY TRAFFIC TO OUR ROADS, - - SHOULD BE DENIED

ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PAPERS ARE CORRECT.RIGHT NOW, 16.2 ACRES ON A NUMBER OF OTHER PAGES, IT IS SHOWING 22.52+ OR MINUS.

5 ACRES IS A BIG PLUS OR MINUS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS NO MORE THAN THE 16 ACRES. I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT YOU HAVE ONE BOROUGH PUT IN THERE RIGHT NOW, ON ANOTHER ONE IS GOING IN THERE. WHAT IS HE GOING TO DO TO THE WELLS IN THIS AREA THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ARE USING RIGHT NOW? THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING 50 FEET DOWN, THAT WILL DEFINITELY AFFECT THEIR WELL SYSTEM. TALKING WITH THE CHIEF PROJECT I WAS AND I WHICH IS HERE WHICH IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE AREA.

IT WAS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.

THE BORROW PIT WILL BE IN THIS AREA.

TRAFFIC WISE, 250 TRUCKS TO 500 TRUCKS PER WEEK THAT A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON 214. 214 CANNOT HANDLE IT NOW.

IT'S A TWO LANE ROAD WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO TO THE DAMAGE ON 214: AGAIN, 214 CANNOT HANDLE THE KIND OF TRAFFIC.

ANOTHER REASON THAT CHIEF PROJECT WAS DENIED.

THEY WILL PICK UP IN THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC - - 4 MILE ROAD WHICH IS THE NARROW ROAD THAT 214.

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DENY THIS PROJECT, THANK YOU. >> NEXT IS JOE - -.

>> SPEAKER: (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS).

I ABSOLUTELY RESPECT EVERYTHING THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAD SET UP PHERE AND THERE CONCERNS.MY BOTTOM LINE IS GOING TO BE I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT BUT WITH CONDITIONS.

I REACHED THAT CONCLUSION THE FOLLOWING WAY .

FIRST OF ALL, FOR BACKGROUND REVIEWS FROM OUR OWN ANNUAL REPORT IS A GOOD PLACE TO START.

AND THAT, IT DOES SAY THAT WE ASK THAT OUR CUSTOMERS HELP US PROTECT WATER SOURCES WHICH ARE THE HEART OF OUR COMMUNITY, OUR WAY OF LIFE AND OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE.

JUST TO REINFORCE THAT, HELP US PROTECT OUR WATER SOURCES, WHICH AT THE HEART OF OUR COMMUNITY .

OTHER COUNTIES ARE EXPERIENCING SIMILAR SITUATIONS.HERE'S A PICTURE FROM SANTA ROSA COUNTY, THE WATER IS AT RISK.

GROWING AREA WHILE PROTECTING WELLFIELD IS NO EASY TASK.

IN SANTA ROSA COUNTY, THEY CONVENED A PUBLIC WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS WELLFIELD PROTECTIONS AND BORROW PIT MINING.

BY CONTRAST, OUR UTILITY DEPARTMENT SAID NOT ONCE, NOT TWICE, BUT THREE TIMES, NO COMMENTS OR OBJECTIONS AT THIS TIME. I WAS PREPARED TO COME HERE TO SAY DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION? I DID YESTERDAY HAVE AN EXCELLENT CONVERSATION WITH OUR UTILITY DIRECTOR.

HERE IS DIRECTOR - - BULLET POINT.

DEPTHS OF THE PIT ARE NOT NEAR THE AQUIFER, OUR LONG-TERM PLANS DO NOT INCLUDE ADDITIONAL WELLS TO REPORT QUALITY OF THE WELLS AND THE HIGH COST TO TREAT THAT SPECIFIC WATER SOURCE. FINALLY, HE CONCLUDES, HE DOES NOT THINK THE PROJECT WILL IMPACT UTILITY OPERATIONS.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT NONE OF THAT WAS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT. HOW ABOUT THE HAUL ROUTES? THEY WILL BE 214 802 14 W., THE APPLICANT DOES NOT SAY ALLEN EAST ROAD, THE GRAPH UP THERE DOES NOTINCLUDE ALLEN EAST ROAD . I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT THEREFORE ANY APPROVAL SHOULD ADD AS A CONDITION TRUCKS TO AND FROM THE BORROW SITE SHALL NOT USE - - ROAD.

FURTHERMORE, IF THAT CONDITION TO RESTRICT THATTRAFFIC CANNOT BE ADDED , THEN THIS APPLICATION SHOULD BE DOOMED.

WITH THAT, I SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THAT IS IT ON THE SPEAKER CARDS.

>> CHAIR: WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO OFFER SOME REBUTTAL?

>> FIRST OFF, THERE IS NO ACCESS FEE OF WATER PLANT ROAD.

THE ENTRANCE OVER THERE IS GATED, NOT JUST OPEN THE TRUCK TO GO WHENEVER THEY WANT. THE PRELIMINARY ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT DID HAVE LARGER ACREAGE FOR THE BORROW PIT, BUT ITIS DEFINITELY 16 ACRES . ABOUT THE WELLS, OBVIOUSLY THE AIRPORT WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT THIS SINCE 2018, SO IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THE COUNTY IS NOT EXPRESSED ANY CONCERN ABOUT IT.

I WOULD TRUST HER JUDGMENT. THERE ARE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS NEARBY LIKE HOLMES ROAD THAT WILL IMPROVE TRAFFIC AND THE DIRT AND THAT PROJECT WILL COME FROM SOMEWHERE.

THIS SITE IS CLOSE BY AND YOU ONLY HAVE TO GO DOWN COUNTY ROAD 214 AND THE COMMITTED PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC IS 350 AND 850 FOR

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BUT, THEY ARE AGREEABLE OF ADDING THE CONDITION NOT TAKE

THE ROAD TO THE FINAL ORDER. >> ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS?

>> BESIDES THE COUNTY'S PERMIT, WHAT TYPE OF STATE PERMITS ARE

YOU REQUIRING? >> THE WATER MANAGEMENT

DISTRICT. >> THAT IS IT? JUST WATER MANAGEMENT? OKAY.

>> RICHARD? >> COULD YOU PUT THE GRAPHIC BACK UP THERE? WITH THOSE YELLOW HAUL ROUTES.

I AM STILL CONCERNED ABOUT SCHOOL BUS IS COMING DOWN TO 14, DROPPING CHILDRENOFF , THEN WALKING UP WHATEVER THAT ROAD IS TO THE WEST. MOST OF YOUR TRAFFIC IS GOING EAST ON 214. YOU WILL HAVE SCHOOL BUSES STOPPING RIGHT THERE IN THAT ROLE WHEN IT COMES OUT TO 214.

JACK AND MAX. THE CHILDREN WILL WALK NORTH, EITHER OF ANY WALK SOUTHOR NOT .

THAT GENTLEMEN, AS MR. CORGAN SAID, THAT ROAD IS SO NARROW WHEN TWO TRUCKS COME DOWN AT THE SAME TIME, THEY KNOCK MAILBOXES OVER. I DOUBT THAT RAILROADS - - ACCESS ROADS THROUGH YOU WILL HAVE 200 TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT OF THEIR. WHAT ARE THE CONTINGENCY PLANS FOR THAT? WILL THEY GO ON ONE WAY OUT AND ONE WAY IN? THERE IS A LOOP THERE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER. I AM JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN COMING IN AND OUT. TRYING TO PASS EACH OTHER ON A

TRAIL ROAD. >> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT

OPERATION, THE TRUCKS. >> SPEAKER: (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS) REPRESENTING RAINIER. WE HAVE ACTUALLY ALREADY GONE AND STARTED ON THEIMPROVEMENTS .

AS PART OF THE ROAD AGREEMENT, PART OF THE PASSING ISSUE IS PUTTING TURNOUTS FOR OUR TRUCK WILL BE ABLE TO - - ROAD USE AGREEMENT REQUIRES USE TO OPERATE SAFELY IN TERMS OF THE ENTRYWAY, IT IS WIDE ENOUGH TO PULL TWO TRUCKS AND WE WILL HAVE A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE THERE.

THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL DUMP TRUCK DRIVERS WITH CDL.

WE HOPE THAT IS A PART OF THE TRAINING.

>> YOU SEEM PRETTY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE OPERATIONS OUT THERE. LET ME ASK YOU THIS, IS THIS GOING TO BE A FLOATING BRIDGE OUT THERE DURING THE

EXCAVATION? >> IS NOT.

>> SO IT WILL BE JUST ON THE SIDE? MINIMIZING THE POTENTIAL FOR MEASLES BILLS AND SO FORTH?

>> THERE IS AN AREA IN THE PLANS THAT WOULD BE IN THE PIT CAN ON THE CONTAMINANTS ARE VERY LIMITED.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY, ALRIGHT I APPRECIATE IT,

THANK YOU ALL. >> CHAIR: DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ASK OF THE APPLICANT?

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HENRY: >> HOW WOULD WE ADD THIS FOR COUNCIL? I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD TELL THEM NO, HOW COULD WE LIMIT THE ROAD IN THE MOTION?

ANY WORDING WE COULD USE? >> IT'S A CONDITION AND WE AVE A MAP OF THE WHOLE ROUTES ALREADY.

WE HAVE ADDED THAT CONDITION, IT COULD BE THAT SIMPLE.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT WITH THE WORDING THAT YOU JUST PUT IN. ALSO, I THINK THE APPLICANT SAID WATER PLANT ROAD, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY?

>> ALSO, MAINTAIN THE GATE. >> MAKE THE IT TO AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION? I SHOULD BE FINE.

>> OKAY, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SCU P.M. AJAY 2022 Ã

[2. ZVAR 2022-33 669 Delespine Ave]

FINDINGS IS PROVIDED BY STAFF. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR

APPROVAL, IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> SECOND BY JACK, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING ON, LET'S REGISTER THE BOAT.

ALRIGHT, THAT MOTION PASSES THROUGH THE STUPID WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO ONOUR AGENDA .

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO? HEARING NONE.

>> HI, LARRY HERLTH AND KEIRA. >> WE ARE REQUESTING A REDUCED 2ND YARD SETBACK OF 8 FEET FROM THE FARM REQUIRED 20 FOOT REQUIREMENT. THE REASON BEING IS THE PROPERTY THAT WE PURCHASED HAS RUNNING BESIDE IT AND UNDEVELOPED ROAD, FOURTH STREET.

WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WOULD NEVER BE UNDEVELOPED.

WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE THE BE CONSIDERED A SIDE SETBACK.

THAT IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. I HAVE AN OVERHEAD TO SHOW, A DRAWING. [INAUDIBLE].

>> MA'AM, COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE?

>> I AM SORRY, THIS IS THE UNDEVELOPED PORTION OF THE ROA . NORTH FOURTH STREET DOES EXIST AND NOWHERE NEAR OUR PROPERTY. THE REASON WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE X ZONE.

WE WANTED IT TO BE GROUND-LEVEL AND WITHOUT HAVING THIS REDUCED TO AN 8 FOOT SETBACK, WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD UP TO BUILD EVERYTHING THAT WE WANTED. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR GOLDEN YEARS AND NOT HAVING STAIRS.

>> PRIMARILY COST AS WELL TO BUILD A TWO-STORY VERSUS

GROUND-LEVEL. >> DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR

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>> I THINK SO, WE ARE NOT VERY PROFESSIONAL AT THIS, BUT THAT

IS THE MEAT OF THE ARGUMENT. >> OKAY, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE

AND GIVE YOU EVERY OPPORTUNITY. >> YES, THAT IS A PRESENTATION.

>> RICHARD? >> ONE QUESTION ON THIS PORTION OF FOURTH STREET THAT WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED.

HAVE YOU ASKED THE COUNTY FORMALLY TO VACATE THAT?

>> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, NO. >> I THINK THIS IS CORRECT, BUT THAT DOES GET VACATED, CAN I GO TO THE COUNTY AND ASK FOR THAT TO BE TRANSFERRED INTO THEIR OWNERSHIP?

>> IF THE ROAD IS INDEED VACATED, HALF OF THE PROPERTY OR HALF OF THE ROAD WE GO TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON EACH SIDE, THAT IS HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

>> YOU MIKE AT THE COUNTY TO FORMALLY VACATE AND IT MIGHT RAISE YOUR TAXES A LITTLE BIT. OKAY, THANKS.

>> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I HAVE ONE. YOU SEE THAT STRUCTURE ON THE AERIAL THERE? IT IS TO THE LEFT OF THE T AND THE WORD STREET? THAT BUILDING?

>> YES. >> IT IS A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES OVER TO NORTH FOURTH STREET. I ASSUME THOSE FOLKS COME FROM

THESOUTH ? >> THEY ARE BEHIND US.

>> IS NORTH FOURTH STREET EVEN PASSABLE?

>> NO. >> ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> ZERO. >> THEM YOURBACK AT THE AGENCY FOR EMOTION . HENRY CAN YOU ARE FIRST.

>> JACK CAN TAKE IT IF HE WANTS IT.

>> I FEEL LIKE IT'S A TRUE HARDSHIP, I HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE ZVAR 2022 Ã33 669 DELESPINE AVENUE

[3. ZVAR 2023-03 Tillman AFU]

>> MOTION BY HENRY, SECOND BEST JACK.

ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE BOAT.

THAT MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

WILL BEGAN TO ITEM NUMBER THRE , YOU ARE WELCOME AND GOOD LUCK. MR. TILLMAN, DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN EXPERT TAKE MEDICATION TO DECLARE TO ITEM NUMBER THREE?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. ARE WE READY?

>> HAD ADDED, SIR. >> WE ARE REQUESTING A ZONING VARIANCE FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY COUNTY UNIT TO EXCEED 35% OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE MAINSTRUCTURE . THE PROPOSED NEW STRUCTURE IS WORKING HUNDRED SQUARE FEET AND UTILIZE THE MAIN RESIDENCE OF THE EXISTING 864 FT.B2 WHICH IS A MOBILE HOME, WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE AFU. ALL STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY WOULD BE SETBACK FOR LOT SCHEDULE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE

DISTRICT. >> CAN ASK YOU TO STATE YOUR

NAME AND ADDRESS? >> OH, I'M SORRY.

(STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP THAT SHOWS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE OF THE ACTUAL, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THE POINTER, BUT IT WILL BE IN THE MIDDLE.

IT JUST HAS A ZONING MAP HERE. THIS IS A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE STRUCTURE WILL BE, THOSE TWOBOXES, LITTLE GARAGE .

BOTH WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

THERE ARE TREES IN FRONT THAT SHADE EVERYTHING.

THE LOT IS 6 ACRES, SO HOUSE THAT SIZE MUST EASILY BE ABLE

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WE HAVE HAD OVER - - HE IS AUTISTIC.

WE HAVE HELPED OVER 300 INDIVIDUALS GET JOB AND LIFE SKILLS THROUGH THAT. WE HAVE DONATED OVER $85,000 TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY PROGRAMS. THERE IS MY MOM AND THESE ARE THE REASONS, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS 1400 FT.B2.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO OURS, WE HAVE MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITES FOR ELDERLY PARENTS.

THERE WON'T BE ANY TRAFFIC INCREASED BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURE. IT IS BARELY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. JUST NORTH OF IT YOU CAN SEE THE BAR UP IT WAS JUST APPROVED SO I COULD DO SOME WORK OUT THERE AS WELL. PWE HAVE SIGNATURES FROM NEIGHBORS THAT DON'T OPPOSE THIS.

I HAVE TWO LETTERS HERE IF YOU WANT TO SEE THEM AS WELL.

>> THAT'S FROM OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE RIGHT AND THE SUN IS ACROSS THE STREET. THAT IS MY PROPOSAL, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

SPEAKER CARDS? >> NONE.

>> AND YOU HAVE A MOTION? >> ONE SECOND, IS THIS FOR? SORRY, I TOOK SOME ANTIHISTAMINES BEFORE THE MEETING AND THEY HAVE KNOCKED ME FOR A LOOP, I AM SORRY.

WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR NUMBER FOUR, BUT NOT FOR THIS ONE.

>> ANY MINIMAL MOTION? >> MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2023 Ã03 TILLMAN AFU BASED ON CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED

[4. MINMOD 2022-08 505 E. Surf Spray Lane]

BY THE STAFF REPORT. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> SECOND BY RICHARD.

ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE BOAT.

THANK YOU. THAT MOTION PASSES FIVE ÃZERO, THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

MR. HUNTLEY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR?

ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE. MR. HUNTLEY.>> SPEAKER: (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). I AM HERE TO REPRESENT MICHAEL AND HILARY BONIN FOR A ZONING REQUEST FOR - - ASKING FOR A 6 FOOT SETBACK IN LIEU OF A 10 FOOT REQUIREMENT.

THE FIRST SLIDE HERE SHOWS THE SITE PLAN AND IT TAKES THE SWIMMING POOL IN THE REAR YARD. THE BACKYARD HOUSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS 15 FEET IN THE SMALLEST SECTION AND THEN A LITTLE OVER 19 FEET WHERE THE POOL IS LOCATED.

WE CAN KIND OF SEE IT IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT BACKYARD TO PLACE A POOL. THIS IS A KIND OF A ZOOM IN OF THE ACTUAL POOL ITSELF. THE WIDTH IS A LITTLE OVER 8 FEET AND THE LENGTH IS ABOUT 1 .

IN WORKING WITH THE BONIN'S ARE LOOKING FOR THE BACKYARD, IT'S A SMALL AREA TO WORK WITH. THEY COULD ENJOY IT BUT IT IS STILL MODEST ENOUGH TO IMPACT THE REAR NEIGHBOR, THE SIDE NEIGHBOR AND NOT GET CLOSE TO THE STRUCTURE AS WELL.

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IT'S NOT REALLY A POOL THEY COULD ENJOY.

OVERALL, THE POOL IS HUNDRED 95 FT.B2 SO AS LITTLE IMPACT AS WE CAN MAKE. AGAIN, POSITION THE POOL IN THE LARGEST PART OF THE YARD TO LEAVE ENOUGH ROOM AT ALL SIDES TO GET INTO IT EASILY. JUST STEPPING BACK ABOUT POOLS, THIS DAY AND AGE, AND AVERAGE POOLS PROBABLY 14 OR 15 FEET DEEP AND 20 TO 30 FEET LONG. IN WORKING WITH THEM TO TRY TO MAKE IT AS BIG AS WE COULD BUT ALSO BEING MINDFUL OF WHAT IS AROUND AND WHAT THE YARD CAN ACCOMMODATE.

I THINK THERE WAS NEIGHBOR SUPPORT FROM THE WEST SIDE OF THE LOT WHERE THOSE POOLS MIGHT BE LOCATED.

I MET WITH MIKE AND HILARY AND HAD OPPOSITION TO IT.

I WILL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS. HOMER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF HIS FAMILY AND WHAT HE'S LOOKING FOR.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, HOW IS EVERYONE DOING? I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME TODAY.

I USUALLY EXPLAIN THE Y, WHY IS THERE A REASON FOR SOMETHING? IT FIRST GOES BACK TO MY WIFE WHO IS 42 YEARS OLD AND HAS SOMETHING CALLED BILATERAL HIP DYSPLASIA.

SHE WAS DIAGNOSED AND TOLD SHE HAS TO HAVE A DOUBLE HIP REPLACEMENT AT THE AGE OF 40. NOW SHE HAS TO DO YOGA SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. SHE CAN'T YOU, DRINK ALCOHOL AND HAS TO BE AS HEALTHY AS POSSIBLE.

THAT WILL BE ON THE FIRST REASONS SO SHE COULD DO A WORKOUT IN A VERY SMALL POOL JUST TO RUN LAPS, SIMPLE AS THAT. BOTH OF MY CHILDREN WERE SEVEN AND NINE ARE SPECIAL NEEDS. WE HAVE AUTISM, OCD, DYSLEXIA AND OF COURSE ADHD COMBINED. WATER IS ONE THING THAT COMES ON OUR CHILDREN WEATHER IS GOING TO THE OCEAN, IT IS WATER IN THE BACK OF OURYARD TO HELP .

GIVING BACK AND HELPING CHILDREN, I COACHED - - VARSITY AND FOOTBALL TEAM. IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH COVID CAN I OPEN MY HOME.ROM MARCH 2020 OVER A YEAR LATER, I HOSTED AN EXERCISE WORKOUT, MADDEN FOOTBALL TOURNAMENTS, I HAD 20 CHILDREN COME TO MY HOUSE EVERY SINGLE DAY SO I CAN ENTERTAIN, HELP AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE PARTIES FOR CHILDREN, EASTER AND THE SCHOOL, BEFORE SCHOOL ANDCHRISTMAS . WE HAVE THE NFL COMBINE EXPERIENCE, IT HELPS MY WIFE SO SHE IS NOT TO DRIVE EVERY SINGLE DAY TO GO TO YOGA, SO SHE COULD SWIM OR WORKOUT IN HER BACKYARD. TELL MY CHILDREN WHO QUALIFY AS SPECIAL NEEDS AND THE REST OF THE CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I HELP ON A DAILY BASIS.

THEY COULD HAVE JOBS AND BE A PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY . IT IS MY JOB AS A FATHER AND A MAN TO DO AS BEST AS I CAN FOR THIS COMMUNITY, THIS AREA I LIVE AND EVERYTHING IN SUPPORT. I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TIME.

>> WHEN I FIRST STARTED READING APPLICATION I WAS ALL IN FAVOR,

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I GET DOWN TO THE END ABOUT FLOODING POSSIBILITY AND WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS IN THERE AND SO FORTH.WHAT IS YOUR ALL'S PLAN TO ALLEVIATE, PREVENT ANY DRAINAGE ON ISSUES IN THE PROPERTY, PARTICULARLY ON THIS PROPERTY?

>> I WILL SPEAK TO THE POOL, MIKE MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.

WE ARE GOING WITH A MODEST POOL, I WOULD ARGUE IT WOULD BE CATCHING WATER, NOT PUSHING WATER ONTO THE NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARD. IT IS NOT GOING TO OVERFLOW, WHEN IT GETS TOO HIGH, IT WILL BE ROUTED TO THE FRONT YARD.

THIS SLOPES FRONT TO BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOTS, SO WE WILL EMPTY IT TO THE FRONT OF THE YARD.

IN THAT RESPECT, WE'RE NOT COVERING ANY MORE.

>> ALSO, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS IS THAT SINCE 2017, WE HAVE NOT HAD FLOODING I READ EVERYTHING AS WELL, IT ISIMPORTANT TO READ EVERY SIDE OF EVERYTHING . I'VE BEEN USING 2017 AND THROUGH EVERY HURRICANE THAT HAS BEEN YOUR MY CHILDREN TEACH ME HOW TO PREPARE FOR A HURRICANE, WE HAVE NEVER HAD FLOODING. I ALSO REMOVED THE FENCE ON THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD DASH IN AN OLD WOODEN FENCE.

WE HAVE NONINVASIVE BAMBOO THAT HELPS ABSORB WATER.

WE HAVE PAVERS ON THE PROPERTY, I'M HAPPY TO ADD MORE GRASS FOR ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED, I AM OPEN TO IT.

>> THAT SOUNDED GOOD. IS IT TRULY YOUR PROPERTY IS 2

FEET ABOVE HIS PROPERTY? >> I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT.

>> CAN THEY ZOOM IN AT ALL? I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SURVEY SUBMITTED WHEN THEY FIRST GOT THE HOUSE.

THE REAR YARD HAS BASICALLY TWO ELEVATION POINTS AND GOING TO THE PROCESS, WE PLANNED IT ALL, THE REQUIREMENTS BY THE CITY AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR ELEVATION POINTS ARE MAINTAINED. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS DIFFERENT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT IS THAT, IF THAT

MAKES SENSE. >> OKAY.

COULD YOU LEAVE THAT UP, SIR? THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR DREW? THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT, THIS IS A DRAINAGE LOTS. FOR THOSE OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW WHAT B DRAINAGES THE CROWN IN THE MIDDLE, SOME GOES TO THE FRONT, SOME GOES TO THE BACK. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY AT THE TOP, IT IS 10.20 IN THE MIDDLE AND 10.40 AT THE BOTTOM, IT WILL BE THE HIGHEST PLAN THE LOT.

ON THE FRONT IT IS - - BACK IT IS NINE AND 8.5.

IT'S ODD, BUT THIS IS AN OLDER SUBDIVISION.

IT IS ODD THERE'S NOT A DRAINAGE USE ON THE BACK OF THE SLOT TO CATCH THIS WATER. TYPICALLY, YOU WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SHED ONTO THE WALL LARGE YARD DASH GOING ON HERE.

IS THAT WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? THERE IS NO DRAINAGE EASEMENT?

>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DRAINAGE SWELL DEDICATED FOR THE BACK OF THIS LOT THAT I SE .

>> IT IS ALSO ZONE X THAT INDICATES THE FLOODING.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT SIR, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.

>> OKAY, THIS IS A SURVEY. IT WOULD SHOW IT ON THE SURVEY

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> WE HAVE ONE, KEVIN VAN DER KOLK.

>> SPEAKER: (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS).

I LIVED DIRECTLY BEHIND WITH THE APPLICANT LIVES.

I SEE THAT YOU WILL HAVE READ MY WRITTEN OBJECTION, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD REASONS FOR THE SETBACKS. ONE OF THEM IS FOR SAFETY AND FOR DRAINAGE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY HAS TO ENDURE ANY FLOODING.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS A DRAINAGE SWELL BACK BEHIND AND IT RUNS EAST INTO A DRAINAGE POND.

THERE ARE ABOUT SIX HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT USE THE DRAINAGE SWELL. RIGHT UP UNTIL 2009 WE WERE GETTING A LOT OF FLOODING. OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST AND I PUT A DRAIN ALL THE WAY EAST INTO THE DRAINAGE POND.

IT'S STILL HAS NOT REALLY STOP THE PROBLEM BUT MAKES IT TOLERABLE TO THE POINT WHERE IT COMES HALFWAY UP THE HOUSE BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT IT WOULD RUN STRAIGHT DOWN TO OUR HOUSE.

ONCE WE PUT THAT POOL AND, WE CAN'T PUT THE HORSE BACK IN THE BARN. I'M HOPING YOU ALL WILL SEE THAT. THE OTHER ISSUE IS FIRST OF ALL, THE APPLICANT'S LIFE DOES DRAIN BACK.

I'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME, 29 YEARS.

I REALLY DO FEEL FOR THE APPLICANT'S FAMILY, I REALLY D . THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AS OUTLINED IN THE GUIDELINES, AND EMOTIONALLY CHARGED DECISION.

IT IS NO SURPRISE THAT THESE LOTS ARE SMALL, WE ALL KNOW KNEW THAT. IT'S NOT REALLY A HARDSHIP.

I THINK THERE'S A VERY BIG RISK TO MY PROPERTY AND THE NEIGHBORS PROPERTIES. I DON'T THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE TOENDURE . IT MOVES A HARDSHIP FROM ONE PLACE TOANOTHER . WE HAVE NOT REALLY CREATED ANY PROBLEMS. I DON'T THINK THIS IS PROPER.

MY WIFE AND I DO OBJECT FOR THE CREATING OF ANY VARIANCE.

I HOPE THAT YOU ALL DENY IT. THANK YOU.

>> CAN ASK HIM A QUESTION? IS IT TRUE THAT YOUR PROPERTY

IS 2 FEET BELOW? >> IT'S ABOUT, IT IS PROBABLY LOWER NOW TO SHOW COMPLETE CANDOR.

BUT WHEN THERE IS RAIN, IT DOES SWELL UP ON OUR SIDE OF THE

PROPERTY. >> IN YOUR LETTER, YOU STATED THAT WAS DUE TO THE LOT BEING LEVEL WITH YOURS?

>> THAT IS NORMAL. YOU WOULDN'T DEVELOP AND STICK THE CROWN HIGHER THAN THE WELL BEHIND YOU.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A 20 FOOT SETBACK AND WE GOT 10 FEET.

IF WE KEEP SHRINKING THIS THING, IT WILL KEEP GETTING

WORSE. >> US SPENT CONSIDERABLE MONEY

TO DO THAT DRAINAGE? >> ALMOST $5000.

>> YOU ARE IN ANOTHER SUBDIVISION?

THE AVERAGE OBJECTION TO THIS? >> THEY DO THEY SHOULD BE A

LETTER FROM - - >> I DON'T RECALL SEEING THAT.

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BLOCKING YOU FROMMY MIND . >> WE WILL HAVE TO THROW OUT ALL OF YOUR VOTES. [LAUGHTER].

I APPRECIATE THAT, THANK YOU. >> SIR, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE FROM THE HOUSE TO THE REAR

PROPERTY LINE? >> IS ABOUT 15 FEET.

WE HAVE A CONCRETE SLAB BEHIND IT.

>> SO YOU HAVE 5 FEET OF GRASS? YOU SAID IT'S 15 FEET AND YOU

HAVE A SLAB THAT IS 10 FEET. >> THIS LAB IS NOT 10 FEET LON

. >> HOW FAR TO THE HOUSE?

>> THIS LAB RUNS RIGHT UP TO THE HOUSE.

>> SO IS 20 FEET BACK TO THE HOUSE AND 10 FEET WHICH IS

COVERED? >> HOW IS YOUR LIFE - - A LOT

OF THE DRAINS TO THE BACK? >> THE FRONT DRAINS TO THE FRONT AND THE BACK DRAINS TOTHE BACK .

>> WHICH SUBDIVISION WAS DEVELOPED FIRST?

>> HOURS. >> THE QUESTION I TEMPORARILY FORGOTTEN WAS HERE ARE THREE PHOTOS YOU HAD IN THEIR OFFER 2009. SINCE THAT TIME, YOU WOULD PUT IN THAT DRAINAGE SYSTEM TO RUN WATER TO THE EAST OF THAT.

YOU INDICATED THAT HAD ALLEVIATED THE PROBLEM TO A

LARGE EXTENT. >> MADE IT TOLERABLE TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAD HEAVY RAINS THAT, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

I'M AFRAID IF HE GETS BLOCKED ANYMORE, WE WILL HAVE MORE.

>> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.

IF YOU STAND OUT EITHER OF YOUR REAR CORNERS, IS THERE ANY ELEVATION ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE IS OFFENSE THEY RIGHT?

>> YES. >> IS THERE ANY ELEVATION THAT IS LOWER RIGHT NOW AND WHERE YOUR FEET ARE WHEN YOU STAND

THOSE CORNERS? >> NOT THAT I KNOW OF.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. YOU CAN TAKE A SEAT.

>> WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO OFFER ANY REBUTTAL?>> BEFORE WE GET TO THE REBUTTAL IF I MAY, THE TRACY LETTER AT THE - - UNDER BIAS TODAY AND PROVIDE .

>> THERE WAS NO OBJECTION? >> YES OR.

>> DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY REBUTTAL?

>> AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING TO BUILD A MODEST POOL IN THE BACKYARD. - - CONVEYED THE FRONT YARD, THE HOMEOWNER IS GOING TO MAKE CONCESSIONS TO GET IT DONE.

WE WILL GO TO THE ENTIRE BUILD PROCESS AND MAKE SURE WE SUBMIT A CLEARANCE SHEET AND BUILD AT THE EXACT SAME WAY, WE ARE JUST

LOOKINGFOR THAT . >> HE DID A GREAT JOB ARTICULATING,HUGE IMPROVEMENTS ON DRAINAGE FOR $5000 OR SO .

WELL ABOVE THAT AMOUNT IMPROVING THE POVERTY LINE.

THE NEW FENCE ALONE IS PROBABLY RIGHT $5000.

A LOT OF YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST FOR THE ENTIRE TREE LINE. THEN PUTTING IN A NONINVASIVE - - ABSORBS WATER IS ALSO EXTENSIVELY EXPENSIVE.

THROUGH ALL THE HURRICANES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, ANY BUILDUP OF WATER.

I'M ALSO WILLING - - TREES DOW .

TO ME, I'M NOT BUILDER - - VERY SHALLOW HOLE, WOULDN'T YOU CAPTURE A LOT MORE WATER THAN THE TREES AND PAPERS? I'M NOT BUILDER, I AM A PERSON THAT HELPS THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> HOLD ON ONE SECOND, RICHARD,

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WHAT SORT OF TREES WERE THEY? >> VERY BIG.

THEY WERE GOING ACROSS TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS IN HIS COMMUNITY TO MULTIPLE HOMES. I TO BRING IN A CREW TO EXTRACT COVERING THEM TO PEOPLE'S HOME .

>> THAT IS WHAT WAS. THEY ALSO ABSORB A LOT OF

WATER. >> THIS IS 2009.

MAYBE WHAT I PUT IN DID A BETTER JOB BECAUSE I REMOVE THAT FENCE AND PUT IN THE BAMBOO AND THE DIFFERENT FENCE.

I HAVE COURSE OF GRADE THAT WHOLE AREA.

>> THERE IS BAMBOO THERE NOW. >> OVER 20 FEET HIGH NOW.

>> BAMBOO IS PROBABLY VERY WATER EFFICIENT SO TRANSPIRE, AVOID ALL THAT WATER. ALL THOSE ARE ON YOUR PROPERTY,

OBVIOUSLY? >> IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE PLANTED THERE. IT WAS SO MASSIVE IT WAS

COVERING THREE PROPERTIES. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION, STILL. DO YOU HAVE A GUNNER IN THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE? WHERE DOES THE DRAIN GO?

>> DIRECTLY TO THE SIDE OF THE HOME OF MY HOUSE.

THE SETBACK FROM THEY WOULD BE 15 OR 20 FEET.

THAT THING IS GOING TOWARDS THAT AREA OF THE PROPERTY, IT

IS ALL GOING TO THE SIDES. >> WRITER THE BACK CORNERS?

>> CORRECT BUT ONCE AGAIN, NOT PLACING HIS HOMEWORK TOWARDS

THE SIZE. >> OKAY, WE'RE BACK TO THE AGENCY IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

>> I GOT A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF.BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE POOL ALLOWS USE, THE ONLY THING IS CREATING THE PROBLEM IS THE SETBACK, AM I COMPREHENDING THIS RIGHT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT, YES, SIR. >> IF YOU MET THE SETBACK AND PUT THE POOL AND, WE COULD BE HERE?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> OKAY.

>> IS THRE MOTION?>> I WILL MOVE THE MOTION.

I UNDERSTAND THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM.

POOLS COLLECT WATER, IT MAY EVEN HELP, IDON'T KNOW .

I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 2022 ÃEIGHT BASED ON SEVERAL FINDINGS OF FACT ON SEVERAL CONDITIONS.

>> WE THE MOTION BY HENRY AND A SECOND BY ELVIS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I WILL TELL YOU IN ORDER TO CUT OFF THE DRAINAGE COMING FROM THE SLOT, THE GENTLEMAN WOULD HAVE TO BUILD UP 3 FOOT 'S WILL IN HISBACKYARD WHICH YOU CANNOT DO AT THE MOMENT . HE WOULD HAVE TO DIG A RETENTION POND THERE. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS?

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>> ALRIGHT. WE ARE ON TO ITEMS FIVE AND SIX ON THE AGENDA. ITEM 5 IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, SO THERE IS NO X PARTAKE MEDICATIONTO DECLARE .

ITEM 6 IS THE REZONING. IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO BE DECLARED? I HAD A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH THE SHERIFF ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY AND WHAT HIS OBJECTIONS ARE. ALRIGHT, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> SPEAKER: (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS).

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WE THEN MADE A RESUBMITTAL. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS NOW IN CONCERT WITH - - DEVELOPMENT. IT IS SJC ACQUISITION LLC.

WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE OWNERS FROM AUTHORIZATION AND REVISE AUTHORIZATION. PREVIOUSLY, THEY WERE JUST UNDER CONTRACT BUT NOW THEY ARE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.

THE FULL TEAM, MYSELF WITH TREVOR MCAFEE WITH CIVIL ENGINEERING, ECOLOGICAL AND SURVEYORS.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 40.33 ACRES.

IT IS CENTRALLY LOCATED IN THE COUNTY.

AGAIN, HERE IS OUR PROPERTY. THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS IS THE ACCESS OFF OF 208 DOWN AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE THROUGH THE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCE PARK DOWN AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE TO THE PROPERTY ITSELF.

THIS IS A CLOSE-UP VIEW OF THE PROPERTY AND I WILL GO OVER THE IMMEDIATE AND BUDDING USES WHICH OF THE WIND MITIGATION TRAININGCENTER, THE EEOC , THE MOSQUITO CONTROL FACILITY, THE AGRICULTURAL CENTER AND THE SHERIFF TRAINING FACILITIES.

YOU CAN SEE THEM ALL ON THE PROPERTY.

THEY ARE GENERALLY SITUATED THERE AND WE WILL DISCUSS EACH AS THEY COME ABOUT. THIS IS A SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT FROM RESIDENTIAL B TO MIXED USE.

THERE ARE CURRENTLY THREE LAND USES OVER THE ENTIRE IT INCLUDES OPINION REZONING FROM OPEN RURAL TO PED ON THE ENTIRE 40 ACRES. IT'S A FULL REZONING ON THE ENTIRE. THIS IS A REQUEST REDEVELOPMENT IN COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE.

THERE ARE NO WETLANDS, HABITATS, SPECIES CONCERNS OR NO FLOODPLAIN. COUNTY ROAD 208 OPERATING AT 40.2% TOTAL CAPACITY BASED ON THE LATEST TRAFFIC SPREADSHEET DATA. THE FLUME DESIGNATION, THREE OF THEM, BUT THE OVERALL UNIFIED PROPERTY INTO THREE TITLES.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO EXPAND THAT MIXED USE LAND-USE TO ENCOMPASS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. WE ALSO PROVIDE FOR MENTAL NDP SINCE THE PREVIOUS PCA. NO RESIDENTIAL.

YOU CAN SEE THE THREE DIFFERENT LAND USES, THE RED OUTLINE OF THE ENTIRE SUBJECT PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE RESIDENTIAL B - - IN THIS CORNER HERE. THEN NEXT USE.

LAST YEAR, I APPLIED FOR A CLEARANCE VERIFICATION LETTER WITH THE COUNTY TO GIVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THIS MIXED-USE LINE ESSENTIALLY WAS NOT PULLED ALL THE WAY AROUND HERE AND ALL THE WAY UP, WHICH REALLY IS TO ITS NEAREST GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARY. THE COUNTY OPINED THERE'S A POLICY THAT ALLOWS YOU TO MOVE ADMINISTRATIVELY, ROUGHLY 200 FEET UNLESS STAFF CORRECTS ME. THIS LINE READY TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS MORE THAN 200 FEET TO MOVE THAT MIXED-USE LINE TO A BOUNDARY CONFIGURATION.

THE COUNTY SAID, IT'S ALL PUBLIC RECORD COMMITTEES ARE ALSO RELIANCE DRAWN OUT HERE AND WHEN WE ADOPTED THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS, THE ESSENTIALLY WENT WITH THOSE LINES TO ADOPT THAT MIXED-USE LINE. THAT BARELY PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE MAPS AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS PROPERTY GOES OVER ALL THREE LAND USES. IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, SHOULD HAVE BEEN MOVED OVER IN TOTALITY WITH THE OVERALL SUBJECT PROPERTY. OUR INTENT IS TO REQUEST A MIXED USE EXPANSION. THE LAND-USE LINE, MIXED-USE FOLLOWS, EVERYTHING TO THE WEST OF THIS IS WETLANDS AND A

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THIS IS A ZONING MAP, IF THE ENTIRE ZONING CATEGORY WHICH ALLOWED THE SHOOTING RANGE ACTIVITIES.

YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT ZONINGS COMING DOWN AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, COMMERCIALINTENSIVE , TOURISM, INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE AND CAME DOWN TO THE SITE WHICH THERE IS PUBLIC LAND AND ADDITIONAL PUD. THIS IS OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY.

WE HAVE SELF PROFFERED WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE HAVE INCREASED THE PUFFER BACK AND FEET FOR TAKING OUT PROFESSIONAL CONNECTING POINT HERE WILL ALLOW POTENTIAL EITHER VEHICLE OR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS VIA SIDEWALK.

WE HAVE PULLED ALL OF THOSE OUT.

HERE IS A CONCEPT FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE COMMERCE INDUSTRIAL PARK. YOU CAN SEE IT IS LAID OUT HERE,INCLUDING THE 20 FOOT BUFFERS ALL THE WAY AROUND .

YOU CAN SEE THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

THE EEOC, MOSQUITO CONTROL, AGRICULTURAL CO-OP AND THE PUD DOWN THERE. THE PROPERTY WILL ACCESS ON THIS WAS AGRICULTURAL DRIVE AND LINK TO THE 16 PROPERTY.

THE REASON WE ARE ASKING FOR AN INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN LIEU OF A DETAILED MASTER PLAN IS ESSENTIALLY TO MEET PER MARKET DEMAND. THE ALSO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THAT SOMETHING IN THE QUEUE RIGHT NOW FOR ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT. THE ASKED FOR A PRE-AFTER FURTHER THE INCREMENTAL MASTER TILLMAN PLAN STATUS PER THE NEEDS OF THE FUNDING. VERY SIMILAR TO OUR REQUEST FROM A CONSISTENCY AND REALITIES COMPATIBILITY STANDPOINT. HE CURRENTLY HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AS A SHOOTING RANGE WITH NO CHEMICAL IMPACTS.

IT ELIMINATES THE SHOOTING RANGE, IF THIS WERE TO GO THROUGH THAT IS ALIGNED WITH THE SAO FACILITY.

WE HAVE VISIBILITY PROMOTION FROM I-95.

THE PRIMARY ROADWAY ACCESS LINK IS ONLY AT 40.2% OF ITS TOTAL CAPACITY AND THE STATE ROAD INTERCHANGE ROOMS ARE UNDERWAY CURRENTLY. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST TO REDEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.

I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY REQUESTS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AND RESPONSES TO SPEAKERS OPPOSITION.

>> BRAD, SINCE THIS IS AN INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPENT PLAN,YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ESTIMATES ? I KNOW YOU ARE NOT SUBJECT TO CONCURRENCY BECAUSE IT IS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT , BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATES ON TRUCK TRAFFIC? SAY SEMI TRUCKS COMING IN AND

OUT? >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC PROGRAM TRUCK TRAFFIC OR SEMI TRAFFIC.

THERE ARE SPECIFIC ITE CODES APPLIED SUBMITTED FOR THE REZONING PART OF THE APPLICATIONS.

THEY DID INCLUDE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND DISTRIBUTIONS BUT ON THE ROADWAY, BUT THOSE INHERENT IN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PARK USES ALREADY HAVE SOME COMPONENTS OF CERTAIN TRUCK TRAFFIC BUILT INTO THAT ITE CODE FOR THE ANALYSIS.

I CANNOT RESPOND TO YOU WITH THE SPECIFICITY OF SEMI TRUCKS.

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QUESTION. >> YOU ALL ARE CONCERNED AT ALL ABOUT THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT HERE ? FROM STATE ROAD 16 208 INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE? ELEVATION POINTS GOING TO THE WEST? I'M SURE YOU HAVE BEEN OUT THERE MORE TIMES THAN I HAVE, THAT IS A PRETTY CONGESTED INTERSECTION.

I KNOW THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS UNDERWAY, I HOPE THEY WORK.

THAT'S A REALLY TIGHT, SO CROWDED OUT AND CONGESTED AND GRIDLOCK OUT THERE. I'M SURE JANA SOMEBODY FROM TRANSMISSION CAN COMMENT FURTHER ON THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE TO THE INTERCHANGE.

. IN THE PUD FOR THE ST. JOHN'S SHERIFF'S OFFICE PUD, THEY DID OPINED AND ON THE RECORD STATE THAT THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE CONNECTIVITY WHICH CAN ALLEVIATE ANY TRAFFIC AND THE LAW FOR OTHER ACCESS POINTS TO VARIOUS USES ALONG AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE.

THAT IS LISTED IN THE PUD BOTH IN 2015 AND 2020.

IT INDICATES THE NOTION ABOUT COLLECTION POINT CONTINUING SOUTH. THERE ARE EXISTING EASEMENTS AND PLAY RIGHT NOW. 80 200 FEET WIDE BIFURCATING

THE SHERIFF'S OFFICEPUD . >> I HAD NOT HEARD THAT BEFORE.

THAT IS POSSIBLY BEING EXTENDED DOWN TO ACCENTURE DRIVE?

>> IS LISTED IN THEIR PUD AND I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IT.

>> I BELIEVE YOU, I DON'T DOUBT YOUR WORD.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE PUD, IT IS BIFURCATED BY AN EASEMENT. THEY DID NOT OBJECT TO IT IN 2020 SO IT STAYED THE COURSE, THEY DID A MAJOR MODIFICATION IN MAY 2020 AND IT WAS ADOPTED AS SUCH.

TO ALLOW THAT TO BE A POTENTIAL ACCESS POINT AND THERE WAS NO OBJECTION AT THE TIME AND THE APPLICANT AND AGENT AND WHATNOT THERE ARE A LOT OF WETLANDS THAT WAKE MY BELIEF.

>> RIGHT NOW THERE IS A STRAIGHT-LINE BIFURCATION FOR

THAT PURPOSE. >> I AM SURE YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE SHERIFF' DEPARTMENT .

CAN YOU TELL US IN YOUR OPINION WHY YOU THINK THEY HAVE A LETTER DATED MARCH 3 OBJECTING TO THIS? HAS THAT BEEN RESOLVED SINCE THEN?

>> WE HAVE TRIED EXTENSIVELY TO NAVIGATE THAT OPPOSITION WITH THE FACT THAT WE WERE WILLING TO CONDITION CLARIFYORIGINAL INTENT . WE HAD 32 LISTED USES ON THEIR IN OUR ORIGINAL PUD THAT CAME BEFORE YOU AT PCA LAST YEAR.

WE HAVE LITTLE THAT DOWN TO 20 SOMETHING USES, I CAN PRESENT THAT IN A SECOND. THAT FURTHER CLARIFY WHAT WAS DESCRIBED TO US AS THEIR MAIN CONCERN, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOME TOWN CENTER ASKED THING WITH RESTAURANT, RETAIL AND BIG-BOX STUFF. THAT WAS NEVER OUR INTENTION.

ANY RETAIL OR RESTAURANT RESTRICTED ACCESSORY TO ANY OF THE BUSINESS TYPE USES AND WE HAVE FURTHER IDENTIFIED AND CLARIFIED THAT IN ADDITION TO PULLING A NUMBER OF USES OUT.

WE HAVE GONE FROM 32 USES DOWN TO 20 SOMETHING CAN BE FURTHER CLARIFIED IN OUR REDLINE AND HAVE ALSO ADDED BUFFERS.

WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY GOOD BACK TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BUT I HAVE AN EMAIL AND GIVE THE LETTER OF OPPOSITION STATING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE LIST OF USES OTHER THAN NUMBER 12 WHICH IS GOVERNMENT TYPE USES, THAT THEY WOULD AGREE TO THERE. I WAY ABOUT THAT CLEARLY SAYS WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING OUT THERE THAT WHAT WE DECIDE TO BE THERE BECAUSE WE ARE GOVERNMENT USED AS WELL.

IT'S ALL HIGHLIGHTED, BUT IT IS CONSISTENTLY COMPATIBLE USES ARE INCLUDING SUBJECT PROPERTY. SINCE THEN, THEY HAVE EXPRESSED

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CORRESPONDENCE WHICH I HAVE. >> HAVE THEY PURCHASED THIS

PROPERTY? >> THAT IS AN INTERESTING POINT AS WELL. I'LL THINK IT'S ANY SECRET THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN WANTING TO BUY IT, BUT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES NOT PURCHASE PROPERTY, THE COUNTY DOES.

I DID MEET WITH THE REAL ESTATE OFFICE, BOTH LORI AND DEBBIE THERE AND DID MY OWN INQUIRIES ONTO THAT.

WHEN I SAT DOWN WITH THEM AT REAL ESTATE, THEY WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT THIS YEAR'S AGO. TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT THAT MY CLIENT HAD. THEY WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT THAT TO SEE IF THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY WITH WHAT TERMS AND CONDITIONS TO SEE IF IT COULD, THE COUNTY COULD SO PURCHASED THAT. THE CONTRACT IS PRETTY SOLID AND THERE IS NO WAY OUT OF THAT CONTRACT.

THE CLIENT NOW OWNS THE PROPERTY.

AT ONE TIME YES, THE COUNTY LOOK LIKE THEY WERE INTERESTED IN BUYING IT, BUT THAT IS AS MUCH LIKE A COMMENT ON RIGHT

NOW. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS?>> I HAVE ONE THAT MAY GENERATE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.N TERMS OF COMPATIBILITY, PERHAPS THIS WILL BE A BUSINESS PARK OR OFFICE WAREHOUSE TYPE USES BUT NOT RESTRICTINGYOU TO THAT , I KNOW THAT MOSQUITO CONTROL, DON'T THEY FLY HELICOPTERS TO THE WEST?

>> YES, THEY DO. >> OR OTHER USESFOR THE SHERIFF SITE TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH ? WHAT DID YOU ACTUALLY USE IT FOR?

>> THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I CAN BACKUP TO THE AERIAL.

THE USES CURRENTLY THAT ARE PROGRAMMED, I CAN SHARE THE PUD MASTER PLAN WHICH IS THE MOST CURRENT ONE, THE CURRENT USE RIGHT HERE THEY HAVE A HELICOPTER PAD FOR THE MOSQUITO CONTROL. WE MET WITH HIM PREVIOUSLY, THEY DO NOT HAVE OBJECTION TO OUR USES, THEY ACTUALLY ASKED IF WE COULD CUT SOME TREES DOWN TO MAKE THE APPROACH A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN THE FIELD. THE SHEIFF'S OFFICE DOES HAVE A HELICOPTER PAD HANGER PROGRAM DOWN AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE ACREAGE. SHOWN IN THIS REGION GENERALLY HAVE A HELICOPTER LANDING PAD AND HANGER TO FACILITATE.

THEY HAVE A TACTICAL DRIVING RANGE HERE, I'M 9-1-1 DISPATCH FACILITY, A FULL SHOOTING RANGE DOWN HERE.

THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING THROUGH THEIR LATEST INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MORE SITUATIONAL SHOOTING SCENARIOS WHICH REQUIRE - - TECHNICAL REASONS.

THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLAY RIGHT NOW BUT DOWN HERE IS WITH A HELICOPTER - -. THE SHOOTING RANGES MORE TO THE SOUTH.

EVERY LINE OF SHOOTING, THERE'S A COVERED AREA HERE, THE ENTIRE THING AIMS TO THE SOUTH. I AM NOT MINCING WORDS, BUT IT HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED THAT THERE WERE PROJECTILES ON THE PROPERTY ON THE SHERIFF'S PUD PROPERTY.

I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM COMMISSIONER JEB BUSH HE WAS HERE DESCRIBING THE CONCERNS OF THOSE PROJECTILES ONTO THE NEW SHERIFF'S OFFICE TRAINING FACILITY.

THE SHOOTING RANGE HAS BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.

THERE WAS SOME CONCERN AFTER THE FACT, THAT WAS CITED BY THE PREVIOUS SHERIFF AND INHERITED BY THE CURRENT SHERIFF TO BE THAT. IT CAME WITH IT BEING DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH - - PRIVATE GUN RANGE.

YOU CAN GOOGLE THE ARTICLE, THERE ARE MANY KNOWN ARTICLES OUT THERE WITH ALL THE EVENTS TAKING OUT THERE.

FROM 3D PRINTED GUN SHOOTOUTS, MACHINE GUN PUMPKIN SHOOTOUTS, IT IS EVERYTHING LEGALLY ALLOWED.

IT SHOULD BE ACCESSIBLE AND FORMIDABLE BECAUSE IT IS A SHOOTING RANGE. A LOT OF THE SHOOTING RANGES

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THIS ONE IS EXISTED FOR A LONG TIME, THE OTHER REPORTED INJURIES AND ARTICLES ABOUT ACCIDENTAL INJURIES OUT THERE, BUT NEVERTHELESS THAT HAPPENS IN THOSE CAN GENERALLY BE HIGH-PROFILE WITH THE SHOOTING RANGE.

FOR VARIOUS ARTICLES THAT ARE PUBLISHED OVER TIME, NONETHELESS, THE SHOOTING RANGE WAS THEIR FIRST IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACILITY WAS BUILT SECOND RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE SHOOTING RANGE AND IS CURRENTLY SITS RIGHT NOW.

JEB SMITH HAS SENT EMAILS SAYING WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE PROJECTILES, AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACILITY.

HOW DO WE MITIGATE THAT AFTER THE FACT? RANGE WAS THERE FIRST, EVERYONE ELSE WAS BUILT AROUND IT, HOW WE MITIGATE THAT? DO WE ADD BIGGER BURNS? HOW DO WE CONTROL THAT? TO ADD FIBER TO THIS, THE EEOC AND MOSQUITO CONTROL HAS NOT PERMITTED AND BUILT OUT FOR CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND RIGHT ON THE FENCE LINE OF THE SHOOTING RANGE PROPERTY. IT EXISTS RIGHT HERE.

THERE IS A NEW EDUCATION CENTER THAT HAS BEEN BUILT AND AN OUTDOOR CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND, VERY HIGH-END PLAYGROUND THAT HAS BEEN BUILT THERE. CLEARLY THE FUNCTION OF THE SHOOTING RANGE IN THE COUNTY'S EYES HAVE BEEN WHITTLED OUT AND WHITTLED AWAY. WITH THAT IN MIND, MY CLIENT IS PURCHASE THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WERE ALSO HAD WITH THE SHERIFF AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REPRESENT NATIVES ABOUT HOW TO GET THIS GUN RANGE TO GO AWAY? TO PROTECT OUR ASSETS AND THE FUNCTIONS OF OURNEEDS .

IF WE CAN'T BUY IT, MAYBE WE CAN LEASE SOME FACILITIES OUT THERE. WE HAVE PUBLIC USE PROGRAMS AS WELL. HISTORICALLY, THE COUNTY LIKES TO OWN THE LAND THAT THEY OPERATE ON, BUT IT IS NOT PROHIBITED THAT THEY DON'T DO ANY LEASING ON LAND.

THOSE ARE CLIFF NOTES. MY CLIENT IS HERE OF THE LLC AND THE DEVELOPMENT AND HE CAN CLEARLY DECIDE MORE ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS HAD BEEN SHERIFF'S AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REPRESENTATIVES IT IS A SURPRISE TO US AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REPRESENTATIVE SHOWED UP TO OFFICIALLY OPPOSE IT.

WHEN EVERYTHING LEADING UP TO THAT WAS COMPLETELY OPPOSITE IN OUR EYES. WE FELT LIKE WE HAD FULL SUPPORT FROM EVERY LANDOWNER AROUND INCLUDING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ABOUT WHAT OUR INTENTIONS WERE AND IT IS VERY CLEAR. WE SENT OUT OF RESPECT AND REVISE OUR PUD TO SAY WE GET IT.

MAYBE IT SEEMS DAUNTING BECAUSE WE HAD RESTAURANTS PROGRAMMED IN THEIR. WE WANT THE TOMATOES EXCLUSIVELY ACCESSORY TO A BUSINESS OR INDUSTRIAL PARKS.

I.E. COMMANDANT INDUSTRIAL PARK USER HAS - - NO FREESTANDING RESTAURANTS ALOUD. NO FREESTANDING RETAIL ALOUD.

IF THERE IS A SURFBOARD MANUFACTURER, THEY CAN ALSO HAVE A STOREFRONT SHOP IN THE FRONT TO MARKET A COUPLE OF THE SURFBOARD I WANT TO BE SOLD. THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A HEAVY SHOPPING CENTER, RESTAURANTS, DESTINATION FACILITY, IT IS NOT. IT'S MEANT TO BE AN INDUSTRIAL COMMERCE PARK, IT IS SUITABLE AND COMPATIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE AREA. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS, THAT MIXED-USE LINE CUTS THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.

THERE IS ALREADY A MIXTURE OF USES ALLOWED BY OUR CONSTITUTION WHICH OF THE CONTINENTAL PLAN WHICH GUIDES MANAGEMENT FOR OUR FUTURE. THE SHERIFF'S REPRESENTATIVE SAYS NOTHING WILL MOVE THE NEEDLE FOR US ON FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY UNLESS IT IS PUBLIC USE.

>> BREAD? BRAD, YOU GIVE A VERY LONG SPEECH BUT DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION.

THE ANSWER TO THE WEST AND THE SOUTH, MY QUESTION IS WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE THE PROPERTIES AROUND ARE USED FOR? THE ANSWER FOR THE WEST AND THE SOUTH BUT MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS DONE ON THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH?

>> THAT IS AN AGRICULTURAL CO-OP AND THEY HAVE A WIND MITIGATION FACILITY OUTBACK WHERE I BELIEVE THE TEST THE IMPACT TO WIND MITIGATION HAZARDS.SOME FOLKS IN THE COUNTY MIGHT KNOW BETTER OF WHAT EXACTLY GOES ON THERE, BUT WE HAVE SENT EMAIL TO THE AGRICULTURAL CO-OP MANAGERS.

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YOU HAVE A ROADWAY RIGHT-OF-WAY DISTRICT AND THE AGRICULTURAL CO-OP.YOU HAVE USES PROGRAM IN THEIR, THAT IS A FAIRLY OLD BUILDING RIGHT THERE. SINGLE-STORY AND PARKING LOT.

IT'S A VERY LOWGENERATING USE, LOW INTENSITY USE .

AS YOU CAN IMAGINE WITH EOC AND MOSQUITO CONTROL HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC PURPOSE. THIS WAS CHANGED TO RECEIVE THE PUBLIC LAND USE CONDENSATE EOC THE MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICT.

YOU HAVE A VERY INTENSE NUMBER OF USES AND TO THE NORTH OF THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY. I CAN GO BACK TO IT WITH THE

LAND-USECOVERAGE . >> THAT IS OKAY, I AM OKAY WILL TRY TO KEEP GOING. MY ONLY QUESTION,AND YOUR LIST OF 23 USES , ALL OF USES LOOK OKAY FOR ME.

IS CHILDCARE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS ONE?

>> CHILDCARE, WE THOUGHT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE OFFERED TO THE USERS AND EMPLOYEES IN THE AREA INCLUDING THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES. SAY FOR INSTANCE THERE IS A TIME WHEN THE EOC IS TO BE FULLY MANNED WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CHILDREN IF THERE IS A NEED FOR CHILDREN WITH DAYCARE? MAYBE A TRIAL FACILITY IS APPROPRIATE AS AN IN-LINE ELEMENT TO THE BUSINESS OF COMMERCE PARK.

IT'S NOT UNCOMMON IN OTHER BUSINESS, BUT WE FELT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP SERVE THE AREA AS A USE FOR THE EMPLOYEES OF THE GENERAL AREA UP AND DOWN THE AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE. CERTAINLY, THAT IS CAUSING CONCERN BECAUSE IT BECOMES FREESTANDING AND THERE ARE CIRCULATION ISSUES, THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT AND ADDRESS. WE THOUGHT THAT WAS AN APPROPRIATE USE LIKE A BARBER THERE THERE MIGHT BE A - - IN THEIR WITH TAILORING AND TRIMMING OF THEIR UNIFORMS. THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF USES FOR THAT TYPE OF PROPERTY.

>> RICHARD? >> ON TO THANK YOU FOR DEFINING ACCESSORY RESTAURANT, EITHER NOT FULLYUNDERSTAND THAT BUT I CAN SEE WHAT YOU MEAN . IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE TO ME.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT AGRICULTURALCENTER, YOU CAN RENT THAT BUILDING FOR PARTIES AND EVENTS .

I KNOW FOR A FACT BECAUSE THE BOARD EYE, WE RENTED THAT BACK IN OCTOBER. THERE IS A GIANT ROOM, THERE IS A MASSIVE KITCHEN AND THERE. THERE ARE PARTIES THERE AND EVENTS AND SO FORTH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE GOES ON THERE BUT YOU CAN DEFINITELY RENT OUT SPACE.

THIS IS A TOUGH ONE FOR ME BECAUSE OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OPPOSING IT. I WAS PREPARED TO VOTE FOR THI , THIS TIME BUT I AM ON THE FENCE BECAUSE OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OPPOSITION. THAT IS THE BIG HURDLE THAT I AM HAVING HERE FRANKLY. I KNOW THAT WAS NOT THE QUESTION AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO IT, BUTI JUST WANT

TO GIVE YOU MY THOUGHTS . >> HENRY?

>> OUT OF CURIOSITY, DO YOU HAVE FULL PUBLIC UTILITIES

THERE? >> YES, I BELIEVE IT COMES DOWN ON AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE. WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE

COUNTY ASWELL . >> I ASSUMED - -

>> THEY VALIDATE CAPACITY TO SERVE FOR INDUSTRIAL COMMERCE

PARK. >> I HAVE GIVENCOMMERCE PARK DRIVE ALL THE TIME . YOU ARE RIGHT, THE BOTTLENECK IS WHEN YOU WANT TO GET OUT AS FAR AS ANYONE ON THAT ROAD, I DRIVE DOWN AND I HARDLY EVER PASS ANYBODY I'VE DONE IN THE MORNING, IN THE EVENING, THE ROAD CAPACITY DOES NOT BOTHER

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>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? HEARING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS?

>> WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER. >> SPEAKER: (STATES NAME AND ADDRESS). SO I SPEAK HONESTLY, YOU HEARD ME EARLIER ENDORSE A PROJECT. I RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS PROJECT. I HEARD A LOT ABOUT EXPECTATIONS IN THE PRESENTATION.

THEY WERE SURPRISED THE SHERIFF'S REPRESENTATIVE SHOWED UP, THEY DO NOT HAVE THE EXPECTATION.

THEN MET WITH THE SHERIFF AND SAID WE RESOLVE THINGS BY SIMPLIFYING THE ALLOWABLE USES AND YET THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS LETTER ON RECORD. EXPECTATIONS ARE BIG ON THIS PROJECT. IF WE LOOK AT THE LAND-USE AREA, CERTAINLY THERE ARE OFFICES TO THE NORTH BUT JUST AS THE PRESENTATION SHOWED, THIS SITE IS SURROUNDED BY PUBLIC USES. ARE THE THE COPY OF THE PLAN SAYS ANSWER PLAN AMENDMENT SHOULD NOT ALTER THE EXISTING CHARACTER USE OF THE AREA AND I WOULD SUBMIT THAT THE ESTABLISHED CHARACTER OF THIS ZONE IS PUBLIC USE, SO IS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. THIS OWNER HAD AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY COULD CONVINCE YOU TO RECOMMEND CHANGING, THAT IS THEIR EXPECTATION. IT IS NOT A GIVEN BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE THE ANSWER PLAN BEHIND YOU.

IT TALKS ABOUT CHARACTER AND COMPATIBILITY.

IT DOES NOT DEPRIVE THIS OWNER OF ANY OF ITS PROPERTY RIGHTS ZERO. IT WAS THEIR EXPECTATION THAT THEY COULD HAVE YOU CHANGE THAT.

THE OTHER EXPECTATION IS SOMEHOW TRAFFIC IS OKAY.

MR. GREEN, YOU REFER TO THE BOTTLENECK THAT OCCURS AND THAT IS EXACTLY THE ISSUE HERE. STATE ROUTE 16 IS USUALLY CONGESTED. A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS SAY UNDER A 125C THAT THE INTENSIVE PLAN SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED IF TRAFFIC WILL BE ADDED AND ADVERSELY AFFECT INADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY CAN CONVINCE YOU TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, BUT THAT IS THE EXPECTATION KNOWING THEIR PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY KNOWING THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN - -. I SIMPLY SUBMIT THAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARETHERE'S .

IT DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO MEET THOSE EXPECTATIONS.

THE COUNTY HAS PUT THE EXPECTATIONS INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ONCE AGAIN, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SAYS THE OPERATION WOULD BE HAMPERED BY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF COMMERCIAL ORRESIDENTIAL ROOFTOPS IN THE AREA .

CASE CLOSED. >> WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO

OFFER REBUTTAL? >> THIS IS THE LATEST LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON RECORD FROM THE OPPOSITION WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. IT TALKS ABOUT GENERALLY SPEAKING WHAT I'VE UNDERLINED HERE, THIS COMMITMENT WAS BASED ON ASSURANCES IN 2013, THAT HIGH OPERATIONS SUCH AS

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THESE ASSURANCES, AND OUR COMMITMENT TO THE LOCATION WERE LATER CODIFIED. ALSO CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED AS A GUN RANGE, THIS IS CONGRUENT SIMILAR TO THE OPPORTUNITIES ALREADY TAKING PLACE.

OUR PROPOSAL WOULD CREATE UNNECESSARY RISK TO THE PUBLIC, TRAFFIC DISRUPTIONS TO THEIR OPERATIONS.

NOBODY HAS DISPLAYED HOW THIS WILL IMPEDE THEIR OPERATIONS.

IT IS JUST CONJECTURE. THERE ARE NO ASSURANCES.

NO PROHIBITION OR MORATORIUM ON COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA WERE MADE PURSUANT TO RESOLUTION 2014 Ã181 OR EITHER ST. JOHN'S SHERIFF'S OFFICE PUD.

COUNTY ROAD - - OPERATING AT 40.2% CAPACITY.

AREA LAND USES DO NOT CREATE UNNECESSARY RISK AS DOCUMENTED BY THE COMPATIBILITY STATEMENT. THEY SAY TO THEMSELVES, THEY HAVE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND BUSINESS COMMERCE PARK PROGRAMMED INTO THEIR PUD ON 12 ACRES.

IT IS NOT DEVELOPED YET. IF YOU DO THAT MATH, THE COUNTY CAN HELP US ON THAT. THAT IS A LARGE USE AND A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE PER I THINK YOU'RE BEING HYPOCRITICAL WHEN THEY WANT TO OPPOSE A VERY SIMILAR USE, BUT LESS INTENSE THAN HELICOPTER VEHICLE TRAINING AND SHOOTING.

WE PROVIDED REVISED PLANS AFTER THE PREVIOUS PZA HEARING WITH A NEW BUFFER, PREDICTED ACCESS POINTS AND A LIST OF USES TO HELP - -. THE STATEMENT IN OPPOSITION DESCRIBES THE ONLY USE AGREED TO ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS GOVERNMENT THE PUBLIC USE OR KEEP THE GUN RANGE AS IS SINCE IT IS "CONGRUENT". WE ALL KNOW THE GUN RANGE IS OPERATED ON A TEMPORARY STATUS RIGHT NOW.

THE ABUTTING PROPERTY TO THE LEFT HAS A NEW OUTDOOR CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND, SO IS THE COUNTY NOW SAYING THAT THE GUN RANGE SHOULD BE CLOSED? WE HAVE GOT EMAIL FROM PAST COMMISSIONERS AND FROM CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE SHERIFF HIMSELF WORRIED ABOUT THE PROJECTILES COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY. WE CANNOT DEVELOP IT OR KEEP IT AS IS AND WE HAVE ONE ENTITY CLAIMING OPPOSITION BECAUSE WE ARE IMPACTING THEIR MISSION. WHAT DOES THAT DO? DOES IT DEVALUE THE PROPERTY TO THE POINT OF IT BEING USELESS? WHEN THEIR BUSINESS PARK AND INDUSTRIAL PARK PROGRAMMED INTO THEIR PUD RIGHT NOW, THAT IS WHAT WAS LISTED IN IT IS STILL WAITING TO BE DEVELOPED. WE ARE MAKING THE CRITICAL FROM THE OPPOSITION STANDPOINT. EMAILS FROM JEFF SMITH LATELY DESCRIBED THE CONCERNS THE COMMISSION AND SHERIFF'S OFFIC HAVE ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE PROPERTY .

REJECTING PROTECTING THEIR 80 MILLION ARE ASSETS.

DO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT OPEN OR CLOSE IT? TRAFFIC AGAIN, NONRESIDENTIAL. THE COUNTY IS ON THE JOB IN 2018 OF PASSING THE ORDINANCE THAT EXEMPTS TRAFFIC AND CURRENCY FOR NONRESIDENTIAL USES TO THEN BE A CATALYST TO PROMOTE NONRESIDENTIAL USE IN THE COUNTY.

THERE IS NO MORE CENTRALIZED LOCATION THAN THIS.

JUST SO WE COULD ALL BE AWARE OF HOW THIS BEAUTY LOOKS, I WANT TO APPLY SOME OF THESE FOR THE RECORD.

THERE IS NOTHING THAT PROHIBITS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES IN THE AGRICULTURAL DRIVE FOR THIS PROPERTY OR ANY OTHER. IN THE 2020 PUD WHICH IS A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING SHERIFF'S OFFICE TRAINING FACILITY PUD, THIS DESCRIBES THE SOUTH ACCESS POINT WHICH IN THE FUTURE WILL LINK COUNTY ROAD 2014 AND HAVE ACCESS AND FURTHER PROVIDE ACCESS TO USESALONG AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE . THEY HAVE AN INCREMENTAL MASTER

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NONRESIDENTIAL USES INCLUDE NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC SERVICE, GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE AND EMERGENCIES, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES AND RESIDENTIAL USES. THERE SAR IS AT 70%.

70% ON THE 12 ACRES ON INDUSTRIAL IS QUITE A VERY COMPATIBLE SCENARIO THAT WE ARE PROPOSING.

THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 60 FEET. 30 FOOT BUFFER PROGRAM TO THE NORTH SIDE. INDUSTRIAL PARK, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL PARK WEST OF I-95. IT IS A CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE EAST OF ANY PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL.

IT IS NOT SAY AWAY FROM ANY OTHER - - TRAINING FACILITY.

CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE EAST OF ANY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SUPPORTED BY AN EXTENSIVE CONSERVATION AREA FOR THE INTERSTATES. AGAIN, THEY HAVE GOT NUMEROUS WAIVER PROGRAM FOR PARKING, LANDSCAPING.

THE USE IS PROPOSED IN THIS PROJECT, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE PUD, ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL AND RURAL USES AND THE ADJACENT LAND USES SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY. THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE LATEST MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

IT IS HARD TO SEE BUT IT IS ON RECORD, THE COUNTY CAN PULL IT UP, INDUSTRIAL USES ON 12.2 ACRES ON THE CHART).

THAT IS THESE UNDEVELOPED AREAS CURRENTLY.

IN 2015, IT LISTS IN THEIR, WAREHOUSING, COMMERCIAL, BUSINESS PARK, INDUSTRIAL PARK. EVERYTHING IS IN THE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE. THE CARTE BLANCHE PUT IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. AGAIN, THE EMAIL FROM MR. KLEI , DECEMBER 20, I FINISHED MY MEETING WITH THE SHERIFF'S AND OUR MISSION IS TO CONTINUE TO - - AS SUCH, OF THE 32 ITEMS LISTED AS POTENTIALUSES OF THE APPLICATION SUMMARY , ONLY NUMBER 12 IS THE ONLY ONE CONSISTENT WITH THE ACTIVITY AT THIS LOCATION. WE DON'T SEE A SCENARIO WHERE WE CAN FIND COMMON GROUND IN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE. THAT'S ALL THEY WANT TO, PUBLIC USE. THERE PUD IS STATING OTHERWISE.

THE MAJOR MODIFICATION SPECIFICALLY STATES THERE USES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ENTIRE - - FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY WHICH WE HAVE OUR PROPERTY WHICH IS MIXED USE.

IT IS JUST THAT, THE MIXTURE OF USES.

THAT IN CONCERT WITH - - 214 IS AN INDICATOR THAT THEY ARE USES IN THE FUTURE COMING ALONG WITH FUTURE ACCESS POINTS TO A ROADWAY TO THE SOUTH. AGAIN, THE CITED RESOLUTION, THE CAVITY COME UP AND ASK ON RECORD, WHETHER OTHER ASSURANCES OTHER THAN WHAT I AM READING TO THE RECORD NOW - - WE WILL PROTECT YOU. BY WAY OF PUTTING SOME KIND OF MORATORIUM OR PROHIBITION ON ANY COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL USES ON THE PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK THAT HAPPENED.

I JUST WANT TO READONE THING TO THE AGREEMENT, PLEASE .THIS ISN'T THE ORDINANCE, 2014, ITEM 21, THIS AGREEMENT CONSTITUTES THE ENTIRE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PARTIES, WHICH IS THE SELLER AND THE PURCHASER. THERE ARE NO AGREEMENTS OR

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I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> HENRY? >> I AM JUST TRYING TO FIND IT.

ACREAGE IS THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT ON THIS.

>> IT IS ROUGHLY 20 ACRES. >> 20 ACRES OF MIXED-USE THAT YOU CONSTRICT THE COMING YEAR FOR ZONING?

>> SO, WE NEEDED TO BE CONCRETE ON THIS.

WE HAD OUR SURVEYOR SUPERIMPOSE THE GIS MAP AND THEN SUPERIMPOSE - - WHAT IS OUT THERE FROM A LAND USE AND ZONING STANDPOINT. THAT MAKES USE DISTRICTS - - TOTAL PROPERTY IS ABOUT 20 ACRES.

20 ACRES CURRENTLY WITH THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT.

I RULE, WE CAN APPLY FOR A STRAIGHT ZONING .

TYPICALLY ANYTHING OVER 10 ACRES YOU HAVE TO DO PUD.

THE COUNTY IS NODDING, I KNOW THIS.

THERE IS POLICY AND THINGS IN CODE WHICH REQUIRE ANYTHING OVER 10 ACRES TO DO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

YOU HAVE TO DO THAT WITH CERTAIN BUFFERS PROGRAM IN A NUMBER OF SPECIFIED USES WHICH WE HAVE DONE.E WOULD HAVE TO DO 9.99 ACRE TO GET AWAY FROM THE PUD SIDE OF THE CODE.

AGAIN, OVER HERE IS RESIDENTIAL B. YOU CAN BE APPLIED BY THAT.

WHAT CAN WE DO THERE? JUST MINDED TREES AND DO A BORROW PIT. MIXED-USE DISTRICT.

IT WOULD NEED A ZONING CHANGE. AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE UNDERNEATH THIS IS ALL OF THE GUN RANGE INFRASTRUCTURE HERE.

IT'S ROAD RANGE, SHOOTING RANGE, AND LEANS OVER THE MIXED-USE LOT. PLEASE HELP ME FURTHER DEFINE THIS. CAN WE GET AN INTERPRETATION TO MOVE JUST 200 FEET AND DO A REZONING TO IT? PULL IT OVER TO A PROPERTY BOUNDARY? THERE'S A 200 FOOT RULE, WE ARE TRYING TO GO BEYOND THE MINISTRY OF APPROACH. HERE WE ARE.

THE COUNTY SAID IF YOU NEED TO DO ANYTHING, WHEN TO DO A COMPRESS OF THEM AND THERE WE ARE.

THE LAND OWNER HAS A REASONABLE EXPECTATION.

WE HAD EXPECTATIONS ON WHAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE HERE THOSE AESTHETICIANS WERE ALSO PROGRAM WITH THE SHERIFF AND STAFF THEMSELVES. ONLY AT THE LAST MINUTE DID THEY OPPOSE IT.AGAIN, TO TRY TO SELF PROFFER, WE CAN'T HAVE ANY COMMON GROUND HERE UNLESS YOU DO ONE USE, PUBLIC USES.

IS THAT AN INVERSE CONDEMNATION IF THAT GET DENIED? I AM NOT SURE. ESPECIALLY IF WE CANNOT REOPEN THE GUN RANGE FULL-TIME. IT'S A VERY SENSIBLE USE THAT IS COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE ENTIRE AREA AMONG AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE AND IT LITERALLY SAYS THAT IN BOTH PUD, I AM SUBMITTING ALL THOSE ON RECORD TODAY.

BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, IS ABOUT 20 ACRES SIR.

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>> YOU ALREADY HAVE A IXED USE, I UNDERSTAND IT IS PAST THE 10 ACRES AND YOU NEED A PUD.I AM LOOKING AT IT AS STRICTLY MIXED-USE, WHAT YOU COULD DO IF IT WAS NOT PAST THE 10 ACRE SPREAD YOU HAVE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE SHERIFF'S ISSUES WITH EXTRA BUFFERS, TAKING THINGS OUT.

I DON'T SEE A STRONG ARGUMENT TO DENY THIS.

>> ARE YOU ALL HAVING A CONVERSATION OR IS THERE A

QUESTION HERE? >> THIS IS SORT OF A QUESTION,

DO YOU MIND? >> IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION THAT ASKED THE QUESTION, WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THIS THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

>> TO ME, I WILL WAIT TILL WE GET BACK.

>> I AM NOT SURE WHAT ASSURANCES THE COUNTY APPLIED.

>> WE'LL HAVE A QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.

>> I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THE LAST TIME IN OCTOBER THE SHOOTING RANGE WAS CLOSE BUT NOW YOU ARE INDICATING THAT IT IS TEMPORARILY OPEN OR PARTIALLY OPEN? THEN HE SAID A MINUTE AGO YOU CAN'T GO BACK TO HAVING THE RANGE OPEN FULL-TIME, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT TOO.

>> AND NOTHING WE CAN GO BACK FULL-TIME, WE CAN DO THAT.

AS ALLOWED BY RIGHT. PREVIOUSLY IT WHICH IS UNDER CONTRACT. THERE WAS ACTIVITY DEAD THIS

PAST WEEKEND. >> AND THE OTHER QUESTIONS? WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

>> WOULD YOU BE AT LIBERTY TO DISCLOSE OR CONVERSATION?

>> I DON'T WANT TO MISQUOTE THE SHERIFF SOUGHT, SO I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT I SAY. THEY MAY HAVE ATTEMPTED TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY SEVERAL YEARS AGO, BUT THE COUNTY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE GONE ALONG WITH IT.THAT IS WHY I WANT TO BE CAREFUL AND I DON'T WANT TO MISQUOTE HIM.

I THINK HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OWNED IT.

HE DID SAY THAT THERE WERE BULLETS, I WOULD NOT DESCRIBE THEM AS PROJECTILES, I WOULD DESCRIBE THEM AS BULLETS.

MY COMMENT ABOUT THAT WOULD BE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GUN RANGE, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE IT BULLETS ARE TO STAND YOUR GUN RANGE JUST LIKE ON HORSES, IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE YOUR HORSES PAY ON YOUR RANGE FOR YOUR HORSES.

THAT IS A DIFFERENT SUBJECT. ANYWAY, WE ARE BACK TO THE

AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> I WILL GIVE MY COMMENT ON THISAHEAD OF TIME AND THAT WILL HELP WITH THE MOTION .

CONCURRENCY DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY.

THERE IS MIXED-USE ALREADY WHICH MEANS WITH A REZONING, WE CAN DO NOT ONLY WERE THEY HAVE ASKED FOR BUT THEY CAN DO A NIGHTCLUB, A GIRLY CLUB, GAMING ESTABLISHMENTS, MASSAGE PARLOR , PSYCHIC, RV AND BOAT SALES WHICH WOULD BE OUTDOOR RECREATION. THEY ALREADY HAVE THAT.

THE FACT THAT IT HAS PUBLIC USE AROUND IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE ALL SORTS OF MIXED-USE.

PUBLIC USE IS MIXED-USE. IN MY OPINION, THE COUNTY NEEDS TO STEP UP AND BUY IT IF THAT IS THE CASE.

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I WILL SUPPORT BOTH OF THESE. >> I THINK WE ARE IN A VERY

UNFORTUNATE SITUATION HERE. >> I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE MASSAGE PARLORS OR NIGHTCLUBS.

>> I GOT THAT. [LAUGHTER].

YOU WILL TALK YOURSELF OUT OF THIS IF YOU KEEP IT UP.

[LAUGHTER] >> ALL YOU'RE DOING IS REMAKING THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE COUNTY CONVENTION.

I'M SURE THE SHERIFF WOULD VOICE HIS OPPOSITION AND I AGREE. THE COUNTY SHOULD ONLY, THEY OWN EVERYTHING AROUND IT. THEY SHOULD NOT PENALIZE SOMEBODY THAT HAPPENS TO JUST BE IN A BAD SPOT I WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CENTER THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

I ASSUME THE SHERIFF WOULD BE THE INVOICE HIS OPPOSITION IF HE HAS A PROBLEM. WITH THAT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CPA 2022 Ã10 BASED UPON THE FOUR FINDINGS FAX PROVIDED BY THE STAFF.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY HENRY, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY ELVIS KEMENY DISCUSSION? I WILL REGISTER THE VOTE ON THE LAND-USE CHANGE.

THAT PASSES FOUR ÃONE. WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, IS THERE MOTION AND ITEM NUMBER SIX?

HENRY? >> I WILL GO AHEAD AND SEND THE SAME RECOMMENDATION, I THINK THAT IS BETTER THAN STRAIGHT

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OUR STAFF. >> MOTION BY HENRY, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY ELVIS KEMENY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

THAT PASSES FOUR ÃONE. THAT INCLUDES OUR REGULAR BUSINESS. I WANT TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, WE HAVE A ZONING COMING UP IN WHICH WE EXPECT A LENGTHY HEARING CALLED THE LANDINGS AT ST. JOHN'S.

IT HAS BEEN SCHEDULED FOR A TIME CERTAIN AT OUR NEXT MEETING ON APRIL 6, THAT I GET THAT RIGHT? IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT?

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, I WANTED TO ADD THE AGENCY NO AND THE PUBLIC LISTENING, THE NEXT BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING, WHICH IS THE NEXT COMING TUESDAY, STAFF WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN AND APPRAISAL PROCESS, WE UPDATE IT EVERY SEVEN YEARS BUT WE WILL BE BRIEFING THE COMMISSION ON WHAT THE COMP PLAN IS GENERALLY IN A PROCESS FROM START TO FINISH AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED APPROACH. IT MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING MEETING AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION FOR YOU TO WATCH.

>> IS THERE GOING TO BE A POWERPOINT? CAN YOU SEND THAT OUT TO THE MEMBERS?THANK YOU.

>> SINCE YOU ARE ALREADY AWARE THERE MAY BE A LENGTHY HEARING, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR STAFF TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS WHAT THAT IS ABOUT?COULD YOU MAKE SURE THE AGENDA ITEM ON THAT GETS OUT IN PLENTY OF TIME TO BE PROPERLY REVIEWED?

>> YES, SIR, YOU WILL GET THAT AGENDA IN THE SAME TIMEFRAME AS NOW. IT IS AN AMENDMENT APPLICATION

FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. >> WHERE IS IT LOCATED?

>> THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE PARTY.

>> HOW LARGE IS IT? >> I WILL HAVE THAT WITH ME

RIGHT NOW. >> IS THE INDICATION THAT STAFF AND MR. - - THAT THE LENGTHY HEARING?

>> IT WAS SCHEDULED FOR TODAY. THE APPLICANT ASKED THAT IF HE

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CONCERNS. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> DID YOU SAY THERE WAS A TIME?

>> IT IS NOT BEEN SET YET. ONCE WE FINALIZE THE AGENDA THERE WILL BE A TIME SET.THE APPLICANT IS, MET WITH ME.

IT'S LOCATED SOUTH BETWEEN 13 AND - - HIGH SCHOOL.

THE ROAD ITSELF UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT A CAPACITY IN THIS PEAK HOUR

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.