Oct 20, 2022 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order ]

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>> MR. MATOVINA: I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK IS THAT WE ALL STAND AND FIRST OBSERVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE IN MEMORY OF COMMISSIONER PAUL WALDRON WHO SO FAITHFULLY SERVED THIS COMMUNITY, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. SO PLEASE STAND AND OBSERVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> MR. MATOVINA: MS. PERKINS DO YOU WANT TO READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT, PLEASE.

>> MS. PERKINS: THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENT OF FLORIDA LAW.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE DOUGH BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER.

ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY CHAMBERLAIN WHICH IS THREE MINUTES.

SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.

IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.

ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD.

THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION.

CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

SO AT THIS TIME WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A TIME OF PUBLIC COMMENT IF ANYBODY HAS NIP NOW, FOR EACH ITEM THERE WILL BE A TIME TO

[1. PZA recommendation of Mr. Vernon Hawley Smith III. ]

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> MS. PERKINS: WE DO NOT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AT THIS POINT IN TIME. ALREADY.

WE'LL MOVE TO THE REGULAR AGENDA AND MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 1.

MS. BISHOP. >> TERESA BISHOP: WELL, MR. MATOVINA. I WILL TRACY THAT.

FOR THE RECORD CHRISTINE VALLIERE SENIOR ASSISTANT ATTORNEY. FOR YOUR FIRST OCTOBER MEETING YOU CONSIDERED CANDIDATES TO REPLACE VACANCIES ON THE AGENCYG WE FOUND THAT ONE OF THE P RMED APPLICANTS, MR. HAWLEY SMITH, ALSO SERVES ON THE LAMP BOARD. THERE IS A STATE DUAL OFFICE HOLDING PROHIBITION BIGS AS WELL AS A COUNTY POLICY ADDRESSING DUAL, THE STATE DUAL OFFICE HOLDINGS PROHIBITION DOES NOT APPLY TO MEMBERS WHO SERVE ON A PURELY ADVISORY BOARD.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FINAL DECISIONS.

THAT WOULD NOT BE PASSED BUT THE LAM BOARD DOES FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY SO IT WOULD NOT AB I STATE VIOLATION FOR MR. HAWLEY TO SERVE ON THE PZA. HOWEVER, THE COUNTY HAS A STRICTER POLICY, AND IN ORDER TO CSH FOR AN EXISTING APPOINTEE TO SERVE ON ANOTHER BOARD, ONE OF TWO THINGS HAS TO HAPPEN.

EITHER THEY HAVE TO RESIGN THEIR FIRST APPOINTMENT OR REQUEST DUAL STATUS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS. WE'RE HERE TO DISCLOSE THAT MR. HAWLEY SERVES ON THE LAMP BOARD, THAT THERE IS A DUAL

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>> MR. MATOVINA: AND DOES HE WANT TO BE ON TWO BOARDS?

>> HE WAS INDICATED HE WOULD LIKE TO SERVE ON BOTH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK, I SEE YOU IN THE QUEUE. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.

I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER.

>> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND THEN PERHAPS NOMINATE SOMEBODY IF THAT'S ROW.

YAT. >> MR. MATOVINA: WHAT IS YOUR PROCEDURE HERE? ARE WE RENOMINATING?

ARE WE STARTING OVER? >> YOU CAN RENOMINATE OR CONFIRM THE NOMINATION. THAT CAN BE ONE AND THE SAME.

MR. HAWLEY HAD BEEN CAN BE NOMINATED AGAIN WITH THIS DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION AND ADDITIONAL JUSTIFICATION FOR APPOINTING HIM TO A SECOND BOARD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO DR. HILSENBECK, YOU HAVE THE

FLOOR. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

CONCERNING THIS ITEM, I THINK IT WAS INCUMBENT UPON MR. SMITH TO DISCLOSE THAT HE WAS ON THE LAND ORDER THAT'S THE LAND MANAGEMENT AND PROGRAM BOARD OF COUNTY. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED IN HIS MEMBERSHIP APPLICATION. I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THAT APPLICATION, AND WHAT HAPPENED IS HE APPARENTLY CROSSED OUT THE DATE THAT HE APPLIED FOR LAMP AND SUBMITTED THAT APPLICATION AND ON THAT IT STATED HIS FIRST CHIS TO SERVE ON A BOARD IN THIS COUNTY WAS TO BE ON THE LAMP BOARD.

HIS SECOND CHOICE WAS TO BE ON THE PZA.

WELL, HE'S ON THE LAMP BOARD SO HE GOT HIS FIRST CHOICE.

SO I AM RELUCTANT TO REWARD HIM WITH ANOTHER CHOICE.

IN FACT, I'LL JUST HAVE TO RELATE THIS STORY TO YOU.

AFTER I WAS APPOINTED TO THIS BOARD AND THE LAMP BOARD WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THE LAMP PROGRAM WAS REVIDE, I SHOULD SAY, I ASKED TWO, THREE OF THE COMMISSIONERS ACTUALLY IF I COULD BE ON THE LAMP BOARD, AND I WAS TOLD -- DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE FROM ONE OF THEM, BUT ON THE OTHER TWO I WAS TOLD, NO, I CANNOT BE APPOINTED TO SERVE ON BOTH, SO I DROPPED THE MATTER AND I'M CONTENT TO BE ON THIS BOARD. SO I DON'T KNOW MR. HAWLEY SMITH, BUT I DO KNOW I HAVE A GOOD FRIEND, J.B. MILLER.

HE SERVES ON THE LAMP BOARD AND I RAN INTO HIM AT PUBLIX THE OTHER DAY AND HE SAID HE ENJOYS SERVING WITH MR. SMITH ON THE LAMP BOARD SO I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO HAWLEY SMITH PERSONALLY, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT THIS BODY RECOMMEND HIM TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WHEN HE'S ALREADY ON THE LAMP BOARD, AND THAT WAS HIS FIRST CHOICE ON HIS APPLICATION. SO THAT'S MY COMMENT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: CHRISTINE, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT HERE? SHOULD I ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? DO WE WANT MR. SMITH TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK? I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF HE'S HERE.

I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM. I KNOW THIS IS A BUSINESS I'M SO WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> TYPICALLY YOU HAVE YOU PUBLIC COMMENT FOR APPOINTMENTS.

IF YOU FEEL THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION WOULD

I OPEN IT TO THE FLOOR. >> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >>

>> SPEAKER: STATE YOUR NAME JOE-INCOME MANNERY 100 BLACKBERRY LANE IN ST. JOHNS, AND AS MR. HYMNALS SAYS, THERE'S NOTHING PERSONAL HERE WHATSOEVE. MR. SMITH IS SERVING WELL ON THE LAMP BOARD IS GREAT. MY CONCERN IS THAT THE PZA SHOULD REFLECT A BALANCE, IF YOU WILL, A BALANCE OF OPINION AND A BALANCE OF VIEWS OF ALL CITIZENS COUNTYWIDE, AND WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS IS REPRESENTED WELL BY MS. PERKINS AND MR. MATOVINA, AND YOU DO EXPRESS, I THINK, A PERSPECTIVE AND THE VIEWS FOR DEVELOPMENT. I JUST SEE MR. SMITH AS BEING THE THIRD VOICE OUT OF SEVEN AND SOMEHOW TIPPING THE PZA MORE TOWARD DEVELOPMENT THAN I THINK SHOULD BE NECESSARY.

I THINK THERE ARE OTHER CANDIDATES THAT ARE -- HAVE SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED THAT WOULD BRING NEW VOICES, FRESH VOICES, AND DIFFERENT OPINIONS TO THE PZA. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PZA BE A CROSS-SECTION OF COUNTY CITIZENS, BOTH PROFESSIONAL AND

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I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE OTHER THAN MR. SMITH

RECOMMENDED FOR NOMINATION. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, MS. PERKINS, YOU'RE

ON THE QUEUE. >> MS. PERKINS: QUESTION TO CHRISTINE. IS THE JUSTIFICATION, IS THAT GOING TO BE QUESTIONED TO MR. SMITH DURING THE BCC HEARING

IF THIS WERE TOCK BEFORE THEM? >> YES, THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO FINE SUCH A FINDING IN THEIR CONCLUSION IF THEY CHOOSE TO

APPOINTMENT THEM. >> MS. PERKINS: WE RECOMMENDED MR. SMITH AT LAST MEETING, AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD NOT CHANGE IF HE IS WILLING ON SERVE ON TWO BOARD AS A PUBLIC SERVANT HE HAS THE TIME TO DO IT, I THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW HIM TO DO THAT. THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION SO ULTIMATELY IT'S GOING TO BE THE BCC'S DECISION, BUT HI THE VOTE WAS OVERWHELMING LAST TIME, SO IF WE DO ANOTHER VOTE, I'M NOT

SURE IT WOULD CHANGE. >> MR. MATOVINA: SIR, DID YOU

WANT TO SPEAK? >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

MR.BURY ONE 22 GRAY HAWK. I AGREE WITH THOSE GENTLEMEN.

I THINK HAVING HIM ON TWO BOARDS COULD BE A CONFLICT INTEREST,

AND THAT'S ALL I NEED TO SAY. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

THANK YOU. DR. HILSENBECK, YOU'RE OAT

QUEUE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: WELL, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE AND DISCUSSED THIS MATTER, I NOMINATED MR. CHARLES LABANOWSKI AND THAT WAS TURNED DOWN.

JACK PETER HAD ALSO SUBMITTED AN EMAIL TO TERESA BISHOP, I BELIEVE, SAYING HE WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE CHARLES LABANOWSKI, BUT HE WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE MEETING SO HE DIDN'T GET TO VOTE, BUT THAT WAS TURNED DOWN. BUT INSTEAD OF -- I'D LIKE TO PUT FORTH ANOTHER NOMINATION, AND THAT IS TO BALANCE THIS BOARD WITH SOMEBODY FROM DISTRICT 5.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE FROM DISTRICT 5.

THAT'S THE DISTRICT THAT OUR CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, MR. HENRY DEAN, REPRESENTS, AND I BELIEVE THE ONLY CANDIDATE WE HAVE THAT APPLIED FROM DISTRICT 5 IS MR. HENRY GREEN AND I DON'T KNOW MR. GREEN.

I DID READ HIS RESUME. HE LIVES IN MY OLD NEIGHBORHOOD BUT I NEVER MET HIM. SHE DID CONSERVE THE ON PZA AT ONE POINT. HE APPARENTLY SERVED ON THE ST. AUGUSTINE CITY COMMISSION AT ONE POINT.

I THINK HE'S GOT SOME PRETTY GOOD QUALIFICATIONS.

HE'S A LIFETIME RESIDENT, I BELIEVE IT STATED, OF ST. AUGUSTINE. SO I'D LIKE TO PUT HIS NAME FORWARD. I'D LIKE TO PUT CHUCK LABANOWKSI NOWSKI'S NAME FORWARD BUT I'M NOT GOING TO AT THIS POINT SINCE IT WAS REJECTED LAST TIME, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT MR. HENRY GREEN'S NAME FORWARD AS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BOARD TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO FILL OUT THE VACANT SEAT ON THE PZA. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON THAT, DO WE KNOW OR, CHRISTINE, WE HAVE TERM LIMIT, RIGHT?

WE ONLY GET TWO TERMS. >> CORRECT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO DO WE KNOW WHETHER MR. GREEN QUALIFIES?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: GOOD POINT. >> HE SERVED PREVIOUSLY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IT SAYS ON HIS APPLICATION ST. JOHNS COUNTY

PZA CHAIR. >> MS. PERKINS: YEARS AGO.

>> YEARS AGO. THAT CAN ALWAYS BE WAIVED.

THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LINE IN THE SAND.

IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. >> MR. MATOVINA: DO YOU WANT

TO LEAVE YOUR MOTION STAND? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DO.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: I ASSUME STAFF WILL FIGURE OUT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WHETHER HE'S -- THAT NEEDS TO BE WAIVED, BETWEEN NOW AND BOCC?

>> CORRECT. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. GREEN. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> MS. PERKINS: PRCHLTS SECOND.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PETER HAS SECONDED THAT.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? WHY DON'T WE TAKE ABOUT 30 SECONDS SO IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO THEY CAN LOOK AT MR. GREEN'S RESUME REAL QUICK JUST TO REFRESH THEIR MEMORY BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS.

[2. PUD 2021-08 Evans Rowing Club. ]

SO THAT MOTION PASSES 4-2, AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION FOR MR. GREEN TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2, LET'S START WITH EX PARTE COMMUNICATION ON ITEM NUMBER 2.

FIRST OF ALL, SHOW OF HANDS, WHO IS HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 2?

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ALL RIGHT. EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.

MR. WILSON. NONE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I RECEIVED 30 OR 40 EMAILS FOR AND AGAINST, MOST WERE AGAINST, TO DENY THIS.

I TRIED TO RESPOND TO THOSE AS I COULD, BUT THE LAST DAY OR SO I'VE NOT RESPONDED TO ANY OF THEM.

I JUST HAD OTHER THINGS I HAD TO ATTEND TO.

BUT I WAS SPELLED AFTER READING THE EMAILS AND LOOKING AT THE AERIAL PHOTOS AND ALL THAT, I JUST FELT I HAD TO GO UP AND LOOK AT THE SITE, SO I DID DRIVE UP THERE AND CAME IN FROM DUVAL COUNTY OVER THE BRIDGE, AND I SAW THE SITE.

AND I'LL HAVE TO SAY THAT I FEL. I SAW THE SITE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: YES, I MET WITH CHUCK MULLIGAN ON 10/18 AT THE PROPERTY, AT HIS PROPERTY, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE APPLICATION, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS' CONCERNS. I ALSO TALKED WITH TOM INGRAM THIS MORNING ABOUT THE APPLICATION, THE REVISED SITE PLAN, AND ANY QUESTIONS I HAD HE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PETER. >> MR. PETER: NO.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PIERRE. ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE A LIST OF EX PARTE. I HAD A LENGTHY CONVERSATION WITH CHUCK MULLIGAN ABOUT SAFETY ISSUES RELATED TO THIS.

I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH TOM INGRAM LAST NIGHT ABOUT THE APPLICATION. I HAD, OF COURSE, NUMEROUS EMAILS THROUGH THE EMAIL. I'VE HAD MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER SPEAK TO ME SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THIS ITEM.

AND I HAVE MADE TWO SITE VISITS, ONE OF WHICH WAS RIGHT BEFORE I CAME HERE, AND SO THOSE ARE MY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.

AT THIS POINT I'M GOING TO HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD.

WHEN WE GET TO PUBLIC SPEAKING TIME, WHICH WILL BE AFTERWARDS, THERE IS A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT SPEAKERS WHO ARE PART OF THAT POWERPOINT PRESENTATION HAVE SPLIT IT UP TO STAY WITHIN THEIR THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT, AND SO I WAS GOING TO TO HAVE EVERYONE ELSE BUT THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION GO FIRST AND LET THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION CONCLUDE THE PUBLIC SPEAKING IS SORT OF THE PLAN THERE.

SO MR. INGRAM, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M TOM INGRAM 233 EAST BAY STREET SUITE 1113, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, I'M WITH SOTO & INGRAM AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE LANDOWNERS DR. BENJAMIN BARNIA AND PHYLLIS BARNIA AS WELL AS THE PRINCIPLES BEHIND EVANS ROWING,Y CORRIE AND RONNIE EVANS WHO ARE HERE TODAY.

AND WE HAVE OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

WE HAVE JUSTIN SPICER AND LINDSEY DASHER WITH GULFSTREAM ENGINEERING. WE HAVE H. WALKER, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS ALSO HERE. SO THIS -- AND I DID HAVE A QUICK QUESTION OF THE MEMBERS. SO SEVERAL YOU SAID YOU HAD NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. DOES THAT INCLUDE THAT YOU RECEIVED NO EMAILS ON THIS I'M? DID YOU RECEIVE ANY EMAILS ON THIS ITEM?

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO, MR. WILSON.

>> MR. WILSON: DID I NOT. SORRY.

I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY MEEMS, NO. >> SPEAKER: I KNOW THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF EMAILS SEND TO PZA 1, PZA 2, PZA 3, PZA 5, 6 AND 7. DOES THAT -- JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, SHOULD WE SEND THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE?

>> I THINK THAT'S A STAFF QUESTION.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. YOU RECEIVED A PACKET FROM SALEENA RAB RANDOLPH THIS AFTERNOON THAT INCLUDED A NUMBER EMAILS BOTH BEFORE AND AGAINST THE SITE, AS YOU CAME IN TODAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORD INCLUDED THE FACT THAT BOTH FOR AND AGAINST YOU DID RECEIVE A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE ON THIS.

ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, TOM INGRAM HERE ON EVANS ROWING CLUB. THIS IS 1.63-ACRE SITE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF JULINGTON CREEK BRIDGE.

ON JIEWLG CREEK. AND STATE ROAD 13.

SO LET'S GO. SO THE MISSION OF THE SITE, MISSION OF EVAN ROWING WHICH HAS BEEN IN OPERATION FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW ON JULINGTON CREEK, IT'S IN HIATUS AT THE MOMENT, BUT THE MISSION IS WRITTEN THERE.

I WANT TO SHOW A LITTLE VIDEO ABOUT WHAT EVANS ROWING IS ABOUT AND WHY THEY ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS ROWING CENTER GOING

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>> EVANS ROWING CLUB. WE ARE A FAMILY, A GROUP OF DEDICATED ATHLETES WITH A COMMON GOAL, TRAINING TO BE OUR BEST AND FOCUSED ON NIGHING AS ONE. OUR MISSION IS TO PROMOTE TOTAL MIND AND BODY DEVELOPMENT THROUGH DISCIPLINE, PRACTICE, AND STRUCTURED TRAININGS. TO HELP BUILD CONFIDENCE, LEADERSHIP SKILLS, TEAM UNITY AND LASTING FRIENDSHIPS.

AND TO ENCOURAGE AND INSPIRE AN INTENSE PASSION FOR THE SPORT OF ROWING WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THROUGH DEDICATION AND HARD

WORK, GREATNESS IS ACHIEVED. >> HI, I'M PAUL RAND.

BEING A PART OF EVANS ROWING CLUB MEANT TO ME BEING ABLE TO ROW WITH SOME OF THE BEST JUNIOR ROWERS IN JACKSONVILLE.

IT MEANT BEING ABLE ON GET SOME OF THE BEST ROWING QUOACHG THAT I COULD GET IN JACKSONVILLE. IT MEANT MAKING LIFELONG FRIENDS, ESPECIALLY THE GUYS I ROWED WITH AT THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS AND THE NATIONALS IN MY FOUR AND IN THE DOUBLE, PEOPLE THAT I'M STILL FRIENDS WITH TODAY AND RON AND CORY, TOO, WHO STILL CALL TO CHECK ON ME TO SEE NOT JUST HOW MY ROWING IS GOING BUT HOW LIFE IS GOING.

>> BEING PART OF EVANS ROWING CLUB HAS ALLOWED ME TO DEVELOP LEADERSHIP SKILLS THAT I NEVER KNEW I HAD PREVIOUSLY.

ADDITIONALLY, IT HELPED ME TO DEVELOP TIME MANAGEMENT SKILLS, HELPED ME IN ALL SECTOR OF MY LIFE TO STAY SUCCESSFUL.

>> I'VE GAINED SOME OF THE BEST LIFE SKILLS THAT I COULD HAVE GAINED FROM ROWING, SUCH AS LEADERSHIP, HOW TO FORM AND WORK AS A TEAM, AND DISCIPLINE AND SO MANY OTHERS.

AND I KNOW THAT I WANT TO BE THE PERSON THAT I AM TODAY WITHOUT EVANS ROWING CLUB. I WOULDN'T BE THE PERSON I AM

TODAY WITHOUT EVANS ROWING CLUB. >> ROWING DID NOT CHANGE MY LIFE. EVANS ROWING CLUB CHANGED MY LIFE. CORY AND RONNIE -- IT MAKES ME CRY JUST THINKING ABOUT IT. CORY AND RONNIE SHAPED THE PERSON THAT I AM TODAY IN TERMS OF GROWTH, ACHIEVEMENT, GUIDANCE, LEADERSHIP, AND EXOIR AND RONNIE SAW SOMETHING IN ME AND THEY GRANTED ME A SCHOLARSHIP EVEN THOUGH I COULDN'T AFFORD TO BE THERE. THEY COVERED MY FOOD.

THEY COVERED MY TRAVEL. AND I WILL HAVE TO SAY THE FACT THAT THEY DID THOSE THINGS FOR ME ALONG THE WAY HELPED ME TO GROW AND BE STRONG, AND I JOKINGLY TELL CORY AND RONNIE I OWE EVERYTHING TO THEM, BUT I'M NOT JOKING.

I AM VERY SERIOUS WHEN I SAY THAT.

I NEED YOU GUYS TO KNOW, EVERYBODY WATCHING, HOW IMPORTANT EVANS ROWING CLUB IS, AND I COULDN'T IMAGINE MY LIFE WITHOUT IT, AND I DO PRAY AND I HOPE THAT OTHERS ARE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE THE AMAZING OPPORTUNITY OF ROWING AT EVANS.

>> DRIVE TOGETHER! YOU'RE WORKING.

YOU WANT TO WIN THAT NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

COME ON! I KNOW YOU WANT IT! ONE, TWO, DRIVE! THREE, FOUR, DRIVE!

>> SPEAKER: SO CORY AND RONNIE, COULD YOU JUST WAVE TO SHOW WHO YOU ARE. SO THIS IS A PHOTO OF THEM OUT ON THE CREEK AND PRACTICING. SO YOU KNOW WHERE THE SITE IS.

SO ROWING IS ONE OF THOSE SPORTS FUNDAMENTALLY THAT REQUIRES WATER AND ACCESS TO WATER. THE BEST PLACE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR ROWING IS JULINGTON CREEK.

IT PROVIDE THAT BALANCE OF HAVING THE DISTANCE TO GET UP TO SPEED IN A SHELL AS WELL AS ENOUGH SHELTER TO PROTECT IT FROM WIND, SO THOSE SITES ARE NOT JUST ANYWHERE.

OBVIOUSLY ALMOST THE ENTIRE COUNTY IS NOT USABLE AS A ROWING CENTER. YOU HAVE TO BE ON WATER.

THE BEST IS IN THE CREEK THAT ALLOWS FOR PREDICTABLE PRACTICES TO BE SCHEDULED. OPEN UTTERS WATERS OF ST. JOHNS ARE OFTEN TOO CHOPPY AND TOO WAVY AND TOO WINDY.

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THAT EXPERIENCE WAS, AS YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ALREADY A THOUSAND TIMES, IT WAS NEGATIVE, BUT LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. IT WAS ALLOWED BY RIGHT UNDER JACKSONVILLE ZONING CODE. THE CITY CONFIRMED IT WAS ALLOWED. THEN UNDER POLITICAL PRESSURE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR REVERSED HIS DECISION, RESCINDED THE PERMIT. THEN EVANS WENT TO COURT.

THE COURT CONFIRMED THE PLANNING DIRECTOR'S DECISION.

IT WENT ON APPEAL. IF YOU KNOW ABOUT CERTIORARI AND THE STANDARD OF REVIEW AND APPEAL, DISTRICT COURSE OF THE APPEAL CAN'T JUST SAY, WE DISAGREE.

IT HAS TO BE A VERY EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCE FOR AN APPELLATE COURT TO OVERTURN A CIRCUIT COURT SITTING IN AN APPELLATE FASHION. TWO OF THE THREE JUDGES SAID IF WE HAD DISCRETION, WE WOULD HAVE OVERTURNED IT.

THE CITY WAS WRONG. THIS WAS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

SO IT WAS AS A RESULT, CHANGED NO.

BUT THAT'S THE CIRCUMSTANCE THEY FACED.

I WANTED TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY.

SO JULINGTON CREEK, ONCE AGAIN, HERE'S THE SITE.

HERE'S JULINGTON CREEK FROM THE AIR.

IT'S AN INCREDIBLE WATER BODY. YOU KNOW, IT AND THE ST. JOHNS RIVER AT A WHOLE INSPIRED WILLIAM BARTRAM TO WRITE ABOUT HIS TRAVELS IN THE LATE 1700S WHICH, IN TURN, INSPIRED RESIDENTS OF ENGLAND TO BE EXCITED ABOUT FLORIDA, AND HIS LEGACY CONTINUES TODAY AND WE HONOR HIM THROUGH NAMING THE HIGHWAY AFTER HIM, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT IRONIC, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE SITE THERE ADJACENT. FRUIT COVE TERRACE IS ACTUALLY THE DRIVEWAY TO THE SITE. HERE'S ANOTHER AERIAL.

YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINE OF THE PROPERTY IN RED.

THE LOT USED TO BE A LITTLE LOREN AND IT USED TO EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO WENTWORTH AVENUE. THE DOT TOOK THE SOUTHERLY PART OF THAT LOT FOR A RETENTION POND TO SERVE THE EXPANDED STATE ROAD 13 BACK IN THE '90S. THE LANDOWNERS AT THE TIME OPPOSED THAT TAKING. BUT I. ESSENTIALLY IT REMOVED ACCESS TO WENTWORTH AND CREATED THE NEED FOR A DIRECT DRIVEWAY ONTO STATE ROAD 13. YOU CAN ALSO SEE IT'S AMONG THE WIDEST OF THE LOTS IN THAT PLAT. THIS PLAT WAS POST-WAR, SO AFTER WORLD WAR II, THERE WAS SOME EARLY -- CONTINUATION REALLY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN ST. AUGUSTINE FOREVER, FOR AS LONG AS HUMANKIND HAS BEEN HERE, BUT SOME OF THE EARLIER LOTS TO BE DEVELOPED WERE IN THE '40S REMEMBER LATE '40S AFTER THE DEPRESSION WHERE YOU HAD PLATTED LOTS, AND IT BECAME SUBDIVISIONS, AND SINCE THEN THERE'S BEEN A LONG EVOLUTION OF CONTINUED LOTS AND MORE DEVELOPMENT, MORE DEVELOPMENT, SO JULINGTON CREEK WAS APPROVED IN THE '80S AS PART OF THAT MASTER PLAN.

THEY CONTEMPLATED A SECOND ACCESS TO CONNECT TO THE INTERSTATE 95 TO GO THROUGH WHAT IS JULINGTON DURBIN PENINSULA STATE PARK. THANKFULLY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

SO WHAT WE'RE LEFT WITH NOW IS THAT THE PRIMARY ARTERY FOR THIS AREA OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS STATE ROAD 13 TO GO TO AND FROM DUVAL COUNTY. THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SITE. YOU'VE GOT GOOD FRONTAGE ON THE WATER THERE. THAT'S THE EXISTING DOCK.

AND THERE'S THE EXISTING HOME. THE PROPOSED ZONING WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT HOME TO BE REPLACED, IF EVER DESIRED.

AND THEN THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS, WHO I EXPECT ARE HERE TODAY, THAT'S THE RODRIGUEZ RESIDENTS AND YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR FROM THEM. YOU WILL NOTICE THERE IS CURRENTLY AN ALUMINUM WROUGHT IRON STYLE FENCE BETWEEN, AND I'M GOING ON CALL AT THIS TIME EVANS PROPERTY JUST FOR SHORTHAND BUT BETWEEN THE EVANS PROPERTY AND THE RODRIGUEZ PROPERTY AND WE'RE PROPOSING A BUFFER AS PART OF THIS.

THIS IS A VIEW OF THE GROUND. SO LOOKING TOWARDS THE BRIDGE,

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THE FOOTPRIT OF THE HOUSE WOULD REMAIN GENERALLY IN THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING HOME. SO THE DEVELOPMENT STUFF IS ALL PUSHED TOWARDS THE ROAD, TOWARDS STATE ROAD 13.

THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE FENCE LINE BETWEEN THE RODRIGUEZS AND THE EVANS. AND THIS IS LOOKING TOWARDS THE RODRIGUEZS DOCK. THE DAY I WAS OUT THERE THERE WAS A JET SKI DOING DOUGHNUTS IN FRONT OF THE RODRIGUEZS.

SO HERE, THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING SOUTH.

THIS IS NORTH THE DRIVEWAY. AS YOU GET TO THE APPROACH.

WE MAY HEAR SOME TALK ABOUT A CURVE.

THERE IS A CURVE ON STATE ROAD 13.

IT REALLY BEGINS SOUTH OF THE DRIVEWAY AS YOU APPROACH WENTWORTH AVENUE. HERE'S LOOKING NORTH.

AND THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF WHERE THE WELCOME TO ST. JOHNS SIGN IS LOCATED. AND THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH FROM THE DRIVEWAY. THIS IS AN EXCERPT OF THE SURVEY FROM THE -- FOR THE EFNS PROPERTY, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IT'S A STRAIGHT LINE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE EDGE OF JULINGTON CREEK AND THE DRIVEWAY.

THERE IS A, AS YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO FULL MEDIAN CUT AT EFNTION DRIVEWAY TO ALLOW FOR LEFT TURNS OUT OR IN.

THAT'S INTENTIONAL. THERE IS A DEDICATED U-TURN NORTH OF THE BRIDGE AND AS WELL AS OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE TURNING MOVEMENTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BRIDGE.

THE LAND USE. SO IT'S RESIDENTIAL A.

THE AREA OR AN IT IS A MIX OF RES-A, RES-B AND SOME HIGHER INTENSITY USES. ALL OF THE PROPERTY, FROM THE COUNTY LINE TO RACE TRACK ROAD EXCEPT THIS PIECE IS IN SOME FORM OF MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT, ZONED FOR SUCH AND USED FOR SUCH: SHOPPING CENTERS, THE SIFNTD LIVING CENTER WHICH IS NOW THE VERY SUCCESSFUL IN LARGE, YOU HAVE A SHOPPING CENTER BY WENTWORTH AVENUE.

YOU HAVE A CVS AND SO ON. AND IT'S RS2 ZONING HERE AND THEN YOU SEE THE PSTD. THAT'S COMMERCIAL USE, COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH.

SO ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BRIDGE BY CONTRAST YOU HAVE THREE MARINAS. YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT ON A BRIDGE. YOU HAVE METRO DINER AND A NUMBER OF OTHERS. YOU HAVE A FRESH MARKET THERE.

IT'S INTENSIVELY DEVELOPED. ON THE SOUTH SIDE HERE ARE SOME OF THE SAMPLE USES. YOU HAVE CAFE WHICH JUST OPENED, STUBBORN SALON, WESTMINSTER WOODS, ROAD'S SPIRITS, PNC BANK, WALGREENS, AND GAS, AND BARTRAM SHOPPING CENTER.

SOME OF OUR OPPONENTS ACTUALLY HELPED IN DEVELOPING SOME OF THOSE USES, SO AT THE CORNER OF STATE ROUTE 13 NORTH AND RACE TRACK ROAD, ONE OUR OPPONENTS, IT WAS THERE PROPERTY, AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT IT'S COMMERCIAL.

HERE'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER VIEW OF ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. I THINK I ASKED FOR IT TO SHOW ME THE RESTAURANTS IN THE AREA. HERE'S A SITE PLAN.

SO WE DID FILE THIS ABOUT A WEEK AGO.

THE BIG CHANGE THE FROM PLAN THAT WAS FIRST IN YOUR STAFF REPORT IS THAT WE HAVE ADD AID DECELERATION LANE TO THE, TO THIS ENTRY. THE PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO GENERATE THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT WOULD NORMALLY WARRANT THAT KIND OF THING BUT IT HAS BEEN THE COUNTY'S POSITION THAT A DECELERATION LANE SHOULD BE PART OF THIS APPLICATION, AND WE HAVD THAT WOULD BE AT OUR EXPENSE. AND SO THAT'S ROUGHLY 180 FEET, INCLUDING THE TAIMP. THAT IS MUCH -- THE TAPER.

THAT IS MUCH MORE THAN YOU WILL SEE ON DEVELOPMENT SOUTH.

WENTWORTH AVENUE DOES NOT HAVE A DECELERATION LANE.

A NUMBER OF OTHER DRIVEWAYS AROUND THE AREA DO NET HAVE THIS, BUT WE WILL PUT IT IN AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

HERE'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER SHOWING OF IT.

SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF BUFFERS AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE THE SCENIC EDGE ON THE EAST SIDE.

WE HAVE THE 20-FOOT BUILDING SETBACK, THE 10-FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER, AND SO ON, SO IT'S A 30 FOOD SCENIC EDGE ON THE EAST SIDE. THERE'S THE PAD.

THERE ARE SOME OF THE PARKING THERE.

AND GEAN H. WALKER OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS HERE IF YOU WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE DESELLING. ON THE NORTH SIDE YOU HAVE THE

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WE'VE DONE OUR CALCULATIONS. WE BELIEVE THAT IF SCRAL A PARKING STYLE IS USED, MEANING THAT IN EVER IF EVERYBODY COMES IN AND FILLS UP THE SPACE, YOU COULD ACCOMMODATE 25 SPACES IN THE VALET, IN A VALET STYLE OVERFLOW PARKING AREA.

WE DON'T EXPECT WE WOULD NEED THAT MANY, BUT THE POINT BEING THAT THERE IS AMPLE PARKING AVAILABLE ON THE SITE.

ONE OTHER THING WHILE WE'RE ON THIS SITE.

SO WE HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE ON THIS PROPERTY AT 35 FEET.

WE WOULD HAVE A 20-FOOT BUFFER WITH SCREENING MEETING THE STANDARD B, WHICH WE INTEND TO USE A 6-FOOT FENCE COMBINED WITH LANDSCAPING AND TREE PLANTINGS, PARTICULARLY ALONG THE WEST WESTERLY BOUNDARY THERE WILL BE A 6-FOOT FENCE THERE.

THERE'S AN EXISTING WELL HEAD ON THE SITE THAT SERVES THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD REMAIN IN PLACE.

HERE'S SOME MORE VIEWS OF THE SITE.

SO THIS IS ON THEIST WEST SIDE. THE RODRIGUEZ PROPERTY YOU CAN SEE. SO THERE WOULD BE THE 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE, AND WE HAVE A SITE, A SLIDE HERE SHOWING HOW BIG THAT IS RELATIVELY SPEAKING. THE WHITE BUCKET ON THE RIGHT IS 35 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE FENCE THERE.

SO THAT'S GOING TO TO HAVE THE E TREE PLANTING.

HERE ARE SOME OF THE EXISTING USES IN THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE, SO WE'VE GOT A SHED. THE WELL HEAD IS IN THE FOREGROUND, BUT THE WELL HEAD ITSELF WOULD REMAIN.

THERE'S ANOTHER SHED IN THE 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE.

THE SOUTHERLY PART OF THIS PROPERTY, WHEN IT WAS FIRST ACQUIRED, WAS BEING IEWDZ USED FOR MOBILE HOMES, WHICH I BELIEVE WERE RENTED OUT BUT I COULDN'T BE SURE, SO IT HAD TWO MOBILE HOME ON THE SITE IN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE.

HERE'S ANOTHER CARPORT THAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE RIGHT NOW WHICH IS TOTALLY FINE. IT'S JUST YOU'RE NOT CURRENTLY REQUIRED TO HAVE ANY SORT OF BUFFER BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBORS UNDER THE EXISTING SYSTEM.

AND HERE'S LOOKING MORE TO THE EAST TOWARDS STATE ROUTE 13.

I'M STANDING ON WHAT WOULD BECOME PART OF THE OVERFLOW PARKING AREA. THIS IS THE RETENTION POND THAT'S DONE BY DOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

AND THEN IN THE DISTANCE I THINK YOU CAN SEE WENTWORTH AVENUE.

SO WE HAVE A FEW WAIVER REQUESTS.

FIRST IS THE SITE IS JUST UNDER A HALF A MILE FROM THE NEAREST CENTRAL WATER AND WASTEWATER UTILITIES.

THE STANDARD IS NORMALLY THAT IF YOU'RE WITHIN A HALF MILE, IF YOU HAVE A NEW SHOPPING CENTER OR SUBDIVISION, YOU HAVE TO CONNECT. WE HAVE A VERY LOW NEED FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER VOLUME. WHEN WE PROPOSED THAT, WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM STAFF SAYING, WELL, YES, BUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT FIRE SUPPLY? AND I JUST WANT TO THANK FIRE AND RESCUE AND STEPHANIE MURRAY FOR HELPING US LOOK AT THAT MORE IN-DEPTH.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS A PERMANENT DRY HYDRANT CONNECTING JULINGTON CREEK TO A SPACE WHERE THE FIRE TRUCKS, WHICH HAVE A PUMP ONBOAR WHERE THEY CAN PUMP OUT TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE FIRE WATER SUPPLY, AND WE WILL NOT RUN OUT OF WATER, BUT THAT WILL MEET THE NEED, AND THANKS AGAIN TO THEM FOR HELPING US WORK ON THAT. ON THE SCENIC EDGE WE'RE ASKING TO GO TO THE 30 FEET WITH THE 20B COMPATIBLE USE BUFFER.

THIS IS A REQUEST THAT IS ALLOWED AND IS COMMONLY REQUESTED WHEN YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT ALONG STATE ROAD 13.

THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE WE'RE NOT REALLY ASKING FOR A WRAIFER BUT DID I WANT TO FLAG THAT THERE IS A WELL HEAD THAT WOULD BE ON THE SITE. FINALLY ON THE WILLIAM BARTRAM SCENIC HAWAII THERE'S A BUFFER OF 40 FEET THAT'S NORMALLY REQUIRED AND WE'RE ASKING TO GO TO 30 FEET, AND REALLY THAT'S TO ACCOMMODATE THE PERMANENT DRY STAND PIPE AS WELL AS THE BUFFERS ON THE EAST, WEST AND SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY WITH ONLY 1.6 ACRES. THE DEVELOPMENT AREA JUST GETS SQUEEZED AND SQUEEZED FURTHER. I DID WANT FOR TO POINT OUT MR. BARTRAM, WHEN HE SAW THE RIVER, THE ST. JOHNS AND DESCRIBED IT TO HIS MANY READERS, HE WAS DESCRIBING THE GREAT ST. JOHNS FROM WHAT WAS KNOWN AS A BATU WHICH IS A

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THERE WERE FARMS ALL ALONG THIS AREA.

SO IN TERMS OF PROTECTING THE VIEW, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO -- THIS WILL HELP MORE PEOPLE SEE THAT VIEW THAT MR. BARTRAM SAW, THOUGH WE DO HAVE A LOT OF HOUSES OUT THERE NOW AND A BRIDGE AND THREE MARINAS. THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE RESIDENTIAL USES ALLOW SOME OTHER USES TOO. IT'S NOT STRICTLY A HOUSE, AND IT INCLUDES USES SUPPORTIVE OR COMPLEMENTARY TO RESIDENTIAL.

GOING TO THE CODE, -- SORRY --N THE CODE IT PROVIDE FOR NON-EXCLUSIVE LIST, BUT IT INCLUDES -- IT INCLUDES COMMUNITY MARINAS AS AN EXAMPLE OF A TYPE OF USES AND ALLOWED RESIDENTIAL USE. I WOULD ARGUE THIS IS CLOSE TO COMMUNITY MARINA, THOUGH LESS INTENSE THAN THAT.

SO HERE THESE SLIDES JUST SO THE CURVE THAT IS THERE ON THE AREA SOUTH OF OUR DRIVEWAY, WENTWORTH AVENUE IS THERE TO THE BOTTOM.

AND THERE'S THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S MEL SOUTH OF IMMEF WENTWORTH. HERE'S WENTWORTH LOOKING NORTH JUST TO SHOW THE CURVE THAT THEY HAVE EVERY DAY.

AND NOTICE THE CONFIGURATION OF WENTWORTH ACCESS.

THERE'S NO DECELERATION LAWN THERE.

HERE'S A SLIDE ABOUT HOW THERE ARE CERTAIN USES THAT ARE -- THAT INCLUDE COMMUNITY MARINAS AND THE AREA, I'M SORRY I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE HIGHLIGHTER, BUT WHAT IT SAYS IS IT'S NOT AN EXCLUSIVE LIST OF USES.

IT'S EXAMPLES OF USES. SO I DID WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TRACK TRAFFIC SAFEE THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN A GROUP SO GALVANIZED ABOUT THE NEED FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY AND TO PROTECT OUR YOUTH AS THE WENTWORTH AVENUE COMMUNITY, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY WE SHARE THEIR CONCERNS FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY, NOT JUST FOR THE YOUNG OR OLD, FOR EVERYBODY AND EVERYWHERE, AND WE WOULD PROPOSE TO USE -- IF THERE ARE CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE U-TURN IN DUVAL COUNTY, I'VE HAD CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE THIS COME UP IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED HOW MUCH THE DOT LISTENS TO THE COMMUNITY WHEN IT COMES TO THE NEED FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. WE WILL NOT IMPROVE TRAFFIC SAFETY ON STATE ROAD 13 AND THAT U-TURN BY TURNING DOWN A ROWING CENTER FOR YOUTH. WE WILL NOT PREVENT 16 TO 18-YEAR-OLDS FROM DRIVING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY BY PREVENTING A ROWING CENTER FROM GOING FORWARD.

THEY'RE GOING TO DO OTHER THINGS.

SO IF THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TODAY IS TO MAKE CHILDREN SAFE, LET'S KEEP THEM AT HOME, IT'S, A, NOT TRUE BECAUSE THANKFULLY KIDS DO GET OUT IN THE WORLD, AND IT'S END INCUMBENT ON EACH OF US AS PARENTS TO HELP THEM MAKE GOOD CHOICES ABOUT WHERE THEY GO AND WHERE THEY DRIVE.

I KNOW THAT WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, MY PASSION WAS WIND SURFING AND I LIVED IN GAINESVILLE, SO I'D DRIVE TO CRESCENT BEACH OR TO SALT RUN OR LAKE GENEVA IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS.

I THINK YOU'LL HEAR SOME TODAY ABOUT HOW MUCH THE EVANS ROWING TEAM HAS LOVED ROWING ON JULINGTON CREEK, HOW MUCH IT MEANS TOO THEIR LIFE. I'M NOT A ROWER 1 I'M A SAILOR.

I CAN'T IMAGINE LIVING WITHOUT THAT EXPERIENCE, AND I'VE ADVOCATED FOR FREE, IN MY SPARE TIME, FOR PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATER AND I'VE HAD A DECENT MEASURE OF SUCCESS, AND THIS IS ANOTHER STEP IN BRINGING PEOPLE ON THE WATER.

IT IS SHOCKING, BOTH WHEN I'VE BEEN ON THE RIVER OR DRIVING BY THE RIVER, HOW FEW PEOPLE ACTUALLY USE THE RIVER.

YOU'VE GOT THIS MASSIVE, AMAZING OPPORTUNITY.

WE SPEND MILLIONS TO PROTECT IT, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS.

WE BOUGHT THE JULINGTON DURBIN PENINSULA STATE PARK THANKFULLY.

WE REFUSED TO ALLOW A DEVELOPER TO TURN IT INTO A PROJECT JUST TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THEY TRIED TO DO THAT.

SO THIS IS WHY WE PRESERVE THESE THINGS, IS TO GET PEOPLE OUT ON

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NOT EVERYBODY IS SET OUT FOR THAT.

NOT EVERYBODY THAT JOINS EVANS ROWING REALIZE THAT THEY WERE ATHLETES UNTIL THEY TRIED IT OUT.

SO WITH THAT, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

AGAIN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM H. WALKER RIGHT NOW? I WOULD LOVE TO BRING HER UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DECEL LANE IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, I KNOW COREY EVANS WANTED TO SPEAK AS

WELL. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. H. WALKER WITH CHINDALUR TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS OUT OF JACKSONVILLE. I'M NOT SURE YOU HAVE DIRECT QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE NEED FOR A DECELERATION LANE OR NOT BUT I'LL KIND OF GIVE A GUIDELINE WHAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THIS. D OBVIOUST HAS A PROCESS THAT YOU LOOK AT TO SEE IF A RIGHT TURN LANE OR EVEN A LEFT TURN LANE IS WARRANTED OR REQUIRED. SO IT'S WITHIN THEIR ACCESS MANAGEMENT GUIDELINES. FOR THIS LOCATION TECHNICAL IT DOES NOT MEET THE WARRANT TO NEED A RIGHT TURN LANE.

HOWEVER, IT IS PROPOSED IN CONSIDERATION FOR SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL USE ON STATE ROAD 13 TO RELOCATE TRAFFIC THAT WANTS TO MAKE A RIGHT INTO THE DRIVEWAY OUT IN THE THROUGH LANE TO POTENTIALLY REDUCE THE POTENTIAL FOR REAR END CRASHES, FOR SOMEONE NOT ANYTHING THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN INTO THE EVANS ROWING LOCATION, BUT WE FELT THAT THE BEST THING TO DO IS PUT A RIGHT TURN LANE, GET THEM OUT OF THAT FLOW OF TRAFFIC, UNDERSTANDING AGAIN ALSO IT IS A 45-MILE-PER-HOUR SECTION THAT NOBODY IS DOING THE SPEED OF 45 MILES PER HOUR, HOWEVER, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A 45 MILES PER HOUR WHICH DOT CONFIRMED THEY WANT THE DESIGN BASED ON 45 MILES PER HOUR, NOT HIGHER. IT IS 185 FEET.

THAT IS 135 FEET THAT IS ACTUALLY THE DECELERATION LENGTH PLUS 50 FEET FOR THE TAPER TO TRANSITION THEM OUT OF THE THROUGH LYNN INTO THE RIGHT TURN LANE.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT IN FURTHER DETAIL.

I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT AT FULL ANALYSIS AT THIS POINT.

IS THERE A POTENTIAL TO GET MORE OUT OF IT? WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT FURTHER. BUT AT THE BARE MIHM DOT HAS REQUESTED THAT WE MEET THE STOORN ON THAT.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY, TBAWNG TALKING ABOUT THEIR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, ALSO AGREED THEY WOULD HIR A REQUIRE THAT WE MEET A RIGHT TURN LAREN AND THAT WE MEET D OBVIOUST'S FOR THE LEFNGHT IT.

A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU DO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THRIEG TO MUTT IN THIS RIGHT TURN LANE WE ARE COMING OFF THE JULINGTON CREEK BRIDGE. WE ALSO NEED TO SHIFT AND MOVE THE SIDEWALK WHICH IS DESIGN GROUP WITH GULFSTREAM WILL BE TAKING CARE OF THAT, AND WE FEEL WE CAN MEET THAT REQUIREMENT AS WELL. SO WE HAVE OUR CHECKLIST OF REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND DOT THAT WE ARE MEETING IN THAT REQUEST. THAT IS MY SPEECH FOR THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: I'D LIKE TO SAVE THE QUESTIONS UNTIL THE APPLICANT IS DONE WITH ALL OF THEIR WRENCH WRENCHTIVITIES SPEAKING AND THEN THEN WE'LL GO INTO QUESTIONS.

>> SPEAKER: I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU, MR. MATOVINA.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY. MY NAME IS CORY EVANS AND I AM THE OWNER AND CHIEF OFFICER OF EFNS ROWING CLUB.

>> MR. MATOVINA: I CAN YOU GIVE YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER: FOR MY PERSONAL ADDRESS? 14607 MILL HOPPER ROAD IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

MY HUSBAND REUNION AND I STARTED ERC IN 2011, AND SINCE THEN WE HAVE HELPED NUMEROUS CHILDREN IN ST. JOHNS, DUVAL AND CLAY COUNTY TO LEARN TO ROW, BUILD CONFIDENCE, GET IN SHAPE, DEVELOP LEADERSHIP, AND TIME MANAGEMENT SKILLS, MAKE LASTING FRIENDSHIPS, EARN COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIPS, GET INTO IVY LEAGUE SCHOOLS AND BE A PART OF A SECOND FAMILY.

I MET MY HUSBAND WHEN I JOINED THE ROWING TEAM AT FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY. LITTLE DID I KNOW THAT THIS ONE MOVE WOULD BE INSTRUMENT ALLEY IN SHAPING MY FUTURE.

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HOWEVER, MY LOVE FOR THE SPORT WAGS NOT UNTIL THE GRUELING WORK-OUTS OR THE RACES. IT WAS IN THE TRANSFORMATION THAT I EXPERIENCED AND ALSO WITNESSED IN MY FELLOW TEAMMATES. THE AMOUNT OF DISCIPLINE THAT WAS NEEDED IN THE SPORT, THE SELF-CONFIDENCE THAT WE DEVELOPED, THE TEAM WORK WE ACHIEVED HAVING TO WORK AS ONE ON THE WATER, THE MOTIVATION NEEDED TO PUSH THROUGH THE PAIN, AND THE STRATEGY NEEDED TO ACHIEVE OUR GOALS.

RONNIE AND I COACHED TOGETHER FOR SEVERAL YEARS AFTER COLLEGE.

WE SAW FIRSTHAND HOW WE HAD A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE LIVES OF PEOPLE THAT WE TRAINED. IT WAS SO REWARDING THAT WHEN WE MOVED TO JACKSONVILLE, WE KNEW THAT WE WANTED TO BRING THIS LIFE-CHANGING SPORT WITH US. WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT GOD GIVES ALL OF US UNIQUE TALENTS AND GIFTS.

WELL, THIS IS OUR GIFT. TO BE A SUPPORT SYSTEM FOR OUR ATHLETES, TO GUIDE THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, TO INSPIRE THEM TO ACHIEVE GREATNESS, AND HELP THEM SEE AND BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES THE WAY THAT WE SEE AND BELIEVE IN THEM.

THIS IS WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO. THIS IS GOD'S PLAN FOR US, TO PAKE HAD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

SINCE WE OPENED OUR DOORS IN 2011 WE HAVE PERSONALLY PROVIDED OVER $240,000 IN SCHOLARSHIPS TO KIDS WHO COULD NOT AFFORD TO ROW. WE HAVE BOUGHT GROCERIES AND CLOTHES FOR FAMILIES WHO WERE IN NEED.

WE HAVE SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS HELPING OUR ROWERS FILL OUT COLLEGE APPLICATIONS, RESUMES AND PERSONAL STATEMENTS.

WE HAVE BEEN A SHOULDER TO LEAN ON WHEN OUR ATHLETES NEEDED SOMEONE TO TALK TO OR WHO JUST WANTED TO NOT BE ALONE.

YOU SEE, ROWING IS NOT JUST A SPORT TO US.

AND THE KIDS WHO JOIN OUR PROGRAM ARE NOT JUST MEMBERS.

THEY BECOME OUR CHILDREN. WE KEEP IN TOUCH WITH THEM.

WE ATTEND THEIR WEDDING, BABY SHOWERS, BIRTHDAY PARTIES, AND FUNERALS. ONCE THEY BECOME PART OF OUR TEAM, THEY BECOME PART OF OUR FAMILY, AND THAT RELATIONSHIP CONTINUES EVEN AFTER THEY GRADUATE.

RONNIE AND I ALSO HAVE THREE YOUNG KIDS OF OUR OWN.

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO TEACH THEM TO CARE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO BE GOOD ROLE MODELS, AND WE WANT TO DEMONSTRATE HOW ONE PERSON CAN HAVE A POSITIVE INFLUENCE IN THE LIVES OF OTHERS AND CONTRIBUTE TO THIS WORLD.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING OUR WORK FOR THE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO BENEFIT FROM THE INCREDIBLE SPORT OF ROWING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

DR. HILSENBECK, YOU'RE ON THE QUEUE FIRST WITH QUESTIONS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAVE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

I'LL TRY TO HOLD MOST OF THE COMMENTS UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, FIRST OF ALL, I RECOGNIZE CERTAINLY THE BENEFITS OF ROWING AND DEVELOPING LEADERSHIP SKILLS AND HEALTH AND WELL-BEING AND THE POTENTIAL FOR SCHOLARSHIPS AND ALL THAT, AND MOST OF THE LETTERS I RECEIVED IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS CITED THOSE SAME TYPES OF BENEFITS, BUT THEY DID NOT CITE SAFETY AND TRAFFIC AND NOISE CONCERNS OF RESIDENTS WHO LIVE NEARBY, SO I FULLY RECOGNIZE THIS.

I HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE SENT TWO OF THEIR CHILDREN TO PRINCETON ON ROWING SCHOLARSHIP SCHOLARSHIPS, BEAUTY THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER -- BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF SPORTS, AS MR. INGRAM POINTED OUT. NOTE EVERYONE IS CUT OUT FOR FOOTBALL OR BASEBALL OR BASKETBALL OR TRACK AND FIELD OR BAND OR ACADEMICS, WHICH YOU CAN ALSO GET SCHOLARSHIPS IN ALL OF THOSE AREAS, SO THIS ISN'T THE ONLY SPORT OR ACTIVITY IN WHICH SCHOLARSHIPS TO A UNIVERSITY CAN BE AWARDED, SO I'M NOT AGAINST ROWING. I THINK IT'S A GREAT ACTIVITY AND I'M ALL FOR HAVING WHOLESOME, HEALTHFUL ACTIVITIES FOR CHILDREN. SO LET ME ASK SOME QUESTIONS, AND I WILL SAY, MR. INGRAM, YOU'RE ACTUALLY ONE OF MY FAVORITE ATTORNEYS THAT APPEARS BEFORE YOU EVER US.

ANYONE THAT CAN RECITE BARTRAM AND KNOWS WHAT FINE SANDS ARE AND SO FORTH THAT CAME UP IN ANOTHER DISCUSSION, I DO

APPRECIATE YOUR KNOWLEDGE. >>

>> AND YOUR VERY COMBINED THANK YOU, DR. HIFNLS, AND I ENJOY SPEAKING WITH YOU INTIM DID WANT TO GIVE A SHUT-OUT TO SALEENA

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. SO LET ME JUST -- THE FIRST QUESTION, A DRY HYDRANT. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A DRY HYDRANT WAS SO I HAD TO LOOK IT UP. IT WASN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THAT WELL IN WHAT I READ OF THE APPLICATION.

SO WHAT I PLOOKD UP, THEY SEEM FAIRLY SMALL.

WHAT IS THE CAPACITY IN TERMS OF, SAY, GALLONS PER MINUTE OF A DRY HYDRANT VERSUS A REGULAR FIRE HYDRANT CONNECTED TO A CITY

WATER SUPPLY? >>

>> AND SURE. SO IT WILL BE SIZED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF YOUR FIRE MARSHAL, SO FIRST OF ALL, AS TO THE EXACT NUMBER OF GALLONS, I'M NOT SURE, BUT WHAT WAS EXPLAINED TO US BY FIRE AND RESCUE WAS THAT IT IS BASICALLY A PLACE WHERE THE PUMPER TRUCK CAN PULL UP AND THE TRUCKS DO HAVE PUMPS ONBOARD, THEY CAN PULL UP, PUT THE INTAKE INTO THE HOLE.

WE HAVE TO DESIGN IT SO THAT THE FIRE TRUCK CAN PULL RIGHT UP AND PUT IT IN THE HOLE, SO IT WOULD LIKELY BE THERE BETWEEN THE SCENIC EDGE AND THE PARKING AREA, PULL IN, AND THEN THEY HAVE AN UNLIMITED SUPPLY OF WATER IF NEEDED.

AND THEY WERE SATISFIED WITH THAT PROPOSAL.

EARLIER WE HAD LOOKED AT, WELL, CAN WE DO AN UNENCLOSED BUILDING, CAN WE DO SOMETHING SMALLER, CAN WE JUST GET PERMISSION TO DO KNOWING AT ALL BECAUSE, BY THE WAY, NONE OF THE RESIDENTS ALONG WENTWORTH AVENUE HAVE FIRE SUPPLY.

THIS HOUSE DOESN'T, EITHER. BUT WE WILL MAKE IT BETTER WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE WILL HAVE THAT CAPACITY.

BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S -- AND I SHOULD KNOW THE SLAMENT GENTLEMAN WITH FIRE RESCUE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME BUT HE SAID IT'S QUITE COMMON AND HE HAD PREESTLED WORKED IN PUTNAM COUNTY AND THIS IS A VERY STANDARD APPROACH TO DEAL WITH FIRE PROTECTION AT WATERFRONT PROPERTIES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO THE FIRE FOLKS WERE FINE WITH THE DRY HYDRANT? BECAUSE IT'S STATED U.S. YOU HAD DISCUSSED WITH IT THEM BUT DIDN'T HEAR ANY OUTCOME OF THAT

DISCUSSION. >> SPEAKER: RIGHT.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THEY CAME DOWN.

THEY DELETED ALL OF THEIR COMMENTS PREVIOUSLY OBJECTING TO OUR PROPOSED WAIVER CONCERNING UTILITIES.

YOU MAY BE SURPRISED, DR. HILSENBECK, THAT SOME OF YOUR STAFF ARE VERY RELUCTANT TO SAY EVERYTHING'S FINE.

IT'S USUALLY THE ABSENCE OF AN OBJECTION IS ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT GETS AROUND HERE. BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH BUILDINGS PERMIT REVIEW, AT WHICH TIME THE FIRE MARSHAL WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE WILL MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS. AND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IS A PERMANENT DRY HYDRANT AS BEING THE BEST SOLUTION TO MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS. THEY WOULD OVERSEE AND REVIEW THE DETAIL OF THAT DESIGN. MATT LAUDE IS WITH GULFSTREAM ENGINEERING WHO IS ALSO ON OUR TEAM, AND HE'S DONE THESE BEFORE AND HE'S VERY COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

I'M SORRY HE'S NOT HERE. HE HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: CONSIDERING THE DECEL LANE, I HAD NOT SEEN THAT. APPARENTLY I DIDN'T SEE THAT UNTIL MS. PERKINS SHOWED THAT TO ME UP HERE, SHOULDN'T STANDING UP HERE THIS AFTERNOON SO I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE DOING THAT. I'LL TELL YOU WHEN I CAME OVER THE JULINGTON CREEK BRIDGE I WAS DOING ABOUT 45, AND I WAS SHOCKED AT HOW QUICKLY, AND I LOOKED AT AERIAL PHOTOS AND I THOUGHT I'D BE PREPARED FOR THIS, I WAS REALLY SHOCKED AT HOW QUICKLY AT 45 MILES AN HOUR THAT DRIVEWAY ENDED THE PROPERTY CAME UP ON ME. REALLY.

AND I WAS SLOWING DOWN TO ABOUT 40 AT THAT POINT, AND THERE WAS SOMEBODY RIGHT ON MY TAIL, AND I TRIED TO SLOW DOWN TO 40 TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY A LITTLE BETTER, AND THEN AS SOON AS THEY COULD GET AROUND ME, THEY GOT AROUND ME.

I WAS A NUISANCE ON THE HIGHWAY AT 40 TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY. BUT HOW FAST THAT CITADEL LANE IS HOW MANY FEET? 180 FEET APPROXIMATELY?

>> YES, MORE OR LESS, YES. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, OUR APPLICATION PROVIDES, AND IT'S WRITTEN ON THE SITE PLAN, THE DESIGN WILL BE FINALIZED IN CONJUNCTION WITH FDOT AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY DURING PERMITTING.

YOU'RE NOT THE ENGINEERING REVIEW BOARD AND NO ONE HERE WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY ARE. BUT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HEADED, IS A FULL ON DECEL LANE AT THE SITE, AND IT WOULD BE MISLEADING

TO HAVE JUST A DRIVEWAY THERE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND HOW MANY FEET IS THAT DECEL LANE AGAIN?

>> SPEAKER: SO IT IS ON THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU SEE THERE,

IT'S 180 WITH THE TAPES ARE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND HOW QUICKLY DOES A INTK VEHICLE GOING 45 MILES PER HOUR COVER

180 FEET? >> SPEAKER: YOU KNOW, I'LL ASK

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: I KNOW PRETTY MUCH THE ANSWER.

>> SPEAKER: YEAH, THIS IS A STANDARD RIGHT-HAND DECELERATION LANE, UNLIKE WENTWORTH AND A NUMBER OF OTHER DRIVEWAYS ON STATE ROAD 13, BUT, H., DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT BRAKING?

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

IT'S GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON THE DRIVER TO BE HONEST ABOUT THAT, HOW SOON THEY'RE GOING TO BRAKE.

WHAT DO THEY CONSIDER IS A COMFORT LEVEL OF, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, TAILGATING OR HOW CLOSE THEY ARE TO SOMEONE ELSE, THAT'S GOING TO PLAY A PART IN THERE BUT WE TRY TO GO ROUGHLY 9.8 2350E9 PER SECOND IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS A DECREASE IN THE SPEED THERE. HOWEVER, A COUPLE THINGS THAT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT IS DOT WHOSE ALSO REQUIRED THAT WE OODINGS EVER ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE TO MAKE MOTORISTS AWARE THAT DRIVEWAY WILL BE THERE BECAUSE IT'S FOR THE ACTIVITY THAT IS GOING THERE, SO PRIOR TO THE BRIDGE, AFTER THE BRIDGE,-ELECT THEM KNOW THERE'S ESSENTIALLY A WZ THAT IS EXITING TRAFFIC.

SO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO WARN AND ADVISE MOTORSISTS THAT THERE IS THE POTENTIAL THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO SLOW DOWN ADDITIONALLY FOR THOSE THAT ARE COMING OUT AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE TRANSITIONING INTO THE RIGHT TURN LANE AS WELL.

THOSE ARE ALL BEING REQUIRED BY DOT THAT WE PROVIDE AS PART OF

THIS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND YOU THINK PEOPLE ACTUALLY COMING OVER THE BRIDGE WOULD NOTICE A SIGN BEFORE THAT OR COMING OVER THE BRIDGE AND AT THE END OF BRIDGE AT THE SOUTH END OF THE BRIDGE WOULD NOTICE AND READ A SIGN WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE WATER AN LOOKING AT THE CAR IN FRONT OF THEM AND IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR AND ALL THAT.

AND THEN COULD YOU JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION HOW MANY SECONDS IS IT GOING TO TAKE A CAR GOING 45 MILES AN HOUR TO COVER THAT

DISTANCE. >> SPEAKER: I'D HAVE TO RUN CALCULATIONS. I DON'T KNOW IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD UNFORTUNATELY SO I'D HAVE TO RUN --

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I FIGURE IT'S LESS THAN, WAY LESS THAN

THREE SECONDS. >> SPEAKER: IT COULD BE.

>> SPEAKER: IF I MAY, DR. HILSENBECK, THIS IS THE STANDARD LENGTH IS WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS SPEED ROAD UNDER THE DOT ACCESS MANUAL, SO I MEAN, FEEL FREE TO WRITE THE DOT AND TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT, BUT STOPPING A ROWING CENTER OVER USING A DOT SIZE CITADEL LANE IS NOT SAFE DECEL LANE IS NOT SAFE. IT IS NOT SAFE FOR OUR COUNTRY OR OUR COMMUNITY WHO ALLOW FOR A ROWING CENTER ON THE CREEK.

>> SPEAKER: LET ME SEE IF I CAN HELP EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE STANDARD FOR DECELERATION LANE, THE LANE IS FOR THEM TO MAKE THAT DECREASE IN SPEED, SO THEY WOULD BE GETTING OUT OF THE THROUGH LANE INTO IT, SO ROUGHLY WE'RE LOOKING A I HAVE HAD PRONG THEM 185 FEET IN WHICH THEY CAN NO COME FROM ROUGHLY 45 MILES PER HOUR TO MAKE A SAFE TURN AROUND 10, 15 MILES AN HOUR OR SLOWER MOO THE DRIVEWAY. SO ALL OF THAT SHOULD BE CONTAINED IN THAT 185 FEET. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS CLARIFY SOME OF THAT AS TO THE STANDARD.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SOMEWHAT. >> SPEAKER: SO DOT, MANY AGENCIES, WE'RE TALKING NATIONAL, THAT STATE HOW TO DEVELOP THOSE STANDARDS. SO DOT HAS BEEN USING THAT.

OBVIOUSLY COUNTIES AND CITIES CAN ALSO ADD ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ON TOP OF THAT. IN THIS CASE ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS NOT BECAUSE THIS IS A STATE ROAD SO THEY'RE REQUIRING TO US FOLLOW DOT'S STANDARDS FOR THAT. TO REFLECT BACK TO YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION AS TO DO I THINK THAT THREAR GOING TO PAY ATTENTION THE TO SIGNS CONSIDERING THE, BASICALLY THE AMBIENCE THAT'S AROUND YOU WEEK LOOKING AT THE RIVER, THAT'S A BEHAVIORAL ISSUE

HIM OF THAT'S A WHAT ISSUE? >> SPEAKER: IT'S A BEHAVIORAL.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK AT AS ENGINEERS, WHAT ARE THE FACTORS THAT WE CAN CONTRIBUTE TO OR MAKE CHANGES TO.

WE CANNOT CHANGE THE ENVIRONMENT.

WE CANNOT CHANGE BASICALLY THE WEATHER.

WEEKS NOT CHANGE VEHICLES THEMSELVES.

AND WE CANNOT CHANGE DRIVER BEHAVIOR.

BUT THE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE IS TO THE ROADWAY AND TO MAKE IT TO THE SAFEST ABILITY THAT WE CAN, KNOWING THAT NOT ALL DRIVERS ARE GOING TO BE THE PERFECT DRIVER ON THE ROAD, NOR IS A PEDESTRIAN, BICYCLIST GOING TO DO THEIR ACTIONS PROPERLY.

SO WHAT WE DO AS IS A DESIGN T TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THOSE ERRANT DRIVERS, THOSE ERRANT BICYCLISTS, PEDESTRIANS AND TRY TO GIVE THEM THE BEST RECOVERY THAT THEY CAN BECAUSE, UNFORTUNATELY, CRASHES AND ACCIDENTS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN NOTE 100% GET RID OF, BUT THAT IS OUR GOAL. TOT'S GOAL AND NATIONAL IS VISION ZERO, ZERO FATALITIES, SO WE'RE DOING, WHAT WE DO IS TARGET ZERO AND WE'RE WORKING TO GET TO THAT ZERO.

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SO WITHIN THE DESIGN WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THOSE ASPECTS OF HOW PEOPLE DO DRIVE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE THEIR DRIVER FOR THEM AND TELL THEM, HEY, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LEAVE TWO CAR LEBLGHTSDZS BETWEEN YOU. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO WILL THEY SEE THE SIGN? SOME WILL.

SOME WILL NOT. WILL THEY PAY ATTENTION AND ADHERE TO IT? SOME WILL.

SOME WILL NOT. THAT'S THE BEST WAY I CAN ANSWER

IT FOR YOU, SIR. >> DR. HILSENBECK: IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT CERTAINLY OVER WHAT I SAW UP UNTIL THIS AFTERNOON TO HAVE THAT DECEL LANE WITHOUT IT, AND I DO HAVE OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. IT'S NOT JUST THE TRAFFIC AND THE DECEL LANE. I DO HAVE SOME OTHER CONCERNS.

SO LET ME ASK THIS TO MR. INGRAM.

ON SOME OF YOUR WAIVERS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE DRY HYDRANT. IT SAYS HERE YOU'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A 30-FOOT SCENIC EDGE IN LIEU OF THE REQUIRED 75-FOOT REQUIREMENT. AND THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO PROVIDE RELIEF TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS, NOT THE APPLICANTS, SO HAVING THAT SCENIC EDGE REDUCED FROM SIGH OF TO THERE ARE -- 75 TO 30, COULD YOU

EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE TO ME. >> SPEAKER: THE SCENIC EDGE IS ALONG A DIRECTOR OR ARTERIAL ROAD, IN IN CASE STATE ROAD 13, SO IT WOULD BE A REDUCTION ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD WHICH IS COMMONLY REQUESTED IN THIS AREA.

WE SIMPLY NEED IT FOR THE SPACEE PROPOSED ROWING CENTER, THE PERMANENT DRY HYDRANT, THE PARKING, AND SO ON.

THERE IS SOME -- THERE'S CURRENTLY SOME VEGETATION IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IN ADDITION TO WHAT EXISTS CURRENTLY ON THE EVANS PROPERTY, BUT THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT REQUEST.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO THAT'S A REDUCTION BY OVER HALF.

>> SPEAKER: YEAH, AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT VIRTUALLY EVERY, EVERY APPLICATION IN THIS AREA HAS A REQUEST TO GO TO 30, AND

IT'S ROUTINELY APPROVED. >> .

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. IN TERMS OF THE BUSINESSES, YOU SHOWED SOME BUSINESSES SOUTH OF THE SITE, AND SO WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY WEEK NOT WHAT'S IN DUVAL COUNTY.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: IT'S STATED IN THE STAFF OF THE RECORD MATERIAL THAT MANY OF THE BUSINESSES, COMMERCIAL USES WERE ESTABLISHED AND PERMITTED PRIOR TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEING ADOPTED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

SO DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOPEFULLY THOSE BUSINESSES WERE PERMITTED BEFORE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WENT INTO

EFFECT? >> SPEAKER: YEAH.

I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE WALGREENS, THAT WHOLLY NORTH WEST CORNER OF RACE TRACK ROAD AND THE PDQ, ALL OF THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED SINCE THE COMP PLAN. THE SHOPPING CENTER, THE MOON DOG PIE HOUSE, THE NEW I MICROBREWERY ALL OF THAT'S POST COMP LAN DONE BY GATES IN I BELIEVE THE EARLY 2000S.

THE CVS IS FAIRLY NEW. THE THE SHOAPG CENTER THERE ON THE SOUTHEAST, BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THE WALMART IS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WERE NOSE COMMERCIAL SITES AND THEN GRANDFATHERED IN AND SOMETHING TORN DOWN AND THEN THE NEW

BUILDINGS BUILT OR DO YOU KNOW? >> SPEAKER: I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN APPROVALS SOUGHT AND OBTAINED FOR THOSE DURING MY CAREER. THE DETAILS I DON'T SPECIFICALLY

RECALL ON THAT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: ALL RIGHT.

GOOD. CONCERNING THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY ADJACENT TO THE CREEK, YOU'RE ALSO REQUESTING RELIEF FROM THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE REQUIRED ON THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY THERE.

YOU SAID THAT YOU WANT THIS, QUOTE, NO EDGE BE REQUIRED SO THAT ACCESS AND VIEW OF THE CREEK CAN BE ENJOYED.

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CODE ACTUALLY -- TERESA, DO YOU HAVE A POSITION ON THAT? IS ONE EVEN REQUIRED ON THE

CREEK, THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE? >> DR. HILSENBECK: THIS IS FROM THE APPLICATION I'M READING.

>> SPEAKER: UNDERSTOOD. >> TERESA BISHOP: MR. CHAIR, DID YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FROM THE APPLICANT

OR -- >> MR. MATOVINA: YES, PLEASE.

>> TERESA BISHOP: NO, A DEVELOPMENT EDGE IS NOT REQUIRED

ON THE WATER BODIES. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO THERE'S A DOCK THERE ALREADY, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR, THERE IS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND THEY CAN'T PUT THE SHELLS IN USING

THAT DOCK? >> SPEAKER: IT NEEDS A REFRESH, DR. HILSENBECK. I LOOBLGD OUT AT IT.

IT'S DUE FOR SOME WORK. IN ADDITION, TAMPA BAY SHELLS ARE THE WAY SHESTLES ARE LAUNCHED WHEN YOU HAVE A DOCK LIKE THIS, YOU HAVE AFLOATING DOCK THAT YOU NEED TO AUK WALK

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THIS IS THE SAFEST WAY TO DO IT, AND WE SAW THAT IN THE VIDEO A LITTLE BIT WHEN THEY WERE LAUNCHING A SHELL.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO YOU DO WANT THAT WAIVER.

IT WAS UP ON YOUR LAST SLIDE BEFORE YOU FLIPPED THROUGH THIS TO SHOW THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

YOU WANT TO REDUCED FROM 40 TO 30 FEET, I BELIEVE.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> DR. HILSENBECK:, ALSO.

>> SPEAKER: YES. >> DR. HILSENBECK: GIVEN ALL THESE NECESSARY WAIVERS TO FIT EVERYTHING INTO THIS SITE, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS JUST MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT SITE IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL THESE WAIVERS, SO I KNOW IT'S -- YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO WATER TO ROW CERTAINLY.

ONE OF THE LETTERS I RECEIVED STATED THAT AT THE NORTHWEST COMMUNITY MEETING, THAT IT WAS STATED BY THE APPLICANTS -- I ASSUME YOU WERE THERE, I KNOW FREES A BISHOP WAS THERE FROM WHAT I READ -- THAT THIS WAS THE ONLY PLACE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT THEY COULD FIND THAT WAS SUITABLE FOR ROWING ACTIVITIES.

IS THAT REALLY TRUE? I MEAN, I'M GOING TO BE NAME SOME AREAS THAT I THINK ARE ALSO SUITABLE, BUT COULD YOU NAME SOME MORE AREAS THAT YOU MIGHT THINK ARE SUITEDDABLE?

>> SPEAKER: THERE MAY BE SOME TRANSLATION ISSUES.

JULINGTON CREEK IS THE ONLY PLACE IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTY WHERE ROWING, A ROWING CENTER CAN GO.

JULINGTON CREEK HAS THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING LARGE ENOUGH TO GET UP TO SPEED AND ROW DISTANCE BUT ALSO SMALL ENOUGH SO THAT IT'S SHELTERED FROM THE WIND.

SO AS TO OTHER POTENTIAL LOCATIONS, ALL OF JULINGTON CREEK FRONT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL EXCEPT FOR THE SIFNTD LIVING FACILITY -- ASSISTED LIVING AND ACCEPT FOR JULINGTON DURBIN PENINSULA STATE PARK.

SO IF ANYBODY IS OF THE OPINION THAT THERE IS SOME MAGICAL PLACE IN JULINGTON CREEK WHERE THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION TO A ROWING CENTER, I BEG TO DIFFER BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS

AND OBSERVATIONS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU'RE PROBABLY CORRECT IN THAT IF YOU'RE ONLY CONSIDERING JULINGTON OR DURBIN CREEK, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THERE.

BUT LET ME JUST SAY WHEN I DROVE OVER AND LOOKED AT THE SITE, THE WATER WAS FAIRLY CHOPPY. WE HAD A WIND BLOWING.

AND THEN I DROVE MUCH FURTHER SOUTH ALONG 13.

>> SPEAKER: TODAY? >> DR. HILSENBECK: NO, THIS

WAS ON TUESDAY. >> SPEAKER: WE HAD A RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE WITH A COLD FRONT THAT CAME THROUGH AT THAT POINT, SO, YES, IT WAS DEFINITELY WIND.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: TUESDAY WASN'T AS COLDS A WEDNESDAY OR TODAY. BUT ANYWAY, MY POINT ON THIS IS THAT THE WATER IN GINOBILI WAS FAIRLY CHOPPY, AND I DROVE ON DOWN 13. I LOOKED OUT AT ST. JOHNS RIVER.

THEY WERE ABOUT EQUALLY CHOPPY. SO THAT IS RIGHT WHERE THE JULINGTON CREEK -- YOU KNOW THE SITE BETTER THAN I DO.

>> SPEAKER: I KNOW IT VERY WELL BECAUSE I USED TO WINDSURFER OUT THERE A LOT AND THE ONE LACE I WOULD NOT WINDSURF WAS JULINGTON CREEK BECAUSE IT WAS NOT WINDY ENOUGH.

IT WAS TERRIBLE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M JUST GOING TO THROW OUT SOME OTHER AREAS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

IF THE APPLICANT STATED AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE THEY COULD HAVE A ROWING CENTER OR USAGE, I'M GOING TO BE SUBMIT THERE ARE SOME OTHERS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY OUTSIDE OF JULINGTON AND DURBIN CREEKS.

FOR EXAMPLE, TROUT CREEK. IT'S NOT THAT FAR SOUTH OF THERE TO GET TO TROUT CREEK. THERE'S A NICE PARK THERE THAT THEY COULD PUT IN, NOT DISTURB ANY RESIDENCES THERE ON TROUT CREEK. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA.

YOU COULD GET UP TO SPEED AND ROW THERE.

FURTHER DOWN SIX MILE CREEK. LET'S LOOK AT PLACES LIKE THE MATANZAS RIVER AND BAY MERE ST. AUGUSTINE, MATANZAS RIVER FURTHER SOUTH LIKE SOUTH OF THE 206 BRIDGE.

SALT RUN FROM AN ANASTASIA YEAH, ALONG ANASTASIA STATE PARK.

PELL SER CREEK, MOTELLER WHY I, GUANA RIVER, INTRACOSTELLO WATERWAY UP BY NOCATEE AND PALM. THOSE ARE ALL IN COUNTY.

AND TO ME -- >> SPEAKER: DO WE WANT TO TAKE

THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THEM? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DON'T KNOW. I'M HERE ALL DAY.

>> SPEAKER: ITS LET'S GO THROUGH THEM.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: GET PAID $75 TO SIT HERE.

>> SPEAKER: I'M SORRY? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I GET PAID $75 A MEETING TO SIT HERE. SO I'M PERFECTLY WILLING TO STAY UNTIL MIDNIGHT IF NECESSARY. [LAUGHTER]

>> SPEAKER: SURE. WELL, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE AND THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME ON MY TOES, AS ALWAYS. SO THE SAILING AND BRACKISH AREAS, AS YOU KNOW, ARE -- WE HAVE A PRETTY HEALTHY OYSTER ESTUARY. THAT POSES SOME CONFLICTS WITH

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IT'S NOT IDEAL FOR THAT. AND YOU ALSO HAVE WIND CONSIDERATIONS AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE COAST AND THE INTRACOASTAL. SIX MILE CREEK AND TROUT CREEK ARE MUCH SMALLER IN SIZE. THEY'RE MUCH NARROWER.

JULINGTON HAS A MORE OPEN SPACE, A LONG RUN.

TYPICALLY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT EVANS ROWING WILL ROW ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT -- NOT ALWAYS BUT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT -- ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BRIDGE WHERE IT'S SLIGHTLY MORE PROTECTED, BUT IT'S STILL RELATIVELY OPEN, AND I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THERE IS NO SIMILAR WATER BODY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO JULINGTON CREEK.

IT'S AN AMAZING SHELTERED AND FRANKLY UNDERUTILIZED SITE WITH VIRTUALLY NO PUBLIC OR PRIVATE ACCESS TO IT ON ST. JOHNS COUNTY EXCEPT IN PRIVATE HOMES, WHICH IS FOR THOSE OF US FOREIGN ENOUGH TO KNOW SOMEBODY THAT HAS A DOCK AND WILL LET US COME ON IT, THAT'S GREAT, YOU BUT NOTO MANY OTHERS.

SO IT REALLY IS A -- IT'S A SPECIAL PLACE AND REALLY THE EXPERTS ON THAT ARE THE EVANS. THAT'S WHERE THEY CHOSE.

THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY OTHER PLACES IN THE COUNTRY AND IN THE WORLD TO DO IT, BUT THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD WANT IT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND WE TRIED TO PICK A PLACE WHERE YOU WEREN'T ON A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET BECAUSE INEVITABLY YOU'LL HAVE -- I MEAN, EVEN HERE WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS ON A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET AND YET WE STILL HAVE OPPOSITION.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO LET ME ASK YOU AGAIN.

YOU GAVE AN EXPLANATION OF WHY THIS CLUB WAS, THEY ARE PERMIT WAS DENIED IN DUVAL COUNTY. COULD YOU GO OVER THOSE REASONS? BECAUSE WHAT I READ IN THE LETTERS AND THE EMAILS THAT I RECEIVED, ANY OF THOSE COULD BE CON ESTRADA I GUESS AS HEARSAY.

THAT'S ONE I. REASON I DROVE UP THERE BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE THE SITE MYSELF WITH THIS IN MIND.

BUT COULD YOU TELL US WHAT THE REASONS ARE AGAIN.

WHAT WAS CITED IN SOME OF THE LETTERS WE RECEIVED IS THERE WAS EXCESSIVE NOISE, AND IN THAT VIDEO YOU SHOWED 21Y. IT WAS PRETTY QUIET ACT OF UP UNTIL ONE POINT.

THEN THERE WAS A LOT OF YELLING AND SCREAMING AND SHOUTING, WHICH I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE GET EXCITED IN DOING ACTIVITIES AND THEY WANT TO DRIVE THE TEAM FORWARD.

I'VE BEEN VERY LOUD IN MY LIFE ANOTHER TIMES.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

THAT WAS WHEN THE GIRLS EIGHT WON THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS.

WHAT YOU HEARD WAS THE MIC ON THE COXIN WHEN SHE WAS SAYING, YES! BECAUSE SHE'S THE ONLY ONE ON THAT BOAT THAT HAD THE BREATH TO YELL.

IF YOU SAW HER CLOSELY, EVERYBODY ELSE SLUMPED OVER.

BUT, YES, PEOPLE YELL WHEN THEY WIN NATIONALS.

THAT'S NOT THE NORMAL COURSE OF EVENTS OUT THERE.

IN ADDITION AS TO NOISE, SO IT HAS BEEN SPHARN IN ROWING AND, IN COMPETITIVE ROWING FOR MANY, MANY YEARS THAT THE COXIN WEARS

A MICROPHONE. >> I DID READ THAT.

>> SPEAKER: THERE ARE SPEAKERS IN THE BOAT CLOSE TO THE ROWERS SO THAT THE COXIN DOESN'T HAVE TO YELL.

THE COXIN DOESN'T WANT THE OTHER TEAM TO HEAR THEM SAYING WHAT TO DO, LIKE PUSH NOW, NOW TAKE A BREAK, NOW PUSH, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. IT'S TACTICS.

SO THAT WAY YOU JUST DON'T HAVE TO YELL, PERIOD.

SO IT'S NOT A PARTICULARLY NOISY SPORT.

IF YOU WANTED TO COMPARE IT TO WAKEBOARDING, WHICH IS ALSO POPULAR OUT THERE, IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH A WAKEBOARD BOAT, IT'S COMMON TO HAVE SOME PRETTY GOOD SOUND SYSTEMS ON IT AS THEY GO AROUND AND JUMP AND WHAT HAVE YOU COMPARED TO JET SKIING OR PERSONAL WATERCRAFT. THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF NOISY ACTIVITIES ADD TO STATE ROAD 13 ITSELF, AND THEN THERE ARE NOISES ASSOCIATED WITH RESIDENTIAL.

YOU HAVE PLAYING CHILDREN, PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT PLAYING CHILDREN TOO. PEOPLE PLAYING IN BACKYARDS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT IT'S A RELATIVELY QUIET

ENDEAVOR. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO WHAT WERE THE REASONS THAT DUVAL COUNTY REVOKED THE PERMIT AGAIN?

>> SPEAKER: SO, AS YOU KNOW BETTER THAN MOST, ZONING IS

POLITICS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND THAT'S

IT? >> SPEAKER: AND THEY ASKED THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, CAN WE OPERATE A ROWING CENTER HERE? PLANNING DEPARTMENT CONFIRMED IT, ISSUED AN APPROVAL, RECOGNIZING THAT A PRIVATE CLUB WAS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THAT RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. AFTER COMPLAINTS FROM SOME BUT NOT ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THEM PRESSURING CROWNS MEN, THE DISTRICT COUNCILMEN OF THE AREA, THE DISTRICT COUNCILMEN AND THE CITY EITHER SEPARATELY OR TOGETHER

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IT CLEARLY ALLOWS THIS USE. HOWEVER, THEY ARE VERY CONSTRAINED BY THE STANDARD OF REVIEW FOR CERTIORARI, IT'S CALLED SECOND TIER CERTIORARI, AND THEY CAN'T SIMPLY OVERTURN THE CIRCUIT COURT'S DECISION BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE WITH AN

INTERPRETATION OF LAW. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO ONE THING I READ IN THIS MATERIAL WE WERE JUST GIVEN WHEN WE WALKED IN HERE TODAY, AND I ONLY WALKED IN ABOUT 25 MINUTES BEFORE, AND I COULDN'T READ ALL THIS ACTUALLY, PLUS I COULDN'T GET MY GLASSES OUT OF MY COAT POCKET INITIALLY, BUT IT STATED SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS PERMITTED IN DUVAL COUNTY AS A YACHT CLUB, AND THEN IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT YACHT CLUBS HAVE TO BE PART OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE A COUNTRY CLUB, THEY HAVE TO BE PART OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS WAS NOT APPROVED OR PART OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT THAT MIGHT REFLECT ON THIS? AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY ORDINANCES, SINCE I HADN'T SEEN THIS UNTIL A FEW MINUTES AGO, HOW THOSE JIBE WITH DUVAL COUNTY, BUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ON WENTWORTH AVENUE CERTAINLY DOESN'T SEEM TO WANT TO HAVE A COUNTRY CLUB OR YACHT CLUB THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN HOA FOR THAT COMMUNITY OR NOT, BUT MAYBE YOU COULD ADDRESS

THAT. >> SPEAKER: YEAH, SURE SO.

ONCE AGAIN, AT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE DETERMINED THAT THE ROWING CENTER THERE WAS LAWFUL, WAS ALLOWED BY RIGHT ON THAT SITE. THEY LATER CHANGED THEIR MIND.

THAT'S WHAT CAUSED THEM TO HAVE TO STOP.

SO THERE'S NOTHING NEFARIOUS HAPPENED THERE.

IT'S THAT, AGAIN, PUBLIC INPUT CAN CAUSE SOME STRANGE THINGS TO HAPPEN. I HAD A VERY SIMILAR ISSUE COME UP WITH A WRITTEN INTERPRETATION OF A PLANNING DIRECTOR WHO BASICALLY DISREGARDED THE CODE AND WROTE SOME CRAZY THINGS, AND WE HAD TO ASK THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO ASSIST US IN THAT.

BUT ANYWAY, SO LEAVING THAT ASIDE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS, WITH HAOS AND YACHT CLUBS.

THE CITY AGREED THAT WAS ALLOWED UNTIL THEY DECIDED THAT IT WASN'T ALLOWED AT WHICH POINT IT STOPPED.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WHERE I WAS GOING WAS YOU SAID THIS WAS BY RIGHT AND THAT THE CIRCUIT COURT OR THE APPEALS COURT SAID THEY HAD BY RIGHT THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.

WAS THAT BEFORE THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED BOY DUVAL COUNTY FOR A YACHT CLUB OR AFTER THAT THEY HAD BY RIGHT?

>> SPEAKER: WE NEVER ASKED FOR A YACHT CLUB, DR. HILSENBECK.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD ME SAY YACHT CLUB ANYWHERE IN THERE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT WAS ALL OVER -- 13-6R7B8G9S THE

OPPOSITION CORRESPONDENCE? >> DR. HILSENBECK: YES.

I SAID I'M TAKING THEM AT FACE VALUE.

I READ ALL OF THEM. I READ THOSE IN FAVOR.

I READ THOSE AGAINST. SO I DON'T KNOW.

BUT THE JACKSONVILLE CITY COUNCIL PERSON YOU'RE STWAWNG IS SCHNELL ENBERG OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

IS THAT THE STATE YOUR NAME? >> SPEAKER: I BELIEVE SO HIRCHL SO IF THERE'S SIMILAR -- DOES THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW BY RIGHT HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A ROWING CLUB ON IT?

>> SPEAKER: NO, SIR, IT DOESN'T.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE SEEKING THE REZONING TODAY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: NOT UNTIL IT'S REZONE.

THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WONDERED.

LET ME SEE. I'VE GOT SOME MORE QUESTIONS.

AND THEN I WANT THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK CERTAINLY.

SO DID THE FDOT MINUTES GET -- THIS IS FROM THE TECHNICAL REVISION AND CONCURRENCY DIVISION REVIEW.

DID THE FDOT MINUTES GET SUBMITTED AS?

HAS THE COUNTY RECEIVED THOSE? >> SPEAKER: NO, SIR, THEY ARE NOT. I BELIEVE THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS

OF BEING FINALIZED. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

SO YOU DID REVISE THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP, I SEE.

I STILL DON'T AGREE WITH -- I PERSONALLY DON'T AGREE WITH GRANTING ALL THE WAIVERS THAT ARE NEEDED TO FIT THIS ONTO THIS SITE, SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE I WROTE DOWN. HOW OFTEN ARE THOSE SHELLS MOVED FROM THAT PROPERTY TO ANOTHER LOCATION FOR AN EVENT, A COMPETITION, WHATEVER? HOW OFTEN DO THOSE GET MOVED?

>> SPEAKER: IT'S A RARE EVENT, SO ROUGHLY ONCE A QUARTER.

IT COULD BE EVEN LESS, AND IT'S TYPICALLY DONE IN THE THE WAY

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BEFORE RIG HUH-UH. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO NO EXTRA SHERLS BROUGHT INTO ORE OUT OF THE PROPERTY BY STUDENTS.

>> SPEAKER: YOU WOULD INITIAL BRING THEM IN.

THEY WOULD BE STORED THERE. THEN DHAIRVEL THE REGATTA AND THEY WOULD TRAVEL TO REGATTAS. JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS THIS IS NOT A REGATTA SITE. THIS IS A TRAINING FACILITY ONLY. SEE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BRING A

CROWD IN FOR THAT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

SO THE STUDENTS ARE -- THEY'RE CLIENTS.

THEY PAY TO BE IN THIS CLUB AND TRAIN THERE.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: UNLESS THEY'RE PART OF SCHOLARSHIPS. I WOULD JUST TELL YOU, I WOULD CAUTION YOU AGAINST EVER ENTERING INTO A ROWING CENTER BUSINESS EXPECTING TO MAKE MONE MONEY.

THIS IS A PASSION. BUT THEY DO GIVE SCHOLARSHIPS TO THOSE THAT HAVE A NEED, A DESIRE TO PARTICIPATE AND DO NOT HAVE

THE MEANS TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO I READ IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS THAT THE RESOURCE ARE OUT THERE THREE TO FOUR DAYS A WEEK, TYPICALLY THREE TIMES DURING THE WEEK, AND THEN ON SATURDAY MORNINGS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WAS IN APPLICATION.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. I TRIED TO MEMORIZE EVERYTHING.

I'VE GOT A STACK OF PAGES AND PAGES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S MY JOB.

>> SPEAKER: I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HEARD FROM THE

HORSE'S MOUTH OVER THERE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND THOSE TIMES THAT I READ THAT THEY ARE NOT RUSH HOUR TIMES, BUT AFTER SCHOOL, SAY 4:15 TO 7:00 AT NIGHT OR SO, 6:30, THAT'S STILL TO ME RUSH HOUR. SO I THINK THAT'S RUSH HOUR.

AND THEN SATURDAY MORNING I'LL JUST HAVE TO SAY IF I HAD TO I CAN WA UP WAKE UP SATURDAY MORNING, I'M JUST GOING BACK THE TO YELLING, AND YOU SAY IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THAT IT'S VERY RARE, IT WAS A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP EVENT, BUT TO HAVE THAT RIGHT OUTSIDE MY TRANQUIL PEACE AND QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT OUTSIDE MY BEDROOM WINDOW LOOKING OUT AT THE YEEK ON SATURDAY MORNING, THAT WOULD DISTURB ME.

>> SPEAKER: IF YOU HAVE ONECH THOSE, GOD BLESS YOU.

YOU'RE A VERY FORTUNATE PERSON. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I WOULD BE.

I DON'T. >> SPEAKER: I HOPE YOU WOULDN'T ACT TO PREVENT OTHERS FROM USING OUR PUBLIC RESOURCES AND DOING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT FAIR.

I'M AN OWNER OF THAT CREEK JUST AS YOU ARE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I AGREE WITH YOU ON TO THAT POINT.

>> SPEAKER: SO THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE WOULD BE INCONVENIENCED BY SOMEONE USING THE WATER FOR TO TURN DOWN A ZONING IS ABSURD,

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S JUST ONE OF MY QUESTIONS SPINCHTS YOU AND IS AN ACTIVIST WHO WHOSE PASSIONATELY ACQUIRED PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC USE AND PRESERVATION KNOW THAT TOO. YOU WOULDN'T PRESERVE IN THE NATURE CONSERVANCY AND SAY THE PUBLIC CAN'T GO USE IT BECAUSE SOME NEIGHBOR MIGHT TAKE OFFENS OFFENSE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: -- AND THAT THE WATER BODY IS A PUBLIC WATER BODY. I AGREE WITH YOU CERTAINLY.

>> SPEAKER: SO YOU'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE FROM KIDS ROWING ON THE CREEK BE, I HOPE, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. SHE HAD A MIC ON HER HEAD.

THAT WAS ONE PERSON YELLING. SO IT'S SILL TO COMPARE THAT

WITH PRACTICE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: WELL, YOU MENTIONED THE NOISE, AND IT DOES SAY, AND THIS IS IN THE APPLICATION MATERIAL UNDER OFFICE OF INCRO ATTORNEY REVIEW, IT SAYS THE AGENCY BOARD MAY APPROVE OR DENY THE PROPOSED REQUEST, AND THIS IS JUST IN GENERAL, TO REZONE IF THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT MAINTAINING THE EXISTING ZONING SERVES A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE. A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR KEEPING THE EXISTING ZONING MAY INCLUDE THAT THE REZONING ENTREPRENEUR PRODUCES AN URBAN SPRAWL PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT, IS SPOT ZONING, PRODUCES AN INCOMPATIBILITY OR DEVIATION FROM ESTABLISHED OR DEVELOPING A LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT, IT PRODUCES SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT UPON PROPERTY VALUES OF THE ADJACENT OR NEARBY PROPERTIES OR DETRACTS FROM THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY CREATING EXCESSIVE NOISE, LIGHTS, VIBRATION, FUMES, ODOR, DUST, PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES AND OTHER DETRIMENT ALLEY EFFECTS OF NUISANCE OR IMPACT ON ENVIRONMENTALLY SIGNIFICANT FEATURES, SO I'M JUST CITING THAT LEGAL OPINION AND WHAT IS

IN OUR ORDINANCES. >> SPEAKER: AND I JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE CORRIDOR.

EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY OTHER THAN THE FDOT POND AND THIS PROPERTY IS USED AND ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL USES.

THIS IS LESS INTENSIVE THAN THE COMMERCIAL USES TO THE SOUTH AND ON THE EAST. SO IF ANYTHING'S OUT OF CHARACTER, IT'S THAT THIS IDEA THAT YOU WOULD REQUIRE SOMEONE

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WE WILL DESIGN, EVEN AS WE'VE SUGGESTED, EVEN BEYOND WHAT THE ACCESS MANUAL PROVIDE FOR FDOT. WE WILL PROVIDE A DECELERATION LANE. WE WILL MEET THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF COUNTY ON THAT. IT WILL BE BETTER THAN THE ACCESSES TO THE SOUTH, SO YOU HAVE WENTWORTH, YOU HAVE THE SHOPPING CENTER IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF WENTWORTH.

WE WILL HAVE A SUPERIOR ACCESS AS A RESULT OF THAT.

FINALLY, IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY IS MUCH BIGGER THAN ONE BLOCK OR TEN RESIDENCES.

WE'RE ALL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S ST.

JOHNS OR THE JACKSONVILLE MSA. YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE COST VERSUS BENEFIT FOR THIS. THE COMMUNITY, OUR COMMUNITY BENEFITS FROM HAVING A ROWING CENTER FOR YOUTH, SO WE CAN'T JUST SAY, WELL, LET'S ASK THE NEIGHBORS AND THEY VETO BECAUSE THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT IS THERE'S A LOT OF CONSEQUENCES, ONE, THIS ROWING CENTER IS OUT. OH A BIGGER PICTURE, WE WILL HAVE A SCARCITY OF HOUSING ACROSS OUR COMMUNITY AND WE WILL BECOME CALIFORNIA WHERE THE AVERAGE PRICE IS WELL OVER $1 MILLION AND WE HAVE A MASSIVE HOMELESSNESS CRISIS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I HOPE NOT. [LAUGHTER]

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: TOM. TOM.

YOU ARE DEBATING AND I DON'T LIKE THAT, NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE 2 THE TWO OF YOU ARE NOTE SUPPOSED TO BE DEBATING, AND NUMBER TWO WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE LEFT TO SPEAK.

>> SPEAKER: I APOLOGIZE, SIR. >> MR. MATOVINA: DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DR. HILSENBECK?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I DON'T AT THIS TIME.

THAT WAS MY LAST ONE FOR NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. WILSON BE, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> MR. WILSON: NO, I HAD MY MIC OPEN BY ACCIDENT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, AND I'D LIKE YOU TO JUST ANSWER THE

QUESTIONS. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IS THE LENGTH OF THESE SHELLS? WHAT IS THE LONGEST SHELL?

>> SPEAKER: THE LONGEST SHELL IS AN EIGHT AND IT'S ABOUT

64 FEET LONG. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO THOSE SHELLS HAVE TO GET ON AND OFF THE SITE AT TIMES.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

WHAT'S THE DISTANCE THAT YOU TYPICALLY ROW?

>> SPEAKER: RONNIE? [INAUDIBLE]

>> MR. MATOVINA: I'M THINKING COMPETITIVE.

COMPETITION DISTANCE. IF THEY'RE IN A COMPETITION, HOW

FAR DO THEY ROW? >> ANDIONING ROW EVANS.

EVANS ROWING CLUB. FOCUS FOR QUESTION TICIANS THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES. DURING THE FALL SEASON THE COMPETITIONS RUN BETWEEN 3,000 AND 6,000 MEERTSZ.

DURING THE SPRIK TIME SUMMER 1500 TO 2,000 METERS LONG.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. BOWLS HAS A ROWING CLUB.

THAT IS RIGHT? >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

I BELIEVE THEY GOT A NEW BOATHOUSE NAMED AFTER HERB

PAYTON. >> MR. MATOVINA: WHERE IS THAT AT? SMNCHTS IT IS AT THE BOWL'S

CAMPUS. >> MR. MATOVINA: ON THE

ST. JOHNS RIVER. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. YOU DIDN'T REALLY STATE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE HOUSE BUT I ASSUME THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO KEEP THE EXISTING HOME FOR NOW THAT MIGHT BE REPLACED AT SOME POINT IN TIME, AND THE HOUSE -- LET ME MAKE THAT TWO QUESTIONS. THE HOUSE IS DRAWN ON THE SITE PLAN MATCHES KIND OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING HOUSE.

THAT IS RIGHT? >> SPEAKER: THAT'S GENERALLY

CORRECT, YES. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

SO THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS ARE SOMEWHAT TRAFFIC AND ENGINEERING RELATED. SO YOU MAY NEED TO HAVE H. COME UP, BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE A CIVIL HERE, THAT IS RIGHT?

>> SPEAKER: WE DO. WE HAVE A CIVIL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. SO HOW ARE WE PROVIDING RETENTION? AND WHERE IS THE SEPTIC MOUND ON

THIS PLAN? >> SPEAKER: CURRENTLY -- APOLOGIES. GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M JUSTIN SPICER PROJECT ENGINEER REPRESENTING GULFSTREAM DESIGN GROUP LOCATED ON ANASTASIA ISLAND AT 2225 AYAIMPLET SOUTH SUITE A2 ST. AUGUSTINE FLORIDA 32080.

A1A SOUTH. THERE ARE NUMERAL WAYS FOR LOW IMPACT PROJECTS SITE OFF AS THE EVANS ROWING CLUB PROJECT FOR

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THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY TYPE WILL BE DETERMINED DURING THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND PERMITTING PROCESS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THERE.

WHAT ABOUT SEPTIC TANK? >> SPEAKER: THE EXISTING SEPTIC TANK IS CURRENTLY BY THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, BUT WILL BE RELOCATED TOWARDS THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY TO MAINTAIN FDOH REQUIREMENTS FOR SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS FOR SURFACE WATERS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: BUT THERE'S NO MOUND SHOWN ON THIS PLAN WHICH CAN TAKE UP QUITE A BIT OF AREA.

>> SPEAKER: THEY CAN EK THAT UP QUITE A BIT OF EAR BOUGHT WE'VE ALSO BEEN EXPLORING OTHER OPTIONS OF SMALLER SEPTIC SYSTEMS SUCH AS ANAEROBIC SEPTIC SYSTEMS WHICH TEND TO BE MUCH

SMALLER IN EAR. >> MR. IN AREA.

>> MR. MATOVINA: STILL ON ENGINEERING.

DON'T GO YET. >> SPEAKER: APOLOGIES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YOU'VE GOT A WATER LINE, I BELIEVE, AND YOU'VE GOT AT LEAST FIBEROPTIC CABLE IF NOT MORE ALONG THE RIGHT-OF-WAY RIGHT THERE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU'VE GOT A FIBEROPTIC CABLE THAT WAS DIRECT DRILLED THAT IS STICKING UP OUT UNFORTUNATE GROUND BY BRIDGE.

WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THOSE?

>> SPEAKER: THIS SITE WILL ACTUALLY BE SERVICED BY A WELL FOR THE POTABLE DEMAND. RELOCATING THE CABLES WITHIN THE

RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> MR. MATOVINA: YEAH, WHEN YOU MOVE THAT TURN DANE OVER THERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT

ON TON OF THE UTILITIES. >> SPEAKER: YES.

WHEN WE DO, IT WILL BE AT THE OWNER'S EXPENSE, ANY RELOCATION, AND WHILE DOING THIS, WE'VE WE'VE REACHED OUT AND SENT OUT UTILITY NOTIFICATIONS AND WE'LL BE COMPLYING WITH ANY LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS AND -- BUT, YEAH, THEY WILL BE RELOCATED AT THE EXPENSE OF THE OWNERS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IF THEY END UP HAVING TO GO ON THE PROPERTY, AREN'T THEY GOING TO BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE OR THE BUFFER?

>> SPEAKER: POSSIBLE RELOCATIONS MAY BE ON THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRAINAGE DITCH AND AN EASEMENT COULD BE GRANTED FOR ANY RELOCATIONS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. LET'S SEE.

THAT'S THAT ONE. TRAFFIC QUESTIONS.

H. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHEN YOU GET NORTH OF THAT BRIDGE, I KNOW THERE'S A DOT TURNING LANE ONCE HIT THE CONCRETE MEDIAN BUT THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY MEDIAN THERE AS SOON AS YOU GET OFF THE BRIDGE GOING NORTH. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> SPEAKER: NORTH OF THE BRIDGE YOU HAVE WHAT LOOKS LIKE MORE OF A TWO WAY HEFT TURN LANE ALSO REFER TO IT AS A TWILT ON EXAISH AND THEN IT GOES INTO A DEDICATED U-TURN AT JULINGTON CREEK. SO I DON'T WANT ORE WHERE YOUR QUESTION MAY BE GOING BUTTED, YES, THERE IS A TWO WAY TURN PLANE LANE. THEN IT BECOMES A DEDICATED

U-TURN AT JULINGTON. >> MR. MATOVINA: ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU GOAFORT THE BRIDGE IT'S ASPHALT.

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT, IT'S ASPHALT SO IT ALLOWS BOTH SOUTHBOUND AND NORTHBOUND CAN MAKE A LEFT TURN KIND OF LIKE A THREE. IT'S NOT A RESTRICTED ZONE SO THERE'S NOT A RAISED MEDIAN, A RAISED SEPARATED.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO SOMEONE MIGHT TRY TO MAKE A U-TURN AS SOON AS THEY GET OVER THE BRIDGE RATHER THAN TRYING TO GO DOWN TO

THE LIGHT. >> SPEAKER: ANY PERSON TODAY

IS DOING THAT ALREADY. >> MR. MATOVINA: PROBABLY SO.

>> SPEAKER: THAT IS CORRECT. >> MR. MATOVINA: I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY KIDS COME AT ONE TIME FOR THIS, BUT WHAT IS THE STACKING DISTANCE THAT IS NEEDED FOR THIS FACILITY?

>> SPEAKER: SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE QUEUE ANALYSIS.

THAT IS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS FROM DOT PFC WEI NOT UNDER THE DID QUEUE. WHAT THEY WANT TO KNOW IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF VEHICLES WE POTENTIALLY WILL HAVE IN THERE SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 25 VEHICLES AT A TIME OR IF THEY ALL CAME AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, YOU WOULD HAVE 25 VEHICLES AND THEN 25 FEET PER VEHICLE. I WISH I WAS A MATH CALCULATOR IN MY HEAD TO BE ABLE TO CALCULATE THAT SMNCHTS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THAT'S 625 FEET.

>> SPEAKER: CORRECT. WE WOULD MAKE CERTAIN AS A PART OF THE DESIGN IN COORDINATION WITH GULF STREAM THAT THERE IS A MINIMUM THAT AMOUNT OF QUEUE STORAGE IN THERE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: TOM, THIS QUESTION I THINK FOR YOU ALTHOUGH IT'S TRAFFIC RELIGHTED. YOUR NOTE THAT YOU HAVE ON THE PLAN SAYS "FINAL ACCESS TO BE DETERMINED BY FDOT AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY." DOES THAT MEAN THAT WHAT WE'RE APPROVING, IF WE APPROVE IT, MEANS THAT IF DOT SAYS WE'RE NOT ALLOWING THIS, THAT KAYSER A KAYE SERRA SERRA?

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S NOT THE INTENT AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY IF

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>> MR. MATOVINA: THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, TOM.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, SIR. AND AGAIN, I'M SORRY FOR

SPEAKING BACK TO THE AUDIENCE. >> MR. MATOVINA: IT'S OKAY.

YOU'RE ALL RIGHT. >> SPEAKER: I NEED TO WORK ON

THAT. >> MR. MATOVINA: I KNOW YOU GET PASSION ATD. IT'S OKAY.

I APPRECIATE IT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PUBLIC SPEAKING AT THIS TIME. YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES.

OOP, DR. HILSENBECK, I'M SORRY, DIN SEE YOU IN THE QUEUE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WAS JUST GOING TO AND THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT WHAT IS MOST OF THE DANGEROUS MANEUVERS -- LET ME PUT IT HAD THIS WAY. U-TURNS, HOW TAWRNLINGS DANGEROUS ARE U-TURNS, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF ACCIDENTS DO THEY CAUSE? IS THAT I DANGEROUS MANEUVER TO MIKE A U U-TURN? BECAUSE WE HAD A PROJECT PROPOSED BEFORE US, OH, PROBABLY FOUR, FIVE MONTHS AGO, AND ACTUALLY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS JUST TURNED THAT DOWN AT THEIR TUESDAY MEETING. WE HAD ALSO TURNED IT DOWN.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE TOUTING WAS PEOPLE WOULD BE MAKING U-TURNS OUT TO US-1, AND SO I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE ANSWER HERE, SO I JUST WONDERED WHAT YOU THOUGHT ABOUT HOW DANGEROUS TURCHLS ARE AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF ACCIDENTS THEY MIGHT CAUSE. U-TURNS.

>> SPEAKER: IN MY PERSONAL OPINION --

>> DR. HILSENBECK: HOW ABOUT PRESIDENTIAL?

>> SPEAKER: PROFESSIONAL HAVE PROFESSIONALLY IT DESCENDS EXAMINED ON HOW WELL YOU DESIGNED THE LOCATION.

IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY HIGH SPEED LOCATION POTENTIALLY US-1, THAT IS CURRENTLY I BELIEVE FOUR LANE, THAT SHOULD BE SIX LANE, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO HAVE A SEMI -- THAT'S HIGH TRUCK TRAFFIC, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE U-TURNS, YOU DO NOT REALLY HAVE THE ROOM. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THAT TURNING RADIUS THAT THEY CAN HAVE TO MAKE THAT TURN.

SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S AVAILABLE.

THEN IF IF YOU WANT TO RESTRICT IT FROM THE FRUKS BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT CAN HAPPEN THEN WE START PUTTING UP SIGNS THAT STAY NO U-TURN. THE COMPLICATION AND DANGER AFTER A U-TURN IS WHAT IS YOUR FOOTPRINT THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE IN WHICH TO PUT THE U-TURN AND THEN THE IMAFT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT THERE AS WELL AS ANY LEFT TURN LANE, WHETHER IT'S PAY U-TURN OR LEFT TURN, IS THAT MERGE DISTANCE THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE FOR IT. SO WHAT IS THAT PERCENTAGE OF CRASHES? I'M GOING TO GO WITH HERE'S WHAT DOT SAYS. THEY PREFER U-TURNS OVER A SIGNAL. THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE SAFER. BUT IT'S ALSO THAT CAVEAT DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION AND THE BEST WAY THAT IT NEEDS TO FUNCTION. THAT PERCENTAGE, I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE CRASH MOSK FACTOR WHICH DID MODIFICATION FACTOR FROM WHWA HOSTS THAT INCLUDES NATIONAL AND FLORIDA STATISTICS AS TO WHAT IS THAT CRASH REDUCTION.

I CAN LOOK THAT UP AND GET IT BACK TO YOU LATER, BUT I WOULD ROUGHLY SAY AWARE LOOKING AT ABOUT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL CAN REDUCE CRASHES 25 TO 50 PERCENT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANGLE CRASHES AND YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE TYPE OF CRASHES THAT WE'RE REDUCING. TRAFFIC SIGNALS CAN REDUCE ANGLE CRASHES BUT HAS A TENDENCY TO BRING UP REAR END CRASHES DUE TO DRIVER BEHAVIOR WHERE SOME WILL RUN A YELLOW LIGHT, SOME WILL NOT, AND THE DRIVER BEHIND ONE OF THEM RUN AND IT THEY REAR END. DRIVER BEHAVIOR IN THAT RESPECT.

A U-TURN IN THIS CASE WHAT WE'RE REQUIRING, THAT COULD BE ABOUT A 25% REDUCTION IN CRASHES FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT NOW IT'S NOT A COST ASSOCIATED WITH PUTTING UP A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO FDOT PREFERS U-TURNS AS OPPOSED TO A

DISMALLIZED INTERSECTION. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT.

ON A SIDE NOTE WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH TWO ISSUES ON US-1 WHERE TWO HERBAL POTENTIALLY YOU DON'T WE GET A SIGNAL, ALL

U-TURNS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M THINKING BUT ON DUVAL SIDE OF THE BRIDGE ON STATE ROAD 13 THERE, AND YOU SAID THAT SOLID TRAFFIC LANES AND ASPHALT ACROSS

IS THERE. >> SPEAKER: SEE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THERE IS A DEDICATED SIGNALIZED AT JULINGTON U-TURN.

THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO DOES NOT HAVE THAT.

SO YOU HAVE KIND OF IT'S THE ROAD, DON'T QUOTE WE MAO DAUS I BECAUSE I CAN'T THINK OF THE ROAD THAT'S COMING OUT THAT THEY MAKE A LEFT IN THAT TIONZ TO THE FISH CAMP.

I AM IN THE PROCESS GOING INTO THE CRASHES.

THERE HAVE BEEN 231 CRASHES BETWEEN WENTWORTH AND JULINGTON CREEK IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 75% OF THEM ARE ON THE DUVAL SIDE. BETWEEN THAT SECTION.

OKAY. IS AND THEY ARE ASSOCIATE WITH THE SIGNAL, THE U FURN AND THOSE MAKING THE TURN THAT DOES NOT HAVE A RAISED RESPIRATOR. HOWEVER, THAT IS DID ACCEPT RARITY. HOWEVER THAT IS TODAY'S, THE PAST AND GOING TO BE THE FUTURE SITUATION, THAT THOSE CRASHES WILL STILL OCCUR WITH OR WITHOUT A ROWING SCHOOL.

THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THAT ASPECT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DOT NEEDS TO ADDRESS OVERALL.

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, DR. HILSENBECK.

NOW LET'S MOVE ON TO PUBLIC SPEAKING.

HOW MANY CARDS DO WE HAVE? SO WE HAVE 32 CARDS.

BY MY MATH THAT'S TWO HOURS. SO ROUGHLY.

SO PLEASE TRY NOT TO REPEAT BUT I DON'T WANT TO STIFLE ANYBODY FROM IEWRNTION THEIR THREE MINUTES, BUT TO THE EXTENT YOU

CAN, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> MS. PERKINS: JEFFRY BUKOWSKI. AFTER JENNIFER IS LISA DEL ROC

OH. >> MR. MATOVINA: IF YOU'RE NEXT UP, IF YOU COULD DEFINED MOVE TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE ROOM, THAT MIGHT SAVE US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME WHEN WE'VE GOT 32 PEOPLE. JENNIFER, YOU'RE UP.

>> MS. PERKINS: MY NAME IS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE HNCHTS.

>> SPEAKER: I'M HAVING TROUBLE HEARING.

>> MS. PERKINS: MY NAME IS FOR THE RECORD.

>> SPEAKER: JENNIFER BUT 2727 KELLEHER COURT, ST. JOHNS AND JULINGTON CREEK PLANTATION. MY SON GRADUATED FIVE YEARS AGO FROM HIGH SCHOOL, CREEKSIDE. HE STARTED ROWING WITH RONNIE WHEN HE WAS 11. HE SWAM ON BULL'S FROM THE TIME HE WAS YOUNGER THAN THAT, AND THE ROWING IS CLOSE TO JUST BULL STUDENTS SO THAT'S CLEAR. YOU JUST WANT TO GO BOLL'S AND ROW LIKE YOU CAN GO AND SWIM. SO SWIM TEAM AT BOLL'S HAS THE BOLL'S HIGH SCHOOL TEAM AND A CLUB HELM TEAM.

THE ROWING DOES NOT, SO YOU CAN'T ROW THERE.

MY SON WANTED TO ROW. WE STARTED OUT WITH A CAMP THERE. WE MOVED TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WE MOVED TO FLORIDA FROM NEW YORK STATE AND I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT EDUCATION SYSTEM COMPARED TO NEW YORK STATE, AND WE CHOSE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BECAUSE OF THE EDUCATION, AND WHEN WE FIRST CAME DOWN HERE, DID I NOT BELIEVE REALLY IN PUTTING KIDS IN ORGANIZED SPORTS UNTIL THEY WERE OLDER.

IT'S WHAT SAVED MY SON. HE HAS A LEARNING DISABILITY.

HE HAS ADHD. HE HAS A SPEED PROCESSING PROBLEM. ALL THAT, HE DIDN'T TALK UNTIL AFTER HE WAS THREE. SCHOOL, THEY WANTED TO RETAIN HIM IN KINDERGARTEN AND IN FIRST, AND WE PUSHED IT THROUGH.

IF IT WEREN'T FOR SPORTS, FOOTBALL, HE DID FLAG FOOTBALL, BASEBALL, HE DID SOCCER. HE ENDED UP SWIMMING AND ROWING AND HE ENDED UP GETTING A SCHOLARSHIP IN COLLEGE FOR SWIMMING, AND THAT'S WHY HE ENDED UP CHOOSING SWIM CAN, BUT HE WAS A FAIRLY GOOD ROWER AND HE COULD HAVE ROWED IN COLLEGE FOR THAT, TOO, BUT THE MONEY WAS BETTER FOR THE SWIMMING.

BUT THE IMPACT IT HAD ON HIM WAS TREMENDOUS.

UNTIL HE WAS ABOUT 13, 14, HE GRAVITATED TOWARD THE TROUBLEMAKERS. HE GRAVITATED -- HE J DIDN'T HAVE ANY SELF-ESTEEM. BECAUSE HE WASN'T GOOD ANOTHER FOOTBALL, BECAUSE HE WASN'T GOOD, THAT DOESN'T HELP, BASEBALL. HE COULD HIT BUT HE COULDN'T CATCH. ADHD OUT LOOKING AT THE BIRDS.

SO THE SWIMMING AND THE ROWING GAVE HIM A CHANCE TO SHINE, AND THAT IMPACT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT. RONNIE TOOK ME OUT ON THE WATER.

YOU DO NOT HEAR THE BOATS. YOU DON'T HEAR THE SKULLS.

YOU DO NOT HEAR THEM AT ALL FROM THE SIDE OF THE SHORE.

WHEN WE WERE ON THE -- I WENT OUT WITH HIM ON THE BOAT.

YOU HEAR IT IN THERE BUT IT'S NOT LOUD LIKE THAT WAS IN THAT VIDEO. BUT WHAT IT DID FOR HIM, IT GAVE HIM THE CHANCE TO SHINE. THE IMPACT, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THINGS, YES, BUT THE IMPACT TO GIVE PEOPLE ADDITIONAL CHANCES OF TRYING SOMETHING THAT THEY MIGHT BE GOOD AT IS SO IMPORTANT. I HOPE YOU CAN COME TO A WAY OF GETTING HIM A CHANCE FOR OTHER KIDS LIKE HIM AND NOT JUST IN THE ORGANIZED SPORTS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE COMMON.

THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU.

LISA DEL ROCCA. AND AFTER LISA IS BEN BARNIA.

>> SPEAKER: HI. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? LISA DELLA ROCCO 1621 CHRISTINE COURT, ST. JOHNS, FLORIDA 32259.

LITERALLY RIGHT OVER THE BRIDGE BY THE NEW PROPOSED SITE.

SO I WILL ALSO BE AFFECTED BY THIS POTENTIALLY ON A DAILY

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YOU'RE HAVING AN INCREASED PETTY CRIME IN HAD AREA, CAR BREAK-INS, DRAG RACING, KIDS SMOKING WEED.

THIS IS A WAY TO DO GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

THIS IS A WAY THAT THEY CAN FIT IN, BELONG, GET THEM OFF THE STREET. THEY WILL BE PUT IN A HOME ENVIRONMENT. IT BECOMES A SECOND FAMILY.

IT'S NOT JUST A SPORT. THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO GET ACROSS. IT GIVES THEM A SENSE OF BELONGING. IT TEACHES THEM TO PUSH PAST THEIR LIMITS. MY DAUGHTER GRADUATED IN 2020 FROM CREEKSIDE. SHE'S NOW A BIOMEDICAL ENGINEERING WITH PHYSICS MINOR AT FSU.

SHE WOULD NEVER HAVE HAD THAT STAMINA HAD SHE NOT LEARNED HOW TO PERSEVERE. I WAS A CHAPERONE FOR THE TEENS WHENEVER WE WENT TO OTHER REGATTAS.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT NONE OF THE REGATTAS ARE HELD ON THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

THEY'RE NOT HELD AT THE PRACTICE SITES.

THEY'RE DEDICATED LOCATIONS. WE'LL CLOG UP THE HIGHWAY OVER BY BOLL'S WHICH IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A DIRECT LEFT TURN.

THEY HAVE REGATTAS THERE. THEY HAVE THEM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. AND I WOULD TAKE A CARLOAD OF TEENS THAT WOULD NEVER GET TO SEE THESE PLACES OTHERWISE AND THE THINGS THAT YOU LEARN IN THE CAR WITH THE TEENS WAS JUST BEYOND BELIEF, AND IT WAS MY FAVORITE PART OF BEING A PARENT OF TEENS. THEY ARE UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE, GUYS, FROM GETTING INTO COLLEGES, PAYING STUDENT DEBT, ALWAYS TRYING TO OUTDO ONE ANOTHER IN HIGH SCHOOL.

THIS WAS THEIR ONLY SAFE PLACE TO GO.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE ON SAN JOSE BOULEVARD OR THAT POVMENTD POINTED, JULINGTON CREEK, MANDARIN, THERE IS NO OTHER LOCATION THAT THESE KIDS CAN GO.

>> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU. BEN BARNIA, AND AFTER BEN IS

PHYLLIS OBVIOUSTELL OH. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU FORE ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TO ALL OF YOU.

MY WIFE AND I ARE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY 12 STATE ROAD 13.

AND I'VE LISTENED TO YOUR CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY DR. HILSENBECK. YOU'VE MADE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS. AND WHOLE TEAM IS WORKING TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS AND ANYONE ELSE ON THE BOARD IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OF WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE IT A REASONABLE LOCATION FOR AN EXCELLENT ENTERPRISE FOR THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. NOW, I'M JUST A LITTLE PERPLEXED. THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY DOES NOT BELONG TO ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, SO YOU OUGHT TO REMOVE THAT CONCEPT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS THE ONLY RESIDENCE THAT HAS A DIRECT ACCESS TO STATE ROAD 13.

THAT'S THE WAY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SET IT UP, TAKING AWAY 1 ACRE OF THE SOUTHERN PART OF THAT PROPERTY FOR A RETENTION POND AND DROPPING THE ROADWAY RIGHT ONTO THE STATE ROAD 13. THE COUNTY AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA DID THAT. NOW, ISN'T THAT INTERESTING THAT FOR A DECADES A FAMILY HAS BEEN LIVING THERE BUT YET NO ONE SEEMED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY ALL THESE YEARS, NO ONE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE MAILMAN WHO HAS TO DELIVER TO OUR MAILBOX AT A FULL STANDSTILL ON THAT STATE ROAD 13.

NO ONE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SANITATION TRUCK THAT HAS TO COME TO A COMPLETE STOP ON STATE ROAD 13.

WHERE IS THE CONCERN? WHAT HAPPENED? WHY DIDN'T ANYBODY COME OUT AND SAY, OH, WE SHOULDN'T DO THIS? FALSE FLAG IS WHAT YOU'RE HEARING.

OKAY? WE ARE WRONG AS A TEAM TO PROVIDE WHATEVER THE COUNTY HAS REQUESTED, AND WE WILL DO THAT.

WE ARE WORKING AS A TEAM. WE ALL KNOW THAT THIS IS AN EXCELLENT ENTERPRISE FOR THE CITIZENS OF NORTH ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT'S WONDERFUL FOR THE KIDS.

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WE NEED TO GUARANTEE THEM AN OUTLET TO THE JULINGTON CREEK THAT IS SAFE FOR EVERYONE, THAT'LL BE HEALTHY FOR EVERYONE, AND NOT LOOK FOR SOME NIT-PICK EXCUSE THAT, OH, SUDDENLY IT'S NOT SAFE AFTER 20 YEARS WHEN NO ONE OBJECTED TO ANYTHING.

NOW SUDDENLY IT'S NOT SAFE. DID THE U.S. POST OFFICE SAY IT'S NOT SAFE FOR THEIR MAIL MEN TO DLAIFORT COMPLETE STANDSTILL TO MY MAILBOX? NO ONE OBJECTED.

WHY ARE WE SUL OBJECTING NOW? THERE'S ONLY ONE NEIGHBOR, DR. HILSENBECK 1 ONE NEIGHBOR THAT'S IMPACTED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO SEE OUR PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.

ONE. THESE IT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: EXCUSE ME. YOU'RE NOT HERE TO DEBATE WITH DR. HILSENBECK. YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS

ENTIRE BOARD. >> SPEAKER: THEN I SAY TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE I HEARD THE PLEURAL NEIGHBORS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YOU'RE STILL NOT HERE TO DEBATE WITH HIM.

>> MS. PERKINS: PHYLLIS OBTELL OH AND MR. ABTELL A YOU'LL BE

NEXT. >> SPEAKER: I EVER A PICTURE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW. SHOULD I PUT IT UP HERE?

>> MS. PERKINS: YES, MA'AM. 67 .

>> SPEAKER:NESS A PICTURE OF >> SPEAKER: THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE AREA, AND IT REALLY IS A BEAUTIFUL AREA.

>> MS. PERKINS: CAN YOU STATE YOUR MY NAME IS SNAIMENTDZ FOR

THE RECORD LORDZ. >> SPEAKER: I APOLOGIZED.

PHYLLIS I LIVE ANOTHER 1133 RIVER BIRCH ROAD IN FRUIT COVE.

AND AS I WAS SAYING, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE BRIDGE.

THIS IS DUVAL. AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY HERE.

IT'S VERY LOVELY AND SCENIC. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST MADE A COME THAT NOBODY CARED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY. THAT WAS ONE CAR GOING IN THERE FOR THE POST OFFICE AND PEOPLE WOULD STOP FOR IT, FOR THE GARBAGE TRUCK, PEOPLE WOULD SLAM ON THEIR BRAKES FOR THE MAILMAN, BUT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE. PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO GIVE THEM THE SAME COURTESY AS THEY DO THESE BIG TRUCKS.

ANYWAY, MY CONCERN IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING FOR THIS AREA TO ACCOMMODATE A CLUB. THE CLUB, YES, THERE'S NO DENYING THAT IT DOESN'T DO WONDERS FOR THE KIDS, BUT IT'S NOT DOING -- GOING TO DO WONDERS FOR THE AREA.

IT'S GOIBILITYD DANGEROUS FOR THE D. GOING TO BE DANGEROUS FOR THE CARS COMING OVER THE BRIDGE AND DRIVING DOWN STATE ROAD 13.

MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR TWIEWR 24 YEARS AND WE WORKED HARD. I AM AN OFFICER OF THE WILLIAM BARTRAM SCENIC AND HISTORIC HIGHWAY, AND WE'VE WORKED HARD TO PROTECT THE ROADWAY AND WHAT'S ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROADWAY FROM PEOPLE PUTTING IN THINGS THAT REALLY DON'T BELONG THERE. THIS GENTLEMAN ALSO SAID THERE'S NO OTHER PLACE FOR THEM TO GO. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY LOOKED, BUT CLARKS FISH CAMP IS FOR SALE.

IT HAS A BOAT RAMP. IT HAS PLENTY OF STORAGE.

IT HAS A LARGE PARKING LOT. AND THEY COULD EVEN HAVE A PLACE FOR THE KIDS TO HAVE REFRESHMENTS IF THEY WANT A PERMANENT PROPERTY. I'M MAKING THAT AS A SUGGESTION.

AND PEOPLE IN THAT AREA ARE VERY USED TO CARS COMING IN AND OUT BECAUSE IT WAS A RESTAURANT. SO THEY MIGHT WANT TO THINK OF THAT AND SEE IF THAT WOULD FIT THEM BECAUSE IT'S THE JULINGTON CREEK THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. IT'S A QUIET AREA THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THAT THE KIDS CAN GO IN AND DO THEIR BOATING.

BUT TO CHANGE THE ZONING JUST FOR ONE GROUP IS SETTING A VERY BAD PRECEDENT, AND I'M ASKING THAT YOU REALLY, REALLY AND TRULY THINK ABOUT THIS. THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SETTING ON THE SCENIC HIGHWAY.

THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU.

MR. ABTELL OH AND AFTER IS HOBOKENY ANDERSON.

HOBBY ANDERSON. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

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I'M AL ABTELL OH 11LY 3 RIVER BIRCH ROAD IN FRUIT COVE, AND I'M ALSO CHAIR OF THE MANY WITH BARTRAM SCENIC AND HISTORIC MANAGEMENT GROUP WHO AS MY WIFE COVMENTD WE HAVE SPENT MANY YEARS TRYING TO PROTECT THE SCENIC HIGHWAY AND TO KEEP IT SCENIC AND HISTORIC. WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IS AGAIN, AS MY WIFE HAD POINTED OUT, A PHOTOGRAPH, WHICH REALLY I CALL IT THE GATEWAY TO HISTORIC ST. JOHNS COUNTY, HISTORIC FRUIT COVE AREA, AND IT'S GENERALLY BEEN, AND EVERYTHING THE HISTORIC ST. JOHNS RIVER. NOTORIOUSLY IT'S BEEN A VERY QUIET AREA AS FAR AS THE FRUIT COVE AREA IS CONCERNED.

ADDRESSING THE COMMENTS OF THE GENTLEMAN THAT TALKED ABOUT NO ONE CARED ABOUT SAFETY, WELL, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS MY WIFE AND I, WE'VE BEEN -- WITH THE YEARS WE'VE BEEN WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WHEN WE FIRST MOVED HERE IN 1998 WITH THERE WASN'T OCCASIONAL VEHICLE THAT SHOWED UP COMING ACROSS THE BRIDGE, SO WHOEVER WAS OWNING THAT PROPERTY HAD NO PARTICULAR REAL PROBLEMS IN GETTING IN AND OUT OF THAT PROPERTY.

BUT WITH TODAY'S TRAFFIC, AND IT'S NOT TRAVELING 45 MILES AN HOUR, IT'S TRAVELING 50 AND SOMETIMES 60 MILES AN HOUR COMING ACROSS THAT BRIDGE, AND THAT'S THE REASON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS GOT A MONITOR THERE WARNING PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN.

SO THE FACT IS THEY'RE STILL TRAVELING AT HIGH SPEEDS.

SO TURNING OFF INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT TO THE ROW CLUB IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. AND THE FACT THAT WE'VE SEEN ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE CREWS AND THE FACT THAT THEY WILL BE IN THREE TO FOUR TIMES A WEEK PRACTICING AND PERHAPS SOME COMPETITION SAYS THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF THAT FACILITY, AND THERE IS NO FACILITY FOR A U-TURN WHERE YOU CAN MAKE AI IT HAD SAFELY.

IN FACT, THERE WAS A TIME ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO I TRIED WALKING ACROSS WITH MY BICYCLE IN THAT GENERAL AREA, AND I COULDN'T -- I HAD TO WAIT TEN MINUTES BEFORE I COULD EVEN GET A BREAK TO GET ONTO THE ISLAND 1K3 ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES TO GET ACROSS, SO THERE WILL BE A WHOLE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRACK OF IN THAT AREA.

AND DON'T LET ANYONE KID YOU. WE'VE HEARD WHATD TRAFFIC REPRESENTATIVE, THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF TRAFFIC CRASHES IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, SO WITH THE KIND OF VOLUME WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE AT THE EVANS ROWING CLUB IF THAT IS APPROVED, IT'S JUST GOING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND POTENTIALLY DEATH EXPONENTIALLY, SO WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE DENY THIS PROJECT.

THE THEY'RE FACT IS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR HALF A DOZEN DIFFERENT WAIVERS, AND THE FACT IS IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR WAIVERS, THEN THAT DOESN'T BELONG THERE.

THANK YOU. >> MR. PETER: HOBBY ANDERSON

AND THEN JOHN COOPER. >> SPEAKER: IT'S HOBIE ANDERSON AND I'M 1848 HICKORY TRACE DRIVE IN FLORIDA SO I'M IN A NEIGHBORING COUNTY. JUST TO SHOW YOU HOW UNIQUE EFNS IS, WE WERE -- OUR DAUGHTER WHOSE NAME IS ASHLAND, SHE'S NOW A JUNIOR AT ST. JOHN COUNTRY DAY SCHOOL SHE WAS ROWING WITH THE EVANS CLUB BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY IN THIS SPORT.

I ACTUALLY RETIRED A NAVY COMMANDER.

IF LIVED ALL OVER HAWAII, SAN DIEGO AND NORTHEAST FLORIDA FORE A SHORT PERIOD BACK THE IN '90S.

CAME BACK HERE TO LIVE WITH MY THE PEOPLE IN PERMANENT RETIREMENT MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE THE AREA PROVIDES. AND EVANS IS ONE OF THOSE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE KIDS CAN HAVE THAT CAN'T BE DUPLICATED BECAUSE, YES, AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, BOLL'S AT EPISCOPAL IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE YOUR KID TO SCHOOL THERE AND YOU CAN AFFORD IT HAD, THEY CAN ROW THERE. THIS IS THE ONE OPPORTUNITY THAT A KID THAT ISN'T GOING TO BE GOING TO EPISCOPAL OR BOLL'S IS ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE SOUTH OF NORTHEAST ITALY, AND THEY COMPETE IN THE SAME COMPETITIONS.

THEY CAN COMPETE FOR THE SAME SCHOLARSHIPS.

THEY HAVE THE SAME CAMARADERIE. IN ADDITION A CLUE EXRIEW IN A UNIQUE SPORT IN THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE EXTRAORDINARILY GIFTED IN WI ANY ONE OF THE NORMAL ATHLETIC SKILLS. IT'S BASICALLY YOUR DEDICATION, YOUR DISCIPLINE, YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR TEAM WORK THAT GETS YOU PAST THE NORMAL BARRIERS TO SPORTS.

SO A LOT OF THESE KIDS WOULDN'T BE GETTING A SPORE SCHOLARSHIP IN SOME OTHER SPORT IF THEY WANTED TO, SO THIS IS THE ONE SPORT WHERE ANY KID CAN JOIN LATER IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND STILL DO A SUCCESSFUL JOB. ANYWAY, I TO KEEP IT SHORT AND

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WITH THE BOATS ON NARROWER CREEKS IT'S A MUCH MORE DANGEROUS SITUATION. JULINGTON CREEK OFFERS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO ROW WITH A LESS SHELTER FROM THE WIND AND OUT OF THE BIGGER RIVER ISSUES WHICH YOU HAVE WHICH IS USUALLY A LOT MORE WAKES WHICH YOU CAN'T DO WITH THE ROWING.

ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THANKS FOR YOUR

CONSIDERATION. >> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU.

JOHN COOPER. AND AFTER JOHN COOPER.

IS HAL DAVIS. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M JOHN COOPER 1200 -- ST. JOHNS, FLORIDA.

I'M A DOCTOR, I'M AN ENGINEER AND 40, FLIEF-MILE-AN-HOUR IS 666 FEET PER SECOND AND IN THREE SECTS AMNESTY 198 FEET.

I AGREE WITH THE LAST PRESENTER. MOST TIMES PEOPLE COMING ACROSS THAT BRIDGE ARE WELL IN EXCESS OF 45 AND THERE IS A SPEED THING ON THE SOUTH SIDE, HEADING SOUTH TELLING YOU HOW FAST YOU'RE GOING AND EVERYBODY SLAMS ON THEIR BRAKES WHEN THEY SEE IT BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY CAN GET A TICKET.

AT 60 MOWMS THAT'S 88 FEET PER SECOND.

OKAY. MY COMPLAINT IS I LOVE THE ROWING CLUB. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER WITH THEM. I THINK IT'S EXCELLENT.

IT'S THE TRAFFIC. THE PEOPLE FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY, TO GET TO THIS FACILITY WILL HAVE TO CROSS THE ONLY ROUTE INTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY FROM DUVAL COUNTY CALLED THE JULINGTON CREEK, AND COMING NORTH ON JULINGTON CREEK TO THE OTHER SIDE THERE IS, AS THEY SAY, A VERY WIDE EXPANSE OF CONCRETE AND PEOPLE INVARIABLY TRY TO MAKE A U-TURN THERE.

MY WIFE WILL NOT LET ME BECAUSE IT'S SO SCARY.

AT RUSH HOUR, SOUTHBOUND ON STATE ROAD 13, WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS RED AT JULINGTON CREEK, ALL OF THE TRAFFIC FROM JULINGTON CREEK ROAD COME OUT. THERE'S NEVER A BREAK IN TRAFFIC. IT'S PERPETUAL TRAFFIC.

ALL THESE PICTURES THEY'RE SHOWING WERE YOU'LL TAKEN PROBABLY AT NOON OR 1:00 AT. AT RUSH HOUR IT'S NOT LIKE THAT AT ALL. SO THAT'S BASICALLY IT.

AGAIN, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ROWING.

I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL. I'M NOT VERY ATHLETIC MYSELF.

BUT BEYOND THAT MY CONCERN IS FOR THE TRAFFIC AND THE KIDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE, AS AS WE MENTIONED DOLLARS, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HIT IN THAT AREA.

THOSE ARE KIDS. I HAVE SIX GRANDKIDS WITH SEVEN GREAT-GRANDKIDS. I WOULDN'T WOULDN'T THEM TURNING THERE HENCHTS HAL DAVIS, AND AFTER HAL IS MR. AND MRS. FISHER. I'M SORRY.

I CAN'T READ YOUR HANDWRITING. >> SPEAKER: HI.

I'M HAL DAVIS. MY WIFE AND MYSELF LIVE AT FLEAN FIERCH WENTWORTH AVENUE AND WE ARE WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE PROPERTY AND WE CAN SEE THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.

WE'RE NOT THE ONLY NEIGHBOR THAT CAN SEE THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. BUT WE'RE NO EACH RIGHT NEXT DPOAR AND WE CAN SEE IT. AND I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ROWING. IN FACT I THINK ROWING IS WONDERFUL. I'VE LIVED IN HAWAII AS A KID AND I LIVED ON THE POTOMAC RIVER AND PADDLED ALL MY LIFE, BUT ALWAYS IN HAWAII THE ROWING CLUBS AND THE PADDLING CLUBS ARE AT PUBLIC PARKS. LIKE THE MANDARIN PUBLIC PARK RIGHT ACROSS THE RIVER ON JULINGTON CREEK.

AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHY IT HAS TO BE NIGH NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE OURS. AND YOU HEARD ALL THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS. WHEN WE MOVED THERE OVER 35 YEARS AGO, THERE WERE -- A CAR WOULD GO ACROSS THAT BRIDGE ONCE EVERY 15 MINUTES, AND NOW, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE.

ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY. WE ARE OPPOSED, DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO HAVING A COMMERCIAL ZONING CHANGE RIGHT THERE.

>> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU. >> .

MR. AND MRS. FISHER. AND THEN AFTER MR. FISHER IS

RENEE ROBERT. >> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS GUY, GUY FISHER 208 ST. JOHN AVENUE, GREEN COVE SPRINGS, FLORIDA, AND I AM HERE TO PROPOSE APPROVAL FOR THE EVANS ROWING CLUB.

I GUESS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY, MOST EVERYTHING'S BEEN SAID HERE TONIGHT, IT SEEMS LIKE, ON BOTH SIDES OR ONE OR THE OTHER, AND I GUESS BEST LEFT UP TO THIS, BUT THIS EVANS CLUB HAS A MISSION STATEMENT THAT'S VERY MUCH LIKE POW, THE OLDEST ST. JOHNS COUNTY ORGANIZATION THAT'S REALLY YOUTH EAR YEN TAITD, AND THIS IS

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THEY COME TO YOU WITH A GIFT. THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR HAND OUT FOR ANY MONEY. NEV THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF EQUIPMENT. TBHEESDZ BOATS COST $25,000 AND $30,000 JUST THE AVERAGE 40 FOOTER.

SO THEY COME TO YOU AS A GIFT TO PROVIDE SOMETHING FOR CHILDREN HERE WITH THEIR EQUIPMENT, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A POLICE UNIFORM ON, BUT WHEN THOSE KIDS LOOK UP TO THOSE COACHES, YOU'RE RIGHT, MY SON WILL TFL TESTIFY THAT THEYWORK WITH THEIR EXPLARP YOU CAN'T GO OUT THERE AND JUST BE PHYSICALLY FIT.

THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT GRADES YOU'RE MAKING.

THEY LOOK AT YOUR REPORT CARD. YOU'VE GOT TO BE MAKING GRADES TO COME OUT THERE AND BE ON THEIR TEAM, SO WHEN THEY GET THROUGH, THEY DO A GREAT JOB PROVIDING SCHOLARSHIPS AND THOOKLY GETTING THE KIDS TOGETHER TO ACT LIKE THEY WANT TO GO ON TO SOMETHING ELSE HIGHER, AND I THINK THAT THEY POINTED OUT, THEY RECOGNIZE THE INGRESS AND EGRESS AND SAFETY CONCERNS REALLY WELL TONIGHT BY HAVING SOME ASTUTE ANALYSIS TO PUT ON THE SCALE TO SAY WE'RE WORKING WITH YOU, AND I LOVE THE OWNER'S STATEMENTS BEFORE WHERE HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO FILL IN THE GAPS. WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS? THAT'S THE WAY YOU DESIGN THINGS FOR CHILDREN.

I'M SORRY CHILDREN WEREN'T THOUGHT OF WHEN ALL THESE REGULATIONS WERE MADE. NOBODY STOPPED AND SAID, WELL, I WONDER WHAT'LL HAPPEN WHEN THE KIDS GET OLDER.

WHAT ARE THEIR NEEDS? THERE WAS NO WAY TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE AND SEE THE THING THAT WOULD CHANGE.

BUT THESE KIDS THAT COME OUT OF EVANS CAN CHANGE SOME OF THE WORLD. WE NEED PEOPLE LIKE THE EVANS STANDING UP THERE TO TEACH, SPEND TIME WITH OUR KIDS TODAY.

THEY DON'T NEED TO BE SITTING THERE ON THE PHONE, INTERNET, BACK AND FORTH AND STAYING INDOORS.

THEY NEED TO BE OUTSIDE. THEY NEED TO LEARN HOW TO COMPETE, HOW TO BE TEAM MEMBERS AND BE LEADERS.

AND I JUST HOPE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL LOOK DEEP IN THEIR HEART TO ANALYZE THIS.

AND I GUESS THE BEST WAY SIMPLY YOU COULD USE THE OLD ROMAN SCALE, THE GOOD AND THE BAD THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.

NOTHING HAS BEEN PRESENTED BUT KIDS WITH FACTS THAT MY SON IS 23 AND YOU MIGHT ASK HOW DOES AN 85-YEAR-OLD HAVE A 23-YEAR-OLD SON, AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LONG STORY RIGHT THERE, BUT I DO HAVE ONE, AND IF MY YOUNG WIFE CALLS HERE TONIGHT, YOU TELL HER I AM HERE. SHE'S ALREADY CALLED THREE TIMES TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE IN THE WORLD BY 60-YEAR-OLD WIFE THINKS I MIGHT BE. [LAUGHTER] BUT I TOLD HER I THINK WE'RE PREPARED TO GO TO MIDNIGHT TONIGHT THE WAY IT'S GOING. I'VE NEVER HAD SO MANY FUN.

I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE BIGGEST DEVELOPMENTS JACKSONVILLE, INDUSTRIAL PARK, EAST PARK INDUSTRIAL.

I'VE NEVER HAD SO MUCH FUN AS LISTENING TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS HERE TONIGHT AND STRUGGLES WITH FACTS THAT HAVE TO BE PRESENTED TO YOU GUYS TO MAKE DECISIONS.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEST FOR BOTH PARTIES, I GUESS I MIGHT SAY. ANYWAY, I JUST HOPE YOU'LL LOOK HARD AT THE OLD ROMAN SCALE, THE GOOD AND THE BAD, AND SEE WHERE IT COMES OUT BECAUSE HERE TONIGHT YOU PRESENTED

CHILDREN -- >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. FISHER WE

NEED FOY WRAP UP. >> SPEAKER: THEY NEED TO HAVE A PLACE TO GO TO AND THEY DON'T HAVE A POLICE UNIFORM BIKE PAL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. FISHER, YOUR TIME'S UP SIR, YOUR TIME IS

UP. >> SPEAKER: OH, OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: MR. RENEE ROBERT OR MRS. SORRY.

AFTER MR. ROBERT IS SHARON HARTSELL.

>> SPEAKER: JAMES REN ROBERTS AND I'M AT -- FRUIT COVE.

AND WE CAREFULLY THROIFNTD TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ENGINEER'S STUDIES OF ADDRESSING THE DECELERATION LANE BUT WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT AN ACCELERATION LANE WHEN EXITING THE PROPERTY ONTO STATE ROAD 13. AS WE'VE MENTIONED, THERE ARE PLENTY CARS EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT AND JUST THOUGHT ABOUT THE CONCERNS OF PEOPLE LEAVING THAT PROPERTY INTO TRAFFIC THAT MAY BE COMING AT THEM AT 55 MILES AN HOUR.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU. MS. HARTSELL.

AND AFTER MS. HARTSELL IS ELLEN WHITMER.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M SHARON HARTSELL, 1471 FRUIT COVE ROAD NORTH, ST. JOHNS. I'M -- THERE'S LOTS TO SAY, BUT WE HAVE A VERY NICE PRESENTATION THAT'S COMING TO YOU FROM THE WHOLE GROUP, SO I'M JUST GOING TO MENTION A COUPLE THINGS THAT I DON'T BELIEVE I WANT TO EMPHASIZE.

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MINE ARE THE ONLY ONES ON THAT AREA THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPED AND EVERY OTHER ONE HAS HOUSES OR SOMETHING ON THEM.

IT'S NOT JUST TEN HOUSES WHO DON'T WANT ANYBODY AROUND.

IT AFFECTS A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THERE.

IT AFFECTS A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING ON FURTHER DOWN TO WHERE YOU RUN INTO THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS WHERE YOU CAN EASILY DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC. I THINK YOU'LL HEAR OVER AND OVER FROM US THAT WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO ROWING AND WE ARE NOT OPPOSED FOR GOOD THINGS FOR KIDS TO DO.

I HAVE SPENT MOST OF MY LIFE, WHETHER IT WAS AS A VOLUNTEER AT SCHOOLS OR ON THE SCHOOL BOARD LEER IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY OR COACHING LITTLE LEAGUE OR MY GRANDCHILDREN, MY CHILDREN AND EVERYBODY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I'VE SUPPORTED, I'VE DONATED MONEY, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR THEM. I WOULD DO ANYTHING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER SO THAT YOUNG PEOPLE GROW UP TO BE RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS IN OUR COUNTRY, IN OUR COMMUNITY, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT SOMETIMES THE RIGHT THING IS IN THE WRONG PLACE.

AND I THINK THIS IS THE WRONG PLACE.

I THINK THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I THINK IT'S THE WRONG PLACE. THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: MS. WHITMER.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS ELLEN WHITMER AND I RESIDE AT 1178 NATURE'S HAMMOCK ROAD SOUTH, FRUIT COVE OR ST. JOHNS, FLORIDA 32259. WHEN I FIRST CAME TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY MANY YEARS AGO, ACTUALLY STATE ROAD 13 OR SAN JOSE BOULEVARD WAS A TWO-LANE ROAD, SO THERE WAS NOT A NEED FOR EVEN A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THE END OF MY COLLECTOR ROAD WHICH IS FRUIT COVE ROAD. IT WAS VERY EASY TO ACCESS THE ROADWAY, TO GET IN AND OUT, NO PROBLEM AT ALL, BUT, OF COURSE, THAT HAS CHANGED. BUT LISTENING TO THIS PRESENTATION TODAY, I WAS INTRIGUED WHEN THE REPRESENTATIVE SAID THAT THIS PROJECT WAS DENIED IN DUVAL COUNTY, ALTHOUGH THEY HAD A RIGHT TO DO IT.

WELL, OBVIOUSLY THE COURT FELT DIFFERENTLY THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO THIS TYPE OF PROJECT IN DUVAL COUNTY.

IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, I GUESS THEY COULD GO ELSEWHERE IN DUVAL COUNTY AND TRY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT REPLICATES THEIR NEEDS.

THIS IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE, AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT HERE, BY OTHER SPEAKERS, THOOS THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY, BUT THIS SEAR AREAA RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY AREA.

PEOPLE HAVE INVESTED THEIR LIVELIHOODS AND THEIR LIVES INTO THE AREA. IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED.

WHEN PEOPLE DO DECIDE TO INVEST IN AN AREA, THEY USUALLY DO THEIR HOMEWORK, AND THERE'S A LEVEL OF CERTAINTY WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE ZONING IN THE AREA AND IF THEY LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF THERE IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THERE IS IN THIS AREA, THIS TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT IS NOT ALLOWED.

IT MAY HAVE BENEFITS FOR A FEW BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE BENEFITS FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. NOT REALLY.

SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT THEY LOOK FURTHER.

THIS IS A CLOSE-KNIT COMMUNITY, AND WE LIKE THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I LIVE IN THE AREA SO I'M NOT FROM OUTSIDE OF THE AREA TALKING ABOUT THIS.

I'VE LIVED HERE IN THE FRUIT COVE AREA FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS, AND I HOPE TO CONTINUE TO DO SO, BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I HOPE YOU WILL NOT RECOMMEND THAT THIS BE APPROVED. WE'VE HAD TOO MUCH REZONING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. REALLY.

THERE'S A LOT OF REZONED LAND THAT OTHER THINGS CAN BE DONE ON THAT ARE JUST AS BENEFICIAL TO THE YOUTH.

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THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: KATHERINE MCI WILL VOI MCAVOY.

>> SPEAKER: I. A PRESENTATION. >> MR. MATOVINA: ARE YOU PART

OF THE BIG GROUP, MS. MCAVOY? >> SPEAKER: YES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE'RE GOING TO CALL YOU LATER THEN.

>> SPEAKER: I THINK I'M THE BEGINNING.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YOU'RE THE START.

OKAY. I'M SORRY.

>> SPEAKER: SEE. WE MOVED IT FASTER THAN YOU

THOUGHT. >> MR. MATOVINA: YOU DID.

THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: MAY I STAY UP HERE AND WORK THE PRESENTATION WHEN OTHER PEOPLE SPEAK JUST TO WORK

THE -- >> MR. MATOVINA: YES, YOU MY.

>> AND IS THIS? NO.

SORRY. BUT THIS IS THE TOOL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IF YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW TO WORK THAT, CALL A MAN UP THERE. [LAUGHTER]

>> SPEAKER: OH, A MAN. I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE MAN.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IT IS A CLICKER.

WE DO LIKE TO SIT IN THE ARMCHAIR.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: AND ASK YOU LADIES TO DO ALL THE WORK. THAT'S MY POINT.

>> SPEAKER: WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THE PRESENTATION TO LOAD, I'D LIKE ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE FROM SAVE FRUIT COVE HERE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE BOARD.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT PZA DOES.

WE KNOW YOU'RE VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME.

I DIDN'T KNOW YOU GOT PAID $75. THAT'S A GOOD DEAL.

[LAUGHTER] >> SPEAKER: EVER.

>> MR. MATOVINA: I DIDN'T EITHER.

I'VE GOT TO GO CHECK OUT MY CHECK.

>> SPEAKER: BUT WE REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WE APPRECIATE YOU HELPING US KEEP THE SPECIAL CHARACTER OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I'M KATHERINE MCA SPROIP LET ME MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING -- DON'T START BY CLOCK.

[LAUGHTER] I THINK I GOT IT, GUYS.

I'M KATHERINE MCAVOY, 1115 POPLEY ROAD, AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH EVANS ROWING CLUB.

MY KID WAS A ROAR THERE. I THINK IT'S A GREAT SPORT.

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE SAID.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WISH MY DAUGHTER HAD GOTTEN THAT PRINCETON SCHOLARSHIP. SHE DIDN'T.

SHE QUIT ROWING, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE IT WAS TOO TOUGH FOR HER. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT NOT ABOUT THE ROWING CLUB BUT ABOUT THE LOCATION, AND A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN SAID SO I'M GOING TO MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH IT BUT IT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE 2025 MANY COULD PLA.

IT IS NOT THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A PUD IS UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 503. THE STAFF AND DOT COMMENTS A, A LOT WEREN'T ANSWERED. THERE ARE A LOT OF WAIVERS, PARTICULARLY THE BUFFERS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO WAIVE HALF THE BUFFERS THIS. P. NECESSITY DID LOSE THE LAWSUIT AGAIN DUVAL, AND I'D ASK YOU TO CONTACT DUVAL COUNTY TO UNDERSTAND THE REAL SITUATION BECAUSE IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY, IT ISN'T THE WAY THAT THE LAWYER EXPLAINED IT.

LOOKING AT THE COMP PLAN, TRAFFIC AND SAY IT A-I 311 WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THE NOISE, THE LIGHTING AND, OF COURSE, THE TRACK OF FLOW YOU'VE PADRE ABOUT THAT.

WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE UNREASONABLE DANGER THE TO SIGHT OF OF EVER SAFETIES OF OTHER TRAFFIC, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE LISDZ, AND THERE IS A SENSE OF PUBLIC NUISANCE.

UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 503, TO BE A PUD, THEY'VE GOT TO FALL INTO CERTAIN RULE TO BE COMPATIBLE, TO HAVE THE RIGHT LOCATION, TO HAVE ADEQUATE FACILITIES AND ACCESS, SAFE AND CONVENIENT ACCESS TO ALL BUILDINGS AND GENERAL FACILITIES, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT A PUD FOR ONE RESIDENTIAL AND ONE COMMERCIAL. THAT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO US. THERE ARE HAD A LOT OF STAFF QUESTIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ANSWERED.

WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHY IT WAS EVEN BROUGHT TO THE PZA WITHOUT ALL THOSE ANSWERS. DOT HAS TALKED ABOUT THE DWIEWING AND STACKING. I UNDER NOW THAT THEY ADDED ON THAT ACCELERATION LANE, BUT LET ME JUST TELL YOU THAT -- AND, OF COURSE, THE WAIVERS. LET ME TELL THAT YOU WHEN MY KID WAS AT EVANS, THEY WERE AT JULINGTON CREEK ROAD WHICH IS THAT ONE OAT RIGHT WAY OFF JULINGTON CREEK AS OPPOSED TO THE NEW DRIVEWAY ON THE LEFT WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING.

WE WOULD BE IN THIS DRIVEWAY 15 TO 20 CARS DEEP FOR 15 TO 20 MINUTES. I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN HERE AT THE END OF THE BRIDGE.

AND ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN DOT TRAFFIC STUDY WHICH THEY SUBMITTED, IT SAYS THAT BETWEEN 4:00 AND IV:FEEN THERE WILL BE BETWEEN 25 TO 27 CARS IN THAT 15-MINUTE PERIOD DROPPING KIDS OFF. AND OASHES BY THE WAY, AS WAS MY PROBLEM WHEN MY KID WAS THERE, A LOT OF THE TEENAGERS, 16, 17, 18, THEY'RE DRIVING AND THEY'RE THE ONES DOING THE U-TURN.

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GONZALEZ. >> MR. MATOVINA: THE NEXT

CONCERN CAN GET READY. >> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS REBECCA

GONZALEZ. >> SPEAKER: NOS. RODRIGUEZ.

SHE WAS REFERRED TO AS RODRIGUEZ.

>> AND I'M A '5 23 WENTWORTH AVENUE.

LET ME TALK ABOUT HOW ALL OF THE AREA IS COMMERCIAL THAT IS AROUND WHERE THEY WANT TO BUILD. THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT MY PROPERTY, MY HOME IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR, ZERO FEET AWAY.

THE HOME MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE RAISED OUR FAMILY IN, SHARES OVER 456 FEETED OF PROPERTY LINE WITH THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.

THAT'S LONGER THAN ONE AND A HALF FOOTBALL FIELDS.

THINK ABOUT HOW BIG THOOS. WE EVEN HAVE A PEDESTRIAN GATES THAT GOES BETWEEN 2 BETWEENS BECAUSE JULINGTON TERRACE IS AND AS HAS BEEN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

OUR HOME IS OUR SANCTUARY AND 24 CLUB-AN UNREASONABLE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON IT. I GET HOME FROM WORK AT 3:30 EVERY DAY, GET CHANGED AND HEAD INTO MY YARD TO ENJOY SOME PEACEFUL OUTDOOR TIME. WITH EVANS NEXT DOOR THAT WILL GIVE ME 15 MINUTES OF BEFORE DID MASSES DESCEND ON THIS PROPOSED BUSINESS WITH 30 OR 40 CARS NIGH SHORT PEFD TIME KONG UNPRECEDENTED STACKING AND QUEUING OF TRAFFIC FLOW BOTH ON STATE ROAD FLEAN AND ON THE PROPERTY AND IN AND OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT IS JUST A FEW FEET FROM MY FRONT DOOR.

AND WHEN THEY RAIFER THEY'LL DO WHAT TEENAGERS DO, BE LOUD.

THE PLACK. ♪ JUST ON THE WATER.

THEY BRACK ON LAND. AND THE SLICK GUNG WHO VIDEOS WITH HOW GREAT IF ROWING CLUB IS OVERLOOKS THE FACT THAT ALL OF THAT NOISE WILL BE A FEW SHORT YARDS AWAY FROM MY BEDROOM WINDOW. OVER LINING THE PARKING LOT IS WHERE MY GRAND CAWRT RADIOED HER BIKE AND WE HAVE FOOD RACES ON THE DRIVEWAY. WHERE THE ENORMOUS PROPOSED BOAT ON HIS WILL BE IS WHERE WE PLAY IN OUR POOL, WHERE I GARDEN AND WHERE WE FUSH OFF OF OUR YOU DOCK.

MYER QUIET AND PEACEFUL PATIO AND WHERE I SIT WITH FAMILY DISPRENDZ DISPS RIGHT FLEXION TO WHERE BOATS WILL BE DRAGGED IN AND ON IT THE CA COWF COFFINY RAISED VOICES AND BULLHORNS EVERY EVENING. SEVENS ASKING FOR BUFFER ARRIVES EVEN WITH THE SO-CALLED ADEQUATE BUFFERING THERE'S NO WAY TO AND NOISE POLLUTION THAT WILL PRODUCED BY MI COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT IS ALLOWED TO BE BUILT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO MY HOME IN IN WELL-ESTABLISHED MATURE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. JULINGTON TERRACE IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A LOVELY LACE THE RIV. THE PUD 21 IS NOT CONSIST WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL A AND IT IS NOT BE EXATDIBLE, SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREA.

PLEASE DENY REZONING OF THIS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY FOR ANY COMMERCIAL USE. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: IF THEIR NAMES ARE UP HERE DO WE STILL NEED TO READ THEM?

IF THEIR NAMES ARE BRINTD? >> MS. PERKINS: THEY STILL NEED TO STATE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD RECORD.

ONE AT A TIME, THOUGH. >> SPEAKER: HI.

MY NAME IS TERRY ARNOLD. I LIVE AT 1521 WENTWORTH YOU'VE IN FRUIT COVE. FARCH MY NAME IS TERRY ARNOLD.

I'M A THIRD GENERATION LIFELONG RESIDENT OF FRUIT COVE.

MY GRANDPARENTS MOVED HERE IN THE 1930S TO ESTABLISH THEIR RESIDENCE AS WELL AS MULTIPLE BUSINESSES.

CURRENTLY I LIVE ON LOT 5 IN THE JULINGTON TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH MY GRANDPARENTS PURCHASED IN 1946.

JULINGTON TERRACE IS A LONG ESTABLISHED QUITE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE '40S LONG BEFORE ANY SUBDIVISION WAS PRESENT IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR.

IN FACT, IT EXISTED WELL BEFORE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS CREATED FOR THE COUNTY. IT WAS WITH SUCH A LONGSTANDING HISTORIES BEING IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD I'M ASKING TO YOU DENY THE REZONING PROPOSAL FOR LOT 1 JULINGTON TERRACE WHICH GOES THE PROPOSED SITE OF EFNSY ROWING CLUB PUD.

THE EARLIEST AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS THE COUNTY HAS OF THE AREA ARE FROM JANUARY 1952. THIS PHOTO THOSE FIVE DOCKS ON THE RIVER IN THE JINLT AREA. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S AN EXISTING DOCK AT THE BRPPED ROWING CLUB SITE AS WELL AS A DRIVEWAY ONTO WENTWORTH AVENUE. THE FROSTPROOF ALSO SHOWS THE EXISTENCE MY DOCK HOUSE IN WHICH MY FATHER BUILT 76 YEARS AGO WHEN HE WAS 12 YEARS OLD. THE STRUCTURE IS STILL STANDING TODAY. THIS RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY -- I MEAN, THIS PHOTOGRAPH CLEARLY HOSE THE LONG HISTORY OF THIS WELL-ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

THE ONLY OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THE EAR IS MY FAMILY BUSINESS WHIH IS FRUIT COVE NURSELY AND OUR OLD COUNTRY GENERAL STORE AND SOME HOMES AROUND FRUIT COVE ROAD.

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THE STATE PROPOSED PURCHASED A PORTION OF LOT 1 JULINGTON TERRACE WOULD PUT ITS MANDATED RETENTION POND CAUSING THE DRIVEWAY TO BE MOVED TO THE PRESENT LOCATION OFF OF STATE ROAD 13. JUST BECAUSE THE INGRESS AND EGRESS OF THE PROPERTY NO LONGER ON WENTWORTH AVENUE DOES NOT MAKE IT ANY LESS PAFORTSD OUR COMMUNITY.

CHANGING THE ZONING FROM RESIDENTIAL TO A PUD WILL NOT ONLY DESTROY THE AREA'S HISTORICAL CHARM AS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY BUT IT WILL ALSO HAVE A DIRECT NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, BRINGING ADDED NOISE, LIGHT POLLUTION, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL OVERFLOW TRAFFIC.

THE REZONING OF THIS PARCEL WILL CAUSE A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE FOR NOT ONLY ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS BUT TO ALL WHO TRA INJURES THE JULINGTON CREEK BRIDGE.

PROPOSED SITE IS ALSO THE ENTRANCE INTO JDGES AS WELL AS THE MEFTD WILLIAM BAR TRAN SCENIC AND HISTORIC HIGHWAY.

FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS. THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS AREA I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AND URGE YOU TO VEET NO ON THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: I'M BRADLEY WHITED. I HAVE LIVE A 1461 WENTWORTH AVENUE. I'VE WRITTEN SOME BULLET POINT THAT IT WAS GOING TO USE BUT I'M NOT GOING TO NEED THEM.

I'M THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS ROOM THAT CAN SAY I LIVED ON THIS PROPERTY. PRIOR TO 2015 FOR 20 YEARS.

IT WAS DANGEROUS THEN. IT'S DANGEROUS NOW GETTING OUT, GETTING IN. EVEN WITH A DECELERATION LANE, IT'S DANGEROUS. YOU TURNING U TURNING ACROSS THAT BRIDGE, BAD. I WORRY ABOUT YOU GUYS.

I WORRY ABOUT THESE KIDS. I WORRY ABOUT THE OTHER COMMUTERS. IT'S JUST NOT

SAFE. >> THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO

SAY. >>

>> MS. PERKINS: LEE MATHA. >> AND THIS IS THE VIDEO.

WE'RE GO GOING TO PLAY WHILE LEE AND JULIE ARE HERE.

COLLECTIVELY THE VIDEO IS SIX MINUTES, SO WE'RE GOING TO USE THREE MINUTES OF EACH OF THEIR TIME.

DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING FIRST?

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, LEE MATHIS I LIVE AT 1520.

>> SPEAKER: JULY OH MATHIS 1521 ENT WITH WORTH AVENUE

1520 WENTWORTH AVENUE. >> SPEAKER: DON'T START THE

CLOCK YET. >> THIS VIDEO IS TO SHOW THE CYCLICAL ROUTE THAT PARTICIPANTS IN THE ROWING CLUB PROPOSAL AT THE FOOT OF THE JULINGTON CREEK BRIDGE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY TIME -- WE'RE CURRENTLY NORTHBOUND ACROSS THE JULINGTON CREEK BRIDGE AND WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE LANES. BECAUSE AS WE ENTER THE FOOT OF THE BRIDGE, THERE IS A LANE, IT IS NOT A TURN LANE ORE A MERGE LANE, IF YOU WILL, BUT THERE IS A LANE THAT'S DEDICATED TO LEFT AND RIGHT-HAND TURNS. THERE'S SIGNAGE INDICATING YOU CAN'T DO A U-TURN. SO THIS IS IF FIRST LOCATION THAT SOMEONE CAN DO A U-TURN LEGALLY AT THE FOOT OF THE DUVAL COUNTY BRIDGE. NOW, CURRENTLIY ERR EVER WHERE E SITTING THERE IS NO WAY FOR ANYONE TO COME IN BEHIND US SO THERE IS THEN FOR ANYONE TO MAKE THE SAME MANEUVER TO STACK BEHIND FUSS IF SOMEONE ELSE WAS PAKING MAKING A U-TURN THEY TO HAVE TO PULL IN FLOAFNT US 30TENTIALY OBSTRUCTING OUR VIEW AND THEN MAKE THEIR U-TURN AND HEAD BACK SOUTH.

OBVIOUSLY THE TURN LANES ARE HERE FOR ALL OF THESE BUSINESSES AS WELL AND WE OFTEN SEE CRASHES FROM THE BACK SIDE OF OUR HOME, WE CAN LOOK OUT OUR WINDOW AND WE CAN SEE BLUE AND RED LIGHTS FLASHING RIGHT IN THIS GENERAL SPRINT QUITE OFTEN.

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ALSO, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IF A CRASH WERE TO OCCUR, AT THIS JUNCTURE YOU CANNOT MAKE OUT THAT THERE'S A DRIVEWAY HERE AT THIS POINT. THAT DOESN'T BECOME VISIBLE UNTIL YOU'RE MUCH CLOSER. SO SHOULD AN EVENT OCCUR EXPUFER TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION, YOU WILL RUN OUT OF ROOM BECAUSE THE FLARE THAT OCCURS HERE AT THE FOOT OF THE BRIDGE.

SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO TURN INTO THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE IT IS, OF COURSE, PRIVATE PROPERTY. AFTER PARTICIPANTS LEAVE THE PROPERTY, THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO DO GO BACK NORTH WOULD THEN NEED TO MAKE ANOTHER U-TURN, SO INDIVIDUALS COMING FROM THE SOUTH WOULD MAKE A U-TURN AT THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BRIDGE, AND INDIVIDUALS COMING FROM THE NORTH WILL MAKE A U-TURN HERE, THE FIRST AVAILABLE U-TURN IS HERE AT MISSION STATE ROAD.

THIS IS THE LEAST CONCERNING OF THE FOUR LOCATIONS BECAUSE THERE IS A LONGER MERGE OR TURN LANE, IF YOU WILL, WHERE PEOPLE CAN DECELERATE AND STACK. YOU CAN HAVE SEVEN CARS OR THEREABOUTS IN THIS AREA WHICH WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR INDIVIDUALS LEAVING. THE DUVAL COUNTY SIDE IS QUITE THE DIFFERENT STORY, AS YOU'VE ALREADY SCENE SEEN.

THEIR THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU TO A ROUTE TO WENTWORTH.

IN THE COURSE OF MEYER CROO I HAVE ENCOUNTERED HUNCHES COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS WHO STATED THAT INDIVIDUALS, AIRPORT. WHO ARE DROPPING OFF THEIR CHILDREN AT SCHOOL WHO DO NOT WISH TO WAIT IN THE PARENT PICK URP LINE, THEY'RE IN A HURRY ORE WHATEVER YOU, THEY WILL IMMEDIATELY GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DROP THEIR CHILDREN AFTER YOU AT SOME CONVENIENT LOCATION CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE SCHOOL. WE BELIEVE THAT THE SAME WILL OCCUR HERE ON WENTWORTH. AS YOU LOOK ACROSS TO THE NORTHBOUND SIDE, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT CARS COMING FROM THE DIRECTION WE JUST CAME FROM, WHEN THEY ARE MAKING THAT TURN WHERE THAT ESCALADE IS TURNING NOW, EK THEY CANNOT SEE UNTIL THEY'RE WELL INTO THE CURVE. YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THAT THERE ARE ALREADY AN ABUNDANT NUMBER OF NO PARKING SIGNS ON WENTWORTH AVENUE. THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE OF PAST OVERFLOW ISSUES DEALING WITH THE ADJACENT COMMERCIAL ENTITIES WHICH ARE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF US.

THOSE ENTITIES WERE CREATED MANY DECADES AGO AND HAVE BEEN HERE FOR QUITE SOME PERIOD OF TIME, BUT THEY WERE DESIGNED WHEN THE POPULATION DENSITY AND FLOW WAS MUCH LESS MERE HERE IN ST. JS COUNTY. AND SO WHEN THEY HAVE A BUSINESS MEEGHTD OR THEY HOLD AN EVENT, OVERFLOW IS VERY QUICK TO EMPTY OUT TO WENT WORTH AND WE HAVE CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, CAUSING ISSUES WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO TURN INTO THE STREET WITH THE CAR BEING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOU AT THE TIME OR OUR NEIGHBORS HAVING TO SQUEEZE PAST CARS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND AS YOU MAKE THE TURN, YOU RUN INTO A POTENTIAL HEAD-ON SITUATION, SO VERY PRECARIOUS THERE AS WELL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS CHUCK MULLIGAN. I WAS THE CHOICE YOU JURIES HEARD TO THE VIDEO. I'M SORRY THAT I WAS LITTLE LENGTHY ON THE TRAFFIC FLOW ON THE DMOWBD SIDE BUT THIS JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF WHERE I'M COMING FROM AND MY EXPERIENCE HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

GO HOODS. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU A BLITD ABOUT CAUSATION. Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT CAUSES OF CRASHES, ASKING THE ENGINEERS.

IN THIS AREA I SEE AN INCIDENT RATIO OF FOLLOWING TOO CLOSELY AND FAILURE TO REELED RIGHTS-OF-WAY.

I'M GOING DO SHOW YOU A PHOTOGRAPH OF A I'VE PERSON FAILING TO YIELD RIGHT-OF-WAY IN JUST A FEW.

GO BACK ONE MORE QUICKLY. THERE'S ANOTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. THERE'S COMPRESSED ACTIVITY AS WE HAVE ALREADY ALL DISCUSSED SO WE DON'T WANT WANT TO WELL LABOR. LET ME SPHWAWK SPEED.

PEOPLE SPHWAWK SPEED CAUSING CRASHES.

SPEEDS DOES THE NOTE NECESSARILY CAUSE A CRASH IN AND OF ITSELF.

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THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE SPEED. ED PEOPLE ARE NOT DOING THE SPEED LIMB ACROSS THAT BRIDGE. THEN HUMAN FACTORS OF MISJUDGMENT PTS OF SPEED. PEOPLE BECOME IMPATIENTS.

THEN THERE'S DISTRACTIONS. CELL PHONES AND THE LIKE.

THREE PHOTOGRAPHS. AS WE WERE DOING THIS VIDEO I MADE A U-TURN AT. THIS THIS LACK EXPLORER ALMOST POINTING NORTHBOUND RAN THE STOP SIGN AND CAME OUT IN FRONT OF ME SO WE HAD THAT VIDEO RUNNING AND THESE WHAT WE CAPTURED.

IT HAPPENS. THE CENTER PHOTOGRAPH THERE IS WHERE WE PUSTLED OUTED OFF ON THE NORTHBOUND SIDE OF JACKSONVILLE. ME VEHICLE WOULD HAVE BEEN SITD WHERE THE WHITE CAR IS IN THAT TURN LANE AND THOSE ARE FRONT END TO FRONT END CRASHES. THAT'S A TURN CRASH.

LASTLY I INDICATED THAT WHAT IF SOMEBODY ELSE WAS ALREADY THERE WHEN YOU GET THERE, AND THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT RIGHT THERE.

WE DO NOT BLOCK THEIR VISION. WE WENT DOWN TO THE LIGHT BUT PEOPLE WON'T DO IT BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT LONGER TO DO IT.

DOCTOR, YOUR QUESTION WAS DID 33 SECONDS.

IF YOU'RE GOING FASTER TAKES LESS TIME.

LASTLY I WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT THAT WAS SAID AND I SHOULD HAVE THE TIME. AT WENTWORTH AND 13 ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS WAS STRUCK BY CAR MOVING ACROSS THE BRIDGE AT A LIGHT OF SPEED. BOTH HE AND HIS DAWRTD WERE INJURED. WE ASKED FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT.

DOT SAID NEE. THEN YEARS LATER WE HAD ISSUES.

WE ASKED FOR A SIGN, A SIDE STREET WARNING.

DOT SAID NO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW, SO WE HAVE ASKED FOR THESE THINGS FOR THE MAILMAN. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THESE THINGS. AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.

SO I'M GLAD THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT BECAUSE I CERTAINLY COULDN'T.

LASTLY THAT VIEW IS LOOKED LIKE NORTHBOUND AT OUR BRIDGE AND YOU CAN TELL THAT WE CANNOT SEE ANY OF THOSE CARS.

WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR SECONDS AT THE SPEED LIMIT FOR US TO SEE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THERE, GET ON THE THROTTLE.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. SO THIS IS A DANGEROUS AREA.

WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THIS, NEITHER THE BRIDGE FOR THE PROPERTY CAN BE MOVED PI WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH ONE FINAL THOUGHT FROM A REALLY INGENIOUS GUY. PREDICTABLE AND PREVENTABLE AND I HOPE WE CAN EWLES PREDID I HAVE DICKTIVE AWBILITY ACCOUNTABILITY AND ANALYSIS AND LET'S PREVENT A TRAGEDY FROM OCCURRING. THANK YOU.

PREDICTABILITY.

. >> AND GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS KIM WOIMS I'M A 1471 FRUIT COVE ROAD.

I AM A LIFELONG MEMBER OF FRUIT COVE.

I HAVE LIVED THERE. WE WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OF OUT THIS AFTERNOON AND FOR TRYING TO KEEP OUR BELOVED FRUIT COVE SAFE. I'VE LIVED HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE.

WE UNDERSTAND CHANGE IS INEVITABLE.

KEEPING RESIDENTS SAFE AND KEEPING FRUITED COVE FROM BEING DISPROID IS ALSO IMPORTANT. ALONG WITH THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE OF JULINGTON TERRACE WHICH IS A FULL I DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS LOT 1 OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND ZONED RESIDENTIAL.

THERE IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. ANYONE ENTERING ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND ANYONE PARTICIPATING IN THE EVAN ROWING CLUB IS AT RISK.

IF THIS PROJECT IS ALLOWED TO AT THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THEY ALWAYS KEEP TRYING TO COMPARE THIS SIDE TO WESTMINSTER WOODS WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF STATE ROAD 13. THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN THERE FOR OVER 60 YEARS AND IS 90 ACRES, NOT 1.62 ACRES.

IN THE EVANS PROPOSAL IT SCUGHTS THAT THERE BE WOULD BE 30 TO 40 MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS PARTICIPATING.

IF APPROXIMATELY HALF THOSE STUDENTS DRIVE IT WOULD BE 15 CARS WITH ONLY EIGHT IDENTIFIED PARKING SPACES.

THE REST BEING DROPPED OFF. WITH AN INCREASE IN STUDENTS, THAT MEANS MORE PARKING IS NEEDED.

ACCORDING TO NEWS FOR JACKSON IN APRIL OF 2019, THE NUMBER WERE REPORTED FROM CORY AND RONNIE EP EFNS THEY STATED 70 MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETES, SO THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 40 THAT WOULD BE DRIVING WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE AMOUNT AND MORE SPACE NEEDED.

THE PROPERTY CAN'T HANDLE 40 ANY MORE WITH A PROPOSED 50 BY 80-FOOT BUILDING AND A HOUSE. KEEP IN MIND THERE IS A RISK IN EVERYTHING WE DO. IT'S HOW WE MANAGE THE RISK THAT GETS EVERYONE HOME TO THEIR LOVED ONES AT THE END OF THE DAY. WITH HAVING A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AT THE BRIDGE INCREASES THE CHANCE OF MORE ACCIDENTS.

THE STATS FROM A QUARTER MILE FROM THE CENTER OF THE BRIDGE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS BACKED UP MY BY REPORTS FROM THE JACKSONVILLE SHOFS AND THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

COMPARING DUVAL TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY HEERTD FACTS.

FROM 10/10 OF STWNT 17 TO 10/9 OF 2022, VAXVILLE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REPORTED FRTD 12,600 BLOCK WHICH IS A QUARTER MILE

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THAT IS INCLUDING THE BUSINESSES, COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES RIGHT THERE UP TO BRODY, JUST PAST BRODY AS.

TO EFNTION WE WANT TO SAY WE ARE NOT AGAINST ACTIVITIES FOR OUR YOUTH. WE BELIEVE THERE ARE LOCATIONS THAT ARE MORE SUITED PABL FOR WHAT IS TRYING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED. THE EARS OTHER AREAS WILL LOVE YOU THE ROWING ACTIVITY TO TAKE PLACE WITH MUCH LESS RISK THAN TO A SMALL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AT THE END OF A BRIDGE AND A SOMEWHAT BLIND CURVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS NEILL WHITE.

LIVE AT 1620 RAIN CROW DRIVE, 32259 WHICH IS A LITTLE SOUTH OF THERE BUT I GREW UP ON WENTWORTH AVENUE.

MY TWO BROTHERS AND THEY'RE IN THE AUDIENCE TOO.

I'M A RETIRED JACKSONVILLE BALLOT I DO NOT KNOW KNEE OF, 31 YEARS EXPERIENCE BOTH FIRE AND ELSE.

I'VE LIVED IN ST. JOHNS MY ENTIRE LIFE FOR A REASON.

I DIDN'T LIVE IN DUVAL COUNTY. I'LL SAY THIS AND YOU SHOULD ALL KNOW THAT, PUBLIC SAFETY IS GOVERNMENT'S NUMBER ONE RESPONSIBILITY ABOVE ALL ELSE. IF PEOPLE AREN'T SAFE, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. T. ZONING CHANGE WILL HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON RESPONSE TIMES FOR BOTH FIRE, EMS AND POLICE.

I HAVE ON MANY CASE, INDICATIONS WATCHED PEOPLE PLEAD OUT FROM AUTONOMY TRAUMA USUALLY DELAYED RESPONSE IS A FACTOR IN THAT TYPE OF THING. WHEN IT HAPPENS YOU'RE WATCHING SOMEBODY BLEED TO DEATH OR NOT BREATHE OR WHATEVER ELSE.

I HAVE TO ASK YOU HOW MUCH IS A LIFE WORTH AS FAR AS ACCESSIBILITY AND PEOPLE GETTING THE CARE THEY NEED IN A TIMELY FASHION. IF YOU'RE NOT BREATHING, YOU'RE HEART'S NOT BEETING OR YOUR BLEEDING OUT INSIDES, NOTHING ELSE REALLY MATTERS UNTIL YOU GET HELP AND HOPEFULLY WITHIN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

THE OTHER THING IS IS A REAL CONCERN AND HAS HEAN BEEN TOUCHED ON, THIS LOTION AT THE END OF THE BRIDGE IS A CHOKEPOINT, AND WHAT I MEAN IS, AND CHUCK CAN IS TEST ON THAT IF THERE'S A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT ANY WHRER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THERE'S A FATALITY OR POTENTIAL FATALITY, THAT SCENE IS SHUT DOWN. ITS NOW A CRIME SCENE.

IT IS STATE LAW. LOOK IT UP.

THEY'RE GOING TO SHUT IT DOWN. IF YOU SHUT DOWN THE JULINGTON CREEK BRIDGE THERE IS NO MORE ACCESS TO FRUIT COVE UNLESS TOWG US-1 OR YOU TAKE THE BRIDGE TO GO TROOS THE GREEN COVE AND COME IN THAT WAY. YOU CHOOSE YOUR PILL, WHICHEVER WAY. IT'S A TOUGH SPOT.

THE OTHER THING IS, TOO, YOU EVER WESTMINSTER WOODS AND IS AS I CALL IT WESTERN MANOR THAT'S A BUNCH OF OLD FOLKS THAT DIE A REGULAR BASIS AND HAVE TO BE TRANS FORTH TO JACKSONVILLE.

I CAN I GUESS YOU CAN TAKE THEM TO ST. AUGUSTINE TO THE HOSPITAL THERE. I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT.

THE OTHER THING I USED TO ASK PEOPLE WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY, HOW LONG CAN YOU HOLD YOUR BREATH? WHAT? HOW LONG IF WE GHAINT FIVE OR SIX MINUTES YOU DO NOT NEED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ANYMORE.

CALL THE CORONER'S OFFICE. YOU'RE NOT BREATHING.

YOU'RE DONE. AND I CAN ALSO SAY THIS FROM THE ULT ABSOLUTE TRUTH, IRVE AT SEVERAL FATALITIES AT KIM JONG-UN ROAD AND P. I'M PULLED BODIES OWF CARS AND SCUT THEM OUT THERE. I'VE SEEN IT.

MY HANDS IN THEIR BLOOD AND BHAWCH THE OTHER THING THE DRY HYDRANT IS A POOR DECISION. A DRY HYDRANT IS THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO. IF YOU HAVE A DRY HIGH DRAWFNT TO DRAFT WITH A FIRE ENGINE AND YOU HAVE TO IS YOU CAN THE WATERED. EVERYTHING'S PERFECT YOU HAVE FIEFORTSZ KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY CAN PULL THAT DRAFT, AND EVEN THEN THE MAXIMUM AMORTIWATER YOU CAN GET OUT OF THAT HYDRANT IS WHAT THE FIRE FRUK IS RATED AT.

15 YOU YOU MILE-PER-GALLON A MINUTE YOU WON'T GET ANY MORE THAN THAT AS DRAFT. THANK YOU ALL.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS STEVEN GALLON BERE I LIVE AT 1377 WENTWORTH AVENUE, ST. JOHNS, FLORIDA.

MY NEXT ON IS VERY NARROW. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, SPECIFICALLY TRAFFIC SAFETY.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS IN THE ROWING CLUB, THE SAFETY OF THE MOTORISTS ON STATE ROAD 13, AND FROM MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS OF WENTWORTH AVENUE. I'VE LIVED ON WENTWORTH FOR 27 YEARS, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT GETTING OUT OF WENTWORTH DURING RUSH HOUR, ANYWHERE NEAR RUSH HOUR ONTO STATE ROAD 13 IS AN ADVENTURE. IT'S DIFFICULT AND IT'S DANGEROUS AND I'M NOT HAPPY THAT I HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THAT PUT

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SLOWING DOWN, GETTING OUT IS TOUGH.

SLOWING DOWN AND COMING BACK IS DIFFICULT AND SCARY TOO BECAUSE CARS ARE GOING BY -- IF I'M DOING 45, CARS GOING UNEVER BY AT 60 ROUTINELY, AND MY FEAR ALWAYS IS GETTING REAR-ENDED, AND I TRY TO GET OFF THAT ROAD AS FAST AS I CAN.

LASTLY ON THE TRAFFIC, TUVMENT TURN AT THE NORTH END OF THE BRIDGE, I COME OUT HEADING DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE, FORGOT SOMETHING, HAD TO MAKE A U-TURN AND COME BACK, AND AGAIN IT'S A SCARY PROPOSITION TRYING TO DO THAT, AND I WOULDN'T WANT MY TEENAGE CHILDREN TO BE DOING IT. NOW, AS YOU KNOW, THE CLUB WAS PREVIOUSLY HOUSED ON HILLWOOD ROAD IN DUVAL COUNTY, AND THEY WERE EVICTED FROM THAT LOCATION, AND I WAS KIND CURIOUS AS TO WHY THEY WERE EVICTED, SO I WENT ON THE INTERNET AND I PULLED THE COMPLAINT THAT THE COUNTY OR THE CITY HAD FILED, AND CAN WE GET THE EXCERPT UP? ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE CITY ADVANCE DOLLARS ADVANCED FOG THE ROWING CLUB WAS, AND I'LL PARAPHRASE NOW, THE CLUB EAST CONTINUING OPERATION OF ITS -- OPERATIONS ON THE PARCEL OF LAND ON HILLWOOD ROAD HAS CREATED A DANGEROUS TRAFFIC DPORNT SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND ENDANGERS THE EXISTING RESIDENTS, PERSONS AND PROPERTY.

NOW, THE CITY RELIED ON THAT. THE CIRCUIT JUDGE INVOLVED IN THE CASE GRANTED THE EVICTION REQUEST IN PART FOR THAT REASON.

NOW, COMPARE HILLWOOD ROAD IS IN A SLEEP RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN DUVAL COUNTY. COMPARE THAT WITH WHAT HE HAVE WE HAVE HERE AND THERE'S NO COMPARISON AT ALL.

THE REQUESTED LOCATION IS MUCH MORE DANGEROUS, AND I URGE YOU NOT TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PUD.

>> I'M CHUCK BRICKELL AT 1519 WENTWORTH AVENUE.

I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND SAY HELLO TO BEN BARNIA WHO I MET SHOARLTD AFTER HE BROUGHT THE PROPERTY.

I FELT LIKE HE AND I BECAME FRIENDS.

BUT I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT MY -- YOU I LIVE A 1319 WENTWORTH AVENUE. JOINED TERRACE NEIGHBOR CYST 1991. WE RAISE DOLLARS OUR THREE DAUGHTERS ALL OF WHICH NARPTD SOAFORTD CREW DURING THEIR MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL YEARS.

OUR OLDEST WAS A COXIN ON THE MEN'S TEAM.

OUR THIRD AND YOUNG S DAUGHTERS MEMBERS OF THE WOMEN'S TEAM.

ONE IS A STROKE AND OTHER A COXIN.

MY OUR DAUGHTERS COMPETED IN 8TH AND FOUR SEAT BHOATSZ.

CREW SEASON REQUIRED A COMMITMENT BY EACH THREETD TO ATTEND PRACTICE SIX DAYS A WRECK BEEP SUPPORTED AND ENCOURAGED OUR DAUGHTERS' PARTICIPATION IN THE SPORT FOR ALL THOSE YEARS BECAUSE ROWING HELPED TO BUILD STRONG BODIES, PROMOTED A GOOD WORK ETHIC, CULTIVATED TEAM WORK AND HELPED TO FOSTER SELF-CONFIDENCE. CREW MEETS AND REGULAR AUDIT AS WHETHER RAY FAMILY AFFAIR. WE WOULD ALL BE THERE ALL DAY TO CHEER EACH OF OUR MEN'S AND WOMEN'S NOV EXIST RETURN BOATS AT RACES. IN MAY OF EACH YEAR WE PACKED UP THE CAR AND HEADED THE THE TAMPA REGATTA WHERE THE TEAM WOULD COMPETE FOR TWO DAYS. THERE WOULD BE SCHOOLS FROM ALL AROUND THE STATE AND OUR TEAM PULLED HARD FOR BRAGGING RIGHTS.

IT WAS A LOT OF FUN AND A GOOD FINISH WAS WELL IRND REWARD FOR THE HARD WORK PUT IN OVER THE PAST MONTHS.

THE VIDEO EVANS ROWING SHOWED IS WHAT WE LIVED.

SO DO WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT AND ENDORSE THE CHILDREN AND SPOAFORTD ROWING? ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S THE LOCATION THAT EFNS REASONABLE CHOICE? NO. IF OUR DAUGHTERS WERE DRIVING TO PRACTICE EACH DAY, I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED AND TBOIRD THEIR SAFETY. THE REQUIRED U-TURN EITHER TO LEAVE OR ENTER THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. THERE WILL BE TEENAGE CHILDREN DEPRIVING ON THEIR OWN TO PRACTICE.

PARENTS DRIVING THEY ARE YOUR KNOWLEDGE TEAMMATES AND TENTS DESCRF WENTWORTH AVENUE TRYING TO AND EXIT OUR STREET.

CAN WE A COMMUNITY HELP EVANS ROWING CLUB FIND A SAFE AND VIABLE FERCH? OF COURSE.

THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS OUTED THERE EXPLORE.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> HELLO.

I'M WAYNE CEARTD MY DRESS IS 1473 WENTWORTH AVENUE AND I'VE LIVED ON WENTWORTH SKIN NANCY E 1951.

I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE PROPERTY PARTICULARLY THE APPARATUS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE LENGTH OF THE BOAT, THE TRAILER IS 65-PLUS FEET AND NOT INCLUDING THE T TOTING TOWING VEHICLE.

WHEN THE UNIT GOES TO MAKE ITS STOP OR TURN -- EXCUSE ME.

IN THE DECELERATION LANE, THE TRAILER IS THE FRONT AND THE BACK. WHICH WAY THE TRUCK GOES, IF IT TURNS RIGHT IN THE REAR OF THE TRAILER GOES TO THE LEFT OUT INTO THE TRACK OF LANE. IF YOU GO, IF IT TURNS LEFT THEN THE REAR OF THE TRAIL GOES RIGHT SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS USING MOST OF THAT SPACE FOR THAT UNIT TO JUST CLEAR THE SAFETY LANE THERE, THE TRAILER REAR END WILL EXTEND OUT INTO THE DRIVE TRAFFIC LANE AND CAUSE A PROBLEM.

AND AS FAR AS GOING AND MAKING A U-TURN WITH THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE, IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE.

IT CAN'T BE DONE. THE SAME WITH MAKING -- TRYING TO MAKE A U-TURN ON THE NORTH -- ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BRIDGE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: HI. I'M KIM ALBER 217, MY DAUGHTER ROWED FOR EVAN ROWING CLUB AT THE CHURCH OF OUR SAVE WHY ARE ON 12236 MANDS RIN ROAD IN JACKSONVILLEY AND RUDDER CLUB IN JACKSONVILLE AT 8315 MALAGA AVENUE.

LOCATION, SAVANNAH ROAD ROWED WITH EVANS FROM 2019 TO 2022.

MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS PUD BEING APPROVED FOR THEM TO OPERATE ON JULINGTON TERRACE IS AS FOLLOWS. THE KIDS ARE TOLD TO STAY MERE THE SHORELINE FOR SAFETY WHERE THEY'RE YELLING, CHEERING DURING THE PRACTICES, THEY'RE COAXING EACH EACH OTHER ON, ROW, ROW, ROW, THE COXIN IS COACHES ARE TALKING ON THE BULLHORN INSTRUCTING AND COACHING ALONG. THE SHORELINE IS -- LOOK THE SHORE LIVEN WHICH IS GOING TO BE PASSING IN FRONT OF ALL HOUSES AT THE TIME RIEFER. DURING DROP-OFF THERE ARE LONG LINES OF TEENAGERS GETTING INTO AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY DUE TO TWO DIFFERENT PRACTICE TIMES FOR THE MIDDLE-SCHOOLERS AND THE HIGH SCHOOLERS AT TIMES. BECAUSE OF THIS PARKING AND WAITING SPACE IS AT A PREMIUM. ESPECIALLY WHEN TIMES THAT MY DAUGHTER WOULD NOT BE DONE WITH PRACTICE FROM 30 MINUTES TO AN HOUR AFTER PRACTICE IS SUPPOSED TO BE OVER SO WE WERE JUST SITTING THERE WAITING AND ACCUMULATING PEOPLE COMING UP.

THE PROPOSED SITE IS NOT NEARLY ENOUGH SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE CARS THAT WILL BE NEEDING TO COME THROUGH IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THIS WILL LEAD ALL THE CARS TO EITHER LINE UP LOSING STATE ROAD 13 WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE OR FIND ALTERNATE PLACES TO WORK LIKE THE PARENTS HAD TO DO WHEN WE WERE REAT THE ROTELY CLUB LOCATION.

E WERE LINED UP STWNT YEARS DEEP OH A TWO RESIDENTIAL LANE AND/OR JOKING FOR THE LIMITED PARKING SPACES THAT WERE VIABLE.

TO THAT DIGS TO NOISE FROM THE SPORTS IS NOT EXATDIBLE WTD NEIGHBORHOOD. NOT ONLY IS THERE A LOT OF NOISE AND THE BULLHORNS AND THE MACHINES BUT THE KIDS' PRACTICE TIME IS OVER THEY ARE HANGING OUT.

THEY ARE FRIENDS WITH EACH OTHER.

THEY'RE CLEANING UP THEIR MESSES AND THEIR PUTTING AWAY ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND WAITING FOR THEIR RIDES.

MY DAWRTD REVOLVED LOVED ROWING. SHE LOVED THE EFNSES.

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THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: OUR SPEAKER RICK HILL WHO WAS GOING TO BE HERE WHO IS A ADOLESCENT OF HILLWOOD ROAD RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PREVIOUS LOCATION HAD TOCK TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. HEY DID SEND ME A TEXT OR I CAN JUST SKIP. HE WAS GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE HE HAD THERE ON HILLWOOD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: LET'S JUST SKIP IT, PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. OUR FINAL SPEAKER, COME ON DOWN.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THE MY NAME IS JEFF HOWARD AND I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF RE AILTS 14 TWIERN WENTWORTH AVENUE FOR OVER 29 YEARS NOW.

I'M NOT GOING TO PRESENT ANYTHING NEW.

I'M JUST SUMMARIZING WHAT'S HERE.

Y'ALL HEARD FROM A RETIRED FIRE BATTALION CHIEF, A RIDERS BUREAU COMMANDER FROM SPHDGES SHERIFFS OFFICER TALK ABOUT SAFETY CONCERNS. YOU'VE HEARD OTHER RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY CONCERNS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT. WE DON'T DISLOOK LIKE CHILDREN ROWING, WE THINK IT'S WONDERFUL. I LOOK OUT AT THE END OF THE MY DOCK AND I SEE THE SHELLS GO BY I LIKE THAT.

I JUST HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE FACILITY AND ALSO FOR THE OTHER RESIDENTS.

I LOOK AT IT AND SAY, I'M AN AGING MAN AT THIS POINT IN LIFE.

I DON'T HAVE A GRANDCHILDREN TO LEVEE A LEGACY TO.

MY ONLY LEGACY IS WHAT I AM GOING TO DO FOR MY COMMUNITY, AND I FEEL IF I DIDN'T STANTSTAND UP AND FIGHT FOR THE SAFETY THAT OF COMMUNITY REALIZING IF THAT BRIDGE GETS DOWN DUE TIE TRACK OF ACCIDENT IT COULD TAKE FIRST RESPONDERS AN ADDITION 30 MINUTES. I CAPTAIN LIVE WITH MYSELF SAYING I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I WANT THE COMMUNITY TO BE SUCH A AND EVERYONE THERE TO BE SAFE. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST EFNTION ROWING BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO DISREGARD THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN A1311. A REZONING REQUEST SHALL NOT BE APPROVED IF THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC FLOW OR THE PROPOSED PERMITTED USE HAVE AN UNREASONABLE IMPACT ON THE CONTIGUOUS AND SURROUNDING ORE ARE IF THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC HAS AN UNREASONABLE IMPACT ON THE ROADWAY OR IF THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC RESULTS IN AN UNREASONABLE DANGER TO THE SAFETY OF OTHER TRAFFIC, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLISTS.

IT IS CLEAR THAT THE PROPOSED PUD WOULD HAVE A DELETERIOUS IMPACT, AND WE CANNOT SUPPORT THAT.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

IS THAT I? >> SPEAKER: IF THERE IS ANOTHER SPEAKER, THERE'S A FEW EVER I. A A FEW MORE SLIDES I'D LIKE TO SHARE. DO THEY HAVE TO PUT A NAME IN?

>> MR. MATOVINA: THEY GENERALLY WOULD HAVE TO PUT A

NAME IN. >> SPEAKER: YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK. YOU JUST HAVE TO STAND UP HERE.

DOES SHE HAVE TO WRITE OUT A FORM?

>> MR. MATOVINA: SHE'S GOT TO GIVE HER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN SHE CAN FILL OUT A CARD LATER.

>> I LIVE AT 1380 FRUIT COVE ROAD IN FRUIT COVE.

>> SPEAKER: HERE'S THE ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS.

I THINK MOST OF THESE HAVE BEEN MENTIONED.

CLARK FISH CAMP, ALSO ALPINE GROVE PARK, BAILEY'S RESIDENCE FOR THE BISHOP ESTATES AND THEN ALSO THE TROUTT CREEK COUNTY PARK. THESE ARE ALL PICTURES HERE SHOWING THE TRAFFIC ON THE BRIDGE, SHOWING WHAT THE LOCATION IS, AGAIN THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL ENVIRONMENT.

WE'RE REALLY JUST ASKING HERE FOR NO REZONING OF THAT.

EVANS ROWING THEY'VE BEEN MOVED MULTIPLE TIMES OUT OF DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN DUVAL COUNTY, AND THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AGAIN, THIS JUST ISN'T THE CORRECT LOCATION. IT'S A GREAT ORGANIZATION EXPWRUTS NOT RIGHT JUST NOT T LOCATION FOR.

IT FLORES COMPELLING NEED OR REASON FOR THIS INEXATD ILLINOIS PROPOSED PUD IN THIS LOCATION. AND THEN THESE ARE THE PICTURES OF THE VARIOUS CONCERNS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED FROM THE DIFFERENT SPEAKERS IN THE

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>> MR. MATOVINA: MR., INC. BRAM, WE'RE READY FOR SOME REBUTTAL. WE'RE HOPING FOR SOME BRIEF REBUTTAL, MR. INGRAM. WHERE ARE YOU?

>> SPEAKER: BRIEF REBUTTAL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND LISTENING TO ALL THE SPEAKERS BEFORE AND AGAINST, AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON ONE THING AT THE VERY LEAST, AND THAT IS THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY ARE NOT DOING ENOUGH TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS ACTIVITIES WE ENGAGE IN. WYE MY WIFE AND I WERE GOING TO DINNER LAST NIGHT. THERE WAS A FATALITY OF A VERY YOUNG CHILD THAT HAPPENED MOMENT BEFORE.

WE GOT TO THE SIDE OF JAY TURNER BUTLER.

THAT WAS A FREE STRETCH. THERE'S NO TURN LANES INVOLVED.

I CAN COUNT PERSONALLY MANY ACCIDENTS IN FROCHT MY HOUSE.

I THINK WE CAN PICK MOST ANY FOUR-LANE SITE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND IF WE STUDY IT HAD ENOUGH WE WOULD FIND UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE ACCIDENT BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T A BIG FOOD ENOUGH ATTENTION, BECAUSE WE HAVE NEW STANDARDS FOR THINGS LIKE ACCESS THAT WE DON'T INSIST ON RETROFITTING, WE HAVE FULL TURNING MOVEMENTS IN PLACES THAT PERHAPS WE SHOULDN'T, WE HAVE -- IT'S RAMPANT. OTHER STATES HAVE SPEED CAMERAS.

WE DO NOT. SO ON THAT YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF MOTIVES, A LOT OF MOAT VAITDZ PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC SAFETY AT THIS HEARING, AND THAT'S GREAT, BUT THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO TALK TO ARE THE FDOT, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

I'M SERIOUS. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT IF THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS TO BE DONE AT THE SOUTH END OF THE DUVAL COUNTY INTERSECTION THERE WHERE THE U-TURNS ARE.

I WOULD BE GLAD TO BE PART OF AN EFFORT TO IMPROVE THAT.

AS TO OUR PARTICULAR ACCESS, WE ARE PROPOSING A FULL DECEL LANE, WHICH IS MORE THAN WHAT THE STANDARDS REQUIRE.

WE WILL WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND THE FDOT TO MAKE IT TO THEIR SATISFACTION. WE BELIEVE THAT THAT IS A GOOD OPTION THERE. IT'S RELATIVELY STRAIGHT.

BY COMPARISON YOU SAW THE CURVE IN WENTWORTH AND YOU SAW IN THE VIDEOS THERE THEY HAVE A CHALLENGE.

THEY DO NOT HAVE A DECEL LANE. I'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEIR COMMUNITY TO TRY TO IMPROVE THEIR INTERSECTION AS WELL, AND I'M NOT PROPOSING TO DO THAT FOR A FEE.

I'M SERIOUS. IT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE BUT STOPPING A ROWING CLUB IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE TRAFFIC STATE OF IN SMDGES. YOU SAW THE BENEFITS TO THE CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS EXPERIENCE WHO LEARNED MUCH BEYOND HOW TO DIP THE ORE AERO.

WATER. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO SITE THESE THINGS BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE REQUIREMENTS OF COMPETITIVE ROWING, AND THE IDEA THAT THERE'S SOME OTHER SITE WHERE THERE WILL BE NO RESISTANCE, IT'S JUST, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S JUST NOT THE WORLD WE LIVE IN.

I WISH THAT WERE TRUE, BUT MOST OF YOU KNOW I DO THIS A LOT, AND THERE'S ALWAYS SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY RESISTANT TO CHANGE. SO WITH THAT, THANK AGAIN FOR

YOUR TIME. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I REALLY DISLIKE PROLONGING THIS, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, BUT I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DECEL LANE.

IT DROVE IT BACK HOME TO ME. I DIDN'T REMEMBER FRANKLY FROM WHEN I WAS DRIVING UP THERE TUESDAY THAT THERE'S A SIDEWALK RIGHT ALONG THERE. JUST FRANKLY IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT A DECEL LANE IN THERE.

ABOUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THE SIDEWALK OUT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE DISRUPTIVE. WE SAW THAT VIDEO.

THE PRESENTATION THESE FOLKS PUT ON, IF I HAD ANY DOUBT IN MY MIND ABOUT HOW I WAS GOING TO VOTE BEFORE THIS, THAT VIDEO AND THEIR PRESENTATION IS INDELIBLY ETCHED ON MY MIND AND MADE A MAJOR IMPACT ON ME AS FAR AS SAFETY IS CONCERNED.

WHEN YOU'VE GOT A ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFFS OFFICER, YOU'VE GOT A RETIRED FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT PERSON SPEAKING AGAINST THIS, THAT IS VERY IMPACTFUL ON MY DECISION, AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING FRANKLY, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE ROOM FOR A DECEL LANE THERE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD AB ITEM BEFORE US A MONTH AND A HALF AGO OR SOMETHING. I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION IT BUT

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WELL, I DROVE BY THERE AGAIN A COUPLE TIMES BECAUSE I GO ON FOUR MILE RADIOED OCCASIONAL. THERE ARE LARGE CONCRETE ALL THE POLLS WITHIN 12 TWO 15 FEET OF THE ROAD.

THERE'S NO ROOM FOR A TURN LANE IN THERE.

NOBODY QUESTIONED THAT. NONETHELESS, THAT GOT APPROVED.

BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SAY WITH THE SIDEWALK THERE AND THE ACCIDENT RATE, YOUR OWN TRAFFIC PERSON SAID, AND THIS IS A COMMENT MORE THAN A QUESTION, THERE WERE 231 CRASHES IN A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD THAT 75% WERE ON THE DUVAL SIDE AND 25% WERE ON THE ST. JOHNS SIDE. BETWEEN WENTWORTH AVENUE AND THE BRIDGE. SO I DID -- WHAT'S 25% OF 231? THAT'S 57.75. THAT WOULD BE 58 CRASHES BETWEEN WENTWORTH AVENUE AND THE BRIDGE IN A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD.

THIS IS WHAT YOUR OWN TRAFFIC CONSULTANT SAID.

THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ISSUES -- I'M SORRY.

THEY'RE UNACCEPTABLE TO ME PERSONALLY SO I CAN'T SUPPORT

THIS. >> SPEAKER: IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTIONS, OUR ENGINEERS HAVE LOOKED AT WHETHER THERE'S ADEQUATE SWAYS SPACE IN THE ROIFD FOR THE DECEL LANE, AND THE PROPERTY LINE IS SHOWN AND IT DOES APPEAR THERE IS ADEQUATE SPACE TO INCLUDE THE DECEL LANE. WE WILL HAVE TO RELOCATED THE SIDEWALK OVER A PORTION OF THAT, BUT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IT.

WAL OWN THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST, SO IF WE NEED TO MASSAGES THAT, WE CAN DO IT. WE WOULD BE HAPPY, IF YOU WERE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT I DECEL LANE BE PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THAT WOULD BE FINE.

AS TO CRASHES, I THINK YOU HAVE TO ALSO INCLUDE IN ANY EVALUATION HOW MANY CARS ARE THERE, AND WITH THIS BEING THE ONE PLACE FOR MILES TO CROSS BETWEEN DUVAL AND ST. JOHNS, AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE'S A LARGE VOLUME OF CARS THAT GO THROUGH THERE TOO. SO THAT HAS TO BE KEPT IN PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: HERE'S ONE THING I'D LIKE TO KEEP IN PERSPECTIVE IS THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE THERE. IF YOU PUT A COMMERCIAL USE THERE, INSTEAD OF ONE FAMILY COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT PROPERTY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MANY PEOPLE COMING IN AND IDENTITY THAT PROPERTY. THAT COMPOUNDS THE TRACK OF TRAC SAFETY ISSUES, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE WITH THE VOTE I MAKE FOR SOME HORRENDOUS ACCIDENT WITH SOME TEENAGERS ORION THERE. AS I SAID, I CANNOT SUPPORTIVE THIS AND I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE TO DENY THE APPLICATION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE'RE NOT PREYED FOR A MOTION YET.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT WAS JUST STATING IT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: I UNDERSTAND. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE

AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

I MOVE THAT WE DENY TO RECOMMEND PUD 2021-08 EVANS ROWING CLUB BASED UPON TEN FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE HAVE A MOTION, SECOND FROM -- DR. HILSENBECK, SECOND BY MR. PETER.

DISCUSSION? I JUST WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, I MADE MENTION OF BOLL.

I ASKED A QUESTION AND I WANT TO MAKE I VERY CLEAR.

I WASN'T SUGGESTING THAT ALL RESOURCE NEED TO BE ROW AT BOWLS. THE POINT WAS THE BOWLS PEOPLE CAN ROW IN THE RIVER, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY THE EVANS PEOPLE CAN'T, BUT I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT PART.

THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO TELL YOU ALL IS THAT I LIVE FOUR MILES SOUTH OF THIS BRIDGE OFF OF SCOTT ROAD.

MY OFFICE IS ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF A MILE OVER THE BRIDGE ON THE DUVAL COUNTY SIDE. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 15 YEARS.

I'VE PROBABLY DRIVEN OVER THAT BRIDGE, I DON'T KNOW, I GO TO WORK ABOUT SIX DAYS A WEEK, SO DOTE MATH, WHATEVER THAT ADDS UP

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IT'S A PRETTY TOUGH SPOT RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. ALL RIGHT.

IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE.

SO A YES VOTE -- LET'S CLARIFY. A YES VOTE IS TO VOTE FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. SO 6-0.

THAT IS PASSED THE RECOMMENDATION FOR E. DENIAL.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3. [APPLAUSE]

>> MR. MATOVINA: NO CLAPPING, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT. PRESENTER LLOYD AND BRENDA STEVENS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: NONE. >> MR. PIERRE: NONE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. STEVENS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE LORDZ. >> SPEAKER: LLOYD STEVENS 27 -- ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA 32084.

WE -- MY WIFE AND I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY BACK IN FEBRUARY.

AT THE TIME WE PURCHASED IT, IT HAD A DOUBLE WIDE MOBILE HOME ON IT, AND PRIOR TO OUR PURCHASE WE ADDRESSED THE COUNTY ABOUT OUR FUTURE PLANS IF WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY WHICH WAS TO BUILD TWO DISPRENSZ ON THERE, ONE FOR US AND ONE FOR OUR DAUGHTER, AND WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE -- I FORGET WHAT IT WAS CALLED BUT I DID A REQUEST AND THEY ANSWERED A BUNCH MY QUESTIONS AND TOLD ME THAT THIS WAS MY PROCESS I HAD TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS ALL HAPPEN. SO I GOT A COUPLE SLIDES UP HERE. THAT WAS THE ACTUAL REQUEST FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. WHEN WE FIRST GOT THE PROPERTY THERE I WAS MOBILE HOME RIGHT THERE, DOUBLE WIDE MOBILE HOME.

THERE'S WELL AND SEPTIC IN THAT AREA AS WELL AS THERE'S A WELL IN THIS CORNER OF PROPERTY. THE WELL ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY APPARENTLY WAS AN IRRIGATION WELL.

WE DIDN'T FIND OUT UNTIL AFTER THE FACT THAT WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, BUT IT WOULD BE USED STRICTLY FOR IRRIGATION ONLY BECAUSE IT'S AN ARTESIAN WELL, DEEP WELL.

SO THE PROPERTY IS OR AND AG. THIS IS THE MAPS OF THAT.

AND THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN. THIS IS THE WAY WE WANT TO LOCATE OUR HOUSES IF WE ARE APPROVED.

THE TRAILER, THE DOUBLE WIDE TRAILER IS GONE.

WE HAD IT REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY.

THE SEPTIC AND THE WELL IS STILL BEING UTILIZED.

WE HAVE A CAMPER SET UP WILL SO WHEN WE GO OUT THERE ON THE WEEKENDS AND WORK WE'VE GOT A PLACE TO MESS AROUND WITH, SO THE EXISTING WELL THAT'S RIGHT -- RIGHT HERE, IT'S RIGHT IN THIS AREA, IT WILL BE USED LAST TO SUPPORT THAT HOUSE ON THAT SIDE. THE OTHER SIDE WE'LL HAVE TO PUT IN A FEW WELL P ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN NEW SEPTICS ON BOTH SIDES. THAT OLD SEPTIC WILL BE ABANDONED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY BUILD CODES. AND THIS IS OUR INTENT.

LIKE I SAY, WE'RE GOING PUT TWO ON THE PROPERTY, ONE FOR US, ONE THE SPLIT OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE RIGHT AT THE DRAINAGE DIGITAL WHICH IS RIGHT HERE THROUGH THE CENTER.

THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE SPLIT THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS PROTOCOL 3 FINANCE 5 ACRES AND LEAVES 6.THE OTHER .

TOTAL AMOUNT SEVEN .25 ACRES. WE FOUND AFTER WE BOUGHT PROPERTY THIS CORNER IS A BAPTIST CHURCH AND IT WAS ACTUALLY DONATED FROM THE KELLIES ORIGINALLY TO THE CHURCH, SO IT CAME OFF THIS PART.

IT'S ACTUALLY RECORDED ON THE -- IN THE MAPS.

SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I GOT. HERE'S THE HOUSE.

THIS IS WHAT WE PLAN ON BUILDING, FRONTAL VIEWS, SIDE VIEWS. THAT'S OURS AND THIS WILL BE OUR DAUGHTER'S. THE HOUSE IS A DISTANCE OF ABOUT 3,000 SQUARE FEET CONDITION. THE OTHER ONE IS ABOUT 25 SQUARE FEET CONDITIONED. SO WE ASK THAT -- ASK YOUR

APPROVAL. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT.

ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> MS. PERKINS: THERE ARE

NONE. >> MR. MATOVINA: WE'RE BACK

INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I WOULD

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REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE GOT A MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK, SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. MR. WILSON, THANK YOU.

THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0. CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. MR. LOVE.

MCGREGOR. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE? SORRY, MR. LOVE.

>> SPEAKER: NO PROBLEM. GOOD AFTERNOON, MCGREGOR LOVE, 215 NORTH EOLA DRIVE, ORLANDO, FLORIDA --

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THERE WILL BE NO ADDITIONAL IMPACTS ON ANY WETLAND, BUT YOU WILL SEE AN INCREASE OR A DECREASE IN IMPERVIOUS AREA, AND AN INCREASE IN GREEN SPACE, AND PONDS AS WELL.

SO THAT'S SORT OF THE BENEFIT REDUCING THE PARKING THAT ULTIMATELY WON'T BE NEEDED AND PUTTING IT BACK INTO THE LAND.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS AND ASK FOR YOUR

APPROVAL. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? CRESCENT BEACH DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAVE ONE BUT IT MAY BE MORE FOR THE STAFF THAN THE APPLICANT, BUT THIS IS ON PAGE 10 OF THE STAFF REPORT IN THE MATERIALS WE RECEIVED, AND AT THE TOP OF PAGE 10 IT STATES THAT THE ELEVATING POINT PUD PERMITS A MAXIMUM OF 750 MULTI-FAMILY OR TOWNHOME DWELLING UNITS.

IT GOES ON AND SAYS THAT. SECOND PARAGRAPH DOWN IT SAYS, REVIEW BY PLANNING STAFF, FOUND CONSTRUCTION PLANS WERE OOH APPROVED IN MARCH 2022 FOR 350 MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT UNITS WITHIN ELEVATION POINT PUD. THOSE PLANS WERE APPROVED FOR IMVMENT NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, ET CETERA.

THEY IT GOES ON DOWN TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF THAT.

THOSE PLANS CANNOT BE APPROVED UNLESS THIS MINOR MODIFICATION IS APPROVED. CONSTRUCTION PLANS WERE ALSO APPROVED FOR 420 TOWNHOME UNITS, YOU CONN 2019 WITHIN THE ELEVATION POINT 2019 IN FEBRUARY OF 2022.

I ADD THAT UP, WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED NOW BY THE COUNTY, WHAT WAS PERMITTED INITIALLY, IT WAS ALLOWED 750 UNITS, BUT THE COUNTY SUBSEQUENTLY HAS APPARENTLY APPROVED 350 UNITS AND 420 UNITS. I COME UP WITH THAT'S 770 UNITS.

IT LOOKS LIKE 20 EXTRA UNTS OOH HAVE JUST BEEN PUT IN THERE, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S UP WITH THAT.

THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: TO THE CHAIR, IT IS A TITE TYPO. IT'S 750 UNITS ARE ENTITLED, SO WE'LL LOOK AT THE COUNT, BUT THE PLANNER JUST INFORMED ME THAT THEY HAVE NOT GONE OVER THE THRESHOLD OF 750 UNITS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. AND THAT'S 100% GUARANTEE

ASSURANCE? >> SPEAKER: WE'LL LOOK IT UP

AND WE'LL CONFIRM THAT. >> SPEAKER: CERTAINLY, DR. HILSENBECK, THESE HAVE TO BE APPROVED BECAUSE IF THIS REDUCTION IS APPROVED, CERTAINLY IT WOULDN'T RECEIVE FINAL APPROVAL IF IT WAS NOT CONSIST WITH THE PUD.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT STATES HERE, QUO CONSTRUCTION PLANS WERE APPROVED MARCH 2022 FOR 350 AND THEN DOWN BELIEVE CONSTRUCTION PLANS WERE ALSO APPROVED FOR 420 TOWNHOME UNITS IN FEBRUARY OF 2022. THAT'S 770.

AND THAT'S A PRETTY EGREGIOUS TYPO IF THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.

I JUST -- THAT CAUGHT MY EYE IMMEDIATELY, AND I'M NOT HAPPY

ABOUT IT. >> SPEAKER: SURE.

DR. HILSENBECK, I KNOW THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY ATTEMPT TO GO OVER THE AMOUNT THAT WAS APPROVED SO I'M SURE THAT WAS NOT THE INTENTION, AND WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE GET TO THE

BOTTOM OF THAT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE THREE SPEAKER CARDS.

JOHN GLENN. >> MR. MATOVINA: IS MR. GLENN HERE? HE APPARENTLY GOT TIRED OF

HEARING ABOUT -- >> MS. PERKINS: T.J. BERRY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. BERRY. >> MS. PERKINS: AND RAYMOND

SANDERS. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. SANDERS.

SPENCHTS WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE ARE

[5. REZ 2022-22 Home Again St Johns. ]

MR. PETER. >> MS. PERKINS:.

>> AIM MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATIONS 2022-13 ELEVATION POINTE PUD BASED UPON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO SEVEN CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY MR. . IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?

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ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES 5-1.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 5, MS. TAYLOR.

IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH

RESPECT TO NUMBER 5? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM MAUREEN LONG AT MY PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS URGING ME TO SUPPORT THIS, SO THAT'S MY ONLY EX PARTE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: I SPOKE WITH MIKE DAVIS. I BELIEVE IT WAS ON TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK. AND WE JUST DISCUSSED THE

APPLICATION. >>>

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYONE ELSE? AND I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MIKE DAVIS ABOUT THE LOCATION AND HOW THE APPROPRIATENESS OF IT ALL RIGHT.

MS. TAYLOR. >> SPEAKER: KAREN TAYLOR 77 SARAH GOSS' STREET, AND WITH ME IS ELLEN WALDEN AND MIKE DAVIS AS WELL, SO MIKE IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF HOME AGAIN AND ELLEN IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. SO WE'LL TRY TO SHORTEN THIS UP JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU SINCE WE'VE BEEN ALL SITTING HERE FOR A BLITD OF WHILE. SO THIS IS A REZONING REQUEST FROM RG-2 TO PUBLIC SERVICE. AND IT IS 1.8 ACRES THAT'S ON STATE ROAD 16. AND THIS IS, THE INTENT TO RELOCATE HOME AGAIN. IT'S A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT'S DEDICATED TO ALLEVIATING HOMELESSNESS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND TO PROVIDE FOR LONG-TERM HOME, AND I MEAN A LONG-TERM HOME FOR HOME AGAIN TO REPLACE A TEMPORARY LOCATION THAT YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH. THAT WOULD BE THE ONE ON 2070 THAT COUNTY DECIDED THEY NEEDED TO USE FOR SOMETHING ELSE, AND THAT ONE'S GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND THEN THEY'VE REPLACED THEM AND MOVED THEM TO A PLACE ON HOLMES BOULEVARD THAT'S A VERY TEMPORARY TYPE THING, INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE TYPE THING. SO THE PUBLIC SERVICE ZONING DISTRICT IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THIS.

AS I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT, THIS IS FOR A SERVICE CENTER AS WELL AS TRANSITIONAL UNITS THAT PEOPLE WILL LIVE IN ON A REGULAR BASIS. THEY COULD DO THAT TRANSITIONAL UNITS RIGHT NOW, NO PROBLEM WITH THE ZONING THAT EXISTS.

IT IS THE SERVICE CENTER THAT BRINGS US HERE TODAY.

AND SO WE'LL KIND OF GO AND I'M GOING TO LET THEM DO A LITTLE MORE OF THE SPEAKING BECAUSE THEY'RE SO INVOLVED, BUT I JUST HAVE SOME GENERAL LOCATION MAP AND THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY KIND OF RELEVANT TO SHOW EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT HERE, WHERE IT IS, JUST HOW GREAT THIS LOCATION IS FROM AN AREA, JUST IMMEDIATE AREA THAT IT SERVES. AND THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE RELATIONSHIP TO STATE ROAD 16 AND IT'S A SUBSTATION, SOME OF THE OTHER FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT SUBSTATION.

THIS IS THE NEW CIRCLE Q THAT'S GONE IN, JUST A GENERAL IDEA OF THE AREA. A LITTLE BIT CLOSER JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THE LOT CONFIGURATION AND THE BLOCKS AND THE ADJACENT USES, AND THAT'S TRIBUTARY OF THE SAN SEBASTIAN WHICH KIND OF PUTS TO THE END. THE ZONING ON THIS IS RG 2.

RG 2 IS A RESIDENTIAL ZONING SO IT AGAIN DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THE SERVICE CENTER. THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS A VARIETY, AND THIS IS ALL IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AS WELL SO YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF CI, CG, CN, PUD, ALL ALONG THERE.

IT'S IN A MIXED -- IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL C AREA WHICH IS OKAY FOR THE PUBLIC SERVICE, AND ALONG THE NORTH AREA YOU CAN SEE IS A WHOLE MIXED USE AREA, SO THAT KIND OF RUNS OUT ALL ALONG STATE ROAD 16 AND BECOMESSED ON US ON BOTH SIDES IN THE FUTURE.

THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA, SHOWS YOU THE LOT CONFIGURATION, KIND OF SHOWS YOU, TOO, HOW TO PROPERTY COMES WITHIN AND IT TO UNDERSTAND THE SITE PLAN. THERE IS A HOUSE ADJACENT ON THIS PARTICULAR SIDE. THERE'S NOTHING -- THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF HOUSES REMOVED ALONG THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

AND THE LOTS TO THE BACK THAT WOULD BE THESE LOTS DON'T HAVE ANY ACCESS. THAT'S THE SAN SEBASTIAN TRIBUTARY. SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF TURN IT OVER TO THEM. AGAIN, THIS IS FOR A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER. IT WILL HAVE THAT TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, AND I'M GOING TO LET ELLEN AND MIC KIND OF TAKE IT

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FROM HERE FOR A LITTLE BIT. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, KAREN.

I JUST WANT TO TELL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SERVICE CENTER.

WE ARE OPERATING AT 285 SOUTH HOLMES BOULEVARD RIGHT NOW.

IT'S AN OLD CONCRETE PLANT, INDUSTRIAL SITE.

WE ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING A COMFORT STATION AS WE DO NOW.

WE DO A LOT OF CASE MANAGEMENT WITH THE HOMELESS BUT WE SERVE ANYONE THAT COMES INTO THE BUILDING, SO WE SERVE THE GENERAL POPULATION AS WELL. WE DO CASE MANAGEMENT, RESOURCE AND REFERRAL SERVICES. WE DO EMPLOYMENT-RELATED ACTIVITIES WITH THEM. WE DO -- WE HAVE LAUNDRY, SHOWERS. WE PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION TO AND FROM MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH APPOINTMENTS, IF NECESSARY.

WE ALSO DO A DRUG AND ALCOHOL SUPPORT PROGRAM.

WE DO THAT INDIVIDUALLY WITH OUR CLIENTS.

CURRENTLY OUR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE MONDAY, WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY ALL DAY, AND THEN THAT'S FROM 9:00 TO 5:00, AND THEN ON TUESDAYS FROM 9:00 TO 1:00. CURRENTLY WE HAVE 24 OF OUR CLIENTS ARE WORKING, AND 83% OF THOSE THIS YEAR THAT ARE WORKING HAVE REMAINED WORKING AT LEAST 14 MONTHS.

SO I THINK WE'RE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT HELPING PEOPLE BECOME STABLE AND SELF-SUFFICIENT.

WE DO ALSO HAVE A MENTORING PROGRAM WHICH SOME OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS MENTOR THE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE SERVING AS WELL.

WE DO HAVE A LOT OF WOMEN IN CARS RYAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 60 THAT ARE LIVING IN THEIR CARS, AND WE PROVIDE KIND OF A RESPITE, A PLACE FOR THEM TO REST DURING THE DAY WHEN THEY COME IN. LET'S SEE IF I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE.

>> AND I THINK YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE QUITE

A NUMBER CHILDREN. >> YES.

WE SERVE INDIVIDUALS. WE SERVE FAMILIES.

WE SERVE CHILDREN. AND AS YOU MAY KNOW THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS OVER PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN EVERYONE IS HUNDRED AND 800 HOMELESS CHILDREN IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM. SO WE SERVE ANYONE THAT COMES IN SO I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A MAJORITY -- FOR THE LAST FIVE AND A HALF YEARS I'VE BEEN WITH HOME AGAIN BUT PRIOR TO TO THAT I WAS THE COUNTY'S SOCIAL SERVICES DIRECTOR AND RETIRED AFTER A 45-YEAR CAREER, NOT JUST WITH THE COUNTY BUT WITH THE STATE GOVERNMENT AS WELL. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO BILL DUD HE WHO IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE VETERANS COUNCIL.

WE'VE GOT A MAJOR PROBLEM EMERGING IN OUR COUNTY WITH HOMELESS VETERANS, AND SO BILL HAS JOINED OUR BOARD AND WE'VE DEDICATED 25% OF THE UNITS THAT WILL BE USED FOR VETERANS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE A MAJOR ISSUE THAT WE'RE ALL PAYING ATTENTION TO.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: THIS IS A SITE PLAN. YOU HAVE IT IN THERE.

AGAIN WITH SINGLE ACCESS POINT. IT WILL HAVE THAT SERVICE CENTER AND THAT TRANSITIONAL UNITS. AND ALSO YOU CAN'T SEE IT VERY WELL ON THIS BUT WE HAVE THE REQUIRED BUFFERING TO THE CONSERVATION AREA IN THE BACK FOR THE SAN SEBASTIAN TRIBUTARY THERE. SO IT'S REALLY A LOT BETTER THAN THE ONE THAT'S AT HOLMES BOULEVARD BECAUSE THAT ONE'S REALLY KIND OF DISCONNECTED, IT'S IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, DOESN'T HAVE ANY BIKE LANES, SIDEWALKS, ANY SAFE PASSAGES FOR TRAVELING WITHOUT A CAR, AND A NUMBER OF HOMELESS PEOPLE UTILIZE BICYCLES. THAT'S HOW THEY GET AROUND OR WALKING, AND THEY ALSO -- A NUMBER DOUGH USE THE BUS SYSTEM, SO THIS SITE IS DIRECT -- RIGHT ON STATE ROAD 16 AND THEY HAVE SIDEWALKS AND ARTERIALS, AND SO IT'S ALSO ON THE SUNSHINE BUS ROUTE AS WELL, AND AS WE SAID IT'S RIGHT CLOSE TO THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES WHICH ALSO PROVIDES THINGS, THEY ALSO PROVIDE HELP WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO GET CERTAIN ASSISTANCE, NOT EVERYBODY THAT'S HOMELESS LIVES WITHOUT ACTUALLY SOME KIND OF INCOME COMING THROUGH OR WHATEVER. THEY JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO DO ALL OF DIFFERENT THINGS, AND IT'S NOT, AGAIN, IT'S NOT ALL HOMELESS PEOPLE AS WELL SUSPECT SO WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC NUISANCE. IT'S REALLY -- IT'S NOT A FACILITY THAT THERE'S A -- EVERYBODY COMES AT NIGHT AND STAYS THERE FOR THE EVENING OR WHATEVER.

IT'S LIVING UNITS THAT PEOPLE LIVE IN ON A REGULAR BASIS.

THEY SAID THEY CLOSE YOU THE DOWN OOH AT NIGHT.

THEY GATE IT, LOCK IT OR WHATEVER.

IT'S COMPATIBLE, WE FEEL. THERE'S A PLACE FOR CONSULTANT

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IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY NEGATIVE ASPECTS.

I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE LETTERS THAT WERE WEREN'T IN, AND I THINK THEY WERE KIND OF THINKING YOU OF OF IT WAS LIKE THE ONE DOWNTOWN WHERE THE FEEDING HAPPENS IN THE PARKING LOTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

THIS IS A SOCIAL SERVICE CENTER. SO IT DOES A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF SPARSELY DEVELOPED, AS I SHOWED. THE TRAFFIC IMPACT SHOULD BE LOW. AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE FOLKS DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO VEHICLES, SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE INCREASING A WHOLE LOFT TRAFFIC IN THAT -- LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. JUST SOME PICTURES.

THAT'S THE ENTRANCE OFF 16. AND THAT'S ALSO, THAT'S THAT DRIVEWAY AND IT'S LOOKING IN OPPOSITE DIRECTION LOOKING WEST.

AND JUST KIND OF THE ENTRANCE INTO IT.

THERE'S A PATHWAY THERE SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN USED BY FOLKS AT SOME POINT IN TIME, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE PROPERTY AROUND IT AND KIND OF SEE THAT IT'S REALLY, THE WHOLE SITE IS REALLY NICELY KIND OF VEGETATED AND HIDDEN AROUND, SO THAT'S THE NEW CIRCLE K THAT'S AT THE NEXT INTERSECTION WITH MASTER'S.

THAT'S KIND OF COMING ACROSS. THE PROPERTY WOULD BE RIGHT OVER THERE. THIS IS TAKEN FROM ACROSS THE WAY SO IT'S SHOWING YOU THAT INTERSECTION.

AND THOSE ARE THE -- I'VE MENTIONED IN MY THING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HOUSES. THESE HOUSES ARE FOR SALE.

THEY WERE USED FOR COMMERCIAL USES.

THEY'RE ALL BOARDED UP AT THIS POINT AND WHATEVER, AND IT'S THAT INTERSECTION WITH LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.

IT'S A GREAT AERIAL, AND BESIDE BEING A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME HAS A GREAT NEARBY RESOURCE FOR JOBS AND OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THAT CONNECTED CORRIDOR AND YOU ARE CONNECTED TO TOWN WITH THE BUS SYSTEM. IT'S CONSIST WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PROVIDE FOR THAT SOCIAL SERVICE CENTER USE AND CONSIST WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES THAT IT WILL NOT HAVE AN UNREASONABLE IMPACT ON ANY OF THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

ALL DEVELOPMENT WILL BE CONSIST WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WE ARE REQUESTING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

I'D LIKE TO NOTE THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE THAT WERE GOING TO SPEAK. THEY'E NOT HERE ANYMORE AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE SPEAK, SO I THINK ELLEN HAD A LIST OF WHO WAS HERE. I KNOW MR. DUDLEY.

>> SPEAKER: BILL DUD HE WAS HERE.

THERE WERE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM COMPASSIONATE ST. AUGUSTINE. GOOD TROUBLE ST. JOHNS.

OH, WE'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE HERE TOO.

AND SOME OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL.

BUT YOU DID WANT TO MENTION ONE THING.

YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE SERVICE CENTER BEING ON-SITE, IT'S REALLY AN ASSET TO THE APARTMENTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT -- THAT'S HOW WE WRAP AROUND SERVICES TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING THERE. WHEN YOU GO FROM THE STREET TO AN APARTMENT, IT'S A BIG TRANSITION, AND YOU NEED SOMEONE THAT YOU CAN TALK TO ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND SO THAT YOU CAN OVERCOME THE OBSTACLE OF GOING INTO THE PLACE. SOMETHING THAT WE ALL TAKE FOR GRANTED. THESE FOLKS HAVE BEEN ON THE STREET, SOME NOT SO LONG, SOME MUCH LONGER THAN OTHERS, BUT IT WILL BE RUN JUST LIKE BE A REGULAR APARTMENT, AND THE WHOLE REASON AGAIN FOR THE SERVICE CENTER IS TO WRAP THOSE SERVICES AROUND THOSE FOLKS ON-SITE AND BE AVAILABLE FOR THEM.

AND IT'S A BEST PRACTICE IN THE COUNTRY, TOO.

SO I WANTED TO ADD THAT. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

WE'RE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY QUESTIONS?

ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> MS. PERKINS: WE DO HAVE SOME. IF THEY'RE STILL HERE.

OFFICER FISHER. >> SPEAKER: YES.

I'M OFFICER STEVEN FISHER WITH THE ST. AUGUSTINE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'VE BEEN THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS NOW.

I DEAL WITH QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES, HOMELESSNESS, ELDERLY, VETERANS, YOU NAME IT, I DEAL WITH IT.

I'M HERE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE THINGS.

FIRST OFF, THERE IS A CRITICAL SHORTAGE OF TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE COST OF AN APARTMENT IS JUST OVERWHELMING FOR PEOPLE. IT CAN BE UPWARDS OF LIKE $5,000 TO MOVE INTO AN APARTMENT, AND WHEN YOU'RE MAKING $12, REASON.

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I HAVE ALL THE RESEARCH, I'VE BEEN DOING RESEARCH ON THIS FOR WHITE A WHILE NOW. THAT IS A MYTH.

THAT IS A COMPLETE MYTH. IN THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE, 75% OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE GONE INTO HOMELESSNESS HAVE GONE INTO HOMELESS WHERE THEY ARE, SO DHOAN GO FROM PLACE TO PLACE.

THE REASONS THAT THEY MAY GO MIGHT BE FOR CLIMATE, MIGHT BE FOR FAMILY, MIGHT BE FOR JOBS, BUT IT'S NEVER FOR SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED. PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE YOU GO HAS THE SAME OR VERY SIMILAR SERVICES.

THE RESEARCH THAT I WAS ABLE TO COME UP WITH DID COME FROM DR. SAVAGE WHO IS A REGIONAL ADVISER FOR THE UNITED STATES INTERAGENCY COUNCIL ON HOMELESSNESS.

HE CAME DOWN AND TALKED TO US ABOUT BUILDING A SHELTER, BUILDING A DAY CENTER, AND WHAT WAS ALL INVOLVED WITH THAT, AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY A MYTH THAT IF WE BILL IT, THEY WILL COME.

THAT'S NOT TRUE. IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.

THAT'S NOTE TRUE. OKAY.

TO SUM IT UP IN THE RESEARCH, IT'S A HARD FACT THAT NO AMERICAN CITY OR COUNTY ON RECORD THAT HAS BUILT HOUSING FOR THE HOMELESS POPULATION IN RECENT YEARS HAS SEEN AN INCREASE IN THAT POPULATION. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE EXACT OPPOSITE IS TRUE. THE COMMUNITIES HAVE FORTHRIGHTLY TACKLED THE PRESSING ISSUE WITH HOUSING FIRST APPROACH AND SEEN SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE STREET, AND I BELIEVE WE CAN DO THE SAME THING HERE AND WE SHOULD DO THE SAME THING HERE BECAUSE ANY ONE OF US CAN BE ONE OR TWO PAYCHECKS AWAY FROM BEING OUT ON THE STREET. IT'S JUST A UNFORTUNATE FACT OF LIFE. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE AND THANK

YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

WELL SAID, BY THE WAY. >> MS. PERKINS: WARREN CLARK.

STEVE FRICK. >> AND STEVE FRICKE 2950 SPEEDWAY IEWP A RETIRED POLICE COMMANDER WTD STRAWJ POLICE DEPARTMENT. I LIVE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM THIS PROBABLY A TIGER WOODS DRIVE AWAY DOWN WIND.

THE APPROACH THAT ELLEN AND MIKE ARE DOING, I AGREE WITH.

I HAVE WORKED WITH THEM A NUMBER OF YEARS.

THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO BE GOING IN.

WE NEED TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. THERE ARE HOMELESS PEOPLE ON THAT PROPERTY NOW. THIS WILL DISPLACE THEM AND WILL PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT ARE NECESSARY.

WE'VE GOT PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS AREA, IN THE WOODS BECAUSE THERE'S WATER AVAILABLE AND THERE'S WOODS AND IT'S EASY ACCESS TO DOWNTOWN. THIS IS A DEFENDANT BETTER APPROACH THAN THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING BUSINESS.

I HOPE TO SMEAR OF THAT AND I SUPPORT IT.

AND I COULD FIND ELLEN AND MIKE IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG.

>> MS. PERKINS: NANCY O'BYRON OR BURN.

>> SPEAKER: HI. I'M NANCY O'BURN, 5308 SECOND STREET, ST. AUGUSTINE 32080. IFN'S VOLUNTEER WITH HOME AGAIN ST. JOHNS FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS. WE'VE BEEN HERE THAT LONG, TRYING TO GET TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.

AND I'VE HUNG IN THERE WITH THEM.

AND BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THEIR MISSION AND THEIR DREAM.

WE WERE HOPING TO DO THAT ON STATE ROAD 207.

WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT. WE NOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO TRANSITIONAL SUPPORTIVE HOUSING WHERE THESE PEOPLE CAN GO IN AND WE CAN HELP THEM STAY IN, HELP THEM CONTINUE IN THEIR JOBS.

WE NEED THIS KIND OF HOUSING FOR OUR HOMELESS.

YOU SEE THEM DOWNTOWN. THEY'VE GOT NOWHERE TO GO.

WE CAN GIVE THEM A PLACE DURING THE DAY AT LEAST FOR SOME OF THEM TO DO THEIR WASH, TO TALK A SHOWER, MAYBE TO HAVE A MEAL.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE CAN WRAP OUR SERVICES AROUND THOSE WHO ARE GOIFG IN GOING TO BE IN THOSE UNITS.

THEY NEED THAT HELP SO THEY CAN AND I HOPE YOU'LL SUPPORT US.

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THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: JOHN GILLESPIE.

DOUALA WILLS. WE HAVE NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY REBUTTAL BY THE

APPLICANT? >> SPEAKER: NEE REBUTTAL

UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY QUESTIONS? WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A

MOTION. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2022-22 HOME AGAIN ST.

JOHNS BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF

REPORT. >> MS. PERKINS: SECOND.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK, A SECOND BY MS. PERKINS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS A VERY MUCH NEEDED SERVICE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND IT'S VITAL TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND I KNOW THAT THE FACILITIES THEY HAVE NOW ARE INADEQUATE AND THEY NEED THIS NEW LOCATION AND NEW SPACE THAT'S GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO OPEN, ONCE WE APPROVE THIS HOPEFULLY, AND FOR EXAMPLE IN THE LETTER I RECEIVED FROM MAUREEN LONG, IT STATED THAT ELLEN TAKES HOME CLIENTS' LAUNDRY AND DOES IT AT HER OWN HOME FOR THESE PEOPLE, BUT THAT CAN BE ALLEVIATED.

THE BURDEN ON HER TO DO THAT. AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT A BURDEN FOR HER BUT IT WOULD BE FOR MANY PEOPLE, IF WE APPROVE THIS

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SUPPORT IT. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE THING. I HAD A MEETING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, IT COULD HAVE BEEN TEN YEARS AGO AND MIKE DAVIS HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR THAT AMOUNT OF TIME AND SPENDING HIS OWN TIME AWAY FROM HIS CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, AND I JUST WANT TO THANK MIKE FOR EVERYTHING THAT HE'S DONE TO GET THIS DONE. LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0. AND WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6. THIS SAYS CHRISTINA EVANS BUT I DON'T THINK SHE'S GIVING THE PRESENTATION.

>> SPEAKER: I THINK YOU CAN TELL MIME NOT CHRISTINA EVANS.

SHE'S UNABLE TO ATTEND TODAY SO I'M HERE IN HER STEAD.

IS THIS THE -- THIS IS -- I'LL MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH THIS IF YOU. A REQUEST TO REZONE ONE PARCEL 6710 US-HIGHWAY 1 SOUTH I'M SORD RUUD JONES, A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP 7 WRALDO STREET.

I RESIDE A 283 EASTON ROAD, SAN MATEO, FLORIDA.

THE REQUEST TO REZONE ONE PARCEL LOCATED AT 6710 U OF M TWIE HIGHWAY 1 SOUTH FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL.

THERE'S A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT SEEKS TO AMENDMENT THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM RESIDENTIAL B TO COMMUNITY GENERAL BEEN IT'S 2.26 ACRES IN SIZE. AND IT IS LOCATED HERE ON THE MAP JUST NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF 206 AND US-1.

BETWEEN COMMERCIAL A COMMERCIAL CENTER THERE WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE AND SMOKING D'S BARBECUE AND THE COUNTY SOUTHEAST BRANCH OF THE LIBRARY. ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE RV SUPER STORE AND OTHER COMMERCIAL USES.

HERE'S THE EXISTING ZONING AND LAND USE FOR THE PARCELS.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S SURROUNDED BY PRIMARILY OTHER COMMERCIAL USES, SMALL OPEN RURAL PIECE BEHIND IT.

SIMILAR WITH THE FUTURE LAND US USE.

THESE ARE THE PROPOSED LAND USES.

COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL FOR THE LAND USE.

THE COMMERCIAL CONCEPT PLAN IS A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT -- THIS IS JUSTEAU CONCEPT PLAN FOR 13,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL CENTER.

THERE'S A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT POND PROPOSED FOR THE BACK, A BUFFER, 20-FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUFFER TO BUFFER FROM THE RESIDENTIAL USE. THIS SITE PLAN HAS BEEN PER PLITD BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND DRAINAGE FOR IT APPROVED BY DOT. A DOT DRIVEWAY PERMIT TO BE APPLIED FOR AT THE TIME THIS WOULD BE PROPOSED TO GO FORWARD

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THIS WETLAND HASSER BEEN PERMITTED BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT FORE IMPACT. IT HAS ALREADY BEEN MITIGATED FOR. IT'S ANAN ISOLATED WETLAND THAT'S HISTORICALLY BEEN CUT OFF FROM ANYTHING ELSE BY IMPROVEMENT ON US-1, THE PUBLIC LIBRARY AND THE OTHER COMMERCIAL USES TO THE SOUTH. TRANSPORTATION SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. THE EXISTING CAPACITIES ON THE ROAD ARE WELL BELOW REQUIREMENTS FOR SERVICE VOLUMES.

THE ANALYSIS HA WAS DONE WAS BASED ON THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE BUILDING THAT COULD BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY WHICH IS 24,000 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S NOT A PRACTICAL SIZE BASS HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET IF PARKING ON THE SITE WITH THAT SO THERE'S NO PERCEIVE IMPACT TO US-1 OR 206.

THAT'S A PICTURE OF THE SITE LOOKING SOUTH ALONG US-1.

YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH WHERE IT IS.

YOU SEE THERE'S THE RIPLEY'S SIGN THERE THAT'S LOOKING FOR NORTH ON US-1. THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT IS CONSIST WITH THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL LAND USE POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN. THE PROPOSED REZONING IS EXATDIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

AND WE REQUEST RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE BOARD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO THIS IS ITEMS 6 AND 7.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM 7? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? THEN WE'RE BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION ON ITEM 6.

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT SMALL SCALE WANT TO 11 AT SMITH US-1 COMMERCIAL BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

SECOND BY MR. PETER. ANY DISCUSSION?

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I JUST WANT TO SAY I DON'T LIKE YOUR WETLAND IMPACTS BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE

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PREVENT ME FROM SUPPORTING THIS. >> SPEAKER: I UNDER, SIR.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE MOTION ON ITEM 6. ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0 WITH MS. PERKINS.

DO YOU HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 7? >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING WANT TO 19 SMITH US-1 COMMERCIAL BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY MS. PERKINS, SECOND BY MR. PEERTD. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0.

AND WE'RE ON TO ITEM 8, AND ITEM 9, ARE YOU DOING THOSE TOGETHER, MR. WHITEHOUSE? APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE ON ITEM

9? >> DR. HILSENBECK: YES.

I DROVE BY THE SITE ON TUESDAY AFTER I WAS UP THERE TO JULINGTON CREEK. I 1 ON TOWN 13 UNTIL I GOT TO BUDDY'S GROCERY MART THERE, WHATEVER, BUDDY'S CORNER STORE AND LOOKED AT THE SITE AND HEADED DOWN PALM COVE OR PALMO FISH CAMP ROAD, AND -- BUT I THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE SOME LIKEABLE SAND HILL ON THE SITE WHICH IS ONE OF THE COUNTY'S PROTECTED NATURAL COMMUNITIES BUT I SAW NOTHING THAT WOULD

REALLY QUALIFY. >> MR. MATOVINA:

MR. WHITEHOUSE. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, AGENCY MEMBERS, GOORCH.

FOR THE RECORD NAMES JAMES WHITEHOUSE OF ST. JOHNS LAW YIEWB 104 SEAGROVE MAIN STREET HERE IN ST. JOHNS ONTARIO, FLORIDA I AM RESCUED BY THE BAR AS A BOARD CERTIFICATE CERTIFICATE? EXPERT IN CITY AND GOVERNMENT COUNTY LAW HERE ON BEHALF OF THE MAPLES FAMILY TO REQUEST THIS AGENCY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE FOR THIS PROPERTY.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, AS DR. HILSENBECK JUST EXPLAINED, AT THE SPEAKS OF JOE ASHTON REED BE PALMO FISH CAMP ROAD AND COUNTY COUNTY ROAD 13. IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE RECENTLY APPROVED SIX MILE CREEK OUTPOST WHICH IS RIGHT HADN'T WHERE BUDDY BOYS IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE AREA FROM THE MAP ON THE STREEN SCREEN, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BOAT RAMPS IN THE VICINITY TO THIS AS WELL AS A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS, WALL DOLPH VILLAGE EXCELS SILVERLEAF OFF 16 THAT ARE DEED RESTRICTED NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T ALLOW BOAT AND RV STORAGE AND SO THIS IS A GOOD USE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY SIX MILE CREEK OUTPOST WAS ALSO APPROVED.

THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT.

YOU SEE ACROSS THE STREET THERE IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.

THAT'S WHERE BUDDY BOYS IS CURRENTLY LOCATED.

THIS RURAL COMMERCIAL WHERE SIX MILE CREEK OUTPOSE HAS BEEN APPROVED, AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY ON THE SAME COMMERCIAL

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AND THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WAS FORMALLY APPROVED BACK IN 1985 FOR A PLANNED SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT WHICH INCLUDED A BUNCH OF COMMERCIAL USES WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE.

BUT ICE SAID BEFORE, THIS REQUEST IS NUMBER 8 AND NUMBER 9 FOR THE SMALL SCALE COMP PLAN AMOUNT OF WELL THE REZONING FOR THE MAPLES FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT WHERE IT IS SO I WON'T BELABOR THAT ISSUE. THE FORMER COMMERCIAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WHICH WAS APPROVED ON ABOUT HALF OF THIS SITE WAS APPROVED TO CONSIST COMMERCIAL SPACE FOR RESTAURANTS, RETAIL SHOPS, BEAUTY SHOPS, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE SPACE, ET CETERA, AND THIS WAS APPROVED BACK IN 1985 AND FOUND TO BE COMPATIBLE FOR THIS COMMERCIAL NODE INTERSECTION WHERE BUDDY BOY'S IS AS WELL, AND AS I SAID IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM BUDDY BOYS AND PARTICULARLY NOTABLE IS THE FACT THAT THE SIX MILE CREEK OUTPOST, WHICH WAS JUST APPROVED, OR RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THIS AGENCY AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.

IT'S A LARGER PROPERTY, BUT IT'S BEEN -- IT WAS APPROVED TO HAVE APPROXIMATELY DWFL HOW TO SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE, 1500 FEET OF SELF STORAGE AND BOAT AND RV STORAGE AS WELL AS 3,000 SQUARE FEET OF GENERAL STORE, AND ALSO IN THAT PUD THERE WAS THE RIGHT TO REPLACE ALL OF THIS WITH UP TO 36,000 SQUARE FEET OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USES WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTIES.

THIS IS THE MDP MAP THAT'S ATTACHED IN THE PUD AS WELL AS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE LAID OUT ON THE PROPERTY. AS WE TALKED ABOUT AND IS IF STAFF NOTES IN THE SPHAF REPORT WE'RE GOING TO MEET AWLTD NORTHWEST SECTOR REQUIREMENT, AND THAT INCLUDES THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE ALL ALONG 13 AND UP PALMO FISH CAMP.

AS I SAID, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE REQUEST IS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE LOCATION. SO I DON'T BELABOR THAT.

AND AS I SAID, IN YOUR STAFF REPORT YOU SEE THAT IT MEETS ALL THE NORTHWEST SECTOR AND ALL THE CODE REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS. FINALLY, WE DO -- WE'VE MET ALL THE STAFF COMMENTS AND THERE IS ONE WE HAVE REQUESTED.

THIS IS SIMILAR TO IN A LOT OF THESE BOAT AND RV STORAGE REQUESTS THAT A WAIVER TO ALLOW ELECTRONIC ACCESS TO SECURITY INSTEAD OF HAVING ON-STAFF SECURITY FOR BOAT AND RV STORAGE. IN FACT, THAT WAS TBHAIFER I JUST HAD WITH A PUD I HAD BEFORE YOU GUYS A FEW WEEKS AGO HA WAS UP JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THE NORTH OF HERE.

AGAIN, WE WE HAD THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND THERE IS ONE -- ONE RESIDENT WHO SHOWED UP AND HE WAS JUST TO THE WEST.

HE HAD NO OBJECTIONS. WE JUST WANT FOR KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. WE EXPLAINED IT TO HIM.

THERE WAS NO RESPONSE TO ANY OF THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY NOISES NOTICES AND PAIDZ OATD FORE GOINGS IT DOES A HERE APPEAR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS LOCATION, THEREFORE WE REQUEST NAH RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. ANY SPEAKER CARDS? THEN WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION ON ITEM 8.

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CPA SMALL SCALE TWIEWN 13 MAISMS FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL BASED UPON FOUR FINDING OF FACT.

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>> MR. MATOVINA: A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

SECOND BRI MR. PETER. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0.

MOVING ON TO ITEM 9, MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD WANT TO 05 IMAMS FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL PUD BASED UPON NINE

FINDINGS OF AN ACT. >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY MS. Y MR. PETER. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YOU'RE WELCOME.

ALL RIGHT. ANY STAFF REPORT?

>> NO, SIR. >> MR. MATOVINA: AGENCY

REPORTS? >>

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE STAFF IF IT'S POSSIBLE -- YOU I ASSUME IT IS, I DON'T KNOW -- THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF APARTMENT APPROVALS, MULTI-FAMILY APPROVALS LATELY, AND I MEAN A LOT, A PLETHORA, AND I NOTICED A LOT BEING BUILT, TOO, THAT WERE APPROVED A LONG TIME AGO, BUT EVERY TIME WE GET SOMEBODY UP HERE PRESENTING ON MULTI-FAMILY, THEY SAY, OH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MULTI-FAMILY, THERE'S A HUGE LACK OF MULTI-FAMILY IN THIS COUNTY, AND SO AND IT'S NOT WORKFORCE HOUSING NECESSARILY, SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU ALL COULD GIVE US A FIGURE AT SOME POINT, A COUPLE WEEKS, A MONTH,

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>> AND TO BE CLEAR EXACTLY WHAT WE MEAN BY MULTI-FAMILY AS PER OUR CODE OR ARE YOU STRICTLY SPEAKING APARTMENTS OR DO YOU

WANT TO INCLUDE TOWNHOMES? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I WOULD INCLUDE APARTMENTS. YES, PLEASE.

>> JUST APARTMENTS? >> MR. MILLER: CONDOS, TOWNHOUSES AND APARTMENTS. HOW ABOUT THAT? AND MOST OF THESE THAT WE HAVE APPROVED LATELY, THIS BOARD OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO HAVE BEEN APARTMENTS.

SEEMS TO BE A BIG TREND TOWARD AND HAVING PEOPLE RENT THESE THINGS RATHER THAN BY BUY THEM SO IT MUST BE REALLY LUCRATIVE TO RENT OUT APARTMENTS IS WHAT I'M THINKING.

I JUST WONDER HOW MANY WE'VE APPROVED, APARTMENTS AND TOWN -E OUT BY APARTMENTS, TOWNHOUSES, CONDOS IN ONE BASKET, APARTMENTS

IN THE OTHER. >> SO FOR FOR THE RECORD PAST THREE YEARS WE'LL LOOK APPROVED, NOT NECESSARY LITTLE BIT BUT APPROVED SO THEY HAVE THE ENTITLEMENTS FOR MULTI-FAMILY WITH A BREAKDOWN LINCHTS THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

THANK YOU. TO ME ANYWAY.

MAYBE NOT TO ANYONE ELSE. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PETER.

>> MR. PETER: THANKS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I JUST HAD A COMMENT ABOUT WHAT WE WERE WENT THROUGH WITH THE EVENING ROWING CLUB TODAY, AND THIS IS RAIL A QUESTION FOR STAFF REALLY A QUESTION FOR STAFF SINCE WE'RE ALL HERE, AND I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW AN APPLICATION WITH THAT MANY OPEN COMMENTS GETS TO THIS AGENDA, AND GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE TODAY AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME, I JUST -- I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE PROTOCOL.

HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? BECAUSE I MEAN, I SAW SOME OF THE EMAILS BACK AND TERESA HAD RESPONDED THAT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO THE HEARING, WHICH I GET, BUT IT SEEMED THAT IT WAS SO INCOMPLETE THAT WE WASTED A LOT OF TIME TODAY, I THINK.

FELT LIKE IT. >> SO IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

THAT'S COME UP BEFORE TO US OVER THE YEARS.

IF APPLICANT PAYS A FEE FOR AN APPLICATION, ORCH A HEFTSY FEE DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF APPLICATION IT IS.

THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO GO FORWARD DESPITE WHAT STAFF MAY ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO TO RESOLVE ALL THEIR COMMENTS.

PROBABLY NOT THE SMARTEST THING TO GO FORWARD NECESSARILY WITH A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT AREN'T RESOLVED, HOWEVER, AT THE END OF THE DAY IF THEY SAY, PLEASE PUT THIS ON THE HEARING, IT'S OUR OBLIGATION TO PUT IT OAT HEARING, AND, YOU KNOW, DESPITE WHAT WE MAY HAVE ENCOURAGED THEM TO MAYBE NOT DOUGH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT AND Y'ALL MAY HAVE ASKED FOR THIS AND THEY JUST DIDN'T PROVIDE IT, BUT THAT SITE PLAN DIDN'T SHOW THE UNDERLYING EXISTING CONDITIONS ON IT WHICH MADE IT SOMEWHAT, QUITE FRANKLY, MISLEADING, SO FOR INSTANCE, EVERYBODY THINKS THE NEW DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO BE RIGHT WHERE THE OLD DRIVEWAY IS. WELL, THE NEW DRIVEWAY IS ONLY ABOUT 130 FEET FROM THE BRIDGE WHICH MEANS THAT -- I MEAN, THE OLD DRIVEWAY IS ONLY 130 FEET FROM THE BRIDGE WHICH MEANS THE NEW DRIVEWAY WAS GOING TO BE FURTHER SOUTH WHICH WOULD HAVE MADE THE PEOPLE ON WENTWORTH PROBABLY CLAMOR EVEN MORE BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC CURNG RIGHT OUT OF THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN UPON THEM MUCH FASTER. AND THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD THE UNDERLYING INFORMATION ON THAT SITE PLAN.

WHAT THEY GAVE US WAS THE WAY S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AFTER THEY MADE ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS WHICH MADE IT DIFFICULT AND MISLEADING. THAT TURN LANE RIGHT THERE, THE WALL ON THE BRIDGE IS -- IF THE TRAFFIC COULD BACK UP ONTO THE BRIDGE, THE WALL ON THE BRIDGE IS 119 INCHES FROM THE INSIDE OF THE WHITE TRAFFIC LINE, WHICH IS WAY TOO NARROW FOR CARS TO LINE UP IN THE EMERGENCY LANE, BUT THE WALL ANGLES IN AS YOU EXIT THE BRIDGE AND GETS TO WHERE IT'S ONLY 59 INCHES OFF THE WHITE TRAFFIC LINE BECAUSE IT NARROWS TO JUST GO TO WHERE THE BIKE LANE IS, AND SO THAT

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