Nov 03, 2022 Planning and Zoning Agency

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>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE STAND FOR THAT. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODCE THE NEW S MEMBER OF OUR AGENCY, MR. HENRY GREEN WHO JOINS US FROM HAVING BEEN ON THE AGENCY BACK IN THE '90S AND SO WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU, HENRY, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION.

>> . >> THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE YOUR VOTE OF CONFIDENCE AND ALSO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR THE CONFIDENCE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YES, SIR. >> LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. SO MEGAN, COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT.

>> MS. PERKINS: THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST DO SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER. ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN.

SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF.

THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIM DUGE THE ME THE ON EACH ITEM SPHOOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH IS THREE MINUTES SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY.

IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR THE AGENCY OR THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THECOMMUNICATION.

CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES. WE WILL A VIDE ALL PERSONAL

ATTACKS. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

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DURING THIS TIME YOU MAY COMMENT ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA OR YOU MAY COMMENT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA.

THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC COMMENT TIME FRAME FOR EACH ITEM ON THE AGENDA IN ADDITION TO THIS TIME FRAME, SO AT THIS TIME DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? OKAY.

DOES ANYONE WANT TOO MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON ITEM NUMBER 1 ON THE AGENDA, AND CALL UP MR. WESTER. AND WHILE HE'S COMING UP HERE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE? I DO. I GOT AN EMAIL ON ACTUALLY MY MAT SPREEN A & COMPANY EMAIL EXPLAINING DPB MATOVINA & COMPY EMAIL EXPLAINING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AND I RESPOND TODAY BRAD AND SAID THANK YOU. I HAVE A COPY OF THAT EMAIL IF THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE THAT FOR THE RECORD DO DO YOU WANT EYE A COPY OF THT EMAIL FOR THE RECORD?

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: I ALSO GOT AN EMAIL FROM MR. WESTER EXPLAINING THE APPLICATION.

I DID NOT RESPOND, I BELIEVE, BUT I WILL GET THE STAFF A COPY OF THE EMAIL.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I MAY HAVE HAD AN EMAIL FROM HIM BUT I CAN'T GET INTO MY EMAIL ACCOUNT FROM THE -- FOR THE PZA SO I DON'T KNOW. YOU PROBABLY SENT ME ONE BUT I'M SORRY IF I DIDN'T SIGHT AND I DIDN'T RESPOND.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT, MR. WESTER.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. I THANK YOU.

BRAD WESTER, DRIVER, MCAFEE HAWTHORNE & DIEBENOW.

ONE INDEPENDENT DRIVE SUITE 1200, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA 3202. I WILL GO THROUGH MY PRESENTATION. AND THEN I HAVE EXHIBITS AS NEEDED FOR THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.

BUT WE'RE HAPPY AND EXCITED TO BE HERE TODAY TO INTRODUCE YOU TO ST. H. ST. JOHNS COMMERCE PARK.

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CPA SMALL SCALE 2022-10 AND THEN PUD 2022-16.

THIS IS A IN CONJUNCTION WITH AIR DEVELOPMENT TEAM, TERRA LINDA DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS A SUBSIDIARY OF THE KLOTZ GROUP OF COMPANIES. MYSELF AS THE ACT, ALIGN ENGINEERING, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER IS HERE.

ATLANTIC ECOLOGICAL SERVICES FOR ALL HABITAT AND WETLANDS, AND THEN BOAT WRITE LAND SURVEYORS. THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP THIS IS A 40.33-ACRE SITE. AS YOU SEE IT'S GENERALLY IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF I-95 AND STATE ROAD 16 TO COUNTY RADIOED 208 WHERE 208 ACCESSES 16 THERE. THIS IS THE AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE CURRENTLY IT'S OPERATING AS THE ANCIENT CITY SHOOTING RANGE.

ON THAT 30-ACRE PARCEL RIGHT THERE.

AND THEN TO THE LEFT IS A WETLAND CONSERVATION EASEMENT AREA. I'LL GO THROUGH THE VARIOUS USES THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY WIND MITIGATION TRAINING CENTER.

THIS IS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY OPERATION, EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER, ACTUALLY THAT IS POINTING TO THE MOCKS MOSQUIL SCWICT P THE THERE'S THE ANSWER STACIA MOSQUITO CONTROL FACILITY. THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CO-OP WITH UF WHICH IS THE AGRICULTURAL CENTER.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE ST. JOHNS SHERIFFS EVER SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMMUNICATIONS AND TRAINING FACILITY.

THIS IS A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM COMMERCIAL B AND RURAL/SILVICULTURE TO EXPAND ON THE MIXED USE ON 20 ACRES ROUGHLY.

IT ALSO IS A COMPANION REZONING FROM OPEN RURAL TO PUD.

ON THE TOTAL 40 ACRES. AND INI'LL EXPLAIN WHY THERE'S A TWIRCHES DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 20 AND THE 40.

THIS IS AIR REDEVELOPMENT OF AN EXISTING GUN RANGE FOR COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE USES.

THERE ARE NO WETLAND. THERE'S NO HABITAT OR SPECIES OF CONCERN. AND NO FLOODPLAINS ON THE PROPERTY. THE EXISTING FLUME DESIGNATIONS ARE EXPLICIT I, BASICALLY SPLITTING THE UNIFIED OWNERSHIP EXPBS A NOTICED NOTED LF THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT MIXED USE, RES-B AND RURAL/SILVICULTURE. WE'RE TAKING ALL THOSE HAD TO MIXED USE. THE CPA WILL SHIFT THE MIXED USE LAND USE LINE TO ENCOMPASS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY TO THE EARNED WESTERN BOUNDER. IT ARE WILL ALLOW USES CONSIST WITH OFFICE PROFESSIONAL AND THERE'S BUN WAIVER REQUEST WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY TO PROVIDE AN INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN LIEU A DAITD MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT THIS TIME.

AND THIS WILL NOT BE IN ANY RESIDENTIAL.

NO RESIDENTIAL IS INCLUDED IN THIS PUD.

THIS IS SUBJECT PROPERTY SHOWING THE FUTURE LAND FUTURE LAU CAN SEE MY LASER YOU POINTER SHOWING THIS LIGHT PURPLE PURPLE IS THE MIXED USE DISTRICT HERE, AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ASKING FOR THAT MIXED USE DISTRICT LINE TO BE PULLED OVER TO THE PROPERTY EDGE HERE, THE WESTERN PROPERTY EDGE.

SO THIS MIXED USE LINE WEED D PULLED OVER AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO THIS PURPLE WOULD THEN SHOW A PULLED OVER TO THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, REALLY IN CONTEXT WITH THIS BUYER AREA, SO IF YOU FOLLOW MY POINTER, THIS MIXED USE DISTRICT WOULD THEN FOLLOW A NATURAL DEMARCATION OF DISRK AND THIS AREA IS MAINLY WETLAND AND RURAL/SILVICULTURE LAND DOWN THROUGH THE EXISTING MIXED USE LINE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE ASKING FOR A PUD REZONING, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A ZONING MAP. AND THEN THIS IS THE ZONING JUST NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. SO AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE COMES DOWN AND GOES THROUGH THIS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE DISTRICT DOWN THROUGH PAST THE PUBLIC PROPERTY AND THEN THE SITE IS RIGHT THERE.

SO YOU CAN SEE IT IN CONTEXT WITH THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL USES, ASKING IN THIS CASE FOR A PUD REZONING.

THIS IS THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

IT SHOWS THE TWO PARCELS TOGETHER, THE ROUGHLY 40 ACRES.

IT HAS THE PROGRAMMED BUFFERS INCLUDED AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WITH ONE SINGLE ACCESS POINT OUT TO AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE, AND THE REASON BEING IS THERE IS I.S THIS IS A GATED ACCESS GOING SOUTH INTO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WAY THAT GOES DOWN TO THE SHERIFFS TRAINING FACILITY.

IS AND SO WE'VE GOT BUFFERS ALL AROUND THE SITE, NO ACCESS.

WE HAVE INTERCONNECTOR AND THOSE INTERCONNECTIVITY POINTS WOULD LODGE BE A PART OF ANY INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS IN THE FUTURE. IT HAS TO HAVE THE AGREEMENT

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NESS THIS IS A CONCEPT IN THE E WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.

THIS IS ALL 310,000 PLUS OR MINUS SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE ON ONE SINGLE PROPERTY WHICH IS PARCEL A UP HERE. THE THAT CERTAINLY COULD BE SPREAD DOWN TO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AREA ON PARCEL B AS WELL, BUT THIS SHOWS WHAT THE 310,000 SQUARE FEET PLUS OR MINUS COULD LOOK LIKE ON THE PROPERTY WITH A MIXTURE OF PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, COMMERCIAL, AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE VARIOUS USES AROUND THERE, EOC, THE MOKSDZ CONTROL, THE WET D. MOSQUITO CONTROL, WETLAND CONSERVATION AREA WHICH IS BACKED UP SO THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE BECAUSE IT IS A WETLAND MITIGATION CONSERVATION EASEMENT, AND THEN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFFS TRAINING FACILITY, AND THIS IS A CLOSED ROAD HERE WITH A GATED ACCESS ONLY INTO THAT PROPERTY. AND YOU CAN SEE IN CONTEXT I-95 AND THEN AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE AS IT DIMENSIONS NORTH.

WE 2 REACH OUT TO ALL THE ENTITY AND ALL THE GOVERNMENTAL HAD NO ISSUES OR CONCERNS WITH THE PROPOSED USE.

THIS WILL PROVIDE COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE OPPORTUNITIES ON AN INFILL SITE WITH NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.

IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOVERNMENT FACILITY USES AND THE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, COMMERCIAL INTENSE AND COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE ZONING THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR DOWN AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

IT DOES ELIMINATE THE PRIVATE SHOOTING RANGE.

PROMOTES VIZ A BULL OF I-95 FOR COMRS PFN IT INCLUDES INTERCONNECTIVITY AS APPROPRIATE AND, OF COURSE, SIDEWALKS OUT ON THE FRONTAGE. WITH THAT SHORT AND SWEET PRESENTATION, I WILL LEAVE IT BACK TO THE LORD TO THE BY

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD? DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: BRAD, YOU SAID YOU HAD REACHED OUT TO ALL THE COIN AND GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES OUT THERE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, SO WITH THE NEW SHERIFFS COMMAND CENTER, I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE'S MONEY APPROPRIATED FOR IT AND IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT SOMEWHERE. I WOULD THINK THIS AREA WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THAT. THEY'RE NO INTERESTED IN THIS

PROPERTY FOR THAT USE? >> SPEAKER: NO, WE HAVE NO INTEREST -- WE HAD NO DISCUSSION WITH THEM BAITS BASED ON THE INTEREST OF THEM COMING ONTO THIS SITE AT ALL.

THIS WILL BE REALLY BUSINESS COMMERCE, PROFESSIONAL, INDUSTRIAL, AND CERTAINLY GOVERNMENT USES COULD GO IN THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE PROGRAMMED IN THE PERMISSIBLE USES, SO IF THERE IS ANY ADDITIONAL GOVERNMENT USES THAT NEED TO POTENTIALLY LEASE A SPACE OR BUY SOME LAND IN THERE, THEY COULD CERTAINLY, BUT RIGHT NOW THIS IS MAINLY JUST AN ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM TO SHIFT THAT MIXED USE LINE OVER TO THE PROPERTY EDGE WHERE IT LOGICALLY SHOULD BE AND, OF COURSE, BECAUSE IT'S GREACIALT 10-ACRE ADD A PLANNED UNIT REZONING TO IT.

THE SHERIFF AND HIS STAFF WAS GENERALLY -- THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT IT. BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A 30-FOOT BUSTER ON NORTH SIDE OF THAT LAND ALREADY PROGRAM IN THEIR PUD AND WE'VE GOT A BUFFER AS WELL ON OUR PROPERTY.

AND WE'RE PAYING -- THERE'S PROTECTION TO IT PAUSE THEY'VE NOT SECURITY ACCESS DOWN AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE AS IT DURNS INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT WAY, AND THEN WE CERTAINLY WILL WORK WOULD THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ON ANY IMPROVEMENTS THEY HAVE, INCLUDING TO THAT ACCESS BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ACCESS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT AND MORE SECURE, AND THEY HAVE AN 80-FOOT EASEMENT OUT THERE ON THE ROAD FRONTAGE RIGHT NOW AND CERTAIN WE'RE PLANNING A SIDEWALK IN THAT AREA SO WE'LL WORK WITH THEM ON THAT AND THEY KNOW THAT. WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THEM.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, THE FIRST PAGE OR TWO I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE AN EASY ONE.

I'LL VOTE FOR THIS. THEN I STARTED READING AND LOOKING AT THE MAPS, AND YOUR -- BECAUSE I HAVE SPROATD FOR OTHER PROJECTS RIGHT OUT THERE ON THE NORTHERN PART OF AGRICULTURAL CENTER WAY, BUT THEN I STARTED LOOKING AT ALL THE GOVERNMENT LAND USES AROUND THERE AND I WAS THINKING, WELL, THIS ISN'T THAT COMPATIBLE WITH IT. THEN I SAW YOU WANTED AN INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL FOR THIS, WHICH I'M GENERALLY AGAINST AND I HAVE VOTED AGAINST INCREMENTAL PLANS BEFORE IF YOU CAN'T SPECIFY EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE. I DON'T LIKE VOTING TO JUST GIVE AN ENTITLEMENT TO A PROPERTY. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS A HALF MILE UP THE ROAD, THAT MIGHT -- WHERE THERE ARE OTHER INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES, THAT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE TO ME, BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC OUT THERE, PARTICULARLY STATE ROAD 16 AND 208 AND I-95, THAT INTERSECTION.

IN MY OPINION, THAT INTERSECTION IS A NIGHTMARE.

I KNOW THERE'S SOME IMPROVEMENTS BEING UNDERTAKEN RIGHT NOW BY FDOT AT THAT INTERSECTION, BUT I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE RECENTLY,

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WHAT SORT OF TRAFFIC ARE YOU ANTICIPATING? AND ARE THESE GOING TO BE LARGE TRUCKS BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TIME NEGOTIATING THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION. THOSE ARE SOME REAL TIGHT TURNS THERE, SHORT TURN LANES, AND THE TRAFFIC THERE IS AWFUL.

FRANKLY AWFUL. >> SPEAKER: AS YOU KNOW, I'LL START AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP. AND I'LL SUBMIT ALL THIS ON THE RECORD WHEN I'M DONE WITH MY FULL PRESENTATION.

BUT I WANTED TO PUT THIS UP HERE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SURE, PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER:NESS THE >>M COUNTY FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TRAINING CHILT WHICH ALSO HAS A CLAUSE IN THERE THE APPLICANT WILL FILE SHUMENT INSTRUMENT AM INCREMENTAL PLAN SITES AS FORE IMPROVEMENT THESE STRAIGHT OUT OF PUD FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TRAINING FACILITY SOAP IT'S VERY COMMENCE WERE AT A MARGARET DISMAND AND A DEMAND-BASED INCENTIVE TO ALLOW THE NEEDS AS THEY ARISE WITHOUT COMING IN WITH MASSIVE MAJOR MODS OR MINOR MODS TO THE PUD. THE INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS IS CLEARLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW MANUAL TO ALLOW THAT BUT THAT'S IN THE PUD NEXT DOOR.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: BUT THIS WAS BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WANTING THE INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

>> SPEAKER: SHEART. THIS IS SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT PUD

RIGHT HERE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: IT MIGHT NOT BE POPULAR TO SAY THIS BUT I ACTUALLY DO TRUST GOFD TO PERHAPS DO THE RIGHT THING OUT THERE THAN SOMETIMES PRIVAT ENTERPRISE TO MEET ALL THOSE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.

SO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WANTING SOMETHING, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO WANT TO VOTE AGAINST THAT.

I DON'T THINK I COULD. BUT I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T LIKE INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND I HAVE VOTED AGAINST THOSE BEFORE. BUT SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND I WOULD LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: BUT THANK

YOU FOR THAT. >> SPEAKER: THIS IS THE INITIAL TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE PROVIDED AS PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPLICATION AS WELL AS THE PUD APPLICATION.

AS YOU KNOW, NON-RESIDENTIAL IS EXEMPT FROM CONCURRENCY AND PROPORTIONATE SHARE. AND AS WRITTEN IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE WILL ASSESS THE TRUE ACCESS STANDARD IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS. THIS WILL GENERATE 2:62 P.M.

PEAK HOUR TRIPS, WHICH IS TYPICALLY THE STANDARD AND THEN 2,030 DAILY TRIPS. AS YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN EXCHANGE UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW, THE BARRELS AND CONES ARE OUT THERE.

SO THAT IS A TRAFFIC FLOW IMPROVEMENT ON EITHER SIDE OF 1E OF I-95. AND IT DOES COME OUT TO 208 ALMOST TO OUR ACCESS POINT HERE AT AGRICULTURAL CENTER LIVE.

THE SEGMENT THAT WE ACCESS, DIRECTLY ACCESS ON LINK 32 WHICH IS COUNTY ROAD 208 IS OPERATING ONLY A 40.2%, 40.2% CAPACITY BASED ON THE TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC.

SO WE FEEL THAT THE USES ARE VERY COMPATIBLE AND COMMENSURATE WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW OUT THERE AS OPPOSED -- AND INCLUDING THE 8 PLUS MILLION DOLLAR IMPROVEMENTS AT INTERCHANGE.

I HOPE TO THAT ANSWERS THOSE QUESTIONS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT DPREASES THE ADDRESSES THE QUESTIONS, BUT TO ME THAT INTERSECTION EVEN WITH THE IMPROVEMENT, I TOLD AN ATTORNEY IN HERE A FEW WEEKS AGO, I WOULD EAT MY HAT IF THAT REALLY IMPROVED MUCH OUT THERE, PARTICULARLY WITH ELEVATION POINT GOING TO BE COMING ONLINE AND SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED OUT THERE NEAR THAT INTERSECTION. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO OVERWHELM IT AGAIN. WE DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROADS AND THEN MORE GET -- MORE DEVELOPMENT GETS A HAVE APPROVED AND HIGHER DENSITIES AND ALL THAT, AND IT DUMPS MORE TRAFFIC ON THOSE SAME ROADS. BUT THOSE WERE GOOD ANSWERS AND I ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOUR FORTHRIGHTLESS AND IN YOUR AN.

YOU'RE VERY GOOD AT IT. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

WE'VE ALSO ADD A PROHIBITED LIST TO ANY M IN THE MDP TEXT TO EXCLUDE SING UP AS ADULT PARLORS AND PAHOKEE STORES, ADULT GAMING AND. MASSAGES PARLORS, PSYC, INC., ABLE AND RV SALES AND OUTDOOR RECREATION IN THIS PUD SPECIFICALLY. IT IS STRICTLY LISTED FOR

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THIS ISN'T A BIG BOX TYPE OF PROJECT.

THIS SAYS MORE IN-LINE, INSTIFFLY DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS THAT ARE VERY COMMENSURATE WITH SOME OF THE USES ALONG RARLG AGRICULTURAR LIVE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED IT WOULD BE, BUT 2,030 TOTAL DAILY TRIPS, AND A LOT OF THEM WOULD BE TRUCKS, I ASSUME.

>> SPEAKER: AND THE 310,000 SQUARE FEET IS NOT MAXIMIZE 10 TOTAL INTENSITY THAT COULD BE ACROSS THE HOTEL 310 ACRES.

THAT COULD BE ET SPREAD ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SOUTH WESTERN.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WE'VE MADE OUR ROUNDS TO THE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES.

THEY HAD NO CONCERNS, AND ACTUALLY GENERALLY THE MOSQUITO CONTROL WHICH FLIES HELICOPTERS IN AND OUT OF THERE, ASKED ABOUT THE PINE TREES. ARE THEY COMING DOWN? ARE THEY STAYING UP? AND WE CERTAINLY WANT TO KEEP A BUFFER AROUND THERE, BUT WE APPRECIATED THAT, THAT CONTEXT TO THEIR NEEDS TO MAYBE SUIT THEIR NEEDS AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEIR NEEDS MAY BE TWHER FLIGHT PATH.

AS YOU KNOW, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS A TRAINING FACILITY THAT INCLUDES AN OUTDOOR SHOOTING RANGE AS WELL AS A VEHICLE TACTICAL COURSE, AND THOSE BOTH DO CREATE A LOT OF NOISE. SO -- AND THEY HAVE A HEIGHT UP TO 60 FEET. OUR HEIGHT IS ONLY UP TO 45 FEET. SO WE'RE VERY COMPATIBLE AND COMMENSURATE WITH THE AREA. THERE ARE TWO COMOWN CASE TOWERS BOWFS BO EXRVMENT AND THAT ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN WE WILL EVER BUILD INCLUDING THE WHOO SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS PROGRAMMED IN THEIR PUD. TUT ABOUT IMVP IS REALLY FOR REFLECT WITH THE MARKET. WE'VE GOT -- IT'S CONFIDENTIAL.

WE'VE GOT USERS THAT ARE LINED UP RIGHT NOW.

AND SO THE DEMAND IS THERE RIGHT NOW FOR THIS TYPE OF USE AND THIS TYPE OF FACILITY AND IT IS A REALLY GOOD INFILL FACILITY.

IT IS -- IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, TAKE ALL ST. JOHNS COUNTY INTO CONTEXT THIS IS CENTRALLY LOCATED IN ALL OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. ON A VERY GOOD CORRIDOR THAT'S IMPROVING AS FAR AS TRAFFIC BECAUSE.

TROOFTS THAT DOT IS MAKING AS WELL AS THE COMMITMENTS AS WELL AS I'M 65 AND FROM A BUSINESS. STANDPOINT THIS IS, VERY, VERY PRIME. I DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL EVER BE RESIDENTIAL OR RURAL/SILVICULTURE BECAUSE IT'S RS RIGHT NOW. I FILED FOR A INTERPRETIVE VERIFICATION WITH THE VOYNE BACK IN JANUARY ASKING WHY THIS PROPERTY WAS SPLIT WITH THROUGH A DITCH LAND USES.

WHY IS MIXED USE ONLY ON A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

AND WHEN THEY WERE FORMING THE COMPREHENSIVE FLEAN GENERALLY TIE TRY TO TAKE A LOGICAL BOUNDARY.

IN THIS CASE IT WAS A UNIFIED BOUNDARY BUT THERE WITH A PROPERTY SPLIT IF YOU WILL WITH LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT MIXED USE LINE ADAPTED TO.

IT REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PULLEDY ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WHICH IS UNONE STINL ISN'T COMMON OWNERSHIP AND ACTUALLY ABUTS AN ADOPTED, APPROVED, WETLANDS MITIGATION AREA TO THE WEST, SO NOTHING WILL BE BUILT OVER THERE AS WELL. IT'S A VERY EXATDIBLE USE, A COLLABORATIVE. AND THE PRIVATE GUN RANGE IS

GOING AWAY AS WELL. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DID NOT UTILIZE AIFNT CITY GUN RANGE?

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF PRIVATE FOLKS DO OR NOT BUT THEY'VE THE GOOVER THEN TRAINING FACILITY NO.

IT'S VERY HIGH TECH AND BUILT JUST FOR THEM.

BUT THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT SITE.

AGAIN YOU CAN SEE ON THE USGS FOAP OH MAP THIS HAS BEEN DISTURBED BY MAN FOR QUITE A WHILE WITH THE PREVIOUS USE IN THE AREA AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT AND THE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

SO THANK YOU. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT USING THAT SHOOTING RANGE MYSELF BUT THEN I FOUND OUT YOU HAD TO HAVE A YEAR-LONG MEMBERSHIP TO IT.

AND SO THE MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICT WANTS THE PINE TREES DOWN? I USED TO FLY ON HELICOPTERS FREQUENTLY AND I UNDERSTAND THE PERILS OF TAKEOFFS AND LANDING

WITH TREES NEARBY OR BUILDINGS. >> SPEAKER: IT WAS JAWS A CONVERSATION POINT MEETING WITH THEM, NOTING THEY DO HAVE A HELICOPTER THAT DOES LAND THERE. AND SO THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, AND WE CERTAINLY ARE GOING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND WORK WITH ANY OF THE BAWNGT PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA BECAUSE WE LONG-TERM THERE. AS WE FILL OUT THE TEANT SPACES.

BUT CERTAINLY IF THERE'S AN ISSUE.

IF YOU WILL NOTICE OUR ON MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE'VE GOT AREAS FOR INTERCONNECTIVITY. AND IF YOU DON'T -- IF YOU JUST ONE MINUTE, I'LL SHOW YOU THIS. WE PROGRAMMED THESE ARROWS FOR PEDESTRIAN AND POSSIBLE VEHICLE INTERCONNECTIVITY POINTS, AND REALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS THERE WILL BE SOME VERY, VERY LIMITED ACCESSORY RESTAURANT IN HERE. THERE MIGHT BE A SMALL DINER THAT'S TUCKED IN THERE FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES IN THIS WHOLE AREA. THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A SINGLE ONE-OFF BIG RESTAURANT. ITES NOT MEANT FOR THAT, IT WON'T CARRY THAT, BUT IT'S MEANT FOR MAYBE A LUNCH PLACE, AND SO

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SO WHEN WE FILE AN INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE GREATEST DEGREE OF SCIEWRTD AND OUR LANDOWNERS MAYBE A SIDEWALK TO THOSE GOVERNMENTAL SEUSS A POSITIVE THING TO ALLOW FOLKS TO COME IN THERE AND EITHER PATRONIZE A BUSINESS OR A COMMERCE OR TO GO A SMALL LITTLE IN-LINE SUBJECT RESTAURANT.IT PLOOB A SUB SHOP OR A DINER THAT'S JUST OPEN DURING DAY HOURS. THAT WOULD BE AN ACCESSORY TO THE OVERALL PRIME USE WHICH IS THE BUSINESS COMMERCE PARK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT IS A GOOD IDEA, AND I DO AGREE WITH YOU THIS IS NOT EVER GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL.

THANK YOU, SIR. >> SPEAKER: YOU'RE VERY

WELCOME. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? MR. GREEN.

>> MR. GREEN: THIS IS MORE FOR LEGAL.

THIS IS MORE OF A LEGISLATURE DECISION WE'RE DOING HERE ON THE LAND USE. I KNOW HE'S COMBINING -- SEEMS TO ME HE'S COMIENG IMIERCHG BOTH OF THESE APPLICATIONS TOGETHER, SO WE'RE JUST FOAGHT ON THE LAND USE -- VOTING ON THE LAND USE PART ON ITEM 1. AM I CORRECT?

I JUST -- >> YES, FOR THE RECORD, COUNTRIES TAKEN VALLIERE, SENIOR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.

SO FOR PRESENTING BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S A COMBINED PRESENTATION BUT YOU WILL VOTE SEPARATELY ON THE ITEMS AND THE

LEGISLATIVE ITEM WILL BE FIRST. >> MR. GREEN: BECAUSE TO ME THE LEGISLATIVE ITEM, NUMBER ONE JUST MAKES SENSE THAT THIS LAND USE IS ALL COMPATIBLE TO ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

I MEAN, IT'S DIVIDING UP YOUR PROPERTY.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO IT.

SOME OF THE CONCERNS I THINK COME MORE ON ITEM NUMBER 2 WHEN

WE GET TO IT ON . >> MR. MATOVINA: HENRY, WE WON'T HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON

EITHER ONE -- >> MR. GREEN: HE'S DOING BOTH

THE PRESENTATIONS ON BOTH ITEMS. >> SPEAKER: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE'LL VOTE SEPARATE ON EACH BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROCESS, BUT WE PACKAGE IT UP AS ONE PRESENTATION.

>> MR. GREEN: THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. I'M SUE NEW, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO I HAD DWOO IT UP PROPERLY. -- DIVIDE IT UP PRORM.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY COMMENT. >> MR. MATOVINA: EUGENE IN ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE THREE SPEAKER CARDS. MR. MCANARNEYY.

>> SPEAKER: >> THANK YOU.

JOE-INCOME MANNER 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE IN ST. JOHNS.

ESPECT TO THE ST. JOHNS COMMERCE PARK, MR. WESTER DID PUT THAT INTO CONTEXT. I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

AND THIS STEPS BACK AWAY FROM THE SPECIFIC SITE AND DOES SHOW, AS DID HE, THAT WE ARE SURROUNDED BOTH BY PUBLIC SERVICES, PUBLIC USES, SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AG CENTER AND SO FORTH, AND THEN TO THE NORTH ANOTHER AREA THAT IS AI LARGELY AND PREDOMINANTLY THE OFFICE WAREHOUSE.

AND SO IN MY OPINION THERE REALLY IS TWO DISTINCT USES. I CALL IT DISTRICT, YOU CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL, TWO DISTINCT USES THRAF DEVELOPED ALONG AG CENTER AND LAW ENFORCEMENT WAY. THE OFFICE WAREHOUSE AREA IS UP CLOSER TO 208, AND THEN THE PUBLIC SERVICES, AND I DO CALL ANCIENT CITY, IF I'M REMEMBERING THIS RIGHT, ANCIENT CITY SHOOTING, REALLY A PUBLIC SERVICE.

IT WAS APPROVED IN TWOWG, AND I THINK WAS SEEN -- 2008 AND I THINK WAS SEEN AS A HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE, PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, PROVIDING SHOOTING, TRAINING AND SO FORTH.

SO I WOULD CATEGORIZE THE ORIGINAL APPROVALS AS BEING BASED ON SEEING PUBLIC SERVICES IN A DISTINCT ZONE.

AND FOR THAT REASON OFFICE WAREHOUSE I'M SHOWING HERE IS NOT -- IS A NEW USE AND IT'S NOT A COMPATIBLE USE TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED. THERE'S EVEN AN ADDITIONAL PARCEL FURTHER TO THE NORTH OWNED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHICH WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC US USE.

SO THE CONTEXT IS ALSO A VEHICULAR CONTEXT SHOWN ON THE GREEN ARROW HERE WHERE ALL THE TRAFFIC COMES IN AND OUT.

IT'S GOT ONE POINT IN AND ONE POINT OUT.

OH, MY GOSH. STATE ROUTE 16 AND 208.

AND STATE ROUTE 16 IS CURRENTLY EXCEEDS ITS CAPACITY.

IT'S OPERATING AT 148.5 PERSONS PERSONS%.

EVERYTHING IS IN AND OUT THAT WAY, AND IN THE PAST WE HAVE TAT RESIDENTIAL AREAS BEING THAT DO NOT MEET A125C WHICH IS OUR

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THANK YOU PRENCHTS THANK . >> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU.

MR. LABANOWSKI. >> CHUCK LABANOWKSI NOW SKI 1748 NORTH CAPPERO, I'M IN AGREEMENT WHERE MCNEARNEY WITH REGARD TO THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS. 208 IS BEING FIXED BUT IT'S ONLY BEING FIXED ABOUT 150, 200 FEET OF THAT ROAD IS BEING FIXED RIGHT NOW, SO YOU STILL HAVE THE BACKUP.

IF THEY WANT TO TAKE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE TO 16, 16 NI ISN'T ANYWHERE NEAR BEING FIXED IN THAT AREA.

THEY'VE PUT OFF THAT SECTION FROM THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION TO WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS TO THE MALL WHERE THAT LIGHT IS AT THE GAS STATION, THEY HAVE PUT THAT OFF UNTIL LATER DOWN THE ROAD.

SO REGARDLESS OF WHICH WAY THAT TRAFFIC GOES OUT OF THAT INDUSTRIAL AREA, IT'S GOING TO BE HIT A BOTTLENECK.

TO BUT ANOTHER SEVERAL THOUSAND VEHICLES IN THAT AREA DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. ALSO, IS THE DEVELOPER GOING TO PUT AN 8-FOOT FENCE BETWEEN THEM AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE? THEY HAVE A SECURITY GATE THERE NOW.

PUTTING A WAREHOUSE IN THERE, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WOULD NEED MORE SECURITY IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA. SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT

THAT AS WELL. >> MS. PERKINS: MATT KLEIN.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M MATT KLEIN, GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

OUR ADDRESS IS 4015 LEWIS FEED WAY, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

JUST BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, MRE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS.

HE DID TRY TO GET AHOLD ME EAFERL THIS WEEK.

MR. WESTER PROVIDED A NUMBER OF OUR STAFF A COPY OF THE PUD AS WELL AS THE OVERLAY ON EITHER MONDAY OR TUESDAY, SO AS A STAFF WE WERE ABLE TO MEET ON THIS ISSUE YESTERDAY FOR THE FIRST TIME. I BELIEVE YOUR RULES REQUIRE THAT A PARTY INTERVENOR FILE THEIR NOTICE EIGHT DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING SO CLEARLY WE WEREN'T WITHIN THE EIGHT DAYS SO I SHOWED UP HERE A PUBLIC SPEAKER AND FILLED OUT A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD. BUT JUST TO OFFER SOME PERSPECTIVE, AS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE OBJECTS TO THE PROJECT FOR A LOT OF THE REASONS THAT MR. HILSENBECK STATED EARLIER. LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY LESSON. WHEN THE PREVIOUS COUNTY ADMINISTRATION MIKE WANCZYK FIRST PROOCHED DAVID SHOAR, PREVIOUS SHERIFF DAVID SHOAR, ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT SHERIFF SHORE WANTED TO BUILD A TRAINING FACILITY AND RELOCATE THE COME CENTER BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE HAVE A HURRICANE WE HAVE TO ABORT, LOWER OUR FLAG AND RAISE OUR FLAG AND THEN TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO TO DO DISPATCHING SO WE NEEDED TO GET TO HIGHER GROUND OAT OTHER SIDE OF I-95 SO THIS WAS AN UNTURN FOR THAT PROJECT.

ONE OF THE DERNS WE HAD DURING THE DUE DILIGENCE PHASE WAS OBVIOUSLY LOCATION AT THE TIME ON AG CENTER DRIVE THERE WAS OM INDUSTRIAL USE THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED, SO WE IMHIEW GOING IN WHEN YOU FIRST TURN ONTO AG CENTER DRIVE, WE WERE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH SOME INDUSTRIAL USAGE.

THE COUNTY REPRESENTED TO US THAT ONCE YOU -- ONCE THAT CURVE TO THE SOUTH, AND I HOPE AWSTLED AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT OUR TRAINING FILL FACILITY, BUT R DRIVE CURVES TO THE SOUTH.

ONCE IT CURVES TO THE SOUTH, THAT'S IT.

IT'S THE AG CENTER, MOSQUITOES CONTROL, THE EOC, AND THEN THE PLAN WAS TO BE US AT THE VERY END.

WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS A PRIVATE SHOOTING RANGE, BUT A PRIVATE SHOOTING RANGE MAKES FOR A PRETTY GOOD NEIGHBOR BASED ON THE OPERATIONS THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILD A SHOOTING RANGE AND A DRIVING TRACK AND A TRAINING CENTER, SO ALL THAT KIND OF FIT AT THE TIME.

HAD WE KNOWN THAT IF YOU FAST FORWARD TO 2022 WE WERE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT 300,000 FEET OF BUSINESS, RETAIL BUSINESS, THIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A GOOD LOCATION TO PUT OUR TRAINING FACILITY. YOU'RE CORRECT, IT IS HARD TO GET OUT OF THERE AT ANY TIME OF DAY.

FOR OUR STAFF, WHICH RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT FULLY STAFFED OUT

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I DON'T KNOW IF THIS PEANUT THING THAT THEY'RE DOING IS GOING TO HELP OR NOT, WE'RE NOT SURE, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

SO FOR THOSE REASONS I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE SPENT 20 MS. OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO RAISE OUR BLAG OUT THERE HAD WE KNOWN THIS WAS GOING TO BE A POSSIBILITY DOWN THE ROAD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: I'M OUT OF TIME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SIR, STAY THERE FOR A SECOND.

I HAVE A QUESTION OR TWO FOR YOU.

DO YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THE LAND USE CHANGE OR THE ZONING OR

BOTH? >> SPEAKER: WE HAVE AN OBJECTION TO 300,000 SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL GOING UP IN OUR BACKYARD BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO -- OPERATIONALLY THAT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE. I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD FIT BASED ON THE OPERATIONS TO THAT WE HAVE GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME MAJOR UTTER 62 ISSUES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IF WE HAVE THE PUBLIC THAT CLOSE. JUST TO BE HONEST AND FRANK ARE YOU, THERE IS A PUBLIC BENEFIT AND THERE IS A GOVERNMENTAL BENEFIT TO HAVING SOME SEPARATION BASED ON THE OPERATIONS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON OUT THERE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND HAS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ATTEMPTED TO

ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY? >> SPEAKER: THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE NOTE ALLOWED TO OWN PROPERTY.

THE SHERIFF CAN'T OWN DIRT. THE COUNTY OWNS THE DIRT AND THEN WE USE THE DIRT THE COUNTY PROVIDES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO HAS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE URGED THE COUNTY TO ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY FOR ITS USE?

>> SPEAKER: I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WHAT Y'ALL ARE SUGGESTING IS THAT THIS APPLICANT SHOULD JUST CONTINUE WITH CURRENT USE AND WAIT FOR

Y'ALL TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY? >> SPEAKER: WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, AGAIN, THE SHERIFF CAN'T ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY BUT A GUN RANGE DOES MAKE FOR A GOOD NEIGHBOR BASED THE ON OPERATIONS

THAT ARE GOING ON OUT THERE. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. OKAY.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO -- >> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: FINE. MR. KLEIN.

WE HAVE ONE OTHER AGENCY MEMBER WHO HAS A QUESTION.

>> YES, I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY. YOU FILLED OUT A SPEAKER CARD BUT IS THE POSITION OF THE ST. JOHNS SHERIFF'S OFFICE, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE REPRESENTING, THAT THEY ARE OPPOSED TO THIS?

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.

I'M THE GENERAL COUNSEL. >> MR. GREEN: OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, SIR. MR. WESTER.

>> SPEAKER: BRAD WESTER, DRIVER, MCAFEE.

TWO GENTLEMEN THAT CAME UP AND SPOKE.

I WOULD LIKE TO PUT UP SOMETHING ON THE SCREEN HERE.

THE PUD FOR THE SHERIFFS TRAINING FACILITY DOES INCLUDE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, INCLUDING OBVIOUSLY PUBLIC AND GENERAL SERVICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES. THE FACILITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS FAR AS OUR PERMISSIBLE USES DOES ALSO INCLUDE GOVERNMENTAL USES, EMPLOYMENT SERVICES, COMMUNICATION FACILITIES AND TOWERS AND THE LIKE.

SO IT IS COMPATIBLE, AND WE'VE MADE IT THAT WAY.

I'D LIKE EVERYBODY TO REMEMBER THAT HALF OF THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY MIXED USE. IT CURRENTLY HAS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY.

LET ME GO BACK TO PODIUM HERE. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM MATT KLEIN BUT IT ACTUALLY KIND OF COMES AS A SHOCK.

TO HEAR THEY'RE OPPOSED BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAD CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE OTHERWISE. AND THIS IS A COMPATIBLE USE. AND SO IT'S INTERESTING, THE COUNTY, AND I CAN SAY THIS OF RECORD, THE COUNTY HAS ATTEMPTED TO PURCHASE THIS, AND THERE ARE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS TRANSACTION OF THIS PROPERTY.

AS A PRIVATE ENTITY, MY CLIENT WAS COMING IN TO DEVELOP IT FOR THOSE SIMILAR USES P.: BUSINESS COMMERCE, GOVERNMENT USES AND THE LIKE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE INCLUDED AS PERMISSIBLE. SO IT'S SOMEWHAT SURPRISING TO HEAR THAT OFFICIALLY NOW ON THE RECORD THAT THE SHERIFF IS OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT THROUGH MR. KLEIN, SO I CAN TEM TELL YOU THIS, THAT AGAIN THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS, YOU'RE CORRECT, SIR, MR. GREEN, TWHEAF GOT TWO ELEMENTS HERE. WE'VE GOT A LEGISLATIVE MATTER WHICH IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE CHANGE AND HALF OF THE PROPERTY IS MIXED USE CURRENTLY, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A QUASI-JUDICIAL REZONING THAT IS COMPANION TO THAT, AND WE ARE PROPOSING A PUD IN CONCERT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD AND REGULATIONS. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TRAINING FACILITY HAS A 30-FOOT BUFFER PROGRAM ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THEIR FACILITY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IN THE REPORT FOR THAT TRAINING

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WEST OF I-95. IN FACT, FRONTS ON THE INTERSTATE. AND IT'S CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE EAST OF ANY EXISTING OR PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WHICH ARE SEPARATED BY AN EXTENSIVE CONSERVATION AREA JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND OR THE INTERSTATE. SO BY WAY OF THIS WHICH IS AN ADOPTED RECORDED DOCUMENT, THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION IN THIS DOCUMENT OR CONCERN ABOUT INDUSTRIAL USES NEARBY.

THERE WAS A CONSIDERATION OF RESIDENTIAL AND ITS PROXIMITY TO, AND, OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY RESIDENTIAL.

ANY DEVELOPMENT HAS TO BE DONE TO THE INCREMENT I'M MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS ON THIS, AND YOU SAW A CONCEPT IN PLAY HERE FOR THE 300,000 SQUARE FEET OF VARIOUS COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS USES. IT IS NOT ALL RETAIL.

IT'S NOT ALL MEANT TO BE RETAIL. IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A SHOPPING MALL OR SHOPPING CENTER, AN OUTLET CENTER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT IS VERY LOW INTENSE, BUSINESS COMMERCE, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, JUST LIKE WHAT IS EXISTING UP AND DOWN AFERLG AGRICULTURAL CEE SO VERY EXATDIBLE INFILL USE.

SO I'M SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT THERE IS OPPOSITION, ESPECIALLY FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHEN WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. BUT WE HAVE PROGRAMMED THOSE GHOVMENT USES INTO THIS -- GOVERNMENTAL USES INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT AS YOU'VE SEEN HERE ON THE EXHIBITS, AND I'LL

INCLUDE THAT ON THE RECORD. >> MR. MATOVINA:

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'D JUST ASK WHO IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE Y'ALL SPOKE WITH.

>> SPEAKER: THE SHERIFF. >> MR. MILLER:

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SHERIFF HARDWOOD?

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO THIS NEW INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GETTING TODAY THAT THEY ARE AT GOACIALGY OPPOSED TO THIS IS JUST NOT CREDIBLE OR --

>> SPEAKER: I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS CREDIBLE.

FOR LAKE OF BETTER WORD, IT'S VERY SURPRISING.

AND WE REACHED OUT IN A COUPLE OF, FEW WEEKS AGO, OCTOBER 21ST TO BE EXACT WITH, AND SO THE -- MR. KLEIN IS CORRECT, I REACHED OUT, TRIED TO REACH OUT, ALSO TRIED TO REACH OUT TO SEVERAL OTHERS ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A PLAY TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING THERE, BUT I'M ALSO SURPRISED TO HEAR THERE WAS NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE COUNTY TRYING TO BUY THIS SITE, NOT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. A HEARD FROM MR. KLEIN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES NOT OWN PROPERTY, PER SE, IT'S RUN THROUGH THE COUNTY. BUT THIS IS A COMPATIBLE USE AS FAR AS THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? MR. WESTER, IS THERE A POTENTIAL HERE FOR A CONTINUANCE? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE

INTERESTED IN? >> SPEAKER: YES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND LET ME TELL YOU WHY I SAY THIS.

THIS IS IS TEKD TIME IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS THAT WE HAVE HAD A -- SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS HAPPEN TO US.

THE OTHER WAS WITH A WATER AND SEWER FILL THE OUT ON 207 I THINK, AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT -- MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT COMING IN AND ASKING US TO TAKE ACTION WHICH COULD IMPEDE YOUR ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT HAVING OFFERED TO PURCHASE YOUR PROPERTY OR DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU.

I JUST THINK WE SIT HERE IN A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION, IN MY OPINION, IN MAKING THAT DECISION, AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER A CONTINUANCE AND SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE COUNTY MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE IN

THIS CASE. >> SPEAKER: I THINK THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE CONSIDERING MR. KLEIN REPRESENTED ON THE RECORD THAT HE WAS -- HER JUST MET YESTERDAY AND DISCUSSED IT COLLECTIVELY WITH SEVERAL FOLKS IN THEIR OFFICE, SO WE REACHED OUT, DIDN'T HEAR BACK, SO WE WERE NOT A PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS EXCEPT FOR WITH THE SHERIFF HIMSELF.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, AND I WANT TO SAY IT HOPEFULLY A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY, IS AS I SIT HERE, I SOMEWHAT FEEL LIKE BECAUSE WE'RE SURROUNDED BY GOVERNMENT USES HERE, WE'RE TELLING THE APPLICANT THAT HIS -- HIS USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS RESTRICTED, AND I STRUGGLE WITH THAT.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE AFFECTING THE VALUE OF HIS PROPERTY BY DOING THAT. SO I THINK THE COUNTY NEEDS TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN DISCUSSING THAT WITH THE APPLICANT. THAT'S MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION.

WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE COMMITTEE OR DOES NUB ELSE HAVE

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: I'LL MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE.

DO YOU HAVE A DATE CERTAIN THAT YOU'D LIKE TO THROW OUT, BRAD?

>> SPEAKER: NO, SIR. THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO GO I THINK THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER WAS BCC, SO THAT WOULD BE PUSHED OFF NOW. I WOULD SAY WE'D PROBABLY NEED AT LEAST TWO WEEKS TO MEET WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AGAIN AND

GO OVER THE PLAN SPECIFICALLY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I WOULD

>> MR. MATOVINA: I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT HAVING A DATE CERTAIN. THIS IS A TRICK CONVERSATION BETWEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PARTIES.

I DON'T WANT TO JUST PUT THEM IN A BOX AND SAY YOU'VE GOT TO BE BACK HERE IN TWO WEEKS WITH THE HOLIDAYS COMING UP.

DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I WOULD MOVE THAT WE HAVE A CONTINUANCE TO INDEFINITE CONTINUANCE ON THIS, AND YOU JUST COME BACK TO US WHEN EVERYTHING IS READY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY --

>> SECOND. >> MR. MATOVINA: A SECOND BY MR. PETER. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE VOTE OBJECTION. THAT MOTION PASSES 7-0.

AND THAT WOULD BE ON ITEM NUMBER 1.

I BELIEVE WE NEED A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 2 NOW.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE TO AN INDEFINITE TIME WITH THE APPLICANT BRINGING THIS BA TO GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND

THE PASSED WHEN THEY'RE READY. >> MR. MATOVINA: WE'VE THE GUY MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?

[3. PUD 2021-19 Bella Terra PUD.]

THAT PASSES 7-0. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S MOVE ON -- >> MR. CHAIR.

BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, IF I COULD JUST MAKE THE STATEMENT JUST SO IT'S ON THE RECORD THAT SINCE THIS IS CONTINUED TO A DATE UNCERTAIN, THAT IT WILL NEED TO BE READVERTISED AND WE WILL

RENOTICE AND ADVERTISE. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

THANK YOU, MS. BISHOP. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EX PARTE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER 3?

ALL RIGHT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: DOUG BURNETT DID CALL ME YESTERDAY BUT I DID NOT GET BACK WITH HIM.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON PCHT PORT FORWARD DOUG TBIRNT ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP 10 FOR E. SEAGROVE MAIN STREET.

SEEMS LIKE I'VE APPEARED IN FRONT OF MR. GREEN MAYBE 20 YEARS AGO. TIME FLIES.

>> MR. GREEN: IT WAS 12 YEARS AGO.

>> SPEAKER: THERE YOU GO. WITH ME TODAY THE NELSON COMPRESS WHO WILL COME UP AND TALK IN A MOMENT.

OUR PROJECT ENGINEER WAS GOING TO BE HERE.

HE SPENT THREE DAYS IN THE HOSPITAL, SO HE'S AVAILABLE BY PHONE IF WE WIND UP NEEDING HIM. THIS PROJECT IS THE TELL BELA PUD. TWO BIG THINGS THAT ARE PRETTY HUGE FOR THIS PROJECT, AND I KNOW, WHETHER YOU'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD OR NOT, YOU KNOW WATCHING THE ROAD, YOU KNOW THE ISSUES ON WATCHING THE ROAD, TRAFFIC ON THE WEST SIDE OF WATTON ROAD IS I A CONCERN, THE APPROACH TO US-1 IS A CONCERN.

WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT, AND WYNTON CIRCLE HAS STORM WATER ISSUES. WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT.

SO THIS PROJECT IS PRETTY BIG IN TWO WAYS THAT HELP SOLVE EXISTING PROBLEMS THAT AREN'T CREATED BY THE PROJECT.

TAKING A LOOK AT THE PROJECT, JUST GENERAL LOCATION WEEKS YOU SEE US-1 WE'RE JUST NORTH WATSON ROAD, SOUTH OF WILDWOOD AND MAYBE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DOUGHNUT OF SHORES BOULEVARD GOING AROUND. AGAIN, A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE SITE'S LOCATED.

US-1 IN YELLOW, SHORES BOULEVARD GOING AROUND THERE AND WATSON ROAD TO THE SOUTH, WILDWOOD TO THE NORTH.

FUTURE LAND USE IS MIXED USE WHICH ALLOWS THAT LAUNDRY LIST OF POTENTIAL USES. CH NEIGHBOR COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL GENERAL, YOU KNOW, YOU NAME IT, OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, SINGLE FAMILY, MULTI-FAMILY, MULTI-FAMILY UP TO 13 UNITS AN ACRE, SO THERE'S A LOT THAT'S POTENTIALLY THERE IN THAT SWATH OF PURPLE THEREOF ICTSDZ MIXED USE. LOOKING AT THE ZONING OF THE SITE, AND I'LL TAKE A LITTLE CLOSER VIEW, YOU CAN SEE BELLA TERRA DRIVE THAT'S EXISTING THERE.

FRANKLY IT'S A DIRT ROAD IN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY BUT IT IS NAMED. IT'S USED BY DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS. YOU CAN SEE PART OF THE SITE IS COMMERCIAL GENERAL ALONG US-1 AND THEN PART THE SITE IS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE WHICH IS APPROVED CONDITIONALLY FOR AN AUTO BODY REPAIR SHOP. AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF SITE IS OPEN RURAL. A GOOD PORTION OF THE OPEN RURAL IS A COMMERCIAL HORSE FARM OPERATION CURRENTLY.

THAT HAS ACCESS OFF OF WETON CIRCLE WHICH THEN OBVIOUSLY PROCEEDS DOWN TO WATSON ROAD. THAT ACCESS WOULD GO AWAY AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. LINING AT THE AERIAL JUST TO

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LOOKING AT OUR PROJECT, HARRY NEWKIRK WHOSE DONE SEVERAL PROJECTS IN OUR COUNTY, SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT ARE I GUESS MORE IN TUNE WITH THIS ONE, MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT.

THE MOST READILY RECOGNIZEDDABLE THING THAT YOU WILL NOTICE IN THIS PROJECT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT AND YOU THINK OF A MURLT FAMILY PROJECT -- MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, YOU WILL USUALLY GET SIX TO TEN BUILDINGS THAT ARE LARGER, HAVE A MASS AND SCALE LOOKING FROM EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY ONTO THE PROPERTY, YOU HAVE A LARGER BUILDING.

THEY ARE THREE AND FOUR STORIES HIGH.

REPEAT MUCH EVERYWHERE WE LOOK IN OUR COUNTY, RACE TRACK ROAD, YOU LOOK AT THE NEWER FRUCT PRODUCT ON 207, ERRING WHAT'S BEING BUILT BEHIND LOALS ON OLD MOULTRIE.

WHEN YOU ARE GOING OVER 312 BRIDGE AND THE PROJECT THAT'S BEEN BITTEL RIGHT THERE. THIS IS ONE THAT IS CONTEMPLATED TO BE LOW RISE, ONE-STORY UNITS. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE MORE UNITS BUT THEY'RE ONE STORY. CENTRAL TO OUR SITE IS A STORM WATER POND. I'LL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THAT. YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING POND.

THIS POND WAS PUT IN ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE, WAS PUT IN BY THE COUNTY TO TRY AND HELP WITH SOME OF THE STORM WATER OFF-OF WENTON CIRCLE. NATURALLY OUR PROJECT WILL HAVE A 10-FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER. IT WILL ALSO BE LAYERED IN WITH A 20-FOOT INCOMPATIBILITY BUFFE BUFFER.

TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE SITE IS A PRESERVATION AREA.

WE ALSO HAVE A CLUBHOUSE WITH A POOL, AND THEN WE HAVE A RECREATIONAL PLAYGROUND WITH ALSO A DOG PARK AREA FOR OUR RESIDENTS. CENTRAL AROUND THE MAIN LAKE THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT ALSO, THOUGH, IS PICNIC TABLES, BENCHES, AND OUTDOOR GRILLING AREAS, ALL CENTRAL IN THE SITE. TAKING THAT SITE AND THEN PUTTING SOME COLOR TO IT AND PUTTING IT IN AN AND OVERLAYING IT WITH AN AERIAL YOU REALLY GET A GOOD FEEL FOR THE SITE.

IT MOVES ALL OF OUR RECREATION THAT WOULD OCCUR ON THE SITE, OUR CLUBHOUSE, OUR POOL, OUR DOG PARK AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS UP TOWARDS US-1, KEEPS THEM FURTHER AWAY FROM THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USERS THAT ARE AROUND US.

IT KEEPS OUR SITE INTERNAL. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE TRADITIONAL MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT, IF YOU PUT SIX, EIGHT, TEN MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS ON THIS SITE, NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THE SCALE AND THE MASS, BUT ALMOST ALWAYS THAT NECESSITATES THE DRIVE AISLES AND THE PARKING ALL AROUND THE PERIMETER WHICH ALSO NECESSITATES THE HEAD LIGHTS OF THE VEHICLES EARLY IN THE MORNING, PLATE IN LATEG BEAMING OFF-SITE.

WITH THIS PLAN IT KEEPS ALL OF THAT INTERNAL TO THE SITE AND AWAY FROM THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL.

THE OTHER THING IS AGAIN ONE-STORY STRUCTURES, AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THESE ARE JUST ROUGH REND EARNINGS. MY CLIENT SAID, DOUG, DON'T USE THOSE BUT I SAID I WANT GOIF PZA A LOOK OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, ACTUAL RENDERS GOES OF WHAT THE PROJECT IS GOING TO LIKE LOOK LIKE ARE BESHT THESE AND WE'LL HAVE THOSE BEFORE THE BOARD COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING BUT IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA, WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT A ONE OF HAD STORY PRODUCT, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S MULTI--STORY.

LOOKING AT THE SITE FROM GREEN WILLOW LANE AND LOOKING AT THE SITE FROM WENTON CIRCLE, YOU GET MORE OF A FEEL OF SINGLE FAMILY OFF-SITE EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE BEYOND THE BUMP IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD SEION THE BUFFER IF THIS ABOUT THERE A THREE-STORY MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING OBVIOUSLYITES GOING TO BE MORE IMPOSING ON ITS NEIGHBORS THAN A SINGLE FAMILY CHARACTERISTIC ONE-STORY STRUCTURE.

GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT WILLOW GREEN DRIVE, AND THIS IS I THINK KIND OF IMPORTANT, THIS IS WHAT'SY AT THE END OF THE DRIVE, AND RIGHT NOW FOR THAT SUBDIVISION IT HAS ITS OWN 10-FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER, AND AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC THIS TREE LINE IS INSIDE THEIR 10-FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER.

IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR PROJECT BOUNDARY.

ALSO LOOKING FROM THIS AREA WHERE THE LAKE IS, YOU CAN SEE FROM AN AERIAL WHERE THERE'S EXISTING HARD STAND TREES GOING

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AND THEN IN THE PORTION OF IT THAT IS INSIDE OF OUR PROJECT BOUNDARY WE HAVE A 20-FOOT BUFFER LAYERING ON TOP OF THEIR 10-FOOT BUFFER FOR THEIR PUD. SO YOU RALLY GET SOME GOOD SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO SITES.

LOOKING FROM WYNTON CIRCLE, AGAIN, SIMILAR SITUATION BUT YOU REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT HERE BECAUSE I KNOW FOR THE RESIDENTS OF WATSON ROAD THEY DO NOT WANT TO SEE TRAFFIC ON WATSON ROAD AND THERE CURRENTLY IS.

THIS DRIVE, AND YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE AERIAL, THIS AERIAL RIGHT HERE WHERE THE YELLOW IS, THIS IS CURRENTLY A ACCESS POINT GOING INTO THE COMMERCIAL HORSE FARM.

AND YOU CAN SEE IT HERE. YOU CAN SEE THE LIME ROCK ROAD, MIGHT BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN LIME ROCK BUT TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE LIME ROCK, FENCE. VEHICLES TRAVEL THIS ROAD WITH HORSE TRAILERS GOING TO AND FROM WYNTON CIRCLE DOWN TO WATSON ROAD. WE HAVE THAT BUFFER.

ALSO THERE'S THE HORSE BARN THAT IS CURRENTLY EXISTING ON THE PROPERTY. THIS WOULD GO AWAY, THIS ACCESS POINT WOULD GO AWAY, AND YOU WOULD GET THE BUFFERING THAT WE INTEND TO PRESERVATIVE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS EXISTING TREE STAND IN THIS AREA THAT WOULD BE LARGELY REMAINING AS A BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS.

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, WE DO HAVE WATER AND SEWER VILABILITY.

IT'S ON U-1. OUR PROJECT WE THINK OF AS ONE THAT'S US-1 ORIENTED. OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT ACCESS, WITHOUT ANYTHING RELATED TO WATSON ROAD, EVERYTHING RELATED TO THE SITE IS US-1. WATER AND SEWER IS AVAILABLE ON US-1. ENVIRONMENTAL, THERE'S NO EAGLE'S NEST AROUND THE SITE, THERE'S NO LISTED SPECIES OR HABITATS. AND THEN THE NEXT THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND SHOW YOU AGAIN, HARRY NEWKIRK IS OUR PROJECT ENGINEER. YOU CAN SEE HE'S A LICENSED PE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. HE STAMPED THIS.

HARRY DID A 56-PAGE LONG REPORT ON THE STORM WATER ANALYSIS OF OUR STORM WATER CONDITION CURRENTLY AND WHAT IT'S ANTICIPATED TO BE POST DEVELOPMENT.

SO OFTEN WE'RE HERE AND WE TALK ABOUT PRE POST AND WE'LL MEET OUR PRE AND POST REQUIREMENTS BUT WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THAT IS GOING TO ENTAIL AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

BECAUSE THIS IS NEXT TO WRLT FROM THE VERY WYNTON CIRCLE, THE TEAM NEW WE NEED TODAY LOOK AT THIS SO THE STORM WATER ANALYSIS HAS BLRD BEEN DONE. I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING YOU SEE VERY OFTEN WHEN PROJECTS ARE HERE FOR ZONING.

BUT I WANT TO WALK THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT.

HARRY IN HIS EXISTING REPORT TALKED ABOUT EXISTING CONDITIONS, TALKED ABOUT POSITIVE OUTFALL AND WHERE THAT OUTFALL IS, AND THEN THE SUMMARY OF THE RESULTS WHICH I THINK IS CRITICAL THERE'S NET DECREASES IN NET DISCHARGE RATES AND VOLUMES ARE SEEN FOR EACH STORM EVENT AND IT'S ELIMINATING THE DISCHARGE TO THE WYNTON CIRCLE SUBDIVISION, AND YOU SAY, OKAY, DOUG, QUANTIFY FOR ME. WHAT'S THAT REALLY MEAN? HERE'S THE EXISTING CONDITION. PART OF THE STORM WATER GOES TO THE NORTH. PART OF THE STORM WATER GOES TO THE SOUTH. AND THE PART THAT'S GOING TO SOUTH IS 13 ACRES OF STORM WATER, OF THIS SITE IS GOING TO THE SOUTH WYNTON CIRCLE WHERE WE KNOW THERE'S A PROBLEM.

EVERYONE KNOWS THERE'S A PROBLEM.

POST, IT'S ALL FLOWING TO THE NORTH.

SO WE REMOVE 13 ACRES OF SHEET FLOW STORM WATER FROM OUR PROJECT AND TURN IT ALL GOING TO THE NORTH.

OBVIOUSLY THE SITE'S DESIGNED THAT GOES TO THE CENTRAL RETENTION POND PRIMARILY, AND THEN FROM THERE DISCHARGES AND POPS OFF AND GOES TO NORTH. WE DID DO OUR PRE-MEETING WITH FDOT NOT JUST FOR OUR ACCESS OBVIOUSLY ON US-1 BUT ALSO THEY COVER THESE TYPES OF ISSUES, AND WE DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM AT ALL TO PERMIT IT AND HAVE IT GO TO THE NORTH WHICH IS THE DESIRED MANNER. WE ALSO HAVE OUR WETLAND IMPACT AND PRESERVATION MAP ALREADY READY TO GO.

SO WE'RE REALLY PRETTY MUCH AHEAD OF THE BALL OR AHEAD OF THE CURVE AND WHEN IT COMES TG AT THIS PROJECT AND ITS IMPACTS.

STAFF REPORT, JUST THE THINGS I ALREADY TOLD YOU, THE MIXED USE, ZONING, 20B BUFFER WE'RE COMMITTED TO PUGHTD ON THE SITE.

REDUCING ALLOWABLE HEIGHTS TO 3. TRUTH IS BY THE TIME WE GET TO BCC WE MAY BE ABLE TO REDUCE IT IAN MORE BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE-STORY STRUCTURES, NOT TWO-STORY OR THREE-STORY.

MAYBE THE HEIGHT CAN COME DOWN EVEN FURTHER BEFORE WE GET TOTE

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LET ME GET TO THE SECOND PART OF THIS.

I HIT THE PIRS BIG ISSUE WHICH IS THE STORM WATER.

I'LL ASK NELSON TO COME UP HERE AND JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT.

ONE THING THAT'S IN ITS STAFF REPORT IS OUR DIRECTLY ACCESSED LINK 17.2 CAPACITY IS AVAILABLE. THERE'S NO IMPACT ON THE 4-MILE RADIUS. THAT PART IS ALL IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. WITH THAT I'LL TURN ON IT TO

NELSON? >>

>>> >> SPEAKER: NELSON, LTD ENGINEERING IN JACKSONVILLE I AM A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER

IN THE STATE OF OF FLORIDA. >> SPEAKER: AND A LARGE PORTION YOUR PRACTICE IS TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, SIR?

>> YES. SO WE CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR THIS SITE AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING 1:10 A.M. PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC, 1:29 P.M. PEAK TRAFFIC.

WHEER NOTE REQUESTING ANY MEDIAN OPENING.

WE ARE PLANNING USING THE EXISTING JUNCTION AND ROAD KAYE FACILITIES ON U-1, SO MEDIAN OPENINGS AND THEREFORE WE DO

ANTICIPATE U-TURNS. >> JUST FOR WHAT THIS IS WORTH BY THE WAY ON THE COUNTY'S TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS SPREADSHEET, NOT ONLY IS OUR LINK THAT WE'RE DIRECTLY ACCESSING HAVE AT CAPACITY BUT THE LINK TO THE NORTH AND THE LINK ON THE SOUTH ALSO HAVE CAPACITY.

LET ME SKIP FORWARD. I THINK THIS WILL -- THE DEVELOPER IS COMMITTING AS PART OF THIS PROCESS TO FULLY FUND SOME ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T ACCESS WATSON ROAD AS PART OF THE PROJECT, WE'RE COMMITTING TO PREPAYING ESSENTIALLY IMPACT FEES IN ORDER TO FUND SOME ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.

NELSON, WOULD YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE.

>> SURE. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY REGARDING FUNDING THIS IMPROVEMENT WITH OUR IMPACT FEE, AND LOOKING AT WHAT CAN BE DONE AT US-1 AND SPECIFICALLY ON WATSON ROAD ON THE WEST LEG OF THIS INTERSECTION. SO WE LOOKED AT CONCEPTS AND HOW IT WILL OPERATE AND WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. FAIRLY NARROW ROADWAY, ABOUT 10-FOOT LANES, AND ONCE YOU GET UP EASTBOUND COMING INTO US-1 SIGNALIZED APPROACH. IT IS SHARED LEFT THROUGH RIGHT.

ALSO THE ALIGNMENT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON THE EAST LEG.

YOU'VE GOT QUITE A BIT ON OFFSET.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS THE CONCEPT AT THIS STAGE IS IF WE CAN ADD A LEFT TURN LANE, SHIFT OVER AND HAVE A BETTER ALIGNMENT FOR THAT THROUGH MOVEMENT, A SHARED THROUGH RIGHT MOVEMENT, AND IMPROVE THE CAPACITY AT THAT APPROACH.

SO WE DID THE ANALYSIS AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE DELAY BY HALF. ALSO WE HAVE A BETTER ALIGNMENT TOWARDS THE THROUGH MOVEMENT GOING ACROSS TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION. ADDITIONALLY, WE DO HAVE ABOUT 40 VEHICLES IN THE EVENING. THERE'S LESS THAN THAT DURING THE MORNING. THAT'S GOING TO BE MAKE A SOUTHBOUND U-TURN AT THIS LOCATION.

SO ALTHOUGH IT'S GOING TO BE STILL WITHIN THE ADOPTED LEVEL SERVICE, WE ARE PROPOSING TO EXTEND IT A LITTLE BIT, AND IF NEEDED PUT IN A U-TURN LOOM TO RECEIVE A U-TURN MOVEMENT.

>> SPEAKER: AND THE ALONE, THAT'S A NEW ONE FOR ME.

YOU LEARN SOMETHING EVERY DAY, THAT LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA PAVEMENT THE ON SOUTH. IN FACT, IT'S UP HERE ACROSS FROM THE RACETRACK GAS STATION ON US-1, WHERE YOU CAN MAKE THE U-TURN AND NOT RUN OFF THE ROAD OR HIT THE CURB.

THAT'S WHAT THIS SHADED AREA IS HERE ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE ROADWAY, WOULD BE TO ASPHALT THAT TO GIVE DRIVERS, MOTORISTS AN EASY ABILITY TO MAKE A U-TURN AT THIS INTERSECTION ON US-1.

AND AS NELSON SAID, TO LENGTHEN% THE LEFT TURN LANE AS I APPROACHES WATSON ROAD SO THAT IT'S EASIER TO MAKE A U-TURN AND WILL ALSO OBVIOUSLY HANDLE MORE CARS.

AND SO -- >> CURRENTLY YOU HAVE PEOPLE EASTBOUND MAKING A RIGHT TURN REALLY TRYING TO BYPASS LEFT-TURNING MOVEMENTS QUIEWPPED AT THIS SIGNALIZED TRUCKS FOR

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THE LUNE ALLOWS THAT U-TURN, NOT TO MAKE THAT U-TURN A LOT EASIER, TO FORM FOR A DRIVER BECAUSE MOST U-TURNS KIND OF THAT DPLAI THAT MOVEMENT FORE ANYONE MAKING A LEFT TURN SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO AIM THAT VEHICLE INTO THE TRAVEL LANE.

IT GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE PAVEMENT, RECEIVING PAVEMENT TO

GET OUT OF THE WAY. >> SPEAKER: AND THEN THE FOURTH PART OF THIS IS SIGNAL TIMING THAT NELSON ALSO LOOKED AT AND AND AS PART OF MAKING THESE IMPROVEMENTS YOU'D ALSO UPDATE THE SIGNAL TIMING AT THE SIGNAL AS PART OF THE PROCESS TO MAKE IT FLOW BETTER. AND AGAIN, THIS IS WITH NO ACCESS FOR OUR PROJECT ON WATSON ROAD.

>> THEARKS. SO WE THAT'S CORRECT.

WE HAVE A SIGNAL A MILE AWAY TO THE NORTH AND ABOUT HALF A MILE TO THE SOUTH. WITHIN THE CAPACITY OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON US-1, THE SIGNAL CAN BE ADJUSTED EASILY WITHOUT ANY NOTICEABLE IMPACT AS FAR AS TRAFFIC FLOW ON US-1.

ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE RUNNING REALLY VERY GOOD LEVEL OF SERVICE ON US-1 DURING THE PEAK PERIODS THAT DOES HAVE CAPACITY THAT WE CAN REMOVE SOME OF THAT MAXIMUMS GREEN TIME THAT'S ALLOTTED TO IT, TO THE SIDE STREET WITHOUT ANYTHING NOTICEABLE TO THE MAIN LINE US-1 TRAFFIC.

SO WE DID A CALCULATION AS FAR AS AN ESTIMATION OF HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST. IT'S GOING TO BE WELL WITHIN WHAT OUR IMPACT FEE IS PROAJTDZ TO PROJECTED TO BE. AND THIS IS JUST A OUR CAPACITY ASSESSMENT OF THE DELAY AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE ON THAT EEBDZ APPROACH ON WATSON ROAD. IT'S ABOUT A MINUTE OF DELAY ON AVERAGE. AND WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE SHOWING, WE'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT HALF A MINUTE INSTEAD.

>> SPEAKER: SO I THINKIES THAT PRETTY MUCH HITS IT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS EVEN THOUGH OUR TRAFFIC DOESN'T ACCESS WATSON ROAD. OUR TRAFFIC DOESN'T IMPACT WATSON ROAD. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR THIS PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, THESE ARE IMPORTANT IMPROVEMENTS.

THE APPROACH TO U-1 FROM WEST WATSON ROAD IS WAY OVERDUE.

I CAN RECALL WHEN I FIRST WENT INTO PRIVATE PRACTICE, WATSON ROAD BEING AN ISSUE ON ITS APPROACH TO US-1, AND WATCHING OVER THE YEARS WHERE ONE PROJECT OR ANOTHER PROJECT PROPOSED TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT ROADWAY AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

ALSO SAW WHERE CRESCENT TECHNICAL COURT A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT FOR MIX USE SO YOU'VE GOT TRUCK TRAFFIC DOWN WATSON ROAD. YOU OF ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS GOING ON. YOU HAVE THE PROJECTS THAT, COUNTLESS OF THEM, THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED ON WATSON ROAD THAT HAVE BEEN DENIED, INCLUDING THE ME HAVIA APARTMENT PROJECT IN MORE RECENTLY PAST, BUT ALL HAVE THOSE DIRECTLY ACCESSED WATSON ROAD. MEANWHILE, WHERE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS ARE OCCURRING AROUND THE COUNTY OVER THAT LAST 15, 20 YEARS, NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO IMPROVE THIS AREA OFUT WATSON ROAD. WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR IT WITH THIS PROJECT, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT OF THIS IDEA. WE'RE ALREADY FOCUSED ON REMOVING STORM WATER FROM WYNTON CIRCLE.

WE'RE ALREADY FOCUSED ON REMOVING TRAFFIC THAT IS ALREADY GOING ON BR AND ANGST WATSON ROAD FROM THE COMMERCIAL HORSE FARM OPERATING THAT'S ON THE SITE RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT WILL BE REMOVED, THAT ACCESSIBLE SO WE WILL BE REMOVING VEHICLES THAT ARE CURRENT ON THERE.

WE WILL BE REMOVING THE STORM WATER PROBLEM OR A GOOD PORTION, 13 ACRES OF STORM WATER PROBLEM THAT'S ON WYNTON CIRCLE AND TO TOP IT OFF WE'RE COMING IN WITH SOME ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE THINK MAKE A BIG IMPACT ON PEOPLE'S LIVES THAT LIVE ON WATSON ROAD. SO WITH THAT, I THINK THAT KIND OF HITS THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PROJECT OVERALL.

ONE LAST ISSUE IN CASE ANYONE ASKS, WE WOULD HAVE A RIGHT DECEL LANE INTO THE PROJECT OFF OF US-1.

OBVIOUSLY U-1 TRAFFIC IS FLOWING PRETTY GOOD YOU.

NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY, SO TO SPEAK, SO TURNING INTO THE PROJECT WE WOULDN'T HAVE A SITUATION WHERE VEHICLES ARE TURNING IN AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN CONFRONTING A VEHICLE AND NEEDING TO STOP AND THEN HAVING THAT BACK UP INTO US-1.

SO WE DO HAVE A RIGHT DECEL LANE WITH PLENTY OF ROOM SO THAT THERE'S NO CHANCE OF A VEHICLE BACKING UP INTO US-1 OR CAUSING A STACKING PROBLEM TURNING INTO THE PROJECT.

AND ONE FINAL LOOK AT THE PROJECT OVERALL.

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I THINK HE'S WATCHING THE PRESENTATION, BUT DUE TO HEALTH CONCERNS WASN'T GOING TO MAKE THE TRIP HERE TODAY, AND I THINK YOU PROBABLY HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: STAFF? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

SO I WANTED TO SAY KUDOS TO THE APPLICANT FOR OFFERING UP THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO EVALUATE THEM. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HEARING ABOUT THAT. SO IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO ACCEPT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND RECOMMEND, STAFF WILL NEED TO GET WITH THE APPLICANT TO ENSURE THAT THOSE ARE SOUND FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. RICHARD.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. GREAT PRESENTATION.

YOU ALWAYS DO A GREAT JOB. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT NEW COUNTY STORM WATER POND JUST NORTH OF WYNTON CIRCLE.

I MEAN, COUNTY ENGINEERED THAT AND PUT THAT IN.

PERHAPS NOT ANTICIPATING A LARGE NEW DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE OF 240 TOWNHOMES. SO I KNOW THERE'S A 56 PAGE ENGINEERING REPORT ADDRESSING THAT, BUT I AM CONCERNED WITH THAT MUCH DENSITY. YOU'RE BASICALLY GOING FOR 13

UNITS PER ACRE? >> SPEAKER: I THINK IT'S LOOSELY 8-POINT SOMETHING. I'M LOOK AT THAT AND BE ABLE TOO

TO GIVE YOU A RESPONSE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

SO YOU SHOWED A MAP WITH WATER FLOWS IN THE AREA AND YOU SAID THERE'S GOING TO BE A DECREASE IN NET WATER FLOWS OFF OF YOUR

PROJECT. >> SPEAKER: IS ON THE SOUTH.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND IT'S GOING TO ALLEVIATE ANY WATER FLOWS ONTO WYNTON CIRCLE. HOW ABOUT FLOWS FROM WYNTON CIRCLE ONTO YOUR PROPERTY? IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TAKING A WETLAND AREA, LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE CYPRESS WETLAND AREA FROM THE AERIAL PHOTOS RIGHT THERE, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE OBLITERATED AND PAVED OVER AND FILLED IN, AND SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

SO -- AND THEN YOU SHOWED AN ARROW GOING -- THE WATER FLOWS RIGHT TO THE NORTHEAST. THERE IT IS.

THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT UP THERE.

SO THE WATER IS GOING TO MOVE THAT WAY? I KNOW THERE'S A LARGE WETLAND RIGHT THERE, RIGHT WHERE YOU HAVE POST 2 BASIN, BUT THE WATER FLOWS THAT WAY OUT TOWARD US-1? I THOUGHT IT FLOWED TO THE NORTHWEST BASICALLY.

NORTH HAD NORTHWEST. >> SPEAKER: NO, SIR.

THERE ARE TWO FLOWS, AND WE'VE GOT TAUPEO.

WE KNOW FOR A FACT -- IN FACT, THE ENTIRETY HARRY NEWKIRK'S

REPORT IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: IT IS.

I KNOW. BELIEVE ME.

IT'S A LONG REPORT. >> SPEAKER: AND WE KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT YOU CAN SEE THIS JAGGED DIVIDER LINE, THE BLACK ONE COMING THROUGH THIS DIRECTION. WE KNOW THAT THE PRE-1 BASIN IS FLOWING TO THE NORTH TO US-1, NOT NORTHWEST BUT NORTHEAST.

AND WE KNOW THAT THE SOUTHERN PRE-2 BASIN IS FLOWING SOUTH DIRECTLY INTO THIS LOT PERHAPS BETWEEN THESE TWO HOMES IN THAT GENERAL AREA. IT IS 13 ACRES ROUGHLY THAT'S DISCHARGING IN THAT DIRECTION. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOU ARE ON SITE AND YOU SAY, WELL, DOUG, HOW DO YOU GET IT TO FLOW TO THE NORTH, YOU GRADE ALL OF THIS INTO THE PRIMARY RETENTION POND, AND THEN YOU HAVE A POPOFF TO MOVE IT TO THIS LOCATION, AND THEN IT FLOWS NORTH FROM THAT LOCATION.

THAT'S THE DESIGN OF THE SITE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO THAT STORM WATER POND IN THE SOUTHEAST THERE NORTH WYNTON CIRCLE, THAT WAS NOT DESIGNED TO ALLEVIATE THAT SOUTHERN FLOW SOUTH OF YOUR HYDRO LOGICAL DIVIDE?

>> SPEAKER: YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE, THE POND, THE

COUNTY'S POND? >> DR. HILSENBECK: YES.

>> SPEAKER: THE COUNTY'S POND WAS TRY TO DO THE BEST THEY COULD WITH WHAT THEY COULD ACQUIRE FROM LANDOWNER TWO AND A

HALF YEARS AGO. >> DR. HILSENBECK: IT HASN'T

WORKED. >> SPEAKER: I CAN'T SAY THAT IT HASN'T WORKED. IT HASN'T -- IT HASN'T REMOVED 13 ACRES OF STORM WATER THAT'S GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.

AND I THINK YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR FROM RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA.

I DID HE SEE WHERE YOU GOT THE HANDOUT, THE ADDITIONAL EMAILS THAT CAME IN. THOSE EMAILS, TO SUMMARIZE THEM, AS I READ THEM, WAS TRAFFIC ON WATSON ROAD, WHICH WE'RE NOT DOING THAT, IN FACT, WE'RE REDUCING TRAFFIC ON WATSON ROAD BASS THE ACCESS WON'T BE THERE ANYMORE THROUGH WYNTON

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AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IF YOU KNOW IN YOU ABOUT WATSON ROAD IN THIS AREA WITH US-1 AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THOSE RESIDENTS, AND WATSON ROAD TO THE SOUTH OF THEM, EVERYBODY WHO IS NORTH WATSON ROAD, THERE'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PRESSURE ON WYNTON CIRCLE IN PARTICULAR RELATED TO DRAINAGE, AND SO THEY STILL HAVE IT.

IF YOU SAW THAT PHOTO I PUT UP THERE EARLIER, THE DITCHES, AND I THINK ONE OF THESE EMAILS EVEN TALKS ABOUT THE DITCHES CURRENTLY HAVE WATER IN THEM, SO THE PROBLEM IS NOT SOLVED SOLELY BY THAT RETENTION POND THE COUNTY PUT IN DOWN HERE IN THE

SOUTHEAST. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AGAIN, BUT THE WATER MOVING TO THE NORTH-NORTHEAST, THAT'S NORTH OF THAT OF HYDRO LOGICAL DIVIDE. YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY CROSS THAT HYDROLOGICAL DIVIDE AND CROSS SOUTH TO WYNTON CIRCLE AND OTHER RESIDENCES IN THERE?

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S CURRENTLY THIS ENTIRE PORTION, THIS 13 ACRES, IS FLOWING TO THE SOUTH.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: RIGHT, THAT IS, I AGREE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THE REST -- THE BALANCE OF THE SITE THAT FLOWS TO THE NORTHEAST, YOU SAID YEAR GOING TO ALLEVIATE THAT FROM FLOODING WYNTON CIRCLE. I THOUGHT YOU STATED THAT.

IT STRUCK ME AS CURIOUS THAT THAT WAS GOING TO CROSS THE HYDROLOGICAL DIVIDE. OF COURSE IT COULD IN A LARGE FLOOD EVENT SPIENCHTS NOT SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA, THIS AREA TO THE NORTH OF THE GUIDE IS ALREADY GOING TO

THE NORTH. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

SO ONE REASON THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DENIED THAT MEVO PROJECT THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT JUST WAS SOUTH OF WATSON ROAD, IT WAS SUCHG WATSON ROAD, DID HAVE ACCESS ONTO WATSON ROAD, IT WAS A LARGE WETLAND AREA IN THERE AND THEY WERE GOING TO FILL VIRTUALLY ALL OF IT, AND THAT WAS -- THAT WAS PART OF A HEADWATERS REGION THAT DID FLOW NORTH-NORTHWEST THAT PROVIDED FLOWS ULTIMATELY TOWARD MOULTRIE CREEK.

SO YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO REDUCE FLOWS OUT OF YOUR PROPERTY. A JUST WORRIED ABOUT WHY I IMPACTS THAT MIGHT HAVE ON DECREASING FLOWS ULTIMATELY TOWARD MOULTRIE ENTRY CREEK IF ANY OF THIS WATER FLOWS ULTIMATELY THAT WAY. I DON'T WANT ANY REDUCED FLOWS GOING INTO MOULTRIE CREEK. I JUST THINK THAT'S BAD ENVIRONMENTALLY. SO MAYBE YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT=. BUT THE MEVO PROJECT, YOU'RE AT A, DID ACCESS WATSON ROAD. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

THAT'S GREAT. BUT IT ALSO IS GOING TO FILL A LOT OF WETLAND, AND I MIGHT AS WELL ADDRESS THIS NOW.

Y'ALL ARE PROPOSING TO FILL 82% OF THE WETLAND ON THE PROPERTY.

SO TO ME THAT SEEMS EXCESSIVE IN 2022 WHEN I UNDER 2022 WHEN I UNDER THERE ARE NO MORE WETLAND MITIGATION CREDITS AVAILABILITY IN COUNTY. I MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD THAT FROM SOMETHING I SAW OR READ. BUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MITIGATE FOR THAT IMPACT FOR 82% OF THE WETLAND BEING FILLED IN?

>> SPEAKER: I GUESS THE ISSUE OF WETLAND CREDITS AND BEING ABLE TO PURCHASE OR ACQUIRE UMEM:S WAS ARE THERE MORE THAN JUST GOING TO WETLAND BANKS. IN FACT, THERE'S A NUMBER OF LANDOWNERS IN THIS COUNTY THAT THEIR LANDS ARE NOT IN A WETLAND BANK BUT THEY ARE USED FOR UMEM CREDITS ON AN

INDIVIDUAL PERMIT BASIS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SUCH AS ENHANCED MANAGEMENT, THING LIKE THAT, REMOVAL OF EXOTICS?

>> SPEAKER: I MEAN, ACTUALLY -- YEAH.

AND LANDS THAT COULD BE IN A WETLAND BANK BUT THEY WEREN'T IN A WETLAND BANK, THEY WIND UP BEING INDIVIDUALLY PERMITTED.

AS OFF-SITE MITIGATION. AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE WETLAND BANKS YOUR RIGHT, SOME OF THE WETLAND BANKS, IN FACT, ONE OF AM THEY WAS BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, I THINK A PORTION OF IT, FOR A REZONING, SO YES,, SOME OF THOSE

WETLAND BANKS -- >> DR. HILSENBECK: WAS THAT

TURNBULL? >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OUT ON STATE ROAD 16 AND PACETTI ROAD? OUT THAT WAY?

>> SPEAKER: THE ONE JUST WEST OF THE OUTLET MALL THAT'S KIND

OF DOUBLE TRIANGLE SHAPED. >> DR. HILSENBECK: ALL RIGHT.

SO -- BUT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO FILL 82% OF THE WETLANDS.

THERE'S NO WAY TO TWEAK YOUR PLAN TO PRESERVE, CONSERVE MORE OF THE WETLAND ON THIS PROPERTY? YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THESE 240

UNITS? >> SPEAKER: I THINK THE QUICK ANSWER THAT I WOULD HAVE FOR YOU, AND IF HIR EVER HAD WAS HERE I WOULD HAVE THING VAF HAVING HARRY HERE -- I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET HIM ON THE PHONE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THIS -- I THINK THE CHALLENGE YOU HAVE IS YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT'S A TRADEOFF. IF YOU LEAVE THE WETLANDS, ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE STORM WATER TO THE NORTH? AND I THINK THE TRADEOFF ON THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION IS RELIEF

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THE ONLY WAY TO MOVE THAT STORM WATER TO THE NORTH IS TO PUT FILL IN AND GRADE THE LOT, THE LAND SO THAT IT PULLS TO THE MIDDLE TO MOVE THE STORM WATER TO THE NORTH.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT TASK THAT I KNOW OF, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THE WETLAND IMPACT TO DO

IT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

LET ME ASK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. I FIND IT ODD -- YOU SHOWED AN AERIAL PHOTO, AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HORSE TRAILERS COMING SOUTH THROUGH WYNTON CIRCLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN TO WATSON ROAD AND OUT TO US-1, WHY DO NOT THEY JUST TO GO WOMEN.

BELLA TERRA ROAD? EYE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPAG TO THIS SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY TRUCKS -- YOU SHOWED AN AERIAL PHOTO.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE HORSE BARN IS ACTUALLY CLOSER TO BELLA TERRA THAN IT WAS TO TAKING THE CIRCUITOUS ROUTE THROUGH WYNTON CIRCLE, WATSON ROAD, BACK A WAYS.

>> SPEAKER: I CAN TELL YOU, HAVING DRIVEN THAT ROAD QUITE A BIT, MY ASSUMPTION, AND THAT O ASK THE OWNER, MY ASSUMPTION RELATED TO IT IS PULLING OUT ONTO US-1 INTO THAT TRAFFIC, IT'S EASIER TO GO WYNTON CIRCLE AND GO TO THE RED LIGHT AT

WATSON ROAD. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

SO IT'S A DANGEROUS TURN OUT OF BELLA TERRA THEN.

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW THAT ANOTHER A DANGEROUS TURN BUT IT'S EASIER ON HORSES IN THE BACK OF A TRAILER.

>> DR. HILSENBECK:, SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 240 FAMILIES PULLING OUT ONTO US-1 THERE.

OKAY. >> MR. GREEN: IF I MAY.

IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CAR ACCELERATING AND A TRUCK WITH A TRAILER FULL OF HORSES. SO IF YOU WERE PULLING THAT HORSE OR THAT TRAILER, IT WOULD BE A LOT SIMPLER TO HAVE A GREENLIGHT AND THE TRAFFIC ON US-1 WOULD BE STOPPED AT A RED THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT THAT ANYBODY -- YOU CAN TRY THE FOR ONE TIME AND REASONABLE DRIVERS WOULD ALWAYS TAKE THAT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION. JUST SO THAT YOU CAN ACCELERATE

SAFELY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

I COULD ARGUE THAT, BUT -- >> SPEAKER: IT'S A RARE OCCASION THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN YOUR CAR THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO TIP OVER AND YOU SORT OF TAKE EVERY TURN A LITTLE BIT WIDER AND A LITTLE BIT SLOWER. LIVESTOCK IN THE REAR OF A TRAILER, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST PRECIOUS THINGS YOU COULD EVER BE HAULING OR NOT AROUND, I THINK, OTHER THAN YOUR

FAMILY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: GOOD POINT.

I'VE GOT SOME OTHER QUESTIONS IN HERE.

IS THERE REALLY ROOM THERE? I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THIS TO YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. IS THERE REALLY ROOM ON WATSON ROAD, AND I KNOW IT NEED TO BE IMPROVED BADLY, AND I WISH THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING AND FDOT YEARS AGO ON THIS, BUT IS THERE REALLY ROOM FOR A RIGHT TURN LANE, AS YOU'RE COMING OUT THERE? IT DROAPS OFF DROPLETS OFA SWALE AND SO YOU SAID THOSE WERE 10-FOOT TRAVEL LANES, I BELIEVE, ON WATSON ROAD NOW. STANDARD FOR TWO LANE ROAD IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 12 FEET. SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO

PUT A 12-FOOT TURN LANE? >> AT THIS STAGE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EANGT THAT WE CAN DO THAT UNTIL WE GET INTO THE ENGINEERING PART OF IT AS FAR AS THE SURVEY.

AT THIS STAGE, YES, WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE CAN DO THAT AT THE APPROACH TO THIS. IT WILL BE LIMITED UP TO THIS POINT, BUT WE BELIEVE WE CAN PUT IN THE REQUIRED STORAGE FOR THAT LEFT TURN BAY AND WIDENING THAT WE'RE LOOKING LOOKING AT, YO

12-FOOT LANES. >> SPEAKER: AND, DR. HILSENBECK, WHAT NELSON HAS COME UP WITH FOR THIS IMPROVEMENT, I DON'T KNOW THAT HE HAD THE BENEFIT OF IT, BUT HAVING WATCHED A NUMBER PRESENTATIONS HERE, I THINK THAT IMPROVEMENT AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH IS SOMETHING THAT WAS LOOKED AT BY DEAFIELD FOREST THAT WAS DENIED A COUPLE DIFFERENT TYPES. MEVO HAD AN IMPROVEMENT TO WATSON ROAD. THANK YOU IT'S BEEN LOOKED AT BY DIFFERENT ENGINEERS AND STAP STACH MAYBE HAVEN'T REVIEWED THIS BUT THEY HAVE REVIEWED THOSE AND SO I THINK NELSON ANALYSIS FITS WITHIN THAT BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS

THERE TO ACCOMPLISH IT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I AM VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT MIKE ROBERSON JUST SAID, THAT THE COUNTY HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO SCRUTINIZE THESE PARTICULAR ROAD REVENUE.

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BUT I DO AGREE, SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN THERE ON WATSON ROAD TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC AND THE VERY DANGER NATURE OF THAT INTERSECTION. THAT IS REALLY A BAD, BAD

INTERSECTION GOING BOTH WAYS. >> SPEAKER: I THINK THOSE WORDS HAVE PROBABLY BEEN SPOKEN IN THIS ROOM MANY TIMES OVER THE

LAST 15 OR 20 YEARS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M SURE.

I'M SURE. LET ME JUST ASK THIS REAL QUICKLY. SO THERE'S NO WORKFORCE HOUSING

AT ALL COMPONENT TO THIS? >> SPEAKER: NO, SIR.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. >> SPEAKER: I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD BE A FOR SALE -- IT'S NOT CONTEMPLATED AT THIS TIME THAT

IT WOULD BE A FOR SALE PRODUCT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO YOU MAY NOT HAVE -- SINCE YOU DID A TRAFFIC ENGINEERING ANALYSIS, WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE THE NEW 240 TOWNHOME SUBDIVISION AND TURN RIGHT, IT'S GOING TO BE A RIGHT ONLY ONTO US-1, WHAT PERCENTAGE DO YOU ESTIMATE OF THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO A U-TURN

AT WATSON ROAD AND GO NORTH? >> WE'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT 40 VEHICLES DURING THE EVENING AND ABOUT 23.

>> DR. HILSENBECK:, PACKER HOUR.

>> DURING THE PEAK HOUR. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU GAVE THE PEAK HOUR. WHAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF,

DAILY TRAFFIC? >> THE DAILY TRAFFIC IS ABOUT

1774. >> DR. HILSENBECK: HUGE DIFFERENCE. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT DO YOU THINK ARE GOING TO GO NORTH, HAVE TO DO A U-TURN ON US-1 AT WATSON ROAD TO HEAD NORTH? NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE TAKING THEIR CHILDREN TO MENENDEZ HIGH SCHOOL OR DRIVING DOWN TO 206 AND COMING ACROSS THE CRESCENT BEACH.

A CONSIDERABLE NUMBER ARE GOING TO GO NORTH I ASSUME.

DO YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATE? >> NO, NOT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE, FIRST OF ALL, WHEN WE LOOK AT CAPACITY OF A ROADWAY, WE DON'T REALLY LOOK AT THE ENTIRE DAY TRAFFIC BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE 50% OF IT HAPPEN DURING THE MORNING AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS SPREAD OUT DURING THE COURSE OF THE DAY, SO WE LOOK AT THE HEAVIEST PORTION OF WHAT HAPPENS ON THE ROADWAY, AND TYPICALLY IT'S -- THERE'S A TIME PERIOD IN MORNING AND A TIME PERIOD IN

EVENING THAT IT OCCURS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THE A.M.

AND P.M. PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC. I'M AWARE OF THAT.

>> T WHAT WE'RE TO EVALUATE AND MOST AGENCIES DO BECAUSE YOU LOOKY REST OF -- YOU'RE LOOKING AT 24 HOURS OF THE DAY, AND THAT TIME PERIOD BETWEEN MID MIGHT TO 6:00, THERE'S HARDLY ANY TRAFFIC ON THAT ROADWAY. SO YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRETY OF 1774 OR 17 -- YEAH, 1774 VEHICLES, 24 HOURS, THEY'RE NOT THE 24-HOUR PERIOD AND THEY'RE NOT EVENING DISTRIBUTED PER HOUR IN A 24-HOUR PERIOD. SO WE TYPICALLY DON'T LOOK AT THAT AS FAR AS THAT VOLUME, BUT I CAN GET YOU THAT ANSWER AS FAR AS HOW MANY WE ANTICIPATE MOVING NORTH, MOVING SOUTH, AND WE DID USE THE REGIONAL MODEL FOR DISTRIBUTION FOR IT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. WELL, I WOULD LIKE THE COUNTY TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE ALL THESE TRAFFIC CHANGES AND TURN LANES, AND I THINK IT'S VERY GOOD WHAT Y'ALL HAVE PROPOSED. I THINK IT'S QUITE GOOD AND IT'S GOING TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS, BUT I'M NOT SURE OF THAT, AND I'D LIKE A COUNTY SIGN-OFF ON THAT AND ANALYSIS OF ALL THAT. SO I DO HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS BUT I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK.

SO I'M GOING TO CEASE MY QUESTIONING AT THIS POINT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BY THE AGENCY MEMBERS? I HAVE ONE.

OH, MR. WILSON, GO AHEAD. >> MR. WILSON: THAT DECELERATION RAIN ON PHILLIPS HIGHWAY, DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG

THAT WAS? >> SPEAKER: FOR .

>> FOR THE DRIVEWAY SITE? >> MR. WILSON: TO TURN.

TO TURN IN THERE. >> THAT I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG IT

IS. >> SPEAKER: IT'S GENERAL AS A SITE-RELATED IMPROVEMENT SO THE SHORT PART OF THE STORY IS WHATEVER LENGTH THE COUNTY STAFF TELLS TELLS US DURING CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL IS A LENGTH IT HAS TO BE.

THAT'S THE SHORT PART OF THE STORY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVEN HAVE PROPOSED RIGHT TURN LAWN.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVEN HAVE A NUMBER SET -- WELL, 405.

>> 4 OBVIOUS 5. >> SPEAKER: 405 RIGHT TURN LANE IS WHAT IT'S SPECCED ON THE MDP MAP BUT REGARDLESS OF THAT

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SOME REASON THAT'S WHAT WE DO. >> WE DID USE DOT STANDARDS AS FAR AS TURN LANES, AND THAT IS RELATED TO THE SIGN SPEED ON THE ROADWAY TYPICALLY AT ABOUT 5 MILES PER HOUR HIGH, THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT, SO THE TURN LANE TYPICALLY HASES GOT THREE PARTS TO IT. ONE IS FOR THE THE ANTICIPATED QUEUE, THE DECELERATION, AND THEN THE TAPER.

SO WE LOOKED AT AS FAR AS WHAT WE PROJECTED AS QUEUE AT THE SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE, AND WHAT WE'RE ADDING WHICH IS ABOUT 39, 40 VEHICLES DURING THE P.M. PEAK HOUR AND WHAT KIND OF QUEUING THAT'S GOING TO RESULT AND ADD THAT ON AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF EXTENSION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

NOW, IT DURNS -- WHAT WE CALCULATED AS FAR AS THAT VOLUME OF U-TURN TRAFFIC IS NOT ACCOUNT YAING THE ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE ON THAT APPROACH OR THAT INTERSECTION, OR THIS

INTERSECTION. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE? DOUG, COULD YOU PUM THE AERIAL THAT SHOWS THE VARIOUS DRIVEWAYS ALONG US-1 IN FRONT OF AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE

PROJECT. >> SPEAKER: ON US-1.

I THINK I HAVE TO GO BACK PRETTK TOWARDS THE BEGINNING OF THE

PRESENTATION HERE. >> MR. MATOVINA: CORRECT.

>> SPEAKER: GIVE ME ONE MOMENT.

I'LL GET THERE. >> MR. MATOVINA: IT'S AN AERIAL PHOTO. THERE WE GO.

ALL RIGHT. MY FIRST QUESTION IS I ASSUME YOU DO NOT HAVE A DOT DRIVEWAY PERMIT.

HAVE YOU MET WITH THE DOT? >> SPEAKER: IN FACT, OUR COVER FOR OUR PRE-APP WITH THE DOT, LEE TOOKD LOEW AT THE MINUTE AND THEIR DETERMINATION TO OUR PRE-APP ME GO IS IN OUR PRESENTATION. WE DO THE PRE-APP.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND SO SO MANY TURNING RIGHT OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WANTING TO GO NORTH IS GOING TO TO GO DOWN TO WATSON ROADSON TO MAKE IS THE U-TURN. THERE'S NO OTHER PLACE TO MAKE A U-TURN IN BETWEEN, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT. >> MR. MATOVINA: AND THE DRIVEWAY -- THERE IS NO MEDIAN OPEN OF THE TWO DRIVEWAYS I CAN SEE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD HERE FOR THAT TRAFFIC TO MIX IN WITH THAT SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC. SO YOU HAVE -- ACROSS FROM THE SWIMMING POOL YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY THERE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOT A DEDICATED LEFT IN AND A RIGHT OUT ONLY OUT OF THERE.

THAT IS RIGHT? >> SPEAKER: YOU'RE TALKING WITH THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE PROJECT?

>> MR. MATOVINA: NO, ON THE EAST SIDE OF US-1, DIRECTLY EAST OF WHERE YOUR SWIMMING POOL IS SHOWN, YOU SEE THAT DRIVEWAY,

THAT NICE BIG WIDE DRIVEWAY? >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR, RIGHT UP

HERE. >> MR. MATOVINA: IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS A DEDICATED LEFT IN, STHAR?

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO THAT TRAFFIC CAN'T MIXED WITH THE TRAFFIC EXITING.

AND HEN THE DRIVEWAY TO THE SOUTH OF THAT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD DOWN TO THAT FUNNY-SHAPED POND ON THE EAST

SIDE BY THE MUSEUM -- >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: -- THAT ONLY GOES TO THE NORTH.

CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT, YES, SIR. IT'S RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT,

SIMILAR -- >> MR. MATOVINA: WHERE WILL THE U-TURN OCCUR FOR NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC TRYING TO ACCESS THIS DEVELOPMENT TO COME WALK TO THE SOUTH?

>> SOUTHWOOD. SOUTHWOOD LAKE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SOUTH WHAT? >> SOUTHWOOD LAKE DRIVE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHICH IS HOW FAR IS IF WE DON'T SEE IT HERE,

RIGHT? >> IT'S JUST NORTH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: JUST OFF THE MAP THERE?

>> IT'S THE FIRST MEDIAN OPENING FOR THAT NORTHBOUND.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND YOU HAVE CONSULTED WITH THE DOT.

>> SPEAKER: YES, WE HAVE. I CAN GO BACK TO SHORES DRIVE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: I GOT MY ANSWERS, DOUG.

I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LET'S MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. MENCHTS MR. MCANARNEYY.

>> MS. PERKINS: MR. MCANARNEYY.

>> I'M SPOR FOR GOING FIRST. WE HAVE ACTUAL RESIDENTS HERE.

SO I'M PRESENTING INCOMPLETE INFORMATION.

WHAT WE SAW WAS NOT IN OUR INFORMATION PACKET, SO THE

PUBLIC HASN'T SEEN THIS. >> MS. PERKINS: STATE YOUR

NAME AND ADDRESS. >> SPEAKER: JOE MCANARNEY, 1005 BLACKBERRY RAIN. I'M CURIOUS IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER CONTINUANCE HERE. SO, LOOK WEEK WHAT I'M PRESENTING HERE ARE TWO IDEAS, ONE THAT WHAT IS PROPOSED IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH NEIGHBORS AND, TWO WITH THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY CONCERNS WHICH WE HAVE JUST LOOKED AT.

AND AS MR. BURNETT HAS POINTED OUT, THE PROJECT IS WITHIN A MIXED USE DISTRICT. IT'S PROPOSING A REZONING FOR --

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AND LETS REMEMBER THAT NUMBER, 8 EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT'S IMPORTANT. I CALL THIS WOODBRIDGE.

SORRY. THAT'S WIN ITON.

I GOOT GOT WOOD BRIDGE OFF OF THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE HERE BUILT IN 1994, TWO UNITS PER ACRE AND THE LOT SEWS THERE IS 100 BY 140 AVERAGE A THIRD OF AN ACRE PER LOT, SO LET'S REMEMBER THAT NUMBER ALSO. THE NEIGHBOR RIGHT THERE TO THE SOUTH, TWO UNITS PER ACRE, AND IT'S IN THAT SAME MIXED USE DISTRICT. AND TO THE WEST OSPREY LANDING, IT'S IN THAT SAME MIXED USE DISTRICT, 69 UNITS, 30.7 ACRES, 2.25 UNITS PER ACRE. SO, SO FAR WE ARE NOT APPROACHING EIGHT. IMMEDIATELY ACROSS US-1 IS A VERY DENSE DEVELOPMENT CALLED THE ARBORS AT VALENCIA, 200 UNITS ON 71, ALMOST 62 ACRES, VERY DENSE, 3.23 UNITS PER ACRE.

I JUST GRABBED A FEW SHOTS OF VALENCIA SO WE COULD SEE HOW DENSE THAT IS, VERY, VERY DENSE DEVELOPMENT.

SO NONE OF THESE APPROACHES 8 UNITS PER ACRE.

I'M SORRY FOR THE FUZZINESS OF THE MAP, BUT YOU ALL DID DISCUSS THE U-TURNS. I MEAN, THIS IS JUST A CONTINUAL U-TURN OPERATION. IF YOU WANT TO GO NORTH, YOU HAVE TO GO SOUTH EXPUVMENT TURN. IF YOU ARE HEADING NORTH AND WANT TO GET THERE, YOU HAVE TO U-TURN AND HEAD BACK SOUTH.

WHETHER THAT'S WILDWOOD OR, AS WAS MENTIONED, SOMETHING A LITTLE CLOSER THAN WILDWOOD, BUT IT IS A CONTINUOUS U-TURN OPERATION. AND SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING HERE IS THAT IF WE LOOK AT THE MOST DENSE IN THE AREA, 3.23 TIMES 3E LOOKING AT 97 UNITS ON THIS PROJECT SUCH THAT IT IS COMPATIBLE. THAT REDUCES SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN, REDUCES TRACK OF, AND DOES SEEM TO BE -- TRAFFIC AND DOES SEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

SO I PUT THAT OUT THERE AS A POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION FOR ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU. MS. JUDY SPEIGEL.

CAN YOU MY NAME IS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS JUDY SPEIGEL.

I'M REPRESENT 10 OSPREY LANDING OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. MY ADDRESS IS 101 GREEN WILLOW LANE IN ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA 32086.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME ON THIS RIDE SO PLEASE HAVE GRACE. WE REPRESENT THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF OSPREY LANDING, AS I MENTIONED.

THE TIME OF THIS MEETING, NOVEMBER 3RD AT 1:30 WE HAD SEVERAL CONCERNS REGARDING THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PUD AT BELLA TERRA.

IN PROPERTY A PUTS THE CUL-DE-SAC IN OUR DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS THE STREET I LIVE ON. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT TODAY. WE HAVE SEVERAL ISSUES WITH THIS PROPOSED PROJECT BUT I AM ONLY RAISING ONE ISSUE TODAY.

WE RESPECTFULLY RESERVE THE RIGHT TO RAISE FURTHER ISSUES AT SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS. THIS ISSUE CONCERNS THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND THE POTENTIAL FOR FLOODING ON OUR PROPERTY AND DAMAGE AND LOSS OF OSPREY LANDING AND ALSO THE STABILITY OF THE ENTRANCE INTO OSPREY LANDING SO TO EAST WATSON ROAD. I HAVE ATTACHED SEVERAL PHOTOGRAPHS STANDING WATERED ALONG EAST WATSON ROAD.

I DO APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT REPAIRING WATSON ROAD.

I AM NOT AN ENGINEER, I DON'T HAVE A DEGREE IN ROAD M'M, BUT I DO KNOW IT'S VERY WET BACK THERE.

IT'S ALL SWAMPLAND, AND SINCE THE HURRICANE THE WATER HAS NOT RECEDED. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'R GOING TO EXPAND THIS UNLESS THEY DO A BUNCH UNDERGROUND SEWERS, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK.

I DID LOOK AT SOME DATA POINTS REGARDING RAINFALL FROM THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

ACTUAL RAINFALL FOR SEPTEMBER WAS 13.93 PROVISIONAL DATA.

ACTUAL RAINFALL IN OCTOBER WAS 1.72.

SO WE HAD VERY MIN MA'AM RAINFALL.

THE AVERAGE IN OCTOBER FOR THIS REGION IS 4 INCHES.

SO WE HAVE WAY BELOW AVERAGE. THE HURRICANE IAN DEPOSITED A LARGE AMOUNT OF OF WATER AND THE CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS ACCRUED ON ROUTE 1 AND WATSON ROAD ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER HAS ALREADY IMPACTED THAT LAND BY PAVING ON IT, AND I KNOW THEY'VE PUT IN A LARGE RETENTION POND, BUT THE ENTIRE AREA IS FLOODED SPHIT HAS

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I DON'T THINK OUR LAND COULD HOLD THAT AND I THINK OUR RETENTION PONDS ARE ALREADY AT THEIR MAXIMUM.

HERE YOU CAN SEE -- SORRY. THIS IS OUR WE'RE AND WIER ANS AT CAPACITY. OUR NORMAL SHORE LIBRARIAN IS RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN SEE UNDERWATER IS OUR CULVERT. AND THIS IS WHERE THE WATER IS SUPPOSED TO RUN OFF TO AND IT'S FULL.

I HAVE 8 SECOND LEFT. WATER, RAIN WATER IN SEPTEMBER WAS HIGHER THAN USUAL. AND LOWER THAN USUAL IN OCTOBER AND THE WATER HASN'T GONE ANYWHERE, SO I THINK THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT US NEGATIVELY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR

TIME. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. YOU'LL HAVE TO TURN THOSE

MATERIALS IN TO MS. MARIE. >> MS. PERKINS: ANDREW STUFFY.

>> SPEAKER: I'M ANDREW STUFFY I LIVE AT 113 GREEN WILLOW LANE, ST. AUGUSTINE IN THE OSPREY LANDING SUBDIVISION, AND I AM ON THE LANE IN QUESTION, GREEN WILLOW LANE.

I HAD QUITE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU, AND I WANT TO WELCOME MR. GREEN, FIRST OF ALL. IT'S NICE TO HAVE THE REPRESENTATION. I TOOK A LOT OF PICTURES YESTERDAY. TIME WILL NOT ALLOW TO SHOW THEM ALL. BUT OUR THREE MAIN CONCERNS ARE THE WATER MANAGEMENT, THE TRAFFIC, AND THE SERVICES.

WITH THAT MANY PEOPLE COMING IN, FIRE AND POLICE SERVICES WILL BE STRETCHED PRETTY THIN. THE WATER MANAGEMENT, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS WATER ALL ALONG. THE CURRENT FILL LEVEL IS ABOUT 1200 LOADS OF FILL CURRENTLY ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WATSON ROAD AND ROUTE 1. TODAY AS WE WERE COMING IN, THERE WERE ABOUT 11 TO 12 MORE LOADS OF FILL.

YESTERDAY WE WALKED BACK AND WE NOTICED EQUIPMENT DIGGING MORE DITCHES BACK THERE, AND THERE'S BEEN AN EROSION PROPERTY EVEN AS THEY FILLED IT UP, SO IF THEY ARE PROPOSING 82% TO BE FILLED, THAT WATER HAS GOT TO BE SOMEWHERE, AND RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL GO BACK ON WATSON ROAD.

RIGHT NOW WATSON ROAD IN OUR PHOTOGRAPHS, THERE'S TWO AREAS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE SANDBAGGED ALONGSIDE WATSON ROAD TO KEEP WATER OFF THE ROADWAY. OF COURSE, THE TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN, AND I AM OUT OF OSPREY LANDING AT LEAST TWO TIMES A DAY IN AND OUT. IT IS A NIGHTMARE AT BEST.

THERE IS NO ARROWS GOING TO THE NORTH FROM THE WEST SIDE OF WATSON ROAD. MANY TIMES THE AMBULANCES HAVE HAD TO GO AROUND BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC.

IT IS NIGHTMARISH AT BEST. I HAVE OTHER CONCERNS VOORMTLY BUT I WONT -- ENVIRONMENT I BUT I WON'T BORE YOU WITH THOSE RIGHT NOW. JUST SUFFICE IT TO SAY THAT I'VE GOT TO PHOTOGRAPHS. I WILL LET THEM SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. ANYBODY WHO TRAVELS ROUTE 1, ANY TIME OF THE DAY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GOT THEIR FIGURES FROM, BUT AT LEAST TWICE A WEEK SOMEBODY'S GOING THROUGH A RED LIGHT, SO WE REALLY, REALLY DO NEED UPGRADING, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT. I JUST HOPE THAT ALL THE UPGRADES ARE APPROVED AND IN THE PROCESS BEFORE THEY START THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR

CONSIDERATION. >> MS. PERKINS: GLENN

ST. PIERRE. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS GLENN ST. PIERRE.

LIVE A 142 OSPREY MARCH LANE. THAT'S ALSO WITHIN A OSPREY MARSH LANDING AREA. TO ADD TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT BESIDES THE TRAFFIC AND THE WATER MANAGEMENT, WHICH ARE TOP OF THE LIST, BUT I KNOW THEY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO BE ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

I. I DON'T KNOW IF THINK OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE RENTALS AND IF THERE IS IS THERE A PERCENTAGE OF HOW MANY WOULD BE RENTAL VERSE US OWNERSHIP. AND I KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT THE

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WE WERE JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS FOIBT NIPE OF A FENCE OFFER ANY OTHER TYPE OF SEPARATION BOUNDARY IN THERE.

ALSO THEY MENTIONED THE STORM WATER AND TRAFFIC STUDIES, ENGINEERING REPORTS. I DON'T KNOW.

ARE THOSE AVAILABLE LIKE ONLINE OR IS THERE ANYWAY THAT LIKE OUR HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION COULD GET THOSE TO LOOK AT THEM? I MEAN, WE HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT, AND IT KEEPS THE PROPERTIES LOOKING NICE AND YOU KNOW IT'S MANAGEABLE, AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING STAYS AS NICE AS IT IS NOW ONCE THEY COME IN AND PUT IN 240 PROPOSED UNITS.

ALSO, JUST TO TOUCH BASE BACK ON THE TRAFFIC, I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE AT OSPREY MARSH FOR SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST FOUR OR SO FATALITIES RIGHT THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION. THOSE ARE ONLY THE ONLY ONES THAT I KNOW ABOUT, AT WATSON AND US-1, SO I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMEONE SAY THAT THERE WASN'T THAT GOING TO BE BIG OF AN IMPACT ON WATSON COMING OUT AND I JUST DON'T EVEN SEE HOW THAT'S POSSIBLE. SOME OF TRUCKS THAT DO COME IN AND GO TO CRESCENT RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE TO WAIT FOR PEOPLE TO COME OUT -- TO COME OUT OF WATSON BEFORE THEY CAN MAKE THAT TURN TO GO DOWN TO TECHNICAL CRESCENT, SO I MEAN THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY BACKED UP, AND THEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADD THE U-TURNS ON THERE COMING OUT OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T WANT TO TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE,T THAT'S ALREADY COMING UP SEVERAL TIMES, SO I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE MANAGEABLE RIGHT THERE GETTING IN AND OUT. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S -- THE REST THAT I HAVE HAS BEEN COVERED. AS FAR AS SERVICES, TOO, GETTING IN AND OUT, IT'S LIKE TRYING TO GET EMERGENCY VEHICLES IN THERE RIGHT NOW AND THE SCHOOL BUSES IS ALREADY PRETTY TIGHT.

SO THAT'S JUST GOING TO ADD TO THE CONGESTION THERE.

THANK YOU FOR THE TIME, EVERYONE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: WILLIAM

TOOMEY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS WILLIAM TOOMEY. I LIVE AT 105 GREEN WILLOW LANE IN THE OSPREY MARSH LANDING ARE AREA.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE THIS SHORT AND SWEET.

I MOVED ON FROM BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS 10-1/2 YEARS AGO, AND THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL CITY. I LEFT BOSTON BECAUSE IT WAS TURNING INTO A CEMENT JUNGLE, AND I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY REALIZES YOU'VE GOT A GEM HERE AND PLEASE DO NOT TURN IT INTO A CEMENT JUNGLE. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: PA TRISHA PRATTS.

>> SPAIMS PEDIATRICS PRATS. 107 GREEN WOIL LANE IN ST. AUGUSTINE, ALSO OSPREY LANDING, AND UNFORTUNATELY -- I MEAN, FORTUNATELY Y'ALL HAVE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO IT. BUT THANK YOU ANYWAY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: THERE ARE NO

MORE SPEAKER WARDS CADS. >> MR. MATOVINA: WOTD APPLICANT LIKE TO COME AND UP OFFER TOM REBUTTAL?

>> SPEAKER: I GUESS THE QUICK THING IS A PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED RENTAL MULTI-FAMILY PRODUCT HAS TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION.

ON-SITE MANAGEMENT, ON-SITE MAINTENANCE, ON-SITE RENTALS.

THOSE KIND OF FOLKS, YOU NEED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FOLKS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. SO ONE OF THE COMMENTS RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS. I WANT TO GO BACK, THOUGH, AND TALK ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, AND I THINK THERE'S NO REAL BETTER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS IS JUST LOOK AT THE EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE DRAINAGE, WHERE THAT DRAINAGE IS FLOWING. WE KNOW IT'S -- 13 ACRES IS FLOWING TO THE SOUTH. STORM WATER IS FLOWING TO THE

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THE ONE THING THAT I THINK I HEARD EXIFLT AND ALSO SAW IN THE COUPLE OF EMAILS THAT WERE HANDED OUT TO YOU IS STORM WATER IS A MAJOR PROBLEM IN THIS AREA. STORM WATER IS A MAJOR PROBLEM IN WATSON ROAD. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THAT STORM WATER FROM FLOWING SOUTH, Q. AND THE WYNTON CIE AREA OF OS PLE MARSH OR OSPREY LANDING AND MOVING THAT STORM WATER TO THE NORTH, TO THE NORTH DIRECTION IS THE AREA IN WHICH THAT FDOT CAN IN FACT ACCOMMODATED IT, AND I GUESS THE WAY VISUALLY TO SHOW IS THAT IT ALL FLOWS TO THE CENTER TO THE POND, AND THEN BY PIPING GETS CONVEYED THE TO NORTHEAST OF THE SITE AND OUT, AND THAT REMOVES THAT DISCHARGE FROM GOING TO THE SOUTH. AND THEN JUST AGAIN TO HIT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEVA BECAUSE IT WAS RIGHT THERE.

MEVA'S TBIER PROJECT WAS, ONE, INCREDIBLY TINY COMPARED TO THIS. HALF THE SIZE.

VERY TIGHT FIT. THREE-STORY BUILDINGS, 45-FOOT TALL, YOU OVERLOOK YOUR NEIGHBORS.

THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

THESE ARE ONE-STORY. WE'RE COMMITTING TO A ONE-STORY STRUCTURE ON THIS SITE. SO EV LOW IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS VISUALLY FROM A STRUCTURE, MASS AND SCALE.

IT'S DECIDED IT DOESN'T LIKE ME. WEIRD.

THERE WE GO. WE HAVE A STORM WATER REPORT WHICH THEY DIDN'T OBVIOUSLY WITH MEVO I DON'T BELIEVE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACCESS TO WATSON ROAD.

YES, SURE, WE HAVE A U-TURN BUT THAT U-TURN IS NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING A CAUSES ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC BURDEN ON WATSON ROAD ITSELF ON THAT WESTERN APPROACH COMING TO US-1.

WE'RE RIGHT NOW THE FRUSTRATION YOU HAVE IF YOU'RE ON THAT ROADWAY IS YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OFF UNFORTUNATE WATSON ROAD ONTO US-1. YOU DON'T CARE IF YOU COULD GO RETIRE YOU CAN GO LEFT. THAT LIGHT, A LOT OF THE TIMES, IS CYCLING BEFORE YOU EVER GET THROUGH THE LIGHT.

BECAUSE IF SOMEONE'S TRYING TO TURN LEFT AND THERE'S OTHER TRACK OF COMING OUT THE OTHER DIRECTION, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY CARS THAT ARE GOING TO GET OUT, AND WHAT YOU FIND IS THERE'S A LIMITED AREA WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET AROUND TO THE RIGHT AND RUN OFF THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT AND THERE'S SOME RUTS THERE, WHATNOT. YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AROUND THE CAR. IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.

AND THIS GOES BACK, I MEAN, THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND NOW, WE'VE BEEN HEARING THIS IN THIS ROOM FOR 15, 20 YEARS, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE, AND THE IMPROVEMENTS AREN'T THERE. THIS IS WAY TO GET THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TIMELY. THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AREN'T PROGRAMMED TO BE THERE. SO IF THEY'RE NOT PROGRAMMED RIGHT NOW, WHEN WILL THE RESIDENTS OF WATSON ROAD EVER SEE THEM SHORT OF A PROJECT LIKE THIS GETTING APPROVED? YES, 240 UNITS, BUT ALSO WE NEED MULTI-FAMILY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THIS IS THE RIGHT MULTI-FAMILY WITH A LOWER LEVEL UNIT, NOT MASS AND IMPOSING, AND WE'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS EITHER DENIED OR WITHDRAWN IN RECENT TIMES AROUND OUR COUNTY, AND IT SEEMS LIKE NOTHING ON 16, BARRING A MIRACLE, IS GOING TO OR SHOULD BE GOING FORWARD AT THIS STAGE BASED ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH TRAFFIC UP THERE AND NO RELIEF YET ON STATE ROUTE ROAD 16 SOUTH OF THE OUTMET LET MALL.

WE HAVE SEEN THE CHALLENGES OUT THERE, AND PART OF THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN A NUMBER MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS MEETING A DEMISE, WHETHER BY DENIALS OR WITHDRAWALS.

AND HERE WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT ACTUALLY FITS BEAUTIFUL BIEWTDFULLY IN THIS AREA AND OFFERING TO, BEAUT FLE IN THIS AREA AND OFFERING TO FLEAS A SIGNIFICANT STORM WATER ISSUE.

THE COUNTY'S POND THAT'S ON THERE OBVIOUSLY HELPED.

THERE WAS AN ENORMOUS EFFORT TO PLUSH THAT, THE FOLKS ON WYNTON CIRCLE WERE CONSECUTIVELY IN BRINGING IT TO THE COUNTY'S ATTENTION THAT SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE AND ULTIMATELY THE COUNTY DID SOMETHING AND THAT POND GOT PUT IN.

THAT POND, BY THE WAY, DOES FLOW OUT TO U-1 ALONG THE EASEMENT OF BELLA TERRA THAT'S RIGHT THERE RIGHT NOW. .

AND FLOWS ALONG THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THIS WOULD FLOW THERE AND HEAD NORTH AS WELL.

AND SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT THIS IS GOOD ALL AROUND.

IT BRINGS TRAFFIC MOVEMENT TO WATSON AND HELPS THE STORM WATER ISSUE. IT'S A WIN IN EVERY CATEGORY.

I KNOW IT'S MULTI-FAMILY. I KNOW IT'S MORE RESIDENTIAL.

THAT MAY NOT BE THE THING THAT'S IN VOGUE RYAN BUT THERE IS A COMMAND FOR MULTI-FAMILY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE NEED MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT MR. HILSENBECK BROUGHT UP THE FACT AND MR. ROBBERSON CONFIRMED THAT STAFF HASN'T VETTED THOSE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.

WE CERTAINLY CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY EXIRGSES AND MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED OR ADDRESSED WE CAN DO IT.

IT IS AGAIN SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED TO BE DONE WITH MEVO AND DEAFERLD FOREST AND DEAD AFTER FORESTS, THE SECOND GO ROUND OF DEARFIELD FOREST AND WHATEVER CAME AFTER WATSON.

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IF YOU HAVE A TECHNICAL QUESTION I CAN CALL HARRY NEWKIRK.

HE WAS MEANT TO BE HERE TO ADDRESS STORM WATER.

UNFORTUNATELY, A -- >> DR. HILSENBECK: WE'RE SORRY MR. NEWKIRK IS IN THE HOSPITAL FOR SURE.

YOU MENTIONED THE WATER FLOWING TO THE NORTHEAST OUT THERE TO U-1. WHERE AGAIN DOES IT GO? IT GOES INTO THE SWALE ALONG US-1?

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND JUST DIRECTS COLLECTS IN THE SWALE ON US-1.

BECAUSE US-1 IS BUILT UP ABOVE THAT SWALE, AND JUST TO YOUR NORTH YOU'VE GOT THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL CONDOS, BUSINESSES IN THERE.

THAT WATER, IF IT'S FLOWING TO THE NORTHEAST OFF YOUR SITE OUT TOWARD US-1 INTO A SWALE, I DON'T SEE WHERE IT'S GOING AND IT'S NOT BLOCKING ACCESS TO ANY DRIVEWAY FOR THAT COMMERCIAL CONDO DEVELOPMENT? I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S GOING WHEN IT GOES NORTHEAST OFF YOUR SITE.

>> SPEAKER: AND CURRENTLY THAT'S WHERE POSITIVITY LEGAL OUTFLOW IS ACROSS THAT DIVIDER LINE.

IT'S ALREADY GOING TO THAT POINT.

IT JUST WOULD BE -- >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO IT JUST COLLECTS IN THE SWALE. OKAY.

YOU MENTIONED YOU'RE TAKING 13 ACRES OF FLOWS OUT, BUT -- AND I COULDN'T -- IN THE TIME I HAD, WADE THEREON THE ENTIRE HYDROLOGICAL AND ENGINEERING PLAN, BUT THE VOLUME OF FLOW IS ALSO IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT JUST THE 13 ACRES OF LAN LAND THAT FLOW IS COMING OFF OF BUT HOW MUCH VOLUME IS COMING OFF OF THERE.

THAT'S GOT TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

AND MAYBE YOU HAVE THAT. AND I MISSED IT.

SO I WAS WRONG ON YOUR DENSITY AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT 8 UNITS PER ACRE IS STILL CONSIDERABLY MORE, AS WAS JUST SHOWN BY MR. MCANARNEY'S PRESENTATION, THAN THE I THINK 3.32 OR 3.23 UNITS PER ACRE AT THE HIGHEST DENSITY IN THIS AREA OF RESIDENTIAL, SO THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME.

AND WHAT I'VE SEEN UP HERE, SINCE SITTING UP HERE FOR THREE YEARS, IS THAT WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE HIGH DENSITY PROPOSALS COMING TO US. RES-A, RES-B, YOU DO NOT SEE THOSE VERY OAFN. WHAT WE'RE GETTING IS VERY HIGH VERY HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS SO WE CAN PACK A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN HERE ON SMALLER PIECES OF LAND.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD TREND FOR THE COUNTY, IN MY OPINION. SO I DID WANT TO ASK SOMETHING ABOUT -- THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT INTERCONNECTIVITY TO THE PARCEL TO YOUR NORTH.

AND Y'ALL SAID YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE A GATED COMMUNITY SO YOU CAN'T HAVE INTERCONNECTIVITY TO THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH.

IS THAT PARCEL TO THE NORTH GOING TO BE LANDLOCKED OR DOES IT HAVE SOME KIND OF ACCESS OUT TO US-1?

>> SPEAKER: THE OTHER PARCELS HAVE WHATEVER THEIR LEGAL ACCESS ARE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR PROJECT. OUR PROJECT, THOUGH, INTENDS TO

BE A GATED PROJECT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ACCESS, LEGAL ACCESS OR NOT OTHER THAN THROUGH YOUR

CLIENT'S PROPERTY? >> SPEAKER: I KNOW THE -- RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY.

OR ACTUALLY IT'S NOT MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY.

I REPRESENT THE DEVELOPER. THE OWNER'S PROPERTY, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT RIGHT NOW. IN FACT, JOHN RUNNINGIERY IS HERE RIGHT NOW. HE'S RUN OF THE OWNERS.

AND A LARGE PART OF WHAT I'M DISCUSSING RELATED TO STORM WATER, THE REASON THE COUNTY'S POND IS THERE IS THAT JOHN RUGGIERI WITHOUT COMPENSATION NEGOTIATED WITH THE COUNTY TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THE POND IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, EXCUSE ME,

THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT WHAT

IS GENEROUS. >> SPEAKER: SO THE WHOLE PROCESS OF HOW THAT CAME ABOUT, THE COUNTY DID PUT IN A CULVERT FOR THEM AT US-1 BUT IT WASN'T ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT WAS A EMINENT DOMAIN WEEK TAKING, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY TYPE OF PROCESS. IT WAS A NEGOTIATED PROCESS.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S STILL STORM WATER TO BE REMOVED FROM WYNTON CIRCLE AND OSPREY MARSH AND THAT'S PART G OFFER OF WHAT THIS PROJECT IS ABOUT.

IT'S NOT 13 UNITS AN ACRE. IT'S 8 UNITS AN ACRE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I MISSPOKE. I APOLOGIZE.

>> SPEAKER: IT IS SMALLER. AND YOU'RE RIGHT WE HAVE SEEN A LEFT MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS BUT SO MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN DENIED OR WITHDRAWN ESPECIALLY ON STATE ROAD 16 WHEN IS WHERE WE HAVE

SEEN THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN. >> MR. .

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: I CAN THINK OF TWO THAT WERE JUST APPROVED EAST OF I-95 THAT WERE MULTI-FAMILY.

OKAY. SO THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN BEHIND YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO ASK THIS WITHOUT THE CHAIR'S PERMISSION, BUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS MATTER OF THE WATER FLOWS AND THE ACCESS AND LANDLOCKED AND ALL THAT, HE HAD HIS HAND UP.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE COULD SHED LIGHT ON THIS OR NOT.

>> SPEAKER: IT'S ONE OF THE OTHER LANDOWNERS.

I'D BE HAPPY TO LET HIM TALK IF YOU WANT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I DON'T KNOW WITHOUT THE CHAIR'S PERMISSION IF HE CAN BE RECOGNIZED OR NOT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IF HE'S ONE OF THE LANDOWNERS, I SUPPOSE

THAT'S PART OF THE APPLICANT. >> SPEAKER: I'M WAYNE FRELLIC I LIFT A 150 BELLA TERRA DRIVE. THE SWALE YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IS, HONESTLY IT'S A BIG DITCH AND IT DRAINS ALL THE WAY BEHIND THE NURSERY THAT'S JUST NORTH OF MR. RUGGIERI'S PROPERTY. IT DRAINS ALL THE WAY BEHIND THAT. IT'S A BIG DITCH AS FAR AS FROM ME TO YOU. IT'S FULL WATER A LOT.

IT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH WILDWOOD DRIVE, UNDER WIDE WOOL DRIVE AND DRAINS INTO MOULTRIE CREEK.

IT'S NOT A SWALE SO TO SPEAK. IT'S OPEN DRAINAGE.

ITES NOT WATER THAT'S GOING TO BE STAGNANT THERE IT.

MOVES. IT MOVES A LITTLE BIT TO THE

WEST AND THEN TO THE NORTH. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

>> SPEAKER: IT GOES ALL THE WAY BEHIND, AND IT DOESN'T GO INTO A WETLAND AND JUST STAGNANT.

WATER MOVES. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO IT DOES FLOW UP TO MOWRL RI CREEK. OHY IS ON I WAS CORRECT ABOUT THIS WATER FLOWING TO MOULTRIE CREEK.

ALL RIGHT. >> SPEAKER: I EVER NOT COMMENT. DENSITY THAT THIS GUY IS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE HOUSES, YEAH, BUT IT MIGHT BE A THIRD OF AN ACRE PER HOUSE, BUT 60% OF THAT LAND IS NOT -- DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A HOUSE ON IT, SO YOU ARE JUST PUTTING BLANKET COVERAGE OUT THERE. YOU MIGHT HAVE MORE SPACE WITH THESE HOUSES THAN DO WITH THE ONES THAT'S IN OSPREY COVE.

NOW, THEY CAME AND KNOCK DOWN ALL THESE WOODS BEHIND MY HOUSE.

I DIDN'T HARDLY HEAR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THEY WAS GONNA BUILD ME A FENCE, WHICH THEY NEVER DID, BUT IT'S ALL RIGHT FOR ME TO MOVE THERE AND DO THIS BUT YOU CAN'T DO THIS WITH YOUR PROPERTY. NOW, I THINK THAT'S A DOUBLE STANDARD, BUT I UNDERSTAND. I MYSELF DON'T LIKE A LOT OF GROWTH. I'M AN OLD COUNTRY BOY.

YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL ALREADY. BUT ANYHOW, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF LIKE I'M SAYING, THE GUY IS TALKING ABOUT THE DENSITY HERE AND THERE, AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHETHER HE'S AN ADVOCATE FOR THE COUNTY OR WHAT.

HE HAD A BUNCH OF MAPS AND STUFF.

BUT ANYHOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING, BUT I THINK THE LAWYER HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S A LAWYER.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: HE IS THAT. >> SPEAKER: ANYWAY, HE REPRESENTS THE BUYERS TO THE THREE PROPERTIES THAT HE'S, MR. RUGGERIO AND MYSELF. I THINK HE PRETTY WELL SAID WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT'S FUSSING ABOUT A LOT OF THE STUFF, IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME HE'S DOING MORE GOOD THAN HE IS HARM BY PUTTING THAT DEVELOPMENT THERE. HE'S ELIMINATE AN LOT OF PROBLEMS THAT EXIST NOW. HE INTENDS TO HELP ELIMINATE IT ANYHOW. AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE RAIN WE GOT. AWAY GOT 6-1/2 INCHES OF RAIN IN TWO DAYS FROM THE HURRICANE. AND SHE SAYS WE GOT 4 INCHES AND THERE'S WATER LAYING AROUND. WELL, WATER NEEDS A PLACE TO GO, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A HURRICANE OR SEVERE STORM, AND NATURALLY WE IN FLORIDA, WE GONNA GET A COUPLE DAYS A YEAR THAT WE GONNA GET 3 OR 4 INCHES OF RAIN A DAY AND THAT ALWAYS CAUSES A PROBLEM, BUT THE WYNTON CIRCLE PROBLEM NOW, EON, IAN, IT'S NOT LAYING ON THE ROAD LIKE IT WAS ANY HOR TIME, AND I THINK ANYONE HERE FROM WYNTON CIRCLE CAN VOUCH FOR THAT.

SO WHAT THEY DID, THE COUNTY DID, AND THEY TORE UP MY EASEMENT BY THE WAY AND MOW MONEY FROM ME, AND I HAD TO PUT UP -- MY MOTHER-IN-LAW IS LIVING THERE AND BELIEVE ME YOU DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO PUT UP WITH A MARY ANN TOO MUCH, BUT ANYHOW, SHE WENT IN AND OUT OF THAT ROAD, I WENT IN AND OUT OF THAT ROAD AND WE HAD QUITE A, YOU KNOW, A MESSED-UP ROAD THERE WHILE WE WAS ALLOWING THAT TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE, AND I DID NOT GET ONE PENNY FROM IT. I DID NOT EXPECT A PENNY FROM IT. I DON'T MIND HELPING SOMEBODY OUT IF I CAN. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

BUT ANYHOW, I'M THE OWNER. IF YOU WANT TO ASK ME SOMETHING

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OR HOLLER AT ME OR WHATEVER. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW LONG YOU'VE LIVED THERE.

>> SPEAKER: I'VE LIVED THIS -- I BOUGHT IT IN 2002, I BUILT MY HOME IN 2004 AND MOTHER-IN-LAW THE NEXT YEAR IN 2005.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU, SIR.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YAW. >> DR. HILSENBECK: VERY GOOD

INFORMATION. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

MR. ELKS. >> COULD YOU TELL ME AGAIN -- I'M KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING TO GO SOUTH TO GO NORTH AND HAVING TO PASS NORTH AND U-TURN TO COME BACK TO GET INTO THE PREMISES. HAVE YOU GUYS ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THAT? DID WE DISCUSS THAT?

I MISSED IT. >> SPEAKER: AND NELSON CAN ANSWER THIS SPECIFICALLY BUT I'LL TELL YOU THE ANSWER NEMSON GAVE ME. FROM A TRIP DISTRIBUTION, I WOULD THINK EVERYBODY IS GOING NORTH AND GOING TO SOWNTDZ TOWN BUT A TRIP DISTRIBUTION, WHAT'S THE NUMBER, NELSON, AS FAR AS

YOUR ANALYSIS? >> 39% GOING NORTH AND 17% IN THE EVENING GOING NORTH, SO 39% IN THE MORNING.

NOW, WE DON'T PULL HAD THING OUT, WE DON'T MAKE IT UP.

WE HAVE TO GO FOLLOW WHAT THE NORTH FLORIDA TPO MODEL IS TELLING US. SO THEY HAVE ALL THE LAND USES, ALL THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON WITHIN THE SERVICE AREA WHICH INCLUDES THE FOUR-COUNTY AREA IN THIS REGION.

SO WE PULLED THAT MODEL AND WE PUT IN THIS LAND USE IN THIS PARCEL TO SEE WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.

SO WE DON'T MAKE UP THAT NUMBER. WE DON'T MAKE UP THAT DISTRIBUTION. IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE, OF COURSE, SO IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF DISCREPANCY WITHIN THAT MODEL, WHICH ON OCCASION IT DOES, WE HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY PLANNERS TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT.

BUT THAT'S HOW WE COME UP WITH THAT DISTRIBUTION.

AND THEN THE CAPACITY ANALYSIS, WE DON'T MAKE THAT UP, EITHER.

SO WE HAVE TO USE THE HIGHWAY CAPACITY SOFTWARE, AND THERE'S A HIGHWAY CAPACITY MANUAL PROCEDURE ON HOW TO DETERMINE WHAT KIND OF CAPACITY, WHAT KIND OF DELAYS YOU ANTICIPATE BASED ON THE VOLUME THAT YOU HAVE, SO THE TRIP GENERATION PER LAND USE, WE USED THE ITE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL ON WHAT IS THE ANTICIPATED. IT MAY NOT BE EXACT.

IT'S GOING TO BE WITHIN THAT RANGE.

IT'S THE BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE.

>> BUT WE DO RECOGNIZE THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE COORS IN THAT LEFT TURN LANE TO HEAD FORTH AND THAT IS WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LENGTHING THAT LEFT TURN LANE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE U-TURN TO HEAD NORTH, AND THEN THAT IS WHY THE ADDITION OF THE LUNE BECAUSE IF YOU'VE ENCOUNTERED ONE OF THOSE OF MAKING A U-TURN FROM RACE TRACK ROAD ACROSS FROM THE COURTHOUSE OVER HERE, IT RAL HELPS BECAUSE SO OFTEN WE'RE MAKE AIG U-TURN AND WE'RE WONDERING WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO TEAR UP OUR CAR WITHOUT HITTING A CURB, AND IF THERE'S NO CURB YOU'RE GOING TO RUN OF OFF THE ON THE SHOULDER BUT WHEN IT'S PAVED THAT MAKES IT NICE.

THAT'S ONE OF THINGS WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO, IS NOT JUST LENGTHY THE LEF TURN LANE BUT ADD THE LUME WHICH DOES NOT ONLY MAKE YOU THE NICE FEATURE BUT ALSO MAKE IT SO YOU CAN MAKE THAT U-TURNING MOVEMENT FASTER BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, THE SLOWER YOUR CAR GOES, THE TIGHT TER TURNING RADIUS, BUT IT ALLOWS YOU TO GO A LITTLE FASTER WHEN THAT WILL YOU IS ADD SO THAT'S ONE OF REASONS TO MAKE THAT ADDITION.

ARGUABLY, ELVIS, IF WE'RE BEING COMPLETED HONEST, THE LEFT VERY TURN LANE, YOU WOULD COULD SAY, YEAH, THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT AND THE LUNE IS PART OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE NEED THOSE THINGS. IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THEM THERE AND WE DO ADD TRAFFIC TO THAT TURN LANE.

BUT AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC ON WATSON ROAD IS WHERE THE REAL BONUS IS, AND THAT'S THE IMPROVEMENT THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN IF THIS ROOM AND EVEN MAYBE EVEN IN THE OLD COUNTY COMMISSION AUDITORIUM, IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR SO MANY YEARS NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE, THAT THIS IMPROVEMENT, WHETHER IT'S THIS ONE OR ONE VERY SIMILAR ON WATSON ROAD, WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED, AND IT'S STILL NOT THERE.

AND I'LL SEE -- I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING WHERE SOMEONE SAYS IT'S ON THE CIP, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE NEAR FUTURE. MAYBE WITH THE 1 CENT SALES TAX AND SOME OF THAT MONEY THAT COMES ABOUT BUT AGAIN THAT'S ONF IN THE FUTURE, AND THIS IS MUCH MORE REAL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY ONE THING. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DIRECT THE BOARD HERE. BUT IF THERE WERE TO BE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IN THIS PUD WITH REGARD TO WATSON ROAD AND THE RIGHT END TURN LANE.

ARE ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN THIS PUD OR NOT IN THIS PUD AS

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DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION? >> YES, SIR.

RIGHT TURN LANE. >> MR. MATOVINA: FIRST WAL OF ALL, YOUR PROPOSING A RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE PROJECT.

IS THAT PART OF THE PUD HERE? >> EVER.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR, THAT'S IN YOUR PACT IN THE MDP MAP.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO THAT'S GOING TO BE BAIBLED MA THE PUD.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> MR. MATOVINA: THIS TURN LANE WITH THE LUNE AND THE WATSON ROAD IMPROVEMENT ARE NOT

IN THE PACKAGE, CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: IN YOUR PACKAGE

RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT. >> MR. MATOVINA: THAT'S WHAT I

NEED TO UNDERSTAND. >> SPEAKER: IF THERE WERE TO BE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD, IT WOULD -- WE AS THE APPLICANT WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU INCLUDE THIS EXHIBIT AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION. BECAUSE WE'RE WILLING TO COMMIT

TO IT. >> MR. MATOVINA: WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT ALSO INVOLVES A FINANCIAL COMMITMENT ON THE COUNTY'S SIDE, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S REALLY THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD BECAUSE YOU'RE REQUESTING IMPACT FEE CREDITS FOR MAKING THIS IMPROVEMENT, AND I'LL LOOK OVER AT LEGAL, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO I'M NOT SHOWER WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE THIS.

UNLESS YOU WANT TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS WITHOUT THE IMPACT FEE CREDIT, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT.

I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE THAT DEAL WITH THE BOARD.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. I UNDERSTAND.

WE HAVE TO PUT IN IT OUR TEXT IN THAT WAY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. AND IS IT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY THAT IF WE DO HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, THAT THE THESE WATSON ROAD IMPROVEMENT WITH THE IMPACT FEE CREDITS WOULD NOT BE PART OF

WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT I WAS GOOD I WAS GOOD CLARIFICATION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? ANYONE?

MEGAN. >> MS. PERKINS: ALWAYS ME.

MY MOTION WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND IMPROVEMENT PUD 2021-19 BELLA TERRA PUD BASED UPON NINE FINDINGINGS OF ARTD ABSENCE PROVIDED FOR IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE CONDITION THAT YOU GO

[4. PUD 2022-12 Edgewater Business Center PUD.]

CREDITS. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY MEGAN. WE HAVE A SECOND BY ELVIS.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. SO THAT MOTION PASSES 5 TO 2.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4 ON THE AGENDA WHICH IS MR. BURNETT AGAIN.

IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER 4? SEEING NONE, MR. BURNETT.

>> SPEAKER: AND MR. CHAIR, I KNOW IT'S UNUSUAL BUT IF I MIGHT, ANYONE WHO WAS HERE ON THE PRIOR ITEM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH ME AFTERWARDS, I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ANY WESTERNS CONCERNS WATSON ROAD, WYNTON CIRCLE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, WHEN THIS PROJECT IS OVER.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF BOB CHERNO AND HIS GROUP FOR EDGE WATER BUSINESS CENTER PUD.

BOB'S BACK THERE TOWARDS THE BACK.

LONG TIME CLIENT OF MINE. IF YOU KNOW BOB, YOU KNOW THAT YOU PROBABLY SMILE WHEN YOU SAY HIS NAME BECAUSE HE'S HE'S JUST ONE OF THOSE GUYS HE'S ALWAYS LIGHTHEARTED AND HAVING A GOOD TIME AND JUST A PLEASURE TO BE AROUND.

STATE ROAD 16 AT RACE TRACK ROAD IS WHERE WE'RE LOCATED.

THIS IS IN THAT REGION WHERE OUT 16 YOU'VE GOT TO COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS, UTILITY -- NOT YOU'LL, SORRY -- THE COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT. PAST THERE YOU GET TO RACE TRACK ROAD. THIS IS THE SITE.

THE SITE AS I'LL SHOW YOU IN A MOMENT ORIGINALLY INCLUDED THIS POND AREA THAT'S JUST NOT NORTH OF IT, AND IT IS ZONED AS A PUD FOR 19 SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, AND THAT POND WAS CONTEMPLATED THAT IT WOULD BE PAFORTD THE RECREATION SPACE FOR -- PART OF THE RECREATION SPACE WITH A PATH GOING AROUND AND IT THAT KIND OF THING FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PUD ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IT'S MIXED USE. YOU CAN SEE THE PUD HERE NOW.

YOU CAN SEE THE POND ON THE PUD, AND THAT'S THAT SAME POND I WAS

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THERE'S THE MDP MAP AND YOU CAN LOOSELY SEE WHERE THE PROPERTY WAS SPLIT IN TWO. I DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THAT HERE, BUT THERE WAS A DISPUTE BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNERS WHEN THIS WAS BEING ACQUIRED, AND ULTIMATELY PROPERTY WAS SEPARATED SO YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT OWNERSHIPS.

MY CLIENT AND WHAT YOU ARE SEEING TODAY IS ONLY RELATED TO WHAT'S WITHIN THE BLUE. THE DISPUTE OVER OWNERSHIP HAS BEEN LONG RESOLVED, BUT NOW MY CLIENT'S GOT THE PROPERTY, FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO WITH IT, AND SO WE'RE REZONING THIS PORTION IN BLUE ON THE EXISTING PUD THAT'S BEEN THERE.

WE'VE GOT A SURVEY FOR IT CLEARLY OUTLINING THAT SAME SHAPE. THE PROJECT, THIS IS A LOOK AT WHAT THE PROJECT LOOKS LIKE. AGAIN, THAT SAME SHAPE OF OUR PROJECT BOUNDARY TAKING TAK. TAKING A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT'S THERE, YOU WOULD SEE FOURPLEXE SPACE WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS. YOU SEE A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY IN THE SOUTHEAST, GOT SOME INCOMPATIBILITY BOWFORTS LEFT SIDE WHERE THE BUFFER IS.

THAT'S ALONG RACE TRACK ROAD. THAT'S ROAD FRONTAGE.

ON THE RIGHT SIDE. ON THE NORTH PART IS OPEN SPACE.

TO THE SOUTH IS WET LDZ IT LOOKS LIKE.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LARGE WETLAND CONSERVATION AREA DRAWN IN ON THE MDP. BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS WHERE THE 19 HOUSES OR 19 LOTS WOULD HAVE BEEN CREATED, IS WHERE NOW YOU HAVE THE FOUR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND THE PARKING AREA. 3.

AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP, YOU CAN SEE SORT OF TAKING OUR SITE PLAN AND LAYERING IT NOT ZONING MAP, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE OUR PROJECT IS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING AND ALSO DOING THAT ON AN AERIAL. JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE CLOSEST PROPERTY ON THE EAST IS THE ADULT REHABILITATION CENTER THAT'S ON STATE ROAD 16 AND ITS PROPERTY GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ABOUT WHERE OUR POND IS, MIDSECTION OF OUR POND.

THAT ADULT FACILITY, I THINK IT'S ALCOHOL AND DRUG REHABILITATION FACILITY, GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH INTO THAT PROPERTY. AND THEN TO THE NORTH OF US IS THE POND. TO THE NORTH OF THE POND IS PROPERTY SLATED AS COMMERCIAL ZONING, SLATED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. PRESUMABLY, SINCE THE POND IS OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER THAT HAS COMMERCIAL THERE, THAT HE WOULD COME BACK AT SOME POINT IN TIME AND MAKE THAT PART OF SHIITES OR PERHAPS LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS AND STILL DEVELOP THAT SITE NOW AS RETENTION. THAT'S SORT OF IT IN A NUTSHELL.

WITH THAT I'LL STOP TALKING. I PROBABLY TOOK ENOUGH OF YOUR TIME ON THE LAST ITEM AND SAY I'M HERE AND MY CLIENT IS HERE AS WELL IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THE SECOND TO THE LAST PAGE OF YOUR PACKET SHOWS THE MDP MAP OF THE SINGLE -- PRIOR SINGLE FAMILY IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN JUST SEEING WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: RICHARD. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO, DOUG, COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHY, UNLESS IT'S REALLY'S PERSON MATTER ARE ON WHATEVER, WHY YOUR CLIENT GO THROUGH WITH THE 19 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THAT PROPERTY.

>> SPEAKER: YOU HAD A CHANGE IN THE OWNERSHIP INTEREST.

>> MR. . >> DR. HILSENBECK: EVEN WITHOUT THE POND, YOU COULD STILL PUT THE HOMES IN THERE, COULDN'T YOU? ON THE PLAN YOU SHOWED WITH THE 19 LOTS AND HOMES, YOU SHOWED LOTS, THE POND WAS NOT INCLUDED.

SOME OF THE LOTS BACK RIGHT UP TO THAT POND.

>> SPEAKER: THE LAND AROUND THE POND WAS PART OF THE ACTIVE

RECREATION, SO -- >> DR. HILSENBECK: RIGHT.

BUT YOU NEEDED TO HAVE THAT IN ORDER THE BUILD THE 19 HOMES? YOU HAD TO HAVE THE ACTIVE RECREATION COMPONENT THERE OF THE POND? I'M JUST TRYING CLARIFY THAT.

I'M NOT AGAINST THIS. I'M JUST TRYING TO ASK SOME

QUESTIONS. >> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO TAKE A POSITION ON IT FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT THAT BINDS MY CLIENT BECAUSE IF THIS DOESN'T GO THROUGH AND MY CLIENT IS STUCK WITH BUILDINGS 19 LOTS, MY CLIENT WANTS TO BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD AND STILL BUILD 19 LOTS, SO WHETHER OR NOT THE OPEN SPACE FROM THEIR SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION IS STILL PART OF THE OVERALL ZONING OF THE PROJECT, IT PUTS THEM IN A PICKLE.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, DR. HILSENBECK.

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU'VE GOT ALL THE WETLANDS TO THE SOUTH THAT YOU'RE PRESERVING WITH THIS, WHICH I APPLAUD, BY THE WAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

SO, I MEAN, YOU CAN PUTTED A TRAIL THROUGH THAT.

I JUST WONDERED ABOUT THAT. DO YOU HAVE ESTIMATES ON HOW MUCH MORE TRAFFIC COMMERCIAL WOULD GENERATE? BECAUSE THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS THERE TO THE SOUTH AND THE WEST, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, WHATEVER, AND I JUST WONDER, THE 19 HOMES VERSUS THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, HOW MUCH GREATER THE, OFCOURSE, TRA INCREASE MIGHT BE.

-- HOW MUCH GREATER THE TRAFFIC INCREASE MIGHT BE.

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT NOW RACE TRACK ROAD WAS E UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT THE COUNTY STANDARD AND SO PAWFORT OUR PUD, IT'S WRITTEN IN OUR PUD THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO WHATEVER THE COUNTY STAFF FROM THEIR THEIR NORMAL PROCESS WOULD REQUIRE AS OUR CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL FOR ACCESS TO THE SITE, SO IT IS GOING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENT TO RACE TRACK ROAD.

IF YOU LOOK AT RACE TRACK ROAD RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT THE TYPICAL COUNTY STANDARD OF A ROADWAY. HAINCHTS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAVE BEEN DOWN THAT.

>> SPEAKER: IT'S LESS THAN WANT SON FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT HNCHTS YEP. GOOD POINT.

SO I ALSO READ IN THE APPLICATION THERE'S NO RIGHT-HAND TURN LANE COMING OFF OF, DEDICATED RIGHT-HAND TURN LANE COMING YOU OF A STATE ROAD 16 TO RACE TRACK ROAD.

YOU'RE NOT GOING PROVIDE ONE EVEN THOUGH THIS IS GOING TO BE

COMMERCIAL WITH NO TRAFFIC. >> SPEAKER: I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT'S TRIPPED TONIGHT ARE.

IT HAD GOES BACK TO WHETHER THAT IS A SITE-RELATED IMPROVEMENT% WHEN YOU PULL YOUR CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND THEN THE LAST THING I HAVE IS I THINK I READ IN THERE THAT YOU WANT TO REDUCE THE BUFFER ON THE WEST SIDE FROM 30 FEET TO 20 FEET. IS THAT TRUE? OR DID I READ THAT INCREDIBLE? INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT CORRECTLY. THAT BUFFER ON THE LEFT SIDE

OVER TOWARD THOSE HOMES. >> SPEAKER: ACTUALLY IT WAS NORTH AND SOUTH. WE HAVE THE INCOMPATIBILITY BUFFER ON THE EAST AND WEST. THE NORTH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NORTH, I GUESS THE QUESTION, YOU KIND OF SCRATCH YOUR HEAD IS WHAT DO WOO BUFFER OURSELVES FROM THE POND?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION.

I THOUGHT ON THE WEST SIDE YOU WERE TRYING TO REDUCE IT FROM

30. >> SPEAKER: AND THE ONE ON THE SOUTH WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE PRESERVED WETLAND.

LET ME LOOK. YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS --

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I THOUGHT THAT WAS WOWRCH WAIVERS.

MAYBE THERESA CAN HELP WITH THAT.

I ABOUT THE SHE KNOWS THE ANSWER, KNOWING HER.

>> TERESA BISHOP: THEY HAVE A REQUEST FOR AN INCOMPATIBILITY BUFFER WAIVER. SPINCHTS THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY

NORTH AND SOUTH. >> TERESA BISHOP: ON THE EAST AND WEST. THIS IS FROM THE STAFF REPORT IN THE WAIVER REQUEST. ON THE EAST AND WEST BOUNDARY OF THE SITE, A 20-FOOT TYPE B BUFFER WILL BE PROVIDED AS DEPICTED ON THE MDP MAP. A TWIEFORT LDS CORRECTION 6 FNT ROCKSREAU 4 IS SOUGHT NOT TO HAVE THE INCOMPATIBILITY BUFFER IMPOSED LONG THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN BOUNDARIES THE SITE.

TTD NORTH OF THE SITE IS AN EXISTING RETENTION POND THAT IS

BINTDZ THE PARCEL ID. >> SPEAKER: YES, OUR WAIVER IS ONLY FOR THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, NOT TO THE EAST AND ITS

WEST. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO THERE IS NOTHING IN THAT -- I'D TO HAVE GET MY PHONE OUT AND LOOK AT IT -- THAT SAID YOU'RE GOING ON REDUCE ONE THOUGH BUFFERS FROM 30 TO 20? NO? OKAY. IF THAT'S THE CASE, I STAND

CORRECTED. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS.

RICHARD DIAZ. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

RICHARD DIAZ. YOU.

REPRESENT CARD HOLDING AND ZEUS 3.

WE OWN THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH WHERE THE POND IS, AND WE ALSO OWN TO THE WEST WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE.

AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE COMPANY.

THE REASON I CAME, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS FENCING BETWEEN THEIR PROJECT AND THE EXISTING POND BECAUSE I FOUND THAT OVER THE TIME THAT I'VE OWNED IT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ISSUES WITH PEOPLE COMING INTO THE POND AND DOING THINGS AT THE PROPERTY AND ALSO THE SAFETY FACTOR THAT COMES INTO PLAY WITH WITH.

WITH HIS PROJECT HE IS PROJECTING A SIDEWALK SO THER WILL BE PEOPLE ATTEMPTING TO CROSS OVER TO THE OTHER PROPERTY, AND THAT POSES A LIABILITY TO OUR PROPERTY, AND SO THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN I SEEM TO HAVE WITH THE PROJECT,

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WHAT ELSE CAN I TELL YOU? OTHER THAN THAT, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. I THINK IT'S GOOD.

OH. AND ALSO, AS THEY EXTEND THE WATER AND SEWER MINE LINE MAINS FROM 16, THEIR PROPOSING TO RESISTANT ALONG RACE TRACK ROAD. IN DOING SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE DIANN DUTCH OR THE DRAINAGE ON THE PROPERTY. THAT MANY IMPEDE IN TERM OF MY EGRESSES ONTO THIS PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN IT ALSO FOR FUTURE USE. THEY ORIGINALLY DID THE PUD INCORPORATING THE POND WHICH WAS ORIGINALY PART OF THE COMMERCIAL ZONED PROPERTY WHICH IS WHERE WE HAD A DISPUTE.

MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, WE WON'T GET INTO THAT, NOW THE POND IS VON CONVOLUTED WITH THE OLD PREVIOUS 19 HOMES THAT YOU REFERRED TO, SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT, AND I'VE SPOKEN TO TERESA, ONE OF THE BUILD OFFICIALS ABOUT THIS, AND THEY SAID THAT WHEN WE GET READY TO DO SOMETHING ON THE NORTHERN POND PROPERTY, WE'LL CORRECT THAT MATTER AND FIGURE THAT OUT.

BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WENT ON THAT WE HAD TO FIX.

SO CONCERNS, ACCESS FROM RACE TRACK ROAD, IF WE COULD COORDINATE WITH THEM REGARDING EASEMENTS AND FUTURE TIE-INS WHILE THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, FENCING FOR SAFETY REASONS BECAUSE OF THE POND, AND LIGHTING FOR THE NEIGHBORS JUST TO BE CONSIDERATE DURING AFTER HOURS.

THAT'S THE ONLY OBJECTIONS I HAVE.

OR QUESTIONS I HAVE. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: MR. MCANARNEY.

>> SPEAKER: JOE MSK NEARCH 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE, ST. JOHNS.

SO I WOULD STATE THE BASICS HERE.

THIS WAS A RESIDENTIAL PUD AND IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT NOW SEEKS TO BECOME A COMMERCIAL PUD IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S A BASIC DISCONNECT HERES HAPPENING. AND, OF COURSE, AS YOU TURN IMMEDIATELY AFTER YOU OF STATE ROUTE 16, MR. BURNETT DID SHOW THIS, SHOWS THE PROPERTY. I'VE ALSO TAKEN SOME PICTURES HERE. THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE.

THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE, A VERY RURAL COMMUNITY WITH SWALES.

THERE IS A HOUSE HERE AND HOUSES VIRTUALLY ACROSS THE STREET.

THERE WERE SOME REVIEW COMMENTS THAT THE STAFF REPORTED ON THAT ARE IN YOUR REVIEW PACKET, RESIDENT CONCERNS INCLUDED THE ILLUMINATED SIGN THAT WOULD BE PRESENT WITH A COMMERCIAL PUD THAT'S NOT PRESENT WITH RESIDENTIAL.

CERTAINLY SUDDENLY YOU HAVE NON-RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC, ANDLESS CURRENTLY NO RIGHT LANE, NO RIGHT TURN LANE FROM STATE ROUTE 16, SO THE KIND OF BUSINESS TRAFFIC THAT'S GENERATED HAS THAT. THIS IS VERY SMALL.

I'M SORRY FOR THE SIZE OF THAT, BUT THE STAFF CONCERN ITSELF WAS, AND THIS IS FROM THE STAFF ITSELF, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RESIDENCES LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF RACE TRACK ROAD AND DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT MAY BE IMPACTED BY TRAFFIC AND/OR NOISE. THAT COMES FROM YOUR STAFF.

SO I WOULD JUST REPORT THAT, AND I THINK WHAT I HEARD WAS, TODAY THAT IT COULD BE A RESIDENTIAL PUD.

I MEAN, A DENIAL OF A COMMERCIAL PUD REALLY DOES NOT INCONVENIENCE THIS OWNER FROM DOING NOTHING.

THEY HAVE A PLAN IN HAND AND CAN PROCEED.

IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL PUD IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO OFFER SOME REBUTTAL?

>> SPEAKER: JUST UNBELIEVABLE I'LL ADDRESS THE ISSUE RELATED TO THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER. THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE

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HIS RENTAL PROPERTIES NOW THAT HE OBVIOUSLY HAD BOUGHT THEM BECAUSE THEY CONNECT TO OR ARE ADJACENT TO HIS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT'S GOT COMMERCIAL ZONING.

THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, THOUGH, THAT HE DID RAISE WAS HIS CONCERN THAT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER WHEN WE MAKE IMPROVEMENT TO RACE TRACK ROAD FOR ACCESS COMING DOWN RACE TRACK ROAD OFF OF 16 TO OUR SITE, SOMEHOW THAT CAUSES INTERRUPTION OF HIS ACCESS TO HIS PROPERTY.

DEVELOPMENT GOES ON EVERY DAY IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND THE COUNTY IS WELL VERSED, THE COUNTY'S DEPARTMENT, BUILDING DEPARTMENT, CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, YOU HAVE TO PLAN FOR MAKING IMPROVEMENTS IN THE COUNTY ROADWAY, AND MASTER THAT INVOLVES EVERYTHING -- PART OF THAT INVOLVES EVERYTHING DOWN TO THE FLAG PEOPLE OUT THERE FLAGGING DOWN TRAFFIC AND MAKING SURE AND YOU HAVE TO STATE IN YOUR PLAN HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE OWNERS OR RESIDENTS ALONG THAT WAY TO MAKE SURE THEIR ACCESS IS INTERRUPTED OR TO THE EXTENT IT'S INTERRUPTED IT'S VERY TEMPORARY IN NATURE IN INTRUMS. THAT'S A NORMAL. IN INTERRUPTIONS.

THAT'S A NORMAL PROCESS. IT SHOULDN'T BE ANYTHING THAT HE WOULD BE UNIQUELY INTERFERED WITH OR HIS PROPERTY OWNER'S INTEREST RELATED TO IT. HIS ISSUE RELATED TO A FENCE.

I'VE GOT TO TALK TO MY CLIENT RELATED TO A FENCE.

IT SEEMS LIKE IF HE'S WANTING TO FENCE HIS PROPERTY OR HAVE A FENCE AROUND HIS PROPERTY ON HIS POND, BUT I'LL TALK TO MY CLIENT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN COMMIT TO FENCING ON THAT NORTH SIDE AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BETWEEN NOW AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYONE HAS STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE ISSUES. I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT AND, OF COURSE, BOB CHERN OW IS HERE THAT CAN COMMENT AS WELL IF YOU

NEED TO HEAR FROM HIM. >> MR. MATOVINA: RICHARD.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WELL, I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE FENCE.

FROM MR. DIAZ'S PRESENTATION, THAT JUST POPPED IN MY MIND.

WOULD A FENCE ALLEVIATE CONCERNS FOR LIABILITY FROM THE POND AND COULD YOU PUT A 6-FOOT FENCE OR WHATEVER ALONG YOUR NORTHERN BOUNDARY? BUT AS YOU SAID, YOU JUST TOLD USES YOU HAVE TO SPEAK TO YOUR CLIENT ABOUT THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REALLY NECESSARY OR NOT, BUT IF I WAS GOING TO FACE SOME LIABILITY, I'D PROBABLY TRY TO DO EVERYTHING I COULD TO ALLEVIATE THAT. SO THAT'S JUST A QUESTION I HAVE. AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IS ACTUALLY FOR STAFF. THIS JUST SEEMED UNUSUAL TO ME, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D SEEN IT IN OTHER ITEMS, BUT Y'ALL WENT OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY SPOKE TO AND INTERVIEWED NEIGHBORS ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT PREVIOUSLY.

IS THAT A NEW THING Y'ALL ARE GOING TO DO OR WHAT HAPPENED OUT THERE? I'M JUST CURIOUS.

I KNOW WE GET LETTERS AND ALL THAT, BUT SEEMED LIKE YOU WERE ON-SITE TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS, SO JUST CURIOUS.

>> EDWARD, ALWAYS VIRTUE, PLANNER FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. RICHARD DIAZ CALLED ME AND SCHEDULED A MEETING TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT HIS CONCERNS AS THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH OF IT.

THAT'S WHAT WAS IN THE CORRESPONDENCE, IS JUST THE TALKING POINTS OF WHAT CAME UP IN THAT CONVERSATION.

>> DR. HILSENBECK:, SO IT WAS A MEETING WITH HIM AND NOT THE NEIGHBORS. IT SEEMED TO ME IT SOUNDED LIKE INTERVIEWING INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORS.

BUT WHAT HE SAID IS CONSIST WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

>> RIGHT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: GOT YOU.

OKAY. GOOD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SIR, THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER.

DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DO NOT.

>> DR. MCCORMICK: >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE'RE BACK INTO THE

[5. Affordable Housing Impact Fee Deferral. ]

>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 2022-12 EDGEWATER BUSINESS CENTER PUD BASED UPON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE'VE GOY A MOTION BY MEGAN.

IS THERE A SECOND? WHO DID THE SECOND?

>> HENRY SECONDED IT HAD. >> MR. MATOVINA: UH THANK YOU, HENRY. IS THEE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES 7 TO ZO.

AT THIS POINT I AM GOING TO DECLARE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ITEM NUMBER 5 AND STEP DOWN FROM A VOTING ROLE.

I MAY WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN CONVERSATION JUST SO EVERYONE

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>> THANK YOU. BEVERLY PHRASE YES, SIR, GROWTH MANAGEMENT. THIS IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 FOR AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IMPACT FEE DEFERRAL.

SO THIS IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE.

IT DOES REVISE SECTION 37, WHICH IS EXHIBIT B OF OUR ON THE OTHER HAND TO PROVIDE CRITERIA AND PROCEDURE FOR THE ALLOWANCE OF IMPACT FEE DEFERRAL FOR QUALIFYING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS. CURRENTLY ONLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ARE PROVIDED A DEFERRED PAYMENTS OPTION FOR IMPACT FEES. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DIRECTED GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES STAFF TO COLLABORATE ON DRAFTING THIS AMENDMENT.

SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND. LAST MONTH HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES STAFF PRESENTED A REQUEST TO THE BOARD FROM ABILITY HOUSING FOR ASSISTANCE TO BRIDGE THE PROJECTED FINANCIAL GAP FOR THE VILLAGES OF WEST AUGUSTINE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT. THE VILLAGES OF WEST AUGUSTINE IS PLANNED AS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH 92 UNITS BE THAT GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE TO VERY LOW AND LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS EARN 33% TO 60% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.

THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN IN WORKS FOR ALTERNATIVELY ZELLE YEARS IN BACK IN 2019 THE BOARD APPROVED A COUNTY MATCH OF $460,000, WHICH IS A 1.8% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST TOWARDS THE FLORIDA HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION'S LOW INCOME TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IN SUPPORT HAVE THIS PROJECT.

AFTER THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS OF APPLYING FOR THE PROGRAM, THE VILLAGES OF ST. AUGUSTINE PROJECT WAS APPROVED BY THE FHFC IN SPRING OF 2022. BUT DUE TO A DE INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND, OF COURSE, INTERESTS RATES, THE ABILITY HOUSING REPORTS THAT THE FUNDING SECURED SIN SUFFICIENT TO COVER CURRENT DEVELOPMENT COSTS.

THE REQUEST FROM ABILITY HOUSING PROPOSES AN IMPACT FEE DEFERRAL POSSIBLY A WAIVER AS A MEANS TO ADDRESS THE CURRENTLY SHORTAGE.

THE ESTIMATED TOTAL IMPACT FEES FOR 92 DWELLING UNITS PROJECT SUCH AS THIS IS APPROXIMATELY $1.2 MILLION.

SO IN SUMMARY OF THIS AMENDMENT, SECTION 3707 HAS BEEN REVISED.

WE ADD A SUBSECTION C DWROWT LINE THE DEFERRAL PROGRAM FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS WITH 100% OF THE UNITS FOR LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. ELGIE INTLILT BY THE TIME TO MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING UNITS UNDER CENTRAL OWNERSHIP FOR RENT TO HOUSEHOLDS EARNING 60% OR LESS AMI.

IT DOESN'T INCLUDE A REQUIREMENT TO RECORD DEED RESTRICTIONS TO ENCUMBER THE PROPERTY TO LIMIT THE RENTAL AMOUNT FOR A MINIMUM OF 30 YEARS. SO REALLY A LONG-TERM AFFORDABLE PROJECT. SO THE IMPACT FEES THAT ARE PART OF THIS DEFERRAL ARE FOR THE ROADS, BUILDINGS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE RESCUE AND PARKS.

THE PROGRAM DOES NOT INCLUDE DEFERRAL FOR SCHOOL IMPACT FEES.

THOSE HAVE TO BE AUTHORIZED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD.

DEFERRED FEES ARE LIMITED TO 100 UNITS, AND AS WELL AS 3% OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S RESIDENTIAL IMPACT FEE COLLECTION.

IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEES.

THESE CEILINGS WERE INCLUDED IN THIS PROPOSAL TO PROVIDE A FINANCIAL LIMIT OF FEES ADMINISTRATIVELY DEFERRED PER YEAR. SO A COPY OF A DRAFT AGREEMENT IS ALSO IN YOUR PACKET. THAT WAS CRAFTED TO DOCUMENT THE APPLICANT'S ACCEPTANCE OF CONDITIONS OF THE DEFERRAL.

IT INCLUDES THE ASSESSMENT OF IMPACT FEES AT THE TIME OF THE PERMITTING, INTEREST TO BE PAID ON THE DEFERRAL AMOUNT, THE LENGTH OF DEFERRAL, PAYMENT DATE, AS WELL AS ENFORCEMENT OF THE AGREEMENT AND PROHIBITED MODIFICATIONS.

A FEW CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE A GOOD DISCUSSION, OF COURSE, IS THE INTEREST RATE.

IT IS BASED ON THE NATIONAL ANNUAL AVERAGE, CCI, THE CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX AS PUBLISHED BY THE ENDURING NEWS RECORD THAT IS USED IN OTHER WORKFORCE HOUSING AND OTHER IMPACT FEE AGREEMENTS. BUT IT DOES -- WE DID INCLUDE A CAP OF 4%, OF COURSE, CURRENTLY THAT CCI IS OVER 8% THAT WE LOOKED AT OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF POSSIBLY WHERE A CAP COULD BE. AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THE LIMITS THAT ARE CURRENTLY AT 100 UNITS AND 3% HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY BEING INCREASED. WE KIND OF STARTED WITH THE LOWEST LEVEL TO KIND OF START THE PROGRAM OFF TO SEE HOW IT IS IMPLEMENTED. AND, OF COURSE, ANY REQUEST

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ALSO, WE LOOKED AT REMOVING THE LETTER OF CREDIT REQUIREMENT AND INCLUDE MAYBE SOME OTHER MORE FLEXIBLE OPTIONS FOR REPAYMENT ASSURANCE. IN RECENTLY CONVERSATIONS WITH ABILITY HOUSING AND HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES STAFF, WE DECIDED THAT MAYBE THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT CUMBERSOME FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT. BASED ON THEIR -- JUST THEIR OPERATING MECHANISM. SO STAFF DOES REQUEST THIS AGENCY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AS WRITTEN OR WITH ANY SUGGESTED REVISIONS, FINDING THE MODIFICATIONS CONSIST WITH FLORIDA COMPLAW THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE AGENCY'S RECOMMENDATIONS, BE WILL PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON NOVEMBEE WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE THIS WORD AND FORWARD AND MEET THE TIMELINE FOR ABILITY HOUSING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ON THIS OPPORTUNITY. SO I HAVE STAFF HERE TODAY THAT CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES ASPECT OR AS WELL AS IMPACT FEES, AND I'M HAPPY TO

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. >> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> DR. HILSENBECK: NO.

>> MS. PERKINS: DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MR. MATOVINA: NO PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD A CLICK. DID SOMEBODY CLICK?

>> MS. PERKINS: NO. ALL RIGHT.

THEN WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF I SHOULD MOVE TO APPROVE OR TO APPROVE WITH REVISIONS.

I DON'T BELIEVE WE MADE ANY REVISIONS.

SHOULD I READ THE FIRST ONE? OR READ THE SECOND ONE, APPROVE WITH REVISIONS? I DON'T KNOW.

>> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE CON CONSERVATION EASEMENT CENSUS OF THE BOARD IS. IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING THAT'S WANT TO TALK ABOUT CHANGING, IS NOW IS THE TIME.

IF NOT, THEN I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THAT YOU CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITHOUT ANY CHANGES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IF I MAY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: PLEASE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED, THE PROPOSAL SUGGESTS THAT TO SECURE THE AMOUNT OF THE IMPACT FEES THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD POST A LETTER OF CREDIT. THAT'S THE SAME AS PAYING THE FEES. THEY MAY AS WELL JUST PAY THE FEES BECAUSE A BANK IS NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM THAT LETTER OF CREDIT WITHOUT THEM PUTTING THAT AMENDMENT MONEY IN THE BANK TO -- AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE BANK TO SECURE THE LINE OF CREDIT. AND I CAN GO INTO DETAILS OF LETTERS OF CREDIT BUT THEY'RE NOT AS EASY TO GET AS ONE MIGHT THINK. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS FOR THE ALTERNATE THOUGH. PERHAPS WE CAN HEAR FROM BEVERLY ON WHAT THE ALTERNATE IS. I ASSUME IT'S A MORTGAGE ON THE

PROPERTY. >> SPEAKER: CORRECT.

WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AND WE THOUGHT A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY WOULD SATISFY THAT ASSURANCE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO IN LIEU OF A LETTER OF CREDIT, YOU PLACE AA

LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF WAIVING THAFLT THAF CREDIT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

SO THAT'S JUST APPROVING WITHOUT ANY REVISIONS, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT WAS IN HER PRESENTATION, IT WAS IN THE STAFF ITEM. AS PART OF IT?

>> MR. MATOVINA: ACTUALLY THE DRAFT THAT WAS SENT TO US AS A

LETTER OF CREDIT IN IT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: IN IT, BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO WAIVE THAT AND THAT WAS IN HER PRESENTATION. SHOULD I SAY APPROVED WITH REVISIONS IN TERMS OF REMOVING THE LETTER OF CREDIT?

>> MR. MATOVINA: YES. >> YES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. IS THERE MORE DISCUSSION?

>> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE EMISSION FOR APPROVAL.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PETER.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAVEN'T READ IT YET, THOUGH.

[LAUGHTER] >> MS. PERKINS: I'M JUST

READY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: ALL RIGHT.

I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE WITH REVISIONS.

I MOVE WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE EXHIBIT B, SECTION 37, WITH THE REVISION OF REMOVING THE OR WAIVING THE LETTER OF CREDIT, FOUNDING THE

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COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> MS. PERKINS: SECOND

PEENCHT. >> MS. PERKINS: WE NOW HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND SECOND FROM MR. WILSON.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? THE IS EVERYBODY READY TO VOTE.

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>> MR. MATOVINA: DO YOU WANT TO PUSH YOURS?

THAT MOTION PASSES. >> MS. PERKINS: THAT MOTION

PASSES. >> MR. MATOVINA: FINISH OUT

THE MEETING. >> MS. PERKINS: ALL

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