Mar 02, 2023 Planning and Zoning Agency

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>> I WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER IF EVERYONE CAN STAND FOR THE PLEDGE, PLEASE.THE PUBLIC F STANDS WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY.

MEGAN, WOULD YOU READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT PLEASE?

>> THIS IS UP PROPERLY NOTED PUBLIC HEARING HELD A CONFERENCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO, AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SURVIVED COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD AVAILABLE IN THE FOUR-YEAR.

ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. AS A LENGTH OF TIME AS DECIMATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH THREE MINUTES.

SPEAKER SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND STATE THE ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY, BUT TESTIMONY NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY AN AGENCY BY DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY.

IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH A PERSON WANTED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAINLY TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS IS MADE WAS RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROMISED THE APPEAL TO BE MADE.

ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS A PART OF THE RECORD.

THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR THE AGENCY OR THE COUNTY AND ANY REVIEW OF APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM.

BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM,

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CIVILITY CAUSE, WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL AVOIDPERSONAL ATTACKS .

>> THANK YOU. AGENCY MEMBERS, YOU HAVE THE MINUTES WITH YOUR PACKAGE FROM FEBRUARY 2, 2023, IS THERE A MOTION OR ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? MOTION BY MEGAN, SECOND BY JACK, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL AGAINST SAY NAY, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THAT MOTION PASSES.AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE GOING TO

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IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS EITHER ON THE GENDER ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, YOU MAY DO SO.

THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR EACH ITEM ON THE AGENDA, SO YOU CAN SPEAK AT THAT POINT IN TIME IF YOU WOULD LIKE. WE HAVE A SPEAKER CARD RIGHT NOW? OKAY.

ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER ONE.

MRS. MARTIN EDGE? >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, 2015 FOR THE PIONEER SCHOOL.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT BEFORE YOU UNDER SPECIAL USE PERMIT 2021 Ã21, THAT ONE HAS SINCE EXPIRED SO WE ARE BASICALLY ASKING FOR A NEW ONE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF ROLLING HILLS DRIVE NORTH OF FOREST HILLS DRIVE AND SOUTH OF STATE ROUTE 207.

THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL C AND THE SURROUNDING AREA IS MIXED USE TO THE EAST AND NORTH OF THE SITE AND RESIDENTIAL C TO THE SOUTHWEST.THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED OPEN RURAL, BUT IS SURROUNDED BY PUD RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME AND RS TWO CATEGORIES.

IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU HAVE A COPY OF A CORRECTED SITE PLAN THAT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS IN THE BOOK.

THE APPLICANT POINTED OUT TO ME YESTERDAY THAT THE SITE PLAN

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THE ONE ON THE SCREEN AND THE ONE IN FRONT OF YOU IS CORRECT.

THE ONLY CHANGE IS A GRAVEL CUT THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AREA BETWEEN THE TWO, THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT THE PARKING LOT AND THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN. I WANTED TO CALL THAT OUT TO YOU. BASICALLY, THE SITE IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED WITH THREE MODULAR BUILDINGS THAT WILL CONTAIN THREE CLASSROOMS AND ONE OFFICE.

THE MAXIMUM STUDENT POPULATION OF THE SCHOOL IS EXPECTED TO BE 75 STUDENTS WITH A FULL-TIME STAFF OF FIVE AND A PART-TIME STAFF OF THREE. THAT WILL BE A PHASED GROWTH STARTING AT ABOUT 40 STUDENTS AND GROW INTO 75 AND ABOUT YOUR THREE OR FOUR. THE DEVELOPMENT IS SITUATED TOWARDS THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO ROLLING HILLS DRIVE DUE TO THE WETLANDS ON THE WEST SIDE IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE ANY KIND OF IMPACT ON THOSE WETLANDS.

WITH THAT, WE JUST REQUEST THAT YOU SUPPORT APPLICATION FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WITH THE PRIVATE NONPROFIT MIDDLE SCHOOL CONSISTENT WITH USES, ALLOWANCE OF CULTURAL AND INSTITUTIONAL USES WITHIN THE EXISTING ZONING AND LAND USE THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> DO ANY AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE EXPORTED COMMUNICATIONS TO DECLARE? SAYING NONE, HOW ABOUT QUESTIONS? DOCTOR HILSENBECK.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU CONSIDERABLY REDUCED TO BUILDING SIZE YOU HAVE ON THE PROPERTIES?

>> IT WAS REDUCED FROM 4 TO 3, SO IT WAS A SLIGHT REDUCTION.

>> AND EACH ONE IS SMALLER? IS THERE A PARTICULAR REASON? I BELIEVE WE APPROVE THESE TWO YEARS AGO, YOU ONLY HAS 75

STUDENTS. >> YES, I RECENTLY CAME IN AND INHERITED HIS APPLICATION, THE REASON WHY IT WAS REDUCED WAS NOT EXPLAINED TO ME, JUST THAT THIS WAS THE UPDATED SITE PLAN.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU.>> HENRY? >> THIS IS A QUESTION FOR PSTAFF, HAVE Y'ALL HAD TIME TO REVIEW THE REVISED STAFF PLAN? BEING THAT THERE IS LAST-MINUTE ONE BUILDING BEING

ELIMINATED? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, JUSTIN KELLY, NO ISSUE WITH THE SITE PLAN.

THE ONLY THING THAT WAS ADDED TO IT WAS THAT CUT THROUGH DRIVEWAY WHICH IS GRAVEL, THAT WAS ADDED AT THE REQUEST OF OUR TECHNICAL STAFF IN CASE THERE ARE ANY ISSUES WITH STACKING THEIR, THERE IS A CUT THROUGH FOR CARS.

OTHER THAN THAT, NO ISSUES WITH THE REVISED SITE PLAN.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION, ARE WE GOING TO BE BACK HERE AGAIN IN TWO YEARS DOING THIS AGAIN?

>> THAT IS ON THE PLAN, THEY AREEAGER TO GET THIS OPEN AS

QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE . >> WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME?>> THAT I AM NOT AWARE OF, I BELIEVE IT WAS DELAYS IN GETTING EVERYTHING PERMITTED AND DESIGNED.

>> ALRIGHT, TO BE HAVING SPEAKER CARDS?

W BACK TO AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL

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>> SECOND. >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MEGAN, SECOND BY JACK, ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE BOAT. THAT MOTION IS APPROVED SIX Ã ZERO. THANK YOU, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, A PRESENTATION BY MR. JACK STRICKLAND.

>> THIS IS ALSO A QUASIJUDICIAL ITEM.

>> ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE? I SEE NONE. OKAY, MR. STRICKLAND.

>> YOU HAVE TO EXCUSE ME, I'M 20YEARS IN THE MILITARY AND EXTREME THE HARD OF HEARING . MY NAME IS JACK STRICKLAND.

THE REASON THIS IS BROUGHT TO LIGHT WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, FIRST OFF WILL RELIVE ON PARISE PARK ROAD THERE ARE 13 RESIDENTS ON THE ROAD AND IT IS VERY SMALL LOTS.

DUE TO THAT FACT, THERE IS A LOT OF VIOLATION OF SETBACKS.

NOT JUST IN MYPROPERTY BUT EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY .

I DON'T WANT TO BRING THE AND THE ATTENTION BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO ADDRESS ANYTHING BUT THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY. SEVERAL YEARS AGO, APPROXIMATELY SEVEN, I BUILT A CARPORT AT THE END OF OUR

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WE TALKED ABOUT IT SEVERAL TIMES AND DISCUSSED IT.

HE SAID THAT I MOVED THE ROOF OVER 18 INCHES, HE WOULD BE HAPPY. SO I DID THIS AT THE EXPENSE OF $3000, MOVE THE ROOT OF THIS CARPORT OVER18 INCHES .

THEN ABOUT APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS AFTER THAT, HE FILED A SETBACK GRIEVANCE BECAUSE IT IS TOO CLOSE TO HIS PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS JUST BEYOND ME AFTER DOING EXACTLY WHAT HE ASKED ME TO DO. THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN THIS WAS THIS WAS NOT A PART OF MY ORIGINAL VARIANCE COMPLAINT WITH THE METAL BUILDING THAT I HAVE ON MY PROPERTY. THE RULE STATES THAT EVERYONE ON THE PROPERTY IS A 20 FOOT EASEMENT.

I HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE HERE FROM THE RESIDENCE THAT WOULD

LIKE TO SPEAK. >> NOT AT THIS TIME, WE WILL ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.OES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

RICHARD. >> YOU ARE ONLY ONE ON THE

STREET WITH A 20 FOOTEASEMENT? >> YES, SIR .

>> I BELIEVE THIS METAL EASEMENT BUILDING IS APPROACHING 7 FEET INTO THE EASEMENT?

CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? >> IT IS ACCORDING TO WHERE YOU SAID THE EASEMENT IS. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THE METAL BUILDING DOES NOT DASH SHORT VIDEOSAND I CAN EXPLAIN THIS AND SHOW IT TO YOU . THIS IS THE METAL BUILDING HER . AS I TURNED AND WALKED DOWN THE ROAD, THIS IS THE PICTURE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND THIS IS THE WIDTH OF THE EASEMENT WHICH IS WELL OVER 20 FEET.

AS FAR AS THE BUILDING ENCROACHING ON THE EASEMENT, IS DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU SAY THE EASEMENT IS.

THERE IS NO RECORD THAT I KNOW OF WHERE THE EASEMENT IS.

THEN YOU CAN SEE THE CARPORT ON THE RIGHT OF THIS VIDEO.

THEN WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO HERE, THERE IS A PROGRAM BETWEEN MY PROPERTY AND MR. JOHNSON'S PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO ME. AS WE GET CLOSER HERE, YOU WILL SEE OUT TOWARDS THE END THAT THERE IS A SURVEY MARKER ON THE BOAT RAMP. MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT NOT ENCROACHMENT? IT'S WITHIN 2 INCHES, YOU CAN SEE THE MARKER RIGHT THERE IN THE PICTURE.

YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS PICTURE HERE, I CUT ONE SIDE OF THE ROOF DOWN TO 4 INCHES INSTEAD OF THE 14 INCHES IT WAS ORIGINALLY WHEN I MOVED THE STRUCTURE OVER, THE ROOF OF THE STRUCTURE OVER 18 INCHES AS WAS AGREED ON BY ME AND MR. JOHNSON. AS YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE FROM GOING DOWN THE ROAD, THERE IS NOT A 20 FOOT EASEMENT.

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NO ROOM FOR THE SETBACKS. >> CAN YOU REFRESH OUR MEMORY ON HOW LARGE THE LOTS ARE IN PARTICULAR?

DIMENSIONS OF IT? >> I WOULD HATE TO SAY SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ACCURATE, LET'S SEE IF I CAN TELL FROM THIS MAP.I WANT TO POINT OUT IN THIS VIDEO BEFORE I GET BACK TO THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AND OTHER PROPERTY LINE, THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MR. JOHNSON'S, YOU CAN SEE A LINE FROM HIS DARK, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN MY SETBACK AND THE OTHER SETBACK? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE THIS VIDEO TOO, I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET OUT THERE TO THE PROPERTY AND LOOK AT IT.

>> I HAVE THREE OTHER VERY SHORT VIDEOS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW. THAT IS THE END OF THAT ONE.

>> IT IS UP TO THE CHAIR I GUESS.

>> CHAIR: HE IS THE PRESENTER. >> WE ARE LOOKING AT ST. JOHNS

RIVER IS RIGHT THERE? >> FLORENCE COVE OFF OF ST.

JOHN'S. BUT THIS IS THE OTHER END OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS STRUCTURE HERE IS NOWHERE CLOSE TO AN 8 FOOT SETBACK.

NEITHER ON THE SIDE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

THERE IS ANOTHER VIDEO OF THE CARPORT I WANTED TO SHOW.

AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE CARPORT, YOU WILL SEE ON THE SIDE WHEN I MOVED TO THE ROOF STRUCTURE OVER, I CUT THE OVERHANG DOWN FROM 14 INCHES ON THE OTHER SIDE TO 4 INCHES ON THE SIDE. THERE ARE 4 INCHES THERE, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE ARE 14 INCHES .

IF DRAINAGE IS A PROBLEM, I CAN ALWAYS PUT THE GUTTER ON THE OTHER SIDE AND TIED INTO THE DRAIN THAT THIS SITE IS GOING TO AND THE WATER GOES BACK TO THE CANAL, DOES NOT STAY ONTHE PROPERTY . I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY.

>> DOCTOR HILSENBECK? TO YOUR QUESTION EARLIER, THE PROPERTY IS ONE FOURTH OF AN ACRE LOTS AND APPROXIMATELY 80

FEET BY 120 FEET. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS,

RICHARD?>> SIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU GO. SIR, I AM LOOKING AT WHAT IS IN OUR PACKAGE YEAR, TWO STRUCTURES ARE HIGHLIGHTED.

ONE IS THE CARPORT, THAT IS EASY TO SEE.

>> I CAN'T HEAR YOU SIR. >> I AM SORRY, TWO STRUCTURES ARE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE MAP I AM LOOKING AT THE PACKAGE.

ONE IS THE CARPORT, I AM VERY CLEAR WHERE THAT IS.

THE OTHER IS THE METAL BUILDING WHICH APPEARS TO BE ON THE EASTERN END OF YOUR PROPERTY. IS THERE ANOTHER BUILDING TO

THE WEST OF THAT METAL SHED? >> NO SIR, THERE IS A BOATHOUS

. >> THAT'S THE BOATHOUSE?

>> YES, SIR. >> SO IF THE METAL SHED IS ENCROACHING, ISN'T THE BOATHOUSE ENCROACHING IN THE 20 FEET? I'M NOT SAYING IT IS, I'M JUST SAYING IF THAT IS THE ALLEGATION, IS IN THE BOATHOUSE

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>> THE BOATHOUSE IS WAY FURTHER EAST, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT

WOULD BE ENCROACHING. >> THE EASEMENT RUNS EAST TO

WEST, RIGHT? >> YES, SIR.

>> ALRIGHT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT GO AHEAD.

>> I BELIEVE YOU MIGHT BE SPEAKING ABOUT THE METAL CUPBOARD SHED TO THE NORTH. THERE IS ANOTHER STRUCTURE IN THE EASEMENT BUT NOT ON MR. STRICKLAND'S PROPERTY.

THERE IS A NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH.

THERE IS A NORTH ARROW I BELIEVE, HOLD ON, I COULD PUT

IT UP. >> COULD YOU PULL UP PAGE 9? THIS IS VERY CONFUSING. OKAY, THAT JUST AS PARCEL TWO, THAT IS NOT A BUILDING. YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS PARCEL

TWO? >> CORRECT, HE STATED THAT ON THE SURVEY AND I WAS UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHY CUT IT UP THAT WAY OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THE PARCELS DASH OFF THE EASEMENT. BASICALLY THE STRUCTURE AT THE VERY TOP OF IT IS ON THE NEIGHBORS PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. THAT MIGHT BE WHAT YOU ARE

SPEAKING ABOUT. >> IT LOOKS LIKE A BUILDING, I CANNOT READ IT ON THIS 8.5 X 11, BUT I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. YOU'VE GOT THIS EASEMENT THAT COMES RUNS THROUGH THIS PROPERTY.

WE ARE SAYING HE'S A VARIANCE BECAUSE HE ENCROACHES ON THE EASEMENT. ISN'T THAT A PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS MATTER? THE EASEMENT IS NECESSARILY A RIGHT OF WAY, IS AN EASEMENT. THAT METAL BUILDING USED TO BEAT THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME, NOT THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY.

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE METAL SHED OR THE CARPORT?

>> THE METAL SHED. >> THE ONE ON THE SIDE OF THE NORTHERN PROPERTY, IS THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?

>> THE BUILDING HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.

I AGREE IT IS IN AN EASEMENT, BUT THINGS GET BILLS AND EASEMENT NOT ALL THE TIME, BUT SOMETIMES FOOD THAT IS BETWEEN THE EASEMENT HOLDER AND THE PRESENT WHO OWNS THE UNDERLYING FEE TITLE OF THE PROPERTY GENERALLY.IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE SETBACK ISSUES BETWEEN THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE METAL BUILDING AND THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF HIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE CANAL I GATHER, THE WATER.

I DON'T SEE WHY NEW COVARIATES TO BE IN AN EASEMENT.

THOSE LEGAL HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT?

>> HE DOES NEED VARIANCE FOR THE PROPERTY BUT I AGREE WITH YOU, IT IS A PRIVATE MATTER. I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY

FAMILIAR WITH THIS. >> HE MAY NEED IN VARIANCE FOR THAT BUILDING BEING TOO CLOSE TO THE CANAL, I DON'T THINK HE

NEEDS TO VARIANCE EITHER. >> MY ORIGINAL GRIEVANCE COMPLAINT DIDN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE METAL BUILDING, THAT WAS ADDED AFTER I STARTED THIS PROCESS BY SOMEONE IN THE COUNTY. IT WASN'T BY ME.

MY ORIGINAL VARIANCE WAS JUST FOR THE CARPORT.

THEY ADDED THE METAL BUILDING TO IT.

>> DO YOU HAVE MORE TO ADD? >> WE TALKED AND CONFERRED, THE EASEMENT IS CONSIDERED A ROAD WHETHER VARIANCE IS CONCERNED.

>> THAT JUST SEEMS ODD. HENRY, YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> IS ALONG THE SAME LINE. THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH THAT SITS ON THE EAST, IS THAT ON BY THE STRICKLAND? IS THE OTHER ONE WE ARE LOOKING ON AT THE SOUTHERN END WITH THE

CANAL IS. >> BOTH OF THEM HIGHLIGHTED IN

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YELLOW BELONG TO ME, SIR. >> THE OTHER ONE IS IN THE SOUTHERN PORT? WHEN YOU'RE THE METAL SHED TO THE NORTH OF IT, THAT HAS THE ENTIRE SITE SQUARED AWAY COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE, WE EXPLAINED HIS REQUEST TO DO THAT AS WELL.PARTIALLY THE EASEMENT PORTION OF IT AND THE SETBACKS ABOUT NORTHERN PROPERTY TO POP INTO THE NORTH.

JUST GET EVERYTHING WITHIN HIS SITE SQUARED AWAY.

>> STILL THE NORTHERN BUILDING AS SAID ON MINE, THAT HAS BEEN

THERE FOR A WHILE? >> YES, SIR, IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME LOOKING AT THE AERIALS PROVIDED ON OUR FUNCTION AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISER, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN IT CAME INTO EXISTENCE BUT HAS BEEN BUILT.

>> THE SHED TO THE SOUTH IS THE NEWER BUILDING?

>> YES, SIR. >> WAS THIS AN AFTER-THE-FACT

PERMIT TOO TOO. >> NEITHER OF THE STRUCTURES WERE PERMITTED THROUGH OUR PROCESS OF BUILDING PERMITS.

>> AND THE OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I HAVE AND I APOLOGIZE, I HAD A GOING THE WRONG WAY, I HAD A GOING TO THE TOP. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> WE HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS, MR. JIMMY JOHNSON.

>> MR. STRICKLAND, IF YOU WOULD HAVE A SEAT, YOU WILL BE ABLE

TO COME BACK IN MINUTES. >> CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? >> I WILL, MY NAME IS JIMMY JOHNSON, MY ADDRESS IS.

MY RECOLLECTION AND MR. STRICKLAND'S RECOLLECTION WILL PROBABLY DIFFER A LITTLE BIT. I HAVE A FEW STATEMENTS I WOULD LIKE TO READ AND ENTERED INTO THE RECORD WHEN IT IS OVER.

FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS A RECORD OF EASEMENT, IT IS VERY PLAIN AND DRAWN OUT. THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE - - NOT 20 FEET, DIFFERENT THINGS, NO COMPLAINTS.

THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT MR. STRICKLAND SHOWED YOUR 20 FOOT SPACE BUT FORGOT TO TELL YOU HE PARKS HIS TRUCK AND THERE IN HIS BOAT. HE IS NOT DOING A CURRENTLY, THAT IS LESS THAN A 10 FEET SPO. ANYBODY THAT'S COME THROUGH THEIR OR TRUCKS THAT COME IN THEIR, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ASK HIM TO MOVE HIS VEHICLES AND THAT IS A COMMON OCCURRENCE.

HE HAS BUILT SO MUCH STUFF ON HIS OWN PROPERTY IS HERE TO PARK HIS VEHICLES ON THE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.

I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME HERE.

MY NAME IS JIMMY JOHNSON, I OWN THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 8479 PERRY'S PARK RD. MY PROPERTY JOINS PROPERTY OWNED BY JACK AND KAREN STRICKLAND.

I'VE ON THE PROPERTY SINCE 197 , CURRENTLY IT IS THE LONGEST PROPERTY OWNED ON THE ROAD. EVERY OTHER PROPERTY HAS BEEN SOLD TWO OR THREE TIMES. NEVER HAD A PROPERTY DISPUTE WITH ANY RESIDENT FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS.

JACK AND KAREN STRICKLAND, SINCE THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY HAD TRIED TO BUILD WORKSHOPS AND CARPORT AND ALL PTHE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPERTY WITH NO REGARD FOR THE NEIGHBORS ARE SETBACK REGULATIONS.

APPROXIMATELY SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO, JACK AND KAREN STRICKLAND HAVE A CARPORT - - THE FIRST TIME I SAW THE STRUCTURE IT WAS TOTALLY COMPLETE.

I ROLLED DOWN THE VERY SATURDAY MORNING PEOPLE THAT I BUILT THE STRUCTURE WERE LOADING THEIR TOOLS TO LEAVE.

I HAD NO IDEA THAT THEY WERE DOING IT, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

THEN IT WAS COMPLETED AFTER CHECKING THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY MARKERS, IT WAS FAIRLY CLEAR THAT THE CARPORT WAS APPROXIMATELY 18 INCHES OVER M PROPERTY .

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I VERY PLAINLY STATED THAT HE HAD TO MOVE IT AT THAT POINT.

I STATED PLAINLY THAT HE HAD TO MOVE IT, AT THAT POINT HE WAS VERY IRRITATED. AFTER SEVERAL DAYS, HE SENT ME A TEXT WANTED TO BUY 2 FEET OF MY PROPERTY.

I CAN'T SELL 2 FEET OF MY PROPERTY.

I REPLIED THAT THE LOTS ARE TOO CLOSE AND I NEED THE SPACE I HAVE. HE DID THE JUSTICE CARPORT WITH NO REGARD TO THE AMOUNT OF RAINWATER THAT WOULD PORTLAND PROPERTY AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW. HIS TIN ROOF IS ON THE PROPERTY LINES OF THE WATER RUNS OVER. JACK TALKED TO ONE OF HER NEIGHBORS ABOUT HIS DISPLEASURE OF HAVING TO MOVE THE CARPORT AND ABOUT HOW HE WAS GOING TO DO IT.THE NEIGHBOR STATED TO JACK THAT THERE WERE SETBACKS TO BE CONSIDERED.

JACK'S COMMENTS TO HIM WHERE I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY SETBACK.

>> SIR, CAN YOU WRAP UP? ALSO, THEY HAVE THEIR HOUSE UP FOR SALE SO ANYTHING YOU AGREE TO - - I HOPE THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY - - NO VARIANCE SHOULD BE GIVEN IN EVERY RESIDENCE SHOULD HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE RULES AS THEY ALREADY ARE.

THERE'S A 20 FOOT - - I'M NOT SURE ANY OF THAT APPLIES BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT FALLS UNDER SOMEKIND OF RIGHTS .

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.

>> JOHN GRAFF. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS JOHN GRAFF. MY ADDRESS IS 8467 PERRY'S PARK RD PART OF THE TIME. I AM A NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH AS FAR ASYOUR MAP IS GOING .I'VE GOT A SHED OVER THE EASEMENT GOES. AS FAR AS THE PARKING SITUATION, EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT HAVE A CAR ON THE EASEMENT, THERE STILL MORE ROOM AND IS ONE AREA THAN THERE IS THE WHOLE DRIVE. IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD, NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION TO THE EASEMENTS AND IT IS ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY, IT IS VERY NARROW THE WHOLE WAY DOWN.IT'S THE SAME AS THE DOCKAGE. IF YOU GO UP AND DOWN THE LANE, EVERYONE IS EQUAL AMOUNT OF SPACE BETWEEN THEIR DOCK SECTIONS AND THE FRONTAGE. I'LL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, THANK YOU.

>> MR. STRICKLAND, WOULD YOU LIKE TO OFFER SOME REBUTTAL?

>> FIRST OFF, I DON'T WANT TO GET UP HERE AND CALL ANYONE A LIAR, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN LIES TOLD AT THIS PODIUM, OKAY?

>> MR. STRICKLAND, MUST NOT ADDRESS PEOPLE'S MORALS, LET'S

ADDRESS THE ISSUE. >> OKAY, TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, MR. JOHNSON IS STATED THAT HE WAS NOT AWARE THAT HE WAS NOT PRESENT WHEN I WAS BUILDING THIS CARPORT.

IF YOU WASN'T PRESENT, HE USED THE SAME BUILDER, HE WENT FROM MY JOB OVER BEHIND MR. JOHNSON'S TRAILER AND GAVE HIM AN ESTIMATE TO PUT IN A SCREENED IN PORCH THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE TRAILER, THEN USED THE SAME CONTRACTOR.

HE TALKED TO THE CONTRACTOR WHILE ON THE PAYROLL FOR ME WHEN HE DID THIS. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT MR. JOHNSON SAID IN HIS TESTIMONY THAT WERE FALSE.

I AM NOT ARGUING WITH THE FACT THAT I AM PAST THE SETBACKS, I AM STILL PAST THE SETBACKS EVEN AFTER SPENDING $3000 IN MOVING THIS ROOF 18 INCHES LIKE YOU SAID.

BUT THAT IS BESIDE THE POINT. IF THE PROBLEM IS THE DRAINAGE ISSUE, I CAN PUT A GUTTER DOWN AND TIE INTO THE EXISTING DRAIN

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>> ALRIGHT, ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE SIR.

SIR, YOU WENT WAY OVER YOUR TIME, SIT DOWN.

SIR, I WILL HAVE YOU REMOVED! ALRIGHT, MOVE BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MEGAN?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2022 Ã30 AT 3220 COASTAL HIGHWAY BASED ON ZONING PROVISIONS.

>> SECOND BY ELVIS, ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE BOAT.

ALRIGHT, THAT MOTION FAILS, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A MOTION? I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO.

>> MOTION TO DENY ZONING VARIANCE BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECONDED BY HENRY. >> IS A MOTION TO DENY, SO A YES VOTE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

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>> YES, ACCORDING TO YOUR POLICY, THE FAILURE TO RECEIVE A MAJORITY VOTE TO APPROVE OR DENY IS A TECHNICAL DENIAL.

>> THAT MOTION IS, THAT VARIANCE IS DENIED, EXCUSE ME.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.

MR. VOSE. >> MY NAME IS JAMES VOSE, I RESIDE AT.

REVISITING JOHN LLOYD, THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY WAS OUT OF TOWN. HE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE SET BLACK CLOSER TO THE STREET TO HAVE MORE SPACE TO BUILD HIS HOUSE.IT'S A NARROW LOT, ONLY 60 FEET WIDE.

WITH THE TWO TROPICAL STORMS WE EXPERIENCED LAST FALL, HE LOST 46 FEET OF THE DUELIST ON THE EAST SIDE OF HIS HOUSE.

NOW, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT PROTECTION IS DETERMINED ON THIS LOT HOW FAR SEE WHAT WE CAN BUILD A HOUSE.

IT HAD BEEN THAT POINT WAS 64 FEET, NOW IT IS 18 FEET.

HE THINKING HE DOES NOT WANT TO BUILD AS FAR AS HE COULD BECAUSE OF THE DANGER OF LOSING MORE OF THE GROUND ALSO, THIS VARIANT WERE GRANTED FOR THIS PROPERTY BACK IN 2010.

I SEE THAT THERE ARE FOUR OTHER PROPERTIES ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THIS VARIANCE WAS GRANTED, ONE AS RECENTLY AS 13 MONTHS AGO. SOMEONE HAS SENT A LETTER OBJECTING, THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS TO ENTER COASTAL HIGHWAY WITH THE 15 FOOT SETBACK, BUT THAT 15 FOOT SETBACK IS 31 FEET FROM THE PAVEMENT.

THERE IS PLENTY OF ROOM TO COME OUT AT THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION REQUIRES. IT IS HIS INTENTION TO DO A WIDE TURN COMING OUT OF THE GARAGE.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT THE PRESENT REGULATIONS THAT DON'T ALLOW COASTAL - - PROPERTY AT THIS POINT.

HE DID MENTION THAT WHEN HE FIRST APPLIED, WITH THE 16 FOOT SETBACK HE WANTED TO USE 5 FEET OF THAT FOR A BALCONY ON THE

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10 FEET YOU AGAIN. >> WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS NOT

CLEARSIR . >> PARTING?

>> WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS NOT CLEAR.

IN THE LETTER THAT HE SENT SPEAKING ABOUT HARDSHIP, HE SUGGESTED THAT IF HE WOULD GAIN 10 FEET OF THE CONCEPT THAT, 5 FEET OF THAT WOULD BE A 5 FOOT BALCONY OFF THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE. SO THE WALL OF THE HOUSE WOULD BE 20 FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.

BUT, HE DOES NOT WANT THAT TO BE CONTINGENT ON THIS BECAUSE HE WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE THE WEST WALL HOUSE 15 FEET IN THE FRONT WALL 15 FEET WITH THE PROPERTY LINE.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> THAT IS IT.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EXPERT TAKE MEDICATION TO DECLARE?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERT DAY COMMUNICATIONS, BY JOHN LLOYD IS A FRIEND OF MINE, I PROBABLY NOT - - NO FINANCIAL DEALINGS WITH HIM WHATSOEVER, AM I ALLOWED TO VOTE ON THIS?

I DON'T FEEL HAVE A CONFLICT. >> AS LONG AS YOU FEEL THAT IT DOES NOT CREATE AN APPEARANCE OF BIAS.

>> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY EX PARTE A COMMUNICATION? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? OKAY, THAT WAS A GOOD PRESENTATION. WE ARE BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A

MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2022 Ã30, I APOLOGIZE , 3220 COASTAL HIGHWAY BASED ON

CERTAIN CONDITIONS. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY HENRY, ANY DISCUSSION? YES RICHARD?

[4. ZVAR 2022-32 Cheek Accessory Building.]

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE APPROVED NUMEROUS VARIANCES 15 FOOT SETBACK FROM 25 ON THE STRETCH OF COASTAL HIGHWAY. MAYBE WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT.

I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF IT. >> IS CHALLENGING.

LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES SIX ÃZERO.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

THE PRESENTER IS MR. ZEBOUNI. >> HELLO, I AM PAUL ZEBOUNI I LIVE AT.

BY PRESENTING A VARIANCE THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED, THIS PART OF THE GREAT WISDOM TO APPROVE THIS VARIANCE OVER A YEAR AGO.

THE OWNER TOOK TOO LONG TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR BY THE TIME THEY HIRED US AND WE APPLIED FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT .

THE VARIANCE HAS EXPIRED SO WE ARE REAPPLYING FOR THE IDENTICAL VARIANCE THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED A LITTLE OVER

A YEAR AGO. >> DO YOU HAVE THE SLIDESHOW?

>> THANK YOU. THIS VARIANCE IS FOR AN ACCESSORY BUILDING, THE ZONING IS OR FUTURE ZONING AS RESIDENTIAL B. THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED VARIANCE EXPIRE ONE YEAR AFTER APPROVAL IN SEPTEMBER 2022.

THEREFORE WE ARE REQUESTING THE COUNTIES CONSIDERATION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE SAME PROJECT AS THEY ARE NOW CONSIDERED BLUE WAVES BROTHER AS THE CONTRACTOR, SO WE ARE NOW READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY ACCESSORY BUILDING WITH CONDITIONS AND STORAGE SPACE.

WE BELIEVE OUR REQUEST IS NOT CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST OR THE SPIRIT AND PROPOSE A PLAN DEVELOPING CODE.

THE LOT HAS A FEW SPECIAL CONDITIONS DUE TO SHAPE, TERRAIN AND SETBACK WHICH LIMITS THOSE CONSTRUCTION OF SEPARATE ONE-STORY STRUCTURES. THEREFORE, WE ARE REQUESTING TO

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THE DEPTH AND WIDTH OF THE LOT, 10 FOOT SETBACKS AND PRESENCE OF WETLANDS, TREES AND SEPTIC WELL EQUIPMENT LIMIT THE PLACEMENT OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING.

THE LOT MEASURES 400' X 100' WITH 10 FOOT SETBACKS ON EITHER SIDE AND IS HEAVILY WOODED AT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND REAR OF LOT. IT IS ATTACHED TO THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE AND DOES NOT INVOLVE CONNECTING ANY BUSINESS OR ATTRACTING ANY LARGE GROUPS. THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS A SENSORY IN SIZE TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, AND WILL BE FULLY PERMITTED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY PENDING THE VARIANCE APPROVAL.

WE ALREADY STARTED THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND HAVE APPROVAL BASICALLY ON EVERYTHING PENDING THIS VARIANCE, THIS WAS THEIR ONLY COMMENT THAT MADE THIS VARIANCE. BESIDES THAT, WE ARE READY TO APPROVE THE CLEARANCE SHEET. THIS VARIANCE WILL SATISFY THE COMMENTS. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WILL EXCEED THE ONE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE, BUT IT IS NOT VIEWABLE FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PROPERTY LINE DUE TO TREES AND LANDSCAPING.

THE BUILDING IS 2400 FT.B2. IT IS A FOOTPRINT OF 1250 SQUARE-FOOTFOOTPRINT . THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR THE HISTORY STRUCTURES ARE 25 FEET FROM THE FRONT AND 3 FEETFROM THE SIDE . I PROPOSE HEIGHT IS 31 FEET, 8.5 INCHES. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN THAT AREA IS 35 FEET. WE ARE STILL UNDER THAT, THE ISSUE IS THAT IT IS HIGHER THAN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THE MAIN HOUSE. IT IS APPROXIMATELY 226 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THE VIEW FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS SHIELDED BY TREES SO NOBODY PASSING THE PROPERTY CAN SEE IT. IT IS ARCHITECTURALLY CONSISTENT WITH THEPRINCIPAL STRUCTURE .

HERE ARE USE OF THE PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE AFTER THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS BUILT, THE NEIGHBORS CANNOT SEE IT FROM THE STREET, IT WILL BE ANYBODY'S VIEW.

IN ADDITION TO THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED SPECIAL CONDITIONS OCCURRING SETBACKS, THE FLOOD ZONE DESIGNATION FOR THE DESIRED LOCATION IS THE FLOOD ZONE X, MAKING IT AN AREA OF MINIMAL FLOOD ZONE HAZARD. THE REMAINDER OF THE LOT IS X SHADED MAKING IT AT MODERATE RISK OF FLOOD HAZARD.

HOMES IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY IN THIS AREA ARE LOW DENSITY AREA WITH AMPLE TREE COVERED. WE HAVE SEVERAL LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM ALL THE NEIGHBORS. BASICALLY EVERY NEIGHBOR SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY AND THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET HAVE ALL WRITTEN A LETTER OF SUPPOR .

WE HAVE THE LETTERS IN THE SLIDESHOW.

WE OFFERED A LETTER WHEN THIS IDENTICAL VARIANCE WAS APPROVE . IN CONCLUSION, THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE MEETS REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN ARTICLE 2.02, STRUCTURE SHALL BE ACCESSORY IN SIZE TO THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, IT SHALL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT WHICH WILL OBTAIN, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT SHALL BE NO GREATER THAN THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT STRUCTURE UNLESS UNABLE TO VIEW STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY LINE DUE TO DISTANCE OR SCREENING WITH OPAQUE FENCING OR LANDSCAPE. THE VARIANCE REQUEST ADDRESSES THE THREE PRIMARY MATERIAL WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST OR SPIRIT OF THE PURPOSE OF THE LDC, GOING TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS SUCH AS LOT SHAPE, TOPOGRAPHICAL CONDITIONS OR OTHER X ORDINARY CONDITIONS. LITERAL ENFORCEMENT WILL RESULT IN NECESSARY AND UNDUE HARDSHIP.

WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR VARIANCE 2203 TWO.

THANK YOU. I AM HERE FOR QUESTIONS.

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>> IS THERE ANY EX PARTE A COMMUNICATIONS TO DECLARE? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? CAN YOU PUT THE LAST SLIDE YOU HAD THERE? THAT ONE, RIGHT THERE. THE INDENT PART UNDER THE FIRST BULLET, THE FOURTH CHECK, UNABLE TO VIEW STRUCTURE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE DUE TO DISTANCE WITH OPAQUE FENCING OR LANDSCAPE, IS THAT AN ARTICLE 2.02.04?

I GUESS I'M ASKING STAFF? >> I BELIEVE IT IS SIR, I THINK THAT IS REALLY GOT THAT TEXT FROM.

>> I HAVE A COPY OF THE CODE HERE.

YOU CAN PUT IT RIGHT THERE ON THE GLASS.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTIO . JACK?

[Items 5 & 6]

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2022 Ã 32 CHEEK ACCESSORY BUILDINGS BASED ON THE CONDITIONS SET BY

THE STAFF. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR

APPROVAL BY JACK, SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND.

>> SECOND FROM HENRY, ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE BOAT. ALRIGHT, THAT MOTION PASSES SIX ÃZERO, THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. MR. BURNETT?

>> THESE ITEMS FIVE AND SIX WILL BE HELD TOGETHER.

>> THANK YOU, IS THERE ANY EX PARTE A TO DECLARE AND ITEM 6?

>> YES, I DROVE TO THE PROPERTY YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AND SPOKE

TO DOUG BURNETT THIS MORNING. >> I SPOKE TO MR. BURNETT

YESTERDAY. >> I HAD A MESSAGE BUT I DO NOT SPEAK TO MR. BURNETT. MEGAN?

>> AND HIS SPOKE TO MR. BURNETT - - READ THE PACKAGE WRONG SO AFTER I REREAD IT LAST NIGHT I SPOKE TO HER AGAIN THIS MORNING. WE DISCUSSED OF THIS ORDER DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR COMPETENCY PLAN CHANGE? ALRIGHT MR.BURNETT, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR .

HE LEFT. >> I REALIZE I DID NOT HAVE MY PHONE, I CANNOT IMAGINE IT RINGING IN THE MIDDLE OF MY

PRESENTATION. >> I THINK ELLENAVERY SMITH

WITHOUT RUN YOU . >> FOR THE RECORD, DOUG BURNETT, ST. JOHN'S LAW GROUP ALSO WITH ME IS PRINCIPAL OF THE DEVELOPER - - AND SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.WHEN WE RUN THROUGH BROKE BOTH OF THEM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE PUD.

LOOKING AT THE PROJECT AREA, THE OVERALL COUNTY MAP WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOUTHEAST PORTION OF THE COUNTY COME A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK IT IS THE NORTHWESTERN SECTION OF STATE ROAD 206 AND U.S. 1. A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK FROM ARIEL, YOU CAN SEE; COMING DOWN FROM THE NORTH IN 206.

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TO THE NORTH OF THAT WITH THE CIRCLE DRIVEWAY GOING AROUND AND THE OBLONG DRIVER GOING IN THE FUND, THAT IS THE COUNTY SOUTHEAST. ACROSS FROM THAT WHERE DUCK POND ROAD IS THIS DOUBLE LAKE SUBDIVISION AND THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THE OPERATION IS OUTLINED THERE.

TWO OTHER THINGS TO NOTE, AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF U.S. 1 AND 206, THAT IS THE COMMERCIAL RV SALES CENTER.

THAT GRAY AREA ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE MAP, I WILL SHOW YOU THAT IN A MINUTE, THAT IS THE LOCATION WHERE THE BOAT AND RV STORAGE IS. LOOKING AT THE COMPETENCE OF PLAN AMENDMENT, THIS IS THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL B DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO MIXED-USE DISTRICT PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED THERE, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE RV BOAT SALES CENTER.

THE ONE ON THE LEFT WAS ACTUALLY CHANGED IN 2019, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED IN 2019 TO FACILITATE MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT ON THE PARCEL TO THE LEFT. THAT'S HOW THE BOAT AND RV STORAGE MOVE FROM THE RV SALES CENTER CAME TO BE.

ONE OTHER THING TO NOTE, ON THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS THAT WE ARE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY.

SO OFTEN WHEN YOU REALLY COMPETENCY PLAN AMENDMENT AND YOU LOOK AT THOSE COMPETENCY PLAN AND PROVISIONS ON EVALUATING A COPY OF THE PLAN AMENDMENT, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT ARE RELATED IS AN IMMENSE BEING OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY. WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARIES, THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT TALK ABOUT THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, I WILL RUN THROUGH THAT IN A MOMENT. JUST LOOK AT OBJECTIVE 8.1.2 IN THE CONTROL OF URBAN SPRAWL. 8.1.2.2 IS THE COUNTY SHALL - - WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA AS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

WE ARE SQUARELY WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE, MORE INTENSIVE USE ALONG 206 FILTERING OUT LESS INTENSIVE TO THE NORTH.

LOOKING AT YOUR STAFF REPORT, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WILL NOTE ON PAGE 11 IS TWO POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN POINTED OUT, I JUST WENT OVER 8.1.2.2. IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK BACK AT THE COMPETENCE OF PLAN ON THOSE PROVISIONS, YOU CAN SEE UNDER SUB A, IT TALKS ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONTINUOUS THAN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AREA.

WE ARE INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT AREA, A LOT OF THESE THINGS DON'T APPLY ORREALLY FIT . IF YOU LOOK AT SUB E, - - DISCOURAGE INFILLING OF MORE APPROPRIATE AREAS WITHIN EXISTING AREA BOUNDARIES. THE PLAN IS DRIVING EVERYTHING TO DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY.

THIS IS POINTED OUT BY YOUR STAFF, AGAIN, KATHY SHALL ENCOURAGED URBAN GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT AREAS WHICH ARE THOSE DEVELOPED ON FUTURE LAND USE MAP WHICH I SHOWED YOU.

ONE THAT WAS NOT BROUGHT UP BY STEP WHAT IS IMPORTANT HERE, THIS ISSUE ABOUT DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARIES IS NOW OUTLINED THE STAFF REPORT. ONE REASON IS BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO THE MAP AND CLICK DOWN THE LAYERS, YOU DON'T GET TO DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARIES IS SOMETHING TO SELECT AS A LAYER.

YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE ACTUAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO SEE WHERE THE MAP HAS BEEN DRAWN. IF YOU LOOK AT A1 2A IT IS THE KATHY SHALL ENCOURAGED INFILL DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS ON VACANT PARCELS OF LAND WITHIN DEVELOPMENT AREAS SURROUNDED BY EXISTING BUILD AREAS. AGAIN, DRIVING DEVELOPMENT TO THESE AREAS. PUBLIC SERVICES, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK AT AND A COPY OF THE PLAN AMENDMENT IS AGAIN, GOES BACK TO THE UNDERLYING POLICIES OF RENTING A

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SCHOOL CONCURRENCY, WE KNOW YOU LOVE THE PROPORTION OF FAIR SHARE, WE DISPLAY THIS CAPACITY AT ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL. WE CAN FILE AN APPLICATION UNTIL ADOPTION, BUT WE ARE IN THE SOUTHWARDS, GAMBLE ROGERS AND PEDRO MENENDEZ WHICH IS JUST DOWN THE STREET.

TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY, THIS IS NOT THIS PROJECT FOR YOU DEAL WITH THAT ARE ON THE COUNTY WHERE WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. OUR TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE

BY BUCHHOLZ. P>> WE DON'T NEED ANY COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE, YOU'LL GET YOUR CHANCE.

>> THE TRAFFIC STUDY CLEARLY IDENTIFIES THERE IS NO ANTICIPATED TRANSPORTATION PROBLEMS CONNECTED TO THE PROJECT. THIS PROJECT IS NOWHERE NEAR ZERO 16 WHERE EVERYTHING YOUR PROJECT ON STATE ROUTE 16, DOMINATE THE CONVERSATION. THIS IS A DIFFERENT PART OF THE COUNTY. YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY STAFF REPORT ON THIS APPLICATION, PAGE 8, IT TALKS ABOUT THERE BEINGCAPACITY . THEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL DEFICIENCY ROADMAP WITHIN 4 MILES OF THIS LOCATION AND NOTHING IS IDENTIFIED. FROM A TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT, THE ROADS HAVE CAPACITY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE KATHY SPREADSHEET THAT WAS UPDATED IN JUNE 2022, AND YOU FLIP TO THE NEXT PAGE AND SEE THE COUNTS RELATED TO TRAFFIC ON STATE ROUTE 16, EXCUSE ME, STATE ROUTE 206, AND YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA, YOU SEE 60% OF CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRAFFIC IN THIS PROJECT.

U.S. 1 NORTH AT 206 AND SOUTH OF 206 BOTH HAVE A LOT OF CAPACITY. NORTH OF 206 INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH AS MORE AVAILABLE CAPACITY AND SOUTH OF 206.

THERE IS MORE TRAFFIC ON SOUTH 206 AND THERE IS NORTH.

I THINK THAT RELATES TO TRAFFIC HEADED TO THE SOUTH THAT COMES OFF THEBEACH . THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED FEDERAL STATEMENT OF WILDLIFE SPECIES, THAT WAS A PART OF THEIR SITE VISIT THEY DID, NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS FOR ENDANGERED SPECIES OR HABITAT. SOIL, IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT, HERE IS SERVICES THAT AT THE SITE AND CONCLUDED THERE'S NOTHING OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANT ON THE SITE, NOTHING THAT COULD BE LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTRY.

UTILITY SERVICE, WE ARE WELL WITHIN THE UTILITY SERVICE AREA AND JUST AS A PRACTICAL MATTER WHEN YOU LOOK AT WATER AND SEWER AVAILABILITY, A LOT OF TIMES THE FIREFIGHTERS WILL TELL YOU WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED.

YOU CAN LOOK AT OUR SITE, THERE ARE FIRE HYDRANTS EVERYWHERE, A CUSTOMER SITE ON U.S. 1 AND PUBLIC UTILITIES HAVE BEEN EXTENDED TO THE SOUTH AT LEAST AS FAR AS ROCK SPRINGS WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM THERE.

ON THE REZONING SIDE, THE CURRENT EXISTING ZONING IS OUR MH. YOU HAVE THE EAST-WEST PROPERTY IF YOU WILL, THAT IS OWNED BY ONE OWNER.

IT HAS BEEN RMH FOR A VERY LONG TIME ON THE COUNTY ZONING MAP.

IT HAS BEEN RMH BEFORE MANY OF THE THINGS AROUND THE TWO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ZONINGS, THE ZONING THAT IS ON THE EAST OF THE SITE AND NORTH OF THE SITE, THE PUD.

IF YOU CLICK ON THE MAP, IT WILL GIVE YOU THE ORDINANCE ASSOCIATE WITH THE ZONING. THERE IS NO ORDINANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARCEL BECAUSE IT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR SO LONG. JUST TO GO OVER THIS SINGLE-FAMILY MOBILE HOMES AND MOBILE HOME PARKS - - MANDEVILLE AND CODE. LOOKING AT THE SITE AGAIN WITH THE EXISTING ZONING PLAYING IN WITH AN AERIAL SO YOU GET A GOOD PICTURE, THAT IS THE RM H PIECE.

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THIS RMH PARCEL HAS A SEPARATE OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN THE PARCEL GOING DOWN TO 06. IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT PARCEL HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO U.S. 1. WE EFFECTIVELY SUBMIT TO YOU THAT WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO SEE FOR THIS PROJECT THE ADVANCEMENT OF BENEFIT TO THE AREA.

IT ELIMINATES ACCESS ARE POTENTIAL FOR ACCESS OFF OF U.S. 1 AND ALSO LIMIT A SITUATION WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE SIGNAGE FOR A MOBILE HOME PARK IN THIS AREA WERE JUST TO THE NORTH FOR EXAMPLE IS WOODLAKE. THAT SIGN IS ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WHICH PUT YOU PRETTY CLOSE TO THIS PORTION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

I WILL PUT SOME COLOR TO THIS MAP IN A MINUTE, BUT OVERALL HIGHLIGHT IS 23 POINT ACRES, ONE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, HUNDRED 37 TOWNHOMES AND 1.2 MILLION ACRES OF COMMERCIAL.

PUTTING COLOR TO ITHELPS MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE .

YOU WILL SEE OURTHREE RETENTION PONDS .

YOU CAN SEE OUR COMMERCIAL PARCEL IN 206, ARE ONE SINGLE-FAMILY. THEN YOU CAN SEE THE OPEN SPACE THAT FALLS IN AROUND THE PROJECT.

OVERALL, THIS GIVES YOU A GOOD PICTURE OF THE PROJECT.

YOU SAY WHY IS THERE A SINGLE-FAMILY LOT IN THE MIDDLE THE PROJECT? THAT IS BECAUSE THIS PORTION COMING DOWN TO THE SOUTH, THE RECTANGLE OR PORTION HAS TWO OWNERS ON IT. ONE OF THE OWNERS IS ALL - - FAMILY WHO WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A GREENHOUSE ON A SINGLE-FAMILY LOT THAT LOCATION, THE SUPPORT OF A NEGOTIATED TO HAVE ONE SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS.YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNAL DRIVE DOWN TO 06. NO DRUG OR CONNECTION TO U.S. 1 FROM THE PROPERTY INSTEAD, THE PROPERTY FROM; WOULD HAVE A RETENTION POND WITH OBVIOUSLY BUFFER AROUND IT.

WE HAVE OUR 10 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE DELAY ARE IN A MORE SIGNIFICANT BUFFER NORTH IN MOST ALL OF IT, IT IS 30 FEET IN WIDTH AND TRAIL DOWN TO 29 FEET ON THE SAND. OVERALL, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD BUFFER TO THE NORTH. WE WOULD HAVE OUR COMMUNITY RECREATION AREA FRONTING THE POND TO THE WEST SPIRIT IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST, THOSE OTHER RAILROAD TRACKS ON THE ACTIVE SOUTHEAST RAILROAD LINES THAT RUN THROUGH THE COUNTY.

THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL HERE IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE RAILROAD.

THIS IS THE PARCEL THEY USE FOR MAINTENANCE STACKS.

THOSE TRUCKS THAT HAVE THE METAL WHEELS LIKE GO DOWN THE TRACKS TO ALLOW THEM TO DRIVE DOWN THE TRACKS, OCCASIONALLY I THINK THE PART GOES THERE. GOING BACK TO THE SITE AERIAL AND LAYING IN THE SITE PLAN ON THE AERIAL, YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE OVERALL CONTEXT FOR THE PROJECT AND THE LOCATION. MY CLIENT DID TO CONSIDERATION OF THE FACT THAT ONE ENHANCEMENT WAS NOT ONLY GETTING RID OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK, BUT ALSO ELIMINATING - - DOES HAVE AN ATTRACTIVE FEATURE NEXT TO IT.THERE ARE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN SEE THIS, THE INDIVIDUAL TOWNHOME LOTS.

SOME EXTRA PARKING PLACES, INDIVIDUAL TOWNHOME LOTS AND THERE ARE SOME TOWNHOME LOTS IN THIS LOCATION SOUTH OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE. THE IMPORTANT THING ABOUT TOWNHOMES, WE ARE NOT HERE FOR OUR CONDOMINIUM PROJECT.

TOWNHOMES HAVE THE TO OWNERSHIP OF WHAT IS UNDERNEATH YOUR UNITS. THE BENEFIT OF THAT YOU GET IN THIS WORLD IS CONDOMINIUMS ARE CANDY, ESPECIALLY IN DOWNTURNS, MORE DIFFICULT TO GET TRADITIONAL FINANCING.

YOU SEE MORE NUMBERS LIKE 7030 FINANCING.

TOWNHOMES GET THE SAME FINANCING WITH A SINGLE-FAMILY.

MORE 80 Ã20, FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYERS, THAT SORT OF THING.

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THERE MAY BE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT I WILL GET BACK YOUR ADDRESS THOSE THINGS, THERE ARE VERY LIMITED NUMBERS OF TOWNHOMES CURRENTLY FOR SALE ANYWHERE IN THIS AREA.

I LOOKED AT REALTOR.COM AND THERE ARE FIVE SOUTH OF MOULTRIE. YOU THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOT, THEY JUST ON EXISTS. THERE IS A DEMAND, IT BRINGS A LOT TO THE COUNTY ESPECIALLY WITH THE COUNTIES LOOKING FOR LIKE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALTERNATIVES.

ALTHOUGH WE ARE NOT TECHNICALLY MEETING THOSE NUMBERS, IT DOES GET DOWN TO THAT MORE AFFORDABLE RANGE THAT WE SEEN A SINGLE-FAMILY. WITH THAT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> RICHARD?

>> I DID SPEAK WITH DOUG ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS EARLIER TODAY. NUMBER ONE, I'M NOT OPPOSED THIS BEEN DEVELOPED AS A RESIDENTIAL B, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THAT BECAUSE IT ADJOINS RESIDENTIAL B TO THE WHOLE VISION OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS DEVELOPED FOR THAT SOUTH END OF THE COUNTY THERE WAS RESIDENTIAL B. AS YOU SAY, RESIDENTIAL, MOBILE, MANUFACTURED HOUSING ZONING IS NEW, HAS BEEN THERE LONG TIME.

LOOKING AT WOODLAKE IN PARTICULAR THAT THIS ADJOINS, THAT IS A VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THEIR.

I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS WAY TO DANCE.

YOU ARE ASKING FOR THREE TIMES THE DENSITY, NEARLY, FROM TWO UNITS PER ACRE TO 5.98. YOU ARE AT THREE TIMES THE DENSITY WHICH CONCERNS ME. SOME OF THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT YOUCAN RESPOND TO ANSWER MY COMMENTS .

YOU PUT IN THE APPLICATION THAT THIS IS A TRANSITION AREA BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL B AND MIXED-USE.

I CAN SORT OF SEE THAT, BUT THREE TIMES THE DENSITY, I DON'T BUY THE TRANSITIONAL ASPECT TO THIS.

THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE RIGHT THERE OFF U.S. 1, THAT IS A MOBILE HOME RIGHT NOW COMING IN? I CANNOT SEE FROM; LOOKING THROUGH THE GATE.

>> IT IS NOT A MOBILE HOME. IF THE TRADITIONAL HOME, NOT A

MOBILE HOME. >> I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE LARGE WETLAND THAT JUST SOUTH AND JOINS STATE ROAD 206.

AS YOU SAID, THAT IS YOUR ONLY EGRESS BECAUSE YOU WILL BLOCK THAT OFF, THE HOLDING POND IN THE U.S. 1 SIDE.YOU WILL HVE TO FILL A LOT OF THATWETLAND, OVER HALF OF IT .

I CALCULATED 60% OF THAT WETLAND WILL BE FILLED NOT ONLY FOR THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT BUT THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THE 25,000 FT.B2, BUT RESIDENTIAL B DOES ALLOW COMMERCIAL TO BE DEVELOPED YOU CAN STILL DO THE COMMERCIAL, BUT I'M WORRIED BECAUSE THAT IS VERY LOW COMING OFF OF STATE ROAD 206.

THE TREES AND THERE, RED MAPLE , I CANNOT GO ON THE SITE BECAUSE I'M NOT ALLOWED TO TRESPASS, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT HOW MUCH PHIL IS GOING TO BE NEEDED FOR THAT.

TO BRING THAT UP TO GRADE WITH U.S. 1 AND POTENTIAL FLOODING.

I KNOW NOBODY SUPPOSED TO FLOOD AN ADJOINING PROPERTY AND IT HAS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE FILL COMING IN THERE, PARTICULARLY GIVEN, YOU AND I DISCUSSED THIS, THE SOIL ON THE PROPERTY. THAT IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR.

IT SEVERELY POORLY DRAINED SOIL WHICH OCCUPIES 2/3 OF THE SITE AND MAYBE 40% OF THE SITE IS RIVIERA SAND, THAT IS A FREQUENTLY FLOODED TYPE OF SOIL.

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IT WAS BACKED UP GOING WEST OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

THIS IS TRAFFIC COMING FROM I-95 OR FROM PEDRO MENENDEZ.

IT WAS HONESTLY BACKED UP PAST THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

THAT WAS ALL THE WAY FROM THE LIGHT AT U.S. 1 AND 206, SOLIDLY BACKED UP. WHEN YOU ARE INCREASING THE TRAFFIC SO MUCH, NOT ONLY THE PEAK P.M. DAILY TRIPS BUT THE TOTAL DAILY TRIPS, I WOULD THINK MOST PEOPLE COMING OUT OF HERE ONTO 206 WILL PROBABLY TURN LEFT, I DON'T KNOW THAT FROM THE FACT THAT THE DRIVE UP TO SAN AUGUSTINE OR THE BEACH ORWHATEVER . TRYING TO TURN LEFT WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC I SAW YESTERDAY, IT WAS LUNCH HOUR, PEOPLE DRIVING AROUND, THAT WOULD CONCERN ME FOR PEOPLE TURNING LEFT ON U.S.

1, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF TEENAGE DRIVERS WERE DRIVING TO PEDRO MENENDEZ HIGH SCHOOL, THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE. SO HOW SOON, IF THIS IS APPROVED, HOW SOON WILL THIS GO?

>> HOW SOON DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD GET BUILT?

>> YES, SIR. >> EVERYTHING TIMELY, I REPRESENTED THIS CLIENT FOR A WHILE NOW AND THEY USUALLY MOVE FORWARD. THIS IS A CLIENT THAT THE NUMBER OFPROJECTS IN THE COUNTY .

THEY ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE COUNTY SESSION SYSTEM.

WHEN I SAY HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF PROJECTS, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING PROJECTS FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARSOF MY CAREER .

LONGER THAN MY CAREER. >> SO PRETTY QUICK DEVELOPMENT?

>> I WOULD ASSUME SO. >> THE REASON I AM ASKING THAT IS BARRY DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LETTER FROM THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT, HE STATED THAT THERE CANNOT BE ANY SEWER AVAILABILITY UNTIL MID 2025. THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION, IS DOWN AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THAT LETTER THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY SEWER CAPACITY UNTIL MID 2025. WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT THIS ON SEPTIC AND I KNOW YOUINTEND TO .

>> WE CAN ANSWER THAT ONE, IT CANNOT BE ON SEPTIC.

>> SEWER AVAILABILITY FOR OVER TWO YEARS, THEY SAY IT IS SCHEDULED OR PLAN TO COME ONLINE.

THERE ARE SUPPLY-CHAIN ISSUES STILL, LABOR SHORTAGES, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE LIKE THAT GOING FORWARD, I HOPE NOT.

THAT SEWAGE CAPACITY MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE UNTIL 2026 OR THE END OF CLAIM 25. THAT IS WHY I ASKED ABOUT HOW

SOON. >> I THINK YOU WOULD SEE AND A FIVE YEAR WINDOW. IF YOU ARE APPROVED TODAY READY TO GO, WE HAVE 18 MONTHS OF PERMITTING FOR BE PUNISHABLE ON

THE GROUND, AT BEST. >> I ALREADY DID NOTE THAT YOU COULD DO NEIGHBOR COMMERCIAL WITH RESIDENTIAL B. WHAT WERE THE HEIGHT OF THESE UNITS BE? THESE ARE TWO STORY UNITS I

ASSUME? >> WE DO NOT LIMIT THEM TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THE CODE WITH REQUIRE WHICH IS ATTRITIONAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE.

THEY ARE TOWNHOMES SO MOST YOU WILL SEE A TWO STORY UNITS.

I WILL NOTE THAT EVERY SINGLE TOWN DEVELOPMENT THAT I KNOW FOR THIS AREA, THEY ARE ALL TWO STORY.

>> RIGHT, BEER ON THE EAST SIDE OF U.S. 1 GOING NORTH.I'VE ASKED YOU BEFORE, THERE WAS A STATEMENT IN THE APPLICATION, I THINK IT WAS THE STAFF RIGHT UP THE HAD MENTIONED RENTAL UNITS.

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>> WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THIS PROJECT IS A TOTAL PARTNER PROJECTS, IT'S A TOWNHOME AND DESIGNED TO BE PROVIDED UNITS.

THE INTENT WOULD BE TOO HAVE INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED TOWNHOMES

.>> THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS THAT IT ALSO STATED SOMEWHERE IN THERE THAT IF THERE WERE RENTAL UNITS, YOUR CLIENT THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO ONLY UTILITIES AND MAINTAIN

THOSE. >> THIS WOULD BE INTENDED TO BE AN ISSUE A TYPE OF ASSOCIATION. THAT LANGUAGE IS PROBABLY MORE

GENERIC. >> LET ME ASK YOU THIS ABOUT RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE . IT STATED IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS AT THE PROPOSAL GENERATED A NEED FOR 5.9 ACRES OF SPACE. WHEN YOU SHOW THE SLIDE A FEW MINUTES AGO, YOU HAD 4.24 ACRES OF THE.

IT STATES IN THE APPLICATION 5.9.

>> I MAY HAVE A TYPO IN MY POWERPOINT.

>> THERE IS AN ACRE AND A HALF MISSING.

>> THERE'S NOTHING IN THE OPEN SPACE, WE HAVE NOT REQUESTED ANY WAIVERS TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

>> THEN I SAW ANOTHER STATEMENT THAT YOU WILL PROVIDE 1.24 ACRES, MAYBE THAT ISRECREATION .

IT JUST WASN'T CLEAR. I AM GLAD THAT YOU SHOW THE FIRE HYDRANTS IN THE AREA. THAT WAS A GOOD SLIDE SHOWING ALL THOSE FIRE HYDRANTS. THIS IS A CLASS 10 W ISO RATING FOR PUBLIC PROTECTION CLASSIFICATION.

SINCE YOU ARE TRYING TO DRAMATICALLY OR SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE THE DENSITY THREEFOLD, I WAS REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT HAVING THE SECOND LOWEST FIRE SAFETY RATING WHEN YOU WILL INCREASE THE DENSITY THAT MUCH. NOT HAVING A FIRE STATION

WITHIN 5 MILES IS CONCERNING. >> I THINK IF WE HAD THE ACCESS ON U.S. 1, IT COMES SO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY AND I CAN PULL THIS MAP UP, IT COMES SO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY THAT A 5 MILE RADIUS, OUR ACCESS TO U.S. 1 BECAUSE IT IS NOT 5 MILES AS THE CROW FLIES, IT'S 5 MILES AS A FIRE TRUCK DRIVES.

I THINK OUR NORTH AND ACTUALLY HIT THAT SPOT, BUT WITH NO U.S.

1 ACCESS BECAUSE THAT SCENE IS BEING A BENEFIT TO US TO NOT HAVE THAT ACCESS THEIR, YOU GET OUTSIDE OF THE 5 MILE.

>> SO RESCUE VEHICLES ARE FIRE TRUCKS WILL STILL COME DOWN;

ALL THE WAY TO 2206? >> CORRECT, NO DIFFERENT THAN THEY HAVE TO GO SOUTH OF HERE WHERE THERE IS 186 FOR A FAMILY

THAT WAS APPROVED. >> ALRIGHT, I VOTED AGAINST THAT.I WILL STOP FOR NOW, I MAY HAVE A FEW OTHER THINGS HERE BUT THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS AND YOU'VE ADDRESSED SOME OF THEM. AS I SAID, I'M NOTOPPOSED IS BEING DEVELOPED . SO, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS,

THANK YOU. >> MEGAN?

>> REVIEWED THE NORTH, ARE THOSE DUPLEXES?

>> LITTLE POND WAY?THE SUBDIVISION DIRECTLY TO THE

NORTH IS SINGLE-FAMILY. >> I'M TALKING TO THE NORTH AND THE EAST, NORTHEAST. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE

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>> MY COMPUTER FOR WHATEVER REASON WILL NOT LET ME GET THE INTERNET. I CAN ANSWER THAT IF YOU WILL LET ME CLICK BUT IT WON'T FOR WHATEVER REASON, I THINK YOU

ARE CORRECT. >> I WAS JUST CURIOUS, THANK

YOU.>> ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE. WHY ISN'T THIS CONNECTING TO

U.S. 1? >> TWO THINGS.

ONE, THE BIGGEST THING AND DOING THIS FOR A NUMBER OF PROJECTS WHERE YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF SITUATION, IF YOU HAD BOTH ACCESS POINTS, THE TOOL SIX AND U.S. 1, PEOPLE WILL CUT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO HEAR OR VICE VERSA.

IF YOU ARE TRYING TO GET TO PEDRO MENENDEZ, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO PEDRO MENENDEZ.

THEY WOULD CUT THROUGH HERE AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE LIGHT IN THIS RANGE TO HEAR, SO IT'S AN EASY CALL TO TAKE THE RIGHT AND AVOID THE LIGHT. IT ELIMINATES THE SUBDIVISION FROM BEING A RACETRACK. THE ADDED THING IS THE PLANNING TEAM.PUTTING THIS POND HERE AGAIN HELPS THIS OVERALL AREA BECOME MORE BEAUTIFIED AND KEEP THE TRAFFIC OFF OF U.S. 1. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE IT ACCESSES, IT IS NOT LIKE WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID THE DIRECTLY ACCESS THE LINK BEING BROKEN AND WE NEED TO GO TO THE OTHER SIDE, EITHER ONE OF THESE ACCESS POINTS HAS PLENTY OF CAPACITY FOR TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THIS PROJECT. IT SEEMED MORE IN TUNE TO ROUTE THE TRAFFIC WHERE YOU WILL HAVE COMMERCIAL FUNDING IN 206.

>> - - WITHIN 300 FEET, IT TOOK HIM THERE.

YOU CAN TELL ON THE MAP THAT HE PUT OUT THERE IT'S THE NARROW STRIP OF LAND AND WHERE THEY ARE BUILDING, THAT IS WETLAND AND IT STAYS BUT A GOOD PART OF THE TIME UNLESS WE AREIN DROUGHT . IDENTITY, YOU CAN SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HAVE THIS NARROW STRIP.

THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING HUNDRED 37 IN THAT STRIP .

THE REASON WHY THEY DON'T WANT TO GO OUT THERE ONE IS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TURN LEFT OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION.

THAT WILL MAKE EVERYONE COMING OUT MAKE A RIGHT-HAND TURN AND IF THEY WANT TO GO UP IN THE TOWN THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN AT THE CIRCLE K. I HAVE BEEN THERE ABOUT FIVE YEARS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PLAINTIFF - - NO VALUE TO OUR HISTORY OF THESE TREES THAT OTHERS HUNDREDS OF YEARS.

IF THEY JUST SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, THEY CAN SAVE SOME OF THESE.I KNOW THERE ARE AT LEAST 20 OUT THERE.

I MEAN THE TREES THAT HAD THE LIMBS TO COME DOWN TO THE GROUND, THE KIND THAT KIDS LOVE.

THE OTHER THING IS THE RECREATION AREA, THERE IS NO POOL. OUR SUBDIVISION HAS A POOL, THERE ARE PEOPLE CUTTINGTHROUGH .

MY POOL IS THE FIRST ONE THEY ARE GOING TO SEE, THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE BACK WINDOW AT ME IN MY POOL.

I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE NOW I HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT KIDS WHICH USUALLY WITH LOWER-COST HOUSIN , MINE WILL BE THE FIRST ON THE SEA. INSURANCE WISE, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT AND I AM WORRIED ABOUT PEDESTRIANS, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS OR ANYTHING. IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS

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IT'S MAXIMIZE HER PROFIT, NO CONCERN FOR THE WILDLIFE, NO

CONCERN FOR THE WETLANDS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS DANIEL - - RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUBDIVISION AND BECOME DOWN THE AISLE. TO STAND HERE AND SAY THERE IS NO TRAFFIC ISSUES, I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN SAINT AUGUSTINE SO I KNOW TRAFFIC ISSUES. THERE'S BEEN A LOT.HOW MANY ACTIVE SEVEN RIGHT THERE ARE FIGURE 206 AND;? BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUES. HE GO DOWN SOUTH ON STATE ROUTE 206, THINKING THAT RIGHT-HAND TURN BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 7:30 AND 10:00, IT IS LOCKED UP FOREVER.

THERE ARE TRAFFIC ISSUES, PULLING OUT IN ANOTHER 137 HOMES, THAT IS A LOT MORE TRAFFIC.JUST SOUTH OF STATE ROAD 206, YOU HAVE THE OTHER BE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING ON DOWN THERE. 200 SOMETHING HOUSES IN THAT AREA AT LEAST, THERE ARE TRAFFIC ISSUES.

IF THEY WANT TO BE ANYTHING SEPARATING THE TWO COMMUNITIES? I HEARD THEM SAY MAYBE A WALL OR SOMETHING.

ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, AND THE WAY HERE WE WERE TALKING TO THE GENTLEMAN ON THE TURTLE PATROL IN SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH.

THERE ARE NIMALS. THE OWLS, THE HAWKS, I HAVE HAD DEAR, I ADDED TURKEYS, I HAVE HAD PIGSIN THE BACKYARDS .

THERE ARE A LOT OF ANIMALS IN THERE.

THE WETLANDS, THAT IS REALLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS.I HOPE EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN THERE, OR IF THEY HAVE NOT, THEY GO THERE. AGAIN, I WAS THE THIRD PERSON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE ARE LOOKING AT ALMOST 14 YEARSAGO .

I HAVE SEEN WITH THE RAIN DOES BACK THERE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT THERE IS A BED OF A USED TRUCK THAT IS MISSING THERE SINCE I LIVED THERE, BUT THE WATER THAT GOES IN THERE, I HAVE WALKED IN WATER RIGHT THERE THAT WAS ALMOST TO MY KNEECAP, IT FLOODED SO MUC.

WHEN THE HURRICANES COME, THAT IS MY BIG FEAR.

THERE IS ALL WETLAND ISSUE BACK THERE.

I CAN WALK IN MY YARD RIGHT NOW AND I CAN TELL YOU BECAUSE OF THE RAIN WE HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUE WITH WATER. I THINK THE BOARDING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, THE COMMISSION.

IT IS TOO MUCH WORK, THANK YOU. >> JOHN MCMANUS.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS JOHN MCMANUS, I LIVE AT 121 LITTLE POND WAY. WE JUST MOVED IN MY WIFE AND I SIX MONTHS AGO. I'M AN ATTORNEY UP IN ATLANTA, I'VE BEEN PRACTICING TRIAL LAWYER FROM HIS 40 YEARS.

WE HAD A CONDOMINIUM IN SAINT AUGUSTINE IN 21, OUR DREAM WAS TO MOVE DOWN TO SAN AUGUSTINE AND RETIRE.

WE FOUND A BEAUTIFUL HOME OVER IN WOULD LIKE SUBDIVISION AND WE FELL IN LOVE WITH IT. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE, IS QUIET, IT HAS A LOT OF WILDLIFE AND NICE NEIGHBORS.

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I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE VERY COMPANY COUNCIL FROM ST. JOHN'S LEGAL. I'M SURE THAT THEY HAVE DONE A BEAUTIFUL JOB OF GETTING PROPER EVALUATIONS DONE, MY CONCERN IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET INDEPENDENT EVALUATIONS AND INDEPENDENT INSPECTIONS TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE ENDANGERED WILDLIFE THAT WOULD GO HERE.

I WAS CONCERNED THAT MOVING FROM ATLANTA, SAN AUGUSTINE WOODMERE ATLANTA VERY SOON IF YOU ARE ALLOWING EVERY SQUARE INCH OF SPACE TO BE BUILT WITH MAXIMUM RESIDENCES.

THAT IS WHY WE ARE LEAVING ATLANTA AND WHY MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THIS AREA. IT'S AN ATTRACTIVE AREA.

PEOPLE COME TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY BECAUSE IT IS A WONDERFUL PLACE IN THIS, AND LIVES.

IT WON'T BE LONG IF YOU ALLOW FOR THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE USED FOR MAXIMUM PROFITS AND WILDLIFE AND ENDANGERED SPECIES AND RETIREES.

JUST TALK ABOUT TAX DOLLARS AND OTHER THINGS AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT THESE OLD PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING HERE THE QUALITY OF LIFE. WE MOVED HERE FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE. WE MOVED HERE TO BE WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR THIS KIND OF LIFE.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A COME ON MY PROPERTY BACKS UP DIRECTLY TO THIS PROPERTY. 121 LITTLE POND IS RIGHT THERE ON THE BORDER OF 137 PROPOSED TOWNHOMES.

WE WOULD SOON MOVE FROM THERE AND TRY TO FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE TO LIVE IF THAT IS THE WAY ST. JOHN'S WILL CONDUCT ITSELF.

WE HOPE THAT THIS PANEL WILL REJECT THIS, MAYBE THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE USE THAT IS NOT USE AS MUCH SPACE AND DOESN'T HAVE MUCH TRAFFIC CONTROL AND TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE WILDLIFE, BUT RIGHT NOW THIS PROPOSAL SEEMS TO ME TO BE ABSOLUTELY UNLOVABLE FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE SUBDIVISION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> WILLIAM REMI?>> I AM BUILD REMI AND I LIVE AT 112 LITTLE POND WAY.

206 IS ONE OF TWO EVACUATION ROADS ON THE BEACH.

IT ALSO IS AT A HIGH SCHOOL AS A SHELTER AREA.

NO TRAFFIC COMING OUT THE 206 NOW, VERY LITTLE EXCEPT FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE TRAIN TRACKS RIGHT THERE WHERE THEY TRY TO GET OUT VERY DANGEROUSLY.

ONE TRACK IS DOUBLE TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT ON SOUTH WATER 206.

THERE ARE 260 NEW HOMES ON SAN AUGUSTINE SURE IS BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW. THEY ARE THE EASIEST WAY TO GET TO 95, IT'S COMING DOWN ONE AND MAKING A RIGHT-HAND TURN ONTO 06. THERE COMING DOWN ONE GOING ON EVEN 206. NO OTHER TOWNHOMES ARE BEING BUILT BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO TOWNHOMES ON THE EAST AND NORTH SIDE OF 100 AND THEY STARTED UPBUILDING THE OTHER 12 TOWNHOUSES IN THE AREA. WE HAVE ONE HIGH SCHOOL, ONE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ONE GRAMMAR SCHOOL IN THE AREA.

THE LINE FROM ONE IS NOT BIG ENOUGH TO GOING TO THE RIGHT TURN LANE. SO, YOU'RE SITTING IN THE LEFT-HAND LANE WITH THE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH.

YOU WILL DROP OFF ALL THE TRAFFIC THERE.

PEOPLE ARE USING 206 TO THE BEACH INSTEAD OF USING 207 AND

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MUCH. >> CHARLES GUNDERSON.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MY NAME IS CHARLES GUNDERSO , I HAVE A COUPLE OF SHORT LITTLE VIDEOS ABOUT 1.5 MINUTES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THE SCREEN.

I LIVE ON DUCK POND DRIVE. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE.

A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE HAD TO PUT 5 INCH RAIN OVER A COUPLE OF DAYS. ALL OF OUR HOMES ON DUCK PAINT POND DRIVE SLANT TO THE WOODS. THERE IS MY NEIGHBOR'S FENCE.

THE NEXT ONE, THIS IS ALL THE WATER THAT SITS OUT THERE IN THE WETLANDS AREA. THAT WATER STAYS THERE FOR MONTHS AT A TIME, ESPECIALLY DURING RAINY SEASON LET ALONE A HURRICANE. ALL OF OUR HOMES AND TERRAIN, THERE IS NO PLACE FOR IT TO GO. IF THEY BUILD THEIR THEY WILL HAVE TO RAISE THE LANDS WITH THE TOWNHOMES.WHERE IS ALL THAT WATER SUPPOSED TO GO? THAT'S THE BEAUTIFUL TREES IN THE WETLANDS AREA, TURKEYS, OWLS, EVERYTHING.

THAT IS MY BIG CONCERN. YOU CAN SEE ALL THAT WATER.

IF THEY LIKE THAT FOR MONTHS. I APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU.

>> SHARON HALE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS SHARON HALE. I LIVE AT 311 PARKWOOD CIRCLE IN THE WOULD LIKE SUBDIVISION. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU SOME OF THE SAME STORIES YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, MAYBE I WILL ADD A FEW SENTENCES TO A COUPLE OF THEM. I HAVE A LITTLE PRESENTATION FOR YOU AND I WILL GO OVER THAT WITH YOU.THE OBJECT OF THIS AFTERNOON IS TO GET YOU TO DENY THISPROPOSAL .

I LIKE TO PUT MY CARDS ON THE TABLE EARLY.

WE HAVE GOT SEVERAL CONCERNS THIS AFTERNOON, MY EYES ARE NOT TAKE IT ANYMORE. I FIGURED AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROPOSAL THAT THERE ARE EIGHT THINGS THEY HAVE TO SAY THEY NEED TO DO TO GET THIS APPROVED.

I WANTED TO GO OVER THOSE EIGHT THINGS AND TELL YOU WHY I DON'T THINK THEY MEET THEM. THE FIRST ONE SEEMS TO BE DIRECT AND LOCATE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND LAND DEVELOPMENT IN A MANNER THAT IS NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT IN OUR NATURAL ECOSYSTEMS. YOU DO HAVE HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD OAK TREES OUT THERE AND I HAVE BEEN INFORMED WHEN WERE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING THAT LAND ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU GET $10,000 OF TREES FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM THEY CUT DOWN AND IT GETS PUT INTO A FUND THAT YOU TRY TO BUY STUFF FOR LATER.

AS A RETIRED RESPIRATORY THERAPIST, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY NEED THOSE TREES. THEY PROVIDE US WITH OXYGEN AND COVER, $10,000 WILL NOT REPLACE THE OXYGEN THAT WE ARE GOING TO LOSE. I DON'T KNOW WHO WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED, I DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT IN THE PROPERTY AND TRESPASS, WE PICKED THEM UP AND MOVE THEM BACK AROUND THE PONDS SO THEY COULD FIND THEIR WAY BACK HOME.

THEY ARE OUT THERE.IF YOU DO NOT SEE THEM, YOU DO NOT STAY THERE LONG ENOUGH. YET HERE EGRETS, YOUR SAND CRANES THOSE THINGS, SOME OF THEM ARE NOT PROTECTED.

GOPHER TURTLES ARE AND IF WE LIVED OUT ON THE BEACH THEY WOULD NOT STAND A CHANCE BUT WE ARE INWARDLY.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO NUMBER TWO, NUMBER TWO IS THAT PROMOTES THE EFFICIENT AND COST-EFFECTIVE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES. 206 WAS A VERY ACCIDENT-PRONE AREA. WHY IS THAT? WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE GROWTH. MY OWN SUBDIVISION IS SPENT

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WE HAD 38 ACCIDENTS IN THAT 206 AREA THROUGH 2021.

WE HAD A 13% INCREASE THROUGH SEPTEMBER 2022.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN, BUT IT WAS MORE THAN 13%.

AFTER THESE NUMBERS UP THE WEBSITE FROM HERE IN THE COUNTY SO I'M TAKING THE CREDIT IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND.

NUMBER THREE - - AMENITIES FOR CONTACT DEVELOPMENT AND MIXED-USE ENTITIES, YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO DO ANY BIKING OR WALKING ONTO 06 BECAUSE THAT IS A DANGEROUS AREA.

IT IS BUSY ALL THE TIME. THERE IS NOT A TIME OF DAY, IS IT CONSTANTLY BUSY ALL DAY LONG? CERTAINLY NOT. WE CAN GO OUT THAT WAY IF YOU ARE ON YOUR WAY TO WORK AT 5:30 IN THE MORNING WHEN I USED TO BE, IT WASN'T VERY BUSY. IF YOU ARE A TEENAGE KID AT 11:00 AT NIGHT IS NOT VERY BUSY, BUT THE REST OF THE TIME IT IS BUSY. YOU HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH IN THAT AREA ALREADY. HE DIDN'T DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT BUT I WILL GET TO A MORE THAT AS I GO OUT NUMBER FOUR: PROMOTE THE CONSERVATION OF WATER AND ENERGY. THE APPLICANT STATED THAT THIS PROJECT MAY GENERALLY PROMOTE CONSERVATION OF WATER WATER AND ENERGY BUT YOU DID NOT GIVE A PLAN AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT IN THAT AREA. YOU ARE ACTUALLY TAKING AWAY OUR ABILITY TO HOLD ONTO THOSE WETLANDS.

YOU WILL CERTAINLY NOT CONSERVE ANY ENERGY OUT THERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. I WILL MOVE ON PAST IT, I'M SURE YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT. NUMBER FIVE IT SAYS PRESERVES OPEN SPACE AND NATURAL LANDS AND REVISE YOUR PUBLIC OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION NEEDS. THE APPLICANT ADMITTED THEY DON'T MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, I WANT TO ARGUE WITH THEM ON THEIR OWN PRESENTATION. NUMBER SIX, ON THAT ONE AS WELL THEY ALSO SAID THEY DON'T MEET IT, I WON'T ARGUE WITH HER PRESENTATION ON THAT EITHER. ONLY GET TO NUMBER SEVEN, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT ONE FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

THE APPLICANT ADMITS SEVERAL TIMES AND IN THEIR OWN WORDS THAT TOWNHOMES ARE AT LEAST 6.5 MILES AWAY FROM THAT AREA.

6.5 MILES AWAY IS A LONG WAYS THE WAY WE ARE TODAY IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. WE'LL HAVE A TOWNHOMES OUT THERE. WHETHER ITIS ROCK SPRINGS , WOODLAKE, WHETHER YOU GOING DOWN TO MOSES CREEK OR ANY OF THOSE AREAS AROUND, THERE ARE NO TOWNHOMES.

WE ARE A COMMUNITY OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WE DON'T HAVE TOWNHOMES. WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD EVER WANT TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD PUT 137 TOWNHOMES WITHIN A FEW FEET OF A HIGH SCHOOL WHERE YOU HAVE GOT 16-YEAR-OLD DRIVERS HITTING THE PAVEMENT TRYING TO GET SOMEWHERE, THEY ARE IN A HURRY.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING, BUT THEY ARE IN A HURRY TO GET THERE. ALL YOU WILL WIND UP DOING IS CAUSING MORE ACCIDENTS DOWN AT THE 206 AND ONE INTERCHANGE.

IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL YOU HAVE CLASSES WHERE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN KILLED YOU CONNECT ANOTHER 300 CARS AND A MINIMUM, THE STATE OF FLORIDA SAYS FOR EVERY HOME THAT ARE 2.3 CARS.

IF I GIVE YOU TWO CARDS FOR EVERY ONE OF THOSE, I HAVE GOT 260 CARS AND HAVE NOT INCLUDED ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL THEY SAID THEY WOULD BUILD WE DON'T HAVE THAT.JUMPING FROM ONE MOBILE HOME WHICH IS WHAT THAT IS CONCEIVED OF TODAY, SUPPORTING SIX IS RIDICULOUS. I AM NOT TRYING TO SAY TO YOU

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WITH THOSE THINGS AROUND US, WE DESERVE BETTER THAN THAT, WE REALLY DO.WE DESERVE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THERE CONSIDERING ALL THE THINGS THA THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO MEET .

IF THERE ARE EIGHT POINTS THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE MET AT LEAST FOUR OF. I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY, I AM NOT WELL-VERSED, I CAN GO OUT AND GET THE EDUCATION THAT ALL OF YOU BECAUSE OF GOD'S, WE WILL HAVE AN ATTORNEY WE CAN HIRE TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND DO IT ALL THE WAY YOU WANTED TO BE DONE.

WE ARE JUST REGULAR PEOPLE YOU ARE TALKING TO.

BUT BASED ON THE THINGS THAT WE DO NOW, THEY DON'T MEET ONE OF THEM WELL. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD EVER GIVE THEM THE FOUR. THE LAST THING ON HERE IT SAYS PROVIDE USES DENSITY AND USE OF URBAN FORM THAT WOULD REMEDIATE AN EXISTING OR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE VICINITY THAT CONSTITUTES SPRAWL, ORBIT PROVIDES FOR AN INNOVATIVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN SUCH AS TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT OR NEW TOWNS. IT IS NOT A NEW TOWN, SAINT AUGUSTINE IS A VERY OLD TOWN. WE HAVE A LOT OF VERY OLD CITIZENS HERE. SOME OF US HAVE BEEN HERE, MYSELF, I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 35 YEARS.

I HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE TAX PATIENT FOR A LONG TIME.

I UNDERSTAND THAT MANY ON PROPERTY - - I'LL HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH THEM DEVELOPING AND NEEDED TO MY NEIGHBORS.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO, BUT COULD YOU FIND SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE THEM SOME MONEY BUT NOT COST SO MUCH DISTRESS? SOMEBODY WOKE UP WITH A DREAM ONE DAY AND SAID WOW, THIS IS

GOING TO BE WONDERFUL. >> MA'AM, I NEED YOU TO WRAP IT

UP. >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE YOUR

TIME AND I AM FINISHED. >> THANK YOU.

WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO POFFICE IN THE BOTTLE?

>> I THINK IT WARRANTS ADDRESSING SOME OF THE ISSUES.

SO OFTEN WHEN YOU SEE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU ARE SEEING A LARGE SCALE COMPETENCY PLAN AMENDMENT. THIS IS A SMALL-SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SMALL SCALES ARE DIFFERENT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO TWO TRANSMITTAL HEARINGS FOR FINAL, THIS IS A SMALL SCALE. THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THAT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT SO MUCH OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT IS GENERATED TOWARDS TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONFIDENCE OF CLIENTS. IT GENERATES WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF ENORMOUS MAGNITUDE .

YOU WILL HAVE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT USES, BUT THE ONE THING YOU SEE IN THESE COMPETENCY PLANS, THERE IS NO FARMLAND. ONE OF THE THINGS, IS NOT LOOKING AT THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT, IS LOOKING AT THE OVERALL AREA. YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL AREA FOR THAT PART OF THE COUNTY.

I'LL THINK ANYONE WOULD SUBMIT THAT THIS PARCEL IS RIGHT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF FARMLAND, IT IS NOT EXPRESSED USE OR THE BEST LOCATION FOR IT. IT IS TOO SMALL TO BE FARMLANDS FURTHER TO THE LEFT. IT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTROL DEVELOPMENT FURTHER OUT TO THE WEST OF THE SITE TO WHICH THE COUNTY HAS CONTROL. WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY WITH THESE PROTECTIONS IN THERE.

THE .1 FOR EXAMPLE THAT MS. HALE RAISED, WE HAVE DONE OUR STUDIES AND OUR HOMEWORK. WE GOT THE EXPERT REPORTS IN THE RECORD. THAT WEAPONS OF ANY KIND OF

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TO THE SOUTH IS 206. IT'S ONLY BEEN AROUND FOR 10 YEARS, AND IT DID IMPACT WETLANDS.

WE KNOW THERE WILL BE WATER AND SEWER IN THE SITE, PUBLIC SERVICES), WE KNOW THAT THERE IS TRAFFIC CAPACITY IN THE ARE , PIECES OF HOUSING CHOICES. NEW LOOK AT WHERE THE SITE IS, IT IS NOT MAXIMIZING VALUE. IT'S NOT A THREE OR FOUR STORY - - SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. IN AN AREA WHERE YOU TYPICALLY PROMOTE YOUR PLANNING PERSPECTIVE LOOK AT FILTERING FROM MIXED-USE TO A LOWER LAND USE.

IN BETWEEN THE MIXED-USE THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED ON BOTH FLANKS OF THE PROPERTY, GOING TO THE NORTH SEEMED PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE. HE TALKED ABOUT PROMOTING THE CONSERVATION OF WATER AND ENERGY.

IT'S AN OVERALL AREA OF ISSUES, I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD ASSERT THIS IS A FARM AND IT WOULD BE PROPERLY USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES. PRESERVE OPEN SPACE AND PROVIDE FOR PUBLIC RECREATION. WE ADDRESS ALL THESE POINTS AND APPLICATION. WE DON'T DO IT IN WITH YOU THINK OF. OR JENNY CAN ACTUALLY BUILD A PUBLIC - - YOU HAVE PARK IMPACT FEES AS A PART OF EACH INDIVIDUAL UNIT . WE DO PROVIDE FOR IT IN THAT MANNER WHICH IS ALLOWED AND ACCEPTABLE.

IT IS NOT SOME VIOLATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IT CREATES A BALANCE OF LAND USE FOR NONRESIDENTIAL NEEDS.

IN OUR PROJECT OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, AND .8 IN THE SALES PRESENTATION, THERE WAS AN INTERESTING POINT, TO PROVIDE USES TO CONTROL, WE KNOW A GENTLEMAN PRESENTATION IN THE BEGINNING, WE ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA.

THAT IS WHERE YOU WANT DEVELOPMENT AND HOW YOU AVOID SPRAWL. IT IS CONTROL OF URBAN SPRAWL.

THE COUNTY SAYS THAT YOU CONTROL IT, THE COUNTY SHALL PROMOTE INFIELD ENABLEMENT AREAS.

JUST ADMIT THAT TO YOU. A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS, WE ARE SMALL-SCALE IF YOU WENT BY THE POINTS MS. HALE OUTLINED, YOU WOULD NEVER APPROVE A SMALL-SCALE COPY OF THE PLAN AGAIN. THE COUNTY COULD NEVER APPROVE A COPY OF THE PLAN AMENDMENT BECAUSE THEY CAN NEVER SATISFY THOSE MATERIALS IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THE PROJECT.

IT ACTUALLY STOPS NORTH OF WOODLAKE.

WILL THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE 5 MILE SERVICE AREA.

IT DOES GIVE YOU LOWER SO YOU'RE NOT THE WORST INSURANCE RATING, HE WAS OUT FIRE HYDRANTS AS A PART OF THAT.

OUR AMENITY CENTER, YOU CANNOT SEE IT THAT CLOSELY, BUT TO CONTEMPLATEHAVING A CLUBHOUSE AND THE POOL .

TRAFFIC AND ALL THOSE THINGS, WE HAVE SOME ENTITLEMENT TO THE PROJECT. OBVIOUSLY WITH COMPETENCY PLAN B CAN WILL BEGIN COMMERCIAL ON THE SOUTH, SURE WE TAKE A PUD AND BE COULD ADD COMMERCIAL ON 206.

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THERE ARE TRIPS ALREADY THIS PROJECT WILL GENERATE REGARDLESS OF AND APPROVAL OF THIS PUD.

WE SUBMIT THE RESPECTFULLY THAT THIS IS A MUCH BETTER USE TO THIS PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS SO WELL BUFFERED THE RESIDENCE TO THE NORTH. A REALLY BIG POINT IS SO OFTEN, WHEN FOLKS COME IN HERE, THE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT STORMWATER AS THE ONE JOHN POINTED OUT, HE SHOWED A VIDEO ABOUT STORMWATE . IF YOU WENT BACK 20 YEARS AGO THE NAVY. THE OFFICIAL OUR PREDEVELOPMENT POST DEVELOPMENT CALCULATIONS. THE ADDED THING IS THAT IN THIS AREA THE COUNTY IS ON STORMWATER MODELING.

FOR ROCK SPRINGS STATE REQUIRED STORMWATER MODELING TO BE DONE.

THE COUNTY IS A PRETTY GOOD IDEA ON STORMWATER IN THIS AREA. TO MAKE SURE THE PROPERTIES AROUND US, NOT JUST THE ONES TO THE NORTH, YOU HAVE TWO PROJECT TO THE SOUTH THAT I'M NOT SEEING MUCH IN THE WAY OF RETENTION POND FOR EXAMPLE. WE KNOW THE STORMWATER IS AN ISSUE WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THREE PONDS ON OUR SITES.WE ARE REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY AND WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR POST DEVELOPMENT DISCHARGE DOES NOT EXCEED OUR PREDEVELOPMENT DISCHARGE. WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE STORMWATER AS IT RELATES TO OUR PROJECT.

THERE'S A PRETTY BIG BUFFER BETWEEN US AND WOODLAKE TO THE NORTH NATURALLY BECAUSE OF THE WETLANDS ON THEIR PROPERTY.

WE DID NOT GO WITH A 10 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER TO THE NORTH, WE MADE IT THREE TIMES THESIZE .

I THINK IF I CAN GO BACK TO WHERE YOU SEE THE COMMERCIAL ZONING, WE GET OUR PROJECT BACK IN HERE.

YOU CAN SEE BETWEEN DUCK POND IN OUR PROJECT ARE SIGNIFICANT BUFFERING AND WE ALSO STILL GOT 30 FEET THERE ON THE LEFT.

IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JOHN'S A LITTLE FURTHER NORTH. I THINK IT WAS MR. MCMANUS'S HOUSE THAT HE ACQUIRED TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR THAT IS CLOSEST TO US ON THAT PART. HE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS 30 FEET OF SEPARATION ALONG. THAT SAID.

SO OFTENTIMES GIVE A CHALLENGE FOR THAT LINK IN THAT LINK - - BARTOLI SOUGHT AND WHY WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR YOU TODAY.

THIS IS ONE THAT WE BELIEVE STRONGLY IF IT'S REALLY WELL, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT HAS THE MOBILE HOME ZONING AND WE ARE TAKING AWAY THE ACCESS POINT TO U.S. 1.

WITH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> QUESTIONS? BEFORE ANYONE HERE ASK QUESTIONS, I HAVE A QUESTIONS OF STAFF, DO WE HAVE THE TYPICAL LOT WITH IN THE LAKE? DID YOU FIGURE THAT OUT FOR US PLEASE? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS?

JACK. >> IS NOT REALLY A QUESTION, I HAD JUST BEEN LISTENING TO THIS AS WE ALL HAVE.

I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE, I THINK INFILL DEVELOPMENTIS A GOOD THING . CLEARLY THE OWNER HAS A RIGHT - - AMENDED FUTURE LAND USE MAP. TO BUILD A NICE DEVELOPMENT WHETHER IT'S - - WE CONTINUOUSLY HEAR HEARD FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT DENSITY PROBLEMS AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO ADD ONTO THAT BY APPROVING THIS.

I THINK THE PROXIMITY BETWEEN THE HIGH SCHOOL, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE INTERSECTION IS OUR CONCERN, IT IS OBVIOUSLY A GROWING AREA AND I'LL THINK WE NEED TO CONTRIBUTE AND MAKE IT MORE DANCE. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS?

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RICHARD? >> IS NOT A QUESTION BUT I,, I AGREE WITH JACK. THE DENSITY BEING SOUGHT HERE IS STILL WAY TOO HIGH.IF THIS WAS RESIDENTIAL B I WILL NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I AM WORRIED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND FOR THE RESIDENCE KNOWLEDGE, THE NUMBER OF DAILY TRIPS PROJECTED TO COME FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ARE 962 DAILY TRIPS. HE WAS TALKING A COUPLE OF HUNDRED,300, IT IS FAR HIGHER, IT IS NOT HUNDRED 62 .

WITH HIGH SCHOOL DRIVERS ON 306, I KNOW THAT WAS MORE THAN 2000 THAT YOU CITED DOUG THAT YOU SHOWED BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THE TRAFFIC ON THE 206, IF IT IS NOT OVERCAPACITY, LOOKING AT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN NORTHERN FLAGLER COUNTY, I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THIS ON THE PHONE THIS MORNING.IF YOU DRIVE ON U.S.

1 INTO FLAGLER COUNTY SHORTLY AFTER CROSSING THE CREEK, THERE IS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING BETWEEN THERE AND - -. ALTHOUGH TRAFFIC, THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING TO SAN AUGUSTINE. I KNOW THAT IS OUT OF OUR PURVIEW, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.

IN SHORT ORDER, YOU NOTED U.S. 1 HAS MORE TRAFFIC.

THE TRAFFIC IS OUTSTANDING. I DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING COMPATIBLE WITH QUESTIONABLE FINANCIAL DIFFICULTY.

NOW WHAT ARE YOUR MEDICATIONS? WHERE WOULD THAT BE?

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. >> I BROUGHT THIS UP A FEW MONTHS AGO. I HEARD A RUMOR THAT THE COUNTY MAXED OUT ON - - AVAILABLE FOR CERTAIN PATIENTS.

IF THAT IS REAL OR TOTAL HEARSAY OR NONSENSE, BUT I HAVE

HEARD THAT. >> AL, QUICKLY? WETLAND MITIGATION FITS OR IS NOT REASONABLY DEVELOPER AND INDIVIDUALLYPERMITTED RATHER THAN BUYING FROM A BANK .

>> THANKYOU . >> ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A TECHNICAL STAFF, THAT MAKES IT EASIER AS WELL FOR SOME

DEVELOPERS. >> I APPRECIATE THAT, THANK

YOU. >> I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH JACK AND DOCTOR HILSENBECKREGARDING DENSITY .THIS IS A GOOD TRANSITION FOR EVERY SINGLE-FAMILY PROOF IT WILL BE MORE AFFORDABLE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE AND WOODLAKE.

YOU ARE JUST DENYING THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO AFFORD A HOUSE. THIS PROJECT IS NOT TOO DISSIMILAR OFF OF 207. THAT IS SOMETHING OUR - -

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>> HENRY? >> I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW-UP.

YOU ARE SITTING NEXT TO A RAILROAD TRACK AND AT NIGHTTIME A TRAIN IS NOT GOING SLOW. THE OTHER TWO SIDES BASICALLY PROMOTED BY MAJOR HIGHWAYS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR OPERATING HOURS ARE BUT I ASSUME IT'S A SEVEN-DAY WEEK

OPERATION. >> THE OTHER SIDE YOU BUMP UP AGAINST A SELF STORAGE UNIT WHICH IS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK IN THE 24 HOUR OPERATION. THE OTHER THING WE HEAR OF ALL THE TIME IS AFFORDABILITY, AFFORDABILITY, AFFORDABILITY.

ALTHOUGH THESE WON'T BE INEXPENSIVE BY ANY MEANS, IT IS FROM WHAT WE COULD HAVE. I CERTAINLY CAN'T SEE A LOT THAT IS UNDERNEATH THE TOWNHOM .

IT'S GOTTA BE AT LEAST 20 TO 25.

WE HAVE GOT THESE SPREAD OUT, THESE TYPE OF TOWNHOMES OFF OF DOBBS ROAD ON STATE ROAD 16. THAT IS NOT OUTSIDE, I UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENCE, NOBODY WANTS DEVELOPMENTS NEXT DOOR, BUT IF IT'S THE SAME THING CAN WILL BE GOOD TO SINGLE-FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY, COMMERCIAL.

THAT IS LESS THAN 300 FEET AWAY.

YOU HAVE GOT SOME NICE BUFFERS. I DON'T SEE WHY YOU WOULD HAV ANYONE COMING THROUGH THE WOODS TO GET TO THE PROPERTY.

I JUST DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.

SORRY, I ABOUT LOST MY VOICE BECAUSE I HAD A BAD VIRUS FOR ABOUT A WEEK. IS THAT BETTER THOUGH?

THANK YOU. >> RICHARD?

>> SINCE THE PRICE POINT CAME UP, YOU AND I DISCUSSED THIS EARLIER TODAY, WHAT IS THE PRICE POINT YOU ARE LOOKING AT

FOR THESE? >> WHILE YOU ARE AFFORDING THAT

COMMODITIES ARE NOT AFFORDABLE? >> YOU ARE CORRECT, WE DID NOT COME WITH WORKFORCE HOUSING ON THIS PROJECT WITH THE BONUS COMMITTEE COULD GET THIS THAT WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS MISSING A CRITICAL COMPONENT.IF YOU HAVE TWO EMPLOYED A SHARE'S THE PITY TEACHER THAT CAN GET IN BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY, - - I THINK THAT IS GREAT AND I LOVE THAT WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE COMING FROM THE NORTH YOU CAN AFFORD THESE NICE HOUSES, THE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO PUT HERE IS YOU WANT TEACHERS AND NURSES AND SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN ST. JOHN'S WHERE THEY WORK.

THAT IS WHERE WE ARE GOING. I WOULD EXPECT THIS TO BE AROUND THE 270 TO 300 MARK GIVEN WHERE COSTS ARE TODAY AND YOU GUYS ARE ALL WELL AWARE. CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE GONE U PRECIPITOUSLY . WE HAVE NOT SEEN THOSE COME DOWN YET. I WILL LET THE SEALS COME DOWN SO WE CAN HIT AN EVENMORE AFFORDABLE MARK .

THAT IS THE TOP END OF WHERE THE AFFORDABILITY CAN PLAY IN.

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US TO FALL? >> YOU SAID 270? THAT'S ONLY 10,000 MORE THAT WILL BE ADOPTED WORKFORCE

HOUSING AT 260. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? THE STAFF HAVE AN ANSWER TO THE

QUESTION? >> ROCK SPRINGS FARMERS 7785 FT.B2 NET MOVEMENT IN BRITAIN OKAY, WE'RE BACK INTO THE

AGENCY FOR A MOTION ON ITEM 5. >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MEGAN, HENRY? SECOND BY HENRY, I WILL MAKE SOME COMMENTS TO EXAM STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE.

FIRST OFF, - - IS A BUNCH. I'M NOT QUITE SURE THE ECONOMICS WORK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION RICHARD, WE ARE STRUGGLING FIND CREDITS WHICH WILL HAVE A BEARING ON MY BOAT.

I CAN ALSO SAY THAT A CREDIT IS HUNDRED $50,000.

MULTIPLIED, CREDIT IS ROUGHLY AN ACRE OF IMPACT.

THAT'S $840,000 SPENT FOR MITIGATION WHICH IS INTERESTING. OR, THEY COULD FIND A SITE OF 180 ACRES BECAUSE YOU NEED 50 ACRES, YOU NEED 50 ACRES OF WETLANDS TO PRESERVE. I AM REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS ACCESS ON 206 FOR TWO REASONS.

NUMBER ONE, THAT WETLAND IN THE PHOTO WE ARE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN APPEAR DOES NOT LOOK QUITE THE SAME - - VERY WET.

IT SHOULD NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT NATURAL RESOURCE, ALL DEVELOPMENT HAS SOME ADVERSE IMPACT BUT THIS IS A BIG ONE.

I'LL HAVE PROBLEM WITH THE TRANSITION AND I WILL TELL THE FULL TO THE AUDIENCE THAT I DOUBT THERE ARE ANY GOPHER TORTOISES ON THIS SITE, THEY DIG TUNNELS THAT ARE 20 FEET TO THE GROUND AND THEY DON'T SWIM. YOU ARE PROBABLY FINDING URTLES THAT ARE NOT GOP TORTOISES.

I DON'T SEE THIS IS INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

IT IS TOO FAR OUT. I AM STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE.

I HAVE NOT DECIDED YET HOW I AM GOING TO VOTE.

HENRY? >> I HAVE NOT TALKED MUCH BECAUSE MY VOICE, THEY HAVE TURTLES, NO THINK THEY DON'T.

GETTING ACCESS TO 206 WILL NOT BE EASY.

THE WETLANDS WILL NOT BE AN EASY CHALLENGE AND UTILITIES WILL BE AN EASY CHALLENGE. THEY ARE TALKING 18 MONTHS, GOOD LUCK. THIS IS YEARS TO GET THROUGH THE HOLE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

I THINK THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THE APPROVAL TO TRY AND GET THERE. I JUST THINK THERE ARE TOO MANY

HURDLES. >> I JUST WANT TO AGREE WITH

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I DID SEE THAT WAS SHORT-CIRCUITING THE PROPERTY YESTERDAY JUST BY CHANCE BUT NONETHELESS, I THINK THERE ARE TOO MANY ISSUES WITH THIS. THE SINGLE POINT OF INGRESS AND EGRESS ON 206 WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO TAKE A LEFT TURN, THAT IS SPECULATION ON MY PART.

THAT IS CONCERNING, THANK YOU. >> I WAS GOING TO CALL YOU BACK TO THE MICROPHONE THAT YOU READ MY MIND, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING

TO ASK US? >> THE THING I WOULD POINT OUT, HE TALKED ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE WETLANDS, ONE OF THOSE BIG WETLANDS, THE MIDDLE ONE ALREADY HAS A RETENTION POND IN IT. THE BIGGEST PART OF THE WETLANDS ON THE NORTH, A GOOD PART IF THAT IS IN OUR BUFFER AREA. IT'S IN THAT SOUTHWARD RECTANGLE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DRAWING.

THE REALITY IS WE HAVE 25,000 SLATED ON THERE.

WE CAN GET THAT TO 12.5 WHICH CAN CUT BACK ON THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THIS PROJECT AND CUT THE COMMERCIAL AND HALF. YOUR TRAFFIC NUMBERS INCLUDE THE COMMERCIAL. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS.

>> I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU GUYS ALL WANT TO REGROUP OR NOT WAS

MY QUESTION. >> I GUESS I WOULD ASK YOU FOR DIRECTION ON THE REGROUP FOR YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHERE TO GO

FROM HERE. >> WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR, SO IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT TO BE WITHDRAWN AND I CAN DO THAT. I THINK, THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION, I THINK LOOKING AT PERHAPS THE MAIN AXIS BEING OUT TO U.S. 1 AND PERHAPS FIGURING OUT A WAY TO REDUCE YOUR WETLAND IMPACTS WOULD MAKE ME FEEL BETTER ABOUT MEETING THE CRITERIA FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

>> IF YOU WANT A STRAW WATER PEOPLE WILL WANT ABOUT, WE CAN

DO THAT TOO I WOULD ASSUME. >> IF YOU WOULD JUST INDULGE ME FOR A COUPLE MORE MINUTES TO GET THROUGH THIS PIECE I UNDERSTAND, YOU ARE THE MAIN AXIS TO BE ON U.S. 1 INSTEAD OF 206? I COULD BE WRONG BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD WANT.

I DO THINK THAT IS WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROJECT TO BE HONEST. IT ALSO CAUSES IF YOU GO BY THE ASSUMPTION THAT MOST OF US DO, OTHER THAN PEOPLE GOING TO PETER MENENDEZ HAS TOLD SHOWER AND COME BACK TO THE PROJECT, STRAIGHT THE OTHER ONES GO DOWN U.S. 1 AND YOU TURN AT 206.

THE LEFT YOU TURN RAIN IS GOING TO GET MORE USE WHEREAS THE TURNING MOTION YOU WILL HAVE ON 206 DOES NOT INVOLVE A U-TURN.

ANY DIRECTION, YOU MAKE A LEFT AND A RIGHT TO THE PROJECT, IT'S BETTER AXIS AND KEEPS OUR TRAFFIC AWAY FROM WOODLAKE.I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD PREFER THE ACCESS THERE.

I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT ISSUE AND WHAT IS THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE CAN RESOLVE OR SATISFYING YOUR MIND?

>> I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

I MENTION THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN WOODLAKE MIGHT NOT WANT THAT

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MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT, MAYBE I AM RIGHT, MAYBE NEITHER ONE OF US ARE RIGHT. I ALSO PICKED WHAT ACTUALLY/IS

A LOT RICHARD? >> YOU CAN GO FIRST AND I WILL

ASK. >> COULD YOU PLEASE PUT UP THE SOIL MAP YOU HAVE IN YOUR PRESENTATION? YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR PRESENTATION.

SOIL TYPE XXXVI IS THE RIVIERA SOILTYPE .

IT NOT ONLY ENCOMPASSES THAT CIRCULAR WETLAND AND THE GRAY YOU SEE THERE, THAT IS TYPICALLY A SIGNATURE ON THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF SITE HISTORIES.

NOT ONLY THAT VARY WET OBVIOUSLY BUT THE REST OF THAT IS A STATE OF THE APPLICATION FROM YOUR OWN CONSULTANTS THAT IS AN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE SURFACE FLOWS ON WATER.

ALL THROUGH 36. HIS SUBSTANTIAL AREA OF THE PROPERTY AND I DO AGREE THAT YOU ARE GREATER THAN 5 ACRES OF WETLAND IMPACTS ON THE 23 ACRE SITE IS HIGH.

IT'S TOO HIGH FOR ME TO AGREE TO.

>> OKAY, YOU WANT US TO VOTE? >> THE ONLY THING I WOULD OFFER BECAUSE THE RESOLUTION BECAUSE DIFFERENT STRESS CONCERN ABOUT THE PROJECT, I THINK ON THE WETLAND ISSUE, THE MAIN WETLAND IS, IF YOUR COMMENT IS TO IS BASICALLY LOSING THE COMMERCIAL FROMWHAT I SAY . IF THAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION, WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKEIT IS A CONSIDERATION .

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND ON THE DOCKET HERE.

THE MOTIONS FOR APPROVAL, RIGHT? LET'S GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE BOAT.

THAT MOTION FAILS. THREE ÃTHREE.

IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION? >> WITHOUT A SECOND MOTION, THAT CONSTITUTES A TECHNICAL DENIAL UNDER THE PCA POLICY BECAUSE IT DID NOT RECEIVE A MAJORITY VOTE.

>> DO WE HAVE, DO EVIL ON ITEM 6? SINCE WE TECHNICALLY DENIED A CONFERENCE OF LAND USE PLAN.

>> YES, FOR THE RECORD IT WOULD BEAPPROPRIATE TO VOTE ON SIX AS

WELL . >> MEGAN?

>> SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE] >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MEGA

. >> SECOND.

>> SECOND BY HENRY KEMENY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE BOAT. THAT IS ALSO A THREE ÃTHREE TIE IN THE BOAT IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION?

OKAY, TECHNICAL DENIAL.>> MR. MATOVINA, ANY CHANCE YOU WOULD

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SEAT. >> TOO MUCH TO DEAL WITH AT THE MOMENT, TOO MANY UNCERTAINTIES.

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