Oct 18, 2022 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order by Chair]

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>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING FOR OCTOBER 18TH.

I WOULD ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> HERE.

>> ADVICE COMMISSIONER, CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST?

[Additional Item]

>> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH

BLOCKER? >> HERE.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE TOUGH TO GET THROUGH, SO BARE WITH ME FOR A MOMENT. WE LOST PAUL WALDRON LAST NIGHT.

I MET HIM AND HIS FAMILY HARRY. PAUL DID SO MUCH FOR THE COMMUNITY NO ONE KNEW ABOUT. BEFORE HE RAN FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSION HE WAS VOLUNTEERING COACHING BOYS AND GIRLS SOFTBALL, FOOTBALL, ET CETERA. EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT, HE WOULD BE IN THE SHRINER'S FRYING FISH. NOT THAT GREG WOULD BE -- FRYING FISH OR CHICKEN, ON FRIDAY. HE WAS JUST A WONDERFUL GUY.

SOMETIMES WE MAY HAVE HAD A MINOR DIFFERENCE IN POLICY BUT THAT'S SO UNIMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO FRIENDSHIP.

I KNOW MYSELF AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE VERY SADDENED.

AND OUR HEARTS ARE SAD THIS MORNING FOR PAUL AND WE WANT TO REACH OUT TO STEPHANIE AND THE CHILDREN AND WISH THEM, YOU KNOW, GODSPEED AND HELP TO GET THROUGH THIS PERIOD.

PAUL LOST HIS PARENTS TWO YEARS AGO.

FIRST HIS MOTHER AND THEN HIS FATHER.

AND OBVIOUSLY, SUFFERED WITH COVID-19.

SO HE WAS SO TOUGH AND A FIGHTER.

I MEAN YOU ALL KNOW HE'S BEEN CALLING IN FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS WHEN HE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL, AND WITH THAT SAID, LET'S KEEP PAUL AND STEPHANIE AND THE CHILDREN IN OUR PRAYERS.

WITH THAT, I'LL CALL ON PASTOR BOB APPLEBY, COLONIAL CHURCH.

BOB, IF YOU WOULD GIVE US AN INVOCATION.

PLEASE STAND. >> OUR FATHER WE BOW OUR HEADS THIS MORNING, IN NEED OF YOUR PRESENCE, YOUR PEACE AND YOUR COMFORT. WE ASKED HEAVENLY FATHER EACH AND EVERY PERSON IN THE ROOM AND FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS OF COMMISSIONER WALDRON WILL EXPERIENCE THAT WITH YOU, THE COMFORT ONLY YOU COULD BRING, THE HELP YOU ONLY COULD PROVIDE.

MAY THE MEMORIES OF COMMISSIONER WALDRON STRONG EACH AND EVERY PERSON'S HEART. WE HONOR HIS LEGACY AND THE WORK HE'S DONE AS WE HONOR EACH COMMISSIONER AND EVERYONE THAT'S SERVING THE COUNTY. WE ASK HEAVENLY FATHER FOR YOUR WISDOM TO BE UPON THEM, THAT YOU WOULD PROVIDE STRENGTH FOR THE JOURNEY, PROVIDE PEACE FOR THE ROAD THAT'S AHEAD.

I PRAY FOR EACH ONE OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS, YOU WOULD GIVE THEM THE BLESSING THAT YOU WOULD PROVIDE STRENGTH AND HOPE TO THEM AND GIVE HELP TO THEM. I PRAY FATHER THAT YOUR PRESENCE WOULD BE IN, IN ROOM AND YOU WOULD MAKE THIS THE GREATEST COUNTY TO LIVE IN. WE THANK YOU FOR EVERY EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR EVERYONE THAT SERVES. AMEN.

>> I GET TO CALL ON MY BUDDY, A GREAT AMERICAN, GREG WHITE.

>> PLEASE JOIN WITH ME IN HONORING OUR FLAG BY REPEATING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION IN THE VISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE

FOR ALL. >> PLEASE BE SEATED.

THANK YOU, GREG. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROCLAMATIONS

[Public Safety Update]

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, PERRY HIDENER FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICE. FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE SADDENED BY THE NEWS OF COMMISSIONER WALDRON, GREAT MEMBER OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND ON BEHALF OF THE SHERIFF, WE SEND OUR CONDOLENCES. IN AN OPERATIONAL NOTE, WE STILL HAVE 21 FOLKS DOWN SOUTH SUPPORTING CHARLOTTE COUNTY.

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SO THAT'S ON-GOING. IN ADDITION, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF AUTOMOBILE THEFTS.

WE HAVE BREAK-INS TO VEHICLES AT NIGHT THAT ARE STILL CREATING CRIME IN OUR COUNTY. UNFORTUNATELY IN THE BREAK-INS, PEOPLE REMAIN TO KEEP THEIR VALUABLES IN THE CARS.

THEIR COMPUTERS, WALLETS AND FIREARMS AND SO FORTH AND SO SON. THOSE THINGS ARE DISAPPEARING IN THE THEFTS. AND UNFORTUNATELY, NOBODY HAS SERIAL NUMBERS. NOBODY HAS PICTURES OF THOSE TYPE ITEMS. I WOULD JUST REMIND THE PUBLIC TO TAKE PICTURES OF THE ITEMS. IT'S GOOD FOR YOUR INSURANCE UP FRONT BUT IT ALSO WILL ASSIST US IN FINDING THE CULPRITS OF THE CRIMES AND RECOVERING YOUR EQUIPMENT.

THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF SHERIFF HARDWICK AND I'LL TURN IT OVER

TO THE CHIEF. >> THANK YOU, SIR

>> HEY, CHIEF. >> GOOD MORNING..

>> GOOD MORNING. I WILL FOLLOW-UP WITH COMMISSIONER WALDRON. HE WAS A BIG SUPPORTER OF OUR RESCUE AND WE'LL HAVE OUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS. TALK ABOUT THE DEPLOYMENT IN RESPONSE. WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT TEAMS DOWN THERE. THREE IMT MAINTENANCE TEAM, POSITIONS OF CHIEF, BATTALIAN CHIEF DEPLOYED IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, DEPLOYED TO THE TEAM, FIRST TEAM AND BRIAN MITCHELL DEPLOYED BY THE MANAGEMENT TEAM. THEY HAVE ALL SINCE RETURNED HOME. WE STILL HAVE ONE ENGINE COMPANY DOWN THERE IN THE FORT MEYERS AREA, AS YOU WELL KNOW, THEY LOST EQUIPMENT AND STATIONS. SO THEY ARE THERE TO PROVIDE FIRE PROTECTION, IN THE 14 DAY DEPLOYMENT.

ABOUT 7 DAYS IN IT. SO WE WISH THEM SAFETY AS THEY BATTLE THE RECOVERY EFFORTS DOWN THERE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU,

[Deletions to Consent Agenda]

IN 27, THERE'S A LIBRARY POLICY THAT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO STUDY A LITTLE DEEPER AND COMPARE IT OR CONTRAST IT WITH OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND OTHER FACILITIES AND I JUST AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE DETAILS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST WE JUST MOVE THAT TO NEXT MONTH AND SO RYAN OR ANYONE ELSE WHO WISH TO SORT OF REVIEW THE POLICY IN LIGHT OF OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE OPERATE AND OWN. THAT WAS JUST MY THOUGHTS THIS MORNING. I DON'T THINK IT WILL SLOW ANYTHING DOWN. IT'S PRETTY STANDARD.

IT'S BEEN A YEARLY THING, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

FOR THE FIRST TIME, I AM WONDERING, WHY WE HAVE A LIBRARY POLICY VERSUS THE OTHER FACILITIES.

NO BIG DEAL BUT I WOULD LIKE A STAFF REPORT ON THAT, AND NEXT MONTH, IF EVERYBODY IS ON A CONSENSUS ON THAT.

>> YES, SIR >> DAVID, YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE

YOU HAVE A QUESTION. >> NO, IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE BOARD, WHEN YOU MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, THAT MOTION SHOULD BE WITH THE REMOVAL OF ITEM 27.

>> IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[Approval of Consent Agenda]

>> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> I SEE NONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> IF I MAY, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED CONSENT AGENDA, FIRST DELETING ITEM 27 UNTIL NEXT MONTH, OR WHATEVER THE STAFF IS READY TO PRESENT IT.

PROBABLY NEXT MONTH. AND WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD THEN MOVE THE AMENDED CONSENT AGENDA WITH 27 BEING DELAYED.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND, AGAIN, WE HAVE JEREMIAH CALLING IN. WE WILL DO VOICE VOTES.

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER

>> YES, SIR >> THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED, 4-0. LET'S GO TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELEAGUESES TO THE REGULAR

[Approval of Regular Agenda]

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AGENDA. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> NONE, SIR >> DO WE HAVEN A MOTION?

>> MOVE TO PROVE. >> SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD RJTS YES. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> YES .

>> COMMISSIONER? >> BLOCKER?

[Items 1 & 2]

>> YES. >> I VOTE YES THE REGULAR AGENDA IS APPROVED ON A 4-0 VOTE.

THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM ONE. ITEM ONE AND TWO, 2:00 A QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM. LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO AN EX-PARTY DISCLOSURES ON ITEM 1 AND 2 BEFORE GOING.

COMMISSIONER ARNOLD ANY DISCLOSURES ON ONE AND TWO?

>> YES, I HAD A MEETING WITH DOUGLAS BURNETT AND MICHAEL TO DISCUSS, WE DISCUSSED THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND OTHER DENIALS OF PROPOSALS IN THE AREA.

THAT'S IT. .

>> OKAY. CHRISTY. >> MET WITH DOUGLAS BURNETT, AND STAFF IN THE OFFICE, DISCUSSED THE LOCATION, DENSITY, THE

TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND THAT'S IT. >> OKAY, COMMISSIONER BLOCKER ANY EX-PARTY ON ONE AND TWO. TWO, PRIMARILY.

>> COMMISSIONER CHAIRMAN I HAD NO RECORD OF MEETINGS OR PHONE

CALLS ON THIS MATTER. >> THANK YOU.

. >> ON THURSDAY MARCH 31, AT 2:00, I MET WITH DOUGLAS BURNETT AND PAUL MICHAEL TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED PROJECT, THE COMPATIBILITY, TRAFFIC ISSUES, CHANGES THAT OCCURRED BETWEEN THE TWO MEETINGS, THAT THIS ITEM HAS HAD. THAT'S MY EX-PARTY DISCLOSURE.

WITH THAT, IS THE APPLICANT HERE ON ITEM ONE?

>> MORNING, DOUGLAS BURNETT, SEAGRAM MAIN STREET IN ST.

AUGUSTINE FLORIDA. WITH ME, MASTER CRAFT FROM KB HOME. AND ALSO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

IT'S DIFFICULT NOT HAVING COMMISSIONER WALDRON TODAY.

PROJECT AREA, LEWIS SPEEDWAY RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

THEY ARE SEEING SEB BASTIAN VIEW GOING INTO THE SPEEDWAY.

TO GIVE YOU A GOOD LOCATION. RESIDENTIAL C, BOTH SIDES OF THE PROJECT TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH AND THEN RESIDENTIAL B.

ALL AROUND IT. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S RESIDENTIAL B.

CURRENTLY. SUBJECT PARTY, RESIDENTIAL C. IS WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING. IT IS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENTAL BOUNDARY. THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENTAL BOUNDARY IS THE RED LINE.

YOU DON'T SEE IT VERY OFTEN BECAUSE IN THE COUNTY'S MAPPING, WHEN YOU USE I-MAP IT DOESN'T SHOW UP.

YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO TO THE PHYSICAL MAP TO SEE WHERE THE BOUNDARY IS. BASICALLY THIS IS PART OF THE ST. AUGUSTINE METRO AREA. IT'S GOT A RED LINE GOING AROUND IT FOR BEING WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENTAL BOUNDARY.

THIS IS WHERE YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT TO GO.

THIS IS THE LOCATION, THE PLACE AND IT'S REPEATED THROUGHOUT THE CON PREHENCE SIF PLAN, THIS IS WHERE YOU ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD ENCOURAGE COMP, TO KEEP DENSITY WITHIN THE METROPOLITAN WITHIN THE CITY, FOR EXAMPLE.

I WANT TO TELL YOU, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INFORMATION OUT THERE BEING REPORTED BY THE NEWS MEDIA, TRACKING THE VALUES OF HOME, AVERAGE HOME OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THIS IS AN AREA, YOU HAVE JOB BASIS, NOT JUST HERE IN THE COUNTY.

YOU HAVE THE JOB BASE OF BIG EMPLOYERS STATE ROAD 15.

ALL WITHIN GREAT PROXIMITY, TO THE LOCATION.

EASY COMMUTE TO THE LOCATION. AS YOU RECALL BACK IN THE HEARINGS, MAYBE YOU WON'T, BUT PZA HEARINGS THAT WE HAD PAUL MICHAEL FROM KB HOME HERE DISCUSSING THE FACT THAT HOME PRICES, MID 350'S, TO 400 FOR THE HOME PRODUCT.

THAT IS STRIKINGLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING FOR HOME VALUES ANYWHERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

IT REALLY DOES GET TO WHY YOU NEED THE EXTRA DENSITY.

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AND RIGHT IN AN AREA WHERE, YOU KNOW, FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS ARE JUST YOUR AVERAGE ST. JOHN COUNTY RESIDENTS BEFORE THE FOLKS HAVE MOVED IN THAT ARE MOVING INTO HERE.

IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SUBDIVISION THAT MAYBE IS NOT AFFORDABLE OR WORKFORCE BY THE COUNTY'S DEFINITION, IT'S THE NEXT THING UP FROM THERE. ZOPPING MAP, YOU KNOW -- ZONING MAP, THERE'S ZONING THAT'S OBVIOUSLY P.U. D. AND IN THE NEXT, THERE'S R.N.H., THERE'S A NUMBER OF MOBILE HOMES.

YOU SEE A SLITHER OF YELLOW THAT'S INDUSTRIAL.

PUBLIC SERVICES, IT IS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, WE ANTICIPATE THERE MAY BE CAPACITY AT SOME LEVEL.

WE CAN'T FILE AN APPLICATION, UNTIL IT'S ADOPTED, THE COMP AMENDMENT. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE READY, IF IT IS NECESSARY. TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY.

RAJ IS HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS. WE ANTICIPATE PROPORTION.

OVERALL, IT'S AN INCREASE IN 48 PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

LG, ENVIRONMENTAL, THERE'S NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS IN THE PROPERTY. SOILS ARE GOOD FOR THE SITE.

THERE'S NO EAGLE'S NEST ANYWHERE FROM THE LOCATION.

THAT'S COME FROM TIME TO TIME. HERITAGE SERVICES, THERE'S NOTHING OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE ON THE SITE.

UTILITY SERVICE, IT IS WITHIN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

THIS IS IN THE METRO AREA. THIS IS WHERE YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S REALLY UNIQUE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECTS THAT COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, HOW OFTEN DO YOU HAVE THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AS THE UTILITY SERVICE PROVIDER. YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECTS.

HERE WE ARE WITH THE METROPOLITAN CITY, UTILITIES ARE IN PLACE TO SERVE THE PROJECT. WE HAVE OUR VALIBILITITY LEVEL CONFIRMED THERE AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY FIRE HYDRANTS, LOCATED IN THE LOCATION. YOU COULD SEE THE NUMBERS THERE.

TE FIVE DIGIT IDENTIFIERS, WELL WITHIN THE FIVE MILE SERVICE AREA FOR THE FIRE STATION. IN FACT, STATION 12 IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER HERE AND LOCATED IN THIS SIDE OF THE PROJECT. AND THE CONFERENCE, CAP OF 92 LOTS IN THE COMP AMENDMENT. IT'S 24 TOTAL ACRES.

SIX ACRES OF OPEN SPACE. TWO ACRES OF PRESERVED WETLANDS, CENTRALLY LOCATED TO THE SITE. TAKING A CLOSER LOOK ON HOW THE SITE LAYS OUT. THE 10 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER, TWO MAIN RETENTION ON THE SITE. YOU COULD SEE, OPEN SPACE, PRESERVE AND RECREATIONAL AREAS THERE IN THE LIGHTER BROWN COLOR. LOOKING AT HOW IT FITS IN ON AN AERIAL, YOU COULD SEE, PSD TO THE NORTH, TECHNICALLY THE PSD TO THE NORTH, IT'S AN OLD PLANNED SPECIAL DISTRICT.

THOSE ARE CONDOMINIUMS. IN TRUTH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEM, YOU WOULD SAY, THAT'S A DUPLEX. IT'S BASICALLY ONE HOUSE WITH A MIRROR WITH CLEARLY TWO UNITS. TECHNICALLY, BY THEIR DOCUMENTS, THEY ARE A CONDOMINIUM BY TRADE. I CANDIDLY TELL YOU, IT'S A DUPLEX FUNCTIONWISE. THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL, OBVIOUSLY. AND THIS IS WHERE THAT KITCHEN COUNTER TOP, CABINET BUSINESS IS LOCATED.

CHURCH IN THE AREA, WHERE WE'VE GOT A LITTLE JUT OUT, THE CHURCH IS LOCATED IN THE LOCATION. AGAIN, THE INDUSTRIAL THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE AND THE MOBILE HOME DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH.

AND THE OLD DR HORTON, PDU PROJECT TO THE SOUTHWEST.

YOU KNOW, AS A BASELINE, IT ADDS ONLY 26 TRIPS.

AND LET ME SHOW YOU ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE FACED ORIGINALLY WITH THE PROJECT, WHICH IS THE ASSUMPTION THAT LEWIS SPEEDWAY WAS CRITICAL. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLD MAP -- IF YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY'S OLD TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY SPREADSHEET.

THE COUNTY KEEPS A SPREADSHEET, AS YOU KNOW, THAT TRACKS THE TRAFFIC ON DIFFERENT LENGTHS. OUR LENGTH IS LINK 26, WOOD LAWN ROAD. LEWIS SPEEDWAY, FROM U.S. 1.

IN THAT SECTION IT WAS CRITICAL WHEN IT STARTED.

IT WAS ASSUMED TO BE CRITICAL. IN REALITY, WHEN THE TRIP COUNTS WERE UPDATED APRIL OF THIS YEAR, IT WAS FOUND TO BE OKAY. I

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YOU COULD SEE THE SPREADSHEET, THE INFORMATION.

THIS IS THE APRIL 12, 2022 SPREADSHEET.

AGAIN, SHOWING IT'S OKAY IN CAPACITY.

TWO THINGS ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER AND ABOVE FOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT'S FRESH ON YOUR MIND AND ALSO IMPORTANT THAT WE COME IN AND DO SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST THE BASELINE FOR THE PROJECT.

WE DON'T WANT TO COME IN AND JUST DO, A RIGHT D-CELL LANE IN THE PROJECT AND A LEFT CENTER TURN LANE.

TAKING IT FURTHER, WE DESIGN SOME OFF SIGHTS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAS LOOKED AT IT. OUR ENGINEERS, DUNN AND ASSOCIATES HAVE LOOKED AT IT. THERE'S RIGHT OF WAY THERE, THAT WOULD ENABLE US TO ONE, SHOW THIS, THE LEFT SHOWS THE OVERALL IMPROVEMENT. THE RIGHT SHOWS A BLOW UP THIS PARTICULAR AREA RIGHT IN THE PROJECT ENTRANCE.

YOU COULD SEE A CLEAR LEFT AND RIGHT OUT.

YOU COULD SEE A RIGHT IN. VERY CLEAR LEFT IN.

AND THAT DOESN'T INTERFEAR WITH ANY OTHER ROADWAY IN THE AREA.

IT DOESN'T IMPACT NEGATIVELY ANY TRAFFIC.

TAKING IT LOOK FURTHER FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, THERE'S AN AREA WE HAVE ROOM TO IMPROVE. WE CAN IMPROVE THIS AREA BY DRAGGING THE LEFT CENTER TURN LANE AND BUILDING IT FURTHER TO THE SOUTH. WHAT THAT WILL DO, IT WILL CREATE BASICALLY A LEFT-TURN LANE INTO THE CHURCH.

WE HAVE A LEFT CENTER TURN LANE FOR SUNDAY SERVICES EASILY TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE CHURCH. THERE WILL BE A CENTER LANE THERE. ALSO, IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN TO HORSESHOE BAY DRIVE, YOU HAVE AN ABILITY TO LEFT TURN INTO HORSESHOE BAY, THAT WILL HELP TRAFFIC AND HELP THE RESIDENTS THERE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TURN LEFT AND NOT BE CONCERNED WITH VEHICLES BEHIND THEM. AGAIN, THERE'S A LOOK AT OUR PROJECT AND OVERALL AERIAL OF HOW IT FITS IN.

WITH THAT, I WILL BE QUIET AND IN MY PRESENTATION, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. RAJ IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> QUESTIONS FOR MR. BURNETT, ITEM ONE. LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON

ITEM ONE. >> BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS 1 AND 2. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> STARTING NOW. SLOW START.

>> MY NAME IS DEBRA JAMES, I LIVE AT 557 NORTH HORSESHOE ROAD. I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1972.

JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY. NORTH HORSESHOE ROAD COMES OUT AT A DANGEROUS CURVE. WE SPOKE ABOUT MY NEIGHBOR, WHO WAS IN A BAD WRECK TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY.

IT'S STILL DANGEROUS. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY DO, WHAT THEY PROPOSE, LEFT LAP, RIGHT LANE.

YOU KNOW LEWIS SPEEDWAY IS NARROW AND IT'S JUST DANGEROUS.

THE IMPACT THE EXTRA HOMES, IT WOULD BE EVEN MORE DANGEROUS.

I ASK YOU ZONING DEPARTMENT DENIED.

COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DENIED. THE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT IT.

THEY ACCEPT THE PROPER ZONING WHICH IS WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.

WE ASK YOU TO CONTINUE TO DENY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

>> YES MA'AM. >> SHERRY BADGER, 2272 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE. AT THE LAST MEETING, I HEARD MR. BURNETT SAY THIS WAS DONE IN APRIL.

THE LAST MEETING, THEY DIDN'T EVEN USE THE CITY'S CAR COUNT COMMISSIONER BLOCKER BROUGHT IT UP.

YOU ALL DON'T REALLY NEED THIS ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

YOU NEED TO LEAVE IT P.U. D. YOU ALL HAVE TO COME BACK TO WORK, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS TO COME OUT.

THAT'S A MAJOR ARTERY. YOU GUYS NEED TO DENY THIS ONCE AGAIN. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. BADGER. ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO MAKES..

ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT?

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MIC. >> JOE.

>> AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT COMPATIBLE ISSUES.

I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES.

WE LOVE KB HOMES. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE KB HOMES HERE. THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT.

SO LOOK, YOU KNOW, THE PZA HEARD THIS TWICE, CONCERNS FOR COMPATIBILITY, BASED ON THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TART ROAD, MENISHIA Z. THOSE ARE DENSITY OF ONE UNIT LOTS. WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, PZA KEPT THAT IN MIND, AS THEY EVALUATED WHAT THEY DID HERE.

MILLS PLACE IS PROPOSING 4.21 ACRES.

4.21 ACRES. PLANTATION WAS REFERRED TO.

THAT'S 2.46. THAT'S A PROJECT IN 1982.

AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT MINUZEE, THAT'S 1-2 ACRE LOTS.

THAT'S THE TRUE CHARACTER ON WHAT WE CALL THE LEWIS SPEEDWAY NEIGHBORHOOD. P PZA, I HEARD MANY TIMES, LET'S JUST KEEP IT RZBY.

THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES, THIS CLIENT COULD COME BACK FOR A ZONING CHANGE, A P.U.D. WITH 44 GREAT KB HOMES.

LEY SAY, 44 GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR FAMILIES TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. A DENIAL DOESN'T CLOSE THE DOOR ON THIS PROJECT. SO LOOK, JUST A COUPLE OF OPTIONINGS HERE AND CERTAINLY IT'S NOT MY BUSINESS OR ANYONE'S BUSINESS TO TELL KB HOW TO PLAN THEIR PROJECT.

THEY WILL DO THAT AND THEY WILL DO IT WELL.

THIS DOESN'T CLOSE THE DOOR. A RED C DENIAL WOULDN'T CLOSE THE DOOR. OPTION ONE, WILL KEEP VIRTUALLY THE SAME PLAN. YOU MAKE LARGER LOTS.

I'M RETIRED ARCHITECT. I DO KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO SPREAD SITE DEVELOPMENT CLAUSE OVER FEWER HOMES.

THAT'S NOT GOOD. SO LOOK, THERE'S AN OPTION TWO.

THAT WILL REQUIRE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY.

IF THE PARTNERSHIP SAYS, THEY WILL AGREE, THEN 44 UNITS IS POSSIBLE. LOOK HERE, USING THE SAME PLAN, THEY CAN CUT THEIR PLAN IN HALF. THEY CAN CUT THEIR PLAN IN HALF.

HAVE THE SAME LOTS, SAME HOUSES THEY ARE PROPOSING.

LOOK WHAT'S PRESERVED? ALL OF THE WETLANDS.

HALF OF THE NATURAL AREA. YOU KNOW, A PARK SETTING, RECREATION SETTING, WHAT A WONDERFUL PROJECT.

I'M REALLY SAYING THAT. PLEASE DENY RED C.

PRESERVE THE EXISTING CHARACTER BUT PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

MS. COURTO. >> GOOD MORNING..

>> HOW ARE YOU THIS MORNING? >> GOOD.

HOW ARE YOU? >> GOOD.

IT IS A LITTLE FUZZY. CARLA COURTO, 4045 LUCY ROAD.

AS YOU KNOW, LEWIS SPEEDWAY IS SOMETIMES UNSAFE, WITH 1200 CARS A DAY. ACCORDING TO LAPPED DEVELOPMENT CODE, COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS SHOULD ONLY BE APPROVED WHERE ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE, TO PROPOSED AMENDMENT EXISTS OR IS PROGRAMMED. AND THE APPLICANT MUST SHOW THE NEED FOR THE CPA. WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT LEWIS SPEEDWAY FOR LACK OF RIGHT OF WAY CANNOT BE FOUR-LANED.

SHOWN IN THE PROP SHARE AGREEMENT TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION. FAIR SHARE DOLLARS CANNOT BE USED IN THE SPEEDWAY. LEWIS CANNOT HANDLE.

AND TRAFFIC FROM CITY APPROVED WHISPERING CREEK, WHICH IS 102 HOMES, A FLAGLER CROSSINGS, 300-PLUS HOMES ON SAN SEBASTIAN.

AND A PORTION OF 322 FROM RAVEN'S WOOD VILLAGE, THIS TOTALS AT LEAST 881 MORE HOMES ON AND AROUND LEWIS SPEEDWAY,

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AND THEY SAY COME PLANNED AMENDS.

MILLS FALLS IN HORSESHOE NORTH AND SOUTH, THAT WOULD MAKE CURRENT RESIDENTS, ACCESS EVEN MORE DANGEROUS.

THE EXTRA TRAFFIC WILL MAKE THE BLIND CURVE, FOR THOSE ENTERING AND EXITING. THEY ARE IN LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

THE MILLS REPORT, IT WOULD BE AN EXPANSION OF AN ADJACENT RED C PROPERTIES. PROPOSED PROJECT WOULDN'T BE COMPATIBLE WITH LEWIS SPEEDWAY NEIGHBORHOODS.

IT DOESN'T MATCH THE CHARACTER OF HORSESHOE AND ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS, WITH HOMES 1-2 ACRE LOTS.

THE NEIGHBORHOODS WILL RECEIVE LARGE LOT OA NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE APPLICANTS STATE THERE'S A NEED IN THE AREA FOR HIGH TINSITY DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S ALREADY THOUSANDS OF HOMES APPROVED AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION, NORTH, WEST AND EAST OF SPEEDWAY. AND THIS PROJECT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL TWICE, WITH NO -- WITH CAP PATIBILITY.

I URGE YOU TO DENY THE REQUEST, AND ALSO REZONING, UNLESS THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO REZONE TO RESBY.

. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDAS 1 AND

2. >> JOCELYN NAPPER, 3332.

AND I KINDLY ASK THAT YOU DENY IT.

WE CAN HARDLY GET OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY NOW DUE TO THE TRAFFIC.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING 800-SOMETHING TEPS DIRECT TRIPS DIRECTLY ACROSS OUR DRIVEWAY. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS 1 AND 2.

I'M SEEING NONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO FOLLOW-UP ON SOME RESPONSES?

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. I'VE ASKED RAJ CHANDELIER TO COME UP WHO IS OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, SIR

>> RAJJY CHINNEDLER, WITH CHINNEDLIEU TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS.

8843. JACKSON CITY FLORIDA.

AND FOR THE ANALYSIS PURPOSES, WHEN WE DID THE ANALYSIS, THE LINK WAS CRITICAL AT THAT TIME BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE SPREADSHEET. WHEN THE ACCOUNTS ARE NOT DONE.

AND WHEN THE COUNTY DID THAT AND DID THE COUNTS EARLIER THIS YEAR BASED ON THE ACTION TRIP COUNT, IT'S NOT CRITICAL.

AND ON TOP OF THAT, ADDING THE TURN LANES WOULD IMPROVE THE

S.A.T. AND FLOW OF TRAFFIC. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> THANK YOU FOR MAKING THOSE POINTS.

WE HEARD SOMEONE IN PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT'S NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE FACTS.

>> THIS IS ACTUALLY THE COUNT ON THE ROAD.

ACTUALLY, TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD IS COUNTED.

I'M NOT SURE STO INCLUDE THE TRAFFIC IN THE CITY IN ST.

AUGUSTINE. THAT'S SOMETHING I DON'T UNDE UNDERSTAND.

>> IT IS THE COUNT, PUTS INTO COUNT.

IT DOESN'T DIFFERENTIATE WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM.

IT COUNTS AS TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD.

. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

>> LEAVE A COPY. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS, WE WANT TO, THE MASTER CRAFT, KB TEAM ENGINEER WAS ABLE TO GIVE ME SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

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WITHOUT FAILING TRAFFIC AT THE LOCATION, WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO PROVIDE SOME IMPROVEMENT.

WE'RE UNDER EXISTING LAND USE, WOULD PROVIDE I WILL SAY, I'M AUTHORIZED ON BEHALF OF KB TO OFFER THAT WE WOULD REDUCE OUR TOTAL DENSITY FROM THE TEXT AMENDMENT CURRENTLY BEFORE YOU, THAT'S 92, DOWN TO 76.

THE PREJECT STILL WORKS FOR THEM AT 76 LOTS.

IT'S ABOUT 20 PERCENT OF THE PROJECT.

KEY FACTORS, THAT IT DOES, THE ROADWAYS DON'T MOVE.

AND THE RETENTION PONDS. WHAT IT DOES, IT MAKES THE LOTS LA LARGER.

IT'S THE SAME BASIC PROJECT. AND THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY CHANGES, 43 FOOT WIDE LOTS. AND THEN YOU GO TO 92 TO 76.

OBVIOUSLY, WE MAKE THE PUD, MIRROR THE CHANGE IT'S WHAT WE OFFER TO THE COUNTY AS A, AND GETTING THE PROJECT APPROVAL TODAY THAT WOULD GIVE THE COUNTY, A LARGER LOT SIZE, AND GIVES THEM A ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT THE ROADWAY RESIDENTS.

>> BACK TO THE BOARD, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION

ON ITEM ONE? >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. BURNETT. MR. BURNETT, AS YOU KNOW, THE MAP IS A GUIDE FOR WHAT'S COMING.

IT'S ZONED FOR OR NOW. IT SORT OF TELLS FOLKS, BHA THE DEVELOPMENT MAY LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.

WHY NOT JUST BRING IT IN AT REZ B.

EVEN THOUGH YOU BRING IT DOWN TO 76, IT IS STILL SURVIVED BY RZB?

>> IT'S A FUNCTION, YOU WOUND UP WITH A DIFFERENT PROJECT.

AND YOU COULD GO FROM 43 FOOT WIDE LOTS -- THEN YOU COULD GO FROM A 43 FOOT WIDE LOT TO 73 FOOT WIDE LOT.

YOU WILL GET A DIFFERENT HOME PRODUCT.

THE HOME PRODUCT OF THE 1800, TO 2300 SQUARE FOOT HOME, ON THE 23 FOOT WIDE LOTS, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE HOME PRODUCT YOU WILL GET ON A 73 FOOT WIDE LOT. WILL YOU GET A LARGER HOME.

YOU WILL GET A PRICE POINT THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF WHAT THE COUNTY AVERAGE IS, WHAT WE'RE SEEING EVERYWHERE IN OUR COUNTY FOR PRICING RATHER THAN SOMETHING THAT'S MAYBE NOT AFFORDABLE BUT SUB-400,000 AS A SELLING PRICE IS A PRETTY INCREDIBLE NUMBER FOR ANYPLACE IN OUR COUNTY AND THAT'S THE KEY TO THE PROJECT. THAT'S WHY KB HAS ASKED FOR THE INCREASE IN DENSITY. IT MAKES GOOD ACCEPTS IN THE LOCATION. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANKS FOR THE ANSWERS. >> AND IS THERE A MOTION?

>> IS THERE NO MOTION? I KNOW IT IS.

IF THERE'S NO MOTION, I WILL MAKE A MOTION.

LET ME PREFAS MY MOTION IN SAYING, I HAVE TO SAY, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS MADE A GOOD-FAITH EFFORT TO DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND REDUCE THE NUMBER OF UNITS WHEN I'M SITTING HERE, LOOKING AT IS NOT JUST ONE PZA VOTE BUT TWO PZA VOTES OF A 4-2 DENIAL. I HAVE RELIED SO HEAVILY ON THE VOLUNTEER MEMBERS TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS AND BRING TO US GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS. WITH THAT SAID, I WILL MAKE A MOTION, TO DENY CBA, 2041, MILLS PLACE, BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS,

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>> SECOND. .

>> WE HAVE A SECOND AND MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN -- OH, ME, YES WITH THAT, MOTION PASSES, 4-0.

>> ITEM NUMBER 2, CONSIDERING THE FACT, RESIDENTIAL HAS CURRENT LAND USE THAT WILL ALLOW THE CONSIDERATION OF THE P.U.D., OBVIOUSLY SCALED BACK WITH THE CONSISTENT OF THE DENSITY.

I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSIONER TO RE REMAND, ITEM NUMBER 2, WITH CONSISTENT WITH TODAY'S ACTION.

THE P.U.D. HAS TO BE REVISED, SUBMIT THE REVISED TEXT TO STAFF AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK FOR THEM TO REVIEW THE P.U. D. MY RECOMMENDATION, WAS ZONING CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING LAND USE WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT P.Z.A., WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER. IT WAS THE LAND USE ISSUE.

THAT'S WHY WE'VE FALLEN TODAY. I ASK FOR A REMAND ON THE

P.U.D., OBVIOUSLY. >> ON NUMBER 2.

IS THERE A MOTION ON ITEM 2? >> WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR LEGAL SPOTS ABOUT POTENTIAL CIRCUMSTANCES ABOUT REMANDING

P.Z.A. >> CHRISTINE VALOR, COUNTY SENIOR ATTORNEY. GOOD MORNING, I THINK THE BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO REMAND IT BACK, FOR REVISED P.U.D.

AMICATION, OR THE BOARD COULD DENY THE REQUEST.

>> MS. VALOR, IF WE DENY THE REQUEST, WE CAN STILL COME BACK

WITH A REVISED P.U.D.? >> THERE COULD.

THERE'S A ONE YEAR COOLING-OFF PERIOD, IF YOU WILL.

THE BOARD COULD WAIVE THAT ONE YEAR LIMITATION AS WELL.

. >> THANK YOU, MR. VALOR.

>> IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS

MR. BURNETT? >> NO, SIR, ASIDE FROM MY CLIENT, K.B., IT JUST SEEMS THE LAND USE IS NOT WORTH ZONING.

I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT K.B. UNDERSTANDS THAT, BUT TO DENY THE P.U.D. UNDER CONSIDERATION, SEEMS LIKE THE OWNER APPLICANT SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

>> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION ON 2?

>> BURIED IN HERE. GIVE ME A SECOND.

>> I'M GOING TO >> I'M GOING TO MOVE RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF P.U.D.2016, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RSD TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT OF 92 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BASED ON TEN FINDINGS OF STAFF AS PROVIDED TO THE REPORT.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> YES, SIR

[3. Public Hearing * PUD 2021-26 Mivo Multi-Family Development PUD]

>> AND I'VE ALSO VOTED YES. THAT PASSES 4-0.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 3, I BELIEVE.

. >> MR. INGRAM.

>> ITEM THREE IS QUASI JUDICIAL. WE NEED EX-PARTY.

>> OH, I FORGOT. THAT'S THE LAST ONE.

HOLD ON. WE HAVE AN EX-PARTY ON ITEM THREE. I WILL START WITH COMMISSIONER

ARNOLD? >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 13TH, APPROXIMATELY NOON, I MET WITH TOM INGRAM AND STAFF. WE DISCUSSED THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. WE DISCUSSED THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA, TRAFFIC PATTERNS, INTERCHANGE OF WATSON ROAD AND

DENSITY. >> OCTOBER 13TH, 2:30.

TOM IAN, JOHN WOODARD AND STAFF IN THE OFFICE.

WE DISCUSSED MANY OF THE SAME THINGS THAT COMMISSIONER ARNOLD

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DISCUSSED. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER EX-PARTY

ON ITEM 3? >> I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. THOMAS INGRAM YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, APPROXIMATELY 1600.

WE SPOKE OF OTHER ISSUES, AS FAR AS DRAINAGE, SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND SOME OF THE AREA CONCERNS.

>> OKAY. >> AND ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER 13TH, AT 12:00, I MET WITH TOM INGRAM AND IAN SLAVEN AND JOHN WOODARD TO DISCUSS THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND TRAFFIC ISSUES AND DRAINAGE AND WETLAND ISSUES REGARDING THE PROPOSAL. THAT COMPLETES OUR EX-PARTY, TOM. YOU'RE UP NEXT.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU FORESEEING US TODAY AND I'M VERY SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH HIM.

HE WILL BE REMEMBERED BY THE COMMISSION AND ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE HIS ADVOCACY FOR PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATER.

I HOPE YOU ALL WOULD CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH SOME OF HIS INITIATIVES. I'M HERE, TOM INGRAM, 233 EAST BASE STREET, SWEET 113 JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT AND ALSO REPRESENTING THE LAND OWNERS, RON POLUSO. AND THIS IS A POE POSED 60-70 MILLION INVESTMENT IN NEW FAMILY HOUSING.

AND IT'S PROPOSED AS 204 DWELLINGS, 45 FEET HIGH.

THIS IS IN THE SCHEME OF MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.

IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL DEVELOPMENT.

TYPICALLY, YOU'LL SEE MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS AT LEAST 340 AND AS HIGH AS 350-400 UNITS. HERE'S OUR TEAM.

THEY ARE HERE TODAY EXCEPT FOR BILL SHILLING.

BOB IS HERE AS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

WE'LL BRING HIM UP AS NEEDED, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THIS IS IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, U.S. DIXIE SOUTH, ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH IS TO THE EAST. WATSON IS IN THE INTERSECTION.

AND IT'S A MIXED DISTRICT. IT'S A MOST USED DISTRICT THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS. ALLOWS INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, RETAIL AND MULTI-FAMILY, 13 UNITS DEVELOPMENTAL ACRE AND COMMERCIAL ACRE, 4-RATIO. YOU COULD NEARLY PUT 5,000 RETAIL ON THE SITE. THE OTHER THING TO NOTE, THIS IS PART OF MIX USE AREA THAT'S NOT REQUESTED THROUGH THE NORMAL PLANNED AMENDMENT PROCESS, WHERE THE LAND OWNER SEEKS THE AMENDMENT. THIS IS PART OF YOUR PLAN.

THIS IS PART OF THE MIXED USE CORRIDOR, ALONG THE SOUTH AND NORTH TO ST. AUGUSTINE. THIS IS WHERE GROWTH HAS BEEN PLANNED. JUST TO GIVE YOU THE PERSPECTIVE, THE MODERN HAS BEEN AROUND AND REALLY THE KEEPER OF THE KNOWLEDGE IN TERMS HOW LONG THINGS HAVE BEEN AROUND.

I BELIEVE IT'S THE EARLY 90S WHEN THIS FIRST CAME ABOUT.

YOU HAD THE 2010 COME PLANNED. AND WHEN THEY SAID 2020, IT'S WAY IN THE FUTURE. NOW THE 2030 AND 2040.

THIS AREA HAS BEEN DESIGNATED FOR DEVELOPMENT.

THE 2000 CONSENSUS SHOWED A POPULATION, 123,000 PEOPLE.

WE'RE NOW AT 300,000. WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE GOING TO LIVE? I THINK THIS IS A SITE, THAT THE COUNTY HAS PLANNED FOR HOUSING AND GROWTH AND MIXED USE FOR SO LONG. IT'S PAST TIME.

HERE'S THE ZONING MAP. UNLIKE -- ZONEINGS ARE DONE BY THE LAND OWNERS. IN THIS CASE, IT'S REMAINED OPEN. EVEN THOUGH IT'S SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT NOW. YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL TO THE WEST AS WELL. YOU MAY BE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, EVEN. THERE'S SOME INDUSTRIAL USES AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS JUST ZOOMED OUT FOR YOU TO GIVE YOU PERSPECTIVE. THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR, IT'S PRIMARILY RETAIL ALONG THE U.S. 1.

THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH, THAT'S FURTHER TO THE SOUTH. THIS IS OVERALL AREA SHOWING THE ZONING, SHOWING THAT THE MORE INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN DONE ALONG U.S. 1 SOUTH. AND AGAIN, HERE'S THE AERIAL

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IN TERMS OF OTHER MULTIFAMILY IN THE AREA.

THESE ARE VARIOUS MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.

MOST ARE MUCH OLDER AND MOST OF THEM ARE CONDOMINIUMS, DONE IN THE CONDO BOOM. THE SUMMER BREEZE APARTMENTS IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT DONE WITH SUBSIDIES TO THE SOUTH. THE DOT IS THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S QUITE A VARIETY OF RETAIL IN THE AREA.

YOU HAVE A PUBLIC TO THE NORTH. YOU HAVE WINN-DIXIE TO THE SOUTH. YOU HAVE A CVS ACROSS THE STREET. IN THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

THE NICE THING ABOUT THE PROPOSAL, IT WILL HELP CREATE A TRUE MIXED USE COMMUNITY WITH THE ADDITION OF MULTI-FAMILY, A PLACE THAT PEOPLE COULD WALK ACROSS THE STREET, SHOP, EAT, OR WHAT HAVE YOU. M MENT. AGAIN, ZOOMED OUT VIEW.

WE HAVE $2 GENERALS IN THE PICTURE.

THEY ARE EVERYWHERE. HERE'S THE INTERSECTION BETWEEN U.S. 1 AND WATSON ROAD. IT WAS TAKEN TWO YEARS AGO, FROM GOOGLE, BEFORE THE CLEARING OCCURRED IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER. IT'S A TWO LANE ROAD.

WATSON IS TWO LANE ROAD, IN U.S. 1, DIVIDED 4 WAY HIGHWAY.

THIS IS THE NORTHWEST CORNER. THIS IS TAKEN EARLIER THIS YEAR, CONSTRUCTION IS UNDER WAY, FOR RETAIL SHOPPING CENTERS.

IT'S NOT HUGE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, HAS SOME IN-LINE STORES AND BELIEVE THE FAST-FOOD WOULD DRIVE THROUGH AS PLANNED.

AND HERE'S OUR SITE. THIS IS THE VIEW OF THE CORNER OF THE WATSON ROAD AND U.S. 1. SO THE REQUEST IS FOR 204 APARTMENTS. THESE ARE MARKET RATE.

IT WILL BE TWO ACCESS POINTS. IT WILL BE ON WATSON ROAD.

IT WOULD BE ON EXIT ONLY. ANY TRAFFIC WOULD COME OFF U.S.

1. THERE WOULD BE AN EXIT.

IT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE LIVING THERE TO GET TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, SO THEY CAN MAKE SAFE LEFT TURNS, TO THE NORTH.

SO THERE ARE NO WAIVERS REQUESTED.

WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE PROPOSING AT WATSON ROAD AND U.S. 1, WHICH IS A FREQUENT COMPLAINT FROM RESIDENTS LIVING IN THE AREA, THAT IS UNDER DESIGNED. HERE'S THE SITE PLAN.

SO ESSENTIALLY, WE PUT THE BUILDINGS TOWARDS THE MIDDLE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THE RETENTION POND IS TO THE NORTH. IT'S WHERE THE WATER FLOWS.

WATER IN THE AREA GENERALLY FLOWS NORTH AND EAST TOWARDS MULTIRY CREEK, WHICH IS A WAY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS TO THE WEST. THERE'S ALSO A BUFFER IN THE WESTERN BOUNDARY. WE'RE PROPOSING A 20 FOOT BUFFER, TOGETHER WITH THE 6 FOOT FENCE WITH THE WESTERN BOUNDARY FOR MULTIRESERVE COURT. THIS IS GOING TO BE, LIKE YOU'VE SEN IN OTHERS, HIGHLY MANITTIZED MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THE CLOSEST BUILDING TO MULTIRY RESERVE COURT AND RESIDENTS HERE IS ABOUT 97 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE. THAT'S THE BUILDING ON OUR SIDE.

THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO OFF OUR PROPERTY, IS ABOUT 150 FEET. HERE'S THE SITE PLAN THAT'S ON FILE. IT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE COLOR.

THAT'S WHAT THE SITE PLAN IS. NOW WE MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE. WE HAVE AS STATED, EXCEEDED THE CODE IN THE BOUNDARIES. NO WAIVERS AND WE'RE PROVIDING TWO ACRES OF ACTIVE RECREATION. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. OTHERWISE I WOULDN'T BE HERE.

THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S DESIGNATED FOR GROWTH IN THE MIXED USE DISTRICT. IT'S APPROPRIATE AND RES RECOGNIZING THE PLAN, THAT YOU COULD HAVE A HOUSE, WHERE ONE LOT IS SMALLER THAN THE OTHER. RESIDENTIAL IS COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL. HOMES ARE NOT SENTIENT BEINGS.

THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE OF THEM GETTING ALONG.

THEY ARE JUST THINGS. IF ANYONE SUGGESTS THAT ZONING IS TO KEEP PEOPLE OF A DIFFERENT SOCIO ECONOMIC STATUS, THEY WERE

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THE APARTMENTS COULD GET ALONG WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND IT IS COMPATIBLE AND WE'RE OVER BECAUSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY LIKES THEIR PRIVACY, OBVIOUSLY AND WE'RE PROPOSING A 20 FOOT BUFFER WITH 6 FOOT FENCE ALONG MULTIRY RESERVE COURT.

AND OUR TRIP GENERATION, IT'S ABOUT 108 PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

IT'S ABOUT ONE TRIP EVERY 30 SECONDS DURING THE RUSH-HOUR.

AND IT RETAILS ABOUT TEN TIMES THAT.

AND THIS PROJECT AND I DON'T GET TO SAY THIS VERY OFTEN, WHEN I'M REPRESENTING APPLICANTS. THE PROJECT MEETS TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY. THEY RAN THE TEST, OUT FOUR MILES, LOOK AT EVERY INTERSECTION.

IT MEETS TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY. NO IMPROVEMENTS OR NEEDED.

I HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS IN THE LAST FEW HOURS WITH JAN, WHERE SHE SAID, YEAH, IF YOU BUILT YOUR PROJECT WITHOUT THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, YOU'RE PROPOSING IT WOULDN'T MEET CONCURRENCY. WE DISAGREE.

NONETHELESS, WE ARE PROPOSING IMPROVEMENTS.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVERYTHING IS FINE.

WE WILL SHOW YOU THE IMPROVEMENTS.

I KNOW YOU DENIED A LOT OF STUFF LATELY.

IT SEEMS, THE PRIMARY CONCERN, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TRAFFIC CAPACITY. HERE'S THE ONE PROJECT THAT MEETS CONCURRENCY. PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND.

HERE'S THE ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE PROPOSING.

IT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEE CREDITS.

RIGHT NOW IT'S TWO LANES WITH NO TURN LANES.

THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE CUEING IS BEING EXCESSIVE.

WAIT TIME IS EXCESSIVE. INITIALLY WE PROPOSED A SINGLE LEFT-TURN LANE GOING NORTH BOUND.

AFTER THE PZA, WE LOOKED AT IT AGAIN.

WE'RE PROPOSING A DOUBLE LEFT AND THOROUGH LANE.

IT WILL REASSIGN IN THE AREA WATSON TO THE EAST.

IT COULD BE OFFSET AND IT WILL BE CONFUSING TO DRIVERS.

THIS WILL FIX T INTERSECTION CHALLENGES FOR WATSON ROAD.

IT WILL HELP EVERYONE IN RESIDENTIAL ROAD.

AGAIN, WE'RE PROPOSING EXIT ONLY OUT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON TO WATSON. HERE'S JUST A ZOOM OF IT, TO SHOW, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THIS WILL ALSO HELP THE RETAIL TO THE NORTH. THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS FOR THE RETAIL TO BUILD ANY IMPROVEMENTS.

WE HOPE THAT'S A WIDELY SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT.

THIS SHOULD HELP THAT, AND AS WELL, AS MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST. DRAINAGE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN RAISED. AS I'VE SPOKEN WITH COMMISSIONER ARNOLD AND OTHERS, THERE'S A CONCERN AND EXISTING ISSUES WITH DRAINAGE WEST IN THE WATSON ROAD AREA.

WHAT WE CAN DO, WE WILL TAKE CARE OF OUR DRAINAGE.

ENGINEERING IS SCIENCE. IT'S NOT POLITICS.

IT CAN'T BE SOLVED WITH THREE MINUTES AND MY COMMENTS TODAY.

WE CAN'T CAUSE, AS A MATTER OF LAW, WE CANNOT CAUSE ANYONE TO FLOOD. WE WILL HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS, WORKING -- AND THEY'VE DONE SOME ANALYSISES ALREADY. WE WILL HAVE THEIR WORK.

IT WILL BE REVIEWED BY ENGINEERS AT THE WATER DISTRICT.

IT WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE ENGINEERS AT THE COUNTY.

IT HAS TO MEET STANDARDS, TO ON THAN, AS WELL AS PROVIDE PREAND POST FLOW. IF WE NEED MORE, WE CAN GET INTO THAT. THE WATER FLOWS NORTH AND EAST.

IT DOESN'T FLOW TOWARDS THE WATSONVILLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ANY WATER THAT COMES FROM THE WATSONVILLE NEIGHBORHOOD TO OUR PROPERTY, WE ARE REQUIRED TO ADDRESS.

WE CANNOT BLOCK THEIR FLOW. IF WE HAVE TO REROUTE IT, WHATEVER IT TAKES -- IF IT CAN'T BE DONE, THE PROJECT DOES EXIST.

IT CAN BE DONE. >> YOU KNOW WHERE MULTIRY CREEK IS. IT'S TO THE NORTH.

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>> THERE'S WETLANDS, THAT LEAVES ABOUT 8.6 ACRES.

THEY'VE BEEN IMPACTED BY SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.

THEY HAVE EXOTIC VEGETATION. WHAT WE'VE LEARNED OVER DECADES OF WETLANDS PERMITTING AND REGULATION AND MITIGATION, IS THE BEST WAY TO PRESERVE WETLANDS ECOSYSTEMS IS THROUGH LARGE MITIGATION BANKS, WHERE YOU HAVE ACTIVE MANAGEMENT.

THEY SERVE LIMITED ECOLOGICAL VALUE.

WHEN YOU HAVE LITTLE POCKETS IN URBAN AREAS, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT THE BEST PLAN. THAT WAS NOT INITIALLY DONE BY THE STATE. THEY ARE BOTH IN AGREEMENT TO USE REGIONAL MITIGATION BANKS. HERE'S THE EXAMPLES OF THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. ONE IS IN BEACH WALK.

JUST THE TYPE OF HIGHLY MANITTIZED MULTI-FAMILY, 2 AND C. .

>> AND FINALLY WE KNOW THERE'S A NEED OF HOUSING.

IT'S ACROSS ALL SECTORS. THIS WILL INCREASE THE SUPPLY.

THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSING STOCK, THAT WILL PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOW-INCOME HOUSING, IF YOU PROVIDE MORE MARKET RATE HOUSING. AS YOU KNOW, WE SEE OUT OF STATE PLATES COMING IN. WE HAVE CHILDREN GROWING UP THAT NEED A PLACE TO LIVE, THAT MAY WANT TO FORM THEIR OWN HOUSEHOLD, WITH INTEREST RATES AND MORE CONCERNS ABOUT HOME INSURANCE, NOT ALL OF US ARE GOING STRAIGHT FROM HIGH SCHOOL OR COLLEGE, GO BUY THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

I LIVED IN AN APARTMENT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

IT WAS MOSTLY GOOD, EXCEPT ONE FROM FLORENCE STATE.

IT'S PART OF MOSTLY EVERYONE'S LIFE, THEY LIVE IN AN APARTMENT AT SOME POINT. OTHERS CHOOSE NOT TO OWN A HOME BECAUSE THEY NEED FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE.

I LOOKED AT CENSUS DATA ROUGHLY, 16 PERCENT OF COUNTY RESIDENTS MOVE EVERY YEAR. THE BUYING AND SELLING OF A HOME IS EXPENSIVE. IN SUMMARY, YOU KNOW, IT'S 60-70 MILLION INVESTMENT IN COUNTY HOUSING.

AND MIXED USE AREA, IN A SMALL SCALE TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE NEED FOR HOUSING. WE'RE OFFERING A 20 PERCENT DISCOUNT, FOR FIRST RESPONDERS AND EMPLOYERS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. FURTHER, WE WILL IMPROVE THE U.S. WATSON ROAD INTERSECTION. THIS WILL BE DONE AND I KNOW YOU DIDN'T ASK, WHEN IT WILL BE DONE.

IT WILL BE DONE PRIOR TO THE FIRST CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

AND IT MEETS TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY.

I WANTED TO CLOSE WITH AN E-MAIL I RESERVE FROM JOHN WOODARD, WHO WAS A PZA COMMISSIONER AND WHO SPOKE IN OPPOSITION FOR THIS.

DEAR COMMISSIONERS, AND I SENT THIS TO ALL OF YOU.

I'VE BEEN A VOCAL OPPONENT. DURING MY TIME IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING, I VOTED AGAINST PROPOSED PROJECTS.

AND THE ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD, QUOTED PIE ON POG.

AND LIVING OFF WATSON ROAD I PERSONALLY SEEN THE EFFECTS OF ACCIDENTS, THAT'S PART OF PUBLIC RECORD IN THE OFFICE.

AND THE DEVELOPER, PROPOSED FIXING, THAT CAUSED THE NUMEROUS ACCIDENTS. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE LIVES. AND I FEAR IF YOU DO NOT APPROVE THE PROPOSED PROJECT, MANY MORE LIVES WILL BE IMPACTED WITH MORE LIFE CHANGING ACCIDENTS, INCLUDING FATALITIES.

IT MAY BE YOUR. AND I ASK THAT YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION. YOU LITERALLY WILL BE SAVING LIVES WITH ITS APPROVAL. SINCERELY, JOHN WOODARD, P.Z.A.

MEMBER, 2019, WATSONVILLE AREA RESIDENT.

WITH THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

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>> WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN BACK TO THE BOARD.

. >> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

WE WILL NEED TO HEAR YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD BEFORE YOU START MAKING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> YES, SIR. MY NAME IS BOB ALLEN, LIVE AT 4945, MULTI-RESERVE COURT. I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE IDEA OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OVER THE SMALL ROAD COMMUNITY.

I HAVE TWO CONCERNS. THE EXIT IN WATSON ROAD IS APPROXIMATELY 200 FEET FROM WEEK ONE.

THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX WILL GENERATE ABOUT 4-500 VEHICLES.

200 FEET REPRESENTS ABOUT 10 FEEKS, IF EVERYBODY PULLS UP AND THEY DON'T. IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER WITH THE STRIP CENTER, EXITING IN WATSON ROAD, ONLY.

204 APARTMENT COMPLEX, EXITING IN WATSON ROAD.

ALL WITNESS, THE 200 FOOT RANGE OF ROUTE 1 IS GOING TO BE A CLUSTER. I WILL LET YOU FINISH THAT.

SEC SECONDLY, WATER RUNOFF, RIGHT NOW, FROM THE RUSH WE GOT FROM THE MOST RECENT HURRICANE IAN, THERE WAS WATER ON MULTIRESERVE COURT FROM THE RAIN AND THE WIND. WHEN YOU ADD THAT MUCH ASPHALT, CONCRETE, ET CETERA, THAT WATER IS GOING HAVE A VERY NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE HOUSES ON MULTI-RESERVE COURT.

I WOULD ASSUME ON WATSON ROAD, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.

THAT IS IT FOR ME. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

>> ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT?

GOOD MORNING.. >> HI, MY NAME IS TRACY SPOONER, 4115 MULTIRESERVE COURT. I WANT TO SHARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS. I WANT TO REITERATE THE TRAFFIC.

IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.

SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE IN 2013, THERE HAS BEEN TWO DEADLY CRASHES. I PERSONALLY, WAS IN A CAR ACCIDENT ONE AFTERNOON A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

WITH THE RESTAURANT THAT'S GOING ON IN THE CORNER, AND WITH THE ADDED 300-400 CARS, THE CONGESTION IS GOING TO BE SO -- I JUST DON'T SEE THE IMPROVEMENT AS FAR AS THE CONGESTION AND THE DANGERS OF THE INTERSECTION. WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THE CARS, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IN THE AREA, I FEAR FOR MY LIFE, WHEN I APPROACH THE INTERSECTION OR COME TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION.

THAT'S THE MAIN CONCERN OF MINE. ANOTHER MAIN CONCERN OF MINE, IS LIVING RIGHT AT THE CUL-DE-SAC, WHERE THE APARTMENT BUILDING IS GOING. I WANTED TO SHARE SOME RECENT PICTURES OF THE HURRICANE. I KNOW EVERYBODY FLOODED DURING THE HURRICANE. HAD WE NOT HAD THE WET LANDS IN THE AREA, I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH WORST THAN WE EXPERIENCED CURRENTLY. SO THE WET LANDS I FEEL ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. AND TO REITERATE THE FACT, IF YOU PUT THAT MUCH CONCRETE IN THAT BIG OF A BUILDING, THAT WATER HAS A NO PLACE DRAIN BUT TOWARDS MULTIRY RESERVE.

THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE. THE OTHER CONCERN IS A QUALITY OF LIFE, HOW IT WILL IMPACT ME. BECAUSE I WORK AT HOME.

RIGHT NOW IT'S A QUIET AREA. I DON'T HEAR CARS.

I DON'T HEAR PEOPLE. I WORRY, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO OUTSIDE ON A CONFERENCE DAY, BECAUSE I HAVE CARS, YOU KNOW, THE SURROUNDING NOISE, THAT. AND THAT CONCERNS ME WITH THE 500 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES. I ASK THAT YOU REJECT THE REZONING FOR THE 204 UNIT, MULTI-FAMILY COMPLEX.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT DOESN'T FIT IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE SURROUNDING AREA.

I UNDERSTAND THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE A RIGHT TO DEVELOP.

AND NOT TO THAT EXTENT. SO, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. 25-26 PEOPLE HIGH POINT OF 30

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THE SURROUNDING AREA DOES DRAIN. THIS AREA HAS ABOUT 6-TO A FEW FEET OF WATER FROM THE LAST FEW STORMS. THIS IS A FLY WHEEL THAT COLLECTS WATER TO THE COMMUNITY.

UNLESS THEY INTEND TO PUMP IT OUT AND PUMP IT UP TO THE RETENTION PONDS WHICH THEY SET MULTIPLE TIMES, THEY WILL RAISE THE PROPERTY TO HAVE ENOUGH DEPTH, RETENTION FUNDS.

THIS PROPERTY WILL IMPACT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.

IT ALSO DOESN'T FIT THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. SURROUNDING UNIT IS RESIDENTIAL SEMI STATE WITH THREE UNITS PER ACRE.

IT WILL CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY, CHANGE THE VALUES OF THE PROPERTY. LOOKING ACROSS FROM MY HOUSE FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC, IT WILL START TO LOOK LIKE THIS, STARING AT TENANT, PEOPLE STARING INTO MY HOUSE.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE USE OF THE LAND.

IT IS NOT TRANSITIONAL. THE NEARBY APARTMENTS, MENTIONED AT SEA BREEZE ARE OFF THE ROAD, HAVE NO DIRECT NEIGHBORS AND NO DIRECT RESIDENTIAL HOUSES AT THIS DISTANCE.

THE IDEA OF HAVING SOMEONE LIVING IN MY FRONT YARD STARING AT MY FAMILY IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.

THIS IS NOT A GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR FOR YOUR COMMENTS. APPRECIATE IT.

YES, MA'AM. >>

>> CAN YOU HEAR ME. >> 10105 PORTION PARKWAY, JACKSONVILLE, 42556. I'M A DEVELOPER THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPING JACKSONVILLE COUNTY, SINCE 1948.

WE CAN'T BE A COUNTY OF ONLY NO, NO, NO, NO.

AND I CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, NEED A SAFE PLACE TO LIVE, PHILLIPS HIGHWAY, IT'S CRAZY BUSY WITH CARS.

IF A PROJECT FRONTING ON U.S. 1 IS NOT THE PROPER PLACE, I DON'T KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT THE BUFFER THEY CAN'T WORK OUT.

IT WAS MIX USE BEHIND THE COUNTY.

THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPER COMING IN AND ASKING TO CHANGE THE LAND USE. THE LAND USE HAS BEEN HERE FOR DECADES FROM WHAT MR. INGRAM HAS SAID.

AS DEVELOPERS, WE'RE WILLING TO GO WHERE THE COUNTY HAS PLANNED TO BE. BY THEM, DESIGNATING AS MIX USE, WHAT MORE MESSAGE, THAN THIS IS A MIXTURE OF USES AND REQUIRED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN 40 ACRES YOU CAN'T DO JUST ONE USE. YOU HAVE TO DO A MIXTURE OF USES. WITH THE BUSY ROAD, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE SOMETHING RURAL.

I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT AREA FOR DEVELOPMENT TO COME.

THEY'VE OFFERED. THEY HAVE CONCURRENCY AND THEY'VE OFFERED TO FIX THE INTERSECTION.

I'VE SEEN SO MANY TIMES IN THE EXACT ROOM THERE BE AN ISSUE IN THE INTERSECTION, AND THEY ARE WILLING TO FIX IT.

NONE WHAT ELSE, AS DEVELOPERS THAT WE CAN DO TO CHECK THE RIGHT BOXES FOR A PROJECT TO GET A YES.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MS. BREEDING.

ANYBODY ELSE FRJS GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS KATHY WALSH, 1515, MULTIRESERVE COURT.

I'M MOST AFFECTED BY THE LARGE-SMALL WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S ONLY 13 ACRES APPROXIMATELY 7.7 ACRES. WHERE I LIVE, THERE'S 12 PEOPLE

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DENSITY IS THE WORD YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE PROJECT. 204 UNITS IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S 12 HOUSES RIGHT NOW. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING A DRIVEWAY COMING FROM FAST-FOOD CONCERN, ANOTHER 150 FEET FROM A DRIVEWAY, WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT IN WATSON ROAD, TO A SMALL LITTLE ROAD TO MAKE A LEFT-HAND TURN.

MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY 90 PERCENT ARE GOING TO BE GOING NORTH.

VERY FEW WILL BE GOING RIGHT, WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT HAS A RIGHT-HAND TURN ON ONE. THAT'S A BIG CONCERN TO ME.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE A BIG CONCERN IN THE TOWN AND CITY AND COUNTY. I HAVE THE LAST HOUSE IN THE COURT. I HAVE APPROXIMATELY 200 FEET PROPERTY LINE. THESE APARTMENTS WILL BE LOOKING AT MY BEDROOM, RIGHT IN MY BEDROOM, THREE STORIES.

IF YOU GO DOWN SOUTH, THERE'S NOBODY, EXCEPT IF YOU GO NORTH BY THE AIRPORT. THAT'S THREE STORIES.

THAT IS A BIG CONCERN TO ME. I BOUGHT A HOUSE.

I DIDN'T BUY A CONDO AND I DIDN'T BUY AN APARTMENT.

I BOUGHT A WONDERFUL HOUSE, WHERE I EXPECTED TO SPEND MY RETIREMENT. I'M A REGISTERED NURSE AND TEACHER IN THE COUNTY FOR A LONG TIME, OVER 27 YEARS.

I'M APPALLED ON WHAT'S GOING ON. WE NEED TO HAVE THE TREES.

WE NEED -- WE NEED TO HAVE SOME OPEN SPACE: WE DON'T NEED ANY PEOPLE, PUT INTO SUCH A SMALL AREA.

U.S. 1 HAS SO MUCH TRAFFIC NOW, WHEN I GO OUT TO MY SEAT, I USED TO SEE 3-4 CARS IN EACH ONE. NOW I SEE, 3-4, I GUESS, MULTIPLE OF CARS, PASSED BY THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND PASS THE FAST-FOOD DEVELOPMENT, HAS BEEN A CONCERN AGAIN.

I MOVED HERE 27 YEARS AGO AND I THOUGHT I WAS IN PARADISE.

THE WORDS TO REMEMBER, THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU, IN THE COMMUNITY, IS DENSITY. SO MUCH DENSITY, WE CAN'T BREATH. WE CAN'T BREATH OXYGEN AND WE CAN'T BREATH THE AIR. THANK YOU.

. >> HELLO. HI, MY NAME IS DIANE ALLEN. I GIVE MY CONDOLENCES ON COMMISSIONER WALDRON. HE WAS ACCESSIBLE SO MANY TIMES.

>> I LIVE AT 4945 MULTIRY RESERVE COURT.

I WON'T REITERATE EVERYTHING MY NEIGHBOR SAID.

BUT ONE THING I WOULD POINT OUT, AND I KNOW YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT. AND I'M NOT 2-FOLTS, IT BEING A THREE-STORY BUILDING, WHICH -- THAT AREA ROUTE ONE DOESN'T HAVE A THREE-STORY BUILDING. IT DOESN'T FIT IN.

ANOTHER REASON, IT IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

YOU KNOW THE BUSINESS END AND TRAFFIC.

AT THE END, THERE'S IN FACT, INDUSTRIAL.

AND MAKING THE RIGHT TO WATSON ROAD, TO GET TO ROUTE ONE, FOUR YEARS AGO IT WAS OKAY. AND IT SADDENS ME TO THINK, THERE WILL BE 20 FEET BETWEEN WATSON ROAD AND THE FE FENCE: AND I, TOO, MOVED TO THE

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AND THE NOISE WILL BE A LOSS IN THE TREES.

AS FAR AS THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT, WE TALKED ABOUT DENSITY. THERE'S GOING TO BE 13 UNITS PER ACRE. I HAVE ABOUT AN ACRE BEHIND MY HOUSE AFTER MY POOL. I CAN'T IMAGINE 13 UNITSES BACK THERE. AND WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BACK UP WAY BEYOND WHAT THE LIGHT COULD HANDLE. I PLEASE IMPLORE YOU TO DENY THE PROJECT. .

>> MY HUSBAND AND I PUT $1 HUNDRED,000 IN THE PROPERTY.

WE PAY OUR PROPERTY TAXES. >> WE HAVE TO GIVE EVERYBODY

THREE MINUTES. >> WE DIDN'T BUY INTO THIS.

I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE AND I JUST MIGHT HAVE TO.

. >> I'M SORRY.

>> THANK YOU. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS PATRICIA SIMONS, I LIVE AT 234 AUSRY LANE WHICH IS OFF.

THE ROAD. I KNOW THE COMMISSIONER KMS UP WITH THE SAME PLAN OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

THIS TIME, THEY SAY THEY WILL FIX THE INTERSECTION, THAT'S ONLY A SMALL PART OF IT. RIGHT NOW, IT ONLY ALLOWS ABOUT FOUR CARS. RIGHT NOW, EXPANDING, DOESN'T HELP THE TRAFFIC, THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING FROM 200 APARTMENTS COMING TO WATSON ROAD RIGHT NEAR THE INTERSECTION, WHERE THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC IN WATSON ROAD. NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO WITH THE INTERSECTION THERE, IT'S FOT GOING GOING TO HELP.

AND THE OTHER PROBLEM, WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE BUILT ON A SWAMP.

THEY KEEP TELLING YOU, THE RETENTION PONDS WILL REMITIGATE THE PROBLEMS OF THE SWAMP. IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE STREET, FROM WHERE THE RESTAURANT IS GOING IN, THERE'S A RETENTION POND AND BUILDING ON A SWAMP IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.

IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. THE PZA PEOPLE HAVE SAID NO SEVERAL TYPES. THEY HAVE NOT COME BACK AND THEY HAVE NOT MADE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.

IT'S THE TRAFFIC AND IT'S THE SWAMP AND IT'S THE WATER.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SOMETHING LIKE THIS WILL BE ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION AND THE CARS COMING OUT OF WATSON ROAD IS NOT GOING TO BE CONDUCIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHY CAN'T THEY BUILD AN APARTMENT ON DRY LAND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, WE DO HAVE TWO PODIUMS. YOU COULD LINE UP THE WAY WE SEE FIT.

THAT WAY WE CAN HEAR EVERYBODY. >> TRACY ROADS, 4275 MULTIRESERVE COURT. MY PROPERTY BEHIND THE PROPOSE SITE PLAN. I'M TOO, IS ASKING THE BOARD TO DENY BRINGING ANY DEVELOPMENT INTO THE AREA.

AND THE RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY COVERED ANY CONCERNS I HAVE. YES, THE TRAFFIC IS HORRIBLE.

THERE'S ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT THERE.

IT'S THE WATER, IT'S THE DRAINAGE.

IT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF WATSON, THAT DEVELOPMENT, THAT IS TAKING PLACE NOW.

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IT'S PRETTY MUCH IN CLOSING, WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY HOW P AND Z HAD A GREAT ANALOGY WHEN THEY DESCRIBED IT AS A PONG.

THROW A COUPLE OF STONES ON A POG, YOU WILL HAVE SOME MOVEMENT. IF YOU PUT FIVE FEET OF FILL IN THIS PARCELL THIS SIZE, WHICH IS WHAT WILL BE -- THE WATER IS GOING EVERYWHERE. AGAIN, I JUST ASK YOU TO DENY THE PROPOSED LAND. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. YES, SIR

>> GOOD MORNING, KURT BLEVINS, 531 BROOKS COURT.

I CAME HERE TODAY TO LISTEN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROJECT, CONSIDERING I DRIVE IN THE AREA, GO TO CHURCH IN THE AREA. SOMETIMES I COME OUT OF WATSON ROAD IN THE AREA. I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC HERE. MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS COULD BE ZONED AND A BIG BOX STORE COULD GO HERE.

LISTENING TO MR. INGRAM, THAT COULD BE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CARS COMING ON U.S. 1 AND THE BIG BOXED STORE.

THE DEVELOPMENT THEY HAVE PLANNED NOW WOULD HAVE MUCH LESS TRAFFIC THAN WHAT'S SLATED TO BE THERE.

AND WHAT I DID HEAR FROM MR. INGRAM, THE DEVELOPER WILL FINISH THE IMPROVEMENTS, IN THAT INTERSECTION, PRIOR TO OCCUPANCY. THIS IS SOMETHING I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

IT'S LUSHLLY, LET'S GET THE HOUSES BUILT AND WE'LL KEEP WORKING ON IT. I WAS VERY PROUD AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CORNER, WOULD BE COMPLETE, BEFORE OCCUPANCY IS ALLOWED. I THINK THIS IS A REASONABLE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA, GIVEN THE MASTER PLAN FOR OUR COUNTY.

I DO THINK IT WILL HELP. THE TWO TURN LANES, ON U.S. 1, WILL HELP THE TRAFFIC FLOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE BUSINESSES FURTHER TO THE WEST THAT NEED TO GET OUT AND GET BACK AFTER THEY DROP OFF AND THEY GET HOME. WITH THAT, I DO RECOMMEND AND I DO HOPE THIS WILL BE IN FAVOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

. >> THANK YOU MR. BLEVENINS.

ANYBODY ELTS. >> JOE MCNERRY.

I WILL READ IN PART FROM MY PHONE, ONLY BECAUSE I WAS STRUCK AND BECAME CURIOUS TO SEE ONE SPEAKER, DEVELOPERS WANT TO TAKE A CUES FROM THE COUNTY. WE ARE REASONABLY IMPACTED.

IT'S ALMOST IN FRETS AND TABLES, 13 UNIT IS.

IF YOU LOOK FURTHER, AND THIS IS WHERE I'M READING FROM MY PHONE, AND IT DOES SAY, AND I'M PARAPHRASING.

WHEN AN AMENDMENT REZONING, THE COUNTY SHALL INSURE COMPATIBLE OF ADJACENT OR SURROUNDING LAND USE MUCH IT'S NOT A CART BLANCH, WE'RE OKAY DOING 13. IT GOES FURTHER TO SAY COMPATIBLE IS NOT THE SAME AS. IT MEANS SENSIBILITY IN MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENTS. AGAIN, JUST KNOWING THAT THE P.Z.A. HAS HEARD THE INFORMATION AND RECOMMENDED DENIAL, I WOULD SAY, THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT COME, DOES NOT MEET THE LEVEL OF STANDARD FOR APPROVAL TODAY. I WOULD URGE YOU TO DENY THIS.

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. MCNERRY.

ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> PETER, LIVE AT 4812 WITTEN CIRCLE.

MY CONDOLENCES TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

HE WAS TRYING TO DO A LOT FOR OUR AREA.

WE RECENTLY HAD SOME DRAINAGE DITCHES PUT IN WITTEN CIRCLE.

THE WATER, DURING IAN, DIDN'T MAKE IT TO MY GARAGE THIS TIME.

BUT THE DRAINAGE DITCHES ARE SUPPOSED TO DRAIN SOUTH INTO WATSON ROAD. THEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO DRAIN EAST TOWARDS U.S. 1. I'M NOT THE BRIGHTEST GUY IN THE BLOCK. IAN WAS STILL GOING, I DECIDED TO DRIVE WATSON ROAD TO SEE IF THE DRAINAGE WAS DOING WHAT THEY SAID IT'S GOING TO DO AND IT'S NOT.

WHEN THE WATERS WERE AT MAX, THE WATER IS GOING WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO. AS SOON AS IT DICE OUT A LITTLE BIT, IT STOPS. WHERE DOES THE WATER GOES? IT STAYS IN THE DRAINAGE DITCHES.

THEY ARE ABOUT 5 FOOT DEEP AND FOUR FEET IS WHERE THE WHAT WATER. AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A HOUSE IN THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF WATSON ROAD U.S. 1? WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING TO GO? YOU PUT DRAINAGE, THE WATER IN WITTEN CIRCLE WILL NOT STAY. IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

YOU NEED TO DIG OUT THE DITCHES ON WATSON ROAD AND IT MAY MAKE U.S. 1. U.S. 1, WHEN I DROVE IT, WHERE THE WATER IS SUPPOSED TO DRAIN NORTH, IS FULL OF WATER.

ALL THE WATER JUST STAYS THERE. THE REST OF THE WATER, WATSON ROAD, WE STAY FLOODED. YOU'RE ADDING TO THE WATER -- FIRST OF ALL, THIS COULD BE THE COUNTY OF NO, NO, NO.

PHILLIPS HIGHWAY IS, LAST TIME I CHECKED IS IN JACKSONVILLE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I'M LOOKING UP THERE, 204 UNITS ARE GOING IN HERE.

THAT'S OVER 200 VEHICLES THAT'S GOING TO GO IN THE LEFT-TURN LANES TO GET OUT OF THE COMPLEX. WATSON ROAD, EVEN WITH THE ADDITIONAL LANES, CANNOT HANDLE THE TRAFFIC.

20 PERCENT DISCOUNT OFF WHAT PRICE TAG? THAT'S NICE THEY ARE GOING TO PUT UP TEN UNITS TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY EMPLOYEES AND FIRST RESPONDERS.

WE NEED MORE THAN THAT, IF POSSIBLE.

. >>

>> WE HAVE TO LIMIT THE THREE MINUTES TO ONE TIME.

>> AND I HAD ONE OTHER THING, I WANTED TO SAY.

>> YOU COULD ASK SOMEBODY WHO HASN'T SPOKEN TO CARRY THE MESSAGE. WE HAVE TO STICK TO THE BOARD RULES ON THE POLICY. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERHAPS ON THE WOMAN'S BEHALF, IT WILL BE FINE.

>> WE HAVE TO LIMB PER PERSON, PER AGENDA ITEM.

>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD. >> MY NAME IS ANDREW TANNER, 234 OSPREY LANE AS WELL. AND WHAT MY WIFE JUST MENTIONED IS THAT THESE HEARINGS HAVE NOT BEEN PROPERLY PUBLICIZED SO THIS ONE WAS ALMOST MISSED WITH SOME MESSING AROUND WITH DATES.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, I WOULD POINT OUT, THAT THE AREA NOW HAS TREES AND MORTAR AND DRAINAGE. WE SEE ANIMALS.

THAT WILL POSSIBLY ALL GO AWAY. I DON'T BELIEVE THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM COULD BE PROPERLY AMEL AMELIORATED, AS THERE ARE STILL PROBLEMS. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, GETTING OUT OF WATSONVILLE RIGHT NOW, IS NOT TOO EASY. WITH THE NORTHWEST CORNER, ABOUT TO BE POPULATED BY SOME NEW DEVELOPMENT, IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT AND IT WILL, IT WILL DIMINISH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I LIKE TREES.

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HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> THANK YOU, MR. TANNER.

>> FINAL CALL. PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3. SEEING NONE.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> MR. INGRAM, IN I REBUTTAL TO

THE COMMENTS? >> THANK YOU, TOM INGRAM.

LIKE A LOT OF THE HEARINGS, THERE IS AN UNDERLYING PREMISE ON THE COMMENTS, THAT YOU HEAR EVERY OTHER WEEK.

WHICH IS OUT THERE, THERE ARE PERFECT SITES WITH NO WETLANDS, WITH SCHOOL CONCURRENCY, DRAINAGE THAT'S PERFECT ON HIGH GROUND, NEXT TO NO ONE, WALKABLE TO EVERYTHING.

IT'S NEVER THE CASE. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT SITE. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS LAND USE DES NATION THAT'S BEEN IN HERE FOR DECADES.

IT MEETS TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY. WE WILL FIX A NOT GREAT INTERSECTION, WHICH I DON'T HAVE PERSONALAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE LEVEL OF DANGER BUT MANY OTHERS FEEL IS VERY DANGEROUS.

AND ON THE DRAINAGE, THERE'S KRNS ON BLOCKING THE FLOW TO THE EAST AND NORTH. WE ARE AWARE THAT.

WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, CAPTURE THE WATER FROM OFF SITE, FROM MULTIRY RESERVE COURT. WE WILL CAPTURE IT FROM THE PROPERTY AND ROUTE IT. AND THIS IS -- THIS IS WHERE YOU WANT IT TO OCCUR. IT'S IN A MIXED USE AREA.

AND I ALSO WANT TO NOTE WE HAD AT THE P.Z.A., WE HAD A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS FROM DEERFIELD FOREST THAT CAME OUT IN OPPOSITION. THANKFULLY, YOU HEARD PRIMARILY FROM RESIDENTS NEXT DOOR. WE HAVE OFFERED TO INCREASE THE BUFFER. 6 FOOT FENCE, TOGETHER WITH CANOPY TREES AND PLANTING. IN ADDITION IN THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY, THERE'S NATURAL AREA THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED BY ONE OF THE RESIDENTS ALONG MULTIRY RESERVE.

I ASSUME THEY WILL KEEP THAT AS WELL.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> QUESTIONS FROM MR. INGRAM? NONE.

OKAY. WELL, IT'S BACK TO THE -- IS THERE A MOTION ON ITEM 3, I

BELIEVE WE'RE ON. >> I JUST WANT A CLARIFICATION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON THE MOTION, IF THAT'S OKAY.

MR. DESOUS A. I'M CURIOUS WHY WE DON'T HAVE AN ACCESS POINT FROM U.S. 1. IS ALL THE ACCESS GOING FROM

WATSON ROAD? >> GOOD MORNING, GROWTH MANAGEMENT. THEY HAVE AN ACCESS FOR U.S. 1.

YOU WOULD COME, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE SOUTH, IT WOULD BE A U-TURN WITH WATSON ROAD TO U.S. 1.

IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE NORTH. AND THE ACCESS ON WATSON, IT'S LEAVING TRAFFIC ONLY AND THEY WILL GO TO THE -- IF APPROVED, GO TO THE IMPROVED INTERSECTION WITH THE TURN LANES.

>> PRIMARY ACCESS. >> PRIMARY ACCESS WOULD BE OFF U.S. 1. .

>> THANK YOU. >> WELL, THIS IS DISTRICT 3.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION AND I'M GOING TO PREFAS MY MOTION WITH A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS OR REMARKS.

THAT IS THAT ON THIS PROJECT, FROM MY STANDPOINT, I DON'T REALLY SEE DRAINAGE OR FLOODING AS BEING PROBLEMATIC.

I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO A SAINT JOHNS RIVER WATER DISTRICT, EMP PERMIT, WHERE THEY SCRUTINIZE THE PREPOST DISCHARGE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T FLOOD OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE TO PUMP INTO A

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IT'S NOT TOTALLY UNHEARD OF. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DRAINAGE. I'M SORT OF ON THE FENCE WITH TRAFFIC CONGESTION. THE -- EVEN OUR OWN REPORT, EVEN THE INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT.

THERE ARE MAJOR TRAFFIC CONCERNS BEING EXPRESSED.

WHAT'S TO ME, THAT'S NOT CLEARLY EXPRESSED IN THE STAFF REPORT, IS THE INCOMPATIBLITY. WE NEED MORE APARTMENTS, WE NEED MORE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD PROJECT AT THE WRONG LOCATION, GIVEN THE FACT, IT IS THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR MANY YEARS MUCH IT'S QUITE DE DENSE: IN MY OPINION, IT'S A GOOD PROJECT, BASED ON THE OBSERVATION THAT I'VE MADE AND I HAVE UNDERSTAND.

I'M LEFT WITH THE FINAL KIND OF OKAY, HENRY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? IN MY MIND, AGAIN WITH THE PREVIOUS TWO ITEMS, 1 AND 2. HERE'S THE PZA, VOTED 57-2, RECOMMENDING DENIAL. WITH THAT SAID, I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE PROJECT. I WOULD MOVE TO DENY PUD21-26, SUBJECT TO 10 FINDINGS OF FACT, THAT'S PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. IS THERE A SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

WE HAVE VOICE VOTE. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> NO. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> NO. >> I VOTE YES THAT'S INTERESTING. WE HAVE A TIE VOTE ON A MOTION

TO DENY. >> CHRISTINE?

>> ACCORDING TO THE BOARD'S RULES AND POLICY, THE FAILURE TO ACHIEVE A MAJORITY VOTE CONSTITUTES DENIAL.

>> DENIAL OF THE PROJECT OR DENIAL OF THE MOTION.

THE MOTION WAS TO DENY. >> RIGHT, THE MOTION FAILS.

>> SO THE MOTION TO DENY FAILS. >> YES.

>> SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? LET ME TALK TO MY LAWYER FIRST.

WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? >> THERE COULD BE ANOTHER MOTION TO APPROVE. THERE COULD BE ANOTHER MOTION AS SUGGESTED BY THE APPLICANT, IF THEY ARE GOING TO PROPOSE AN

ADJUSTMENT TO THEIR APPLICATION. >> THANK YOU.

>> I'M GOING TO ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION, IF ANYONE WISHES

TO MAKE A MOTION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE. I WOULD ASK THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, AND THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT. THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, WE'RE COMPELLING TO MEET. SPONGE EPZA, WHICH IS PART OF THE THINKING FOR DENIAL. THE SPONGE, I'VE BEEN TOLD, THOSE DONE IT FOR A LIVING, THE SPONGE IS NOT HIGHLY ACCURATE.

I KNOW YOU ALSO SAID, YOU'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA. I FIND, AS DIFFICULT IT IS TO CONSIDER FOR ME, I FIND THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTSND A THE NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING WAS COMPELLING ENOUGH. I DON'T KNOW IF MAKING THE MOTION, WE WILL END UP IN A 2-2 T TIE. I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU, SORT OF MY THOUGHTS AND REASON. AND I WOULD WELCOME ANY OTHER FURTHER THOUGHTS. .

>> I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOUR THOUGHT.

I THINK THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC.

I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED SOME VERY GOOD SOLUTIONS. .

>> IN MY MIND, LISTENING TO THE TESTIMONY, AND WHAT WAS NOT

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THIS IS A HIGH DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND TO ME, THAT'S INCOMPATIBLITY, OF THE FIRST ORDER.

I FOUND THE MOST COMPELLING, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE PZA VOTE WAS 5-2. THAT WAS WHAT CONCERNS ME.

THE HIGH DENSITY CONTINUOUS TO WHAT AMOUNTS TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS NEIGHBORHOOD OR HOODS PLURAL.

>> I THOUGHT THE TRAFFIC WAS GOOD.

IT WAS MORE OF THE DRAINAGE. I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT PROCESSES AND -- IT'S A SWAMP. I'M JUST VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. .

>> THAT TELLS US WHERE WE'RE ALL THINKING.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. .

>> TOM YOU WANTED TO SPEAK. DO YOU HAVE ANY PROPOSAL?

>> IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF ARE YOU APPROVING THE PROJECT.

THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF DISAPPROVING.

YOU HAVE OPEN RURAL, WITH A KNOWN SHOPPING ISSUE, NEW RETAIL CENTER, COMING IN, WITH AN ACCESS POINT, THAT WILL DEFINITELY EXASPERATE THE PROBLEM.

YOU HAVE NO PLAN TO FIX THAT. YOU COULD FIX THIS USE, PROVIDE SOME HOUSING IN A MUCH NEEDED AREA, IN AN AREA THAT MEETS TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY. YOU KNOW, YOU RARELY SEE A SITE THAT MEETS CONCURRENCY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE EXEMPTED NONRESIDENTIAL. WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING TO LIVE, IF THIS IS A NEW STANDARD. I RESPECTIVELY DISAGREE.

I HAVE APARTMENTS FROM ME. IT'S FINE.

IT WILL BE FINE. AND SO, ANYWAY.

THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES WHAT A DENIAL MEANS FOR THE AREA, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR TRAFFIC.

I URGE, PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR VOTE HERE.

DO YOU BELIEVE, THERE'S BETTER, ALL TRAFFIC ISSUES ARE DONE AND NO SINGLE FAMILY OPPOSITION, MULTI-FAMILY.

OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION. >> THE BOARD COULD CONSIDER, WHETHER TO CONTINUE THE ITEM, TO A FUTURE TIME, WHEN THERE'S A FULL BOARD. .

>> LET ME ADD ONE MORE THING, IF THERE'S A FAILURE TO RECEIVE A MAJORITY VOTE, THAT WOULD BE A DENIAL OF THE PROPOSAL.

IF NO FURTHER ACTION WOULD BE TAKEN, IT WOULD BE A DENIAL OF THE PROJECT TODAY. .

>> AS WE SIT HERE, THERE'S A 2-2 VOTE, THAT RESULTED IN A DENIAL

OF THE PROJECT. >> I'M GOING TO SPEAK TECHNICALLY. THAT MOTION FAILED.

IF THERE ARE NO OTHER MOTIONS MADE IN THE ITEM RIGHT NOW, THE ITEM WOULD BE DENIED UNDER YOUR BOARD RULES.

>> >> IF THERE'S NO FURTHER MOTIONS, THEN WE CONCLUDE THIS ITEM WITH A DENIAL, AS I

UNDERSTAND IT. >> THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

[4. Consider the appointment of a St. Johns County Representative to the Northeast Florida Regional Council.]

>> THANKS, EVERYONE FOR COMING AND OFFERING YOUR THOUGHTS TODAY. THAT COMPLETES ITEM THREE.

WE WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM 4. >> THIS SHOULD BE AT LEAST A

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THERE'S CURRENTLY A VACANCY. COMMISSIONER WALDRON HAD TO STEP DOWN FROM THE REGIONAL COUNCIL, NORTHEAST REGIONAL COUNCIL.

THEY REQUESTED, THEY APPOINT ANOTHER COMMISSIONER.

I'M RECOMMENDING COMMISSIONER ARNOLD TO SERVE ON THE ROLE.

AS IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH TO DO.

I'M NOT 100 PERCENT. I THINK WE JUST NEED A CONSENSUS, UNLESS WE WANT TO MAKE A FORMAL MOTION.

DAVID, DO WE NEED A VOTE ON THIS?

[5. Discussion regarding the establishment of an Infrastructure Sales Tax Advisory Committee.]

>> IT COULD BE EITHER WAY. YOU COULD WILL DO CONSENSUS.

>> EVERYBODY GOOD. >> JEREMIAH, YOU'RE GOOD, RIGHT?

>> YES, SIR. THAT'S PROVED WITH THE CONSENSUS. LET'S GO TO ITEM 5.

>> YOU'LL ENJOY THE REGIONAL COUNCIL.

THEY COVER A LOT OF TERRITORIES, DO GOOD WORK.

ENJOY THE SERVICES, I HOPE. .

>> BAGSED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OR REQUEST FROM THE SEPTEMBER 20TH MEETING, DRAFT RESOLUTION, AND BILAWS, HAVE BEEN CREATED TO CREATE A PROPOSED INFRASTRUCTURE SALES TAX ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

I DO HAVE A FEW SLIDES. THERE'S A PROPOSED DRAFTS, WE'RE BEING LOOING AT ADDITIONAL DIRECTION ON MEMBERSHIP.

THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMITTEE, TO CREATE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WOULD REVIEW PROPOSED PROJECTS, FUNDED BY SALES TAX PROCEEDS. AND THE COMMITTEE WOULD SUNSET AFTER THE SALES TAX PROCEEDS WOULD BE EXPENDED.

THE COMMITTEE COULD LAST LONGER THAN THE TEN YEAR PERIOD FOR THE SALES TAX. THE MEETING SCHEDULE, BASED ON DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD. IT WAS DESIRABLE TO HAVE INPUT IN THE PROCESS IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

FOUR MEETINGS WILL BE HELD BY MARCH 31ST IN EACH FOUR OF THE COUNTY'S QUADRANT. AND THEY WILL MEET ON MAY 1ST TO FINALIZE THE RECOMMENDATION AND THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN BUDGET WORKSHOPS TYPICALLY HELD LATER IN MAY.

MEMBERSHIP, THIS IS ONE AREA THAT ADDITIONAL DIRECTIONAL IS NEEDED. AS WRITTEN, IT PROPOSES A FIVE MEMBER ADVISORY COMMITTEE WITH TO ALTERNATES.

THERE'S PREFERENCE FOR PERSONS WITH BUSINESS AND FINANCE EXPERTISE. WE'RE LOOKING HOW THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS SHOULD BE RECEIVED.

WE RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK. IT WAS DESIRABLE TO HAVE IT IN THE SIMILAR MATTER AS THE LAMP BOARD WAS CREATED.

THAT WOULD MEAN, EACH COMMISSIONER CHOOSES A MEMBER.

THE BOARD WOULD AFFIRM THAT CHOICE AND ALSO APPOINT TO ALTERNATE MEMBERS. TO START THE COMMITTEE, IF THE REFERENDUM IS APPROVED. THE TERMS ARE STAGGERED IN 2-FOUR YEARS. AND WITH THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY, THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PROPOSAL. WE'RE JUST BEING LOOING ON SOME FEEDBACK OF THE MEMBERSHIP PROCESS.

>> BEFORE WE GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT, IS THERE ANY FEEDBACKS

FOR CHRISTINE? >> >> FOR PURPOSES OF CONSIDERATION, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MEMBER OF THE DISTRICT.

I KNOW WE HAVE SOME BOARDS WITHOUT MEMBERSHIP.

I THINK IT DOES A DISSERVICE TO THE DISTRICT.

FOR SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MEMBERS.

>> FRANKLY, HE WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION.

WE NEED ALL COUNTY REPRESENTED. WE CAN DO THAT, IF EACH COMMISSIONER APPOINTS ONING FROM HIS OR HER DISTRICT.

THAT'S ONE FEEDBACK. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> OKAY. I THIN IT LOOKS GOOD. I'M VERY -- EXCITED TO GET PUBLIC INPUT. THE CITIZENS WHO LIVE AROUND THE COUNTY KNOW THEIR AREA BEST. YOU KNOW IT'S KNOCKITY OR

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DO WE NEED A MOTION, DAVID OR CHRISTINE?

>> YES, I THINK A MOTION TO FINALIZE THE DOCUMENTS WOULD BE

APPROPRIATE. >> IS THERE SUCH A MOTION.

>> ALSO, PUBLIC COMMENT WOULD BE NEEDED AS WELL.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT, AS WELL. >> PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE MOVE FORWARD. I'M SEEING NONE.

WE WILL CLOSE AGENDA ITEM 5. >> IS THERE A MOTION.

>> I'LL TAKE THIS UP. I'LL MOVE TO DIRECT THE OFFICE OF ATTORNEY, RESOLUTION OF BILAWS OF INFRASTRUCTURE SALES TAX ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN THE EVENT THE REFERENDUM PASSES.

[6. Consider appointments to the Library Advisory Board]

>> SECOND. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND ON ITEM 5. >> SARAH?

>> YES. >> CHRISTIAN?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> YES. >> AND I VOTE YES THAT TAKES US TO 4-0. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 6.

I THINK IT'S LIBRARIES. THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. SENIOR ASSISTANT TO COUNTY BOARD COMMISSIONERS. EXCUSE ME IF I'M NOT MYSELF.

CURRENTLY THERE'S TWO VACANCY DUE TO EXPIRSRATION BOARD.

PLEASE SEE ATTACHED FOR YOUR REVIEW, RECOMMENDATION LETTER

AND 13 APPLICATIONS. >> IS THAT PUBLIC COMMENT ON

ITEM 6. >> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR ON AGENDA ITEM ITEM 6. APPOINTMENTS TO THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SEEING NONE.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY.

>> I'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM SERVE QUITE A WHILE BEFORE COMMISSIONER WALDRON TOOK OVER ON THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD.

I GOT TO KNOW HIM QUITE WELL. I WOULD MOVE MELVIN FOR A FULL FOUR-YEAR TERM SCHEDULE, EXPIRED 20182026.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER FRJS YES.

>> AND I VOTE YES THAT'S 4-0.

APPOINT NICHOLAS ANDREWS FOR A FULL FOUR-YEAR TERMS SCHEDULE TO

EXPIRE, OCTOBER 18TH, 2026? >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

[7. Consider appointments to the Industrial Development Authority]

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> YES, SIR >> AND I VOTE YES THAT PASSES 4-0. I THINK THAT COMPLETES THE ADVISORY, LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD.

>> ITEM 7 IS CONSIDERED APPOINTMENTS TO THE INDUSTRIAL AUTHORITY. CURRENTLY THERE'S ONE VACANCY DUE TON EXPIRED TERM. VACANCY WAS POSTED AND RAN FOR 30 DAYS. PLEASE SEE ATTACH, A RECOMMENDATION LETTER AND FIVE APPLICATIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS, PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> THIS TIME BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7.

SEEING NONE? WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON

ITEM NUMBER 7. >> IS THERE A MOTION

>> I WOULD MOVE TO APPOINT JEFFREY LIT TANNY, FOR A FOUR-YEAR TERM SET TO EXPIRE, 2026.

[8. Discussion item - Workforce Housing Zoning Designation, as presented by the Northeast Florida Builders Association.]

>> A MOTION AND SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> YES. >> AND COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> YES. >> AND I VOTE YES

THAT PASSES 4-0. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, JOANN. ITEM 8.

>> FIRST OFF WOULD LIKE TO SAY, EXPRESS MY MOST SINCERE

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I THINK HE SERVED THE CITIZENS WELL IN ST. JOHN'S ITEM.

THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER DEAN FOR PUTTING THIS ITEM.

AND I WILL GET STARTED. >> NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

>> YES, SIR, 6 AUSTIN NICHOLAS. >> WE NEED THAT FOR THE RECORD.

>> 6747 SOUTH POINT PARKWAY, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

>> EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND. IF I STEP OUT FOR A MINUTE AND A HALF, COULD WE CONDUCT A MEETING WITH JUST TWO PRESENT.

THAT CAME UP BEFORE, IF WE HAVE TWO PRESENT.

>> YOU CAN'T JUST VOTE ON ANYTHING, IF YOU VOTE.

>> I WILL BE BACK SHORTLY. DON'T LEAVE.

>> I'LL GET STARTED WITH THE CURRENT WORKFORCE HOUSING ORDINANCE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. ST. JOHNS COUNTY WORKFORCE ORDINANCE HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE AUGUST 2021.

THIS HAS TO BE UPDATED BASED ON INCREASE FEES, BUILDING AND LAND COST IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS IS ROUGHLY 580,000 MEDIUM HOME PRICE. THE CURRENT ONE, TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING. IT HAS BECOME EXSTEAMILY DIFFICULT FOR BUILDERS AND ECONOMIC TO MEET.

IT DOESN'T ADDRESS AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS.

THE AVERAGE RENTAL RATE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, 1,924.

WORKERS ARE IN DIRE NEED OF HELP WHEN IT COMES TO HELP.

AND THE CURRENT WORKPLACE, AND HOWEVER, NEWLY BUILT HOUSES WERE UP 58 PERCENT FROM THE YEAR BEFORE, ACCORDING THE TO U.S.

CENSUS BUREAU. AND ALSO WITH THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION COMMON SENSE, THE CURRENT PRICE MUST INCREASE AS WELL. AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE HAVE THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGES. THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, REDUCES THE REQUIRED PERCENTAGE, TO 20 PERCENT.

IT ALSO ADDS AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS.

SERVING THE COUNTY THAT MAY NOT WANT TO BUY.

IT MAXIMIZES MAXIMUM PRICE POINT.

IT THEY PROVIDE ANNUAL CHANGES, UP OOR DOWN.

IT ALSO ALLOWS THE BUILDER TO PAY QUALIFIED CLOSING COSTS ON BEHALF OF BUYERS. MANY BUYERS DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT SAVINGS TO PAY DOWN PAYMENTS AND CLOSING CALLS AND ARE OFTEN SURPRISED OF THE CLOSING COSTS.

IT ADDS A CATEGORY MUCH DUPLEX. MOST UNDER DEVELOPMENT ARE TOWN HOMES TYPICALLY IN 8 BUILDINGS: LASTLY, IT EXTENDS THE TIME.

UNFORTUNATELY, ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING ALONE, IS TAKING 18 MONTHS OR MORE IN MANY PROJECTS. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WELCH A CHART, COMPARING THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, WITH OTHER COUNTIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE. AS YOU COULD SEE IN THE FIRST COLUMN, IT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF THE UNITS, FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. AS YOU COULD SEE, IT'S NOT APPLICABLE, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO COME IN A MUCH LOWER PRICE POINS THAN THE OTHER COUNTIES FOR THE WORKFORCE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS.

THE NEXT CALM IS THE 2022AMI. AND THEN THE NEXT COLUMN IS THE 120 PERCENT, AMI CALCULATIONS, WHICH IS WHAT THE COUNTIES USE TO DECIDE THE PRICE POINTS FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTIES, THAT'S DRAMATICALLY LOWER THAN ALL OF THEM. ESPECIALLY, AGAIN, YOU COULD CONSIDER, SARAH SOTO, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE -- WE THINK THIS IS A REASONABLE ORDINANCE IN THAT REGARD: FOR THE LAST SLIDE, I WILL DISCUSS HOW IT WORKS. AND BUILDERS AND ORDINANCE WILL LEAVE, THE SAME FEES AND NEEDING THE SAME REQUIREMENTS, EVERYONE ELSE NOT COSTING THE COUNTY A DIME.

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IT IS ALSO VITAL TO UNDERSTAND, THE 270,000 PRICE POINT IS LESS THAN HALF OF THE MEDIUM SALES PRICE, IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 580,000. THE ST. JOHN SHERIFF SUPPORTS THIS ORDINANCE, BECAUSE HE'S UNABLE TO RECRUIT THE DEPUTIES, WITH THE CURRENT HOUSING COSTS IN THE COUNTY.

IN CLOSING, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK CHAIRMAN DEAN FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA AND HIS LEADERSHIP.

WE HOPE TO HAVE THE SUPPORT AND APPRECIATE WITH ALL OF YOU AND ALWAYS WILLING TO GIVE US YOUR TIME.

I HAVE MY ORDINANCE TEAM AND I WILL ALLOW THEM TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

>> WE HAVE ANY OTHER SCHEDULED SPEAKERS.

OKAY, I THINK WE HAVE MIKE. I THINK YOU'RE CURRENTLY THE

CHAIRMAN. >> AND.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS. AND I WANT TO GIVE MY CONDOLENCES. PAUL SERVED OUR COMMUNITY WELL.

>> AND I WAS GOING TO ALLOW SIX MINUTES.

HE'S REPRESENTING SEVERAL COMPANIES THAT EMPLOY HUNDREDS OF STAFF THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED, GREATLY INTERESTED IN AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING. .

>> ORGANIZATIONS, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, NORTHROP GRUMMAN.

VIE STAR, CORNER LOT DEVELOPMENT, ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOLS, MASTER CRAFT GROUP, DOP CAPITOL AND OPERATION LIFE, INC.

THESE ARE THE MEMBERS OF THE WORKFORCE HOUSING TASK FORCE.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL SINE, CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNTIES CHAMBERS, PUBLIC POLICY COMMITTEES AND THE CHAIR OF WORKFORCE HOUSING TASK FORCE. FOLLOWING WAS APPROVED EARLIER THIS MONTH, AS A FIRST STEP TOWARDS ADDRESSING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES, AFFECTING THE CRITICAL WORKERS, MANUFACTURING AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND EDUCATION SECTORS.

NO DOUBT, THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS -- AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE TASK FORCE, RECOGNIZE BETWEEN THE HOUSING NEEDS AND ALL INCOME LEVELS WHAT WE ENDEAVOR TO ADDRESS THE RANGE, BETWEEN THE 45-60 RANGE. THAT AFFECTS HOUSING FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, MEDICAL PROFESSIONS, MANUFACTURING, TECHNOLOGY EMPLOYERS AND EDUCATORS. THESE PROFESSIONS, REPRESENT THE BACKBONE, AND WITHOUT THE VALIBILITY, FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND THE SECTORS, ST. JOHN ECONOMY WILL NOT CONTINUE TO GROW AND THRIVE. AND WE STARTED IN JUNE OF 2022, AND PRIOR, HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS, IN RECOGNITION OF THE DEMANDS AND NEEDS FOR THIS SPECIFIC AREA.

IN JEWEL LIE, WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING, AND IT WAS REPRESENTATIVE, AND IN AUGUST, THEY ACTUALLY PRESENTED IT TO THE BOARD. WE WORKED DILIGENTLY AND CAME UP WITH SOME OPTIONS. AND FULLY REALIZING, THIS IS A MULTI-FACET APPROACH, MULTI-DISCIPLINED, MULTIFACETTED. ONE OF THE CONCERNS, IS THIS PROVISION SPECIFICALLY THE END ALL TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

[02:10:02]

THIS IS ONE DEMOGRAPHIC IT'S ADDRESSING.

HEAR STORIES OF PEOPLE POSTING IN OUR COMMUNITY, ADS ON LINE FOR SOME OF THE FIRST RESPONDERS.

THEY ARE GETTING KICKBACK, THAT WE GET HOUSING IN SOME OF THE SALARIES. THIS IS TO START THE CONVERSATION AND PROVIDE AN ECHO OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU AND TO HELP THAT INFOR INFORMATION. WHEN IT COMES TO SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE DO SUPPORT THE EXPANSION OF THE THE RENTAL UNITS. A LOT OF THE PROVISIONS: AND TO HAVE SET ASIDE 5-10 PERCENT OF THE MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS.

ONE OF THE ITEMS, A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST.

WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THE NATION AND IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WE STRONGLY WOULD CONSIDER, ENTERTAINING A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

WE WILL PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.

WE ALSO, FOR CODE REVISIONS, WE SUPPORT THE ENCROACHMENT IN THE SIDELINES, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FIRE CODE.

I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN AND I'LL LEAVE WITH THIS, THE REDUCTION FROM 40-20 PERCENT. AND THE INCREASE, TO 240-270.

I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A DEMOGRAPHIC AND NEED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN FOR THE BUILDERS TO DO WHAT THEY FEED TO DO AND COUNTY TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, TO TRY TO BRIDGE THE GAP AND MAKE IT MORE VIABLE. WE WANT TO COMMUNICATE, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY ISSUE. THAT SOLVES ONE DEMOGRAPHIC.

WE'RE ADDRESSING A LARGER DEMOGRAPHIC WITH THE FIRST RESPONDERS. OUR BOARD SUPPORTS THE PROVISION, MINUS THE TWO ELEMENTS, AS IT ADDRESSES THE SPECIFIC NEED. THAT'S IT.

. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS,

PRESENTATIONS, THOUGHTS. >> BETH BREEDING, 17750, JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. AS YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY TRYING TO COME HERE. I HATE TO COME HERE, HAVING TO ASK ONE MORE TIME FOR SOMETHING. I USED THE U.S. ONE PROJECT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW WHAT THE CURRENT PRICE IS.

AND EVERY TIME THEY BID THEM OUT, THE PRICE HAS GONE UP SO MUCH. WE'RE NOT IMMUNE TO THE EXACT SAME ISSUE IN OUR INDUSTRY. I TOOK, THE HORIZONTAL WORK THAT'S GOING ON NOW. I ADDED THE FRONT ENTRY.

EVERYTHING IT TAKES, TO MAKE THE SUBDIVISION READY TO BUILD LOTS ON. YOU WILL BE SHOCKED TO HEAR, 76,000, IS WHAT THAT TOWN HOME LOT, THE COST IS.

THAT'S ONLY TO GO THE STICK BRICK UP VERTICAL.

HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO MAKE 240,000 WORK.

I HAVE ARTICLES, THAT TALK, ONCE AGAIN, INFLATION IN A RECORD NUM NUMBER.

>> INFLATION RISES ONCE AGAIN, MORE THAN EXPECTED.

IF WE WERE GIVEN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ALLOWS, THERE'S A GAUGE EXACTLY IN THE ORDINANCE, YOU GO TO A CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX, IT ALLOWS SOME INCREASES. THE INCREASES ARE CAPPED AT 3 PERCENT. IF WE WERE ALLOWED TO TAKE THE, THAT NUMBER WOULD COME TO 250,920.

THAT'S MUCH MORE PALABLE. YOU SAW, WE'RE NOT ASKING, THE OTHER COUNTIES ARE ALLOWING. WE'RE DOING OUR VERY BEST TO KEEP IT AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. WHEN THE MEDIUM HOUSE PRICES,

[02:15:06]

THIS PACKET IS VERY THICK. THERE'S MULTIPLE LISTINGS ON EVERY SINGLE PAGE. IT'S ALMOST A BOOK.

THEY CAN'T HIRE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PAY THEM ENOUGH.

THE NUMBER OF UNITS, DES NATION, I GOT THIS FROM ST. JOHN'S'S COUNTY. EQUATES TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS THE LAST TWO YEARS, SINCE IT BECAME A ZONING INVESTIGATION, IT'S LESS THAN 200 UNITS. IT'S BECAUSE IN ORDER TO WORK WITH THE NUMBERS, IN ORDER FOR IT TO WORK, WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE. THANK YOU.

>> FIRST, LET ME SAY, HOW SORRY ABOUT THE NEWS, ABOUT THE COMMISSIONER WALDRON. COMMISSIONER WALDRON JOINED US.

AND WE WORKED FOR OVER A YEAR. WITH THE COMMISSIONER, PLANNERS, BUILDERS, TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING, RECOGNIZING WE NEED SOMETHING, THAT WORKS WITH FREE ENTERPRISE.

IF WE ARE GOING TO DO IT AS FREE ENTERPRISE.

IT'S GOT TO MEAN, THERE'S GOT TO BE A PROFIT.

WE HAVE RAVENWOOD. BY APRIL, WE'RE READY TO START HOUSES. BY THEN, THERE WILL BE 20 MILLION INVESTED IN LAND IN DEVELOPMENT.

IF IT ENDS UP BEING A PROJECT, THAT HAS THE LOWEST MARGINS OF ANYTHING WE'RE DOING, IT WOULD BE HARD FOR ME TO GET MY COMPANY OR TO GET ANY BUILDER TO COME AND INVEST AGAIN AND DO IT AGAIN. INFLATION WAS 2 PERCENT AND GAS WAS CHEAPER. AND WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT WORLD.

WHAT WE'RE ASKING, TO RECOGNIZE AND ADJUST, SO WE CAN KEEP FREE ENTERPRISE INVOLVED. I AGREE WITH THE CHAMBER, THAT THERE'S AN ABSOLUTE NEED FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE LOWER END OF THE SPECTRUM. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS ORDINANCE WAS DESIGNED TO DO. I COULD SPEAK FROM THE BUILDERS AND -- WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE CHAMBER, CONTINUING TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST.

WE'RE NOT ASKING, FOR THE ABILITY HOUSING.

AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO USE DIFFERENT BUILDING CODES, DIFFERENT SUBDIVISION CODES, DIFFERENT STANDARDS, THAT KIND OF THING. WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE REDUCING FEES OR DEFERRING FEES OR THAT KIND OF THING. THIS IS A GREAT FIRST STEP.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE FOR IT.

THANK YOU. .

>> MY NAME IS GREG ADMONISHING, 434 MONSAL DRIVE ST. AUGUSTINE.

>> I WAS A MEMBER OF THE ADVISORY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE UP TO ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO, WHEN THE GOVERNMENT APPOINTED ME IN THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF INTERIER DESIGN.

AS AN ADMIRAL, I SPOKE TO THE THINGS FOR A SHORT TIME IN THE COMMITTEE. I WOULD URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THE ISSUE STRONGLY. IT'S THE FIRST STEP.

I'VE BEEN HEARING TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF YOU, A COUPLE OF TIMES COMMUNITY LAND TRUST IS A GOOD IDEA.

AFFORDING HOUSING ISSUES WITH A MIDDLE IS ANOTHER STEP.

WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. I THINK THIS MAY BE THE PLACE, WHERE WE GET OFF THE GROUND AND FINALLY START TO DO IT.

WITHOUT US HAVING A VEHICLE FOR ANYONE WHO HAS HOMES.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE FIREFIGHTERS.

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I WOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER THAT, OR ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THE MEASURE IN MOVING FORWARD SO WE CAN PROVIDE THE NECESSARY MEANS.

I WON'T REITERATE WHAT THE OTHER SPEAKERS TALKED ABOUT.

THEY ARE FAR MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS. I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR LESS THAN TWO YEARS.

I WANT TO EXPRESS MY CONDOLENCES FROM THE COMMISSION.

FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN AND A COUPLE OF TIMES I'VE BEEN HERE, AND IT'S BEEN AN ASSET TO THE COUNTY.

I'M SURE WE WILL MISS HIM VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. .

>> TOM INGRAM, 233, EAST BASE STREET, JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA.

AS YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN PRACTICING IN THE LAND USE LAW FIELD IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SINCE 99.

AND THE LOT OF THE RESIDENTS, FOR AND AGAINST DEVELOPMENT LIVE IN THE HOMES. THE WORKFORCE HOUSING DES NATION IS A TOOL TO HELP FILL THE NEEDS.

LIKE THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAYS, IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE.

IT ENCOURAGING DEVELOPERS TO MIX -- AND ONE OF THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, FEAR OF THE PEOPLE, THAT IS NOT IN THE SAME SOCIO ECONOMIC CLASS. THERE'S GOOD PEOPLE THAT DENT MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND THERE'S BAD PEOPLE THAT MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. IT PROVIDES AN INCENTIVE.

IF YOU SET THE BAR SO HIGH, THAT THE MARKET CAN'T WORK, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE USED. THIS IS A ZONING DISTRICT.

IT'S NOT A MAP CHANGE. ANY PROPOSED, ZONING DISTRICT, COMES BACK, FOR A DETAILED REVIEW, SPECIFIC SIGHTS AND ISSUE. FINALLY, THIS IS THE FIRST OF SEVERAL HEARINGS SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO GO FORWARD.

THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TWEAK THE NUMBERS, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SPECIFICS IN THE PARTICULAR DRAFT.

THANK YOU. .

>> CHUCK LEBASCII. AND I'M NOT TOO SURE TO CUTTING IT DOWN FROM 20-30 PERCENT. WE ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

I HAD AN HONOR TO TALK ABOUT A NUMBER OF DEBTS IN OVER FIVE MONTHS. THEY HAD TO WORK AFFORD -- WE ARE A TRAINING CENTER IN ST. JHNS COUNTY.

WE'RE TRAINING THE INDIVIDUALS HERE, TEACHERS AND EVERYONE ELSE. THEY ARE MOVING OUT OF THE COUNTY TO GET A BETTER SALARY AS WELL AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

NOT ONLY THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND DEPUTIES AND TEACHERS, BUT ALSO THE VETERANS. WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE ONES AT THAT ARE SUPPORTING US. THANK YOU.

. >> 4220 RACE TRACK ROAD, SANE JOHNS FLORIDA, 42229. I KNOW THIS IS SURPRISING TO HEAR SO MANY BUILDING DEVELOPMENTS AS ADVOCATES OF AFFORDABLE US HOUSING. THEY WANT TO COME OUT THERE AS DEVELOPER MYSELF, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS SOMETHING I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT. I THINK IT SPEAKS TO COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND COUNTY STAFF, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW. I WANT TO REITERATE, THIS IS NOT A SILVER BULLET SOLUTION. THIS IS NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL

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NOT JUST AFFORDABLE BUT ATTAINABLE HOUSING.

ALSO, HOSPITAL WORKERS AND COUNTY STAFF, TO BE ABLE TO WORK AND LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT THEY ARE SERVING.

ESTABLISH THE ISSUE TO HELP WORK THROUGH.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU GUYS CONSIDER WHAT WE PROPOSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WOULD ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 8. SEEING NONE.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. .

>> THANK YOU. ANY MORE COMMENTS AT THIS POINT?

QUESTIONS? >> YES, SIR.

I'VE GOT SOME. I'D LIKE SOMEONE FROM STAFF TO CLARIFY FOR ME, LAST YEAR, SEPTEMBER 17TH, WE RAISED THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PRICE, $210 TO $240.

WE PUT THE INFLATION CALCULATOR IN PLACE.

DID WE NOT? SOMETHING TO ADJUST FOR THE

PRICE OF GOODS AND -- >> I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE FROM GROWTH MANAGEMENT IS HERE TO ADDRESS THAT. .

>> ARE YOU LOOKING IT UP RIGHT NOW?

>> MY CONCERN IS ESSENTIALLY THIS.

SOME OF THIS IS REALLY REASONABLE.

RENTALS, BEING INCORPORATED, TO THE ORDINANCE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. ALLOWING ENCROACHMENTS MAKES SENSE AS THE COST OF EVERYTHING GOES UP.

MY CONCERN IS NOT THAT WE'RE INCREASING THE COST OF WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HELP.

EVERYBODY IN THE AUDITORIUM, WANTS TO HELP THE FOLKS THAT SERVE US. THE INTEREST RATES HAVE DOUBLED.

NOT ONLY DID THE PRINCIPLE GO UP, THE RATE OF INTEREST, WILL MAKE IT GO UP, IN SOME CASES, 70 PERCENT MUCH IT'S A 30,000 INCREASE, BUT THE PAYMENT WILL GO UP 60-70 PERCENT.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE ON THE PEOPLE WHO WE WANT TO HELP. FIREFIGHTERS, SCHOOL TEACHERS.

THE LIKE. DO YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFICATION? I FEEL LIKE IN THE INFLATION CALCULATOR.

>> MIKE ROBERTSON, GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, MAXIMUM SALES PRICE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. THE BASE SALES PRICE SHALL BE ADJUSTED BY THE ANNUAL CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX, PUBLICIZED BY JUNE OF EACH CALENDAR YEAR.

>> YOU COULD READ IT MORE LOUDLY? I'M SORRY. I'M MISSING THAT PHRASE.

>> IT'S PROBABLY ME. MY APOLOGIES.

THE BASE SALES PRICE SHOULD BE ADJUSTED BY THE ANNUAL CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX AS PUBLISHED BY THE ENGINEERING RECORD IN JUNE OF EACH CALENDAR YEAR.

>> THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. >> DID WE MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT

IN JUNE THIS YEAR? >> I'LL CONFIRM THAT.

I'M NOT SURE. WE MADE TWO LITRATION AND GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHECK THAT. I'LL GET BACK.

>> AND IF THERE'S AN ADJUSTMENT WE PUT IN PLACE, AS A BOARD LAST YEAR, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ADJUSTMENT PUT IN PLACE.

IT MAY BE MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER.

IT MAY BE LESS, NOT SURE. I KNOW WE CONSIDERED THAT LAST YEAR, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS ITEM AND INCREASING THE COST FOR OUR RESIDENTS. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT CUTTING THE REQUIREMENT FROM 40 TO 30 PERCENT.

WE'RE GETTING LESS OF A PRODUCT, TO SERVE THE FIRST RESPONDERS.

THAT ONE IS A BIG DEAL FOR ME. THE PRINCIPAL PRICE POINT, WE APPROVED, AND WE APPROVED, 243 UNITS OF WORKFORCE HOUSE ING.

WE APPROVED, 240 UNITS. AND MAYBE MS. BREEDIN OR SOMEONE FROM -- COULD HELP ME OUT.

HAVE WE BUILT OR SOLD TO ANYBODY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

. >> I'VE BEEN IN TWO MEETINGS.

HE'S MADE A GUARANTEE, THAT TWO WEEKS, IT WILL GO OUT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FIRST FOR SALE BEFORE ANYONE ELSE.

THEN THERE WILL BE ANOTHER SALES PERIOD, FOR TEACHERS, FIREFIGHTERS AND OTHER PEOPLE. THERE WILL BE EXCLUSIVE PERIOD AVAILABLE TO THEM, BEFORE IT WENT TO THE OPEN MARKET.

BOB ALSO TALKED ABOUT KEEPING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF UNITS

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>> AND HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO SELL NEARLY THE 40 UNITS TO ANYBODY.

. >> AND UNDER WAY, EXPECT TO HAVE THE PAYMENT IN APRIL. .

>> AND IT WILL BE LATE NEXT YEAR, UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO OFFER

A FOR SALE? >> THE UNITS, 210, 240, WILL BE

SOLD. >> AND THAT IS OUR HOPE.

AND THAT WILL BE SOLD, AND IF WE, YOU KNOW, TRY TO DO, THE 210, WE WILL LOSE MONEY IN EVERY UNIT WE SELL.

IT'S GOING TO BE THE LAST PROJECT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO BE APPROVED. THE CONCERN, THERE IS AN ADJUSTMENT THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.

IT'S LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF 3 PERCENT.

ALTHOUGH THE INDEX WENT UP 5 PERCENT.

IF IT GOES UP, IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

AND WE WILL BE ALLOWED, TOTAL 3 PERCENT INCREASE, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN AT THIS TIME, TO DO A STRAIGHT ADJUSTMENT.

WHEN WE GOT STARTED, IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO US, WE WILL HAVE 9 PERCENT INFLATION. I EXPECTED TO COME IN, WELL UNDER THE 210 PRICE, BACK TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN WE STARTED ON THIS. NOW, WE CAN'T BUILD ONE FOR TH THAT.

>> MR. CHAIR, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION.

THIS IS THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE. I NEED TO ADJUSTMENT.

SO I'LL READ THIS TO YOU. MAXIMUM INITIAL SALES PRICE, THIS IS FROM THE LAST CHANGE, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

MAXIMUM INITIAL PRICE $240,000. THE BASE PRICE WOULD BE ADJUSTED AS PUBLISHED BY THE ENGINEERING RECORD IN JUNE OF EACH CALENDAR YEAR, NOT TO EXCEED 3ERS, AND BEGINNING IN 2022, ANY ADJUSTMENTS FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING SHALL BE EFFECTIVE IN YEAR ONE. ADJUSTMENTS TO THE MAXIMUM SALES PRICE ARE NOT CUM LATIVE AND WILL NOT BE CALCULATED.

REITERATES WHAT MR. PORTER SAID BUT THAT'S FROM THE ACTUAL

ORDINANCE. >> I GUESS TO THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, WITH THE ADJUSTMENT THE WITH CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX.

IS THAT THE TERMINOLOGY? >> I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW

WHAT MY THOUGHTS. >> I PROBABLY SHARE SOME CONCERNS. GOING IN THE MEETING, GOING 20

PERCENT TO 30 PERCENT. >> GOING UP IN THE PRICE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE.

SALARIES ARE NOT GOING UP. I'M VERY CONCERNED, THAT THIS ISN'T -- THEY WERE GETTING AWAY FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL DESIGN

IS. >> THESE ARE PRICES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, IS THAT CORRECT?

>>. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

IF WE HAVE OUR COSTS GO UP -- WE'VE BEEN AT IT FOR THREE YEARS AND WE'RE ABOUT TO SELL THE FIRST HOUSES.

IT'S SOMETHING WE DIDN'T CONSIDER WHEN GOING THROUGH THE ORDINANCES INITIALLY. .

>> I'M A HUGE PRO OPPONENT OF WORKPLACE HOUSING.

I WANT TO SEE THE FIGURES, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY CHANGES. .

>> IF I MAY, THIS IS A REAL CO CONUNDRUM IN MY MIND. WE'RE TRYING TO THREAD THE NEEDLE TO MAKE SURE THE DEVELOPERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND CHALLENGE TO GO FORWARD AND BUILD HOMES, PRICED AT LEAST

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TO EXPECT MORE 270, WILL. PERSONALLY, I SUPPORT $270,000.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY, THE WAY THE PROGRAM IS DESIGNED, BASICALLY IS TO RECOGNIZE A REASONABLE PRICE POINT SO THAT WE CAN RECRUIT DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE THE HOMES, WHEN THE MEDIUM PRICE IS SO HIGH IN THE COUNTY. I'M CONCERNED ON THE DROP.

THE PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING.

IF WE CUT THAT OPPORTUNITY IN HALF LITERALLY FROM 40-30 PERCENT, I HAVE TO TELL THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, AT LEAST FOR ME THAT'S TOO DRAMATIC OF A DROP.

THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. .

>> FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN AT ANYTIME WITH ANY THOUGHTS

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. .

>> IT'S A CHALLENGING PROBLEM. IT'S ONE THAT THE BOARD HAS STRUGGLED WITH FOR SOME TIME. LE BAAING THE NEED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. RECOGNIZING, THERE'S INDUSTRY STANDARDS AS WELL. IT'S DIFFICULT -- IT'S A DIFFICULT PROBLEM SET. IT'S A DIFFICULT ONE TO SOLVE.

I THINK, THE 30 PERCENT IS SEEMS REASONABLE.

I THINK IT WILL REQUIRE MORE DISCUSSIONS AS WE SEE HOW THE ECONOMIC DECISIONS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO HIM. WE ALL APPRECIATE THAT.

I'M NOT SURE, UNDER THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE A LOT OF MOVEMENT WITH THIS. .

>> AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE'VE -- BOB.

BOB. .

>> I HAVE SAT THROUGH ALL OF THE MEETINGS.

IF YOU ARE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE CHANGES AND WE HAVE TO COMPROMISE AND MAKE IT 30 PERCENT.

I THINK ALL OF US WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT.

WE NEED SOME RELIEF ON WHAT'S HAPPENED ON COST.

IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S PALABLE TO EVERYBODY, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE A SUCCESS. .

>> IS THIS JUST FOR INFORMATION. >> I THINK THIS IS FOR INFORMATION. IF YOU WANT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS, INCAPSULATING WHAT THE BOARD DIRECTS, THAT COULD BE A MOTION OR YOU COULD.

>> TO MOVE THIS ALONG, I'M PREPARED TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH THE SUGGESTED CHANGE FROM 40 PERCENT TO 30 PERCENT.

. >> I'LL DEFER MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WANT -- OR PRICE POINT ALONG THE WAY.

MY MOTION WOULD BE 30 PERCENT. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN AN

AMENDMENT, IF THERE'S SUCH. >> DO WE KNOW WHAT THE PRICE IS, WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX FACTORED IN?

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DO WE HAVE THAT >> SPOKE DURING MY PRESENTATION.

IF YOU TAKE THE 8.3 PERCENT, I LOOKED WITH THE EXACT BOOK, FROM WHAT'S REFERENCED IN THE CODE. YOU TAKE THAT, TIMES 1.83.

THAT BRINGS IT TO 240, TO 255920.

HOWEVER, WE'RE HAM STRUNG, THAT LIMITS IT TO ONLY 3 PERCENT.

EVEN THOUGH THE INDEX SAYS IT WOULD BE 259, 920.

THAT'S AT 8.3 PERCENT. IT'S THE EXTRA LANGUAGE WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE OUT TO SAY WHATEVER THAT INDEX SAYS.

WE WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT BECAUSE THE INFLATION.

>> AND WITH THE COST INDEX, IT'S A 260 WITH THE EXPENSES FACTORED IN. .

>> WE WOULD BE MEANING TO THAT, 30 PERCENT.

. >> I HEAR YOU.

>> I'M AT 260, BASED ON WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST YEAR.

. >> MAKE MY MOTION, 260 AND 30.

I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A FINAL PROPOSAL OR ORDINANCE THAT WOULD SET THE PRICE POINT AT 260,000 AND SET THE AVAILABILITITY OF WORKPLACE HOUSING AT MINIMUM 30

PERCENT. >> SECOND.

>> MAY I ASK A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.

ONE THING THAT MS. BREEDING MENTIONS, THE CODE PROVIDES A 21 PERCENT CAP. DO YOU HAVE A DIRECTION ON WHERE THE CAP REMAINS IN THE ORDINANCE?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY PREFERENCE. DO YOU WEIGH IN OR DO YOU HAVE A

PREFERENCE? >> I THINK THIS YEAR, WE'VE SEEN UNIQUE ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES THAT LED TO THE KIND OF INFLATION. I THINK 3 PERCENT CAP IS STILL GOOD TO HAVE. MOVING FORWARD, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE -- I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE 3 PERCENT.

>> OKAY. IS THAT CLEAR, KRISTINE?

WE'RE GOING WITH 260 AND 30. >> COMMISSION ARNOLD?

[9. Agreement between the St. Johns County Community Redevelopment Agency and Vilano Beach Main Street, Inc.]

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER

>> YES, SIR >> I VOTE YES.

THAT'S APPROVED. STAFF, IS THAT CLEAR.

COME BACK WITH A FINAL ORDINANCE THAT REFLECT THE NUMBERS.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY. NOW NUMBER 9.

. >> WE NEED TO RECESS THE REGULAR

COUNTY BOARD MEETING. >> I KEEP FORGETTING TO DO THAT.

AFTER YOU TAKE THAT STEP. BY ANNOUNCEMENT, YOU COULD CONVENE THE ST. JOHN'S COMMITTEE.

>> DO I NEED A MOTION. >> ANNOUNCE AND IT'S DONE.

>> YES, CREDIT CARD. >> ALL RIGHT.

I'M GOING TO ANNOUNCE WE'RE GOING TO RECESS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S MEETING AND WE'RE GOING TO START THE --

>> SAINT JOHNS COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.

NOW WE'RE READY. BEGIN.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, JOSEPH COHEN, I'M GOING TO MAKE A FEW POINTS, AS YOU KNOW, VELANO BEACH.

BOARD HAS APPROVED, VILANO BEACH MAIN STREET GROUP TO DO MARKETING, PRESENT SOME SUSTAINABLITY OPTIONS TO CONTINUE TO PROMOTE THE TOWN CENTER AND, I THINK THAT'S JUST ABOUT IT. WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, IS AN AGREEMENT FOR 95,000, $95620. BASICALLY A PRORATION, GOING BACK TO 18. THOSE, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE INCREASING THEIR SERVICES, I BELIEVE THEY ARE DEVELOPING A

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MEMBERS ARE HERE TO SPEAK TO THE AGREEMENT IF YOU'D LIKE TO.

AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGHER PRICE POINT. QUES

QUESTIONS. >> ADVISORY COMMITTEE WANT TO SPEAK. .

>> THIS IS THE COMMITTEE, SITTING ON CRA.

>> YOU WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, LESS THAN 3 MINUTES.

YOU REPRESENT A STIRRING COMMITTEE ON THE -- ALLOW YOU TO KIND OF HAVE THE SAME -- THAT WE WILL GIVE OUR STAFF AS OPPOSED TO THREE MINUTE COMMENT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> JOE ANDERSON, 1602, AND PASS THE CONDOLENCES FOR COMMISSIONER WALDRON. SORRY TO HEAR THAT.

HE WAS A GOOD GUY. I'M THE TREASURER OF SOLANO MAIN STREET INCORPORATED. I'M HERE FOR YOU TO APPROVE THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND MAIN STREET.

AND I BELIEVE WE MET AND EXCEEDED OUR RESPONSIBILITIES UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACT. I'VE DONE MORE, TO IMPROVE IN THE LAST FIVE MONTHS THAN WHAT'S ACCOMPLISHED.

AND I MET COLLECTIVELY ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS AND TO UPDATE YOU ON VVMS ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE LEAD VBMS AS IF IT'S A BUSINESS, BECAUSE IT'S A BUSINESS. WE HAVE BEEN GOOD STEWARDS OF WHATEVER FUNDING WE'VE RECEIVED AND WE'VE BEEN TRANSPARENT AND OPEN OF BOTH THE COUNTY AND RESIDENTS.

WE CONTINUE TO BUILD OUR CREDIBILITY WITH ST. JOHN'S'S RESIDENTS. WE'VE ESTABLISHED THE VOLUNTEER, COMMITTEE WITH MEMBERSHIP FROM THREE PRIMARY GROUPS THAT REPRESENTS VILANO NORTH BEACH RESIDENTS.

BEEN APPROVED.L THE BUDGET HAS - ONCE WE GET A BUDGET, WE WILL RECONVENE AND BUILD A PROGRAM GOING FORWARD.

. >> JOE MEMBERS AND HIS STAFF, REGULARLY ATTENDED MEETINGS AND FIRSTHAND LOOK OF THE ENTHUSIASM THAT'S BEING BUILT. COMMISSIONER DEAN ATTENDED SEVERAL MEETINGS, AS WELL AS SHERIFF AND STAFF. COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY STAFF.

WE'VE CREATED A LANDSCAPING COMMITTEE COMPRISED OF FOUR FOLKS, DURING THE WEEK, CLEANING UP THE LANDSCAPING AND SIDEWALKS. OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE. WE'VE -- WE SPENT OUR OWN MONEY, BUYING PAVERS, BUYING BAGS AND TRYING TO GET THE AREA LOOKING GOOD. WE NURTURE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH PARKS & RECREATIONS AND FACILITIES.

THEY HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF US, AS BEST THEY CAN, GIVEN THE FUNDING THEY HAVE. WE'VE IMPLEMENTED SPONSORSHIP PROGRAMS THAT IMPROVED OUR FINANCIAL POSITION AND WE'VE ESTABLISHED A LINE OF CREDIT WITH THE BACK.

WE HAVE NO SECRETS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EGOS, WE'RE DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, KNOWING THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUIAL LY IMPROV OUR COMMITMENT EVERY DAY WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE RESIDENTS. I THINK WE PROCH OURSELVES TO BE EFFECTIVE RESPONSIBLE LEADERS, FULFILLING EXPECTATIONS REQUIRED BY THE CRA. I ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE CONTRACT BETWEEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND VILANO BEACH MAIN STREET, THAT WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE THE WORK AND ALLOW TO

MOVE FORWARD. >> ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION. WE STARTED DISCUSSING THIS PROBABLY LAST MARCH, MAYBE. AND WE REALLY NEEDED TO MAKE THE

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WE WILL SEE ONCE THEY GET THE TRANSITIONAL HURDLE.

THAT'S WHAT LED ME TO BELIEVE, AND AS WE MOVE IT FORWARD.

AND THANK YOU, JOE. .

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC OR DID YOU

WANT TO SPEAK. >> I'M LINDA LA SERHAVE A, PRESIDENT OF VILANO BEACH MAIN STREET.

WE MET IN MARCH AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WAS FEELING IN VILANO BEACH MAIN STREET.

WE SAID, ONE THING WE WERE GOING TO DO, IS BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.

IT'S BEEN CRAZY SINCE MARCH. BUT THE 2021 FALL SURVEY RESULTS, TALKED ABOUT US NOT HAVING GREAT COMMUNICATION AND THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY. SINCE THEN, JOE MENTIONED THE POLE MONTHLY. AND THE LAST MEETING WAS A JOINT MEETING WITH SNIA. CAROL ANDERSON IS FROM MBCA.

SHE'S A PRESIDENT. SHE'S TACKLED ISSUES LIKE SAFETY AND SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO WE'RE COMING TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY. OUR SPECIAL EVENTS IS BRINGING MONEY. THIS IS A WIN FOR OUR RESIDENTS, LOCAL BUSINESSES AND THE POTENTIAL INVESTORS.

WE STARTED AN ARTIST IN MARKET, 3RD SATURDAY OF EVERY MONTH.

THE FIRST MONTH IN APRIL, WE HAD 16 VENDORS LAST MONTH.

WE HAD 52. IT WAS APPROVED TO GO THE ENTIRE LENGTH AND THE RESIDENTS COULD SAY, THANKS FOR BEING ART BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. WE WILL HAVE A MUSIC EVENT THIS SATURDAY. IT'S GOING TO BE AWESOME.

WE HAVE LARGE MUSIC, SILENT AUCTIONS, WE HAVE BEVEES, WE HAVE IT ALL. WE ARE SPONSORED BY WHISKY WILDLIFE. THIS IS GOING TO BE ON THE PIER.

IT'S GOING TO BE ON VIVIAN WAY. AND BECAUSE WE HAVE WORKED SO HARD, SALLY O'HARE, IN PARTICULAR, CINDY CAMPBELL TAYLOR, OUR VICE PRESIDENT. THE GROUP PUTTING IT ON, IF WE WILL BE A CHARITY SPONSOR FOR THE ST. AUGUSTINE WINE AND FOOD FESTIVAL. OUR CONTRACT SAID, WE WILL MAKE OUR DECISIONS ON HOW WE SPEND OUR MONEY WITH INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND -- CONSISTS OF PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. WE TOOK A SURVEY.

QUESTIONS ARE QUESTIONS COMPILED BY MYSELF.

AND CAROL ANDERSON. AND I COULD TELL YOU THE RESULTS ARE IN. WE ARE REALLY EVALUATING THEM.

THERE'S NO CONCERN ABOUT COMMUNICATION.

WE WILL TACKLE THE ITEMS THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO THE SURVEY ONE AT A TIME IN THE COMMUNITY MEETING.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE IT.

>> SALLY. >> SALLY HERRERA, 3101 FIRST STREET. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONSIDERING APPROVAL. NOW THIS IS OUR 20TH AN SERSRY SINCE THE CRA STARTED. WE'RE IN GREAT FORM.

AND WE'RE FOLLOWING THE 4 POINT MAIN STREET APPROACH, THE DESIGN ORGANIZATION, PROMOTIONS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MODEL.

FROM OUR BASE, WE JUMPED 65 PERCENT INCREASE OVER 2002 IN CRA INCOME. WE HAVE SIX HOTELS, WITH 33 BIDS AND SIX RESTAURANTS WITH A LOT OF SEATS AND 40 NEW TOWN HOMES

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OUR GOALS REMAIN THE SAME. WALKABLE COMMERCIAL, AND A RENT HISTORIC INVENTORY THAT COUNTY PAID FOR IDENTIFIED 43 SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES WORKING WITH THE CRRV, TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE, TO MAKE SURE THE AMBIENCE OF THE TOWN CENTER REMAINS INTACT AS WE GROW. WE STILL NEED RETAIL AND BUSINESSES TO MAKE IT A SAFE INVITING.

THANK YOU FOR ALL. WITHOUT ANY FLOODING IN THE TOWN CENTER, NORTH, SOUTH AND ALL AROUND GOT IT, BUT THE TOWN CENTER WAS GRAND. MAIN STREETS, WORKED IN TANDEM THEY'VE GOT THE UNITED COALITION, SATISFACTION SURVEY FOR NEEDS, PARTICIPATION AND MONTHLY MEETINGS, EXCEED 60 PER MO MONTH: SO THE ENERGY IS THERE.

AND WE REPORT THESE QUARTERLY STATISTICS TO OUR MAIN STREET OFFICE IN TALLAHASSEE FOR STATEWIDE RECORDS.

MOST OF ALL SATISFIED RESIDENTS. THANK YOU AGAIN.

. >> THANK YOU.

SALLY. .

>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 9.

SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA NUMBER

9. >> THIS IS DISTRICT # A --

NUMBER 9. >> I WILL MOVE TO ADOPT CRA

RESOLUTION, 2022. >> 3.

>> APPROVING EXTENSION OF THE TERMS, CONDITIONS OF THE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND VILANO BEACH MAIN STREET, INC. IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 925,620, FOR THE PURPOSES OF PROVIDING SUPPORT, FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA AND, TO SCUT THE CONTRACT AS ATTACHED.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD FRJS YES. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> YES. >> I VOTE YES THAT PASSES, 4-0. THANKS FOR COMING, GUYS.

EVERYBODY, IF YOU'RE FREE SATURDAY IS A ROCKING TIME AT VILANO. TRY TO MAKE IT.

OKAY. I'M GOING TO SUGGEST, IF YOU WANT TO, IT'S NOW NOON.

I WOULD -- MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO CONTINUE WORKING THROUGH.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE LAST AGENDA ITEM AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENT. SO IF WE JUST PUSH AHEAD, I THINK WE CAN FINISH UP AND THEN NOT HAVE TO BREAK FOR LUNCH, COME BACK AND GO AHEAD, BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE WAITING TO BE

HEARD. >> YES, SIR

>> ALL RIGHT. .

>> CHAIRMAN DEAN. >> RECONVENE.

>> WE NEED TO ADJOURN THE ST. JOHN'S COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT MEETING AND RECONVENE THE REGULAR BOARD OF COUNTY

[10. Hurricane Ian recovery funding request and emergency beach berm update.]

COMMISSIONER'S MEETING. >> I HEAR BY ADJOURN VILANO

BEACH. >> ST. JOHN'S COMMUNITY AGENCY

MEETING. >> RECONVENE?

>> RECONVENE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

DID I GET THAT RIGHT? >> PERFECTLY.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK.

WE'RE READY TO GO. GO.

>> I WANT TO FASTEN MY CONDOLENCES IN MY DEPARTMENT, DURING THIS DIFFICULT TIME. IN TALKING ABOUT HURRICANE AND RECOVERY, MORE OF THE FINANCIAL PIECE OF IT.

SO THE FIRST SLIDE IS REALLY TO SHOW THE -- THERE'S A NUMBER OF

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WE ARE ONE OF THE FIRST COUNTIES IN THE STATE AT THIS STEP UNDERSTANDING SOUTH FLORIDA HAS BEEN DEVASTATED.

I FEEL FOR THEM DOWN THERE WE ARE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME WITH SOME OF THE RECOVERY SCOPING MEETINGS DONE.

SO FEMA PUBLIC ASSISTANT IS BROKEN INTO TWO BASIC CATEGORIES, IF YOU WILL. TWO SECTIONS EMERGENCY WORK AND PUBLIC WORK. EMERGENCY WORK IS BROKEN INTO TWO SECTIONS CATEGORY LETTER A AND B.

RIGHT NOW THE FEDERAL QUESTION FOR THE FIRST 30 DAYS IS 100 PERCENT FEDERAL COST SHARES. WHAT THIS MEANS IF WE COMPLETE THIS PROJECT IN THE FIRST 30 DAYS 100 PERCENT OF THE COST IS REIMBURSABLE THROUGH A FEW. WE ARE ESTIMATING 1 MILLION IS IN DEBRIS. THAT IS FOR THE WHOLE ENTIRE OPERATIONS. MATTHEW AND IRMA WERE RESPECTIVELY 13-14 MILLION SUBSTANTIALLY LESS AMOUNT OF MONEY OF DEBRIS COST. CATEGORY B, THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER THE OPERATIONS OF THAT EVENT.

THAT COST HAS NOT BEEN TOTALLY CALCULATED.

WE ARE LOOKING AT A LOT OF STAFF TIME AND PAYROLL THAT HAVE NOT CAUGHT UP TO WHERE WE ARE. SO I WILL COME BACK WITHOUT DOLLAR AMOUNT SO WE CAN RECOGNIZE AND APPROPRIATE THOSE FUNDS. WE HAVE A 130,000 REQUEST WITH SUMMER HAVEN NORTH ROAD. THIS IS WHERE YOU COULD CONSIDER THE ROCK WHERE IT GOES DOWN TO THE BEACHES.

14 JOHNSON RD. IN SOUTH THERE. THAT ROAD WAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED DURING IAN. PUBLIC WORKS WENT OUT AND MADE IT TEMPORARILY ACCESSIBLE. THAT IS CONSIDERED TEMPORARY REPAIRS IT IS NOT THE FULL REPAIRS TO HAVE RESIDENTS ACCESS THEIR HOMES. WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT SOME OTHER PROJECTS IN SUMMER HAVEN I DO NOT HAVE A COST SURE YET BUT I WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD WITH THOSE COST.

AND A COUPLE OF THOSE ARE THE FORD WATERWAY DO REPAIR.

TO SOUTH THE ABATEMENT HAD A DUE WEST OF THE OCEAN THAT HAD A COUPLE OF OVER WASHES IF YOU WILL.

LOOK LIKE MOUNTAINS NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE BEACH.

AND WE ARE LOOKING TO FIND OUT IF WE ARE ABLE TO CLOSE THIS AREA SOUTH. FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE IT IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS THROWING SAND DOWN THERE.

THE TEMPORARY ROAD IS TEMPORARY. DRIVING A BIG GIANT STRUCK WITH A LOT OF SAND ON THERE MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT ANSWER.

WERE HOW WE GET THE SENSE THERE OR HOW TO PLACE THE SAND IF WE GET THERE FROM THE RIVER. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW.

WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT THE BRIDGES.

WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE STATE TO THE BIG ARMY CORPS TO SEE HOW WE CAN CLOSE THESE BREACHES. WE ARE STILL IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM TO DETERMINE HOW WE CAN DO THIS.

WHEN WE WENT TO THE STATE ORIGINALLY THE STATE SENT IT TO THE CORP WITH ONE STAR GENERAL HERE A WEEK AGO LOOKING AT IT.

AND IT IS ABOVE THEIR ON-SITE CAPABILITIES.

THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LARGER CONTRACTED COST.

THAT IS THE STEP WE ARE ON RIGHT NOW WE ARE WORKING THAT PIECE OUT. BUT WHEN THAT COMES BACK I WILL BE HERE FOR THE FINAL COST OF THOSE AREAS.

PERMANENT WORK, THIS IS CATEGORY C-G I PUT TYPICAL COST SHARE IS 12.5 PERCENT, THE PRESIDENT CAN CHANGE THE CULTURE AS HE HAS THE FIRST 30 DAYS 100 PERCENT. RIGHT NOW IS 75, 12.5, 12.5.

COUNTY HAS DAMAGES IN CERTAIN AREAS IN CATEGORY E WHICH IS BUILDING OF EQUIPMENT WHICH IS 85,000 TO COUNTY FACILITIES.

CAT F . UTILITY COST IS BASICALLY LIVE STATIONS AND DAMAGES TO THOSE. WE ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT FUTURE MITIGATION MONEY THROUGH THE FEMA PROCESS.

SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL.

CAT G . HIS PARKS AND RECREATION THE MAJORITY IS 21 WALK OVER SUFFER DAMAGE AND HAVE TO BE REPAIRED.

AND LOOK TO RECOUP THESE COSTS. SO I BROKE OUT THE CATEGORY B BEACHES THE EMERGENCY MEASURES THEY ARE MORE COMPLICATED.

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IT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY CAT B IS NOT A REPLACEMENT IT IS A PLACEMENT OF SAND FOR PROTECTION OF IMPROVED PROPERTIES.

FOR US WEST OF THE OCEAN. SO IT IS A BIG DISTINCTION PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND. IT IS NOT PUTTING THE BEACH BACK IT IS PUTTING SAND IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY TO PROTECT IT FROM A FIVE YEAR FOR STORM EVENT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY COME.

I PUT IT " EXACTLY WHAT IT STATES INTO THE FEMA GUIDE.

AND I WANT TO READ IT BECAUSE I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IT.

BASED ON THE AVERAGE EROSION FOR A FIVE YEAR STORM FEMA ONLY PROVIDES PUBLIC ASSISTANCE SP A EMERGENCY BURNS CONSTRUCTED WITH UP TO SIX YD. PER LINEAR FOOT OF SAND ABOVE THE FIVE-YEAR STILLWATER LEVEL FROM THE PREEXISTENCE PROFILE.

WHICHEVER IS LESS. THAT IS A MOUTHFUL OF WHAT IT IS SAYING. THEY ARE ALLOWED.

WE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT OF SIX YD. PER LINEAR FOOT OF A DUNE IN FRONT OF IMPROVED PROPERTIES.

IT HAS TO PROTECT FROM A FIVE YEAR STORM.

THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE THIS FEMA PROJECT AND I WILL SHOW IT IN THE SLIDE.

IT HAS TO BE A NATURAL BEACH NOT ENGINEERED BEACH TO QUALIFY FOR CAT P. B HAS A STIPULATION HAS TO BE COMPLETED WITHIN SIX MONTHS. HOWEVER FEMA DOES TALK ABOUT A SIX MONTH ADDITIONAL EXTENSION FOR THESE TYPES OF WORK.

SPECIFICALLY FOR US IT WILL BE PRETTY IMPOSSIBLE TO GET THAT MUCH SAND AND THAT MANY LINEAR FEET WITHIN SIX MONTHS.

SO WE WILL LOOK FOR AN EXTENSION IF THE CORP JESUS TO MOVE FORWARD. I PUT THE POSTURE 100 PERCENT THE FIRST 60 DAYSD TO MOVE FORW I PUT THE POSTURE 100 PERCENT THE FIRST 60 DAYSE TO MOVE FORW I PUT THE POSTURE 100 PERCENT THE FIRSC TO MOVE FORWARD. I PUT THE POSTURE 100 PERCENT THE FIRSI TO MOVE FORWARD.

I PUT THE POSTURE 100 PERCENT THE FIRSD TO MOVE FORWARD. I PUT THE POSTURE 100 PERCENT THE FIRSE TO MOVE FORWARD.

I PUT THE POSTURE 100 PERCENT THE FIRSS TO MOVE FORWARD. I PUT THE POSTURE 100 PERCENT THE FIRST 60 DAYS: HAVE, 12.5 PERCENT AFTER 60 DAYS.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IS THE FUNDING POTENTIAL REIMBURSEMENT REQUEST THAT WE HAVE. SO THIS IS AN OUTLINE OF THE BEACH AS A WHOLE. AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE THE BLACK LINES, THE I GUESS THAT IS WHERE THE FEMA PROJECTS ARE ELIGIBLE. THE PLACES THAT DO NOT HAVE THOSE LINES. BEFORE I GO FURTHER.

YOU HAVE ONE YOU HAVE THE STATE PARKS YOU ALSO HAVE ARMY CORPS PROJECTS. BOTH AT ALANO AND SAINT AUGUSTINE THAT ARE NOT QUALIFIED FOR FEMA CAN'T B REIMBURSEMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE FEDERALLY FUNDED OR STATE OWNED PROPERTIES. ONE OF THE MOTIONS I WILL BE ASKING FOR LATER ON BUT I WANTED TO BRING APPEAR.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO ADD WHAT WE CALL A CSRM A COSTA RISK MANAGEMENT PLAN TO SELL THE SAINT AUGUSTINE AND SOUTH OF NEW HAVEN.

I WOULD ASK THE BOARD ALLOWED TO SEND A LETTER TO THE CORP. TWO CORPORATE THOSE TWO AREAS SO WE CAN AT FUTURE FUNDING FOR THOSE AREAS. THAT IS THE BEACH AS A WHOLE.

TO GET MORE SPECIFIC TO THE CAT B PROJECT THE DECLINE THOSE ARE WHAT ARE ELIGIBLE AS WE READ THEM RIGHT NOW FOR A CAT B P PROJECT. A SOME OF THE HURDLES IF WE MOVE FORWARD OUR ACCESS. WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO EVERYWHERE ON THE BEACH THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DISCUSSED IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD. SPECIFICALLY IN PALM GREEN GROWTH FOR WE ONLY HAVE A VIABLE OPTION RIGHT NOW FOR US.

THERE ARE SOME OTHER PLACES AND OTHER AREAS OF THE BEACH TALKING TO HOMEOWNERS. AND OPTIONS IN THE SOUTH.

RIGHT NOW THE SEXES POINTS WILL NEED TO BE DISCUSSED.

ALSO EASEMENTS. FOR THE MATTHEW IRMA PROJECT WE HAD TO GET EASEMENTS FROM THE PROJECT PLACEMENTS WE WOULD DO PROJECT. IF WE CONTINUE WITH THIS PROJECT IN ALL THESE AREAS IT IS ROUGHLY 25.5 MILES OF BEACH WITH OVER 1000 EASEMENTS. THAT IS A LOT OF EASEMENTS WE HAVE TO GET WITHIN THE AMOUNT OF TIME TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT IN

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SO I WILL HAVE AND ASK IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES AT THE BOARD SO CHOOSES TO HELP US FACILITATE THE EASEMENT ISSUE THAT WE HAVE. SO GETTING DOWN TO SPECIFICS ON HOW MUCH SAND DID WE LOSE? IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER RIGHT NOW. WHAT YOU ARE SEEING THESE ARE ESTIMATES THAT WE BASED OFF OF HURRICANE MATTHEW.

ON WHAT WE SAW IN MATTHEW THAT WE SEE IN IAN.

THE GOOD THING AND HOW MUCH SAND WE GOT.

WE DID A PRE-HURRICANE SURVEY OF THE BEACH.

A LIDARAND A POST-YOUNG FIGHT TO DETERMINE THE EXACT QUANTITIES OF SAND WITH LOST DURING THAT EVENT.

THAT TAKES A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO QUENCH THAT NUMBER TO GET BACK TO US. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME ON THIS PROJECT SO WE NEED TO GET SOMETHING GOING.

WHEN WE DID A VISUAL SURVEY WITH OUR ENGINEERS THIS IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AS AN ESTIMATE. THESE NUMBERS ARE BASED ON A 3-FIVE YD. ON EVERY AREA ALTHOUGH WE ARE QUALIFIED UP TO SIX. WINDOW WE DID NOT LOSE ALL SIX YD. . SO THIS IS A MORE REPRESENTATIVE NUMBER OF THOSE AREAS. WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD. WHICH IS CALLED EXPEDITED PROJECT FOR EMERGENCY WORK. THIS IS - ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT, IT HAS BEEN YOU SPECIFICALLY IN BAY COUNTY FOR DEBRIS AFTER HURRICANE MICHAEL. THIS BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS.

WE WOULD WORK WITH THE STATE AND FEMA.

ONCE WE HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO START THE PROJECT.

THAT WE WOULD GET THEM INTO INFORMATION THEY WOULD REIMBURSE US. EXCUSE ME, THEY WOULD UPFRONT AS 50 PERCENT OF THE FEDERAL COST SHARE.

WE WILL GO TO THE PROJECT, COMPLETE THE PROJECT, COMPLETE THE WORKSHEET ALL THE PAPERWORK ALL THE DOCUMENTATION.

ONE THAT GETS APPROVED AND WE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT WEEKEND SEEK THE RESONATE THROUGH THE FED AND THE STATE.

WE DO HAVE THE STATE AND FEMA ON STANDBY.

IF WE WILL FORWARD HAVE ASSURANCES WE CAN AT LEAST PUT THIS IN EVERY CRISIS OPPORTUNITY.

I THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES WITH FEMA ON ANYTHING.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS IT IS NOT A GUARANTEE.

SO, IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD THERE ARE TWO THINGS I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO TODAY THAT WOULD HELP US FACILITATE THIS PROJECT. ONE IS ALLOW US TO WORK WITH CONTRACTORS TO SOLICIT INFORMATION, BIDS.

ALL THE THINGS WE WILL NEED FOR PROJECTS. FROM PLACEMENT TO DESIGN TO OVERSIGHT TO MONITORING.

THOSE THINGS WOULD ALLOW PURCHASING AND FOR US TO GET THE BEST DEAL WE CAN. SECOND IS MORE IN THE EASEMENT WORLD. AGAIN, WE DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF TIME.

IF I CAN GET AHEAD IN CERTAIN AREAS THIS IS WHERE I DO THAT.

I WOULD REQUEST $325,000 TO HIRE A COMPANY TO COME IN AND HELP WITH EASEMENT ACQUISITIONS. AT LEAST THE PAPERWORK SIDE OF IT. SOMETHING NOTICES OUT, REPORT THE EASEMENTS, ALL THE THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN WITH THOSE THINGS. IN ADDITION TO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT MORE OF A CUTOFF DATE. AND I AM NOT LOOKING FOR THE BOARD TO GIVE ME A SPECIFIC DATE.

WHAT I AM ASKING IS FOR THE BOARD TO GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO SET A TIMEFRAME ONCE WE SENT LETTERS OUT.

I KNOW WE HAD A BIT OF A HICCUP IN MATTHEW AND IRMA WERE SENDING LETTERS OUT AND PEOPLE HAD A WEEK TO TURN THEM IN.

WE WANT TO ALLEVIATE THAT PROCESS THIS TIME.

BUT I DO WANT TO HAVE SOME TIME FOR THIS IS THE FINAL TIME PEOPLE CAN GET AN EASEMENT BACK. AND THAT HELPS THE NEXT REQUEST.

I WANT TO PUT IN THEIR 60 PERCENT PARTICIPATION OF THAT AREA. TO RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD TO MOVE FRWARD. I THINK LAST TIME WE DID A MAJORITY AND A GOT A LITTLE DICEY IN THE MIDDLE.

WE HAD PEOPLE PUTTING IN EASEMENTS AND SOME RESCINDING IT. WE COULD NEVER GET A GOOD NUMBER. 60 PERCENT GIVES AS A BOARD OF CONFIDENCE THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS WANT THAT PROJECT.

AGAIN, THAT IS NOT SAYING THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD EVERYONE IS THE PROJECTS. IF YOU GET EASEMENT YOU GET THE SAND IF NOT WE WILL NOT PUT SAND ON YOUR PROPERTY.

SO, THE BREAKDOWN OF COST. THIS IS A TABLE SHOWING YOU WHERE WE ARE TODAY. IT SHOWS THE COST FROM CAT B 1 MILLION, CAT B, THE UTILITIES, PARKS AND 325,000 FOR EASEMENTS.

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THE STATE SHARE, COUNTY SHARE AND POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCE IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. I DO HAVE THREE MOTIONS IN THERE TO ASSIST THE BOARD. THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE THE ARMY BOARD REQUEST I MENTIONED EARLIER TO SUBMIT TO THE ARMY CORPS TO THE COSTA RISK MANAGEMENT FEASIBILITY STUDY.

THE SECOND MOTION WOULD BE THE 11TH OF THE EASEMENT REQUIREMENTS OR REQUEST I PUT IN PLACE.

AND THE THIRD ONE IS BASED ON THIS PREVIOUS TABLE.

THE COST FOR THE ANTICIPATED HOMELAND SECURITY IAN GRANT THE RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVAL OF THOSE FUNDING.

AND I AM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS MOMENT? JOE, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT - LET'S CALL IT, SORT OF, A RISK TIMETABLE FOR US.

I THINK ALL OF US SUCH AS THE DUNS MEMO, RESERVES.

AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE WERE TO SPEND A GREAT DEAL OF FUNDS.

AND FOR WHATEVER REASON FEMA NOT PROVIDE THE REIMBURSEMENT.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS, I HAVE NO PROBLEM GOING FORWARD WITH THESE THREE MOTIONS TODAY. BUT AT OUR NEXT MEETING, IF YOU DON'T NOW. AT WHAT POINT IS OUR POINT OF NO RETURN WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO MOVE FORWARD AND HOPE TO GET REIMBURSEMENT FROM FEMA? WHERE MIGHT THAT COME THE NEXT 3-4 MOFOUR MONTHS. AND BASED ON BEST PRACTICE NOT JUST ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. ARE WE LOOKING AT THE PROBABILITY OF 75 PERCENT OR MAYBE 99 PERCENT? GETTING FEMA REIMBURSED? IT IS A BIG NUMBER AND I MISSING ANYTHING? DO YOU

FOLLOW ME, SIR? >> JOSEPH GIAMMANCO: YES, SIR.

THE FIRST PART OF MY QUESTION. I WILL START BY SEPARATING THE TWO AREAS THE INITIAL RECOVERY COST, DEBRIS, AND THEN TALK ABOUT BEACHES. IT IS EASIER TO SEPARATE THEM THAT WAY. THE CURRENT REQUEST FOR 325,000 IS IF WE DO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT IS NOT

REIMBURSABLE. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: RIGHT.

>> JOSEPH GIAMMANCO: WE HAVE TO COMPLETE THE COST TO GET REIMBURSEMENT. THAT IS THE EASY.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: THAT IS A MINOR ISSUE RELATIVE TO THE

BIGGER. >> JOSEPH GIAMMANCO: I WANT TO

MAKE SURE IT IS OUT THERE. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: POCKET

CHANGE, POCKET CHANGE. >> JOSEPH GIAMMANCO: YES, SIR.

WE HAVE HAD MANY FEMA REPRESENTATIVES HERE.

WE HAD ONE OF THE TOP GUYS FOR FEMA BEACH NOURISHMENT HERE AND TOWARD OUR COUNTY THE OTHER DAY. IT IS A VERY LARGE NUMBER WE ARE POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT. THAT WILL PREFERENCE THAT BY SAYING IF YOU SEE THE SEE PROJECTS 33 MILLION OF 11 MILES OF COAST. THIS IS 25 MILES OF COAST BARRING 75 PERCENT PARTICIPATION.

IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT PERCENTAGES 50/50 IT IS A REIMBURSEMENT NOT A GUARANTEE. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL THE RULES AND THERE ARE A TON OF RULES. THE ONE THING ON OUR SIDE WE COMPLETED THIS PROJECT FOLLOWING THESE RULES.

WE KNOW THE RULES. WE WERE JUST LESS THAN A MONTH AWAY FROM COMPLETING IRMA AND MATTHEW AND WE HAD RECEIVED PROBABLY 90 PERCENT OF THAT MONEY BACK ALREADY.

WHEN WE HAVE AN APPROVED PROJECT AND SUBMIT THE REIMBURSEMENT 90 DAYS WE GET THE MONEY IF EVERYTHING IS RIGHT.

I SAY IT LIKE THAT BECAUSE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WE WOULD NOT BE GETTING MONEY BACK LIKE WE HAVE BEEN.

WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES IN PLACE.

THE DIFFERENCE TO THIS ONE AND MATTHEW AND IRMA.

MATTHEW AND IRMA THERE WERE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN. WE HAD ENVIRONMENTAL THAT HAD TO TAKE PLACE THAT TOOK TWO YEARS. WE DO NOT HAVE TO DO ENVIRONMENTAL BECAUSE WE ARE DOING THIS WITHIN SIX MONTHS.

CERTAIN RULES ARE WAIVED. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE APPROVAL PROCESS DOES NOT GET UP WITH THE EXPENDITURES OF THE PROCESS.

THE BOARD IS TAKING A RISK MOVING FORWARD ON NOT GETTING REIMBURSED. BASED ON IF WE DO EVERYTHING GREAT. IF WE DO EVERYTHING RIGHT I WOULD SAY THE RISK IS LOW BUT I WOULD SAY IT IS A BIG NUMBER, POTENTIALLY TO PUT OUT THERE. AND I KNOW I AM RAMBLING BUT IT IS HARD TO GIVE YOU 50/50 OR 75/25.

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MIND. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: ANY IDEA WHAT WE HAVE TO PULL THE TRIGGER?

>> JOSEPH GIAMMANCO: RIGHT NOW I WOULD SUGGEST GIVING THE EASEMENTS. THIS GIVES ME TIME TO GET THE EASEMENT TO NEGOTIATE TO FIND OUT WHAT THE FINAL COST WOULD BE. IT ALSO GIVES ME TIME TO FIND THE ACTUAL PERCENTAGE OF SAND. I WOULD SAY WITHIN THE MONTH I WOULD HAVE THOSE NUMBERS TO GIVE YOU AT LEAST A BALLPARK ABOUT THE BIGGER NUMBER IS. AFTER I HAVE THE EASEMENTS I TELL YOU WHAT ARE PERCENTAGES. TO ANSWER THE QUESTION PULLING THE TRIGGER. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PULL THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU HAVE ALL THOSE PIECES IN PLACE.

I AM NOT LOOKING TO LOOK FORWARD TO YOU WITH A LARGE NUMBER BECAUSE I WILL NOT HAVE THAT YET.

MAYBE TWO OR THREE MEETINGS FROM NOW I WILL HAVE THAT LARGE NUMBER WITH THE PARTICIPATION AREA.

THAT WILL BE THE TIME YOU PULL THE TRIGGER OR NOT PULL THE

TRIGGER. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PUBLIC

COMMENT? >> BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TEN.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: COME AHEAD IF YOU ARE PUBLIC COMMENT.

ON EITHER SIDE, COME ON UP. LINDA.

>> LINDA FRIENDS OF THE RIVER. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. WELL A COUPLE COMMENTS.

FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO THANK YOU JOE FOR THE WORK HE IS GETTING IN. I AM PLEASED SUMMER HAVEN IS MENTIONED. AS YOU KNOW WE ARE HAVING A TOWN HALL TO COME UP WITH A PERMANENT SOLUTION AT SUMMER HAVEN.

LONG-TERM, VIABLE, COST-EFFECTIVE SOLUTION TO MAINTAIN THE DUNES AND RIVER. AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE COMMISSION FOR THAT. JUST FOR THE RECORD FRIENDS OF THE SUMMER HAVEN MISSION. THE RIVER AND THE DUNES PROTECTED PROVIDE EDUCATIONAL, ECONOMIC, ENVIRONMENTAL, HISTORIC SAFETY AND RECREATIONAL BENEFITS TO THE CITIZENS OF ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY VISITORS TO OUR AREA.

THE RIVER WENT FLOWING RINGS FRESH SALTWATER.

THE FASTEST ROUTE TO POLICY OR CREEK AND THE INLET TO PROTECT THE SOUTH SHORE. THE DUNES ARE CRUCIAL TO PROTECT THE RIVER. ONE THINK WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT MUCH IS A DANGER TO A1A IF YOU DRIVE TO SUMMER ISLAND AND YOU PARK YOUR CAR AT THE SOUTH OF THE ENTRANCE.

AND YOU LOOK ACROSS THE WHAT JOE REFERRED TO AS THE MOUNTAINS.

THROUGH THE VALLEYS YOU CAN SEE THE OCEAN.

AND IT HAS A V ION A1A, THE SAE AT MARINE ONE.

THEY REPLACED THE MARINE LAND TO THE SOUTH OF THAT THE DUNES HAS GONE AWAY AT SUMMER HAVEN. SO THEY CAN DO.

SOUTH OF THAT IS WIDE OPEN TO THE OCEAN FOR A1A IT IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION IT IS TO BE HANDLED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THAT IS THE ONLY EVACUATION ROUTE OUT OF THE AREA.

I WOULD SAY THERE IS A SENSE OF URGENCY BECAUSE EVERY DAY THAT GOES BY THINGS GET WORSE. SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO EXPEDITE HELPING US FIX THE DUNES TEMPORARILY WHILE WE COME UP WITH A LONG-TERM VIABLE SOLUTION.

THAT WOULD BE OUR REQUEST. ANYHOW WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SENSE OF URGENCY. THANK YOU THAT SUMMER HAVEN IS PART OF THIS RESTORATION EACH NOURISHMENT.

THINK. AND ALSO, I DO WANT TO SAY WHAT I WAS A KID I SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT HARRY'S CURB MARC.

WE SEND OUR CONDOLENCES OUT TO PAUL'S FAMILY.

AT THE CURB MARC IF YOU GOT FIVE RC BUT YOU COULD GO TO THE MOVIES DOWNTOWN IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

I SPENT A LOT OF TIMES COLLECTING BOTTLE CAPS.

AND I AM SORRY FOR HIS FAMILY. THANK YOU.

>> YES, SIR. QUICK HELLO THERE SCOTT SIEMENS

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MY CONDOLENCES TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S.

FAMILY. COVID THE DIFFICULT STRANGE TIMES. WE APPRECIATE THE STAFF AND THE COMMISSIONS SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.

LEADERSHIP IS NECESSARY. AGAIN, GREATLY APPRECIATED.

THERE IS NO WEIGHT IN THREE MINUTES TO COVER EVERYTHING I WILL REFERENCE THE COUNTY SUMMER HAVEN QUESTION IS THAT WE PROVIDE. PROVIDED TO CITIZENS OF SUMMER HAVEN AND WE RESPONDED SHOULD BE ON RECORD.

IF NOT I HAVE SOME COPIES OR OF MY RESPONSE.

WE APPRECIATE THIS QUESTIONNAIRE.

AND AS IT SHOWS A STRONG ATTEMPT TO GIVE SUMMER HAVEN OP-- OWNE A RESPONSE. AND WAS EMAILED I HAVE EXTRA COPIES WITH ME. THE ISSUE AT HAND IS NOT ABOUT SUMMER HAVEN, NOT ALONE. THERE IS A COMPLETE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY ECOSYSTEM THAT IS BEING DEGRADED.

PROTECTING THE BEACH WOULD NOT ONLY PROTECT THE TAXPAYER.

ALSO THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER. IN WHICH INTERNS PROTECT THE MATANZAS RIVER AND INLET WHICH ULTIMATELY SHOWS THE PELLEGRIN CREEK RESERVE, AND PALM AND FLAGLER WATERWAYS I KNOW THERE WAS TALK ABOUT RETREAT. JUST A QUICK LOOK AT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER 21 AND 22. FIVE HOMES WERE SOLD IN SUMMER HAVEN FOR AN AVERAGE OF 1,250,000, 7500.

ONE AND 22 ALONE WAS 1,000,008. POSSIBLY TALKING ABOUT BUYING 10 HOMES, 12 MILLION ON A BIO THAT COULD GO A LONG WAY TO FIX.

21 AND 226 I THOUGHT WERE SOLD FOR AN AVERAGE OF 105,004 OF WHICH AN AVERAGE OF 528,000. THAT IS ANOTHER 5.8 MILLION.

PUPIL THIS UP ENOUGH YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 20 MILLION BY OUT WITHOUT A FIX. THAT IS JUST BUYING PROPERTIES.

THERE IS NO REPAIR, REJECTION OF THE RIVER.

PROPERTY OWNER BIO WOULD SPEND AS MUCH MONEY BUYING OF THE PROPERTIES IS COULD BE UTILIZED TO FIX THE AFOREMENTIONED ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. WE AT SUMMER HAVEN HAVE ACTIVELY APPROPRIATION 1760 FUNDING FOR FTP.

QUOTE, TO PROCURE AN ASSESSMENT OF DAMAGES, COSTS, AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO RESTORE ACCESS TO OLD A1 A AND SOUTHEAST ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. WHILE CONTINUING TO PROTECT THE MATANZAS RIVER. THE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR PROJECT SUCH AS A HAVEN. THIS WILL HOPEFULLY BE A STEPPINGSTONE FOR THOSE RESILIENCY FUNDS AS IT DID COME FROM TALLAHASSEE. IF I COULD, IF YOU COULD AND

TOLD ME ONE SECOND. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: ONE MORE MINUTE, THIS IS IMPORTANT. I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU

>> THANK YOU. WE ARE TOLD AND RIGHT NOW CAN'T CONFIRM. PARDON ME IT IS ONLY HEARSAY I HAVE NO WAY OF ACCESSING. 380,000 WERE MOVED OUT OF THE STU FOR THE SHELL ACCESS ROAD WHICH NEVER HAPPENED.

AND BELIEVE THESE FUNDS SHOULD BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE OF OLD A1A UNTIL A PERMANENT FIX. THERE IS AN OPEN PERMIT, FOR PEACH WORK WHICH SHOULD BE UTILIZED FOR THE COUNTY REPAIRS.

AGAIN THE MSDU SHOULD BE USED FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF OLD A1A AND PROTECTION OF THE HOUSES ALONG THE SOUTHERN STRETCH OF SUMMER HAVEN. UNTIL A PERMANENT CAN BE FIXED.

I DO NOT WANT TO USE UP TOO MUCH MORE TIME.

I GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE MATTER.

I WILL THROW IN TWO MILES OF SEAWALL.

BASICALLY LET'S CALL IT 10,000 LINEAR FEET.

I QUICKLY WROTE THIS DOWN BEFORE I GOT APPEAR.

AT $500 A FOOT, 5 MILLION. AT 1000, 10 MILLION.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT

>> YES. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

I WANT TO RESPOND WHILE IT IS ON MY MIND.

LIKE TO SEE YOU RAISE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS AND ISSUES.

I HAVE BEEN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN INVOLVED AND HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH SUMMER HAVEN SINCE 2014 WILL BE OF THE LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION TO RESTORE THE SUMMER EVEN RIVER FOR THE FIRST TIME. AND I HAVE BEEN QUOTED IN THE PAPER IN THE PAST THAT I AM IN FAVOR OF THE BIO.

LET ME DIFFERENTIATE THREE POINTS.

WHEN I AM TALKING ABOUT SUMMER HAVEN IN THE BIO NOT TALKING

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AND PREVIOUS HOMEOWNERS OR CURRENT HOMEOWNERS.

THE BIO I HAVE SUGGESTED WE LOOK AT WOULD BE A VOLUNTARY BUYOUT OF ONLY THOSE HOMES FRONTING THE OCEAN.

THEY WOULD BE VOLUNTARY NOT IMMINENT DOMAIN.

AND LIMITED TO THOSE HOMES ON THE OCEAN.

AND IT WOULD ALSO, MORE IMPORTANTLY, PROBABLY.

BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE CALLED ME. WHEN I SUGGEST THE VOLUNTARY BUYOUT I WAS NOT SUGGESTING MY FAULT FOR NOT MAKING IT CLEAR.

THAT THERE BE A SOUL COUNTY BY OUT.

IRAQ ABOUT FEDERAL, STATE LOCAL PARTNERSHIPS MONEYWISE TO IMPLEMENT A VOLUNTARY BUYOUT FROM THOSE HOMEOWNERS WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO SELL PROBABLY THE APPRAISED PRICE THE MARKET VALUE. AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE. AT LEAST THIS HAS A LONG HISTORY WHERE WE HAD FEDERAL INVOLVEMENT, STATE INVOLVEMENT, COUNTY INVOLVEMENT. EITHER A PERMIT BEING ISSUED OR ACQUIESCENCE TO MOVING FORWARD. THIS IS WHAT I CONSIDER ONE OF THE MOST VOLATILE STRETCHES BASED ON MY 45 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS FIELD. THAT, NUMBER ONE, IS THE VOLUNTARY BUYOUT OF SUMMER HAVEN.

THE FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL AND ONLY 15 HOMES THAT ARE PART OF THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT SOUTH OF THE ABUTMENT FOR THE MAJOR BREACH IS TODAY. NUMBER TWO, WE ARE GOING FORWARD WITH THE ECOSYSTEM OVERALL LARGE AREA.

ENGINEERING STUDY OR ANALYSIS. TO DETERMINE WHAT IS BEST.

THIS FOLLOWS THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE TOWNHALL MEETING BOTH OF YOU ALL ATTENDED AT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

TO COME UP WITH AN OVERALL PLAN FOR THE ECOSYSTEM, I CALL IT.

WHILE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT I WANT TO GET IT ON THE RECORD THERE HAS PROBABLY BEEN A MISUNDERSTANDING.

BECAUSE I DID NOT EXPRESS MYSELF CLEARLY WHEN THIS CAME UP SEVERAL WEEKS AGO WHEN I WAS INTERVIEWED 3-4 TIFOUR TIMES.

I AM TRYING TO BE CLEAR ELYSE WHAT MY POSITION IS IT THAT

MAKES SENSE >> APPRECIATE THERE HAS BEEN QUITE A BIT OF MOVEMENT SINCE YOU TOOK ON THE TASK.

ONE THING I WOULD APPRECIATE I DID NOT HEAR SUMMER HAVEN CELLS EVEN MENTION. AND THERE IS HELP NEEDED THERE.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: BELIEVE IT OR NOT I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION IN MY MIND BUT I DID NOT RAISE IT.

JOE, YOU HAVE SUMMER HAVEN WHAT ABOUT SUMMER HAVEN SOUTH?

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: SUMMER HAVEN SOUTH IS CONSIDERED BEACH.

AND THAT IS IN MATTHEW THE VEGETATIVE BERM THAT IS NOT A

CATJOE, YOU HAVE SUMMER HAVEN W >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: SUMMER HAVEN SOUTH IS CONSIDERED BEACH. AND THAT IS IN MATTHEW THE VEGETATIVE BERM THAT IS NOT A CAT B PROJECT THAT IS A AT G, IT WAS CAT C, IT WAS DENIED IT WAS APPEALED AND GOT AN ALTERNATE PROJECT. IT IS ON THE MAP IF YOU LOOK AT IT CLOSELY. IT IS JUST NOT A CAT B PROJECT.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, JOE

>> THANK YOU, ALL, WE APPRECIATE YOU

>> HI, SHERRY BADGER 2772 S. COLLINS AVE.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE SUMMER HAVEN DON'T NEED THEIR PROPERTY PROTECTED. BUT BACK IN 2002-2004 THE COUNTY COMMISSION HAVE PUT A BUILDING MORATORIUM.

THE LANDOWNERS, A LOT OF THE SAME LANDOWNERS THEN STILL ON THE PROPERTY NOW THAT TOOK ST. JOHN COUNTY TO COURT AND GOT THE RIGHT TO BUILD. EVEN GOVERNOR SCOTT, WHICH GOVERNOR SCOTT THAT I HARDLY EVER AGREE WITH.

YOU KNOW YOU HAVE GOT TO CUT YOUR LOSSES SOMETIMES.

THANK YOU, DOUGLAS, HAVE A GREAT DAY.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU MS. BADGER.

WHAT ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? WELCOME, SIR.

>> I AM ELLIS 9167 OLD A1A. I.

BEFORE THE COMMISSION NOT LONG AGO SAY I DID NOT HAVE ACCESS AND OUR NEIGHBORS DID NOT HAVE ACCESS WILL WE DO NOW.

IT IS ONLY APPROPRIATE I THANK YOU ALL IN THE STAFF FOR A JOB

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HE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT WAYS TO ACCESS THE PORT DUNE IN THE NORTH END OF SUMMER HAVEN. INTERESTING WHAT HE WAS SAYING ABOUT THIS TEMPORARY ROAD MAY NOT SUPPORT THE HEAVY TRUCKS THAT NEED TO COME DOWN IF WE WILL ACCESS IT FROM THAT WAY.

THE LAND-BASED EQUIPMENT TO REPLACE SAND THAT IS ALREADY THERE THAT WAS DISPLACED DURING THE STORM.

THAT MAKES ME THINK ABOUT THE FRAGILITY OF THIS TEMPORARY ROAD. AND WE DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL HAVE GARBAGE AND RECYCLE ACCESS OR SERVICE.

PERHAPS SOMEONE I TALKED TO IN THE COUNTY CAN LET ME KNOW AND I SHARE WITH THE NEIGHBORS. WE WERE JUST ABLE TO GET IN FOR THE FIRST TIME ON SATURDAY AND IT WAS WONDERFUL.

WE APPRECIATE IT. TO THE FRAGILITY AND HEAVY TRACTOR IS STARTING TO BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW.

AROUND THE ROAD CLOSED SIGN AND IT IS WEARING ALREADY.

MIGHT THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: GREGG CALDWELL IS THE HEAD OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT THE DEAL WAS SOLID WASTE COLLECTION PRETTY IS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM YOU MAY WANT TO DISCUSS

SOLID WASTE >> THANK YOU.

>> CAN MANNING 246.. DRIVE IN SUMMER HAVEN.

I VERY ENCOURAGE. AND FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS DISCUSSION ON THIS CRITICAL MATTER.

I AM ENCOURAGED THERE IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE AND THE ROLE OF THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF STORMS. BUT ALSO AS A RESULT OF MAN-MADE. THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH THE DECADES HAVE CREATED WHAT WE HAVE TODAY WHICH IS CLOSE TO BEING STATED IN ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER. AN ECOSYSTEM THAT IS IN PERIL.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE BOARD WHAT TOOK PLACE THAT CREATED THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW THIS.

THIS IS A MAP OF THE AREA. YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL PLOT MAP FOR THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY WAS CUT THROUGH HERE.

AND THAT THE TIME WE BELIEVE THE INTENT WAS IN ORDER FOR THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER TO DO WHAT IT WAS MEANT TO DO.

WHICH IS PROTECT THE SOUTHERN ED OF MATANZAS INLET, ONCE THE MATANZAS RIVER IS INCLUDED THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FORCEFUL FLOW FROM THE NORTHERN END OF THE INLET TO FORCE THE WATER EASTWARD. THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH FROM 1971 SHOWING THERE WAS A BREACH THROUGH RATTLESNAKE ISLAND.

AND IT ALLOWED FOR THE RIVER TO FLOW INTO THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY. WHEN THE COURT CLOSE THAT UP IT WAS NECESSARY FOR THE SUMMER HAVEN TO CONTINUE TO FLOW.

IN ORDER TO OPPOSE THAT SOUTHERLY FLOW OF THE TIDE FROM THE NORTHERN EDGE. OR THE NORTHERN ROUTE OF THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY AS IT EMPTIES INTO THE INLET.

SO WHAT WE ARE LEFT WITH IS WE ARE LEFT WITH THE SOUTHERN FLOW ONLY. THE WATER FROM THE INTERCOASTAL HAS TO GO UP AND AROUND THE FORT AND SO SOUTH.

AND THEN SUDDENLY IT HAS TO TURN WEST AND HAD TO THE OCEAN.

THAT IS A PRETTY POOR PHYSICS EQUATIONS IN THE SENSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT FLOWS THROUGH THE INLET EVERYDAY.

AND THE RESULT LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

WE HAVE A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION OCCURRING.

THAT LEDGE USE EITHER DROPS FROM SIX INCHES DEEP TO 24 FEET DEEP AND ONE STEP. IT IS A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF CURRENT. IT IS A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF SAFETY FOR BOATERS AND A BIG PROBLEM FOR HOMEOWNERS WHOSE FOUNDATIONS ARE BEING UNDERMINED.

BECAUSE THE WATER NOW IS ONLY FLOWING IN ONE DIRECTION.

AND THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE INLET.

WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER EMERGENCY ACTION TO TAKE PLACE.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU,

SIR. >> THANK YOU, MR. MANNING.

GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR

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MY NAME IS JAKE KEN 1891 J JOHNSON ROAD THIRD-GENERATION.

PERSON FROM SUMMER HAVEN. MY GRANDFATHER BUILT THE VERY FIRST HOUSE AT CRESCENT BEACH AND 1918.

WE WANT TO SAY THAT OUR HOUSE IS NOT ON THE OCEAN IT IS FURTHER UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RIVER THE MID-RIVER.

AND SO WE HAVE A PERSPECTIVE OF WATCHING THE RIVER WHEN IT IS NO LONGER FLOWING THE SILT AND THE SAND THAT IS FALLING TO THE BOTTOM AND COATING THE RIVER WITH MAC AND MUD ENTERING THE ENVIRONMENT. THAT IS WHY IT IS ENVIRONMENTALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE RESTORATION OF THE RIVER.

AND A COUPLE POINTS I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW.

AS FAR AS THE OVER WASHES THAT OCCUR ALONG THE BEACH.

WE BELIEVE THEY CAN BE VERY EASILY AND ECONOMICALLY PREPARED. THE OCEAN OVER WASHED THE DUNE PUSHING PLUMES INTO THE RIVER ALONG THE NORTH SIDE.

AND AS WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY, WE BELIEVE YOU CAN GO OUT THERE WITH EXCAVATOR AND A DUMP TRUCK AND TAKE IT BACK TO THE SHORELINE. AND WE USE THAT AS THE SAND TO REBUILD THE DUNE. THEREFORE WE WOULD NEED TO TRACK IT AND PUMP IT FROM OFFSHORE. VERY ECONOMICALLY AND QUICKLY CAN BE DONE. ALSO, OUR AREA DOWN THERE IS ALREADY FULLY PERMITTED. IT IS SHOVEL READY.

AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. LET ME SEE, ANYTHING ELSE? AS FAR AS ACCESS. WE HAVE HAD DUMP TRUCKS AND EXCAVATORS ROLLING ALL UP AND DOWN THE BEACH LAST YEAR.

WHEN WE WERE BUILDING THE FEMA DUNE.

AND YOU CAN EASILY GET THAT EQUIPMENT FROM THE SOUTH AND.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. AND ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU AND GOD

BLESS. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: YES, SIR.

QUICK MY NAME IS RICK PATERNOSTER THE PRESIDENT OF VERY TERI ISLAND HOMEOWNERS ARE LIMITED TO 79.. DRIVE.

I DO NOT HAVE PREPARED REMARKS BUT I WANTED TO RELATE THE CONCERN OF THE WEEDS LIVE BETWEEN MATANZAS INLET AND THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER. THEY ARE BOTH VERY INTERCONNECTED IT IS A COUPLE OF ECOSYSTEMS THERE.

JUST A BRIEF HISTORY IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF THIS.

BUT A REFRESHER. A YEAR AGO FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MANY YEARS. THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER WAS OPEN.

THROUGH YOUR EFFORTS AND FUNDING THEY FINALLY GOT THE RIVER OPEN AND WE SAW A FLOW THROUGH THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER WE HAD NOT SEEN IN MANY YEARS. AND IT WAS REVERSING SOME OF THOSE BAD CHANGES THAT WERE HAPPENING.

WE SAW THE SANDBARS START TO DISAPPEAR.

WE SAW THAT CURRENT THAT KEN MENTIONED.

THAT WAS HAVING A BAD EFFECT ON OUR FRONT HOMEOWNERS.

WE SAW THAT START TO CHANGE. AND THAT WHOLE STEERING CURRENT STARTING TO CHANGE. AND SO WHAT HAPPENED RIGHT AFTER THAT, OF COURSE YOU ARE AWARE. THE NOR'EASTER THAT HAPPENED NOVEMBER 5TH. AND SO THAT NORTHERN BERM YOU HELPED BUILD HEALTH THROUGH THAT.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY OPENED UP ANOTHER BREACH THAT CLOSE THE SOUTHERN END. WE WERE IN THE PROCESS.

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SO I GUESS WHAT I AM HERE TO SAY TODAY.

WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER THIS ECOSYSTEM AND LOOK AT THE LONG-TERM IMPLICATIONS. AND KEEP THE SUMMER HAVEN PROJECT GOING, RESTORE THAT NORTHERN BERM.

AND HELP FIND FUNDING TO BUILD UP IS SOUTHERN BERM SO THE RIVER CAN STAY OPEN AND KEEP THAT ECOSYSTEM ALIVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? I SEE ONE MORE GENTLEMEN COMING UP.

YES, SIR, NEW EDITORS >> DENNIS 9183 OLD A1A

>> YES, SIR >> I WAS GOING TO LET YOU SEE IF YOU CAN SEE THIS PICTURE ON MY PHONE

>> IF YOU COULD PUT THAT ON THE PODIUM QUICK THAT IS LOOKING SOUTH RIGHT THERE TO REITERATE WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.

IT IS WHERE WE WASH OVER WAS THAT DOING.

WITH THOSE PARTS OF WENT INTO THE RIVER CAN BE SKIPPED BACK OUT AT THIS POINT. RIGHT NOW EVEN AT HIGH TIDE IT IS NOT OVER WASHING RIGHT THERE. ONCE WE GET BACK INTO THE 4 4-EIGHT, 5 FEET OFIVE FEET ON T SCALE IT WILL BE OVER WASHING.

ON THE ROAD THEY JUST PUT IN THE LAST HOUSE.

THAT ON FRIDAY WAS THE FIRST TIME I WAS ABLE TO COME BACK UP SOME SYSTEM. I CAME DOWN THERE THANK YOU FOR THE EQUIPMENT AND THE ROAD. THEY HAD HEAVY EQUIPMENT, A BIG TRACK OH, DUMP TRUCKS, THEY CAN HAVE BIG EQUIPMENT IF IT NEEDS TO COME IN NOW AS OPPOSED TO OTHER WAYS.

THEY BROUGHT IN A LOT OF SENSE. THE TIME IS RIGHT FOR THEM TO BRING AND EXCAVATOR AND DUMP TRUCK.

TO GET BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS. >> THANK YOU, APPRECIATE YOUR

COMMENTS. >> HI, THERE THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION DENISE COCHRAN 283 BERRY TERRIAT DRIVVE, NOTED THESE WERE DIRECTIVES, MATTHEW WAS ACROSS SURE, IRMA ACROSS THE STATE. ALL THIS DETERIORATION TO OUR BEACHES AND OF THIS WAS FROM A DIRECT HIT.

THE CHANGES IN OUR WEATHER AND THE INCREASES IN STORM AFFECT.

HAVE TO HAVE US LOOKING AT OUR BEACHES IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY. SO EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND WHAT FEMA IS PROPOSING IS A REAL NOURISHMENT OF THE DUNES.

AND THAT WILL BE NOT EVEN A BAND-AID OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. ALTHOUGH WE NEED THAT HELP FROM FEMA. AND I WAS A LITTLE AMUSED BY THIS QUOTE THIS GENTLEMAN HAD. THAT FEMA LOOKS AT THE FIVE YEAR

STORM HISTORY. >> FIVE YEAR

>> FROM A FIVE YEAR STORM. IF WE LOOK AT OUR PAST FIVE YEARS THAT AMOUNT OF FILTH THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT FOR REAL NOURISHMENT OF A SIX FOOT WE NOURISHMENT.

IT IS NOT EVEN GOING TO COME CLOSE TO WHAT IS NEEDED.

ALTHOUGH IT IS WONDERFUL TO GET THIS CONTRIBUTION FROM FEMA FOR A QUICK FIX. WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY LOOK FOR ALL OF OUR COSTA AREA TO FIND A SOLUTION TO MAINTAIN.

THANK YOU. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NUMBER TEN? SURE, SEEING THAT I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: ANY ADDITIONAL BOARD COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER ARE YOU OKAY?

>> JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: IF WE WANT

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OF ENGINEERS. >> SARAH ARNOLD: SECOND.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

WHEN I ASK PLEASE VOTE. SARA?

>> YES >> CHRISTIAN?

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: YES, SIR.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: AND I FOCUS THAT MOTION PASSES 4-0.

THE MOTION TO ATTRACT STAFF FOR AN EASEMENT DEADLINE OF 60 DAYS.

AND ESTABLISHING MINIMUM DISSIPATION PERCENTAGES FOR PROJECT SEGMENT OF 60 PERCENT. AND FURTHER DIRECTING STAFF TO PURSUE QUALIFIED FIRMS FOR THE DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, AND

OVERSIGHT OF THE BERM. >> SARAH ARNOLD: SECOND.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND

COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> SARAH ARNOLD: YES.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: YES.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: AND I FOCUS.

4-0. RESOLUTION 4042 RECOGNIZING AND APPROPRIATING AND ANICIPATED DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY HURRICANE IAN GRANT. IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT GRANT AND THE APPROPRIATE USE OF FUNDS RESERVES AS OUTLINED IN THE PREVIOUS TABLE.

TO SERVE AS A NECESSARY MATCH FOR THE HURRICANE IAN PROJECTS,

[Public Comment]

APPROVED. >> SARAH ARNOLD: SECOND.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? WHAT JUST >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> YES >> AND I VOTE YES.

THE MOTION PASSES 4-0. ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK THAT COMPLETES THE REGULAR AGENDA IF I HAVE MY TAX RIGHT.

WE GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. IF I MAY, TELL THE BOARD I HAVE BEEN TALKING. WE BEEN LOOKING AT RENTALS I SAID I WOULD ALLOW HER SIX MINUTES INSTEAD OF THREE MINUTES WE WILL HEAR FROM HER FIRST. THEN WE WILL HEAR OTHER GENERAL COMMENTS. THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? CARROLL, GOOD AFTERNOON. LET'S GO ANDERSON 1602 WINDJAMMER LN. THANK YOU , BOARD, AND CAN GOA THE LENSES TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON FAMILY.

I WOKE UP TO THIS TEXT THE ADDRESS OF A RENTAL PROPERTY.

THE PERSON INDOOR THE NOISE UNTIL 10:00 P.M. WHEN THE NOISE ORDINANCE KICKS IN. WE CALLED ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S NOT EMERGENCY NUMBER AT 10:15 AND AGAIN AT 10:45.

THE NOISE SUBSIDED ABOUT TEN MINUTES LATER.

THE SENTIMENT, THIS IS WRONG, IS DEALT WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS OUR PROBLEM, VACATION RENTALS HAVE CREATED A SEVERELY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON RESIDENT QUALITY OF LIFE. OF THE PROPERTIES FROM EUCLID AVENUE TO 23RD. APPROXIMATELY 30 PERCENT ARE VACATION RENTALS. AND OF THOSE 74 PERCENT ARE OWNED BY BUSINESSES. OF THOSE 70 PERCENT HAVE BEEN BUILT OR SOLD SINCE 2018. A SITUATION THAT IS NOT UP ON RESIDENT UNTIL THE PROBLEM BECAME FRIGHTENINGLY OBVIOUS.

TO COMPLICATE MATTERS A1A >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: IS 50 MILES PER HOUR AND NO CROSSWALKS TO ACCOMMODATE THE VACATIONERS TRAIPSING ACROSS A1A WITH THEIR BEACH PARAPHERNALIA.

THAT IS CAUSING A LOT OF SAFETY PROBLEMS. AND BECAUSE THERE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE ANYTHING AFFECTED RESIDENTS CAN DO. THEY FEEL LET DOWN BY THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO RECOURSE. IN NOVEMBER 2021 THE COUNTY PASSED A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE.

AND IT COULD BE VERY HELPFUL. HOWEVER, THE COUNTY FAILED TO ESTABLISH FINES AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS.

SO THERE ARE NO TEETH IN THE ORDINANCE AND BUSINESSES OWNING PROPERTY CAN CONTINUE TO IGNORE THE PROBLEM.

THERE IS ALSO APPARENTLY THOSE SINGLE POINT OF ACCOUNTABILITY IS MULTIPLE AGENCIES IN FORCE AND REACT TO VARIOUS ISSUES

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WHEN THE ISSUE BECAME OBVIOUSLY OVERWHELMING.

THE COUNTY STAFF AND SHARE BUT WITH RESIDENTS IN JULY.

AND HEARD FIRSTHAND THE PROBLEM. WE HAVE TAKEN THREE COMMISSIONERS AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ON A TOUR OF NORTH BEACH. AND PROVIDED DETAILED RESEARCH DEFINING THE PROBLEM. WE HAVE ALSO ASCERTAINED THE ROLE THE PROPERTY APPRAISAL AND THE TAX COLLECTOR PAY IN THE ENFORCEMENT AND MANAGEMENT OF THE ST OR BUR BUSINESS.

TODAY WE ARE HERE TO MAKE A FORMAL REQUEST OF THE COMMISSIONERS. FIRST, TO ESTABLISH CONSEQUENTIAL FINES AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS OF THE STR ORDINANCE. MORE IMPORTANTLY WE ASK YOU FIX THE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE THAT THE PROCESS IS INEFFECTIVE.

THERE IS NO SINGLE POINT OF ACCOUNTABILITY.

THERE ARE NO TEETH. IT DOES NOT WORK.

FINES AND PENALTIES MUST BE CONSEQUENTIAL.

THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE, FOR A MAJORITY, THIS IS TO MAKE AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THIS PROPERTY.

PAYING A $300 FINE IS NOTHING BUT A NUISANCE TO THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS. CONSEQUENCES MUST BE SET FOR MULTIPLE OFFENDERS. BUT TODAY IT DOES NOT APPEAR MULTIPLE OFFENSES CAN BE TRACKED.

CALLS TO CODE ENFORCEMENT ARE LOGGED IN ONE SYSTEM.

CLOSE TO THE SHERIFF'S NONEMERGENCY NUMBER ARE LOCKED IN A DIFFERENT SYSTEM. ADDITIONALLY, MONETARY FINES ALONE WILL NOT HELP. THERE NEEDS TO BE RECOURSE TO DISALLOW OPERATION OF THE BUSINESS.

FIXING THE INEFFECTIVE PROCESS WILL REQUIRE COLLABORATION THROUGH ALL AGENCIES. POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS COULD BE HAVING A SINGLE POINT OF ACCOUNTABILITY.

RESPONSIBLE FOR A BOLD GOAL OF ADDRESSING RESIDENT QUALITY OF LIFE. IT WOULD REQUIRE A DATA WAREHOUSE OR SHARE TECHNOLOGY TO FACILITATE MONITORING VIOLATIONS. WHICH WOULD NECESSITATE A SEQUENTIAL PROCESS. MR. CONRAD HAS GRACIOUSLY ASKED ME TO COORDINATE SUCH A BEATING. AND I AM HAPPY TO DO SO.

BUT FOR THAT TO BE SUCCESSFUL THE EXECUTIVES OF EACH OF THE FOUR AGENCIES 20 TO GIVE A BLESSING.

I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD SCOPE THAT WORKGROUP.

THAT I WILL LEAVE WITH THE COUNTY BEFORE I GO TODAY.

IN SUMMARY, PLEASE TAKE OUR PLEA FOR HELP SERIOUSLY TO MAKE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS OF BOTH NORTH BEACH. AS WELL AS THE FIGHTER COUNTY.

AND DIRECT STAFF TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM STARTING WITH ESTABLISHING FINES AND PENALTIES.

THANK YOU. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, CARROLL, ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT?

>> I DO HAVE A, WHICH IS TO SAY I WANT TO MAKE SURE CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS THE TEETH TO PUT PEOPLE INTO COMPLIANCE.

I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO OUR INTENTIONS. I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER WHITEHOUSE, WE NEED TO GET SOME TEETH BEHIND

THIS. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: NOT ONLY DO I AGREE WITH THAT BUT ALL THREE THE SAME WE NEED MORE ENFORCEMENT MORE TEETH, MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.

THERE IS NOTHING WE DO NOT DISAGREE WITH IN CARROLL'S PRESENTATION. BE AT AS A FOOTNOTE.

I SAY SPEAKING ABOUT MY OLD HOOD, ATLANTIC AVENUE.

ABOUT 4/5 HOMFIVE HOMES ARE ST IT IS A MILE LONG OCEANFRONT ROAD AND I BICYCLE EVERY DAY. I HEAR FROM MANY FORMER NEIGHBORS WITH THE SAME PROBLEM. VERY, VERY DIFFICULT PROBLEM WE FACE WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THIS COUNTY.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, I GUESS.

I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS FROM THE THREE OF US.

JEREMIAH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THE PRESENTATION WE

JUST HEARD? >> JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: I THINK THE PRESENTATION WAS HELPFUL, IT WAS NEEDED AND RAISES IMPORTANT POINTS. I CARE AND AGREE WITH THE THREE

OF YOU ALL. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: HUNTER WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE A SHOT CAN BE BACK WITH US YOUR THOUGHTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS IN RESPECT TO THE TASK FORCE? THE OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO COORDINATE AND THE REST OF THE PROBLEMS CARROLL HAS RAISED? IT IS COUNTYWIDE.

>> AND I SPOKE WITH MS. ANDERSON.

SHE WAS RIVE-- REFERENCING TAL TO STAFF.

IF I AM NOT SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, IS ANDERSON.

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WE CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER. I KNOW MS. ANDERSON HAS BEEN GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO CREATE SOMETHING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF

MONTHS. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO DENNIS L FOURTH AND KRAMER.

ELECTED OFFICIALS TO EXPRESS INTEREST.

YES, CARROLL. >> ! I LOVE ROBBIE I SPEAK TO ALL THREE OF THOSE FOLKS AND TRY TO GET THE SCORE NEEDED AND PUT SOME TEETH IN OUR ORDINANCE AND CODE.

AND FINDS THAT WILL GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON TOM ENGLAND IS SPACE 3313 JACKSONVILLE.

ON BEHALF OF MY POLICE AND FAMILY NEED TO MAKE DUE PROCESS OBJECTION ABOUT THE MOTION. UNDER ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER A MAJORITY VOTE IS REQUIRED FOR A MOTION TO PASS.

AS STATED BY YOUR GENERAL COUNSEL, THEY SAID THE MOTION DID NOT CARRY. AND THAT, I THINK THEY SAID THAT WOULD MEAN IT WAS A DENIAL. SO YOU HAVE A DENIAL OF A MOTION TO DENY WHICH LOGICALLY WOULD BE APPROVAL.

I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE THAT ITEM UNTIL NOVEMBER 1ST.

AND REOPEN THE HEARING AS TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHERS WHO WERE HERE EARLIER IF THEY NEED TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.

WE ARE ENTITLED UNDER SECTION 125.02271 FLORIDA STATUTES TO EITHER AN APPROVAL, AND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR A DENIAL.

THERE IS NO ACTION THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN WERE ARGUABLY.

BECAUSE THE MOTION TO TONIGHT WAS DENIED AND IS APPROVED.

THAT IS ALL I HAD ON THAT. I ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE IT TO

NOVEMBER 1ST. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: TOM, FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT THAT WAS THE EXACT QUESTION I TRIED TO ASK IF YOU REMEMBER. I WAS CONFUSED MYSELF.

I HAVE TO RELY ON THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO WALK US THROUGH THE PROCEDURAL PROCESS HERE AND MAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS.

>> CERTAINLY. WITH THAT FIRST MOTION CAME UP IT WAS A MOTION TO DENY AND IT FAILED ON A 2-TO VOTE.

THAT IS WHY PART OF MS VALLIER . AND I THINK IT IS A GIFT TO YOU WAS2 VOTE. THAT IS WHY PART OF MS VALLIER .

AND I THINK IT IS A GIFT TO YOU WAS IF THERE WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE IT COULD BE PLACED. IT COULD BE MADE AT THIS TIME BECAUSE THE MOTION TO DENY FAILED.

AND SHOULD NOT MOTION TO APPROVE THE PAST, APPROVED BY MAJORITY.

UNDER YOUR RULES, RULE 4.501 FAILURE TO RECEIVE A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSIONERS SHALL ACT AS A DENIAL.

THE WAY I SAW IT. WHEN THE FIRST MOTION FAILED WE PROVIDED LEGAL GUIDANCE IF ANYONE - THERE WAS A CHANCE FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE IF ANYONE. NO SUCH MOTION WAS MADE.

AT THAT POINT WHEN THE BOARD DETERMINED IT WAS NOT THAT POINT THE MOTION WAS DENIED UNDER YOUR RULES.

BECAUSE NO MOTION TO APPROVE OR WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY A MAJORITY THAT CAUSED THE DE FACTO DENIAL OF THE ITEM.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU FOR THAT PROCEDURAL EXPLANATION.

AND WITH THAT UNLESS THERE IS ANY MOTION WE WILL MOVE ON.

OKAY. JIM, I THINK YOU MAY BE UP.

OKAY, MY PERIPHERAL VISION IS FAILING I MISS THAT

>> HE IS IN THE UNIFORM HE IS MORE IMPORTANT

>> I AM JIM HENSLEY 7330 BEACH, FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO SAY MR. WALDRON WAS ONE OF THE BEST MEN I MET IN MY LIFE.

PEOPLE FOR PEOPLE. THREE YEARS AGO WHEN HE WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD HE SAID YOU LIVE IN A GATED COMMUNITY IT WILL BE DIFFICULT. I DID NOT REALIZE AFTER FIVE

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BUT HE SAID I WILL LEARN HOW TO GET THAT.

IF I COULD AND FIX YOUR SWELLS. THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF MEN AND LADIES WE NEED SITTING APPEAR HE WAS GREAT.

I WILL KEEP GOING. THANK YOU TO THE SANDBAG PEOPLE THEY ARE ALSO. I GOT MY 20 SETBACKS IN US TO DO SEVERAL SENIOR CITIZENS. HE DID NOT HAVE TO GIVE THEM TO ME BUT HE GAVE ME 100. THOSE ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE NEEDED TO WORK. SHE OFFERED TO HELP MY SON AND I PACKED. THOSE ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE WE NEED. THIRD OF ALL I WANT TO THANK YOU MR. DEAN FOR SPENDING A WHOLE DAY AT MARSH LANDING AND REVIEWING THE SWELLS ON THE ROADS, THE SLOPES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HOMES THE GOLF COURSE. 400 HOMES, 400 HOMES, 30 ROADS AND 18 GOLF HOLES. THIS MAN WAS HANGING ONTO ONE SIDE OF MY GOLF CART WITH MY LEG ON THE OTHER.

I WAS DRIVING LIKE A MANIAC TRYING TO GO AROUND.

I WILL NOT SAY HOW OLD HE IS BUT HE WAS HANGING ON FOR DEAR LIFE THAT IS THE KIND OF PEOPLE WE WANT SITTING AT THIS COUNTER.

KUDOS TO YOU. I WILL SAY ONE THING ON ST.

JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT. THEY WERE NOT THE WAY YOU WERE WHEN YOU WERE THERE THEY HAVE CHANGED.

KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU ARE HERE THINKING THEY ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING AND THEY ARE NOT. I CHALLENGED THEM TWICE ON PERMITS AND WON THEM BOTH. LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE IN APRIL YOU APPROVED ALL OF MARSH LANDING TO BE REVIEWED, WE DID NOT GET THAT DONE. WE GOT TWO HO IS OUT OF TEN.

SOME ISSUES WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

I WILL NOT LOOK BACKWARDS BUT I PUT MY TAIL BETWEEN MY LEGS AND ACCEPTED THE TWO HO IS. BUT I AM BACK TODAY ASKING YOU TO DO THE SECOND HALF WHICH IS THE EIGHT HOA'S.

THE GOOD IS IT IS LESS THAN 20,000 YOU PAID FOR TO DO ALL THIS WORK. AND I AM DOING THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT WORK FOR THIS FOR FREE.

WE SPENT 3500 PRETTY NOT ALL THE THINGS FOR PEGASUS ENGINEERING AND MY WIFE AND I ARE SERVING AS PROJECT MANAGEMENT ON THE WEEKENDS TO GO WHERE WE NEED TO GO.

I AM ASKING YOU TO DO THE SECOND HALF OF THAT.

I MADE IT CLEAR TO KEY WEST HOURS FOR WATER MANAGEMENT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR ALL MARSH LANDING.

WE ONLY GOT TWO HOA'S AND WE HAVE A BUNCH OF SENIOR CITIZENS WHO ARE DYING RIGHT NOW AND I CAN'T LET THEM DOWN.

LASTLY, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE SWING POWERS PERMIT.

THE COUNTY SAYS IS IS A NEW PERMIT, BUT MR. FLOWERS TONIGHT.

I DID A FOUR-YEAR REQUEST HE WAS NOT GIVEN ALL THE PLANTS.

THAT WAS THE BOTTOM LINE HE ONLY GOT TEN PERCENT OF THE PLANS I

NEED YOUR HELP TO REMEDY THAT. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

LET ME JUST ASK. CAN YOU FOLLOW-UP WITH MR. HENSLEY ADDRESSED THOSE MAIN CONCERNS AND KEEP US IN THE

LOOP? >> YES, SIR, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO

DO THAT. >> DO I NEED TO COME BACK NEXT TIME TO ASK FOR AN UPDATE TO GET THE REST OF THE AUDIT MONEY?

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: I WILL GET BACK TO YOU.

WE WILL FIND OUT AND LET YOU KNOW.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> YES WE HAVE ONE COMING UP. >> GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. INGRAM 623 A1A A WE LIVE UNDER THE PLEASURE OF GOD TO HAVE UNDERSTANDING THAT.

I EXPRESS MY SINCERE CONDOLENCES TO THE PAUL WALDRON FAMILY.

I ASSOCIATE WITH HIM AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.

I SPOKE BRIEFLY WITH PAUL WEEK. IS SUBJECT REGARDS 380,000 THAT WAS TRANSFERRED SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

TO DO A STUDY ON A PATH, PROPOSAL, PERMITTING.

AND WHAT I AM REQUESTING PERHAPS WE CAN MOVE 380,000 BACK TO AUXILIARY SO WE CAN SERVE SOME OF THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS TO THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT HAVING TO USE THE COUNTY TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

THAT IS OUR MONEY FOR OUR USE. PLEASE GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION TO MOVING 380,000 BACK TO THE GENERAL ACCOUNT TO THE MSTU.

I APOLOGIZE I MISSPOKE I AM A WORKER NOT A SPEAKER.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: I HEARD YOUR REQUEST VERY CLEARLY

>> IT IS OVER THERE ARE MSTU HAD $480,000 IN IT.

WE TALKED ABOUT DOING OTHER MAINTENANCE ISSUES IN THE

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AND WHEN WE LOOKED WE DID NOT HAVE ANY MONEY.

PLEASE GIVE CONSIDERATION. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: I WILL ASK OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WITH ASSISTANCE FROM THE LEGAL OFFICE TO REVIEW THE BIDDING ON THE MSTU FUND THE EXPENDITURES, THE LIMITATIONS ON THOSE FUNDS AND MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING BY THE HOMEOWNERS TO PAY THE FEE

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH >> THE DUNE PROJECT BUILT IN FOUR DAYS LAST NOVEMBER. I SAW IT FROM MY FRONT PORCH AND WATCH IT GO AWAY. LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL FOR A HARD SURFACE PATH. WE MADE A PROPOSAL THAT DID NOT GET FAR. 380,000 FOR INITIAL ROCK PATH, WHY? WITH ALL THE STUDIES, ENGINEERING, PERMITTING, THAT IS ALL I WILL SAY. PLEASE CONSIDER TRANSFERRING

THAT MONEY BACK. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: I ASKED THE STAFF TO COME BACK WITH US ON A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE LAW AND OUR POLICIES. TO MAKE SURE THE HOMEOWNERS ARE

TREATED FAIRLY AND ACCURACY >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING, GOOD AFTERNOON. THE FLORIDA FOREST SERVICE AS YOU ALL. I AM THE FORRESTER FOR WATSON ISLAND STATE FOREST. IF YOU REMEMBER WE HAD A TEN YEAR MANAGEMENT PLAN UPDATE THAT WE ARE INVITING THE PUBLIC TO COME ALONG. WE WILL PRESENT IT TO THEM AND INVITE THEM TO MAKE COMMENTS. THE HURRICANE RUINED THOSE PLANS. WE ARE NOW RESCHEDULING IT TO OCTOBER 28TH AT 10:30 A.M IT IS GOING TO BE DONE VIR VIRTUALLY, ONLINE. PEOPLE CANNOT DO THAT THEY CAN MEET ME AT THIS STATE JOHN'S AG EXTENSION OFFICE AT 10:30 A.M I WILL BE THERE IN PERSON. I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT THAT AND THAT IS THE CHANGE IN SCHEDULE.

AND I APPRECIATE. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR

>> THANK YOU >> PUBLIC COMMENT WE ARE OPEN FOR NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD.

>> SPEAKER: PJ CALLEDI CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

LET ME STRONGLY ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO SPOKE AGAINST THE OAKTON CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

LET ME STRONGLY ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO SPOKE AGAINST THE OACITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

LET ME STRONGLY ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO SPOKE AGAINST THE OAKTON INDUSTRIAL PARK ON SEPTEMBER 22 REND REQUEST THIS EMAIL. WHICH MR CHE. SENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND. 'S ON SEPTEMBER 20TH THE SAME DAY AT 11:00 P.M. SOME THAT YOU CANNOT SEE SUCH AS, QUOTE, AN EDUCATED PU PUBLIC, ".

QUOTE, I WILL NOT LET THIS REST EASILY.

REVEALED TO ME AN ARROGANT ATTITUDE.

THIS SAME ATTITUDE ALLOWED TWO COMMISSIONERS TO MOVE OUR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE END OF THESE MEETINGS.

IN 2019 MR SHEE . SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SALES TAX INCREASE. HIS NONPROFIT WHICH DOES SO MUCH FOR THE COUNTY DOES NOT PAY SALES TAX.

VOTE SALES TAX INCREASE BY NOVEMBER 8TH.

AND GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT BELONGS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION MEETINGS.

AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE CHANGE.

AND THE WORD TODAY IS R-E R-E-S-P-E-C-T AND I WANT TO ADD. I WAS SAID TO HERE AS A CAME IN LATE THAT MR. WALDRON HAS PASSED.

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TODAY. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

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>> CLERK: DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? WITH THAT WE WILL CLOSE NOT AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: THAT BRINGS US TO COMMISSIONER REPORTS.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER HOW ABOUT YOU KICK IT OFF?

>> JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN WHAT IS A HOW MUCH MY FAMILY ARE PAYING FOR MR. WALDRON FAMILIES.

I KNEW HIM FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE COMING ON THE BOARD.

HE WAS A CLASSY GENTLEMAN HE CARED ABOUT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

HE AND HIS FAMILY DEDICATED MANY YEARS TO MAKING ST. JOHN'S COUNTY BETTER. WE WILL KEEP HIS FAMILY IN HER PURSE AND REMEMBER THE WORK YOU DID.

THANK YOU, SIR. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

SARA? >> SARAH ARNOLD: I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO WHAT MR. BLOCKER SAID. HE WAS AN INSTITUTION IN OUR TOWN IN A TRUE TESTAMENT TO PUBLIC SERVICE.

I AM VERY SAD. TO SHIFT GEARS, FORGIVE ME.

I WANTED TO OPEN UP SOMETHING FOR DISCUSSION.

I HAVE MET WITH SEVERAL GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY AS INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS LATELY. AND I AM ASTONISHED AT THE LACK OF INFORMATION AND LAYTON'S REPUTATION OF TAX AROUND THE SALES TAX INITIATIVE I SEEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

THAT I AM HEARING FROM VARIOUS COMMUNITY GROUPS.

I WAS HOPING TO GET CONSENSUS WITH THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO DIRECT STAFF IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS TO PUT TOGETHER TOWN HALLS. NOT TO ADVOCATE BUT EDUCATE.

COUNTY ADMIN, GROWTH MANAGEMENT, TRANSPORTATION, PARKS AND REC.

I FEARFUL OUR RESIDENTS DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS DOES OR DOES NOT MEAN. AND SO I SAID HOPING TO GET CONSENSUS. HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF COMMUNICATING AND PERHAPS EDUCATING OUR CITIZENS.

BECAUSE I DON'T THINK EVERYONE HAS THE FULL PICTURE.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: AS A CONCEPT I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH YOU. I WOULD ASK DAVID MAGET TO FOLLOW HIS I AM NO EXPERT BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A FIREWALL BETWEEN PROMOTING AND ADVOCATING AND SPENDING TAX DOLLARS TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF A REFERENDUM.

AS YOU SAID, SARA, JUST ADVOCATE.

>> SARAH ARNOLD: JUST THE FACTS. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: I HAVE SPOKEN TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT GROUPS.

ROTARY, KIWANIS, AND SAT AT A CIVIC ROUNDTABLE.

WE JUST WANT THE FACTS. MY PITCH IS HERE ARE THE FACTS, YOUR DECISIONS WHETHER YOU VOTE YES OR NO AS OPPOSED TO ADVOCATING OR REQUESTING. AND MAKE SURE ON THE COUNTY LEVEL DOES NOT CROSS ANY RED LINES.

OF SPENDING TAX FUNDS INAPPROPRIATELY.

>> SARAH ARNOLD: ABSOLUTELY. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: DAVID DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHAT THERE WAS A RECENT CHANGE IN THE LAW ON THIS. MY OFFICE CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON THE OUTSET IF THIS IS THE BOARD DIRECTION.

TO MAKE SURE ANYTHING THAT TAKES PLACE DOES COMPLY WITH THE LAW

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS. PROBABLY ECHOING SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. IT IS AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE WHEN THEY CALL YOU OR EMAIL YOU ABOUT PUTTING THE SALES EXPERT THEIR DECISION MAKE DEVELOPMENT PAY MORE FOR IT.

I AM CONCERNED PEOPLE HAVE NOT GONE BACK TO OUR MARCH 1ST WHEN JESSIE DUNN EXPLAINED HOW WE GOT IN THIS POSITION.

WHICH WAS A COMPREHENSIVE INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION FOR THE NUMEROUS TIMES PROFE-- CHAI DEAN WE HAVE THE STATUTORY ON IMPACT FEES. AND SO I AM CONCERNED THAT IF THIS DOES NOT PASS PEOPLE WILL SAY WHY DON'T YOU CHARGE MORE IN DEVELOPMENT? I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW WE ARE CHARGING THE MAXIMUM

WE ARE ALLOWED TO BY LAW. >> VICE CHAIR CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: HOW WE GOT THIS POSITION TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

I THINK THE PUBLIC TAKES THERE ARE OTHER SOURCES OF MONEY OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT WE ARE FACING WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

I THINK IN EDUCATIONAL IN A TOWN HALL SETTING AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO IS THE RIGHT PATH FORWARD.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: IN ONE MOMENT BECAUSE I AM COMPELLED TO DO SO. ONLY ARE WE CHARGING THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY LAW BASED ON OUR OWN ECONOMIC ANALYSIS.

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WE CAN'T, NOT ONLY CHARGE MORE. BUT WE CAN'T CHARGE IMPACT FEES THAT GO BACK AND PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS NOT DONE IN 06, 07, 08 UP TO 2018. WE ARE DEALING WITH A BACKLOG WE HAVE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PRETTY WELL COVERED WITH THE IMPACT FEES WE HAVE BEEN CHARGING SINCE 2018.

THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE ALL THESE EVENTS FROM ROUGHLY 2003 WHEN IS A LOT OF PUDS WORK APPROVED ANTISOCIAL'S OF UNITS TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. A LOT DID NOT REACH THOSE THRESHOLDS. I WOULD SAY ON PURPOSE BUT PROBABLY. AND INFRASTRUCTURE WAS NOT DONE.

IN 2008, 2012. THERE IS STILL AS YOU SAID, I GET CALLS OR EMAILS DAILY. CAN'T WE MAKE THE DEVELOPERS PAY? IT CAN'T BE DONE, AND I STARTED OUT THIS DISCUSSION LAST YEAR. SAYING I PERSONALLY HAVE TWO OPTIONS AVAILABLE.

RAISE THE SALES TAX A TEN YEAR PERIOD OR DO NOTHING. AS A COMMISSIONER IT WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, IRRESPONSIBLE FOR ME TO PUSH IS PAST THE GRAVEYARD AND DO NOTHING.

ABOUT TEACHER COMMISSIONERS DEAL WITH THIS GROWING PROBLEM

>> MR. CHAIRMAN IF I COULD WAIT AND BRIEFLY.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: YES, SURE. QUICK THERE ARE TWO POINTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE. I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER ARNOLD BRING THIS UP. I BELIEVE BACK IN 2018 THE BOARD AT THAT TIME TO TRY TO ADDRESS THIS.

SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS VOTED IT DOWN DID NOT WANT TO GET THE ORDERS AN OPPORTUNITY. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME AND THE REST OF THIS BOARD. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE VOTERS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION BASED ON THE FACTS. EDUCATION IS DIFFERENT THAN ADVOCACY. I UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRAINTS OF ADVOCACY ON THIS BUT EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT.

EVEN MORE SO THERE ARE BAD ACTORS IN THE COMMUNITY PUTTING OUT RIGHT DECEIT, PULSES THAT I THINK ARE BRINKLEY MUDDYING THE WATERS. I THINK FOR OUR STAFF TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION NOT ONE BASED ON MISINFORMATION, PULSES AND DECEIT.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS AMONG US WHO WILL ASK THE STAFF. IN CONJUNCTION WITH DAVID TO MAKE SURE WE DO NOT CROSS ANY RED LINE.

TO CREATE A QUICK EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM.

IF I REMEMBER WE ARE ONLY A WEEK AWAY FROM EARLY VOTING.

WE NEED TO GET THE EDUCATION, THE INFORMATION OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SO CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR INSIGHT?

>> YES MR. CHAIR, I WILL WORK WITH DAVID TO MAKE SURE AN EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN. PRIMARILY WHAT YOU HEARD FROM MR DUNN. EARLY IN THE YEAR IS FAIR GAME.

AT THE MOST RECENT LAW PASSAGE MAKE SURE IT COMPLIES.

AND MAKE SURE 1-TWO TOWN HALLS IN THE NEXT TEN DAYS.

TIME IS SHORT WE WILL DO WHAT WE CAN WITH STAFF TO COMPORT WITH

THE LAW IN THE MEANTIME. >> ATTORNEY: THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: ANYTHING ELSE, SARA? CHRISTIAN?

>> VICE CHAIR CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: I HAVE NO REPORT BUT JUST AN HONOR TO KNOW WALTER. HE STRUCK ME AS A GREAT PERSON I ENJOY GETTING TO KNOW HIS FAMILY AND THINKS HE WAS PASSIONATE ABOUT. WE SHARED COMMON BACKGROUND WE ARE BOTH SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS WE OPEN OUR DOORS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND SERVE THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

PAUL WITH HIS CURB MARC AND ME WITH MY JEWELRY STORE.

WE SHARED PASSION FOR YOUTH, ATHLETICS AND ADVOCACY TO THE WATERWAYS. THAT I THINK HAS SHOWNH THAT I THIU THAT I THIN THAT I THIE THAT I THINK HAS SHOWN DIVIDENDS. I THINK HE HAS HAD SOME SUCCESS IN ADVOCATING FOR THAT. PAUL WALDRON IS AND WAS A GOOD MAN. AND I KNOW HE IS WITH HIS HEAD

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WE WILL BE MISSING HIM AS WELL. >> CHAIR HENRY DEAN: OKAY.

JUST TO CLOSE I WILL SAY I WANT TO SEND A SPECIAL MESSAGE TO STEPHANIE. AND SAY

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