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>> ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE ON CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. LET'S START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE STAND.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT. MR. VICE CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT, PLEASE.
>> I WOULD LOVE TO. THANK YOU THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING.
ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST DO SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER.
ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES.
SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.
IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD.
THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCIES OR THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD THEN IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION.
CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.
NOW WE'RE MOVING INTO A TIME OF PUBLIC COMMENTS.
[1. SUPMIN 2022-12: 511 Carter St Ext (McMillan MH 041770-000).]
EACH ITEM ON THE AGENDA WILL HAVE A TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK AT THAT TIME.
BUT AT THIS TIME YOU COULD SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA OR NOT ON THE AGENDA IF YOU PREFER. THE DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, DR. HILSENBECK?
>> NOT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PER SAY, MOW.
PUBLIC COMMENTS? SHE SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE O ITEM 1 OF THE AGENDA. MR. FREEMAN, YOU'RE UP.
GUST DIB NUIVE ANY EX PARTE UNKNEWCATION TO DECLARE WITH ITEM NUMBER 1? YOU DO NOT LOOK LIKE
MY NAME IS MCKENZIE SMITH I'M THE NEVER COORDINATOR OR FOR RESOURCE AT ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS IS ANOTHER SPECIAL USE
PERMIT REQUEST FOR -- >> CAN YOU PULL THAT MIC DOWN A LITTLE BIT, MA'AM. YOUR VOICE IS A SOFT.
>> IT'S ANOTHER SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY LOK AT 511 CARTER STREET EXTENSION. WE ARE REPLACING REPLACINGT MOBILE HOME WITH A NEW MOBILE HOME.
THE CURRENT MOBILE HOME ON THE PROPERTY WAS DAMAGED BY HURRICANE MATTHEW IN 2016 AND IS BEING REPLACED BY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CDBG DISASTER RECOVERY REST. JOHNS COUNTY PROGRAM.
THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES CONSISTENT BOTH SITE BUILT AND MOBILE HOMES. ADJACENT MOBILES HOE AT LOCATE AT 616E STREET 5 STREET CARTER STREET EXTENSION.
THE NEW MOBILE HOME IS GOING TO BE A SINGLE WIDE MOBILE HOME WITH THREE BLOOMEDZ AND TWO BATHROOMS. HERE YOU SEE THE AERIAL MAP OF THE ADDRESS.
THE LOCATION MAP. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOWING
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THAT IT IS RESIDENTIAL B. THE ZONING MAP SHOWING THAT IT IS ZONED RS3. AND THE ADJACENT MOBILE HOMES ARE OUTLINED IN RED AND THE ADDRESS IN QUESTION IS OUTLINED IN BLUE. AND THE CURRENT SITE PLAN.THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?
DR. HILSENBECK. >> I JUST HAVE ONE AND I WAS GOING TO ASK MR. FREEMAN THIS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND I DID NOT DO IT AND I APOLOGIZE. I JUST -- HURRICANE MATTHEW IS FIVE YEARS AND 11 MONTHS AGO, AND I'M JUST WONDERING DID IT REALLY TAKE THAT LONG TO GET THE FUNDING TO DO THIS? SO WHAT WAS THE HOLD-UP? I'M REALLY GLAD YA'LL ARE DOING THIS. IT'S REALLINESS AND REAI APPRECIATE IT FOR OUR COMMUNITY BUT WHAT TOOK SO LONG?
I'M CURIOUS. >> MY NAME IS BILL FREEMAN I'M THE CHIEF ENGINEER FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY DISASTER CRIEFER AT 200 SAN SEBASTIAN VIEW.
SO WHEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY APPLIED FOR TO GRANTS THROUGH FEMA, IT TOOK A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME GETTING THE INFORMATION TOGETHER AND THEN EVERYTHING WAS SUBMITTED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IT TOOK A WHILE FOR IT TO BE AWARDED.
THE ACTUAL AWARD FOR EVERYTHING DIDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL LATE 2018 SO AT THAT POINT BEYONCE EVERYTHING WAS AWARDED, SMDGES ST. JOHY HAD TO SEEK FOLKS WHO HAD BEEN DAMAGED OR AFFECTED BY THE STORM AND THEY RECEIVED APPLICATIONS THROUGHOUT THE FOLLOWING YEAR, SO BASICALLY THE WHOLE YEAR OF 2019 THEY WERE RECEIVING APPLICATIONS, AND ONCE APPLICATIONS WERE FILED, THEY ALL HAD TO BE VETTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY QUALIFIED FINANCIALLY BECAUSE THIS IS FOR LOW TO MIDDLE INCOME FAMILIES, SO THEY HAD TO BE PROPERLY VETTED.
AND ONCE THAT HAPPENED, A SCOPE OF WORK WAS DONE ON EACH PROPERTY TO ASSESS THE DAMAGE AND COME UP WITH A COST ESTIMATE AND THEN YOU HAD TO ACQUIRE CONTRACTORS.
WE HAD TO DO A RFQ OR REQUEST FOR QUOSKSZ TO OBTAIN NUMEROUS CONTRACTORS. AND ONCE WE HAD A GROUPER OF CONTRACTORS, WE WOULD TAKE EACH PROJECT AND PUT IT OUT TO BID AND THEN IT WENT OUT TO THE LOWEST BIDDER, SO THE WHOLE PROCESS, IT IT JUST TAKES SOME TIME, AND WE HAD OVER 600 APPLICANTS AND OF THOSE WE APPROVED APPROXIMATELY 166, AND SO WE'VE BEEN KNOCKING THEM OUT ONE AT A TIME, AND IT'S A PROCESS. SO WE ARE MOVING PRETTY GOOD, AND THE PROGRAM DOES END NEXT YEAR IN FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR.
SO WE'RE THE IN PROCESS OF GETTING EVERYTHING COMPLETED NOW. THESE ARE THE FINAL PROJECTS.
AND WE'LL GET IT WRAPPED UP AND HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE WITH BRAND
MEW MOBILE HOMES. >> GREAT PANS DO YOU THINK YOU'LL SPEND ALL THE MONEY BY THE DEADLINE?
>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> WE DO NOT, SIR.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MR. PETER.
[2. Premium Outlets Site Plan Approval for Outside Sales]
>> MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT 2022-12511 CARTER STREET BASED ON EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT SUBJECT TO TEN CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED FOR IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> MOTION BY MR. PETERSON. A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. WILSON. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES 4-0.
LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2, AND MR. BURRESS.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. AND THANKS FOR PRONOUNCING MY NAME EXREBLG. I YOU ARE APPRECIATE THAT.
MOST GET THE FIRST NAME OF WRONG SO I APPRECIATE THE LAST NAME CORRECTLY. MY NAME IS ONASSIS BURRESS.
I'M THE AREA GENERAL MANAGER FOR REPRESENTING ST. AUGUSTINE PREMIUM OUTLETS SO WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST THE ALLOWANCE OF THE OUTSIDE SALES PER ORDINANCE 1989-, YOU KNOW,.
THE FIRST SLIDE, SECOND PAGE OF THE SLIDE WILL SHOW THE ORDINANCE -- YEAH, THERE WE GO -- PREMIUM YOU THE YO LETS PUD 1989-51 THERE'S PROVISION THAT ALLOWS WITH YOUR APPROVAL FOR THE PERMISSION TO -- FOR OUTSIDE SALES AND DISPLAY SHALL BE PERMITTED SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND LENGTH OF TIME APPROVED BY THE PZA SO IN YOUR PACKAGE I HAVE SEND YOU A LESS OF THE EVENTS WE PLAN TO HOSTED AT THE SITE.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE YOU WILL SEE AN AERIAL MAP OF THE PROPERTY.
SO TO THE LEFT OUTLINED AREA. SO IT GIVES US AN OVERVIEW OF OUR PROPERTY TO HAVE YOU THE STRUCTURES AND THE PARKING LOT ITSELF AS WELL. JUST AS OF NOTE WE HAVE ABOUT $450,000 OF CAPITAL PLANNED THIS YEAR FOR SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT INCLUDE WATER FEATURES AND ALSO A REVAMPING OF THE PYLON SIGN, THE MONUMENT SIGNS AND LANDSCAPING AS WELL, SO THIS WILL FIT WELL INTO THAT MISSION. THE NEXT SLIDE YOU'LL SEE IS
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WHERE THE PADS WILL BE LOCATED. SO WITHIN THE PARKING LOT IT SHOWS TWO PADS. WE HAVE A NORTH ENTRANCE TO YOUR FAR RIGHT, SOUTH ENTRANCE TO YOUR LEFT AND SO OUR FOCUS, OUR GOAL IS TO PLACE TWO PADS FOR EVENTS SUCH AS TENT SALES, BLOOD DRIVES, FOOD TRUCK, WHAT HAVE YOU TO BE HELD ON THOSE TWO PADS. AND I THINK THAT IS IT.PRETTY PLAIN AND SIMPLE. WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO, PER THE ORDINANCE, TO HAVE A VARIANCE APPROVED TO ALLOW FOR OUTSIDE
SALES AND DISPLAY. >> ALL RIGHT.
DOUGH ANY OF THE AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE? ALL RIGHT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> WE DO NOT.
>> THEN WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.
>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AT THE PROVIDED SITE PLAN AND PROPOSED
[3. PUD 2022-04 Madison St. Augustine]
LEFNLINGSZ TIME TO ALLOW OUTSIDE SIGNS AND DISPLAY WITHIN THE ST. AUGUSTINE PREMIUM OUTLETS PUD MER ORDINANCE 1989-51.>> SECOND. >> SECOND BY MR. PETER.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. OKAY.
THAT MOTION PASSES 4-0. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3, AND I ASSUME MR. WESTER IS PRESENTING.
I HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DECLARE ON THIS.
I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM MR. WESTER YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE, JUST MENTIONING THAT THIS WAS COMING BACK BEFORE US AND THAT THEY HAD DELETED THE VARIANCES THEY WERE REQUESTING, AND JUST LETTING ME KNOW ABOUT IT.
>> I HAD SIMILAR EMAIL FROM MR. WESTER FROM YESTERDAY, AND I RESPONDED TO HIM THIS MORNING. SAME CONTENT.
IN WESTER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> HI.
THANK YOU. BRAD WESTER, DRIVER MCAFEE HAWTHORNE AND DEIBENOW. ONE INDEPENDENT DRIVE SUITE 1200 JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA 32003. HERE TO DISCUSS MADISON ST. AUGUSTINE PUD. AS GUYS KNOW, THIS WILL BE THE THIRD TIME THIS IS BEEN BEFORE THE PZA.
THE FIRST TIME WAS HEARD, WE TABLE THE VOTE TO GO BACK AND MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND MEET WITH THE COLLEGE.
THEN WE WERE HEARD A SECOND TIME, AND THEN BROUGHT FORTH TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, BUT BETWEEN THAT TIME OF THE SECOND PZA HEARING AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION WE CREW WITHDREW OUR TWO WAIVERS AND REDID THE SITE PLAN A LITTLE BIT, ADDED SOME ENHANCEMENT AND THEY WILL IT WAS PRUDENT TO BRING BACK BEFORE PZA SO PZA COULD HEAR THE WITHOUT THE IFERREDZ WAIVERS. S A REZONING REQUEST FROM CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL. BACK IN 1989-26 WAS ORDINANCE APPROVAL FOR THAT. TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS 19.22 ACRES IN THE MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT IS A PROPOSAL FOR 218 APARTMENTS AND 20 TOWNHOMES. TWO 18 APARTMENTS WOULD BE A TWO-STORY AND THE 20 TOWNHOMES WOULD BE A TWO-STORY.
THERE ARE NO FLOODPLAIN OR HABITAT CONCERNS.
AND .H.8 ACRES JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS WILL REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY. AS WE STATED, THERE ARE NO WAIVERS ON IT NOW AND IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND UNPRODUCTIVE LAND WITH A PREVIOUS LARGE HOMELESS CAMP ON-SITE. MADISON CAPITAL IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND DEVELOPER. YOU CAN SEE THEIR GEOGRAPHIC FOOTPRINT WITH HERR THEIR EXPERIENCE, BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. SOME EXAMPLES, SAMPLE FROM VARIOUS PLACES THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEAST, THEIR RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT, VERY NICE, DIVERSE MIX OF DIVERSE TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL.
TAKING US INTO THE TIMELINE AS A PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED IN SEPTEMBER OF '21 WE FILED FOR A PRE-APPLICATION DRC MEETING WITH THE COUNTY FOR 250 UNITS. AND THAT WAS DURING OUR INITIAL DISCUSSIONS AND OUTREACH, INCLUDING TO THE STATE COLLEGE.
FEBRUARY WE FILED FOR THE REZONING OFFICIALLY FOR 238 UNITS DOWN FROM 250. AND THEN SINCE THEN IT WAS WRAPPING UP THE APPLICATION SUFFICIENCY, HAVING HEARINGS AND COMMUNITY MEETING, AND THEN OF COURSE BCC MEETING IS SLATED FOR OCTOBER. HERE'S THE LOCATION WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH. SENT ESSENTIALLY IT IS THE SOUT CORNER OF KENTON MORRISON ROAD AND STATE ROAD 16.
HERE'S A CLOSER VIEWCH AN AERIAL.
YOU SEE THE VARIOUS EMPTIES AROUND THE DEVELOPED PROPERTY IN CONTEXT. THE MISSION TRACE SHOP CENTER FULLY DEVELOPED PARCELS, THE MISSION TRACE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, THE STATE COLLEGE AND ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE,
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INCLUDING THE FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL STATION THERE AND THERE'S A COMMUNICATION TOWER AND THEN, OF COURSE, STATE ROAD 16.THEN VARIOUS COMMERCIAL USES ACROSS THE STREET.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY WHICH DOES ALLOW RESIDENTIAL UP TO 13 UNITS PER ACRE.
THIS IS ZONING MAP ALSO NOTING THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING USES, AND I'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH THEM. ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ITSELF, CHANGED BY ORDINANCE OF 8926, IT'S CURRENTLY -- IT HAS DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS FOR 165,000 SQUARE FEET AND THREE ACCESS POINTS FOR A COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER WITHOUT PARCELS.
ADJOINING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THROUGH ORDINANCE 9304, ALSO A PUD, WAS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY RIVER STATE COLLEGE UP TO 2800 SQUARE FEET FOR INSTITUTIONAL COLLEGE USES.
IT HAD CURRENTLY HAS TWO ACCESS POINTS.
IT ACTUALLY IN THE PUD HAS FOUR ACCESS POINTS, ONE TO STATE ROAD 16, TWO TO KENTON MORRISON AND ONE TO FOUR MILE SO IT IS GRANDFATHERED FOR FOUR ACCESS POINTS BASED ON THEIR EXPANSION PLANS. TO THE EAST IS ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE, 369 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, 264 MUL FAMILY UNITS.
THEY HAVE AN EXISTING THREE-STORY CONDO PRODUCT OVER THERE CALLED THE FLORIDA CLUB. AND THEN, OF COURSE, MISSION TRACE WHICH IS A COMBINED 80,000 SQUARE FEET AND ROUGHLY 90 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH FOUR ACCESS POINTS, AND MISSION TRACE DOES SHARE THE, IF PUD SHARES THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THE RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS A BLACK-AND-WHITE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IMAGE. A LOT OF LABELS, A LOT OF THINGS ON THIS, BUT IT'S A LOT EASIER TO SEE WHEN YOU TURN NIGHT A RENDERING BUT WE CAN GO BACK THE TO LABEL IF NEEDED.
WHAT DID THUS SHOW IS ALL THE DEVELOPMENT IN CONTEXT TO THE AREA, SO YOU SEE THE THREE BIG BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY.
THOSE RTD THREE-STORY APARTMENT UNITS.
THAT'S THE 218 APARTMENT UNITS. THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE THE TWO-STORY TOWNHOME PRODUCTS AND THEN WAL HAVE SINGLE STORY GARAGES AS AN OFFERING TO PARK CARS IN THE GARAGES.
YOU CAN SEE THE TWO ACCESS POINTS.
THE MAIN ACCESS POINT OFF STATE ROAD 16, INCLUDING THE SIDEWALK THAT IS EXISTING OUT THERE, ONE OF THE WAIVERS WAS AY, PREVIOUSLY WAS A REDUCTION FROM 50 FEET SETBACK TO 20 FEET SETBACK BECAUSE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT SETBACK TO THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT ON 16. WE HAVE NOW REMOVED THAT SO THERE IS A 50-FOOT SETBACK TO THE PROPERTY EDGE, THEN ANOTHER ROUGHLY 50 FEET TO THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
SECONDARY ACCESS POINT ON KENTON MORRISON, AGAIN ONE OF THE VESTED ACCESS POINTS PER THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL IN 1989 AND THE ADOPTIVE CONDITIONS, SHARES ESSENTIALLY THE JOM INDUSTRY WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER ACCESS -- GEOMETRY WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER TO MISSION TRACE.
SO THIS IS A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT AROUND THE APARTMENT COMMUNITY SO YOU'VE GOT ONE ON STATE ROAD 16 AND ONE ON KENTON MORRISON. AND, OF COURSE, WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS IF NEEDED. THIS IS A DEPICTION OF THE 20 TOWNHOME UNITS, TWO STORIES. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FRONT DOOR PORCH, A VERY NICE PRODUCT. AND THEN THE THREE-STORY PRODUCT WHICH IS THE 218 APARTMENT UNITS.
SO ONLY THREE STORIES MAXIMUM OF 45 FEET.
HERE IS A -- THE FOUR MILE, ESSENTIALLY THE CONCURRENCY AND ROAD ANALYSIS MAP THAT IS SUPPLIED A PART OF THE APPLICATION AND PART OF OUR REVIEW.
WHAT THIS NOTES IS THE DEFICIENCY ROADWAYS PER THE TRANSPORTATION SPREADSHEET, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT% PLAYS INTO IN TERMS OF ASSESSING WHAT IMPACTS ARE TO NEIGHBORING ROADWAYS, AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT. CURRENTLY THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL VESTED FOR 175,000 SQUARE FEET WOULD GENERATE 7,400 DAILY TRIPS AND 595Y P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS. OUR PROPOSAL FOR 283, 228 OOH GENERATES 1,621 AND 123U.21 PACKER HOUR TRIPS SO THAT'S A REDUCTION OF 4.6 TIMES LESS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL IS EXEMPT FROM CONCURRENCY.
IF IT WERE TO BE BUILT AS-IS AND PROPORTION SHARE.
IT'S CURRENTLY APPROVE FOR THREE ACCESS POINTS.
WE'RE ASKING FOR TWO. THE PUD WILL PAY $878,413 IN PROPORTIONATE SHARE FOR THE IMPACTS TO HOLMES BOULEVARD WHICH IS SOUTH OF OUR PROPERTY. OUR FRONTAGE ROADS WHICH ARE STATE ROAD 16 AND ENDING ARE NOT IMPACTED SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED LYNX ARE AND NOT DEFIBT TESTIFY THE PUD ACCESS TO STATE ROAD 16 AND KENTON MORRISON ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY RIVER EXPLEJ AND MISSION TRACE AND THE FLORIDA MOIPT THEY BOTH
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ACCESS KENTON MORRISON AND STATE ROAD 16.THIS IS A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS THAT OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER PUT TOGETHER WHO IS HERE TODAY SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN3 DEFER TO THAT ENT EXPERT. 238 UNITS WITH APARTMENTS, AS WE'VE CATED, 16REAU 1 AND 123, AND THEN 175,000 SQUARE FOOT OF SHOPPING, AND YOU SEE THE GENERATION NUMBERS THERE.
THE FRONTAGE ROAD SEGMENT, AND I'LL REPEAT THIS, KENTON MORRISON AND STATE ROAD ARE NOT ADVERSELY IMPACTED OR DEFICIENT AS A RESULT OF THIS PUD ACCORDING TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY METHODOLOGY. STATE ROAD 313 WILL LEVEE HOLME BOULEVARD, THE DEFICIENT SEGMENTS IN THIS MATTER WHEN CONSTRUCTED. IN THE FIRST SEGMENTCH STATE ROAD 313 IS SUPPOSED TO START CONSTRUCTION VERY SOON, AND THIS IS MER JAN ATLANTA HAM SENIOR PLANNER AT I PREVIOUS MEETING JUNE SCECTSDZ DESCRIBING THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS OR PUD 2022-04. THIS IS INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND URBANIZED CORRIDOR ANDY DEVELOPMENT SETTING.
PUD COMPLEMENTS THE LAND USE AND CHARACTER OF THE AREA ITS INTERCONNECTED BY SIDEWALKS AND CROSSWALKS AND MERE NEARBY PUEDES THE, PRO I MEAN TO THE SHOPPING COLLEGE, SHOPPING AND OTHER PARKS ARE AN ASSET TO THIS COMMUNITY.
THE HEIGHT AND DENSITY, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, THE HEIGHT DENSITY ARE VERY UP THE LAR FOR THIS AREA AND IT SURROUNDING USES.
THE ENHANCED BUFFER ALONG ENDING ROAD AND IT'S APPLIED AND IT'S IN THE PUD TO PROVIDE A CERTAIN STANDARD OF TREES TO PROVIDE AN ADEQUATE BUFFER OF. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I HAVE A RECORD I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD ON THAT. THIS IS A COMPATIBILITY MAP THAT THE COUNTY PREPARED. THIS IS SHOWING THE CG SUBJECT PROPERTY CURRENTLY. THE MADISON ST. AUGUSTINE FOR 238 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS. IT'S SHOWING IN CONTEXT TO OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES IN AND AROUND THE AREA, AGAIN, CREATED BY THE COUNTY AS FAR AS THE STAFF REPORT.
COMPATIBILITY REVIEW. OTHER APPROVED OR BUILT USES.
THE RECENT ONE IS THE ORDINANCE 2022-42 ARLINGTON PROPERTIES.
REDEVELOPED AN OLD OLD JAIL SITE ON STATE ROAD 16.
IT IS SLATED FOR 240 APARTMENT UDONIS 18.54 ACRES AND THAT IS FOR 55 FEET. RECENTLY ALSO ORDINANCE TWIEWN YEAT ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER THAT'S THE OUTLET CENTER, THAT IS SLATED FOR 350 MULTI-FAMILY UDONIS TO BE DETERMINED IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY TONIGHT HOM OR APARTMENT BUT THAT'S ON 31.7 ACRES FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR MULTI-FAMILY AT 60 FEEN FEET. AGAIN WE'RE PRIVATE 234 CON TANKS STRATFORD MILL WHICH IS NEAR THE OUTLET MALL MESA EXISTING 240 APARTMENT UNIT ON 30 ACRES A 60 FEET APPROVAL.
THE FLORIDA CLUB ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE 264 CONDO UNITS ON 23 ACRES A 45 FEET. THAT IS AGAIN ADJACENT TOSS NEXT DOOR. YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT FROM THE SUBJECT PROAT. AGAIN THIS IS ALL TO SHOW IN CONTEXT WITH OUR DENSITY AND THE NUMBERS OF UNITS THAT WE APPLY 218 UNITS IS FAR LESS THAN WHAT IS SHOWN HERE.
OTHER PLAN REVIEW PUD 2022-08 THE FEBRUARYER STATE ROAD 15 PACELLE THAT ONES A KNOW IS ON THE DOCKET ANDITES SLATED TO OOTD 445 FAMILY UNITS TO THE EXISTING PUD ON 33 ACRES, AND THEN PUD 2022-18 ON STATE ROAD 207 MULTI-FAMILY IS WHAT IT'S CALLED. IT'S CURRENTLY PROPERTY ON THE OTHER HAND BY FLAGLER COLLEGE. THEY'RE SELLING IT, AND IT'S PROPOSED 230ER 272 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS ON 44 ACRES AGAIN SHOWING THE COMPATIBILITY AND CONTEXT WITH THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
THIS IS THE PUD SITE. AS YOU SEE THIS IS THE COLLEGES' PUD SITE PLAN. COMPLORD AND RENDER SO YOU CAN SEE THE ADEQUATE BUFFER AROUND THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS A DEPICTION HERE OF THE LARGE STAFNED PINE TREES THAT ADORNS THEIR BUFFER ON THE COLLEGE AND THOSE ARE A COMBINATION OF A LOT OF VEGETATION BUT MAINLY LOBLOLLY AND STLASH PINE TREES WHICH GROW BETWEEN 75 AND 100 FEET TALL.
AGAIN WE'RE AT 45, OUR PROPOSAL ON THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE THE BUFFER AROUND THERE.
THIS IS ALSO SHOWING THE BUFFER AND SEPARATIONS DISTANCES AROUND OUR PROPERTY, AND THIS IS KEY TO NOTE.
THIS IS A NATURAL BUFFER THAT IS PROTECTED INSIDE THEIR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE TO NOT BE TOUCHED.
THERE'S A MINIMUM STANDARD OF 5E EXISTING AS-BUILT STANDARDS RIGHT NOW. 207 FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY EDGE TO THEIR EDGE OF PAVEMENT ON COLLEGE DRIVE, 256 FEET AS NOTED, 197 AND 102, AND THAT'S JUST ON THE ABUTTING COLLEGE PROPERTY IN THEIR PROTECTED, UNDEVELOPED LANDSCAPE BUFFER PER THE PUD. THE OTHER SEPARATION IS 110 FEET FROM THE NEAREST BACKYARD OF MISSION TRACE PROPERTY.
110 FEET TO OUR PROPERTY EDGE. AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS ADD THIS UNPROTECTED -- PROTECTED STAND OF PINES TO BE PROTECTED, VEGETATED, UNDISTURBED AND IT'S WRITTEN IN THE CODE LIKE THAT AS FAR AS OUR REQUEST. WE WILL KEEP THIS STAND OF PINE TREES RIGHT HERE AND THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE OF IT AND I'LL SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, THE BUFFER
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THERE, AND OOH NOT BUILDINGS THAT AREIT RADIO AGAINST THE PROPERTY EDGE. WE HAVE HAVE WE'VE GOT A SINGLE STORY GARAGE GARAGE THAT IT STEPS UP IN HEIGHT TO THE 45 AND THE 25 AND 35 FOR THE DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPES.SO IT'S NO BUILDINGS THAT ARE TALL RIGHT AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE. AGAIN, WE DID ASK FOR ANY WAIVERS FROM ANY BUFFERS FOR SETBACKS OR LANDSCAPING.
MORE LANDSCAPING AROUND THAT BUFFER AROUND COLLEGE DRIVE.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S VERY THICK, VERY MATURE.
IT'S BEEN THERE ALL ALONG. PINE TREES WAS SET FIRE BY THE HOMELESS CAMP ON THE PROPERTY, SO THAT WILL BE -- SOME OF THAT IS ON THE COLLEGE PROPERTY AND SOME OF THAT IS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. A LOT OF THAT WILL BE REPLANTED WITH CODE LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE PROPERTY, BUT THOSE YOU SEE THAT ARE ON THE COLLEGE PROPERTY WILL REMAIN AS IS, AS HAS BEEN THROUGH TIME. THIS IS A DEPICTION OF KENTON MORRISON ROAD LOOKING FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY NORTH TO STATE ROAD 16 AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS STAND OF PINE TREES, THIS STAND OF PINE TREES WILL REMAIN THAT IS PROTECTED IN THE PUD AS THAT. THIS IS COMING IDENTITY MISSION TRACE SHOPPING CENTER AND THIS IS GOING NORTH STRAIGHT FROM OUTSIDE THE COLLEGE NORTH ON KENTON MORRISON.
THE HOUSING BENEFIT TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY WEEK THIS PROVIDES A DIVERSE TIED FIED HOUSING OPTION AND NEED FOR FAMILIES AND WORKERS AND IT'S AN ALLOWABLE USE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE MIXED FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. THE INCENTIVES FOR LOCAL PREFERRED BUSINESSES WHICH WE WILL OFFER IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, TEACHERS, POLICE, FIREFIGHTERS, STAFF, THIS IS LIMITED, THIS IS A LIMITED PLANNED RENTAL COMMUNITIES IN THIS AREA OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
THERE AREN'T MANY FOR RENT APARTMENT PRODUCT IN HAD AREA.
ADEQUATE COMMERCIAL EXISTS EXISTS IN THE AREA ALONG STATE ROAD 16 IS CURRENTLY AND THERE IS NOT LEAPFROG OR SPOT ZONING.
FURTHERING THAT, DURING THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION HELD EARLIER THIS YEAR, THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WERE ITEMS THAT WERE CHECKING THOSE BOXES, THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING OPTION, MORE INFILL DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF SPRAWL, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, SIDEWALKS FOR INTERCONNECTIVITY. IT'S IMPORTANT NOT JUST TO GET IN YOUR CAR BUT YOU COULD, WALK TO PUBLIX FROM THIS COMMUNITY.
ADDRESS TRAFFIC EXPR INFRASTRUCTURE, REDUCE CARS THE ON ROAD. THIS REDUCES CARS BY 4.6 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
DESIGN DISTINCTIVE AND ATTRACTIVE COMMUNITIES.
I'VE SHOWN YOU EXAMPLES. AND THE PRESERVE CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES. WE'RE PRESERVING 8.48 AREAS, OF JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS. I THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THIS PROPOSAL FOR THE PUD AND I'LL TURN IT OVER BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND THEN I'M GOING TO WAIT AND THEN I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, BUT AS PART OF MY EX PARTE, I DO NEED TO SAY THAT I DID DRIVE BY THERE THIS AFTERNOON, EARLY THIS AFTERNOON AND I DROVE ALL AROUND THROUGH THE COLLEGE AND THE ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE AND MISSION TRACE AND UP AND DOWN STATE ROAD 16, AND I JUST DON'T SEE ANYTHING, EXCEPT FOR WHAT'S IN ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE WHICH IS ABOUT 175 YARDS OFF STATE ROAD 16, THE FLORIDA CLUB AS YOU NOTED IS THERE, SO ANYWAY, SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. BY THE WAY, THAT I WAS GREAT PRESENTATION, MUCH BETTER THAN LAST TIME, AND I'M GLAD YOU TOOK THE WAIVERS OUT BECAUSE FOR ME THOSE WERE ABSOLUTELY A NON-STARTER, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
SO LET'S SAY THIS GOES TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION, AND I SEE IT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED TO GO TO THEM OCTOBER 8TH.
>> OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THEIR LONGSTANDING POLICY, I GUESS IT'S A FORM FORMAL POLY THATT MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AS OPPOSED TO RESIDENTIAL, THEY WANT COMMERCIAL AND THIS IS ZONED COMMERCIAL AND NOW IF THIS IS APPROVED IT WILL NOT BE COMMERCIAL.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE 4.6 TIMES DIFFERENTIAL IN TRAFFIC, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, BUT WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IF THEY BROUGHT UP, WELL, WE REALLY WANT SOME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE AND THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE RESIDENTIAL?
>> WELL, AGAIN, BACK TO THE WAIVERS, THE TWO WAIVERS JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS ON THE RECORD, ONE WAS FOR A REDUCTION IN PARKS FROM 3 ACRES TO 2.5. WE WITHDREW THAT SO WE'LL HAVE ALL THE REGULATORY REQUIRED PARK SPACE INSIDE THE PROPERTY, AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE FRONTAGE 2T BACK AND NOW WE HAVE 50 FEET.
SO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON BECAUSE THOSE WERE IN THERE THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED TO ACHIEVE THE DENSITY IN NUMBERS, AND I THINK WE'VE SHOWN THAT'S NOT EXACTLY TRUE.
WE JUST FELT IT WAS BETTER IN CONTEXT WITH OUR DESIGN.
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REGARDING THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS, THIS PROPERTY HAS SAT THERE UNPREIVELT PRUCT FOR 30 YEARS AND EYEWITNESS IT WAS CHANGED TO COMMERCIAL, SO CLEARLY THE MARKET RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ON THIS CORRIDOR, A LOT OF COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE, INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE BE WITH COMMERCIAL GENERAL.I PERSONALLY HAVE DONE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT REZONINGS ON STATE ROAD 16 TO TAKE THINGS TO COMMERCIAL, INCLUDING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AT 840 STATE ROAD 16.
AND I'M ALSO DOING ANOTHER PROJECT IN THE AREA, A 40-ACRE COMMERCIAL PROJECT. SO THERE IS ADEQUATE COMMERCIAL, CL AND CLEARLY I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS MORE MARKET DEMAND. THE TIME IS RITE FOR THE NEED FOR MORE DIVERSIFIED HOUSING OPTIONS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, AND I THINK WE ALSO SAW THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE US DESCRIBE THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S AVAILABLE AT THE OUTLET MALL, ACROSS THE STREET. THERE'S CURRENT ENTITLEMENTS TAKING PLACE DOWN TO ROAD THAT AREN'T TAKING AWAY COMMERCIAL.
THERE'S 95,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL DOWN THE STREET IN THE FERBER PUD THAT'S GOING TO REMAIN, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL STILL THERE.
AND RECENTLY, VERY RECENTLY YOU SAW THE MISSION TRACE SHOPPING CENTER FINALLY COP TO FRUITION AS FAR AS ALL OF ITS OUT-PARCELS BEING DEVELOPED. I BELIEVE, AND I'VE GONE THROUGH THE CAR WASH THERE, BUT THOSE TWO REMAINING -- THERE ARE OUT-PARCELS THAT WERE THERE WERE RECENTLY WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS COMPLETED AND FINISHED. SOS THAT IS AN INDICATOR OF COMMERCIAL IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AS FAR AS THE MA AND PA AND OUT-PARCEL. I FEEL THIS IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE IN THE AREA.
AND AS YOU SAW BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S OWN COMPATIBILITY MAP, IT WILL SHOWED OTHER LIKE MULTI-FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IN THE AREA. AND, OF COURSE, TO BE COMPATIBLE DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE EXACT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACTLY LIKE SOMETHING ELSE. IT JUST MEANS WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS, HOW ARE THEY ASSESSED AND WHAT IS THE COMPATIBILITY OF IT. SO I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL COMING ONLINE IN THE COUNTY, SO IF THAT QUESTION WERE ASKED, I'D SAY IT'S BEEN HERE FOR 30 PLUS YEARS AS COMMERCIAL AND IT'S BEEN UNPRODUCT OF EXCEPT FOR A HOMELESS CAMP THAT WAS ON IT, THAT ACTUALLY THE COLLEGE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION ON EXACTLY WHAT HAD TAKEN PLACE THERE AND THE EFFORTS TO GET THEM OUT OF THERE. SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY HOW I WOULD ADDRESS THAT. WE REALLY HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL IN PLAY RIGHT NOW IN THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY ALONG THIS CORRIDOR. WHAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, AND I THINK YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT, WAS MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS SPECIFICALLY FOR RENT APARTMENTS ALONG THIS CORRIDOR.
THERE'S OTHERS IN DIFFERENT AREAS IN BIG GIANT MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY BUT THERE'S NOT IN THIS AREA.
AS A MATTER OF FACT WEEK YOU CAN GO TO APARTMENTS.COM AND LOOK IT UP AND TRY TO FIND APARTMENTS IN THIS AREA AND THERE AREN'T MANY AT ALL. THERE ARE THREE OR FOUR MAYBE IN THIS ENTIRE REGION ALONG STATE ROAD 16.
IT'S A VERY DESIRABLE AREA AND IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL. AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID, THE RESIDENTIAL IS COMPATIBLE. I THINK EACH FOLKS THAT HAVE TESTIFIED HERE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE AND THEY'RE HERE TODAY AGAIN HAVE SAID THEY'RE NOT OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL GOING THERE. IT'S MAYBE JUST THE TYPE OR THE DENSITY AND THE NUMBERS. AND SO RESIDENTIAL IS A COMPATIBLE USE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND SO ESSENTIALLY THAT'S HOW I'D FRAME IT BACK TO COUNTY COMMISSION.
>> OKAY. YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS HAS BEEN UNPRODUCT OF FOR 30 YEARS. -- UNPRODUCTIVE.
YOU JUST ADDRESSED THAT IN ANSWER TO A LONGTIME CONSERVATION ECOLOGIST, AND I THINK HAVING PHOTOSYNTHESIS OCCUR THAT PRODUCES OXYGEN AND SEQUESTERS CARBON DIOXIDE IS NOT UNPLUSKT, SO WE HAVE -- UNPRODUCTIVE SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF THAT BUT I WOULD JUST POINT THAT OUT.
THAT'S NOT A QUESTION. I NOTE THERE'S NO WORKFORCE HOUSING BUT YOU DO SAY THERE'S INCENTIVES FOR LOCAL PREFERREDS BUSINESSES. COULD YOU JUST DESCRIBE WHAT
THOSE INCENTIVES ARE. >> YEAH, I HAVE THE EXECUTIVE MANAGER, DIRECTOR HERE FROM THE MADISON CAPITAL AS WELL THAKS OPINE ON THAT MORE, BUT WE WERE GOING TO OFFER SOME DISCOUNTS ON THE APPLICATION FEES AND KIND OF MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PALATABLE ARE FOR WE, AND FAMILIES TO RELIED IN THIS COMMUNITY. DO I WANT TO EXPLAIN IT
MORESOME. >> DAFN, DODD BLAIKLEY I'M THE EXECUTIVE MANAGING DIRECTOR OR MADISON CAPITAL GROUP 1095ES WITH MORRIS BFD SUITE WITH THE ONE WINNER PARK 32789.
THANK YOU GUYS HERE FOR YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, REGARDING KIND OF INCENTIVES HERE, SO WE'RE DOING -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR THE RECORD IT'S CLEAR, WE'RE DOING MARKET RATE APARTMENTS HERE.
THESE ARE CLASS A MARKET RATE APARTMENTS.
WE'RE OFFERING A DIVERSE UNIT MIX HERE, SO ONE, TWO, THREE BEDROOM FLOOR PLANS WITH ALSO TOWNHOME UNITS HERE AS WELL.
AS BRAD ALLUDED TO EARLIER BE WE HAVE A COMBINATION OF SURFACE
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PARNLG FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND GARAGES AS WELL.GARAGES ARE USED AS YOU CAN IMAGINE FOR A COMBINATION CAR PARKING AND FORE STORAGE. KIND OF BOTH USES.
BUT, YEAH, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE OFFER A LOT OF OUR OTHER POTENTIAL TENANTS AND RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT THE REST OF OUR COMMUNITIES, WE OFFER INCENTIVES FOR MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES, EMPLOYERS THAT ARE LARGE EMPLOYERS IN THE AREA, AND FIRST RESPONDERS AS WELL, SO THAT INCLUDES -- IT VARIES DEPENDING UPON KIND OF THE LOCATION, BUT IT'S MAINLY WAIVING OF APPLICATION FEES. WE HAVEN'T REALLY WHITTLED DOWN TO EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT NOW BUT THERE WILL BE INCENTIVES HERE THAT ARE GOING TO HELP MORE WORKFORCE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA TO LIVE-IN FILL IN A LOCATION LIKE THIS.
>> SO WHAT'S A TYPICAL APPLICATION FEE FOR ONE OF YOUR
APARTMENTS? >> IT VARIES, THAT'S USUALLY A
COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS. >> I BELIEVE Y'ALL SAID $75 LAST
TIME. >> I DON'T RECALL WHAT WE SAID LAST TIME BUT IT VARIES FROM PROPERTY TO PROPERTY.
>> SO TO ME THAT'S NOT MUCH OF AN INCENTIVE.
BUT IT'S GOING TO BE MARKET RATE FOR THE RENT.
ING WHY, YOU SAID THE HEIGHT AND DENSITY.
THIS IS WHAT BRAD SAID, HEIGHT AND DENSITY IS TYPICAL TO THE AREA. I DROVE UP AND DOWN STATE ROAD 16 FROM US-1 TO A COUPLE MILES, DIDN'T GET ALL THE WAY TO I-95, AND I KNOW YOU CITED SOME THINGS THAT ARE MAYBE BUILT IN THE FUTURE. OR THAT WERE APPROVED.
I SAW NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL LIKE THIS EXCEPT THE FLORIDA CLUB THERE IN ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE, AND BUT NOTHING ALONG STATE ROAD 16 OR NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE NORTHEAST, WEST, SOUTH OF THERE THAT IS THIS HEIGHT AND DENSITY, SO I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IS TYPICAL FOR THE AREA, SO MAYBE YOU'D LIKE TO TELL ME WHERE. AND DON'T CITE FERBER AGAIN.
WE TURNED THAT DOWN. IT WAS A 2-2 VOTE AND IT GOT TURNED DOWN. I GUESS IT IS GOING TO GO TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION. BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ON TRACK, SO MAYBE YOU CAN JUST TELL ME WHERE -- AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SHOW THAT SLIDE AGAIN.
JUST WITHIN A COUPLE MILE RAID JUST RADIUS BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE WERE SPECULATIVE.
>> FIRST ONE THAT COMES TO MIND IS STRATFORD MILL WHICH IS ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE OUTLET CENTER AND IS A THREE-STORY PROJECT. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE -- THAT'S OFF-STATE ROAD 16 SO YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM STATE ROAD 16.
THERE'S ANOTHER MULTI-FAMILY COMMUNITY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF STATE ROAD 16 THAT IS I BELIEVE THREE STORIES AT A MINIMUM.
I'VE DONE MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS FOR 16 YEARS HERE THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND GARDEN STYLE COMMUNITIES, WHICH ARE THREE AND FOUR STORY IN SIZE, FEATURE MAINLY SURFACE PARKING, THAT'S KIND OF TYPICAL DESIGN FOR THOSE SORT OF PRODUCTS.
WE'RE CURRENTLY A STAKEHOLDER IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
WE ARE GETTING READY TO START CONSTRUCTION ON A SITE IN THE FOUNTAINSPD. THAT'S LOCATED A CROORD 210 AND 95. WE'RE BUILDING A FOUR-STORY RIGHT THERE AND IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE BEACH WALK COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE DOING 276 UNITS THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO START CONSTRUCTION ON AS WELL. SO THAT'SY RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT PROJECT. IT'S A MIXED USE PROJECT AS WELL. WE'VE GOT COMPATIBILITY WITH LIKE KIND USES AROUND US AND WALKABILITY.
I WOULD SAY THAT OUR LOCATION HERE ON STATE ROAD 16 IS EVEN MORE INFILL THAN THAT LOCATION. SO, YOU KNOW, BESIDES THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO US WHICH IS THREE STORY, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER EXAMPLES, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU SPECIFIC
I JUST DIDN'T SEE THIS KIND OF DENSITY ANYWHERE NEARBY DRIVING AROUND LATE THIS AFTERNOON -- OR LATE THIS MORNING, EARLY AFTERNOON. LET'S SEE.
I'VE GOT SOME MORE HERE. YOU SAID, BRAD, THAT STATE ROAD 313 IS GOING TO BE -- CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO START ON THAT SOON WAS YOUR WORD, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS WRITTEN UP THERE. WHAT IS SOON? I THINK I ASKED THAT LAST TIME AND JAN TRANTHAM INDICATED IT
AS FAR AS SOON, I DON'T HAVE A DATE FOR YOU.
I DON'T. I'M RECITING THE MINUTES, BUT THE FIRST LEG IS FUNDED, AND SO SOON, I UNDERSTOOD THAT TO BE
THIS YEAR OR EARLY NEXT YEAR. >> OH.
OKAY. >> AS FAR AS THE FUNDING.
THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T HAVE -- UNLESS --
>> SHE JUST STOOD UP THERE SO MAYBE SHE COULD SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO BE
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THAT QUICKLY OCCURRING. WHILE SHE'S COMING UP, MAYBE I COULD ASK A QUESTION FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.I SAW A MEMO THAT YOU HAD WRITTEN DESCRIBING SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO -- FOR VARUS WHY PEOPLE TO BECOME MORE INFORMED ABOUT THE COMP PLAN AND ALL THAT, AND IN THAT IT STATED THAT IF THERE'S A REZONING, WHICH THIS IS, THAT THE BOARD CANNOT RELY ON THE COMP PLAN POLICY 8.
1.2.5 WHICH HAS TO DO WITH IF THINGS ARE NOT FUNDED IN A VIABLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND SO FORTH, THAT WE CANNOT USE, THAT THIS BOARD, I ASSUME THE COUNTY COMMISSION AS WELL, COULD NOT USE THAT TO DENY AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING IF, IF THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO PAY A PROPORTION AT FAIR SHARE, WHICH THEY ARE, OF 800 AND I BELIEVE IT WAS 78.
THEY CHANGED THAT -- THEY UPPED IT 7,000 FROM WHAT WAS IN OUR APPLICATION. SO COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT,
>> AND SORRY, JAN, TO HOLD YOU UP THERE.
>> SURE. CHRISTINE VALLIERE SENIOR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR THE RECORD.
THE POLICY YOU'RE CITING I BELIEVE PERTAINS SPECIFICALLY TO
COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS. >> BUT 8.2.1.5.
>> THAT APPLIES TOO COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS.
THERE IS A DIFFERENT REVIEW CRITERIA FOR REZONINGS AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE CONCURRENCY STATUTE WHICH TALKS ABOUT PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE FOR TRANSPORTATION DEFICIENCIES AND MITIGATING THOSE DEFICIENCIES. THERE'S A PARTIAL PREEMPTION IN THAT STATUTE SUCH THAT FOR A REZONING OR DEVELOPMENT ORDER DRI, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE DRIS ANYMORE, BUT FOR THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT -- BASIS TO DENY A REZONING REQUEST.
>> AS A SOLE BASIS. >> AS A SOLE BASIS.
SO THE BOARD, PZA COULD LOOK ON OTHER ISSUES OF COMPATIBILITY AND SAFETY AND PUBLIC BENEFIT TO SUPPORT A DENIAL.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. SO WHAT I SEE HERE, THOUGH, IS JUST ON HOLMES BOULEVARD, AND I DROVE UP HOLMES BOULEVARD TODAY FROM 207 ON THE TWO DEFICIENT SEGMENTS THERE -- I DIDN'T GO ON FOUR MILE BUT IT WAS PACKED. I COULD SEE ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE TURNING LEFT ON THAT AND COMING OUT ONTO 16 WHEN I WAS FURTHER WEST ON 16. BUT, AND I KNOW THAT'S ANECDOTAL. BUT JUST DRIVING UP THOSE CROWD SEGMENTS ADVERSELY IMPACTED SEGMENTS, AND IT WAS PACKED WITH TRACK OF TODAY AT ABOUT 12:45, I DID NOTE THAT -- I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT THERE. THAT'S GREAT.
OKAY. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO STOP ON THAT ONE. LOST.
OH, THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE TO ME IS NOT WORKING.
WE'VE GOT $34 MILLION NEED JUST ON THOSE TWO SEGMENTS OF HOLMES BOULEVARD, AND THAT DOESN'T -- THAT'S NOT INCLUDING FOUR MILE ROAD, THAT SEGMENT OF FOUR MILE ROAD WEST-NORTHWEST OF THERE.
SO THEY'RE OFFERING A PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE OF $878,000. MEET A $34 MILLION NEED NEARLY, AND SO TO ME SOMETHING NOT WORKING.
I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE. THIS IS NOT NEW WHAT I'M SAYING.
PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE IS JUST NOT WORKING FOR THIS COUNTY IN GETTING OUR ROADS UP TO STANDARDS AND HAVING TRAFFIC FLOW. SO WITH THAT, I'D LOVE TO LEAR
ABOUT STATE ROAD 313. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, JAN TRAN THAT MANY SENIOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
THE FIRST PORTION, AND I APOLOGIZE.
I HAVE ALLERGIES. >> THAT'S FINE.
>> STROORD 313 FROM 207 TO HOLMES BOULEVARD IS IN THE CURRENTER I DO NOT OF THE FDOT WORK PLAN.
THEY HAVE FULLY FUNDED. THEY HAVE DESIGN PLANS AT 100%.
SO CONSTRUCTION COULD START ANY TIME TECHNICALLY, BUT THAT IS IN THEIR HANDS AS TO WHEN THEY GET THE CONTRACTORS AND EVERYTHING
ONBOARD. >> SO THAT'S OUT OF THE COUNTY'S
>> AND THEY OF A RIGHT-OF-WAY PROCUREDSOME.
>> ALL OF RIGHT-OF-WAY IS DONE. EVERYTHING IS READY TO GO.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. APPRECIATE THAT.
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GOOD ANSWER. LET ME LOOK AT A COUPLE OTHERS HERE. LET'S SEE.I ASKED THOSE. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND STOP MAI QUESTIONING NOW, BUT I DO HAVE SOME OTHER COMMENTS.
ONE IS KIND OF PETTY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND IT'S REALLY PETTY. I HATE TO EVEN BRING IT P.
BUT Y'ALL USED A SOIL SURVEY FROM DUVAL COUNTY TO SITE, AND I KNOW THAT WAS PROBABLY JUST A CUT AND PASTE ERROR.
HATE TO BRING THAT UP, BUT -- SO THAT JUST WAS ODD AND OFF.
ANYWAY, THANKS FOR ALL THOSE ANSWERS AND I APPRECIATE IT.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. AND AS FAR AS THE SOIL, WE WILL CLEARLY -- I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE SOIL, AS FAR AS THE COMMENT IS CONCERNED, THAT WILL GO THROUGH FULL GEOTECHNICAL EVALUATION UPON THE ENGINEERING AS FAR AS THE NEXT STEPS.
YOU WANT TO EVALUATE WHERE THE POND IS GOING SPECIFICALLY AND WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE FOR THERE, YOUR PARKING SURFACE, YOUR LOAD BEAING, ALL THAT OTHER STUFF, THE BUILDING FOOGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO HAVEOFF YOU HAVE OFF FULL GEOTECH EXPLORATION.
I BELIEVE WHAT OUR CIVIL ENGINEER CITED WAS THE OVERARCHING SOIL COSTINGVATION MAPS AND WHAT'S OUT THERE, WHAT'S AVAILABLE OUT THERE, IN ADDITION TO OUR WETLAND SCIENT
WORKING THE PRO SPECIFICALLY. >> ASK SINCE YOU PROPERTY THAT UP THAT REMINDS MOAF SOMETHING I DID NOT WRITE DOWN AND THAT IS YOU STATED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS IS PRESERVATION OF CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES IN THE WETLAND YET TWO-THIRDS OF THE WET DOLLARSLANDS OUT THERE, 66% OR SO, YOU'RE GOING TO FILL IN, SO TO MY PRESERVING A THIRD AND FILLING IN TWO-THIRDS IS NOT REALLY THAT GREAT OF A TOUTING OF PRESERVATION OF CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS.
>> MOST OF THOSE ARE ISOLATED WETLANDS, AND SO THEY'RE UNDER A DIFFERENT PERMITTING AVENUE WITH FDEP.
SO WHAT WE ARE PRESERVING IS THE FINGER THAT RUNS DOWN AND IS CONNECTED ON WATERS OF THE STATE, JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS.
VERY COMMON PRACTICE TO FILL IN ISOLATED WETLANDS, AND AS NOTED IN THE RECENTLY APPROVAL FOR THE 240 UNITS DOWN THE STREET IN ARLINGTON, THEY'RE NO KEEPING ONE WETLAND ON THE PROPERTY.
>> I KNOW. I DON'T BELIEVE I VOTED FOR THAT. ANYWAY, THANK YOU.
THAT WAS A GOOD PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.
I'M SORRY. MR. WILSON, YOU'RE UP NEXT.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
CAN YOU PUT YOUR SLIDE UP, THE DIAGRAM YOU HAD IN YOUR
LETE ME BACK UP. WHICH SLIDE, SIR IN.
>> THE ONE OF THE ACTUAL GUY DIAGRAM OF THE SITE PLAN, OF THE 238. UP ONE.
THERE YOU GO. SO WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOL BELLS, INC. ARING AT 3:45 AND HIGH SCHOOL KIDS, BE W. DO YOU FORESEE THAT A PROBLEM WITH A BUS GOING THROUGH AND AND FINDING A BUS STOP IN THE AFTERNOONS?
>> I DO NOT. >> WHAT WOULD YOUR IDEA BE?
>> I DON'T HAVE AN IDEA OF BUS ROUTE.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS PLANNED FOR THAT SPECIFIC AREA YET.
THAT'S OUT OF MY PURVIEW AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL BOARD.
THE SCHOOL BOARD GOVERNS THAT AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL ROUTE FOR THE SCHOOL TRANSPORTATION. SO I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU ON WHERE A SCHOOL BUS STOP WOULD BE.
>> I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. TWO.
BUT IT MIGHT BE ONE. DID YOU EVER IN THE PURCHASE OF THIS PROPERTY, DID YOU EVER CONSIDER A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT? DOES YOUR COMPANY DO ANY
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTSOME. >> TODD BLAKELEY, 1095 WEST MORRIS BLK WINTER PARK MYOCARDIAL INFARCTION 3278 234-7B. WELL, WE HAVE.
WE DO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE DONE THAT THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEAST EF-E. HERE. WE HAVE EVALUATED THAT.
WE REALLY THINK APARTMENTS HERE ARE A MUCH MORE COMPATIBLE USE WHICH IS WHY WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT WITH THEIST ANDING USES THAT ARE AROUND HERE AND A LOT OF THINGS BRAD ALLUDED TO EARLIER, WE DID LOOK AT POTENTIALLY TRYING TO ADD COMMERCIAL TO THIS IN SOME OF OUR EARLY CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, BUT IT JUST DID NOT WORK WITH THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE AND WE HAD OTHER KIND OF FINANCIAL REASONS FOR THAT AS WELL. BUT WE DID LOOK AT THAT.
I WILL SAY WE OWN THIS SITE. WE'RE THE IN DEVELOPMENT IN THET BUSINESS. WE ARE GOING TO DEVELOP THIS SITE. IT IS OUR INTENT DOAFL THIS.
WE HAVE STAKE HOARLTDZ, PRINCIPALS AND INVESTORS THAT WE
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HAVE TO ADD HOO TO. WE JUST REALLY THINK THAT MULTI-FAMILY HERE IS A MUCH MORE COMPATIBLE USE FOR THIS AREA, MORE SO THAN A LARGE COMMERCIAL PROJECT.>> AND IF I MAY ADD SOMETHING TO THAT, BRAD WESTER, DRIVER MCAFEE. A COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER RIGHT NOW THERE'S CURRENT DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS FOR 175,000 SQUARE FEET WHICH INCLUDES KIND OF --
>> IT I ACTUALLY WASN'T REFERRING TO A COMMERCIAL STRIP MALL. I WAS REFERRING MORE TO AN OFFICE BUILDINGS TO ATTRACT MORE TRUE BUSINESS TO THE COUNTY. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE STRIP
THAT WOULD -- I BELIEVE THIS -- I'D HAVE TO LOOK CLOSER AT THAT BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS ONLY PERMITTED FOR A COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER WITH OUT-PARCELS.
>> WE HAVE NOT EVALUATED IT FROM AN OFFICE STANDPOINT AT ALL.
>> THANK YOU. >> THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC PARAMETERS AND CONDITIONS ADOPTED THE 1989 ORDINANCE FOR
>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT MR. PETER JUST ASKED, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED SINGLE FAMILY
RESIDENTIAL FOR THIS PROPERTY? >> NO, SIR.
>> WE'RE IN THE MULTI-FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL AND SELF-STORAGE BUSINESS. THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
WE'RE NOT IN THE MULTI-DID EXCUSE ME -- THE SINGLE FAMILY FOR SALE BUSINESS. AGAIN, WE'RE DOING 218 THREE-STORY MULTIPLY FULL NAME UNITS.
WE'RE PROVIDING A MIX OF TWO-STORY TOWNHOMES AS WELL.
SO LIKE I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S KIND OF A VERY BROAD MIX TO APPEAL TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPE OF PEOPLE, WORKERS HERE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, BUT WE DID NOT LOOK AT THIS AT ALL FROM
A FEE SIMPLE SALES STANDPOINT. >> OKAY.
>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT.
LET'S MOVE TO THE PUBLIC SPEAKING.
>> SPEAKER CARDS. CHUCK LABANOWKSI.
>> SO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
>> CHUCK LABANOWKSI NOW SKI 71748 NORTH CAPPERO.
TO SAY 495 VEHICLES ENTERS MORRISY ROAD IS NOT GOING TO BE A DETRIMENT TO THAT AREA IS IS KIND OF SURPRISING.
THERE ARE TWO ENTRANCES AND EXITS, BUT THE MAJORITY THAT OF TRAFFIC, BECAUSE IMLIEWRT GOING TO BE ABLE TO A LEFT-HAND TURN OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY, IS GOING TO GO OUT ONTO MORES MORRISON AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO THAT GROCERY STORE NOW WITH THE CURRENT TRAFFIC. I'VE BEEN ON THAT RHODA NUMBER TIMES. THE OTHER THING AND DR. HILSENBECK, YOU ALREADY BROUGHT IT UP, TWO-THIRDS OF OFE WETLANDS IS GOING TO BE GONE IF THIS IS DONE AND THAT'S A BIG CONCERN RIGHT NOW WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION WITH WITH OUR AQUIFER AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO AFFECT.
WE'VE GOT TO SLOW THINGS DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
AS FAR AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GOING RATE. I'M LOOKING AT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX NOW ON 16 16. A THREE BEDROOM IS $2,800 RENT RIGHT NOW. TO SAY THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A DISCOUNT TO THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND SO FORTH, A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS IS NOTHING.
WE NEED SOMEBODY MORE SUBSTANTIAL FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE'VE GOT TO DO THAT.
WE'VE GOT TO HOLD ONTO OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, THE POLICE, THE EMTS, THE TEACHERS. I CAN GIVE A GOOD INFLOW OF TEACHERS LEAVING THIS AREA BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. MOVE TO DUVAL.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE, EITHER.
SO WE'RE TRAINING PEOPLE HERE IN THIS COUNTY BUT THEY'RE LEAVING FOR BETTER PLACES. THAT SAME COUPLE, BOTH OF THEM TEACHERS, TOOK OFF TO ALASKA. THEY'RE TEACHING UP THERE AT ALMOST TWICE THE SALARY. 'SE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MOYER EXPENSIVE TO LIVE UP THERE BUT THEY CAN AFFORD HOUSING UP THERE. SO I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT WE'RE WA DOING AS FAR AS AFFORDABLE TYPE HOUSING.
>> NEXT WE HAVE RON BROWN. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD,
RON BROWN, 71 SOUTH DIXIE HIGHWAY, ST. AUGUSTINE.
I'M HERE TODAY AS A LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE TRUSTEES OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY DISLEJ. WITH ME ODD IS OUR COLLEGE PRESIDENT I DON'T PICK EXENS OUR COLLEGE SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT DR. MELANIE BROWN. THEY WILL NOT BE SPEAKING.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THINK IT THREE MINUTES.
WHEN I WAS TURNING IN MY SPEAKER CARD TERESA, I TOLD HER I HAD THIS VERY STRIEFNG YOGI BERRA DAGE HAVE YOU ALL OVER AGAIN.
BEEN HERE THREE TIMES NOW LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT AND EXAIS I. BASICALLY THE ARGUMENT HAVE BEEN THE SAME FOR THE THREE TIMESSERS AND I DON'T KNOW EXCEPT FOR THE TWO REDUCTIONS IN THE EXCEPTIONS REQUESTED THAT MUCH HAS BEEN DONE.
THEY STARTED OFF THINKING ABOUT 60 FEET.
THEY REDUCE TODAY 45 FEET WHICH IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
OUR CONCERNS HOWEVER REMAIN THE SAME.
THEY BASICALLY REMAIN UNDER ADDRESS.
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NUMBER ONE HAS TO DO WITH AND MR. HILSENBECK WHEN WE WERE HERE TO THE FERBER PRESENTATION I MADE A COMMENT THAT I WAS GOING TO PICKY BACK ON YOU. I'M GOING TO DO IT AGAIN.I, TOO, ROVE DROVE TODAY FROM THE OUTLET MALL TO STATE ROAD 16. THERE JUST ISN'T ANYTHING ON IT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT APPROACHES THE DENSITY AND THE HEIGHT AND THE INTENSITY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
APPLICANT IS TRYING TO ARGUE WELL, THE FERBER DEVELOPMENT IS COMING AND THE COLLEGE PROPERTY OVER ON STATE ROAD 7 ON OS YELLOW'S ROAD ARE COMING AND THOSE WERE CHANGE DID NEIGHBORHOOD BUT HE PULLED HIMSELF UP BY HIS OWN BOOTSTRAPS WITH THAT ARGUMENT. IT'S NOT THERE.
HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET. IF HE'S ANGER LET'S HAVE THIS INTENSITY WITH THIS LEVEL OF HEIGHT IN THE FUTURE AND THEREFORE WE'LL CREATE A NEW CHARACTER AND DEVELOPMENTAL SCHEME FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S THERE NOW, AND THIS IS A CHANCE WHERE THIS BOARD, THE COUNTY COMMISSION IS GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT KIND OF COUNTY DO WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE, WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT DO WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE, WHAT KIND OF INTENSITY DO WE WANT TO HAVE, AND ARE WE GOING TO PROTECT THE USES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
I THINK FROM OUR STANDPOINT AND KEEPING THIS INTENSITY UNDER SOME KIND OF CONTROL, SCEEPG THE STREETSCAPES AND TRAFFIC UNDERIOL IS ESSENTIAL IS ON WHAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO.
THE SECOND ISSUE THE COLLEGE HAD IS RELATIVELY MINOR A THIS POINT I THINK BUT IT'S STILL THERE. THE CURRENTLY AROUND THE COLLEGE THE PINE TREES THAT APPLICANT MENTIONED TO EXIST ON NORTH SIDE OF THE COLLEGE PROPERTY BUT ON THE WEST END OF THE PROPERTY IT'S VERY, VERY THIN BACK THERE AND YOU CAN SEE THROUGH TO THE PROPERTY. WE DO NEED SOME PROTECTION FROM THE VISIBILITY IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
MOST OF THE COLLEGE ADMINISTRATION BUILDINGS AND CLASSROOMS ARE AT THAT END OF CAMPUS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME PROTECTION FOR THAT OVERSIGHT BECAUSE THERE ARE GOIBILITY 45-FOOT BUILDINGS THERE AND VERY LITTLE IN THE THE WAY OF REG VEGETATION TO PROTECT.
IT THE LAST AREA HAS TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS ON ENGTD ROAD. WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY EVIDENCED THE LEDGE'S CONCERN REGARDING THE USE COLLEGE ROAD WHICH ONCE THROUGH THE COLLEGE CAMPUS AS AN TENCH FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO GET ONTO KENTON MORRISON OR 16 AND GO VARIOUS DIRECTIONS THAT AREN'T EAST. IF YOU WANT TO GO NORTHWEST AND SOUTH, YOUR BASIC WAY TO GET IN IDENTITY PROPOSAL SPROAJ GOING TO BE ON KENTON MORRISON. IF YOU TRY TO GO OUT ON US-STATE ROAD 16, YOU'RE BASICALLY GOING TO GO EAST, SO WE NEED SOME PROTECTION ON KENTON MORRISON. THE COLLEGE WOULD PREFER TO SEENING FOUR-LANED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FOUR MILE.
MARJORIE MARTIN. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD,
PLEASE. >> MARJORIE MARTIN, 44 MISSION COVE CIRCLE, ST. AUGUSTINE. I AM ALSO SECRETARY OF MISSION TRACE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. HERE WE ARE AGAIN.
WELL, MR. WEFORTS ACQUIESCED IN THE SETBACK AND PARK RECREATION WAIVERS, IN DOING SO HE HAS ELIMINATED ALMOST HALF AN ACRE OF A MAJOR WETLAND FINGER. 450E HAS GIVEN UP NOTHING AND HAS IGNORED THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, DENSITY.
DENSITY IS CALCULATED AT IT NEARLY 15-YEAR-OLD OR OLDER RATE OF 2.44 RESIDENTS PER UNIT. IN SPITE OF A 43% INCREASE IN COUNTY POPULATION OVER RECENT TEN-YEAR PERIOD.
DENSITY COULD BE CALCULATE AT 2.77 CENSUS RATE, A FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE FROM 2016 TO '20 OR A ONE-YEAR MORE RECENT CENSUS, 3.16 RESIDENTS PER HOUSEHOLD. NO MATTER HOW DENSITY IS CALCULATED, AREA POPULATION IS AFFECTED.
BUILDING HEIGHT, CONSIDERING THE FILL REQUIRED TO EVEN MORE WETLANDS, CHANGES THE LANDSCAPE TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE COMMUNITY. FERBER 16 AND MADISON ARE JOINED AT THE HIP, ALTHOUGH SEPARAE PROPOSALS, BUT WE WILL BE WALKING HAND IN HAND TO COUNTY COMMISSION ON 4 OCTOBER.
ONE 405 UNITS FROM FERBER AND 238 WHEN MADISON 1 WHEN THEY ARE COMBINED, THERE IS A POPULATION ANYWHERE FROM 1,569 TO 2,032 OR MORE DEPENDING ON THE CALCULATIONS USED.
THE INCREASE IN POPULATION BY TWO PROJECTS SPRAIPPED SEPARATED BY ONE BLOCK, NOT TO MENTION ADDITIONAL VEHICLES REQUIRED TO ENABLE RESIDENTS TO TRAVEL TO AND FROM WORK, ADDS GREATLY TON A AREA WITH VERY LIMITED PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
THE SHOPS AT MISSION TRACE HAVE ONLY 228 PARKING SPACES WITH A SMALL PUBLIX THAT CAN BARELY FEED THE CURRENT RESIDENTS RESIDING IN THE AREA. A DECISION FOR ONE OR THE OTHER
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PROJECT SHOULD NOT BE AS IF THE OTHER DOESN'T OR WON'T EXIST.THIS NAME IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO READ BECAUSE THE WRITING.
MICHAEL SPADE? IS THAT CORRECT? NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
SORRY MR. FOR MY HANDWRITING. >> THAT'S FINE.
>> UNCOMFORTABLE I FAILED HANDWRITING IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL APPARENTLY. HI.
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MIKE SPAYED BY ADDRESS IS STWNT 1 MISSION TRACE RIVE HERE IN SARATOGA.
I'VE BEEN AY GREN ST. AUGUSTINE. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF MISSION TRACE FOR THE LAST 13 YEARS. I AM NOT AGAINST GROWTH ABOUT THE BELIEVE GROWTH SHOULD BE BOTH SMART AND SAFE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS EITHER FOR THIS LOCATION. THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROAD 16 AND KENTON MORRISON IS ALREADY OVERLY CONGESTED AND DANGEROUS. DUMPING ANOTHER 500 PLUS CARS DRIVING IN AND IDENTITY THIS INTERSECTION OR ON FOUR MILE ROAD ISN'T SMART OR SAFE FOR THIS COMMUNITY OR THE OTHER SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. COORDINATING TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS IN APRIL, THE ROADS CLOSE TOTES SITE ARE ALREADY OVERLEDDED AND CONSIDERED CRITICAL OR DEFICIENT. THIS ALSO COMES INTO PLAY BEFORE SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED SINCE THEN UP ON 16. FOUR MILE ROAD FROM HOLMES TO STATE ROAD 16 IS DEFICIENT 151% OF CAPACITY.
HOLMES ROAD-207 TO WEST KING DEFICIENT WP 173% OF CAPACITY.
STATE ROAD 16 TO WOODLAWN 98% CAPACITY.
HOLMES ROAD FROM -- SORRY -- FROM WEST KING TO FOUR MILE ROAD CRITICAL 97% OF CAPACITY. KENTON MORRISON FOUR MILE ROAD TO STATE ROAD IS SCRD OKAY NOW, 81% OF CAPACITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT FIRST OF ALL A LOT OF PEOPLE TRAVELING, AS YOU KNOW, YOU STATED IT EARLIER, SIR, WHO WANT TO GO WEST TOWARD 95 OR TO PUBLIX OR -- 95, I'M SORRY, THEY GET OFF OF HOLMES. THEY TURN ON FOUR MILE ROAD, AND THAT'S WHY FOUR MILE ROAD IS LIKE A PARKING LOT AFTER 3:00 IN AFTERNOON STYMES. SOMETIMES.
ALL IT WOULD TAKE FOR KENTON MORRISON TO BECOME CRITICAL IS ANOTHER 130 IN PEAK TRAFFIC HOURS.
ALSO, AGAIN TO PIGGYBACK WHAT THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE COLLEGE SAID, MOST PEOPLE, THE ENTRANCE AT KENTON MORRISON THEY CALL SECONDARY. WELL, IN REALITY WE DON'T KNOW THAT. DEPENDING WHERE PEOPLE LIVE, WHERE THEY'RE WORKING, WHO IS GOING TO WANT TO GO EAST TO GO WEST, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, WHICH IS CUT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, GET ON KENTON MORRISON IF THEY WANT TO GO WEST ON 16. WE'RE ALREADY SEEING IN IT OUR COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE GET FRUSTRATED WITH TRAFFIC ON KENTON MORRISON AT THE PUBLIC ENTRANCES, AND WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY DON'T SIT THERE AND WAIT. THEY CUT THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT, USUALLY SPEEDING, AND THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THAT.
IT'S JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET WORSE IF WE ADD MORE TRAFFIC TO THAT INTERSECTION. FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY I'M RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT YOU DO NOT APPROVE THIS PRESIDENTIAL AS IS. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST MODIFICATIONS TO REDUCE THE DENSITY OF THE PREJ AND REMOVE THE ENTRANCE AND ACCESS POINTS ON ENGTD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
>> TERRANCE O'LEARY, AND I SEE THAT IT SAYS THERE'S A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION INVOLVED.
IS THAT CORRECT? >> THERE IT IS.
>> STATE MY NAME IS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, SIR.
>> STATE YOUR NAME TERRANCE O'LEARY I LIVE AT 308 MISSION TRACE DRIVE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC EMANATING FROM THIS PROPOSED APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THE INCREASED POPULATION DENSITY.
TOGETHER THESE THINGS WILL DECREASE THE VALUE OF OUR HOMES.
IT WILL ALSO EXACERBATE THE OVERCROWDING AND TEACHER SHORTAGE OF THE LOCAL SCHOOLS. THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION FOR YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN AND OUR CHURN AND GRANDCHILDREN ARE AT RISK. -- CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN ARE AT RISK. STATE ROAD 16 IS ALREADY APPROACHING THE MAXIMUM TRAFFIC LEVELS FOR WHICH IT WAS DESIGNED. WE ARE THE ON VERGE OF TRAS DRASTICALLY INCREASING THAT TRAFFIC LEVEL.
A 240 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX ON STATE ROAD 16 NEAR I-95 HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. IT WILL ADD MORE TRAFFIC TO STATE ROAD 16. WHAT USED TO BE THE OUTLET MALL IS CURRENTLY PLANNING TO BECOME ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX.
IT WILL ALSO ADD MORE TRAFFIC TO STATE ROAD 16.
A JUNCTION IS PLANNED CONNECTING STATE ROAD 16 WITH THE NEW STATE ROAD 313. IT WILL ALSO ADD MORE TRAFFIC TO STATE ROAD 16. WITH ALL OF THIS, STATE ROAD 16 WILL SOON BE GROSSLY IN EXCESS OF ITS DESIGN LIMITS, AND TO
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MAKE MATTERS WORSE, IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THE MAP, THERE ARE TWO PROPOSED APARTMENT COMPLEXES IMMEDIATELY EAST AND WEST OF MISSION TRACE. I HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED -- THERE WE GO -- WITNESSED THE RESULTS OF THREE MAJOR ACCIDENTS ON OR NEAR STATE ROAD 16 DOCUMENTED COVERING THE SPAN OF TWO YEARS. IT'S AN AVERAGE OF ONE MAJOR ACCIDENT EVERY TWO YEARS, AND I KNOW THERE ARE MORE.OF THOSE PICTURED HERE, ONE INVOLVED A NEIGHBOR, ONE INVOLVED A FRIEND WHO WAS ON HER WAY TO OUR HOME, AND ONE WAS WHEN I WAS RIGHT BEHIND THE CAR AND WITNESSED THE ACCIDENT.
ACCIDENTS BECOME VERY PERSONAL VERY QUICK.
ADDING SEVERAL THOUSAND MORE CAR TRIPS PER DAY FROM THESE APPROVED AND PROPOSED APARTMENT COMPLEXES WILL ADD MANY MORE MAJOR ACCIDENTS. AND IF ANY OF YOU FRAFL ON STATE ROAD 16 -- TRAVEL ON STATE ROAD 16, THE INCREASED TRAFFIC LOAD WILL BE PUTTING YOU, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR FRIENDS AND YOUR NEIGHBORS AT AN INCREASED RISK OF A MAJOR ACCIDENT.
SOMETIMES BUILDERS PROPOSE A SMALL MODIFICATION TO THEIR PLANS TO A APPEASE CONCERNS FROM SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, HOWEVER, IF ANY PROPOSAL STILL INCLUDES A MAJOR APARTMENT COMPLEX, THE PRIMARY CONCERNS REGARDING TRAFFIC, ACCIDENT POTENTIAL AND OVERCROWDED SCHOOLS REMAINS.
PLEASE DENY THIS PROPOSAL FOR MULTI-STORIED APARTMENT HOUSES.
I THANK YOU. >> TO THAT THAT CONCLUDES T.
>> WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO OFFER ANY REBUTTAL
BRAT WEFORTS, MCAFEE. I'LL BE SOMEWHAT BRIEF.
THE REFERENCES TO OTHER PROJECTS, AND I STATED THAT ON THE RECORD, THERE ARE THOSE THAT ARE APPROVED AND BUILT AND THERE ARE THOSE THAT ARE IN REVIEW SPECIFICALLY AND PLANNED, SO I DIDN'T MINTS MINCE MY WORDS ON WHAT IS APPROVED OR WHAT IS COMING ONLINE. I SIMPLY WAS DESCRIBING ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE AREA WITH REGARD TO NOT ONLY PRANLD BUT THOSE THAT ARE APPROVED AND ENTITLED AND BUILT.
THE TRAFFIC, AS DISCUSSED BY MRE REDUCTION OF PER .6 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC FROM THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TO THE PROPOSED 2 IMLEAN APARTMENT AND 20 TOWNHOMES IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC REDUCTION.
CUT-THROUGH TRAFFIC WAS SCUS DISCUSSED.
THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS GATED AND FOR RESIDENTS ONLY, BOTH ON KENTON MORRISON AND STATE ROAD 16, SO THERE'S NO CUT-THROUGH TRAFFIC AND THERE WOULD BE NO REASON FOR ANYBODY LEAVING APARTMENT OR TOWNHOME COMMUNITY TO GET ONTO COLLEGE DRIVE, THEN TO GO TO STATE ROAD 16. THE PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE ACCESS TO EACH ROAD JUST LIKE THE COLLEGE HAS ACCESS, JUST LIKE THE FHP HAS ACCESS, AND JUST LIKE MISSION TRACE HAS ACCESS.
ALL HAVE ACCESS TO KENTON MORRISON AND ALL HAVE ACCESS THE STATE ROAD 16. IT'S VERY COMMON PRACTICE FOR THAT ROAD FRONTAGE AND VESTED DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TO THEN ACCESS THOSE ROADS. BEEN WE'RE TAKING IT TO THREE ACCESS POINTS APPROVED TO TWO. I WILL NOTE, AND THIS IS MAINLY TO THE COLLEGE TO ANSWER BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THIS ANSWER, BUT YOU KNOW THE COLLEGE ITSELF WAS APPROVED FOR FOUR ACCESS POINTS.
ONE ON STATE ROAD 16, TWO TO KENTON MORRISON, AND ONE ON FOUR MILE, AND THEY CURRENTLY HAVE TWO, AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE USING RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FULLY BUILT OUT YET AS FAR AS THE COLLEGE AND THEIR EXPANSION PLANS, BUT CLEARLY IF THEY ADD MORE BUILDINGS AND THEY ADD GROWTH, THAT'S GOING TO ADD MORE TRAFFIC AS WELL, BUT THEY MAY HAVE PLANS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR VESTED DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TO ACCESS FOYER-MILE OR ACCESS ANOTHER ACCESS POINT ON ENGTD, AND THOSE ARE FACTS IN THE PUD AND THOSE ARE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE COLLEGE ACCESS PANGS PLANS SO I DON'T KNOW THAT.
ONE OF THE PEOPLE MENTIONED 2.4 PEOPLE IN THE POPULATION EXUNT COUNT AND CENSUS AND SO FORTH. BASICALLY, DENSITY IS JUDGED BY THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY, IN THIS CASE MIXED USE.
IT'S UP TO 13 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
WE'RE A 12.38. AGAIN, CUT-THROUGH TRAFFIC WAS DISCUSSED AND OTHER ELEMENTS. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING. WE DISCUSSED HEIGHT AND VARIOUS ELEMENTS OF HEIGHT AND 45 FEET. WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE ENTITLED LAND IN THE AREA, THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS APPROVED FOR 35,
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45 AND 55 AND 65 FEET. THAT'S A VERY COMMON HEIGHT APPROVAL ALONG STATE ROAD 16. 45 FEET, AND KEEP IN IT CONTEXT, PLEASE, IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE LAYOUT, AGAIN DUODEN HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE FRONTING RIGHT ALONG STATE ROAD 16 WE DON'T HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE FRONTING RIGHT ALONG THE PROPERTY EDGES WITHOUT SOME KIND OF BUFFER.THAT DOESN'T EXIST. SO THAT 45 FEET IS ALL CENTRAL TO THE PROPERTY AND STEPPED UP INTO THE PROPERTY, SO THE 45 FEET IS ISN'T YOU'RE GOING MEET THE PROPERTY LINE THROUGH THE TREES AND LOOK STRAIGHT UP AT A 45-FOOT STRUCTURE.
IT'S THREE FLOORS BUT YOU HAVE 15 FEET ALLOWABLE FOR ARCHITECTURAL FENESTRATIONS AND WHATNOT.
I JUST HOPE WE KEEP IN CON TAKES TO THE FORM AND MASSING AND THE SCALE OF THE LAYOUT THAT I HAVE SHOWN ON THE PROPERTY.
THE OTHER THING I'LL POINT OUT IS WE'VE DESIGNED THIS SO THERE REALLY IS NO BACK DOOR, THERE IS NO BACK OF THE BUILDING.
I THINK THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT PREVIOUS PZA MEETINGS AND IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT. WHEN THE BUILDING WAS 30 FEET CLOSER TO STATE ROAD 16, WE DON'T WANT THE BACK OF BUILDING FACING STATE ROAD 16. IT NEVER WAS INTENDED THAT AND IT STILL IS NOT. THE BUILDING ARE MEANT TO LOOK LIKE A FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE WAY THE BALCONIES ARE MADE, THE FRONT DOORS AND VARIOUS COMIEWCIALG ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS TO IT. AL WHAT BE A BACK OF THE HOUSE AND BACK DOOR IS IF THAT PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, AND I JUST WANT TO PUT THIS EXICT UP AND I'LL PROVIDE IT FOR AN EXHIBIT AS WELL AND ALSO WE DISCUSSED SOME STUFF ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EXIEF LIVED ON THE RECORD VARIOUS THINGS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONSISTENCY AND I'LL SUBMIT THAT FOR THE RECORD.
BUT I JUST WANT TO SHOW A COUPLE DIAPHRAGMS AND GRAMS AND I'LLT THEM ON THE CAMERA HERE. THIS IS THE SERVICE AND LOADING DOCKS BEHIND THE MISSION TRACE SHOPPING CENTER AND PUBLIX.
SO DRIVING BACK THERE YOU CAN SEE GARBAGE CANS, SLUDGE AND OIL WATER RESPIRATORS FROM RESTAURANTS.
YOU CAN SEE THE GARBAGE BINS, TRANSFORMERS.
CONTINUING ON, YOU CAN SEE A LARGE CATERPILLAR GENERATE, ANOTHER TRANSFORMER, SECURITY LIGHTING, AS I'LL POINT OUT RIGHT THERE. AND THEN A LOADING DOCK WITH A PUBLIX 18 WHEELER IN THAT LOADING DOCK.
AGAIN, ALL OF THESE PICTURES ARE RIGHT ALONG THE PROPERTY EDGE OF MISSION TRACE IN THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, SO THAT IS BACK OF THE HOUSE. AND BACK OF THE HOUSE OPERATIONS FOR A COMMERCIAL OPERATION REALLY ARE HINGED UPON THE DELIVERIES AT NIGHT TIME, TRUCKS.
END YA WHEELERS,S BOX TRUCKS AND THE LIKE.
UP PALLETS, PICKING UP GARBAGE, HEATING DUMPSTERS UP AT 4:00, FIECH WEEKS 6:00 IN THE MORNING AND SO FORTH.
SO IT'S A MUCH MORE ACTIVE SCENARIO FOR A COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER IN TERMS OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND WHAT'S THEY'RE BACK TO A PROPERTY. IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE TO STATE COLLEGE. THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY TO STATE COLLEGE WOULD BE THAT IF IT WERE TO BE DEVELOPED AS A COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER, WHAT IT'S ENTITLED TO RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WANTS THAT, AND I STILL CAN'T GET MY HEAD WRAPPED AROUND WHY RESIDENTIAL IS NOT GOOD ADJACENT TO A COLLEGE. I REALLY CAN'T.
IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR STUDENTS, TEACHERS AND BE IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR EVERYBODY, AND IT'S A VERY PROOCIAL, COMMON SENSE WITHIN CONTEXT OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS FAR AS DENSITY IS CONCERNED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY IN A VERY, AABLE COMMUNITY.
AND AGAIN, OUR WETLANDS ARE PERMITTED.
WE'RE MEETING 8.84 ACRES OF JURISDICTIONAL ET WETLANDS.
NOT THE ISOLATED WETLANDS. DEP HAS REVIEWED THOSE.
EV WOO OUR ENGINEERING PLANS. WE HAVE NO COMMENTS REMAINING ON OUR ENGINEERING PLANS. SO WE ARE MAKING THAT ERP SUBMITTAL TO DEP AS WELL. IT'S VERY COMMONPLACE TO SAY WHAT IS YOUR NET USABLE ON YOU ARE YOUR LAND, AND IN THIS CASE WE DECIDED THE HAD T. THAT THE ISOLATED WETLAND IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE MITIGATED AND PERMIT AND THAT'S WHAT TAKEN PLACE SO FAR. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF AGENCY MEMBERS?
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I MAY HAVE A COMMENT, SO IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE NOW OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
>> QUESTIONS? >> NO QUESTIONS.
>> ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT IS BACK INTO THE AGENCIES FOR A MOTION AND THEN EL WAVE DISCUSSION. HOW ABOUT THAT?
IS THAT OKAY? >> THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
>> WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
MR. PETER. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PUD 2022-04 MADISON SARATOGA PUD BASED ON TEN FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION FOR DENIAL BY MR. PETER.
>> OKAY. SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK.
NOW WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST,
DR. HILSENBECK? >> I DO, THANK YOU.
WELL, I'LL HAVE TO SAY DRIVING AROUND THAT AREA, AND THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I DID IT WITH AN EYE JUST TOWARD WHAT IS DEVELOPED THERE CURRENTLY, NOT POSSIBLY APPROVED OR MAY BE
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APPROVED OR WHATEVER, BUT LOOKING IN A COUPLE MILE RADIUS AROUND THERE AT PRIMARILY SINGLE TEAM HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL, AND THEN I LOOK ANOTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SECTION 8.1.3.11, IT STATES, "IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REZONING OR DEVELOPMENT IS CONSIDERED, THE COUNTY SHALL ENSURE COMPATIBILITY OF ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING LAND USES.LAND USES INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO PERMITTED USES, STRUCTURES AND ACTIVITIES ALLOWED WITHIN THE LAND USE CATEGORY OR IMPLEMENTING ZONING DISTRICT.
COMPATIBILITY MEANS A CONDITION IN WHICH LAND USES CAN COEXIST IN RELATIVE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER IN A STABLE FACT OVER TIME SUCH THAT NO USE IS UNDULY NEGATIVELY IMPACTED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY ANOTHER USE." AND THEN, BRAD, BROUGHT THIS UP.
IT SAYS, "COMPATIBILITY DOES NOT MEAN THE SAME.
AS COMPATIBILITY REFERS TO THE SENSITIVITY OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS AND MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENTS." AND IT GOES ON AND ON.
AT THE VERY END OF THAT SECTION IT SAYS, "A RAE ZONING REQUEST MAY BE APPROVED ONLY UPON DETERMINATION THAT THE APPLICATION AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED ESTABLISHED AT ALL THE PROPOSED PERMITTED USES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH CONFORMING LAND USES LOCATED ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES." AND EXCEPT FOR, AND I'LL HAVE TO SAY ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE DOES HAVE THOSE FLORIDA CLUB UNITS, BUT IN THE ENTIRE REST OF THE AREA, INCLUDING ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE, IT'S FAR LESS DENSITY, AND I SEE NOTHING LIKE THIS ANYWHERE CURRENTLY BUILT OR THAT WOULD LEAD ME TO THINK THIS IS A COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
SO I'M GROWING GOING TO STAN MY PARTICULAR VOTE.
SO THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE OF ANY COMMENTS?
MR. WILSON. >> I'M JUST GOING TO COMMENT AND SOMEWHAT ANT ANTI-THESIS. COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY TEND TO GO HAND IN HAND. MULTI-FAMILY AND COLLEGE TEND TO GO HAND IN HAND. MULTI-FAMILY UNITS FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY CAN BE COMPATIBLE IF THEY'RE NOT RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. A COUPLE OF THE SPEAKERS SAID WE WANT DEVELOPMENT THAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD.
ONE MENTIONED 2800 SQUARE FOOT -- OR A THREE-BEDROOM APARTMENT COSTING $2,800. IF YOU RESTRICT THE SUPPLY OF HOUSING, THAT'S ONLY GOING TO CAUSE THAT NUMBER TO GO UP AS MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE TO SAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE
>> HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
SO A YES VOTE IS TO DENY, RECOMMEND TO DENY THIS TO THE
[4. MINMOD 2022-07 Lot 180 at Worthington Estates.]
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. A NO VOTE IS TO RECOMMEND -- WELL, ALL RIGHT. SO THAT MOTION PASSES 3 TO 1, AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4 ON THE AGENDA.SO THE RECOMMENDATION, JUST TO MAKE CLEAR, IS TO DENY APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
ALL RIGHT. MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4, MR. BURNETT HAS THE FLOOR, AND IS THERE ANY ANY EX PARTE TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER 4?
>> I DID GET A TEXT FROM DONNIE WHO IS ONE OF THE PARTNERS APPARENTLY IN THIS WORTHINGTON PROJECT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM TODAY. IT WAS A BRIEF TEXT, AND I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO ME THEY JUST WERE TRYING TO OOD A PROIFG SO THEY COULD SERVE THIS PLOOR LOT WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY APPARENTLY APPROVED BY WELL AND SOIPT SEPTIC TANK. MR. BURNETT.
>> THANK YOU. DLARCH, DOUG PURN ET ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAW GROUP 1 OR F. SEA ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.
HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S A CLEANUP ITEM RELATED TO WORTHINGTON ESTATES WITH WORTHINGTON ESTATES ORIGINALLY WAS A 179 UNIT PROJECT, AND ONE OF THE PARCELS THAT WAS ACROSS THE STREET OF SCOTT ROAD REALLY BIFURCATED FROM THE REST OF THE MAIN PORTION OF THE PROJECT, WE CAME BACK IN AS A MAJOR MOD A YEAR AGO TO GET IT APPROVED AND THEN COMING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND OFTENTIMES THERE'S A LOT OF COUNTY STAFF HERE AND PRESENT THAT ARE PRESENT DURING THESE HEARINGS, BUT WE COME TO FIND
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OUT THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT HAD AN ISSUE RELATED TO THIS LOT 180 SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. IT'S REALLY UTILITY DRIVEN, AND I'LL WALK THROUGH THIS VERY BRIEFLY.LOCATION-WISE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NORTH OF GREENBRIER IS HOW YOU ACCESS THE OVERALL PROJECT. THIS ONE SINGULAR LOT, THOUGH, OUT OF 180 UNIT PUD, THIS ONE LOT IS ACCESSED OFF YOU OF SCOTT ROAD IN THIS LOCATION. IF WE TAKE A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THOSE HOUSES TO THE SOUTH ARE REALLY WHAT YOU CONSIDER WORTHINGTON STATES' GOING ON DOWN RUBY CON DRIVE AND CONNECTING TO GREENBRIER.
YOU'VE GOT MILL CREEK PLANTATION, LAKES AT MILL CREEK PLANTATION AND THEN WORTHINGTON ESTATES UP TO THE MIDDLE AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHERE LOT 180 INDIVIDUALLY CONNECTS TO SCOTT ROAD. MOST EVERYTHING IN THAT AREA NORTH OF SCOTT ROAD ALL THE WAY OUT ON SCOTT ROAD GOING TO 13 IS OPEN RURAL. THIS ONE SINGULAR LOT IS A PART OF THE PUD. YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINE BOUNDARY HERE AS TO THE OVERALL PUD. LOT 180 IS IN THIS LOCATION.
TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THE MDP MAP ITSELF OF THE PUD YOU CAN SEE ALL THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS WITHIN THE PUD TO THE SOUTH AND THEN LOT 180 IS LOCATED IN THIS LOCATION.
LOT 180 USED TO BE AT ONE TIME LOT 36 BECAUSE 37, 38, THOSE ARE ALL THE OR LOTS AND HOW THEY NUMBERED THEM GOING DOWN SCOTT ROAD. IT WINDS UP BECOMING LOT 180 S PART OF THE PUD. THE ORIGINAL INTENT WITH THE MODIFICATION WAS TO RETURN IT BACK TO BASICALLY ITS OR STATE.
COUNTY STAFF HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, THAT OR MAY NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEW HOUSES WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION OF 179 EVEN THOUGH THE ONES NORTH OF SCOTT ROAD ARE OR, AND SO WE LEFT IT WITHIN THE PUD. GREAT FIND, SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. IT ACTUALLY WINDS UP THAT THAT LOT 180, YOU HAVE THE FOOTPRINT, IF YOU WILL, WHERE YOU CAN BUILD AND THEN WE IND WOO UP WITH BUFFERING -- WIND UP WITH BUFFERING FROM ITS NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH, AND SO THIS IS REALLY WHAT LOT 180 LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S GOT THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF IT, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE LOTS TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE NORTH. THOSE ARE ACTUALLY -- OR TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THIS LOT. THOSE ARE ACTUALLY OPEN RURAL LOTS. TO MAKE A LONG SHERO STORE SHORT THIS ONE LOT FROM SCOTT ROAD THE EXTENT INTENT WAS TO TURN IT BACK INTO BASICALLY AN OPEN RIEWFERL LOT, BUT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PUD, WHEN YOU GO LOO TO PULL A BUILDINGS PERMIT ON IT, IT TRIGGERS BELOW GROUND UTILITIES, WATER AND SEWER AND ELECTRIC, AND YOU ARE LOOKING AT A LOT THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE ON SCOTT ROAD AND NOT 6 THOSE KIND OF UTILITIES GOING THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
WITH THAT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I WILL TELL YOU CAN SEE THE APPLICATION SUMMARY MATCHES IDENTICAL TO WHAT OUR PUD TEXT REVISION WOULD BE FOR THE SINGULAR ROT LOT 180. TO REPEAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR ON THE RECORD THERE THIS HAS BEEN A CONSTANT.
THERE'S NO ACCESS HOSPITAL FOR SCOTT ROAD TO ACCESS THIS PUD.
THIS IS SOLELY RELATED TO ONE LOT, LOT 180 WOULD BE THE ONLY LOT OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT ACCESSING SCOTT ROAD.
>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> SO I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONTROVERSY OVER THIS IN THE PAST BECAUSE OF SOME FENCING THAT WAS NOT -- THEY HAD RPPED THAT PENSING RECOMMENDED THE FENCING NEEDED TO BE COMPLETED AND SCOTT ROAD NEEDED TO BE REMEDIATED, SOMEWHAT ANY WAY, AND I NOTE THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN DONE. CAN YOU JUST ELABORATE ON THAT.
>> YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FENCING ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE LOTS, AND GRADING ON SCOTT ROAD.
OBVIOUSLY MY CLIENT'S GOT HIS OWN SELF-INTERESTS TO PROTECT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN ACCESS THE BUT, AND IT'S CONFIRMED IN THE STAFF REPORT IT. SAYS ON JULY 21, 2022 STAFF CONFIRMED WITH A COUNTY RESPECTER THAT ALL FENCING WAS COMPLETE AND THE ROAD OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN GRADED.
SO THOSE ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT AS BEING CONFIRMED.
MY CLIENT HAS PHOTOS OF THEM AS WELL.
>> I BELIEVE IT, AND STAFF CONFIRMED IT, SO THAT'S GOOD.
SO THAT'S JUST A ONE-TIME GRADING, I ASSUME.
>> I I THINK THE REALITY IS MY CLIENT IS GOING TO WANT TO MAINTAIN ACCESS TO LOT 180, AND IT'S IN THERE A FAIR LITTLE BIT, SO, YEAH. IT'S BEEN DONE MORE THAN ONCE BY
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MY CLIENT. AS I RECALL, THREE TIMES SPECIFICALLY THEY'VE DONE GRADING.>> AND SO THE HOME THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT THERE ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT 180 IS GOING TO BE ON WELL AND SEPTIC AND EVEN THOUGH WORTHINGTON ESTATES, AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, STATED THAT IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THAT OR WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE, THE ORDER ESTABLISHING IT, THAT THOSE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON COMMERCIAL OR PUBLICALLY AVAILABLE WATER AND SEWER. SO YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU'RE TOO FAR AWAY? IT'S JUST NOT PRACTICAL?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. AND I THINK WE ALSO IND WOO UP WITH SOME FRICTION WITH OUR NEIGHBORS IF WE START RUNNING PUBLIC UTILITIES IN THAT AREA, AND ALWAYS THE CONCERN OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY'LL BE FORCED TO CONNECT AND WHEN THEY'D HAVE TO CONNECT AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
I DOUGH KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT I HEARD FROM RESIDENTS
>> YES, SIR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?
>> WE DO NOT. >> NO SPEAKER CARDS.
WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.
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>> MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATION 2022-07 LOT 180 AT WORTHINGTON STATES' BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO SIX CONDITIONS AS AS PROVIDEDN THE STAFF REPORT PROVIDE.
>> MOTION MORE FOR APPROVAL SOAKED BY MR. WILSON.
ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.
THAT MOTION IS APPROVED 4 TO NOTHING.
>> THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. >> AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO A REQUEST FOR A MINOR MODIFICATION BY MR. BORDANARO.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE?
MR. BORDANARO. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS ANTHONY BORDANARO. I'M THE ROUD OWNER OF 138 CORNWALL DRIVE. I'M ASKING FOR AIR MINOR MODIFICATION TO MY LOT. THERE IS A WAY TO DO THIS HERE. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO MOVE THROUGH THE PHOTOS. BUT THERE IS A BUILDING RESTRICTION, A SETBACK ON MY LOT.
WE REALLY ARE ASKING FOR -- IT'S 1 FOOT 7 INCHES INTO THAT RESTRICTION ON ONE SIDE AND 12 INCHES ON THE OTHER.
SO CAN YOU START IT? >> IT'S A REMOTE, SIR.
YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW TO WORK IT. THAT WAS A JOKE.
>> I'M SORRY, GUYS. >> IT WAS A JOKE, EVERYBODY.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LAUGH. THE CHAIRMAN MADE A JOKE.
>> ALL RIGHT. ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MY LOT. WE'RE 18.3 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND THERE IS A BUILDING RESTRICTION OF SOME SORE THAT SAYS I CAN'T BUILD, THERE'S A SETBACK THAT SAYS I CAN'T BUILD 10 FEET. SO I'M ACTUALLY ASKING FOR 1 FOOT 7 INCHES ON -- WAIT A MINUTE -- 1 FOOT 7 INCHES FROM THAT LINE HERE, AND BECAUSE I'M 19 FEET ON THIS SIDE, I'M ACTUALLY ASKING FOR ABOUT A FOOT ON THAT SIDE.
SO THIS SHOWS A RENDERING OF THE SCREENED LANAI THAT I'M ASKING FOR. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE PLAN VIEW. THIS IS THE ELEVATION VIEW.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER PLAN VIEW THERE.
I DID THE MOCK-UP OF WHAT MY LOT SIZE IS, WHAT THE IMPERVIOUS SQUARE FOOTAGE IS, SO THE HOUSE IS 2904, THE COURTYARD 900, AND IF DRIVEWAY IS 702. SO I WOULD BE AT -- MY LOT SIZE IS .25 ACRES. I WOULD BE AT 41% OF IMPERVIOUS ON THAT LOT. THIS IS A PHOTO DEPICTING OF WHERE THE ACTUAL SCREENED LANAI WOULD BE.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR ON WHAT MY NEIGHBORS HAVE.
I DON'T THINK THEY NEEDED TO GO FOR A VARIANCE.
I THINK FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY'RE BACK A LITTLE FURTHER, AND THIS IS ANOTHER PICTURE SHOWING AGAIN WHERE THE STAKES ARE. AND THAT'S FROM THE OTHER ASPECT OF. IT.
ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY CONCERNS? >> MR. BORDANARO, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A HARDSHIP PROVEN HERE.
WHAT'S THE HARDSHIP? >> THEY'RE ASKING TO SHOW A HARDSHIP. YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING I DID BECAUSE I SAW MY NEIGHBORS ESSENTIALLY DO IT, I WENT OUT
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AND GOT AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO DRAW IT OUT.UNBEKNOWNST TO ME, I HAD SOME SORT OF RESTRICTION THERE.
SO I ACTUALLY PAID FOR A SURVEY, FOR AN ENGINEERING REPORT, AND HE'S GOING TO CHARGE ME FROM SQUARE ONE BECAUSE THEY DO THE MATH AND EVERYTHING. SO IT'S TOUGH TO APPROVE A HARDSHIP WHEN YOU SAY THESE THINGS.
THE LENGTHS OF THE METAL COME AT 10-FOOT LENGTHS.
ALSO, IF YOU GO BACK -- IF I GO BACK A LITTLE BIT, THERE REALLY ISN'T A LOT OF SPACE BACK THERE. WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR LOT ON THIS SIDE. ACTUALLY, I WISH --
>> THAT'S A HARDSHIP, SIR. THANK YOU.
THE HOUSE IS SET BACK SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE PROPERTY.
WE SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF SPACE ON THE SIDE AND THE FRONT.
AND WE JUST WANTED A SCREENED LANAI BACK THERE.
I'M HOPING YOU GUYS WOULD SEE TO APPROVE IT.
>> ALL RIGHT. SOUNDED LOOK A HARDSHIP TO ME, SIR. THANK YOU.
BACK MOO THE AGENCY. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?
>> WE DO NOT. >> WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.
>> I MOVE TO WE APPROVE MINMOD 2022-12, 138 CORNWALL DRIVE BASED ON SEVEN FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO SEVEN CONDITIONS
AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> MOTION AND SECOND.
SECOND BY MR. WILSON. ANY DISCUSSION?
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HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.MR. PETER, YOU DIDN'T REGISTER. >> SORRY.
>> MR. BORDANARO, THAT PASSES 4-0.
I DIDN'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF BUT I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO TALK
YOURSELF OUT OF A HARDSHIP. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GUYS.
HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER 6?
AND WE DID GET A NEW SET OF CONDITIONS FOR THIS.
ALL RIGHT. MR. PATEL, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. FOR THE WORD I'M AN ISSUE PATEL WITH OLD CITY LAW 1 IBERIA STREET, ST. AUGUSTINE FLORIDA 32084. I'M HERE ON BLAF OF THE APPLICANT, THE HORNS WHO ARE REQUESTING A INFOMERCIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR SALE OF CONSUMPTION OF KABEER BEER.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1812 A1A SOUTH, ST. AUGUSTINE LOUISIANA 3280. IT'S JUST NORTH OF THE OLD A1A SOUTH AND 2312. AS YOU SEE ACCOUNTED LINED ON THE MAP IN YELLOW. AND THEN ON THE ZONING MAP THE PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL GENERAL. AND ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IT'S INDICATED AS COMMERCIAL AS WELL.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE SURROUNDING AREA NEAR IT HAS THE SAFE PET RESCUE, THE OLD ABC LIQUOR, MCDONALD'S, THE VILLAGE GARDEN, TRUCK, THE OLD ABC LIQUOR I THINK IS BEING CONVERTED INTO THE FLESH FRESH MARKET WHICH HAS ALSO APPLIED FOR A BEER AND WINE SITE CONSUMPTION PERMIT THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE. AND JUST A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THIS. THE TOMS SINCE 1970 SOUVENIR GIFT SHOP KIND OF A NOSTALGIC THING THAT'S BEEN THERE 50 YEARS OR SO, MORE THAN THAT, AND CURRENTLY THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A 2APS WHICH ALLOWS FOR PACK PACKAGED BEER AND WINE TO BE SOLD FOR OFF-SITE CONSUMPTION.
WE JUST WANT TO ALLOW THEIR PATRONS TO TRY TO CONSUME THOSE BEVERAGES, BECAUSE THEY DO SELL LOCAL AND CRAFT PRODUCTS, KIND OF NATIVE TO OUR AREAS AREA, SO THAT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. AND THE USE, WE'RE NOT CHANGING IT. IT'S STILL RETAIL.
THEY'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PACKAGED GOODS AND SOME ICE CREAM WITH VERY LITTLE IMPACT AS FAR AS NOT BEING CONSIDERED A RESTAURANT BY ANY MEANS BUT LIKE A CAFE, AND THOSE POTENTIAL USES, THAT COULD INTENSIFY THAT AREA, THEY'RE NOT GOING INTO THAT DIRECTION NOR ARE THE APPLICANTS LOOKING TO OPERATE AS A BAR OR A BREWPUB OR ANY OF THOSE TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENTS.
SO PURSUANT TO THE CODE AND UNDER SECTION 20302, THE ZONING FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WOULD ALLOW FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES AND CONSUMPTION PURSUANT TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE FOR.
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THE UPDATED SUBMITTAL THAT Y'ALL GOT TODAY, AND I'M GOING TO PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN REAL QUICK, IS TO EXPAND THE COVERAGE OF WHERE THE CONSUMPTION AREA WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND THEN HERE TODAY.THERE ARE A LITTLE BIT OF GRAVEL AREAS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. PRIMARILY TO KEEP IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE AND FEDERAL CODES AS WELL AS COUNTY CODES, SO THAT THE PAY TRENDS IF THEY'RE MOVING OUTSIDE OF WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL GREEN AREA DON'T TRIGGER ANY KIND OF VIOLATION.
OTHER THAN THAT, I AM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY
HAVE. >> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?
>> WE HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS. FIRST SPEAKER IS KATHERINE BENDIZZIA. NAMED FOSTERED RECORD, PLEASE.
>> KATHERINE KENZIA 1300 PONS DEL I DON'T KNOW STREET.
I AM A DIRECT NEIGHBOR OF THE TOMS SINCE 1970 ESTABLISHMENT.
I CAN SEE HIS PARKING LOT FROM MY LIVING ROOM WINDOW.
THE BUSINESS OARNSES HAVE NOTHING BUT BEEN ACCOMMODATING TO THEIR CLOSE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, COMMUNICATIVE, INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING.
WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT IT. I DO NOT THINK THAT IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL ON THEIR -- AT THEIR BUSINESS, I DO NOT THINK THAT IT WOULD AFFECT, ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN ANY WAY, SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY AS THE CLOSEST NEIGHBOR TO THE ESTABLISHMENT, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM APPROVED ON THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> SORRY I BUTCHERED YOUR NAME.
>> IT'S OKAY. HAPPENS TO MINE ALL THE TIME.
NEXT SPEAKER IS PEGGY STEPHENS. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD,
MY NAME IS PEGGY STEPHENS. I LIVE AT 1303 RIVIERA STREET.
I AM WITHIN 300-FOOT OF TOMS SINCE 1970.
I JUST AM HERE TO SAY THAT ME AS A NEIGHBOR, AND I ALSO HAVE BROUGHT A LETTER FROM ONE OF MY OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT SAY WE ARE NOT IN OPPOSITION OF THIS REQUEST, THAT WE SUPPORT THEM.
THEY HAVE BEEN A GREAT NEIGHBOR SINCE THEY HAVE COME IN, AND THEY HAVE REALLY MADE AN IMPACT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I CAN SPEAK FOR OTHER NEIGHBORS, THAT WE DO NOT FEEL LIKE THIS IS A PROBLEM, SO WE WOULD LIKE FOR THEM AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER TO BE GRANTED THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT, MA'AM.
>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS?
>> NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS. >> ALL RIGHT.
MR. PATEL, DO YOU WANT TO OFFER ANY REBUTTAL? I DIDN'T THINK SO. ALL RIGHT.
WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR EITHER QUESTIONS OR A MOTION.
>> I WILL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MAGIC 2022-10 TOPS SINCE 1970 REQUEST BOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE ON-SITE SALE AND CONSUMPTION BEER AND WINE WITH A 2 KROPP LICENSE LOCATED SPECIFIC LIGHT 1812 A1A SOUTH SUBJECT TO 11 CONDITIONS AND EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF
REPORT. >> MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK, AND YOU NEED TO I THINK PROBABLY MODIFY YOUR MOTION TO MENTION THE FACT THAT IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REVISED.
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>> IT'S RESIDE VO THERE'S ACTUALLY 12 CONDITIONS.
>> SO MOVED. >> SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES 4 TO NOTHING, SIR. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. >> THANKS FOR KEEPING US ON OUR TOES. ALL RIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, MS. SMITH. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER 7?
>> I DO NOT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, ELLEN AVERY-SMITH ROGERS TOWERS 100 WHETSTONE PLACE HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. WE HAVE BEEN THROWN A HUGE CURVE
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BALL TODAY. AT ABOUT 1:00 OR ABOUT 11:30 I FOUND OUT SOME MATERIAL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PROPERTY THAT MAY REQUIRE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THIS PUD.SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THIS ITEM BE CONTINUED UNTIL THE OCTOBER 6TH PASSED AGENDA TO GIVE US TIME TO ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE WE LITERALLY HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO
DIGEST IT. >> SO WE HAVE A REQUEST TO DEFER THIS UNTIL THE 6TH. DR. HILSENBECK.
>> IS IT NOT APPROPRIATE TO ASK WHAT THE CURVE BALL YOU WERE THROWN WAS? I'M ALL FOR THE CONTINUANCE.
I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT. IN FACT, I'LL MOVE THAT WE PROVIDE YOU THAT CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER 6TH PASSED MEETING, BUT CAN YOU GIVE US THE NATURE OF WHAT THIS -- OR IS THAT NOT -- IS THAT GOING TO -- IS THAT LEGALLY NOT -- I DON'T
KNOW. >> I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A
POLITE WAY TO SAY THIS. >> IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
>> LET'S JUST SAY THAT WE FOUND OUT SOME INFORMATION REGARDING A TEXT POLICY THAT APPARENTLY IS AGAINST THIS PROPERTY THAT WE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT AND APPARENTLY STAFF DID NOT KNOW
ABOUT UNTIL TODAY. >> I STILL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE
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THE CONTINUATION OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, THE MAJOR MODIFICATIONFOR 2022-05 RACE TRACK SQUARE. >> SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION.
>> SECOND. >> SECOND BY MR. PETER.
ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 8. MS. TAYLOR.
AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER 8? ALL RIGHT. MS. TAYLOR.
KAREN TAYLOR 77 SARAGOSSA STREET.
AND WITH ME IS KIM MCUNIT WHO IS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS AND ACTUALLY THE DIRECTOR FOR THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM.
THIS IS, AS MENTIONED ITEM NUMBER 8.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE A PORTION, ACTUALLY THE WHOLE PIECE OF PROPERTY FROM INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND OPEN RURAL, ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF IT IS AUSTRALIA WAREHOUSE TO OPEN RURAL, JUST MAKE IT A CONTINUOUS.
JUST FOR LOCATION, THIS IS ON IT'S EAST OF US-1.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ALONG IN HERE.
AND IT'S NORTH OF 312. AND HERE'S THE SAN SEBASTIAN RIVER. AND THEN WE'VE GOT THAT AGAIN THAT'S ARAPAHO AVENUE THAT KIND OF WRAPS AROUND.
THE LOCATION THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE, IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE TARGET THERE. SO IT'S BACK IN HERE.
THIS WOULD BE THE TARGET. THIS IS THE SHIPYARDS DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS SOME OF IT, ALREADY HAS THE DRY STORAGE.
THERE'S THE RESTAURANT THERE. IT'S PLANNED FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
THERE IS THE TARGET DEVELOPMENT THAT SITS IN HERE.
JUST A CLOSE-UP VIEW, A LITTLE AERIAL SO YOU CAN SEE THE FULL D RETENTION AREA ON THE NORTH WITH THE SHIPYARDS AT THEIR ENTRANCE.
IT HAS AN EASEMENT THAT'S -- THAT PROVIDES -- THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE UTILITY ACCESS FOR THE SHIPYARDS AS WELL.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S VERY HEAVILY TREE'D AND IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO DRIVE BY -- OF THE COUNTY, BUT ACROSS FROM IT WHERE THE TARGET IS AND ALL OF THAT IS THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND THAT HAS DENSITIES OF LAND USE DESIGNATIONS OF RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY, MIXED USE AND THEIR COMMERCIAL MEETING INTENSITY.
THIS IS THE ZONING MAP, AND AGAIN THE ZONING MAP DOES SHOW YOU THE APPLICATION, SO THE IW PORTION TO HERE, THE REMAINDER THAT'S O R AND SOME OF THAT AREA THAT STILL REMAINS IN THE COUNTY. EVERYTHING IN THE GRAY IS WITHIN THE CITY. SO THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THIS
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4-ACRE SITE WITH 1.65 ACRES OF IW AND 2.35 ACRES OF OR TO ALLOW FOR THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM. EUX I'M GOING TO HAVE KIM COME AND UP JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AND A LITTLE BITTHE. WIMP MCIEWN 260, 75 DRIVE SARATOGA 3009 PFC. THE TAG! CHILDREN'S MUSEUM IS A NON-PROFIT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR YEARS TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO FRUITION, AND WE'RE SO EXCITED THAT WE'RE THIS CLOSE. WE ARE -- OUR MISSION IS TO INSPIRE CREATIVITY AND INNOVATION FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES THROUGH SCIENCE AND OUTDOOR PLAY.
SO ON THE 4 ACRES WE HAVE DESIGNED IT TO BE THREE BUILDINGS FOR INDOOR AND OUTDOOR PLAY, AND THEN WE HAVE ALMOST A FULL ACRE OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE FOR CHILDREN.
SO IT'S A VERY EXCITING PROJECT. WE ARE STEAM BASED, SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING, ART AND MATH.
IT'S ALL HANDS-ON LEARNING. THE OUTDOOR SPACE IS ABSOLUTELY RULE OF BRIEWS IT'S A GREEN DESIGN.
WE ARE SAVING EVERY TREE WE CAN ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE THINK MAKES IT SO MAN TAL CAL.
IT'S A LIKE A SECRET GARDEN. IT'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE DRIVEN BY THE AND ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
>> THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> NONE.
>> I'LL FINISH UP. >> AH, OKAY.
>> SHE WAS IN BETWEEN THERE. ANYWAY, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.
AND YOU DID I BELIEVE HAD THAT IN YOUR PACKET, BUT AGAIN THERE IS SOME OF THESE SHOW YOU HOW WELL THEY HAVE BLENDED THIS IN WITH THE TREES THAT COME. AND FOR THOSE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET TO THE SITE, THIS IS ARAPAHO ROAD LOOKING NORTH.
THAT'S ON THEIR SITE. THIS IS LOOKING DOWN THE SITE, LOOKING SOUTH. THIS IS SOME PICTURES THEY PROVIDE DOLLARS FOR ME THAT KIND OF -- PROVIDED THAT SHOW AS THEY TRIED TO LAY OUT WHAT AREAS THEY WERE GOING TO DEVELOP AND HOW THEY WERE GOING TO WORK AROUND THE TREES.
ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS, AS SHE SAID.
AND THE SIGN, SHOWING THE SIGN. THERE IS A AUTO REPAIR BUSINESS TO THE SOUTH. THERE'S TARGET ACROSS THE STREET WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE.
AND AGAIN, THEY'VE CHOSEN TO DO THE OR BECAUSE OF THE CULTURAL USES ALLOWED WITHIN OR AND RATHER THAN GO WITH THE HIGHER CATEGORY, SO THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE VERY COMPATIBLE WITH THE USES TO THE NORTH AND THE EAST AND EVEN WITH THE GRAWFORTD COMMERCIAL TO THE -- GARRARD DOLLARS COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH.
SO E. IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CUFORTSY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALL THE DEVELOPMENT WILL GO WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND AS KIM SAID, WE'RE REQUESTING A
RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL NUP. >> OKAY.
DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS NOW? DO WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS NOW IN.
>> NO SPEAKER CARDS. >> GO AHEAD WITH COMMENT.
>> I AM REALLY GLAD TO SEE THIS FINALLY MOVING AHEAD THIS FAR.
SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO IT FOR A LONG TIME.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR. PETER.
>> WELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COMMENT THAT I KNOW MS. MACEWAN AND I'M A BIG INTOAFORT EVER SUPPORTIVE AND A BIG FAN AND I WISH ALL THE BEST. NICE TO SEE.
>> YOU AWESOME. WELL, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? MR. PETER.
>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONE WANT TO 09 TAG! CHILDREN'S MUSEUM BASED FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN
THE STAFF REPORT. >> IS THERE A SECOND?
>> MR. MATT, I'LL SORRY. BEFORE THE MOTION IS VOTED ON,
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COULD WE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE RECORD.SORRY. >> IS THERE A SECOND? NOW YOU'VE THROWN ME OFF, CHRISTINE.
REALLY GOT ME OFF MY GAME HERE. >> SECOND.
>> WEV GOT A SECOND BY MR. WILSON.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. P.
OKAY. THAT PASSES 4 TO NOTHING.
MS. TAYLOR, YOU'RE UP AGAIN. ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION BY ANY MEMBER OF THE AGENCY TO DECLARE ON I'M NUMBER 9?
>> I DROVE BY THE SITE TODAY. >> HOW FAST WERE YOU GOING?
>> ABOUT 45. >> ALL RIGHT, MS. TAYLOR.
>> ALL RIGHT. FOR THE RECORD, KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAGOSSA STREET. THIS IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD ONE, THE BINNINGER TRUST REZONING AND REZONING REQUESTING FROM OPEN RURAL AND COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.
EAST SIDE OF STATE ROAD 207 SOUTH OF WAWA DRIVE AND MORTH OF
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THE INTERSTATE, AND THISY PIECE DEMONSTRATES THIS AND EXACTLY HOW IT FITS IN, KIND OF SOUTH OF BRINKHOFF ROAD.IT'S WEST OF THE TREATY OAKS DEVELOPMENT BUT IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY TOUCH. IT TOUCHES SOME OF THEIR OPEN SPACE AREA. TWIN LAKES DEVELOPMENT AND SOME UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY IN HERE. AND, OF COURSE, SOME OF THIS IS NOW -- SOME OF THIS NOW IS BEING DEVELOPED AS THE SHOPPING CENTER. JUST TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER CLOSER VIEW AND KIND OF SHOW YOU HOW IT RELATES TO THE CHURCH PROPERTY, THE FAMILY WORSHIP CENTER AS WELL AS THOSE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES. AND AGAIN, JUST TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS A NATURAL BUFFER TO THE TREATY OAKS.
THIS DEMONSTRATES ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, SO THE PROPERTY DUE NORTH WAS REZONED BY MY CLIENT.
HE'S QUITE ELDERLY NOW. THIS WAS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
AND HE WANTED TO DO A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY.
HE USED TOAF ONE AT SANTIAGO BEACH.
DIDN'T DO THAT BUT HAD BOUGHT THIS PIECE AND SO WE REALLY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ADD THIS TO THE OTHER ONE.
IT KIND OF SHOWS THE NATURAL BUFFERS AND IT DOES SHOW WETLAND ON THIS SITE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF WETLANDS.
THEY DO CONNECT THE AREA TO THE SOUTH SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT TO DO ANY KIND OF MITIGATION FOR OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO SOMEBODY THAT PURCHASES THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS IN A MIXED USE AREA, FIRMLY WITHIN THAT MIXED USE AREA ADJACENT TO SOME RESIDENTIAL C.
AND THEN THE BUSINESS COMMERCE, I WROTE THAT AS BUSINESS COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS NOT A LAND USE THAT YOU SEE VERY OFTEN.
ZONING KIND OF UP AND DOWN 20207 YOU CAN SEE IT RACING FROM PUDS TO CG AND CI. SO THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON, AND IAN THE BUSINESS COMMERCE IS ZONED CA-I.
SO IT'S 1.78 ACRES ON THAT SOUTH SIDE AND AGAIN ADJACENT TO THE 1.25-ACRE THAT HE ORIGINALLY HAD PLANNED TO DEVELOP AND NOW WOULD LIKE TO SELL. SO WE'VE GOT A VARIETY OF USES AND LOTS OF RESIDENTIAL TO SUPPORT THE USES FOR COMMERCIAL.
FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WEREN'T ABLE TO, THIS IS THE ACCESS TO THE SITE LOOKING ACROSS, SO DRIVING SOUTH OF THE SITE WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
THIS IS THE -- FROM THE SITE LOOKING SOUTH.
YOU CAN SEE TOWARDS THE INTERCHANGE.
AND AGAIN, FROM THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD LOOKING TOWARDS THE INTERCHANGE. THIS IS EXISTING MOBILE HOME THAT'S ON THE NORTHERN SIDE THAT'S ALSO ZONED CI, AND AGAIN THAT'S THE SITE FROM ACROSS THE ROAD LOOKING NORTH.
THAT BRINKHOFF ROAD INTERSECTION, THE NEW PUBLIX THAT'S GOING IN AS WELL. SO WE FEEL A ZONING CHANGE IS APPROPRIATE. IT'S APPROPRIATE TO GO ALONG WITH THAT. IT WILL HAVE SUFFICIENT BUFFERS AND THOSE TYPES THINGS. WE FEEL IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA. WE'VE GOT SIMILAR ZONING ADJACENT TO IT AS WELL AS ALL UP AND DOWN AND ALONG THE ROAD THAT HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT TOGETHER. AND IT DOES HAVE BUFFERING FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USE. SO WITH THAT, WE FEEL IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS ABOUT POLICIES OF THE AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN AND WE ARE REQUESTING A RECOMMENDATION FOR
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? >> I HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
THEY'RE NOT -- I GUESS THEY COULD BE CONSTRUED AS A QUESTION. TBHIRS SAW THIS AND READ THE TITLE AND I THOUGHT, OH, ABOUT 1 AND 3-4-ACRE REZONED ON STATE ROAD 7 TO COMMERCIAL. NO BIG DEAL.
THEN I STARTED LOOKING THROUGH IT AND IMMEDIATELY WHEN I SAW THAT AERIAL PHOTO AND I SAID, THAT'S AT LEAST HALF WETLANDS ON THAT PROPERTY, SO THAT'S WHY I DROVE BY IT TODAY.
AND I LOOKED THROUGH THE APPLICATION.
YOU DIDN'T MENTION WET NGDZ IN N THE APPLICATION THAT I COULD
SEE. >> I THOUGHT I DID, BUT MAYBE --
>> MAYBE MISSED IT. >> I ACTUALLY -- NO, I PROBABLY DIDN'T BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNT OF THEM.
THERE WASN'T ANY SURVEY, AND IT'S NOT LIKE A PUD WHERE WE HAVE DONE ALL THAT, ALL THE REVIEW.
>> RIGHT. >> BUT IT CLEARLY LOOKS LIKE APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THAT AREA IS, AND IT IS CONNECTED TO THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH THAT HAS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF WETLANDS,
IF WE GO BACK TO -- >> RIGHT, AND THAT'S IN THE
WATER SHEFD MOULTRIE CREEK. >> HOW DID I DO THAT? DID I GO BACK TO THAT? WAS THAT ME?
>> IT WAS YOUR PREVIOUS. >> SO ANYWAY, IF YOU LOOK AT IT,
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JUST TO THE SOUTH THERE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT WETLAND, AND IT ACTUALLY STARTS ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THE CHURCH.SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING THAT WOULD BE A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.
WHEN HE WAGS TALKING ABOUT ISOLATED WETLAND TODAY, ISOLATE ARE PRETTY EASY TO PERMIT AWAY TYPE THING.
WHEN YOU GET INTO THOSE THAT ARE PART OF A LARGE SYSTEM, IT BECOMES DIFFICULT. BUT IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW AN AREA MAYBE FOR THAT COMMERCIAL AREA TO HAVE THEIR RETENTION CLOSER TO THE -- AWAY FROM THAT OR SOMETHING.
>> THAT'S THE REASON I DROVE BY IT TODAY.
I WAS HOPING TO REALLY BE ABLE TO SEE ABOUT THE WETLANDS, JUST TO VERIFY IT, BUT I LOOKED AT AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS FOR THE MAJORITIES OF OF MY LIFE UTILG THOSE IN PROFESSIONAL WORK AND THOSE ARE DEFINITELY WETLANDS. I'M GOING TO PERSONALLY HAVE DIFFICULTY APPROVE THIS. I KNOW HOOTS A REZONING REQUEST.
THE GENTLEMAN WANTS TO SELL THE WHOLE PROPERTY AS A UNIT.
FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO DEVELOP, BUT WITHOUT A REAL SITE PLAN ON THAT AND A PLAN FOR PRESERVING THOSE WETLAND OR MITIGATING FOR THEM, JUST AN OPEN-ENDED APPROVAL FOR A REZONING, I CANNOT SUPPORT IT. SO THAT'S MY POSITION.
>> WELL, I UNDERSTAND YOU MAY HAVE THAT POSITION.
I WILL TELL YOU, THOUGH, I MEAN, BASICALLY ON A STRAIGHT REZONING TYPE THING WITH THAT, YOU NEVER HAVE ANY ASSURANCES.
AND THAT'S KIND OF UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, SO TO SPEAK.
SO IT DOESN'T -- IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO LEAVE THAT PARTICULAR ONE. ANYBODY COULD COME ALONG EVEN UNDER OR AND PERMIT THE AWAY E WETLANDS IF THEY WANTED TO.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY WILL BUT I CAN'T SAY THAT'S WON'T ONCE YOU SELL A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
CERTAINLY SOME OF THE PROPERTIES YOU JUST REZONED HAD A LARGE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL -- OF WETLAND ON THEM, IN FACT, THE ONE THAT THE NEW PUBLIX IS WAS REZONED WITH A VERY LARGE AMOUNT, AND THAT WAS BEFORE IT WAS TO BE A PUBLIX SO WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW 1-800-WAS AT THE TIME. IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND HAVE A PORTION OF IT HAVE WETLANDS ON IT.
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. I WAS NOT ON THE BOARD AT THE
TIME THE PUBLIX WAS APPROVED. >> YES, YOU WERE.
>> I DON'T THINK SO. >> MR. FORTNER'S PIECE.
>> BUT ANYWAY -- THAT WAS JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO.
>> TIME'S MOVING FAST. >> IT IS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY SPEAKER CARDS?
I'M GETTING OLD. TIME'S MOVE TOO FAST.
>> SOMEBODY SIT CLOSER TO HIM AND POKE HIM, WOULD YOU PLEASE?
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[LAUGHTER] IS THERE A MOTION?MR. PETER. >> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONE 2022-WILL BE BEN GER TRUST REZONING BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT A PROVIDED FOR IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MR. PETER.
>> SECOND BY MR. WILSON. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES 3 TO 1.
SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR STAFF REPORTS.
>> MR. CHAIR, MIKE ROBERSON, GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
JUST AN FYI FOR THE BOARD OF THE AGENCY, THE COASTAL AGGREGATES BORROW PIT THAT WAS APPROVED IS BEING APPEALED BY THE APPLICANT.
IT'S JUST AN FYI FOR YOU. SOME BOARDS LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT APPEALS THAT THEY MAKE DECISIONS ON, AND IT WILL BE I THINK ON THE NEXT AVAILABLE BOARD THAT WE CAN GET IT ON.
>> I THINK IT'S TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 1ST,
BUT THAT MAY NOT BE SOLID. >> DR. HILSENBECK.
>> SO IT'S BEING APPEALED BY THE APPLICANT?
>> YES, SIR. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BORROW PIT IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY BE, NOT THE ONE OFF
THE ONE IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT OF COUNTY.
>> GREAT. CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR THAT AGAIN.
>> IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO US. >> TO PROVIDE A LITTLE FURTHER 234-6BGS, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU.
IT'S JUST THE LAST TIME THAT ITEM CAME BEFORE YOU, IT WAS APPEALED TO THE BOARD, SO IT'S MORE ARE OF A PREEMPTIVE APPEAL, IF YOU WILL, JUST COULD GET THE BOARD'S DECISION ON IT.
THEY'RE NOT UNHAPPY WITH THE DECISION YOU GRANTED THEIR REQUEST. THE BOARD POLICY DOES ALLOW FOR A MEMBER OF THE PZA TO ATTEND THE APPEAL HEARING BEFORE THE COMMISSION IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO INCLUDE INFORMATION.
>> YEAH, AND I DID THAT LAST TIME AND I SUPPOSE I OUGHT TO PLAN ON THAT AGAIN. NOVEMBER THE 1ST, RIGHT?
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BUT DIDN'T WE RECOMMEND THAT FO? >> YES.
YOU APPROVED IT. HOWEVER, THERE'S A LOT OF -- THERE'S A LOT OF DISPUTE WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS, SO THEY ANTICIPATED THAT THEIR NEIGHBOR SMC -- SRM
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.