Mar 07, 2023 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order by Chair]

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>>> GOOD MORNING, WELCOME TO THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY OF COMMISSIONERS. ONCE YOU FIND THE MEETING AGENDA, YOU CAN CLICK ON THE MATERIALS.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON ANY ITEM DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. SHOULD THE PRESENTER HAVE ANY EXHIBITS OR PHOTOGRAPHS, PLEASE PROVIDE THOSE MATERIALS TO THE CLERK. WILL THE CLERK OF THE COAL PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? (ROLL CALL ( PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? (ROLL CALL ( PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? (ROLL CALL ( PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? (ROLL CALL (O PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? (ROLL CALL (U PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? (ROLL CALL (R PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? (ROLL CALL (T PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? (ROLL CALL)

>> ALL RIGHT, PASTOR MIKE, PLEASE COME LEAD US IN THE

INVOCATION. >> GOOD MORNING, LET US PRAY.

YOU SAID IN YOUR KINGDOM THE GREATEST IS SERVANT OF ALL.

WITH GREAT HUMILITY AND RESPONSIBILITY WE ASK YOU FOR YOUR WISDOM, UNDERSTANDING AND MIDGE TO BE WITH US IN THIS MEETING. FATHER, WE ALSO ASK THAT YOU GRANT UNTO US COWER PROTECTION, PEACE, AND PROSPERITY FOR THIS COUNTY IN SCHEIE SUSS' NAME, AMEN.

>> AMEN. WE HAVE STAFF SERGEANT JOSEPH MCDERMOTT TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> PLEASE JOIN ME IN A PLEDGE TO OUR FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND UNITED STATES FOR ALL.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

[Proclamation Recognizing Irish American Heritage Month Public Safety Update]

FIRST WILL BE THE PROBLEMINGLY NATION RECOGNIZING IRISH

AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH. >> IS ED KING HERE? ANY IRISH AMERICANS HERE? COME ON UP.

THIS WAS FOR ED KING, I WAS HOPING HE WAS HERE T. IRISH ARE VERY ENTHESE IRISH ARE VERY . IRISH ARE VERY IRISH ARE VERY IRISH ARE VERY T IRISH ARE VERHE IRISH ARE VER THE IRISH ARE VERY ENT ENTHUSIASTIC PEOPLE. THIS PROCLAMATION THAT SHELBY WILL BE READING. [INAUDIBLE] BUSINESSMEN, DOCTORS AND ADMINISTRATORS, THREE OF THE SPANISH GOVERNORS OF LA FLORIDA WERE OFFICERS. A SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT FOR OUR YOUNG NATION. BY 1776, NEARLY 300,000 IRISH NATIONALS HAD IMMIGRATED TO THE AMERICAN COLONIES AND PLAYED A CRUCIAL ROLE FOR AMERICA'S WAR FOR INDEPENDENCE.

JOHN BERRY FOUGHT THE LAST SEA BATTLE OFF THE COAST OF FLORIDA.

FIVE SIGNERS OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE WERE OF IRISH DECENT AND THREE WERE IRISH BORN.

22 PRESIDENTS HAVE PROUDLY CLAIMED THEIR IRISH AMERICAN HERITAGE AND JAMES HOGAN PROVIDED THE PLANS FOR THE WHITE HOUSE AND SERVED AS ONE OF THE SUPERVISING ARCHITECTS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CAPITOL. IRISH BORN COMMODORE JOHN BERRY WAS RECOGNIZED BY THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS IN SEPTEMBER OF 2002 AS THE FIRST FLAG OFFICER OF THE UNITED STATES NAVY.

WHEREAS IRISH AMERICANS, SINCE AMERICA'S INCEPTION HAVE PROVIDED AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE LEADERSHIP AND SERVICE TO THIS NATION'S POLITICAL BUSINESS AND RELIGIOUS ESTABLISHMENTS.

IT IS FITTING AND PROPER TO CELEBRATE THE RICH, CULTURAL HERITAGE AND THE MANY VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS OF EYE CRASH HER

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BE IRISH AMERICANS MONTH. >> THANK YOU, SHELBY AND HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY THIS MONTH, OBVIOUSLY.

[Certificate of Recognition for National Red Cross Month]

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AND THANK YOU MS. ROMERA.

NOW WE HAVE COMMISSIONER ALAIMO WHO WILL BE PRESENTING A CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION FOR NATIONAL RED CROSS MONTH.

>> ALL RIGHT, IN MAR WE RECOGNIZE THE INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO ARE DOING THE LIFE SAVING WORK OF THE RED CROSS. THESE VOLUNTEERS AND HEROS MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE AND WE HONOR THEM FOR ALL THE WORK THEY DO.

I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME UP BRITTANY AND SHELBY, I WILL PRESENT THE CERTIFICATES. [APPLAUSE]

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ALAIMO.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATIONS?

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

[Public Safety Update ]

DO WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT?

ALL RIGHT, CHIEF, WELCOME. >> GOOD MORNING, SCOTT BULLARD.

TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO SPOTLIGHT OUR DIRECTOR, DOC AS WE CALL HIM. HE TAME TO US IF 2016 AS OUR ASSOCIATE MEDICAL DIRECTOR. 2017 HE BECAME OUR FULL TIME MEDICAL DIRECTOR. HE DID HIS FELLOWSHIP UP IN AUGUSTA AND CAME BACK DOWN HERE TO WHERE HE IS TODAY.

2017 HE WAS HONORED AS THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF THE YEAR. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT MY STATS RIGHT. THE VALUE WE HAVE WITH D DR. BAJISTA IS SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND ANYWHERE ELSE.

YOU WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND ANYONE LIKE HIM IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. HE RAN 171 CALLS WITH US LAST YEAR. SPENT HUNDREDS OF HOURS LEADING TRAINING, LEADING AND DEVELOPING TRAINING THROUGHOUT OUR DEPARTMENT SO IT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON CHANGE THAT WE PULL UP AT A SCENE AND HE'S ALREADY THERE AND HE'S THERE NOT TO INTERFERE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING, HE'S THERE MAINLY SAYING HOW CAN I HELP? HE'S A TREMENDOUS ASSET, WE LOVE HAVING HIM. HE WILL SHOW UP AND JUST HANG OUT WITH THE CREWS FOR A LITTLE WHILE, JUST TO HAVE THAT BOND, THAT WAY WE HAVE THAT TRUST DEVELOPMENT THERE SO WHEN HE SHOWS UP, NOBODY IS FEARING FOR THEIR JOB OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

ALL THE CREDENTIALS HE'S BROUGHT, THE INTERACTION WITH THE DEPARTMENT, ALL THE MEMBERS AND WITH THE COMMUNITY ITSELF, JUST FELT IT WAS WORTH RECOGNIZING THAT THIS WEEK.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> YES, I ALSO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO HIM AND HE'S A VERY GOOD NEIGHBOR AND EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD KNOWS HE'S THERE SO HE'LL HAVE KNOCKS ON THE DOOR WHEN SOMEONE GETS HURT OR

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>> HE IS, I WILL VOUCH FOR THAT. >> ALL RIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT THANK YOU, CHIEF. DIRECTOR COLE, WELCOME.

>> GOOD MORNING. SKIP COLE WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THE PLAYER'S CHAMPIONSHIP IS UPON US. THEY ARE EXPECTING RECORD CROWDS THIS YEAR. ALL OF US KNOW THE BLESSINGS AND THE CHALLENGES THAT IT BRINGS. WITH THAT SAID, IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THAT PART OF THE COUNTY, PROBABLY AVOID IT.

IF YOU ARE GOING, WHETHER YOU LIVE THERE OR YOU'RE GOING TO ENJOY THE TOURNAMENT, BE PATIENT, TAKE EXTRA TIME.

WE AND FIRE RESCUE WILL HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF OUR RESOURCES UP THERE TO ENSURE EVERYBODY HAS A SAFE AND ENJOYABLE TIME.

TODAY STARTS THE PRACTICE ROUNDS.

TONIGHT IS THE MILITARY APPRECIATION AND CONCERT AND FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, I EXPECT TRAFFIC TO BE TERRIBLE BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS, A WEEK FROM NOW TO THIS DAY, WE'LL BE BACK TO OUR NORMAL BAD TRAFFIC. [LAUGHTER] SO THAT WILL BE GOOD. THE SECOND THING I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS ON A MORE SERIOUS NOTE, LAST THURSDAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT IT ON THE NEWS, I KNOW WE INVITED COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST BUT THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE TOOK PART IN THE NORTHWEST FLORIDA INTERCEPT TASK FORCE.

IT'S A UNIQUE ONLY SECOND OF ITS KIND WITH STATE AGENTS, INVESTIGATORS OFFICERS WITH VICTIMS SERVICES AND A FORENSICS LABS TO COMBAT THIS VERY COMPLEX AND SERIOUS ISSUE OF SEX TRAFFICKING AND EXPLOITATION. WE INTEND TO MAKE A BIG FLASH WITH THIS AND MAKE AN IMPACT IN THIS COMMUNITY.

WHAT MAKES IT UNIQUE IS NOT JUST THE FACT THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER ON A TASK FORCE, WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME.

THIS IS FULLY FUNDED BY NONPROFITS SO IT'S NOT EVEN TAXPAYER DOLLARS. OUR DEPARTMENT IS SENT UP THERE.

THEY FULLY FUND HIS HOURS, HIS TIME, HIS COMPUTER AND THAT ALLOWS US TO PUT A DETECTIVE BACK ON THE SPOT HERE.

THAT'S UNHEARD OF. WE ARE ALSO PARTNERING WITH THE LOCAL NONPROFITS AND RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS.

ONCE WE INVESTIGATE AND INTERCEPT A VICTIM WE CAN IMMEDIATELY PUT THEM INTO SERVICES.

THAT'S A BIG CHALLENGE IN THIS BUSINESS, WHETHER IT'S A WOMAN, A CHILD, OR EVEN A MAN FOR THAT MATTER.

LASTLY, THERE'S A HUGE EDUCATION COMPONENT.

WE KNOW IN THE LAST 20 YEARS WE WENT FROM A FLIP PHONE TO A SUPERCOMPUTER IN THE PALM OF OUR HANDS.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S IN THE EH PALM OF OUR CHILDREN'S HANDS.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK BACK 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW AND SAY I CAN'T BELIEVE WE LET KIDS ON THE INTERNET.

IT GIVES OUR CHILDREN ACCESS TO THE WORLD BUT IT GIVES THE WORLD ACCESS TO OUR CHILDREN. THERE'S AN APP CALLED FILTER THAT'S ABOUT RESPONSIBLE, HEALTHY BEHAVIOR WITH SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE INTERNET. WE GET TO SCHOOL BOARD INVOLVED AND WHETHER WE PUT IT IN THE SCHOOLS OR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES IT OR THE CHURCHES DO IT, WE DON'T KNOW BUT THIS AIN'T GOING AWAY. WE'RE GOING TO TEEP OUR KIDS HOW TO BE SBE SAFTO BE SAFE, HAVE B PRIVACY, BOUNDARIES, SEX EXTORTION. TIM TEBOW WAS PRESENT, HE GAVE A VERY MOVING CALL TO ACTION FOR ALL OF US AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO PARTNERING WITH EVERYONE TO GETTING IT DONE.

[Clerk of Court's Report]

>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. [APPLAUSE]

>> ALL RIGHT, OUR CLERK OF THE COURT, MR. BRANDON PATTY?

>> GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE NEWS ABOUT OUR UPCOMING DRIVER'S LICENSE REINSTATEMENT EVENT, ALSO KNOWN AS OPERATION GREEN LIGHT.

THIS EVENT WILL BE HELD MONDAY MARCH 20TH THROUGH FRIDAY MARCH 24TH AND GIVES INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE HAD THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE SUSPENDED DUE TO UNPAID COURT COSTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE BETWEEN 25% AND 40% IN DEBT COLLECTION FEES TO GET BACK ON THE ROAD. OPERATION GREEN LIGHT HEBE A

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DURING LAST YEAR'S EVENT, WE COLLECTED NEARLY $34,000 IN FINES. WE'RE STRONGLY ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE ON DEBT COLLECTION FEES. HELP US SPREAD THE WORD.

WE'RE GLAD TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND

[Deletions to Consent Agenda]

SUPPORT. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. PATTY?

>> ALL RIGHT, WE'RE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ANY DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA?

>> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL NUMBER 11 JUST BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON IT UNLESS MS. MEEKS IS HERE.

I CALLED HER THIS WEEK TWICE AND LEFT TWO MESSAGES AND I HAVEN'T HAD A RETURN CALL. I WANT TO THOUGH MORE ABOUT IT AS WELL AS WHERE THE BUDGET COMES FROM AND HOW IT HELPS OUR COMMUNITY AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT, ALSO. HOW THEY CAN HAVE THEIR ORGANIZATIONS RECEIVE MONEY, DONATIONS FROM THE COUNTY IF THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND IT TO BE.

AGAIN, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DETAIL WITH THIS AND THE DETAIL THAT I DID GET IS A LOT AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM AT SOME POINT.

>> SO YOU'RE PULLING CONSENT 11, THIS WILL BECOME REGULAR ITEM 11. THAT'S CONVENIENT.

OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> NO, THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, ANY

DELETIONS? >> NON.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> NONNONE.

>> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO? >> NO.

>> I HAVE NONE. AT THIS POINT, WE'LL NEED TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> AT THIS POINT, THE COURT WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE

CONSENT AGENDA. >> CONSENT NUMBER SEVEN, TO MY KNOWLEDGE COMMISSIONER ARNOLD AND THE ARPA STEERING COMMITTEE SELECTED BY THE UNITED WAY HAVE NOT INFORMED THE BCC OR THE PUBLIC WHICH GRANTEES NON-PROFITS HAVE APPLIED AND/OR RECEIVED ARPA FUNDS. WHO ARE THE GRANTEES REQUESTING THIS EXTENSION UNDER THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT OF 2021? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MS. CLADY. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT

[Approval of Consent Agenda]

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO

APPROVE ADD AMENDED? >> MOVE AS AMENDED.

[Additions/Deletions to Regular Agenda]

>> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THE CONSENT AGENDA PASSES 5-0.

ARE THERE ANY DELETIONS OR ADDITIONS TO THE REGULAR ADA.

>> NONE. >> NONE.

>> UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE HAD A FAMILY MYB COME UP THIS MATTER THAT WAS MOST UNEXPECTED AND I HAVE TO LEAVE THIS MEETING A LITTLE BIT EARLY. I'M HOPING WE WILL BE ABLE TOBI.

I'M HOPING WE LITTLE BIT EARLY. I'M HOPING WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH EVERYTHING. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM NINE TO THE FRONT TO THE AGENDA. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE HERE

FOR GAMMOPATCOMMENT ON THAT >> IF YOU'RE HERE TO ADDRESS

BELLA TERRA, RAISE YOUR HAND. >> OH, MY.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT AND WE'LL MOVE NINE TO THE

SECOND. >> OR RENAME ITEM NINE TO BE ITEM 1 A SO KEEP THE REST OF THE NUMBERS IN CONTINUITY.

>> ALL RIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE NUMBER EIGHT TO A MEETING

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DO YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT?

>> WELL, GOSH, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF IT ALTOGETHER I WOULD

LIKE TO HEAR THE RATIONALE. >> I FEEL LIKE IT'S A FEEL-GOOD PR PACKAGE FOR THE FUTURE OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

I HAVE THREE EXAMPLES OF OTHER COUNTIES AND SEE THE ORANGE TAGS, THEY'RE JUSTRY DI RIDICUL ITEMS IN HERE TO INCREASE OUR TAXES. WHAT I THINK SHOULD BE DONE IS THE COMMISSION TO RUN OUR COUNTY OFFICIALLY, NOT INCREASING OUR TAX BURDEN NOT TRY TO STAY ON SOME MANDATE.

FURTHER MORE, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN THESE PLANS WE'RE NOT ALREADY DOING. THIS IS ANOTHER BUREAUCRATIC WASTE OF TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE A HURRICANE OR COVID AND WE HAVE THIS PLAN WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, IT'S GOING TO GO OUT THE WINDOW.

I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF OUR TIME SO I WOULD LIKE TO PASS ON THIS AND GET TO WORK FOR THE TAX PAYING CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY.

THIS IS JUST WORD SALAD. GET RID OF IT OR PUT IT DOWN THE

ROAD, THANK YOU. >> BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE REST OF THE BOARD, MR. CONRAD, THIS IS YOUR ITEM, WOULD WOW LIKE TO SPEAK TO HAVING THIS ON THE AGENDA?

>> YES, SINCE MY BEING HERE, MANY, MANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD HAVE EXPRESSED IT'S IMPORTANT TO CREATE A VISION, MISSION, AND VALUES GOING FORWARD. SINCE IT'S BEING ADDRESSED NOW, WRAPPING UP THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND STRATEGIC PLAN. STRATEGIC PLAN IS THE PLAN BY WHICH THE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES COME TOGETHER SAYING THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO MOVE GOING FORWARD.

IT ALIGNS MISSION, VISION AND VALUES WITH GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND IT'S FAIRLY STANDARD ACROSS PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION MANAGEMENT IN THE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC SECTOR, SO THAT'S THE BASIS BOBID IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD MANY TIMES BUT IF THE WILL OF THE BOARD IS TO PASSBEHIND IT, IT'S THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD MANY TIMES BUT IF THE WILL OF THE BOARD IS TO PASS OR KICK, WE'LL DO SO ACCORDINGLY.

>> IS IT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT? >> IS WHAT?

>> IS A STRATEGIC PLAN A LEGAL REQUIREMENT?

>> I DON'T THINK ST. JOHN'S COUNTY HAS EVER HAD A STRATEGIC

PLAN, WOULD YOU TEAR TO COMMENT? >> IT'S NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT AND IF I CAN JUST SAY ONE MORE THING.

IT LOOKS LIKE THIS ITEM IS SOLELY A DISCUSSION ITEM AND SEEING THAT YOU YOU ARE DISCUSSING IT RIGHT NOW, NO ACTION HAS TO BE TAKEN TODAY SO I DON'T KNOW, COMMISSIONER, IF IT'S BETTER TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION DURING THE ACTUAL ITEM. YOU COULD ALSO TRY TO REMOVE THE ITEM BUT SINCE WE'RE HAVING DE FACTO DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW WE MIGHT JUST WANT TO HAVE THAT DURING THE TIME OF THE ITEM

>> DO WE NEED TO VOTE TO PULL OR NOT PULL THE ITEM SINCE WE HAVE HAD A CIGS FROM THE COMMISSION SNEER

>> THAT WOULD BE BASED ON IF THERE'S A MOTION OR NOT, HOWEVER, YOU HAVE TO APPROVE THIS REGULAR AGENDA IN SOME FORMAT, SOUNDS LIKE NUMBER 9 IS GOING TO BE 1 A.

SOMEONE COULD PROPOSE REMOVING THAT ITEM AND IF THE MOTION

CARRIES, IT WOULD BE REMOVED. >> OKAY.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MEDICATION A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA -- OKAY. HOW SHOULD I SAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AGENDA ITEM 8 OFF OR INTO THE FUTURE AND MOVE AGENDA ITEM 9 UP TO 1-A AND APPROVE THE CURRENT AGENDA.

>> SO WE HAVE A MOTION -- THE A&ED AGENDA.

>> I SECOND THAT. ONE ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE, TOO, IN MAKING THIS VOTE IS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO PUT ALL IF NOT A LOT OF OUR INTEREST IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS ON THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ISSUE, NOT ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN. I CONSIDER THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ISSUE MUCH, MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN A STRATEGIC PLAN, ALTHOUGH I DEALT WITH YEARS FOR STRATEGIC PLANS.

I'M NOT SURE THEY HAVE BEEN HELPFUL, SOME MAYBE HAVE.

BUT THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO SET PRIORITIES WHAT WE'RE SPENDING OUR TIME AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING STAFF TO SPEND THEIR TIME ON AND I THINK THAT GROWTH MANAGEMENT IS PROBABLY, FROM MY STANDPOINT, THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON

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STRATEGIC PLAN. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. FOR THE PURPOSE OF SCOTIAN, A STRATEGIC PLAN IS HELP US MANAGE THE GROWTH AND THAT CAN BE A

COMPONENT OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN. >> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, I JUST THINK AT THIS POINT I WOULD RATHER PUT ALL THE STAFF TIME ON THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ISSUE AND LESS ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

JUST MY POSITION. VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE BUT THAT'S

WHERE I AM. >> UNDERSTOOD.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. PLEASE VOTE.

[Approval of Regular Agenda]

THE AGENDA? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE AMENDED AGENDA WITH 9 BEING MOVED TO 1-A AND THE CONSENT ITEM BEING ON THE AGENDA.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION?

[1. Public Hearing * PUD 2021-19 Bella Terra PUD.]

THE BELLA TERRA PUD. >> YES, A MEETING WITH JUDY AND HER HUSBAND DUFFY, SCOTT AND STAFF.

I HAD ANOTHER MEETING AT 1:00 ON JANUARY 2ND.

I HAD A MEETING WITH DOUG BURNETT AS WELL ON JANUARY 5TH AND A MEETING ON MARCH 2ND WITH DOUG BURNETT.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> AM I TO REPORT ALL THE EX PARTE MEETIN

DECEMBER BOARD? >> YOU PUT THE PREVIOUS ONES ON A RECORD IN THE PUBLIC MEETING SO ONLY THOSE SINCE THE DECEMBER

MEETING. >> THAT BRINGS ME TO MY POST DECEMBER 6TH EX-PARTE. ON MARCH 6TH, I HAD A MEETING WITH DOUG BURNETTE AND STAFF AND I HAD A 4:00 MEETING WITH JUDY ON THE OSPREY LANDING STAFF AND GROUP.

WE DISCUSSED ALL OF THE ISSUES INVOLVING COMPATIBILITY, TRAFFIC

BUFFERS, ETC. >> ALL RIGHT THANK YOU

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> I HAD A MEETING ON THURSDAY, JULY 21ST, 2022, OBVIOUSLY, AT 1:30 P.M. WITH DOUG BURNETT AND WE DISCUSSED THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.

THE DENSITY, THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND, AGAIN, ON THURSDAY, MARCH 2ND AT 3:00 A.M. IN THE OFFICE WITH MR. AND MRS. SPEIGEL AND THEY EXPRESSED THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THEY EXPRESSED OPPOSITION TO THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DENSITY.

I MET AGAIN THAT DAY, THURSDAY, MARCH 2ND AT 3:30 P.M. WITH FRANK CARLOS RIVERA AND HE DISCUSSED THE ADDED BUFFER AND HOW THEY REDUCE SOME OF THE DENSITY FROM THE INITIAL PROPOSALREDUCED SOME OF THE DENM THE INITIHOW THEY REDUCED SOME DENSITY FROM THE INITIAL PROPOSAL THAT WE SAW.

>> I HAD A MEETING FEBRUARY 28, 2023, WITH JUDY SPEIGEL AND OSPREY LANDING GROUP AND STAFF. THEY DISCUSSED THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT, THE DENSITY, THE COMPATIBILITY, THE BUFFERS AND THEN LATER IN THE AFTERNOON WITH DOUG BURNETT AND STAFF TO DISCUSS THE MODIFICATIONS THEY MADE TO THE PLAN.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> MEETING ON TUESDAY,

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AND A TEAM. >> ALL RIGHT, WE'RE READY TO HEAR ITEM 1, WHICH IS THE BELLA TERRA PUD.

M. BURNETT? >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

DOUG BURNETT, ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP W. ME TODAY IS FRANK CARLOS RIVERA. ALSO HERE, NEWKIRK DEVELOPMENT IS HERE AND NELSON IS HERE THAT ROUNDS OUT THE TEAM AND TEG WANTED TO BE HERE PHYSICALLY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS CONSIDERING OUR LAST HEARING GOT CONTINUED SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR THEM, THEY'RE HAPPY TO HEAR IT. WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME INFORMATION THERE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT SOME OF THEIR PROJECTS ARE AND THE SPECIALS THEY RUN, REALLY DIRECTED AT LAW ENFORCEMENT SHELLS FIRST RESPONDERS, EDUCATORS, STATE EMPLOYEES, MILITARY AS WELL AS OTHERFIRST RESPONDERS, EDUCATORS, STATE EMPLOYEES, MILITARY AS WELL AS OTHER, FIRS EDUCATORS, STATE EMPLOYEES, MILITARY AS WELL AS OTHER PROGRAMS. THERE'S A LETTER IN THERE FROM MR. ROGERI WHO IS NO LONGER OPPOSING TO PROJECT AND IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. I WILL GO THROUGH THIS A LITTLE QUICKLY BECAUSE THIS WAS BEFORE YOU BACK IN DECEMBER BUT JUST TO ORIENT YOU AS FAR AS AREA OF THE COUNTY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT U.S.

1 SOUTH BETWEEN WILDWOOD DRIVE AND WATSON ROAD.

YOU CAN SEE THE SITE HERE. TAKING A LOOK CLOSER, THERE'S THE SHORES BOULEVARD THAT WE RECOGNIZE, THAT HALF CIRCLE SHAPE AND YOU CAN SEE WATSON ROAD AND WILDWOOD DRIVE IN RELATION TO OUR LOCATION. MIXED USE, PRETTY THOROUGHLY WITHIN THE MIXED USE MAP, ZONING, YOU CAN SEE RMH TO THE NORTH. YOU CAN SEE THE PUD FOR OSPREY LANDING AND PART OF OUR SITE IS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.

LOOKING A LITTLE CLOSER AT OUR SITE, PLAZA SOUTH IS NORTHEAST OF THE SITE, WHICH IS OFFICE RETAIL THING LOCATION.

YOU CAN SEE THE MAYO CLINIC WHICH IS PROBABLY THE MOST IDENTIFIABLE LANDMARK FOR ANY OF US IN THE AREA.

TRUIST BANK, CLASSIC CAR MUSEUM, MY PERSONAL FAVORITE IN THIS LOCATION. OSPREY LANDING, BEKNOW US, WENTON TO THE SOUTH NOW US, WENN TO THENOW US, WENTON TOENOW US, WENTON TOANOW US, WENTON TORHNOW US, WENTON TOTNOW US, WENTON TOHNOW US, WENTON TO THE SOUTH AND, AGAIN.

LOOKING AT THE IMPORTANT, WE HAVE REVISED THE PROJECT PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY FROM WHEN YOU SAW IT BEFORE, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE UNCHANGED FROM THIS DESIGN.

THIS WAS THE PRIOR DESIGN. BIG ELEMENT THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION WAS LOOK AT WHERE YOU CAN BUFFER THIS PROJECT AND SO WHAT WE LOOKED AT FROM THAT IS TO LAYER IN A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BUFFER TO THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH FOR OUR NEIGHBORS, SO LOOKING AT THE NEW SITE.

ONE THING TO REALLY STOP AND TAKE NOTICE OF HERE, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE E-MAILS FLYING AROUND OUT THERE THAT SAYS THIS DEVELOPER HAS CONTEMPLATED THAT ACCESS WOULD GO THROUGH ONE OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE WEST OR TO THE SOUTH.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NEVER BEEN PART OF THE PLAN.

WE HAVE NEVER SUBMITTED ANYTHING TO THE COUNTY WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN DIRECT ACCESS TO U.S. 1.

WE'RE STILL CONTEMPLATING ACCESS TO U.S. 1.

OUR PLAN HAS BEEN REVISED BUT THAT CENTRAL STORM WATER POND TO THE SITE HAS BEEN UNCHANGED. YOU CAN SEE THE COUNTY'S POND TO THE SOUTH. YOU CAN SEE WE STILL HAVE OUR CLUBHOUSE, OUR POOL, A DOG PARK, A PLAYGROUND.

THERE'S OUR TEN FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER, A 20-FOOT

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THIS IS THE AREA CLOSEST TO WILLOWBROOK LANE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT WE DO HAVE QUALITY RECREATION SPACE.

ONE THING TO NOTE ON HERE IS THERE ARE PARKING SPACES OUT IN FRONT OF IT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE LEASING OFFICE THAT WOULD BE LOCATED AT THE CLUBHOUSE, YOU'RE PARKING OUTSIDE THE SECURITY GATE AND BEING ABE TO GO TO THE LEASING OFFICE AND U-TURN AND LEAVE THE SITE WITHOUT EVER HAVING GONE TO THE SITE. YOU CAN TURN AROUND EASILY AND LEAVE. A COMPARISON OF THE TWO ON THE LEFT IS THE ORIGINALAL, ON THE RIGHT IS THE NEW.

AGAIN, THAT LARGE RETENTION POND REMAINS THE SAME.

IT'S A 27.5% REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS.

THE WETLAND IMPACT HAVE BEEN REDUCED BY 36.5% SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION AND THE UNITS PER ACRE AND, AGAIN, THERE'S THE BUFFER AND SETBACK CHANGES GOING FROM 20 TO 60 AND 20 TO 70.

WE HAVE ELIMINATED THESE THREE BUILDINGS COMPLETELY AND THEN PULLED BACK EVERYTHING ELSE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE UPDATED PLAN, AGAIN, REMOVING THOSE THREE UNITS IN THIS LOCATION, REMOVING THE UNITS IN THESE LOCATIONS TO TAKE THEM FROM THE LARGER QUAD PLEX UNIT STYLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED BUFFER AND STILL HAVING OUR RECREATION.

UNITS, THIS IS TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE LOOK AND FEEL OF WHAT THE PRODUCT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE DUPLEX UNITS, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE BY TEG, GIVING YOU A LOOK AND FEEL OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WILL BE LIKE. THIS IS TO SHOW YOU LOW HEIGHT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S IN THE AREA.

THIS IS UNDER 25-FEET. THIS IS THE LARGEST UNIT YOU WOULD SEE ON THE PROPERTY. THIS IS A QUAD PLEX.

THIS IS FOUR UNITS, THE LARGEST TYPE OF BUILDING.

THE OTHERS THAT ARE DUPLEXES ARE UNDER 20-FEET IN HEIGHT.

LOOKING AT OUR AERIAL, AGAIN, WITH OUR SITE PLAN OVERLAID, THIS IS GREEN WILLOW LANE. THERE'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT TREE STAND THERE. THE MAJORITY IF NOT ALL OF IT WILL REMAIN. YOU HAVE 10-FEET OF IT THAT IS INSIDE THE LOT AREA AND 10-FEET THE BUFFER AROUND THE OSPREY LANDING. LOOKING FROM THE LAKE VIEW, YOU CAN SEE THIS WAS PART OF OUR PRESENTATION PREVIOUSLY WHERE THE 20-FEET WAS. YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU LAYER IN 60-FEET WHAT STAYS THERE AND ALSO IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS TREE STAND HERE ON THE SCREEN, IN THERE IS A SPECIMEN TREE AN WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THAT IS THIS IS IN THAT AREA WHERE THE OPEN SPACE IS. SO WE ARE CONTEMPLATING SAVING THAT SPECIMEN TRY IN THAT OPEN SPACE AREA.

I'LL COME BACK TO THAT IN A MOMENT.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT OUTSIDE OF THIS BUFFERING, THERE'S THE BUFFERING ON OSPREY LANDING AS WELL.

TAKING A VIEW FROM WINTON CIRCLE, THAT'S THE COUNTY R RIGT OF WAY WHERE THE FARM IS. YOU CAN SEE THE IS.

YOU CANH IS. YOU CANO IS.

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YOU CANE IS. YOU CANBA IS.

YOU CANR IS. YOU CANN IS.

YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT OF HAVING THAT THERE.

THERE'S NO LISTED SPECIES AROUND HERE, NO HABITATS FOR LISTED SPECIES BUT WE DID UP STATE THIS STUDY.

THIS IS FRESH FEBRUARY 2023 IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT CHANGING THE SITE THAT MAY IMPACT THAT.

YOU WILL RECALL AGAIN THAT SIGNIFICANT 56 PAGE LONG STORM WATER ANALYSIS THAT MR. NEWKIRK DID, NET DECREASES AND DISCHARGE RATES AND ELIMINATION OF ALL DISCHARGE TO WINTON CIRCLE AND HE GOES ONTO TALK ABOUT OSPREY LANDING.

WE UPDATED THAT STUDY SO YOU HAVE A 2023 VERSION OF THAT SAYING, HEY, EVEN WITH THE REDESIGN, IT STILL DOES THE SAME THING. EVEN THOUGH WE CHANGED THE SITE, REDUCED THE UNITS, THE MONDAY REMAINS THE SAME.

WE STILL ACCOMPLISH THE SAME STORM WATER BENEFIT.

AND THEN JUST A FEW NOTES ON THIS.

IT'S REDUCING THE IMPERVIOUS SERVICE BY 121,000 SQUARE FEET, ELIMINATED 106 PARKING SPACES AND STORM WATER DOWNSTREAM.

WE REDEESED THE NUMBER OF UNITS BY 66, YOU STILL GET THE SAME STORM WATER BENEFITS WHICH WE THINK THE SIGNIFICANT.

I WILL SKIP THE STAFF REPORT PART BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT.

A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY COULD BE AN AUTO BODY SHOP ACCORDING TO THE ZONING. I DON'T THINK THAT'S LIKELY, BUT LOOKING AT TRAFFIC, OUR DIRECTLY ACCESS LINK, LINK 117.2, HAS CAPACITY AVAILABLE. WE DO NOT TRIP ANY KIND OF DEFAULT IN THAT LINK. THIS IS FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT.

THAT FOUR MILE RADIUS MAP THAT'S IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

WE DID OUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. NELSON DID THAT WITH LTG AND THESE UPDATES WERE BECAUSE WE HAD THE PREVIOUS BCC MEETING, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT AROSE.

WE UPDATED EVERYTHING TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE PRESH, COMPLETE INFORMATION. IF YOU GO TO U.S. 1, ALL OF THOSE COMBINED HAVE CAPACITY AND ARE OKAY.

U.S. 1. THERE ARE NO RIGHT OF WAYS REQUIRED AS A TRIGGER FOR THIS PROJECT.

WE TRIED A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH DOT.

WE DISCUSSED THE OPTION OF TRYING TO HAVE A FULL MEDIAN OPENING SO WE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION OF CAN WE HAVE A FULL MEDIAN OPENING RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR SITE? DOT DENIED THAT. THEY SAY IT'S NOT WARRANTED, SPACING, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. ADDITIONALLY, WE OFFERED TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO U.S. 1 AT WATSON ROAD.

YOU MAY RECALL SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO A U-TURN. WE'LL GET TO WATSON ROAD BUT IN U.S. 1, FDOT DENIED THAT AND THEY DO NOT WANT YOU TO JUST GO MAKE ARBITRARY ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS THEY DON'T WANT THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE, REPAIR, AND REPLACEMENT EXPENSE FOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NOT REQUIRED.

IF IT DOESN'T TRIGGER THE NEED FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, THEY WON'T ALLOW US TO DO THOSE THINGS AND THAT'S PART OF THE WISDOM OF YOUR STAFF AND COMMUNICATING CONCERN ABOUT THAT PROPOSAL BEFORE, THAT FDOT IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO ALLOW IT AND, OF COURSE, NELSON TRIED TO RUN THAT UP THE FLAG POLE WITH DOT. ONE THING WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT, THOUGH, IS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT, NOT FUND, BUT ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT A ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT EASTBOUND.

IF YOU'RE ON WEST WATSON COMING TOWARD U.S. 1, IT WOULD TAKE AND CREATE TWO LANES LEAVING WATSON ROAD, MAKING THEM 12-FEET WIDE, AND IT WOULD INVOLVE SIGNAL TIMING BECAUSE NELSON'S ANALYSIS IS THERE IS THE ABILITY WITHIN DOT'S RULES TO CREATE LONGER SIGNAL LEAVING WITH THIS IMPROVEMENT TO GIVE MOTORISTS LEAVING WATSON ROAD A LONGER OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT THROUGH

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THIS IS THAT APPROACH HEADED TOWARDS U.S. 1 IN THIS DIRECTION. I KNOW THIS IS ORIENTED NOT NORTH/SOUTH, IT'S ORIENTED WEST TO EAST.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA HERE WHERE MOTORISTS CAN GET TO WHERE THEY STAGE AND THEY DON'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE LIGHT OR YOU JUST WANT TO TURN RIGHT AND YOU CAN'T TURN RIGHT.

IF YOU'RE UP THERE CLOSE TO ONE, TWO CARS IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU CAN GET OFF THE PAVEMENT AND GO AROUND THEM.

THAT SITUATION IS THERE. HERE'S WHAT THE IMPROVEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND, AGAIN, WE'RE COMMITTING TO CONSTRUCT THIS IMPROVEMENT IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.

IT WOULD CREATE A DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE AND THEN A DUAL PURPOSE DEDICATED THROUGH AND RIGHT TURN LANE.

EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T ACCESS WATSON ROAD, IT'S NOW A DEFECT PUD. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR STAFF REPORT, YOU MAY RECALL THIS, THE LIST OF PRIORITY PROJECTS, WATSON ROAD IS NOT ON THE LIST. IF YOU GO TO THE COUNTY'S PROJECT LIST, WATSON ROAD IS NOT ON THE LIST.

IF YOU DO A SEARCH, IT DOESN'T SHOW UP AS A ZONE IMPROVEMENT BUT I THINK IT'S ONE THAT IF YOU WENT THERE AS A LAYPERSON, YOU CAN READILY IDENTIFY THAT THIS IS A ROADWAY THAT COULD USE A SIMPLE IMPROVEMENT AND IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY FOR THE RESIDENT THAT IS LIVE DOWN WATSON ROAD. I THINK IT WOULD MAKE A SIGNIFICANT IMPRUCHLT AND ADDITIONALLY JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE ISPROVEMENT AND ADDITIONALLY JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS CLEAR ON THIS ONE, PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN RIGHT INTO OUR PROJECT WILL THE OPPORTUNITY, THEY'VE GOT A 405-FOOT LONG LANE THAT THEY CAN PULL OVER INTO TO SHOW DOWN WITH THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND TURN INTO OUR PROJECT.

IT ALSO HAS A BENEFIT WHEN YOU DO THAT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S GREAT SIGHT VISIBILITY TO THE NORTH WHEN YOU TURN OUT OF THE PROJECT. THERE'S ROOM FOR IT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT THAT SHOULDN'T BE ONE THAT'S DIFFICULT FOR OUR CLIENT TO MAKE AS FAR AS THE RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE PROJECT.

GE U.S. JUST A REMINDER ON PZA,A 5-2 FAVORABLE VOTE, RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FROM PZA 5-2 AND THAT WAS AT THE PREVIOUS 240-UNIT COUNT AND WHEN WE WERE CONTEMPLATING ONLY FUNDING THE WATSON ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT RATHER THAN COMMITTING TO CONSTRUCTING IT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT SENSE, AGAIN, I JUST HIT SOME OF THOSEE, AGAI JUST HIT SIE, AGAIN, I JUST HIT SNE, AGAIN, I JUST HIT CE, AGAIN, I JUST HIT SOME OF THOSE HIGHLIGHTS.

THE COMMITMENT TO CONSTRUCT, THE REDUCTION IN UNITS, THE SIX FOOT TALL FENCE, THE BUFFER, AND THE SETBACK.

AS YOU ALL RECALL, COMMISSIONER ALAIMO HAS WATCHED THE VIDEO BUT THE TWO BIG STRINSTRUCTIONS IN INVOLVED MEETING AND WE DID.

WE'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT THE ROADWAY, IMPROVEMENTS AT WATSON ROAD. WE CLEARLY REDUCED THE UNIT COUNT TO 174. THIS IS ALL IN YOUR PACKET.

DEBT BACK TO 70-FEET, THE BUFFERING TO 70-FEET.

THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WITH THE UPDATED REPORT, AGAIN.

ONE THING THAT WE HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING WAS CONCERNS ABOUT LIGHTING, WAS THIS GOING TO BE LIKE BEING NEXT DOOR TO AN OLD SCHOOL BASEBALL FIELD AT NIGHTTIME AND SO MY CLIENT, AND WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE SITUATION THESE DAYS, THAT'S NOT HOW THINGS ARE ALLOWED TO BE BUILT, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

YOU HAVE LIGHTING STANDARDS IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT ALL IMPORTANT HAVES TO MEET, BUT MY CLIENT DID THE PHOTOMETRIC

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IN FACT, IN LARGE PART, NOT ONLY DOES IT LOOK SINGLE FAMILY FROM THE AIR, YOU DON'T NEED MORE LIGHTING OR MUCH IN THE WAY OF LIGHTING THAN YOU WOULD IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

ONE LAST LOOK AT OUR OVERALL SITE PLAN.

I KNOW YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. I SAW ALL THE HANDS RAISED.

I ASSUME WE'LL GET A CHANCE FOR REBUTTAL AND QUESTIONS AT THE END. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS NOW, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM OR CALL UP ANYONE FROM THE TEAM BUT OTHERWISE I ASSUME YOU'RE GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE DO HAVE A QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> HI. >> SO WATSON ROAD DOESN'T BOTHER ME AS MUCH. WHAT I WANT TO UPDATE IS THE TRAFFIC COUNT FOR THE AREA. IT SAYS 11,191 DAILY TRIPS AND YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY OF U.S. 1 FROM SHORES BOULEVARD AND 77.8%.

I DON'T KNOW IF OUR OUR TEAM OR YOUR TEAM BUT I THINK THAT'S BASED ON 2020. TRAFFIC COUNT.

THAT QUESTION AND IF I COULD CALL UP OUR TEAM, WOULD THAT BE

ALL RIGHT? >> SURE.

YEAH. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

I'M CONCERNED THAT IT'S NOT DOWN TO 150 UNITS WHICH COMMISSIONER DEAN WANTED AND WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THE AREA OH, AND, BY THE WAY, THE TRAFFIC, 120 PAGE THING WAS NOT IN THE SUBMITTAL FOR THIS TIME. DID COMMISSIONER ALAIMO GET IT?

>> THE 56 PAGE LONG STORM WATER REPORT?

>> NO, THE TRAFFIC REPORT THAT WAS IN OUR FIRST HEARING IN DECEMBER 6TH IS NOT IN THE PACKET HERE AND I DID NOT KNOW IF HE HAD GOTTEN IT OR WATCHED IT ON TV.

>> YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO ASK YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY ON THIS BUT IT'S MY EXPERIENCE WHEN SOMETHING IS CONTINUED, EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE ON IN PZA WOULD STILL BE A MATTER HERE AND HERE AS WELL. I THINK YOUR STAFF PUTS MAYBE WHAT IS THE MOST RECENT UP TO DATE INFORMATION IN YOUR STAFF REPORT RATHER THAN PUTTING EVERYTHING BECAUSE I THINK IT

WOULD BE TOO UNWIELDY. >> JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE WE GOT

IT THE FIRST TIME. >> WE DIDN'T ASK IT TO BE PULLED OUT OF THERE, THAT'S WHAT YOUR STAFF VIEWED AS IMPORTANT TO

GIVE. >> FROM HIS PACKET I HAVE THAT ALL THESE ROADS IN THE AREA ARE AT D AND SOME AT E.

WHAT DOES D MEAN? >> THOSE ARE THE ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICES FOR THOSE ROADWAY SEGMENTS, THE LEVEL OF THE SERVICE IS SET BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IS THE ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF DELAY. THAT'S WHAT THOSE LETTERS

REFERENCE >>. WHAT DOES D MEAN?

>> IT'S JUST WHAT DOES D MEAN? >> IT'S JUST A SENSE OF FEEL, HOW PEOPLE ARE OPERATING THEIR VEHICLES, WHAT THE RATE OF SPEED IS, IT'S AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF CONGESTION ON THE ROADWAY DURING THE PEAK HOUR IS THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE THAT.

>> ON HERE IT SAYS SOME OF THE DS ARE OVER 100%.

SOME ARE 150.9%. IF YOU DRIVE OUT OF THERE, YOU'RE GOING INTO ST. AUGUSTINE OR UP TO I-95.

SOME ARE AT ES THA THAT, S THAT THEY FAIL?

>> THAT SETS THE AMOUNT OF PEAK HOUR TRIPS THAT'S THE CAPACITY OF THAT ROADWAY. THE LETTERS JUST SET A STANDARD AND THE STANDARD IS WHAT WE MEASURE AGAINST FOR THE TRIPS THAT OCCURRING DURING THE PEAK HOUR SO THE TRIPS THAT OCCUR DURING THE PEAK HOUR PLUS TRIPS THAT ARE RESERVED WOULD GO INTO ARE WE EXCEEDING THAT ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDTHE PE ARE RESERVED WOULD GO INTO ARE WE EXCEEDING THAT ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD ON THE ROADWAY.EXCEEDING THAT ACCEPTAB OF SERVICE STANDARD ON THE ROAWE EXCEEDING THAT ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD ON THE ROALEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD ONE ROAACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD ON THE ROADWAY.

IT'S A COMBINATION -- >> YEAH REALLY NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION. IS THAT A LOT OF TRAFFIC? THE 207 IN WILDWOOD IS ALREADY DEFICIENT.

OLD MOULTRY ROAD IS DEFICIENT. AM I ACCURATE IN THAT?

>> YES. IF YOU'RE READING THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS SPREADSHEET AND IT'S STATING THAT A ROAD IS OVER THAT 100% CAPACITY, THAT IS BASED ON THE COMBINATION OF THE TRIPS VERSUS WHAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS WE

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HAVE ADOPTED AS A COUNTY >> AND IF THIS IS BASED ON 2020,

IS IT MORE NOW? >> SOME HAVE SEEN INCREASES AND THE LATEST IS FROM 2021 I BELIEVE.

SOME OF THOSE ROADS HAVE HAD INCREASES, SOME HAVE HAD DECREASES. SOME OF THE ADJACENT LINKS, I SAW A DECREASE, SOME HAVE HAD AN INCREASE OF 500 TRIPS.

IT'S A VERY SMALL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, THERE ARE SOME INCREASES, SOME DECREASES. THE ONES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ACCESSED ARE STILL BELOW THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

>> I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING EVERY DAY A FATALITY ON OUR SYSTEM AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN AGAIN.

WIN LAST QUESTION IS IF THERE'S NO SECOND OUT LET THERE, WHAT HAPPENS INSECOND OUT LET THERE, HAPPNO SECOND OUT LET THERE, WH HAPPENS IN AN EMERGENCY? DO ALL THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TO GET OUT ON ONE LITTLE ROAD? IS THAT OKAY?

>> THAT'S SOMETHING OUR FIRE MARSHALS OFFICE REVIEWS FOR.

THEY WOULD LOOK FOR WIDER ACCESSWAY FOR PAVEMENT, THEY WOULD BE LOOKING FOR 24-FEET OF PAVEMENT SO YOU WOULD HAVE TRA TRAVERSABLE LOCATIONS.

>> HOW MANY OF THOSE TRIPS ARE U-TURNS?

>> THAT'S BASED ON THEIR ANALYSIS AND I THINK THEY USE A

50/50 SPLIT. >> SO EVERY DAY, MAYBE 500

U-TURNS? >> YES, DAILY.

>> THAT'S A LOT OF U-TURNS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE DO PUBLIC COMMENT?

ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC COMMENT? >> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1.

ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS.

EACH PERSON SHALL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND ABIDE BY THE BOARD'S RULES FOR DECORUM. NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT OR BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR.

MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ANY DISRUPTIVE APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL COMMENTS AND ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK OF THE COURT.

>> YOU HAVE A COMMENT? >> YES, CHRISTINE, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT WE HAVE TWO DESIGNATED REPRESENT I HAVES, EACH REPRESENTING OVER 20 PEOPLE SEPARATELY AND ACCORDING TO BOARD POLICY THEY HAVE 10-MINUTE APIECE.

>> SO WE HAVE TWO DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVES?ULD LIKE TO HEA FIRST. DO WE HAVE THEIR NAMES?

>> JUDY SPIEGEL AND GEORGE SPIEGEL.

>> SO THEY EACH TAKE TEN MINUTES?

>> YES, THEY HAVE TWO LISTS. >> AT YOUR PLEASURE,

MR. SPIEGEL. >> I WON'T TAKE ON THE MINUTES.

I WILL BE CONCISE. HERE WE GO.

BELLA TERRA HAS BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR, THERE'S A RIDING ACADEMY THAT MANY OF THE CHILDREN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE USED. WHAT'S THAT?

>> YOU'RE DOING FINE, MR. SLAVEN IS OUT OF ORDER.

>> I'M SORRY, I'M GEORGE SPIEGEL.

I LIVE AT 101 WILLOW LANE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SITE, TREES, WETLAND, OPEN FIELDS AND WILDLIFE, NUMEROUS WOODPECKERS ESPECIALLY. YOU HAVE SEEN THE SITE.

GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. WE ARE R REE RECEPTIVE TO CHANG THE CODE AND THAT INCLUDES PROTECTING THE TREES AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND ALSO IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IS THE NATURE OF THE SURROUNDING LANDS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THE COUNTY SHOULD ENSURE THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE ADJACENT

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YOU CAN'T TURN THIS AROUND ONCE IT'S DONE.

SO THE COMPATIBILITY DEFINED IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REFERS TO THE SENSITIVITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS IN MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS AND ENVIRONMENTS, SO THIS IS A PROPOSED PLAN AROUND SEVEN DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE THAT'S REALLY INCOMPATIBLE.

FOR INSTANCE, AT OSPREY LANDING WE HAVE 2.25 HOMES PER ACRE.

IN WINTON CIRCLE THERE'S ABOUT TWO HOMES PER ACRE.

HERE WE SEE DEERFIELD MEADOWS, 1.7 HOMES PER ACRE.

SUMMER POINT, 2.45 HOMES PER ACRE.

THE GRAND RAVINE AT 2.8 HOMES AND CRESCENT KEY AT 2 HOMES PER ACRE AND THEN MOSAIC CREEK AT 1.6 HOMES PER ACRE AND WAY DOWN HERE AT 206, WOOD LOOK AT 1.6 HOMESK AT 1 AT 1.L AT 1.KE AT 1 HOMES PER ACRE. IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN FIND BETWEEN 1.6 AND 3.3 UNITS PER ACRE, PERHAPS AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE IF WE COULD WIND UP WITH THREE UNITS PER ACRE.

I JUST PULLED THIS ILLUSTRATION OUT OF THE SUMMER POINT ILLUSTRATION. THERE'S ABOUT 75 HOMES HERE, WHICH WOULD GIVE US ABOUT THREE UNITS PER ACRE.

SO WE'RE LOOK AT SINGLE FAMILY. THAT'S HOW IT WAS ADVERTISED, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WHERE THE COUNTY WILL GET PEOPLE THAT ARE INVESTED IN THE COUNTY AND FAMILIES THAT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE SUPPORT AND HEALTH AND VITALITY AND VIBRANCY OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. IF WE CAN'T FIND SOMETHING BELOW SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE WITH NO FURTHER CHANGES, THERE'S INCOMPATIBILITY ISSUES AND DENSITY ISSUES AND THE IMPORTANT SHOULD BE DENIED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. WELL, AGAIN, I'M FAIRLY NEW AT THIS AND FORGIVE US IF WE'RE SORT OF REPEATING THINGS BUT WE FEEL PRETTY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS AS YOU ALL KNOW SINCE WE

MET WITH YOU AND DISCUSS THIS. >> NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> SORRY, I'M JUDY SPIEGEL AND I LIVE AT 101 GREEN WILLOW LANE OSPREY LANDING AND I REPRESENT 24 OF THE MEMBERS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS DECISION IS ABOUT MORE THAN JUST OUR NEIGHBOR SELLING HIS PROPERTY.

QUANTUM PHYSICS HAS THE CONCEPT THAT EVERY DECISION AND EVERY ACTION THAT WE MAKE AFFECTS EVERYTHING.

EVERYTHING WE DO HAS A RIPPLE EFFECT ON ALL COMPONENTS OF LIFE AND WE BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE PREDICTABLE AND EXPECTED BUT ALSO UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF EVERY DECISION THAT'S MADE.

THIS DECISION IS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE RIGHT TO PEACEFUL ENJOYMENT OF OUR HOMES. FORTUNATELY, THE COUNTY DOES HAVE STANDARDS SET FORTH TO HELP US MAKE THESE DECISIONS.

THE STANDARDS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ARE STANDARDS TO GUIDE IN MAKING THIS DECISION IS LIMIT THOSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. YOU GUYS ARE THE GATEKEEPERS OF THAT, AND TO PROMOTE EQUALITY OF LIFE AND RESPONSIBLE GROWTH.

THIS IS UPSIDE DOWN IS WHAT IT IS.

THIS IS A PORTION OF THE WEBSITE FOR VIVA COMMUNITIES AND WE ASKED THE DEVELOPER AT A COMMUNITY MEETING ON

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MR. RIVERA INFORMED US THAT PALM COAST AND NEW SMYRNA WILL BE GOING TO VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION, THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

THE FORT MYERS FACILITY IS APARTMENTS SO IT'S NOT THE SAME SORT OF IMPORTANT THAT THE TREASURE COAST AND ST. AUGUSTINE ARE ATTEMPTING TO APPROVE RIGHT NOW AND ENGLEWOOD HAS BEEN TURNED DOWN. WE CONTENT THAT BELLA TERRA IS NOT MINIMIZING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AS MY HUSBAND SAID.

THROUGHOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANE THERE'S LANGUAGE RELATED TO LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROPRIATE ON A SIZE AND SCALE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

THE FACT THAT THESE UNITS AND THE PRESENTATION, ARTISTIC RENDITIONS THAT MR. BURNETT SHOWED, WHICH WERE VERY PRETTY, THEY APPEAR SIMILAR TO HOMES BUT THEY'RE NOT.

IT'S MUCH MORE DENSE AND IT DOESN'T MAKE THEM THE SAME THING. IN THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, COME PATABLE AND COMPLIMENTARY ARE USED.

REZONING APPLICATION IF CONSIDERED THE COUNTY SHALL ENS ENSURE COMPATIBILITY, WE CONTENT THIS IMPORTANT, AS NICE AS IT MAY BE, IT JUST DOESN'T BELONG HERE. IT'S TOO DENSE TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THESE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS.

PUD DISTRICT SHALL BE RESPONSIVE TO THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA AND WILL BE DESIGNED IN SUCH A MANNER TO PROVIDE FOR GRADUAL CHANGES IN INTENSITY OR DENSITY. WE DID HAVE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE COMMERCIAL ■ASPECTS AND THE RESIDENTIAL ASPECTS JUST EAST OF ROUTE 1 AND HOW TO MERGE THOSE TOGETHER.

THE HOME DEVELOPMENTS IN THE EAST AND THE WEST ARE VERY DIFFERENT AND WE CONTEND THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT A GRADUAL CHANGE. WE THINK THAT IT'S TOO DENSE AND IT'S INCOMPATIBLE. THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS IN SECTION 5.3 SAY THAT THEY SHALL BE RELATED TO THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND OBJECTIVES TO THE PLAN AND PROVIDE FOR THE COMFORT AND CONVENIENCE OF RESIDENTS, FACILITATE THE PROTECTION OF THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SHALL HAVE A DENSITY OR INTENSITY OF CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE AND WE CONTEND THAT THIS IS VERY MUCH MORE INTENSE THAN OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE BELIEVE THAT THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION OF DENSITY AND SURROUNDING LAND USE SHOWS THAT BELLA TERRA IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE AND THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS.

IN SECTION 5.36 F ADDRESSES COMPATIBILITY IN RELATION TO EXTERNAL IMPACTS AND NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF THOSE SUCH AS TRAFFIC, NOISE, AND LIGHTS. I APPRECIATE THAT MR. BURNETT DID ADDRESS THE LIGHT FACTOR BUT IN REGARD TO THE TRAFFIC, AS WE HEARD COMMISSIONER JOSEPH SAY, THERE WILL BE ALMOSALMOST1200 T OUT 1200 TRIPS OUT OF THIS PLACE.

WE THINK THAT'S A LOT OF U-TURNS AND WE DID NOT SEE THIS NEW TRAFFIC SUMMARY. IN THE OLD TRAFFIC RARITY, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY REFERENCE TO THIS MANY U-TURNS AND I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD NOT IMPACT THE SAFETY OF THE ROADS IN THAT AREA. IN VIEW OF SECTION 5.3 E, IN

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WE CONTEND THERE WILL BE NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE TRAFFIC.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OSPREY LANDING, IS ABOUT 32 ACRES, VERY SIMILAR IN SIZE. WE HAVE 159 RESIDENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS DENSITY IS NEARLY TRIPLE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, 424.5 IS WHAT THEY'RE ESTIMATING.

DURING THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT THE TEG HAD, THEY OFFERE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE BECAUSE WE SHOWED THEM A SIX FOOT FENCE AND A NEIGHBORHOOD PUT UP AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE BECAUSE YOU COULD SEE EVERYTHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DON'T THINK THIS IS ENOUGH TO MITIGATE WHAT THIS WOULD DO TO OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT, MR. FRALICK, THE LANDOWNER, SAID HE HAD TWO BACKUP BUYERS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE OR NOT BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS FOR THIS SITE, THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THIS DENSE APARTMENT BUILDING AND THAT HE STILL HAS THE RIGHT TO SELL HIS PROPERTY AND MAKE HIS REQUIREMENT MONEY. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO STOP DEVELOPMENT, JUST THIS DENSE IMPACT.

I WOULD LIKE A SHOW OF HANDS FROM THE AUDIENCE ABOUT ANYONE OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU.

HOW ABOUT IN FAVOR OF IT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE JUST ASK YOU COMMISSIONERS TO JUST DO THE RIGHT THING FOR DISTRICT THREE RESIDENTS. WE HAVE SPOKE WITHIN A LOT OF BOARD MEMBERS FROM OTHER HOAS IN THE AREA AND THEY AGREE WITH US, THAT THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH FOR THIS AREA.

WE KNOW THAT DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS.

WE KNOW THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS GROWING BUT WE'RE ASKING YOU, PLEASE, TO DENAY THIS PROPOSAL AND ALLOW A PROJECT WITH A DENSITY OF TWO TO FOUR HOMES PER ACRE TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR

YOUR APPROVAL. >> I THINK FIRST COMMISSIONER

DEAN HAS A QUESTION. >> YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT OSPREY LANDING HAS I BELIEVE 159 RESIDENTS?

>> YES, SIR. >> IS THAT TOTAL RESIDENTS OR THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES?

>> WE HAVE 69 HOMES, 159 PEOPLE LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR. THAT'S THE NUMBER OF HOMES.

>> YES, 69 AND THEY HAVE 174 WITH ANTICIPATED 424.5.

>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, A QUESTION FOR LEGAL. WE SAY HANDS GO UP IN OPPOSITION AND HANDS GO UP FOR THE IMPORTANT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD IS ALLOWED TO CONSIDER AS WE'RE MAKING OUR DECISION HOW MANY HANDS WENT UP AGAINST AND FOR?

>> NO, THAT IS NOT EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE TO BASE YOUR DECISION ON. I HAVE HEARD THAT REFERRED TO AS THE CLAMBER OF THE CROWD WHICH CASE LAW EXPLICITLY STATES YOU CANNOT BASE YOUR DECISION ON. IT'S THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO YOU DURING THE HEARING IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO BASE YOUR DECISION

ON. >> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

WE ARE NOT ALLOWED BY LAW TO MAKE OUR DECISION BASED ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT.

THAT'S NOT PART OF MY CONSIDERATION AND IT CANNOT BE CONSIDERATION, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

>> LET'S CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 1.

>> GOOD MORNING. [INAUDIBLE] IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE IN THE AREA AROUND THEM AND, YES, I AM TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC.

UNFORTUNATELY THE TRAFFIC WORKSHOP THAT I THINK YOU GUYS HAD, NONE OF THE INFORMATION, THE MINUTES, AND THE GTV IS AVAILABLE ONLINE. I WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE AND I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO ACCESS ANY OF THAT YET AS OF YESTERDAY SO

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I BELIEVE THE DEVELOPER PUT THIS VERY SHEET, CAN YOU ZOOM IN, PLEASE? THIS COMMENT, THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT OF THEIR PROPOSAL. IT REFERS SPECIFICALLY TO THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS SPREADSHEET DATED 4/12/2022 THAT THEY RECEIVED FROM YOUR STAFF. NOW, THAT SPREADSHEET, IT SAYS APRIL 2022. IT WAS PUBLISHED THAT DATE BUT THE TRAFFIC COUNTS ARE FROM 2020 AND 2021.

I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE IN THIS ROOM THINKS THIS DATA IS APPROPRIATE TO MAKE PLANS ON TODAY.

WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE HAD 7% GROWTH PER YEAR FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE DRIVEN DOWN U.S. 1 IN THIS AREA, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF YOU LIVE IN DISTRICT THREE, BUT THAT AREA IS INSANELY BUSY WITH TRAFFIC AND WE'RE SEEING CLEARING AND THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS, IT LOOKS LIKE APARTMENTS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE CONDOS OR WHATEVER. HUGE AMOUNTS OF CAPACITY BEING BUILT ALREADY AND THERE'S LAND CLEARING SO WE KNOW THERE'S TONS MORE BUILDING COMING. I HAVE NOT LOOKED INTO HOW MUCH, BY I THINK WHOET I THINK WHOEVE THE DECISIONS ON THIS NEEDS TO BE LOOKING AT REAL DATA THAT WE HAVE ALREADY AND WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND WHAT'S ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

>> THANK YOU. >> THIS IS NOT REALITY.

>> WELCOME, SIR. >> CARL, WINTON CIRCLE.

I LOVE THE CORRELATION TO QUANTUM MECHANICS.

I THINK IT'S MORE EINSTEIN'S THEORY OF RELATIVITY THAT TAUGHT US THAT TIME, TO EVERYONE'S SURPRISE, IS DIFFERENT IN THE VIEWPOINT FROM DIFFERENT VIEWERS, JUST LIKE THIS PROJECT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE POINT OF DIFFERENT VIEWERS.

I THINK THAT FROM A BUILDER'S PERSPECTIVE, IT MAKES SENSE TO PUT AS MUCH IN THERE AS YOU CAN. THE RESIDENT'S PERSPECTIVE IS VERY DIFFERENT IN THAT AND WE'RE THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE GUIDELINES THAT TALK ABOUT THINGS AND IMPORTANT ISSUES LIKE DENSITY AND COMPATIBILITY ANT INSIDE THAT COMES THE INSIDE THAT COMED INSIDE THAT COMES THE TRAFFIC AREA.

THE TRAFFIC IS HEAVY, IT'S HEAVIER THAN IT WAS WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE. I DON'T SEE IT GOING ANY DIRECTION BUT UP. WHILE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, BECAUSE SOMETHING IS GOING TO DEVELOP THERE, IT'S GOING TO IMPACT TRAFFIC, THAT'S UNAVOIDABLE.

WHAT LEVEL DOES IT REALLY IMPACT AND WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE? WHEN I SEE NUMBERS LIKE 6.99% TO 7% DENSITY VERSUS THE 2 TO 3 THAT P PREDOMINANTLY INVADE THE AREA, IT'S TOO MUCH OF A STRETCH. I WAS PREPARED TO COME AND ARGUE AGAINST 150 BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN NEAR THAT, SO FROM THE VIEWPOINT, THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, I'M IN AGREEMENT THAT IT'S JUST TOO FAR OUTSIDE AND WHEN YOU TRY TO PUT INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENTS INTO LAND THAT'S ALREADY MARGINAL, THESE ARE JUST PROBLEMS YOU BUMP INTO.

I THINK WE'RE ENCOURAGED A LITTLE BIT TO HEAR SKEPTICISM ON THE SIDE OF THE BOARD AND I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE SO IT'S OUR HOPE THAT YOU WILL DENY THIS PROJECT, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> CHUCK, 1748 NORTH CAPERO. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC

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ALL THOSE VEHICLES, A MAJORITY OF THEM, 75%, 80% OF THOSE VEHICLE WILLS HAVE TO MAKE THAT U-TURN.

IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE TRAFFIC. IT'S GOING TO CAUSE ISSUES.

HERE'S WHAT'S VERY INTERESTING. IF YOU LOOK, 586 ACRES OF WETLAND. THEY'RE GOING TO DESTROY 4.50 ACRES, DESTROY THE WETLANDS.

I LOOKED AT THEIR MAP, THE LAYOUT AND THEY SHOW ONE LITTLE DOTTED LINE OF THE WETLANDS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE EXACTLY HOW MUCH OF THAT WETLANDS THEY'RE GOING TO PUT CONCRETE ON.

WE CAN'T KEEP DESTROYING THE WETLANDS.

WE HAVE TO PRESERVE THEM. WE HAVE TO PRESERVE THIS COUNTY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> GOOD MORNING. I'M AQUILA.

ON DECEMBER 6, 2022, DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THIS PROJECT, BELLA TERRA PUD, ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS THE LACK OF COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING LAND USES, SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF DENSITY BEING TOO HIGH AND AT THE TIME IT WAS 8.6 UNITS PER ACRE VERSUS LESS THAN 4 UNITS PER ACRE ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. AS OF TODAY, THE DENSITY OF THIS HAS BEEN REDUCED TO 6.99, BASICALLY 7 UNITS PER ACRE WHICH, AGAIN, IS HIGHER THAN 4 UNITS PER ACRE AND THEREFORE STILL NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEARBY LAND USES. IF THIS PUD IS APPROVED AS IT IS TODAY, IT WILL CREATE A PRECEDENT AND OPEN A DOOR FOR FUTURE DEVELOPERS TO PRODUCE DENSER PROJECTS WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF EXISTING COMMUNITIES AROUND THEM.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> WELCOME. >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS DELVA BROOM. MY ADDRESS IS 116 GREEN WILLY DRIVE. I GO BY FAITH.

I AM AN EIGHTHER AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

ST.R AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

ST. ER AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

ST. DER AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

ST. UER AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

ST. CER AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

ST. AER AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

ST. TER AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

ST. OER AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

ST. R AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS GROWN AND REMOVALABLE CABLE CLBLE CLASSRO ADDED -- [INAUDIBLE] WHICH THEY DID AND MANY PARENTS WERE VERY UNHAPPY WITH. ANY TIME WE'RE SENDING CHILDREN INTO SCHOOLS THAT ARE NOT THEIR COMMUNITY SCHOOLS, WE ARE BREAKING UP FAMILIES, WE'RE BREAKING UP COMMUNITY FAMILIES, WE'RE BREAKING UP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FAMILIES, AND WE'RE BREAKING UP OUR SCHOOL FAMILIES AND ALL OF THOSE FAMILIES ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. WHAT WE SAW AT THE LAST SCHOOL BOARD MEETING IS A NEW SCHOOL SLATED TO BE OPENED IN THE 23-24 SCHOOL YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR, HAS BEEN MOVED TO 2025. PETER ROSE, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR FACILITIES AND OPERATIONS TOLD THE BOARD THE TIME LINE WAS TOO TIGHT AND IT WAS TOO TIGHT DUE TO ONGOING CHALLENGES OF SUPPLIES AND PEOPLE TOO WORK AND COST.

IN FACT, HE ALSO CITED AT ANOTHER SCHOOL THAT THEY HAD PUT A BID OUT FOR $59 MILLION THAT THEY PUT A BID IN FOR ANOTHER SCHOOL JUST LIKE THAT AND IT CAME IN AT $65 MILLION AND THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD THESE SCHOOLS, EITHER.

I KNOW AT THIS POINT WHEN WE RECEIVED THE LAST PAPERWORK, WE WERE LOOKING AT AROUND 12 CHILDREN IN THIS NEW COMMUNITY.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A RENTAL COMMUNITY, SO PEOPLE WILL COME AND GO, THE THING THAT WE DO LIKE IS HEARING THIS MORNING THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE WILL BE A PULLOFF THERE TO THE SIDE ON U.S. 1. ONE OF THE WORSE ACCIDENTS WE HAVE SEEN RECENTLY WAS AT THAT ENTRANCE AT BELLA TERRA ACROSS FROM THE CLASSIC CAR PLACE. THERE ISN'T MONEY FOR SCHOOLS,

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WE KNOW THAT AT THIS POINT, ONE OF OUR LITTLE PEOPLE IS HAVING TO GO SEVEN MILES TO GO TO KINDERGARTEN, NOT WITH HER COMMUNITY, AND ALL OUR PRESCHOOLS ARE FOOL WITH WAITING

LISTS, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> ANDREA DUFFY, 103 GREEN BILLOW LANE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OF THELAN. I WOULD LIKE WILLOW LANE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OF THE LEGACY THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR CHILDREN AND FUTURE. I KNOW MR. FROLICK WANTS TO SELL HIS LAND AND WE DON'T WANT TO STOP THAT BUT WE WOULD LIKE HIM TO KNOW HE CAN LEAF A LEGACY WHEN HE LEAVES THE AREA.

ONCE SOMETHING IS 234 PLACE, WE CAN'T34 PLACE, WE CAI PLACE, WE CAN PLACE, WE CAN'T TAKE DOWN BUILDINGS. WE TALKED ABOUT PLANS FOR THE FUTURE AND GROWTH STUDIES. RIGHT NOW THIS PROJECT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO COMPLY WITH MY VISION FOR OUR COUNTY, SO PLEASE THINK HARD, LOOK AT THE DENSITY, LISTEN TO ALL THE FACT TOURS AND VOTE HOW YOU WOULDORS AND VOTE HOW YOU WOULD FOR YOUR LEGACY FOR THE FUTURE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> WELCOME.

>> SUZANNE, LAURELWAY. I HAVE TO SAY THE SPIEGELS HAVE DONE OF FANTASTIC JOB IN MAKING THEIR PRESENTATIONS.

I CAN PRETTY MUCH SAY THEY SAID EVERYTHING FOR ALL OF US AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S A TON OF WORK THEY HAVE DONE. A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO BRING UP, ONE IS WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR A WHILE AND YOU DO IT EVERY FIVE YEARS AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO REDO, TAKE ANOTHER REVISIT.

THROUGH THESE YEARS, I HAVE SEEN LOTS OF REVISIONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE WANTED TO MAKE AND IN GENERAL, THEY HAVE GOT TEN WHAT THEY WANTED AND NOW WE SEE WHAT WE FACE IN THIS COUNTY.

YOU CAN'T TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN CHOOSE TOIC NOR IT TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN. I THINK WE REACHED A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE TO SAY NO MORE UNTIL WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PLAN AGAIN AND SEE WHAT'S OUR THINKING NOW FIVE YEARS LATER, LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN FIVE YEARS HERE.

LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.

INCREDIBLE. JUST ON THAT ALONE, THE DENSITY IS CRAZY IN THIS PROPOSAL. ONCE YOU APPROVE IT, IF YOU DO, THAT'S GOING TO SET A PRECEDENT. PZA LAST WEEK, THEY LOOKED AT A PROJECT DOWN AT 206 AND U.S. 1 FOR TOWNHOUSES AND THAT PROJECT CAME IN AT 6.5 UNITS PER ACRE. EVEN THE PZA WAS SHOCKED WHEN THEY SAW THAT. THEY DID VOTE 3-3 AND THAT'S A TECHNICAL DENIAL BUT IT'S GOING TO BE COMING BACK HERE AND IF YOU APPROVE THIS, THAT ONE IS GOING TO GET APPROVED AND EVERYTHING DOWN THAT CORRIDOR, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE LITTLE PARCELS TUCKED IN HERE AND THERE, THE DEVELOPERS ARE SALIVATING AND JUST WAITING FOR YOU TO OPEN THAT DOOR AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE FLOOD GATES FLOWING.

YES, WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS COUNTY.

NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. THIS PROJECT IS NOT AFFORDABLE

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>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> IF ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WANTS TO JUST COME DOWN AND LINE UP.

>> GOOD MORNING, SHERRY BADGER, 2770 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE.

IT SEEMS LIKE THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST ASKING Y'ALL TO FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND NOT DESTROY THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF Y'ALL GO TO THE SOUTH END OF TOWN, BUT THE TRAFFIC IS HORRENDOUS. ONCE AGAIN, OVER STRESSED INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING AS A BOARD. THERE'S BEEN TWO OF YOU UP HERE A WHILE THAT COULD GET THIS INTO MOTION.

YOU HAVE A SUNSHINE BUS, THE LAST RUN IS AT 9:00.

PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN GET OFF OF WORK BY 10:00, SO IT SEEMS LIKE Y'ALL NEED TO BE DOING YOUR HOMEWORK INSTEAD OF APPROVING STUFF DEAL WITH THIS OVERSTRESSED INFRASTRUCTURE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

YES, SIR? >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS RUSSELL SIMMONS. I LIVE AT 6170, A1S A S SOUA SO.

I OWN PROPERTY ACROSS FROM THE PROJECT.

I'M IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT AND I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS GLENN AND MY ADDRESS IS 142 OSPREY MARSH LANE.

I'M A RETIRED 30-YEAR CAREER MILITARY OFFICER AND I HAVE LISTEN LIVING HERE EIGHT YEARS. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED. EACH I BELIEVE IS WORTH REPEATING. THE LOCATION OF A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT SHOULD MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF TRANSPORTATION IN PUBLIC SERVICES AND BE COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING AREA. THE ADJUSTMENT OF SIGNAL LIGHT TIMING, THE INSTALLATION OF A TURN LANE AND A BUMPOUT FOR THE HUNDREDS OF U-TURNS WE'LL SEE WILL NOT MINIMIZE TRAFFIC.

IN FACT, IT WILL CONGEST THAT STRETCH OF HIGHWAY AT THE WATSON INTERSECTION MAKING IT DANGEROUS AND DEADLIER THAN IT IS NOW.

ANOTHER SECTION OF THE LAND.COM CODE SPEAKS TO THE DENSITY AND INTENSITY OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT BEING IN CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE. THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS LANGUAGE THAT STATES WHEN A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION IS CONSIDERED, THE COUNTY SHALL ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING LAND WHEREAS COMPATIBILITY AND DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT AND I DON'T SEE THAT HERE WITH THE CURRENT PROPOSAL.

OSPREY LANDING AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, WE CHECKED WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE AREA HAVE 1.6 TO 3.6 HOMES PER ACRE.

THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TODAY IS ASKING FOR 6.99 PER ACRE, 174 RENTAL UNITS. NEARLY TWICE THE DENSITY OF ANY EXISTING DEVELOPMENT IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

I ASK YOU HONESTLY IS THIS COMPATIBLE? I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE COMMITTEE TO TAKE OUR INPUT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN MAKING YOUR DECISION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS PATRICIA SIMMONS AND I LIVE AT 234 OSPREY MARSH LANE AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

WE DO BELIEF THAT THIS WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THE RESULTING TRAFFIC CONGESTION. THE ESTIMATED PROJECTION FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT IS AN ADDITIONAL 1100 I-TURNS AT THE CORNER OF U.S. 1 AND WATSON ROAD.

THIS U-TURN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE ANALYSIS FROM THE PROVIDER. THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THE

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THIS DOES NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE ADDITIONAL PROJECT TRAFFIC FROM THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE CORNER WHICH WILL ALSO EXIT BETWEEN THE BELLA TERRA EXIT AND WATSON ROAD AND THE PROJECTED TRAFFIC INCREASED FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT NOW IS A MYSTERY TO ALL OF US AND WE HAD NO NO IDEA.

TRAFFIC WILL NEED TO CROSS OVER TO THE LEFT LANE AND MERGE INTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC COMING DOWN U.S. 1 TO MAKE IT TO THE CORNER TO MAKE THE U-TURN. EVEN THOUGH THE DEVELOPER OFFERS TO PROVIDE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTION, WE UNDERSTAND THE FDOT WILL NOT CONSIDER THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

MY QUESTION THAT I STILL HAVEN'T GOT ANSWERED IS HOW CAN THIS PROPOSED ESTIMATED TRAFFIC INCREASE FROM THESE VARIOUS PROJECTS NOT HAVE AN IMPACT? THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THIS TO YOU. YOU ARE OUR ELECTED REPRESENTS AND WE WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS IS POSSIBLE.

THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE CORNER HAS AN EXIT VERY NEAR THE TRAFFIC LIGHT. THIS HAS TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CAUSE BACKUPS COMING INTO AND OUT OF WATSON ROW.

WHAT CHANCE TO THE RESIDENTS HAVE OF GETTING OUT OF THERE IN AN EMERGENCY OR EVACUATION? I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT EMERGENCY MANAGED PEOPLE HAVING COORDINATION WITH DECISIONS REGARDING THIS IN REGARDS TO GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THERE IN AN EMERGENCY. OUR CONCERNS ARE NOT ABOUT INTERFERING WITH ANY INDIVIDUAL OR ANY RIGHTS TO DEVELOP.

CHANGES TO THE AREA ARE BROUGHT ABOUT SUCH A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN DENSITY. THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THESE CONCERNS HERE AS THESE ISSUES AFFECTING ALL OF US ARE DEPENDANT ON THE DECISIONS OF OUR BOARD.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS GHOER YEAH WHITE AND I LIVE AT 949 RIDGEWOOD.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROJECT, WHETHER THEY BE RESIDENCE ACCEPTABLE OR RETAIL. WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH U.S. 1 SOUTH. I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYBODY SAYS, YOU HAVE TO COME AND SEE FOR YOURSELF.

BACK ON FEBRUARY 22ND, IT WAS A WEDNESDAY.

THE LADY THAT SPOKE BEFORE TALKED ABOUT THE ONE THAT HAPPENED RIGHT AT BELLA TERRA DRIVE.

IT WAS SERIOUS ENOUGH THAT THE YOUNG MAN ENDED UP IN SHANS AND THE MARKS ON THE TWO TREES ARE STILL THERE.

TRAFFIC IS MOVING TOO FAST. WHAT IT IS THROUGH THAT WHOLE AREA RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET -- IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTH, RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO BELLA TERRA, THE SPEED LIMIT CHANGES TO 55.

PEOPLE COMING FROM TOWN WERE GOING 45 FOR MILES AND MILES, NOW IT'S 55, THE PEDAL TO THE METAL.

YOU HAVE HOW MANY CARS COMING OUT OF THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX? ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME SAFELY ON TO THE HIGHWAY WITHOUT GETTING KILLED? I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH FDOT AND THEIR CONCERN IS KEEP THE TRAFFIC MOVING.

SAFETY DOES NOT COME FIRST FOR THEM.

IT'S KEEP THE TRAFFIC MOVING. MY POINT WAS TO TRY TO GET THE 55 MILES PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT MOVED JUST SOUTH OF WATSON ROAD.

I HAVE GOTTEN NOWHERE WITH THAT. WE HAVE A MEDIAN WHERE I LIVE WHICH A SHARED BY MAYO CLINIC. ONE EXIT AND THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT LEAST 500 VEHICLES COMING OUT OF THERE AND IT DIDN'T REQUIRE A SECOND EXIT. THAT'S EVENTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LAND TO BUILD HOMES IN THAT AREA. THE WHOLE THING, THE MORE YOU APPROVE, THE MORE WE NEED IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT ROAD, WHETHER IT BE MOVING THE SPEED LIMIT, INSTALLING ANOTHER TRAFFIC LIGHT, WHATEVER IT IS, BUT FROM WILDWOOD TO WATSON,

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>> THIN. >> THINK, K, MA'AM.

>> THINK, K, AK, MNK, M , U, MA. >> GOOD MORNING, I'M CARMEN FRALICK. I'M THE OWNER OF BELLA TERRA.

MY HUSBAND AND I PURCHASED BELLA TERRA SEVERAL YEARS AGO WITH THE NOTION THAT WE WOULD EVENTUALLY SELL IT.

IT'S 15 ACRES, APPROXIMATELY. NATURALLY I'M FOR THE SALE OF THIS. I JUST WANT TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I VIEW HERE AS SOMEWHAT UNFAIR.

WHEN MY HUSBAND CAME UP HERE IN DECEMBER TO SPEAK, YOU CAUTIONED HIM NOT ONCE, NOT TWICE, BUT THREE TIMES NOT TO LOOK AT THE AUDIENCE BUT WHEN MRS. SPIEGEL DID YOU YOU ALLOWED THAT.

I DON'T GET THAT. I THINK THAT'S VERY UNFAIR.

THE OTHER THING IS ONE OF YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE A DUTY TO KEEP OUR TAXES DOWN. THIS COMPANY, TEG ACQUISITIONS HAS AGREED TO CONSTRUCT WATSON ROAD AT THEIR EXPENSE, NOT YOURS. IF THERE IS A NEED FOR SOME IMPROVEMENT, IT'S AT THE WATSON ROAD AND U.S. 1 ENTRANCE.

THERE'S ONE THING THAT I CAN AGREE WITH MRS. SPIEGEL ON AND THAT IS THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR AREA.

IF YOU LOOK IN THE CROWD HERE, THESE ARE MOSTLY SENIORS AND I'M A SENIOR AMONG THOSE PEOPLE BUT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE YOUNGER PEOPLE IN THIS AREA. THEY SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD A HOME THAT'S OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

THIS PROJECT OFFERS YOUNGER PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN HERE. MY OWN DAUGHTER CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTY. SHE HAD TO MOVE OUT.

IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE. SHE REBUTTALED THAT IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WELL, GUESS WHAT, THE PRICES THERE WILL BE AFFORDABLE IF WE PROVIDE HOUSING FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN. IT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM THAT THEY CAN'T LIVE HERE BECAUSE SOME OLDER PERSON WANTS THEIR VIEW IN THEIR BACKGROUND. AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S SOME UNFAIR THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID HERE.

WE TALK ABOUT HOW THIS DOESN'T FIT INTO THE COMMUNITY.

WELL, THEY HAVE NOT MENTIONED MOULTRY OAKS MOBILE HOME PARK AND SOME OF THE OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES

>> I LIVE ON 150 BELLA TERRA. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO TO ENHANCE WHAT GOES ON IN THE COMMUNITY.

I DON'T HAVE ANY CHEAT NOTES LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

I'M SPEAKING FROM THE HEART AND I'M BASICALLY A PRAGMATIC, COMMON SENSE TYPE GUY. NOW, THE ISSUES THAT SEEM LIKE IS COMING UP IS COMPATIBILITY. WELL, DO YOU WANT MINI STORAGES AND STORAGE UNITS UP THERE? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THAT IN THE COMMUNITY. WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE? WHEN WE MOVED THERE, WE HAD NOTHING BUT WOODS BEHIND US.

THAT'S ALL CHANGED NOW. IN 2009, ALL WETLANDS AND NICE, GREAT WOODLANDS, TEN TIMES AS DENSE AS WHAT I HAVE ON MY PROPERTY. THAT'S GONE NOW BECAUSE THEY GOT THEIRS. OTHER PEOPLE NEED THEIRS.

LIKE MY WIFE SAYS, WE NEED YOUTH TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY VIBRANT AND GOING. EVERYBODY WITH ANY REALISTIC IDEA REALIZES THAT WITHOUT GROWTH, INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO STAY STATUS QUO. IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE.

SO, ANYHOW, IT SEEMS LIKE MR. BURNETT AND EVERYTHING, THEY

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THE DENSITY SEEMS TO BE AN ISSUE.

IF IT'S AROUND THE CORNER, IF IT'S HIDDEN FROM YOU, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? I REALIZE THE TRAFFIC THE GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT MORE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY LESS THAN HALF A PERCENT OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE NOW.

IF THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT Y'ALL THAT MUCH, YOU'RE IN THE WRONG AREA. AS YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT OLDER, IF YOU'RE RETIRED, YOU CAN GET THE TIME WHERING THAT TRAFFIC IS NOT GOING TO BE THAT BAD. YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE BAD EARLY IN THE MORNING, LATE IN THE EVENING, MOVE YOUR SCHEDULE AROUND HALF AN HOUR OR SO. I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANYONE IN A WORSE POSITION THAN WHERE YOU ARE NOW.

EVERYBODY WANTS CONVENIENCE BUT IN GENERAL, THIS ENHANCED THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF TAKING AWAY FROM IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

>> BJ CALADY. CITIZEN AGAINST CITIZEN ONCE AGAIN. IT BOILS DOWN TO DENYING THIS BECAUSE IT'S INCOMPATIBLE. THE SPIEGELS SPOKE FOR 40 PEOPLE. I APPRECIATE MORE THAN I CAN SAY THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO GOT UP AND CAME TO THIS MEETING TODAY. I WISH 40 PEOPLE SPOKE.

WE WOULD BE HERE ALL DAY BECAUSE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AREA WHERE THEY LIVE AND THIS HANDS UP DOESN'T COUNT.

ALL 40 OF THEM SHOULD HAVE COME HERE.

SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T GET HERE SO I APPRECIATE WHAT THE SPIEGELS DID AND THEY GOT ALL THE ANSWERS DOWN TO WHY IT SHOULD BE DENIED AND SOMEONE BROUGHT UP ABOUT MR. ALAIMO, HE IS IN DISTRICT THREE. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT VOTE SO I HOPE EVERYONE IN DISTRICT THREE WILL PAY ATTENTION.

SO, IT GETS DOWN TO GREED VERSUS QUALITY OF LIFE.

IT ALWAYS DOES. SO I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE VOTE. GOT 1:40.

WILL IT BE A 3-2 VOTE? I THINK I GOT ONE COVERED.

THE SECOND ONE I'M NOT REAL SURE ABOUT, BUT THE THREE I AM.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT OUT LOUD, EVERYONE CAN FIGURE IT IN THEIR MINDS. JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO THINK ABOUT THAT, PEOPLE. IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

IT WOULD TRULY BE WONDERFUL IF THIS WAS DENIED BECAUSE OF COMPATIBILITY. I DON'T REALLY CARE FOR PEOPLE COMING UP HERE AND TALKING ABOUT THE ELDERLY, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

WHY WOULD THEY BE TALKING ABOUT THE ELDERLY? THAT'S NOT VERY NICE. ALL GOING THAT WAY, FOLKS.

YOUR BIRTHDAYS DON'T GO BACKWARDS, IT GOES FORWARDS.

SO WHAT ARE WE PROVIDING FOR OUR FUTURE.

I CAN'T LIVE IN PONTE VIDRA. I KNOW PEOPLE ARE UPSET I CAN'T BE THERE BUT THERE ARE PLACES I CAN'T LIVE, TOO.

IT'S THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE OVERDEVELOPMENT GOING ON AND ON.

THESE PEOPLE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU THE REASON THIS SHOULD BE DENIED AND I HOPE YOU DO THAT. MAYBE A 3-2? MAYBE A 4-1? IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING.

WE GOT A LISTEN AGAIN FOR A REBUTTAL AND THEN WE CAN'T REBUT THAT. WE'RE MOVING ALONG, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MS. CALADY. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT

ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? >> LORI, 345 MIX MICKLERMICICKL.

I'M A MOM OF THREE IN THEIR 30S. WIN IS A POLICE OFFICER HERE.

MY DAUGHTER IS A DOCTOR, SHE'S HOPING SHE CAN AFFORD ST.

AUGUSTINE BECAUSE WE'RE FAMILY AND WE WANT TO BE TOGETHER.

THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THESE KIDS TO STAY IN OUR COUNTY.

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SO I'M FOR IT BECAUSE MY KIDS NEED A PLACE TO LIVE THAT THEY CAN AFFORD AND THEY'RE PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE.

THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THEM TO LIVE.

SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> NO, SIR. >> I HAD ABOUT TWO SECONDS LEFT.

>> NO, SIR, PLEASE SIT DOWN. >> BRANDON, 42 MARSHOE DRIVE.

TRAFFIC IS BAD EVERYWHERE. IF YOU DENY OR APPROVE THIS, IT'S NOT GOING TO FIX TRAFFIC. DENSITY, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ABOUT ST. AUGUSTINE BUT SEVEN UNITS ISN'T GOING TO FIT ANYWHERE IN AUGUSTINE. AT SOME POINT THERE SHOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEIRS IS OR NOT, I HAVE NOT SEEN THEIR PRICES BUT THE HOUSES ON HALF ACRES OR QUARTER ACRE LOTS ARE NOT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. SIR.

WELCOME MR. SLAVEN. >> THANK YOU.

EDSLAVEN.COM, I THINK THIS IS A DENIAL BASED ON THE DENSITY AND THE SAFETY AND THE MASSIVE NUMBER OF U-TURNS.

I'M TROUBLED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S CURRENT MODE AND MANNER OF DISCLOSING EX-PARTE CONTACTS.

WHY DO YOU EVEN HAVE TO MEET WITH DEVELOPERS? SECRET? BEHIND CLOSED DOORS? NANCY SCHAFFER WAS OUR MAYOR OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND FOR 1550 DAYS, SHE NEVER ONCE, EXCEPT ONCE, ONLY ONCE, DID SHE EVER MEET WITH AN APPLICANT. HER POSITION WAS, AND I THINK SHE'S RIGHT, IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A QUASI MEETING, MEETING EX-PARTE, NOT RECORDING IT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY SAID TO YOU. WHAT COULD THEY SAY TO YOU IN SECRET THAT YOU DON'T WANT US TO KNOW OTHER THAN [INDISCERNIBLE] MR. ALAIMO STATED HIS MEETINGS WERE IN MR. BURNETT'S LAW OFFICE. I THINK THAT'S IMPROPRIETY.

YOU SHOULD MEET HERE IN THE HEADQUARTERS IN ONE OF YOUR OFFICES. WHY WOULD HE MAKE A PILGRIMAGE TO HIS LAW OFFICE FOR A MEETING? I HAVE TWO PIECES OF EVIDENCE THAT I'M GOING TO GIVE TO THE STAFF.

THEY ASK FOR AN AUDIENCE WITH ME TO DISCUSS THIS AND I WILL JUST SAY ON THE RECORD RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW I'M A CANDIDATE FOR COUNTY COMMISSION. I'M NOT MEETING WITH APPLICANTS.

I THINK NANCY SCHAFFER WAS WISE AND RIGHT, BUT WHY WOULD COMMISSIONERS WANT TO MEET WITH DEVELOPERS EX-PARTE.

IF YOU DON'T VIDEO TAPE THESE EX-PARTE MEETINGS WITH DEVELOPERS? WELL, THE FBI MIGHT.

ASK SCOTT MADDOX, THE FORMER MAYOR OF TALLAHASSEE.

THERE'S CORRUPTION OUT THERE. Y'ALL GET CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM DWOERPS AND THEN YOU MEET IN SECRET WITH THEM.DDWOERPS AN IN SECRET WITH THEM. EDWOERPS AND THEN YOU MEET IN SECRET WITH THEM. VDWOERPS AND THEN YOU MEET IN SECRET WITH THEM. ELDWOERPS AND THEN YOU MEET IN SECRET WITH THEM. OPDWOERPS AND THEN YOU MEET IN SECRET WITH THEM. EDWOERPS AND THEN YOU MEET IN SECRET WITH THEM. RDWOERPS AND THEN YOU MEET IN SECRET WITH THEM. SDWOERPS AND THEN YOU MEET IN SECRET WITH THEM. AND THEN YOU MEET IN SECRET WITH THEM. I DON'T LIKE THAT.

THIS IS A DENIAL BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I'M AGAINST SNOB ZONING BUT IN THIS AREA, IT'S OVERBLESSED WITH AUTOMOBILES ON U.S. 1.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH IS RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE NO AND STOP MEETING

WITH DEVELOPERS. >> THANK YOU, MR. SLAVEN.

>> LET US IN THOSE MEETINGS. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. WE ARE BACK TO MR. BURNETT FOR

REBUTTAL. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS. I WILL COMMENT THAT MY CLIENT DID SPEND THE EFFORT REACHING OUT TO THE FOLKS WHO SPOKE IN

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LET ME TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC. I'M GOING TO ASK NELSON TO COME UP HERE, PLEASE, AND NELSON, IF YOU WOULD, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, GIVE YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL THE BOARD YOUR CREDENTIALS SO THEY

KNOW YOUR EXPERTISE. >> NELSON FROM JACKSONVILLE.

I HAVE 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE AS A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

I WORKED ON TRAFFIC SIGNALS, TRAFFIC STUDIES, TRAFFIC SAFETY.

AS FAR AS CAPACITY, ASSESSMENTS SO THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE ITEMS I WORK ON THROUGH THE YEARS.

THIS IS 174 UNITS. >> IF I COULD -- THERE YOU GO.

THANK YOU. >> 174 UNITS.

IT'S ANTICIPATED TO PROJECT 1,190 DAILY TRIPS.

THE TRIPS, A LOT OF THESE ARE STANDARDIZED ITEMS. WE DON'T MAKE UP THESE NUMBERS. WE PULL THEM OUT FROM WHAT'S APPROVED AND WHAT'S REQUIRED BY DOT AND THE COUNTY, SO THE VOLUMES AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, THESE ARE ALL ITEMS WE PACKAGED TOGETHER TO PROVIDE THIS REPORT.

WE DON'T DO CAPACITY ANALYSIS BASE ON THAT NUMBER AND SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE'S 24 HOURS IN THE DAY AND REALLY AFTER MIDNIGHT, THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE. WE LOOKED AT WHAT HAPPENS THIS THOSE PEAK ONE HOUR PERIODS AND DURING THE PEAK A.M. PERIOD, WE'RE ANTICIPATING 77 VEHICLES DURING THE HOUR.

RELATIVELY SPEAKING, THAT'S JUST A LITTLE OVER ONE CAR PER MINUTE ON AVERAGE. NOW, THAT'S NOT COMING FROM US, THAT'S COMING FROM THE STANDARD THAT'S USED BY THE COUNTY, THE STATE, AND REALLY NATIONAL. ALL 50 STATES.

THE P.M. PEAK, IT'S 95 ON AVERAGE.

1.5 VEHICLES PER MINUTE AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT A CYCLE OF TWO MINUTES ON A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. IT DOESN'T SEEM ALL THAT MUCH ON THAT SCALE. THE ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE AT D, THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING WHAT THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE IS. SO TYPICALLY, THE WAY I WOULD EXPLAIN IT TO SOMEONE IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A ROADWAY OR A ROADWAY FACILITY, YOU WANT TO BUILD IT AT LEVEL OF SERVICE C BECAUSE YOU OVERBUILD IT IF YOU'RE TARGETING B OR A.

IF YOU'RE A LEVEL OF SERVICE F, THAT'S MORE TYPICAL OF SATURDAY NIGHT BETWEEN 7:00 AND 9:00 ON KING STREET AND ST. AUGUSTINE OR WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OUT HERE ON A1A THIS WEEKEND.

THAT'S LEVEL OF SERVICE FINISH. COMING INTO THAT, LEAST E IS SOMETHING IF YOU WERE ON A FREEWAY LIKE I-95 AND YOU CANNOT DRIVE AT THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT AND YOU CANNOT ACCELERATE AND YOU CANNOT CHANGE LANES THE WAY YOU WANT TO CHANGE LANES, THAT WOULD BE TOWARDS THE BACK END OF A LEVEL OF SERVICE E.

THE ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE IS D AND THAT'S SET SO WE USE THAT IN LOOKING AT THAT VOLUME AND WE ADD THE VESTED TRIPS AND THEN

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WE DO NOT DECIDE WHAT THAT OPERATIONAL LEVEL IS AND THAT WAS EXPLAINED EARLIER. WHAT WAS DETERMINED TO BE THE

>> THE STUDY AREA, THE COUNTY DICTATES THE STUDY AREA, AND THE ROADWAYS, WE HAVE TO GO LOOK AT. WE PULL A LOT OF THAT NUMBER, IN FACT, ALL OF IT FROM THE COUNTY. AND WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION.

>> I'M SORRY. I KNOW THE CHAIRMAN IS NOT HERE.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WOULD YOU GUYS MIND?

CAN I ASK HIM A QUESTION? >> PLEASE.

>> SO I GUESS-- I UNDERSTAND, OKAY.

IN THE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA, 95 CARS GOING OUT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID IN. >> YES.

>> SO OUT OF THOSE 95 CARS, THERE IS NO WAY TO GET OUT UNLESS YOU GO RIGHT. CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THEN GET OVER QUICK INTO THE LEFT LANE TO MAKE A U-TURN AT WATSON ROAD.

CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> WE ARE IN THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC-- LET'S SAY A FEW, YOU KNOW, GO SOUTH, BUT MOSTLY, THEY ARE GOING TO GO BACK TOWARDS THE CITY. THAT IS A LOT OF U-TURNS.

HOW MANY ACCIDENTS DO YOU HAVE AT U-TURNS? I MEAN, PEOPLE HAVE TO JUDGE THE SPEED OF THE CARS COMING AT YOU.

IS THERE GOING TO BE A SIGNAL, LIKE AN ARROW OR-- FOR A U-TURN? THEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT SIDE PEOPLE TURNING AT THE SAME TIME.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE DONE A LOT OF U-TURNS.

YOU ARE CONSTANTLY WAITING FOR GET A CLEAR SHOT AT GETTING A U-TURN, THEN DOING IT WITH 95 CARS WITH KIDS AT THE SCHOOL.

I MEAN, I'M SORRY. I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT.

>> SURE. >> NELSON, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, JUST CONFIRM PART OF MY RESPONSE.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, THAT MOVEMENT THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT GOING SOUTH AND TURNING AND MAKING A U-TURN TO GO NORTH IS AT A TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE. THAT IS AT WATSON ROAD.

WITH AN EXISTING CENTER TURN LANE THAT HAS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO HANDLE OUR ADDED TRAFFIC, AND AS FAR AS U-TURNS, AND THIS MAY BE UNPOPULAR, BECAUSE IT IS-- I THINK A LOT OF THE TIMES WE LEARN IN LIFE THAT THINGS THAT WE ASSUME HAVE TO BE THE WAY THEY ARE, WE LEARN SOMETIMES THAT OUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE ACTUALLY INCORRECT.

AS FOREIGN AS THIS CONCEPT MIGHT BE, AND I'M STILL TRYING TO COME TO TERMS WITH IT, FRANKLY. THE FDOT PREFERS U-TURN MOVEMENTS, AND SO INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE SAFEST MOVEMENT IS NOW A U-TURN, AND THAT IS WHY FDOT IS PUSHING RATHER THAN INTERSECTIONS, THEY ARE PUSHING R-CUTS.

NELSON, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT? >> THAT IS TRUE.

ANOTHER PROJECT ON STATE ROAD 16 THAT WE HAVE ON STRATTON, IT IS THE WHOLE ACCESS MEDIAN. DOT IS SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU ARE NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE. THEY HAVE A PROJECT GOING ON THERE. TO MODIFY THIS.

SO STRATTON, WHICH IS CURRENTLY A FULL ACCESS ENTRY, WILL BE A RESTRICTED CROSS. IT WILL BE A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. WHICH MEANS WHEN YOU COME OUT OF STRATTON, INTO STATE ROAD 16, YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN AND A U-TURN. SO THIS IS THE DIRECTION THE EXPERTS-- THE TRAFFIC EXPERTS OF THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS MOVING TOWARDS.

IT IS-- THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH REGARDS TO ADDRESSING THESE CROSSINGS AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE OPERATION OF TRAFFIC SIGNAL. WITH REGARDS TO THE U-TURN, AT WATSON-- EMMY. YES, MA'AM.

IT IS SIGNALIZED. IT IS NOT ALLOWED BY LAW TO MAKE A LEFT TURN ON RED. SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THAT LEFT TURN WHEN YOU HAVE A GREEN INDICATION.

NOW, CONCURRENTLY WITH THAT, THE SIDE STREET WILL HAVE A RED

SIGNAL. >> YOU MAKE A RIGHT TURN ON RED, YOU WOULD BE AT FAULT IN YOU HIT THAT DRIVER THAT MADE A U-TURN ON GREEN. WE DID ATTEMPT TO IMPROVE THAT LEFT TURN BASED ON WHAT WE WERE GOING TO ADD WITH REGARDS TO U-TURN, AND ALSO A U-TURN LOOM TO MINIMIZE THE MOVEMENT, BUT D.O.T. DEM NEED US THAT, SAYING THAT YOU HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED AN IMPACT ON THE ROADWAYS. WE DID NOT WANT YOU TO TO BLOCK

ANY IMPROVEMENTS. >> WELL, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE FOR THESE PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

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>> I UNDERSTAND. AT THIS POINT, IT IS ADDRESSING ANY OTHER ITEMS FROM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS STATED BEFORE.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT: WE WILL MOVE ON WITH THE REST OF THE REBUTTAL, THEN. THANK YOU, SIR.

COMMISSIONERS, AS YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T HAVE TO BELABOR THIS POINT, IT IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE TYPICAL MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT, THE TYPICAL LARGE BUILDINGS AND MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, YOU DID HEAR THAT-- I GUESS TESTIMONY THAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED THIS USE.

YOU KNOW THIS ALL TOO WELL. WE NEED MULTIFAMILY IN OUR COUNTY. THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT IN A TYPICAL APARTMENT PROJECT WHERE YOU GET 45 FEET TALL.

THIS IS DOWN IN THE SUB-25 AND SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ARE SUB-20 FEET TALL. I WANT TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF

THINGS ON THE PROJECT, THOUGH. >> YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA HERE, THIS IS THE CLOSEST POINT OF OSPREY LANDING.

YOU CAN SEE ALL UNITS IN LINE WITH THIS WERE ELIMINATED, AND THIS TREE STAND IS CONTEMPLATED TO REMAIN.

AS PART OF THE PROJECT. IF YOU LOOK, THOUGH, AT THIS CROSS-SECTION, YOU SAY, OKAY, WE ARE LOOKING DOWN AT IT.

LET'S TURN IT UP AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT THAT PROFILE WOULD BE.

I GET THIS TO WORK. THIS IS ACTUALLY WHERE WE HAVE COLORED IN THE LAST HOUSE ON GREEN WILLOW LANE.

YOU CAN SEE HOW THE DISTANCE REALLY IMENT PACTS... IMPACTS THIS PROJECT. YOU SEE THE CLOSEST HOME.

THEN THE 60-FOOT BUFFER. THEN THE GREEN SPACE BEFORE YOU GET TO THE STRUCTURE HERE WHICH IS THE PARKING GARAGE FOR SOME OF THE UNITS. THEN YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST UNIT LOCATION. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DISTANCE, WHETHER YOU GO FROM THIS CORNER TO HERE OR WHETHER YOU GO FROM THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE ACROSS.

THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE HOMES AND ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE OTHER SIDE... ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEM.

>> WE LOOK AT THIS VIEW AND WE DID THIS BECAUSE THERE WAS QUESTIONS AT THE PRIOR HEARING ABOUT THE LAKE AND LOOKING ACROSS THE LAKE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PICTURE FROM THAT VIEW. YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSES ON EITHER SIDE. NOW, IN FRONT OF THIS HOME IS ACTUALLY THE ROADWAY SERVING OSPREY LANDING AND THEN A HOME

ON THE OTHER SIDE. >> YOU LOOK AT THAT PROFILE, WITH THE LAKE BEING IN THE MIDDLE, YOU CAN SEE THE HOME-- IT WOULD BE EITHER ONE OF THESE HOMES ON THE BANK.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT HOME, THAT WOULD BE THIS LOCATION.

YOU HAVE THE STREET AND ANOTHER HOME ACROSS THE STREET.

THEN ACROSS THE LAKE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT LAKE IS ACTUALLY TEN FEET OF BUFFER. OUTSIDE OF THE BANK.

TEN FEET OF BUFFER BEFORE YOU GET TO THE FENCE.

THAT SEPARATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM OSPREY LANDING.

THEN YOU WOULD HAVE 60 FEET OF BUFFER.

BEFORE YOU GET TO THE 60 FEET OF BUFFER, THOUGH, WE ARE COMMITTING TO A SIX-FOOT FENCE. THEN YOU HAVE OUR FIRST UNIT.

YOU CAN SEE HOW SIGNIFICANT THE DISTANCE IS BETWEEN THE UNITS.

AND ALSO THERE IS SOME VALUE TO THE FACT THAT THAT IS ONE-STORY PROJECT 25 FEET IN HEIGHT. IF YOU LOOK AT A TYPICAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE, AND YOU IS A TEN-FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER, YOU GET A SCALE OF A 35-FOOT STRUCTURE AS DEPICTED HERE AT 20 FEET. THAT IS 35 FEET TWO-STORY.

VERSUS GOING BACK TO A 70-FOOT SETBACK IN WHAT YOU SEE AS A DIFFERENCE. THEN LAYER IN 60 FEET OF BUFFER.

IT IS A REAL MATERIAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT COULD BE THERE AS A SINGLE-FAMILY PRODUCT VERSUS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IN THIS APPLICATION. AGAIN THAT, 60 FEET, YOU CAN SEE IS MEASURED AS A TAKEOFF IN THE SECOND PHOTO ON THE TOP RIGHT USING THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S DATABASE.

YOU SEE THE TEN-FOOT BUFFER. YOU SEE 60 FEET OFF OF IT.

ARCHITECTURALLY, I'M GOING TO ASK CARLOS RIVERA TO JOIN ME FROM TEG AS I GO THROUGH THIS. YOU CAN SEE SOME ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THEY WERE LOOKING AT IN THE HOMES IN OSPREY LANDING AND HOW THEY COULD MAKE SURE THERE WAS GOOD COMPATIBILITY.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE SUBJECTIVE POLICY A.1, .11 COMES UP A FAIR AMOUNT. LAND DEVELOPMENT, APPROPRIATE IN SIZE AND SCALE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTTIAL AREAS. OBVIOUSLY, SIZE AND SCALE, WE DON'T HAVE LARGE BUILDINGS. TO LOOK AT THIS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF FIRST?

>> YEAH. ABSOLUTELY.

MY NAME IS CARLOS RIVERA. I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE BELLA TERRA PUD. NORWOOD STREET, AM MOHAMMAD KHAI

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AS DOUG MENTIONED, WE ARE PROPOSING A RESIDENTIAL USE IN A MIXED-USE ZONE OF DISTRICT THREE WHICH HAPPENS TO BE SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. NOW, OUR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE SIMILAR IN SCALE TO THOSE FOUND IN BOTH OSPREY LANDING AND WYNTON CIRCLE. THEY WILL BE CONSTRUCTED USING SIMILAR METHODS AND SIMILAR FINISHES.

WE DID A PUBLIC RECORDS SEARCH AND FOUND SOME INFORMATION VIA THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE AND SOME VIE QUA OUR OWN FIELD RESEARCH. THE FOOTPRINTS IN OSPREY LANDING AND WINTON CIRCLE RANGE FROM 1900 SQUARE FEET TO 3,000 SQUARE FEET. WE EXCLUSIVELY EXAMINED THE ONE-STORY BUILDINGS. NOW, THE BUILDING HEIGHTS ON AVERAGE IN OSPREY KRP LANDING AND WINTON CIRCLE ARE 20-FOOT TALL ON AVERAGE WITH MANY BEING HIGHER.

NOW, THE BELLA TERRA RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WILL HAVE A NINE-FOOT BEARING HEIGHT WITH A ROOF VERY COMPARABLE TO ADJACENT COMMUNITIES. NOW, THE TWO-BEDROOM DUPLEX PRODUCT HAS A FOOTPRINT OF 2,38 UNITS.

2,328 SQUARE FEET. WE KEEP HEARING THIS BUILDING HEIGHT OF 25 FEET. THAT IS ACTUALLY OUR LARGEST BUILDING. THAT IS THE AMENITIES BUILDING.

THAT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL HAVE A HEIGHT OF 25 FEET.

OUR TWO-BEDROOM DUPLEX HAS 18 FEET, 11 INCHES.

IT IS SUB-20. THE THREE-BEDROOM HAS 2,270 SQUARE FEET. WITH A MAX HEIGHT OF 19.5 FEET.

AGAIN, THE ONLY BUILDING WITH 25-FOOT HEIGHT IS THE AMENITIES BUILDING. NOW, I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE DENSITY AS IT RELATES TO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

I PULLED A LOT OF PUD RECORDS FROM SOME PROJECTS THAT WERE REFERENCED DURING THE LAST COUNTY COMMISSION HEARING.

I DID FIND SOME DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE QUOTED NUMBERS AND WHAT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE PUDS. SPECIFICALLY, OSPREY LANDING AS ONE EXAMPLE. IT WAS QUOTED AS 2.25 UNITS PER ACRE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 69 UNITS VERSUS THE 19.61 ACRES OF DEVELOPED UPLANDS, THE DENSITY IS ACTUALLY 3.5. 1.25 PER ACRE.

MORE THAN INITIALLY QUOTED. SIMILARLY, THE SUMMER POINT PUD WAS QUOTED AT 2.45. YOU CONSIDER THE DEVELOPED UPLANDS. IT IS ACTUALLY 3.35.

NOW, MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE COMPARING AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY TO FEE-SIMPLE DEVELOPMENTS. TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE. BECAUSE OUR PRODUCT IS MORE REMINISCENT OF THE LATTER THAN THE FORMER.

WE LOOK MORE LIKE A SINGLE-FAMILY COMMUNITY.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE NEARBY MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, WE ARE ACTUALLY RIGT ON PAR.

WE ARE SLIGHTLY LOWER. THE SUMMER BREEZE AND SOMERSET VILLAGE APARTMENTS ARE AT 19.22 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

216 UNITS OVER 23.43 ACRES OF DEVELOPABLE UPLANDS.

THE GRAND RAVINE CONDOS WHICH WERE LISTED IN THE OSPREY LANDING PRESENTATION, I THINK THEY HAD THAT ONE CONFUSED WITH THE COMMUNITY DIRECTLY ACROSS U.S. ONE.

THAT IS ROUGHLY TWO UNITS PER ACRE.

GRAND RAVINE HAS A DENSITY OF 7.7 PER UNITS PER ACRE.

THE COTTAGES AT WINDING CREEK, 184 UNITS OVER 24.6 ACRES OF UPLANDS. THAT IS A DENSITY OF 7.48.

WHEN YOU COMPARE TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PRODUCT ACTUALLY IS, TO TWO OR MORE DIRECT PRECEDENT, WE ARE RIGHT IN LINE.

>> THANK YOU. JUST TO TOUCH ON A FEW MORE POINTS RELATED TO COMPATIBILITY. AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS QUASI-JUDICIAL. WE ARE NOT SEEKING A CONFERENCE.

A PLANNED AMENDMENT. 13 UNITS AN ACRE.

BROAD CATEGORY OF COMPATIBLE USES.

RESIDENTIAL IS COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL.

IT IS MULTIFAMILY, YES. IT IS STILL COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL. ESPECIALLY IN MIXED-USE.

WHAT DO ENOUGH MIXED-USE. YOU LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY. SPECIFICALLY, ON MIXED USE.

IT TALKS ABOUT FILTERING YOUR USES FROM THE CENTER.

THE CENTER HERE IS U.S. 1. WE HAVE THIS U.S. 1 AND THIS HUGE SWATH OF MIXED-USE. RUNNING ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF IT. WE SEE ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT USES ALONG U.S. 1. THE COMMERCIAL, THE RETAIL, THE

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WITH VARIOUS OTHER USES. THEN FILTER OUT FROM THERE.

PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS ACTUALLY GOOD PLANNING.

MULTIFAMILY. IN BETWEEN YOUR COMMERCIAL AND YOUR SINGLE-FAMILY. I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING AS CARLOS JUST DISCUSSED. THE SOMERSET VILLAGE, IT WAS INTERESTING. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE-- I THINK THAT PART OF THE POWER POINT PRESENTATION THAT WAS DONE BY MR. SPIEGEL AS I LOOKED AT THE INFORMATION RELATED TO THAT POWER POINT, THE INFO OF IT, I FELT THAT POWER POINT LOOKED FAMILIAR WHEN I FIRST SAW IT. AND I WENT BACK AND I LOOKED AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING FROM OCTOBER OF 2021. THERE WAS A POWER POINT PRESENTATION IN OBJECTION TO SILVER LEAF'S TRANSMITTAL.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE INFO ON THAT POWER POINT, IT ACTUALLY SHOWS THAT POWER POINT WAS CREATED BY MR. MCNORTHEASTERNY BACK IN THE 2021 TIME FRAME.

IT IS INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE IN THAT PRESENTATION, IT EXCLUDES LOOKING AT-- IT POINTS OUT THE SINGLE-FAMILY SUBDIVISION. IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF SUMMER POINT, THAT PRESENTATION SHOULD POINT OUT SUMMER POINT AS YOU SHOULD DENY BELLA TERRA BECAUSE THERE IS SINGLE-FAMILY IN THIS AREA, AND SINGLE-FAMILY ISN'T CONSISTENT WITH MULTIFAMILY. AND THERE IS NO MULTIFAMILY LIKE THIS. THE OWN EXAMPLE THAT IS IN THERE, SUMMER POINT, IF YOU LOOK DIRECTLY SOUTH OF IT, IS SOMERSET VILLAGE. LET ME STOP FOR A MOMENT.

YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE ALL CONDOS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM SUMMER POINT. LOOK AT SOMERSET QUP VILLAGE.

IT IS YOUR TRADITIONAL THREE-STORY LARGE SIZE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT. I EVEN THINK THIS IS AN AFFORDABLE PROJECT. AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROXIMITY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS F NORTH BUILDING IN SOMERSET QUP VILLAGE. HOW CLOSE IT IS TO SUNSHINE DRIVE. AND THE HOMES THERE.

THERE IS MAYBE TEN FEET ON EACH SIDE.

NO SIGNIFICANT BUFFERING. YOU CAN SEE, AGAIN, FROM THE NORTH, AGAIN, THIS IS MIXED-USE JUST LIKE WE ARE.

THESE USES ARE COMPATIBLE. SINGLE-FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY.

FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH, I EVEN LOOKED ON ZILLOW AND REALTOR.COM, JUST TO SEE WHAT THEY HAD FOR VALUATIONS.

EVERY ONE OF THESE HOUSES ON THIS SHOWS A VALUATION OF $375,000 TO $400,000. SOME OF THEM.

THAT PROJECT IS 9.2 UNITS PER ACRE.

SOMERSET VILLAGE. INTERESTINGLY, YOU DON'T SEE MUCH OF IT WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN U.S. ONE.

IT IS BACK IN THERE. IT IS KIND OF LIKE BELLA TERRA.

IT IS OFF OF U.S. ONE. IT IS BACK IN THERE.

HAS SIMILAR TYPE OF RIGHT DECELERATION LANE LIKE WE ARE PROPOSING FOR BELLA TERRA. REED-LEVEL, YOU DON'T NOTICE THAT PROJECT GOING BY. SHIFTING GEARS, LET'S LOOK AT GREEN WILLOW LANE. YOU WILL RECALL THE LAST MEETING, IT WAS DISCUSSED HOW THIS SUBDIVISION OSPREY LANDING CAME IN NEXT TO THEM. YOU MAY RECALL LAST TIME IN THINKING IT WAS GOING TO HAVE A FENCE AND SOME BUFFERING TAKE PLACE, THIS IS A GOOGLE PHOTO FROM 2011.

THAT IS MR. FRAILIC'S HOME IN THE BACKGROUND.

THIS IS GREEN WILLOW LANE. MOST OF THE LANE WAS CLEARED, CLEAR-CUT. AND FILLED-- THE POND WAS CREATED IN ORDER TO MAKE IT USABLE.

LAND. AGAIN, ANOTHER AERIAL OF THE PROJECT, IF YOU TAKE OUR PROJECT AND YOU SCAN IT OUT, AND LET ME GO BACK TO THIS. YOU CAN SEE, IF YOU FOCUS ON THE PROJECT, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT SHAPE ONCE I COME OUT OF. THIS YOU CAN SEE OUR PROJECT AND HOW IT FITS IN REALLY WITH THIS AREA.

TO THE NORTH, YOU CAN SEE THE PRETTY EXTENSIVE MOBILE HOME PARK THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE PROJECT.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER THAT HAS BEEN RECENTLY REDONE OVER RECENT YEARS.

YOU CAN SEE THE COMMERCIAL OFFERS BUILDING.

YOU CAN SEE THE BELL HAVEN CONDOMINIUM ALMOST DIRECTLY IN THE SAME LOCATION AS OUR PROJECT, THE NORTH PART OF OUR PROJECT, ON THE ENOPPOSITE SIDE OF U.S. 1.

THE CONDOMINIUM PROJECT. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE TOWNHOMES

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THEY ARE ACTUALLY AT 7.78 AND 7.48 UNITS PER ACRE.

AGAIN, A FINAL LOOK AT OUR PROJECT: WE HAVE ACCOMMODATED WHAT THE DIRECTION WAS FROM THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO NOW WHICH WAS TO REDUCE THE UNITS SIGNIFICANTLY AND CREATE REALLY SUBSTANTIAL BUFFERING. AND THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT OUR PROJECT, IT IS ONE OF THOSE ONES WHERE WE REALLY HAVE GOOD SEPARATION FROM US AND OUR NEIGHBORS.

NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE GOOD SEPARATION FROM THE NEIGHBORS, THERE IS EXISTING VEGETATION THERE TO SEPARAE US FROM OUR NEIGHBORS. ONE OF WHICH IS A SPECIMEN TREE ADJACENT TO GREEN WILLOW. WE DON'T HAVE TRAFFIC IMPACTS FROM MY MEASURABLE EXTENT. WE DON'T CAUSE TRAFFIC FAILURES.

IN FACT, WE FIX THE PROBLEM THAT IS EXISTING THAT THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE ON ITS PLAN TO FIX. THE IMPROVEMENTS TO WATSON ROAD.

LOOK AT WATSON ROAD, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ALREAD APPROVED THERE. YOU LOOK AT THE COMMERCIAL ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WATSON ROAD AND U.S. 1 THAT IS FULLY UNDERDEVELOPED NOW. THE SITE INFRASTRUCTURE IS DONE.

IT IS SITTING THERE AS A SITE, AND THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THEN YOU LOOK AT CRESCENT KEY.

EXCUSE ME. CRESCENT TECHNICAL COURT DOWN WATSON ROAD. SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT. THAT HAS ACTUALLY COME TRUE AND HAPPENED. NOW YOU HAVE MORE AND MORE DEVELOPMENT FROM THAT END. THERE IS A NUMBER OF LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOWN THERE THAT USE ITTH FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC IN AND OUT. THEY ARE NOW COMING TO WATSON ROAD, NEEDING TO USE THIS PORTION OF THE ROADWAY THAT WE ARE CONTEMPLATING IMPROVING. WE THINK IT DOES MAKE A PRETTY GOOD DIFFERENCE FOR THE AREA, AND PERHAPS THAT IS WHY WE ARE SITTING HERE IN A POSITION WHERE THE FOLKS AT THE END OF WATSON ROAD WHO ARE PRETTY WELL-INFORMED AREN'T HERE IN OPPOSITION. ONE LAST THING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS VERY CLEAR. I SAW MR. RUGGERI AND HIS WIFE ARE ACTUALLY HERE. THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN CLEARED UP.

WE NOW DO HAVE A LETTER FROM HIM IN SUPPORT.

I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE MATE MATERIALS.

MAYBE IT IS. AND I OVERLOOKED IT.

I KNOW THERE WAS A LETTER THAT CAME IN FROM THE WALDRON FAMILY IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THAT IS IN THE PACKET OR NOT. I DIDN'T SEE IT AS I WAS LOOKING. AND I REALLY THINK THAT YOU HAVE HEARD-- THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU NEED THIS KIND OF PROJECT. THIS IS, I THINK, THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THIS KIND OF PROJECT WHERE IT IS ONE-STORY.

LOW INTENSITY. IT DOESN'T HAVE A MASSIVE SCALE.

IT IS NOT IMPOSING ON ITS NEIGHBORS.

WE HAVE DONE A PHOTOMETRIC ST STUDY.

THE STORMWATER-- WE HAVE ISOLATED LOW-GRADE WETLANDS.

THE WETLAND IMPACTS ARE NOT SIGNIFICANT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE TRADEOFF WHICH IS GETTING STORMWATER OFF OF WINTON CIRCLE.

OFF OF OSPREY LANDING TO FURTHER HELP THOSE TRADITIONALLY BAD PROBLEMS. YES, THE COUNTY DID TAKE A STEP IN FIXING THOSE. IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH WINTON SEASON CIRCLE, YOU WILL SEE WATER SITTING IN A DITCH MOST DAYS. WITH THAT, I'LL BE QUIET AND STOP MY PRESENTATION. IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH QUESTIONS,...

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY.

THE TEAM IS HERE AS WELL. >> THANK YOU.

WE ARE BACK TO BOARD'S COMMENTS AND THOUGHT.

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> LET ME MAKE A FEW COMMENTS AND OBSERVATIONS. AS I HAVE SAID MORE THAN ONCE SITTING HERE, I LIKE TO TRY TO BE TRANSPARENT IN MY THOUGHT PROCESS AND IN MY VOTE. BECAUSE I THINK THE APPLICANT DESERVES THAT. THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE SPOKEN DESERVE THAT. LY START OUT BY SAYING THIS.

I'LL TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT.

IT IS SMALLER THAN SOME OF OUR COUPLE THOUSAND UNIT BIG-SCALE DEVELOPMENTS, BUT IT IS NO LESS IMPORTANT.

IT AFFECTS A LOT OF LIVES. AND A LOT OF DECISIONS.

WITH THAT SAID, 20 YEARS AGO, WHEN I WAS THE FLORIDA WATER AND MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, I DEVELOPED A UNIQUE TALENT OF MAKING DECISIONS THAT OFFENDED EVERYONE.

THE APPLICANT, AND THE OBJECTORS.

USUALLY, IT WAS AGRA BUSINESS VERSUS LARGE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS. I MAY BE LANNING ON THE SAME SPOT HERE THIS MORNING. AND THAT IS BECAUSE I WANT TO

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THE REDUCTION IN UNITS, THE VERY LARGE BUFFER ADDED, AND THE EFFORTS TO TRY TO DEAL WITH D.O. TMPLET.

THAT IS WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. UNFORTUNATELY.

THEY SEEM SOMETIMES TO BE RELUCTANT TO DEAL WITH US AS QUICKLY AS I WOULD HOPE. AND AS COOPERATIVELY.

HAVING SAID THAT, BASED ON THE COMMENTS I MADE AT THE DECEMBER BECAUSE OF THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES, AND I DON'T HAVE TO REVIEW THE NUMBERS. WE HAVE HEARD THEM ALL.

AND THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, I'M STILL-- I HAVE TO LAND IN THE SAME PLACE. AS DECEMBER 6.

I CANNOT VOTE FOR MORE THAN 150 UNITS FOR THIS PROPOSAL.

NOW, AGAIN, THE COMPATIBILITY SOMETIMES IS A LITTLE BIT SUBJECTIVE. MAYBE A LOT SUBJECTIVE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS OF HOMES, THE NUMBER OF ACRES AND FAMILY UNITS AND THE ACREAGE, FOR BELLA TERRA, I HAVE TO SAY THAT THAT IS A LITTLE MORE THAN I THINK REFLECTS MY DEFINITION OF COMPATIBILITY.

SO ANYWAY, I WOULD BE PREPARED TO SUPPORT A MOTION OF NO MORE THAN 150 UNITS. BEYOND THAT, I WOULD HAVE TO RELUCTANTLY VOTE NO. THAT IS MY POSITION.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. WELL ARTICULATED.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS, COMMENTS, OR QUESTIONS FOR OUR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT.

I WOULD LIKE TO VOLUNTEER MY THOUGHTS.

I WILL BE VERY, VERY BRIEF. FOR ME IT IS ABOUT DENSITY.

THE APPLICANT DID A FANTASTIC JOB ABOUT BUFFERS.

I FIND IT TO BE COMPATIBLE IN MANY DIFFERENT AREAS BUT FOR THE DENSITY. I'M A NO VOTE.

AS IT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? COMMISSIONER SNRAIM.

>> YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

LY SAY I'M THANKFUL FOR ALL THE FOLKS THAT CAME OUT TO SPEAK.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU FOLKS REALLY, YOU KNOW, CARE ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY. AND YOU DID YOUR RESEARCH AND CAME OUT HERE TO SPEAK. I REALLY APPRECIATE.

THAT THIS WAS A REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT DECISION FOR ME.

LIKE I SAID, I WAS RAISED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS WITH THE TRAFFIC.

I SEE IT EVERY DAY MYSELF. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

I DO THINK THE DEVELOPER REALLY DID TRY HERE TO WORK WITH FOLKS, TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF UNITS, THE DENSITY, TO PUT IN THE BUFFER. YOU KNOW, AND TO CONSTRUCT THE OFF-SITE WATSON ROAD ORIGINALLY HE REQUESTED.

THAT THEY WOULD FUND IT BUT NOW THAT THEY HAD COMMITTED TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTING IT-- SO YOU KNOW, I DO WANT TO APPLAUD THE APPLICANT FOR REALLY GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY, I BELIEVE, TO WORK WITH THESE FOLKS. I DO BELIEVE WATSON ROAD IMPROVEMENT IS REALLY NEEDED. I DO THINK MULTIFAMILY IS NEEDED. BUT YOU KNOW, I SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS AS MY COLLEAGUES HERE ON THE BOARD.

WITH REGARDS TO DENSITY. IT IS A DIFFICULT DECISION.

ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS A DIFFICULT ONE. I WAS REALLY, YOU KNOW, GETTING COMFORTABLE WITH IT BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAD REALLY, YOU KNOW, TRIED WORK WITH FOLKS. IT JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS WHAT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY HAD WANTED.

I WILL OFFER THE MOTION TO DENY THE PUD BELLA TERRA BASED ON THE TEN FINDINGS OF FACTS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ALAIMO. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT.

PLEASE VOTE. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE VOT-

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. AND WE HAVE A SECOND.

I WANT TO TAKE THE VOTE. WE WILL HEAR COMMENTS AFTERWARDS. FORGIVE ME.

FOR CLARIFICATION. DID YOU MOVE TO APPROVE OR DENY?

>> MOVE TO DENY. OKAY.

WE ARE RESET. PLEASE VOTE AGAIN.

OKAY. THE MOTION TO DENY PASSES 5-0,

MR. BURNETT. >> THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO COMMENT IS OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT HOME OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. COMMISSIONER DEAN HAS A NUMBER OF 150. WE ARE NOW IN A SITUATION WHERE A DENIAL PUTS US IN A PLACE WHERE WE COULDN'T REAPPLY FOR A YEAR. MY I UNDERSTAND THAT MY

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I THINK YOU PENALIZE A PROPERTY OWNER, THOUGH, TO HAVE THE ONE-YEAR REQUIREMENT ON THEM. THEY HAVE NOW DIRECTION AS TO 150 UNITS. THIS MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR SINGLE-FAMILY. TO PENALIZE THEM FOR A YEAR BEFORE THEY CAN RE-FILE AN APPLICATION, I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU RESPECTFULLY, THAT YOU WAIVE THE ONE-YEAR REQUIREMENT.

>> I WILL DEER IF TO THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER.

>> YEAH. I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT.

LIKE I SAID, I FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT REALLY WORKED HARD TO HELP, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THESE FOLKS.

I WOULD BE OKAY WITH WAIVING THAT ONE-YEAR REQUIREMENT.

>> DO WE NEED A MOTION? THANK YOU.

>> YES. THE MOTION MIGHT BE TO WAIVE THE ONE-YEAR TIME LIMITATION ON REFILING A REZONING APPLICATION

FOR THIS PROPERTY. >> OKAY.

I'LL OFFER A MOTION, THEN, TO WAIVE THE ONE-YEAR REQUIREMENT TO-- WHAT WAS THE LAST PART YOU SAID?

I'M SORRY. >> WAIVE THE ONE-YEAR LIMITATION ON FILING THE REZONING APPLICATION.

>> REGARDING WAIVING THE ONE-YEAR LIMITATION FOR THE RESORENNING REQUIREMENT. ON THE PROJECT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. JOSEPH.

IS THERE A SECOND? >> IS THERE A SECOND? IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY.

THE MOTION TO CONTINUE OR TO WAIVE THE ONE-YEAR REQUIREMENT FAILS DUE TO LACK OF A SECOND. I THINK THAT COMPLETES AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1. IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. I KNOW THIS IS NON-AGENDA PUBLIC

[9. Professional Services Agreement - County Administrator.]

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM 1-A.

WE WILL HEAR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND WE WILL TAKE A LUNCH BREAK. WITH THAT SAID, WE WILL MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM 1-A. WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ITEM. WE WILL VOTE ON THAT ITEM.

THEN WE WILL HEAR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER THE ITEM.

THEN WE WILL HAVE A LUNCH BREAK. MR. MIGUT?

WELCOME. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

DAVID MIGUT, COUNTY ATTORNEY. I HAVE A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY. THIS IS VERY RECENT.

ON FEBRUARY 7, JUST FOUR WEEKS AGO, THE BOARD AUTHORIZED THE CHAIR, CHAIRMAN WHITE THUNDERSHOWERS NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH COUNTY COMMISSIONER CONRAD AND TO BRING IT BACK BEFORE THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION.

THOSE TWO GENTLEMEN MET. AFTER THEY CAME TO PROPOSED TERMS, I DRAFTED LANGUAGE FORMALIZING THE RESULTS OF THE NEGOTIATIONS. EACH BOARD MEMBER HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE CHANGES AND INDIVIDUALLY DISCUS THEM WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT VERY BRIEFLY THE KEY CHANGES IN THE PROPOSED CONTRACT.

THE PROPOSED CONTRACT IS SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO MR. CONRAD'S EXISTING CONTRACT. HERE ARE THE CHANGES.

THE TERM WHICH WAS SET TO EXPIRE THIS DECEMBER 31 WITH EVEN CLOSER DEADLINE OF JUNE 30 ON THE BOARD, IF THEY WANTED TO TAKE CERTAIN ACTION WOULD BE UPDATED IN THE NEW CONTRACT TO NOW EXPIRE ON DECEMBER 31, 2026. WITH THE RENEWAL TERM OF THREE YEARS. CURRENTLY, THE RENEWAL TERM OF THE EXISTING CONTRACT IS TWO YEARS.

A PROPOSED SALARY INCREASE APPROXIMATELY 4.4%.

COUNTY-PAID DEFERRED COMPENSATION, STANDARD FOR EXECUTIVE CONTRACTS ACROSS THE STATE IS BEING CHANGED FROM A SET AMOUNT. CURRENTLY, $7,500 TO A PERCENTAGE OF SALARY, 5%. AROUND THE STATE, THAT NUMBER IS TYPICALLY BETWEEN 7% TO 10% ON AVERAGE.

5% IS PROPOSED HERE. THE AMOUNT OF NOTICE THAT MUST BE PROVIDED BY THE ADMINISTRATOR IF HE WANTS TO VOLUNTARILY RESIGN WOULD BE AN INCREASE FROM 90 TO 120 DAYS.

THE LAST ITEM IS ONE ADDITIONAL WEEK OF PAID VACATION TIME PER YEAR PROVIDED TO THE ADMINISTRATOR.

I COULD GLADLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I KNOW THAT THE CHAIR AND THE ADMINISTRATOR DID THE ACTUAL NEGOTIATING. I'M GOING TO STEP OVER THERE AND IF ANY QUESTIONS COME UP, I WILL GLADLY ANSWER THEM.

AT THIS POINT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU TO DISCUSS WHATEVER YOU MAY WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT THE PROCESS.

>> SURE. I HAVE A VERY BRIEF COMMENT.

ESSENTIALLY, COMING INTO THIS NEGOTIATION, WE KNEW THAT MR. CONRAD WAS ONE OF THE LOW LOWEST-PAID COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS. THIS CONTRACT KEEPS HIM THE

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RESPECTING THE ENORMITY OF THE JOB, I FEEL LIKE MR. CONRAD DIDN'T ASK FOR A LOT. I CERTAINLY DIDN'T GIVE A LOT.

I WOULD WANT TO OPEN IT UP TO THIS BOARD BEFORE DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE. ANY COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS TO BE

EXPRESSED? >> IF I MAY.

THERE IS ONE POINT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, AND THEN THERE MAY BE FURTHER DISCUSSION. BUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS SORT OF UNIQUE IN A POPULATION DEMOGRAPHIC SENSE BETWEEN CITIES AND COUNTIES. OKAY? I'LL GIVE YOU TWO EXAMPLES. LEON COUNTY, I.E., TALLAHASSEE, THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 98,000 PEOPLE LIVING IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA. I THINK THE COUNTY IS NOW ALMOST 400,000. MOST OF THE POPULATION IS CENTERED IN TALLAHASSEE, A CITY. NOT THE COUNTY.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS MONROE COUNTY.

AND THEY ONLY HAVE 38,000 LIVING IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF MONROE COUNTY. AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR MAKES $245,000. BASICALLY, TAKING CARE OF THE NEEDS OF 38,000 IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA, FOR THE MOST PART. I THINK WE HAVE-- I WOULD HAVE TO GUESS, LET'S JUST ASSUME WE ARE AT LEAST AT $300,000 TODAY, PROBABLY MORE. WE ONLY HAVE TWO SMALL MUNICIPALITIES, OF COURSE. EVERYONE KNOWS.

ST. AUGUSTINE AND ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH.

ON A GOOD DAY, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO EXCEED 25,000.

MAYBE 20,000. I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT MOST PEOPLE WHO DON'T FOLLOW THE INS AND OUTS OF THE BAC BUREAUCRACY, EACH OF US DEAL WITH PROBLEMS ALL OVER THE COUNTY.

WE RUN COUNTY-WIDE. WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD SAY THAT FLS I'LL ADD THAT I'M COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONTRACT TO EXTEND MR. CONRAD'S EMPLOYMENT WITH THE COUNTY. I THINK HE HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB IN A LOT OF AREAS. I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, TOO, WHEN HE BECAME THE PERMANENT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS FEBRUARY OF 2020, JANUARY OR FEBRUARY OF 2020, WE DIDN'T KNOW IT SITTING HERE THEN, AND OBVIOUSLY, I WAS THE ONLY SITTING COMMISSIONER AMONG US THEN IN 2020.

EARLY 2020. WHO KNEW? WE WERE BOMBARDED WITH COVID-19. WE HAD TO TAKE EMERGENCY ACTION.

BECAUSE THE LOCAL DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH OFFICE WAS UNABLE, BASED ON A LACK OF STAFF OR A LACK OF RESOURCES, TO PROVIDE TESTING IMMEDIATELY, AND IT CREATED A MAJOR CHAOS.

THE LINES WERE BLOCKED UP FOR NOT JUST BLOCKS, BUT I THINK OVER A MILE WITH PEOPLE IN THEIR MID--70S MID-80S, THERE WITH NO WATER OR REST ROOM FACILITIES. WE STEPPED IN AT HUNTER'S SUGGESTION. WE GOT THAT PUT TOGETHER WITHIN A WEEK. COVID WASN'T ENOUGH.

THEN WE HAD THE HURRICANES. WHEN WE HAD ADDITIONAL HURRICANES, YOU HAVE SEEN OUR EMERGENCY TEAM IN ACTION.

THAT WAS UNDER CONRAD. I COULD GO ON.

IN FACT, I HAVE A LIST OF ABOUT 30 DIFFERENT MAJOR AREAS WHERE I WOULD HIGHLIGHT HIS EXPERTISE AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

FOR THE MOMENT, I WANT TO, AGAIN, LET EVERYONE KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM. BEFORE WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

THAT IS MY POSITION AND MY COMMENT ABOUT-- BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE REALLY DOING IS LOOKING AT HIS RESPONSIBILITY-- IN MY MIND, WE ARE LOOKING AT HIS RESPONSIBILITIES VERSUS OTHER COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS FROM AROUND THE STATE.

THAT IS THE ONLY FAIR WAY TO JUDGE COMPENSATION.

I DON'T THINK HE SHOULD BE OVERPAID.

I DON'T THINK HE SHOULD BE MOSTLY UNDERPAID EITHER.

GIVEN HIS RESPONSIBILITIES. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> OKAY. LET ME JUST, YOU KNOW-- I JUST COUNTED 57 EMAILS OF NOT WANTING TO RENEW HIS CONTRACT OR GOING BACK TO WHEN HE WAS HIRED, AND THAT IS REALLY MY RESPONSIBILITY TO. EVALUATE HIM ON HOW I HAVE EXPERIENCED HIM SINCE NOVEMBER, AND I HAVE SEEN A REALLY RESPONSIVE PERSON WHOK A LULLLY GIVES ME A LOT OF FREEDOM TO GO AROUND THROUGH THE OFFICE AND DIRECTLY TALK TO MIKE ROBERSON OR THE TRAFFIC OR, YOU KNOW-- I HAVE THE FREEDOM THAT A LOT OF OTHER ADMINISTRATORS MAY NOT HAVE GIVEN KNOW ACTUALLY DIG

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I KIND OF THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE UNTIL JUNE TO NEGOTIATE WITH HIM. REALLY THIS CONTRACT IS BEING LOOKED AT TEN MONTHS IN ADVANCE OR TO JUNE.

I DO HAVE A PROCEDURAL PROBLEM WITH THAT.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING, BUT MR. MIGUT, WHAT IS THAT? THAT RULE?

>> YOU CANNOT ABSTAIN FROM VOTING UNDER FLORIDA LAW UNLESS

YOU HAVE AN ETHICAL CONFLICT. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. THAT IS WRITE STAND.

THAT IS WHERE I STAND. >> TO THAT POINT SINCE YOU RAISED IT BEFORE WE GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. MIGUT, AT OUR FEBRUARY MEETING, WHERE WE DECIDED TO TURN TO THESE NEGOTIATIONS, YOU SAID WE COULD LOSE SOME OF OUR RIGHTS BY WAITING UNTIL JUNE. THAT WAS A COMMENT YOU MADE ON THE RECORD. COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT TO

ME? >> SURE.

THE TWO-YEAR RENEWAL TERM CURRENTLY IN ARTICLE 3 OF THE CONTRACT, IT GOES-- THE DISCRETION GOES, THE BOARD HAS 180 DAYS PRIOR TO EXPIRATION WHICH MAY NOT BE JUNE 30.

IT MIGHT BE JULY 1 OR JULY 2. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE.

IF THE BOARD DOES NOT EXERCISE ITS RIGHT NOT TO RETHROUGH AT THAT POINT, THEN THE DISCRETION IS COMPLETELY WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE REST OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.

WHETHER OR NOT HE WANTS TO RENEW THE CONTRACT.

YOU KNOW, YOU MAY WANT TO RENEW IT.

YOU LOSE YOUR AUTHORITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OR AVAIL YOURSELVES OF THAT CONTRACTUAL POWER THAT YOU HAVE IF YOU DON'T ACT BY THE END OF JUNE OR THE FIRST WEEK OF JULY.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOU CAN ONLY TAKE THESE ACTIONS IN THE SUNSHINE. WE ARE DOWN TO A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED DAYS UNTIL YOU LOSE A RIGHT AND YOU WILL ALL MEET TWICE A MONTH. I DON'T THINK-- IT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT IT GETS RISKY IF YOU WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE ON A CONTRACT LIKE THIS. IT IS NOT LIKE THE CONTRACT THAT CURRENTLY EXPIRES IN 2027, 2025, EVEN.

IT EXPIRES DECEMBER 31 OF THIS YEAR.

WITH THAT PREVIOUS DEADLINE AROUND JUNE 30 THAT I JUST MENTIONED. WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO WHEN ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN. I DON'T THINK THE BOARD IS COMPROMISING ITS NEGOTIATING POWER OR ANYTHING BY NEGOTIATING A FEW MONTHS AHEAD OF TIME. I THINK TO THE OPPOSITE, YOU ARE MINIMIZING THE RISK OF LOSING YOUR RIGHTS UNDER THE CONTRACT.

>> THANK YOU FOR COLLAR FIG. WE DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO IT WHEN WE HAD THE COMMENT AT THE TIME.

>> ONE OTHER QUESTION. SINCE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY THIS IS NOT JUST A TWO-YEAR CONTRACT.

AND I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE PAST ADMINISTRATORS' CONTRACTS.

IT SEEMS TO LINE UP WITH ELECTIONS.

SO SINCE THE COMMISSIONERS ARE THE ONES WHO GIVE ADVICE AND DIRECTION TO THE ADMINISTRATOR, IF WE HAVE IT TOO LONG, THEN YOU ARE REALLY GOING TO MISS THE NEW COMMISSIONERS AND GET THEIR OPINION ON WHAT SHOULD BE DONE WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR.

THAT IS MY ONLY COMMENT. WHY ISN'T IT TWO YEARS AT A TIME? FOR RENEWAL.

>> WELL, I KNOW THIS. FOR ME, AS ONE SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, WE CAN FIRE THE ADMINISTRATOR ANY FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAY OF THE MONTH. THE ADMINISTRATOR WORKS AT OUR PLEASURE. WE CAN FIRE HIM AT ANY TIME.

IF HE IS NOT DOING HIS JOB. WE HAVE SEEN THAT AX FALL.

IN RECENT HISTORY. WHETHER IT IS A TWO-YEAR CONTRACT OR A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT.

THERE IS NO GUARANTEE. THERE IS NO CERTAINTY THAT THE ADMINISTRATOR WILL CONTINUE DOING HIS DUTIES IF THE BOARD-- WHATEVER SHAPE THAT BOARD MAY TAKE IS NOT PLEASED WITH HIS PERFORMANCE. WE ALWAYS RESERVE THAT RIGHT.

I THINK OUR ADMINISTRATOR AND EVEY ADMINISTRATOR HAS INCENTIVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE PERFORMING AT A HIGH LEVEL.

WHETHR IT IS A SIX-MONTH CONTRACT OR TWO-TWO YEAR-CONTRACT. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD WANTS TO

SPEAK. >> THANK YOU.

MR. MIGUT, I RECEIVED SEVERAL-- GOSH, MAYBE 50 OF THE SAME CARBON COPY, COPY AND PASTE EMAILS.

SOME REFERENCED THAT PERHAPS THERE WAS A VIOLATION ON TITLE 7. COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME?

>> SO I WAS NOT HERE IN 2020. I WASN'T PERSONALLY INVOLVED WITH THE NEGOTIATIONS. HOWEVER, TIET 7... TITLE 7 OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964. I HAVE PERSONALLY LITIGATED CASES LIKE THIS BEFORE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

I'M HAVE VERY FAMILIAR WIT. THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN AGGRIEVED PERSON. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT BOARD CHOSE TO HIRE MR. CONRAD WITHOUT ANY OTHER APPLICANTS.

THEREFORE, IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE THAT THERE WAS AN AGGRIEVED PERSON. THAT AGGRIEVED PERSON WOULD HAVE HAD TO ALLEGE THAT THEY WERE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BASED ON THEIR RACE, GENDER, OR A FEW OTHER PROTECTED CLASSES IN

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>> THANK YOU FOR. THAT AS SOMEON WHO WASN'T HERE IN 2020 EITHER, I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

SO I'M-- THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY OTHER THAN I'M IN FAVOR OF RENEWING MR. CONRAD'S CONTRACT. HE HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT GOOD TO ME. HE RUNS A TIGHT SHIP.

I WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM VICE CHAIR. TAKE US TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT,

PLEASE. >> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 1-A.

ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS.

EACH PERSON SHALL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD RULES OF DECORUM.

EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES.

NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR WITH BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR.

MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS. FINALLY, ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS OVERHEAD MATERIAL, PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OR CLERK OF COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD. THANK YOU.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, TO KEEP THE BOOKS STRAIGHT, I THOUGHT THAT WE MOVED NUMBER 9 UP, BUT IT IS STILL NUMBER 9.

I THOUGHT THAT NUMBER 11 ON CONSENT WAS MOVED TO 1-A.

WHAT DID I MISS? >> COMMISSIONER DEAN, THIS NUMBER 9 WAS MOVED TO 1-A. WE ARE HERE E HEARING THAT NOW.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE. I GOT CONFUSED THERE BY THE CON SEN AGENDA ITEMS. WE ARE GOOD.

THIS IS 1-A. SORRY.

>> NO, SIR. BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY.

>> I DON'T WANT TO GET SCREWED UP.

>> I AGREE. >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.

TREY ASNER. 37 MAGNOLIA DRIVE.

LET IT BE CLEAR, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO RENEWAL OF MR. CONRAD'S CONTRACT INDEFINITELY. I'M A POSED TO HIS CONTRACT BEING RENEWED EARLY BEFORE A PROPER INVESTIGATION IS UNDERTAKEN INTO MY FORCED RESIGNATION FOR DOING THE JOB THIS COUNTY HIRED ME TO DO. AND THE ERADICATION OF THIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE. I STAND BEFORE THIS COMMISSION AS A PROUD ST. AUGUSTINE RESIDENT WHO WAS BORN HERE, CONCERNED ABOUT THE DIRECTION THIS COUNTY IS HEADING TO IF WE DON'T RESPECT AND PRESERVE OUR HISTORY.

I WORKED WITH WONDERFUL CITIZENS SUCH AS GARY COLLETTE, JENNA BAKER DENNIS AND T.J. JACKSON TO RECOGNIZE, INTERPRET, AND PRESERVE OUR HISTORY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

PRESERVATION IS ABOUT PEOPLE. IT IS ABOUT HOW THE STORY OF US AS TOLD BY OUR HISTORIC PLACES AND NATURAL LANDSCAPES.

IT IS ABOUT CREATING A SUSTAINABLE FUTURE WHERE WE BRIDGE OLD AND NEW AS WE FACE INEVITABLE GROWTH AND CHANGE IRONICALLY, IT WAS MY HONESTY AND MY PASSION FOR WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC, GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT EXIST IN A VACUUM WHICH LED TO MY OUSTER UNDER MR. CONRAD'S ADMINISTRATION UNDER VAGUE ACCUSATION OF PUBLIC INTERACTIONS.

HOWEVER, IT WASN'T ABOUT ME. IT WAS ABOUT THE OFFICE I HELD.

WELL, I WAS WALKED OUT. THE COUNTY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM WAS DUMPEDST, TOO.

NOW, WHY WOULD ADMINISTRATION DO SUCH A THING? BECAUSE THE OFFICE WAS VIEWED UNREASONABLY AS AN OBSTACLE TO THEIR GOALS OF DEVELOPMENT. THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY WHO WANTED TO WORK WITH ME TO PROTECT LOCAL HERITAGE WERE ON OBSTACLE TO DEVELOPMENT. I WAITED FOR SIX MONTHS FOR THE INSPECTOR-GENERAL'S REPORT IN THIS CASE.

I FIND OUT AS IT SEEMS THAT THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION AT ALL. I WAS STRUNG ALONG.

THE PUBLIC AND THE GOOD HARD-WORKING STAFF HERE DESERVE BETTER. THEY DESERVE ACCOUNTABILITY.

I DID GO TO H. TRVMENT DAY AFTER I WAS FORCED TO RESIGN AND EXPRESSED MY SAME CONCERNS I'M EXPRESSING TO YOU NOW AND BEFORE. I RECOMMENDED THIS BOARD NOT RENEW MR. CONRAD'S CONTRACT EARLY UNTIL THERE IS A PROPER INVESTIGATION TO ADDRESS THE RETALIATION AGAINST MY OFFICE, THE OBSTRUCTION OF THE RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD'S DUTIES, AND AN EXPLANATION OF WHY THE HISTORIC RESOURCE MANAGEMENT OFFICE WAS DISSOLVED. IT IS IN THE PUBLIC'S B BEST IS INTEREST, THE SITUATION IS DIRE. PLEASE DO NOT BE COMPLICIT.

AND REMEMBER THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME.

THIS IS ABOUT THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

AND PRESERVING OUR HISTORY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MATT SLAVEN. I AGREE.

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MARCH 3, SOMETHING AWFUL HAPPENED.

OUR CLERK OF COURTS AND COMPTROLLER RELEASED, FIRED.

THE INSPECTOR-GENERAL. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DIDN'T KNOW. NONE OF Y'ALL KNEW.

AND THE CLERK OF COURTS KEPT THAT FROM YOU.

THIS PROPOSED CONTRACT WITH... IT IS A CONTRACT VIOLATION OF PUBLIC POLICY. UNDER SECTION 178 OF THE REF STATEMENT OF CONTRACT SECOND. IT WAS A ILLEGAL CONTRACT TO BEGIN WITH. WHEN YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY SEARCH FIRM AS OUR FORMER MAYOR OF ST. AUGUSTINE...

>> THAT IS SLANDEROUS. >> IT IS TRUE.

>> NO. >> YOU DON'T GET TO

EDITORIALIZE. >> MR. SLAVEN?

>> THERE SHOULD BE A NATIONAL SEARCH.

GARY SNOD GRASS IS A FORMER EXECKIVE IN CORPORATE AMERICA.

THERE IS NO PRINCIPLED REASON NOT TO HAVE A SEARCH.

THERE WAS NO REASON NOT TO CONSIDER BLACKS OR WOMEN OR CURRENT EMPLOY EASY. WHY DIDN'T WE EVEN CONSIDER JOY? WHY DIDN'T WE DESIGNATE JOY AS THE ACTING COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THEN DO A SEARCH? THERE WAS NO SEARCH.

THERE WAS A SUNSHINE VIOLATION. ABSOLUTE SUNSHINE VIOLATION.

>> SLANDEROUS AGAIN. >> IT IS TRUE!

>> YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER. >> YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER!

>> IN 2020, WHEN THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATOR WAS HIRED, THE OPINION WAS GIVEN BY THE THEN COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT THE NEGOTIATION BETWEEN THE COUNTY COMMISSION CHAIR AND THE PROPOSEDDED A MONEY SAY THERE OR THE WAS A SUNSHINE MEETING.

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. THIS TIME.

WHY? THERE WAS NO WRITTEN OPINION FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SOMEHOW REVERSING THE OPINION OF PATRICK FRANCIS MCCORMICK THAT IT WAS A SUNSHINE MEETING.

THAT WAS WRONG. AND WHEN WE HAVE A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WHO IS UNQUALIFIED, WHO DIDN'T MEET THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS SET FORTH IN THE ORDINANCE, THAT IS WRONG.

AND WHEN WE DON'T CONSIDER THE FACT THAT HE HAS A HOSTILE WORKING ENVIRONMENT DIRECTED AGAINST PERSONS ENGAGED IN FIRST AMENDMENT-PROTECTED ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING ME, AND PEOPLE WHO SPEAK HERE, HE ACTUALLY SAID TWO YEARS IN A ROW, TWO YEARS IN A ROW AT OUR BUDGET MEETINGS, HE SAID TO ME, "I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. I WORK FOR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONS." HE MAY BE ONE...

>> ADDRESS TO THE BOARD, PLEASE. >> HE IS NOT QUALIFIED.

HE WASN'T QUALIFIED THEN. AND THE CHAIRMAN HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. HE IS AN OLD FRIEND OF MR. CONRAD. AND IN 2020, BEFORE HE RAN FOR OFFICE, IT IS CHAIRMAN APPEARED HERE AND SAID "WE DIDN'T NEED A NATIONAL SEARCH BECAUSE-- WELL, WE MIGHT HIRE SOMEBODY THAT DIDN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HASTINGS AND PONTE VEDRA." THAT DOG WON'T HUNT.

THIS IS CORRUPT. THE F.B.I. NEEDS TO INVESTIGATE.

THE FIB NEEDS TO INVESTIGATE! >> IT IS OKAY.

MADAM CHAIR. I WANT TO STOP PUBLIC COMMENT FOR A MINUTE. BECAUSE WE DESERVE TO KNOW-- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A MAN WHO JUST SPOKE, HE IS RUNNING FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONER. HE IS COMING UP HERE ACCUSING THE COUNTY OF MANY THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE ON A REGULAR BASIS.

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW WHO JUST SPOKE AND THE CREDIBILITY OF THE PERSON THAT JUST SPOKE. I'M GOING TO READ SOMETHING FROM THE SUPREME COURT OF TENNESSEE THAT WAS ISSUED MAY 17, 2006.

THIS IS ABOUT THE DISBARMENT OF EDWARD SLAVEN.

ON MAY 12, 2006, THE SUPREME COURT OF TENNESSEE DISBARRED EDWARD SLAVEN JR. FROM THE PRACTICE OF LAW.

HE ENGAGED IN MISREPRESENTATION AND DECEIT TO THE COURTS AND HIS CLIENTS. HE FAILED TO PRESERVE CLIENT PROPERTY. HE CHARGED EXCESSIVE FEES.

VIOLATED COURT ORDERS. DEMONSTRATED INCOMPETENCE AND LACK OF DILIGENCE AND WAS FOUND TO HAVE ABUSED THE LEGAL PROCESS BY HABITUALLY VIOLATING THE TENNESSEE SUPREME COURT RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT AND PRIOR CODE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY WITH REGARD TO HARASSMENT AND INTIMIDATION OF OFFICERS OF THE COURT, OPPOSING COUNSEL, AND THE FILING OF ABUSIVE, INSULTING, INTRUE... UNTRUE AND UNPROFESSIONAL STATEMENTS REGARDING JUDGES, LITIGANTS AND OPPOSING COUNSEL.

THAT IS THE PERSON WE HEARD FROM TODAY.

THAT IS THE SAME PERSON THAT GOT DISBARRED IN 200 # 6.

I DON'T THINK THIS PERSON WHO IS MAKING WILD ACCUSATIONS ON A REGULAR BASIS AGAINST ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS ANY CREDIBILITY IN MY EYES. I WOULD ADVISE ANYBODY TAKING ADVICE FROM HIM TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS.

WITH THAT, WE CAN RESUME PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT

ON AGENDA ITEM 1-A? >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. 4370 COASTAL HIGHWAY.

MAYBE WE ALL NEED TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH HERE.

I'M NOT QUIBBLING ABOUT MR. CONRAD'S SALARY.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMING OF DOING THIS VOTE.

I THINK WE CAN SEE THAT THERE IS ISSUES INVOLVED IN THE TIMING.

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COMPASSIONATE ST. AUGUSTINE HAS LONG BEEN INTERESTED AND IS NOW CONCERNED ABOUT UNDERSTANDING, RESPECTING, AND CELEBRATING OUR BLACK HISTORY, OUR CIVIL RIGHTS HISTORY.

OUR COUNTY HAS A REALLY GOOD LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WE NEED TO FOLLOW IT. WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR CIVIL RIGHTS AND BLACK HISTORIC SITES LIKE THE O'NEILL-HURSTON HOUSE.

WE LOSE A PART OF OUR SOUL AS A COUNTY, WHEN THEY ARE REPLACED BY ANOTHER AIR BNB OR CONDO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL HAPPENED TO THE CULTURAL RESOURCE COORDINATOR.

WHO I UNDERSTAND WAS FORCED TO RESIGN.

OR TO THE INSPECTOR-GENERAL WHO IS NOW NO LONGER WORKING.

BUT THE DAYS OF FORGETTING ABOUT THESE KIND OF OCCURRENCES ARE OVER. THE COUNTY HS HAS A GOOD LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHICH INCLUDES A CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BO BOARD, AND WE, AS CITIZENS WILL DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO SUPPORT THE COUNTY. AND FOLLOWING THIS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS INCLUDES HOLDING YOU ACCOUNTABLE WHEN WE THINK YOU ARE MISSING THE MARK.

UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECTING OUR BLACK AND CIVIL RIGHTS HISTORY IS CRITICAL NOT JUST FOR OUR BLACK CITIZENS BUT ESPECIALLY FOR WHITE CITIZENS. IF WE ARE TO HAVE A TRULY COMPASSIONATE CITY, WHICH I REPRESENT HERE THIS MORNING, THEN WE MUST UNDERSTAND OUR P PAST.

I URGE THE COUNTY COMMISSION TO AFFIRM THAT THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD IS TO BE RESPECTED IN ITS DUTIES AND GIVEN THE POWER AND PRIVILEGES EXPRESSED IN THE COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. I HOPE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL TAKE AN ACCORD FREEDOM TRAIL RIDE TO TOUR AND EXPERIENCE THE RICH RESOURCES OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY AND THE SITES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, MANY OF WHICH ARE AT RISK.

THIS IS A GRAVE CONCERN TO ME. BY THE WAY, IF YOU NEED A FINANCIAL REASON TO DO THIS, THEN JUST LOOK TO SOME OF THE SOUTHERN CITIES WHO HAVE REALIZED THAT CELEBRATING THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS HISTORY IS GOOD FOR TOUR ISM.

YOU CAN LOOK AT MEMPHIS, ATLANTA, RICHMOND, AND I ASK THEM HOW THIS WORKED FOR THEM. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MS. BULLOCK. TO CLARIFY, WE ARE TALKING AND DISCUSSING AGENDA ITEM 1-A. THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S CONTRACT. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> COULD I ASK A QUESTION, MR. ÚCHAIRMAN?

>> WE ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> IT HAD TO DO WITH THE LAST-- IT IS REALLY QUICK.

I WANT TO CLARIFY TO THE COMMUNITY THAT I DON'T THINK WE ARE MAKINGTO HIDE THE AFRICAN-AN HISTORY IN OUR COUNTY.

WE AREN'T DOING THAT INTENTIONALLY AT ALL.

I MEAN, I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

>> DORIS TAYLOR. 208-- IF I MIGHT SPEAK.

AT THE RISK OF BEING SUBJECTED TO A PERSONAL ATTACK, I-- A FRIEND OF MINE SENT AN EMAIL REGARDING HUNTER CONRAD'S CONTRACT, AND THE RESPONSE FROM COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST WAS, "DO YOU HAVE A REASON TO BE CONSIDERING OTHER PEOPLE?" WELL, I DO. SPECIFICALLY, ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT HE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE THE PREREQUISITE QUALIFICATIONS, I GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLE OF A SIGNIFICANT ERROR MR. CONRAD'S ADMINISTRATION COMMITTED WHICH IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE OUT-OF-CONTROL BUILDING AND LACK OF ATTENTION TO INFRASTRUCTURE TO SERVE IT. THIS CHART, WHICH I FOUND ON THE BCC WEBSITE, HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO DEVELOPERS FOR THEIR USE IN PLANNING THEIR PROJECTS.

DEVELOPERS REFER TO THIS CHART SPECIFICALLY IN THEIR PRESENTATION TODAY. I POINTED OUT THAT IT IS MISLEADING. YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE PUBLISHED DATE OF APRIL 4, WHICH IS CONVENIENTLY USED BY THE DEVELOPERS LEADING PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THAT THOSE ARE MORE CURRENT NUMBERS, AND THEY ARE MAKING THEIR DECISIONS ON THEIR PRESENTATIONS BASED ON THAT INFORMATION.

OUT-OF-DATE INFORMATION. THIS IS BAD FOR THE DEVELOPERS.

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WE WHO LIVE HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THAT IS AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF SOMEBODY GETTING A JOB WITHOUT CONSIDERING ANY ALTERNATIVES.

THAT IS BAD MANAGEMENT ON THE PART OF THIS COMMISSION.

AND IT REFLECTS BADLY ON THE JOB APPLICANT, AND HE SHOULD BE AN APPLICANT. AND WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT OTHER PEOPLE. THIS EGREGIOUS ERROR HAS CONTRIBUTED TO OTHER BAD DECISIONS AS WELL.

IF HE IS DOING THIS, WHICH IS SUCH A HIGH-PROFILE, SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, WHAT ELSE IS HE DOING? WE DON'T KNOW.

PLEASE AT LEAST POSTPONE THIS. USE THIS TIME, DO A SEARCH, AND CONSIDER OTHER APPLICANTS. WE ARE HUGE NOW.

WE HAVE BIG, BIG PROBLEMS. EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.

WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT IS QUALIFIED TO HELP US GET THINGS UNDER CONTROL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WELCOME.

>> WELCOME. GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME THE JACQUELINE LEBLANC. I LIVE AT 3930, ST. AUGUSTINE.

I TOO SUPPORT DELAYING THIS DECISION AND TABLING IT.

BACK WHEN MR. CONRAD WAS APPOINTED, IF MY RESEARCH IS CORRECT, HE WAS APPOINTED WITHOUT A LARGE-SCALE COMPETITIVE SEARCH. THEREFORE, I ASK WHAT EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRMS WERE CONSULTED OR INTERVIEWS IN THE SEARCH FOR QUALIFIED CANDIDATES. AS A TAX-PAYING RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, I BELIEVE WE DESERVE BETTER DUE DILIGENCE ON HIRING AND RENEWING CONTRACTS FOR THIS CRITICAL POSITION THAT PAYS IN EXCESS OF $220,000 A YEAR.

IT IS JUST GOOD BUSINESS. COMMISSIONER DEAN STATED THAT IN HIS 40 YEARS IN FLORIDA'S GOVERNMENT, HE CAN'T THINK OF ONE INSTANCE WHERE OTHER APPLICANTS WERE BROUGHT IN DURING THE RENEWAL PHASE OF AN ADMINISTRATOR.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. COMMISSIONER, DEAN, THIS COMMENT ITSELF IS OUTDATED. IT SEEMS OUTDATED.

IT DISREGARDS THE REALITY THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS NOT WHAT IT WAS 40 YEARS AGO. WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT THIS WAY IS NOT AN EFFECTIVE NOR A PRODUCTIVE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEMS WE NOW FACE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY TODAY.

THE APPOINTMENTS OF ELECTED OFFICIALS OF WHICH MR. CONRAD HAS BEEN IN SEVERAL POSITIONS, IT ABSOLUTELY O'SHOULD NOT NEGATE THE RIGHT FOR OUR CITIZENS TO ASSURE WE HAVE THE MOST QUALIFIED OFFICIALS WORKING FOR US.

EVEN APPOINTED COMMISSIONERS ON THIS BOARD ARE REQUIRED TO DEFEND THEIR QUALIFICATIONS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS BY RUNNING FOR REELECTION BEFORE THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY.

DURING A CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN, BEFORE HE WAS HIRED AS AN INTERIM ADMINISTRATOR, HE TOLD-- AND THIS WAS IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE NEWS, COMMISSIONER DEAN, THAT BECAUSE HE HAD OTHER OPTIONS ON THE TABLE, HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO WAIT FOR A NATIONWIDE SEARCH TO TAKE PLACE.

WAS THIS DECISION PERHAPS A RUSHED ONE? OR A TESTIMONY TO THE NEGOTIATING SKILLS OF MR. CONRAD? I HAVE NO ANIMUS AGAINST MR. CONRAD. HE DOES HAVE-- HE IS VERY RESPONSIVE TO US AND VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE.

I DON'T DOUBT THAT. BUT I SEE NO PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE OF MANAGING BILLION-DOLLAR PORTFOLIOS SUCH AS WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTY. LET ALONE MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR ONES. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF GOOD BUSINESS TO SEARCH OTHER APPLICANTS.

AND WE W RESPECT YOU AND HOPE YU WILL HONOR THAT BY AT LEAST DELAYING THIS DECISION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> I'M KIND OF GETTING, IF I

MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> PLEASE.

>> SINCE SHE SPOKE ABOUT MY INVOLVEMENT DIRECTLY.

LET ME SAY THIS. I GUESS I'M STARTING TO FEEL A LITTLE BIT LIKE AN OLD FOGY. BECAUSE I DO GO BACK, SOME OF YOU WORNT BORN IN 1983. IF WE GO BACK 40 YEARS, I WAS REFERRING TO THAT ENTIRE SPAN OF 40 YEARS.

NOT 1983. AND AS OF TODAY, AT ROUGHLY 12:05 TODAY, 2023, I STILL DON'T KNOW OF ANY EXAMPLE OF ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT, CITY OR COUNTY, THAT WHEN THEY ARE NEGOTIATING WITH A CONTRACT RENEWAL FOR AN EXISTING ADMINISTRATOR, THEY DO A NATIONWIDE PUBLIC SEARCH. IF ANYONE KNOWS OF THAT EXAMPLE IN FLORIDA, EVEN UP THROUGH TODAY, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LISTEN TO THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. DEAN. >> OKAY.

LET'S CONTINUE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 NECK ROAD. THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WE DEBATE IN THIS ROOM. BUT THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE.

IT IS A FACT THAT OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WAS PUT IN OFFICE

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QUALIFIED APPLICANTS WERE NOT CONSIDERED FOR THE JOB.

NO ELSE... NO ONE ELSE WAS CONSIDERED FOR THE JOB.

PLEASE DON'T ASK US TO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS A COINCIDENCE THAT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE CONVENED WITHOUT ADVANCED PLANNING.

THAT PLAN BENEFITED SOMEONE. WHO? EVERY ONE OF YOU-- WELL, I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER SOMETHING HERE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IT IS OBVIOUS, SO OBVIOUS THAT THE VOTE WAS NOT CONDUCTED AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, THAT EVEN OUR CHAIR DID NOT DENY IN HIS EMAILS TO RESIDENTS YESTERDAY THAT ONLY ONE APPLICANT WAS CONSIDERED FOR THE JOB, THAT THERE WERE NO JOB POSTINGS, OR ADVERTISING FOR THE POSITION. THAT MR. CONRAD WAS NOT EXPERIENCED-- WAS NOT EXPERIENCED IN FIVE AREAS AS REQUIRED BY COUNTY ORDINANCE OR THAT HE DID NOT HAVE AT LEAST FIVE YEARS OF RESPONSIBLE ADMINISTRATIVE EXPERIENCE IN CITY OR COUNTY GOVERNMENT. THE FORCED REMOVAL OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COORDINATOR AND HIS ENTIRE POSITION FOLLOWED BY THE RECENT OUSTING OF OUR INSPECTOR-GENERAL IN CIRCUMSTANCES THAT I JUST LEARNED ARE RELATED, ARE UNACCEPTABLE. MR. CONRAD APPARENTLY STANDS BY BOTH DECISIONS. YESTERDAY COUNTY CLERK BRANDON PADDY RESPONDED TO ME THAT MR. ASNER'S COMPLAINT DOES NOT QUALIFY AS ABUSE, FRAUD, OR WASTE.

I DON'T SEE HOW THAT ACCUSATION OF RETALIATION DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR ABUSE. THERE IS STRONG EVIDENCE OF FRAUD AS WELL. IT LOOKS AND SMELLS LIKE A COVER-UP. MR. ASNER WASLED TO BY HIS SUPERIOR THAT HIS INTEREST IN PROTECTING HISTORIC PROPERTY COULD SCARE AWAY DEVELOPERS. PROBABLY THE SAME DEVELOPERS WHO ORCHESTRATED THE BLITZ OF PUBLIC COMMENTS TO GET MR. CONRAD APPOINTED. WWE WERE RAILROAD.

ED. WE WERE RAILROADED.

NOW YOU WANT US TO BE HAPPY ABOUT IT.

THE FORMER MAYOR OF ST. AWTION' WROTE TO THE EDITOR IN 2019.

THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER, SHOULD ENGAGE IN SENIOR LEVEL SEARCHES IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR. THAT WOULD BRING OBJECTIVITY AND TRANSPARENCY TO THE PROCESS, AS WELL AS PROVEN METHODOLOGIESES IN IDENTIFYING HIGHLY QUALIFIED CANDIDATES AND APPLYING A WORLD-CLASS LEADER AS THE NEXT ADMINISTRATOR.

THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WHEN THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE WEALTHIEST COUNTY IN FLORIDA DOES NOT EVEN MEET THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> I GUESS WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT 11:30. I READ THE BACK-UP MATERIAL.

PAGE TWO, ARTICLE 2, TWO. NO PART-TIME EMPLOYMENT FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR. ALREADY HAS TOLEY FOR NATIONAL GUARD. PAGE THREE.

ARTICLE 3. NUMBER 1.

TERM, THREE YEARS. 3-7 TODAY.

A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT. MAKE IT THAT.

PAGE 4. ARTICLE 5.

NUMBER ONE. THE COST OF LIVING ALLOWANCE SHOULD BE THE SAME AS ALL COUNTY EMPLOYEES, NOT AN AUTOMATIC 5%.

REPEAT. THE COST OF LIVING ALLOWANCE SHOULD BE THE SAME AS ALL COUNTY EMPLOYEES, NOT AUTOMATIC 5%.

PAGE 7. ARTICLE 12 3.

IF COUNTY EMPLOY EASY DO NOT RECEIVE PERFORMANCE INCREASE, ADMINISTRATOR SHOULD NOT RECEIVE 3% INCREASE.

THESE SHOULD NOT BE AUTOMATIC THINGS.

THE ADMINISTRATOR, TO GET ANY INCREASES ON ANYTHING, SHOULD BE THE SAME AS THE EMPLOYEES. THEY WORK AS HARD AS HE DOES.

SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT THINK SO. BUT THEY DO.

I THINK WE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR ON THIS CONTRACT.

AND IT IS... AND ITS $248,000. THAT IS ALMOST A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS. AND SOME PEOPLE MAY THINK THAT IS FINE. BUT THERE IS OTHER BENEFITS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. JUST LIKE YOU ALL GET BENEFITS.

THE PERCENTAGES SHOULD FALL IN LINE WITH ALL THE OTHER COUNTY EMPLOY EASY. LET'S THINK ABOUT THEM AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING. CLEANING UP THESE FLOORS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 1-A?

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>> BEFORE WE HEAR FROM COMMISSIONERS, I SEE COMMISSIONER WANT TO SPEAK. THIS IS COMMISSIONER CON... MR. CONRAD'S CONTRACT. MR. CONRAD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? I MEAN, WE ARE COMMISSIONERS WHO WANT TO SPEAK. OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE THE ONES WHO VOTE ON THIS CONTRACT. YOU HAVE HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT.

YOU HAVE HEARD FROM US. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR

THOUGHTS. >> AS YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER, AND MR. CHAIR, I TRY TO DEFER MY PUBLIC SPEAKING BEFORE YOU ALL UNLESS CALLED UPON. LET ME JUST SAY THIS IN RELATION TO THE HIRE PROGRESS SESS. COMMISSIONER DEAN WAS THE ONLY ONE AT THAT TIME. I WOULD HOPE I WOULD BE JUDGED ON MY PERFORMANCE AT THIS POINT AFTER THREE YEARS.

FOR THOSE WHO SAID THERE HAS BEEN NO MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE.

LET ME START BY SAYING I WOULD NOT BE SUCCESSFUL AT ALL IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE OTHER 1,500 EMPLOYEES.

I WILL CLAIM NO CREDIT AT ALL FOR ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

ALTHOUGH I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSIONER RECOGNIZING THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS. WHEN YOU GO BACK TO COVID, THAT WAS DONE AS A TEAM. WE DISCUSSED COULD WE BE READY IN 24 HOURS, TO TURN AROUND SOMETHING IF AND WHEN THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH FAILED. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE, AS A TEAM, COMPLETED TOGETHER. CERTAINLY, I WON'T STAND BEFORE YOU, SIT BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING AND TALK ABOUT THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OR SUCCESSES THAT I HAVE DONE ON MY OWN.

I'M NOT CURRENTLY RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

I HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE. THOSE ARE THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO WHEN YOU RUN FOR OFFICE. BUT TODAY, I'M A VERY GRATEFUL RECIPIENT OF HAVING WORKED FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS.

FOR THIS BOARD. THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE BEFORE YOU. WITH THE STAFF THAT IS HERE BOTH BESIDE ME AND BEHIND ME. OUT WORKING AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO ANY OF. THIS AND PROBABLY NOT EVEN AWARE THAT IS GOING ON. IT HAS BEEN A COMPLETE PLEASURE AND JOY TO SERVE. I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE SUPPORT THAT I HAVE RECEIVED THUS FAR. LY ADD... I WILL ADD, THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN HERE, THIS BOARD AND THIS STAFF HAS WORKED TOGETHER AND THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN APPROPRIATELY MANAGING A BILLION-DOLLAR BUDGET FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. AND ONE YEAR, WE ROLLED BACK THE MILLAGE. ONE YEAR WE DECIDED TO KEEP THE MILLAGE FLAT. WE RECEIVED A AA BOND RATING FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE COUNTY'S HISTORY, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

I WOULD SAY THERE ARE GREAT PEOPLE LIKE MR. DUNN UNDER THE LEADERSHIP AND GUIDANCE OF THIS BOARD THAT HAVE DONE WELL IN PERFORMING, MEETING THE EXPECTATIONS BOTH OF THIS COMMUNITY AND OF THE STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORTH BY THIS BOARD: I WILL CONCLUDE BY SAYING I DO EVERYTHING I DO UNDER THE LORD. NOT UNTO MEN.

IT IS AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY.

I'M RAISING FIVE SONS HERE. I CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR BEACH, OUR INTROCOASTAL. DESPITE WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT THINK.

MY PARENTS LIVE HIRE. MY SISTER LIVES HERE.

CERTAINLY, PART OF PUBLIC OFFICE, AS EACH OF YOU ARE WELL AWARE COMES WITH CRITICISM. I GENERALLY TRY NOT TO FIGHT BACK BECAUSE THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT GOES.

NOBODY MAKES TOUGH DECISIONS WITHOUT THERE BEING SOME CRITICISM. CERTAINLY, WE STAND BY THE DECISIONS WE MADE. WHEN CRITICISM IS APPROPRIATE, WE DO OUR VERY BEST TO RESOLVE THAT CRITICISM, FIX US, AND MOVE FORWARD. AGAIN, I'LL CONCLUDE.

I'M AN INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL RECIPIENT OF THE ALMOST 1,500 EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE WORKING DILIGENTLY SINCE MY T TIME. ALMOST THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO. I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE BOARD TTHAT VOTED TO BRING ME ON. EN INCREDIBLE MY APPRECIATIVE OF THE FIVE OF YOU WHO VOTED TO MOVE MY CONTRACT ALONG.

I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANY OF YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND THE

COMMISSION. >> THANK YOU, MR. CONRAD.

WE HAVE OUR CLERK OF THE COURT IN RESPONSE TO THE COMMENT.

YOUR OFFICE WAS BROUGHT UP DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

DO OFF RESPONSE? DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND IN YOU CAN SHAKE YOUR HEAD NO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PODIUM. YOU WILL HAVE TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. SO WE CAPTURE IT FOR THE RECORD.

>> SUCH A LONG WALK. IT IS NOT NECESSARILY GERMANE TO THE TOPIC AT HAND. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY SORT OF CONCERNS REGARDING THE INSPECTOR-GENERAL AND HIS POSITION AND SO FORTH. AT THE BOARD'S DIRECTION, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT NOW OR I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK AT A TIME WHEN YOU --

>> I THINK I'M INTERESTED. WE ARE HEARING THINGS ABOUT THE I.G. AS IT RELATES TO MR. ASNER.

SO YES. THAT IS ONE COMMISSIONER I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION FROM YOU.

>> SURE. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

COMMISSION. AS DISCUSSED, LET ME BACK UP.

THE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR-GENERAL FALLS INTO THE CLERK OF COURTS, ONE OF THEIR CORE RESPONSIBILITIES, WHICH IS PERFORMING THE INTERNAL AUDITS FOR THE COUNTY, IT IS PART OF OUR CHECKS AND BALANCES. PART OF THE SEPARATION OF DUTIES. AND THROUGH THAT, WE HAVE FOUR MAIN PRIORITIES. ONE OF WHICH IS FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE. THE I.G.'S OFFICE SETS UP THAT POLICY, WRITES THAT POLICY, ENFORCES THAT POLICY.

FROM MY VAN TAKE POINT, MY PRIMARY ROLE IS TO SUPPORT RESOURCING, ANY SORT OF STAFF MANAGEMENT.

I DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN INVESTIGATIONS.

I DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN AUDITS AND SO FORTH.

WE MAINTAIN THAT INDEPENDENCE AND IT IS A BRIGHT LINE FOR US.

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THERE WAS NO ACTION THAT WAS CONDUCTED UNTIL A COUPLE MONTHS LATER. AND IT WAS NOT UNTIL THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HE MADE THAT I BECAME AWARE AND STARTED INQUIRING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THIS COMPLAINT.

I FIND DELAYS, ESPECIALLY OUTSIDE THE POLICY, SO OUR CURRENT POLICY HAS A 0-DAY WINDOW FOR THE I.G. TO RESPOND IN SOME MANNER TO A COMPLAINT. WHETHER TO SAY THAT IT IS-- PULL IT OUT SO THAT I'M CLEAR. WHETHER TO SAY THAT IT IS UNASSIGNED, OPEN FOR INVESTIGATION, REFERRED, OR NO ACTION. AND THERE IS NO DISPOSITION THAT WAS RECEIVED ON THIS. SO I INQUIRED ON IT.

AND I ASKED THE I.G.'S OFFICE TO LOOK INTO AND TO FINALIZE AND GET BACK IN TOUCH WITH MR. ASNER.

THAT RESPONSE WAS SENT OUT FROM OUR ASSISTANT I.G. ON THE FIRST OF MARCH. AND NOTIFIED MR. ASNER THAT THE COMPLAINT WAS NOT-- DID NOT FALL UNDERNEATH THE PURVIEW OF THE FRAUD, WAS, AND ABUSE. SOME FOLKS MIGHT SAY, THEY MIGHT HAVE THEIR OWN INTERPRETATION OF WHAT IS FRAUD, WASTE, AND ABUSE.

SO I ASK FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS I READ THROUGH WHAT IS OUR POLICY FOR SAID ITEMS. SO NUMBER ONE, FRAUD.

A DISHONEST AND INTENTIONAL COURSE OF ACTION THAT RESULTS IN OBTAINING MONEY, PROPERTY, OR AN ADVANTAGE THROUGH WHICH THE INDIVIDUAL COMMITTING THE ACTION WOULD NOT NORMALLY BE ENTITLED.

FRAUD REFERS TO BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO DISHONEST OR FRAUDULENT ACT TO INCLUDE FORGERY OR ALTERATION OF ANY DOCUMENT, MISAPPROPRIATION OF FUNDS, ET CETERA.

AND PROPER HANDLING OR REPORTING OF MONEY OR FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS. PROFITING BY SELF OR OTHERS AS A RESULT OF INSIDE KNOWLEDGE, DESTRUCTION OR INTENTIONAL DISAPPEARANCE OF RECORDS, FURNITURE, FIXTURES OR EQUIPMENT. ACCEPTING OR SEEKING ANYTHING IN MATERIAL VALUE FROM VENDORS OR PERSONS PROVIDING SERVICES AND MATERIALS FOR THE COUNTY FOR PERSONAL BENEFIT AND/OR ANY SIMILAR OR RELATED IRREGULARITY. THE NEEDLESS, CARELESS AND EXGANT EXPENDITURE OF COUNTY FUNDS, INCURRING UNNECESSARY EXPENSE. THE INTENTIONALLY WRONGFUL OR IMPROPER USE OF RESOURCES INCLUDING THE IMPROPER USE OF ONE'S POSITION IN A MANNER CONTRARY TO ITS RIGHTFUL AND LAWFUL INTENDED USE. ALLEGATIONS OF RETALIATION, EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES ARE HANDLED BY THE RESOURCES DEPARTMENT.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL CLOSE BY SAYING THAT ALL EMPLOYEES OF THE I.G.'S OFFICE PRIOR TO THAT I MAIL THAT WENT OUT IN THE FIRST OF MARCH WAS AN AGREEMENT. THEY HAD MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION. THEY WERE ONBOARD SAYING THAT-- THEY HAD COME TO THE ASSESSMENT OF SAYING THAT THE COMPLAINT DID NOT FALL UNDER THE FRAUD, WASTE, AND ABUSE POLICY AND SHOULD BE REFERRED TO THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

IT IS H.R. AND NOT I.G. >> CORRECT.

>> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER-- THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER ALAIMO? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU CLERK PATY FOR THOSE COMMENTS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFICULT DEAFCISION THAT IS COME BEFORE US. I REALLY BELIEVE-- YOU KNOW, HUNTER IS QUALIFIED, KNOWLEDGEBLING.

HE IS RESPONSIVE. HE IS ONE OF THE HARDEST WORKING INDIVIDUALS THAT I KNOW. I THINK HE HAS DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB AS OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

I'M PROUD TO SUPPORT THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT.

I THINK HE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB FOR US.

SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> I KNOW WHEN I RAN FOR OFFICE, I SAID I WOULD LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY WHEN THEY WERE STRONG ABOUT A TOPIC. I DID GET 52 EMAILS.

THAT BEING SAID, I AM NOT GOING TO BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE VOTING. NO I'M GOING TO BE VOTING YES.

FIRST OF ALL, MY EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE HAD SINCE NOVEMBER.

MY GOALS ARE TO SLOW DOWN UNBRIDLED GROWTH, CRUSHING TRAFFIC, AND THE CLEAR-CUTTING OF OUR COUNTY.

I WILL WORK VERY HARD GOING FORWARD TO KEEP OUR CULTURAL HISTORY. SO WITH THAT, I'M HOPING TO WORK WITH MR. CONRAD IN THE FUTURE, GOING FORWARD TO CURB THE UNBRIDLED GROWTH OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> I'LL TRY TO BE REAL BRIEF.

WE TALKED A LOT. WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT WENT ON OR DIDN'T GO ON IN 2020.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS. HINDSIGHT, ODDLY ENOUGH, IS 2020. RIGHT? I'M GOOD AT THAT. GOING BACK TO FEBRUARY, MARCH OF 2020, YOU HAVE TO BE THERE. YOU HAD TO BE THERE.

WHEN COVID-19 HIT, HAD WE MADE A DECISION TO GO OUT ON A

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YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I THANKED THE LORD THAT WE MADE A DECISION TO HIRE THIS MAN. AT THE TIME.

AND FRANKLY, I THINK IT WAS ALMOST EITHER LUCK OR, YOU KNOW, JUST STUMBLING ALONG. WHATEVER.

IT TURNED OUT FOR ME, PERSONALLY, BECAUSE I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS HERE THEN, TURNED OUT TO BE THE BEST DECISION I HAVE EVER MADE. AND MAYBE YOU KNOW, I DID IT-- COULD GO BACK TO IT AGAIN AND DO IT DIFFERENTLY.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT MAN SAVED OUR LUNCH.

IN THE SUMMER OF 2020. WITH ALL THE... WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON. I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

I'M NOT MAKING A DECISION TO APPROVE HIS CONTRACT TODAY BASED ON HIS PREVIOUS LIFE. I'M BASING MY DECISION, AS ROY SAID BASICALLY, ON WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED AND HOW I HAVE WORKED WITH HUNTER FOR THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS.

THAT IS MY SCALE THAT I'M USING. THE METRICS.

WHAT HAS HE DONE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS? IS IT DESERVING OF RENEWAL? CLEARLY, IN MY OPINION, THE ANSWER IS YES. SORRY ABOUT RAMBLING.

I HAVE TO GET ALL THAT OUT. >> I'M GLAD YOU DID.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I HAVE JUST GOT ONE FINAL THOUGHT. THIS IS GOING BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENT. I MAY HAVE WOKEN UP ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE BED TODAY. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE THINGS WHEN THEY ARE RAISED.

WE HEARD FROM MS. CROSBY THAT THERE IS NO DISPUTE THAT MR. CONRAD WAS PUT IN OFFICE WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE PROCESS OF LAW.

THERE IS NO DISPUTE. MR. MIGUT, WAS HUNTER CONRAD PUT INTO OFFICE WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE PROCESS OF LAW?

>> SO I'M AN ATTORNEY GENERAL. ... I'M AN ATTORNEY.

I WASN'T HERE AT THE TIME. NONETHELESS, THERE IS NO FEDERAL OR STATE LAW THAT CONCEIVABLY COULD HAVE BEEN VIOLATED BASED ON MY REVIEW OF THE SITUATION, REVIEWING VIDEOS, MEETING

MINUTES, ET CETERA. >> SHE SAID THERE IS NO DISPUTE.

DOES THAT CHANGE ANYTHING? >> NO.

IN COUNTY, THIS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DID NOT VIOLATE ANY LAW WHEN IT HIRED THE COUNTIED A MONEY SAY THERE OR

THE IN 2020. >> EVEN IF YOU SAY THAT WITH A LOT OF CONFIDENCE, THAT YOU BROKE THE LAW, THAT DOESN'T MAKE

IT ILLEGAL? >> THE LAW IS WHAT THE LAW SAYS.

NOT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAYS, SIR. >> INTERESTING.

SO DISAPPOINTING THAT SOMEBODY CAN COME UP HERE AND SAY SOMETHING THAT WE VIOLATED THE LAW, AND THAT NOT BE TRUE.

JUST DISAPPOINTING. I'M READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND HUNTER IS.

CONRAD. >> SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> PLEASE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES.

5-0. CONGRATULATIONS, MR. CONRAD.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THIS BOARD. AND TO THE COUNTY.

WE JUST EXTENDED THE CONTRACT OF A FANTASTIC ADMINISTRATOR.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE INTO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL DO THAT FOR 30 MINUTE.

WE ARE GOING TO END GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT 12:53.

WE WILL GO TO LUNCH. >> A THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON NONAGENDA ITEMS. ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS.

EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM.

COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD.

NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL, IMPERT INNOCENT, OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR WITH BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR.

MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE DEMONSTRATION OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS.

FINALLY, I WOULD ASK THAT ANY SPEAK HEAR THE PRESENTS NIP OVERHEAD MATERIAL, PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO PUBLIC RECORD.

THANK YOU. >> ED SLAVEN.

GOOD AFTERNOON. CALLING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE NOVEMBER 19, 2006 EDITORIAL BY THE ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD.

WHICH I WILL INSERT INTO THE RECORD.

THE EDITORIAL WAS ENTITLED "ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO STICK TO YOUR GUNS." AND THAT EDITORIAL DOCUMENTED HOW THE THEN MAYOR OF ST. AUGUSTINE MADE A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ME, SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST MADE

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WHEN I WAS EDITOR OF THE APPALACHIAN OBSERVER.

AND I HAD A HISTORY OF REPRESENTING ENVIRONMENTAL AND NUCLEAR WHISTLEBLOWERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

INCLUDING ROBERT TYNDALL WHO WAS SUBJECTED TO A HOSTILE WORKING ENVIRONMENT AS AN I.G. SPECIAL AGENT WITH E.P.A.

HE WAS BORN AGAIN. THEY TRANSFERRED HIM TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA OR D.C. TO A NONEXISTENT PROCUREMENT FRAUD SQUAD AND ORDERED TO REPORT TO WORK ON A SUNDAY.

KNOWING SHE WAS BORN AGAIN. ... HE WAS BORN AGAIN.

WE SHOWED E.P.A. WHAT WAS DONE TO SPECIAL AGENT TYNDALL.

AND THE I.G. WHO DID THAT TOO MR. TYNDALL.

JOHN C. MARTIN HAD SERVED FOR 13 YEARS, AND HE HAD WHAT RASED WHISTLEBLOWERS, BOTH E.P.A. EMPLOYEES AND NON-E.P.A.

EMPLOYEES. WE HAD A 535-ITEM REQUEST FOR ADMISSIONS THAT THE U.S. DOL JUDGE SAID WAS THE BEST CASE HE EVER SAW FOR OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

THAT CASE SETTLED. FOR $200,000.

AND THAT CASE RESULTED IN JOHN MARTIN BEING FIRED BY CAROL BROWNER AS THE E.P.A. INSPECTOR-GENERAL.

AND I'M GLAD THAT CAROL BROWNER FIRED MR. MARTIN.

I THINK MR. PATTY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROFIT FROM THE EXPERIENCE.

IT WAS WRONG TO FIRE THE I.G. OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

IT WAS WRONG NOT TO REPORT THAT TO THE BCC OR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. IT WAS WRONG NOT TO INVESTIGATE TREY ASNER'S COMPLAINT. IT WAS WRONG TO HIRE HUNTER CONRAD IN 2019 AND 2020. HE IS YOUR BUDDY.

AND IT WAS WRONG TO RENEW HIS CONTRACT JUST NOW.

MY FREE SPEECH RIGHTS WILL NOT BE CHILLED.

AS THE ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD EDITORIAL OF NOVEMBER 19 OF 2 2006, A LONG TIME AGO SAID, IT IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO STICK BY YOUR GUNS. YOU WILL NOT CHILL MY FREE SPEECH RIGHT. YOU WILL NOT.

>> THAT IS ENOUGH. MR. SLAVEN.

>> HUSH! >> MR. SLAVEN.

THANK YOU, SIR. >> HI.

SHEARY BADGER, SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE.

COMMISSIONER DEAN, YOU SENT ME ON RABBIT HOLE AFTER RABBIT HOLE. NOW I'M FIXING TO GIVE YOU MY REPORT ON THAT RABTD HOLE. OKAY.

BACK IN-- CAN I HAVE OVERHEAD, PLEASE? OKAY. YOU EVEN SAID THIS WAS HINKY WHEN I BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE. BACK IN 1988, THERE WAS A 0-FOOT EASEMENT. BACK IN 1998, THERE WAS A 45-FOOT EASEMENT. BACK IN 2002, THERE WAS A 60-FOOT EASEMENT. 2006, IT WENT BACK TO A 45.

WELL, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL NEED TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO. I WAS INFORMED BY ONE OF YOUR EMPLOY EASY THAT WHAT IF THE COUNTY GAVE THIS DEVELOPER THE TEN FEET THEY NEEDED, AND I ALSO WAS TOLD, WAS THIS REALLY A BIG DEAL, MS. BADGER? OKAY? THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AFTER 15-MINUTE OR 20-MINUTE RAINSTORM OF TORRENTIAL DOWNPOUR, IS THIS REALLY A BIG DEAL? THAT THE WATER IS PROTRUDING UP ON THE SIDEWALK. MAYBE NOT TO Y'ALL.

BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIVE THERE. THE OTHER MORNING AT 4:00 IN THE MORNING, THIS TRUCK WHICH IS A HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM MY WINDOW SOUNDED LIKE A SEMI-TRUCK COMING THROUGH MY BEDROOM WINDOW.

WOKE ME UP. NOT FIVE MINUTES LATER, THIS WAS A TRUCK BACKING UP IN THE PARKING LOT AND BEEP, BEEP, BEEP. OKAY? I HAVE SHOWED YOU PICTURES AND PICTURES OF TRUCKS.

TRUCKS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE THIS ROAD.

IT HAS AN 18-INCH CULVERT IN IT. IT REPLACED A 266 CUBIC YARDS OF WATER AND AN 18-INCH CUBIC PIPE. OKAY? DOES THIS AFFECT ME OR IS THERE ANY BIG DEAL? Y'ALL NEED TO FIGURE THIS OUT. BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING ON ISN'T

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ISN'T RIGHT FOR ANYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND I DO HAVE PROOF.

THANK YOU. GOD BLESS V. A GREAT DAY.

>> THANK YOU, MS. BADGER. WELCOME, SIR.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ROBERT REEL.

I LIVE AT 7480 FOUNDER'S WAY IN THE MARSH LANDINGS.

I'M ONE OF MORE THAN 150 HOME OWNERS WHO VOTED RECENTLY TO RAISE OUR RETENTION POND LEVEL, WATER LEVELS.

A FEW WEEKS AGO, I AND SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS SPOKE TO YOU AND SHOWED YOU THE CURRENT AND CONTINUING DAMAGE BEING DONE TO POND FRONTAGE PROPERTIES. IT HAS BEEN AND IT CONTINUES TO BE DAMAGED CAUSED BY LOWERING OF OUR POND LEVELS FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS. I CAME HERE TODAY TO UPDATE YOU ON MY PROPERTY. LAST WEEK, I RECEIVED A WRITTEN ESTIMATE TO REPAIR A STRETCH OF DAMAGED POND FRONTAGE.

CAUSED BY LOWER POND LEVELS OVER THE YEARS.

IT WAS $38,338. $38,338.

I PERSONALLY KNOW OF 7 HOME OWNERS WHO HAVE ALREADY HAD TO SPEND SIMILAR AMOUNTS. TOTALS OVER $200,000.

THERE ARE MANY MORE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YET.

I DO KNOW THAT DURING LAST YEAR'S SURVEY OF HOA-2 HOME OWNERS, 105 OF THOSE RESPONDENTS SAID THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED DAMAGE FROM LOWER POND LEVELS. IF THEY EXPERIENCE JUST HALF THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE AS THOSE 7, THE COST WOULD BE ALMOST $2 MILLION.

IF THEY EXPERIENCED THE AVERAGE OF THOSE 7, IT WOULD BE $3.7 MILLION. I DON'T KNOW WHICH IT IS YET.

I DO KNOW IT IS GETTING WORSE BY THE DAY.

TO DRAIN THOSE PONDS TAKES A DAY, A TWO DAYS, I DON'T KNOW.

IT CAN BE DETERMINED. THAT IS NOT THE POINT.

THE POINT IS I DO KNOW IT IS NOT 365 DAYS.

THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN MANAGED THAT WAY EFFECTIVELY FOR 35 YEARS.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR THESE PONDS TO BE LOWERED FOR 365 DAYS OF THE YEAR. DOING SO HAS CAUSED AND IS CAUSING DAMAGE THAT COULD WIND UP COSTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

THAT IS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE. LOOK, I LIVE HERE.

I LIVE ON A POND. I HAVE BEEN FLOODED.

I DON'T WANT TO BE FLOODED. I WANT THE PONDS DOWN WHEN THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENT OR WHEN THERE IS A HURRICANE.

I JUST DON'T WANT THEM DOWN ALL YEAR LONG.

TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED. I CAN FOLLOW A RAIN EVENT FOR WEEKS ON END FROM 15 DIFFERENT FORECASTERS.

I CAN DO IT IN THE PALM OF MY HAND.

IN PLENTY OF TIME TO SAFELY LOWER THESE PONDS.

I KNOW YOU CAN'T VOTE TODAY AND HAVE OUR PONDS RAISED TOMORROW

MORNING. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

WELCOME. >> MY NAME IS MELISSA FISHER.

MARSH LANDING. I WANTED TO READ THIS TECHNICAL STAFF REPORT FROM THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

IT JUST READS SOME ITEMS THAT THEY HAVE FOUND IN HISTORY.

BASED ON THE RESULTS OF THE ABOVE SURVEY FOR A COMMUNITY, OF OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, I'M SORRY.

BASED ON THE RESULTS OF THE ABOVE SURVEY INVESTIGATION, STAFF DETERMINED THE EXISTING SYSTEM WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED AND OPERATED PER THE ORIGINAL PERMIT.

ITEMS NOTED BY STAFF AND THE APPLICANT'S INVESTIGATION THAT DIFFER FROM THE PERMANENT DESIGN INCLUDE WATER LEVELS WERE OPERATED HIGHER THAN THE PERMITTED DESIGN ELEVATION OF A NEGATIVE 1.1 IN THE INTERCONNECTED POND SYSTEM.

THE SAME SYSTEM THIS GENTLEMAN IS SPEAKING OF.

ACTUAL POND PUMP CAPACITY IS NOT AS GREAT AS DESIGNED AND PERMITTED. FOUR ADDITIONAL PONDS WERE CONSTRUCTED AND INTERCONNECTED INTO THE POND SYSTEM WITHOUT A PERMIT. UNIT 8 WAS CONNECTED BY PIPE INTO THE LARGER INTERCONNECTED POND SYSTEM.

THAT AND THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS A STAND-ALONE GRAVITY DISCHARGE SYSTEM. POND 98 SERVING ANOTHER AREA FOUND-- DISCHARGES INTO THE UNITS 5-9 POND SYSTEM.

NEXT, THE OVERALL POND AREA AND VOLUME DIFFERED FROM THE ORIGINALLY PERMITTED DESIGN AND A GOLF COURSE SWAIL ALONG THE TEE BOX WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED. I WOULD LIKE TO READ THIS FROM PATRICK MCCORMICK, THE PAST COUNTY ATTORNEY.

DUE TO THE ONGOING NATURE OF THESE COMPLAINTS RECEIVED AND THIS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE OF UNDUE FLOODING, EVEN IN NON-NAMED STORM EVENTS, CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION WILL COMMENCE UNLESS AN ACTION PLAN TO ADDRESS THESE ITEMS IS SUBMITTED TO THE

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BY AUGUST 20, 2021 AND SUCH ACTION PLAN ADDRESSES THE ISSUES IN A MANNER THAT ACHIEVES COMPLIANCE NO LATER THAN THREE MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THIS LETTER.

DISREGARD THE DATES. I WAS TRYING TO JUST READ TO YOU THAT PARAGRAPH. PLEASE BE ADVISE THAT IF THE COUNTY DOES NOT TIMELY RECEIVE SUCH AN ACTION PLAN, IT WILL REINITIATE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCEEDINGS.

AS WELL, I HAVE THE PERMIT THAT APPLICATION TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY FROM MARSH LAND'S OWN ENGINEER. IT STATES THAT THEY HAD BASED ON OUR MEETINGS, THE MASTER ASSOCIATION WAS GIVEN OPTION OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. THEY COULD EITHER DO TWO OPTIONS. ONE, RETURN THE EXISTING SYSTEM BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PERMITTED CONDITION OR TWO, REPERMIT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. THEY CHOSE TO RE-PERMIT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT TIME.

I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S HELP IN UNDERSTANDING.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> COME ON DOWN.

>> I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF HUNGRY.

I'M GOING TO BE AS SHORT AS I CAN BE.

I. I LI AT PONTE VEDRA BEACH.

I'M PRESIDENT OF HOA-2. ABOUT 500 RESIDENTS.

I HAVE MADE THE SAME REQUEST LAST TIME, TO HELP SAVE OUR PROPERTY AND SAVE OUR ENVIRONMENT.

AND THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN CREATED BY THE LOW POND LEVELS.

YOU HAVE HEARD THAT MANY TIMES. I DON'T NEED TO REITERATE THAT.

THE ONLY REQUEST I HAVE IS THAT WE HAVE THE REPORT SHOW THAT THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE EXPRESSED TO YOU-- WE HAVE EXPRESSED IT IN WRITING. I HOPE THOSE CONCERNS WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE REPORT FROM-- WE HAVEN'T HAD THE CHANCE TO TALK TO HIM. IF OUR CONCERNS ARE NOT REFLECTED, THAT REPORT WILL BE BIASED AGAINST THE 500 RESIDENTS OF THE HOA-2. THE SECOND POINT IS THAT-- IF YOU LOOK AT THE ST. JOHNS WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HANDBOOK, IT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO OUR COMMUNITY IS EXPECTED WHEN YOU LOWER THE WATER BODY NEXT TO A WATER TA TABLE, MUCH LOWER THAN THE WATER TABLE.

IT CAUSES EROSION. IT IS NOTHING-- IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. S IF IF THE HANDBOOK.IT IS IN TS HANDBOOK. OUR REQUEST IS THAT YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU REFLECT OUR CONCERNS IN THE REPORT.

AND HELP US TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM.

WE ARE ALSO MAKING THE SAME REQUEST TO THE WATER DISTRICT TO. HELP US.

MANY PROPERTIES ARE BEING DAMAGED SUBSTANTIALLY.

I SPENT $60,000 ON MY HOUSE. THREE OR FOUR OTHER PEOPLE I KNOW PAID $40,000 FIXING THEIR HOUSE.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY.

PLEASE HELP US. ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, SIX YEARS AGO, I AND MY WIFE DONATED TO OUR COMMUNITY.

WE DONATED A PARK BENCH. THE INSCRIPTION SAID "ENJOY PARADISE." THAT PARADISE HAS BEEN UNDER ATTACK THE LAST FIVE YEARS. PARADISE IS LOSING.

WE ARE HOPING THAT THIS BOARD WILL HELP US TO SAVE THIS PARADISE. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY.

WE LOVE IT. WE REALLY ENJOY LIVING THERE.

WE HOPE THAT IT WILL STAY AS IT IS AND YOU WILL HELP US TO SAVE THAT PARADISE WE LIVE IN. AS MILTON SAID, WHEN PARADISE IS LOST,-- I'M NOT GOING TO COMPLETE THE LAST PART.

YOU CAN LOOK IT UP IN PARADISE LOST.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

JIM HENSLEY, 7330 OAKMONT COURT, PONTE VEDRA BEACH.

I'M GOING-- LISTEN. I LOVE MARSH LANDING.

I WAS ON THE BOARD. UNTIL THEY KICKED ME OFF RECENTLY FOR TURNING THEM IN. SO I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING I CAN DO. I STAND BEHIND EVERYTHING I HAVE SENT TO YOU. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN FACTUAL.

I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BACK UP EVERYTHING I SENT TO YOU.

I LOVE MARSH LANDING. I WANT TO GET IT FIXED FOR THE PEOPLE. I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO STATE THAT THE EROSION IS HAPPENING.

AGAIN, WE CAN HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON WHAT THAT IS.

IF YOU RAISE THE WATER LEVELS, YOU FLOOD MY HOME.

YOU KNOW, WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT? YOU KNOW, ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE FLOODED FOR A REASON.

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THERE IS A REASON THE WATER LEVEL IS WHERE IT IS.

IT IS PERMITTED. WHICH MEANS IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO GO ABOVE WHERE IT IS TODAY TODAY.

FOR 40 YEARS, THEY GOT AWAY WITH IT.

UNTIL I TURNED THEM. IN I'M SORRY THAT I TURNED THEM IN. I WORKED HARD FOR MY HOME.

OKAY? I WORKED HARD FOR THAT HOME.

I COME FROM A FAMILY OF EIGHT CHILDREN WITH A SINGLE MOTHER.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE. I HAVE TO PROTECT IT.

IT IS NOT VENGEFUL AT ALL. I WANT IT FIXED.

THIS IS A PUMP TEST. IN 2016 AND 2017 WHEN MATTHEW AND IRMA HIT, OUR PUMPS WERE WORKING AT 100%.

THIS SUPPORTS THE SUBDIVISION WHICH IS MINE.

210 HOMES. THE PUMP WAS WORKING AT 48% YOU GUYS. THAT MEANS IT IS HALF-DEAD.

IT WAS DEFICIENT. THIS REPORT WAS DONE IN 2019 TWO YEARS AFTER THE STORM HIT. THAT IS 48%.

THAT BHEEN THE WATER IS TRYING TO PUMP ITSELF OUT.

IT CAN'T GET OUT. IT IS NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH TO DO IT. THOSE ARE JUST FACTS.

THIS IS HOA-1'S PUMP. SEE HOW BIG THIS IS? MR. DEAN, TURN EXPERT. RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT.

THAT LITTLE PUMP SUPPORTS 91 HOMES OF WATER BEING PUMPED OUT OF OUR SUBDIVISION INTO THE COMMISSION.

I MEAN, INTO THE INTRACOASTAL. THIS BIG, GUYS.

THIS LITTLE POND PIPE RIGHT HERE SUPPORTS OVER THAT MANY HOMES.

THE LAST THING THAT I'LL BRING UP IS OUR BYLAWS SPECIFICALLY REQUIRE THEM TO CLEAN OUT THEST WARIES.

ESTUARIES, OKAY? WE PAY MONEY FOR.

THAT WE PAY ASSESSMENTS TO HAVE THEM CLEAN THAT OUT.

THAT CARRIES THE WATER THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN THEY ARE FULL OF SEDIMENT, THEY DON'T CARRY WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE. I WON'T HAVE TIME TO SHOW YOU THE PICTURE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS REPORT GETS ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVEN'T HAD THE BEST LUCK.

YOU KNOW, OUR LUCK IS NOT SO GOOD RIGHT NOW FOR THE PLAINTIFFS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT GETS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 21ST. AFTER FIVE YEARS, I DESERVE THE REAL TRUTH. THAT IS ALL I'M ASKING FOR

TODAY. >> THANK YOU, MR. HENSLEY.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU REFER TO 40 YEARS.

THAT MAKES YOU AN OLD FOGY. WELCOME ABOARD.

(LAUGHTER). >> WELL,.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. COMMISSIONER JOHN KINSEY.

AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I'M THE MASTER DEVELOPER OF TWIN CREEKS.

BACK IN NOVEMBER, THE COUNTY STAFF MADE A PRESENTATION TO YOU REGARDING THE STATUS OF THE WIDENING OF COUNTY ROAD 210 TO THE WEST OF TWIN CREEKS. THE COMMISSION DIRECTED THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND COUNTY MANAGER TO MEET WITH ME TO TRY TO GET THINGS MOVING FORWARD ON THE PROJECT.

THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND COUNTY ATTORNEY A FEW DAYS LATER, SINCE THAT TIME, I HAVE HAD TWO ADDITIONAL MEETINGS WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. AND WE DISCUSSED THE VARIOUS PARTY'S LEGAL POSITIONS. I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE AT IN THIS PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

IT HAS BEEN A NUMBER OF MONTHS SINCE THE LAST TIME I WAS BEFORE YOU. ON JANUARY 23, WE SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE ADMINISTRATOR OF OUR PROPOSED TERMS TO GET THE COUNTY ROAD 210 BACK UNDER WAY.

I HAVE A COPY OF IT FOR EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS, IF I COULD PROVIDE IT TO THEM NOW. PROVIDE IT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO BE AVAILABLE TOO YOU FOR AFTER THE --

>> YOU CAN DO THAT AFTER WE ARE FINISHED.

IF YOU WANT TO DO IT NOW. >> I DON'T WANT TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE POINTS THAT ARE IN THIS TODAY.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHERE WE ARE AT IS WE HAVE PROVIDED THEM% WITH COPIES OF ALL OF THE BILLS THAT WE HAVE INCURRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE COUNTY ROAD 210 WIDENING.

YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE $15 MILLION OF A PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF MITIGATION.

>> WE GO AHEAD AND PAY FOR THAT WIDENING, WE WILL HAVE SPENT $30 MILLION ON THAT WIDENING. NOT $15 MILLION.

WE WILL HAVE PAID TWICE THE AMOUNT AS THE ADJOINING PROPERTY PAID FOR EACH ADDITIONAL PEAK HOUR TRIP THAT WAS GENERATED FROM THEIR PROJECT, APPROVED ON THE SAME DATE AND AFFECTING ALL THE SAME ROADWAY SEGMENTS. WHERE WE STAND NOW IS THAT THE COUNTY STAFF HAS EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO EVALUATE THIS AND TO RESPOND TO IT. IS THE RESPONSE THAT I'M GETTING FROM THE STAFF IS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET TO IT. THEY CAN'T PROVIDE ME A DATE.

I WOULD ASK, AT THIS STAGE, THAT THE COMMISSION COMMUNICATE WITH

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THANK YOU. >> IT IS DISTRICT FIVE.

I WILL DO. THAT I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE

STAFF AFTER THE MEETING TODAY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> WELCOME. >> HI THERE.

ANNA KIN YOANS, OAKMONT COURT. IN MARSH LANDING.

I'M HERE TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING WITH THE PONDS AND THE SIDE SLOPES AND EROSION.

HOPEFULLY, I CAN OFFER A SOLUTION TODAY.

OR A POSSIBLE SOLUTION. SO THE POND BANKS AND THE SLOPES ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

ONE OF WHICH IS SAFETY. ONE OF WHICH-- ANOTHER ONE IS WATER QUALITY AND THEN THE ECOSYSTEM.

COUNTY CODE WHICH YOU GUYS REQUIRE, ONE IS FOR THE SAFETY, AND THAT IS A 4-1 SIDE SLOPE. THE EROSION IS ALSO MENTIONED.

WHERE BEST PRACTICES HAVE TO BE UTILIZED.

TO PREVENT EROSION. OBVIOUSLY, EROSION IS BAD.

MARSH LANDING BACK IN 1984 ACTUALLY KNEW THIS WHICH IS GREAT. IT IS IN THEIR PERMIT HERE.

FOR THE 4-1 SIDE SLOPES. MARSH LAND, WHEN IT WAS DEVELOPED IN '84 IN OUR SECTION AGREED WITH THAT.

FABULOUS. THEY THEY ALSO AGREED, AS PART OF THEIR PERMIT, THAT THEY NEEDED TO STABILIZE THOSE POND BANKS AND SIDE SLOPES WITH VEGETATION.

THEY ALSO SAID THAT THE SIDE SLOPES NEED TO BE AS SHALLOW AS POSSIBLE TO PREVENT EROSION. VERY IMPORTANT.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF JUST ONE OF THE PONDS CURRENTLY.

IT IS HARD TO SEE, BUT THE ONLY SECTION THAT IS MEETING THE 4-1 REQUIREMENT FOR THE SIDE SLOPES IS IN THE GREEN.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS ACTUALLY FAR TOO STEEP.

IF IT IS TOO STEEP AND WE DON'T HAVE PLANTS, IT CREATES EROSION.

SO GETTING TO THE-- ACTUALLY, I WILL LEAVE THAT ON THERE.

GETTING TO THE WATER POLLUTION, RUNOFF CAUSED BY NATURAL AND HUMAN ACTIVITIES IS ALSO OFTEN FILLED WITH CHEMICALS, PET WASTE, TRASH, AND OTHER POLLUTANTS AND CAN DESTROY AQUATIC ECOSYSTEMS. PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE LACK OF WILDLIFE AND THE SMELLS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

THESE THINGS CAN BE PREVENTED IF WE CONTROL THE EROSION AND PLANT THE PLANTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.

THE OTHER THING IS THE HABITAT. SHORELINE EROSION OFTEN GOES HAND IN HAND WITH NUTRIENT POLLUTION, LOSS OF NATIVE VEGETATION, OXYGEN DEPLETION, AND OTHER AQUATIC IMBALANCES THAT THREATEN NATIVE WILDLIFE AND IMPEDE THE CRUCIAL FUNCTIONS OF THE ECOSYSTEM. VERY IMPORTANT.

THE SOLUTION TO THIS IS ACTUALLY FAIRLY SIMPLE.

WE NEED TO PLANT PLANTS ALONG SHOWS SHORELINES.

THEY NEED TO BE PUT SO THEY ARE NOT SO STEEP.

I HAVE A PICTURE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA DID A STUDY, SO THIS TOP PICTURE IS A TYPICAL POND IN FLORIDA.

YOU CAN SEE IT IS STEEP. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND GIVING THOSE TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WELCOME, SIR. >> HI.

I LIVE AT MARSH LANDING. 277 LAKESIDE CIRCLE.

I WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS PICTURE I TOOK THIS MORNING.

OF MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. ON THE BACK.

YOU CAN SEE THE WATER. BARELY TOUCHING THERE.

THIS IS BECAUSE THE WATER LEVEL IS LOW.

IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.

THIS IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING EVERY DAY.

IT IS AFFECTING OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

IT IS AFFECTING THE POCKETS OF OUR COMMUNITY RESIDENTS.

THE QUALITY OF LIFE HAS BEEN AFFECTED, AS YOU CAN SEE.

BECAUSE THIS IS NOT WHAT WE CAME IN MARSH LANDING FOR.

IT IS WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

I WISH I COULD SHOW YOU THE PICTURE WHEN THE WATER LEVEL WAS HIGHER. I DIDN'T TAKE A PICTURE AT THAT TIME. I NEVER THOUGHT THERE WAS A NEED TO TAKE A PICTURE. WATER LEVEL IN MARSH LANDING HAS BEEN EFFECTIVELY MANAGED BY EXISTING SYSTEM FOR 40 YEARS.

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THIS LEVEL CAN BE BROUGHT UP AND BROUGHT DOWN WHEN NEEDED BEFORE THE STORMS. THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE ST. JOHNS WATER MANAGEMENT MEETINGS.

THEY HAVE SAID SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE, THE PUMP SYSTEM ARE MEANT FOR WATER LEVELS. I WANT YOU TO HELP US TO BRING WATER LEVELS BROUGHT TO PREVIOUS LEVELS.

WHERE THE QUALITY OF LIVING WAS BETTER.

I REALLY ENJOYED THE SURROUNDINGS WHERE WE USED TO LIVE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> COLE CROSBY.

1169 NECK ROAD. I'M GOING TO SAVE THE COMMENT I HAD PREPARED FOR TODAY FOR ANOTHER DAY.

I'M SIMPLY GOING TO REQUEST FROM ATTORNEY MIGUT, A WRITTEN OPINION THAT EXPANDS ON WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER.

I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED ABOUT WHAT WAS STATED.

I WOULD LIKE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE THOROUGH THAN WHAT WAS PROVIDED REGARDING MY STATEMENT THAT WHEN I SAID OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WAS PUT IN OFFICE IN 2020 WITHOUT THE COUNTY FOLLOWING THE PROCESS PRESCRIBED BY LAW.

WORDS TO THAT EFFECT. I'M SITTING HERE HOLDING THE COUNTY ORDINANCE IN MY HAND. I MEAN, BY THE WAY, I READ IT.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS SOME VIOLATIONS HERE.

I'M REALLY CONCERNED TO HEAR THAT THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, WRITTEN TO PREVENT EMPLOYMENT DISCRIMINATION DOESN'T APPLY IN OUR COUNTY, OR DOESN'T APPLY IN THIS SITUATION.

I DIDN'T FOLLOW THAT EXPLANATION.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

ONE QUICK QUESTION. I REPRESENT ITEMSES 5 ON THE AGENDA. I HAVE ANOTHER HEARING LATER TODAY IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

I WAS GOING TO CLARIFY WITH THE BOARD WHAT THE TIMING IS FOR POSSIBLY GETTING TO ITEMS 2 AND 3.

IF WE WILL BE DOING A COMBINED PRESENTATION.

>> WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK AT ABOUT 1:30.

>> 1:30. OKAY.

>> YOU WILL BE THE FIRST ITEM UP.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE PERSON. THEN WE WILL HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT END THE OF THE MEETING.

YES, MA'AM. RIGHT UNDER THE GUN.

>> I HAVE TO BESOME ELSE... I HAVE TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE TOO IN THE CITY. WHAT A MEETING.

WHAT A MEETING. WHAT WENT ON THIS MORNING HAS% BEEN GOING ON IN THESE MEETINGS FOR QUITE AWHILE.

ALMOST TWO HOURS, FOR ONE. FOR ONE AGENDA ITEM.

SO WE WILL START SOMETHING, I HOPE.

IT IS TIME FOR DEVELOPERS, PRESENTERS, LAWYERS, AND REBUTTALS BE ON THE CLOCK. I THINK IF ANYONE IS PREPARED TO BE ON THE AGENDA, YOU SHOULD GIVE THEM 15 MINUTES OR IF YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM 20, BUT THEY SHOULD BE CLOCKED JUST LIKE YOU CUT US OFF IN THREE MINUTES. THIS HAS GONE ON AND ON AND ON.

IT IS NOT FAIR TO-- IF YOU HAVE TO LEAVE, IF WE HAVE TO LEAVE, AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME IN TO SPEAK ON THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS, I REALLY THINK IT IS TIME THAT SOMETHNG BE DONE. THAT THE PUBLIC BE TREATED ONE WAY AND THESE DEVELOPERS AND LAWYERS ARE BEING TREATED A DIFFERENT WAY. IT IS NOT RIGHT.

I WANT TO BRING THIS UP, TOO. AFFORDEN HOMES, NOT JUST FOR DOCTORS, LAWYERS, INDIAN CHIEFS, THAT WAS A JOKE.

BUT WAITRESSES, CARPENTERS, PLUMBERS, ELECTRICIANS, HOUSEKEEPERS. I WOULD TAKE THOSE PEOPLE, I THINK SOMETIMES OVER SOME OF THE OTHER THREE THAT I NAMED.

WE ARE THINKING AND KEEP SAYING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SOME OF US CAN'T LIVE NEAR CERTAIN AREAS.

I KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING-- THIS DEVELOPMENT IS OUT OF CONTROL. WE WILL BE TAL

[2. Public Hearing * DRI MOD 2022-01 RiverTown & 3. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2022-09 RiverTown.]

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>> OKAY. WE ARE BACK.

I THINK WE ARE READY TO WE ARE BACK AND READY FOR ITEM 2.

THIS IS AN EXPART TAY. LE NO. 3 MEETING AT THE SAME TIME WITH THE SAME PEOPLE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> ON ITEMS NUMBER 2 AND 3 I HAD A MEETING ON TUESDAY FEBRUARY 28TH, 2023. APPROXIMATELY 12:30 WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE STAFF AND WE DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT.

WE DISCUSSED THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD, THE INTERSECTION JUST GENERAL THINGS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC

AND PROJECT. >> I MET ALSO ON THURSDAY MARCH 2ND AT 2:30 WITH MS. SMITH AND OUR STAFF HERE IN THE OFFICE. WE DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT AND SOME OF THE REASONS FOR SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING TODAY. THAT'S IT.

>> I HAD A MEETING WITH THE STAFF BUT -- >> THAT WAS A MODIFICATION AGO.

>> THEN I HAD A MEETING ON MARCH WITH EL EXPLEN STAFF.

I DO REMEMBER THAT ONE. AND THEN ON MARCH 6TH, I ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH ELLEN AND STAFF ON ITEM 3, BUT IT WAS THE SAME AS ITEM 2 JUST A DIFFERENT NUMBER.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> YES, I HAD A MEETING ON THURSDAY MARCH 2ND AT 1:30 WITH ELLEN AND STAFF, THAT WAS FOR ITEMS ON 2 AND 3. ELLEN AVERY SMITH, 100 WEST STONE PLACE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. IN INTEREST OF TIME AND SIMPLICITY FOR EXPLAINING THE DRI AND PUD FOR RIVER TOWN AND THE MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED WE'RE GOING TO DO A COMBINED PRESENTATION AND SO TO GET STARTED WITH ME TODAY IS DJ SMITH WHO IS THE VICE-PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT.

I HAVE RYAN STILLWELL FROM PROSSER WHO IS THE PROJECT CIVIL ENGINEER AND PATRICK PIERCE WHO IS OUR PROJECT ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT IN CASE WE NEED EXPERTISE GOING FORWARD THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW TO EVERYBODY WHO MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH THE RIVER TOWN DEVELOPMENT RIDGE OF IMPACT, ALSO KNOWN AS THE DT RI, AND PLANNED UNION DEVELOPMENT, ALSO KNOWN AS THE PUD, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS STARTING IN 2004.

IT IS SUBSEQUENTLY BEEN MODIFIED SEVERAL TIMES.

THE PROJECT INCLUDES 4500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, HALF A MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL, OFFICE AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SPACE, ABOUT 200 ACRES OF RECREATION, ABOUT 150 ACRES OF WHICH IS ALREADY SEWN OPENED BY ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND HAS BEEN APPROVED IN TITLE IN ST. JOE.

THE RIVER TOWN BASEBALL FIELDS, MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS AND OF THE RIVERFRONT PARK WHICH PROVIDE AMENITIES TO EVERYONE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE PROJECT INCLUDES 30 DOCKS ALONG THE ST. JOHNS RIVER. IT IS APPROVED FOR A GOLF COURSE, ALTHOUGH, ONE DOES NOT EXIST NOR IS IT PLANNED AT THIS TIME AND THREE SCHOOL SITES. THAT'S THE PROJECT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED TO DATE. WE'RE NOT SEEKING TO CHANGE ANY OF THOSE ENTITLEMENTS, IF YOU WILL, WE'RE SIMPLY HERE TO DO SOME CLEAN-UP AS WE WILL RUN THROUGH THIS.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE THE UPDATED SCHOOL WHICH IS SUBJECT AND ALREADY APPROVED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD, AN ABANDONED BALD EAGLE SITE THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY, UPDATED FIRE STATION TIMELINES ANDED DETAILS OF SOME ADDITIONAL HAND THERE WILL DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY FOR THOSE SITES.

AND THEN JUST RECOGNIZING THAT SOME OF THE ALREADY APPROVED RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITHIN THE PROJECT WILL BE ACTIVE ADULT AND

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THAT WAS AN OUTDATED FORUM BACKING WITH THE SCHOOL PROPORTIONATE SHARE. THAT AGREEMENT HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD BY A DIFFERENT ONE THAT HAS THE LONG NAME UP ON THE SCREEN AND A CHANGE TO THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER FOR THE DRI SIMPLY IS TO STRIKE THE OUT THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND INDIA THIS NEWLY APPROVED JULY '22 APPROVED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD AGREEMENT. THERE WILL STILL BE THREE SCHOOL SITES, RIVER TOWN, ELEMENTARY AND ONE K THROUGH 8 THAT SHOULD COME ONLINE IN THE 2024/25 SCHOOL YEAR FOR IT AUGUST.

FOR THAT SITE THAT I'LL SHOW YOU THE LOCATION OF, AND ALSO THE CONTINUATON OF PAYING SCHOOL IMPACT FEES PRESENTED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD TO FUND SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION.

THAT'S CHANGE NO. 1. CHANGE NUMBER 2 IS YOU CAN SEE IN YELLOW HIGHLIGHT OR CIRCLE ON THIS MAP THERE WAS A BALD EAGLE NEST SITE IN THAT AREA OF RIVER TOWN.

THAT HAS BEEN BANNED THE NETS WAS BURNED IN A FIRE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. YOUR STAFF, THE STATE OF FLORIDA, FWC AND THE FEDERAL FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE -- ALL OF THOSE AGENCIES HAVE DETERMINED THAT THIS NEST IS ABANDONED BY LAW AND REQUIREMENT FORCE DETERMINING THAT AN EAGLE'S NEST IS ABANDONED. SO WE COULD GET RID THIS CIRCLE THAT WAS A PROTECTION BASE. SO WE'RE REMOVING THAT FROM THE MAP. YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE EAGLE NEST PROTECTION ZONE IS STILL THERE BECAUSE THAT EAGLE -- THAT MATING PAIR IS STILL IN THAT NEST TREE AND ALSO AN EAGLE NEST IN THIS AREA JUST OUTSIDE OF RIVER TOWN.

SO THOSE WILL REMAIN. WE'RE JUST TAKING THE ONE EAGLE PROTECTION ZONE OFF. IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MONITORING AND -- THAT HAS OCCURRED, WE HAVE MR. PIERCE HERE WHO DID THE MONITORING HIMSELF AND WORKED THE STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS NEST IS ABANDONED.

THE DRI HAS SINCE 2004 REQUIRED THE DEDICATION OF A FIRE STATION SITE AND A LIBRARY SITE REASON RIVER COUNTY AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE HERE ALONG LONG LEAF PARKWAY.

THE DATES FOR THE DEDICATION OF THOSE SITES HAVE COME AND GONE.

SO THIS DRI MODIFICATION GIVES THE LIBRARY SERVICES UNTIL JULY 1 OF 2024 AND THEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT UNTIL JULY 1 OF 2025 TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT THESE SITES.

IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MAY CHOOSE ANOTHER SITE AT GREENBREIR HELO INSTEAD OF THIS SITE BUT HAVE UNTIL JULY OF 2025 TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

AS PART OF THIS PROCESS STAFF REACHED OUT AND SAID, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY THE FIRE STATION SITE IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER WAS 2 ACRES AND THE LIBRARY SITE WAS 3 ACRES.

STAFF HAS REQUESTED MORE LAND AND SO THESE DRAWINGS ARE SIMPLY TO SHOW YOU THAT THE LIBRARY SITE THAT'S BEING PROVE VERIFY --ERRED TODAY IS 3.39 ACRES WITH SHARED DRAINAGE IN THIS LOCATION. HERE'S LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY AND THE ACCESS ROAD THAT DOES NOT EXIST YET.

HERE'S THE LIBRARY SITE THAT WILL BE ALL UPLAND.

THE POND STORE WATER CAN GO IN THIS POPPED HERE AND THE ACCESS ROAD WILL BE IN THAT LOCATION. SO THAT'S TO OFFER A LARGER LIBRARY SITE AND THE SAME THING FOR THE FIRE STATION SITE.

YOU SEE LONGLEAF PARKWAY, THIS MAIN SITE IS .12 ACRES.

THIS IS A PROPOSED POND SITE BUT IT IS UPLAND SO IF YOU WANT TO REARRANGE THIS SITE WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER FOUR ACRES THAT'S FINE. WE'RE ABLE TO DEDICATE BOTH OF THOSE SITES TO THE COUNTY IF YOUR DEPARTMENT SO DETERMINED.

AND THE CHANGE NO. 5 I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR ALMOST 19 YEARS AND INCLUDES 4500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

WE'RE JUST CLARIFYING THAT 770 OF THOSE UNITS WILL BE AGE RESTRICTED, JUST THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S NO SCHOOL MITIGATION DUE FOR THOSE BECAUSE AGE RESTRICTED OR D RESTRICTED FROM PREVENTING PEOPLE 18 AND UNDER FROM LIVING IN THOSE UNITS SO THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU AND INSERT INTO THE

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AND SO JUST TO ORIENT YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS A RIVERFRONT PARK, IT HAS EXISTED A NUMBER OF YEARS, A ROUND BEEN THERE, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ROUND-ABOUT IN THIS LOCATION.

HERE IS THE THE K THROUGH 8 SCHOOL SITE WHERE HOPEFULLY THAT SCHOOL WILL BE OPEN IN THE 2024/25 SCHOOL YEAR HERE.

THIS IS THE OVERNIGHT ROUND-ABOUT.

THE ROUND-ABOUT IN STATE ROUTE 13 THAT WAS PROPOSED BY RIVER TOWN FIELD HAS BEEN REMOVED AS HAS THE ROUND-ABOUT THAT WAS PROPOSED HERE. SO THERE WILL OWN BE THREE ROUND-S ABOUT ALONG STATE ROAD 13, NOT FIVE, THAT'S CURRENTLY APPROVED. AND YOU CAN SEE AGAIN THIS THE IS THE GREENWAY MAP THAT REMOVES THE BALD EAGLE PROTECTION ZONE.

SAME THING WITH THE WILDLIFE AND PLANT RESOURCES MAP FROM THE DRI. THE PUD MAP INCLUDES THESE AS WELL AND SHOWS THE RESTRICTIVE UNITS AND SINCE COMMISSIONER DEAN MENTIONED 2021, IN 2021 WE CAME TO YOUR BOARD AND TALKED ABOUT -- BECAUSE RIVERTOWN AND THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER REQUIRES AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THOSE ARE BASED ON THE PARAMETERS THAT ARE SET FORTH IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER.

THIS JUST PUTS IN A MULTIFAMILY LOT LIFE, BECAUSE IN THE YOU WOULD FOR RIVER TOWN, THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER PUT IN VERY SPECIFIC LOT TYPES MEANING DIMENSION OF LOTS, SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY. THIS IS JUST ADDING A MULTIFAMILY LOT TYPE GO WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING LOTS AND THOSE SHOULD BE FORTHCOMING FOR TOWNHOMES OR SALE PRODUCT IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT IS OUR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER... >> IT'S I JUST HAVE A CURIOSITY.

MY QUESTION IS HOW LONG UNTIL THAT'S BUILT OUT, THE ENTIRE

COMMUNITY. >> I WILL TELL YOU IN YOUR STAFF REPORT IS THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER.

HANG ON. THE PROJECT BILLED OUT...

SORRY I'M MAKING YOU DO ALL OF THE WORK.

THANK YOU FOR A LITTLE TIME BECAUSE IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER THIS IS EXHIBIT 10 FROM THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER BUT THE SAME FOR PUD. PHASE 1 RUNS FROM JULY 28TH FROM 2032, AND PHASE 2 RUNS FROM JULY 29TH, 2032 THROUGH JULY

28TH, 2036. >> SO HOW SOON DO YOU GUYS CLEAR-CUT ALL THAT PROPERTY? DO YOU DO IT NOW AND IT JUST SITS THERE OR DO IT A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME WHEN YOU'RE READY TO

BUILD IT OUT? >> WELL, IT'S NOT CLEAR-CUT, AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PEOPLE WHO TOWN. YOU CAN SEE IN THESE AREAS HERE AND THESE ARE RAVINES, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT TO RIVERTOWN, THESE RAVINE SYSTEMS ARE BEAUTIFUL, AND THEY ARE IN THAT THEY RUN THE LENGTH OF THESE PROPERTIES.

LAST A PROTECTED AREA AND YOU CAN SEE THE WETLANDS SO IT'S NOT

CLEAR-CUT. >> I MEANT WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD IN THE NORTH PART THERE, DO YOU CLEAR-CUT IT NOW OR WAIT TILL YOU'RE CLOSER TO BUILDING IT OUT AND KEEP IT GROWING?

>> THIS AREA -- SO -- AND I'M GOING TO HAVE DJ SMITH COME UP FROM MADAMY IF I HAVE MY DETAILS WRONG.

BUT THEY BASICALLY HAVE BEEN DEVELOPING -- ST. JOE STARTED HERE SO THE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AND WORKING ITS WAY UP TOWARD GREENBREIR ROAD. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE DON'T CLEAR THE SITES UNTIL WE'RE ACTUALLY ABOUT TO START DEVELOPING AND VERY CONSCIOUS IN RIVER TOWN TO KEEP AS MANY

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SO WE DO NOT CLEAR ANYTHING UNTIL WE'RE ABOUT TO START

DEVELOPMENT IN THE SITES. >> THANK YOU, I LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, WE'LL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 2 AND 3.

SEEING NONE, WITH HE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR AND YOU WANT TO APOLOGIZE UP FRONT BECAUSE WE HAD A MEETING -- ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING A MEETING IS SO THAT THESE 11TH HOUR QUESTIONS DON'T COME TO MY BEHIND AND WE CAN CLEAR THEM UP.

SO I HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE UNDERSTANDING.

LATE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON I STARTED CONSIDERING THE PORTION OF VETERANS PARKWAY THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO BUILD THAT TAKES US DOWN TO 210. WHERE WE ARE IN THE BUILDING THAT HAVE ROAD, I'M GETTING A LOT OF EMAILS FROM STILLWATER FOLKS AND OTHERS, THAT THE ROAD SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALMOST COMPLETE OR RIGHT THERE AND I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUILDING OF THAT ROAD, WHEN WILL IT BE COMPLETE AND WHAT WHAT CAN WE DO TO ENSURE THAT GETS DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

>> I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY AND THEN LET DJ ANSWER WHERE HE IS IN THE CONSTRUCTION. OBVIOUSLY THE DR I DEVELOPMENT ORDER REQUIRES MADAMY TO BUILD A NEW SEGMENT FROM VETERANS PARK TBRAI LONGLEAF PARKWAY DOWN TO COUNTY ROAD 210.

SO THAT ROAD WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

YOU'LL RECALL WHEN ICI CAP CAP CAME IN FOR THE MIDDLE BORN PROJECT THAT WAS TO BE CONSTRUCTED AS A TWO-LANE ROAD AND ICI GOT IT SO THAT IT COULD START ITS CONSTRUCTION AND THEN HE STARTED ON THE FOUR LANE SECTION OF THE ROAD WHICH IS BEING BUILT FROM NORTH TO SOUTH. AND SO I -- STILLWATER IS WAITING FOR ITS FLATS TO BE APPROVED UNTIL MADAMY OR ITS CONTRACTOR PROVIDES AS BUILT SURVEY OF THE ROAD, WHICH HAS BEEN BUILT DOWN TO THAT AREA, AND TURNS OVER OWNERSHIP OF THAT RIDE OF WAY AND THAT ROAD TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY BECAUSE THE ICI PORTION IS ALREADY IF YOU WILL -- DOWN TO THE ENTRANCE IS ALREADY OWNED BY THE COUNTY. SO YOU OWN PART VETERANS PARKWAY ALREADY. AND YOU'RE ABOUT TO OWN THE NEXT SEGMENT DOWN TO SILLWATER AS SOON AS AS-BUILT PLANS ARE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY STAFF AND YOUR BOARD HAS PROVED THE DEED THAT MADOMY HAS ALREADY DEEDED MORE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY TO THE COUNTY. FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD, I'LL LET MR. SMITH TALK ABOUT THAT.

SO FROM STILLWATER TO 210, THE -- IT IS COMPLETELY GRATED -- COMPLETELY CLEARED AND FILLED.

WE WERE WAIT WAITING ON THE COUNTY SO THERE WAS A LOT ON THE GROUND AND SO WE HAD TO LOOK AT THE INVESTIGATION TO SEE WHAT COULD BE SALVAGED AND WHAT COMPUTER AND PROVIDED US A REPORT ON WHAT COULD BE DEMOED AND WHAT WE COULD KEEP.

WE JUST GOT THAT BACK FROM THE COUNTY WITHIN THE PAST, I'D SAY, FIVE WEEKS. SO WE'RE WAITING ON A CHANGE ORDER FOR THE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT COMES WITH THAT AND WE'RE BEING TOLD BY OUR CONTRACTOR ON THAT SECTION OF WORK -- OF ROAD THAT WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING COMPLETED AND LOOKING FOR COUNTY ACCEPTANCE BY NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR.

>> OKAY. I HATE TO DO THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING -- THIS STRETCH OF ROADWAY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO MY DISTRICT, IT'S COMING UP ALL THE TIME.

I NEED LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT LENGTH OF ROAD REALLY MY OPINION THAT WE SHOULD DEFER THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT

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>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, JUST LIKE -- LET ME GO BACK TO THE 2021 MODIFICATIONS TO THE DRI BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT MADOMY HAS THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER THAT REQUIRE IT IS TO BUILD A SEGMENT OF VETERANS PARKWAY. AND THEY ARE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE TIMING AND THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER FOR DELIVERY OF THAT ROAD. SO WHAT MR. SMITH JUST DESCRIBED TO YOU IS LITERALLY, OKAY, WE STARTED AT THE TOP, WE'VE ACCOMMODATED THE OTHER DEVELOPERS WHOSE PROJECTS WERE IMPACTED. NOW WE'RE BUILDING DOWN.

WE'RE ALSO PART OF THE THING THAT HE DID NOT SAY IS WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF DILIGENTLY TO TIE IN VETERANS PARKWAY WHEN IT COMES DOWN AND MEETS UP WITH COUNTY ROAD 210 BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW IN YOUR DISTRICT AND IN COMMISSIONER ARNOLD'S DISTRICT, COUNTY ROAD 210 IS BEING WIDED FROM CIMARRON TO GREENBREIR WITH MONEY FROM SHEERWATER AND FROM THE COUNTY.

THESE GUYS ARE WORKING VERY HARD WITH THE COUNTY STAFF TO FIGURE OUT THE ELEVATION OF THAT INTERSECTION SO IT DOESN'T FLOOD, THERE ARE NO GRADE CHANGES BETWEEN THE ROADS.

THEY MATCH UP, AND I'M USING LAYPERSON TERMS, IF WE NEED AN ENGINEER TO SPEAK TO THIS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

THAT WORK IS STILL BEING CONTEMPLATED.

MADOMY'S ENGINEERS ARE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY'S ENGINEERS TO LOOK AT WHO'S GOING TO BUILD THAT INTERSECTION BUT WHAT MR. SMITH DESCRIBED TO YOU WAS LITERALLY THE COMPLETION OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT ROAD BUT FOR THAT INTERSECTION BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, WHICH IS EARLIER THAN THE TIME ALLOWED IN THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER. AND THERE'S NOTHING WE'RE PROPOSING THAT I HAD MODIFIES THAT OBLIGATION.

>> AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME UNANSWERED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INTERSECTION AND THERE'S SOME -- A REPORT THAT JUST GOT BACK THAT WE GOT BACK FIVE WEEKS AGO.

I'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THOSE DETAILS.

I THINK THE REPORT IN TALKING ABOUT IT IS LITERALLY WHETHERRED UTILITY LINE SHOULD BE DUG UP AND REPLACED, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. SO IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT THE ACTUAL ASPHALT OF THE ROAD, BUT WHETHER THE UTILITY LINES ALONG THE SIDES OF THE ROAD HAVE TO BE DUG UP AND REPLACED WITH NEW LINES, WHICH I GUESS YOU'RE WILLING TO

DO THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND IT'S TAKE BEN TWO YEARS TO WIDEN. THE SOUTHERN -- THE NORTHERNTH- MOST PORTION OF THE ENTRANCE WIDENING PROJECT WHICH IS AGAIN BEEN GOING ON SINCE BEFORE I WAS SWORN INTO OFFICE AND NOW WE HAVE THIS SOUTHERN PORTION OF 210.

I FEEL LIKE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME ORDER

THERE. >> I WANTED AWARE THAT THERE WAS ANY PROBLEM WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF VETERANS?

>> WELL, SOMETHING I CAN SEE THAT I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT UP IN THIS MEETING AND SHOULD HAVE LOOKED INTO THIS SO I'M SORRY TO HAVE THIS BRING THIS UP THE WAY I AM LATE IN THE DAY AND LAY IN THE HOUR, BUT I NEED MAKE SURE THAT I DO MY JOB.

>> BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT WE'RE IN A DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU AND THE STAFF AND WHATEVER TO PROVIDE THAT UPDATE, BUT REALLY WE WOULD PREERPT THE BOARD APPROVING THE DRI MODIFICATION AND PUDS OBLIGATION BECAUSE THEY DO NOT RESPECT THAT AT ALL OR

THE TIMING THEREOF. >> YES.

I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT AND STILL HAVE QUESTIONS I WANT TO GO OVER WITH STAFF ABOUT CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD, THE ALLOCATION OF WHO'S SUPPOSED DO THE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE INTERSECTION AND AFTER OUR MEETING THE SCHOOL SAID THEY WERE NOT GOING TO CONSTRUCT THAT SCHOOL FOR YET ANOTHER YEAR AND IT'S NOW A 25/26 PROJECT WHICH DOES MAKE ME A LITTLE NERVOUS.

I'LL DEFER TO YOU. IT'S YOUR DISTRICT, CLOSE TO

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TABLE THIS FOR THE NEXT MEETING? >> YEAH TABLING IT OR DEFERRING IT TO THE MEETING TWO TWO WEEKS FROM NOW IS SOMETHING I CAN DO JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL OF THE FACTS AND MAKE SURE OUR DUCKS ARE IN A ROW. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BROACH THE SUSPECT WITH MADOMY AGAIN.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF WE CAN ASK, WE WILL -- AND I'M SPEAKING DJMADOMY WILL AGREE TO DEFER THE DRI MODIFICATION BUT IF THE COMMISSION COULD APPROVE THE PUD APPLICATION BECAUSE THAT IS FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING LOT TYPE AND THEY ARE READY TO START BUILDING. AND THAT THE PUTTED ITSELF DOESN'T TIE INTO THE VETERANS PARKWAY.

THAT'S THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER.

>> OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH ANY OTHER COMMENTS,

QUESTIONS? >> I SUPPORT THAT REQUEST.

POSTPONE NUMBER 2. >> WELL, I'M JUST WAITING FOR MY MOTION THAT'S GONE DOWN. WITH TECHNOLOGY.

HERE WE ARE AT THE MERCY OF TECHNOLOGY.

IN A LOCAL JURISDICTION CONTINUING TO TIME AND DATE.

THAT DISTRICT COURT FELT THAT THAT ITEM NEEDED TO BE READVERTISED. I WILL TELL YOU AS A LEGISLATURE STARTS TODAY THERE IS PENDING LEGISLATION TO AMEND THE STATUTES GOVERNING THOSE CITY AND COUNTY HEARINGS AND ORDNANCE, ENACTMENTS THAT WOULD -- WITH THAT OPINION, IT WOULD REVERSE THE OPINION EFFECTIVELY AND MAINTAIN HOW WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DEAL WITH CONTINUANCES ON THE RECORDED.

IF DO YOU REQUIRE AN ORDNANCE TO ENACT IT I WOULD RECOMMEND READVERTISING THE PART OF THAT PROCESS.

SO WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BRING IT BACK IN TWO WEEKS.

>> YOU COULD BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU READVERTISE THIS ITEM FOR THAT HEARING ON THE 21ST.

>> AND MR. CHAIRMAN, THE DRI IS A RESOLUTION, NOT AN ORDNANCE BUT MADOMY WILL PAY FOR ANY READVERTISEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. HOPEFULLY WE'LL CONTINUE THE DRI

LOG. >> SO AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT CONTINUING AN ORDNANCE YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT

READVERTISING. >> PERFECT, AND I'M GLAD YOU SPOKE UP BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE --

>> WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE LEGISLATURE WILL CREATE EFFECTS

FOR THIS. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GONNA MOVE TO ENACT ORDNANCE 2023- .

>> 10. >> APPROVING MAJOR MODIFICATION 2022-09S TO RIVER TOWN BASED ON THE FACTS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF

REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

THEN I AM MOVING TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 2 AND REALIZE I'M GOING OUT OF ORDER HERE, THE DRI MODIFICATION TO OUR NEXT PUBLIC

[4. REZ 2022-21 3085 Commercial.]

DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. SO THAT TAKES US INTO AGENDA ITEM NO. 4, WHICH IS ALSO EXPARTE, COMMISSIONER LAYMAN.

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>> I HAVE NO EXPARTE. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> NONE. >> I HAVE NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> NONE.

BUT I THINK I GOT A PHONE CALL BUT DIDN'T RETURN IT.

THANK YOU. >> CALLS MADE BUT NOT RECEIVED.

UNDERSTOOD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

KAREN TAYLOR. WITH ME IS SAM ANGALONI, WHO IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND WE ARE HERE FOR RE-ZONING REQUESTS.

TO RE-ZONE 3085 U.S. 1 FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.

MAVERICK ENGINEERING IS THE ENGINEERS FOR THIS BUT I THINK WE'VE ANSWERED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS, SO IF YOU DO HAVE ENGINEERING QUESTIONS, I THINK I HAVE ENOUGH OF THE BACKGROUND, HOPEFULLY, TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.

HE'S NOT ABLE TO BE WITH US TODAY.

JUST TO GIVE IT A START, THE LOCATION, AND THIS IS A LITTLE FARTHER UP THAN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THE WEST SIDE OF U.S. 1, SOUTH OF 312, KANSAS STATE ROAD, IT DOES HAVE OLD MOULTRIE ROAD THAT FOLLOWS PARALLEL TO U.S. 1 BEHIND IT, AND OBVIOUSLY MOULTRIE CREEK IS TO THE SOUTH.

AND THAT BIG DEVELOPMENT OVER TO THE EAST IS ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH.

JUST TO BRING YOU IN A LITTLE CLOSER, IT'S ON THAT WEST SIDE, SOUTH OF ST. JOHNS MEDICAL PARK, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THE ROAD NAME THAT IDENTIFIES THAT. AND THEN NORTH OF CALI DELANE AND THAT'S KIND OF AN OLDER ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT DOES HAVE ACCESS FROM U.S. 1. THE MEDICAL OFFICES ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE. THAT ARE ALONG HERE.

THERE'S SOME VACANT PROPERTIES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED, THESE TWO ARE USED AS OFFICES. THERE ARE SOME BE RESIDENCES TO THE SOUTH, THERE'S ALSO A LAW OFFICE HERE, CI DEVELOPMENT HERE AND A NEIGHBORHOOD DMEACIAL IS AN INJEERING OFFICE, JUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE. -- NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL IS AN ENGINE NEARING OFFICE. THIS IS MIXED USE UP AND DOWN THAT AND FLANKED BY THE RESIDENTIAL TO SUPPORT THAT BASICALLY THE MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL TYPES USES.

AND THERE'S EVEN SOME CONSERVATION AREA IN HERE.

ACTUALLY A FAIR AMOUNT, AND WE DO HAVE THE RAILROAD THAT RUNS NORTH/SOUTH THROUGH IT. THIS IS JUST AN OVERALL JUST TO KEEP UPPED OF SHOW YOU THE VARIETY OF ZONING CATEGORIES THAT ARE ALONG U.S. 1. WE ARE ONE OF THE ONLY ONES LEFT THAT'S O.R. O.R. BETWEEN CIC AND CG, LOTS OF DIFFERENT ONES AND PUD S AND STUFF, AND THIS ONE I'LL TAKE YOU A LITTLE CLOSER BECAUSE I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO YOU.

THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND WEST IS CG.

THE MEDICAL OFFICE IS THE NORTH PIECE, THE ONE IMMEDIATELY TO OUR WEST IS UNDEVELOPED. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE IT ACROSS THE STREET ON U.S. 1 AND THEN THERE'S THOSE SMALL LITTLE POCKETS OF ZONING OF CI AND WE'VE GOT IT DOWN TO TRACTOR SUPPLY IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS. SO THIS IS 1.7 ACRES.

IT'S ON THAT WEST SIDE. AND IT HAS 132 FEET FRONTAGE AND I'LL BE BRINGING THAT UP PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT LATER AND 500 FEET OF DEPTH. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF FRONTAGE ON U.S. 1. IT DOES HAVE THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON IT AND HAS BEEN GRANDFATHERED FOR OVER 40 YEARS TO ALLOW FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE, MATERIAL STORAGE, TRUCK PARKING, CONSTRUCTION OFFICES THAT ARE BROUGHT IN IN A TRUCK OR THAT TYPE OF THING. WHEN YOU'RE GRANDFATHERED, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO SITE.

SO IT REALLY HASN'T -- IT ALSO HAS ORR OR OPEN RURAL AGRICULTURAL TYPE USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WITH THAT AS WELL, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA.

SO THEY ARE REALLY LOOKING TO DO A BUSINESS PARK, CATER MORE TO THE SERVICE-ORIENTED BUSINESSES ALONG THAT AREA, INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS WITH INSIDE STORAGE, THAT TYPE OF THING AND CI IS THE CLASSIFICATION THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT.

IT IS A MIXED USE JURISDICTION AND IT IS ADJACENT TO OTHER, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL TYPE USES THAT -- AND I JUST WANT TO STRESS THAT LIMITED EYES AND THAT LONG NARROW CONFIGURATION KIND OF MADE THIS ONE KIND OF CHALLENGING AS TO WHAT TO DO, CERTAINLY FOR COMMERCIAL, DIRECT COMMERCIAL, THEY WANT FRONTAGE

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THIS TYPE OF BUSINESSES ARE FINE WITH JUST HAVING THE ENTRANTS AND THE SIGN ON THE ROAD. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

THAT WE'VE PROVIDED. WE ARE NOT WE -- WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY COMMITTED TO THIS BUT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA HOW THEY'RE LAYING IT OUT, 13,500 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE PROVIDE FOR RETENTION, WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW, PROVIDE FOR BUFFERS, WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW AND ACTUALLY ACCESS FROM U.S. 1 THAT'S A REGULAR COMMERCIAL ACCESS. WE'LL BRING THAT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED -- WE EVEN WORKED WITH FIRE SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A TEACHER AROUND IN THE CENTER OF THE PLANNING AND KEEPING ONE OF THE HOMES AS FOR EMPLOYEE TYPE HOME WHICH IS ALLOWED UNDER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. FOR OVERALL, JUST THIS SITE PLAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 53% IMPERVIOUS, THEY'RE ALLOWED UP TO 70, AND 47% PRESERVEIOUS. SO -- PERVIOUS.

SO WITH THE ELEVATIONS, IT'S AROUND 30 CONSISTENTLY ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THIS. SO PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER THEY DO ON THEIR SITE WILL BE THEIR RETENTION POND AND ISN'T GOING TO AFFECT THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.

THIS SHOWS YOU THAT ONE MEDICAL BUILDING AS WELL AS THIS MEDICAL BUILDING, KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE STUFF THAT'S HERE AND THE BUILDINGS TO THE SOUTH A LITTLE BETTER.

JUST A FEW PICTURES, THIS IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.

A DIRT DRIVEWAY. AGAIN, THESE WILLINGS -- THESE ARE THINGS THEY CAN'T REALLY IMPROVE RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS LOOKING NORTH FROM THE ENTRANTS.

THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH. THIS IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH. THIS IS ONE OF THE HOUSES ON THEIR PROPERTY. THESE ARE LAW OFFICES, AND THEN THIS IS LIKE A MIXED USE INDUSTRIAL -- OR COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE BUILDING AS WELL. THAT'S THAT HOUSE, IT KIND OF SHOWS WHEN YOU'RE GOING STRAIGHT TO THE WEST ON THIS SITE.

THIS IS THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY SO THE HOUSE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS OVER HERE. IT'S ALL FENCED, IT'S ALSO FENCED ALONG THE BALANCE OF THEIRS AND THIS IS THAT OTHER MEDICAL BUILDING YOU CAN SEE THERE'S VERY GOOD BUFFERING ON THAT THIS IS ALONG CALLE LEON. A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF WHAT THEY WERE PARKING IN THAT THEY WERE DOING ON THE SITE.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON THEY WANT TO GET THIS SO IT'S A REAL DEVELOPMENT THIS TIME. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO BE USED. IT'S ONLY 1.7 ACRES AND THAT LONG NARROW -- IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.

IT'S IN THAT MIXED USE AREA, AND YOU SEE THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL USES THERE IS BUFFERING REQUIRED AND THE USE THES, EVEN IF THOSE BUILT IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST, BE ARE COMMERCIAL GENERAL AS WELL. CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SETBACKS ARE ACTUALLY LESS THAN THE BUFFERS ARE, SO THEY ACTUALLY WILL HAVE THE 20 FEET RATHER THAN A 15 FOOT SETBACK. BUT IT'S ALSO THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN.

IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

AND IT REALLY DOES OFFER THIS APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO

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WE RECEIVED A RESPONSE FROM ONE I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S STILL IN THE PACKAGE. I WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH HIM AND ANSWERED A LOT OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.

HE DID NOT COME TO PLANNING AND ZONING, AND HE REACHED OUT TO ME AND SAID HE WASN'T GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT.

SO WE DID RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM PLANNING AND ZONING AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL FROM YOU. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, ANY GHES

LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NO. 4.

SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ALL RIGHT, SIR, BACK TO THE BOARD, COMMISSIONER LAYMAN.

>> YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE, I DO FIND THIS COMPATIBLE AND SEEMS TO BE A GOOD USE OF PROPERTY SO WITH THAT ANY OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL GO AHEAD AND

OFFER UP A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> ALL RIGHT.

[5. Public Hearing * VACROA 2022-05 - A petition to vacate a portion of Bishop Estates Road in the Bishop Estates #3 Subdivision.]

MOTION TO ENACT ORDNANCE 2023. >> 11.

>> APPROVING 22-213045. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

BASS 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS.

THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NO. 5 MR. LANSDALE.

YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT TODAY, SIR.

THANKS FOR STICKING AROUND. >> YOU'VE BEEN PRETTY PATIENT

TOO. >> SO KIND OF A NEW THIS.

DO I JUST START WITH THE PREPARATION?

>> YES, SIR. GO RIGHT INTO YOUR PRESENTATION.

IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE'LL ASK AFTERWARDS.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO THIS ALL STARTED AROUND 2021.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE STREET VIEW FROM GOOGLE.

SO IT'S BASICALLY THE OLD ROAD, THE SERVICE ROAD NEXT TO THE EXISTING ROAD, AND IT'S -- WASN'T MAINTAINED.

THAT'S ACTUALLY DRIVING THROUGH SOMEONE'S DRIVEWAY TO MAKE THAT LOOP THROUGH THERE. AND IT'S KIND OF SOME AWKWARD TURNS TO TURN LEFT AND RIGHT, AND COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ARE USING THAT GARBAGE TRUCKS AND THEIR VEHICLES KIND OF FOR UP, AND SO THERE WAS A KNOWN RESURFACING THAT TOOK PLACE ON THE STATE ROAD AND WE SHOWED UP TO THE PUBLIC MEETING AND ASKED IF COUNTY WAS GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO THE EXIFGHT ROAD AND THEY SAID THEY WERE NOT GOING TO INCLUDE THAT IN NORMAL SERVICING SO THEY DECIDED INSTEAD TO JUST REMOVE THE ASPHALT AND PUT DIRT BACK AND SO THEN WE STARTED THE THE PROCESS WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH WE HAD ACTUALLY GOT EVERYBODY TO AGREE, WHICH IS KIND OF UNHEARD OF, AND MOVED ALL OF THE MAILBOXES, MOVED ALL OF THE DRIVEWAYS, THEN WE MOVED ALL OF THE UTILITY POLLS AND THE COMCAST THE OUT OF THE WAY AND SO WE DECIDED TO HAVE AN APPLICATION TO HAVE A DATE THAT PORTION OF THE RIGHT AWAY. WHICH IS -- THIS IS THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION FROM 1945 AND LOCATIONS WHICH WE HAVE THERE'S HOA LANDSCAPE BUFFER -- THERE'S NO HOA CAP DAP TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH THERE'S THE THREE LOTS.

SO JUST A HIGH LEVEL VIEW OF THE STATE ROAD IN DUVAL COUNTY.

THERE'S AN AERIAL O IT AND YOU SEE THE SERVICE ROAD ALONG WITH THE NEW ROAD. THIS IS WHAT THE ROAD LOOKS LIKE NOW. YOU CAN SEE IT'S DIRT, ALL OF THE HOLES HAVE BEEN REMOVED. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN MOVED OUT OF THE AREA AND SO GOT AN APPLICATION IN TO VACATE THIS AREA AND THEN WE WILL PUT OUR FENCES UP AND THEN THE EXISTING RIGHT AWAY WILL REMAIN 16 FOOT RIGHT AWAY WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ENTIRE ROAD FROM RACETRACK ROAD TO RACETRACK ROAD AS IT MEANDERS AROUND. THIS PARTICULAR AREA I THINK WAS THE ORIGINAL ROAD BEFORE IT WAS EXTENDED AND THEREFORE IT'S ABOUT 120 FOOT RIGHT-AWAY IN THIS AREA CURRENTLY, AND WE'RE JUST REDUCING IT TO THE 60 FOOT. FULL DESCRIPTION I'M NOT GOING TO BORE WITH YOU THAT FOR THESE THREE PARCELS, AND THEN AS YOU

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AND IN SUMMARY, DOESN'T AFFECT ANYBODY'S LEGAL ACCESS.

ALL OF THE ADJACENT OWNERS HAVE JOINED THE PETITION, THERE'S NO THE UTILITIES OR TRAILS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THIS AREA.

ALL DRIVEWAYS AND MAIL BOXES HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND THE COUNTY WILL BE HAVE A KAYING ALL INTERESTS IN THIS AREA.

-- VACATING ALL INTERESTS IN THIS AREA.

>> EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. GREAT JOB.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. LANSDALE OR PUBLIC ACCIDENT IN.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NO. 5. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ALL RIGHT, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ADOPT

RESOLUTION 2023. >> 80.

>> APPROVING VACATION OF RIGHT-AWAY 22-05, PETITION TO

[6. Land Acquisition and Management Program Conservation Board Annual Property Ranking List for Consideration for Approval by the Board of County Commissioners.]

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. CONGRATULATIONS.

5-0. >>> THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. GOOD AFTERNOON, WELCOME.

LAMP. >> GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. RYAN MAUCH WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MS. ELIZABETH GUTHRIE AS THE CURRENT LAMP CO-CHAIR.

SHE FOLLOWS MIKE ADAMS, THE PREVIOUS CHAIR.

THIS PRESENTATION ON THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN RANKED IN 2022 BY THE LAMP BOARD MEMBERS AS A RECOMMENDATION LIST TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

ALL PROPERTIES WERE SUBMITTED THROUGH THE COUNTY'S REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT AS AVAILABLE FOR SALE OR BY THE OWNER DIRECTLY AS A WILLING SELLER. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE PROPERTY, THE 600 STATE ROAD 13 FIRST COAST ENERGY PROPERTY.

THIS PROPERTY WAS RECOMMENDED TO LAMP BY BOTH COMMISSIONERS DEAN BLOCKER AT THE TIME IN 2022. ALL PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THEY ARE ON THE LAMP RECOMMENDATION LIST.

ONE IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION TO BRING FORWARD ON THE RANKING LIST IN THE STAFF REPORT, A CLERICAL ERROR WAS IDENTIFIED THAT A PREVIOUS VERSION OF THE RANKING LIST WAS USED.

SO THE CORRECT VERSION AS APPROVED BY THE LAMP BOARD HAS BEEN MADE AVAILABLE. PREVIOUS VERSION TOTALED UP EACH OF THE 9 BOARD MEMBER SCORES FROM THE PROPERTY EVALUATION MATRIX. HOWEVER, THE CORRECT VERSION HAS THE SCORES AS AVERAGE VALUES. THERE WAS A LOT OF DELIBERATION ON THAT. THE PROPERTIES ALL REMAIN THE SAME BUT WITH THE AVERAGE SCORE, THE RANKING FOR PROPERTY 1 AND PROPERTY 2 HAVE BEEN SWAPPED. THE FIRST RANKED PROPERTY IS THE MCCULLOUGH CREEK PROPERTY AND THE SECOND RANK IS THE FOREST PROPERTY. THE ACTION FOR THE BOARD STAYED TO CONSIDER THE RANKING LIST APPROVE THE RANKING LIST AS IS OR WITH MODIFICATIONS OR WITH MODIFICATIONS AND GUIDANCE TO THE LAMP BOARD. WITH THAT I'LL HAND IT OVER TO ELIZABETH GUTHRIE TO PRESENT THE PROPERTY LIST.

>> THANK YOU, RYAN. AFTERNOON.

I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE TO PRESENT THE FIRST LAMP BOARD PROPERTY RANKING LIST SINCE THE PROGRAM WAS PUT ON HOLD BACK IN 2008 AND THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER DEAN FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN REINSTATING THIS PROGRAM AND COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THE LAMP ORDNANCE DOES REQUIRE THAT THE BOARD ANNUALLY. SUBMIT AS RANKED LIST OF THE TOP FIVE PROPERTIES TO THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER FOR POTENTIAL ACQUISITION AND CONSERVATION AND THAT'S THE REASON WE ARE HERE TODAY AND I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THESE ARE THE PROPOSLS OF THE LAMP BOARD BUT THE ULTIMATE DECISION AS TO HOW AND WHICH PROPERTIES ARE SELECTED TO MOVE FORWARD ARE UP TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

THE LAMPT BOARD EVALUATED SIX PROPERTIES IN 2022 AND AN OVERVIEW IS PROVIDED HERE. AS WE MENTIONED, IT CAME TO US IN A NUMBER OF WAYS BUT AS OF THIS MEETING, THEY ARE ALL

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THE PROPERTY THAT RECEIVED THE HIGHEST SCORES, THE CREEK PROPERTY, OWNED BY IL PROPERTIES LLC, APPROXIMATELY 17 ACRE AND DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE COUNTY'S MCCULL LAW CREEK CONSERVATION AREA. THE ACQUISITION OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE EXIFGHT CONSERVATION AREA AND COULD PROVIDE POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL RECREATIONAL ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, TO THE PROPERTY'S TRAILS AND POTENTIALLY A SMALL BOAT LAUNCH. THE SUPERIOR COURT A MIXTURE OF UPLANDS AS WELL AS THE FLOOD PLAINS WETLANDS ASSOCIATED WITH MCCULLOUGH ROOKIE AND IT IS WITHIN THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER BLUE-WAY AREA FOR FLORIDA FOREVER WHICH IS THE STATE'S ACQUISITION PROGRAM. NEXT WE HAVE COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH. THIS PROPERTY IS CLOSE TO THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WHICH IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE MAP THERE WITH MCCULLOUGH COVE. THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED BY PICALOTTA FOREST GROUP LLC AND THE LARGEST PROPERTY THAT WE EVALUATED AS THE LAMP BOARD AT ABOUT 457 ACRES.

THERE ARE SOME HARDWOOD WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY BUT MOST OF THE ACHE VAJ IMPLANTED PINE. THIS IS A WORKING FOREST PROPERTY AND HAS BEEN IN PRODUCTION FOR SEVERAL GENERATIONS. THE EXISTING FORESTRY ROAD NETWORK ON THE PROPERTY COULD POSSIBLY BE UTILIZED FOR PASSIVE RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES. THE PROPERTY WAS ALSO FORMALLY THE SITE OF A LUMBER RAILROAD IN THE EARLY 1900SS WHICH WAS OPERATED BY THE CUMBERLIN COMPANY SO ALSO POTENTIAL FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ON THE PROPERTY AND HISTORY AND FORESTRY IN OUR AREA. MOVING OVER TO THE COAST, OUR THIRD RANKED PROPERTY IS ANCE STAIRIAN -- ANASTASIA LAKES.

IT IS 49 ACRES OF SALT MARSH. SALT MARSH SYSTEMS ARE IMPORTANT AS HABITAT FOR WILDLIFE, FILTERING POLLUTE AMOUNTS FROM OUR WATER AND PROTECTING AGAINST STORM SURGE.

THE OWNER IS INTERESTED IN POTENTIALLY SELLING THE LARGER NORTHERN PARCEL AND DONATING THE SOUTHERN PARCEL TO THE CITY.

THE SOUTHERN PARCEL IS WHEN THE CITY LIMITS OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, WHICH IS OUTSIDE THE PURR FEW OF THE LAMP AREA.

FOURTH PROPERTY IS COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH FROM THE RIVERDALE AREA. OWNER IS FREDERICK LANCE TRUSTEE. THIS PROPERTY IS A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF THE MCCULLOUGH CREEK CONSERVATION AREA WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER OF THE MAP.

IT'S COMPROMISED AT THREE PARCELS OF 10 ACRES EACH.

IT'S LOCATED IN A PREDOMINATELY AGRICULTURAL AREA BUT COULD POTENTIALLY BE USED FOR TRAILS OR A SMALL PARK.

AND PROPERTY NUMBER 5, 600 STATE ROAD 13 NORTH IN FRUIT COVE, THE OWNER IS FIRST COAST ENERGY. THIS WAS PROPERTY RECOMMENDED LAST YEAR BY COMMISSIONERS DEAN AND BLOCKER.

THE FORMER WAS A LANDSCAPE NURSERY AND DIVIDED BY A ROADWAY THAT AND A NOTE THAT WE HAVE RECENTLY LEARNED THE OWNER IS ONLY INTERESTED IN SELLING THE NORTH PARCEL SO WE'RE REALLY ONLY LOOKING AT PROXIMATE TWO ACRE NORTHERN PARCEL.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

>> MS. GUTHRIE, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE NOT TAKING ANYBODY'S LAND.

THIS WOULD BE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND LAND OWNERS. THESE PEOPLE WANT TO SELL.

>> CORRECT, THIS IS A WILLING SELLER PROGRAM, SO WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF CONDEMNATION OR IMMINENT DOMAIN.

>> YOU TOUCHED ON IT BUT WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR TO

EVERYBODY. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE MAP OF VOTING, HOW YOU RANKED IT.

IT'S ONE OF THE SECOND THINGS YOU 20 TO.

RIGHT THERE. SO THE NUMBER 1 PLRKS ADAMS RECUSED, WHAT'S THAT MEAN? LIKE DOES THAT CHANGE THE END

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LAMP PROPORTY AND? >> HE DOES NOT OWN THE PROPERTY BUT LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY AND HE DEFERRED TO

RECUSE HIMSELF FROM THE VOTING. >> AND THE OTHER THING IS NO. 4, IT DOESN'T SEEM CONPARTICULARROUS OR TOGETHER AND DON'T KNOW -- CONTIGUOUS OR TOGETHER, IF YOU COULD GET ALL OF THEM TOGETHER, THAT'D BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND IN THE THE SECOND ONE I LOVE, BUT I CAN'T AFFORD IT.

BUT MAYBE WE CAN DO THE TAX INCENTIVE WHERE YOU HAVE THE CHECK MARK IF YOU WANT TO DONATE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> I HAVE A QUICK SORT OF HOUSEKEEPING QUESTION.

IT INVOLVES APPRAISALS, OR ESTIMATES OF VALUE.

IF YOU LOOK AT BACK-UP UNDER EACH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, I FIND IT EXTREME THAT SOME OF THEM A LIST PRICE AND SOME OF THEM HAD A MARKET VALUE AND SOME OF THEM HAD NEITHER OR ONE EACH, NOT THE OTHER. BUT ANYWAY, HOW DID THE STAFF ARRIVE AT MARKET VALUE? I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE ANY MAI APPRAISALS. IS THAT A GUESSTIMATE OF SOME KIND BASED ON THE VALUATIONS OF THE TAX IDS.

>> SOME OF THEM CAME IN WITH AN APPRAISAL WITH THE JT JOHNS COUNTY DEPARTMENT FOR REAL ESTATE BUT I BELIEVE SOME OF THEM WERE LISTED AS -- FOR SALE AND THE REST WERE GOTTEN FROM

THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS. >> AS WE GO FORWARD WITH TRANSPARENCY, I THINK WE ALL SHOULD TAKE NOTE THAT THIS MATERIAL SHOWS MOST OF THE PROPERTIES WITH A HIGH LIST PRICE AND A VERY LOW MARKET VALUE, AND WHEN YOU HAVE THINGS ON THE RECORD IN GOLF, IT'S NO LONGER SECRET, SO ALL I'M SAYING IS I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE NOTE OF THAT TODAY AS WE GO FORWARD AND NOT HAVE THIS COME UP AND SIT FOR MONTHS.

MAYBE I WAS REMISS WHEN I HAD MY BRIEFING.

THIS IS SORT OF MY PAST LIFE. AND I MAY FOLLOW UP WITH GUYS AND LOOK AT THE MARKET VERSUS LIST PRICE WHEN IT'S LISTED.

IN SOME CASES IT'S NOT, AND WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.

I'M ALL ON BOARD ON THE THE PROGRAM AND ON BOARD ON THIS LIST. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THE MARKET VALUE. WE ARE ALSO APPROVING THE PRICES

OF PURCHASE. >> THAT'S REALLY A STAFF QUESTION BUT I WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT.

ALL WE'RE DOING IN MY OPINION IS PROVING THE RANGTING FOR THE PROJECTS AND TURN IT OVER TO THE THE STAFF TO GO AND TRY TO NEGOTIATE OUR BEST DEAL, WHICH ALWAYS WILL COME BACK TO US FOR FINAL APPROVAL. WE'RE NOT LOCKED INTO ANYTHING

THAT IS CORRECT. >> GOOD.

ONE FOR ONE. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> PUBLIC ACCIDENT IN.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> HOW'S THIS WORK?

>> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?

>> STEVE GLIDDON. 10690 COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH.

32O92 AND I REPRESENT THESE FOUR INDIVIDUALS WHO OWN THE NUMBER 2 RANKED PROPERTY THAT IS ON COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH.

THAT'S MY BROTHER-IN-LAW PAUL, SISTER-IN-LAW PAMELA, WIFE CINDY, BROTHER-IN-LAW DAVE. OKAY.

THEY HAVE THEIR GRANDFATHER AND THEMSELVES AND THEIR PARENTS WHO HAVE OWNED THIS LAND AS A FARM FOR BETTER THAN 100 YEARS.

SO THIS IS A BIG DEAL FOR US. WE DON'T WANT TO STEP AWAY FROM THIS LAND WITHOUT KNOWING THAT IT'S GOING TO A RESPONSIBLE

SITUATION. >>> WITH THAT, THE BOARD HAS EXCITED THESE FOLKS AND MYSELF WITH THE REALTY STATION THAT -- REALIZATION THAT SOMETHING GOOD COULD COME OUT OF THIS, AND I HEARD YOUR COMMENT ABOUT I CAN'T AFFORD IT.

LET'S JUST LOOK AND SEE LET'S JUST FIND OUT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A MILLION DIFFERENT WAYS TO AFFORD IT.

I'M HERE TO HELP YOU IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF MY FAMILY, I DON'T TONE FOR THE

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THEY DO. YOU ABOUT I KNOW HOW TO GET AHOLD OF THEM, SO LET ME KNOW HOW I CAN HELP.

>> THANK YOU. >> HELLO, I AM CHAD.

I ALSO REPRESENT THE OWNERS OF THIS 450 AIR, PARCEL, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO ALL OF YOU ABOUT WHAT I'M GRATEFUL FOR.

I AM GRATEFUL THAT A MAN NAMED HENRY ARNOLD TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF TO CREATE A THRIVING AGRICULTURAL BUSINESS THAT HELPED HIM TO PURCHASE WHAT IS TODAY 1250 ACRE AND ALSO TO RAISE NOT ONLY TWO OF HIS OWN CHILDREN BUT ADOPT TWO OTHERS, AS WELL. ONE OF THOSE BEING MY MOTHER ALSO. I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE ABUNDANCE THAT LAND COULD BRING. THERE IS NO REASON THAT THIS PROPERTY CANNOT SATISFY THE NEEDS OF MANY RATHER THAN A FEW.

AND I HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY THAT GENEROSITY AND PRACTICING MA TIM ARE A SHARED FAMILY VALUE TO THE ARNOLDS.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO SHARING THE IDEAS WITH ALL OF YOU.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THE PRENGTS HERE FROM THE LAMP BOARD.

I'M A LAMP SUPPORTER FROM WAY BACK AND THANK YOU ALL FOR RECONSTITUTING IT. THINKING BACK TO PROJECT BREEZE, WHICH WE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT BECAUSE IT WAS CLASSIFIED AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY, I DO HAVE HAVE TO EXPRESS A LITTLE BIT OF SURPRISE AND HENRY I THINK YOU WERE RIGHT IN THE OPEN BUT THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MARKET PRICE AND LIST PRICE BEING DIFFERENT, AND I DID TALK TO THE GLIDDONS WITH MY SPOILER ALERT HERE, BUT ANOTHER SPOILER ALERT JUST SEEMS TO ME RATHER THAN TO MAKE PUBLIC WHAT THESE PROPERTIES ARE AND POSSIBLY FIND THE OWNER WANTING TO THEREFORE INCREASE THEIR ASKING PRICE JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO ME THAT AN PROJECT BREEZE APPROACH WOULD HAVE BEEN PREFERABLE.

JUST TO NEGOTIATE WITH THESE FOLKS WITHOUT IT BEING AS OPEN AS IT IS. I'M HAPPY TO SEE ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES. VERY HAPPY THAT MANY OF THEM ARE ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE FLORIDA FOREVER AREAS.

YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE IDENTIFIED AS SIGNIFICANT HOLDINGS, IF THEY COULD BE ACQUIRED, COULD BECOME COMPLETE TRAILS AND CONNECTED WETLANDS AS OPPOSED TO FRAGMENTED STRUCTURES HERE.

SO I WOULD JUST SUGGEST LOOKING ESPECIALLY AT THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY A PART OF FLORIDA FOREVER.

IN TERMS OF STAFF NEGOTIATING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO SET A PRIVATE PRICE GIVE THEM A CHECK FOR X MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND SAY GO PLEASE MAKE OUR BEST DEAL I DON'T KNOW WHAT LATITUDE THEY WILL HAVE IN THEIR NEGOTIATIONS BUT BEST OF LUCK TO THEM.

SO REALLY HAPPY THAT THIS IS IN FRONT OF YOU AND HOPE YOU WILL ENDORSE THE LIST AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ALL RIGHT, BACK TO THE BOARD. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION UNLESS THERE IS A COMMENT --

>> SURE. I THINK THE FACT THAT THE GLIDDON FAMILY CAME HERE FOR BIGGEST NICEST PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS GROWTH AREA OF OUR COUNTY, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF SOMEONE DID LOOK AT THAT THANK YOU.

>> AND LET ME JUST IN RESPONSE TO THOSE COMMENTS, MY DIRECTION FROM ONE COMMISSIONER TO STAFF IS TO GO GET THIS PROPERTY AT THE LOWEST PRICE POSSIBLE AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO US TO EITHER APPROVE IT OR DENY IT. WE HAVE THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

AND I CERTAINLY HOPE WE'RE NOT SENDING STAFF OUT WITH A OPEN CHECKBOOK FOR THE FIRST TWO OR THREE PURCHASES.

LOWEST PRICE POSSIBLE. EVERYBODY HEARD THAT? STAFF? OKAY.

SO I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> YES, SIR. >> MOTION TO APPROVE THE LAMP CONSERVATION BOARD PROPERTY RANK LIST, FINDING IT CONSISTENT WITH

[7. Ordinance Establishing Procedures for Code Enforcement Lien Release or Reduction.]

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>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 5-0, CONGRATULATIONS, EVERYONE. WE ARE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7 WHICH IS ORDNANCE ESTABLISHMENT AND PROCEDURES, CODE ENFORCE AM LIEN RELEASE FOR REDUCTION.

GREAT TO SEE YOU, HOW ARE YOU? >> GOOD TO SEE YOU, YES.

BRADLEY BOLTICE WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

OVER THE NEXT TWO HOURS I'M GOING TO LAY OUT THE HISTORY OF -- NO? OKAY.

>> HOW MANY DO WE NEED FOR A QUORUM? A PROPOSED ORDNANCE THAT THIS BOARD HAD AUTHORIZED...

TO ACCEPT THAT RECOMMENDATION, TO MODIFY IT, TO OBJECT IT OR TO ADD TRADITIONS OR HOWEVER YOU WISH TO PROCEED.

AND IF THERE'S A CONDITION THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY SOME AMOUNT, THAT THAT WOULD BE DONE IN THE THE NEXT 30 DAYS AND IF THE BOARD WERE TO DENY AN APPLICATION THEN THE PERSON COULD NOT COME BACK FOR ANOTHER YEAR TO SEEK FURTHER RELIEF.

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BUT NOT TO I HAVE COST INCURRED BY THE COUNTY, FOR INSTANCE YOU COULD CONSIDER ADDING ADDITIONAL ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA, RATE NOW IT SAYS YOU CAN'T DO SO WITH I HAVE PENDING VIOLATIONS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY BUT COULD ADD FOR ANY PROPERTY WITHIN THE COUNTY, SOME INJURINGS MAKE IT A REBULGES PRESUMPTION THAT YOU WILL NOT BE GRANTING THE APPLICATION.

THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN HERE EITHER.

I THINK THE IDEA HE WILL THE BOARD MAKE THAT DECISION.

I HAVE RECEIVED SOME CORRESPONDENCE FROM RESIDENTS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND POINT OF CLARIFICATION THIS IS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO SHORT TERM RENTALS AS IT COMES ON THE BACKEND OF ANY CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION WHEN THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A FINE AND THAT HOARD BEEN RECORDED AND A LIEN HAS BEEN RECORD ON THE PROPERTY SO THIS IS NOT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VIOLATIONS BUT FORGIVING.

I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY OTHER FUNDS.

WE DID PRESENT THIS TO THE ENT FORCEMENT BOARD AND THEY HAD SOME QUESTIONS BUT DIDN'T RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES FOR THIS PROPOSED ORDNANCE. SO AT THIS TIME THIS IS THE FIRST READING SO THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION.

I'M HAPPY TO HERE ANY -- HEAR ANY DIRECTION OR THOUGHTS YOU MIGHT HAVE ANY CHANGES TO IT OTHERWISE IT COULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A SECOND READING AT A LATER DAY.

[8. Countywide Strategic Plan.]

>> ON TO ITEM NUMBER 8, MR. CONRAD, COUNTYWIDE STRATEGIC PLAN DISCUSSION ITEM. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT STARTED THIS MORNING.

I'LL BRIEFLY SET THE STAGE AND OBVIOUSLY I WILL TURN IT OVER TO Y'ALL. LET ME JUST SAY THE FUNDING IS ALREADY IN PLACE. THERE'S NO FUNDING REQUIREMENT FOR THIS, IT'S PART OF THE BRANDING INITIATIVE.

THOSE ARE FUNDS IN PLACE TO HIRE CONSULTANTS TO BEGIN PROCUREMENT, SHOULD THE BOARD CHOOSE TO DO SO.

CERTAINLY THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT MYSELF OR THE ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM WANTED TO GO ON AND ABOUT WITHOUT GETTING SIGNIFICANT BOARD APPROVAL AND COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.

SO WE HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN. ADOPTED BY INTERNATIONAL CITY AND A PROFESSIONAL STANDARD IN MOVING FORWARD.

IT IS DIFFERENT FROM A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH IS USED FOR YOU ALL TO DEFEND AND MAKE YOUR LAND USE DECISIONS.

THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS ABOUT ALIGNING MISSION, VISION, VALUES, PRIORITIES, GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT THE BOARD ALREADY HAS BUT MAY CHOOSE TO UPDATE.

THEY WERE UPDATED TWO YEARS AGO FOR THE FIRST TIME IN EIGHT YEARS AND WOULD BE UPDATED AGAIN.

THAT PROCESS WOULD INCLUDE A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS, VERY LIKELY IN EACH CORNER OF THE COUNTY PROBABLY IN EACH DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS PLACE AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS BEYOND JUST THAT, INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH THE BOARD THAT USE THE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES WOULD HAVE THE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE WHAT THE STRATEGIC PLAN LOOKS LIKE OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE OR 10 YEARS.

I THINK THAT COULD BE DECIDED OBVIOUSLY AT A LATER DATE.

THIS IS REALLY TO DAY JUST TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK.

OBVIOUSLY WE HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER JOSEPH THIS MORNING AND COMMISSIONER DEAN. I WILL CONFIRM THAT COMMISSIONER DEAN'S PLANS COULD BE GOOD OR BAD.

THEY COULD BE A PUBLICITY STUNT AND JUST PR AND OFTENTIMES THEY ARE BUT MANY TIMES THEY PROVIDE A COMMON GOLD AND VISION THAT EVERYONE CAN RALLY AROUND. I HAVE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY WITH THIS MOVE AND TREND TOWARD ADOPTING THESE PLANS, YOU MAY SET OUT THE PLAN AND THE BOARD CHOOSES TO DO SO AND ANNUALLY. THOSE WOULD BE AFFIRMED AND THE

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I THINK THIS IS ONE MORE TOOL IN YOUR QIFER TO TELL THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE LISTENING. I BELIEVE IT GOES RIGHT ALONG WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE BRANDING INITIATIVE, THE UPDATE ON THE WEBSITE WHICH SHOULD ALL BE COMING IN THE FALL IT'LL BE LAID OUT ACTUALLY SOONER THAN THAT, PROBABLY IN MAY. SO AT THIS PONT I WOULD LEAVE IT TO YOU ALL FOR DISCUSSION AND THEN THERE IS A MOTION.

WHAT I WILL DO TODAYED IS IF THERE IS NO DIRECTION I WILL ASSUME THAT WE USE THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE UNTIL FURTHER THE BRABTDING INITIATIVE AND I WON'T MOVE FORWARD BUT THERE IS MOTION FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER. IF YOU WANT TO DIRECT MYSELF AND STAFF TO PROCURE A CONSULTANT FOR A DEVELOPMENT OF A STRATEGIC PLAN WHICH WOULD BE MY INTENT. WE'VE REACHED OUT TO A NUMBER OF COUNTIESES THAT HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS AND ALSO REACHED OUT TO DETERMINE THE TIMELINE, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A 6 TO 12 MONTH WINDOW SO IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO DO AND U.S. REPRESENTATIVES WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I WOULD SAY NOW IS PROBABLY THE BEST TIMING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO HOPEFULLY BE DONE AS WE MOVE INTO THE BUDGET CYCLE OF '25. THEREBY ALIGNING OUR BUDGET AND THE PRIORITIES OF THE BUDGET CAN THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS WOULD BE ADOPTED BY THIS BOARD WITH RESIDENT FEEDBACK.

SO THAT'S MY INITIAL COMMENTS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BUT I THINK PROBABLY BEST APPROPRIATE FOR YOU ALL TO DISCUSS AMONGST YOURSELVES WHAT YOU'D LIKE THAT DO AND GIVE US DIRECTION ONE WAY OR THE OVERNIGHT.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CONRAD. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> HI AGAIN SO HIRING A CONSULTANT IS A LOT OF MONEY.

WORKSHOPS, INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS, THINGS CHANGE IN A YEAR, AND YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AHEAD IN FIVE YEARS AND WE COULDN'T HAVE SEEN COVID COMING. WE COULDN'T -- YOU KNOW, LET ME JUST HEAR SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE WERE GIVEN.

SERVICE VALUE FOR TAXES AND FEES.

EASY CONVENIENT ACCESS TO COUNTY INFORMATION.

AREN'T WE DHOOG AND IS THAT NOT ALREADY ON THE WEBSITES, REALLY, WHERE PEOPLE LOOK FOR INFORMATION? LONG TERM CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITY, WORKING WITH THE CITIES ON POLICY DIRECTION, DEVELOPING HOUSING ALTERNATIVES, EXPANDING A CONNECTION OF COUNTYWIDE TRAIL SYSTEM.

THERE'S SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT CHANGING ALL OF OUR POLICE CARS TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES. CONNECT 50,000 VOLUNTEERS WITH SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES. I MEAN, WE HAVE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE DOING ALL OF THESE THINGS RIGHT NOW.

SUSTAIN A CULTURE OF TRANSPARENCY, ACCESSIBLEBILITY, ACCOUNTABILITY, CIVILITY AND THE HIGHEST STANDADS OF PUBLIC SERVICE. THIS IS LIKE WORD SALAD AND IT'S KIND OF, I THINK, A WASTE OF OUR TIME AND MONEY WHEN WE DEFINITELY HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES, WE HAVE ROAD ISSUES, WE HAVE THINGS THAT -- AND FRANKLY A CONSULTANT IS GOING TO COME IN WHO DUNN EVEN KNOW OUR COUNTY. YOU KNOW OUR COUNTY.

I THINK YOU COULD SET YOUR OWN GOALS AND STRATEGIES JUST WITH US AND NOT DO ALL THIS WORKSHOP. TARGETS, REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS STEMMING FROM COUNTY OPERATIONS.

DOUBLE SOLAR POWER GENERATION AT COUNTY FILLS.

I MEAN -- WAIT, I'VE GOT ONE MORE.

I'VE SEE THESE GOALS ALREADY. I'M SORRY, THAT'S WHERE I STAND

AND I'M DONE TALKING NOW. >> COMMISSIONER NOT TO CHANGE YOUR MIND AT ALL BUT JUST TO -- SO YOU'RE AWARE, THE GOAL -- AND I ASSUME THAT THAT ONE THAT YOU'RE REFERENCE SOMETHING PROBABLY ONCOUNTY. I'M NOT 100% SURE.

THE SPECIFIC THINGS, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THOSE GOALS THAT MAY BE LAID OUT IN OTHER COUNTIES WOULD

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I THINK THOSE MAY BE THINGS THAT FIT THOSE UNITS BUT CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE INDICATIVE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

>> BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT, THE POINT IS OUR TIME AND EFFORT AND WE ALL HAVE LIVES AS WELL AS DOING THIS JOB AND YOU HAVE THE JOB AND THEY ALL HAVE THE JOB. IF WE'RE SIDETRACKED, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE THE TRAFFIC, THE GROWTH, ALL THE ISSUES THAT ARE ON THE TABLE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN A HURRICANE COMES, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT DOESN'T MATTER AND I'M DONE NOW. I CAN STOP NOW?

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO

SPEAK? >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

>> YEAH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, I COMPLETELY DISAGREE. I'VE SEEN JUST HOW SUCCESSFUL THESE STRATEGIC PLANS CAN BE AND I THINK THE TIMING RIGHT NOW FOR US WITH THE BRANDING INITIATIVE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FEEDBACK I'M GETTING FROM RESIDENTS IT'S WHERE ARE WE GOING, HOW DID WE GET HERE? I THINK IT WOULD BE -- I THINK IT WOULD BE SUCH AN ASSET TO US AND YOU TOUCHED ON IT ADMINISTRATOR CONRAD, ONE AREA I BELIEVE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND I THINK WE CAN IMPROVE ON IS POSITIVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

I CONSIDER MY ROLE -- I TAKE MY ROLE VERY SERIOUSLY ON MAKING PUBLIC DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF MY CONSTITUENTS AND THE RESIDENTS.

AND WHETHER OR NOT OUR RESIDENTS ARE QUALITY INFORMED OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AT THE COUNTY I BELIEVE TO BE VITAL IMPORTANCE IN AN AREA OF WHICH WE CAN APPROVE.

I DON'T FEEL ANYONE I'VE SPOKEN TO HAS HEARD ABOUT THE ACTION WE TOOK LAST MEETING WITH THE DEFAULT ON 16.

I'VE HAD COUNTLESS PEOPLE COME AND TALK TO ME AND SAY THEY HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION CENTER.

I DON'T THINK AS A WHOLE WE'RE TELLING OUR STORY AND I JUST HID IT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO FOCUS ON THAT AS WELL AS OTHER STRATEGIC INITIATIVES TO GUIDE OUR COUNTY AND WHERE IT'S GOING AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED MORE TAXES BUT I DON'T THINK A STRATEGIC PLAN IS TO INCREASE TAXES BUT QUITE FRANKLY IT'S A BETTER WAY FOR US TO UNDERSTAND AND STRATEGIZE AND PRIORITIZE HOW TO BEST SPEND THE TAXES WE COLLECT.

SO I'M 100% IN FAVOR OF THIS AND I THINK AS YOU SAID THE TIMING IS RIGHT FOR BRANDING. I JUST THINK THIS SHOULD BE DONE. IT SHOULD BE GOOD.

WE SHOULD GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER

ARNOLD. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AND I AS WELL HEAR FROM MY 29S AS WELL, WHAT'S THE PLAN MOVING FORWARD. AND SO I WOULD AS WELL BE IN FAVOR OF, YOU KNOW, INITIATING A COUNTYWIDE STRATEGIC PLAN.

WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES COMING BEFORE US OBVIOUSLY WITH THE GROWTH OF TRANSPORTATION AND STRUCTURE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUDGET, WE HAVE ALL OF THESE ISSUES COMING FORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK HAVING A STRATEGIC PLAN AND DO ECHO COMMISSIONER ARNOLD'S COMMENTS AS WELL AS HAVING THE POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT AND LETTING FOLKS KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, THAT WE ARE WORKING ON THE ISSUES, THAT WE DID HAVE A TRANSPORTATION SUMMIT SO I DO THINK THESE ISSUES ARE IMPORTANT AND COINCIDES WITH THE BRANDING THAT THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO SEEK PUTTING SOMETHING LIKE THIS TOGETHER.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER OWEN.

>> I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS, AND MR. CONRAD FOR TO YOU SAY THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO COST US ANY EXTRA MONEY, WHEN I HEARD COMMISSIONER DEAN START TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF THIS MORNING RELATED TO THIS, THAT WAS PRIMARY CONCERN TO NOT JUST FLUSH MONEY DOWN THE TOILET, MAYBE JUST REASSURE ME.

YOU PROBABLY STAYED TWICE, SAY IT AGAIN.

WHY DON'T WE HAVE TO SPHEND SPEND ANY EXTRA NO ONE.

>> YES, SIR. WE ALREADY HAVE I BELIEVE -- AND I WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM MR. DUNN AND TALK TO HIM ABOUT THIS DEM ITEM BEFORE WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

I BELIEVE WE ALREADY HAVE A MILLION-DOLLARS FOR THE BRANDING INITIATIVE AND SO THIS -- IF WE WERE TO LAUNCH IT THIS YEAR, THAT MONEY, CERTAINLY NOT -- AND I CAN TALK ABOUT COSTS, AND BY THE WAY, I THINK IT'S A GOOD WAY TO TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL COSTS THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN AS MUCH INFORMATION FROM% SURROUNDING COUNTIES IN FACT AS WE COULD.

BUT SOME OF THOSE -- SOME THAT HAVE MONEY COULD BE USED TO DO THIS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO A BUDGET TRANSFER BUT ALL AROUND STRATEGIC PLANNING.

THERE'S NOTHING ELSE NEEDED. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A MILLION THIS YEAR IN IMPLEMENT TRACE FROM A BRANDING STANDPOINT. IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD THE MONEY IS IN THIS BUDGET THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD. LET ME, COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY, GIVE YOU A FEW ESTIMATES. SO SANTA ROSA, OBVIOUSLY A SMALLER COUNTY THAN US. I WANT TO SAY THEY'RE PROBABLY

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SO I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO CONCLUDE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 200 TO $350,000.

THEY DID USE A CONSULTANT. OBVIOUSLY LEON COUNTY HAS A DIFFERENT ELECTED REPRESENTATION THAN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND THE STAFF THAT WORKED ON THIS FOR ME, THAT THEY HAVE AN ENTIRE TEAM THAT IS DEVOTED SOLELY TO THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN RELATED TO TRACKING THEIR INITIATIVES, UPDATING THEIR WEB SITES, DOING THIS.

THAT WOULD NOT BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

THE BOARD SHOULD GO AND HIRE FOUR TO FIVE PEOPLE OR EXTEND A LOT OF ADDITIONAL RESOURCES. I HAVE TWO MEMBERS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS A PROJECT LEAD AND TECHNICAL LEAD THAT AT THED -- HELPED TO FA TILL TATE EVERYTHING.

SHOULD THE BOARD DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO USE A CONSULTANT AND FOR STAFF NOT TO DO IT. TO BE FRANK WITH YOU WHILE WE COULD ADOPT A STRATEGIC PLAN, WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO THIS INTERNALLY AND IT WOULD NOT BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO GO AND HIRE NEW STAFF TO START THIS PROCESS.

I FIGURE THAT WOULD BE QUICKLY WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLARS HIRE SIX OR SEVEN PEOPLE WITH THE EXPERIENCE, THE REQUISITE EXPERIENCE TO DEVELOP A FULL COUNTY-WIDE STRATEGIC PLAN FROM AN INTERNAL STAFFING PERSPECTIVE.

SO A LOT OF INFORMATION BUT I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT END UP ASKING WHAT DO YOU THINK THE PROPOSED COST WOULD BE.

SO IN FULL DISCLOSURE, IN MY EXPECTATIONS THAT'S IT.

THE MOMENT WE START TALKING ABOUT COSTS PUBLICALLY, ANY CONSULTANTS ARE LISTED SAYING THAT'S THE MONEY THEY'VE GOT, SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE QUOTE. IT'S A CATCH-22.

YOU WANT TO BE TRNS AND PARENT KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE FOG AND WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING YOUR MONEY ON.

BUT AS SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER IT KIND OF PULLS YOUR HAND THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE DOWN THE ROAD BUT I DO THINK THAT'S THE RANGE OF WHAT THIS COMMISSION MAY BE LOOKING AT.

>> THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT QUESTION.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, LEON COUNTY IS NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO MODEL OURSELVES AFTER. NOT ONLY THAT A THIRD OF THE

RESIDENTS LIVE IN THE COUNTY. >> I'M FROM TALLAHASSEE WHICH IS IN LEON COUNTY. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT HERE.

I'VE HEARD A LOT OF -- I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED TO HEAR AND HAPPY TO HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AND DEAN THIS MORNING, I HAD NEVER HEARD ANYBODY AGAINST A STRATEGIC PLAN BUT HEARD FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPRESSING FRUSTRATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE. WHY DON'T WE HAVE A CORRIDOR WHERE WE CAN BUILD LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

WHY DON'T WE HAVE PLACES WHERE THE FUTURE JOBS THAT WE ALL WANT -- I THINK IN THEORY, SERVE EXPRESSING WE WANT JOBS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. COMMUNITY 101 TELL US IF THERE'S JOBS CLOSER TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND TAKES TRIPS OFF TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS, IT'S BETTER FOR TRAFFIC, IT'S BETTER FOR LIFESTYLE, AND BETTER FOR STRESS ON OUR ENVIRONMENT, IF WE HAVE JOBS CLOSE HOME BUT WHEN WE GO AND SEE ECONOMIC PROPOSAL, NOBODY WANTS IT NEAR THEIR HOME AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN A SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION FOR FOLKS WHO AREN'T IN CONTACT WITH EACH OTHER, JUST -- THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THESE JOBS ARE SUPPOSED TO GO SO HOW CAN WE AS COMMISSIONERS PLAN FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WITHOUT A STRATEGIC PLAN.

SO THAT'S ONE THING. AND, TWO, WE HAVE INEVITABLE GROWTH. I MOVED TO THE COUNTY IN '98, IT WAS A COUNTY OF ABOUT 100,000 PEOPLE.

TODAY WE'RE ABOUT 300,000. SO WITH THE INEVITABLE GROWTH THAT WILL CONTINUE WITH THE NUMBER ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT, 43 MILES OF COASTLINE, LOW TAXES, HOW MANY SCHOOLS DO WE NEED, HOW MANY MILES WIDENING ON THE ROADS DO WE NEED? HOW MANY PARKS DO WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THE INEVITABLE GROWTH THAT WILL COME IN THE NECK 10 YEARS? I THINK IT'S A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT COULD HELP US ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS SO FOR THOSE REASONS SPECIFICALLY I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT A STRATEGIC PLAN WOULD BE WOULD BE A GOOD THING JUST AS A GUIDELINE BUT CERTAINLY HAPPY TO BE TALKED OUT OF IT IF THERE'S A REASON NOT TO. ABOUT, YOU'VE TALKED ME INTO IT.

I RELUCTANTLY AGREE TO GO FORWARD BECAUSE YOU TALKED ME

INTO IT. >>> WELL, THANK YOU I THINK.

>> YOU FLIPPED ME. >> DID I?

>> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT CAN'T A GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN BE A PART

OF A STRATEGIC PLAN? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> TO ME THEY WORK HAND IN HAND. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> BUT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE GROWTH MANAGEMENT INCORPORATED INTO OUR

STRATEGIC PLAN? >> WELL, I WANT -- I THINK FOR ME PERSONALLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS FOR US TO REALLY

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I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN TO SLOW THAT DOWN.

WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT AUGUST 24 AND THAT WILL BE ON US

REAL QUICK. >> YES, SIR.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE? MR. CONRAD, WE'RE HAVING AN OPEN DISUPTION HERE, BUT IS THAT

CLEAR DIRECTION TO YOU? >> YOU MEAN A MOTION? THE STRENGTHIC PLAN ACCOMPLISHED.

>> YES, SIR. I I THINK A MOTION IS APPROPRIATE BUT IT'S VERY CLEAR TO ME AND TO COMMISSIONER DEAN'S POINT, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I DO BELIEVE THAT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO LAND USE AND PUBLIC POLICY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A PRIORITY. THAT'S REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE AND ULTIMATELY THAT IS WHAT WILL GUIDE YOUR DECISIONS AND WHAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO LEGALLY DEFEND IN THE FUTURE SO THAT WILL BE AND ALWAYS REMAIN A PRIORITY.

SO I HEAR THE BOARD LOUD AND CLEAR ON MAKING SURE THAT REMAINS THE PRIORITY AND A STRATEGIC PLAN COMES ALONG AND WORKS THAT TOGETHER WITH THE BRANDING, ADDITIONALLY WITH THE PUBLIC RELATIONS AND TELLING THE STORY OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN A MORE WHOLELISTIC WAY. SO A MOTION WOULD BE

APPRECIATED. >> AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

COULD BE A PART OF THAT AS WELL. >> AND I THINK YOU MAY ALSO BE AWARE THAT THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS ALREADY OUT FOR BID AND BEING DONE AS PART OF THIS ALSO. SO IT'S ALL INCLUDED.

AND THAT DAY WITH MS. ANDREWS AND ECONOMIC TEAM HAVE ALREADY

BEEN WORKING ON THAT. >> I'LL AGREE TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN IF IT HAS THE FOCUS OF WHAT COMMISSIONER DEAN IS TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S A BUNCH OF FLUFF AND WORD SALAD.

SO IF HE'S INTERESTED IN FOCUSING IT ON WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. BUT THAT'S GOTTA BE IN THE

MOTEL. >> I AGREE WITH MORE ASSESSMENTS. I'M ON BOARD WITH BOTH YOU AND

CHRISTIAN. >> HOW ABOUT THAT.

>> NOW HE'S GOTTA MAKE THE MOTION.

>> SWELL A MOTION ON THE -- I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE IT AND WE CAN

DISCUSS IT IF YOU'D LIKE. >> I'M GOING TO MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DESIGNATEY TO SECURE A FIRM AND CREATE AND COMPLETE A COUNTYWIDE STRATEGIC PLAN WITH THE FOCUS ON GROWTH MANAGEMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

AND COMMUNICATIONS. >> SECOND.

SO THERE'S A MOTION, THERE'S A DISCUSSION.

ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MOTION? >> ED.

>> PUBLIC ACCIDENT. >> WE SHOULD HEAR PUBLIC

COMMENT, THANK YOU. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.

GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M LISA MAGLEN AND THE CHAIR OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY ROUND TABLE AND IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT I'M STANDING UP HERE ON THIS ITEM BECAUSE HAVING A STRATEGIC VISION AND PLAN HAS BEEN THE NUMBER ONE ITEM FOR THE ROUND TABLE.

SECONDLY, I HAD HOPED THAT SOMEBODY FROM NORTHEAST FLORIDA BUILDERS ASSOCIATION COULD BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON TO TALK WITH ME ABOUT THE LETTER WE JUST SENT TO ALL OF YOU, TALKING ABOUT THE NEEDED FOR A LONG-RANGE VISION AND TALKING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF BRINGING ALL STAKEHOLDERS TOGETHER AND I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PRETTY AMAZING PICTURE TO HAVE THE STINTS AND THE BUILDERS STANDING UP HERE TOGETHER.

BUT WE IN AGREEMENT ON A LOT OF THINGS, AND ONE OF THOSE IS THAT WE NEED A PLAN. WE NEED A WAY TO BRING ALL STAKEHOLDERS INTO THE DISCUSSION SO THAT AS WE GO THROUGH BOTH THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS STEP 1 AND THE COMP PLAN, I SEE THEM LINKED TOGETHER. AND THE BUILDERS HAVE TOLD US THAT IN CLAY COUNTY THEY HIRED AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT AND IT'S WORKED REALLY WELL BECAUSE IT HELPED FACILITATE BRINGING IN ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH WHAT I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE TO SUPPORT THIS PLAN AND THE ROUND TABLE AND NORTHEAST BUILDERS ASSOCIATION CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER TO IDENTIFY ITEMS THAT WE ARE IN AGREEMENT ON AND LOOK FORWARD TO PARTICIPATING IN THESE DISCUSSIONS AND STAND READY TO HELP IN ANY WAY WE CAN.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. SO I WAS UP HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN. AND CALLING FOR RESIDENTS TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE. I DID USE IT AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE CHIEF PROJECT WHICH ALL OF YOU HEARD RECENTLY, AND IN WHICH THERE WAS GOOD DIALOGUE BETWEEN A -- IF YOU WILL A GOOD ECONOMIC

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I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. SO I WOULD MIRROR WHAT LISA DID HAVE TO SAY ABOUT VISIONING AND VISIONING FOR THIS TOWN.

WE JUST CAN'T KEEP GROWING EVERYWHERE.

IT HAS TO BE DONE WITH A PURPOSE, AND WE HAVE' GOOD PURPOSE. WE HAVE LEADS TO ARE OVERCAPACITY, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM BUILT SOMEHOW, FIND WAYS TO GET THEM BUILT. DIS?

>> SO THERE'S A LOT OF INTERLOCKING PARTS HERE.

SO JUST STANDING I GUESS IN SUPPORT OF WHAT LISA MCGLEN

[10. Consider an appointment to the Ponte Vedra Zoning & Adjustment Board.]

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ED. >> ?IN ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM OUR BOARD? PASSES 5 5-0. THANK YOU, MR. CONRAD.

WELCOME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

I'M HERE FOR ITEM NO. 10 CONSIDER AN APPOINTMENT TO THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD.

CURRENTLY THERE ARE ONE VACANCY ON THIS BOARD DUE TO THE EXPIRED TERM OF JOHN LYNCH. IT WAS PLACED AND RAN FOR SIX WEEKS. PLEASE FIND FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION A RECOMMENDATION LETTER FROM THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD AND THREE APPLICATIONS.

I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SPENCER?

LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NO. 10.

SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE >> WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.

DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR A NOTION I'M MOVE

[11. Motion to adopt the recommendation by the Tourist Development Council to approve the proposed Arts, Culture and Heritage Funding Program Guidelines attached hereto, with said guidelines being effective for the Fiscal Year 2024 Program. For more information, contact Tera Meeks, Director, Tourism & Cultural Events at 904 209-4428]

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASS 5-0 AND NOW WE'RE ON TO ITEM NO. 11 WHICH IS PREVIOUSLY CONSENT ITEM NO. 11 WHICH MAKES THE ACCOUNTING EASIER. TARA MEEKS, DIRECTOR OF CULTURAL DEVELOPMENTS. I WANT SURE IF HAD YOU ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BUT MADE A SUMMARY SHEET THAT I'M HAPPY TO PUT UP ON THE OVERHEAD. THE AGENDA ITEM IS TO APPROVE THE ANNUAL GUIDELINES FOR THE 2024, THE NEXT GRANT CYCLE OF OUR ARTS CULTURE HERITAGE GRANTS PROGRAM.

THIS IS A LONG-RUNNING PROGRAM THAT'S FUNDED WITH TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX OR BED TAX. I JUST PUT TOGETHER A TABLE THAT SHOWS THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF FUNDING.

THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT'S PRETTY CONSISTENTLY BEEN FUNDED AROUND 500 TO 600,000 DOLLARS FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.

IT DID TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIP IN FISCAL YEAR 21 AND THAT WAS A RESULT OF OUR IMPACTS TO TOURISM FROM COVID.

JUST TAKING TIME FOR ALL OF OUR NONPROFITS TO GET BACK UP AND RUNNING AND GET BACK INTO THE SWING OF THINGS.

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THE MAJOR CHANGES THAT ARE INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS AGENDA ITEM ARE KIND OF LISTED OUT HERE.

THE PRIMARY ONES ARE THAT WE ARE REFOCUSING THE MARKETING EFFORTS OF THESE INITIATIVES OUTSIDE OF OUR IMMEDIATE COUNTY SO WE WANT THEM TO ADVERTISE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER FIELD SO WE GENERAL THE RATING OVERNIGHT STAYS WITH THESE GRANTS.

WE'VE ADDED SOME NEW PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW EVENTS AND NEW OFFERINGS FOR ANYBODY WHO'S HAVING MULTI-YEAR ENTERS SO AFTER YOU'VE OFFERED THIS FOR 30 YEARS WE DO WANT TO SEE THAT YOU'RE BRINGING SOMETHING NEW TO THE THE TABLE SO THAT OVERNIGHT VISITOR WANT TO COME BACK AND REVISIT.

WE'VE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL QUALIFYING CRITERIA FOR THESE EVENTS AGAIN TO TRY TO HELP KEEP THEM FRESH, KEEP THEM NEW AND KEEP PEOPLE COMING BACK YEAR AFTER YEAR.

THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL DID SPECIFICALLY ASK THAT WE INCLUDE A TEN POINT DEDUCTION FOR ANY EVENTS THAT OCCUR WITHIN PEAK SEASON. AT THIS POINT WE DO HAVE A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE PEAK SEASON HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY BUT THE WHOLE YEAR IS NOT PEAK SEASON SO I'M TRYING TO AGAIN FOCUS ON THE TIMES WHEN WE REALLY NEED THE BOOST TO OVERNIGHT STAYS.

WE'VE RAISED THE MINIMUM QUALIFYING SCORE FROM 25 POINT UP TO 80 POINT. THE NATIONAL IF YOU'RE GOING TO GRADE SCHOOL, 80 POINT IS A B MINUS AND WE PROBABLY WON'T WANT ANY EVENTS THAT ARE LOWER THAN A B MINUS.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> CAN YOU GIVE US ONE EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE EVENTS?

>> YEAH. SO WE HAVE A TWO TIERED PROGRAM, THE LIMELIGHT THEATER, LINCOLNVILLE MUSEUM, AND THERE'S ALSO FUNDING FOR ONE TIME EVENTS SUCH AS THE KEL PARTICULAR FESTIVAL, A COUPLE OF FOOD AND ST. AUGUSTINE FESTIVAL, ALL

REGULAR GRANT RECIPIENTS. >> AND HOW DO THEY APPLY?

>> THERE IS -- IN THE GUIDELINES THERE'S THE ACTUAL LINK THAT YOU CAN EITHER GO TO THE COUNTY'S TOURISM WEBPAGE OR THE ST. JOHN'S CULTURE COUNCIL WEBPAGE AND FIND THE LINK TO THE APPLICATION WHEN IT POST NOT GOING TO POST UNTIL LATER IN THE YEAR. THE GUIDELINES HAVE TO BE APPROVED UNTIL WE ACTUALLY LAUNCH THE PROGRAM.

>> OKAY. >> SHOULD WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT? MR. MIGUT?

LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NO. 11.

SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> BACK TO THE BOARD FOR COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR A MOWING.

[Public Comment]

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. >> MOTION TO ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATION BY THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND APPROVE THE PROSPECTED ARTS, CULTURE AND HERITAGE FUNDING PROGRAM GUIDELINES ATTACHED HERE TO WITH SAID GUIDELINES BEING EFFECTIVE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 PROGRAM.

>> SECOND. >> A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OWEN.

DISCUSSION? PASSES 5-0.

THANK YOU, MS. MEANS. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE ON TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. ITEM VICE CHAIR.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS.

EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM.

COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD.

NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL OR PERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOYCEERROUS BEHAVIOR.

-- BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR. AND I WOULD ASK ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT TO THE STAFF OF THE COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO PUBLIC RECORD.

THANK YOU. WELCOME BACK.

>> SO ONCE AGAIN AND ONE FINAL TIME, 1005 BLACK BURGLARY LANE.

I WAS VERY, VERY -- BLACKBERRY LANE.

I WAS VERY HAPPY THIS MORNING WITH YOUR DECISION ON BELLA TARA. A DECENT PROPOSAL BUT IT DID HAVE TO BE WEIGHED AND EVALUATED BASED ON OTHER FACTORS, WHICH THE NEIGHBORS BROUGHT TO YOU. AND NOT JUST THAT PROJECT BUT

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IT WAS INTERESTING THAT THEY STARTED AT 240 AND CAME IN AT 174, LOSING 27% OF THEIR BOTTOMLINE.

BUT STILL PROPOSED TO CONSTRUCT THE WATSON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

SO I'M SITTING BACK THERE THINKING I WONDER WHAT THEIR BOTTOMLINE REALLY DID LOOK LIKE AT 240.

>> IT AIN'T 150. >> OR EVEN 150.

I KNOW THAT WANE THE BASIS FOR YOUR DECISION AND PLEASE EXCUSE ME I'M NOT TRYING TO INFER ANYTHING LIKE THAT BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT CAN -- I THINK JUST TO BE CAUTIOUS, IF YOU WILL, ABOUT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, THAT IT TRULY IS COMPATIBLE, THAT IS TRULY IS REASONABLE FOR EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THAT SOMEHOW IT ISN'T PADDED WITH A LOT OF CONTINGENCY SUCH THAT WILL YOU FIND APPLICANTS IN FRONT OF YOU SAYING, WAIT, I CAN COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT OR WAIT, I CAN DO MORE. IT BEGS THE QUESTION OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS BASED ON.

IT'S A LOT LIKE PLAYING POKER, YOU KNOW, OR MAKING BIDS ON SOMETHING. YOU START LOW KNOWING THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO GO UP. AGAIN, PLEASE, I AM NOT INFERRING THAT ANY OF YOU WOOZ START THAT WAY OR HAVE THAT JUDGE BUT CERTAINLY SIT BACK THERE AND QUESTION HOW MUCH OF THAT APPLICATION IS PERHAPS PADDED AND HOW THEY CAN COME DOWN AND YOU WILL HEAR MANY MORE APPLICATIONS COMING BEFORE YOU THAT ARE OFFERING TO DO MORE. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS BUT WE'LL DO MORE AND IN I-MY MIND IT JUST QUESTIONS, IT BRINGS TO QUESTION THE CONTENT AND VALIDITY OF THE ORIGINAL

APPLICATION SO THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

CHUCK, 7848 NORTH CAPARO. THE LAMP PROGRAM, LOVE IT.

WE'RE GOING TO PRESERVE THE COUNTY.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN -- I MEAN, THE ONE WHICH WAS $13 MILLION, WHICH IS NEGOTIATABLE, I'M SURE.

BUT THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL FOR A PASSIVE PARK NOT JUST LET IT SET THERE BUT SET UP A FEW TRAILS AND LET IT BE PUT TO USE FOR THE COUNTY. WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD ON IT BUT OPEN IT UP FOR TRAILS AND SO FORTH WOULD BE OUTSTANDING.

WE'VE GOT PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AS FAR AS THE ROADS ARE CONCERNED. MAJOR ACCIDENTS.

YOU'VE GOT PINE UP THERE ON ROUTE 1 THAT'S BEEN A MAJOR ISSUE. I HAVE SEEN NUMEROUS ACCIDENT THERE IS MYSELF. I KNOW THERE'S THINGS IN PLANNING RIGHT NOW BUT WHAT COULD BE DONE TO PUT IN TEMPORARY LIGHT NOW AND NOT WAIT.

SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND YOU'VE GOT OTHER ROADS IN THE COUNTY IN THE SAME WAY THAT ARE PLANS IN THE THE FUTURE TO FIX IT BUT WE NEED TO REACT TO IT NOW ON A RATHER BASIS.

THE OVERNIGHT THING. WHY DO WE ALLOW THE PRESENTERS NEXT TO AN HOUR TO REBUTT EVERYTHING THAT THE AUDIENCE HAS SAID. THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE THEIR PRESENTATION UPFRONT WITH EVERYTHING INCLUDING THEIR

[Commissioners’ Reports]

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC ACCIDENT SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM VICE CHAIR. WE ARE ON TO COMMISSIONER REPORTS. WE'RE GOING TO START THIS WEEK

WITH COMMISSIONER ALANO. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I WANT TO THANK YOU AND ALL OF THE FOLKS THAT PUT THE TRPGHTS SUMMIT TOGETHER THIS PAST WEEK. I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT TO HEAR FROM OUR STATE OFFICIALS WHO GO TO BED FOR US AND ALSO CONGRESSMAN RUTHERFORD WHO'S BEEN A GREAT PARTNER HERE.

SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS FANTASTIC. I HAD MY FIRST FLORIDA HOUSING

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SO GOOD TO HEAR FROM THEM AND EVERYBODY'S IDEAS AND SOLUTIONS AND I CAN TELL YOU WE'RE NOT THE ONLY PLACE THAT'S DEALING WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES SO IT'S THROUGHOUT THE STATE BUT A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO HEAR SOME IDEAS THAT ARE GOING AROUND THROUGHOUT THE STATE, SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU. >> WELL DONE, THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANOTHER 3 MINUTES IS NOT GONNA KILL US, WE'VE BEEN HERE EIGHT HOURS, RIGHT.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> CHUCK, I WANT TO GIVE YOU MY RESPONSE AS ONE COMMISSIONER. IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION THAT YOU RAISED ABOUT THE APPLICANT OR THE DEVELOPERS'S REBUTTAL.

I THINK FOR ME IT SORT FALLS UNDER WHAT I'LL CALL DUE PROCESS. AND YOU SAY WHY.

BECAUSE WHEN THE DEVELOPER COMES IN AND PRESENTS AN ITEM, HE'S BEEN THROUGH IT BEGINNING TO END WITH STAFF AND IN SOME CASES HAVE SET DOWN WITH US AS COMMISSIONERS AND WHEN WE HAVE A HEARING LIKE WE DID THIS MORNING ON A MAJOR ITEM VERY CONCERNED CITIZENS COME AND SPEAK TO US AND WE WELCOME THAT.

TOTALLY WELCOME THAT. BUT THE APPLICANT IN MANY CASES IS HEARING THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME AND MAY HAVE GOOD ANSWERS PROPOSED BY THE WETS RAISED BY THOSE SPEAKERS AND IN MY OPINION DUE PROCESS WOULD TELL US THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD IF THE APPLICANT HAS RESPONSES TO THOSE QUESTIONS RATED FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME THIS MORNING. THAT HE BE ALLOWED TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS UNDER REBUTTAL. THAT'S WHY FOR SIX YEARS I HAVE BASICALLY NOT RAISED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I HAVE AN ANSWER IN MY OWN BEHIND AND WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE AND IF THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WALK IN THE MORNING AND RAISE QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE ANSWERED, THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.

SO THAT'S -- SOME OF YOU MAY DISAGREE, WHATEVER, BUT FROM ONE COMMISSIONER, I WANTED TO RESPOND BECAUSE YOU RAISE A GOOD QUESTION. AND I'VE ALWAYS SORT OF WONDERED IF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ASK THE QUESTION TO THEMSELVES.

AND BY THE WAY, I APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON LAMP.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHAT DIDN'T DOT MATH.

THAT'S 28,000 ACRES WHICH IS A PRICEY NUMBER.

AND FOR THE MOST PART IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

>> JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER LAYMAN SAID, I THOUGHT THE TRANSPORTATION SUMMIT WAS AN EXCELLENT IDEA AND I COMMENTED YOU AND OUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES AND STAFF FOR PUTTING ON SUCH AN INCREDIBLE AND INFORMATIVE PRESENTATION

SOFT GREAT IDEA, VERY WELL DONE. >> THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> YES, COUPLE OF THINGS, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK SHERIFF HARDWICK, THERE WAS TWO PROBLEMS ON SATURDAY MORNING IN PONTE VEDRA BEACH, I HAPPEN TO JUST TEXT HIM AND WITHIN MINUTES BOTH WERE TAKEN CARE OF AND FOLLOWED UP ON AS WELL AS THE ROBBERY A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE THAT. AND THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS THE PINT ISLAND ROAD ON TO U.S. 1.

I THINK I HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES AND IF GREG COULD COME UP AND CHUCK MENTIONED PORTABLE TRAFFIC LIGHTS.

I KNOW IT'S TWO YEARS UNTIL A LIGHT WILL BE UP THERE BUT THERE IS MORE ISSUES THERE RIGHT NOW AND HERE'S LETTERS THAT I'M GETTING. THIS CAME IN TWO DAYS AGO ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE GETTING HURT THERE. COUPLE OF THINGS.

WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO OUR CONSULTANT AND WORKING ON A PROPOSAL FROM THEM TO ISSUE A TASK ORDER FOR A FULL DESIGN OF INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD INCLUDE A SIGNAL AND SOME REALIGNMENT BUT THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME.

SOME OF THE COMPLICATIONS ARE THE RAILROAD ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION AS WELL AS THE FIRE STATION AND THEN OBVIOUSLY U.S. 1 AND THEN SOME COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE, LET ALONE OUR TRANSFER STATION THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ON THE WEST SIDE.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS ON THIS.

PUTTING UP A TEMPORARY SIGNAL WE HAVE LOOKED INTO THAT TO SEE IF WE CAN EXPEDITE THAT. THE ACTUAL DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE TIME FRAME OF THE DESIGN IS THE PREEMPTION WITH THE

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AND THE EASIEST THING WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN DO IS ADVANCE INTERSECTION SIGNAGE ALONG U.S. 1.

WE'RE UNDER DESIGN HOPEFULLY TO BRING PEOPLE'S ATTENTION THAT YOU'RE APPROACHING A CURB AND TO MY MYSELF ANY FUTURE IMPACTS OF THAT AREA SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE D.O.T.

THE D.O.T. KEEPS REVIEWING THIS TO EVALUATE THE TRENDS GOING ON AT THIS INTERSECTION, PAST TROAPPEDZ SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER IMPLEMENTATIONS WE CAN DO IN THE INTRIMENT, BUT THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND PUTTING UP ANYTHING, A TEMPORARY SIGNAL, A SIGNAL LIKE THIS OR THE ULTIMATE CONFIGURATION IS THE PREEMGHTS

OF THE RAILROAD. >> HOW ABOUT JUST SLOWING THE TRAFFIC DOWN THERE OR BRINGING ALL OF OUR TRUCKS OUT AT ONE TIME WHEN THEY'RE ALL TAKING THE TRANSFER STATION AND GARBAGE TO

GEORGIA. >> YES.

RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT ABOUT 30 WEEKS THAT -- VEHICLES THAT EXIT THE TRANSFER STATION ON A DAILY BASIS AND HEAD UP U.S. 1 AND ULTIMATELY ALL THE WAY UP TO GEORGIA.

THERE IS AN EARLY PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF VEHICLES EXITING, AND I WOULDN'T SAY A LOT, 10 VEHICLES EXIT OUT OF THE DISTRACTING ROAD INTERSECTION, AND THEN IT'S SPORADIC THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE DAY AS THEY COME AND GO.

SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT, OUR PROVIDER TO SEE IF THERE'S A PSA OR OTHER POSSIBLE WAY THAT WE CAN HELP MAKE SURE THE EARLY MORNINGS ARE ADDRESSED. SO WE WILL CONTINUE THOSE

DISCUSSIONS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT, AND LAST THING, JUST -- I KNOW WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION FORUM BUT I REALLY DO WANT TO FOCUS ON SOME OF THE TAF STAFF THAT HELPED PUT THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE I HAD A MORSEL OF AN IDEA AND IT REALLY WAS THE STAFF THAT MADE IN HAPPEN OUTSIDE THE BOX.

I'M NOT SURE IT HAD EVER BEEN DONE BEFORE IN ST. JOHNS WHEN WE BROUGHTELLE LOCAL AND STATE AND FEDERAL ALL TOGETHER TO DISCUSS A CERTAIN ITEM. ADAM, ANGIE, CRAIG, TYLER AND I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHERS THAT I'M LEAVING OUT BUT ITWAS REALLY STAFF THAT PUT IT TOGETHER AND THEY GOT THE

[County Administrator’s Report]

SO CREDIT THE STAFF FOR MAKING HAPPEN.

I'M EXCITED AND OPT MISS OPTIMISTIC ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THAT AS THE SETTINGS STARTED TODAY IN TALLAHASSEE SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US AS COMMISSIONERS TO GO REACH OUT TO THE REPRESENTATIVES AND OUR STATE SENATOR, ONCE AGAIN WHILE THEY'RE IN SESSION, AND JUST REMIND THEM OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE TRANSPORTATION FORUM AS WE ADVOCATE FOR DOLLARS FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THAT'S MY REPORT ON TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I USUALLY DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL AND I'LL KEEP IT LESS THAN 3 MINUTES BUT I DO WANT TO TELL EACH OF YOU THANK YOU FOR YOUR 5-0 SUPPORT TODAY, IT MEANS A LOT TO ME PERSONALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY AND IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE, SOME OF YOU I'VE KNOWN FOR MANY YEARS, SOME I HAVE JUST STARTED WORKING WITH, BUT IT'S BEEN THE HIGHLIGHT OF MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER TO BE GIVEN THIEWPT.

I HOPE THAT OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS YOU CONTINUE TO MAKE UP THIS BOARD AND I WANT TO SAY MY PROFESSIONAL SUCCESS IS WHOLLY AND TOTALLY DEPENDENT UPON THE PEOPLE BESIDE ME, A FEW THAT ARE IN THE ROOM AND PEOPLE OUT THERE DOING THE WORK.

SO I WANT TO THANK THEM AS WELL. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO ANOTHER THREE YEARS WITH THEM. I DON'T KNOW I CAN SAY THE SAME ABOUT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. I THINK THE WORLD OF YOU AS

[County Attorney’s Report]

I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IF I DIDN'T THINK THE ABSOLUTE WORLD OF DAVID AND HIS TEAM. MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA TEAM ARE HERE. TOM'S IN THE BACK, HE'S ONE THAT WAS INCREDIBLY INSTRUMENTAL IN THE TRANSPORTATION SUMMIT THAT YOU NEVER SEE UNLESS THEY'RE MENTIONED, SO WE ARE INCREDIBLY BLESSED AND I MEAN IT WHEN I SAY I'M FORTUNATE TO RAISE A FAMILY HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THANKFUL I GET TO BE A SMALL PART OF THE SOLUTION ON THE BOARD AND I WANT TO SAY THANK

YOU AGAIN. >> WHAT YOU, YOU HAVE AN ITEM?

REVIEW YOUR CONTRACT. >> I REALIZE I'M ON THE CLOCK FOR THE NEXT CONTRACT SO I BETTER START TALKING MORE.

NO, I HAVE AN ITEM THAT'S A SHORT FUSE.

IT'S NOT NON-CONTROVERSIAL BUT WE NEED TO GET IT APPROVED

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AND THAT IS EVERY YEAR WE ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE PGA TOUR TO PROVIDE FIRE PROTECTION SERVICE, EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES DURING THE PLAYERS CHAMPIONSHIP, WE'RE REIMBURSED FOR OUR SERVICES BY THE PGA TOUR.

EVERYTHING HAS BEEN MORALIZED IN A CONTRACT BUT THE NEGOTIATIONS TOOK LONG THEY ARE YEAR SO WE'RE UP AGAINST A DEADLINE.

YOU HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS CONTRACT AND RESOLUTION.

I KNOW NOT THAT MUCH TIME BUT YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE, SO I WOULD ASK THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER THIS RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS, A MOTION TO APPROVE IT BY READING THE TITLE UP THERE OR I COULD READ IT FOR YOU, WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

AND THIS IS TO PROTECT THE COUNTY AS IT PROVIDES THESE PUBLIC SERVICES TO OUR CITIZENS AND GUESTS.

[Additional Item]

>> OKAY. LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON RESOLUTION NO. 20 23-WE DON'T KNOW YET.

81. >> ANYONE WHERE I SHALL TO COME FORWARD? SEEING NONE, WE ARE CLOSING

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> AND LET ME JUST READ THE TITLE INTO THE RECORD REAL QUICK IF YOU DON'T MIND.

IT IS A RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA, APPROVING THE TERMS, CONDITIONS, PROVISIONS AND REQUIREMENTS OF AN AGREEMENT FOR FIRE RESCUE AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES BETWEEN PGA TURIN, AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY, RATIFYING ST. JOHNS COUNTY FIRE RESCUE CHIEF'S EXECUTION OF THE AGREEMENT, ON BEHALF OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND

PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> THANK YOU.

ON THE OVERHEAD ALL I COULD SEE IS THE WHERE AS CLAUSES, COULD YOU PUT THE MEAT OF THE COKE FLUT.

>> SURE. SO WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE FIRE RESCUE SERVICES DURING THE TOURNAMENT.

IF YOU NEED ME TO SLOW DOWN I GLADLY WILL.

WE'VE COME UP WITH PRICE POINTS FOR EACH DAY OF THE SFORTS AT THE PGA TOUR AGREES TO REINBURST FOR.

YESTERDAY WOULD HAVE BEEN $5,865.

TODAY $8,860. TOMORROW $9,030.

THURSDAY $12.410. SAME TOTAL ON FRIDAY OF $12,410 AND AGAIN ON SATURDAY $12,410 AND ON THE FILE DAY OF THE TOURNAMENT, THE COST WOULD BE

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