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>> CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND FOR THE
PLEDGE, PLEASE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> ALL RIGHT.
MADAM VICE CHAIR, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE
STATEMENT? >> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENT OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING.
ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING THE SPEAKER CARD AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER.
ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD ONLY AT THE DISCUSSION OF THE CHAIRMAN. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH IS THREE MINUTES.
THE SPEAKER SHALL IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.
IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD.
THE RECORD WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE AGENCY OR THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OF THE APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM.
BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM, THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY.
IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. CIVILITY CLAUSE: WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER, EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE.
WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES.
WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> THANK YOU.
AND I'M GOING TO USE THE CHAIRMAN'S PREROGATIVE HERE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF. THE NUMBER OF PAGES THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER FOR THIS MEETING IS THIS THICK.
AND SO TRYING TO DO IT IN A NORMAL TIME FRAME IS CHALLENGING ENOUGH, BUT TRYING TO DO IT WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, STARTING LAST WEEK, THEIR WHOLE WEEK WAS PRETTY MUCH WIPED OUT BY EOC-RELATED MATTERS WHICH I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE REALIZE, BUT WHEN THERE IS A HURRICANE COMING, THE SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE INVOLVED IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT MIGHT GET DIVERTED TO EOC-RELATED EXERCISES AND TH THINGS. SO THEY DON'T GET TO DO THEIR REGULAR JOB. IT CAME OUT LATE... LATER THAN NORMAL. NORMALLY, WE GET IT ON FRIDAY.
WE GOT IT ON MONDAY AFTERNOON. I THINK THAT WAS AN INCREDIBLE JOB. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE STAFF FOR STAYING ON TOP AND GETTING OUT AS SOON AS YOU COULD UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. ALL RIGHT.
AT THIS POINT, WE ARE READY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
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THIS IS A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.YOU CAN COMMENT ON THINGS ON THE AGENDA OR THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. BUT THERE WILL BE TIME AS EACH ITEM IS CALLED UP TO ALSO SPEAK THERE.
WILL BE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR EACH ITEM.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?
>> OKAY. WE WILL MOVE INTO ITEM NUMBER ONE. AND MISS ELLEN AVERY SMITH.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS.
ELLEN AVERY SMITH, ST. AUGUSTINE.
OUR CLIENT GATLIN DEVELOPMENT IS THE APPLICANT HERE.
WE FOUND OUT BEFORE YOUR LAST MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO OR WHENEVER IT WAS, THREE WEEKS A AGO, THAT WE... THERE IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT POLICY THAT AFFECTS THIS PROPERTY THAT WE WERE UNAWARE OF UNTIL THAT DAY.
WE ARE WORKING ON PREPARINGS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION AND ARE NOT READY TO PROCEED YET.
WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THIS BE CONTINUED UNTIL WE FINISH THAT APPLICATION AND WORK THROUGH WITH STAFF ANY COMMENTS THAT WE COULD BRING BOTH FORWARD TOGETHER.
AS COMPANIONS. >> YOU ARE ASKING FOR A DATE
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>> ALL RIGHT. WHAT IS THE WISH OF THE BOARD?
DO YOU MAKE A MOTION? >> I MOVE TO CONTINUE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE TO A DATE UNCERTAIN.
>> BEFORE WE VOTE, IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO
DECLARE ABOUT THIS? >> ELLEN AVERY SMITH CALLED ME YESTERDAY. I DID NOT GET BACK WITH HER,
BUT... SO WE DIDN'T SPEAK. >> ANYONE ELSE?
>> SHE CALLED ME. >> ALL RIGHT.
I HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT MS. SMITH ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY.
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AND I TOLD HER THAT I WAS IN SUPPORT OF GIVING THEM THE TIME TO MAKE THIS WORK. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SORRY.WERE YOU... >> I DID RECEIVE A CALL.
I DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO IT.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES.
ITEM NUMBER TWO. MR. BATTIGER.
>> MR. MATOVINA, AS A REMINDER, THIS IS AN ITEM WHICH REQUIRES
EX PARTE DISCLOSURE. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE EX PARTE TO DISCLOSE FOR THIS ITEM? THANK YOU.
HELLO. MY NAME IS LAURA GLEASON.
THIS IS MY DAUGHTER PATIENCE JOHNSON.
>> WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
YOU NEED TO SPEAK MORE DIRECTLY INTO THAT MICROPHONE BECAUSE
THEY ARE TRYING TO... >> MY NAME IS LAURA GLEASON.
>> OKAY. >> AND RIGHT NOW MY ADDRESS IS A PO BOX. I DON'T HAVE AN ADDRESS.
I'M KIND OF LIVING WITH PEOPLE AT THE MOMENT.
MY P.O. BOX IS 16601 IN ST. AUGUSTINE, 32085.
>> OKAY. >> MY NAME IS PATIENCE JOHNSON.
I HAVE THE SAME P.O. BOX. 1601.
>> THANK YOU. >> I'LL INTRODUCE MYSELF.
I'M GEOFFREY BATTIGER. I'M ACTING AS THEIR AGENT.
I'M HERE FOR MORAL SUPPORT AND CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.
>> YOUR ADDRESS, SIR. THANK YOU.
>> I'LL GO AHEAD AND START, THEN.
>> THANK YOU. WELL, YOU CAN SEE WE ARE PUTTING A BRAND NEW MOBILE HOME. I DID BRING A PHOTOGRAPH OF IT.
I'M NOT SURE IT GOT INTO THE PACKAGE.
I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU. A BRAND NEW MOBILE HOME ON THIS PROPERTY. IT IS RS-3.
WE ARE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
IT WILL BE, IF YOU WILL LOOK AT PAGE 7 OF YOUR, OF YOUR PACKET THERE, THAT SHOWS THE SITE PLAN. IT WILL BE 85 FEET BACK FROM THE ROAD. IT IS NOT READILY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET IN THAT AREA. THERE ARE OTHER MOBILE HOMES IN THE AREA. I KNOW THIS IS JUST TWO LOTS NORTH OF WEST KING STREET. AND THEE IS TWO... ACTUALLY TWO VERY LARGE TREES THAT WILL BE SAVED.
THAT PROVIDE QUITE A BIT OF CAMOUFLAGE FROM THE STREET ON THIS. BUT IT IS A VERY NICE NEW HOME.
PROVIDED BY CLAYTON HOMES. ANDLY TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR AN ACTION. OH, I'M SORRY.
I FORGOT ABOUT THE SPEAKER. I'M OF TODAY.
>> IT IS. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND
ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
>> EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND, MR. JACKSON.
Y'ALL CAN HAVE A SEAT FOR A SECOND.
>> THANK YOU. >> OR A FEW MINUTES.
NOT A SECOND. GO AHEAD, MR. JACKSON.
I'M SORRY. >> AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
I'M A TRUSTEE OF NEW ST. JAMES BAPTIST CHURCH.
WE OWN THE PROPERTY AT 134 NORTH RODRIGUEZ.
602 WEST KING STREET AND 143. AND A FEW THINGS CONCERNING THE GLEASON PROJECT, SURROUNDING IT. WE ARE ALARMED BECAUSE... EXCUSE ME. OUR CHRISTIAN CAMPUS IS IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A LOT OF OF HAULING AND WE DO NOT WANT
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SOMEONE TO STICK A MOBILE HOME OR A MANUFACTURED HOME RIGHT THERE IN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE TRYING TO SEEK LIVING CONDITIONS. CAN WE MAYBE BUILD A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME? FOR THE SAKE OF OUR CHRISTIAN APPEARANCE, THE APPEARANCE, AND SOME FUTURE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO VENTURE INTO, WE WOULD LIKE TO... WE WOULD LIKE TO DENY THIS... I GUESS THIS IS SPECIAL ACCEPTANCE THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.
IT DOESN'T GO ALONG WITH ANY OF US IN OUR CHURCH OR THE SURROUNDING AREA WANT TO DO OR SEE IN THE AREA RIGHT KNEW.
ONCE AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE SEEKING SOMEWHERE TO LIVE. THE COUNTY MADE US BEND OVER AND JUMP THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS TO PUT OUR CHURCH THERE.
AND OUR FOUNDATION BUILDING THERE.
FOR SOMEONE TO COME AND JUST STICK A MOBILE HOME THERE, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO SEE, AND IT DOESN'T... IT REALLY BRINGS DOWN THE VALUE OF THE WAY THAT OUR PROPERTY, ADJACENT PROPERTIES LOOK. I AM ALSO HERE JOINED BY SOME OF OUR PARISHIONERS. I THANK THEM FOR COMING THIS MORNING. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS GO FORWARD RIGHT HERE. I HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THE SITE PLANS. AND WE ARE JUST GOING TO STICK IT UP IN THERE. THAT IS NOT GOING TO LOOK WELL.
ANYBODY THAT COMES THROUGH TH THERE, AS SOON AS YOU TURN OFF OF WEST KING STREET, IT DOESN'T GIVE A GOOD APPEARANCE AT ALL.
WE HAVE BEEN THERE, LIKE I SAID, FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
AND ONCE AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO STOP ANYONE FROM LIVING, BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND MAKE SOME TYPE OF CONCESSION.
BUILD A HOME THERE. DON'T STICK A MANUFACTURED HOME THERE. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
I APPRECIATE YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. JACKSON.
>> I'M SORRY. I CAN'T READ THE LAST NAME.
134 RODRIGUEZ STREET. MY NAME IS DEBORAH BROWN.
I AM... I DON'T OPPOSE TO BUILDING OF A HOME, AND LET ME JUST EXPLAIN... I HEARD IT WAS MENTIONED.
THEY MENTIONED ABOUT THE MOBILE HOME.
ANOTHER MOBILE HOME IN THE AREA. HOWEVER, THAT MOBILE HOME...
THAT MOBILE HOME HAS BEEN THERE SINCE I WAS A LITTLE GIRL.
SO THAT GOES WAY BACK. AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ANYONE SEEKING RESIDENCE OR WANTING TO BUILD, BUT NOT ANOTHER MANUFACTURED OR A MOBILE HOME. I'M PLEADING, I'M ASKING THAT THIS DOES NOT GO FORTH. I'M OKAY WITH A HOME OR CONDOS OR WHATEVER. ANOTHER MOBILE HOME, I FEEL LIKE IT JUST BRINGS DOWN THE VALUE. AND TAKES AWAY FOR WHAT WE HAVE BUILT SO HARD TO BUILD UP. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS?
>> NO, SIR. >> YOU MAY OFFER SOME REBUTTAL
IF YOU WOULD LIKE. >> OOH, UPSIDE-DOWN.
>> ALL RIGHT. >> JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS. ONE, THESE ARE VERY NICELY BUILT HOMES. THEY DO HAVE LONGEVITY THAT FAR EXCEEDS ANYTHING THAT MAYBE 20 YEARS AGO OR SO.
IT WILL BE DOWN OFF THE ROAD QUITE A BIT, AS WAS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN. AND IT WILL BE FULLY SKIRTED, AND I KNOW THAT THE OWNERS PLAN ON KEEPING THE YARD VERY NICE.
AND I DO KNOW THAT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES HAVE OLDER SINGLE-FAMILY BUILT HOMES. AND I HAVE FEEL LIKE THIS ACTUALLY WILL BE AN ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WILL ADD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> YEAH. YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL MOBILE HOMES IN THE AREA.
THAT YOU STAYED IN. >> THERE ARE.
>> I'M SORRY. THERE ARE MOBILE HOMES SCATTERED
THROUGHOUT. >> THERE ARE SEVERAL.
Y'ALL... >> I CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? YOU WILL HAVE TO TURN THAT PHOTO
IN TO THE... YES. >> OVER HERE.
ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MS. PERKINS?
>> MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
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THE GLEASON-JOHNSON RESIDENCE BASED ON TEN CONDITIONS AND[3. SUPMAJ 2022-07 Fresh Market Island 2COP.]
EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDEDS IF.>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS.
IS THERE A SECOND IN. >> SECOND.
>> SECOND BY MR. WILSON. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ALL RIGHT.
LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
FRESH MARKET ISLAND... DOES ANYBODY HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER THREE?
>> OTHER THAN DRIVING BY IT, NO. >> HI.
MY NAME IS DONAH PARENT. PART OWNER OF FRESH MARKET ISLAND. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE THE OWNERS FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A 2COP LICENSE. THIS IS THE CURRENT LOCATION.
IT IS A COMMERCIAL LOCATION. IT IS A FORMER ABC LIQUOR STORE BUILDING. WE ARE CURRENTLY MOVING OUR, OUR BUSINESS FROM 110 ANASTASIA BOULEVARD TO THIS LOCATION.
WE ARE A BUTCHER SHOP, A GOURMET MARKET, SMALL BAKERY, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE A... I THINK IT IS APS.
WE ARE LOOKING TO SWITCH OVER TO A 2COP.
WE DO MONTHLY WINE AND FOOD TASTING EVENTS AT OUR MARKET.
VERY, VERY POPULAR TO TASTE SOME DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, EUROPEAN FOODS AND THINGS. AND WHEN SOMEONE COMES ALONG THAT LIKES THE WINE-TASTING THAT THEY HAD, WE WOULD LIKE TO POUR THEM A GLASS OF WINE. WE ARE SURROUNDED BY COMME COMMERCIAL... ALL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
OUR CLOSEST IS MCDONALD'S RIGHT NEXT-DOOR TO US.
AND THEN THERE IS A SURF SHOP IN BEHIND US AS WELL.
THE AQUA SURF SHOP. ATLANTIC STORAGE IS OUR NEIGHBOR. FOOD TRUCK PARK.
VETERINARY OFFICES. T-SHIRTS, RESTAURANTS, AUTO REPAIR. CVS IS ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND SO THE LOCATION IS VERY STRONG COMMERCIAL... NO LOCAL CHURCHES OR SCHOOLS WHATSOEVER. NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN THE DYNAMICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE ABC OCCUPIED IT NOT FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. WE ARE THE FIRST OCCUPANTS FOR THREE YEARS. AND THIS IS OUR FLOOR PLAN HERE.
AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE A MARKET. WE ARE A RETAIL MARKET.
WE SELL BEER AND WINE. AND MOSTLY WE ARE FAMOUSLY KNOWN FOR OUR AMAZING STEAKS WITH A LOT OF LOCAL BUTCHERS THAT... A LOT OF LOCAL RANCHES THAT WE DEAL WITH.
WE ARE A SEAFOOD STORE AS WELL. WE BAKE LYLE BIT OF BREAD.
MY HUSBAND IS FROM SOUTH AFRICA. WE HAVE A LOT OF SPECIALTY THINGS THAT IS WELL-KNOWN FROM THE COUNTRY OF SOUTH AFRICA.
BEEF JERKY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. DRY BEEF STICKS.
GOOD HEALTHY PROTEIN. AND THAT IS KIND OF THE FLOOR PLAN. WE ARE ACTUALLY MOVING FROM ANASTASIA WHERE LITERALLY, A WEEK AGO, PEOPLE WERE ON KAYAKS IN FRONT OF OUR STORE. RIGHT NOW... WE ARE REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THE MOVE. WE JUST KIND OF WANTED TO CHANGE THAT LICENSE UP A LITTLE BIT. AND WE ARE REQUESTING FOR YOUR
APPROVAL TO DO THAT. >> ALL RIGHT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM AGENCY MEMBERS?
>> YEAH. I'M A LITTLE TORN ABOUT THIS.
YOU HAVE THE FOOD TRUCK PARK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
FROM YOU. WHICH SERVES ALCOHOL.
THAT WAS A BIG FIGHT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU KNOW, TO THE NORTH OF THEM. AND I KNOW THE ABC STORE WELL.
I HATE TO ADMIT IT. THE OLD ONE.
IN FACT, SINCE THEY MOVED, I HAVE NEVER BEEN BACK TO ABC, BECAUSE I'M SO ANGRY AT THEM FOR MOVING OFF THE ISLAND.
NONETHELESS, I DID LOOK AT YOUR FLOOR PLAN THE BEST I COULD.
BECAUSE I GET... I DON'T GET A PRINTED-OUT COPY LIKE MR. MATOVINA SHARED EARLIER. I READ IT ON-LINE.
I TRIED TO ZOOM IN. YOU DON'T HAVE A BAR SET UP IN THERE. CORRECT?
>> NO. >> YOU SAID FOR WINE-TASTINGS?
WE ARE NOT A SIT-DOWN ESTABLISHMENT.
WE ARE NOT A RESTAURANT AT ALL. WE ARE STRICTLY A RETAIL MARKET.
AND WE NEVER WILL BE. SO IT IS REALLY... BECAUSE WE INTRODUCE... LIKE, THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE INTRODUCE.
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A LOT OF CURRY DISHES THAT WE VO DEUCE... INTRODUCE THAT WE MAKE.A LOT OF DIFFERENT OX TAIL STEWS AND THINGS LIKE.
THAT WE ARE A GRAB-AND-GO GOURMET MARKET.
PEOPLE WILL COME IN, IF THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE COOKING THAT NIGHT, MAYBE TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
USUALLY, AT OUR WINE AND FOOD TASTINGS, THE FOOD-TASTING PART IS THE MOST FAVORITE PART. IT IS USUALLY THINGS... WELL, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE NEVER TRIED LAMB AT THIS POINT IN THEIR LIFE. I TELL MY HUSBAND, I THINK HIS TEETHING TOY WAS A LAMB CHOP. THEY LOVE THEIR LAMB SO MUCH.
THE FOOD PARK SITS ACROSS AND DOWN BELOW US BY QUITE A WAYS AND RIGHT UP UP AGAINST A NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE SIT UP HIGH RIGHT NEXT TO MCDONALD'S AND RIGHT THERE AT
>> AS YOU KNOW, YEAH. >> SO YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE SELLING WINE AND BEER BY THE DRINK?
>> NOT PLANNING ON SELLING IT BY THE GLASS.
IT IS REALLY TO BE ABLE TO POUR IT AT A WINE AND FOOD-TASTING
EVENT. >> IF I WALK IN THERE IN THREE MONTHS, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, LIKE, WALK UP AND SAY I WANT TO
BUY A GLASS OF WINE? >> IF THE LICENSE ALLOWS FOR IT, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME SPECIAL EVENTS THAT WE HAVE, WE DO SOME NONPROFIT THINGS WITH THE TIM TEBOW FOUNDATION OCCASIONALLY.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE SOME SPECIAL PRIVATE EVENTS THAT
>> WE DON'T REALLY... BECAUSE IT IS A NEW LOCATION FOR US AS WELL. IT IS KIND OF... I MEAN, EXCITEMENT IS BEYOND THE WAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEELS FOR US.
>> YES. IT IS A GREAT LOCATION.
>> IT IS A WONDERFUL LOCATION. THE ABC FAMILY HAS SHRUNK FROM 168 LOCATIONS DOWN TO 122 AS A DESIRED STRATEGY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. YEAH.
THEY STILL OWN THE BUILDING. AND THEY HAVE PUT CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO IT. TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW US TO OCCUPY IT SAFELY. YEAH.
>> IS NIBBLES... DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
WE ARE BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MAJ-22-07.
REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW IF ON-SITE SALE AND CONSUMPTION OF BEER AND WINE WITH A 2COP LICENSE.
LOCATED AT 830A1A SOUTH. SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
>> LY POINT OUT THAT ITEM NUMBER ONE IN THE CONDITIONS SAYS THIS
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IS TRANSFERABLE SUBJECT TO THE CRITERIA IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR?
>> IF ELLEN AVERY SMITH IS REPRESENTING THIS ONE, SHE DID CALL, BUT AS I SAID, I DIDN'T CALL HER BACK.
>> NO. THIS IS SOUTH PONTE VEDRA
>> NO EX PARTE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
I LIVE AT 2787 SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.
THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION FOR THIS APPLICATION IS 2761 SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. IT IS CURRENTLY A VACANT OCEANFRONT LOT. MY COMPANY PURCHASED THE LOT AT THE END OF 2020, PLANNED TO BUILD A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME THERE. WE WERE INSTRUCTED, HOWEVER, RIGHT AFTER WE PURCHASED IT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR AFTER, A YEAR AFTER THE DUNE REST OR THE RATION WAS COMPLETE.
THAT IS DUNE RESTORATION NUMBER ONE WAS COMPLETE UNTIL WE COULD COMMENCE BUILDING. SO WE PUSHED OUR CONSTRUCTION DATE OUT TO MAY, 2022. IN MAY, 2021, HOWEVER, THE DUNE RESTORATION WAS COMPLETE BUT IN JUNE, A STORM ERADICATED A LOT OF THE GAINS THAT WAS MADE BY THAT RESTORATION.
SO WE WERE THEN TOLD THAT WE HAD TO WAIT FOR THE SECOND DUNE RESTORATION PROJECT TO BE COMPLETE.
WHICH STARTED JANUARY, '22. OUR NEW TARGET BUILDING DATE
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WOULD HAVE BEEN STARTING AT MAY, 2023.HOWEVER, WE WERE GIVEN A SUGGESTION BY DAVID KRIEGER FROM THE DEP. THAT WE COULD BUILD SOONER IF WE CHANGE THE FRONT SEATBACK... SETBACK OF THE HOME.
IN OTHER WORDS, MOVE THE HOME FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE OCEAN, LOSE FIVE FEET IN FRONT OF THE HOME, AND DO A 15-FOOT AS OPPOSED TO A 20-FOOT SETBACK. I HAVE CONCLUDED ALL THESE MATERIALS IN THE PRESENTATIONS. WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS A VARIANCE TO BE ABLE TO DO A 15-FOOT, AS OPPOSED TO A 20-FOOT SETBACK IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO BE CONSTRUCTED THERE.
AT 2761 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. WE HAD AN OBJECTION FROM THE CITIZEN... ONE OF OUR CITIZENS. ONE OF THE OBJECTIONS WAS... WE WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT RIGHT AWAY, ONE OF THE OBJECTIONS WAS THAT GIVEN THE SMALL AND I'LL QUOTE, "GIVEN SMALL CONSTRAINED MANEUVER SPACE IN THE SETBACK, VEHICULAR AND SERVICE VEHICLE PARKING AND ACCESS, IT IS BACKING DIRECTLY ON TO A-1A AND IT IS A HAZARDOUS AFFAIR WHEN YOU ARE BACKING OUT AND WE BASICALLY HAVE GIVEN UP FIVE FEET OF THE SAFETY FOR THE ABILITY TO BACK UP." WHAT WE PROPOSED IS CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PLAN, AND MOVING THE HOUSE FORWARD, GOING BACK TO THE 15-FOOT BUT RECONFIGURING THE FRONT DRIVEWAY SO THAT IT WOULD ENABLE A Y-EXIT SO A CAR COULD PULL OUT AND EXIT ON TO THE HIGHWAY FRONT FORWARD. ALL OF THESE PICTURES AND MATERIALS... AND I HAVE AN EXAMPLE, AN ACTUAL EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE HOMES THAT DOES THIS AT 2719 SOUTH PONTE VEDRA THAT HAS A LARGE PAVER AREA IN FRONT WHICH ALLOWS THE CAR TO BACK OUT OF THE GARAGE, TURN TO THE RIGHT AND BACK... AND GO STRAIGHT ON TO THE HIGHWAY. WE HAVE TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT IN THIS MANNER IN ORDER TO GET OUR FIVE-FOOT VARIANCE SO WE CAN START TO BUILD EARLIER THAN THE MAY, 2023 TARGET NOW BASED ON THE SECOND DUNE RESTORATION PROJECT COMPLETION.
IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR.
>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?
DR. HILLSEN SPHWHEK. >> I ALWAYS SEEM TO HAVE QUESTIONS. ARE YOU GOING TO LIVE IN THE
MY BROTHER-IN-LAW AND HIS FAMILY ARE GOING TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE APPROVED... THIS ISN'T A QUESTION. WE HAVE APPROVED 15-FOOT SETBACKS ALONG THAT STRETCH OF A1A.
SEVERAL OF THEM. >> ALL RIGHT.
>> I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK WE ARE DOING PEOPLE ANY FAVORS.
AGAIN, THE FURTHER YOU GET BACK FROM THE... WHAT USED TO BE DUNES THERE, THE IT IS GOING TO BE HARD TO DENY THIS, GIVEN THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHER HOUSES ALONG THERE THAT HAVE 15-FOOT SETBACKS AND THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED SINCE I HAVE BEEN SITTING UP HERE. SO IN FACT, LOOKING AT THE AERIAL, I GUESS THERE WAS A HOUSE ON IT BEFORE?
>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS? ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MS. PERKINS?
>> MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 20222-15.
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PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. >> A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
>> A SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
THAT MOTION PASSES 5-0. WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AND NOW MS. ELLENAYRY SMITH WILL BE PRESENTING ON THE
CAR-WASH. >> THERE WAS AN ATTEMPTED EX PARTE COMMUNICATION. I DID LISTEN TO HER VOICE MAIL.
I HEARD HER VOICE. >> ALL RIGHT.
MS. PERKINS? >> I HAVE EX PARTE.
SHE CALLED ME AND LEFT A MESSAGE.
I CALLED HER BACK AND LEFT A MESSAGE.
>> SHE CALLED ME. I DID NOT RETURN THE MESSAGE.
>> ALL RIGHT. >> SHE CALLED ME AND I CALLED
AND SHE AND I HAD A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY, AND SHE WENT OVER THE PRESENTATION IN DETAIL, AMONGST SOME OTHER THINGS ON THE AGENDA HERE. THEN WE TALKED ABOUT LIFE IN GENERAL FOR A LENGTHY PERIOD OF TIME.
>> YES. BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT IS MORE INTERESTING TO TALK ABOUT LIFE IN GENERAL.
>> YES. SO FOR THE RECORD, ELLEN AVERY SMITH, ROGERS TOWERS. 100 WETSTONE PLACE HERE IN LOVELY ST. AUGUSTINE WITH. ME TODAY FROM THIS APPLICATION
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IS ACTUALLY BEING PROVIDED OR THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY GATE PETROLEUM COMPANY. THE SUBSIDIARY OF GATE THAT BUILDS CAR-WASHES. BECKY HAMILTON FROM BFC AND GATE IS HERE WITH ME. TIM HAMILTON FROM... I'M SORRY.I WANT TO CALL YOU... TIM HAMILTON IS A DIFFERENT PERSON.
DIFFEENT TIM. O'REILLY IS HERE FROM THE PLANNING AND CIVIL ENGINEERING SIDE AS WELL AS LANDSCAPE DESIGN SIDE TO. GET GOING, TO ORIENT YOU TO THE PROJECT, HERE IS LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR.
AND HERE IS THE EXISTING PORTION OF THE VETERANS PARKWAY.
THIS SECTION OF THE PARKWAY IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION BETWEEN HERE AND COUNTY ROAD 210. FOR A WAY OF ORIENTATION.
THE PROPERTY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT IN THIS AREA. THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY IS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
IT HAS BEEN SINCE 2018. THE ICI COMPANY BROUGHT FORWARD A PUD AND A COMPANION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO DO RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, SO THESE QUADRANTS, THE NORTHEAST, NORTHWEST, AND SOUTHWEST DWAD RANTS...
QUADRANTS OF LONGLEAF PINE AND VETERANS PARKWAY HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED AS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL FOR GOING ON FIVE YEARS. THE AGAIN, ICI WAS APPROVED.
IN 2018. THAT IS WHY ALL OF THIS, INCLUDING THIS PROPERTY. SO WHAT WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR IS TO MODIFY THAT 2018PUD WHICH INCLUDED 570 TOTAL ACRES.
IT WAS MODIFIED IN 2014. THE ENTIRE PFER UD INCLUDES 426 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS. THEN ABOUT 330,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SPACE. SO TODAY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PART OF THE 187,500 SQUARE FEET OF ALREADY APPROVED COMMERIAL SPACE. WE ARE NOT ASKING TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET. WE ARE JUST ASKING TO BE WITHIN ITS PARAMETERS, IF YOU WILL. THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE LAND, OF COURSE, IS THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL IS THE COMMERCIAL. SO TWO THINGS THAT WE ARE MODIFYING IN THE PUD. ONE, TO ADD A ONE LAND USE FOR JUST THIS PROPERTY FOR A CAR-WASH FACILITY.
GATE IS PLANNING TO BUILD A GATE CONVENIENCE STORE NEXT-DOOR.
THAT IS ALLOWED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
THIS WOULD BE A GATE CAR-WASH OF APPROXIMATELY 5,200 SQUARE FEET, TO BE ADDED NEXT TO THE ALREADY APPROVED AND ALLOWED CONVENIENCE STORE. AND THEN RELATED TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE, THERE IS ONE WAIVER RELATED TO MODIFYING THE BUFERG BEHIND THE CONVENIENCE STORE TO ALLOW LODING IN THE BACK OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE SO THAT TRUCK TRAFFIC WILL NOT BE IN THE PARKING LOT WHERE YOU AND I GO IN TO BUY GRANOLA BARS OR WHATEVER WE ARE GOING TO BUY AT THE CONVENIENCE STORE.
JUST GIVING YOU ORIENTATION, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE. THIS IS JUST THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO. WE ARE JUST SUPERIMPOSING THIS USE ON IT. SO AGAIN, YOU SEE LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY AND VETERANS. THIS WILL BE HERE.
THERE WILL BE OTHER USES IN THIS COMMERCIAL THAT ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION. AGAIN, JUST ZOOMING IN.
YOU SEE THE ACCESS POINTS. THIS WILL BE AN ACCESS ROAD ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PRO PROPERTY, AND THEN AN ACCESS DRIVE INTO THE FACILITIES. AND THEN YOU SEE, AGAIN, HERE IS THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH THE GAS PUMPS.
HERE IS THE CAR-WASH. JUST NOTE THAT THE CAR-WASH IS IN A BUILDING, SO ALL THE EQUIPMENT IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE BUILDING. THE CAR-WASH ITSELF WILL MEET ALL PERFORMANCE CRY TIER THAT... CRITERIA IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND THEN JUST GIVING YOU... AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING, WHICH WE HELD UP IN THE... ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO OR SO, OBVIOUSLY, IN NORTHWEST SECTOR, THERE WERE SOME RESIDENTS WHO CAME OUT, AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCENIC EDGE ALONG... I'M SORRY. YES.
LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY. WE EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRED THAT TO REMAIN VEGETATED. EITHER WITH ITS NATURAL VEGETATION OR SUPPLEMENTAL VEGETATION.
MORE IN CHARACTER WITH THE... WITH ALL THE VEGETATION THAT YOU THROUGHOUT THE SITE. BUT THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS. THERE WILL BE SUPPLEMENTAL PLANNINGS. THOSE PLANNINGS... BECAUSE SOME RESIDENTS WANTED... AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN PLANTS.
SYLVESTER PALM, RED CASCADING BOTTLE BRUSH.
AND SOME DIFFERENT NATIVE SPECIES THAT THE RESIDENTS
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SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO BE PUT ALONG THIS AREA ADJACENT TO THIS ACCESS ROAD WHICH WILL SERVE ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.SO THAT WAS DONE BY GATE. AND SO THAT IS JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, AND FOR THE INFORMATION OF PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WERE AT THAT COMMUNITY MEETING.
THEN THIS JUST GIVES YOU THAT LIST OF PLANTS THAT WERE SUPPLEMENTED AS A RESULT OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION APPLICATION. WE ARE ALL HERE TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> ALL RIGHT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE AN APPLICANT?
DR. HILSENBECK? >> I DO HAVE QUESTIONS.
ARE YOU GOING TO UTILIZE THE ENTIRE SIDE? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE. IS IT GOING TO BE CLEAR-CUT IN
ESSENCE? >> SO I'M GOING TO COME... GO BACK TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
>> RIGHT. >> THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE MIDDLE ICI MIDDLEBOURNE PUD IN 2018. AND THEN MODIFIED IN 2020.
INCLUDING... INCLUDED WETLAND IMPACTS IN THESE AREAS.
THOSE ARE ALREADY APPROVED WETLAND IMPACTS.
BECAUSE THIS IS A COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL MODE.
IT WAS NECESSARY TO IMPACT THE WETLANDS IN THIS AREA.
JUST TO CREATE THE COMMERCIAL NOTE.
THOSE ARE ALREADY APPROVED IN THE PUD.
WE ARE NOT ASKING TO MODIFY THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.
>> RIGHT. I'M ONLY ASKING ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, THAT WE ARE ASKED TO VOTE ON TODAY THAT IS
AND AGAIN, SO I JUST NEED TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT.
THIS PLAN YOU SEE ON THE SITE, ON THIS BOARD, AND I'LL SHOW YOU GOING BACK, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WE GOT FROM A DIFFERENT COMPANY... THE MASTER PLAN TO THE ENTIRE MIDDLEBOURNE.
WE HAVE SUPERIMPOSED THE SITE ON TO WHAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED.
THESE WERE ALREADY APPROVED FROM 2018 TO TODAY.
WETLAND IMPACTS. WE ARE NOT PROPOSING NEW WETLAND IMPACTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
>> SO THERE IS GOING TO BE... PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION.
ARE YOU GOING TO CLEAR-CUT THE ENTIRE SITE?
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT... I MEAN, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP AND ANSWER? I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD CALL IT
CLEAR-CUT. >> WELL, I DON'T IF THAT IS THE RIGHT TERM OR NOT. IS IT GOING TO BE CLEARED?
>> OF COURSE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CLEARED IN ORDER TO BUILD THE CAR-WASH AND THE CONVENIENCE STORE.
>> THE ENTIRE SITE? >> WELL, GATE IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. THIS PROPERTY AND THIS AREA IS
NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION. >> I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS
PARTICULAR AREA OUTLINED IN RED. >> FOR THE RECORD, BECKY HAMILTON, GATE PETROLEUM, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, WE ARE BUYING THE PROPERTY FROM A DEVELOPER.
IN OUR CONTRACT, IT STATES THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL PROVIDE THE SITE TO US AT GRADE. SO IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL PROBABLY TAKE DOWN WHATEVER TREES THAT THEY HAVE PERMITTED TO TAKE DOWN. IN THEIR SITE WORK DEVELOPMENT.
>> I DON'T HAVE A DIRECT YES OR NO.
WILL THEY TAKE ALL OF THE TREES? I HAVEN'T SEEN THEIR PLAN.
I DO KNOW THAT CONTRACTUALLY, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE THE
SITE TO US CLEARED AND GRADED. >> WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THE GATE
CAR-WASH ON ANASTASIA ISLAND? >> YES, SIR.
>> OKAY. BECAUSE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SAVE SOME TREES ON THAT PARTICULAR SITE.
THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING. I WAS ASKED BY A GROUP TO COME OUT AND PERSONALLY IDENTIFY SOME TREES THAT WERE OUT THERE, SOME SAND LIVE OAKS. THEY ARE PROTECTED.
>> YES, I REMEMBER. >> I DID IDENTIFY THOSE.
APPARENTLY, SOME WERE CUT OR TAKEN.
>> NO, SIR. >> IS THAT CORRECT?
>> NO, SIR. THAT IS NOT CORRECT.
>> OKAY. >> WHAT WE WERE ALLOWED TO DO, I BELIEVE WE RELOCATED TWO OF THE TREES.
ALL OF THE OTHER TREES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED, WE KEPT.
AND IF YOU WILL RECALL, THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF NOT IMPACKING THE PERMITTED DRAINAGE POND THAT WE HAD TO THE WEST OF THAT.
>> RIGHT. >> WE WERE ABLE TO RELOCATE OUR STORMWATER TO PRESERVE THOSE TREES.
>> SO I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET ON THAT SITE OR CHECK ON THOSE.
I KNOW THIS IS IRRELEVANT TO THIS TOPIC.
I'M CURIOUSMENT. >> IT IS OKAY.
>> THAT THE TREES YOU RELOCATE... I MEAN, THESE WERE 40-FOOT-TALL TREES. ARE THEY STILL ALIVE?
>> I DON'T KNOW THE SIZE OF THOSE TREES.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ARE STILL ALIVE.
>> OKAY. >> DR. HILSENBECK,LY INTERJECT.
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I WAS ALSO INVOLVED IN THAT. AS YOU WILL RECALL, GATE, THAT PROPERTY WAS ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL USE.>> YES. >> GATE HAD THE LEGAL RIGHT TO BUILD A DRAINAGE POND ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT HAD LOTS OF THE TREES YOU LOOKED AT. AS BECKY SAID, GATE WAS A GOOD CORPORATE CITIZEN AND DID AN ALTERNATE STORMWATER PLAN TO SAVE THE TREES ON THAT STORMWATER SITE.
SO I JUST WANT THAT TO BE ON THE RECORD SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TREE REMOVAL AND ALL OF THAT.
THIS IS A SITE THAT WILL COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH RESPECT TO ANY TREE REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT.
LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THEY HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY HAD THEIR LANDSCAPE ARK TECH ADD MORE FLORIDA-FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING AND INCREASED THE LANDSCAPING ALONG THE ROAD THAT RUNS TO THE EAST, IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
>> WELL, I WILL AGREE WITH YOU THAT GATE HAS BEEN OVERALL A DEFINITELY BENEFICIAL CORPORATE ENTITY FOR OUR COUNTY AND DUVAL COUNTY. I LIKE GATE PETROLEUM.
I'M ETERNALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE SALE BY THE FAMILY.
THAT IS GOOD IN THEIR FAVOR. GETTING BACK TO THIS ONE, WHY CAN'T YOU HAVE THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE REAR BOUNDARY? AND THE REAR DRIVE AREA? WHY IS THAT NOT POSSIBLE TO MAINTAIN THAT?
>> MAY I ANSWER? >> THAT REQUIRED LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR A WAIVER FOR.
THAT ONE WORKS GOOD. >> PERFECT.
I'M SO SORRY. >> THAT IS FINE.
I CAN'T GET IT TO WORK. IF YOU WILL LOOK BEHIND THE CONVENIENCE STORE, WE HAVE A LOADING AREA THERE.
THE LOADING AREA ENABLES US TO KEEP ALL OF THE VENDORS AWAY FROM THE CUSTOMERS WHO TYPICALLY COME, OBVIOUSLY, TO THE FRONT OF THE STORE FOR EITHER THEIR GAS OR TO PARK TO COME INTO THE DESCREENS STORE. ... CONVENIENCE STORE.
FOR SAFETY REASONS, WE LIKE TO KEEP THAT TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCES AND USES. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE INCREASED THE LANDSCAPE AREA IN THE TWO LITTLE ISLANDS ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT. BUT WE HAD TO ELIMINATE THAT BUFFER JUST IN THE AREA WHERE THE TRACK OR THE-TRAILERS WILL PULL IN. THAT WILL GIVE THEM A GOOD SAFETY SITE LINE... SIGHT LINE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO PULL BACK OUT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> IT MAKES SENSE, YEAH. SURE.
THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE VERY WELCOME.
>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? ALL RIGHT.
WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.
>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF 22-06ICI MIDDLEBOURNE PUD.
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>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.
>> SECOND BY MR. WILSON. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES 4-1.
LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH
REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER SIX? >> NO.
>> HEARING NONE,. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
WE THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FOR SOMETHING TO BE CHANGED THAT WE THINK SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED.
ANYWAY, IT IS. WE THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WE HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY I OWN WITH THE HAMILTON UP-CHURCH.
MANY YEARS AGO. HE HAS PASSED AWAY.
HIS SON, THE MAYOR OF ST. AUGUSTINE IS REPPING THE OTHER SIDE. WE OWN HALF-INTEREST.
THEY OWN HALF-INTEREST. WE HAVE .73 ACRES.
WHICH ISN'T VERY MUCH LAND. AND SOMEHOW NONE OF US FIGURED OUT... THE ZONING DEPARTMENT CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW IT GOT ZONED COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST.
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WE WANT TO CHANGE IT BACK TO... WE HAVE A CUSTOMER MRS. WENDY BROWN. AND WENDY IS A REALTOR WITH OUR COMPANY. SHE HAS A CUSTOMER THAT WANTS TO BUY THE LAND, BUT WHEN WE GOT INTO CHECKING AND FOUND OUT IT WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST, WE REALIZED WE COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT A ZONING CHANGE. THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY.>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY SPEAKER CARDS? ALL RIGHT.
WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.
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MS. PERKINS? >> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2022-15 HILLTOP ROAD.
BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.
>> SECOND. >> A MOTION BY MR. PERKINS.
SECOND BY MR. HILSENBECK. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION IS APPROVED.
5-0. AND WE ARE ON TO ITEM NUMBER
SEVEN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. >> MS. TAYLOR? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY... I ASSUME YOU WILL BE PRESENTING 7 AND 8 TOGETHER? OKAY.
>> I DID TWO DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS.
THEY ARE KIND OF SIMILAR. >> DO YOU WANT US TO VOTE ON ONE AND THEN YOU WILL MAKE THE SECOND PRESENTATION?
>> I WILL DO THE COMP PLAN ONE FIRST.
>> ALL RIGHT. LY NOT ASK FOR ANY EX PARTE
COMMUNICATION, THEN. >> WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON.
KAREN TAYLOR. AS NOTED, THIS IS THE CRACKER SWAMP COMMERCIAL. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SMALL-SCALE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. WESLEY SMITH AND HIS WIFE JULIE
ARE HERE WITH ME TODAY. >> YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF LOCATION, IT IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH AND CRACKER SWAMP ROAD. KIND OF SOUTHEAST OF HASTINGS.
IT IS 8.02 ACRES. TWO PARCEL, ONE ON EITHER SIDE OF CRACKER SWAMP ROAD. AND THIS IS PART OF AN OVERALL PROPERTY THAT CONSISTS OF A NUMBER OF PARCELS TO THE SOUTH WHICH YOU HAVE SEEN IF YOU HAVE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION FOR THE REZONING AS WELL. AND SO THEY ALSO OWN THAT.
THE EAST PROPERTIES ARE KIND OF PART OF THE FLAGLER STATE WATER AND CONTROL DISTRICT. THE WEST PROPERTIES, THERE IS SOME RESIDENTIAL, BUT THERE IS FARM PROPERTIES AS WELL.
AND SOME OTHER ACTIVE TO THE SOUTH AND EAST ALSO.
AND PART OF THE... TO THE EAST AND SOUTH IS A LITTLE BIT OF A MORE SINGLE-FAMILY AS WELL. FLAGLER ESTATES IS FURTHER TO THE SOUTH. IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW ON HERE.
THAT IS THE CONTINUATION OF WEST CREEK BOULEVARD THAT GOES INTO FLAGLER ESTATES AS THEIR SECONDARY ACCESS.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY, THE WESTERN PARCEL IS THE 3.52 ACRES. THE EASTERN IS 4.5.
AND WE DETERMINED THOSE, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE EXISTING ZONING OR THE OWNERSHIP, BUT ACTUALLY, THAT CANAL ACCESS FOR THAT IS THE SOUTHERN MOST PIECE OF THAT. AND THIS WAS ALL PART OF A DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PLANNED A LONG TIME AGO.
CALLED PINE TREE VILLAGE. AND IT WAS PLANNED FOR MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL AND OF COURSE, WHEN I DO SHOW YOU...
WHEN WE GO OVER THE REZONING, RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF THAT IS RG-2 WHICH IS MULTIFAMILY. AND THERE IS STILL SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL THAT WE ARE NOT TOUCHING IN HERE.
THE FUTURE LAND USE IS AGRICULTURE INTENSIVE.
AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THOSE SURROUNDING ONES WITH... YOU HAVE SOME PARKS AND RECREATION. YOU HAVEST, YOU KNOW, RURAL CULTURE. MOSTLY ALL OF THAT IS FLAGLER ESTATES. THIS IS ALL FLAGLER ESTATES DOWN IN HERE. AND WHEN YOU GET UP TOWARDS HASTINGS, THERE IS RESIDENTIAL AND SOME SPOTTY INDUSTRIAL AS WELL. AS FOR THE ZONING, THE ZONING ON THIS PIECE IS COMMERCIAL-GENERAL.
THERE IS NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
THERE IS ALSO SOME RG-2 THAT IS UP TOWARDS THE HASTINGS AREA.
AND THERE IS A COMMERCIAL NOTE THAT IS AT FLAGLER ESTATES
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BOULEVARD AND COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH WHERE IT CHANGES INTO COUNTY ROAD 204. THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU THOSE SPOTTY... YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE WHAT THE PINE TREE VILLAGE LAYOUT ACTUALLY WAS. SO THE REQUEST IS TO TAKE IT FROM AGRICULTURAL-INTENSIVE TO RURAL-COMMERCIAL FOR THOSE EIGHT ACRES. THE RC LAND USE DESIGNATION PROVIDES FOR RURAL-COMMERCIAL, CULTURAL, AND INSTITUTIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS. THE EXISTING ZONING, THOUGH, WOULD HAVE A LIMITATION. YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE ALL THE USES WITHIN CG-ZONING BECAUSE THE RURAL-COMMERCIAL LAND USE IS LIMITED TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.% YOU WILL SEE THEM PUT THAT IN THERE.AND AGAIN, THESE ARE KIND OF THE TYPICAL THINGS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE IN THIS TYPE OF COMMUNITY.
NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL AND SERVICES.
FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT TRAVEL, FROM U1 TO HASTINGS ON TO... OR WHATEVER AS WELL AS AS THE SECOND ENTRANCE TO FLAGLER ESTATES, AS THAT HAS DEVELOPED A LOT RECENT YEARS, THIS IS BECOMING ACTUALLY, A VERY POPULAR WAY TO GO BECAUSE PEOPLE DECIDE TO GO 207 RATHER THAN GO ALL THE WAIL OVER TO U.S. 1.
TO COME INTO ST. AUGUSTINE FOR WORKING.
SO THAT JUST SHOWS YOU THE REQUESTED CHANGE, AND WHAT THOSE USE CATEGORIES ARE THAT FALL UNDER THAT.
THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO USE. I DID PUT IN THE WETLANDS MAP.
IT SHOWS YOU THE UPLANDS AND THE WETLANDS.
THEY ARE CONSIDERED... THE WETLANDS ARE THE STREAMS AND LAKES. AND MIXED CANOPY OF PINES AND OAK, WATER OAKS, ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
THEN THE UPLANDS, THERE IS SOME SLASH PINE AND STUFF ON THAT.
SO WE DID KIND OF COME UP WITH A PLAN AS A GENERAL SITE PLAN.
AS REQUIRED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND REALLY KIND OF TOOK WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE MOST INTENSE THING THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY END UP DOING HERE.
BUT WOULD ALSO PROBABLY BE THE MOST REASONABLE, CONSIDERING THE FLAGLER ESTATES FOLKS. SO IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT 2.7 ACRES WHICH IS PRIMARILY UPLANDS. THERE IS A SMALL ISOLATED WETLANDING IN THE FRONT HERE. AND THERE WOULD BE A SLIGHT IMPACT TO THAT BACK HERE. I'LL GIVE YOU A CLOSER VIEW.
WE LAID IT OUT WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH SOME RETAIL OR OFFICE SPACE THAT WOULD GO WITH THAT.
AND SO OUT OF THE 8.02 ACRES, WE PRESERVE THE 5.26 AND THE IMPACT WOULD BE THE .34. I DID INCLUDE IN THIS, WHICH IS IN YOUR... IN ALL MY DATA, TOO, THE TRIP GENERATION FOR THE RETAIL. THE RETAIL IS, LIKE, 398 DAILY TRIPS. THE CONVENIENCE STORE, IF YOU PUT THAT MANY, IF YOU DID HAVE THAT MANY FUELING STATIONS, WOULD GENERATE MORE TRIPS. THAT IS NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE USE OF... IN THE CODE OF THE REDUCTION FOR EXISTING TRAFFIC THAT IS ALREADY THERE. AND AS I SAID, BASICALLY, THAT IS THAT. I THOUGHT IT WOULD... JUST, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE. I TOOK MORE PICTURES THAN NORMAL. THIS IS SOUTH LOOKING AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION. THE CLEARED AWAY FOR THE "HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT SHOWS ON.
THAT THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH FROM THE PROPERTY INTO THAT AREA.
THIS IS TURNING AROUND. YOU ARE LOOKING NORTH AND TO THE INTERSECTION. AND SOUTH LOOKING TOWARDS THAT, FROM THE SOUTH, LOOKING CLOSER TO THAT INTERSECTION.
RIGHT UP AT THE INTERSECTION, THAT IS THE EAST PARCEL.
THAT IS PART OF THE AREA, BASICALLY THAT, HAS THE UPLAND UPLAND-PINE. THE WEST PARCEL, THAT IS ALSO THAT FORWARD PORTION OF THE NORTHERLY MOST PORTION OF THAT.
FROM THE INTERSECTION LOOKING WEST, THAT IS FROM THE INTERSECTION RIGHT AT THE... AT 13 SOUTH.
THAT IS LOOKING FARTHER AND IT KIND OF INCLUDED THAT, TOO.
YOU CAN SEE THE DITCH AREA THAT RUNS THROUGH WHICH IS SIX-MILE CREEK. SO...
THESE ARE JUST SOME PICTURES. I MENTIONED THERE IS A "FLAGLER REQUESTS ESTATES. COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THAT WHICH IS A CAMPGROUND.
IT RUNS ALONG 13. KIND OF COMES IN AT THE ENTRANCE
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TO FLAGLER ESTATES. THAT INCLUDES THE BUZZ MART WHICH HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS WHICH IS CONVENIENCE AND GAS.THAT IS THE ENTRANCEITTE. THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE IS A DOLLAR GENERAL AS WELL. IF YOU KIND OF... A SIMILAR TYPE OF THING WITH THAT. AND I ALSO DID THIS SLIDE, JUST TO SHOW SOME DISTANCES ALSO FOR THE TRAVELING PUBLIC.
I DIDN'T GO ALL THE WAY. FLAGLER ESTATES GOES INTO FLAGLER COUNTY AS WELL. I TOOK THOSE DIMENSIONS TO GIVE AN IDEA OF HOW FAR IT IS... YOU KNOW, TO GO TO THE DIFFERENT THINGS. DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU WERE GOING. FROM HASTINGS TO CRACKER SWAMP ROAD, IS 3.9 MILES. IT IS 3.7 IF YOU TOOK THE FLAGLER ESTATES BOULEVARD UP TO CRACKER SWAMP.
I'M SORRY. THAT IS BETWEEN THE TWO.
ON 13 SOUTH. AND THEN THE DISTANCES THAT IT WOULD TAKE IF YOU LIVED IN THIS SOUTHERN AREA OF FLAGLER DP ESSAYS THE. ESTATES.
THE CRACKER SWAMP WOULD BE CLOSER FOR THEM.
IT WOULD ALSO BE CLOSER IF THEY WERE HEADING IN THAT PARTICULAR DIRECTION. SO PERMITTED OF USES... I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE.
I HAVE A SLIDE IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM.
THERE IS THE RURAL-COMMERCIAL... BUT AS I SAID, THEY ARE LIMITED BY THAT CG-ZONING. SO THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THIS TO RURAL-COMMERCIAL. IT PROVIDES FOR RURAL-COMMERCIAL BUSINESS AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE.
AND IT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE GOALS, POLICIES, AND OBJECTIVES. PARTICULARLY, THE LAND USE ELEMENTS. AGAIN, THE ZONING WILL REMAIN COMMERCIAL-GENERAL. I HAVE NO DESIRE TO CHANGE.
THAT WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA AND IT WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
AND PARTICULARLY, IN REGARD TO THE FLAGLER ESTATES RESIDENTS.
SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DR. HILLSEN SPHWHEK.
>> WELL, I HAVE A COUPLE. DO THEY NEED TO REZONE BOTH PARCELS? THE WESTERN PARCEL IS WHAT THEY ARE REALLY PUTTING IT ON THERE. IS IT TO RESTONE IT SO THEY CAN PUT THE RETENTION POND ON THE EASTERN PARSEEL?
>> YES. THE ZONING IS COMMERCIAL ALREADY
>> BUT YES, IT HAS TO BE ON THE SAME... IN THE SAME ZONING
CATEGORY TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT. >> OKAY.
FOR THE POND. THE RETENTION POND.
SO I ALWAYS DO APPRECIATE YOUR PICTURES.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF GREAT PHOTOS. YOU ALWAYS DO WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL. I ASSUME YOU DIDN'T TAKE THOSE LAST WEEK BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT, I THINK, FLOODED OUT THERE.
I SAW THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING ON TUE TUESDAY, AND THEY HAD VIDEO, DRONE VIDEO NOT OF COUNTY ROAD 13 OR CRACKER SWAMP ROAD. BUT THEY DID HAVE EAST... EITHER EAST OR WEST STEEP CREEK ROAD. THAT WAS UNDER A COUPLE OF FEET OF WATER. THAT IS SOUTHEAST OF THIS.
>> TO THE SOUTH. >> I AM CONCERNED ABOUT FLOODING OUT THERE. THERE WILL BE NO COUNTY UTILITIES PROVIDED, SO IF THERE IS A GASOLINE LEAK OR SOMETHING, I WONDER HOW THAT... WHAT CONTINGENCY PLANS Y'ALL MIGHT
HAVE. >> AGAIN, IT GETS HIGHER AS YOU GET TO THE ROAD, AS YOU CAN KIND OF TELL FROM THAT ONE PICTURE.
>> YUP. >> YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE COMING
UP TO THE INTERSECTION. >> YUP.
>> SO BASICALLY, THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE...
THAT AREA IN THAT PARTICULAR... IF I GO OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE.
THAT AREA. THAT IS A LOT HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. WHEN CRACKER SWAMP TURNS INTO DEEP CREEK BOULEVARD. TO THAT, ALSO, THE REQUIREMENTS NOW FOR THE... ANY KIND OF GASOLINE STORAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT ARE MUCH MORE SOPHISTICATED THAN THEY USED TO BE.
>> TRUE. >> I WOULD GUESS THEY WOULD BE IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE THAN THE ONE THAT MAYBE IS AT BUZZ MART THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
>> OKAY. >> I DON'T SEE THAT AS A BIGGISH SHY US IF... BIG ISSUE FOR. THAT ALSO WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THE TANK TO BE THE CLOSEST TO THE ROAD, ACTUALLY.
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IT WOULD BE IN THE HIGHEST LOCATION.YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PUMP TO IT, THEN.
ABOUT THAT. YOU SAID IT WAS SIX MILE CREEK.
IT IS 16 MILE CREEK. >> OH, OKAY.
>> I WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT. ANYWAY, THAT IS SOUTH OF WHERE
THEY SPLIT. >> THE 16 MILE FORK.
>> I TOO WAS DOING THIS UNDER THE DURESS OF THE HURRICANE.
I RECOGNIZED A FEW MISTAKES. >> WELL, I DO AGREE THIS WOULD BE A BENEFIT FOR THOSE PEOPLE LIVING IN FLAGLER ESTATES THAT NEED SOME SERVICES OUT THERE. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS AT ALL.
I PLAN TO VOTE FOR IT. >> OKAY.
THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE
APPLICANT? >> I ASSUME THERE IS HAS BEEN NO STUDY DONE OF THE ECONOMIC JUSTIFICATION OF THIS?
>> NO. THAT IS WOULD BE... WESLEY AND HIS WIFE ARE PLANNING ON THIS FOR SALE TO SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WOULD DO THAT. THEY WOULD DO THAT TO PURCHASE IT. AGAIN, WHEN WE DO A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, WE ARE ASKED TO DO A GENERALIZED SITE PLAN... THE MOST TRIPS YOU COULD COME UP WITH TYPE OF THING.
THAT IS KIND OF WHERE THIS HAS COME FROM.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS?
>> WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER. MR. MCNORTHEASTERNY.
>> I HAVE NOTHING TO PUT DOWN FOR A GRAPHIC, BUT I AM ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. I MEAN, I THINK IT IS A WONDERFUL THING FOR AN UNDERSERVED FLAGLER ESTATES AREA. I WOULD LOVE TO SAVE EIGHT MILES ROUND-TRIP TO GO AT NIGHT FOR A QUART OF MILK, AND I DO SEE THIS AS A TREMENDOUS CONVENIENCE. ALSO SPEAKING IN ITS FAVOR, THERE IS A WAIVER IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, 6.0807-D WHICH SAYS THAT GASOLINE... UNDERGROUND GASOLINE STORAGE TANKS DO NOT HAVE TO BE MORE THAN 300 FEET.
IF THIS IS AN OPEN RURAL AREA. WHICH THIS IS.
I HAD WRITTEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO FDEP ABOUT... I THINK IT IS RACETRACK GAS STATION. MIGHT BE CIRCLE K THERE ON SAN SEBASTIAN RIVER MASTERS DRIVE. THAT WAS ALSO A FLOOD ZONE AE.
A CONCERN FOR FLOODING. THEIR RESPONSE WAS THAT THE TANKS WOULD HAVE TO MEET GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS, AND THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT I, THINK IS SOMETHING IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
YES. SOME CONCERNS ABOUT FLOOD ZONE, AE, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WETLAND MITIGATION.
THOSE WETLANDS ARE PROBABLY FRAGMENTED AT THIS POINT.
AND NOT REALLY SERVING IN A COHESIVE WAY.
I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. I HOPE YOU WILL VOTE TO APPROVE IT. I THINK IT REALLY HELPS OUR FLAGLER US STATES NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? ALL RIGHT.
MS. TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY REBUTTAL? NONE? OKAY.
WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.
[8. REZ 2022-14 Cracker Swamp Properties]
MS. PERKINS? >> RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2022-13 CRACKER SWAMP COMMERCIAL BASED UPON FOUR
>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.
THAT PASSES 5-0. MS. TAYLOR, YOU ARE UP NOW WITH
KAREN TAYLOR, 77... AND AGAIN, THAT IS REZONING.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT I WAS TALKING TO YOU ABOUT EARLIER AND THAT YOU HAVE SEEN IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, AND IT IS THE LOCATION.
IT IS IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY THAT YOU JUST LOOKED AT. AND THIS IS 88.06 ACRES.
IT IS PART OF THAT PINE TREE VILLAGE.
AND THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU THE RELATIONSHIP TO, AGAIN, FLAGLER ESTATES. TO THE FARMLANDS AROUND HERE AND THE CREEK AREA. AND AGAIN, THIS ONE IS EIGHT DIFFERENT PARCELS. AND MR. SMITH OWNS ALL OF THEM EXCEPT TWO PARCELS THAT WOULD BE DOWN IN THIS AREA.
THAT IS MR. PEARSON, WHO IS JOINING IN ON THIS APPLICATION.
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AND THEY WOULD STILL... THE WAY THAT THE CODE READS, EACH PARCEL HAS THE RIGHTS TO ONE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.THE LAND USE IS AGRICU AGRICULTURAL-INTENSIVE.
YOU CAN SEE THE VARIOUS ONES THAT WE WENT THROUGH.
ON THE OTHER AS WELL. AND THE ADJACENT.
FLAGLER ESTATES GETS INTO THE RURAL CULTURE.
AND PART OF THE RECREATION. PART DEEP CREEK.
THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU THE RG-2 ZONING.
IT SHOWS YOU THE AREA OF IT. THIS IS JUST FOR A RELATIONSHIP.
I'LL GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. AND AGAIN, THAT IS THAT PINE TREE VILLAGE. AND THOSE ARE THOSE CG PIECES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. AND ALL OF THIS OVER HERE, HE DOES NOT OWN. IT IS JUST THIS NARROW AREA.
SOME OF IT ACTUALLY ALSO HAS COMMERCIAL-GENERAL ZONING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE AS WELL AS THAT RG-2.
TAKE IT BACK TO O.R. AND AGAIN, KIND OF RELATION...
EVIDENTLY, I HAVE IT WRONG ON THIS ONE AS WELL.
WITH 16 MILE CREEK. AGRICULTURAL USE, AGAIN, I PUT THESE IN HERE IN CASE ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF USES THAT CAN GO ON IN THERE.
THIS IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL FOR THE ENTIRE SITE, INCLUDING THOSE COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS THESE. THERE IS SOME CLEARED... SOME IMPROVED PASTURE THAT MR. PEARSON HAS.
JUST A LITTLE CLOSER FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
I MENTIONED THAT WE WERE POSSIBLY TRYING TO RECONFIGURE THESE AS WELL. THAT RECONFIGURATION WAS TO MAKE MORE REASONABLE. IT IS BASICALLY FIVE PARCELS RIGHT NOW WHICH WE HAVE SHOWN IN THE RED AND THE TOP.
WE WOULD END UP WITH FIVE PARCELS IN THE SLIDE TO THE SOUTH. THAT IS BASICALLY SO NOBODY WOULD BE IMPACTING ANY OF THOSE WETLANDS.
THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO. THERE WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THEIR PARCELS. BUT THEY HAVE GOOD UPLANS.
THTHIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO QUP FLAGLER ESTATES ON WEST CREEK BOULEVARD. THIS IS GOING UP WEST CREEK NORTH. THERE IS A SIGN ON... WE HAVE QUITE A FEW SIGNS ALONG THERE. BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A LONG, LONG ROAD. SO THERE IS PROPERTY ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS PART OF THAT. THAT SHOWS YOU THE HOME AND THE BARN THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. MR. PEARSON HAS... AS YOU TAKE THE TURN AROUND... COMING AROUND THAT.
YOU GET TO CRACKER SWAMP ROAD. THAT IS THE INTERSECTION FOR THAT. YOU CAN SEE THE FARM FIELDS TO THE LEFT. ON THE... THIS PROPERTY IS ON THE EAST SIDE. THAT IS A NARROW PIECE OF PROPERTY. KIND OF GETS YOU UP TO THE AREA AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT THE AREA KIND OF LOOKS LIKE ON BOTH SIDES. AND THEN THAT IS THE ACCESS TO THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT, AND THAT KIND OF SEPARATES THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY FROM THIS. SO WE DO FEEL THIS IS ALSO VERY COMPATIBLE. ADJACENT LAND USES.
THEY ARE DEEMED COMPATIBLE. THERE ARE LOTS OF O.R. AROUND IT AS WELL. IT IS PRIMARILY FARM LANDS AND SOME LARGE RESIDENTIAL PARCELSFUL.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN, AND I THINK ALL OF THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE COMP PLAN.
AND IT REPLACES AN INAPPROPRIATE MULTIFAMILY USE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY WITH MORE APPROPRIATE AGRICULTURAL AND LOW-INTENSITY USES. YOU ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT 88 ACRES. YOU ARE TALKING SIX PARCELS.
ANYWAY, WE JUST WANT TO RETURN IT TO O.R. AND I ALSO REQUEST APPROVAL OF THIS. RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
>> ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO CLEAR UP? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
OF THE APPLICANT? >> I HAVE A COUPLE.
>> DR. HILSENBECK? >> OF COURSE.
SO RESIDENTIAL CAN ALREADY OCCUR WITH ALL THREE OF THE ZONINGS THAT IT IS UNDER RIGHT NOW? THE O.R., RG-2 AND
>> I READ THAT IN THERE. >> UNDER AI.
UNDER AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE, EACH PARCEL HAS A RIGHT FOR ONE.
ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU FARM OUT THERE WITH THE
CURRENT ZONINGS AT ALL? >> NO.
BUT IT HAS BEEN. AND IT IS BEING DONE.
MR. PEARSON HAD A SPECIAL USE GRANTED TO BE ABLE TO KEEP HORSES ON HIS PROPERTY. SO I MEAN, THAT IS ONE REASON HE JOINED IN, TOO. BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE FARMING IT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT IS NOT... YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IS NOT GOING TO
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ENFORCE THAT. AND IT CAN'T BE MULTIFAMILY UNLESS YOU DID A COMP AMENDMENT AND CHANGED THE LAND USE.>> THE FACT THAT IT WAS MULTIFAMILY WAS UNUSUAL, TO SAY THE LEAST OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN UNDERAPPRECIATED AREA OF THE COUNTY.
IT IS REALLY A PRETTY AREA OF THE COUNTY.
>> IT IS BUELL. >> IT IS UNDERSERVED.
MY MAIN CONCERN HERE IS THAT UNDER O.R., PUTTING IT UNDER O.R. AND I WANT YOU TO ALLAY THIS NOTION THAT I HAVE, IT IS PROBABLY CRAZY, BUT UNDER O.R., AS YOU SHOWED, YOU CAN DO MINING ACTIVITIES, AND YOU CAN DO, SAY, A WASTE... THOSE ARE WHAT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE O.R. ZONING CATEGORY.
>> RIGHT. THERE IS NO INTENTION WHATSOEVER TO DO ANY MINING OR EXTRACTION OUT THERE? BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF MINING IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY.
NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE. ACTUALLY.
NOT TOO FAR FROM THE CREEKMENT. >> I DON'T THINK THIS IS PROPERTY HAS ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE WORTH MINING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. BUT NO.
THERE IS NO PLAN. AGAIN, THEY ARE PLANNING ON SELLING THESE AS RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
>> OKAY. THEY HAVE ARRANGED FROM 6-25
ACRES. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT? ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS?
>> WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER. >> I APOLOGIZE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF 7 AND 8 WOULD BE TAKEN TOGETHER.
OFTENTIMES THEY ARE. I REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO SAY OTHER THAN I SUPPORT THE PRO PROJECT, AND I HOPE YOU WILL
VOTE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> ALL RIGHT.
MS. TAYLOR, I ASSUME YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD AT THIS POINT. OKAY.
WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.
[9. CPA(SS) 2022-12 8465 County Road 208]
>> THE MOTION PASSES 5-0. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE.
MR. CLAY. THIS IS A SMALL-SCALE LAND USE AMENDMENT. NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATION IS REQUIRED. ALTHOUGH IT SAYS IT IS.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SCOTT CLAY.
ST. AUGUSTINE. LIKE I SAID, MY NAME IS SCOTT CLAY. I'M REPRESENTING GERALD AND KATHLEEN MELTON WHO ARE REQUESTING AN APPROVAL OF A SMALL-SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION. THIS REQUEST SEEKS A SMALL-SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM RURAL-TO RESIDENTIAL-A.
THE SUBJECT PARSEEL IS CURRENTLY 1.2 ACRES THAT RUNS ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 208 EAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 13 AND 208. APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF ONE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE OF A 1.2-ACRE PARCEL.
THE LOCATION HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE 1.12-ACRE PARCEL LOCATED IN THE COMMUNITY ALONG COUNTY ROAD 208.
ZONING... CURRENTLY, ZONING IS OPEN RURAL.
THIS CURRENT ZONING IS SUFFICIENT FOR OUR NEEDS.
WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR REZONING. THE RURAL LAND USE REQUIRES 40 ACRES TO BUILD A HOME. WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A SINGLING RESIDENTIAL HO HOME TOE BUILT ON THIS PARCEL.
SINCE THE CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATION WILL NOT ALLOW REZ... A RESIDENCE ON LESS THAN 40 ACRES, IT CHANGES THE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY. ROLLOUT CONSTRUCTION FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ON THE PARCEL.
THIS SLIDE IS A PICTURE OF THE PARCEL.
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BEAUTIFUL WOODED PARCEL. 1.2 ACRES.THIS IS AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR A GROWING FAMILY TO LIVE AND PARENT CHILDREN. HERE IS A HOME...
HERE IS A HOME SITE THAT MIGHT FIT INTO THIS PARCEL.
THE PROPOSED SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ALREADY EXISTING LOW-DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ALONG KT COUNTY KT ROAD 208. THIS WOULD ACCOMMODATE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOMESTEAD LIKE SIMILAR HOMES FOUND IN THE EXISTING COMMUNITY. FINALLY, THIS PARCEL HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST AS FARMLAND. PHOTOS SHOW THIS PARCEL AS AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME SITE.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
AND CONSIDERATION OF THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT APPLICATION.
>> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE
APPLICANT? >> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I HAVE A COMMENT LATER. >> OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION, SIR.
>> YES. >> THIS IS REAL REQUEST TWO
>> THE HOUSE WILL BE BUILT ON THE WATERFRONT PIECE OR THE
OTHER PIECE? >> THE OTHER PIECE.
>> IS THE OTHER PIECE AN ACRE? >> THE OTHER PIECE IS .86.
THE WATER PARCEL PIECE IS .26. A TOTAL OF 1.12.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS? OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
I KNOW TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK FOR AN ACRE.
DOLL WE TYPICALLY LET SOMEBODY USE, YOU KNOW, TWO SEPARATE PARCELS THAT AREN'T ADJOINING TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT?
>> THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL IS ALL UNDER ONE PARCEL I.D. NUMBER.
AND SO YES, I BELIEVE THE WOULD BE DOABLE IN THIS CASE.
>> OKAY. BASED ON THE PARCEL I.D.
ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION, THEN. MS. PERKINS?
>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT SMALL-SCALE, 2022-12 AT 8465 COUNTY ROAD.
BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACT. >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
MS. PERKINS, IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.
>> SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK. YOU WANTED TO COMMENT?
>> THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS UPON LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS, IT CERTAINLY LOOKS LIKE IT IS IN A FLOOD PLANE AREA, THE ST. JOHNS RIVER. I KNOW THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO CODE STANDARDS, BUT I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD BUILD THIS HOUSE UP
[10. PUD 2022-14 Integra State Road 16 PUD]
CONSIDERABLY TO AVOID ANY FLOODING WHICH HAS BEEN OCCURRING OUT THERE ALONG THE ST. JOHNS RIVER, DUE TO HURRICANES, TROPICAL STORMS. MY ONLY COMMENT.>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES 5-0.
MS. ELLEN AVERY SMITH, WE ARE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TEN.
>> MR. MATOVINA, EX PARTE DISCLOSURE IS REQUIRED FOR THIS
>> YES. MS. SMITH CALLED ME AND LEFT A MESSAGE. I CALLED HER BACK AND LEFT HER A
MESSAGE. >> ELLEN AVERY SMITH CALLED ME.
I DID NOT RETURN THE CALL. >> ELLEN AVERY SMITH CALLED ME.
I DID NOT RETURN THE CALL. >> MRS. SMITH CALLED ME.
I SPOKE TO HER. I CALLED HER BACK AND LEFT A
AND MY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION IS THE SAME AS IT WAS FOR THE PRIOR ITEM THAT MS. SMITH HAD. WE HAD A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY
WELL, BEFORELY INTRODUCE FOR THE RECORD, ELLEN AVERY SMITH.
ST. AUGUSTINE. I'M GOING TO LET MR. MCDANIEL, THE APPLICANT HERE, HE WILL DO MOST OF THE TALKING HERE. HE WILL INTRODUCE HIMSELF AND TELL YOU HIS BACKGROUND IN JUST A MINUTE.
JUST BY WAY OF REMINDER, THIS BOARD ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION FOR THIS PROPERTY LESS THAN A YEAR AGO. IT WAS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION TO MIXED-USE DISTRICT, AND IT HAD A COMPANION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY THAT LIMITED DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY TO A MAXIMUM OF 300 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
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AND A MAXIMUM OF 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SPACE OF THE COMMUNITY-RELATED OR COMMUNITY SCALE TYPE.AND SO TODAY'S APPLICATION IS TO FILL IN THAT DETAIL, IF YOU WILL, WITH THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO I'M GOING TO LET MR. MCDANIEL TELL YOU HIS VISION.
THEN I'LL FILL IN WITH THE LAND USE INFORMATION.
WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION AND SCHOOL MITIGATION AS WE GO ALONG.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. DAVID MCDANIEL.
1525 INTERNATIONAL PARKWAY IN LAKE MARY, FLORIDA.
JUST A LITTLE INTRODUCTION ON THE LAND COMPANY.
PERSONALLY, I HAVE BEEN BUILDING MULTIFAMILY HOUSING FOR 35 YEARS. THE LAST 16 OR 17 YEARS HAS BEEN WITH INTEGRA LAND COMPANY. WE STARTED IN 2006.
OUR MAIN OFFICE HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN LAKE MARY.
WE HAVE EXPANDED OUT INTO A COUPLE OF OTHER STATES.
WE HAVE AN OFFICE IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA AND AN OFFICE IN DENVER, COLORADO. MOST OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS ARE IN THE SOUTHEAST. AND AGAIN, MOST OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY IN FLORIDA FROM JACKSONVILLE TO TAMPA AND THEN DOWN TO MELBOURNE. THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS SITE IS JUST NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF 95 AND STATE ROAD 16.
I THINK IT IS ABOUT A HALF MILE FROM THAT INTERSECTION.
WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS CURRENTLY UNDER IMPROVEMENTS BY FDOT TO ALLEVIATE SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT ARE THERE.
SO THIS IS... THIS WHOLE THING IS OUR PARCEL.
THIS IS THE PARCEL THAT WILL BE DEVELOPING WHERE THE STAR IS.
WE ARE ABOUT A QUARTER MILE FROM WHERE THE CURRENT FOUR-LANING OF 16 STOPS. AND AGAIN, A HALF MILE FROM STATE ROAD 16. ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS TO US IS OBVIOUSLY EMPLOYMENT. WE HAVE LAID OUT MOST OF THE MAJOR EMPLOYMENTS... EMPLOYERS IN AND AROUND THE ST. AUGUSTINE AREA THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY BE RESIDENTS AT OUR COMMUNITY.
THIS IS IMPORTANT PRIMARILY BECAUSE MOST OF THE ACCESS FROM OUR APARTMENTS, FROM HERE WILL BE DOWN TO THE 95 INTERCHANGE AND THEN GOING UP 95, UP THIS DIRECTION, OR OUT 16 TOWARDS ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH, OR OBVIOUSLY, SOUTH ON 95.
SO THAT IS MAIN TRAVEL QUART... CORRIDOR THAT WE FORESEE.
LIKE I SAID EARLIER, LAST YEAR, THIS BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION APPROVED A CHANGE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THIS PROPERTY TO MIXED-USE DISTRICT.
TO BLEND IN WITH ALL OF THE OTHER MIXED-USE DISTRICT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AROUND THE INTERCHANGE AT STATE ROAD 16 AND I-95. AND SO AGAIN, THAT HAD A POLICY THAT LIMITED DEVELOPMENT TO A MAXIMUM OF 300 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.
SINCE THAT TIME, MR. MCDAB YELL HAS COME ALONG.
WE HAVE ALSO INCLUDED THE ADJACENT TAD POLE DAY CARE CENTER. TAD POLE HAS ABOUT 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF DAY CARE CENTER OUT ON THIS LITTLE TIP THAT CONNECTS AT STATE ROAD 16. TAD POLE WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND.
EITHER TO ITS EXISTING BUILDING OR HAVE A DIFFERENT BUILDING.
IT WOULD NEED TO COME ON TO A PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY.
THE PUD IS LITERALLY FOR 300 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
ONLY 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE TAD POLE DAY CARE CENTER AS IT EXISTS.
THEN AS IT WILL BE EXPANDED. SO YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN IN YOUR PUDF THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAIVERS FOR TAD POLE.
BECAUSE IT EXISTED BEFORE THERE WERE REQUIREMENTS FOR SCENIC EDGE AND SETBACKS FROM STATE ROAD 16.
WE ARE JUST KIND OF GRANDFATHERING IN, IF YOU WILL, WITH WAIVERS FOR THE EXISTING BUILDING, THEN ALLOWING THEM TO EXPAND ON TO THEIR... ON TO THIS SITE THAT MR. MCDANIEL HAS.
AND SO JUST TO ZOOM YOU IN A LITTLE BIT, AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE TAD POLE HERE. HERE IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
PART OF THE IDEA, TOO, IS TO COMBINE THESE PROPERTIES TO HAVE ONE ACCESS POINT. SO YOU WILL HAVE TAD POLE DAY CARE HERE. YOU ENTER SITE.
IN ONE SPOT. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE CHECIAL HERE AND THEN YOU GO BACK INTO THE MULTI-FAMILY.
YOU WILL ALSO REMEMBER THAT WHEN WE WERE HERE FOR THE AMENDMENT APPLICATION, WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS CALLED PARK
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PLACE. RIGHT HERE.AND IT IS SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THERE WERE FIVE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT BACKED UP TO THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. AND SO THE RESIDENTS, YOU MAY RECALL, CAME AND SAID, THEY WERE OKAY WITH THE SITE PLAN.
THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE PRESERVED... THEY HAVE A 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE ON THEIR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
THIS PROJECT HAS A 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE ON ITS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE. THAT WAS 70 FEET.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE CLEARED.
NOW THIS... MR. MCDANIEL HAS GONE A STEP FURTHER.
HE IS NOT PLANNING ON DOING ANY DEVELOPMENT BACK IN THIS AREA.
HE IS GOING TO CONCENTRATE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS ONE PARCEL, LEAVING THIS IN ITS NATURAL CONDITION.
PERHAPS MAKING A LAKE FOR IF THEY NEED TO FILL THIS PART.
BUT CERTAINLY, NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THESE WETLANDS OR UPLAND AREAS. AND JUST KEEPING THIS PRETTY MUCH NATURAL FOR THE BENEFIT OF, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS RECREATION OR WHATEVER TO BENEFIT THE MULTIFAMILY.
AND SO YOU SEE THE SITE PLAN THAT HE IS PROPOSING UP ON TH THAT... I'LL CALL IT NORTHERN MOST PROPERTY.
YOU ALSO SEE THE ATLANTIC STORAGE FACILITY THAT IS ON STATE ROAD 16 RIGHT HERE. AND THEN YOU ALSO... I THINK THIS IS A CHURCH. I'M NOT POSITIVE.
YOU SEE AGAIN, THE COMMERCIAL... THIS IS A TRANSITION BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH AND EAST TO THE MULTIFAMILY AND THEN INTO SINGLE-FAMILY THAT WOULD INC INCLUDE, LIKE, PARK PLACE UP IN THAT AREA. THIS IS THE WETSTONE PROPERTY THAT HAS ITS OWN ZONING AS WELL. GOING TO PROPORTIONATE SHARE, BECAUSE... LET'S TALK ABOUT STATE ROAD 16.
THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF THIS PROJECT IS $1.6 MILLION.
ALMOST $1.7 MILLION. BY THE TIME YOU ADD THAT, PLUS THE ADDITIONAL ROAD IMPACT FEES THAT WILL BE DUE, THE TOTAL WILL BE ABOUT $2.2 MILLION FROM THIS PROJECT WHICH IS ENOUGH MONEY AS MR. MCDANIEL SAID, THIS PROPERTY IS ABOUT A QUARTER MILE FROM THE FOUR-LANE SECTION OF STATE ROAD 16.
THE IDEA WOULD HAVE... WOULD BE TO HAVE THIS PROJECT PAY FOR THE FOUR-LANING OF STATE ROAD 16 TO ITS JOINT ENTRANCE WITH TAD POLE. SO THAT SHOWS YOU THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE TABLE THAT IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
WE ALSO HAVE AN APPROVED SCHOOL CONCURRENCEY AGREEMENT.
HERE IS THE SCHOOL PROPORTIONATE SHARE.
THERE WILL BE IMPACT FEES THAT WILL BE DUE.
THE TREATMENT WAS APPROVED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD AND IS SCHEDULED FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ON NOVEMBER 15.
AND SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO MR. MCDANIEL.
>> THESE ARE A COUPLE OF QUICK DATA POINTS THAT WE HAVE PICKED UP AND HAVE BEEN UTILIZING. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE POPULATION GROWTH, AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF IT, ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS GROWN 43% IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.
THE MEDIAN INCOME IS OVER $80,000.
THE IMPORTANT ONE IS THE HOME OWNERSHIP AND THE RENTERS DOWN HERE. IT IS PREDOMINANTLY HOME OWNERS OF 81%. THEN THE RENTERS ARE 18.56%.
WE ARE HOPING TO FILL A VOID THAT WE BELIEVE IS IN THE MARKETPLACE WITH SOME MULTIFAMILY.
ONE OF THE REASONS WE FEEL THAT WAY IS THIS IS A CHART FOR HOME OWNERSHIP. IT IS THE MORTGAGE ITSELF, THE INSURANCE. AND THE OTHER COST OF OWNING AND RUNNING A HOME AND NOT TO MENTION THE DOWN PAYMENT OF ROUGHLY 15% OR 20%. WE FEEL THAT OUR RENTAL PROPERTY WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY AT A LOWER PRICE POINT. AS THE EARNINGS GROW, HOPEFULLY, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A HOUSE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. AND THEN WE DID INCLUDE SOME RENDERINGS. AND SOME PICTURES OF OUR PREVIOUS PROJECTS. YOU CAN SEE THE QUALITY WORK THAT WE TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER. SO THESE ARE FOUR-STORY BUILDINGS. THEY ARE ACCESSED THROUGH BREEZEWAYS. THEY ARE SERVICED BY ELEVATORS.
SO EVERY FLOOR CAN BE ACCESSIBLE BY HANDY CAP...
HANDICAP-ACCESSIBLE. THESE ARE SOME CURRENT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE FINISHED THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
THIS IS IN GAINESVILLE. 232 UNITS WE BUILT THERE.
THAT WAS NEAR THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.
IT HAS BEEN WELL-RECEIVED IN THE COMMUNITY.
INTEGRA DUNES IS A PROJECT JUST OUTSIDE THE LAND.
NOT TECHNICALLY IN THE CITY LIMITS.
A THREE-STORY AND FOUR-STORY PRODUCT.
AGAIN, WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE STETSON UNIVERSITY AND THE
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EMPLOYMENT... IT WAS SORT OF AN UNDERSERVED MARKET ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ORLANDO. THAT IS A LOT OF... A LOT OF TIMES, WE TRY TO TARGET AREAS THAT AREN'T IN THE CENTER OF ALL THE EMPLOYMENT INFRASTRUCTURE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY LIVE IN A DOWNTOWN AREA.AND THEN THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED RECENTLY UP IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
VERY DIFFICULT, VERY CHALLENGING PLACE TO BUILD.
IT IS OBVIOUSLY... YOU MENTIONED THE FLOOD ISSUES.
OUR FIRST FLOORS ARE, I THINK, TEN FEET.
THEY ARE ACTUALLY TEN FEET OFF GRADE.
WE HAVE A PARKING STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH.
ANY WATER THAT COMES UP, RISING WATER WOULD FLOW UNDER THE BUILDING. THE ARCHITECTURE IS VERY LOWCOUNTRY AND VERY IN KEEPING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND OUR MOST RECENT ONE WAS DONE IN LAKE MARY, FLORIDA.
SEMINOLE COUNTY. A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY.
ON 30 ACRES. WE DID 352 UNITS, I THINK IT WAS. AGAIN, IT IS NOW IN ACTIVE AND VIABLE COMMUNITIES. WE ARE EXCITED TO BRING THIS TYPE OF QUALITY INTO THE ST. AUGUSTINE AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY MARKET. AND HOPEFULLY, YOU GUYS WILL PROVIDE US A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
>> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DR. HILSENBECK?
>> YEAH, I HAVE SOME. SO THERE IS NO WORKFORCE HOUSING
COMPONENT OF THIS AT ALL? >> NOT SPECIFIC WORKFORCE HOUSING. I GUESS THE DEFINITIONS ARE ALL
OVER THE BOARD ON THAT. >> FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
>> THE DEFINITION FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
>> I DON'T KNOW THE DEFINITION OF WORKFORCE HOUSING.
>> WELL, THE DEFINITION IS THE ZONING DISTRICT.
THAT IS FOR SALE PRODUCT THAT HAS A MAXIMUM SALE PRICE OF $240,000. FOR APARTMENTS, WE TYPICALLY USE THE VERNACULAR OF WORKFORCE HOUSING TO MEAN NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. MEANING HUD, INCOME-QUALIFIED HOUSING. AND SO WITH RESPECT TO WORKFORCE, I MEAN, THIS IS DESIGNED TO... AS MR. MCDANIEL SAID, TO BE NEAR ST. AUGUSTINE, TO BE AT THAT INTERCHANGE OF STATE ROAD 16 AND I-95.
WHERE PEOPLE CAN EITHER GO INTO DOWNTOWN ST. AUGUSTINE TO WORK OR GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THE CASE MAY BE.
OR GO TO JACKSONVILLE OR EITHER SOUTH OR SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE
INTERSTATE FOR EASY ACCESS. >> RIGHT.
>> THAT IS WHY HE HAS CHOSEN THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
>> RIGHT. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME COMPARISON AT SOME POINT. NOT TODAY.
OF... AND I KNOW TO BUY A HOUSE, PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE A DOWN PAYMENT TYPICALLY. THAT IS A BARRIER TO HOME OWNERSHIP. BASED ON YOUR AVERAGE RENTS, WHAT YOU SHOWED THAT GRAPH OF WHAT YOUR RENTS ARE, VERSUS WHAT THAT WOULD BE ON A MORTGAGE FOR $240,000 OR SOMETHING, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AT SOME POINT. AND KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
BUT BASED ON RENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AT OTHER MEETINGS, ON SIMILAR TYPE OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES, I THINK THEY WOULD BE PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE TO EVEN.
IF NOT THE RENTS WOULD BE HIGHER.
I DON'T... I WOULD LIKE TO FIND THAT OUT.
>> DR. HILSENBECK, TO YOUR POINT, WHICH IS A GOOD ONE, I MEAN, THE RENTS IN THIS AREA, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO FEW
EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEXES... >> THERE ARE A LOT COMING.
>> YES. AND THE MORE THAT COME, THE MORE AFFORDABLE THE HOUSING BECOMES BECAUSE OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
>> I HEARD YOU SAY THAT AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING. AND SUPPLY AND DEMAND USUALLY DOES HOLD, BUT I'M NOT SURE HERE WITH ALL THE APARTMENTS FLOODING INTO... FLOODING INTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. LET ME ASK THIS.
YOU'VE GOT ONE ENTRANCE IN AND OUT FOR BOTH COMMERCIAL AND 300 UNITS. THIS BOARD A YEAR AND A HALF AGO TURNED DOWN, I THINK IT WAS A 20 SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 208.
NOW I KIND OF FEEL BAD ABOUT VOTING AGAINST THAT.
20 HOUSES. THEY HAD ONE... TO HAVE ONE EGRES FOR 300 UNITS. TO ME, SEEMS UNSAFE.
HOW ABOUT THAT? >> WELL, AND DR. HILSENBECK, WHEN WE, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION, ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE TECHNICAL STAFF OF THE COUNTY WAS... AND I MENTIONED TO YOU EARLIER, THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY TO THE EXISTING TAD POLE DAY CARE CENTER.
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>> YUP. >> ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS BECAUSE D.O.T. AND THE COUNTY DO NOT WANT STATE ROAD 16 TO BE LINED WITH MULTIPLE DRIVEWAYS, FOR SAFETY REASONS AND TRAFFIC FLOW REASONS. SO AT THAT TIME, THEY SAID OKAY, IF YOU ARE GOING... BECAUSE THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED. OF COURSE, IT WAS... THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT MAKING SURE THERE WAS ONE ACCESS JOINTLY BETWEEN THESE PROPERTIES. MR. MCDANIEL HAS GONE TO THE EFFORT OF BEATING THE PEOPLE FROM TAD POLE, GETTING THEM INTO THIS PUT THE... PUD TO PROVIDE ONEK A SET POINT.
>> YOU LOOK AT THE PUD TEXT, AND THE STAFFER WASSERRERRERRERRERRER VERY CLEAR, BECAUSE THIS PROJECT MAY GENERATE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TRIPS, IT WOULD TRIGGER A COLLECTOR ROAD. THIS PORTION OF THE ROAD MAY NEED TO BE CONSTRUCTED AS A COLLECTOR ROAD FOR THE REASONS YOU ARE STATING. IT COULD HAVE A RIGHT OUT, A LEFT OUT AND A RIGHT IN, IF YOU WILL.
THREE ACCESS OR LANES, IF YOU WILL.
AND THEN IT IS SEPARATED BY THE ROUND-ABOUT BEFORE YOU GO INTO THE MULTIFAMILY. THAT WAS THE RATIONAL FOR HAVING THE ONE ACCESS POINT. CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FOR A SAFETY REASON, THAT IS WHY HE HAS GONE TO THE EFFORT OF
INCLUDING TAD POLE. >> ONE THING TO ADD TO THAT, TOO. SO SHE IS RIGHT.
I MEAN, WE DID NOT WANT TO... WE DID NOT WANT TWO ACCESS POINTS ON STATE ROAD 16. THEY COME IN AND CUT OVER TO THE COMMERCIAL HERE. THIS ROUND-ABOUT IS REALLY A CIRCULATION ROUND-ABOUT. AND IT IS CONCEPT CHUL NOW.
WE MAY STAY FULL-CIRCLE. WE MAY MAKE AN ELLIPSE.
OR WHATEVER. WE WILL WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE CAN PUT AN ACCESS ROAD FRS FROM THE BACK OF THE PARKING LOT HERE UP TO THE ROUND-ABOUT OR IN SOME OTHER CONNECTION CONFIGURATION THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MAY SUGGEST TO US. SO THAT WE CAN COME OUT.
AND THEN G, WE CAN MAKE THIS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY OUT ON T TO... SO IF THIS ROAD IS BLOCKED FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE WILL BE ABLE TO COME OUT THROUGH AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD.
WE CAN ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.
BUT I THINK FROM A REGULAR DAY-TO-DAY USE, WE DON'T NEED IT. AND IT WOULD BE AN EMERGENCY
SITUATION. >> BOTH THOSE ANSWERS WERE ALL WELL AND GOOD. THE FACT REMAINS THERE IS A SINGLE ACCESS POINT OUT ON TO STATE ROAD 16.
AND I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING OUT OF THERE IN AN EMERGENCY, AND THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BE CLOGGED WITH CARS.
>> WELL, AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE... WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH RESPECT TO
THE NUMBER OF ACCESS POINTS. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
OKAY? LET'S DISCUSS THIS PARTICULAR MAP. THE ADVERSELY IMPACTED ROAD SEGMENTS. YOU DIDN'T SHOW THAT.
YOU ADDRESSED THE ROAD SEGMENTS. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE FOUR ADVERSELY IMPACTED AND DEFICIENT ROADWAY SEGMENTS RIGHT ALONG STATE ROAD 16. I KNOW YOU SAID YOUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AND SOME IMPACT FEES MIGHT PAY TO PUT A LANE DOWN TO THE LIGHT NEAR I-95.
MAYBE THEY WILL. MAYBE THEY WON'T.
BUT THE FACT REMAINS THAT UNDER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY, WE HAVE ADVERSELY IMPACTED ROADS THAT DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING.
IT IS GOING TO COST $55 MILLION, NEARLY $56 MILLION.
YOU HAVE A FAIR SHARE OF $1.7 WITH IMPACT FEES, IT MIGHT BE $2.2. THAT IS NOT EVEN TOUCHING THE PROBLEMS ON STATE ROAD 16. AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE DUMPING NEARLY 2,000 CARS A DAY ON TO STATE RAD 16.
IT WAS 1,998 TRIPS PER DAY ON TO STATE ROAD 16.
RIGHT AT ONE OF THE ABSOLUTELY WORST CONGESTED INTERSECTIONS AND AREAS OF OUR COUNTY. STATE ROAD 16 AND I-95.
I KNOW THERE IS SOME INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS GOING ON. IF THOSE REALLY WORK TO ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC OUT THERE, I WILL EAT MY HAT.
NOT THAT I OWN ONE. I WOULD EAT IT IF I DID.
I'M NO TRAFFIC ENGINEER. I HAVE BEEN STUCK IN THE TRAFFIC OUT THERE MANY TIMES. AND THE TRAFFIC IS HORRENDOUS.
YOU ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE OF THE WORST SECTIONS FOR TRAFFIC WITH A SINGLE ACCESS POINT.
PRIMARILY, FOR THAT REASON, I REALLY APPLAUD YOU, THOUGH, FOR KEEPING THAT GREEN SPACE TO THE NORTHWEST.
I MEAN, THAT IS GREAT. I REALLY THINK THAT IS A WONDERFUL PLAN. NOT TO TRY TO DEVELOP THAT.
I WAS AFRAID YOU WERE GOING TO TRY TO CROSS THAT WETLAN AND
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DEVELOP THAT VERY FAR NORTHWEST CORNER.>> DR. HILSENBECK, BEFORE WE CHANGE SUBJECTS, THOUGH, I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE TRANSPORTATION.
>> AGAIN, THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN... THIS IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION.
THIS PROPERTY ALREADY HAS MIXED-USE DISTRICT LAND USE.
SO NOW WE ARE TO THE REZONING. WHICH IS A COMPATIBILITY ANALYSIS. AND WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TABLE OF IMPACTED ROADWAY COMMITMENTS, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, CHAPTER 163.3180 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES PROVIDES WHAT I CALL A PAY-AND-GO SYSTEM.
IT IS LITERALLY A CON CURRENCY ANALYSIS.
IF YOU TRIGGER ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, WE WON'T GO INTO THE FACT THAT HE IS PAYING A PROPORTIONATE SHARE FOR ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY DEFICIENT. HE IS GOING TO PAY A SHARE FOR ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY DEFICIENT.
>> RIGHT. >> THE ANALYSIS THEN SAYS HE HAS TO PAY A PROPORTIONATE SHARE UNDER THE LAW.
>> RIGHT. >> WHICH HE IS WILLING TO DO.
>> RIGHT. >> ONCE HE IS WILLING TO PAY THE SHARE UNDER THE LAW, HE GETS TO CHECK HIS PROPORTIONATE SHARE CONCURRENCEY BOX. I MEAN, THAT IS WHAT THE LAW SAYS. MY POINT TO YOU ABOUT RAISING THE ISSUE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ROAD IMPACT FEES AND THE TRANSPORTATION PROPORTIONATE SHARE IS JUST TO POINT OUT, THAT THIS PROPERTY IS LITERALLY A QUARTER MILE OR SO AWAY FROM THE FOUR-LANE SECTION OF STATE ROAD 16.
AND AS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM OUR ENGINEERS AND THEY CAN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THIS, IF THEY WANT TO, OR IF YOU WANT THEM TO, BUT THAT MONEY IS ENOUGH TO BUILD... TWO MORE LANES OF STATE ROAD 16 TO THIS PROJECT SITE. SO THAT WOULD THEN BRING STATE ROAD 16 IN A FOUR-LANE CONFIGURATION FARTHER TO THE AND AS WE HAVE MENTIONED BEFORE, WE ALL KNOW THAT D.O.
ST. CURRENTLY, BECAUSE I DRIVE HERE ALL THE TIME, AND I REA REALLY... I MEAN, I GO TO COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN THE NORTHWEST ALL THE TIME. AND I GO RIGHT THROUGH HERE AT 5:30. I HAVE NEVER HAD TO WAIT FOR MORE THAN ONE TRAFFIC STIGGAL TO GET THROUGH THIS INTERCHANGE.
>> IT IS A MIRACLE. >> HOPEFULLY, D.O. ST. FIXING.
THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON IT NO. IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO. HOPEFULLY, THAT SOLVES THE PASS-THROUGH OF THE INTERCHANGE. THEN AGAIN, IF HE FUNDS OR CONSTRUCTS THAT FOUR-LANING OF THE STATE ROAD 16 TO HIS PROJECT, HASN'T HE PROVIDED A PUBLIC BENEFIT?
>> FOR PUD AGAIN. >> I'M NOT GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. NOT IN MY MIND.
I WILL SAY THAT. LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE FLORIDA STATUTE AND 16 # AND ALL OF THAT.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE COMP PLAN AND INVOKING OUR COMP PLAN.
BECAUSE THAT APPLIES ONLY TO COMP PLANS.
BUT THIS REFERS TO COMP PLANS, REZONINGS, ET CETERA.
AND I BELIEVE OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HAD WEIGHED IN ON THAT AT SOME POINT, THAT WITH THE REZONING,... I KNOW WE CAN'T CHALLENGE THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AND THE TRAFFIC GENERATED WITH THE A12.5C. WE CAN UNDER A1.11.
IT SAYS THAT IS YOU CAN... FOR THE PURPOSES OF REZONINGS, AND TRAFFIC CAPACITY, THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE STATUTE THAT MS. AVERY SMITH TALKS AB ABOUT, 163.3186... 3180 TALKS ABOUT IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO ENTER INTO PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT, THAT THE REZONING CANNOT BE DENIED ON THE BASIS OF TRAFFIC CAPACITY ISSUES.
>> THERE IS THE WORD YOU LEFT OUT.
>> THE OTHER ISSUE SUCH AS TRAFFIC SAFETY, COMPATIBILITY, DENSITY, BUILDING HEIGHTS, ALL THOSE OTHER FACTORS THAT GO INTO CONSIDERATION, CONSIDERING THE APPLICATION CAN BE POTENTIALLY THE BASIS FOR A DENIAL. BUT NOT SOLELY THE TRAFFIC
LET ME THROW THIS OUT, THEN. BECAUSE YOU LED RIGHT INTO IT.
THIS IS MY NEXT STATEMENT. ABOUT THIS.
IN TERMS OF COMPATIBILITY. 8.1.# 11.
THE HEIGHT OF BUILDINGS. DEVELOPMENT STANDARD
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>> IT SHOWS WHAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE.
PROPOSED TOWNHOMES. 35 PROPOSED APARTMENTS.
>> THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS COMPATIBLE. IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THAT, YOU HAVE THE DIRECTIONS GOING NORTHWEST.
35 FEET. THAT IS WHAT'S THERE AT THE BAPTIST CHURCH. NORTHWEST OF THERE, SINGLING-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 35 FEET.
IT IS PROPOSED COMMERCIAL SITE. THAT IS 65 FEET.
THAT IS ONE THING. >> ATLANTIC SELF-STORAGE RIGHT
MAY I CONTINUE SPEAKING, PLEASE? TO THE SOUTHWEST, YOU HAVE UNDEVELOPED PROPOSED COMMERCIAL SITE, 5 FEET.
TO THE SOUTH, UNDEVELOPED PROPOSED COMMERCIAL SITE.
35 FEET. TO THE SOUTH, COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST, ATLANTIC MINI STORAGE, 40 FEET.
I DON'T THINK 60 FEET IS COMPATIBLE OUT THERE.
I JUST DON'T. WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED LATELY AND BEING BROUGHT FORWARD TO US IN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONS ARE ALL OF A SUDDEN, ALL THESE 60-FOOT-TALL APARTMENT COMPLEXES. WHICH I THINK IS, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS STRICTLY MY OPINION, IS REALLY RUINING THE CHARACTER OF ST. AUGUSTINE. WE ARE A HISTORIC TOWN WITH A GREAT AMBIENCE AND ALL OF THAT. I JUST DON'T THINK 60-FOOT-TALL STRUCTURES THAT ARE CROPPING UP ALL OVER THE PLACE, INCLUDING FERBER THAT WAS APPROVED ON TUESDAY BY THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. I THINK THAT IS... I CAN'T EVEN
DESCRIBE WHAT I FEEL ABOUT IT. >> WELL, AND DR. HILSENBECK, TO GO TO THAT POINT, YOU HAVE THE OUTLET MALL OVER HERE THAT IS BEING TORN DOWN AND REPLACED WITH MULTIFAMILY THAT WILL BE THAT TALL. THIS IS AN INTERCHANGE OF AN INTERSTATE. I MEAN, THAT IS WHAT THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT IS FOR. DENSER DEVELOPMENT.
AND AGAIN, THIS WAS APPROVED AS A MIXED-USE DISTRICT LAND USE.
THEY ARE NOT DEVELOPING THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY ARE KEEPING THEIR DEVELOPMENT RIGHT HERE NEXT TO
ATLANTIC SELF-STORAGE. >> RIGHT.
I COMMENDED THEM ON THAT. I COMMENDED THEM ON THAT NORTHWESTERN PART. YES.
OKAY. I HAVE MY TWO OBJECTIONS.
THE TRAFFIC CONFERENCE ARE... THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS ARE OVERWHELMING TO ME. 300 MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN THERE, THAT IS WAY OFF THE CHARTS, IN MY OPINION.
SO I PERSONALLY CAN'T SUPPORT IT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON HERE TO TALK ABOUT. I THINK THAT IS ENOUGH.
I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. GREAT TO MEET YOU.
>> I ALSO HAVE A SAFETY CONCERN WITH THE SINGLE ACCESS.
I THINK I HAVE VOICED THIS BEFORE.
THAT IS IT. >> WELL, AND MR. PIERRE, IF I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE PLAN HAPPENS WHAT MR. MCDANIEL WAS TALKING ABOUT HERE. WE ARE, WE ARE HAPPY TO ADD INTO THE PUD TEXT THAT THIS CAN BEEN... CAN BE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS. IF THAT MAKES YOU MORE
COMFORTABLE. >> THAT WOULD HELP.
>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
IF YOU DEVELOP THE AREA TO THE NORTHWEST, I ASSUME YOU COULD BUILD THREE-STORY APARTMENTS. IS THAT CORRECT?
AND STILL GET YOUR 300 UNITS? >> NORTHWEST SIDE?
. >> IF YOU DEVELOP THAT UPLAND
THAT YOU ARE NOT PROPOSING... >> THE YELLOW PART UP THERE?
>> YEAH. I ASSUME YOU COULD DO THREE
STORIES IF YOU DID THAT. >> IF WE SPREAD IT OUT A LITTLE
BIT MORE, I SUPPOSE WE COULD. >> OKAY.
IN OTHER WORDS, BY CLUSTERING, YOU ARE PRESERVING THE
>> THE ACCESSIBILITY FOR MORE RESIDENTS THERE.
IF I HAVE THREE-STORY, THEY WON'T BE ELEVATORS.
THEY WILL BE WALK-UPS. HANDICAPPED PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE
ABLE TO ACCESS THE UPPER FLOORS. >> OKAY.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS?
>> WE HAVE TWO. >> I GOT THAT BOUND TODAY.
HOPEFULLY, THE PAGES WOULDN'T SLIDE AROUND AS I FLIPPED THEM.
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AND MY REVIEW TODAY IS BASED ON THE A-1311 AND AS DR. HILSENBECK AND THEY POINTED OUT CANNOT BE BASED SOLELY ON TRAFFIC.A1311 DOES SPEAK TO THAT. WHEN WE LOOK AT A1311 AND READ THAT SECTION, IT DOES SAY REZONING OR...
THE COUNTY SHOULD ENSURE COMPATIBILITY OF ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING LAND USES. THIS GOES FURTHER TO SAY THAT COMPATIBILITY IS DEPENDENT ON NUMEROUS CHARACTERISTICS.
HEIGHT, DENSITY, TRAFFIC, AND SAFETY IS IMPLIED IN THERE.
SURFACE WATER, MAY NOT NABS OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THOSE. SO STATE ROUTE 16, I EMPHASIZE TRAFFIC. THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT EMPHASIZES TRAFFIC AS WELL. NOT ONLY A DEFICIENT ROAD BUT AN ADVERSELY IMPACTED SEGMENT. THAT IS IMPORTANT.
VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE RECENTLY DENIED BOTH REZONING AND COMP HELPSICH PLAN...
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS. BOTH AMENDMENTS AND REZONINGS ALONG STATE ROUTE 16. FOR REASONS OF TRAFFIC DENSITY, SAFETY, AND SO IN MARCH, THE REZONING WAS DENIED.
STATE ROUTE 16 WAS DEFICIENT AND ADVERSELY AFFECTED.
ADLER CREEK WAS APPROVED. A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR. JUST AS WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE.
AND AGAIN, A MONTH AGO, THEY PRESENTED A ZONING, REZONING REQUEST TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
AND THAT WAS ALSO A REZONING THEN FINALLY, JUST TWO DAYS AGO, LAUREL POINT WAS DENIED AND LAUREL POINT IS ACTUALLY CLOSER TO THE OUTLET MALLS THAN IS THIS PROJECT RIGHT HERE.
AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE ROAD SYSTEM.
AND HERE IS THIS QUOTE. ON LAUREL POINT.
"I THINK IT WOULD GREATLY EXACERBATE THE PROBLEMS ON HIGHWAY 16. WE HAVE DISCUSSED AD INFINITUM.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO DENY THIS PROJECT." THE MOTION WAS DENIED. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE PZA.
WE ARE LOOKING AT A COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE DETERMINED A LOT FOR US ALREADY. YOUR VOTE TODAY NOT ONLY IS CONSISTENT WITH A1 # 11, BUT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER VIEWS AND DECI DECISIONS.
THREE DECISIONS WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, DENYING REZONINGS AND
COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. >> THANK YOU.
MR. LABANOWSKI? >> CHUCK LABANOWSKI.
1748 NORTH CAPERO. IT IS IMPORTANT WE KEEP IN MIND EXACTLY WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED.
AND AGAIN, IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP ALREADY.
LAUREL POINT, ADLER CREEK, A NUMBER HAVE BEEN DENIED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF 16 AND THE EFFECTS THAT PUTTING ANYTHING MORE ON 16 WILL HAVE. RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PLANNED COMMUNITY IS ONE THAT IS BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW.
IT IS GOING TO HOUSE APARTMENTS, HOMES, AND RETAIL.
RIGHT THERE ON 16. RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM. WITH TWO ACCESS POINTS ON 16.
SO WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO TO THAT WHOLE INTERSECTION? AND AGAIN, THAT IS A SINGLE ENTRY IN AND OUT.
WITH TWO OTHER DRIVEWAYS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, ON A ROAD THAT RIGHT NOW IS NOT GOING TO BE FIXED FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.
PER FDOT. I HAD A MEETING WITH FDOT IN REGARDS TO THAT AREA. FROM 95 ALL THE WAY OVER TO THIS AREA. IT IS NOT IN PLANNING ANYMORE.
YOU HAVE SEEN REPORTS COME THROUGH.
IT IS IN PLANNING. IT IS BEING PROPOSED.
NOTHING IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. FDOT HAS TAKEN THIS OVER TOTALLY. AFTER MEETING SEVERAL WEEKS AGO WITH FDOT, THEY ARE NOT EVEN GOING TO START DOING THE PLANNING ON THIS UNTIL NEXT YEAR, EARLY SUMMER.
THAT WILL TAKE ANOTHER FIVE YEARS BEFORE ANYTHING IS COMPLETED ON 16. WE CAN'T KEEP LOADING UP 16.
IT'S GOT TO STOP. YOU KNOW, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING. WE ARE STILL ARGUING RIGHT NOW WITH GRAND OAKS ON THE FUNDING FROM THERE.
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WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL COST NOW... YOU GOT THE COST THERE. $33 MILLION.IT IS NOT THAT ANYMORE. IT IS PROPOSED RIGHT NOW BY FDOT, IT IS GOING TO TAKE ALMOST $80 MILLION TO DO STATE ROAD 16 TO A FOUR-LANE. WE HAVE TO SLOW IT DOWN.
WE CAN'T KEEP LOADING UP 16 AND CREATING HEARTBURN AND HEADACHES ON THAT ROADWAY AND MAKING IT DANGEROUS FOR ALL THE CITIZENS THAT TRAVEL THAT ROAD. THANK YOU.
>> MS. SMITH, YOU WANT TO OFFER SOME REBUTTAL?
>> YES, SIR. IF YOU CAN PUT OUR POWER POINT BACK. OH.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO OUR MAP. BECAUSE I WANT TO... I APPRECIATE WHAT MR. LABANOWSKI AND MR. MCINERNEY JUST TALKED ABOUT. THIS PROPERTY IS MUCH CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROAD 16 AND I-95 THAN LAUREL POINT.
I THINK THAT THAT WAS A MISSTATEMENT BY MR. MCININERNEY PERHAPS. WITH RESPECT TO CAPACITY ON STATE ROAD 16 AND THE ELEVATION POINT PROJECT, YOU WILL RECALL THAT THIS PORTION OF STATE ROAD 16 IS FOUR LANES UNTIL YOU GET TO ABOUT THIS AREA. SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS LITERALLY TO FOUR-LANE THAT MUCH OF STATE ROAD 16 TO GET TO THE PROJECT. THAT SHOULD HELP THIS PROJECT AND ELEVATION. HOPEFULLY, ELEVATION HAS SOME CASH THAT IS PAID IN PROPORTIONATE SHARE THAT CAN HELP MAKE IT GO FARTHER. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING.
BUT I HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS... I MEAN, WE ARE NOT GOING INTO THIS BLINDLY.
WE ARE ALL AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON ON STATE ROAD 16, AND SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO TRY TO OFFER SOME KIND OF A COMPROMISE TO SAY OKAY, WE HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT ON ALREADY LAND USE PROPERTY. AND WE ARE BRINGING CASH TO ACTUALLY BUILD PART OF THE ROAD THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT.
SO WITH THAT, DO YOU WANT... WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING
IS. >> AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING IT AND REPPING APPROVAL FOR US.
... RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR US.
>> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS
FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I HAVE ONE.
WILL THE APARTMENTS BE GATED? >> THE PLAN WAS TO HAVE A GATE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE APARTMENTS.
>> AND DO YOU FREQUENTLY GATE YOUR APARTMENT COMPLEXES?
>> QUITE A BIT. NOT ALL THE TIME.
THERE HAS BEEN STIPULATION THAT SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, THEY WANTED IN A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY, THEY WANT DRIVE-THROUGH TRAFFIC. WE END UP PUTTING PEDESTRIAN GATES ON THE BREEZEWAYS. THERE IS NO VEHICULAR GATES.
BUT ON THE BREEZEWAYS, TO GIVE RESIDENTS A FEELING OF COMFORT.
WE HAVE DONE IT BOTH WAYS. >> IN YOUR GATED COMMUNITIES, I ASSUME THERE IS ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT, RIGHT?
NO OTHER QUESTIONS? WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MS. PERKINS?
>> FIRST OFF, I SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.
I THINK THAT IT IS IN A MIXED-USE AREA.
YOU ARE GOING FROM COMMERCIAL TO MULTIFAMILY AND IT IS ABUTTING SINGLE-FAMILIES. YOU ARE ADJACENT TO I-95.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS, DR. HILSENBECK ABOUT A 60-FOOT-TALL BUILDING. IF T THAT WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF, YOU KNOW, BEACHSIDE OR ANYWHERE ELSE, YOU KNOW, SOME PLACES IN THE COUNTY IS NOT APPROPRIATE. I THINK UP AGAINST I-95 AND IN THAT CORRIDOR, IT IS PERFECTLY OKAY.
AS FAR AS THE ADDITIONAL FIRE EXIT, I DON'T THINK IT IS A BAD IDEA TO ADD ONE. I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF MY MOTION FOR A CONDITION OF PUD.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WISHES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT.
THAT IS THEIR PREROGATIVE. SO MY MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD. 2022-14.
STATE ROAD 16 BASED UPON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS. IS THERE A SECOND IN?
>> SECOND. >> SECOND BY MR. WILSON.
>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO STATE IN RESPONSE TO WHAT MS. PERKINS SAID, THAT IN TERMS OF THE 60-FOOT BEING COMPATIBLE, 60-FOOT HEIGHT BEING COMPATIBLE BECAUSE IT IS BY I-95 AND IT IS IN A MIXED-USE AREA, I STILL DON'T THINK, BASED ON THE CHART THAT WAS IN THE APPLICATION, THAT HAVING A 60-FOOT HEIGHT
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STRUCTURE THERE IS COMPATIBLE. I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WHEN PEOPLE LOOK BACK IN 10-20 YEARS AT ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND WHAT IT IS LOOKING LIKE, AND THEY START THINKING WHO THE HECK APPROVED ALL OF THIS STUFF? I'M GOING TO BE PROUD TO HAVE STOOD AGAINST HAVING THAT. IN THIS COUNTY.SO I AM TOTALLY AGAINST CONNING TO UP THE HEIGHT... CONTINUING TO UP THE HEIGHT, 60 FEET, 60 FEET, 60 FEET.
YOU MENTIONED IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN SOME AREAS.
I DON'T THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE AT THE FERBER PARCEL ON FORT MILE ROAD AND STATE ROAD 16. BUT THAT DECISION WAS MADE WELL ABOVE MY PAY GRADE. IT IS NOTHING I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT. NOW, BUT YOU KNOW, ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE GATED COMMUNITY CONCEPT...
BUT WE HAVE TURNED DOWN PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAD ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT. AND GIVEN THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS ON STATE ROAD 16, THEY ARE AN ABOMINATION.
AND WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE ELEVATION DEVELOPMENT DIRECTLY ACROSS WHERE THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, THE INTEGRA DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL IS GOING TO EXIT ON TO STATE ROAD 16, YOU WILL HAVE THE ELEVATION POINT OR WHATEVER IT IS CALLED EXITING OUT THERE. ANOTHER HUGE DEVELOPMENT COMING ON TO STATE ROAD 16. WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO JUST DUMP THOUSANDS OF MORE CARS PER DAY ON TO STATE ROAD 16 AND HAVE A FEW INTERCHANGE OR INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AND HOPE T THAT SOE IT IS PROBLEM. AS CHUCK LABANOWSKI POINTED OUT.
YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOW AN $80 MILLION TAB TO FIX STATE ROAD 16. SO I JUST CANNOT SUPPORT THIS AT ALL. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO
SAY? >> I WOULD ADD IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING THIS, APPLICATION, WE WANT THE HOUSES WHERE PEOPLE LIVE TO BE NEAR THE SERVICES. PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH STATE ROAD 16 IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THE HOUSES ARE NOT NEAR THE SERVICES. THAT CLOGS UP THE ROAD.
THESE ARE NEAR THE SERVICES. THEY ARE NEAR THE HIGHWAY.
AND SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.
I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE ONE WAY IN OR ONE WAY OUT.
THAT BECOMES A FACTOR, I THINK, BABASED ON WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHEN THE CONNECTION POINT IS TO AN UNACCEPTABLE CONNECTION POINT. CASE IN POINT, THIS BOARD HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL TWICE OF THE SITE ON STATE ROAD 13 WHERE THEY WANT TO MAKE A CONNECTION FOR THEIR LEFT TURN OUT ON TO 13 ON TO A SUBDIVISION ROAD. ENTRANCE ROAD.
THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE. THAT DOESN'T WORK.
MAKING UP AN ENTRANCE ON TO A SIGNIFICANT STATE ROAD LIKE 16 IS WHERE WE WANT OUR ENTRANCES AND EXITS FOR THESE SORTS OF
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DEVELOPMENTS. I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE 60-FOOT TALL. THEY ARE CLUSTERING.THE DEVELOPMENT TO PRESERVE THE ENVIRONMENT.
WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE THAT. I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS.
WE READY TO REGISTER THE VOTE? ALL RIGHT.
THAT MOTION PASSES 4-1. OS DAY.
MOVINGEN TO ITEM NUMBER 11. MR. WHITEHOUSE? THIS IS A PUD. DOES ANYBODY HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE? ALL RIGHT.
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> YES, SIR.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN. AGENCY MEMBERS FOR THE RECORD.
JAMES WHITEHOUSE, ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP.
HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CATAPALY FAMILY.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR REZONING OF A PROPERTY FROM O.R. TO PUD.
IT IS IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR. ALL THE REZONINGS HAVE TO BE TO PUD. THIS IS THE LOCATION HERE.
YOU CAN SEE IT IS RIGHT NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF LONGLEAF PARKWAY, COUNTY ROAD 210 WEST AND 16-A.
AS I SAID, IT IS IN THE COMMUNITY-COMMERCIAL LAND USE CURRENTLY. AND IT IS ADJACENT TO THE OTHER COMMUNITY-COMMERCIAL RIGHT HERE AT THE INTERSECTION.
AS I SAID, AS WELL, IT IS IN OPEN RURAL.
RIGHT NEXT TO THE PUD. AND THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL SECTION OF THAT PUD ON BOTH AREAS HERE IN THE COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT IS RELATIVELY SMALL IN AREA.
ABOUT 7.1 ACRES. AND IT WAS JUST... THE LAND USE
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WAS JUST CHANGED RECENTLY BACK IN A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO TO COMMUNITY-COMMERCIAL. FINDING IT TO BE APPROPRIATE RIGHT NEXT TO THE OTHER COMMUNITY, COMMERCIAL AND PUD.THIS IS THE GRAND CREEK PUD. THESE ARE THE SECTIONS THAT ARE COMMERCIAL. THIS IS, AS I SAID, THIS IS THE AREA WHERE WE ARE REQUESTING REZONING TO THE PUD.
THIS AREA WHERE I HAVE PUD WRITTEN IS ALREADY COMMUNITY-COMMERCIAL. THIS AREA HERE IS COMMUNITY-COMMERCIAL ALSO. IN THE PUD.
THE GRAND CREEK PUD. AND THESE TWO AREAS ARE ALREADY LABELED TO BE COMMERCIAL AND THEY ARE PUD.
AS IS IN YOUR PACKET, THIS IS THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IN THE MAP PROPOSED. THIS WHOLE AREA HERE, I'M HOPING THAT THIS IS THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU GUYS FREQUENTLY ASK FOR. WHICH IS PRESERVE THE WETLANDS.
PLEASE PRESERVE THE WETLANS WHEN YOU DEVELOP PROPERTIES.
THIS PROPOSAL HAS NO WETLAND IMPACTS ANTICIPATED.
THEY ARE PRESERVING THE WHOLE AREA HERE.
THE DEVELOPMENT IS DOWN HERE. THE PROPOSAL IS FOR THE BACK TO BE... THE BOAT AND R.V. STORAGE BACK BEHIND THE COMMERCIAL...
THE COMMUNITY-COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN THE FRONT HERE.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPROVED IN APRIL OF '21, IT IS IN YOUR PACKET, APPROVED UP TO 84,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL. THESE TWO BUILDINGS.
THEY ARE EESM 8,000 WITH OPEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE.
THE BACK IS THE BOAT AND R.V. TECHNICALLY, UNDER THE CODE, THIS IS INCLUDED. BUT STILL THERE ARE ABOUT 60-SOMETHING,000 SQUARE FEET. AS WELL YOU, WILL SEE ON THE FRONT HERE, THEY ARE RESERVING RIGHT-OF-WAY ALONG COUNTY ROAD 210. THE STAFF REQUESTED THAT.
THEY MOVED THEIR PROJECT BACK. THIS WON'T BE... YOU KNOW, THIS WON'T BE ROADWAY RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW.
IT IS COMING UP TO MAJOR INTERSECTION.
AT SOME POINT, THIS MAY BE FOUR-LANED.
IT IS TWO-LANE CURRENTLY. THEY WILL MEET ALL THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS.
5 FEET MAXIMUM HEIGHT. 35 FEET MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
THEY HAVE ALL THE PARKING THEY ARE REQUESTING.
THERE IS ONE WAIVER INCLUDED WITHIN YOUR STAFF REPORT, AS YOU SAW. THAT IS JUST TO GO TO ALLOW GATED SECURITY FOR THE BOAT AND R.V. INSTEAD OF HAVING A MANNED OR WOMAN STAFFED SECURITY AT ALL TIME DURING OPERATING HOURS.
THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
ALL THE REST MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING OUT THERE.
THERE WAS ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT SHOWED UP.
IT WAS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO THE EAST.
AND HE WAS JUST INQUIRING AS TO WHAT WAS GOING ON.
HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS AS TO THE PROJECT.
WE GRABBED THE WHOLE PROJECT. ALSO, THERE WAS NO RESPONSES TO THE NOTICES SENT OUT. AGAIN, THEY ARE HERE TO ASK YOU TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PUD WHICH WILL ALLOW THE COMMUNITY-COMMERCIAL USES IN THIS COMMUNITY-COMMERCIAL LAND USE AREA OF THE COUNTY. IT MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES.
IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE KOCH HENCIVE PLAN.
IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
THE PLANNED AND PRESENT DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA, THE SIZE AND LOCATION OF THE LOT AND THE SURROUNDING PROPOSED USES, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.
>> DR. HILSENBECK? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
ON PAGE EIGHT OF THE APPLICATION UNDER THE CONDITIONS OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, TEXT, NUMBER FOUR.
IT STATED... LET ME PUT MY GLASSES ON FOR THIS.
IT SAYS "OUTDOOR LIKING SHALL BE DIRECTIONAL AND SHINE ON TO ADJACENT PROPERTY." DO YOU MEAN SHINE INTO THE
PROPERTY? >> INTO OUR PROPERTY, YES, SIR.
I'LL GO BACK AND FIX THAT. >> OKAY.
IT SAID "SHINE ON TO ADJACENT PROPERTY." I THOUGHT THAT WAS NOT WHAT YOU MEANT.
>> THAT MUST BE A MISTAKE, SIR. WE WILL CHANGE THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY SPEAKER CARDS? ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MS. PERKINS?
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>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD2022-15.
THE COMMUNITY-COMMERCIAL PUD BASED UPON NINE FINDINGS OF
WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS. A SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.
ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
THAT MOTION PASSES 5-0. AND SO LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM
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NUMBER 12. AND ARE YOU PRESENTING? NO. MR. DAVEN SNORT... DAVENPORT? MS. HAGEN? OR BOTH?>> GOOD AFTERNOON. GARY DAVENPORT, 212 SOUTH SHADOWWOOD, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.
I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT TODAY.
>> ONE SECOND, SIR. ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION?
>> THANK YOU. SORRY, MR. DAVENPORT.
>> ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE REPRESENTATIVES, PRINCIPLES WITH RISE HERE WITH ME IN THE BACK.
I WILL LET MS. CASEY AND... DO THE PRESENTATION AND I WILL STAY AROUND FOR QUESTIONS AND THE REBUTTAL.
>> THANK YOU, GARY. GOOD AFTERNOON, AGENCY MEMBERS.
FFOR THE RECORD, LINDSAY HGAA. ... HAGA.
THE PROJECT TEAM THAT WE HAVE IS WITH KT RISE, THE CONTRACT PURCHASER WHO OWNS THIS LAND. RISE IS HEADQUARTERED HERE IN JACKSONVILLE. AND THEY ARE A NATIONAL BUILDER WITH DECADES OF EXPERIENCE IN BRINGING MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS TO THE MARKET. MOST RECENTLY, YOU WILL SEE THEM DEVELOP ONE OF OUR LARGER MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND IN DUVAL. AND OTHER SINGLE SITES SIMILAR TO THIS WITHIN THE JACKSONVILLE MARKET.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON STATE ROAD 207.
USING OSCEOLA ROAD AS YOUR OTHER MARKER.
WE CAN SEE ITS PROXIMITY TO THE CITY.
YOU ARE ABOUT THREE MILES FROM HERE TO THE ICE PLANT RESTAURANT TO. GIVE A FRAME OF REFERENCE.
THE PROXIMITY TO THE CITY. AND THE DESTINATION THAT RESIDENTS WOULD ENJOY. THE STAFF REPORT GIVES US THE LARGER VIEW OF THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT ALONG STATE ROAD 207.
THIS IS A SCREEN SHOT THAT SHOWS US THE 34-ACRE PROPERTY.
IT IS A MAJORITY OF RESIDENTIAL D AS IN DELTA.
AND THIS IS MIXED-USE. HIGH INDUSTRIAL USES WOULD NOT BE PERSONALLED IN RESIDENTIAL D AS IS PERSONALLED IN THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT. OUR EXISTING ZONING MAP AGAIN, FOCUSING ON THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY, DESIGNATED OPEN RURAL.
THE SIMILAR USE. YOU HAVE OSCEOLA ELEMENTARY TO THE WEST. AND THEN THE STMPLET AUGUSTINE LITTLE LEAGUE FIELDS TO THE NORTH.
YOU SEE A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ALONG 207.
A COMMERCIAL-GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING. EAST OF THE PROPERTY WHICH WAS USED AS CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS. YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT UNDER THE AERIAL SITE. HERE WE HAVE PUT IN THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY RELL TOYE TRANSIT LINES.
WE SHOW THE BUS STOP LOCATIONS. ADJACENT ALONG HOMES.
THEN ON STATE ROAD 207, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT HERE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO LOCATE ANOTHER SITE THAT WOULD BE GENERALLY A QUARTER MILE, MAYBE AT THE INTERSECTION OF 312 AT THE CIRCLE K THAT YOU COULD SEE.
WE WOULD ENHANCE PROXIMITY TO A BUS STOP LOCATION RELATIVE TO THE SITE. NOW I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE CASEY TO WALK US THROUGH THE SITE PLAN.
>> KATIE DENDOR. THIS IS AN IMAGE OF YOUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SIMILAR TO THE BLACK AND WHITE PLAN YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN IN THE PACKET.
ON THIS PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE BUFFERS ALONG ALL PROPERTY LINES. OFF TEN-FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER SURROUNDING THE SITE. A 20-FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO LITTLE LEAGUE FIELDS AND A 30-FOOT BUFFER WITH VEGETATION BETWEEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST. AN OLD INDUSTRIAL SITE.
YOU HAVE YOUR PRESERVED WETLAND AREA ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE PUD REQUIRES THAT THERE IS A 10% PRESERVATION OF THE SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITY'S HABITAT.
YOU IDENTIFY THAT IN THE CENTRAL NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. AS WELL AS A PATH TO THE OSCEOLA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ACROSS THE ELEMENTSRY... ACROSS THE SCHOOL BOARD PROPERTY TO THE WEST. THAT WILL BE AN ELEVATED BOARDWALK WITH MINIMAL IMPACTS TO THE WETLANDS.
AND WE HAVE ALSO RECEIVED CONFIRMATION FROM THE SCHOOL THAT THEY WILL ALLOW AN EASEMENT TO GO ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY IN THIS GENERAL AREA. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS A PATH TO THE LITTLE LEAGUE FIELDS TO THE NORTH.
WE WILL CUT THROUGH OUR PROPERTY LINES TO AN EXISTING SIDEWALK IN THAT AREA. AS FAR AS ACCESS FROM THE ROADS ARE CONCERNED, THERE WILL BE ONE ACCESS FROM STATE ROAD 207 WHICH WILL BE SUBJECT TO PERMITTING BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
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TRANSPORTATION AS WELL AS AN ACCESS FROM OSCEOLA ELEMENTARY ROAD WHICH WOULD HAVE A TAPER LANE FOR SLOWING DOWN TRAFFICAND THEN TURNING INTO THAT SITE. >> ON THIS NEXT SITE HERE, YOU CAN SIDEFY THAT THERE IS A RENDERING THAT IS KIND OF INPUT TOGETHER BY THE ASSOCIATES. THE ARCHITECT FOR THE CLIENT.
WITH THAT, THERE IS COURTYARDS BETWEEN EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDING AREAS. THAT IS ALSO PARK AREA THAT WOULD BE UTILIZED BY THE RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY.
YOU CAN IDENTIFY YOUR SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITY'S HABITAT AREA THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE STORMWATER POND WHICH ALSO HAS A NICE WALKING TRAIL TO ACTIVATE THAT POND AND CONNECTION TO THE CLUBHOUSE FACILITIES.
ON THIS PLAN, YOU CAN ALSO IDENTIFY THE LOCATION, THE APRONG MAT APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THE SCHOOL. THEN WE WOULD ALSO ADD THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THE SIDEWALK UP TOWARDS THE LITTLE LEAGUE FIELD AS WELL. YOU WILL IDENTIFY THAT EXPENSIVE BUFFERING IN PRESERVATION OF THE AREA.
THERE IS ONE WAIVER. EXCUSE ME.
ONE WAIVER TO THE PUD TO ALLOW A BUBBLE PLAN FOR THE MAP.
THAT IS BECAUSE AT THIS TIME, THIS SITE PLAN HAS NOT BEEN NAILED DOWN. WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT.
IF THIS PUD IS APPROVED, WHEN THIS IS APPROVED, FOLLOWING T THAT, AN INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP SUBMITTAL WILL BE PROVIDED TO YOUR STAFF TO REVIEW AT GROWTH MANAGEMENT WHICH WOULD HAVE ALL DETAILS, YOUR BUFFERS, YOUR BIDDING LOCATIONS, YOUR BUILDING HEIGHT SETBACKS, ET CETERA.
THERE ARE SUFFICIENT CAPACITY ON ALL LINKS ADJACENT WITHIN THE FOUR-MILE RADIUS OF THIS PROPERTY.
THERE IS NO MITT DWAITION... MITIGATION REQUIRED FOR TRAFFIC.
ALL SUFFICIENT IMPACT FEES WILL BE PAID AS REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE SITE PLAN IMPROVEMENTS, WE DID MEET WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. AND THERE WAS NO INDICATION OF A SIGNALIZATION AT THE INTERSECTION OF OSCEOLA ELEMENTARY ROAD AND 207 AS WELL AS WE HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF AND WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF ON SITE ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS FROM OSCEOLA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ROAD WITH THAT TAMER ROADWAY.
THIS APPLICATION WILL GO TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON NOVEMBER 1. WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR
TO ANY QUESTIONS. >> QUESTIONS?
DR. HILSENBECK? >> I DO HAVE A FEW.
SO FLAGLER COLLEGE IS THE OWNER OF THE SITE CURRENTLY?
>> YES. FLAGLER COLLEGE IS THE OWNER.
AND THEY ARE... WE ARE TOLD THAT THEY ARE RESELLING THIS IN ORDER TO CAPITALIZE SOME DORMITORY SPACE THAT THEY DESPERATELY
THIS IS NOT INTENDED AS STUDENT HOUSING?
SURPRISED THEY ARE SELLING THAT WITH THE SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITIES OUT THERE. THAT IS MY OPINION.
SO LET ME ASK THIS. IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT HERE, AGAIN, IN THIS TABLE, Y'ALL HAD FIGURE TWO, COMPATIBILITY ANALYSIS. YOUR YOU ARE PROPOSING 60-FOOT-TALL BUILDINGS. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. NEXT TO INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY, NEXT TO THE SCHOOL WHICH WE HAVE TALKED TO THE SCHOOL PLANNER.
>> RIGHT. >> SHE HAD NO OBJECTION
WHATSOEVER. >> HOW TALL ARE THOSE STRUCTURES? I SEE 35 FEET, 35 FEET.
>> IT IS A ONE-STORY SCHOOL. >> NOTHING APPROACHING 60 FEET IN THIS AREA. TO MS. PERKINS, ON ITEM NUMBER TEN, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NOTHING ELSE NEAR THIS AREA THAT IS 60 FEET TALL. I'M JUST STUNNED.
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A 60-FOOT-TALL STRUCTURE BEING PROPOSED IN AN AREA WHERE THERE IS NOTHING LIKE IT AROUND THERE.
I DON'T SEE THIS AS COMPATIBLE. I KNOW THERE IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BEHIND OSCEOLA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS RIGHT ON TO OSCEOLA ELEMENTARY
ROAD. >> IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT.
I JUST HEARD FROM MR. HARDEN, ALSO AN ATTORNEY FOR THIS PROJECT. IT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT AT 60 BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW THEY WERE GOING TO... YOU KNOW, HOW IT WAS GOING TO SPREAD OUT IN DENSITY THAT, KIND OF THING.
BUT THE DEVELOPERS JUST AGREED TO LIMIT THAT TO 45.
>> WE WILL AMEND THAT TO 45. >> THAT IS CERTAINLY BETTER.
WILL THE ME ASK THIS. I HAVE BEEN ON THAT ROAD SEVERAL TIMES. GOING UP TO THE SALOMON CALHOUN CENTER. WHERE YOU HAVE INGRES AND EGRES ON TO OSCEOLA ELEMENTARY ROAD. THAT IS ALMOST A BLIND CURVE
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>> THAT IS NEARLY A BLIND CURVE. AN S CURVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE PHOTOS OF IT.
I HAVE BEEN ON IT MANY TIMES. NOT MANY.
SEVERAL. AND THAT IS NEARLY A BLIND CURVE. I HAVE SEEN CHILDREN RIDING THEIR BIKES TO SCHOOL. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE
COMING OUT, I ALL. >> SIMON: ASEUM COMING OUT... I ASSUME THEY ARE GOING TO BE TURNING LEFT TO GET DOWN TO 2007. I'M GLAD YOU HAVE TWO ENTRANCES.
BUT THAT IS VERY DANGEROUS CU CURVE, IN MY OPINION, AND YOU ARE TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR THE SAFETY OF ELEMENTARY SCH SCHOOLCHILDREN RIDING THEIR BIKES, WALKING ALONG THAT ROAD, WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO PULL OUT ON A NEAR BLIND CURVE.
TO ME, IT IS NOT A GOOD PLAN. AT ALL.
>> WE ANTICIPATED THAT BEING A CONCERN FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD.
THAT IS WHY WE HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THEM ALREADY.
AND THEY HAVE GONE OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT THEIR OWN TRAFFIC.
THEIR PSA THAT THEY HAVE DURING PEAK HOURS THAT THEY PUT AT THE INTERSECTION THERE, AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY A CROSSWALK.
FARTHER. JUST WHERE KIND OF THE GREEN AREA GOES IN. THERE IS AN EXISTING CROSSWALK THERE THT IS SIGNALIZED. THEY HAVE NO CONCERN FOR THEIR OWN CHILDREN ON THAT. EXCEPT THAT THEY DID... THE COUNTY DID ASK US TO PUT A TAPER IN THERE.
SO THAT CARS WOULD GET OUT OF THE ROAD.
A TAPER LANE. NOT A FULL TURN LANE.
THE COUNTY IS SAYING WE NEED A TAPER LANE.
>> I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT TERM BEFORE.
IT IS BASICALLY A SMALL TRIANGLE THAT GETS YOU OFF THE ROAD INTO YOUR PROJECT. THE PRIMARY, THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE THE 2007.
IT WILL DESIGNED... IT WILL BE DESIGNED.
>> IF I LIVED THERE, THAT IS PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD TRY FOR.
YUP. I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE GRANTING A WAIVER FOR INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
I DON'T LIKE THAT APPROACH. I DON'T THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT TO BE APPROVED, REVIEWED AND APPROVED LATER. YOU KNOW, THIS SEEMS PREMATURE TO ME, IF YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT.
IN TERMS OF YOUR TRAFFIC, FOR EXAMPLE, I SAW SOMEWHERE IN THERE THAT BASED ON 204 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, IT WAS GOING TO GENERATE AN EVIDENCE MATED 1,800 DAILY TRIPS.
THAT IS NOT THE 272. SO WHAT WOULD THE 272 GENERATE? AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO LIMIT YOUR HEIGHT NOW TO 45 FEET, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT, HOW MANY UNITS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
LOWERING THE HEIGHT 15 FEET? >> YES, SIR.
>> AND SO YOU LOWER THAT. HOW MANY TRIPS DO YOU THINK THAT WILL GENERATE PER DAY? DO YOU ALL KNOW? I KNOW THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH 207 IN TERMS OF BEING ADVERSELY IMPACTED. BUT...
>> YES. >> THE TRIPS WOULD NOT BE ADJUSTED BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
THE 272 UNITS. THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW BY STAFF AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION IMPACT ANALYSIS.
TO WHICH THEY DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THE COMMUNITY OR ON THESE LANES.
THAT THERE IS NO MITIGATION REQUIRED.
SO THE TRIPS JUST BY DECREASING THE UNIT HEIGHT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE NUMBER OF UNITS. AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED WILL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE SAME NUMBER OF TRIPS REVIEWED BY STAFFER.
>> GOOD INFORMATION. THAT WASN'T EXACTLY MY QUESTION.
MY QUESTION WAS IN THE APPLICATION, IT STATED THE NUMBER OF TRIPS FOR 204 APARTMENTS.
>> YUP. DR. HILSENBECK IS READING OFF OF
PAGE 11 OF THE STAFF REPORT. >> I'M READING ON A PAD THAT I
WROTE THIS DOWN ON. >> OUR REQUEST IS FOR 272 LOW-RISE UNITS. THAT HAS BEEN EVALUATED BY THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. FOR THAT, THE GROSS TRIP... IN OUR RECORD WOULD BE OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT.
>> OKAY. >> IN THAT, IS WHAT CASEY WAS EXPLAINING. IT IS 272 IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEFICIENT LINKS OR IMPACTING DEVELOPMENT.
YOU SEE THE PEAK HOURS. >> WHAT I READ, IT WAS FOR 204.
YOU ARE READING OUT OF THE STAFF REPORT.
>> THAT IS THE ONLY THING I GET. THE STAFF REPORT.
THE TAKE-AWAY IS WITH THE 272 UNITS WHICH IS THE REQUEST, WE
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DO NOT IMPACT ANY OF THE SECONDMENTS ADVERSELY OR CAUSE DEFICIENT LINKS. CORRECT.>> I DEFINITELY KNOW THAT. >> SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC, IF I COULD MAKE ONE POINT.
AS YOU SAID, 207 IS NOT A PROBLEM ON THE BOOKS.
THAT IS MY DAILY COMMUTE. >> YES.
>> THE ONLY PART FOR THE COMMUTERS THAT IS AGGRAVATING 207 IS 312 TO THE BOULEVARD. THAT PORTION OF 312 EXTENSION IS
UNDER CONSTRUCTION, ACTUALLY. >> CORRECT.
>> THAT LITTLE ISSUE THERE WILL BE RESOLVED SHORTLY.
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? >> I DO NEED TO DECLARE SOME EX PARTE COMMUNICATION. I HAD A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH PAUL HARDEN. I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT, QUITE FRANKLY. HE CALLED AND ASKED... TOLD ME ABOUT THE APPLICATION. JUST EXPLAINING THE DETAILS OF IT TO ME YESTERDAY. SO ANYWAY, ALL RIGHT.
LET'S MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> DR. TOM HAWAT.
>> HOLD ON ONE SECOND. STAFF, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING?
SORRY. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I HAD A QUESTION. LINDSEY, STAFF HAD A COMMENT IN THERE JUST A INDICATING ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE EAST, THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS GOING TO BE A AN INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE.
>> YES. >> AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS SOME CLEARANCE SHEETS IN FOR GUNITE.
IT IS TRUCKS COMING IN. MAYBE A LITTLE PLAN.
OR... THE TRUCKS WILL GET FILLED UP AND TAKE OFF.
THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR. THAT IS INDUSTRIAL.
THAT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT THAT IS ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.
MY QUESTION WOULD BE... IF I MISSED IT I'M SORRY, THE MDP MAP DOESN'T HAVE THE DETAILS. I'M THINKING OF... YOU KNOW, PROXIMITY TO THIS. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY ARE GOING TO EXPAND. CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON WHERE MAYBE THESE HOMES WOULD BE?
>> YES. SO WE HAD PULLED... NOT THE RECENT RECORD BY... WE HAVE CODE-COMPLIANT BUFFERS ALONG THAT EDGE. WE HAD ANTICIPATED THAT IF THAT USE REACTIVATES, WE WOULD HAVE THAT AREA.
WE... DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW CLOSE IT WOULD BE STILL, THOUGH, TO THAT EASTERN EDGE AT THIS POINT?
>> OF THE OFF-SITE PROPERTY? >> YES.
LET'S SAY THE BUILDINGS. >> NO.
I HAVEN'T PULLED A RECENT PERMIT.
I WAS GOING OFF OF AERIAL. THE PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE, PULLING 30 FOOT C. THAT IS ON OUR...
>> OKAY. >> DIDN'T WE HAVE A TOWNHOME
PLAN THAT YOU SHOWED US EARLIER? >> YES. WE COULD SEE OUR TEXT HERE. THAT WE HAVE A 30-FOOT DISTANCE.
THEN YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL DISTANCE.
I WOULD SAY ABOUT 20, 15 FEET TO THE ACTUAL STRUCTURES.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR QUESTION IS ABOUT HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE CONTEXT OF THE OFF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND THE
SETBACK. >> THAT IS MY QUESTION.
AGAIN, THIS ISN'T SET IN STONE. THIS COULD CHANGE.
YOU KNOW, STAFF HAD SOME CONCERN TO THE EAST SIDE.
BUFFERS ARE GOOD. AND THEY ARE THERE.
>> CORRECT. >> BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND SOMETIMES USE CAN CHANGE, AS WE ALL KNOW. AND GET INTENSE.
>> CORRECT. WHAT WE DID DO IS SHOW THE 30-FOOT SETBACK AND THE C STANDARD BOTH IN THE PUD TEXT AND ON THE MAP IN YOUR PACKET. THANK YOU, CASEY.
RIGHT IN THAT AREA. WHILE THE INTERNALS OF THE
STRUCTURE... WE DO HAVE THAT. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WORKFORCE HOUSING ASSOCIATED
THIS IS NOT ONE YOUR... ONE OF YOUR SUBSIDIZED PROGRAMS.
>> OKAY. SEEMS LIKE A PERFECT PLACE FOR IT. KAREN TAYLOR REPRESENTED SOMEBODY JUST UP THE ROAD FROM THIS A COUPLE OVER MONTHS AGO.
THEY WERE HAVING WORKFORCE HOUSING AS A COMPONENT.
I WISH YOU WERE HAVING THAT. AND I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT YOUR... YOU ARE IMPACTING NEARLY FIVE ACRES OF WETLANDS THAT I WISH YOU WERE NOT. SO... BUT THAT IS A NEGATIVE IN MY VIEW. THANK YOU.
>> OKAY. NOW, HOW ABOUT FB WE GO TO
PUBLIC SPEAKING NOW? >> DOCTOR?
>> THE OWNER OF 1680... THE TRIANGLE-SHAPED PROPERTY.
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WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THE ACCESS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY. HOW IT WILL IMPACT THIS MEDICAL FACILITY. ALSO, ABOUT THE BUFERG ZONE...BUFFERING ZONE THAT THEY SHOWED ON THE PLAN.
35 FEET ON OSCEOLA ROAD. NOTHING ON THE PROPERTY.
IT IS A MEDICAL FACILITY. AND THEN WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FLOOD PLAN. THE TRAFFIC.
AND THE NOISE. SCWHREN RATED WE THIS PLAN.
... GENERATED BY THIS PLAN. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CLARIFICATION ABOUT THOSE ISSUES.
>> 1005, BLACKBERRY LANE, ST. JOHNS.
WHEN I THINK OF MULTIFAMILY, I THINK OF COMMUNITY.
I THINK OF SCHOOLS. I THINK OF PARKS.
AND I CAME HERE TODAY, 75% CONVINCED THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR ANYTHING BETTER THAN THIS PROJECT NEXT TO A SCHOOL AND NEXT TO A PARK. I CAME HERE PREPARED TO SAY THAT. I'M FEELING LESS CERTAIN NOW HAVING SEEN THE PRESENTATION. I CAN TELL YOU THAT LIKE DR. HILSENBECK, I TOO WAS CONCERNED THAT 75% OKAY BUT 25% OF THAT WAS THE INDETERMINANT PLAN... SORRY.
I'M NOT USING THE CORRECT TERM. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PLAN THAT WE SAW TODAY IS NOT THE PLAN THAT WILL MOVE FORWARD.
THOSE ARE NOT 45-FOOT-HIGH INTILDINGS.
I WOULD HAVE TO BE CONVINCED THAT THEY ARE.
AND I AM NOT... THIS IS, AFTER ALL, A PLANNING AGENTSY.
A PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH NOT REVIEWING A PLAN. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS MOVING FORWARD. WE HAVE NO IDEA.
WE ARE NEXT TO A SCHOOL. GREAT SCHOOL.
THERE HAVE BEEN TRAFFIC CONCERNS OR SAFETY CONCERNS RAISED ABOUT SCHOOLKIDS. WE HAVE NO ANSWERS TO THAT.
YOU HAVE NO ANSWERS TO THAT. INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS DON'T DO THAT. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THIS APPLICANT ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE TO A TIME CERTAIN OR UNCERTAIN THAT THEY BRING BACK TO YOU A PLAN THAT YOU CAN REALLY REVIEW THAT YOU CAN ASK YOUR QUESTIONS AND BECAUSE IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, IT IS UP TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO CHECK THE BOXES THAT THE ROADS AND SIDEWALKS MEET THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT THE KIDS ARE NOT SAFE AS THEY SHOULD BE PERHAPS. I JUST HAVE SOME STRONG CON CONCERNS. I'M 35% CONVINCED THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT PROJECT. I LOVE THAT IT IS NEXT TO SCHOOLS. I LOVE THAT IT IS NEXT TO THE PARK. THIS IS FANTASTIC.
WE NEVER SEE THAT FOR OUR MULTIFAMILY PROPOSALS THAT COME FORWARD. YOU KNOW, HEY, WE ARE FIVE MILES FROM A PARK. THIS IS FANTASTIC.
BUT I AM NOW 65%, 65% AGAINST WHAT WE HAVE SEEN TODAY.
I KNOW IT IS NOT UP TO YOU TO ASK THE APPLICANT FOR A CONTINUANCE. IT IS UP TO THEM.
I'M TELLING YOU THAT THE PLAN THAT THEY HAVE SHOWN TODAY IS NOT THE PLAN THAT WILL BE BUILT. I WOULD HAVE TO BE CONVINCED THAT IT IS. I'M NOT CONVINCED.
I'M A RETIRED ARCHITECT. THOSE ARE NOT 45-FOOT-TALL BUILDINGS. THAT IS A HUGE HI DENSE, HUGELY DENSE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. HUGELY DENSE.
I HAVE CONCERNS. I HOPE YOU WILL DENY IT.
IF THE APPLICANT DOES NOT ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE.
WIWOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO OFFER REBUTTAL?
>> THE OUR FIRST PUBLIC SPEAKER, THE MEDICAL OFFICE, YES.
WEST WE HAVE... WE HAVE AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY LOCATION HERE ON OSCEOLA ELEMENTARY, AND THE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING STAFF ARE WORKING WITH US TO MAKE SURE THAT CONNECTION... THAT IS WHERE WE WOULD SHOW IN THAT TAPER LANE.
SO WE GIVE CONTEXT TO WHERE THERE IS ACCESS TO THE MEDICAL OFFICE. ALSO YOU WILL SEE ON OUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE HAVE THAT TEN-FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER WHICH IS A CO-... CODE COMPLIANCE BETWEEN THESE TYPES OF USES WHEN WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY. AT THIS STAGE, WITH THE COMMERCIAL-GENERAL TYPE USES, WE GET THAT GUIDANCE FROM OUR LAND
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DEVELOPMENT CODE. REGARDING THAT.THIS MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS WHAT PROVIDES YOU AND YOUR STAFF TO FILL IN THE REVIEW, AS CASEY WALKED THROUGH ON AN INCREMENTAL. YOU SEE THAT WE MEET THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH REGARD TO ARTICLE 6 AND THE COMPATIBLE BUFFERS. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH REGARD TO ACCESS AND LOCATION. AND THEN WE HAVE WORKED AS GARY HAS DISCUSSED WITH THE SCHOOL SPECIFICALLY TO LOCATE A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. THEY OWN THIS PROPERTY BETWEEN ASCIOLLA ELEMENTSRY AND OUR PROPERTY, SO THEY COULD HAVE A CROSSING FOR STUDENTS WHO WOULD BE GENERATED BY OUR PROJECTS IN A SAFE MANNER THAT WOULD INCLUDE A BEACON OF FLASHING LIGHT AS WELL. THAT IS NORTH OF THE CONNECTION HERE ON OSCEOLA AS WE COME TO STATE ROAD 207.
COUPLED WITH THIS MAP THAT WE WOULD FILL IN IS VERY DETAILED PUD TEXT THAT GIVES GUIDANCE FOR THOSE APPROVALS AND WHAT WAS PROFFERED WAS THE 45-FOOT HEIGHT.
YOU CAN SEE, TO GIVE YOU THE IDEA OF A FOUR-ACRE STORMWATER POND CENTRALLY LOCATED, ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE.
WE ARE MEETING OUR 25% AND OUR PARK SPACE.
THAT IS WHAT I WOULD ADD IN RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> YEAH. THE SITE PLAN THEY SHOWED YOU IS BASED ON TWO-STORY. IT IS NOT BASED ON THREE-STORY OR 60 FEET. IF THEY WERE TO GO TO THREE STORY WHICH THEY COULD DO WITHIN 45-FEET, YOU WOULD HAVELESS OF A FOOTPRINT. THAT IS A TWO-STORY PLAN.
THAT IS A MAXIMUM FOOTPRINT THAT WE WOULD DO.
>> THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MS. PERKINS?
>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD2022-18 ON THE STATE ROAD 207, MULTIFAMILY BASED UPON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT.
WITH THE ADDED CONDITION THAT YOU WOULD REDUCE YOUR HEIGHT TO
45 FEET FROM 60. >> IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND. >> MR. WILSON, THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
DISCUSSION? DR. HILLSEN SPHWHEK.
>> I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO FORM A COMPLETE OPINION ON THIS. IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING, AND I DON'T LIKE THE INCREMENTAL APPROVAL FOR THIS.
[13. Recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners for Planning and Zoning Agency Member Appointments]
WE NEED TO HAVE MORE CERTAINTY ON THIS.I THINK IT IS PREMATURE. >> MR. PIERRE?
>> I CONCUR WITH DR. HILSENBECK. >> ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES 3-2.
SO WE ARE ON TO ITEM 13 OF THE AGENDA.
O'LET ME CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS BEFORE WE GO FORWARD HERE. CHRISTINE, DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN TO US THE PROCESS BY WHICH WE WILL WITNESS WE FILL EACH POSITION ONE AT A TIME? YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT
AS IN THE PAST, YOU WILL TAKE NOMINATIONS UNTIL THERE ARE NO OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR A SPECIFIC SEAT.
THERE ARE TWO SEATS AVAILABLE. AND THEN VOTE ON TYPICALLY, THE
FIRST ONE THAT IS NOMINATED. >> OKAY.
AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS FOR STAFF.
I'M SORRY. >> SO THE AUDIENCE KNOWS AND WE KNOW, WHEN WILL THIS GO BEFORE THE BOARD? WHEN IS IT PLANNED TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD?
>> THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER?
>> YES, SIR. LET ME CHECK ON SOMETHING.
I CAUGHT YOU OFF-GUARD. >> WHILE SHE IS LOOKING THAT UP,
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CHRISTINE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I DON'T HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF...IT IS NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THE... WITHIN THE MEETING OF THE COMMISSION ON ETHICS RULES.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE REAPPLED TO SERVE AN ADDITIONAL TERM FOR YOUR SEAT WHICH RECENTLY EXPIRED.
AND THEN WE HAVE AN ABSENCE OR A VACANCY DUE TO ZACH MILLER'S
>> IT IS THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
ALL RIGHT. SO THE FIRST SEAT WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE SEAT FOR DISTRICT ONE.
YOURS TRULY. MY TERM TECHNICALLY EXPIRED A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO. SO WE ARE NOW OPEN FOR NOMINATIONS FOR THAT SEAT. DR. HILSENBECK?
>> I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GOING TO DO IT IN A PARTICULAR ORDER.
SO I WANTED TO DEFER MY COMMENT TO THE SECOND ONE.
NOW THAT I HAVE IT,LY NOMINATE GREG MATOVINA FOR DISTRICT ONE.
WELL, WE HAVE TO ASK FOR OTHER NOMINATIONS.
MS. PERKINS, THANK YOU. ARE THERE OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY. THIS LOOKS GOOD HERE.
WE WILL SEE. DR. HILSENBECK, DO YOU WANT TO
MAKE A MOTION? >> I THOUGHT I HAD MOVED... I MOVE GREG MATOVINA BE DOMINATED BY THE PZA TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO FULFILL THE PZA SEAT OF DISTRICT ONE.
>> LET ME CLARIFY SOMETHING HERE, CHRISTINE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND FOR THE NOMINATIONS.
JUST A NOMINATION, THEN WE GO AND VOTE ON EACH ONE IN THE ORDER THEY WERE MILLION TO NAMED.
THAT IS CORRECT. AND OFFICIALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN DISTRICTS THAT REQUIRE APPOINTEES.
THERE CAN BE MULTIPLE FOLKS WHO RESIDE IN A PARTICULAR DISTRICT
SO DR. HILSENBECK HAS MADE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND GREG MATOVINA TO SERVE ANOTHER THREE-YEAR TERM.
EXCUSE ME. I HAVE BEEN HERE FOUR YEARS?
>> I WITHDRAW IT IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE TERM IS.
>> NEVER MIND. MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MY MS. PERKINS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE.
SO NOW WE MOVE TO MR. MILLER'S OPEN SEAT.
WHICH, YOU KNOW, LEANS TOWARD DISTRICT FOUR.
THE PERSON DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN DISTRICT FOUR.
WE ARE TAKING NOMINATIONS FOR THAT SEAT WHICH DON'T REQUIRE A SECOND. DR. HILSENBECK?
YOUR NOMINATION. >> WELL, I'M GOING TO... I'M PROUD TO NOMINATE MR. CHARLES LABANOWSKI.
TO SERVE ON THE PZA. HE IS A GAT VETERAN,... A COMBAT VETERAN, VIETNAM WAR. HE ATTENDS REGULARLY THE PZA AND COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETINGS. HE IS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ONLY ISSUES. IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT STATE ROAD 16 WITH MR. LABANOWSKI. I THINK HE WOULD BE A GOOD MEMBER AND ROUND OUT THE PEOPLE WE HAVE HERE.
I DID NOTE WE RECEIVED UP HERE TODAY FROM JACK PETER IF I MAY READ THIS. IT IS TO TERESA BISHOP AND KIMBERLY DANIELS. GOOD MORNING, LADIES.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO MISTODAY'S MEETING.
FOR THE RECORD, I NOMINATE GREG MATOVINA AND CHUCK LABANOWSKI FOR APPOINTMENTS. YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED, GREG.
JACK AND I SEEM TO BE IN ACCORD ON.
THAT I HOPE WE CAN APPROVE MR. LABANOWSKI TO BE ON THE PZA.
>> I NOMINATE WILL HAWLEY-SMITH. HE IS PART OF THE REAL ESTATE COMPANY RIGHT NOW. HIS FAMILY DEVELOPED VALENCIA WHICH EVERYBODY LOVES. HE WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO
THIS BOARD. >> ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, THAT MEANS WE FIRST WILL VOTE ON MR. LABANOWSKI. SO DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR MR. LABANOWSKI AND A SECOND? ARE WE JUST VOTING?
>> THE NOMINATION IS THE MOTION. >> OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND ACTUALLY USE THE MACHINE AND REGISTER A VOTE ON MR. LABANOWSKI.
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ALL RIGHT. SO THAT MOTION FAILS 3-2.NOW, LET'S USE THE MACHINE AND VOTE ON MR. SMITH.
>> IT IS NOT RESET. >> I THINK WE ARE READY NOW.
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