[00:00:04]
LET'S STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
MEAGAN, COULD YOU READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE, PLEASE?
>> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW.
THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION, AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING.
ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WANTING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY FILLING OUT A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER.
SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF.
THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH IS THREE MINUTES.
SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND THEN STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.
IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY.
IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTTY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PROVIDED DURING THE HEARING WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD.
THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR THE AGENCY OR THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OF APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM.
BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM, THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY.
IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED IN THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION.
CIVILITY CLAUSE: WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER, EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE.
WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES.
WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.
I WANT TO ADD ONE OTHER THING.
>> YOU DO COME UP TO SPEAK, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE STANDING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE.
AND RAISE THE VOLUME A LITTLE BIT UP.
BOARD MEMBERS, YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THE MEETING MINUTES FOR JANUARY 20,
[Approval of meeting minutes for PZA 1/20/2022, 2/3/2022, 2/17/22, 11/3/2022 and 12/15/2022.]
2022, FEBRUARY 3, 2022, FEBRUARY 7, 2022, NOVEMBE 3, 2022, AND DECEMBER 15, 2022.ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NAY.
NOW WE ARE MOVING INTO A TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
DURING THIS TIME, YOU CAN COMMENT ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA OR YOU CAN COMMENT ON ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO OFFER ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT TIME FRAME FOR THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA WHICH I BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO HEAR TOGETHER.
THE TWO ITEMS. SO DOES ANYONE HERE WANT TO MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? DO WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS? OKAY.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE...
[Items 1 & 2]
WE ARE GOING TO HEAR ITEMS ONE AND TWO TOGETHER.MR. WHITEHOUSE, AS YOU ARE MAKING YOUR WAY UP HERE, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, I'M GOING TO FIRST ASK IF THERE IS ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION ON THE PART OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
>> I SPOKE WITH JEN LAMBERK ABOUT THIS.
SO I HAVE DRIVEN BY THE SITE MANY TIMES.
I ALSO DID A SITE VISIT FOR WHAT I COULD SEE.
A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING THE AREA.
AND I HAD A CONVERSATION THIS MORNING WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE APPLICATION, AND VARIOUS DETAILS OF IT.
I ACTUALLY DID A SITE VISIT ON THE DRIVE HERE TODAY BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER BEEN ON THAT PART OF 214.
SO THAT IS ITEM NUMBER ONE I WANTED TO MENTION.
ITEM NUMBER TWO THAT I WANT TO MENTION TOO TO THE BOARD AND THE CROWD BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING IS THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE ZONING FOR THIS
[00:05:08]
PARTICULAR ITEM.THE FIRST ITEM IS A TRANSMODAL HEARING FOR THE COMPLAINING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
TYPICALLY, THIS BOARD DOES NOT HEAR THE ZONING UNTIL THE ITEM HAS BEEN TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE AND THEN COMES BACK TO US FOR WHAT'S CALLED AN ADOPTION HEARING AT WHICH WE HEAR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITEM AGAIN.
SO THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR THIS BOARD TO NECESSARILY TAKE ACTION TODAY ON THE ZONING.
AND SO THAT DECISION WILL BE MADE BY THE BOARD MEMBERS WHEN THE TIME COMES, AS TO WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO HEAR A COMBINED PRESENTATION, I ASSUME MR. HITEHOUSE, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> WE MAY OR MAY NOT TAKE ACTION ON THE SECOND ITEM.
IF WE DO TAKE ACTION, OBVIOUSLY, AS A BOARD, WE WOULD HAVE TO PREDICATE OUR CONDITION, OUR RECOMMENDATION ON WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, MADAM VICE CHAIRMAN, AGENCY MEMBERS.
FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JAMES WHITEHOUSE OF ST. JOHN'S LAW GROUP, 104 SEA GROVE MAIN STREET HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, FLORIDA.
I HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE FLORIDA BAR IN CITY COUNTY AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF COLONEL HINMAN AND OUR OVERVIEW OF THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION, I WANT TO GO OVER QUICK.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE, EXPERTS WHO ARE GOING TO TESTIFY TO YOU TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION ON THIS WHICH IS APPROPRIATE WHEN YOU HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TRANSMITTAL HEARING.
FIRST OF ALL, WE WILL START WITH THE OVERVIEW.
WE HAVE DEEMED THIS CHIEF, THE INTERMODAL CHANGE FACILITY, JUST FOR SHORT.
THE DESIRES CHANGES AND OUTCOMES WILL GO THROUGH THE IMPROVED ELEMENT REQUEST WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE ZONING AS THE CHAIRMAN SPOKE OF.
OUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, REGIONAL, AND STATE GOALS.
OUR STAKE HOLDER ENGAGEMENT AND SUPPORT.
WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE TO TALK ABOUT.
THAT THEN FINALLY, WE WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
AS FAR AS AN OVERVIEW, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF EXPERTS WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER ON THIS TEAM.
THEY ARE ALL HERE TODAY TO TALK TO YOU AND ALSO ANSWER ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS AS TO THEIR AREAS OF EXPERTISE.
WE HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP.
WE ALSO HAVE OUR LAND PLANNER AND TRANSPORTATION EXPERT, ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERT ECOLOGIST.
WE HAVE TESTIMONY ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY WHICH IS IN YOUR FOLDER WHICH IS PARTICULARLY PERT INNOCENT TO...
AS WELL AS WE HAVE SOME EXPERTS IN THE FIELD THAT ARE GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE RAIL AND HOW THIS TYPE OF INTERMODAL EXCHANGE FACILITY WORKS.
TO START OUT, I'M GOING TO CALL UP OUR EXPERT PLANNER AND TRANSPORTATION EXPERT TO TALK ABOUT THE MISSION AND THEN THE VISION.
THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND TALK MORE ABOUT THE REQUEST AND THEN GET SOME EXPERTS UP HERE.
I HAVE AN OFFICE HERE IN DOWNTOWN ST. AUGUSTINE.
REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE TODAY.
I HAVE BEEN IN LAND PLANNING FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS.
I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FOR ABOUT 15.
AND I'M VERY PROUD TO REPRESENT COLONEL HINMAN AND DOC, AS WE CALL HIM.
HE IS STILL SEEING PATIENTS, ACTUALLY.
AS FAR AS REPRESENTING HIS MISSION AND VISION FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE, HE HAS SPENT A FAIRLY LARGE AMOUNT OF TIME AND OBVIOUSLY, SOME OF HIS OWN FUNDS, TO ACCUMULATE THIS PROPERTY, AND UPON LEARNING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, BEING ASKED TO BE PART OF THE PLANNING TEAM, I TOOK SOME TIME TO SIT DOWN WITH HIM, A BRIEF TIME.
BUT WE TALKED SOME TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HE WANTED TO DO WITH IT.
YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THIS PERSON WOULD WANT TO DO THIS PROJECT.
MY WHOLE PURVIEW AS A PLANNER IS I LIKE TO WORK ON PROJECTS THAT BENEFIT LARGER REGIONAL OBJECTIVES.
AND SO WHEN WE SAT DOWN, THESE ARE FROM COLONEL HINMAN.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
THE VISION IS TO BE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW PRIVATELY-OWNED LAND CAN ACHIEVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF GOALS FOR COUNTIES AND REGIONS.
HE IS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN HELPING THOSE IN DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS PRESERVING HIS PROPERTY THAT HE HAS SPENT MONEY ON TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITIES.
OBVIOUSLY, HE HAS A LOT OF OPTIONS, BEING CURRENTLY OPEN RURAL.
[00:10:02]
AS WELL AS FUTURE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, BUT HE IS KIND OF LOOKING AT IT THROUGH A DIFFERENT LENS.THE VISION IS THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO JOBS, INFRASTRUCTURE USING A R MUCH OF THIS AS POSSIBLE.
WHILE ESTABLISHING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
NOT JUST FOR THE COUNTY AND NOT JUST REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO TRYING TO IDENTIFY WAYS THAT WE CAN LIFT UP VARIOUS RESIDENTS AND VARIOUS AREAS OF THE COUNTY THAT HAVE FOR A LONG TIME, SINCE BEEN EITHER NEGLECTED, LOOKED OVER, OR WE HAVE JUST GONE AND DEVELOPED OTHER, YOU KNOW, LANDS AND OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY.
AS FAR AS THE HISTORY OF THE SITE, I ACTUALLY TOOK THE PICTURE THAT YOU SEE UP THERE.
COLONEL HINMAN BETWEEN 2005 AND 2017 ACQUIRED THE ENTIRE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE PRESENTING TODAY WHICH IS THE APPROXIMATELY 214-ACRE PARCEL.
THE CURRENT LAND USE IS OPEN RURAL.
THERE ARE CATTLE GRAZING ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
THE CURRENT ALLOWABLE USES, AND THESE ARE APPROVED THROUGH THE EXISTING AG MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WAS PERMITTED BY ONE OF OUR TECHNICAL PROFESSIONALS HERE WHO CAN SPEAK TO THAT LATER.
IT IS ALLOWED TO BE TIMBERED AND CLEARED UP TO 95% OF THE TREE CANOPY AS OPEN RURAL.
IT IS AN ALLOWABLE USE WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
FOR CATTLE AND PLANTING OF HAY FOR CATTLE CONSUMPTION.
AS A SIDE NOTE, THIS PROPERTY, AND WE WILL ALLOW HIM TO TALK MORE ABOUT IT.
THE PROJECT EXISTING AS IT IS RIGHT NOW DOES EXCEED THE COUNTY'S CODE REGARDING THE TREE REQUIREMENT.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT GOT SPLINCHED.
BASICALLY, THE LONG-TERM VISION THAT HE HAS, AND THE DECISION CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF THE RAIL AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST USE FOR THE PROPERTY, FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT IS WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY IN TRYING TO DO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
AND AN EFFORT TO SEE THAT VISION THROUGH.
THE SITE PLAN ITSELF, WE ARE GOING TO GO OVER THIS IN DETAIL LATER.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE MAJOR BULLET POINTS.
HAVING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
AS A LAND PLANNER, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS REALLY INTERESTING IS THAT HE IS COMMITTED WITH A PLAN AND REZONING OF THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY TO THE SITE PLAN YOU SEE.
HE HAS INVESTED QUITE A BIT OF MONEY IN TECHNICAL PROFESSIONALS, TO SEE WHAT THE SITE COULD HOLD WITH UTILIZING THE UPLAND BUFFER.
WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH FEC ALSO AND JTA.
WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
HE HAS ALSO COMMITTED TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD ASSIST WITH ACCESS, NUISANCE ABATEMENT AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTS LEAVING THE TREE CANOPY, ET CETERA.
SOME OF THE SITE PLAN ELEMENTS WERE HOUSING, COMMUTER RAIL, RAIL AND FREIGHT, AND STEWARDSHIP.
THOSE ARE THE FOUR KEY COMPONENTS.
WE WILL GO DEEPER INTO THOSE HERE IN A MOMENT.
SO THESE ARE THE STATED OUTCOMES.
AGAIN, HIS GOALS WERE NOT TO CONTINUE URBAN SPRAWL WITH SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE ALLOWED HERE.
AVOID IMPACTING THE CREEK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
HIS RELATIVES DO LIVE IN THE AREA AS WELL.
HE HAS A SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
THE PROPERTY WOULD ALLOW FOR JOBS TO ASSIST IN AN AREA THAT IS IN A DISADVANTAGED ZONE.
BOTH EAST AND WEST OF THIS SITE.
HE IS COMMITTED TO BUFFERING THE PROJECT.
ALSO RETAINING AND LEAVING THE 50-FOOT TREE KAHNTY THAT PISS AS WELL AS MAKING INVESTMENTS INTO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROGRAMS AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
SO I'M GOING TO TOSS IT BACK OVER TO JAMES TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE TECHNIQUE CALL...
TECHNICAL PIECES OF THE PLAN AND THE REZONING DESIRE CHANGES.
AS YOU KNOW FROM YOUR STAFF REPORTS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE TO ASK FOR THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TRANSMITTAL.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 22-05 AND A CONSIDERATION OF REZONING 22-18.
AND WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE CURRENT AND ALLOWABLE USES CURRENTLY, THE DESIRED LAND USE, AND THE EXPECTED OUTCOMES, AS YOU SEE FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT, MAP FROM THE RESIDENTIAL B CURRENTLY ALLOWED TO INDUSTRIAL FOR APPROXIMATELY 214.13 ACRES TO ALLOW FOR THIS INTERMODAL DISTRIBUTION FACILITY WITH REAL ACCESS TO THE RAIL.
THE FACILITIES PROPOSE TO CONTAIN LESS THAN 900,000.
APPROXIMATELY 850,000 SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSE.
INTERMODAL TERMINAL USES AND A COMMUTER RAIL SERVICE.
AND ALSO, AS YOU SAW FROM THE PACKET, A TEXT AMENDMENT HAS BEEN PROVIDED BECAUSE WE HEARD THE CONCERNS PREVIOUSLY THAT WE HAD NO INTENT TO DO ANY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR.
[00:15:01]
SO THERE IS A TEXT AMENDMENT THERE AS WELL TO PROHIBIT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES ON THE SITE.IF THIS IS CHANGED TO INDUSTRIAL.
THE STAFF REPORT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOCATION BETWEEN THE RAILWAY AND 214 MAKE IT AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION TO ALLOW FOR THE REQUESTED USE.
THE APPLICANT ASSERTS THAT THE PROPERTY IS UNIQUELY BUFERRED BY THE EXISTING WETLAND AREAS WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT.
THAT WILL HELP SEPARATING FROM THE INDUSTRIAL USE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL USES LOCATED IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THE APPLICATION MATERIALS SHOW, AS YOU SEE IN THE PACKET, THAT ANY OTHER UPLAND AREAS WILL BE RESTRICTED TO PRESERVATION OR STORMWATER RETENTION.
AS YOU WILL SEE IN A LITTLE BIT ON THE MAPS WE WILL SHOW YOU.
ADDITIONALLY, WE PLAN TO CONSTRUCT ALL OF OFF-SITE IMPROVEMENTS NECESSARY TO SERVE THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE EXPERTS FROM ENGINEERING WHO WILL COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND AGAIN, LASTLY, AS YOU SEE FROM THE STAFF REPORT, WE REQUEST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS APPROPRIATE CHANGE THAT WILL SERVE AGRICULTURAL AREAS BY ALLOWING THE TRANSPORTATION OF THEIR GOODS VIA INTERMODAL TRANSPORT AND HELPING TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC, AS YOU WILL SEE FROM OUR EXPERTS IN THE INDUSTRY WHO TALK ABOUT HOW INTERMODAL EXCHANGE FACILITIES WORK.
AND NO, TO KIND OF GO OVER IT REAL QUICKLY IN PRINT.
AS YOU KNOW AND YOU HEARD, THE CURRENT LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL B FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS OPEN RURAL.
WE ARE ASKING TO GO FROM RESIDENTIAL B TO INDUSTRIAL WITH HEAVY INDUSTRIAL PROHIBITED BY A TEXT AMENDMENT AS FAR AS THE ZONING WE ARE ASKING FROM OPEN RURAL TO INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE WHICH IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
AS FAR AS THE CURRENT USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN O.R., IN OPEN RURAL, THE POTENTIAL USES CURRENTLY ARE AGRICULTURAL, MINING, SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES, CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES, SOLID WASTE, INTENSIVE ANIMAL HIS BANDRY.
WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR 400-PLUS HOUSING UNITS.
OBVIOUSLY, THAT WOULD REQUIRE CONCURRENCEY.
THEY WOULD BE PREPARED TO DO THAT.
THE COUNTY HAS SYSTEMS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
AS FAR AS WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR, WE ARE ASKING FOR THE INDUSTRIAL WITH THE PROHIBITION OF HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES AND THE INTENDED PROJECT IS FOR THE WAREHOUSING, THE USE OF THE RAIL FOR THE CONNECTION TO TAKE TRUCKS OFF THE ROAD TO USE THE RAIL TRANSPORT GOODS THAT IS INTERMODAL EXCHANGE.
A COMMUTER RAIL CONNECTED TO THE SIMILAR AREA...
THE SAME AREA, PARKING TRAILS.
THESE BUFFERS THAT WE WILL LOOK INTO MORE SPECIFICALLY.
AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE IT EXTRA CLEAR THAT BECAUSE WE HEARD FOR COMPLAINTS AND THE CONCERNS LAST TIME.
THAT THERE WERE SOME USES IN THE INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY THAT WERE OFFENSIVE TO PEOPLE, AND SO THERE IS NO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL PROPOSED OR ALLOWED.
THEREFORE, AS I SAID, WE ARE HAVING THE TEXT AMENDMENT WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKET, AND I PUT IT ON THE SCREEN AS WELL, THAT PROHIBITS ANY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IF THIS IS TRANSMITTED AND ADOPTED.
IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT TALKS ABOUT AN OBJECTIVE A, .
11, IT TALKS ABOUT INDUSTRIAL.
THIS IS HOW IT WILL APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY.
IF THIS IS TRANSMITTED AND ADOPTED.
ALONG WITH OTHER USES COMPLEMENTARY OR COMPATIBLE TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES.
PERMITTED USES SHALL INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING AS DEFINED IN THE CODE: LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, MINING EXTRACTION, NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC SERVICE, GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE AND RESIDENTIAL AS AN ACCESSORY USE IF NEEDED.
THEY DON'T HAVE INTENT FOR THAT.
AND JUST TO KIND OF COMMENT FOR CHAIRMAN TALKED ABOUT INITIALLY.
WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE ZONING AS WELL FOR CONSIDERATION TO SHOW THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A REAL PROJECT.
IT IS NOT SOMEBODY COMING IN AND JUST ASKING FOR INDUSTRIAL OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THEY ARE COMMITTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
THAT IS WHY YOU SEE A LOT OF DETAIL TO THAT.
USUALLY, YOU DON'T SEE THAT WHEN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT COMES IN.
THIS, YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF DETAIL.
YOU WILL HEAR DETAIL FROM THE GROUP OF EXPERTS THAT HAVE BEEN ASSEMBLED.
AS AS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONSISTENCEY, WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO THIS MORE LATER.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WANT TO GO THROUGH IT BRIEFLY.
AND THAT IS YOU WILL SEE FROM THE MAPS AND WHEN YOU HEAR FROM THE EXPERTS, THAT AS FAR AS...
AS FAR AS COMPATIBILITY AND CONSISTENCY GO, ALONG 214 HERE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT THERE RECENTLY OR IN THE PAST, BUT WHEN YOU COME DOWN 214 FROM HOLMES AND YOU GET TO CARTER ROAD OR YOU GET TO POWER LINE ROAD, FROM THERE, ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE TO ADAMS ACRES OR DEERWOOD ACRES, HUNDREDS OF FEET, HUNDREDS OF FEET, ACTUALLY, THOUSANDS OF FEET FROM HERE TO HERE.
[00:20:04]
YOU GO AROUND THE CURVE RIGHT HERE.WHEN YOU GO AROUND THE CURVE HERE AT THE END OF THE PROPERTY, AGAIN, IT IS A STRETCH WITH TREES FOR HUNDREDS AND HUNDRED FEET ON BOTH SIDES.
IN ANY CASE, THE PROPOSED BUFFER BETWEEN...
YOU WILL HEAR FROM RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA HERE.
THE PROPOSED BUFFER IS ABOUT 1,200 FEET OR MORE ALONG THIS AREA.
THAT IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS OF TREES AND WETLANDS AND BUFFER.
SO WE WOULD ASSERT TO YOU THAT THAT BUFFERING MAKES THIS A VERY UNIQUE LOCATION WHERE YOU HAVE THE UPLANDS HERE IN THE MIDDLE.
WHICH IS WHERE, AS YOU CAN SEE OVERLAID HERE WHERE THE WAREHOUSE IS PROPOSED, YOU WOULD HAVE...
THIS IS THE RAIL LINE THAT COMES HERE.
YOU HAVE THE SPUR COMING INTO THE PROPERTY HERE.
THEN WE HAVE AN INTERINTERMODAL FACILITY HERE NEXT TO IT FOR SOME...
THEN WE HAVE PARKING ON EITHER SIDE.
SO AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF ANYTHING THAT IS GOING ON HERE IS WITHIN THE WAREHOUSE.
THE INTERMODAL IS HERE IN THE MIDDLE.
WHICH IS BUFFERED BY, AS I SAID, ABOUT FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS OF 50-FOOT-PLUS TREES AND WETLANDS.
YOU HAVE SIMILAR DISTANCES ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN TO THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
LIKE I SAID,LY GO THROUGH THE PARTICULAR SECTIONS OF THE PLAN.
THAT I WENT THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE COMP PLAN.
HOW THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR PLAN.
HOW IT PROMOTES THE GOALS THAT WE STRIVE TO ENCOURAGE.
WITH OUR LAND USES AND THE INTERACTION THEREOF WHILE MEETING BUFFERING AND COMPATIBILITY SO THEY CAN EXIST IN HARMONY.
WE BELIEVE THE GIVEN THOSE CHARACTERISTICS, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE TESTIMONY PROVIDED TODAY WILL SHOW YOU THAT VERY CLEARLY.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE USES FOR LIGHT SPRIL.
AS YOU KNOW, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS TYPICALLY WAREHOUSE USES.
MAY COVER A LARGE PORTION OF LAND.
YOU KNOW, THE NOISE, DUST, AIR QUALITY, IMPACTS ARE MINIMAL.
WE HEARD DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AT THE LAST HEARING.
AND THEY ARE MINIMAL BECAUSE IT IS WAREHOUSE USE.
AGAIN, WE HAVE SHOWN YOU SPECIFICALLY WHAT HE PLANS TO DO ON THE PROPERTY SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS A REAL USE.
AND AGAIN, AS I SAID, AS FAR AS COMPATIBILITY GOES, WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PARTICULARS MORE.
BUT THE FACT IS THAT THESE CENTRAL UPLANDS WHERE THE PROPOSED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES WILL EXIST ARE THREE TO FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS AWAY WITH TREES AND AREAS.
THERE ARE SOME UPLANDS ON THE WESTERN PORTION.
WE HEARD SOME COMPLAINTS THAT PUTTING PONDS OVER THERE MIGHT BE A PROBLEM.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF PLACES TO PUT PONDS IN OTHER AREAS OF THE PROPERTY.
SO I THINK THE INTENT WOULD BE TO KEEP THAT IN PRESERVATION SO THAT THIS...
YOU KNOW, THREE TO FOUR FOOTBALL FIELD DISTANCE OF 50-FOOT PLUS TREES AND WETLANDS WOULD BE A BUILT-IN BUFFER BETWEEN THEM AND THE RESIDENTS THAT YOU WILL HEAR FROM.
THEN FINALLY, WE BELIEVE THE REQUEST IS REASONABLE.
IN THE AREA, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR FUTURE LAND USE...
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT OR NOT, THIS IS THE RAIL LINE.
THIS IS DAVIS INDUSTRIAL PARK.
THIS IS THE FEC INDUSTRIAL PARK.
BOTH INDUSTRIAL LAND USES WITHIN THE COUNTY.
AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT LATER.
BUT DAVIS INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT YOU GET TO COMING OFF OF HOLMES BOULEVARD IS RIGHT NEXT TO THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA HERE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS THE RAIL LINE AND HERE IN THE MIDDLE IS WHERE THE PROPERTY IS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE.
INDUSTRIAL AS WELL OFF THE RAIL LINE.
I'M GOING TO BRING UP MR. MATT LOTTIE, OUR ENGINEER.
HE IS GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SITE PLAN, ET CETERA.
AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK TO TALKING MORE ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES AND SPECIFICS.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MATT LOTY, GULF STREAM DESIGN GROUP.
225A1A SOUTH ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.
AS JAMES AND I THINK YOU HAVE SEEN THIS GRAPHIC NUMEROUS TIMES WITHIN YOUR STAFF REPORT AND THE PRESENTATION TODAY, WE WILL GO INTO IT IN MORE DETAIL.
TO GIVE YOU GENERAL OVERVIEWS, YOU SAW THE SITE PLAN OVERLAID WITH THE LINE WORK IN ORANGE.
AND THIS BLACK AND WHITE KIND OF LETS YOU SEE THE BUILDINGS A LITTLE BIT
[00:25:02]
BETTER.YOU SEE DEPICTED IN THIS HATCH HERE, THE JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS.
WHAT YOU SEE IN THE BLACK CROSS HATCH IS THE 25-FOOT UPLAND BUFFER PER THE COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE WATER DISTRICT CRITERIA.
AS YOU CAN SEE, AND SOME OF THESE PERIMETER AREAS, WE HAVE DEPICTED PONDS.
AS WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN TO THE STORMWATER DESIGN.
WE ARE NOT ENTIRELY SURE EXACTLY HOW MUCH WE NEED.
THE INTENTION WOULD BE TO USE SOME OF THESE PRIFFIAL PERIPHERAL AREAS FOR THE RETENTION AND DETENTION TO AID IN THE BUFFERING.
AS JAMES MENTIONED AND THE TEAMS MENTIONED, THIS IS THE RAILROAD SPUR HERE.
WE WOULD ENTER THE SITE, HAVE THIS RAIL AREA IN THE CENTER WHERE CARS COULD OFF-LOAD.
YOU WILL HEAR FURTHER FROM OUR RAIL EXPERTS LATER ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFICS OF THIS.
THIS PARKING LOT WOULD BE INTENDED TO SERVE THE WAREHOUSE FACILITY, AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE PASSENGER COMMUTER RAIL AREA WITH SOME PARKING, RIDE-SHARING.
AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN THIS SLIDE BEFORE, WE HAVE VARIOUS COMPONENTS OF THE SITE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE WAREHOUSE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE COMMUTER RAIL.
AND HOW WE ARE WORKING, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THIS SITE, TO ACTIVELY PRESERVE...
THIS COUNTY ROAD 214 CONNECTION WILL DETAIL AND SHOW A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, REALLY THE MAIN IMPACT HERE WOULD BE THE TRELLIS.
THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ELEVATED TRELLIS.
IT WOULD MOSTLY BE TEMPORARY IMPACTS TO THESE WETLANDS TO CONSTRUCT THE FACILITIES.
WE ARE REALLY NOT INTENDING FOR ANY PERMANENT OPENINGS OR CROSSINGS THROUGH THESE WETLAND AREAS.
THE INTERCHANGE HERE AT 214 OR THE ACCESS, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS INTENDED TO HAVE A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF STACKING, DIRECTIONAL TURN LANES, AND TRULY FACILITATING INGRESS AND EGRESS HERE TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE WITH CONTROLLED SIGNALS.
YOU WILL HEAR MORE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION EXPERT.
SOME OF THE DATA PROCEEDING WITH THE TRIPS AND TRIP GENERATIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE SITE PLAN, SITE PLANNING COMPONENTS? SO FAR? FROM THE BOARD?
>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? F PERSPECTIVE AT THIS POINT?
>> LET'S HOLD OFF AND DO THE QUESTIONS AT THE END.
>> SO PART OF THE REASON I ORIGINALLY GOT INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT IS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRANSPORTATION PLANNING I HAVE BEEN DOING HERE IN ST. OHN'S COUNTY AS WELL AS ACROSS THE STATE.
ESPECIALLY WITH REGARDS TO RAILS, TRAILS, URBAN CENTERS.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ENGINEERS AND INDUSTRY LEADERS THAT YOU WILL HEAR FROM IN A MOMENT REGARDING THE RAIL ITSELF.
FAR BE IT FOR ME TO SAY I'M AN ENGINEER ON RAILROADS.
AS WELL AS LOGISTICS AND FREIGHT CONVERSATION.
AS A ST. JOHN'S COUNTY RESIDENT AND SOMEBODY WHO HAS WORKED IN TRANSPORTATION FOR A LONG TIME, I'M ON MY WAY UP TO THE CAPITOL NEXT WEEK REGARDING A COUPLE OF PROJECTS.
WE KNOW THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS THE TRAFFIC.
FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE, WE DID AN ANALYSIS.
WE DID BOTH FOR THE FUTURE RESIDENTIAL BF BASED ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWABLE.
RESTRICTION AND RESTRICTIONS AS WELL AS THE OWNER'S STATED INTENTION.
AS JAMES SAID, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE STRAIGHT COMP PLAN AND STRAIGHT ZONING.
ANYTHING THAT WE DO NOT ONLY IS IT GOING TO BE IN THE PURVIEW OF WHAT'S ALLOWED FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BUT IT WILL B CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY AS FAR AS CONNECTIONS TO THE COUNTY NETWORK.
SOME OF THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU SEE HERE, THERE IS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
IT IS ALSO TURNING AND DECELERATION LANES.
WE KNOW THAT SOME OTHER INDUSTRIAL PARKS WITHIN OUR COUNTY DON'T HAVE SIGNAL INTERSECTIONS.
THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCELERATION AND DECELERATION LANES.
WE DO HAVE CONFLICTS AT THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS.
WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THEM RIGHT NOW.
THERE IS ON THE SITE ITSELF, IS FOUR SEPARATE SITE RAIL TRACKS.
I WILL LET MIKE BELL SPEAK TO THAT IN A MOMENT.
THAT HAS TO DO WITH STORAGE AND THE ABILITY FOR THE SITE TO FUNCTION PROPERLY FOR THE
[00:30:01]
INTERMODAL EXCHANGE COMPONENT AS WELL AS FUTURE COMMUTER RAIL.IT WILL REQUIRE A SPUR FROM THE FEC LINE.
THAT IS PRETTY FAR FROM THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL.
ABOUT 1,200 FEET OR SO FROM THE BACK SIDE OF ANY RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AS FAR AS WHERE THE TRAINS WOULD DECELLE AND ENTER THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS A PAVED AND UNPAVED PARKING FOR THE STAGE AREA.
THERE IS SOME TRAVEL DEMAND STRATEGIES WE WILL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE.
I WILL EXPLAIN THAT IN A MINUTE.
THIS IS AN INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS TYPE OF SITE.
THERE IS A POTENTIAL TO CONNECT NORTH STATE ROAD 16.
THAT IS PART OF THE FUTURE POTENTIAL OF THIS PROJECT.
A I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.
ANY IMPROVEMENT OR CHANGE TO A PROPERTY IS GOING TO CAUSE AN IMPACT.
SO THE OPTION OR OUR JOB HERE TODAY IS TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S THE NET POSITIVE FOR THE COUNTY.
WHAT WILL BE THE BEST OUTCOME FOR THE COUNTY.
VERSUS A FUTURE RESIDENTIAL B LAND USE, WE ARE LOOKING AT LESS THAN HALF THE TRIPS.
EVEN WITH THE COMMUTER RAIL COMPONENT.
THE COUNTY ROAD 2141 CURRENTLY AT 64% OF CAPACITY.
ADDING THE INDUSTRIAL USE DOES ADD AN ADDITIONAL 25% TO THAT.
WE ARE STILL UNDER THE CAPACITY FOR THE ROAD TO FUNCTION AS IT IS.
AND WITH THE RECENT UPDATES TO HOLMES BOULEVARD INTERSECTION, THERE HAS BEEN SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING LENGTHENING SOME OF THE TURNING LANES.
IN THE EVENT OF A SITE PLAN, AND WE DID PULL SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT WE WILL SHOW YOU IN A LITTLE BIT, WE DID KIND OF DO A PLANRY, IF YOU WILL.
LOOKING AT WHAT THE SITE MIGHT LOOK LIKE SHOULD IT BE RESIDENTIAL B.
AND WHAT IS ALLOWED WITHIN THE CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
YOU WOULD SEE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THE CREEK BECAUSE OF THE NEED TO CONNECT THE UPLANDS AND RESIDENTS THEMSELVES TO MAKE THE PROPERTY FUNCTION.
YES, THERE WILL BE A MIXTURE OF USE...
OBVIOUSLY, AN INTERMODAL EXCHANGE.
THERE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT ENDS UP BEING THE OPERATOR THAT GOES WITHIN THE WAREHOUSING AND THE YARD.
I WILL LET MIKE AND JOHN TALK ABOUT.
THAT THAT WILL BE THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRUCK THAT YOU ACTUALLY SEE COMING IN OR OUT.
IT WILL CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THE TYPES OF TRUCKS.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY CHANGE THE VOLUME OF TRUCKS BASED ON OUR TRIP GENERATION ANALYSIS.
WITH SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, YOU ARE SEEING PREDOMINANTLY PEAK HOUR LOAD AND UNLOAD.
NOT ONLY IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT COUNTY ROAD 214 BY TRIPPING YOUR PERCENT NUMBER.
YOU WILL SEE THAT DURING YOUR ALREADY CURRENT ISSUE HOURS WITH THE LOADING AND UNLOADING OF THE MIDDLE SCHOOL DOWN THE STREET.
AS WELL AS BECAUSE THERE IS NOT CURRENTLY A 22 AND 9 PROJECT.
THIS WILL CONTINUE TO REQUIRE COUNTY OVERALL TO LOOK AT THE 214 OPERATIONS ANYWAY.
LONG STORY SHORT, AS A LAND PLANNING, AS A LAND PRACTICE, ANYTHING WE DO TO THE SITE WILL HAVE SOME KIND OF IMPACT.
WHETHER WE USE THE CURRENT RURAL ALLOWANCES AND BUILD SOMETHING ELSE THERE THAT IS ALLOWED WITHIN THE CURRENT ZONING OR WE GO AHEAD AND DO RESIDENTIAL B OR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF IMPACT TO THE NEARBY NEIGHBORS, AND SO LOOKING AT IT FROM A FUTURE LAND USE AND WHAT THE LESS INTENSIVE USE WOULD BE AND WHAT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE BUILT, THERE IS A COMMITMENT TO SOME OF THESE FEATURES THAT THE COUNT ITS CURRENT PLAN.
I'M ALSO GOING TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FIRST COAST RAIL.
SO THE FIRST COAST RAIL IS PART OF OUR...
WE ARE PART OF THE JACKSONVILLE AUTHORITY'S FOOTPRINT FOR FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THE FTA.
THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION.
THEY RECENTLY CAME TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND DID A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE DESIRE TO ACTUALLY GET OUR COMMUTER RAIL GOING FOR THIS REGION WHICH SHOULD HELP WITH SOME OF OUR TRIP OPTIONS AS FAR AS MOBILITY OPTIONS.
WE DID MEET WITH JTA IN DECEMBER.
AND NOT ONLY ARE THEY IN FAVOR OF THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF PROJECT, BUT THIS ALSO ALLOWS FOR ASSISTANCE WITH OPERATION TO GET PEOPLE COMING AND GOING FROM
[00:35:01]
ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.AS FAR AS RAIL GOES, WE CAN GO 500 MILES ON ONE GALLON OF DIESEL VERSUS TRUCKING PEOPLE BACK IN AND OUT OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND ST. JOHN'S COUNTY ON OUR ALREADY SWOLLEN INTERSTATE SYSTEM.
WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE FIRST COAST RAIL STUDY IS THAT UP UNTIL THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT CAME ABOUT, THEY WERE HAVING A DIFFICULTY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WOULD MAKE THAT OPERATIONAL BECAUSE WHERE DO YOU PUT THE RAIL CARS AT THE BEGINNING AND THE END OF THE DAY TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE STAGING PROPERLY FOR SCHEDULING? IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH RAIL AND THE SUCCESS THAT WE ARE HAVING IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WITH THE SUN RAIL IN CENTRA SOUTH.
WHAT HAS MADE A SIGNIFICANT JUMP IN RIDERSHIP NUMBERS IS THE AVAILABILITY OF ROUTINE OPERATIONS SO YOU KNOW YOU CAN GET WHERE YOU ARE GOING AND GET BACK HOME.
THAT HAS BEEN PLAGUING THIS PARTICULAR RAIL CORRIDOR FOR A LONG TIME.
BECAUSE JTA MUST SERVICE ST. OHN'S COUNTY.
THEY ARE NOT ONLY ALLOWED TO SERVICE DUVAL COUNTY AND THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE.
SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THERE IS ALSO APPROXIMATELY 12,000 ADDITIONAL ACRES TO THE WEST WITH ANOTHER 25,000 ADDITIONAL ACRES TO THE SOUTHWEST OF I-95.
IT IS CURRENTLY FUTURE LAND USE RESIDENTIAL B.
THAT IS PART OF THE 2209 CONNECTION.
DURING THE PROCESS OF THAT PARTICULAR AMENDMENT ALLOWING 2209 TO COME THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THEN THAT 2209 WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE CONGESTION.
IT DID NOT IDENTIFY ANY OTHER ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AS FAR AS 214 TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF DESTINATIONS THAT ALREADY EXISTS WITH ALREADY TRAFFIC ISSUES.
WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT A COMMUTER RAIL PLATFORM AT THIS LOCATION ALSO IS GOING TO ALLOW COMMUTER TRAFFIC IN AND OUT FOR THE ANTICIPATED RESIDENTS FOR THOSE PARTICULAR SIZED PROJECTS.
WHICH RIVALED BASICALLY A SILVER LEAF.
I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE THAT THE GROWTH OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS IMPORTANT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE PLACES FOR THE FUTURE.
TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, AS A SINGLE MOM, TRY FOG MAKE SURE I'M DOING WELL FOR MY CHILD.
AM I GOING TO HAVE A PLACE FOR HIM? ARE WE STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE ABOUT IN THE FUTURE OR BE IN FULL GRIDLOCK LIKE WE SAW IN HOUSTON? WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR MOBILITY OPTIONS.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE CORE FOCUSES ON THAT STUDY.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE VERY SIGNIFICANT AND VERY REAL REASONS TO ADOPT RAIL.
WE ARE SEEING THEM IN FLORIDA.
I THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR SITE OFFERS THAT AS A HUGE BENEFIT TO OUR COUNTY.
AND THE LOCATION WITH A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER THAT IS COMMITTED TO THE LIVABILITY OF OUR COUNTY.
SO NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, AS FAR AS THE TECHNICAL GOES, I'M GOING TO BRING UP MICHAEL BELL TO LET HIM TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE DESIGN ASPECTS.
SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE IT GOES.
WHERE THE RAIL ACTUALLY IS GOING TO GO.
AND THE GEOMETRY AND THE OTHER QUESTIONS.
I HAVE BEEN IN THE RAIL BUSINESS FOR 30-PLUS YEARS.
I WORKED FOR CSX AS A CONSULTANT FOR OTHER RAILROADS.
FLORIDA EAST COAST, AND ALSO NORFOLK SOUTHERN.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE INTERMODAL EXCHANGE AREA.
THIS AREA WILL ALLOW FOR MULTIPLE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION TO COME IN AND OUT OF THIS FACILITY.
THAT MEANS THAT TRAINS WILL BRING IN A COMMODITY, AND THEY WILL BRING IT TO THE SITE.
FROM THERE IT WOULD BE OFF LODED AND SEND TO ITS USER.
THIS TYPE OF STUFF COULD BE GRAVEL.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IT WILL TAKE A LOT OF TRUCKS OFF THE ROADS THAT ARE BRINGING IT UP HERE CURRENTLY.
THIS PLAN WILL CONNECT TO THE FLORIDA EAST COAST RAILROAD SYSTEM.
FLORIDA EAST COAST RUNS FROM MIAMI UP TO JACKSONVILLE.
THERE IS A FAR-REACHING FOOTPRINT ALL THE WAY INTO THE COUNTRY ANYWHERE.
BRINGING MATERIALS FROM REALLY ANYWHERE TO THIS LOCATION CAN BE DONE MOSTLY BY RAIL.
AGAIN, THE BENEFITS, AS YOU TAKE A LOT OF THIS TRUCK TRAFFIC AND PUT IT ON RAILS.
MORE OF THAT TO COME WITH SOME FOLLOWING SLIDES.
THE RAIL ITSELF, THE RAIL FEATURES.
[00:40:03]
AGAIN, WE ARE CONNECTING TO THE FLORIDA EAST COAST, AND WHERE WE ARE CONNECTING IS ACTUALLY ON...IT IS NOT A MAIN LINE OF THE FLORIDA EAST COAST.
WHY THAT IS BENEFICIAL IS THAT WHEN THE FEC BRINGS THE CARS TO SERVICE THIS FACILITY, THEY HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO DO IT.
THEY ARE NOT CONSTRAINED BY MAIN-LINE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN AND INTERFERING WITH THEIR MOVES.
THEY HAVE TIME TO ACTUALLY SEND IT OUT AND SWITCH IT TO THIS FACILITY AND DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
AGAIN, WE WILL HAVE THE CONNECTION TO THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL CONNECTION TO THE FEC.
THAT WILL BE A NUMBER TEN TURNOUT.
THAT PROVIDES THE RIGHT GEOMETRY FOR THEM TO BRING THE CARS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
WE PLAN ON BUILDING A SECOND TRACK ADJACENT TO THE FEC TRACK.
THAT WILL ALLOW THE FEC TO BRING A CUT OF CARS DOWN.
WHEN THEY NEED TO TAKE A LOCOMOTIVE AND TAKE IT FROM ONE END OF THE TRAIN AND PUT IT TO THE OTHER END, THEY CAN DISCONNECT THE LOCOMOTIVE, RUN AROUND IT AND RECONNECT IT FROM THE OTHER END.
AND DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO.
EITHER DEPART, SWITCH TO THE YARD OR WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO.
IT IS AN OPERATIONAL REALLY REQUIREMENT THAT IS NECESSARY.
IT IS OTHER THING WE HAVE GOING ON THERE, AS HEATHER SAID, WE HAVE SEVERAL TRACKS INTO THE FACILITY.
WE HAVE A COUPLE UNLOADING TRACKS.
THESE TRACKS HAVE BEEN MAXIMIZED BUT MINIMIZED TO AVOID IMPACTS OF THE WETLAND, AS YOU CAN SEE.
THE YARD AS IT BRANCHES OUT DOESN'T IMPACT THAT WETLAND AREA.
THESE TRACKS WILL BE SPACED AND COMPLY WITH THE FEC STANDARDS.
AS FAR AS PROVIDING FOR UNLOADING REQUIREMENTINGS.
THE LAST THING IS, IT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE IN ORANGE.
WE WILL HAVE A TRESSEL GOING OVER THAT WETLAND.
THAT IS STRICTLY TO MINIMIZE ANY WETLAND IMPACTS.
WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO JOHN.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH Y'ALL.
I'M AN 18-YEAR LOGISTICS AND SUPPLY CHAIN PROFESSIONAL.
A SHORT-LINE HOLDING COMPANY IN DENVER.
MOST RECENTLY, WHEN WE MOVED BACK TO ST. AUGUSTINE, WE HAVE 18 TERMINALS ACROSS THE U.S.
AND MY OFFICE IS AT TYLER ROAD AT THE JACKSONVILLE PORT AUTHORITY.
I HAVE HAD A VERY INTERESTING CAREER.
WHEN I GRADUATED FROM SCHOOL, I CAME DOWN TO FLORIDA.
I DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE DOORS...
THE DOORS THAT WOULD OPEN UP FOR ME.
ALSO OPENING MY EYE ON WHAT IT TAKES TO MOVE PRODUCT AND DELIVER GOODS.
BRING SHIPPERS, MANUFACTURERS TO THE MARKETS AND TO CONSUMERS THAT NEED THOSE PRODUCTS.
SO I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH CUSTOMERS OVER THE PAST 18 YEARS TO DEVELOP SUSTAINABLE AND COST-COMPETITIVE...
I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
IT IS WORKING WITH PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS TO DELIVER SUSTAINABLE COST-EFFECTIVE AND SAFE SOLUTIO GOODS TO MAKE IT TO AND FROM MARKETS.
THERE IS A LOT OF MAGIC THAT HAPPENS FROM WHEN WE AS CONSUMERS GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND GETS OUR GOODS OR GO TO WALMART OR TARGET, OR HAVE THOSE MAGIC AMAZON BOXES SHOW UP AT THE FRONT DOOR.
MOST OF US DON'T REALIZE THEY ARE BROUGHT IN BY VESSEL, ON RAILROAD OR TRUCK AND DELIVERED TO A FINAL DESTINATION.
THERE IS A LOT THAT GOES INTO THIS.
IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY OR ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE SUPPLY CHAIN, WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THIS.
>> EXIEM EXCITED ABOUT THIS...
I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR THE POTENTIAL TO THE COMMUNITY IMMEDIATELY.
IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, TODAY THE COMPANY I WORK WITH, WE LOAD AND UNLOAD VESSELS, CONTAINERS AT THE PORTS.
WE MOVE THEM IN OUR WAREHOUSE OR IMMEDIATELY TO TRUCKS.
[00:45:02]
TO MAKE IT DIRECTLY TO A GROCERY STORE OR SMALLER DISTRIBUTION CENTER.THIS PROJECT WILL REDUCE TRUCK CONGESTION ON FLORIDA HIGHWAYS.
AND OUR LOCAL SURFACE ROADS WILL HAVE IMPROVED QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR STATE AND LOCAL RESIDENTS.
WE HAVE SEEN THE GROWTH OVER THE LAST 10-15 YEARS IN FLORIDA.
THE GROWTH HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT.
I'M NOT A NATURAL-BORN FLORIDIAN.
I LIVED HERE IN THE EARLY 80S.
I MOVED AWAY AS A MILITARY BRAT.
IT HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE TO GROW UP BETWEEN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND DUVAL.
THERE IS A LOT OF PROJECTS AND CARGO MATERIAL TO MAKE THE GROWTH SUSTAINABLE.
THERE IS GOING TO BE REDUCED FUEL CONSUMPTION AND EMISSIONS BY MOVING PRODUCT BY RAIL.
WHETHER IT IS A RAIL CAR OR A BOX THAT COMES FROM A CONTAINER OR MANUFACTURING FACILITY.
YOU WILL HAVE LOW IMPACT BECAUSE OF THE EFFICIENCIES OF RAIL.
THERE WILL BE LOWER IMPACT ON THE ROADS.
I DRIVE 95 EVERY DAY TO JACKSONVILLE.
AS PART OF MY JUST SUPPLY CHAIN BRAND, I'M ALWAYS COUNTING THE TRUCKS.
WONDERING WHERE THAT PRODUCT CAME FROM AND HOW IT GOT HERE.
DID IT COME FROM A MOTOR TRAIN OR A TRUCK HAUL? THOSE ARE ADDITIONAL TRUCKS ON THE ROAD.
INTERMODELY, WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE TRAINS THAT RUN NORTH.
THE OTHER SIDE FROM MY END WOULD BE THE LAND USE.
WHEN OFF FACILITY LIKE THIS THAT ALLOWS FOR SHIPPERS AND CONSUMERS TO HAVE A SOLUTION SET IN THEIR BACKYARD, IF YOU HAD A DISTRIBUTION CENTER, AN OPERATION AND WAREHOUSE OR A TRANSIT LOAD...
TRANSIT OPERATION WHERE YOU HAVE A SHIPPER WHO WANTS TO MOVE A PRODUCT LIKE POTATOES GROWN HERE IN FLORIDA, THEY NEED TO GET INTO A RAIL CAR TO GO FURTHER NORTH TO THE MARKETS.
OFF LOCATION HERE WHERE YOU CAN DO THAT.
YOU CAN BRING THE TRUCK IN, PUT IT IN A RAIL CAR OR CONTAINER.
THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO SUPPLY CHAIN.
HOPEFULLY, I CAN PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT.
THE PICTURE UP ON THE TOP RIGHT, THAT IS THE FEC YARD RIGHT OF U.S.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS BLOCKED IN BY U.S.
AND THE RESIDENTS TO THE LEFT.
AN EXAMPLE OF THE CAPACITY BENEFIT, WHEN OFF TRAIN OF CARS COMING...
CONTAINERS OR OTHERWISE, THEY NEED TO GET SOUTH OR THEY WANT TO GET TO A DISTRIBUTION CENTER THAT IS CLOSE BY, THAT YARD ONLY HAS SO MUCH IT CAN HANDLE.
SO IT ALLEVIATES THE ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY.
IT HELPS WITH THE OPERATION AND THUS, PROVIDING MORE EFFICIENT CARGO MANAGEMENT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, TO THE MAP UNDERNEATH IT, THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE REST OF THE U.S.
YOU CAN GET TO ALL THE MAJOR CONSUMPTION OR MANUFACTURING POINTS IN THE U.S.
AT LEAST ON THE EAST COAST AND WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS OF TRANSIT.
SO THIS AGAIN, THIS SITE PROVIDES LOGISTICS ADVANTAGES TO SHIPPERS AND THE CONSUMER BASE.
WITHOUT SITES LIKE THIS, YOU DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT.
THEY STAY WITHIN THE EXISTING CONFINES OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
THERE IS CONTINUED NEED OF PRODUCTS.
YOU NEED INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN SUSTAINABLY GROW AND MEET THE DEMANDS OF THE CONSUMERS AND THE COMMUNITY.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE I'VE GOT A PICTUREOS OF OUR TERMINAL.
THAT ON THE BOTTOM, YOU SEE THERE THE TERMINAL.
WE HAVE OVER 7715,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE.
WE HAVE 18 TERMINALS ACROSS THE EAST COAST AND THE MIDWEST.
THESE TYPES OF SITES ENABLE GOODS AND PRODUCTS TO FLOW EFFICIENTLY AND TO GET TO THE CONSUMER WHERE THEY ARE EITHER DIRECT TO CONSUMER OR FURTHER GOING INTO A MANUFACTURING OR CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
TODAY MORE THAN EVER, WE ARE HEARING THE NEWS...
IN THE PAST, WE DID NOT HEAR ABOUT THE SUPPLY CHAIN CRISIS.
[00:50:02]
THERE IS A CRISIS AT THE PORTS.CAUSING SHIPMENTS TO BE DELAYED.
THE INCREASED COST OF TRANSPORTATION.
IT SLOWS UP EVERYTHING BECAUSE THE CAPABILITY OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS CHALLENGED.
AND ULTIMATELY, THAT DRIVES PRICES UP FOR US AS THE INDIVIDUAL CONSUMER.
WE ARE HEARING ABOUT INFLATION.
IT IS ALL DRIVEN FUNDAMENTALLY BY THE ABILITY TO MOVE THINGS EFFECTIVELY, EFFICIENTLY, AND SAFELY.
BY PUTTING ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE, IT BENEFITS ALL OF US.
AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, HAVING A FACILITY LIKE THIS WILL ENABLE THAT KIND OF EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT GROWTH.
WE ARE THE THIRD LARGEST POPULATION IN THE U.S.
OVER 100 MILLION TOURISTS PER YEAR.
THEY DO A LOT OF CONSUMING, DRIVING.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO SUSTAIN THAT TO MEET THOSE NEEDS AND DEMANDS.
THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY LIKE THIS.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THE INDUSTRIAL PARK WILL COMPLEMENT ENHANCED REGIONAL RAIL AND INTERMODAL OPERATIONS.
IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHETHER WE ARE PARTICIPATING OR NOT.
THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS UP AND DOWN THE RAILROAD.
BUT THIS UNIQUE LOCATION FITS FEC'S NEEDS.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE YARD ONLY HAS SO MUCH CAPACITY.
THE NEXT AVAILABLE YARD IS MUCH FURTHER SOUTH.
AND THE CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND SCHEDULE HAS TRAINS THAT RUN SOUTH BY ENABLING AN OPERATIONAL TENANT TO RECEIVE CONTAINERS OR TO RECEIVE BOX CARS.
THEN TRANSLATE THOSE IN AND OUT.
THAT FACILITATES AN ENHANCEMENT TO THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
AS I MENTIONED, OUR TERMINAL HAS SO MUCH WE CAN OFFER.
WE HAVE TO TURN AWAY BUSINESSES AND COMPANIES THAT ARE LOOKING TO COME TO NORTHEAST FLORIDA.
LUMBER, PERISHABLES, INTERNATIONAL CONTAINERS.
THAT IS A MASSIVE ISSUE FROM SAVANNAH TO CHARLESTON.
THOSE CONTAINERS COME IN AND THEY HAVE TO IMMEDIATELY GO BACK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THEY CAN GO BACK OVERSEAS TO ORIGIN PORTS OR TO WHERE THOSE PRODUCTS ARE GOING.
PRODUCT HAS TO BE TRANS-LOADED FROM AN INTERNATIONAL BOX INTO A 53-FOOT DOMESTIC CONTAINER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT FURTHER.
HAVING THE ABILITY TO DO THAT CAN PROVIDE THAT SERVICE FOR THESE SHIPPERS AND CONSUMERS.
AGAIN, INFRASTRUCTURE IS CRITICAL THORD IN ORDER TO MAKE THINGS SMOOTH AND COMPETITIVE IN THE GLOBAL MARKET.
>> OTHER THAN THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT COMPANY FOR DR. HINMAN AND HIS PROPERTIES.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR DR. HINMAN SINCE APPROXIMATELY 2005.
ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT HE HAS ON EACH ONE OF HIS PROPERTIES.
THIS PROPERTY FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL END, WE CAME IN, LOOKED AT IT.
WE FLAGGED THIS SITE, THE WETLANDS ON THE SITE.
WHEN THEY FIRST ORIGINALLY BROUGHT IT TO US IN THE MID-2000'S.
WE WILL GET INTO THIS ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, THERE IS MINIMAL IMPACTS TO THE WETLANDS.
THEY BROUGHT UP THE RESIDENTIAL.
I WOULD ANTICIPATE YOU WOULD HAVE MORE WETLANDS THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE UPLANDS THAT YOU HAVE.
THEY HAVE CONVERTED A LOT OF THE SITE IN THE PAST FEW YEARS TO CATTLE.
THEY HAVE DONE WELL WITH THE CATTLE ON OTHER PROPERTIES.
AS PART OF THE AG MANAGEMENT PLAN, THEY HAD ENVISIONED THIS AREA AS CATTLE PASTURE.
THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF THAT IS GOING TO REMAIN.
[00:55:05]
(INAUDIBLE) UNDER THE PROPOSED PROJECT, THE ONLY DIRECT IMPACT WOULD BE FOR THE TRELLIS, AKA, A BRIDGE.ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS THEY BELIEVED IT WAS GOING TO BE FILLED...
YOU ARE BASICALLY JUST DEALING WITH PILINGS.
WE WENT BACK AND EXPLAINED THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO CROSSINGS, THERE IS REALLY NOTHING BETTER THAN A BRIDGE.
IT DOESN'T JUST COVER THE WETLAND PART.
IT ALLOWS SPECIES TO CROSS UNDER WITHIN DRY AREAS.
NOT IN JUST WET PARTS OF THE CREEK ITSELF.
THAT PART, YOU KNOW, IS REALLY GOOD.
ANOTHER DIFFERENCE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, THERE IS...
RESIDENTIAL DOESN'T TYPICALLY BUILD BRIDGES.
RESIDENTIAL TYPICALLY FILLS IT AND PUT A CULVERT IN.
SO JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF IT.
THERE IS PLENTY OF UPLAND BUFFERS REMAINING ON THE SITE.
I IS A LOT OF WHITE THAT IS JUST BLANK.
THAT PROVIDES POTENTIAL FOR, IF THEY NEED ADDITIONAL STORMWATER OR THEY DON'T NEED ADDITIONAL STORMWATER, IT COULD BE BUFFERS.
RIGHT NOW WE SHOW THIS BUFFER.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THERE IS MORE ROOM TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE WAY MORE THAN 25 FEET.
THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR WITH THEIR SITE PLAN DESIGN.
THERE IS GOING TO BE PLENTY OF ROOM THERE FOR PROVIDING THE UPLAND BUFFER.
THE STORMWATER DESIGN WILL INCORPORATE TREATMENT OF THE WATER BEFORE IT REACHES THE CREEK.
THAT IS ALL PART OF THE ST. OHN'S WATER DEPARTMENT.
THIS PROJECT WITH ONLY THE TRELLIS IMPACT, IT DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF PRESERVING THE HEADWATERS.
SPECIFICALLY, ON THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WE COMPLETED AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.
AGAIN, WE HAVE DELINEATED THE SITE IN THE MID-2000S.
WE LOOKED AT IT AGAIN MAYBE TEN YEARS AGO.
AND THEN RECENTLY FLAGGED HIT THE YEAR.
ACCORDING TO CHANNELER THE 6340.
THE WETLAND LINES HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE STATE.
THIS WILL BE ACTUALLY COVERED...
THIS WILL BE A FEDERAL WETLAND WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS BECAUSE THE CREEK IS STILL CONSIDERED WATERS THAT ARE RETAINED.
THIS WILL ACTUALLY GO TO THE CORPS.
THAT IS THE ONLY ISSUE WE WILL DEAL WITH.
SPECIES-WISE, AGAIN, THIS SITE HAS BEEN USED FOR AG FOR YEARS.
WE SURVEYED THE SANDY SCRUB TO THE WEST.
(INAUDIBLE) THE CREEK ITSELF IS BEING PRESERVED.
THE WETLAND-DEPENDENT SPECIES ARE UTILIZING THE CREEK.
AND AGAIN, THE BUFFERS, WE CAN EASILY MEET COUNTY REQUIREMENTS FOR BUFFERS.
AND POTENTIALLY, HOPEFULLY, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BUFFERS TO THE CREEK WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE THE CODE HAS GONE.
BECAUSE EVERY LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE CREEKS IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.
YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP RIGHT THERE.
YOU SEE THE LINES GOING AROUND THE GREEN.
THERE IS POTENTIAL ON THIS SITE TO PROVIDE MORE.
THAT WOULD BE THE HOPE AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
[01:00:07]
THAT IS IT FOR ME.AIM AN ATTORNEY FROM TALLAHASSEE, FLORIDA.
FOR THE STUDY, WE HAD THEM COMMISSIONED TO LOOK INTO THE FISCAL AND ECONOMIC IMPACT.
I'M GOING TO PLAY ECONOMIST FOR A FEW MINUTES.
WE WILL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ECONOMIC AND FISCAL BENEFITS OF THIS PROJECT.
BOTTOM LINE UP FRONT, THE PROJECT PROVIDES A SUBSTANTIAL BENEFIT DIRECTLY TO THE COUNTY FISCAL IMPACT.
THERE IS ADDITIONAL SUBSTANTIAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOTH DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY IN TERMS OF THE JOB CREATION AND WEALTH GENERATION FROM THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FISCAL IMPACT, YOU CAN SEE THAT STARTING WITH THE ANTICIPATED BILL, IT IS A SLOW START.
THAT WILL CATCH UP WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
ULTIMATELY, ACCUMULATING TO 2050.
NECESSARY FISCAL ANNUAL IMPACT OF ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND OVERALL, CUMULATIVE GENERATION OF $21 MILLION.
THOSE ARE DOLLARS DIRECT TO THE COUNTY AS RELATED TO TAX REVENUE.
IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC IMPACT, THE PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT IN TERMS OF ANTICIPATING TO EMPLOY ALMOST 2,000 INDIVIDUALS AND GENERATING $7 MILLION IN MEASURED RETURN.
YOU LOOK AT THE INDIRECT IMPACT AND THE PURCHASING, THE PARTICIPATION IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
YOU WILL SEE SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER IMPACT.
SUPPORTING CLOSE TO 2,700 JOBS.
GENERATING $160 MILLION IN ANNUAL REVENUE.
WITH A CONTRIBUTION OF $230 MILLION IN TERMS OF GDP.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL-INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY BEING PROPOSED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, NATIONALLY, WE ARE UNDERPERFORMING IN THE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IN THESE PARTICULAR AREAS, IN COMMERCIAL AREAS.
THIS PROJECT IS SPECIFICALLY TARGETING.
AN ADVERSE CONDITION FOR THE COUNTY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAGES AND BENEFITS PER EMPLOYEE THAT THESE TYPES OF INDUSTRIES BRING AGAINST OTHER INDUSTRY THAT IS ARE MORE PREVAILING.
YOU NEED THIS TYPE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
TO FACILITATE THE AVAILABILITY OF THESE MARKET BENEFITS BEING RECEIVED.
WRAP IT UP, WE WILL GET BACK TO SOME OF THE WARM AND FUZZIES.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING, AND I THINK YOU ARE HEARING IT FROM A LOT OF THE PROFESSIONALS HERE, BOTH LOCAL AND TECHNICAL EXPERTS THAT WE BROUGHT IN FROM OUTSIDE OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS THAT...
YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IN HERE HAS NEEDS, AND EVERYBODY IN HERE REQUIRES SEVERAL THINGS EVERY DAY FROM OUR COUNTY IN THE FORM OF UTILITY AND ROADS, JOBS, HEALTH CARE, AND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE OF THE UNIQUE PROPERTIES THAT WE...
ONE OF THE UNIQUE ADVANTAGES THAT WE HAVE AS A COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW IS REALLY STARTING TO THINK ABOUT OUR FUTURE LAND USE AND THINGS WE MAYBE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT 20-0 YEARS AGO WHEN SOME OF THE COMP PLAN WAS SET IN STONE.
AS WE ALL KNOW, SOME OF THE HISTORY OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY MAY HAVE LED TO CERTAIN TYPES OF FUTURE LAND USE THAT PROHIBITED CERTAIN COMMUNITIES FROM BEING ABLE TO THRIVE AND GROW.
I THINK THAT THOSE ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN THINK ABOUT TODAY FROM A GOALS PERSPECTIVE.
BASICALLY, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A COMPREHENSIVE LIST.
LY NOT GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE.
JUST TO KIND OF SHOW WHERE THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND HAVING IT UTILIZED AS AN INTERMODAL EXCHANGE FACILITY ACTUALLY MEETS A LOT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBJECTIVES OUTSIDE...
[01:05:01]
AS SOMEONE WHO HAS WORKED IN TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT AS A WAY TO CONNECT COMMUNITIES AND LIVABLE COMMUNITIES FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS LOCALLY AS AN ADVOCATE, FOR THINGS LIKE BIEBING AND WALKING AND ACCESSIBLABILITY TO HEALTH CARE, I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON SYSTEM OF THESE BOARDS.INCLUDING THE PLANNING ORGANIZATION AND NATIONAL BIKE WALK AND SOME OF THE ADA.
WHAT'S SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS IT DOES MEAN...
MEET A LOT OF THE OTHER NARRATIVE THAT IS OCCURRING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AS WELL AS SOME REGIONAL EFFORTS WITH JTA, THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL, INITIATIVES AS FAR AS RETAINING AND, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING SOME NEW SENATE BILLS WITH REGARDS TO RECHARGING THE AQUAER IF AQUA FIR.
THIS CHIEF SITE, THIS IS THE VISION OF A PERSON WHO LIST HERE LOCALLY THAT INTENDS ON M THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE KIND OF SHOWN YOU OUR CARDS TODAY.
WE HAVE BEEN UP HERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
WHEN WE SAY WE ARE DOING THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE ONLY BEEN PART OF THIS PROJECT TEAM FOR A FEW MONTHS.
THEY HAVE BEEN AT IT FOR A LONG TIME.
SURE, THERE IS A RETURN ON INVESTMENT TO HIM.
GOSH, WOULDN'T BE AWESOME TO OWN THAT MANY DOCTOR'S OFFERS AND AFFECT THAT MANY PEOPLE AND THEN TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE KINDS OF FUNDS.
WHAT EAST INTERESTING IS THAT HE HAS EVERY INTENT, GOOD, BAD, OR INDIFFERENT, TO DO GOOD WITH WHAT HE'S GOT AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
IT ALLIANCE WITH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
LASTLY, JUST REALLY BRIEFLY, ABOUT STAKETHE HOLDER ENGAGEMENT AND SUPPORT, THAT IS COMPLEX PROJECT.
NO DOUBT, THERE IS INTERESTING NUANCED PROJECTS WITHIN A PROJECT FROM AN INTERMODAL EXCHANGE FACILE TOY TO COMMUTER RAIL.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RAIL TRELLISES AND ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT PROBABLY HAVEN'T BEEN BUILT IN THE LAST 20-0 YEARS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
THERE HAS BEEN INTENSE CONVERSATIONS.
WHEN WE ORIGINALLY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE MEETING IN THE BEGINNING OF DECEMBER, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE CONTACT INFORMATION TO ALL THE RESIDENTS.
WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM ANY OF THEM PERSONALLY.
WE DID ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH COUNTY STAFF ON THE SITE ITSELF.
JUST TO KIND OF PUT EVERYBODY'S MIND AT EASE.
THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT TIMBERING AND OTHER ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS NOT OCCURRING.
WE WENT OUT AND THERE IS JUST COWS KIND OF GRAZING AROUND.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS INTERESTING ALSO IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ANY PROJECT YOU DO IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT.
AND SO WE ALSO SPOKE WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF STAKE-HOLDERS.
WE ARE PART OF A NETWORK AND A CONTINUUM OF COMMUNITY.
TO JACKSONVILLE SOUTH OF US, WE HAVE EXISTING OTHER RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
WE HAVE EXISTING NEEDS IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
AND SO WE DID TAKE THE TIME OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS TO GO AND ATTEMPT TO MEET WITH PEOPLE THAT WERE WILLING.
AND, AND ALSO MEET SOME OF THE COUNTY REQUIREMENTS OF DOING THE MAILERS TO RESIDENTS AND THESE KINDS OF THINGS, PROVIDING CONTACT INFORMATION AND OUR AVAILABILITY OF SEVERAL OF OUR TECHNICAL CONSULTANTS.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GOING TO GIVE IT BACK TO JAMES.
>> SO AGENCY MEMBERS, AS YOU KNOW, OUR REQUEST HERE IS TO ASK THAT YOU RECOMMEND TRANSMITTAL OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR...
WHAT REALLY AMOUNTS TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AS YOU SEE FROM THE TEXT AMENDMENT WHICH PROHIBITS ANY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
AND ALL OF THAT AS WE TALKED ABOUT FROM THE BEGINNING, CAN BE ASSURED BECAUSE YOU SEE THE ZONING THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR.
WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE.
THAT ALLOWS FOR THE WAREHOUSING ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
YOU SEE AN ACTUAL PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
YOU HAVE HEARD FROM THE EXPERTS AS FAR AS HOW THIS WOULD OPERATE.
YOU HAVE HEARD THE NEED FOR IT.
THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS FOR COMPENCE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS.
YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY.
BEFORE WE CONCLUDE AND GO TO QUESTIONS OR PUBLIC COMMENT, I WANTED TO GO TO THE OVERHEAD AND SHOW YOU TWO LAST THINGS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON.
SO THIS IS OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE COUNTY WITHIN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
[01:10:01]
ON THE LEFT IS THE BULK OF THE PLAN ITSELF.AS YOU CAN SEE, AND AS YOU KNOW, YELLOW IS INDUSTRIAL.
ON THE RIGHT, THEY CAN ZOOM IN MORE ON THE RIGHT.
YOU CAN SEE I HAVE GONE AND I HAVE CIRCLED...
THERE ARE FIVE INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE SITES WITHIN ALL OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY THAT I CAN IDENTIFY.
THE ONE TO THE SOUTH, THAT IS HYDROALUMINUM.
THE ONE JUST UP 95 BY 207, THAT IS THE FEC INDUSTRIAL SITE.
OFF THE RAILROAD LINE THAT I SHOWED YOU EARLIER.
THE ONE JUST ABOVE THAT IS DAVIS INDUSTRIAL PARK.
NOT TOO FAR FROM WHERE THIS SITE IS.
WHICH CONNECTS DIRECTLY TO 214.
AND THEN TO THE NORTH, YOU SEE TWO ADDITIONAL SITES.
ONE IS THE ST. MARK'S POND INDUSTRIAL SITE.
YOU NOTICE INTERNATIONAL GULF PARKWAY.
SOUTH OF THAT BY THE AIRPORT, INDUSTRIAL SITES THAT THE AIRPORT HAS.
AS I SAID, THERE IS ONLY FIVE SITES WITHIN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, AND NOT MANY OF THEM DOING WAREHOUSING OR INTERMODAL EXCHANGE.
INDUSTRIAL RESC, MIXED-USE DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE INDUSTRIAL PARK WE SPOKE OF.
THE SITE WE ARE PROPOSING IS DOWN HERE.
AGAIN, YOU SEE INDUSTRIAL APPROVED.
THIS IS DAVIS INDUSTRIAL PARK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
SOUTH OF THAT, AS I SAID, THE RESC, RESIDENTIAL HERE, THERE ARE NO BUFFERS HERE.
THIS CONTINUES TO EXIST FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
SUCCESSFULLY, RIGHT OFF HOLMES BOULEVARD.
HERE YOU HAVE ANOTHER SITE HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
INDUSTRIAL SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL C.
THIS, AS YOU MAY KNOW, IS THE HYDRO-ALUMINUM INDUSTRIAL SITE RIGHT NEXT TO THE SHORES.
AGAIN, THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE BECAUSE AS YOU SEE, THIS IS BUFERRED BY WETLANDS AND TREES AND WHAT NOT.
BUT AGAIN, THIS WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY.
IT HAS BEEN HERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
IT WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY.
IN CONSISTENCY WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES IN AN APPROPRIATE FASHION.
LASTLY, FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT PRIOR TO QUESTIONS AND PUBLIC COMMENT, WE HAD OUR ENGINEERS ON MOCK-UP, WHAT WOULD POSSIBLY BE DONE ON THIS PROPERTY CURRENTLY WITH THE RES-BOR.
THE RAILROAD PLANNED DOWN HERE.
WHICH ALL COULD BE DEVELOPED WITH RESIDENCES.
YOU SEE THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH.
HOUSES COULD BE PUT ON ALL OF THESE UPLANDS.
DOWN HERE ON THIS UPLANDS, AS YOU HEARD, ENVIRONMENTAL TALK ABOUT...
THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN IMPACT GOING ACROSS.
YOU KNOW, JUST FOR FOOD FOR THOUGHT, TO DISCUSS WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING OUT HERE, IT SHOULD REMAIN GREEN OR SHOULD REMAIN UNDEVELOPED, THIS IS WHAT THEY COULD DO TODAY.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I APPRECIATE THE TIME.
AS I SAID, AS I SAID, WE THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT THIS EVIDENCE.
IT IS APPROPRIATE WHEN YOU ASK FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
WE ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR LISTEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN COME BACK AND SUMMARIZE.
>> WELL, I'LL HAVE TO SAY THE ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT THE PROJECT IS YOUR ACRONYM FOR THE NAME.
THAT IS NOT REALLY SWAYING ME.
BUT I HAVE PROBABLY WHAT I COULD ASK AN HOUR AND A HALF OF QUESTIONS.
THAT I'M REALLY GOING TO HIT ON.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS HERE THAT ARE WAITING TO SPEAK, AND THAT PRESENTATION WENT ON FOR QUITE A WHILE.
UNLIKE MY TYPICAL ASKING QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, I'M GOING TO HOLD OFF AND LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK.
AND THEN I AM GOING TO DEFINITELY ADDRESS QUESTIONS TO A LOT OF YOUR EXPERT STAFF.
AND I HAVE SOME PRETTY GOOD WOULD LIKE ANSWERS TO.
[01:15:01]
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> SPEAK CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE.
SO MY PRESENTATION HERE IS TO OPPOSE THIS PROJECT.
GOSH, THIS IS THE WRONG PROJECT FOR THIS LOCATION.
WHY IS THIS THE WRONG PROJECT FOR THIS LOCATION? THERE IS THREE MAJOR THINGS WE WILL TOUCH ON.
TWO, IT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH ESTABLISHED EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THREE, THERE HAS BEEN SOME ECONOMIC LOSS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND LIKELY MORE.
SO I PUT THIS UP THERE NOT AS, YOU KNOW, THE KEY FEATURE BUT BOY, WHEN YOU BUT GO TO JOURNALS AND LOOK TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT LOCATING INDUSTRIAL PARKS, FREEWAY ACCESS SEEMS TO BE IMPORTANT.
TOP HEADLINE THERE, HIGHWAY ACCESSIBILITY.
BOTTOM LINE, HOW WAREHOUSING YOUR HIGHWAYS BENEFITS CUSTOMERS.
WHAT'S SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THAT IS THAT THERE IS NO DIRECT ACCESS TO I-95.
THAT BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO USE OUR LOCAL ROADS.
IN FACT, OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HAS SAID THAT POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC FOR LOCAL ROADS.
WHAT I HAVE SHOWN IS ACCESS TO HOMES.
OR DOWN THROUGH VERMONT HEIGHTS.
NOW, FROM THE STAFF REPORT, I SAW 2,020 AVERAGE DAY TRIPS.
I APOLOGIZE, BUT IT IS SIGNIFICANT AND IT IS MORE THAN WHAT IS OUT THERE CURRENTLY.
AS I HAVE SAID AND AS OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HAS SAID, THERE WILL BE ACCESS TO THESE CRITICAL AND EFFICIENT ROADS.
THESE ARE CRITICAL AND EFFICIENT ROADS.
THERE IS INADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ARE THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
BECAUSE THESE FOLKS HAVE MOVED HERE BECAUSE THIS IS RESIDENTIAL B.
AND SUDDENLY, THEY WAKE UP AND HEAR THAT THE COUNTY IS CONSIDERING LETTING AN INDUSTRIAL PARK MOVE IN NEXT-DOOR.
YOU CAN USE THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH LOOKS AT TRAFFIC GENERATION, ODORS, NOISE, LIGHTS.
SO LGI HOMES ACROSS THE WAY AND MORGAN'S COVE HAS ALREADY REPORTED SOME BUYERS WALKING AWAY.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE HEARD THE RUMOR OF AN INDUSTRIAL PARK.
THIS IS THE WRONG PROJECT FOR THIS LOCATION.
IT DOES HAVE ADVERSE IMPACT ON LOCAL ROADS.
IT IS TOTALLY, TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
I MAKE THE POINT THAT YOU CAN HEIGHT BUILDINGS.
FINALLY, THIS IS INCOMPATIBLE.
YOUR MOTION TODAY SHOULD BE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.
PLEASE? IF NOT, WE WILL ASK THOSE TO STEP OUT.
>> NEXT UP THE IS THOMAS TURNER.
>> IT WAS A GOOD PRESENTATION, THOUGH.
MY NAME IS COLONEL THOMAS MARK TURNER.
I RESIDE AT 2044 VERMONT BOULEVARD WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OF VERMONT HEIGHTS.
LOW PRESSURE KATEED AT THE INTERSECTION OF VERMONT BOULEVARD.
AND STATE ROAD 207 WEST OF I-95.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, MY NEIGHBORS, MY PROPERTY, AND THE OTHER RESIDENTS OF VERMONT HEIGHTS.
THE OLDEST PLANNED COMMUNITY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
[01:20:02]
WITH RESPECT TO MR. WHITEHOUSE, UNFORTUNATELY, I'M UNABLE TO SUPPORT THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.THIS BODY AND THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS ARE INTIMATELY AWARE OF THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS COMING DOWN VERMONT BOULEVARD.
OUR COMMUNITY DEALS WITH SPEEDING TRAFFICS IF, HEAVY COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC, VEHICULAR SAFETY RISKS.
THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT NOT TOO LONG AGO.
NOW, THE COUNTY HAS DONE THINGS TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THIS PROBLEM.
WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THEM ON IT.
WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR REALLY IS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR ANY INCREASED TRAFFICS IF ON OUR ROAD.
IT IS ALREADY DETRIMENTAL TO THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO SEE INCREASED BY ANY MEANS.
THEREFORE, MYSELF AND THE OTHER RESIDENTS OF VERMONT HEIGHTS WON'T SUPPORT ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD POSSIBLY OR THAT SEEKS TO ADD TO THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM ON OUR ROAD AND THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY.
AFTER READING FROM YOUR WEBSITE, REGARDING THIS PROPOSAL, IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT WE ALL ARE AWARE OF THIS POSSIBILITY, THAT THE STAFF DOES HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS POSSIBILITY, AND RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO FORMAL RESOLUTION TO IT.
I REALIZE THERE ARE PROPOSALS OUT THERE, BUT THIS ISSUE OF TRAFFIC AND THE ABILITY TO GET COMMERCIAL TRUCKS IN AND OUT OF EITHER...
THROUGH THIS PROPOSED THAT WE NEED TO RESOLVE WITH SOME ACTION BEFORE IT GOES TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
IN THAT REGARD, THE COUNTY SHOULD ALSO REVISE THE LDC TO ACCOMMODATE SUCH RESIDENTIAL CONCERNS BY EXTENDING THE ANALYSIS OF THE NEAREST NON-SITE ACCESS INTERSECTIONS IN ALL DIRECTIONS, CLAUSE WHEN SUCH INDUSTRIAL OR CHECIAL TRAFFIC INTENSITY AND PATTERNS ARE NEAR RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THIS LANGUAGE COULD INCLUDE INTENDED POINTS OF DEMARCATION FROM INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS.
ONCE AGAIN, AS IT STANDS, I ASK THAT THE CONFERENCE PLAN AMENDMENT BE DENIED.
I MOVED TO ST. AUGUSTINE IN 2016.
I BOUGHT THIS PLACE BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN, AND IT WAS FAR ENOUGH OUTSIDE THAT I HAD SOME PRIVACY.
TO FIND OUT THAT THERE IS A PLAN TO PUT AN INDUSTRIAL PARK IN THERE IS VERY TROUBLING.
YOU KNOW, THEY TALK ABOUT LIGHT INDUSTRY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW HEAVY YOU CAN GET...
WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING A LOCOMOTIVE AND BACKING A LOCOMOTIVE INTO AN INTERMODAL FACILITY.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET MUCH HEAVIER THAN A LOCOMOTIVE BACKING UP.
I TRAINS BACK UP AND THEY UNBECOMELE, THEY ARE LOUD.
IT COMES WITH ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
THEY TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE WETLANDS AND THE WILDLIFE.
I DIDN'T HEAR THEM TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR SAVING THE WETLANDS AND PROTECTING THE WILDLIFE OUT THERE.
BUT THERE IS PEOPLE OUT THERE.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED OUT THERE FOR GENERATIONS.
FAMILIES WHO HAVE GROWN UP OUT THERE.
AND THE IDEA OF PUTTING AN INTERMODAL FALE ISTY HERE IS LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID EARLIER, THE WRONG PLACE, WRONG LOCATION.
THE SECOND THING IS IF YOU LIVE OUT THERE, YOU CAN DO ALL THE STUDIES YOU WANT ON TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING, PROFESSIONAL THAT IS WERE HERE WHO I VERY MUCH RESPECT.
UNLESS YOU LIVE OUT THERE AND YOU SEE IT EVERY DAY, THERE IS HUNDREDS OF DUMP TRUCKS EVERY DAY GOING DOWN 214.
BOTH COUNTY AND CITY TRASH TRUCKS.
ON TOP OF THAT, YOU HAVE PEOPLE, QUITE FRANKLY, DRIVING LIKE MANIACS DOWN 214.
IT ISES A VERY DANGEROUS ROAD.
THERE IS ALREADY MARKERS OUT THERE FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED ON THAT ROAD.
[01:25:04]
IF THIS FACILITY GOES IN, I I HATE TO SAY IT.ON TOP OF THAT, YOU CAN'T ADD ANY MORE LANES TO 214.
THE HOMES BETWEEN DEERWOOD ACRES AND HOLMES ROAD ON 214, THE HOUSES ARE RIGHT ON THE ROAD.
THERE IS NO WAY TO EXPAND 214 TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRUCKS.
WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT TAKING TRUCKS OFF THE ROAD, THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT TAKING TRUCKS OFF OF 95.
AND WHEN THOSE TRAINS COME INTO THIS INTERMODAL FACILITY, THEY ARE GOING TO UNLOAD ON TO TRUCKS WHICH ARE THEN GOING TO BE ADDED TO THE ROADS IN ST. AUGUSTINE.
THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO GET TO AN INTERSTATE IS EITHER DOWN VERMONT...
IT IS TIGHT GOING THROUGH THOSE CURVES.
THE ONLY OTHER WAY IS TO GO DOWN 214 TO 207.
I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS, HOLMES ROAD TO 207, IT IS A NIGHTMARE OF TRAFFIC.
GOING THE OTHER WAY, THERE IS A MIDDLE SCHOOL RIGHT THERE.
WHO WANTS THESE TRUCKS ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE, GOING PAST A MIDDLE SCHOOL.
THE LAST OVERHEAD THAT THEY PRESENTED SHOWED EXACTLY WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS WERE.
WE KNEW THAT THEY COULD BUILD A DEVELOPMENT THERE.
THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT.
I LIKEN THIS TO A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE.
SIGNING A MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CONTRACT, WANTS TO RENEGOTIATE.
THEY BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY KNOWING WHAT THEY COULD BUILD THERE.
I HEAR THE RAILROAD EXPERTS TALKING.
I'M THIRD GENERATION RAILROADER.
I RETIRED FROM CSX AFTER 43 YEARS.
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT TAKING TRUCKS OFF THE STREETS OF DUVAL COUNTY AND PUTTING THEM ON THE STREETS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
AND ANOTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO...
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.
IF YOU LOOK TO SEE HOW MUCH MONEY THEY ACTUALLY MAKE OUR HOW MUCH THEY ARE SUBSIDIZED.
TRY AND REALIZE WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE IF WE HAD TO SUBSIDIZE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY ON ALL THE PACKS PAYERS...
CROOKSHANK? IVE BEEN HERE SINCE THE 1920S.
MY GRANDFATHER WAS THE SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS HERE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, ACTUALLY, A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INVESTED IN THIS COUNTY.
FROM WHAT THESE GUYS ARE SAYING, THERE SHOULD BE A RAILROAD IN THERE AT ALL.
IT IS ZONED FOR HOMES WHICH IS FINE WITH ME.
THAT IS WHY I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY THERE 30.
WE ARE SECOND-GENERATION RAILROAD.
YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING LIKE THAT THIS YOUR YARD.
WE HAVE ENOUGH TROUBLE WITH 95.
WE CAN BARELY HEAR OURSELVES THINK IN OUR BACKYARDS ALREADY.
MUCH LESS HAVING THIS CRAP BANGING AND CRASHING IN THE FRONT YARDS.
YOU HAVE A CONTRACT FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.
THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
WE ARE GOING TO PUT A CHICKEN FARM OUT THERE TODAY.
>> SIR, NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, PLEASE.
>> I'M JUST SAYING, IT IS WRONG.
HE IS THREATENING US WITH THIS OTHER STUFF.
THAT IS ALL IT SHOULD BE ZONED FOR.
W BOUGHT IT? WE STILL HAVE MORE TIME ON THIS OTHER CONTRACT.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
[01:30:01]
YOU HAVE THE RAILROAD TRACKS RIGHT BESIDE YOUR ROAD.HE HAS 50,000 ACRES OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.
WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, 214 ACRERS IT IS NOT GOING TO FIT WITH THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND INTERMODAL.
YOU HAVE THE HIGH-LIFT CRANES.
THEY PICK THE TRUCKS UP, PUT THEM ON THE TRACK.
THE LIGHT POLLUTION ALONE WILL KILL US OUT THERE.
I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE 33 YEARS.
THAT IS WHY I BOUGHT OUT THERE.
IF YOU GUYS DRIVE DOWNTOWN NOW, YOU SEE WHAT EVERYTHING IS DONE NOW.
WE HAVE HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY NOW? 350,000? 400,000? 2024, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 500,000 HERE? WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT.
LIKE YOU SAID, THEY ARE GOING TO PULL TRUCKS FROM OUT OF JACKSONVILLE OR OFF OF 95 AND PUT THEM ON 214.
OFF STOPLIGHT WHERE YOU HAVE TO TURN.
UNLESS YOU GET AN INTERCHANGE SOMEHOW DOWN THERE.
THE TRACK OR THE TRAILERS ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT AROUND THE CORNERS: SAME THING ON THE OTHER END.
THERE IS NO WAY TO TURN RIGHT OR LEFT TO GO TOWARDS 95.
BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN THERE MANY TIMES.
I LIVE AT 156 NORTH FERRY LAKES.
FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS, I HAVE TRAVELED TO 48 STATES.
I MOVED TO ST. AUGUSTINE BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PROPERT AND THE CULTURAL BACKGROUND.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE STUDIES THEY DID, THIS SHOWS ME THAT THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY DID THE SAME THING.
THEY SAID, THIS IS NOT HABIT-FORMING.
THEN WE FOUND IT DOES CAUSE CANCER.
BASICALLY, MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS WHY SHOULD THEY BUILD THIS SO CLOSE TO HISTORIC LANDMARKS DOWNTOWN? WITH THIS, AS OTHER FRIENDS MENTIONED, THERE IS NO DIRECT ACCESS FROM 214 TO 895.
THERE IS NO DIRECT ACCESS TO GO ANYWHERE.
FINALLY, WHAT WHAT THEY WILL DO, THEY WILL TAKE THE KING STREET AND GO ON TO U.S.
ALL THE TRUCKS WILL BE MOVING CLOSER TO THE ST. AUGUSTINE HISTORIC AREA.
I STRONGLY OPPOSE THAT THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.
KEEP THAT INTACT FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
WE HAVE TO THINK OF THE ECONOMIC CONCERNS.
BUT ONCE THE LAND, THE HISTORIC NO GOING BACK.
WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR IS ARE WE GOING TO...
WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE ONE FORWARD...
ONE STEP FORWARD AND TWO STEPS BACK.
FOR THE SAKE OF SAYING WE ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS.
RIGHT? WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ARE WE ROBBING THE FUTURE LAND FROM OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN? I STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS PROJECT.
>> I APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE HERE AND ALSO THE EXPERTS TALKING ON THE SUBJECT.
>> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR.
I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR SIX YEARS.
SO THE ISSUE THAT I SEE COMING FROM AUTOMOTIVE AS WELL AS INDUSTRIAL, AND RAILROAD.
I WORKED FOR NORFOLK SOUTHERN.
I HAVE BEEN TO INTERMODALS ALL ACROSS THE EASTERN U.S.
THE NOISE CONSIDERED WHEN YOU HAVE TO SWITCH AND MOVE CARGO FROM ANY TYPE OF LOCATION TO RAIL OR OFF-RAIL TO A NEW LOCATION, THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES THEY TALKED ABOUT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS, YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF
[01:35:12]
TARMAC.YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF SWITCHING SPACE TO GET AROUND.
A 50-FOOT TRAILER BACKED UP TO AN INTERMODAL.
THE EXTRA DISTANCE OF HAVING TO BE ABLE TO GET AROUND THAT.
THAT IS ANOTHER HUNDRED-PLUS FEET.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE SPACE FOR THE CARGO.
L TAKING TRUCKS OFF THE ROAD, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT I-95.
TRUCKS HAVE TO GET IN TO TAKE ANY KIND OF CARGO AWAY.
THE ROADS ARE NOT WIDE ENOUGH IN ST. AUGUSTINE.
THEY END UP CUTTING THE CORNERS AND JUMPEN THE CURB.
HEAVY CARGO AND HEAVY INTERMODAL.
THAT IS GOING TO DISRUPT THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
GOING BACK TO THE WETLAND STUDY.
(INAUDIBLE) LIKE OTHERS HAVE SAID, YOU HAVE A LOT OF DIRT, OIL AND RESIDUE THAT COMES OFF OF THOSE VEHICLES.
ALL THIS STUFF HAS TO LEACH OUT.
YOU GET A HEAVY RAIN, AS YOU ME THE IN FLORIDA HERE, THAT WILL RUN RIGHT OVER INTO THE CREEK.
WHATEVER WETLAND STUDY THEY DID, THEY ARE NOT ACCOUNTING FOR ALL OF THAT.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.
I COULD TALK FOR A HALF AN HOUR.
I'M LISTENING TO ALL THESE INCONSISTENCIES AND YOU KNOW, I'M FROM ST. AUGUSTINE.
I'M LISTENING TO ALL THESE THINGS.
THEY ARE COMPARING IT TO BOWDEN.
THOSE AREAS ARE COMPLETELY DEPRESSED AREAS.
MY DAD HAD SANDWICH SHOPS ALL OVER THE CITY.
THOSE AREAS BETWEEN SAN JOSE, AND LIKE, THE BOWDEN AREA.
THERE WERE BIG, BEAUTIFUL HOMES.
RANCH-STYLE, BRICK, NICE HOMES.
THAT IS WHAT I'M AFRAID IS GOING TO COME HERE.
THE REASON WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY WAS FOR THAT WAY OF LIFE.
IT WAS ALL GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL.
AND I ASK YOU ALL TO GO THERE.
I INVITE EVERYONE TO COME OUT.
TURN OUT ALL THE LIGHTS ON THE HOUSES.
YOU DON'T SEE THAT IN JACKSONVILLE.
WE NEED TO BUILD A DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THIS...
IF YOU BUILD A DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THIS, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE THAT AGAIN.
WE PURPOSELY BROUGHT THE HOUSE A FEW DOORS DOWN TO KEEP THAT FAMILY THING ALIVE.
I'M SURE HE IS GOING TO LIVE THE FROM HERE ON OUT.
BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT OPPORTUNITY HAD COME.
WE NEEDED TO TRY TO PRESERVE THAT WAY OF LIFE.
JUST LIKE EVERYONE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WANT TO PRESERVE THAT WAY OF LIFE.
I MEAN, WHAT WE HAVE THERE IS SPECIAL.
I HAVE PEOPLE SAYING WHEN SOMETHING COMES AVAILABLE IN DEERWOOD, LET US KNOW.
YOU HAVE THAT MIX OF COUNTRY BUT YOU ARE RIGHT FROM DOWNTOWN.
WE HAVE THE MOST HISTORIC AREA IN OUR COUNTRY.
THE FACT THAT SOMEONE WOULD ACTUALLY THINK OF BUILDING SOMETHING LIKE THE...
THIS, SOMETHING THAT IS FILTHY, DISGUSTING, LOUD...
I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW IT IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR WATER.
THEN IT HAS IN THERE, MINING AND EXCAVATING.
YET WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT.
[01:40:01]
THERE ARE SO MANY INCONSISTENCIES AND QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.WE HAVE HAD PANTHERS ON OUR PROPERTY.
THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT I FEEL LIKE EVERYONE IS JUST OVERLOOKING.
I THINK WE ARE FORGETTING THE PEOPLE.
ALL THAT INTERMODAL ON YOUR TRAIN TRACKS.
THOSE ARE GOING TO DIRECTLY AFFECT EVERYONE JUST BY STATION 14.
EVERY TIME THEY NEED TO GO OUT, IF THAT TRAIN IS COMING BY, IT IS GOING AFFECT HOMES AND KING STREET.
I'M SURE THOSE TRAINS WILL SPAN BOTH.
THEY ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER WITH THAT.
EVERY TIME SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED WITH THAT INTERMODAL TRAIN.
AND TODAY IS THE FIRST I HAVE SEEN ABOUT...
BECAUSE OF MANY LETTERS THAT THEY HAVE SENT OUT WERE NOT ACCURATE.
I NEVER KNEW ABOUT THIS WHOLE PLAN OF THEM BRINGING IN THIS WHOLE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF ACTUAL COMMUTER TRAINS.
AND I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHERE THAT WOULD GO FROM THERE.
I STRONGLY, STRONGLY AM AGAINST THIS.
I LIVE AT 224 NORTH FERRY LAKES DRIVE.
I, LIKE THE OTHER PEOPLE, MOVED HERE BECAUSE IT WAS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
IT WAS GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL.
I CAN'T SEE HOW 214 IS GOING TO HOLD ALL THESE TRUCKS.
EVERYTHING ON THAT TRAIN THAT IT TAKES TO THE WAREHOUSE, A TRUCK EITHER TAKES IT THERE OR TAKES IT OUT.
SO THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO READ THIS.
RECOMMEND DENIAL OF COMPOUND 2022-05.
IT IS A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
DENIAL HERE IS A WIN-WIN FOR THE RESIDENTS OF 214.
NEIGHBORING LAND USE WOULD BE COMPATIBLE, AND WE MEANT IT.
DENIAL HERE IS A WIN-WIN FOR VERMONT HEIGHTS WHICH ADDS UNNECESSARY AND UNSAFE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
DENIAL HERE IS A WIN-WIN FOR APPLICANTS WHO RETAIN PROPERTY RIGHTS F AND CAN REQUEST APPROVAL FOR ALLOWING ZONES USE THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
DENIAL HERE IS A WIN-WIN FOR THE LEARNED OF THE POSSIBLE ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF AN INDUSTRIAL PARK.
BUT NEED TO FIND A RIGHT LOCATION.
>> STEPHEN COLLINS? STEPHEN? HE HAS LEFT THE BUILDING.
>> ANNA OBERMAYER, 2440 DEERWOOD ACRES DRIVE.
I KNOW I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT IS JUST SO PROFOUNDLY RELIEVED TO KNOW THAT IF THIS...
OUR WORTHY OPPONENTS CHANGE THEIR MINDS ONCE AGAIN ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, WORST-CASE SCENARIO THEY ARE JUST GOING TO PUT A PRISON IN OUR BACKYARDS.
YOU KNOW? IT COULD BE WORSE THAN SMASHING RAILROAD CARS TOGETHER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHILE WE ARE ALL TRYING TO SLEEP.
AND A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE ALSO MADE THE POINT THAT YOU CAN SEE THE STARS WHERE WE LIVE, AND THE STARS ARE FAR, FAR FURTHER AWAY THAN THREE FOOTBALL FIELDS WHICH OUR WORTHY OPPONENTS HAVE SAID "THAT IS FAR ENOUGH FOR NOISE POLLUTION AND LIGHT POLLUTION AND DUST AND DEBRIS AND WHATEVER THEY ARE PLANNING ON DOING." HOW IS ANYONE ABLE TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING? THEY KEEP CHANGING THEIR MIND.
THEY GET A GETTY IMAGE OF A HAPPY TRAVELER PULLING A ROLLY SUITCASE BEHIND HER.
LIKE SHE IS OVERJOYED TO GET OFF THE TRAIN FROMMIER SEE.
AND SHE IS IN ST. AUGUSTINE NOW.
B ARE DOING? BECAUSE THAT WAS A BRAND NEW THING RIGHT BEFORE THE LAST ZONING BOARD MEETING.
WHAT ARE THESE GUYS ACTUALLY DOING? WHAT IS THEIR INTENT?
[01:45:02]
WHAT IS THEIR PLAN? THEY DON'T SEEM TO HAVE ONE.THEY DO HAVE AN IMPRESSIVE GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE VERY WELL-VERSED IN THEIR FIELDS.
THEY ARE WORTHY OPPONENTS TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT THEY KEEP CHANGING THEIR MINDS ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHOWN TO BE BAD ACTORS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN FINED FOR DOING AN APPROVED...
SO ARE WE GOING TO LET THEM HIT US ONCE AND THEN WE WILL GO BACK TO THEM AND TRUST...
THEY ARE SORRY, AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT AGAIN.
ARE WE GOING TO LET THEM CHANGE THEIR MINDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN? AND TRUST THAT WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO DO THIS TIME IS WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY INTENDING TO DO.
WHAT ARE THEY ACTUALLY INTENDING TO DO? THAT, I THIS THINK, IS UNFAIR TO MOST OF US.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT ANYONE HERE COULD SAY IS THAT OUR WORTHY OPPONENTS SPOKE NO WORDS ABOUT THE HUMAN BEINGS, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED SINCE BEFORE I WAS BORN.
I JUST WANT TO KIND OF SAY DITTO, DITTO, DITTO TO ALL OF THEM.
I COULD STAND UP HERE AND SAY THE EXACT SAME THING.
DEERWOOD ACRES DRIVE, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.
SO LIKE I SAID, I COULD SAY DITTO, DITTO.
I WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN IN MY CAR, DROVE AROUND FLORIDA, FOUND AN INDUSTRIAL PARK AND SAID, HMM, I'M GOING TO BUY THAT HOUSE NEXT TO IT.
I WAS FROM ANOTHER COUNTY ORIGINALLY.
I STOPPED NEXT TO THE PROPERTY AT NIGHT.
I SAID, THIS IS THE PLACE I WANT TO BUY.
IT IS KIND OF GETTING CHANGED NOW.
BUT MY MAIN OBJECTIVE RIGHT NOW IS HELP VERSUS HARM.
THEY HAVE SAID HOW ALL THIS IS GOING TO HELP.
HOW IT IS GOING TO HELP THE TRUBBING INDUSTRY.
BUT THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT DO TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY.
IS IT GOING TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY SAFER? IS IT GOING TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY CLEANER? IS IT GOING TO MAKE US LESS LIKELY TO GET CANCER? THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS ANY OF THAT.
INITIALLY, WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THIS, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE COULDN'T SPEAK ABOUT HYPOTHETICAL SITUATIONS IN THE FUTURE.
BUT SOME OF THEIR HYPOTHETICAL SITUATIONS IS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE JOBS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE JOBS FOR.
MAYBE THEY WILL BRING THEIR OWN WORKERS IN FROM OUT WEST OR SOMETHING.
ANYWAY, LET ME GET BACK ON TRACK.
THE HARM THAT I'M GOING TO PROPOSE COMES FROM A STUDY OF OTHER, OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THESE YARDS.
I WANT TO INTRODUCE TWO TERMS. ONE IS CALLED SENSITIVE RECEPTORS.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE, LEARN, AND PLAY IN THIS AREA.
IT CAN INCLUDE CHURCHES WHICH WE HAVE HAD OUR WAY.
NURSING HOMES, HOSPITALS, DAY CARE CENTERS.
I WANT TO ALSO TALK ABOUT PARTICULATE EMISSIONS.
THE EXHAUST THAT COMES FROM TRUCKS AND TRAINS WITH HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT CHEMICALS THAT ARE HARMFUL TO OUR HEALTH.
[01:50:01]
THERE WAS A STUDY DONE IN CALIFORNIA.THE COMMUNITY IMPACTS AND THE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON HEALTH AND QUALITY OF LIFE WILL BE AIR POLLUTION, NOISE, AND INCREASED TRAFFIC AND INDUSTRIAL BLIGHT.
I'M SPENDING HALF THE TIME NERVOUS LOOKING THROUGH MY PAGES.
>> TAKE A COUPLE MORE SECONDS AND FINISH UP WITH THIS ONE POINT, MA'AM.
I'M GOING TO BACK-GO-BACKWARDS.
IF I HAVE ONE MORE THING I CAN SAY.
BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE FROM ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND PUBLIC HEALTH ORGANIZATIONER, FROM THAT STUDY, THEY SAID THAT THE INCREASE OF CANCER LIKELIHOOD OF PEOPLE AROUND THOSE AREAS, AROUND THE AREAS OF THESE INTERMODAL TRANSPORTATION WENT FROM ONE IN A MILLION, IF I'M SITTING IN MY HOUSE, I HAVE A ONE IN A MILLION CHANCE OF GETTING CANCER.
BUT BECAUSE MY HOUSE IS GOING TO BE BACKED UP TO THEIR TRAIN MODAL, IT GOES TO 3,000 IN A MILLION.
THAT I WILL GET CANCER OR MY HUSBAND.
OR ANY NEIGHBORS THAT ARE BACKED UP.
THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THAT THESE INTERMODAL TRAIN STATIONS ARE NOT PLACED WITHIN A MILE OF A COMMUNITY.
NOT THREE FOOTBALL STADIUMS. A MILE.
I DIDN'T PLAN ON SPEAKING TODAY.
I SEEM TO BE THE ONLY ONE HERE FOR ADAMS ACRES ROAD.
I HAVE LIVED THERE SINCE 1993.
BEFORE DR. HINMAN EVEN KNEW IT WAS THERE.
I LIVE OUT THERE, OBVIOUSLY, IT IS QUIET.
MY DAUGHTER, YOUNGEST DAUGHTER HAS JUST PUT A HOUSE IN MY BACK ACRE BEHIND ME.
SHE IS GOING TO RAISE HER KIDS THERE.
WE HAVE ALREADY GOT INDIAN HEAD, RIGHT UP THE ROAD FROM US CAUSING TRUCK AND EQUIPMENT TRAFFIC ALREADY.
INDIAN HEAD HAPPENS TO CIRCLE ALL THE WAY BEHIND TO THE FAR END OF ADAMS ACRES ROAD.
I HAVE EQUIPMENT AND TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING GOING ON BACK THERE.
AND YOU CAN HEAR IT QUITE CLEARLY AT MY HOUSE.
I'M AT THE OTHER END OF THE ROAD FROM IT.
NOW, I KNOW THIS MOSTLY AFFECTS DEERWOOD ACRES.
I FEEL REALLY BAD IF IT GOES THROUGH.
IF I CAN HEAR INDIAN HEAD FROM THE FAR END OF MY ROAD, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TRAINS, AND IF YOU DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR THE TRAINS IN FRONT OF ADAMS ACRES ROAD, WHICH IS GOING TO PUT ME BETWEEN TWO INDUSTRIAL SITES, BECAUSE WE KNOW INDIAN HEAD.
ACROSS 214, THIS IS RIGHT ON A CURVE ALSO.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
THEN IF YOU FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON 214, THAT PUTS US ON A CURVE.
WE ARE ON THE OFF SIDE OF THE ROAD FROM EVERYBODY ELSE.
IT IS NO SECRET THAT ROAD CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE TAKES A GOOD HALF A YEAR OR A YEAR OR BETTER.
ESPECIALLY IF Y'ALL GO FOR AN OFF-RAMP FROM 295.
WHICH HAS BEEN IN THE BOOKS FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
I CAN'T IMAGINE BEING PINNED IN BETWEEN TWO INDUSTRIAL UNITS AND POSSIBLE GOD KNOWS WHAT ON 214 WHICH IS A PEACEFUL COUNTRY RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT PEOPLE MOVE TO TO
[01:55:01]
RAISE FAMILIES BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF SUCH THINGS.I GUESS THAT IS ALL I WANT TO SAY.
PLEASE TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION.
WHEN YOU ARE THINKING ALL THIS OVER.
MR. WHITEHOUSE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP FOR REBUTTAL?
>> MR. CHAIR, COULD WE TAKE FIVE MINUTES?
>> AFTER THE REBUTTAL, WE WILL DO THAT.
THIS PROJECT DIDN'T EXIST AND WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT WE KNEW WAS COMING ALREADY APPROVED, DOWN THE PIKE.
IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING READY FOR THIS PROJECT, AND JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, BRIAN WRIGLEY WAS MY FRIEND.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH COUNTY ROAD 214.
AND THE RESIDENTS AND VERMONT HEIGHTS.
I HAVE ALSO SPENT THOUSANDS OF PERSONAL HOURS TRYING TO GET THE BIKE TRAIL THAT GOES THROUGH VERMONT HEIGHTS TO PROVIDE ACCESS FOR PEOPLE TO RIDE THEIR BICYCLES OR FIND OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION TO GET TO THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR SCHOOL BUS STOPS AND EVENTUALLY, INTO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT IS THE EVOLUTION, WHEN YOU SAY INCONSISTENCIES, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PLANNING WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS PLANNING A FUTURE PROJECT.
THERE IS INCONSISTENCY AND THERE IS EVOLUTION OF PROJECT.
I THINK WHAT WE ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS THE EVOLUTION OF A CONCEPT.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS PROJECT AT ALL, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE EXISTING ISSUES THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE.
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALMOST FOUR YEARS TO PROVIDE CONTINUING SERVICE CONTRACTS SUPPORT FOR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
A MEET WITH SEVERAL RESIDENTS ON A WEEKLY BASIS AROUND THE COUNTY.
AND I'M VERY AWARE OF THE ISSUES ON THE VERMONT HEIGHTS BOULEVARD.
THIS WAS PART OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD WITH BUILDING THE TRAIL ACROSS THE ROAD BECAUSE NOT OF THE EXISTING TRAFFIC.
THE FUTURE TRAFFIC THAT EXISTS ALONG THAT ROAD.
BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE BETWEEN 207 AND 2014 ON THE TRACK BETWEEN 95 AND THAT ROAD.
WHAT'S INTRING IN THE PROCESS NOW, WE ARE IN 2023.
AND HAVING DISCUSSED THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WITH THE ST. OHN'S PUBLIC WORKS WHO I TOOK IN AND GAVE THEM A LOT OF INFORMATION TO.
MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT LOOKING AT IT THROUGH ANY KIND OF FOGGY LENS BECAUSE I DO THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA AS A PROJECT.
BUT TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EXISTING ISSUES THERE ARE AND THE VERMONT HEIGHTS ISSUES ARE EXISTING BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT ARE OCCURRING NOW THAT ARE ALLOWED.
THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO GET MORE INTERESTING IF WE DON'T START TO ADDRESS THAT PLAN.
I AGREE TO AN EXTENT WITHOUT GETTING INTO OTHER TOPICS, WITH THE NEED TO REGIONALIZE SOME OF THE WAY THAT WE LOOK AT OUR PROJECTS.
IN MY LAND PLANNING AND IN TRANSPORTATION PLANNING, WE ARE DICTATED BY SOMETHING CALLED SIGNAL WARRANT TRAFFIC WARRANT ANALYSIS.
WE CAN'T JUST GO AND FIX STUFF WITHOUT HAVING A NUMBER OF QUANTITY OF ISSUES.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COUNTY ROAD 214 AND THE EXISTENCE OF TRUCKS, I USED TO RIDE MY BICYCLE OUT THERE, UP TO 200 MILES A WEEK.
THERE IS A LOT OF VEHICLE TRAFFIC OUT THERE.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT.
THE ROAD ITSELF NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED, AND WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID IS IT CAN HELP TRIP-GENERATE SO WE CAN DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THE REGION INCLUDING VERMONT HEIGHTS.
THERE IS INTENT TO BUILD A SEPARATE ROAD.
THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA, BECAUSE OF THE FRONT, THE WAY THAT THE HOUSES ARE SITUATED TO THE FRONT LOT LINE, THE FRONT IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
THERE ARE CHILDREN IN THE AREA.
THERE IS ALSO IMMINENT PROJECTS AND PLANNERS RIGHT NOW CALLING FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY BECAUSE THERE IS A GIANT PARCEL OUT THERE THAT IS OWNED BY A COMPANY
[02:00:04]
OUTSIDE OF OUR STATE.SO ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT IS INTERESTING IS THIS 95 IDEA.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS INTERESTING IS THE EXPANSION OF THE ROAD.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS INTERESTING IS THE FUTURE OF COUNTY ROAD 214 TO SUPPLY SERVICES.
O TRUCKS COMING DOWN FROM JACKSONVILLE.
THIS IS A WAY TO EFFECTIVELY REDUCE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF TRAFFIC.
PROVIDE MOBILITY OPTIONS, AND WE ALL NEED TO ACCEPT A LITTLE BIT THAT WE ARE TRAFFIC.
WHEN YOU MOVE, ONE OF MY BEST GIRLFRIEND'S FAMILY OWNED WHERE HOME DEPOT WAS.
THEY MOVED TO AN AREA THAT GOT TOO CROWDED.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRIP SOME OF THESE SIGNAL WARRANTS THAT WE WOULD NEED.
PER HOW WE ARE ALLOWED TO SPEND THEM AS A COUNTY AND AS A STATE.
BECAUSE OF THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTY AND SOME SERVICE THAT IS WE CAN PROVIDE.
A COUPLE OF OTHER INTERESTING THINGS, JUST TO KIND OF STICK WITH TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC PLANNING.
AS FAR AS IT NOT MEETING THE COMPREHENSIVE FUTURE PLANS, CAN YOU PULL UP THE SLIDE FROM...
I WANT TO SAY ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
GO BACK TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS INTERESTING IS SOMETHING CALLED VACANCY RATE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE RIGHT NOW ZONED THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THESE TYPES OF USES.
I THINK WE ARE IN A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAS A VISION FOR HIS PROPERTY THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM OUR COMPENCIVE PLAN USE.
T ASSIST US IN MEETING SOME OF THESE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN VALUES.
AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THERE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT HOME VALUES AND THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THEN THERE WAS SOME OTHER THINGS ABOUT SOUTH FLORIDA AND THE RAIL AND EVERYTHING.
AS A NATION, AS A STATE, WE HAVE TO START THINKING DIFFERENTLY ABOUT OUR FUTURE AND ABOUT HOW WE GET AROUND.
AND ABOUT HOW WE PAY FOR THINGS.
AND THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS ARE GOING TO KEEP COMING UP SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THEM AND WE NEED THEM.
AND WE DON'T HAVE IT AS A COUNTY.
SO I KNOW THAT THIS IS A SCARY PROJECT FOR PEOPLE.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EVOLUTION OF THE SITE, AND I CAN TELL YOU, AND THESE POOR GUYS INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THE ONE WHO TALKS ABOUT CHICKEN FARMING, I HAVE PUT THEM THROUGH THE RINGER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AS A PLANNER, BECAUSE MY NAME IS ON THE LINE.
I DON'T TAKE ON ANY PROJECT THAT I DON'T PERSONALLY BELIEVE IN.
THE AMOUNT OF BUFFERING AND THE DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL USE TO AVOID NUISANCE ABATEMENT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF WE PUT RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THERE, THEY ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT UP THE BACKSIDE.
I APPRECIATE THE STARRY SKY COMMENT.
I HAVE TO WAIT FOR A DARK MOON.
YOU KNOW, WALKING AT THE STATE PARK TO EVEN SEE IT.
T CONTINUE TO GROW AS A SOCIETY.
WE HAVE TO DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO LOOK IN THE FUTURE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
AS FAR AS ANYTHING ELSE GOES, I'M GOING TO LET JAMES KIND OF HANDLE IT FOR A MINUTE.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO HELP AND HARM AND INTERMODAL AND HAVING NET BENEFIT, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT PROJECT FOR THIS SITE.
VERSUS WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED TO BE AND WHAT IT IS FUTURE ALLOWED TO BE.
BECAUSE OF THINGS LIKE NEPA AND THE DEP AND THE ARMY CORPS.
YOU KNOW, 20-0 YEARS AGO, WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THESE IN OUR COUNTY AND IN JACKSONVILLE, YOU KNOW, I GREW UP OFF 48TH AND MAIN.
MY AUNT STILL LIVES THERE BEHIND THE OLD PICK & SAVE.
WE HAD A RAIL AT THE END OF THE STREET.
I HAD A DUMPSTER BEHIND MY HOUSE.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HUMANS AND PEOPLE AND WHAT WE DO, THIS PROJECT PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY TO SERVICE A LOT OF FUTURE NEEDS WITHOUT NECESSARILY PUTTING IT RIGHT UP AGAINST SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD.
YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO LET JAMES TAKE OVER FROM HERE.
BUT THERE IS SOME OTHER THINGS I HAVE TO SAY.
I WANT TO SEE WHAT HE IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT FIRST.
AS FAR AS ADDRESSING SOME ISSUES AND CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS.
>> JAMES, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE FOR
[02:05:05]
THE...>> THEN WE HAVE QUESTIONS, TOO.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, TO THE RESIDENTS, COLONEL HINMAN DOES RESPECT THE PEOPLE AROUND THIS AREA.
THAT IS WHY HE WANTS TO PROPOSE THIS.
YOU HAVE HEARD THAT IN SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THE MISSION AND THE INTENT.
HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE SITE.
HE HAS HEARD PEOPLE COME BEFORE YOU.
HE HAS HEARD COMMENTS FROM THIS AGENCY, FROM THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER.
WE DON'T NEED MORE RESIDENTIAL IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
WE SHOWED YOU THE PICTURE OF THE INDUSTRIAL LAND USE IN THE ST. OHN'S COUNTY AREA.
THERE AREN'T ANY, REALLY, TO BE HONEST.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A POPULARITY CONTEST.
THEN EVERYBODY WOULD KNOW WHEN THEIR MAGICAL BOXES OF AMAZON APPEAR ON THE DOORSTEP, THAT IS A SUPPLY CHAIN THAT ISN'T INTERRUPTED.
MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS IS A USE THAT IS NEEDED.
THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE SITE FOR IT.
THERE ARE CLAIMS THAT WE ARE INTRODUCING A NEW TYPE OF TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA.
A TRUCKS, DUMP TRUCKS, TRANSPORTATION TRUCKS, AMAZON TRUCKS.
ALL CURRENTLY TRAVELING UP AND DOWN 214 AND HOLMES BOULEVARD.
THERE ARE CLAIMS THERE SHOULDN'T BE A RAILROAD THERE.
THERE ALREADY IS A RAILROAD THERE.
THE PEOPLE SAID JUST DO HOUSES.
WELL, WE SHOWED YOU THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY COULD DO WITH HOUSES.
COLONEL HINMAN DOESN'T WANT TO PUT HOUSES RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BACK OF THESE PEOPLE'S RESIDENCES.
YOU HEARD THERE IS APPROVED AGRICULTURAL PLAN THAT IS APPROVED BY THE STATE.
THEY CAN CLEAR ALMOST 90% OF THE TREE CANOPY AND RAISE CATTLE ON THIS LOT.
THE RAILROAD FOR BOTH TRANSPORTIVE GOODS AND PEOPLE IS ONE OF THE MOST HISTORIC PORTIONS OF OUR AREA AND STATE.
OUR VERY OWN RENOWNED MR. LAGLER USED THE RAILROAD TO MAKE BOTH THIS AREA AND HIS PROJECTS IN THE PALM BEACH AREA SUCCESSFUL AND DESIRABLE FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THE WORLD.
AS YOU SAW ON THE MAP, SWITCH BACK.
AS YOU SAW ON THE MAP, THERE ARE BUILT-IN BUFFERS.
THAT MAKES THIS PROPERTY A GOOD PROPERTY FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.
AS I SAID, THAT IS A LONG DISTANCE.
AND THERE BEING 50-FOOT TREES AND WETLANDS AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN US.
I'LL SHOW YOU A MAP IN A MINUTE THAT SHOWS THAT DISTANCE ON THE OVERHEAD.
AND IF THERE WAS TREES AND WETLANDS AND FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS OF THAT BETWEEN US, WE WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW THE COURTHOUSE WAS THERE.
AND I WOULD ASSERT THAT TO YOU.
YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL THAT WE CAN DO, I SHOWED YOU THE PLAN.
I DON'T THINK ST. JOHN'S COUNT NEEDS MORE OF.
THAT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY NEEDS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
THE NEED FOR INDUSTRIAL, IF NOT HERE, IF NOT ON 207, YOU KNOW OUT FURTHER WEST, IF NOT OFF U.S.
ONE SOUTH, THEN WHERE? WE HAVE FIVE SITES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
ONLY ONE OR TWO OF THEM ARE USED FOR WAREHOUSING.
IF WE WANT TO SUPPORT THE SUPPLY CHAIN AND NOT HAVE THE TAX THAT RAISED PRICES, THIS IS THE TYPE OF PROJECT WE NEED TO APPROVE.
WE TALKED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION IMPACT.
TRANSPORTATION IMPACT OF THE RESIDENCES THAT CAN BE BUILT THERE TODAY, AS YOU SAW FROM THE TRANSPORTATION EXPERT, THEY WOULD EXCEED THE TRIPS ON THE ROAD.
AS FAR AS CHIEF GOES, 214 IS APPROPRIATE AND AVAILABLE FOR EXPANSION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT THERE LATELY.
YOU KNOW, YOU PEOPLE THAT IT IS NOT.
LET'S LOOK AT RACE TRACK ROAD.
I REMEMBER RACETRACK ROAD WHEN I WAS A KID.
I'M NOT SAYING 214 IS GOING TO BE THAT.
WE ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THE INTERCHANGE...
PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THAT IS GOING TO BE AN INTERCHANGE.
BUT THE AREA BETWEEN HOLMES BOULEVARD AND I-95 AND I-95 AND THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE DOWN WEST KING STREET IS GOING TO BE AN INTERCHANGE.
PEOPLE ARE ALREADY TRAVELING IT NOW TO GO TO HOLMES BOULEVARD.
I JUST DROVE IT ON THE WAY HERE.
HOAMTION IS NOT A COUNTRY ROAD THAT GOES PAST A MIDDLE SCHOOL.
HOLMES WAS BUILT BY THE COUNTY AS A BI-PASS ROAD BETWEEN 207 AND 16.
[02:10:03]
I WANT TO GO TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.WE ARE HERE FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM.
THEY ARE IN OUR APPLICATION SPECIFICALLY.
AND THEY ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT WHICH IS IN YOUR APPLICATION...
THERE ARE SECTIONS OF THE COMP PLAN THAT TALK ABOUT OBJECTIVES POLICIES.
AS FAR AS WHEN YOU ARE COMING TO ASK FOR THINGS TO BE DONE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MEET THOSE.
WE SPECIFICALLY AND METHODICALLY WENT THROUGH EACH OF THOSE.
AS I SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN.
SOME OF THEM INCLUDE WHETHER OR NOT THE PARTICULAR PROPOSAL IS CONTIGUOUS TO THE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
SPECIFICALLY, AS I WENT THROUGH EARLIER, LIMITING IT AND PROHIBITING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON WHY YOU SEE THE IW ZONING AS ATTACHED TO THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST.
YOU KNOW, IS THERE ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE? YES, THERE IS ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE.
YOU HEARD THAT 214 AND HOLMES ARE ONLY AT ABOUT 60%.
THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT DOESN'T EVEN BRING IT UP TO CAPACITY.
I THINK YOU HEARD FROM THE TRAFFIC EXPERT THAT THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 20-25% ON TO THAT.
THAT STILL KEEPS IT, YOU KNOW, UNDER, UNDER...
AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE.
I DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT THEM.
YOU KNOW, I THINK, AS I SAID, WE METHODICALLY WENT THROUGH EVERY SECTION AS IS REQUIRED IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPLICATION.
SHOWING THAT WE MEET ALL OF THEM.
WE SHOW THAT WE ALSO MEET THE POLICY PLAN CONSISTENCY.
WE WENT THROUGH THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT.
THE STATE AND COMPENCIVE PLAN CONSISTENCY.
AND AGAIN, LASTLY, I WANT TO KIND OF GO BACK AND POINT YOUR ATTENTION.
THIS IS THE COMPENCIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
AND AGAIN, I'M SHOWING THE LACK OF INDUSTRIAL USES WITHIN OUR COUNTY.
YOU HEARD IT FROM THE EXPERTS EARLIER.
THIS IS A LITTLE CLOSER INTO OUR AREA.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE DAVIS INDUSTRIAL PARK.
THAT IS JUST UP THE RAILROAD LINE FROM WHERE WE ARE.
RIGHT OFF HOLMES BOULEVARD AND 214.
THAT YOU CAN SEE HOW THE INDUSTRIAL PARK WHICH IS APPROVED, RESIDENTIAL.
THESE ARE PICTURES OF THE AREA.
THIS IS THE UPLANDS OF OUR SITE.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE MUCH HERE.
THIS IS OVER FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS OF THICKNESS.
AGAIN, THIS IS SOME OF THE RESIDENCES ALONG THE ROAD THAT YOU HEARD FROM.
THIS IS LOOKING PACK TOWARD THE SITE.
YOU SEE ALL THE TREES BEHIND THESE RESIDENCES.
IT WOULD BE LIKE LOOKING AT THE COURTHOUSE FROM HERE THROUGH ALL OF.
THIS AGAIN, HERE IS ANOTHER ONE.
JUST DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT.
AGAIN, I HAVE THIS ON HERE BECAUSE IT SHOWS YOU A FOOTBALL FIELD.
A FOOTBALL FIELD IS A LONG WAY.
THIS IS THE OVERHEAD I SPOKE OF EARLIER.
I WANTED TO SHOW YOU ON THE MAP.
THAT IS ACTUALLY TRUE, WHAT I'M TELLING YOU.
EVEN SOME OF THESE RESIDENCES, AS I SAID, 790 FEET.
THE MULTIFAMILY UP HERE ON U.S.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE BUILT-IN BUFFERS THAT WE HAVE.
THEY CAN TESTIFY MORE OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS IS A PICTURE LOOKING IN THAT DIRECTION FROM THE SITAR.
THIS IS FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS RIGHT HERE.
AND AS I SAID, BUILT-IN BUFFERS.
YOU SAW ON THE STAFF REPORT, THE LDC REQUIREMENT BETWEEN THE TWO USES IS A 30-FOOT C BUFFER.
WE WILL HAVE 1,200 FEET, 50-FOOT TREES FAR EXCEEDING.
THAT 40 TIMES THE BUFFER REQUIREMENT OF CODE.
AND SOME, WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED BOTH THE NEED AND THE ABILITY TO IMPLEMENT
[02:15:04]
THIS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE ON THIS PROPERTY.A PROPERTY THAT IS UNIQUELY BUFERRED FROM THE SURROUNDING USES.
IN FACT, THE PROPOSED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE, AS I SAID, IS MORE THAN FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS DISTANCE FROM THE SURROUNDING USES FILLED WITH 50-PLUS-FOOT TREES AND PRESERVED WETLANDS.
THIS IS EQUIVALENT, AS THIS VENUE FROM THE COURTHOUSE, IF THERE WERE FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS OF TREES AND WETLANDS FROM HERE TO THERE, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THE COURTHOUSE WAS THERE.
THE PROPOSAL OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING AND THE SPECIFIC PLAN WE PRESENTED SHOW A REAL PROJECT DEFINED AS TO USE, LOCATION, PRESERVATION OF WETLANDS AND TREES.
EXPERT TESTIMONY AS TO THE NEED AND THE IMPLEMENTATION.
TRANSPORTATION EXPERT TESTIMONY AS TO IMPROVEMENTS.
IN FACT, THE STAFF COMMENT THAT YOU SEE FROM THE REPORT CONFIRMS THAT THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS WOULD OFF-SET TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS PROPOSED IN THE SPECIFIC PROPOSAL.
FINALLY, DR. HINMAN DOES CARE ABOUT THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE RESIDENTS.
HE DOES CARE ABOUT THE CONTINUED SUCCESS AND LIVABILITY OF OUR GREAT COUNTY.
THIS IS WHY HE PROPOSES A PROJECT THAT WILL RESPECT THE AREA WITH HUGE PRESERVE BUFFERS.
A PROJECT THAT WILL HELP FURTHER AND TRANSPORT WHICH, IN TURN, WILL, IN FACT, SATISFY ALL OF US AS OUR AMAZON ORDERS ARE PLACED AND ARRIVE ON TIME.
IN ALL SINCERITY, FIVE INDUSTRIAL SITES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, ONLY ONE OR TWO THAT HAVE WAREHOUSING WILL NEVER SUFFICE.
WE WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
>> WE ARE CALLING THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
WELL, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO PROLONG THIS MEETING.
I HAVE MANY, MANY, MANY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.
I'LL TRY TO ASK THE QUESTIONS FIRST.
AT THE END, I'M GOING TO WRAP UP WITH A BUNCH OF COMMENTS.
IN FACT, I'M GOING TO READ SOME DIRECTLY FROM THE STAFF REPORT.
AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO JUMP AROUND.
THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED APPLICATION.
A LOT OF THINGS ARE IN THAT, WHAT WAS SAID HERE TODAY THAT I QUESTION AND HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO, AS I SAID EARLIER, BASE THIS ON THREE MAJOR CONCERNS.
TRANSPORTATION, ENVIRONMENTAL AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
THAT WILL PARALLEL BASICALLY WHAT THE STAFF REPORT OUTLINED IS THEIR CONCERN.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO GO OVER THAT.
I'M GOING TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
SOME STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE OF FLORIDA EAST COAST RAILWAY HERE? JAMES?
>> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A FLORIDA EAST COAST RAILWAY.
>> I WANTED A REPRESENTATIVE FROM FLORIDA EAST COAST RAILWAY AND TO SAY THAT THEY WERE ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS AND THEY ARE GOOD WITH THIS.
I DIDN'T SEE A STATEMENT LIKE THAT.
DIRECTLY FROM FLORIDA EAST COAST RAILWAY.
ALSO IS THERE A MEMBER OF THE JACKSONVILLE TRANSIT AUTHORITY HERE?
HOWEVER, THEY SENT US THE SLIDES.
>> THEY AUTHORIZED US TO REPRESENT THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED BY DELOITTE.
LET ME JUST TALK ABOUT THE JACKSONVILLE TRANSIT AUTHORITY.
WHAT EXPERTISE DO THEY HAVE IN COMMUTER RAIL?
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS ANSWERING CORRECTLY.
THE JACKSONVILLE TRANSIT AUTHORITY HAS BEEN STUDYING OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUTER RAIL FOR A WHILE.
>> THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 50 YEARS, AND THE ONLY KIND OF COMMUTER RAIL THEY HAVE IS A 2.5-MILE MONORAIL CALLED THE SKYWAY IN DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE.
OVER 50 YEARS, THEY HAVE NO OTHER COMMUTER RAIL.
MOST OF THEIR TRANSIT IS BUSES.
>> I DON'T SEE THE EXPERTISE THERE FOR THEM.
I HAVE BEEN CERTIFIED AS AN EXPERT WITNESS IN PLANT ECOLOGY, ECOLOGY,
[02:20:05]
ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS IN COURT CASES.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOUR EXPERTS SOME QUESTIONS AS WELL.
>> SO TO YOUR POINT, SO NORTHEAST FLORIDA HAS SUFFERED FROM URBAN SPRAWL-RELATED TO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR A LONG TIME.
WHEN YOUR LAND USE PATTERN FOLLOWS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, YOU END UP WITH CAR-CENTRIC THOUGHT PROCESSES.
AS WELL AS OUR FDOT FROM 1970 TO APPROXIMATELY 1992, ADOPTED A VERY SPECIFIC FOCUS OF MOVING VEHICLES RAPIDLY.
WHEN YOU DO THOSE THINGS IN COMBINATION WITH HOW TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS ARE FUNDED, INCLUDING STRATEGIC INTERMODAL SYSTEMS WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AS IT RELATES TO THE INTERSTATE AND THE RAIL, WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS THAT ALL OF THE FOCUS GOES TO FOCUSING ON CARS.
>> THE POINT I'M GOING TO GET TO IS THAT FOR JTA, THEY HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN LED THROUGH THE PROCESS OF TRANSIT AS A FORM OF THE ROADWAY SURFACE ITSELF.
>> SO WHAT EXPERTISE DO THEY HAVE IN COMMUTER RAIL?
SO IN THAT STUDY THAT YOU SAW THE SLIDE FOR, THAT WAS OCTOBER, OF THIS YEAR.
THIS IS THE FINAL INSTALLMENT OF A PLANNING STUDY IN ORDER TO GET THE FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SINCE THERE ARE CONCENTRATIONS OF ENOUGH DENSITY, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT WARRANT ANALYSIS EARLIER.
A SIMILAR THING WITH TRAIN STATIONS.
AND SO JTA RECOGNIZING THE NEED FOR TECHNICAL EXPERTS, HAS WSP, JACOBS, DELOITTE, AND VARIOUS OTHER INTERNATIONAL FIRMS THAT ARE GUIDING THIS PROCESS.
I HAVE BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH TO WORK IN SOUTH FLORIDA WITH SFRTA.
IT IS GROUP FROM BRIGHTLINE AS WELL AS THE...
WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT WE ARE FINALLY COMING INTO THE REALIZATION THAT RAIL AND SOME OF THESE OTHER MOBILITY OPTIONS THAT REMOVE THE SINGLE-USE OCCUPANCY VEHICLE AS THE ONLY OPTION IN ORDER TO MOVE AROUND AS IT IS, YOU KNOW, BEEN QUOTED BY CURRENT FEDERAL OFFICIALS TODAY, YOU KNOW, AS AS TOXICITY AND ALL POLLUTION, WE STILL HAVE TO MOVE AROUND.
SO WHAT JTA HAS DONE IS THEY HAVE ENLISTED TECHNICAL EXPERTS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY.
I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE.
THEY ARE NOT HERE BECAUSE WE ARE STILL IN COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO GET US TO A SITE PLAN AND GET EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, TO THE TABLE, AS YOU KNOW, IT IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS.
WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, GET SOME OTHER THINGS ACCOMPLISHED, AND SO NO, THEY ARE NOT HERE TODAY.
I DID SPEND SOME TIME ON THE PHONE WITH JONATHAN FROM DELOITTE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PLANNING STUDY.
I WAS PART OF THIS PLANNING STUDY.
SET RIGHT IN THIS ROOM BACK IN 2010.
CAN WE MOVE ON TO ANOTHER QUESTION? I THINK I ASKED A VERY SUCCINCT QUESTION.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR LIFE HISTORY AGAIN.
YOU SAID A MINUTE AGO, YOU HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE 95 IDEA.
>> YOU STATED THAT AT THE PODIUM.
>> WELL, MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE HISTORY, I HAVE BEEN IN WORKING IN TRANSPORTATION PLANNING FOR 20 YEARS.
A FACILITIES, WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE INITIAL SIS PLANNING, IT WAS...
JAMES IS NOT GOING TO LIKE THAT I'M GOING TO SAY THIS.
WHEN THE INTERSTATE FACILITY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT 214, THERE WAS A TIME IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY WHERE CERTAIN GROUPS OF PEOPLE WERE SEEN AS LESS THAN, AND SO THERE WAS A CHOICE MADE THAT THE INTERSTATE INTERCHANGE SHOULD NOT GO THERE AS THE WELCOMING MAT FOR THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND STFLT JOHN'S COUNTY.
>> WHICH IS RESULTING IN THE STATE ROAD 16 AND STATE ROAD 207.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE ACCESS HAS EVER GONE AWAY.
IT MEANS THEY ARE NOT PROGRAMMING FOR IT.
I DID CALL FDOT WHEN I GOT INVOLVED.
THERE ARE FIVE INTERSTATE INTERCHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED OF DOT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS FROM DIFFERENT GROUPS.
[02:25:03]
I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT IS IN PLAY.I WILL SAY WHEN YOU START HAVING LAND USE COME INTO WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
RIGHT? LET'S SAY IT IS RESIDENTIAL.
LET'S SAY THIS WHOLE THING IS RESIDENTIAL.
AND THERE IS AN EXTRA BETWEEN ROBINSON TRACK AND HERE...
ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT IS GOING TO TRIP THAT WARRANT ANALYSIS.
WHEN THAT WARRANT ANALYSIS FUNDING STARTS COMING INTO PLAY.
THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
>> CONSIDERING THAT THE 2209 AMENDMENT, COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, I BELIEVE IT WAS 2017 OR 2018 ALLOWED FOR IN 2026, THE BEGINNINGS OF SOME DESIGN FOR SEVERAL PARCELS AROUND THE AREA BY THE NATURE OF FUTURE LAND USE AND THE NEED FOR HOUSING STOCK BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THE MARKET AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, THERE IS STILL PEOPLE MOVING TO OUR STATE IN DROVES.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL.
STARTING IN 2026, I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET THAT YOU WILL START SEEING SOME THINGS THAT WILL START GENERATING THE TYPE OF CONCURRENCEY NEEDS THAT WILL START WARRANTING DIFFERENT TYPE OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
>> YOU ARE TALKING FDOT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD FUND AN INTERCHANGE AT 214 AND 995? ... I-95?
>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
VERSUS, LIKE, 16 IS A STATE ROAD.
THERE IS SIGNIFICANT MONEY RIGHT NOW FOR FEDERAL INTERMODAL...
INTERCONNECTIVITY PROJECTS TO CONNECTMENT.
>> THE I-95 IDEA THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS A POTENTIAL INTERCHANGE AT I-95 AND 214MENT.
>> AFTER YOUR REBUTTAL EARLIER THAT TO ME, WAS NOT A REBUTTAL, IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT TO STAND FOR ME.
>> LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
JAMES, IT WAS STATED AT THE PODIUM BY ONE OF THE MEMBERS FROM THE AUDIENCE THAT YOUR CLIENT WAS FINED AT ONE POINT.
IS THAT CORRECT? ABOUT SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY? I'M FOLLOWING UP ON SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY SAID.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHO MADE THAT STATEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW PARTICULARLY WHAT THAT STATEMENT WAS ABOUT.
THERE WAS NO FINDING OF THE REQUEST.
>> WE DON'T GET INPUT FROM THE AUDIENCE AT THIS POINT.
>> WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION SINCE THAT IS REALLY WHERE WE ARE HERE.
2,320 VEHICLE TRIPS PER WEEKDAY, TO ME, WITH NO ACCESS TO I-95, AND THERE IS NO ACCESS TO I-95 AND THERE PROBABLY WON'T BE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
I TRIED TO KEEP ABREAST OF THE NEWS.
WHERE IS ALL THAT TRAFFIC GOING TO GO? WHAT ARE THE ROUTES? IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED BY MR. CINERNEY, VARIOUS ROUTES.
I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER ROUTES OTHER THAN 214 EITHER EAST OR WEST.
HOLMES IS A CRITICAL AND ONE LEG OF THE ROAD.
YOU WILL EITHER GO ON FOUR MILE ROAD, ALSO A DEFICIENT SEGMENT.
AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO TURN LEFT ON TO 207 WHICH THE COUNTY COMMISSION HAD A REAL PROBLEM WITH TRUCKS TURNING OUT FROM THERE ON TO 207 TO GET TO THE INTERSTATE.
JAMES, YOU ARE SHAKING YOUR HEAD NO.
THAT IS NOT THE WAY YOU GET TO THE WE ARE STATE?
>> WHERE IS THE TRAFFIC GOING TO GO FROM HERE?
I'M GOING TO LET MY TRANSPORTATION EXPERT TALK ABOUT IT.
THE TRAFFIC WILL GO IN ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
JUST LIKE THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC TRIPS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PRODUCED IF THIS BECOMES RESIDENTIAL.
UNDER THE CURRENTLY APPROVED LAND USE AND ZONING.
THERE IS GOING TO BE MORE TRIPS ON THAT ROAD.
[02:30:01]
WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE CARS OR TRUCKS.THERE IS STILL GOING TO BE MORE TRIPS.
WHERE THEY GO FROM THERE IS A DIFFERENT STORY.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, DR. HILSENBECK, WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
IF YOU WANT TESTIMONY, YOU GIVE TESTIMONY.
I'M TRYING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
PART OF THE ANSWER IS THEY CAN GO LOTS OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
IT DOESN'T REQUIRE CONCURRENCEY, NUMBER ONE, WITHIN OUR COUNTY.
NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE PROPOSED ALL OF THE OFF-SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
YOU SEE IN THE REPORT, YOUR EXPERT STAFF SAYS THAT THOSE OFF-SITE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE SUFFICIENT AND ALSO IN EXCESS OF ADDRESSING ANY IMPACT THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD HAVE IN THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED STATUS.
I WAS NOT BRINGING UP CON CURRENCY.
I REALIZE THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS, COMMERCIAL PROJECTS DO NOT PAY PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.
I BELIEVE IT WAS AUGUST 7 OF 2018, I'M FULLY AWARE OF THAT.
TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
IT IS GOING TO GO SOUTH AND NORTH FROM YOUR SITE?
>> SO IMGOING TO GO EAST AND WEST ON 214 TO HOLMES WHICH IS DEFICIENT.
>> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CONCURRENCEY.
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO.
>> I THINK IT IS GOING TO GO ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
NUMBER TWO, YOU SEE THESE OFF-SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
HIS INTENT IS TO CONTINUE TO DO THINGS IN THE AREA TO MAKE HIS PROJECT CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA AND TO HANDLE THE TRIPS HE WANTS TO PUT ON THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, IF HE COULD DO RESIDENTIAL...
IF YOU WANT MORE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE NUMBERS, YOU CAN TALK TO THE EXPERT.
>> THEY MAY BE CAR TRIPS RATHER THAN SEMI-TRUCKS.
THEY TAKE UP MORE ROOM ON THE ROADS, MORE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE ROADS.
HEAVY TRUCKS VERSUS LIGHT TRUCKS.
SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION.
THERE IS A LOT TO UNPACK HERE.
TO ME, THE TRAFFIC ISSUE IS NOT PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.
THE TRAFFIC, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC OF LARGE TRUCKS ON THE ROAD IS INCOMPATIBLE TO WHAT'S OUT THERE.
AS YOU SAID, THERE ISNO BUT TREES ON 214 AS YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD.
TRUCKS AND FEDEX TRUCKS AND ALL OF THAT.
THIS IS A NEW USE OUT THERE OF A LOT MORE TRUCKS.
YOU UNLOAD THEM, CARGO ON TO CONTAINER TRUCKS.
AS SOMEBODY SAID HERE, YOU HAVE TO GET IN AND OUT.
THOSE THINGS HAVE TO COME IN BY TRUCK.
SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU IN MY OPINION, LOOKING AT THE LDC AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT THIS AMOUNT OF NEW TRAFFIC AND TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD, 2,320 WEEKDAY TRIPS IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH WHAT IS OUT THERE NOW.
PEOPLE BOUGHT OUT THERE WITH THE EXPECTATION THIS WAS GOING TO REMAIN REZ CONDITION USUAL B.
TO THE NORTH, TO THE WEST, THE SOUTH, TO THE EAST, WE HAVE CONSERVATION OVER THERE.
THERE IS CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.
THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
IS YOUR CLIENT WILLING TO HONOR THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT?
>> THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROACHED.
THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT PRESERVE IT IS ENVIRONMENT.
HE SAID THERE WERE NO DIRECT WETLAND IMPACTS.
[02:35:02]
T IMPACTS.BUT THEN LATER HE SAID CONVERTING A LOT OF THE SITE TO AG AND CATTLE.
YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE AG USES OUT THERE.
THAT UNDER THE AG PLAN, THEY HAVE CATTLE.
AND THEY HAVE DONE THAT ON THE PROPERTY.
YOU SAW THAT CENTRAL UPLANDS IS THE AREA THAT THEY INTEND TO UTILIZE FOR THIS PROJECT.
THOSE ARE ALL UPLANDS, AND I THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE.
THERE IS NO INTENT TO USE THE OUTLYING, YOU KNOW, AREAS FOR DEVELOPMENT.
THAT IS THE WHOLE REASON WE BROUGHT THE PLAN TO BE SPECIFIC.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE WETLANDS.
WE KNOW DR. HILSENBECK, YOU TALK ABOUT THAT AT EVERY HEARING.
WE THOUGHT THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT THING TO YOU.
THAT IS WHY WE HAVE DONE IT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE.
AGAIN, PRESERVING THAT UPLAND AREA ON THE WESTERN SIDE THAT IS RIGHT BEHIND THEIR HOMES AND NOT PUTTING HOUSES THERE, IS HUGE.
WE COULD PROPOSE THIS PROJECT AND NOT ASK FOR THAT PART TO BE INCLUDED, AND HE COULD PUT A ROAD OF HOUSES DOWN THERE.
THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO ME.
LET ME JUST SAY I LOOKED AT THE WHOLE PLAN.
AND ONE ITERATION OF YOUR PLAN, YOU HAVE THAT AS A PRESERVE AREA BUFFER.
ANOTHER ITERATION YOU HAVE IT AS A LARGE RETENTION PILE.
>> TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THE FACT IS WE CAME TO THE LAST HEARING AND IF YOU WILL RECALL BEING AT THAT HEAR, I KNOW YOU WERE THERE.
A NUMBER OF THE PEOPLE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, SOUND WILL CARRY ACROSS THOSE RETENTION PONDS.
WE ARE TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL AND RESPONSIVE TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE.
BY SAYING, HEY, LISTEN, LET'S KEEP THE TREES.
LET'S PRESERVE THAT IF WE CAN.
SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP AGAIN.
I WONDER WHY IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS THAT WERE PRESENTED, A MORE RECENT AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH WAS NOT UTILIZED.
WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE APPLICATION PACKAGE SHOWS ONE CENTRAL AREA HAVING BEEN CLEAR-CUT.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT A MORE RECENT AERIAL, WHICH I DID ON MY IPHONE, YESTERDAY, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT MR. MCINERNEY'S PRESENTATION BE PUT BACK UP AND GO TO ONE PARTICULAR SLIDE.
RATHER THAN ME COME DOWN THERE WITH MY IPHONE.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN TWO OTHER LARGE AREAS OF CLEAR-CUTS.
LET'S GET THAT WHERE THAT STAR IS OFF THERE.
TO THE NORTHEAST, THAT AREA IS ALSO CLEAR-CUT.
UNLESS I'M COMPLETELY MISREADING AERIAL BYRON DAFOES.
>> TIMBERED UNDER STATE-APPROVED AG PLAN APPROVED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
>> YOU CAN USE THE PROGRESSIVE TERM CLEAR-CUT.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY AND WHAT'S OUT THERE.
WHAT YOU PRESENTED WAS A CLEARING OF ONE CENTRAL AREA, BUT ACTUALLY, THE WHOLE NORTHEASTERN CORNER HAS BEEN CLEAR-CUT.
THERE ARE OVER 50 PILES OF TREES STACKED UP THERE.
I COULDN'T TELL WHAT THAT WAS INITIALLY.
I WOULD SAY THOSE ARE ALL TREES.
AND THEN DOWN IN THAT SOUTHERN...
THE SOUTHERN CORNER RIGHT ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THAT IS ALSO BEEN RECENTLY CLEAR-CUT.
HERE IS MY POINT ABOUT YOUR FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS.
IF YOU LOOK AT DEERWOOD LANE AND DEERWOOD ACRES DRIVE AND THE HOUSE THAT IS ARE RIGHT THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT, THEY ARE PROBABLY WITHIN A HUNDRED YARDS OF THAT CLEAR-CUT.
>> ON WHICH SIDE? > SOUTHWESTERN CORNER.
SOUTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT SOUTHERN PART THAT ABUTS DEERWOOD LANE AND DEERWOOD ACRES DRIVE.
YOU HAVE A LARGE CLEAR-CUT THERE.
I CAN'T SEE WHERE YOU ARE POINTING.
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT AREA RIGHT THERE.
>> AND JUST TO THE NORTHWEST OF THAT RAILROAD IS A LARGE CLEAR-CUT.
[02:40:04]
IS IT NOT?>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT CLEAR-CUT.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN TIMBERED UNDER AN APPROVED STATE AG PLAN.
IF THE RAIL TRELLIS IS GOING TO COME HERE AND GO ACROSS TO THE WAREHOUSE...
I'M TALKING FROM THAT RECENT CLEAR-CUT OF UPLANDS...
THIS I WAS TRYING TO STATE A FACT HERE.
>> DR. HINMAN OWNS THAT PROPERTY.
DR. HINMAN OWNS THOSE PROPERTIES DOWN THERE.
THEY ARE NOT FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS THERE BETWEEN THE END OF THE SOUTHERN END OF THE CLEAR-CUT FROM HERE TO HERE.
THERE ARE NOT FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS IN LENGTH THERE.
>> THERE IS NOTHING GOING TO BE HERE.
>> NOTHING IS GOING TO BE THERE.
>> THE RAILROAD SPUR IS GOING TO COME RIGHT THROUGH HERE.
>> THERE WILL BE TREES OR A POND HERE.
>> HOW ABOUT THE TRELLIS BRIDGE?
>> THE TRELLIS BRIDGE WILL BE UP HERE.
WELL, THERE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THERE AND THERE IS GOING TO BE TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE.
>> THERE IS TRAIN TRAFFIC RIGHT HERE.
>> I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE FACT THAT WHAT WAS IN YOUR ANALLY WAS WAS AN...
YOUR APPLICATION WAS AN OLD AERIAL.
THERE HAVE BEEN TWO MORE CLEAR-CUTS.
THAT THE CLEAR-CUTS IN RESIDENTIAL B ARE SUPPOSED TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY, AND THEY HAVE NO RECORD OF YOU REQUESTING THESE AND RECEIVING THOSE OR THEM APPROVING THOSE.
WE WILL LET OUR ECOLOGIST TELL YOU.
THE AERIALS LIKE THIS ONE THAT IS USED RIGHT HERE, NOT THIS ONE, BUT THE ONES ON OUR MAPS, THOSE ARE GIS.
THOSE ARE THE MOST UP-TO-DATE.
THEN YOU CAN GO AND PULL, LIKE, THE COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISERS WHICH IS USING GOOGLE.
THAT IS A MORE UP-TO-DATE VERSION.
THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
THAT IS IT FOR THE ACTUAL WHAT YOU SEE.
>> SO THE PHOTO THAT WE ARE SEEING HERE ON THE SCREEN FROM MR. MCINERNEY'S PRESENTATION IS A MORE RECENT PHOTO.
>> THAN WHAT YOU ALL HAD IN THE APPLICATION.
>> WHY DIDN'T YOU USE OR MENTION THIS? WHY DIDN'T YOU USE THE MORE RECENT PHOTO OR MENTION THESE ADDITIONAL CLEAR-CUTS? THE COUNTY IS TAKING ISSUE WITH THESE.
>> THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN CLEAR-CUT HAVE BEEN CUT UNDER TIMBER RIGHTS.
THAT IS UNDER A AG MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THEY HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO PASTURE.
THOSE AREAS THAT YOU SEE ARE PASTURE RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE COWS CURRENTLY UTILIZING THOSE WHICH ARE ALL IN A MANAGEMENT PLAN WHICH IS FILED WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.
AND WITH DIVISION OF FORESTRY.
>> I AM NOT DISPUTING THAT THEY WERE CLEAR-CUT UNDER SOME PLAN AND THAT THEY WERE UPLANDS.
I JUST ASKED YOU THE QUESTION.
WHY DIDN'T YOU IN YOUR APPLICATION, UTILIZE A MORE RECENT AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS THAT WE WERE GIVEN?
>> BUT MY ANSWER WAS DIRECTLY, GIS, ARK VIEW, THE AERIALS WE USED ARE THE MOST UP-TO-DATE VERSION IN THAT PROGRAM.
WE DON'T PULL AERIALS FROM GOOGLE AND DROP THEM INTO ARK VIEW.
THEN YOU WILL HAVE STUFF THAT IS OFF.
WE USE THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
THAT IS THE REASON WHY THE PICTURES THAT YOU HAVE...
THE AERIALS, THE BACKGROUND IS BASED OFF OF WHAT WAS MOST READILY AVAILABLE.
MCINERNEY GOT THESE SOMEWHERE.
>> I JUST THINK THE FURTHER ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.
I YOU ARE TRYING TO TESTIFY, THAT IS FINE.
BUT THE POINT IS THAT WE SUBMITTED A PLAN TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
THE PLAN SHOWS YOU THE INTENT IS TO DEVELOP THE CENTRAL UPLANDS.
[02:45:07]
THE INTENT IS TO PRESERVE THE WETLANDS THAT SURROUND IT.THE INTENT, AS TO KEEP THIS OVER HERE, AS THE PEOPLE REQUESTED, TREED AND PRESERVED.
THE INTENT IS TO USE THIS AREA HERE FOR POSSIBLY A POND OR TO PLANT THIS AND HAVE A POND HERE.
TO USE THESE AREAS THAT YOU SEE ON HERE.
THE INTENT IS NOT TO MISLEAD ANYBODY ABOUT WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT THIS SECOND.
THE INTENT IS THIS IS THE PLAN.
THIS IS A PLAN THAT IS APPROVED.
WHAT THEY HAVE DONE OUT THERE HAS BEEN APPROVED.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING THAT HASN'T BEEN.
>> I DIDN'T SAY THERE WAS A VIOLATION.
I SAID THE COUNTY IS DISPUTING THAT YOU DID THESE WITHOUT THEM BEING AWARE OF IT.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT REPORT THAT IS IN THE PACKET IDENTIFIES THOSE AREAS AS APPROVED PASTURE.
ON THE HABITAT, THEY ARE CALLED OUT AS PASTURE.
THE COUNTY WAS THROUGH THE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND LOOKED AT THESE AREAS.
>> WE USE CIVIL CULTURE BEST MANAGEMENT.
THE OWNER HAS DIFFERENT PRACTICES.
FOR THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN...
FOR THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN HARVESTED AND THEN REPLANTED WITH PONDS, THIS PROPERTY, THE AREAS HARVESTED HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO PASTURE.
SO ALL TIMBERING WAS DONE UNDER FLORIDA BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
THAT IS WHAT IS STATED IN YOUR APPLICATION.
WHEN I LOOKED AT MY IPHONE AERIALS WHICH ARE MUCH, MUCH BETTER RESOLUTION THAN ANY OF THESE, I SAW CLEAR-CUTTING DIRECTLY TO THE EDGE OF THE CREEK.
THIS IS THE CREEK THAT FLOWS INTO THE RIVER.
I SAW CLEAR-CUTTING ALONG MUCH OF THE LINE.
THE EASTERN SIDE OF MOULTRIE CREEK RIGHT TO THE END OF THE CREEK.
THERE IS NO STREAM-SIDE MANAGEMENT ZONE.
I KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE WITH A LOT OF FORESTRY COMPANIES THAT HELPED TO WRITE THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
THERE IS CLEAR-CUTTING RIGHT TO THE STREAM EDGE.
BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, IN MY OPINION, LOOKING AT AERIALS, NOT BEING OUT ON THE SITE, I'M AT A HANDY CAP THAT I DIDN'T GO OUT TO THE SITE.
I WANT TO ASK YOU, IS THERE CLEAR-CUTTING DIRECTLY TO THE EDGE OF MOULTRIE CREEK IN THAT NORTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY?
>> IN THE NORTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, THERE IS A TRAIL THAT CROSSES.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GET OVER THERE.
THEY CAN'T UTILIZE THE OTHER SITE.
THERE IS THE TRAIL THAT IS CROSSED.
>> THIS GOES ON POTENTIALLY HUNDREDS OF YARDS WHERE RIGHT TO THE EDGE OF THE CREEK.
THERE HAS BEEN A CLEAR-CUTTING.
RIGHT TO THE EDGE OF THE BANK.
>> I BELIEVE THAT THE CLEAR-CUTTING IS IN FOR THE CROSSING.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GET ACROSS, THE UPLAND AREA...
>> WELL, WE WILL HAVE TO PUT A MORE RECENT AERIAL FROM GOOGLE.
SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
BUT THAT IS NOT BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
>> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO POINT OUT, DR. HILSENBECK, IS THE FACT THAT THIS PLAN, THE PLAN YOU SERE HERE, YOU SEE WHAT WE WANT TO DO?
>> THE POINT IS TO PRESERVE IT.
THERE IS WAYS TO PRESERVE THIS.
THERE IS WAYS TO REINVIGORATE THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE WAREHOUSES OVER HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTRUSIONS INTO THE WETLANDS OVER HERE.
THERE WILL BE MORE SPECIFICS AS WE GET OUR SITE PLAN AND THE COUNTY REQUIRES IT.
I SUBMIT THAT YOU DID INTRUDE INTO THAT AREA OF MOULTRIE CREEK INTO WETLANDS
[02:50:06]
ALONG THAT EASTERN BANK OF MOULTRIE CREEK.LOOKING AT THE AERIAL PHOTOS, THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO GO ON.
MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT THE AERIAL PHOTO WITH HIGH RESOLUTION.
WE COULD ASK WHAT SHE THINKS ABOUT THAT.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE PROPOSAL.
WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO OF THE PROPOSAL OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO?
>> WHAT YOU ARE SHOWING THERE IS NO LONGER PRESENT AS PART OF THE MOULTRIE CREEK FLOOD PLANE.
IT IS GONE ON THAT EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO WHAT YOU ARE SHOWING IS THE PLAN.
IT IS NOT VALID, IN MY OPINION, LOOKING AT THE AERIALS.
>> WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL WHO DID AN ON-SITE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT.
YOU HAVE THE REPORT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
>> YOU ARE USING AN OLD AERIAL.
>> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, HE WAS ON SITE.
HE HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AS AN EXPERT.
IT IS YOUR JOB AS AN AGENCY MEMBER TO ASK QUESTIONS.
NOT TO PRODUCE EVIDENCE, NOT TO BE AN EXPERT, NO PROVIDE...
THE EXPERTS ARE HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
YOU HAVE THE REPORT IN YOUR FILE.
YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED PLAN WHICH INTENDS TO PRESERVE ALL OF THIS.
WHATEVER IS HERE NOW, THE POINT IS TO PRESERVE IT.
IT IS A GOOD THING FOR MOULTRIE CREEK.
IF THAT AREA HAD NOT BEEN CLEAR-CUT RIGHT TO THE EDGE OF THE CREEK.
>> THEY CAN CLEAR TREES WITHIN THE WETLAND.
YOU CAN HARVEST TREES UNDER THIVE IS CALL RULES.
YOU CAN HARVEST UP TO 90% OF THE TREES.
>> I'M SURE THAT THE APPLICANT, ANY AREA THAT THEY HAVE CLEARED, ONCE THEY GET INTO DEVELOPMENT, WE START PERMITTING THIS THING THROUGH THE AGENCIES, AND WE TALK ABOUT PRESERVATION, WE CAN'T PRESERVE...
THE AGENCIES AREN'T GOING TO LET US USE PRESERVATION THAT IS IMPACTED.
IT WILL HAVE TO BE RESTORED AS PART OF THE PROCESS.
AGAIN, THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS HERE.
YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH WITH THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THERE IS A LOT OF RESTORATION THAT CAN BE DONE.
THAT CAN LEAVE SOME OF THIS STUFF AS PROTECTION.
>> THAT IS WHAT I WAS HOPING I WOULD SEE.
WHEN WE GO TO PERMIT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND WE HAVE TO...
WE HAVE PRESERVATION AND KOBSRATION IS OVER THOSE WETLANDS, WE CAN'T PUT IMPACTED WETLANDS, BE IT THROUGH WHATEVER VEHICLE IT WAS, THROUGH AGRICULTURE, THROUGH ANYTHING, UNDER PRESERVATION.
THE ONE THING THAT WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT HERE, ONCE WE DO THAT, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN NUISANCE AND EXOTICS.
>> IF WE HAD A RECENT AERIAL PHOTO FROM GOOGLE EARTH UP THERE...
THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHOW.
YOUR PLAN IS NOT DEPICTING REALITY, IN MY OPINION, FROM WHAT I SEE ON RECENT AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS.
>> AND I FEEL THAT THERE WAS SOME...
THAT I WAS MISLED BY THE STAFF REPORT AND MATERIALS YOU PUT IN WITH THE AERIALS, OLDER AERIALS.
>> AS TO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO? FOR LACK OF BEATING A DEAD HORSE FOREVER, I DON'T THINK YOU ARE MISLED.
W REINVIGORATE THIS AREA HERE, WE HAVE NO INTENT...
WE HAVE NO INTENT TO DEVELOP THIS.
IF YOU ARE TRYING TO ASSERT WE ARE VIOLATING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE ARE NOT.
>> CAN WE STOP BICKERING ABOUT THIS? AND JUST PUT UP A RECENT PHOTO AND HAVE JAN BREWER COMMENT ON IT.
>> JAN, WOULD YOU COME ON UP, PLEASE?
>> AND I CAN SHOW YOU ON MY PHONE.
WHICH I DON'T KNOW THE DATE OF THE APPLE APP FUNCTION.
>> BEFORE WE GO ON WITH THIS, DIDN'T WE HAVE STAFF ON SITE RECENTLY, JAN?
HE ONLY WENT ON SITE FOR ONE PURPOSE.
TO DETERMINE IF IT WAS ACTIVE TIMBERING GOING ON.
[02:55:04]
THAT IS THE ONLY THING HE REVIEWED FOR THAT PURPOSE.ONCE THEY PUT IT UP, THIS IS FACING NORTH.
HERE ARE THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN CLEARED.
>> YOU CAN SEE THE CREEK IS THE FORESTED AREA.
THIS IS THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS RIGHT HERE, YOU WILL SEE I ALSO BROUGHT THE...
TO SHOW THIS, ALL OF THIS GREEN HERE, ALL OF THE LIGHTER COLORS, THAT IS THE WETLAND SYSTEM.
ASSOCIATED WITH MOULTRIE CREEK.
I THINK DR. HILSENBECK, THIS WAS THE PORTION YOU MAY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
>> IT IS EXTENSIVE ALL ALONG THERE.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE CREEK IS...
THE FLOOD PLANE OF THE CREEK HAS NEARLY BEEN BREACHED IN TWO.
I MEAN, THE CREEK WAS MUCH WIDER THAN THAT.
THE PLAN THAT JAMES WAS SHOWING, YOU HAVE THE CREEK.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ESTIMATE FEET THERE.
BUT HERE, WITH THE CLEAR-CUTTING, YOU ARE RIGHT ALONG THE EDGE OF THE CREEK.
WHAT I SEE ON MY PHONE ON GOOGLE EARTH MAPS, THERE IS A LOT BETTER RESOLUTION.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE CLEAR-CUT TO THE EDGE OF THE CREEK.
I WISH WE COULD GET A GOOD IMAGE.
>> DR. HILSENBECK, THIS SHOWS IT PRETTY CLEARLY.
IT IS EVEN WORSE WITH BETTER RESOLUTION.
>> THERE IS NOTHING LEFT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
>> THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO SEE.
YOU WERE RIGHT TO THE EDGE OF THE RUN OF THE CREEK.
RIGHT TO THE FRONT OF THE CREEK.
THAT ENTIRE EASTERN SIDE OF THE CREEK...
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HUNDRED YARDS THAT IS.
HAS BEEN COMPLETELY CLEAR-CUT TO THE EDGE OF THE CREEK.
THAT IS NOT BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
AND IT IS NOT WHAT YOU KEEP SAYING.
THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PRESERVING.
>> IT IS NOT SHOWING WHAT YOU WERE SHOWING IN YOUR PLAN.
THE PREVIOUS FLOOD PLANE VEGETATION OF THE CREEK, THE CREEK UNMOLESTED AT THAT POINT.
THAT IS WHAT YOU WERE SHOWING IN YOUR PLAN.
THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS SHOWING.
THAT THERE IS CLEAR-CUT TO THE EDGE OF THE CREEK.
IT IS NOT WHAT YOUR PLAN IS SHOWING, JAMES.
ARE WE SHOWING, ARE WE SHOWING DEVELOPMENT OVER HERE?
>> YOU ARE SHOWING THE FLOOD PLANE OF MOULTRIE CREEK THERE.
>> BUT, THE ENTIRE EASTERN PORTION OF THAT FLOOD PLANE IS NOW GONE.
>> I THINK AT THIS POINT, IT IS CLEAR.
WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT POINT.
GIVEN THAT THIS IS RES-B AND O.R.
ZONING, AND WHAT YOU ARE PLANNING OUT THERE IS A JUMP FROM RES-B AND OPEN RURAL TO INDUSTRIAL, EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE DOING...
YOU ARE LIMITING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
ALL THE CLANGING AND BANGING, THE TRAIN TRAFFIC.
>> ALL THIS TRAIN TRAFFIC OVER HERE.
>> IT IS GOING TO COME UP BY YOUR FACILITY.
IT IS GOING TO COME OFF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
THERE WILL BE A LOT OF NOISE GENERATED.
I DON'T THINK INDUSTRIAL IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE RES-B ZONING THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.
OPEN RURAL AND FUTURE LAND USE FOR RES-B.
LOOKING AT THIS, YOU HAVE SOME RES-C FURTHER TO THE EAST.
YOU HAVE CONSERVATION AND PRESERVATION THERE.
AND I'M PLANNING TO GROUND ALL OF THIS IN COMP PLAN A.1,.2 AND PLAN A.1...
[03:00:08]
THERE ARE SEVERAL ASPECTS THERE THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING HERE.IN MY OPINION, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE BOARD OR ANYONE ELSE.
IN MY OPINION, THIS IS NOT COMPATIBLE OR RELEVANT.
I CAN READ YOU IF YOU WANT, I KNOW YOU KNOW IT WELL, JAMES.
I CAN READ YOU WHAT COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT MEANS.
AND SOME FACTORS USED IN DECIDING COMPATIBILITY.
THIS IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
AND I WANTED TO READ STATEMENTS.
THIS FROM TRANSPORTATION, THEY HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT HAS CONCERNS.
IN TERMS OF COMPATIBILITY OF INDUSTRIAL WITHIN THE RES-B.
WHEN IT IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND HOMES, CONSERVATION, OFF TO THE EAST.
THIS, TO ME, IS NOT COMPATIBILITY.
I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS I COULD ASK.
I'M NOT GOING TO CONTINUE RIGHT NOW.
>> OUR ROADS IN HERE AND IN HERE AND OVER HERE AND OVER HERE WITH HOUSES ALL HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE AND HERE, IS THAT COMPATIBLE?
>> I DON'T SEE ANY HOUSES THERE.
>> YOU ARE OKAY WITH THAT? THAT IS RES-B.
>> I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER A QUESTION FROM YOU, FRANKLY.
WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS CHANGING FROM RES-B TO INDUSTRIAL.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS COMPATIBLE.
IF YOU CAME IN HERE WITH A PROPOSAL FOR HOUSES, I WOULD HAVE TO JUDGE THAT COMPLETELY AND SEE WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED.
>> WELL, IT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
>> BUT WE COULD POSSIBLY DISCUSS DETAILS OF WHAT YOU SHOWED UP THERE FOR RESIDENTIAL IF THAT IS REALLY ACCURATE OR NOT.
BUT LET ME JUST SAY YOUR PLAN, AND YOU KEEP SAYING "THIS IS THE PLAN.
THIS IS THE PLAN." IN THAT AREA ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY, AND NORTHWESTERN BOUNDARY, BUT THE BIG WESTBOUNDRY, FIRST OF ALL, YOU SAID IN ONE AREA, IT IS PRESERVATION.
THERE WAS GOING TO BE A TREE BUFFER.
THREE TO FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS LONG.
IN ANOTHER ONE, YOU HAVE IT AS A LARGE RETENTION POND.
I ANSWERED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR CONVERSATION.
>> I TOLD YOU THAT THE INITIAL PLAN WAS TO HAVE RETENTION ON THAT SIDE WHICH WE STILL HAVE LOT OF...
WE SAID WE WENT BACK AND I'LL ANSWER IT AGAIN.
THAT WE DECIDED THIS IS BETTER TO KEEP THIS PRESERVATION.
TO CAST ASPERSIONS AND SAY WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING...
>> THE MOST RECENT ONE WHICH YOU HAVE RIGHT HERE, SAYS THIS IS PRESERVATION.
S A A LONG WAY IN BETWEEN THE TWO.
THIS IS WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE.
THIS IS NOT INTENDED FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT IS BUFFERED FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THAT IS WHAT 8.1.11 WILL TALK ABOUT.
>> JAMES, DID I MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING? DID I SAY THAT? WHAT YOU SAID? DID I SAY THAT?
>> RIGHT NOW, I'M GOING TO STOP.
BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WITH QUESTIONS.
I REALLY COULD GO ON A LOT LONGER HERE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS NECESSARY.
IN MY MIND, THIS IS COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION, ENVIRONMENTAL, AND ROAD MOGHT MANAGEMENT WITH THE CURRENT ZONING.
I HOPE THERE ARE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU OR MATT.
YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT UTILITIES AVAILABILITY THERE.
>> SURPRISINGLY, THESE FACILITIES DON'T HAVE A HUGE UTILITY DEMAND.
I DON'T THINK UTILITIES WILL BE AN ISSUE FOR THE SITE.
[03:05:03]
WE HAVE A WATER MAIN ACROSS THE STREET.>> THIS WON'T BE AN INDUSTRIAL THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF WATER USE FOR FIRE PROTECTION?
>> WE HAVE CAN'T PREDICT THE...
WE DON'T ANTICIPATE A MANUFACTURER USING PROCESSED WATER IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE IMPLYING.
WE WOULD NEED PRESSURE AND FLOW FOR FIRE PROTECTION.
AND REALLY JUST PORTABLE WATER TO SERVE THE REST ROOM FACILITIES ASSOCIATED.
TO CLARIFY MY THOUGHT PROCESS.
IF THIS IS RECOMMENDED, WHAT ARE THE STEPS AFTER THIS? WHERE DOES IT GO NEXT?
>> THIS BOARD RECOMMENDS IT TO GO FORWARD OR RECOMMENDS A DENIAL OF THE TRANSMITTAL, IT WILL GO TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THE FLORIDA COUNTY COMMISSIONER WILL MAKE A DETERMINATION THEN FOR IT TO BE TRANSMITTED OR NOT TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE.
IF THE FLORIDA COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TRANSFER.
>> THEN DOES IT COME BACK TO COUNTY COMMISSIONERS? THEIR RECOMMENDATION I ASSUME, COMES BACK?
>> IT WOULD COME BACK FOR ADOPTION HEARINGS IF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TRANSMITS IT.
AND AFTER 30 DAYS OF THE REVIEW, IF THERE ARE MINIMAL COMMENTS FROM THE STATE AND REGIONAL AGENCY, IT WILL BE SCHEDULED AGAIN FOR THIS BOARD.
THEN IT WILL GO ON TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR THEM TO ADOPT OR NOT ADOPT.
AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS GETS IT AGAIN.
THAT IS THE WAY I REMEMBERED IT.
I THINK THAT IS GOOD COMMENTARY.
IT IS GOING TO GO TO THE REGIONAL, YOU KNOW, AND STATE AGENCIES.
THEY CAN SEE WHAT THEY THINK OF IT AS WELL.
THEY WILL GET COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT MAY BE ISSUES OR CERTAIN MEMBERS MAY THINK THEY ARE ISSUES, CAN BE ADDRESSED BY THE STATE REGIONAL AGENCIES AS WELL.
I THINK SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO THE EVALUATION.
THEN WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER TO ADOPT OR NOT.
>> THAT IS ALL MY COMMENTS AT THE MOMENT.
FIRST OFF, WE HAVE A TEN-ACRE THAT YOU ARE DOING RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING O.R.
ZONING, DO YOU HAVE TO DO A PUD OVER TEN ACRES? OR CAN YOU JUST DEVELOP UNDER THAT O.R.
>> IT IS BASED ON THE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
THE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS RESIDENTIAL, THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE PUD ZONING.
>> THEY COULD GO FORWARD RIGHT NOW AND OPERATE...
BUILD IT OUT AS A DEVELOPMENT.
IT WOULD BE A SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PLAN.
>> AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE MAP OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, WE HAVE THESE HOMES TO THE DIRECT WEST, THOSE LOOK LIKE THEY ARE PROBABLY ROUGHLY ONE ACRE LOTS.
>> I HAVEN'T MEASURED THOSE LOTS.
THEY LOOK LIKE THEY ARE ABOUT AN ACRE.
>> DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ZONING IS FOR THE MORGAN'S COVE? WHERE THEY RUN THE SEWER IN AND...
>> I DON'T KNOW THE SIZE OF THE LOTS OR THE ZONING.
WE CAN LOOK THOSE UP AND GET THAT TO YOU IN A FEW MINUTES.
>> I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, PARTICULARLY, MORGAN'S COVE, WHAT SIZE THEY ARE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
THE PLANNER STATED THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY AREAS ZONED FOR THIS KIND OF USE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
HOWEVER, JAMES SHOWED FIVE SUCH AREAS THAT ARE INDUSTRIAL SITES.
HE SAID NOT ENOUGH WAREHOUSING.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAREHOUSE SITES.
[03:10:01]
MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE IT ALL, BUT WE DO HAVE FIVE INDUSTRIAL SITES.IS THAT CORRECT? IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY?
>> WHAT I COULD FIND ONLY APP, THERE ARE FIVE AREAS.
>> A COUPLE OF THOSE ARE RIGHT ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS?
>> DAVIS RIGHT UP FROM THERE AND RIGHT DOWN FROM THIS.
>> THE SITE YOU ARE REPRESENTING HERE TODAY IS NOT UNIQUE IN THAT IT'S THE ONLY PLACE YOU CAN DO INDUSTRIAL, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL?
I THINK IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THOSE SITES.
THAT IS WHY I THINK IT IS COMPATIBLE.
DO YOU THINK THAT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY NEEDS TO TRANSITION FROM A TOURIST-BASED ECONOMY TO AN INDUSTRIAL-BASED ECONOMY?
I BELIEVE THE FACT THAT YOU HEARD FROM THE EXPERTS THAT TESTIFIED TODAY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SITES, MORE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SITES, PARTICULARLY AN INTERMODAL SITE THAT TAKE OF THE RAILROAD TO INCREASE OUR SUPPLY CHAIN THAT WE WERE COMPLETELY MAGNIFIED DURING THE COVID PANDEMIC, AND I THINK THIS IS A SITE THAT CAN DO SO WITH THE MAIN CENTER WETLANDS.
LIKE I SAID, IT IS SIMILAR TO THE DAVIS INDUSTRIAL SITE AND FEC SITE.
I THINK, HE IS AN EXCELLENT ECONOMIST.
WE HAD HIRED HIM TO DO ECONOMIC ANALYSES AND OTHER WORK FOR US.
BUT I AM WONDERING IF WE HAVE THE BASE HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, SINCE WE ARE NEARLY AT FULL EMPLOYMENT IN THIS COUNTY.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HISTORIC LOWEST EMPLOYMENT IN THE UNITED STATES EVER WAS? I'M TRYING TO GET AT THE QUESTION OF WORKFORCE.
THE LOWEST EMPLOYMENT EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES WAS 1%.
THAT WAS RIGHT AROUND WORLD WAR I.
THE 50-YEAR LOW WAS REACHED IN JULY AND AUGUST OF 2022 AT 3.5%.
THAT IS BASICALLY FULL EMPLOYMENT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT ECONOMISTS SAY.
WE HAVE THE THIRD LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT IN THE ENTIRE STATE.
MIAMI-DADE AND MONROE COUNTY HAVE LOWER UNEMPLOYMENT RATES THAN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT, YOU FULLY UTILIZED AND ALL OF THAT.
I QUESTION WHETHER ALL THESE DIFFERENT JOBS TO BE FILLED...
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT KIND OF ACTIVITIES ARE GOING TO GO ON IN THERE.
BUT STILL, LET ME ASK A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
>> DO YOU WANT AN ANSWER REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ISSUE YOU WERE JUST DISCUSSING? BECAUSE THIS IS FROM TODAY.
>> YOU SAID WE DON'T HAVE ANY AREAS ZONED FOR THIS KIND OF USE.
>> WE DON'T HAVE FUTURE AREAS ZONED.
AND PART OF THE ISSUE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH REGARDS TO A DIVERSITY WITHIN OUR COMMERCE OFFERINGS IS WE ARE ACTUALLY EXACERBATING SOME OF OUR ISSUES.
UNEMPLOYMENT, WE ARE BETWEEN THE 90TH AND 100TH PERCENTILE WHEN YOU COMPARE AN CONTRAST US TO OUR STATE AS WELL AS TO THE NATION.
WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF THIS PROJECT.
WITH REGARDS TO UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS.
WHAT THAT SAYS IS WHILE WE ARE...
WE CAN TOUT THAT WE DON'T HAVE LARGE UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS THAT, MEANS WE ARE EXPORTING OUR TALENT TO OTHER PLACES SUCH AS JACKSONVILLE WHICH EXACERBATES OTHER ISSUES SUCH AS TRAFFIC ON THE INTERSTATE.
BY PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE CAN HAVE LIVABLE WAGES WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE FOR A LOT OF THESE AREAS, RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN LARGELY INTO SERVICE INDUSTRIES LIKE TOURISM, WE WILL BE A TOURIST COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE THE BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC LOOKING AT RAIL PLATFORM AS WELL.
BUT THIS DOES PROVIDE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN HASTINGS AND THE WEST AUGUSTINE CRA COMMUNITY, YOU ARE TALKING BETWEEN TWO AND FOUR MILES FROM THERE WHICH IS VERY WALKABLEST BIKABLE, TO LIVABLE WAGE JOBS.
WE HAVE A LOW UNEMPLOYMENT RATE.
THAT HAS TO DO WITH 95%, YOU KNOW...
WE ONLY HAVE A 5% AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATION AS OF RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A LOT OF REALLY EXPENSIVE HOUSING.
[03:15:02]
BUT THEY ARE GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE AND TAKING THEIR TALENTS WITH THEM.SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A MORE RESTRICTIVE ZONING SO WE CAN ACCOMPLISH OTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBJECTIVES, THERE IS A TRADEOFF, OBVIOUSLY.
THERE IS A NEED WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
I MEAN, THE PROPERTY IS RIGHT THERE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
I JUST PULLED THIS UP BEFORE I GOT HERE TODAY TO.
TALK ABOUT LIFE EXPECTANCY AND UNEMPLOYMENT AND WHERE THEY MERGE.
IT IS KIND OF AN INTERESTING GRAPHIC.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER OUR POPULATION MIX BASED ON THE RECENT CENSUS DAY DA.
IF THERE IS AN INDUSTRIAL AREA NORTHEAST OF THERE THAT IS ESTABLISHED ON THE RAILROAD TRACKS, FOR EXAMPLE.
I'M ALL FOR GOING TO MORE RAIL IF WE CAN DO THAT.
I JUST DON'T THINK BASED ON HERE, BASED ON THE TRANSPORTATION ASPECTS, NO ACCESS TO 95, USING LOCAL TWO-LANE ROADS FOR ALL THIS ENORMOUS TRAFFIC THAT HAS TO BRING THINGS IN AND TAKE THINGS OUT, THAT THIS IS...
AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS.
AND THE ZONING, THE RESIDENCES NEARBY.
AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION EASEMENTS TO THE EAST.
THIS IS JUST THE WRONG PLACE FOR THIS.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE WRONG PLACE.
WHAT WAS THE STATEMENT YOU MADE?
>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU SAW THE GRAPHIC.
>> THIS IS NOT A SCARY PROJECT.
>> I SAID THIS IS A SCARY PROJECT FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE.
WELL, I SUBMIT IT IS NOT A SCARY PROJECT.
IT IS JUST AN INCOMPATIBLE PROJECT.
>> I THINK IT IS SCARY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE CAN'T GET TO MORE OF AN ACCURATE SITE PLAN.
WE DON'T HAVE THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
NOBODY IS GOING TO GO INTO DOING UTILITY AND DRAINAGE AND THESE OTHER THINGS UNTIL THEY HAVE THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
NUMBER TWO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION EARLIER.
WE NEVER GOT THERE BETWEEN THE OTHER DIALOGUE.
WHEN WE RAN THE TRIP GENERATION, SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE TYPE OF VEHICLE MIX.
THIS IS BASED ON THE ITE GENERATION.
THIS REPORT WAS SUPPLIED IN THE BACK OF THE MOST RECENT SUBMITTAL.
THIS IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE BASED EVERYTHING ELSE ON.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE TRUCK MODE MIX, RIGHT? OUR VEHICLE TYPES, THE INTERMODAL TRUCK FACILITY WHICH I THINK IS THE ONE THAT EVERYBODY IS MOST CONCERNED ABOUT.
OBVIOUSLY, AT 1, 100 VERSUS ALMOST 4,000 CAR TRIPS A DAY FROM A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE THIRD.
THERE IS ONLY SO MANY HOURS IN THE DAY.
THEY ARE LOADING AND OFF-LOADING FROM A TRAVEL DEMAND ON THE ROAD ITSELF.
YOU ASKED WHERE THE VEHICLES WERE GOING.
WE UTILIZED THE 50-50 SPLIT CONCEPT.
SO BASICALLY, WHAT THAT DOES IS THE 25% ADDITIONAL IMPACT ON COUNTY OR 214, WE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT HAVING A SITE HERE, WE SAID OKAY, IF PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS TRUCKS AND THEY ARE GOING NORTH AND 50% GOING SOUTH, THEY WOULD HAVE LESS THAN 2% IMPACT ON HOLMES BOULEVARD.
BASED ON THE ALLOWABLE AADT OF HOLMES BOULEVARD, AND THEN COUNTY ROAD 214, WAS ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT TO DEATH.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS OUT THERE.
EVERYBODY THINKS THAT WE KEPT TALKING ABOUT 2,000 VEHICLES AND THINKING IT WAS GOING TO BE 2,000 SEMITRUCKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THESE ARE STAFF WAREHOUSE STAFF THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT GOING IN AND OUT.
VERSUS 18-WHEELERS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
>> DO YOU PROVIDE THIS PARTICULAR PAGE OR THIS MATERIAL TO THE COUNTY STAFF TRANSPORTATION STAFF?
THIS WAS PROVIDED IN NOVEMBER.
>> THEY HAVE DIFFERENT FIGURES.
THE COUNTY STAFF, THE TRANSPORTATION STAFF IS COMING UP WITH 2,320.
AND YOU ARE UNDER THAT CONSIDERABLY.
>> I THINK WE INDUSTRIAL IT AT ALMOST 900,000 SQUARE FOOT.
WE ARE DOING THIS BASED ON THE CONCEPT CHUL SITE PLAN.
THIS IS THE MORE INTENSIVE EXPECTATION THAT WE HAVE GIVEN OWNER.
LIKE, HEY, LISTEN, THIS IS REALLY WHAT YOU SHOULD PUT OUT THERE.
WE HAVE TO CARVE OUT SOME STUFF TO.
YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY, IT WAS 9 HUNDRED,000.
WE WANTED TO MAKE IT FIT PROPERLY.
THIS MORE INTENSIVE USE WILL ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTING, MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE DEP AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
[03:20:03]
AND ALLOW FOR SOME OF THE RECHARGE...WHAT WE SAW, WHAT WE REPRESENTED IN OUR PACKET.
LIKE I SAID, THE EVOLUTION OF THE END PRODUCT, IF YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY, HAS BEEN A MATTER OF A LOT OF TECHNICAL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW...
WHEN ANY LAND OWNER STARTS TO REALLY CONCEIVE AN IDEA ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY AND YOU START DOING THE NAPKIN METHOD WHICH IS HOW WENTED UP WITH STATE ROAD, THE 95 INTERCHANGE.
THE CODE SAYS I CAN DO X PERCENTAGE.
YOU GO TO THE MOST COMPENCIVE PLAN ALLOWANCE.
THAT IS WHAT STAFF IS GOING TO DO.
WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT, LOOK, THIS COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND THIS RES, THIS...
YOU KNOW, THE REZONING, THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS TO GO BUILD.
WE HAVE GONE BACK TO HIM AND SAID HERE IS THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT INTO PLACE.
BECAUSE HIS VISION AND HIS MISSION...
AID I GO BACK TO THAT FIRST COUPLE OF SLIDES, IS HELP THE COUNTY.
THAT IS WHY YOU ARE SAYING LESS, NOT MORE.
WE ACTUALLY COULD DO MORE ON THIS PROPERTY.
>> JAMES LOOKS UP THE GRAPHICS.
HE SAYS THIS IS THE PLAN, THIS IS THE PLAN.
SO WE WERE PRESENTED ONE THING.
OTHER THINGS WERE PRESENTED TODAY.
NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME THIS IS DIFFERENT.
I'M TELLING YOU THAT UNTIL WE HAVE A FINAL ALLOWANCE, THE SITE PLAN DYNAMICS AND THE HORIZONTAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE SITE, WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PARTS THAT GO INTO ACTUALLY DOING A DEVELOPMENT, BRINGING SOMETHING BEFORE YOU TO APPROVE FOR PERMITTING PURPOSES, THIS IS THE INTENSE...
THIS IS THE STATED INTENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF HIS MONEY TO PUT TOGETHER THESE PIECES OF INFORMATION.
THAT IS WHY YOU ARE SEEING AN ACTUAL, MUCH HER RESTRICT TY PURVIEW OF THIS.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE GETTING CALLS.
THIS HIT THE NEWSPAPER A MONTH AGO OR WHATEVER.
THERE IS CALLS COMING IN FROM POTENTIAL OPERATORS.
RIGHT? HEY, IS THIS GOING TO HAPPEN? WHAT'S GOING ON? THIS IS THE KIND OF THING WE LOOK FOR.
>> TO CLOSE THIS UP, MR. CHAIR, SO WE CAN GO BACK TO THE AGENCY, I WOULD JUST SAY TO HERE TO CONSIDER THE TRANSMITTAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
THE ZONING ITSELF WAS HERE TO SHOW IT IS A REAL PROJECT.
WHETHER OR NOT IT CHANGES, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED WHEN IT COMES BACK.
WE WOULD ASK YOU TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SO THEY CAN CONSIDER THIS AND THE POLICY CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU TALK ABOUT IN A KOMPTSENCIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, IT CAN GO ON TO THE STATE AND REGIONAL AGENCY SO THEY CAN ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT OR THE MAJORITY DOESN'T LIKE IT, THEN WE WON'T ADOPT IT.
THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS FOR A COMPENCIVE PLAN EAVMENT I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS.
WE DON'T NEED TO GO BACK AND FORTH.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
YOU KNOW, WE MAY AGREE TO DISAGREE.
THE FACT IS THAT I THINK WE WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO GO ON SO THESE THINGS CAN BE ADDRESSED.
SO WE CAN COME BACK WITH A FINAL ZONING PIECE THAT SHOWS YOU THE EXACT KAMENT.
THE REAL INTENT ARE THE THINGS THAT I STATED.
THE OWNER'S INTENT ARE THE THINGS THAT I STATED.
WHAT THAT MEANS REINVIGORATING THOSE AREAS.
PROTECTING THE HEADWATERS OF MOULTRIE CREEK.
YES, I THINK THAT IS HIS INTENT WHATSOEVER.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN GO BACKWARDS, AS YOU KNOW.
AND THE INTENT OF GOING FORWARD IS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE SAID.
THAT CAN BE MORE FINALIZED WHEN WE GET TO ZONING.
WHICH YOU ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON TODAY.
WE WILL COME BACK WHEN THIS COMES BACK FOR ADOPTION.
MAYBE WE CAN ADDRESS MORE OF THE THINGS AND GET BETTER ANSWERS OR MORE ANSWERS FOR YOU BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME THAT COMES.
>> I KNOW YOU WANT THE CHAIR TO WRAP IT UP AND TO GO BACK INTO THE AGENCY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS YOUR PURVIEW, TO TELL THE CHAIR WHAT TO DO.
I REALLY WANT TO KNOW, ACTUALLY, IN YOUR TREE SURVEY, DID YOU KNOW THE COUNTY HAS DISALLOWED THAT SURVEY?
DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT?
>> I DON'T WANT TO INTO THAT TODAY.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT IS AN ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF WHAT HAPPENED.
>> WELL, I'M JUST READING WHAT'S IN FRONT OF ME TODAY.
THAT I SAW WHEN I WALKED IN HERE TODAY.
[03:25:04]
SO THE MEMO FOUND SEVERAL INCONSISTENCIES, INCLUDING THE USE OF WETLAND TREES, MYRTLE TREES.DUPLICATE TREE NUMBERS WITH DIFFERENT TREES ASSIGNED.
THEREFORE, THIS REQUIREMENT REMAINS UNSATISFIED.
>> TO BE CLEAR, THE STAFF REPORT AND THE TREE SURVEY, WHEN THEY GOT TO 18,000, THEY STOPPED.
THERE IS A LOT MORE TREES OUT THERE.
>> OH, I'M SURE THERE ARE A LOT.
AND AGAIN, IT IS ANOTHER CODE ISSUE THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GETTING...
>> I WAS TRYING TO INFORM YOU THAT YOUR TREE SURVEY HAS BEEN DISALLOWED.
>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT DISALLOWED OR CLEAR-CUT.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR COUNTY ATTORNEYS.
ON THAT ASPECT OF THE NUMBER OF TREES, IS THAT GROSS TREES? NET OR GROSS PER ACRE?
>> WHEN THEY DO THIS? I HAD TROUBLE.
YEAH, THERE ARE MORE TREES OUT THERE.
THERE ARE MORE TREES OUT THERE.
BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TREES REQUIRED, 80 INCHES DEVIATED PER ACRE.
IS THAT OVER THE ENTIRE PROPERTY? CLEAR WHICH HAVE CUT AREAS? GROWS OR NET?
I HAVE TO DEFER TO JAN BREWER FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW WHAT? WHILE SHE IS COMING UP, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A BIT STRIDENT EARLIER ABOUT THE CUTTING.
ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CREEK.
THE CLEAR-CUTTING DOWN TO THAT.
BUT FOR 20 MINUTES, I ASKED MERELY THAT WE SHOW AN AERIAL OF THAT.
FINALLY, THAT AERIAL WAS SHOWN.
AND IT SHOWED EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ASSERTING.
WE DIDN'T NEED TO QUIBBLE AND GO ARGUE OVER IT FOR 20 MINUTES IF MY REQUEST HAD BEEN ADDRESSED INITIALLY, AND WE PUT THAT AERIAL UP, SHOWING EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING.
YOU ARE GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH THE POINTER.
I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ROLE IN BEING TOO STRIDENT ABOUT THAT.
WHEN WE APPLY THE 80-TREE INCHES PER ACRE, WE CONDUCT THE WETLAND ACREAGE.
WETLANDS ARE REGULATED BY THE STATE AGENCIES.
WE APPLY PER ACRE OVER THE UPLANDS.
>> SO WHEN YOU DID THAT, WAS IT BASED ON THAT SINGLE CLEAR-CUT AREA? OR THE THREE CLEAR-CUT AREAS?
>> WHAT THEY PROVIDED US WITHIN THE TREE SURVEY.
THEY HAD THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF 214 ACRES.
I DEDUCTED THE 57 ACRES APPROXIMATELY OF WHAT THEY WERE PRESENTING AS WETLANDS.
THOSE WETLAND ACREAGES HAVE NOT BEEN VERIFIED BY THE STATE AGENCY YET.
THAT WOULD BE PRONE TO CHANGE.
THERE MAY BE MORE OR LESS ONCE THE STATE AGENCIES GET OUT THERE AND VERIFY THE JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS.
ONCE THAT IS DONE, THEN WE TAKE THAT UP WITH ACREAGE REMAINING.
WE APPLY THE 80 TREES PER ACRE.
>> THIS SURVEY WAS ONLY BASICALLY AROUND THAT CENTER CLEAR-CUT AREA.
>> THERE WERE SOME AREAS THAT INCLUDED SOME MAPS.
IT WAS AROUND THE CENTRAL AREA.
BUT THERE WAS SOME TO THE WEST AREA AS WELL.
NOT SOUTH AND NOT TO THE NORTHEAST.
>> I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS TO THE SOUTH AREA.
>> WHAT WE DID, BECAUSE WE DON'T TYPICALLY DO PRESERVATION SURVEYS THIS EARLY ON.
IT IS USUALLY PART OF THE SITE PLAN.
THIS WAS MORE BECAUSE OF THE CLEARING.
WE JUST WENT OUT AND I DIDN'T...
WE DIDN'T WANT TO SURVEIL AREAS WE KNEW WERE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE PRESERVATION.
THAT IS LIKE A WASTE OF THEIR MONEY.
BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED LATER ON.
SO WE STARTED IN THE AREA WHERE WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE PRESERVATION UPLANDS.
OKAY? THE POINTS THAT ARE SHOWN, THERE IS A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT ARE SHOWN IN THE WETLANDS.
THOSE TREES AREN'T ACTUALLY IN THE WETLANDS.
THIS IS A STAFFER THING BETWEEN US AND THEM.
THE ADDITIONAL POINTS ARE WE HAD CLUSTERS OF TREES.
>> WHEN YOU ARE PICKING UP TWO-INCH TREES...
WE DO CLUSTERS OF TWO-INCH TREES.
YOU WILL FIND A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM TOGETHER.
AND INSTEAD OF US HANGING A FLAG ON EACH OF THOSE TREES, WE WILL TAKE ONE POINT.
[03:30:06]
WE CALL IT A CLUSTER.WE WILL GIVE YOU WHAT THE SPECIES IS AND THE...
THERE IS EXTRA POINTS WHERE WE HAVE CLUSTERS.
WE ONLY PICKED UP TREES IN THE UPLANDS.
WE CAN CONTINUE ON AND DO THAT WHOLE TRIANGLE IN THE FRONT.
WE WERE TRYING TO GET TO THAT POINT TO SHOW THAT THEY MET THAT TOTAL NUMBER.
WE ARE NOT AT SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW.
THAT WAS THE REASONING FOR THE...
>> LET ME INTERRUPT YOU THERE.
>> THE PROBLEM IS THAT 4.0105 SAYS THERE SHOULD BE NO DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS GRANTED IF YOU HAVE VIOLATED THE 80%.
>> THAT IS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SHOW.
YOU KEEP SAYING YOU WORKED IT OUT LATER WITH STAFF.
THE QUESTION IS A VALID QUESTION.
>> MAY I ASK THIS QUESTION? AND THIS IS A COUNTY ATTORNEY MAY NEED TO WEIGH IN ON THIS.
MOULTRIE CREEK, SINCE IT IS DIRECTLY...
A STREAM OR CREEK DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THE RIVER, WHAT IS REQUIRED TO BUFFER THAT CREEK IS A 50-FOOT BUFFER.
THIS WAS POINTED OUT TO ME BY JEN LAMBACK.
YOU SHOW IN YOUR PLANS AS A 25-FOOT BUFFER.
WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE CREEK...
FOR MOULTRIE CREEK IS A 50-FOOT BUFFER FROM THE CREEK BECAUSE IT IS CONNECTED TO THE RIVER.
>> JAN, THIS SECTION IS NOT...
>> HOW WE APPLY THE TWO DIFFERENT BUFFERS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
WE HAVE A 50-FOOT UPLAND BUFFER AND A 25-FOOT UPLAND BUFFER WITH THE 25-FOOT BUILDING SETBACK.
THE 50-FOOT BUFFER GOES ALONG MOULTRIE CREEK UP TO THE POINTY YOU CAN SET A MEAN HIGH WATER LINE.
WITHIN THE BODY OF THE CREEK, YOU WOULD GO UP.
ONCE YOU HIT WHERE YOU CAN SET A MEAN HIGH WATER LINE, THAT IS WHERE THE BUFFER STOPS.
THEN CONTINUING UPSTREAM, YOU WOULD HAVE THE 25, 25.
SO BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY, IT MOST LIKELY WILL HAVE THE 25-25.
WHAT WE WOULD REQUEST FROM THEM IS TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE MEAN HIGH WATER LINE STOPS.
>> SO PROJECTS BEFORE, WE DID A 25-FOOT BUFFER.
ACTUALLY, THAT PROJECT WAS THE LINE.
HALFWAY THROUGH IT, WE DID A 50-FOOT BUFFER.
>> THAT IS WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME TO SHOW.
THAT NEW AERIAL PHOTO WITH HIGH RESOLUTION.
THAT THAT 25-FOOT BUFFER OR 50-FOOT BUFFER BUT CERTAINLY THE 25 IS NOT POSSIBLE ANYMORE ON THE EAST SIDE OF MOULTRIE CREEK.
BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN CLEAR-CUT.
>> THAT IS A 50-YEAR RESTORATION EFFORT.
>> IT WAS A MATURE FLOOD PLANE FOREST ALONG THERE.
FOR A HOLDING POND, FOR A HOLDING POND, THAT IS PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUILT INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THESE ARE HOLDING RETENTION PONDS.
DO THOSE ALSO REQUIRE A BUFFER? THAT AREA BETWEEN THERE AND THE CREEK?
I WOULD DEFER TO MANAGEMENT OR MS. BREWER.
>> THE COUNTY CODE DOES ALLOW FOR A STORMWATER POND TO BE CONSTRUCTED ADJACENT TO A WETLAND SYSTEM.
AND IF YOU THEN GO INTO THE UPLAND BUFFER, THAT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO THAT WETLAND SYSTEM, WITH GRADING OF YOUR STORMWATER POND, YOU DO HAVE TO RESTORE THAT AREA OF THE POND WITH NATIVE VEGETATION.
THE CODE DOES ALLOW PONDS TO COME UP CLOSE TO IT.
BECAUSE PONDS NEED A POP-OFF POINT.
SO WE DO HAVE A PROVISION FOR THAT.
>> AND THE STATE AGENCY ALSO REQUIRES THE BUFFER IN BETWEEN THE WETLAND AND THE POND.
THEY REQUIRE THE 25-FOOT BUFFER.
NOW, YOU CAN MITIGATE FOR IT IF YOU HAVE TO COME CLOSER.
YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT.
[03:35:01]
EVEN WITH STORMWATER PONDS OR FLOOD PONDS, HOVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.>> I GUESS I'M GOING TO STOP QUESTIONING.
WELL, IT IS SUPERFLUOUS AT THIS POINT FOR ME TO CONTINUE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU ALL HAVE SOME ANSWERS FROM WHAT I ASKED EARLIER?
THE DEERWOOD ACRES AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ONE-ACRE AND ONE AND A HALF-ACRE LOTS IN THERE.
THE MORGAN'S COVE IS 360-SQUARE-FOOT LOTS.
>> KEEP IN MIND, THOSE ARE THE LOTS WITHIN THE PUD'S.
THOSE ARE PUD'S THAT HAVE OPEN SPACE.
>> IF I MAY, JUST BRING UP ONE POINT.
THERE HAS BEEN A LOT TALKED ABOUT SITE PLANS TODAY.
THOSE ARE NOT ADOPTED WITH THAT AMENDMENT.
THE TEXT AMENDMENT WILL BE ADOPTED IN THE EVENT THAT GETS APPROVED.
THE SITE PLAN WOULD NOT BE APPROVED.
THEN ALSO IN THE EVENT THAT THE REZONING GOES FORWARD, AND IS APPROVED AS WELL, THAT SITE PLAN IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED WITH REZONING.
THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT SITE PLANS AND WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE.
THOSE ARE NOT UNTIL THEY GET ADOPTED.
>> MR. CHAIR, THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN WHICH HAS TO BE SUBMITTED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REQUEST.
THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN.
WE INTEND TO MEET ALL OF THE CODES.
IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY FOUND ON ONE OF THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLANS, WE HAVE TO MEET.
THAT WHEN WE SUBMIT A SITE PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS RIGHTS THAT WERE ALLOWED TO BE DONE UNDER AN AG PLAN APPROVED BY THE STATE ON THE PROPERTY NOW.
IF IT IS REZONED AND HAS A NEW COMP PLAN DESIGNATION, THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CANNOT BE DONE ON THE SITE, AND REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE EXPERTS THAT HAVE TESTIFIED, I THINK WHAT MATT WAS GOING TO SAY, WAS THE FACT THAT THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN THAT THEY DREW UP.
WE INTEND TO MEET ALL REQUIRED THE REQUIRED CODE EVALUATION AND STAFF COMMENTS.
THAT WE FULLY BELIEVE WE MEET THE 80-INCH-BREAK FOR TREES.
TO BE ABLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
THAT IS WHY WE HAD THEM DO THE STUDY.
THERE IS A NUMBER OF TREES OUT THERE.
THANK YOU FOR THE CONSIDERATION.
I WOULD ASK THAT WE HAVE A MOTION FIRST AND A SECOND.
>> EVERYBODY ALWAYS LOOKS AT ME.
>> YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO THANK THE NEIGHBORS.
IT IS NICE TO SEE A NEIGHBORHOOD COME TOGETHER.
I KNOW YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT BEING BETWEEN 95 AND AN INDUSTRIAL.
BUT WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO SEND IT ON AND LET THE STATE TAKE OVER.
THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
BY NO MEANS AM I SAYING I'M FOR OR AGAINST IT.
I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THIS.
AND WE ARE DESPERATELY IN NEED OF INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY.
WE DO ONLY DEPEND ON TOURISM, UNFORTUNATELY.
WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT OTHER EMPLOYMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE TRANSMISSION.
I SAID, WELL, IT MAY NOT EVEN GET A SECOND.
>> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL.
I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION.
I WANT TO READ SOME THINGS FROM THE STAFF REPORT.
STAFF IS UNCLEAR AS TO THE TYPE AND NUMBER OF TRUCKS AND THE DECIMATION OF THE
[03:40:15]
ROUTES TO BE USED.THE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT TRUCK TRAFFIC USING TWO-LANE COUNTY ROADS.
COUNTY ROAD 214, HOLMES BOULEVARD, FOUR MILE ROAD AND INTERSECTIONS COUNTY ROAD 214 AND HOLMES BOULEVARD.
I'M GOING TO ADD ET CETERA THERE.
SINCE THERE IS NOT A DIRECT CONNECTION TO I-95 OR ANOTHER MAJOR ARTERIAL...
THAT IS A CONCERN OF THE TRANSPORTATION STAFF.
THEY CAME UP WITH 2,320 TRIPS.
GIVEN THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL LAND USES.
IT IS ADJACENT TO THE MOULTRIE CREEK CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.
THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS ALONG THE EASTERN SUBJECT OF THE PROPERTY.
THE COUNTY SHALL DESIGNATE FUTURE LAND USE BASED UPON ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS AND CONSTRAINTS.
INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO VEGETATION, TOPOGRAPHY.
THIS MENTION SOIL TYPES ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS ALSO A WELL FIELD NORTHWEST, A COUNTY WELL FIELD NORTHWEST OF THIS PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE RECHARGE AREAS ARE.
I WAS LOOKING UP SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.
SURFACE WATERS AND DRAINBLING ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
ANY CLEARING OF LAND FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES REQUIRES A REVIEW BY ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF.
STAFF HAS NO RECORD OF SUCH A REVIEW BEING CONDUCTED FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL B.
IT GOES ON ABOUT WILDLIFE CROSSINGS.
IT ENDS UP ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF ALSO HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING LAND-CLEARING THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE.
LASTLY, THE PROVIDED CONCEPTUAL PLAN DEPICTS...
STATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE AREA THAT IS PRIMARILY RURAL IN CHARACTER WITH RESIDENTIAL-AGRICULTURAL USES LOCATED MOSTLY TO THE WEST, NORTH, AND WEST.
LY ADD EAST OF THE CONSERVATION.
THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION, THAT HAS TO DO WITH INDIAN HEAD.
THAT IS COMING UP IN THE NEXT ONE.
AFTER THE STAFF HAS CONCERNS THAT THIS COULD RESULT IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY SHALL BE COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING LAND USE.
MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENTS.
GIVEN PROPOSED USES, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY'S LOCATION, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY FOR SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL USES AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE NO SIMILAR TYPE LAND USES LOCATED ALONG THIS SECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 214 THAT ALLOW FOR THIS TYPE OF HIGH-INTENSITY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE AS PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
IT HAS TO DO WITH COMPATIBILITY.
IT SAYS THE COMPATIBILITY OF LAND USES IS DEPENDENT ON NUMEROUS CHARACTERISTICS WHICH MAY IMPACT ADJACENT SURROUNDS USES.
THESE INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO TYPE OF USE, DENSITY, INTENSITY, HEIGHT, GENERAL SMOKE, DUST, VIBRATION, TRAFFIC GENERATION.
SANITATION, LITTER, DRAINAGE, FIRE RISK, AIR QUALITY, VEGETATION, TOPOGRAPHY.
AND MAINTENANCE OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABILITY.
IN MY OPINION, GIVEN THAT THE STAFF, WHEN THE STAFF IS COMING OUT STRONGLY IN TERMS OF...
IN MY OPINION, COMING OUT STRONGLY IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, AND ROAD MANAGEMENT COMBATTABILITY ISSUES THAT IS NO VOTE FOR ME.
WELL, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, AND THEN I THINK WE WILL BE RED FY FOR A VOTE.
>> I VOTED FOR THE WAREHOUSING DOWN IN KELL KTON.
IT WAS LOCATED ON A STREET LIKE 214.
EXCEPT FOR IT WASN'T A TWO-WHEN A ROAD.
[03:45:01]
IT HAD A PRETTY NICE CLEAR SHOT TO I-95 NOT GOING THROUGH HOUSES.I THINK THE WHOLE PREMISE OF THIS PROPOSAL IS GOOD.
THE COUNTY DOES NEED MORE OF THIS.
I AGREE THAT THIS TYPE OF USE IS NEEDED.
BUT I MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN PAST THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE OF INDUSTRIAL NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT WHAT I CAN'T GET PAST IS THE COMPENCIVE PLAN REQUIREMENT THAT COMPATIBILITY ALSO INVOLVES THE TRAFFIC.
AND WE ARE TAKING TRAFFIC 2 3RBGS00 TRIPS A DAY.
DEPENDING UPON WHICH PIECE OF INFORMATION YOU MAY LOOK AT TODAY, AND WE ARE PUTTING MOSTLY HEAVY TRUCKS OUT THERE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
KING STREET ON 214 IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
NOT AS MUCH RESIDENTIAL AREA ALONG THAT...
THE CORRIDOR THERE THAT IS HOLMES.
AUGUSTINE IS TALKING ABOUT DOING AN A MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THERE.
I KNOW WE WERE PRESENTED WITH SOME NUMBERS.
WE COULD DO 400 LOTS AND THAT IS 4,000 TRIPS A DAY.
WELL, YOU CAN'T GET 400 LOTS THERE ON THE CURRENT ZONING.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A PUD.
THERE IS NO GUARANTEE YOU WOULD GET THE PUD.
SO THE CURRENT USE PROBABLY WOULD RESULT IN ABOUT 110 OR 120 LOTS BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE DEVELOPING SUBDIVISIONS WITH A ONE-ACRE LOT.
A ONE-ACRE LOT HAS TO BE 100 FEET WIDE.
IT ISN'T ONE UNIT TO THE ACRE THAT IS ALLOWED.
GIVEN THE NUMBER OF USABLE ACRES ON THE SITE, WHICH IS 157, I FIGURE YOU WILL GET 110-120 LOTS.
THAT IS STILL MORE THAN 1,200 DAILY TRIPS.
I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS, UNFORTUNATELY.
I DON'T AGREE WITH JUST ASKING...
SENDING SOMETHING ALONG TO HAVE IT COME BACK TO U LATER TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A LONG PROJECT.
I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THERE IS HUGE HURDLES THEY HAVE TO JUMP OVER.
THIS WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD OUT HERE.
I'M WILLING TO SEND IT ON AND SEE IFS WILL I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN GET THIS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
I DON'T MIND GIVING THEM A SHOT AT IT.
>> I MOVE THAT WE DENY THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND...
MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE TRANSMITTAL OF THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2022.05 BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL.
THAT MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
RICHARD, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
I SAID THIS LAST YEAR AT SOME TIM BEFORE.
IN TERMS OF TRANSMITTAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS TO THE STATE, THERE WAS A VERY SCHOLARLY AUTHORITATIVE ARTICLE BY BOB RHODES.
HE WAS ONE OF THE FATHERS OF ROAD MANAGEMENT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA ALONG WITH JOHN GROAVMENT I KNOW BOB RHODES.
HE WAS THE GENERAL COUNSEL FOR WALT DISNEY CORPORATION.
THEY WERE DEVELOPING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF ACRES PRIMARILY IN THE PANHANDLE.
HE WROTE AN ARTICLE ON COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS, REVIEWS, AND EVOLUTION, THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ODYSSEY IN FLORIDA.
HE BASICALLY STATED THAT TRANSMITTAL OF COMPENCIVE PLANS TO THE STATE IN TERMS OF THOUSANDS OF THEM THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, ONLY FOUR HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED BY THE STATE.
I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THIS YOURSELVES.
USUALLY, WHAT DO WE GET BACK AFTER A TRANSMITTAL? ZERO COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE AGENCIES THAT TRANSMIT THOSE.
THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE WAY IT HAS BEEN SINCE, OH, MAYBE 2011 OR 2012 OR SO.
JUST NO COMMENTS COME BACK OF ANY SUBSTANCE, CHALLENGING ANYTHING.
I DON'T SEE THE POINT IN TRANSMITTING IT FOR A REVIEW LIKE THAT.
THAT IS NOT MY OPINION, PARTICULARLY.
S IF THAT OF BOB RHODES WHO WROTE A VERY GOOD ARTICLE.
I'LL BE GLAD TO PROVIDE THAT TO ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE IT.
WE HAVE HAD A MOTION FOR DENIAL WHICH DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
ANY MOTIONS TO BE MADE AT THIS POINT?
>> MR. MATOVINA, ACCORDING TO AGENCY POLICY, THERE IS A MOTION THAT FAILED AND NO SUBSEQUENT MOTION AND THE APPLICATION IS DEEMED DENIED.
SO DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION AT THIS POINT?
SEEING NONE, THAT MOVES US ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA.
WHICH I ASSUME AT THIS POINTST, THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS WE WILL NOT TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER TWO.
I MEAN, THERE ISES NO NEED TO, IN MY OPINION, TO VOTE ON THE NEXT ITEM.
>> CHRISTINE, DO WE WANT A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT?
>> WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO TAKE IT UP RIGHT NOW ANYWAY.
THE APPLICANT DIDN'T EXPECT YOU TO EITHER.
WE ARE GOING TO TABLE THE MOTION NUMBER TWO.
THE APPLICANT WILL MOVE ON TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR IT?
[03:50:03]
WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO TABLE IT.WE ARE JUST NOT GOING TO HEAR IT.
>> WE ARE GOING TO MOST LIKELY HEAR IT ANYWAY, HENRY.
BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE VOTED ON BACK FOR ADOPTION.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS NOTHING WE NEED TO DO.
>> THE APPLICANT WAS TRYING TO PROVIDE US WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BY PROVIDING THE ZONING PACKET.
[03:55:12]
SO JUST SO THAT THE AUDIENCE UNDERSTANDS, THIS IS AN ADVISORY BOARD.WHICH MEANS BY VIRTUE, NO MOTION.
OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BECOMES A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
THAT IS ONLY A RECOMMENDATION.
THEY STILL GET TO VOTE, AND WHOEVER GETS THREE VOTES, THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE BOARD LEVEL.
SO MOVING ON TO STAFF REPORTS.
NOTHING? REPORTS FROM THE AGENCY? WE STAND ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.