Feb 02, 2023 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order]

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>> READY? >> SORRY ABOUT THAT.

>> HI, I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, LET'S ALL STAND FOR THE PLEDPLEDGE OF AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL.." >> MADAM VICE CHAIR, WOULD YOU

PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE. >> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICE THE PUB HEARING. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THE INJURES KICKS AND OFFER COMMENT ADD A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD.

SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED INTO STAFF. THE PUBLIC SHALL SFE AT A TIME DURING A MEETING ON EACH ITEM FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH IS 3 MINUTES. SPEAKERS MAY

OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. >> IF THEY DO NOT, THE TESTIMONY NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE ATTORNEY.

SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTAL EVIDENCE PRESENTED TOURING CAN THE HEARING WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR THE OTHER THE EXCUSE ME, THE BOARD OR THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OF APPEAL RELICT TO THE ITEM. BOARD MEMBER ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE AN INFORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD THEN IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMOTION. THE STABILITY CLAUSE, WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE AND DIRECT ALL

[Approval of meeting minutes for PZA 11/18/2021, 12/2/2021, 12/16/2021, 1/20/2022, 2/3/2022, 2/17/2022 and 1/19/2023.]

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU. OKAY. AGENCY MEMBERS, BEFORE WE GO INTO THE APPROVAL OF THESE MINUTES. I WANT TO JUST MENTION THAT STAFF HAS ASKED IF WE HAVE TO LEAVE BEFORE THE MEETING ENDS THAT WE KIND OF MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THE RECORD. SO THAT IT'S ON THE RECORD THAT SOMEBODY HAS LEFT SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION ON HOW MANY VOTES THERE SHOULD BE. OKAY. LET'S MOVE INTO THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 18TH, 2021, DECEMBER 2ND, 2021, JANUARY 20TH, 2022, FEBRUARY 3RD, 2022, FEBRUARY 17TH, 2022, AND MARCH 19, 2022, MARIE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BUT WE SHOULD BE THANKING KIMBERLY FOR THESE MINUTES? ALL RIGHT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION REGARDING

THE MINUTES. >> CHAIR: MOTION MADE.

>> SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? >> WELL, I WILL SAY MY MEMORY

[Public Comments]

FOR THEM. THEY LOOKED OKAY. >> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT. ALL

THOSE IN FAVOR? >>

(CHORUS OF AYES) >> OPPOSED?

>> THAT MOTION PASSES. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ONTO ITEM NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA. AND I'M GOING TO OH, I'M SORRY, I SKIPPED THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THIS IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT NOW, YOU COULD COMMENT ON ITEMS ON THE AGENDA OR NOT ON THE AGENDA, THERE'LL BE, UM, A, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR EACH ITEM AS WE BRING THEM UP ALSO, SO, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO OFFER TESTIMONY NOW, YOU CAN LATER. ALL RIGHT.

>> MR. MACNIRNY. >> SORRY, MR. MCNIRNY.

>> JOE, MCNIRNY, 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE. THIS IS A COMMENT RELATED TO DECISIONS THAT BOARD MEMBERS MADE AT THE LAST MEETING. THE QUESTION IS PUT IN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK NEXT TO HOMES AND, OF COURSE, COLONEL HINMAN AND THE INDUSTRIAL CHIEF

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[1. SUPMAJ 2022-05 Smith Borrow Pit.]

YOU, VERY MUCH. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ONTO ITEM NUMBER ONE. DO AOF THE AGENCY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY EX-PARTE TO DECLARE?

>> I DROVE BY THE SITE, UM, AFTER WE LAST HEARD THIS. I'VE BEEN OUT MANY TIMES, BUT, I DID DRIVE BY AND WENT DOWN ONE OF THE DIRT ROADS OUT THERE JUST TO LOOK AROUND.

>>> I DROVE BY THE SITE ALSO LAST WEEK TO LOOK AROUND AT THE

ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOODS. >> CHAI: ALL RIGHT. AT THIS POINT, WE'LL ALL THE APPLICANT FORWARD.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, DOUG BURNET, ST. JOHNS LAW FIRM HERE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. JOE SENIOR AND JOE JR. ARE HERE AS WELL. AND TOM BARTLETT FROM THE TEAM HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. I WENT BACK AND LOOKED, I WAS HERE FOR THE MEETING WHEN THIS LOOKED BACK IN NOVEMBER. AND I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE VIDEO, AGAIN, SUBSEQUENTLY. AND THIS IS A GREAT MOMENT WHERE THE WISDOM OF THE PEOPLE WAS TO CONTINUE THIS AND SPECIFICALLY ARTICULATED BY MS. PERKINS WERE CONCERNS OF TIME TO DISCUSS WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, DIRECTION TO THE APPLICANT TO GO MEET WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, ADD SOME CONDITIONS AND ACTUALLY GET THOSE IN IN WRITTEN FORM. AND, UM, YOU KNOW T JUST GENERAL OBSERVATION ABOUT NONE OF THE NEIGHBOR HIGH SCHOOL SHOWN UP, BUT, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE AGENCY TO HAVE THE INPUT FROM SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORS. WHAT MR. SMITH TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF TO DO, SUBSEQUENT TO YOUR MEETING WAS TO GO OUT AND MEET WITH HIS NEIGHBORS, A NUMBER OF THEM, AND HOPEFULLY, YOU ALL RECEIVED THE E-MAIL THAT I SENT EARLIER IN THE WEEK RELATED TO THIS. BUT, I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT'S GONE ON SINCE, I'M NOT GOING TO REHASH THE ENTIRE APPLICATION THAT YOU HEARD IN NOVEMBER BUT I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT'S GONE ON SINCE.

GENERALLY, YOU COULD SEE COUNTY ROAD 210 SORT IN THAT 13-APASETTI ROAD TO THES AND JOE ASHTON ROAD WEST OF THE LOCATION. CLOSER TO THE AERIAL, THE LOCATION MAP ZEROING DOWN ON THE SITE IT TESTIFY. AND, AGAIN, COMMENTS, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD WAS RELATED TO ACCESS FROM THE LAST HEARING, I THINK DR. HILLSENBECK QUESTIONED THIS, WHICH WAS NOT IN YOUR PACKET WHICH WAS HOW DID THAT ACCESS GET ESTABLISHED AND WHAT DID THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SHOWN AND WHAT DID THEY REVIEW AND CONSIDER WHEN GRANTING THIS ACCESS. AND WE CAN NOW ANSWER THIS. IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT WAS RESOLUTION IN 2020-376. THAT RESOLUTION IS A MATTER OF RECORD, THE AGENDA PACKAGE THAT WENT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL OF THAT RESOLUTION MENTIONED

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REPEATLY, THE APPLICATION ITSELF TALKED ABOUT THE SMITH BAR PIT SITE, AND IF YOU LOOKED DOWN THERE YOU COULD SEE WHERE IT VERY CLEARLY CONTAINED A DRAWING WITH A RIM DITCH AND A BAR PIT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE ACCESS WAS FOR A PIT SITE TO BE APPROVED AT THE SMITH PROPERTY. SO, WE THINK PRETTY CLEARLY THE COMMISSION KNEW WHAT THEY WERE APPROVING WHEN THEY APPROVED THAT ACCESS AGREEMENT AND IT'S NOW DOCUMENTED, SIGNED, AND RECORDED. ADDED CONDITIONS AND THESE ARE TAKING FROM WHAT WE HEARD FROM YOU GUYS IN NOVEMBER. SOME OF THE CONDITIONS AND SPECIFICALLY, RELATED TO TIME, RELATED TO A FENCE BEING INSTALLED, RELATED TO A 100-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, YOU HEARD MR. SMITH TALK ABOUT HOW HE'S NOT GOING TO USE A LOUDER DIESEL PUMP, IT'S GOING OBJECT AN ELECTRIC PUMP ONLY, NO NEED TO USE GAS OR DIESEL PUMP. THAT WAS NOT A CONDITION IN WRITING THERE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. WE HAVE THEM HERE LAID OUT FOR YOU NOW. AND AS FAR AS WHERE THE DEWATERING PUMP WOULD BE LOCATED, THEY WOULDN'T BE WITHIN P HUNDRED FEET OF THE EASTERN OR SOUTHERN BOUNDARIES OF THE SITE, SORT OF KEEPING THEM AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS, AND FINALLY, THAT THERE WOULD BE A RIM DITCH. AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS SITE IN COMPARISON TO OTHER PIT SPECIAL USE PERMITS, TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, SUNNISIDE PIT APPLICATION WHICH WAS APPROVED. IT DID NOT HAVE AS A CONDITION A REQUIREMENT FOR RIM DITCHES AND WE ALSO HAD A SITUATION WHERE THAT SITE AND IT COMES BACK TO BEING, I THINK, PRETTY MATERIAL, THAT SITE DIDN'T HAVE THE OWNER'S HOUSE LOCATED ON THE PIT SITE. SO, YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FACTS HERE. AND FINALLY, ONE THING THAT CAME UP, AND I FORGET WHO EXACTLY MENTIONED THIS, BUT, I KNOW THAT MISS PERKINS DISCUSSED IT DURING THE HEARING WAS RELATED TO LIGHTING, ACTUALLY, MARIE COOLLY RAISED IT DURING HER COMMENTS, NO LIGHTING BY 5:00 P.M. BY KEEPING THE TIME PIT AT 5:00 P.M. THERE'S NO NEED FOR COMMERCIAL LIGHTING. WHAT WE DID AS A TAKE AWAY IS JOE SMITH MADE THE ROUNDS WITH HIS NEIGHBORS AND WE CREATED A FORM SO YOU COULD SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE NEIGHBOR ARE COMMITTED WITH. IT REFERENCED THE APPLICATIONS SPECIFICALLY AND REFERENCED AN AERIAL FROM THE PACKET THAT SHOWS WHERE THE SITE'S LOCATED AND THE SITE PLAN OF WHAT'S CONTENDED. AND THE SEVEN CONDITIONS THAT I ACTUALLY JUST LAID OUT FOR YOU ARE SPECIFICALLY IN THAT FORM. AND A NUMBER OF HIS NEIGHBORS HAVE SIGNED THE FORM AND I GUESS MOST NOTABLY, ONE OF THOSE IS MARIE COOLLY HAS SIGNED THE FORM. AND I CAN MAP OUT TO YOU WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE LOCATED BUT IT COVERS A NUMBER OF THE PROPERTY OTHER THANES AROUND THE LOCATION. AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE AGENDA PACKAGE AND WHAT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE AND YOU SAY, DOUG, OKAY, YOU HAVE SEVEN CONDITIONS IN THERE, WHERE DO WE PUT THAT, WELL, TO MAKE YOUR MOTION IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER APPROVING THIS TODAY, THE AGENDA PACKAGE ACTUALLY CONTAINS LANGUAGE THAT SAYS ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS MAY BE ADDED AS A RESULT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD SLIP THOSE IN, WE WOULD SAY THE 14 CONDITIONS, WE WOULD HAVE 15-18 ADDED ON THERE AND I MAY HAVE MISSED TWO, SOMEWHERE OR THE OTHER IN A CUT-AND-PASTE HERE, BUT, THE SEVEN WOULD BE ADDED FROM THE FORM WOULD BE ADDED ON TO THE END. AH, APOLOGIZE, TWO OF THE SEVEN ARE ALREADY IN THE 14, SO, I'M ACCURATE, 15, 16, 17, AND 18 WILL BE ADDED ON BECAUSE TWO ARE ALREADY IN THE FORM. AGAIN, THIS IS A SITE PLAN THAT MATTHEWS DREW AND THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. I WILL COMMENT JUST SO THAT I COVER EVERYTHING I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES AND THE LIKE, AND, UM, VERY RARELY DO I GET INTO LEGAL STUFF UP HERE, I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY USEFUL, MOST OF THE TIME. BUT, TO MAKE A LEGAL ARGUMENT, BUT, I'LL SHARE WITH YOU THAT DURING MY 20 PLUS YEARS OF DOING THIS, I'VE MADE A CHEAT SHEET AND IT'S A SPRATSHEET AND ON THAT SPREADSHEET IT'S GOT A CASE AND A SUMMARY OF THE CASE AND WHAT THE ISSUE WAS AND WHETHER THE DEVELOPER WON OR LOST, AND THE VERY FIRST CASE ON THERE, BELIEVE IT OR THE NO, BECAUSE

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>> DOUG, UM, THE GENTLEMAN YOU JUST REFERENCED SAYING IT WOULDN'T DIMINISH PROPERTY VALUES, YOU SAID HE'S A LICENSED

REAL ESTATE BROKER? >> YES, IN THE STATE OF

FLORIDA. >> IS HE ALSO A LICENSED

APPRAISER? >> WELL, I GUESS WHEN WE GET INTO THAT, I KNOW THAT YOU SITED THAT YOUR SISTER-IN-LAW IS AN APPRAISER IN TEXAS, I KNOW YOU WERE NOT TRYING TO INSERT THAT IS THAT WAS BINDING HERE, BUT, IT IS A BROKER WHO IS LICENSED HERE AND IT WOULD BE EXPERT TESTIMONY THAT HE WOULD BE

CAPABLE OF GIVING, OBVIOUSLY. >> THAT'S NOT AN APPRAISER?

>> THAT'S. >> IT'S REALLY DIFFERENT

THINGS, TOTALLY DIFFERENT. >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, LET ME ASK THIS, WHAT ROUTE DO YOU THINK YOUR CLIENT'S VEHICLES, THE TRUCKS COMING OUT OF THERE ARE GOING TO TAKE TO GET TO THE DESTINATION? THAT MIGHT LEAD INTO THE NONE OF MY BUSINESS TO ASK THIS, BUT, WHAT CLIENTS THEY PLAN TO SELL TO FILL TO, BUT, I JUST WONDERED WHAT ROUTE SINCE I DIDN'T SEE ANY TRAFFIC STUDIES IN THE APPLICATION, I JUST WONDERED WHAT ROUTE THAT MIGHT TAKE, WEST ON 208 OR EAST BACK OVER TOWARD PACETTI OR 216 OR ALL THE WAY ON 208 DOWN TO I-95 AND 16, WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING?

>> WELL, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S 208, IT'S A FUNCTION OF WHERE THE CONSUMER OF THE DIRT IS. HAD WE WITHIN COMING THROUGH A YEAR PRIOR, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO SELL DIRT MORE CLOSELY, WHERE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT LARGE SUBDIVISION HAVE DONE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE IF YOU WILL. TO THE WEST OF LOOKING IN YOUR DIRECTION, TO THE WEST OF JOE ASHTON ROAD NORTH WOULD HAVE BEEN A ROUTE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE 208 JOE

ASHTON ROAD. UP 280. >> SO, THEN THEY MAY GO UP TO 216 ALTERNATELY? I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT PACETTI AND ULTIMATELY 16 WITH DUMP TRUCKS, AND THEN I READ SOMETHING IN THERE, TWO SEMIS, FOUR DUMP TRUCKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON

THE SITE. >> AS FAR AS 16 AND HAUL ROUTES AND DUMP TRUCKS, THAT DEVELOPMENT'S ALREADY APPROVED AND YOU HAVE MAJOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, MANY TIMES THE PITS, THEIR CONSUMERS CAN ALSO BE PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS. SO, THE CONTRACTORS WHO ARE DOING THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT SHALL FOR DOT ARE CONSUMERS OF FILL DIRT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> WELL, I -- >> I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE PUBLIC

COMMENT AS WELL. >> I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 2.03.01 D, ANY SPECIAL USE MUST BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING LAND USES. AND

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>> I'LL LET MR. SMITH SPEAK TO THIS AT THE END AFTER WE GET UP

FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? >> I WAS ASKING YOU ABOUT

COMPATIBILITY. >> I CAN TELL YOU THIS, WE HAVE FOUR SIGNS AND I BELIEVE MR. SMITH HAS ONE OTHER SIGNED WITH HIM CURRENTLY. ONE GENTLEMAN WHO IS AN OWNER HAS DEMENTIA. ANOTHER OWNER, I BELIEVE HE'S IN HIS 80S, HAS DEMENTIA, AND THE OTHER OWNER, IT'S A RENTAL PROPERTY AND THEY'RE NOT LOCATED IN THE AREA. SO, WE HAVE ONE THAT HASN'T ACTUALLY GOTTEN A SIGNATURE OR BEEN ABLE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH.

>> OKAY. I ASSUME THAT YOU'VE BEEN OUT TO THE PROPERTY?

>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW. >> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC

SPEAKERS? >> WE HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS,

CHUCK LEBENOWSKI. >> CHUCK LEBENOWSKI 1748 NORTH CAPERRIL. I'M GLAD THAT WORKED OUT WITH THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. THAT'S IMPORTANT. DURING AN AGREEMENT FOR IT, THAT'S GREAT. BUT, HERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE, I'LL USE AS AN EXAMPLE, THIS IS IGP, THIS IS DEAD MAN'S CURVE AND A LOT OF YOU NO WHERE DEAD MAN'S CURVE IS, BEFORE YOU GET INTO THE FOREST OFF OF IGP.

THIS IS DEAD MAN'S CURVE ON PACETTI. A LOT OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, THE THOUSANDS OF TRUCKS LEAVING THAT PIT WILL BE HITTING THE DEAD MAN'S CURVE ON PACETTI. THERE'S A SMALLER ONE ON PACETTI AS WELL. THAT'S NOT THE MAJOR ONE, THIS IS THE MAJOR ONE. AND THERE'S NO, UM, DISTANT FUTURE OF ANYTHING BEING DONE TO THAT S-CURVE THERE. THIS IS A HAZARD HAVING THE DUMP TRUCKS. ONE OF 16 IN THE PLANNING STAGES TO BE WIDENED, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED DIRT FOR THAT. BUT, MORE SO, THE OUTER BELTWAY OR EXPRESSWAY, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED DIRT FOR THAT. SO, A LOT OF THAT TRAFFIC WILL BE ON PACETTI. THE CONCERN, AGAIN, IS THE SAFETY FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA THAT WILL BE TRAVELING THAT ROAD.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> SAM SORGAN. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, SAM SORGAN, 1730 BENNETTE ROAD, JUST SOUTH OF THE SAID, SMITH PROPERTY. SOME OF YOU MENTIONED DRIVING DOWN SOME OF THE DIRT ROADS IN THE AREA, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE WHERE I LIVE ALONG WITH MY WIFE AND BARBARA, OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.

WE'RE THE TWO PROPERTY THAT IS ABUT MR. SMITH'S PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IMMEDIATELY. WE WERE NEVER CONTACTED. WE WERE NEVER TOLD ABOUT THE BORROW PIT, WE GOT THE INFORMATION IN THE MAIL AND JOE WAS NICE WERE ENOUGH TO COM AND TELL US EXACTLY WHAT A BORROW PIT WOULD LOOK LIKE. WE ALL PURCHASED OUR PROPERTIES ON BENNETTE ROAD BECAUSE WE LOVE THE QUIET, AND WE LOVE THE RESIDENTIAL, OPEN, RURAL AREA THAT WE HAVE. AND, OUT THERE, YOU GET A LOT OF SOUND TRAVEL BECAUSE IT'S SO OPEN RURAL, AND I'M PRETTY SURE WITH ALL THE DUMP TRUCK TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH A BORROW PIT, IT WOULD EFFECT THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF THE COMMUNITY OF BENNETTE ROAD AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY SIGNIFICANTLY. SO, MY CONCERN IS THE COMPATIBILITY OF AN INDUSTRIAL SIDE IN A VERY RESIDENTIAL, OPEN, RURAL AREA.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT LAND VALUES BECAUSE WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF EVER SELLING OR MOVING, WE LOVE BEING OUT THERE. AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE OUT ON BENNETTE ROAD FEEL THE SAME WAY, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT THERE HAVE BYE-BYE OUT THERE FOR DECADES.

ANYWAY, I KNOW THAT MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS ON BENNETTE ROAD HAVE NO IDEA OF THE BORROW PIT GOING IN. AND IF IT WASN'T FOR JOE EXPLAINING TO ME EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS, I WOULDN'T KNOW EITHER. I WOULD SAY WE'RE CONCERN PUD AND IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. AND I HOPE THAT YOU CONSIDER MY REQUEST TO YOU AS

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>> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT. MR. BURNET DO YOU HAVE ANY

REBUTTAL? >> THE QUICK THING THAT I WOULD COMMENT IS AS FAR AS CONSISTENCY, COMPATIBILITY AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, WE HAVE, OBVIOUSLY, A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER IN MS. COOLLY, SIGNING OFF RELATING TO THIS, NOT OBJECTING, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF YOUR, PROPERLY, HIGHEST TRAINED, HIGHEST QUALIFIED STAFF MEMBERS WITH HUGE LONGEVITY HERE AT THE COUNTY. THE REASON I MENTION THAT IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS, WE'VE GOT 100-FOOT BUFFER GOING AROUND THE BORROW PIT OPERATION. AND THEN THE PUMP IS 300 FEET SOUTH, SO, FOR THE GENTLEMAN WHO JUST SPOKE, THE ACTUAL PUMPS ARE NOT WITHIN 300 FEET OF HIS PROPERTY LINE.

SO, IT KEEPS THE PUMPS WELL OUTSIDE OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE A NUISANCE FACTOR, AND A 100-FOOT BUFFER WE THINK IS MATERIAL. AND ALSO, THE FENCING IS AROUND THE PIT AREA AND NOT OUT OF THE PERIMETER, TOO, SO IT KEEPS FAR AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THAT'S WHY, I THINK YOU DON'T ARE HAVE MUCH IN PUBLIC COMMENT HERE TO SPEAK. JOE SMITH HAS DEFINITELY MADE HIS ROUNDS WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS GOING ON. WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. AGAIN, THE TEAM FROM MATTHEWS DESIGN IS HERE AS WELL THAT CAN ANSWER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AND OF COURSE, JOE SMITH AND HIS SON. AND BY THE WAY, I WILL REPEAT THIS, JOE SMITH LIVES ON THIS PROPERTY IN A HOME, AND HIS SON, JOE SMITH JR. LIVES ON THIS PROPERTY TOO IN HIS HOME. AND BOTH OF THEM REPORT TO A BOSS, DENISE WHICH IS JOE'S WIFE.

THIS IS THE PLAN THAT ULTIMATELY, THE PIT WILL BE DUG AND THEY WILL HAVE AN AWESOME FISHING POND IN THE BACKYARD AND THIS IS THEIR PLACE OF RETIREMENT. SO, MR. SMITH, THIS IS YOUR PLACE OF RETIREMENT? I MEAN, THIS IS WHERE HE AND HIS WIFE ARE GOING TO LIVE. SO, THEY LIVE THERE AND THEY WILL LIVE THERE FOR YEARS AND THEIR PLAN IS TO CONTINUE TO LIVE THERE AND RETIRE THERE, THEY HAVE THEIR SON THERE AND THEIR FAMILY'S THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE AVERAGE PIT, LOOK AT SUNNY SIDE WHERE Y APPROVED PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THIS WHERE YOU HAVE NO OWNERSHIP ON SITE AND NO HOUSE ON-SITE RELATED TO THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S NOT EVEN A RENTAL PROPERTY. THIS, THE ACTUAL OWNER, LIVES ON-SITE. WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND I CAN BRING MR. SMITH UP HERE AND UKRAINE

TALK TO JOE DIRECTLY. >> ALL RIGHT, STAFF IS ON THE

QUEUE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION AS A DISTINCTION, MS. COOLLY IS A STAFF MEMBER HOWEVER THIS IS A PRIVATE MATTER AND I DON'T WANT ANY REPRESENTATION TO MAKE THAT THIS IS A COUNTY STAFF DECISION.

THAT'S ALL. >> CHAIR: OKAY. ANY OTHER MEMBER HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE

AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> MY MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVAL SPECIAL USE PERMIT MAJ 2022-05 BASED UPON THE 19 CONDITIONS WHICH WERE ADDED BY THE APPLICANT AND EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF'S REPORT.

>> JACK? >> WELL, I HAD A COMMENT AFTER DRIVING OUT THERE AND LOOKING AT THE RESIDENTIAL FEEL AND THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS, I DO FIND IT INCOMPATIBLE, I THINK PUTH IN AN INDUSTRIAL SITE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE FOUR OR FIVE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE OKAY WITH THIS, IT JUST

FEELS OUT OF PLACE TO ME. >> CHAIR: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> SECOND BY ELVIS. DISCUSSION?

>> I'M ON THE FENCE ON THIS. YES, MEGHAN?

>> I WAS ON THE FENCE WITH THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, BUT, I THINK HAVING THE APPLICANT COME BACK UP HERE AND THE OWNER DOING THE WORK THAT HE DID, AND WITH THE OWNERS WE GOT HIM MAKING A LT OF CONCESSIONS THAT, IT GOES A LONG WAY FOR ME. I THINK IT

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[2. SUPMIN 2022-17 Smith Residence.]

>> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, LET'S

REGISTER THE VOTE. >> ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION

PASSES 4-2. >>> LET'S MOVE TO ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA. AND, IS THERE ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER TWO?

>> CHAIR: IS THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO HERE COME ON

UP, SIR. >> HOW Y'ALL DOING TODAY?

>> GOOD, HOW ARE YOU? >> MY NAME'S KEVIN SMITH AND I HAVE A POWERPOINT HERE, I'M TRYING TO, REQUEST A SPECIAL USE REQUEST TO ALLOW A MOBILE HOME IN AN RS-3 ZONING. IT'S FOR THE ADDRESS, 460 AIKEN STREET AND I WENT AROUND, THIS IS THE LOCATION. I WAS ACTUALLY ABLE TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY OFF OF A TAX DEED FOR AROUND $22,000, IT'S KIND OF, ALL I REALLY HAD, SO, WE WENT FOR IT. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD ZOOM IN.

THE HIGHLIGHTED BOX IS THE ADDRESS AND ALL THE CHECK MARKS ARE OTHER MOBILE HOMES IN THAT AREA. SO, MY WIFE AND I WENT AROUND AND TOOK PICTURES OF THEM. THIS ONE'S ON NASSAU STREET, 141 SOUTH, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE ON 190 NASSAU STREET, 269 AIKEN STREET. AND 421 AIKEN STREET, AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S ADJACENT AND THIS WAS A QUICK PASS-BY, I'M SURE THERE ARE A LOT MORE TRAILERS AROUND THE WEST KING AREA. I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2009 AND WEST KING'S ALWAYS BEEN A NICE, EASY, LAID BACK, I THOUGHT, DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH YOUR LAND'S PROPERTY USE. THERE ARE MORE TRAILERS HERE. THIS IS RIGHT NEXT TO 460 AS WELL. AND, UM, I MEAN, THE REASONS, MAINLY FOR APPROVAL, I WANTED TO KIND OF INCREASE THE TAX ON THE PROPERTY BEFORE IT WAS JUST PURCHASED AS A DEED IN 1975, AND, THE COUNTY WAS ONLY GETTING LIKE $200 A YEAR FOR IT. UM, SO, WE PURCHASED THAT FOR $22,000, AND WE DECIDED THAT WE WANTED TO PUT -- MY WIFE AND I WANT TO PUT A MOBILE HOME ON IT, MAINLY BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING BEING SO EXPENSIVE THESE DAYS. OUR RENT FROM 2019 WHEN WE GOT HERE WAS $1,300 A MONTH FOR A ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENT, AND NOW IT'S $2,200 A MONTH. WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING MORE AFFORDABLE. AND THIS WAS KIND OF THE ONLY THING THAT WE COULD REALLY THINK OF, AND THEN I HITTED HURDLE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO PUT THE MOBILE HOME ON THE ACTUAL ADDRESS. SO, I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH THAT. BUT, UM, IF THERE'S REALLY ANYTHING ELSE I SHOULD SAY, UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> YES.

>> YES, SIR. >>

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> YES, SIR.

>> DO YOU CURRENTLY OWN THAT? >> I DO, SIR. I ACTUALLY, I JUST, RECENTLY PURCHASED A HOUSE, I USED MOST OF MY PARENT'S MONEY FOR THE DOWN PAYMENT, THE MORTGAGE IS CURRENTLY REALLY EXPENSIVE AND MY WIFE AND I ARE HAVING TROUBLE AFFORDING IT, SO, WE WERE THINKING ABOUT PROBABLY SELLING OR EVEN REPRESENTING OUT OR MAY BE SELLING THE HOUSE. UM, MAINLY BECAUSE, UM, WE GOT THE HOUSE BECAUSE WHEN OUR RENT WENT

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WAIT DOWNTOWN. >> CHAIR: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

OF THE APPLICANT? >> ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, BRENDA (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> TAKE A SEAT, SIR, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU.

>> HELLO, I'M BRENDA KIETAN PICKNEY AND MY PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 481 STREET. AT ONCE TIME I WAS OPPOSED TO THE MOBILE HOME GOING UP. I HAVE CHANGED MY MIND ON THAT. THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME THE SMITHS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IN AND BUILD AND IMPROVE, THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE, IS THE TRAILER IS ALREADY THERE. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR OVER 6 MONTHS AND NOW I REALIZE THAT HE HAD PROBLEMS, SO, THAT'S WHY HE STOPPED. THE OTHER PROBLEM THAT I WOULD LIKE -- WELL, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I ACCEPT IT AND NOT HOLDING THAT AGAINST HIM, THE OTHER PROBLEM THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE IT IS I WANT TO SEE THE AREA GROW. IT'S ONE THING, YOU CAN NOT BUILD LAND, AGAIN, ONCE IT'S THERE, THAT'S IT. AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. AND THE HANDOUTS THAT I GAVE YOU ARE THE TWO HOME THAT IS I PLAN ON BUILDING IN THIS AREA, ONE NEXT DOOR WHICH IS THE MID-CENTURY MODERN, AND THE OTHER ONE AT ANOTHER STREET ON NASSAU. THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE, AND I'M HOPING THAT MR. SMITH WILL WORK IT OUT IS THAT HE'S COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY CUT DOWN TREES, I DON'T SEE ANY CERTIFICATE WITH CLEARING OF TREES, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE OR NOT, BUT, THE TREES THAT WAS CUT DOWN, THEY'RE IN THEY'RE ON MY PROPERTY, I WOULD LIKE THOSE TREES REMOVED. THE TRAILER'S SITTING THERE, AND AS I SAID, IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR SIX MONTHS. AND I DO THINK THAT HE NEEDS TO BE VERY CAREFUL, I'M JUST GOING TO TELL HIM WHAT'S GOING ON. ON THE PROPERTY THAT HE HAS AT 460 AIKEN STREET, ON THE BACK OF THAT PROPERTY, AS I REMEMBER AS A CHILD, IT'S LIKE A WETLAND AND THERE'S SOMETHING OOZING FROM THE SOIL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, IT'S SOMETHING BLACK, SO, THAT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MR. SMITH, MOVING, AS I HAD, I'M NOT OPPOSING IT AT THIS TIME, IS THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO RESPECT THE PROPERTY THAT'S AT 480 AIKEN STREET BECAUSE I'M RENOVATING THAT PROPERTY AND I WILL BE USING IT AS A RESIDENCE AND I'M GLAD, THAT MR. SMITH SAID, THAT HE'S GOING TO BE A RESIDENT AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A RENTAL PROPERTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> MR. SMITH, DO YOU HAVE ANY REBUTTAL?

>> (INAUDIBLE) >> I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME. VERY NICE TO MEET YOU. (INAUDIBLE)

>> (INAUDIBLE) UM, THE REASON THE TRAILER WAS ALREADY ON THE PROPERTY WAS I WAS SORRY, I WAS CONTACTED BY A CONTRACTOR NAMED TRAVIS KENDALE, HE WROTE UP A CONTRACT AND I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HE WAS DOING EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK, I LOST ABOUT $40,000 TO GET HIM TO MOVE THE TRAILER FROM TREASURE ISLAND, TO AIKEN, AND ONCE I DID MY OWN RESEARCH AND FOUND OUT THAT NOTHING WAS DONE THE RIGHT WAY, I PULLED THE PLUG, FIRED HIM, AND TOOK THE LOSS, AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE TREES AND THE OTHER PROPERTY, I WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. I MEAN, MY MAIN GOAL IS TO USE IT AS A PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND ONE DAY, MAY BE, YOU KNOW, BREAK IT DOWN AND ACTUALLY PUT A VERY NICE HOUSE THERE THAT'S AFFORDABLE. BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, MOBILE HOMES LOSE THEIR VALUE. SO, I THINK AIKEN IS A VERY NICE

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AND A MORTGAGE. SO, THANK YOU. >> MR. SMITH, I THINK THAT RICHARD HAS SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

>> SO, WHEN YOU PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, DID YOU GET A SURVEY

WITH IT? >> I DID, SIR. YES.

>> WAS IT THE PROPERTY STAKED, WAS IT FLAGGED?

>> IT WAS NOT. IT WAS NOT FLAGGED. IT WAS JUST WOODED. A VERY WOODED AREA. NOT A LOT OF TREES, MAY BE SOME TREES ON THE OUTSIDE. MAY BE A COME OF MANGROVES.

>> I THINK MAY BE ONE, BUT, I'M NOT 100% SURE, I'M FROM UP

NORTH. >> BUT, YOU'RE ADMITTING THAT

YOU CUT DOWN TREES? >> I DIDN'T PERSONALLY, SIR, NO, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT A CONTRACTOR CAME IN AND SAID THAT EVERYTHING WAS THE SURVEY WAS DONE, AND HE JUST WANTED MONEY. AND HE WOULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, FIX EVERYTHING UP AND MAKE IT HAPPEN, SO, PERSONALLY, ME, I WAS NOT AT FAULT, BUT, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING WAS BEING DONE THE RIGHT WAY BY A CONTRACTOR.

>> WELL, YOU'RE THE OWNER, SO, I THINK THAT YOU WERE ON FAULT FOR TREES BEING CUT DOWN ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, PERSONALLY.

>> PERSONALLY, AND I DO, AND I WOULD LIKE TO, AND, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SPEAKING ON THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR THAT UP AND I CAN PAY SOMEONE OR GET THAT DONE OR,

YOU KNOW. >> CHAIR: SO, WHAT WOULD YOU

PROPOSE TO MITIGATE THAT? >> WHATEVER IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THE TREES OUT OF THERE, CLEAR IT, IF IT TOOK SOMEBODY, I MEAN, I KNOW A FEW PEOPLE THAT MAY BE ABLE TO DO IT.

>> WHAT IF SHE WANTS TREES PLANTED BACK THAT WERE TAKEN

DOWN. >> WELL, IF THEY WERE ON HER PROPERTY LINE, THEN, THAT MAKES SENSE AND IF THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO BE CUT DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE ON MY PROPERTY LINE, THEN, I WOULD PLANT THEM BACK MYSELF.

>> AND THEN, YOU DO BELIEVE THERE'S AN OLD SEPTIC TANK

SEEPING MATERIAL? >> I'VE NEVER SEEN SEEPING MATERIAL, BUT, I DON'T LIVE THERE, SO, I WOULDN'T KNOW, I WOULD TAKE HER WORD FOR IT MORE THAN MINE.

>> BUT, YOU HAD THAT YOU THOUGHT THERE WAS AN OLD SEPTIC

TANK THERE. >> THERE WAS ONE IN THE MIDDLE

OF THE YARD, YES, SIR. >> AND THAT'S GONE NOW?

>> IT'S FILLED IN WITH DIRT >> IT'S STILL THERE?

>> IT'S FILLED IN WITH DIRT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS EXACTLY, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A THICK LAYER OF CEMENT, AND THE TRACTOR HE WAS USING FILLED IT. TRAVIS TOLD ME HE THINKS IT WAS AN OLD, MANMADE TANK, IT WAS NOT AN ACTUAL SEPTIC TANK, IT WAS LIKE A MAN-MADE WASTE, I DON'T KNOW, EXACTLY, PROBABLY VERY, VERY,

OLD. >> OKAY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE COUNTY REGULATIONS ARE ON THAT, BUT, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO GET THAT CLEANED UP, BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVE A NEW SEPTIC

TANK >> YES, SIR, THAT WILL BE

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IT BY THE BACK. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

OF THE APPLICANT? >> EUGENE?

>> NO, MA'AM, THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER.

>> MR. SMITH, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN MOVING FORWARD? DO YOU HAVE A THREE-MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, A YEAR?

>> MY PLAN PERSONALLY IS TO TRY TO GET IT DONE IN THE NEXT THREE TO FOUR MONTHS, HIRE A CONTRACTOR, A LEGIT CONTRACTOR TO GO IN THERE AND, UM, PUT THE TRAILER TOGETHER ADD ELECTRIC, GET ALL THE PERMITTING, DO THE SEPTIC TANK AND MOVE INTO THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY. BECAUSE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY RUN ME, I'M HOPING, A LITTLE UNDER WHAT IT WOULD COST, A LOT LESS TO DO ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW. I THINK, PERSONALLY, WITH THE MONEY ISSUE, AND TRYING TO GET MONEY, IT COULD TAKE ANYWHERE BETWEEN AND THE PERMITTING, IT'S MAINLY THE PERMITTING AND WAITING FOR THAT, HOPEFULLY, NO LONGER THAN THE NEXT SIX MONTH SUNSHINE WHAT I'M HOPING FOR, BUT, IF I COULD DO IT QUICKER, THEN, I WILL. SO, AS SOON AS I CAN. BUT, NO LONGER THAN SIX

MONTHS, I HOPE. >> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> CHAIR: YES, ELVIS?

>> I KNOW THAT THE LAIRED MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TREES WERE, UM, CUTDOWN. ONE OF THE (INDISCERNIBLE) (INAUDIBLE)

>> IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS GOING THROUGH A LOT TO GET THIS

PROPERTY. >> MA'AM, WOULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE AND SPEAK LOUDER, IT'S HARD TO HEAR YOU. YES,

SIR. >> IT SEEMS LIKE MR. SMITH HAS GONE THROUGH A LOT TO GET THIS PROPERTY TOGETHER AND I'M NOT HERE TO HINDER HIM FROM GETTING THINGS AND GETTING A HOME, IT IS NOT THAT IT IS, IT IS NOT THE SITUATION WITH THE TREES, THAT'S OKAY. DON'T YOU EVEN WORRY ABOUT THAT. IT'S THE PROCESS OF HOW THE THINGS HAPPENED. AND I SEE THAT YOU WERE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE PLANNING AND ZONING, AND I'M HEARING A LOT ABOUT THIS, IS THAT PEOPLE CAN GO AND BUY A TRAILER, WHETHER YOU CAN PUT IT ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY OR NOT, AND DELIVER IT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING SHOULD BE IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD OR SOME TYPE OF LAW HERE IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUY A TRAILER, YOU NEED TO HAVE A PERMIT SAYING THAT IT'S OKAY TO PUT IT ON THIS PERSON'S PROPERTY, BECAUSE, THIS GENTLEMAN IS STUCK NOW. AND I'M ASKING YOU, YOU KNOW, I'VE COME HERE, AND I WAS THINKING THAT I DIDN'T WANT THIS TRAILER HERE, BUT, I SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO HOLD YOU BACK. SO, I'M ASKING YOU TO APPROVE THIS FOR HIM SO THAT HE COULD GET STARTED AND WE'LL WORK TOGETHER AS NEIGHBORS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS HAPPENING THE WAY IT SHOULD BE WITHOUT UNDUE STRESS. SO, I'M ASKING YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WORKS OUT FOR HIM. AND ALSO, LOOKING AND BEING VERY CAREFUL ABOUT GETTING ALL THE PARTICULARS OF WHAT YOU NEED TO DO OR ANYONE NEEDS TO DO BEFORE THE PROCESS OR WHILE THE PROCESS IS BEING COMPLETED. I'M ASKING THAT YOU APPROVE THIS AND I DON'T WANT ANY REIMBURSEMENT FOR TREES OR ANYTHING, I JUST WANT HIM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A HOME FOR HIS FAMILY AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS WHERE SOMEONE CAN JUST BUY A TRAILER AND WHEN THEY GET READY TO, IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN ELDERLY PERSON SUCH AS MYSELF, I'M 73, I COULD HAVE BOUGHT A TRAILER WITH ALL OF MY EARNINGS, AND GET READY TO PUT IT ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, WITH CASH, AND I CAN'T PUT IT DOWN THERE NOW, I'M STUCK. SO, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF PROTECTION FOR THE CITIZENS.

THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU, FOR BEING SO GRACEFUL, MA'AM. AND NOW WE'RE BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR

A MOTION. >>> MADE.

[3. SUPMAJ 2022-14 Fuzion 904 Eatery.]

>> MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN MIN 2022-17, SMITH RESIDENT SPECIAL USE SUBJECT TO 10 CONDITIONS.

>> SECOND. >> SECOND BY ELVIS.

>> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE

VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES 7-0. >>> THANK YOU.

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>> CHAIR: LET'S MOVE ONTO ITEM NUMBER 3. MR. CAMPIAN.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH

REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER THREE? >> NO.

>> BEFORE WE START, I WOULD LIKE TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE SIX MEMBERS PRESENT TODAY AND NOT SEVEN.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> AGAIN. (INAUDIBLE) >> IT HAPPENS.

>> HI, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A REVIEW, WE'RE REQUESTING AN APPROVAL FOR A 4 COP LIQUOR LICENSE AT THE LOCATION 6975 A 1 A SOUTH WHICH IS IN CRESCENT BEACH, IT'S FOR FUSION EATERY, OUR NEW CONCEPT RESTAURANT. I CAN SHOW YOU THE PICTURES QUICKLY. THE LOCATION IS 5,000-SQUARE FOOT AND IT WAS PREVIOUSLY THE CRESCENT BEACH BAR AND GRILL AND BEFORE THAT IT WAS ISLAND BAR, BOTH HAD A FULL LIQUOR LICENSE AND HERE'S A PICTURE FROM GOOGLE EARTH, AND IN THIS I HAVE MARKINGS OF SOME OF THE LOCATIONS WHICH ALSO HAVE LIQUOR LICENSES. THE SAND BAR, THE SOUTH BEACH GRILL WHICH IS GONE NOW, AND THE SAFE SAFE HAR SEAFOOD RESTAURANT. AND THE FUSION RESTAURANT, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY THE CRESCENT BEACH BAR AND GRILL. THIS IS A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT WITH TWO CONCEPTS, ONE SIDE IS A SPORT'S BAR ENVIRONMENT THAT WILL HOST A MAJORITY OF SPORTING EVENTS, THE MEN KNEW BOASTS A VARIETY OF TAPAS STYLE APPETIZER AND A VARIETY OF SPECIAL COCKTAILS AND MORE THAN 200 BEERS ON TAP. AND THE OTHER CONCEPT, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE ROOM NEXT DOOR IT'S SEPARATED BY A CURTAIN WILL BE CALLED THE FINER SIDE AND WILL ALSO FEATURE LIQUOR, 100-BOTTLE WINE LIST THAT OFFERS WINES FROM CALIFORNIA, OR OREGO WASHINGTON STATE, ITALY, FRANCE AND OTHER REGIONS. THE THE MENU WILL BE AMERICAN, FRENCH, JAPANESE ITALIAN INFLUENCES. THE CONCEPT IS BROUGHT TO YOU FROM 386 WHICH IS A RESTAURANT DOWN THE WAY IN PALM COAST INFLAGGLER COUNTY. ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY WE'RE OPEN UNTIL 10:00 P.M. WE WILL OPEN FOR LUNCH ONCE WE GET OPENED AND IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT FINDING STAFF RIGHT NOW, BUT, OUR PLAN IS TO OPEN FOR LUNCH. IN CLOSING, I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT WE'RE GOING OBJECT A HIGH-END RESTAURANT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING BECOME A ROWDY BAR WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSSING ON FOOD, GOOD FOOD, AND SPECIALTY COCKTAILS. AND

THAT'S IT. >> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ELVIS?

>> YOU MENTIONED 200 DIFFERENT BEERS.

>> CHAIR: THAT WAS 20. >> I'M SO SORRY, 20. 20

DIFFERENT BEERS ON TAP. >> CHAIR: YOU WERE GETTING

HIM EXCITED. >> IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I OWN A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE 200 DIFFERENT BEERS.

>> MOST NIGHTS HE HAS TO QUIT AFTER THE 20TH DIFFERENT BEER.

>> THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT. DO WE

HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> NO SPEAKER CARDS, SO WE'RE

BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> JACK?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE MAJ 2022-14, FUSION 904 EATERY, REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE ON-SITE SALE AND CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES LOCATE ATAD

[4. ZVAR 2022-20 Holladay Renovation.]

REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> CHAIR: ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES BY 7 MINUS 1 OR 6. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON.

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CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH, I

APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR

BUSINESS TO THE COUNTY. >> THANK YOU.

>> ITEM FOUR, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TO REPRESENT THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE RECEIVED A WRITTEN E-MAIL REQUEST THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DID, PLEASE WITH DRAW THE APPLICATION Z VARIANCE 2030-20 MR. MATTHEW HOLIDAY, MR. HOLIDAY WITH HELD PAYMENT FOR SERVICES AND WE'RE NOT READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A HEARING AT THIS TIME. I ASSUME THIS IS FROM THE BUILDER. AND, SO, AND I ASSUME THE BUILDER'S THE ONE THAT MADE THE APPLICATION IS THAT CORRECT?

>> I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. >> YES. BLUE WAVE BUILDERS AND IT'S BBLUE WAVE BUILDERS THAT MADE THE APPLICATION.

>> CHAIR: OKAY. IT'S UP TO THE AGENCY WETHER OR NOT WE WANT

[5. NZVAR 2022-16 TD Bank Wall Signs.]

>> CHAIR: SO, IS THERE A MOTION?

>> CHAIR: MOTION TO WITH DRAW AND A SECOND BY ELVIS, ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0. MOVING ONTO ITEM NUMBER 5. MS. MIGINESSE IS THERE ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE REGARDING ITEM NUMBER FIVE? SEEING NONE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M JOE WE'RE AND I'M WITH BANKER SIGN.

AND I LOVE AT 1020 LUKER STREET IN FORT MYERS, FLORIDA. I HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE AS WELL. THE REASON FOR THE VARIANCE TODAY IS THE BANK IS LOOKING FOR BOTH THE BUILDING AND THE SIGNS TO BE PER PORTIONAL WITH CLEAN LINES JUST LIKE THEY DO WITH ALL OF THEIR FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. THE ISSUE THE BANK IS HAVING IS IF YOU'RE HEADING EAST ON RACETRACK ROAD, YOU WOULD SEE THE FRONT ELEVATION WITH THE LARGER WALL SIGN AND THE SIDE ELEVATION WITH THE SMALLER LINE OF SITE AND SLOWS OFF THAT AESTHETICS. IT PRIES DRIVERS WITH BETTER VISIBILITY IN ENTRANCE WAYS AND ACCESS POINTS. THE APPROVAL ALLOWS TD BANK TO HAVE SIGNAGE IN BOTH SIZE AND TYPELIKE LIKE THEIR NEIGHBORS, FOR EXAMPLE, ALDI, BURGER KING, AND ABC. I'M HOPING THAT SOME OF THE STAFF HAS BEEN BY THE SITE TO SEE THE SURROUNDING SIGNS, WE WERE THERE TODAY, THIS MORNING. AND ALDI IS IS TO THE WEST AND THEY HAD SIGNS ON THE SAME SIGNS. AND BURGER KING, HAS FOUR WALL SIGNS. BUT THE FRONT AND SIDES ARE EQUAL IN PROPORTION IN SIZE. TD BANK IS ASKING THE BOARD IF THEY COULD APPROVE THE WALL SIGNS AT 4525 CARE FOOT AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS MINIMAL AND IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. WE'RE HOPING TO REACH A COMPROMISE WHERE WE COULD TAKE THE TWO LARGER WALL SIGNS THE ONE ON THE FRONT AND THE ONE ON THE SIDE AND MOVE THE SMALLER SIGN TO THE REAR AND THAT WOULD KEEP ALL THE SIGNS PROPORTIONAL IF YOU WERE HEADING EAST ON RACETRACK ROAD.

SO, HAVING SAID THAT, WE ARE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. AND TD BANK IS WELCOMED TO COME UP IF THEY WANT TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL.

>> CHAIR: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? WE'RE BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MEGHAN? >> MOTION TO APPROVE NONSOAPING VARIANCE 2022-16 TD BANKS WALL SIGNS SUBJECT TO 5 CONDITIONS

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> CHAIR: IS THERE A SECOND?

[6. MINMOD 2022-20 Fifth Third Bank (New Twin Creeks).]

>> SECOND. >> CHAIR: SECOND BY EUGENE,

ANY DISCUSSION? YES RICHARD. >> I HAVE VOTED AGAINST SIGN SIZE INCREASES IN THE PAST, BUT, I THINK THIS IS A REASONABLE

REQUEST. >> YOU TALKED ME INTO IT.

>> YEAH, RIGHT. YOU DID. ALL RIGHT, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

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>> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0. LET'S MOVE ONTO ITEM NUMBER 6. MR. ROBINS, REQUEST FOR MINOR MODIFICATION, ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE?

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M ANTHONY ROBINS WITH CROSSER, ON BEHALF OF FOURTH AVENUE. REMEMBER FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.

DEPICTED ON THE MAP IS THE CONCEPTIONUAL PLAN TO INCREASE (INDISCERNIBLE) OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS WHAT'S LOST THERE IN THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL CENTER ON THE SOUTHSIDE OF CR 210, AN AERIAL PHOTO FOR YOU THERE. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL C WHICH WAS WHAT HAPPENED TWO YEARS AGO, CHANGING FROM B TO C IN PART TO INCREASE PUD. THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU IS STRICTLY FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT ALLOWS FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS IN WHAT'S CALLED THE NEIGHBOR AREA. RESTRICTED TO THAT PARCEL ALONE AND ALLOW FOR THEM TO HAVE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WITH DRIVE-THRU FACILITIES. IT'S A SIGN OF THE TIMES, THE CODE DID DIFFERENTIATE THE TWO, AND TODAY, IF YOU FOUND A BANK WITHOUT A DRIVE-THRU FACILITIES, THIS IS A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM THAT ALLOWS A MODERN DAY BANK WITH AN OUTSIDE FACILITY AND OUTSIDE OF THE ITEM THAT WE DID FOR RESTAURANTS JUST A STONE'S THROW AWAY TO THE LEFT OF THE SITE.

AGENCY MEMBERS, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS THE EXACT CHANGE THAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE PUD WHICH A A (INAUDIBLE) AND THEN CLARIFYING THAT NOTE AT THE BOTTOM AS WE DID WITH THE RESTAURANTS, ON AT LEAST TWO PARCELWISE THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS DRIVE-THRU LIMITED TO THIS HOUSEKEEPING ITEM THAT WE APPRECIATE YOUR APPROVAL OF. BEFORE YOU IS THE MASTER PLAN FOR THAT PARCEL. I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT YOU FIND IN YOU'RE FINDINGS OF FACT THAT (INDISCERNIBLE) AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR APPROVAL THIS ARCH, WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS YOU OR THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

>> DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

[7. MINMOD 2022-21 Stillwater (Greenbriar Downs) 11CG License.]

>> THEN WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MEGHAN?

IS >> MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATION 2022-20, NEW TWIN CAN PEAKS SUBJECT TO SEVEN CONDITION SE AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY MEGHAN, AND A SECOND BY JACK, ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

>> OKAY. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> CHAIR: MOVING ONTO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. MS. TAYLOR, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX-PARTE TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM

NUMBER 7? >> ALL RIGHT.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. SHARON TAYLOR, 77 GOSSA STREET. PARDON MY VOICE, I HAVE A BIT OF A COLD. I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS SHORT. WITH ME IS SENZY RODGERS, SHE AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING IN DOING THIS ALL TOGETHER. THE REQUEST IS FOR THE STILL WATESTILL WATER COMMU AMENITY CENTER WITHIN A PUD CALLED GREENBRIER DOWNS BUT IT'S NOT KNOWN THAT WAY ANYMORE.

THIS IS A MINOR MODIFICATION, TO PROVIDE FOR AN ADDITIONAL USE WHICH THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN THE FACILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT AREAS WITHIN THE PUD. THE NORTH PARCEL IS COMMERCIAL AND THAT ALLOWS ALCOHOL SALES AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS, THIS IS THE SOUTH PARCEL WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL AND INCLUDES ALL OF THEIR AMENITIES. GOLF COURSE, DRIVING RANGE, YOU'LL HAVE CLUB HOUSE, POOL, BUT, IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROVISIONS FOR ALCOHOL SALES FOR FOOD TRUCKS WHICH HAVE ALSO BECOME POPULAR WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. SO, GENERALLY, ALCOHOL SALES ARE APPROVED BY SPECIAL USE AS YOU KNOW, BUT, SINCE THIS IS A PUD, IT'S CONSIDERED AN ADDITIONAL USE SO IT'S REQUESTED THROUGH THIS MODIFICATION. NOT EVERYTHING'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THIS POINT. THERE IS A TEMPORARY TENT AND PARKING LOT AREA THAT'S APPROVED FOR THE GOLF DRIVING RANGE. THE GOLF

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THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE IT IS. IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 210, WEST OF ST. JOHNS PARKWAY, IT IS VETERAN'S PARKWAY IS TO THE WEST AND THE CONTINUATION OF VETERAN'S PARKWAY, WOULD GO DOWN THAT QUARTER AND IT KINDS OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE AREA. THE, THERE'S ACCESS FROM THE SOUTH WHICH IS FROM 210, AND, NORTH FROM LONGLEAF PARKWAY, THROUGH VETERAN'S PARKWAY, IT'S ADJACENT TO THE PRESERVE AT ST. JOHNS AND CIMMERON WHICH WOULD BE UP TO, UM, WELL, ANYWAY, AS YOU GO DOWN TO HERE, WE HAVE, UM, THE CROSSING UP IN HERE, AND SILVER LEAF, SOUTH HAMPTON DOWN IN THIS AREA. THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU THE ZONING IN THE AREA. MOSTLY PUDS, OR, AND VERY INTERESTING IW, WHICH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. BUT, IT'S THERE. THIS IS JUST A COPY OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP AND THAT'S FOR THE FULL PROJECT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA AND THEN, I TOOK THAT AND ACTUALLY COLORED IN THE AREAS THAT ARE THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF, UM, THE, UM, AMENITY AREAS WHICH WILL BE IN HERE, YOU COULD SEE THE DRIVING RANGE TYPE OF THING AND THE MAINTENANCE FACILITIES BUT THE GOLF COURSE, OF COURSE, GOES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. AND THIS IS JUST A KIND OF AN AREA THAT SHOWS UP ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S MAP TYPE OF THING THAT KIND OF SHOWS YOU THOSE AREAS THAT ARE THE CENTER FOR THE AMENITY CENTER AND HAS THE AQUATIC CENTER AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PARTS. THIS IS NOT QUITE UP-TO-DATE, BUT, THIS IS A COMMUNITY AMENITY SITE PLAN IT WILL LOOK SIMILAR TO THIS, THERE'S CHANGES BEING MADE TO THIS AT THIS POINT. IT DOES SHOW TENNIS COURTS, GOVERNMENT COURSE GREENS THAT ROUND THIS.

THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE TEMPORARY LOT, THERE WAS A TRAILER THERE THAT WAS REMOVED BUT THERE'S ALSO A TENT AND THAT SERVES TO GO OVER TO THE DRIVING RANGE. THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FILED THAT COVERS THE AMENITIES AND CHANGES AND SHOW YOUS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THAT MAIN AMENITY CENTER, THE DRIVING RANGE, AND ALSO THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY. AND I INCLUDE THAT BECAUSE IT HAS REST ROOMS RELATED TO THE GOLF COURSE THERE ARE NO SALES THERE. AT THIS POINT, THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE THEIR LICENSE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR PUD APPROVALS IN ORDER TO GET THAT. IT'S AN L 11 CG LICENSE, A PRIVATE GOLF COURSE LICENSE. WE HAD POLICEMEN MENUS FOR THE POOL AND DRIVING RANGE AND THE FOOD TRUCK THAT WERE IN THE SUBMITTAL PACKAGE AND I HAVE THEM IF YOU WANT TO SEE THEM TODAY. THESE ARE GENERAL HOURS OF OPERATION DISCUSSED FOR THE FOOD TRUCKS BETWEEN TUESDAY AND SUNDAY, THE TOP TRACER IS THE GOLF WHICH INCLUDES THE DRIVING RANGE, MOST DAYS OF THE WEEK AS WELL. THE AQUATICS AND THE CLUBHOUSE RESTAURANT WHEN IT GETS GOING AND THERE'LL BE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE ALCOHOL SALES. THERE'S NO MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE LAYOUT AND THE THINGS ARE NOT CHANGING WITH THE FACILITIES WITHIN THE AMENITY CENTER AREA. THIS IS A DIAGRAM TO SHOW YOU THE LOCATIONS FOR

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WHAT IT DOESN'T SHOW WILL BE THE CART SALES WHICH ARE TYPICAL ON GOLF COURSES AND YOU CAN'T SHOW WHERE THEY WOULD BE. AND THIS SHOWS THE TEMPERATURE AIR TRAILER AND THE FOOD TRUCK LOCATION AS WELL. JUST, FOR THIS, AND THIS IS IN YOUR APPLICATION, BUT, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IT. THE AREA IN RED IS WHAT'S BEEN ADDED TO THE PUD AND IT ALLOWS FOR THE AMENITIES, IT ALLOWS FOR THE TEMPORARY CLUB AND ALSO THE FOOD TRUCKS AND THE ALCOHOL SALES. AND THIS IS THE OTHER SECTION OF THAT PUD.

THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN IN AUGUST, THERE'S A LITTLE MORE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON SINCE THEN, BUT, THEY WERE NICE DRONE SHOTS SO, I INCLUDED THEM. THIS SHOWS YOU THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND IT LOOKS SOUTH AND A FEW HOLES. THIS SHOWS YOU, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE DRIVING RANGE WHICH IS THERE ON THE RIGHT. AND THEN THE AMENITY CENTER AS IT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED AND GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE PROPERTIES AS YOU GO TO THE NORTH AND SHOWS YOU THE GOVERNMENT COURSE AS WELL AS IT CONTINUES TO THE NORTH. AND THE MAINTENANCE FACILITIES WHICH HAS BEEN BUILT AND THE REST ROOMS. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE TEMPORARY LOCATION THAT HAS THE FOOD TRUCK AND THEN, THEY'RE TAKING AWAY, ACTUALLY, THAT, UM, UM, THAT, A CLOSER LOOK AND YOU COULD SEE WHERE THE TEMPORARY USE IT RIGHT NOW. WHERE THE AMENITY CENTER WILL GO, WHERE THE AQUATIC'S CENTER IS RIGHT NOW, DOWN IN HERE. THAT'S WHERE THAT'S STARTED BUT NOT QUITE FINISHED. THIS IS THE DRIVING RANGE AND ONE OF THE GOVERNMENT HOLES. THE USE FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN THE FACILITIES I WAS DISCUSSING, QUALIFIES BECAUSE IT'S A SINGLE USE AND IT DOESN'T RESULT IN ANY OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE THIS BE A MAJOR MODIFICATION. IT AND I WON'T BELABOR GOING THROUGH THOSE.

AND NEEDING JUSTIFICATION IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE PROVEN AND THAT'S IN THE PACKAGE AS WELL, BUT, THERE'S NO CHANGES TO ANYTHING WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF AND IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARETHE USES CONFINED TO THOSE FACILITIES AND, THE PLAN WAS DEVELOPED, ALSO, FOR, ALL OF THIS AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTIAL HAS A LOT OF JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS AROUND IT SO IT HAS A LOT OF BUFFER TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THIS IS STONE CREEK CROSSING TO THE SOUTH AND THERE'S A BLUE THERE, THERE'S ONE LETTER OF OBJECTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED AND THAT WAS FROM A GENTLEMAN WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT. I'M NOT SURE IF HE QUITE UNDERSTANDS THIS IS IN A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT BUT IT SHOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING DO WITH HIS DEVELOPMENT. I ALSO SHOWED CIMMERON WHERE THAT IS, AND SOUTH HAMPTON WHICH ALSO HAS A GOLF COURSE, THEY ALL HAVE SIMILAR USES AND SIMILAR ALCOHOL SALES AS WELL. SO, THE, UM, MODIFICATIONS IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE FIVE AND IT WON'T AFFECT THE SAFETY, HEALTH OR SERVICE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA AND IT MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE'S THE ONE ADJACENT OWNER, CONCERN

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THAT, WE REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL. >> ARE THERE ANY FOOD SALES ON

THOSE GROUNDS? >> THERE ARE FOOD SALES ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THOSE ACTIVITIES. SO, THERE'S, UM, SO, EXISTING RIGHT NOW, UM, ALONG WITH THE DRIVING RANGE AND ACCESS TO THE GOVERNMENT COURSE, THERE'S FOOD SALES, SNACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'LL BE, OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE FOOD TRUCK ITSELF THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THE FOOD TRUCK WON'T, YOU KNOW, DOES SELL FOR THAT AS WELL. SANDWICHES, THINGS LIKE THAT. I DO HAVE THE MENUS, THEY WERE IN MY APPLICATION IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. UM, I DON'T HAVE THE ONE, I DO HAVE THE ONE, ALSO, FOR THE DRIVING RANGE WHICH ALSO HAVE SANDWICHES AND THINGS. THE BIG COMMUNITY CLUBHOUSE AREA WILL HAVE DINING ROOMS AND TRADITIONAL AND THEN THE AQUATIC CENTER WILL ALSO HAVE AN AREA, TABLES AND THINGS SO THAT YOU COULD BE SERVED POOLSIDE WITH FOOD AS WELL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE

APPLICANT? >> DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER

CARDS? >> OKAY. WE'RE BACK TO THE

AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> JACK.

[8. MINMOD 2022-24 Fire Station 11 & SO SW Command Center.]

>> MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATION, STILL WATER GREENBRIER DOWNS, 11 CG LICENSE BASED ON SEVEN FINDINGS OF FACT AND SEVEN CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY JACK, IS THERE A SECOND.

>> SECOND MY MEGHAN. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. AND LET'S MOVE ONTO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. IS THERE ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE ON ITEM EIGHT? ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR,

MA'AM? >> WE'RE HERE ASKING FOR A MINOR MODIFICATION FOR THE CYPRUSS LAKES PUD TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC SERVICE AS A PERMITTED USE ON A PARCEL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF FIRE STATION 11 AND A ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S

OFFICE COMMAND CENTER. >> THE PUD IS LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF I-95 AND STATE ROAD 207 AND IT LARGELY SURROUNDED BY SIMILAR RESIDENTIAL USES AS WELL AS TIMBERLAND. THE VACANT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE CORNER, THERE IS VACANT COMMERCIAL LAND LOCATED IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF I-95 AND THE STATE ROAD 2 OH 07 INTERSECTION.

THE GOVERNMENT COURSE AND THE PUD HAVE LARGELY BEEN BUILT OUT.

THE PUD CURRENTLY FEATURES THREE DIFFERENT LAND USES, THE NORTHERN COMMERCIAL PARCEL IS MIXED USE, THE GOVERNMENT COURSE AND THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL IS RESIDENTIAL A, AND A SMALL RESIDENTIAL SECTION IN THE SOUTH IS RULE (INDISCERNIBLE) CULTURE. THE PUD IS SURROUNDED BY, UM, OPEN RULE ZONING AS WELL AS OTHER PUD USES. THIS MINOR MODIFICATION IS TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC SERVICE USE ON AN IDENTIFIED 17-ACRE PARCEL, THERE, HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE. PUBLIC SERVICE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE UNDER LYING RESIDENTIAL B LAND USE AND IT'S A PERMITTED USE IN THE NORTHERN SECTION OF THE PUD. SINCE THIS PUD WAS ADOPTED IN 1986, THIS PARCEL WAS LABELLED FOR EQUESTRIAN FACILITIES, MODERN, HOME, STORAGE, AND WAS USED AS A RECREATIONAL AREA USED AS PART OF THE GOVERNMENT COURSE.

GOVERNMENT COURSE MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND UTILITY BUILDINGSES ARE LOCATED ON THE POND AND THE SITE OF THE FIRE STATION AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMMAND CENTER IS LOCATED SOUTH OF THE POND.

THIS AREA IS OVERGROWN AND UNUSED. THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS NOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND ANY FIRE TRUCKS EXITING THE SITE WOULD NOT ENTER INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS OF THE DEVELOPMENT UNLESS RESPONDING TO A CALL. IN THE EXPERIENCE. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE NO FIRE STATIONS WITHIN SIX ROAD MILES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE

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>> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE

APPLICANT? >> DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? THEN WE'RE BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

[Items 9 & 10]

>> MEGHAN? >> MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MOD 2022-24 FIRE STATION 11 AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE SOUTHWEST COMMAND CENTER BASED UPON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SEVEN CONDITIONS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> CHAIR: MOTION AND SECONDED BY RICHARD, ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

ANOTHER UNANIMOUS VOTE. MOVING ONTO ITEMS 9 AND 10 WHICH I ASSUME WE'LL HAVE A JOINT APPLICATION ON, MS. SMITH AND I'LL ASK FOR EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION ON THIS?

>> EUGENE? >> I BELIEVE I RECEIVED A CALL

FROM MS. SMITH. >> CHAIR: OKAY.

>> RICHARD? >> I DEFINITELY RECEIVED A CALL FROM HER BUT DID NOT RETURN THE CALL.

>> CHAIR: OKAY. MEGHAN? (INAUDIBLE).

>> CHAIR: OKAY. JACK, DID YOU TALK TO HER?

>> I RECEIVED A CALL FROM MS. SMITH AND I SPOKE WITH HER.

>> AT LEAST ONE OF YOU LOVES ME.

>> WE DISCUSSED THE PROJECT. >> ELVIS? YES, SIR, I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HER AND WE DISCUSSED THE PROJECT.

>> MEGHAN, YOU CAME BACK UP ON THE QUEUE, IS THERE A REASON FOR

THAT? >> NO, SIR.

>> CHAIR: AND I HAD TWO CONVERSATIONS WITH MS. SMITH ABOUT THIS PROJECT, I BELIEVE ONE ON TUESDAY, AND ONE ON WEDNESDAY WHEN I REALIZED THAT I HAD FURTHER QUESTIONS. SO, WE DISCUSSED IN PARTICULAR, SOME OF THE ITEMS RELATED TO THE DEDICATIONS AND THE DIFFERENT SIZES OF THE PARCELS AND I GOT MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED. SO, MS. SMITH YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS, I ALWAYS TRY TO CALL ALL OF YOU AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE OR DON'T HAVE IN THE CASE MAY BE.

>> CHAIR: I THOUGHT I WAS SPECIAL.

>> YOU ARE SPECIAL. WE ALL ARE SPECIAL. ANYWAY, UM, I AM HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT RIVERTOWN, SPECIFICALLY, THE DEVELOPMENT OF REGION IMPACT AND THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. WITH ME, TODAY, IS DJ SMITH WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT. RYAN STILLWELL WHO IS THE PROJECT CIVIL ENGINEER AND PATRICK PIERCE WHO IS THE PROJECT ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST. AND WE WILL CALL THEM UP IF WE NEED THEIR EXPERTISE. I'M GOING TO DO A COMBINED PRESENTATION BECAUSE THESE TWO APPLICATIONS ARE INTERRELATED. THEY THE RIVERTOWN DEVELOPMENT OF REGION IMPACT OR DRI, AND THE RIVERTOWN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR PUD ZONING WERE FIRST APPROVED BY THE COUNY COMMISSION IN 2004 AND REVISED IN 2010, 14, '17 AND '21 AND WE'RE HERE AGAIN TO MODIFY BOTH DOCUMENTS FOR THE REASONS WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IN A MINUTE. JUST GOING FORWARD, WE'RE NOT TEAKING AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO WHACK. WE'RE NOT SEEKING TO CHANGE ANY INCREASE ANY NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS OR SQUARE FOOTAGE OF COMMERCIAL SPACE, THIS LINE IS SIMPLY TO SHOW YOU THAT THE PROJECT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY APPROVED FOR 4500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. ABOUT 300,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE, 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE, 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SPACE, 184 ACRES OF RECREATION WHICH INCLUDE A RIVERFRONT PARK OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND ALSO BALL FIELDS, BOTH MULTIPURPOSES AND BASEBALL THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AND HOST REGIONAL ACTIVITIES AND SPORT'S LEAGUES FOR KIDS. 30 DOCKS WHICH ARE PRIVATE DOCKS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO SERVE IT'S RESIDENTS. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A AN 18-HOLE GOVERNMENT COURSE, THAT APPROVAL IS STILL EMBEDDED IN THESE DOCUMENTS BUT THERE'S NOT AN 18-HOLE GOVERNMENT COURSE OUT THERE TODAY AND THREE SCHOOL SITES WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT? JUST A MINUTE. THE PROPOSED DRI CHANGES WE'RE UPDATING THE SCHOOL MITIGATION PLAN. SO, THIS PROPERTY, AGAIN, THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED 2004 WHICH WAS BEFORE MODERN DAY CON CURRENCY AND PROPORTIONATE

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SO, THE THREE SCHOOL SITES ARE STILL ON THE TABLE. THE QUESTION IS HOW TO FUND THOSE SCHOOLS AND THE MOU THAT'S BEEN REPLACED BY A NEW AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS THE SCHOOL BOARD BUILDING THOSE SCHOOLS AND NOT THE RIVERTOWN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. SO, THAT'S JUST A DETAIL ABOUT THE HISTORY, BUT, WE HAVE TO UPDATE THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER TO REFLECT THIS NEW SCHOOL AGREEMENT. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE ABANDONMENT OF ONE OF THE EAGLE NEST SITES THAT WAS WITHIN THE PROPERTY. THE NENGS TREE NO LONGER EXISTS AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE THE LIBRARY SITE AND FIRE STATION SITE DEDICATION MEANING TO THE COUNTY TIMELINES AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN MORE DETAIL MAKE NOTE THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING RESIDENTIAL UNITS BUT NOTING FOR SCHOOL MITIGATION AND FOR THE PURPOSES OF CLEAN UP THAT THERE ARE 770 ACTIVE ADULT UNITS LIKE AGE RESTRICTED, DEED RESTRICTED SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE IMPACTS ON THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. AND THEN, WE'RE REFLECTING JUST A MINOR CHANGES TO MAP H, THE GREENWAY MAP AND THE WILDLIFE MAP, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE EAGLE NEST SITE BUT OTHER CLEAN UP THINGS THAT WE'LL GORY IN JUST A MINUTE. SO, I TOLD YOU THE DETAIL OF THE SCHOOL MITIGATION, SO, THAT REQUIRES THE JUST AN UPDATE TO SPECIAL CONDITION 29 OF THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER, THE SCHOOL MITIGATION AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD IN JULY OF LAST YEAR AND IT DOES REPLACE THAT OUTDATED MOU. WITH THE EAGLE NEST THAT YOU SEE ON THIS MAP IN THE YELLOW WHERE THE EAGLE NEST WAS, AS YOU KNOW, FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL LAW PROTECT BALD EAGLE NESTS AND SO, THERE'S A RADIUS AROUND IT WHICH IS A PROTECTION ZONE AND SINCE THAT NEST TREE NO LONGER EXISTS IT WAS BURNED IN A WILDFIRE AND THE NEST IS NO LONGER IN THAT LOCATION, WE VERIFIED WITH YOUR STAFF WITH THE FEDERAL AGENCY, AND THE STATE AGENCY WITH JURISDICTION THAT THAT'S PROTECTION ZONE WITH GO AWAY SO THAT MAP AMENDMENT IS INCLUDED AND WE'RE STRIKING THE LANGUAGE RELATED TO THE PROTECTION ZONE FROM THE DRI AND THE PUD. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT, MR. PIERCE IS HERE AND HE'S OUR QUALIFIED EXPERT. WITH RESPECT TO THE LIBRARY AND FIRE STATION SITES, YOU COULD SEE THOSE THAT ARE, YOU SEE THE LIBRARY SITE UP IN THIS AREA IN THE PURPLE, AND THEN, THE PROPOSED FIRE STATION SITE ALONG LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY. THE MODIFICATION APPLICATION, THE DRI MODIFICATION DEVELOPMENT ORDER CONTAINS EXTENDED DATES FOR THE COUNTY TO DECIDE IF IT WANTS THE LIBRARY AND OR FIRE STATION SITES. I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD AND I'LL PUT THESE UP. THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF WITH RESPECT TO THE FIRE STATION SITES. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPANDING THE FIRE STATION SITE. RIGHT NOW, THE REQUIREMENT IS TWO ACRES.

WE'VE SUBMITTED TO STAFF 3.21 ACRE SITE RIGHT OFF LONG LEAF P PINE PARKWAY WITH ANOTHER POND SITE SO THAT GIVES YOU A 4 PLUS ACRE SITE FOR THE FIRE STATION WITH GOOD ACCESS TO LONG LEAF PARKWAY. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS OKAY WITH THAT SITE. LIKES THAT LOCATION IN THIS REVISED AND INCREASE ACREAGE, I'LL LET THEM SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES IF THEY WANT TO ADD NOR DIALOG TO THAT. AND THEN, ALSO, IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED, THIS IS THE PROPOSED EXPANDED LIBRARY SITE SO 3.4 ACRES FOR THE SITE ITSELF, INSTEAD OF THREE AS IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER. AND THEN, A SHARED POND IN THIS LOCATION ALONG LONG LLONG LEAF PINE PARK THERE WILL BE A DRAINAGE EASEMENT AND AN ACCESS EASEMENT TO GET TO THE LIBRARY SITE. AND HOPEFULLY, THOSE SITES WORK FOR THE COUNTY STAFF, WE'RE WAITING FOR VERIFICATION ON THAT. BUT, JUST KNOW THAT IS ON THE TABLE.

I'M TELLING YOU THIS DETAIL, NOT BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER, BUT, BECAUSE, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT WE'RE

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>> CHAIR: RICHARD? >> WELL, I'M CONVINCED FROM LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION THAT THE EAGLE'S NEST TREE IS INDEED DEAD. SO, IT SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM CONSIDERATION. BUT, WHAT I COULDN'T TELL FROM ALL THE MAPS AND YOUR PRESENTATION JUST NOW, WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY GOING TO DO NOW IN THAT WHY ARE?

>> THAT AREA AND I THINK DJ, OR RYAN IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO THIS, BUT, IT'S GOING TO BE SINGLE-FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL

DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS I KNOW. >> BUT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE BEYOND THE 4950 UNITIES THAT YOU HAVE THERE?

>> YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. >> SO YOU'RE SPREADING THEM OUT

MORE? >> YES, SIR.

>> ALL RIGHT. I WAS HOPING THAT YOU WERE GOING TO WALK US THROUGH THE SCHOOL MITIGATION AGREEMENT. BUT, I SEE IT WAS SIGNED, SEALED AND DELIVERED IN JULY OR AUGUST, BILL SIGNED IT AND HE WAS A FRIEND OF MINE AND THE CHAIRMAN AT THE SCHOOL BOARD AT THE TIME. SO, IS THAT A DONE DEAL? BECAUSE THE SCHOOL BOARD SIGNED IT, OR DO WE HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THAT AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON IT?

>> SO, THAT AGREEMENT IS A DONE DEAL. WOVE TO MODIFY THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS THAT MOU. I WILL TELL YOU, SINCE WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE DETAIL. AND I'M TRYING TO FIND THE BEST MAP I CAN.

HOLD ON JUST ONE MINUTE, I APOLOGIZE.

>> CHAIR: DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, IT'S FINE.

>> THIS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, SO, THE MOU, THE OLD ONE, REQUIRED BEN, THE BARTRUM TRAIL HIGH SCHOOL AND TWO ELEMENTARY, AND THAT'S STILL PART OF THE DEAL, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE REALITY FOR THE SCHOOL MITIGATION SINCE THE MOU WAGS SIGNED IS LITERALLY, THE ST. JOE AND NOW, MADIMI, THEIR BEHRERS PAY THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEE TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. AND THESE THREE SITES, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HERE, THAT SITE IS DEEDED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. THE K-8 SITE HERE IS DEEDED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THERE'S A K-8 SCHOOL UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW TO OPEN IN FALL OF 2024. AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SITE HERE HAS NOT BEEN DEEDED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, BUT, THE SCHOOL AGREEMENT SET AS DATE OUT, A DEADLINE FOR CONVEYANCE OF THAT SCHOOL SITE.

THE RIVER TOWN DEVELOPMENT HAS GONE FROM THIS AREA AND IS PROGRESSING THIS WAY. AND SO, PART OF THE REASON THAT SCHOOL

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THIS SITE IS THE ONE THAT'S BEING WORKED ON NOW. THIS ROAD AND THIS ROAD WILL BE USED TO ACCESS THAT SITE. THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGED BETWEEN THE MOU AND THE NEW SCHOOL AGREEMENT. THE CDD WOULD HAVE HAD TO FUND THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATE THE SCHOOLS AND LEASE THE SCHOOLS TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.

THE SCHOOL BOARD UNDER PROPORTIONAL SHARE. THEY PREFER TO HAVE THEIR OWN SCHOOLS THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PROPROTOTYPES AN THEY'RE EXCELLENT IN SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION SO THEY PREFER TO BUILD THE SCHOOLS THEMSELVES WITH OBVIOUSLY, PROPERTY TAXES FROM RIVER TOWN AND THEN, THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEE PAYMENTS AS WELL AS THE SAME SCHOOL SITE DEDICATIONS.

>> SO, I READ THAT AGREEMENTORY SEVERAL TIMES AND I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, NOR DO I PRETEND TO BE ONE. HOW MANY SCHOOL NULLING AGED CHILDREN LIVE OUT THERE NOW? I THINK THERE ARE 1800 HOUSES ALREADY CONSTRUCTED AND ARE OCCUPIED, IS THAT CORRECT

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT DETAIL. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE

APPLICATION. >> DJS SAYING YES, THERE ARE

ABOUT 1800 HOMES ON SITE. >> DO YOU HAVE A FIGURE FOR HOW MANY SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN THAT LIVE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW?

>> I DON'T. >> BECAUSE, THERE WAS A TRIGGER NUMBER IN THE MOU, AND I KNOW THAT'S NOW GOING TO BE MOOT, BUT, 450 SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN, IF IT REACHED 450 SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN, THERE HAD TO BE A SCHOOL UP AND RUNNING.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. AND IF IT REACHED 1200, THERE HAD TO BE A

SECRETARY SITE? >> CORRECT.

>> I WOULD ASSUME THERE ARE ROUGHLY 450 SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN OUT THERE. THE SCHOOL'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION BUT NOT UP AND RUNNING. WHEN OR IF DID Y'ALL EXCEED 450 SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN?

>> WELL, THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HAS BEEN TERMINATED IT'S BEEN REPLACED WITH THE NEW SCHOOL AGREEMENT.

>> AND WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE THAT?

>> NO, THE SCHOOL AGREEMENT WAS BETWEEN MADIME AND THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED AND SO, IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER THERE'S A SPECIAL CONDITION THAT REFERENCES THE OLD MOU. SO, WE'RE REVISING THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER TO DELETE THE REFERENCE TO THE OLD MOU WHICH IS NOW TERMINATED AND ADD A REFERENCE TO THE NEW SCHOOL AGREEMENT BETWEEN MADIME AND THE SCHOOL BOARD.

>> I WAS CONCERNED THIS WAS APPROVED ORIGINALLY, THE MOU IN 2004 AND NOW, AS OF 2022, JULY, OR AUGUST, WHEN, UM, PHIL SIGNED THAT DOCUMENT, THE NEW SCHOOL MITIGATION AGREEMENT, THEY WERE 18 YEARS THERE OR WHATEVER, AND I JUST WONDERED, WHY, THE DEVELOPER DID NOT, IF IN DEED IF 450 OR 1200 STUDENTS WHY THERE WAS NOT A PERFORMANCE STANDARD TRIGGER AND THOSE SCHOOLS HAD TO BE BUILT AND THEN I WAS ALSO CONCERNED FOR 18 YEARS, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT COLLECTING MONEYS INTO THAT WOULD THEN BE BONDED TO THE SCHOOLS AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. EVEN THOUGH, FOR 18 YEARS YOU WERE UNDER THE

FORCE OF THAT MOU AGREEMENT. >> WELL, I WILL TELL YOU, DOCTOR, I WAS IN MEETINGS FROM 2014 UNTIL NOW, RELATED TO RIVER TOWN, THAT'S MY HISTOR OF RIVER TOWN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD WAS WELL AWARE OF THE MOU AND WE WERE BOTH OPERATING UNDER THE NEW LAW THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD WOULD COLLECT IMPACT FEES WHICH IT DID, SO, MADIME AND IT'S BUILDERS HAVE ALWAYS PAID SCHOOL IMPACT FEES TO THE COUNTY TO GIVE TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. SO, RIVER TOWN SCHOOLS, IF YOU WILL, THERE'S A POT OF MONEY, FOR THE COLLECTED FROM RIVER TOWN IN SCHOOL IMPACT FEES. AND KAMBIN, THE SCHOOL SITE THAT IS RIGHT HERE, THE K-8 HAS ALREADY BEEN DEEDED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. THIS SCHOOL SITE RIGHT HERE HAS ALREADY BEEN DEEDED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THIS ONE IS BEING HELD. SO THIS SCHOOL SITE WAS DEEDED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN THE MOU WAS STILL? PLACE BECAUSE BOTH PARTIES WERE OPERATING, YOU WOULD CALL IT,

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>> AND JUST FOR MY OWN PERSONAL EDIFICATION AND EDUCATION, WHEN WAS THAT PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT ADOPTED?

>> THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE LAW WAS APPROVED IN '08 OR '09 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT, AGAIN, WE CAN GO OVER THE HISTORY OF WHAT HAPPENED, BUT, BOTH PARTIES OPERATED TOGETHER IN MAKING RIVER DOWN SCHOOL MITIGATION WORK. NOW, IT'S BEEN PROPERLY DOCUMENTED AND WE'RE SIMPLY ASKING THIS BOARD AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION TO CHANGE A REFERENCE TO THE AGREEMENT IN THE SCHOOL BOARD IN THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER.

>> OKAY. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PUT ON MY GLASS TOSS READ THIS.

BUT, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, AT THE END OF THE APPLICATION, I THINK PAGE 192, THERE WAS A LETTER FROM THOMAS NICKLER, IT WAS AN E-MAIL AND TERESA BISHOP ANSWERED HIM ASKING ABOUT THE ENTRANCE OF THE NORTHSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, SINCE HE STATED THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC TRAVELING WEST ON ORANGE RANCH TRAIL, GETS TIED UP AT THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE WITH RIVER TOWN PROPERTY AND THIS HAS BECOME DANGEROUS OR GOLF CARTS, PEDESTRIANS, BIKERS, EXERCISERS, ET CETERA ET CETERA. THERE'S LOOK OF HEAVY CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IS THERE ANYTHING BOEING DONE TO ALLEVIATE THAT PARTICULAR

SITUATION IF IN DEED IT EXISTED. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN YOU'LL NOTE THAT FIRST OF ALL, LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY EXISTS THROUGH RIVER TOWN AND RIVER TOWN MAIN STREET IS BEING CONSTRUCTED. AS IT WORKS FROM THIS AREA OF THE PROPERTY DOWN, AGAIN, PASSED THE SCHOOL SITE. THIS ROAD, THIS IS A CONSTRUCTION AREA, THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED YET. SO, AGAIN, THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS, IF YOU WILL. SO, THE ROAD WILL CONTINUE TO BE CONSTRUCTED, RIGHT PASSED THIS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SITE AND WILL EVENTUALLY CONNECT TO GREENBRIER ROAD. SO, YES, THERE'S CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC BECAUSE THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT. EVENTUALLY, RIVER TOWN MAIN STREET WILL CONNECT TO GREENBRIER TO GET ACCESS. PEOPLE CAN GO TO LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY TO GET OUT OF RIVER TOWN NOW, BUT, FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES HAVE TO USE THE ROADS UNTIL RIVER TOWN MAIN STREET IS CONNECTED UP TO GREENBRIER ROAD.

>> OKAY. SO, THERE WERE 10 SEGUE PAL THE OR INTERSECTIONS, ALL REFERENCED IN THE APPLICATION THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MONITORS EVERY 24 MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I JUST WONDER IF THOSE MONITORING ARE THOSE ROAD SECTIONS CRITICAL AND IF SO, WHAT'S BEING DONE TO MITIGATING THAT. AND THAT GETS BACK TO THE QUESTION OF SAFETY CONCERNS OUT THERE IN GENERAL.

>> OKAY, THE RIVER TOWN DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER STILL -- LET ME BACK UP. SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE STATE LEGISLATOR GOT RID OF DRIS, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A NEW DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL

IMPACT ANYMORE. >> I'M AWARE.

>> THE LEGISLATOR GOT RID OF DRI MONITORING REQUIREMENTS AS LONG AS THAT WAS OKAY WITH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND RIVER TOWN HAVE AGREED THAT THE TRAFFIC MONITORING NEEDS TO CONTINUE. SO, THAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER STILL. MR. STILLWELL AND HIS TEAM PROVIDED THAT DRI MONITORING REPORT. THE REQUIREMENT IS SIMPLY TO PROVIDE THE REPORT. LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY AND AS YOU ARE PROBABLE ALL AWARE OF, RIGHT NOW, VETERAN'S PARKWAY BETWEEN COUNTY ROAD 210 AND LONG LEAF PARKWAY FURTHER NORTH BY THE STILL WATER PROJECCT THAT MS. TAYLOR TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. THAT ROAD IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW AS PART OF WHAT'S CALLED PIPELINING

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INSUFFICIENT. >> I LOOKED AT THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION THERE B BUT, I HAVE TO SAY I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IT. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

>> AND SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT ORDERS ARE PERFECTLY WRITTEN.

BUT, UM YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE. AGAIN, LLONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY THAT BOX IS CHECKED AND THAT'S THE REMAINING FOR TRANSPORTATION

MITIGATION FOR RIVER TOWN. >> LEAF PINE PARKWAY AND THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY?

>> WELL, ACTUALLY, VETERAN'S PARKWAY DOESN'T RIVER TOWN. IT

GOES FROM COUNTY ROAD 210. >> NORTH OF THERE?

>> NORTH FROM 210 TO P LEAF PINE PARKWAY UP TO RACE THERE WILL TRACK ROAD. AND IT'S THE LENARS OBLIGATION UNDER THE STILL WATER PROJECT WHICH USED TO BE GREENBRIER DOWNS TO WIDEN THE SEGMENT OF VETERANS'S PARKWAY FROM LONG LEAF TO RACE TRACK TO FOUR LANES. ALL OF LEAF PINE PARKWAY SHOULD BE FOUR LANES GOING NORTH BECAUSE LENARS DOING THAT SECTION AND GREENBRIER IS PAYING ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO DO THE SECTION BETWEEN

BETWEEN 210 ALONG LEAF. >> CHAIR: ELVIS?

>> CAN I ASK THE PROFESSIONAL A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, PLEASE.

>> I THINK THIS IS THE SECOND ONE THAT WE HAVE WHERE WE'RE BUILDING A FIRE STATION AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S YOUR PROCESS. ONCE YOU'VE BEEN NOTIFIED?

>> WE ANALYZE THE AREA THAT NEEDS THE FIRE STATION AND THIS WILL BE AN INFILL FIRE STATION WHERE WE HAVE TWO STATIONS ALREADY ESTABLISHED. THE GROWTH OF THE AREA IS CAUSING INCREASE IN CALLS AND THIS IS AN INFILL FOR TWO OF THE FIRE STATIONS.

>> DO YOU EVER SAY NO TO A FIRE STATION?

>> NOT NECESSARILY NO, WE HAVE SITES NOT USED WHICH ARE TURNED BACK TO THE COUNTY OR THE DEVELOPER FOR OTHER USES.

>> AND WHERE DO THE RESOURCES COME FROM FOR THE FIRE STATIONS.

THE DEVELOPER IS BUILDING THE FIRE STATION, BUT, WHERE DO YOU

GET THE RESOURCES? >> THROUGH COUNTY FUNDING.

>> OKAY. (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> >> SORRY, BURIED IN MY NOTES IS ANOTHER QUESTION. THERE WAS SOMETHING IN YOUR APPLICATION I CAN'T STATE WHAT PAGE IT'S ON. BUT, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FIRE ACTIVITIES. YOU STATED THAT YOU WILL NOT BE INCREASING THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ABOVE THE 4950 AND OF COURSE, I ACKNOWLEDGE THE 770 RESTRICTION BUT WHERE IS THAT ADDITION UNTIL MULTIFAMILY LOT GOING TO BE AND HOW MANY UNIT SHALL WILL IT BE?

>> SO, THE MULTI, I'M GOING TO STAND HERE BECAUSE I'M GOING TO PUT SOMETHING, I NEED TO LOOK AT A DOCUMENT, BUT, IN, UM, THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER, SPECIAL CONDITION 24 RELATED TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THIS BOARD AND THE COUNY COMMISSION IN 2021 APPROVED A CHANGE TO THAT SPECIAL CONDITION THAT PROVIDED FOR OWNER COUPED UNITS. THAT SITE WHICH IS NOT SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION WHICH WAS 2021 IS GOING TO BE LLONG LEAF PINE

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TRANSLATED INTO THE PUD. >> SO THESE ARE UNITS AT

$260,000 OR LESS? >> WELL, THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER SAYS THAT -- AND IF I CAN PUT THIS UP...

>> CHAIR: SURE. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THIS.

>> SO, THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER -- THIS IS SPECIAL CONDITION 24-A, I WON'T READ IT ALL TO YOU, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT 150 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AND THESE WILL BE OWNER OCCUPIED, FOR-SALE UNITS.

>> OKAY. SO, THEY WILL MEET THAT CRITERIA OF THE $260,000

THRESHOLD? >> WELL, IT SAYS THEY WILL BE FOR SALE UNITS HAVING A PURCHASE PRICE AT OR BELOW THE PURCHASE LIMITS ESTABLISHED FROM TIME TO TIME UNDER THE COUNTY LOCAL HOUSING ASSISTANCE PLAN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT TRANSLATED TO, BECAUSE THAT AMOUNT CHANGES FROM YEAR TO YEAR, IT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS THE WORKFORCE HOUSING ZONING DISTRICT WHICH IS NEXT ON THE AGENDA.

>> THANK YOU FOR SETTING ME STRAIGHT ON THAT.

>> OKAY. THANKS. >> OKAY. JACK.

>> YES, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE LIBRARY SITE AND THE FIRE STATION SITE. IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, IT REFERENCES TWO COMMENTS FROM BOTH THE LIBRARY SERVICES THAT YOU NEED AT LEAST

TWO ACRES PER SITE. >> THE ONLY CHANGES THAT WE'RE SEEKING TO MAKE TO THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER RELATE TO THE CONVEYANCE DATES, BOTH OF WHICH HAVE SINCE PASSED. WE AS MATIME ARE NOT SEEKING TO CHANGE THE ACREAGE OF THE RENAL FIRE STATION SITE. THE COUNTY REACHED OUT TO MATIME AND THEY

AGREED TO PUT UP THOSE SITES. >> BUT THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE

CHANGE? >> NO, WE'VE PROPOSED TO THEM SUBJECT TO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WHICH IS THE MECHANISM THAT WE USE FOR EXAMPLE FOR RIVER TOWN, THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF MOUS, ONE OF THEM RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE RIVER FRONT PARK WHICH IF YOU GO OUT TO THE RIVER FRONT PARK IN RIVER TOWN IT'S A BEAUTIFUL TOWN, IT HAS REST ROOMS AND A DOCK AND ALL OF THAT. IF YOU GO THROUGH THE FIELDS OF THAT, THERE ARE MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS WITH A BEAUTIFUL BASEBALL PARK ALL OF THEM ARE USED BY HEBBS OF THE COMMUNITY NOT JUST IN RIVER TOWN. THOSE MOUS --

>> I WANT TO BE SURE THAT THE COUNTY GETS ENOUGH LAND FOR THE LIBRARY AND THE FIRE STATION AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT THEY

NEED. >> I UNDERSTAND, BUT, THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER HAS HAD THOSE ACREAGES OF TWO AND THREE SINCE 2004. MATIME IS BEING A GOOD CORPORATE CITIZEN WE'RE PROFFERG THAT TO YOU, AND WE'LL PROFFER IT TO YOU ON THE RECORD SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT'S WHAT MATIME IS WILLING TO DO.

>> CHAIR: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN ABOUT THE ROUND ABOUT REFERENCE?

>> I'LL GET MR. STILLWELL TO EXPLAIN THE ROUND ABOUT.

>> RYAN STILLWELL, 13901, SUTTON PARK DRIVE. I'M WITH PROSPER CIVIL ENGINEERING. MATTAMY TOOK OVER, THERE WAS ONE

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NOW IT WILL ULTIMATELY BE THREE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE

ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK TO

THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> MEGHAN?

>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF DRIMOD 2022, RIVER TOWN BASED

UPON FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT. >> SECOND.

>> CHAIR: A MOTION MADE AND A SECOND BY JACK ON ITEM NUMBER 9.

ANY DISCUSSION? >> LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

>> ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. LET'S MOVE

[11. Discussion Item - Workforce Housing Zoning District.]

>> OKAY, WE'LL GET STARTED. I WILL GET STARTED BY DISCUSSING THE CURRENT WORKFORCE HOUSING ORDINANCE OF ST. JOHNS. IT HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE AUGUST OF 2021. THE ORDINANCE NEED TO BE UPDATED DUE TO INCREASED IMPACT FEES, GOVERNMENT REGULATION, BUILDING AND LAND COST IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS IS EVIDENCE BY ROUGHLY $580,000 MEDIAN HOME PRICE IN THE COUNTY. THE CURRENT ORDINANCE REQUIRES 40% OF OVERALL UNITS TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING WHICH IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR BUILDINGERS AND DEVELOPERS TO MEET DUE TO ECONOMIC CONDITIONS. IT ALSO DOESN'T ADDRESS AFFORDABLE RENT UNITS. THE AVERAGE RENTAL RATE $8,929 A MONTH. WITH THE CURRENT WORKFORCE HOUSING PRICE LIMIT IS $240,000 IN ST. JOHNS, HOWEVER, ALSO, WITH THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, THE HIGHEST SCENE IN 50 YEARS, COMMON SENSE DICTATES THAT THE ORDINANCE'S CURRENT PRICE LIMIT MUST INCREASE AS WELL. AND, AS FAR AS THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGES ARE CONCERNED, IT REDUCES THE REQUIRES PERCENTAGE OF WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS TO 30% TO MATCH OTHER COUNTIES OF SIMILAR SIZE AND WEALTH AND ADS AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS THESE ARE NEEDED TO PROPERLY SERVE EMPLOYEEING SERVING THE COUNTY WHO MAY NOT WANT TO BUY. AND IT ALSO MODIFIED THE PRICE POINT AND RAISES THE PRICE POINT FROM $280,000 TO $206,000. BASED ON CHANGES IN CONSTRUCTION COST. AFTER THE PROPOSED INCREASE WHICH YOU ALL DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING WE WOULD STILL BE 30% LOWER IN SARASOTA AND MARTIN COUNTIES IN WEALTH AND SIZE AND ALLOWS THE BUILDER TO PAY QUALIFIED CLOSING COST ON BEHALF OF BUYERS, MANY BUYER DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT SAVING TO PAY FOR THE DOWN PAYMENTS AND CLOSING COSTS. MOST FORK WORST HOMES CURRENTLY UNDER DEVELOPMENT ARE TOWN HOMES, TYPICALLY IN 8-UNIT BUILDINGS, DUPLEXES PROVIDE A GREAT

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IT'S ALSO VITAL TO UNDERSTAND THIS $260,000 PRICE POINT IS LESS THE CURRENT MEDIAN IN ST. JOHNS WHICH IS ROUGHLY $580,000 AND, WITH THAT, I JUST APPRECIATE YOU ALL ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT TODAY. I DID SEND YOU, AND IT'S ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET, THE RED LINE EXPLAINING THE CHANGES WHICH WE ARE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER. AND IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW BOB PORTER, ONE OF MY TEAM MEMBERS TO GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION BEFORE WE DISCUSS THE OR HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE

ISSUE. >> CHAIR: SURE.

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU, BOB PORTER, 4220 RACE TRACK ROAD, I WANTED TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED HERE. ONE IS WHEN WE GOT STARTED TO DEVELOP ORDINANCE, IT WAS THE IDEA THAT WE WANTED TO TRY AND ADDRESS THE ISSUE WITH THREE ENTERPRISES. AS AUSTIN MENTIONED, THERE ARE NO WAIVERS OF FEES OR REDUCTION OF ANY BUILDING STANDARDS OR SUBDIVISION STANDS OR THAT SORT OF THING. AND THAT IS THE BIGGEST THING THAT I HEAR PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT, THE PROPOSAL AS IT IS, IS THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THE PROBLEMS. WE DO NOTHING TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS AT ALL. AND, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN WITH FREE ENTERPRISE, AND WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF FOLKS MAKING $20 AN HOUR AND ARE SINGLE AND NEED A PLACE TO LIVE. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD DO THAT BY OURSELVES, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME HELP. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH THE CHAMBER ABOUT TRYING TO ADDRESS THE SINGLE EMPLOYEES IN PLACES LIKE (INDISCERNIBLE) AND THAT KEPT OF THING. WE'LL BE BACK AT SOME POINT TO TRY AND TALK ABOUT THAT. AND WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE ASKING FOR SOME CONCESSIONS WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. I THINK, WHAT THIS DOES IS WHAT WE'VE SET OUT TO TRY AND DO. NEW DEPUTY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY STARTS AT $50,000 A YEAR. IF HE IS MARRIED, HE COULD PROBABLY QUALIFY FOR ONE OF THESE HOUSES. IT TAKES CARE OF A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, SOME OF THE HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND TEACHERS AND THAT KIND OF THING. BUT, IT DOESN'T ADDRESS EVERYTHING, BUT, I THINK IT IS A START. I THINK ITCH'S HEARD THE OLD RIDDLE ABOUT HOW DO YOU EAT AN ELEPHANT AND THE ANSWER IS ONE BITE AT A TIME. THIS DOES NOT TAKE CARE OF THE ELEPHANT BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT FIRST STEP AND WE'RE

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU.

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QUESTIONS? RICHARD? >> I DON'T CARE WHO ANSWERS THE QUESTION, MAY BE EVEN STAFF, HOW MANY UNITS HAVE BEEN BUILT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY UNDER THE STANDARD OF 40% OF THE DEVELOPMENT? I THINK SINCE I'VE BEEN ON HERE, WE'VE APPROVED THREE OR FOUR, THERE WAS ONE BY CROOKSHAG BY THAT CORNWALL GROCERY, AND ONE NORTH OF 207 BY OCEOLA ELEMENTARY. HOW MANY OF THESE HAVE BEEN APPROVED SINCE WE STARTED?

>> THREE OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE GOTTEN THIS ZONING CATEGORY ARE (INDISCERNIBLE) THE ONE THAT IS OUT ON U.S. 1 BY THE DOLLAR GENERAL THERE, RAVENS WOOD BY THE ELEMENTARY, THOSE TWO ARE UNDER DEVELOPMENT. WE WILL PROBABLY START HOUSES. OKAY. AND, THE IDEA OF THIS IS THAT IT WOULD, AND THE OTHER ONE THAT WE'RE DOING IS CALLED CORDERA BY THE PROJECT ON 207 WE PROBABLY BREAK GROUND ON DEVELOPMENT IN ABOUT 60 DAYS. SO, NO HOME THAT IS I'M AWARE OF WERE BUILT THERE AND I'M SURE THAT MINE ARE THE FIRST ONES. AND THIS CHANGE WOULD APPLY TO THOSE AND THE REASON THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT IS, OUR COSTS HAVE GONE UP DRAMATICALLY IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, I MENTIONED THAT WE WANT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM WITH FREE ENTERPRISE AND THE WAY WE DO THAT IS TO GET A COMMERCIAL BUILDER TO COME IN. IF IT IS MY LOWEST PROJECT IT'S REALLY HARD TO COMMIT. SO, (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> THAT LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION. SO, THE, LOWERING FROM THE 40% THRESHOLD TO THE 30% THRESHOLD, THAT WILL NOW APPLY TO THOSE THAT WE ALREADY APPROVED AT FO40?

>> YES, IF THE COMMISSION VOTES TO DO THAT.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THIS I VOTED AGAINST ITTIOUS BECAUSE, I THOUGHT 40% SEEMED REASONABLE.

BUT, I DIDN'T REMEMBER SEEING ALL THE FIGURES FOR OTHER COUNTIES LIKE SARASOTA AND THE ADJACENT COUNTY AS WELL. BUT, LOOKING AT THAT CHART WHICH WAS PRESENTED WAS PRETTY CONVINCING.

UM, AND THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO KEEP PACE WITH WORKFORCE HOUSING. I STILL DON'T LIKE LOWERING IT TO 30% BUT I COULD SEE THE NEED FOR THAT. BUT, I'M WONDERING SHOULD THAT $260,000 THRESHOLD, IS THAT, EVEN AT THIS POINT, IN YOUR OPINION, NEED TO BE UPPED? I MEAN, IS THAT TOO LOW?

>> WELL, THE WAY WE LOOKED AT IT IS, CURRENTLY, IT'S 240, AND WE DID THAT ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. THE TWO 60 ESSENTIALLY REPRESENTS A 6% ANNUAL INCREASE RIGHT NOW, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING OVER A 10% INCREASE GENERALLY.

IN EXPENSES AND THAT KIND OF THING. IT'S A COMPROMISE. YOU KNOW, WE WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE GOT TO DO TO KEEP IT DOWN.

AND, WE COULD GET BY WITH THE 260. WE DO CALL FOR ADJUSTMENTS. UP OR DOWN, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HOPE INFLATION WILL MODERATE, AND THE SUPPLY CHAIN WILL GET BETTER, AT SOME POINT, BUT WE'VE BEEN HOPING FOR THAT FOR TWO YEARS AND HAVEN'T SEEN ANY REAL INDICATION OF THAT, BUT, SOME DAY, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. SO, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE LAST TIME THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SEE US AS CONDITIONS CHANGE AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL FIND A WAY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE LOWER INCOME FOLKS.

WHETHER THAT'S ASKING TO WAVE IMPACT FEES OR WHATEVER.

OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A HARDER SELL ALL THE WAY THROUGH. SO, WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GET THIS DONE, MOVE ON, AND, GET TOGETHER AND STUDY IT AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING TO SKIP TO.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, JUST TO ELABORATE MORE, MR. PORTER'S RIGHT, NONE HAVE BEEN BUILT AND AS OCTOBER WE LOOKED AT THE TOTAL AND WORKFORCE UNITS AND AT THAT TIME, IT WAS AROUND 397-400 UNITIES WHICH HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

>> I ALSO VOTED AGAINST THIS LAST TIME, I THINK WHEN IT CAME UP. HAVING SEEN THE CHART, THOUGH, IT MAKES A BIG

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>> (INAUDIBLE) J (INAUDIBLE) >> CAN I PARAPHRASE?

>> I THINK THE QUESTION IS, WHY WOULD YOU SELL HOUSES AT $260,000 WHEN YOU COULD TELL THEM AT $580,000. THAT'S THE

QUESTIONMENT >> WELL, FOR ONE THING, DRHORTON HAS SPECIALIZED IN DOING ENTRY LEVEL HOMES. WE DO A LOTTED OF VOLUME AND WE DO NOT DO MANY $500,000 HOMES. VERY FEW. FOR ONE THING, BUT, WHAT THE ORDINANCE GIVES US NOW, REGARD LINGS OF WHAT THE PRICE CHANGE IS, WE'RE ABLE TO COBETTER DENSITY, RIGHT? SO I COULD BUILD MORE HOMES IF I KEEP THE PRICES DOWN. SO, THAT HELPS SOME SITES THAT WOULD BE TOO SMALL TO BE ABLE TO GO EFFECTIVELY DO, IF I GO DO A 50-LOT SUBDIVISION, IN MOST PLACES I HAVE TO BUILD A LIFT STATION WHICH COSTS ABOUT $600,000. AND IT'S THE SAME COST, WHETHER IT'S FOR 50 LOTS OR IF IT'S FOR 200 LOTS SO THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY HELPS US TO KEEP THE COST DOWN.

>> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> BETH GREETING. . >> BETH GREEDY, JACKSONVILLE, 32256. I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS SINCE WE FIRST CAME WAY UP THE WORKFORCE HOUSING DESIGNATION AND I KNOW SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN IS IF YOU GO TO 30%, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO FEWER UNITIES. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. IF WE DON'T GET THE 30% AND THE 260, THERE'LL BE NO NEW PROJECTS COMING FORWARD. IF DL HORTON CAN'T AFFORD TO BUILD THEM, NO ONE ELSE CAN. I'M LOOKING AT A PROJECT TO BRING 360 WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS AS PART OF THE PACKAGE. I'M WAITING TO SEE IF I'LL BE ABLE TO BRING THAT PROJECT FORWARD OR NOT, AND WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE HERE, IF WE CAN MAKE SOME MONEY, WE CAN PROVIDE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND AS BOB PORTER SAID WE'VE MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE CHAMBER AND WE WILL BE COME CAN BACK FOR OTHER PRICE POINTS THAT WE CAN'T COVER COMPLETELY AS PRIVATE SECTOR, AND WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL BE OPEN TO THOSE REQUESTS AS WELL. THANK YOU.

>> TOM INGRAM. >> TOM INGRAM 233 EAST BAY STREET, JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA, AND I'M HERE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. THIS IS PART OF A PORTFOLIO OF EFFORTS BEING UNDER TAKEN BY THE COUNTY TO ADDRESS THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND AS BOB PORTER SAID WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU ON ANOTHER ORDINANCE LATER. AND TO MR. PIERCE'S QUESTION ABOUT WHAT INCENTIVES ARE THERE UNDER THIS ORDINANCE, THE REALITY IS IT'S NOT A STRONG INCENTIVE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW. WE NEED MORE IN PARTICULAR TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. THE COUNTY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WAIVING THEIR IMPACT FEES ALL TOGETHER FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BUT, THAT'S A SEPARATE SUBJECT FOR ANOTHER DAY. THIS WILL HELP DRATS NEED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL RECOMMEND ADOPTION AS WRITTEN. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, TOM. >> BETH TATE.

>> >> I'M BETH TATE, 441 EAST COASTSLY LANE IN ST. JOHNS. I'M HERE TODAY IN MY ROLE AS CHAIR OF THE ST. JOHNS SHIM BETTER OF COMMERCE PUBLIC POLICY COMMIT AAND I CHAIR THE CHAMBER'S ESSENTIAL WORKER HOUSING COALITION. THE FOLLOWING THAT I WILL SHARE WITH YOU TODAY WAS APPROVED BY THE ENTIRE BOARD OF DIRECTORS IN THE ST. JOHNS BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AS THE WORKFORCE HOUSING ISSUES IMPACT OUR CRITICAL WORKERS AND MEDICAL, MANUFACTURING, PUBLIC SAFETY AND EDUCATION SECTORS. THERE IS NO QUESTION ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS

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THESE PROFESSIONS ARE THE BACKBONE OF OUR COUNTY. AND WITHOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY ECONOMY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND THRIVE IN THE COMING YEARS. IN JUNE OF 2022, THE CHAMBER PUT TOGETHER AN ESSENTIAL WORKER HOUSING COALITION, TO TACKLE THE ISSUE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR OUR ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE WHICH INCLUDES PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRST RESPONDERS, MEDICAL, INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING, AND EDUCATORS. THE COALITION MEMBERSHIP INCLUDES REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH SECTOR AS WELL AS PEOPLE WERE THEBANKING AND INVESTMENT SECTORS. IN EARLY JULY WE HELD OUR FIRST MEETING TO EXPLORE THE PARAMETERS OF THE ISSUE AND DISCUSS THE VIABLE SOLUTIONS. WE HAD SEVERAL MORE INCLUDING A MEETING IN AUGUST WHERE WE HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA BUILDER'S ASSOCIATION PRESENT A PROPOSAL FOR POSSIBLE CHANGES IN THE ORDINANCE AS OCCURRED TODAY.

OUR COALITION HAS BEEN DILIGENTLY DID YOU SAY SCHUSSING, REFINING AND RECOMMENDING MODIFICATIONS TO THAT PROPOSAL SINCE THE AUGUST MEETING IN ORDER TO TRY AND REACH A CONSENSUS. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHANGES TO THE EXISTING LAW THAT HAVE BEEN ENACTED COULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF BUILDING AFFO AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. INCREASING THE PRICE FROM 240 TO 260. WE MET AGAIN THIS WEEK TO TRY AND CONTINUE THESE DISCUSSIONS. ULTIMATELY, THE COALITION'S GOAL IS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF ESSENTIAL WORKER HOUSING UNITS BEING BUILT IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. WHETHER THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY, REPLETE PAS -- APARTMENTS, CONDOS. WE RECENTLY POLLED ALL OF OUR MEMBERS ON THE ESSENTIAL HOUSING UNITS NEEDED IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO THREE OF OUR LARGEST EMPLOYERS. I'LL SHARE THAT WITH YOU. WE CAN SEE THAT. THESE NUMBERS ARE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND FROM FLAGLER HEALTH. THE DEFICIT BETWEEN THE PROPOSED SOLUTION AND WHAT IS NEEDED BY THREE OF OUR LARGEST EMPLOYERS IS NEARLY 1500 UNITS. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. WE AGREE WITH THE PROPOSELES COMING TO THE BOARD TODAY. WE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD EXPAND AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS, MANY FAMILIES WHO NEED AFFORDABLE HOMES EITHER DON'T WANT TO OR ARE UNABLE TO PURCHASE A HOME IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THEY NEED RENTAL OPTIONS AND WE SHOULD EXPAND THE OPTIONS TO INCLUDE THE OF DUPLEX HOMES. MOST HOMES UNDER DEVELOPMENT ARE TOWN HOMES AND 8-UNIT BUILDINGS AND ADDING THE. 100 UNITS OR MORE TO MAKE 5-10% OF THE UNITIES CLASSIFIED AS AFFORDABLE. (INAUDIBLE) WE AGREE TO ALLOW ENCROACHMENTS AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE FIRE CODE AND ADD DENSITY IN CERTAIN LAND USE CATEGORIES. WE SHOULD ADAPT THE REGULATORY CODE REQUIREMENTS LIKE EXTENDING THE START TIME FOR DEVELOPMENT TO TWO TO IT THREE YEARS TO PROVIDE POUR ADDITIONAL TIME TO GET THOSE COMPLETED. THE ELEMENTS OF THE COORDINATES AND LIMITS STILL UNDER DISCUSSION AND THAT WE'RE STILL STRUGGLING WITH ARE REDUCING THE CORE PERCENTAGE OF WORKFORCE HOUSING FROM 40% TO 30% AND RAISING THE BASE PRICE FROM TWO 40 TO TWO 60. WE'RE COMMITTED TO WORK WITH THE REST OF THE BUILD COMMUNITY WITH FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND OTHERS TO TRY AND RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM ACROSS OUR COUNTY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND LISTENING TO US.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO OFFER ANY REBUTTAL?

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>> I WOULD SIMPLY SAY THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO TRY AND WORK ON, WE JUST HEARD A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT NEEDS AND IDEAS. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT ANY OF THEM ARE NOT IMPORTANT, BUT, WE HAVE ONE HERE THAT WE CAN DO NOW THAT HELPS, NOT EVERYBODY, BUT, HELPS A LOT OF PEOPLE AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT THAT OUT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE IF WE START TRYING TO GET WAIVERS AND IMPACT FEES AND MONEY FROM THE STATE, MONEY FROM HERE, AND MONEY FROM THERE, WE WAIT UNTIL THAT IS ALL ACCOMPLISHED, BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, WE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT IS USEABLE FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR SO. SO, I'M HAPPY TO TRY AND WORK ON IT, BUT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THIS TODAY.

>> THANK YOU, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

ELVIS? >> I, I HAVE A QUESTION, DO YOU KNOW, BY CHANCE WHAT THE MINIMUM ANNUAL INCOME IS TO BE ABLE TO

AFFORD A $260,000 HOME? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME. I KNOW THAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, IF WE HAD TWO FOLKS MAKING LIKE, SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES, LIKE, IT'S HARD FOR ANYBODY TO QUALIFY FOR THAT UNLESS YOU'RE MAKING (INAUDIBLE).

>> CHAIR: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IN NOT WE'RE BACK TO

THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> CHRISTINE VALORE. I WANT TO BE SURE OF THE PROVIDE DO YOU RECALL ASPECT OF THIS. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WAS ADVERTISED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, I THINK THIS MAY BE JUST A PRESENTATION ITEM. JUST, GROWTH MANAGEMENT STAFF WOULD KNOW IF THIS WAS ADVERTISED FOR TODAY?

>> HI, AMY WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT, IT WAS ADVERTISED AS A DISCUSSION ITEM. I'M PRESENTS THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT NEXT.

>> SO, THIS IS NOT BEFORE YOU AS AN ORDINANCE.

>> OKAY. >> RECOMMENDATION, TO THE BOARD. BUT, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS DIRECTED BY THE BOARD JUST REGARDING THE 40% TO 30% AND THE INCREASE TO $260,000, THAT WILL HAVE TWO READINGS BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND I'M SURE A PRESENTATION WILL BE MADE AT THE FIRST MEETING AND AT THAT TIME, THE BOARD WILL DIRECT ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS PART

OF THAT. >> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE DON'T NEED AN OFFICIAL REGISTERED VOTE HERE, BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD TO HEAR FROM US ON THIS. EUGENE, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY WITH

REGARD TO THE PROPOSAL. >> I SIGNED MY FIRST CONTRACT TO TEACH A LONG TIME AGO FOR UNDER $29,000, SO, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THEY THINK THAT THEY'RE DOING, TRYING TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

>> RICHARD? >> I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO APPROVE

THIS. MEGHAN? >> I RARELY AGREE WITH THAT,

BUT, I AGREE. >> JACK.

>> I ALSO AGREE. I THINK THAT (INAUDIBLE)

[12. Amendment to the Comprehensive Plan, Land Use Element A.1.11.1(m), reducing the percentage of minimum required dedicated workforce housing units from 40% to 30%.]

>> IT'S A BIG ISSUE AND WE'RE EATING THE ELEPHANT A BITE AT A

TIME. >> I AGREE (INAUDIBLE)

>> OKAY. >> WHAT I THINK THAT YOU COULD DO IS YOU DO HAVE YOUR LAST ACTION ITEM WHICH IS REGARDING A RECOMMENDATION ON THE PROPOSED COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AS PART OF YOUR AGENCY'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, I THINK THAT YOU COULD ADD YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED

CHANGES FROM NEPA. >> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR: WELL, THEN, LET'S GO ONTO ITEM 12. MS. RING?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M AMY RING WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT, HERE TO PRESENT AGENDA ITEM 12, THE AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. THIS IS THE AMENDMENT PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING ON DECEMBER 1ST. FOR BACKGROUND, ON OCTOBER 18TH OF LAST YEAR, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REQUESTED THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT STAFF DRAFT AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 5.11.0 WORKFORCE HOUSING ZONING DESIGNATION REGULATIONS. AND WE

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>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> ELVIS? >> I THOUGHT WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US, EARLIER, THERE WERE THREE THINGS. CHANGE IN THE PRICE OF THE HOUSE. THE PERCENTAGE, AND, THE (INAUDIBLE)

>> >> THESE WERE THE ITEMS INCLUDED IN THE MOTION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS

INITIALLY. >> DO WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS?

>> ALL RIGHT, SO, WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION AND YOU MAY WANT TO, I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO POSTURE THE MOTION, SO, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO MEGHAN.

>> ALL RIGHT. MEGHAN. >> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF TRANSMITTAL COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2022-07 TO REVISE

[Staff Reports]

AT TODAY'S HEARING. >> SECOND.

>> CHAIR: WE HAVE A SECOND BY JACK, ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S

REGISTER THE VOTE. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

>> SO, WE'RE THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATIONS FOR THE DAY.

STAFF DO WE HAVE REPORTS TODAY? >>

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> THANK YOU.

[Agency Reports]

>> MR. CHAIR, JUST, ONE NOTE, UM, YOU SAW ALL OF THE MINUTES THAT CAME THROUGH, AND POINT TAKEN THAT, UM, WE WERE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING

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