Jan 17, 2023 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order by Chair]

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>> CHAIR: GOOD MORNING, AND WELCOME TO THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FL - BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON ANY AGENDA ITEM DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT IS LIMITED TO 3 MINUTES. SHOULD THE PRESENTER HAVE EXHIBITS OR PHOTOGRAPHS PLEASE PROVIDE THIS TO THE CLERK OF THE COURT FOR THE RECORD. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK OF THE COURT TO TAKE ROLE. CHAIR COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN WHITHURST?

>> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER KRISTA JOSEPH?

>> PRESENT. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU, WE'RE ALL PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR. THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MY PASTOR, JASON COMB OF CHRIST CHURCH TO LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION. IF EVERYBODY WOULD PLEASE STAND UP AND JOIN ME.

>> (INAUDIBLE). >> (INAUDIBLE)

>> (INDISCERNIBLE)

> >> CHAIR: PASTOR, THANK YOU.

NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE TO THE PODIUM, LIEUTENANT COLONEL, RETIRED, WHO SERVED THIS COMMUNITY TORE 25 YEARS, 25 OF THOSE YEARS AS A GREEN BERET, HE'S THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE ANCIENT CITY CHAPTER OF THE MILITARY OFFICES OF SOUTH

FLORIDA. >> IT IS ALWAYS A PLIF AND AN HONOR FOR ME TO PLEDGE TO OUR FLAG IN OUR GREAT NATION, PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

[Ceremonial Oath of Office for District 3 Commissioner Roy Alaimo]

>> CHAIR: WONDERFUL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, NOW, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE CEEEMONIAL OATH OF OFFICE FOR OUR DISTRICT 3

COMMISSIONER, ROY ALAIMO. >> I, ROY ALAIMO, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND THE STATE OF THE FLORIDA THAT I'M DUALLY QUALIFIED TO HOLD OFFICE, UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE, AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY PERFORM THE DUTIES OF COUNT COMMISSIONER ON WHICH I AM NOW ABOUT TO ENTER, SO HELP ME GOD.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

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(APPLAUSE) >> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT, WELCOME

[Public Safety Update]

CHIEF, WELCOME. >> SCOTT BOLLARD, INTERIM FIRE RESCUE CHIEF. BEEN HERE 21 YEARS WITH THE DEPARTMENT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEAD OUR DEPARTMENT INTO THE FUTURE, AND, TOWARDS OUR VISION OF BEING THE STANDARD BY WHICH ALL OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE MEASURED. ADDITIONALLY, I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH EACH OF YOU IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I'LL DO OUR UPDATE.

WE SPENT THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS WORKING WITH OUR REORGANIZATION, ASSESSING AND PRIORITIZING OUR NEEDS, AND REORGANIZING IN ORDER TO MEET THOSE NEEDS. I'LL UPDATE YOU WITH ALL OF THIS INFORMATION WHEN WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET. WE HAVE OUR NUMBERS IN INTEREST THE END OF YEAR 2022, SO, I COULD GIVE YOU OUR TOTAL TALLY, OVERALL, 61,373 CALLS TOTAL. EMS CALLS WE DID 25,558, OF THAT, 17,225 OF THOSE WERE TRANSPORTS WITH 143 OF THOSE TRANSPORTS BEING TO THE TRAUMA CENTER. NBCS, WE DID 2649 AND FIRE CALLS WE HAD 2169. THE REST OF THOSE WERE SERVICE CALLS FOR FIRE ALARMS, AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO, THAT'S YOUR SUMMARY FOR THE YEAR, I'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING AND I'LL HAVE UPDATES.

Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU, CHIEF, DOES ANYBODY HAVE IN I QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF? ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD WE THANK YOU FOR STEPPING INTO THIS LEADERSHIP ROLE, WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE.

>> CHAIR: DIRECTOR, WELCOME. >> RUSS MARTIN, DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS, GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. QUICK PROPERTY CRIMES UPDATE, IF YOU'RE GUESSING WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT, I'M GOING TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, VEHICLE AND COMMERCIAL BURGLARIES, VEHICLE THEFTS, UNLOCKED VEHICLES, OF COURSE, RETAIL THEFTS, CYBER CRIMES AND FRAUD IN THE FORM OF SCAMS. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO TODAY IS THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY LIKE FRIEND OR NEIGHBORHOOD ACCOUNTABILITY. I'LL ENCOURAGE YOU TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS. THE MESSAGE BOARDS, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE MESSAGE BOARDS, I WANT YOU GUYS TO COMMUNICATE IN YOUR INDEPENDENT NAKEDS REMINDING ONE OTHER TO OBVIOUSLY TAKE YOUR VALUABLES OUT AND LOCK YOUR CAR DOORS, MAY BE THIS WILL HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON MORE PARTICIPATION IN THE COMMUNITY AS YOU PARTNER WITH US IN DRIVING THOSE CRIMES DOWN. A QUICK UPDATE ON THE COMMUNICATION CENTER. WE'RE UPDATING HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE, IT IS A SMALL UPDATE WITH YOU WE BELIEVE THIS WILL INCREASE OUR EFFICIENCY AS FAR AS HOW WE COMMUNICATE. IT WILL CONNECT US NOT ONLY TO THE REGIONAL PARTNERS, IN WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE CONNECTIVITY TO, BUT STREAMLINE THAT PROCESS TO COMMUNICATE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN WE ARE RIGHT NOW. THE LATEST SUCCESS THAT I'M SUPER PROUD OF, LAST WEEK WE HOSTED OUR TRAINING CENTER, IT'S A LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT COURSE WHICH IS HELD BY FBI. LAW ENFORCEMENT EXECUTIVE DEVELOPMENT. WE WANT TO POUR INTO OUR FOLKS AND BY INCREASING NOT ONLY THE KNOWLEDGE BUT JUST EXPOSURE TO LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT. WE DID JUST THAT.

WE GRADUATED FIVE OF OUR VERY OWN LAST WEEK WHO REPRESENTED MANAGERS AND SUPERVISORS AND GENERAL SERVICES, LAW ENFORCEMENT DIVISION AND CORRECTION'S DIVISION. AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP OUR EMPLOYEES WE KNOW THAT THAT WILL DEFINITELY TRANSFER INTO THE QUALITY SERVICE THAT WE'RE

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[Clerk of Court's Report]

>> CHAIR: QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? THANK YOU, DIRECTOR

MARTIN. >> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT. THIS LEADS US INTO OUR CLERK OF THE COURT'S REPORT. BRANDON PATTY?

MR. PATTY, WELCOME. >> CHAIRMAN, AND COMMISSIONERS GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER ALAIMO WELCOME AND CONGRATULATIONS. WE REMAIN ONE OF THE LEAST FUNDED CLERK'S OFFICES IN THE STATE OF THE FLORIDA PER CAPITA AND CASES PROCESSED. THIS IS A BIG PRIORITY FOR ME AND FOR OUR OFFICE, AND, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ASSOCIATION AND LEGISLATURE TO BE ABLE TO HELP MEET OUR NEEDS-BASED BUDGET WHICH IS 25% HIGHER IT THAN WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY FUNDED TODAY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE SEEKING AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, HAVE OUR CLERKS WHO ARE MANY TIMES IN THE CROOMS ON THE FRONT LINES FOR THEIR PUBLIC RECORD AND ADDRESS AND INFORMATION TO BE REDACTED AND EXEMPTED. WE FEEL OUR CLERKS ARE VERY MUCH PART OF THE JUDICIAL TEAM AND A PART OF THIS, AND HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL LAYER OF SECURITY WILL HELP ENSURE THEIR SECURITY FOR THEIR

[Deletions to Consent Agenda]

QUESTIONS. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> NONE IN CHAIRMAN. >> MR. DEAN?

>> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO? IS

>> NONE. >> MR. CHAIR, WE WOULD LIKE TO PULL CONSENT AGENDA ITEM THREE. THAT WILL COME BACK IN ANOTHER

MEETING. >> CHAIR: OKAY, THAT'S CONSENT AGENDA ITEM THREE AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

MR. MIGUT WHY ARE WE PULLING THREE TODAY?

>> THAT'S A PROPOSED FINAL PLAT THAT NEEDS SIGNATURES FROM THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT IS STILL TRYING TO RETAIN THE SIGNATURES REQUIRED FOR THE COUNTY SO THEY'VE REQUESTED IT BE BROUGHT BACK AT A LATER TIME ONCE THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET THOSE. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CONCLUDE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS WHICH ARE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS, EACH PERSON SHALL BE GIVEN 3 MINUTES. COMMENTS MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD. NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL, PERTINENT, OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOISTERROUS BESTEOUD BEHAVIO

[Approval of Consent Agenda]

>> . >> CHAIR: ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> SECOND. >> CHAIR: A MOTION AND A

SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. >> CHAIR: THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS

[Approval of Regular Agenda]

>> (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> CHAIR: COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> NONE. >> MR. JOSEPH?

>> NONE. >> CHAIR: I HAVE NONE.

MR. MIGUT DO WE NEED TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> NO. AT THIS POINT, JUST A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REGULAR

AGENDA. >> CHAIR: HAVE A MOTION AND A

[Items 1 & 2 (Part 1 of 2)]

SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. >> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT. THE REGULAR AGENDA IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY, THANK YOU, GUYS VERY MUCH. WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.

MR. WHITEHOUSE. GOOD MORNING. SIR, WELCOME.

>> MR. CHAIR, BEFORE MR. WHITEHOUSE BEGINS, ONE AND TWO ARE GOING TO BE HEARD TOGETHER MR. WHITEHOUSE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT NUMBER TWO, WHY IT'S BEING HEARD, THERE WILL NOT BE A VOTE, NONETHELESS, NUMBER TWO IS OF A QUASI JUDICIAL NATURE THERE

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>> CHAIR: THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME ON TRACK, MR. MIGUT.

>> CHAIR: WE'LL HAVE TO DO EX-PARTE DISCLOSURE AS WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THESE ITEMS TOGETHER? IS COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH? >> YES, I HAD A MEETING WITH JOSEPH MCFERN ANY AND RESIDENT GROUP AND STAFF AND I ALSO HAD A

CALL WITH HIM ON FRIDAY. >> CHAIR: OKAY. COMMISSIONER

ARNOLD? >> YES, I HAD A MEETING ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 10TH AT 11:30, WE DISCUSS IT HAD THE PROJECT.

LATER THAT DAY AT 12:30 I HAD A MEETING WITH JOSEPH MACENERNEY AND VARIOUS RESIDENTS IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 10TH, AROUND NOON, I HAD A MEETING WITH JAMES WHITEHOUSE, AND MATT LATTE TO DISCUSS THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. AND TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL OPERATIONS HOW IT WOULD OPERATE, TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, AND, ON LATER THAT DAY AT 2:30 ON JANUARY 10TH, I MET WITH JOE MCNERNEY, AND ABOUT 5 RESIDENTS TO DISCUSS THEIR OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT AND ALL THE REASONS WHY. AND, I PROBABLY RECEIVED ABOUT 10-12 EMAILS, BUT, THOSE ARE A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. MR. ALAIMO?

>> YES, I ALSO MET WITH JAMES G. WHITEHOUSE AND STAFF AND DISCUSSED THE PROJECT AND HAD A MEETING AS WELL WITH JOE MCNERNEY, AND HAD A MEETING WITH COLONEL MICKIE, AND DID A SITE VISIT TO LOOK AT THE LOCATION. AND HE SPOKE WITH HENRY GREENE REGARDING THE ISSUE, HE'S A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING WHO ALSO HEARD THIS ISSUE.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ALAIMO. ON DECEMBER 13TH, I TOOK A SITE VISIT TOUR WITH COLONEL MICKIE DURAN AND MATT LATTE WAS THERE. AND I WAS SHOWN THE BUFFERS IN PLACE, AND I HAD TWO PHONE CALLS WITH HEATHER NEVILLE, I DON'T HAVE THE DATES. BUT, THEY'RE OVER A WEEK AGO. UM, MET WITH JAMES G. WHITEHOUSE AND MATT LATTE AND STAFF ON TUESDAY, JANUARY THE 10TH AT 1:30 P.M., WE SPOKE ON THE SCOPE AND THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT AND THE TRANSPORTATION BENEFITS OF PROJECT. I MET ON JANUARY 10TH AT 1:00 P.M. WITH JOE MCNERNEY AND A GROUP OF RESIDENTS WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED AND WE DISCUSSED THE COMPATIBILITY, THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS ABTHE NOISE THAT THIS PROJECT COULD TAKE.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN? >> CHAIR: THANK YOU.

>> I FORGOT TO ADD THAT I DROVE BY THE PROPERTY WITH MY HUSBAND

ON SATURDAY. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU, FOR DISCLOSING THAT. EVERYBODY ELSE GOOD?

>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, WELCOME, COMMISSIONER ALAIMO. FOR THE RECORD I'M JAMES WHITEHOUSE OF ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP HERE IN ST. JOHNS, FLORIDA. I'M RECOGNIZED BY THE FLORIDA BAR AS AN EXPERT IN CITY, COUNTY, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF COLONEL ROY HINMAN AND THIS PROJECT IS KNOWN AS COLONEL HINMAN INTERMODAL EXCHANGE FACILITY. SHORT FOR CHIEF. WE'RE REQUESTING TRANSMITTAL FOR REVIEW OF THIS. COLONEL HINMAN IS KNOWN FOR THE COMPASSIONATE CARE THAT HE PROVIDES WITH HIS ISLAND DOCTORS HERE ON STAGE COUNTY BUT ALSO OWNS OTHER LANDS HERE ON ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THIS IS ANOTHER LAND THAT HE OWNS. TO DO IS QUICK SYNOPSIS, THIS IS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT WHICH PROVIDES A LOT OF INFORMATION TO BOTH YOU AND THE PUBLIC, WE'LL GET THROUGH THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE TO YOU SO THAT YOU COULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE PUBLIC MAY REVIEW IT AS WELL.

WE'LL DOIN' WITH AN OVER VIEW OF THE PROJECT WHAT THE DESIRED CHANGES ARE, HOW WE PROPOSED TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY, UM, THE GOALS, THE STAKEHOLDER INVOLVED, ET CETERA. WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE FIRST ABOUT THE TEAM AND

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THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING, I'M HEATHER NEVILLE AND I'M PARTNER IN DDEC AND WE'RE A TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY AS WELL AS LAND USE FIRM WE HAVE AN OFFICE IN DOWNTOWN ST. AUGUSTINE. I WANT TO TALK THIS MORNING TO KICK US OFF, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING YESTERDAY BEING MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. DAY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT THAT SPECIFICALLY PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR COUNTY TO LEVERAGE THIS PARTICULAR AREA, IN ORDER TO THINK ABOUT STRATEGIC ITEM THAT IS OUR COUNTY IS FACING WITH REGARDS TO COMPATIBILITY AND TRAFFIC AS WELL AS THE EXISTING ISSUES OF EMPLOYMENT AND HOUSING AND SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS. WHEN I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH COLONEL HINMAN FOR THE FIRST TIME, I'M NOT A LONG TIME COLONEL HINMAN ASSOCIATE AT THE END OF THE OCTOBER. HE'S A BUSY MAN WHO ACTUALLY IS SEEING PATIENTS AND BETWEEN SEEING PATIENTS I ASKED HIM WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO? AS A LAND USE PLANNER, I'M LEGALLY LICENSED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER OPINION THAT I GIVE ON THIS PROPERTY IS REFLECTIVE OF LAND USE AND MAKING SURE THAT IT ALIGNS.

AND, HIS RESPONSE WAS, I WANT TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE. I WANT TO PROVIDE JOBS TO PLACE IN DISADVANTAGED AREAS AND I WANT TO HELP MY COUNTY GROW AND STOP THE URBAN SPRAWL THAT WE SEE.

AND I KIND OF GAVE HIM A FUNNY LOOK, I SAID A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WILL NOT SAY ON THE RECORD TO HIM. BECAUSE IT WAS AN INTERESTING THING TO THINK ABOUT. YOU KNOW, SINCE, HE SPENT ALMOST 20 YEARS AMASSING SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES AND HAS A VISION SIMILAR TO THE ISLAND DOCTOR VISION WHICH IS HELPING PEOPLE AND HOW DO I DO THAT AND UTILIZE MY FUNDS. THE ENTER MODAL EXCHANGE ITSELF PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT AFFORDS A UNIQUE POSITION FOR THE COUNTY TO IDENTIFY RESOURCES THAT WE WOULDN'T NORMALLY BE ABLE TO GET.

ESPECIALLY WITH IT BEING FUTURE RESIDENTIAL. SO, WE HAVE TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT PLANNING FOR OUR COUNTY AND STRATEGICALLY IN THE FUTURE, I BELIEVE THIS THIS FOR THE PROPERTY THAT IS HE'S COMMITTED TO THE COUNTY ALIGNS. AS FAR AS THE HISTORY OF THE SITE ITSELF, THE CURRENT OWNER, HE PURCHASED AND, THE PROPERTIES BEGINNING IN 2007, AND THE ENTIRE PROPERTIES ACQUIRED THROUGH THE END OF 2017. CURRENT USE IS OPEN RURAL, IF YOU GO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THOSE COWS, I TOOK THAT PICTURE MYSELF OF THE COWS, THE GRASS IS ABOUT MY HEAD HIGH.

THE CURRENT ALLOWABLE USE AS APPROVED, THERE'S AN APPROVED AG MANAGEMENT PLAN WHICH ALLOWS FOR TIMBERING AND CLEARING OF UP TO 90% OF THE TREE CANOPY AND ALLOWS FOR CATTLE, THE PLANTING OF HAY AND WHAT'S INTERESTING EVEN WITH THAT AG PLAN WE'RE EXCEEDING THE CODE AS FAR AS MEETING OUR TREE REQUIREMENT.

THE DECISION TO CONNECT THE RAIL AND CREATE THIS OPPORTUNITY WERE IN 2020. JUST RECOGNIZING SOME OF THE NEEDS, WE ALL KNOW THERE'S TRAFFIC IMPACTS FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE, AS WELL AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY START HELPING OUR THE REST OF OUR COUNTY WITH JOBS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE. SO, THE SITE PLAN ITSELF, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET AS INVOLVED IN IT, BUT, THERE ARE SPECIFIC OUTCOMES AND THE REASON WE'RE NOT GETTING AS INVOLVED, AS YOU KNOW WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMP PLAN REQUEST, WE WILL BE ABLE TO GO FURTHER THROUGH THE LAYERS OF SITE PLANNING, RIGHT NOW THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, BUT, WITH REGARDS TO THE COLONEL INTENDS ON THE PROJECT SITE IN THE NEAR PHOT TURKS THE PROJECT IS 214 ACRES AND APPROXIMATELY $1 MILLION CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND I'LL ALLOW PEL HANK TO TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 670,000 SQUARE FOOT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING AND STORAGE THAT WOULD CONNECT TO AN INTERMODAL EXCHANGE FACILITY THAT DOES FIT, AS FAR AS THE RAIL LINE GOES ON THE EXISTING RAIL SPUR, THE WILL BETTER WRIGHT RAIL SPUR OFF THE FEC, THE PROJECT INCLUDES INFRASTRUCTURE ADVANCE OF THE

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>> THANK YOU, HEATHER. AS I SAID, COMMISSIONERS, AND AS YOU KNOW, FROM YOUR PACKETS, THIS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST FOR TRANSMITTAL. WE REQUEST THAT YOU TRANSMIT IT TO THE STATE SO THAT THAT THE STATE AGENCIES CAN LOOK AT IT AND IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU FOR POSSIBLE ADOPTION. THIS IS COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2022-05, AS I SAID, KNOWN AS CH I.E. F TO QUESTION A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF 214.13 ACRES OF LAND ROW LATED AT 2775 COUNTY ROAD 214 FROM RES-B TO INDUSTRIAL WHICH A TEXT AMENDMENT PROHIBITING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, USES ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS REQUEST WAS HEARD BEFORE YOU IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR HEARING AND I KNOW THAT THE COMMISSIONER HAD A CHANCE TO TALK WITH AGENCY MEMBER GREENE WHO MADE THE MOTION TO TRANSMIT THAT WITH RESULT IN A 2-2 TIE AND SO NOW IT'S BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION FOR YOUR STAFF REPORT AND I WILL NOT READ THE WHOLE THING, BUT, THE STAFF GOES THROUGH WHAT THE REQUEST IS FOR YOU, AND, IN, IN, UM, A LARGE, UM, DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED. IT TALKS ABOUT, HOW WE PROVIDED AN COMIC IMPACT STUDY. MR. FISHKIND IS HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT TODAY. IF HE COULD TALK MORE ABOUT THAT, OF COURSE, WE ALSO HAVE OUR ENGINEERS HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN AND THE IMPACT OF THIS PROPOSAL ON THE AREA. UM, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S RES-B NOW, OR ZONING. WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BECAUSE, WE PROPOSED THIS TEXT AMENDMENT WHICH WILL PROHIBIT ANY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. WHEN WE INITIALLY CAME, UM, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS SHOWED UP AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTY COMPLAINING THEY DIDN'T WANT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, HE SDBT HAVE THERE'S A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT I PROVIDED ON THE SCREEN WHICH PROHIBITS ANY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ON THIS SITE. UNDER YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, INDUSTRIAL IS DEFINED FOR YOU. BUT IT'S IN YOUR PACKET, AND I'VE PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN WHERE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL MAY NOT BE ALLOWED AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN OUR REQUEST AS YOU SEE FROM YOUR PACKET, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REQUESTING INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE WHICH WOULD BE FOR WAREHOUSING ON THE SITE WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE SITE ITSELF TOO, AND WE'LL GET INTO IT MORE WITH THE EXPERTS, BUT, I WANT TO PREFACE IT BY SHOWING YOU THE DISTANCE, BECAUSE, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. THIS IS THE SITE ITSELF, AS YOU COULD SEE, WE BELIEVE IT IS A UNIQUE SITE IN THAT THE UPLANDS ARE HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, CENTRAL TO THE SITE, SURROUNDED BY THE WETLANDS, THE WETLANDS ON THE WESTERN SIDE, THIS DISTANCE IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS AWAY. AND I'LL GET INTO THIS LATER, BUT, FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS IS IF YOU WENT OUT TO THE FRONT OF OUR BUILDING HERE, AND LOOKED TOWARD THE COURT HOUSE

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PLAN AS WELL. >> RYAN MCDONALD, DESIGN GROUP, IT 2225 A 1 A SOUTH, ST. JOHNS, FLORIDA. I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE SITE PLAN. HEATHER SPOKE ON THE SKI ELEMENTS BEFORE, OUR WAREHOUSING OF 670,000 SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSE ALSO BOTH ACCESS COMMUTER, AND INTERMODE AL INTERMODAL. THAT'S WHERE THE PLOPPED PLANTINGS OF TALL TREES AND THE RESERVATION WILL BUFFER FROM THE ENVIRONMENT. ALSO, AS JAMES HINTED THERE, WE'RE REALLY FOCUSSING ON CENTRALIZING THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY. AND, UM, THAT'S REALLY YOUR INTENT HERE IS TO KEEP IT CENTRALIZED AND MINIMIZE ANY IMPACTS, WE HAVE ONE PERMANENT IMPACT THERE ACROSS THE WETLAND FOR THE TRELLIS, THAT'S WHERE THE TRAIN CRASSES AND OUR ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER WILL GO OVER THAT MORE. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT OFF-SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THE OFF-SITE IMPROVEMENTS IS PROVIDING AN ACCESS FOR SAFE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, BIKE TRAIL, TURN LANE, INTERCHANGE, DEFINITELY, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS TRYING TO MEET OR EXCEED ANY SAFETY REQUIREMENTS. I MEAN, IN OUR PRELIMINARY DESIGN HERE, WE HAVE, EXCESS OF 50 FEET MORE THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE DECEL LANE. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO OUR INTENT TO PROVIDE SAFE ACCESS TO THE SITE. AND I BELIEVE, HEATHER'S UP NEXT.

THANK YOU. >> SO, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW I'VE SPENT ALMOST 10 YEARS NOW IN TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND I'M THANKFUL TO HAVE STARTED THAT HERE IN ST. JOHNS, COUNTY WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS, I'M FAMILIAR WITH OUR NETWORK, DEFICIENCIES, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY, AND ALL OF THE LATTER, AND I'VE SPENT THE MAJORITY OF THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS WORKING IN AND AROUND RAIL PROJECTS. ESPECIALLY AS THEY RELATE TO, UM, NOT NECESSARILY INTERMODAL FACILITIES BUT LAY YARDS AND MAINTENANCE YARDS FOR COMMUTER RAIL AS WELL AS RAIL OPTIONS FOR URBAN ENVIRONMENTS. THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS OF CHIEF IS SUPPORTED BY DATA AND OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE WILLINGNESS TO FIND AND PROVIDE SITE IMPROVEMENTS BOTH ON AND OFF-SITE IN ADVANCE OF THE PROJECT BEING OPENED. WE HAVE THE TURNING SIGNAL, DECELERATION LANES THAT RYAN JUST SPOKE ABOUT. ALL OF THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED THERE'S A LARGE REPORT THAT WENT INTO THE BACK OF YOUR REPORTS THAT YOU HAVE, ALL THE

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THERE'S ALSO FOUR SEPARATE SITE RAIL TRACK TOSS ALLOW FOR STORAGE AND MAINTENANCE, A TRELLIS, WHICH IS A BRIDGE FOR A RAIL. AND I'LL LET MIKE TALK ABOUT THAT. AND THEN, SOME OF THE PAVED PARKING, THERE'S ALSO THE TRAIL THAT WE KEEP DISCUSSING. THIS PROJECT ALSO ALLOWS FOR TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES AND THE POTENTIAL TO CONNECT NORTH TO STATE ROAD 16 THROUGH AN ADDITIONAL PROJECT WHICH OUR OWNER IS CONSIDERING TO PROVIDE IN THE FUTURE, SO, RIGHT NOW, EXISTING WITH THE RESIDENTIAL B WE RANS SOME CALCULATIONS. THE PROJECT ITSELF, A LOT OF THE COMMENTS WHICH I HAVE HEARD LOOKING AND LISTENING WERE JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. WELL, THERE'S AN INTENT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE PROJECT. SO, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT. THE CURRENT PROJECT ALLOWED USES ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN PUT IN CHICKEN COOPS OR DIFFERENT KINDS OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES, THEY COULD MINE IT FOR MINERALS, THEY COULD TAKE DOWN THE TIMBER. SO, I THING THERE'S A LOT OF THAT, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE AS A LAND USE PLANNER, I DON'T LIKE THOSE ACTIVITIES, BUT THEY'RE ALLOWED. CURRENTLY IT'S ALLOWED TO BE FUTURE RESIDENTIAL B. IT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE PROJECT TO HAVE 50-FOOT BUFFERS, YOU WOULD HAVE PEAK HOUR LOAD AND UNLOAD INTO A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MEANS YOU WOULD HAVE A COMPRESSED TIME FRAME, YOU WOULD REMOVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME OF THE STRATEGIC FUNDING THAT YOU COULD GET AS WELL AS TRIP GENERATION STYLES THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR BETTER TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. AND IT WOULD PREDOMINATELY BE SINGLE USE MOTOR VEHICLE AND WE WOULD CONTINUE TO BE DOING THE URBAN SPRAWL THAT WE SEE AND EXACERBATES OUR TRANSPORTATION NOW. WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AND THE INDUSTRIAL LIGHT IS LIMITED BY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, AND THE NUMBER OF HOURS A DAY AND THE INTERMODAL FACILITIES STYLE. SO, OF THE ESTIMATED TRIPS WE'RE UNDERNEATH THE CURRENT AADT WHICH IS YOUR AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC ON COUNTY ROAD 214, SO, THIS WOULD NOT TRIP OVER THE CURRENT VOLUMES THAT THAT ROAD IS PROVIDED FOR, NUMBER ONE.

AND NUMBER TWO, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING, AND WE PROVIDED MODE MIX HERE, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE A LOT OF DISCUSSION IS CENTERED AROUND HEAVY TRUCKS. THE HEAVY TRUCK PORTION, THE MAJORITY OF THE VEHICLES THAT WOULD GO INTO THE PROJECT HAVE TO DO WITH STAFFING. YOU'RE STILL SEEING SINGLE USE MOTOR VEHICLE OPERATION AS WELL AS SOME TRUCKS. SO, YOU'LL SEE THERE, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE INTERMODAL TRUCK TERMINAL IT'S 91 TRUCKS A DAY AND THAT'S WITH LARGER VEHICLES. YOU ALREADY HAVE MAJOR TRUCK TRAFFIC IN THE AREA BETWEEN THE DUMP IN THE AREA AND ALL THE FUTURE RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE AN INCREASE IN TRUCKS AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD HOMES ON ALL OF THE FUTURE LAND USE THAT IS ALLOWED. WE ALSO DID A CALCULATION, MY BUSINESS PARTNER AND I, AGAIN, WE D-- SHE'S A 15-YEAR TRANSPORTATION EXPERT AND I'M A PLANNER AND WE CALCULATED WITH THE INTENT OF BUILDING A RAIL PLATFORM HERE AS WELL. THIS PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A MAINTENANCE AREA, AND CONNECT INTO THE BROWDY PROJECT. THE FUTURE OF THEM COMING TOWARDS JACKSONVILLE FOR COMMUTER RAIL. SO, THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY ON THE RAIL TO PROVIDE THAT. FINALLY, THE LAST PORTION WHICH WE'LL GO OVER ON THIS SLIDE, THERE IS A SECOND PROJECT THAT CONNECTS TO THIS PROJECT THAT WOULD PROVIDE A PARKWAY TO CONNECT 214 TO 16 WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR A TRUCK ROUTE AS WELL AS AN OFF-LETTING OF VEHICLES ON TO THE CURRENT NETWORK FOR ANOTHER FUTURE PROJECT. SO, THE PROJECT ITSELF, BASED ON LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BASED ON DOT STANDARDS, WHICH IS WHAT OUR COUNTY USES, WE MEET LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE DO NOT EXCEED THE ANNUAL DAILY TRIPS ALLOWED FOR THAT ROAD AND THE THAN WHAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED - ABOUT AS FAR AS THE TYPES OF

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THERE ARE UNIQUE TRANSPORTATION FEATURES ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

THE RAILROAD LINE WAS BUILT, UM, LARGELY IN RURAL COMMUNITIES WHEN POSSIBLE, AND THEN WOULD CONNECT INTO CITIES. THIS SITE UNLIKE OTHER SITE THAT IS EXIST THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY CONNECTS TO A SOMEWHAT DENSE AREA. IF WE WERE TO GO AND STICK IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, WHICH I THINK WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION, THAT MIGHT BE OPEN-RULE, THERE MAY NOT BE RAIL ACCESS. SO THIS PARTICULAR RAIL SITE WOULD SUPPORT THE IMPENDING RESIDENTIAL B WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 10,000 ACRES, THE ROBINSON TRACK DUE TO THE EAST WHICH IS STARTING TO CLEAR FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, AS WELL AS THE FORTRESS TRACK WHICH IS THE LARGE PARCEL THAT EXISTS BETWEEN 214 AND 207 WEST OF 95. ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS WILL HAVE A PAS RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, THE DOT IS RECOGNIZING A 20% DECREASE IN RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC IF THERE'S A RAIL OPPORTUNITY NEAR BY, IT'S A RECOGNIZED TRIP DECREASE BASED ON THE AVAILABILITY OF RAIL ACCESS. WE ALSO HAVE THE PROXIMITY TO THE BROWDY, THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, WOULD THEY WANT THE TRAIN TRAFFIC OR WOULD THEY WANT THIS? 100%, THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE IS ALL IN, IF YOU LOOKED AND SAW WAYS GOING ON WITH THE MOBILITY PLANS THEY HAVE, IT CONTRIBUTE TOSS THAT, AND IT MAKES US ALL GOOD STEWARDS. THERE'LL BE ADDITION TRIPS ON THIS SITE, IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR THOSE IN THE AREA THAT WOULD TAKE TO RAIL TO REDUCE TRAFFIC ON THE REST OF THE NETWORK. SO, WE HAVE TO START THINKING ABOUT TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC ISN'T JUST WHERE IT IS, TRAFFIC HAS AN ORIGIN AND A DESTINATION AND HOW DO WE AFFECT THE WHOLE SYSTEM? AND ANOTHER REALLY UNIQUE SPECIFIC OPPORTUNITY HERE IS TO AFFECTIVELY DO SOMETHING FOR OUR DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES. NOT ONLY HAS IT BEEN FEDERALLY IDENTIFIED AS A DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITY BUT IT'S A TRANSPORTATION DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITY AND EMPLOYMENT DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITY AND IT'S GONE ON FOR SO LONG THAT ONLY 5% OF OUR COUNTY IS AFRICAN AMERICAN. AND AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS IN LAND USE PLANNING IF YOU GOOGLED THAT RIGHT NOW, IT'S THE FIRST THING THAT POPS UP. I THINK THIS IS AN INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO FOR OUR EXISTING RESIDENTS KNOWING THAT OUR UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS ARE HIGHER IN THE AREA. AND HEALTH ISSUES RELATED TO THESE THINGS.

THERE'S JUST SO MANY INTERESTING ADVANTAGES, THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF FEDERAL FUNDING BECAUSE OF THAT FACT. WE KNOW TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS ARE EXPENSIVE, INTERSTATE INTERCHANGES ARE EXPENSIVE, RAIL IS EXPENSIVE, HOW DO WE FUND THAT? WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY, WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE AND KEEP OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE HAVE INFILL INSTEAD OF DOING AN URBAN FILL AND DOING OTHER PLACE THAT IS DOESN'T HAVE THIS ACCESS. JUSTIFICATION REGARDING THE I-95 INTERCHANGE. AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE TO DO REALLY HARD THINGS AND IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFICULT CHOICE. WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE INFILL THAT OCCURRED AROUND THE PROPERTY ITSELF, TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS WHICH ARE ADJACENT TO US. AND I STARTED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS? COMPATIBILITY, RIGHT? THE RAIL HAS BEEN THERE AND IT WAS UNTAPPEDED TO MOVE FREIGHT AND PEOPLE AN RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT DOING A LOT FOR TOSS AND IT'S A HUGE INVESTMENT ASSET. NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE OF THE VISION BY COLONEL HINMAN TO CONNECT OUR COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE THESE THINGS INSTEAD OF JUST MAKING MONEY AND BUILDING MORE HOUSES, HE'S GOT THIS VISION AND IT'S DIFFICULT BUT, IT'S, A PARADIGM SHIFT IN THINKING FOR OUR COUNTY AND PROVIDES A UNIQUE ASSET THAT PROVIDES SO MANY PEOPLE, THERE'S ALSO, AND I DON'T SEE THIS ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, MY OFFICE IN DELL RAY BEACH IS APPROXIMATELY 100 FEET FROM AN ACTIVE FREIGHT AND PASSENGER RAIL LINE AND THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT HE'S PROVIDING IS GOING TO LEAVE 12 TO 1400 FEET OF BUFFER BETWEEN ALL IT HAVE THIS ADVANCEMENT AND THEN, FINALLY, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC, AND TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC, IT PROVIDES TRIP GENERATION SO THAT WE COULD GO AND FUND OTHER THINGS TO IMPROVE THE VERMONT HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE

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JOHNS COUNTY HASN'T BEEN LOOKING AT RAIL. HOWEVER, WE DO KNOW THAT BETWEEN THE BROWDY PROJECT AND SOME OF OUR VISIONARY TYPE OF PROJECTS THERE'S AN ACTIVE RAIL OPPORTUNITY ESPECIALLY WITH BRIGHTLINE AND CONNECTIONS TO SUN RAIL. THE PLAN WILL CONNECT 31 MILES TO JACKSONVILLE AND ST. AUGUSTINE. IT DOESN'T HAVE A MAINTENANCE YARD, SO, CREATING AN OPPORTUNITY PROVIDES DIRECT ACCESS ON A LOWER TRAFFIC FREIGHT-WISE LINE. IT'S A GREAT ALTERNATIVE TO I-95 FOR VISITORS AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE JACKSONVILLE BUS TRAFFIC SYSTEM, IT'S FANTASTIC, IT'S TRANSFORMED THROUGH THE LAST 10 YEARS AND REALLY, THROUGH COVID IT'S MADE A BIG JUMP. AND ALSO, THIS PARTICULAR AREA PROVIDES A LOT OF OFFSET FOR THE FUTURE RESIDENTIAL B WHICH EXISTS IN THE AREA WITH THE ROBINSON, FORTRESS AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT. THIS SLIDE IS DIRECTLY FROM JTA, THEY PROVIDED IT TO US. THESE ARE SOME OF THE STUDY FINDINGS THAT RAIL PROVIDES FROM A REGIONAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THEM ALL, BUT, WE KNOW KNOW THAT THERE'S DATA TO SUPPORT AND WE SEE IT EVERYWHERE WHEN WE HAVE COMMUTER RAIL WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE. THIS STUDY CONCLUDE IN OCTOBER 2023 SO THAT THEY COULD PROGRAM MONEY AS OUR REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY FUND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN. NOT THE RAIL AND NOT THE FACILITIES, BUT, THE TRAINS THEMSELVES. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND LET MIKE BELL, OUR ENGINEER FOR THE RAIL PIECE.

>> THANKS. >> HI, I'M MIKE BELL WITH LGA, 301 WEST BASE STREET. I'M A RAIL EXPERT AND BEEN WORKING FOR CSX FOR AWHILE AND LATELY DOING CONSULTING WORK FOR RAILROADS.

I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE INTERMODAL EXCHANGE RAIL AREA.

INTERMODAL EXCHANGE IS THE TRANSFER OF GOODS FROM ONE DESTINATION TO ANOTHER DESTINATION, USING MULTIPLE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION. THOSE THINGS COULD BE LIKE GRAVEL, AGGREGATE, PLASTIC PELLETS, LUMBER AND OTHER COMMODITIES THAT COME THROUGH BOX CARS FOR INSTANCE. THIS SITE IS A FANTASTIC LOCATION RELATIVE TO THAT. IT CONNECTS TO THE FEC TRACK WHICH AS YOU KNOW, FEC RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH IN FLORIDA AND ALSO UP IN JACKSONVILLE IT CONNECTS TO CSX AND NORTHERN EASTERN SOUTHERN WHICH CONNECTS TO FAR AREAS NORTHEAST OF THE COUNTRY. THE NEXT SLIDE. THE ACTUAL FACILITY ITSELF HAS A FEW COMPONENTS, FIRST, IT DOES HAVE ACCESS TO THE FEC TRACK WHICH IS KIND OF THE DARKER BLUE ON THE DIAGONAL, GOING UP LEFT AND RIGHT, WE'RE CONNECTING WITH THE NUMBER 10 TURNOUT FOR ENGINEERING TO GET IN THERE, AND WE'RE ADDING A SECOND TRACK ON THE FEC TRACK ON THE SITE. AND IT ALLOWS FOR TRAIN OPERATIONS AND ALLOWS THE FEC TO DISCONNECT THE LOCOMOTIVE AND DO WHAT THEY NEED DO, WHATEVER. INTERIOR TO THE PROJECT WE HAVE SEVERAL TRACKS UP IN THE LIGHTER PURPLE. THESE TRACKS COULD HAVE BEEN MAXIMIZED TO STAY ON THE UPLANDS AND NOT IMPACT WETLANDS AND YOU'VE HEARD THE WORD TRESLE. WE TALK ABOUT INTERMODAL, AND WE THINK OF BIG LIFT MACHINES, THIS WILL BE A TRACK NEXT TO A WAREHOUSE TO UNLOAD GOODS OUT OF A BOX CAR INTO A BUILDING. AND, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT.

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>> JOHN WAS ABLE TO COME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.

HE'S GOT A LONG-STANDING HISTORY OF WORKING IN AND AROUND RAIL INTERMODAL FACILITY CURRENTLY. HE PROVIDED THIS INFORMATION BEFORE WE KNEW HE WAS ABLE TO COME TO THE PZA MEETING LAST TIME. BUT, WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT, AND IN A NUTSHELL IS THAT IT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS SOME OF OUR SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND PROVIDES A LONG-TERM ASSET. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING THIS SOME PERSONAL PROJECT. THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES ARE REALLY A PUBLIC/PRIVATE PROJECT IN A LOT OF WASTE BECAUSE THEY'RE BUILDING AN INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR YOU KNOW WE TALKED WITH THE NATIONAL GUARD AND THIS ALLOWS FOR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS. WE COULD ALLOW EMERGENCY SERVICES OUT OF ORLANDO TO DEPLOY MATERIALS AND ALLOWS FOR SUPPLY CHAIN, YOU KNOW, WHILE BEING ON SITE A LOT, I'VE SEEN THE AMAZON TRUCKS IN AND OUT OF ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE AREA, JOHN SAID IT BEST, EVERYONE WANTS THE PACKAGES DELIVERED TO THE FRONT DOOR WHICH IS AN URBAN THOUGHT AND HOW DO WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN? SO, OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOMETHING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHICH IS ON THE RAIL THAT IS ONE GALLON OF GAS CAN MOVE 5 MILES ON THE RAIL, ONE GALLON OF DIESEL FUEL. IT'S A LOT SHORTER DISTANCE. THERE'S ALSO A PRETTY LARGE, AS YOU COULD IMAGINE, AS SOON AS SWE START TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT, THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN THIS TYPE OF PROJECT WHICH BRINGS AN INTERESTING AND UNIQUE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY INTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY, CONSIDERING THAT WE HAVE THE THIRD LARGEST POPULATION IN THE U.S. AS FAR AS RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS. THIS COMPLIMENTS AND ENHANCES THE EXISTING NEEDS IN OUR COUNTY. THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT HE'S WORKED ON. THESE ARE CLEARLY MUCH LARGER IN NATURE, BUT, I THINK THAT JUST LENDS ITSELF TO THE FACT THAT HE WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE US TECHNICAL INFORMATION. AS REPRESENTATIVE AND ORGANIZATION THAT UTILIZES THESE KINDS OF SERVICES TO SATISFY OUR SUPPLY CHAIN. AND WITH THAT WE'LL HAVE JASON AND TIM COME UP AND TALK.

>> I'M TIMOTHY RILEY, I'M WITH JASON LYNN WITH ATLANTIC ECOLOGICAL SERVICES. THERE'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY IN THE PACKET WHERE THE IT ALLOWS FOR THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE LAND USE DIFFICULTIES INTO THE WETLAND AREAS AS COP SEPTEMBER YOU'LLIZED, THE ACTIVITIES WILL BE OUT OF THE WETLANDS AND ALLOWS FOR THE PRESERVATION AND ENHANCEMENT OF THE WETLANDS.

THE TRELLIS WILL BE DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY AS TO ALLOW WILDLIFE CROSSING, THERE'LL BE NO FRAGMENTATION OF THE WET LANDS SYSTEMS. IT PROVIDES FOR A BUFFER FOR THE USES AND PROVIDES FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THE WETLANDS SYSTEM TO THE SOUTH AND EAST ON PROPERTIES NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. SO, IT HAS, ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT IN TERMS OF PROVIDING BENEFITS TO THE CREEK ON PROPERTY AND PROVIDES REGIONAL BENEFITS IN TERMS OF AVOIDING FRAGMENTATION AND CONTINUES TO CONNECT THE ECOLOGICAL SYSTEMS ACROSS THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> NOW WE'LL BRING OUT MR. FISHKIND TO TALK ABOUT THE

ECONOMIC FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. >> THANK YOU, JAMES. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M HANK FISHKIND, PRESIDENT OF ORLANDO, FLORIDA, 32817. I'M QUALIFIED TO PROVIDE TO YOU MY EXPERT ANALYSIS OF TESTIMONY, IT'S A BET SELF-SERVING. I'M BEEN STUDYING THE FLORIDA ECONOMY FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS, FIRST AS A PROFESSOR OF THE UNIVERSITY AND WITH MY ONE COMPANIES. I HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WORKING HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, I'VE WORKED WITH MANY LAND OWNERS.

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>> OVER 1,000 JOBS, DIRECT EMPLOYMENT MORE THAN 2,000 JOB IN TOTAL WITH ANCILLARY AFFECTS AND IT HAS A FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS, I BUILT ONE OF THE FIRST FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR MANY YEARS. THIS IS THE OUTCOME OF THE MODELS, YOU COULD SEE LOTS OF SUBSTANTIAL REVENUE COMES OUT OF PROPERTY TAXES AND OTHER REVENUE, THIS IS NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SERVICE DEMAND BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A LOT OF PERMANENT, FULL-TIME RESIDENTS. SO, VERY SIGNIFICANT FISCAL BENEFIT. SO, PROVIDES LOTS OF JOBS, LOTS OF FISCAL BENEFIT, NET REVENUE THAT THE COUNTY CAN USE FOR MANY OTHER THINGS AND ENOUGH REVENUE THAT IT CAN SUPPORT IT'S OWN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S OWN NOV AS MANY OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT IS I'VE WORKED ON HAVE DONE. AND I'VE WORKED ON A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITY ZONES ACROSS THE STATE OF FLORIDA, MOST OF THEM ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL, AND THEY'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE VIBRANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ANYWHERE NEAR THEM. THIS OFFERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THAT METRIC AT LEAST FOR THIS AREA.

THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. >> THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE TALKED ABOUT DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES THERE'S ALSO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES AS WELL AS THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AGENCY THAT THE COUNTY HAS BOARD AS WELL, WHICH ALSO HAPPENS TO BE ON THE AGENDA TODAY, TOO.

SO, A COUPLE OF THESE METRICS, OR ALL OF THESE METRICS IN THE TOP THREE BULLETS OF THE SLIDE ARE PART OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY INITIATIVE. WHICH JOHNS COUNTY MORE REVENUE TO PAY FOR THE FACILITIES THAT WE NEED AND AS THE PASTOR SAID EARLIER, CONTINUE TO GROW AND BE PROSPEROUS AS A COUNTY. WHAT'S INTERESTING IS GOING THROUGH TH COUNTY'S ECONOMIC INCENTIVE PROGRAM, WE ACTUALLY MEET EVERY SINGLE POINT POSSIBLE THROUGH THE PROJECT. WHICH IS CLEARLY DEFINED AND CODIFIED. AND IT HELPS WITH LIVABLE WAGES AND RETAINING TALENT. BECAUSE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ALL THE HOUSES AND WE'RE EXPORTING THE PEOPLE'S MORTGAGE INCOME TO OTHER PLACES. A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ARE GETTING ON THE ROADS AND LEAVING, SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. AND IT PROVIDES FOR A NEW AND DIVERSE TAX REVENUE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. LOCAL, STATE, AND REGIONAL GOALS. THERE ARE FOUR MAIN BULLET POINTS THIS PROJECT ACCOMPLISHES. THAT TOP RIGHT PORTION OF THE AREA IS AS IT SITS NOW SO, YOU COULD SEE THE TREE CANOPY. YOU COULD SEE THE BOTTOM RIGHT, I SNAPPED AT A RIB BON QUITING. RIBBON CUTTING.

YOU COULD TELL BY THE ALMOST, BLOATED AMOUNT OF WORDS THAT I'M SAYING, I'M SURE THAT'S WHY JAMES KEEPS FORWARDING THE SLIDES. BUT, THIS PROJECT ALIGNS WITH SO MANY REGIONAL, COUNTY, CITY, PLANNING OBJECTIVES. AND, THROUGH THAT MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ELEMENTS. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S EASY. I'M NOT SAYING THIS PROJECT IS STRAIGHT-FORWARD, BUT, I'M SAYING WHAT IS STRAIGHT-FORWARD IS THE COMP PLAN REQUEST SO THAT WE COULD GET DOWN TO BRASS TAX ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. IT BECAUSE, IT PROVIDES A PLACE FOR

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SO, IT'S PRESERVING IN A WAY OF REHABILITATION AS WELL. LASTLY, AS STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, I THOUGHT IT HAS BEEN A WILD PROJECT THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. THROUGH THE PROCESS OF SUCH A LARGE PARCEL, WE DID PROVIDE AT THE ORIGINAL MEETING IN DECEMBER, A TWO-SIDED FLIER, HAD CONTACT INFORMATION TO EVERYBODY IN ATTENDANCE, SO, ANYBODY THAT WANTED TO CONTACT, COULD. A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS DID CONTACT, WE'VE HAD INTERESTING DIALOG ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU WANT TO LIVE HERE, AND I SAID WITH A COMMUTER RAIL? YES! AND WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON HERE? IS THIS REALLY WHAT THE INTENT IS? AND I THINK THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TALKED A RILL BIT ABOUT IT. BUT, WE'RE PROVIDING A REZONING AND COMP PLAN AT THE SAME TIME. AND WE'RE PROVIDING ALL OF THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE THIS IS THE INTENT OF THE PROJECT. THIS IS A VISION, THIS IS WHAT THE LAST TWO YEARS OF PLANNING AND SITE VISITS AND ALL OF THESE THINGS BY ALL OF THE EXPERT THAT IS YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT. BEYOND WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE CRA, - THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AS YOU SEE BEHIND ME WITH ALL OF THE GREEN BUTTONS, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS EASY TO STAND UP AND BE AGAINST SOMETHING, IT'S REALLY HARD TO STAND UP AND BE FOR SOMETHING NEXT TO OUR NEIGHBOR. AND, I THINK THAT THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES OF ONE, THIS PROJECT IS CLEARLY A CHANGE IN THEORY AND A CHANGE IN WHAT CAN HAPPEN FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, BUT, NUMBER TWO, THIS IS THE COMMUNITY. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE TALKED TO AND THAT WERE WILLING TO COME HERE. AND SO, IN COMBINATION WITH ALL THE AGENCIES, FEC, JTA, RBA, ALL OF THE ALPHABET SOUP FROM EVERY AGENCY, I THINK THAT'S BEEN AN ACTIVE PART OF OUR STRATEGIC STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT WITHOUT HAVING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AND GET THAT TRANSMITTAL. SO, THOSE WERE THE EFFORTS THAT WE PUT FORTH AND IT'S MONTHS AND MONTHS OF EFFORTS AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT

SPEAK TO THAT. >> AND I'LL JUST CONCLUDE, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF THE EXPERTS, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF INFORMATION AND THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET. AND THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER TWO YEARS AS YOU KNOW FOR MANY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT IS YOU'VE SEEN OR COME BEFORE THIS BODY PREVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. AND AS I SAID, THIS RECOMMENDATION, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PUSH THIS FORWARD SO THAT THE STATE AGENCIES CAN LOOK AT IT. THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING, TRANSMITTAL MEANS THAT IT GOES ON TO THE STATE, THE STATE AGENCIES LOOK AT IT IT COMES BACK TO YOU AND BOTH THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND THIS COMMISSION GET TO REVIEW IT AGAIN TO DECIDE WETHER OR NOT TO ADOPT IS IT. I THINK THAT AGENCY MEMBER GREENE SAID IT THE BEST WHEN HE SAID, AND IN HIS EXPERIENCE WORTH AS A ST. AUGUSTINE CITY COMMISSIONER AS WELL AS FORMERLY ON ZONING AGENCY, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU COME FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT HAS GOOD INFORMATION S UM, IT'S A NEED IN THE JURISDICTION, AS WELL AS A REAL PROJECT, UM, THAT APPEARS LIKE, IT MAY BE A GOOD IDEA, BUT IT'S NOT FINAL. IT'S DEFINITELY NOT FINAL, BUT, TO COME DOWN TO GROUND LEVEL AND ADDRESS SOME OF OF THE ISSUES IN MORE DETAIL, APPLICANTS, PROPERTY OWNERS WHO WORK ON LARGE PROJECTS NEED THAT TIME AND THE KNOWLEDGE TO KNOW THAT THE COMMISSION THINKS IT'S A GOOD PROJECT AND THINKS IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE MORE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THEN THEY COULD DO THE MORE IN-DEPTH STUDY AND FIND MORE DETAILS ON THE PROJECT. I JUST WANT TO SHOW ONE MORE THING ON THE SCREEN, MR. CHAIRMAN. SO, ON THE LEFT IS AN UNTOUCHED RENDITION OF OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. IT'S FUZZY, BUT, YOU COULD SEE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS, YELLOW, OTHER THAN THE AIRPORT DISTRICT, THE MAIN YELLOW IS INDUSTRIAL ON A FUTURE LAND USE MAP. YOU DON'T SEE VERY MUCH OF IT, YOU SEE A

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OR FOR THAT FACT, A LOT OF COMMERCIAL. ON THE RIGHT, I'VE CIRCLED THE SPOTS INDICATING THE INDUSTRIAL LAND USE AREAS ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THERE'S FIVE OF THEM. DOWN HERE ON THE SOUTH, THIS IS HYDROALUMINUM, AS YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL. DAVIS INDUSTRIAL PARK OFF HOLMES AND 214 AND THIS IS THE FEC INDUSTRIAL PARK AT 207 AND I-95, THESE ARE BOTH ALONG THE RAILROAD AND OUR SITE IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE HERE. AND THESE ARE THE TWO, UP, A LITTLE FURTHER, CENTRAL, NORTH, EAST PART OF OUR COUNTY, THIS IS AROUND THE RAILROAD, THERE'S STREAM LAND USE SITE OWNED BY THE AIRPORT, AND THIS IS THE ST.

MARK'S POND INDUSTRIAL SITE ACROSS FROM THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE. AND AS I SAID, AND WE'VE TALKED AND YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE EXPERTS AND AS I WAS COMMENTS ON AGENCY MEMBER GREENE'S COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE COUNTY HAS. WE NEED FOR COMMERCIAL AND MORE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, YOU SAW THAT WE INCLUDED A TEXT AMENDMENT TO PROHIBIT ANY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ON THE SITE, YOU SAW A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, THIS IS A REAL PROJECT AND SOMETHING THAT COLONEL HINMAN AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A LONG TIME.

AND WE REALLY ASK FOR OUR CONSIDERATION, AGAIN, AS YOU HEARD HEATHER SAY, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED, BUT, THIS IS TRANSMITTAL, THIS GOES TO THE STATE AGENCY AND THE STATE AGENCY WILL SEND BACK COMMENTS AND IT WILL INCENTIVIZE THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AT THE STATE TO DISCUSS THE QUESTIONS AND ISSUES AND OUR EXPERTS CAN COME TO SOLUTIONS. SO, UM, AS I SAID, WE HAVE OUR FULL TEAM OF EXPERTS HERE. WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, I DON'T KNOW AT THE CHAIR'S PLEASURE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT BEFORE OR AFTER

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU, MR. WHITEHOUSE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> COULD I SPEAK TO THE RAIL PERSON? BILL?

>> MIKE BELL. >> SO, I WAS WONDERING, CAN YOU JUST GET A PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THE RAIL AND SAY, WELL, I WANT

IT TO CONNECT TO THE RAIL? >> UM, FIRST, YOU HAVE TO HAVE OR PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE RAIL, AND THEN, B, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE RAILROAD, AND THEN EVENTUALLY HOOK UP WITH THEIR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT GROUP AND SEE IF WHAT YOU PROPOSE IS OKAY WITH THEM AND WHAT SERVICE YOU WANT TO GET. AND, THEY ANALYZE A LOT OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PROJECTED VOLUME, WHAT IS YOUR PROJECTED COMMODITY, AT SOMETHING AT THIS HIGH LEVEL, IT MAY BE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SITING, FECS PRETTY PRO-INDUSTRIAL. SO, IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME THAT THEY'RE OKAY

WITH IT. >> SO, DO WE HAVE A YES ON THAT OR HAS IT BEEN CONFIRMED THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY DO THAT. I MEAN WE HAVE ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM WHERE THE PROPERTY'S INDUSTRIAL AND ON THE RAIL, COULD HE JUST GET ON THE RAIL, TOO? I'M JUST

CURIOUS. >> WELL, A, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE APPROVAL. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO WANT MORE OF A REAL SITE PLAN, MORE ADVANCED THAN THIS.

>> OKAY. DON'T GO AWAY BECAUSE I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

>> THE FEC IS A PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE WAY IT TYPICALLY OPERATES, WE'RE IN A COMP PLAN RIGHT NOW, SO, WITHOUT TRANSMITTAL, AND WITHOUT GETTING THE STEP OF APPROVAL AND ZONING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. EVERYTHING IS IN CONTEXT, RIGHT, SO, WE'RE IN CONCEPTUAL, WE TALKED TO FEC, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO ACCESS THEIR RAIL, THEY'RE A BUSINESS SO IF WE ACCESS THEIR RAIL, WE HAVE TO PAY THEM MONEY. SO, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. THERE IS A LONG PROCESS WHICH IS VERY RESTRICTIVE FROM THE STATE, AS YOU COULD IMAGINE, BUILDING A RAIL IS JUST LIKE BUILDING A HIGHWAY, AS FAR AS RESTRICTIONS.

SO, JUST LIKE, UM, IT OPERATES SIMILAR TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY, IN THAT, YOU COME WITH AN IDEA, AND YOU GUYS DON'T WRITE LETTERS OF SUPPORT WITHOUT AN IDEA BEING A PROJECT, SO, IT'S LIKE, HEY, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, COME BACK TO US WHEN YOU HAVE THE IDEA

PACKAGED AND READY TO GO. >> SO, IF I WANTED TO PUT DISNEY LAND THERE, AND I HAD THAT GREAT IDEA, IT'S NOT GONE

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VERY FAR. >> WELL, DISNEY IS RIGHT NOW LOOKING AT RAIL. AS WELL AS UNIVERSAL STUDIOS.

>> NO, FOR THE PROPERTY USE. WHERE DO YOU LIVE? SOUTH

FLORIDA DID YOU SAY? >> ME, NO, I LIVE IN

JACKSONVILLE. >> SO, I WAS WONDERING, OUT OF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN, 45 MINUTES, YOUR PRESENTATION, OR

AN HOUR. >> PROBABLY.

>> WE'VE MENTIONED ONE POINT THAT IS THE CRITICAL POINT OF THIS ENTIRE PROJECT AND THAT IS YOU HAVE NO CONNECTION TO I-95.

SO, I WOULD LIKE, IT WAS MENTIONED ONCE. SO, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WERE GOING ALL AROUND THE WHOLE POINT OF AN INTERMODAL RAIL COMMUTER SYSTEM. SO, HOW MANY, AND I HOPE THAT YOU COULD ANSWER THIS HONESTLY, HOW MANY PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE SEEN AN INTERMODAL EXCHANGE WHERE THE TRUCKS WERE, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCKS ARE LOADED AND DON'T THEY GO RIGHT TO THE FREEWAY, SO, HOW MANY PROJECT ARE NOT ON THE FREEWAY WITH THE RAIL SYSTEM IN SOME SORT OF FORMAT TOGETHER? HAVE YOU FOUND ANY?

>> INTERMODAL IS A BROAD TERM, RIGHT, IT MEANS DIFFERENT COMMODITIES, DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, SO, THIS FACILITY IS MORE LIKE A TRANSLOAD FACILITY OR A WAREHOUSE FACILITY, SO, I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK FOR THE CSX TRANSLOAD PEOPLE AND MOST OF THEIR SITES ARE NO DEAD ADJACENT TO A MAIN INTERSTATE SYSTEM.

>> HOW MANY? >> THEY PROBABLY HAVE 40 OR 50

OF THEM THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. >> SO, HOW FAR ARE THEY FROM

THE FREEWAY. >> HOWEVER, THEY DO ALL HAVE PRETTY GOOD ROUTES, EVENTUALLY GOOD ROUTES, HOW MANY OF THEM RUN THROUGH RESIDENTIAL PLACES? YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANTS THAT.

SO, NOT MANY. I WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEM ALL AND FIGURE

THEM ALL OUT. >> SO, THE DECELERATION LANE

SLIDE, MAY I SEE THAT? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU. SO, THAT'S 214, RIGHT?

>> THE IMAGE OR THE DESIGN? >> WELL, WHAT DOES IT CONNECT TO? WHAT'S THE ROAD IN THE FAR, NORTH PART OF THAT SLIDE?

>> SO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M ADDRESSING CORRECTLY, THERE ARE MULTIPLE IMAGES AND THEN THERE'S THE SITE. SO, THERE'S

THE SITE LINES. >> THE PICTURE OF THE ROAD, WHERE YOU HAVE THE PLAN OF THE DECELERATION OF THE TRUCKS.

>> YES? >> TO THE LEFT, GO TO THE PICTURE, THERE, THAT NORTH ROAD RIGHT THERE THAT I COULD SEE

FROM HERE, THE REAL ROAD. >> OKAY. THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE CROSS-SECTION COULD LOOK LIKE, THAT IS NOT 214, 214 RIGHT NOW, OTHER THAN HOLMES BOULEVARD. DOES NOT HAVE

DECELERATION LANES. >> WHAT'S THE ROAD CONNECTED TO IT ABOVE WHERE THERE'S A CAR IN THE PICTURE, THERE, RIGHT THERE, WHAT IS THAT? WHAT ROAD IS THAT?

>> THERE ARE MULTIPLE THINGS UP THERE.

>> THERE'S A CAR COMING INTO THE PICTURE ON THE ROAD. WHAT

ROAD IS THAT RIGHT THERE? >> THAT PICTURE, ON THE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND CORNER? THAT PICTURE IS AN EXAMPLE OF A CROSS-SECTION OF A ROAD WITH A LEFT-HAND TURN LANE, A THROUGH LANE, A RIGHT

DECELL LANE. >> SO THAT'S NOT 214?

>> NO, MA'AM. >> CHAIR:

>> SO, MY HUSBAND AND I WENT AND LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY, AND THE ROAD LOOKED A LOT LIKE THAT, THERE WERE NO EDGES, IT WAS NARROW. AND WE ALMOST GOT INTO A HEAD ON ON COLLISION, IT WAS SCARY BECAUSE IT'S SO NARROW. BECAUSE ONE GUY WAS TRYING TO COME AROUND US AND WE WERE ALMOST THROWN OFF THE ROAD. MY CONCERN ARE THE GIANT TRUCKS WHICH WILL GO ON 214? IS THAT WERE THEY START? I'M NOT SURE, DO THEY COME OUT ON 214?

>> SO, 214 RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY, THE ACCESS POINTFUL PROJECT WHICH MEET OUR CURRENT ALLOWABLE USE ON THE ROAD, WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS OUT THERE. SO, 214 IS CURRENTLY A TWO-LANE ROAD WITH FAIRLY WIDE LANES AS FAR AS IT'S ACTUALLY WIDER THAN WHAT'S KUCURRENTLY ALLOWED TO BE BUILT BECAUSE IT PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO DRIVE FASTER THAN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OR ALLOWED TO BE. SO THERE'S BEEN AN ADDRESSING OF THAT. AS FAR AS THE TWO-LANE CONFIGURATION, THAT IS WHY WE ADDED 500 FEET OF DECELERATION AT THE INTERSECTION AND THAT MEETS, OR EXCEEDS OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CURRENTLY

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SO, IT PROVIDES A DEDICATED SPACE FOR THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY TO IMPROVE AND ENHANCE SAFETY VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. THIS PROMISE, ALSO BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF WHAT IT IS, ALLOWS US AS A COUNT TO ADDRESS THE EXISTING STRUCTURAL ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN A WAY THAT WE CAN'T DO CURRENTLY. SO, FROM A TRUCK TRAFFIC ROUTING PERSPECTIVE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THE CURRENT NETWORK IS 214, EVERYTHING OFFLOADS ONTO HOLMES,

GOING NORTH, KNOWLOGICALLY. >> I THINK THAT THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT IT'S A LONG WAY TO GET TO THE FREEWAY AND IT'S GOING TO BE TRAVELING THROUGH THESE SMALL, LITTLE, TWO-LANE ROADS AND THERE'S A BUS STOP IN THERE FOR KIDS, AND, I MP, WE DROVE AROUND THREW THE DEERWOOD, AREA, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW A GIANT, WHOLE BUNCH OF TRUCKS OPERATING 24 HOUR AS DAY WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO, IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL PERSON HERE?

THE ECOLOGICAL SERVICES? >> COULD I HAVE THE FIRST

SLIDE? >> THANK YOU.

>> >> SO, I WATCHED. PZA, THE FOUR-HOUR PZA, DR. HILSENBECK, I THOUGHT HE HAD GOOD INSIGHTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT. I DON'T SEE THE BUFFER THERE. THIS IS A CURRENT PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY, COULD YOU GO TO THE ACTUAL

AERIAL? >> WE HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER REPRESENTATIVE HERE. AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONTINUED FENCE LINE ON 214 AND THAT PARTICULAR SITE IS NOT ON THAT PROPERTY.

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. >> YEAH.

>> AND THIS PICTURE'S DIFFERENT THAN THE PICTURE THAT YOU WERE SHOWING US, IT LOOKS LIKE MORE CLEAR CUTTING HAS GONE ON THERE.

>> THERE'S A CURRENT AG PLAN THAT ALLOW FOR 95% TIMBERING.

AS WELL AS ALLOW US TO REHABILITATE THE PROJECT, THE PROPERTY AREA WITH ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS AND THINGS.

>> WELL, DR. HILLSENBACK TALKED ABOUT GOING BACK TO THE SILVER

CULTURE, PLACE MANAGEMENT LAND. >> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AG USE AND WHAT OCCURS, WETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A VIOLATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHICH HAD OCCURRED, THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR AGENCY AS WELL AS YOU KNOW, REMEDIES WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING OPPORTUNITY TO REHAB THAT. SO, THERE'S A REASON TO CONSIDER OTHER USES, BECAUSE OF CERTAIN THINGS THAT OCCUR WHEN THERE'S CLEARING OF TIMBER, AND ISSUES THAT IT HAS CAUSE TO A CREEK WHETHER IT'S 25-50 FEET OR HOWEVER MANY FEET.

>> WELL, OUR STAFF WROTE IN PAGE 11, THE BOTTOM PARAGRAPH, THAT IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, IT COULD RESTRICT THE USE OF YOU DOING ANYTHING ON THIS PROPERTY FOR FOUR YEARS.

>> IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, TO STEP BACK FOR A MINUTE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, NUMBER ONE, SO, THIS WHOLE AREA HERE THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ALONG 214, THIS IS ADAM'S ACRES HERE ON THE WEST SIDE. UP HERE, YOU HAVE, UM, POWERLINE ROAD AND OTHER ROADS, THIS WHOLE AREA HERE, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF FEET OF ROADWAY THAT HAVE NOTHING, YOU KNOW, TREES ON EITHER SIDE, SO, MAY BE IT'S HARD TO TELL WHERE COLONEL HINMAN'S PROPERTY IS, AS YOU COULD SEE HERE, IT'S THIS AREA HERE, THAT PICTURE WAS NOT A PICTURE OF THEIR PROPERTY. AND THEN, TO MOVE FORWARD TO YOUR QUESTION AND YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE DISCUSSION OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF, AS YOU SAW FROM OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN, I'LL PUT THAT BACK UP IN A MINUTE, THE INTENT OF THIS PROJECT, BASED ON WHAT YOU HEARD HEATHER SAY ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY NOW, WITH ALL THE TIMBERING AND CLEARING AND AG MANAGEMENT WHERE

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YES, ARE THERE AREAS THAT WERE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF CLEAR-CUT IS THE APPROPRIATE WAY, BECAUSE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO TIMBER PARTS OF THE PROPERTY UNDER THE APPROVED STATE AG MANAGEMENT PLAN AND ALSO ALLOWED TO HAVE CATTLE.

>> BUT NOT NEAR THE CREEK? >> YES, I WAS GOING TO GET TO THAT. THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS WITHOUT FURTHER EXPLANATION FROM THE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION AT LENGTH IF ANY OF YOU WATCHED THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY, WITH AGENCY MEMBER HILLSENBACK.

>> YOU KNOW, HE'S A VOLUNTEER. >> I UNDERSTAND, I TALKED WITH HIM AFTER THAT AND WE BOTH TALKED WITH EACH OTHER, IT'S FINE, THERE'S NO ANIMOSITY. WE HAVE LOTS OF INTERACTIONS AND I THINK THAT WE'RE FRIENDS. THE FACT IS THAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK TO IS OUR INTENT. THE INTENT OF THIS PROJECT IS TO HAVE THIS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN THE MIDDLE, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS AREA, TO REINVIGORATE AND HAVE IT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS, IF NOT BETTER. AND THAT'S THE INTENT.

>> I MEAN, THE INTENT IS YOUR, WE HAVE TO TRUST YOU, AND THERE'S A LITTLE TRUST ISSUE. BUT, THE INTENT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS RES-B. THAT'S RESIDENTIAL HOMES, ONE HOME PER ACRE, AND FRANKLY, IT WILL BE LESS TRAFFIC HAVING THAN THAN HAVING TRUCKS OFFLOADING EVERYDAY FROM A RAIL THAT WE DON'T HAVE APPROVAL YET FOR. THAT'S MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU.

>> I THINK THAT OUR TRANSPORTATION EXPERT SHOWED YOU THE NUMBERS BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL.

>> NOT ONLY THAT, IF WE GO RESIDENTIAL WE'RE JUST CONTINUING TO EXACERBATE. WE VOTED DOWN AS A COUNTY, WE DON'T WANT NEW TAXES. BUT, EVERYBODY'S COMPLAINT IS TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE INTERSTATE INTERCHANGE. AND ALL OF THESE THINGS.

>> MA'AM, INDUSTRIAL, MR. WHITEHOUSE SAID WE HAVE ONLY FIVE INDUSTRIAL AREAS. PER MY REQUEST FROM MY ATTORNEYS IN THE OFFICE, GENIUS PEOPLE, THE FOLLOWING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ALLOW FOR INDUSTRIAL USES, ONE INDUSTRIAL, TWO MIXED USE, THREE BUSINESS AND COMMERCE PARK, FOUR TOWN CENTER VILLAGE, FOUR, DDI, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY I WOULD CHANGE RESIDENTIAL TO INDUSTRIAL WHERE IT'S NOT EVEN CONNECTING TO I-95. YOU COULD KEEP TALKING, BUT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

>> IF WE CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. IF WE CONTINUE TO ONLY PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR LARGE SWATHS OF LAND WHICH ARE PUD WHICH ARE SICKLE FAMILY WITH POOLS AND ALL THE REST OF IT, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO NOT HAVE A DIVERSE ECONOMY. INFILL PROJECTS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS, PROVIDE A VERY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY. AND INFILL PROJECTS WHICH ARE NOT SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WHICH ARE $500,000 A PIECE, WHICH THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AND THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ADJACENT TO THIS AREA WOULD NOT PROBABLY BE ABLE TO AFFORD RIGHT NOW, SINCE, HALF OF THEM MOVED IN SINCE 2016 BASED ON THE PROPERTY TAX RULES.

BUT, THE REST OF THEM MOVED IN A LONG TIME AGO. SO, IF WE THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTY, FOR ME, MY CHILD, AND OTHERS WHAT WANT TO MOVE HERE, WE HAVE TO THINK DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT WE

DON'T HAVE OTHER THINGS. >> THERE'LL BE MORE TIME TO SORT OF RESPOND. I WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF THAT'S OKAY. >> CHAIR: I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, I ENJOYED CHAIR, TAKE US INTO PUBLIC CE - COMMENT. BEFORE WE DO, WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'LL BE REPRESENTING FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY?

>> YES, COMMISSIONER, WE DO HAVE A DESIGNATED

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>> I THINK THAT'S SMART TO HAVE THE COLONEL GO FIRST SINCE HE'S REPRESENTING 25 PEOPLE WHO SIGNED A PETITION. GIVE THE COLONEL 10 MINUTES, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

>> . >> CHAIR: I WOULD PREFER TO HEAR THE COLONEL, HE'S SPEAKING FOR 23 PEOPLE.

>> CHAIR: WE'RE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> CHAIR: CAN YOU DO IT BRIEFLY?

>> PLEASE. >> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 1 AND TWO, AGENDA ITEM ONE

AND TWO. >> DJ, WEST CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE, I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THIS PROCEDURE HAS BEEN GOING SO FAR, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A TIME LIMIT ON THE PRESENTATION, IT WENT FROM 9:15 TO, 10:00, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS LIKE 50 MINUTES, AND NOW, EVERYONE'S GOING TO GET THREE MINUTES. I THOUGHT THERE'S A CLOCK RUNNING ON THE PRESENTATION, IF I'M RIGHT OR WRONG, NOTHING WAS DONE ABOUT IT AND WE'RE ALMOST AT 10:30 AND AT 11:30 WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR EVERYBODY. MY CONCERN IS WHAT IS PROCEDURE FOR THESE PRESENTATIONS, IT'S TAKING TOO LONG AND I THOUGHT THERE WAS A TIME LIMIT. AND I THINK THERE ARE NEW PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW AND THEY NEED TO KNOW THE PROCEDURE, DO THE PRESENTERS GET TO GO ON AND ON OR ARE THEY

ON A TIME LIMIT? THANK YOU? >> CHAIR: MR. MIGUT, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT, DO THEY HAVE A TIME LIMIT?

>> THE CURRENT POLICY DOES NOT PROVIDE A TIME LIMIT FOR THE

APPLICANT. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP. I APPRECIATE THAT. COLONEL, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED AND YOU GET 10 MINUTES.

>> I DID PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE CLERK AS WELL, AND ALSO A COPY OF MY COMMENTS TODAY.

MR. CHAIRMAN, OTHER COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS COLONEL THOMAS MARK TURNER, I RESIDE AT 4024 VERMONT BOULEVARD IN ELKDONE, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OF VERMONT HEIGHTS. I KNOW THAT YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH VERMONT HEIGHTS AND OUR RECENT ISSUES WITH TRUCK TRAFFIC IN GENERAL. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, MY NEIGHBORS AND OTHER RESIDENTS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO EXCEED THEIR TIME. I'M A CORE OF ENGINEERS TRAINED MASTER PLANNER AND FORMER CHIEF MASTER PLAN ARER IN THE MIDDLE EAST WITH A NUMBER OF CREDITS AND PUBLICATIONS INCLUDING THE MIDDLE EAST CLIMATE ADAPTATION PLAN. I HAVE A DEGREE IN INDUSTRIAL MANAGEMENT AND A MASTER'S IN BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT. AS A MASTER PLANNER, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, BASICALLY, THIS IS THE WRONG PROJECT FOR THIS LOCATION FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. I WANT YOU TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE SEE THAT, PLANNING AND ZONING SAW IT, COUNTY STAFF SAW IT AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL SEE IT AS WELL. THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS BY DESCRIPTION, BY EXPERT TESTIMONY HERE THIS MORNING, THIS IS A RAIL YARD. THIS IS AN INTERMODAL EXCHANGES WITH A WAREHOUSE AND A RAIL YARD SO I WANT YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS I MOVE FORWARD. THERE ARE ADVERSE IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT, MOST NOTABLY OUR COUNTERROAD INFRASTRUCTURE, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY IMPACTS AND THE EXACERBATION OF EXISTING SPEED, NOISE, AND VIBRATIONS NUISANCES. THIS HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS INCOMPATIBLE BY REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE COUNTY STAFF HAVING IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT. THE KEY TO THIS IS THE INHERENT NEED FOR ACCESS TO THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM. AS IS STANDS, COUNTY ROAD 214 HAS NO ACCESS TO I-95, IT'S NOT LIKELY TO GAIN ACCESS, THEREFORE TRUCKS THAT NEED TO TRAVEL NEAR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS OR THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE VERMONT HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY EXACERBATED BY WASTE MANAGEMENT TRAFFIC. THERE'S NO EXACT AND INTERSECTIONS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE ANALYZED. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ONLY HEARING ABOUT COUNTY ROAD 214. THIS MAKES ALL

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>> AS I'VE STATED WE ALREADY KNOW THERE'S A LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABLE FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WHICH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REQUIRES TO SUPPORT SECTION AMENDMENT, WE KNOW THAT IN THE RECENT ELECTION WE WERE UNABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CURRENT DEFICITS THAT WE HAVE. SO, THE THOUGHT OF WHERE THE FUNDING WOULD COME FROM TO HELP ADDRESS ALL OF THESE OTHER ADDITIONAL ISSUES BEYOND HIGHWAY 214 IS OF IMPORTANCE. ADDING SUCH CONCEPTUAL PROPOSALS AS RAIL SERVICES IS NOT HELPFUL EITHER, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT LOCATION IS NOT LISTED IN THE 2022 DRAFT FLORIDA RAIL SYSTEM PLAN CHAPTER 3 SECTION 3.7.3, THE PLAN MENTIONS THE 2009 FEASIBILITY STUDY ESTIMATING THE 90-MILE TOTAL PRONELY COSTS $622 MILLION INCLUDING A $40 MILLION ANNUAL OPERATING COST, IN CONTEXT, THIS RESULT IS 27.6% OF THE 2000 BETTER JACKSONVILLE PLAN YET CURRENTLY ALL FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT HAS BEEN EXPENDED. THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WITH A 38-MILE PROJECT COST OF $395 MILLION INCLUDING A $25.1 MILLION ANNUAL OPERATING COST NOTING THESE STATIONS, JACKSONVILLE, JRTC, AT LA VILLA. AND THE TWO IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY BEING RACE TRACK ROAD AND KING STREET. NOW, FROM A MASTER PLANNER'S PERSPECTIVE, AREAS ARE CONSISTENT WITH MIXED USE. HOWEVER, THOSE ARE UNFUNDED. WHY A MASTER PLAN FOR A PROJECT THAT HAS NO IDENTIFIABLE FUNDING SOURCE AND NO OPERATIONS BACKBONE. AND SO, WOULD THE FUNDING BE SHOULDERED BY THE RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY SO SUBSIDIZE SUCH A VENTURE. THE CONSENSUS HAD BEEN THAT THIS TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND INTENDED RAIL USE AND STORAGE IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN PART OF THE COUNTY LAND DVELOPMENT CODE. LET ME QUOTE THE STAFF "GIVEN THE PROPOSED USE IN THE SUBJECT'S PROPERTY LOCATION THERE'S A STRONG POSSIBILITY FOR SIGNIFICANT TRUCK TRAFFIC USING TWO-LANE COUNTY ROADS THAT DO NOT HAVE DIRECT ACCESS OR CONNECTION TO I-95 OR MAJOR OR OR TEALIAL ROADWAYS, ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE NOT OTHER TYPE FACILITIES LOCATED IN 214 THAT ALLOWS FOR THE FULL BREATH OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND GENERAL PUBLIC USES". KEEP THAT IN MIND.

ALLOWED WITHIN THE IW ZONING DISTRICT. GIVEN ALL THE FACTORS, PLANNING STAFF HAS CONCERNED THAT THE PROPOSED USE COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE RESIDENTIAL USES AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS LOCATED IN THE VICINITY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THAT BEING SAID, WE ALL BELIEVE THIS WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE LOCAL RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS ALREADY NEGATIVELY IMPACTED DUE TO THE CLEAR CUTTING ALONG THE CREEK. BOTTOM LINE, THIS IS JUST NOT COMPATIBLE WITHIN THIS AREA. THE COUNTY STAFF AND THE LOCAL RESIDENTS KNOW THAT. COMPATIBILITY IS ONE OF THE MAIN

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>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT? >> I LIVE IN THE DEERWOOD ACRES NEIGHBORHOOD. I COULD STAND UP HERE AND TALK FOR HOURS ABOUT THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE ON NOT ONLY THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS BUT ALL OF ST. AUGUSTINE, THE CLEARING OF LAND, AND. I HAVE NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR THE PROFESSIONALS BEHIND THIS PROJECT AND THE HARD WORK THAT THEY'VE PUT INTO THIS, BUT, I BELIEVE THAT IF THIS WAS TURNED AROUND, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WOULD BE UP IN MY SPOT OPPOSING AN INDUSTRIAL PARK IN THEIR BACKYARDS. THIS IS JUST A WRONG FIT FOR ST. AUGUSTINE, IT'S A WRONG LOCATION. A WRONG PLACE.

UM, I'VE TALKED TO MANY PEOPLE IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE AREA, NOT JUST IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT, IN ALL OF ST. AUGUSTINE, I HAVE FRIENDS ALL OVER, AND EVERYBODY OPPOSES IT BECAUSE WHAT IT WILL DO AND HOW IT WILL CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE GET AROUND IN THIS TOWN AND THE DANGERS TO OURSELVES AND OUR CHILDREN. THE TRUCKS WILL COME OUT WITHOUT ACCESS TO I-95 AND THEY WILL GO RIGHT PAST MURRAY MIDDLE SCHOOL.

IT'S A KNOWN FACT THAT DIESEL FUEL FROM TRUCKS CAUSES ILLNESS, RESPIRATORY ISSUES. I'VE PILES OF REPORTS WHICH I'VE READ OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, PROBABLY MORE THAN I WANT TO ON THE DANGERS OF INTERMODAL FACILITIES AND INCREASED TRUCK TRAFFIC. THIS IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THIS AREA. THEY SAY IT WILL TAKE TRUCKS OFF OF 95 AND TRUCKS OFF THE STREETS OF JACKSONVILLE. BUT, IT WILL DEFINITELY, ABSOLUTELY, ADD MORE TRUCKS TO THE STREETS OF ST. AUGUSTINE. JACKSONVILLE IS JACKSONVILLE, 95 IS A STATE ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE IS OUR'S.

IT'S THIS TOWN, UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT A GOOD FIT FOR THIS INTERMODAL FACILITY. THE DIFFERENT DANGEROUS THAT WILL COME FROM THESE FACILITIES ARE NOT ONLY HEALTH RISKS, DAMAGE TO THE ROADS, DAMAGE TO INFRASTRUCTURE, I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON, WITH, UM, DIFFERENT NEGATIVE IMPACTS THAT

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AUGUSTINE. I MOVED HERE. I'M A CONTRACTOR, CARPENTER, AND YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR MAKING CHANGES AND DOING THINGS, BUT, THIS IS

NOT THE RIGHT FIT. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANKS. >> IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO COME DOWN AND SPLIT UP, WE HAVE MULTIPLE PODIUMS. I'M JAKE STRESS, I'M A LAND RESIDENT? ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT OF PERSONAL THINGS, PEOPLE'S OPINIONS, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE THE PROFESSIONALS VOTING ON IT, BUT, FRANKLY, I KNOW SEVERAL FAMILIES WHO HAVE MOVED OUT OF ST.

AUGUSTINE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WORK FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LIFESTYLE FOR THEIR KIDS OR THEIR FAMILIES. YOU KNOW, WE ALL HEAR THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AN EYESORE, BUT, WITH THE BUFFER THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE, AND EVERYTHING THAT I SEE FROM WHAT WAS PRESENTED, I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE ANY WORSE OF AN ISSUE THAN BUILDING HOMES, IF ANYTHING, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE IDEAL TO BUILDING HOMES BECAUSE WITH THE CURRENT PLANNING, IF YOU GET TWO HOUSES PER ACRE, OR EVEN ONE HOUSE PER ACRE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ADDING HUNDREDS OF VEHICLES JUST TO THAT SMALL AREA, VERSUS WHAT I SAW IN THE PLAN, 91 TRUCKS A DAY. THAT'S FAR LESS OF AN IMPACT, HONESTLY, AND, AGAIN, PERSONAL PREFERENCESIOUS WHAT PEOPLE WANT, VERSUS, WHAT THE COUNTY NEEDS IN MY OPINION, BIG, BIG DIFFERENCE. THE COUNTY NEEDS MORE WORK. THE COUNTY NEEDS MORE INCOME, YOU KNOW? A TAG FEE FOR A TRUCK? $1,200, FOR A PERSON, $100. I OWN A SMALL BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO FIND PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WORK, BUT, IT'S EQUALLY AS HARD TO FIND SOMEBODY WHOSE WILLING TO HIRE SOMEBODY. YOU KNOW, I'LL GET HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ASKING, HEY T DO YOU KNOW ANYBODY WHOSE HIRING? BECAUSE, PEOPLE CANNOT FIND GOOD WORK. THEY'RE STUCK WORKING AT RESTAURANTS, THEY'RE STUCK WORKING ANYWHERE ELSE THAN WHERE THEY WOULD RATHER WORK OR PUT THEIR SKILLS TO USE.

SKILLED TRADES ARE DYING. PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO WORK IN INDUSTRIAL SECTORS. IT'S A NECESSITY FOR ST. AUGUSTINE.

IT'S A NECESSITY FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. BUSINESSES ARE CLOSING DOWN. PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE OR ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. RESIDENTIAL, THERE'S PLENTY OF IT. IT'S CONTINUING TO GROW, PEOPLE MOVE HERE AND THEN THEY MOVE OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THEIR LIFESTYLE BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S GOING UP EXCEPT FOR WAGES BECAUSE IT'S SO COMPETITIVE YOU'RE A BUSINESS AND YOU HAVE 50 PEOPLE APPLYING A DAY FOR YOUR BUSINESS, YOU HAVE NO INCENTIVE TO RAISE THE WAGES FOR PEOPLE. THE RAIL'S ALREADY THERE, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A A NEW NUISANCE. IT'S GOING TO HELP THE LOCAL ECONOMY, IT'S NOT GOING TO HURT ANYBODY, IF ANYTHING, IT'S GOING TO HELP EVERYBODY. THERE'LL BE MONEY GOING TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, I HAVE KIDS, I WANT A FUTURE HERE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED FOR ST.

AUGUSTINE AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> HI, I'M ATHEN IN A HINMAN, AND I LIVE AT 25235 DEERWOOD ACRES DRIVE. YOU MAY KNOW YOUR SOCIETY IS DOOMED WHEN IN ORDER TO PRODUCE YOU NEED TO OBTAIN PERMISSION FROM MEN WHO PRODUCE NOTHING. ALSO, HE'S A JOB CREATOR, CURRENTLY, ST. JOHNS COUNTY JOB OFFERINGS ARE LARGELY FEMALE DRIVEN. THIS PROJECT WOULD HELP WITH FILLING IN THE DISPARITY OF MALE-DRIVEN JOBS IN THE COUNTY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT ME AND MY HOME ON DEERWOOD ACRES WHERE I PLAN TO LIVE THE REST OF MY LIFE ARE THE CLOSEST TO THIS PROJECT AND RIGHT BESIDE THE RAILROAD TRACK ALL OF MY FAMILY LIVE IN THIS AREA ALSO. IF THIS PROJECT WAS AS DESTRUCTIVE TO THE RESIDENTS' LIVES THAT SEE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE YOU TO BELIEVE ME AND MY FAMILY WOULD NOT LIVE NEAR IT. NO MATTER HOW HARD WE TRY TO HOLD ONTO OLD ST. JOHNS

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WAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> HI, I'M ELAINE GRIFFITH, AND I LIVE IN ELK DONE. FIRST THING THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS PUT AN ON AND OFF RAMP ON 214, THEY WILL MAKE IT WIDER, YOU ASKED IF, SHE LEFT, ONE OF YOU ASKED IF, UM, YOU NEEDED RAIL TO HAVE A WAREHOUSE, YOU DON'T NEED RAIL.

THEY WILL BUILD WAREHOUSES EVERYWHERE, YOU WON'T HAVE NO TREES LEFT ON 214, ABOUT THE ONLY THING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LEFT IS WAREHOUSES GOING INTO ST. AUGUSTINE. TAKE A LOOK AT ELWOOD, ILLINOIS AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO IT.

>> THANK YOU. >> HI, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY. I'M SAAR RAY AND THIS IS MY HUSBAND, ANDY, WE LIVE AT 156 AND 160 PRAIRIE LAKES IN ST. AUGUSTINE. BOTH OF US MOVED HERE FROM CHICAGO, WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ABOUT THIS BEAUTIFUL, HISTORICAL TOWN AND WANTING TO BUILD OUR FUTURE HERE, WE FOUND THE PROPERTY AND THE LOT IN PRAIRIE LAKE, MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS ARE HERE TO SUPPORT THIS CAUSE. AND WE BUILT OUR BEAUTIFUL HOME AND WE WOULD LOVE TO RETIRE HERE, AND WE SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES. I'M IN COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING, MY HUSBAND IS IN IT, OUR CHILDREN LOOK FORWARD TO VISITING US. WE WANT TO HAVE THE REST OF OUR LIVES TO ENJOY OUR HOME WITH OUR GRANDCHILDREN HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. AS YOU HAVE HEARD FROM MANY OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE COME TODAY TO SUPPORT US AND NOT WANTING TO BUILD THIS HERE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, WE WANT PEACE, WE WANT QUIET, WE WANT TRANQUILLITY, AND I THINK THAT MY HUSBAND HAS A FEW POINTS TO

GO OVER. >> THE HOME HERE, BECAUSE THIS WAS A COMPLETE 100% RESIDENTIAL AREA. THE INDUSTRIAL MODAL WOULD BE FIVE TO SIX MILES FROM HERE STARTING DOWNTOWN.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE A VERY LOUD HIGHWAY NOISE AND AS PER THE LAST PRESENTATION, THERE'LL BE THE INTERMODAL WOULD BE OPERATING ABOUT 2500 TO 2400 TRUCKS 24/7 AND THE ONLY ACCESS HIGHWAY THEY HAVE IS HOLMES, 214, OR ALLEN. THEY WOULD EVENTUALLY TRY TO USE THE US 1 IN ORDER TO BY PASS THIS.

>> THE TRUCK WILL BE OPERATING ON 95, THAT ALSO COMPOUNDS ON THE EXISTING TRAFFIC. THEY MENTIONED THEY WOULD BE PUT TING FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS OF BUFFER, HOW WOULD THAT IMPROVE THE SOUND TRANSMISSION? THE I-95 IS ALREADY SO MUCH CONGESTED AND REGARDING THE JOB OPPORTUNITIES, THIS IS WHAT WALMART PROMISED, JOB OPPORTUNITIES, AND WHAT DID THEY DO, SELF-CHECK OUTS? AND HOW MANY LOCAL PEOPLE GOT JOBS AT WALMART? PEOPLE ARE LEAVING.

THAT'S WHAT AMAZON DID IN THE JACKSONVILLE AIRPORT AND WITHIN THREE YEARS' TIME FRAME, WHAT HAPPENS, ALL THE LOADING AND UNLOADING IN THE AMAZON WAREHOUSE IS BEING DONE BY THE ROBOTS, SO THERE ARE NO HUMAN JOBS. ALL THE MOVEMENT IT HAVE TRAFFIC, THE UP LOADING AND DOWN LOADING WILL BE DONE BY ROBOTS THERE'LL BE NO LOCAL JOBS AVAILABLE. SO, ONE OF THE REASONS IS EVERY SINGLE HOME THAT THE USERS BOUGHT THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THEY SAID THAT WILL NOT BE CHANGED. THAT IS THE REASON EVERYONE INVESTED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MA'AM?

>> I'M JOE RYAN, AND I LIVE AT 699 STANDARD DRIVE IN THE UNREPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT THREE, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT INCONSISTENCIES OR ISSUES THAT I HAD WITH THE PRESENTATION.

FIRST, THERE'S 1,000 JOBS THAT THIS THING WOULD CREATE, UM, THAT WOULD REQUIRE AT LEAST, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, CAR POOL, THAT WOULD IT REQUIRE ONE THOUSAND PARKING LOT SPACES IN THIS FACILITY AND THIS IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HAVING THAT AMOUNT FROM THE PICTURES THAT I SAW. SO, I THINK THAT THE JOB ESTIMATE, AND

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>> THANK YOU, SIR. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND HANDING THOSE TO THE ATTORNEY. SIR? IF YOU COULD PLEASE GIVE YOUR

MATERIALS... >> THAT'S NOT MINE.

>> YOU'RE PAPERS. >> MA'AM, I'M NOT SURE IF I SAW HIM PUT, WE NEVER USED THE CAMERA.

>> MY APOLOGIES. MA'AM? >> OKAY. MY NAME'S LORI PEARSON, BORN AND RAISED HERE, I'VE LIVED ON HOMES BOULEVARD AND DEEDEERWOOD ACRES, SO, AS A RESIDENT WHO HAS EXPERIENCED BOTH ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS. MY FATHER'S OWNED LEFT AUTO PARTS AND SALVAGE FOR AS MANY YEARS THAT I COULD REMEMBER WHEN HE TOOK OVER FROM MY GRANDFATHER, THE ACCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN ON HOLMES BOULEVARD NOW AS IT IS, ARE RIDICULOUS.

IF YOU'RE ADDING THAT MANY MORE SEMITRUCK FROM AN INTERMODAL FACILITY ONTO HOLMES BOULEVARD, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND THE WILDWOOD DRIVE EXTENSION THROUGH THAT AREA, WE HAVE THE 312 EXTENSION THROUGH THE AREA, IT'S ALREADY OVERLOADED AS IT IS. WE DON'T HAVE THE ROOM FOR IT. UM, THE OTHER THING IS POLLUTION. EVERYBODY'S ALREADY AT THE LIMITS OF POLLUTION WITH THE EXISTING PROJECTS THAT WERE PROFILE ALLOWED AND ARE ONGOING IN THE AREA. ALL HOMES . THE AMOUNT OF POLLUTION WHICH WILL BE DUMPED INTO THE CREEK AND EXPANDED FROM THERE INTO THE TRI TRIBUTARIES THERE. THAT CREEK EXPANDS THAT WHOLE, ENTIRE AREA.

SO, TO NOT LOOK AT THAT, ON TOP OF THE NOISE, THE TRAFFIC, HOLMES BOULEVARD, AND ALLEN ROAD, NEITHER ONE OF THEM CAN HANDLE THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC INCREASE. WE'RE ALREADY

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BACK. AND -- >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> I'M JOHN I LIVE AT 6160, COUNTY ROAD 305, I'M FOR THE PROJECT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS, NUMBER ONE, MOST OF MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY LOOKING FOR GOOD JOBS HAVE TO TRAVEL FAR, JACKSONVILLE, I HAVE FRIEND WHO WORK FOR THE RAIL AND THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL FAR AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY TO CREATE RE KNEW AND TAXES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND I WORK ON COUNTY ROAD 214, THERE'S LOTS OF TRAFFIC WITH THE TRUCKS AND NO ONE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT. SO, NOW THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON, EVERYONE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY. SO, THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE TO SAY.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MY NAME SUNSHINE RONNIE AND I LIVE AT 1257 PRINCE ROAD AND I'M FOR THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I WOULD RATHER SEE THE LOCALS USE THEIR LAND WITH SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE THE ECONOMY MONEY AND I THINK THAT THE I-95 EXCHANGE WILL HELP THE AREA WITH TRAFFIC. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, THANK YOU FOR

YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> HELLO, I'M KAY ANN, AND WE OWN HOMES AT 2285, DEEDEERWOOD ACRES DRIVE. I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION WHAT IS BEING LOST SIGHT OF WHICH IS ALL THE PEOPLE. THE FAMILIES THAT CHOSE TO LIVE IN THIS AREA. WE PURCHASED OUR PROPERTY ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO.

WHY? FOR THE WAY OF LIFE. IT'S THAT COUNTRY FEEL BUT YOU'RE CLOSE TO TOWN, WITHIN TWO MILES OF WEST KING AND FIVE MILES FROM ST. GEORGE STREET. OUR MOST BELOVED AREA OF THE ENTIRE COUNTY. MANY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS, MANY ARE NEW BUT ALL WANT TO PRESERVE THE WAY OF LIFE THAT WE HAVE. AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO, ONE OF PEACE, CLEAN AIR, WATER, AND ABOVE ALL, ONE THAT IS SAFE. THIS PROJECT WILL CAUSE GREAT INCREASES IN TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY, SEMIS, HEAVY TRUCKS AND THE CAR FROM THE EMPLOYEES THAT GO IN AND OUT. AND SPEAKING OF SAFETY, WHAT ABOUT EMERGENCY SERVICES BLOCKED ALL DAY DUE TO THE GREATLY INCREASED TRAFFIC ON THE RAILROAD CROSSINGS AT HOLMES AS USED SINGLE TRACK, ONE TIME A WEEK. CHILDREN WAIT FOR THE SCHOOL BUS ON 214, THEIR SAFETY IS A PRIORITY FOR ANY PARENT AND THE INCREASED TRAFFIC THAT COMES WITH THIS PROJECT IS UNACCEPTABLE AND COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE WITH OUR AREA.

THEY TALK ABOUT JOBS CREATED. YET, WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THESE DIRECTLY AFFECTED IN THE DIRECT, LOCAL COMMUNTY OF WEST KING, VERMONT HEIGHTS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE IMPACTED? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS HAVING FAMILY IN THE RAIL YARDS, MOST OF THOSE JOBS COME WITH DIFFERENT LEVELS OF EXPERIENCE.

I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT THE PROOF IS THERE FOR THOSE JOBS CREATED FOR THOSE PEOPLE. BUT, ABOVE THAT, AT WHAT COST IS ALL OF THIS IT'S YOU WAY OF LIFE. YOU KNOW, WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE OF BUYING OUR PROPERTIES AND PURCHASING OUR HOMES MAKING SURE THAT IT WILL ALWAYS REMAIN RESIDENTIAL. WAS NOTHING ON THE TIMELINE THAT WE WERE GOING TO OPEN UP THE INTERCHANGE AT 95.

WE DID THAT DUE DILIGENCE WITH WE BOUGHT THOSE PROPERTIES AND THAT STANDS FOR SOMETHING. IT STANDS FOR WANTING THE LIFE THAT WE'VE CREATED ON THIS ROAD AND MANY OTHERS HAVE CREATED ALSO.

A SIMILAR BUT SMALLER PROJECT RECENTLY WAS DENIED IN MELTON, THE DENIAL WAS BASED ON INCOMPATIBILITY AND IT WAS ON 207 AMIDST LARGE FARM LAND. THIS PROJECT WOULD BE IN THE MIDDLE OF MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOODS, IMPACTING HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES DIRECTLY AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE INDIRECTLY. WE ASK YOU TO DENY THIS TRANSMITTAL TODAY AS THE

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YOU. >> MORNING, I'M GINA AND I LIVE AT 2229 DEERWOOD ACRES DRIVE THIS HOME IS OUR FOREVER HOME DUE TO THE BEAUTIFUL NATURE OF THE ENVIRONMENT. YOUR FUTURE PROJECT WILL BE DESTROYING EVERYTHING THAT WE MOVED HERE FOR. THE PAST YEAR HAS BEEN HORRIBLE FOR ME AND MY FAMILY, I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH STAGE FOUR METASTATIC BREAST CANCER AT 41 AND I WAS DIAGNOSED THIS PAST MONTH WITH A DISEASE, I CAN NOT LEAVE AND START OVER DUE TO MY TREATMENTS AT MAYO CLINIC, WHICH IS MY MEANS OF SURVIVAL. PLEASE ALLOW MY CHILDREN TO GROW UP IN A HOME THAT MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BUILT FOR THEM WITH LOVE.

I'M A FIGHTER AND I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR MY LIFE AND FOR MY HOME THAT I BUILT FOR MY FAMILY. PLEASE KEEP THE FAMILIES OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN MIND THAT WE LIVE HERE ON THE OUTSKIRTS FOR A REASON. THERE ARE PLENTY MORE SUITABLE AREAS FOR THE CONCRETE JUNGLE THAT YOU WANT TO BUILD. PLEASE CONSIDER KEEPING US NATURAL AND BEAUTIFUL, AND POCKETS CAN BE LINED ANYWHERE, BUT, MY FAMILY'S FOREVER SHOULDN'T BE CHANGED IN THE PROCESS. PLEASE KEEP OUR HOMES RESIDENTIAL.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD. >> I'M ROBERT TOBLER AND I LIVE AT 83 NORWOOD, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA AND I HAVE BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE. AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE, I HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TRAVELED BACK AND FORTH TO JACKSONVILLE FOR WORK, SO, WE NEED A LOT MORE HOUSING AND A LOT MORE WORK OPPORTUNITIES IT WOULD CAN A GOOD IDEA FOR THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY FOR THE

WEST AUGUSTINE AREA. THANK YOU. >> TRAVIS, 1950 COUNTY ROAD 214. I LIVE 60 FEET AWAY FROM THE RAILROAD TRACK. SO, PROBABLY THE CLOSEST ONE. THAT LAND SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. WHY NOT GET JOBS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, AND WHEN I HEAR TRUCKS AND TRAINS AND ALL THAT. THAT JUST SOUNDS LIKE MONEY COMING INTO THE COUNTY. SO, IT'S KIND OF THOUGHT I NEEDED TO

SAY THAT. THANK YOU, GUYS. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I'M ROW LAND GARDENER, ADDRESS IS 9240 GUTLAND AVENUE.

I'M A LIFE LONG RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I'M FOR THE CHIEF PROJECT. THERE ARE HOMES AND BUILDINGS GOING UP EVERY WHERE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I'M A TRUCK DRIVER MYSELF, YOU HEARD THE GENTLEMAN SAY EARLIER, TAGS FOR TRUCKS ARE $1,200. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CREATE MORE JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COUNTY. BUILDING THIS PROJECT HERE WILL BE THE SAME THING TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE ATMOSPHERE AND WHATEVER EVERYONE'S SAYING. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND I

DEFINITELY VOTE FOR IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> CHRISTIAN MARTIN, 740 FERAL STREET AND I'M FOR THE PROJECT.

AS FAR AS THE TRUCKS GO, I'M A TRUCK DRIVER MYSELF, AND THEY HAVE A THING CALLED THE DDL SYSTEM, THERE'S REALLY NO POLLUTION COMING OUT OF THE TRUCKS, SO, JOB OPPORTUNITIES WILL BE BETTER FOR US TRUCK DRIVERS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WILLIAM FISHER, 10130 MCMAHON AVENUE. I'M FOR THIS PROJECT. MY JOB IN FLAGLER ESTATES, I'M PRESIDENT, AND WE GET APPLICATIONS EVERYDAY FOR PEOPLE LOOKING FOR WORK. WE'RE NOT IN NEED TO HIRE ANYBODY. I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO REFER THEM TO COLONEL ROY HINMAN ABOUT FINDING SOME KIND OF A JOB.

THAT'S WHAT THIS PROJECT'S GOING TO DO, IT'S GOING TO CREATE A BETTER ECONOMY AND TAKE SOME OF THE HOMELESS AND JOBLESS PEOPLE

OFF THE STREETS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. FISHER.

>> GOOD MORNING, I'M WILLIAM AMY AND I RESIDE AT 560 LEWIS POINT ROAD EXTENSION. YOU'VE HEARD ALL THE PLUSES AND MINUSES TO THE PROJECT TODAY, SO, NOTHING I COULD SAY WILL BE

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>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MARTIN MILES, 2190, TOKEWOOD TERRACE. BORN AND RAISED HERE, GREW UP ON A POTATO FARM, FAMILY STILL FARMS, LIKE A THOUSAND ACRES A A LITTLE LESS. I OWN A WELDING FABRICATING SHOP. JUDGING WHERE THIS SITE'S GOING TO GO, IT SHOULDN'T IMPACT ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU'RE BRINGING EVERYTHING IN ON A TRAIN. FOR US IT'S GOOD. BECAUSE WE COULD BUY DIRECTLY FROM THE MILL AND FOR THE SUPPLY FOR THE STORES IS GREAT. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS AT A LATER DATE. BUT, I'M ALL FOR THE PROJECT, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, AND, DEFINITELY PUTTING IN AN INTERCHANGE AT 95 TO DIVERT TRAFFIC FROM DOWNTOWN, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> I'M FRED FARMER, AND I LIVE AT 136 NORTH (INDISCERNIBLE) DRIVE, AND, I'M THIRD GENERATION RAILROAD. I RETIRED FROM CSX LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER FOR 42 YEARS. I WORKED AROUND THESE FACILITIES ALL MY LIFE. I WAS IN SOUTH FLORIDA WHEN THEY IMPLEMENTED TRI-RAIL, AND I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO OPERATE FREIGHT, AND, A COMMUTER LINE. HAS TO RUN ON TIME, SO, THEREFORE, FREIGHT, AND COMMUTER WORK TOGETHER, THE FREIGHT HAS TO WORK AT NIGHT, THE COMMUTER WORKS DURING THE DAY, DURING THE PEAK HOURS. THAT MEANS THIS FACILITY, WITH IT BEING A, COMMUTER RAIL THE INTERMODAL FACILITY WILL BE SERVICED AT NIGHT. THEY SAY THEY'RE LEAVING A 400-YARD BUFFER, THEREFORE YOU WON'T SEE IT. THE ANALOGY IS THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE COURT HOUSE FROM HERE WITH A 400 FOOT BUFFER, I CAN STAND IN MY FRONT YARD, I CAN'T SEE I-95 BUT I KNOW IT'S THERE BECAUSE I HEAR IT. THE COST TO OPERATE COMMUTER LINES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COSTS, SOUTH FLORIDA IT'S HEAVILY, HEAVILY, SUBSIDIZED, JUST LIKE AMTRAK IS, HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THE RESIDENTS OF ST. AUGUSTINE. SO, I HOPE, I HOPE THAT YOU VOTE AGAINST TRANSMITTAL, AND I HOPE THAT YOU VOTE TO END THIS

PROJECT TODAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I'M KEN MOTEL, AND I LIVE ATAD 247, NORTH PRAIRIE LAKES DRIVE WITH MY WIFE. I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THE FAIRY TALES FROM THIS PROJECT. THEY'RE SAYING THAT THIS PROJECT WILL HELP THE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA. BUT, THE TRUTH IS THE PEOPLE IN

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THINK ABOUT THAT, WOULD YOU WANT A TRAIN TO RUN BEHIND YOUR HOUSE, DAY AND NIGHT? IMAGINE BEING AWAKENED AT 1:00 A.M. OR 2:00 A.M., BY THE SOUND OF TRAINING COUPLING AND UNCOUPLING. THE PROJECT MANAGER CLAIMS TO BRING EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES TO THE AREA. MOST OF THE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT IT WILL BRING DO NOT PROVIDE SALARIES ENOUGH TO LIVE IN THAT AREA. MOST PEOPLE IN THIS AREA DO NOT NEED THIS AS THEY ARE GAINFULLY EMPLOYED OR RETIRED. THE PROJECT MANAGER SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO INSTALL A SIGNAL LIGHT ON 214 AT THE ENTRANCE OF THEIR PROJECT, THIS TELLS ME THAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO ADD A LOT MORE TRAFFIC ON 214. THIS PROJECT WILL NOT BENEFIT THE PEOPLE OF THIS AREA, BUT, DEFINITELY WILL INCREASE IN POLLUTION AND ADD TO POSSIBLE DANGEROUS ON 214 AND QUITE POSSIBLY DECREASE THE VALUE OF EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY. THE ONLY PERSONAL TOSS BENEFIT FROM THIS PROJECT ARE COLONEL HINMAN AND THE PROJECT OWNER AND HIS EMPLOYEE, THE PROJECT MANAGER.

THEREFORE, I ASK YOU TO REJECT THE REQUEST. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> I'M PAUL CROOKSACK, I'M SECOND GENERATION RAILROAD, I'VE BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE AND MY PARENTS HAD BEEN HERE ALL THEIR LIFE. BUT, IF YOU HAVE AN INTERMODAL TRAIN YARD, HOW DO YOU GET THE CARS WITHOUT HAVING A CRANE? DO THEY USE A HOIST? A DIFFERENT KIND OF A CRANE? I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST DON'T ANSWER MY QUESTIONS THERE. BECAUSE, I WORKED IN INTERMODAL YARDS FOR AWHILE. I LIVED IN JACKSONVILLE FOR 30 YEARS, I WAS A FIREMAN AND I'M QUALIFIED TO GO ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY TO WORK FOR A RAILROAD BECAUSE I'M A JOURNEYMAN. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INTERMODAL FACILITY WITHOUT A CRANE THAT'S NUTS YOU HAVE TO HAVE CRANES TO PICK THESE THINGS OFF THE CARS. THE TRAINS THAT I DON'T WANT TO LIVE UNDER A RAILROAD. AND IT'S 1200 FEET, I COULD HIT A GOLF BALL WITH A DRIVER AND A NUMBER SIX IRON AND MAKE IT THE SAME AMOUNT OF DISTANCE AS HE COULD TALKING ABOUT THE NOISE NOT BEING THERE, BULL! IT IS. IT'S JUST, HOW CAN I SAY, IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR THE AREA. WE DON'T WANT THE NOISE, THE TRACKS ARE IN THE WRONG SPOT. THE TRAILERS AND TRAINS WILL MESS UP THE TRAFFIC PERIOD.

THERE'S TOO MANY TRAFFIC DID HE WANTS ON 214, AND 207 AND HOLMES AND EVERYTHING. I SEE THEM EVERYDAY. AND EVERYDAY I GO OUT ON THE HIGHWAY, I SEE SOMEBODY ELSE DONE KNOCKED DOWN 10-12 ACRES OF LAND. THEY NEED TO CATCH UP ON BUILDING BEFORE THEY GET THIS STUFF GOING. AND THE OTHER THING IS THE CITY HIRING? IS THE COUNTY HIRING? IS GROWMAN HIRING? THEY'RE NOT SKILLED LABORERS. BUT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME IN AND HAVE CAR INSPECTORS TO INSPECT THE FREIGHT CARS BEFORE THEY LEAVE AND A LOT OF STUFF HAS NOT BEEN SAID ABOUT WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON AND HOW THINGS SHOULD BE RUN. I JUST DON'T GET IT.

IT'S A LOT OF STUFF NOT SAID AND IT'S A LOT OF MYSTERY, IF THEY WANTED TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT IS GREAT SPOT. YOU COULD PUT A PILE OF HOUSES OUT THERE, YOU COULD DO ONE-ACRE LOTS.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S ZONED FOR. I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY, BECAUSE, IT WAS ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL AND THAT'S IT. AND I'VE BEEN OUT THERE 33 YEARS. NOW, THIS GUY COMES IN AND BOUGHT IT A FEW

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NOT GOOD. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> GOOD MORNING, I'M DOUGLAS WARD AND I LIVE AT 2860 COUNTY ROAD 214 AND I'VE LIVED AT THAT HOE INDICATION SINCE 1999. I'M TOTALLY AWARE OF THE GROWTH ISSUE THAT WE HAVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND I'M AWARE OF THE DESIRE FOR COLONEL HINMAN TO GROW HIS LAND. I OPPOSE THIS PROJECT, THE PROJECT WILL NOT FIT THIS LOCATION. WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT PASSENGER'S CARS, JUST THE BIG HEAVY TRUCKS AT A 24/7 INTERVAL. 24/7 INTERVAL AT HEAVY TRUCKS. NOT JUST DURING THE BUSINESS DAY, EITHER, IT DOESN'T TAKE A HIGHLY EDUCATED PERSON TO KNOW THAT THE INCREASED TRUCK TRAFFIC WILL INCREASE THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE ROAD AT A PREMATURE RATE AS WELL. MR. WHITEHOUSE STATED IN THE PZA MEETING THAT THE TRAFFIC WILL GO EVERYWHERE, NOT SO MUCH, THE NEW BUSINESS TRAFFIC WILL GO EAST OR WEST. IF HEAVY TRUCKS GO WEST, IT WILL DRIVE THROUGH THE SLEEPY, SMALL STREET IN VERMONT HEIGHTS BEFORE 207. MAKING A LEFT TOWARDS I-95 IS DIFFICULT IN A PASSENGER TRUCK, I FEEL BAD FOR TRUCKERS TRYING TO EXIT WITH BIG TRUCKS AT 6:00 A.M. AND I WOULD ALSO FEEL EXTREMELY SORRY FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THAT COMMUNITY.

BIG TRUCKS ARE ALWAYS LINED UP TRYING TO EXIT ON THE 207 ON A DAILY BASIS, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, PLEASE IMAGINE LIVING IN VERMONT HEIGHTS WITH SEMITRUCKS LINED UP IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE AT 5:30 A.M. TRYING TO ENTER STATE ROAD 207, NOW, IF TRAFFIC GOES EAST, THEN, THE REST OF ST. AUGUSTINE GETS TO SHARE IN THE INCREASED TRUCK TRAFFIC. HOLMES IS TAPPED OUT, NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF REBUTTAL A TRAFFIC SPECIALIST WOULD VERBALIZE, BUT, THOSE THAT LIVE AND DRIVE THE ROADS KNOW, PLEASE DON'T BORE US WITH THE. MOST IMPORTANT FOR ME, IS ULTIMATELY, ALL THE WESTBOUND COUNTY ROAD TRAFFIC FLOWS IN FRONT OF MY 2.8 RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. IT'S ONE THING TO LISTEN TO PASSENGER CAR TRAFFIC, YET ANOTHER TO LISTEN TO TRUCKS. IF THIS GETS APPROVED, I'LL HEAR LOUD BRAKES. TRAFFIC STUDIES WON'T DISCUSS THOSE THINGS, THOUGH. FOR TRAFFIC REASONS ALONE, THIS PROJECT DOES NOT FIT THE LOCATION AT IT'S CURRENT STATE.

SECOND REASON, THERE ARE MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOODS NEAR THIS PROJECT AS WELL AS THE COUNTY ROAD 214 RESIDENTS, SHOULD SHOW RESIDENTIAL MAJORITY INSTEAD OF INDUSTRIAL FOR THE AREA. IN MY OPINION, THE DECISION YOU MAKE TODAY WILL DICTATE THE PRESENCE OF THIS AREA AND WILL BE THE NEW FACE OF THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE FOR THE REST OF IT'S EXISTENCE. THE REST OF IT'S

EXISTENCE. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS JOE AN MCCULL LYNN AND I LIVE OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 214. AND I'MAL LIFE LONG NA NATURE RESIDENT OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY. MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC. I'VE TRAVELED THE ROAD EVERYDAY AND I'VE SEEN THE TRAFFIC STEADILY INCREASE AND GET WORSE. AND AN INTERMODAL, A RAIL INTERMODAL FACILITY THAT HAS NO ACCESS TO A MAJOR INTERSTATE AND IS FORCED TO SEND IT'S 24/7 TRAFFIC DOWN A TWO-LANE COUNTY ROAD AND TWO-LANE COUNTY ROADS IN EITHER DIRECTION MAKES NO SENSE, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO COMMON SENSE IN IT. ME AND MY NEIGHBORS LIVE OUT IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT IS QUIET. I CAN NOT HEAR CAR TRAFFIC TRAVELING UP AND DOWN 214, BUT, I CERTAINLY CAN HEAR LARGE DUMP TRUCKS, AND SEMI-TRACTOR TRAILERS WHEN THEY GO UP AND DOWN 214. AND SO, I WOULD JUST URGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO KEEP OUR PRESENT ZONING AS NEIGHBORHOODS ARE, NEW SUBDIVISIONS ARE GOING UP AND THAT'S APPROPRIATE USE. KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL-B, DON'T LET INDUSTRIAL COME IN HERE BECAUSE MR. HINMAN NOT ONLY OWNS THIS 214 ACRES, BUT HE OWNS A LOT OF LAND THAT USED TO BE OWNED BY ITTRANIERE, WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND ME. AND I'M SURE THAT IF HE GET AS FOOTHOLD WITH THIS PIECE, HE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH THE INDUSTRIAL PLANS FOR THE REST OF THE PROPERTY HE OWNS IN

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>> THANK YOU. >> HELLO, I'M DWAYNE PEARSON AND I'VE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE. I'M ALL ABOUT MAKING MONEY. I THINK THAT EVERYONE IS, BUT, WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS, YOU COULD DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. I KNOW THAT YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND YOU WANT A RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT. BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S THE WRONG FIT. EVERYONE THAT'S OUT THERE NOW, THEY PLAN ON STAYING THERE UNTIL THEY PRETTY MUCH DIE, I MEAN, THE THING IS WOULD YOU WANT TO GO. IT'S THE WRONG FIT

AND JUST SAY NO. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> HI, I'M PEGGY EDENFIELD AND I LIVE AT 2531 DEERWOOD ACRES DRIVE AND I OPPOSE THE WHOLE SITUATION. NOBODY HAS ONCE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE WILDLIFE. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? I MEAN, JUST GETS ME FRUSTRATED THINKING ABOUT ALL THE ANIMALS. LIKE THE INDIANS, WE RUN THEM OFF, TOOK THEY ARE LAND. NO. I OPPOSE IT. THIS IS NOT RIGHT FOR US. NOT WHEN WE'VE BEEN THERE, JUST ABOUT ALL OF OUR LIVES. AND HOW NICE AND QUIET AND GOOD NEIGHBORS AND ALL TO HAVE TO HEAR THAT NOISE AND I WILL BE RIGHT IN BACK OF IT. WHERE THEY PROPOSED THE BUFFER TO BE, WE'LL BE RIGHT ON IT. AND I, YOU KNOW, WON'T BE ABLE TO GET UP IN THE MORNING AND HAVE COFFEE ON YOUR BACK PORCH AND, SEE THE SQUIRRELS AND THE BIRDS AND EVERYTHING COME FEEDING IN THE EAGLES JUST ALL KINDS OF WILDLIFE, EVEN DEER, THAT COME.

I PRAY, I HOPE THAT I CAN SAY THAT WITHOUT GOING TO JAIL, BUT, I REALLY DO PRAY THAT GOD WILL CHANGE Y'ALL'S HEARTS IF ANY OF YOU ARE WANTING TO VOTE, YES, ON IT, BECAUSE, PLEASE, GOD, LET IT BE NO. THANK YOU. Y'ALL ARE ALL VERY NICE PEOPLE. I WAS SCARED AT FIRST. [LAUGHTER]

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> SIR, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR

THE RECORD? >> LARRY BASSET, 4162 VERMONT BOULEVARD. AND, THEY CAME HERE AND TRIED TO PAINT A PRETTY PICTURE, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. I WAS ON OPERATOR FOR OVER 15 YEARS, I DROVE LONG DISTANCE AND DELIVERED ALL OF THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES IN 48 STATES AND CANADA, AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THEY WAS TALKING ABOUT 2200 TRUCKS AND THEN THERE'S SCALE TING DOWN TO MAKE IT SOUND REALLY NICE, BUT, THAT IS LIKE 1.5 TRUCKS PER MINUTE PER DAY. AND, THAT'S 15,400 TRUCKS A WEEK. 800,800 TRUCKS A YEAR ON 214. WHEN I LOADED OUT, I GROSSED 80,000 POUNDS. EACH TIME THESE TRUCKS GO IN AND OUT, IT'S POSSIBLE THEY'RE GROSSING THE SAME AMOUNT, 2200 TRUCKS, YOU'RE TALKING 176 MILLION POUNDS EVERYDAY. 1,000,000,232 MILLION POUNDS A WEEK. 64,000,000,064 MILLION POUNDS A YEAR. THAT'S DEVASTATING TO COUNTY ROAD 214. IT WILL DESTROY IT. SEMITRAILERS AND TRUCKS ARE RUNNING 65-FEET. AND AS HE POINTED OUT, THE TURNING LANES ON 214, THAT WASN'T EVEN A PICTURE OF 214. WHEN YOU TURN, GOING WEST, I MEAN EAST, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE MOST OF THESE ENTRANCES TO THESE HOUSES

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NOT THE RIGHT PLACE. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, I AM KEVIN JAY KELLY, U.S. ARMY MASTER SERGEANT, RETIRED, AND, A DISABLED VETERAN. AND I WAS THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT IN MILITARY LOAD FOR 10 YEARS, THE COMP PLAN CHIEF IS WRONG FOR REASONS IDENTIFIED. NO FEC RAILROAD OR JFK SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF THE CHIEF PROGRAM ARE ATTENDING. I-95 CLOSURE, KUSHTLY ON 214 OVERPASS TO REPAIR DAMAGE TO THE 214 COUNTY ROAD CAUSING 214 OVERPASS TO BE ONE LANE ON THE OVERPASS OVER I-95. THIS DIRECTLY IMPACTS CR 214, ALLEN EAST ROAD AND HOLMES BOULEVARD. THIS WOULD AFFECT TRANSPORTATION SCHEDULES OF ANY KIND. WHAT ABOUT SCHOOL DAY TRAFFIC? WHICH DIRECTLY AFFECTS ALL TRAFFIC ON CR 214, ALLEN EAST ROAD AND HOLMES BOULEVARD. SR 15 IS STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND HAS BEEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THIS IS THE SR 16 AND I-95 INTERSECTION. THE ROAD JOINS VERMONT BOULEVARD WITHOUT ANY INTERSECTION AT ALL. AND YOU CAN NOT GET OUT ON 207 WITH THOSE TRUCKS OR IN TO THE ROAD ON THOSE TRUCKS WITHOUT A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION AT THE PLANNING MEETING THIS MONTH, WERE THE COUNTY AND RESIDENTS BEING THREATENED WITH A SUBDIVISION IF NOT AN INTERMODAL FACILITY? HOW WOULD THE TRAFFIC BE HANDLED IF EITHER PROJECT IS APPROVED. BOTH PROPOSALS HAVE SAFETY TRAFFIC AS WELL AS ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. THERE'LL BE WAY TOO MUCH TRAFFIC NOISE, INFRASTRUCTURE, LIGHTING AT NIGHT AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. THE ABILITY TO FIND JOBS IN SAYING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, THE PLANNERS MUST GAIN APPROVAL BY YOU, THE COMMISSIONERS. THE SITE PITCHES PROVIDED BY MR. WHITEHOUSE ARE NOT ACCURATE AS DR. HALLSENBACK DESCRIBED. I REST MY CASE. AS FAR AS NO ACCESS TO THE RAIL HEAD AND THE INTERSTATE, THE CR 206 AND I-95 INTERSECTION IS A WAY BETTER PLACE, IF ANYWHERE, THAN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS. I RESPECTFULLY

ASK THAT YOU DENY THIS PROJECT. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> CHAIR: MADAM VICE CHAIR, LET ME JUMP IN. BY SHOW OF HANDS, WHO ELSE INTENDS TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM SO THAT WE HAVE TWO MORE.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION TO THE BOARD, BECAUSE, WE HAVE NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT SCHEDULED FOR 11:30. I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE HEAR THE FIVE MORE SPEAKERS AND THEN WE GO INTO NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THAT, CAN WE GET CONSENSUS ON THAT. SO WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FIVE MORE SPEAKERS AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY.

>> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?

>> I'M TOD KELLY AND I'M AT IT 05, ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH DRIVE.

I WAS RAISED IN ST. AUGUSTINE. I LOVE ST. AUGUSTINE, PLAN ON

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THAT YOU'RE DOING. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, I'M ZACH VILLA VERDE. I'M INTIMATELY FAMILIAR HOW RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND SUPER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS CAN IMPACT THE ROADS. I GREW UP HERE. I WENT TO SCHOOL HERE, I GRADUATED FROM IT BARTRUM TRAIL.

I'M BACK AND I WANTED TO COME BACK BECAUSE I LOVE THIS COUNTY.

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WORK IN THIS COUNTY TO ATTRACT THE TALENT THAT WE NEED. THERE'S A PHENOMENON OF A BRAIN TRAIN.

LET ME POSE A QUESTION TO YOU, WE HAVE THE BEST SCHOOLS IN THE STATE, WE'RE THE NUMBER ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHY ARE WE EXPORTING OUR PEOPLE SOMEWHERE ELSE. THE TAX MONEY WE INVEST IN STUDENTS WILL CREATE WEALTH AND VALUE FOR OTHER PEOPLE, NOT FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THERE'S ALREADY AN APPROVED AND PERMITTED SET OF UNITS TO THE WEST OF 214 WHICH IS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN IN A FEW YEARS WITH THOUSANDS OF NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. ARE WE GOING TO TAKE ALL THE COMING IN, AND SARDINE CAN THEM INTO OVER BLOATED SCHOOL OR CEBID THEM OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY OR THE STATE? THAT IS A BURDEN ON TAX PAYERS THAT WE HAVE NO CURRENT SOLUTION FOR. THOSE TAX PAYERS ARE OLD, YOUNG, RETIRED, NOT RETIRED, MOST OF THEM DRIVE ON THE ROADS, SOME OF THEM DON'T DRIVE ON THE ROADS, BUT, IT AFFECTS EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT PAYS A CENT TO THE COUNTY. I HOPE THAT YOU DECIDE TO BRING SKILLED WORK INTO THIS COUNTY TO ATTRACT THE GROUP OF KILLED MEN AND WOMEN TO HELP REINVEST INTO THAT TAX BASE AND SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND IF YOU DON'T DO IT NOW, WHEN WILL YOU

DO IT? >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. >> HI, I'M STACY CROOKSHANK AND I LIVE AT 2243 DEERWOOD ACRES DRIVE. I HAVE A VIDEO THAT I HAVE HAD APPROVED TO SHOW FOR A MINUTE AND-A-HALF, I ASK THAT EVERYBODY SIT AROUND AND LISTEN TO IT AND UNDERSTAND OUR CONCERN. OKAY. HOW DO I WORK THIS THING?

>> . (ENVIRONMENTAL NOISES)

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>> (CONSTRUCTION NOISES)

>> (TRUCKER NOISES)

>> THAT'S ONE TRACK, NOT VERY GOOD VOLUME, AND, UM,

(INDISCERNIBLE) (INAUDIBLE) >> THE MIC PLEASE.

>> SORRY. I THOUGHT I TALKED LOUD ENOUGH. AND ALSO, PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T ALLOWED TO MAKE IT, BUT, SIGNED OUR PETITION, AND ARE OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT GOES ON AND ON AND ON. (INAUDIBLE)

>> A (INAUDIBLE) >> THIS IS INCOMPATIBLE, AND

UNACCEPTABLE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY, I'M MARCUS WILLIAMS, 200 PARK AVENUE IN HASTINGS, FLORIDA, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS TWO PROBLEMS THAT I THINK EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF. ONE IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROBLEM AND TWO IS AN OVER DEVELOPMENT PROBLEM. SO, I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE MORE JOBS BEING CREATED BY THIS PROJECT THAN I WOULD WANTS TO MORE DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE IT'S NEEDED FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE ALREADY,

SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> GOOD MORNING, BETH TATE, 441, EAST CASTLY LANE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I'VE SPENT HOURS STRUTING THIS PROJECT AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. SO, I HAVE A FEW POINT THAT I WANT TO RAISE AS YOU'RE MAKING YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS MORNING. THE ADDITIONAL JOBS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WE NEED THEM, WE NEED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. ANYTIME WE TALK ABOUT CREATING THESE NEW JOBS, MOST OF THEM BEING IN THE HOUSE RANGE, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY WILL LIVE. BECAUSE WE HAVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROBLEM, WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE PEOPLE WILL LIVE. LATER TODAY, YOU'LL HEAR THE TRANSPORTATION CREATING PROJECTS AND I THOUGHT IT WAS FASCINATIN LIST IS A STUDY FOR AN INTERMODAL FACILITY AND A STUDY FOR THE COMMUTER RAIL, HOW DOES IT TIE TOGETHER WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON HERE? I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THAT. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I THINK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IS HOW IT ALL COMES TOGETHER. I WAS FASCINATED TO LEARN THAT FLORIDA HAS A STRATEGIC INTERMODAL SYSTEM ALREADY. HOW DOES THIS FIT IN WITH THAT? HOW DOES IT FIT IN WITH THE LARGER COUNTY PLANS, THING ABOUT THOSE AS YOU MAKE YOUR CONSIDERATIONS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> WELCOME.

>> I'M SAMANTHA CHAMBERS, I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED PROJECT. I DID NOT COME HERE INTENDING TO SPEAK, BUT, AFTER HEARING SOME THOUGHTS, I'M FOR THIS PROJECT AND I BELIEVE IT WILL HELP CREATE DESCENT JOBS FOR THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO WORK IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY. AS MENTIONED ALREADY, THIS TOWN IS SERVICE-INDUSTRY DRIVEN. I HAVE MANY FRIENDS WHO WORK IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY AND WANT OUT AND CANNOT FIND DESCENT JOB IN THIS TOWN. THE CREATION OF JOBS WILL IMPROVE THE LIVING SITUATION FOR MANY FAMILIES IN THIS TOWN. THERE'S TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND TRUCKS, BUT, THERE'S ALREADY TRAFFIC AND TRUCKS IN ST. AUGUSTINE AND THE 214 AREA.

IT WILL ONLY INCREASE WITH RESIDENTIAL. IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE THAT PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE CHANGE BUT THE COUNTY IS CHANGING AS A WHOLE AROUND US. WE NEED TO EMBRACE THE CHANGE AND THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTY AND I'M FOR THE CHIEF

PROMISE. >> I'M HOWARD MCGAFFNEY AND I LIVE AT 262 (INDISCERNIBLE) I DON'T OWN 214 ACRES, I'M NOT JEALOUS OF IT EITHER, BUT, I BELIEVE IT'S

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THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. ON MARCH 10TH, 2010, SPEAKER PELOSI SAID ON NATIONAL TELEVISION, WE HAVE TO PASS THE BILL TO FIND OUT WHAT'S ON IT. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND REZONING AMENDMENT WAS ACTUALLY NOTICED ON 12/20/22 IT SAID THE FOLLOWING THE INTENT OF APPLICANT IS TO CONSTRUCT WAREHOUSING AND INTERMODAL FACILITY AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.

IT SAYS, TO PRESERVE MULL TREE CREEK BUFFER THE PROPERTY TO CREATE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, AND THE LAST PART, MITIGATES NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS IMPACTS. IT IS KNOWN TO ME AND OTHERS WHAT THE LAST PART OF THAT SENTENCE MEANS, FOR CERTAIN, WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT MITIGATE SOMETHING MUST BE DONE REGARDING NEARBY PROPERTY OWNER'S CONCERNS OR IMPACTS.

WHAT'S DONE TO MITIGATE THAT? I'VE HEARD THINGS ABOUT THE WALL AND THE MOUND, AND THOSE ARE ACCEPTABLE PRACTICES AND DEVELOPMENT, WE UNDERSTAND THOSE. I KNOW MANY OF THE RESIDENTS IN THIS ROOM TODAY, INCLUDING OUR LEADERSHIP, AND, THE STAFF AND ATTORNEYS AND THE DEVELOPERS REPRESENTATIVES, I KNOW A FEW OF THEM. AND I WOULD BE A HYPOCRITE TO STAND HERE AND SAY I'M AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I MAKE A LIVING REPRESENTING SOME OF THEM AND WORKING IN THE COMMUNITY AND DISTRICTS. BUT, PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID, GREAT IDEA, WRONG LOCATION. MAY BE IF I DIDN'T LIVE THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD BE HERE SPEAKING ABOUT IT. BUT, I DO. AND THE REASON I BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY IS BECAUSE IT WAS ZONED A CERTAIN WAY.

NOW, I BELIEVE CHANGE IS COMING TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED JOBS AND I APPLAUD THE EFFORT FOR JOBS. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE COUNTY'S JOB TO CREATE JOBS. I THINK IT'S THE COUNTY'S POSITION TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COUNTY TO THRIVE, AND PROTECT AND SERVE THE COMMUNITY. I APLOWED THE COLONEL FOR THE PLAN, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN, IT PERHAPS MAY GO THROUGH, AND I'M NOT GOING TO STAND UP HERE AND OBJECT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ME GET ALL BENT OUT OF SHAPE AND MOVE OUT OF THE COUNTY. BUT, I MOVED HERE FOR A WILL BE AND I MOVED INTO THAT AREA FOR A REASON AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL

CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MR. SLAVEN. >> GOOD MORNING, HAPPY NEW YEAR, ED SLAVEN, ED SLAVEN.COM. WELCOME THE NEW COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH FOR HER INCISIVE QUESTIONS THAT WE DIDN'T GET ANSWERS TO. FASTER THAN A SPEEDING DUMP TRUCK WHAT WE KNOW AND LOVE ABOUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS BEING DESTROYED BY GREED AND THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF IT. AND THE COUNTY STAFF HAS REMAINED SILENT. THE COUNTY STAFF DIDN'T MAKE A PRESENTATION TO Y'ALL, THE VOTE WAS IT 2-2 IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING, THAT'S A DENIAL. OF COURSE, THEY ALWAYS CALL IT A TECHNICAL DENIAL, BUT IT'S A DENIAL AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS. WHY WEREN'T ANY OF THE WITNESSES SWORN IN AT THIS HEARING? THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING AND I'M MYSTIFIED MR. CHAIRMAN AS TO WHY NONE OF THE WITNESSES WERE SWORN IN. I THINK THAT MAKES THE ENTIRE PROCESS HERE WRONG. I WOULD BE WILLING TO BE SWORN. I SWEAR THIS IS THE DUMBEST IDEA THAT I'VE EVER HEARD, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND IT'S IN THE WRONG PLACE. IT'S NOT BACKED BY EXPERT WITNESSES. NONE OF THEIR EXPERTS WERE SWORN IN. WE DON'T HAVE A COUNTY ECONOMIST OR ANYBODY WITH THE COUNTY ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT TO TESTIFY ABOUT THESE ISSUES. THIS IS NOT READY FOR PRIMETIME OR DEVELOPMENT. AND LOOK AT THE TIMELINE, FOLKS. 11 DAYS AGO, THE PLANNING AND ZONING CONSIDERED THIS AND VOTED IT DOWN 2-2. WHY ARE WE HERE? WHY ARE THESE PROJECTS ALWAYS PUT ON THE COUNTY COMMISSION AGENDA BEFORE PEOPLE CAN CONSIDER THEM FOR A FOUR-HOUR HEARING? THERE'S NO COURT REPORTER TRANSCRIPT EVEN REQUIRED? WE'RE RUSHING TO DESTROY WHAT WE KNOW AND LOVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FASTER THAN A SPEEDING DUMP TRUCK. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ON THE RECORD, DR. HINMAN STATE WHO ARE ALL THE INVESTORS, THE BENEFICIAL OWNERS AND INVESTORS IN THE PROJECT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE PROJECT. UNDER 112313 HOW WITH WE CONSIDER WHETHER ANY OF THE COUNT COMMISSIONER HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ACTUAL INVESTORS ARE. I WANT A LIST OF INVESTORS ON EVERY SINGLE PROJECT, THAT'S NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK. AND COLONEL TURNER

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[Public Comment Time Certain from 11:30 AM – 12:00 PM]

>> THANK YOU, MR. SLAVEN. >> CHAIR: IF THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT, MADAM VICE CHAIR, TAKE US INTO NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL HERE THAT AT 12:15 TAKE A BREAK FOR LUNCH AND COME BACK AT 12:45 TO RESUME THE AGENDA.

>> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS, EACH PERSON IS PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM. COMMENTS ADDRESSED TO THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD. NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL INPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS BEHAVIOR. FINALLY, I WOULD ASK THAT ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO THE STAFF TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD THANK YOU.

>> I'M ANNA QUINONES. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ONGOING FLOODING WHICH IS HAPPENING IN MARSH LANDING, BUT, FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD AND THE COMMISSIONERS FOR VOTING 5-0 TO BRING IN THE OUTSIDE ENGINEER TO INVESTIGATE.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HE IS SOMEWHERE NEARING THE COMPLETION OF HIS REPORT. SO, THE FIRST PICTURE THAT I'M SHOWING IS A STREET THAT'S BASICALLY IMPASSABLE, AND THIS IS IN A SECTION WHICH IS NOT BEING INVESTIGATED RIGHT NOW. SO, WHEN MARSH LANDING, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER BRING THE SYSTEM BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY OR THEY CAN REPERMIT IT AND BRING IT INTO CURRENT STANDARDS. THEY CHOOSE TO BRING IT INTO CURRENT STANDARDS WITH THE NEW PERMIT. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE IS MARSH LANDING, IS GOVERNED BY THE '78 ORDINANCE WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO US THAT CLEARLY SAYS THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SUBJECT TO

FLOODING AFTER THE -- >> CHAIR: I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, FOLKS, IF YOU ARE HAVING CONVERSATIONS, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU TAKE THEM TO THE LOBBY, WE REALLY WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE SPEAKERS UP HERE ARE SAYING. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST TO MOVE THE CONVERSATIONS OUT TO THE LOBBY. THANK YOU.

>> SO, THE 78 ORDINANCE WHICH GOVERNS US SAYS THAT THE COMMUNITY SHOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO FLOODING AFTER IT'S DEVELOPMENT. BUT WE'RE BEING SUBJECT TO FLOODING AND IT'S WIDESPREAD AND ON GOING. THE LAST COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OF YOU GUY, AFTER THE ENGINEER'S REPORT COMES OUT I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE SENT TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED WHICH WOULD BE THE MASTER ASSOCIATION, THE GOLF COURSE OWNER THE HOA 1 BOARD AND HOA 2 BOARD. THAT'S IMPORTNT THAT THEY GET THAT. THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT YOU ALL IMPOSE DEADLINES FOR ANY WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND, UM, ANY, IF THAT, THE DEADLINES ARE NOT MET, THEN YOU IMPOSE FINES AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER NEEDS TO HAPPEN. IN THE PAST, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS, MARSH LANDING, HAS GOTTEN LETTERS TO FIX THINGS AND NOTHING EVER GETS FIXED AND THIS HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR FIVE YEARS SO, I WOULD ASK THAT DEADLINES ARE IMPOSED. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>>> HI, I'M ELIZABETH POTTER, PART OF THE ELECTION INTEGRITY MOVEMENT. MY ADDRESS IS WRITTEN ON THE PAPER OUTSIDE. I'M GOING TO POINT OUT FACTS AND YOU CAN READ THE REST IN YOUR PACKET THAT WAS HANDED TO YOU. THIS IS FOR THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IN TALLAHASSEE, I WAS SICK FOR THE DELEGATION MEETING HERE. I'M ASKING Y'ALL TO TAKE ACTION ON THESE ITEMS LISTED. YOU TOOK AN

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FS 98.045 C IS THE ONLY TEXT THAT LINKS VOTE BY MAIL WITH ABSENTEE BALLOT AND DOES NOT DESIGN A MAIL-IN BALLOT AS REQUESTED ABSENTEE BALLOT. A STATUTORY DEFINITION WOULD PREVENT ANY FUTURE LEGISLATOR OF STATE OF OF VALID ATING THE MASS MAILINGS OF BALLOTS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE ELECTIONS IN OTHER STATES. SURPRISINGLY, THERE'S NO DEFINITION IN FLORIDA STATUTES OF WHO IS AN ELIGIBLE VOTER, ALTHOUGH, THERE ARE MANY REFERENCE TOSS INELIGIBLE VOTERS, A STATUTORY DEFINITION OF ELIGIBLE VOTER WOULD PRECLUDE ANY MISCHIEVOUS LAWSUITS THAT MIGHT PROCLAM ANY PERSON DESCRIBED AS INELIGIBLE. PLEASE READ THE PACKET OF INFORMATION ON ERIC, PRE-ELECTION TESTING, AND ELECTION NIGHT REPORTING AND ALL THE SECURITY HOLES THAT NEED TO BE FIXED FOR THE TALLAHASSEE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

>> I'M RHONDA BRENNAN AT 303 ANASTASIA BOULEVARD. I'M HERE TO REMIND YOU ALL OF THE OATH OF OFFICE THAT YOU TOOK AND THE OATH THAT I HAVE IN MY HAND IS FROM SARAH ARNOLD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION. IN THAT OATH, YOU ARE TO PROTECT CITIZENS AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. THERE'S AN AFFIDAVIT AND FACTS RIGHT NOW OF WHAT IS IN THE VACCINE TO PROVE THOUGHT U.S. GOVERNMENT BROKE THE GENEVA CONVENTION. NO MILITARY CAN TAKE A BIOWEAPON AND USE IT AGAINST IT'S OWN PEOPLE THAT CAUSE DEATH. THE VACCINE SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM ALL SHELVES. AT THIS POINT TO NOT SPEAK UP, YOU AS LEADERS ARE COMPLACENT WHICH MAKES YOU CULPABLE FOR ALLOWING THE DOMESTIC ENEMY TO CONTINUE MASS GENOCIDE ON IT'S ON PEOPLE.

TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE IS DERELICTION OF DUTY. ED DOWD AN EX BLACK ROCK MANAGER AND AUTHOR OF "CAUSE UNKNOWN" FORMER WALL STREET ANALYST TO INSURANCE COMPANIES, GROUP LIFE DATA AND FUNERAL HOME FUNERALS DATA. HE NOTED THAT GROUP LIFE IS SEEING CONSIDERABLE LOSSES IN FUNERAL HOMES AND CONSIDERABLE LOSSES BU THE FUNERAL HOMES ARE ON THE RISE. JANUARY 3RD ARE, 2022, INSURANCE CEO SCOTT DAVIDSON NOTICED THE BOOK OF HIS BUSINESS WAS SEEING A 40% EXCESS MORTALITY IN YOUNG, WORK AGED ADULTS. MARCH OF 2022, ED DOWD ANALYZED THE C.D.C. DATA. HE BROKE DOWN BY AGES 25-44 MILLENNIALS OF 2022, THERE'S AN 84% RISE IN MORTALITY. WE HAVE MORE LOSS MILLENNIALS IN THE LAST THREE YEARS THAN THE ENTIRE VIETNAM WAR. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE DISABLED CIVILIAN RATE AT 6.6%. THE EMPLOYED RATE WENT UP TO

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SO, THE PEOPLE THAT COME OVER THE BORDER ARE GETTING TRAFFICKED, THEY'RE HOLDING CHILDREN AND THROWING THEM IN FIELD TO GET OVER THE BORDER. I NEED YOU GUYS TO DO YOUR JOB AND HELP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> YOUR WELCOME.

>> SIR? >> I'M DAVID WILLIAMSON AND I'M A PASTOR AT GRACE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH AND I'M STANDING HERE TODAY TO URGE YOU TO APPROVAL THE PROPOSAL FOR A

HOUSING AUTHORITY. >> THAT'S A REGULAR AGENDA

ITEM. >> SO, THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE?

>> THIS IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> MY APOLOGIES. >> I'M BENJAMIN BRANDOW AT 62 ALEAD DA STREET. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND I WANT TO THANK THE CITIZEN THAT IS VOTE BECAUSE THIS IS AS MUCH FOR YOU AS IT IS FOR OUR BOARD. I WANT TO BRING UP A PRIORITY THAT'S MOST LIKE LIE NOT ON THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION.

I'M PROPOSING THE ACQUISITION OF LANDS TO NOT ONLY SAVE YOUR WETLANDS AS WE DEVELOP BUT ALSO TO BUILD THEM TO GO OUT AND RECLAIM UNUSED LANDS AND BUILD THEM. NOT ONLY CAN ST.

AUGUSTINE BE THE OLDEST CITY IN THE NATION, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE THE WORLD'S FIRST SEA LEVEL RISE CITY. THIS CITY WILL BE THE CITY UNDER THE SEE IF WE DON'T TAKE HEROIC ACTIONS FOR CLIMATE CHANGE. I WANT YOU TO START YOUR LEGACY NOW AND START TO PLAN FOR SEA LEVEL RISE. I'M A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT ON THE FIRST COAST I'M A PROFESSIONAL KAYAK GUIDE AND ENVIRONMENTALIST, AND ON THE THOUSANDS OF TOURS THAT I GIVE I'M WITNESSING THE DISAPPEARANCE OF BIRDS, FISH, OYSTERS, OUR CLEAN WATER'S DISAPPEARING AND OUR PLANTS ARE DISAPPEARING AND OUR PEACEFUL PLACE ARE VANISHING. I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TODAY TO TRY AND CONVINCE YOU HAVE MUCH. MY APPLICATION TO VOLUNTEER ON A COMMITTEE WAS SUBMITTED LAST YEAR, IF ANYTHING OPENS UP, PLEASE GIVE ME A CALL. TO SAVE OUR CITY AND OUR CLIMATE, WE MUST PRESERVE AND BRING BACK TO THE PRECIOUS LITTLE WETLANDS OUR WORLD HAS LEFT. MY INDUSTRY RELIES ON EYOND ECO-TOURISM, THE ENVIRONMENT WHICH CREATES AND SUSTAINS LIFE RELIES ON IT. FURTHER DESTRUCTION OF OUR WETLANDS IS TANTAMOUNT TO. WE NEED TO PRESERVE AND BUILD WETLANDS, PLEASE ACQUIRE ALL THE RETIRED FARM LANDS AND DSTOP POLLUTION FROM REACHING OUR RIVERS AND SEAS. WE ALSO NEED PERMISSION TO ACQUIRE SUBMERGED LANDS OFF OF OUR BEACHES AND ALONG OUR WATERWAYS TO BUILD NEW AND RESTORED WATERWAYS AND NATURAL REEFS SO THAT ST. AUGUSTINE CAN BE A SHINING CITY IN THE SEA INSTEAD OF ONE UNDER THE SEA.

JUST AS THE U.S. MILITARY IS DOING TO PROTECT OUR BASES AROUND THE WORLD. THIS HAS BEEN USED TORE DECADES TO PROTECT FRAGILE ECOSYSTEMS ON A SMALL SCALE ON A LARGE SCALE, RESEARCH INDICATING IF WE START NOW, ST. AUGUSTINE COULD BE SURROUND BY A CRYSTAL LAGOON, IT WILL BRING BACK FISH STOCKS AND WITH EVERY PASSING TIDE, OUR BEACHING WILL BE RESTORED AND RISE TO SEA

LEVEL. >> MY NAME IS RICHARD NORWOOD AND I'M A RETIRED ACCOUNTANT AND FRAUD AUDITOR. I'M 76 NOW, HANDICAPPED, LIVING AT 3460 OLD MOLTY ROAD ALONE. I'M HERE ON A MULTI-LEVEL MISSION, I GUESS. I'M DISTRESSED THAT I CAN'T FIND ANYONE IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO TAKE FRAUD SERIOUSLY AMONG YOURSELVES. AN

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JUST SET THEM DOWN LIKE SO? >> FLIP IT OVER.

>> UPSIDEDOWN. OKAY. THERE'S A (INDISCERNIBLE) IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. I WAS VERY PROTECTIVE OF THAT, I WANTED TO KNOW BEFORE SIGNING THE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT, HOW FAR UNON MY LAND YOU WOULD BE GOING.

AFTER TWO MEETINGS, THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER CAME OUT AND ASKED ME IF I WOULD LIKE IT STAKED. HE STAKED OUT MY PROPERTY LINE WITHIN THAT CORPSE INDICATING THE LIMITS OF PENETRATION BETH AND SMITH WOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO. HOWEVER, A MONTH LATER, I WOKE UP TO FIND THIS. A COMPLETELY STRIPPED OUT (INDISCERNIBLE) AND A TWO-FOOT SHELF THAT I HAD PRESERVED FOR EASY MAINTENANCE, GONE. THE FRAUD OCCURRED WHEN MR. MASHBURN FAILED TO CONVEY THE MODIFICATIONS WE HAD ORALLY, VISIBLY AND WITNESSED MADE TO THE TCE LIMITS ON THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY. THEREFORE, BETH AND SMITH TOLD ME, FACE-TO-FACE, THEY ONLY DID WHAT THE BLUEPRINTS SHOWED.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS MARILYN MCABEE, I LIVE AT 2700 DEER TRACE DRIVE IN THE MARSH LANDING SUBDIVISION, WHERE I'VE LIVED SINCE MY RETIREMENT, 20 YEARS AGO. MY PROPERTY FLOODS DUE TO MARSH LANDING NOT HAVING DRAINAGE ON THE ROADS. ALL OF THE WATER FROM THE ROAD ENDS UP ON MY PROPERTY AND ENDS UP FLOODING HOME. I FELL TWICE ON MY DRIVEWAY JUST TRYING TO GET THE MAIL. MY WHOLE PROPERTY IS FULL OF WATER WHEN IT RAINS HEAVILY. AND WHEN I FELL, I COULD NOT GET BACK UP. I HAD TO CRAWL ON MY REAREND INTO THE HOUSE AND CALL FOR HELP. THE PONDS BEHIND MY HOME WERE NOT BUILT CORRECTLY, AND THE BERMS AROUND THEM ARE TOO LOW WHICH ALLOWS THE POND WATER TO OVERFLOW AND FLOODS IT. BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE POND WATER SANDWICHES MY HOME IN BETWEEN AND THAT'S A RECIPE FOR DESTRUCTION THE THE BERMS ALONG THE INTERCOASTAL THAT PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY ARE MISSING AND WERE NOT BUILT CORRECTLY WHEN THE SUBDIVISION WAS CREATED. WITHOUT THE BERMS OUR COMMUNITY IS AT RISK FOR FLOODING. MY HOME HAS BEEN FLOODED WITH MATTHEW, IRMA, IAN AND NOW NICOLE. WE'RE ASKING THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO BE SURE THAT THE ISSUES WITH THE STORM WATER SYSTEM ARE REVOLVED QUICKLY AND BY MARSH LANDING. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT CAN TAKE ANOTHER HURRICANE SEASON. APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE ACTION. THANK YOU,

VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> I'M BRIAN SMITH AND I LIVE AT 24778 DEER TRACE, I'M ONE OF MARILYN'S NEIGHBORS. AND THE FLOODING HAS GOTTEN WORSE IN THAT AREA AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE AVOIDED, IT WILL TAKE WORK AND EFFORT TO DO IT, BUT, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE HOA, P TO MOVE TO DO THIS. AND, SO FAR, THEY'RE NOT DOING IT. SO, WHEN WE GET A KING TIDE OR A STORM OR OF ANY TYPE, IT COULD

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AFTER WE FILED THE SUIT, THEY CLOSED OFF THE ISOLATION VOLUME OF, WHICH IS THE ONE VALVE THAT CONNECTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ANY HELP THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. THE LAST STORM, IAN, WE HAD WATER OVER THE STREET. I WAS OUT AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE SURE THAT THE PUMP WAS ON, WHICH WE HAVE TO DO, WE HAVE TO MANUALLY WALK OUT AND TAKE TURNS TO BE SURE THAT THE PUMP WAS ON. I WAS OUT THERE AND ONE OF THE ELECTRICAL LINEMEN TOLD ME THAT I WAS STANDING IN RAW SEWAGE UP TO MY KNEE. SO, WE HAVE ELECTRICAL ISSUES, SEWAGE ISSUES, I WAS TOLD FROM THE LINEMEN THAT I WAS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO GET THEM OUT THERE AND THE COUNTY IS PAYING THEM. ANY HELP THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE TO JUST MOVE IT ON IT'S WAY AND HELP US OUT AND PUT THIS BEHIND US, WE APPRECIATE

IT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MA'AM. >> HELLO. I'M JENMY SMITH AND I'M AT 24778 DEER TRACE DRIVE, I'VE LIVED IN MARSH LANDING FOR 20 YEARS AND IN THAT TIME, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY MAINTENANCE OF ANY OF THE PONDS THE FLOODING HAS GOTTEN WORSE, I'VE SEEN DIRT COME IN AND SEEN WORK BEING DONE ALONG THE BRIDGES THAT USED TO BE OPENND A NOW THE WATER'S NOT FLOWING THROUGH THAT PROPERLY.

IT'S A SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS A SYSTEM, SO, IF YOU JUST THINK OF ALL THE VARIABLES INVOLVED IN THAT, IT'S NOT JUST A STORM, WE'VE GOT PUMPS THAT DON'T WORK. WE HAVE, THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE WITHOUT PERMITS. AND, WHEN YOU THINK OF THIS, I MEAN, I'M A MOM. WE HAVE THIS STORM COME IN, AND, WE KNOW IT'S ON IT'S WAY, AND SO, I HAVE TO TAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF MY GARAGE THAT I REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE RUINED, AND THEN, MY POOL FILLS UP WITH WATER, THEN I'VE GOT THE RAW SEWAGE ISSUE. I CAN'T JUST GO CHECK MY NEIGHBORS, SAYING, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW? I'M NOT GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND WALK IN A BUNCH OF SEWAGE AND IT'S A LOT OF PREPARATION, STRESS, AND DAMAGE. I CONTINUALLY LOSE MY PLANTS IN MY YARD. AND, THE KIDS CAN'T GO OUTSIDE, MY DOGS CAN'T JUST GO AND DO THEIR BUSINESS IT'S VERY DISRUPTIVE, PLUS, WHEN THE TIDES GO IN AND OUT AND WITH THE TIDES COMING UP, AND THEY THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO STORE WATER ON OUR PROPERTY, WHY DO YOU THINK THEY WANT THE RIGHT TO STORE WATER ON OUR PROPERTY? IT'S BECAUSE THE SYSTEM ISN'T BUILT RIGHT TO BEGIN WITH. IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS AT THIS POINT. WHEN WE TRIED TO BE RATIONAL AND EXPLAIN WHAT WAS WORKING AND WHAT WASN'T WORKING AND TRIED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION TO GET THEM TO FIX IT, THEY WOULDN'T DO IT. AND THEY LIE CONTINUALLY IN NEWS LETTERS AND THAT'S ANOTHER DISRUPTION FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO LOOK AT US AND THINK THAT WE'RE JUST, UM, LOOKING FOR MONEY, OR, LOOKING FOR ATTENTION. OR I DON'T KNOW, WHOEVER WOULD WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS NONSENSE, IT'S A BROKEN SYSTEM AND THERE ARE ANSWER TOSS FIXING IT. WE CAN ALL DO IT IF WE JUST WORKED TOGETHER AND I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD THAT HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU, AND, IT CAN BE FIXED, WE HAVE TO HAVE IT FIXED FOR OUR COMMUNITY OR, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ONE ANYMORE. I APPRECIATE

YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> CHAIR: JUST AS A MATTER OF NOTICE, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THE TWO LADIES WHO ARE ALREADY AT THE PODIUM, AND THEN WE'LL HEAR NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

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>> I'M RACHEL AND LIVE AT 2468 DEER TRACE AVENUE I WANT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT I'VE LIVED THROUGH WITH MY FAMILY AS I'VE ALSO FLOODED WITH EACH STORM AND WITH REGULAR RAIN WATER EVENTS. MY FAMILY AND I HAVE BEEN TRAUMATIZED BY THE ISSUES WHICH HAVE OCCURRED IN AND THROUGHOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH NO AVAIL AND ASSISTANCE FROM OUR HOA OR MASTER'S ASSOCIATION, WITH EACH AND EVERY STORM WE SUFFER DAMAGE, LOSS, MENTAL, AND EMOTIONAL ISSUES THAT FOLLOW. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO WORK, I KNOW AND APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE VOTED 5-30 TO HAVE THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM REVIEWED. I ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO WORK WITH HUSBAND AND APPLY PRESSURE SO THAT WE COULD LIVE COMFORTABLY AND SAFELY IN OUR HOMES WITHOUT THE FEAR OF FLOODING AND BEING SURROUNDED BY SEWAGE AND OTHER MATTERS. AND, I WOULD, AGAIN, IMPLORE THAT THE COUNTY SEE THIS AS AN OVERALL ISSUE BECAUSE IT DIRECTLY AFFECTS US AND SOME OF THE STREETS NOW, IT WILL BE ONGOING AND AFFECT MANY MORE IN THE YEARS TO COME. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS DEBORAH PULLTON AND I LIVE AT 2460 TRACE TERRACE DRIVE. IT I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE REVIEWING OF THE MARSH LANDING. AS AWFUL YOU ARE AWARE, THE MARSH LANDING SUBDIVISION IS BUILT INCORRECTLY, AND WORSE STILL, THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM HAS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED EITHER. THESE MAJOR DE DEFICIENCIES HAVE CAUSED ME LOTS OF DOLLARS IN FLOODING.

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> THAT WOULD PROTECT OUR HOMES FROM FLOODING AND THEY MUST BE BUILT. THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS CLEARLY DID NOT BUILD THEM WHEN THE SUBDIVISION WAS BUILT. I'VE FALLEN MANY TIMES ON MY DRIVEWAY JUST WALKING TO GET MY MAIL AS THE SUBDIVISION HAS NO DRAINAGE AND THE WATER FLOWS INTO MY PROPERTY. A REPAIRMAN CAME TO GIVE ME A QUOTE FROM MY DRIVEWAY THAT WAS RUINED FROM THE AMOUNT OF WATER AND HE FELL BECAUSE OF THE WATER ISSUES ON THE ROAD AND BROKE HIS BACK, HE WAS OUT OF WORK FOR A YEAR AND THAT WAS HORRIFYING ESPECIALLY SINCE HE HAS A FAMILY TO TAKE CARE OF. (INAUDIBLE) TO THE POINT THAT I HAVE VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR MY BELOVED DOGS TO RUN. I USED TO HAVE A LARGE YARD, BUT IT'S ERODED SO MUCH. ONE OF MY DOGS ACTUALLY DROWNED IN THE POND BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BUILT TO COUNTY OR STATE REQUIREMENTS. MY LATE HUSBAND ALSO FELL INTO THE POND AND COULD NOT GET OUT TWO TIMES AND I HAD TO CALL 911 FOR HELP. THE POND IS DANGEROUS AND DO NOT MEET THE STATE AND COUNTY REQUIREMENTS OF THE FOUR TO ONE SLOPE I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE ORDER MARSH LANDING TO CORRECT THEM. ONCE MR. HAMSTER'S REPORT IS COMPLETE, I'M ASKING THAT YO THE MARSH LANDING ASSOCIATION BOARD MEMBERS AND THE GOLF COURSE OWNERS RECEIVE A COPY OF THE REPORT, THESE PARTIES MUST ALL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THESE ISSUES. COUNTY OFFICIALS SPENT OVER TWO YEARS TRYING TO GET MARSH LANDING OFFICIALS TO FIX THE FLOODING AND DRAINAGE ISSUES YET NOTHING'S HAPPENED.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE PRIOR TO THE PUBLISHING TO THE FINAL REPORT. I FEAR MY HOME WILL NOT

SURVIVE. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU. >>

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> WE'VE HEARD FROM SEVEN ORATE MARSH LANDING RESIDENTS, AND THERE MAY BE SOME COMBINATION OF CAR POOLING, AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE MORE SPEAKER FOR MARSH LANDING. I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO INDULGE WE HEAR THE LAST WHAT MAY BE THE LAST SPEAKER FROM MARSH LANDING

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AFTERNOON. JUST A SUGGESTION. >> CHAIR: MR. HINESLY WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE US OUT WITH NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE, IF THERE ARE ONLY A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE LEFT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, CAN WE HAVE WHOEVER'S LEFT IN HERE. BECAUSE I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE LEFT.

>> CHAIR: I THINK THAT THE DANGER IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE LEFT. WE SAW HANDS GO UP. AND THERE WERE FIVE HANDS GO UP. WE GOT TO STAY ON TRACK, OR TRY TO STAY ON TRACK. BUT, I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN, BUT, WE'LL CLOSE IT

OUT. >> MY SENIOR CITIZEN BUS IS FULL TODAY, SO, I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME GO ON. THANK YOU, SO MUCH, CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL, MY DAUGHTER CAME HOME FROM LAW SCHOOL AFTER THE BREAK AND WAS EXCITED TO SEE THERE ARE TWO WOMEN ON THE BOARD, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING THE ROLE MODELS FOR THE BOARD. ESPECIALLY YOUNG LADIES OUT THERE. THANK YOU FOR VOTING 5-0 TO HIRE MR. HAMSTRUNG. THE AGREEMENT WITH THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS STARTED IN JULY OF 2022, WE HAVE CLOCKED OVER A THOUSAND HOURS OF OUR OWN TIME COPYING, RESEARCHING FOR HIM GIVING HIP THE DOCUMENTS, STAYING OUT OF HIS WAY. PROVIDING HIM WITH ALL THE DOCUMENTS FROM THE COUNTY ON OUR OWN FREE TIME, OVER 1,000 HOURS THAT'S $200,000 THAT WOULD HAVE COST YOU AT $200 PER HOUR. AND WE CAN SHOW YOU EACH TIME THAT WE SPENT ON IT. THE REPORT WAS DUE ON IT DECEMBER 31ST, AND WE REALIZE IT'S A MAJOR JOB AND NOT COMPLAINING BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR SOMEONE FROM THE COUNTY TO PLEASE KEEP AN EYE ON THAT BECAUSE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE COST TO YOU AND WE WANT TO GET THE SITUATION RESOLVED IN MARSH LANDING. OR SENIOR CITIZENS WERE FLOODED AGAIN. I'VE HELPED EVERY PERSON WITH FLOOD CLAIMS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING. I SPEND COUNTLESS HOURS FOR POOR PEOPLE BEING RIPPED OFF BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, THEY WON'T EVEN PAY FOR THEIR AIR CONDITIONING. POLICE PULLTON HAS NO AIR OR HEAT FOR THE PAST 20 WEEK AND I'VE CALLED EVERY FEMA PERSON THAT I KNOW AND I KNOW EVERYBODY JUST TO GET THE INSURANCE PEOPLE TO PAY HER.

WITHOUT THE STREET INFRASTRUCTURE AND DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THE FLOOD PROTECTION ALONG THE INTERCOASTAL, OUR HOMES DON'T STAND A CHANCE. THE WATER CAME WITHIN THIS MUCH THIS TIME OF GETTING IN MY HOME. I'M SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF IT IN ON ISLAND WITH MY FAMILY THINKING OH, MY GOD, MY HOUSE IS GOING TO BE FLOODED AGAIN, I CAN'T TELL WHAT THAT DOES TO MY BODY AND HEAD WHEN THAT HAPPENS. OUR ELECTRICITY GETS KNOCKED OUT WITH MY KING TIDE. YOU HEARD RAW SEWAGE IS GETTING INTO OUR SYSTEM WHICH IS GETTING INTO THE INTERCOASTAL. WE CAN'T LIVE LIKE THAT. IT'S DISGUSTING.

THEIR WATER COMES INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND GOES OUT INTO THE INTERCOASTAL. NOW, THE WATER'S STARTING TO BACK FLOW, AND WHEN IT STARTS TO BACK FLOW AND GO BACK TO THEM, HOW IS THEIR WATER GETTING OUT TO THE OCEAN, IT WILL FLOOD THEM TOO NEXT. IT'S COMING. THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I ASK YOU TODAY IT'S SO IMPORTANT YOUR STAFF SPENT TWO YEARS CHASING MARSH LANDING. THE HOA BLAMED THE MASTER, THE MASTER BLAMED THE GOLF CARS AND THE GOVERNMENT BLAMED THEM ALL. FIFTH TAKEN THE TIME TO DOCUMENT ALL OF OUR ISSUES AND I WOULD LIKE IT IN THE PUBLIC RECORD, I'VE GIVEN THIS TO YOU ALL TODAY IN GREEN FOLDERS, I LIKE TO BE PRECISE, I APPRECIATE THAT, BECAUSE I'M I HAVE THE PEOPLE IN MRSH LANDING SHOULD BE RESPONDED TO WHEN THE REPORT IS FINAL. I ASK THAT YOU FOLLOWUP AND REPORT BACK TO US.

>> CHAIR: AND NOW, WE'LL RECESS FOR LUNCH. THERE'LL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END OF OUR MEETING. WE WILL RECONVENE AT 12:50.

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FISHKIND'S REPORT, HE TALKS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS SITE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TRANSMITTAL, WE TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL. AND THIS SITE, I THINK, BASED ON HIS EXPERT REPORT, SHOWS THAT THE USES WHICH ARE SUGGESTED HERE, THE POTENTIAL IS GREAT. WE TALK ABOUT LOCATION. UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LOCATION, WE TALK ABOUT IS THIS SITE OR CAN THIS SITE BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE USE THAT'S REQUESTED? I WOULD, GO BACK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A SITE, WE TALK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES IT RELATE TO THE PROPERTIES AROUND US IN THIS IN INSTANCE, WE TALK ABOUT A SITE THAT HASSEN TRAIL UPLANDS, WE TALK ABOUT A SITE AND A CONCEPT PLAN THAT WANTS TO UTILIZE THESE CENTRAL UPLANDS TO BE BUFFERED BY THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES BY THE CURRENTLY EXISTING WETLAND SYSTEMS AS WELL AS POSSIBLE PRESERVATION AREAS IN PERPETUITY. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE HAVE, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DISTANCES ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY FROM THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT. HERE, AGAIN, CENTRAL UPLANDS, WETLANDS, AND, AGAIN, TO BE FULLY TRANSPARENT, WETHER OR NOT THERE ARE AREAS CLEARED FROM TIMBERING OR THE PARTS OF ACTIVITIES DONE UNDER THE STATE APPROVED AG PLAN. THE INTENT OF

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>> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT, FOLKS, WE'LL RECONVENE THE MEETING. WE FINISHED PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'RE PACK TO THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO THE MANY CONCERNS EXPRESSED DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

MR. WHITEHOUSE. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, WHENEVER WE HAVE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS AND COMP PLAN REQUESTS FOR TRANSMITTAL, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT AS A COUNTY AND WE'RE GUIDED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT CODE AND FLORIDA LAW. THE ONE MAIN THING ABOUT COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND THE REQUESTS FOR TRANSMITTAL A, NUMBER ONE IS NEED. DO WE NEED THE USE OR THE LAND USE THAT'S BEING REQUESTED? WELL, WE STARTED OUT THIS PRESENTATION EARLIER TALKING ABOUT INDUSTRIAL IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO GO BACK OVER IT, BUT, WE KNOW THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WE KNOW THERE'S A NEED FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S DEBATED. NUMBER TWO, WE TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC IMPACT POTENTIAL FOR A REQUEST, AND THIS, YOU HAVE DR.

FISHKIND'S REPORT, HE TALKS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS

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YOU HEARD EARLIER FROM THE EXPERT THAT 214 IS UNDER UTILIZED, IT'S ONLY AT 64%. SO, EVEN IF THIS REQUIRED TRANSPORTATION CON CURRENCY, THEY COULD GET IT. WE'RE HERE FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, SO WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S AVAILABILITY ON THE ROADS. HOMES DESIGN AS A BYPASS, AS WE SPEAK, THERE'S WORK BEING DONE ON HOMES NOW. IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THERE TODAY, THEY'RE EXPANDING BY THE MIDDLE SCHOOL GOING TOWARDS THE NORTH. AND, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE ONE BIGGEST AREA OF DISCUSSION CAME UP AT PZA, SO, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN WHICH IS THE INTERCHANGE AT 95. I THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE HERE ASSUMED THAT THE 95 INTERCHANGE WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU HEARD THEM SPEAK ABOUT THAT. FOR, MANY YEARS NOT ONLY THE CITY AND BUT THE COUNTY AND THE FEDS TALKED ABOUT OPENING UPPEN A INTERCHANGE AT 95, IN FACT, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE ORIGINAL INTERCHANGE BACK IN THE DAY.

BUT, THE PZA MEMBERS SPOKE ABOUT IT AND UNDERSTOOD THAT WAS THE REASON WHY IT WASN'T BECAUSE THE ENTRY TO ST. AUGUSTINE DOWNTOWN WAS NOT TO COME THROUGH THAT AREA AT THE TIME, THAT WAS THEIR DECISION SO THEY OPENED UP 16. BUT, THE INTERCHANGE AT I-95 HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR MANY YEARS. I KNOW A LOT OF RESIDENTS THERE DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. BUT, THE INTERCHANGE AT 95 IS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND I KNOW THAT YOU SAY IT'S NOT THERE NOW, AND SO MAY BE THAT'S WHY THE PROJECT IS NOT APPROPRIATE NOW, BUT, I'LL BRING UP THE ENGINEER AND THE TRAFFIC PLANNER, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE BYPASS ROADWAY WHEN THIS APPLICANT IS PREPARED TO PAY ON THIS PROPERTY SO THAT THE TRUCKS CAN USE 16. IT'S PART OF ANOTHER TRANSMITTAL APPLICATION IN THE COMMITTEE NOW FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE PROPERTIES NORTH OF 214, AND WE SPLIT THOSE UP SO THERE WOULD BE AN EASIER WAY TO ADDRESS BOTH OF THESE BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT OBJECTS, THIS PROJECT IS WHAT HE IS PREPARED TO PAY FOR HIMSELF TO GET THIS DONE.

THIS IS A REAL OPTION THAT WE HAVE AND A REAL TRANSPORTATION,

UM, SOLUTION. >> I THINK WE'LL START WITH THE TRAFFIC PIECE AND BUILD OUT FROM THERE. THE LOCAL TRAFFIC PIECE.

>> SO, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CAME UP DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT, I-95 AND 214 AS WELL AS THE OTHER PARKWAY IN A MINUTE. I WANTED TO POINT OUT, AND THIS WAS IN YOUR PACKET, THIS IS NOT NEW INFORMATION, UM, I KNOW THE NUMBERS ARE BORING AND I HEARD THAT IN PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL.

BUT, THAT IS HOW WE SHOW THAT WE MEET LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THAT'S GOOD PLANNING. SO, IN YOUR PACKET, IF YOU WANT TO GO, EITHER WAY, UM, AND THIS TABLE, AS WELL AS THE TABLE BEHIND IT ARE BOTH IN THE PACKET. AND, WHETHER YOU PUT ONE HOUSE AN ACRE OR TWO HOUSES AN ACRE, THAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC IS GOING TO OCCUR ON 214 BASED ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT SITE. THIS TOTAL TRAFFIC IS BASED ON WHICH

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NUMBER TWO IS EVERYONE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT THAT ALL THE TRUCKS NEED TO GO ON I-95, THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER ABOUT INTERMODAL EXCHANGE IS THAT WE'RE BRINGING SUPPLIES INTO THE COUNTY ON THE RAIL, NOT ON THE INTERSTATE AND WE'RE PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EXISTING AG, EXISTING COMMERCIAL, THERE'S, MANUFACTURING RIGHT THERE, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT CAME UP RIGHT THERE ON HOMES BOULEVARD THAT NEEDS TO GET EXPORTED. SO, TO NOT DISCUSS THE FACT THAT THIS IS GOING TO EXIST IN SOME OF THESE ECONOMIC SMALLER ECONOMIES, AS WELL AS WITHIN OUR NETWORK, IT'S NOT 100% GOING TO 95 FROM AN ORIGIN DESTINATION. A TRAFFIC STUDY WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING IS SOMETHING THAT COMES AFTER, AFTER THE TRANSMITTAL WE COULD DIVE INTO THOSE LAYERS. THAT'S THE SITE AND THE GENERATION FROM THE SITE. LET'S TALK 214. A LOT OF COMMENTARY WAS ABOUT EXISTING TRAFFIC, TRUCK TRAFFIC, GARBAGE TRUCKS AND ALL OF THINGS THAT ARE PART OF OUR SOCIETY.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE TO EXIST AND WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT BY LAS VLIVING AN WORKING SOMEWHERE THESE ARE PART OF OUR NEEDS, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, CRITICAL HEALTH PIECES AND GETTING TO AND FROM SCHOOL. THOSE ARE IN THE COUNTS, RIGHT? AND THOSE ARE THINGS ACCOUNTED FOR. FROM A 214 PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS THE REASON IT'S A TWO-ITEM THING, NUMBER ONE IS THE COMP PLAN AND NUMBER TWO IS THE REZONING AND THE REASON THAT WE'RE DOING THAT IS BECAUSE THIS IS THE INTENT OF THE PROJECT AND THIS IS WHAT HE'S LOOKING TO BUILD AND FUND. THERE'S NO COME TO THE COUNTY, WE WANT TO DO THIS AND NOW WE WANT YOU TO PAY FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THERE'S NO COME TO THE P COUNTY, AND WE WANT THESE LINES. SO, LAYS TALK ABOUT THE CONTINUATION OF 214 TO

95. >> CHAIR: MS. NEVILLE, WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER THAT HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU? COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, DID YOU WANT TO ASK NOW OR LATER?

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>> ABSOLUTELY. >> CHAIR: AGAIN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO FOCUS ON THE CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED.

AND TRYING TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S STUFF GETS ADDRESSED THAT WAS COMMENTED. SO, LET'S TALK, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, THEN, NEW INFORMATION. SO, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF I-95 AND 214, AND YOU HEARD FROM PEOPLE AGAINST AND FOR THE PROJECT. UM, AND I HAVE AN ARTICLE, THAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT OVERLOOKED WEST AUGUSTINE, AND DURING THE '1960S WHEN THE INTERSTATE SYSTEM WAS BUILT, IT WAS CITED AT THAT TIME THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE WELCOMING COMMITTEE FORT CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, THIS IS A DOCUMENTED THING. THAT'S WHY THERE'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THE BIDEN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT'S CONNECTING COMMUNITIES. WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE LAND IS IT PROVIDES US A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY IN THE INTERIM. WE TALKED ABOUT STATE ROAD 313 WHICH IS THE NEW ROAD, SUPPOSED TO BE A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY, THE FIRST COUPLE OF MILES IS CONNECTING 207 TO HOLMES BOULEVARD, IT'S A T-INTERSECTION, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN MORE HOLMES BOULEVARD? AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE PROJECT, IT MEANS IN ORDER FOR US ACHIEVE OUR GOALS IS WE NEED TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT PLACES. IT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT 214 AND THAT. I DIDN'T WANT TO BRING IT UP, NOT TO HIDE IT, BUT, BECAUSE IN OUR WORLD, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHIEF PROJECT CAN STAND ALONE. WHAT'S INTERESTING, THOUGH, IS THAT THIS PROJECT BEING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS OTHER ROAD AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY TO THE SOUTH, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF OWNERSHIP THAT GOES FROM 214 TO STATE ROAD 16. AND, AS PART OF THAT PROJECT, I APPRECIATE FOR A PLANNING DOCUMENT. ENGINEERING GIVE YOU THIS. I WANTED SOMETHING ELSE. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE LINE GOES, IT WILL MATTER AS A FUNCTION OF DESIGN, BUT, IT WILL CONNECT AND PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY FUNDED BY THE PROJECT THAT ALSO PROVIDES SPACE AND RIGHT-OF-WAY TO IMPROVE UTILITIES, BRINGING FRESH WATER, WATER PRESSURES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED ON 214, NOT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE NOW, BUT, ALSO FOR THE KNOWN, FUTURE NEED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW HOW SERIOUS THIS IS, AND HOW COMMITTED THIS PROJECT IS, AND I'LL GET OFF OF MY TRANSPORTATION HUB AFTER THIS. THESE ARE INITIAL, AGAIN, CONCEPTUAL, ALL OF IT IS CONCEPTUAL BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET TO THAT NEXT LAYER UNTIL WE GET A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

YOU COULD SEE, 214, THIS IS THE PROJECT, THE INTERMODAL FACILITY SOUTH OF 214, SO, THE RAIL IS HERE, ALL OF THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED BY ONE PERSON, THE ROAD WOULD COME THROUGH, AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE CHIEF PROJECT, PRESERVING UPLANDS, UTILIZING UPLANDS AND PRESERVING AS MUCH OPEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE. AND EVENTUALLY MAKE IT'S WAY THROUGH TO STATE ROAD 16. THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER WHICH ABUTS THE COUNTY'S ROAD THAT EXISTS THERE ALREADY, IS WILLING AND READY AND ABLE TO PROVIDE ACCESS AND EASEMENT, WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH HIM FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AND SO, WHEN I SAY, WE "THEY HAVE BEEN, I'VE ONLY BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH HIM FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, BUT, THERE'S WILLING PARTICIPANTS BECAUSE EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE AS A COUNTY. I GO BACK TO A TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO NOW, BUT, ALSO, WHAT DID WE DO BEFORE THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO IN IS THAT STRATEGICALLY PLANNED FOR MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP. SO, THE CHIEF CAN STAND ALONE WITHOUT THIS, BUT, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING FEATURE THAT WOULD HELP MITIGATE OTHER THINGS, BUT, I GO BACK TO BASED ON THE DATA THAT WE HAVE, BASED ON OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BASED ON THE ITE, TRIP GENERATION, THE EXISTING ROADS THAT WE HAVE, AGAIN, WILL BE IMPACTED NO MATTER WHAT COMES IN HERE, HOWEVER, WE MEET THE CODE AS FAR AS TRIPS ON 214, AND, AGAIN, THIS THING GOES REALLY DEEP INTO PERCENTAGES AND LEFT AND RIGHT-HAND TURNS AND ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS ON HOLMES AND

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>> AND MR. CHAIRMAN, TO SU SUMMERIZE NOW, COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS AND APPROVALS OF ADOPTION OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS ARE DIFFICULT, BECAUSE, WE'RE CHANGING THE USE IN AN AREA NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THEM IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, IN FACT, WE'VE HAD REALLY BIG ONES. BUT, YOU COULD LOOK AT AREAS WHICH WERE COMPLETELY CHANGED BY COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS TRANSMITTAL AND ADOPTION. TRANSMITTALS WERE NOT ALWAYS AS CLEAN AS ONE WOULD HOECHLT YOU COULD LOOK AT AREAS UP IN THE NORTHEAST, UP BY PALM VALLEY, I GUARANTY YOU, AND I KNOW WHEN NOCKATEE THERE WERE LOTS OF PEOPLE IN THE PALM VALLEY BY 210 AND SAID MANY OF THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU HEARD TODAY. DON'T CHANGE YOUR AREA, THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECTED IT TO BE HERE. THERE WERE AREAS OFF 210, WHEN CIMARRON WAS A TWO-LANE, COUNTRY ROAD, AND JACKSONVILLE GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB, SOUTH HAMPTON, WHEN THE LAND USE CHANGES CAME FOR THE USES ALONG 210, THERE WERE MANY OF THE SAME THINGS SAID TODAY, BUT, YOU NO, WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THERE. AGAIN, RACE TRACK ROAD, WE HAD A TWO-LANE ROAD, THE ONLY THING OUT THERE, COMING, YOU KNOW, WEST, WAS THE GREYHOUND BUILDING. NOW WE HAVE MANY GREAT DEVELOPMENTS ALONG RACE TRACK ROAD, ANASTASIA ISLAND, WE HAD LOTS OF CURRENT LAND USES BUT THEN WE HAD THE FREEMAN TRACK, WHICH IS RIGHT OUT THERE, AND NOW YOU HAVE THE SEA COLONY, AND THE SAME WAS SAID IN FACT THAT WENT INTO LITIGATION FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WHEN IT WAS DEVELOPED, AND FINALLY, SILVER LEAF, LOTS OF PROPERTIES, ALL THE PEOPLE ON 16 AND 16 A, I WAS HERE, A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME AND SAID THE SAME THING, PLEASE DON'T CHANGE THE AREA, THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECTED OUR HORSE FARMS AND BIG LOTS. THE ONLY REASON I BRING THAT UP IS BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSMITTAL OF A COMP PLAN AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS OBJECTIONABLE TO THE PEOPLE RIGHT AROUND IT, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE NEED AND THE THINTHS THAT WE'VE TALK ABOUT DON'T DEMONSTRATE THAT IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO TRANSMIT IT FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION. AND SO, WE DEMONSTRATED BOTH THE NEED AND THE ABILITY TO IMPLEMENT THIS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE ON THIS PROPERTY, PROPERTY THAT'S UNIQUELY BUFFERED FROM THE SURROUNDING USES. IN FACT, THE PROPOSED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE IS MORE THAN FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS DISTANCE FROM THE SURROUNDING USES FILLED WITH 50 PLUS FOOT TREES AND PRESERVED WETLANDS, THIS IS EQUIVALENT AS I SPOKE BEFORE AS THE AREA FROM WHERE WE ARE TO THE COURT HOUSE. IF THERE WERE TREES AND FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS OF WETLANDS BETWEEN HER AND THERE, YOU MAY NOT KNOW IT WAS THERE. THE PROPOSAL OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN PRESENTED SHOWAL REAL PROJECT DEFINED AS A USE, LOCATION, PRESERVATION OF WETLANDS AND TREES, EXPERT TESTIMONY AS TO NEED AND IMPLEMENTATION, YOU HEARD FROM DR. FISHKIND AND YOUR EXPERTS, TRANSPORTATION EXPERT TESTIMONY AS TO THE IMPROVEMENTS. IN FACT IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT, STAFF CONFIRMS THAT THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS WILL OFF SET ANILE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS. AND YOU SAW THOSE AND THEY'RE STILL ON THE SCREEN. FINALLY, DR. HINMAN DOES CARE ABOUT THE SURROUNDING AREA AND RESIDENTS. HE DOES CARE ABOUT THE CONTINUED SUCCESS AND LIVABILITY OF OUR CRGREAT COUNTY. THAT'S WHY HE IS PROPOSING A PROJECT THAT HELPS FURTHER EXCHANGE AND TRANSPORT WHICH WILL IN TURN HELP ALL OF US WHEN WE PLACE OUR AMAZON ORDERS AND THEY ARRIVE ON TIME.

FIVE INDUSTRIAL SITES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR LAND USE DESIGNATION ONLY ONE OR TWO THAT HAVE WAREHOUSING WILL NEVER SUFFICE. MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS PROJECT IS NEEDED, AND THIS SITE IS APPROPRIATE. I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THE TRANSMITTAL OF THIS. THANK YOU,

MR. CHAIR." >> CHAIR: THANK YOU, MR. WHITE HOUSE, WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD, WE'LL HEAR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> IS DICK DE-SOUZA HERE? >> HOW IS THE CAPACITY ON 16?

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>> 16 IS OVER CAPACITY STILL, I WOULD HAVE TO PULL MY ACTUAL NUMBER ON THAT, IT'S 116 RANGE. WHAT DOSES THAT MEAN, EXACTLY?

>> WE SDL >> WE BASE OUR CAPACITIES ON THE PEAK HOURS OF TRIP, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEAK HOURS TO UTILIZE THAT LINK. IT'S OVER THAT PEAK HOURS. DALE USE IS BASED OFF OF THE ACTUAL TRAVEL THAT WE COULD GET THERE. IT'S THE APPROVED LEVEL OF THE SERVICE ON THE ROADWAY.

>> ARE THERE A LOT OF TRUCKS ON THAT ROAD NOW?

>> I WOULD WAGER THAT THE TRUCK AVERAGE ON THAT IS 5% ACTUAL, BASED ON THE TOTAL, THAT'S BASED ON THE GENERAL IDEA WHEN WE LOOK AT ROADS LIKE THAT, A STATE FACILITY THAT'S NOT AN INTERSTATE, 5% IS A ROUND NUMBER TO ESTIMATE BASED ON THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> WHEN SHE WAS GIVING THE NUMBERS ON THE SCREEN IS THAT TRIPS INCLUDE WORKERS AND TRUCKS OR JUST THE TRUCKS?

>> BECAUSE IF THERE'S A THOUSAND WORKERS, THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND THE TRUCKS WILL GO BACK AND FORTH.

>> CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION LIKE A NORMAL PERSON, THAT WOULD

BE GREAT. >> OKAY. THAT IS THE TOTAL

NUMBERS. >> OF PEOPLE WORKING THERE AND

TRUCKS? >> YES.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR. DESOUZA.

>> WHEN ROADS ARE OVER CAPACITY, DOES THAT MEAN THERE CAN NEVER BE MORE CAPACITY, OR CAN IMPROVEMENTS BE MADE TO

INCREASE CAPACITY. >> THE CURRENT BASED OFF THE TOTAL TRIPS THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE CON CURRENCY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. NON-RESIDENTIAL IS EXEMPT FROM THE CON CURRENCY AGREEMENT, IT'S TRADITION DEVELOPMENT AND CURRENTLY, NOW, JUST RESIDENTIAL, AND IT SAYS WHAT IS THE NEXT CAPACITY IMPROVEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE FOR ANY MAJOR COLLECTIVE ROADWAY, WHAT THAT IMPROVEMENT IT IS AND WE GENERATE BASED OFF OF WHAT YOUR SHARE OF IMPROVEMENT THAT WOULD BE, YES, THERE'S ABILITY TO ADD MORE LANES, IT GETS EXPENSIVE BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A NEXT LEVEL OF ROADWAY, AND STATE ROAD 16 CAN CERTAINLY BE WIDENED TO 6 LANES TO MAKE UP FOR CAPACITY.

>> SO, WHEN WAS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN?

>> SO, WHENEVER A ROAD MEET THAT IS CAPACITY NEED, IT WOULD BE WHENEVER FUNDING IS AVAILABLE THAT WE COULD PROGRAM THAT IN

THROUGH A CIP OR A DEVELOPER. >> ISN'T IT SCHEDULED NOW FOR

WHAT, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW? >> THE FOUR-LANE SEGMENT, I'M NOT AWARE OF PLANS TO WIDEN THOSE SIX LANES, THERE'S WORK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TO WIDEN THAT TO FOUR LANES AND WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THAT AS WELL. ON THIS SECTION ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF I-95, THERE'S NO PLANNED IMPROVEMENT FOR

CAPACITY. >> EVEN THOUGH THEY PAY CON CURRENCY, HOW LONG DO THEY TAKE BEFORE BUILDING THE ROAD, ARE

THEY ON THE ROAD THEN? >> THEY WOULD TYPICALLY BE ON THE ROAD. EITHER THERE'S AVAILABLE CAPACITY OR NOT CAPACITY AND THAT APPLICANT PROFESSORS SOMETHING TO RESERVE THEIR TRIPS OR MITT DATE GAIT THE TRIPS ADDED TO THE ROADWAY.

THAT WOULD BE UPON THE COUNTY TO GET THE REST OF THOSE REVENUES TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT, BUT, THE PROCESS IS THAT THEY WOULD RESERVE CON CURRENCY ON THE P FRONT END.

>> AND AN INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPER COULD PAY IT DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND DESIGNS AS WELL? WE'VE DONE THAT THROUGH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND HAVE DONE IT THROUGH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS FOR MANY PROJECCTS JUST MENTIONED, SILVER LEAF

INCLUDED. >> CHAIR: DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I'M SEEING

NOTHING? >> I HAVE A COMMENT?

>> I LIKE TO THINK THAT WHEN I WILL BE MAKING A DECISION, I WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TRANSPARENCY SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHY I TOOK THE POSITION THAT I DID ON SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE HERE. AND FIRST, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE ON BOTH SIDES WHO SPOKE FOR YOUR CIVILITY AND YOUR PRESENTATIONS, I THINK THAT WE'VE HAD A THOROUGH AND EXCELLENT DISCUSSION OF THE PROJECT. LET ME SAY THIS, THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT, IT'S A PROJECT THAT THE COUNTY NEEDS AS FAR AS JOBS AND

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BUT, I TALK ABOUT COMPATIBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE. I WENT OUT TO THIS SITE A WEEK AGO MONDAY, YESTERDAY, A WEEK AGO, AND DROVE THROUGH THE ENTIRE AREA INCLUDING THE TWO OR THREE SUBDIVISIONS WHICH ARE NEAR BY, AND AT THE PROJECTED SITE. AND, I FIND THIS PROJECT TO BE INCOME PATABLE WITHOUT QUESTION WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE CONCLUDED AND I HAVE CONCLUDED IN MY OWN MIND THAT YOU HAVE A TWO-LANE NARROW ROAD WITH NO SHOULDERS BASICALLY, ON 214 ALL THE WAY FROM HOLMES TO THE INTERSTATE BRIDGE. I THINK THAT THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS WE COULD SAY, I WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW WHY I'M TAKING THE POSITION THAT I'M TAKING AND ALSO THAT I UNDERSTAND HISTORICALLY, I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION SIX YEARS NOW, AND IN MOST CASES, AS A PRACTICE, I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK, WE PROBABLY HAVE VOTED TO TRANSMIT A CONCEPTUAL PROJECT FOR COMMENTS AND SAY, WELL, WHEN IT COMES BACK WE'LL LOOK AT AGAIN WITH MORE SPECIFICITY, AND I HAVE TO SAY, BASED ON THE TWO ISSUES THAT I JUST DESCRIBED, IN MY MIND I DO NOT SEE A PROJECT THAT CAN BE CONSTRUCTED, BUILT, AND ADDRESSED WITH RESPECT TO BOTH COMPATIBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES THAT WOULD MEET THE TEST FOR APPROVAL AND, I THINK THAT I YO AN OBLIGATION TO THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT BASED ON WHAT'S SUBMITTED TO KNOW THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY, UM, UNPRODUCTIVE FOR US TO SEND IT TO TALLAHASSEE, BRING IT BACK AND GO THROUGH A PUD PROCESS, THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL, AND I FELT TO MAKE MY POSITION CLEAR AT THE OUTSET AND

THAT'S WHERE I STAND. >> HAIR: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> THANK YOU, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT JOB CREATION, WHICH I KNOW ABSOLUTELY IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED MORE OF IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, BUT, WHAT ARE GOING TO BE THE WAGES WITH THESE JOBS? WILL THE WORKERS BE

ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE? >> YEAH, I THINK THAT MR. FISHKIND ADDRESSED THAT SORT OF IN HIS REPORT, I THINK PART OF IT IS IT'S OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT VARIOUS LEVELS OF WAGES WHEN YOU HAVE THIS TYPE OF INTERMODAL FACILITY AS WELL AS THE TRANSPORTATION PLATFORM. SO, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY THIS IS WHAT THE WAGE WILL BE. BUT, I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF HIGH PAYING WAGE JOBS FOR OPERATING EQUIPMENT WITHIN THE WAREHOUSING AND I THINK IT'S IN THE REPORT, LIKE I SAID. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL. OKAY. LET ME GO BACK TO THAT. OKAY. SO, HERE, WE, SO, JUST TO ADDRESS IT REALLY QUICKLY, THE WERE

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>> WE NEED TO LOOK AT MORE OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, HAVING A STRATEGIC PLAN ON HOW TO CHANGE THINGS OR KEEP UP WITH THINGS. BUT, I CAN'T GET MY HEAD AROUND THE LOCATION, FOR ME, IT IS INCOMPATIBLE, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD COME DOWN

ON THIS. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, COMMISSIONER ALAIMO?

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, ARE WE IN DISCUSSION OR STILL ASKING

QUESTIONS? >> CHAIR: WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSIONER TO COMMISSIONER, YOU COULD CERTAINLY AVAIL YOURSELF OF THE STAFF, THE APPLICANT OR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAS SPOKEN, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, NOW WOULD BE THE

TIME. >> WELL, I REALLY LIKE THE PROJECT, AND I KNOW COLONEL HINMAN IS A MAN OF VISION, HE'S AN ENTREPRENEUR AND HE SEES THE NEED. AND WE DO NEED INDUSTRIAL, UM, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT, YOU KNOW, GREAT FOR ECONOMIC IMPACT. IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE JOBS, THERE'S A STRONG MARKET DEMAND FOR IT, UM, AND WE NEED TO GET BEYOND JUST TOURISM HERE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT HENRY GREENE MADE IN HIS COMMENTS ON PZA, HOWEVER, WITH ALL OF THAT, I JUST CAN'T GET PASSED, AND I ECHO COMMISSIONER ARNOLD'S AND DEAN'S COMMENTS OF THE COMPATIBILITY, NO CONNECTION TO 95, THAT ROAD THERE, 214, SO, I JUST DON'T FIND IT TO BE COMPATIBLE. I DO THINK, I DO SEE A NEED, BUT, I JUST DON'T

SEE THIS BEING COMPATIBLE. SO. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ALAIMO. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COLONEL TURNER, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING UP, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU MADE IT PAST THE LUNCH BREAK. AND WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, GOING TO BE BRIEF. THANK YOU, COLONEL TURNER I REALLY ENJOYED YOUR PRESENTATION AND I THOUGHT IT WAS CHALKED FULL OF FACTS AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I COULD SINK MY TEETH INTO. WE DID HEAR TIME AND TIME AGAIN FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL-B AND WANT THEM TO BE HOMES AND NOT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ESPECIALLY NOISY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT LIKE THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL THAT WOULD GO IN HERE, HOW DO YOU RECONCILE YOUR CONCERNS WITH TRAFFIC KNOWING THAT THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY WOULD PRODUCE THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAN THE PROPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE HEARING TODAY WITH THE IDEA THAT YOU WANT MORE HOMES AND NOT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN STAY SO, OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S TWO ISSUES HERE, THERE'S TRAFFIC AND THERE'S THE NOISE OF THE OPERATIONS. I THINK THAT'S THE COMMUNITY, THE TWO THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS SAYING. SO, WITH REGARDS TO NOISE, I MADE THE COMMENT THAT A RAIL YARD IS NOT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. WE WANT TO TALK LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WE WANT TO AVOID HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

THAT'S NOT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, THAT'S NOT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AND THAT'S NOT ME SAYING THAT, THAT'S THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYING THAT. SO, IF YOU START LOOKING AT WAREHOUSING WITH OR WITHOUT DISTRIBUTION WHICH IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THAT'S THE THINGS THAT AS A COMMUNITY WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH. NOW, RECONCILING THE TRAFFIC. Y'ALL ARE PROBABLY WELL AWARE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WHICH HAVE BEEN MADE BETWEEN VERMONT BOULEVARD AND VERMONT HEIHEIGHTS COMMUNITY, A TRAFFIC AS WELL AS THE WINDING OAKS SUBDIVISION THAT WAS GOING TO GO IN BEHIND US. THERE'S ALWAYS THE ISSUE OF CAPACITY. OUR INFRASTRUCTURE HAS A LEVEL OF CAPACITY, UM, THAT EXISTED RIGHT NOW UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THERE'S FUNDING AVAILABLE TO MAKE THAT IMPROVEMENT. SO, I BELIEVE IN TALKING WITH THE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW UNDER RES-B, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DISCONTENT REGARDING THAT DEVELOPMENT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 110 HOMES, MAXIMUM OF 200 VEHICLES, I MEAN, THAT'S MAXIMUM, ADDED TO THE ROADWAY, WHICH WOULD NOT AFFECT WHEN YOU

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THOSE ARE THE ISSUES, YOU ASK WHERE TO WE RECONCILE, WELL, IT HAS TO DO WITH QUALITY OF LIFE. AND IF WE ADD A SUBDIVISION, AND I THINK THAT THE EXPECTATION AT SOME POINT UNDER THAT ZONING IS GOING TO BE HOUSING WHETHER IT'S ONE PER ACRE OR TWO PER ACRE, THAT'S FOR ANOTHER MEETING. THERE'LL BE I HAD WHYS ON WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT LOOKS LIKE AND HOWLE IT IMPACT, BUT, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THIS PROJECT, WHICH, WE DON'T, IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, IT'S ACTUALLY, IN THE DOCUMENTATION WHICH I PROVIDED YOU, GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS RAIL YARDS AND TERMINALS, BECAUSE, REMEMBER, WE'RE TALKING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NOISE AND NUISANCE ASSOCIATED WITH ACTIVITIES THAT'S JUST INCOMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL

LIVING. >> JUST TO SUMMERIZE, YOU PREFER THE RESIDENTIAL BE THE TWO TO FOUR PER ACRE.

>> I WOULD SAY, EXACTLY. AND THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA HAVE ALWAYS HAD THE EXPECTATION TO BE SURROUNDED BY OTHER RESIDENTS.

>> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.

>> MR. CHAIR, I SEE THE WAY THIS IS GOING AND THE OWNER WANTED ME TO ASK ONE LAST QUESTION. SO, YOU KNOW, AS YOU HAD WITH YOUR REQUEST ABOUT THE RESIDENTS, AS I HEARD THE CAMPEDS OF THE COMMISSIONERS, IF THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT I-95 BECOMES AN INTERCHANGE IN THE SOMEWHAT NEAR FUTURE IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE APPETIZING AND AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT NOW, BUT, IF THERE IS GUIDANCE FOR THEM.

>> I THINK SOME OF THE ISSUES AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, BUT, I THINK SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT I'VE HAD, I LOVE COMMUTER RAIL, I LOVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, POSITIVE BENEFITS THAT THIS WOULD HAVE ON THE PROJECT, I THINK WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER HYPERTHATICALS LIKE THE ONE YOU JUST PUT TO THE BOARD. SO, I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S A TOTAL HYPERTHATICAL, IF YOU WANTED TO COME BACK AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SIT WITH YOU. AT THIS TIME, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AND WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THIS ITEM FOR FOUR HOURS. COMMISSIONER ALAIMO?

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO CAME OUT AND SPOKE, AND MADE THEIR COMMENTS, THAT'S WHAT THE PROCESS IS ALL ABOUT. SO, I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED, OBVIOUSLY MY TIME ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, THE LAST FOUR YEARS AND I'VE SEEN ENOUGH COUNT COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT I KNOW THAT ITEMS WHICH ARE IN YOUR DISTRICT ARE USUALLY, THE MOTION IS MADE BY THAT INDIVIDUAL, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT, UM, IT IS, THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER THAT USUALLY MAKES THE MOTION. THIS WAS A TOUGH ONE RIGHT OUGHT OF THE GATE, I LIKED THE PROJECT, I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT AS COMPATIBLE, BUT, I'LL OFFER A MOTION, IF THAT'S O AND IT'S THE MOTION TO DENY THE TRANSMITTAL OF COMP 2205 BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> CHAIR: OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

>> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT, SO, THE MOTION TO DENY PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2?

>> DO WE NEED A MOTION? >> NO. THAT'S JUST FOR

INFORMATION. >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> CHAIR: SO, UM, AT LONG LAST, WE'RE THROUGH AGENDA ITEM

[3 . Public Hearing * CPA(SS) 2022-14 Kings Estate Road]

>> AGAIN, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AS YOU EXIT THE AUDITORIUM TO PLEASE KEEP THE CONVERSATIONS TO A MINIMUM AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE. WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING DOWN. THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW HEAR AGENDA ITEM THREE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, GARY DAVENPORT, I'M THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, KIKINGS ESTATE PARTNE AND WHO IS ALSO JESSIE KILLBORO. WE HAVE A SMALL SCALE COMP PLAN

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YOU WOULD HAVE ONE RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARY OF THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PARCEL. IN THAT AREA TO THE SOUTH BOUNDARY, OF COURSE, WE WOULD HAVE A VERY INTENSIVE BUFFER REQUIRED BETWEEN ESPECIALLY WAREHOUSE AND RESIDENTIAL C. THIS IS EXISTING ZONING, AS I SAID, IT'S URBAN, IT'S INFILL, CERTAINLY NOT SPRAWL, COMPATIBLE, AND, ESSENTIALLY, WITH THE MIX OF ZONING AND COMP PLAN THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NO USES. THERE'S NOTHING THAT YOU COULD DO IN RESIDENTIAL C THAT'S GOING TO BE UNDER AN IW ZONING, SO ONE OF THESE HAS TO BE FIXED AND AGAIN, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT YOU FIX TO CHANGE THE COMP PLAN. AGAIN, THE BUSIER ROAD, THE COUNTY RETENTION POND, KING'S ROAD, THE BOUNDARIES ARE HIGHLY COMPATIBLE, AND THE OTHERS HAVE A SMALL COMPATIBILITY TO THE SOUTH, AND THE LANDOWNER IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF US DID NOT OPPOSE THIS PROJECT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. SO, AS YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH, WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH RESIDENTS FURTHER SOUTH ON KINGS ROAD. THIS 1984 ZONING FURTHER SOUTH WAS IN PLACE BEFORE ANY OF THOSE LOTS WERE SOLD, DEVELOPED, OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE EXISTING IN LOTS, BUT, HOUSES WERE BUILT AND THE CURRENT OWNERS BOUGHT THEM, ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO 20 YEARS AFTER THAT, SO, THEY WOULD HAVE KNOWN IF THEY HAD DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE THAT AREA IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE. SO, WE, AGAIN, THIS IS COMP PLAN, SO, WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS, WE'LL COME BACK IN WITH A CONSTRUCTION PLAN AND SITE PLAN ONCE THIS IS APPROVED, BUT, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY LOOKING AT, UM, ABOUT 60,000 SQUARE FOOT OF WAREHOUSING AND IT'S TYPICALLY 15 HUB TO 2,000 SQUARE FOOT RENTED TO PLUMBERS, PAINTERS, THOSE KINDS OF USES IS TYPICALLY WHAT'S DONE HERE AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT YOU SEE ALL UP AND DOWN DOBBS ROAD. THERE'S THE EXISTIG ZONING.

THIS IS THE ZONING HISTORY THAT I WENT THROUGH, THEY'RE ALL PART OF THE SAME ZONING UP THERE. THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL C, WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING, THE MIXED USE. THERE'S A TYPICAL SITE PLAN THAT WE'VE HAD QUITE A BIT OF INTEREST IN, AND, AGAIN, THE ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION WHICH IS THREE LOTS FURTHER SOUTH THAT'S MY PRESENTATION.

>> THANK YOU, MR. DAVEENPORT, ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HOLD PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA

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COMMENT. >> CHAIR: WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR IF NOT DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

>> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO? >> YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, DO WE HAVE TO DECLARE EX-PARTE ON THIS?

>> THIS IS LEGISLATIVE NATURE, SO, NO, WE DO NOT.

>> OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. ALL RIGHT.

>> RIGHT. WELL, UM, I DO FIND THIS TO BE COMPATIBLE, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, OBVIOUSLY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH DABS ROAD, VERY INDUSTRIAL THERE, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT, SO, I'LL OFFER A MOTION IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE TIME

[4 . Public Hearing * REZ 2022-20 Hilltop Estates]

>> WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. >> OKAY. A MOTION TO ENACT

ORDINANCE APPROVING. >> WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE

A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES 5-0, CONGRATULATIONS.

>> OKAY. WE'RE OFF TO AGENDA ITEM FOUR.

>> THAT IS EX-PARTE. >> AND THAT IS EX-PARTE. THANK

YOU, COMMISSIONER DEEP. >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO,

EX-PARTE DISCLOSURE. >> NO NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> NO.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU, MA'AM, I HAVE NO RECORD OF MEETINGS OR CONVERSATIONS. YES, MA'AM, WELCOME. CHRISTINA EVANS, WITH MATHEWS DESIGN GROUP REPRESENTING SALEENA. IT'S 4.5 ACRES, ZONED OPEN RURAL AND DEVELOPED AS A MOBILE HOME PARK.

THE SURROUNDING AREA IS GENERALLY RESIDENTIAL, THERE'S WETLANDS ALONG THE WEST AND THE SAW MILL LANDINGS PUD IS ADJACENT TO THE WEST, NORTH, AND EAST OF THE PARCEL AND THERE ARE MOBILE HOMES LOTS TO THE SOUTH. CURRENTLY, THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOP WOULD 10 DWELLING UNITS, IT'S PERMITTED FOR RV STORAGE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS RESIDENTIAL C, THE REQUESTED REZONING IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL C FUTURE LAND USE, AND YOU COULD SEE THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE PARCEL SHOWS THE SPLIT OF THE LAND USE TO THE NORTH WHICH HAS A HIGHER DENSITY, AND THE LAND USE B TO THE SOUTH WHICH HAS A LOW TERRE DENSITY, YOU COULD SEE THAT REFLECTED OBJECT THE KNOT SIDE.

THAT'S ALSO WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE AND THE SOUTHERN PARCELS WITH RESIDENTIAL B HAVE A DENSITY OF LESS THAN TWO DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, THE LOT REQUIREMENTS ARE SHOWN IN THE TOP, RIGHT CORNER. THE RS 3 AS A LARGER SETBACK AND THE SAW MILL LANDING AND PUD STANDARDS, BUT, OVERALL, IT'S COMPATIBLE.

OUR REZONING APPLICATION INCLUDED A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN AND THIS RSV WOULD YIELD AN INCREASE OF FIVE MORE UNITS THAN IS CURRENTLY ON-SITE NOW. BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SMALL INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS, THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS ARE MINIMAL AND HILLTOP IS CURRENTLY OPERATING UNDER IT'S CAPACITY.

SO, HERE ARE SITE PHOTOS. THE TOP IS THE PUD SUBDIVISION AND AS YOU GO NORTH, YOU GET TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK. MORE PHOTOS OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK. SO, OVERALL, THE REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING LAND USE AND THE POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT DOESN'T CONSTITUTE URBAN SPRAWL IT'S IN THE COUNTY'S BOUNDARY AND SERVED BY EXISTING FACILITIES AND SERVICES, THE ROADWAYS, CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER. WE HAVE FOUR LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THE PZA UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE ZONING APPLICATION TO RS 3. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS

FROM THE BOARD? >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. SEEING NONE,

WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTSIOUS OR A MOTION?

>> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO. BACK THEN.

>> NOW, I FIND THIS TO BE VERY CONSISTENT AND VERY COMPATIBLE,

[04:55:01]

[5. Public Hearing * REZ 2022-24 288 5 Coastal Highway]

REPORT >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-2.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. EVERYBODY, PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES 5-0, CONGRATULATIONS.

OKAY. >> CHAIR: MOVING ONTO AGENDA ITEM FIVE. THE REZONING 2885 COASTAL HIGHWAY. MS. BISHOP,

WELCOME. >> HAPPY NEW YEAR.

>> THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEM AS WELL.

>> I'M TRY TO GO PUSH RIGHT THROUGH THAT. COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH, ANY EX-PARTY? >> NO.

>> NONE MR. CHAIRMAN. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> NONE. >> I HAVE NONE?

>> MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU, I RECEIVED WORD JUST BEFORE THIS AT YOUR BREAK THAT THE APPLICANT COULD NOT BE HERE, THEY HAD CHILDCARE ISSUES, THEY WERE HERE EARLY EARLY BUT HAD TO LEAVE, SO, I CAN PRESENT THE ITEM IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO.

>> CHAIR: YES, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING REZONING 2022-24, IT IS A COASTAL HIGHWAY, A PARCEL OF LAND ZONED CHT AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR RS 3, THIS IS JUST A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THE PROPERTY IS DOWN AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THIS MAP. AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY AS DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL C ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. RS-3 ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH RESIDENTIAL C, THIS IS AN UPDATED SURVEY, THEY'RE DOING A RECON FIGURATION ALLOWED BY OUR CODE AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO THAT IF THIS REZONING DOES GET APPROVED. AND THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY HAD. IT IS, THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH A 6-0 VOTE AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AS WELL.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU, MISS BISHOP.

>> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> BACK TO THE BOARD. >> I'LL MOVE IT ON ITEM FIVE,

[6. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2022-08 Six Mile Creek PUD (Six Mile Creek North) - Tract 20]

>> CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. BISHOP. AND WE'RE ONTO AGENDA ITEM SIX.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, WELCOME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> EX-PARTE. >> THIS IS THE FINAL

QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEM OF THE DAY. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU GOODNESS.

COMMISSIONER ALAIMO? >> NO, EX-PARTE.

>> NONE. >> I HAVE NONE. COMMISSIONER

ARNOLD? P>> NONE MR. CHAIRMAN >> NONE.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU, VERY MUCH.

>> THAT WAS EASY. UM, MIME CATHERINE WHITTINGTON, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT IN MASTER DEVELOPERS SJ LAND ASSOCIATES LLC, AND FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME AND CONGRATULATE COMMISSIONER ALAIMO. IT'S NICE TO HAVE YOU BACK HERE. WITH ME HERE TODAY, WELL, COMING IN IS VANESSA CUNNINGHAM, A PROJECT ADMINISTRATOR, AND BILL CHILLING, WHO IS THE PROJECT ENGINEER. THIS IS A MAJOR MODIFICATION OF THE SIX MILE CREEK PUD, IT'S BETWEEN STATE ROAD 16 AND THE CITY ROOFPLATE THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THE LAND USE IS DRI WHICH IS WHY IT'S IN BLUE, AND THERE ARE ONLY THREE DRIS WHICH ARE THAT DESIGNATION AND THAT COLOR, IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE THE THREE OLDEST ONES THAT PRE-DATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS ONE, AND ALSO THE JEWELLINGTON CREEK PLANTATION. WHICH IS GOING TO BE RELEVANT IN A MINUTE. THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAP. YOU SEE SIX MILE CREEK WEST, SIX MILE CRCREEK NORTH, TRAIL MARK. SIX MILE CREEK NORTH IS

[05:00:04]

IT WAS INADVERTENTLY DESIGNATED AS ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVE, BUT, WAS ALWAYS SLATED FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO, WE NEED TO REMOVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVE LABEL ON TRACT 20, IT'S 5.13 ACRES OF UPLANDS TO ALLOW, ONE ALREADY APPROVED SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS. SO, WHAT WE'RE DOING IT BRINGING MAP H INTO CON FORMANCE WITH LATER APPROVALS WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU HAVE HAPPENED. WE'RE ADDING THE TRACT TO THE DEVELOPMENT TABLE ON MAP H WITH A LIMITATION TO ONE SINGLE-FAMILY UNIT AND REMOVING WHAT WAS AN OPTIONAL SECURITY GATE LABEL WHICH WAS NEVER BUILT. SO, THERE WAS NO INCREASE IN UNITS FOR THE PUD OR THE DRI. THIS IS APPROVED MAP H, SO, ON THE RIGHT IS THE ENTIRE MAP H, IT IS ONE SHEET OF PAPER, VERY OLD AND DIFFICULT TO READ AND IT IS 4,000 ACRES ON ONE SHEET OF PAPER, ON THE LEFT IS AN EXCERPT FROM IT THAT SHOW TRACK H AND THE LINES ON IT DESIGNATE ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVE, THAT IS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. THIS IS TO SHOW YOU THERE HAVE BEEN MANY MANY MODIFICATIONS OF THIS PUD AND DRI OVER THE YEARS. AND THERE'S MORE. MAP H, THIS DRI IS BACK FROM 1986, ORIGINALLY. MAP H WHICH IS SUBJECT TO THE APPLICATION ORIGINALLY APPEARED IN 1996. SO, OUT OF ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS, THERE ARE JUST THE RELEVANT ONES WILL BE DISCUSSED TO THIS APPLICATION.

THERE ARE 11 RELEVANT MODIFICATIONS IN 1986 WHEN MAP H WAS APPROVED. BUT, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF APPROVALS THAT DID CHANGE THE USE OF MAP H, I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH BRIEFLY.

SO, AGAIN, YOU SEE THE LINES ON THE LEFT, ON TRACK 20, THIS WAS THE FIRST. THIS WAS A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT GOT APPROVED TWO YEARS LATER, YOU COULD SEE THE EXCERPT ON THE LEFT, STILL MAP H, HAS LINES ON IT. ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE THE SAME OUTLINE, IT'S TRACK 20 WITHOUT THE LINES ON IT. SO, IT GOT APPROVED FOR DEVELOPMENT TWO YEARS AFTER MAP H, NEXT, IN THE SAME YEAR, THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMIT WAS ISSUED. YOU SEE TRACK 20 HIGHLIGHTED ON THE RIGHT. AND YOU COULD SEE IT WAS NOT DESIGNATED AS ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVE. NEXT, THE COUNTY, THE NEXT YEAR, APPROVED A PLAT FOR TRACK 20 AND I HAVE BLOWN IT UP SO THAT YOU COULD READ IT, TRACK 20, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, 5.13 ACRES, AND THE ADOPTION WHICH WAS APPROVED ON THE PLAT SAYS THAT TRACK 20 AND VARIOUS OTHER ONES MAY BE REPLATED FOR RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL USES. NEXT WAS THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT WHICH WAS RECORDED IN YELLOW WHICH IS TRACK 20, IN GREEN IS THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT SURROUNDING IT, BUT, TRACK 20 WAS NEVER INCLUDED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVE PERMIT OR THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT. THEN, FAST-FORWARD 19 YEARS AND WE COME TO A PRE-APPLICATION WHICH WAS SUBMITTED FOR A THREE-LOT SUBDIVISION. IT SAYS YOU WOULD BE PERMITTED TO HAVE A THREE-LOT SUBDIVISION ON THE PROPERTY. IT WAS WITHDRAWN AND NEVER WENT FORWARD. THEN, THE MASTER DEVELOPER HAD PREPARED AN 11-LOT SUBDIVISION, WHICH WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BUT WAS NEVER PURSUED. NOW, TO WHAT BRINGS US HERE TODAY FROM 2021, THE DEVELOPER TRACT 20 BY

[05:05:04]

RECORD RE REGARDING THE WETLANDS AND THE BUFFERS, THIS LOT IS BASICALLY CRAFTED OUT OF THE CREATED OUT OF THE WETLAND LINE, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE APPROVED JURISDICTIONAL LINE. SO, THE PROPERTY ITSELF DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY WETLANDS WITHIN IT. AS A PART OF THE WETLAND PERMITTING, THERE IS A MANDATORY 25 FOOT WIDE UPLAND IN OUR OPINION AND WHAT WE'VE SHARED WITH THE HOME OTHER THANES AND RESIDENTS IS WE DON'T SEE THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME ON THIS LOT HAVING ANY IMPACTS TO THE FLOOD ZONE OR ANY OF THE WETLANDS AND THE WETLANDS AS SHOWN IN THE EARLIER SLIDE ARE WITHIN A CONSERVATION EASEMENT WHICH HAS BEEN RECORDED AND YOU'LL SEE IS REFERRED TO CONSERVATION EASEMENT FIVE WITHIN THE PROJECT. AND FINALLY, THE LAST ITEM WAS TALKING ABOUT DISTANCES AND HOW CLOSE THESE LOT LINES ARE TO THE EXISTING LOTS AND YOU'LL SEE THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT BUFFERING HERE WITH THE EXISTING WETLANDS WITHIN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT. THE CLOSEST WE ARE FROM THE LOT LINE TO LOT LINE IS A LITTLE BIT OVER 120 FEET. SO, I DID WANT TO SHARE THAT AND THEN I'LL TURN BACK OVER TO KATHRYN. THANK YOU.

>> SO, TO SUMMERIZE, WE'RE REQUESTING ONLY ONE, ALREADY APPROVED UNIT ON FIVE UPLAND, VERY WELL BUFFERED ACRES. THE APPROVALS, PERMIT, AND PLATTING ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS BY STAFF NOR THE SIX MILE CREEK NOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS BOARD OF DIRECTORS, THE PZA DIRECTORS APPROVAL AND JUST

[05:10:05]

>> SO, WITH THAT WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT

YOU MAY HAVE? >> CHAIR: COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION, AND IT WILL STAY ALWAYS, ONE UNIT, ONE HOUSE?

>> CORRECT. THAT'S WHY THE NOTE IS ON THERE LIMITING IT.

>> THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE GOING INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA

ITEM NUMBER SIX. >> BJCALADY, WEST CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD DO THIS LEGALLY, BUT, IT CONCERNED ME WHENEVER I SAW THAT THEY WANTED TO GET RID OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION ITEM BECAUSE OF ALL THE TREES AND EVERYTHING, AND THE BACKUP STUFF. HERE'S MIENT COMPANY, LEAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION DESIGNATION, ALLOWING THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION OPENS UP OTHER TRACTS FOR CONSTRUCTION IN ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION AREAS. I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T SAY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BUT THIS IS WHAT MY CONCERN WAS WHEN THIS WAS IN QUOTES. AND SHE, THE LAWYER DID BRING THIS UP. THE BIER OF THIS PARCEL WAS UNWILLING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR A HOUSE WITH A BARN AND FENCING TO PASTURE HORSES. SO, SOLD IT BACK TO THE LLC DEVELOPER WHO HIRED A LAWYER TO ASK FOR THE MAJOR MODIFICATION.

DOES THIS I DON'T THINK IT DOES FIT. SO, UM, BASED ON STAFF REPORT FOR, UM, FACTS FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN, AND YOUR STAFF REPORT, I THINK THIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. BUT, THE AND ALL THE LAWYERS THAT COME UP HERE, WELL, NOT ALL, BUT, SOME OF THE LAWYERS THAT COME UP HERE SAY THAT THE PCA GOT PASSED. BUT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND I HOPE THAT WHENEVER YOU ALL READ THIS BACKUP MATERIAL WHITE HOUSE THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PAGES THAT YOU NOTICE IT'S A VOTE AND WATT VOTE IS, AND I DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER, I CAN RUN TO THE LIBRARY, BUT, I CAN'T RUN THERE ALL THE TIME, AND, TO SEE WHY THAT ONE PERSON, OR THAT TWO PEOPLE OR THREE PEOPLE WERE AGAINST SOMETHING BEFORE IT COMES BACK UP TO YOU Y'ALL AND WE SPEND FIVE HOURS ON ONE THING WHICH WE DON'T NEED TO BE DOING ANYMORE IN THIS ROOM. I DIGRESS, SO, CAN THE STAFF PRESENTATION PERSON TELL US IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A HOUSE, OR A BARN OR WILL THERE BE HORSES RUNNING AROUND? THAT'S MY QUESTION, BECAUSE IT'S CLOSE TO WATER, TOO, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PICTURES THAT I SAW.

>> THANK YOU. >> KEN SLAVE P, I AGREE WITH MS. CALADY. PLEASE DENY THIS REQUEST. IF SOMETHING'S IN ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO MOVE THAT STATUS. AND IF THERE WAS A SCRIBNER'S ERROR, 25 YEARS AGO, SHOULDN'T WE JUST HAVE HEARD SOME SWORN TESTIMONY, I REALIZE THERE WAS A WHOLE HEARING THIS MORNING, AND I WOULD HAVE VOTED LIKE YOU DID, I THINK WE SHOULD BE SWEARING IN WITNESSES. I'M

OPPOSED TO THIS? >> THANK YOU, MR. SLAVEN.

ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM SIX? SEEING

NONE, CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT. >> CHAIR: COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH? STAY >> WHEN I WAS IN THE THURSDAY REVIEW OF WHAT WE WERE GOING TO SEE TODAY, I DID ASK THAT QUESTION, AND BJ, IT CONCERNED ME THAT THIS WOULD SET

[05:15:03]

>> CAN I ADD TO THAT? >> IN RESPONSE TO THE COMMENT ABOUT SETTING PRECEDENTS FOR OTHER PARCELS. THAT ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVE IS ABOUT 2,700 ACRES WHICH IS UNDER CONSERVATION EASEMENT. THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT PART OF THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT, IT'S PERMITTED, AND APPROVED BY A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO, IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS GOING TO SET A PRECEDENT FOR ANYTHING, AND YES, IT WIL ONLY BE ONE

UNIT. >> CHAIR: WONDERFUL, WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD, DO WE HAVE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR A MOTION?

>> WELL, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION T OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE GOT NERVOUS WHEN WE SAW US POTENTIALLY REMOVING AN ENVIRONMENTAL PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR A CLEAR AND CONCISE INFORMATION THAT IT IS, IN FACT, A MISTAKE. THAT BEING SAID, I'LL MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2023-4 APPROVING MAJOR MODIFICATION 2022-08 AS FINDING IN THE FACTS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALAIMO.

EVERYBODY PLEASE VOTE. >> THAT PASSES 5-0,

CONGRATULATIONS. >> I IMMEDIATE TO OFFER A

[7. Land Acquisition and Management Program Conservation Board Property Evaluation Form for Consideration for Approval by the Board of County Commissioners]

>> I APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE OFFENDED, IT'S MY FAULT.

>> CHAIR: THAT'S A STAND-UP THING TO DO TO TAKE OWNERSHIP

FOR IT 25 YEARS LATER. >> .

>> CHAIR: SO, NOW WE'RE HEARING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, AND COMMISSIONERS. RYAN MAUCH. THE LAND ACQUISITION AND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, OR, LAMP CONSERVATION BOARD WAS REACTIVITIED IN 2021, AND BOARD MEETING WERE CONDUCTED IN 2022. A PROPERTY EVALUATION MATRIX FORM AS DESCRIBED IN THE LAMP ORDINANCE AND APPROVED BY THE CONSERVATION BOARD.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, AND BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, I'M MIKE ADAMS, I'M THRILLED TO BE HERE AND THRILLED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE LAND ACQUISITION AND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. HENRY HAS BEEN A CHAMPION TRYING TO GET THIS THING TO HAPPEN, SO WE FINALLY HAVE IT BACK ON TRACK. SO, WHAT WE HAVE THIS AFTERNOON, WHAT WE HAVE THIS AFTERNOON IS A MATRIX THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU BASED ON THIS ORDINANCE THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE ASSOCIATED WITH THE LAMP BOARD AND WE TOOK THE BETTER PART OF THE YEAR TO DEVELOP THIS MATRIX FOR ASSESSING PROPERTIES. AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S THE STATEMENT UP THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE CRITERIA AND RANKING MATRIX' THAT WE DEVELOPED AND WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS MATRIX TO EVALUATE LANDS WHICH WE ARE NOW CONSIDERING. AND THERE IT IS, IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE SLIDE, BUT, YOU SEE THE CATEGORIES IN THE LEFT-HAND COLUMN THERE. WE TRIED TO HAVE IT AS ALL-ENCOMPASSING AS WE CAN, TO NOT ONLY INCLUDE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WHICH IS THE TOP GOAL THERE, BUT, ALSO RECREATION, CULTURAL, HISTORICAL, EDUCATION, INFRASTRUCTURE, ACQUISITION, MAINTENANCE, AND THEN, A BONUS AREA FOR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, THIS IS WHAT WE DO, AND THEN, IN THE MIDDLE COLUMN THERE, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE A SCORE THAT WE PROVIDE AND OUR BOARD MEMBERS PROVIDE A SCORE AND WE GIVE COMMENTS AND THAT TYPE OF THING AND THIS IS THE FORM THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO USE FOR FUTURE EVALUATIONS WHEN LOOKING AT LANDS TO PURCHASE UNDER CONSERVATION EASEMENT. SO, IT'S A SHORT AND CONCISE PRESENTATION COMPARED TO WHAT YOU ALL ENDURED THIS MORNING, WHICH I COMMEND YOU ALL FOR.

>> CHAIR: WELL, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT ALL THE CATEGORIES AND A HECK OF A JOB THAT YOU DID PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.

COMMISSIONER DEAN, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS, BECAUSE YOU

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>> FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MIKE AND YOU'LL THE MEMBERS OF THE LAMP COMMITTEE, THEY ALL SERVE AS VOLUNTEERS, NO PAY. AND THEY'RE ALL VERY INTERESTED AND EXCITED ABOUT THE JOB THEY DID. AND I'M VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE PROPOSED RANKING SYSTEM AND THE PRIORITIES, IT SORT OF FOLLOWS FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE STATE ACQUISITION, THE STATE PROGRAM HAS A CRURALE COMMITTEE WHICH IS MADE UP OF CITIZENS AND AGENCY HEADS WHICH HAVE A SIMILAR RANKING SYSTEM FOR STATE PARKS AND PRESERVES. SO, THIS IS VERY WELL DONE. AND, I JUST THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO SUPPORT THIS. FOR A LITTLE QUICK HISTORY, IN 2008 FOR THOSE OF US HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WE HAD AN EXTREMELY DEEP RECESSION AND WE ACTUALLY ELIMINATED 200 POSITIONS AT THE COUNTY. THE GENERAL FUND ELIMINATED 200 POSITIONS. ONE OF THE SUBJECTS OF THE CUTS WERE THE ELIMINATION OF THE LAMP PROGRAM AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AND AS WE, AS THE ECONOMY CAME BACK AND AS WE CONTINUED TO GROW LARGER AND LARGER WITH MORE ROOF TOPS, I THINK THERE WERE THOSE OF US ON THE COMMISSION STARTING FOUR YEARS AGO IN LIKE, 2018 OR 2019, WE THOUGHT THAT WE'RE HAVING SO MANY PROJECTS TO BE APPROVED, WE SHOULD RECONSIDER WHERE WE COULD ACQUIRE OPEN SPACE AND REESTABLISH THE LAMP COMMITTEE AND SO WE DID THAT, AND IN FACT, THE LAMP PROGRAM IS ON GOING AND THIS IS THE NEXT STEP AND THEY WILL BRING US RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE'LL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON ANY ACQUISITION OR EXPENDITURE SO WE WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO THE TAXPAYER BUT WE'LL GET A SOLID RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMITTEE.

>> CHAIR: THAT'S CLEAR. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

WE'LL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT, UNLESS THERE IS COMMENTS AT THIS

TIME? >> AT THIS TIME, THE PARTED WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 7. AGENDA ITEM

SEVEN. >>> WELCOME BACK.

>> ED SLAVEN, ED SLAVEN.COM. BOX 3084. THE LAMP MEETINGS NEED TO BE HELD IN THIS ROOM, THEY'RE NOT, WHY?

>> LAMP MEETINGS NEED TO BE TELEVISED, THEY'RE NOT, WHY?

>> WHEN YOU GO TO A LAMP MEETING AND YOU'RE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, MEMBERS OF LAMP SIT WITH THEIR BEHINDS TO YOU, IT'S NOT A WELCOMING SPIRIT. AND SOME OF THE STAFF THERE ARE SOMEWHAT HOSTEL, I DON'T THINK THEY LIKE PEOPLE PARTICIPATING. NOW, I GIVE FULL CREDIT TO THE LAMP BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO CONFERENCE ME IN BY TELEPHONE WHEN I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND IN PERSON WHEN I HAD EYE SURGERY, BUT, YOUR LAMP, QUALIFIED BOARD MEMBERS, BUT, ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THERE SEEMED TO BE OFFENDED THAT ONE OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS DISAGREED WITH HIM AND WANTED TO RUN HIM OFF, LISTEN TO THE TAPES, WE DON'T HAVE VIDEOS, ANYBODY WATCHING THE LAMP DOESN'T KNOW WHOSE SPEAKING BECAUSE THE SPEAKERS DON'T IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, THE SOUND QUALITY IS REALLY POOR, AND THERE WAS A LADY FROM THE ROAD MANAGEMENT DIVISION WHO READ A SPIEL AT ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS AD SAID THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO TELEVISE THOSE MEETINGS, THERE WERE ONLY TWO BOARDS IN THE COUNTY WHICH ARE TELEVISED. WE PAY FOR THIS TV STUDIO HERE, WE PAY FOR IT, IT'S OUR'S, IF WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT HERE IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, I DON'T CARE WHICH ONES, IT NEEDS TO BE TELEVISED, THE PEOPLE NEED TO BE HEARD AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH LAMP.

AND ALSO, WITH LAMP, THERE NEEDS TO BE CLARIFICATION AS TO WHETHER LAMP CAN BE. YES, THE COUNTY NEEDS TO HELP, THE COUNTY NEEDS TO HELP MOVE IT ACROSS THE ROAD, AND PROTECT IT. IT'S THE PLACE WHERE THE REVEREND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. WAS GOING TO STAY AND THERE WERE BULLET HOLES AND FIRE BOMBS AND IT'S A HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND THE PEOPLE THAT OWN IT, I THINK WANT TO SELL IT TO THE COUNTY. NOT WITH STANDING THE BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL, NATURAL RESOURCES WHICH ARE ON THE LIST FOR LAMP TO POTENTIALLY SEND TO Y'ALL TO THE NEXT MEETING, I WOULD LIKE Y'ALL TO SEND A SIGNAL TO LAMP TODAY THAT THEY COULD RECOMMEND THAT COUNTY FUNDS MIGHT BE USED TO HELP BUY AND MOVE THE CAN

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PLEASE. NOW. >> THANK YOU, MR. SLAVEN.

>> DORRIS TAYLOR, 208 LABELLIA ROAD. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD VOTE AGAINST THIS FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT OUR COUNTY IS APPARENTLY STRAPPED FOR FUNDS GIVEN THE EFFORT TO TAX US MORE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT RAISING TAXES, YOU NEED TO STOP SPENDING MONEY.

I REPEAT, THE ADVICE A FRIEND GAVE TO ME NOT TOO LONG AGO, THAT IF YOU FIND YOURSELF IN A HOLE, YOU SHOULD STOP DIGGING.

LET'S STOP THE AGGRESSIVE DEVELOPMENT UNTIL WE FIX THE ROADS AND LET'S STOP SPENDING ON ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ESSENTIAL UNTIL WE GET OUR HOUSE IN ORDER FINANCIALLY. THIS IS BASIC LOGIC. PLEASE, DO THE RIGHT THING BY THE RESIDENTS RATHER THAN THE DEVELOPERS, PLEASE DOT RIGHT THING FOR THE TAX PAYERS, INSTEAD OF THE DEVELOPERS. AND, STOP THE SPENDING. I DON'T THINK, WHILE IT MIGHT BE REALLY A GREAT THING TO HAVE PARKS AND TO BUY EXTRA LAND, I DON'T THINK OUR GOVERNMENT HAS ANY BUSINESS BUYING LAND RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE MAY WELL BE ON THE VERGE OF YET ANOTHER RECESSION. WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A CRASH IN THE HOUSING MARKET VERY SOON. SO, INSTEAD OF MAKING POLICIES BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, LET'S LOOK FORWARD A BIT AND LOOK PAST THE MAJOR MEDIA PROPAGANDA AND PROTECT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THANK YOU.

>> I'M SUSAN, JENNIS AND I LIVE IN COASTAL HIGHWAY. I THINK THAT TRANSPARENCY WOULD BE GREAT ON THIS. I ALSO JUST THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC IDEA, AND I'M SO EXCITED THAT YOU'RE BRINGING THIS IDEA BACK. AND, I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GO AHEAD AND GO FORWARD WITH IT. I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL, IDEA.

>> THANK YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO CONCUR, TOO, THAT THIS PROJECT GIVES ME GREAT HOPE WHEN I GO THROUGH AND I SEE CLEAR CUTTING, I THINK, YES, BUT, I KNOW THAT WE'RE SAVING A SWATH OF WILDERNESS LAND THROUGH THE COUNTY. THIS IS SO IMPORTANT. I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF OUR MENTAL HEALTH AS WELL AS EVERYTHING ELSE. SO, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> YES, I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO SAVE THIS FOR COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, BUT IT'S ABOUT LAMP, SO, WE GET ABOUT $500,000 EVERY

YEAR FOR THIS? IS THAT CORRECT? >> I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT

>> AND I WAS THINKING THAT'S REALLY HARD TO BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR $500,000 HERE. SO, I HAD AN IDEA. YOU READY, MIKE?

>> WELL, I'M VERY RECEPTIVE TO YOUR IDEA, BUT, I WILL SAY A LOT OF TIMES AND HENRY, YOU KNOW THIS, WHEN THERE'S INITIAL SEED MONEY FOR LAND ACQUISITION, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS INTERESTED IN THAT SAME PARCEL FOR THE SAME REASONS, AND MONEY STARTS TO COME IN. THERE'S A WILL THE OF MATCHING FUNDS AVAILABLE FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES, HENRY, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ELABORATE ON THIS.

>> THE HISTORY OF FLORIDA, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ACTIVE IN ENVIRONMENTAL LAND ACQUISITION, BREVARD COUNTY AND OTHERS, THERE ARE MATCHING GRANTS AVAILABLE AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL THAT

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EXISTENCE. >> IN FACT, 77% OF RESPONDERS CONSIDER LAND PRESERVATION VERY IMPORTANT. AND THE ONLY IDEA THAT I HAD, BESIDE TAX MONEY, WHAT IF YOU MADE IT A VOLUNTEER DONATION, SO, ON YOUR TAX, MAY BE, $5, YOU CHECK THE BOX, AND WHOEVER'S INTERESTED IN IT PAYS AN EXTRA 5 OR $10 INTO THE LAMP FUND WHENEVER YOU PAY YOUR TAXES. I DON'T KNOW, MAY BE WE GET MORE MONEY TO BUY MORE LAND AS WELL AS IT'S MORE VOLUNTEER AND ALSO WE'RE NOT USING AS MANY TAX DOLLARS.

>> I LIKE THAT IDEA. >> THAT WAS MY IDEA AND I LOVE

A CONSENSUS. >> IT'S LIKE ROUNDING UP, YOU

KNOW. >> I LIKE THAT, STAFF, MAY BE, COME BACK IN THE YEAR FUTURE AND DISCUSS A PROPOSAL, THAT'S ALSO, THAT HAPPENS IN SEVERAL OTHER COUNTIES WHERE THEY CHECK THE

BOX. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE FUN,

TOO. >> YEAH.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. VERY GOOD. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT OUR MEETINGS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND WE ADVERTISE THAT THEY ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, ANYBODY'S WELCOMED TO ATTEND, THEY KNOW THE TIME, LOCATION, AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO, AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT PUBLIC FOLKS COMING IN, SOME FROM ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHERS ARE JUST PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS AND EVEN OTHER LANDOWNERS THAT MIGHT HAVE A PARCEL OF LAND THAT THEY WANT US TO CONSIDER. IT'S AN OPEN FORUM AND A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS

AFTERNOON. >> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A

MOTION. >> I JUST HAVE A COUPLE, I WANT TO CLARIFY, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH THE $500,000

FUNDING? >> NO. WE'RE APPROVING THE PRIORITY PLAN HERE, I ASKED I WANT THE VOLUNTARY DONATIONS LIKE CHECK THE BOX FOR RESIDENTIAL RATES, I GUESS.

>> SO, THIS WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO?

>> YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THIS AGENDA ITEM MOTION.

>> AND ALSO, A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS, THEY WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT WE TELEVISE THIS MEETING, AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD AND TDC, LORENA CAN YOU SPEAK TO CHALLENGES OF TELEVISING EVERY MEETING, I KNOW THERE'S STAFF TIME AND MONEY INVOLVED. CAN YOU SPEAK TO

THAT? >> YES, MR. CHAIR, THE REASON WHY WE ONLY TELEVISE MEETING HERE IN THE AUDITORIUM IS BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE OUR TV EQUIPMENT IS INSTALLED. WE DON'T HAVE ANY CAMERAS OR ANY EQUIPMENT INSTALLED IN ANY OTHER MEETING ROOMS THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO LIVE STREAM THE MEETINGS.

THAT'S THE REASON. >> THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT

UP. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE LAMP CONSERVIZATION BOARD PROPERTY EVALUATION FORM.

>> SECOND. >> CHAIR: WE HAVE A MOTION

AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. >> AND THAT PASSES 5-0.

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK. WE

APPRECIATE IT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I POSE A

QUESTION? >> BACK TO YOUR FOLLOWUP TO

YOUR QUESTION? >> CHAIR: YES, SIR.

>> IS THERE A LOGISTICAL REASON OF HOLDING THE LAMP BOARD MEETING IN THIS AUDITORIUM AND TELEVISING IT, IS THAT A PROBLEM

IN ANY WAY >> WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT OUR CALENDAR, COMMISSIONER, AND SEE IF WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THE

[8. 202 3 Roadway and Transportation Alternatives List of Priority Projects (LOPP)]

>> AS A COMMISSIONER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE I THINK THE LAMP MEETINGS ARE AS IMPORTANT AS THE OTHER MEETING THAT WE SHOW ON TV AND HOLD IN HERE, SO, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT, I JUST WANTED TO CHECK AND SEE IF EVERYONE'S IN

AGREEMENT. >> SURE. I THINK IT'S WORTH

LOOKING INTO. >> CHAIR: OKAY. ONTO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT. MR. D'SOUZA. I'M PRESENTING OUR LOPP GENERATED

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LAST YEAR WE MET ON NOVEMBER 18TH. WE MEET WITH BOTH COUNTY STAFF, OTHER JURISDICTIONAL STAFF AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE PUBLIC IN ATTENDANCE AS WELL. WE VOTE THROUGH CONSENSUS ON THE LIST OF RANKINGS, IT GENERALLY REMAINS UNCHANGED YEAR TO YEAR, AS PROJECTS ARE FUNDED, THEY MOVE OFF. WE'RE LOOKING TO GET FUNDING THAT CONSIST OF THE HIGHWAY PROGRAM, THE REGIONAL PRIORITY PROJECTS, AS WELL AS THE LOCAL PRIORITY PROJECTS, THE SECOND GROUPS IS THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES WHICH INCLUDE TRAILS, MULTIUSE PATHS AND SIDEWALKS AND THE SIDEWALKS TO SCHOOLS PROGRAM PROVIDED TO STAFF BY THE SCHOOL BOARD. AND THEN, WE HAVE A MAP OF ALL OF THESE PROJECTS AND WE HAVE A LIST OF 19 REGIONAL PROJECTS AND 16 LOCAL PROJECTS. THEY'RE DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, THE PRIMARY ONES IN THE TOP FIVE FOR REGIONAL PROJECTS ARE STATE ROAD, THE EXTENSION OF THAT THROUGH THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND COUNTY ROAD 209 AND IMPROVEMENTS ON A 1 A, AS WELL AS THE WIDENING OF STATE ROAD 16. AND LOCAL PRIORITIES WE HAVE SOUTH DIXIE HIGHWAY, KING STREET, U.S. 1 IMPROVEMENTS FOR SIDEWALKS AND ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK PROJECT ON STATE ROAD A 1 A AND THOSE ARE ARE THE TOP FIVE FOR THOSE TWO. NEW THIS YEAR ON THE LOCAL PRIORITY INCLUDES PINE ISLAND ROAD AT THE ENTER SECTION OF U.S. 1 AS WELL AS INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ON STATE ROAD 16. THAT'S ALL ENCOMPASSING ON THE ENTIRE STRETCH OF ROADWAY ON THE COUNTY WHETHER THAT BE ON THE TWO-LANE SECTION FOR THE FOUR-LANE SECTION WHERE WE KNOW WE HAVE CONSTRAINTS WHERE THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY IS AND THE LARGE UPS FACILITY WHICH IS LOCATED THERE. AND THEN, THE FIRST MAP WAS JUST THE REGIONAL, THIS IS THE LOCAL. AND, THIS IS JUST THE LIST FOR BOTH OF THOSE, AND THEN, I HAVE THIS ONE. THEN WE HAVE OUR TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES PROJECTS. THIS INCLUDES OUR MULTIUSE TRAILS ALONG THE RIVER SEA COAST AND ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM THE DUVALL COUNTY LINE, AND ACROSS THE BRIDGE INTO THE COUNTY AND THEN WE HAVE A LONG LIST OF SIDEWALK TO SCHOOLS. THESE ARE AREAS THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD RECOGNIZED AS GAPS WITHIN THEIR SIDEWALKS TO GET CHILDREN TO THEIR SCHOOLS, IN LIEU OF BUSING THE STUDENTS, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SAFELY TRAVERSE PASSABLE TO THE SCHOOLS. THAT'S WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS GIVE TO THE COUNTY PER THEIR STATUTORY MANDATES. THE ONLY TWO NEW ONES THAT WE HAVE IS THE 16 AND FOUR MILE ROAD INTERSECTION. ONE OF THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS KEYED IN. SO, WE'RE JUST REQUESTING APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD TO BE TRANSMITTED TO THE ETBO AND OF COURSE, ANY CHANGES THAT YOU AS THE BOARD

WISH TO MAKE TO THIS LIST. >> ANY FEEDBACK

>>I NEVER TALK, RIGHT? [LAUGHTER] SO, NUMBER 15.

I MET WITH THE GROUP CITIZENS ON THE PINE ISLAND ROAD THAT CONNECTS TO U.S. ONE.

AND THEY CONTINUED TO ATTACH TO THAT ROAD. SO NOW, EVERYBODY'S FINDING AS THE BACK ROAD OUT AND ALSO THE CUP BACK INTO NOT GET TEA AND IT'S BECOME SUPER DANGEROUS BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS THERE AND THEN YOU ARE GOING 55¤5 ON U.S. ONE.

SO, SOMEONE WILL TURN OFF TO THE RIGHT ALL THE SUDDEN YOU ARE REAR-ENDED.

SO, I THINK THERE'S BEEN ONE DEATH IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS AND SEVERAL ACCIDENTS BECAUSE OF ÃÃIT JUST DOES NOT GO TOGETHER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN READ IT UP HIGHER TO GET IT SIGNALIZED. I DID SPEAK TO GREG ALSO, RIGHT? ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LESS EXPENSIVE IF THE TWO ROADS HAD LINED UP, BUT THE ROAD ON THE OTHER SIDE DOES NOT LINE UP SO, THAT'S WHAT MADE IT A LITTLE

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MORE EXPENSIVE. >>MR. DESOUSA, HOW DOES THIS GET ESTABLISHED? IS IT IN TERMS OF PRIORITY OR SOMEBODY ADDED IT TO THE LIST OR ÃÃ

[INDISCERNIBLE] >>SO, THERE IS A MIX. IT IS PRIORITIZE NATION OF THOSE BROADER ROWS 312 AND 313 AND 2029. AS A LARGE PASSING ROAD IN THE COUNTY THAT REMAINS A HIGH PRIORITY.UST BECAUSE THEY OFFER ALTERNATIVE ROUTES TO SOME NEGATIVE ROADS AND U.S. ONE. THESE TWO ARE JUST THE ONES ÃÃ THIS LIMIT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE MEETING AND THE LAST STAFF MEMBER AND PUBLIC.ERE IS ANOTHER NEED THAT SHOULD BE PRIORITIZE. IT IS HONESTLY CIVILITY DOT SHOULD BE ABLE TO FUND SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS. SO, IT IS A COMBINATION OF BOTH. STAFF SAY THESE ARE CURRENT PROJECTS PAIRED ONES THAT WE ARE KEEPING MY ON EITHER THROUGH PERMITS OR RECOGNIZES AREAS OF ECONOMIC DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAVE ONGOING OR BECOMING. SO, IT IS A MIX OF BOTH.

I THINK. >>THANK YOU MR. DESOUSA.S THERE ANYTHING ELSE OR

QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT? >>AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL

HEAR PUBLIC, ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. >>GOOD AFTERNOON.

>>WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

NOT BY A LONG SHOT. AND I WANT TO COMMEND HENRY DEAN BECAUSE HE WAS THE ONLY ONE A FEW YEARS AGO IT WAS A 4Ä VOTE AT PRIOR BCC. AGAINST DUBLIN AFFAIRS ON THE COA BOXES OR JUNCTION BOX. THE SUNSHINE BUSES THAT REALLY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.

IT'S TAKE FROM US AND IT DOES NOT REALLY HELP PEOPLE GET FROM HERE TO THERE.

SO, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE AN AUTOMOBILE TO GET FROM HERE TO THERE.

SOMETHING LIKE WE HAD IN SAINT AUGUSTINE WITH THE TROLLEY SYSTEM.

IT WAS SCRAPPED. THE TRUST VIOLATIONS AND CORRUPTIONS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. THEY SCRAPPED TROLLEY SYSTEMS SO THAT THEY COULD BUILD ROADS.

IN ROAD BUILDERS ARE VERY POWERFUL LOBBY AND PRODUCE POWERFUL CAMPAIGNS.

I THINK IT QUITE ENOUGH ROADS AND THERE'S AN ARTICLE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES THAT JUST WAITING HIGHWAYS NECKLACE OFF YOUR TRANSPORTATION ISSUE. YOU NEED TO CHANGE PEOPLE'S ABILITIES TO GET HERE AND THERE. NOW, I APPLAUD THE EFFORT IN THE SIDEWALKS.HAT'S A VERY GOOD MOVE, BUT WE NEED TO PUT MORE MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR MASS TRANSPORTATION FOR PEOPLE TO RIDE A BUS AND TAKE A TROLLEY.

AND ONE OF THE ELEMENTS IN THE DRAFT IN SAINT AUGUSTINE STORE IN LEGISLATION IS TROUBLING.

FUNDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BEEN PART OF THE TOURISM HERE THAT YOU CAN ALSO ÃÃSOMEBODY LIVING IN ANASTASIA ISLAND. TAKE A TROLLEY TO DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE ON 228. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A GREATER AMOUNT OF PLANNING.

THE GREATER AMOUNT OF THOUGHT. AND LESS IS NOT AUTOMATICALLY HAVE MONEY TO ROAD BUILDERS.

IT'S DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. IT'S DESTROYING OUR PLANET. AND IT'S TURNED PARADISE INTO A PARKING LOT. AND IT'S HIDEOUS WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH ALL OF THIS ROADBUILDING.

AND YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO BETTER. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK Y'ALL TO GIVE SOME MARCHING ORDERS TO THE COUNTY STAFF TO REPORT BACK ON HOW WE INCREASE.

MASS TRANSIT.OW DO WE INCREASE THE TRANSIT? AND THE ANSWER IS NOT THE COA BUSES. WE NEED A CONTRACTOR ON THEM AND WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO HAS EXPERTISE IN TRANSIT SYSTEMS. I USED TO ARGUE WITH KATHY BROWN KATHY BROWN ABOUT THIS ONCE YEAR. SHE GOT THE COA ON THE MOON. AND THE SUNSHINE BUSES WERE JUST PERFECT. THE ROUTES DON'T GO WHERE THEY GO.

IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE AND MASS TRANSIT OUGHT TO BE FREE. IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THEIR CARS AND COME TO WORK OR SCHOOL OR CHURCH THE MASS TRANSIT ÃÃLIKE WERE DOING ALL

OVER THE COUNTRY. THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU MR. SLATER.

MR. WILLIAMS? >>HELLO.

[INDISCERNIBLE] GOOD TO SEE AGAIN. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.

[LAUGHTER] SPEAKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION Ã ÃI'VE BEEN HERE FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE EVEN LONGER. MANY A TIMES. AND OBVIOUSLY I REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF FLAGGER STATES THROUGH THE CRA AND ARE TRYING TO DEVELOP INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROGRAMS THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS. AS YOU KNOW ÃÃFLAGLER STATES ARE GROWING RATHER QUICKLY. AND WE ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT KEEPING PACE WHEN IT COMES TO

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CORRECT ME FROM WRONG. EITHER SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO AS I RECOLLECT.

I'M STARTING TO LOSE THAT, YES. BUT IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. IT WAS BETTER THAN THEY THOUGHT, BUT I NOTICED THAT ON THE LIST OF TRANSPORTATION NOW WE HAD THAT SLIDE THEY CAN PROBABLY SEE WHAT IT MEANS. IN TERMS OF THE 305 EXTENSION GOING DOWN COUNTY ROAD 213.

BUT IT'S NOW 13 ON THE LIST. AND I WAS A LITTLE SENSITIVE THAT WE WENT FROM 6Ä3 THINKING WELL ÃÃWE ARE DOING SO MUCH BETTER AND BUILDING AND GROWING SO MUCH FASTER.

OUR IMPORTANCE IS GETTING COLD. SO, I AM HEARTENED THAT AT LEAST SUGGESTING ANOTHER STUDY ÃÃTHAT IS NOT THE FIRST STUDY THAT WE'VE DONE. AND I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT THE ALIGNMENT OF THAT ROAD IS DIRECTLY TOWARDS WHAT I CALL HEINOUS AVENUE.

WHICH IS THE INITIAL ROAD IN THE FLAGLER STATES ORIGINAL. NITIAL STREET.

I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TALK TO ROAD PLANNING IN REGARDS TO EXTENDING 305 RIGHT DOWN THE FLAGLER STATES. IT JUST MAKES THAT MUCH SENSE. PEOPLE WHO BUILD FLAGLER STATES, THE MORE SENSE THAT THAT COMES. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>ANYONE ELSE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT?

[INDISCERNIBLE] >>HELLO, I'M SALLY O'HARA AND I AM A 50 YEAR RESIDENT OF ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY. 525 KINGS ROAD. AND I'M INTERESTED IN A ONE 1/4 GOES FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS. VARIOUS COMMUNITY GROUPS, INCLUDING FRIENDS OF ANYONE I, BEACH MAINSTREET NORTH SHORE IMPROVEMENT ASSOCIATION, AND WITH BETWEEN THE ACTIONS IN SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH. SPECIFIC ASSOCIATION, MARINE IN GROUPS AND I SUPPORT HIS THINGS TOO. I'M HERE TO IMPLORE YOU TO RETAIN THE BALL ON A BEACH ON THE PRIORITY LIST AND THE NUMBER TWO RANKING. AT THE TAGG MEETING THE OTHER DAY. IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO LOWER THE RANKING.

KIND OF LIKE WHAT MR. WHITE EXPERIENCE WITH HIS RANKINGS. I SPOKE UP AND SAID NO.

HELL NO. BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ACTIVITY FOR A GOOD 10 YEARS PLUS. TO GET A TRAIL ON THE NY PHOTO AND TRAFFIC SAFETY REASONS.

FOR QUALITY OF LIFE REASONS, CONNECTIVITY TO THE TOWN CENTER ÃÃAND THE PRESIDENT WANTED.

A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WANTED. SO, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A PD AND EE STUDY.

PERFORMED BY THE F DOT AT THE TALLAHASSEE LEVEL AND WE NEED TO RETAIN THE RANKING AT THIS TPO RANKING TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR THE FUTURE AND ENHANCEMENT OF THAT CORRIDOR.

AND THAT IS WHY I'M HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PRIORITY INFERENCE IS ON TODAY, WHICH IS FROM ALANA NORTH TO THE SOUTH QUANTITY DROUGHT AND LESSER SO, TO BE MORE DIFFICULT TO CONDUCT WANTED TO PONTEVEDRA. BUT, IT SHOULD BE RETAINED ON THE LIST.

AND YES, I SUPPORT YOUR LOOP CONTINUING THAT'S THERE. THANK YOU.

>>THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING THAT, NO MORE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >>BACK ON THE BOARD. I JUST WANT TO SAY A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT THE POBLANO TRAIL. I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH JOEL AND CAROL ANDERSON ABOUT THE TRAIL AND AS THE BOARD MEMBER OF THE TPO, I MENTIONED THAT TRAIL TO THE TPO AND I MENTIONED IT TO THE REGIONAL COUNCIL. WE'RE GONNA BE AS GOOD AN ADVOCATE AS WE CAN TO GET THAT DONE. BELIEVE WITH IN GREAT HANDS, DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSIT AND ALL KINDS OF ÃÃ TAKE PRESSURE OFF THOSE ROADS AND ENHANCE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.

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SO, THE FUNDING IS BECOMING GREATER TOWARDS THE EFFORT. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NEVER TO BE ENOUGH. BUT, THEY ARE WORKING TO THE END.

COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >>YES, I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO MR. WILLIAMS POINT.

I CAN UNDERSTAND OUR SITUATION IS FLUID AND WE HAVE TO KIND OF MOVE THINGS AROUND SOMETIMES.

BUT I AM A LITTLE TROUBLED BY THE FACT THAT THREE OR FIVE EXTENSION HAS FALLEN THAT FAR

DOWN ÃÃI DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE POSSIBLY HIGHER. >>ONLY SHED SOME LIGHT.

I THINK A COMMUNITY THAT PUTS SOME FOLKS DOWN THERE DID NOT WANT TO SAY THAT MOVING FORWARD. OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERYBODY FEELS THAT WAY, BUT I THINK THERE IS NOT A MEETING OF THE MINDS OF THE PERSON WHO'S THERE. COMMISSIONER, [INDISCERNIBLE] THERE ARE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT.

IN PARTICULAR PROJECT. SO AGAIN, AS A MEMBER OF THE TPO ÃÃI SAY IT.

UNDER HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE IN ALL MY DISTRICTS AND [INDISCERNIBLE]

>>ABSOLUTELY, NO. >>IS THIS THE TIME STAFF TO JUGGLE THE LIST?

[INDISCERNIBLE] YES SIR. >>THIS IS THE TIME ÃÃYES SIR.

>>EVEN THOUGH I NO LONGER SERVE THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA ALONG STATE ROAD 16.

IDP, THAT WAS NOT ÃÃDAMPEN OR REDUCE MY EXCITEMENT AND NEED TO GO FORWARD WITH THE CORRELATED. AND I FEEL SO STRONG ABOUT IT THAT I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE BORDERLINE OF 16 UP TO NUMBER FOUR TO NUMBER ONE. AND THEN THE THREE LEAPFROG'S WOULD BE MOVED DOWN ONE SPOT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO VOTE ON, AS I UNDERSTAND IT ÃÃSTATE ROAD 16 FOR LANDING IS NUMBER FOUR AND REGIONAL PRIORITY

PROJECTS TO PRESENT, IS THAT CORRECT? >>YES SIR.

>>I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE. >>I SEE THAT WE HAVE COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WANTS TO SPEAK. SOMEBODY DOES WANT TO SPEAK, BUT WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE ANY REASON WE SHOULD

NOT MOVE FORWARD TO THE SECOND? >>I JUST HAD TO CLARIFY A QUESTION FOR THE MOTION IF I

MAY. >>YES SIR. >>COMMISSIONER, WAS THAT MOTIONED TO MR. DEAN TO MOVE NUMBER FOUR UP TO ONE? AND ALSO AS PART OF THE SAME MOTION TO APPROVE THE LIST FOR TRANSMITTAL TO DOT? OR WAS THAT

[INDISCERNIBLE] >>THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE MY MOTION OR I WOULD MAKE MY

MOTION TO DO THAT. >>IF I MAY HELP, I THINK WE MAY WANT TO HEAR FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE SUGGESTIONS BEFORE YOU MAKE A SUGGESTION TO PROLONG THIS.

>>I MEAN, CERTAINLY OTHER COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE CALL FOR A MOTION, BUT I JUST WANTED

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. >>YES SIR. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM

COMMISSIONER DEAN. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >>SECOND.

>>WE DO HAVE A SECOND PEER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >>SO, MY A1 A GROUP IS NOT GOING TO LIKE TO BE MOVED DOWN TO NUMBER THREE. THEY ARE SO HAPPY TO BE A NUMBER THREE BECAUSE THEY WAITED FOREVER FOR THIS TO BE THERE AND IT'S ARTIE IN THE WORKS AS WE SPEAK. SO ÃÃWHAT HAPPENS TO THAT? I MEAN, WE JUST MET WITH THEM LAST WEEK AND THEY ARE SO EXCITED THAT THEY ARE NUMBER THREE.

WE REALLY HAVE THE PLANS AND Ã ÃI WILL JUST SAY THIS ANECDOTALLY.

EVERYTHING IN OUR TOP THREE PROJECTS ÃÃTHOSE ARE REAL NEEDS.

THOSE ARE DESPERATE NEEDS. FOR THE COUNTY. >>I HAVE TO REPRESENT THEM SO

IT'S D4 AND [INDISCERNIBLE] >>TO CLOSE COMMISSIONER.

[LAUGHTER] >>MY MOTION PASSES. WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT NUMBER

FOUR. >>NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FOUR? >>SURE.

>>WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? SO ÃÃJUST TO CLARIFY BEFORE WE TAKE THE VOTE, THIS IS JUST TO MOVE AND AFFIRM OF THE REGIONAL PRIORITY FUNCTIONS UP TO NUMBER ONE? I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS MOTION

WOULD INCLUDE THE WHOLE LIST. >>WAS MY UNDERSTANDING [INDISCERNIBLE]

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>>THESE SUGGESTED AND SAID THERE SOMETHING I COULD DO IF I CHOSE AND I DID CHOOSE WITH MY MOTION WOULD BE TO MOVE FOR UP TO ONE AND THE OTHER THREE DOWN AND APPROVE THE LIST AS AMENDED. THAT WAS MY MOTION. IS THAT WHAT YOU SUGGESTED?

>>THE WAY THAT THE MOTION IS CURRENTLY PHRASE MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS WOULD COVER THE WHOLE ITEM. IF THIS MOTION PASSES. SO æ

>>IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, PLEASE VOTE.

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>>ALL RIGHT, THAT PASSES 4Ä. CONGRATULATIONS COMMISSIONER. >>I'M HAPPY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN

DO. >>COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >>SO, CAN I MOVE NUMBER 15

HIRED TO NUMBER FOUR? >>COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, WE JUST HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE LIST.

>>THE PRIORITY PROJECT? THAT'S A DIFFERENT EXCEPTION. SORRY.

>>THAT'S WHY WANTED TO CLARIFY. NOT ONLY NUMBER FOUR, BUT THE WHOLE LIST.

THANK YOU MR. DESOUSA. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DEAN.

WE MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. >>GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

JOSEPH, I AM THE ASSISTANT TO HEALTH AND SERVICES. I QUICKLY WANT TO GO THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION THIS AFTERNOON. WE HAD A LONG DAY ALREADY.

BEFORE I DO THAT, I HAD AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION FOR THE WEEKEND.

AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING. AGAIN, THIS IS A STAFF OBJECTIVE REPORT. WE TRIED TO REPRISE CLARITY TO THE BOARD ON THIS ISSUE.

THE BROAD REPORT. SO, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE ALL THE ISSUES THAT THEY BRING YOU TODAY. BUT AS ALWAYS, WE ARE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH INFORMATION FOR YOU.

HAVING SAID THAT ÃÃALL PHA'S ARE DIFFERENT. THEY ALL OPERATE THEIR OWN LITTLE NUANCES BUT THEY ALL OPERATE SMALL BUSINESSES IF YOU WILL.

AND I WAS TOLD THAT I NEEDED TO MENTION THAT BEFORE I BRING MY PRESENTATION SO ÃÃI JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND BEFORE YOU MOVE ON. AS YOU REMEMBER ÃÃAUGUST 2, 2022 ÃÃTHE BOARD REQUESTED A PRESENTATION BY STAFF TO GO OVER THE FORMATION ABOUT PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY. I KIND OF CONSIDER THIS A SECOND PART TO THAT REQUEST.

HE RECEIVED A REPORT FROM MR. WILLIAMS AND MR. ACKERMAN ON AUGUST 2. THAT WAS COVERED PRIMARILY IN HISTORY AND HOW HOUSING AUTHORITIES ARE BOTH FOR AS WELL AS YOU KNOW, WITH THE ROLE HAS BEEN. PRETTY MUCH SINCE THE 1950S AND 40S.

STAFF HAS ASKED TO RESEARCH AND PRESENT THE FOLLOWING. SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF THE PHA'S AND FLORIDA HAVE RECEIVED FEDERAL HOUSING IN THE DEVELOPMENT HOURS.

BECAUSE THERE WAS ASSISTANCE ON THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. RESEARCHING ANY HIGH REGULATIONS THAT GIVE ASSISTS OR BUILDING TO ACQUIRE GRANTS TO HOUSING AUTHORITIES ON A HIGHER LEVEL. AND THEN TO PROVIDE SOME ALTERNATIVES TO CONSIDER SUCH AS CREATING A TRADITIONAL HOUSING AUTHORITY AND REVIEWING THE BEST PARTS OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. FOR THE COUNTY MORE THAN THE PROPERTY.

TURNING INTO THE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP WITH MANAGERS OR BUILDERS.

AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE WERE TO RETAIN OUR CURRENT STATUS OR STATUS QUO IF YOU WILL. RATHER THAN BREAK DOWN THE REPORT IN THIS WAY, ALTHOUGH WE DO DO IT ON THE SUBHEADINGS. I'M GOING TO INTERTWINE A LOT OF THESE DIFFERENT ISSUES AS I ROLL THROUGH THIS. AGAIN, RATHER QUICKLY. THIS IS BASICALLY AN EXPLANATION OF THE ROLES OF PHA'S. IN THE PAST, THERE WAS A LOW-RENT HOUSING PROGRAM. THERE AUTHORITY INSTRUCTION IS INDICATED BY STATE LAWS.S I MENTIONED PERTAINS TO THE COUNTY. AND PHA'S TYPICALLY HAVE AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IN A GOVERNING BOARD OF THOSE APPOINTED BY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. IT INDICATES THAT THE COUNTY WOULD OFFICIALS APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR. AGAIN, THIS IS A QUICK RUNDOWN OF THE ACTIVITIES. THE PHA'S TYPICALLY INVOLVED IN.

THE DOCTOR PROGRAM LOCALLY. THEY WORK WITH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC ENTITIES TO DEVELOP LOCAL AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS. THEY TYPICALLY PROVIDE THE WAY THEY DO WITH SECTION 8 AND HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER PROGRAMS. THEY EVALUATE PLANS SEEKING 25-YEAR-OLD PLANS AND SOME OF THEM ADMINISTER LOCAL HOUSING PROGRAMS. VERY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GONE OVER. AS WE COVERED BOTH WITH OUR HFA'S AND OUR AHACK.

PHA IS NO LONGER ADMINISTER PUBLIC HOUSING. SO, YOU ONLY SEE A FEDERAL HOUSING PROJECT THE WAY YOU SAW TRADITIONALLY IN THE PAST. I THINK SOME OF THE EXAMPLES WERE WITH SOME MEETINGS WITH YOU ALL AND SOME OF THE OLD ONES REMEMBER FROM CHICAGO AND THAT SORT OF THING. [INDISCERNIBLE]

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>>WHOOLPS. BASICALLY PHA STATE FUNDED THROUGH FEDERAL FUNDS.

INVESTED INCOMES THAT ARE USED TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN PUBLIC HOUSING.

AGAIN, THEY WOULD OPERATE THE WAY A SMALL BUSINESS WILL OPERATE.

I DID MENTION THE SIX PROGRAM. THEY NO LONGER EXIST, BUT THERE WAS AN APPOINTED PROGRAM THAT WAS PRIMARILY USED IN URBAN AREAS TO REHABILITATE CIVIL DISTRESS AND PUBLIC PROPERTIES.

AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE SOMETHING TO ALL OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH IS LEVERAGING NEXT DEVELOPMENT. WE SAW SOME OF THIS WITH OUR LOCAL HFA'S.

SOME OF THEM NONPROFIT HAVE COME INTO EITHER REQUEST DOLLARS OR EVEN SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUNDS. TO KIND OF LEVERAGE AND FINANCE THE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE ALL WORKING ON. THANK YOU. AGAIN, THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF FEDERAL FUNDING LEVELS. THIS IS ALL INFORMATION IS FROM HUD.

DO NOT BUDGETED AMOUNTS. THESE ARE JUST SIMPLY DOLLARS THAT ARE CRUDE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND POURED DIRECTLY INTO A HOUSING AUTHORITIES ON THE WEBSITE.

MOST OF THESE HOUSING AUTHORITIES ALL HAVE MUCH LARGER BUDGETS THAN THIS.

BUT THESE ARE DOLLARS THAT AGAIN, GO RIGHT TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY FROM THE FENCE.

I LISTED AN EXAMPLE. I'M LOOKING TO GO TO THAT POINT BY POINT, BUT IT DOES ESSENTIALLY GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF INFORMATION THAT WE GET FROM JACKSONVILLE HOUSING AUTHORITY BASED ON THE INTERVIEWS THAT WE HAD IN THE PAST. WE DID TALK TO ABOUT 7Ä5 HOUSING AUTHORITIES I ASSUMED. IN THE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TRADITIONAL HOUSING AUTHORITY ÃÃAS I NOTED BEFORE, THERE WAS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT ÃÃBUT THEY DO OPERATE IN THE COUNTY. PHA BOARDS HAVE A LIAISON OR A SINGLE COURT NUMBER.

FROM OUR RESEARCH ÃÃI THINK THAT WE WOULD FIND JUSTICE ON SECOND.

I GOT A LITTLE TWISTED UP. LET'S SEE HERE. I'M GOING OUT RIGHT OFF THE SCREEN HERE. I WILL TALK ABOUT THIS ON THE SLIDES.

THEY SHOULD HAVE A BOARD AND THE BOARD BY THE GOVERNOR. WE SEE THE MONEY TO GET STARTED. THESE ARE VERY BASIC NUMBERS. THEY ARE NOT NUMBERS THAT I HAVE FULLY VETTED. THIS IS JUST FROM TALKING TO EDIE'S AND PHA'S AS WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THE HOUSING AUTHORITY STARTED. YOU COULD SEE WHAT IT WOULD BE TO BUILD A SMALL FACILITY WERE TO RUN THE OFFICE SPACE AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. I'M GOING TO GO BACK UP REAL QUICK HERE. TO HAVE THESE THINGS ARE READY. HE COVERED HIS PRESENTATION ON AUGUST 2. I SHOULD NOTE THAT INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THIS PIECE BY PIECE THAT TYPICALLY THESE THINGS ARE BASED ON AN AWARD HERE. SO, I WOULD SAY YOU HAVE UNSAFE AND HOW WELL YOUR ACCOMMODATIONS THAT EXIST IN THE COMMUNITY OR SHORTAGE OF SITE OR SANITARY ACCOMMODATIONS. I THINK THROUGH OUR MEETINGS Ã ÃI THINK IF ONE WERE TO BE BRIEFED HERE, IT WOULD BE LEVERAGED ON THE SHORTAGE OF THE ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] GOING BACK TO SOME OF OUR ALTERNATIVES HOUSING AUTHORITY ÃÃANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO ABIDE IN NEIGHBORING PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY. PERHAPS THROUGH DEFAULT OR JACKSONVILLE OR ONE OF THE OTHER COUNTIES OVER THERE. ADJACENT TO US TO EXPAND THEIR SERVICES IN THE SAME COUNTY.

AGAIN, SOME SORT OF MONEY WOULD BE NEEDED, BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE LESS BECAUSE THEY WOULD EARLY HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO DISTRIBUTE, RUN, PROGRAM AND ADMINISTERED THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO NEED TO NEIGHBOR OR AMEND THEIR CURRENT FIVE-YEAR PLANS FROM WHATEVER COMMUNITY WAS FROM AS WELL AS TAKE LOCAL INPUT TO MAKE THESE PLANS AND IMPLEMENT THEM [INDISCERNIBLE] ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ALSO ASKED US TO LOOK AT, WHO IS DIFFERENT PARTNERSHIPS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT REALLY DOES FOR YOU. BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE.

AGAIN, REALLY NOT ATTEMPT TO HELP YOU RELATE TO HOW PHA'S OFTEN WORK OR OPERATE.

WHERE WE DEPLOY GRANT FUNDS AND SEEK DEVELOPMENT BOTH WITH OUTS THE COMMUNITY AND WE WORK LATERALLY WITH GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES. SOME OF THE PROJECT THAT USE

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ALPHA OMEGA. WE'VE DONE SOME WORKING WITH THE GRANTS.

WE DO EXTENSIVE WORK WITH THE HOUSING PROGRAM AND PARTNERSHIP.

LOOKING AT THE CURRENT STATUS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH US AND WE HAVE TO DEVELOP A FORMAL HOUSING IS OUR CURRENT HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY.

OVER HERE AT THE HELPING SERVICES BUILDING. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE BONDS IN AN EFFORT TO LEVERAGE FINANCE OPPORTUNITIES TO AGAIN DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IN OUR HOPE IS THAT THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WILL NOT ONLY HELP FIND DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES AND COLLABORATIONS OUT THERE. BUT THAT PERSON CAN DO TO DEVELOP FORMAL HOUSING.

SOME RECENT SUCCESSES FROM OUR HFA TO INCLUDE DEVELOPMENT AND REVOLVING PROPERTIES IN THE CROSSING IN SAN MARCO HEIGHTS IN THE WORKS AT ST. JOHN'S. WITH SECTION EIGHT LEVERAGED CP GTD DOLLARS. AS WELL AS VICTORIOUS CROSSING. AGAIN, THE QUESTION OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE DID NOT DO MUCH OF ANYTHING OR STAYED AT THE STATUS QUO IN THE PRESENT MOMENT? I CAN TELL YOU THAT SINCE 2016, THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT HAS PLAYED A KEY ROLE IN PLANNING DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF OVER 700 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. AND SINGLE-FAMILY REHABS. TYPICALLY THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT IN ITS CURRENT FORM ASSISTS WITH POLICY IMPLEMENTATION AND A COUPLE THINGS THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN WAREHOUSING DESIGNATION AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. AS WELL AS THE IMPACT AND DEFERRALS PRIMARILY WITH THE ABILITY OF THE HOUSING PROJECT. OUR OFFICE HAS A HOUSING COUNSELING PROGRAM AND IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE SUCCESSUL ONES IN THE STATE. OUR HOUSING COUNSELORS ARE MINIMALLY FUNDED. SHE RECEIVED MORE ACCOLADES FROM ANYBODY IN OUR OFFICE BUT SHE DOES A TREMENDOUS JOB OF WALKING PEOPLE THROUGH THAT SPACE AND HELPING WITH OTHER FINANCE OPPORTUNITIES. AND SHE WORKS HAND-IN-HAND WITH THEM AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THEM. AND REALLY IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET PEOPLE IN THE HOUSES HERE LOCAL IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. OUR SOCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR LOCAL GRANTS HAVE BEEN USED FOR UTILITY ASSISTANCE WITH THAT.

AGAIN, PEOPLE WITH A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD AND IT USUALLY TEMPORARY ASSISTANCE AND AFTER PEOPLE GET CAUGHT UP THEY ARE ABLE TO FIND A DIFFERENT JOB Ã ÃTHEY CAN MOVE UP THE LADDER LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THEY GET ASSISTANCE FROM US. ALSO ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE OF CURRENT REHAB PROGRAM THAT'S BROUGHT TO THE HURRICANE MATTHEW DOLLARS WHICH IS RESTORATIVE OF ST. JOHN'S PROGRAM. THERE ARE OVER 100+ REHAB PROGRAM FOR NOW. AND SINCE THE LAST 20 SOME ODD YEARS, THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN REHABILITATION A SUBSTANDARD HOUSING.

PRIMARILY IN THE MEMBERSHIP PROGRAM AND THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN MUCH GREATER THAN IT HAS IN THE PAST. THINK WE ARE ABOUT 1.2 THIS YEAR.

SO, WE'RE REALLY HAPPY THAT THE GOVERNMENT SIGNED OFF ON A BUDGET THAT LET US KEEP FOLKS IN THE HOUSE, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE CHEAPEST WAY OF A FORMAL HOUSING.HAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO OFFER. IF YOU WANT ME TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK OR HAVE ANY OTHER DIRECTION OR GETS MORE QUESTIONS, I KNOW WE HAVE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT LIKE TO

SPEAK, I'M HAPPY TO DO SO. >>MR. CON, THINK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

[INDISCERNIBLE] DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS BEFORE YOUR PUBLIC

COMMENT? >>AT THE TIME THE PUBLIC BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS FRANK WILLIAMS.

>>I LIVE AT 51 RIVERVIEW RISE. IN A HOUSE THAT COMMISSIONER DEAN LIVED IN AT ONE TIME.

>>COULD NOT AFFORD IT! [LAUGHTER]

>> >>I HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS. HE AND I AND DAN ACKERMAN ARE COMMUNICATING OVER THE WEEKEND AND UNFORTUNATELY PART OF HIS PRESENTATION INCLUDES COMMENTS

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I WOULD NOT SUGGEST THAT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY OPERATE IN A PUBLIC HOUSE PROGRAM.

MODERN HOUSING AUTHORITY ACTIVITIES INCLUDE A MUCH WIDER VARIETY THEN SHOWN.

THEY INCLUDE MULTIFAMILY, REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AND SELF AND DEVELOPING PARTNERSHIPS TO FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYER AND FUNDING GRANTS. RETAINMENT FROM CITIES, COUNTIES, STATES, OTHER GOVERNMENT SOURCES SUCH AS HHS AND THE DA AND PHILANTHROPIC SOURCES AND VOUCHERS. LEVERAGING OF VOUCHERS IS VERY SIGNIFICANT.

ANY BANKER WITH LOAN MONEY ON A HOUSING VOUCHER WITH THE 30 YEAR GUARANTEE SO THAT YOU COULD LEVERAGE THOSE AND BUILD MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSES. ACQUISITIONS AND DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE TO OTHER DEVELOPERS AND APPROPRIATIONS OF TARGETING SUCH AS WORKFORCE HOUSING Ã HOMELESS PREVENTION TESTERS SENIOR ASSISTANCE, JOB TRAINING THE SUBJECT THREE ÃÃMODERN HOUSING AUTHORITY OFTEN MANAGE OR ARE INVOLVED IN OTHER FEDERAL CRIMES AS WELL AS SUCH AS CBG, HOME LIT, LOW INCOME HOUSING FOR [INDISCERNIBLE]

DOJ CRIME PREVENTION CAN ALSO ASSIST LOCAL COMMUNITIES. >>SIR, WE'VE ONLY GOT THREE

MINUTES FOR EVERYBODY. I APOLOGIZE. >>LET ME ASK IN THE ABSENCE OF THE CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN. ESTHER WILLIAMS ÃÃTHREE YEARS.

>>THREE YEARS. HE IS A RENOWNED EXPERT NATIONWIDE.

HAVING CARED IN DECEMBER AND HOUSING AUTHORITY. HE'S REALLY BEEN PROVIDING GREAT INFORMATION ON SOME LEVEL AND I'VE REQUESTED THAT HE BE GIVEN AN ADDITIONAL THREE

MINUTES. >>'SINTEREST IN THIS ISSUE. >>I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT.

MR. CHAIR? >>NO PROBLEM, THANK YOU. SEE YOU AROUND.

>>AS REPRESENT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND THE STATE LEGISLATURE SINCE 1972.

SINCE 84. AND WE ONLY HAVE 35,000 AT A TIME.

WHOEVER THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE IN THIS COUNTY.

ANYWAY ÃÃI CAN ALSO ASSIST LOCAL COMMUNITIES AND HOUSING POLICIES AND ENFORCEMENT AND LORD AND INCENTIVES.HE FUNDING SHOWN FOR FEDERAL SOURCES SHOWS OTHER HOUSINGS AUTHORITIES IS SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTER, THE BUDGET SHOWS. ESPECIALLY 70 MILLION+.

THE CREATION OF HOUSING AUTHORITY IN FLORIDA SHOWN AN EMPHASIS ON JUST UNSANITARY.

THE SHORTAGES ARE NOTHING OF HIMSELF. I THINK SHORT OF A PETITION BY A FEW THAT CAN LAUNCH A HOUSING AUTHORITY. AND I HAVE PETITIONS WITH A LOT OF SIGNATURES ÃÃLOCAL CONTROL BY THE COUNTY. IT'S AN ISSUE, I KNOW.

SINCE THE GOVERNOR WOULD APPOINT WOULD APPOINT MEMBERS. I'VE TALKED TO SENATOR HUDSON AND HE IS WILLING TO SUPPORT THE BILL THAT A LOCAL BILL THAT WOULD ALLOW THE COUNTY COMMISSION TO POINT THE MEMBERS MOVING FORWARD. LET'S SEE.

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THE DECLARATION OF HOUSING EMERGENCY IS DUE TO THE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND OTHER IS BECOMING MORE COMMON IN YOUR REGION. IT'S CLEAR THAT CERTAIN TELEPHONES ARE NOT ARRIVING IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY DUE TO A LACK HOUSING AUTHORITY.

THE CREATION OF ONE CLARITY AND HAS PARTNERSHIPS WITH EXISTING ENTITIES.

ONE THING THAT IN CREATING A HOUSING AUTHORITY ÃÃWE DON'T TAKE MILLION DOLLARS.

FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPLY OFFICE SPACE FOR SUCH AN AGENCY. IN FACT, THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE HAS A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THE CREATION OF A HOUSING AUTHORITY ALONG WITH THEIR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN

VISOR E COMMITTEE PLUS YOUR HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY. >>THANK YOU SIR, THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >>THANK YOU ALL. >>GOOD AFTERNOON.

THROUGH FOR INDISCERNIBLE] [INDISCERNIBLE] AND EVERYTHING THAT HE SAID AND EVERYTHING THAT HE WILL SAY. LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE FOLKS. AND NEED FEDERAL FUNDS. GET THEM.

WE NEEDED PHA. THIS IS NOT MAYOR DALEY'S PHA CHICAGO IN THE OLDEN DAYS.

THIS IS BEYOND THE DHA. THE PHYSICAL PLANT THAT HELPS PROBLEMS LIKE [INDISCERNIBLE] THIS WILL GET US TO WHERE WE CAN GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO THE WAY WE LIKE IT AND GET MULTIPLES OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR IN FUNDS IN HERE TO WORK WITH THE ST. JOHN'S HOUSING PUBLIC CHARITIES WHILE EVERYBODY ELSE WORKING ON HOUSING ISSUES. I TALKED TO HOUSING INSPECTOR LAST YEAR WITH COMMUNICATION TO INSPECT THE PLACE IN HASTINGS. IT WAS DAMAGED BY ONE OF THE HURRICANES.

SHE SAID THAT SHE COULD NOT BELIEVE PEOPLE WERE STILL LIVING THERE.

I THINK MAYBE AFTER WE IMPROVE THE PHA SOMEBODY OUGHT TO REFER BACK TO WHAT KENNEDY DID WHEN HE WITH ABOLITION IN KENTUCKY IN VARIOUS PLACES WHERE PEOPLE WERE IN POVERTY HE SOLVED HOUSING CONDITIONS FIRSTHAND. I KNOW Y'ALL DID. COMMISSIONERS, YOU BEEN TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND THE TESTIMONY EARLIER TODAY THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ABOUT PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO SUPPORT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY BECAUSE THE PRICES WERE TOO EXPENSIVE. SO THE FINDING OF THE HOUSING EMERGENCY LIGHT SUPPORT AND ANYTHING YOU OFTEN DO TOGETHER OUT SUPPORT AND ENDORSE. I TOTALLY SUPPORT THIS

[INDISCERNIBLE] NEW TO PHA, THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >>GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS NIKKI PEPPER.

I'M A REPRESENTATIVE FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE AND I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY ADVOCATES FOR REPARATION. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE HERE.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF NEW COMMISSIONERS SO, WHATEVER MAN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER ABOUT THE INFORMAL SPECIFIC INDEPENDENT ACTION GROUP WHO CAME IN TO SAINT AUGUSTINE AND CONVERSATION. CURRENT PURPOSE TO SERVE BLACK AND OTHER UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES SAINT AUGUSTINE TO IDENTIFY RESOURCES AND LINKING THEM WITH COMMUNITY NEEDS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS. INCREASINGLY, LOWER OR EVEN MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES ARE FINDING THEMSELVES IN UNDERSERVED ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THIS IS A LARGE CONTRIBUTOR FOR FORMAL HOUSING PRICES. THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRICES MIGHT BE GROWING, BUT THAT'S NOTHING NEW. OUT DISAPPOINTED RECENTLY TO SEE IF IT WILL OF THE COUNTY STAFF PRESENTATION ON 41 HOUSING PRICES BACK IN 2018 PAIRED THERE WERE SEVERAL GOOD IDEAS RAISED FOR THE DISCUSSION COULD BUT MOST OF THEM HAD NOT BEEN IMPLEMENTED YEARS LATER.

HIS COUNTY CAN IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM, DESCRIBE THE PROBLEM, DISCUSS THE PROBLEM, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE UNWILLING OR UNABLE TO TAKE MUCH MEANINGFUL ACTION TO SOLVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRICES. THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT NOTHING IS BEING DONE.

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YOU KNOW? THE COUNTY SPONSOR IN SAINT MICHAEL AND VICTORIA CROSSING PROJECTS. OFFER OVER 200 UNITS OF VISIBILITY HOUSING IS WORKING WITH THE QUEST AUGUSTINE STEERING COMMITTEE ON VILLAGE WEST AUGUSTINE, WILL PROVIDE OVER 90 HABITATS GREAT STUFF WORKING WITH THE FOLKS IN WEST AUGUSTINE.

AND ALPHA OMEGA MIRACLE HOME IN ST. JOHN'S. BUT THE AUTHORS OF THIS STUDY COUNTY CONTRACTOR SUB YEARS AGO FOUND THAT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WOULD BE THOUSANDS OF UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING YEAR TO INVEST IN OUR GROWING COUNTIES PROBLEM.

IF YOU ADD UP ALL THE PROJECTS, HE WOULD NOT GET 2000 AND THEY ARE TAKING OVER PLACES IN MULTIPLE YEARS. RISING RENTS IN HOUSING PRICES ARE THE REASON FOR THE CRISIS.

SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES SPEAK TO THE HUMAN IMPACT OF THIS CRISIS ON OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS AN IMPACT ON ALL OF US WHETHER OR NOT WE RECOGNIZE IT OR NOT. PEOPLE IN SYNC COUNTIES MAY IMPACT YOUR CHILD OR GRANDCHILD LITTLE LEAGUE TEAM OR YOUR HAIRDRESSER OR THE RECEPTIONIST IN YOUR DOCTOR OR DENTIST OFFICE OR CNA WHO TAKES CARE OF YOUR AGING PARENTS. ANYBODY HAVE A FAVORITE RESTAURANT THAT CLOSED LAST YEAR? UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING IMPACTFUL TO ADDRESS THE CRISIS, OR THIS COUNTY. IF WE WANT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TO BECOME NOTHING MORE THAN THE GIANT BEDROOM COMMUNITY FOR JACKSONVILLE, WE NEED YOU TO DO MORE. WHY ST. JOHN'S IS ONE OF ONLY THREE COUNTIES THAT DOES NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY PRE-GIVEN THE MAGNITUDE OF THE CRISIS, THIS MAKES NO SENSE.

WE NEED A HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THE NEW TOOLS AND ACCESS FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE ESTABLISH ONE FOR ALL OF US.

THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >>HELLO. I'M DWIGHT MILLER.

COULD THE SEAWALL. AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY AND ALSO I LIVE IN 1107 MACARIO DRIVE IN ST. JOSEPH'S BEACH. I REPRESENT THEM WELL.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT. IT IS SOME INTERESTING INFORMATION THAT I HAVE GOTTEN FROM THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TO BUILD 700 AFFORDABLY UNITS OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS. OUR NGOS ARE WALKING AWFUL HARD.

THEY ARE SERVING LOW-INCOME HOUSING RESIDENTS. THE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB WITH FUNDRAISERS AND GRANDSON VOLUNTEERS AND CREATIVE COMMITMENT AND SERVICE.

THEY TRY TO HELP OUR CITIZENS WHO ARE ON HOUSE. BUT AS YOU HEARD FOUR YEARS AGO, WE NEED 1000 NEW AFFORDABLE USE UNITS. IT'S UNREALISTIC TO EXPECT IT TO BE DONE BY THE NGOS, WHO ON A GOOD YEAR TO 20 AND 60 AFFORDABLE UNITS.

IF WE GIVE THEM A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY. THEY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO BIGGER AND BETTER GRANTS THROUGH HUD. THEY WILL ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO RENT VOUCHERS.

THE PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY WILL NOT COMPLETELY SOLVE OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROBLEM, IT WILL BE ABLE TO HELP IMMENSELY. FOUR YEARS HAVE PASSED AND THE PROBLEM TODAY IS SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER THAN IT WAS IN 2018. EVERY DAY, EVERY WEEK, EVERY MONTH THAT WE DELAY IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY COMPOUNDS THE PROBLEM MAKING A SOLUTION INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT. THERE IS SIMPLY NO BETTER SOLUTION TO OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS THAT A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY. PLEASE ACT TODAY AND VOTE TO APPROVE THIS HOUSING AUTHORITY AND HISTORIC DECISIONS THAT WILL FOREVER HONOR YOUR COLLECTIVE WISDOM AND PUBLIC SERVICE. THANK YOU.

>>THANK YOU SIR. WELCOME. IRVIN BULLET, 37 DAYS COASTAL

HIGHWAY SAINT AUGUSTINE. >>THREE OR FOUR YEARS IN AUGUST I HEARD THAT YOU NEEDED 23Ö4 HOURS DOLLARS PER HOUR TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTY. I THOUGHT REALLY? WELL, LET ME SHOW YOU WHY THAT'S TRUE. I DID THIS AFTER MY FRIEND WALT WARREN CLARK DID A BUDGET. I SAT DOWN AND DID A BUDGET AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IN THE SECOND COLUMN WITH THE $17 AN HOUR JOB ÃÃWHAT YOUR TAKE-HOME PAY IS.

IT'S 580 HOURS A WEEK OR $2460 A MONTH. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR BUDGET YOUR

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YOUR INCOME IS 2004 60. THE RENT IS 417. WHEN THEY WANTED SO.

LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM. AND THE AVERAGE RENT PER ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS 1900 24 DOLLARS PER 1000 34 SQUARE FEET. WITH A HIGH IN THE AREA.

IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THE OTHERS Ã ÃI'VE GOTTEN JACKSONVILLE AND GREEN COAST BRINGS DOWN AND

COLLECTED IS VERY CLOSE TO GREEN COAST IN THE FIGURES. >>THERE ONLY THREE PERCENT OF ALL THE RENTAL UNITS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IN THIS LOW IN THE SLOW GROUP OF 1000 TO $1500. THREE PERCENT OF ALL OF OUR RENTAL UNITS IN THAT GROUP.

CERTAINLY PAYING ABOUT $1700 IF YOU GO BACK UP TO THE BUDGET FOR YOUR RENT.

YOU'RE GONNA PAY 150 ABOUT FOR YOU AND UTILITIES. I THINK I'M LOWBALLING ON A LOT OF THESE. WE REPENT MAYBE 25 OR MORE FOR YOUR PHONE.

YOU PAY $70 FOR YOUR CONSCIENCE A MONTH. AND 100 OR 150 ON YOUR GAS DEPENDING ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE TRYING TO COMMUTE TO PALATKA FOR GRANT).

YOU CAN BE PAYING 25 Ã$75 ON CLOTHING.

YOU NOT CAN BE BUYING VERY MANY PAIRS OF SHOES OBVIOUSLY. OUT OF THAT TESTIS WERE LEFT WITH $390.75. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LEFT WITH TO LIVE ON.

AND YOU DIVIDE THAT BY 30 DAYS. AND YOU GET $13.03 A DAY. IF YOU HAVE THREE PEOPLE IN THE FAMILY. TWO CHILDREN IN A SINGLE-PARENT ÁAT $4.34 A DAY TO LIVE ON.

YOU GOTTA EAT ÃÃYOU GOT IT TAKE CARE OF YOUR HEALTH CARE ALL OF YOUR INCIDENTALS.

SO, YOU REALLY CANNOT LIVE ON A JOB THAT PAYS $17 AN HOUR. AND YOU'RE HARD-PRESSED TO FIND

A JOB. >>THANK YOU MISS BULMAN. >>THANK YOU.

>>HI AGAIN. THIS IS STEPHEN RATES PASTOR AT THE ST. JOSEPH'S UNITED METHODIST CHURCH. I AM AT 3401 KINGS SIDE ROAD ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

I'M ALSO STANDING HERE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPROVE THE PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY RECOMMENDATION. IN ADDITION TO WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD SOLVE OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS, I'M NOT THAT IT'S BIGGER AND IT'S MORE COMPLEX ISSUE. THE CREATION OF JOBS IS ENCOURAGED AS WELL.

I THINK OF AS BOTH SOLUTION. AND THIS ALONG WITH THE CREATION OF GOOD AND WELL-PAYING JOBS IS GOING TO HELP OUR FAMILIES THAT ARE STRUGGLING TO STAY IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY. THERE IS A DEEPER CROSS THAT I WANT TO SPEAK TO AS WELL AS WE KEEP ON AVOIDING DOING THIS IMPORTANT WORK TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS IN THE COUNTY.

AND THAT OF COURSE IS THE WEIGHT THAT WE WOULD INCREASE PRICES MORE FAMILIES THAT REQUIRE THESE RESOURCES FROM OUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES AND HEALTHCARE TO CRIME AND MORE INCARCERATION JUST TO NAME A FEW. YESTERDAY I WAS AT THE LIST OF COMMISSIONER JOSEPH FOR MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY AND THEN I HEARD FROM THE DEPAUL COUNTY SCHOOLS SUPERINTENDENT AND SHE TALKED ABOUT THE RATE OF ILLITERACY FROM WORKING-CLASS FAMILY PARTICULARLY FAMILIES OF COLOR AND THAT IT WAS REALLY SAD AND ABOUT 40 PERCENT RATE COMPARED TO IF YOU LOOKED AT THE WHOLE PICTURE THAT INCLUDED PEOPLE WITH ME WHICH IS AROUND CLOSE TO 60 TO 70 PERCENT THAT IS RECEIVED. OPEN KIDS AND FAMILIES TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES TO HAVE TO CHANGE SCHOOLS ALL THE TIME AND HAVE TO UPROOT THEIR FAMILIES WHILE THE FAMILY SUPPORT THEM IN EDUCATION AND INCREASING THEIR LITERACY "WILL HELP OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY. SO, I WANT TO GIVE THANKS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE SPOKEN AND WILL SPEAK BY LEARNING THE GREAT IMPACT OF THIS ISSUE. AND YOU KNOW FAR MORE ABOUT THE TECHNICALITIES THAT I DO. AS A PASTOR, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THAT'S NOT THE ESSENTIAL ISSUE FOR HEALTH AND WELL-BEING. ST. JOHN'S COUNTY CITIZENS.

>>THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>KIM? >>HI, SUSAN JANICE, 4280 COASTAL HIGHWAY. I SENT ALL OF YOU AN EMAIL YESTERDAY URGING YOU TO APPROVE THE PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY WE ARE SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE FRANK WILLIAMS AS RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO US AND I REALLY TRUST THAT HE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY. ESPECIALLY ABOUT HOW MUCH IT

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I AGREE THAT THE SHORTAGE IS WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE PARTNERSHIPS AND I'M GOING TO READ SOMETHING FROM A FRIEND OF A FRIEND WHO COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY.

OKAY? THIS IS FOR IT'S NOT MINE. OKAY? AS A RESIDENT OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WE SPENT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME WORKING WITH CHILDREN FROM ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES I'VE LONG BEEN AWARE OF THE TRANSIENT FAMILIES ENTITLED ONE IN SCHOOLS CAN BE. HOWEVER TESTIS AFTER HAVING CHILDREN OF MY OWN WHO ATTENDED TITLE I SCHOOL AND NEVER FULLY REALIZE THE IMPACT SUCH A HOUSE SHIPS CAN HAVE NOT ONLY ON FAMILY'S WELL-BEING FORCED OUT OF THEIR HOMES AND DUDEK COST INCREASE WENT TO THE STUDENTS WHO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS THOSE FAMILIES.

FORMING BONDS AND CLASSROOM COMMUNITY INDISCERNIBLE] OVER THE COURSE OF THIS YEAR Ã ÃI'VE HEARD MY PERSONAL CHILDREN SHARE WITH ME THEIR SADNESS AND LOSS OF HER CLASSMATES MOVING TO A NEW SCHOOL. AND AT FIRST I WAS UNAWARE OF HOW THIS TRULY IMPACTED THEM. BUT AFTER THE THIRD OR FOURTH STUDENT MOVING INHERENT MY YOUNGEST EXPRESS SEVERE SADNESS, I REALIZED IN THE GREAT IMPACT AND LACK OF A PORTABLE HOUSING IS HAVING ON OUR SCHOOL COMMUNITIES AS A WHOLE.

BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS AND IN THE CLASSROOM COMMUNITY IS AT THE VERY CORE OF DRIVING NURTURING CLASSROOMS. I BEGAN TO IMAGINE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS FOR TEACHERS TO DO THAT WHEN STUDENTS ARE COMING AND GOING FROM THEIR CLASSROOMS. IT BREAKS MY HEART TO HEAR MY YOUNGEST CHILD SHOW THIS DEEP LOSS ABOUT LOSING A CLASSMATE, BUT A FRIEND BECAUSE THEY ARE MOVING.T BURNS ME EVEN MORE THAT THE STUDENTS MOVING OR LOSING THEIR ENTIRE CLASSROOM FAMILY AND SCHOOL COMMUNITY. TO MY CHILD AND MIGHT MIGHT BE ONE OR TWO FRIENDS. BUT TO THE FRIENDS MOVING DUE TO LACK OF FORMAL HOUSING, AS THEIR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. IMAGINE THE IMPACT I COULD HAVE ON A CHILD WHEN HE OR SHE HAS TO MOVE REPEATEDLY BECAUSE HOUSING COSTS CONTINUE TO INCREASE IN THIS COUNTRY.

COUNTY. NOT TO MENTION THE ECONOMIC GAPS OF SOCIAL AND EMOTIONAL HARDSHIPS THAT FOLLOW. AS NELSON MANDELA STATED TESTIS CHILDREN ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE CITIZENS IN ANY SOCIETY SO, I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS AND THEIR COMMUNITIES MAKING DECISIONS THAT WILL IMPACT OUR SCHOOLS AND THUS, OUR SOCIETY AS A WHOLE. PLEASE ESTABLISH PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY IN THE INTEREST OF ALL THIS ESPECIALLY THE CHILDREN IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THANK YOU.

>>THANK YOU. I'M BILL AZAR. REPRESENTED AT THE ST. JOHN'S HOSPITAL. WE ARE ALL HOPING THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER STARTING AND I WILL POINT OUT JUST LIKE IN CONSTRUCTION SOMEBODY MADE BY A LOT TODAY.

AND IT'S MOSTLY 18 MONTHS. BEFORE SOMEBODY MOVES INTO THE HOUSE.

WE NEED YOUR HELP DOING THIS YOU NEED TO GET ANOTHER TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX.

PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITIES AND BEING AN END-ALL BE-ALL EFFECT. BUT IF ANYTHING HELPS US BRING ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO BE SET UP FOR.

THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS FINALLY HIRING AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WITHOUT BEING MAJOR STEP FORWARD. THEY COULD HELP WITH THE PLANNING AND OVERSIGHT OF BRINGING SOMEBODY ONTO THE PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY. AND THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE NEED. THERE ARE GOING TO BE OTHER RESOURCES.

UNAWARE THE GONNA COME FROM YET. BUT THE ENTIRE NATION IS LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOT ANY HOUSING FOR PEOPLE AND IF YOU JUST RELY ON SUPPLY AND DEMAND TESTIS IS NOT TO CREATE HOUSING. NIIGATA HAVE SPECIAL WAYS TO DO THAT. AND TO A LARGE DEGREE ÃÃTHAT IS WHAT I THINK IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR THE FORMAL HOUSING PEOPLE ALWAYS THINK OF. EITHER CHARITY OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND IT'S REALLY JUST BULL. IT REALLY JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY YOU'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE MOMENT.

BUT WE'VE GOT GROUPS LIKE FLAGLER HOSPITAL WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN TALKING TO ALL.

ABOUT THEY ARE NOT SHORT THEY ARE NOT EXPANDING IF THEY CANNOT SEE THEY CANNOT SEE PRESENT HOUSE FOR STEPHANIE Ã JUST ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY IN THE STATE, BUT WE ARE ALSO WAITING ON PEOPLE WHO EXPECT TO HAVE GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE YES IF THEY WANT TO GO TO RESTAURANTS. THEY WANT TO MOW THE YARD. THEY WOULD HAVE SOMEWHERE TO BUILD THEIR HOME AND AT SOME POINT OUR LABOR FORCE STRUGGLING TO HAVE CAPACITY TO DO THAT AT ALL LEVELS. AND I THINK LAST QUARTER WE HAD THREE RESTAURANTS CLOSED? IN LARGE PART I THINK BECAUSE THEY CANNOT STAY OPEN FOR BREAKFAST LUNCH AND DINNER AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE NEED FOR A COUNTY THAT STILL PRIDING ITSELF ON HAVING A MAJOR TURNED ECONOMY. WE CANNOT LOOK AT OTHER WAYS I DON'T THINK THEY NEED $1 MILLION TO GET STARTED. THEY MIGHT NEED 300,000. MATT OFFERED TO THEM AS A LOAN

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AND THINK OF AS SEED MONEY. THINK OF IT AS YOU HIRE THE RIGHT PERSON, THEY WILL WORK HARD AND WILL BRING SOMEONE INTO WHAT YOU NEED. THANK YOU.

>>THANK YOU BILL. >>HI, I'M JEANNIE MILLER 235 WOODWARD DRIVE.

AND I HAVE THE DISTINCT PLEASURE OF BEING THE CHAIR OF THE HOMELESS COALITION BOARD.

AND WE DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. WE WORK WITH THE MOST HONORABLE FAMILIES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. OUR FRIENDS ARE ANYWHERE FROM 500 Ã$800 A MONTH.

WITH THE 20 FAMILIES THAT WE CURRENTLY HELP. AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT EVERY DAY WE ARE GETTING TELEPHONE CALLS FROM SINGLE MOTHERS AND SINGLE FATHERS WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE IN THEIR CAR THEY CANNOT FIND SOMEWHERE TO LIVE.

THE SAD PART ABOUT IT IS THAT WE ÃÃPRIOR TO COVID ÃÃWE HAD AN 85 PERCENT SUCCESS RATE IN MOVING OUR FAMILIES TO MORE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. HOWEVER, 54,000 DOLLARS IN INCOME THAT THEY HAVE TO MAKE TO EVEN GE INTO AN APARTMENT BUILDING.

SO, NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE PEOPLE UP AND OUT.

I'M VERY SORRY THAT OTHER AGENCIES THAT WORK WITH THE HOMELESS ARE NOT HERE TODAY.

THEY ARE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM. CAN TELL YOU THAT THE HOMELESS COALITION HAS FOUR EMPLOYEES FOR ALL OF OUR FAMILIES. AND ALSO OUR OFF-CAMPUS FOLKS.

AND THREE OF THEM DO NOT LIVE IN THIS COUNTY. IF YOU LOOK AT SAINT AUGUSTINE SERVICES, 45 PERCENT OF THEIR EMPLOYEES DO NOT LIVE IN THIS COUNTY.

HAVING BEEN IN THE MOSQUITO CONTROL COMMISSION UNTIL DECEMBER 31 OF THIS YEAR, I DID A SURVEY OF OUR FOLKS. MANY OF WHOM MAKE $54,000 A YEAR.

AND A GOOD 47 PERCENT OF THEM DO NOT LIVE IN THIS COUNTY. IT'S ABSOLUTELY TIME FOR US TO DEAL WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES. OTHERWISE, ALL WE'RE GONNA HAVE IS A WHOLE LOT OF RICH RETIRED PEOPLE, WHO DO NOT HAVE TO WORK, BUT STILL WANT SERVICES AND THEY ARE NOT GONNA BE THERE. LAST NIGHT AT 6:30, 6:45, MY HUSBAND AND I DECIDED THAT WE WERE GONNA GO OUT TO EAT. WE STOPPED AT TWO RESTAURANTS.

THEY WERE ALREADY CLOSED. THEY WERE NOT SELLING DINNER. HAT IS ABSOLUTELY

UNACCEPTABLE IN A TOURIST TOWN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>THANK YOU.

>>HELLO AGAIN. DORIS TAYLOR. 208 LABILITY ROAD.

[INDISCERNIBLE] I'VE NO DOUBT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE THEIR ENDS MEET. IT'S HAPPENING HERE FOR SURE. AND IT'S HAPPENING ALL OF THE COUNTRY AS WELL. WE ARE LIVING IN EXCEPTIONAL TIMES WHERE THE PRICES OF EVERYTHING IS THROUGH THE ROOF. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CHOOSING NOT TO WORK.

SO, THE SERVICE AND SERVICE JOBS ARE HARDER AND HARDER TO FILL BECAUSE THE PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHOOSE NOT TO WORK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE MOVED BACK HOME AND ARE CONTINUING TO LIVE IN THEIR PARENTS BASEMENTS.

SO, YES, WE DO HAVE AN ISSUE. IT'S NOT SPECIAL IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT WORSE HERE THAN IN OTHER PLACES PUBLICLY.

AND THAT QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE SOLUTION AND WHETHER OR NOT CREATING ANOTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO SOLVE ANYTHING. RARELY DO I FIND THAT CREATING

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LET'S DO IT WITH NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS THAT ACTUALLY ARE SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING INSTEAD OF A WHOLE LOT OF RED TAPE. THAT'S GONNA SUCK UP A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY AND MONEY.

TAXPAYER MONEY. SO, FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS NECESSARILY A SOLUTION.

I HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING AS IF THIS IS GONNA BE THE END ALL BE ALL.

I DOUBT IT. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT. SO, I THINK BEFORE YOU CONSIDER AND BEFORE YOU VOTE TO DO THIS THING ÃÃI THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT A LOT OF HARD FACTS.

THROUGH A LOT OF SOFT FEEL-GOOD COMMENTS HERE. BUT LET'S SEE, HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD ACTUALLY COME IN FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND FEDERAL SUBSIDIES THAT WE COULD ACCESS BY CREATING THIS THING? AND HOW MUCH IS IT ACTUALLY GOING TO COST? WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO ACCOMPLISH? LET'S SEE SOME CLEAR GOALS.

AND LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER COUNTIES WERE SIMILAR THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE ACTUAL RESULT WAS. BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION OUT OF THIS BOARD PLEASE.

>>THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU. >>WELCOME.

>>I'M JOSEPH ÃÃ1097 [INDISCERNIBLE] BEACH.

THE PAST YEAR KIND OF STOLE MY LINE. I WAS AT BREAKFAST YESTERDAY ALSO AND 40 PERCENT OF BLACK CHILDREN ARE ILLITERATE IN DEVOL COUNTY.

THEY MOVED UP AND 30 PERCENT TWO YEARS AGO AND 40 PERCENT THEY HAVE TITLED ONE AND ALL THIS MONEY GOING IN THERE AND THEY STILL HAVE NOT DONE A DAMN THING WITH IT.

SAME THING GOES HERE. TO THIS BOARD. YOU GIVE UP CONTROL TO PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY AND YOU'VE GIVEN UP MONEY THAT IS COMING AND YOU'VE GIVEN UP YOUR CONTROL OF ALL OF THIS MONEY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO GO TO PEOPLE AND HOUSING.

IT DOES NOT GO THERE. IT GOES TO WASTE, GOES TO THE BUREAUCRATS.

IT GOES TO THE SWAMP. THE OTHER THING THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT, WHEN YOU CONSIDER PUBLIC HOUSING ÃÃYOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME METRICS OF THIS. WHO'S GOING TO? IT'S GOING TO GO TO BLACK PEOPLE OR BROWN PEOPLE OR ÃÃ THE VETERANS ARE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LOST THEIR INCOME? I HEARD JOE SAY ONE METRIC THAT DETERMINES WHO GETS PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY AND DOES THAT GO TO LOW INCOME PEOPLE OR PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS OR PEOPLE THAT ARE VETERANS THAT NEED THE MONEY? SO, I THINK YOU NEED TO DO A LOT OF THINKING BEFORE YOU ACCEPT SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND GIVE UP CONTROL TO ANOTHER LAYER OF BUREAUCRATS WHO ARE JUST GONNA TAKE THAT ONE. THANK YOU.

>>THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?

SAYING NONE, I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >>WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >>SO, I GUESS YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE I'M GOING TO GO WITH THIS. I'M JUST GONNA TELL A LOW STORY HERE.

I RECENTLY MET A YOUNG PERSON A PUBLIC SUPERMARKET. SHE WAS STOCKING AND I'LL WHEN I ASKED IF SHE KNEW WHERE I COULD FIND RICE CRACKERS BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER LOVES THE RICE CRACKERS. WHEN THE BROAD SMILE, SHE GLADLY GIVE ME AN ANSWER AND INSISTED IN DROPPING WHAT SHE WAS DOING AND TAKING ME TO THE AISLE.

WHERE THE RICE CRACKERS WERE LOCATED. SHE TOOK THE RICE CRACKERS OFF THE SHELF AND WITH THE SAME SMILE ASKED IF THAT IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

I TOLD HER IT WAS AND AT WHICH TIME SHE PLACED IN MY CAR. AND THEN THANKED ME FOR SHOPPING AT THE STORE AND ALLOWING HER TO HELP ME. IMMEDIATELY I ASKED IF SHE COULD QUICKLY TELL ME HER STORY OF WORKING AT THE STORE. WITH HER GENUINE SMILE OF GLEE, SHE SAID PARAPHRASING OF COURSE SURE, I'M 19 YEARS OLD, I STARTED WORKING HERE ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN I GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL. I RENT ONE END OF A HOUSE TRAILER WHERE I LIVE. I THE BEST JOB IN THE WORLD AND HONESTLY, I LOVE MY JOB.

EVERYBODY HERE IS GREAT AND THE PEOPLE THAT I WORK WITH AND THE CUSTOMERS.

THIS PLACE IS PERFECT. THINKING ABOUT THIS KID PUTS A SMILE ON MY FACE.

THIS IS THE REAL AMERICA. THIS IS THE AMERICA THAT WAS BUILT ON HARD WORK, SACRIFICE, AND THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING IN IT TO GET SOMETHING OUT.

IT IS THE IDEAL AMERICA EFFORT EQUALS RESULTS. AND WHEN I LEFT I WENT TO FIND THE MANAGER TO TELL HIM ABOUT THIS OUTSTANDING EMPLOYEE. GUESS WHAT I FOUND.

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IF THESE PEOPLE COULD SET THE EXAMPLE FOR THE COMMUNITY, IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO SUPPORT THEM AND PROVIDE LEADERSHIP BY EXAMPLE. PROVIDING GOVERNMENT-SUBSIDIZED OR FREE HOUSING IS NOT EVER GOING TO ENCOURAGE INDEPENDENCE, SELF-ESTEEM, OR RESPECTED BASIC PRINCIPLES OF PRODUCING AN HONEST DAYS WORK FOR AN HONEST DAY'S PAY.

THERE ARE 300,000 PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY. I HAVE RECEIVED ONLY 30 EMAILS.

AYBE 50 IN SUPPORT OF PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY. WHERE IS 1000? IF SAINT AUGUSTINE ONE STEP OF PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY, THERE IS A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE THAT CAN DO THAT. BUT IN OUR COUNTY, OUR TEAM, JOSEPH OVER THERE, OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES PROVIDING ASSISTANCE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND YES, GETTING GRANTS SUCH AS HUD AS WE USE TO OPEN VICTORIA HEIGHTS AND SANTA MARTA.

WE HAVE AVAILABILITY HOUSING. OUR AVAILABILITY IS PUTTING THE NEEDS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TOGETHER BY MANY DIFFERENT CREATIVE PARTNERSHIPS. I DO NOT AGREE WITH ADDING ANOTHER LAYER OF GOVERNMENT. I FEEL THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE A VERY NARROW PLACE IN OUR LIVES. TO TAKE THIS TO ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE AND ANOTHER LAYOUT OF GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACY WOULD BE WASTING YOUR HARD-WORKING TAXPAYING DOLLARS SUCH AS FROM THE HARD-WORKING GIRL AT PUBLIX. AND THAT IS NOT FAIR.

SO, I REALLY DO NOT SUPPORT A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY AND I THINK OUR COUNTY CAN JUST DO AS GREAT A JOB AS HOUSING AUTHORITY WOULD DO. THANK YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER DEAN? >>WELL MAYBE OR MAYBE NOT SURPRISINGLY.

I'M GOING TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE COMMISSIONER WITH YOUR POSITION.

AND I SAY THIS IN ALL RESPECT BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE. FIVE OF US, NOT ONE.

SO WE WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND POSITIONS. WITH THAT SAID ÃÃST. JOHN'S COUNTY HAS THE ÃÃONE OF THE HIGHEST MEDIAN PRICES FOR HOMES IN THE ENTIRE STATE.

$550,000 WAS THE MEDIAN PRICE FOR A HOME. WE HAVE WORKERS, HONEST, HARD-WORKING GOOD PEOPLE THAT CANNOT PURCHASE A HOME OR RENT AN APARTMENT IN THIS COUNTY.

THEY ARE FORCED TO DRIVE 30, 40, 50 MILES TO AND FROM WORK PAYING ANYWHERE FROM 3SS DOLLARS A GALLON FOR GAS THAT THEY CANNOT AFFORD. AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE SUCH A SHORTAGE.HAT IS WHY THE Ã THIS ONE OF THE LEADERS OF THE NORTH DRUMMOND AND ONE OF THE LEADERS AT FLAGLER HOSPITAL AND THE CHAMBER PRESIDENT MET WITH ME LAST WEEK.

I THINK THAT'S WHY IT MIGHT'VE BEEN WITH SOME OF YOU AND EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT IT IS DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO PUT A LOT OF MONEY AND COMMITMENT INTO EXPANSION WHEN THEY WOULD BE UNABLE TO GET EMPLOYEES. SO, THIS IS ÃÃTHE TWO HEADED DRAGON THAT WERE TRYING TO SLAY HERE. IT'S NOT JUST TRYING TO HELP THE UNFORTUNATE.

IT'S TRYING TO HELP THOSE WORKERS WHO CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO ÃÃFROM A CHAMBER STANDPOINT IS THAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ÃÃNOT ONLY BUSINESS COMMUNITY NORTHWEST OF DRUMMOND AND FLAGLER HOSPITAL, BUT OUR SERVICE INDUSTRIES ARE TOURISM. OUR PUBLIC SECTOR. ENTRY OF FIRST RESPONDERS.

LAW ENFORCEMENT, TEACHERS, NURSES, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. IT WASN'T JUST SOMETHING BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO PROVIDE BOTH FREE HOUSING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO REFUSED TO WORK. IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY THE LEADERS OF THIS COMMUNITY AND THE LEADERS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT SAID THAT WE HAVE A CRISIS. WE HAVE A CRISIS IN THIS COUNTY.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AS ONE COMMISSIONER AND IGNORE IT.

SO ÃÃI'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE CONTINUE TO PURSUE THE CREATION OF A HOUSING AUTHORITY. I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S TURNING OVER OUR RESPONSIBILITIES TO BUREAUCRATS. I THINK IT'S TAKING A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO SEEK MORE FEDERAL FUNDS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE NOT BE ABLE TO GET SAID THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME FUNDING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. FOR PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE PURCHASING HOMES AND PEOPLE LIVING IN APARTMENTS ARE NOT GETTING FREE RENT FOR FREE HOME AT ALL. THEY WOULD BE PAYING A VERY FAIR RATE.

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SO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE HERE AND WORK CAN DO SO WITHOUT HAVING TO COMMUTE AND IN FACT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN LEAVING THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE HERE AND WORK AT THE WAGES THAT THEY WERE BEING PAID. SO, THAT IS MY POSITION AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THIS AFTERNOON IS THAT IT'S A LONG DAY.

WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 9 O'CLOCK. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN CONSTRUCT THE ENTIRE HOUSE AT THIS POINT. BUT I THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST A FOUNDATION. I THINK ALL OF YOU PERCEIVED AN EXCELLENT AND CONCISE A MEMO YESTERDAY. HE TOUCHED ON IT THIS AFTERNOON AND REMARKS ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND LOOK AT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY BUDGET AND MAYBE EVEN A LOAN TO BE REPAID OVER TIME. WRONGHEADED BUT THIS IS TO SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A NEXT STEP WHERE WE COME BACK WITH A PROPOSED HOUSING AUTHORITY AND A PROPOSED BUDGET AND A PROPOSED STRATEGY ON HOW TO BEST PROCEED. I THINK THAT IT'S PREMATURE TODAY TO CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP AND PROBABLY READ THIS INTO OUR ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS, WHICH WE START IN MARCH OR APRIL.AND IF THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO GO FORWARD. BECAUSE I THINK WE STILL HAVE A FEW UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AND I THINK WE NEED TO REDEVELOP A REALISTIC BUDGET AND ONE THAT WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH.

IF YOU AGREE WITH ME NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ÃÃTHAT IS NOT Ã ÃI GUESS THAT MIGHT BE ÃÃ THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING IN THE FORM OF A MOTION. I'M NOT SURE.HAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THIS AFTERNOON. SO, THAT IS MY TWO CENTS MR. CHAIRMAN.

>>THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DEAN. COMMISSIONER CARLTON. >>COMMISSIONER DEAN, YOU HIT ON A LOT OF WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE MAYBE GOING FORWARD MORE FLESHED OUT FRAMEWORK AT THIS POINT. I THINK BILL NAILED IN HIS EMAIL. I THINK WE SCOUTED DOWN TO SOMETHING LIKE 200,000.

WE LOVED IT. IN PLACES THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY OFFER A TEST AS WE DO NOT HAVE TO START HUGE. I THINK WE CAN START SMALL AND BUILD AS IT COMES.

OR YOU KNOW, [LAUGHTER] I THINK WE ARE JUST AT A POINT NOW WHERE USE AGO THIS WAS A PROBLEM. NOW IT'S ON AFFORDABLE PRICES AND USING DEVELOPERS COME TODAY AND TRY TO PICTIONARY TO CREATE 1000 JOBS AT MY FIRST INSTINCT IS TO SAY WELL, WHERE YOU PUT THEM? WHERE THEY LIVE? AND SO, IT'S BECOMING THIS ISSUE THAT'S AFFECTING EVERYTHING.

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY JUST CAN AFFECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE COUNTY.

IT'S BIGGER THAN JUST HELPING PEOPLE GET INTO HOUSING NOW. THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS.

>>THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. >>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I APPRECIATE THAT.

JUST ONE QUESTION. HE SAID THERE WAS MAYBE ONE OF THREE COUNTIES IN THE STATE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT OTHER COUNTIES DO NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY?

>>I'M SORRY, I DID THAT RESEARCH A LONG TIME AGO. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GET IT FOR

YOU. >>OKAY, ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE HEAR ABOUT THIS, AND THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. TEACHERS, FIREMEN, YOU KNOW, SERVICE WORKERS. IT'S A BIG ISSUE. BUT, I AM CONCERNED AS WELL ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER LAYER OF BUREAUCRACY. AND EXPANDING GOVERNMENT.

SO, I THINK WE DO HAVE A HFA Ã THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY AUTHORITY.

SO, I JUST HAVE SOME REAL CONCERNS WITH IT AND THOSE ARE JUST MY TWO CENTS.

>>ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. I HAD VIGOROUSLY ENTHUSIASTIC AND IMPORTANTLY AND SUPPORTED FOR WILL HOUSING WITH THE THOUGHT IN MIND THAT WE'VE GOT TO FIND A PLACE FOR FIREFIGHTERS, TEACHERS, NURSES, THE ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE THAT HELPS OUR COUNTY GO WE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME. WHEN I TALKED TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ÃÃWE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME HIRING AND RETAINING THOSE EMPLOYEES.

AND I WILL CONTINUE TO ENTHUSIASTICALLY TRY AND FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THE ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I THINK BY ESTABLISHING PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY IS JUST A STEP TOO FAR. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I AM WILLING TO SUPPORT. THINK AS A POTENTIAL TO CHANGE THE POSITION OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I RESPECT THE HARD INTENT THAT I'M TRYING TO ESTABLISH THIS HOUSING AUTHORITY ÃÃSTART BRINGING SECTION 8 OFFERS INTO

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I'D LIKE TO RESPECT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

EVERYBODY ÃÃI JUST HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.

[INDISCERNIBLE] SO, AT THIS TIME, IS THERE ACTION THAT THE BOARD SHOULD TAKE MR. COHEN? I KNOW IT'S ADVERTISES INFORMATION

[INDISCERNIBLE] >>THAT'S CORRECT SIR. THERE'S NO FURTHER ACTION.

AS FAR AS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS.HE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO TAKE SOME ACTION

[10 . Hurricane Nicole recovery funding request]

[INDISCERNIBLE] >>COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >>I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO NOT

MOVE FORWARD WITH PUBLIC HOUSING REQUEST. >>OKAY SO, WE HAVE A MOTION THAT WE DO NOT ORDER THE PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY ÃJUST WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION?

>>I CAN. >>I SUPPORT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

HIS VOTE. SO, THAT PASSES 3Ö. OKAY.

>>WE ARE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. >>MR. CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS.

JOSEPH WITH MANAGEMENT. I'M GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT HER CHEMICAL AND RECOVERY ÃÃ PUBLIC ASSISTANCE IN THE INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCES. COUNTY SPECIFIC DAMAGES AND RECOVERY. SO ÃÃYOU'VE SEEN THIS SLIDE A COUPLE OF TIMES.

THIS IS REALLY JUST SHOWING THE PROGRESSION OR THE PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOW IN FEMA RIGHT NOW.

WE ARE ON THAT POST, WHERE WE ARE THE APPLICANT ELIGIBLE FOR REVIEW AND PEER APPROVAL.

JUST WAITING FOR THE FINAL STEPS FROM FEMA AND THE STATE TO DO THE FINAL APPROVALS AND IT'S COMING. WE DO EVERY RECOVERY COMMITTEE TO ACTUALLY GET FEMA IN HAND WORKING AT THE DSA FOR THE DURATION OF THE RECOVERY. WE HAVE TO WITH NICOLE.

>>ME TALK ABOUT ÃÃEMERGENCY WERE CONTEMPORARY ÃÃEMERGENCY AND PERMANENT ÃTHIS EMERGENCY IS A AND B. [INDISCERNIBLE] OR PROTECTIVE MEASURES.

SO, THAT WILL BASICALLY COME IS MONDAY THE 30 BEEN SPENT IN THE RECOVERY EFFORTS AND IT'S KIND OF MORE OF A LOW FUNCTION RECONCILING THE ACCOUNTS. SO IN THAT BRIEF BECAUSE WE SPENT AROUND HUNDRED AND $68,000 AND RECOVERY THINKING ABOUT MONITORING THE DEBRIS INCLUDING THE BEACHES. WHICH THEY ARE STILL PICKING UP A COUPLE OF THINGS.

BE OPERATIONS, THIS IS WHERE WE ACTUALLY OPERATE ALL THE TIME. ALL THE PREPARATIONS FOR THE STORM ÃÃTHAT COST IS NOT BEEN CALCULATED YET. AND SO SEVERAL THOUSAND LINE ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH ARE INELIGIBLE. SO, IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO YOU WILL SEE ME BACK WITH BOTH IAN AND NICOLE TO RECONCILE THOSE COSTS.

WE DID SPEND $133,000 ON NORTH ROAD. THIS IS WHERE YOU REMEMBER THAT THE BOX KIND OF PUSHED OVER AND PUSHED HIM OUT OF THE WAY AND BY AXIS WITHIN WITH RESIDENTS TO GET DOWN TO ABOUT 20 HOMES THAT THEY HAD TO GET TO. PUBLIC WERE COMPLETED THAT TASK. AND WE ARE LOOKING AT A LONG-TERM SOLUTION IN THE FUTURE PRESENTATION. CATEGORY C THROUGH G AND THE COST SHARE ON THIS AS CATEGORY A AND B 75 TOLMAN HALF STATE AND COUNTY. HE IS BUILDING EQUIPMENT.

WE HAVE SOME FLOOD DAMAGE AND A FEW REPAIRS THAT WE HAD TO MAKE AT THE COST OF $115,000.

WE HAVE SOME UTILITY DAMAGE ON FENCES. HAVE ONE PUMP THAT WENT OUT AND HAD TO BE REPLACED. AT A COST OF $60,000. PARKS AND RECREATION I GUESS LONG-TERM BEACHES, WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT BEACHES RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S A SEPARATE TOPIC. BUT FOR CATEGORY G, WE HAVE SEVERAL BEACH WALKOVER'S AND THE MAIN COST AND LINE ITEM IS BASICALLY IN ALAMEDA PARK. THE BEACH WASHED OUT AND WE BASICALLY REMOVE THE PAVILION AND WERE LOOKING TO REPLACE AND BRING IT BACK THERE.

WE ALSO HAVE POSTED MANAGEMENT STAFF TO BUILD A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION AND THAT IS ONGOING.

$450,000 WILL GET US BACK TO PRE-STORM CONDITIONS.HIS IS THE COST BREAKDOWN OF ALL THOSE COSTS THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT. SHOWING THE FEDERAL SHARE AND STATE SHARON COUNTY SHARE AND THOSE FUNDS WOULD COME FROM AND WHERE IT WOULD IMPROVE THIS. AND WITH THAT, MY MOTION IS TO BASICALLY PROVE THAT PREVIOUS TABLE. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

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QUESTIONS. OKAY, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? >>AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC, AND AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. SEEING NOT, WE WILL CLOSE

[11 . Consider election of a BCC member to the Value Adjustment Board and election of the Chair of the Value Adjustment Board]

PUBLIC ITEM NUMBER 10. >>WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

>>I WILL MOTION TO RECOGNIZE AN APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY FEMA GRANT REIMBURSEMENT STATE DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT GRANT AND REIMBURSEMENT.

APPROVE THE USE OF APPROPRIATE FUND RESERVES TO SERVICE NECESSARY MATCH FOR THE

HURRICANE IN PROJECTS. >>WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

SECOND. EVERYBODY [INDISCERNIBLE] ALL RIGHT, THAT PASSES 3Ä. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY.

WE'RE ONTO JOANN SPENCER. WE HAVE FOUR APARTMENTS. >>GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

MY FIRST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 11. CONSIDER ELECTION OF A BCC MEMBER TO THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD AND THE ELECTION OF A CHAIR OF THE VALLEY ADJUSTMENT BOARD. FLORIDA STATUTE 194.015 AND CHAPTER OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE DOES REQUIRE THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ELECT TWO MEMBERS FROM THE MEMBERSHIP TO SERVE ON THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD. ONE OF THOSE MEMBERS ELECTED SHALL ALSO BE ELECTED AS CHAIR OF THE BAB. THIS ITEM IS JUST TO ELECT ONE ITEM MEMBER AND CHAIR TO REPLACE COMMISSIONER PAUL WALDRON AS THE NEW CHAIR AND BAB. I WILL BE BRINGING BACK ON EVERY SEVENTH OF THE NEXT ITEM.

[12 . Consider appointments to the Cultural Resource Review Board.]

NEXT NUMBER.>THANK YOU. JOANN, PUBLIC HEARING? >>AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >>ART, I WOULD BE PROUD TO MAKE THIS MOTION TO ELECT COMMISSIONER SARAH ARNOLD AS THE CHAIR OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AT VALUE ADJUSTMENT

BOARD. >>SECOND. >>SECOND.

WOULD YOU PLEASE VOTE? CONGRATULATIONS. ANOTHER COMMITTEE.

[COUGH] >>ITEM NUMBER 12 IS CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD. THIS ITEM IS TO CONSIDER TWO OF THE THREE EXISTING VACANCIES ON THE CRR BE DUE TO THE EXPIRED TERMS OF JANET JORDAN AND EMILY MURRAY AND THE RESIGNATION OF NANCY MOCK. THE VACATES AND SAY AD WAS PLACED AND RAN FOR SIX WEEKS.

RESULTING IN RECEIPT OF TWO APPLICATIONS MEETING THE REQUIRED MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS. PLEASE SEE FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION.

A RECOMMENDATION LETTER AND TWO APPLICATIONS. >>THANK YOU JOANN.

LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. >>AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC, ON AGENDA ITEM

NUMBER 12. >>HELLO MR. SLATER.>THANK YOU.

ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD FOR THE SAME REASONS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER ABOUT THE ACQUISITION MANAGEMENT ON THE BOARD ÃÃTHE CRV ALSO HAS BEEN TELEVISED.'VE ATTENDED THOSE MEETINGS ALSO AND YOU CANNOT MAKE HIDE OR HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON THIS MEETINGS IF YOU JUST LISTEN TO IT.

OUR AUDIOTAPE ÃÃIT'S NOT TRANSPARENCY. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD THAT THEY HAVE SOME VERY IMPORTANT WORK AND THEY WERE DISCOURAGED BY MANAGEMENT DOING THEIR JOB. AS WAS THE CULTURAL RESOURCES COORDINATOR.

WHO WAS HUMILIATED, THREATENED LAST YEAR. THE SAME DAY THE NEWS RAN A STORY ABOUT [INDISCERNIBLE] I SUPPORT THE APARTMENTS, BUT THESE NEED TO BE TELEVISED. EVERY SINGLE ONE IF THERE'S ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR ANYBODY IN THE STAFF. ONLY THE TRANSPARENCY. BUT THEY DON'T AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THIS MEETINGS EVERY SINGLE COUNTY MEMBER NEEDS TO MEET THIS ROOM AND OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AND TELEVISE IT. THANK YOU.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >>THANK YOU MR. SLATER.NYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?

SEEING NONE. >>ALL RIGHT, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION OR EIGHT ON?

>>CAN I JUST SAY SO MOVED OR TO ANY TO SAY [INDISCERNIBLE]

>>MR. MEGAN, [INDISCERNIBLE] >>I WOULD PREFER YOU READ THE

[13 . Consider appointments to the Contractors Review Board.]

MOTION. >>MOTION TO REAPPOINT JANET JORDAN TO THE CULTURAL RESOURCE BOOK FOR SECOND FULL FOUR YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE NOVEMBER 11, 2026 AND A MOTION TO APPOINT SUSAN SCHLATTER UP TO THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW FOR THE NEAR-TERM SCHEDULE TO

EXPIRE JANUARY 7, 2017. >>WE HAVE A SECOND AND EVERYBODY PLEASE VOTE.

>>THOSE MOTIONS PASS. >>MY LAST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 13.

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THESE VACANCIES WERE ADVERTISED FOR FOUR MONTHS. VACANCIES ARE REQUIRED TO BE FILLED BY A LICENSED CERTIFIED OR REGISTERED AC HEATING CONTRACTOR, CERTIFIED OR REGISTERED ROOFING CONTRACTOR, AND ONE CITIZEN WITH NO CONTRACTOR INDUSTRY INVOLVEMENT. PLEASE FIND AN ATTACHED REVIEW FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND APPLICATIONS IN A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CONTRACTORS REVIEW BOARD.

>>OKAY, DISCUSSION? PUBLIC COMMENT? >>AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13. SEEING NONE, WE CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >>DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >>OKAY, I WILL READ IT.

[LAUGHTER] MOTION TO APPOINT RUSSELL SCOTT TO THE CONTRACTORS REVIEW BOARD AS A CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVE FOR FIRST SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE JANUARY 17, 2027 PICK MOTION TO

[14 . State of the County Presentation]

>>AND EMOTIONS? >>EVERYBODY PLEASE OTE. THOSE MOTIONS PASS 3SSÄ.

[INDISCERNIBLE] ALL RIGHT, WE ARE ONTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14.

AS FOR CONRAD, WELCOME. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]

>>MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, AS WE WRAP UP THE DAY, LONG DAY.

LET ME JUST SAY COUPLE OF THINGS REALLY QUICK ABOUT THIS OUTSTANDING COUNTY PRODUCE A MUCH LONGER PRESENTATION THAT I'M HAPPY TO GIVE, BUT NOT TODAY.

I JUST WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TODAY TO MISS ENGLAND AND TYLER THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE BEFORE GOING TO 2023 REVIEW IS ANY SOLUTION BUT THE PRESENTATION WOULD BE.

THE VIDEO THAT WAS DONE BY A PUBLIC AFFAIRS TEAM.

[INDISCERNIBLE] WITH A VERY SHORT TURNAROUND TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.

WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT BASICALLY IS WHAT'S OCCURRING IN THE COUNTY ON THE LARGE-SCALE OVER THE LAST YEAR. SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE WERE WORKING ON THINGS THAT WERE COMPLETED AT THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD. IT'S ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MINUTE VIDEO. THEY STARTED LISTENING TO ME FOR ABOUT 15 OR 20 OF 45 MINUTES. ADDRESSING THE SAME THINGS BUT I DID WANT TO TELL THE RETTA AND TYLER AND TOM THAT THEY DID A GREAT JOB WORKING TO GETTING IT TURNED AROUND TO HAVE IT READY FOR TODAY. I WANT TO THANK THEM PUBLICLY AND WHO WILL PLAY THIS.

I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE VIDEO AFTERWARDS I WILL JUMP INTO THE PRESENTATION WITH 23 AND BEYOND IN FIVE OR SIX SLIDES.

WITHOUT FURTHER ADO. >>2022 WAS LIKE NO OTHER FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA.

OUR COMMUNITY IS BOLDLY FORGING A PATH OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. PROSPERITY, AND STRENGTH AS WE LOOK BEYOND FEBRUARY 20, 2023. TOGETHER, WE FINISHED ROAD AND CHANGE PROJECTS.

EXISTING FACILITIES, WELCOME TO WORKING FAMILIES TO VIEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPLEXES AND DISTRIBUTE MILLIONS TO LOCAL NONPROFITS, WE WERE NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED FOR OUR FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP. STARTING THE PROCESS OF EXPANDING OUR COUNTY'S RECREATION SERVICES AND PERSEVERED THROUGH TWO STORMS THAT THREATENED OUR COUNTY.

HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, WE ARE LEADING THE WAY TO COMPASSION.

TRUSTWORTHINESS, AND INNOVATION. >>AND WE ARE HERE AT THE SECOND

AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO ADOPT THE BUDGET. >>OVER THE LAST YEAR, ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED FOR ITS COMMITMENT TO TRANSPARENCY.

AND FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY. RECEIVING THE TRIPLE CROWN RECOGNITION BIDEN WITH AMERICA'S LEADING ASSOCIATION FOR GOVERNMENT FINANCE EXPERTISE.

KNOWN AS THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION. WE TAKE PRIDE IN OUR TRANSPARENT BUDGET PROCESS, WHICH ALLOWS THE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. NOW THAT TERRORISM IS BACK IN FULL SWING, WE ARE SEEING THE BENEFITS LIKE NEVER BEFORE. IN FISCAL YEAR 2022 ÃÃST. JOHNS COUNTY COLLECTED MORE THAN $22 MILLION IN TERSE DEVELOPMENT TAX REVENUE.HE MONEY SPENT BY VISITORS IS REINVESTED BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITY.O FORTIFY OUR COASTLINE, REPAIRED DOOMED WALKOVER'S, IMPROVED BEACHSIDE PARKS, MAINTAIN BOAT RAMPS, AND HELP SUPPORT THE COUNTY OWNED SAINT AUGUSTINE AMPHITHEATER. AND THE PONTEVEDRA CONCERT HALL.

VISIT EXPENDITURES ALSO SUPPORT PMORE THAN 30,000 JOBS IN OUR AREA.

2022 SO THE COMPLETION OF VARIOUS ROAD AND DRAINAGE PROJECTS.

PUTTING THAT REPAVING OF MORE THAN 35.5 MILES OF ROADWAY. THE COUNTY ROAD 2209 SOUTHBOUND

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IT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPACTFUL ORGANIZATIONS DELIVERING HUMAN SERVICES TO THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST. AND THAT'S NOT ALL. ST. JOHNS COUNTY HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES WORKED HAND-IN-HAND WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO OBTAIN GRANTS TO SAY MARKET SIZE. THE COUNTY'S NEWEST AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPLEX NEAR DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE. WE ALSO EXPANDED FIELD LIGHTING AT DATA SPARK.

AND BUILT A NEW MULTIPURPOSE FIELD FOR OUR COUNTY'S GROWING YOUTH SPORTS.

WE HAVE COMPLETED A COMMUNITY CENTER IN FLAGLER ESTATES, BRINGING US TO A TOTAL OF EIGHT COMMUNITY CENTERS. AND WE RECENTLY WELCOMED GOLFERS BACK TO THE NEW AND IMPROVED CANTY OWNED ST. JOHN'S GOLF CLUB. 2022 DID NOT COME WITHOUT ITS CHALLENGES. AS HURRICANES IAN AND NICOLE THREATENED OUR COUNTY.

FIRST RESPONDERS AND COUNTY STAFF JUMPED INTO ACTION AND WORKED AROUND THE CLOCK TO ENSURE OUR COMMUNITY WAS SAFE AND INFORMED. BACK-TO-BACK HURRICANES BETTERED OUR COASTLINES AND FLOODED OUR STREETS. BUT AS THE CLEANUP AND RECOVERY BEGINS, WE ARE STEADFAST IN OUR COMMITMENT TO STRENGTHEN OUR COUNTY AGAINST THE NEXT STORM.

AS WE LOOK AHEAD TO 2023 AND BEYOND, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY REMAINS COMMITTED TO A BOLD FEATURE THAT INVESTS IN INFRASTRUCTURE. PUBLIC SAFETY, SMALL BUSINESSES, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND PRESERVING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES FOR GENERATIONS TO

COME.[MUSIC] >>THAT WAS 2022 AT A GLANCE. AND AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE RETTA AND TOM WAS IN THE BACK. HE'S NOT GONNA POP OUT AND TYLER PUT THAT TOGETHER REALLY, THAT WAS AT THE DIRECTION OF THIS BOARD.ND HOW YOU ALLOCATED THE RESOURCES TO PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY. OBVIOUSLY THAT DOES NOT SHOW THE THOUSANDS AND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS AND HOURS THAT ARE LOGGED ON AND A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT RESPONSE ABILITIES. THOSE ARE JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS FROM LAST YEAR. I THINK IT'S EASY FOR ALL OF US, ESPECIALLY ME TO BE CAUGHT UP IN THE DAY-TO-DAY GRIND OF COMING IN AND DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

IT'S A PICTURE OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING ACCOMPLISHED. AND SO, AS THEY BEGIN TO PUT THIS PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND WORK THE DEPARTMENTS AND DIRECTORS AND IT'S INTERESTING ME PER SE WELL AND ACCOMPLISH AND WHAT THE STORIES THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY TALK ABOUT BECAUSE RESPONDING TO CITIZENS AND HOLDING AWARD MEETINGS AND TAKING MEETINGS AND WE EASILY AND QUICKLY FORGET ALL THE HARD WORK AND EFFORT THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES.

TO COMPLETE THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AT THE CORNERS LAYING AND CONSTITUENTS THAT THEY NEED TO PUSH FORWARD. SO, 2022 NOW BEHIND US. LOTS OF GREAT WORK, I KNOW THE RETTA AND THEIR TEAM REALLY PUTTING ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL.

SO, THAT WILL BE OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SEE. THE ME JUST GIVE YOU A QUICK PREVIEW OF 2023. IT'S ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE SLIDES. CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THEY MIGHT HAVE AND I THINK IT WILL FURTHER ELABORATE WHAT YOU SAW ON THAT VIDEO.

AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO LOOK FORWARD TO SPECIFICALLY THIS YEAR AND YEARS AHEAD.

SO, AS WE LOOK INFRASTRUCTURE, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND OUR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK AND YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE PURPLE HIGHLIGHTED AREAS THAT THERE ARE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AND THEN IN THE GREEN IS A DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROJECT. YOU'VE GOT YOUR 210 GREENBRIER TO CIMMARON.

HE GET VETERANS PARKWAY TO LONGLEAF ÃÃAND THEN A NUMBER OF OTHERS IN THEIR THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE PRODUCE REALLY BEEN FOR HUGE PROJECTS THAT WILL MAKE IT CLOSE TO HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS OVER THE NEXT YEAR.

WHILE THEY MIGHT NOT ALL BE COMPLETELY FINISHED IN 2024 ÃÃ OVERSEAS ME 2023, THERE CAN WE BREAK GROUND THIS YOU PUT SOME OF THE MEMORY BROKEN GROUND AND MADE COMPLETED THIS YEAR BUT THE SLIDE WILL MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW AS WELL SO THAT THEY CAN SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING, WHAT'S BREAKING GROUND AND WHAT WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO IN THE NEXT 18Ö4 MONTHS. ADDITIONALLY, YOU HEARD A REFERENCE IN THE VIDEO THAT WAS 35.4 IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL. 58 MILES OF ROADWAY IS RELATED TO IMPROVEMENT AND REJUVENATION. BASICALLY REJUVENATION IS WE PUT AN ADDITIONAL LAYER OF THE PAVEMENT. THAT'S WHERE THEY REALLY RIP IT UP FOR THE MILLIONS AND THEN THEY REDO THE ROOF. ALWAYS 60 MILES AN IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT.

IT'S A TON OF MILEAGE THAT'S BEING IMPROVED AND REPAIRED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

AND SO, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS GOING FORWARD IN THE COMING YEAR. WE'VE GOT MAJOR CAPITOL PROJECTS AND VERTICAL CONSTRUCTIONS IN THE COUNTY. THIS BOARD KNOWS.

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THAT HAS BEEN AS YOU ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR, WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD IN 2016.

AND WE HAD A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES AND WE ARE VERY HOPEFUL THAT THIS IS THE YEAR IN THE NEXT 6Å MONTHS THAT WE BREAK GROUND AND IT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL AND SIGNIFICANT TO CREATE SOME OF OUR BALLFIELD SPACE. AND ALSO SOMETHING HERE THAT'S FROM 2022. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS.

BUT THIS BOARD PUT OVER 1100 ACRES OF CONSERVATION LAND THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION. SO MANY TIMES THAT CONSTITUENTS WILL ASK WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO PRESERVE LAND? SO, THROUGH YOUR APPROVAL OF WHATEVER IS YOUR ACQUISITION SUCH AS THE PROPERTY THAT WE JUST ACQUIRED, EITHER OR OVER 1100 ACRES THAT WERE PUT INTO CONSERVATION OVER LAST YEAR. SO, QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY WE START LOOKING AT THE CONVERSATION PIECE.

COUNTYWIDE INITIATIVES 2023, THESE ARE REALLY INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL.

NOT SIGNIFICANTLY RELATED TO PROJECTS THAT YOU MIGHT SEE HERE.

WE START TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENTAL TRANSPARENCY ÃÃ MY PERSPECTIVE FROM ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS LAGGING ABOUT THAT. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE IS A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE PROCESS SINCE I'VE GOTTEN HERE IN LEADERSHIP TEAM IS WORKING WITH THE BOARD CONSTITUENTS TO TRY AND MAKE THINGS AVAILABLE.

AND WE ARE GETTING REALLY CLOSE ON SOME OF THEM. YOU'RE NOT QUITE THERE ON OTHERS YET. BUT THE BRANDING CAMPAIGN, YOU ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH IS ALL COMING BACK. FAIRLY SOON. CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT PLAN ASKS YOU WHAT YOU CAN SEE. THAT'S THE PICTURE THERE ON YOUR BOTTOM LEFT.

THAT ONE IS OUR CIP DASHBOARD THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY TRACK THE PROJECTS THAT THIS BOARD APPROVES. IT WOULD BE INTERACTIVE AND WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT RELEASED IN THE NEXT 60Å0 DAYS. IT'S NOT 60Å0 DAYS.

THAT IS CIP DASHBOARD PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT THAT COUNTY CITIZENS ÃÃWOULD HAVE TO CALL YOU ALL, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THIS ROAD? WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? CERTAINLY AS I KNOW YOU ARE ALL MORE THAN ACCESSIBLE TO THIS CONSTITUENCY AND ABLE IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY, THIS WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER WAY THAT THEY CAN ACCESS IT AND KUDOS TO GREG CALDWELL AND ROCKY AND HIS TEAM WORKING TO MAKE THIS AVAILABLE AND HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. CITY AND SEWER APPLICATION AND MANY OF OUR CITIZENS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PRIDE SYSTEM. IT IS SYSTEM THAT WE DEVELOPED INTERNALLY.

THAT WE ARE NOT READY TO BUILD UPON AND GROW UPON. SO, THIS WILL REPLACE THAT.

HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. THIS WILL LAUNCH.

IT WILL BE INTERACTIVE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO BE SOMEWHERE ON THE ROAD AND DO A PIN DROP AND DISPLAY WAS GOING ON. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE SYSTEM AND I THINK IT WILL BE GENERATED AND YOU CAN TRACK AS YOU GO. SO, IT WILL BE A MUCH MORE INTERACTIVE CITIZEN FRIENDLY TOOL TO TRACK WHAT IS GOING ON WITH CITIZEN COMPLAINTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. ELECTRONIC BUDGET BOOK, WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT OUR OUTDATED BUDGET SOFTWARE. AND THE INABILITY TO SEE AND READ AND SO ÃÃMR. DUNN AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY ON GETTING THIS UPDATED.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE SOFTWARE CURRENTLY. FORGIVE ME FOR SAYING THIS, WE ARE HOPING THAT WILL BE READY FOR THE BUDGET SEASON THIS TIME.

IF NOT, IT'LL BE READY FOR THE BUDGET SEASON NEXT YEAR WHERE CITIZENS CAN GO AND INTERACT WITH ELECTRONIC BUDGET BOOK AS WELL. SO, ALL THESE THINGS BEING DONE TO MAKE LOCAL GOVERNMENT MORE TRANSPARENT AND MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR CITIZENS AND CONSTITUENTS SO THAT THEY HAVE FIRSTHAND INFORMATION THAT WE ARE WORKING ON.

THE ERP AND ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING SOFTWARE, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS AND REVIEW OF THAT.

WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT SENT OUT FOR RFP THIS YEAR. AND THAT WOULD ALSO BE CONTRACTED NEXT YEAR. SO, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, THINK COMMISSIONER JOSEPH MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH IN ERP. BUT THIS WAS A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION IN THE LAST 24 MONTHS. WE ARE VERY FAR BEHIND IN OUR INTEGRATION OF OUR SOFTWARE, WHICH MAKES US INCREDIBLY INEFFICIENT AND SLOW. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO OUR HIRING OF RETENTION IMPROVEMENT AND STRATEGIC PLANNING. THIS WILL HELP ALLEVIATE MANY OF THOSE ISSUES IN THE COMING YEARS. THAT IS A 3¥ YEAR PROJECT.

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THE CONTRACT AND THEN IT TAKES YEARS TO ACTUALLY INTEGRATE THE SYSTEM INTO WHAT WE HAVE.

AND THE WEBSITE REBOOT. THAT SHOULD HOPEFULLY BE DONE BY AUGUST AND MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT SOONER. WE CONTRACTED WITH THE FIRM TO DO THAT.

SO, IT'S GOING ON WITH AND THAT AS WELL AS THE CRP DASHBOARD AND THE CITIZEN APPLICATION DASHBOARD WILL HOPEFULLY MAKE EVERYTHING MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT AND ACCESSIBLE IN THE COMMUNITY PAIRED SO, THAT REALLY COMPLETES WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS YEAR.

CERTAINLY, WE WILL BE LISTENING TO FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL. AS WE GET TO THE BUDGET PROCESS. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE EXPECT AND PLANT AND HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED IN THE 2023 FISCAL YEAR. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GET TO IN 2023 AND SO, WITH THAT, THERE'S NO ACTION TAKEN AND

[Public Comment ]

ASSIST A SHORT PRESENTATION. GOOD QUESTIONS? >>QUESTIONS FOR MR. CONRAD? OR, ENTERS THE PRESENTATION Ã THIS [INDISCERNIBLE]

JUST IN CASE. >>AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC, ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14. SING NONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC C COMMENT.

>>MR. CONRAD, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF STAFF TIME GOING INTO THAT. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING A VIDEO TOGETHER.

I REALLY DID HEIGHTEN MY ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOUR TEAM HAS DONE. I BELIEVE THIS TAKES US INTO

PUBLIC COMMENT. >>AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR IT NOT AGENDA PUBLIC

COMMENT. >>GOOD AFTERNOON.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >>CARE TO MEET IN PERSON WITH MR. TREY ÃÃ

[INDISCERNIBLE] >>I WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHAT HAPPENED HERE.

SIX MONTHS AGO UNDER PRESSURE FROM ADMINISTRATION ÃÃTHE HEAD OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT PRESSURED TREY ALEXANDER, RESIDENT OF OUR COMMUNITY FROM 2017 LIVED HERE ALL HIS LIFE.

PRESSURED HIM TO RESIGN AS A COHORT RESONATOR. HE SAID HE DID NOT RESIGN THAT HE WOULD GET A [INDISCERNIBLE] BASED ON WHAT? MR. RESIDENT IS WORKING AND CULTURAL RESOURCES. ON AUGUST 16, THIS BOARD VOTED IN RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER WALKER TO PRESERVE THE [INDISCERNIBLE] THREE DAYS LATER, MR. PASTOR WAS CAN. SAME DAY ON AUGUST 19 AT 7:41 IN THE MORNING ÃÃBEFORE THE DAY WAS OVER ÃJUST THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT SAID HE HAD RESIGNED. THE ADMINISTRATION WANTED HIM GONE.

NOW, THIS INSPECTOR GENERAL INVESTIGATION. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ADMINISTRATION REINSTATING HIM WITH THE FULL BACK PAY IN THIS ENTIRE MATTER WAS HANDLED HORRIBLY. THERE IS NOT AN EXIT INTERVIEW. MR. ASNER CHECKED THE BOX ON THE FORM REQUESTING THE EXIT INTERVIEW. IT NEVER HAPPENED.

NO MEETING WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WHO REFUSED TO MEET WITH THEM.

WHY? THERE WAS NO ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING.

WHY? AND THEN ON FRIDAY ÃÃTO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, MR. ASNER ASKED HIS COMPUTER CALENDAR THE FIVE MONTHS THAT HE WORKED HERE LAST YEAR ÃÃTHE COUNTY ATTORNEY ONE $15.90. HE KIDDING ME? THE ATTORNEYS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FURIOUSLY INTERFERED WITH MR. ASNER'S RIGHT TO MEET WITH Y'ALL.

MR. ASNER HAD AN EMAIL SAYING THAT HE HAD ADVISED THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS NOT TO MEET WITH HIM. NOT TO MEET WITH CITIZENS. AND I LEARNED FROM MR. NORWOOD THIS MORNING THAT THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO HIM WITH CONCERNS THAT HE HAD EXPRESSED ABOUT HIS CONSTRUCTION OF THE TREES. IT WAS BUSY AND CALLED MR. NORWOOD THAT HE COULD NOT MEET WITH HIM BECAUSE HE HAD COMPLAINTS AND HE CRITICIZED THE GOVERNMENT. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. WE CAN DO BETTER.

OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ACTUALLY SAID TWO YEARS IN A ROW THAT OUR BUDGET IS I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. I WORK WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

NOW, HE WORKS WITH US. IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION AND IT'S IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS.

AN AUTHORITY MEETING WITH [INDISCERNIBLE] >>THANK YOU MR. SLAVEN.

ANYONE ELSE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? >>IT STARTED TO POUR BEFORE I GOT HERE. BJ CLAY, CITIZEN OF WEST AUGUSTINE.

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THIS PROCEDURE SHOULD BE CHANGED IF POSSIBLE. THERE SHOULD BE A TIME LIMIT ON ALL PRESENTATIONS ÃÃALL PRESENTERS ON ALL AGENDA ITEMS. WHEN STAFF WERE STOPPED FROM PRESENTATIONS ÃÃDEVELOPERS AND LAWYERS HAD BEEN ALLOWED TO WASTE TIME DURING THESE MEETINGS. I'VE HAD TO CHANGE MY COMMENTS SINCE WHAT WAS GOING ON TODAY.

HE PERSON GIVING ÃÃI'M TRYING TO GET SOME INFORMATION. I THINK I WILL FROM SOME OF YOUR STAFF. THE PERSON GIVING MR. WALTER'S CHAIR I UP REPEAT DOES NOT LIVE IN DISTRICT 3. I'M BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE THERE'S COMMENTS AND THE PUBLIC.

THAT WE NEED TO KNOW SOME ANSWERS. THEREFORE, SINCE WE ÃÃTHIS PERSON DOES NOT LIVE IN DISTRICT 3, THERE'S NO REPRESENTATION FOR TAXPAYERS TO LIVE AND IN DISTRICT 3. QUESTION. DOES DISTRICT 1, TWO, FOUR, OR FIVE NOW HAVE TWO POLITICIANS REPRESENTING THEM? SOME INFORMATION SO FAR IS THAT WE'VE GOT TWO NOW IN DISTRICT 5. IN 2024, TAXPAYERS LIVING IN DISTRICT 3 WILL BE ABLE TO ACT ÃÃACTUALLY VOTE FOR A COMMISSIONER TO REPRESENT THEM. AND I WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH WHAT COMMISSIONERS SAID. I WANT TO SAY AGAIN ÃÃTO THANK ALL THE EXPERT RESIDENTS WHO SPOKE ON ITEM NUMBER ONE. THE WAY THE THIS WENT TODAY AND THE HOURS THAT WE SPENT ÃÃ WHILE WE HAD TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO ALL OF THAT ÃÃTHIS IS NOT TAKING CARE OF THE PUBLIC. NOT AT ALL! EVEN WHEN ONE PAYS ATTENTION, IT COULD BE DIFFICULT TO KEEP UP WITH BEHIND-THE-SCENES POLITICAL AS HC AND A AND I SEE A AND S. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO MR. DEAN.

I ALSO WANT TO ASK ÃÃTHE VIDEO ÃÃSOMEONE DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.

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SO WE CAN GET THAT WRITTEN DOWN SOMEPLACE. BUT I'M HOPING THAT PEOPLE IN DISTRICT THREE WILL PAY ATTENTION TO SOMEONE WHOSE VOTING AND WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN 2024 TO VOTE THAT PERSON, WHO WENT OUT IN DISTRICT 3 ACTUALLY SERVES

DISTRICT 3 ÃÃTHANK YOU. >>THANK YOU ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] ANYONE ELSE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC,? SING NONE.

BECAUSE PUBLIC, PICK >>THANK YOU MADAM PFISTER. WE'RE GOING TO COMMISSION

REPORTS AND TO TORNADOES COMMISSIONER, WELCOME. >>COMMISSION REPORTS JUSTICE

WELCOME THANK YOU. >>I LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING AND I WANTED TO THANK THE STAFF FOR ALL OF THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN REALLY GREAT.

GREAT TO WORK WITH. YOU MADE ME FEEL RIGHT AT HOME AND WELCOMED AND I APPRECIATE

ALL THE SUPPORT AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SERVING. >>THANK YOU.

>>THANK YOU. IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH >>OKAY, I'VE GOT A FEW SLIDES IF I CAN JUST HAVE THE THREE SLIDES. WANT TO INTRODUCE A CITIZEN WHO MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN OUR.

COUNTY. AND I THINK I'M GONNA TRY AND DO THIS REGULARLY.

AND THIS IS ELIZABETH RIGHT HERE IN THE FRONT ROW. ELIZABETH JOSHI ÃÃI WAS DRIVING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THE PICTURE OF HER AND SHE WAS PICKING UP GARBAGE AND I STARTED TO SEE HER ALMOST EVERY DAY IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COUNTY ÃÃI WAS HERE ON PALM VALLEY ROAD AND THEN I WOULD SEE HER ON A 1A. THEN FINALLY I JUST PULLED MY CAR OVER AND STOPPED AND SAID WHAT ARE YOU DOING SHE SAID THIS IS HER THING THAT SHE WANTS TO DO FOR OUR COUNTY. AND BEYOND ÃÃJUST MAKING A OVE DIFFERENCE AND I'M REALLY JUST THINKING IT'S REALLY NEAT AND PROUD OF HER AND I'M I ASKED HER WHAT ARE SOME THINGS THAT SHE COULD TELL US? BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SHE FINDS INCLUDING DRUGS AND KNIVES AND BUCKETS AND COOLERS ÃAS SHE DID GIVE THE COMPANY A COUPLE OF REALLY GOOD INTERESTING WAYS THAT SHE'S SEEN THE LETTER SHOW. A LOT OF TIMES THERE FROM WORKMAN ÃÃTHE THINGS WILL BE THROWN IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK.

EVEN IF IT'S FOR LUNCH AND I GET GOES FLYING OUT WHEN THE DRIVING AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY THE MOWERS, OPEN THE MOUTH, WHEN IF THEY DON'T PICK UP THE PAPER OR PAPER CUPS FOR THINGS IN FRONT OF THE MODEL, GETS TRAPPED. GETS CREDIT AND INPUT INTO THE

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WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO THIS. AND I COMMEND HER FOR STEPPING UP WHEN SHE SEES THE LETTER. THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY CALLED KEEP ST. JOHN'S COUNTY BEAUTIFUL. A REPORT ON THE BEACH, THEY DO THIS ALL THE TIME.

I THINK IT WOULD BE FUN TO SEE IF I CAN GET A CONSENSUS TO ACTUALLY DO SOME SORT OF A MARKETING CAMPAIGN TO OUR KIDS IN OUR CLASSROOMS. MAYBE A CONTEST ON HOW WE COULD KEEP ST. JOHN'S COUNTY MORE BEAUTIFUL. I KNOW WE ARE TO HAVE ADOPT A HIGHWAY OR A MILE WITH EOP FUN BECAUSE I THINK OUR COMMUNITY IS RIGHT FOR TRYING TO KEEP IT AS BEAUTIFUL AS POSSIBLE. ANOTHER SUGGESTION WAS WHATEVER YOUR BIRTHDAY IS ÃTHIS MINDS THE 19TH ÃTHIS EVERY DAY EVERY MONTH ON THE 19TH TEST IS WHEREVER I GO ÃBESIDES PICKUP AND TRASH. BY THE PUBLIC'S I SEE SOME THE PARKING LOT JUST AS A CARRY BAG THAT DAY. SOMETHING INFORMAL THAT WE CAN MARKET THAT WOULD BE FUN AS WELL AS SORT OF INCLUDE AND GET PEOPLE I GUESS TO HELP OUT TEST TEST I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD GET A CONSENSUS.JUST A SMALL LITTLE BUMPS BUDGET. MAYBE IT IS MARKETING?

>>FORGIVE ME FOR JUST A SUPERIOR GONNA BE SPENDING MONEY WE WANT TO SEE PROPOSAL

FIRST BEFORE ÃÃI WAS JUST SEEING IF YOU WANT TO SEE ONE. >>YES, SOMETHING MOTIVATING FOR OUR COMMUNITY. MAYBE ELIZABETH CAN HELP.

>>I UNDERSTAND. I THINK IT'S WORTH SEEING THE PROPOSAL.

>>IS PRETTY MUCH FREE. EXCEPT FOR THE YOU KNOW, GETTING THE WORD OUT TO THE

>>THE PRICE IS RIGHT IF IT'S FREE. >>WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO PICKUP FOR

US. >>ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU ELIZABETH AND JOSH.

FINISHED, THANK YOU. >>ARE, WONDERFUL, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

ALL RIGHT, I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WILL BE BRIEF. AND HOW TIRED EVERYBODY IS.

NUMBER ONE ÃÃTHIS IS REALLY THE OCA. SITTING ON THE NORTHEAST BORDER REGION COUNSEL TEST IS GIVEN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

THEY JUST PASSED AN ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS IT'S A GROWING PROBLEM IN MY DISTRICT.

AREAS IN THE NORTH END OF THE COUNTY. PANHANDLING.

SEEN PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HOMELESS ÃTHIS IS OUR FOLKS THAT ARE JUST MADE THEIR LIVELIHOODS TRAVELING THE COUNTRY TO STAYING ON AND MEETINGS IN CORNERS BASICALLY PASSING FOR MONEY. THIS IS [INDISCERNIBLE] SUPPLY COUNTY TOOK SOME STEPS TO DROP THE ORDINANCE THIS WEEK.

I WAS HOPING YOU COULD BRING SOMETHING BACK FOR US TO CONSIDER.

THAT IS MODELED AFTER CLAY COUNTY. ANOTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS PROHIBITIONS AND THINGS THAT YOU CANNOT DO. PANHANDLERS INCLUDING COUNTY WORK WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. TO ADDRESS THAT POSITION.

THE LAST [INDISCERNIBLE] >>AND IF IT'S THE WILL THE BOARD ÃTHIS WE COULD BRING SOMETHING BACK. I WILL SAY THAT WHENEVER THIS TEST IS IN HAVE TO BE NARROWLY TAILORED TO NOT INFRINGE UPON THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

GENERALLY, THAT MEANS! AFTER SPECIFIC AREAS WHERE IT'S A DEMONSTRATED PROBLEM.

NOT COUNTYWIDE. AND IT MAY ALSO ÃÃI HAVE NOT SEEN THE CLAY COUNTY ORDINANCE YET. GENERALLY, THE PAST CONSTITUTIONAL ÃÃWHEN IT'S AGGRESSIVE IN HANDLING THE SAFETY AT ISSUE. IT'S MORE LIKELY TO BE PERMISSIBLE GOVERNMENT REGULATION. SO, WE WILL HAVE TO RESEARCH ALL THAT IN ADDITION TO LOOKING AT THE CLAY COUNTY ORDINANCE. AND I KNOW CLAY COUNTY ATTORNEY ÃÃI DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THIS YEAR SHERIFF'S ATTORNEY, BUT EXCELLENT ATTORNEYS ÃÃI'M SURE WHATEVER THEY'VE GOT IS A SOLID ORDINANCE.

BUT WE WOULD ALSO DO OUR OWN RESEARCH IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE BOARD.

AND INCHES MAY TAKE SOME TIME BECAUSE IT'S A HIGHLY [INDISCERNIBLE] TIME. SO WILL THE BOARD, WE WILL GLADLY LOOK AT THAT.

>>THANK YOU. I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL.

I'M SURE SHALL QUOTED JUSTICE A WAY TO GET DONE. IF WE COULD GET CONSENSUS JUST TO TAKE A LOOK AND YES, IF YOU WOULD NOT MIND BRINGING THIS BACK CERTAINLY WE WOULD

APPRECIATE THAT. >>THANK YOU. THAT'S ONE AND NUMBER TWO IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TOUCHED ON A COUPLE OF TIMES HERE TODAY ALREADY WHEN WE ESTABLISHED THE LAND ACQUISITION MANAGEMENT PROGRAM BACK IN JANUARY 2021 Ã ÃTHERE'S A THREE TO VOTE AND COMMISSIONER DEAN HAD ASKED FOR IT FOR SOME YEARS, SIMPLY BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS MORE SPACE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. DURING THAT CONVERSATION ÃÃ WHICH WE HAD DIFFERENCES OF OPINIONS I LEARNED THAT WE HAD OVER 50,000 ACRES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY THAT FROM THE CONSERVATION. 70,000 ACRES DESIGNATED PARK SPACE.

AND ANOTHER 10,000+ ACRES THAT WAS IN SOME SORT OF OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION OR THAT WOULD NEVER BE DEVELOPED. ESSENTIALLY WITH HER ALL ACREAGE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

AS OF JANUARY 2021 WAS IN ZONING DESIGNATION NEVER TO BE DEVELOPED.

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SO, IT'S ENCOURAGING TO SEE THAT WITH THE APPROVAL THAT WE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT WE MADE HERE IN THE COUNTY ÃÃ 2022 TO ADD 1100 90 ACRES IN ADDITION TO THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF ACRES IN LAND THAT WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED. SO, THAT'S WHEN YOU WERE RECENTLY AT 840 U.S. FOOTBALL FIELDS FROM EUROPE ÃÃAMERICAN FOOTBALL.

[County Administrator’s Report]

SO, THANK YOU AGAIN TO STAFF MR. CONRAD FOR COMING HERE FOR ME.

THAT'S ALL IT GOT AND I WANT THE MINISTRY TO REPORT. TWO QUICK THINGS.

YES SIR. >>FIRST ON THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 ÃÃWHICH WE HEARD ABOUT 30 MINUTES AGO ON THE RECORD, THERE WAS THE ERROR IN THE MOTION FOR A ONE POINT IT'S OF HURRICANE IAN SET OF HURRICANES NICOLE. IT WAS FOR HER CLINICAL THE ENTIRE AGENDA PACKAGE DEMONSTRATED THAT. WE WILL MAKE SURE MINUTES AND RECORDS NOTES THAT IT WAS A ERROR. THE MOTION WAS TO APPROVE THE MONEY AS A NECESSARY MATCH FOR HURRICANES NICOLE PROJECTS THE PROOF.

IT'S WANT TO PUT THAT ON RECORD. >>WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION?

>>IT'S THE GOVERNOR'S ERROR. IT'S GOOD. AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO GET MORE CONSENSUS IF THE BOARD IS OKAY WITH IT. ON AN ITEM OF IMPORTANCE.

AND IN 2009 ÃÃTHIS BOARD PAST WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE CHILD SAFETY ZONE ORDINANCE.

WHICH IS JUST AS THE INTENT IS TO REDUCE THE RISK OF HARM TO CHILDREN.

BY ESTABLISHING CHILD SAFETY ZONES AROUND CERTAIN LOCATIONS TO REDUCE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SEXUAL OFFENDERS AND TO MAKE USE OF PUBLIC SPACES. OR CRIMINAL INTENT.

SINCE THE ORDINANCE PASSED 14 YEARS AGO, STATE LAW HAS CHANGED.

WE THINK THAT WE NEED TO UPDATE THIS ORDINANCE TO COMPLY WITH STATE

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