Feb 07, 2023 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order by Chair ]

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>>> GOOD MORNING. WELCOME TO THE MEETING.

ST. JOHN'S COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

YOU CAN CLICK ON THE AGENDA TO ACCESS THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS.

THE PUBLIC CAN COMMENT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.

SHOULD THE PRESENTER HAVE ANY EXHIBITS OR PHOTOGRAPHS PLEASE PROVIDE THEM TO THE CLERK OF THE COURT.

WOULD THE CLERK TAKE THE ROLL? >> CHAIR COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN

WHITEHURST? >> PRESENT.

>> VICE CHAIR SARA ARNOLD? >> PRESENT.

>> COMMISSIONER HENRY DEAN? >> PRESENT.

>> COMMISSIONER ROY UH LAME MOW? >> PRESENT.

>> AND COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> PRESENT.

>> AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE OUR INVOCATION PASTOR WILL WOLD. IF EVERYBODY WILL JOIN ME IN

STANDING. >> LORD WE COME TOGETHER BECAUSE WE CARE FOR OUR COUNTY AND THE WAY WE INTERACT WITH INDIVIDUALS HERE AND WITHIN OUR COUNTY AND THE INDIVIDUALS TODAY, GOD, GRANT US WISDOM, MIGHT YOU GRANT US YOUR SPIRIT.

AND HELP US CARE FOR OUR COMMUNITY HERE AND OUTSIDE YOUR WALT -- WALLS. WE PRAY ALL THIS IN YOUR HOLY

NAME. >> AMEN.

THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE A MAN WHO SKOPBTS TO -- WHO CONTINUES TO SERVE OUR COUNTRY AND HAS SERVED OUR VETERAN.

PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. PLEASE JOIN ME IN A PLEDGE TO OUR FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE RE-- REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

[Proclamation Recognizing February as Black History Month ]

>> ALL RIGHT. TODAY HAVE THE PLEASURE OF PRESENTING THE PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING FEBRUARY AS BLACK HISTORY MONTH. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD WILL DO THE HONOR FOR THIS BOARD. THANK YOU, MR. ARNOLD.

>> A PROCLAMATION FOR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

WHEREAS DATING BACK TO 1926, BLACK HISTORY MONTH WAS ESTABLISHED ON THE PRINCIPALS OF DR. CARTER G WOODSON WHO FOUNDED THE ASSOCIATION OF THE STUDY OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN LIFE AND HISTORY AND WHEREAS DURING THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY WE CELEBRATE THE VAST, RICH AND SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS TO THE UNITED STATES AND OUR CULTURAL IDENTITY , AND WHEREAS THE THEME FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH IN 2023 IS BLACK RESISTANCE WHICH EXPLORES HOW AFRICAN-AMERICANS HAVE RESISTED HISTORIC AND ONGOING OPPRESSION IN ALL FORMS. AND WHEREAS AFRICAN HISTORY IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA SPANS MORE THAN 450 YEARS AND ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS HOME TO FORT MOSAY THAT WAS ESTABLISHED A THE FIRST FREE AFRICAN-AMERICAN SETTLEMENT IN THE PRESENT BOUNDARIES OF THE UNITED STATES.

HENCE, WHEREAS, THE HISTORIES OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS, ST. AUGUSTINE AND SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY ARE FOREVER INTERSECTED THROUGH SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL EVENTS THAT HELPED SHAPE THE NATION.

ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS DEDICATED TO HONORING THE HISTORY, CULTURE AND CONTRIBUTION AFRICAN-AMERICANS BROUGHT AND CONTINUE TO BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY.

NOW THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, FLORIDA, FEBRUARY OF 2023 BE DESIGNATED AS BLACK HISTORY MONTH PASSED THIS 7TH DAY OF FEBRUARY,

2023. >> THANK YOU.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TALK ABOUT THE RICH HISTORY AND CULTURE OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND ST. AUGUSTINE WITHOUT DISCUSSING THE CONTRIBUTION THAT THE BLACK COMMUNITY HAS MADE.

WHETHER IT IS LINCOLNVILLE OR THE COMMUNITY OF WEST AUGUSTINE, IT IS INVALUABLE TO RECOGNIZE THIS AS PART OF OUR HISTORY.

I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MILLION GAIL PHILIPS AND MR. ROBERT NI MMINS: WOULD Y'ALL PLEASE COME AND JOIN ME

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>> ON BEHALF OF THE WEST AUGUSTINE COMMUNITY, IT IS SUCH AN HONOR TO STAND BEFORE THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AND COMMUNITY TO RECEIVE HISTORY.

A PROCLAMATION IS A REMEMBRANCE OF HISTORY AND WHAT IT IS TO BE AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN DESCENDANT. A HISTORY THAT BRINGS PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE. HISTORY THAT MUST REMAIN STRONG, VIBRANT AND RESPONSIBLE, A HISTORY THAT SHALL REMAIN IN HISTORY WHERE TRUTH REALLY MATTERS.

BLACK HISTORY MUST BE TAUGHT AND CONTINUE TO BE A PART OF WHO WE ARE IN ALL CURRICULUMS THROUGHOUT FLORIDA.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN CULTURE SOCIETY, THE FORT MOSAY KUL FEW RAL SOCIETY TO TELL THE BLACK HISTORY STORY IN LINCOLNVILLE AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR THE PROCLAMATION.

>> THANK YOU. IT IS AN HONOR TO RECEIVE RECOGNITION FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH.

ON BEHALF OF THE LINCOLNVILLE MUSEUM AND CULTURAL CENTER WHERE WE PORTRAY THIS HISTORY AND TELL THE STORIES 12 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO COME AND SEE THE 450 PLUS HISTORY OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN AMERICA, THE STORY THAT WE TELL EVERY DAY. THEY ARE IMPORTANT TO OUR HISTORY. THEY ARE IMPORTANT TO OUR CULTURE. THEY ARE IMPORTANT TO OUR FUTURE. THEY ARE IMPORTANT TO OUR CHILDREN AND OUR SENIORS. I JUST THANK YOU ALL, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, FOR RECOGNIZING THIS AS AN IMPORTANT POINT IN OUR HISTORY AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO NOT JUST LIFT IT UP DURING BLACK HISTORY MONTH, BUT EVERY MONTH. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST YEAR IS TO INVOLVE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THROUGH THE RESILIENCE PROJECT WHICH GOES INTO THEIR ARCHIVES AND SHARES THE HISTORY OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS THROUGHOUT THE 450 PLUS YEARS OF AMERICAN HISTORY HERE IN SAINT ST. AUGUSTINE.

WE HAVE THE OLDEST HISTORY IN AMERICA OF A CONTINUOUSLY OCCUPIED EUROPEAN CITY. AND SINCE THE BEGINNING THAT EUROPEAN -- PEOPLE OF AFRICAN DS IMPORTANT.

>> THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO AND TELLING YOUR STORY.

PLEASE CONTINUE TO TELL IT. IT IS MY HONOR ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO PRESENT YOU WITH THIS PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING FEBRUARY AS BLACK HISTORY MONTH.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN? >> DO YOU HAVE A MOTION?

>> I WILL MOVE TO ACCEPT AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A

COMMENT. >> YES, SIR.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I -- SECOND.

>> VERY BRIEFLY, BUT I WANT TO PUT IN A PLUG OR A COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT IS VERY MUCH PART OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WITH BLACK HISTORY MONTH AND THAT IS WE HAVE AN OUTSTANDING LINEUP AT THE START OF THE WEEK, THURSDAY OR FRIDAY OF THE RESIDENT BLUES AND JAZZ FESTIVAL.

IT IS JUST -- WE HAVE SOME OF THE MOST OUTSTANDING PERFORMERS IN THE COUNTRY THAT ARE COMING THIS YEAR.

AND IT IS FABULOUS. IT RUNS FOR FOUR OR FIVE DAYS.

I ENCOURAGE ANYONE LISTENING OR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE IF YOU WANT TO GO TO A COOL CONCERT, IT IS COMING UP THIS WEEKEND.

>> I HAVE SEEN THE LINEUP. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP.

>> IT'S STRONG. >> ANYBODY WHO LIKES BLUES, GET

[Public Safety Update ]

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE MOVING INTO THE PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE.

GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME. >> GOOD MORNING.

LIEUTENANT GEORGE HARRIGAN. PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER WITH THE SHERIFF. I WANT TO SHARE STATISTICS FROM THE 2022 YEAR IN REVIEW. IN 2022, SJSO HANDLED 290,284

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518 GRAMS OF FENTANYL AND 147 GRAMS OF HEROIN.

WE RESPONDED TO 4,941 TRAFFIC CRASHES AND WE SUBMITTED 12,861 OFFENSE REPORTS. AND I WANT TO CLOSE WITH A QUICK REMINDER TO EVERYONE THAT TODAY IS WHAT IS CONSIDERED SAFER INTERNET DAY. WE AT SJSO ENCOURAGE OUR CITIZENS TO PLEASE TALK TO YOUR KIDS ABOUT INTERNET SAFETY AND MONITOR THEIR ONLINE ACTIVITIES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TODAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. I KNOW ALL THESE ILLICIT DRUGS ARE IMPORTANT TO GET OFF THE STREETS.

HAVE WE SEEN AN UP TAKE IN TPEP? >> I THINK FENTANYL IS THE STRONGEST UP TICK IN THE COUNTY. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE

NARCOTICS UNIT, BUT I THINK SO. >> I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING AS A REGION WITH DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS.

I UH -- APPRECIATE YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING.

SKOL BU -- SCOTT BULLARD. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME TRAINING WE DID. WE COMPLETED LAST MONTH.

THIS IS A FIRE SIMULATOR THAT WE ACQUIRED.

WHAT IT DOES IS IT IS A FIRE BEHAVIOR AND ALLOWS US TO MONITOR THE GROWTH OF FIRE AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT AND WHAT THE DANGEROUS SITUATIONS ARE SO WE KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND WE CAN GET TO A SAFER LOCATION. THIS IS A TWO-TIER AND YOU CAN SEE THAT REPRESENTS THE FLOOR LEVEL AND THIS IS A ROOM AND CONTENTS FIRE HERE. THE WALLS ARE WOODEN, HAS A WOODEN CEILING. WHAT FLASH OVER IS THE POINT IN TIME WHEN ALL OF THE CONTENTS OF THE ROOM IGNITE SPONTANEOUSLY, ALL AT THE SAME TIME. THAT OCCURS AT 1200 DEGREES.

EVEN IN OUR PROTECTIVE GEAR THAT ALLOWS SIX OR SEVEN SECONDS MAXIMUM PROTECTION. SO THIS ALLOWS US TO SIT DOWN AT THE LOWER LEVEL AS YOU CAN SEE THE TWO IN-- INSTRUCTORS SITTING HERE. IT IS ONLY 400 DEGREES WHERE THEY ARE AT WE'RE USED TO THAT. THIS IS A DIFFERENT ANGLE OF THE SAME FIRE. YOU CAN SEE THE STUDENTS SITTING IN THE BACKGROUND HERE. YOU CAN'T SEE THE INSTRUCTORS BECAUSE THE SMOKE IS DOWN, BUT IT IS THE SAME THING.

WE WATCH AS THE FIRE PROGRESSES. WE SEE IT AS IT IGNITES.

WE SEE THIS HAPPENING AND WE ARE INSIDE OF A BUILDING WE KNOW WE NEED TO GET OUT. WE ALSO SEE THE CAMERA RIGHT HERE AND THAT IS A THERMAL IMAGING CAMERA.

WE HAVE THIS WE CAN TAKE WITH US AND YOU CAN REGISTER THE TEMPERATURES SO WE CAN ACTUALLY -- THAT'S ANOTHER TOOL FOR US. IT IS NOT JUST LEARNING THE FIRE BEHAVIOR. WE CAN ACTUALLY USE THESE TOOLS TO OUR ADVANTAGE AND SEE WHAT THE TEMPERATURE IS.

IT IS AN INVALUABLE TOOL. I WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE TO HAVE OUR ADMINISTRATORS COME AND OBSERVE THIS. WE'LL PUT YOU IN THERE AND YOU CAN SEE THE SAME -- WE WON'T PUT YOU IN THERE.

YOU CAN SEE THE SAME STUFF FROM THE OUTSIDE.

IT IS A GREAT LEARNING OPPORTUNITY.

I WANT TO CLOSE WITH RECOGNIZE WITH OUR RAPID INTERVENTION TEAM. THEY COMPETED IN THE DAYTONA FIRE CONFERENCE A FEW WEEKS AGO. THIS IS WHERE OUR DEPARTMENT SENDS TEAMS AND THIS CREW MADE IT TO THE FINAL ROUND ON FRIDAY.

CONGRATULATIONS OUT TO THEM AND RECOGNITION FOR THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE --

[Clerk of Court's Report]

>> ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. AND NOW FOR THE COURT CLERK'S

REPORT. >> THANK YOU.

AS YOU KNOW THE CLERK'S OFFICE HAS ROUGHLY A THOUSAND DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH LIFE AND DEATH SERIOUS SITUATIONS ACROSS THE BOARD.

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IT IS LIMITED TO 50 COUPLES. IT IS AT 1 P.M.

WE ARE THE ONLY CLERK'S OFFICE THAT STILL CONDUCTS WEDDING CEREMONIES. WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND THE SPIRIT OF LOVE WITH VALENTINE'S DAY AND I AM GLAD TO UH HOUPBS -- ANNOUNCE HUNTER CONRAD WILL BE OFFICIATE -- OFFICIATING.

JUST KIDDING. WE WANT TO SPREAD THE WORD AND ARE HAPPY TO OFFER THAT SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENCE.

CHAIRMAN, THAT'S MY REPORT. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR CLERK OF THE COURT?

[Deletions to Consent Agenda]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE ARE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

COMMISSIONER ALLAY -- ALAIMO? >> I BELIEVE ITEM NUMBER 2 IS

THAT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT? >> NUMBER TWO IS A PLAT THAT THE APPLICANT IS STILL TRYING TO COMPLETE THE PREREQ -- PREREQUISITES SO WE ASK IT BE PULLED AND COME BACK AT A FUTURE

MEETING. >> SO LEGAL YOU ARE PULLING NUMBER 2. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> NO. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> NO. >> I HAVE NONE.

COMMISSIONER A -- ARNOLD? >> NONE.

>> YES. I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM 8 FOR DISCUSSION SINCE COMMISSIONER ALAIMO WAS NOT HERE FOR THE DISCUSSION. BASICALLY IT IS NOT REALLY FOR ANY REASON EXCEPT THAT AFTER THE MONEY COMING IN FOR FOUR MILE TROED AND FOUR MILE ROAD WILL HAVE A LONGTIME TO BE MADE LARGER AND IT IS AT 151% AND SIX TEAMS OF 128%.

I THOUGHT A QUICK DISCUSSION ON HOW THAT WORKS WOULD BE GREAT.

>> OKAY. SO COMMISSIONER JOSEPH IS PULLING CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 8. WE WILL ADD THAT TO THE END OF OUR AGENDA AS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.

IS THAT CORRECT? ARE THERE ANY OTHER ADDITIONS OR

DE LESIONS? >> JUST TO CALL FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT BEFORE A MOTION. >> MADAM CHAIR?

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHOULD HAVE MODELS OF DECORUM.

THERE MAY NOT BE A DEMAND FOR A RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD.

NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS WITH PERTINENT OR SHRAPB -- SHRAPB TKRUS REMARKS AND PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE SHOULD HAVE DISRUPTION OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF COMMENTS.

AND FINALLY I ASK ANY SPEAKERS WITH OVERHEAD MATERIAL TO PRESENT IT TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF COURT TO BEEN HERRED INTO -- TO BE ENTERED INTO THE COURT OF PUBLIC RECORD.

>> BEFORE I START MY COMMENTS I GUESS I WOULD DIRECT THE QUESTION TO THE CHAIR. SHOULD I SPEAK NOW ON DE LESIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA OR IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE PLACED ITEM

8 ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. >> I WOULD SAY IF YOUR COMMENTS ARE TOWARD CONSENT ITEM 8, IT HAS BEEN MOVED TO ITEM 5.

IF IT IS ABOUT THAT ITEM I WOULD ASK YOU SAVE IT.

>> SO APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL NOT INCLUDE ITEM 8

AT THIS TIME? >> CORRECT.

WE HAD THE COMMISSIONER PULL THAT.

YES, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING.

CHRISTIE RICHLAND, 961 FRANK LANE.

I AM HERE TODAY IN MY CAPACITY AS A PROPERTY MANAGER AND RECORDS CUSTODIAN FOR MARSH LANDING HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

I WORK WITH MARSH LANDING MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

I AM HERE TO REPORT THAT SINCE 2018 WHEN JIM HENSLEY INITIALLY FILED A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE ASSOCIATION ON THE STORM WATER SYSTEM FOR THE UNITS, THE ASSOCIATION, THE COMMISSIONERS,

THE DISTRICT -- >> MA'AM, THIS IS ABOUT NUMBER 8 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. THIS IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> I'M SORRY. DISREGARD ALL OF MY --

>> OF COURSE. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY PUBLIC

COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> GOOD MORNING.

>> I JUST WANTED TO CONGRATULATE YOU ALL AND THE STAFF FOR CONSENT THAT SEEKS AUTHORIZATION TO APPLY FOR A FLORIDA INLAND

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THE ADJOINING PROPERTY HAVE SIGNIFICANT AFRICAN-AMERICAN CIVIL RIGHTS CULTURAL HERITAGE. DR. HAYLEY WAS NEARLY LYNCHED THERE WITH THREE OTHERS AND NEARLY MURDERED JUST ADJOINING THAT PROPERTY IN 1964. IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THE CIVIL RIGHTS HISTORY AND I APPRECIATE THE PROPERTY AND THE

APPLICATION. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING. AUGUSTINE.

BJ CLAVE. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO NUMBER 31. I DON'T EXPECT AN ANSWER, BUT I WILL GET AN ANSWER, AND I THINK TAXPAYERS NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS TO FOLLOW-UP WITH IT. MY QUESTION IS HOW MUCH TAX DOLLARS FROM THE GENERAL FUND PURCHASED THE $17.5 MILLION LAND ACQUISITION. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH OF OUR GENERAL FUND WENT TO PAY FOR THAT $17.5 MILLION LAND

ACQUISITION. >> I BELIEVE IT WAS 108 MILLION.

>> I WAS GETTING READY TO GET TOGETHER AND GET THE ANSWER.

>> I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 8 MILLION OUT OF THE GENERAL

FUND. >> WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY FROM OMB GET YOU THAT ANSWER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

>> FOR THE PUBLIC IT WAS A 17 MILLION ACQUISITION.

SO LESS THAN HALF WAS MONEY COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS. I LIVE AT 100 WET STONE IN ST.

AUGUSTINE AND I AM WITH THE COUNCIL FOR NUMBER 8 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT ITEM AND WHY IT HAS BEEN PULLED WHEN WE HAVE THE AGENDA ITEM DISCUSSION WHEREVER IT IS FALLING ON YOUR AGENDA.

>> ARE YOU ASKING FOR AN AMOUNT OF TIME TO SPEAK DURING THE

AGENDA ITEM? >> YES, SIR.

WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT, THE FERBER COMPANY WHICH IS THE APPLICANT FOR THE CONCURRENCY AND PROPORTION SHARE AGREEMENT OR THE CREDIT AGREEMENT. I DRAFTED THE DOCUMENT AND I THINK IT IS FAIR THAT YOU HEAR FROM US ON BEHALF OF THE

PROPERTY OWNER. >> WHAT WOULD YOU ADVISE? I UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE IS ASKING AND WHY.

>> SO PENDING THE MOTION THAT'S COMING, THAT'S REGULAR AGENDA NUMBER 5, IT IS THE BOARD'S DISCRETION.

IT IS ALWAYS -- I RECOMMEND YOU ALLOW IT AT THAT TIME, BUT IT IS THE BOARD'S DISCRETION. SHE WOULD CERTAINLY BE ALLOWED PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO GET AS MUCH FACTS AS NECESSARY. IT IS YOUR CALLS, CHAIR.

>> I'M SURE WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF TIME

TO REPRESENT YOUR CLIENT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> MY PLEASURE. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR AGAIN IF I MIGHT, I WAS NOT EXPECTING -- [INAUDIBLE].

>> JOE MACNANERNY. I WAS NOT EXPECTING TO GET UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM 8. WE ARE TRULY PUSHING THAT TO A

REGULAR AGENDA ITEM. >> ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?

[Approval of Consent Agenda ]

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> MOTION TO MOVE AS AMENDED?

>> I. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY I.

>> I. >> ANY OPPOSED?

>> THAT PASSES 5-0. >> DO WE HAVE AN APPROVAL -- WE NEED TO APPROVE THE REGULAR AGENDA AS AMENDED?

>> FIRST IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ADDITIONS OR DE LESIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA AND THEN IF NONE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REGULAR AGENDA WITH NEW ITEM 5.

>> ANY ADDITIONS OR DE -- DE LESIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA?

[Approval of Regular Agenda]

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>> NO. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> NO. >> MR. DEAN?

>> NO. MR. UH LAME -- ALAIMO?

>> MOTION. >> DISCUSSION?

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY I? >> I.

>> ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE'LL MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> NO.

>> MR. ARNOLD? >> I HAVE NONE.

[1. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2022-11 SJSO Fleet Maintenance. ]

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO? >> NONE.

>> NOW WE ARE READY FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1.

>> WE ARE REQUESTING A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE ST. JOHN'S SHERIFF'S OFFICE TRAINING FACILITY PUD.

AND A 1.9 ADDITION. THE TRAINING PUD IS WEST OF I-95 AND ONE MILE SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 208.

THERE IS 68-ACRES AND PARTIALLY BUILT.

THERE ARE COUNTY FACILITIES TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE INCLUDING THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICE AND MOSQUITO CONE -- CONTROL AND AGRICULTURE CENTER AND TO THE NORTH THERE IS A PRIVATE SHOOTING RANGE AS WELL. TO THE WEST THERE ARE WET LANDS AND TIMBER LAND TO THE WEST AND SOUTH AND OF COURSE TO THE EAST AS WELL. WE ARE ASKING TO REZONE THE 1.9-ACRE PARCEL FROM OPEN RURAL TO TUD AND ADD -- PU DIS, AND ADD IT TO THE EXISTING PUD. THE ORIGINAL PUD WAS ADOPTED IN 2015. IT WAS ORIGINALLY A 65-ACRE SITE AND BY FOR INDICATED BY -- BIFORCATED BY AN EASE MEANT.

THERE WAS 50-ACRES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE AND -- 15-ACRES ON THE EASTSIDE.

IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE THE AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE RUNNING THROUGH THE PUD, THE COUNTY ACQUIRED ADDITIONAL PROPERTY AND A MODIFICATION WAS APPROVED IN 2020.

LAW ENFORCEMENT WAY GAVE ACCESS TO THE TRAINING FACILITY AND AN EASE MEANT TO THE SOUTH WAS MOVED TO THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE COUNTY PROPERTIES. THE MODIFICATION WE ARE REQUESTING WILL BELOW INDICATED IN THAT NORTHEAST CORNER -- I'M SORRY. THIS MODIFICATION INCLUDED A ONE-ACRE TO THE SOUTH THAT WAS ACQUIRED BY THE COUNTY AND DEDICATED AS PRESERVATION AREA. YOU CAN SEE TO THE TOP RIGHT CORNER AND THIS WAS ACQUIRED AFTER THE PREVIOUS MODIFICATION WAS APPROVED IN 2020. THE 1.9-ACRES ALLOWS FOR THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING, THE ROADWAY AND STORM WATER RETENTION POND. THE EASE MEANT BETWEEN THE PUD AND I-95 ACCESS TO THE SOUTH STILL EXISTS AND NO SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE EXISTING PUD TEXT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A CHANGE OF THE ACREAGE AS WELL AS AN UPDATE TO THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION TEXT. YOU CAN SEE HERE IS A CLOSE UP OF THE PUD. IT IS PRIMARILY GOING TO BE THE RETENTION AS WELL AS A LITTLE BIT OF THE TRAINING FACILITY.

JUST TO KIND OF SEE -- SO YOU CAN GET AN EXAMPLE OF THE STATUS OF THE ENTIRE PUD. THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE TACTILE TRAINING FACILITY THAT IS EXPECTED TO GO OUT IN MARCH.

THIS IS GOING TO BE LOCATED TOWARD THE CENTER OF THE SITE.

IT IS NOT GOING TO BE RELATED TO MODIFICATION.

WE WANTED TO SEE WHERE THE NEXT BUILDING ON THE SITE IS GOING TO BE. WITH THAT WE ASK YOU TO APPROVE THIS MODIFICATION. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE UNDERLING MIXED USE DESTINATION. IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND OTHER FACILITIES AND THE SHOOTING RANGE. THE FACILITY IS A BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE PZA UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT THEIR JANUARY MEETING.

WITH THAT I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

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>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IS THAT BUDGETED?

>> THAT I AM NOT ABLE TO SPEAK TO.

>> CURRENTLY THERE IS 9 MILLION BUDGET CIP FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS. RIGHT NOW WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FLEET BUILDING FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE TACTILE BUILDING THAT IS A SECONDARY BUILDING THAT WILL BE PROVIDED.

>> OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1.

SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD FOR FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2023-5 APPROVING MAJOR MODIFICATION 2022-11 ST. JOHN'S SHERIFF OFFICE FLEET MAINTENANCE.

>> DO I HEAR A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER ARNOLD AND A SEBLD -- SECOND

[2 . First Reading - LDC Amendments - Veterinary Office, Animal Hospital in Office & Professional Services Use category.]

THAT IS 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS.

WE ARE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2.

GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS AMY RING WITH BROOKE MANAGEMENT.

I AM HERE WITH A FIRST READING OF A LAND AMENDMENT FOR A VETERINARY AND ANIMAL HOSPITAL TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES USE CATEGORY. SPECIFICALLY THIS AMENDMENT AFFECTS ARTICLES 2, 6 AND 12 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

FOR BACKGROUND, ON JULY 19TH OF LAST YEAR THE BOARD REQUESTED A GROWTH MANAGEMENT STAFF RESEARCH ADDING VETERINARY OFFICE TO THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL USES USE CATEGORY.

IT PRESENTED TO THE BOARD ON SEPTEMBER 20TH RESULTED IN A REQUEST TO DRAFT THIS LDC AMENDMENT.

THE ITEM WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY ON DECEMBER 15TH AND RESULTED IN A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL IN A 5-0 VOTE. STAFF'S PRESENTATION ON SEPTEMBER 20TH DISCUSSED HOW VET WRAU -- VETERINARY OFFICES ARE IN THE LOW COUNTIES. THEY OPERATE DIFFERENTLY DEPENDING ON HOW THEY STRUCTURE LAND REGULATIONS.

THE COUNTY THAT'S ALLOW VETERINARY OFFICES INCORPORATE SPECIFIC DESIGN CONDITIONS. IN THAT PRESENTATION THEY IDENTIFIED AREAS OF CONCERN AS LISTED HERE.

THE BOARD DISCUSSION INCLUDED THE EXPECTATION THAT REASONABLE CONDITIONS WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE CODE TO ADDRESS SUCH CONCERNS. THIS AMENDMENT MAKES CHANGES TO ARTICLE 2 SECTION 2 AND 2.01 IN THE USE CAT GHOST -- CATEGORIES LISTED HERE. ADJUSTING REFERENCES TO VETERINARY OFFICES FOR UNIFORMITY AND LANGUAGE.

THIS AMENDMENT ADDS VETERINARY OFFICES TO THE PROFESSIONAL USE CATEGORIES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TYPICAL CHARACTERISTICS BY SPECIFYING THEY ARE ALLOWED IN STAND ALONE GROUP BUILDINGS WITHOUT OUTDOOR EXERCISE YARDS. TABLE 2.03.01, ALLOWABLE AND SPECIAL USES IS UPDATED TO REFLECT THESE CODE CHANGES AS ILLUSTRATED IN THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED SECTION.

IT AFFECTS AND AMENDS THE TITLE REFERENCE AND ADDS THE TERM OUTDOOR TO ANIMAL EXERCISE YARD REFERENCES AND SPECIFIES THAT AN ENCLOSED BUILDING MUST BE SOUNDPROOF.

IT REPLACES THE PHRASE RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY WITH PROPERTY ZONED OR USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES.

THE AMENDMENT ADDS SUB SUBSECTION F, ADDRESSING OVERNIGHT ACCOMMODATIONS TO INCLUDE ANIMALS RECEIVING MEDICAL OR SURGICAL TREATMENT AND ALLOWING FOR UP TO 20% OF BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR BOARDING.

THE AMENDMENT MAKES TWO CHANGES TO ARTICLE 12 DEFINITION.

IT ADDS A DEFINITION FOR VETERINARY OFFICE AND ANIMAL HOSPITAL AS A BUILDING USED FOR THE MEDICAL AND SURGICAL CARE OF ANIMAL PATIENTS. THE EXISTING DEFINITION FOR OFFICE, BUSINESS OR PROFESSIOAL, THIS AMENDMENT REMOVES THE STATEMENT RESTRICTING VETERINARIANS FROM TREATING ANIMALS ON THE GROUNDS. IN TERMS OF ACTION, IF THE BOARD

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>> THANK YOU, MS. RING. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS CONCERNING THESE AMENDMENTS? I HAVE A QUESTION. IT IS ON ARTICLE 6 AND SECTION 6.08.04 AND SUBSECTION C. AND E.

I THINK THIS SHOULD BE 300 FEET INSTEAD OF 150 AS IT IS LISTED IN C AND SHOULD BE 300 FEET IN E INSTEAD OF THE TWO 150.

MY CONCERN IS WE WILL CREATE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES WITH THE OUTDOOR FACILITIES THAT POTENTIALLY EXIST.

AND SO THAT'S MY SKERPB. CONCERN.

I DON'T KNOW IF MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE READ INTO THAT.

I JUST WANTED TO ELIMINATE THE CALLS THAT THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE GETTING AND THE POTENTIAL NOISE IT COULD CREATE

FOR OUR NEIGHBORS. >> I AGREE WITH THE CHAIRMAN.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COULD WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO

THIS AMENDMENT? >> YES, YOU CAN.

IN THE PACK -- PACKET YOU CAN SEE AN OPTION TO HAVE A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO THE SECOND HEARING WITH OR WITHOUT CHANGES.

THAT CHANGE COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION.

>> THOSE ARE CHANGES I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.

DO WE NEED CONSENSUS AND DO WE NEED TO VOTE?

>> YES. WE NEED A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF

TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. >> WITH THAT IN MIND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. FORGIVE ME, FOLKS.

I NEED TO FIND THE MOTION FIRST. A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE AMENDMENTS WITH AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 6.08.04 IN ARTICLE 6 TO

SUB SUBSECTION C AND E. >> SECOND.

>> FOR CLARIFICATION, AND SORRY FOR INTERRUPTION.

THIS IS A FIRST READING SO YOU ARE NOT GOING TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT AT THIS TIME. YOU WILL APPROVE IT TO PROCEED TO THE SECOND HEARING WITH THE STATED CHANGES REGARDING THE 30.

>> ALL RIGHT. I'M GONNA TRY AND MAKE MY AMENDMENTS TO THESE AMENDMENTS GIVEN THE MOTION THAT'S LISTED

HERE. >> AT THE.

>> AND THEN -- THANK YOU. >> AND THEN YOU'LL TELL ME HOW I BUTCHERED IT AND WE CAN DO IT AS MANY TIMES AS NECESSARY.

>> I MOVE TO HAVE A FINAL HEARING OF THE CODE OF AMENDMENTS AT THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING ON FEBRUARY 21ST, 2023 WITH THE AMENDMENTS LISTED.

COMMISSION -- COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

>> THAT PASS PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >> I AM TRYING TO REMEMBER WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION IN JULY OF 2022 THE CONCERN I HAD AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AND DOUG YOU MAY WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ARE BUT THE SINGULAR ISSUE THAT CONCERNED ME AND THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS WAS THAT APPARENTLY AS IT WAS PRESENTED TO US IT WAS NOT ALLOWED TO ALLOW CERTAIN VETTARY OFFICES -- VETTARY OFFICES -- RET SRAUARY -- VETERINARY OFFICES IN THE COMPLEXES.

IT WAS PRESENTED TO US THAT WHEN MEDICAL OFFICES AND DR. JOSEPH CAN SPEAK TO THIS, BUT WHEN MEDICAL OFFICES ARE CLOSED OVER TIME BECAUSE A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT IS OLD AND NO LONGER I GUESS QUALIFIES TO TREAT PEOPLE, IT CAN BE USED TO TREAT DOGS AND CATS. THAT REALLY CAUGHT MY EAR.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE EQUIPMENT COULD BE USED FOR VETERINARY SERVICES AND NOT JUST DISCARDED.

THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. DOUG, IF I STATED THIS INCORRECTLY. DOES THIS TAKE CARE OF -- DOES THIS TAKE CARE OF THAT ISSUE THE WAY THAT I THOUGHT WE WERE HEADED? SOMEBODY?

>> PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT AND MR. BURNETT IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE OR 2 TO SPEAK OF WHAT COMMISSIONER WAS ASKING.

>> I DIDN'T WANT TO GET OUT OF ORDER.

DOUG BARNETTE. I THINK COMMISSIONER IS ON POINT. IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR

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THE VET OFFICE BEING IN THE SAME BUILDING AS OTHER PRACTICES AND DISTURBING OR DISRUPTING OTHER PRACTICES IS ADDRESSED BY YOUR CODE AMENDMENT BY KEEPING THEM IN AN INDIVIDUAL BUILDING.

AND I THINK YOUR SPACE LIMITATION APPLIES TO RESIDENTIAL AND NOT COMMERCIAL. SO IT DOESN'T CREATE THE PROBLEM OF THE BUILDING BEING 150 FEET, SAY, FROM ANOTHER MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. THAT WOULD BE FINE.

IT IS JUST 300 FEET IN THE RESIDENTIAL FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THE MOTION. IT MAKES SENSE AND COMMISSIONER DEAN IT DOES ADDRESS THIS ISSUE OF REUSE.

AND TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS, OTHER COUNTIES SOMETIMES DON'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN OFFICE, COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL GENERAL. ST. JOHN'S COUNTY DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN OFFICE, PROFESSIONAL AND COMMERCIAL GENERAL.

BECAUSE YOU DIFFERENTIATE THEN IT MAKES IT TO WHERE THE VET OFFICE ISN'T ALLOWED IN THE SETTING.

IT MAKES SENSE TO MAKE THIS CHANGE.

>> AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, NOTHING I SUGGESTED WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE OVERALL SPIRIT OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.

SUBSECTION C AND E AND THE SUBSECTIONS SPOKE TO FACILITIES THAT HAVE ANIMALS OUTSIDE THE CONFINES OF THE OFFICES.

IT WOULDN'T HAVE CHANGED WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

JUST TRYING TO CRACKDOWN ON THE NOISE TO COME.

ANYTHING TO ADD? >> NO, SIR.

>> ALL RIGHT, FOLKS, I THINK THAT WRAPS UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. GEE WITH ON -- WE ARE ON TO --

[Recess Regular Board of County Commissioners Meeting]

WE ARE GOING TO RECESS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING

[Convene as St. Johns County Community Redevelopment Agency (CRA)]

[3 . Public Hearing * A request of the St. Johns County Community Redevelopment Agency to approve the transfer of funds from the Flagler Estates trust fund for the purchase of two undeveloped parcels adjacent to Flagler Estates Park.]

MS. NOVAK. >> GOOD MORNING.

SHAWNA NOVAK, DIRECTOR OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.

WE ARE HERE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.

THIS IS A PROPOSAL AND A REQUEST BROUGHT TO US BY THE FLAGLER ESTATES TO PURCHASE TWO LOTS IF FLAGLER PARK.

THERE IS A MAP THERE FOR YOU. THE PARCELS ARE UNDEVELOPED AND INACCESSIBLE. THE PROPOSED USE FOR THIS WILL BE TO EXPAND THE PARK SPACE. THE PROPOSAL CONFORMS WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE COUNTY'S 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE PROPOSED USE WOULD ADD THE DEVELOPMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES AND OPEN SPACES FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY CITIZENS AND SREUTS FOR -- VISITORS. THERE IS NO ASSOCIATED PROJECT OR BUDGET APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. THE PURCHASE WILL REQUIRE A TRANSFER OF FUNDS FROM THE FLAGLER TRUST FUND NOT TO EXCEASE $100,000. ON NOVEMBER 3RD, 2022, COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF MET WITH REPRESENTATIVES TO INITIATE QUART YOU ARELY -- QUARTERLY DISCUSSIONS IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2023. AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION OMB PROVIDED A FINANCIAL OVERVIEW OF THE CRA FUND.

UNDER EXISTING ASSUMPTIONS, IT IS ESTIMATED THAT THE FLAGLER ESTATES CRA WILL HAVE REPAID OUTSTANDING DEBT SERVICE BY FISCAL YEAR 2022. IT IS ESTIMATED THAT THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING WILL GENERATE A COMBINED 1.2 MILLION BEYOND WHAT IS OWED TO THE DEBT SERVICE.

SHOULD THE BCC APPROVE THE PURCHASE AS PART OF THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION, THE ASSOCIATIONED -- THE ASSOCIATED RESERVE TRANSFER WOULD BE NETTED ABOVE THE 1.2. I HAVE A MOTION ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION OF FUNDS NOT TO EXCEED $100,000 FROM THE FLAGLER ESTATE TRUST FUND FOR TWO UNDEVELOPED PARCELLS NEXT TO

FLAGLER STATE PARK. >> DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3. PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM

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NUMBER 3. >> GOOD MORNING.

NAME IS WILLIAM FISHER. FLAGLER ESTATES.

I AM PRESIDENT OF THE FLAGLER ESTATES ROAD AND WATER CONTROL DISTRICT. RECENTLY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAD BUILT A MUCH-NEEDED COMMUNITY CENTER.

HOWEVER, THE PARK IS STILL VERY SMALL.

THIS TWO LOTS TO THE EAST OF THE PARK WILL EXPAND THE ATHLETIC FIELD WHERE KIDS CAN PLAY BASEBALL AND FOOTBALL.

THE FIELDS AREN'T BIG ENOUGH RIGHT NOW.

FOR A BOY OR A GIRL TO COMPETE IN ANY YOUNG SPORTS, THEY HAVE TO GO TO HASTINGS. I DON'T WANT TO TO SEE ANY CHILDREN 14 YEARS OLD RIDING A BICYCLE DOWN THE COUNTY ROAD AT 8:00 IN THE EVENING. THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR QUITE AWHILE NOW. THE LOT IMMEDIATELY SOUTH CURRENTLY HAS A WELL ON IT AND A SEPTIC SYSTEM.

THERE USED TO BE A HOUSE IN THERE THAT BURNT DOWN.

IT IS CONSIDERED PART OF THE PARK.

IT IS A WALKING NATURE TRAIL RIGHT NOW.

I HOPE YOU PASS THIS AGENDA. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. FISHER. >> I SUPPORT THIS ITEM.

HASTINGS LIKE FLAGLER ESTATES HAS BEEN LONG NEGLECTED AND WE NEED TO DO MORE FOR THESE COMMUNITIES.

IT IS IN OUR HISTORY OF ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM.

>> THANK YOU, MR. SLATER. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> ALL RIGHT.

BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MS. NOVAK OR ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

THEN WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I WILL MOVE TO ADOPT CRA RESOLUTION 2023-1 APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS NOD TO EXCEED $100,000 FROM THE FLAGLER ESTATE TRUST FUNDS FOR THE COUNTY'S PURCHASE OF TWO UNDEVELOPED PARCELS ADJACENT TO FLAGLER STATE PARK AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ARNOLD AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.

[4. Consider election of a BCC member to the Value Adjustment Board. ]

AGENDA ITEM 4. >> JOANNE SPENCER, SENIOR ASSISTANT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER.

I AM HERE FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE ELECTION OF A BCC MEMBER OF THE BOARD. PLEASE LOOK IN YOUR PACKET FOR THE FLORIDA STATURE REQUIRING THIS AND YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION

TO ALLOW IT. >> THANK YOU, MS. SPENCER.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> I REALLY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT, SO I AM NOT SURE HOW YOU PICK WHO GETS TO GO ON THE BOARD , BUT IT IS UP TO OBVIOUSLY MR. ALAIMO, BUT I DO HAVE AN

INTEREST. >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO, YOUR NAME WAS MENTIONED. ANY THOUGHTS OR ANYTHING YOU

WOULD LIKE TO ADD? >> NO.

JUST HONORED TO SERVE HOW I CAN. I KNOW COMMISSIONER WALDRON SERVED ON THIS BOARD AND THAT'S WHOSE POSITION I AM HAHN -- HONORED TO FULFILL. COMMISSIONER WALDRON, HE LEFT ST. JOHN'S -- HE LOVED ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND ST. JOHN'S COUNTY LOVED HIM. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SERVE UNDER

HIM AS WELL. >> WHY DON'T WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE WILL SEE IF THERE IS A MOTION.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4. PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4. SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> ALL RIGHT.

I AM READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MOTION TO ELECT COMMISSIONER ALAIMO AS A MEMBER OF THE ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND A PROPER SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU, MRS. SPENCER.

AND I APPRECIATE BOTH MR. ALAIMO AND MR. JOSEPH BOTH WANTING TO

[8. Motion to approve PFS AGREE 2022-04 and authorize the County Administrator to execute the Ferber SR 16 PUD Proportionate Fair Share Agreement, finding that the proposed Agreement is consistent with Section 11.09 of the Land Development Code. For more information, contact Jan Tranthm, Senior Transportation Planner at 904 209-0611]

NOW WE ARE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 8. I WANT TO SAY THIS BEFORE WE ROLL INTO IT. I WANT TO SAY THE AGENDA ITEM

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I WOULD LIKE TO URGE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR ANY SPEAKERS AND COMMISSIONERS TO FOCUS THEIR COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT ITEM AND TRY NOT TO RELITIGATE WHETHER OR NOT THIS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS APPROVED.

>> TO FOLLOW-UP ON QUESTIONS, NOW THAT IT IS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA I RECOMMEND WE TREAT IT LIKE A REGULAR AGENDA WHERE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT CAN MAKE A PRESENTATION IF THEY SO DESIRE AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN

ULTIMATELY THE BOARD ACTION. >> OKAY.

I THINK THAT'S GOOD ADVICE. MS. AVERY-SMITH, CAN YOU DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IN 10 MINUTES? IS THAT A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME?

>> I CAN DO WHAT I NEED TO DO BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION. I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE PULLED UNTIL RELATIVELY RECENTLY SO I WILL TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO GO OVER THE HISTORY OF WHAT OCCURRED.

>> MADAM VICE CHAIR, IF YOU WOULD PUT 10 MINUTES ON THE CLOCK AND WE CAN SEE IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION.

>> AND I DEFINITELY WANT TO RESERVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL.

I THINK THERE HAS BEEN MISINFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC RECORD. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE TIME TO CORRECT THAT MISINFORMATION.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> AND I WANT TO POINT YOU -- I AM LOOKING AT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-66 WHICH IS THE PUD FOR FERBER STATE ROAD 16. THIS PUD WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THAT WAS BACK IN 2022.

SO I WILL POINT YOU, YOU WILL RECALL DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PUD, AND I'M SPEAKING OF THE PUD ITSELF, THE APPLICANT REDUCED NUMBER OF PROPOSED MULTI-FAMILY UNITS FROM 405 TO 305 TO REDUCE THE I'M PABLGT -- IMPACT OF STATE ROAD 16 AND 4-MILE ROAD. THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION BEFORE THE BOARD. THE BOARD LIKED THE IDEA BECAUSE IT REDUCED THE IMPACTED LINKS AND IT WAS APPROVED.

DONE. THE APPEAL PERIOD EXPIRED SO NO ONE CAN CHALLENGE THE PUD REZONING.

THEN WE WENT ALONG THE PROCESS. WHILE THE PUD APPLICATION WAS PENDING WE HAD A CONCURRENCY IMPACT AGREEMENT.

IT HAS BEEN IN DRAFT FORM AND THE COUNTY'S PUBLIC RECORDS FOR MONTHS. I DRAFTED IT AND WE MADE CHANGES BASED ON STAFF COMMENTS ALONG THE WAY.

JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW, THAT'S HOW THE PROCESS IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY WORKS. LITERALLY THE APPLICANT FILES THE DOCUMENTS AND YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF REVIEWS THE DOCUMENTS AND PROVIDES COMMENTS BACK.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING STAFF WOULD SAY YOUR PROPORTION GNAT SHARE BASED ON STATE LAW WHICH IS 163 AND SECTION 163.3180 PROVIDES PROPORTION SHARE RULE.

YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT INCORPORATES IT BY STATE LAW.

IT PROVIDES A WAY OF CALCULATING A PROPORTION GNAT FAIR SHARE IN THE MATTER OF P -- OF THIS PUD BECAUSE THE NUMBER WAS REDUCED FROM 405 TO 305. THE PROPORTION GNAT SHARE CHANGED DURING THE REVIEW DURING THIS APPLICATION FOR THE CONCURRENCY AND IMPACT CREDIT AGREEMENT TO 358,$057.

THAT'S THE NUMBER -- $358, 057 AND THAT WAS THE NUMBER ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. THEY OFFERED TO PREPAY SOME OF THE IMPACT FEE MONEY THAT THE ROAD IMPACT FEE MONEY THAT WOULD BE OWED TO THE COUNTY FROM THIS PROJECT ANYWAY TO HELP PAY FOR THE WIDENING OF 4-MILE ROAD AT STATE ROAD 16.

IT WAS TO PAY FOR SO THE COUNTY COULD CONSTRUCT.

AND AS REFLECTED IN THIS, AND I CAN PUT THIS -- I CAN PUT -- I'M ON PAGE 4 OF THE AGREEMENT, SUBSECTION D SAYS THAT THEY WILL ALSO, FREE OF CHARGE, MEANING DONATE AND NOT GET ROAD IMPACT FEE CREDITS 20 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE WIDENING OF 4-MILE ROAD. SO IT IS $358,000 OF PROPORTION GNAT SHARE MONEY DUE BY STATE LAW AND THEN PREPAY AN ADDITIONAL $750,000 IN ROAD IMPACT FEES AND CONTRIBUTING THE 20 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE WIDENING OF 4-MILE ROAD.

IT IS SO THE COUNTY'S PROFESSIONAL STAFF CAN DECIDE WHEN IT IS READY TO WIDEN 4-MILE ROAD TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND SO THAT IS IN THE DOCUMENT. THERE WAS NEVER BY MYSELF OR ANY

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THE INTENT WAS ALWAYS TO GIVE THE COUNTY THE MONEY AND THE RIGHT OF WAY SO THE COUNTY COULD DO THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT -- LIKE I SAID, I PRESENTED TO YOUR BOARD AND NEITHER ONE OF US MADE AN OFFER FOR OUR CLIENT TO BUILD THE ROAD. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS A REQUEST OR A STATEMENT MADE INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD THAT THAT'S WHAT WE SAID. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I DID NOT MAKE THAT STATEMENT. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED, BUT I WOULD JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOUR BOARD APPROVE THIS CON -- CONCURRENCY AND IMPACT AGREEMENT PUT FORWARD ON THE RECORD AND ON YOUR AGENDA AND I AM HERE TO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS. AGAIN, I WANT TO RESERVE REBUTTAL TIME AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU.

>> DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. >> JOE MACNANERNY.

I ATTENDED THE OCTOBER 4TH, MEMBER -- MEETING.

I HEARD WHAT WAS PRESENTED. I HEARD THE COMMISSIONERS CALL C ROAD. INDEED IT DOES OPERATE CURRENTLY AT 151%. THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT 4-MILE ROAD. NOT SO MUCH ABOUT STATE ROUTE 16. 4-MILE ROAD, A LOT OF DISCUSSION. AND I DID HEAR COMMISSIONERS TALK ABOUT THE DESIRE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE INCOMPATIBILITY.

THE DESIRE TO SEE THINGS DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

AND IN RESPONSE TO THAT I DID HEAR MS. SMITH SAY THAT THE PROPORTIONAL FAIR SHARE AND IMPACT FEES WOULD FUND AN ITEM ON THE COUNTY'S ONE CENT SALES TAX.

THAT ITEM COST 2.5 MILLION. SO WHEN I SAW THE CURRENT AGREEMENT THAT TOTALS 1.1 MILLION I DID WRITE TO EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND EACH OF THE CHAIRS AND THE COMMISSIONERS AND I DID HIGHLIGHT MY CONCERNS AND MY REASONS FOR OBJECTING.

I DO UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS REVIEWED THAT AND PERHAPS DOES NOT FIND THESE ITEMS EXACTLY [INAUDIBLE].

SO IT APPEARS [INAUDIBLE] I STILL DID HEAR WHAT I HEARD.

AND EVEN JUST RIGHT NOW I HEARD MS. SMITH INDICATE THAT THE MONEY WOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY SO THAT THE COUNTY COULD BUILD THE ROAD. AGAIN, A BIG, BIG GRAY AREA.

I KNOW YOU LOOK FOR LEGAL POINTS AND YOU LOOK FOR WORDS AND LOOK FOR LANGUAGE. THERE IS AN INFERENCE HERE, A STRONG INFERENCE IN MY OPINION. I AM NOT A LAWYER.

IF THIS IS GOING TO BE APPROVED, I AM SPEAKING FOR MYSELF HERE, HAVE I TO ASK THIS QUESTION, ARE IF NOT ON OCTOBER 4TH WAS THIS QUESTION ANSWERED, HOW ABOUT TODAY? WHEN DO COMMISSIONERS INTEND TO START AND FINISH A NEW TURN LANE AT THE INTERSECTION AND WITH WHAT FUNDS? WE ARE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG HERE ONCE AGAIN.

AND I THINK SOONER THAN LATER IS WHAT I HEARD BEFORE, BUT IT DOES SOUND TODAY THAT WE ARE TALKING LATER RATHER THAN SOONER.

I DO ASK THAT THIS AGREEMENT BE PULLED, REVISED AND NEW

DISCUSSION. >> THANK YOU MR. MACANERNY.

>> WOULD YOU PLEASE TURN YOUR PRESENTATION IN?

THANK YOU. >> WELCOME.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> LESLIE KEYS 207 MISSION COVE CIRCLE AND PRESIDENT OF THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND HAVE ABOUT A DOZEN RESIDENTS BEHIND ME AND WITH ME.

WE ARE JUST ALSO ASKING THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD EXPEDITIOUSLY WITH THOSE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. WE ARE IN A LITTLE TRIANGLE

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WE NEED THOSE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS DONE PREFERABLY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER AND CERTAINLY BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE APARTMENTS STARTS. I HOPE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME

PAGE. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> I AGREE WITH MR. MACANERNY. PLEASE TABLE THIS ITEM AND MAKE THEM PAY MORE. WE NEED TO INTERNALIZE THE EXTERNAL COST AND WE ARE NOT DOING THAT.

THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR NEED TO SHARPEN THEIR PENCILS. FASTER THAN A SPEEDING DUMP TRUCK, EVERYTHING WE LOVE IS BEING DESTROYED AND OUR SCHOOLS ARE OVERCROWDED AND THE DEFORESTATION AND EVERYTHING OCCURRING NEEDS TO STOP. ON THIS ITEM IT IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY. MR. MCNERNY IS RIGHT AND I AGREE. PLEASE MOVE TO TABLE AND PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA AND MAKE THEM COUGH UP MORE MONEY.

OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY NEED TO LEARN TO NEGOTIATE. AND THEY NEGOTIATED OUT OF FEAR AND WE ARE NOT GETTING THE KIND OF PAYMENTS WE DESERVE COMPARED TO WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR. PLEASE MOVE TO TABLE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. SLATER. >> TKPWORBG -- GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. I AM HERE REPRESENTING THE TRUSTEES OF STATE COLLEGE. THE COLLEGE IS LOCATED TO THE EAST OF THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY AT THE INTERSECTION OF 16, KENT AND MORRISON AND 4-MILE. WE MONITOR ACTIVITY THAT MIGHT AFFECT THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND MIGHT AFFECT OUR CAMPUS ACTIVITIES. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE I SPENT TIME TO SORT OUT WHAT THE FACTS OF THE SITUATION ARE.

FROM THE COLLEGE'S VIEW POINT IT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL BE ENTERED INTO AND IT LOOKS LIKE LEGAL HAS APPROVED IT AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS VALID AND CAN BE ENFORCED.

WE ARE NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT SO MUCH AS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT OTHERS MENTIONED TODAY.

THAT IS WHEN IS THE IMPROVEMENTS GOING TO BE MADE? WHEN YOU MAKE THESE ASSESSMENTS AND THERE IS A FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT THAT GOES INTO EFFECT, AND THIS ISN'T THE DEVELOPER'S ISSUE AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. IT IS MORE OF A COUNTY ISSUE AND DOT MAY BE INVOLVED. IT IS A DOT ISSUE.

BUT WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE DONE? IF THE PROJECT COMES ONLINE AND YOU HAVE THE IMPACT, WHERE IS THE ROAD RAYS -- WHERE IS THE ROADWAY THAT'S ALLEVIATE THE IMPACT.

THERE IS TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE CAMPUS AND IT MIGHT BE AFFECTED BY THIS ACTIVITY. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE ISSUE OF WHEN WILL YOU BE SPENDING THE MONEY TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE IMPACTS? AND WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE SPECIAL THANKS AT THIS POINT ALSO TO OUR OLD NEIGHBOR WHO SPENT TIME WITH ME. IT IS SHORT NOTICE TO GO OVER SOME OF THESE ISSUES AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

PLEASE GIVE THOUGHT TO TRY TO PUT THESE DEVELOPMENTS ONLINE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT WE

WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.

BEFORE WE HAVE MS. AVERY SMITH'S REBUTTAL, THE AGENDA ITEM WAS THIS WAS CONSISTENT WITH 11.09 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

DO WE HEAR ANYTHING THAT TELLS US THAT THIS IS INCONSISTENT

WITH 11.09? >> NO.

AND I TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY UPON RECEIVING THE COMMENTS FROM MR. MACANERNY TO REWATCH THE MEETING VIDEO AND REVIEW THE STAFF REPORTS AND REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS ASSOCIATED AND REVIEW STATE LAW. STATE LAW DOES PROVIDE RESTRICTIONS ON HOW THEY TREAT TRANSPORTATION CURRENCY AND TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION. THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT THE COUNTY CAN REQUIRE FOR PAYMENT OR CONTRIBUTION AND THE COUNTY CANNOT LEGALLY REQUIRE MORE THAN THE PROPORTION GNAT FAIR SHARE. AND IF THE DEVELOPER IS WILLING

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SO THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT LIMITATIONS IN HOW THE COUNTY CAN REQUIRE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE TIMING OF THE DEVELOPMENT

GENERATING THE TRANSPORTATION. >> FORGIVE ME, BUT AT THIS POINT THERE IS NOTHING LEGALLY WE CAN DO TO ASK THE DEVELOPER TO PAY MORE MONEY OR TO STOP THIS AND CRUMBLE IT UP AND THROW IT IN

THE TRASH AND START ALL OVER? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> I GUESS THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO BRING TO LIGHT IS WE'VE HAD OTHER -- ANOTHER DEVELOPER COME IN AND SUPPOSED TO BUILD A ROAD AND IT WENT FROM 5 MILLION TO 20 MILLION. WHEN THEY DO THESE NUMBERS AND IT IS FROM 2022, DO WE LOOK FORWARD TO HOW MUCH IT IS GOING TO BE DOWN THE ROAD? THAT'S ONE THING.

SECOND OF ALL, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA START BUILDING? I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHEN IT WAS GOING TO START BECAUSE I LOOKED BACK AT THE VIDEO BECAUSE I WASN'T ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME, BUT COMMISSIONER DEAN DISCUSSED THE NEED OF FOUR MAINS ON 4-MILE ROAD AND NO FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED AND PUBLIC WORKS COMPLETED A TRAFFIC STUDY. LAND AGO -- LAND ACQUISITION WOULD BE REQUIRED. MY QUESTION IS WHEN ARE THE APARTMENTS GOING TO BE STARTED? ARE THEY BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW? HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE TO INCREASE A TURN LANE OR DOING

SOMETHING? >> SO JUST TO GO FORWARD TO THE AGREEMENT, AND THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION, THIS AGREEMENT WAS DRAFTED, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONCURRENT PAYMENT AND THE CREDIT AGREEMENT.

THIS IS SPECIFICALLY SECTIONED STARTING IN SECTION 4 AND SUBSECTION B ON PAGE 4 OF THE AGREEMENT.

IT TALKS ABOUT PRIOR TO THE COUNTY'S APPROVAL OF THE FIRST CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THAT MEANS HORIZONTAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

SO PUTTING IN WATER LINES AND SEWER LINES AND PUTTING DOWN PARKING LOTS, WHATEVER, DRAINAGE SYSTEMS, ALL OF THAT.

THIS DEVELOPER HAS TO -- BEFORE THE COUNTY APPROVES THE PLANS PAY THE 358,000 IN PROPORTION GNAT SHARE.

THAT'S THE PROPORTION GNAT SHARE REQUIRED BY FLORIDA LAW IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THAT MONEY GOES INTO THE COUNTY'S COFFERS BEFORE PLANS ARE APPROVED.

SO BEFORE ONE INCH OF DIRT IS MOVED, THAT $358,057 GOES INTO THE COUNTY'S COFFERS. ADDITIONALLY IF YOU LOOK AT 4C WHICH IS ALSO ON PAGE 4, IT ALSO SAYS PRIOR TO THE COUNTY'S APPROVAL OF CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE DEVELOPMENT, SO AGAIN BEFORE ONE INCH OF DIRT IS MOVED, THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO PRE-PAY $750,000 IN ROAD IMPACT FEE THAT'S WOULD BE DUE. SO THEN THE COUNTY WILL HAVE A MILLION -- MY MATH IS BAD. A MILLION 1 LET'S CALL IT IN THE COFFERS AND ALSO THEN IF YOU LOOK NUMBER D, STILL ON PAGE 4, IT TALKS ABOUT PRIOR TO THE COUNTY'S APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO DEED TO THE COUNTY AND IT SAYS FREE OF CHARGE, SO NO ROAD IMPACT FEE CREDIT THAT 20 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY.

I ALREADY HAVE THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO WE HAVE THE COUNTY'S FORM OF DEED.

I DEAL WITH YOUR STAFF ALL THE TIME.

WE HAVE YOUR FORM OF DEED. WE WILL RUN A TITLE SEARCH.

THAT DEED CAN GO TO THE COUNTY AND IT WILL GO TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL. AND SO YOU WILL HAVE THE MILLION 1 IN CASH. YOU WILL HAVE A DEED FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY BEFORE THEY MOVE AN INCH OF DIRT.

THAT'S HOW THE AGREEMENT IS SET UP.

THEN YOU WILL HAVE THE FUNDS AND THE LANDS UP FRONT FOR THE COUNTY -- BECAUSE IT IS A COUNTY ROAD, 4-MILE ROAD TO BUILD WHATEVER OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THE COUNTY WANTS.

AND THERE WILL BE OTHER ROAD IMPACT FEES COMING ALONG WITH THIS PROJECT AND OTHERS IN THE AREA TO MAKE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS

AS STAFF DEEMS NECESSARY. >> SO HOW LONG UNTIL THE FIRST CAR DRIVES OUT OF THERE? TAKE A WILD GUESS.

>> I'M GONNA HAVE TOM MONDAY WHO IS THE PERSON FROM FERBER BECAUSE HE IS IN CONTROL OF THE CONSTRUCTION.

>> THANK YOU. >> CURRENTLY WE ARE TRACKING THE START OF CONSTRUCTION IN EARLY 202.

BY THE -- EARLY 2023. BY THE TIME THE FIRST UNITS ARE

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WE ARE LOOKING AT SPRING OR SUMMER OF 2024 UNTIL THE FIRST

BUILDINGS ARE IN. >> THANK YOU.

SO HOW DO WE FIND OUT HOW WE ART LOOKING AT THIS MAYBE A TURN LANE OR SOMETHING TO HELP OUT THE COLLEGE AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AND THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY

THERE? >> IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND THE TEAM CAN RESPOND, BUT AS PLANNED CURRENTLY IT IS IN THE FIVE-YEAR CIP WITH DESIGN BEGINNING IN FISCAL YEAR 24 OF THIS SECTION AND CONSTRUCTION BEGINNING IN FISCAL YEAR 25. YOU ARE LOOKING AT A DESIGN 300,000 PROGRAM AND THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR IS CONSTRUCTION OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK MR. CALDWELL AND MR. ROBERSON ARE HERE AND CAN TALK IN DETAIL, BUT THAT IS THE PRELIMINARY ANSWER AS TO WHEN IS THE PLAN FOR THAT STRETCH OF

ROAD IMPROVEMENT? >> MS. AVERY SMITH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD?

>> NO. I JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST FROM PUBLIC COMMENT.

I MEAN, WE TRIED -- THE BOARD FOLLOWS THE LAW.

THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS A PROPORTION GNAT SHARE LAW.

YOU ALSO HAVE IMPACT FEES THAT ARE PAID.

AND SO WE -- YOU KNOW, THE LAW IS SET OUT FOR A REASON.

AND THIS APPLICANT IS COMPLYING WITH THAT LAW.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE LAW AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE IN THE POSITION THAT WE ARE IN TODAY AND I KNOW SOMETIMES IT IS UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT WE ARE A NATION AND A STATE AND A COUNTY OF LAWS.

SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOU APPROVE THIS SINCE IT IS IN CONFORM -- CONFORM MENS WITH THE LAW.

>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM?

>> OKAY. I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE A PORTION OF THE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT 2022-0 THE FERBER PUD.

[Public Comment]

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

IT PASSES 4-1. ALL RIGHT SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULAR AGENDA. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO

NONAGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL HEAR COMMENTS NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS HAVE THEIR OWN COMMENT PERIOD.

ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON SHOULD BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE RULES OF DECORUM. COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR AN IMMEDIAE RESPONSE.

NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL AND PERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS AND MEMBERS FROM THE AUDIENCE SHOULD RE REFRAIN FROM DEMONSTRATION OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS. FINALLY I ASK ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> CAROL ANDERSON, 1602 WIND JAMMER LANE.

FIRST, I WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR WORKING WITH THE COUNTY STAFF AND COMMISSIONER DEAN WHO HELPED ME UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THE ISSUE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS OF I REPRESENT NORTH BEACH ALLIANCE AND ARE HAPPY TO HAVE THE FINES ESTABLISHED AND CODE ENFORCEMENT HAVING GREATER ABILITY TO REIN IN VIOLATIONS OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE.

I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL REQUEST OF THE COUNTY.

WE ASK THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE MANDATORY POSTINGS AND EACH RENTAL UNIT RELATED TO ISSUES OF SAFETY AND FIRMLY COMMUNICATE TO VISITORS RENTING THE PROPERTY ABOUT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE NOISE AND THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCES.

WE STAYED IN NORTH CAROLINA IN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

THE WORDS OF NONCOMPLIANCE WAS EXCEPTIONALLY WELL DONE AND WOULD GIVE REASONABLE PEOPLE AN ALERT THAT NOISE AND OTHER VIOLATIONS WERE NOT WELCOME. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING SIMILAR IN THOSE RENTAL UNITS SUBJECT TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE. SOME TIME AGO SHARE -- SHERIFF HARDWICK PRESENTED THIS POSTER AND IT IS AT ALL CAMPGROUNDS.

IT COULD EASILY BE ADAPTED TO OTHER AREAS.

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WE ALSO MOCKED UP A SIMILAR POSTER TO THE ONE WE SAW IN WRIGHTSVILLE BEACH RECOGNIZING THE COUNTY WILL WANT TO DO THEIR OWN EDITING ON THIS, WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT SOME FORM OF MANDATORY POSTINGS THAT TALK TO THE SAFETY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF ADHERING TO THE ORDINANCES FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS BE APPROVED

BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSION. >> THANK YOU.

BEFORE WE GO -RB -- MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I RESPOND TO

HER QUICKLY? >> YES, SIR.

>> CAROL AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ALONG WITH OUR INTER AGENCY GROUP THAT WE HAD DESIGNATED SOME TIME AGO LAST FALL. I HAVE THOSE HERE TOO.

I'M GOING TO REQUEST SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT I AM DOING, I AM GOING TO REQUEST THE CHAIRMAN AGENDA THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING OR TWEAK OUR ORDINANCES TO INCLUDE THE TWO OVERHEADS SHE SHOWED. IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET THE WORD OUT TO THE RENTERS, HOW THEY ARE EXPECTED TO PERFORM AND ALSO THE AIRBNB OWNERS BECAUSE ALL OF US KNOW THE DIFFICULTIES WE HAVE HAD IN RECENT MONTHS AND YEARS DEALING WITH THE STATE BRANCH AND WHAT WE CAN DO IN A LIMITED SENSE.

AND THIS IS A GREAT STEP FORWARD.

THAT'S COMING TO YOU, I HOPE. >> I THINK THAT IS A WONDERFUL

IDEA. >> THANK YOU.

>> THIS IS YOUR MOMENT. NOW IS YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. SO AS I MENTIONED CHRISTIE RICHLAND 961 GRACELAND, MARSH LAND MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

AND I JUST WANTED TO REPORT ON THE THOUSANDS OF HOURS LITERALLY AT THIS POINT SINCE 2018 THAT THE ASSOCIATION DISTRICT STAFF AND COMMISSIONER STAFF, ENGINEERS, LEGAL AND RESIDENT VOLUNTEERS HAVE SPENT ON STORM WATER SYSTEM WITHIN MARSH LANDING. UNFORTUNATELY A GREAT DEAL OF THIS TIME FOR ALL OF US HAS BEEN SPENT RESPONDING TO CHALLENGES AND COMPLAINTS FILED. FOR BACKGROUND AFTER A YEAR OF EXTENSIVE MODELING IN 2019, THE DISTRICT ISSUE -- ISSUED WHAT WE CALLED THE DASH 19 PERMIT. THIS IS TO LET US KNOW THAT THE STORM WATER SYSTEM IN UNITS 5 THROUGH 9 OF THE COMMUNITY FUNCTIONED AS DESIGNED AND IT OUTLINED 31 CONDITIONS FOR THE ASSOCIATION TO MIGHT. ONCE THAT PERMIT WAS ISSUED, JIM HENSLEY WHO IS A PROMOTER IN THE COMMUNITY FILED A CHALLENGE TO THE PERMIT CAUSED US A SEVEN-MONTH DELAY AND THEN BEFORE STORM SEASON HE DROPPED HIS CHALLENGE WITHOUT ANY CHANGES TO IT. THE ASSOCIATION BEGAN ON EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT 2020.

HOWEVER, COMPLAINTS CONTINUE -- CONTINUED TO BE MADE ON THE VALIDITY OF THE BLANKET EASE MEANT LANGUAGE CONTAINED IN THE PERMIT TO THE SOIL AND WATER AGENCY AND PROBABLY MOST DISRUPTIVE TO THE ASSOCIATION COMPLAINTS WERE FILED AGAINST ENGINEERING WHO THE ASSOCIATION ENGAGED.

HE HAD TO SPEND SEVERAL MONTHS DEFENDING HIS LICENSE WITH THE BOARD OF ENGINEERS. FAST-FORWARD AND A NEW COMPLAINT WAS FILED AGAINST THE ASSOCIATION FOR LIVES FLOATS.

IS IT WAS NOT FOUND IN THE PERMIT.

THE ASSOCIATION WAS AGAIN SIDE TRACKED AND HAD TO REMODEL ALL OF THE SYSTEM RESULTING IN A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT TO THE HOMEOWNERS. THROUGHOUT 2022 THE COMPLAINTS DID CONTINUE TO AGAIN COUNTY DISTRICT ABOUT CURBING CUTTERS.

EACH COMPLAINT HAS RESULTED IN MORE TIME THE ASSOCIATION HAS CONTINUED TO RESPOND TO ALL OF THESE COMPLAINTS AND AT THE SAME TIME RESPONDING TO THE REQUEST FROM THE DISTRICT AND NOW THEIR PEURD -- THIRD PARTY ENGINEER IS USING DAVID HAMSTRA.

TKAOD -- TODAY CONDITION 26 IS THE ONE ITEM THAT IS REMAINING ON THE PERMIT. THE PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY APPROVED BY THE DISTRICT.

HOWEVER, YET AGAIN, MR. HENSLEY HAS FILED A CHALLENGE TO THIS.

A HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR APRI. IN CONCLUSION, THE ASSOCIATION AND OTHERS CONTINUE TO RESPOND TO EACH COMPLAINT.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

I REPRESENT MARSH LANDING MANAGEMENT -- OR THE MASTER ASSOCIATION THROUGH THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

AND I WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND TO THE STORM WATER SYSTEM. MOST OF YOU KNOW THERE IS A

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WITH THAT THEY SERVE AS 10 INDIVIDUAL HOA'S.

THEY ALSO SERVE THE MASTER ASSOCIATION AND THE COUNTRY CLUB AND ONE MAJOR BUSINESS ENTITY. WE DO HAVE A MAINTENANCE PROTOCOL AND WITH THAT MAINTENANCE PROTOCOL WE HAVE WEEKLY, QUARTERLY, MONTHLY AND OUTSIDE INSPECTIONS BY OUTSIDE VENDORS. THERE IS A RESERVE STUDY THAT EXTENDS 30 YEARS. AND WITH THAT THE -- IT EVALUATES EVERY ITEM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO ASSESS ITS LIFE EXPECTANCY. THERE ARE SEMIANNUAL INSPECTIONS AND THIS MEANS YOU GO OUT AND MY STAFF GOES OUT AND CLEANS EVERY CATCH BASIN IN THE COMMUNITY. WE DO BI-ANNUAL CERTIFICATIONS THROUGH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

WE RECENTLY HAVE DONE A GOOD DEAL OF PROJECTS AND HAVE MONEY SCHEDULED TO BE SPENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT $2 MILLION. OF THOSE FIVE PUMP STATIONS, FOUR WERE RECENTLY REBUILT WHICH INCLUDES NEW PIPES AND NEW ENGINES AND REBUILT PUMPS. ALL OF THAT TOTALED $650,000.

TO HAERB -- HEAR PEOPLE SAY NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE [INAUDIBLE]. WE HAVE INSTALLED CAMERA SYSTEMS TO MONITOR THIS SYSTEM 24/7. I I DID WANT TO GET BACK TO A COUPLE OF ISSUES WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING.

THERE WERE ACCUSATIONS OF THINGS NOT BEING DONE.

AS I SAID AS THE RESERVE STUDY IN WHICH THE COMMUNITY PLANS FOR AND REPLACES EVERY ITEM. THERE WERE STATEMENTS ABOUT UNPASSABLE ROADS. THESE ROADS -- WE LIVE IN A MARSH ON BARRIER ISLAND. WE DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MAKE THINGS AS GOOD AS CAN BE. BUT WE CANNOT COME BACK AGAINST TIDAL SURGES. THERE WAS COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE SAWGRASS NOT BEING ABLE TO PUMP. THE SAWGRASS HAS TWO MAJOR PUMP STATIONS. THE MAIN STATION DOES MUCH OF THE WORK AND IT IS OPERATED OFF OF 250 ROSCOE ROAD.

IN CONCLUSION THE COMMUNITY TAKES ALL OF THE STORM WATER SYSTEM SERIOUSLY. THEY PLAN FR EVERYTHING.

THEY HAVE BACK UPS FOR ALL OF THE ITEMS AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

MY NAME IS PETER CARPIN AND I RESIDE AT 244 -- 244 HARBOR VIE.

I AM PART OF THE ASSOCIATION THAT HAS 1100 HOMES AND WELL OVER 2200 RESIDENTS. A COUPLE WEEKS AGO SEVERAL RESIDENTS OF MARSH LANDING WHO COINCIDENTLY HAVE ALSO SUED THE HOA MADE CLAIMS BEFORE YOU ABOUT OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. SIMPLY PUT THEY STATED THAT THE SYSTEM DOES NOT PREVENT FLOODING FROM KING TIDES OR HURRICANES AND THAT THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY MAINTENANCE OF ANY OF THE PONDS. MY PURPOSE THIS MORNING IS TO SHARE SOME BRIEF REMARKS WHICH CHALLENGE THOSE COMMENTS.

FIRST, OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WAS NEVER DESIGNED OR PERMITTED TO PREVENT KING TIDES OR HURRICANE STORM SURGES. RATHER IT WAS BUILT AND CERTIFIED TO PREVENT FLOODING FROM 25-YEAR RAINFALL EVENTS.

AND SECOND THROUGH THE 19 APPROVAL PROCESS, OUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WILL HAVE SPENT OVER $2.7 MILLION ON THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FUNDED OF COURSE BY OUR RESIDENTS THROUGH SPECIAL ASSESSMENT AND SHARPLY HIGHER ANNUAL DUES. TO SUGGEST THERE HAS BEEN NO MAINTENANCE OF THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM OR THAT IT IS INTENDED TO STOP KING TIDES OR STORM SURGES IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

ON A DIFFERENT MATTER, BUT JUST AS IMPORTANT, OVER 5% OF THESE MAINTENANCE EXPENSES OR ABOUT $150,000 COVERED WORK TO RESHAPE SOME OF OUR POND SLOPES TO CHANGE THEM TO THE CURRENT STANDARD 4-1. HOWEVER, MANY OF THESE FLOATS WERE PERMITTED BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AT 3-1.

WHY ARE POND SLOPES EVEN AN ISSUE SINCE THE ENFORCEMENT TO

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THE SAME MAY BE SAID ABOUT OTHER COMPLAINTS AND CHALLENGES TO THE DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY FROM THE LIT GANTS.

AND THE LITIGANTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS GREG NEIL. I RESIDE AT 105 DEER COVE.

I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE MARSH LANDING MASTER BOARD.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, I AM HERE REPRESENTING OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, THE 10HOA PRESIDENTS IN MARSH LAND WHO REPRESENT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2200 AND 3,000 RESIDENTS.

A COUPLE OF PURPOSES. ONE, CONTEXT OF THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, PLEASE. AS HAS BEEN SAID, WE ARE A BARRIER ISLAND. WE HAVE THE INTER COASTAL IN OUR BACKYARD. WE ARE IN FLOOD ZONE AE.

RESIDENTS KNEW THAT WHEN THEY MOVED IN.

WE HAVE 20 MILES OF INTRACOASTAL AND INTERCONNECT TIFF TEE IN MARSH LANDING WITH MARSHES, CREEKS AND TRIBUTARIES.

WE CANNOT AND WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO STOP HURRICANE STORM SURGE. THESE ARE ACTS OF NATURE.

SOME SAY WE SHOULD. THAT'S LIKE TRYING TO STOP TORNADOES AND EARTHQUAKES. WE WISH WE COULD, BUT, FOLKS, WE CANNOT. MR. HAM -P SISTER WAS -- MR. HAMSTER SAID CLEARLY THE HOMES THAT FLOODED IN MARSH LANDING WAS DUE TO HURRICANE SURGE.

HE ALSO SAID THAT A PUMP SYSTEM WE HAVE IS ONE OF THE BEST HE AS SEEN. WE HAVE EFFECTIVE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. ANOTHER ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT INTO CONTEXT, PLEASE, MR. HAMSTRA SAID, AND THIS INVOLVES THE RESIDENT LIT GANT ISSUES THAT THE ELEVATION SHOULD BE SIX FEET OR HIGHER. NOTE, MANY OF THE LITIGATING RESIDENTS ARE BELOW THAT INCLUDING MR. HEMSLEY HIMSELF.

LAST MONTH IT WAS SAID RESIDENTS WERE WADING THROUGH KNEE DEEP SEWAGE. THE COUNTY IDENTIFIED THAT AND IT WAS INCORRECT. THE HOA DOES NOTHING.

WE HAVE NO STORM WATER PHAEUBT TPHEPBS.

STORM WATER MAINTENANCE. WHY DID THEY SAY THIS? THE LAST TWO 24/7 MANNING THE PUMPS AND CHECKING ON THE COMMUNITY. HE SAID HE IS A PROJECT MANAGER FOR MR. HAMSTRA. REALLY? HE SAID HE PROVIDED A THOUSAND HOURS OF RESEARCH TO MR. HAMSTRA IS THIS INAPPROPRIATE? IS HE BUILDING HIS CASE? IN ADDITION, RESIDENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO ENSURE THEY HAVE PROPER LOT DRAINAGE. MOST HAVE NOT DONE THAT.

MR. HENSLEY HAS TAKEN A CREATIVE APPROACH.

HE HAS PUT CONCRETE IN THE BACK OF HIS YARD IN THE DRAIN.

NOT HELPFUL. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF REQUESTS FOR. PLEASE CONSIDER THIS.

THE OTHER RESIDENTS OF MARSH LANDING 3,000 CONSIDER THEIR REPUTATION. CONSIDER THE COST THAT IS -- THAT THEY HAVE TO BEAR AND CONSIDER THAT MANY BELIEVE AND I MEAN THIS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THIS IS SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT BASED ON THE PRESSURE OF THE LIT GANTS UN -- UNINTENTIONALLY.

CONSIDER TALKING TO US BEFORE MORE REPORTS.

WE HAVE AN EXTENSIVE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

IT FUNCTIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MY NAME IS ROBERT RE -- REEL AND I LIVE IN MARSH LANDING'S HOA.

THIS IS MY HOUSE. I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR ALMOST 11 YEARS. THIS IS WHAT MY BACKYARD LOOKED LIKE FOR THE FIRST SIX YEARS. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS. FOULED WITH ODORS, MUD, ROTTING ORGANICS, RUSTING PIPES AND MOSTLY DEVOID OF DUCKS, FISH AND WILDLIFE. THE LOWERED POND LEVELS YOU HAVE HEARD SPOKEN ABOUT HAVE CAUSED MY PROPERTY TO SLIDE INTO THE POND. IT IS PUTTING TREES AND STRUCTURES AT-RISK OF COLLAPSE. THIS IS WHAT MARSH LANDING LOOKED LIKE FOR THE FIRST 35 YEARS.

THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW. THIS IS SIMILAR DAMAGE DONE TO MY NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTIES AND COMMON AREAS.

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THEY CAN DO THAT WITHOUT KEEPING THEM LOWERED ALL YEAR LONG.

COMMON SENSE TELLS US THAT. DID YOU KNOW -- DID YOU KNOW THAT NOAA STATISTICS SHOW 8.5% OF RAIN HAS FALLEN IN MARSH LANDING ONLY TWICE IN THE LAST 143 YEARS? OUR PONDS CANNOT, NOR ARE THEY PERMITTED TO ABSORB THE ATLANTIC OCEAN SURGING INTO THE RIVERS, THE MARSHES AND PONDS FROM HURRICANES. IF THAT WERE THE CASE, WE SHOULD REQUIRE THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER AND THE INTER COASTAL WATERWAY TO BE

LOWERED ALL YEAR LONG. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> WELCOME. RESPECTED ST. JOHN'S COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, I AM DR. KAREN TOKER.

MY ADDRESS IS 6030 OAK BRICK COURT IN MARSH LANDING.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THESE COMMENTS.

I LIVE IN HOA2 IN MARSH LANDING WHERE I HAVE LIVED FOR 30 YEARS.

MY BACKYARD ABUTS TO POND 30 IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU CAN SEE THE BEFORE AND AFTER THE REDUCTION AND THE POND LEVEL THERE ON MY HOUSE. DURING MOST OF THE 30 YEARS INCLUDING TIMES OF HURRICANES THE WATER LEVEL IN THAT POND AND OTHERS WAS LOWERED ABOUT TWO DAYS AHEAD OF ANY LARGE STORM OR HURRICANE AND THEN AFTER THE STORM ALLOWED TO ADJUST TO A ROUTINE LEVEL. ALL HOUSES BUILT AROUND THAT TIME HAD YARDS GRADED TO THE LEVEL AT WHICH THE PONDS WERE AT THAT TIME. THE WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM SEEMED VERY EFFECTIVE, ALTHOUGH IT WAS NEVER EXPECTED TO PREVENT FLOODING DUE TO HURRICANES. ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO THE POND BEHIND MY HOUSE HAD THE WATER LEVEL LOWERED SEVERELY AFTER LITIGATION AFTER HURRICANE IRMA. SINCE THEN MY BACKYARD HAS ERODED SEVERELY WITH DIRT FALLING INTO THE DRY AREA BETWEEN MY YARD AND THE LITTLE BIT OF WATER THAT IS LEFT THERE AS WELL AS INTO THE WATER ITSELF.

IT HAS BEEN DANGEROUS TO WALK AT THE EDGE OF MY PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THIS EROSION AND MULTIPLE IRRIGATION HEADS HAVE FALLEN INTO THE POND AS WELL. IN ADDITION, THE DRAINING DOWN OF THE POND HAS EXPOSED RUSTED DRAINAGE PIPES AND THE AESTHETICS OF MY BACKYARD HAS DETERIORATED.

I CAN ONLY ASSUME MY PROPERTY VALUE IS NOT AS HIGH AS IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BECAUSE OF THAT. IN ADDITION, ALL OF THE BUSHES I HAD AT THE EDGE OF MY PROPERTY DIED AND THE FISH AND BIRD LIFE SEEM TO HAVE DIMINISHED. I AM ASKING YOU TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION MY AND THE OVER 200 OTHER HOMEOWNERS IN MARSH LANDING HOMEOWNERS 2 DESIRE TO HAVE THE PONDS RESTORED TO THEIR PREVIOUS LEVEL. SPECIFICALLY AS FIRST STEPS I AM ASKING THAT YOU INSTRUCT MR. HAMSTRA OF PEG TKPWAU SUCCESS ENGINEERING -- PEGASUS ENGINEERING TO CONSULT WITH OTHER HOMEOWNERS BESIDES THE LITIGA ATS AND PERFORM THE ANALYSIS REQUIRED TO REMOVE THE RESTRICTIONS ON RAISING THE POND LEVELS TO THEIR ORIGINAL LEVEL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. HELLO, EVERYBODY.

HI I AM JANET SONYA. I AM A RESIDENT OF MARSH LANDING [INAUDIBLE] AND I AM A BOARD MEMBER OF HOA2.

I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SEVERE AND REAL PROPERTY DAMAGE THAT'S BEEN DONE DUE TO THE LOWERED PONDS.

THIS WAS THE BANKS AT MY HOUSE IN 2018.

NOTICE THE DOCKS ARE HAPPY AND EVERYBODY IS HAPPY.

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WE HAD NICE, FIRM BANKS. MY HOUSE NEVER FLOODED AFTER 30 YEARS OF LIVING THERE. MARSH LANDING HAS A PRACTICE OF LOWERING THE PONDS BEFORE A MAJOR RAIN EVENT AND IT HAS ALWAYS WORKED IN APRIL OF 2020 AFTER THE PONDS WERE LOWERED, THE FIRM BANKS WERE STILL IN PLACE.

SO THERE WAS NO REAL PROPERTY DAMAGE, EVEN THOUGH THE PONDS HAD BEEN LOWERED ABOUT THREE TO FOUR FEET.

BUT IN JULY OF 2020 AFTER SOME RAINY SEASONS CAME ALONG, THERE WAS A TRACTOR THAT GOT STUCK IN THE MUD IN MY BACKYARD AND IT WAS OBSERVED THAT WATER WAS ACTIVELY FLOWING THROUGH MY YARD INTO THE LAKE. AFTER CONSULTING WITH NUMEROUS EXPERTS IT WAS AN ARTISIAN WELL AND IT WAS NOW COMING UP FROM THE EARTH AND FLOODING MY PROPERTY.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION MY HOUSE WAS BUILT 30 YEARS AGO AND MY SLAB WAS POURED 30 YEARS AGO.

SO WE STARTED SEEING SLAB FOUNDATION DAMAGE DUE TO THE WATER FLOWING THROUGH THE YARD, AND WE NOTICED CRACKS IN THE POOHING DECK AND -- CRACKS IN THE POOL DECK AND LIKES IN THE POOL. THIS IS WHAT MY POOL DECK LOOKS LIKE. IT WAS ABOUT TWO INCHES.

THE STEPS OF MY POOL HAVE PULLED AWAY FROM THE HOUSE.

THIS IS WHAT MY BACKYARD LOOKED LIKE IN FEBRUARY OF 2021.

I HAVE FRIENDS WHO WORK FOR THE ARMY CORP OF ENGINEERS.

THEY CAME OUT AND LOOKED AND SAID, LISTEN, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THE PONDS HAVE BEEN LOWERED SO MUCH, SO SIGNIFICANTLY THAT THE BELOW GROUND WATER IN YOUR YARD -- BELOW THE GROUND WATER IN YOUR YARD. IT IS MOVING THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY AND TAKING YOUR YARD WITH IT AND ERODING IT INTO THE LAKES. EVERYTHING IS MUDDY AND MARSHY.

I GUESS IT IS INVADING THE PROPERTY.

I WAS ADVISED TO GET A RETAINING WALL THAT COSTS $30,000.

I WAS ADVISED I COULD NOT GET A WALL PAD BECAUSE THEY WANTED -- ST. JOHNS WATER MANAGEMENT WANTED AS MUCH WATER CAPACITY IN THE PONDS SO I LOST 20 FEET OF PROPERTY OFF MY PROPERTY EDGE BECAUSE I HAD TO MOVE THE RETAINING WALL BACK THAT FAR.

THAT WAS $30,000. I HAD TO PUT IN NEW GUTTERS AND DRAINS TO DRAIN THE RAINWATER TO THE FRONT OF MY HOUSE INSTEAD OF THE BACK TO HELP REDUCE THE FLOW OF WATER TAKING MY BACKYARD INTO THE LAKE WHICH I DID. MY BACKYARD IS A MESS.

AND HERE ARE THE TWO DEAD TURTLES FOUND IN MY BACKYARD

YESTERDAY. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU. >> PLEASE RAISE THOSE LEVELS.

>> MA'AM, IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR MATERIALS.

THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE] AND I LIVE AT 108 ALICE WAY IN MARSH LANDING HOA2.

AND I HAPPEN TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

I PRESENT ALL 200 HOMES AND 500 PLUS PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE FOR HOA2. I AM NOT GOING TO BE LABOR THE POINT OF THE LOW LEVELS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THE PREVIOUS THREE PRESENTERS HAVE SHOWED YOU HOW BADLY IT HAS BEEN AFFECTING OUR COMMUNITY AND IT MAY COST HOMEOWNERS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO FIX IT. THE ONLY SOLUTION THEY TOLD US IS TO RAISE THE POND LEVELS BACK UP.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOARD HAS ENGAGED MR. HAMSTRA TO REVIEW THE SITUATION OF THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

AND WE HAVE TWO SPECIFIC REQUESTS.

THESE THINGS ARE WELL WITHIN THE CONTROL OF THE -- OF THIS BOARD.

ONE IS THAT OUR SPECIFIC REQUEST IS TO ENGAGE MR. HAMSTRA TO SPEAK WITH THE REMAINING 200 PLUS HOMEOWNERS PWA US HE HAS ONLY -- BECAUSE HE HAS ONLY SPOKEN WITH THOSE SUING OUR COMMUNITY. FOR THE RECORD, I AM NOT SUING ANYBODY. HE HAS ONLY SPOKEN TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUED HOA2 MARSH LANDING. FIRST REQUEST IS TO HAVE HIM SPEAK WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SUING THE COMMUNITY AND WHO HAVE SUFFERED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE AS A RESULT OF LOWERING THE PONDS. THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION.

THAT'S THE FIRST REQUEST. HE WILL GET A FAIR AND BALANCED VIEW OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING FROM.

THE SECOND REQUEST IS TO INCLUDE IN ITS CONTRACT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THAT YOU ALLOW US TO RAISE THE POND BACK UP.

WE HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND ST.

JOHNS RIVER AND WE ARE TOLD THE MODEL WORKS WHERE YOU CAN RAISE UP THE PONDS AGAIN. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN TWO DAYS. WE NEED TO START THE PROCESS AND WE HAVE MR. HAMSTRA ENGAGED AND HE IS AWARE OF WHAT HE NEEDS TO

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I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE DETAILS OF ALL OF THE INFORMATION.

I HAVE TWO SPECIFIC REQUESTS AND I SENT THEM ELECTRIC TKROPB NICM ELECTRONICALLY. I WILL SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD HERE. IT INCLUDES THE POND SURVEY.

WE SHOW THAT MORE THAN 90% OF HOA TO HOMEOWNERS WANT THE POND RESTORED. IT IS ONLY A FEW WHO DON'T WANT IT RESTORED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> WELCOME.

>> HELLO. I AM MARY ELLEN SHOUS AT 7750A1A SOUTH, TRADE WINDS NUMBER 53. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

WE ARE NEW TO THE COMMISSIONER FORMAT.

>> THEY CAN SPEAK SEPARATELY. >> BARBARA SANDUSKY, 7715 SOUTH

UNIT 122. >> PHILIP SHOUS, 7750A1A SOUTH

CONDO NUMBER 53. >> WE ARE NEW TO THE COMMISSIONER FORMAT. WE WANT TO STATE THAT WE ARE OPPOSED TO TORTUGA PARK. AND WE REQUEST TORTUGA PARK BE PUT BACK ON THE AGENDA. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> HI.

NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 NET ROAD. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR MOVING THE COMMENTS SOONER. REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

ALTHOUGH I KNOW TODAY IS A SHORT DAY.

I WANT TO SPEAK TODAY ABOUT SOMETHING COMMISSIONERERS AND -- COMMISSIONERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS DO AS A BODY TO MAKE A STATEMENT IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION OF A PIECE OF LEGISLATION. I THINK THERE ARE TWO PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT I THINK THIS COMMISSION SHOULD TAKE A STAND ON. I THINK I PROBABLY ONLY HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT ONE OF THEM TODAY.

1 IS SB620 AND THE GOVERNOR VETOED IT.

THE IT I'M -- IT CAME BACK AND A DIFFERENT SENATOR IS BRINGING IT BACK. THE OTHER ONE LAST YEAR IS CALLED -- OH, I FORGOT THE NUMBER.

SORRY. THIS YEAR IT IS GOING TO BE SB360. IT IS A BILL THAT LAST YEAR SENATOR HUDSON BROUGHT IT IN AND IT WAS TO REDUCE THE WINDOW IN WHICH A HOMEOWNER COULD SUE A BUILDER FOR HIDDEN CONSTRUCTION FLAWS. REDUCING THAT WINDOW FROM 10 YEARS TO FIVE YEARS. THEY TRY TO COMPROMISE SEVEN YEARS AND IT STILL DIED IN COMMITTEE.

HE IS BRINGING IT BACK THIS YEAR AT THE SEVEN-YEAR WINDOW.

AND THE REASON I THINK IT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR THIS COMMISSION TO TAKE A POSITION ON THIS IS IN MAY YOU APPROVED 5600 HOMES FOR THAT DEVELOPER. I'M SURE THOSE HOMES AND ALL HOMES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY YOU WOULD WANT CONSTRUCTED WITH THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS.

WE ARE TALKING STATEWIDE. THIS IS A STATE BILL.

IF YOU WERE TO LOOK ON THE CLERK OF COURTS LAWSUITS RIGHT NOW, LOOK UP SOME OF THE BUILDERS. LOOK UP KB HOMES AND YOU WILL SEE HUNDREDS OF LAWSUITS. I THINK HE WANTS TO GET RID OF THESE LAWSUITS AND JUST MAKE IT EASIER FOR BUILDERS TO BASICALLY LOWER THE QUALITY. I KNOW THAT ORLANDO SENTINAL LAST YEAR SAID THAT IT IS ABOUT AS ANTI-CONSUMER AS WE GET.

THEY SAID SPECIFICALLY NORTH FLORIDA WHERE SILVER LEAF IS LOCATED. THEY APPLY STUCCO AND IF THEY DON'T DO IT PROPERLY THE WATER WILL PENETRATE.

IT DOESN'T SHOW UP UNTIL SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AFTER THE HOME IS BUILT. CONSTITUENTS ARE WELL VERSED.

THEY ARE ANGRY ABOUT IT. IF IT COMES BACK THEY WILL BE ANGRY YES, SIR. I DON'T -- ANGRIER.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS SHOTTY-BUILT HOMES.

WE ARE THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY ON SOME MEASURES.

LET'S BE THE HIGHEST KWAUPLT -- HIGHEST QUALITY OF HOMES IN THE STATE. LET'S SET A STANDARD AND TRY NOT TO LOWER THE STANDARDS. THIS IS SOME PUBLIC WAY THAT WILL ASK THE SENATOR TO WITHDRAW THE BILL.

THIS WILL BE A CAMPAIGN ISSUE FOR FUTURE ELECTIONS.

NOT FOR THE SENATOR. HE IS TERMING OUT.

SO IT IS NO SKIN OFF HIS BACK. IT MATTERS TO US AND IT MATTERS TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. I HOPE YOU WILL DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.

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>> GOOD MORNING. [INAUDIBLE].

I WANT TO THANK ALL OF Y'ALL COMMISSIONERS FOR MEETING WITH TRENT HOUSNER AND SCHEDULING MEETINGS WITH MR. RICK NORWOOD.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR RESTORING OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT DURING MEETINGS WHEN PEOPLE ARE STILL AROUND. OUR FLORIDA CONSTITUTION, U.S.

CONSTITUTION, THE FIRST AMENDMENT SPEAKERS NOT BE NEGLECTED. WHAT HAPPENED TO MR. ASNER? WHAT HAPPENED TO MR. NORWOOD, IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.

WHEN PEOPLE HAVE A CONCERN, SHE -- THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TALK TO COMMISSIONERS ABOUT IT. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS NO BUSINESS RUNNING INTERFERENCE AND TRYING TO TELL CITIZENS I ADVISED THE COMMISSIONERS NOT TO MEET WITH YOU.

THAT'S SO DISRESPECTFUL. KIND OF REMINDS ME OF WHAT JFK SAID ABOUT WASHINGTON, D.C. IN 1960.

HE SAID THE CITY OF NORTHERN CHARM AND SOUTHERN EFFICIENCY.

THAT'S KIND OF LIKE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

WHEN YOU CALL AND TRY TO TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT, OTHER THAN HENRY DEAN AND COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AND COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T RETURN YOUR CALLS AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T CARE.

WHAT HAPPENED TO MR. ASNER? THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WAS SET TO FRE HIM. HE SAID HE WASN'T GOING TO MEET WITH HIM. THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SAID HE WASN'T GOING TO MEET WITH HIM. WOULDN'T GIVE MR. ASNER THE TIME OF DAY. IT HAS BEEN SIX MONTHS SINCE HIS RESIGNATION. HE STOOD UP FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. HE TRIED TO ENFORCE OUR COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WITHOUT FEAR AND ENFORCING AS WRITTEN.

HE WAS TOLD BY SUPERVISION THAT THEY [INAUDIBLE] NEEDS INVESTIGATED CIVILLY AND CRIMINALLY.

AND ACTUALLYIED IT -- ACTUALLY SAID YOU ARE GOING TO SCARE OFF BY PRESERVING AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY.

I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MRR LISTENING MR. NORWOOD.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR A GOVERNMENT LIKE THAT.

I THINK FDR IN HIS PRE-NOMINATION SPEECH IN PHILADELPHIA IN 1976 AND I THINK MY MAMA WAS THERE IN FRANKLIN FIELD WHEN IT WAS GIVEN, HE TALKED ABOUT DANTE AND ABOUT HOW THE IMMORTAL DANTE BETTER A SENSE OF A GOVERNMENT THAT LISTENED TO PEOPLE THAN ONE FROZE EPBG IN THE ICE -- FROZEN IN THE ICE OF ITS OWN INDIFFERENCE.

YOU NEED TO TRIM BACK AND GIVE INSTRUCTIONS TO YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR NEVER AGAIN TO VIOLATE HUMAN RIGHTS THAT WAY AGAIN.

IT IS NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK. YOU WORK FOR US AND THEY NEED TO ALSO. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> DORIS TAYLOR, 208LABELIA ROAD. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

I'VE BEEN READING THINGS ON THE B WORK CC -- BOCC WEBSITE.

I MIGHT DIG INTO AREAS THAT PEOPLE NEVER LOOK.

UNFORTUNATELY I FIND SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DATA IS BURIED AND HARD TO FIND. THAT SHOULD BE FIXED.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REAL TRANSPARENCY AND THE PRETENSE OF TRANSPARENCY. ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOKED AT, FIRST I LOOKED AT THE POPULATION.

THIS IS FROM YOUR WEBSITE, FROM THE BCC WEBSITE.

THAT WAS 2020 AND THEN 2021 AND THEN 2022.

AND THE BCC WEBSITE SHOWS AN INCREASE OF 7% INCREASE FROM 20 TO 21. AND NEARLY 7% FROM 21 TO 22.

NOW, I TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND I READ THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS SPREADSHEET WHICH USES AN ANNUAL GROSS FACTOR OF BETWEEN 1 AND 2%. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY YOU WOULD DO THAT. IF YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY OUR ANNUAL GROWTH RATE OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IS CLOSER TO 7%.

SO I TOOK THAT 7% AND I APPLIED IT TO THE NUMBERS ON THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS WEB SHEET.

BEFORE I GET TO THAT I WANT TO MENTION THERE IS A TOTAL OF 207 STREET SEGMENTS LISTED HERE. AND OF THEM USING THE 7% LITERALLY 98 HIT CRITICAL OR DEFICIENT LIST USING THIS

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IF YOU LOOK AT THIS -- I'M JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH IT.

WHAT I DID WAS I ADDED A COUPLE OF COLUMNS USING THE 7% GROWTH RATE AND THIS WOULD BE 2023 AND 2024.

THIS IS NOW. AND REALLY THE PROJECTIONS THAT WERE SHOWN THERE ARE TRUE NEXT YEAR, NOT 10 YEARS FROM NOW OR EIGHT YEARS FROM NOW. SO I'M GONNA PROVIDE THIS TO YOU. THAT'S WHAT I DID.

I WANT TO SAY THAT THIS COUNTY IS USING THIS, GIVING THE DEVELOPERS THIS INFORMATION TO DEVELOP AND BASE THEIR PROJECTIONS ON. I LEARNED THAT FROM A DEVELOPER TWO DAYS AGO, AND IT IS IN HIS -- THIS IS REFERRED TO IN

THEIR DOCUMENTS. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> WELCOME. >> HELLO.

MY NAME IS BRIAN BEARD AND A PUBLIC SPECIALIST FOR SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION. JUST TRYING TO SPREAD THE WORD TO EVERYONE TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS AWARE OF THE ASSISTANCE AVAILABLE AFTER HURRICANES [INAUDIBLE] AND NICOLE. WE WORK ALONGSIDE FEMA AND PROVIDE LOW-INTEREST LONG-TERM LOANS TO HOMEOWNERS, RENTERS AND BUSINESSES WHO HAVE HAD DAMAGE FROM THE HURRICANES AND WE ALSO AFFORD SMALL BUSINESSES AND NONPROFITS FOR ECONOMIC INJURY LOANS FOR ANY BUSINESS THAT MAY HAVE HAD A DROP IN SALES EVEN IF THEY HAD NO PHYSICAL DAMAGE. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS, THE DEADLINE FOR APPLYING FOR LOANS FOR PHYSICAL DAMAGE FROM HURRICANE NICOLE IS COMING UP ON FEBRUARY 13TH.

WE ALSO HAVE A 15-DAY GRACE PERIOD.

THE ULTIMATE DEADLINE IS FEBRUARY 28TH.

I WANTED TO ASK FOR YOUR HELP OF WHAT IS AVAILABLE.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO GET THE WORD OUT.

WE WILL TRY TO GET THE WORD OUT TO ANYONE WHO HAS MADE REPAIRS TO THEIR HOME. WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THESE LOANS HAVE A LOW INTEREST RATE OF 2.3% FOR HOMEOWNERS AND 3.3% FOR BUSINESSES. THERE IS NO COST TO APPLY.

IF YOU ARE OFFERED A LOAN, YOU HAVE TWO MONTHS TO DECIDE.

IT IS OPTIONAL IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT THE FIRST YEAR WITH NO INTEREST OR PAYMENTS. YOU CAN GET A LOAN UP TO $25,000. IT IS QUICK TO PROCESS.

ALSO EVEN IF YOUR INSURANCE IS COVERING MOST OF YOUR DAMAGE AND IF YOU HAVE A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE YOU CAN GET A LOAN FOR THE DEDUCTIBLE AMOUNT AND ADD ANOTHER 20% OF THE TOTAL DAMAGE ESTIMATE ON TO THAT FOR MITIGATION TO PREVENT FUTURE DAMAGE WHICH IS THE ADVANTAGE. THERE IS CURRENTLY A -- THE DISASTER RECOVERY CENTER IT WAS CLOSED DOWN AND WE HAVE ONE AVAILABLE AT DAYTONA BEACH THAT IS AVAILABLE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY 9 TO 6 SO PEOPLE CAN GO IN PERSON TO GET ASSISTANCE THERE TO HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED BY FEMA AND THE SBA AND APPLY FOR A LOAN AND I WILL MAKE AVAILABLE TO YOU AND SEND YOU SOME DOCUMENTS AND AN 800 NUMBER THAT PEOPLE CAN CALL AND CHECK ON THE STATUS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR, FOR THAT

INFORMATION. >> GOOD MORNING.

IT STILL IS MORNING, RIGHT? I AM JUDY AND I LIVE AT 101 GREEN WILLOW LANE IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

I AM JUST HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF AND NOT MY HOA TODAY, BUT I AM SPEAKING RASHING BELLA TERRA PUD THAT WAS JUST PUT ON THE DOCKET I AM NOT SURE IF IT IS THE NEXT MEETING OR THE ONE AFTER THAT. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU. YOU HAVE BEEN MORE THAN WELCOMING AND RESPECTFUL. I HAVE MET WITH ALMOST ALL OF

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THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME AND I HAD NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING AND EVERYBODY HAS BEEN WONDERFUL SO I WANTED TO THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS ONE COMMENT TODAY.

THIS PROCESS IS SO NEW THAT WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT IT FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. AS HOMEOWNERS WITH PA -- WITH A BIG DEVELOPMENT COMING INTO NEXT TO US OUR EMOTIONS GET STIRRED UP, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FROM OUR EMOTIONS.

WE WANT TO SPEAK OF THE FACTS OF THE SITUATION.

AT THE CLOSE OF THE MEETING ON DECEMBER 6TH, COMMENTS WERE MADE BY SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS.

I WENT AHEAD AND TOOK DOWN THE TRANSCRIPTS OF COMMENTS -- OF THOSE COMMENTS SO I CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU ARE THINKING AND LOOKING FOR. COMMISSIONER DEAN, YOU MADE A COMMENT. WE DEFINITELY AS A COUNTY NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE DISCUSSED IT FOR YEARS.

WE HAVE ENTRY-LEVEL PUBLIC WORKERS AND SERVICE WORKERS AND WORKERS WHO NEED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU GUYS. AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT. AND THEN COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, YOUR COMMENT WAS I KNOW WE NEED THIS TYPE OF INVENTORY ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE EXACT RIGHT SITE FOR THIS AND I THINK 240 IS A BIT OF A HIGH NUMBER. I AGREE.

AND I ALSO DIDN'T SEE A PREFERENCE FOR POTENTIAL WORKFORCE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SOMETHING WE CAN CHAT ABOUT. I AM NOT TRYING TO ASSUME THAT YOU HAVEN'T CHATTED ABOUT THE DEVELOPER.

I JUST DON'T KNOW. I WAS PRIVY TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS. WE HAD A MEETING WITH MR. BURNETT OF ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP ON NOVEMBER 30TH AND HE SAID THIS WAS GOING TO BE HIGH END RENTAL.

IT IS CALLED LIVE VIVA ST. AUGUSTINE.

THEY ARE SEALING -- THEY ARE SELLING THIS AS HIGH END.

HE SAID THEY WOULD BE ABOVE MARKET RATE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE MARKETING THIS AS AFFORDABLE AND REASONABLE HOUSING. I BELIEVE THIS IS INTENDED TO BE HIGH END AND BRINGING AS MUCH MONEY FOR THE DEVELOPER AS POSSIBLE. NOT TRYING TO CORRECT YOU.

I'M JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND YOU CAN SEE OUR PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.

WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> WELCOME BACK.

>> THANK YOU. >> HELLO AGAIN. MCANERNY.

JUST WANT TO TAKE THREE MINUTES HERE AND TALK ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] BY THE BOOK. THE BOOK IS YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT SOME EXAMPLES. IF I CAN.

SO YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES START -- STARTS WITH ARTICLE 1, PURPOSE AND INTENT. IF YOU READ ALL THAT FINE PRINT IT DOES SAY THAT THE COUNTY WILL REVIEW ALL PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND WILL GIVE CONSIDERATION TO THE INTERESTS OF THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND THEN WHEN YOU GET INTO SPECIFICS ARTICLE 4, GENERALLY IT DOES SAY THAT A DECISION BY ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS DEPENDENT ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE CITIZENS OF ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY. THERE WAS AN APPLICATION SUBMITTED FOR CLEARING AND GRADING FOR A PERMIT AND THE COUNTY STAFF, BLESS THEIR HEARTS, SAID, WHERE IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN? EXCELLENT COMMENT.

IN FACT, YOU CAN READ THAT AGAIN IN THE FINE PRINT.

PLEASE PROVIDE FURTHER INFORMATION AS TO THE INTENT OF CLEARING THE REMAINDER OF THAT PROPERTY, IN RED, AS THERE IS CURRENTLY NO DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS APPROVED OR CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW FOR THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SUBJECT LOT.

FURTHER, THE PREVIOUS APPROVED PROJECT DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL AREAS NOW PROPOSED FOR CLEARING. AND SO THERE WAS SOMETHING APPROVED FOR THE BLUE AND NOT FOR THE RED.

THE QUESTION, WHERE IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS.

WAS EXCELLENT. THE APPLICANT CAME SAYING -- CAME FORWARD SAYING WE NEED TO BALANCE WORK AND ADDITIONAL LAY DOWN AREA. I WON'T DISPUTE THAT.

THEY WERE PROFESSIONALS. I AM NOT DISPUTING THAT.

BY THE BOOK THAT HAPPENED AND BECAUSE OF THAT ASSERTION, A CLEARING AND GRADING PERMIT WAS ISSUED.

BY THE WAY, BY THE BOOK, NO PUBLIC NOTICE TO NEIGHBORS WAS REQUIRED AND NOR ISSUED. THE LDC IS TO PROTECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY.

HERE IS PROPERTY BEFORE THE GRADING -- I SHOULD SAY BEFORE

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SO THAT WAS BY THE BOOK. I -- BY THE BOOK -- OOPS.

WHAT HAPPENED HERE? SOME WILL SAY THAT EVERYTHING WAS DONE BY THE BOOK TO WHICH I SAY IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THE BOOK. IT IS TIME FOR US TO LOOK CLOSE AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MCANERNY. >> WELCOME.

>> RON JOSEPH, 1097. I WANT TO SAY I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE OF MARSH LANDING.

I AM IMPRESSED WITH THEIR SPEAKING BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A MARSH. I DO LIVE IN MARSH LANDING ALSO.

I AM NOT PART OF THIS ORGANIZED PRESENTATION, BUT I HAVE -- IT COMES TO ME THAT IT IS A SHAME THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE HAD ORGANIZED THEIR LIVES AND SPEND TIME AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND DEAL WITH [INAUDIBLE] PATHOLOGIC INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE LITIGATED THIS FOR YEARS. MARSH LANDING IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. IT IS A GREAT PLACE TO BRING UP OUR KIDS AND I THINK THE LITIGANTS HAVE COMPLETELY RUINED THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE POND AND OF THE LAND THAT WE MOVED IN THERE AND WE KNEW IT WAS A MARSH.

WE KNEW IT FLOODED. THAT'S WHY IT IS CALLED A MARSH.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> BJ WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

VOTERS, PLEASE CONTINUE TO BE INFORMED.

NONPROFITS DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT PAY SALES TAX.

HOW TO S-E-L-L RAISING OUR SALES TAX IS BEING STUDIED.

EVEN WITHOUT A COMPUTER OR S*EFF THESE OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS, INFORMATION COMES TO ME AND SO I LIKE TO PASS IT ON WHEN IT COMES TO ME. THAT'S ABOUT THE SALES TAX.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT COMMISSIONER ALAIMO WORKED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT SO HIS ADDRESS IS CONFIDENTIAL WHICH IS FINE.

HOWEVER, THE QUESTION REMAINS, DOES COMMISSIONER ALAIMO HAVE AN ADDRESS IN DISTRICT 3 WHICH COMMISSIONER WALDRON HAD? I WILL CONTINUE TO ASK THIS QUESTION.

YOU KNOW ME? I AM KIND OF PERSISTENT.

DISTRICT 5 AS WELL AS DISTRICT 3 IS UP FOR ELECTION IN 2024.

COMMISSIONER DEAN AND COMMISSIONER ALAIMO BOTH LIVE IN DISTRICT 5 AS FAR AS WE KNOW FOR NOW.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MR. -- NO, SORRY, NOT MR. DEAN.

MAYBE ONE DAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO MR. DUNN. HE DID COME DOWN AND THE CORRECT AMOUNT THAT WE, ALL OF THE GENERAL TAXPAYERS, HAVE PAID FOR THE LAND ACQUISITION IS 6.5 MILLION AND NOT 8.

SO IF YOU SUBTRACT 8 FROM 6.5 YOU HAVE 1.5 LEFT OVER.

LET'S THINK FOR A MINUTE. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT GOES FOR ROADS. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION WHICH I LIKE TO GIVE FOR FREE. AND ALSO GOD BLESS THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN HERE BEFORE, REALLY AND TRULY.

WE SIT UP -- YOU SIT UP THERE AND WE SIT DOWN THERE.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND YOU TRY TO HELP THEM AND THEY STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.

THEY TRIED THEIR BEST THOUGH. CONSENT NUMBER 3, THESE THREE INDIVIDUALS CAME UP BEFORE YOU AND THEY SAID PLEASE DECIDE -- PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA. PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA IS WHAT THEY ASKED AND THEY WERE RUSHING OUT THE DOOR AND I RUSHED AFTER THEM. A LOT OF PEOPLE COME UP HERE, MYSELF INCLUDED AND WE ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER. REMEMBER THAT, FOLKS, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO ANSWER. SOMETIMES THEY DO ANSWER.

DIFFERENT PEOPLE. SO THE PEOPLE ARE STILL HERE AND MAYBE YOU WILL ANSWER THEM. IF NOT, THEY CAN GO HOME AND COME BACK ANOTHER TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> . -- THANK YOU.

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>> GOOD MORNING. SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE. GENTLEMEN AND LADIES, THERE IS A PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTY AND IT IS OVERSTRESSED INFRASTRUCTURE.

BEFORE YOU KEEP APPROVING AND LETTING THESE DEVELOPERS THAT KNOW THE LOOPHOLES AND THE LOOPHOLES WITH YOUR STAFF KEEP IMPROVING STUFF, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY OVERSTRESSED. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU AS A BOARD NEED TO ADDRESS, NOT PASS IT ON LIKE IT HAS BEEN PASSED ON. GOD BLESS AND HAVE A GREAT DAY.

[Commissioners’ Reports]

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MADAM VICE CHAIR. WE ARE ON TO COMMISSIONER REPORTS. COMMISSIONER ALAIMO?

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE FOLKS WHO CAME BY AND VOICED THEIR CONCERNS.

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS ARE. SO I WILL KEEP IT BRIEF AND I AGAIN WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR ALL OF THE HELP AND THE ADVICE. IT HAS BEEN A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, AND IT HAS BEEN A TRICKLE OUT OF A FIRE HOSE, AS THEY SAY, BUT THE STAFF HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE AND I APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ALAIMO.

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> I HAVE ONE ITEM I WANT TO BRING UP FOR CONSIDERATION THIS MORNING.

IT IS STILL MORNING. GREAT.

I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND HIS CONTRACT, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS APPROVED IN 2021, MAYBE 2020, BUT I AM NOT SURE IF I KNOW -- I KNOW SEVERAL OF YOU WERE NOT ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME AND MAYBE IF -- MAYBE YOU WERE, CHRISTIAN, BUT IT WAS FOR A TIME CERTAIN OF JUNE OF 2023.

AND IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO THINK ABOUT CONSIDERING DISCUSSIONS NOW RATHER THAN IN JUNE WITH REGARD TO HIS CONTRACT AND SO WITH THAT SAID I WOULD SUGGEST, AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE NEED CONSENSUS OR A MOTION OR JUST FOR CONSIDERATION THAT WE START ENTERTAINING THE THOUGHT OF LOOKING AT A ACTION ON HIS CONTRACT EVEN THOUGH IT DOES NOT COME UP UNTIL JUNE. JUNE WILL BE HERE BEFORE WE KNOW IT, TRUST ME. I DON'T WANT TO BE -- AS ONE COMMISSIONER, I DON'T WANT TO BE SITTING HERE IN SORT OF LIMBO WHILE WE ARE IN A PERIOD WHERE SEVERAL THINGS COULD HAPPEN SOUT OF OUR CONTROL DASHING -- COULD HAPPEN OUT OF OUR CONTROL THAT WOULD LEAVE US IN A STATE OF CONFUSION, LET'S SAY, AS TO WHO IS LEADING THE PARADE HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. MR. CONRAD HAS INDICATED HIS INTEREST IN ADDRESSING THIS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

MY SUGGESTION IS, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST IS THAT WE -- AND THE WAY WE HANDLE THE CONTRACT AT LEAST IN THE PAST IS THAT THE CHAIRMAN SITS DOWN WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND DISCUSSES AND NEGOTIATES A PROPOSED CONTRACT RENEWAL THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT BACK TO US FOR APPROVAL FOR AMENDMENT OR DENIAL. HISTORICALLY THE CHAIRMAN WOULD NEGOTIATE AND DISCUSS WITH MR. CONRAD AND BRING IT TO US FOR CONSIDERATION. I THINK THAT COVERS EVERYTHING.

HUNTER, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING?

DID I LEAVE ANYTHING OUT? >> FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE BOARD AND FOR ANYBODY ELSE, THE CONTRACT DOES TECH -- TECHNICALLY EXPIRE IN DECEMBER, BUT IN JUNE THE TIMELINE COMES UP. TO CLARIFY THAT YOU ARE RIGHT.

JUNE IS WHEN DISCUSSION WILL BE FORCED UPON THE BOARD IN SOME CAPACITY. SO IT ALIGNS WITH WHAT YOU SAY, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE.

YOU CLEARED IT UP. >> THAT'S MY REQUEST.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN, DO WE NEED TO GET BOARD CONSENSUS TO

NEGOTIATE A NEW CONTRACT? >> I RECOMMEND A MOTION IF THAT'S THE BOARD'S WILL. TO AUTHORIZE AND DISCUSS NEGOTIATIONS. AS YOU KNOW YOU CANNOT TALK ABOUT THIS OUTSIDE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS AND SO THE CHAIR WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING.

>> SO THE OUTCOME OF THE NEGOTIATION WOULD THEN COME BACK

FOR APPROVAL? >> I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS IS HERE

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I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW.

IS HE AFRAID OF SOMETHING? LAY IT ON THE TABLE.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. DO YOU, CHAIRMAN?

>> HAPPY TO RESPOND. THE ONLY TIMELINE IS JUNE.

THE BOARD CAN DECIDE NOW OR IN MARCH, APRIL, MAY OR JUNE.

IT HAS TO BE BY JUNE. IT IS LEAST RELIGHT -- LEAST RELATED TO THE BOARD. NOBODY HAS BEEN THREATENED AND EACH MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION AND THE PREVIOUS 9 HAS WORKED WELL. NO THREATS BY THIS MEMBER OF THE BOARD AND IT IS SIMPLY A MATTER OF TIMING.

IT CAN BE DONE NOW OR IN A MATTER OF A FEW MONTHS.

>> WHY WOULD WE DELAY SOMETHING THAT IS INEVITABLE? THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WE CAN TALK.

>> NO. I KNOW.

I JUST WAS THINKING ABOUT HOW -- I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HERE HAS NO ISSUE BECAUSE IT SEEMS WEIRD HE IS WORRIED ABOUT SOMETHING -- THAT'S ALL.

>> THANK YOU. I DON'T -- YOU KNOW, I THINK GETTING THE CONVERSATION STARTED EARLY MAKES SENSE AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS THE ONLY TIME WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY DISCUSS THINGS. I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY PUT IT ON THE TABLE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

SO I WILL OFFER A MOTION. I KNOW YOU BROUGHT IT UP.

>> I WOULD SUGGEST A MOTION FIRST AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THE MOTION IS VOTED ON. EITHER WAY.

BUT PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD HAPPEN BEFORE ACTION IS TAKEN BY THIS

BOARD. >> WHY DON'T WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL SEE IF THERE IS A MOTION ON THE BOARD.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> F SLAVEN. I SUGGEST WE VOTE DOWN THE MOTION. IT IS PREMATURE.

IT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. JUST LIKE IN 2020, IN JANUARY OF 2020 THE ONLY ITEM ON THE AGENDA THEN WAS FOR A NATIONAL SEARCH.

AND THEY DECIDED TO HIRE WITHOUT A SEARCH AND A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION AND WITHOUT A REFERENCE CHECK AND WITHOUT CHECKING WITH THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS AND LOOKING INTO THE CASE WHERE MR. CONRAD WAS NAMED AS AN UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR IN THE CASE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA VERSUS DONALD DONAGER, JUNIOR.

THE PROCESS WAS SHORT CIRCUITED. WE GOT NO EEO SEARCH, NO WOMEN CONSIDERED, NO COUNTY EMPLOYEES CONSIDERED.

ABSOLUTELY VIOLATION OF EVERY REASONABLE PROVISION OF DUE PROCESS. AND JUST AS FELIX SAYS, THE HISTORY OF LIBERTY AMERICA IS A HISTORY OF PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS. EVERY COUNTY EMPLOYEE WHO WANTS TO APPLY FOR THE JOB OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND EVERY CITIZEN WHO WANTS TO APPLY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR THAT JOB NOW. HE SHOT -- HE SHOULD NOT BE DUPED INTO IT AGAIN. ONE OF THE CURRENT COMMISSIONERS APPEARED BEFORE THE BCC, -BGS BEFORE HE WAS COMMISSIONER -- BEFORE THE BCC, BEFORE HE WAS COMMISSIONER IN 2020 AND HE SAID WE DON'T NEED AN AN NATIONAL SEARCH.

IF THERE WAS A NATIONAL SEARCH MAYBE WE WOULD HIRE SOMEBODY WHO WOULDN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HASTINGS AND UPON TAU VEE -- AND PONTA VEDRA. THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE.

THIS IS GOOD OLD BOY POLITICS. THIS IS POLITICAL PATRONAGE.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE HIRED MR. CONRAD IN THE FIRST PLACE.

HE HAS NOT BEEN A GOOD COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

HE IS UNJUST STEWARD OF THE RIGHTS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

I THINK WHAT HE IS NERVOUS ABOUT IS THE INSPEC -- INSPECTOR GENERAL REPORT. I THINK WHEN WE GET THAT REPORT IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO TOUCH UPON WHAT SOME OF THE WITNESSES HAVE SAID WHICH IS THAT MR. RON -- MR. CONRAD WANTED MRS OF EDUCATION. AFTER EARNING THE JOB AS

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DIDN'T HAVE A RED FOLDER. DIDN'T HAVE A SUMMARY OF QUALIFICATIONS. YOU HIRED HR THAT DAY.

BCC IS SUPPOSED TO CONFIRM PEOPLE.

BCC IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A GROUP OF LAP DOGS.

AND IF YOU GIVE MR. CONRAD ANOTHER CONTRACT YOU WILL TELL THE PEOPLE THAT AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND THAT WOMEN AND MINORITIES, THAT NO ONE WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR A JOB BECAUSE WE DON'T BELIEVE IN EEO. WE DON'T BELIEVE IN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. WE DON'T BELIEVE IN NONDISCRIMINATION. WE BELIEVE IN PERPETUATING WHITE SUPREMACY. DON'T DO THIS.

THIS IS WRONG. PLEASE VOTE NO.

>> THANK YOU, MR. SLATER. >> THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

INTERESTING THAT THIS IS BROUGHT UP.

I HAVE IN MY HAND A COPY OF HIS CONTRACT THAT I OBTAINED.

ON PAGE 3 ARTICLE 3 AND TERM AND RENEWAL.

THIS IS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON AS BEST AS YOU CAN. I HAVEN'T READ THE WHOLE THING.

THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ASKING QUESTIONS.

MAY NOT BE ASKING YOU, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER.

TERM -- THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT WILL BE EFFECTIVE ON FEBRUARY 4TH, 2020. EFFECTIVE DATE.

THROUGH AND UNTIL DECEMBER 31, 2023, EXPIRATION DATE.

UNLESS RENEWED OR EARLIER TERMINATED AS PROVIDED HERE IN.

I AM NUMBER 2 ON THE SAME PAGE, 3.

THIS AGREEMENT WILL BE RENEWED FOR AN ADDITIONAL TERM OF TWO YEARS AND RENEWED TERM UPON MUTUAL CONSENT OF THE PARTIES.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO ON AND READ THE REST OF THIS, BUT I THINK LEGALLY AS BEST I CAN UNDERSTAND IN TALKING WITH SOME PEOPLE IS YOU CAN BRING THIS THING UP, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS IN JULY.

SORRY, MR. DEAN. YOU MAY BE RIGHT.

IT IS JUNE OR JULY. AND THEN YOU ALL CAN DISCUSS IT.

BUT BRINGING THESE THINGS AT THE END OF A MEETING AND SURPRISING PEOPLE NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC, BUT THE GENERAL PEOPLE SITTING UP THERE WITH YOU, AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER AND ALL OF THIS KIND OF STUFF. I DON'T KNOW WHY MR. DEAN BROUGHT IT UP NOW, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE AWARE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE, NOT JUST YOU FIVE, THAT ARE LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS COUNTY, AND WHETHER MR. HY -- MR. HUNTER IS KEPT OR NOT, IS THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE REPORT -- AND THE RESPECT FOR THE COMMUNITY WHO MAY NOT KNOW EVERYTHING AND MAY NOT BE ATTORNEYS, BUT SHOULD HAVE THE RESPECT AND THE TREATMENT THAT YOU ALL GIVE SOME PEOPLE.

I AM NOT SAYING THE STAFF, BUT YOUR PROCEDURE HERE IS JUST REALLY -- IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WERE TREATED ONE WAY AND OTHERS ARE TREATED ANOTHER WAY.

I'M GLAD I GOT THIS IN MY HAND AND I HOPE YOU DO WHAT YOU NEED TO BE DONE. WHETHER HE STAYS OR GOES IS NOT MY PROBLEM OR MY CONCERN REALLY. IT IS HOW THIS IS BEING HANDLED TO BE BROUGHT UP AND THE MEETING IS ALMOST OVER WITH.

>> THANK YOU. >> DORIS TAYLOR.

208LABELIO ROAD. I URGE YOU TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL JUNE OR WHENEVER. I URGE THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER OTHER PEOPLE FOR THE JOB. I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT THE QUALIFICATIONS AND THE PERFORMANCE OF THIS MAN IN HIS POSITION, AND I THINK THAT THE COUNTY OF ST. AUGUSTINE DESERVES FOR YOU TO GET THE BEST PERSON POSSIBLE INTO THAT JOB.

SO I THINK AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE SHOULD BE INTERVIEWED. I THINK THE RESIDENTS OF ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY SHOULD BE ALERTED THAT THE POSITION IS UP FOR CONSIDERATION. I THINK IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL TO TRY RE-UP HIS CONTRACT BEFORE ANYBODY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT HE IS THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB, BUT HOW WOULD WE KNOW? APPARENTLY NOBODY HAS LOOKED INTO IT PLEASE DO THAT ON BEHALF

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DO NOT ACT ON THIS SO EARLY. IT IS JUST NOT RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. ANYMORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS

FROM THE BOARD? >> WELL, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS.

OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH CONRAD AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL

BY THE BOARD. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND JUST A POINT OF DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE, I HAVEN'T HEARD WHAT THE BENEFIT OF WAS PROCRASTINATING ON THIS UNTIL JUNE.

IT IS UPON US IN JUNE. THE OUTCOME OF THE NEGOTIATIONS WILL COME BEFORE THE BOARD. AGAIN, THE REASONS FOR DELAYING THIS WERE NOT EXPRESSED SO I'M GOING TO BE VOTING YES.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> MR. CHAIR, AS THE BOARD'S ATTORNEY I WANT TO CLARIFY, THE BOARD HAS CERTAIN RIGHTS THAT THEY MUST EXERCISE BY 180 DAYS BEFORE.

SO IF THE BOARD WAITS UNTIL JUNE, IT MAY LOSE SOME OF ITS RIGHTS. I WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER TO NOT JEOPARDIZE THE BOARD'S LEVERAGE ON THE CONTRACT. ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU DECIDE IS UP TO YOU ALL. IT WOULD BE TOUGH TO WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MOMENT. SO LEGAL ADVICE ON THE ISSUE OF

WAITING UNTIL JUNE VERSUS NOW. >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. PLEASE VOTE.

IT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. I COULD MAKE A LOT OF COMMENTS, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING, IF BE INTERVIEW OTHER CANDIDATES FOR THIS PROCESS, I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW I CANNOT THINK OF ONE INSTANCE WHERE A CITY OR COUNTY COMMISSION INTERVIEWED OTHER CAN'T -- CANDIDATES IN THE RENEWAL OF A CURRENT CONTRACT. CERTAINLY IF WE WENT OUT FOR A NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IT WOULD BE MY HOPE THAT WE WOULD ENTERTAIN INTERVIEWS. I CAN THINK OF NO PRECEDENCE WHERE -- THE ISSUE HERE IS WHETHER WE HAVE NEGOTIATIONS NOW OR IN JUNE AND NOT WHETHER WE INTERVIEWED 10, 20, 30 CANDIDATES. I WANT TO CLARIFY MY POSITION WITH RESPECT TO THOSE SUGGESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH,

YOUR REPORT? >> SO, I DID THE LAND CLEARING PRESENTATION -- IT IS SOMETHING I BELIEVE NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.

I WILL LOOK AT THAT DOWN THE ROAD.

FOR TODAY, I ALWAYS HAVE A CITIZENS THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND IT IS HEATHER BUCHANAN. SHE IS A WOMAN THAT LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WANTED TO KNOW WHO HER NEIGHBORS WERE.

THERE WAS A VETERAN -- THERE IS A VETERAN WHO HAS PTSD AND HE DOESN'T LIKE TO OPEN HIS MAIL. SHE FOUND BY JUST TALKING TO HIM HE HAD A LIEN ON HIS HOME BY THE HOA FOR $700 AND THEY WERE GOING TO FORECLOSE ON HIS HOME. SHE WAS TALKING TO HER NEIGHBORS AND MAKING SURE HE WAS ALL RIGHT IT IS VERY NICE TO KNOW THAT SHE HAS BASICALLY SAVED HIS HOUSE AND HIS LIFE BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW WHO OUR NEIGHBORS ARE AND KEEP TRACK OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

THAT'S HEATHER BUCHANAN AND I WANTED TO CALL HER OUT.

SHE IS IN MY DISTRICT. AND LASTLY, THIS WEEKEND IS THE RUN FOR THE FALLEN. SO IT IS A 170-MILE RUN THAT STARTS IN TALLAHASSEE AND FINISHES IN JACKSONVILLE, AND THEY REPRESENT A THOUSAND HEROS. EVERY MILE THERE IS A HERO.

SO JUST TO TELL YOU THAT IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WE HAVE 2 HEROS.

ONE IS MY SON, CHARLIE. HE IS GOING TO BE ON FEBRUARY 11TH AT MARKER 2067 AND HIS NAME IS CHARLES KEETING AND HE WAS A NAVY SEAL. AND FROM ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS MR. PLANT. HE WAS -- HE ACTUALLY DIED A YEAR AGO, AND HIS FAMILY IS GOING TO BE AT HIS MARKER, AND THAT IS ON FEBRUARY 12TH. I'M NOT SURE THE MARKER NUMBER.

THAT'S AT 1 P.M. SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY RUN TO THE MARKER AND THEY CALL OUT THEIR NAME AND THEIR FAMILY WILL BE STANDING THERE WITH THEIR PICTURE.

THEY ARE DOING THIS FOR A THOUSAND ON EVERY MILE FROM TALLAHASSEE TO JACKSONVILLE. JUST REMEMBER, THERE IS PEOPLE WHO SACRIFICE THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AS WELL AS PEOPLE

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>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A NEWS ARTICLE THAT CAME OUT OVER THE WEEKEND. OUR NEIGHBORS OVER IN MARION COUNTY ANNOUNCED THAT THEY HAD LOST TWO FIRST RESPONDERS TO SUICIDE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF 19 DAYS.

I KNOW THAT WE FELT SIMILAR PAIN HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

IT IS CERTAINLY NOT UNIQUE TO OUR HOME AND IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO ADDRESS AND EVALUATE.

I JUST WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND ONCE AGAIN THANK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR SUPPORT IN CREATING OUR MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS HERE.

I THINK IT WILL REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO COMMENT ON, LIKE MANY OF YOU, I WAS RELIEVED TO SEE MR. FUCCI'S GUILTY PLEA BEING ENTERED TODAY AND THEY HAD TO RELIVE ALL OF THAT TRAUMA AND I WANTED TO SEND OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS TO THE BAILEY FAMILY.

OUR HEARTS ARE WITH YOU AND MY HEART IS WITH YOU AND THE HEARTS OF THE COUNTY IS WITH THE BAILEY FAMILY.

I ASK EVERYBODY PRAY FOR THEM DURING THIS TIME.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. I'M GLAD WE HAD A LOT OF TIME TODAY TO DISCUSS TRANSPORTATION NEEDS IN THE COUNTY THAT CAME UP IN SPITE OF THE SHORT AGENDA. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORANGE CONES ALL OVER THE COUNTY THERE ARE SEVERAL PROJECTS UNDERWAY THAT WILL UPGRADE AND ENHANCE THE SAFETY OF OUR ROADWAYS.

SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED AT HOLMES BOULEVARD, A ROADWAY TRAVELED BY THE PARENTS, STAOEFPERS AND STUDENTE STUDENTS. AND WE ARE PROVIDING TRAFFIC RELIEF AT 312 AND TO THE NORTH WE ARE CURRENTLY WIDENING AND UPGRADING AND IMPROVING COUNTY ROAD 210 FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES. IT WILL HAVE BIKE LANES AND SIDEWALKS AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE DESPERATELY NEED.

2023 IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK BIG ABOUT OUR TRANSPORTATION FUTURE. I WOULD LIKE TO GET BOARD CONSENSUS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE STAFF TO COORDINATE WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION AND OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION AND THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FDOT TO PLAN A TRANSPORTATION EVENT INCLUDING A SUITABLE LOCATION AND FORMAT. THIS EVENT WOULD HIGHLIGHT OUR TRANSPORTATION PRIORITIES AND OUR NEEDS AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD HELP US BRING STATE AND FEDERAL RESOURCES BACK TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TO SOLVE THESE TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGES WE ARE FACED WITH. CAN WE GET BOARD CONSENSUS TO KIND OF PUT THAT EVENT TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN HIGHLIGHT THE NEEDS AND TRY AND SOLICIT FUNDING?

>> EXCELLENT. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. I AM SEEING CONSENSUS.

>> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL

HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I WANT TO SAY IT IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA. IT IS ALL OVER THE COUNTY.

I GAVE YOU TWO THUMBS UP AND I KNOW IT DIDN'T GO ON THE RECORD,

BUT HERE YOU GO. >> DORIS TAYLOR, 208LOBELIA ROAD THANK YOU. PLEASE, DO THAT TIMES 10.

AND ALSO STOP DEVELOPING MORE PROPERTIES UNTIL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS FIXED. CAN'T WAIT.

AND I RECENTLY HAVEN'T HEARD THE ARGUMENT THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THE ROADS WORSE -- WE HAVE TO MAKE THE TRAFFIC WORSE SO THAT WE CAN GET DOT TO HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

PLEASE CONTINUE DO THAT. IT IS GONNA GET WORSE.

YOU HAVE ALREADY APPROVED WAY TOO MANY PROJECTS AND IT IS GOING TO BE BIZ -- DISMAL BEFORE THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO ADDRESS IT. WE KNOW ALL THAT.

NO. WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE IT WORSE SO THE DOT WILL FIX THINGS. PLEASE.

THAT'S THE ONLY ARGUMENT I HEARD FROM THAT DEVELOPER THAT I TALKED TO THE OTHER DAY. HE'S LIKE, I'M NOT THE BAD GUY.

I SAID, WAIT A MINUTE. IF YOU DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE WHICH HE WAS FLYING IN AND IT COST HIM A LOT OF MONEY.

YOU DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE. I WILL MAKE ME THE INVESTOR.

IF I DO MY DUE DILIGENCE ON A PROJECT AND SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME TO DO IT AND IN THE PROCESS I FIND OUT THAT I'M GONNA HARM ALL OF THE PEOPLE AROUND MY PROJECT AND THEN I DO IT ANYWAY, I HAVE BECOME THE BAD GUY.

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HE KNOWS THIS. HE IS GONNA GO FORWARD AND HE WILL TRY TO GO FORWARD ANYWAY. IF YOU GO ALONG WITH IT, YOU ARE THE BAD GUY TOO. THANK YOU.

>> IT IS KIND OF LIKE THE LATE [INAUDIBLE] THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR FLORIDA. AND HE TURNS TO ME AND SAYS IF YOU HAVE A SEWAGE PIPE DUMPING IN YOUR BACKYARD WOULD YOU MAKE IT BIGGER? WE ARE SPENDING WAY TOO MUCH MONEY ON TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS WHEN THE DEVELOPER SHOULD BE MAKING THAT. AND WE NEED TO INTERNALIZE THE EXTERNAL COST OF DEVELOPMENT AND WE ARE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB.

WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF LOBBYING TALLAHASSEE AND WASHINGTON TO HELP US WITH THESE PROBLEMS. INSTEAD WE HAVE A CRUMMY LOBBYIST AND WE HAVE NOW A 9-PAGE LEGISLATIVE -- AND A PLAN.

FOR THE RECORD I WANT TO NOTE THAT THE MEETING WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS GONNA HAVE MR. WHITEHURST IS A SUNSHINE MEETING AND THE PRECEDENT WAS ESTABLISHED WHEN MR. CON REGARD WAS HIRED -- MR. CONRAD WAS HIRED.

THEY HAVE NEGOTIATED A CONTRACT AND THEREFORE A MEETING IS A SUNSHINE MEETING AND NEEDS TO BE PROPERLY NOTICED AND I WILL BE

THERE. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> SO WE HAVE BOARD CON CENSUS -- BOARD

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