Aug 18, 2022 Planning and Zoning Agency

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>> I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, AND LET'S START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, IF EVERYBODY WOULD STAND, PLEASE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. MR. VICE CHAIR.

WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT.

>> MR. MILLER: THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CON CIEWRNS WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TOO SPEAK MUST INDICATE DOUGH BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER.

ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF. PUBLIC WILL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES.

SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.

IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.

ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD.

THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS

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CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MR. PIERRE.

OKAY. THIS IS A TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT TIME AS EACH ITEM IS CALLED UP, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME YOU CAN COME IN AND ADDRESS ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA OR ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA WITHIN REASON, OF COURSE.

SO MR. MCANARNEY. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER: SURE. JOE MCNEARNEY 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE IN ST. JOHNS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO I. UP HERE SOMETHING TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE COUNTYES A WEBSITE, AND YOU KNOW THIS.

I HARDLY NEED TO READ IT TO YOU. IT'S BACKED, PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. THE PURPOSE IS AS AN ADVISORY BOARD AND RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE ST. JOHN BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON MATTERS RELATING TO, AND YOU CAN READ THOSE, ZONING LAND, AMENDMENT OF LAND, DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, LAND USE AMENDMENTS, MAJOR MODIFICATIONS TO PUDS AND RURAL PUDS. YOU ALL KNOW THAT.

BUT IT SHOULD -- IT SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP HERE BECAUSE -- WELL, LET ME COMPLETE THE THOUGHT HERE.

AND THEREFORE, BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE APPOINTED TO ADVISE AND RECOMMEND THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS GREATLY RELY OUT FOR ADVICE AND RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEREFORE, YOU DESERVE THE RESPECT AND COURTESY, YOU ALL DESERVE THE RESPECT AND COURTESY TO RECEIVE COMPLETE AND TIMELY INFORMATION IN ORDER TO MAKE WELL-INFORMED DECISIONS.

I BELIEVE THAT. I REALLY DO.

AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT ON JULY 21ST THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.

THE OPEN PROJECT WAS PRESENTED IN SECRET.

INFORMATION WAS DIVULGED FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME THAT THE COUNTY

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SUDDENLY IT WAS ON YOUR SHOULDERS, PRESENTED AS A A THREAT, APPROVE IT OR LOSE IT, 1400 JOBS, $1.5 MILLION IN AD VALOREM TAXES, I MEAN, MY GOSH, SUDDENLY, SUDDENLY IT WAS -- THAT WAS THE PRESENTATION.

IT WAS NOT A SPECULATIVE VENTURE ABOUT, I'D LIKE TO PUT SOME WAREHOUSES HERE. I THINK IT'S TIME.

IT WAS MUCH MORE THAN THAT. THAT WAS REALLY QUITE UNFAIR TO ALL OF YOU, IN MY OPINION, TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT TO MAKE A QUICK DECISION ABOUT DEVELOPING THE SOUTH COUNTY, A DECISION THAT THE COUNTY ITSELF AND CITIZENS IN THE COUNTY COULD NOT AGREE ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS. SO I'M HERE JUST TO TELL YOU THAT YOU DESERVE THE RESPECT AND COURTESY TO RECEIVE COMPLETE AND TIMELY INFORMATION IN ORDER TO MAKE WELL-INFORMED DECISIONS.

I HOPE IN THE FUTURE AT ALL TIMES THAT WILL HAPPEN.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF Y'ALL WERE ATTENDING OR WATCHING THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING ON TUESDAY, BUT I WATCHED IT ON TELEVISION, AND AT THE END OF THAT MEETING COMMISSIONER WALDRON BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT HE WANTED TO HAVE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WRITE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR TWO NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY RAISING FUNDS TO MOVE THE MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. HOUSE, AS IT'S OFTEN BEEN REFERRED TO, DOWN TO CRESCENT BEACH, SO THAT IS AN ITEM THAT CAME BEFORE US LAST YEAR FOR A VARIANCE REQUEST.

IT WAS A TOUGH, TOUGH DECISION. AND IT CAME BACK TO US, ACTUALLY, FOR A DECISION. BUT WE WERE ASSURED AT THAT TIME DURING OUR DELIBERATIONS THAT THE OWNERS WERE NOT INTENDING TO DEMOLISH THAT HOUSE. IT WAS REVEALED BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON THAT NOW THOSE OWNERS ARE INDEED SEEKING TO DEMOLISH THAT HOUSE. AND THESE NON-PROFITS ARE TRYING TO RAISE FUNDS TO SAFETY OR MOVE IT.

SO I'M A LITTLE DISTURBED BY THE FACT THAT THIS IS HAPPENING WHEN WE WERE GIVEN ASSURANCES THAT THAT WAS NOT THEIR INTENT OR NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S CHANGED BETWEEN WHEN WE VOTED ON THAT AND NOW, BUT PERHAPS COUNTY STAFF COULD SHED LIGHT ON IT. I'M JUST WONDERING IF A DEMOLITION PERMIT HAS BEEN APPLIED FOR, REQUESTED, AND IF I COULD LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS, I'D LIKE TO, BUT IT'S -- IT'S UNSETTLING TO ME, TO SAY THE LEAST.

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SO THANK YOU. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, MIKE ROBERSON. STAFF IS LOOKING INTO THIS.

I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION AT THIS POINT, DR. HILSENBECK.

WE CAN LOOK INTO IT AND I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AFTER THE

MEETING. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, DR. HILSENBECK. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY AT THIS TIME DURING THE PERIOD OF PUBLIC COMMENT? HEARING AND SEEING NONE, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 1 ON THE AGENDA, AND I'M GOING TO ASK BOARD MEMBERS IF YOU HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNE OCCUPATION TO DECLARE.

COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I JUST SPOKE WITH MS. JANIS FLEET ABOUT TEN MINUTES AGO.

SHE WAS STANDING THERE. I WAS STANDING HERE.

AND WE DISCUSSED BRIEFLY OF WHICH SHE HAD RESOLVED HER ISSUES WITH FDOT AND THE COUNTY STAFF, SO THAT WAS IT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT, MS. FLEET, YOU HAVE TO FLOOR.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE -- JANIS FLEET, FLEET AND ASSOCIATES PLANNERS 1157 HIDDEN HARBOR WAY, JACKSONVILLE. I'M BACK BEFORE YOU, AND I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME THE TIME TO WORK WITH STAFF AND THE FDOT SINCE THE MEETING WE WERE HERE ABOUT A MONTH AGO.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A REFRESHER WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHERE WE'RE AT MOVING FORWARD, SO THIS PARCEL IS A .077-ACRE PARCEL ON STROORDZ. IT'S A LITTLE BIT -- STATE ROAD 207. ITE BY I-95 AND HOSEST CLOSEST ROADS ARE HOMETOWN LANE AND HILLTOP WHICH IS THE CONNECTING ROAD. THE AREA IS IN THE MIXED USE

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THE INDIAN FOREST CAM BROWNE AND COMMERCIAL PARK PUD THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 1997 AND THERE I WAS MAJOR MODIFICATION IN 2007 OF THE PUD. THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN FOR THE INDIAN FOREST CAMPGROUND AND COMMERCIAL PARK PUD.

THE MAIN EMPHASIS IN 1997 WAS TO CREATE THE -- FOR THE INDIAN CSH FOR THE CAMPGROUND AND THE FRONT ALONG 207, THAT AREA WAS LEFT BASICALLY FOR FUTURE IDEAS IS THE BEST WAY OF SAYING IT BUT I DIDN'T HAVE A DETAILED SITE PLAN AT THAT TIME.

IN 2007 THERE WAS A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

BAISLEY BASE BASICALLY PHASEH IF WHICH WERE THE CAMPGROUNDS WERE BASICALLY COMPLETE. THI IS PHASE 5 WHICH IS THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG STATE ROAD 207.

THERE WERE THREE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.

BIDS 1 WAS A DOLLAR STORE WHICH IS 91 SQUARE FEET PLUS PARKING SPACES. BUILD TWO SITE WAS THE CURRENT PARCEL WHICH IS THE CURRENTSIDE FOR THE EBLTION EBLTION.

WHAT ELLIANO COFFEE SHOP.

WHAT WAS PROPOSED WAS 43 SPACES AND PARKING SPACES AND THEN THERE WAS A THIRD PARCEL WHICH WAS AN ADDITIONAL 7,000 SQUARE FEET OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING PLUS 25 PARKING SPACES.

THERE WAS INTERCONNECTIVITY THROUGH ALL THE PARCEL AND NONE OF THEM EXCEPT FOR AN EXISTING ACCESS ON THE THIRD PARCEL ONTO STATE ROAD 207 SO THAT KIND OF STARTED US ON THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION ROUTE. WE WERE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE USES. THE EXISTING USE OF A DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITY IS ALLOWED IN THE PUD PREVIOUSLY, SO REALLY THE ONLY REASON FOR THE MAJOR MODIFICATION WAS FOR THE ACCESS. SO AS I SAID, HERE'S A SITE IN THE MIDDLE. THERE'S A DOLLAR GENERAL.

THERE'S AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT BACK IN 2005 BEFORE THE 200R.2007 MAJOR INFORMATION ON ANDY THEN YOU SEE THE CAMPGROUND THAT'S IN THE BACK, AND YOU SEE KIND OF WHERE 2005 THERE IS AN ACCESS ON EVAN TBOOFN WHO 207 AT THAT POINT BUT THERE'S NO OTHER ACCESS ON OTHER HOMETOWN LANE. THIS IS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY AS I SAID, THE DOLLAR GENERAL STORE, THERE'S A BANK IN BETWEEN OUR SIDE AND THE COMMERCIAL EXISTING OFFICE, THERE'S BANK OF TREES, LARGE TREES THAT KIND OF DIVIDE IT UP, SO THAT'S WHAT SURROUNDING THIS ELLIANO COFFEE SHOP SITE.

THIS IS OUR SITE. IT'S WITH THE CONNECTION, THE -- YOU CAN SEE THE BOTTOM PICTURE IS EXISTING CONNECTION TOTE DOLLAR GENERAL THAT WAS -- TO THE DOLLAR GENERAL THAT WAS ANTICIPATED WHEN THEY BUILT THE DOLLAR GENERAL SITE, AND OUR PROPERTY IS BASICALLY A VACANT SITE IN THE MIDDLE.

SO WE HAVE REVIDE OUR SITE PLAN FOR ELLIANO.

WE MET, SINCE I WAS BEFORE YOU LAST MONTH, WE HAVE MET WITH COUNTY STAFF, BOTH FROM TRANSPORTATION AND PLANNING.

AND THEN AFTER THAT WE MET WITH DOT AND COUNTY STAFF, DICK ACTUALLY WHO CAME TO THE LAST MEETING WAS ON THE PHONE CALL WITH DOT. WE DISCUSSED WHAT WE COULD DO SO THAT THIS AND THIS REVISED REVISION CAIMG UP.

THE ELLIANO COFFEE SHOP REDUCED THE BUILDING SIDE, THAT IS HAS NOT CHANGED FROMIN 6900 COMMERIAL BUILDINGS TO 800 SQUARE FEET, PROVIDE -- IT ONLY IS A DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITY ONLY, ONLY SERVICE. THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY INDOOR DINING. WE'RE REDUCING NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FROM 43, AND I THINK WE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT LESS.

WE'RE EXPANSIONING RETENTION BECAUSE RETENTION WAS BETWEEN THE DOLLAR GENERAL SITE AND THE ELLIANO COFFEE SHOP, AND WE'RE PROVIDING -- NOW, THIS IS THE BIGGEST CHANGE -- A RIGHT TURN OUT ONLY ON STATE ROAD 207. AND WE ALSO ADDED INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN -- WE HAD IT WITH THE DOLLAR GENERAL BUT WE ALSO PROVIDE INTERCONNECTIVITY TO THE PARCEL TO THE WEST WHENEVER THAT'S DEVELOPED.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP INITIALLY WAS STAFF THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS A 400-FOOT BETWEEN THE LIGHT AND AN ACCESS.

AFTER WE MET WITH DOT, WE FOUND OUT THAT THAT WAS ONLY AROUND 200 FEET, AND SO THAT'S WHY THEE INTERCONNECTIVITY, THE ACCESS AS

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AND I DID SEND THIS REPORT, THE SITE PLAN TO STAFF AND GOT CONFIRMATION, PRIMARILY DICK BECAUSE HEND RESPONDED IN AN EMAIL THAT HE WAS FINE WITH WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING.

THIS IS WHAT AN ELLIANO COFFEE SHOP LOOKS LIKE.

AND I THINK IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE AREA.

WE'VE BEEN RUNNING PARALLEL TRACTS ON THE DEVELOPMENT PARCELS. WE DETERMINED THAT THE PUD CHANGE WAS NEEDED INITIALLY. FIRST IT WAS A MINOR MODIFICATION BUT BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS IT HAD TO GO THROUGH THE% MAJOR MODIFICATION. AND AS I SAID, WE REVISED THE PLAN BASED ON MEETINGS WITH COUNTY STAFF AND FDOT AS TO THE RIGHT TURN ONLY WITH THE MINIMUM FACING BEING A 200 LINEAR FEET.

WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED A DRAINAGE AND UTILITY PERMIT FROM DOT AS WELL AS OUR WATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE WATER -- STONE WATER PERMIT FOR THE FROM THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. WE FEEL THAT THE MAJOR MODIFICATION PROVIDES PROTECTION OF THE TREE CANOPY, PROMOTES ORDERLY GROWTH FOR STATE ROAD 207.

IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT AND, AS I SAID, COUNTY STAFF IS THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT I'M HAPPY ON TELL YOU COUNTY STAFF IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE REVISED PLAN.

SO BASED ON THAT, WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU AS A PZA RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE MAJOR MODIFICATION, THE MAJOR MODIFICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MARILYN MODIFICATION ORDER DEVELOPMENT AND MAJOR MODIFICATION REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.

AND WITH THAT I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE

APPLICANT? >> SPEAKER: AND I ALSO HAVE MR. CHAD STEWART WHO IS -- HIS FAMILY WAS THE ORIGINAL OWNERS AND THE CONCEPT THEY STARTED ELLIANO.

HE'S GOING TO BE THE FRANCHISEE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY OPERATIONAL

QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: SEEING NO QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> SPEAKER: MR. MATT VENOI'D LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED AS REPRESENTING A ADVERSE OUR PARTY.

I DID SEND A POWERPOINT. >> MR. MATOVINA: DOUG, HOLD ON A SECOND. WHAT NAME DID YOU SAY?

[INAUDIBLE] >> SPEAKER: MR. CREST IS MY CLIENT, JAMES CREST IS MY CLIENT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO HE'S NOT GOING TO COME UP AND SPEAK?

>> SPEAKER: HE MAY. HE SPILLED OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND IT MAY BE BOICIAL GOR HIM TO FILL IN DEAMENTS OF HIS

CONCERNS. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

GO AHEAD. >> SPEAKER: AS AENDS IT THERE'S A NEW SITE PLAN THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO Y'ALL SO I'M GOING TO ADJUST ON THE FLY A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE HAD TO GET THIS IN, THIS POWERPOINT PRESENTATION SUBMITTED BEFORE WE KNEW ABOUT A REVISED SITE PLAN. JUST TO SHOW YOU, THOUGH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, MY CLIENT OWNS THE PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE YELLOW. THAT IS THE EXISTING DOLLAR GENERAL. ONE THING TO NOTE IN THIS INITIAL DRAWINGS IS WHERE'S THE REST OF THE PROPERTY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW THIS IS BEING MODIFIED, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MEW SITE PLAN WHERE IT IS SHOWS IT'S GOING TO HAVE CONTINUED INTERCONNECTIVITY TO THE WEST, HOW DOES THAT ACTUALLY INTERRELATE TO THE OVERALL MDP MAP, AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT I MEAN BY THAT AS BEING THROUGH THIS.

THIS IS THE OVERALL PUD PROPERTY.

IT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE '97. 2000, IT'S BEEN MODIFIED A COUPLE TIMES. 2007.

BUT HERE ARE THE PARCELS WHEN YOU LAY THEM OUT.

THE OVERALL OBVIOUSLY RV PARK IS 183 UNITS, AND THEN THERE'S 23,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING POTENTIAL.

I'LL SKIP THROUGH SOME OF THESE FOR THE SAKE OF TIME.

BUT HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN REALLY SEE OBVIOUSLY THE EXISTING ACCESS POINT. WE SEE NOW THAT THEY'VE CREATED THIS RIGHT OUT. I'LL COME BACK TO THAT.

BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PARCEL FITS IN RELATED TO DOLLAR GENERAL AND THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE LEFT TAKING A LITTLE MORE GLOBAL LOOK AT IT. THERE IS THE PARCEL IN RED THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY. IF YOU LOOK AT INTERCONNECTIVITY, THOUGH, THAT THEY ARE NOW PROPOSING, IT REALLY GOES TO NOWHERE. THERE'S A COUPLE POINTS, THOUGH, ON HERE -- GET PAST SOME OF THESE DRAWINGS.

INTERESTINGLY, WITH THE EXISTING MOST RECENT 2008MDP MAP, WHEN YOU LAY OUT THE MAR SELLS, IN MDP MAP DID CALL OUT TWO SPECIMEN TREE LOCATIONS, AND NOW REVIEW GOT A REVISED SITE PLAN

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I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT DIDN'T APPEAR THAT DRIP LINES WERE BEING TAKEN CARE OF THE ON PLAN THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET.

I LOOKS LIKE DRIP LINES AREN'T IDENTIFIED.

THE SPECIMEN TREES AREN'T IDENTIFIED ON THE PLAN THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY, THIS REVISED DRAWING.

LOOKING AT THE TWO, ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE ELLIANO PROPERTY IN RED THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THIS PROJECT, AND THEN ON THE LEFT IS IN RED AGAIN THE ELLIANO PROPERTY AS IT EXISTS TODAY, AND THEN GREEN AND BLUE ARE PARCELS THAT ARE UNRELATED TO THEIR APPLICATION BUT ARE STILL PART OF THIS SAME PUD. THESE ARE THE SPECIMEN TREE LOCATIONS PROTOCOL. ON THE LEFT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED ON THE CURRENT PUD MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP.

ON THE RIGHT ARE SORT OF HOW THEY FIT IN WITH THEIR DRAWING.

AND THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, YOU BE SEE THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY IN AN ISLAND.

I'M NOT SURE HOW IT FITS IN NOW IN CONNECTION WITH THAT INTERCONNECTIVITY BECAUSE IT'S NOT SHOWN.

THE ADDED THING, THOUGH, IS IF YOU SPIN THEIR DRAWING AND LOOK INNATE VERTICAL AND YOU LOOK AT WHERE THAT PROPOSED CONNECTION GOES TO, IT WOULD APPEAR, BASED ON THE DRAWING, THAT IT ALIGNS WITH WHERE THIS BUILDING CURRENTLY SITS -- EXCUSE ME -- IS CURRENTLY DRAWN IN. IN THE BLUE SQUARE THERE IS AN EXISTING BUILDING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE ACCESS POINT IS TO GO OUT.

RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT EXISTING ON THE FAR WEST.

WITHOUT THE DRIVE AISLE BEING CONNECTED THE WAY IT IS, THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE FOR VEHICLES TO ACTUALLY CONNECT THROUGH THIS SITE. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT ONTO 207 TO GO IN THE NEXT USE AND IS WE'RE NOT TALK ABOUT INTERESKT CAN OF ADJOINING ZONES THE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INTERSESKT IN A PUD. THE EXISTING PROJECT GUARANTEED THERE WOULD BE INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE DRIVEUPS.

THAT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED. SO TO SAY YOU HAVE A PURRED THAT'S APPROVED AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO A DRIVE-THROUGH, WELL, YEAH, BUT IT STILL NEEDS TO FUNCTION WITH THE OVERALL SITE PLAN, BUT YOU'RE NOT GIVING THAT SITE PLAN IN TOTALITY TO REVIEW AND LOOK AT, SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES.

MY CLIENT HAS NO PROBLEM WITH ELLIANO COFFEE.

I MEAN AB A COFFEE SHOP SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA 1 BUT A COFFEE SHOP IN THIS CONFIGURATION ON THE LEFT WHERE YOU'VE GOOT THE MIDDLE BUILDING, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE -- GOT THE MIDDLE BUILDING. TRYING TO PUT NIGHT A DRIVE-THROUGH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO MY CLIENT.

LOOK LIKE AT THE STAFF REPORT AND YOU SEE WHY THEY'RE HAVING FOR A MAJOR MODIFICATION, WE WOULD SAY, WELL, THE INTERNAL INVESTIGATIVE INTERCONNECTIVITY IS STILL ONE OF THE THING THAT SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED IN THEIR APPLICATION THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR BECAUSE NOW THE INTERNAL INTERCONNECTIVITY NOT GOING TO FUNCTION.

ALTHOUGH THEY PUT IN IT THERE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WOULD ACTUALLY FUNCTION BASED ON THE MDP MAP OF THE OVERALL PROJECT BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST MODIFYING THEIR PROPERTY.

THEY'RE NOT MODIFYING THAT I HAVE SHOWED YOU IN THE GREEN AND THE BLUE. IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN THE LOCATION OF OPEN SPACE. THEY HAVE A POND NOW WHERE THERE WASN'T A POND. IT'S AN ENCROACHMENT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE TWO SPECIMEN TREES AND IT RECONFIGURATION AND REDUCES PARKING. THOSE THINGS I THINK SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHLIGHTED IN THEY EVER APPLICATION AS TO WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING A MAJOR MOD BUT THIS IS AREN'T FOUND IN THEIR APPLICATION MATERIALS. PARDON ME FOR BEING THE LAWYER FOR A MOMENT BUT I WILL POINT OUT ONE THING.

THE OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION, IT APPEARS TO BE SIGNED BY THE OWNER. IT DOES LOOK LIKE MR. COLE IS THE -- IT'S IN A TRUST THAT HE IS THE TRUSTEE OF.

BUT HE DOCUSIGNED. THE TENANT, CHAD STEWART OR THE POTENTIAL TEN ANT CHAD STEWART IS THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN NOTARIZED SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE A DETBECT OF DHORGS.

I JUST RAISE IT BECAUSE WHEN I WENT THROUGH THIS, THAT'S 1-800-LOOKED LIKE TO ME. 67 67 LET ME SHOW YOU SOMETHING,

THOUGH, THINK THINK IS KEY. >> MR. MATOVINA: HOW MUCH

LONGER ARE YOU GOING TO BE HERE? >> SPEAKER: FIVE MINUTES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: FIVE MORE MINUTES SMU NEED TO PLIEFT

ALONG. >> SPEAKER:

>> SPEAKER: WILL DO. A CALL BOX, IF YOU LOOK AT VEHICLE STACKING, BY THE WAY, HOW FAR DO THEY GET BEFORE THEY'RE INTO MY COMPLIANT'S PROPERTY? AND THE EASEMENT, AND I KNOW THIS IS BEYOND YOUR -Q TUT THE EASEMENT DOESN'T ACTUALLY GIVE NEM A RIGHT TO BLOCK OUR PROPERTY. BUT LOOK AT THIS.

IF YOU PUT THE TRACTOR-TRAILER BACKED UP ON THE LOADING DOCK AND THEN YOU HAVE HOW MANY CARS BEFORE THEY START BLOCKING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC INSIDE OF THE OAK TREE OF ST. AUGUSTINE LLC PROPERTY WHICH IS WHERE DOLLAR GENERAL IS LOCATED, HOW MANY CARS BEFORE IT -- IT LOOKS LIKE FOUR, FIVE, SIX, AND THEN THEY'RE INTO BLOCKING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.

ONE OF THE THINGS IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TALKS WITH ORDER BOXES AND THE LIKE. WHERE IS THEIR ORDER BOXED ANY UNDERSTAND THEY MAY NOT HAVE AN ORDER BOXED, BUT ONCE YOU APPROVE THIS, WHAT STOPS A CHECK AREAS BURGER PLACE OR SOME OTHER

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OBVIOUSLY IT CHANGES THIS ACCESS POINT.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER AREA SITES, THIS IS STARBUCKS AT 210.

VERY SMALL SITE. AND STACKING WITHOUT IMPEDING ON THEIR NEIGHBORS. THIS IS MCDONALD'S ON -- AT A.

AGAIN PLENTY OF STACKING SPACE. THERE IS 207 AT I-95.

YOU CAN SEE THE DUNKIN' DONUTS AND BURGER EXING AND I FORGET THE OTHER USER CAN BE BURNING KING AND I FORGET THE OTHER USER THAT'S THERE BUT PLENTY OF STACKING MOVEMENT.

THE TRACTOR-TRAILER TRAILER, PLENTY OF ROOM TO GET AROUND THE TRACTOR-TRAILER TRAILER EVEN ON SITE PUNCH A DUMPSTER HERE YOU.

PUT A TRACTOR-TRAILER TRAILER ON THE SITE.

BY THAT I THAT TRADITIONAL TRAILER IS REASONABLY TO SCWAIL BECAUSE THERE'S ROUGH LAY 67-FOOT LONG TRACTOR-TRAILER THERE. WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH IT IMPEDING 207 NOW BECAUSE DON'T HAVE AN ACCESS IN.

I GET THAT. BUT AS FAR AS OUT, IT'S STILL PROBLEMATIC. AND I'LL SHOW YOU ONE THING.

THERE IS ROUTINELY TIME WHERE YOU MODIFY A PUD BUT YOU SHOW THE OVERALL SITE. FOR EXAMPLE, HERE'S A PROJECT THAT WHERE A MAJOR MODIFICATION CAME IN AND IT POINTS OUT, HEY, LOOK, THESE TWO PROJECTS, THESE TWO PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY AREN'T INCLUDED WITH THE ZONING BUT THE OVERALL IS.

HERE'S ANOTHER ONE. I MEAN, THIS IS NOT UNIMHON TO SHOW THE OVERALL SITE, WHICH THEY HAVEN'T DONE, AND THEN YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE SPECIMEN TREES AND HOW THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED BASED ON THEERTSDZ EITHER SITE PLAN FROM WHAT I CAN TEM WITH THE DRIP LINE.

WITH THAT I'LL CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS.

SORRY. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKER

CARDS? >> MR. PIERRE: NO, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME AND UP

OFFER SOME REBUTTAL? >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, FIRST OF ALL, I THE -- IN MY ORIGINAL APPLICATION DID I INCLUDE THE OVERALL SITE, SO I SAW ALL THREE PARCELS, NOR THE OTHER PARCELS. BUT WITH STAFF WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO WORK IT OUT TO TRY TO GET TO WHAT WE WERE DOING WE ZEROED IN ON THIS PARCEL AND MAP SO IT'S NOT LIKE I DIDN'T -- WE DIDN'T ADDRESS THE OTHER. THOSE SPECIMEN TREES, IF YOU GO BACK TO MY AERIAL, THOSE ARE ON THE OTHER PROPERTY, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS INITIALLY WE DIDN'T WANT THE INTERCONNECTIVITY, TO PROTECT THOSE TREES, SO THOSE TREES MAINTAINING. WE'RE NOT GETTING RID OF THOSE.

THEY'RE JUST NOT SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COUNTY HAS FOR MAINTAINING SPECIMEN TREES, BUT THOSE ARE NOT ON OUR PROPERTY SITE.

THE INTERCONNECTIVITY THAT WAS SHOWN WAS APPROVED IN 2007, AND WE'RE JUST CONTINUING IT. IT'S NOT -- WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY NEW INTERCONNECTIVITY THAN WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BY THE MODIFICATION IN 2007. THAT WAS -- IT WAS INTERCONNECTIVITY TO BOTH SITES WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY DID THE PLAN. SO WE'RE NOT ADDING IT.

WE'RE JUST RESPECTING IT IS THE BEST WAY OF I GO SAY THE IN THAT. BUT -- AND I WOULD LIKE MR. -- HERE IT IS -- MR. STEWART TO -- THE OPERATIONAL, TO GO OVER THE ORIGINALS OF HOWELLELL'S WORKS TO ANSWER SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS. ELL GLEL CHAD STEWART, ELLIANO COFFEE. ADDRESS IS 541 ROSEMARY DRIVE.

SO JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK POINTS.

SHE MENTIONED THE TREES ARE PRESERVED BEEP ALSO ADD ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE PACKAGE IN FRONT OF THE STORE, BEHIND THE STORE, IRRIGATED. WE DO VAT SEPARATE IRRIGATION METERS, MANAGE IT, MULCH IT BE WITH HAVE SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY. WE ALSO TALKED TO THE ADDITIONAL OWNER NEXT DOOR FOR LANDSCAPE ENHANCEMENTS THERE AS WELL.

THE GENTLEMAN'S PRESENTATION BRIEFLY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC FLOW WAS NOT EXACTLY CORRECT. WE DO HAVE A TWO-SIDED DRIVE-THROUGH OPERATION, SO WE'VE DONE TRAFFIC STUDIES OF THE NUMBER OF CARS PER WINDOW, AND RARELY WILL YOU HAVE 60% OF THE CUSTOMERS TAKE THIS WINDOW AND 40% THAT SIDE.

IT'S NEARLY EXACTLY 50% USAGE ON EACH SIDE, SO YOU'RE WILL NOT GOING TO HAVE A SCENARIO WHERE THERE'S ONE CAR HERE AND SEVEN ON THE OTHER SIDE. CONSUMERS IMMEDIATELY GO TO THE SHORTEST WIND EVER SINGLE DAY. WE ARE THE FOUNDERS, TRAN

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THERE ARE 23 STORES OPEN. WE HAVE OPERATIONS.

THEY WORK WITH MANAGEMENT. THIS STORE MY WIFE AND I ARE PUTTING IN ESPECIALLIY AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE LEASEHOLD INTEREST, LEASEHOLD QUESTIONS WE DO HAVE A SIGNED LEASE WITH THE LANDOWNER THAT GIVES US LEASEHOLD INTEREST IN THE PARCEL, HIS FULL SUPPORT. IF YOU HAVE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS,

HAPPY TO ANSWER. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. MILLER.

>> MR. MILLER: YES, JANIS, JUST REAL QUICK, THERE WAS A COUPLE ISSUES GROT BROUGHT UP WITH THE OWNER OCCUPATION.

BEFORE THGHTS TO THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONS LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT'S ALL BUNLTD UP.

>> SPEAKER: WE WILL DO THAT FOR SURE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK HIENCHTSD LIKE TO ASK YOUR CLIENT HOW DOES THIS SITE COMPARE TO YOUR OTHER LOCATIONS OF ELLIANO COFFEE SHOPS IN TERMS OF SIZE, CONFIGURATION, ADJACENT LAND USES?

>> SPEAKER: IT'S VERY SIMILAR. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PARCELS THAT LITTLE BIT HIRE LANDSCAPE AND RETENTION REQUIREMENTS.

STACKING IS TYPICALLY FOUR TO FIVE PER SIDE.

WE HAVE SOME IN MUCH TIGHTER CONFIGURATIONS.

CORE DEAL, GEORGIA WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE.

IN THAT SCENARIO WE WRAPPED THE CARS SO YOU HAVE TWO STACK AND IS THEY WAIT FOR THE CAR IN FRONT AND PULL IN BEHIND THE, SO WE'RE VERY USED TO THAT TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SIDE THING.

I'D SAY IT'S AVERAGE. WE HAVE TIGHTER AND WE HAVE

LARGER. >> DR. HILSENBECK:, SO YOU'RE CONFIDENT THAT YOUR TRAFFIC COMING TO THIS STORE WILL NOT IMPACT NEIGHBORING PROPERTY ADVERSELY?

>> SPEAKER: WE HAVE TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT SHOW SPEED OF SERVICE, ALL THE ABOVE. THIS WOULD SHOW, I BELIEVE IT WAS 11 CARS IN LINE. WE RARELY HAVE MORE THAN SEVEN PER SIDE. IT'S ALMOST A ZERO PERCENT CHANCE. SO WITH THE EXIT ONLY, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE LARGER SLIGHT CONCERN, IS BLOCKING OF TRAFFIC THERE. WE ALSO DO 50% OF THE BUSINESS IS IN THE AFTERNOONS, SO IT'S SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

AGAIN, IF YOU WANT HOURLY METRICS ARE TRAFFIC VEHICLES PER HOUR, SERVICE TIMES PER HOUR, READY H. WE'D BE HAPPY TO

PROVIDE THAT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY OPEN COMMENTS, SO IS THE STAFF SATISFIED WITH THIS SITE PLAN AND THE DOT AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES?

>> TERESA BISHOP: YES, SIR. THERE ARE NO OPEN COMMENTS AND, YES, SIR, THE LAST PERSON TO ACTUALLY SIGN OFF, THE LAST REVIEWING DEPARTMENT WAS THE ENGINEERING TECHNICAL REVIEW, AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND IF I MIGHT ASK MR. BURNETT A QUESTION.

IS THAT OKAY? >> MR. MATOVINA: I'D RATHER

SKIP IT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU. 67.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PIERRE. >> MR. PIERRE: YES, IF MEMORY SERVES, I THOUGHT WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US LAST TIME, ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE CONTINUANCE INTO TODAY WAS THAT THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DISCUSSION WITH I THINK THE DOLLAR GENERAL, WITH THE DRIVEWAY ISSUE AND TURN LANE AND ALL THAT STUFF.

DID THAT CONVERSATION EVER HAPPEN?

>> SPEAKER: YES. WELL, WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING WITH COUNTY STAFF, THE DOLLAR GENERAL PROPERTY OWNER WAS INVITED. TO EXPRESS HIS CONCERNS.

WE ADDRESSED -- HE -- HE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2018 IS MY UNDERSTANDING. THAT INTERCONNECTIVITY WAS THERE, AND HE WOULD LIKE NOT TO HAVE THE INTERCONNECTIVITY BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO AGREE TO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL PUD. AND SO THAT'S HIS BIGGEST CONCERN, WAS HE WANTED -- HE WAS IN SUPPORT OF THE RIGHT -- THE COMPLETE ACCESS OF THE EXIT ON 207 AS A FULL RIGHT TURN, RIGHT OUT BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH HIS PROPERTY. I MEAN, WE'RE ADDRESSING -- YOU KNOW, WE ONLY CAN DO WHAT -- THAT ACCESS WAS THERE IN 2007 WHEN THAT MAJOR MODIFICATION WAS APPROVED.

AND SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS ADDING THE ACCESS ON 207 THAT'S A RIGHT OUT. WE'RE NOT CHANGING CHANGIND

INTERCONNECTIVITY. >> MR. MATOVINA:

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: TWO QUESTIONS. I REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE HERE A MONTH OR SO AGO THE OWNER OF THE DOLLAR GENERAL WAS CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC LEAVING YOUR BUSINESS THAT YOU ARE REPRESENTING AND DRIVING THROUGH OR AROUND OR BEHIND THEIR PROPERTY TO EXIT 207. THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NOW?

>> SPEAKER: NO, BECAUSE OUR GOAL IS A RIGHT OUT, YES.

>> . >> DR. HILSENBECK: SECOND QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GO ONTO THE PROPERTY TO YOUR WEST, WHAT'S PLANNED FOR THAT?

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>> SPEAKER: NO. THE EXISTING OWNER, THE EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH IS KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE IT WAS THERE IN 2005, LOOKING AT THE COUNTY RECORDS, TALKING TO COUNTY STAFF AND THE PROPERTY, IT WAS THERE BEFORE THE 2007 MODIFICATION WAS DONE BUT WANT REALLY ADDRESSED WHAT WAS THERE AT THE TIME.

BUT WE DO NOT. THE OWNER, AND I THINK I THINK MR. STEWART HAS HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH HIM, IS PLANNING ON STAYING THERE AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY DECISIONS.

AM I CORRECT? YES.

SO THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON -- THEY'RE STAYING THERE AND THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS THERE SINCE 2005.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. BUT THERE WERE TWO PARCELS TO THE WEST, THE SMALLER ONE WITH THE BUILDING AND THEN THAT OTHER ONE IMMEDIATELY TO YOUR WEST THAT WAS CONTIGUOUS WITH YOUR

PROPERTY. >> SPEAKER: IT'S ONLY ONE PARCEL. IT'S THREE PARCELS.

THE DOLLAR GENERAL, OUR PARCEL, AND THE ONE THAT'S CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS REMOVAL. IT'S NOT THREE PARCELS, ACCORDING TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: DID YOU JUST SAY THE WORDS "TREE

REMOVAL?" >> SPEAKER: EXCUSE ME ANY

DIDN'T HEAR YOU. >> DR. HILSENBECK: DID YOU CEJA THE WORD "TREE REMOVAL," THOSE TWO WORDS?

>> SPEAKER: NO, NO, THE COMPANY THAT IS ON THE WEST IS CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS REMOVAL. THAT'S THE NAME OF THEIR COMPANY, CDR. NO TREE REMOVAL.

>> SPEAKER: WE DID APPROACH THE OWNER ABOUT EXAMINING THE ENTRANCE OR EXIT ALL THE WAY FURTHER WEST, SO RATHER THAN ANY EXIT ON OUR PROPERTY IT WOULD COME THROUGH DOLLAR GENERAL, CIRCLE THROUGH OURS, AND THEN ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS BUT SHE JUST DIDN'T HAVE AN INTEREST IN DEVELOPING ANYTHING AT THE MOMENT IS WHAT SHE SAID, SO WE

EXPLORED OTHER OPTIONS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? SIR, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OVER.

SORRY. ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MR. PIERRE. >> MR. PIERRE: MOTION TO PROPOSAL APPROVAL OF MAJOR MOD 2022-0 2WELS ELLIANO COFFEE SHOP SIX FINDS NSZ FACT AS STAFF REPORT MEANCHTS WE HAVE A.

MOTION BY MR. PIERRE, SECOND BY MR. MILLER.

ANY DISCUSSION? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING. IT'S ACTUALLY AMAZING TO ME THAT IN 2007 THIS AREA WAS BEING UTILIZED FOR A CAMPGROUND AND

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RECORD. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER COMMENT FROM THE AGENCY? IF NOT, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES 5-0.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2 ON THE AGENDA, I'LL ASK THE AGENCY MEMBERS IF THERE IS ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION FOR ITEM NUMBER 2.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: YES. I DID HAVE A EMAIL EXCHANGE WITH MR. JOE MCANARNEY ABOUT THIS, AND I HAVE SENT THAT EMAIL TO OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR RECORDS, FOR HER RECORDS.

>> MR. PIERRE: I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MS. AVERY-SMITH IN REFERENCE TO THIS ITEM.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND I DID ALSO HAVE A CONVERSATION, TOO, ACTUALLY WITH MS. ELLEN AVERY-SMITH ABOUT THIS.

ONE ON TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY AND ONE THIS MORNING.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. WILSON. >> I RECEIVED A MESSAGE FROM MS.

>> MR. MILLER: AID BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH MS. ELLEN AVERY-SMITH ON THIS MAIRCHLTS ALSO NEED TO DECLARE THAT I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MS. SMITH ON THIS AS TO THE CONFUSING ASPECTS OF IT, WHICH I HOPE SHE'S GOING TO CLEAR UP TODAY FOR ALL OF US.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MS. SMITH. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION OF OUR TEAM, I'M HERE ON BEHALF COASTAL AGGREGATE WHICH INCLUDES JOHN BROWNING IS ONE OF THE PARTNERS AS WELL AS THE SHAWFNER FAMILY THAT OWNS PART OF THE PROPERTY. ALSO BYE BIOTECH CONSULTING IS OUR ENGINEERING AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS, SO IF QUESTIONS COME UP ABOUT TREES OR EEGLES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE HAVE EXPERT WITNESSES HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

AND, OF COURSE, I'M EVELYN EVELYN, ROGERS TOWERS, 100 WHETSTONE PLACE IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THIS BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. WE -- I JUST FOUND OUT WHEN I WALKED IN THE DOOR THAT WE HAVE AN OPPOSING PARTY, AND SO I AM GOING TO TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT I THINK IS JUST A DEJA VU MOMENT BECAUSE I PRESENTED ALMOST THIS EXACT SAME CASE TO THIS EXACT BOARD THREE YEARS AGO FOR THE EXACT SAME HAUL ROUTE

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SO I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE HISTORY OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO GO AND THE REASONS FOR THAT AS WE GO ALONG. SO A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

SO WE ALL UNDER WHERE WE ARE BECAUSE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS IN ON TO UNDERSTAND THE HAUL ROUTES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS YOUR BOARD'S ORDER FROM JUNE 20, 2019 IT.

APPROVED THE EXACT HAUL ROUTE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

THE EXACT SAME HAUL ROUTE. THIS IS THE ORDER OF APPROVAL FROM YOUR BOARD. THIS IS THE HAUL ROUTE THAT IT APPROVED. SO JUST SO EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE, HDD STANDS FOR HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT.

WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE HASTING DRAINAGE DISTRICT AND LAND IT OWNS IN JUST A MINUTE, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS HEARING, THE HAUL ROUTE THAT WAS APPROVED BY YOUR BOARD THREE YEARS AGO GOES LOO THE CLIENT'S PROPERTY, WHICH IS CALLED BORROW PIT 40 ACRES OUTLINE IN RED ON THIS MAP THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU.

THE HAUL ROUTE IS IN BLUE. IT GOES NORTH THROUGH OTHER PROPERTY OWNED BY THE SHAWFNER FAMILY.

AND THEN IT GOES WEST ON HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL 14, WHICH IS OWNED BY THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT IN FEE. IT THEN GOES TO HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL NUMBER 17, WHICH IS SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS MARY FIELD LANE, TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS ALSO OWNED BY THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT. IT THEN JOGS TO THE NORTH NORTHWEST INTO PUTNAM COUNTY ON A ROAD THAT'S CALLED WILD WOOD LANE, AND THEN IT GOES NORTH TO 2017.

THAT IS THE EXACT RALL ROUTE THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THIS EXACT PROPERTY BY YOUR BOARD THREE YEARS AGO.

AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN. SO TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, WHY ARE WE HERE? BECAUSE AN OPPOSING MIND, WHO ON AN ADJACENT COMPETING MIND WHO YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM MAY IN A MINUTE, BLOCKED THE APPROVE HAUL ROUTE THAT WAS A COMPROMISE BETWEEN TWO COMPETING PARTIES BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN OCTOBER OF 2019, BUT THEY'RE BLOCKING THE HAUL ROUTE SO OUR GUYS CANNOT HAUL OUT.

SO TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE HISTORY, AGAIN, THEY HAVE PUT UP NO TRESPASSING SIGNS ALONG THE ROAD THAT HAS BEEN USED BY MEMBERS OR FARMERS IN THE HASTING AREA FOR DECADES, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU THE KIND OF NEIGHBOR THAT THEY ARE. THE SITE IS AGAIN LOCATED IN HASTINGS. YOU CAN SEE THIS IS OUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY. THIS IS THE COMPETING MINE.

INTERESTINGLY, AS A MATTER OF HISTORY, I GOT THAT MINE APPROVED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN 2008.

SO I'M GETTING OLD. BUT ANYWAY, HERE YOU HAVE THE EXISTING MINE. THEY ALSO OWN PROPERTY IN PUTNAM COUNTY AND THEY ALSO OWN PROPERTY HERE AND HERE, WHICH IS PART OF THE RUB. BUT THEY DON'T OWN PROPERTY THAT IS THE HASTING DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL THAT IS OWNED BY THE HAS A DRINKS DRAINAGE DISTRICT. THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS AGRICULTURE. ALLOWS A BORROW PIT.

THE ZONING DESIGNATION IS OPEN RURAL.

ALLOWS A BORROW PIT. SO AGAIN, GOING TO THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT, THIS PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING LANDS WHICH COMPRISE THE ENTIRE AGRICULTURAL AREA IN HASTINGS ARE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WAS CREATED BY FLORIDA STATUTE AS THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT. THE HAS A DRINKS DRAINAGE DISTRICT LAST THE STATUTORY RIGHT TO OWN AND MAINTAIN REAL PROPERTY, INCLUDING CANAL AND RIGHTS-OF-WAY ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE CANALS WITH MEANING UPLAND ROADS THAT FARMERS IN THAT AREA AND OTHER LANDOWNERS USE TO GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR PROPERTY.

AND FOR ALL THESE YEARS EVERYBODY'S DONE SO IN COOPERATION WITH ONE ANOTHER. AND THOSE RIGHTS OF WAY ARE GENERALLY USED AS PUBLIC ROADS, AGAIN PER FLORIDA LAW.

SO OUR REQUEST TODAY IS TO -- WE'RE NO CHANGING ANYTHING ABOUT THE BORROW PIT. WE'RE ONLY CHANGING TO ADD ONE HAUL ROUTE. SO I'M GOING TO GET INTO THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING WITH OCTOBER 2019 IN JUST A MINUTE. BUT THIS IS THE APPROVED HAUL ROUTE THAT WAS A COMPROMISE WITH THE COMPETING MINE IN OCTOBER OF 2019. THEY STOOD BEFORE THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND SAID THEY WOULD PERFECT THE HAUL ROUTE TO GO FROM THIS PROPERTY SOUTH TO HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL 13 AND THEN UP HASTINGS DRAINAE DISTRICT CANAL 17 AND OUT THAT

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BUT SINCE WE CAN'T GET DOWN THAT HAUL ROUTE, WE'RE PROPOSING THE EXACT HAUL ROUTE THAT WAS APPROVED BY YOUR BOARD THREE YEARS AGO. CANAL 14 TO 17 AND OUT THROUGH PUTNAM COUNTY TO 207. AGAIN, THE SURROUNDING OWNER IS -- SURROUNDS THIS AREA. THEY USE MARYFIELD LANE, OTHERWISE NO ONE AS HASTING DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL 17, TO GO NORTH TO PUTNAM COUNTY AND OUT TO 207.

SO THIS IS THE SACKETT SAME HAUL ROUTE THEY USE.

THE EXACT. MR. WILLIAMS IS GOING TO TELL YOU THAT IT'S DANGEROUS FOR TWO COMPETING MINES TO USE THE SAME HAUL ROUTE. WELL, THAT TESTIMONY WAS PROVIDED AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION IN OCTOBER OF 2019, AND THEY REFUTED THAT BECAUSE THEY -- IN THE WORTH OF COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, WORDS OF COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, COMPETING OWNERS CAN BE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TO ONE ANOTHER AND WORK IT OUT, AND SHE ASKED THESE TWO PARTIES TO -- HE ASKED THESE TWO PARTIES TO WORK IT OUT. SO AGAIN, THE OTHER BORROW PIT USES THE EXACT SAME ROUTE TO GET OUT TO 207 THAT WE ARE PROPOSINL 17. SO GOING BACK TO HOW OLD I AM, THIS -- THESE LETTERS WERE APPROVED FOR THE COMPETING MINE THAT I REPRESENTED UNDER A DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP BACK IN 2008. WE GOT APPROVAL FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND PUTNAM COUNTY TO USE THE HAUL ROUTE THAT THEY ARE USING TODAY BECAUSE PART OF THE HAUL ROUTE GOES THROUGH PUTNAM COUNTY. HERE'S THE ROADWAY DEDICATION AGREEMENT THAT ONCE WITH TITLE TO THE COMPETING MINES LAND THAT SAYS THEY OF TO MAINTAIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IN PUTNAM COUNTY FROM 2008. IN 2019 AGAIN, OUR CLIENT PROPOSED TO USE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL 14 TO 17 AND OUT TO PUTNAM COUNTY, WHICH IS THE SAME ROUTE THAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY AND IS USED BY THE OTHER MINE.

IN 2018, BECAUSE, OF COURSE, WE'VE BEATEN THIS FOR A WHILE, THE HAS A DINGS HAS HAST WROTE A LETTER SAYING EVERYBODY IN THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT HAS THE LEGAL RIGHT TO USE THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY OWNED BY THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT.

THE PRECEDENT HAS LONG BEEN SET ON BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND CONSIDERATE OF OTHERS AND HOW IT IS WORKED SINCE 1913 WHEN THE DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED AND ,I HOPE IT MAY CONTINUE THAT WAY, SIGNED JOHNNY COUNTS, CHAIRMAN OF THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT. HERE'S THE LETTER FROM DECEMBER OF 2018 FROM PUTNAM COUNTY. AGAIN, PUTNAM COUNTY IS ALLOWING THE COASTAL MINE TO USE THE EXACT HAUL ROUTE THROUGH PUTNAM COUNTY FOR ITS -- TO GET TO 207. HERE IS THE ORDER THAT IS FROM AGAIN YOUR BOARD. YOU DETERMINE THAT THE COASTAL SPECIAL USE PERMIT MET ALL APPLICABLE CODE CRITERIA FOR OPERATION OF A BORROW PIT INCLUDING THE HAUL ROUTE AND YOUR BOARD APPROVED THE EXACT SAME HAUL ROUTE.

SO AGAIN, THE COMPETING MINE IN 2019 APPEALED THAT HAUL ROUTE TO THE NORTHERN SIDE TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSION, AND DURING THAT HEARING MR. WILLIAMS, WHO YOU WILL HEAR FROM LATER, SAID, "OH, I DON'T WANT YOU TO GO THIS WAY.

WE WOULD PLEFER YOU COME THIS WAY AND OUT HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL 13." SO OUR CLIENT AGREED DURING THE COUNTY COMMISSION HEARING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND TO CHANGE THE RALL ROUTE, WHICH IS WERE THIS IS THE APPROVED HAUL ROUTE THAT CAME OUT OF BODES COMOIN EVER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

WE DIDN'T INSIST ON THE NORTHERN HAUL ROUTE ALTHOUGH IN HINDSIGHT PERHAPS WE SHOULD SPOACH UNCOMFORTABLE NO KINDNESS GOES UNPUNISHED AND HERE WE ARE WITH THE ADJACENT MINE BLOCKING THE HAUL ROUTE. THEY MAY SAY, WELL, THERE'S A DISCREPANCY ABOUT WHOSE PROPERTY THE HAUL ROUTE IS LOCATED ON.

THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT AGAIN OWNS RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THARS EVER THERE IS A PORTION OF HAUL ROUTE ROAD THAT IS NOT ON THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT PROPERTY, OUR CLIENT HAS THE LEGAL TRY THE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT PROPERTY TO IMPROVE THE HAUL ROUTE. THAT'S BEEN AGREED TO BY THE

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WE WOULD AGAIN ASK YOU TO APPROVE HASTINGS DRAINAGE YOU DISTRICT CANAL 14 TO 17 TO PUTNAM COUNTY TO 207 FOR THE HAUL ROUTE FOR COLT MINE IN ADDITION TO THE SOUTHERN ROUTE THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION JUST IN CASE THIS NEW ROUTE GETS BLOCKED AGAIN. SO HERE'S THE VIEW DOWN THE HATS DISTRICT CANAL 14 RIGHT-OF-WAY. YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME TREES WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ITSELF THAT THERE IS AMPLE ROOM TO GET TRUCKS DOWN. OUR GUYS WILL CONSTRUCT IMPROVEMENTS TO STABILIZE THAT ROAD TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO USE IT. AGAIN, THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT AND THEY DO ALLOW NEIGHBORS OR LANDOWNERS WITHIN THE DISTRICT TO MAKE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS TO ROADS FOR ACCESS, AND YOU CAN SEE, AGAIN, WHERE THIS TRUCK IS SITTING THAT'S TAKING THE PICTURE IS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OR IS IN THE ROAD THAT COMPRISES DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL RIGHT-OF-WAY 17. SO YOU SEE THAT IT'S LIME ROCK, AND THE SAME CAN CONTINUE DOWN TO THE EAST ON DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL 14. SO I PUT ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THE CRITERIA FROM THE CODE THAT BE APPLICABLE TO HAUL ROUTES SINCE THE MINE ITSELF IS APPROVED AND IS OPERATING.

SO I FOCUSED THIS PRESENTATION JUST ON HAUL ROUTES.

I'M NOT GOING TO BORE WITH YOU ALL OF IT, BUT BASICALLY IT'S THE CONCLUSION OF STAFF BACK IN 2019, THE APPROVAL OF YOUR BOARD AND OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION WAS THIS WAS A SAFE, EFFICIENT HAUL ROUTE TO BE USED BY BOTH MINES AND COMPLIED WITH ALL OF THE APPLICABLE CONDITIONS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND THEN AGAIN, GOING INTO LDC SECTION 2.3.2YE AGAIN THE PROPOSED HAUL ROUTE IS LOCATED NEXT TO THE OTHER MINE THEY CAN ALL OF A USE THE HAUL ROUTE IF THEY ACT COOPERATIVELY, AND THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT LIKES FOR ALL OF ITS LANDOWNERS TO COOPERATE BECAUSE THERE'S FARM EQUIPMENT THAT USES THOSE RIGHTS-OF-WAY AS WELL. AGAIN, HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT RIOTS OF USED AS PUBLIC ROADS BY OWNERS OF PROPERTY IN THE AREA RIGHTS-OF-WAY ARE USED BY OWNERS OF PROPERTY IN THE AREA. SO FARMERS WITH TRACTORS USE THIS AREA EVERY DAY BECAUSE IT'S AN AG AREA AGAIN EVERYBODY DOES THAT COOPERATIVELY AND SAFELY. GOING INTO CONTINUING, I'M JUST PUTTING THIS ON THE RECORD. MYER POWERPOINT PRESENTATION WILL BE PART OF THE RECORD FOR THIS HEARING IN THE EVENT THE OPPOSING PARTY APPEALS, BUT AGAIN, MEETING ALL OF THE CRITERIA WITH RESPECT TO HAUL ROUTES, AND AGAIN BORROW AREAS ARE ENCOURAGED TO LOCATE IN AREAS THAT HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE RECEIVING SITE OF THE EXCAVATED MATERIALS WITH DIRECT ACCESS TO ARTERIALS OR MAJOR COLLECTORS AND ALSO GOING BACK TO ONE OF THE OTHER POINTS, NOT TO GO BY CHURCHES, A LOT OF RESIDENCES, SCHOOLS AND THE OTHER, WHICH IS WHY THIS WAS THE PREFERRED HAUL ROUTE FROM YOUR BOARD THREE YEARS AGO, WAS THE PREFERRED HAUL ROUTE BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION THREE YEARS AGO, AND AGAIN IS THE SAFEST WAY WAY FOR MINING OPERATIONS TO TAKE THEIR MATERIALS OUT TO STATE ROAD 207.

SO YOUR BOARD APPROVED THIS IDENTICAL HAUL ROUTE THREE YEARS AGO. BUT FOR COASTAL TRYING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND AGREEING TO THE OTHER HAUL ROUTE, THE COUNTY COMMISSION WOULD HAVE APPROVED THIS HAUL ROUTE THREE YEARS AGO.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT MEETS ALL APPLICABLE CRITERIA OF THE CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND WE WOULD AGAIN ASK YOUR BOARD TO PLEASE APPROVE THIS HAUL ROUTE AND THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT. AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM, MR. MILTON, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO MY LONG DIATRIBE. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: ELLEN, WHEN WE SPOKE THIS MORNING, IT WAS IN REFERENCE TO SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT REALLY ARE MORE TO DO WITH THE PERMITTING OF THE MINE RATHER THAN THE HAUL ROUTE AND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO ASK YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT TO COME UP HERE OR NOT AND ADDRESS THOSE, SUCH AS TREE REMOVAL.

APPARENTLY THERE WAS SOME -- STAFF AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME EXCESS TREE REMOVAL BEYOND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AS WELL AS A NEW EAGLE'S NEST HAD BEEN FOUND WITHIN 1260 FEET OF THE SITE, BUT YOU ADDRESSED THOSE CONCERNS

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BUT MY MAIN QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS COULD YOU PLEASE SHOW US ON AN AERIAL WITH THE HAUL ROUTES WHERE THAT PARTICULAR DUMP TRUCK

IS BLOCKING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> SPEAKER: IT'S APPROXIMATELY IN THIS AREA. AND MR. BROWNING, AND SOME OF HIS PEOPLE WHO TOOK THE PICTURE, CAN COME AND TESTIFY TO A MORE EXACT LOCATION, BUT YOU CAN SEE THEY OPERATE MINES ON BOTH SIDES THE ROAD, SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S AROUND IN

THIS AREA. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

IS THAT BLOCKING INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR ANY OTHER LANDOWNERS

IN REGION, PARTICULARLY FARMERS? >> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW THE

ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. >> DR. HILSENBECK: ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. MILLER.

>> MR. MILLER: ELLEN, IT WAS AN APPEAL IN OCTOBER IN FRONT OF THE BCC. DO YOU KNOW IF ANY OF THE WITNESSES WERE PLACED UNDER OATH IN THAT MEETING?

>> SPEAKER: I DO BELIEVE THEY WERE.

>> MR. MILLER: SO THAT MIGHT AB A REMINDER FOR ANYBODY WHO

WANTS TO TESTIFY TODAY. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER WARDS

CARDS? >> MR. PIERRE: YES, SIR, WE DO. JOHN WILLIAMS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: TO FOLLOW WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME, WE'LL

GIVE YOU SIX MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> SPEAKER: I SAW THE APPLICANT TOOK ABOUT 18 MINUTES, MR. CHAIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: I UNDERSTAND THAT.

HE TOOK THEM. YES, HE DID.

>> AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT TOOK 18 MINUTES OR MORE SO WE WOULD ASK FOR ADDITIONAL TIME AS AN ADVERSE PARTY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YEAH, I'LL GIVE YOU SIX MINUTES.

>> SPEAKER: GENEROUS. THANK YOU.

JAMES WHITEHOUSE ST. JOHN LAW GROUP 104 SEA GROVE ST. JOHNS COUNT, FLORIDA. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF SRM.

YOU SATISFY THEY ARE THE ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNER TO THIS. I THINK ONE PLACE TO START ESPECIALLY IS WHY ARE WE HERE. YOU HEARD THE APPLICANT ASK YOU QUL ARE WE HERE. WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THE EVER THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE SAME THING THE COMMISSION TOLD THEM THEY COULDN'T DO BACK IN 2018. THEY SEEM TO SAY AND SHE SAID AT THE END WE WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR THIS HAUL ROUTE IF NOT FOR THE APPEARANCE OF THE OBJECTED TO THE SAFETY ISSUES.

I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE COMMISSION MEETING.

I DON'T KNOW IF OF YOU GUYS DID, BUT THE OCTOBER 1, 2019 APPEAL HEARING ON THIS ISSUE, THE ISSUE CAME UP AS TO THE SAFETY PARTICULARLY AS TO THIS CANAL ROUTE 14 THAT COMES INTO MARY SIDE LANE, AND IF COMMISSION FOUND THAT THE APPROPRIATE ROUTE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SOUTHERN ROUTE.

MR. WILLIAMS WAS ASKED ABOUT THAT UNDER OATH, I BELIEVE, MR. MILLER, AND HE SAID IF HE HAD TO PICK ONE, HE WOULD PICK THE SOUTHERN ROUTE. I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE -- AND AGAIN, WHY ARE WE HERE? PART OF IT IS IT LOOKS LIKE THE STAFF CLEARLY HAD SOME QUESTIONS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF COMMENTS.

PART OF IT IS ON THIS SHEET, THESE ARE THE OPEN COMMENTS, THEY SAID WE BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR NORTHERN ROUTE BUT WE'RE NOT CLEAR. IT ROOKS TO ME FROM HEARING THIS PRESENTATION TODAY THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE SOUTHERN ROUTE AND THE NORTHERN ROUTE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE ARE SOME ISSUES AS TO THAT. YOU CAN LOOK AND SEE IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND I'LL TENDER THIS FOR THE RECORD BUT IT'S IN YOUR PACKET, IT SAYS AFTER REVIEWING THE OCTOBER 1ST, 2019 BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING THE HAUL ROUTE WAS ALTERED DURING THE MEETING DIE CERNTS SAFETY OF THE HAUL ROUTE DUE TO THE WIDTH OF THE CANAL NUMBER 14.

SO IT'S NOT ME TESTIFYING. THIS IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID THE ISSUE WAS.

YOU ALSO SAW THAT THERE WERE ENVIRONMENT A CONCERNS AND MR. HILSENBECK TALKED ABOUT IT. WANT JUST FOR THE PROPERTY ITSELF. IT WAS ALSO FOR THE CLEARING OF THIS HAUL ROUTE OR THIS ROUTE 14.

AGAIN, IN YOUR PACKET IS IN THE APPLICATION, THERE WAS AN ORDER ON THE APPEAL IN THE PACKET, AND SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT.

SINCE I'M LIMITED TO TIME, I WON'T DWELL ON THAT.

I I THINK I DO WANT TO SHOW YOU, THOUGH, THESE PARTICULAR DIAGRAMS. NUMBER ONE, THIS IS -- THIS IS THE PROPERTY ITSELF, AS YOU HEARD FROM MS. ELLEN AVERY-SMITH. MY CLIENT OWNS PROPERTY IN THE PUTNAM SIDE, THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SIDE.

THIS WHOLE PROPERTY HERE, THIS WHOLE PROPERTY HERE THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING, THEY WILL OR ANOTHER ENTITY HAS BEEN MINING THIS AREA SINCE ABOUT 2008. AND SO THAT'S APPROPRIATE, I THINK, LOOKING AT THESE DIFFERENT ROUTES, YOU CAN SEE

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WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT OUR PROPERTY.

THE THE TWO ISSUES ARE THE SAFETY WHICH THE COMMISSION FOUND IS THERE WERE SAFETY ISSUES WITH USING THIS HAUL ROUTE 14, THE SECOND IS THE USE OF OUR PROPERTY.

THEY HAVE THE OBLIGATION UNDER YOUR CODE, OUR CODE, TO APPROVE TO YOU THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY AND THE HAUL ROUTE THEY'RE USING THAT THEY HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT OF ACCESS TO THAT.

I THINK PART OF THAT IS THIS SECTION, AND THIS IS YURI MAP.

THIS IS COUNTY. I HAVE IT RIGHT AT THE TOP.

THIS IS THE COUNTY SHOWING WHERE THE PROPERTIES ARE. YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY THAT THIS IS WHERE THE SRM PROPERTY IS. YOU CAN ALSO SEE CLEARLY THAT THIS IS WHERE THE CANAL DISTRICT PROPERTY IS.

THIS IS THE AREA THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE'S A CONTROVERSY.

WELL, THE CONTROVERSY IS, AND THIS IS YOUR IMAP.

THIS IS COUNTY RECORDS AND SIEL HOE THE PROPERTY APPRAISER THAT SELLS TELLS YOU THE SAME THING, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE TRUCK OVER HERE IS BLOCKING THEIR ROUTE.

EL WELL, LOOK. YOU CAN SEE FROM YOUR OWN MAPS THAT THIS IS WHERE THE CANAL PROPERTY IS.

THIS ROAD THAT RUNS UP AND DOWN THE SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY IS ON OUR PROPERTY. THEORY ASKING TO USE A ROUTE THAT'S ON OUR PROPERTY, WHICH THEY CAN'T USE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT ACCESS.

THAT'S ONE OF QUALIFICATIONS. I KNOW MS. AVERY-SMITH, YOU KNOW, SPED THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT SAYING SHE'S JUST PUTTING IT ON THE RECORD.

WELL, THOSE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER. LEGAL ACCESS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE HAUL ROUTES. I THINK PART OF IT IS, AND HERE'S YOUR IMAP AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE FROM A LARGER PORTION THAT THIS PROPERTY WHERE THE CANAL PROPERTY IS IS NOT WHERE THE ROAD IS. THE PROCEEDED ROAD IS ON MS PROPERTY, AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S MAP REAL QUICK BECAUSE I KNOW I'M GOING TO ROWFNT TIME HERE AND THEN I'LL SHOW YOU THE PICTURES, BUT THIS IS AGAIN A PROPERTY APPRAISER SHOWING THAT CANAL PROPERTY IS OVER HERE.

THIS IS THE SRM PROPERTY. A CLOSE-UP.

SAME THING. SRM PROPERTY.

CANAL PROPERTY. AND I'LL TENDER THE ALL THESE FOR THE RECORD BUT IT SHOWS THE SAME THING ZOOMED IN AND ZOOMED OUT. AGAIN I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU PICTURES OF THE AREA THAT SHE TALKED ABOUT, AND THESE ARE SAFETY ISSUES. THIS IS WHERE -- THIS IS LOOKING OUT TOWARDS 207 AND THIS IS THAT EMERGENCY SIDE LANE.

THIS IS THE PART WHERE THE CANAL IS OVER HERE AND THIS IS MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY HERE. THIS IS THE INTERSECTION.

THIS INTERSECTION IS AN ACTIVE INTERSECTION.

SO EVEN IF YOU FIND THAT THERE ARE SOME ISSUES AS TO THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP, THERE'S ISSUES WITH SAFETY, AND I THINK THE COMMISSION FOUND THAT, AND I'LL JUST CONCLUDE WITH SAYING THAT THE TWO MAIN ISSUES FOR TO YOU CONSIDER ARE SAFETY, WHICH THE COMMISSION FOUND WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE HAUL ROUTE 14, AND I WOULD POSIT TO YOU THAT THIS IS SAFETY AS WELL.

YOUR STAFF WILL TELL YOU, AND YOU SAW FROM THE STAFF REPORT, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT USE THEIR SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITHIN A YEAR.

YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITHIN A YEAR OR IT GOES VOID YOU. SEE THAT FROM THE STAFF REPORT.

THE STAFF WILL TELL YOU THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE, NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, ALL THE ASPERSIONS TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE COMMISSION, YOU CAN WATCH IT YOURSELF BUT THE REASON WAS THE COMMISSION FOUND AND IT'S CLEAR IN YOUR STAFF REPORT THERE WERE ISSUES SAFETY ISSUES WITH THIS NORTHERN ROUTE AND THEY CHANGED IT TO THE SOUTHERN ROUTE. THANK YOU.

MR. WILLIAMS WANT TO ADDRESS BUT HE CAN DO THAT UNDER PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> TERESA BISHOP: .

>> SPEAKER: HE SPOKE AS A REPRESENTED PARTY AND GOT EXTRA TIME. HE IS COUNSEL FOR MR. WILLIAMS.

>> SPEAKER: I AM COUNCIL FOR SRM.

MR. WILLIAMS IS THE MANAGER OF THE PROPERTY SINCE 2014.

I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR MR. WILLIAMS.

I'M SPEAKING FOR SRM. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. WILLIAMS, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES MIRVETLE I HAVE A QUESTION.

YOU'VE GOT PICTURES OF THE IMAP. DO YOU HAVE DO YOU HAVE ANY SURVEYS SHOWING THE PROPERTY BROWNED BOUND SIMPLY.

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T HAVE A CURRENT SUR SCRAI.

AS YOU KNOW, MR. MILLER BE, THROUGH THE CHAIR, THE OBLIGATION IS UPON THE APPLICANT TO SHOW THEY HAVE LEGAL ACCESS, NOT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. I'M SHOWING YOU WHAT I HAVE

AVAILABLE TO MYSELF TODAY. >> MR. MILLER: FIRST OF ALL, PLEASE DON'T RESPOND WITH WHAT I KNOW OR DON'T KNOW.

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION. >> SPEAKER: I DID.

THANK YOU, SIR. >> MR. MATOVINA:

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO, MR. WHITEHOUSE, THOSE AERIAL PHOTOS FROM THE IMAP AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS DEFINITELY INTERESTING, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESOLVE THOSE WITHOUT A SURVEY, ACTUAL SURVEY, BUT YOU

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>> SPEAKER: NO, THAT ROAD -- OH, YOU MEAN WHAT SHE SHOWED

COMPARED TO WHAT I SHOWED? >> DR. HILSENBECK: JUST TO WEST OF YOUR CLIENT'S ROAD THAT YOU SHOWED IS CLEARLY, ACCORDING TO THE IMAP AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS, IS ON YOUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY. THAT AREA TO THE WEST TWENTY YOUR CLIENT'S' PROPERTY, THAT ROAD, THE HAUL ROUTE THEY'RE UTILIZING AND THE ACTUAL CANAL, IS THAT A VIABLE CONDUIT FOR

DRIVING TRUCKS? >> SPEAKER: THERE'S A CANAL THERE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD A ROAD.

>> DR. HLSENBECK: IT LOOKED LKE THERE WAS SOME DRY LAND AND THEN THE CANAL. NO? I MEAN, I SEE THE SHADOWS OF THE TREES.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S A CANAL THAT'S IN THERE AND IT'S ALL VEGETATION HIFNLTS SO THAT'S STRICTLY ALL CANAL.

AND SOS -- THOSE SHAD ORES COMING FROM WEST TO THE

CANAL, IS THAT CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: WELL, IT'S VEGETATIVE. THE CANAL IS GROWN OVER WITH VEGETATION, YES, SIR. I THINK THE ISSUE IS THE ROAD THAT'S BUILT YOU SEE WAS NOT A CANAL PROPERTY ROAD.

MY CLIENT BUILT THAT PROPERTY OR THE OWNER OF THIS MINE THAT IS NOW MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY BUILT THAT ROAD WAY BACK WHEN, NOT

CANAL DISTRICT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: ALL RIGHT.

SO HAS YOUR CLIENT ACQUIRED ANY MORE PROPERTY SINCE THE COUNTY

COMMISSION MEETING IN 2019? >> SPEAKER: IN REFERENCE TO?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WAS THIS ROAD CLEARLY ON THEIR PROPERTY

IN 2019? >> SPEAKER: YES.

THIS IS THE SAME. >> DR. HILSENBECK: ABOUT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERRERS TAKE THAT INTO RECORD IN THE HEARING? YOU WATCHED IT.

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T REMEMBER THAT COMING UP BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY MORE ABOUT SAFETY BECAUSE IT HAD -- IT CAME DOWN TO MORE THIS NORTHERN ROUTE FOR 14, AND THEN FINDING THAT THAT WAS -- THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT WAS SAFE, AND I THINK PART OF THE FINDING, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE ORDER ITSELF, EVEN FROM THE ORDER THAT CAME FROM, SHE SAYS, THIS BOARD, NOT NECESSARILY THIS BOARD BUT THE PZA, THAT THEY COULD USE THAT PROPERTY. WELL, MAYBE THEY CAN USE THAT PROPERTY BUT THAT'S NOT -- IF THAT'S NOT THE PROPERTY THEY ARE USING, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU COULD APPROVE SOMETHING AND SAY I CAN HAVE THIS OVER HERE, BUT IF WHAT I'M DOING IS NOT ON THIS PROPERTY OVER HERE, THEN IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE, AND I. IT IS APPROPRIATE TO BRING IT UP TO YOU TODAY AND THAT'S WHY I EMPHASIZE AND STAFF CAN TELL YOU THIS IS ALMOST A NEW SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR SO IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BRING UP THOSE ISSUES NOW EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T COME UP IN THE PAST.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I AGREE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BRING THEM UP BUT I'M CURIOUS WHY THE BOARDS OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN 2019 HEARING TESTIMONY FROM PERHAPS SEVERAL PARTIES WOULD GRANT THIS NEW MINE, COASTAL, ACCESS THROUGH YOUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY ON A ROAD ON THEIR PROPERTY.

WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT? >> SPEAKER: HI THERE WAS NO ARGUMENT ABOUT THIS SECTION OF THE ROAD.

YOU HEARD EVEN IN THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT TODAY, THE MAJORITY OF THE ARGUMENT WAS ABOUT CAN WE USE THE CANAL ROUTES. CAN WE USE PUTNAM COUNTY ROAD? THERE WAS NOT REALLY A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS SECTION, WHICH IS BETWEEN MY CLIENT'S -- ON MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY.

THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, IN OTHER WORDS.

SO TOWARD ITSELF DIDN'T SAY YOU CAN USE THEIR PROPERTY.

ITEM NUMBER SAID YOU CAN USE CANAL PROPERTY, AND THEY HAVEN'T UTILIZED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SINCE THEN AND, OF COURSE, I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY THE DEB DIDN'T TAKE ANY ACTION IN COURT AGAINST THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ATTEMPTED USE OF THAT PROPERTY UNTIL NOW AND THE COUNTY SAID HAVE TO RENEW YOUR SPEBL USE PERMIT BECAUSE IT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: ELLEN AVERY-SITH SHOWED US A LETTER FROM JOHNNY COUNTS, HEAD OF THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT, SAYING THAT THOSE RIGHTS-OF-WAY ARE UTILIZABLE.

>> SPEAKER: I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LETTER, MR. HILSENBECK, IT WAS SAYING THIS THEY CAN USE THE CANAL RIGHT-OF-WAY. IT WASN'T SAYING THAT THAT ROAD

IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO DOES A CANAL -- THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT WITH THIS AERIAL YOU HAVE UP NOW. IS THERE A CANAL RIGHT-OF-WAY THERE THAT'S SUITABLE TO DRIVE A DUMP TRUCK DOWN?

OR UP. >> SPEAKER: WHEN WE SPEAK OF RIOTS, A RIGHT-OF-WAY COULD JUST BE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY DEVELOPED. IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S

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I DON'T THINK THAT PARTICULAR LETTER SAYS THAT THIS PART OF THE ROAD THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE SMR PROPERTY IS OUR ROAD I THINK THEY'RE SAYING, HEY, WE GIVE PERMISSION FOR THIS, THIS PARTY TO USE OUR PROPERTY, OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY, WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS IN THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY I THINK THAT'S IN DISPUTE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. >> SPEAKER: AGAIN, I THINK IT'S CONVOLUTED. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR EXTRA TIME.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU SAID IT'S CONVOLUTED.

I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND AND IT GRASP ULTRA FACTS ALL THES HERE. DOES YOUR CLIENT OBJECT TO THE NORTHERN ROUTE COMING OUTLET ONTO FLEAN?

THERE SAFETY ISSUES? >> SPEAKER: YES.

I THINK THE SAFETY ISSUES AND ARE AGAIN THEY CAME UP AT THE COMMISSION MEETING BUT IT'S THEM TURNING -- FIRST OF ALL, COMING DOWN THIS CANAL ROUTE. SHE SHOWED YOU THE PART THAT'S GRASSY. SHE DID NOTE SHO YOU SHOW YOUE PART -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTION THAT IS -- BUT THAT'S PAST THE FIELD THAT'S ALL TREES, AND THAT'S WHERE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR PACKET, THAT'S WHERE THE ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT IS SAYING WE HAVE QUESTIONS. THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP THE MIDDLE OF THAT PROPERTY, WHICH IS THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH IS FULLY TREED, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO TURN TO THE LEFT AND GO OUT -- I THINK THIS IS GOOD -- THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP THE MIDDLE OF THIS PROPERTY HERE,

RIGHT? >> DR. HILSENBECK: YEP.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY.

THEY'RE GOING TO TURN TO THE LEFT AND GO OUT.

THE PORTION SHE SHOWED YOU IS THE PORTION RIGHT HERE.

SHE DID NOT SHOW YOU THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS ALMOST IMPASSABLE. I WAS JUST OUT THERE A WEEK AGO.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WAS GOING TO ASK HAVE YOU BEEN OUT THERE.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. AND MR. WILLIAMS CAN BE A FACT WITNESS. HE'S GOING TO. TESTIFY.

BUT THIS IS ALMOST IMPASSABLE HERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP THIS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT, THAT'S WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL DIVISION -- MAYBE SOMEBODY'S HERE TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE QUESTIONING.

THEY'RE SAYING ARE THERE TREES IN HERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVETEAU TO TAKE OUT? WE HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT IF THERE ARE. AND AGAIN THERE'S A SPROOT BORROW PIT APPLICATION THAN THERE IS TO THIS APPLICATION AND I THINK IT'S CONVOLUTED FOR A PURPOSE.

I DON'T WANT TO CAST ASPERSIONS BUT I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES THAT ARE NOT -- AND FOG BACK TO THE PART ABOUT THE SURVEY, I HAVE A SURVEY REQUEST IN BUT YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT'S TAKING THE GET SURVEYS BACK TODAY.

THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO USE WHAT I HAVE TO SHOW YOU WHAT'S GOING

ON. >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GOING TO OBJECT TO MR. WHITEHOUSE'S CONTINUED USE OF MISCHARACTERIZATION. HE WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETINGS OR THE PZA MEETINGS IN 2019, AND SO I THINK THAT HE SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT HE REPRESENTS TO THIS BOARD ON THE PUBLIC PRORD RECORD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. OKAY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I DON'T HAVE ANY HOR MORE QUESTIONS MOMENT. THANK YOU, MR. WHITEHOUSE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. WMENTS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. MR. WILLIAMS.

>> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIR, CONSIDERING THIS WITNESS TESTIFIED UNDER OATH AT THE BCC HEARING, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUE DON'T DENT TO PUT HIM UNDER OATH FOR THIS HEARING.

>> MR. MATOVINA: COUNTY ATTORNEY.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME. I, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

>> I, JOHN WILLIAMS. >> SWEAR AND AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

>> TO TELL THE TRUTH BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU,

MR. WILLIAMS. >> AND MY NAME ISION WILLIAMS LIVE AT 305 ROYAL CARIBBEAN COURT.

I AM CURRENTLY EMPLOYED WITH SRM MATERIALS.

I PREVIOUSLY RAN THE MINES IN HASTINGS, BOTH THE PUTNAM COUNTY MINE AND THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY MINE UNDER A BIG HORSE AND EAST COAST ARGUE VATS GATS BEFORE IT WAS PURCHASED BY SSRP.

I HOPE EVERYBODY IS SWORN TO TELL THE TRUTH IN HERE.

THAT WOULD BE A REALLY BIG HELP. IF EVERYBODY HAD TO TELL THE TRUTH. ONE OF THE THINGS MRS. AVERY-SMITH LEFT OUT WAS 2019 WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS ISSUE CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD.

IT CAINL IN 20 VEREEN 2018, EARLY 2018.

AND AT THAT MEETING THEY WERE REJECTED OR TOLD IT WAS TABLED OR SOMETHING, AND THEY WERE TOLD TO COME AND GET WITH US AND TO WORK IT OUT. ALL THESE ISSUES WERE PRESENT THEN, AND THEY'VE BEEN PRESENT EVER SINCE.

THE ONLY TIME THAT WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IS IF WE HAPPEN TO SEE A SIGN POSTED, YOU KNOW, OR READ IN THE

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OKAY? YOU THEY SAID THEIR HAUL ROAD IS COMPLETE, AND WE'RE BLOCKING THEM FROM COMING OUT.

IT'S NOT COMPLETE. THEY CAME IN AND CUT OUR FENCE THAT WE HAD SINCE 2008. IT HAD BEEN UP THERE.

THEY QUUT OUR FENCE, USED OUR ACCESS -- CUT OUR FENCE, USED OUR ACCESS WHERE WE HAD THE GATE.

SHE SAID THAT WAS MARYFIELD LANE OR CANAL 17.

THAT'S NOT TRUE. IT'S OUR PROPERTY.

WE'VE BEEN USING IT SINCE 2008 AND THEY COME AND CUT THE FENCE, LEFT THE MINE EXPOSED FROM PEOPLE COMING FROM THE SOUTH.

WHEN OUR GATE'S OPEN, THEY WERE COMING THROUGH OUR GATE AND ACCESSING THAT ROUTE BY PICKUP TRUCK, BUT THE ROAD'S NOT COMPLETE. IT'S NEVER BEEN COMPLETE AND IT'S NOT A ROAD. THERE WERE NO STUDIES FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THAT I KNOW OF PRIOR TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING. THERE'S WETLANDS ISSUES OUT THERE NOW THAT STILL HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED.

THERE'S DRAINAGE ISSUES. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION A ROAD PLAN, YOU KNOW, BUILD A ROAD TO COUNTY SPECS AND ALL OF THAT AND NONE OF THAT'S EVER BEEN DONE.

LET ME SEE. STWHAS THE COUNTY COMMISSION THAT MADE THE DECISION FOR THAT ROUTE.

THEY WERE NOT BEING NICE. THE COMMISSION WAS BEING NICE.

THEY LLOYD ALLOWED THEM, THED AMONGST THEMSELVES WHY DIDN'T THEY COME UP THAT ROUTE, AND THEY ASKED ME WHY, YOU KNOW, IF I OBJECTED TO THAT ROUTE. I SAID, AND IT'S ON THE RECORD AND I JUST TOOK THE OATH AGAIN, THAT I WOULD PREFER THAT THEY DIDN'T GO AT ALL, BUT IF WE HAD TO CHOOSE A ROUTE, THAT WOULD BE

THE ROUTE. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU,

MR. WILLIAMS. >> SPEAKER: THROUGH THE CHERRY JUST WITH WANT TO ASK SINCE S UNDER OATH I'M GOING TO CYTE JENNINGS VERSUS DADE COUNTY AND CRAPO VERSUS ACADEMY WHETHER THE APPLICANT WANTS TO CROSS-EXAMINE THE WITNESS.

>> SPEAKER: YES. I TEAL ACTUALLY DO.

MR. WILLIAMS, HAS ANYONE FROM THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT COME AND ASKED YOU TO MOVE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS, SCALES OR ANY PILES OF DIRT OUT OF -- OWF OFF OF THEIR RIGHT-OF-WAY?

>> SPEAKER: YES. >> SPEAKER: AND HAVE YOU DONE

THAT? >> SPEAKER: NO, BECAUSE IT'S

NOT ON THEIR RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> SPEAKER: SO THERE'S A DISPUTEEN AND AND YOU THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT ABOUT

WHOSE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WHERE. >> SPEAKER: I DON'T HAVE A DISPUTE. THE DISPUTE WAS WITH THE DIRT, AND I WALKED WITH MR. COUNTS, AND I SAID, THIS CLEARLY IS NOTHING TO DO WITH US. THIS IS WHERE THE CANAL WAS DUG, AND HE AGREED TO THAT, SO THAT WAS THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I HAD

WITH THE DIRT. >> SPEAKER: ABOUT IT HASN'T

BEEN RELOCATED. >> SPEAKER: NO.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: AND WHAT'S THAT

GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING? >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. WILLIAMS, THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME?

>> MR. MATOVINA: NO, YOU CAN'T.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: YOU'RE

WELCOME. >> DR. HILSENBECK: IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT, I WOULD LIKE HIM TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION. OTHERWISE I DON'T THINK I CAN

SCROAT ON THIS. >> SPEAKER: DR. HILSENBECK, WITH DUE RESPECT THIS GENTLEMAN. ♪ A SURVEYOR.

HE HAS BEEN OPERATING A COMPETING MINE AND OBVIOUSLY HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN SURE THAT THE COMPETING MINE IS NOT OPERATIONAL, AND SOME OF WHAT YOU HEARD FROM MR. WHITEHOUSE, AND I'M GOING TO GIVE HIM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT BECAUSE HE DID NOT REPRESENT MR. WILLIAMS. MR. WILLIAMS' DAUGHTER ACTUALLY REPRESENTED HIM BACK IN 2019, BUT MR. WHITEHOUSE MISCHARACTERIZED MUCH OF THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS PROVIDED BY MR. WILLIAMS AND IF DELIBERATION OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION AT THAT OCTOBER 1, 2019 MEETING. MR. WILLIAMS WAS SPECIFICALLY ASKED OAT RECORD ON THE RECH ROUTE HE PREFERRED, AND HE SAID THE SOUTHERN ROUTE, BUT HE SPECIFICALLY SAID HE DIDN'T WANT

ANY ROUTE. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S TRUE.

>> SPEAKER: AND THAT'S WHERE THE COULD NUN DPRUM IS.

AND WHERE THE PROPERTY LINES ARE ARE NOT CLEAR ON THE GIS WEBSITE OR MAPPING, AND SO WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS SIMPLY A HAUL ROUTE ON HAS A HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT PROPERTY. AND IF THE HAUL ROUTE IS ON THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT PROPERTY, HOW COASTAL AGGREGATES IS GOING TO GET TO STATE ROAD 207.

THEIR PURPOSEFULLY MUDDYING THE WATERS BECAUSE YOUR BOARD DOES

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PLANCHTS THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS.

>> SPEAKER: CAN I JUST SAY THAT I THINK THIS IS VERY UNFAIR THAT I CAN'T FINISH THE POINTS THAT SHE'S BROUGHT UP.

THERE'S A LOT OF POINTS THAT ARE COMPLETELY -- SHE'S

MISCHARACTERIZED. >> MR. MATOVINA: THIS IS NOT A

DEBATE. >> SPEAKER: I'M NOT DEBATING.

>> MR. MATOVINA: CAN YOU PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEAT?

>> SPEAKER: I SURE WILL. >> MR. MATOVINA:

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'D LIKE TO DR. ELLEN AVERY-SMITH WHAT IS YOUR CLIENT'S LEGAL ACCESS TO

THEIR PROPERTY? >> SPEAKER: MY CLIENT'S LEGAL ACCESS. CAN I -- SORRY.

I'M GOING TO -- SORRY, I WENT THE WRONG WAY.

SO, AND I'M GOING TO ANSWER A LOT -- I'M GOING TO PROVIDE ALSO REBUTTAL TO MR. WHITEHOUSE AND MR. WILLIAMS IN JUST A MINUTE.

THE LEGAL ACEVEDO TO THIS PROPERTY -- ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY FROM A TITLE PERSPECTIVE IS DOWN IN WAY AND OUT CRACKER SWAMP ROAD. COUNTY STAFF DOES NOT AGREE THAT THAT IS A SAFE HAUL ROUTE FOR THIS PROPERTY.

SO IN ORDER TO GET DOWN THIS WAY, THIS CLIENT'S PROPERTY AGAIN, THE SHAWFNER PROPERTY IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO LAND OWNED BY THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT KNOWN AS CANAL 14.

THEY ALSO HAVE LAND DOWN IN THIS AREA THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL RIGHT-OF-WAY 13.

THE REASON THAT THIS HUELL ROUTE WAS PROPOSED BEFORE -- HAUL ROUTE WAS PROPOSED BEFORE HASS WERE WILLIAMS TESTIFIED TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION THAT'S THE HAUL ROUTE HE PREFERRED WHICH IS WHY THIS HAUL ROUTE WAS TAKEN OFF THE TABLE.

I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE'S CHARACTERIZATION OF NOT BEING SAFE BECAUSE THE BOARD SPECIFICALLY ASKED BOTH PARTIES TO COOPERATE WITH ONE ANOTHER, TO MAKE SURE THAT TRUCKS COULD SAFELY PASS, REGARDLESS OF WHICH HAUL ROUTE WAS USED. TO GO TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE TREES, IF THERE ARE ANY -- SO WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS HERE.

ONE IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE'RE DEALING WITH THE HAUL ROUTE.

MY CLIENT'S MINE HAS ALREADY STARTED DIGGING, AND SO WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAUL THE MATERIAL OUT ON THE HAUL ROUTE THAT YOU SEE ON THIS MAP HERE. THERE'S A SEPARATE APPLICATION TO -- SO BACK IN 2019 THERE WAS ALSO A CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPLICATION TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE BORO PIT.

THOSE ARE CONSTRUCTION PLANS. THEY'RE BEYOND MY SCOPE OF KNOWLEDGE. BUT PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS DEALT WITH THE HAUL ROUTE WHICH, OF COURSE, WENT TO THE SOUTH BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN MR. WILLIAMS SAID HE PREFERRED.

SO NOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO THE NORTH, BIOTECH HAS FILED AN AMENDMENT, IF YOU WILL, TO THOSE BORROW PIT CONSTRUCTION PLANS TO ALLOW THIS HAUL ROUTE OUT THIS WAY WITHIN THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT OWNED LAND. BECAUSE EVEN IF MY CLIENTS NEED TO BUILD A ROAD WITHIN THAT HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT OWNED LAND, THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM ON THE UPLAND TO BE ABLE TOO BUILD IT. BUT IF THEY NEED TO ALSO REMOVE TREES, WHICH IS A POINT THAT STAFF WAS MAKING IN THE OTHER APPLICATION, THERE MAY NEED TO BE TREE REMOVAL.

THERE WAS TREE REMOVAL FOR THIS BORROW PIT SITE.

IF YOU SEE THIS THIS IS AN OLDER AERIAL.

THIS SIDE IS NOW CLEARED. THEY HAD TO REMOVE TREES TO DIG FILL MATERIAL FROM THE BORROW PIT.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE P SO IF TREES NEED TO BE REMOVED TO GET THE ACCESS TO HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL 14 OWNED LAND, THEN MY CLIENTS WILL APPLY AND PAY INTO THE TREE MITIGATION FUND, JUST LIKE THEY DID FOR THE MINE PROPERTY ITSELF.

SO THAT'S COMMENT NUMBER ONE. COMMENT NUMBER TWO IS THAT THEIS THAT THERE IS A BALD EAGLE NORTHWEST SOMEWHERE IN THIS VICINITY. MR. MILTON WHO IS WITH BIOTECH CAN COP UM AND TESTIFY WITH REGARD THAT TO THAT EAGLE, BUT THERE ARE STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS THAT GOVERN EAGLE PROTECTION ZONES, IF YOU WILL, 330 FEET FROM THE NEST AND 660 PEET FROMT FROM THE NEST, AND THERE ARE CERTAIN TIMINGS YEAR WHEN YOU CAN AND CANNOT INTERFERE WITH THE EAGLES DURING EAGLE MATING SEASON AND ALL OF THAT, SO WE'RE AWARE OF ALL OF THOSE PARAMETERS, AND WE OWE COMMENTS BACK TOTE STAFF WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TO COMPLETE THAT OTHER BOR BORROW PIT MODIFICATION APPLICATION.

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MOST OF THIS -- AND AGAIN, I WILL GO BACK TO SOMETIMES THE COUNTY'S GIS MAPPING SYSTEM IS RIGHT, SOMETIMES IT'S NO EXACTLY RIGHT, BUT THE POINT HERE IS THERE IS A SAFE ACCESS AND A LEGAL WAY TO GET OUT FROM THE SHAWFNER PROPERTY DOWN THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT-OWNED LAND TO OTHER DRAINAGE DISTRICT-OWNED LAND INTO PUTNAM COUNTY, AND I THINK THAT IT IS -- IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE, MR. WHITEHOUSE CLAIMS THAT CANAL 17 RIGHT-OF-WAY IS TAKEN UP COMPLETELY BY A CANAL.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE. I THINK IT LOOKS SIMILAR TO THIS WHERE THERE'S A TOP OF BANK THAT IS OWNED BY THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT AND THERE ARE TREES THAT GO ALONG THE SIDE OF THE CANAL THAT'S ALSO LOCATED IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, ANDNESS THE SITUATION WE'RE IN. ALSO, IT'S ALSO BEEN THE PRACTICE IN THE HASTINGS AREA WHERE NEIGHBORS TREAT OTHERS, MOST NEIGHBORS TREAT OTHERS WITH RESPECT, THAT THEY USE THE ROADS THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY BEATEN USED BY EVERYONE IN HASTINGS REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE ROAD IS LOCATED.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO GO BUILD PARALLEL ROADS BECAUSE YOU'RE 5 FEET ONTO THE NEXT GUY'S PROPERTY.

THEY'VE ALL BEEN ACTING AS NEIGHBORS FOR ALL THESE YEARS, AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO GET TO THAT POINT BY AGREEING WITH MR. WILLIAMS ON THE SOUTHERN ROUTE THREE YEARS AGO BUT THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS NOT WORKED. AND SO WE'RE JUST RESPECTFULLY ASKING TO GO THE NORTHERN ROUTE SO WE CAN BE ASSURED THAT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY CAN BE USED AND NOT BLOCKED.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WAS GOING ASK YOU TO SHOW THIS EXACT PHOTO AGAIN AS YOU WERE SCROLLING BACK THROUGH AND YOU PASSED THIS ONE TO GO TO THE ONE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.

I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TO SHOW THIS BECAUSE CLEARLY THERE IS A, WHAT PIERCE TO BE A RIGHT-OF-WAY THERE THAT IS NOT TREED AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO THE LEFT IN THIS PHOTO HAS A FENCE ALONG THEIR PROPERTY LINE, SO DO WE HAVE A SIMILAR PHOTO LIKE

THIS OF CANAL 17 RIGHT-OF-WAY? >> SPEAKER: I DO NOT HAVE ONE NOW. LET ME GO AND LOOK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: BECAUSE WHAT I WANT TO DETERMINE, IS THERE A CLEARED RIGHT-OF- THAT'S OWNED, ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT ALONG 17.

AND I BELIEVE MR. WHITEHOUSE HAD A PHOTO OF THAT SPANCHTS.

>> AND I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF WHAT MR. WHITEHOUSE BROUGHT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I KNOW YOU DO NOT.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE CAN BE PERMITTED SHOW THAT AGAIN BUT I'D LIKE TO -- I WANTED TO DRIVE OUT THERE YESTERDAY BUT I FIGURED THERE WAS NO WAY I COULD ACCESS THIS PROPERTY WITH MINES OUT THERE. TYPICALLY THERE'S A LOT OF SECURITY AND FENCES, AND LIKE YOU SHOWED MATERIAL, NO TRESPASSING SIGNS, SO I DIDN'T GO OUT THERE TO LOOK AND I'M

SORRY I DIDN'T. >> SPEAKER: WELL, AND I WOULD SAY IF YOU LOOK, DR. HILSENBECK, I THINK THAT WHAT MR. WHITEHOUSE WAS SLOWING WAS DOWN ABOUT THIS AREA.

I BELIEVE IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND LOOK, THIS AREA, AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE I UNDERSTAND IS OWNED BY SRM BUT THEN TATER LEE AND SOME OTHERS OWN NORTH, AND SO I BELIEVE THAT YOU SEE THIS ROAD IN. SRM WAS REQUIRED BY ITS PRIOR APPROVAL FROM 2008 TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS ROAD WAS CONSTRUCTED AND IMPROVED AS A HAUL ROUTE. SO THIS, THIS AREA IS CLEARED AND IS OPEN AS A ROAD, IF YOU WILL.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: HAVE YOU BEEN OUT TO THE PROPERTY?

>> SPEAKER: IRVE OUT AS FAR AS WHERE THIS IS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MS. SMITH? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. I JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY BUT TO THE RECORD SINCE WILL WAS SO MANY QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE PERMIT HAD EXPIRED, WE HAVE MADE A FIND EVER FINDING OF FACT THAT WE SHUTTING THAT YOU INCORPORATE, THAT WOULD SAY SINCE THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE MECHANICALLY BETWEEN A MODIFICATION AND A BRAND NEW APPLICATION, THAT WE WOULD -- WE'RE APPROVING NOT ONLY THE ADDITIONAL HAUL ROUTE BUT REAPPROVING WHAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2019 JUST ON OFF CHANCE THAT IT CLOSES A LOOPHOLE WHERE POTENTIALLY THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO LITIGATE SAYING THAT THE INITIAL PERMIT HAD EXPIRED, AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, PLEASE ASK THAT OF ME BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD AND YOU ADOPT THAT AS ONE OF THE

FINDINGS OF FACT. >>>

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>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> MR. MATOVINA: ME? I DO.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THERE WAS A QUESTION ON WHETHER THEY COMMENCED MINING WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT BEFORE. WERE YOU ADDRESSING THAT FINDING

OF FACT? >> SPEAKER: CORRECT.

WE REVIEWED OUR RECORDS. IT SHOWED THAT THEY DID EXPEDITIOUSLY BEGIN APPLYING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

WE DEFINE COMMENCEMENT AS WHEN THEY ARE ISSUED A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. IT TOOK LONGER THAN ONE YEAR FOR THEM TO GET A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, BUT THEY DID GET A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, AND SO THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. SO IT THEORETICALLY COULD BE SUGGESTED THAT THE BEST WAY TO DO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR CLOSE TO A YEAR FOR THEM TO ADMINISTRATIVELY REQUEST SINCE THEY WERE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, TO HAVE IT EXTENDED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

THEY DIDN'T DO THAT. BUT WE -- THEY STILL NEVERTHELESS WERE ISSUED A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND THINGS

HAVE STARTED. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO YOU FIND THEM IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT BASICALLY.

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T WANT TO TAKE A POSITION OF WHETHER THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE OR NOT. ALL I'M SAYING IS BY MAKING THAT FINDING OF FACT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS BOARD DOESN'T CARE WHETHER THAT PER SUMMIT EXPIRED OR NOT AND IS TREATING IT BOTH AS SOMETHING THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2019 AND WOULDN'T -- YOU WOULDN'T MIND ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, SO THAT ISSUE CAN BE CLOSED AND YOU WILL FIND AS A MATTER OF FACT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE EITHER BEEN GIVING IT TODAY OR THEY WERE GIVEN IT BACK IN

2019. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

I HAVE ONE NURTDZ COMMENT FR COMMENT OR QUESTION AND THAT IS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT. THERE WAS NO ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT IN OUR PACKET, AND WHEN I SPOKE WITH EVELYN EVELYN THIS MORNING, WE -- EVELYN EVELYN THIS MORNING WE TALKED ABOUT AN ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT AND SHE SAID ONE IS UNDER PREPARATION BY BIOTECH THAT ADDRESSES THESE TREE REMOVAL, EAGLE'S NEST AND ALL OF THE OTHER FACETS THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE IND IN, WETLAND DETERMINATIONS, ET CETERA, SO COULD SOMEONE CEASE THE VIEWRNLTAL REPORT BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS.

ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS.

EITHER YOU OR THE BIOTECH PERSON.

I JUST WONDERED, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE VOTE ON A MATTER LIKE THIS, I ALWAYS LIKE TO HAVE SEEN SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

>> SPEAKER: YES, DR. HILSENBECK.

WHILE MR. MILTON IS COMING UP, I WILL POINT OUT THAT FOR THE TREE REMOVAL ON THE MINE SITE ITSELF, THERE WERE TREES REMOVED AND $56,000 WAS PAID INTO THE TREE MITIGATION FUND FOR THE COUNTY, SO MY CLIENT IS AWARE THAT IF THEY REMOVE TREES, THEY MAY OWE ADDITIONAL TREE MITIGATION FUND FUNDS.

>> AND JASON MILTON, BIOTECH 11235 ST. JOHN INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. YES, I CAN CONVOLUTED THAT MY STAFF IN ORLANDO IS WORKING OAT ENVIRONMENTAL REPORTING TO THAT ADDRESSES THE EAGLE LOCATION. THE PROTECTION ZONES THEREOF AND THE TREE MITIGATION THAT'LL BE REQUIRED AS A RESULT OF THE NEW

HAUL ROUTE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO YOU PLAN TO PROVIDE THAT TO THE PERMITTING DIVISION SHORTLY

OR -- >> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. SO HAVE YOU BEEN INVOLVED IN

THAT WORK DIRECTLY? >> SPEAKER: NOT SPECIFICALLY,

NO, NOT DIRECTLY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO YOU

HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE? >> SPEAKER: NO, I HAVEN'T BEEN

ON THE SITE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I WE'LL RANT TO KNOW IF THERE'S A RIGHT-OF-WAY ALL THE WAY ALONG CANAL 17, A USABLE RIGHT-OF-WAY WHERE YOU COULD DRIVE A DUMP

TRUCK DOWN. >> SPEAKER: WELL, MR. MCANARNEY WAS KIND ENOUGH TO OFFER HIS PHONE THAT HAS THE GSI MAP ON IT. DO YOU MIND IF WE SHOW THAT YOU BECAUSE HE'S GOT THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT'S UP TO THE CHAIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SURE. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S THE ONLY WAY BECAUSE I CAN GET MY PHONE BUT I DON'T HAVE MY COMPUTER WITH ME OR ANYTHING TO PULL UP AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF WHAT

THAT PROFICIENT LOOKS LIKE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY, FINE.

>> SPEAKER: THAT WAY YOU HAVE AN INDEPENDENT PERSON OPERATING

HIS CELL PHONE. >> SPEAKER: SO SNEERS -- JOE MCANARNEY 1005 BLACKBERRY . AS NEAR AS I CAN TELL, YOU CAN SEE THIS EASEMENT LINE RIGHT HERE.

AND I HAVEN'T PUNCHED THAT TO SEE THAT IT'S OWNED BY HASTINGS BUT I ASSUME THAT IT IS, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT ELLEN IS

TALKING ABOUT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: COULD YOU

ZOOM IN A BELOIT INTO, PLEASE. >> SPEAKER: SORRY.

AND I WILL PUNCH THAT. MAYBE IT WILL TELL US.

HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT. LOOK HERE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO DO WE KNOW WHAT YEAR THIS WAS TAKEN?

>> SPEAKER: WELL, IT IS FROM YOUR YOU ARE -- THE CURRENT

WEBSITE. >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIR, MIKE ROBERSON IF I MAY. 2021 IS THE IMAGERY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO IT WAS TREED AT THAT TIME, SO WHAT YOU

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CLEARED RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND THEN - >> SPEAKER: RIGHT.

SO WHAT MR. MCANARNEY WAS SHOWING YOU RIGHT HERE IS HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL FOURTEEN.

WHAT HE'S GOT RIGHT LEER IS HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL 17. SEE WHERE IT SAYS MARYFIELD LANE? THAT'S HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL 17, AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THERE IS A CLEARED

ROAD RIGHT THERE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I CAN SEE THAT, YEAH. YEAH.

>> SPEAKER: AND AGAIN, IF THE ROAD IS NOT WITHIN THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT LAND, MY CLIENT WILL BUILD A PARALLEL ROAD ON THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT PROPERTY SO THAT NO ONE CAN SAY WE DON'T HAVE LEGAL ACCESS TO THE MINE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU ALREADY HAVE LEGAL ACCESS.

YOU JUST DON'T HAVE A HAUL ROUTE.

>> SPEAKER: IS THAT CORRECT. THANK YOU FORE CLARIFYING THAT.

DO YOU NEED THIS ANYMORE? >> DR. HILSENBECK: NO, I DO

NOT. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: JUST TO CONFIRM WITH STAFF -- SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. AS PART OF THE PERMITTING OF THIS OMAHA ROAD, LITTLE BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND A SAFETY REVIEW, AS YOU WOULD DO WITH ANY SET OF SUBDIVISION PLANS TO CONFIRM THAT OUR LDC IS BEING COMPLIED WITH, IS THAT

CORRECT? >> STHEARK.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOOTER MOTION.

FOUR A MOTION. MR. PIERRE.

>> MR. PIERRE: MOTION TO APPROVE SUPMAJ 202 THE-09 BASED ON 11 CONDITIONS AND NINE FINDINGS OF FACT AS APPROVED IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE I THINK

PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S ALREADY INCLUDED. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I PUT IT ON THE RECORD THAT YOU KNEW ABOUT IT SO THAT IT WOULD BE INCLUDED AND IT WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH KNOWLEDGE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WYE MR. PIERRE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND BY YOU MR. MILLER.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE ONE THING TO SAY QUICKLY, WHICH IS I APPRECIATE MR. STACKHOUSE POINTING OUT THAT THERE ISN'T LEGAL ACCESS ACROSS THE CURRENT -- THE OTHER MINE PROPERTY AND THAT A DIFFERENTLY LEGAL ACCESS NEEDS TO BE TAKEN.

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THEY DO NEED TO GO TO THE NORTH. SHE'S MY THAT'S MY OPINION.

MR. WHITEHOUSE. THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME.

>> SPEAKER: WHO IS STACKHOUSE? >> MR. MATOVINA: THAT'S WHAT I WROTE. IT MUST BE RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOTION PASSES 5-0. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3.

PRESENT SER MR. SAPP AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH RESPECT TO ITEM NUMBER 3?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: NONE. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. SAPP.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. I ALMOST NEED TO BE SEA POWDER.

I GOT A TRUCKLOAD OF THEM. >> MR. MATOVINA: I THINK ANNEX

MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE. >> SPEAKER: WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET IT DONE. I'LL HERE REPRESENT AMERICA BRASWELL WHO IS SITTING RIGHT BEHIND ME FOR THE ZONING OR VARIANCES ON TWO SIDES OF 5198 HOLLY ROAD.

YOU CAN SEE ZVAR NUMBERS, PROPERTY ID NUMBERS.

THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS THAT I HAD SENT OVER EARLIER THAT SHOWS THE WEST SIDE HAS GOT BIG LARGE OAK TREES THAT THE HOMEOWNER DOES NOT WANT THAT TO TAKE DOWN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE NO ROOM FOR IT ANY WAY. WHERE THE BLACK SIGN IS COVERED UP, THAT IS WHERE THE NEW GARAGE APPLICATION IS WHERE WE WANT TO PUT THAT AT, AND RIGHT THERE IS ALSO WHERE THE EXISTING SEPTIC SYSTEM IS THAT HAS TO BE COMPLETELY REMOVED AND SHUFFLED AROUND TO THE BACK SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND WE HAVE ALL THE CURRENT APPLICATIONS AND APPROVALS FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT. THIS IS A REALLY HEAVY WOODED LOT. IT'S ON THE CORNER, SO WE'VE GOT CORNER RAISES ON BOTH SIDES. YOU CAN SEE THE BIG TREE THERE, BIG TREES IN THE FRONT, THE ONE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM LEFT IS THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE. THE THE ONE ON THE VIDE ALSO THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE. I'M JUST SHOWING YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OF REFERENCE WHAT KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCES WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH HERE. MR. BRAHS WEM BOUGHT THIS BACK

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WE'RE SEEKING A VARIANCE FOR TE GARAGE.

HE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THE BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE THE FENCE WAS TO GET THIS WITHOUT TAKING OUT ANY MORE OF THE BIG OAK TREES AND THE BIG MAGNOLIA TREES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SURVEYS. WE WAS ASKING FOR A 4-FOOT SETBACK ON THE EAST SIDE, BUT THE BUILDING WILL ACTUALLY BE SET AT 5-FOOT WITH 1 FOOT OF OVERHANG WHICH WE'LL HAVE DONE WITH GUTTERS AND EVERYTHING TO KEEP THE WATER ON MR. BRASS BRAS PROPERTY. ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHICH WOULD BE THE FRONT SIDE FOR THE GARAGE IN LIEU OF 25-FOOT SETBACK ON THE CORNER, WE'RE ASKING FOR A 20-FOOT SETBACK, WHICH AT THAT SETBACK WE'RE STILL 67 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF HOLLY ROAD.

THAT'S HOW FAR WE'RE SET BACK ON THAT CORNER WITH THE PROPERTY.

IN LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION, EVERYBODY ON RED BIRD ROAD, YOU SEE THE NAMES THERE, HAVE SENT IN LETTERS FOR APPROVAL AND ENDORSEMENTS. EVERYBODY ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD, INCLUDING ME AND MY WIFE, MS. MANNING AND A.J.

MCGUINNESS, ON HOLLY ROAD HAVE LETTERS OF APPROVAL.

NOBODY FROM THE SOUTH SIDE SENT ANYTHING, AND I THINK THERE WAS ONE THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET FOR DENIAL, BUT WE CAN ADDRESS THAT IF WE NEED TO. BUT ANYWAY, MR. PONTS ON THE RIGHT SIDE 5199, HE ABUTS THE PROPERTY.

DENISE DLOAJ DROAJY ON THE NORTH SIDE, SHE ABUTS IT TO THE BACK SIDE AND NEITHER ONE OF THEM HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH US PUTTING THIS SMALL GARAGE ON THERE. SO MY PRESENTATION IS PRETTY SHORT. SURVEYS, IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, THIS IS THE WAY IT IS.

YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVEWAY COMING OFF OF HOLLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND COMING BACK OUT ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE.

THAT'S WHAT THE GARAGE WILL ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE.

THE UPPER LEFT-HAND SIDE IS THE FRONT OF IT.

ROOFLINE MATCH THE EXISTING RESIDENCE SO EVERYTHING WILL BLEND BACK IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR HIS HOUSE, ANYWAY, TO MAKE THIS WORK. AND THAT IS MY PRESENTATION, AND I THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME DO IT, AND IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ASK AND ANSWER.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAVE ONE PRIMARY QUESTION.

I DON'T REALLY OBJECT TO THIS AT ALL IN THE FRONT, BUT ON THE

SIDE WITH THE 4-FOOT SETBACK. >> AND YES, SIR.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY Y'ALL DON'T ATTACH THE GARAGE DIRECTLY TO THE HOUSE RATHER THAN HAVE A BREEZE WAIVE THAT ADDS SOME EXTRA -- BREEZEWAY.

>> SPEAKER: BECAUSE YOU'VE A SEPTIC TANK ISSUE RIGHT THERE.

I HAVE TO BRING IT OUT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU HAVE TO

MOVE THAT. >> SPEAKER: I'VE GOT GO DOWN AND I CAN'T GET ANY CLOSER TO THE HOUSE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: GOT YOU. >> SPEAKER: IVER GOT CERTAIN SETBACKS WITH THE COUNTY I'VE GOT TO SAY SES STAY WITHIN IN

THE STATE OF FLORIDA. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO YOU CAN'T GET THAT GARAGE CLOSER TO HOUSE.

>> SPEAKER: IF I DO THAT, MR. BRASWELL WILL HAVE TO -- YOU SEE THE BIG OAK TREE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: YES, SIR. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S 6-1/2 FEET OFF THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. WE'RE ANNUAL 6-FOOT 10 OFF THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW WITH THE CURRENT APPLICATION.

SO HE WOULD LOSE THAT BIG OAK TREE AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO LOSE A MAGNOLIA TREE IN BEHIND IT, AND WE -- I REALLY DON'T WANT TO

TAKE IT OUT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I HEAR YOU.

I AGREE WITH YOU. >> SPEAKER: BUT ANYWAY, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING I CAN DO AS FAR AS TRYING TO FIT EVERYTHING IN THERE WITHOUT GOING OVERBOARD AND SPENDING A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY BECAUSE THIS -- WHERE WE'VE GOT TO PLACE IT AT, YOU CAN'T TAKE IT TO THE WEST SIDE AT ALL.

I GOT THE SAME SITUATION OVER HERE BUT MORE TREES TO MOVE.

THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REMOVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND GO AROUND BEHIND THE HOUSE AND MOVE THE WHOLE SYSTEM OUT TO

DO THIS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO NOT JUST THE TANK BUT THE DRAINFIELD AS WELL?

>> SPEAKER: EVERYTHING, DRAINFIELD, SEPTIC SYSTEM, SEPTIC TANK ALL GOING TO BE BRAND MEW WHEN WE PUT IT BACK

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IN. >> DR. HILSENBECK: ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. SAPP, WHAT'S IS THE SIZE OF THE GARAGE?

>> SPEAKER: THE BOTTOM PART IS LICK 800 ACQUIRE SQUARE FEET.

1700 TOTAL. >> MR. MATOVINA: WHAT'S THE

FOOTPRINT? >> SPEAKER: IT'S 24 BY 38.

THAT'S THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF THE SLAB.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE

APPLICANT? >> SPEAKER: DID THEY NOT SHOW

THAT ON THE SURVEY? >> MR. MATOVINA: WE GET AN 8-1/2-BY-11 OF IT SO UGS OLD PEOPLE CAN'TED RA IT.

>> SPEAKER: I CAN'T WITHOUT MY GLASSES.

DO YOU NEED TO SEE MY CURRENT SURVEY?

>> MR. MATOVINA: NO, WE'RE GOOD, SIR.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> MR. PIERRE: NO, SIR.

NO SPEAKER CARDS. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE'RE BACK TBLOO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MR. PIERRE.

>> MR. PIERRE: MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2022-12 BRASWELL RESIDENCE BASED ON SEVEN CONDITIONS AND FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

AND LET'S REG -- ANY DISCUSSION? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, I'M GLAD MR. MATOVINA ASKED A QUESTION ON THE SIZE, THE DIMENSIONS AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT GARAGE BECAUSE THAT'S A HUGE GARAGE. THAT'S NOT JUST A STANDARD TWO-CAR OR MAYBE EVEN THREE-CAR GARAGE.

ARE THERE GOING TO BE ANY -- >> SPEAKER: THERE'S NO LIVING QUARTERS. THERE'S NO --

>> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU KNEW WHERE I WAS GOING SPINCHTS KNEW EXACTLY WHERE WERE YOU HEADING. THERE IS NO LIVING SPACE THERE

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HE COLLECTS A LOT OF ANTIQUES AND HE CAN PUT A LOT OF STUFF UP IN THE ATTIC AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT NO CONTINGENCY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: ALL RIGHTY. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LATES REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOTION PASSES 5-0. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: YOUR WELCOME.

MR. ERNST, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER 4?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: NONE. >> MR. MATOVINA:

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE'RE MARIAH AND BRADLEY ERNST AND LIVE AT 497 MARSH COVE DRIVE IN PONTE VEDRA BEACH.

WE'RE HERE SEEKING A MINOR MODIFICATION TO THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS IN OUR BACKYARD IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE A POOL WE BUILT OUR HOME FOUR YEARS AGO WITH THE DREAM FINDERS AND AS YOU CAN SEE, BY THIS SURVEY, WE ARE ON A VERY ODD-SIZED LOT.

OUR HOUSE IS THE LAST HOME ON THE MARSH COVE DRIVE CUL-DE-SAC WITH NO NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST SIDE OF US OR BEHIND US.

THE POSITION OF OUR HOME PROVIDE A LONG NARROW FRONT YARD AND VERY SMALL BACKYARD. WHEN WE WERE IN THE BUILDING PROCESS, WE DID ASK DREAM FINDERS IF IT WAS THE ONLY TO MOVE THE HOME FORWARD ON THE LOT BEFORE THE FOUNDATION WAS POURED, AS DID OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST, TO ENJOY A LARGER BACKYARD VERSUS FRONT YARD, BUT WE WERE BOTH TOLD THAT THAT WAS NOT A POSSIBILITY. SO WE MOVED FORWARD FOUR YEARS AGO UNSURE OF WHAT OUR ULTIMATE PLANS FOR THE BACKYARD WOULD BE.

FAST FORWARD FOUR YEARS, WE NOW HAVE A 16-YEAR-OLD SON AND AN 18-MONTH-OLD SON. WHO BOTH LOVE THE WATER AND ALSO IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS COME TO A FINAL CONCLUSION THAT THERE IS NO COMMON AREA SPACE FOR A COMMUNITY POOL, WHICH WAS A DISCUSSION AT ONE POINT.

SO WE ENLISTED THE HOPE OF SURFSIDE POOLS COULD TOM UP WITH A PLAN TO MAXIMIZED OUR BACKYARD AND ADD A POOL.

AFTER WORKING THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS, WE WERE ENCOURAGED TO SEEK THIS MINOR MODIFICATION IN ORDER TO BUILD THE PICTURED POOL. WITH THE SIZE OF OUR YARD AND IF 10-FOOT SETBACK IN PLACE, THE MAXIMUM WIDTH OF A POOL THAT WE COULD BUILD UNDER CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES COULD BE 6 FEET 6 INCHES WIDE. WHILE A PENCIL-SHAPED POOL DOES SOUND APPEALING, YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW HELPFUL 5 EXTRA FEET WOULD BE. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A POOL THAT OUR 16-YEAR-OLD CAN'T LONG JUMP OVER.

THIS WOULD ALLOW TO US PUSH THE POOL AWAY FROM THE HOUSE A BIT MORE AND PROVIDE FOR A 9-FOOT WIDE POOL WITH THE MINOR MODIFICATION. WE STILL DO HAVE THE PLANS

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TWO THINGS WE COULD NOT CONTROL BUT THING THAT SHOULD NOT PREVENT US FROM ADDING THIS AREA OF ENTERTAINMENT FOR OUR FAMILY.

THE FINAL PHOTOS SHOW A CURRENT VIEW LOOKING FROM OUR BACKYARD INTO THE DISTANCE AND ALSO THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS A VIEW OF OUR BACKYARD WITH THE PORCH WHICH IS ON IT CURRENTLY.

WE HAVE NO NEIGHBORS BEHIND US, AS YOU CAN SEE, EXCEPT FOR THE ONE HOUSE THAT I MENTIONED TO THE EAST, A FAMILY WHO HAVE BECOME WONDERFUL FRIENDS. THIS MINOR MODIFICATION WOULD HAVE NO IMPACT ON ANYONE AROUND US.

WHEN THE LETTERS WERE SENT NOTIFYING OUR NEIGHBORS OF THIS HEARING, WE CAME HOME ONE DAY TO FIND THIS NOTE ON OUR DOORSTEP WRITTEN THE IN COMMENT SECTION OF THE DOCUMENT PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY. FROM A NEIGHBOR IT SAYS, "PLEASE PER IN IT MODIFICATION. NESS A WONDERFUL FAMILY THAT CONTRIBUTES TO MAKING OUR COMMUNITY GREAT.

" WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS.

SERVE ON THE SOCIAL COMMITTEE FOR OUR COMMUNITY OF 64 HOMES AND I DO BELIEVE OUR FAMILY MAKES THE NEIGHBORHOOD GREAT.

PLEASE PERMIT US THIS MINOR MODIFICATION SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO ENHANCE OUR YARD AND HOME AND BE LONGTIME RESIDENTS OF THE PRESERVE AT PONTE VEDRA LAKES. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I JUST HAVE ONE AND I'M IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS REQUEST CERTAINLY, BUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE BACKHOE INTO THE

BACKYARD TO DIG THE POOL? >> SPEAKER: YES.

COORDINATING TO SURFSIDE POOLS, THE WEST SIDE OF OUR LOT WHICH HAS NO NEIGHBOR ON IT WOULD ALLOW FOR -- WE WILL TAKE THE FENCE DOWN, THE CURRENT EXISTING FENCE, SO THE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT CAN GET IN SO THAT IS THE SIDE THAT HAS NO NEIGHBOR ON IT AND SHOULD IMPACT NO ONE AROUND US, BUT THAT'S HOW THEY'LL GET BACK THERE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THERE'S NO NEIGHBOR THERE, A HOUSE CONSTRUCTED, BUT IT IS A LOT AND DO YOU OWN THAT LOT?

>> SPEAKER: NO, IT'S NOT A LOT.

IT'S THE COMMON PROPERTY THAT DREAM FINDERS OWNS.

THE WAY THAT THE CUL-DE-SAC IS SITUATED, WE ARE THE LAST HOUSE.

SO THE SPACE TO THE WEST OF US IS DREAM FINDERS' PROPERTY THAT THEY MAINTAIN, BUT THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE BETWEEN THAT PROPERTY AND OURS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES TO GET

THROUGH ON OUR PROPERTY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND DREAM

FINDERS DOES NOT OPEN TO THIS? >> SPEAKER: NO, THEY WERE SENT A LETTER. HAD WERE ONE OF THE ONES THAT HAD TO GET NOTIFICATION OF OUR REQUEST.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER CHTD APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MR. PIERRE: NO SPEAKER CARDS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: >> MR. MATOVINA: THEN WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I MOVE TO APPROVE MINMOD 2021-11, 497

MARCH COVE DRIVE, A >> MR. MATOVINA: I THINK WE'RE

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>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. GARY DAVENPORT ATTORNEY REPRESENT BE MS. KAREN CHAPPELL WHO IS WITH ME HERE TODAY.

SHE IS THE ACTUAL OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, THE GREATER 40 ACRES OF THIS PART OF THE PRD, LIVES THERE, AND LONGTIME RESIDENT THERE. AND ALSO WITH ME TODAY I HAVE MR. MAX GARCIA WHO IS THE PLANNER WHO IS GOING TO WALK YOU LOO THE THREE APPLICATIONS. THIS IS THREE COMPANION APPLICATIONS BUT IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE ONE PRESENTATION BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SAME PROJECT.

ESSENTIALLY, NUMBER ONE, WE'RE GOING TO REBE REMOVING 6-1/2 ACRES FROM THE PRD. NUMBER TWO, A SMALL SCALE COMP

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NOW IT'S URBAN. IT'S SUSHIA.

YOU HAVE SILVERLEAF ACROSS THE STREET WHICH IS DEVELOP, AS YOU WELL KNOW, AND TO SERVE SILVERLEAF AND THE GREATER ROYAL GOLF VILLAGE, FDOT CAME IN AND BUILT MAJOR SUBSTATION RIGHT FLEXION TO THE PROPERTY, SO WHERE YOU USED TO HAVE VISTAS AND VIEWS AND PASTURES AND WOODS, NOW YOU SEE A SUBSTATION, WHICH IF YOU KNOW WHAT A SUBSTATION LOOKS LIKE IT'S VERY INDUSTRIAL. SO IT'S KIND OF GONE FROM THIS RURAL OASIS TO THIS ALMOST INDUSTRIAL-LOOKING AREA RIGHT NEXT TO IT. SO HAVING THE RAVMENTV AND BOAT STORAGE WOULD BE A USE THAT KIND TRANS THAITIONZ SUBSTATION BACK TO THE RURAL EAR, AND AS YOU I KNOW RV/BOAT STORAGE TYPE PLACES ARE PRETTY LOW TRAFFIC PLACES. THEY DON'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF NEM. NUMBER TWO POINT I WANT YOU TO KEEP IN MIND IS THIS IS THE DEMAND THAT WAS CREATED FOR THIS. AGAIN, THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AS YOU KNOW DON'T HAVE PLACES IN THEIR YARDS FOR RVS AND BOATS BUT EVERYBODY HAS AN RV AND A BOAT, IN PARTICULAR A AGE-RESTRICTED COMMUNITY THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR, SO THERE'S DEMAND THAT HAS BEEN CREATED BY THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. AND NUMBER THREE, AGAIN I WANT TO REITERATE MRS. CHAPPELLE IS THE OWNER.

SHE'S NOTE A SPECULATIVE DEVELOPER, NOTICE A CORPORATION.

THIS IS FOR HER RETIREMENT. THIS IS GOING TO BE WHERE SHE LIVES. SHE'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO LIVE NEXT TO IT, SO SHE'LL VERY RESPONSIBLE OWNER AND MANAGER OF THIS. WE HAD TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR THE NORTHWEST SECTOR. NO OPPOSITION THAT I KNOW OF AND NO LETTERS THAT I KNOW OF. WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. GARCIA TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE PLANS.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, PZA.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND THANK YOU, MRD INTRODUCTION FOR THIS PROJECT. MY NAME IS MAX GARCIA, MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP 7LED WAO STREET. THE PROJECT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TODAY IS THE RV/BOAT AND STORAGE FOR THE CHAPPELLE PROPERTY OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 16A. I WAS THE PLANNER FOR THIS PROJECT AND WE ARE, TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT, LOCATED UP HERE WITH THE STAR LOCATING THE SITE. WE ARE ABOUT JUST UNDER A MILE AND A HALF TO THE SILVERLEAF PARKWAY AND 16 INTERSECTION, AND ANOTHER TWO OR THREE MILES TO THE INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY INTERSECTION AS WELL. ZOOMING INTO THE SITE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHERE WE ARE, IN SITUATION WITH REGARDS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL THAT MR. DAVENPORT WAS ALLUDING TO IS THAT THIS AREA HAS MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY EXCLUDING EVEN SILVERLEAF.

THE MILLAC AND MILL -- SORRY -- ARBOR MILL AND THEN THE HAD AN HAMMOCK OAKS SUBDIVISION, AND THEN THE SILVERLEAF PARKWAY IS IN A MILE STRAIGHT LINE, AND THEN JUST NORTH OF HERE ARE A COUPLE OF SMALL SUBDIVISIONS WITH CUL-DE-SACS WITH THE PUD WHICH I WILL GO INTO IN MORE DETAIL.

SO AS MR. DAVENPORT GAVE A BRIEF SUMMARY, WE ARE HERE FOR THREE APPLICATIONS. FIRST ONE IS A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE BARTRAM DOWNS UNIT 2PRD TO REMOVE 6-1/2 ACRES FROM PRD. THE SECOND IS TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION WITHIN THE 6.5 ACRES THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND ADDING THEM AND PUTTING IT SPECIFICALLY INTO THIS RED SHAPE AS YOU SEE. AND THEN FINALLY A PUD REZONING FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO FURTHER LIMIT THE USES AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS LOCATION. SO QUICKLY CORRECTING, THIS IS A FULL WITHIN THE PRD. THIS PROPERTY IS FULL LOCATED WITHIN THE PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO AN INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE ZONING DESIGNATION TO THE EAST, A PRD TO THE SOUTH AND ARE THEN OPEN RURAL TO THE NORTH.

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IW AS WELL AS THE OR ZONE 5 SAPE PROPERTY, AND THIS IS THE ACTUAL PROPOSED. THIS IS THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOWING THE MOST RECENT AMENDMENT TO RESIDENTIAL C FOR SILVERLEAF ACROSS THE STREET. PUBLIC LAND USE TO THE SOUTH WHICH IS COMPLETELY WETLANDS. AND THEN AGRICULTURAL TO THE EAST AND WEST AND SOUTH. CAN I ACCORD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOU A LARGER ZOOMED-OUT ERGAS VERY OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO GIVE YOU A CONTEXT OF HOW THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN IMPACTED SO FOR MORE PERSPECTIVE, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE RESIDENTIAL C DESIGNATION CONTINUES ABOUT ONE MILE NORTH OF THE SITE AND THEN, OF COURSE, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET HERE, AND THIS PROPERTY WITHIN JUST A COUPLE YEARS HAS BEEN WRAPPED BY RESIDENTIAL C DESIGNATION THE TO NORTH BY SILVERLEAF WITH RESIDENTIAL A HERE, AND THEN WITH EVEN A RECENT REZONING WHERE THE SILVERLEAF PARKWAY IS, YES.

SO EVEN THIS PROPERTY HAS A NEW SUBDIVISION THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED AS WELL. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, HERE IS THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA OF RESIDENTIAL C PUBLIC AND AGRICULTURE OR NOT AGRICULTURE IS NOT WITHIN DEVELOPMENT AREA, BUT THE RESIDENTIAL C, RESIDENTIAL B AND NEARBY PUBLIC PROVIDES THAT THIS IS VERY THROWS A DEMENT AREA AND WITHIN EVEN A THIRD OF A MILE. TO GIVE YOU MORE CHARACTERISTICS FOR THE PRD SPECIFICALLY IT IS 48.6 ACRES WITHIN THE CLL BOX.

AND AS A RESULT OF REMOVING THE 6.5 ACRES, WE'RE WE ARE COMING TO 42.1 ACRES. THE SITE IS ALREADY CLEAR.

WHAT WOULD BE REMAINING IS A MOBILE HOME, A BARN AND STABLE ON THIS SIDE, AND A TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, ONE HERE AND ONE MORE FARTHER SOUTH. WITHIN THIS PRD THERE IS 16.2 ACRES WETLANDS WHICH WILL HAVE -- WHICH WILL NOT BE IMPACTED IN ANY WAY AS A RESULT OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

THE PUD STANDARDS THAT WE ARE PUTTING FORWARD FOR THIS PUD IS LIMITED TO NEIGHBORHOOD USES, NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC SERVICE, CULTURAL INSTITUTIONAL USES, AND VERY SELECT COMPATIBLE USES OR NON-RESIDENTIALIZES SUCH AS OUT OVERRECREATION, VETERINARY OFFICES AND RETREATS. THE CURRENT SITE FEATURES EQUESTRIAN HORSE, EQUESTRIAN STABLES AND AREAS FOR HORSES TO ROAM. SO THE PUD IS DESIGNED TO CONTINUE WHAT THIS PROPERTY CURRENTLY DOES WITH ITS AGRICULTURAL SILVICULTURAL AND SIM SIMILAR RELATED USES. IT WILL HAVE THE PROPOSED RV STORAGE LOT WOULD HAVE GATED ACCESS ALONG 16A, INCLUDING A 3.

THE EXISTING MOBILE HOME ON-SITE, WHILE IT IS PART OF THE PRD, IS A -- WOULD BE FAMILY OCCUPED ONLY AND WOULD BE I THINK YOU CAN SAY CARETAKER FOR THE RESIDENTIAL BUSINESS OR THE RV BUSINESS. AS A NOTED, THE BUFFER WOULD INCLUDE A SIDEWALK AND MEET THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENT OF THE LDC. AS WELL, A 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE ALONG ALL BOUNDARIES OF THE SITE EXCLUDING ONLY THE PORTION WITHIN THE POND. THE PUD DIVIDES ALONG THIS POND AREA BECAUSE WITHIN THE PRD, THIS EXISTING MOBILE HOME HAS A DOCK HERE, AND TO PUT A DEVELOPMENT EDGE WITHIN THE POND WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THIS OPERATION, AND SO PART OF THIS PUD IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO DEVELOPMENT EDGE ONLY WITHIN THE AREAS ALONG THIS POND TO SERVE THE MOBILE HOME RESIDENT WHO HAS THEIR NICE POND WITH DOCK. THE OTHER WAIVERS WE ARE REQUESTING IS TO ALLOW OVERHEAD UTILITIES DUE THE TO EXISTING CONDITIONS, FPL TO THE LEFT HERE.

THE OVERHEAD UTILITIES IS ACTUALLY BAKED INTO THE MAJOR MOD AND THE BARTRAM DOWNS PREVIOUS PRDZ AND THIS IS SIMPLY A CONTINUE AIFERTION THAT FAVOR. WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING A WAIVER FROM THE ON-SITE OAFS. THE EXISTING MOBILE HOME WILL SERVE AS I THE ON-SITE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESS CARETAKER AS I

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AS GAVE MORE DETAIL ABOUT PREVIOUSLY WE SHALL REQUESTING A WAIVER FOR BUFERL ONLY IMMEDIATELY AROUND THE POND WHICH SERVES AS A NATIONAL AMENITY FOR TO HOME EM, AND WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO MEET THE BOUNDARY REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL OTHER SIDES. THIS IS THE EXISTING PRD FOR UNIT 2 THAT WENT THROUGH MAJOR MOD IN 2015 AND ORIGINATED IN 2002, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. IT'S ABOUT 48 ACRES CURRENTLY AND HAVE FOUR, IT HAS FOUR DEVELOPMENT AREAS FOR HOMES.

AS PART OF THIS PRD. ONE IS GOING AWAY.

SO HERE IT IS AGAIN SHOWING THAT ONLY THREE DEVELOPMENT AREAS ARE REMAINING AS PART OF THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION.

THE RESULTANT -- AS A RESULT OF REMOVING THEM, THEIR ACCESS HERE, THERE IS A ROAD PROPOSED ALL THE WAY ALONG FROM THEIR INITIAL ACCESS POINT AND CONTINUES BACK TOWARDS THE SECOND RESIDENCE AND THEN CUTS ACROSS INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AREA FOR THE THIRD HOME AND BACK TO THE MOBILE HOME.

I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE I HAVE A BETTER VIEW OF THE MDP THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THE MAJOR MOD. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE ROAD GOING TO THE HOME IS OUTSIDE OF THE BUFFERS OF THE WETLANDS. THIS IS A 50-FOOT BUFFER, 25-FOOT FOR THE BUILDINGS AND 2D SO THE ROAD IS D. UPLANDS AND SO THE ROAD IS OUTSIDE OF THAT BUFFER AS WELL SO THIS IS THAT LARGER LARGP SHOWING THE SURROUNDING LAND USES. THIS IS A NOT UPDATED IMAGE WHICH IS WHY I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE LARGER.

BUT THE REASON IT IS COMMERCIAL IT IS THE LOWEST COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE EXACT FOR A SUBURBAN AREA IN THE FUTURE.

FOSTER CONSIDERATION OF A FUTURE LAND USE, A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL IS A MORE APPROPRIATE DESIGNATION THAN MAYBE RURAL COMMERCIAL. THE PARCEL IS SITUATED AS I'VE GONE OVER IN DETAIL NOW BY MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENTS, AND WITH THE REASONABLE APPROVAL OF SILVERLEAF ACCESS PANGS, WE'LL COMPLETELY WRAP THIS PROPERTY. EXPANSION.

AN RV BOAT STORAGE WOULD BE A COMPLEMENTARY USE TO SERVE THOSE RESIDENCES THAT ARE THERE NOW SUCH AS THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE JUST SOUTH AND NORTH AND DEVELOPING IN THE SILVERLEAF NEIGHBORHOODS HERE, BUT NOW WITH THE EXPANSION OF OUR ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORS TO OUR NORTH AND TO OUR WEST THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE RV/BOAT STORAGE BUSINESS. PROPERTY IS ALREADY SERVED BY A COLLECTOR ROADWAY, 16A, SO NEGATING ANY REAL PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE OR NEEDS JUST DUE THE TO LOW TRIP COUNT WOULD NOT HAVE ANY MAJOR IMPACT ONTO 16A. AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, THIS IS -- WAS A RURAL PROPERTY AND HAS ASPECTS OF A RURAL PROPERTY BUT NO LONGER HAS A RURAL LOOK, OUTLOOK FOR THE FUTURE.

RV BOAT STORAGE PROPOSED WOULD GENERATE MINIMAL IMPACTS COMPARED TO SOME OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES NEARBY.

THIS IS AN AERIAL TO GIVE YOU AN UNDERSTANDING FPL'S IMPACT, FOR EXAMPLE. THIS IS ALL CLEARED FOR UTILITY LINES WITHIN THE LAST TUSM YEARS.

BLAINTS YUCH GRADED FOR EVEN LARGER UTILITY LINES, AND IT HAS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THIS SITE. THIS IS ALL WETLANDS AND FORESTED AREA, AND NOW THIS PROPERTY HAS VERY LITTLE SEPARATION BETWEEN THAT INDUSTRIAL USE.

LOOKING FORWARD TO THE COMPATIBILITY ANALYSIS, IT IS HEAVILY BUFFERED ON THE ADJACENT PORTION OF 16A AND ON THE OTHER TWO EASTERN AND WESTERN BOUNDARIES.

AS A AM REQUESTING WITH THE WAIVER, THE BOUNDARY, 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE WOULD ONLY STOP ALONG THIS POND AREA.

JUST IN SCUM RI, THE REQUEST TO IS SUITABLE TO NEIGHBORLY COMMERCIAL WITH THE OUTLOOK OF THE FUTURE, AND WITH THE COMPANION FURTHER LIMITING THE USES ON THIS SITE TO HAVE A SELECT FEW LOW IMPACT NON-RESIDENTIAL USES COMPATIBLE WITH THIS IMMEDIATE AREA, THE PROPOSED USE AND PUD REZONING IS

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THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA:

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU DID A NICE JOB AND SO DID MR. DAVENPORT AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

YOU ANSWERED TWO QUESTIONS, ACEVEDO TO THE MOBILE HOME.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS IN A DIAGRAM IN THE PACKET THAT YOU HAD COME THROUGH THE OTHER PRD PIECE AND THEN ALONG THAT WETLAND EDGE, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WEREN'T GOING TO IMPACT THAT AND YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T. AND THEN, OH, THOSE WERE ACTUALLY THE TWO. SO LET ME ASK THIS.

GIVEN THAT MOBILE HOME, I ASSUME THAT IS ON A SEPTIC TANK.

I THINK THAT WAS STATED IN THERE.

WHERE IS THE NEAREST SEWER HOOKUP? HOW FAR AWAY IS THAT? AND I ASSUME THAT'S NOT

FEASIBLE? >> ARBOR MILL.

SUBDIVISION IS THE NEAREST SEWER HOOKUP.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND HOW FAR AWAY IS THAT? HALF A MILE. SO THAT'S PROBABLY NOT FEES

INVIABLE FOR YOU TO PAY TO. >> SPEAKER: THE INTENT WAS TO CONTINUE TO USE WELL AND SEPTIC IF NEEDED BUT THE PROPOSED STORAGE AND BOAT FACILITY WOULD NOT NEED WATER OR SEWER.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: RIGHT.3 I WAS HOPING TO GET ANOTHER SEPTIC TANK OUT OF THE COUNTY. SO YOU STATE YOU REQUEST US TO MODIFY THE PRD TO INCLUDE 6. PFC WHICH SCHUS 01 ISN'T 7 AREAS DEVELOPMENT AREA DESIGNATED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES AND 5.79 ACRES OF THE PRD RESERVE AREA. MAYBE I DIDN'T READ EVERYTHING CLOSELY ENOUGH, BUT COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT THAT RESERVE AREA IS AND WHAT THAT DESIGNATES.

>> SPEAKER: I WAS -- GARY DAVEN FORT RECORD.

SINCE I ACTUALLY DID THIS PRD DECADES AGO, THAT USED TO BE A VERY COMMON TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IN RURAL STRDGES, SO ESSENTIALLY WITHOUT GOING TOO DEEP INTO IT. PRD IS A WAY TO DEVELOP RURAL DEVELOPMENT IN AN AREA THAT LIMITS TO YOU YOU WOULDN'T PER .

SO IF YOU HAVE 1 UNIT PER 5 ACRES YOU CAN ONLY PUT YOUR HOUSE ON A SMALL PART OF IT. EVERYTHING SELLS LEFTOVER LAND ESSENTIALLY AND IT'S CALLED RESERVE AREA.

IT COULD BE USED FOR FARMING. IT COULD BE USED FOR PASTURE.

IT COULD BE USED FOR NOTHING. BUT ESSENTIALLY THE PRD LOCKS IT IN AND SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY -- CAN'T HAVE ANY HOUSES ON IT. YOU CAN HAVE OTHER STRUCTURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT BUT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE THE HOUSE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA. THE RESERVE AREA DOESN'T GET DEVELOPED UNDER A PRD LINCHTS THE BULK, THOUGH, OF THIS PROPOSED RV AND BOAT STORAGE IS PART OF THAT RESERVE AREA,

RIGHT? >> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I THOUGHT YOU JUST SAID OTHER STRUCTURES

WEREN'T ALLOWED ON IT. >> SPEAKER: HE'S WHY WE'RE

CHANGING IT IS FROM PRD TO PUD. >> DR. HILSENBECK: BUT IT'S

TAKING LAND OUT OF RESERVE AREA. >> SPEAKER: IT'S TAKING 1% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT'S PROPERTY ANE AREA.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT LOOKS LIKE BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY.

THOSE AERIALS YOU SHOWED WERE REALLY NICE.

>> SPEAKER: LIKE SAY, I DEVELOPED IT FOR THE DEVELOPER WHO USED TO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE MOBILE HOME.

THAT WAS HIS HOUSE OF CHOICE. HE WAS THE ONE WHO LIVED THERE.

THAT'S WHY IT'S A BIGGER LOTS THAN MOST OF THE OTHER ONES AND IT WAS VERY BEAUTIFUL UNTIL THEY CUT ALL THE TREES DOWN AND BUILT A SUBSTATION THERE. NOW IT'S NOT THE GUY AS

BEAUTIFUL LINCHTS. >> DR. HILSENBECK:, PROGRESS.

>> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO LET ME DISCUSS JUST ASK YOU YOU SAID THIS 5.

97 ERROR AREAS RESERVE AREA THAT'S 1 LESS THAN 1% OF THE

PRD? >> THE PRD IS -- I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER RIGHT ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I WAS DOING THE MATH EARLIER. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I THOUGHT

IT WAS 46 ACRES, BUT NO? >> SPEAKER: THIS PHASE IS 46 ACRES. IT GOES WEST A LONG LONG WAY AND IT GOES BACK INTO THE WOODS. YOU WANT TO SAY IT'S HUNDREDS OF

ACRES. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE HOUSES UP. SAID THERE ARE FOUR HOUSES, THEN THERE CAN BE THREE HOUSES BUT THERE'S A MOBILE HOME.

WHAT ARE -- ARE WE PUTTING ONE MOBILE HOME AND RV AND BOAT STORAGE ON HERE? WHEN ARE DO THESE OTHER HOUSES

COME IN? >> SPEAKER: THERE WERE ORIGINALLY THREE LOTS AND THERE I WAS MODIFICATION TO ADD A FOURTH ON THERE. ONE OF THE LOTS HAD THE MOBILE HOME ON IT. ACTUALLY THE DEVELOPER HEEMS WAS THE MOBILE HOME. SO HE HAD HIS OWN LOT WITH A MOBILE HOME ON IT. THAT'S THE LOT WE'RE CONVERTING TO RV STORAGE, BUT WE'RE KEEPING THE MOBILE HOME AS A PART OF THE PRD BUT IT'S A FAMILY BUSINESS SO A GOING TO BE A FAMILY MEMBER LIVING THERE WHO RUNS THE BOAT STORAGE AREA.

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>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THE FAMILY MEMBER NO

LONGER LIVES THERE? >> SPEAKER: IT WILL STILL BE A LEGAL LOT. IT'S STILL A VERY LARGE PIECE OF

PROPERTY. >> MR. MATOVINA: ARE YOU RESTRICTING THE BOAT STORAGE AREA TO THAT USE, REQUIRING THERE TO BE A FAMILY MEMBER LIVING THERE? I'M NOT CLEAR. THIS WHOLE THING IS CONFUSING.

>> SPEAKER: NO, IT'S NOT. HONESTLY IT'S A LARGE ENOUGH LOT THAT IT CAN STAND ON THE OWN. MS. CHAPPELLE OWNS THAT INTLIER PHASE. SHE OWNS THREE OF FOUR RESIDENCES THERE. IT'S A FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SHE OWNS, SO THE MOBILE HOME WILL STAND ON ITSELF.

>> MR. MATOVINA: PLET ME ASK MY QUESTION.

MAYBE JUXTAPOSE ANSWER IT YES OR NO.

THE PART WE'RE TAKING OUT OF THE PRD WILL HAVE ONE MOBILE HOME AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES.

THAT'S IT. >> SPEAKER: THE MOBILE HOME IS GOING TO STAY IS IN THE PRD. THE REST OF THAT LOT WILL BE FOR

THE COMMERCIAL USES. >> MR. MATOVINA: NOW I UNDERSTAND BETTER. THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

BEFORE WE MOVE ON AND START VOTING ON THESE THREE ITEMS, I WANT TO CLIER CLARIFY FI THERE'S NO EXPARTD COMMUNICATION WITH REGARD TO ALL THREE ITEMS. ALL RIGHT.

SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> MR. PIERRE: NO, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION ON I THINK ITEM NUMBER 5. THANK YOU.

WHICH IS TO REMOVE THE PROPERTY FROM THE PRD.

MR. PIR. >> MR. PIERRE: RECOMMEND IMPROVEMENT MAJOR MOD 2022-02 BARTRAM DOWNTOWNS UNIT II BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDE AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT PROVIDE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE EVER A MOTION FORE APPROVAL BY MR. PIERRE. IS THERE A SECOND?

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION. >> HEARING NONE, LETS REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOTION PASSES 5-0. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 6.

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH REALLY DIDN'T REQUIRE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION. MR. MILLER.

>> MR. MILLER: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT SMALL SCALE 2022-07 RV/BOAT STORAGE BASED FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF

REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY MR. .

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. WILSON.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE

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THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 7.

MR. MILLER. >> MR. MILLER: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 2022-09 RV/BOAT STORAGE BASED ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY MR. . IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. WILSON. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER 8, MR. HART AND IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATING TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER 8?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: YES, I SPOKE WITH MR. HART ON MONDAY MORNING ABOUT IN AND HE WENT THROUGH THE PARTICULARS AND THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND WE DISCUSSED A FEW THING LIKE THE HOUSE, THE NUMBER OF HOUSES GOING FROM NINE TO SEVEN AND 90-FOOT LOTS, ET CETERA.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. HILLER. >>> MI ALSO SPOKE TO MR. HART.

WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE REDUCTION AFTER HE SPOKE WITH SOME OF THE

NEIGHBORS. >> MR. PIERRE: I ALSO SPOKE TO MR. HART AND DISCUSSED THE PARTICULARS OF THE PROPERTIES.

>> MR. WILSON: I RECEIVED A CALL FROM MR. HART.

DIDN'T HAVE GET A CHANCE TO CALL HIM BACK.

>> MR. MATOVINA: I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH MR. HART, AS BRIEF AS HE CAN KEEP ONE, AND WE DISCUSSED THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBOR AND END RESULT. YOU'VE GOT TO FLOOR, MR. HART.

>> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THIS IS A SMALL SCALE LAND USE CHNGE AND A REZONING.

IT'S ON CLATTER BRIDGE ROAD. IF YOU'RE HEADED EAST ON PALM VALLEY ROAD THERE ACROSS FROM THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY, YOU GET OFF ON LAUREL LANE AND COME BACK OVER TO CHARGE, A CLATTER BRIDGE, A PRIVATE LOAD WAY WITH NINE HOUSES ON END AND.

THERE'S THREE HOUSES ON OUR PROPERTY THAT WE WILL BE REMOVING. CURRENTLY THERE ARE TWO MOBILE HOMES IS AND A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WE WILL TEAR DOWN AND

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THEY'RE ASKING FOR SEVEN LOTS AND IT WOULD BE ABOUT 1.87 UNITS PER ACRE. LET ME GO BACK THERE JUST FOR YOU TO SEE ALL AROUND US. TO THE WEST IS MOCHA NOAK NOO IT'S PRETTY WELL DEVELOPED. CURRENTLY ZONING IS OR.

WE'RE ASKING FOR RES-2. MINIMUM LOT SIZE 10,000, MAXES LOT COVERAGE 30%. THERE WILL BE A LOT LARGE PER IT'S 4.14 ACRES, SEVEN TOTAL LOTS SO A PRIVATE ROAD, PRIVATE DRIVE. IT WILL BE VERY NICE LOTS THERE.

IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PLAN, WE DID SUBMIT OR PLAN.

WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY IMPACTS TO ANY WETLAND.

NICE BUFFERS THERE. WE NEGOTIATED WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO DO A PLEASANT AGREEMENT ON CLATTER BRIDGE SO THAT WE WILL ACTUALLY BE OVERLAYING CLATTER BRIDGE PRETTY GOOD WAYS THERE, AND THEN WE'LL DO A MAINTAINS AGREEMENT FOR LONG-TERM CARE OF CLATTER BRIDGE WHICH HASN'T BEEN TAKEN CARE OF BUT WE'LL OVERLAY IT AND THEN HAVE A LONG-TERM MAINTAINS AGREEMENT WITH IT.

MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH IT. ALONG CLATTER BRIDGE, SO A LOT LESS VISUAL IMPACT TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE NORTH OF US, AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.

SEVEN LOTS ON FOUR, A LITTLE MORE THAN 4 ACRES.

BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANYBODY

HERE TO OPPOSE. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. HART? HEARING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MR. PIERRE: NO, SIR. >> MR. MATOVINA: NO SPEAKER CARDS. WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FAR

FOR AN ACTION ON ITEM NUMBER -- >> DR. HILSENBECK: I WOULD PLOOF TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT SMALL KALE TWIEWN 23 CLATTER BRIDGE BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. WILSON. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. ALL RIGHT.

THAT ITEM PASSES 5-0. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 9.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I'LL MOVE AGAIN TO APPROVE RECOMMENDED

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>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. A MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. WILSON.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE ON THE PUD. THAT MOTIONS PASSES 5-0.

THANKS FOR KEEPING IT BRIEF, MR. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 10. IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH ITEM NUMBER 10?

SEEING NONE, MS. GREEN. >> HI.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. MY NAME IS LINDA GREEN.

I'M THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER AT 4954A1A SOUTH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YOU MIGHT NEED TO SPEAK MORE DIRECTLY INTO THAT MICROPHONE AND A LITTLE LOUDER WITH THE STORM.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS LINDA GREEN.

TIM CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER AT 4954 A1A SOUTH.

I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE REZONING OF THE ACTUAL PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE LOT THAT I PURCHASED, AND ALL OF THESE OVER HERE IS A VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER OFF OF BURL BEACH.

-- BUTLER BEACH. A CURRENTLY ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND I'M LOOKING TO CHANGE IT TO RESIDENTIAL.

I DO HAVE FAMILY FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND FAMILY IN VILANO BEACH AND I GROUP OVER ON THIS SIDE AND WE ARE TRYING TO PUT A MODULAR HOME ON THIS PROPERTY.

IT WOULD BE A 2022, 2,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME.

A 20,232,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME. I'M SHORT AND SWEET AND TO THE POINT. THAT'S REALLY I'M UP LEER IS FOR THE ZONING OF THE HOUSE. IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR

ME I WILL ANSWER. >> MR. MATOVINA: WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH, MS. GREEN. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. GREEN? ANY SPEAKER CARDS? WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR

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NOR A MOTION. >> DR. HILSENBECK: ALL RIGHT.

I WILL MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2022-10

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THE STAFF REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

A MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PIERRE. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

THAT MOTION PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU, MS. GREEN.

>> THANK YOU. I BRESCH YOUR TIME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 11, THIS IS MS. HAGA, AND OR IT MIGHT BE MS. SMITH AND MS. HAGA.

IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATING TO DECLARE WITH

REGARD TO THIS ITEM? >> DR. HILSENBECK: YES.

I SPOKE WITH ELLEN AVERY-SMITH ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY.

WE DISCUSSED QUITE A FEW PARTICULARS OF IT.

I ALSO SPOKE WITH MR. JOE MCANARNEY ABOUT IT AND, IN FACT, WE RECEIVED THE PZA MEMBERS I BELIEVE RECEIVED EMAILS FROM HIM AT OUR PEASE PZA EMAIL ADDRESSES, SO WE JUST TALKED GENERALLY ABOUT THE PROPOSAL, PARNLG, TRAFFIC.

THERE WAS, YOU OTHER THING. I TALKED WITH ELLEN AVERY-SMITH ABOUT WETLANDS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT IS WAS IT IS. >> MR. PIERRE: I ALSO SPOKE TO MS. AVERY-SMITH WITH THE SAME ISSUES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYONE ELSE? I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MS. SMITH ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THIS, AND WE DISCUSSED QUITE A BIT OF A PRIOR REQUEST FOR APARTMENTS IN THE AREA AND HOW IT WENT, AND I DIDN'T SEE THE EMAIL FROM MR. MCANARNEY, AND I

LOOKED THIS MORNING. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I KNOW I

RECEIVED IT. >> MR. MATOVINA: MAYBE I

WASN'T COPIED. >> MR. WILSON: I DID RECEIVE A

CALL FROM MS. ELLEN AVERY-SMITH. >> MR. MILLER: MY CROIB EMAIL HASN'T WORKED IN TWO MONTHS. MAY HAVE RECEIVED IT HAD, MAY

NOT HAVE. >> MR. MATOVINA: MINE WORKS FINE. IT MIGHT OPERATOR ERROR.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: COULD BE. >> MR. MILLER: WHAT DO YOU

THINK? >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

MS. HAGA AND MS. SMITH, YOU HAVE TO FLOOR.

>> SPEAKER: WELL, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS.

I'M ELLEN AVERY-SMITH, ROGERS TOWERS, 100 WHETSTONE PLACE.

AND WITH ME TODAY ARE THE LOVELY LINDSAY HAGA FROM ENGLAND-THIMS & MILLER WHO IS GOING TO CO-PREN WITH ME.

ALONG WITH US ARE STEWART STUART FIRST BERE, TOM AND FRALEY FROM THE FERBER COMPANY WHO WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MINUTE ALSO CASEY DENDOR WHO IS ANOTHER PROJECT MANAGER AND PROJECT EVER OUR PROJECT TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING FROM ETM, SO IF WE NEED SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, WE'VE GOT THEM ALL.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND GEN ABOUT THE FERBER COMPANY, THE FERBER COMPANY HAS ITS LOCAL OFFICE IN PONTE VEDRA SO IN ST. AUGUSTINE. THEY SPECIALIZE IN DIFFERENT MIXED USE KINDS OF PROJECTS, BOTH COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY. IGHTS IT'S YOU A FOURTH GENERN FAMILY OWNED COMPANY FOUNDED IN 1907 AND OFFICES NOT ONLY IN PONTE VEDRA BUT ST. PETERS BURGER, SINGER ISLAND AND ATLANTA AND NEW JERSEY AND, OF COURSE, THOUGH DO A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE THEY DIVE IN, AND SO THEY HAVE MARKET TESTED THIS PROPERTY FOR THEIR PROPOSED USES THAT WE'LL GO OVER.

I THINK THIS BOARD WOULD MOST RECENTLY REMEMBER THE FERBER COMPANY FROM THE PROJECT THAT WE DID CALLED DURBIN CREEK CROSSING UP ON RACE TRACK ROAD A COUPLE OF YERS AGO THAT WAS A MIXED USE PROJECT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT WHAT THEY DO ON THE DESCREEN.

THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODY IS LITERALLY THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE THAT'S LOCATED, SO HERE'S STATE ROAD 16.

SO IT'S EAST OF I-95 HERE, AND THIS IS FOUR MILE ROAD.

AND THIS IS THE FUTURE ROIFD, WHICH IS ALREADY OWNED BY DOT OF STATE ROAD -- I CAL IT STATE ROAD 312.

IT MIGHT BE CALLED STATE ROAD 313 AT SOME POINT UP.

SEE ALSO THE LOCATION OF PUBLIC AND OTHER EXECIAL STLS.

YOU NOTE THE TRANSIT ROUTE FOR THE BUS COMPANY THE PURPLE LINE AND THEN THE ORANGE LINE THAT GOES THIS WAY YOU.

NOTICE IT IS IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO DOWNTOWN ST. AUGUSTINE WHERE WE HAVE LOTS BUSINESSES WHERE PEOPLE CAN WORK AND THEY DEFINITELY NEED PLACES TO LIVE AND WORK ABOUT NOW.

GOING TO THE CURRENT ENTITLEMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF MIXED USE DISTRICT BECAUSE IT'S ON THE STATE ROAD 16 16 DOOR CORRIDO.

AS YOU KNOW, THAT LIMITS DENSITY TO 16 DWELLING UNITS PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE AND A VARIETY OF NONRESIDENTIAL USES.

ALSO JUST THE TO SOUTH YOU CAN SEE THE SURROUNDING AREAS ALONG 4 FOUR MILE ROAD OR RESIDENTIAL C WHICH ALLOWS 6 SIX UNITS PER

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WITH RESPECT TO ZOOMING IN ON THE SITE, AGAIN, THE SITE IS 33 ACRES, LOCATED VERY CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN ST. AUGUSTINE.

YOU SEE THE PROXIMITY OF THE SITE TO THE WHOLE ROADWAY NETWORK AND THE SUNSHINE BUS COMPANY ROUTES AS WELL AS, AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NEAR A JOB CENTER.

IT DOES PROVIDE BOTH -- SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE MULTI-FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES HERE IN PROXIMITY TO THOSE BUSINESSES. AND AGAIN, ACCESS TO TRANSIT ROUTES. YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THE ZOOM IN. THIS IS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITY BUILDING SO THE PROPERTY IS LITERALLY VOWBD ON FOUR SURROUNDED BY EITHER THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITIES, FOUR MILE ROAD, STATE ROAD 312 RIGHT-OF-WAY, SO THERE IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT'S'LL FELLOW OWNED BY DOT NOW AND STATE ROAD 16. SO IT IS WELL-BUFFERED, IF YOU WILL, FROM THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MS. HAGA WILL GIVE YOU THE DETAILS ABOUT THAT DISTANCE IN JUST A MINUTE. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE EXISTING ZONING, ALSO THE PROPERTY ALREADY HAS DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, SO IT WAS APPROVED IN 2007 AS THE FERBER PUD BECAUSE FERBER OWNS PART OF THIS PROPERTY NOW. IT IS APPROVED FOR 95,000 SQUARE FEET OF SHOPPING CENTER SPACE, AND THEN THE LITTLE ORANGE PARCEL IS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE WITH CONDITIONAL USES, SO AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY ALREADY HAS EXISTING ZONING WITH EXISTING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. AND THEN GOING TO THE PROPOSED ZONING, AGAIN, JUST TAKING OUT THE LITTLE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE PIECE, REZONING THE WHOLE THING TO PUD AND CHANGING THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ALLOW A MAXIMUM OF 405 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS AND 95,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL, SO KEEPING THAT 95,000. ALSO I KNOW THAT WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING, AND I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE FROM MISSION TRACE. SO JUST NOTE AGAIN THERE IS NO ACCESS ONTO STATE ROAD 312 BECAUSE THE ROAD DOES NOT EXIST P THE ACCESS POINTS ON THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL BE LIMITED TO ONE OFF FOUR MILE ROAD AND ONE UEFA STATE ROAD COMPANY. OBVIOUSLY THE PROJECT DOESN'T BORDER ON KENTON MORRIS WHICH IS THEIR PRIMARY ACCESS POINT FROM MISSION TRACE, AND SO WOULDN'T BE SENDING CARS DIRECTLY ONTO KENTON MORRISON ROAD.

THEY WILL BE SENT ONLY ONTO FOUR MILE AND STATE ROAD 16.

AND SO WITH THAT I'M GOING TURN IT OVER TO LINDSEY TO TALK ABOUT

HER PLANNING MAGIC. >> SPEAKER: GREAT.

THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD LINDY HAGA, LAND PLANNER WITH ENGLAND, THIMS & MILLER 14775 OLD SARATOGA ROAD, AND THAT WASTE A GREAT TEE-UP HAVE WHERE OUR PROJECT IS LOCATED REALLY DEFINING THE PARAMETERS THAT CALL OUT AND DEFINE WHAT IS INFILL DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT'S SOME OF WHAT WE DISCUSS AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING.

WE'RE LOK IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE GENERAL AREA OF STMG SO WE'RE NOT IN A DISTRICT THAT MAN TAITS THAT YOU HAVE COMMUNITY MEETING BUT THE APPLICANT WANTED TO HOST ONE.

WE DID THAT LOCALLY AT THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT SO IT WAS VERY CONVENIENT AND ALSO PROVIDED US WITH THAT IMPRESSION OF WHESH WE ARE ON FOUR MILE ROAD AND ON STATE ROAD 16.

DURING THE COMMUNITY MEETING WE TBAWG THE EXISTING LAKE AND WATER FEATURE. YOU HAVE SEEN THAT WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE AERIAL IMAGES. THAT'S AN OLD BORROW PIT AREA AND CONTAINS VERY CLEAR WATER. WE TALKED ABOUT DISTANCE SEPARATION AND BUFFER FROM STATE ROAD 12 OR STATE ROAD 13 AND ACCESS TO FOUR MILE RADIOED AND STATE ROAD 16 AND TRAFFIC.

HOW THAT WORKS IMMEDIATELY ON PROJECT SITE ANDY WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR STUDY FOR OVERALL FACTS WITH THE ROADWAY NETWORK.

WE HAD A QUESTION-AND-ANSWER PERIOD THAT TURNED INTO AN OPEN HOUSE WHERE WE GOT TO OPEN OUR MAPS AND WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE YOU QUESTIONS THAT MISSION. TRACE FOLKS HAVE.

SO I'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOUSAND HOW THEIR STORM WATER PONDS WORKER AND HOW THEY'RE NOT INTERCONNECTED FOR THE PROPOSED RIGHT-OF-WAY IN STATE ROAD 12 AND OUR PROJECT.

IN MAP IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE FIRST VICINITY MAP WE SHOWED BUT AT A GREATER SCALE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE REALLY TO GO IN WHERE OUR PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE RED AREA THAT YOU SEE, AND T%-Ú2 RIGHT-OF-WAY REALLY GETTING THE EXTENT OF WHAT THAT ROADWAY MEANS FOR THAT OUTER BELTWAY FOR ST. AUGUSTINE, AND THEN PICKING UP THIS IS THE PORTION THAT'S UNCONSTRUCTION FROM 207 INTO HOMES. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INFILL DEVELOPMENT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WE WOULDN'T IOWAING TO PLACE HOMES WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS AVAILABLE THAT FEDERAL RESERVE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENTS AND PART OF THAT IS THE TRANSIT SYSTEM IS THAT YOU SEE.

THE THE COLORED LINES REPRESENT THE COLOREDS LINES OF OUR

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WE AWKD WALKED THROUGH THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY MEETING.

TTS IT'S THE REGULATORY VERSION. WE'LL TBROIT LIFE WITH COLOR IMAGES IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES BUT TAKEAWAY POINT IS HE EVER IS THE PROJECT BHOWNDERY AND AS ELLEN WAS DESCRIBING WE ARE ESSENTIALLY ISOLATED BY SNRAWCH. STATE ROAD 16 THE TO NORTH OF THE SITE, THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT HERE, AND THIS IS FOUR MILE WITH THE INTERSECTION OF FEWER MILE AND STATE ROAD 16 JUNIOR JUST OFF-MAP. WE HAVE OUR POND AMENITY.

YOU SEE THAT'S LOCATED HERE. AND THIS IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT KOWT FOR STATE ROAD 312 WITH YOU.

SEE AT THAT DISTANCE ITS SMALLEST PART IS 250 FEET.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE POND SECTION OF THE SITE THAT'S 475 FEET.

I'M TOLD THAT'S LARGER THAN A FOOTBALL FIELD IF WE WANT TO GHAIFT DISTANCE THINGS THAT ARE FAMILIAR TO US IN DISTANCE AND SIZE. SO SOME COMPOPHEASANT THAT ARE CONTAINED THAT THE PUD, 405 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.

THAT'S THAT DENSITY THAT WE'RE NEAR FOR OUR MIXED USE° THAT WE WANT TO SEE FOR INFILL AND YOU CAN PRESENT THAT ON THE PRODUCT TYPE OF EITHER TOWNHOMES OR DEPARTMENTS EXPENDING FOR THAT THANK AND THEN COMMERCIAL AS THE 95,000 SQUARE FEET THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITHIN THE PUD. THIS MAP IS HELPFUL BECAUSE IT DOES SO IN ON-SITE WETLANDS OF THE 33.

WE HAVE 6 ACRES OF WETLANDS. WE'RE SHOWING IN IT THIS HATCH PATTERN. SPHRATD RUNNING THROUGH THE WETLANDS IS THE WATER LINE FOR TO CITY ST. AUGUSTINE.

WE HAVE OH HONOR THAT TEM, AND WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS IT DOES DICTATE TO US WHERE WE CAN PLACE OUR CONNECTION ON FOUR MILE WITH RESPECT TO WHERE FOUR MILE WILL FLY OVER THE STROOD 312 RIGHT-OF-WAY. SO THAT GIVES US THAT CORN SITE PARAMETERS HAVE WHERE WE CAN PLACE THAT AND IT STARTS TO INTRODUCE THAT SITUATION SPRAYING STANDARD AND ACCESS MANAGEMENT ALONG FOUR MILE. ALONG STROOT 16 WE HAVE THE SAME. WE HAVE TO HIT ACCESS MANAGEMENT THAT SO THAT PLACES YOU HERE WHEK WE CAN PUT OUR ACCESS CONNECTION AND THAT INDURS OUR ON UNIQUE CONDITIONS, TO THE SITE WHERE WE'RE HAVING INPUT FOR DEVELOPMENT.

SO LET'S START TO WALK THROUGH SOME OF THESE EXAMS PELINGS.

THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT'S UP AT COUNTRY'S TRACK RADIOED AND. VERY SIMILAR IN REGARD THOUSAND THE PLACEMENT OF THE AND ON THE SIDE OF IT AS WELL AS HAVING LAKE AMENITY FEATURES SO THIS IS A PRODUCT EXAMPLE WE SHARED AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING AS WELL AS GIVING SOME OTHER ILLUSTRATIONS FOR HOW THIS WILL PRODUCE HERE IN THE AREA.

SO WHEN WE BRING YOUR PLAN TO LIFE, THESE ARE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS BUT WHAT YOU'LL NOTE DIFFERENT THAN ON OUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN THIS AREA WHAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, THE ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE 312 EXTENSION. AND WE KNOW THAT FOUR MILE ROAD ONE PLAN SET IS PLANNED AS AN OVERPASS FOR THE EXTENSION AND WE SEE THAT HERE'S OUR DISTANCES THAT WE HAVE IN REGARD TO MISSION TRACE, AND THEN THE GREATER SPOT WHERE WE HAVE FOR THE PONDING. THIS CONCEPT SHOWS IF WE WANTED TO HOLD OFF WHERE DEPENDING ON THE MARKET OR THE TIMING OF WHEN THE 312 EXTENSION IS COMPLETED AND INTERINVESTIGATING STATE ROAD 16 WE CAN SEE ON THE SOUTHERN HALF THAT'S WHERE THE MULTI-FAMILY NATURALLY GRAVITATES TO ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN WE COULD HAVE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL.

SO HERE'S ONE EXAMPLE YOU CAN SEE IF WE GO IN THE SOUTHERN HALF ON A A PHASED APPROACH. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE MIX IN, START TO BRING IN THE 95,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE USES, THOSE THINGS THAT WE ALL LIKE TO DO, WHERE WE WORK OR WE JUST RECREATE OR ENJOY OUR COMMERCIAL SHOPPING THAT WE SEE, AND YOU START TO SEE THAT LAYOUT PRESENT ITSELF ALONG THE FRONTAGE. AND WE'RE MEETING ALL THE STANDARDS FOR THE SETBACKS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE LAYS OUT WHEN WE START TO DESIGN FOR THE PUD.

THIS PLAN ALSO. KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS FOR US OFF THE BLACK AND WHITE PLAN. AGAIN, THE SPHEF ST. AUGUSTINE WHERE ARE THERE A PIPE NECESSITATING OUR ACCESS TO WETLAND. OUR ELECTION ON FOUR MILE RECORD REGARDING ITS MEASUREEAU AND SACHS SEPARATION FROM STATE ROAD 312, AND THE SAME ON STATE ROAD 16 WHERE PROPOSING A LEFT IN AND THEN A RIGHT TURN IN AND RIGHT OUT WITH A TURN LANE SO THOSE GIVE YOU THOSE EXRAM TERRACE OF WHY THE ACCESS IS LOCATED WHERE IT IS. LASTLY IS A CONCEPT WE ALSO SHARED AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING, AN ENTIRELY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT.

WE WILL SEE WE HAVE OUR AMENITY LOCTED AT THE FRONT, KIND OF MIMICS THAT WHAT YOU WHOF FOR COMMERCIAL IN THAT AREA FOR THOSE TYPES OF HASKTS. YOU'RE FRONTING IN TO HAVE THAT SAME ACCESS CONNECTION ON STATE ROAD 16, SAME ACCESS CONNECTION

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ONE OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS THAT WE HAD, AND I BELIEVE ONE OF OUR ADJACENT RESIDENTS IN NITION EVER MISSION TRACE HAD CONCERNS OR TALKED ABOUT THE PROPOSED HEIGHT FOR THE GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS WHICH WOULD BE FOUR-STORY OR 60 FEET.

SO WHAT THIS CROSS-SECTION IS SHOWING US, IF WE'RE STANDING IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT MISSION TRACE AND I'M A 6-FOOT GENTLEMAN, I'M LOOKING FOR THE PROPERTY I'LL SEE ACROSS 250 FEETS OF RIGHT-OF-WAY. MY SIGHT STARTS, MY LINE OF SIGHT STARTS TO DIMINISH BEFORE GET IT TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 50-FOOT BUILDING SETBACK THAT WILL ADHERE TO FOR THE BUILDING PLACEMENT LOCATION.

SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW IN THAT BOUNDING OF WHAT IT SITE CONDITIONS, OR CONTEXT SENSITIVITY THAT THESE PLM FAMILY APARTMENT BUILTS ARE NOT PROPOSED MEL ADJACENT TO WHATD WOULD BE THE MISSION TRACE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE RENNERINGS THAT OUR IN-HOUSE ARTIST DESIGNED SO WE CAN START TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU PUT TOGETHER THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, HOW THAT SCALE IS ALONG FOUR MILE ROAD, THOSE WALKING ALONG FOUR MILE FOR THE ENTRY INTO THE PROJECT, A MIXED USE VERSION ALONG STATE ROAD 16 AND KIND OF THAT CLUBHOUSE SLERGS THAT WE SAW ON STATE ROAD 16 TO GIVE USIEST IMPRESSIONS OF WHAT WE INTEND TO DELIVER FOR THE PROJECT. THIS PROJECT PUD DOES INCLUDE TREE WAIVERS, TWO OF WHICH YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE.

THE THE ONE IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THAT'S THE REGULATORY PLAN THAT YOU HAVE ONES WITHIN YOUR PACKET.

GIFTS ALL THE GIELDZLINES AND PARAMETERS TO DEVELOP A INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE SECOND TO PLOW FOR A TOWNHOME IN THAT ARCHITECTURAL VARIATION FOR THE PORTION OF HOME THAT IS NO THE GARAGE THAT WILL HAVE OUR BAY WINDOWS OR THE ENTRY FEECHES THAT WOULD BE COULD BE CLOSER TO THE STREET TO GIVE YOU THE VARIATION BUT STILL HAVE YOUR CAR OUTSIDERS OF SIDEWALK AREA.

AND THEN THE LARGER ONE IS JUST SIMPLY A REQUEST TO CALCULATE PARKING BASED ON 1.75 SPACES PER UNIT RA LEARN THE A BEDROOM MIXED. AT THIS TIME WHEN WE ENGAGE AND TALK WITH BUILDERS, USING A 1.75 SPACES PER UNIT IS A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD WAY TO CALCULATE WHAT WHOB THE NEEDED PARNLG AND GO THROUGH DIFFERENT SITE PLAN ITERATIONS.

THAT'S THE BASIS, THE REASONS FOR IT.

WHY THIS IS AFFORDABLE IS WE HAVE LOOKED AS THE ITE, THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS STUDY, A STUDY BY DR. WILSON OUT OF CALIFORNIA LOOKING AT MULTI-FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS OR MULTI-FAMILY COMMUNITIES IN SUBURBAN ERRORS EVER AREAS AND OUR OWN STUDY WHERE BEVE PICKED OUTED FIVE PROJECTS WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO KIND OF GIVE YOU LOCAL DATA.

WHAT'S THE LONG AND THE SHORT IS WHEN YOU LOOK' AT THIS CHART AND YOU MATCH IT TO THE MAP YOU HAVE IN THE PARKING ANALYSIS WE SEE THAT THE RATIO OF 1 OPINION OF THE 75 IS WITHIN IN BANDING OF WHAT'S THE AVERAGE SPACE, AND THEE PARMTD UNITS DID USE A BEDROOM MIX WHEN IT COULD ALSO TO PERMITTING.

WHEN YOU FOLLOW THE INDEX THAT'S IN YOUR PLANNING DEVELOPMENT CODE YOU ARRIVE AT THE SAME SPECTRUM SO THAT GIVES US THE DATA POINT THAT WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE WAIVER.

THIS WHITE SOX THROUGH THE DATA POINTS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE TRIP GENERATION MODULE THAT WE'RE USING.

P ANOTHER. SUGGESTED FOR THE SAME NIEPPED RISE UNIT NOT NEAR RAIL TRANSIT WOULD BE A LOWER SPACES PER RATE AND WE'RE PROPOSING THE 1.75 MERCHANDISE OF CALCULATIONS.

IF YOU WANT GOO GET INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY THIS IS HOW ALG RITHS WORK. THEN THIS GIVES US WHAT IS THE MIX COULD USING A ESTIMATED LOT MIX WHAT WOULD BE THE REQUIRED PARKING, 730 SPACES IF YOU ESTIMATE WHAT THE PROOMED WOULD BE, WHEN WE APPLY 1.75 THAT'S A DIRCHTDZ OF 10 SPACES.

WE'RE IN GOODND STANG TO WHAT WE SEE HERE LOCALLY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THAT BOB THE I.T. TRIP GENERATION RATE AT THAT LOWER AMOUNT. SO WHY APARTMENTS? WHY HERE, THIS INFILL? LET'S LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT OF MARKET DETAILS AND VACANCY RATES.

WE'RE SEES FROM MARKET AND THIS IS COMING OUT OF NORTHEAST FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS AND IS ON QUO STAR REPORT THAT WE'RE SEEING A CHANGE IN POPULATION ESTIMATES INTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAVE 16.9%. WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT JUST FOR DUVAL FOR A SAMPLE PEACE A DIFFERENCE OF 4.5 THAT THEY WOULD EXPECT ON SEE IN DUVAL COUNTY.

WITHIN IF 4-MILE AREA OF OUR PROJECT LOCATIONS WE HAVE FLEE EXISTING APARTMENT COMMUNITIES AND ONE THAT WAS RECENTLY PROPOSED. REPORTED VACANCY RATES IN JACKSONVILLE ARE ABOVE WHAT THE NATIONAL AVERAGE WOULD BE.

AND THEN WE HAVE 3.6 VACANCIES SO IT'S A TIGHTER VACANCY RATE THAN WE SEE NEAR IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND MEDIUM HOME SALES FORE WHAT WOULD BE THAT BINN IS HIESH HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

IT HAD MAN'S BY PROVIDING ADDITIONAL RENT UNITS WEEKS ADDRESS THE MARK AND REDUCE THE BARRIER TO HOME OWNERSHIP TO --

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TYPICALLY WE SEE THIS IN TWO WAYS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WITHIN THE ROADWAYS AND ALSO WITHIN SCHOOLS.

SO FOCUSING ON THE ROADWAYS IF YOU UTIZE WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT FROM YOU ARE YOUR CHART THIS PROJECT IS DPPTD TO ABOUT A UNDER $3 MILLION IN IMPACT. THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE WITHIN OUR STUDY AREA IS $1.2 MILLION.

SO THEY'LL PAY MORE IN IMPACTS THAN WHAT THEY'RE PROPORTIONATE SHARE IS SO THAT PUBLIC BENEFITS.

AONG THE PROJECT NEV SET ASIDE 20 FEET OF ROADWAY FOR FUTURE WIDING FOUR MILE ROAD. THAT DOES HAVE AN VALUE.

I'M GIVING YOU WHAT THAT RAW LAND VALUE WOULD BE SO WE WILL SEE THE FURTHER CONTRIBUTIONS TO MAKE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING FOR STRJ. STRDGES.

JUST A LITTLE BIT TO GET INTO FACTS AND MR. HATCHER CAN IF YOU HAVE DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT TRIP DISTRIBUTIONS, EACH FROM THE PROJECT SITE BUT IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO NO HOW IT'S CALCULATED FOR OUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.

IF WE YOU WILL WERE ALL ON IT NOW DRIVING ON STATE ROAD 16, FOUR MILE ROAD, I'M 95 AND THE LIKE.

WHEN YOU SEE GREEN THAT'S FLEE FLOWING TRAFFIC.

90 IS HITTING THAT, HITE CAN MERE THE CAPACITY THAT'S SET AND ARE THAT PINK OR FUCHSIA AREA PLAN'S WE'RE EXCEEDING THAT NOW.

THAT THE EXPERIENCE WE HAVE NEW TO THE ROADWAYS.

WHEN YOU ADD IN COMMITTED TRAFFIC, THESE ARE THE PAPER TRIPS SO OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE APPROVED AND RECEIVED THEIR FINAL CERTIFICATE OF CONCURRENCE BUT HAVE NOT YET APPEAR TO THE ROADWAY WE SEE WE HAVE AN CREENGS NUMBER OF ROADWAYS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED. THOUGH ALSO BECOME THE ROADS WE WITHIN OUR STUDY AREA WE THEN ABOUT PIE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE. ALSO THAT'S WITHIN YOUR STAFF REPORT. IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN THE BLUE.

SO THAT'S HOW THE METHODOLOGY OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE HIGHEST EVER THAT P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIP OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SATISFY FOR THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.

YOU HAVE THAT CHART. AULD TOLD WE'RE LOOKING A $1.2 MILLION THAT THIS PROJECT WILL PAY FOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THIS FOUR MILE STUD AREA.

WE ALWAYS LIKE TO POINT OUT WHAT ARE SOME POTENTIAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANKS THAT COULD BE RECIPIENTS OF APPLIANCE WITHIN THE AREA. WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE INTERSECTION AT THE INTERCHANGE OF STATE ROAD 16 AND I-95.

THAT INTERCHANGE MOVEMENT IS UNDERWAY BUT THOSE DOLLARS CAN GO TOWARDS STATE ROAD 16 SEGMENT FROM 95 OVER THE INMAN, INMA'AM TO FOUR MILE, FOUR PLIEL TO YOU HAD WOODLAWN.

THOSE DOLLARS COULD BE COLLECTED AND BADE FOR ALMOST TOTALING UP TO 10% OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR THAT.

WE ALSO TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOMES THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW FROM THE 312 AREA FOR THAT COLLECTION OF HOW THESE MONEYS CAN BE USED IN PIVOTED.

ALSO ON THE COUNTY'S LIST OF THE SALES FA, POTENTIAL SALES TAX IMPROVEMENT IS THE WESTBOUND TURN LANE ONTO MILE WHICH COULD BE A RECIPIENT OF THESE DOLLARS QUOMG OUT OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL AS OTHER DOLLARS THAT HAVE BEEN COLLECTED THROUGH OTHERS IN THE SAME STUD AREA. WYE APPROVING THIS PROJECT THERE'S APPLIANCE THAT ARE AVAILABLE THAT ONE CERTAINLY WILL ADDRESS ROAD IMPROVEMENTS DOLLAR WITHIN THE STUD AREA BUT ALSO ONE THAT'S A SPECIFIC LIST ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS LIST. THIS GIVES US AN IDEA JUST SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE AT I-95 AND STATE ROAD 16. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTED HOW THIS WILL HELP TRAFFIC MOVE ON COUNTY RADIOED 108 OVER TO THE OUTLET MALL MAKING THEY GO IMPROVEMENTS.

IT'S DAIFN EXPERIENCE THAN WE EXPERIENCE NOW AND THAT'S ESTIMATED TO BE IMLEETD IN TWO YEARS.

LASTLY, THIS IS THE 313 SEGMENT FROM STATE ROAD 207 OVER TO HOLMES. THEY'LL REALLY CHANGE THE PERSONS EXPERIENCE OF TRIEFERS AND DRIVE THE TOOLINGS CAN CAPACITY IN THAT SOUTHERN AREA HAVE OUR STUDY AREA.

AS WE KNOW THE REMAINDER OF STATE ROAD 313 OR 312 EXTENSION IS UNDER DESIGN AND ENGINEERING BY THE DISTRICT.

SO WITH THAT I'LL SUMMARIZE WITH THIS LIST OF THE HIGH POINTS THAT WE BEGIN TO TELL, INFILL MIXED USE A MAJOR INTERSECTION.

THIS IS A -- APPROVED IN 2007 WITH THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENT HERE FOR THE PROPERTY. THAT COMPATIBLE DESIGN WE'RE REALLY ISOLATED BY THE ROAD, THREE MAJOR ROADWAYS, TWO MAJOR ROADWAYS AND THEN A RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR STATE ROAD 23 THRFL, 313.

WE'VE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS THAT MEET THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

OUR ACCESS TO THE REGIONAL ROADWAY IS INDICATED BY THE MARKETED DEMAND ATTRACTED TO THE SITE.

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YOU'RE PROVIDING THE PRON OF RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THE ESTIMATED IMPACTS EXCEED THEIR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AND WERE ADJACENT TO PUBLIC TRANSIT.

THOSE ARE ALL PLANNING PRINCIPLES WE WANT TO SEE WHEN THEY'RE DEVELOPING WITHIN THE MIXED USING CORRIDOR.

SO I MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, ELLEN AND THE

PROJECT TEAM. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. IT WAS STATED AT THE OUTSAID BY ELLEN AVERY-SMITH THAT -- OUTSET BY ELLEN AVERY-SMITH THAT THERE WERE NO APARTMENTS NEARBY, MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS NEARBY OR IN THE VICINITY, BUTTED THEN YOU DISPUTED THAT, WHICH I WAS GOING TO DO, BECAUSE THERE ARE QUITE A FEW APARTMENTS NEARBY LIKE OVER NORTH OF STATE ROAD 16 EAST OF 95, THERE'S A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX BACK UP IN THERE, OVER BY THE OUTLET MALLS ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE THERE WAS GOING TO BE THAT LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION CENTER, SO THERE ARE SOME APARTMENT

COMPLEXES NEARBY. >> I DON'T THINK WE SAID THAT.

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T RECALL SAYING THAT, BUTTED I MAY BE TIRED AT THIS JUNCTURE AND SO I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I REALIZE ARE THERE EXISTING AND APPROVED APARTMENTS IN THIS SITE,.

>> THIS AREA, A NUMBER, I COUPLE OF WHICH WE JOINTLY REPRESENT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M SURE YOU.

STATED THAT THIS HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, I BELIEVE IN 2007, FOR 95,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL.

>> SPEAKER: CORRECT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: BUT THAT EXPIRED, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S NO LONGER VALID AND WE'RE STARTING DE NOVO OH A NEW APPROVAL HERE?

>> SPEAKER: NOT EXACTLY. BY LAW THE PUD STAYS IN PLACE, AND YOU HAVE TO DO A MODIFICATION TO THAT PUD TO REVIVE IT FOR CHANGE IT AS THE CASE MAY BE SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE

DOING. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO DID IT NOT EXPIRE. THAT APPROVAL OF 95,000.

>> MR. PIERRE: >> SPEAKER: TO DATE IT MAY HAVE EXPIRE BUT DID THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT REVERTS TO ITS PRIOR ZONING. IT STAYS IN PLACE A ZONED PUD AND IN ORDER TO USE THAT PUD, SPHUL, YOU HAVE TO REVIVE IT, IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT IT WAY, BY MODIFYING THAT PUD, BUT IT DURNS AUTOMATICALLY LOSE THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AS A MATTER

OF LAW. >> DR. HILSENBECK: BUT THEY'RE NOT 95,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL CURRENTLY ASSOCIATED

WITH THIS SITE. >> SPEAKER: THERE ARE BECAUSE, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE PUD EVEN THOUGH IT'S EXPIRED, THAT IS WHAT ENTITLEMENTS ARE ON THAT PROPERTY AT THIS POINT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. AND I DON'T OBJECT TO THAT GOING IN THERE ACTUALLY. SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

HOWEVER, 60-FOOT TALL APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN THERE? WHERE IS THE NEAREST 60S FOOT TALL STRUCTURE TO THAT?

>> SPEAKER: THE RECENTLY APPROVED 2020 I STATE ROAD 16 PUD AT INMAN AND STATE ROAD 16 IS 55 FEET.

THAT WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO THAT.

THIS PROJECT, AND LET'S POP TO SEE, IT'S APPROPRIATE GIVEN THIS

SITE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU'RE GOING TO SHOW THE LINE OF SIGHT AGAIN?

>> SPEAKER: YES. I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD BE

QUICKER IF THEY GET TO IT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M NOT SO MUCH INTERESTED IN THAT LINE OF SIGHT ACROSS THE 23 THRFL EXTENSION. I'M MORE INTERESTED ALONG FOUR MILE ROAD OR STATE ROAD 16. 60-FOOT STRAWSM THERE IS -- I FEEL LIKE SIEMENTING HERE IN DUVAL COUNTY, NOT IN ST. JOHNS, AND THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE LIMITS THERE.

THAT SEEMS WAY OUT OF LINE TO ME AND NOT COMPATIBLE WITH

SURROUNDING USES AT ALL. >> SPEAKER: DR. HILSENBECK, WITH STRICT TO THAT, FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THIS PROPERTY IS MIXED USE DISTRICT WHICH ALLOWS UP TO 13 UNITS PER ACRE, AND WITH THAT PERMISSION, IF YOU WILL, WITH THAT PERMITTED DENSITY, WOULD YOU AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME THERE WAS MULTI-FAMILY GOING THERE, AND ALSO THE MEASURE OF COMPATIBILITY, PER SE, IS LOOKING AT AGAIN THE BUFFERING, THE DISTANCE SEPARATION, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT LINDSEY IS SHOWING YOU ON THE SCREEN WITH THE SETBACKS, THE GREEN SPACE, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH 6 BUFFERS, ALL OF THE THINGS SHE'S SHOWING YOU ARE WHAT IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND THAT'S A GREAT SPIN ON IT, BUT 60-FOOT TALL BUILDINGS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE, IN MY OPINION.

THAT'S MY STATEMENT HERE, THAT THEY'RE NOT COMPATIBLE IN THIS

AREA. >> SPEAKER: ALONG FOUR MILE

SPECIFICALLY? >> DR. HILSENBECK: FOUR MILE, STATE ROAD 16. HOLMES BOULEVARD, FOR EXAMPLE, JUST TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THAT. SO THOSE ARE SOME CONCERNS, .

BUT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, AND YOU KNEW I WAS GOING TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I TOLD YOU I WOULD.

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>> SPEAKER: YES. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO HERE'S READING FROM THE APPLICATION. IN ACCORD AN WITH THE APPLICATION AND CONCURRENCY DETERMINATION, CURRENTLY IN REVIEW, APPLICANTS SEEKS CONCURRENCY APPROVAL FOR DEVELOPMENT OF 405 MID-RISE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIALES PLATED TO GENERATE 1885 TRIPS, DAILY TRIPS, AND THEN 1:58 P.M.

PEAK HOUR BASED UPON CURRENT ROADWAY STATUS WITHIN THE FOUR MILE RADIUS INCLUDING TRIPS FROM PENDING CONE CURRENCY APPLICATION, THE FOLLOWING RED ROADWAY SEG MGHTS CURRENTLY PROJECTED TO BE ADVERSELY IMPACTED.

YOU SHOWED THOSE, MS. HAGA, YOU DEFINITELY SHOWED THOSE.

THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT LINKS. I COULD READ THOSE OUT, BUT THERE'S A VERY NICE MAP IN THE PACKETTEST SHOWING THOSE OOD VERSELY IMPACTED SEGMENTS. SO IT SAYS ADVERSELY IMPACTED SEG MGHTS ORE THOSE ROADWAY SEG PTS FINTSDZ A FOUR MILE RADIUS THAT IS OVER 100 FIRST CAPACITY BASED ON TRAFFIC PLUS IMPENDING CONCURRENCY TRARVEG AND ARE PROJECTED BY TRAFFIC AT 1% OR GREATER. SO YOU'RE RIGHT IN BETWEEN FOUR MILE THAT HAS THAT ISSUE FROM HOLMES BOULEVARD UP TO STATE ROAD 16. STATE ROAD 16 RIGHT ALONG YOUR NORTHERN BOUNDARY, HOLMES BOULEVARD, ALL OF THOSE, YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY ADVERSELY IMPACTED ROAD SEGMENTS, AND YOU DID POINT OUT THAT YOUR PROPORTIONATE FIERE SHARE BECAUSE ALL ARE ADVERSELY IMPACTING THESE ROADS WAS GOING TO BE 1,156,336. THAT'S FROM THE APPLICATION MATERIALS. YOU MAY HAVE CHANGED THAT SLIGHTLY. BUT THAT'S BRAND NEW TO ME TODAY. I WAS GOING ON WHAT I REED AND PRINTED OUT FROM THE APPLICATION.

SO YOU'VE GOT 1.1 MILLION AND -- BUT THE IMPACTED ROADWAY COMMITMENTS, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE ESTIMATED IMPROVEMENT COSTS ARE FOR THESE FIVE SEG MGHTS HAVE NUMBER ONE, NO COMMITMENTS, NO COMMITMENTS, THE INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENT UP THERE BY I-95, INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENT.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO DO THAT MUCH, IN MY OPINION.

THE NEXT ONE, NO COMMITMENTS. THE NEXT ONE, THE FIFTH ONE, NO COMMITMENTS. SO THERE'S NO COMMITTED FUNDING FOR A TOTAL HAVE $55,014,614, AND I REALLY WISH THE STAFF, WHEN THEY PUT THIS TABLE IN THERE WANT THEY'D ADD UP THE ESTIMATED IMPROVEMENT COSTS. YOU ALWAYS ADD UP THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE BUT THAT'S NEVER ADDED UP.

IT TAKES MIA MINUTE TO ADD NOSE BUT IT WOULD BE MICE TO HAVE THOSE ADDED UP. SO THAT'S OVER $55 MILLION IN NEED WITH NO COMMITMENTS AND YOU'RE COMING UP WITH $1.1 MILLION, A LITTLE OVER THAT, WHICH IS ABOUT 2% OF THE NEED TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME.

I DON'T SEE THESE ROAD UPGRADES HAPPENING ANY TIME SOON, EVEN WITH YOUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE COMMITMENT, AND I JUST THINK IT'S -- IT'S UNFATHOMABLE TO ME WHY WE WOULD APPROVE THIS WHEN WE'VE GOT ADVERSELY IMPACTED ROAD SEGMENTS TO YOUR NORTH, TO YOUR SOUTH, TO YOUR SOUTHEAST, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE REMEDIED ANY TIME SOON.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE 312 EXTENSION LATER.

I PLAN TO BRING THAT UP AGAIN LATER.

BUT THOSE ARE A MAJOR CONCERN TO ME.

SPFNLTS AND, DR. HILSENBECK, JUST TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU JUST SAID, AND I WANT TO TAKE A STAB AT FROM IT A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE AND THEN LINDS AND PERHAPS TOM CAN TAKE A MORE TECHNICAL STAB AT IT, BUT FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU PUT THIS MUCH THOUGHT INTO IT AND YOU ARE ALWAYS CONSISTENT IN YOUR POSITIONS ON THESE THINGS. SO I'M GOING TO REMAIN CONSISTENT IN MY POSITION, WHICH IS, ONE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS PROPERTY ALREADY HAS A MIXED USE DISTRICT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, SO WE'RE NOT IN THE IND POINT I'VE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT PER SE REQUIRES A PUBLIC BENEFIT UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE'RE ALSO DEALING WITH TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION AND TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY WHICH ARE CREATURES OF FLORIDA STATUTE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO FLORIDA STATUTE TELLS US THAT IF WE ARE PUTTING CARS ON AN ALREADY IMPACTED ROAD OR, INTO MY VERNACULAR OR IN THE LAW'S VERNACULAR, DEFICIENT ROAD, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE STOP IT. MEANS THAT WE PROVIDE

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AND THAT'S WHAT MS. HAGA HAS GONE OVER WITH YOU, IS THIS PROJECT WILL PAY NOT ON A PROPORTIONATE SHARE AS REQUIRED BY LAW BUT ALSO ADDITIONAL ROAD YARTSZ THAT IMPACT FEES THAT ARE RADAR BY NOT ONLY STATE LAW BUT THE COUNTY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND SO THAT IS WHAT IS REQUIRED AT THE POINT OF A REZONING OF PROPERTY UNDER THE LAW.

AND SO IF YOU WANT TO ADD ONTO THAT.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S GREAT. SO WHAT WE LIKE TO STITCH TOGETHER IS THAT ELEMENT OF WHAT YOU WERE STAYING FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING, RIGHT SNR SO ROADWAYS WILL LET TO GET CITY EFFICIENT. WE DIDN'T USE GROWTH MANAGEMENT TOOLS TO KEEP UP WITH THE FUNDING OR THAT LEVEL HAVE EXPERIENCE WE SET. WE EXPERIENCED THE RECESSION FROM 2008 SO HERE WE ARE. HOW DO WE UTILIZE THAT TOOL? WE GO THROUGH OUR PROPORTION AT FAIR SHARE ANALYSIS AND WE SAY WHERE ARE MONEYS BE CAN BE USED IN THIS NETWORK SO THAT WE GET THE SEE RELIEF FROM THAT. THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU OUR OUR EARS IN BOLD HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND THOSE DOLLARS HAVE BEEN COLLECTED OR CAN BE PAID TO THE COUNTY AND HOW THEY CAN BE FUNNELED INTO IMPROVEMENTS. SO WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE INTERCHANGE BROOVMENT THAT YOU SEE THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S COMPLETE.

SO SHOULD WE LOOK, THEN, AT THE IMPROVEMENTS TO STATE ROAD 16? THE EXISTING TRAFFIC TODAY, OUR EXPERIENCE, WE DO NOT HAVE THE FAILURES THAT WE SEE ON STATE ROAD 16.

WHEN WE ACCOUNT FOR THE COMMITTED TRAFFIC, THE COUNTY HAS ISSUED A FINAL CON SURS QUURNSY FOR AND THE PLIC PAYS THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE THAT'S WHEN WE SEE DEFICIENT ROADWAYS SO MY NOT STOPPING, COLLECTING THAT REPORT.

FAIR SHARE WE CAN GET IN IT LINE.

THAT'S STATE ROAD 16. SO KNOW WHAT ON THE SALES TAX INFRASTRUCTURE SUGGESTED LIST OF IMPROVEMENT, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE THE WESTBOUND TURN LANE ONTO FOUR MILE ROAD, THIS PROJECT WOULD RESERVE 20-FOOT OF RIGHT-OF-WAY ALONG FOUR MILE SO THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING, THOSE STEPS, SAVING THOSE DOLLARS, BUYING FROM THE PLOT OWNER FOR THAT AS WELL AS THAT $2.9 MILLION AND THE IMPACT FEE PAYMENT COULD GO TOWARD THAT IS STATED IMPROVEMENT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

WE KNOW THAT IN THAT TIS EXISTING SENSE WE'RE NO INTERNING THAT TOTAL FARE FELLOW YOUR WHICH IS WHETHER WE LOOK AT COMMITTED WHICH IS WHAT OUR RULINGS HAVE TO SAY SO WE HAVE THOSE DOLLARS UP IN PLACE. I WANT TO CALL THOMAS UP TO WALK

THROUGH WHAT -- >> DR. HILSENBECK: CAN I ASK SOME QUESTIONS BEFORE SOMEBODY ELSE COMES UP? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE THAT YOU HAD UP THERE, I GUESS IT WAS THE 2.7 MILLION OR -- IF YOU CAN KEEP GOING BACK.

RIGHT THERE. THAT'S GOOD.

RIGHT THERE. YOU HAD YOUR TOTAL COMMITMENTS WERE GOING TO BE 2.7 BUT BUT WE STILL HAVE $55 MILLION IN NON-COMMITTED, ON THAT SIDE OF I-95.

LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT EAST OF 95, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BASED ON THIS CHART AND THE MAP AND SO FORTH.

>> SPEAKER: SO DWERN. >> DR. HILSENBECK: LET EMPLOYEE POINT OUT THIS PUNCH YOU HAVE ADLER CREEK AND GRAND OAKS AND YOU HAVE GRAND OAKS THE $15 MILLION.

THAT'S FOR WIDENING ON THE WEST SIDE OF I-95, IS IT NOT?

>> SPEAKER: CORRECT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: NOT ON THE EAST SIDE. AND ADLER CREEK, SAME THING,

RIGHT? >> YES.

>> SPEAKER: ADLER CREEK IS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTING A PORTION

OF 229. >> SPEAKER: WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO FOCUS, DR. LINLS, ON NUMBER 2 AND 4 AS FAR AS DOLLARS THAT WOULD BE IN THE SAY IT SAME STUD I HERE.

MAP DOESN'T SHOW THE FOUR-MILE AREA.

IT'S TO SHOW HOW PROJECTS ARE PROOFED, WHERE THEY ARE AND IF PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHAVE SCHAUER REVIEW PROCESS.

>> SPEAKER: THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT STILL CAME UP WITH FIVE AREAS. THEY SHOWED NO COMMITMENTS OTHER THAN THAT INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT, SO I'M GOING TO BASE ON IT WHAT WAS IN STAFF REPORT.

LET ME POINT OUT SOMETHING. THIS IS OUT OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT'S POLICY A.1.3.11. AND IT SAYS, AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT DOING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT HERE, BUT IT SAYS, "WHEN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REZONING, OR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION IS CONSIDERED, THE COUNTY SHALL ENSURE COMPATIBILITY OF ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING LAND USES." SO IT MENTIONS SPECIFICALLY REZONING.

AND THEN IT SAYS DOWN BELOW, "A REZONING REQUEST MAY BE APPROVED ONLY UPON DETERMINING THAT THE APPLICATION AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED ESTABLISH THAT ALL THE PROPOSED, PERMITTED USES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH CONFORMING LAND USES LOCATED ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES." THEN IT GOES DOWN TO 2 HERE.

IT SAYS, "A REZONING REQUEST SHALL NOT BE APPROVED IF THE

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PLAN REQUESTS. >> SPEAKER: WELL, AND LET'S START WITH TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE, COMPATIBILITY HAS A DIFFERENT DEFINITION UNDER THE LAW AND DOES NOT -- COMPAT A BILL DEALS WITH HOW A PROPOSED USE OF PROPERTY BLENDS INTO THE

SURROUNDING AREA. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'LL WHRI BRING UP YOU THE 60-FOOT HEIGHT AGAIN SPINCHTS I KNOW BUT THAT DOESN'T DEAL WITH TRAFFIC. COMPATIBILITY IS A SEPARATE ANALYSIS HAS ALWAYS ALLOWED BY LAW IN ANY REZONING.

YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE THE PROPOSED USE'S COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. THAT'S A DIFFERENT.

THING THAN TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION WHICH AGAIN IS A CREATURE OF STA CHIEWRT, MEANING CONCURRENCY, AND ALSO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, AND WE WILL AGREE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU ON WHETHER OR NOT -- WELL, AND I SAY RESPECTFULLY BECAUSE YOU'RE POINTING OUT A DEFICIT THAT WAS CREATED OVER THE LAST 30 OR 40 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHY THE COUNTY COMMISSION IS PROPOSING A 1 CENT SALES TAX JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE WHO LIST OF HERE AND HAS LIVED HERE FOR THE LAST 20 AND 30 AND 40 YEARS HAS YOU'D BE THE TO DEFICIT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT THAT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF APPLYING THE LAW TO A REZONING APPLICATION, BECAUSE APPLYING THE LAW TO A REZONING APPLICATION SAYS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, OKAY, WHAT IS CONE CURRENCY.

CONCURRENCY IS PROVIDED REPORT. SHARE DOLLARS AND RESERVING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. SO WHAT LINDSEY HAS GONE OVER YOU IS HOW THIS PROJECT IS COMPLYING WITH THE LAW.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I SEE TWO COMPATIBILITY ISSUES.

NUMBER ONE, THE 60-FOOT TALL APARTMENTS, WHICH I DON'T THINK ARE COMPAT INLAND IN THE AREA GIVEN WHAT'S YOU AT THERE NOW.

COMPATIBLE IN THE AREA GIRCH WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW.

AND THE FIVE IMPACTED ADVERSE ROAD SEGMENTS, THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FUNDING WITH YOUR PROPORTIONALITY FAIR SHARE OR NOT TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT. NOW, IF THE SALES TAX REFERENDUM PASSES IN NOVEMBER, THAT MONEY IS MADE AVAILABLE, MIGHT BE A GREAT THAT I'M TO CONSIDER THIS WHEN STATE ROAD 312 EXTENSION IS PUT THROUGH THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S SCHEDULED TO COME ALONG THAT EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

WHEN THAT'S IN THERE, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER CIRCUMSTANCE THAT COULD BE UTILIZED TO LOOK AT THIS.

BUT WHEN I READ THESE COMP PLAN STATEMENTS LIKE I JUST READ YOU, THE 8.1.3.11, I FEEL THAT WE'RE VIOLATING OUR COMP PLAN BY APPROVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THIS IS MY FEELING FROM READING THESE THINGS. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN I'LL BE QUIET FOR A WHILE.

ARE THESE UNITS GOING TO BE RENTED OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE

SOLD TO PEOPLE? >> SPEAKER: RENTAL UNITS,

CORRECT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU WERE SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO BE INCENTIVES TO GET PEOPLE THAT

INTO HOME OWNERSHIP. >> NO, RETO REDUCE THE BARRIER

INTO HOUSING. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I THOUGHT YOU TEAL SAID HOME OWNER SHOIP A SLIDE.

>> SPEAKER: NO, TO GIVE THE SALES PRICE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS THAT'S A COMPARETORY FOR A RENTAL.

>> DR. HILSENBECK:, 565 IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I KNOW ALL THAT. BUT I THINK YOU SAID HOME OWNERSHIP SO THAT'S WHAT MADE ME THINK TO ASK IN QUESTION BECAUSE

NEWS AT NOT AS HOME OWNERSHIP. >> SPEAKER: NO, THAT WAS A

COMPARATOR IS ON SAY -- >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND THEN I DO HAVE A FOLLOW-UP ON THAT AND THAT IS YOUR INCENTIVES HAD TO ALL PIECE THESE PEOPLE LIKE BURKE EXPHART SCHOOL DISTRICT AND GRUMMOND AND SO FORTH TO GET PEOPLE INTO THESE.

THEY'RE PRETTY PLIERN YOU. SAID YOU MIGHT WAIVE THE APPLICATION FEE AND THE FIRST MONTH'S RENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT AFTER THAT, AND I'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION TO OTHER PEOPLE ON THEY ARE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ON DESCROOD DESCROOD SUSTAIN, MADISON PLACE WAS ONE AND THEN TO THE WEST, NORTHWEST OF Y'ALL, WHAT THEY SAID AFTERWARDS ONE WAS PUBLICALLY, ONE YOU WAS OUT IN THE FOYER.

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SO EVEN FOR THESE PREFERRED COMMERCE, THEY MIGHT GET ONE MONTH RENT AND AN APPLICATION FEE WAIVED? I MEAN, AND THAT'S IT, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S MARKET RATE? I THINK IT'S INDIES INJENN JUST TO SAY THERE'S ALL THESE PRERCHED INCENTIVES FOR THESE PEOPLE.

THAT'S MY POINT. >> SPEAKER: A A GOOD

INCENTIVE. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: BUS U. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO KIEV ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MR. PIERRE: YES, SIR, WE HAVE SEVEN SPEAKER CARDS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHO IS FIRST? >> MR. PIERRE: BILL THOMPSON.

>> SPEAKER: I BLIF AT STLE 71 MISSION TRACE CRIEF.

WOULD YOU FIND EVER PIPELINE IF THAT LAST DRAWINGS WAS UP THERE?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I AM NOT THE CHAIR.

HE JUST WALKED OUT. >> SPEAKER: WHAT I WANT TO GO OVER, ALL THESE STUDIES AND ALL THIS IS REALLY NICE AND PROBABLY A LOT OF FUN, BUT WE LIVE HERE FOR QUITE A BIT.

WE MOVED FROM THE BEACH AREA. BUT I WAS AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING. I ASKED SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THEY REFERRED TO. THAT SIGHT OF LINE DRAWING IS LAUGHABLE. I MEAN, IT'S A CARTOON THAT THEY PUT UP THERE REALLY BECAUSE I LIVE RIGHT OVER THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, WHAT THEY'RE CALLING A MANMADE BORROW PIT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE OTHER SIDE IS ACTUALLY A SPRING FED LAKE AND IT SORT OF WORKS TOGETHER AS A BIG LAKE AREA.

BUT -- AND I GUESS THAT WASN'T WHAT I'M IN.

I'M IN THE ONE WITH THE TRIANGLE.

BECAUSE THEY INDICATED ON THAT DRAWING, WE HAD ONE SIMILAR TO IT, BUT THIS HAS BEEN CLEANED UP A LOT, AND THE ONE UP HERE, THE SIGHT OF LINE DRAWING IS WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO, I GUESS, BUT THOSE TREES ARE SHOWING OVER THERE, IF THEY'RE PLANNING ON LEAVING THE LINE OF LARGE TREES THAT ARE OVER THERE, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT THIS HAS BEEN CLEANED UP RIGHT THERE.

YOU SEE THE GREENERY ARMING THE EDGES.

THAT WASN'T ON THE ORIGINAL. THEY SHOWED THE FULL BORROW PIT AREA AND LAKE THAT THEY WERE LEAVING, SO NOW THIS IS CHANGED AND CLEANED UP. I HAPPEN TO BE OVER HERE ON MISSION TRACE ON THE VERY TOP ONE.

AND IS WE HAVE A VERY BEAUTIFUL VIEW.

AND SO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, A 60-FOOT BUILDING IS GOING TO BE SEEN OVER THERE IF THERE'S NOT THAT LINE OF TREES LEFT THERE AND THE GREEN SPACE THEY WERE REFERRING TO.

AND THIS BOTTOM ONE-STORY BUILDING, IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT BEHIND LITERALLY THESE OTHER HOUSES.

THERE ARE I THINK 11 ACROSS HERE THAT IT AFFECTS LITERARY THE BACKYARD BECAUSE THESE ARE SMALL.

SO -- SORRY. I'M TRYING TO MAKE SENSE HERE A LITTLE BIT. BUT THIS IS ALSO THE ADDITION OF THIS ONE. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE MADISON IS LESS THAN A MILE, RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PUBLIX.

THAT'S BACK TO REZONING AGAIN I THINK IN A COUPLE WEEKS.

BUT HERE THAT ONE'S 300 OR 400 WALMARTS.

THIS IS ANOTHER 400 APARTMENTS. I THINK THEIR PREFERENCE WAS TO PUT ALL APARTMENTS, NOT USE THE COMMERCIAL SPACE.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID YOU'VE GOT TO BE ADDING 100 CARS -- I MEAN, EXCUSE ME DR. 400 OR 500 CARS A DAY AT EACH ONE OF THOSE IF THEY MAX THAT OUT. THAT IS IMPACTING THIS.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO ENVISION FOUR MILE ROAD IS A FOUR LANE HIGH I HIGHWAY HERE. JUST LIKE KENTON MORRIS ON GOES INTO HOLMES. RIGHT NOW THREES ARE VERY BUSY ROADS. I THINK THEY ZAIRE THIS FOUR MILE ROAD DOESN'T IMPACT MISSION TRACE, IT ACTUALLY DOES.

ANYONE GOING DOWN 16 WHICH THEY'RE INDICATING THIS IS GOING TO MAKE TRAFFIC VERY NICE, HALF THE PEOPLE ALREADY URN TURN DOWN FOUR MILE ROAD AND WHETHER THEY TURN FOUND DOWN FOUR MILE AND GO BACK TO HOMES HAVE, THEY'LL GO BACK INTO TOWN NEAR SEBASTIAN RIVER -- I GUESS I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YOU'RE OUT OF TIME, MR. THOMPSON.

THANK YOU. 34.

>> MR. PIERRE: JOE MCANARNEY. THEN TRANCE OVERLEYY. TER TERRA.

67. >> SPEAKER: I DON'T MCANARNEY 1055 BLACKBERRY LANE. I WILL MAKE THREE OBSERVATIONS.

MANY QUESTIONS AND THREE RECOMMENDATIONS.

HERE READING THROUGH THAT APPLICATION, AND I CAN TELL YOU FIRST OF ALL THAT ASSAYS RETIRED AORTIC, ARCHITECT THREES ARE

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MY GOSH, THEY MAY HAVE PLEFT A FEW INCHES OFF TO THE SIDE BUT NOT ACRES AND NOT MANY FEET. IT SHOWS BUILDINGS, PARKING, SETBACKS, AMENITIES, OPEN SPACE. THESE ARE REALLY QUITE DETAILED IN THEIR DRAWING, AND HERE YOU SEE A FIRST OPENING WITH BUILDINGS 1 THROUGH 4 AND THE RESIDENTIAL OPTION THAT WOULD BUILD THAT OUT AS RESIDENTIAL. AGAIN, THESE ARE EXCELLENT AND DETAILED DRAWINGS. SEE I HAD IT IN MIND TO SAY, OKAY, HOW ABOUT IF I COUNT PARKING SPACES? AND AGAIN APOLOGIES. THIS IS A ROUGH UNIT FROM THIS AND CERTAINLY ETM CAN TELL US EXACTLY WHAITSZ, BUT 7099 SPARES REQUIRED USING THE APPLICANT EAST 1.75 FACTOR.

WHEN I COUNT PARKING BUILDINGS 1 THROUGH 5, 323 SPACES.

WHEN I COUNT THE REMAINING PARKING, THE AMENITY BUILDING AND 6 AND 7, 1146. GRAND TOTAL, 469 SPACES. IS 709.

SO THIS IS ISN'T EXCELLENT DRAWING THAT SOMEHOW SEEMS TO SHOW THAT MAYBE YOU CAN'T QUITE FIT EVERYTHING YOU'RE ASKING FOR ON THIS SITE. AGAIN, I WOULD DEFER TO ETM TO APPROVE THAT, BUT I'M JUST HERE TO POINT OUT THAT FROM EXCELLENT DRAWINGS THERE APPEARS TO BE A TREMENDOUS SHORTAGE.

AND IN FACT, IF YOU TAKE THE 469 SPACES ESTIMATED BY ACTUAL INTEREST COUN AND DIVIDE IT BOO THE APPLICANT E 1 .75 YOU COME OUT WITH 268 APARTMENTS, NOT 405& I ASK WHERE'S COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT? ON THAT RESIDENTIAL BUILD-OUT, IT'S FULLY OAK PIED BY RESIDENTIAL WITH 469 SPACES MY GOSH, DELETE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR BALANCE THE REQUEST WITH AN ACTUAL HOLDING CAPACITY.

AND I THINK THAT'S IN PART WHERE THIS BOARD NEEDS TO COME AT THIS FROM. SHOW US WHAT YOU CAN PREAL HOLD.

IT APPEARS THAT THESE REQUESTS ARE TOO HIGH.

ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSAL IS GROOMED FOR WAIVERS BUT NOT GROOMED FOR INCOMPATIBLE ADJOINING USES, AND SO IF YOU RECOMMEND THIS APPROVAL WITHOUT SCANNING DOWN TO PAGE 72, YOU ARE ALSO APPROVING A BAIL BOND AGENCIES, ALCOHOL REHAB CENTERS, PSYCHIATRIC CARE AND TREATMENT FACILITIES GOING NEXT TO THIS FAMILY AREA. SO I ASK THIS IN CLOSING, CONSIDER A CONTINUANCE REQUEST, HAVE THE APPLICANT APPROVE WHAT THIS SITE CAN HOLD, REQUEST REVISED PERMITTED USES.

THOSE ARE WERE ONEROUS USES THAT THEY HAVE NOT TAKEN OUT OR RECOMMEND DENIAL TODAY IF THE APPLICANT CANNOT ADEQUATELY EXPLAIN REAL SITE HOLDING CAPACITY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MR. MCANARNEY.

>> MR. PIERRE: MR. O'LEARY. >> SPEAKER: I NEED A CLICKER.

OKAY. MY NAME IS TERRY O'LEARY LIVE AT 3058 MISSION TRACE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND SCCTD FOOT TALL APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND THE GROUND WATERED.

STATE ROAD 16 IS ALREADY APPROACHING MAXIMUM TRAFFIC LEVELS FOR WHICH IT WAS DESIGNED.

IT'S OKAY NOW, BUT THERE WAS A 240 UNIT COMPLEX, APARTMENT COMPLEX STATE ROAD 16 AND I-95 ALREADY APPROVED.

WHEN THAT IS BUILT, IT WILL START BEING OVERDESIGN LIMITS.

238 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX WAS PROPOSED FOR STATE ROAD 16 KENTON MORRISON ROAD. IF APPROVED, THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX WE WERE TOLD AT THE TIME WOULD YIELD AN ESTIMATED 1600 CAR TRIPS PER DAY ONTO NEARBY ROADS.

THIS IS A 405 UNIT. NOW, IF I USE THE SAME RATIO, THIS MEANS 2700 CAR TRIPS PER DAY COMING OUT OF THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT IS BEING PROPOSED NOW.

OH, BUT WE'VE ALSO GOT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THROWN ON TOP OF THAT THAT HAS SHOPS, STORES, OFFICES WITH EMPLOYEES AND CUSTOMERS THAT WOULD EASILY BRING IT TO OVER 4,000 CAR TRIPS PER DAY COMING AND GOING. I HAVE PEERNL WITNESSED THE RESULTS OF THREE MAJOR ACCIDENTS ON STATE ROAD 16 DOCUMENTED WSH W. BE DOCUMENTED A FOURTHOVER A TWO-YEAR SPAN.

THAT'S ONE MAJOR DISERCHT SIX MONTHS.

AND ONE MAJOR ACCIDENT EVERY SIX MONTHS.

I KNOW THERE ARE OTHERS. IN FACT WE HAD ONE AT KENTON MORRISON ROAD AND STATE ROAD 16 LESS THAN A WEEK AGO.

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ALSO I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT MY NEIGHBOR -- I'M GOING TO ROIFNT TIME WITH THIS. I'VE BEEN TOLD SINCE MISSION TRACE EXHIBITS ONTO KENTON MORRISON RADIOED AND THEIR EXITING ONTO FOUR MILE ROAD AND STATE ROAD 16 IT DOESN'T AFFECT US. SO WRONG.

I LEAVE OUR MISSION TRACE ON KENTON MORRISON UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO THE COLLEGE, TURN RIGHT, TURN LEFT.

TURN OF RIGHT YOU GO TO FOUR MILE ROAD PROOP UNDER THE LYFT YOU GO TO STATE ROAD 16. IT'S GOING TO AFFECT US.

WHEN THE PEOPLE IN THESE APARTMENTS WANT TO BE GROCERY SHOPPING, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? MISSION MISSION SHOPS PUBLIXY STORE.

YES, ALL THIS TRAFFIC WILL AFFECT US.

INCLUDES -- I'M GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME -- WETLAND.

I'VE ALREADY TOLD THE COUNTY ABOUT THIS.

THEY'RE AWARE OF THE SO I'M GOING TRUST THE COUNTY TO LOOK INTO IT. THINK TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLE GROUND -- AB UNDERGROUND STREAM FITTING INTO THIS, AND ALSO THERE'S OBJECTION TO THE 60-FOOT TALL BUILDINGS.

I THANK YOU, AND I ASK FOR ANY AND ALL OF THIS PLEASE DENY.

>> MR. PIERRE: LOSLY KEYS. -- LESSLY KEYES.

>> SPEAKER: LESLIE KEYES, 207 MIX SPICIALG OF I TALK REALLY FAST BUT THE PUBLIC NOTICE THAT WENT UP IN JULY, THEY NICE ORANGE SIGNS APPARENTLY WEREN'T POSTED.

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN UP MORE THAN HALF THE MONTH.

IN BETWEEN I DID NOTIFY FREES A BISHOP ON MONDAY AND THEY REPOSTED ONE ORANGE SIGN. IT'S OH FOUR MILE.

BUT I'M GUESSING THE IF WE HAD A SECOND SIGN ON STATE ROAD 16 YOU WOULD HAVE MORE PEOPLE HERE WITH INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT.

I THINK YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT.

URBANIZED AREA. YOU SAW THIS WHEN I WAS HERE FOR MADISON, ST. AUGUSTINE, AND THIS IS WHAT IS CONSIDERED AN URBANIZED AREA FROM A CENSUS TRACT MAP.

THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT HAS DEFINED THAT.

THIS IS NOT AN URBANIZED AREA. BY THE WAY IT IS NOT WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS TESTIFY CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

THAT STOPS AT MASTERS DRIVE ABOUT A MALE PLIEL TO OUR EAST.

WE'RE DOING SCALE HERE. THE TOP HERE IS IF COUNTY UTILITIES BUILDINGS WHERE THE PUBLIC MEETING WAS.

IRONICALLY AT THE SAME TIME WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND BECAUSE I WAS SPEAKING NATIONALLY ON MEANINGFUL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, HOW GET PEOPLE TO YOUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS IF YOU WITH AN THEIR INPUT. THE WOODED SIT AT THE BOTTOM YOU CAN SEE IS THE NICE TINY WHITE SIGN, THE LEASE THE PUBLIC NOTICE SIGN FOR A THE COMMUNITY MEETING.

THERE WAS -- WHEN I TOOK THIS, THERE WAS NO OTHER PUBLIC NOTICE SIGN ON THE SITE. SCALE AGAIN, YOU ARE GETTING WHAT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET IN THE SMALL NEIGHBORHOODS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ON FOUR MILE.

THAT'S UPPER LEFT. MISSION TRACE PICTURES UPPER RIGHT. VILLAGES OF SEA LOY AND IS AN BASTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SO AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THE SCALE OF WHAT WE HAVE ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS PROPERTY.

ALSO ONE BLOCK FURTHER EAST A KENTON MORRISON, WOODLAWN, STATE ROAD 16, THE SAME LEVEL OF SCALE.

WE'RE INTO THE ANYWHEREELL NEAR WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

THIS IS OUR LITTLE TINY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS IS SOME OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS NEAR THE SHOPS THAT ARE -- AND ALL THE TREES THAT I KNOW ARE PROPOSED TO BE CLEAR CUT, BUT THEY'RE STILL THERE RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS WHAT IS PROPOSED BY FERBER.

THE 60-FOOT TALL BUILDINGS, THERE ARE TWO OF THEM PROPOSED.

ONE IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE HOUSES A MISSION TRACE DRIVE.

THE CUL-DE-SAC, THAT'S THE ONE IF YOU WERE LOOKING AN "L" IN THE SHAPE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, IT WOULD BE THE BOTTOM OF THE "L." THE THOIR FOUR-STORY 60-FOOT TALL IS UP CLOSEST TO STATE ROAD 16 SO WE ARE ALSO OBJECTING TO THE HEIGHT.

THIS IS NOT WITHIN THE SCALE OF WHAT WE HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR US.

I THANK DR. HILSENBECK FOR THE COMMENTS.

IT DURS NOT FEEL LIKE ST. JOHNS. WE DON'T REALLY LIVE IN DUVAL OR SOUTH FLORIDA, FOR THAT MATTER. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MR. PIERRE: MARJORIE

MARTIN. >> SPEAKER: MARJORIE MARTIN.

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IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHEN YOU COMPARE 2.44 TO 2.77. THE DIFFERENCE IN THE CALCULATION COMES TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN MISSION TRACE, SO IT'S THAT MUCH MORE IN FIGURING DENSITY FOR THIS PLACE.

SAME GOES FOR MADISON ST. AUGUSTINE.

AND I REALIZE THAT MADISON IS COMING BACK TO YOU THIS MONTH, SEPTEMBER 15TH, AND IT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT IF THIS HIGH DENSITY PLACE IS APPROVED TODAY, THEN MADISON SHOULD BE DENIED BECAUSE WE CANNOT HANDLE ALL THESE PEOPLE.

THAT'S ALMOST 2,000 ADDITIONAL PEOPLE IN THIS ONE LITTLE PLACE.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MR. PIERRE: RON BROWN. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

RON BROWN 71 SOUTH DIXIE HIGHWAY, ST. AUGUSTINE.

I'VE BEEN ASKED BY THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COLLEGE WHOM I REPRESENT AS THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL TO COME BEFORE YOU TODAY. THE TRUSTEES HAVE TWO CONCERNS, AND FRANKLY SPEAKING LIGHTER LAYER IN THE PROGRAM HAS ENABLED ME TO TAG ONTO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE EV SAID THEIR CONCERNS WITH TWO MOLD HOLD. FOLD.

ONE MR. HYMNALS DAWKDZ WAS THE DENSITY AND ITS INCONSISTENTY WFT DEVELOPMENT OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD PUF HEARD PRESENTATIONS THIS FROM OTHERS ALSO FROM MISSION TRACE WHO WERE DR. VERY DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY AS WELL AS THE MADISON DEVELOPMENT RIGHT ACROSS THERE KENTON MORRISON RADIOED SHOWING THESE CALL FALL BUILDINGS IS NOT WHAT IS COMONT IN NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE TRUSTEES ARE VERY CONCERNED THAT THIS WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN DEVELOPING THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE ONTARIO, HAVING COMPAT INLAND USES AND SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE ENABLED TO BE ABSORBED BY THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT UNDUE STRESS ON EVERYONE.

THE OTHER THING THE COLLEGE IS CONCERNED ABOUT IS VEHICULAR ACCESS THE TO CAMPUS. THE MADISON PROJECT HAS BEEN REFERENCED, AND EITHER COMING BACK HERE IN SEPTEMBER.

ALSO IT HAS BEEN REFERENCED. IT HAS SOME IMPACT ON EJT ROAD.

THE KETANJI IS VERY CONCERNED THAT KENTON MORRISON ROAD NEEDS TO BE FOUR-LANED. THE INGRESS AND E GRESSION FROM KENTON MORRISON IS. THERE'S GOING TO BE IMPACT ON FOUR MILE ROAD AS HAS BEEN SHOWN AND UP DOWN FOUR MILE.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS STATED, AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE CASE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT 312 IS GOING TO EMPTY ONTO FOUR MILE.

SO 312 NOT GOING TO BE A WAY IN OR OUT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO UP TO 16 TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM WHICH MEANS YOU MOOT HAVE TO GO BACK TO FOUR MILE OR GO DOWN TO KENTON MORRISON TO GET INTO THIS PROPERTY.

SO 312 HAS A SOLUTION BUT NOT THE VIEWINGS OF SOLUTION TO TE PROBLEM OF VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THIS SET OF PROJECTS.

SO THE TWO PROJECTS TOGETHER FROM THE COLLEGE EAST VIEWPOINT POSE DIFFICULTIES, AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT MADISON WHEN THEY CAME IN, GUESS WHAT THEY HAD? THEY STARTED OFF WITH 60-FOOT BUILDINGS.

AND I THINK YOU MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MAY RECALL THEY RETRENCHED A COUPLE OF TIMES AND YET THEY'RE COMING BACK HERE AGAIN AFTER DEFERRING A CHANCE TO APPEAR BEFORE THE COUNTY COMMISSION WITH THEIR PROJECT, THEY REDUCED THE BUILDING TO AT LEAST 45 FEET, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WOULD LOVE TO SEE HAPPEN, WHICH WOULD HELP REDUCE THAT LEVEL OF INTENSITY PLUS THE FACT THEY'RE PRETTY TALL AND CLOSE TO OUR CAMPUS AND WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT FROM OUR UNVIEWPOINT. I CAN IMAGINE THE MISSION TRACE PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY FEELING LIKE TRINITY CHURCH IN WALL STREET IF THEY GET ENOUGH TALL BUILDINGS AROUND THEM ON EITHER SIDE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ACCESS ROAD WITH STLE

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WE LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ACCESS DOWN KENTON MORRISON.

THAT NEEDS TO BE FOUR-LANED. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE REST OF THE COUNTY. THANK YOU.

>> MR. PIERRE: TIM JOHNSON. 6

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS TIM JOHNSON.

MY RESIDENCE IS 302 MISSION TRACE DRIVE.

MY WIFE AND I WERE THE FIRST PEOPLE TO BUY INTO MISSION TRACE IN 2008. WHEN WE MOVED IN, THERE WAS A PLAN TEG WITH STOKES TO ACTUALLY DEVELOP THE LAND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

THAT DISAPPEARED WHEN STOKE SOLD THE LAND FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 313. I'M AN ACADEMIC, SO I REALLY ENJOY THE CONCEPTUAL DISCUSSIONS HERE OF POSSIBILITIES IN FUTURE.

LET ME TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED TODAY WHEN I WAS LEAVING.

TRIED TO GET HERE. SO I EXITED MISSION TRACE TRYING TO GET ONTO ENGTD AND THE ONLY WAY I GOT INTO ENGTD IS BECAUSE THE BACKED UP TRAFFIC, SOMEONE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO STOP TO LET ME OUT, AND THEN I HAD TO NAVIGATE SOMEONE WHO WAS TRYING TO COME INTO THE COLLEGE. THAT HAPPENS EVERY DAY.

THEORETICAL DISCUSSIONS OF POSSIBLE MONEYS IN THE FUTURE HAVE NO BEARING ON THE ACTUAL REALITY OF MISSION TRACE AND COLLEGE STUDENTS, AND AT THE SAME TIME I WOULD REMIND PEOPLE THIS SAME DYNAMIC IS HAPPENING ON THE OTHER SIDE ON FOUR MILE RADIOED. PROOP THAT RUSH HOUR IS ALSO JAMMED. THIS PROJECT IN MY MIND AS AN YIEWRDZ, NOT AN EXPERT, SMUD BE DENIED.

IT IS IN NO WAY COMPATIBLE WITH OUR AREA.

TAKE A DRIVE. TAKE A WALK DOWN 16 FROM FOUR MILE ALL WITH A DOWN TO MASTERS. HOW MANY FOUR-STORY BUILDINGS WILL YOU SEE? HOW MANY BUILDINGS OF FOUR STORIES RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE ROAD? IT'S SIMPLY INCOMPATIBLE. I THINK ANYONE WHO JUST LIVES IN THIS AREA OR TAKES A MOMENT TO DRIVE OR WALK THAT AREA AND PRESENTED WITH THIS IMAGE SAYS, THAT SIMPLY DOESN'T BELONG.

THERE'S NO WAY THAT SOMEONE COULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE. ON TOP OF IT, THE TRAFFIC IS AN OBVIOUS ISSUE. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO POUR HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF MORE CARS ONTO A PLACE WHERE I CAN'T EVEN HARDLY GET ACROSS THE ROAD DURING THE DAY? IT'S A DANGEROUS AREA. STUDENTS ARE KNOWN TO BE EAGER.

I'M A PROFESSOR. THEY LAKE GETTING OFF THE CAMPUS AFTER LAST. THEY LIKE TO MOVE OUT.

SO THERE ARE STUDENTS COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT COLLEGE ALL THE TIME. WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT.

AND THEN THERE'S ALL PEOPLE COMING FROM THE NORTH WHO ARE WORKING, WHO ARE TRYING TO GET BACK DOWN KENTON MORRISON ROAD TO HOMES. I WOULD ASK YOU, WE KNOW DRIVING DOWN THE 16 THAT DEVELOPMENT IS A BIG ISSUE IN THIS COUNTY.

YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE BILLBOARDS.

I'M NOT IN ANY WAY AGAINST DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS COMPATIBLE AND IS SAFE, AND SO WITH THAT I ASK YOU TO PLEASE REJECT THIS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. DOES THAT CONCLUDE OUR SPEAKER

CARDS? >> MR. PIERRE: YES, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP AND

OFFER SOME REBUTTAL? >> SPEAKER: HOW ARE YOU? MY NAME IS SARAH AND I LIVE AT 367 MISSION TRACE.

MY BACKYARD IS LITERALLY THIS. I'M AT THE CUL-DE-SAC OF THIS WHOLE SITUATION I DID NOT SEE THAT SIGN.

>> MR. PIERRE: EXCUSE ME, MA'AM.

DID YOU FILL ON IT A SPEAKER CARD?

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET TO.

I HAVE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN. I AM SO BUSY.

I GOT A LETTER IN THE MAIL NOT EVEN FOUR DAYS AGO BUS BECAUSE THEY PUT IN IT MY NEIGHBOR'S MAILBOX.

THIS DIRECTLY AFFECTS LIE MY LIFE, WHERE LIVE, THIS IS IN MY BACK YARD YARD SO NO, I WASN'T ABLE TO TURN THOSE THINGS IN BECAUSE ONE I DIDN'T SEE THE HIGHWAY 16 AND TWO IT WASN'T

DLIFERREDZ TO MY MAILBOX. >> MR. MATOVINA: MA'AM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, YOU CAN SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD.

OKAY? >> SPEAKER: I CAN DOUGH THAT

NOW? >> MR. MATOVINA: YES, YOU MAY.

>> SPEAKER: CAN PI GO OVER THERE AND FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD? MY NAME IS SARAH GREEN LIVE AT 367 MISSION TRACE. MY HOUSE IS THE SUDDENLY CONTACT SO IT'S THE VERY BACK OF WHERE THIS IS AT.

IT'S REALLY HARD TO IMAGINE THAT THIS IS WITHIN THE DIAGRAM OF

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WON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT. THEY'LL ALL BE GONE, IT WILL ABSOLUTELY BE GONE. THIS COMPANY COMES IN AND BUYS THIS PROPERTY FOR $1 MILLION MAY BE, AND IT'S ALL WETLANDS.

IT IS ALL WETLANDS. I HAVE A LITTLE BOAT.

I HAVE A BOAT ACTUALLY IN MY BACKYARD BECAUSE I'M ABLE TO GO INTO THIS LAKE THAT IS SPRING FED AND I GO ALL THROUGHOUT HERE AND I HAVE WALKED. I'VE GOTTEN OUT OF PLIEL BOAT AND I HAVE WALKED FROM THAT SHORELINE TOO HIGHWAY 16 AND ITS MAYBE 70 FEET, MAYBE. SO FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF THESE BIG HUGE -- I MEAN WOULD BE YOU'RE STANDING HERE AND IF IT'S THIS OUTLINE RIGHT HERE, THAT IS LITERALLY ALL OF OUR BACKYARDS, THESE GIANT HIGH-RISES, AND NOW WHAT DO THEY DO WITH ALL THIS LAND? AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHY, IT IS ALL WETLANDS. THERE'S NO 33 ACRES EVER LAND.

THIS IS WETLANDS. THAT'S WHY THEY GOTIT DIRT CHEAP. SO WE'RE GOING COME IN HERE.

THEIR DWEAG TO FILL IN AQUIFERS, SPRING FED, ALL OF THIS STUFF ONCE AGAIN AND EVERYTHING JUST KEEPING GETTING BIGGER AND BERG.

I'M A BUSINESSWOMAN, I UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS BUT THEY HAVE TO BE DONE SMART. WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH SMART DEVELOPMENT? THIS ISN'T SMART.

THIS IS GREED. THERE'S NOTHING SMART ABOUT IT YOU. GET SOMETHING FOR $1 MILLION AND THEN GUERRE YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE MULT, MULTITUDE, MULT MILLIONS.

IR NEED WORKERS DOWNTOWN. I NEED WORKERS BAD.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FORWARD AFFORD WHAT THE HOUSING OF THIS IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO COST.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THIS AT ALL, AND THAT SUNSHINE BUS ROUTE DOESN'T GO HERE.

IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE NEAR IT. TALKING ABOUT BUILDING UP THE COMMUNITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE IS IF ALL THAT AND HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL, IT'S NO BENEFICIAL AT ALL, AND NOW WE HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE ON 95, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE ON 95 AND ANOTHER ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 95.

THOSE MAKE EVENMORE, THOSE MAKE MORE SENSE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALONG HIGHWAY 95. THIS IS NOT SNAI RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. NOW MY HOME SPREWELL IS JUST GARBAGE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE BACKYARD NOW.

NOW, IT'S MENTIONED -- THIS IS NOT HELPING INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR CITY. INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR CITY WOULD BE HELPING WOULD BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THIS IS UNS WA GEN NOTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

MARK RATE HOW LONG IS $1,800 FOR A TWO BEDROOM? MY PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD THAT. THE PEOPLE THAT WORK DOWNTOWNER GETTING AN AVERAGE PAYMENT OF MIDGE UP TO $12, $13, $14 IF THEY'RE LUCKY. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT GAIBILITY ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE NOT COMING TO ST. AUGUSTINE WHO CAN AFFORD $1,800 A MONTH WIN FIVE-MILE RANGE, AND THE TRAFFIC IS INSTAIN SANE ALREADY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO KEEP ADDING FRAFNG ON TOP OF IT? WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CITY. WE HAVE TO SAY NO.

WE HAVE TO SAY NO. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. NOW IT'S TIME FOR APPLICANT REBUTTAL. [INAUDIBLE]

>> SPEAKER: I'M POINTING THE WRONG DIRECTION.

I AM TECHNICALLY CHALLENGED. WHILE I'M TRYING TO GET IT TO GO BACK, WE DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY FOR FROM MISSION TRACE QUOMG AND MR. BROWN FROM ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COLLEGE COMING AND OFFERING COMMENTS TODAY AND WE ARE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO ADDRESS THEM ALL IF I CAN GET TO THE RIGHT SLIDE.

I'M GOING THE WRONG WAY NOW. >> SPEAKER: SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SITE AND OUR PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WE START TO BEGIN WITH THE SITE CONDITIONS ON WHERE IT'S LOCATED, THIS 33 ACRES. TO THE NORTH IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. IT'S STATE ROAD 16, TWO HUNDRED FEET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY, A FOUR LANE DIVIDED COLLECTOR ROADWAY, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT SETS THE TONE FOR THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT COULD TO APPEAR ON THE SITE.

THAT'S WHY WE ORIGINALLY SAW THE 95,000 SQUARE FEE OF WITH THE 45 HEEGHTD LIMIT SETTING THE TONE FOR THE EXISTING PUD.

YOU ALSO SEE ON THIS CONCEPT PLAN BROUGHT TO LIFE THAT GREEN LINE ALONG THE SITE WHICH IS THE STANDARD BY OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OUR LAND PLANNING PRINCIPLE THAT WE WOULD HAVE FOR RESIDENTIAL USED ALONG THESE COLLECTOR ROADWAYS TO STEP THAT BACK. SO THAT'S THAT SUBURBAN STYLE OF DESIGN IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE. WE HAVE LOCATED THAT ALONG STATE ROAD 16 THAT YOU SEE WITHIN THIS ARE.

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SO I'M SHOWING THE STORM WATER POND FOR THE ROADWAY NOT BE COMMINGLED WITH THE LAKE THAT'S ON THE SYSTEM NOW.

SO WE'RE GOING TO SEW A LITTLE BIT OF BEMPLING.

THAT'S THE GREEN OR THAT CHANGE THAT WE SAW.

BILL, THE GENTLEMAN FROM MISSION TRACE ASKED US ABOUT THAT.

HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE DRAINAGE BETWEEN STATE ROAD 3122 DRAINAGE FOR YOUR POND? NO, THE DISTRICT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE ON THEIR SIDE TO BERM IN THAT AND WE SHOW THE GREENING IN OF THAT AREA, SO THAT EXPLAINSCH WHAT QUESTION WHEN WE LEARNED AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING, TO BRING THAT TO LIFE. THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

IS THE LAKE OR THAT WATER FEATURE GOING TO REMAIN A BORROW PIT AS IT IS NOW. NO, IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE DOT WILL BERM IN THEIRS TO CELEBRATE OUT DRAINAGE AND THEN THAT'S A FAIR POINT TO SAY ABOUT BERMING ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE. WE DO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE DISTANCES 1K3 WHY SCCTD FOOT IS REASONABLE AND COMPATIBLE REALLY WITH THAT LINE OF SIGHT THAT WE'RE SHOWING AGAIN STANDING AS 6-FOOT, ALONG ACROSS THE DISTANCE OF WHAT WOULD BE 300 FEET IS NOT THE SAME PREMISE OF WHAT IS YOU ARE 20 FEET AWAY FROM ME AT A 60-FOOT HEIGHT. IT'S NOT THE SAME PREMISE AS BUILDINGS A HOME THAT WOULD BE AT THE BACK SIDE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO WHAT WHOB THE E SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

SO THAT IS ONE OF THE GUIDING BRINS PRINCIPLES. ALSO WITH FOUR MILE BEING A LADIES AND GENTLEMEN COLLECTOR SETTING THAT TONE AND SETTING THAT BACK NOT ONLY FROM THE EXING RIGHT-OF-WAY DEPTH BUT THAT AREA MARKER RESERVATION OF 20 FEET A DISTANCE SEPARATION OF 50 FEET HERE FOR THAT SETBACK. INSIDE OF THAT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS IS IT JUST OPEN SPACE? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE LAKE OR A WATER FEATURE.

YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WILL REQUIRE THAT WE HAVE CANOPY TREES. IF WE CAN'T MEET THAT BECAUSE WE'RE MODIFYING OR INFILL WE'LL HAVE TO PLANT THAT BACK SO HALF THAT OF CANOPY TREE OR SCREENING.

AGAIN DISTANCE BETWEEN 312 AND IMMEDIATELY FOR MISSION TRACE IT'S NOT THE SAME AS WHAT WE WOULD SEE ALONG FOUR MILE AND STATE ROAD 16. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE PARAMETERS WHEN WE LOOK A CONTEXT ABOUT WHY IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS MIXED USE CORRIDOR THAT WE. IT'S INTENDED TO HAVE THAT DENSITY AND COMMERCIAL USES WHERE WE'RE LOCATED HERE AND WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS AVAILABLE.

>> SPEAKER: LINDSEY, QUICKLY TO THE RESIDENTS WHO BROUGHT UP THE OTHER PROJECT, THAT IS IMMEDIATELY CONTIGUOUS TO THEM.

THIS PROPERTY IS NOT. IT IS A 2 -- AT LEAST 250 FEET

AWAY. >> SPEAKER: CORRECT.

THAT'S RIGHT. AND SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS, THEN, JEREMY COOPER WITH BIOTECH CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME SCREENS OR THE ENVIRONMENT AP SA PECTS.

THE WATER MANAGEMENT DPRIK AND JAN BRIEWRT ST. JOHN ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING DIVISION SHARED THAT WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS. THERE ARE NOT SPRINGS LOCATED WITHIN THE SITE. THE BORROW AREA IS SEPARATE AND IT NO WILL THE BE COMMINGLED WITH THE POND FOR THE DOT.

SO THEY ISSUES ARE SEPARATE AND WE CAN GET INTO DRAINAGE FOR MISSION TRACE WHAT OUR COMMUNE -- HELP EXPLAIN WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH DRAINAGE ON THAT SITE.

IT'S REAL IMPORTANT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF ROADWAYS ARE AND THOSE CONNECTIONS.

I'LL TEE UP A LITTLE BIT FOR MRS BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO LOOK, THE SITE PLAN IS GOOD FOR THIS AS FAR AS,Y YES, FOUR MILE ROAD IS INTENDED TO BE FLIED FLY OVER 312.

IF YOU WANTED TO GET ON 312 YOU'RE RIGHT OUT.

IF YOU'RE COMING IN FROM, IF YOU'RE HEADED FROM ST. AUGUSTINE TO THE WEST, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT PROPOSED WEST LANE.

THAT'S MY TEE-UP FOR YOU, TOMENTSZ, IF YOU WANT TO WALK

THROUGH THAT. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

I REALLY APPRECIATE. IT HELLO, EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS THOMAS HATCHER. I'M A TRAFFIC ENGINEER WITH ENGLAND, THIMS & MILLER, 14775 OLD ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, AND I'LL TRY TO HIT THEM ALL.

IF FIRST ONE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC GENERATION OF THIS PROJECT, I UNDERSTAND THAT 1800 CARS A DAY SOUNDS A LOT, BUT LET'S PUT IN IT CONTEXT OF THE ROADWAY CAPACITY NEARBY.

SEE IF WE CAN'T GO BACK. >> SPEAKER: WE'VE GOT TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END, THAT ONE WAS PREPPED.

>> SPEAKER: NICE. VERY NICE.

IT'S THE VERY LAST SLIDE SO IF YOU CAN BE PATIENT WITH ME.

NO, NEXT. KEEP GOING.

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: WE DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT.

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT ONE.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC. >> SPEAKER: AND THEN GO ONE

BACK. >> SPEAKER: TECHNICAL

DIFFICULTIES. >> SPEAKER: AND GO ONE BACK.

THERE YOU GO. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR PATIENCE. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADVERSELY IMPACTED, SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED 1 ST. JOHN DEFINITION SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED IS WHERE YOUR PROJECT TRAFFIC IS 1% OR GREATER OF THE IMAFT CAPACITY.

1800 CARS A DAY, IS THAT -- IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, HOWEVER, LET'S PUT IN IT CONTEXT OF STATE ROAD 16.

THE CAPACITY OF STATE ROAD 16 FROM INMAN TO FOYER MILE ROAD IS 5,670 VEHICLES PER HOUR, SO WE'LL SEE HERE WE ARE 1.9% OF THE CAPACITY OF STATE ROAD ALONG THIS SEGMENT, 1.43% OF THE IMAFT OF STATE ROAD 16 FROM FOUR MILE ROAD TO KENTON MORRISON AND THEN EVERY OTHER SEGMENT WHERE WE DO NOT HAVE A CUT-OUT WE ARE LESS THAN 1% OF THE TRAFFIC. SO SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED IS 1%, SO WE'RE CSH IT'S REALLY MORE OF A DROP IN THE BUCKET IN THAT ASPECT. IT'S CLOSER TO 1%.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT IN IT CONTEXT OF THE CAPACITY OF THE ROADWAYS. AND THEN LET'S GO TO KENTON MORRISON ROAD. IF YOU WILL SEE HERE WE DO NOT HAVE A CIEWLGT ON KENTON MORRISON BECAUSE WE ARE LESS THAN 1% OF THE MAXIMUMS SERVICE VOLUME OF THE ROAD AS QUESTION FIND BY ST. JOHN AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

WE DO NOT PROJECT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD.

>> SPEAKER: THOMAS, JUST TO QULAIR FI THAT YOU HAVE DESIGNED THE PROJECT ACCESS TO BE 1 ON STATE ROAD 16 AND 1 ON FOUR

MILE, CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM.

YES, MA'AM. AND AS FAR AS THE 312 EXTENSION GOES, I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HOW IT'S GOING TO TIE INTO FOUR MILE ROAD. JUST SO MR. RON BROWN FORGIVES ME FOR THIS POINT, THIS PROJECT IS CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN.

IT WAS PLET FOR DESIGN RDRP WON THE CONTRACT.

SO IF FIRST STEP AVERA REEVALUATING THE ALTERNATIVES.

SO ORIGINALLY I BELIEVE IT WAS FOUR OR SIX LANES.

HOWEVER RIGHT NOW THEY'RE REEVALUATING THE LANEAGE AND REEVALUATING THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SECTION AT FOUR MILE ROAD AND THE 312 EXTENSION. THEY'RE DPAIBTING WHETHER IT SHUTS DOWN BE AT GRADE, GRADE SEPARATED, SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE I OBJECT PUT ON THAT MR. RON BOWNE BROWNE I'D BE MORE THAN LEAD POISON TO PUT IN YOU CONTACT WITH DOT MANAGER.

I KNOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC SAFETY, STATE ROAD SCEANT A END KENTON MORRISON ROAD AND FOUR MILE ROAD.

VERY IMPORTANT. WE REACHED OUT TO THE -- THEY HAVE DAN STUD ADDED STATE ROAD AT FOUR MILE ROAD.

THEY MINOR RIGHT TURN, LEFT FACING, BASICALLY SIMILAR IMPROVEMENT THAT ARE EXPECTED TO PRODUCE SAFETY, SAFETY BENEFIT, AND HEN THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROAD 16 AT KENTON MORRISON ROAD, THEY ARE CHANGING ALL OF THE LEFT TURN PHASING TO WHERE YOU CAN NO LONGER TAKE A PERMISSIVE LEFT WHERE THEY'RAL PROTECTED ONLY AND THEY ARE SELLING RETRO REFLECTIVE BACK PLATES. SO THESE INTERSECTIONS ARE ON THEIR RADAR. I SPOKE WITH ST. JOHNS THE INTERSECTION OF FOUR PLIEL AND HOLMES IS NOT ON THE RADAR FOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. THAT WAS A MOUTHFUL.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.

>> SPEAKER: ANY QUESTIONS FROM THOMAS? OKAY. THEN JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO WRAP UP ON. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE FERBER COMPANY HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME ACTUALLY, MOST OF IT, BECAUSE THEY KNEW THE THAT STATE ROAD EXTENSION WAS COMING AND THEY WANTED TO BE IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME. WILL WAS A MENTION FROM SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE ABOUT JUST COMING IN OUT OF GREED.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE. THEY HAVE INVESTED THIS MONEY IN THIS PROPERTY A LONG TIME AGO AND HAVE BEEN WAITING, AGAIN WITH A PLIKDZ USE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT'S BEEN ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS KIND OF DENSITY AND INTENSITY OF USE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU -- I MEAN, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM THE BOARD WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS AT THIS POINT ABOUT YOUR VISION ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT, DENSITY, THAT KIND OF A THING, SO PERHAPS WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THAT. DR. HILSENBECK HAS BEEN VERY

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THAT. >> MR. MILLER: I DON'T.

I HAVE A QUESTION. >> MR. WILSON: I I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO WAS IN AUDIENCE WHO SAID THIS BUT SOMEONE ASKED YOU ONLY HAVE APARTMENTS THERE AND FOR MIXED USE DID YOU HAVE

COMMERCIAL PLANS FOR THAT? >> SPEAKER: SO THANK YOU, MR. WILSON. THIS PROJECT DOES INCLUDE 405 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS AND 95,000 SQUARE FEET HAVE NON-RESIDENTIAL AS A MAXIMUM POTENTIAL, AND SO WE SHARED THREE DIFFERENT CONCEPT PLANS, RIGHT? SO DEPENDING, COMMERCIAL REALLY WANTS TO BE LOCATED ALONG THESE MAJOR ROADWAYS SO THE TIMING OF 312 IS IMPORTANT, R. HOW MUCH OF ALL OF THAT DEBTS GESTLED, ELTS AS WELL AS THE TIMING IF THAT IS DELAYED WITH PLULT FAMILY, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS DRIVEN HERE FOR THE MARKET. WE'RE JUST SHOWING DIFFERENT CONCEPTS SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT LAYS OUT AND GET SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS OUT. HOW WOULD BUILDING SPACE ON STATE ROAD KANE TO 3 TBFL WEBSTER.

ONE OF OUR SLIDE DECKS WE SHOADZ YOU EARLIER ON HOW YOU CAN SEE COMMERCIAL FLOJ ALONG STATE ROAD 16, THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT.

>> MR. WILSON: I HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: LET LET ME ELVIS GO.

>> MR. WILSON: SURE, SURE. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> MR. PIERRE: NO, I DON'T. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. WILSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DR. HILSENBECK, I'M SORRY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THE DIAGRAM YOU'RE SHOWING HERE IS ALL RESIDENTIAL, NO COMMERCIAL. YOU SHOWED ANOTHER DIAGRAM WITH THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. WHICH IS IT?

WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING? >> SPEAKER: WE'RE PROPOSING A MIX. Y IS OUR PUD, THESE ARE CONCEPTS SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE REGULATIONS FOR THE PUD COULD COME TO LIFE, IS WE HAVE A PROPOSAL TO HAVE 95,000, UP TO A MAXIMUMS AND THEN 405 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, SEE HERE'S HOW ONE POTENTIAL CONCEPT. THIS IS NOT AS A LOCKED I NEVER PLAN. IT HASN'T BEEN -- IT'S NOT AN INSTRUMENT ALLEY MAT OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN BUT IT DOES START TO SHOW WHAT OUR SITE PLANS CONDITIONS ARE.

WHERE ACTION WOULD BE, WE ARE WE COULD ACCOUNT OR DRAINAGE, BOTH WE HAVE ON FOUR MILE, STATE ROAD 16 AND, OF COURSE, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR 312. SO BOTH ISY PROPOSED AND IT'S

DEPENDENT ON THE MARKET. >> DR. HILSENBECK: IT LOOKS TO BE VERY WET. WILL YOU BE UTILIZING MORE OF THE SITE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE WETLAND DETERMINATIONS DONE OUT THERE, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING US HERE IS NO COMMERCIAL AND ALL RESIDENTIAL.

AS A SAID, I WAS FINE WITH THE 95,000 SQUARE FEET COMMERCIAL ON THERE. I'D VOTE FOR THAT.

BUT JUST STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL WITH APPARENTLY INADEQUATE PARKING, I MEAN, MR. MCANARNEY ADDED ALL THAT UP FROM YOUR VERY DETAILED DRAWTIONZ AND DS DEMONSTRATED QUITE WELL THAT THERE'S INADEQUATE PARKING OUT THERE.

AND YOU WENT THROUGH, LINDSEY, THIS VERY DETAILED THING ON PARKING, PARKING, PARKING. I'VE NEVER SEEN SUCH A DETAILED PRESENTATION ON PARNLG. SEEMS PARKING.

SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU ARE POSSIBLY AWARE THERE WAS INADEQUATE PARKING AND THERE WERE A LOT OF FIGURES PUT OUT

WILL TO NOT REALLY ADDRESS THAT. >> MR. PETER:

>> AND NOT A AT ALL. TO THE CHAIR, THAT WAS DATA TO SUPPORT THE WAIVER. WHAT WOULD BE APPROVED IN THE PUD WOULD BE 1.75 SPACES PER UNIT.

THAT HAS TO PARK OUT. WE CAN'T DEVIATE FROM THAT SHOULD YOU APPROVE THE WAIVER, BUT BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU HAVE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT'S OOH THAT BEDROOM MIX WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION THAT'S SUPPORT OOBL AND UNIQUE TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. REGARDING MR. MCANARNEY, THESE CONCEPT PLANS THAT SHOIS WHERE THE ACCESS WOULD BE, WHERE WE WOULD LIKELY PLACE OUR BUILDINGS.

WE TO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT. WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE 1.75, HOWEVER MANY UNITS. IT IS NOT A MISDIRECT AT ALL.

SO THE CONCEPT HERE,IES ,IES TT COMMERCIAL BLEND TO SHOW.

THE COMMERCIAL WANTS TO GRAVITATE TOO STATE ROAD 16 WHERE WE HAVE THAT ACCESS. WE'RE USING THE FOUR MILE AS THAT ENTRY POINT INTO THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AND THEN WE HAVE THAT BARRIER OF 312 THERE.

I THINK IF YOU APPROVE OUR PUD APPROVES 95,000 SQUARE FEET AND MULTIPLE PEOPLE WIEWT BUT WE WOULD BE COMPLIANT.

>> SPEAKER: DR. HILSENBECK, TO GO TO YOUR POINT ABOUT MARKET, YOU CAN TELL FROM THIS PROPERTY IT'S NOT ON THE HARD CORNER OF FOUR MILE AND STATE ROAD 16 WHICH IS WHY IT HASN'T DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL TO THIS POINT. IT MAY BE A PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE STATE ROAD 312 IS PUT THROUGH.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE A MARK OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS CLIENT, AGAIN, HA HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS

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THE PUD MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT IS A GREAT OFFER BUT IT DOESN'T MOVE MY OBJECTIONS TO THIS AT ALL.

LET ME ASK THIS. THE AREAS IN.

THE DARKER BLUE HERE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BUILDINGS WHATSOEVER, AM I TO ASSUME THOSE ARE WETLAND AREAS?

>> SPEAKER: THOSE ARE OUR POND AREAS AND SOME OF THAT OVERLAPS WITH WETLANDS. IF WE WERE TO PUT THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN UP IN THE PUD YOU CAN SEE WHERE OUR WETLANDS LOCATED LINCHTS BUT YOU STATED IN THE APPLICATION THERE WERE 6 ACRES WETLANDS. THAT'S A LOT PROCEDURE 6 ACRES.

P A 33-ACRE SITE? THAT'S HALF THE SITE.

>> SPEAKER: SO OUR SITE IS SEPARATED FROM NIECE WETLANDS WOULD BE GENERALLY LOCATED IN THIS AREA, SO AGAIN HOW WE'RE DEVICE EXPWNG WHY THE IMPACTS TO THE WETLAND ARE NECESSARY WITH 312 COMING HERE, WE HAVE TO PLEET ACCESS SPACING FROM THIS, WHETHER, AS THOMAS EXPLAINED, IT'S GOING TO BE AT GRADE OR FLYOVER, WE ALSO HAVE TO MEET ACCESS SEPARATION FROM SIGNAL.

THAT PLACES US HERE RIGHT AT ONE POINT OF OUR WETLAND.

THE SAME GOES FOR WHERE WE HAVE ON STATE ROAD 16 WHERE WE HAVE TO MEET ACCESS MANAGEMENT FROM STATE ROAD 16 AND FOUR MILE PLACES AT WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE COMING IN.

WE DO HAVE TO HANDLE DRAINAGE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE SITE ISELL WETLANDS?

>> SPEAKER: WE HAVE 6 ACRES OF THE 33.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THOSE DARK BLUE AREAS YOU SET ARE WETLANDS

OR PONDS. >> SPEAKER: IF YOU COULD POP

UP THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. >> DR. HILSENBECK: LET'S SAY THERE ARE 6 ACRES TOTAL. YOU'RE GOING FILL EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THAT? YOU'RE GO TO FILL THESE?

>> SPEAKER: IN OUR PUD WE ARE REQUESTING WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FILL ALL 6 ACRES, THE REASON BEING, DR. HILSENBECK, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WE HAVE WHEN WE NEED TO MEET OUR ACCESS M STANDARDS ALONG STROOT 16. WHICH PUTS US AT THIS ACCESS POINT. THIS HATCH PATTERN SHOWS THE WETLAND AREA. WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR DRAINAGE ON THE SITE SO WE'RE PROVIDING OURSELVES THE ABILITY TO IMPACT THOSE WETLANDS.

NEED PERMITTING FOR THAT YOU. CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE DEP AND WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

WE WILL COMPLY. THE IF ANY PORTIONS WETLAND ARE PRESERVED OUR PUD DOES SAY WE WILL MEET THE BUFFERING STANDARDS FOR THE WETLAND AS WELL AS THE BUILDING SETBACK.

SO YOU REALLY ARE LOOKING AT A IN A TERM THE SITE CONDITIONS INDICATE WHY WE WOULD NEED TO IMPACT THE WETLAND AND WE'RE PROVIDING IT FOR FLEXIBLE IN PERMITTING AND WE KNOW WE GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING EANSZ LINCHTS THE APPLICANT SAID YOU WERE GOING TO FILL IN 6 ACRES OF WETLANDS SO THIS IS ALL OF BIPTD THIS IS 2022. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE THIS LAND EXPRUR I DO NOT GOING TO FILL IN ALL THE WETLAND ON THE PROPERTY. THAT DOESN'T SET WELL WITH ME AS A LONGTIME CONSERVATIONIST AT ALL.

SO, AND THE TRAFFIC I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU BECAUSE I NEVER HEARD MORE OF A GLOSSING OVER OF TRAFFIC IMPACT EVER. I MEAN, YOU'RE HAVING SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, ADVERSELY IMPACTED ROADWAY SEGMENTS AND YOU CAN SAY IT'S 3% OR 2%, YOU'RE OVER THAT 1%, 1885 CARS IS LAY LOT OF CARS. MAY NOT BE ON STATE ROAD 16, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOLME AND FOUR MILE ROAD AND ALL OF THAT, THAT'S A HUGE IMPACT, AND THE TRANSPORTATION FOLKS IN THE COUNTY WOULD NOT HAVE CALLED THAT OUT AS ADVERSELY IMPACTED

ROAD SEG MGHTS IF THEY WERE NOT. >> SPEAKER: AND, DR. HILSENBECK, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, THOMAS USES THE VERNACULAR FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THOSE ARE THE THRESHOLDS FOR WHEN YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE CERTAIN ANALYSES. THAT'S WHAT HE'S SPEAKING TO.

HE'S NOT DIMINISHING OR WHATEVER.

HE'S SPEAKING TO THE METHOD MEASUREMENT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COD AND HE'S ALSO SPEAKING TO THE WAY THAT THINGS ARE PHRASED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND UNDER FLORIDA STA COMPLIEWTS FOR CONCURRENCY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: HE SPOKE VERY WELL, BUT I WILL HAVE TO SAY YOU'RE STILL EXCEEDING THE STANDARDS EXPWSHES THAT'S WHY THERE'S REPORT. FAIR SHARE.

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>> SPEAKER: THERE IS A REPORTED.

FAIR SLAYER, YES. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DO HAVE QUESTIONS OF OUR TRANSPORTATION FOLKS WHO I BELIEVE ARE IN THE BACK THERE, AND THE FIRST ONE IS WHEN IS THIS 312 EXTENSION SCHEDULED TO BE STARTED, COMPLETED OR BOTH OF THOSE? AND NUMBER 2020 IS THAT A LIMITED ACCESS HIGHWAY? AND NUMBER 2, IS THAT A LIMITED ACCESS HIGHWAY?

>> JAN ATLANTA HAM THERE ARE 6.PLANNER GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

THERE IS NO CAN BE CURRENTLY NO FUNDING FOR CONSTRUCTION OF 312 IN THIS AREA. AS HE KADE, A DESIGN IS UNDERWAY. IT'S APPROXIMATELILY THERE ARE% AT PROTOCOL REPLY 30%. AND THEN WHAT WAS YOUR OTHER QUESTION? I'M SORRY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IS IT GOING TO BE LAIMENTD ACCESS HIGHWAY IF

IT'S BUILT? >> SPEAKER: YES, YES.

SO DEVELOPMENTS WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

IT WILL HAVE INTERSECTIONS. 16 AND -- I'M NOT SURE ABOUT FOUR MILE AS FAR AS AN INTERSECTION.

ORIGINALLY IT WOULD BE A FLYOVER.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S JUST PLACE GOING TO ASK.

THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: THEY MAY BE REVISITING THAT. I'M NOT UP TO SPEED ON IT

TOTALLY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN ANSWER FOR TO BOARD?

>> MR. MATOVINA: WILDE LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS.

>> SPEAKER: SURE. PLANCHTS CLUSTERING IS A PREFERRED METHOD OF DEVELOPMENT. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE COLORED PLAN THAT YOU HAVE THERE, BOY, THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN SPACE ON IT. NOW, A LOT OF THAT IS LAKE.

THERE'S AB INORDINATE AMOUNT OF LAKE ON THERE IT SEEMS LIKE, A RETENTION AREA. TYPICALLY YOU WOULD FIGURE 12% OF A SITE ALTHOUGH IN THIS CASE WITH HIGHER DENSITY MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT. BUT I'M REALLY NOT ASKING A QUESTION. YOU ASKED WHAT OUR THOUGHTS WERE, AND SO I'M REALLY JUST SHARING SOME THOUGHTS WITH YOU.

I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF OPEN SPACE ON THAT SITE, WHICH IS DESIRABLE UNLESS IT'S GOING TO ALL BE COVERED UP WITH PARKING.

SO A SITE PLAN THAT WOULD SORT OF EXHIBIT WHAT WAS TRULY GOING TO REMAIN OPEN SPACE AND BE PLANTED MIGHT BE HELPFUL IN MY OPINION. IT IS MAY NOT SWAY SOME PEOPLE'S OPINIONS. BUT IT MIGHT OTHERS.

SO -- >> AND AND MR. MATOVINA TO YOUR POINT, THERE IS AN EXISTING COKEEN A PIT THAT WAS DUG YEARS AGO. THAT IS WHAT'S REPRESENTED ON THE EAST SIDE. MOST OF THAT WILL STAY IN ITS NATURAL STATE. SO AS LINDSEY SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO STICK BETWEEN NOT FILLING IN THE NATURAL OR THE LONGTIME COKEENA PIT AND DEVELOPING AROUND IT, IF YOU WILL, TO PROVIDE THAT NATURAL, BEAUTIFUL WATER BODY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO, YOU KNOW, MY OTHER POINTS WOULD BE, AND WHAT I HEAR, MAYBE HEAR FROM OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, THE QUESTION ABOUT UNREASONABLE TRAFFIC IMPACTS IS A SUBJECT TO THE DEFINITION OF UNREASONABLE. IN MY OPINION AN UNREASONABLE TRAFFIC IMPACT IS IF YOUR ONLY WAY IN AND OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS -- OR MAYBE YOUR SECONDARY WAY WAS CONNECTING TO A LOCAL ROAD, WHICH YOU'RE NOT DOING.

THAT'S AN UNREASONABLE TRAFFIC IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE IN THAT SUBDIVISION THAT YOU WOULD BE -- THAT'S JUST A STATEMENT.

I THINK I KIND OF HEAR AND PERHAPS ALL MAY WANT TO CONSIDER GOING BACK AND LOOKING AND SEEING WHAT ACTUALLY FITS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE ENTITLED TO UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT MIGHT BE LYLE LESS INTIMIDATING -- A LITTLE LESS INTIMIDATING IF YOU COULD FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT FIT WITH A MORE DETAILED SITE PLAN EVEN THOUGH MR. MCANARNEY THINKSNESS A GREAT SITE PLAN.

AND WHAT'S MY LAST NOTE HERE? MORE SPES TIS FISTY.

SO I ESPECIALLY IF I THAT YOU'RE COMPLYING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HERE. YOU'RE ASKING FOR USES THAT ARE WITHIN THE MIXED USE DISTRICT. I THINK YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF PUSHBACK BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF SPECIFICITY, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT NECESSARILY THIS BOARD TODAY NEEDS TO NAIL DOWN TO IT'S EXACTLY GOING TO BE 276 UNITS AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE 74,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL OR IT'S GOING TO BE ALL RESIDENTIAL. AND I WOULD VOTE I DON'T FOR IT IN ITS CURRENT FORMAT BUT FRA WHAT I'M HEARING YOU MAY GET A 3-1 VOTE TODAY, YOU MIGHT GET A 2-2, YOU MIGHT GET A 1, 3.

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I DON'T KNOW. >> SPEAKER: AND GOING BACK TO THIS MICROPHONE WHAT WE MIGHT PROPOSE TO YOU IS A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS. ONE, AGAIN, LIKE MR. MUNDZY HAS OFFERED TO HAVE KIND OF A BUILDING HEIGHT LINE HERE THAT EVERYTHING EASTWARD OF THIS LINE WOULD BE NO MORE THAN 50 FEET, AND THEN CERTAINLY BETWEEN NOW AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION HEARING ON THIS APPLICATION, WE CAN DO WHAT I'LL CALL A SITE FIT OR WHATEVER TO DETERMINE IF THE 405 MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS ARE WHAT REALLY FIT OR IF WE CAN REDUCE THAT NUMBER OF UNITS AT PAUL. PLANCHTS

ALL. >> MR. MATOVINA: I'M FINE WITH THAT. IT RAISES ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THAT BUILDING IN THE CORNER. I ASSUME 312 IS FLYING OVER FOUR MILE. FOUR MILE IS NOT GOING TO GO OVER 312. 312 IS GOING TO GO OVER FOUR MILE. NO?

>> THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION OR CONCEPT WAS THAT FOUR MILE ROAD WOULD BE ELEVATED OVER STATE ROAD 312, AND IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THE LINE WORK, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A CUL-DE-SAC RIGHT AT THE FOUR MILE ROAD AND THAT WAS BECAUSE DOT ENVISIONED THE ELEVATION CHANGE SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO MOVE THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTIES ON FOUR MILE ROAD FURTHER WEST SO THAT IT WOULD

MEET AT A CORRECT ELEVATION. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DO.

I HAVE ANOTHER SINCE YOU BROUGHT I WANT, ELLEN.

YOU SAID THAT THE SITE ON THE EAST, THAT LARGE WETLAND AREA OR POND OR WHATEVER IT IS WAS AN OLD COULD COQUINA MINE.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I DIDN'T REALIZED THAT.

I DON'T BELIEVE I READ THAT IN THERE.

HOW DEEP WAS THAT MINE? DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA?

DHIT THE AQUIFER? >> AND GOU GUYS KNOW? MR. MUNDY IS SAYING 12 TO 15 FEET DEEP, AND THE WATER IS CLEAR, CORRECT? YES, APPARENTLY I'VE HEARD BECAUSE I HAVE NOT SEEN IT THAT IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT WOULD BE AN EXTREMELY SHALLOW ROCK MINE, SO IF THAT'S IT, THAT'S WHAT IT IS, BUT I JUST WONDERED FLIT THE AQUIFER AND IF INDEED THERE WAS SOME GROUND WATER FLOW INTO THAT WHICH SOME PEOPLE MIGHT CONSIDER SPRING FLOW COMING OUT OF OF THE AQUIFER. I DON'T KNOW.

I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT. BUT I'VE STATED MY ISSUES WITH

THIS, AND I CANNOT SUPPORT IT. >> SPEAKER: UNDERSTOOD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. ITALY AT THIS POINT WE'RE BACK

INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PUD 20-05 FERBER STROOT 16 PAIDZ ON TEN FINDINGS OF FACT AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT PLANCHTS SO WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FROM DR. HILSENBECK. IS THERE A SECOND? THAT MOTION DIES FORE LACK OF A SECOND.

WE NEED ANOTHER MOTION. MR. PIERRE.

>> MR. PIERRE: A MOTION TO RECOMMEND BROOFL OF PUD 2022-08 FERBER STATE ROAD 16 PUD BASED ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT AS

LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORTED. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE GOT A PLOSION FOR APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. WILSON. DISCUSSION?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP ONCE AGAIN THIS COMP PLAN POLICY. WGHT 1.3 PNTD 11 THAT IS RELEVANT TO COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS, REZONINGS OR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS, SO AGAIN IT SAYS A REZONING REQUEST MAY BE APPROVED ONLY UPON DETERMINATION THAT THE APPLICANT AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED ESTABLISHED THAT ALL THE PROPOSED PERMITTED USES ARE COMPATIBLE.

THIS IS AGAIN ESTABLISHED THAT ALL THE PROPOSED PERMITTED USES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH CONFORMING LAND USES AND LOCATED ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES. AND THEN IT GOES ON TO TALK, AND IT'S THEIR WORDS, NOTE MINE, REZONING REQUEST SHALL NOT BE APPROVED IF THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC FLOW OF THE PROPOSED PERMITTED USES HAVE AN UNREASONABLE IMPACT ON THE CON CONTIGUOUS AND SURROUNDING AREA. SO THAT'S THEIR TERM, UNREASONABLE, NOT MINE, BUT WHEN WE HAVE ADVERSELY IMPACTED ROAD SEGMENTS, 60 FOOD TALL BUILDINGS, I DON'T CONSIDER THOSE ALL OF THE USES THAT WE'RE PERMITTING ARE COMPATIBLE, SO I WOULD THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I THINK WE'RE VIOLATING THE COMP PLAN APPROVING THIS.

>> MR. WILSON:. >> AND MR. CLARE, IF VOTING

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I THINK IT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE OH WHETHER YOU WANT TO CARRY ON AND DO A VOICE VOTE, BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT VOTED UP FOR THE RECORD WE MIGHT NEED TO TAKE A VEST FOR A MINUTE TO ALLOW IT TO

REBOOT. >> MR. MATOVINA: NO, WE'LL DO

A VOICE VOTE. >> MR. CHAIR WEEK ON THE MOTION DID IT INCLUDE THE 50-FOOT HEIGHT ADJACENT TO 313 THAT WAS OFFERED BY THE APPLICANT AND THAT THE SITE INITIATIVE A PLAN WOULD BE DONE BEFORE IT GETS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY

COMMISSIONERS? >> MR. MATOVINA: NO, IT DID

NOT. >> SPEAKER: OKAY, THANK YOU PLANCHTS DID YOU INTEND TO INCLUDE THAT?

>> SPEAKER: NO, I DID NOT BUT I WILL IF I NEED TO I CAN.

I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION.

>> AND YOU WOULD NEED TO STATE ON THE RECORD AND THE PARTEDY.

>> THE LAST THANK VERGE YAJ. >> IT WAS A 50-FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT THAT WAS SLOAN ALONGTY PORTION OF 313 OR TRE 312 EX FENSION AND THERE I WAS CERTAIN POINT WHERE ELLEN SHOWED ON IT HER SITE PLAN, AND THEN THE OTHER WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE A SITE FIT PLAN CREATED THAT WOULD SHOW WHAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY DO ON

THE PROPERTY. >> MR. PIERRE: I'M NOT GOING

TO REMEMBER ALL THAT. >> SPEAKER: MR. PIERRE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO YOU COULD ALSO SAY YOU ADOPT THE TWO CONDITIONS AS STATED BY MS. BISHOP.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO STATE THE ORIGINAL PLOSION. JUST NEED TO AMEND YOUR NOTION

ADOPT THE. >> MR. PIERRE: I'D LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION TO ADOPT THE TWO CONDITIONS AS STATED BY

MS. BISHOP. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. WILL SON OF DO YOU ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENTS?

>> MR. WILSON: SECOND. >> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK, I WOULD TELL YOU WHAT YOU READ ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY SAID ADJACENT, AND TO ME ADJACENT MEANS TOUCHING, AND SO THEY DON'T TOUCH MISSION TRACE.

THEY DON'T TOUCH THE PUBLIX. THEY TOUCH THREE RIGHTS-OF-WAY WAYS AND THEY TOUCH AN OFFICE BUILDING.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP AND ARE ADDRESSING IT TO ME, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROADWAYS.

FOUR MILE ROAD, STATE ROAD 16, HOLMES BOULEVARD, 312, EXTENSION 313, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, IS A LONG WAY OFF, SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BEING COMPATIBLE AND IT IS CONTIGUOUS WITH UOFL THOSE ROADS, NO HOLMES BUT FOUR MILE AND STATE ROAD 16, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT 60-FOOT BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY AS SEEN FROM STATE ROAD 16 AND FOUR MILE, NOT NECESSARILY MISSION TRACE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE REST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE GOING BY THERE BY THE HURNS AND THOUSANDS EVERY DAY -- HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS EVER DAY, THAT IS THAT IS NOT A COMPATIBLE USE IN MY OPINION.

THERE'S NOTHING ELSE 60S FEET TALL AROUND THERE.

HOW CANIT BE EXATDIBLE ON THAT SITE WHEN THERE'S NOTHING AROUND IT THAT'S 60 FEET? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT I'M EVEN ARGUING THIS POINT OF THE 60-FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION ON THIS. PLUS IT WAS STATED TREES ARE GOING TO BE BROUGHT IN, MATURE CANOPY TREES.

YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IN A 60-FOOT TREE, A LOT OF 60-FOOT TREES? THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

LET ME TELL YOU THAT IS NOT AS HAMMING.

>> MR. MATOVINA: I WAS JUST ADDRESSING THE COMP PLAN.

I UNDERSTAND THOSE ISSUES. >> DR. HILSENBECK: BUT THESE ARE CON TIG DWRUS JUST. THIS PROPERTY IS CON TILLING JUST WITH EVERYTHING I JUST STATED AND CAN BE SEEN FROM FOUR

MILE AND 16. >> MR. MATOVINA:

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE.

MR. WILSON, YEA OR NAY? A YEA VOTE IS TO APPROVE.

>> MR. WILSON: YES. >> DR. HILSENBECK: NO.

>> MR. PIERRE: NO. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. MATOVINA VOTES YES. SO WE'VE GOT A SPLIT DECISION HERE. SO IS THERE ANY OTHER MOTION?

>> SPEAKER: THEN COORGT TO POLICY THIS MOVES FORWARDATION

RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. >> MR. MATOVINA: DID YOU THAN

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SPINCHTS JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. >> SPEAKER: I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THE MOTION WAS TO APPROVE WITH THE 50-FOOT HEIGHT ZONE AND THE UNIT FIT AS STATED BY MS. BISHOP AND TWO OF YOU VOTED FOR THAT AND TWO OF YOU VOTED AGAINST IT.

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>> MR. MATOVINA: THAT'S CORRECT.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YES. YES.

SO THAT'S A MOTION FOR DENIAL, AND WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12 AT THIS POINT. WHICH IS MS. SMITH AGAIN.

AND THERE IS NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATION FOR ITEM NUMBER 1 12. IM I'M GOING TO ASK THE CROWD TO MOVE OUT TO THE LOBBY AND HAVE A DISCUSSION SO WE CAN GET OUT OF HERE AT SOME POINT IN TIME TONIGHT.

>> SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT. SEVENTH INNING STRETCH.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. I JUST NEEDED TO TAKE TWO SECONDS TO BREATHE. ELLEN AVERY-SMITH, ROGERS TOWERS, 100 WHETSTONE PLACE. AND HERE WITH ME GO AHEAD WITH

CASEY. >> CASEY DENDOR GLENG THIMS & MILLER 1775 OLD ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD.

>> SPEAKER: AND WE ALSO HAVE JASON MILLER FROM BIOTECH WHO IS OUR PROJECT ENVIRONMENT. A CONSULTANT IN CASE WE NEED HIS EXPERTISE. AND WE ALSO HAVE TOMENTSZ HATCHER. I JUST WANTED THE MAKE SURE HE DIDN'T LEAVE. WHO IS YOUR PROJECT TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER. SO THIS APPLICATION IS FOR -- IS A LARGE SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

SO THE -- FOR ABOUT 80 ACRES. IT IS LOCATED SOUTH OF I-95 OR SOUTHWEST OF I-95 AND NORTHEAST OF STATE ROAD 16 IN THIS AREA.

YOU SEE INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY, STATE ROAD 16 THAT COMES DOWN AND INTERSECTS WITH I-95 HERE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY IS RURAL/SILVICULTURE/ST. JOHN RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BECAUSE AT ONE POINT THE LAND WAS OWNED BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THEN HAS SUBSEQUENTLY BEEN RELEASED FROM A CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND CONVEYED TO A PRIVATE PARTY AND IS NOW OWNED BY OUR CLIENT. SO NO CONSERVATION EASEMENT IS CURRENTLY RECORDED AGAINST THE PROPERTY AND SO IT'S NO LONGER SUBJECT TO ANY USE RESTRICTIONS. WHAT OUR PROPOSAL IS ARE TWO THINGS, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION TO RESIDENTIAL C WHICH ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF SIX DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE ALONG WITH NEIGHBORHOOD AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL USES ALONG WITH A TEXT POLICY THAT. LIMITED THE DEVELOPMENT TO 175 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS AND 23,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SPACE. AND SO AGAIN THIS LARGE SCALE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT CHANGES THE LAND USE OR PROPOSES TO CHANGE THE LAND USE TO A RESIDENTIAL C WITH THE COMPANION TEXT POLICY, AND AGAIN THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT CONSERVATION EASEMENT WAS RELEASED YEARS AGO, SO IT'S NO LONGER SUBJECT TO THOSE KIND OF RESTRICTIONS. THE ZONING, WHICH IS NOT BEFORE YOU TODAY, SO THERE IS A COMPANION PUD APPLICATION THAT'S WORKING ITS WAY THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND IT PROVIDES THE DEVELOPMENT PARAMETERS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, BUT AGAIN IT INCLUDES 175 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, MAXIMUM 23,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL. IT SHOWS THAT AGAIN THE COMMERCIAL WILL BE UP IN THIS AREA ALONG STATE ROAD 16 WHICH IS LOGICAL BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE COMMERCIAL TYPICALLY GOES, AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL WILL BE IN THE BACK.

IT WILL MEET ALL REQUIREMENTS FOR BUFFERING, SCREENING, ALL OF THE THINGS, SCENIC AND DEVELOPMENT EDGES, ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BUFFER IT FROM THE SURROUNDING THAT MOCHA PINES SO THEY HAVE A 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE. THIS PROJECT WILL BY COMP PLAN PROVIDE A 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE, AND THEN THERE WILL BE ALSO BE A SCENIC EDGE TAKING A LOOK STATE ROAD 16.

AND THERE'S ALSO -- THERE WILL ALSO BE A BUFFER ALONG I-95.

SO THIS IS WHAT THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN LOOKS LIKE.

AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL ON THIS SITE.

THIS IS STATE ROAD 16, SO YOU HAVE THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL IN THIS LOCATION AND THEN A STORM WATER POND HERE, SO THIS IS THE ACCESS POINT INTO THE COMMERCIAL.

YOU SEE THE PRESERVATION OF THESE WETLANDS IN THIS AREA.

AGAIN, THE 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE ON THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, IF YOU WILL, AND THE 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE ON THE TAMOCHA PINES SIDE. YOU SEE ALL OF THAT WRAP AROUND.

YOU ALSO SEE THESE PRESERVED WETLANDS AND ALSO THESE THAT PROVIDE THE BUFFER AGAINSTI 95 YOU.

SEE THE POND, AMENITY CENTER, AND THEN THE PROPOSED LOT

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TURN IT OVER TO CASEY. >> SPEAKER: IN PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALONG THE STATE ROAD 16 CORRIDOR ON THE WEST SIDE OF I-95. CURRENTLY THE VOLUMES ARE OPERATING IN THE GREEN SO THEY'RE DOING WELL.

AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMMITTED TRAFFIC FOR ALL THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE AREA THAT HAVE IMPACTS ON THE ROADS, WE DO END UP IN A DEFICIENT STANDARD.

THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ESTIMATED CAPACITY AFTER BUILDING-OUT WE HAVE A VERY MIN MOOL IMPACT TO THOSE EXISTING VOLUMES ON THOSE REEDS. BUT TO MITIGATE FOR THAT WE DO HAVE SOME REPORT. SHARE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE OR CURRENTLY UNDERGOING REVIEW TO HELP SUPPORT FUNDING FOR THE NEARBY ROADWAYS THAT ARE CURRENTLY DEFICIENT.

SOME OF THOSE ARE FROM THE SEGMENT FROM STATE ROAD 16 TO INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY OR EXCUSE ME FROM BERCHL GOLF PARKWAY TO THE OUTLET. THAT IS TO BE FUNDED BY MARKETPLACE WHICH IS A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S JUST ADJACENT TO CROWNED ROAD 2209 AND THE COUNTY PARK, A LITTLE AREA THERE. GRAND OAKS, THE SUBDIVISION THAT'S NEAR OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND WORLD COMMERCE CENTER ONCE THEY REACH AN ADDITIONAL PHASE LATER ON.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, FDOT WILL ALSO DO SOME FUNDING, AND IN A PREVIOUS PLEEGHTS WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THE BOARD ELECTED TO WRITE A LETTER TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SAYING THAT THEY WILL CONTRIBUTE TO SOME OF THE FUNDING OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF OF -- [INAUDIBLE] THE CREEK IS GOING TO CONSTRUCT ADLER CREEK PARKWAY AND THE SEGMENT OF 2209 FROM THE ADLER CREEK PARKWAY UP TO STATE ROAD 16.

IN ADDITION TO THAT THE NUMBER 3 ON YOUR MAP IS IMPROVEMENTS FROM STATE ROAD 16 TO -- EXCUSE ME -- FROM I-95 TO INMAN ROAD ON STATE ROAD 16 AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AT THAT INTERCHANGE.

234 ADDITION TO THAT THERE'S THE COUNTY ROADLY 13 EXTENSION FROM 207 TO HOLMES AND THEN THE FUTURE EXTENSION FROM HOLMES UP TO STATE ROAD 16. SO ALL OF THAT WILL HELP CONTRIBUTE TO CURRENT DEFICIENT STATUS THAT THIS SUBDIVISION WILL CONTRIBUTE TO. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO ENTER INTO A PROPORTIONATE IRRELEVANT SHAW AGREEMENT OF APPROXIMATELY 2 HLDZ.

THE COUNTY STAFF DOES MENTION $3 MILLION OWFER HOWEVER THE FORMAL CONCURRENCE HE'S NOT BEEN SUBMITTED AND ONCE ITS SUBMITTED IT CANNOT BE DONE UNTIL ADOPTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN WE WOULD THEN WORK THROUGH THE CON URNSY AND THE THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE WITH THE COUNTY.

IN ADDITION TO THAT WE'LL PAY INTO MITIGATION FEES FOR TO SCHOOL BOARD. ONCE AGAIN THAT APPLICATION CAN'T BE SUB SMIDT MYTH TO THE SCHOOL BOARD UNTIL APPROVAL OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. WE'LL ALSO PROVIDE ON-SITE PARKS AND RECREATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE PROJECT BENEFITS, IT DOES PROVIDE A MUCH-NEEDED SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AT A DENSITY CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING COMMUNITIES IN THE AREA. AS ELLEN MENTIONED, THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL C DOES ALLOW 4 A MAXIMUM OF 6 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE YOU THE ABOUT WE ARE PROPOSING A TEXTS OILS PA THAT LIMIT IT TO 175 WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 1 THRNTY. DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT'S ALMOST HALF OF WHAT'S PERMITTED UNDER THE PROPOSAL LND USE. IN ADDITION TO THAT WE'LL ALLOCATE MONEY FOR THE PROMPT PROARNT SHARE MITIGATION UP TO THE ROADS AND ALSO PROVIDE FOR COMMUNITY SCALEEAU OFFICES USES IN THE AREA WHICH NONE ARE IN THE LOCAL AREA, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE USES IN BETWEEN THE OUTEXPLETS THAT INTERSECTION OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. WE'LL ALSO GIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION THE WITH ADJACENT TAMOCHA PINES COMMUNITY AND POSSIBILITY OF SHARING AMENITIES WITH THIS COMMUNITY.

OUR MEDICATION STEPS FOR THIS WOULD BE TO TESTIMONY TRANSMITTAL OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPLICATION TO THE STATE AGENCIES AND WE WOULD THEN TBROANT BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOLLOWING THIS ANGRY HEARING.

WITH THAT I'LL OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO ANY QUESTIONS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I DO HAVE SOME.

AND THIS THING STILL ISN'T WORKING.

I SPOKE ABOUT ELLEN AVERY-SMITH ABOUT THIS ON TUESDAY I GUESS IT WAS, AND I TOLD HER I WAS GOING TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS AND THESE WERE MY CONCERNS, SO EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE TO RESTREHLE THAT BECAUSE IT'S A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, I'M DOING SO.

SO MY CONCERNS AGAIN, AND I'M GOING TO BE MUCH MORE BRIEF

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SIX DIFFERENT OR IS IT FOUR? THE TABLE GIVES SIX, BUT THE TEXT OF THE MATERIAL GIVES FOUR LINKS THAT ARE ADD STRERSLY IMPACTED AND IT SAYS BASED UPON CURRENT ROADWAY STATUS WITHIN THE FOUR MILE RADIUS STUDY AREA, TRMTION ANALYSIS, FRESHLY DATED APRIL 12, 2022 INCLUDING TRIPS FROM CURRENT AND PENDENCY APPLICATIONS THE FOLLOWING ROADWAY SEG MGHTS ARE CURRENTLY REJECTED TO BE ADVERSELY IMPACTED ON TOTAL COMMITTED TRACK OF. THESE ARE -- IT SAYS UP HERE THAT DIRECTLY ACCESS ROADS WAY SEGMENT LINK THANK YOU 92.12, TO PEST CURRENTLY OPERATING AT 86.2% OF CAPACITY BASED ON EXISTING 2021 TRAFFIC IS CURRENTLY CLASSIFIEDS AS DPE EFFICIENT FOR CONCURRENCY REVIEW PURPOSES AT 148.5% OF CAPACITY BASED ON TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC.

SO THAT IS A VERY HIGH NUMBER BASED ON TOTAL COMMITTED TRACK OF FOR THE CAPACITY. YOUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE OF ABOUT 3 MILLION, 1.91. IT'S $3,191,964.

THAT'S YOUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE ON THIS IS -- THAT'S 5.8% -- 5.18% OF THE TOTAL NEED OF 61,005,853 III.

SO THAT'S A MUCH BETTER PERCENTAGE IN AN THE LAST ONE BUT STILL THERE'S A HUGE SHORTFALL HERE AND UNTIL THE ONTARIO EITHER PASSES THAT BOND REFERENDUM AND BEE GET MONEY THERE OR I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A LETTER WRITTEN TO FDOT BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION CHAIR, MR. HENRY DEAN, ASKING, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE LETTER -- YOU HAD JUST MENTION IT HAD TO ME -- AND I BELIEVE MR. DEAN MENTIONED THAT AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT HE WHEES PLANNING TO WRITE SUCH A LETTER. SUCH A LETTER NEEDED TO BE

BRINE. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR, AND HERE'S A COPY OF THE LETTER THAT WAS CENTS ON D OFF T ON AUGUST THE WEEKEND THAT IS SIGNED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION CHAIRMAN AND I GO BACK AND I'LL BE A BRIEF WAITED IN MY RESPONSE SINCE WE HAD THE SAME CONVERSATION THE LAST HEARING, BUT AGAIN WE'RE COMPLYING WITH STATE LAW WITH RESPECT TO CONCURRENCY AS WELL AS THE COUNTY'S LANT DEVELOPED.

CODE IN PROVIDING A PROARNT SHARE AND SO WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT OUR $2 MILLION OR $3 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT WINDS UP BEING WITH RESPECT TO THE FINAL CONCURRENCY AGREEMENT WITH STAFF CAN BE USED EITHER TOWARD THIS SEGMENT OF STATE ROAD 16 TO BE FOUR-LANED OR SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO EITHER INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY, 16A, WHATEVER IN THE VICINITY OF THIS PROJECT OR PERHAPS 2209.

SO WE ARE -- AS WE DISCUSSED WITH THIS PROJECT PROVIDES SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS WHERE THEY ARE VERY MUCH.

NEEDED WITH THE POPULATION GROWTH.

WE HAVE TRIED TO BALANCE THE PRESERVATION OF WETLANDS.

WE HAVE TRIED TO BALANCE THE DENSITY.

BUT SINGLE-FAMILY FOR HOME OWNERSHIP PURPOSES, WE HAVE PROVIDED A MIXTURE OF USE, SO THERE'S A OPPORTUNITY FOR A COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE OUT ON STATE ROAD 16, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE OUT ALL THE THING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BRINGING HOUSING, BRINGING JOBS, TRYING NOT TO PUT TOO MANY CARS ON THE ROAD BUT ALSO TO RESPECTFULLY COMPLY WITH FLORIDA PLAW AND THE COUNTY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT COOD WITH RESPECT TO

PROPORTIONATE SHARE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: RIGHT, AND YOU'RE DOING A MUCH BETTER JOB THAN ON THE LAST ONE, IN MY OPINION CERTAINLY, SO THIS IS MUCH MORE PALATABLE TO ME AND I BELIEVE IS MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE THAN IS THE LAST ONE.

PUT BUT I'M STILL CONCERNED. SO THIS LETTER HAS BEEN WRITTEN AUGUST 2ND. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OR DO WE NEED TO ASK THE TRANSPORTATION FOLKS HOW EFFECTIVE SUCH A LETTER IS AT GETTING FUNDING, IF FUNDING IS APPROVED BY DOT UNILATERALLY BY THEIR CHAIR OR WHOMEVER, SECRETARY, SECRETARY

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>> SPEAKER: I DON'T. I'VE HEARD THINGS BUT THOMAS TALKS TO THE DOT ALL THE TIME SO PERHAPS HE CAN -- NOT SHE BUT H.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WE NEED THIS MONEY HERE.

I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TO UPGRADE THESE ROADS AS INTENDS A LONG TIME AGO AND IT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING.

YES, SIR. >> SPEAKER: AGAIN, TOMTIONZ HATCHER, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING ETM.

I SPOKE WITH DOT LAST WEEK. THE PROJECT IS NOT PROJECTED TO BE IN THE FIVE-YEAR WORK PROGRAM THIS NEXT FIVE YEARS.

HOWEVER, OUTSIDE THE OF THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE THINKING JUST TO GET ALL THE CONSTRUCTION FUNDS. SO NEXT FIVE YEARS LIKELY NOT.

OUTSIDE OF THAT IS WHEN THEY AR- [INDECIPHERABLE]

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU. GOOD ANSWER.

>> SPEAKER: TO MS. TRANTHAM IN THE BACK, IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING DIFFERENT, YOU SHOULD LET US KNOW.3

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SHE'S SHAKING HER HEAD NO.

AND TO WHAT? I'M SORRY.

SHNCHTS SHE AGREES WITH WHAT HE JUST SAID.

NOT PUTTING WORDS INTO HER MOUTH.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: HERE'S MY LAST POINT, AND I ALREADY MENTIONEDIT TO YOU PREVIOUSLY IN OUR PHONE CONVERSATION.

IT'S ABOUT COMP PLAN POLICY A A.1.2.5C.

IT SAYS THE EXTENT TO WHICH ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATED THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT EXISTS OR IS PROGRAMMED AND FUND THROUGH AN ADOPTED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SCHEDULE SUCH AS A COUNTY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FIVE-YEAR WORK PLAN, THE NORTH FLORIDA TRANSPORTING PLANNING ORGANIZATION, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PLAN OR WILL BE PRIVATELY FINANCED THROUGH A BINDING, EXECUTED AGREEMENT OR WILL OTHERWISE BE PROVIDED TETD OF DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS AS REQUIRED BY LAW. SO AGAIN IT'S JUST NOT THERE.

THE FUNDING IS NOT THERE. AND I'LL JUST CONTEND UNTIL IT IS THAT WE'RE VIOLATING THIS PROVISION OF THE COMP PLAN BY

APPROVING IT. >> SPEAKER: BUT ONE ONE OF THE COMPONENTS YOU JUST READ WAS A LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENT.

THAT'S WHAT I TRANSPORTING PROPORTIONATE SHARE AGREEMENT IS. IT'S CALLED A CONCURRENCY AND IMPACT CREDIT AGREEMENT. IERTS A LEGALLY BINDING COMMITMENT BY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO PAY A PROPORTIONATE

SHARE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: RIGHT.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S THE LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WILL AGREE WITH EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, HOWEVER, IT'S NOT NEARLY ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THE IMPROVEMENTS, SO IT SAYS TO THE EXTENT TO WHICH ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO COOVMENT THE PROPOSEDAO EXISTS.

WE'RE NOT THERE. YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE ADVERSELY YABLGHTD ROAD SEGMENTS AND 5% OF THE MONEY NEEDED TO DO IT.

IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT IN. SO ANYWAY THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY. I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION AND YOUR PRESENTATION, AND IT WAS GOOD.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MR PIERRE: YES, SIR, ONE. MR. MCANAREY.

>> SPEAKER: THUR SO MUCH. I'LL BE BRIEF.

THREE MINUTES MAYBE. GOLLY WELL, I'LL BE BRIEF AND TO THE POINT. WHAT A CONUNDRUM WE'RE IN, EXACTLY RIGHT. WE ALL FEEL THAT.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT COMMISSIONER CONCERNS FOR STATE ROUTE 16.

LET'S TALK ABOUT COMMISSIONER ACTIONS FOR STATE ROUTE 16.

AND THEN LET'S LOOK AT WHAT PERHAPS THE PZA CAN DO TODAY TO BE CONSISTENT. SO THE CONCERNS ARE THE COMMISSIONER CONCERNS ARE CERTAINLY THAT THE ROADSIDE IMPROVEMENTS ARE CRITICAL AND DEFICIENT, NEEDS TO BE WIDENED FOR FOUR LANES BUT THE FUNDING IS NOT AVAILABLE.

ON JULY 17TH COMMISSIONER ARNOLD RELATED THE VOLUMES OF EMAILS SHE HAS RECEIVED AND PLEADS-FOR-STEPS IS TO PROPRIETOR ADVERTISE IMPROVING THIS SEGMENT.

INFORMER DEAN SAID I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH THAT.

IT'S STILL LIKE DRIVING ON A TWO LANE COUNTRY ROAD.

THE JULY 17TH THEY REQUESTED IN THAT MIKE ROBERSON GAVE AN.

AMENDMENT OH COSTS AND HE DID THAT.

HERE'S A QUICK SUMMARY TAKEN FROM THAT BOARD MEETING WHICH CONFIRMS EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED HERE.

THE FUNDING IS JUST NOT THERE. MIKE AND HIS INVESTIGATION SAYS IT COULD EVEN BE 80 TO 100 MILLION THAT IS NEEDED.

AND THEN I PUT A RECENT QUESTION MARK SHOULD A LETTER BE SENT TO FDOT. WELL, WE JUST ANSWERED THAT ONE.

SO THE COMMISSIONER ACTIONS, AGAIN, THESE GUYS ARE CONCERNED.

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MUNCH DISCUSSION ABOUT STROWT 16.

IMPACTS IN FUNDING A A125C, MCBEE OFERRED PROARPAL FAIR SHARE. STILL WAS DENIED 5-0 BECAUSE OF CONCERNS. SAME WITH WADE'S CREEK ON JULY 19TH. ALL THIS DISCUSSION, REVIEWCH A125C DENIED. AND I JUST CIRCLED THIS THE SENSE WAS THAT THE PROJECTS MAY HAVE BEEN DESERVING BUT GOSH DARN IT THEY'RE JUST PUT FORWARD AT THE WRONG TIME BEEP NEED THE FUNDING. THESE PROJECTS ARE DESERVING.

IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT THE PROJECTS.

IT'S ABOUT THE DEFICIENCIES. SO HERE IS A125C AND I WHICH I THINK YOU ALL HAVE SEEN. DR. HILSENBECK READ THAT.

ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE THUD BE THERE.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO BE CONSISTENT APPLYING THE SALE RULES UKRAINE WIDE, IF YOU DO IT ONCE, WHY NOT DO IT TWICE.

IF YOU DO IT TWICE, ISN'T THAT THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.

SO WE PLOOK AT LAUREL POINT, AND JUST AS OUR PROPOSITION TRPS HAS DONE WITH OTHER PROJECTS, THEY HAVE SHOWN US BY THE MAP THE IMPACTED SEGMENTS. THEY HAVE SHOWN US THE UNFUNDED, THE AMOUNT THAT IT WILL COST, HOW MUCH IS UNDER FUNDED AND FROM THAT I'VE USE MIKE'S 80 TO 100 MILLION.

WE'RE ALL FAIR SHARE 3.219 JUST LIKE ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS, DESERVING BUT JUST SOME-HOUR HERE AT THE WRONG TIME.

SO ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE DOES NOT EXIST NOR IS PROGRAM NOR FUNDED, AND I URGE YOU TO RECOMMEND DENIAL, FORWARD THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSIONERS IN THE MANNER IN WHICH THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN LOOKING AT EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO OFFER ANY REBUTTAL?

>> SPEAKER: JUST BRIEFLY I WANT TO POINT OUT SOME TIMING OF THIS BECAUSE MR. MCANARNEY JUST POINTED OUT SOMETHING THAT IS MATERIAL, AS DID THOMAS CHER WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THE DOT AND WHEN IT MIGHT HAVE FUNDING AVAILABLE WHICH IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE FIVE-YEAR WINDOW. WE'RE SITTING ON BASICALLY SEPTEMBER OF 2022. BY THE TIME WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TRANSMITTED TO STATE AGENCIES COMING BACK FOR REVIEW AND IN HEARINGS, TO FINAL HEARINGS BEFORE YOUR BOARD, COUPLED UP WITH THE PUD, AND THEN TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION COUPLED UP WITH THE PUD, WE'RE IN THE BEGINNING PROBABLY FIRST QUARTER OF 2023.

ON THE TIMELINE BECAUSE THERE ARE PROJECTS STACKED UP AND HEARING DATES ARE ALREADY UPON US.

SO IT'S 2023, THE BEGINNING, BEFORE THIS PROJECT CAN ACTUALLY GO FORWARD TO ANY KIND OF PLANNING, FORMAL PLANNING, ENGINEERING, THAT KIND OF A THING, WHICH WILL TAKE A YEAR OR SO, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO BUILDING THE HORIZONTAL INFRASTRUCTURE. SO IT'S MY GUESS THAT IT'S AT LEAST TWO YEARS FROM NOW, SO WE'LL CALL IT SEPTEMBER OF 2024, BEFORE THE FIRST HOUSE IS OCCUPIED.

THAT'S A GUESSTIMATE ON MY PART, OF COURSE, BUT THAT'S HOW THING HAVE BEEN GOING IN THE REAL ESTATE MARKET WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. JUST WITH RESPECT TO GETTING THING APPROVED THROUGH AGENCIES, GETTING HORIZONTAL INFRASTRUCTURE INSTULD, AND THEN GETTING HOMES SOLD AND/OR LOT PACKAGES CONTRACTED AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

SO GIVEN THAT, THEN YOU'VE GOT REALLY THREE YEARS BEFORE STATE ROAD 16 IS HOPEFULLY WIDENED OR STARTS WYATTENING FROM DOP, SO I WANT TO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT. ALSO THE PROJECT IS PAYING ITS LEGAL PROPORTIONATE SHARE WHICH IS WHAT IT'S REQUIRED TO DO BY LAW. SO, CASEY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING

TO ADD? >> SPEAKER: NO, THAT DOES IT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MR. PIERRE, I HEARD IMLUR BUTTON

[13. COMPAMD 2022-03 SR 207 & Wildwood Self Storage (Transmittal)]

BUT HEARD YOUR BUNT CLICK. >> MR. PIERRE: NOTION TO RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 202112 LAUREL POINT BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: FOLKS MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MR. PIERRE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. WILSON. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S DO A VOICE VOTE.

MR. WILSON. >> MR. WILSON: YES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: NO. >> MR. PIERRE: YES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. MATOVINA VOTES YES SO THAT MOTION PASSES 3-. AND MR. BURNETT YOU ARE UP LAST

HERE TODAY. >> SPEAKER: I FIGURE AS LATE

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I'M HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU A COMPRHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT WHICHITES BEEN DONE BEFORE BUT A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THAT WE'RE DISPG ASKING FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR FLOOR AIR RATIO. THIS IS ON BEHALF OF ASH PROPERTIES. ONE OF ITS SUBSIDIARYES OWNS THIS LAND. ASH PROPERTIES, SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH IT. IT IS A LEADER IN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN NORTH FLORIDA AND IT'S A STAPLE HERE FOR 40 YEARS NOW. 11 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF PLOT PROPERTY AND GROWING. WITH ME TODAY IS RANDALL WHITFIELD WHO IS THE C COO OF COMPANY FOR 30 YEARS AND ALSO BEB PERRY WHO IS ONE OF OUR CONSIDERATION AT ASH PROPERTIES.

PROJECT AREA OF SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE'RE LOOK LIKE AT FOR THIS PROJECT YOU CAN SEE THIS IS OFF OF STATE ROAD THE WANT 207 NEAR WILDWOOD IN THE AREA OF BRIDGE HAUF ROAD AND WILDE BOOD.

LIKE AT THIS YOU CAN SEE WILDWOOD RODE FROM THE SOUTH, THE INTERSECTION OF WILDWOOD THAT HAS A GAS STATION AND OTHER COMMERCIAL USES AND THEN YOU CAN E BRINKHOFF ROAD WHICH HAS BEEN BUILT IN RECENT YEAGERS ITS INTERSECTION WITH 2017.

BOWTH ON THE SOUTH IS TREATY GROUND, TREATY PARK, ONE OF THE PEST PARKS IN THE COUNTY, AND THAT LAST RED SORT OF THAT LAST RED SORT OF THAT LAST RED SORT OF ODD SHAPED PARCEL IS WHERE PUB PLIKS IS BEING BUILT SO THE NEW PUBLIX ON 207 IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS SITE.

IN FACT, THIS IS A RECENT PHOTO OF PUBLIX TAKEN TWO ORALLY DAYS AGO. AEROTHREE DAYS AGO.

THEY'RE CALLING IT IS THE TREATY OAKS MARKETPLACE WHICH FICE IN WITH TREATY OAKS PUD AND THE TREATY OAKS PARK THAT'S CLOSE BY. LOOKING AT AN AERIAL, PULLED THIS OFF OF SIMBLER'S WEBSITE, SIMBLER IS DEVELOPING THE PUBLIC SITE, YOU CAN SEE THE LARGE PARNLG FIELD IN FRUNT OF PUBLIX BUTTAL OUT IN FRONT OF THE PARKING FIELD ARE OUT-PARCELS AND THOSE ARE. IDENTIFIED ON PUBLIX SITE PLAN AS WELL. THERE ARE PUBLIC OUT-PARCELS WHERE YOU SEE VARIOUS POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, RETAILED, IT WAS STATIONS, RESTAURANTS, COME THERE, I GUESS.

IN THIS AREA OUR SITE IS ALMOST DIRECTLY IN THE MIDDLE THERE IN THE DIFFERENT SHADE OF PURPLISH PINK HELP THIS IS A BIG STWAWTH, WAWTDZ SUSPECT PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING FROM 207 THROUGH MIXED USE IN IN HAD DWOAR DOOR. IN THE MIDDLE OUR SITE IS THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE SITE. IT'S ALREADY GOT ZONING IN PLACE FOR THIS USE. THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER SITES MR. AREA THAT ARE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND OVERALL AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S DOMINATED WITH A NUMBER OF PUDS.

THE PROJECT AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO CONSTRUCT IS A SELF STORAGE BUILDING ON THE FRONT OF THE PARCEL.

YOU CAN SEE IN THE DARKER GRAY AREA THAT'S GOT GREAT CIRCULATION FOR IN AND OUT GOING THROUGH THE SITE.

YOU CAN SEE A PARKING FIELD. IT'S A SMALLER PARKING FIELD BECAUSE SELF STORAGE DEMANDS SMALL SPACE FOR PARKING, GENERATES NEW TRIPS. I'LL COME BACK TO THAT.

SITE DATA TABLE, I JUST WANT TO THROW IT UP HERE VERY BRIEFLY SO YOU OVERALL THE PROJECT SITE IS 1,005 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME MATH IN A FEW MOMENTS.

I'M GOING PUT THIS UP HERE ALSO. THIS IS WHAT ATLANTIC SELF STORAGE LOOKS LIKE TODAY. THE THING THAT HAS OCCURRED AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, YOU LOOK A CONVENIENCE STORES AND WHAT THER AVERAGE CONVENIENCE STORE, YOU PICK ONE, CIRCLE K, RACETRACK, WHATEVER, WHAT THEY LOINGD TEN AND 20 YEARS AGO IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE TODAY. THE INDUSTRIES HAVE SELF-REGULATED THEMSELVES TO A BETTER-LOOKING PRODUCT.

THIS ATLANTIC SELF STORAGE IS AN ACTUAL BUILDING.

HIS WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING THESE DAYS.

THEY'RE THAT THE BOIDLE IT IS BECAUSE SOME ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN IMPOSED ON THEM.

THIS IS JUST THE WAY THE INDUSTRY HAS GONE.

CONSUMERS WANT TO GO 1K3 SPHOP TOP NATION-LOOKING CONVENIENCE STORE AND SELF STORAGE. IT LOOKS NICE.

IT GIVES YOU I AM THE IMPRESSION OF BEING SECURE WHICH IS SKI TO THE GI. THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE FROM THE BUILDING. PULL FROM THE CODE QUICKLY TO SHOW YOU THE SPECIFIC SECTION UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, MINI WAREHOUSE, PERSONAL PROPERTY, RECREATION VEHICLE, BOAT AND RV STORAGE, THIS ISN'T ONE OF THOSE USES BUT FORE I A PERSONAL PROPERTY MINI WAREHOUSE UNDER CIITES ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

MIXED USE AS I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WE'RE IN MIXED USE CORRIDOR HERE. NUMBER OF PRETTY INTENSIVE USES ARE ALLOWED UNDER FUTURE LAND USE MIXED USE WHICH IS WHY, IN

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AND HERE'S THE ISSUE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, COMS THE FLOOR AREA RATIO LIMITATION 70% IN THE MIXED USE DISTRICT.

WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT FOR THIS SPECIFIC SITE AND ALLOW FOR A HIGHER FLOOR AREA RATIO. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDINGS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMBINED BUILDING SIZE FOR MULTIPLE STORIES.

SO OFTENTIMES YOU THINK OF FLOOR AREA RATIO.

I KNOW AS A LAYPERSON I THINK OF FLOOR AREA RATIO HOW MUCH DOES IT COFORT ON SITE. IT'S ACTUALLY HOW MUCH TOTAL FEET IS THE BUILDING VERSUS THE ACTUAL SITE.

TO PUT SOME MATH TO THAT GOING BACK THAT TO THAT SITE DATA TABLE THAT'S IN OUR PLAN THAT I SHOWED YOU EARLIER, YOU CAN SEE THAT AT 105,000 SQUARE FEET, IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY 70 THE MAXIMUM BUILDINGS SIZE IS A 74,000 SQUARE FU BUILDINGS.

KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN I GO THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE A 74,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT'S COMMERCIAL SPHEFN, THE TYPES OF USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL SPHEFN INTENSIVE, THE TRAFFIC AND STRIPS THAT COULD BE GENERATED THERE VERSUS SELF STORAGE. THIS IS -- IN YOUR PACKET THIS IS THE SPECIFIC REQUEST. WE ARE LIMITING THE REQUEST SOLELY TO THIS SITE. THIS IS NOT A COUNTYWIDE CHANGE.

IT'S SOLELY FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

LOOKING AT THE STAFF REPORT, I THINK IT'S WORTH DOING THIS BECAUSE IN THE OLD DAYS WE'D HAVE STAFF, THEY WOULD PRESENT BEFORE THE APPLICANT BUT IT'S WORTH TO LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT AND SHE SEE WHAT'S IN THERE.

WE ARE WITHIN A DEVELOP. BOUNDARY.

IT'S MIXED USE. IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.

THERE'S NO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT OR REZONING NEEDED FOR SELF STORAGE. THAT'S OUR BIG CHANGE FROM 120% IS WHERE WE'D LIKE TO GO. WE DO NOT EXTEND THIS TO OTHER PERSONAL PROPERTY FACILITIES AND WE'RE LIMITING THIS STRICTLY TO THIS LOCATION. ADDITIONALLY IN THE STAFF REPORT THERE'S MORE DETAIL OBVIOUSLY. SO LET'S HIT SOME OF THOSE DETAILS THAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT.

CONCERN ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.

CONCERN ABOUT COMPATIBILITY. LANDSCAPING, BUFFERING, HEIGHT, BUILDING PLACEMENT MAY MITIGATE SOME OF THAT SCALE AND PLATION.

MANY OF THE POINTS MADE BY THE APPLICANT EVER VALID.

LOW TRAFFIC COUNT RELATIVE TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

MANY OTHER USES ALLOWED IN THE CI ZONING HAVE MORE NUISANCE RELATED AFFECTS. LET'S LOOK AT COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND WHAT THAT PLAN'S. IF YOU LOOK IN THE COUNTY CODE UNDER TABLE 2.0202, CI ALLOWS THESE USES, NEIGHBOR BUSINESS, GENERAL BUSINESS, THAT'S YOUR DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT, YOUR GAS STATION. HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.

HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL. OFFICE AND PROFESSIONAL.

NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC SERVICE. AND FINALLY GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE. PUBLIC SERVICE IS YOUR GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS. GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE ARE YOUR MORE INTENSE GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, IF YOU WILL.

I WANT TO LOOK AT TWO OF THOSE ZONING CLASS THOUGH.

ONE OF THOSE THAT IS LISTED THAT I JUST SHOWED IS YOU HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL. THEE USES ARE CHARACTERIZED BY OUTDOOR ACTIVE, OUTDOOR STORAGE. THESE USES ARE INTENSE AS MEASURED BY THE IMPACTS ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

THESE USES OFTEN HAVE AN ACTUAL POTENTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. SO THAT'S INTERESTING BAUERS THEY'RE INTENSE AND NECESSITY IMPACT ADJACENT OR POTENTIALLY IMPACT ADJACENT PROPERTIES IN CI.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OCCURS IN THIS CATEGORY.

WHAT KIND OF USES DOES IT INCLUDE? WELL, IT INCLUDES THESE THINGS. VEHICLE SAILINGS OF ALL KINDS, TRUCK STOPS, BODY SHOPS, ROAD SERVICES, YOU NAME IT, FARM AND GARDEN EQUIPMENT, LARGE SCALE SUPER CENTERS, BIG BOX STORES, TAVERNS, BARS, LOUNGES, BEDDING FACILITIES.

OUTSIDE KENNELS. KENNELS WITH ANIMAL BOARDING FACILITIES OUTSIDE. GARBAGE HAULERS.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A THING THAT WOULD SHOW P ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. BUT GARBAGE HAULERS AND FLEA MARKETS. ANOTHER USE ALLOWED UNDER COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, ANOTHER ZONING CATEGORY IS GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE. USES OFTEN OPERATE 24 HOURS HAVE A HIGH DEGREE OF OUTDOOR STORAGE AND OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AND MAY CAUSE A NUISANCE DUE TO NOISE AND HIGH LEVELS FRUK OR LARGE VEHICLE TRAFFIC. WHAT I'VE GOT DOWN THERE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS ACTUALLY A ZONING MAP AND THAT IS -- IT'S INTERESTING TO LOOK AT FROM THE AERIAL.

IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A STAR WARS FIGHTER SHIP OF SOME KIND BUT THAT'S THE JAIL. GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, ACTUALLY ALLOWS JAILS AND PERSISTS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. TYPICAL USES, AIRPORT,

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OBVIOUSLY PLACES THAT CAN JENNER NOISE.

GOVERNMENT OFFICES AND FACILITY'S.

WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS. WE ALL KNOW IF YOU'RE AROUND ONE OF THOSE OFTENTIMES THERE'S A SMELL IF YOU'RE DOWN WIND.

MAINTENANCE, GARAGE, STORAGE YARDS FOR SCHOOL BUS, HIGH CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT. AND THEN COMMUNICATIONS TOWERS, RADIO, TELEPHONE, MICROWAVE, RADIO AND TELEVISION STATIONS.

SELF STORAGE. IT'S WORTH TO IT TAKE AN OVERVIEW BECAUSE HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY OF STORAGE.

LET'S COMPARE IT TO WHAT'S ALLOWED IN CI.

MINIMUM TRAFFIC. LESS PARKING DEMAND.

IT HAS LOW NOISE. IT'S NOT A NUISANCE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BOTHER THE NEIGHBORS.

REALLY NO IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS TYPICALLY FROM THESE USES AND LESS IMPACTS ON PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES AND LOW IMPACT COMPARED TO OTHER CI USES.

ANOTHER COMPARISON, THIS IS A CHART THAT'S MADE FOR TRANSPORTATION AND TRIP GENERATION BUT IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT IN GENERAL. IF YOU LOOK AT A SERVICE STATION ICE 242 TIMES MORE TRIPS. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S THE EXTREME BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE MORE ONES, THERE'S TENS AND HUNDREDS TIMES MORE TRIPS VERSUS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR SELF STORAGE. 642.

A AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDINGS SIZE FOR BUILD SIZE.

I'M TALKING ABOUT SELF STORAGE. YOU HAVE BUT INTENSE PI, IMPACT, NOISE, TIRE SALES, YAWBL SERVICES.

NOISES WITH TRUCKS BACKING UP. IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN THERE YOU HAVE HEARD THE BEEP, BEEP, BEEP. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR BARKING DOGS IN QUENL. CAB NOT SHOP, WELDING SHOPS.

NOISE, NUISANCE. IF YOU HAVE A NIGHTCLUB OR A BAR YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME NOISE. AND GOING BACK TO THE BODY SHOP, THE OTHER THING YOU GET. ♪ JUST THE IMPACT WRENCH UP.

YOU GET THE DIE GRINDER. THEY LOOK COOL BECAUSE THEY FIRE OFF THE SPARKS BUT NOTHING IS LOUDER THAN A DIE GRINDER AND AN IMPACT WRENCH I THINK IF YOU'RE A NEIGHBOR.

TRAFFIC COMPARISON PUN LOOK AT SELF STORAGE AND THE DAILY TRIPS. THE A.M. PACKER HOUR, P.M. PEAK OUR TRIPS YOU'RE LOOKING AT 10,000EY SQUARE FOOT A AN EXAMPLE VERSUS A STROPG CENTER. HERE'S ONE.

IF YOU TAKE A TIP TYPICAL PUD YOU MIGHT GET BETWEEN THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THE STANDALONE RESTAURANT, YOU MIGHT GET 2900 DAILY TRIPS WITH SELF STORAGE.

BUT REMEMBER THAT'S ONLY A 28,000 SQUARE FOOT SITE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SITE WHERE WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE 74,000 SQUARE FEET SO YOU'D HAVE TO AT LEAST DOUBLE THAT NUMBER UP.

GET LOOSELY 6,000 TRIPS VERSUS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ASK YOU FOR TODAY OR WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU FOR TODAY IS SOMETHING THAT WILL GENERATE 160, LESS THAN 200 TRIPPS.

SELF STORAGE FLOOR AREA. IT IS JUST CONTRIBUTES TO URBAN SPRAWL. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A BIGGER SITE TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING, SO THAT TECHNICALLY IS URBAN SPRAWL. THE IMPACT REALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE IMPACT OF THE BUILDING, IT REALLY IS MEASURED BY THE FIRST FLOOR. WE WERE WOULD WE WOULD SO YOU. SO FOR THIS PURPOSE, FOR THIS USE IT'S REALLY LOW INTENSITY COMPARED TO THE USE, AND AGAIN SELF STORAGE INDUSTRY EXPERIENCES FEWER DEMANDS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICE. THE SECURITY OF THE PROPERTY IS AN ABSOLUTE MUST. YOU CAN IMAGINE.

NO ONE IS GOING TO STORE THEIR GOODS IN A CITY OF STORAGE FACILITY UNLESS IT'S SECURE AND AGAIN NO NOISE OR NUISANCE COMPARED TO THE OTHER COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USES.

GOING BACK TO YOUR SITE PLAN WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY SLAIRNSES OR WAIVERS OTHER THAN OBVIOUSLY THIS FLOOR AREA RATIO ISSUE.

YOU COULD HAVE ANY COMBINATION OF CI USES ON HERE AND MOST OF THOSE ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THIS SITE.

AND INTERESTINGLY, YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING FIELD, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THE ACCESS WRAPPING AROUND.

YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING FIELD. THERE'S A POND IN THE BACK IN BETWEEN THE POND AND IF BUILDING IS THE PARKING FIELD, BUT IF I TAKE AND COVER THE PARKING FIELD WITH A BUILDING AND WHERE THE SELF STORAGE BUILDING IS GRIDDED OUT THERE IN FRONT AND TURN THAT INTO A PARKING FIELD, THAT POTENTIALLY IS A 74,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS, OBVIOUSLY YOU COULD MAKE IT BIGGER OR IT COULD BE TWO-STORY, THAT POTENTIALLY IS A 74,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING IS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USES SUCH AS A BRAKE STORE, A TIRE STORE, YOU KNOW, ANY NUMBER -- OIL CHANGE FACILITY, ANY NUMBER OF USE THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF NOISE AND BE POTENTIAL'S

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THIS IS THE BRAND NEW PUBLIC SITE.

AFTER THAT TO THE NORTH IS AN APARTMENT PROJECT THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN WHERE IT JUST CAME IN AND SHOWED OUT PARCEL C, OUT PARCEL C IS THE TIP OF THE BENSHIP PARCEL. ITES 250,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND THOSE KIND OF USE.

RIGHT ABOVE THE APARTMENT PROJECT THAT'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, RIGHT ABOVE THAT WHERE YOU CAN SEE HOUSES LAID OUT IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT POSITIONS THAT DON'T SEEM TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE, THAT'S ACTUALLY A MANUFACTURED HOME SALES CENTER. THAT'S THAT MANUFACTURED HOME SALES CENTER ON 207 THAT YOU PASS.

IF YOU LOOK DOWN IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO OUR SITE, THE LOUDEST USER THAT YOU WILL FIND ANYWHERE ON THIS PICTURE IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO OUR SITE WHERE THOUGH TRACTOR-TRAILER TRAILER LOOKING VEHICLES AND OTHER VEHICLES OR THAT SITE.

NESS A TOWING FACILITY. I THINK THEY DO VEHICLE REPAIR THERE AS WELL. LESS THE IMPACT WRENCH AND THE BEEP, BEEP, AND THE DIE GRINDER FROM THAT SITE.

NEXT DOOR IS AN OUTDOOR KENNEL, AND NEXT TO THAT IS AN EQUINE/HORSE REHABILITATION VET CLINIC SPOT.

SO WE THINK FOR THIS USE IT MAKES GREAT SENSE THAT WE SLIDE IN A SELF STORAGE FACILITY. MY CLIENT AGAIN OWNS THE PROPERTY ALREADY. AND WE JUST THINK IT FITS GREAT IN THIS LOCATION, SO WE'D RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT FOR IN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

BEEN AGAIN, ITS UNIQUE TO THIS LOCATION.

AND WITH THAT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OF COURSE, RANDALL AND BEN ARE HERE AS WELL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAVE SOME QUHES, COMMENTS.

I. AGREE THIS IS A PERFECT LOCATION FOR THIS MIXED USE RIGHT THERE ON 207. ITES A GREAT SPOT FOR IT, GREAT LOCATION RIGHT ACROSS THERE PUBLIX AND ALL AND I ID ADD POLIT THAT THE BUILDINGS LOOK A LOT BETTER THESE DAYS THAN THEY USED TO. I'VE SEEN MANY OF THE ATLANTIC SELF STORAGE BUILDINGS AROUND TOWN IN THE UKRAINE AND THEY COK GREAT. IF YOU WERE ASKING FOR A FLORIDA AREA RATIO -- FLOOR AREA RATIO FAR OF 70, 75%, I MEAN, IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR FOR 74,000 SQUARE FEET, 75,000, IF YOU WERE CLOSE TO THAT COMP PLAN STANDARD RIGHT NOW OF 70% PAR, SIGN ME UP. I'D BE VOTING FOR THIS IN A SECOND. I AGREE WITH YOU, IT'S A GREAT SITE FOR IT. BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR NEARLY DOUBLE THAT, I MEAN, FROM 70 TO 120 PERCENT, AND I AGREE I CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, IN URBAN AREAS BUILDING UP, NOT OUT, PRESERVE SOME LAND, AND I GET THAT CONCEPT AND CAN EMBRACE IT IS IN CERTAIN AREAS, BUT NI THIS IS GOING TO SET A REALLY BAD PRECEDENT. I KNOW QULOO YOU'RE SAYING.

THIS IS SPECIFIC ONLY FOR THIS SITE.

BUT IT'S GOING TO SET A BAD PRECEDENT.

IT'S GOING TO OPEN THIS UP TO OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN AND ASKING FOR SAME THING. OH, A APPROVED DOUG BURN EATS AND SO WHY NOT THIS ONE? WHAT IS IT THAT IS SO EXCEPTIONAL ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SITE THAT WARRANTS

THE 120% INCREASE. >>

>> AND I KNOW RENO IS COMING UP HERE.

I WHAT AN TO ANSWER 2020 PARTS AND I'LL REQUEST RANDLE TOAL JOIN ME TO WEIGH IN ON WHAT I DON'T COVER.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SELF STORAGE THAT'S IN THIS AREA, IT'S THE OLD TRADITIONAL STIEHL SELF STORAGE, LIGHTSEYY ROAD IS AN EXAMPLE IT'S THE OLD STYLE SELF STORAGE, LOW BUILDINGS, ONE STORY, LONG LINEAR, AND A ROLL-UP DOOR WHERE YOU COULD NOT QUITE GET A CAR IN A LOT OF THE TIMES.

IT LOOKS LIKE YOU COULD STORE AN ANTIQUE DEMAR THERE BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T STORE AN ANTIQUE CAR FOR IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT

THE DEPTH FOR IT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: UNLESS IT'S

A M DPVMENT MITT JET. >> SPEAKER: RIGHT.

AND ALMOST ALWAYS WITH THAT KIND THEY'RE NO AIR CONDITIONED.

SO THEY DO HAVE A USE FOR THAT. I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT USE IS MORE OFTEN MORE COMMERCIAL, MORE INTENSE THAN WHAT IT'S COMING TO AND FROM. IT WOULD BE THE GUY THAT'S

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: YEP, YEP. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING

ABOUT. >> SPEAKER: YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN ROAD OF ENTRADA ALIGNS WITH THE TOP ROAD WHICH IS WILDWOOD AND THAT'S THE ENTRANCE TO END TRAWDA.

BACK THERE IS 956 HOMES, I THINK IT IS, SO ALMOST 1,000 HOMES.

AND THIS BUSINESS FUNCTIONS BECAUSE YOU HAVE SELF STORAGE THAT'S AIR CONDITIONED, AND PEOPLE A LOT OF THE TIMES STORE, THEY HAVE INHERITED A BEDROOM SET OR A DINING ROOM SET, AND ONE GOES TO THE STORAGE, ONE STAYS A HOME, AND THEY WANT TO STORE IT IN AIR CONDITIONED SPACE.

THE HOLIDAY DECORATIONS, CHRISTMAS, HALLOWEEN, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, THAT GETS A COMMAND AND PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT TO DETERIORATE. THIS IS THE MODERN STYLE SELF STORAGE BUILDING, NOT THE LINEAR TYPE.

SO IT IS DIFFERENT, AND THE DEMAND, THEY BELIEVE IS STRONGLY THERE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR THE AREA, AND AGAIN, IF IT'T FITS NICELY ON THE SITE WHEN YOU CONSIDER WHAT'S THERE AND THE NOISE AND NUISANCE THEY'LL POTENTIALLY PROJECT FROM THE EXISTING BUSINESSES IN AREA.

RANDALL, YOU WANTED TO OOD SOMETHING?

>> I'M RANDALL WHITFIELD 780 -- [INDECIPHERABLE] JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA AND WE HAVE BEEN IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BUSINESS FOR 40 YEARS. I'VE BEEN WITH THE COMPANY LIKE 34 YEARS. AND WE DEVELOP OFFICE BUILDINGS, RETAIL SHOPPING CENTERS, AND CERTAINLY WE DEVELOP SELF STORAGE. THE SELF STORAGE PRODUCT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, AND IT HAS EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS, AND I CAN APPRECIATE YOUR VIEW OF OUR NEWER SELF STORAGE PRODUCT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE WE'VE COME TO.

THE PUBLIC HAS DEMANDED THAT THEY LOOK GOOD, THEY FEEL GOOD IN ORDER TO ENTICE PEOPLE IN TO STORE THEIR GOODS.

THEY ARE CLIMATE CONTROLLED. THEY'RE CENTRALLY LOADED.

IN OUR INSTANCE HERE, WHAT MAKES THIS SITE SO GOOD IS THAT WE HAVE A GREAT BYPASS IN THE BACK OF BUILDING WHERE WE CAN LOAD AND UNLOAD, SO IT'S NOT VISIBLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

NOW, THESE BUILDINGS COST A LOT OF MONEY TO BUILD.

A LOT OF PLOIN TO BUILD. AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN ECONOMICS IN ORDER TO RECOUP THAT, TO RECOVER THAT.

AND WE HAVE DEVELOPED THROUGHOUT OUR PROCESS TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS THING BE PROFITABLE FOR US AND NOT JUST PULL US AWAY FROM HAVING ANY KIND OF PROFIT WHATSOEVER& I KNOW THAT'S A DIRTY WORD IN TODAY'S GENERAL VIEW OF THE PUBLIC. BUT WHEN WE DO THIS, WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED AND OUR MODEL IS THERE, AND WE HAVE DEVELOPED A PROTOTYPE, AND AS DOUG HAS POINTED OUT, WHEN THESE FOUR-YEAR RATIOS IN THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT THEY AR USED IN, AND THEY'RE NOT IN ALL MUNICIPALITIES.

SOME HAVE NO FLOOR AREA RATIO. THEY LET THE PARKING, THE SETBACKS, THE DEVELOPMENT EDGES, IF THERE ARE ONE, DETERMINE WHAT KIND OF BUILDING AND WHAT SIZE BUILDING YOU CAN PUT ON THAT LOT. SO WE MEET ALL CRITERIA FOR OUR BUILDING OF THE 120% THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, AND NOT HAVE TO ASK FOR ANY WAIVERS FOR PARKING, NO WAIVERS FOR SETBACKS.

WE'RE CONTAINED. AND WE ALSO HAVE DEVELOPED OUR BUILDING SO OUR HEIGHT IS ONLY 47 FEET TO THE ROOFLINE.

SO WE'RE A SMALLER BUILDING THAN MANY OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT YOU WILL LOOK AT AND APPROVE TODAY.

PROBABLY LESS THAN THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING IN ACROSS THE STREET FROM US. SO YOU HAVE TODAY BUILDINGS LIKE

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THIS IS OUR FOOTPRINT. THIS IS OUR BUILDING.

IT WORKS IN EVER SENSE, IN EVERY GUARD.

THE FLOOR EVER AREA RATIO IS AN OLD THING.

IF THE BUILDING FITS AND YOU HAVE ALL THE OTHER YIERT MET, WHY CAN'T WE DO IT? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE ASKING FOR YOU TODAY, JUST ALLOW US TO PUT IN THE BUILDING, AND WE KNOW THAT IT WILL BE A VERY USED BUILDING.

WE KNOW THAT THE DEMAND IS THERE.

AND TO BUILD AN UNDERSIZED BUILDING BECAUSE WE'RE LIMITED TO THE FLOOR AREA RATIO IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, WE'D HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER SITE AND BUILD ANOTHER BUILDING, SO WHY NOT DO IT IN ONE WHEN WE CAN CONTAIN IT IN A 47-FOOT HIGH STRUCTURE AND

HAVE IT ALL IN ONE PLACE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: GOOD ANSWER AND INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE ON IT, AND SINCE YOU DO THIS FOR A LIVING, IT'S GOOD TO HEAR YOUR VIEWPOINT ON IT, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. IT DID STATE IN THE APPLICATION THAT THE BUILDING HEIGHT WAS GOING TO BE 53.6 FEET UP POSSIBLY TO 60 FEET, THAT IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY, IT WOULD BE

60 FEET. >> DR. HILSENBECK, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY ON THAT AND I'LL LET RANDALL ANSWER, BUT I THINK HE IS GED THE DEAD ON THE NUMBER. I AM GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE APPLICATION AND MATERIALS THAT WE FILED.

>> IT'S 53.6. >> I WONDER IF THAT'S ON THAT ELEVATION DRAWING OR SOMETHING ELSE.

>> IT'S IN THE TEXT. I DAAL GET THEM ELECTRONICALLY.

>> SPEAKER: THE NUMBER HE SAID IS NUMBERS WE'RE DOING ON PROJECTS SO I KNOW THE 45 TO 47 IS THE NUMBER.

I ALSO LOOKED AT CI. CI WILL ALLOW THIS HEIGHT.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S 5 MORE FEET OF SETBACK FOR 5 FEET THAT YOU GO UP, BUT IT WORK ON THE SITE WITHOUT HAVING ON GET A WAIVER OR VARIANCE TORT HEIGHT HANCHTS SO THE OTHER ONES Y'ALL HAVE BUILT AROUND TOWN, WHAT'S THE FAR ON THOSE?

DO YOU NO OFFHAND? >> SPEAKER: LOCATION, LOCATION. I COULDN'T SIT HERE AND TELL YOU WHAT THEY ARE, BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD IT IF WE DID NOT HAVE THE PROPER FLOOR AREA RATIO.

DUVAL COUNTY HAS NO FLOOR AREA RATIO.

MANY COUNTIES WE DEAL IN HAVE NO FLOOR AREA RATIO.

SO IT DEPEND ON WHERE WE ARE, AND IF WE DO HAVE ONE IN DUVAL COUNTY -- I'M SORRY -- IN ST. JOHNS THAT WOULD EXCEED THE 70% ON THAT LITTLE PAD, IT'S PAUSE WE'VE GOT LIKE I STATED, WETLANDS OR OTHER GROUNDS AVAILABLE TO US OR IT COULD BE AN OVERALL DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE HAVE RETAIL ON PART OF IT AND STORAGE ON PART OF IT AND THE OVERALL EFFECT WOULD BE WITHIN THE RATIO, IS THE FLOOR AREA RATIO.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

I DON'T WANT TO PROLONG THIS. IT'S GETTING LATE.

IT'S NEARLY 7:00. I DO HAVE A LOT OF OTHER COMMENTS AND CONCERNS, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THEM RIGHT NOW. OR AT ALL, PROBABLY.

BUT I TO DO WANT TO POINT OUT I WAS GOING TO READ FROM THE STAFF REPORT AND THEIR CONCERNS AND THEY'RE QUITE VALID HERE.

AND WHEN THE STAFF HAS CONCERNS, THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ME THAT I USUALLY GO WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THESE, BUT I'M GOING TO STOP ANY QUESTIONING AT THIS POINT

AND -- >> AND HEY, DOC, CAN YOU HOLD THAT AND DO THAT AFTER SO THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH REBUTTAL? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU DOING IT.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO START MORE VOLUME BACK AND FORTH.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WAS JUST GOING TO READ SPHRIT, BUT I UNDERSTAND IN THE DESIRE TO EXPEDITE THE REST OF THE OF THE

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MEETING, SURE. >> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE TWO QUESTIONS THAT KIND OF PART A AND PART B. SO CRA USES ARE ALLOWED ON THIS SITE. IS THIS 120% BEING RESTRICTED TO THE SELF STORAGE USE OR IF YOU DO SOME OTHER USE, IS IT

RESTRICTED? >> NO, SIR.

WE'RE LIMIT OFFING SPISKTLY TO THIS LOCATION AND LIMITING SPHISKLY SPECIFIC RI TO THE SEF STORAGE USE.

ALTHOUGH I THINK I JUST -- >> MR. MATOVINA: I DON'T SEE

THAT ANYWHERE. >> SPEAKER: FLOOR RATIO FOR SELF STORAGE USE. THAT'S THE ACTUAL EXHIBIT B IN YOUR PACKET. THIS COULD BE TO COMP PLAN

AMENDMENT. >> MR. MATOVINA: YOU FLASHED IT HAD UP THERE SO FAST I COULDN'T READ IT.

>> SPEAKER: THIS WOULD BE THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE THAT WOULD BE ADD TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT WOULD BE SUB 15, AND IT'S SPECIFIC TO THIS SITE AND SPECIFIC FOR SELF STORAGE.

ANY OTHER USE, THIS WOULDN'T EVEN BE ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU COULD COME IN AND SAY I WANT TO USE 120% --

>> MR. MATOVINA: YOU'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO MY QUESTION OF LESS CONCERN BECAUSEY KNOW THIS COMPANY, I KNOW MR. RANDOLPH VERY WELL, AND I KNOW THEY DO NICE WORK, IS THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS DOESN'T BECOME A CUBE SMART OR A U-HAUL WHICH, OF COURSE, THE BUILDING WOULDN'T LOOK QUITE THE SAME.

I ASSUME IN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR HERE.

>> SPEAKER: I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE'VE BEEN SHOWN THIS PICTURE OF A VERY NICE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ALL BUILD, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT IT -- THAT YOU DON'T SELL THE SITE AND IT BECOMES A CUBE SMART OR A U-HAUL OR -- I DON'T THINK THEIR BUILDING WOULD QUITE LOOK LIKE YOUR BUILDING.

>> SPEAKER: NO, SIR. AND WE DIDN'T GET INTO ANY OF THE HISTORY OF MY COMPANY, BUT WE DO NOT FIND A PROPERTY AND FLIP IT TO SOMEONE ELSE THE FIRST PROPERTY WE EVER BUILT AND DEVELOPED IS STILL IN OUR PORTFOLIO TODAY, SO OUR METHOD OF OPERATING, IF YOU WANT TO DESCRIBE IT THAT WAY, IS WE FIND SITES OR ACQUIRE SITES AND WE BUILD THE BUILDING WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO BUILD AND WE MANAGE IT, WE LEASE IT, AND WE KEEP IT IN PORTFOLIO. SO THAT'S OUR COMPANY POLICY, AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE OPERATE, AND SO BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR 40 YEARS, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN AND NOT SELL THAT PROPERTY. IT WILL BE IN OUR PORTFOLIO.

>> MR. MATOVINA: I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

SO DR. HILSENBECK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THAT NOW?

I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OH, YOU

WOO? >> MR. MATOVINA: I WASN'T

TRYING TO CUT OFF. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AT YOUR REQUEST, SIR. AT YOUR REQUEST.

THIS IS IN THE STAFF REPORT PAGE 9 AT THE BOTTOM.

IT SAYS, "STAFF AGREES THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS AS DEPICTED IN THE APPLICATION SUCH AS THAT ILLUSTRATION Y'ALL SHOWED HAS SOME SOME ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT BE HELP REDUCE THE VISUAL IMPACT HOWEVER STAFF IS CONCERNED THAT IT WILL BE THE LARGEST BUILDING ALONG THIS COMMERCIAL STRETCH OF STWHOODZ.

THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN FAR FURTHER EXACERBATES THIS DIFFERENCE IN BULK TO SITE RESULTING IN COMPATIBILITY CONCERNS WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA." AND I COULD GO ON. IT SAYS, "THESE USES -- IT'S TALKING ABOUT OTHER USES IN THE AREA DO NOT EXCEED 35 FEET, BUT THEY DO PENG PUBD RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD THERE LAST AN FAR OF ON 11% IS A HEIGHT OF 36 FEET. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT SCALE, PASS AND BULK, THAT IS WHAT RAISES THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST -- I'M CONCERNED ABOUT OPENING THE DOOR TO A COMP PLAN POLICY CHANGE.

YOU SAY IT WILL APPLY ONLY TO THIS ONE, DOUG, BUT I DON'T -- I THINK IT SETH A PRECEDENT. THAT'S WHAT I'LL SAY.

AND THAT'S ALL I NEED OR WANT TO SAY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, DR. HILSENBECK.

SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION AT THIS POINT.

INTNCHTS I'M SORRY, MR. MAT SPREEN A.

DID WE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, JUST FOR THE RECORD?

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. I WAS TRYING TO SKIP THAT.

>> DR. DO WE HAVE I ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

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>> MR. PIERRE: NO SPEAKER CARDS.

>> AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE WORD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. RANDOLPH, IT'S ALMOST 7:00.

>> SPEAKER: I'LL BE VERY BRIEF.

>> MR. MATOVINA: NO, WE'RE DONE, SIR.

>> SPEAKER: I'M SORRY. I NOT SOMEBODY ASKED IF THERE

WERE COMMENTS FROM HIS COMMENTS. >> MR. MATOVINA: FROM THE PUBLIC. YOU'RE THE APPLICANT.

AM I RIGHT? >>

>> AND I FAIL TO BE PUBLIC NOW. >> MR. MATOVINA: WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MR. PIERRE.

>> MR. PIERRE: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE TRANSMITTAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENT PLAN 2022-03 STATE ROAD 207 AND WILD WHOOD SELF STORAGE BASED FOUR FINDINGS OF FACTS AS PROVIDED FLTD THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE'VE GOT A RECOMMENDING OF APPROVAL FROM MR. PIERRE AND WE'VE GOT A SECOND FROM MR. WILSON.

IS THERE DISCUSSION? >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU HAVE ONE DISCUSSION ITEM. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY. I'M INTERESTED IN THE POINT YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE. THAT'S MY QUESTION.

SIR. >> SPEAKER: AS I HAD HEARD YOU EARLIER TODAY ALLUDE TO THE FACT THAT THAT ENTIRE AREA, IT'S CHANGING DRAMATICALLY TODAY. NEXT DOOR TO US, IF YOU WANT TO COMPARE COMPATIBILITIES AND DESIRABILITY, WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ON THAT ROAD, AS DOUG HAS POINTED OUT, IS AN OUGHT AUTO REPAIR SHOT AND TOWING AND STORAGE AREAS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE. RIGHT DOWN FROM US FLECK TO PUBLIX IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED, I BELIEVE, AND IF YOU BROABL PUT A TAPE TO IT, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND OUT THEY'RE PROAT CLOSE TO OUR HEIGHT.

AND, YES, WE'LL STAY AT THE 47 FEET TO THE ROOFLINE.

WE'LL DO THE ARCHITECTURE THAT WE SHOWED YOU.

WE'LL MAKE THAT PART OF OUR PACKAGE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. BUT WE KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS THAT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PRODUCE, BUT IF IT WILL HELP IN ANY WAY, WE'LL CERTAINLY COMMIT TO DOING IT EXACTLY THAT WAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. RANDOLPH, WHEN YOU COME BACK TO US FOR TRANSMITTAL, IT WOULD MAKE

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