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WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 15TH, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE HAVE A NICE, FULL AUDITORIUM, IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE SUCH A LARGE TURNOUT. IT STARTING WITH
ROLL CALL. >> CHAIR COMMISSIONER DEAN?
>> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER SARAH ARNOLD?
>> PRESENT. VICE CHAIR WHITHURST?
>> HERE. >> WE'RE GOING TO START THIS MORNING WITH SOMETHING I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT. YOU KNOW, OUR RIGHT TO VOTE AND OUR ELECTION PROCESS IS REALLY THE BEDROCK OF DEMOCRACY IN THIS COUNTRY WHICH IS SORT OF WHAT WE STAND FOR AND STAND WITH. AND SO, WITH THAT SAID WE'RE GOING TO START THIS MORNING WITH THE CEREMONIAL SITTING IN OF A SITTING COMMISSIONER WHO RAN FOR AN ELECTION. WE'RE VERY, VERY, HAPPY TO WELCOME A NEW COMMISSIONERMENT WE HAD A GLITCH IN THE ELECTION LAW WE FOUND OUT YESTERDAY, SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE SWORN IN UNTIL TUESDAY, BUT, WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE HER. WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, SWEARING IN, KIDS NEED TO GET TO SCHOOL. AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW THAT, WITH, AND I'LL FOLLOW THAT WITH OUR COMMISSIONER ELECT KRISTA
JOSEPH. >> MY FRIEND COMMISSION, WELL, HE'S MUCH HIGH OTHER THAN A COMMISSION E HE'S A JUDGE. MY FRIEND JUDGE ARNOLD, WILL DO THE HONORS. GOOD MORNING, JUDGE.
>> GOOD MORNING, TO YOU. >> SIR, IF YOU WOULD PLACE YOUR LEFT-HAND ON THE BIBLE AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT-HAND. PLEASE REPEAT
AFTER ME, I, STATE YOUR NAME. >> I SARAH ARNOLD.
>> DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR. >> THAT I WILL SUPPORT, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF GOVERNMENT IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THAT I DO QUALIFY TO HOLD OFFICE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE. AND THAT I WILL WELL AND THANKFULLY PERFORM THE DUTIES OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER. WHICH I AM NOW ABOUT TO ENTER, SO HELP ME GOD.
(APPLAUSE) >> IF WE COULD GET A QUICK PICTURE. NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THE COMMISSIONER ELECT, KRISTA JOSEPH. KRISTA, IF YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US UP HERE, WE'LL GET YOU SWORN IN.
. >> GOOD MORNING, I'M MAYOR ELLEN GLASSER FROM THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, IT'S WONDERFUL TO BE HERE TODAY. WE'LL HAVE A SPECIAL VISITOR, OUTSIDE IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, THAT'S THE STATION DOG FOR C-4. AS YOU KNOW, KRISTA IS A GOLD STAR MOTHER AND WE'RE VERY BLESSED TO HAVE THAT ANIMAL HELPING TO KEEP YOUR COMMUNITY SAFE IN ATLANTIC
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BEACH. LET'S GET THE PICTURE RIGHT.>> I, STATE YOUR NAME, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES. AND OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT I AM DUALLY QUALIFIED TO HOLD OFFICE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE. THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY PERFORM THE DUTIES OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER ON WHICH I AM NOW ABOUT TO ENTER. SO HELP
>> IS IT ALL RIGHT. OKAY, AND NOW WE'LL PROCEED WITH YOUR REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING AND WE ALWAYS START WITH AN INVOCATION AND PLEDGE. I'LL CALL ON PASTOR MATT MCGOFFREY TO GIVE THE INVOCATION. AND WE'LL HAVE THE PLEDGE LEAD BY.
EVERYBODY, STAND PLEASE. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND SPEAK AND TO PRAY AND JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW AS WELL, WE'LL BE PRAYING FOR COMMI COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S FAMILY.
YOUR STEADFAST O-LORD EXTENDS TO THE HEAVENS. YOUR JUDGMENTS ARE LIKE THE GREAT DEEP, MAN AND BEAST YOU SAVE OH, LORD, HOW PRECIOUS IS YOUR STEADFAST LOVE, OH, GOD, THE CHILDREN OF MAN KIND TAKE REFUGE IN THE SHADOWS OF YOUR WINGS AND THEY FEAST ON THE ABUNDANCE OF YOUR HOUSE, FOR WITH YOU IS THE FOUNTAIN OF LIFE, IN YOUR LIGHT DO WE SEE LIGHT. LORD WE PRAY FOR THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW AND ASK THAT YOU WOULD GIVE ALL WISDOM TO OUR LEADERS AND WE ASK RIGHT NOW, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD BLESS OUR COUNTY, THE COMMISSIONERS, THIS COMMISSIONER AND ALL THAT'S AHEAD, WISDOM OVER THE AGENDA AND EVERY GOOD THING THAT COMES
FROM HIM. IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN. >>> GOOD MORNING, PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL."
[Proclamation Recognizing November 2022, as National American Indian Heritage Month]
>> THIS IS KIND OF A PERSONAL HONOR FOR ME TO RECOGNIZE NATIVE AMERICAN MONTH. FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, I'M FROM WEST TEXAS AND MY GRAND MOTHER WAS ONE HALF COMANCHE INDIAN. AND MY FATHER WAS 1 FOURTH. AND THAT MAKES ME, I THINK, IF I UNDERSTAND ANCESTRY.COM, 1/8TH. I'M PROUD TO STAND HERE AND INTRODUCE AS A FELLOW BERON. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE PHYLLIS AND RECOGNIZE
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NATIONAL AMERICAN INDIAN HERITAGE MONTH. PHYLLIS, COME UP HERE AND SHE'LL READ THE PROCLAMATION FIRST.>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS FLORIDA. WHEREAS NATIVE AMERICAN AWARENESS WEEK BEGAN IN 1976 AND THE RECOGNITION WAS EXPANDED BY CONGRESS AND APPROVED BY FORMER PRESIDENT GEORGE HW BUSH. AND WHEREAS THE HISTORY AND CULTURE OF OUR GREAT COUNTY AND NATION HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY INFLUENCED BY THE RICH TAPESTRY. AND WHEREAS THEIR CUSTOMS AND TRADITIONS ARE RESPECTED AND CELEBRATED AS PART OF A RICH LEGACY THROUGHOUT FLORIDA AND THE UNITED STATES. AND WHEREAS NATIVE AMERICANS STAND AMONG AMERICA'S MOST DISTINGUISHED AUTHORS, SCIENTISTS, AND POLITICAL LEADERS AND IN THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS THEY HAVE PROFOUNDLY STRENGTHENED THE LEGACY WE'LL LEAVE OUR CHILDREN. ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS THE FOSTERING OF 574 FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED AMERICAN INDIAN AND ALASKA NATIVE NATIONS IN OUR COUNTRY. THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST.
JOHNS COUNTY THAT NOVEMBER 2022 BE DESIGNATED AS NATIONAL AMERICAN INDIAN HERITAGE MONTH. PASSED AND ADOPTED BOY THE ST.
JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THIS 15TH DAY OF NOVEMBER 2022 SIGNED BRANDON J PATTY, CLERK OF COURT AND HENRY DEAN, CHAIRMAN.
>> THE PONTE VEDRA CHAPTER OF THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR ADOPTING THIS PROCLAMATION DECLARING NOVEMBER THE MONTH THAT WE CELEBRATE NATIONAL AMERICAN INDIAN HERITAGE MONTH. OUR CULTURE HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY INFLUENCED BY AMERICAN INDIANS AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. WE NEED TO HONOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS AND THEIR CULTURE WHILE WE EXPECTING THEIR TRIBAL SOVEREIGNTY AND UPHOLDING THE UNITED STATES SOLID TRUST AND TREATING THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TRIBAL NATION. THANK YOU, VERY MUCH.
>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. IT'S MY PLEASURE TODAY TO HAVE A
[Proclamation Recognizing November 14-20, 2022, as National Apprenticeship Week]
PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING NOVEMBER 14TH-20TH AS NATIONAL APPRENTICESHIP WEEK. IF DOREEN AND ANY APPRENTICES COULD COME TO THE FRONT OF THE AUDITORIUM? LORENA, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND READING THE PROCLAMATION INTO THE RECORD.>>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS NATIONAL APPRENTICESHIP WEEK IS CELEBRATING IT'S 8TH ANNIVERSARY OF RAISING AWARENESS OF THE VITAL ROLE REGISTERED APPRENTICESHIPS PROVIDE IN CREATING OPPORTUNITIES WHILE ALLOWING APPRENTICES TO EARN WHILE THEY LEARN AND PREPARING A PATHWAY TO GOOD, QUALITY JOBS AND WELL PAYING CAREERS IN ST.
JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA AND ACROSS THE NATION. TO DEVELOP AND TRAIN THEIR FUTURE WORKFORCE WHILE OFFERING CAREER SEEKERS AFFORDABLE PATHS TO SECURE HIGH PAYING JOBS. AND WHEREAS ST.
JOHNS COUNTY RECOGNIZES THE ROLE OF APPRENTICESHIP AND EXPANDING OPPORTUNITIES IN OUR WORKFORCE THAT ARE INCLUSIVE OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY UNDER SERVED. THUS PROVIDING A PATH FOR ALL QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS INCLUDING WOMEN, YOUTH, PEOPLE OF COLOR, RURAL COMMUNITIES, JUSTICE INVOLVED INDIVIDUALS, AND INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES TO BECOME APPRENTICESHIPS AND CONTRIBUTE TO AMERICA'S INDUSTRIES. AND WHEREAS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA RECOGNIZES THAT REGISTERED APPRENTICESHIP A PROVEN AND INDUSTRY-DRIVEN
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TRAINING MODEL CAN TRAIN OUR WORKFORCE AND BUILD A PIPELINE INTO GOOD, QUALITY JOBS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS OUR NATION'S PRESSING WORKFORCE CHALLENGES SUCH AS REBUILDING OUR COUNTRY'S INFRASTRUCTURE, ADDRESSING CRITICAL SUPPLY CHAIN DEMANDS, MODERNIZING OUR CYBER SECURITY RESPONSE. THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIM THE BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST.JOHNS COUNTY THAT NOVEMBER 20TH, 2022, THIS 15TH DAY OF NOVEMBER 2022. SIGNED BRANDON J PATTY CLERK OF COURT.
>> ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO PRESENT
YOU WITH THIS PROCLAMATION. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M DOREEN LUND WITH CAREER SOURCE AND I'M PARTNERED WITH THE BILL WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. HE HIMSELF WAS AN APPRENTICE AND I'M JOINED BY FLAGLER HEALTH AND THEY'RE THE FIRST HEALTH CARE APPRENTICESHIP IN FLORIDA AND THE SECOND ONLY OF IT'S KIND IN THE STATE. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COMMENT
AS WELL. >> JUST A QUICK WORD SAYING THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THE RECOGNITION, AND TO RECOGNIZE THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DEDICATED A YEAR TO LEARN HOW TO BECOME SURGICAL TECHNICIANS SO THEY WILL BE WORKING SIDE-BY-SIDE WITH THE SURGEONS IN THE OR AND VERY INTENSE TRAINING AND THEY'RE DOING WONDERFULLY. SO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
[Proclamation Recognizing November 16-18, 2022, as Entrepreneurship Week at the link]
>> SO, IT IS MY HONOR TO PRESENT THE PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING NOVEMBER 16TH-18TH AS ENTREPRENEURSHIP WEEK IN ST.
JOHNS. IS ANYBODY FROM THE LINK HERE?
>> PLEASE JOIN ME ON THE FLOOR. >> PLEASE READ THE PROCLAMATION
INTO THE RECORD. WELCOME. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.
>> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST.
JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, WHEREAS IN NOVEMBER OF 2021, RAGU, AND DUPRETE MISRAH. WHEREAS THE FOUNDATION CHOSE NOVEMBER 16TH-18TH TO HOST THE CIRCLE SUMMIT. AND WOMEN'S ENTREPRENEURSHIP DAY ON NOVEMBER 19TH. WHEREAS ENTER CIRCLE WILL BRING TOGETHER ENTREPRENEURS AND SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS TO IGNITE CREATIVITY AND SPARK IDEAS FOR THE NEXT GREAT BUSINESS VEN TOUR, AND WHEREAS THE FOUNDATION CONTINUES TO GROW THE CIRCLE SUMMIT AT THE LINK FOR YEARS TO COME. THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THAT NOVEMBER 16TH-THE 18TH BE DESIGNATED AS THE ENTREPRENEURSHIP WEEK AT THE LINK. PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA THIS 15TH DAY OF NOVEMBER 2022. SIGNED BRANDON J PATTY CLERK OF
COURT. >> I FIND MYSELF IN AWE OF THE ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT THAT I SEE DAILY IN LIFE. THE GUT THAT IS IT TAKE TOSS MAKE THE FINANCIAL RISKS, AND THE PERSEVERANCE IT TAKES TO SEE IT TO THE END. ENTREPRENEUR HAVE THE FORESIGHT TO SEE A REALITY THAT DOESN'T YET EXIST. AND IF
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OPPORTUNITY DOESN'T KNOCK WE BUILD THE DOOR. ON BEHALF OF THE ST. JOHNS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IT IS MY HONOR TO PRESENT TO YOU, THIS PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZES THE 16TH-THE 18TH OF NOVEMBER AS ENTREPRENEURSHIP WEEK.>> HONORABLE COMMISSIONERS, RESPECTED ADMINISTRATORS AND FELLOW CITIZENS. GLOBAL ENTREPRENEURSHIP WEEK IS CELEBRATED IN THE SECOND WEEK OF NOVEMBER EVERY YEAR. THIS WEEK, GLOBAL ENTREPRENEURSHIP DAY IS ON NOVEMBER 15TH. AND GLOBAL WOMEN ENTREPRENEURSHIP DAY IS ON NOVEMBER 19TH. AND TO CIRCLE 2022, A THREE-DAY SUMMIT, OUR SECOND ANNUAL SUMMIT WAS CREATED FOR THIS SAME PURPOSE, TO CELEBRATE AND ENCOURAGE A CONVERSATION AMONG ENTREPRENEURS. WE ARE KICKING OFF END OF CIRCLE, 2022 ON NOVEMBER 16TH WITH YOU TODAY.
WE WILL HAVE A ROUND TABLE DISCUSSION WITH STUDENTS FROM DIFFERENT LOCAL UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES FOLLOWED BY WORKSHOPS ON BUSINESS SKILLS AND DESIGN THINKING. DAY TWO IS CENTERED AROUND SMALL BUSINESSES AND STARTUP, WE HAVE AN IMPRESSIVE PANEL WITH KEY NOTES. WE ARE ABLE TO BUS 125 HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS ON THIS DAY, THANKS TO LOCAL CHAPTER BUS SERVICE SO THEY CAN LEARN FIRST-HAND FROM THE SEASONED SPEAKERS. SIX TEAMS FROM HIGH SCHOOLS ARE COMING FOR THE PITCH COMPETITION. DAY THREE, WE CELEBRATE WOMEN'S ENTREPRENEURSHIP DAY WITH PANEL DISCUSSIONS ARE VARIOUS TOPICS, WOMEN IN POLITICS, WOMEN IN SPORTS, WOMEN IN CONSTRUCTION ARCHITECTURE, AND ENGINEERING. WOMEN ENTREPRENEURS. WE HAVE TWO KEY NOTE SPEAKERS AND VIP NETWORKING EVENT FOLLOWING THAT.
THIS YEAR, THE TEHEME IS RESILIENCE LEADERSHIP. IT TOOK SPECIAL SKILLS AND RESILIENCY. AND IN CONCLUSION, WE HAVE NOT LEFT ANYBODY BEHIND AND OUR EFFORT IS TO MAKE IT INCLUSIVE WITH YOUTH, SMALL BUSINESSES AND WOMEN IN BUSINESS UNDER ONE SUMMIT. I DON'T THINK THIS HAS HAPPENED IN THIS REGION, AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT. PLEASE GO TO WWW.ENTERCIRCLE.ZONE. AND TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY 2022. THANK YOU.
[Acceptance of Proclamations]
>>> IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATIONS?
[Public Safety Update]
>> SO MOVED. >> IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY
(CHORUS OF AYES) >> THAT PASSES. OKAY. NOW WE'RE READY TO MOVE INTO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE. I THINK THAT I SEE COMMANDER BEAVER HERE.
>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THESE STORMS THAT WE'VE HAD THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSION FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT TO PUBLIC SERVICE. MR. CONRAD TO YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR TEAM. ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS TRULY LUCKY TO HAVE THE LEADERSHIP AND THE FIRST RESPONDERS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COUNTY. I DON'T WANT TO BORE YOU WITH A LOT OF STATS, BUT, JUST FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF STORMS AND THE COLD, FOR A THREE-DAY PERIOD WE RAN A LITTLE OVER 2300 CALLS FOR SERVICE.
STAMPED CALLS FOR SERVICE DURING THOSE TIMES. OUR COMCENTER ANSWERED 884, 9-1-1 CALLS. FOR A ADMINISTRATIVE, OVER 3,800.
SO, JUST A LITTLE SOUTH OF 4800 CALLS INTO THE COM-CENTER AND EACH CALL LASTS 109 SECONDS. THAT WAS FOR NICOLE AND JUST
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SOME QUICK STATS ABOUT OUR LAST HURRICANE, UM, IAN IT WAS ABOUT 2600 CALLS. 919, 911 CALLS, 3300 FOR A LITTLE OVER 4300 TOTAL CALLS. THAT'S A LOT A LIFT IN OUR COMCENTER. AND THAT'S NOT COUNTING EVERYTHING IT THAT OUR EFFS DO. YOU'RE LOOKING AT 150 TO 160 SHERIFF'S OFFICE PERSONNEL EVERY 12-HOUR SHIFT THAT IT TAKE TOSS OPERATE AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE SAFE. US ALONG WITH FIRE RESCUE WORK HAND IN HAND AND WE HAVE OUR LEADERSHIP THAT WORKS WITH THE SAME INCIDENT MANAGEMENT TEAM, OUR INCIDENT COMMAND IS TOGETHER SO THAT WE'RE SURE NOT TO DUPLICATE EFFORTS AND EVERYTHING'S RUNNING SMOOTH AND WE THANK YOU AND MR. CONRAD AND HIS STAFF FOR THE SUPPORT TO BE SURE THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE SAFE. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.(INAUDIBLE) >> WE'RE THERE TO PROVIDE PROTECTION AND SAFETY UNTIL DOT, WHO DID A MAGNIFICENT JOB GETTING THAT REPAIR DOWN IN RECORD TIME. YOU ALL DID A GREAT JOB AND WE COULD HAVE HAD SOME SERIOUS ACCIDENTS.
>> I AGREE. THE CALLS FOR SERVICE RANGED FROM A DOWNED POWER LINE TO TREES DOWN AND UNFORTUNATELY, DOMESTICS. WE HAD PEOPLE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO WERE LESS FORTUNATE AND HAD DAMAGE TO THEIR HOMES BUT WE INCREASED OUR PATROLS IN THOSE AREAS AND WE WERE SURE THAT THOSE GUYS AND GALLS WHO TRIED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE WERE DEALT WITH. WE DON'T TOLERATE THAT TYPE OF STUFF. SHERIFF, THANK YOU.
>> GOOD MORNING, CHIEF. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP ABOUT NICOLE, BECAUSE IT WAS QUITE THE WEEK THAT WE HAD LAST WEEK. I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO SAY, UM, WHAT A FANTASTIC JOB OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DOES IN LEADING US THROUGH THESE EVENTS. PMR. CON KNOW HOW MANY DAYS, I THINK THREE OR FOUR, AND THE STAFF AT EOC, I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC GETS TO SEE WHAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES, I KNOW YOU GUYS SEE THAT BUT IT'S A TREMENDOUS EFFORT BOY EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COUNTY TO STAFF THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS GOES WELL FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THINGS THAT FIRE RESCUE DID. WE SET UP A RESCUE TEAM WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT EARLY ON TO DEVELOP AN ACTION PLAN TO KEEP US SAFE.
DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE STORM, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN THURSDAY, WE RESPONDED TO 238 CALLS FOR SERVICE JUST FROM FIRE RESCUE DURING THE HEIGHT OF THAT STORM. THOSE INCLUDED 2 ONE STORM-RELATED RESCUES OR HIGH WATER RESCUES. THE MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS WERE OUT IN THE STORM RESCUING PEOPLE AND I WANT TO SAY A BIG THANK YOU FOR THEM. THANK YOU.
(APPLAUSE) >> BRANDON PATTY OUR CLERK OF
COURT. >> I WANT TO CONGRATULATIONS COMMISSIONERS ARNOLD AND JOSEPH, I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. OUR REPORT TODAY IS ON VETERANS AND THE SERVICES THAT WE OFFER, IN HONOR OF THE 21,000 VETERANS AND FAMILIES THAT CALL ST. JOHNS HOME. WE ARE WAIVING FEES FOR VETERANS AND DEPENDENTS TO THE END OF THE MONTH. IN ADDITION, WE'RE CONTINUING TO ENCOURAGE THE RECORDING OF CERTIFICATE OF RELEASE OR DISCHARGE FROM ACTIVITY DUTY, ALSO KNOWN AS DD 214S FOR OFFICE. THE VETERAN'S STORIES CAN BE SHARED ANYTIME.
OUR UPDATED 2022 VIRTUAL EXHIBIT HIGH LIGHT ST. JOHNS RESIDENTS WHO SERVED ARE FROM THE SPANISH WARS TO WOWORLD WAR II. RETIRE
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COLONEL KEN RUSSELL PROVIDED FASCINATING PERSPECTIVE INTO OUR COUNTRY'S MILITARY. THEIR ENTER VIEW ARE FOUND ON OUR WEBSITE, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT, CHAIRMAN, PENDING ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.>>> THANK YOU. >> (INAUDIBLE) (INAUDIBLE)
[Deletions to Consent Agenda]
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? >> YES.
>> SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?
>> NONE MR. CHAIRMAN. >> COMMISSIONER WHITHURST?
>> I HAVE NON. >> AND I HAVE NONE.
>> WE WOULD LIKE TO DELETE 26 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> WE'LL MAKE THAT AS A MOTION AFTER WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA?
>> YES, MA'AM. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME'S DORRIS TAYLOR, 208, LABIA ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE. THERE ARE THREE ITEMS I REQUEST BEING REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA REASON BEING THIS COMMISSION RECENTLY FOUND THOUGHT IT APPROPRIATE TO ASK US TO TAX OURSELVES ADDITIONALLY. WE'RE HEARING FROM THIS COMMISSION THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. WHICH MEANS, I THINK, ANY ITEM THAT WILL RAISE OUR TAXES, CREATE A COMMISSION TO RAISE OUR TAXES, OR EXPEND MONEY THAT MAY NOT NEED TO BE EXPENDED SHOULD BE STRUCK FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. I BELIEVE WE NEED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO TIGHTEN OUR BELTS. ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ESSENTIAL SHOULD BE STRUCK FROM OUR SPENDING NOW. WE NEED DO THAT FAR BEFORE YOU TAX THE CITIZENS ADDITIONALLY. THEREFORE, ITEM, 26, 29, AND 32, I'M REQUESTING TO BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT
AGENDA. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA?
>> ED SLAVEN. I TOTALLY AGREE, I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD DELETE THE ENTIRE CONSENT AGENDA AND PUT IT ON A DIFFERENT CONSENT AGENDA BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS DONE TO KRISTA JOSEPH. WHERE WERE THE LAWYERS? WE HAVE 10 LAWYERS SITTING UP HERE, IT'S THEIR JOB TO KNOW THIS STUFF AS TO WHEN THE TERM STARTS. THANK GOT FOR VICKY OAKS FINDING THAT. BUT, I THINK ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OR REGULAR AGENDA OUGHT TO BE CONTINUED OR AT THE VERY LEAST IF YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD A PUBLIC COMMENT, DON'T TAKE A VOTE UNTIL THE NEXT HEARING WHERE COMMISSIONER KRISTA CAN VOTE, YOU DISENFRANCHISED HER. APPARENTLY THEY DON'T HAVE LEGAL MALPRACTICE INSURANCE, DO I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY. WE HAVE ATTORNEYS WORKING FOR ST. JOHNS WITHOUT LEGAL MALPRACTICE INSURANCE. WHAT IF SOMEBODY AFFECTED BY SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA TODAY WANTED TO SUE? WE DON'T HAVE LEGAL MALPRACTICE INSURANCE. WHICH THINK THAT THE COUNTY AUTO PAY FOR EVERY EMPLOYEE'S LEGAL MALPRACTICE INSURANCE. AND GOING FORWARD WE NEED A ROOT CAUSE ANALYSIS OF WHAT HAPPENED. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ITEM SIX REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA. THAT'S THE ITEM ABOUT TITLE SIX AND THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION AND CHAIRMAN, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT AND I HAVE TALKED WITH THE LADY WITH THE COUNTY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT RECORD.
UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT ON JUNE THE 15TH, IN A CASE CALLED BOSTIC VERSUS, OF THE TERM SEX OR SEX DISCRIMINATION INCLUDES SEXUAL ORIENTATION DISCRIMINATION AND THE DISCRIMINATION OF SEXUAL IDENTITY. THAT'S NOT IN OUR TITLE SIX PLAN SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IF Y'ALL WOULD PULL ITEM 6 OF THE AGENDA AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF WE COULD ADJOURN THIS MEETING AND COME BACK WHEN THE COMMISSIONER
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KRISTA JOSEPH CAN VOTE. THERE'S ALWAYS SOME POOR SOB THAT DOESN'T GET THE WORD. HE SAID THERE ARE THREE THINGS IN LIFE THAT ARE REAL, GOD, HUMAN FOLLY, AND LAUGHTER. AND THE FIRST TWO ARE INCOMPREHENSIBLE. BUT, WE DO WHAT WE CAN WITH THE THIRD.AND WE'RE LAUGHING AT THE FACT THAT OUR COUNTY CAN'T EVEN GET DEVELOPMENT ORDERS STRAIGHT. WE CAN'T EVEN TREAT DEVELOPERS WITH AN EVEN HAND. WE LET THEM MAKE SALES PITCHES TO THE COMMISSION AND OH, BY THE WAY, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN OUR TERMS START. I THINK WE REALLY NEED AN OUTSIDE LEGAL AUDIT. THANK YOU.
. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC
COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON
THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH,
WELCOME. >> HI. THANK YOU. I DO LIKE WHAT HE SAYS SOMETIMES. I JUST HAD TWO 29, 31 AND 32, JUST TWO COMMENTS, 29, I'M CURIOUS WHY WE WANT TO START A PARKS AND REC FOUNDATION. I THINK THAT WE HAD A MILLION DOLLAR DONATION FOR LIGHTS ON THE CORNERSTONE PARK, IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME THAT WE CAN RAISE MONEY ON OUR OWN. IF THEY WANT TO BE A FOUNDATION, THERE'S NO IRS 990S, THE SALARIES ARE ASKED TO BE FUND BY THE COUNTY.
WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE TO THE COUNTY TO HAVE THIS FOUNDATION? AND I'VE RAISED MONEY AT SCHOOL CHARITIES AND THINGS, I COULD RAISE ENOUGH MONEY, LIKE $120,000 ON MY OWN IN AN LLC LIKE THAT. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY WE NEED THIS AT ALL WHEN THEY SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR RAISING THEIR OWN MONEY. I DON'T EVEN HAVE A LIST OF DIRECTORS HERE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE RUSHING IT AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE AN AGENDA ITEM IN THE FUTURE, AND THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS, 31 AND 32 HAS TO DO WITH THE BEACHES AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE HURRICANES BACK-TO-BACK I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A LONG DISCUSSION GOING FORWARD, WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE BEACHES LOOK LIKE NOW, WE KNOW THERE'S A RENOURISHMENT COMING WHICH I'M THRILLED ABOUT. BUT, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF LOGISTICS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED AND IT WOULD BE A GREAT AGENDA ITEM IN
THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
>> IF I MAY, BECAUSE IT IS OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONER, BUT, I DO WANT TO COMMENT AND TRY TO ANSWER TWO QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE: THE FOUNDATION, THE PARKS AND REC FOUNDATION HAS BEEN AN ONGOING EFFORT TO CREATE THAT AND LOOK AT IT FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS, AND SO, THIS ISN'T SUDDEN. NUMBER TWO: THERE'S A HISTORY OF FOUNDATIONS CREATED ACROSS THE NATION FOR RECREATION AND PARK'S DEPARTMENTS FOR CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT DO A FANTASTIC JOB IN RAISING MONEY. THAT WAS A KEY FACTOR IN MY CONSIDERATION WHEN WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, I AGREED THAT WE AS A COUNTY WITH CITIZENS CAN PROBABLY RAISE MONEY. BUT, MY REVIEW OF THE BIDDING WHEN I SAW THE SUCCESS OF THE FOUNDATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY WERE ABLE TO RAISE FOR REC AND PARKS LED ME TO SUPPORT THAT, SO, I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. AND SECONDLY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRETTY FULL DISCUSSION AT THE END OF THE MEETING TODAY. IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED BEFORE NICOLE. SO, WE COULDN'T PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. BUT WE'LL HAVE A LENGTHTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR BEACHES AND WHERE WE GO FROM HERE BOTH FOR THE IMMEDIATE
[Approval of Consent Agenda]
FUTURE AND LONGER TERMED STRATEGIES, SO, THOSE HERE AT THE END OF THE MEETING, WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN OUR BEACHES. SO, WITH THAT SAID, IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON CONSENT? IS THERE A MOTION.>> I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT
WE STRIKE 26. >> WE HAVE A MOTION, IS THERE A
>> ALL IN FAVOR? WE CAN DO THE BUTTON NOW. LET'S USE THE
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BUTTON. PLEASE VOTE. >> ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. AND THE REGULAR AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA? COMMISSIONER
>> COMMISSIONER WHITHURST? >> NONE MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> AND I HAVE NONE. IS THERE A MOTION.
>> COMMISSIONER NOW WOULD BE A TIME TO ADD AN ITEM ON THE BEACH
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DISCUSSION IF YOU WANTED IT TO BE A FORMAL AGENDA ITEM. AND ALSO, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, COMMISSIONER, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT TWO ITEMS BEING REMOVED FROM THE REGULAR AGENDA, 12 AND 13 AND NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO TAKE THOSE ACTIONS.>> THE BEACH DISCUSSION IS FOR INFORMATION. NO ACTION, INFORMATION ONLY. BUT DO WE NEED IT TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM?
>> OR IT CAN COME UP IN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT.
>> THAT'S WHAT I ANTICIPATE. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REMINDED ME THAT I DID WANT TO WITH DRAW OR DELETE ITEMS 12 AND 13. 12 HAPPENS TO BE AN ITEM IN DISTRICT FOUR AND I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR NEW COMMISSIONER TO ADDRESS THAT ITEM AT THE NEXT MEETING, IT'S THE WHARF THAT'S BEEN THE SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS MAY BE YEARS, I RECOMMEND TO WITH DRAW ITEM 12 AND THE SAME WITH ITEM 13 WHICH IS THE LEGISLATIVE PLAN AND I WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSIONER TO BE A PARTICIPATE IN THIS DISCUSSION ALSO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SUBMIT TO LEGISLATION FOR THE COMING YEAR, NOT THE PAST YEAR. SO, WITH 12 AND 13 DELETED THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION ON THE APPROVAL OF THE REGULAR AGENDA. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? PUBLIC COMMENT? I CAN'T FOR GET IT.
>> ED SLAVEN. . YOU REALLY SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT REGULAR AGENDA ITEM 6. THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.
WAIVER OF TIME LIMITS, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH SHOULD BE ABLE TO VOTE ON THAT TOO. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO WAIT A YEAR AND THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A NEW PROPERTY OWNER. I WANT OBJECT TO ITEM ONE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA BEING HEARD TODAY. AND ITEM 14. ITEM 14 SHOULD BE DEETED FROM THE REGULAR AGENDA.
ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA SPECIAL REVENUE NOTE SERIES 2022 A AND AMENDMENT TO PURCHASE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTEROLA INK.
MAKING RADIOS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INCLUDING TWO FLORIDA FIRMS WERE NOT CONSIDERED FOR THAT CONTRACT.
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING $10,000 APIECE FOR TWO-WAY RADIOS. ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR COTTON PICKING MIND? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, IT'S AN INSALT -- INSULT TO OUR INTELLIGENCE.
MOTOROLA HAS A HISTORY USAGE, PRACTICE AND PROCEDURE AROUND THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD OF PAYING BRIBES AND ALSO OF CHARGING TOO MUCH TO GOVERNMENTS. I HAVE A COUPLE OF FRIENDS WHO WERE LAWYER IT IS WORKING FOR MOTOROLA YEARS AGO ON A PAGE OF DOCUMENTS, MILLIONS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS BECAUSE MOTOROLA OVER CHARGES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND MOTOROLA OVER CHARGES EVERY CUSTOMER THAT IT HAS. THIS OUGHT TO BE DELETED IN ENTIRETY, WITH A ROOT CAUSE ANALYSIS OF WHY THIS IS ON HERE. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU SENT ME THE OTHER DAY, THE RED FOLDER ITEM. RED FOLDER ITEMS ARE THE THINGS STUCK ON THE END OF A REGULAR AGENDA SO THAT THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THEM. THE FUNDAMENTAL PUBLIC POLICY IS COMPETITION, FREE MARKET COMPETITION. MOTOROLA DOES NOT DESERVE A NO-BID CONTRACT AND WE DO NOT NEED TO SPEND $15 MILLION. AND WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MONEY SET ASIDE PRIOR TO THIS CONTRACT WITH MOTOROLA TO MAINTENANCE. I WANT A FULL ACCOUNTING OF THAT, AND I WANT A REPORT FROM THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT Y'ALL TO INCLUDE ANYMORE NO-BID CONTRACTS. MY MOM WOULD SAY, SAVE YOUR MONEY. IT'S OUR MONEY T STOP WASTING IT, PLEASE. THANK YOU.
. >> I'LL TRY NOT TO BE QUITE AS AGGRESSIVE, BUT I DO REPRESENT COMMUNICATIONS.
>> MY NAME IS GUY STEVENS, 300. >> WE NOTICED IN THE PACKAGES
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PRESENTED TO YOU, THAT YOUR GROUP DID GO OUT AND GET BIDS FOR THE FINANCIAL PORTION OF THIS PROCUREMENT. BUT THEY NEVER GOT BIDS FOR THE RADIO PORTION. WE REPRESENT ONE OF THE LARGEST PUBLIC SAFETY PROVIDERS IN THE WORLD AND WE'RE THEIR LARGEST DEALER. THEY'RE EMPLOYING A LARGE, CONVERGED PUBLIC SAFETY SYSTEM IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. IN RUNNING SOME QUICK NUMBERS, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SHARE THEM WITH YOU, BUT I KNOW THERE'S NO TIME. YOU COULD SAVE ANYWHERE FROM 5 TO $6 MILLION AND GET THE SAME RADIOS WHICH WILL CURRENTLY BE USED BY EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRST RESPONDER THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND AS LONG AS YOU'RE CAREFUL YOU REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE RFP PROCESS, IT'S BEEN A PROVEN FACT THAT EVEN IF YOU DON'T GO WITH AN ALTERNATE VENDOR, YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE MONEY ON THE VENDOR THAT YOU ARE SELECTING.YOU NEED TO CONSIDER TAKING A LARD LOOK AT THAT AND YOU ALSO NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT YOU ARE NOT PROCURING OBSOLETE TECHNOLOGY OR PROPRIETARY TECHNOLOGY. THERE'S A TIDBIT OF PROPRIETARY TECHNOLOGY THAT LOCKS IT INTO A VENDOR. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO DELETE ITEM 14. IT'S UP TO YOU, OF COURSE, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, YOU AUTO THINK ABOUT TAKING IT THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS. THANK YOU.
. >> THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING ME IN THE AGENDA ITEMS IN THE FUTURE. ALSO, IF YOU HAVE A BEACH DISCUSSION, SINCE I'M DISTRICT FOUR AND THE BEACH'S IS PRETTY MUCH MY TERRITORY, PART OF IT, AND YOUR'S. I REALLY, IF THERE'S ANY DECISION MAKING OR DISCUSSION, I WOULD REALLY LIKE IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA SO THAT I COULD WEIGH IN, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. AND ALSO, MAYOR GLASSER WANTED TO INTRODUCE THE DOG, IF I COULD PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR RIGHT AFTER THIS VOTE AND THEN SHE'S GOING TO GO BACK TO THE OFFICE.
SORRY. THANK YOU. >> THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT.
>> MERRILL, GOOD MORNING. >> I'M MERRILL ROLLIC, 6200.
I'VE LIVED IN ST. JOHNS FOR 44 YEARS AND LIVED IN THE SAME HOUSE FOR 35 YEARS, I'VE ALWAYS PAID MY TAXES ON TIME. BUT THIS ITEM 14 SHOULD BE REMOVED FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN IT WAS NEVER PUT OUT FOR BID. AS PREVIOUS SPEAKERS TOLD YOU. ESPECIALLY BY THE MAN IN THE COMMUNICATIONS BUSINESS. I WAS THE ONLY PERSON IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO EVER, AS A SOUL PROPRIETOR OWN HE'S OWN TWO-WAY RADIO BUSINESS. I'M RETIRED NOW. I OWN MY OWN CELLULAR PHONE BUSINESS. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT USED TO PURCHASE FROM ME. I REPAIREDED AND INSTALLED TWO-WAY RADIOS AND PHONES IN THE CAR. SO, I'M ALSO A LICENSED HAND RADIO OPERATOR AND I HOLD A TECHNICIAN CLASS LICENSE FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS FROM THE FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT. THIS IS WRONG.
ITEM 14 NEED TO BE REMOVED AND PUT OUT TO BID. THIS COMPANY, MOTOROLA, THEY ARE RADIOS ARE MADE IN MALASIA AND MEXICO.
THEY'RE NOT MADE BY AMERICANS OR IN AMERICA. THERE ARE SIX OTHER COMPANIES THAT MAKE P-22 RADIOS. THAT'S THE TYPE OF TWO-WAY RADIOS THAT WE HAVE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. THERE ARE SIX OTHER COMPANIES THAT MAKE P-IT 22 RADIOS, HOW ABOUT GIVING THEM A BID. THAT'S NOT FAIR. TWO OF THOSE COMPANIES ARE NOT ONLY BASED IN AMERICA BUT BASED IN FLORIDA. THEY'RE BASED IN FLORIDA FOR AMERICANS WHO HAVE MORTGAGES ON THEIR HOMES, CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS, AND THEY PAY TAXES. WHY ARE WE EVEN CONSIDERING GIVING A $15 MILLION BID, IT'S NOT EVEN A BID, JUST GIVING AWAY $15 MILLION, WHERE'S THE JUSTIFICATION THAT WE NEED THEM? WHERE'S THE JUSTIFICATION, BECAUSE WE JUST BOUGHT RADIOS FROM MOTOROLA AND I HAD COME UP HERE AND SAID HOW ABOUT IF WE TELL MOTOROLA TO BUILD A FACTORY HERE INSTEAD OF MEXICO AND MALASIA. TABLE ITEM 14, PUT IT OUT FOR BID AND
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CONSIDER AMERICAN COMPANIES. MADE BY AMERICANS. USED BY AMERICANS. IT'S OUR MONEY. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.>> I'M MARISSA MONECELLO. I PERSONALLY HAVE GONE UP AGAINST MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS IN OTHER BIDS AND WON, AND I BELIEVE YOU GUYS CAN SAVE A LOT OF MONEY IF YOU WERE TO TABLE THIS.
>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA? LET ME MAKE A COMMENT REGARDING 14 AS WITH THE RADIOS. I THINK SO. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN INTERESTING PROCEDURAL ISSUE.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DON'T DELETE THE ITEM, IT'S ON FOR THAT DISCUSSION, I WANTED TO GIVE THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES, MOST OF WHAT WE'VE SAID WE LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING WHEN THE ITEM IS COMING BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO CERTAIN THINGS SUCH AS DIRECT THE STAFF TO GO OUT FOR COMPETITIVE BID, WE HAVE TO DO THAT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEM, WE CAN'T JUST DO IT HERE. SO, FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN ITEM 14, I RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE UP THE ITEM AND HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION AND WE CAN DECIDE THEN WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO AND HOW WE WANT TO
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PROCEED. SO, WITH THAT, I SUGGEST TO LEAVE IT ON THEREGULAR AGENDA. >> THE FOLKS THAT CAME UP AND SAID THAT THEY COULD SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO STICK AROUND FOR THAT AGENDA ITEM.
>> IS THERE A MOTION? >> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA
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WITH 12 AND 13 REMOVED. >> MOTION AND IS SECOND.
PLEASE VOTE. AND WE'LL PICK UP ITEM ONE AT THIS TIME. ITEM ONE. I'M SORRY, HOLD ON, LINDSAY, I HAVE TOO MANY MOVING PARTS. LET'S TAKE UP THE PRESENTATION.
>> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR, ELLEN GLASSER AND I'M REPRESENTING THE ATLANTIC BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING C-4 HERE TO SUPPORT COMMISSIONER ELECT KRISTA KEATING JOSEPH. SO, C-4 WAS SPONSORED BY THE KEATING FAMILY WITH CANINES FOR WARRIORS. AND HE WAS SENT TO ATLANTIC BEACH TO BE OUR STATION DOG WHERE HE HAS BEEN SERVING US FOR TWO YEARS.
SO, C-4 IS THE NICKNAME FOR CHARLES KEATING THE FOURTH, A NAVY S.E.A.L WHO LOST HIS LIFE IN IRAQ. SO, CHARLEY WAS A HERO, EVEN THOUGH HIS MOTHER WOULD HAVE WISHED THAT HE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, WHICH WAS PART OF ONE OF HER BOOKS, BUT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TELL YOU HOW PROUD WE ARE THAT OUR STATION DOG REPRESENTS PART OF GOVERNMENT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WITH KRISTA AND WE'RE VERY HONORED TO BE HERE TODAY. SO, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND WELCOME OUR
CHIEF VIC WALELO WITH C-4. >> (APPLAUSE) .
>> CHAIR DEAN: CAN WE GET A PICTURE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> CHAIR DEAN: THANK YOU, AND
THANKS FOR COMING. >> (APPLAUSE) .
>> . >> CHAIR DEAN: ALL RIGHT.
NOW WE'LL TAKE UP ITEM ONE. >> FOR THE RECORD, LINDSAY HAGA
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PLANNING MANAGER FOR EN LAND TIMES AND MILLER AND BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A BUSINESS ITEM OF SORTS SO THAT WE COULD SEEK A WAIVER TO THE REAPPLICATION AFTER A DENIAL OF A PUD, OUR CLIENT WHICH IS OLD LEWIS PARTNERS PURCHASED THE PROPERTY? JULY WHICH WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE PORTER PROPERTY PUD. THEY WERE THE CONTRACT PURCHASERS OF THE PROPERTY. NOW SINCE THEY OWN THE LAND THEY'RE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION TO PRESENT THE COMMUNITY AND THIS BOARD WITH A REVISED MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN SEEKING THAT MEETS THE DESIRES AND THE POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE COUNTY. WE ARE GIVEN GUIDANCE AND THOSE TWO ITEMS WOULD BE TO PREVENT AN INJUSTICE AND THIS WOULD BE TO ALLOW THE LAND OWN ARE NOW TO FILE FOR THE APPLICATION AS WELL AS TO FACILITATE PROPER DEVELOPMENT AND THAT COMES FROM THE SECOND PART OF THE CALENDAR YEAR ALLOWING FOR US TO FILE AND GET OUR TECHNICAL REVIEW AND COME INTO THE SPRING YEAR WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY\BEFORE IT'S HEARD BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. SO, IN SHORT, BY APPROVE THING WAIVER TO THE TIME LIMIT TO FILE ALONE, IT GIVES CLARITY TO THE NEW LANDOWNER AS TO WHAT THEIR PROPERTY AND CLARITY TO THE COMMUNITY. CERTAINLY BY ALLOWS FOR THE FILING OF THIS NEW REZONING APPLICATION IT DOES NOT INDICATE ANY INDICATION WETHER OR NOT THE REVISED PLAN WILL BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING OR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. WITH THAT, I'LL STAND, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT.>> CHAIR DEAN: ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> WE'LL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ED SLAVEN. THERE'S NO INJUSTICE OR HARDSHIP. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS AN APPLICANT THAT WANTS THE RULES TO BE CHANGED JUST FOR THEM. THEY SHOULD WAIT A YEAR JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE. THIS PROJECT WAS TURNED DOWN.
THIS PROJECT WAS CONTAMINATED BY THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST OF THE ATTORNEY FOR THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY WHO WAS ALSO THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT. DOUGLAS NELSON BERNET. A MAJOR INFLUENCE HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE HAVE MS. HAGA WHO HELPED TO WRITE THE PLAN FOR ST. AUGUSTINE'S BEACH. THERE'S NO PRINCIPLED REASON TO APPROVE A WAIVER. PLEASE TURN THIS DOWN.
IF A WAIVER WERE APPROVED, IT WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S STILL CORRUPTION IN ST. JOHNS. YOU KNOW WHAT THE REVEREND DR.
MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. SAID. ST. JOHNS IS THE LAWLESS PLACE OF AMERICA. THEY FILL IN WETLANDS AND KILL OUR WILDLIFE.
THIS PROJECT WAS TURNED DOWN VERY RECENTLY. THERE'S NO PRINCIPLE REASON TO GIVE THEM A WAIVER. AND SINCE COMMISSIONER JOSEPH IS NOT YET A COMMISSIONER. PLEASE, TABLE THIS ITEM AND LET IT BE VOTED ON WHEN SHE COULD TALK ABOUT IT AND BE HEARD AND TO BE ABLE TO VOTE TO REPRESENT HER CONSTITUENTS.
WHEN THE PEOPLE SAID ABOUT OVERDEVELOPMENT, ENOUGH. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER CALL FROM THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY ON NOVEMBER THE 8TH IN RESPONSE TO THE 15% PLUS SALES TAX INCREASE WHICH WAS TURNED DOWN BY 83%. THE VOTE IS AGAINST SUBSIDIZING DEVELOPERS. THE VOTE IS AGAINST RUBBER-STAMPING DEVELOPERS. AND THIS ITEM SHOULD BE PULLED. PLEASE PULL IT. TABLE IT. AND LET THE APPLICANT, WHOEVER THE APPLICANT IS AND IT'S NOT ALL TOGETHER WHO IS THE CURRENT APPLICANT AND WHO WAS THE PRIOR APPLICANT. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THAT CORPORATE DISCLOSURE IN THIS COUNTY AND STATE. WHO ARE THE BENEFICIAL OWNERS OF THIS PROJECT? WHO ARE THE INVESTORS? BECAUSE, IF WE DON'T KNOW, UNDER THE FLORIDA STATUTE, AND UNDER THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION OF INTEREST, 1123. HOW DO WE KNOW IF SOME OF Y'ALL HAVE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST OR COUNTY STAFF? WE DON'T. WE NEED A COUNTY ETHICS ORDINANCE AND A COUNTY LOBBYING ORDINANCE. AND WILL WE HAVE EX-PARTE DISCLOSURES ON THIS ITEM? AND WHEN WE DO, LET'S DO THEM RIGHT, LET'S SAY EVERYTHING, NOT JUST "I HAD A MEETING". AND BY THE WAY, STOP MEETING WITH DEVELOPERS. STOP HAVING EX-PARTE MEETINGS WITH DEVELOPERS AND IF YOU DO, PLEASE
RECORD IT. THE FBI TAKE THEM. >> YOUR THREE MINUTES IS UP.
>> DON'TING RUDE. >> I'M GOING TO ASK THE
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AUDIENCE TO HOLD THEIR APPLAUSE WHILE CONDUCTING THE BUSINESS OF>> MARILYN QURATO. LAND DEVELOP CODE SAYS WHEN BCC HAS DENIED AN APPLICATION FOR RE-ZONING NO FURTHER APPLICATIONS SHALL BE FILED FOR THE SAME REZONING CATEGORY OF ANY PART OR ALL OF THE SAME LAND FOR ONE YEAR. PART C SAYS THOSE LIMITS MAY BE WAIVED WHEN SUCH ACTION IS DEEMED NECESSARY TO PREVENT INJUSTICE OR TO FACILITATE PROPER DEVELOPMENT.
THIS WAIVER REQUEST IS BASED ON TWO THINGS, NEW LANDOWNERS AND NEW, MORE DESIRABLE PLANS. THE NEW LANDOWNERS, BILL BY BURN, AND HIS LLC BOARD ARE THE SAME EXACT APPLICANT AS BEFORE THE SAME APPLICANT WHO COMMITTED AND REVISED, AND REVISED, AND REVISED, THE PREVIOUSLY REPORTED PLANS. UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES I DON'T SEE HOW A DENIAL OF THIS WAIVER WOULD BE AN INJUSTICE. THIS APPLICANT HAS KEPT US AND ALL OF YOU VERY BUSY THIS PAST YEAR. AS A REMINDER MY NEIGHBORS AND I ATTENDED AT LEAST SIX NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WITH LINDSAY, LEVI AND BILL. THREE PCA MEETINGS AND TWO BCC MEETINGS, AND IN ALL OF THESE ON ALL OF THESE MEETINGS, THE END RESULT WAS THE SAME. ON 8/21 IT WAS DENIED AND ON 9/21 IT WAS BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING. AGAIN, ON 1/20/22 PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMENDED TO DENY. AND ON APRIL 19TH, 2022, YOUR BOARD VOTED TO DENY THE PROJECT AND OUR COMMUNITY TRUSTED YOUR DECISION AS BEING WHAT WAS BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THAT IS FOUR GOOD REASONS TO DENY THIS WAIVER. THIS APPLICANT KNOWS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES THEY KNEW THEM THE FIRST ROUND YET THEY STILL SUBMITTED PLANS THAT DID NOT COMPLY WITH THE LDC.
THE CON CURRENCY STUDY WILL NOT BE TOTALLY ACCURATE SINCE THE CITY PROJECTS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION ARE NOT IN. THIS APPLICANT HAS BEEN OFFERED A LOT OF LEAN WHENCESY OVER THE PAST YEAR. PLEASE HOLD THEM TO THE SAME 1-YEAR COOLS PERIOD THAT OTHER APPLICANTS ARE REFERRED TO.
>> MR. MCNERNY WELCOME. >> KNOW MCNERNY. THE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT WAS COVERED WELL. BUT, I ALSO PUT OUT HERE, IN AUGUST '21 THERE WAS A PZA HEARING OF THIS PROJECT AND THE APPLICANT WAS DENIED. THE BCC VOTED 3-2 REMANDED BACK TO PZA AND PZA HEARD THAT IN JANUARY, AND HEARD THE MORE CHANGES AND VOTED TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. AND FINALLY, THIS YEAR, APRIL 19TH, YOUR COMMISSION HEARD EVERYTHING. ALL THE CHANGES AND THE LATEST PLAN AND VOTED 4-1 TO DENY. I THINK MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE VOTE TO DENY ARE THE REASONS. AND, I CAPTURE THAT HERE. CHAIRMAN DEAN'S QUOTE WAS "MY CERTAIN IS SAFETY AND QUIET ENJOYMENT OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE ENJOYED FOR MANY YEARS. ". THE COMMISSION HEARD THAT, TOOK THAT TO HEART AND VOTED TO DENY 4-1. AND I THINK THE REASON FOR DENIAL IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE DENIAL ITSELF.
BECAUSE, THAT REASON CONTINUES. IT WAS A MESSAGE, YOU, THE COMMISSION DELIVERED THAT MESSAGE IN APRIL AND THAT WAS THAT THE EXISTS OR ZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. THANKED THAT'S A DECISION AND A REASON THAT CAN CARRY FORWARD FOR THIS OR ANY FUTURE APPLICANT. AND SO, WITH THAT, I WOULD JUST CONCLUDE BY
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SAYING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS HAD THREE CHANCES TO PRESENT CHANGES, THEY'VE ALL FAILED. A FOURTH CHANCE IS UNNECESSARY.YOU HAVE MADE IT QUITE CLEAR, QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BY RESIDENTS IS IMPORTANT AND THE EXISTING
O.R.IS RECOMMENDED. >> THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING, I WOULD ASK THAT EVERYBODY COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULE OF DECORUM. IT'S MY DUTY AS THE VICE CHAIR TO CON FORM TO THAT
DECORUM. >> I WANT TO SAY AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, THIS LADY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD DID HER POINTS IN THREE MINUTES. THREE MINUTES. SHE'S ORGANIZED. THE NEIGHBORS ARE BECOMING ORGANIZED AND ARE SPEAKING OUT. AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SPEAK OUT AND MY CONCERN TODAY, IF YOU DON'T DENY THIS, REMEMBER, PEOPLE. REMEMBER, REMEMBER, REMEMBER, THE GOVERNOR CAN APPOINT SOMEONE, HE DID IT BEFORE AND HE CAN DO IT AGAIN. IF HE APPOINTS SOMEONE THAT IS A DEVELOPER'S FRIEND, AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL THIS IS DONE.
NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT SEAT FOR NUMBER THREE.
HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY, IT WILL BE SOMEBODY THAT HAS BEEN BORN AND RAISED IN THIS COUNTY BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE COME IN HERE, THEY MAY HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS, BUT, I PERSONALLY MISS MR. JEB SMITH AND MR. WALDREN, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS BE DENIED TODAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LET MS. KRISTA GET UP HERE AND VOTE ON THIS THING BECAUSE OF WHAT MAY HAPPEN COMING UP WITH WHOEVER WILL BE SITTING UP THERE WITH Y'ALL. THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN TODAY, AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL FOLLOW THROUGH WITH WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION EXACTLY WHAT THESE NEIGHBORS ARE UP HERE SPEAKING ABOUT. THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP COMING IN HERE, AND IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR THE ATTORNEYS AND THE DEVELOPERS TO GET TOGETHER TO MAKE CHANGES FOR BECAUSE THEY KNOW SOMEONE'S GOING TO TAKE OVER, ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. THE PROCESS IS THERE FOR EVERYBODY. NOT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT JUST HAVE ATTORNEY GENERALS THAT THEY CAN HIRE AND WE HAVE TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO. WHATEVER YOU DO, PLEASE DON'T CLAP. THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF HOW THIS BOARD WILL BE CHANGED WHENEVER THE NEW APPOINTMENT COMES IN AND ANOTHER ATTORNEY SAID AT THE LAST MEETING THEY WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT ONE COMES UP. EVERYBODY'S WAITING ON THE NEXT ONE, YOU FOUR, WELL, THREE, SORRY, MAY BE FOUR, EVENTUALLY NEXT TIME CAN MAKE A DECISION. WE DON'T NEED FIVE PEOPLE. WE HAVE THE FACTS AND WE'VE HAD THE FACTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
PLEASE, DENY THIS TODAY AND PLEASE DON'T CLAP.
>> HI, I'M SHERRY BRICKMAN AND I WANT YOU TO ASK Y'ALL TO BELOW FREEZING DENY THE WAIVER. IN THE LAST MEETING, Y'ALL POINTED OUT, YOU CONFERED WITH THE DEPARTMENT. AND Y'ALL DISCOVERED THERE'S NO FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR MAJOR CONCERNS FOR SAFETY AND TRAFFIC.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT I DO WANT COMMISSIONER KRISTA JOSEPH AND SARAH, TO BE INFORMED OF ALL OF THIS. I WOULD CONFERRED. I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU TWO WOULD READ AND GO BACK AND SEE ALL THE EVIDENCE AND THE INFORMATION THAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS MET WITH OUR FAMILIES, WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, AND WENT OUT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, I REMEMBER A COMMISSIONER SAYING, BUT, ANYWAY, HIS WORDS WERE "ALL I SEE IN THIS AREA IS WET, WET, WET". AND THAT WAS ANOTHER
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MARRIAGE CONCERN. BECAUSE ST. JOHNS COUNTY DOES NOT REPORT TO SELLER ROAD. THERE IS A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT THAT IS NEED TO BE DONE BY THE COUNTY BEFORE I FEEL LIKE YOU CAN DO THIS PROPERLY.BUT, THIS SUBDIVISION PROPERLY. BUT, ANYWAY, SO, I'M GETTING MIXED UP HERE. SO, MY DENIAL IS WHAT I WANT TO TELL YOU. PLEASE DENY. GIVE US THE YEAR THAT WE DESERVE. AND THAT EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESERVES TO COOL OFF. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> DEBBIE JAMES, 557 NORTH HORSESHOE ROAD, IN LIEU OF TIME AND REPETITION, I ASK THAT YOU DENY THE WHOLE THING AND MOVE ON
AND LET IT GO. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.
>> >> GOOD MORNING, I'M NIVA FOREMAN. I LIVE AT 3535 NORTH BROAD WAY. I DIDN'T COME TO SPEAK TODAY, BUT EVERYBODY THAT CAME BEFORE ME WAS CORRECT, WE'RE A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD. WE LOVE OUR QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE MANY REASONS FOR THIS TO BE DENIED AND I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER ALL THE REASONS MADE AS CARLA SAID TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN. SO, PLEASE, HELP US OUT, WILL YOU? THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, I'M GLENDA YAWN. I LIVE AT OLD FOR REST SPEED WAY. I'M HERE TO SAY IT SHOULD BE DENIED. HALF OF OUR NEIGHBOR ARE NOT HERE BECAUSE THEY'VE MISSED SO MUCH TIME FROM WORK BECAUSE OF THE STORMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE EVERYBODY HERE TO SHOW YOU HOW MUCH WE DISAGREE WITH THIS. I'M EVEN MISSING MY DAUGHTER'S PLAY AT THE SCHOOL THEY'RE DOING FOR THE VETERANS TO SAY "THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT. WE SERVED OUR TIME AND WE ALL SHOWED UP AND WE DID IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN. ". SOME OF US ARE NOT FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET PAID AND STILL BE HERE. THEY'RE HAVING TO BE AT WORK. I ASK THAT IT BE DENIED AND AT LEAST BROUGHT UP SOMETIME AT A LATER DATE.
>> ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 1?
>> SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> THANK YOU, JUST IN LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT THERE, WE DO APPRECIATE ALL THE INVOLVEMENT THEY HAD ON THE PRIOR APPLICATION AND TO REITERATE YOUR ACTION TODAY DOES NOT INDICATE ANY APPROVAL OF A FUTURE APPLICATION AND THIS, YOU'RE APPROVAL TODAY DOES NOT SET THAT ITEM FOR HEARING. SO, WE WOULD HAVE THE FULL COMPEL ME -- COMELIMENT OF THE BOARD TO HAVE THAT FURTHER. COMPLIMENT
OF THE BOARD. >> CHAIR DEAN: I'VE PROBABLY MADE AT LEAST FIVE SITE VISITS AND TWO MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY HOMEOWNERS, AND OF COURSE, I DID MAKE THE MOTION LAST APRIL TO DENY THIS PROJECT FOR THE REASONS STATED IN THE RECORD. NOW, WITH THAT SAID, AND I THINK EVERYONE'S AWARE OF THIS, BUT, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS WAIVING THE ONE-YEAR TIME LIMIT. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A, ANY CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP THAT HAS NO AFFECT ON ME, WHETHER IT DID OR DID NOT, IT DOESN'T MATTER. THERE'S A CURRENT OWNER, AND MY POSITION IS THAT WE THE BOARD WOULD HEAR THIS IN A YEAR OR A YEAR AND-A-HALF. I JUST WANT TO SAY FROM A PERSONAL STAND POINT I SPENT ROUGHLY 30 YEARS IN STATE GOVERNMENT AND ONE OF THE ISSUES I ALWAYS DEALT WITH WAS, UM, THE, PROCESS AND THE TIME THAT IT MAY TAKE FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS TO BE EITHER APPROVED OR DENIED.
AND I'M REMINDED OF THAT EXPERIENCE TODAY. BECAUSE, ALL I'M DEALING WITH IN MY MIND TODAY IS SHOULD I VOTE TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS SO THAT THE CURRENT APPLICANT COULD GET A DECISION. EITHER TO APPROVE OR DENY THIS PROJECT. AND, I'LL SAY TWO OTHER THINGS, IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL ABOUT THE DETERMINED JUSTICE, I'M NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A
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MOTION TO WAIVE THE TIME PERIOD BECAUSE TO DO OTHERWISE MAY CREATE AN INJUSTICE. THERE WAS NO INJUSTICE CREATED IN MY MIND BY OUR DENIAL LAST APRIL. THE DENIAL WAS BASED ON FACTS, AND LAW, AND I WOULD STAND BY THAT EVERYDAY. BUT, I THINK THAT PERSONALLY, I WAS THE SENSE THAT ANYONE WHO COMES IN HERE AND REQUESTS A DECISION. AND IF IT'S A FAIR REQUEST, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE MADE, THE QUESTION HERE IS WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO US IN A YEAR WITH THE WAIVER OR A YEAR AND-A-HALF WITHOUT THE WAIVER. I, AS A PUBLIC OFFICIAL, WANT TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THE APPLICANT TO HAVE HIS US MAKE AM DECISION EARLIER RATHER THAN LATER. AND ALSO, I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS, THAT, MY STATEMENT THIS MORNING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NEW PROJECT AS IT MAY BE PRESENTED TO THE PZA IF THIS MOTION PASSES BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE NEW PROJECT IS.QUOTE/UNQUOTE. IT HAS TO BE A NEW -- LET ME SAY THIS, FROM MY STAND POINT, IT BETTER BE A NEW PROJECT FOR ME TO GIVE IT ANY CONSIDERATION AT ALL. BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, I VOTED TO DENY THE PROJECT IN APRIL. BUT, I HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT THE NEW PROJECT MAY BE AND HOW I WOULD VOTE IF IT'S PRESENTED TO US. I AM COMFORTABLE GOING FORWARD WITH A MOTION TO WAIVE THE TIME PERIOD.
SO, WITH THAT SAID, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, I'LL MOVE TO WAIVE THE TIME PERIOD ON ITEM 1 TO REAPPLY TO THE PZA. SO, IS THERE A SECOND OR COMMENTS?
>> I'LL SECOND IT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
[2. Public Hearing * Affordable Housing Impact Fee Deferral. ]
SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. >> THAT PASSES 3-0. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING AND I'M SURE WE'LL BE REVISITING THIS IN THE FUTURE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. OKAY. ITEM TWO IS, AFFORDABLE
HOUSING IMPACT FEE DEFERRAL. >> GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING. LISA BROWN GROWTH MANAGEMENT. THIS IS ITEM TWO ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IMPACT FEE DEFERRAL. SO, THIS IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT CHANGED TO THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE WHICH IS SECTION 37 AND IT IS TO PROVIDE CRITERIA AND PROCEDURE FOR THE ALLOWANCE OF IMPACT FEE DEFERRAL FOR QUALIFYING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS. CURRENTLY WE ONLY HAVE THE ABILITY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WHICH ARE PROVIDED AT A DEFERRED PAYMENT OPTION FOR IMPACT FEES AND YOU GUYS DIRECTED, THE BOARD DIRECTED US TO GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES STAFF TO COLLABORATE ON DRAFTING AN AMENDMENT. SO, JUST SOME BACKGROUND, LAST MONTH, THE BOARD WAS PRESENTED A REQUEST FROM ABILITY HOUSING, IT FOR ASSISTANCE TO BRIDGE THE FINANCIAL GAP FOR THE VILLAGES OF WEST AUGUSTINE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT IN THE WEST AUGUSTINE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPMENT AREA. THE PROJECT INCLUDES A 92-UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX. THE PROJECT HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND IN 2019, THE BOARD APPROVED A MATCH OF $460,000 TOWARDS THE FLORIDA HOUSING CORPORATIONS, LOW-INCOME TAX CREDIT PROGRAM IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. AND THEY'VE APPLIED FOR THREE YEARS AND AFTER THREE YEARS OF APPLYING FOR THE PROGRAM THEY WERE FINALLY APPROVED IN THE SPRING OF THIS YEAR. HOWEVER, DUE TO AN INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION COST AND THE INTEREST RATES, THE ABILITY HOUSING BASICALLY HAVE NOT, THE FUNDING THEY HAVE SECURED IS INSUFFICIENT TO COVER THE DEVELOPMENT COST. THE REQUEST FROM ABILITY WAS TO PROPOSE AN IMPACT FEE DEFERRAL. THE ESTIMATED TOTAL IMPACT FEES FOR THE UNITS APPROXIMATELY $1.2 MILLION. AND THE AMENDMENTS WHICH WILL BE ADDED IN SUBSECTION C OF 37. IS OUTLINED A DEFERRAL PROGRAM FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS WITH
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100% OF THE UNITS TO BE LOW-INCOME HOUSE HOLDS, LIMITED TO MULTIFAMILY UNITS FROM RENT TO HOUSE HOLDS EARNING 50% OR LESS AMI. UNTIL PROPOSE REQUIREMENTS TO INCLUDE DEED RESTRICTIONS TO REQUIRE THE PROPERTY TO LIMIT THE RENTAL AMOUNT FOR A MINIMUM OF 30 YEARS. SO, THE AMENDMENT SUMMARY, ALSO INCLUDES BASICALLY IMPACT FEES FOR ROADS, BUILDINGS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND FIRE, AND PARK ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE DEFERRED AND THE PROGRAM DOES NOT INCLUDE DEFERRAL FOR IMPACT FEES AS IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD. IT'S LIMITED TO 100 RUNTS AND THE PREVIOUSLY FISCAL YEAR'S RESIDENTIAL TAX COLLECTION. A COPY OF THE DRAFTED AGREEMENT IS IN THE PACT AS ATTACHMENT THREE AND IT INCLUDES THE APPLICANT'S ACCEPTANCE OF CONDITIONS WHICH ARE THE ASSESSMENT OF IMPACT FEES. INTEREST TO BE PAID, LINK OF THE DEFERRAL AND PAYMENT DATE AND ENFORCEMENT OF AGREEMENT AND PROHIBITED MODIFICATIONS. SO, SOME CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE THE INTEREST RATE BASED OFF OF THE NATIONAL AVERAGE CONSTRUCTION INDEX WHICH IS A CAP OF 4% AND ALSO AN INCREASE OF THE 100 UNITS IN THE THREE% OF THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEARS RESIDENTIAL IMPACT COLLECTION TO FACILITATE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS. THIS WENT TO PNZ ON NOVEMBER 3RD WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF CREDIT BECAUSE AFTER LOOKING INTO IT PRESENTED CUMBERSOME REQUIREMENTS AND WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THOSE ASSURANCES THROUGH LEANS AGAINST THE PROPERTY. SO, STAFF IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT FINDING THE MODIFICATIONS CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA LAW AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER WAIVING THE SECOND MEETING TO MEET THE TIMELINE FOR ST. AUGUSTINE'S PROJECT FOR ABILITY HOUSING. THAT'S IT FOR ME, BUT WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM ABILITY HOUSING AND ALSO HHS STAFF IF YOU HAVE ANYQUESTIONS. >> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 2. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
>> DORRIS TAYLOR, 208, LAVLIA ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE. MY BIGGEST CONCERN HERE IS THE FACT THAT APPARENTLY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY BECAUSE YOU WANT TO RAISE OUR TAXES. THEREFORE, WHEN I SEE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE RULES, AND THAT'S GOING TO COST US MONEY, OR YOU'RE GOING TO DEFER DEFER IMPACT FEES TO DEVELOPERS? REALLY? THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN COLLECTING ENOUGH IMPACT FEES FROM THE DEVELOPERS, THEREFORE YOU WANT TO RAISE TAXES. SO, WHATEVER THE PROJECT. WHATEVER THE PROJECT AT ALL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY EXCUSE TO DEFER OR TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE IMPACT FEES WHICH ARE ALREADY ARE NOT ENOUGH THAT WE ALREADY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT NOW. IF YOU THINK IT'S OKAY TO EVEN DISCUSS RAISING OUR TAXES, YOU NEED TO THINK TWICE WHEN YOU ARE APPROVING FAVORITISM TO DEVELOPERS. SO, PLEASE, VOTE KNOW ON THIS. THERE'S NO REASON. WE'RE LIVING IN A LAWLESS SITUATION WHEN EVERY OTHER ITEM ON THE LIST IS TAKING EXCEPTION TO THE LAW. TAKING EXCEPTION TO THE RULES. WHY HAVE RULES? WHY NOT JUST LISTEN TO THINGS AND DECIDE WHAT YOU THINK YOU AUTO DO. BECAUSE, YOU DON'T SEEM TO THINK YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES. EVERYTHING HERE IS TAKING EXCEPTION. IF THE WORD EXCEPTION IS IN THE THING, I SAY VOTE, NO. THANK
YOU. >> THANK YOU, MS. TAYLOR.
>> ED SLAVEN, BOX 3084. WE NEED A WORKING COMMITTEE SYSTEM
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TO CONSIDER THIS REQUEST WE HAVE SEVEN COMMISSIONERS AND A BUDGET COMMITTEE AND WE NEED COMMITTEES THAT MEET AND DELIBERATE BEFORE A BCC MEETING AND WHY IS EVERY SINGLE ITEM ON OUR AGENDA HAVING A DEVELOPER SPEAK FIRST, RATHER THAN THE COUNTY STAFF? IT'S LIKE A PROGRAM LENGTH COMMERCIAL OR WAIVERS AND EXEMPTIONS AND SPECIAL PRIVILEGES, BASICALLY ALLOWING PEOPLE TO THE PODIUM FOR AN UNLIMITED TIME TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF SPECIAL PRIVILEGES FOR UNKNOWN, UNNAMED DEVELOPERS. WHO ARE THE BENEFICIAL OWNERS OF THIS PROJECTS? WHO BENEFITS? PLEASE VOTE THIS DOWN. THANKYOU, I AGREE WITH MS. TAYLOR. >> THANK YOU, MR. SLAVEN.
>> HI. >> SO, THE ABILITY HOUSING IS GREAT, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. BUT, I THINK THEY NEED TO FIND THE FEDERAL FUNDING. THE IMPACT FEES AGAIN ARE IMPACTING OUR ROADS, AND IMPACTING ALL THE IMPACTS OF OVERDEVELOPMENT.
CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE GONE DOWN, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD WAIVE THE SECOND READING THAT'S INCLUDING THE PUBLIC AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR COUNTY TO INCLUDE THE PUBLIC WITH THE SECOND READING. I DID QUICK RESEARCH BECAUSE AGAIN I'M NOT UP THERE, BUT, AN ATTORNEY THAT I TALKED TO MENTIONED THAT THE OWNERSHIP OF THE DEVELOPER IS A NON-PROFIT, THE DEVELOPER IS IN THE NON-PROFIT CATEGORY BUT THE OWNER DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE NON-PROFIT CATEGORY WHICH ALLOWS FOR MAY BE SOME DEVELOPER GET INTO THE SYSTEM OF THE DEFERRAL WHICH IS A GREAT IDEA, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPER AND OWNER SHOULD BE AT LEAST 50% NON-PROFIT, OTHERWISE, YOU'LL HAVE THE ACTUAL DEVELOPERS TAKING OVER THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS. AND THERE'S A 30 YEAR LIMIT ON THIS, I THINK IT SHOULD BE LONGER ON THAT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT AFTER 30 YEARS THEY DON'T GET THAT ANYMORE, I MEAN, 30 YEARS IS NOT THAT LONG. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. YOU WOULD INSERT AFTER THE CLAUSE ON C.1.C PROVIDED SUCH GENERAL PARTNER MANAGING MEMBER, OR NONINVESTER MEMBERS OWNS GREATER THAN 50% OF THE OTHER THAN. THAT WOULD COVER THE NON-PROFIT VERSUS THE PROFIT FOR THE DEVELOPER. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. >> ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE
PUBLIC COMMENT? >> I TWO TWO MEN RACING TO THE
>> GREG MATIVIA, 1506 CRAIG ROAD. I'M A DIRECTOR OF ABILITY HOUSING, I GET MORE MONEY SERVING AS THE CHAIR OF THE PZA SERVING THERE. AND I'VE BEEN ON THAT BOARD FOR OVER 10 YEARS, CLOSE TO 14 YEARS, I SERVED AS THE CHAIR FOR SEVEN YEARS.
FIRST OF ALL, LET ME TELL YOU THAT THE OWNERSHIP OF ABILITY HOUSING IS BASICALLY THE PUBLIC, IT'S RUN BY A BOARD OF DIRECTOR'S AND THERE ARE NO PRAY VAT OWNERS OF ABILITY HOUSING AND WE WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING THAT CHANGE. NUMBER ONE, AND NUMBER TWO, THE REASON FOR THE EMERGENCY TODAY IS BECAUSE THE FEDERAL FINANCING WHICH IS ALREADY APPROVED WHICH IS THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS HAVE SPECIFIC DEADLINES THAT HAVE TO BE MET BY WHICH ABILITY HOUSING HAS TO SHOW THEY HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR THE PROJECTS. THAT'S THE REASON FOR WAIVING THE SECOND READING. AND NUMBER THREE I WOULD TELL YOU THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THE MAXIMUM FEDERAL AND STATE P MONEY THAT WE COULD GET. THE MONEY THAT COMES FROM FLORIDA HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION IS AN ALLOCATION OF FEDERAL TAX CREDITED AND IT'S WAY BEYOND THE SCOPE OF MY THREE MINUTES THAT I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT. BUT, I COULD IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO, BUT THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT WE COULD GET FROM THOSE SOURCES AT THIS TIME. WE URGE YOU TO APPROVE THIS BECAUSE IT IS BADLY NEEDED HOUSING FOR THIS COUNTY AND IT'S GOING TO SERVE PEOPLE WITH 60% OR LESS OF THE AMI WHICH AS YOU ALL KNOW REALTIME PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING ON THE FRONT LINES HERE IN VARIOUS POSITIONS IN THE COUNTY. SO, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. MR. MCNERNE. WELCOME BACK.
>> SO JOE MCNERNE. I APPROVE. AND ASK FOR APPROVAL FOR THIS.
AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN OUR COUNTY TALKS ABOUT THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WORKFORCE HOUSING AND HERE IT IS ON OUR DOORSTEP IF ONLY FOR THIS RUN FINAL STEP. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND I HAVE STATISTICS HERE THAT MATCH WHAT MR. MATIVNA SAID.
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SEVEN UNITS AT 50% AND 10 UNITS AT 33%. AND THE PERSON I TALKED TO SAID 33% WAS UNHEARD OF. SO, WHAT A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY THIS IS. COULD IT BE BETTER? POSSIBLY? COULD THE POT BE SWEETER? POSSIBLY. WHAT KIND OF PRECEDENTS ARE WE SETTING? QUITE HONESTLY, I WOULD FORGIVE RATHER THAN DEFER, AS AN INCENTIVE TO DO MORE, BUT THAT'S FOR ANOTHER DAY. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TODAY. IT'S RIGHT HERE AND I URGE YOUTO AROVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. MCNERNE.
WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> I SEE SOMEBODY COMING UP. >> BJ, WEST CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE. I THINK THIS SHOULD BE DENIED AND I THINK WE KEEP USING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS AN EXCUSE TO GET AWAY WITH THINGS.
I KNOW THAT WE NEED IT, BUT, I'M REALLY CONCERNED, IT WILL BE INTERESTING IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS TO SEE WHAT IS BUILDING, WHO GOES IN THERE AND HOW MUCH THEY REALLY HAVE TO PAY. MY LAST QUESTION WILL BE SO IT'S $1.2 MILLION IN ROAD IMPACT FEES THAT THEY CAN'T COME UP WITH, SO, CAN ANYONE OF YOU THREE ANSWER WHERE IS THAT $1.2 MILLION GOING TO COME FROM? YOU CAN'T GET IT FROM THE SALES TAX. SO, WHERE ARE WE, THE TAXPAYERS, UNLESS YOU GOT SOME MONEY YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT GOING TO COME UP WITH THIS $1.2 MILLION BECAUSE WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE ROADS AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT'S FINE AND DANDY. SO, WHEN WE DEFERRAL AND IMPACT FEE, THAT CONCERNS ME, NOT THAT I'M AGAINST AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I THINK EVERYONE NEEDS HOUSING, BUT, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT BECAUSE THIS PERSON'S GOING TO DO IT AND THEN WE'LL GET ANOTHER PERSON, I'M GOING TO KEEP A RECORD, $1.2 MILLION, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LET THEM PAY. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THIS MONEY'S GOING TO COME FROM? CAN YOU ANSWER
>> THANK YOU. >> YES, PLEASE, COME UP.
>> NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 NECK ROAD, I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE POINT, I'VE HEARD IN THE PAST THAT MR. METIVINA IS A SUCCESSFUL AND GENEROUS DEVELOPER IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
I'VE HAD MANY EXAMPLES GIVEN TO ME ABOUT HOW GENEROUS HE'S BEEN AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR HIS GENEROSITY TO NOT ASK US FOR THIS WAIVER. LET'S SEE WHAT HIS ORGANIZATION CAN DO, OUR COUNTY IS NOT IN A SITUATION FOR GRANTING WAIVERS AND SETTING PRECEDENTS FOR GRANT BEING WAIVERS, THAT'S MY
OPINION. >> THANK YOU. MISS TATE.
>> TATE, 441 EAST CAUSELY LANE. I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE APPROVED. WE HAVE A TERRIBLE PROBLEM WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IT'S IMPACTING OUR ABILITY TO HIRE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO LIVE. I APPRECIATE YOU APPROVING THIS.
>> WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 2.
>> CHAIR DEAN: COMMISSIONERS, I WAS HOPING MS. TAYLOR WAS STILL IN THE AUDIENCE, SHE'S WALKED OUT TWICE AND COME BACK.
I WAS HOPING SHE WAS HERE BECAUSE I'M COMPELLED TO MAKE A COMMENT WHEN MY INTENTIONS AND MY ACTIONS ARE CHALLENGED NOT ONCE BUT TWICE IN THE SAME SPEECH, I FEEL COMPELLED TO MAKE A COMMENT. AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IT WAS NEVER MY INTEREST TO RAISE YOUR TAXES. IF I WANTED TO RAISE YOUR TAXES OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR A MILLAGE RATE INCREASE, THAT'S THE ONE WHY THAT I COULD ACT ON AS A COMMISSIONER. WE ACTUALLY WENT TO ROLLBACK TWICE DURING MY T TENURE. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE VOTER, THE CHOICE, AND HOPEFULLY IT WAS AN INFORMED CHOICE TO DEAL WITH THE BACKLOG OF $500 MILLION IN INFRASTRUCTURE THE BEST WAY I THOUGHT IT COULD BE HANDLED BUT, I ASKED YOU THE VOTER AND YOU'VE SPOKEN AND I RESPECT THAT. AND I'M GOING TO LIVE WITH IT.
WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL WE CAN AS A COMMISSION, I'M SURE, TO TIGHTEN OUR BELTS AND FIND REVENUE WHERE WE CAN TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE MAJOR CRITICAL BACKLOGS PARTICULARLY IN THE
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AREA OF TRAFFIC CONGESTION, BUT, I'M COMPELLED WHEN SOMEONE CHALLENGES MY WORD, POSITION, AND ACTION, I DO, FROM TIME TO TIME, FEEL COMPELLED TO SPEAK OUT. AND NOT SIT HERE AS A PUNCHING BAG. I FELT COMPELLED TO SAY THAT BEFORE HAVING ADISCUSSION OR MOTION. >> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. ON THIS ITEM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF IF THERE ARE GUARD RAILS UP TO NOT COMPLY WITH THIS. HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERY DEVELOPERS THAT COMES THROUGH CAN'T ASK FOR A DEFERRAL OF
THESE IMPACT FEES? >> THERE ARE VERY STRICT PARAMETERS LISTED IN HERE LIMITING IT TO 100 UNITS OR LIMITING IT TO THE 3% OF THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR, ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REQUESTED TO THE BOARD OR THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A CHANGE IN THE POLICY, AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE ALL THE LEGALITIES SET FORTH WITHIN THE ORDINANCE AS TO WHAT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF EACH PROJECT.
>> THANK YOU. I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT, MR. CHAIR, IF THAT'S
>> CHAIR DEAN: SURE. >> WE'VE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THESE ROADS. WE'VE MADE DEVELOPERS BUILD A LOT OF THOSE ROADS BUT WE ALSO HAVE TEACHER SHORTAGES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I HAVE RESIDENTS E-MAILING ME ABOUT THE TEACHER SHORTAGES IN HER SON OR DAUGHTER'S CLASSROOMS, WE HAVE TRASH AND YARD WASTE PICK UP DELAYS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, I KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF THE EMAILS THAT I GET FROM PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE YARD TRASH AND TACHE DE DELAYS. I WALK INTO RESTAURANTS AND HALF THE TABLES ARE OPEN, AND I'M TOLD THAT I HAVE TO WAIT. BECAUSE THEY CONTINUE FIND WORKERS. THE ESSENTIAL WORKERS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I HAVE THE NEED TO ADDRESS THE ROAD GIPS THE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE, OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR SOLID WASTE COLLECTION CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE AREA WHERE WE NEED THEM TO WORK. WE NEED OUR TEACHERS AND NURSES. SO, FOR THOSE REASONS, I'M GOING TO VOTE TO DEFER THE IMPACT FEES AND NOT WAIVE THEM.
BUT, I DO THINK IT IS SMART TO DEFER TO GET THE ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE HOUSING HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
>>> THAT WAS NOT A MOTION, BUT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAKE IT IF
>> I THINK THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN SHY ABOUT MY EXCITEMENT ABOUT THIS PROJECT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I'M PREPARED TO SHARE THE MOTION AND WOULD BE MOVING TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2022-78 AMENDING EXHIBIT B, SECTION 37 OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL IMPACT FEE AND WAIVE THE SECOND
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READING OF THE AMENDMENT. >> SECOND.
>> CHAIR DEAN: ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND,
PLEASE VOTE. >> THAT PASSES 3-0, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR EX-PEEDANCESY. THAT MAKES UP. THREE IS EX-PARTE. SO, LET'S ADDRESS ITEM THREE WITH RESPECT TO THAT EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION SHALL. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?
>> I SEE NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> AND COMMISSIONER WHITHURST?
>> I HAVE NO RECORD OF ANY MEETINGS.
>> I HAVE NO RECORD. SO, THAT TAKES CARE OF EX-PARTE. SO, MS.
KAREN, PROCEED WITH ITEM THREE. >> GOOD MORNING, KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAH GOING STREET, AND THIS IS ITEM THREE WHICH IS THE CRACKER SWAMP PROPERTIES. WITH ME IS WESLEY SMITH WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY AND MR. SMITH OWNS SMITH FARMS IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY AND I KIND OF ADDED THAT AS TO SOME COMMENT. THIS IS A LOCAL PERSON. LIVED HERE, FAMILY, LOTS OF YEARS. UM, THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL GENERAL 2 TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND OPEN RURAL. AND COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND OPEN RURAL TO OPEN RURAL. AND THE REASON'S OPEN RURAL IS THAT IT'S EASY TO COVER THE ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY. THIS PROPERTY IS SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH AND CRACKER SWAMP ROAD IT'S 88.06 ACRES,
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IT'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PARCELS ALONG CRACKER SWAMP ROAD THIS WAS PART OF AN ORIGINAL PLAN PLANNED FOR MULTIFAMILY, THUS THE RG PORTION, COMMERCIAL, THE CG PORTION, AS WELL AS THE OR PORTION. AND IT WAS LONG BEFORE THERE WERE COMP PLANS, SO, IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR A LONG TIME. EAST OF THIS IS THE FLAGLER ESTATES ROAD AND WATER PROPERTIES. THIS IS FLAGLER ESTATES BELOW HERE. YOU COULD SEE A LOT OF LARGE LOT AND FARM PROPERTIES, AGAIN, THE CONTINUATION OF CRACKER SWAMP ROAD THAT GOES DOWN INTO THE DEEP CREEK BOULEVARD THAT GOES DOWN INTO FLAGLER ESTATES. IT IS 88.6 ACRES AND THERE ARE CURRENTLY EIGHT PARCELS AS PART OF IT. ONE PORTION TO THE SOUTH PORTION OF IT THAT YOU KIND OF SEE CLEARED IN THIS AREA IS NOT MR. SMITH, IT IS HIS NEIGHBOR THAT BOUGHT PROPERTY FROM HIM A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AND THERE'S A HOME, AND BARNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND HE'S JOINING? AS WELL, BECAUSE THE RG-2 ZONING THAT HE HAS WOULD NOT ALLOW HIM TO DO FARMING, HE HAD TO COME FOR A SPECIAL USE TO HAVE HORSES, FOR INSTANCE. SO, THE WHOLE AREA IS AGRICULTURUAL INTENSIVE. MOSTLY ALL AROUND HIM. AGRICULTURUAL THERE ARE FLAGLER ESTATES BOULEVARD AND 13. AND THEN, THAT'S JUST A CLOSER VIEW OF THE PROPERTIES.AND, JUST AGAIN, A LITTLE CLOSER TO SEE THE ROADWAY NETWORK AND HOW THINGS WORK IN THAT GENERAL AREA. UM, AGRICULTURAL I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE, BUT, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE SLIDE, WE ALL KNOW WHAT AG IS THESE DAYS AND ALSO THE OTHER USES THAT CAN BE USED WITHIN AG WHICH INCLUDE CULTURAL AND INSTITUTIONAL USES. THIS IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL INFORMATION AND THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND YOU COULD SEE FROM THE MAP THERE'S SOME IMPROVED PASTURE, THERE'S SOME STREAM AND SWAMPS AS A PART OF IT. AND THAT, PINE. THE SOUTHERN PART AND I'LL SHOW YOU THIS BECAUSE THE SOUTHERN PROPERTIES WE'RE LOOKING TO A RECON F RECONFIGURATION OF THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NORTH HERE, THESE RED LINES INDICATE WHERE THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES ARE FOR THE PROPERTIES. AND SO, MR. SMITH IS GOING TO RECONFIGURE THESE SO THAT IT'S NOT PLATTING, IT'S JUST RECONFIGURING SO THERE ARE DESCENT, SIX ACRE LOTS NOT RELATED TO THE WETLANDS. THESE PICTURE IS THEE ENTRANCE TO FLAGLER ESTATES. YOU COULD SEE THE ZONING SIGN AROUND THE CORNER AND SEE THE CLEARED LAND THAT MR. PEARSON OWNS AS WELL THAT'S DEVELOPED AS A FARM.
THAT'S THE INTERSECTION OF THE TWO ROADWAYS, YOU COULD SEE IT'S FARMLAND TYPE THING. THERE IS SOME NICE TREE COVER. SO, AGAIN IN OR YOU CAN WORK WITH THAT AND IT'S JUST COMING UP ON BOTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, ENTRANCES TO THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT ACCESS. THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA, MOST AS YOU NOTED IS OR, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WE GOT A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FROM PZA AND ARE REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL TODAY. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR, UM --
>> QUESTIONS? >> THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM THREE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC
COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> ED SLAVEN I SUPPORT THE
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APPLICATION. DELIGHTED TO SEE 88 ACRES GOING BACK TO OPEN RURAL WHICH IS WHERE WE OUGHT TO BE REVIEWING OUR COUNTY ORDINANCES TO SEE HOW MUCH LAND IS CURRENTLY MISCLASSIFIED AND HAS A MORE INTENSIVE USE OF OPEN RURAL, WE OUGHT TO HAVE A REVIEW AND A SUNSET ON ALL OF THESE PUDS. CATHY BROWN SAID PUDS ARE A WAY TO GET AROUND REZONING. FASTER THAN A SPEEDING DUMP TRUCK HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WHAT WE KNOW AND LOVE HERE, THE LAND, THE WILDLIFE, THE WETLANDS, IS BEING DESTROYED BY THE DEVELOPERS, BUT, THIS IS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND I TOTALLY SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU.>> THANK YOU, MR. LAS VEGASEN. >> BJ, WEST CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE. THIS IS FINE. SO, IT'S GOING TO GO TO OPEN RURAL, I'M GOING TO TO SNEAK THIS IN, UNLESS YOU STOP ME MR. DEAN, WHAT IS THE NEXT ONE, BECAUSE, USUALLY YOU COULD FIND THESE THINGS, SO, SAME THING, IT'S GOING TO BE, THEY WANT TO DO REZONING TO RURAL COMMERCIAL. SO, WHENEVER MS. TARA GETS UP, MAY BE SHE CAN EXPLAIN WHAT IS RURAL COMMERCIAL? IS THAT HORSES RUNNING AROUND OR SOME KIND OF BUILDING THAT'S COMING OVER THERE IN THE FARMLAND, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, THE FARMLANDS, OKAY, THAT'S WHERE THE FOOD IS COMING FROM,
REMEMBER THAT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO
MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? >> SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM THREE.
>> (INAUDIBLE) >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE THE
MOTION. >> MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 022-79 APPROVING REZONING 2022-14 CRACKER SWAMP PROPERTIES BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF STAFF AS PROVIDED BY THE STAFF REPORT.
>> SECOND. >> CHAIR DEAN: ALL RIGHT, MOTION AND SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 3-0. ITEM 4.
AND, INTERESTINGLY, EVEN AFTER MY BRIEFING, I STILL HAVE SORT OF THE SAME QUESTION THAT BJ HAD. AND CAN YOU SORT OF DISTINGUISH BETWEEN ITEM THREE AND 4, ONE'S 80, AND ONE'S EIGHT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IS IT THE SAME PROPERTY? WHAT'S
GOING ON? >> KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAH GOING STREET AND WESLEY SMITH IS THE OWNER AND HE'S HERE WITH ME FOR THE TRUST. MAY BE AS I GO THROUGH IT, I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WE GO. THIS IS PART OF THE PINE TREE VILLAGE PROPERTY BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT WE JUST REZONED. SO, THIS IS THE VERY NORTHERN TIP OF THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY AND IT IS THE INTERSECTION OF 13 AND CRACKER SWAMP ROAD. SO, IF YOU GET TO HERE, YOU'LL SEE THE PARCELS OUTLINED IN YELLOW AND THEY ARE THAT VERY NORTHERN TIP AND WHAT WE JUST DID IS THE SOUTHERN PORTION THAT GOES DOWN TO HERE AND MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE HAD A MAP THAT SHOWED BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. THIS PARCEL, AGAIN, IS, UM, EIGHT ACRES. THIS PARCEL IS, UM, DOES HAVE THERE'S PORTION ON THE WEST AND A PORTION ON THE RIGHT. AND IT KIND OF RUNS TO THE TERMINUS OF THE OWNERSHIP WHERE THE DITCH COMES ACROSS FOR THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DITCH. AND THERE'S THE ROAD THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU AS WELL. SO, THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. PARCELS FROM PART OF THAT PINEPINE TREE VILLAGE. S IS THE LAND USE HERE, AND THE LAND USE IS AGRICULTURE INTENSIVE. A.I. AND SO, THEN, THERE'S AGRICULTURAL AROUND IT AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHERS. WHEN WE GET TO THE ZONING, THE ZONING ON THIS PARCEL IS CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL. SO, WE ARE HERE TODAY TO REQUEST A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT NOT A REZONING. IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO USE THE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION THAT EXISTS ON THOSE TWO PIECES. THE RURAL COMMERCIAL TO KIND OF ANSWER THE QUESTION TOO, IT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE GENERAL STORES, ROADSIDE STANDS, NURSERIES, THE RETAIL SALE OF MOTOR FUELS AND BAIT AND TACKLE, THOSE TYPES OF AGRICULTURE RELATED. IT INCLUDES CULTURAL AND
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INSTITUTIONAL LIKE CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE GENERAL COMMERCIAL. BUT, GENERAL COMMERCIAL USES IS WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT ZONING DO INCLUDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.SO, IT'S A BUMP DOWN EVEN THOUGH THE ZONING WOULD REMAIN AS CG.
SO, AGAIN, IT COULD BE LOTS OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS THAT RELATE TO COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU'RE KIND OF FAMILIAR WITH. AND AGAIN WE GO THREW THOSE, AND IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC SERVICE. ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE, TOO, THERE IS A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF IT THAT IS WETLANDS THAT WON'T BE USED. BUT, AGAIN, THE WAY THAT THESE ARE, THAT WAY WE CAN PUT THEM IN THE CONSERVATION TYPE THING AND THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE OTHER ONES. THE UP LANDS IS THE 4.2 ACRES AND THE WETLANDS IS THE 5.6 ACRES. IT'S A DIFFERENT ORIENTATION. WE LAID OUT WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE THE MOST INTENSE WHICH IS THE REQUEST OF PLANNING SO THAT YOU GET THE TRAFFIC AND THE INFORMATION BASED ON THAT. SO, WE GET A CONVENIENCE STORE FOR THE 2.7 ACRES, 2.7 ACRES OF IT. WITH SOME RETAIL AND OFFICE SPACE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. AND THIS IS ORIENTED BACK TO THE OTHER WAY. IT SHOWS THE RETAIL BUILDING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE CONVENIENCE PORTION, THE RETAIL OR OFFICE AND THE FUELLING STATIONS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. WE USED THE UPLAND AREA ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD WOULD BE USED FOR RETENTION AS WELL. SO, THERE'S A SMALL WETLAND IMPACT. AND THE WETLAND IMPACT WOULD BE DOWN IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THAT'S WHAT TAKES US FROM THE 2.52 ACRES OF UPLANDS TO THE 2.87. SO, WE HAVE GENERATION, THIS IS USING THE NUMBERS, AND SO, THE RETAIL IS ABOUT, UM, 41 PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND 398, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IN THIS LOCATION IF WE HAVE THAT, BUT, THAT'S BASED ON THE IT STANDARDS. IT'S THE CONVENIENCE STORE THAT BRINGS THAT UP WITH THE FUELLING STATIONS. AND SO, THE COMBINATION WOULD BE, BUT, USUALLY WHEN YOU DO A TRAFFIC STUDY YOU CONSIDER AT LEAST 50% OF THE TRAFFIC TO BE DRIVE-BY TRAFFIC WHICH IS ALREADY THERE.
SO, I WENT THROUGH THE LINKS AND THEY ALL HAVE PLENTY OF CAPACITY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT, OF COURSE, WHEN THEY CAME IN THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHECK THAT OUT. WE'RE LOOKING SOUTHEAST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WE'RE UP ON THE P TO PORTION SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THERE'S THE INTERSECTION OF 13 SOUTH. THAT INTERSECTION AND THEN LOOKING AS WE START GOING TO THE EAST. AND THIS GETS TO THE AREA WHERE FLAGLER BOULEVARD COMES OUT. ANYBODY THAT'S BEEN DOWN THERE HAS BEEN TO BUDDY BOY'S, AT SOME POINT IN TIME. THERE'S A DOLLAR GENERAL, THERE'S A CAMPGROUND THAT STARTS THAT COMMERCIAL ROAD. IT'S HARD TO SEE THE SIGNS, BUT, THAT, AGAIN IS BUDDY BOY'S, A PRETTY LONG-TERM THING. AND YOU COULD SEE THE DOLLAR GENERAL, ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO, THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER SMALL ENCLAVE OF COMMERCIAL IN THAT AREA. I DID THIS JUST TO SHOW DISTANCES FROM HASTINGS TO THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION IS 3.94 MILES. THE CRACKER SWAMP ROAD TO FLAGLER ESTATES BOULEVARD SO, AS YOU GO THROUGH HERE. AND IN ORDER, IF YOU WERE TO GO OVER TO GET TO, AGAIN, A LOT OF FLAGLER ESTATES GOES THROUGH THIS AREA TO GO TO BUDDY BOY'S, BUT A LOT OF THEM USE THAT TO GET TO FLAGLER ESTATES AND AS WE KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT HAS REALLY PICKED UP
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IN FLAGLER ESTATES TOO. SO, AGAIN, PERMITTED USES WOULD ONLY ALLOW FOR THOSE THAT I LISTED IN THE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD SO IT'S NOT LIKE A, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A COMMERCIAL, THE RULE COMMERCIAL LAND USE, SO, IT IS LIMITED IN THIS TO MORE OF THE CONVENIENCE TYPE OF THINGS AND THINGS TO SERVICE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AGAIN, THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER ONES, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM SPECIFICALLY UNLESS YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THEM. SO, THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE LAND USE, NOT THE ZONING. AND TO CHANGE IT TO THAT RURAL COMMERCIAL IN KEEPING WITH THAT PARTICULAR AREA. THE ZONING WILL REMAIN THAT COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND WE FEEL IT'S COMPATIBLE AND A GOOD LOCATION. WE WERE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY THE PZA AND WE'RE REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL AND AGAIN, I'MHAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM FOUR. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE COME FORWARD.
>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, HERE WE ARE.
>> HI, I RAN THE 5K IN ELKTON THAT WEEKEND AND WENT BY THE PROPERTY, IT'S VERY WET, SUPER THE ROADS IS A LITTLE DANGEROUS, BUT, I COULD SEE HOW THEY WOULD LIKE A SMALL WAY TO GET FOOD AND NOT HAVE TO DRIVE SO FAR AND WHAT NOT. BUT, I THINK THORNED LIMIT WHAT THEY DO THERE SO THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME A WAREHOUSE OR WHATEVER USES WHICH WOULD BE BEYOND WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO BEYOND WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
>> COMMISSIONER, DID YOU SEE THE SITE PLAN PUT UP?
>> I KNOW IT'S ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL. SO, THAT'S NOT THE CHOICE HERE, WHAT IT IS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE COMPATIBLE FOR,
>> THANK YOU. >> WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO
MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? >> I'M SEEING NONE, SO WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.
>> JUST TO EASE THE COMMISSIONER'S FEARS A BIT. AS YOU GO BACK, AGAIN, THE USES UNDER THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS, COMMERCIAL, WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE ONES HERE. THE RETAIL HOSPITALITY, THINGS LIKE THE CONVENIENCE STORE, A SPECIAL FOOD STORES, YOU COULD HAVE PHARMACIES, BUT NOT DRIVE-THRUS IN THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. YOU CAN DO CHURCHES, THERE'S AN ALLOWANCE FOR BED AND BREAKFASTS AT 10 UNITS. MINI WAREHOUSES.
ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES, BEAUTY SHOPS, BARBERS, IT'S FAIRLY LIMITED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS WHICH FALLS UNDERSTOOD THE COMMERCIAL RURAL. WELL THAT, AGAIN, PHYSICAL YOU'LL HAVE ANYMORE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ASK THEM AND IF NOT,
I'LL ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL. >> CHAIR DEAN: ALL RIGHT.
BACK TO THE BOARD, IS THERE A MOTION?
>> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2022-80
[5. Public Hearing * CPA(SS) 2022-12 8465 County Road 208. ]
APPROVING CPA; 22-13 CRACKER SWAMP PROPERTIES BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACTS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.>> SECOND. >> CHAIR DEAN: ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE AND THAT'S APPROVED
3-0. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 5. >> GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING. I'M SCOTT CLAY, TWELVE 03 ARDMORE STREET, ST. AUGUSTINE. I'M REPRESENTS GERALD AND KATHLEEN MELTON REQUESTING A APPROVAL OF A SMALL CASE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. THIS REQUEST SEEK AS SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM RURAL CULTURE TO RESIDENTIAL A. THE SUBJECT PARCEL RUN AS ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE COUNTY ROAD 208 EAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 13 AND COUNTY ROAD 280, APPROVAL WOULD ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF ONE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ON THE 1.12-ACRE PARCEL. CURRENT ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY IS OPEN
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RURAL AND THIS CURRENT ZONING IS SUFFICIENT FOR THE NEEDS AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR REZONING. THE RURAL LAND USE REQUIRES 40 ACRES TO BUILD A HOME. WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL HOME TO BE BUILT ON THIS 1.12 ACRES. SINCE THE CURRENT LAST USE DESIGNATION WOULD NOT ALLOW THE CHANGE FOR LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY WILL ALLOW CONSTRUCTION FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE FROM THE PARCEL. THIS IS SLIDE IS A PICTURE OF THE PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL, 1.12 ACRE PARCEL.HERE HOSE HOW A HOME SITE MIGHT FIT ON THIS PARCEL. A ALL CURRENT BUILDING CODES TO ENSURE THAT THE CONSTRUCTION AND ELEVATION OF THE HOME MINIMIZES DAMAGE FROM ANY POTENTIAL FLOODING IN THIS AREA. THE PROPOSES SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ALREADY EXISTING LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ALONG COUNTY 2 A. SIMILAR HOME IT IS FOUND IN THIS EXISTING COMMUNITY. FINALLY, THIS PARCEL HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST AS FARM LAPPED, HERE ARE TWO SITE PHOTOS THAT SHOWS THIS PHOTO AS AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR THE FAMILY HOMESITE. OCTOBER 6TH, 2022, THE AGENCY VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH A VOTE OF 5-0. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT APPLICATION. QUESTIONS?
>> PUBLIC COMMENT? >> WE'LL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM FIVE. SEEING NONE, CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA
ITEM FIVE. >> CHAIR DEAN: ANY QUESTIONS
OR MOTIONS? >> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THIS IS MINE AGAIN. MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2022-81 PROVING
[6. Public Hearing * REZ 2022-15 289 0 Hilltop Road]
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 2022-12, 8.65 ACCORDING THE STAFF FINDINGS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASEVOTE, AND THAT'S APPROVED 3-0. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US, I BELIEVE, TO ITEMS 6. ITEM 6 IS EX-PARTE. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD
>> GIVE ME A SECOND, I CAN'T FIND MINE.
>> IT'S 82 YEARS HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR ME. AND YOU CAN IMAGINE THE CHANGES THAT I'VE SEEN. SO, ANYWAY, I THAT YOU CAN FOR AGREEING TO SERVE. I HAD WITH ME, WENDY BROWN. WENDY IS ONE OF OUR REALTORS AND SHE'S HANDLING THIS PROJECT FOR US.
EXCUSE ME. 25 YEARS AGO, MAY BE, HAMILTON CHURCH BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY TOGETHER. AND, SINCE THAT TIME, HE'S PASSED AWAY.
AND LEFT THE PROPERTY. HIS INTEREST TO HIS FAMILY. OKAY.
IT'S JUST GOT TO BE A MISTAKE THAT WAS MADE IN THE ZONING TO PUT COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURISTS IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
AND, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOESN'T AGREE WITH IT, SO, WE'RE ASKING TO CHANGE IT BACK SO THAT WE COULD DO A HOUSE ON IT.
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>> CHAIR DEAN: THANK YOU, ANY QUESTIONS OR PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 6?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN I'M SEEING NONE.
>> CHAIR DEAN: OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION, THIS IS IN DISTRICT THREE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2022.
>> 82. APPROVING REZONING, 2022 -- 15. 2890 HILL TOP ROAD
[7. Public Hearing * NZVAR 2022-10 Howard Family Non-Zoning Variance. ]
BASED ON FACTS PROVIDED BY THE STAFF REPORT.>> SECOND. >> CHAIR DEAN: MOTION AND A
SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.
>> WE ALL REMEMBER ARE THAT CHURCH WITH GREAT FONDNESS.
>> NUMBER 7. AND THAT WOULD BE MR. WHITHURST, FRONT AND CENTER.
>> CHAIR DEAN: EX-PARTE ON SEVEN?
>> YES, SIR. >> CHAIR DEAN: ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GO EX-PARTE ON 7, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'D A MEETING IN THE OFFICE YESTERDAY, NOVEMBER 14TH, 2022, AT 1:00 P.M. WITH JAMES WHITE HOUSE AND STAFF. WE DISCUSSED THE PROPERTY AND THE LOTS, THE SIDEWALK FUND AND THE ISSUE OF THERE NOT BEING A SIDEWALK THERE. AND COMMISSIONER WHITHURST?
>> I MET YESTERDAY AT 12:30 P.M. WITH MR. WHITHURST AND MR. ROBINSON IN THE ROOM. WE DISCUSSED THE SAME THING, THE DIVISION OF THE PARCEL OF THE LAND AND THE LACK OF THE SIDEWALK. THE LACK OF A PRESENCE OF THE SIDEWALK AND THE FUTURE PLANNING OF THAT SIDEWALK. I MET YESTERDAY AROUND 130 PIPELLE PIPELLE WITH MR. WHITHURST, AND THAT PRETTY MUCH CONCLUDED THAT DISCUSSION. SO, MR. WHITHURST.
>> THANK YOU, MR. KHMER, COMMISSIONERS FOR THE RECORDS JAMES WHITEHOUSE. I HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE FLORIDA BAR AS A BOARD CERTIFIED EXPERT AND SPECIALIST IN CITY, COUNTY, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW. I'M HERE ON BLUFF OF DR. AND HIS FAMILY.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL FOR REASONABLE RELIEF FROM THE CODE REQUIREMENTS OF FORMAL PLATTING AND SIDEWALK FUND PAYMENT. THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY IS JUST SOUTH OF WHERE 208 AND 13 COME TOGETHER. YOU COULD SEE WHERE THE PROPERTY IS DOWN HERE AND IT'S LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF 208, 13 INTERSECTION.
IT HAS ACCESS TO THE RIVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 13 AND IS EVIDENT FROM THE AERIAL OVER HERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY, LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE AREA OF 13. THE LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL PRDS ARE MADE UP OF LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL CLUSTERED IN CERTAIN AREAS AT TIMES. AS I SAID, THIS APPLICATION IS MADE UP ON BEHALF OF DR. HOWARD AND HIS FAMILY REQUIRING PLATTING AND FULL HOUSING SUBDIVISION PLANS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. IT WILL BE SPLIT AMONGST HIMSELF FOR THE FAMILY. WE INITIALLY MADE AN APPLICATION TO THE COUNTY TO PLAT THIS. OR HE DID BEFORE I WAS INVOLVED TO PLAT IT AND THEN WHEN WE GOT TO IT, THERE WAS A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE WHICH REQUIRE INTERIOR ROADS, UTILITIES, YOU KNOW, AND WHATNOT AND FIRE HYDRANTS, ET CETERA, OR WHATEVER. WHEN YOU DO FULL PLATTING, OUR CODE HAS A PROVISION THAT SAYS IF YOU DO A SPLIT INTO TWO LOTS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THESE, IF YOU DO TWO OR MORE, YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF A LARGE SUBDIVISION WHETHER THAT'S 50 OR A HUNDRED OR 20. SO, IN THAT CASE WE TALKED TO THE COUNTY AND PART OF IT WAS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE'VE DONE IN AREAS AROUND THE COUNTY WHERE SOMEBODY WANTS TO JUST DO THREE FOR A LOCAL DEVELOPMENT, NOT DEVELOPMENT BUT FOR LIKE THEIR FAMILY OR WHATNOT, NONZONING VARIANCE IS AN APPROPRIATE PROPERTY TO MAKE. THIS IS THE PROSIGNIFICANTS THEY WANT TO MAKE. AS YOU COULD SEE THE MIDDLE ONES OVER FIVE ACRES, THE ONE IN THE NORTH IS OVER THREE ACRES AND THE ONE IN THE SOUTH IS 2 AND 3 QUARTER ACRES. THEY WANT TO DO A SINGLE FAMILY
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RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING FOR THE THREE.HERE'S THE AREA THEM SHOWS YOU, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IS AROUND. THEY'RE DOING THREE AND SO, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT NON-ZONING VARIANCES. A NON-ZONING VARIANCE IS A CASE BY CASE DEVIATION TO THE RULES OF THIS CODE BY SHOWING A GOOD CAUSE, AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE CODE IS PROVIDED AS TO THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE. AS I SAID, IT'S TO GO TO THREE LOTS AND THE FACT IS THAT PLATTING IS NOT NECESSARY IN THIS RURAL WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE LOTS IN THE AREA MEET THE SAME TYPE OF QUALIFICATION. AS I SAID, IF THEY DIVIDED IT INTO TWO LOTS, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THIS. THE SECOND IS REQUEST OF REASON OF SECTION B 1 B WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE SIDEWALK FUND AND CURRENTLY, THE GOING RATE IS 113,000 PER LINEAR FEET OF SIDEWALK ALL UP AND DOWN WHERE THE PROPERTY BORDERS A MAJOR MINOR COLLECTORS. AND SO, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO NOT PUT A SIDEWALK THERE IF THERE'S NO SIDEWALK IN THE AREA. PART OF THE CODE READS TOO THAT THE BORED WILL CONSIDER ALLOWING THEM TO CONTRIBUTE INTO THE SIDEWALK FUND. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE SINCE HE OWNS 600 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON THAT ROAD, THE SPIRIT INTENT OF THE CODE IS TO SAY IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PUB DIVISION ON THIS SIDE THAT RUNS ADJACENT THAT WE DON'T WANT A FENCE OR A WALL WITHOUT ANYTHING, WITHOUT ANY SIDEWALK PEOPLE TO BE ABLE AS YOU SAW FROM OUR STAFF REPORT, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS, NONE ARE ANTICIPATED IN THE NEAR FUTURE, THEREFORE HE'S ASKING YOU TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE SIDEWALK FUND AS THE CODE ALLOWS. AS I SAID, THIS IS A MINER SPLIT INTO THREE. AND IF YOU DID TWO, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE IT AT ALL. SO, WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR INSTEAD OF CONTRIBUTING MORE THAN $5,000. HE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A LARGE CONTRIBUTION, OF $10,000 WHICH SEEMS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE AREAND A THE MINOR PROVISION HE'S ASKING FOR. AND YOUR STAFF REPORT AS WELL AS IN MY APPLICATION, I WENT THROUGH THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR NON-ZONING VARIANCE, AND I BELIEVE IT MEETS IT AND AS I SAID, HERE WE'RE AND WE WOULD ASK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF THIS AND I'LL ANSWER QUESTION QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
>> THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM SEVEN.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. MOTION TO APPROVAL THE NONZONING VARIANCE HOWARD FAMILY NONZONING VARIANCE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO SECTION 5.01.01 C TO REQUEST FOR LEAVE OF SECTION 6.02.06.B.1 B REQUESTING RELIEVE FROM PAYMENT
[8. Public Hearing * VACROA 22-08 Columbus Street (Spanish Forest) - Public Hearing to vacate a portion of Columbus Street and of Woodlawn Street. ]
AT THE CURRENT RATE BASED ON SIX FINDINGS, AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SEXED, PLEASE VOTE.
>> AND THAT PASSES 3-0. NUMBER EIGHT. UM, NUMBER 8, EX-PARTE.
>> NUMBER 8. GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING, STILL.
>> I NEED HELP WITH THE PRESENTATION.
>>> OKAY. CHRISTINA EVANS WITH DESIGN GROUP, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE, I'M RECOVERING FROM A COLD. I'M REPRESENTING THE REQUEST FOR THE ROAD WAY FOR PORTIONS OF COLUMBUS STREET AND
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WOOD LAWN STREET. WE'VE COMPLETED ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ROAD VACATION REQUEST INCLUDING THE PETITION FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. THE ROADWAY VACATION AREA INTERSECTS WITH THE FPL EASEMENT SO WE'VE RECEIVED CONSENT FROM THEM AND THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS AND THEY'VE RECEIVED UTILITY CLEARANCE LETTERS FROM ANY OTHER UTILITY PROVIDERS IN THE AREA.THE COUNTY HAS NO PLANS TO CONSTRUCT OR IMPROVE THESE ROADWAYS RIGHT NOW. WE RECEIVED NO OBJECTIONS FROM STAFF DURING THEIR REVIEW. THIS IS PART OF, UM, A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THIS PROPERTY WAS REZONED TO WORK FORCE HOUSING IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, SO, THERE'S A CONCEPT TOOL SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE ROADWAY VACATION IN YELL AND CROSSES THROUGH THE WETLAND CONSERVATION AREA. WE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. STAFF BELIEVES NO PARTY WILL BE UNREASONABLY AFFECTED AND WE REQUEST APPROVAL. THANK YOU.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA
ITEM 8. >> SEEING NONE MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 8.
>> I'LL MOVE ITEM 8, MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2022.
>> 438. >> CHAIR DEAN: APPROVING THE
[9. Public Hearing * VACROA 2022-04 - Public Hearing to vacate a portion of unopened Rosewood Street right-of-way.]
VACROA, 2022-08 COLUMBUS STREET AND SPANISH FOR REST, A PETITION TO VACATE A PORTION OF COLUMBUS STREET AND WOOD LAWN STREET WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE, THAT PASSES 3-0,AND THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 9. >> .
>> CHAIR DEAN: ITEM NINE. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, FOR THE RECORD, DOUG BURNET, ST. JOHN'S LAW GROUP. HERE TODAY WITH WHAT'S HOPEFULLY A PRETTY NEAT PROJECT RELATED TO A LOCAL VET PRACTICE. IF YOU LOOK AT ANASTASIA ISLAND. IN THAT CENTER IS A VET CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THIS LOCATION. THEY HAVE BOUGHT A PARCEL WHICH IS ZONED COMMERCIAL. IT'S CHT, COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURISTS. IT WORKS GREAT FOR THEIR USE. THIS SITE HAS HAD A BILLBOARD ON IT FOR MANY, MANY, YEARS, ONE OF THOSE BIG TWO-SIDED BILLBOARDS, THEY BOUGHT THAT SITE AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO OBJECT SANE A VACATION OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF THE AREAS SHOWN IN YELLOW NEXT TO THEM. IN THIS OVERHEAD, YOU COULD SEE THE AREA OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY SHADED IN RED AND YOU COULD ALSO SEE THE BILLBOARD ON THE RIGHT SIDE. IF YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO BE LOCATED, THAT IS LAND BY TOM AND LARRYAND LARRY MORETON. THERE'S A CONSENT JOINER SIGNED BY MR. AND MRS. MORETON AND THEY'VE CONSENTED AND JOINED IN THIS PETITION TO VACATE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. SO, UM, IT AND OVERALL, YOU CAN SEE THE DELMAR PARCEL AND THE MORMORTON THE MORTON'S CONSIDERED A JOINT IN ON THIS. AND JUST SO FOR CURIOSITY'S SAKE, IF YOU WERE WONDERING WHEN THIS LOOKS LIKE, THIS IS A SITE PLAN THAT DELMAR WITH GO THROUGH. IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FROM A BOUNDARY PERSPECTIVE TO CHANGE THEIR SITE PLAN, BUT, WHAT I'LL TELL YOU IT DOES ALLOW OBVIOUSLY THIS ACCESS TO COME AROUND THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND GO OUT. ONE THING THAT DOES CHANGE, WHEN THEY OWNED TO THE CENTER AS DEPICTED HERE. YOU WIND UP WITH AN INCOMPATIBILITY BUFFER
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BECAUSE NOW THE SITE IS NEXTDOOR TO RESIDENTIAL LAND RATHER THAN TO HE SITE BEING NEXT DOOR TO RIGHT-OF-WAY. SO, THERE'S BENEFIT FROM THE MORTON'S STAND POINT, OBVIOUSLY, IT GIVES THEM A LITTLE MORE LAND. AND THAT'S IT. YOU COULD SEE THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE ON THE LEFT AND HIS WIFE THAT RUN THE PRACTICE AND ONE KIND OF COOL THING THAT THEY'RE PROUD OF IS THEIR FEAR FREE CERTIFIED PRACTICE, BIG THING IN THE INDUSTRY THESE DAYS ACTUALLY SIT ON THE GROUND WITH YOUR PET AND DO THINGS TO STIMULATE THE PET SO IT'S NOT NERVOUS WHEN TREATED. WITH THAT, I'LL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONSTHAT YOU HAVE. >> CHAIR DEAN: I HAVE A
>> CHAIR DEAN: DO YOU WANT THAT BILLBOARD TO BE REMOVED.
>> THAT'S INTERESTING, BUT, NOW THEY OWN THE LAND, THEY OWN THE
BILLBOARD. >> THAT'S KIND OF A PERSONAL
QUESTION. >> HEARING PUBLIC COMMENT ON
AGENDA ITEM NINE. MR. MCNERNE? >> JOE MCNERNE. I LIKE THE PROJECT, I WANT IT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AND MAY BE SOMEONE CAN CLARIFY FOR ME, VACATING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, IS THAT CURRENTLY PUBLIC PROPERTY, OR IS THAT AN EASEMENT SO TO SPEAK, ON PRIVATE PROPERTY? AND MY POINT HERE IS THAT THE PUBLIC, I HOPE THAT THE PUBLIC IS NOT GIVING UP IT'S LAND WITHOUT COST TO SOMEONE ACQUIRING IT. SO, I'M JUST
CONFUSED ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. >> CHAIR DEAN: GOOD QUESTION.
MIKE? MIKE HERE OR SOMEONE THAT MAY BE CAN SPEAK TO THAT? WHO OWNS THE EASEMENT? LET'S HEAR FROM THE STAFF FIRST.
>> GOOD MORNING, BEN WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT MANAGEMENT. THAT IS A PUBLICLY DEDICATED RIGHT-OF-WAY AND IT IS UNDER COUNTY CONTROL. THE ROAD VI INDICATION PROCESS IS GUIDED BY STATE STATUTE. AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE MAY BE ABLE TO CHIME IN ABOUT THAT, BUT, I DON'T BELIEVE SINCE IT'S A COUNTY DEDICATED RIGHT-OF-WAY, IF WE GIVE UP OUR RIGHTS TO IT, WE CAN GET MONETARY VALUE FOR IT. I DON'T THINK IT WORKS THAT
WAY. >> OKAY. THAT ANSWERS THAT.
>> WE'RE STILL IN PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE STILL IN PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. MIGUT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT?
>> SURE, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THIS ONE, BUT, IN THE PAST IN MY RESEARCH, THE STATUTE IS SILENT BUT THERE ARE SOME ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS THAT SUGGEST LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CANNOT USE THIS AS A PROFIT MAKING ENDEAVOR, IF THEY CHOOSE TO VACATE IT, THEY COULDN'T CHARGE A FEE ON THAT. WE CAN NOT LEGALLY CHARGE MONEY FOR SOMEONE IF THEY REQUEST US TO VACATE A
RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> CHAIR DEAN: WE CAN DENY
IT? >> CORRECT, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO DENY OR NOT VACATE. BUT, IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO VACATE, YOU CAN NOT
COMMISSION IT ON THE MONEY. >> ISN'T IT WORTH SOMETHING LIKE WHAT IS THE VALUE TO THE PUBLIC IF WE OWN IT?
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, THAT'S PART OF THE DETERMINATION, IF THE COUNTY HAS ANY USE FOR IT OR FUTURE PLANS FOR IT. THAT'S PART OF THE DECISION ON WETHER OR NOT TO VACATE A RIGHT-OF-WAY.
AND YOU KNOW, STAFF'S DONE THE RESEARCH ON THAT AND IT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE WETHER OR NOT TO DO SO. BUT, THAT SHOULD BE CONTEMPLATED AS DECIDING WETHER OR NOT TO VACATE IT.
>> CHAIR DEAN: IN MY LAYMAN'S TERMS, I WOULD SAY THAT WE COULD USE IT IF THERE'S A PUBLIC USE, WE CAN'T SELL IT. WE CAN GIVE IT AWAY. THAT'S THE STATE LAW, SO, I THINK WE'RE STUCK WITH THAT. SO, IS THAT SORT OF CORRECT?
>> MR. SLAVEN. >> CHAIR DEAN: I ALWAYS LIKE
TO CHECK WITH MY LAWYER. >> WELL, I THINK HE'S RIGHT ON THIS OCCASION. ED SLAVEN, BOX 3084, APPARENTLY, FLORIDA LAW SAYS WE CAN'T CHARGE TO CLAIM A ROAD. I THINK WE AUTO INCLUDE IN HOUR ST. JOHNS COUNTY LEGISLATIVE PLAN ASKING THE THE LEGISLATURE TO ALLOW US TO CHARGE TO VACATE A ROAD. I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPENED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN BOTH INITITY
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BITTY CITIES, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE VALUE OF LAND THAT'S GIVEN AWAY FOR FREE BECAUSE THE STATE LAW SAYS WE CAN'T CHARGE WHEN WE VACANT A ROAD. ON THIS OCCASION, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DENY THIS REQUEST. THERE'S NO PUBLIC BENEFIT, NONE AT ALL.AND THANK YOU CHAIRMAN DEAN FOR RAISING THE ISSUE ABOUT THE BILLBOARD. I THINK THAT I SHALL NEVER SEE A BILLBOARD AS LOVELY AS A TREE AND IF THE BILLBOARDS DO NOT FALL, I MAY NOT SEE A TREE AT ALL. AND IT'S A MAC MCLEOD BILLBOARD, AND HE'S THE GUY THAT SUED RUSTY RAY ROGERS AND TIED UP IN THE COURTS FOR FIVE YEARS AN ETHICAL FDL AGENT WHO SIMPLY DID HIS JOB WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOR. WE HAD TWO JUDGES, A FEDERAL JUDGE FOUND PROBABLY CAUSE. YET, THERE'S A FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT BY MAC MCLEOD WHOSE BILLBOARD THIS IS. WHERE IS THE PUBLIC BENEFIT? AND I THINK YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CHARGE FOR A ROAD VACATION, BUT, COULD YOU PLEASE ASK LEARNED COUNSEL TO GET THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION. CAN WE CONDITION A STREET VACATION ON THE REMOVAL OF AN OFFENSIVE BILLBOARD. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS MR. SLAVEN.
>> BJ, CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. A LOT OF VACATION OF THESE LITTLE ROADS IN THE CITY AND IN THE COUNTY. IN THE CITY, I'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION FOR AWHILE. AND EVEN THOUGH WE CAN NOT CHARGE. I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A WAY THAT WE CAN PUT ON A CONDITION THAT, WHEN YOU GIVE ROADS AWAY THAT BELONG TO THE PUBLIC, THERE'S AN INSURANCE LIABILITY BECAUSE IF SOMEONE IS ON THAT ROAD, AND SOMETHING HAPPENS, CAN THEY COME BACK AND SUE THE CITY OR THE COUNTY? AND, I BELIEVE, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, THERE'S NO WAY, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THE WORLD. NO WAY. BUT, I DIGRESS, THEY DO RIGHT AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WILL PUT INSURANCE ON IT LIKE $100,000 OR $300, SO THAT WE MAY NOT BE LIABLE. I MAY BE WRONG ON THAT, LIKE SIDES, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY AND NEVER WILL BE. SO, THAT THAT WOULD BE COVERED IN THE CASE THAT SOMEBODY'S OVER THERE OR DO THEY JUST GO AND SUE THE OWNER NOW OF THE VET OF THE LITTLE DOGGY. IF ANYONE CAN ANSWER THAT, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. THANKS.
>> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> CHAIR DEAN: I'LL MOVE ITEM NINE, MOTION TO ADOPT 2022-439
[10. Public Hearing * VACROA 2022-09 - Public Hearing vacating a portion of unopened right-of-way of Lightsey Road Extension north of Lightsey Road Extension and east of Plantation Lake Drive.]
APPROVING THE VETERINARY HOSPITAL IN THE PETITION TO VACATION A PORTION OF ROSEWOOD STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY.>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT IS APPROVED.
> >> CHAIR DEAN: OKAY. ITEM 10 IS THE ROAD EXTENSION. AND WE HAVE MR. HART.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> IS IT STILL MORNING?
>> GOOD MORNING. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, CURTIS HART, 8051 TERRE RAH LANE. THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE VACATION OF A ROAD, SORRY, I'VE HEARD SO MANY OF THEM TODAY. LIGHTSEY ROAD EXTENSION. WE'RE VACATING THE PART OF LIGHTSEY ROAD WHICH IS ON OUR PROPERTY. AND WE'RE BUILDING FOR THE FIRST TIME, UM, A ROAD THAT WILL SERVE ALL PROPERTY ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS, INCLUDING THOSE THAT ARE SERVED BY A DIRT ROAD NOW. THE LOCATION IS OFF OF 207 AND THESE ARE THE PORTIONS THAT WE'RE
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VACATING. THERE'S OWNERS BEFORE US AND IN BETWEEN US THAT WE'RE NOT VACATING BUT IMPROVING. WE'RE PUTTING WATER SEWAGE DRAINAGE AND PAVING IT. WE HAVE ALSO PAID FOR OUR IMPACTS WE HAVE PAID INTO THE TRAFFIC FUND OF $185,000 FOR A RED LIGHT AT 207 AND LIGHTSEY ROAD. THIS IS THE PORTION THAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO VACATE. AND, IF YOU'LL SEE, THE NEW ALIGNMENT, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST REALIGNING THE ROAD AND VACATING THE DIRT PORTION AND PAVING A NEW LIGHTSEY ROAD ROAD COMPLETELY.ANY QUESTIONS? RESULTS WILL BE AN IMPROVED ENGINEER PAVED ROAD WITH DRAINAGE. AND, WE'RE CON CURRENTLY PLATTING ARBOR'S AT LIGHTSEY ROAD CROSSING. AND YOU HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THAT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THIS IS A FOLLOWUP WITH THAT PLATTING
PROCESS. ANY QUESTIONS? >> I'VE NONE. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD DOESN'T HAVE QUESTIONS. I'LL OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM
10? >> I'M SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> MR. WHITHURST? >> YES, SIR.
>> I JUST WANTED TO CHIME IN ON SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT FOR FOR THE BOARDS EDIFICATION. IS WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO VOID A RIGHT-OF-WAY IT GOES BACK TON THE TAX ROLL. WHILE WE CAN NOT CHARGE MONEY FOR A VACATION, A VACATION WOULD GENERATE MORE AD VALOREM TAX REVENUE TO THE COUNTY. SO, THAT'S ONE FACTOR ON COSTS ASSOCIATEDED WITH THIS. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO
THE BOARD'S ATTENTION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'RE DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT AND BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> OKAY. I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. MOEGS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2022-440, APPROVING
[11. Public Hearing * PUD 2022-15 Katepally Family Community Commercial. ]
THE 2022-09 LIGHTSEY ROAD EXTENSION, A PETITION TO VACATE A PORTION OF LIGHTSEY ROAD ROAD EXTENSION RIGHT-OF-WAY.>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. >> AND THAT'S APPROVED 3-0. I THINK THAT TAKES US TO 11 AND I BELIEVE MR. WHITEHOUSE IS FRONT
AND CENTER AGAIN. >> AND MR. CHAIR, THERE'S EX-PARTE DISCLOSURES REQUIRED ON THIS ITEM.
>> CHAIR DEAN: OKAY. COMMISSION ARNOLD? EX-PARTE ON
LECH? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAD A MEETING AT OUR OFFICE YESTERDAY AT APPROXIMATELY 1:00 P.M. ON NOVEMBER 14TH, WE DISCUSSED THE PARCEL AND THE MINI WAREHOUSE FACILITY AND GENERALLY, THE USES FOR THE
PIECE OF LAND TO REZONE. >> YES?
>> YES, I THREW AWAY THE WRONG EX-PARTE SHEET.
>> I MET YESTERDAY, SAME MEETING WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE. WE DISCUSSED THE ITEMS THAT COMMISSION ARNOLD ADDRESSED.
SPECIFICALLY, WHAT WERE THE BORDERING PROPERTIES DOING WITH THEIR PROPERTIES AND WHAT WERE THE FUTURE PLANS FOR THIS AREA.
>> AND I ALSO MET YESTERDAY AROUND 1:30 WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE AND DISCUSSED THOSE ISSUES WHICH WERE JUST MENTIONED. AND THAT
COMPLETES MY EX-PARTE. >> I'M JAMES WHITEHOUSE, ST.
JOHNS LAW GROUP HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. I'M HERE BEHALF OF THE FAMILY WHO OWN THIS PROPERTY, AND THIS IS ALREADY LOCATED, ACTUALLY, LET ME TALK ABOUT WHERE IT'S LOCATED FIRST, IT'S LOCATED JUST TO THE NORTHEAST OF WHERE LONG LEAF PARKWAY 23 TWO 10 AND 16 COME TOGETHER. IT'S ALREADY IN A COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL LAND USE THAT WAS CHANGED BY THE COMMISSION ABOUT A YEAR AND-A-HALF OR TWO YEARS AGO.
AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO COMMUNIY COMMERCIAL WHICH IS ON THE INTERSECTION OF LONG LEAF PARKWAY WHERE TWO 10 AND 16-A COME TOGETHER. AND IF Y'ALL KNOW THIS AREA, THERE'S A LIGHT RIGHT HERE. THE ZONING IS OPEN RURAL CURRENTLY AND IT'S RIGHT
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NEXT TO A PUD. THE PUD IS THE GRAND CREEK PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT 2018-11 AND BOTH OF THE PORTIONS IT'S NEXT TO ARE THE COMMERCIAL PORTIONS OF THE PUD. THIS REQUEST IS TO APPROVE A REZONING FROM OR TO PUD FOR THE PERMITTED COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL USES ALLOWED IN THIS LAND USE. ON THIS SITE, WHICH IS RELATIVELY SMALL, THEY INTEND TO DO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL USES AS ALLOWED. AS I SAID, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A PUD THAT HAS COMMERCIAL USES ON THE INTERSECTION. THIS IS, AS FROM YOUR PACKET AND STAFF REVIEW, THIS IS A COPY OF THE PROPOSED PUD, AS YOU COULD SEE ON THIS PARTICULAR RENDITION, THIS AREA IS ALL WETLANDS ON THE WESTERNISH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THERE. THEY'RE NOT HAVING ANY WETLAND IMPACT AND THEY'RE PRESERVING ALL THE WETLANDS AND MOVED THEIR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE AND THEY'RE RESERVING FUTURE RESERVED RIGHT-OF-WAY AS THE COUNTY REQUESTED ALONG 210.AGAIN. UM, I KIND OF OUTLINED WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE. AND WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE AND THERE ARE WETLANDS THAT RUN ALONG THE BACK EDGE OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL. IN THE BACK IS WHERE THEY WILL HAVE THE PROPOSED BOAT AND RV STORAGE.
THEY MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE NORTHWEST SECTOR PLAN.
WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, AND, THAT COMMUNITY MEETING THERE WAS ONE PERSON WHO ATTENDED AND THAT ATTENDEE WAS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO THE EAST. AND HE JUST WANT THE TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE, AND MOST LIKELY BECAUSE IT WAS A COUPLE PARCELS TO THE EAST. HE DOESN'T LIVE THERE. IT'S FURTHER AWAY FROM WHERE THE PROPERTY IS ON ANOTHER PARCEL.
HE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON SO THAT HE KNEW WHAT TO COWITH HIS PROPERTY. THERE'S ONLY ONE WAIVER REQUESTED AND THAT REQUEST IS TO ALLOW ELECTRONIC ACCESS SECURITY. AND IT TALKS ABOUT HAVING A PERSON ON THE SITE TO MAINTAIN SECURITY AND, A LOT OF THE BOAT AND RV STORAGE APPLICATIONS REMAIN IN THE RECENT PAST WE'VE ASKED FOR THIS WAIVER AS YOU'LL SEE FROM THE PUD ITSELF, THERE'S THE ABILITY TO HAVE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO HAVE A PERSON PROVIDE SECURITY IF THAT COMES UP IN THE FUTURE, BUT, AT THIS POINT THEY ASK FOR THE WAIVER SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT AND PROVIDE FOR ELECTRONIC SECURITY.
AND AGAIN, AS I SAID, THE STAFF REVIEWED THIS AND WE PROVIDED ALL OF THE DISCUSSION AS TO HOW IT MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND POLICIES, THE SCENIC EDGE WILL BE PROVIDED AS PROVIDED BY THE NORTHWESTERN SECTOR POLICY.
WE HAD A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. SO, THE RESPECT FOR REQUEST TO APPROVE IS THE APPLICATION FOR PUD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 11 AT
THIS TIME. >> JOE MCNERNE. I SUPPORT THIS. THERE'S ALREADY ZONING IN PLACE FOR COMMERCIAL AT THAT NODE AND WHERE YOU DO HAVE A CROSS ROADS AT THE NODE THAT'S THE PLACE TO PUT COMMERCIAL IN MY OPINION. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THEY TAUGHT US IN ARCHITECTURE SCHOOL. I'M PROBABLY MISREMEMBER LING, DOUG, YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING A YEAR EARLIER, I REMEMBER LOOKING AT THIS, I BELIEVE AND AS AN ARCHITECT, MAKING HOW TO COMBINE THE LOTS AND EXPLORE THAT WITH ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT, THAT'S FINE, THEY WILL WORK EVERYTHING OUT. I THINK THE ONLY REASON I'M UP HERE IS TO POINT OUT TO COMMISSIONERS THAT THAT SEGMENT OF 210 WEST IS OPERATING 152.3% OVER CAPACITY. AND LET'S DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT ONE AT A TIME, WE CAN'T JUST LOOK AT THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT, WE CAN'T LOOK AT THINGS ONE AT A TIME.
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THIS ONE'S OKAY. THIS ONE'S OKAY. AND THIS ONE'S OKAY. AND THEN, OH, MY GOSH, THAT'S HOW WE GET AT 152%. I DON'T KNOW WHAT AFFECT THIS COULD HAVE OR SHOULD HAVE ON THIS PROPERTY. YOU SEE THE CROSS ROADS NODE. BUT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, 210 WEST, IT NEEDS HELP. AND, I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS THE WAY TO GO.IN THAT REGARD. SO, I LEAVE IT TO YOU. IT'S A TOUGH DECISION.
THANK YOU. (INAUDIBLE) >> (INAUDIBLE).
>> CHAIR DEAN: WORKING DAYS WHICH IS A GOOD, ACCURATE DESCRIPTION. NUMBER TWO, I THINK THAT WE'VE MADE A GOOD ADVANCEMENT ON THIS ISSUE WITH THE APPROVAL OF A PROJECT THAT DEDICATED $40 MILLION TO OUTSIDE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AROUND THEIR DEVELOPMENT. SO, WITH THAT SAID, I COULDN'T RESIST.
>> IN LEBINOSKI. >> CHUCK LEBINOSKI, I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS UNIT WILL BE A SINGLE STORY AND I'M GLAD IT'S NOT A MULTIPLE STORY APPROVED PREVIOUSLY. MY CONCERN IS WHAT TYPE OF SIGN IS GOING IF THERE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED ON 16 WHERE IT'S A GIANT BILLBOARD ON 16 AT A SINGLE STORY FACILITY. IT'S NOT NEEDED. WE NEED TO LOOK AT RAH KIND OF SIGN IS GOING IN. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. LEBINOSKI. >> MR. SLAVEN. WELCOME BACK.
>> HELLO, ED SLAVEN, I OPPOSE THE PROJECT, I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A WAIVER OF THE ATTENDANT ON PRAM FOR THE STORAGE UNIT. THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN IN THESE STORAGE UNITS. AND IF THERE'S NOT A PERSON ON SITE, THIS COULD BE CRIMES. IF IT'S DECIDED LATER TO HAVE A PERSON ON SITE, WE GRANT WAY TOO MANY WAIVERS AND AS THE PRIOR TESTIMONY ESTABLISHED, THE ROADS ARE BEYOND CAPACITY. SO, YOU'RE PUTTING MORE CAPACITY ON THE ROADS. AND ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE GOING A PUD, AND YOU KNOW WHAT CATHY BROWN SAID ABOUT PUD'S, THERE'S A SNEAKY WAY OF GETTING AROUND ZONING. AND THERE'S NO PUBLIC BENEFIT. I DON'T SEE A PUBLIC BENEFIT FROM THE WAIVER AND I DON'T SEE A BENEFIT FROM THE PUD, AND I THINK THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO GET TOUGH AND STOP RUBBER STAMPING EVERYTHING THAT COMES IN FRONT OF YOU FROM THESE INFLUENTIAL
LAW FIRMS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE ON PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM 11?
>> IS THERE A MOTION? >> YES, SIR, I HAVE A MOTION BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC WHICH IS ALWAYS A PRIMARY CONCERN. SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES CAN ACTUALLY CAPTURE THE TRAFFIC FROM AROUND THE AREA, SO THAT IT DOESN'T SPILL INTO OTHER ROADS AND DOESN'T CREATE TRAFFIC IN OTHER AREAS, SO, I DEFINITELY TOOK TRAFFIC INTO CONSIDERATION. WITH THAT SAID, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2022-83 PROVING PUD 2025 -- 15 SUBJECT
[14. St. Johns County, Florida Special Obligation Revenue Note Series 2022A and Amendment to Master Purchase Agreement with Motorola Solutions, Inc. ]
TO 9 FINDINGS OF FACT AS SHOWN IN THE STAFF REPORT.>> SECOND. >> CHAIR DEAN: ALL RIGHT.
PLEASE VOTE, AND THAT'S APPROVED, 3-0.
>> OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 14. WE HAVE TWO MAJOR ITEMS THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED. ONE IS ITEM 14, THE OTHER WILL BE A PRESENTATION IN SOME DEPTH FROM STAFF REGARDING HURRICANE NICOLE IMPACTS IN JUST A SECOND. HOLD ON. AND SO, IT'S A QUARTER TILL 12, I HAVE A THOUGHT I WANT TO SHARE AND SEE IF YOU GUYS WANT TO AGREE, AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO TAKE ME UP ON IT. I WANT AND I THINK THAT WE'VE HAD A FULL MORNING, I WOULD LIKE TO BREAK FOR LUNCH. BUT, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME THAT I THOUGHT WE MIGHT OFFER TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND GET THAT DONE NOW AND AGAIN GO TO LUNCH AND COME BACK ON 14 AND THE BEACH PRESENTATION OR THE HURRICANE PRESENTATION. OR WE CAN WAIT AND DO THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END. BUT, IF SOMEONE GAVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT NOW, I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY AT THE END OF THE MEETING. BUT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WOULD WANT TO DO THAT NOW. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? I DON'T CARE, I WAS JUST TRYING TO USE UP SOME TIME AND
GET US TO LUNCH. >> SO, YOU WANT TO DO
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NON-AGENDA COMMENT NOW? >> IF YOU WANT TO.
>> IF NO ONE HAS GIVEN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END OF OUR MEETING, THEY CAN COME UP AND DO IT THEN. I'M GIVING THEM A CHANCE TO OFFER IT TWO DIFFERENT TIMES NOT TO OFFER IT TWICE.
I'M JUST THINKING DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT NOW? YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT NOW, YOU CAN DO IT AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
BUT, IF YOU WANT TO, I WANTED TO OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT NOW BEFORE BREAKING FOR LUNCH AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND DO ITEM 14 AND THEN STAFF REPORTS WHICH INCLUDE A PRESENTATION ON THE HURRICANE. SO, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT NOW BUT IF YOU DO IT NOW, THAT'S YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT
FOR THE DAY. >> JOE MCNERNE, 1005 BLACKBERRY
LANE. >> CHAIR DEAN: DO WE NEED TO
READ THE CAVEAT? >> I'M HAPPY TO READ THE
DISCLAIM. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. AS EVERYBODY KNOWS REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD, COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, EACH MEMBER WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND FINALLY, I WOULD ASK THAT ANYBODY THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL, PLEASE PROVIDE THAT TO THE OFFICE OF THE CLERK OF THE COURT. THANK
YOU. MR. MCNERNE YOUR TURN. >> JOE MCNERNE. I HAVE LOST IN THE TRANSLATION IS MY APPRECIATION TO MR. CONRAD AND NOW I'VE LEARNED, MRS. ANDREWS FOR THE WHICH IN WHICH THE 2023 LIEGE SLATETIVE ACTION PLAN HAS BEEN FOR MATTED, I HAVE CRUNCHED THE NUMBERS YEAR AFTER YEAR AS WE GET THE REPORTS, VERY TEDIOUS, GOING THROUGH 98 PAGES AND TRYING TO READ WHAT THOSE ARE. AND THAT'S BEEN GREATLY SIMPLIFIED AND GREATLY SIMPLIFIED, IT'S VERY USER-FRIENDLY. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PRESENTATION. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I AGREE WITH NECESSARILY, ALL OF THE FINDINGS OR WITH THE PRIORITIES, BUT, THAT'S FOR ANOTHER HOUR AND-A-HALF'S DISCUSSION. I'LL MEET ANYONE, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT, I DID NOT WANT IT TO BE UNNOTICED THAT MR. CONRAD AND MRS. ANDREWS HAVE DONE GREAT WORK PUTTING THIS PLAN TOGETHER AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> CHAIR DEAN: ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY DO PUBLIC COMMENT NOW?
>> AND AGAIN, THIS IS NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> THANK YOU. >> BJ CLAY, WEST CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE. I KNOW THAT YOU PROBABLY CAN'T READ THIS, BUT, I'M ALLUDING TO IT AND I'LL TURN IT IN. THIS IS AN E-MAIL DATED SEPTEMBER 21, 2022, FROM JIM MCGILL, PRESIDENT, STOGEN INDUSTRIAL TO COUNY COMMISSIONERS. THE DAY AFTER THE ELTON INDUSTRIAL PARK DEVELOPMENT WAS DENIED BY THIS BOARD. HIS LANGUAGE, THROUGHOUT THIS E-MAIL CONCERNED ME. SUCH AS, WHITE, AFFLUENT, NOT CONCERNED ABOUT LESS FORTUNATE.
AWFUL IF WE DON'T MAKE THIS WORK FOR CAN WORK WELL TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS A GOOD OUTCOME. MR. MCGILL'S COMMENTS SOUND LIKE MR. SHIS, WHO WROTE, NOT GOING TO LET THIS REST EASILY, END QUOTE. IN HIS E-MAIL, SEPTEMBER 20, 2022, AT 11:00 P.M. TO THE BOARD. THE PUBLIC WHO SPOKE AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT NEED TO ASK FOR A COPY OF THIS E-MAIL AND PLEASE STAY AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. NOW, THE OTHER THING IS WHERE IN THE COUNTY, THIS IS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE AWARE OF. WHERE IN THE COUNTY WILL BUILDING FOR THE HOMELESS BE CONSTRUCTED? PLEASE LISTEN TO ITEM 13-A FROM NOVEMBER 14TH, LAST NIGHT, CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE COMMISSION MEETING COMMENTS BY THE CITY MANAGER. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO STAY INVOLVED IN THIS. BECAUSE THERE'S SOME PLACES WHICH WILL BE IN THE COUNTY IF I UNDERSTOOD WHO WAS BEING SAID. LET ME THANK ALL
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TAXPAYERS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE SALES TAX NOVEMBER 8TH. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE VOTED FOR IT, BUT, WE WON. NOW IS THE TIME FOR THIS BOARD TO MOVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF OUR AGENDAS. AND HOPEFULLY, WHENEVER THE OTHER COMMISSIONER SITS UP THERE, AND YOU REJUGGLE EVERYTHING, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE REJUGGLED TODAY, HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BETAKEN CARE OF. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, SEEING NONE, SO, WE'LL CLOSE NON-AGENDA
>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL RECONVENE THE COMMISSION MEETING AND START WITH ITEM 14.
>> YES, GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAIRMAN DEAN, COMMISSIONERS, JESSE DUNN, DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT, AS WELL AS THE OTHER PORTION OF MY JOB WHICH IS CONTRACTS AND PROCUREMENT. TODAY ITEM 14 IS GOING TO CONSIDER TWO MOTIONS, ONE IS TO CONSIDERATION TO AMEND OUR CURRENT SINGLE SOURCE CONTRACT WITH MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS AND THEN THE OTHER IS TO CONSIDER A FINANCING COMPONENT RELATED TO THAT AMENDMENT.
JUST KIND OF TO BRING US FORWARD, KIND OF A FAST TRACK AND FROM SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT EARLIER, I JOTTED DOWN A COUPLE NOTES. I WAS HERE IN 2011 WHEN WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT, THE COUNTY WENT OUT AND PROCURED THE ORIGINAL RADIO TOWER.
MAYBE TO BRING CONTEXT WHY WE'RE HERE AND WHY THE APPROACH HAS BEEN TAKEN.
WHAT WE KNOW IN DECEMBER OUR OPERABLE RADIO COMPONENTS AS WE PURCHASED DURING THIS LARGER SYSTEM 10 YEARS AGO HAVE REACHED THE END OF THEIR LIFE AND NO LONGER SUPPORTED.
THAT'S DECEMBER 31ST, 2022. IT'S CERTAINLY, DOESN'T MEAN THE RADIOS TURN OFF.
THEY ARE STILL USEABLE BUT NO LONGER SUPPORTED. I THINK IN OUR EVERYDAY WORLD WHEN WE EVEN WITH OUR OWN PHONES AND OUR OWN COMPUTERS, WHEN YOU THINK OF AN ITEM YOU HAVE THAT IS NO LONGER SUPPORTED, IT'S TIME TO START THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS OUR NEXT STEP.
AND SPECIFICALLY WITH AN INOPERABLE RADIO SYSTEM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MAJOR INVESTMENT THE COUNTY DID 10 YEARS AGO RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATION.
AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS, THIS CERTAINLY CAME OUT, THE BOARD ASKED US TO APPROPRIATE FUNDING TOWARDS THIS. IN SEPTEMBER RIGHT AFTER THE FINAL ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET, WE STARTED FORWARD ON THIS FOR TWO ITEMS. ONE TO SECURE BORROWING.
WE SAW INTEREST RATES STARTING TO CREEP UP AND WANTED TO GET THROUGHOUT AND SECURE OUR RATE WHICH WE HAVE AND I WILL PRESENT AND THEN AS WELL, KNOWING THIS DECEMBER 31ST DATE WAS COMING, WE WANTED TO MINIMIZE THE TIME THAT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY STAFF WERE UTILIZING UNSUPPORTED TECHNOLOGIES. SO, THIS CERTAINLY ISN'T A LAST-MINUTE ITEM AT ALL.
THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED OVER THE LAST YEAR.
BASED ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT THIS MORNING, BACK IN 2009-2010. THERE WAS AN FCC MANDATE.
THIS WAS A FEDERAL MANDATE REGARDING BANDWIDTH IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AS OTHER COUNTIES WERE REQUIRED TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO SUPPORT THEIR RADIO SYSTEM. THE BANDWIDTH CHANGED AND THE CHIEF CAN SPEAK ABOUT THIS. THE DRUMS STARTED TO BEAT IN WE NEEDED TO RESPOND ON THAT.
THE COMMISSION HAD ACCEPTED MOVING FORWARD WITH A COMPETITIVE SOLICITATION AND THIS WAS FOR AN INOPERABLE 800 MEGAHERTZ SYSTEM AND A SYSTEM AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS IMPORTANT. THE ORIGIN PROCUREMENT WAS A TOWERED EQUIPMENT AND ASSOCIATED RADIOS AT THAT TIME. THEY WERE NOT, WE WERE NOT LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL
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COMPONENTS. AND AN INTEGRATED SYSTEM? >> THE MILLAGE RATE TO COVER
THAT COST? >> YES. THAT IS CORRECT.
THIS WAS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT. $26 MILLION, 10 YEARS AGO.
THEY DON'T TAKE MILLAGE INCREASES LIGHTLY AT THAT TIME AND THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE TO ASSIST IN FUNDING THIS PROGRAM. BUT THAT COMPETITIVE SOLICITATION AND I WAS AN EVALUATOR ON THAT SOME 10 YEARS AGO. IT WAS THE LARGEST EVALUATION I WAS PART OF AWARDED TO MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS. I THINK HARRIS WAS ANOTHER ONE.
IT WAS ONE OR THE OTHER. BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT OR THE COUNTY WAS LOOKING AT AND THE BOARD DIRECTED US TO LOOK AT A SYSTEM AT THE TIME. SO AGAIN $26 MILLION ORIGINAL INVESTMENT IN 2012. IN 17, THE COUNTY CONTRACT WAS EXECUTED WITH MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS AS A SINGLE-SOURCE PROVIDER TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT AND SOFTWARE TO THE SYSTEM AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PARTNERS FIRE RESCUE AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAD RECOMMENDED THE NEED DUE TO THE SUCCESS AND RELIABILITY OF THAT PROGRAM THAT THEY HAD IMPLEMENTED IN 2012, THE NEED TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY AND FULL FUNCTIONALITY OF THE SYSTEM. IT WAS A MOTOROLA SYSTEM AT THE TIME. SO, THIS WAS NOT NECESSARILY A PROCUREMENT.
THIS WAS EXECUTING A SINGLE-SOURCE CONTRACT WITH MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS.
IN 2019, THE COUNTY HAD THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE MOTOROLA CONTRACT WHICH INTEGRATED A FIRE RESCUE CAD SYSTEM INTO THE OVERALL INNEROPERABLE RADIO SYSTEM.
CONSISTENT WITH THAT 2017 SINGLE-SOURCE CONTRACT AND THE AMENDMENT IN 2019, TODAY'S REQUEST IS ALSO AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTOROLA SYSTEMS CONTRACT. AND THIS IS MORE RELATED TO BUT NOT CERTAINLY INCLUSIVE TO THE REPLACEMENT OF THE RADIO. THEY ARE 10 YEARS OLD AND NO LONGER SUPPORTED AND AS WELL THEY WERE OTHER COMPONENTS OF EQUIPMENT MORE FOCUSED ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SIDE WHICH INCLUDED A CAD SYSTEM AS WELL. AGAIN I WANT TO KIND OF MAKE THE POINT IN DECEMBER THE RADIOS DON'T TURN OFF. THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE TO BE USED. SOME WILL BE TURNED BACK IN FOR A CREDIT AGAINST THE ENTIRE CONTRACT. SO AS SUCH, AND I THINK WHAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP THIS MORNING THE COUNTY DID NOT COMPETITIVELY SOLICIT RESPONSES FROM OTHER VENDORS IN THIS CASE.
WE ARE CONTINUING TO RECOMMEND THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTOROLA CONTRACT AND THAT IS AGAIN TO REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH PUBLIC SAFETY'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FULL FUNCTIONALITY.
UNIFORMITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY OF THE COUNTY'S INTEROPERABLE RADIO SYSTEM.
I HATE TO HEAR IN PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE DIDN'T DO OUR PROCUREMENT, WE'RE GOING AROUND OUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS. THIS COULD BE CONSIDERED A TYPICAL AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT. THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS CERTAINLY SIGNIFICANT AS WE'VE KNOWN SINCE 2011 RELATED TO THIS PROGRAM. SO, THE MOTOROLA, SO AGAIN THAT IS IS OVERALL, JUST WANTED TO RESPOND TO THAT PROCUREMENT COMMENT EARLIER. AGAIN, I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS IS AN AMERICAN COMPANY. THEY ARE IN ILLINOIS AS THEIR BASE. THEY HAVE A FT. LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA OFFICE THAT WE WORK WITH, AND AS COMMISSIONER JOSEPH INQUIRED OF ME THE OTHER DAY, I CONFIRMED THAT MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS CONTRACT IS ON THE FLORIDA STATE CONTRACT. SO CERTAINLY MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS AGAIN IS AN AMERICAN COMPANY THAT IS CERTAINLY USED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
RELATED TO THE PROCUREMENT, THERE IS A RED FOLDER ITEM ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROCUREMENT MOTION AND THAT IS CHANGING THE LANGUAGE FROM THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE THAT WAS TO EXECUTE AN AMENDMENT. TWO OF THE MOTOROLA, EXCUSE ME, TO EXECUTE AMENDMENT 2, OF THE MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS AGREEMENT FROM IN THE AMOUNT OF $14.7 MILLION TO IN AN AMOUNT UP TO $14.7 MILLION. AND THE REASON THERE IS WE MADE ITEMS OPTIONAL AFTER WORKING WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THEY WANT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TIME LOOKING AT SOME OF THE
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ADDITIONAL ITEMS THERE BEYOND THE RADIOS INCLUDING THE CAD SYSTEM, THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT AND THE JAIL MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE COMPONENT. SO THEY'RE CERTAINLY, IT'S THE SAME CONTRACT. WE HAVE NOW TURNED A COUPLE ITEMS INTO OPTIONAL.WE HAVE UNTIL DECEMBER 23RD TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO THE FULL BORROWING WHICH I WILL GET INTO THE FINANCING PART AND THERE'S NO PENALTY TO PREPAY IF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DECIDES NOT TO GO IN THAT DIRECT. BEFORE WE GET INTO THE FINANCING COMPONENT WHICH I'M GOING TO ADDRESS, I WANT TO FROM A PROCUREMENT STANDPOINT, I HAVE JAMIE LOCKLEAR HERE FROM MY OFFICE WHO IS THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WHO OVERSEES THAT FROM A TECHNOLOGY DIRECTION, I HAVE WILEY T BOLT AND LARRY DURDAN AND OTHERS.
IF THERE ARE CERTAINLY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OPERATIONS OR SYSTEMS THEM BEFORE I GET INTO THE FINANCING COMPONENT. I'M GOING TO PAUSE TO SEE IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION RELATED TO MAYBE THE PROCUREMENT OR THE SYSTEMS THEMSELVES.
BECAUSE THE NEXT PART IS REALLY RELATED TO THE FINANCING. >> GO AHEAD.
>> SORRY, MR. CHAIR. WE'RE JUST REPLACING THE OVERALL SYSTEM?
>> WE'RE NOT REDOING THE SYSTEM. WE'RE REPLACING THE RADIOS, ALL OF THE RADIOS BOTH FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AMENDING THE CONTRACT TO INCLUDE THE RADIO AND OPTIONAL COMPONENTS WE BELIEVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WANTS TO VET. IT'S SOME EQUIPMENT OR SOFTWARE.
>> IF WE USE ANOTHER VENDOR, WOULD WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE SYSTEM?
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS. >> I'M GOING TO KIND OF PUNT TO
CHIEF PRABAT WHO HAS BEEN ON THIS SINCE 2011. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
NO, THE SYSTEM IS THE SYSTEM. SO THE TOWERS AND THE COMPONENTS OF THOSE SITES ARE WHAT MAKE UP THE NETWORK. IT'S MORE LIKE A COMPUTER NETWORK.
THAT'S THE SYSTEM, THE P-25 COMPONENT ALLOWS MULTIPLE VENDORS TO WORK OFF THE NETWORK.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING BECAUSE OF THE MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS PRODUCT, IT GIVES US THE MORE
FUNCTIONALITY. >> SO THIS IS THE MOST COMPATIBLE FIT WITH THE SYSTEM.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> CHIEF, IF YOU DON'T MIND AND MAYBE CAPTAIN DURDAN. THIS IS A PRODUCT IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE BUYING OFFICE FURNITURE.
WHAT WE'RE BUYING IS MAKING US THE MOST EFFECTIVE FOR OUR NUMBER ONE FOR MOST OF US, MAYBE ALL OF US PRIORITY. PUBLIC SAFETY. WE'RE ALL COMMITTED TO PUBLIC SAFETY. SO I THINK ALL OF US WANT TO DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH THE MOST EFFICIENT EQUIPMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE HAVE ISSUES IN FACT, I THINK CHIEF THAT REMEMBERING THE 2012, 2013, 2014, I THINK I REMEMBER SEEING ARTICLES ABOUT EITHER THE EXPEDITED RESPONSE OR BETTER EFFICIENCY WITH THE NEW SYSTEM. THE 800 MEGAHERTZ WHEN IT WAS FINALLY INSTALLED, IT LET YOU COMMUNICATE BETTER AND QUICKER. BUT, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM BOTH OFFICES UNDER PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE, IT'S NOT JUST PROCUREMENT THAT IS MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION. I'M ASSUMING IT'S COMING FROM BOTH THE FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT AND ALSO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.
I MEAN IF Y'ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION, I NEED TO KNOW THAT TODAY.
>> NO FOR THE LAST DECADE, WE HAVE BEEN ON THIS SYSTEM AND WITH THIS RADIOS AND HAVE ZERO PROBLEMS. I'M 25 YEARS IN THE BUSINESS, WE HAD TERRIBLE SYSTEMS THAT DIDN'T WORK. WE HAVE ZERO PROBLEMS SINCE THEN.
SINCE WE PICKED UP THE MOTOROLA SYSTEM. IT WAS HEAVILY VETTED.
RELIABILITY IS OUR BIGGEST THING. WE WANT CLEAR COMMUNICATION FROM OUR DISPATCH. WHEN A CALL COMES IN FROM A CITIZEN WITH A CRITICAL NEED TO THE DEPUTIES OUT THERE DOING THEIR JOBS LOOKING FOR PEOPLE, SAVING PEOPLE AND THERE'S CONTINUITY IN THAT. WE DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE THAT CONTINUITY AND COMMUNICATION WE HAVE CURRENTLY. TECHNOLOGY CHANGES AND YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE.
NOT ONLY ARE WE UPGRADING, IT'S GOING TO COMPLIMENT OUR MISSION. WE PROVIDE MORE DATA TO THE DEPUTY WHO CAN MAKE AN EDUCATED AND GREAT DECISION ON SAVING SOMEONE'S LIVE.
WE DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE WHAT IS GOING ON. WE LOVE IT.
IT WAS HEAVILY VETTED. THAT'S THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE PERSPECTIVE.
>> I WOULD FOLLOW UP SAYING I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT THE CAPTAIN TOLD YOU.
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IT'S ABOUT FUNCTIONALITY AND ALLOWING US OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO DO THEIR JOB AND GIVEN THEM NEW EQUIPMENT TO DO THEIR JOB THE BEST. IT'S MY FEELING, THIS IS THEBEFT OPTION -- BEST OPTION. >> THERE'S A FINANCING COMPONENT.
I WILL GIVE YOU A QUICK BRIEFING AND GET INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. SO IN TERMS OF FINANCING, THE COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 4TH HAD APPROVED A MOTION AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO DIRECT THE COUNTY FINANCING TEAM TO PURSUE SHORT TERM FINANCING. WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH PFM, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR WHO PUT AN RFP SOLICITING BIDS FOR A TAX EXEMPT, FIXED-RATE BORROWING PLAN BETWEEN FIVE, I THINK IT WAS FIVE, EIGHT AND 10-YEAR PROGRAM.
THE BEST CERTAINLY COMNAYING CAME BACK AT A FIVE YEAR. WE RECEIVED NINE PROPOSALS TRUIST BANK PROVIDED THE BEST COMBINATION OF INTEREST RATES FROM A FIVE-YEAR OPTION.
IT WAS WITHIN OUR '23 BUDGET THE BOARD APPROVED. IT WOULD BE FIVE YEAR BORROWING AT 3.99%. CLOSING DATE WOULD BE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
IT WOULD MATURE IN 2027 AND I THINK MOST IMPORTANTLY WE HAD THE ABILITY TO PREPAY THE NOTE IN WHOLE WITHOUT PENALTY. THAT GIVES US FLEXIBILITY. THAT INFORMATION IS IN YOUR
AGENDA PACKET. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
>> THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME ON AGENDA ITEM 14.
ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE COME FORWARD.
MS. TATE IS THE WINNER. >> I STUCK AROUND JUST FOR THIS TOPIC.
BETH TATE, 441 EAST COAST LANE. I SPENT 40 YEARS IN TECHNOLOGY CAREER.
A GOOD PART WAS PURCHASING TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS, SECURITY SYSTEMS, TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEMS AND WHEN I FIRST READ THIS, THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND THIS IS MY FIRST BIT OF UNSOLICITED ADVICE FOR YOU. GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO WRITE YOUR DESCRIPTIONS.
BECAUSE THIS DESCRIPTION SAYS YOU'RE ONLY BUYING, YOU WERE DOING REPLACEMENT RADIOS.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU CLICK THROUGH AND READ THE ENTIRE PACKET, IT'S MORE THAN JUST BUYING 1200 NEW VIDEOS. THERE'S AN ENTIRE SYSTEM. IT'S AN ENTIRE INFRASTRUCTURE BEING REPLACED HERE. WHICH BEGINS TO JUSTIFY THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND. THIS IS A MASTER PURCHASE AGREEMENT. IT'S NOT GOING OUT TO DO NEW BIDS.
YOU'RE ADDING IN AND REFRESHING THE EXISTING SYSTEM YOU HAVE IN PLACE.
SO IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE WHEN THEY PROPOSED. WHAT IS WRITTEN HERE IS WHAT IS INCLUDED DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. IF IT'S JUST REPLACING RADIOS, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
WHEN THE ENTIRE PACKAGE IS IN, IT MAKES SENSE AND THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
THANK YOU MS. TATE. GOOD COMMENTS. >> YES, SIR.
>> HI. GUY STEVENS WITH COMMUNICATIONS INTERNATIONAL.
I JUST HEARD THE GENTLEMEN SAY WHEN YOU BOUGHT YOUR ORIGINAL SYSTEM YOU WENT OUT TO COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT. AGAIN MY QUESTION IS POSED. IF YOU'RE BUYING OFF OF A CONTRACT PUT IN PLACE IF I HEARD THE DATES RIGHT, 2011-2012. BACK THEN, THEY'RE PROBABLY WERE ONLY ONE OR TWO VENDORS WHO DID STATE-OF-THE-ART P 25 TECHNOLOGY.
SINCE THEN, THE TECHNOLOGY HAS ADVANCED PHENOMENALLY. THERE ARE MULTIPLE VENDORS THAT PROVIDE IT. NOT ONLY L 3 HARRIS, WHICH OF COURSE I DO REPRESENT.
AND THEY ARE DEPLOYING THESE STATE WIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT SYSTEM, SO WHEN THEY THROW OUT THE WORD INNER OPERABLITY, YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR SYSTEM OPEN. RIGHT NOW A COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT. I'M NOT SAYING YOU WOULDN'T END UP WITH YOUR 203 BUNDLE.
I WAS SAY, AS A MATTER OF FACT WITH MY 38 YEARS EXPERIENCE, YOU WILL GET A GREAT BID.
OTHER VENDORS CAN PROVIDE THE SAME TECHNOLOGY AND RADIOS THAT MAY NOT HAVE THE LIFE CYCLE THAT THE TECHNOLOGY CURRENTLY BEING DEPLOYED MAY HAVE. SOME OF THE CELLULAR TYPE TECHNOLOGY THAT USES ANDROID WILL HAVE LIMITED LIFE CYCLES JUST LIKE YOUR CELL PHONE.
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THAT'S SOMETHING THE STATE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN THEY MADE THEIR AWARD.THE STATE SYSTEM WAS A COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT AND THE STATE SAVED SEVERAL TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. LOVE TO GIVE YOU AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT AND DON'T WANT TO BE ACCOUNTABLE. IF THEY HAD NOT GOING TO COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT, WHEN YOU DO SOLE SOURCE, THEY GET TO DECIDE WHAT YOU PAY. YOU GET GOOD COMPETTIVE PRICING WITH BIDS. YOU'RE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
GUY STEVENS WITH COMMUNICATION INTERNATIONAL. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME.
>> THANK YOU MR. STEVENS. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MY NAME IS MARISSA MARISELO WITH PINNACLE COMMUNICATIONS GROUP. MY WHOLE POINT IN SPEAKING IS TO ARM YOU GUYS WITH INFORMATION. TO PUT IN PERSPECTIVE, MOTOROLA I HAVE GONE UP AGAINST DIRECTLY IN A BID. I HANDLED 1200 RADIOS FOR NASSAU COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
MOTOROLA CAME IN AFTERWARDS WITH THEIR COMPARABLE RADIO AROUND $4,000.
IN THE EXAMPLE OF IF THEY DIDN'T DO A BID OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS NASSAU COUNTY AND ONLY WENT WITH MOTOROLA, THEY WOULD HAVE PAID A TON MORE MONEY VERSUS LEAVING IT AS AN OPEN BID.
YOU'RE LEAVING AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THE TABLE NOT PUTTING THE PROJECT OUT TO BID.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE OTHER MANUFACTURERS THAT SELL RADIOS AND CAN BE COMPATIBLE WITH PROGRAMMING WITH THIS EXISTING SYSTEM. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> MR. ROLAND. >> MEREL ROLAND. 6280 OLDDIXIE DRIVE.
SOME INTERESTING THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID TODAY. THIS SHOULD BE PUT TO BID.
THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE. YOU'RE HERE TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR US CITIZENS.
WE DEPEND ON YOU. WE HAVE OUR, WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOU TO DO THE BEST FOR US.
AND DOING THE BEST IS NOT HAVING THIS RUBBER STAMPED. WHAT WOULD IT HURT TODAY TO SAY OKAY, LET'S PUT THIS OUT FOR BID? WHAT WOULD IT HURT? I WILL TELL YOU, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE TOLD THAT YOUR CAR CAN ONLY BE FILLED UP WITH SHELL GASOLINE. YOU CAN ONLY GO TO A SHELL GAS STATION? THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD HERE. WE CAN ONLY GET THEIR PRODUCTS.
WHEN THOSE VEHICLES HAVE THE RADIOS PUT IN THEM, THEY CAN ONLY BE TOUCHED BY A MOTOROLA MECHANIC. A TECHNICIAN. THINK ABOUT YOUR CELL PHONES.
I HAD TO REPLACE MY CELL PHONE BECAUSE OF THE NEW SYSTEM. THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH MY OLD CELL PHONE. BUT, THEY SAID THIS IS WHAT WE'RE, WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
SO I HAD TO DO IT. THESE NEW RADIOS THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF PURCHASING ARE ANDROID BASED CELL PHONES AND WALKIE-TALKIES, WE WILL TALK ABOUT JUST THE WALKIE-TALKIES AT $10,000 PER WALKIE-TALKIE. I'M A LICENSED HAND RADIO OPERATOR.
BEEN ONE FOR OVER 50 YEARS. I CAN'T FIND A WALKIE-TALKIE FOR $10,000
>> I CAN'T EVEN FIND ONE FOR A THOUSAND DOLLARS. WHY DO THEY NEED A RADIO WITH A TOUCH SCREEN ON IT THAT'S GLASS? DID YOU LOOK AT IT? THERE'S NOT EVEN ANYBODY HERE FROM MOTOROLA WITH ONE OF THOSE RADIOS TO SHOW YOU AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION WITHOUT THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED. A $10,000 WALKIE-TALKIE.
WITH THE WHOLE FRONT OF IT IS GLASS. IT'S AN ANDROID BASED CELL PHONE AND WALKIE-TALKIE TOGETHER. WHY DOES A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHO IS GOING TO BE RUNNING AFTER, JUST ONE EXAMPLE, RUNNING AFTER A SUSPECT GOING TO STOP OR WHILE HE'S RUNNING, LET ME PUSH THE BUTTONS ON MY CELL PHONE. WHY DO THEY NEED THAT? THE POINT OF TODAY IS PLEASE, PUT IT OUT FOR BID. THERE'S SIX OR SEVEN OTHER COMPANIES YOU HAVE HEARD FROM TWO DIFFERENT ONES HERE TODAY. THAT FOUND OUT ABOUT IT.
IT WASN'T PUT IN THE NEWSPAPER. WASN'T ON THE RADIO OR TV. BUT THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AND THESE RADIOS THAT THEY SAY IS AN AMERICAN COMPANY, WHAT THE MAN DIDN'T SAY, IT'S AN AMERICAN COMPANY BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN AN OFFICE HERE IN AMERICA. AND WHAT HE DIDN'T SAY AND YOU NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK. THE RADIOS ARE MADE IN MALAYSIA AND MEXICO.
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THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. OTHER THAN I THINK WE SHOULD BUY AMERICAN.>> THANK YOU MR. >> THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM.
>> HI. >> HI, MY NAME IS AMMAARAH. I AM ALSO A EMPLOYEE WITH PINNACLE COMMUNICATIONS GROUP. I THINK MERCELLA MADE A LOT OF GOOD POINTS.
IF WE DO NOT PUT THIS OUT TO BID, IT LETS THE FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES WIN AND THESE SMALLER COMPANIES LOSE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FAIR SHOT IN THE RACE VERSUS LETTING THEM
WIN SO THANK YOU. >> THIS IS. MS. MARCELO.
>> YES, >> CHUCK LEBONOWSKI. >> I'M CONCERNED EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE AT A COST LIKE THIS SHOULD GO OUT TO BID. THE HOA BOARD I'M ON GOES OUT FOR BID. THIS IS OUR MONEY. IT'S THE RESIDENTS MONEY.
YOU NEED TO CONTROL THAT. I MEAN WE HAVE AN ISSUE NOW WHERE WE DON'T HAVE FUNDS.
GO OUT FOR BID. THERE'S NOTHING RUSHING THIS. YOU HEARD IT'S STILL GOING TO WORK. LET'S GO OUT FOR BID AND GET A GOOD PRICE.
IF YOU LOOK AT COST A CELL PHONE WITH ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES. $1,300.
SAT PHONE. $2,300. $10,000 FOR A TWO WAY RADIO.
I KNOW THERE'S A FEW MORE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE WITH THEM, BUT NOT AT THAT COST.
WE NEED TO GO OUT AND GET COMPETITIVE BIDS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> I CAME BACK. B.J. KLATY.
WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. PUT OUT TO BID. THREE PEOPLE WELL QUALIFIED, TWO EMPTY CHAIRS. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, WHAT IS THE RUSH? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. WHAT IS THE RUSH? ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO GO AWAY IF YOU DON'T DO IT TODAY? GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT.
OR PUT IT OUT TO BID AND THEN MAYBE WE WILL HAVE THOSE TWO OTHER CHAIRS AND THEN FIVE PEOPLE CAN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SPENDING OUR MONEY INSTEAD OF YOU THREE.
I WANT THAT TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT A LITTLE BIT TOO. OKAY.
WE'RE RUSHING TOO MANY THINGS TODAY AND DON'T HAVE A FULL HOUSE.
EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN DO YOUR THING. YOU DID IT BEFORE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE IS WAITING FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO COME ON THE BOARD.
AN ATTORNEY DID THAT AT THE LAST MEETING. SO, JUST TAKE THAT INTO
CONSIDERATION PLEASE. THANKS. >> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> I'M SORRY, WE CAN ONLY ALLOW ONE PUBLIC ■COMMENT. IF SOMEBODY ELSE HASN'T SPOKEN, YOU CAN ASK THEM TO BRING YOUR COMMENTS UP TO THE PODIUM FOR YOU.
MR. SLAVEN. WELCOME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
WHERE IS THE SHERIFF? I WOULD LIKE TO CROSS-EXAMINATION HIM UNDER
OATH. >> NAME AND ADDRESS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE SHERIFF ANSWER QUESTIONS UNDER OATH. LET'S DO THAT.
AND ALSO WHERE ARE THE RESPONSES TO MY OPEN RECORDS QUESTION 182, 183 AND 184.
THIS SHOULD BE REJECTED. JAMES MADISON WROTE IN 1823 ABOUT THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION AND HOW IT'S ESSENTIAL IN A DEMOCRACY. AND HE SAID, A POPULAR GOVERNMENT WITHOUT POPULAR INFORMATION OR THE MEANS OF ACQUIRING IT IS BETTER A PROLOGUE TO A FARCER TRAGEDY OR PERHAPS BOTH. KNOWLEDGE WILL FOREVER GOVERNOR IGNORANCE AND THE PEOPLE WHO MEAN TO BE THEIR OWN GOVERNORS MUST ARM THEMSELVES WITH THE POWER WHICH KNOWLEDGE GIVES. WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION WE NEED, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING UNDER OATH. WE DON'T HAVE ANY EMPLOYEE EVER COMPLAINING THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE RADIOS. WE ARE TOLD THEY ARE PERFECT. WHY ARE WE REPLACING THEM? WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE OF AN OLIG.O.P. OLIST. LIKE MOTOROLA IS IN CONTROL.
WHO ARE THE LAWYERS WHO APPROVED THAT? WHERE WAS THE GOOD FAITH ARMS LENGTH NEGOTIATION BETWEEN MOTOROLA AND COUNTY STAFF? I DON'T SEE ANY OF IT.
THIS IS A BULWARK AGAINST OPPRESSION. WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS COMMISSION IS OPPRESSION. WHY WOULD YOU PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA AND VOTE?
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PLEASE REJECT THIS. THIS IS A SIGN OF CORRUPTION. THE CORRUPTION BY GIANT COMPANIES BY MOTOROLA IS INDEFENSIBLE. WHERE THE SHERIFF? I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HIM SOME QUESTIONS. I WOULD LIKE JESSE TO BE UNDER OATH. I WOULD LIKE THE CHIEF TO BE UNDER OATH AND HAVE COHERRENT ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THE INDUSTRY.BY THE COMPETITORS AND PEOPLE WHO KNOW FROM RADIOS. THIS IS ABSURD.
THIS IS OBSCENE. THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAVE SPOKEN.
THEY HAVE SPOKEN TWICE. THEY ELECTED CHRISTA AND THEY VOTED AGAINST THIS HIDEOUS 15% SALES TAX INCREASE. WHICH WAS DEMANDED A DEVELOPER WHO PICKED A COUPLE OF Y'ALL FOR YOUR JOBS. THIS IS JUST CROOKED. PLEASE REJECT THIS AND DIRECT THE COUNTY STAFF TO REBID. LET'S REWRITE THE COUNTY PROCUREMENT CODE.
WE NEED TO REWRITE THE PROCUREMENT CODE AND REFORM PURCHASING AS WE KNOW IT.
WE COULD SAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IF YOU JUST REBID THIS. WHERE IS THE SHERIFF? WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW. WHERE IS HE TODAY? I WANT TO SPEAK TO HIM.
I WANT HIM TO EXPLAIN THIS. >> THANK YOU MR. SLAVEN. >> MR. MIGUT, ARE WE IN
VIOLATION OF THE SEVENTH AMENDMENT? >> SO WE'RE NOT.
>> CORRECT. APPRECIATE THE LEGAL OPINION. >> ANYONE ELSE?
ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? THIS IS AGENDA ITEM 14. >> MR. SLAVEN.
IF YOU CAN'T CONTAIN YOUR OUT BURSTS, I WILL HAVE YOU REMOVED FROM THE AUDITORIUM.
>> YES. PLEASE. >> HI, I'M MICHELE POOLE WITH MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS. I'M A CITIZEN OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND RAISED MY CHILDREN HERE. I WANT TO DISPEL MYTHS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED TODAY.
SO, MOTOROLA BEGAN IN 1928 WITH TWO BOTHERS THAT INITIATED THE COMPANY IN THEIR GARAGE IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS. IT IS A VERY MUCH UNITED STATES CORPORATION.
OUR MAIN FACTORY IS IN CHICAGO. WE HAVE A FACTORY IN TEXAS. YOU KNOW, WE SOURCE COMPONENTS OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES. LIKE EVERY OTHER ELECTRONICS VENDOR IN OUR COUNTRY.
UNFORTUNATELY. WE USED TO HAVE A FACTORY IN FLORIDA IN FT. LAUDERDALE FOR MANY YEARS BUT WITH ECONOMIC TIMES, WE HAVE OUT SOURCED COMPONENTS AND I KNOW FOR A FACT MY COMPETITORS DO AS WELL. I BEGAN MY CAREER IN 1998 WITH MOTOROLA.
IN 1988, WE HAD ABOUT, WE HAD 108,000 EMPLOYEES IN THE WORLD. TODAY WE HAVE 18,000 EMPLOYEES IN THE WORLD. SO, THINK HE REFERRED TO US AS AN OLI WHATEVER.
I CAN'T EVEN PRONOUNCE IT. WE'RE NOT A LARGE CORPORATION ANYMORE.
BACK WHEN I STARTED, WE WERE IN CELLULAR AND COMPUTER COMPONENTS.
WE MADE TVS AT ONE POINT. ALL WE DO NOW IS WORK WITH PUBLIC SAFETY AND WE SPECIALIZE IN IT. WE HAVE A LARGE PRESENCE HERE IN FLORIDA.
I LIVE IN ST. JOHNS. THERE'S OTHER EMPLOYEES WHO WORK IN ST. JOHNS.
A LOT OF US WORK REMOTELY. FLORIDA LEADS THE SOUTHEAST IN THE AMOUNT OF BUSINESS WE CONDUCT. THEREFORE THAT DICTATES MORE EMPLOYEES.
THIS RADIO THAT WE'RE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH COUNTY ON FOR TWO YEARS. THEY STARTED DEMOING AND PILOTING THIS RADIO ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WITH OTHER CUSTOMER. BUT THIS RADIO ITSELF WAS DESIGNED AND NOT MANUFACTURED BUT DESIGNED WITH ENGINEERS IN FLORIDA AT OUR PLANTATION OFFICE.
YOU KNOW JUST TO TOUCH ON THE FACT THAT THIS IS A PROPOSAL THAT CONSISTS OF NOT JUST RADIO REPLACEMENT, OUR TYPICAL PLATFORM LASTS 10 YEARS. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS. THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT.
THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO PRODUCT. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR NEIGHBORING AGENCIES, IF YOU LOOK AT FLAGLER COUNT, PUTNAM COUNTY, CLAY COUNTY, MOTOROLA WAS AWARDED ALL COUNTY CONTRACTS BECAUSE WE WERE HIGHEST TECHNICAL SCORE OR LOW BID.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ANYBODY ELSE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT AGENDA ITEM
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>> COMMISSIONER. WELCOME BACK. >> OKAY.
WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE FOCUS OF ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPENED HERE.
I THINK IT'S FAIR THAT YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A BID AND ALL THE GREAT THINGS OF MOTOROLA WILL PROBABLY RISE TO THE TOP AND YOU MAY GET A BETTER PRICE. IF YOU DON'T, I JUST, BEING FAIR AND TRANSPARENT IS PROBABLY REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE IN THE
THANKS. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE.
WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 14. >> I HAVE A COMMENT.
BRIEFLY HOPEFULLY. I TOTALLY REJECT THE SUGGESTION OR IDEA THAT I OR ANYONE ELSE UP HERE ARE TRYING TO RUBBER STAMP THIS PROPOSAL. I MADE A POINT OF ASKING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND FIRE AND RESCUE TO COME UP HERE AND CONVINCE ME WHY THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT IS NEEDED. WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTRONICS AND COMPUTERS AND RADIO EQUIPMENT, A COMPLETE NEOPHYTE. I CAN HARDLY SEND E-MAILS. SO I HAVE TO RELY ON PROFESSIONAL STAFF WITH 25 YEARS IN ONE INSTANCE OF EXPERIENCE AND 43 YEARS I BELIEVE IN THE OTHER TO TELL ME THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR APPROVING THEIR BUDGET. THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE AND THEY TOLD ME TODAY THAT THIS SYSTEM THAT IS BEFORE US IS COMPATIBLE AND THEY'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THIS ITEM.
SO BASED ON THAT, I PLAN ON VOTING YES IF THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND.
I'M DOING IT BECAUSE I'M RELYING ON OUR PROFESSIONALS WHO PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE STREET AND THEIR MEN AND WOMEN EVERY DAY AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE GOOD EQUIPMENT.
>> I AGREE. I JUST WANT TO ECHO THE COMMENTS.
I KNOW WE HEARD FROM OTHER VENDORS THAT PERHAPS WE COULD SAVE MONEY.
BUT THE REASON THAT WE NEED TO DO IT NOW AND I'M A TOTAL, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, I AGREE WITH YOUR SENTIMENT 100%. ANY TIME WE CAN TAKE MORE TIME, MEASURE TWICE, CUT ONCE.
I WOULD VOTE TO TABLE THIS FOR ANOTHER TIME. BUT THESE ARE SET TO EXPIRE.
THE LIFE ON THESE WALKIE-TALKIES OR WHATEVER THEY ARE, THEY'RE SET TO EXPIRE.
AND THE INABILITY FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS TO RESPOND IN A TIMER MANNER IS A CONCERN OF MINE. I DON'T KNOW WE HAVE TIME TO GO BACK OUT FOR BID FOR AN ITEM LIKE THIS. WE HAVE TO TRUST SOMEBODY IN THIS COUNTY.
I THINK THERE'S A HEALTHY AMOUNT OF SKEPTIMISM IN THE COUNTY. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT KEEP US SAFE AT NIGHT. I DON'T QUESTION THEIR INTEGRITY AS YOU MIGHT.
I WILL VOTE YES ON THIS ITEM. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO WHAT YOU AND COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST HAVE SAID. I TRUST OUR MEN AND MEN IN PUBLIC SAFETY TO TELL US AND TO SHOW US THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB, AND WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOB IF WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM WHAT THEY NEED. IF YOU SAY THIS IS YOUR FIRST CHOICE, THIS IS THE BEST AND MOST RELIABLE AND COMPATIBLE AND ALLOWS YOU TO WORK COHESIVELY,
I'M FORIT. >> IS THERE A MOTION? >> I CAN MOVE IT.
>> THERE'S TWO MOTIONS IF I MAY. IF WILL CHAIR WILL ALLOW ME. THE FIRST MOTION IS TO ADOPT THE
RESOLUTION 2022- >> 441. >> 441 AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF THE SPECIAL OBLIGATION REVENUE NOTE SERIES 2022 A IN AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT NOT EXCEEDING $13 MILLION FOR THE PURCHASING OF RADIOS FOR THE RADIO SYSTEM AND AUTHORIZING ALL
NECESSARY BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS TO REFLECT THE ISSUANCE. >> I WILL MOVE.
>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.
AND THAT'S APPROVED 3-0. >> SECOND MOTION AS PROVIDED IS A MOTION TO ADOPT 2022-442 AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO DESIGNATE AMENDMENT 2 TO THE MOTOROLA MASTER PURCHASE AGREEMENT AND SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME FORM AND TO FORMAT ATTACHED UP TO
$14,716,774. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.
>> PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 3-0. IS THAT IT, JESSE?
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>> BEFORE YOU LEAVE. I WANT TO THANK YOU AND ALSO CHIEF PRABAT FOR THE WORK YOU
[15. Consider appointments to the Recreation Advisory Board.]
AND OTHER STAFF PUT IN ON THIS. THOSE OF US WHO STRONGLY SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY, WE APPRECIATEYOUR DILIGENCE AND GOOD WORK. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY THAT TAKES US TO PUBLIC -- OH WE GOT TO DO THE APPOINTMENTS. WHERE IS JO ANNE?
REC AND PARK ADVISORY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. JO ANNE SPENCER.
SENIOR ASSISTANT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. PRIOR TO PRESENTING ITEM 15, I
DO ASK COMMISSIONER DEAN THE CHAIR IF I MAY SAY A FEW THINGS. >> PUT YOUR MOUTH CLOSER AND
TELL ME THAT AGAIN. THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT. >> I RESPECTFULLY ASK PERMISSION FROM THE CHAIR COMMISSIONER DEAN, IF I MAY SAY A FEW THINGS PRIOR TO PRESENTING MY
>> CERTAINLY. >> OKAY. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST NINE MONTHS OUR OFFICE HAS SEEN A GREAT DEAL OF CHANGE. BOTH GOOD AND BAD.
I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO PUBLICLY THANK THE OFFICE OF PUBLIC ADMINISTRATOR AND STAFF AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND HIS SUPPORT STAFF FOR ALL THEY HAVE DONE FOR SHELBY ROMERO AND I OVER THE PAST NINE MONTHS TO KEEP US AFLOAT AND HELP ALL OF YOU HELP THE COMMUNITY.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY. >> WE APPRECIATE YOU TOO, TRUST
CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD. THERE IS ONE VACANCY ON THIS BOARD. THIS VACANCY IS DUE TO AN EXPIRED TERM OF HAROLD DAWKINS.
PLEASE FIND ATTACH FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION. A RECOMMENDATION LETTER FROM THE
ADVISORY BOARD AND FIVE APPLICATIONS. >> PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLISH COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 15. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE
PUBLIC COMMENT. >> IS THERE A MOTION? >>
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>> YES, SIR, MOTION TO REAPPOINT HAROLD DAWKINS SENIOR FOR A FULL FOUR YEAR TERM TO EXPIRE ON
NOVEMBER 15, 2026. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
PLEASE VOTE. THAT'S APPROVED. THAT COMPLETES THE REGULAR AGENDA AT THIS POINT. WE WILL REVERT BACK TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ITEMS THAT WEREN'T ON THE AGENDA. SEVERAL HAVE SPOKEN. I SEE OUR FRIEND MR. JIM IS
HERE. HEY JIM. >> SO CHAIRMAN DEAN.
CAN YOU GRANT ME THE COURTESY OF FIVE MINUTES. >> YOU HAVE YOUR HANDS FULL.
AT LEAST FIVE MINUTES. >> SO, I TRIED TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU GUYS OVER E-MAIL.
>> MR. HENCELY. 7330 OAK MOUNT COURT MARSHALL LANDING COMMUNITY.
>> THANK YOU. I SHOULD KNOW THAT BY NOW. I WILL GO FAST.
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU. THE BIGGEST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS THAT THE PERMIT THAT WAS APPLIED FROM MARSH LANDING TO YOU HAD TWO CHOICES.
BRING THE SYSTEM BACK TO THE OLD WAY IT WAS AND FIX ALL THE A10 -- ATTEUATE THE SYSTEM.
YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW FEMA'S RULES. I WORK WITH FEMA FOR 25 YEARS SIDE BY SIDE.
THAT MEANS 100 YEAR STORM. YOU HAVE A PERFECT RECORD WITH FEMA RIGHT NOW.
ST. JOHNS COUNTY DOES. NO ISSUES EVER. IF THEY FIND OUT THAT THIS PERMIT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND IF DOESN'T MEET 100 YEAR STORM, THAT IS A PROBLEM.
SO I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THAT BEFORE AND WANT TO REITERATE. I'M NOT GOING TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL THEM. MARSH LANDING CHOSE TO DO NUMBER TWO, NOBODY PUT A GUN TO THEIR HEAD. THEY DECIDED ON THEIR OWN TO PERMIT NEW, THAT MEETS CURRENT DISTRICT RULES. THAT MEANS 4-1 SIDE SLOPES. POND BERMS WITH THE FREE BOARD OF SIX INCHES AND SO WE'RE CLEAR, WE'RE MISSING WHAT THEY'RE CALLED FLOOD PROTECTION BERMS ALONG THE INTERCOASTAL OF MARSH LANDING. WE HAVE THE GOOD SIDE OVER HERE.
THE ROAD DIVIDES IT. WE HAVE THE BAD SIDE. IT'S ON THE INTERCOASTAL SIDE.
THOSE BERMS ARE MISSING. WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS, THIS IS MY HOME FOR THE LAST TWO
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STORMS BOTH WITH IAN AND NICOLE. THE WATER CAME WITHIN 1 TO TWO FEET OF MY HOME AGAIN.NOW WE REACHED FEMA'S OWN HABITUAL STANDARD OF CONSTANT FLOODING.
WE RIGHT WITH SUMMER HAVEN. WE MEET FEMA'S SPECIFICATION OF CONSTANT FLOODING.
THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO MEET CURRENT STANDARDS WHICH IS 100 YEAR STORM.
WHICH MEANS THOSE FLOOD PROTECTION BERMS THAT WEREN'T BUILD AND GONE.
MS. KEATING JOSEPH LIVE THERE IS AND CAN TELL YOU. THEY ARE MISSING.
EVERY TIME THIS FLOODS IT'S A PROBLEM. HERE'S A LETTER YOU GOT TODAY FROM COLLIN GROTH TELLING YOU THERE'S 19 LIFT STATIONS, OKAY IN MARSH LANDING.
THEY HAVE TO MANUALLY PUMP THEM OUT. PAY TWO-AND-A-HALF TIMES HOURLY JUST BECAUSE MARSH LANDING IS FLOODING AND THAT'S A COST TO YOU GUYS.
EACH 40, AND I DID A FOUR YEAR REQUEST. THERE'S 40 SYSTEMS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT GOES TO SUPPORT THESE 19. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO BRING 40 OVER. THEY ARE $45,000 APIECE. THE 19 LIFT STATIONS, WHICH IS HUMAN WASTE YOU GUYS, IT'S HUMAN WASTE. GETS IN THE PONDS AND COLLIN SAYS MARSHALL LANDING HAS A TERRIBLE PROBLEM WITH THE LIGHTS GOING OUT WHICH CAUSES THE LIFT STATIONS TO FILL AND CAN CAUSE ALL THAT HUMAN SEWAGE TO GO INTO THE PUMP SYSTEM AND OUT TO THE INTERCOASTAL ALL BECAUSE MARSH LANDING WON'T FIX THEIR FLOODING PROBLEMS. IT'S REACHED THE END OF THE ROAD WITH THAT. I HAVE BEEN HERE FOUR YEARS.
I HELD YOUR HAND. I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING BUT GET ON MY HANDS AND KNEES AND BEG YOU. DON'T LET OUR ENVIRONMENT BE IMPACTED BY HUMAN WASTE.
YOU CANNOT DO THAT. THAT WILL JUST END ME OVER THE EDGE.
I WILL KEEP WORKING WITH YOU TO GET THROUGH THIS WITH DAVE AT PEGASUS.
I WILL NOT STAND BY AND WATCH THAT HAPPEN. YOU ARE PAYING TONS OF MONEY.
COLLIN SAYS IT HERE IN HIS E-MAIL. THAT'S GOING TO GET, HE SAYS TODAY IT HASN'T YET. BUT THEY HAVE TO MANUALLY PUMP IT.
THIS BRINGS ME, I BROUGHT THE PUMP LIST FOR YOU. ALL 19 IN MARSH LANDING HAVE TO BE MANUALLY PUMPED WHEN THERE'S STORMS. THIS HAPPENS DURING REGULAR KING TIDES. IN APRIL, YOU APPROVED ALL OF MARSH LANDING TO DO THE REVIEW.
SOMEHOW BETWEEN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND SOMEBODY ON THIS TABLE, THEY ONLY DID 2 HOAS. IT TOOK HIS FIVE MONTHS TO GET THE CONTRACT SIGNED.
I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO GO GRAY. BUT THAT'S GOVERNMENT AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I NEED YOU TO AUTHORIZE TODAY THE REST OF THE PHASE TWO, IT WILL COST YOU LESS THAN THE FIRST ONE FOR THE REST OF THE PONDS, THE PROTECTION BERMS. YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM TO DO T. HERE'S MY PROBLEM. SHE STARTS IN TWO WEEKS.
MS. KEATING JOSEPH AND LIVES IN MARSH LANDING. I'M ASKING YOU TO AUTHORIZE THE REST THAT YOU ALREADY APPROVED NEXT PHASE. THANK YOU.
>> JIM, ONE QUESTION IF I MAY. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE WATER CAME UP TO WITHIN ONE OR TWO
FEET OF YOUR HOME. >> YES. WAS THAT VERTICAL? I ASSUME IT WAS LINEAR. AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR. IF I MAY, WE HAD SIX PEOPLE WHO PHYSICALLY FLOODED THEIR HOMES PHYSICALLY FLOODED THAT HAVE BEEN HERE STANDING WITH YOU.
>> WHEN YOU SAY PHYSICALLY FLOODED. >> IN THEIR
>> I'M SORRY. >> SORRY. >> FIRST FLOOR ELEVATION.
NOT THE GARAGE BUT THE FIRST FLOOR ELEVATION WAS FLOODED? >> TWO OF THE HOMES FIRST FLOOR.
FOUR COMPLETE GARAGE. >> I WANTED TO BE CLEAR. YOU'RE THE GUY KEEPING MY UP POSTED ON FACTS. SO I WANT TO DO WHILE YOU'RE HERE ASK YOU THIS.
I APPRECIATE THAT. I AM LOOKING OUT FOR YOUR BOTTOM LINE AS WELL AS MY OWN.
>> LET ME COMMENT ON YOUR REQUEST. BECAUSE I THINK EVERYONE HERE KNOWS THAT I HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY INVOLVED. I THINK I GOT DRAFTED IF I REMEMBER IN THIS WHOLE ISSUE. BUT I REALLY DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY FURTHER DECISIONS WITHOUT THE INVOLVEMENT AND PARTICIPATION AND VOTING OF COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AND SO I'M NOT PREPARED TO MAKE ANY MOTION I THOUGHT WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THIS.
WHY DON'T WE PROCEED WITH WHAT WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WHICH IS ONE AND 2.
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NOTHING IS STOPPING US FROM ADDRESSING FUTURE UNITS. IF WE CHEESE IN THE FUTURE.>> BUT RIGHT NOW, WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS GET MR. HAMSTER TO FINISH HIS REPORTS ON
UNITS ONE AND TWO WHICH IS STILL PENDING. >> MAY I ADDRESS YOU BRIEFLY?
>> THE VIDEO BACK FROM APPROXIMATELY CLEARLY SAYS ALL OF MARSH LANDING.
SOMEBODY UP HERE AND SOMEBODY OVER HERE DECIDED TO QUANTIFY IT TO HOA 1 AND 2.
THERE'S NO MORE VOTING NEEDED. THE WHOLE MARSH LANDING WAS APPROVED.
I CAN RECITE THE WORDS YOU SAID THAT DAY. I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO AN ARGUMENT. IT'S JUST HOA 1 AND 2. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU APPROVED.
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED, IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
>> I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY FELLOW OPINION TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. >> IT HAS BEEN APPROVED ALREADY. >> THANK
>> OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE ARE STILL IN NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT. IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ITEM THAT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO COME FORWARD AND DO SO.
REVEREND -- ED SLAVEN. >> REVEREND MARTIN LUTHER KING, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS
SMIRKING. MAYBE HE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION. >> MR. SLAVEN.
>> PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS. >> I'M BEING DISTRACTED WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND HE'S SMIRKING. WE NEED A SAINT AUGUSTINE NATIONAL PARK AT SEASHORE.
WE HAVE TWO RECENT STORMS WHICH SHOW US THE FOLLY, THE HUMAN FOLLY OF BUILDING SO CLOSE TO THE COAST AND WE'RE LOSING HOMES AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. WE'RE DOING NO-BID CONTRACTS.
IGNORING PUBLIC CONCERNS ABOUT WAVING OUR SEVEN AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
ASKING FRIVOLOUS QUESTIONS THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING I REQUEST.
NOT WAVE OUR RIGHT TO JURY TRIAL. I DIDN'T SAY WE VIOLATED THE SEVENTH AMENDMENT MR. WHITEHURST. YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION AND LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE SAY. WE JUST APPROVED A CORRUPT CONTRACT WITH MOTOROLA AND INCLUDES A WAIVER TO OUR SEVENTH AMENDMENT TRIAL AND WE HAVE LAWYERS, 10 OF THEM IN THE ROOM AND DOESN'T EVEN DISCUSS IT. NOW, WHAT ABOUT THE SAINT AUGUSTINE PARK IN SEASHORE? WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO THINGS THAT MATTER. OUR LIVES BEGIN TO END WHEN WE STOP CARING ABOUT THE THINGS THAT MATTER. YOU HAVE VIOLATED THIS COMMISSION, THIS STAFF, VIOLATED COMMISSIONER CHRISTA KEATING-JOSEPH'S RIGHTS.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THE LAWYERS DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT THE STATUTE SAID UNTIL VICKY OAKS WHO IS NOT EVEN A COLLEGE GRADUATE IS SHE, BUT SHE CERTAINLY NOT A LAWYER. BUT SHE FIGURED IT OUT.
OUR LAWYERS HERE, THE GUY WHO WAS THE SECOND IN THE RANK TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THAT JOB, IS NOW AN ELECTED JUDGE IN TENNESSEE. WE HAVE A FORMER COMMISSIONER, MR. BLOCKER WHO ACTUALLY SAID, OH, THERE ARE CULTURAL DIFFERENCES. WE DON'T WANT TO HIRE SOMEBODY FROM TENNESSEE. THIS COMMISSION IS A JOKE. IT HAS BECOME A JOKE AND REPEATEDLY VIOLATED CIVIL RIGHTS. YOU HIRED A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WITHOUT AN APPLICATION. THIS IS A GUY THAT WAS CLERK E IN THE CRIMINAL INDICTMENT IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA VERSUS DONALD DON AGER JUNIOR AND SAID HE TOOK $8,000 IN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS INTENDED AS BRIBES. WE NEED A NEW NATIONAL SEARCH FOR A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. PEOPLE NEED TO LISTEN WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT ONE SOURCE CONTRACTS AND ALL THE CORRUPTION THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS CONTRIBUTED.
SIT UP STRAIGHT. DO YOUR JOBS AND HONOR YOUR OATHS NOW.
>> WELL, THAT NOW MAKES A TRIO OF COMMENTS I HAVE TO RESPOND TO.
I ALREADY RESPONDED TO TWO. FOR THOSE WHO WEREN'T HERE AND SOME OF YOU WEREN'T, WE DID A THOROUGH, THOROUGH NATIONAL SEARCH FOR A COUNTY ATTORNEY WHEN PATRICK MCCORMACK STEPPED DOWN. WE ADVERTISED AND HAD APPLICANTS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY LET
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ALONE THE STATE OF FLORIDA. PERSONALLY, I SPENT QUITE A FEW HOURS WITH HUNTER AND COMMISSIONER JEB SMITH INTERVIEWING CANDIDATES AND DOING THE BACKGROUND CHECKS.JUST SO YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY REVIEWED MR. MIGUT'S PREVIOUS EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE HE WAS WITH TWO OTHER AGENCIES I HAD FAMILIARITY WITH AND I WAS VERY, VERY PROUD OF MY SELECTION OF MR. MIGUT. I STAND BY HIS PROFESSIONALISM AND HIS GOOD WORK.
SO I HOPE THAT'S THE LAST TIME I HAVE TO REBUT PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY BECAUSE I'M PROBABLY, WEARING ON SOMEONE'S NERVES. BUT THAT'S OKAY. SO.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? >> I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME THING.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? >> I WAS WAITING FOR CHAIRMAN DEAN TO GET DONE. ANYWAY, I WOULD LIKE IF ALL AT POSSIBLE FOR THE STAFF TO LOOK AT CHANGING THE SIGN ORDINANCES WE HAVE OUT THERE IN THE AREAS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE BILLBOARD SIGNS GOING UP. I DON'T WANT TO SEE US LIKE PHILLIPS HIGHWAY IN JACKSON.
IF IT'S POSSIBLE, CAN WE LOOK AT THE SIGN ORDINANCES WE HAVE. >> THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE? THIS IS NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> ONE MORE. ONE MORE. >> I THOUGHT PUBLIC, SHERRY BADGER, SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE. I THOUGHT PUBLIC COMMENT WAS OVER.
I'M SITTING BACK WATCH YOU THREE OPERATE ON A BOARD OF FIVE, OKAY, AND WHICH IS TOTALLY YOU CAN MAKE SOME DECISIONS BUT NOT OTHER WITH A BOARD OF FIVE. Y'ALL NEED TO GET IT TOGETHER.
THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTY ARE GETTING SICK OF THE WAY THE COUNTY IS BEING OPERATED.
IT WILL TAKE YOU JUST LIKE IT TOOK TO GET YOUR NOT ONE SALES PENNY TAX PASSED.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE THAT MUCH TO GET RID OF ALL OF YOU UP ON THE THANK YOU.
>> GOD BLESS. >> SHERRY, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT NOT I OR OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO FILL THE SEATS. IT'S UP TO THE GOVERNOR.
WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? NOT MEET? THANK YOU.
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>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? >> I'M DIE TO GO HEAR WHAT ELSE IS LEFT TO SAY.
WE HEARD JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE NON-AGENDA PUBLIC
COMMENT? THIS IS THE TIME TO DO SO. >> MR. CHAIRMAN.
I'M SEEING NO MORE COMMENTS. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE IT FOR THE DAY.
SEE YOU AGAIN ON DECEMBER 6TH WHERE WE EXPECT MORE. >> NOW WE'RE GOING TO SEGUE INTO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. I BET Y'ALL CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR FROM ME.
SARA. >> I AM GOING TO KEEP IT BRIEF. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE ADMIN AND STAFF AND ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PEOPLE HERE. FOR THE OUTSTANDING JOB EVERYONE DONE DURING NICOLE. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE CAN CATCH A BREAK AT THIS POINT.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A SECOND TO SAY I THINK OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY IS DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR
WORK. >> CHRISTIAN. >> I WANT TO DISCUSS THE, WE HAD A 4-1 VOTE A FEW MONTHS AGO IN ELKTON WHERE WE DENIED A PROJECT FOR SPECULATIVE.
SO I WAS HAPPY TO LEARN RECENTLY THE STAFF HAS ASSISTED KAHE TO IDENTIFY OTHER SITES TO OPERATE.
IT PRESSURES TO NOT CONTAIN THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WE DISCUSSED ON THE PARCEL.
I WANT TO ENCOURAGE KEHA TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US. THIS IS A WAY TO HELP US PAY BILLS IN ST. JOHNS WITH THE LIMITED FINANCIAL RESOURCES WE HAVE.
JUST AGAIN WANT TO THANKS STAFF FOR ALL THEY HAVE DONE TO WORK ON POSSIBILITIES AND THANK YOU TO KEHE FOR CONTINUING TO WORK WITH US AS COMMISSIONERS MOVING FORWARD.
SOMETHING ELSE I WANT TO ADDRESS WHICH I WAS NOT PLANNING TO ADDRESS.
I THINK AS COMMISSIONERS AND I WILL SPEAK AS MYSELF. WE ARE CONSTANTLY BATTLING MISUNDERSTAND. I FIND MYSELF STANDING UP IN FRONT OF NEIGHBORHOODS SAYING IF THAT WAS TRUE, I WOULD BE UPSET TOO. WE HAVE PEOPLE GETTING UP HERE, THEY THINK BECAUSE THEY SPEAK LOUDLY AND PASSIONATELY, THEY HAVE THE MORAL HIGH GRAND.
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THEY ARE LONG ON PASSION AND SHORT ON FACTS. THEY ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE DETACHED FROM REALITY. I WANT YOU KNOW AND ANYONE WITHIN THE SOUND OF MY VOICE.I'M NOT GOING TO BE MOVED BY YOUR PASSION OR EMOTION. I WILL MAKE MY VOTES ON THE FACTS AND NOTHING ELSE. I FELT LIKE I HAD TO GET THAT OFF MY CHEST.
GIVEN THE MEETING WE HAD TODAY. ON A MUCH LIGHTER NOTE. I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE THINGS I THINK ARE SPECIAL ABOUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY. ONE IS YOUTH ATHLETICS.
WE ARE THE NUMBER ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WHEN THAT COMES THE MANY, MANY CHILDREN THAT COME WITH THE SCHOOLS. RECENTLY WE HAD A YOUNG LADY AT A YOUTH SPORTS FIELD MAKE NATIONAL NEWS. OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS TEAM DID A GREAT JOB PUTTING THIS OUT.
IF LORENA. >> THE LEAGUE ALSO SPOTLIGHTS FLAG FOOTBALL PLAYERS.
I LOVE THAT AND THE INTRODUCTION TO PLAY. THEY ARE FOCUSING ON THE FOOTWORK. THE DISCIPLINE AND VISION THAT IS SO CRITICAL IN THE SPORT OF FLAG FOOT BALL. THIS WEEK'S RECIPIENT IS A OUT OF GIRL POWER FLAG FOOTBALL IN
THE GREAT STATE OF FLORIDA, ISABELLA. >> THE NFL FLAG.
ISABELLA MURRAY ON THE GHOST MOTION FAKE. RIGHT HERE.
WATCH WHAT SHE SAYS, UNDER PRESSURE. FIRST THING SHE DOES, PROTECT THE BALL. BALL SECURITY IS EVERYTHING. THEN WHEN SHE SPINS TO WIN, HER EYES ARE UP TO LOOK AT THE TARGET. WATCH HOW SHE THROWS THE BALL.
SHE GETS HER LEGS INTO IT. WITH A TIGHT SPIRAL DOWN THE FIELD TO AN OPEN RECEIVER.
JUST THE WAY WE WATCH LAMAR JACKSON AND JOSH ALLEN DO IT EVERY WEEK.
WAY TO DO ISABELLA. >> WOW. WE GOT A BREAKING NEWS FROM MIKE GARRAFOLA. THEY HAVE SIGNED ISABELLA TO BE WITH THE GIANTS AFTER THE CANNON. SPIN. YOU SPIN IN FLAG FOOTBALL AND
MAKES IT TO WIN. >> TO SPIN TO PLANT. FANTASTIC.
>> SPIN TO PLANT, BOOM, THAT'S THE WAY YOU PLAY. BECAUSE OF THEIR TERRIFIC TECHNIQUE AND SPIN, BOTH PLAYERS LEAGUES WILL RECEIVE $3,000 EQUIPMENT BRAND.
THEY JUST GOT A MASTERCARD, PRICELESS. SO, ANYWAY.
JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ISABELLA MURRAY. YOU CAN SEE THE FORM AND TECHNIQUE. WE HAVE THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPENING ALL OVER ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO ISABELLA ALTHOUGH SHE DOES A GREAT JOB.
I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. GET OUT THERE AND SUPPORT YOUR YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS.
THEY CERTAINLY NEED OUR HELP. >> WOW. COOL.
IS THAT IT? WELL, NOW I'M GOING TO FILL INADEQUATE AND TELL THE FSU FLORIDA GAME. WHAT I CAN RECOVER SOME OF MY MANHOOD.
SO, I AM GOING TO DO, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IF I MAY IS SORT OF IN THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HUNTER TO PRESENT THE HURRICANE REPORT.
AND THEN I HAVE CLOSING COMMENTS BECAUSE I THINK, I COULD BE WRONG, I THINK THIS IS MY LAST MEETING AS CHAIRMAN. I THOUGHT YEAH, LAST MEETING WAS.
AND ANY EVENT. WHY DON'T WE DO THE BACK AND FORTH HERE ON THE HURRICANE AND
I WILL MAKE BRIEF CLOSING STATEMENTS. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS REPORT. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE DISCUSSION. THIS WILL HIGHLIGHT AND HE IS HERE TO GET INTO DETAILS OF POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES OR ACTIONS THAT MAY BE NECESSITATED.
JUST ONE COMMENT. I KNOW YOU HAVE TAKEN AND TAKE DAILY A GOOD BEATING ON OCCASION, IF I SAY THIS, YOU ALL HAVE SAID LOOK YOU WANTED TO PUT THE VOTE ON THE SALES TAX BEFORE THE VOTERS WERE THE RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHNS TOOK A POSITION THEY DID NOT WANT THAT.
FROM MY PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO BRING BACK TO YOU SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK AND TAKE CARE OF THE NEEDS. I KNOW I HAVE SPOKEN WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY. TO REITERATE, THERE'S A PLAN. THERE IS A PLAN B.
IT MAY NOT BE DONE AT THE SPEED AND CAPACITY A SALES TAX WOULD HAVE DONE IT.
WE WILL BRING BACK A REPRIORITIZATION AS WELL AS BONDING OPPORTUNITIES.
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YOUR EXECUTIVE TEAM HAVE MET TO START THAT PROCESS. WE ARE NOT GOING TO SIT AND WAIT. WE KNOW THERE ARE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND ARNOLD. I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT PREPRIORITIZING OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN AND BONDING OPPORTUNITIES WHICH WILL COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD. LET ME JUMP INTO THE HURRICANE NICOLE POST HURRICANE REPORT.THIS IS PRELIMINARY. THE STORM JUST ENDED. DATA IS STILL BEING COLLECTED.
FORECASTED THREAT. I'M GOING TO TRY TO MOVE FAIRLY QUICKLY THROUGH THE RUN UP.
LAST WEEK WE ENTERED THE IMPACT AREA ON MONDAY NOVEMBER 7TH AND WE REMAINED UNTIL FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 11TH AT 4:00. NICOLE DID BECOME A CATEGORY 1 HURRICANE REMAINING A HURRICANE FOR NINE HOURS. THE FLOODING AND COASTAL IMPACTS WERE FORECASTED TO BE SIMILAR TO HURRICANE I AN. HE WAS THE FORECASTED THREAT RELATED TO STORM SURGE.
ONE THING I WILL NOTE IS THE PROJECTED RAINFALL ON I AN WAS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN WHAT IT WAS WITH NICOLE. HOWEVER IT YOU REMEMBER THE TRACK ON IAN WAS ACROSS THE STATE. WE FELT THE IMPACTS FROM A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
THAT CHANGED THE STORM SURGE. THE REALIZED STORM TRACK. THIS WAS MONDAY 10:00 A.M.
THIS IS WHERE IT WAS GOING AND PROJECTED. IF YOU RECALL, THE WIND POSSIBILITY OR THE WIND EXPANSION WAS ABOUT 450 MILES FROM THE CENTER OF THE STORM.
IT WAS A VERY LARGE STORM FROM THE BEGINNING WHERE WE FELT WIND IMPACTS AT A GREAT DISTANCE.
I BELIEVE WE WERE FEELING THE WINTER ON MONDAY. TUESDAY YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT TRACKED. WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY, THE BLUE BECAUSE IT LOST ITS HURRICANE STRENGTH AND BECAME THAT TROPICAL STORM AGAIN. SO LET'S JUMP RIGHT INTO THE FEMA OVER VIEW. IF YOU RECALL FROM, EXCUSE ME FROM IAN, THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FEMA PROGRAMS STARTING WITH INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT PUBLIC ASSISTANCE. CATEGORIES A-G. AT THE MOMENT.
IT'S PENDING APPROVAL, WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE BY FEMA.
I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH SENATOR RUBIO'S OFFICE. WE ARE WORKING ON LETTERS TO CONGRESSMAN RUTHERFORD AND SCOTT TO ASK US FOR INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE.
THESE ARE THE PLANS AVAILABLE IF FEMA DECLARES US APPLICABLE. THESE ARE THE TYPE OF PROGRAMS. IT WAS TURNED ON DURING IAN AND NOT FOR ST. JOHNS AS OF YET FOR NICOLE.
THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE IMPACT. I KNOW COMMISSIONER ARNOLD LAST TIME WITH IAN, YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF ASSESSMENT TEAM.
THESE ARE PRELIMINARY DONE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE STORM. FRIDAY, SATURDAY TO SUNDAY.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS. THIS WAS ALONG THE RIVER AS WELL.
OUR INITIAL ESTIMATES PUT AT $34 MILLION TO OUR RESIDENTS, A LOT OF THIS WAS IN THE CITY AND ALONG THE COAST, I AM SURE THERE STILL WILL BE IMPACTED REPORTED AND COMING IN.
OUR INITIAL ASSESSMENT WITH IAN WAS AROUND $30 MILLION. WE'RE LOOKING AT $4 MILLION MORE AT THIS SAME TIME DURING THIS STORM, THE POST STORM AS WHAT WE SAW WITH IAN.
HERE ARE PHOTOS. IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT.
IT'S NOT IN THE AUDIENCE. FROM COQUINA AVENUE. IT'S THREE TO FOUR FEET ON THAT HOUSE AND MANY OF THESE PHOTOS SHOW THE HIGH WATER MARKS. GENE JOHNSON, YOU CAN SEE THE HIGH WATER MARK THERE. THAT IS THE LEVEL AT WHICH THE WATER IS COMING INTO THE RESIDENTS HOMES. THIS IS SOME OF THE IMPACTS THAT WERE TAKEN FROM THE ASSESSMENT TEAMS THAT WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT DIFFERENT AREAS IN THE COMMUNITY.
HERE ARE THE HIGH WATER MARKS. FOURTH STREET WAS GETTING CLOSE TO SEVENTH FEET ALONG WITH ALOHA. THESE ARE COMPARABLE TO IAN. THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, OUR GIS DEPARTMENT, LAND MANAGEMENT DID A NUMBER OF HIGH WATER ESTIMATES.
THEY HAVE DONE IT OFF PREVIOUS STORMS. THIS IS DOMINANT IN AREAS ALONG THE COASTS. A COUPLE PLACES HIGHER AND A COUPLE PLACES LOWER.
SPECIFICALLY ALONG THE COAST, IT'S VERY, VERY COMPARABLE. SO MOVING FORWARD INTO PUBLIC ASSISTANCE. FIRST YOU HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE AND THE PROGRAMS NOT YET TURNED ON. NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT PUBLIC ASSISTANCE.
WE HAVE BEEN DEEMED ELIGIBLE FOR CATEGORY B WHICH IS EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE MEASURES.
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CATEGORIES A-G HAVE YET TO BE APPROVED. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, WE SPOKE AT LENGTH LETTING THE COMMUNITY KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULE WOULD BE FOR YARD WASTE.I SAID SATURDAY, I WISHED WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING BY MONDAY. MR. CALDWELL CAN ADDRESS THAT FOR YOU. WE DON'T HAVE THE SET SCHEDULE YET AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE NEWS REPORT. WHAT IS THE SCHEDULE OF WASTE REMOVAL.
THE DEBRIS REMOVAL HAS NOT BEEN TURNED IT ON BY FEMA. IN PREVIOUS STORMS, WE DO OFTENTIMES MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEBRIS REMOVAL CONTRACT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE DEBRIS NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. THEY ARE STILL WORKING WITH THAT.
I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN FURTHER NOTIFICATIONS. IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AS WE GET THROUGH THIS, MR. CALDWELL IS HERE. DEBRIS REMOVAL.
THEY ARE SCHEDULED TO BEGIN ON 21ST, NEXT WEEK. CATEGORY B IS THE EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE MEASURES. THAT IS WHAT WE DO HAVE, OR WHAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE CATEGORIZATION FOR. THIS IS EOS, FIRE RESCUE, GENERAL PROTECTION AND EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE BEACH DUNES. THAT IS THE CATEGORY WE HAVE BEEN TURNED ON FOR.
C, ROADS AND BRIDGES. YOU CAN SEE PHOTOS. THE RIGHT ONE IS SHOULDER STABILIZATION DONE ON COUNTY ROAD 14 AND THE SCOPE OF WORK AND COST ESTIMATES FOR PERMANENT REPAIRS ARE WORKED ON. OLD 1 A, WE HAVE ADDRESSED THIS AS SUMMER HAVEN NORTH AND SOUTH.
YOU RECOGNIZE MANY RESIDENTS KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. THIS IS THE NORTHERN PART NOT CLOSE TO MARINE LAND. IT'S CLOSER TO THE INSIDE OF THE COUNTY.
THE TEMPORARY REPAIRS WERE COMPLETE ON THE NOVEMBER 12TH. THE EXISTING PROJECTS FROM MATTHEW IS STILL BEING DONE. ROADS AND BRIDGES. NO KNOWN MAJOR DAMAGE TO THE BRIDGES. BUT AS YOU'RE VERY WELL AWARE, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT BEACH COLLAPSE F DOT AND PUBLIC WORKS, FIRE RESCUE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WAS OUT THERE ALL NIGHT AND THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT. WANT TO PLAY A QUICK CLIP OF THAT IF YOU CAN PLAY THAT TYLER
FOR ME. >> AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE IS THE TEMPORARY REPAIR, THE HOUSE WITH THE ROCKS BESIDE IT. THE ROAD WAS COMPLETELY CAVED IN AND BROKEN OFF THE NIGHT BEFORE. THERE WAS NO ROAD THERE. IT WAS GONE AND ESSENTIALLY IN THE WATER. WHAT THEY DID TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY PUT RIPRAP UNDER THE ROAD AND STABILIZE IT UNTIL THEY'RE ABLE TO COME AND PERMANENTLY STABILIZE IT.
COMMISSIONER DEAN, I BELIEVE YOU REFERENCED THE GOVERNOR GETTING A ROAD DONE IN THREE DAYS IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA, F DOT WAS ABLE TO REPAIR THIS IN LESS THAN I BELIEVE 12 HOURS FROM THE INITIAL INCIDENCE. THE GOVERNOR AND STATE AGENCIES ARE WORKING HARD.
THAT'S GOOD TYLER. THAT GIVES THEM AN EXAMPLE DO YOU HAVE THE OTHER FOOTAGE OF THE WASH OVER AND THE WHERE IT WAS DESTROYED. IF YOU WILL PLAY THAT FOR US AS WELL. GO BACK. THIS IS SUMMER HAVEN.
THERE SHOULD BE OTHER FOOTAGE IN THE SHARED DRIVE WHERE THE DESTRUCTION WAS.
NOT AFTER THE REPAIR. PRE-REPAIR. IF YOU DON'T, WE WILL KEEP MOVING. YOU CAN CLOSE IT OUT. IF YOU CAN PULL IT UP AT THE END, GO BACK TO THE POWER POINT. COUNTY CREWS PLACED PUMPED. PORPOISE POINT DURING HIGH TIDE.
CATEGORY E, BUILDINGS AND EQUIPMENT. OVERALL THE COUNTY FACILITIES FAIRED WELL. THE BEACH PIER IS APPARENTLY CLOSED PENDING A STRUCTURAL EVALUATION WHICH IS STANDARD AFTER EVERY STORM EVENT. THE PAVILION AT PONTE VEDRA PARK
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WAS DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR AND WE CONTINUE TO ASSESS DAMAGES. UTILITY DEPARTMENT FAIRED WELL.PARKS AND RECREATION AND OTHER FACILITIES, CATEGORY G. WALK BEACH WALK OVER.
THAT IS THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA PAVILION WAS DESTROYED. 26 PUBLIC SPACES ARE CLOSED.
THE EXTENSIVE DAMAGE WITH THE LOSS OF PAVILION AND SHORT DRIVE PARK EXPERIENCED EXTENSIVE DAMAGE WITH DOWNED TREES. CATEGORY G, ELIGIBLE BEACH REPAIR.
I'M GOING TO TRY NOT TO GET OUT OF MY LANE HERE. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU ENGINEERED BEACHES ARE THE ONES THAT QUALIFY UNDER CATEGORY G.
NOT ALL OF OUR BEACHES QUALIFY UNDER THAT AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN DEEMED FOR CATEGORY G REPLACEMENT AND REPAIR WHICH IS WHAT SOME OF OUR BEACHES WOULD BE ACCESSED THROUGH FEMA IF WE WERE TO GET CATEGORY G DESIGNATION. BEACHES GENERALLY APPEAR TO HAVE THE EXPERIENCE MORE EROSION THAN WHAT WE SAW IN MATTHEW AND IRMA BECAUSE OF THE STORM PLACEMENT.
WHERE THE STORM CAME ON LAND. SUMMER HAVEN HAS PASSED CONVENTIONAL REPAIR.
THIS IS SOMETHING COMMISSIONER DEAN YOU TALKED ABOUT FEDERAL, STATE AND COUNTY TOGETHER.
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT. YOU ALL AMONGST YOURSELF. IT CONTINUES TO GET WORSE.
NOTHING NEW. ALL OF YOU HAVE SEEN IT. IT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR IT. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE DOOMSDAYER BUT WE HAVE TO SAY IT PUBLICLY. IT'S ONLY GETTING WORSE AND WORSE.
WE WILL TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT THE DRONE FOOTAGE HERE AS WELL. TYLER, IF YOU CAN, I BELIEVE IT'S 3:45 OF THIS VIDEO. WE DON'T NEED TO SEE ALL THAT. FAST FORWARD TO 3:45.
AS YOU CAN SEE, I BELIEVE THESE HOMES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE REFERENCED.
WE'RE GETTING UP CLOSER TO THE ORPHAN HOMES. THIS WAS THE MAJOR BREECH TAKEN ON THE 11TH. AFTER THE STORM. YOU CAN SEE THE OCEAN COME COMPLETELY COME IN THERE. THOSE ARE THE ONES REFERRED TO AS ORPHAN HOME.
THEY STAND BEYOND THE BREECH AND INACCESSIBLE FROM THE NORTH OR SOUTH OTHER THAN BY BOATING ACCESS. I'M GOING TO LET THIS PLAY FOR JUST ABOUT A MINUTE.
YOU WILL SEE THE DRONE PAST THE ORPHAN HOMES AND GIVE YOU A LOOK BACK SOUTH.
YOU GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING. IT DOES NOT SHOW THE FIRST COUPLE HOMES ALONG SUMMER HAVEN
WHAT WE CALL SOUTH. >> HUNTER, WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS.
CAN I TALK? >> YES, SIR, PLEASE. >> A LITTLE HISTORY FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT SOUTHERN END OF SUMMER HAVEN BEACH, WHERE A PREVIOUS COMMISSION YEARS AGO ACCEPTED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FROM DOT WHAT WAS A1 A AND NOW IT'S THE OLD A 1 A. THE 2010-2012 COMMISSIONER INTERESTED INTO A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. THE HOMEOWNERS SUED AND WE ENTERED INTO A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WHERE WE THE COUNTY AGREED TO MAINTAIN VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE HOMES AND DID YOU SEE THE ONE THAT HAS WATER ON BOTH SIDES? WE'RE RESPONSIBLE UNDER THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. MY PITCH IS I'M NOT DEMANDING THAT WE EXERCISE CONDEMNATION ON THE HOMEOWNERS. I'M SUGGESTING.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE PAY FOR IT ALONE AS A COUNTY. I HAVE GOTTEN EXCITABLE E-MAILS.
I HAVE GOTTEN EXCITABLE E-MAILS POINTING OUT THAT QUOTE, I'M A JOKE AND THERE'S NO WAY IN A CERTAIN PLACE BELOW GROUND, THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEIR TAX MONEY IS GOING TO SAVE MILLIONAIRS HOMES. WHAT I SUGGESTED IS, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MORE IN COSTS AND EXPENSES TO IMPLEMENT THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT OVER TIME THAN TO BUY THE HOMES.
I REACHED OUT TO FEDERAL AND STATE LEADERSHIP TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO JOIN US IN THAT JOINT EFFORT. BECAUSE ALL THREE ENTITIES, ENCOURAGED THESE HOMES, APPROVED THESE HOMES. SILENCE BY ACQUIESCENCE BY SILENCE.
WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS. I WANTED TO GIVE A BACKGROUND OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN AND WHY. I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DO THIS STANDING ALONE AS A COUNTY AND
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NOT SUGGESTING WE EXERCISE CONDE CONDEMNATION.A JOINT EFFORT TO SAVE TAXPAYERS OVER TIME. THAT'S MY SALE PITCH.
>> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YOU WILL SEE THIS IS REMAINING FOOTAGE AS YOU LOOK BACK SOUTH TO A 1 A. TYLER, YOU CAN STOP THE FOOTAGE TH THERE. SO JUST HIGHLIGHTS OF ADDITIONAL OPERATIONS. PUBLIC SERVICE AND WASTE MANAGEMENT RESUMED THEIR REGULARLY-SCHEDULED ROUTES FOR THEIR WASTE MANAGEMENT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
RESIDENTS CAN SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR HURRICANE NICOLE DEBRIS REMOVAL.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE SCHEDULE BUT THERE'S A METHOD BY WHICH RESIDENTS CAN ASK FOR THAT.
THE ENGINEERING DIVISION HAS CONDUCTED PRE-AND POST ASSET AND WE ARE WORKING TO SHORE UP
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IN TOWARD ON SECURE CATEGORY A-G CATEGORIES. >> YOU CAN SEE THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS. WHAT A STORM DOES AND WHEN BUSINESSES CLOSE UP AND ARE UNABLE TO SELL PRODUCTS AND WHAT THAT DOES TO THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE ESTABLISHMENTS.
HEALTH AND WELL BEING. THE HSSHOUSING IS DOING OUTREACH TO IMPACTED AREAS OF WEST AUGUSTINE ON NOVEMBER 15TH, WHICH IS TODAY. PHOTOGRAPHS WILL GO THROUGH THESE AGAIN. YOU SAW SUMMER HAVEN. THIS IS WHERE THE BREECH TOOK PLACE. AGAIN MORE PHOTOS OF SUMMER HAVEN.
YOU SAW DRONE FOOTAGE WHICH TELLS MUCH AND MOST OF THE STORY.
THOSE ARE THE HOMES BETWEEN SUMMER HAVEN RIVER AND THE COAST.
THAT'S WHAT IS GOING ON THERE. NORTH SUMMER HAVEN, THAT IS FURTHER NORTH AND THE ROAD PUT IN. THERE IS A BLACK OBJECT IN THE CENTER OF THE SECOND PICTURE.
THAT WAS THE TARP PLACED DOWN TO STABILIZE THE ROAD. NICOLE TORE THEM ALL UP.
PUBLIC WORKS IS WORKING TO GET THEM CLEANED UP. THE ROAD PUT IN THERE TO HELP THE HOMEOWNERS BACK IS DESTROYED ONCE AGAIN. NOTHING YOU DON'T KNOW.
OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU HAVE STORMS SO QUICKLY BACK TO BACK, NO MATTER HOW HARD WE MAY TRY, THERE'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE DAMAGE. IT'S THIS CONSTANT RESPONDING TO THIS. YOUR DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING HARD.
HERE'S NORTH BEACH. THE ROAD DESTROYED. SEVERAL MORE PICTURES TO SHOW YOU. RIGHT ALONG THE ROAD FORTUNATELY DIDN'T DO AND MORE ON THAT PORTION. AS YOU SAW, THE OTHER PORTION ON A 1 A, THAT PORTION DIDN'T GO ANY MORE IN. IT'S VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
IT WAS SIGNIFICANT COASTAL EROSION, SPECIFICALLY ON THE BACK OF IAN WITH NICOLE COMING IN. SOUTH PONTE VEDRA NORTH BEACH. WE THANK OUR STATE WORKERS, DD - F DOT AND FIRE RESCUE. THERE'S THE END OF MY REPORT. YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY DID IN A MATTER OF HOURS IS QUITE AMAZING. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THEY DO IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ACTUALLY GO IN AND DO IT. THERE'S THE DRONE FOOTAGE.
NO ACTION NECESSARY ON MY REPORT. WE ARE HERE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS
YOU WANT TO HAVE RELATED TO THE MR. >> THANK
>> NO. NOT NOW. I I DON'T THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE THE SPECIFIC INFORMATION TODAY TO GO IN TO ANY IN DEPTH STRATEGY DISCUSSIONS.
WE HAVE A HEAVY LIFT IN FRONT OF US OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR AND THAT INCLUDES THAT ONE TIME PLACEMENT BETWEEN SERENATA BEACH CLUB, THE PONTE VEDRA BEACH.
ONE TIME, LOCAL, NOTHING TO DO WITH FEDS. IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE FEMA BERM ENHANCEMENT. SINCE IT WAS AN APPROVED PROJECT, SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH AND VILANO DID NOT HAVE THE LUXURY OF THE BERM ENHANCEMENT. IT'S WIPED OUT AND TOTALLY EXPOSED AGAIN WITH NO POSSIBILITY IN THE NEAR TERM THAT I CAN SEE TO RECONSTRUCT THAT BEACH. SO I'M STILL WORKING WITH JOE AND DAMON AND THE STAFF TO TRY
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TO COME UP WITH A PLAN B. BUT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE SORT OF WONDERING WHAT TO DO.THAT'S THAT SIX MILES. THAT'S A SIX-MILE STRETCH THAT WE WERE SO HAPPY TO GET THE ONE-TIME PLACEMENT DONE WITH RESPECT TO VILANO AND SAINT AUGUSTINE.
THE FED ARE THE COMMITTED ON THEIR NICKEL TO COME IN AND RENOURISH THE BEACH.
THEY WERE ALREADY DOING THAT AFTER THE YEAR 2021 NOREASTER. NOW THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT STARTING THIS SUMMER PROBABLY. IS THAT CORRECT, HUNTER?
>> THAT LEAVES A BIG QUESTION MARK OF HOW W SUMMER HAVEN WHICH I JUST HIGHLIGHTED. AND ALL PONTE VEDRA BEACH. BUT CHRISTA IS GOING TO WORK
THAT OUT. I HOPE. >> NO PRESSURE.
>> THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AND JOE, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD IS THAT THE ACTION OF THE BOARD TOOK FOR THE EASEMENTS FOR HURRICANE IAN, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING THAT EASEMENT REQUEST IS PERPETUAL. THAT WILL HELP US IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A NICOLE PROJECT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK OUT AGAIN. WE ARE TRYING TO WORK THAT PROCESS OUT NOW AND WE JUST GOT THE PRELIMINARY DATA OF WHAT WE LOST IN HURRICANE IAN AND IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SAND LOSS THAN IN MATTHEW. MATTHEW WAS ABOUT 1.4 MILLION CUBIC YARDS OF SAND. WE LOST I WOULD SAY, WE'RE ABOUT HALF A MILLION MORE IN HURRICANE IAN. WE WILL GO AND FLY SURVEYS IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS HERE.
EXCUSE ME, AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, I WILL COME BACK WITH THE COSTS AND ASSESSMENTS OF
WHAT THE BEACH LOOKS LIKE AFTER NICOLE. >> THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT COMPLETES THE REPORT ON OUR POST STORM REPORT.
WELL, I WANT TO COMING BACK TO THE DAIS. AGAIN, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING UNLESS WE ARE SURPRISED BY MORE ARCANE LEGISLATIVE RULES, THIS WAS MY LAST MEETING AS CHAIRMAN.
AND THE PRIMARY THING I WANT TO DO IS TO THANK THE STAFF. THIS IS MY SECOND TIME SERVING AS CHAIRMAN. I SERVED IN 2018 AND I SERVED AGAIN THIS YEAR.
AND I JUST CAN'T TELL YOU HOW PROUD I AM OF THIS STAFF. THEIR PROFESSIONAL, THEIR RESPONSIVE, I HAVE SO MANY E-MAILS AND THANK YOU NOTES FROM CITIZENS WHO SAY THEY JUST CAN'T BELIEVE HOW QUICKLY THE STAFF RESPONDED AND WHAT A GOOD JOB. IT STARTS
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.