Jul 21, 2022 Planning and Zoning Agency

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>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO OASHED, AND LET'S STAND FOR THE LEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

ALL RIGHT. MS. PERKINSING WITH WOULD YOU WANT TO READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT, PLEASE.

>> MS. PERKINS: YES, SIR. THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST DO SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER. ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN.

SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF.

THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY CHAIRMAN WHICH IS THREE MINUTES.

SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.

IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.

ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD.

THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOSHT ANNUALS OR THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY.

IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. CIVILITY CLAUSE.

WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE.

WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES.

WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

BEFORE WE GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD YOU WANT TO WELCOME MR. EUGENE WILSON AS A NEW MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE.

IT'S HIS FIRST MEETING. I ALSO WANT TO WELCOME HALE WHO IS A MEMBER OF THE TEAM OVER THERE AND WAS NICE US IN TO SUPPLY US EACH WITH A CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIE WHICH WAS DELICIOUS.

THANK YOU, HALEY. YOU DID A GREAT JOB.

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WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR EACH OF THESE ITEMS THAT WILL COME SEPARATELY, BUT DURING THIS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD YOU CAN SPEAK ON ANYTHING OAT AGENDA OR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ON THE GEND IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO OFFER ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? OKAY. THAT BEING SAID, MR. MAUCH, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 1 AND WE'RE GOING THE SWITCH THE ORDER OF 2 AND 3 AROUND SO NUMBER 2 IS GOING TO

GO AFTER NUMBER 3. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

AGENCY MEMBERS AND MR. CHAIR. RYAN MAUCH WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT. AND THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER 1 AND NUMBER 3, WILL BE HEARD BACK TO BACK SO THERE WILL BE TWO MOTIONS WITHIN THIS PRESENTATION.

THE FIRST ITEM IS IMT HISTORIC ORDINANCE.

IT'S A TO REPLACE THAT. IT'S A AD VALOREM TAX ORDINANCE.

THERE WERE TWO ORDINANCES ONE FROM 1997 AND ONE FROM 2009 THAT UPDATED THAT WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE REQUIREMENTS, PROCESS AND FORMS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES SEEKING AN AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION. A LITTLE BACKGROUND HERE.

PREVIOUS ORDINANCES WHY WERE ENACTED PRIOR TO THE COUNTY CULTURAL RESOURCE BOARD, THE CRRB, AND REFERENCED THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AS A ADVISORY AGENCY AND THIS CHANGE WILL RIKDZ THE CRRB ASAS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR ALL AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION APPLICATIONS FOR

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AND THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.

SO AGAIN, THERE'S TWO MOTIONS BASED ON AGENDA ITEMS 3 AND 1.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? HEARING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR ITEMS 1 AND 3? NO SPEAKER CARDS.

SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR THE MOTION.

MR. MAUCH, I'D JUST MENTION ONE THING.

I'D JUST MAKE SURE TWHUG TO THE BOARD, THAT ALL D. WHEN YOU GO TO THE BOARD, THAT ALL OF THESE CAPITALIZED TERMS IN THE ON THE OTHER HAND WITH ITEM NUMBER 1, THAT THEY'RE ALL DEFINED.

I DON'T SEE IN OUR MATERIALS A DEFINITION OR CULTURAL RESOURCES AND COMPLETED WORK, BOTH OF WHICH ARE CAPITALIZED ITEMS IN

HERE . >> AND CERTAINLY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THEY MAY BE IN ANOTHER PART OF THE CODE.

I'M JUST SUGGESTING. WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 1. MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO REPEAL ORDINANCE 1997-61 AND ORDINANCE 2009-59 AND ADOPTING A REVISED AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION ORDINANCE FINDING THE MODIFICATIONS CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA LAW AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PLANCHTS MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK.

IS THERE ANY COMMENT? GOOD JOB, HALEY, SEEING NONE.

THAT MOTION PASSES. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 3.

IS THERE A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBE 3?

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION FOR RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO AMEND ARTICLE 11 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FINDING THE MODIFICATIONS CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA LAW AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY MS. . IS THERE A SECOND?

>> MS. PERKINS: ARTICLE 12. >> MR. MATOVINA: SECOND BY MR. .

[2. Amendment to Article IV, Section 4.01.09.E.3 of the Land Development Code.]

THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. MS. BREWER, YOU'RE UP NEXT.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. TARE TARA DODSON GROWTH MANAGEN PLACE OF JAN TBRIEWR. THIS AFTERNOON I'M TWENTY PRESENTING TO YOU A REQUEST TO DEL IN AN EFFORT TO CLARIFY AND SIMPLIFY THE TEXT FOR BETTER UNDERSTANDING.

IN 20 FLEAN THE COUNTY INCORPORATED THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS FOR BRESKS MARINE TURTLES UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 4. THAT PROVIDES EXTERIOR LIGHT FIXTURES ON EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE THE MARINE TURTLE PROTECTIONS AND SHALL BE MODIFIED WITH ONE OR MORE OF THE TEN OPTIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED IN IN SECTION.

AND THOSE SECTIONS ARE INCLUDED ON THE SLIDE HERE, AND WE'RE REFERRING TO NUMBER 3. THE ORIGINAL APPROVED TEXT READS RELAYS TRA LITIGATIONAL LIGHT BUBILITIESZ WITH YELLOW BUG LIGHT PUBLIC WITH LOW PRESSURE BUBBLES, ET CETERA.

WHEN THE LEVMENTDC CHANGES WERE APPROVED IT WAS INDIRECTLY CITED AND THE SECTION CURRENTLY READS REPLACE DRA DIGS LIGHT BULBS 25 AND LOW SODIUM AMBER/ORANGE, ET CETERA.

THE CURRENT TEXT IS NOT WHAT WAS APPROVED, AND READS AS THOUGH THE BULBS REQUIRE REPLACEMENT WHICH IS INCORRECT.

IN ADDITION THE TERM "TRADITION ALIGHT BULB" IS VAGUE AND IS NOT DEFINED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

STAFF WOULD LIKE TO CORRECT THE ISSUE WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE TO BRING CLARITY AND SIMPLIFICATION WITH THE TEXT.

THEREFORE, WE WOULD LIKE TO DELETE WHAT IT CURRENTLY READS AND REPLACE IT WITH CORRECT, SIMPLIFIED AND CLEAR SEX READING REPLACE REPLACE ALL EXTERIOR LIGHT BULBS WITH AMBER, RED OR ORANGE COLORED POLLS LOW PRESSURE SODIUM BUBBLES OR TRUE NEON RED LIGHTING, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

SO THE LANGUAGE WAS INCORRECT AND WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE IT WITH THE CORRECT LANGUAGE, AND SO WITH THAT SAID THERE ARE TWO MOTIONS FOR A RECOMMENDATION TODAY, EITHER APPROVAL ORE

DENIAL TO THE BCC. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, ANY SPEAKER CARDS? BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

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MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO AMEND ARMING 4 SECTION 4 4.01.09.

>> EMISSION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND WYE MR. PETER.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE

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THAT MOTION PASSES. AND IF YOU EVER HAVE GONE OUT EARLY IN THE MORNING AND SAW WHERE A TURTLE CAME IN AND LAID EGGS AND WENT BACK OUT, IT'S A PRETTY COOL THING TO SEE.

>> SPEAKER: IT IS PRETTY COOL. YES, IT IS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

WE ARE GOING OUT OF ORDER NOW TO ACCOMMODATED APPLICANT WHO NEEDS AN INTERPRETER SO WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER 9 SO WE ARE READY RIGHT NOW FOR MR. VOACIALG E UP AND MAKE A PRESENTATION.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, MAJOR LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY NAME IS KEVIN --

>> MR. MATOVINA: HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

MA'AM, COULD YOU GET IN FRONT OF THAT MICROPHONE A LITTLE BETTER.

YEAH, GO AROUND THE OTHER SIDE. THERE YOU GO.

NO, NO, NO. GO AROUND HIS SIDE AND FACE THE MICROPHONE AND GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOU.

THAT'LL WORK. YES.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS KEVIN VOELKER.

I'M APPLYING FOR A CARPORT SETBACK VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ZVAR 20 II 13 VOLCKER CARPORT @ 2932 GRAY JAY 7 SO THE HARDSHIP PARAMETERS, I BOUGHT MY HOME IN 2015, AND THEY HAVE A CONCRETE PAD ON THERE. I WAS LOOKING TO BUILD A CARPORT THAT WILL ALLOW SOME SHADE FOR MY CAR AND COVER UNDERNEATH IT.

I HAVE A NARROW PIECE OF LAND, AND THERE'S NO OTHER PLACE TO PUT THE CARPORT. THE CARPORT WOULD BE TOO SMALL TO BE BUILT WITH LITERAL CODE ENFORCEMENT.

THIS IS THE VARIANCE PROPOSAL PLAN TO SHOW THE PROCESS WITH MY BROTHER HERE. MY CARPORT WILL BE BUILT ON THE CONCRETE PAD. THE THE CARPORT WILL NOT BE OVER THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND WILL BE LOWER THAN THE HOUSING HEIGHT.

THIS SETBACK VARIANCE REQUEST WILL BE FOR THE CARPORT TO BE ON THE EXISTING CONCRETE PAD THAT'S THERE.

THE PROPOSAL MEASUREMENTS, THE SETBACK WILL BE 8 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE. THE EXISTING CONCRETE PAD WILL BE ABOUT 5 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

THE CARPORT WILL BE BUILT ON THE CONCRETE, THE ALREADY EXISTING CONCRETE PAD. MY BAROMETER FOR THE CARPORT WILL BE TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE BY ABOUT 4 FEET.

OH, TO THE ROOF, OF THE ROOF. 4 FEET.

SORRY, INTERPRETER. THESE ARE PHOTOS OF MY FRIEND DWAYNE SWELL'S CARPORT. HE LIVES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

HE USED THE SAME BUILDER THAT I PLAN TO USE.

THIS IS THE EXAMPLE OF THE CARPORT DESIGN.

ON THE FLORIDA MANUFACTURERS HOMES BUILDER, THESE ARE PHOTOS OF NEARBY HOMES THAT THE CARPORT ALSO BUILT BY ALL FLORIDA MANUFACTURED HOMES. MY PROPOSED CARPORT WOULD BE LIKE THIS DESIGN. IT WILL VIEW THE AREA FOR THE HOME FOR ACCESS, AND THE FRONT VIEW IN MY PROPOSAL WILL BE OF

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MR. MURAL HAS WENT AHEAD AND SUBMITTED A LETTER AS A PART OF OUR VARIANCE REQUEST FORT SUBMISSION TO THE COUNTY, AND IT SAYS "TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, AT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT I TOLD KEVIN THIS VARIANCE REQUEST, IF APPROVED BY THE COUNTY, HAS BEEN PRE-APPROVED BY ME." SO THE HARDSHIP EXPLANATION, THEY WOULD NOT BE A POSED TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO MY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR. SO THE NEIGHBOR HAS BEEN CONSULTED AND PRE-APPROVED OF THIS STRUCTURE, IF APPROVED, AND IT WILL -- OH, THERE WILL BE NO ISSUES THAT HAVE COME IN FROM THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION EFFORTS. THE PROPERTY IS NOT VERY WIDE AND IT'S JUST TO PARK THE CAR, AND THERE'S NO OTHER LOCATION ON OUR PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN UNUSUAL SHAPE AND WILL BE ON THE PROPERTY LINES. IF INTERPRETED IN A STRAIGHT SETBACK CODE WOULD BE PREVENTING THE HOMEOWNER FROM HAVING A COVERED CARPORT FOR SHADE AND COVERED HOME ACCESS.

AND RIGHT NOW IT'S TOO SMALL, AND THE PROPOSAL CARPORT WOULD BE TOO SMALL TO BE BUILT WITH THE LITERAL CODE ENFORCEMENT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR VIEWING MY CARPORT SETBACK VARIANCE REQUEST. AND MY NAME IS KEVIN VOLCKER.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

>> MR. MATOVINA: BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO QUESTIONS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE?

>> YES, SIR. I DROVE BY YESTERDAY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: A MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PER MIT -- EXCUSE ME. MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2022-13 VOELKER CARPORT 2932 GRAY JAY BASED UPON SEVEN CONDITIONS AND FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDE IN THE STAFF

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REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY MS. .

SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION IN HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. CONGRATULATIONS, MR. VOELKER.

GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR EXEART. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

BACK INTO THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA, WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 4, MS. ACEVEDO, AND I WOULD ASK IF ANYONE HAS ANY

EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DROVE BY THE PROPERTY AND I HAVE ALSO SCUDS IT WITH JOE MCANARNEY.

DISCUSSED IT WITH JOE MCANARNEY. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. MS. AS SADO, TAKE IT VEA.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. SHANNON ACEVEDO, FOR THE RECORD WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN 7LED WAO STREET.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE SUNNYSIDE BORROW PIT SPECIAL PERMIT USE APPLICATION, AND OUR APPLICANT IS VJA CONTRACTING.

WITH MATTHEWS STEIN GROUP AND ARE FORE GEOTECHNICAL WE HAVE LEC IS I ENGINEERING, MYSELF NOR PLANNING, AND THEN ENVIRONMENTAL IS TARA WORKS LAND GROUP. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE SITE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 208.

AS YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE DISTANCE WESTWARD OF STATE ROAD 16.

ZOOMING IN A LITTLE FURTHER YOU CAN SEE THE PROJECT SITE, AND

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IT IS ABOUT 92 ACRES MAJOR ACCESS FROM CRUDE 208 DIRECTLY AND IT'S PRY MILER WETLAND PINE. THERE ARE SOME WETLAND PINES AND SWAMP ISOLATED THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY, AND IT IS IN OPEN RURAL ZONING, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE.

AND THE FUTURE LAND USE IS RURAL RURAL/SILVICULTURE.

SO JUST TO GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY OF THIS REQUEST, WE ARE LOOKING TO DO A 50-ACRE BORROW PIT ON THE PROPERTY.

AGAIN, THERE'S JUST UNDER 92 ACRES INCLUDED WITHIN THE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CRUDE 208, AND THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 203 TFNT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHICH CYTES REQUIREMENTS FOR A BORROW PITS.

AND THERE ARE TWO PHASES THAT ARE PLANNED FOR THIS PROJECT, WHICH I'LL GET TO IN JUST A MOMENT.

SO PHASE 1, WE'RE LOOKING AT STARTING HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE COMING IN FROM CROWD 208 ABOUT 26.6 ACRES PLUS A BASIN AS YOU CAN SEE OFF TO THE WEST THERE.

AND THEN PHASE 2 WOULD BE TO FINISH OUT, BY DOING THE BORROW PIT EXPANSION IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THAT.

SO THE COMPLETED PRODUCT WILL BE ABOUT 50 ACRES IN SIZE AND WOULD BE ONE BORROW PIT COMBINED. IT IS A SINGLE GATED DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE WITH A TYPICAL 20-FOOT WIDE STABILIZED ROADWAY THAT WILL GO AROUND THE PIT. THERE ARE ABOUT 21.4 ACRES OF WETLAND CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY, AND THE PRESERVED WETLANDS WOULD BE 7.5 WITH AN EXPECTED 13.9 WETLAND IMPACTS.

AND THERE ARE NEARLY 200 FEET, I THINK WE'RE RIGHT AT 196, SETBACK BETWEEN THE BORROW PIT OPERATION AND ALL PROPERTY LINES. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THEY'RE VISUALLY WITH THE GREEN. THE.

THE LIGHT GREEN IS JUST BUFFER OF THAT ALMOST 200-FOOT SETBACK, AND THEN THE DARK GREEN JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA WHERE THOSE HOIFLTD WETLAND ARE THAT ARE TO BE PRESERVED.

IN TERMS OF OPERATIONS, WE'RE LOOKING AT 7:00 A.M. TO 5:00 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY. THERE WILL BE NO OPERATIONS ON SUNDAYS. THERE WILL BE TWO EMPLOYEES AND A TOTAL OF TEN DUMP TRUCKS. THE MAXIMUM LOAD PER DAY WILL BE 100, BUT WE EXPECT THAT THE AVERAGE LOAD WILL LIKELY BE MUCH LESS THAN THAT. AND THE ANTICIPATED TIME FRAME IS ABOUT FIVE YEARS FOR PHASE 1 AND FIVE YEARS FOR PHASE 2.

IT WOULD GO MORE QUICKLY THAN THAT BUT THAT'S OUR ANTICIPATED TIMELINE. SO LOOKING AT THE FINDINGS OF FACT FOR THIS PROPERTY AND REQUEST, WE ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT LAND USES. COUNTY ROAD 208 HAS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN SUPPORT THE USE WITHOUT EXCESSIVE WEAR AND TEAR. WE ARE SURROUND BY RURAL PROPERTIES. THE NEAREST RESIDENCE IS ABOUT 1600 FEET AWAY. AND THERE ARE NO HAUL ROUTES BY SCHOOLS DURING PEAK HOURS. THAT'S A CONDITION OF OUR REQUEST. WE'RE MEETING ALL OF THE DESIGN REGULATIONS OF BORROW PITS IN THE LDC, INCLUDING A MINIMUM 20A MINIMUM 2000 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL, MINIMUM 25 FEET FROM NON-RESIDENTIAL, AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE IT'S NEARLY 20F THE SITE SO FAR BEYOND THE WHAT CODE REQUIREMENT IS, AND TWEER NOT NEAR ANY DUMP SITES OR LANDFILLS OR WHAT ARE CONSIDERED ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVE AREAS AREASN==.

AS I MENTIONED, ABOUT 1600 FEET GREAT NEAREST RESIDENCE, I'VE ZOOMED IN HERE SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA WHERE THIS IS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE ADJACENT USES.

THEY'RE PRIMARILY MITIGATION AND AGRICULTURAL LAND.

THEY RANGE ANYWHERE FROM 140 ACRES TO MORE THAN 400 ACRES. AND THE PROPOSED BORROW PIT AGAIN IS 196 FROM THE SETBACK -- I'M SORRY -- FROM THE SITE BOUNDARY. SO LOOKING AT ENVIRONMENTAL

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THERE ARE NO STATE OR FEDERALLY LISTED WILDLIFE SPECIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED ON THE PROPERTY DURING OUR ON-SITE ASSESSMENT, AND NO SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITY HABITATS WERE IDENTIFIED. THIS GIVES YOU JUST A GENERAL IDEA OF THE LAND CLASSIFICATIONS ON THE SITE.

AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, MOSTLY PINE PLANTATION, UPLAND, AND THEN WE DO HAVE ISOLATED WETLAND PINES AS WELL.

AND JUST FOR INFORMATION, I WANTED TO PROVIDE THE SOILS MAPS. YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF THE SOIL TYPES THAT OCCUPY THIS PROPERTY, VARIOUS TYPES OF FINE SAND FOR THE MOST PART. AND SO WITH THAT, WE REQUEST APPROVAL FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR SUNNYSIDE BROTHER .

THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT USES.

IT DOES NOT CREATE AN UNREASONABLE IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND PERMITTING AGENCY REQUIREMENTS.

I'LL STAND BY FOR QUESTIONS. ALEX ACHERY, OUR ENGINEER, IS ALSO HERE IF YOU SHOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM HIM.

AND OUR APPLICANT, MELISSA GOOCH, IS HERE AS WELL AS TRAVIS ALLEN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OPERATION FOR THE

APPLICANT THEMSELVES. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. NUMBER THE ONE, WHY DON'T Y'ALL SWITCH THE PHASES SO THAT YOU'RE MINING AT THE SOUTH PART OF THE PROPERTY FIRST AND THEN THE NORTH PART OF THE PROPERTY SECONDARILY? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE AN EXTENSIVE ANSWER BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS.

IF I WERE DOING IT, I'D DO IT THAT WAY, BUT I'M NOT A MINER,

SO I DON'T -- I CAN'T -- >> SPEAKER: I MIGHT WANT TO CONFER WITH ALEX ON THAT QUESTION IF YOU DON'T MIND.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT'S NOT AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.

IT'S NOT THE THRUST OF WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT.

BUT YOU DEFINITELY CAN HAVE TIME TO CONFER.

YOU SAID THERE WERE NO ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS IN THE AREA. ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THIS IS SITUATED RIGHT BETWEEN TWO MITIGATION BANKS, THE STAR 4 AND THE SUNNYSIDE MITIGATION BANKS, AND THOSE ARE UNDER CONSERVATION EASEMENTS TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT

DISTRICT? >> SPEAKER: YES, THAT'S CORRECT, IT IS SITUATED BETWEENS THOSE TWO MITT GAYS BANKS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND SO THOSE THAN THE WOO BE

ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS? >> SPEAKER: IT'S NOT DRD BASED ON DEFINITION, AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, AS A DEFINED ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA. THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT WETLAND, AS YOU'RE AWARE, NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY, HOWEVER, ON THE SITE THERE ARE ISOLATED WETLAND THAT WERE NOT CONSIDERED TO MEET

THAT DEFINITION OF AN ESA. >> DR. HILSENBECK: RIGHT, BUT I'M JUST THINKING THE MITT GAYS BANKS AND IT'S JUXTAPOSITIONED RIGHT IN BETWEEN THOSE. FOR ME I'LL JUST HAVE TO SAY IT IS PROBLEMATIC FOR ME. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT MINES RIGHT NOW ARE BORROW PITS. YOUR CLIENTS OPERATOR NOW.

DO THEY HAVE ANY ACTIVELY MINING PROJECTS GOING ON?

>> SPEAKER: THEY DO NOT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: ARE THEY

EXPERIENCED MINERS? >> SPEAKER: I'LL LET THE

APPLICANT RESPOND DIRECTLY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

>> AND GOOD AFTERNOON, TRAVIS ALLEN.

NO, SIR, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY LOCAL BORROW PITS AT THE MOMENT BUT WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH OVEREXCAVATING AND EXCAVATING PONDS. WE DO A LOT OF SUB GITIONZ AND MEDICAL FACILITIES AND SCHOOLS. WE'RE USED TO DIGGING PONDS, JUST NOT FOR OURSELVES. FOR CLIENTS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I SEE YOU FOUND A NICE LITTLE RIDGE RIGHT THERE JUST SOUTH OF 208 IN THAT AREA AS A LOOKED AT THE TOPOGRAPHIC MAPS. Y'ALL DID HAVE ONE BUT YOU LOOKED UP ONLINE AS WELL. SO WHAT TEICH MATERIAL THAT YOU ANTICIPATE COMING OUT IS THERE? IT'S HARD ROCK, SHALE, GRAVEL?

>> WHAT WE CONSIDER HARD SAND AND SILTY SAND.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. WHAT'S THE WEIGHT OF A FULLY LOADED DUMP TRUCK? DO Y'ALL KNOW?

>> SPEAKER: NO, SIR. >> DR. HILSENBECK: MOUCH THAT

WEIGHS? >> SPEAKER: NO, SIR.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IS THE PLAN FOR Y'ALL TO EXIT ONTO 208.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD GO IN AND OUT OF THERE, AND THEN UP PACETTI ROAD AND UP PACETTI ROAD TO STATE ROAD 16 OR WEST ON 208

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THAT IS ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS IN THE COUNTY IN MY PERSONAL OPINION. THAT'S ANECDOTAL.

BUT I'VE BEEN OUT THERE MANY TIMES AND THE TRAFFIC IS MADDENING. ADDING A COUPLE HUNDRED MORE TRIPS. , AND YOU HAVE 100 TRIPS BUT THEY'RE ROUND TRIPS SO YOUR MAXIMUM, IF WE APPROVE THIS, WOULD BE 200 TOTAL TRIPS OF THOSE DUMP TRUCKS.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: CORRECT.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE PROBABLY QUOANT GET BUT 50 TO 80 TRUCKS A DAY ON A GOOD DAY, BUT, YEAH, THERE'S MUM WAYS TO ACCESS THE SITE AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING CONSTRUCTION ON STATE ROAD 16 AND 208 RIGHT NOW HOPING THAT RELIEVES SOME OF THE TRAFFIC

CONGESTION IN THAT AREA. >> DR. HILSENBECK: 208, I WAS DRIVING ON IT YESTERDAY, IS JUST A REALLY NARROW ROAD OUT THERE.

ADDING A LOT OF DUMP TRUCK TRAFFIC TO ME IS PROBLEMATIC.

AND YOU SAID IN THE APPLICATION Y'ALL WERE GOING TO LESSEN YOUR TRAVEL TRIPS BETWEEN SCHOOL HOURS IN THE MORNING AND THE AFTERNOON, SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? THAT'S GOING TO BE -- WAS WHAT IS THE A TWO-HOUR WANTED MORNING AND A TWO-HOUR WINDOW IN THE AFTERNOON WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO

HAVE FEWER FRUKS? >> SPEAKER: WE DON'T ANTICIPATION HAVE ANY SCHOOL ZONES IN THE AREA.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE APPLICATION.

THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING.

OKAY. LET ME SEE.

WHAT ELSE I'VE GOT. WHAT I'M REAL CONCERNED ABOUT IS SHEET FLOW AND JUST SUBSURFACE FLOW COMING OFF THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST-SOUTHWEST. YOU'VE GOT TOWN BRANCH, AND THAT'S SHANNON, PROBABLY WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO AS A SENSITIVE WETLAND OR A WETLAND AREA.

TOWN BRANCH IS A CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE JUST OFF YOUR PROPERTY TO THE WEST-SOUTHWEST. SO WHEN YOU DIG THIS BHOR OH PIT, AND I READ THE ENGINEERING PLAN.

IT'S QUITE A GOOD ENGINEERING PLAN, VERY EXTENSIVE.

Y'ALL DID A GOOD JOB AT THE MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP ON THAT, BUT -- AND YOU'RE TALKING MAINLY ABOUT DEWATERING AND THE SETTLING BASINS AND ALL THAT AND TELLING IF YOU'RE DEWATERING TOO MUCH ARE ON WHATEVER, BUT WHAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS TOWN CREEK AND THE SHEET FLOW THAT PROBABLY GOES WEST-SOUTHWEST TO THAT. I SAW ON THE TOPOGRAPHIC MAPS YOU'VE GOT AI TOPOGRAPHIC LIGHT THERE WHERE YOU ALL ARE GOING TO DIG OF 16 TO 17 METERS. THEN IT DROPS DOWN THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY AND GOING JUST OFF 13 AND THEN TOWN CREEK 11.

SO YOU'VE GOT QUITE A DIFFERENCE COMING DOWN THERE, AND I'M SURE=. , I FEEL CERTAIN, JUST FROM BEING OUT IN THE WOOD A LOT IN MY LIFE, THAT THERE'S PROBABLY SURFACE WATER FLOW FROM YOUR PROPERTY DOWN TO TOUCHDOWN DOWND YOUR ENGINEERING REPORT SAID THERE'S SUBSURFACE FLOWS IN THE FIRST 2 FEET OF SOIL OF 3 FEET OF WATER PER DAY THAT CAN MOVE IN THE SUBSURFACE AREA OF 2 FEET DOWN, WHICH YOU'LL DEFINITELY BE INTO THAT. SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT SHEET FRO AND THE IMPACTS TO TOWN BRANCH BRANCH EXPWSH THE REASON I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT IS THAT'S PART OF THE WATERSHED OF SIX MILE CREEK. YOU'VE GOT TOWN BRANCH THAT.

THAT ONCE INTO TURNBULL CREEK. AND TURNBULL CREEK IS A PRETTY MORE THAN CREEK. IT'S A MAJOR TRIBUTARY TO SIX MILE CREEK WHICH RUNS RIGHT INTO THE ST. JOHN RIVER.

SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT -- I GUESS YOU'RE THE ENGINEER.

I'M TWOIRD ABOUT POTENTIALLY LESSEN SHEET FLOW AND SUBSURFACE FLOWS FROM THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE IMPACTED, IN MY OPINION, AND I'M SURE YOU'LL HAVE ONE THAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR, THAT WOULD IMPACT TOWN CREEK, THEN TURNBULL CREEK.

Y WOO WE JUST APPROVED A BIG PROJECT ADLER CREEK WHICH IS TO THE NORTHWEST Y'ALL. BIG HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK WAS 1792 HOMES THERE OR SOMETHING.

I CAN'T REMEMBER. AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONSERVE TURNBULL CREEK BECAUSE THAT IS AN IMPORTANT TRIBUTARY TO SIX MILE AND THEN THE ST. JOHN RIVER, SOY I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE KIND OF IMPACTS IN THE WATERSHED.

SO I'LL BE QUIET SO YOU CAN SPEAK.

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>> DR. HILSENBECK, WITH YOUR PERMISSION MAY I APPEND YOUR QUESTION? AND I'M NOT GOING TO ANSWER IT.

I HAVE KIND OF SOMETHING TO ADD TO IT.

IN THIS LEGACY REPORT Y'ALL GAVE US, IT SAYS THE RESULTS OF THE MODELLENING ARE GRAPHICALLY DEPICTED OR PRESENTED IN AD.

DICTION A, FIRST A2 AND A3. FIGURE A2 SHOWS THE ESTIMATED WATER DRAW DOWN IN THE BORROW PIT IN A BEEN.

FIGURE A THRVMENT SHOW TS ANDREW WATER DRAW DOWN DEWATER DURING PHASE 2. FITS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE MEASURED TO PREVENT GROUND WATER DRAWDOWN -- THE SENTENCE THERE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE -- SUCH AS RIM DITCHES WE CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AS NECESSARY.

SO I'M NOT SURE THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED, EITHER.

MAYBE IT HAS. AND I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT IN HERE. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S KIND OF MY APPENDAGE TO YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE THIS REPORT CLEARLY

TELLS US THERE IS AN ISSUE. >> SPEAKER: SORRY.

ALEX ACREY, MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP, 7LED WAO STREET.

THE DRAWDOWN ANALYSIS WAS DONE BASED ON ACTUAL EX EXCAVATIONF THE PIT BE THE THE DRAWDOWN DURING EXEAFTION EXCAVATION AND WITH RESPECT TO THE CULL FLOW OF WATER TRUE THROUGH THE GROUND ON THE PERMEABILITY OF DIFFERENT LAYERS OF SOIL.

THE DEPICTIONS SHOW THAT THE DRAWDOWN EFFECT IS -- STAYED ON THE PROPERTY. SO THE 24 EL SEPARATION DOESN'T LEAVE THE PROPERTY SO YOU DO NOT SEE ANY DRAWDOWN EFFECTS OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FEET. IF RIM DITCHES WERE USED, THEY COULD DO A SEPARATE DRAWDOWN ANALYSIS THAT INCORPORATED RIM DITCHES AS WELL TO FURTHER LESSEN THAT DRAWDOWN IMPACT, BUT SINCE WE'RE OVER 200 FEET IN FROM THE ACTUAL EXCAVATION, THEY DIDN'T SEE THAT AS BEING NECESSARY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS NOTHING IS GOING TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY. THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S PROBABLY SHEET FLOW AND SHALLOW SUBSURFACE FLOW OFF THAT PROPERTY, SO THAT, NOT THAT IT'S GROG TO COME OFF AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOWERING THE WATER TO BE ABLE TO LEAST TEMPORARILY. THAT SEEMS TO NEE THAT THAT WOULD LESSEN THE FLOWS TO TOWN BRANCH, LENS TO TURNBULL CREEK,

HENCE TO SIX MILE, AND -- >> SPEAKER: SO EVERYTHING SHEET FLOWS PRETTY MUCH FROM SOUTHWEST TO -- OR SOUTHEAST TO NORTHWEST, WHICH IS WHERE WE SITUATED THE DISTILLING BASINS AS WELL, SO ALL THE DEWATERING WILL GO INTO THE DISTILLING BASIN SO IT WILL BE ABLE TO STAGE AND THAT SUBSURFACE FLOW WILL STILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE DEWATERING PROCESS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK:, SO THE FLOWS GO FROM THE SOUTHEAST TO THE NORTHWEST. YOU MEAN FOLLOWING TOWN BRANCH? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ROUTE OF TOWN BRANCH BASICALLY.

>> SPEAKER: ACROSS THE PROPERTY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: ACROSS THE PROPERTY.

THE TOPO MAP I LOOKED AT, IT WAS A BIG DROP-OFF FROM YOUR NICE HIGH RIDGE RIGHT THERE DOWN TO TOWN CREEK.

TO ME ANY SHEET FLOW WOULD BE GOING WEST-SOUTHWEST.

NO? >> SPEAKER: MAYBE I HAVE MY

BEARINGS -- >> DR. HILSENBECK: MAYBE NOT.

I'M JUST CURIOUS. I DON'T KNOW.

>> SPEAKER: WE STWAITD THE DISTILLING BASIN IN LOW AREA OF THE SITE SO DEWATER BE WILL GO INTO THE DISTILLING BASIN AND WILL ALLOW SUBSURFACE FLOW OFF-SITE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THIS ISN'T A QUESTION FOUR BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR ENGINEERING

EXPERTISE. >> SPEAKER: MY PLEASURE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M CONCERNED ABOUT COMPATIBILITY.

COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT, SHANNON. I KNOW THE CLOSEST RESIDENT IS 15 OR 1600 FEET AWAY, AND YOU'VE GOT STAR FOUR, OF COURSE, FARM OR RIDING STABLES, WHATEVER IT IS OUT THERE, BUT I'M WORRIED ABOUT COMPATIBILITY OF A MINE OUT THERE ON 208.

THAT AREA IS GROWING. AS A SAID, WE JUST APPROVED ADLER CREEK, BIG SUBDIVISION NORTH OF THERE.

NORTHWEST OF THERE. SO THIS TO ME DOESN'T SEEM COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA, AND, AS YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE FROM OTHER MEETINGS WHICH YOU'VE BEEN IN WHEN I'M SITTING UP HERE, I REALLY HAVE A HARD TIME CONVERTING SILVICULTURE AND AG PROPERTIES TO OTHER USES, PARTICULARLY HOUSING, BUT EVEN A MINE WOULD ACTUALLY BE -- BECAUSE I ASSUME THIS PROPERTY WOULD GET DEVELOPED IN TEN YEARS RAFER Y'ALL ARE COMPLETE.

IT WOULD BE A NICE POND THERE AND HOUSES AROUND IT.

SO COULD YOU JUST SPEAK TO COMPATIBILITY, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: SURE.

IN TERMS OF COMPATIBILITY, AS YOU MENTIONED IT IS IN A RURAL

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ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU GET TOO FAR AWAY, THEN IT BECOMES IMPRACTICAL AND IMFEASIBLE AND ACTUALLY CREATES MORE TRAFFIC FOR DUMP TRUCKS COULD TO HAVO LONGER DISTANCES TO SERVE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. SO MY INTERPRETATION IS THAT THIS IS A COMPATIBLE SITE BECAUSE IT STRIKES THAT BALANCE.

IT'S OFTEN ARTERIAL, AS YOU MENTIONED ADLER CREEK AND SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WILL BE HAPPENING AND THERE WILL BE A DEMAND FOR DIRT WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA.

WHEN WE CAN STRIKE A GOOD BALANCE OF HAVING A PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T HAVE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT MITIGATION CONCERNS ABOUT THE USE OF THE SITE BUT CAN STILL GO A SHORT DISTANCE FOR SOME OF THESE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT MAY BE IN DEMAND OF THE SERVICES, I THINK THAT MAKES IT A COMPATIBLE AND COMPELLING SITE FOR DEVELOPMENT. LAND USE DESIGNATIONS DO PROVIDE FOR BORROW PITS WHEN IT IS COMPATIBLE AND WHEN IT DRS. MEET THOSE CRITERIA OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SO IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T BE LOOKING TO REZONE OR CREATE ANY KIND OF AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENT DESIGNATION BUT LOOKING FOR THAT SPECIAL USE CRITERIA FOR THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION.

JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION EARLIER ABOUT THE OPERATIONS AND SCHOOL PEAK HOURS, IT IS -- WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING IS THAT THE CONDITION WOULD MEAN WE WON'T BE OPERATING DURING THOSE SCHOOL A.M. AND P.M. PEAK HOURS TIMES IF THE HAUL ROUTE GOES PAST A SCHOOL. SO, FOR INSTANCE, YOU'VE GOT PICK LOT AS CROING ELEMENTARY. I THINK THAT'S THE CLOSEST ONE ON PACETTI ROAD. IF THE HAUL ROUTE I AM CA UP PACETTI ROAD, IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO NOSE NON-PEAK HOURS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

LET ME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION. THEN REILLY BE QUIET FOR A WHILE IT. SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DIG TO A DEPTH 40 FEET BUT IN THE ENGINEERING REPORT IT MENTIONED 50 FEET. SO I'M JUST WONDERING.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE DEFINITELY BE DIGGING INTO THE SURFICIAL AQUIFER AT THAT POINT.

SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IMPACTS OF SURFICIAL AQUIFER.

SO THOSE ARE MY POINTS. SO THANKS.

I SEE SOMEONE ELSE CAME UP TO SPEAK.

>> SPEAKER: . >> SPEAKER: IT IS 40 FEET.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> .

>> MR. MATOVINA: DO ANY OTHER AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE.

MY WIFE WOULD BE UPSET WITH ME IF I DIDN'T ASK THIS QUESTION.

SINCE SHE'S A HORSE LOVER. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HORSES GET COLIC SOMETIMES IF THEY EAT GRASS THAT HAS DUST AND DIRT ON IT THAT MAY HAVE DRIFTED OVER FROM A DEVELOPMENT SITE.

WILL THERE BE ANY SORT OF A TREE BUFFER BETWEEN THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE BORROW PIT AND THE FARM, EQUESTRIAN FACILITY ACROSS THE STREET OR IS THAT LARGELY DENUDED AT THIS POINT?

>> SPEAKER: YES, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

THERE IS A 200-FOOT SETBACK AND BUFFER PROPOSED BETWEEN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE THE HORSE FARM IS AND WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BORROW PIT IS GOING TO OCCUR. WE DID CONFER WITH YASSINE A AND CONTRACTING AND THEY ARE ALSO PLANNING TO HAVE ABOUT 300 FEET FROM THAT 200-FOOT BUFFER WHERE THE STAGING WILL OCCUR TO CREATE

FURTHER DISTANCE FROM THAT. >> MR. MATOVINA: AND ARE THERE TREES IN THAT BUFFER? IS IT FARMLAND?

WHAT'S THE STATUS OF IT? >> SPEAKER: IT'S MOSTLY PINE PLANTATION, SO THERE ARE TREES THROUGH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAD. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: NOT RIGHT NOW.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DO WE HAVE IN YOU SPEAKER CARDS?

NO SPEAKER CARDS. >> .

>> TERESA BISHOP: MR. CHAIR, MAY I COMMENT JUST FOR PAY POINT

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DR. HILSENBECK DID COMMENT ABOUT ADLER CREEK BEING A LARGE DEVELOPMENT, AND HE SAID 1700 UNITS OR SO.

IT'S 1682. I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT CLER SO THERE WASN'T MISINFORMATION OUT THERE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WAS OFF BY 90.

OKAY. THAT'S IMPORTANT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, FREES A, WHICH IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP AND YOU LOOK UP WHERE ADLER CREEK AND THE DEVELOPMENT END ON PA AT THE PACETTI RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT TOO FAR FROM THE INTERSECTION WITH 208, AND THEN IF YOU TRAVEL EAST ON 208, IT'S NOT TOO FAR TO GET OVER TO 16. HAS STAFF HAD ANY PLANNING WITH REGARD TO THAT AREA? I ACTUALLY HAD A POTENTIAL APPLICANT SEND ME A PICTURE OF A PIECE AT THE -- ON THE STOWTH SIDE OF -- SOUTH SIDE OF 208 WHERE POO SETY DEAD ENDS INTO IT AND SAID DO YOU THINK WE CAN PUT 60-FOOT LOTS ON HERE? I SAID GOOD LUCK. DOES STAFF HAVE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT GAP FILLING IN IN THE FUTURE?

>> TERESA BISHOP: I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO SAY ANYTHING US BA I THINK I HAVE TALKED THE PEOPLE ABOUT THAT GAP, AND THAT PROPERTY THAT'S KIND OF IN BETWEEN ADLER AND SOME OTHER PROPERTIES THAT'S OUT THERE, BUT WITHOUT HAVING TO LOOK IT UP, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN SUBMITTED.

I THINK IT'S JUST BEEN VERBAL-TYPE CONVERSATIONS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD, SO IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO TAKE A%

SEAT, BUT WE HAVE ONE, RIGHT? >> MS. PERKINS: JOE MCANARNEY, IF YOU WOULD COME UP, PLEASE. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR

THE RECORD. >> SPEAKER: JOE MCANARNEY 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE, AND, YES, I DO WANT TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS REGARDING SUNNYSIDE BORROW PIT. COMMENTS WERE MADE ABOUT THAT RESIDENTS WERE 1600 FEET AWAY AND THAT THIS IS LARGELY A RURAL AREA, AND THAT THEREFORE THE PROJECT IS COMPATIBLE, BUT THERE'S TWO WAYS TO LOOK A COMPATIBILITY, I BELIEVE.

ONE, THERE'S THE TRUCKS THAT THIS USE GENERATES AND WHERE THOSE TRUCKS GO, AND THE SECOND IS THE OVERALL AREA THAT THOSE TRUCKS DO EFFECT, SO IN MY OPINION COMPATIBILITY IS MUCH BROADER THAN JUST A NARROW CIRCLE AROUND THIS PROJECT.

INDEED, THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THAT THE ROUTES WILL BE COUNTY ROAD 208 TO PACETTI ROAD AND THEN EAST TO 16, AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE SEEN ALREADY ON THE MAP HOW THIS BEGINS TO I HAD WOOEN THE AFFECTED AREAS, PACETTI ROAD WITH ADLER CREEK, STATE ROUD 16. WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT.

WE KNOW ABOUT THAT CERTAINLY. BUT THERE'S ONE ADDITIONAL FEATURE HERE, AND UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS NOT AS BRIGHT AS ON MY LAPTOP, BUT IF YOU WERE TO GO TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE, YOU WOULD SEE THAT THIS SITE IS LESS THAN A QUARTER OF A MILE AWAY FROM THE FUTURE COUNTY ROAD 2209.

I TOOK THE LIBERTY TO EMPHASIZE THAT HERE MUCH CLEARER.

THERE'S THE SITE. THERE IS 2209.

AND THIS IS A BIG INVESTMENT ALREADY ON THE PART OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AS ALREADY CODIFIED, IF YOU WILL, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION PLAN DOES SHOW 2209 AND THE ROUTES FOR 2209. SO WE HAVE ALREADY, AS A COUNTY, AS A GROUP WITH WE HAVE ALREADY BEGUN TO MAKE A BIG INVESTMENT IN THIS AREA. SO CERTAINLY IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE AREA, THIS IS NOT IN A RURAL AREA.

THIS IS IN A DEVELOPING AREA. A VERY HOT DEVELOPING AREA, IF YOU WILL, AND THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY ANTICIPATED THAT WITH ITS INVESTMENT IN 2209. OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS LAID OUT FOR US AND FOR YOU AND FOR ALL OF US THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR US THAT THIS APPLICATION MUST MEET LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 2.03.01 THAT IT SHALL NOT HAVE ANYTHING ADVERSE TO PUBLIC INTEREST AND THAT IT SHALL BE COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING LANDS ANDAL SHALL NOT CAUSE ANY UNDULY NEGATIVE IMPACTS.

I BELIEVE THAT IT DOES EVERY ONE OF THOSE.

AND SO FOR MY QUICK SUMMARY HERE, I WOULD JUST RESPECTFULLY POINT OUT THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIALUSE DOES FAIL TO FETE 2 MEANT 03.01. I DOES ADVERSELY SURROUND AREAS.

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IT ADVERSELY AFFECTS ROADS AND TRAFFIC.

THE OUTLET MALL AREA IN 16 IS GROUND IS ZERO FOR THIS.

IT COULD AFFECT THE SURROUNDING LAND DEVELOPMENT SPHRIEL AND THE COUNTY HAS MADE AN INVESTMENT IN 2209 AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THAT. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY DOES NO REMOVE ANY OWNER PROPERTY RIGHTS. DOES NOT REMOVE ANY OWNER PROPERTY RIGHTS FOR THIS PROPERTY.

IT'S SIMPLY BASED, FOCUSED ON THE SPECIAL USE CRITERIA AND WHAT THAT DOES. SO, PLEASE, I RECOMMEND THAT YOU PROPOSAL DENIAL. 3.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO OFFER ANY

REBUTTAL? >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

IN TERMS OF COMPATIBILITY, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I DO THINK THAT THIS IS A COMPATIBLE LOCATION BECAUSE IT DOES STRIKE THAT BALANCE OF AGRICULTURE LANDS AROUND IT BUT ALSO HAVING GREAT ACCESS TO SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN DEMAND OF SERVICES. THE -- I'M NOT SURE THE EXACT TIMING OF COUNTY ROAD 2209 BUT THAT'S YET ANOTHER PROJECT THEY'LL LIKELY NEED DIRT. AND THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION, AND JUST IN TERMS OF GENERAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS CAUSED BY BORROW PIT OPERATIONS, THIS IS NOT A PEAK TIME SORT OF BUSINESS. THESE ARE TRIPS.

THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DAY VERSUS SOME OTHER USES THAT MIGHT HAVE MORE TRIPS DURING THE P.M. AND A.M. PEAK HOUR WHERE THERE'S MORE COMPETITION ALONG THE ROADWAY.

SO I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT. AND I ALSO WANTED TO GIVE A MOMENT TO MELISSA TO TALK ABOUT HOW SHE PLANS TO MANAGE THE

OPERATIONS OF THIS BORROW PIT. >> SPEAKER: MELISSA GOOCH, WE'RE A LOCAL CONTRACTOR WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS OVER 40 YEARS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AM MA, COULD YOU PULL THAT CLOSER AND SPEAK

LOUDER. >> SPEAKER: EVERY PROJECT THAT WE DO, WE DIG DIRT AND WE HANDLE DPIRT AND WE DO WATER SO WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR. WE'VE BEEN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR A LONG TIME, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE MANAGE THE WHOLE PROJECT, SO I MEAN WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH HANDLING DIRT AND

ENVIRONMENT IMPACTS, SO WE'RE -- >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

ANY AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE

APPLICANT? >> DR. HILSENBECK: NO MORE

QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PETER.

>> MS. . >> MR. PETER: I US J HAVE ONE QUESTION HANNON. ASSUMING THIS WAS APPROVED, WHEN WOULDA SHOVEL GO IN THE GROUND? WHEN WOULD IT START?

>> SPEAKER: AFTER APPROVAL, WE HAVE TO PREPARE THE SITE.

WE'LL HAVE TO INSTALL THE ENTRANCE AND START THE DEWATERING FENCE. I WOULD SAY 60 TO 90 DAYS

PROBABLY. >> MR. PETER: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: AND WE DO HAVE ENGINEERING PLANS UNDERWAY, AND IT HAS BEEN IN REVIEW WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT SO WE'RE PERMITTING.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY MORE QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MS. PERKINS PERCENTAGE OF MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MA 234-6789J 202105 SUNNYSIDE BOR ON PIT BASED UPON 12 FIND NGSZ FACULTY AND 12 CONDITIONS PROVED FROM THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. MILLER.

ANY DISCUSSION? >> DR. HILSENBECK: YEAH, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT IT DID SAY THE STAFF DID HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT BOTH NOISE FROM THIS FACILITY AND TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND WEAR AND TEAR ON THE ROAD.

COUNTY ROAD 208 AS I POINTED OUT, IS A NARROW ROAD THAT IS DEVELOPING. IF YOU LOOK AT AN AERIAL AND GOING NORTH, EAST AND WEST, THERE'S DEVELOPMENT PRETTY CLOSE BY. BUT THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE ROADS, TRAFFIC SITUATION WITH DUMP TRUCKS AND SO FORTH, IT'S GOING TO LEAD ME TO CASTING A NO VOTE ON THIS.

SO I ALWAYS LIKE TO BE TRANSPARENT IN WHY I'M GOING TO VOTE A CERTAIN WAY. I'D LIKE TO SAY -- THIS IS A

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WE DENIED IT THE FIRST TIME. THEY CAME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD REQUESTED, AND IT WAS PASSED, AND I DID VOTE TO APPROVE THAT SO I'M NOT ANTI-MINING, BUT HAVING THAT BETWEEN TWO CONSERVATION AREAS DID TWEA ON MY CONSCIOUS, AND THIS ONE BEING RIGHT IN BETWEEN TWO ESTABLISHED MITIGATION BANKS I THINK IS AN OVERWHELMING FACTOR FOR ME AS WELL AS OVERALL COMPATIBILITY ISSUES AND THE GROWING NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE NOTHING TO ADD? I WILL JUST COMMENT BRIEFLY THAT I PLAN TO VOTE FOR THIS, AND I THINK THE LOCATION ACTUALLY IS GOOD.

THE TRAFFIC THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE LOADS OF DIRT IS NEEDED BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND, NOT BECAUSE OF THE SUPPLY, AND HAVING THE SUPPLY CLOSER TO THE DEMAND, IN MY OPINION, IS A BETTER SITUATION FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT THAN HAVING IT FURTHER OUT WHERE THE TRUCKS HAVE TO TRAVEL FURTHER TO SERVE THE DEVELOPMENTS, SO I KIND OF THINK THIS IS A GOOD USE AND I DON'T THINK IT'S INCOMPATIBLE AT ALL WITH 2209 OR WITH THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF IT. PEOPLE LOVE -- AS A DEVELOPER, I LOVE BUYING ON A SITE THAT HAS AN EXISTING NICE BIG POND ON IT

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SO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS ONE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES 5 TO 2.

CONGRATULATIONS. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 5.

RUSSELL AND STEVE FRANCIS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE FOR ITEM NUMBER 5?

>> MR. PETER: I DO. I DROVE BY THE PROPERTY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M RUSSELL FRANCIS. THIS IS MY LOVELY WIFE ALLISON FRANCIS AND MY FATHER STEVE FRANCIS.

WE'RE PURCHASING THE PROAT AT 2900 JOE ASHTON FIRST FOR THE PURPOSE LIVING ON THE PROPERTY AND FOR MY WIFE AND I TO STUART FAMILY IN THE COUNTRY WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN A DREAM OF OURS.

MR. BRYANT AND HIS WIFE HAD A GOOD NAME IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE INTEND TO DO THE SAME. WITH RESPECT TO OUR NEIGHBORS, WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN AND ALSO DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND YOU THE COMMITTEE WHICH MANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL ALONG THE WAY.

THIS PROPERTY WILL BE OUR HOME RESIDENCE AND WE WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THE BEAUTIFUL SETTING THAT MR. BRYANT HAS BUILT WITH THE WITH A FEW FRIENDS AND YOUNG COUPLE'S WHO MIGHT WANT TO GET MARRIED.

WITH RESPECT TO THE 75-FOOT SCENIC EDGE, WE INTEND TO ADD BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING IN RESPECT TO OUR NEIGHBORS.

WE INTEND TO LEAVE THE THICK BOARDING TREE LINES AND ADD A FENCE BUFFER TO RESPECT THEIR PRIVACY.

IF AND WHEN WE DO HAVE SMALL WEDDINGS, IT IS ALSO YOUR INTNGS TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE ST. JOHN NOISE ON THE OTHER HAND WITH HOURS OF OPERATION BEING MOW THE LATER THAN 10:00 P.M. ON WEEK DAYS OR 11:00 P.M. ON WEEKENDS.

WE HUMBLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL SO WE MAY PROCEED WITH OUR PLANS

AND MOVE INTO OUR HOME. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS. MARY KELS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IF Y'ALL WOULD TAKE A SEAT WHILE THE SPEAKERS COME UP, PLEASE. YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO

COME BACK UP AND SPEAK AGAIN. >> SPEAKER: SORRY.

I DID HAVE A SLIDE THAT I WAS GOING TO SHOW YOU SLICE GUYS.

DO YOU WANT ME TO SHOW IT AFTER? >> MR. MATOVINA: YOU CAN SHOW

IT NOW. >> SPEAKER: SO THIS IS THE HOUSE AND THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BUYING FOR OUR PERSONAL RESIDENCE. WE HAVE SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN TO YOU GUYS SHOWING KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SHOW YOU, WE DID --

>> MR. MATOVINA: I WASN'T TRYING TO RUSH YOU, SIR.

THOUGHT YOU ARE WERE DONE. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S OKAY.

THIS IS AN AERIAL SHOT OF THE ACTUAL PROPERTY.

IT'S SHOWING THE EXISTING NEIGHBORS AT THE MOMENT, AND THE LITTLE PLACE ON THE BACK THAT'S GOT THE YELLOW SQUARE IS WHERE THE ACTUAL I GUESS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE HOLDING ANY TWEDDING WHEN WE DO. AT THE MOMENT WE MACK ONTO 40 ACRES OF JUST WOODS, AND THEN ON THE SIDE OF OUR PROPERTIES WE HAVE AN ACRE OF A TREE LINE BARRIER BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO

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>> MR. MATOVINA: ARE YOU DONE NOW?

>> SPEAKER: YES, ALE LEAVE IT TO YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: MAYOR, YOU CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS

PLEASE. >> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS MARY KELS AND I LIVE AT 2905 JOE ASH TOFN ROAD WITH DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

I KNOW HE SAYS SMALL WEDDINGS, BUT THE THOUGHT OF HAVING THINGS GO ON UNTIL PLEFNG A NIGHT AND 10:00 AT NIGHT AND THEN TRAFFIC, WOULD KEY HE KEEP THEM SMALL? I DON'T KNOW.

THE IDEA -- I GUESS WHAT I'M THINKING IS WE HAVE A TWO-LANE ROAD. THAT'S IT.

IT'S NARROW. AND THE POINT IS, IS GETTING IN AND OUT IF THERE'S CARS GOING IN ALL THE TIME.

I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THIS WOULD BE.

AND I'M AFRAID THAT THE CROWD MIGHT GET BIG.

AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF THEY DO RECEPTIONS, THEN THERE'S ALCOHOL. SO I WORRY ABOUT ALL OF IT.

I DIDN'T THINK THAT WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE IN 1987 THAT WE WOULD BE FACING A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, I MEAN, A COMMERCIAL IDEA ACROSS THE STREET. SO THAT'S MY CONCERNS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> MS. PERKINS: DANA BURNEY. >> SPEAKER: WHICH ONE DO I GO

TO? >> MS. PERKINS: EITHER ONE.

>> SPEAKER: AS STATED WI MY NAME IS DANA BURNIE.

MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVE AT 2970 JOE ASHTON ROAD WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPOSED VENUE.

I WANT TO START OUT BY SAYING THAT WE HAVE MET AND DISCUSSED THIS PROPERTY OR PROPOSAL WITH WE'LL CALL THEM RUSSELL ANDAL ALI AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WELCOMING THEM INTO OUR COMMUNITY. WE SHARE SOME CONCERNS AND ALSO SNRAIND THAT WE SNRAIND THAT WE ARE -- WOULD WOULD BE RATHER HAPPY TO HAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD REMAIN AS IT IS AND HAS BEEN FOR THE PAST 38 YEARS, BUT WE ALSO REALIZE THAT CHANGE IS HAPPENING ALL OVER OUR COUNTY, MUCH TO OUR DISMAY.

WE ONLY HOPE THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED, THE INCLUSION OF A EGHT TWEGD VENUE IN THE YOU EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD NOT AFFECT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE WAY THAT WE HAVE KNOWN IT FOR ALL THESE YEARS. WE TRUST THE FRANCIS WILL RESPECT THAT, BUT WITH THAT, I HAVE SOME OTHER CONCERNS.

PARKING OVERLOW. IF THEY US CHOOSE TO PARK ON AS MS. CAL SAID IF THEY CHOOSE TO PARK ON JOE ASHTON ROAD, THAT'S DANGEROUS. WE MAINTAIN THAT PROPERTY.

I KNOW IT'S NOT OURS BUT WE MAINTAIN IT AND TWEAD LIKE IT TO REMAIN THAT WAY SO MY CONCERN IS WILL PARKING BE ALLOWED THERE, AND IF IT WILL, CAN WE INTERVENE WITH THAT NOT HAPPENING.

SECONDLY, AS WAS STATED, THEY HAVE SAID THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A 50 MAXIMUM GUEST VENUE PLATFORM, AND WHAT DO WE DO IN THE YEARS TO COME IF THEY DECIDE, HUH, WE WANT 250 OR WHAT STOPTS STOCHES THAT FROM HAPPENING? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD KEEP IT SET AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT? WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE FRANCIS HAVE AGREED TO LEAVE THE BUFFER BECAUSE THAT IS NICE AND IT WILL HELP WITH SOUND, I'M SURE, BUT STILL. WE APPRECIATE THAT AND THE FENCE. IN CLOSING, I WANT TO SAY THAT WE ARE VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE ENTHUSIASM AND PLANS THAT ALLY AND RUSSELL HAVE SHOWN FOR THEIR NEW HOME.

WE KNOW THAT MANY IMPROVEMENTS CAN ONLY HELP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S GREAT FOR EVERYONE. BUT IN CLOSING, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SQUELCH THOSE PLANS OR MAKE IT UN UNCOMFORTABLE OR NON-WELCOMING BUT WE ALSO WANT THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HA BEEN OUR DREAM.

38 YEARS AGO WE WERE THAT YOUNG FAMILY THAT WANTED TO START A FAMILY AND RAISE OUR I FAMILY IN A COUNTRY SETTING.

THAT'S OUR HOME. THAT'S THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.

SO WE'D PLIEK FOR IT TO REMAIN A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, AS IT HAS, AND FOR Y'ALL TO RESPECT THOSE WISHES.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? OKAY. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME

UP AND PROVIDE SOME REBUTTAL. >> SPEAKER: AS MENTIONED BEFORE, OUR PLANS ARE TO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY OURSELVES AND TO HAVE OUR OWN FAMILY ON THERE, SO IT'S NOT OUR INTENTIONS TO BE GRUCHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN ANY WAY, STHAIP OR FORM.

JUST COMPLETE HONEST WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE LATE NIGHT EITHER.

WE HAVE LATE NIGHTS. E WE KNEES DISABILITY DISRUPTIVE TO THEM. WE HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF USING ANY PARTNERING ON THE MAIN ROAD. IT'S A 6-1/2, 7-ACRE PROPERTY

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BUT WE WOULD LOVE YOUR APPROVAL FOR THE SPECIAL USE SO THAT WE MAY PROCEED AND MOVE INTO OUR HOME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: HOW MANY AC PANTS OR ATTENDEES DO YOU EXPECT AND ARE YOU WILLING TO LIMIT TO

A CERTAIN NUMBER? >> SPEAKER: OUR PLAN IS TO DO LIKE A LIST AND HAVE A CUTOFF LIST WHEN ANYONE BOOKS TO HAVE A WEDDING ON THE PROPERTY AT ALL MOOKSDZ OF 50 PEOPLE.

WE DON'T PLAN TO HAVE THEM EVERY WEEKEND.

WE JUST WANTED THE OPTION THAT IF WE DID WANT HAVE TO WEDDING THAT WE WOULD AT LEAST BE ALLOWED TO.

>> PASTOR: SO IF THIS. >> MS. PERKINS: IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED ARE YOU WILLING TO HAVE A CONDITION ADD THAT THERE WOULD BE A MAX OF 50 PEOPLE?

>> SPEAKER: THE HARD PART IS CONTROLLING WHEN THERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE WE THINK IT'S 30 AND THEN THEY WANT TO BRING THEIR RELATIVES AND STUFF. IF IT WENT A LITTLE BIT OVER, IT WOULD BE HARD TO SAY NO, YOU CAN'T BRING YOUR AUNT AND UNCLE AND COUSINS, SO IT'S HARD TO GET AN EXACT NUMBER.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 35, 40, AND IT'S POSSIBLE IT RUNS A

LITTLE OVER 50. >> MS. PERKINS: OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA:

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO DO Y'ALL

OWN THE PROPERTY LIGHTEN? >> SPEAKER: NO, WE DO NOT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. YOU DO NOT.

THE IF WE DO NOT APPROVE THIS USING, ARE YOU STILL GOING TO

BUY THE PROPERTY? >> SPEAKER: THAT WAS THIS WAS A HUGE DECIDING FACTOR FOR TO US BUY THE PROPERTY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, I'LL HAVE TO SAY. IT REALLY DOES.

SO YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING -- I'M NOT GOING TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH -- BUT IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, YOU MAY NOT BUY

THE PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: WE'VE ALREADY -- WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT TO BUY THE PROPERTY.

WE JUST HAVEN'T CLOSED. PART OF THE REASON IS IRA'S WIFE IS NOT AS WELL AND THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD A HOUSE AND MOVE OFF THE PROPERTY SO WE'VE EXTENDED OUR TIME WITH THEM UNTIL THEY GET TO THAT POINT, SO WE'RE KIND OF IN LIMBO IN BETWEEN. SHE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SHE'S

GOING TO BE ARMING MUCH LONGER. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT.

SO WHAT SORT OF PARKING PLAN DO YOU HAVE? YOU SAID THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PARK ON THE ROAD.

WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK? DO YOU HAVE A PARKING PLAN?

>> SPEAKER: YES. SO THE SURVEY THAT WE HAVE, WE'VE KIND OF DESIGNATED ABOUT 49 TO 50 PARKING SPOTS WITH STANDARD PARKING SIZE. WHICH IS KIND OF OFF OF OUR DRIVEWAY. AND THEN ALSO TWO HANDICAP SPOTS WHICH WOULD BE ON OUR PROPERTY AS WELL DESIGNATED WITH SIGNAGE SO THAT WOULD BE VERY CLEAR WHERE IT WAS AT.

I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED IN IF PAST JUST ABOUT THE ROAD ITSELF BEEP WERE MORE THAN HAPPY WITH THE DRIVEWAY JUST THE WAY IT IS BUT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE ADDING ASPHALT MILLINGS TO THE SIDE OF IT JUST SO THAT WOULD COMPLY WITH THE LAND CODE TO MAKE IT 23, 24 FEET COMPACTED ASPHALT MILLINGS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. I HAVE TO SAY I'M CONCERNED AT THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION TO MS. PERKINS' QUESTION ABOUT LIMITING IT TO 50 PEOPLE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A STIPULATION THAT WE WOULD HAVE ON THIS, AND THEN IN THE SAME WAY YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY ADHERE TO THAT, SO THAT'S A CONCERN.

AND I'LL HAVE TO SAY IN ANY ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS WHEN I HEAR CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS, THAT TO ME IS AN OVERRIDING FACTOR, THAT NEIGHBORS ARE ALREADY THINKING THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMATIC FOR THEM.

THEY'VE LIVED OUT THERE, ONE SINCE 1987.

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE OTHER. SO THAT FOR ME IS A MAJOR FACTOR IN YOUR DESIRE TO HAVE THIS. I UNDERSTAND YOUR WANT TO HAVE IT, AND WE HAVE APPROVED SOME OTHER ONES OUT THAT WAY IN THE FAR WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, BUT I -- I'M ON THE FENCE ON THIS ONE. I'LL HAVE TO SAY.

BUT I'M LEANING NO SADLY FOR YOU.

BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

MR. PIERRE. >> MR. PIERRE: SO I DROVE BY.

>> DO YOU TWAN TO ASK HIM A QUESTION?

>> MR. PIERRE: I DROVE BY. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LOCATION BUT I ALSO SHARA CONCERN ABOUT DR. HILSENBECK WITH ESPECIALLY WITH THE TRAFFIC -- THE ROAD IS REALLY NARROW AND I HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT, ESPECIALLY THE HOUR OF THE VENUE AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DRINKING AND ALL THAT STUFF, SO I HAVE SOME

CONCERNS. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

I THINK JUST THE HOURS OF OPERATION IF AND WHEN WE DO

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WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE HAVING ANYID BIG RODEOS OUT THERE, I

PROMISE YOU THAT. >> MR. PIERRE: YOU STAY A MAXIMUM OF 50 PEOPLE BUT YOU COULDN'T COMMIT TO HAVING 50

PEOPLE. >> SPEAKER: I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE DECIDING FACTOR THEN I THINK WE'D BE WILLING TO COMMIT TO

THAT. >> MR. PIERRE: IT'S A NICE PLACE. I REALLY LIKE IT.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. WE LIKE IT TOO.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PETER. >> MR. PETER: I JUST HAD A QUESTION RELATIVE TO KIND OF THE NOISE FACTOR.

WITH THAT DO YOU DO WHEN THE BRIDE AND GROOM TWHANT TO BRING A BAND IN AND THEY WANT TO PLUG IN AND PLAY CLASSIC ROCK UNTIL

11:00 ON A WEEKEND? >> SPEAKER: I THINK IN OUR PLANS RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'VE GOT THE POSITION OF THE I GUESS POLL BARN THAT'S THERE NOW, IT'S FACING, WE WOULD HAVE EVERYTHING FACING TOWARD THE BACK WHERE THE 30 ACRES OF WOODS ARE AND THEN ALSO WE'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING AN 8-FOOT FENCE ON THE BORDER OF WHERE EITHER ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ON THE SIDE AS WELL AS WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING, PUTTING LANDSCAPING AND BUSHES AND STUFF IN THAT AREA TO ACT AS A BUFFER, BUT WE WOULD ALSO TELL ANYONE THAT COMES THAT WE HAVE A NOISE ON THE OTHER HAND THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP TO -- ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP TO AND IT COULD BE A DECIBEL RATING OR LEVEL THAT MAYBE WE AGREE TO OR SOMETHING THAT HELPS THAT.

>> MR. PETER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

MR. WILSON. >> HOW MANY DO YOU PLAN TO HAVE? OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GROW, BUT WHAT ARE YOU ASSUMING THE FIRST YEAR? FALL BE WITH SPRING, I WOULD SAY SUMMER FOR OUTDOOR WEDDINGS.

WHAT'S YOUR ANTICIPATION? >> SPEAKER: I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY WEDDINGS FOR AT LEAST A YEAR, AND THEN AFTER THAT I DON'T REALLY KNOW. THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE OUR FULL-TIME ONLY THING THAT WE'RE DOING.

WE STILL HAVE JOBS AND STUFF THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ATTENDING TO, BUT THIS IS JUST MORE OF A SIDE THING THAT MY WIFE AND I JUST ALWAYS THOUGHT WOULD BE A GREAT EXTRA INCOME, I GUESS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IF THIS GETS APPROVED YOU HAVE TO COMMENCE WITHIN ONE YEAR. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> MR. MATOVINA: THAT'S A CONDITION THAT'S TWRIN IN HERE.

>> MS. PERKINS: BUT YOU PLAN ON NOT HAVING ANYTHING FOR A

YEAR. >> SPEAKER: I DIDN'T KNOW IT HAD TO COMMENCE WITHIN A YEAR. WE PLAN ON DOING SOME STUFF TO THE PROPERTY AND WORKING ON THE PROPERTY TO GET IT TO WHAT WE WANT TO DO BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IT HAD TO BE WITHIN THE YEAR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE TO A PERSON WHO WAS SEEKING A WEDDING SPRIEWN IN A COUNTRY SETTING, A NICE RESIDENTIAL COUNTRY SETTING, BUT CONCERNING BANDS AND MR. PETER'S QUESTION, DO YOU PLAY THE GUITAR, FOR EXAMPLE? SPINCHTS USED TO BE A SINGER FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OAK. BUT DO YOU PLAY THE GUITAR?

>> SPEAKER: NO, I DON'T. >> DR. HILSENBECK: DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR THE SOUND CAN PLAY FROM SAY A FENDER STRAT CASTER

PLUGGED INTO A 100-AMP? >> SPEAKER: I IMAGINE PRETTY

FAR. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND THAT'S JUST ONE GUITAR NOT TO MENTION A BASE AND DRUMS AND ALL THAT.

THAT'S A CONCERN THAT A CURRENTLY QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I REALLY HOPE YOU GET TO BUY THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT LOOK

FABULOUS. >> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THAT ANOTHER CONDITION THAT'S IN HERE ASIDE FROM THAT ONE ERR I DO NOT LIMIT IS THAT THIS IS NOT TRANSFERABLE.

IT ONLY APPLIES TO Y'ALL OPERATING THE WEDDING VENUE.

>> SPEAKER: YES, THAT'S FINE. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYONE?

MR. PETER. >> MR. PETER: I'LL MACK A MOTION TO DENY SPECIAL USE PERMIT 2022-02 FRANCIS HOME SMALL WEDDING VENUE BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN

THE STAFF REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION TO DENY BY MR. PETER. IS THERE A SECOND? A SECOND BY MR. PIERRE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING -- OOP. MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS FROM A COUPLE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD. I WOULD HATE TO DENY THIS.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE A SOLID PLAN. YOU DO NOT EVEN THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO START WITHIN A YEAR.

FIRST YOU'RE NO WILLING TO LIMIT TO IT 50 PEOPLE, BUT THEN NOW YOU ARE. I'M SORRY.

IT'S JUST -- I JUST DO NOT THINK IT'S COMPATIBLE IN THIS AREA AND

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TOO MANY CONCERNS FOR ME. >> SPEAKER: WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE PLANS TO ACTUALLY DO IT WITHIN A YEAR BUT THAT'S NOT TO

SAY THAT WE WOULDN'T. >> MS. PERKINS: YOU WOULD HAVE

TO. >> SPEAKER: YES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. TBHI OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. HOLD ON.

WHAT HAPPENED HERE? >> DR. HILSENBECK: A YES VOTE

WAS FOR THE MOTION TO DENY. >> MR. MATOVINA: CAN WE REDO THIS VOTE ? I GOT THAT ALL BACKWARDS IN MY HEAD.

MR. MILLER. >> MR. MILLER: I BELIEVE AS SOMEONE HOE VOTED I CAN MAKE A MOWING TO RECONSIDER THE SPRIEPTD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE.

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>> MR. MATOVINA: THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

AND SO JUST AS A REMINDER, AND THE CHAIRMAN IS PROBABLY ONE WHO BLEW IT HERE, A YES VOTE IS TO DENY THIS.

ALL RIGHT. NOW LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

OKAY. SO THAT IS DENIED 7 TO ZERO.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6, AND MR. GORDON SMITH IS PRESENTING FOR US. ITEM 6 AND 7?

>> SPEAKER: 6 AND 7, YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M GORDON SMITH, AND I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING IN THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT.

WITH ME TODAY I ALSO HAVE OUR DIRECTOR COLLEEN ROTH.

TODAY WE'RE REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A WASTEWATER TREATMENT AND A WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY TO EXPAND OUR SERVICES IN THE 207 AND ANASTASIA ISLAND SERVICE AREA.

WE'RE ALSO REQUESTING TODAY A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR 100-FOOT SETBACK ALONG THE EASTERN AND NORTHERN PROPERTY LINES IN LIEU OF THE 500-FOOT REQUIREMENT TO PRESERVE WETLAND, AND I'LL GET INTO SOME MORE DETAILS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT.

ALSO THE TWO MAJOR FACTORS THAT'S DRIVING THIS PROJECT IS GROWTH AND A NEW STORM WATER REGULATION THAT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR. WE'VE ALL SEEN THE TREMENDOUS GROWTH IN OUR COUNTY. WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF GROWTH ALONG THAT 207 AND IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION.

THIS NEW FACILITY WILL TAKE CARE OF THE GROWTH AND ALSO ADDRESS OUR NEW REGULATION. THE SECOND MAJOR FACTOR, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IS SENATE BILL 64.

IT'S A NEW REGULATION THAT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR REQUIRING ALL UTILITIES WHO SNARNLG TO THE SURFACE WATER TO ELIMINATE ALL NON-BENEFICIAL DISCHARGES BY 2032, TEN YEARS TO TAKE THOSE OUT. WASTEWATER FROM THIS AREA CURRENTLY FLOWS TO ANASTASIA ISLAND.

THERE'S A PIPE UNDERNEATH THE RIVER AND IT GOES TO ANASTASIA ISLAND, SO BY BUILDING THIS STILT IT WILL TAKE THAT FLOW OFF OF ANASTASIA ISLAND TO THE UNIT TUNE OF ABOUT 2 MILLION GALLONS A DAY FOR THAT. SO IF THE COMMERCIAL USE PERMIT IS GRANTED, THE PROJECT WILL COMPLETE IN THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF YEARS. AND THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THE WASTEWATER FLOW, AS I MENTIONED, TO THE AI. MOVING ON TO SITE, THE SITE IS LOCATED JUST WEST OF 95 AND 207. IT'S ABOUT A MILE TO THE WEST.

THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY IN THE MIXED USE LAND USE DISTRICT.

THE ZONING IS OR, AND THERE WAS A LITTLE PIECE RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING AT THE ADJACENT TO 207 IS COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST.

THE SITE'S ABOUT 138 ACRES, AND IT HAS ABOUT EXEGHT 80 ACRES OF WETLAND. YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE WEST WESTERN PORTION OF THIS. WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS SITE, THERE'S NOT REALLY A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT AROUND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. THERE IS THE VERMONT HEIGHT COMMUNITY WHICH IS DOWN TO THE WEST, BUT THE CLOSEST STRUCTURE TO THIS IS 1700 FEET WHICH IS OFF OF THAT DEER RUN, DEERPARK, EXCUSE ME, AND THE CLOSEST STRUCTURE THAT WE WILL BUILD IS ABOUT 1,000 FEET OFF 207. WE HAVE, OUR FLAN SOLVE VERY MIN MOOL IMPACT TO OUR WETLAND AND THAT'S WHY WE SHIFTED ALL OUR DEVELOPMENT ON THE EASTERN SOIDEE SO WE CAN PRESERVE ALL THOSE WETLAND ON THE WEST PART OF THE PROPERTY.

ONE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THIS ON THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THIS SITE, THERE IS A PROPERTY OWNED BY THE FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL IMPROVEMENT TRUST, WHICH IS OUR FUTURE PARK AREA.

IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE RAILS TO TRAILL PARKS.

WE DESIGNED OUR PROJECT SUCH THAT THE ROAD COMING OFF 207 WILL LEAD ALL THE WAY WALK TO THAT PROPERTY, PROVIDE ACEVEDO

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I'VE PROVIDED AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS OF OUR EXISTING FACILITY TO SEE HOW WE BUILD THESE CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL AND BUSINESS COMMUNITIES. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE IS OUR 'STACHE ISLAND WEIGHT WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY. THAT'S OFF OF MIZZELL ROAD OVER ON THE BEACH AND THAT'S THE FACILITY AS YOU CAN SEE PRETTY CLOSE TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITIES.

ALSO THE ONE THE IN UPPER RIGHT IS THE PLAYER'S CLUB WASTEWATER FACILITY. WE JUST COMPLETED THAT A COUPLE YEARS AGO. IT'S CLOSE TO THE LARGE TPC PARKING AREA WHICH IS NEAR THE PGA CORPORATE OFFICE.

YOU CAN SEE THE COMMUNITY DOWN TO THE LOWER RIGHT OF THAT PHOTOGRAPH. AND THE LAST FROF PHOTOGRAPHY PROVIDE THED IS THE NORTHWEST FACILITY.

THAT'S LOCATED JUST NORTH OF THE NEW SCHOOL ON IT.

GP, AND IT IS IN THE SILVERLEAF COMMUNITY.

YOU SEE TREES THERE TODAY BUT THERE'S PLANS TO BUT PUT AROUND THAT FACILITY. THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN.

WE'RE GOING TO UTILIZE AN EXISTING ENTRANCE THAT'S ALREADY ON 207. IT'S CLOSE TO THE COQUINA CROSSING DRIVEWAY. THAT'S THE DRIVE THAT YOU SEE DOWN OFF 207. COMING UP OFF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IT'S JUST ONE DRIVEWAY IN.

AND BECAUSE OF THE VARIANTS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING TODAY WE'RE ALSO ADDING AN INCOMPATIBLE BOWFORT EAST SIDE SO I HAVE PROVIDED A CROSS-SECTION OF WHAT THAT BUFFERING REQUIREMENT WILL LOOK LIKE. I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION JUST SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WILL HAVE ON THIS FACILITY.

AGAIN, IT'S ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT, HIGH LEVEL TREATMENT, ENOUGH TO PROVIDE REUSE WATER FOR IRRIGATION.

WE ALSO HAVE A VERY DETAILED ODOR CONTROL SYSTEM THAT WILL PURIFY THE AIR THAT ANY ODORS THAT COME OFF THE SYSTEM, IT WILL RUN THROUGH OUR ODDOVER CONTROL.

THE OTHER IS THE DISINFECTION. INSTEAD OF HAVING A LOT OF CHEMICALS ON-SITE WE ARE LEANING TOWARDS WE WILL BUILD THIS UV DISINFECTION SYSTEM, REDUCE OUR CHEMICAL STORAGE ON-SITE.

AND LASTLY, THE MOST IMPORTANT IS THE RECLAIMED WATER THAT THIS FACILITY WILL PRODUCE. AGAIN, ONCE THIS SYSTEM IS UP AND RUNNING, WE CAN PRODUCE ABOUT 2 MILLION GALLONS OF RECLAIMED WATER. WHAT'S SO IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT IS THAT WATER IS PIPED TO OTHER COMMUNITIES SO THEY DON'T USE POTABLE WATER. IT'S REALLY PROTECTING OUR WATER SUPPLY. WITH THAT, I'M HERE TODAY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OR FOR MY DIRECTOR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DECLARE ON ITEMS 6 AND 7?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I DROVE BY THE SITE YESTERDAY.

I COULDN'T SEE A WHOLE LOT FROM STATE ROAD 207 BUT THE ORANGE SIGN WAS OUT THERE AND I KNEW THAT WAS THE SITE.

I DO WANT TO COMMEND YOU, HOWEVER.

IT'S NOT THE APPROPRIATE TIME SO I WON'T DO IT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. SO DO -- NO OTHER EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I HAVE ONE QUESTION, MR. SMITH.

THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST THAT'S SQUEEZED BETWEEN DEERPARK AND THIS PROPERTY, DO YOU KNOW THE OWNERSHIP ANY KNOW IT'S GOT A MIXED USE LAND USE, BUT DO YOU KNOW THE OWNERSHIP AND THE INTENTIONS OF THAT PROPERTY OWNER?

>> SPEAKER: NOT AT THIS TIME. IT'S OUR INTENTION AFTER THE CLOSING OF THIS PROPERTY THAT WE CAN REACH OUT TO HIM AND WORK TOGETHER ON THE BUFFERING AND ALSO THE ENTRANCE TO THIS PROPERTY, BUT WE HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO HIM AND I HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONTACT WITH HIM AT THIS TIME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE TWO SPHEARKS.

JAY STRAITS. >> SPEAKER: JAY SPHRAIPTS I DON'T HAVE AN ADDRESS BUT IT'S ON 207.

WE OWN ALL OF THE PROPERTY ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY.

AND I'M HERE -- JUST TO SPEAK WITH THE ZONING OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SETBACK AND ZONING AT THIS POINT?

THAT IS MY QUESTION. >> MR. MATOVINA: THE REQUESTS

BEFORE US ARE FOR A -- >> SPEAKER: SPECIAL EXCEPTION

ON THE ZONING. >> MR. MATOVINA: AND A VARIANCE AND A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

THEY AREN'T CHANGING THE ZONING. >> SPEAKER: SO I CAN ADDRESS

BOTH OF THOSE AT THE SAME TIME? >> MR. MATOVINA: YOU CAN SPEAK

TO BOTH ITEMS,Y REQUEST. >> MR. MATOVINA: WEEK OKAY GREAT. OUR ZONING IS R2, SO WHILE IT'S NICE THAT THERE'S NOT ANY CURRENTLY DEVELOPMENT THERE, YOU GUYS MIGHT RECOGNIZE THAT SITE AS WHAT CAME THROUGH AND GOT APPROVED AS THE WINDING OAKS SUBDIVISION.

IT WAS DENIED BY COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY.

SO -- AND THAT'S THE SECOND DENIAL FOR IND WOOING OAKS.

SO THERE'S PLANS THAT THE ENTIRE WESTERN PORTION WILL EVENTUALLY

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THE BUFFER WITH THE WETLANDS MITIGATES A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CONCERN FOR ME. I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SETBACK VARIANCE. THE SETBACK VARIANCE, THERE IS -- IT'S THERE FOR A REASON. THE SETBACK IS THERE FOR THE FUMES THAT ARE CREATED OUT OF THESE FACILITIES CONTAIN PARTIALLY TOXIC FUMES AND OBVIOUSLY THE ODOR.

I'M CERTAIN THE TECHNOLOGY HAS IMPROVED OVER THE YEARS.

BUT THE RULES ARE SET FOR A REASON, AND I MEAN IT'S A HUGE SETBACK FOR A REASON. THIS ISN'T COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WHERE THEY'RE ASKING FOR A A 5-FOOT VARIANCE SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE THE ENGINEERING WORK OR THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.

THAT BOUNDARY GOES WELL INTO THAT OTHER NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, AND COMING OFF OF OUR SECOND DENIAL FOR -- WITH MUCH LESS OF IMPACT TO ANY OF OUR SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS REQUEST, BUT THERE'S A SOLUTION.

BUY THE PROAT. YOU DON'T NEED THE SETBACK IF YOU BUY THE PROPERTY ON THE EASTERN SIDE.

SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S VACANT. SO I JUST THINK THAT ASKING FOR -- IF A DEVELOPER CAME HERE AND ASKED THAT, JUST TELL HIM TO GO BY THE PROPERTY. I'M CONCERNED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY BE TREATED THE SAME WAY BY THE COUNTY AND THAT THESE ADVERS IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY NOT BE WAIVED FOR THE COUNTY. JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE COUNTY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SIR, CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING?

>> SPEAKER: YES. >> MR. MATOVINA: YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING YOU OWN THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST.

>> SPEAKER: I DO. >> MR. MATOVINA: AND THEN LATER I I THINK YOU SAID TO THE EAST.

>> SPEAKER: NO, I'M SAYING IT'S HAVE VACANT AND AVAILAB.

WHY WOULD YOU ASK FOR SUCH A SIGNIFICANT SETBACK VARIANCE

WHEN THE PROPERTY IS AVAILABLE? >> MR. MATOVINA: THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A SETBACK VARIANCE ON THE WESTERN BOUNDER.

>> SPEAKER: ON THE EASTERN SIDE IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: THE LAST NAME IS THAI, THE TRACY IS 45 FEDERAL POINT ROAD. MR. THAI, CAN YOU COME UP.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU SO FOR MY OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU.

MY NAME IS CHAO CHUNK OF THAI. MY FAMILY OWN THE CTT INVESTMENT BANK CORPORATION, AND WE OWN THE PROPERTY JUST EAST OF THIS PROJECT. WE OWN 115 ACRES PUBLICALLY.

AND WE HAVE 1.5 MILES OF THE BOUNDER LINE IN ADDITION TO THIS PROJECT. SO MY CONCERN, THERE'S TWO CONCERNS. NUMBER ONE IS THE PROJECT, I'M SURE IT'S GOOD FOR THE COUNTY, BUT YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT ME AND OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE APPEARANCE. AND MY QUESTION IS THE CLEAN WATER IS GOING TO BE SENT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SENT TO US. THE WATER.

[INDECIPHERABLE] TO THE WETLANDS WOULD BE MY MAJOR CONCERN BECAUSE YOU'VE FOR THE GOT A WETLAND IN THAT AREA THAT NEED TO BE PROTECTED. BUT MY MOST CONCERN IS THE SETBACK. THERE'S 400-FOOT SETBACK IN THE ORDNANCE AND THAT SETBACK IS FOR GOOD REASONS YOU.

NEED TO HAVE THAT SETBACK 500 FEET, AND I DON'T THINK THAT YOU SHOULD CHANGE FROM 400 FEET TO 100 FEET.

WHAPSZ IN THE FUTURE IF I'M GOING TO DO A PROJECT, DOUGH A HOUSE OR DO SOMETHING, IN THE END YOU COME BACK TO SAY, OH, WAIT A MINUTE, WE HAVE A WASTEWATER TREATMENT HERE.

YOU HAVE TOAF A YOU HAVE TO HAA SETBACK OF 500 FEET.

SO THAT, IN A WAY YOU ARE TAKING THAT 400 FEET FOR YOUR TREATMENT SYSTEM. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON THAT, BUT I'M TOTALLY AGAINST REDUCING THE SETBACK 500 FEET TO 100 FEET. AND I HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. AND OUR FAMILY OWNS THAT PROPERTY FOR LIKE 30 YEARS NOW, AND WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THE PROPERTY TO MY GRANDDAUGHTER FOR THE NEXT GENERATION FOR THEIR

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SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATIONS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

MR. SMITH, DID YOU WANT TO OFFER SOME RESPHWHULT

SOME REBUTTAL? >> SPEAKER: YES, AND I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO ONE OF MY PHOTOGRAPHS. WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO OUR NEIGHBORS. AND THESE FACILITIES.

AND THAT'S WHY WE INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN OUR ODOR CONTROL. I'D BE GLAD TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TOTE EAST, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, AS WE GET FURTHER ALONG ON THIS PROPERTY IN THE DESIGN.

THE INVESTMENT THAT WE MAKE IN ODOR CONTROL, YOU CAN GO TO ANY OF OUR SITES TODAY AND THE ODOR IS MINIMAL ON THAT, SO ESPECIALLY AS YOU'RE BUILDING CLOSE INTO THE VARIOUS SITES IN POND VIDA. WE WORK KLEESLY WITH OUR NEIGHBOR ON THAT ONCE WE GET FURTHER ALONG ON OUR DESIGN.

THE CHALLENGING PART WOULD BE IS NOT DESCRANTD GRANTD, WE START ENCROACHING ON WETLAND. WETLAND IMPACTS.

WE CAN LOOK AT THE INTIEN DESIGN.

BUT OUR INTENT WAS TO NOT HAVE THAT BUFFER MOVING FORWARD AT THIS TIME. BUT MOVING FORWARD GET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO WORK WITH HIM TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERNS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SPINCHTS WAS JUST GOING TO FOLLOW UP COLLIN OF, UTILITY DIRECTOR. JUST A BROAD SENSE.

I HEARD THE COMMENT WE CAN WORK LIKE A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.

THE COUNTY CANNOT WORK LIKE A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.

EVERYTHING WE DO IS IN THE SUNSHINE.

SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN'T DOO AHEAD OF VOTES, AND ONE THEM IS WORK WITH OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS AHEAD OF TIME WHICH IS WHY WE WANT OND CACTD THEM WHICH WE PLAN ON DOING.

I THINK THERE IS BENEFICIAL VALUE TO BOTH THESE PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO CAPACITY TO DO ANYTHING FOR THEM, SO THEIR PROPERTY NOTE DEVELOPABLE RIGHT NOW EVEN IF PROJECT THAT PROVIDES THAT. WASTEWATER PLANTS ARE DIFFICULT TO BUILD. THAT'S WHY WE SPEND THE MONEY ON THE ODOR CONTROL AND WE SPEND THE MONEY ON AESTHETICS.

YOU SEE FROM THE PICTURES THEY ARE BUILT MUCH CLOSER TO VERY HIGH END RESIDENTIAL HOMES, AND THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY ISSUE BECAUSE WE DON'T HEAR ABOUT THEM.

I WILL SAY PEOPLE SAY WHY DIDN'T YOU REACH OUT.

WE CAN'T REACH OUT BAUG BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE HAVE TO DO HAS TO BE IN THE SUNSHINE SO WE WORK AS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AS A

PUBLIC REGIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: WAIT A MINUTE. DON'T SIT DOWN, SIR.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN'T REACH OUT.

I MEAN, YOU HAD TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.

>> SPEAKER: NO, WE HAVE NOT PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.

WE HAVE NOT CLOSED ON IT YET. WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL THESE APPROVALS IN PLACE BEFORE WE CAN PURCHASE THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC AGENCY, NOT A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.

>> MR. MATOVINA: I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU COULDN'T HAVE CACTD THIS GENTLEMAN AND TALKED TO HIM ABOUT YOUR PLANS.

>> SPEAKER: IN OUR ERR I'M GOING TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE PUBLIC RECORD THAT WE'RE INSTRUCTED NOT TO.

THE REASON IS BECAUSE THERE IS -- WE ARE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AT A VALUE. WE HAVE A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT READY TO CLOSE. WE CAN'T CLOSE UNTIL WE GET THERE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THE PROPERTY.

IF WE CAN'T PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, I MEAN, IT REALLY -- IT'S A VERY SENSITIVE THING TRYING TO FIND PROPERTY FOR COUNTY PROJECTS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BUY. THE NEIGHBORS HERE, IT IS OUR THAT THEY WANT TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, AND WE NEED THE PROPERTY, SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE ISSUE IS.

WE DO WANT TO WORK WITH THEM ONCE ME FINISH GETTING ALL OF ALL OUR APPROVALS IN PLACE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T CLOSED ON IT YET, SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO WITH ANYBODY OIT YET BILLION UNTIL WE CLOSE ON IT AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET PERMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH

THE. >>

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHAT IF WE APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE AND Y'ALL COME BACK LATER WITH A VARIANCE?

>> SPEAKER: IF VARIANCE IS REQUIRED FOR THE PROJECT.

WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THE VARIANCE BECAUSE WE DO WANT WANT TO -- SOMEBODY SAID, YOU CAN GO IMPACT ALL THOSE WETLAND.

AGAIN BEING A PUBLIC REGIONS WE'RE NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND FILLING IN 50, ACCOUNT ASK ACRES EVER WETLAND.

IT'S NOT A WISE THING TO DO. WE BELIEVE THE VARIANCE IS ADEQUATE FOR THIS AREA. THAT'S INDUSTRIAL ZONED TYPE PROPERTY HELP IT WILL BE A INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL USE.

WE BELIEVE THAT IS A COMBATABLE USE FOR THAT.

THE RESIDENCE TO THE WEST, THAT'S WHY WE MOVED IT THAT WAY, SO WE COULD PROVIDE THAT BUFFER TO THE RESIDENTIAL STOANDZ PROPERTY IF THAT PROPERTY IS EVER APPROVED.

AGAIN, WE TRY NOT TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF DEVELOPMENT PAP WE'RE HERE TO PROVIDE SAIRS FORT AREA AND WE NEED THIS CAPACITY.

THE CAPACITY IS NEEDED FOR THE COUNTY.

AND WE'RE READY TO BUILD. SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR

QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: KIND OF.

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MR. PIERRE. >> MR. PIERRE: SO I THINK SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT IT IS VACANT PIECE OF LAND THAT YOU ARE PURCHASING THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THE VARIANCE. THAT YOU COULD PURCHASE.

>> SPEAKER: IT WAS BROUGHT UP TODAY THAT THERE WAS A VACANT PIECE BUT THAT WE HAVE NOT INVESTIGATED IT.

THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN BUYING PROPERTY, CEBS THE PIPES WITH WETLAND IMPACTS.

WE JUST DO NOT HAVE ANY -- WE HAVE NOT RESEARCHED ANY OTHER

PROPERTY. >> MR. PIERRE: OKAY.

>> SPEAKER: AGAIN, UNTIL TODAY WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS FOR SALE.

>> MR. PIERRE: I UNDERSTAND. >> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY.

>> TERESA . >> CHRISTINE VALLIERE, SENIOR SIN OF COUNTY ATTORNEY. I JUST WANTED TO PROMISED YOU ALL THAT THESE TWO ITEMS ARE FOR CONSIDERATION FORE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OR DENIAL.

THE CODE REQUIRES THIS TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR FINAL DECISION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND IS THERE A SPECIFIC ORDER WE HAVE TO TAKE THIS IN, IN THE ORDER IT'S LISTED OR SHOULD WE GO THE OTHER WAY ANY GUESS WE SHOULD GO THE WAY IT IS.

>> WELL, THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER 6, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO THE

BOARD. >> DR. HILSENBECK: HOLD ON.

LET ME PULL IT UP HERE. I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS. JUST A MINUTE.

I'VE GOT TO FIND THE RIGHT PAGE. OKAY.

I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF SPECIAL USE PERMIT 2022-08 ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITY DEPARTMENT WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY BASED ON MINE FIND FUINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO SEVEN CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL ON I'M NUMBER 6 BY DR. HILSENBECK. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. WILSON. DISCUSSION?

>> SPEAKER: CAN I SAY SOMETHING?

>> MR. MATOVINA: NO, SIR. DISCUSSION.

ANY DISCUSSION? DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WELL, EARLIER I WAS GOING TO SAY I COMMENDED THE COUNTY ON THE, THE ALL THE DEPARTMENT ON THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT. I LOOKED AT IT CAREFULLY FROM YOUR AERIALS AND DIAGRAMS AND SO FORTH AND I THOUGHT WAS A REALLY NICELY DONE PLAN, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE COMMENT ON WINDING OAKS DEVELOPMENT AND OWNERS OF PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THIS. BUT I ALSO LIVE ON 'STACHE ISLAND AND I KNOW 'STACHE AR YEAH ISLAND RECLAMATION FACILITY WELL ON MIZZELL ROAD AND IT'S DUMPING WASTEWATER ROUTINE IN THE MATANZAS RIVER AS YOU POINTED OUT ESTUARIAN SYSTEM, AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING EFFORTS NOW TO ALLEVIATE PRESSURE ON THAT AND TO FIND OTHER SOURCES AND THIS IS PROI MAYORAL ALLEVIATE WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO THE MATANZAS RIVER.

EVEN WITH THAT FACILITY THERE ON ANASTASIA ISLAND ON MIZZLE ROAD YOU HAD THE COMMODORES CLUB JUST TO THE EAST-SOUTHEAST OF THERE AND YOU HAVE A NEW DEVELOPMENT FAIRLY NEW BERMUDA SOMETHING.

EVER I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THAT.

I DRIVE BY IT A LOT. YOU'VE GOT MARSH CREEK NOT FAR FROM THERE. YOU HAVE OTHER DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST-NORTHWEST. SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD PLAN AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRAINS OF GOVERNMENT TRYING TO BUY PROPERTY, SO THAT'S WHY I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENT? I DO. IF A PRIVATE DEVELOPER WERE TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING ON THIS PIECE OF THOUGHT THEY DEAFEN WOULD HAVE GONE AND TALKED TO THIS PROPERTY OWNER.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE STATEMENT THAT WE COULDN'T.

I DO UNDERSTAND WISHES PUBLIC ENT IS TRYING TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY WEEK BUT IF YOU HAVE THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY UNCONTRACT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE STATEMENT OF JUST NOT HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE PERSON.

I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST WINDING OAKS. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PROPERTY OWNER AND I'M A LITTLE CONFLICTED HERE.

FIRST OFF WE NEED THE CAPACITY TO THE COUNTY AND SECONDLY IT

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ARE Y'ALL UNDER A TIME FRAME HERE?

WHAT'S THE DEAL? >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR, WE'RE A TIME FRAME. WE HAVE A PURCHASE AGREEMENT.

THE CLOCK IS TICKING ON THAT. WE HAVE TO MEET WITH THE BOARD AND WE WILL NOT MEET OUR DEADLINE TO SATISFY THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT AT THIS TIME. SO FOR TO US POSTPONE, WE WOULD MISS OUR DEADLINES ON A PURCHASE/SALE AGREEMENT.

WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO THE OWNER AND SEE IF THEY WOULD EXTEND THAT, BUT THIS PARTICULAR OWNER IS -- WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE

YESTERDAY. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO -- EVERY OWNER IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS THE SAME.

I RECOGNIZE THAT, TOO, MR. SMITH.

COULD YOU ALL COMMIT TO MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT TO MEET WITH THIS OWNER BETWEEN NOW AND BOCC? THERE WON'T BE A MOTION.

YOU CAN JUST TELL US THAT. >> SPEAKER: YES, IF I'VE GOT APPROVAL FROM MY -- PRY DIRECTOR AND LEGAL WE WOULD BE GLAD TO MEET WITH THEM. WE HAVE ALWAYS INTENDED TO MEET WITH NEM AND ADDRESS HOW WE CAN IMPROVE OUR DESIGN SO THAT IT'S ADJACENT COMPAT YOU WILL BE WITH THE ADJACENT

PROPERTY. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT WE CAN REGISTER THE VOTE.

WE'RE VOTING ITEM 6 AT THIS POINT.

A YES VOTE MEANS WE'RE APPROVING IT.

THAT MOTION PASSES 7 TO NOTHING. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 7.

IS THERE A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER 7?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I'LL MOVE IT.

APPROVE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZONING VARIANCE

[8. ZVAR 2021-35 Dice Residence. ]

>> MR. MATOVINA: A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY DR. HILSENBECK.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOTION PASSES 7 TO NOTHING. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 8.

MS. DICE, IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE FOR

ITEM NUMBER 8? >> MR. PIERRE: YES, SIR.

I DROVE BY THE PROPERTY. >> MR. .

>> SPEAKER: HELLO. >> MR. MATOVINA: HELLO.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. MY REQUEST IS FOR A ZONING VARIANCE FOR A SITE THAT I PURCHASED BACK IN 2017 TO BUILD A HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I GREW UP IN AND MER MY BROTHER CURRENTLY LIVES. IT'S THE ONLY UNDEVELOPED SITE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT'S ON A SMALL DEAD END RADIOED JUST OFF THECH COUNTY ROAD 13. IT DEAD ENDS WITH THE ST. JOHN RIVER. I KNOW MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS.

I GREW UP THERE. AND SOME OF THEM HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR EXCITEMENT TO FINALLY SEE A HOUSE BEING BUILT ON THIS LOT.

I HAVE ALSO INCLUDED A SUPPORT LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH SNRAING THAT SHE UNDERSTANDS I'M TRYING TO BUILD A HOME CLOSER TO THE ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 25 FEET, AND EXPLAINED ALSO THAT ALL THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE OF DIFFERENT DISTANCES AND SIZES. THE ROAD -- THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE DEFINITELY NOT THE COOKIE CUTTER.

WE HAVE DIFFERENT SIZE -- DIFFERENT DISTANCES FROM THE ROAD WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU LATER, BUT MY HARDSHIP IS DUE TO THIS LARGE BEAUTIFUL OAK TREE LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT.

AND IN ADDITION TO THE OAK TREE, THE ENTIRE BACK HALF OF THE LOT IS WETLAND, SO THAT REQUIRES A 25-FOOT UPLAND BUFFER.

THE OAK TREE IS LOCATED AT THE TOP OF THE BUFFER AND JUST BEHIND THE OAK TREE IT GOES DOWN TO A SMALL STREAM.

IT SLOPES DOWN TO A STREAM. SO WITH THE 25-FOOT BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE, THERE'S ALSO IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY A 20-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY, SO THIS REQUIRES THE HOME TO BE 45 FEET BACK FROM THE ROAD, WHICH WOULD PUT IT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE OAK TREE AND HINDER THE OAK TREE.

SO MY -- HERE I HAVE PICTURES JUST BEHIND ON THE LEFT OF THE OAK TREE AND HOW DENSE IT IS, AND IT GOES DOWN TO THE RIGHT.

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MY REQUEST IS FOR A ZONING VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR THE FRONT YARD SETBACK TO BE FROBLTION 8 FEET, A LITTLE OVER 8 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE WHICH WOULD BE 28 FEET FROM THE ROAD WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE FRONT STEPS.

THE HOME WOULD BE 13 FEET, 13.1 FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, SO ACTUALLY 33 FEET FROM THE ROAD. AND THAT WOULD ALLOW ME ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOME.

HERE I WANTED TO SHOW THE DIFFERENT HOMES IN NEIGHBORHOOD, AND YOU CAN SEE MY GRANDPARENTS BUILT THEIR HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE MY BROTHER CURRENTLY LIVES BACK IN 1983 WHEN THESE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT WHAT THEY ARE TODAY.

SO NOSE OF THE 39 HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE LEFT, THIS ONE'S VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT WE HAVE THE SAME YELLOW HOUSE, AND THEN THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT IS A GOOD 50 FEET BACK.

HERE I WANTED TO SHOW, THIS IS FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S SITE. YOU CAN SEE THE DOTS ARE ALL THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT SHOWS HOW YOU HAVE SOME VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD, SOME SET BACK.

THE PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTED THERE AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S JUST A FEW HOMES PAST THE LOT.

IT'S A DEAD END AND ACTUALLY CATERCORNER FROM THE HOUSE, THE HOME IS LITERALLY RIGHT UP AT THE ROAD.

HERE'S A VIEW OF THE DEAD END. THE PROPERTY IS IS THERE THERE ON THE LEFT. I WANTED TO SHOW HOW IT'S A VERY DENSE DEAD END RADIOED. ROAD.

THIS VARIANCE WOULD NOT HINDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL AS FAR AS THE LOOK OR INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND HERE THIS LAST PICTURE IS A VIEW OF THE LOT FROM THE SOUTH LOOKING NORTH. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW HOW IT IS A BIG OPEN LOT IN THE FRONT OF THE FREE, WHICH IS WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO PLACE MY HOME. THANK YOU SPHRCH.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY QUESTIONS

OF THE APPLICANT? >> MR. PETER: I HAVE ONE QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED IT'S A 20-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT ISN'T AT A 60-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY AND IT'S 2R

PROPERTY TO THE PAVEMENT? >> SPEAKER: IS ROAD IS ACTUALLY VERY NARROW. THE ROAD IS ONLY I WANT TO SAY 20 FEET WIDE SOY THE 20-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY ACTUALLY STARTS

WHERE THE GRASS STARTS. >> MR. MATOVINA: CAN YOU FLIP BACK TO YOUR SURVEY, PLEASE. YEAH, RIGHT THERE.

RIVER PARK VILLA AS DRIVE IS A 60-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY, SO -- ANYWAY. THAT IS SOMEWHAT RELEVANT.

I THOUGHT WE HAD A 20-FOOT ROAD AND A 20-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT WE HAVE A 20-FOOT ROAD AND A 60-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? PERCENTAGE OF WE HAVE ONE. JOHN SCHERER.

P CAN YOU MY NAME IS FOR THE RECORD.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS JOHN CHERA.

MY ADDRESS IS 5244 RIVER PARK VILLAS DRIVE WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PRESIDENT REQUESTING THE VARIANCE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY -- WELL, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THAT THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 20 FEET IN FRONT OF ALL THE OTHER HOUSES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, SO IF YOU WERE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET TOWARDS MY HOUSE OR ANYONE ELSE'S, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A HOUSE, ALL THE OTHER HOUSES SET BACK AND THIS ONE 20 FEET IN FRONT OF IT, SO YOU'LL SEE THE SIDE OF HER HOUSE, AND I BELIEVE HER HOUSE SHE SAID WAS 32 FEET WIDE, SO 20 OF THAT FEET IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AS YOU GO DOWN THE ROAD. I'M NOT TRYING -- I'M NOT HERE TO CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS FOR ANYONE, BUT -- AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT, BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP THE HOUSE FROM BEING BUILT ON THE PROPERTY.

I BELIEVE I HAVE A LEGITIMATE CONCERN THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN

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EACH OF THE HOUSES HAS BEEN BUILT WITH PROPER ESTABLISHED VARIANCES. I HAVE STEEN THE PICTURE OF E HOUSE TO BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY.

SHE POSTED ON FACEBOOK. I THINK EATS A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE HOUSE IS 32 FEET DEEP.

NOT SURE OF THE LENGTH. BUT I KNOW IT'S TWO-STORY AND APPEARS TO BE CONSIDERABLE, SO BEING BUILT SO MUCH CLOSER TO THE ROAD THAN EVERY OTHER HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AGAIN WILL MAKE IT VERY -- SEEM VERY OUT OF PLACE.

MY CONCERN AND OPINION IS THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS, BEING AN OLDER ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY WITH MOST OF ALL THE HOUSES BEING BUILT FURTHER FROM THE ROAD, THAT BUILDING THIS HOUSE WITH MUCH LESS OF A ROAD VARIANCE WILL MAKE IT, MAKE IT LOOK VERY OUT OF PLACE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEAUTIFUL.

IT HAS BEAUTIFUL OAKS. AND THE DRIVE INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEAUTIFUL WITH ALL THE HOUSES SET BACK FROM THE ROAD AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME DISTANCE.

AND I THINK THE HOUSE THEY TWHANT TO BUILD IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT IT'S NEOMYCIN OPINION THAT THE HOUSE SHOULD BE BUILT ACCORDING TO ESTABLISHED VARIANCES THAT THE HOUSES IN RIVER PARK VILLAS HAVE HAD TO FOLLOW.

I'M NOT AGAINST THEM BUILDING A HOUSE.

I THINK THEY SHOULD. THEY CAN BUILD A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE THERE. BUT I THINK BUILDING THAT HOUSE SO CLOSE TO THE ROAD WILL DETER FROM THE VALUES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, SIR.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO OFFER ANY REBUTTAL, MA'AM?

>> SPEAKER: I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IF YOU SEE -- LET ME SEE IF THERE'S A POINTER HERE. SORRY.

I WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY, THE NEIGHBOR'S FENCE YOU CAN SEE IS MARKED WITH THE XS.

THIS RIGHT HERE. THIS X IS MY NEIGHBOR'S FENCE.

IT'S A BLAG WROUGHT IRON FENCE. THIS GOES DIRECTLY INTO THE SIDE OF THEIR HOME SO THEIR HOUSESITS LIKE ALONG HERE, AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE MY HOUSE IS GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH THE NEIGHBOR'S HOME. THEIR BLACK WROUGHT IRON FENCE COMES ALL THE WAY OUT HERE PAST THE PROPERTY LINE AND SO MY HOME IS GOING TO BE WAY BACK HERE DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH THEIR HOM HOME. AND I THINK IT'S STILL THE HOME IS 33 FEET FROM THE ROAD. I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT UP ON THE ROAD AND LOOK OUT OF PLACE WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT MY

HOME TO STAND OUT LIKE THAT. >> MR. MATOVINA: SIR, SIR.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: COULD YOU MOVE FORWARD IN THE SLIDES WHERE YOU SHOWED THE ONE YOU GOT FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE? WHERE IT SHOWED THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOMES.

>> SPEAKER: YES, HERE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT ONE AS YOU SAID IS SORT OF CATTY CORNED FROM YOU AT THE LOWER LEFT AT

THE CUL-DE-SAC. >> SPEAKER: THIS ONE HERE?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: MOVE YOUR POINTER UP, STRAIGHT UP AND TO THE LEFT. IT'S THE ONE AT THE END OF THE

CUL-DE-SAC. >> SPEAKER: THIS CUL-DE-SAC

HERE? >> DR. HILSENBECK: YES.

THAT HOUSE RIGHT THERE. >> SPEAKER: THIS HOUSE?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT LOOKS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE ROAD.

>> SPEAKER: IT IS. YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IN THE PICTURE THAT I SHOWED, IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT IN THIS PICTURE HERE IT'S THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE. AND YOU CAN SEE THEIR HOUSE IS VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD AND MINE IS GOING TO BE FURTHER BACK THAN THAT. AND THEN YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE THIS HOUSE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ROAD AND THIS HOUSE NEXT TO IT IS WAY BACK HERE.

WHEN YOU FIRST DRIVE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE FIRST HOUSE ON

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HE LIVES RIGHT HERE ON THE CORNER, AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ONLY A FEW HOUSES PAST MY HOUSE.

THERE'S REALLY NO TRAFFIC THERE, AND MY HOUSE IS NOT GOING TO BE SITTING OUT WAY IN FRONT OF THOSE OTHERS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: COULD YOU FLIP BACK TO THE ELEVATION OF YOUR HOUSE. WASN'T THAT THE FIRST ONE WITH

FIRST SLIDE? >> SPEAKER: ALSO I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT MY HOUSE IS NOT A TWO-STORY.

IT'S A ONE-STORY HOME. IT HAS A BONUS ROOM OVER THE GARAGE RIGHT HERE, BUT THIS IS JUST A ONE-STORY HOME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IS THAT WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE?

THAT'S VERY PRETTY. >> SPEAKER: YES.

ITES IT LOOKS HUGE BUT IT'S 32 FEET WIDE.

THE FRONT PORCH WAS 8 FEET. I CUT IT DOWN TO 3 FEET.

TO TRY TO FIT. >> MR. MATOVINA: THAT'S VERY

NICE. >> SPEAKER: I REALLY CUT AS MUCH OFF THE HOUSE AS I COULD TRYING TO GET IT -- THIS IS MY SECOND HOUSE PLAN, TO BE HONEST, BECAUSE THE OTHER HOUSE THAT I ACTUALLY WANTED TO BUILD WAS 50 FEET DEEP, AND IT JUST WASN'T GOING TO WORK, SO I FOUND ONE THAT I THAT I STILL LOVE AND IT'S ONLY 32 FEET DEEP, SO I THOUGHT THIS IS REALLY -- KIND DOWN TO NOT MANY OPTIONAL HERE WITH SUCH A

NARROW LOT. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE

[10. MINMOD 2022-05 Wheelhouse West End.]

THE STAFF REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PIERRE. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

IS THAT MOTION IS APPROVED 7 HAD TO NOTHING.

CONGRATULATIONS, MA'AM. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 10 AND IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE FOR ITEM NUMBER 10 FOR WHEELHOUSE WEST END OF ANY OF THE MEMBERS I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY FROM THE PARK GROUP AND I'M EMBARRASSED THAT I'M FORGETTING HIS NAME.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET TO BE 62.

WHO DID I HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, MA'AM?

>> CHRIS POLENGA. >> MR. MATOVINA: YES.

SORRY, CHRIS. WE JUST DISCUSSED THE MERITS AND WHETHER HE THOUGHT THIS WAS SOMETHING THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING, AND I SAID, YES, IT LOOKED LIKE A GOOD PROJECT.

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITHIST CRESCENT BEACH YESTERDAY AND WE DISCUSSED

THIS APPLICATION. >> MR. MATOVINA: PRRPT YOU HAVE THE FLOOR NOW, MS. DENY DORR SPLNCHTS ENGLAND DISPIMS INITIAL OLD ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD IN JACKEDVILLE, FLORIDA.

AS A APPLICATION FOR A MINOR MODIFICATION TO THE NOCATEE PUD TO ALLOW FOR AN UNLISTED USE IN THE OLD HOUSE WEST END.

THERE IS A SIMILAR EXIST ALREADY EXISTING IN NOCATEE OFF PALM VALLEY ROAD. THE SITE IS LOCATED IN NOCATEE JUST EAST OF THE DUVAL COUNTY LINE SOUTH OF NOCATEE PARKWAY AND JUST SOUTH OF TOWN CENTER DRIVE.

SECTION 20301 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COD PER IN ITS ADDITION OF A UNLISTED USE OF A SIGNED TO A SINGLE PARCEL.

THE USE IS ASSIGNED WITH TABLE 4-POINT TBHNT PERMITTED IEWFTSZ NORTH OKLAHOMA A TEE PUD AND ALIGNS CLOSELY WITH THE PERSONAL PROPERTY MINI WAREHOUSE AND PRIVATE INCLUDE CLUB BOTH USES WHICH ARE BY RIGHT IN NOCATEE. THE USE PROVIDES RECREATION AND HOBBY FACILITIES COINED AS THE PRIVATE GARAGE CONDOMINIUMS. THESE ARE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED, SELF-CONTAINED CONDOS FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY COLLECTIONS. TYPICALLY FOR THE USE OF PERSONAL OR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, AND IT MARKETS TOWARDS THE RECREATION OF MOTORIST ENTHUSIASTS.

ACCESSORIES USES WITHIN THE PROPERTY INCLUDE A COMMON AREA WITH RESTROOM FACILITIES THE INDIVIDUAL OWNERS EACH UNIT MAY BUILD OUT AND REMODEL OR FINISH THE INTERIOR SPACE WITH THE ADDITION OF BATHROOMS AND LIVING SPACES TO THEIR CHOOSING.

HOWEVER, KIDGETS AND OVERNIGHT OKAY PATENTS IS SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED. THE OWNERS MAY USE THEIR SPACES TO ENHANCE COMPLETE MODEL REAIRPLANE OR DETAIL OF VEHICLES HOWEVER NO RECREATIONAL ACT OF WILL BE PERMITTED P THE PROPOSED USE AND SITE PLAN INCLUDE WITHIN YOUR PACKET SHOWS MAXIMUM OF 55,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING AREA ARRANGE INTO MULTIPLE BUILDING GROUPS WITH A TOTAL OF 60 UNITS.

THE UNIT SIZES OF THESE INDIVIDUAL GARAGE CONDOS WILL

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THE IMAGE ON THE BOTTOM SHOWS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE EXTERIOR WHERE YOU CAN IDENTIF THE GARAGE CONDOS UNITS AND THE DADDY ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. THE FRONT ROOM.

, THE FRONT ROOM IS YOUR COMMON AREA WITH THE BATHROOM FACILITIES FOR THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.

THE IMAGES UP TOP IS HOW ONE OF THE OWNERS HAS CHOSEN TO FINISH THEIR INTERIOR WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR GARAGE AND MAINTENANCE AREA ON THE BOTTOM AND THEN THEY'VE ADDED A LOFT UP TO THE TOP ABOUT WITH A SEATING AREA FOR SOCIALIZATION.

AGAIN, THIS SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE NOCATEE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER PORTION OF NOCATEE, WHICH IS A MIXED USE AREA THAT ALLOWS FOR RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.

ON THE SCREEN HERE I HAVE PROVIDE AID CHOLESTEROLLIZED VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN WHIRK SURF THE FIVE BUILDINGS P.

THERE IS A VACANT PARCEL TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY AND TO THE NORTH. THIS IS A PARK GROUP PROJECT AND PARK GROUP DOES OWN THE PARCEL TO THE EAST AND TO THE NORTH, AND THEY WILL MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS CONSISTENCY WITHIN ALL OF THE USES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THERE IS AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPING NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST ACROSS FROM COLONIE DRIVE.

THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP IS YOUR BLACK-AND-WHITE MAP THAT'S INCLUDED WITHIN YOUR PACKET.

IT'S ALSO ON THE SCREEN HERE. THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE REVIEWED BY YOUR STAFF AND AS WELL AS WHEN THE COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS COME INTO PLAY WHERE THEY'LL LOOK TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS AUTO TOWN CENTER DESIGN STANDARDS INCLUDING SETBACKS, HEIGHT. I WILL NOTE THAT THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IN THE SOUND CENTERRER OF A NOCATEE IS 90 FEET. HOWEVER, THIS USE PROPOSES TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT TO 30 FEET. BEING THAT THIS IS AN UNLISTED USE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH WE HAVE TO FOLLOW SOMETHING THAT IS SIMILAR, AND SO WE HAVE CHOSEN PERSON PROPERTY MIN WAREHOUSE FACILITIES AS OUR SIMILAR USE.

HOWEVER, THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME.

SO THERE ARE SOME TWAIFERS TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUESTED. ONE OF THOSE WAIVERS IS TO SECTION 20316A WHICH REQUIRES THAT I HAD VERY STORAGE UNITS NOT EXCEED 400 SQUARE FEET. DUE TO THIS PROPOSED USE BEING UNIQUE IN NATURE AND PROVIDING VEHICLES, THE STRICT APPLICATION OF THE 400 SQUARE FEET IS NOT FEASIBLE BECAUSE MULTIPLE OWNERS HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT RECREATIONAL VEHICLES OR CARS OR BOATS THAT THEY MAY KEEP IN THESE UNITS.

ADDITIONALLY, THE AVERAGE UNIT SIZE IS 960 SQUARE FEET, ALSO REMINDING YOU THAT THE MINIMUM SIZE IS 600 SQUARE FEET.

HERE I'VE PROVIDED SOME IMAGES OF SOME OF THE EXISTING UNITS AT THE CURRENT PALM VALLEY ROAD LOCATION WHERE ON THE BOTTOM WE HAVE A UNIT THAT HAS JUST THE TWO BOATS AND SOME IMAGES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE WALLS. YOU HAVE A PRETTY BARE BONES UNIT TO THEMENT BO RIGHT WHERE THEY JUST HAVE TO TWO VEHICLES.

THEN AT THE IMAGES AT THE TOP SOMEONE HAS COMPLETELY BUILT OUT THE AREA WHERE THEY HAVE ADDED IN THEIR LOFT LOCATION WITH THEIR SEATING AREA, AND THEN THEY HAVE THE STORAGE AREA ON BOTTOM WITH THEIR WORKSHOP. ANOTHER WAIVER REQUEST IS THAT SECTION 20316B WRIRS THAT NOT MORE THAN 4,000 SQUARE FEET BE OCCUPIED BY ANY SINGLE OWNER. AND THIS IS A COMPANION WHATEVER IT TO SPREAD UNIT SIZE LIMITATION.

AGAIN, REMINDING YOU THAT THE MAXIMUM SIZE IS 1800 SQUARE FEET AND THAT THERE WILL BE NO LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT PEOPLE IN A PURCHASE BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE MORE THAN ONE UNIT IN WHICH CASE THREE UNITS WOULD EXCEED THE 400 SQUARE FEET.

ANOTHER WAIVER REQUEST IS THAT THE FACILITY SHALL CONTAIN THE D ON-SITE OFFICE AND MAKES THE CASE WE WILL BE PROVIDE A KEYED OR CODE ACCESS AND THERE WILL BE A PROPERTY MANAGER IN THE FORM OF AN PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATION WITH AN OFF-SITE OFFICE.

THE INDIVIDUAL UDONIS WILL BE OWNED RATHER THAN LEASED OR RENT LIKE YOUR TIP TAL SELF SOLDIER SPHINLTS A COMPANION WAIVER TO THAT ONE IS THAT THE ACCESS BE LIMITED TO THE HOURS MANAGEMENT ON-SITE UNLESS KID INDIVIDUAL KEYED ACCESS IS AVAILABLE IN WHICH CASE THIS PROPERTY DOES PROVIDE FOR INDIVIDUAL KEYED ACCESS FOR 24-HOUR ACCESS TO THE OWNERS, ACCOMMODATING FOR EARLY TRAVEL AND LATE RETURN. I'VE PROVIDED AN IMAGE SHOWING THAT KEYED ACCESS LOCATION AT THE EXISTING PALM VALLEY TWHEEL HOUSE. -- WHEELHOUSE.

SECTION FROM 0316J. THIS IS THE LAST WAIVER REQUEST,

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IT IS SEPARATED BY THE VACANT PARCEL TO THE EAST AS WELL AS COLONIE DRIVE FROM THAT RESIDENT AREA.

ALSO KEEPING IN MIND THAT THIS IS THE TOWN CENTER AREA OF THE NOCATEE PUD WHERE IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES TO BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO ONE ANOTHER.

THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN SHOWS A VIEW ON CROSS TOWN DRIVE AS YOU ARE FACING TO THE EAST. THE PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY SOUTH OF CROSS TOWN DRIVE AND YOU CAN IDENTIFY IT BY THE ORANGE PUBLIC HEARING SIGN THAT'S PLACED OUT FRONT.

AS YOU LOOK FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S THAT DEVELOPING SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, AND THE PARCEL ACROSS THE STREET OF CROSS TOWN DRIVE IS CURRENTLY VACANT AS WELL. THIS IS A VIEW FROM COLONIE DRIVE. THIS SHOWS THE TYPICAL ROAD SECTION OF COLONIE DRIVE IN THIS AREA.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT'S WHERE YOUR DEVELOPING RESIDENTIAL AREA IS. THERE IS A FENCED AREA.

THERE'S A 5-FOOT SIDEWALK, A TWO-LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY WITH A LANDSCAPED MEDIAN. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE YOU HAVE THAT MULTI-USE PATH AND THEN WHERE THAT TREATED AREA IS, THAT IS THE VACANT PARCEL TO THE EAST OF THE PROPOSED SELF STORAGE FACILITY. AGAIN YOU HAVE YOUR SELF -- EXCUSE ME -- YOUR CONDO FACILITY AND THEN YOUR -- AND THEN YOUR VACANT PARCEL THAT'LL BE DEVELOPED AS A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS ROAD STRAIGHTING FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY USE. AND WITH THAT I'LL CLOSE AND ASK

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? MUST HAVE BEEN A GOOD

PRESENTATION. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE ONE, SPEAKER, WILLIAM WALSH.

>> SPEAKER: STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS MANY WITH WHRACIAL.

MY CEASE IS 250 SUSTAINED CREEK PARKWAY DRIVE, ST. AUGUSTINE.

AND ACTUALLY THEY ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS.

I'M WITH COMPASS SELF STORAGE, WHICH WE HAVE THE STORAGE FACILITY RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING TO DEVELOP. THEY'VE ANSWERED ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS FOR US. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. MS. DENDOR, HAVE YOU GOT NIR REBUTTAL OVER THAT? I DON'T THINK SHE DOES.

WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR ACTION, FOR A MOTION.

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION FOR APPROV

[12. MAJMOD 2022-02 Ellianos Coffee Shop. ]

>> MR. MATOVINA: LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER -- LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12. MS. FLEET, ARE YOU HERE?

>> SPEAKER: I AM HERE. LET ME TAKE MY POWERPOINT OUT.

THANK YOU. JANICE FLEET, FLEET ARCHITECTS/PLANNERS. 10557 HARBOR WAY, JACKSONVILLE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ONE SECOND. IS THERE ANY SPARTD EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO BE KE DECLARED? HNCHTS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I DID GET A PHONE CALL FROM MS. FLEET DUTY I DIDN'T LISTEN IT TO IT THIS WILL UNTIL THIS MORNING BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A MEDICARE OR CAR INSURANCE COMPANY.

SORRY MENCHTS PERCENTAGE OF I DID RETURN HER PHONE CALL AND UKD SPOKE WITH MS. FLEET YESTERDAY AND WE DISCUSSED THE

APPLICATION. >> MR. MILLER: I ALSO TALKED TO MS. FLEET AND WE TALKED ABOUT ABOUT MY CAR WARRANTY BEING

EXTENDED. >> MR. MATOVINA: AND YARMT.

DID WE HAVE A CONVERSATION OR DID YOU EMAIL ME BACK?

>> SPEAKER: YOU EMAILED ME. >> MR. MATOVINA: I TOLD YOU I CAN'T REMEMBER. AND RESPONDED TO HER EMAIL.

SHE ASKED ME IF I HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE APPLICATION.

I SAID, NO, IT WAS A GOOD APPLICATION.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS IS A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE INDIAN FOREST CAMPGROUND AND COMMERCIAL PUD AND IT'S MAJOR MOD 2022-02 FOR ELIAN OWES

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IT'S BASICALLY TWO MILES FROM IS BETWEEN SOUTH HOMETOWN LANE, WHICH IS ON ONE SIDE OF STATE 2D HILLTOP ROAD ON OTHER SIDE OF 207. SO THE AREA IS ZONED FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR MIXED USE WHICH ALLOWS A COFFEE SHOP AS A USE. THE ZONING IS PUD GOING BACK TO THAT WIEWBTS A 1997 PUD THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE INDIAN COARSE CAMPGROUND AND COMMERCIAL PARK. THERE WAS A MAJOR MODIFICATION IN 2007 TO THIS MODIFICATION, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF THE AREA THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH. SO THIS WAS A SITE PLAN IN '97 WHICH SHOWS THE MAJORITY OF IT WAS FOR THE CAMPGROUND AND THEN THE CORNER UP AT THE TOP IS THE AREA OF THE COMMERCIAL, WHICH WAS NONDESCRIPT IN '97 AND THEN IN 2007, 2006 BECAME MORE SPECIFIC. INITIALLY THE MAJOR MODIFICATION IN 2007 WAS FOR -- IT WAS PHASE 5.

EVERYTHING THAT WAS A CAMPGROUND WAS ONE THROUGH 4 WHICH IS BASICALLY COMPLETED IN 2007. IT WAS THREE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. THE BUILDINGS 1 WAS THE DOLLAR GENERAL WHICH IS BUILT. IT'S THE ONE CLOSEST TO HOMETOWN LANE. IT'S A 9100 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH 43 PARKING SPACES. THE MIDDLE PARCEL WHICH IS IF AREA THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED WHICH IS A SITE FOR ELIAN'S WAS ORIGINALLY MANNED FORE 6,900 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH 43 PARKING SPACES, AND THEN THE THIRD BUILDING, THE THIRD PARCEL, AND THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS, WAS FOR -- IS FOR STILL PLANNED FOR 7,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH 25 PARKING EXPAISES, BUT AS YOU'LL SEE AS I GO THROUGH MY PRESENTATION IS A BUILDING THAT'S PANE ON THAT PROPERTY SINCE 2005. SO THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE AREA. YOU CAN SEE THE DOLLAR GENERAL.

ALSO, IT WAS INTERESTING READING THE OLD PUD WHEN IT WAS APPROVED IN '97, STATE ROAD 207 WAS TWO LANE BUT WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE FOUR LANE AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

SO YOU HAVE THE DOLLAR GENERAL. THEN YOU HAVE THE SMALL SITE FOR TO ELIANOS IN THE MIDDLE. THEN YOU HAVE THE LARGER SITE WHERE THE OFFICE BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT.

I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS YOU SEE THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL TREE CANOPY BETWEEN THE SITE THAT'S THE ELIANOS AND FOR THE COMMERCIAL EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 2005. THAT IS GOING TO BE PROTECTED.

AND THEN THE CAMPGROUND TO THE I GUESS IT'S WEST.

SO THIS IS THE SAME PARCEL, THE DOLLAR GENERAL, AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TREE CANOPY THAT DIVIDES OUR SITE AND THE OFFICE, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE OFFICE. IT'S THE CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS REMOVAL OFFICE THAT'S BEEN THERE, LIKE I SAID, SINCE 2005.

THIS IS OUR SITE. THERE WAS A -- THIS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S THE ACCESS COMING FROM THE DOLLAR GENERAL ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE, AND THEN THE AREA THAT'S KIND OF THE VACANT PARCEL, WHICH WAS KIND OF A DRAINAGE FOR THE SITE.

WE'RE NO EXACTLY SURE. BUT THEN WE'RE REDOING THE DRAINAGE AS YOU'LL SEE IN OUR SITE PLAN AS I GET TO THE NEXT ONE. SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE MIDDLE, THAT MIDDLE PIECE. THERE WAS A DARKER PHASE ON IT.

THE OWNER OF THE DOLLAR GENERAL SITE TALKED ABOUT, ASKED ME ABOUT IT WHICH I DIDN'T EVEN RILED BECAUSE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY STARTED THIS PROJECT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A SPHRAT PHASE BUT WE ARE CONTINUING IT AS PHASE 5 STOW THAT PHASE LINE REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT A PROPERTY LINE. AS I EXPLAINED TO HIM, IT'S SOMETHING PLANNERS DO AS WE THINK OF HOW DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT WE'RE REDUCING THAT LARGE COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER, THE 6900 SQUARE FEET, TO 800 SQUARE FEET. IT'S TO PROVIDE FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH ONLY. THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY -- NO SEATING INSIDE. IT'S A DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITY RETHE USING THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FROM 43 TO 10.

WE'RE EXPAND 10 RETENTION IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

WE'RE GOING TO BE PROTECTING SOME LARGE TREES ON THE

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AND SO THIS IS WHAT, HAVE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN AN ELIANOS COFFEE SHOP THIS IS IS WITH THAT THEY LOOK LIKE.

THEY'RE VERY NICE FACILITIES. I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BECOMING VERY POPULAR AS A LOT OF OTHER COFFEE PLACES ARE THROUGHOUT. THESE ARE THE ONES IN VARIOUS PLACES. THE FRANCHISEES IS BUILT IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA. SO THE DEVELOPMENT, THIS PROJECT HAS STARTED BACK IN I THINK LAST MAY, JUNE OF 2021, AND WHAT HAPPENED IS DURING THE TIME THEY WERE KIND OF WORKING ON PARALLEL TRACKS, AS MOST DEVELOPMENT DOES, THEY WERE WORKING WITH COUNTY STAFF ON WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE WELL LATED TO WHETHER IT WAS A MINOR ADJUSTMENT, A MAJOR MODIFICATION, DIFFERENT BACK-AND-FORTH TO GET THE ACCESS.

IT WAS NOT REALLY -- THERE WAS SOME QUESTION WHAT THEY HAD TO DO THE GET TO ACCESS ON 207, SO WE WERE WORKING WITH THAT AND IT FINALLY WA DETERMINED WITH THANKS TO MARIE WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION THAT WE NEEDED TO GO THROUGH A MAJOR MOD COMS WHAT WE APPLIED FOR. WHILE THE DEVELOPER WAS DOING THAT, HE WAS ALSO GETTING ALL HIS -- WORKING WITH HIS THEY ARE PERMITS. JUST BEING ON PARE RELL TRACTIONS HOPING EVERYTHING WOULD COME TOGETHER TIMENT PAP WE WERE DID RECEIVE DOT ACCESS FOR 207.

THAT IS INCLUDED IN YOU ARE WHY PACKET.

I THINK IT'S AT THE LAST PART OF OF THE STAFF REPORT.

YOU'RE SEE IN THE CORNER OF YOUR, IT SAYS IT'S BEEN APPROVED. IT'S PAGE 36 OF 43 OF THE STAFF REPORT. AND IT WAS APPROVED ON 3/3/2022 AND IN THE CORNER OF ALL THE WRITTEN INFORMATION AS WELL AS THE LAST PAGE ON PAGE 43 OF THE STAFF REPORT IS THE ACTUAL APPROVAL BY DOT OF THE SITE PLAN, AND YOU'LL SEE IT HAS THE ACCESS AS WELL AS THE DRAINAGE PERMIT WE NEED TO DOT, THE UTILITIES PERMIT SINCITES STATE ROAD 207 AS WELL AS WE'VE WORKED ON GETTING OUR WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMIT BECAUSE WE'RE REDOING THE DRAINAGE AND THAT ALSO WAS APPROVED IN SO WE HAVE TALKED TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS.

LIKE I SAID, THERE'S ONE OF THE DOLLAR GENERALS HERE.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY FOR DOLLAR GENERAL WAS CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY AND ASKED US TO DO A SPEED BUMP, SO WE SAID THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DOING THAT, TO WORK TOGETHER. IT PROTECTS EXISTING TREE CANOPIES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY.

WE HAVE TALKED TO PERSON ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THEY WANT TO STAY BY THEMSELVES. DON'T WANT US CUTTING THROUGH THEM. AND WE FEEL THAT THE SITE PLAN FOR ELIANOS PROMOTE ORDERLY GROWTH ALONG STATE ROAD 207, AND IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT OF STATE ROAD 207 SO WE'RE ASKING THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON THE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPLEFN PLAN AND CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUEST THAT'S OUTLINE IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IT PROMOTES ORDERLY GROWTH, OLDER DEVELOPMENT AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

AND I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: PLRT.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY CLEARED IT YOU THE BUT I JUST WANT TO BE SURE.

WHEN I FIRST READ THIS, I THOUGHT I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO OBJECTION TO IT. BY THE WAY, I DID WANT TO AMEND BY EX PARTE. I DID DRIVE BY THIS SITE YESTERDAY. BUT THEN I READ IN THE ITEM ON FURTHER EXAMINATION THAT THERE WAS SOME DISPUTE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION FOLKS ABOUT THE ACCESS ONTO STATE ROAD 207 AND THAT FDOT REQUIRES 450 FEET ARE BETWEEN ACCESS POINT AND THAT THEY HAD AN OPEN COMMENT ON THAT AND IT WAS GOING TO BE LEFT OPEN THROUGH THIS HEARING OR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BE WITH WHATEVER. SO THAT'S ALL BEEN CLEARED UP? YOU'VE GOTTEN YOUR ACCESS ONTO STATE ROAD 207?

>> YES, WE DO HAVE OUR FDOT PERMIT, YES, SIR.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO THERE'S NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH THE TRANSPORTATION FOLKS WITH THE COUNTY.

>> SPEAKER: THE TRANSPORTATION, WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH IT DICK AND HE SAID HE WASN'T HOLDINGS IT P.

HE WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE IT BUT HE KNOWS WE HAVE OUR FDOT

PERMIT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: HE WOULD

RATHER NOT HAVE IT. >> SPEAKER: I MEAN --

>> DICK D'SOUZA, CHIEF ENGINEER ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

STAFF IS STILL NOT IN SUPPORT OF IN ACCESS POINT.

THE THE ACCESS ONTO 207 IS 400 FEET.

THIS DOES NOT FETE THAT. THE FURTHER THE FDOT REQUIRED FOR INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THIS PARCEL AND THE ADJACENT

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IT DOES NOT MEET ACCESS FACING NOT THE SAFEST CONDITION.

>> SPEAKER: I AM SAY WE DID REACH OUT AFTER TALKING WITH MR. D'SOUZA. WE DID REACH OUT TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, THE ONE THAT'S GOT THE CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS REMOVAL TO SEE IF WE COULD REDESIGN OUR PROPERTY THROUGH -- AS THE ACCESS WAS APPROVED, AND THEY WERE NOT -- THEY NOT NEGOTIATE WITH US IS A NICE WAY OF SAYING IT, AND I'VE GOT EMAILS FOR THAT. I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THERE.

BUT -- BECAUSE WHEN THAT CAME UP, I DID BRING THAT UP TO MR. STWARTD WHO APOLOGIZED HE CANNOT BE HERE.

ETS HE'S OUT OF TOWN. HE'S THE FRANCHISEE FOR ELIANOS, AND WE TRIED TO NEGOTIATE AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO HAVE ACCESS

THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO YOU'VE GOTTEN YOUR FDOT PERMIT TO ALLOW ACCESS ONTO STATE ROAD 207 BUT THE COUNTY IS STILL NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS, THE TRANSPORTATION FOLKS ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING?

>> YES. WE HAD NUMERAL -- WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS. I MEAN, WITH THEM.

AND HE SAID HE WOULD MOVE IT ON BUT THAT IT WAS -- HE WAS NOT GOING TO REMOVE THE COMMENT. HE WANTED YOU TO KNOW HIS

COMMENT, WHICH WE UNDER. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M GLAD HE

DIDN'T REMOVE IT. >> SPEAKER: I'M NOT.

>> IF YOU NEED MORE CLARIFICATION HAD TO THAT I DID KEEP THE OPEN DOMENT BECAUSE BECAUSE STAFF IS NOT.

THE BUT THE APPLICANT CAN MOVE ON WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT

CHOSE IN THIS INSTANCE. >> MR. MATOVINA: MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: THIS IS FOR DICK.

WOULDN'T ACCESS ON 207 KIND OF ALLEVIATE A LITTLE BIT OF THE TRAFFIC? IF IT'S JUST -- IF YOU CLOSE IT OFF, THEN YOU HAVE ALL THAT TRAFFIC COMING OFF THAT ONE LANE AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT OF DOLLAR GENERAL, BUT THIS WOULD HELP CIRCULATE ALL THAT TRAFFIC.

>> SO THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL WAS FOR THAT TRAFFIC TO INTERCONNECT THROUGH WITH THE ORIGINAL PUD. STAFF'S PREFERENCE IS THAT IT DOES MEET WITH THAT INTERCONNECTION.

HAVING THAT ACCESS POINT BELOW 440 WHICH IS A REQUIRED ACCESS FACING FORWARD DOT IN THIS STRETCH OF ROADWAY IS THE SAFER CONDITION. WE ARE AT APPROXIMATELY 250 FEET AND WE'VE GOT THIS SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.

THE SAFER OPTION FOR PEOPLE TO ENTER AND EXIT CONCERNING THE SPACING OF THE OTHER DRIVEWAYS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED AT THE ORIGINAL PUD IS FOR THIS ONE TO BE INTERCONNECTED AND NOT HAVE THAT DISOOLINGS DRIVEWAY. WE ALWAYS LOOK FOR PEOPLE TO CONNECT TO THE LOWEST CLASSIFICATION ROADWAY.

IT'S IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IF YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF DONATING A COLLECTOR WITH MAJOR COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL ROAD I'M GOING TO GO WITH THE LOWEST

BECAUSE IT'S THE SAFEST OPTION. >> PASTOR: OH FDOT HA AS HAS A DIFFERENT WAIVE LINING AT THIS THEN?

>> I THINK FDOT'S APPROVAL WAS BASED OFF THE ASSUMPTION THIS IS A STANDALONE PARCEL. THEIR INTO THE AWARE OF THE COUNTY'S ZONING REGULATIONS BECAUSE THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR ANYONE TO GO THROUGH THE COUNTY TO GO TO THE FDOT.

YOU HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT OR THE ENGINEER THAT THE PLAYED FOR THIS WHETHER THEY ARE PAFORTD A-- AND DID NOT HAVE AN APPROVED ACCESS POINT. AGAIN, THE APPLICANT'S CHOICE TO GO AND GET A DOT PERMIT BEFORE THEY GET THE COUNTY FROOSTLES

FOR HOW IT'S ARRANGED. >> MS. PERKINS: OKAY.

THANKS. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. MILLER.

>> MR. MILLER: I WAS TRYING TO LISTEN BUT I WAS LOOKING.

IS THIS THE ACCESS POINT ON 207 RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT?

>> IT'S A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. >> MR. MILLER: IS THERE ANY CHANGE TO THE COUNTY A OPINION IF IT IT WAS JUST A RIGHT IN OR

JUST A RIGHT OUT? >> MR. MILLER:

>> I DON'T THINK WE'D BE IN I EVER FAF OF ANY ACTUAL CONNECTION POINT TO 207 JUST BECAUSE OF THAT SPACING BEING SUB THE ACTUAL REQUIREMENT. WITH THE RIGHT END BACK-TO-BACK DRIVEWAYS,, THE OF PEOPLE BRAKING.

SIMILAR WITH A RIGHT OUT IF YOU HAVE PEOPLAL SNAITIZED INTERSECTION PEOPLE THINKING THEY HAVE CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF SPACE BEFORE THEY ENCOUNTER ANOTHER VEHICLE THAT'S COMING

OUT. >> MR. MILLER: THAT MAKES SENSE. I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN BUT MICE ARE GOING BAD. IS THERE ANY DECEL LANE FOR THIS? SORRY OR IS THERE SOFTER A TURN LANE OUT COMING OF OFF OF THE MAIN ROAD FROM THE DOLLAR

GENERAL? >> STLS INNOVATION.

THERE'S A DECEL LANE TO TURN INTO THAT SITE BUT LIKE ACCELERATION LANE, TO SPEED UP, NO, THERE'S NOT.

>> MR. MILLER: SO YOUR CONCERN IS SOMEONE IS COMING OUT OF CURRENT ROAD, THEY EXPRAIT AND SOMEONE SLAMENTS ON BRAKES.

>> YES, A 45-MILE-PER-HOUR ROADWAY, THE 440 INTIESING INCLUDES ALL THOSE PSALMS FOR REACTION TIME, SPEEDING AND UP

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AND DESEMG AND ALL THOSE THINGS. >> MR. MILLER: MAKES TENSE

SENSE. >> MR. MATOVINA: WOULD TURN LANES MAKE A DIFFERENCE? A RIGHT IN AND ACCELERATION LANE

IN I KNOW DOT DOESN'T LIKE THEM. >> AND THE COUNTY DOESN'T SAY YOU NEED TOY ENTER LANE. I TWO HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE VOLUMES OF WHAT THOSE ARE, WHETHER THAT WOULD EVEN BE AN ROW. THE YA ADDITIONAL FEATURE TO ADD ONTO THIS APPLICANT. WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH A PRETTY LIMITED SPACE THERE IN TERMS SQUEEZING IN.

A TURN LANE THAT'S ROW. ALIALITY SIZED FOR THAT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE A LIGHT?

>> IT IS SIGNALIZED AT HILLTOP 207 AND I CANNOT REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE ROAD ON THE NORTHERN PORTION.

>> SPEAKER: HOME DOWN LANE. >> MR. MATOVINA: THERE'S A

LIGHT THERE OR THRARS NOT. >> SPEAKER: THERE IS A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION, YES, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. ANY OTHERES REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT FOR STAFF? ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER.

JAMES CARRERAS. >> SPEAKER: MEL.

MY NAME IS JAMES CRER'S. I OWN THE DOLLAR GENERAL 1515 ROUTE 207. AS FAR AS THE ACCESS GOES, WE WANT THE ACCESS ONTO 207. IT'S GOING TO CREATE A HARDSHIP FOR OUR PROPERTY IF IT'S NOT THERE.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE LANE RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR FRONT DOOR BECOME THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE FOR THIS PROPERTY IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT ACCESS. IT'S GOING TO CREATE MORE OF A HAZARD FOR MY PROPERTY IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE ACCESS ON ROUTE 207. SO THAT'S FIRST OF ALL.

I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE RETENTION BASIN.

HOW IS THE WATER GOING TO BE TRANSPORTED FROM THEIR RETENTION

BASIN AND THE DRAINAGE ONTO 207? >> SPEAKER: CAN I ANSWER IT?

>> MR. MATOVINA: SIR, YOU NEED TO FINISH YOUR QUESTIONS, FINISH

WHAT YOU'RE DOING. >> SPEAKER: I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY. LET'S FOCUS ON TRAFFIC.

ROUTE 207 WE WANT THE ACCESS ON ROUTE TWFNT 7.

THAT'S SAFER SHAN HAVING THE ACCESS ONTO OUR PROPERTY.

YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT A THOROUGHFARE THROUGH OUR PROPERTY. THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL HAD NO DRIVE-THROUGH. YOU'RE END URGE CJ MORE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, AND THAT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IS GOING TO B% A LANE RIGHT FLOFNT FRONT OUR FRONT DOOR WHERE OUR PEDESTRIANS ARE WALKING OUT BAGS OF PRODUCT. WE NEED THE ACCESS ONTO 207 SO IT DOESN'T CREATE A SAFETY HAZARD ON OUR PROPERTY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IS THAT ALL, SIR?

>> SPEAKER: YES. >> MR. MATOVINA: IF YOU'LL TAKE A SEAT, SHE'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION NOW, I THINK.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. YES.

AND IT'S SEPARATE PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO HE'S NOT THE OWNER OF THE ELIANOS.

AND THE DRAINAGE ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT -- BECAUSE I KNEW THE ENGINEER WHO IS IN CLASS TODAY, COULDN'T BE HERE ALSO, I THOUGHT HE HAD TOLD ME A DRAINAGE PERMIT FROM DTO BUT THE ACTUAL DLAIJ GOES TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, NOT PIPED DOWN, AND IT'S FOR 100-YEAR HURRICANE STORM AND IT WOULD BE VERY MINIMAL IF THAT HAPPENS SO IT WOULD NOT GO DOWN THE PROPERTY.

IT WOULD GO BACK TO THE I GUESS NORTH OR WEST TO THE PROPERTY BEHIND IT I GUESS SINCE IT'S A CAMPGROUND PROPERTY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE AT THIS POINT ARE BACK IN AGENCY FOR A MOTION. WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THESE TODAY. DO YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION FIRST? WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL? LET'S HAVE SOME DISCUSSION FIRST.

MR. MILLER. >> MR. MILLER: ACTUALLY, I'VE GOT A GOART APPLICANT IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

FOR THE APPLICANT. MS. FLEET, IS THERE ANY SCENARIO WHERE YOU'D BE OPEN TO NOT HAVING THAT ACCESS OR IS THAT SORT OF THE HILL TO DIE ON ON THIS?

>> SPEAKER: THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE IT.

LIKE I SAID, WHEN THE COMMENTS CAME BACK FROM THE TRAFFIC FROM THE COUNTY, THAT'S WHEN WE TRIED TO GET ACCESS BECAUSE I SAID YOU NEED TO TRY TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES.

AND BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE POSITIVE THING TO DO.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE COULD DO THAT.

BUT WE GOT NOWHERE WITH THAT. >> MR. MILLER: GOT IT.

>> SPEAKER: IT'S NO LIKE WE DIDN'T TRY.

I'VE THE FOR GOT EMAILS WHERE BASICALLY WE SAID, TRIED TO GET IT. KEY WANT GET IT.

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I MEAN, WE HAVE THE ACCESS TO DOLLAR GENERAL BUT YOU HEAR THE PROPERTY OWNER, HE WANTS IT BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT EVERYTHING TO GO BACK THROUGH DOLLAR GENERAL, WHICH IS HOW --

>> MR. MILLER: I SEE YOU'VE GOT SIX WEEKS BETWEEN NOW AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING.

IF THIS WERE TO GO THROUGH AS-IS, DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY RESOLUTION YOU COULD COME TO WITH COUNTY STAFF?

>> SPEAKER: WE'LL TRY. I'M ALWAYS WILLING TO WORK MINCHT I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: MS. FLEET, HERE'S SOMETHING THAT CONCERNS ME. I READ IN THE APPLICANT THAT IT SAID "ORDINANCE 202007-76 PROHIBITED CONNECTIONS OF PRIVATE WAY FROM THE COFFEE SHOP TO STATE ROAD 207" AND THAT YOU WERE INFORMED OF THIS ON MAY 17TH OF 2021 BUT YOU APPLIED ANYWAY FOR A COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION PERMIT ON JULY 29, 2021. THE TRANSPORTATION FOLKS CAME BACK ON AUGUST 25TH OF 2021 AND AGAIN INFORMED YOU ABOUT THIS AND THEIR CONCERN AND THAT THIS WAS AGAINST THE ORDINANCE, AND YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS REQUEST DURING THE LIFESPAN OF THE PROJECT, SO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? ARE YOU NOT COOPERATING WITH THE COUNTY?

>> SPEAKER: FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T GET INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT UNTIL LIKE JANUARY, SO IT WAS THE ENGINEER THAT WAS DEALING, THEY DIDN'T REALIZES -- WHAT I'M HEARING, AND I'M BEING HONEST, WAS THAT THERE WAS BACK-AND-FORTH WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO BE A MINOR ADJUSTMENT, MAJOR ADJUSTMENTS, WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE. THEY WERE DEALING WITH COUNTY STAFF, AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, AND I THINK AT THE TIME THEY WERE DEALING WITH MEN WHO HAVE SINCE LEFT BUT THAT'S WHO THEY WERE DEALING WITH INITIALLY, AND I'M JUST -- HEARSAY.

SO I'M TRYING TO PROTECT WHAT I'M SAYING.

PUT BUT IT WAS TRIERG TRYING TO FIGURE ON IT WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO TO GET THE ACCESS. SO THEY WORKING THEREON IT.

THAT'S WHY THEY DID THEIR OTHER PERMITS.

AND THEN IT WAS FINALLY DETERMINED THAT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, THEY NEEDED TODAY A MAJOR MODIFICATION.

SO THEY REALIZED THAT THE EXISTING PUD AS IT STOOD, THEY DID NOT DO IT, BUT THEY WERE NOT TOLD -- THEY FELT THAT IF THEY COULD APPLY, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

THAT'S THE PROCESS WE WERE TOLD TO DO.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO YOU WEREN'T INVOLVED UNTIL FEBRUARY, AND NONE OF THESE DIRECTIVES FROM THE COUNTY WERE -- YOU KNEW

NOTHING ABOUT THEM. >> SPEAKER: YES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WHAT STEPS HAVE YOU TAKEN SINCE THEN TO WORK WITH TRANSPORTATION FOLKS TO REMEDY THIS SITUATION?

>> SPEAKER: WE, EDDIE, WHEN THE COMMENTS CAME BACK, WE HAD CONVERSATION WITH THEM TO TRY TO WORK OUT, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS, SO THAT'S -- AND BASICALLY DICK SAID THAT I'M NOT GOING TO STOP YOU FROM MOVING FORWARD. IT'S JUST GOING TO STAY IN THERE. AND WE UNDERSTOOD THAT.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S NOT -- WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.

BUT LIKE I SAID AFTER THAT COMMENT IF REACH OUT TO THE

ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THE COUNTY STAFF PERSON THAT SPOKE SEEMED SURPRISED THAT YOU WENT TO DOT FOR THE PERMIT WITHOUT GETTING THEY EVER APPROVAL.

IS THAT A NORMAL PROCESS TO DO THAT?

>> SPEAKER: IT'S NO UNCOMMON FOR YOU TO HAVE PARALLEL TRACKS WITH DOT, WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

THEY ALL TAKE A LONG TIME SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH IS GOING TO COME IN FIRST. AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT'S WEREN'T AWARE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A MAJOR MODIFICATION PROCESS. IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE A SMALL ADJUSTMENT PROCESS WHICH WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN ALONG.

SO SOME OF THESE THINGS GOT HELD UP, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T MOVE FORWARD UNTIL YOU GET EVERYBODY HAPPY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: NO PROBLEM. >> MR. MATOVINA: MS. FLEET, THERE IS A DRY RETENTION POND BEHIND THE DOLLAR GENERAL.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY TO NOT GO IF FRONT OF THE DOLLAR GENERAL BUT GO BEHIND IT AND PERHAPS HAVE A ONE-WAY TRAFFIC WHERE ALL THE TRAFFIC COMES IN ONE WAY AND LEAVES ONE WAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE, EITHER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE

CONSIDERED THAT OR NOT. >> SPEAKER: I DON'T THINK WE DID. I'M NOT SAYING -- LIKE I SAY, I WASN'T STROFD IN INITIAL DESIGN. SINCE THAT TIME I HAVE HAD

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WE CAN DO TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. >> MR. MATOVINA: WE DON'T OFTEN HAVE STAFF THAT IS ADD MALT AGAINST THIS.

>> SPEAKER: I UNDERSTAND. I DID NOT KNOW HE WAS THAT MUCH

OPPOSED. >> MR. MATOVINA: THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL BIT RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T OFTEN HAVE THAT HAPPEN.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I CONCUR. >> SPEAKER: AND I DON'T LIKE GOING AGAINST STAFF, SO IT'S NOT LIKE I -- YOU KNOW, I DID NOT REALIZED HE THAT HE WAS THAT MUCH IN OPPOSITION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: PERHAPS HEARING THE SENTIMENT OF THE FOLKS HERE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE?

>> SPEAKER: I CAN DO THAT. AND WE'LL GET WITH THEM.

I'M FINE WITH THE CONTINUANCE SO WE CAN GET WITH THE COUNTY STAFF SO WE CAN COME UP WITH OTHER ALTERNATIVES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHAT DATE WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE CONTINUED

TO? >> SPEAKER: I'M SURE -- I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO TO BCC NOT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 6TH FOR SOME REASON, SO WHAT'S THE NEXT DATE?

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S YOUR NEXT -- >> TERESA BISHOP: YOUR NEXT PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEETING IS AUGUST 4TH.

THAT'S TWO WEEKS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ENOUGH TIME FOR THIS NEGOTIATION TO OCCUR WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND WITH THE COUNTY TO TRY TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE SITUATION.

THEN THE NEXT MEETING IS AUGUST 18TH.

THERE ARE 11 ITEMS ON THAT MEETING.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE, MS. FLEET? I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT BUT YOU TELL US WHICH YOU WOULD LIKE AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET THERE.

>> SPEAKER: I'LL GO WITH THE 18TH.

[Items 11, 13 & 14]

>> MR. MATOVINA: WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS POINT? MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: I'LL MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 12 UNTIL AUGUST 18TH AT THE PZA MEETING.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THERE'S BY MOTION BY MS. PERKINS TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO AUGUST 18TH WITH SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK FP&L. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

THANK YOU, MS. FLEET. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT. >> SPEAKER: NOW, MS. TAYLOR, WE ARE GOING TO DO ITEMS 13, 14 AND 11 TOGETHER, AND WE ARE DOING THEM THAT THAT ORDER, 13, 14, THEN 11 BUT IT'S REALLY ONE PRESENTATION. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE ON THIS ITEM?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: ZERO. >> MR. MATOVINA: I HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE, AND MS. TAYLOR CALLED ME AND SAID, HEY, THIS THING IS OUT OF ORDER.

WE NEED TO GET IT NOAFERRED. AND IN ORDER.

SHE'S ALWAYS RIGHT. WE'VE GOT IT IN ORDER.

ALL RIGHT, MS. TAYLOR. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. I THINK I ASKED.

I JUST KIND OF EXPLAINED THAT IF I DID ITEM NUMBER 11 FIRST, I'VE HAD TO SAY A LOT OF STUFF ABOUT THE OTHER TWO ITEMS, SO I APPRECIATE THE CHANGE. SO KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAGOSSA STREET. WITH ME IS CHRIS WHITBURG.

HE'S WITH WESTMINSTER SERVICES AND ALSO LEE THOMAS WHO THOMPO IS THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.

AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY KIND OF TWO ARE GROUPED TOGETHER, WHICH WOULD BE THE SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT AND THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR WHAT THEY'RE CALLING SOUTHWOOD IV, PART OF WESTMINSTER AT JULINGTON CREEK, AND THE THIRD ITEM IS THE MINOR MODIFICATION TO THE WESTMINSTER WOODS PUD WHICH IS A VERY LARGE PUD, AND THESE WOULD NOT BE THE SAME PUD.

BUT THEY'LL BE OWNED BY SAME COMPANY.

SO THE SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR 6.05 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL A TO RESIDENTIAL C, AND THAT'S IN ORDER TO ADD TEN INDEPENDENT SENIOR LIVING UNITS TO A RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED MEMORY CARE FACILITY THAT'S JUST FINISHING UP. REZONING WOULD BE TO CHANGE THE ZONING ON THAT SAME 6.05 ARES FROM OPEN RURAL TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR THOSE INDEPENDENT SENIOR LIVING UNITS.

AND IT WOULD STILL INCLUDE THE MEMORY CARE OBVIOUSLY.

AND THEN THE PUD MODIFICATION IS FOR A MULTI-PURPOSE PATHWAY WITHIN THAT PUD, AND THAT SOUTHERN PART OF THAT PUD IS CALLED SOUTHWOOD VILLAGE, SO YOU'LL HEAR ME CALL IT THAT A NUMBER OF TIMES, AND TO ALLOW FOR INTERCONNECTIVITY WITH THIS

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YOU CAN SEE THE USES WITHIN THE PUD.

THIS IS THE SOUTHWOOD VILLAGE PART OF THE WESTMINSTER PUD THAT I BA TALKING ABOUT AS WELL, AND THEN THE 6.05-ACRE SITE, THERE IS COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY TO THE SOUTH.

THAT'S AN OFFICE COMPLEX. AND THEN THERE'S A COMMERCIAL TO THIS SIDE AS WELL. THAT'S THAT INTERSECTION OF RACETRACK AND 13. JUST FOR THE LAND USE TO SHOW THAT YOU ALTHOUGH JULINGTON CREEK OR THE WEMENT WOODS PORTION IS IN RESIDENTIAL D EXCEPT FOR A SMALL PORTION OF SOUTHWOOD PIECE. THE PIECE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE COMP PLAN CHANGE IS IN RESIDENTIAL A AT THIS TIME. AGAIN SHOWING THE ZONING, YOU CAN SHOW THE ZONING OF THE PUD IN THE WEMENT WOODS AND THE OT ZONING AND YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY QUITE LARGE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ZONINGS. SO THE SMALL SCALE AMOUNTED WOULD BE TO DO THAT AND AGAIN WE JUST KIND OF WENT THROUGH THAT.

THE REQUEST FOR THE OTHER, THAT MEMORY CARE SITE WAS PERMITTED, WAS IN 2021, AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH COMPLETED.

THE AT THAT TIME AS ALLOWED WITHIN THE ZONING, OR ZONING, THERE'S NO DENSITY REQUIREMENT WHEN YOU DO THAT, SO WE DIDN'T NEED TO DO A LAND USE CHANGE OR REZONING.

CURRENTLY AGAIN THEY WANTED TO ADD SOME OF THE TYPES OF UNITS THAT THEY HAVE IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH TO IT, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE NEW -- A NEW SITE WAS CHOSEN FOR THAT.

THE MEMORY CARE DIDN'T HAVE A SPACE FOR A PLACE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE OVERALL SITE FOR THE WESTMINSTER WOODS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED. BUT THIS SITE WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO, HAVE ITS OWN DEVELOPMENT EDGE AND COMMUNITY SPACE AND OPEN SPACE.

SO IT'S KIND OF PLANNED AS AN EXTENSION TO THAT WESTMINSTER WOODS PUD. AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT BIG PUD, IT INCLUDES 70 VILLAS WHICH ARE THE COMPLEX AND TRIPLEX UNITS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING ON THIS SITE.

355 GARDEN PARMDZ APARTMENTS, A HEALTH CARE CENTER THAT HAS UP TO 120 SKILLED NURSING BEDS. THAT'S ON THE SITE NOW.

THERE'S AN OLDER VERSION. AND 80 ASSISTED LIVING UNITS.

SO A LOT OF THESE ARE EXISTING ON THAT SITE AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE REPLACED OVER TIME. SOME OF THOSE ARE GETTING PRETTY OLD. BUT IT ALSO HAS SOME SUPPORT FACILITIES AND WELLNESS AND FITNESS CENTER, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE PEOPLE. THAT WOULD BE ON THIS SITE.

OBVIOUSLY NOT THE MEMORY CARE FOLKS BUT THE PEOPLE IN THE INDEPENDENT LIVING. SO RESIDENTIAL C ALLOWS UP TO SIX UNITS AN ACRE WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR 36 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

OUR PLAN IS TO INCLUDE THE MEMORY CARE, WHICH IS 32 BEDS, AND UNDER YOUR -- THE LDC, THE SPECIAL CARE HOUSING WOULD CONSIDER THAT EVERY BED WOULD BE 2.5 BEDS TO EACH ONE RESIDENTIAL UNIT, SO THAT TRANSLATES INTO 13 UNITS.

AND THEN THE ADDITION OF THE TWO COMPLEXESES AND THE TWO TRIPLEXES WOULD ADD ANOTHER. WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR A TOTAL OF, IT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 23 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AND AT ABOUT 3.8 ACRES, SO WE'RE NO UTILIZING THAT FULL 6, BUT THERE'S NO PLACE IN BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL B AND C.

SO THIS JUST TO SHOW YOU, AND AGAIN THE ORGANS D PORTION.

THIS WAS A PORTION THAT WEED ADDED TO THE WESTMINSTER WOODS PUD A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO TO COMPLETE THE SOUTHWOOD SO IT'S THE SAME THING, SO IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THAT AS WELL AND IT

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THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WRNS YOU CHANGED TO IT RESIDENTIAL C. AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LESS DENSITY AS WELL ON THIS ONE EVEN FROM THE ONE TO THE NORTH.

AGAIN, ZONING FOR THAT PARTICULAR.

AND THIS IS JUST A PICTURE KIND SHOWING A LITTLE BIT BETTER OF WHAT THINGS LOOK LIKE, AND I GOT THIS OFF THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S SO IT ACTUALLY SHOWS YOU THAT FACILITY THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IT ACTUALLY SHOWS YOU THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES. IT'S A LOT CLEARER.

AND IT SHOWS YOU THE SOUTH SD VILLAGE AS WELL.

THIS IS THE GENERALIZED SITE PLAN, SO UNDER THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE THE SITE PLAN THAT GOES WITH THAT, AND IT SHOWS THOSE 23 DWELLING UNITS AS THE MEMORY CARE AND DUPLEXES AND I GAVE E IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WHICH YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED. BUT I ALSO WANTED TO COMPARE IT TO THE DEVELOPMENT, THE SOUTHWOOD DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH, AND THAT ACTUALLY IS ABOUT 4.08 UNITS PER ACRE SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE DENSE THAN OURS.

BUT THESE ARE THE INDY SAME KIND OF UNITS.

YOU CAN EVEN SEE FROM THE FOOTPRINTS THEY'RE THE SAME KIND OF LAYOUT. THEN WE GET TO THE PUD AND WE GET TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND JUST A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. WE'VE GOT SOME CRITERIA TO ALLOW THIS RESIDENTIAL USE AND ACCESSORY TYPE USES FOR THAT.

A 35-FOOT MOOK HEIGHT. WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING 25 IS THE MAX. THE MEMORY CARE WOULD BE THE HIGHEST. CERTAIN SETBACKS, AND THEN PARKING. WE'RE DOING STANDARD PARKING, NOT RETIREMENT TYPE OF PARKING. IN WESTMINSTER WOODS WHEN WIEFT AN ONE PER UNIT FOR THE APARTMENTS AND THINGS, BUT THESE ARE MORE TYPICAL OF A REGULAR RESIDENTIAL UNIT, SO THEY PROVIDE ACTUALLY GARAGES. AND WE HAVE A SMALL COMMUNITY SPACE AS WELL AS THE MULTI-PURPOSE PATH CONNECTION.

AND THAT MULTI-PURPOSE PATH CONNECTION IS RIGHT UP HERE.

AND I'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE I KIND OF BLEW IT UP A LITTLE CLOSER JUST TO SHOW YOU WHERE THAT IS.

INITIALLY THAT'LL BE A PATHWAY, BUT IT EVENTUALLY WILL BE ALONG THE SIDEWALK IN THE ROADWAY. AND AGAIN I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO A BUNCH OF DALT WITH THAT. THIS IS A JUST A PICTURE FROM THE SITE LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS THE OFFICE COMPLEX.

THIS IS A PICTURE LOOKING AT OUR SITE INTO THE HOUSE TO THE NORTH. AND ACTUALLY THOSE FOLKS WERE AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING, AND WE DISCUSSED WITH THEM, THERE'S AN ACCESS EASEMENT THAT ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY TO THAT PROPERTY THAT'S OURS THAT WOULD BE BEHIND IT OR TO THE IMMEDIATE WEST, AND SO WE'VE AGREED TO WORK OUT GETTING RID OF THAT SO THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING DONE MANY YEARS AGO PROBABLY WHEN THEY SPLIT THAT LOT.

IT SHOWS THAT DRIVEWAY ACCESS, AND THEN THE SOUTHWOOD TO BE ELIMINATED. THIS IS KIND OF LOOKING UP THE STREET, A LITTLE TO THE NORTH ALONG ORANGE AVENUE JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA. THIS IS THE ENTRANCE ON ORANGE AVENUE TO SOUTHWOOD SPRINKLE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THESE UNITS LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS LIKE.

IT WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO THAT. THIS IS THE NEW FACILITY AND THE ENTRANCE DRIVE FROM ORANGE AVENUE.

YOU GET UP A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AND YOU CAN SEE EVEN THE DESIGN OF THIS IS TO LOOK MORE LIKE SINGLE-FAMILY.

THEY EVEN HAVE THE GARAGE DOOR OPENING.

SO JUST ANOTHER LOOK. SO THAT KIND OF SUMS UP THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE PUD. NOW, THE REQUEST FOR THE MINOR MODIFICATION, THAT IS TO ALLOW FOR THAT MULTI-PURPOSE PATHWAY TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT AND ALLOW FOR THAT INTERCONNECTIVITY.

IT'S A MODIFICATION TO THE PUD WHEN.

WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS, IT'S LIMITED FORM OF ACCESS SO THIS IS A MINOR MOD RATHER THAN A MAJOR MOD LIKE YOU JUST HEARD BEFORE THAT WHEN YOU'RE ADDING A NEW ACCESS POINT.

SO THAT AGAIN WE HAVE THAT. WE WANT TO PUT THOSE TWO COMMUNITIES TOGETHER. THIS IS AN 8-FOOT WIDE PATHWAY THAT CONNECTS, AND THEY'VE WOIFNT THROUGH THE TREES, AND I, WOVEN IT THROUGH THE TREES, AND I WON'T GO INTO A BUNCH DETAIL BUT THIS WOULD MATCH, THIS WOULD PUT THESE TWO TOGETHER, AND SO THAT THEY HAVE USE ALL THESE FACILITIES WITHOUT NECESSARILY FOR THE TEN UNITS SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM IF THEY WANT TO USE DINING, THE LIBRARY, THE AUDITORIUMS, THE WELLNESS CENTERS. AND ON THE OTHER WAY, PROBABLY IF YOU HAPPEN TO DPLIF LIVE IN THE OTHER PART OF THE COMMUNITY

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SOME OF THEM WALK. THERE'S THAT.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SMALL CARTS FOR MAINTENANCE AND FOR BRINGING SUPPLIES BACK AND FORTH THAT THEY WOULD USE, SO IT WOULD KEEP SOME TRAFFIC OFF THE ROAD. AND JUST AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIP TO THAT, AND THE SOUTH WROOD RELATIONSHIP SOUTHO THIS, WHICH YOU HAVE KIND JUST SEEN SO IT'S THE SAME KIND OF THING.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN AND YOU HAVE TO SURIN TURN SIDEWAYS U WANT TO LOOK AT IT. THE SOIRTSDZWOOD PORTION IS DOWN HERE. THIS WOULD BE NORTH UP TO JULINGTON CREEK. THAT WAS IN CASE EID YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS. THE SOUTHWOOD ITSELF, IT SHOWS THAT YOU CONNECTION. SO THIS THE ENTRANCE OFF BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. THIS IS THE NS INTRA OFF ORANGE RAV. AND THERE IS A PARKING LOT AREA THERE. AND SO THEY HAVE WOUND IT THROUGH THERE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE TO KIND OF COME THROUGH, AND THEN IT WOULD CONTINUE IN THE DEVELOPMNT EDGE OF THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.

THAT'S KIND OF SHOWING YOU HOW IT TIES TOGETHER.

AND BEFORE THEY BUILD THE ADDITIONAL UNITS WHERE THAT PATHWAY WOULD BE BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY DO THAT AND FINISH THAT. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE BILL PARKING LOT THAT I WAS JUST SHOWING YOU, SO THAT'S THAT INITIAL CONNECTION WITH THE SOUTHWOOD VILLAGE, NOT THE SOUTHWOOD FOREST, SOUTHWOOD SPRINKLE.

THIS KIND OF GOES THROUGH AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH, THEY WIND THROUGH THESE FREES AND THEN THEY HAVE THESE TREES, AND AT THE VERY BACK HERE IS WHERE YOU SEE THE OTHER SOUTHWOOD SITE.

SO I'LL JUST SUM IT UP THAT ITEM 13 WAS THE SMALL SCALE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE CHANGE FROM RES-A TO RES-C.

SAME DENSITY LAND USE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT ON THAT NORTH CAMPUS. VERY SIMILAR IN STYLE.

SAME TYPE OF THING THAT'S BEEN DEEMED COMPATIBLE THAT SOUTHWOOD VILLAGE THAT HAS BEEN THERE S AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AND IT'S IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF OF THE COMP PLAN AS WELL AS THE REGIONAL POLICY PLAN AND STATE COMP PLAN.

AS I MENTIONED, WE DO HOLD A COMMUNITY MEETING ON MAY 26TH.

WE DID HAVE THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE KIND OF THAT CUT-OUT BETWEEN COMP. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE USES. THEY WERE JUST WITH THE EASEMENT, AND THAT IS WITH AN OLD EASEMENT THAT CHRIS IS WORKING WITH TO GET THAT GONE. WE ACTUALLY MADE SURE THAT EVERYTHING GOT DISCONTINUED FROM USING BECAUSE THERE WERE ACTUALLY SOME TRUCKS USING IT. SO WE'D LIKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR THIS COMP LAN AMENDMENT.

THEN FOR THE PUD, THAT KIND OF TAKES THAT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND THEN REFINES IT INTO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DINING.

WE MEET THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND BUFFERING.

AGAIN, IT'S RESIDENTIAL TYPE USES AND IT'S SIMILAR AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

AND THE THIRD IS THE MINOR MODIFICATION.

JUST TO CHEEP THINGS KIND OF CLEAR, THE MINOR MODIFICATION IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE OTHER TWO. OBVIOUSLY THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT EXPTD PUD HAVE TO GO TOGETHER AND THEY ARE DEPENDENT ON EACH OTHER. THIS IS INDEPENDENT BECAUSE THIS IS A SEPARATE PUD, SO AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.

THERE'S CERTAINLY THE CHANGES TO THIS LIKE GIANT PUD, AS YOU NOTICED, WHICH, BY THE WAY, HAS BEEN AROUND FOR MANY, MANY MOONS. IT MEETS ALL THOSE CRITERIAS FOR THAT RESIDENTIAL C AND D. IT MAKES VERY SMALL PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS, CHANGES TO THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SITE, AND ACTUALLY, AND THAT'S PART OF THE UNUSED AREA.

IT'S PART OF THE BUFFERED AREA. AND THE OVERALL PLANS, AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA THAT I LIST THERE ABOUT DENSITY, INTENSITY, THOSE ARE ALL A PART OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE FOR A MINOR MODIFICATION.

APPROVAL DOESN'T AFFECT THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT COUNTY PER THE COMP PLAN, AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE TRENDS IN THE AREA. IT WON'T ADVERSELY EFFECT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS.

IT'S -- WITH THE OBJECTIVES AND STANDARDS OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE EXPECT AND AS I MENTIONED IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.

AND THIS WILL LETTERS PROVIDE SOMETHING AS A RECREATIONAL AMENITY FOR BOTH. SO THIS REQUEST WOULD BE TODAY, MINOR MODIFICATION WOULD BE FOR APPROVAL TODAY RATHER THAN A

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ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM AGENCY MEMBERS? DISO DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS CARDS.

ED ZOELLER. DOES DON WANT TO GO FIRST? COMB ON. COME ON.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD RECORD PLEASE.

>> NAMED IS DONALD ARNESON. I AM A CURRENT DESCREANT 25 STATE ROAD 13 WHICH IS ON THE PROPERTY, BUT I'M SURE ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.

I WISH AS WHICH IS A COMMITS DUEL ELECTED AND APPOINTED TO REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS, OVER 350 RESIDENTS OF THE CURRENT PUD. AND WE ARE NOT IN OPPOSITION, HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE SOME DIVEST AND SOME CLARIFICATIONS THAT WE NEED. I WISH THAT I COULD SAY THAT COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN FORTHRIGHT BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND US, BUT IT UNFORTUNATELY HAS NOT BEEN.

WE'RE WORKING ON THAT, AND THAT IS -- I'M JUST THE NEW RECENT CHAIR, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES IN ADMINISTRATION.

SO OUR PRIMARY CONCERN OR MY PRIMARY CONCERN AS THE CHAIR IS THE FACT THAT IT IS MORE THAN JUST A ACCESS PATH.

IT IS ACTUALLY -- IT IS ACTUALLY A PATH OF TRAVEL.

EXHAUST SEE THE DISTANCE FROM THE NORTHERNMOST PART OF THE COMMUNITY ALL THE WAY TO MEMORY CARE, ON PAPER IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 6 INCHES BUT IN ACTUALITY IT IS ALMOST A MILE, SO THERE'S QUITE RAY DISTANCE. THE NEW MEMORY CARE FACILITY IS PART OF AN SPHWIERD CONTINUED CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY ALSO KNOWN AS A LIFE PLAN COMMUNITY WE'RE ALL OLDER RESIDENTS 65 AND ABOVE UP TO 103 ACTUALLY. AS SUCH, IT IS VITAL THAT THE MEMORY CARE FACILITY MUST HAVE ADEQUATE ADA COMPLIANT ACCESS TO ALL FACILITIES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

THIS INCLUDES BUT NOT LIMITED TO FAMILY, SPHRIRTS, MEMORY CARE RESIDENTS, AND FRIENDS WHO MAY BE DISABLED PHYSICALLY OR VISIBLY IMPAIRED. THE PATH MUST ALSO PROVIDE SAFE AND EFFECTIVE TRAVEL FOR SUPPORT SERVICES AND STAFF SUCH AS MAINTENANCE, HOUSEKEEPING, SECURITY, NURSING, PHYSICAL THERAPY, FITNESS AND EXERCISE INSTRUCTOR, CHAPLAIN, MARKETING, VENDORS, AND DINING SERVICES JUST TO LIST A FEW.

THE FINAL CONCERN IS FOR THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC CROSSING BISHOP ESTATES FROM MAIN CAMPUS ONTO THE CURRENT SOUTHWOOD SITE.

CURRENT CARS MISAVOID THE WALKWAY AND EITHER TRAVEL NORTH ON BISHOP ESTATES ROAD FOR APPROXIMATELY 1 PUN HUNDRED FEET OR CROSS BISHOP ESTATES ROAD AND ENTER TRAVELING ACROSS THE EGRESS LANE TO GET INTO TIN GRESS LANE INTO SOUTHWOOD.

BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED PARKING AND THE MEMORY CARE FACILITY, THERE ARE ONLY CURRENTLY 12, TWO OF WHICH WILL BE HANDICAPPED OR ADA REQUIREMENT, IT IS WITH CERTAINTY THE PATH OF TRAVEL WOULD BECOME A MAJOR TRAFFIC ROUT ROUTE BETWEEN THE MAIN CAMPUS, EASTWOOD, SOUTHWOOD AND MAGNOLIA NORTH POINT NEIGHBORHOODS. AS A VEHICLE, AND MY QUESTION WOULD BE HAS A VEHICLE. AND FOOT TRAFFIC ICE STUDY BEEN CONDUCTED TO DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE USING THIS ACCESS AND ASSURE SAFETY PASSAGES FROM THE POINT OF THEIR OR INDIGENT TO ENTIRE MEMORY CARE FACILITY.

THEIR ORIGIN. I WOULD ASK FOR EXTRA TIME BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY ADDRESSING THE THREE ISSUES BECAUSE THEY'RE

ALL COMBINED. >> MR. MATOVINA: STIR, WE'VE GOT A LOT LEFT TO GET DONE TODAY.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. CAN I JUST CONTINUE THAT THE SOUTHWOOD DIAGRAM ON PAGE 45 SHOWS THE PROPOSED PATH OF TRAVEL FROM THE CURRENT ROAD TO -- AND IT CONNECTS TO A TEMPORARY PATH DISCUSSED IN THE SOUTHWOOD APPLICATION.

THAT PATH IS CURRENTLY A TEMPORARY PATH AND TO BE COMPLIANT, WE REALLY ARE SEEKING EITHER FOR AN ASSURANCE THAT THAT WILL BE A PERMANENT PATH RATHER THAN A TEMPORARY PATH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, SIR.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> MS. PERKINS: ED, WOULD YOU

LIKE TO COME UP. >> SPEAKER: HI.

MY NAME IS ED ZOELLER. LIVE AT 190 UNIT C, TULIP BOOD COURT. SENATE OF WHEN YOU SAW THE PICTURES UP THERE, YOU SAW MY SIDE YARD AND MY BACKYARD OF THE VILLAS LIVING IN WESTMINSTER WOODS.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ALSO THAT NOT ONLY IS MY BACKYARD AND SIDE YARD AFFECTED, BUT THERE ARE FIVE VILLAS THAT ARE DIRECTLY

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BUT BASICALLY BEYOND THAT FLR FOUR POINTS OF CONCERN THAT WE ARE VERY CONCERNED WITH IN TERMS OF HAVING THAT CART PATH.

NUMBER ONE IS THE PATH THAT YOU SAW PROJECTED UP ON THE SCREEN THERE SHOWED THE PATH JOGGING INTO THE THICKET.

THAT THICKET RIGHT NOW IS A VERY IMPORTANT BARRIER BETWEEN US AND BARTRAM WALKS. BARTRAM WALKS IS A SHOPPING CENTER WITH A LOT OF SECURITY LIGHTING, A LOT OF LIGHTING ON STANCHIONS SO THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LIGHT SOLUTION THAT COMES FROM BARTRAM WALKS, NOT TO MENTION THE NOISE POLLUTION. THAT THICKET THAT IS EXISTING THERE NOW THAT WILL BE RUINED WITH THIS CART PATH, THAT THICKET PROVIDES A VERY IMPORTANT BARRIER FOR OUR COMFORT, OUR SECURITY AND OUR PRIVACY.

SECONDLY, OUR CONCERN IS THAT THE CART PATH BE MADE OF A PERMEABLE MATERIAL IN PART OR IN WHOLE.

SINCE, AS YOU SAW FROM THAT PICTURE THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES, A LOT OF LANDSCAPING, A LOT OF THICKET INVOLVED, A PERMANENT CART PATH WILL ALLOW WATER TO GO THROUGH TO THE ROOTS OF THOSE TREES AND NOT KILL THOSE TREES AND NOT KILL THAT THICT THAT IS EXISTING BACK THERE.

THIRDLY, VERY CONCERNED THAT THERE WILL BE GROUND LEVEL LIGHTS ALONG THAT PATH AS OPPOSED TO THE STANCHION LIGHTS THAT OCCUR THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.

OUR BEDROOMS FACE THAT PATH. WE DON'T WANT THE ADDITIONAL LIGHT POLLUTION TO BE COMING IN. WE WOULD RATHER HAVE GROUND LEVEL LIGHTS POINTED AWAY FROM THE VILLAS.

FOURTHLY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ENS IFING AND LANDSCAPING THAT WILL PROTECT THE TBROOMED WINDOWS BEDROOF THOSE VILLAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS CART PATH.

INCIDENTAL, ALL OF THESE POINTS HAVE BEEN RAISED NUMEROUS TIMES STARTING AT LEAST IN OCTOBER OF GOTTEN ANY DEFINITE ANSWER, SO WHEN I SEE THE PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT CART PATH THAT JOGS ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE INTO THE THICKET, I BECOME VERY CONCERNED THAT ALL OF THESE POINTERS BEING IGNORED.

SO I APPRECIATE APPEARING BEFORE THE BOARD TODAY, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, BUT WE HAVE VERY MUCH -- VICTIM CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THIS CART -- VERY MANY CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THIS CART PATH WILL BE EXECUTED, NOT TO MENTION THE CONCERNS OF ADA THAT DON JUST MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO. THANKS FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: NO MORE SPEAKERS CARDS.

MS. TAYLOR, WOULD YOU LOOK TO OFFER SOME REBUTTAL.

>> SPEAKER: I'M GOING TO START WITH MAYBE BACKWARDS HERE BECAUSE OF THIS PATHWAY. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS PATHWAY IS THAT IT WINDS THROUGH THESE OPEN AREAS THAT I WAS SHOWING YOU. I KNOW THE LAST GENTLEMAN SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE THICKET, SO WE MAY COME BACK TO THAT, BUT IT IS NOT DISTURBING ANY OF THAT THAT IS BETWEEN THEM AND THE COMMERCIAL, AND, IN FACT, WE ALSO HAD TO ADD QUITE A ABOUT O THE MEMORY CARE FACILITY FOR THAT AS WELL, TOO, BECAUSE THAT IS A COMMERCIAL FACILITY IN THERE.

BUT ANYWAY, TO LOOK AT THE TWO PUT TOGETHER, THAT ISN'T A MILE UNLESS I THINK MR. ERNST, BECAUSE IT CONNECTS INTO THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT THAT HE'S REFERRING TO, BUT AGAIN, IT'S REALLY JUST IN THE SOUTH TWOOD PART.

HE WAS TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CROSSING ALONG BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. WE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT OVER THE YEARS, TRIED SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

THERE IS THE FLASHING LIGHTS AND LIKE THAT.

SO THERE IS A CROSSING ALONG THERE.

THEY TALKED ABOUT LIMITED PARKING AT THE MEMORY CARE.

THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOT MORE PARKING THAN THEY NEED FOR THE MEMORY CARE. AND THEN WHEN THEY DO ADD THE OTHER, THEY'VE GOT GUEST PARKING AS WELL.

BUT YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER, MEMORY CARE PEOPLE DON'T GO ANYWHERE, SO THESE ARE STRIRTS THAT COME TO SEE THEM, AND THERE IS SOME STAFF. IT'S NOT A LOT OF -- ALL THE STAFF, ALL THE VISITORS, UNLESS YOU WERE PART OF THE WESTMINSTER WOODS COMMUNITY, WOULD COME FROM ORANGE AVENUE THROUGH THE ENTRANCE ROAD THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING AS YOU GO BACK TO LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN SO ANYWAY, THAT ACTIVITY TAKES CARE OF ALL OF THAT ACTIVITY THAT WOULD BE GOING ON IN THAT

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I'M GOING TO LET LEE ADDRESS MAYBE THE MATERIALS AND SOME OF THE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP REGARDING THE

ENGINEERING. >> SPEAKER: E. LEE THOMPSON, H&T CONSULTING JEESHES, 9310 OLD KINGS ROAD SOUTH, SUITE 1001 JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA 32257. YEAH, CURRENTLY THE PROPOSED PATH IS, IS PROPOSED AS CONCRETE PATH AND IT IS TEMPORARY IN THAT UNTIL WE DEVELOP THIS OTHER PHASE OF THE MEMORY CARE SITE WITH THE VILLAS, WE HAD TO HAVE A PATH TO BE ABLE TO DO THE INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE MEMORY CARE AND THE EXISTING WESTMINSTER FACILITY, SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE SAYING TEMPORARY. ONCE THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES THROUGH, THE THE PATH WOULD BE PERMANENT.

IT WOULD BE THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE ROADWAY CONNECTING TO THE MEMORY CARE FACILITY. SKO IT WOULD BE PERMANENT AND IT'S PROPOSED TO BE CONCRETE. AS FAR AS THE SECTION ON THE UPPER END, WE PROPOSED A NEW CONCRETE AND WE DID WORK VERY HARD TO TRY TO PLAN UPHER AROUND ALL THE EXISTING TREES, STAY OUT OF THE VEGETATION, AND ALSO WORK WITH THE EXISTING DRAINAGE THERE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S DRAINED PROPERLY.

SO THAT -- WE REALLY DID DO THAT.

WE'RE NOT IMPACTING ANY OF THE SHRUB LINES OR ANY OF THAT AS FAR AS THIS. AND AS FAR AS THE LIGHTING GOES WEEK THE PROPOSED LIGHTING FOR THE TEMPORARY PATH RIGHT NOW IS LOW LEVEL LIGHTING JUST SO THERE IS LIGHT ON THE PATH.

IT'S NOT ANYTHING WITH ANY POLES OR ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND WE HAVE SUBMITTED THIS THROUGH THE COUNTY AND IT'S BEEN THROUGH THE REVIEWS FOR THE TEMPORARY PATH.

>> SPEAKER: SO BASICALLY AGAIN, TO KIND OF ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S ALWAYS -- I'VE WORKED WITH WESTMINSTER WOODS SOME SINCE 1993, ACTUALLY, SO I CAN SAY IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS, AND IT CHANGES WITH RESIDENTS AND HOW RESIDENTS INTERACT, SO I THINK MAYBE WE'VE HEARD SOME THINGS TODAY THAT ARE THINGS THAT THEY CAN GET WITH FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE THERE. EXRIS IS AN OVERALL --IS IS AN OVERALL GENERAL THING AND WE DID DISCUSS SOME OF THESE THINGS AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING. I THOUGHT WE HAD KIND OF RESOLVED THEM, BUT AGAIN, SO I TALKED ABOUT HEAD LIGHTS.

THIS ISN'T EXPECTED TO BE MUCH OF A USED PATHWAY.

THE IDEA IS AGAIN YOU'VE GOT TEN RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

THEY WOULD BE GOING TO THE NORTH.

THEY WOULDN'T BE GOIG GOING -- YOU KNOW, WE THEY WOULD BE GOING AND COMING BACK FROM THERE. YOU MOOT HAVE PEOPLE VISITING EACH OTHER BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS.

SO -- BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO REALLY DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, SO TO SPEAK, AS TO HOW MUCH PEOPLE WOULD USE IT, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD WALK, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BIKE IT, AND THE MAINTENANCE OR ANY SUPPLIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE VERY MINIMAL. IT WOULD BE ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK. YOU'RE NO TALKING ABOUT THAT ON A DAILY BASIS. SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO

ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ASK ONE QUESTION. THEVILLE A RESIDENTS ARE NOT OWNERS. THEY ARE RENTERS.

THAT IS RIGHT? CAN THEY OWN THE VILLAS?

>> SPEAKER: LET ME LET CHRIS ANSWER HOW THAT WORKS.

CHRIS IS WITH WESTMINSTER SERVICES.

>> SPEAKER: HI. CHRIS WITH ITBURG, VICE PRESIDENT, STEIN AND CONSTRUCTION WITH BEMENTS SERVICES WITH 80 WEST LUCERNE CIRCLE BE WITH ORLANDO.

THE RESIDENTS HAVE A CONTRACT WITH US.

THEY DO NOT OWN ANY OF THE PROPERTY.

WE OWN ALL THE PROPERTY. WE ARE PUTTING THE SIDEWALK IN OR THE MULTI-PURPOSE PATH AS A CONVENIENCE TO ALL THE RESIDENTS AND ALL THE TEAM MEMBERS AND ALL THE STAFF RATHER THAN FORCING PEOPLE TO GO OUT ON THE ROAD. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOME CHALLENGES WITH DISRUPTIONS AS WE WORK AND RENOVATE OUR CAMPUSES, AND SOMETIMES RESIDENTS MAY NOT BE 100% IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO BUT THE BIG SCHEME AND THE BIG OVERALL FOCUS IS ON RESIDENT SAFETY AND CONVENIENCE FOR THE

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RESIDENTS OF OUR COMMUNITIES. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY.

IF WE HAVE NO OTHERES REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. AND WE'RE STARTING WITH ITEM -- WHAT ARE WE STARTING WITH? -- ITEM 13.

PLZ PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: NOTION TO ROOM APPROVAL OF MANY COULD PLAN AMENDMENT SMALL SCALE TWOONT 04 SOUTHWOOD IV WESTMINSTER WADE'S UPON FOUR FINDING OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT SMANCHTS SO MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PETER. ANY DISCUSSION?

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE HEARD THE RESIDENTS THAT SPOKE, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT MS. TAYLOR FOLKS FROM WESTMINSTER WOULD GET WITH THEM AND TRY TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE ISSUES.

CONCRETE PATH IS GREAT. I DON'T SEE WHY IT COULDN'T BE PERVIOUS MATERIAL RATHER THAN IMPERVIOUS.

SO I JUST HOPE YOU COULD WORK OUT SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES THAT WE HEARD, AND I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS, ALL THREE OF THEM, BUT JUST TWHANT TO WANT TO MAKE SE THEY'RE HEARD AND RESPECTED.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOTION PASSES 7 TO 0. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 14.

IS THERE A MOTION? MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 2022-11 SOUTHWOOD IV WESTMINSTER PUD BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS

FACT. >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PIERRE. THE.

[15. CPA(SS) 2022-8 1180 County Road 13 S (021350-0110). ]

THAT MOTION PASSES 7 TO NOTHING. NOW LET'S GO BACK TO ITEM 11, REQUEST FOR A MINOR MODIFICATION.

IS THERE A MOTION? MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MOD RO 9 WESTMINSTER WOODS PUD BASED UPON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT

TO SIX CONDITIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. SECOND BY MR. PETERSON.

HEARING NO DISCUSSION, LET'S TAKE THE VOTE.

THAT ITEM PASSES 7 TO NOTHING. NOW WEAR GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 15 WHICH IS MR. DRIGERS AND IT IS A VERY FOR A SMALL SCWAIL LAND USE AMENDMENT SO THERE IS NO EX PARTE.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD DAY, EVERYONE.

WANE DRIGGERS. 10 SCENE ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA 32295. HERE TODAY TO REQUEST A SMALL SCALE CPA FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1180 COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH. IT'S AN APPROXIMATE HALF ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS ACTUALLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL.

HOWEVER, THERE WAS A 7 BY 78-FOOT PORTION SOLD TO THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH THAT TOOK IT OUT OF GRANDDAUGHTER STATUS FROM ITS FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. GRAWRNED.

AND THE SMALL SCALE CPA TO RESTORE IT TO A BUILDABLE STATUE AMENDMENT AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTIAL B ZONING IN ORDER TO MAKE IT A BUILDABLE LOT AGAIN. I'VE IMLUD A HIGHLIGHT OF THE SMALL SLIVER OF LAND THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED THAT WAS SOLD TO THE ABUTTING NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH.

I AM INCLUDED AN IMAGE OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES LOCATED SURROUNDING IT. SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANY -- ANY USE THAT IS NOT UNCOMMON IN THE AREA.

IT'S LOOKING TO BE BUILT AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE FUTURE, AND ALONG JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, ALONG COUNTY ROAD 13. I SHOWED AN IMAGE OF THE PROPERTY HA HAS ALREADY BEEN CLEARED, AND THE DRIVEWAY IS ALREADY INSTALLED, SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S JUST A STANDARD LOT AND NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN BUILT ON IT BEFORE.

THE GOAL IS TO BRING IT BACK TO A POINT WHERE IT CAN HAVE A HOME

BUILT ON IT. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY SPEAKER CARDS? BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

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MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO

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>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION FOR A APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS.

SECOND BY MR. MILLER. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE SPROAT.

VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES 7 TO NOTHING,

SIR. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >> MR. MATOVINA: 6 TO NOTHING.

WHO ARE WE MISSING? OKAY.

WE LOTZ MR. PETER. PASSES 6 TO NOTHING.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 16, AND MRS. AND MRS. HICKS.

AGAIN, THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, SO THERE IS NO

EX PARTE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MIKE HIGGS CURRENTLY LAV AT 2013 GLENFIELD CROSSING SWOART, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA 3209 BET I ALSO OWN 3650AL JILL AS TO ROAD. UNFORTUNATELY I'M THE UGLIER PART OF THE COUPLE THAT'S HERE TO REPRESENT US TODAY.

BUT WE HAVE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY N. AND ARE JUST DESIRING TO REQUEST TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE TO RESIDENTIAL A TO ALLOW THE 10-ACRE PROPERTY AS IT CURRENTLY IS TO BE SPLIT INTO TWO 5-ACRE PARCELS.

IN ADDITION WE REQUEST TO AMEND THE TEXTED TO ALLOW FOR ONLY ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO BE BUILT ON EACH PARCEL.

SO THIS WOULD ONLY RESULT IN ONE ADDITIONAL HOME BEING BUILT.

THERE'S ONE THAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED.

THE CURRENT ZONING DESIGNATION WILL REMAIN OPEN RURAL WHICH IS WHAT OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA ARE ZONED FOR ALSO.

THIS IS WHAT THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY LOUKS, A 10-ACRE PARCEL. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE -- HOW WE'RE PROPOSING TO SPLIT IT. SO THERE WOULD JUST BE ONE ADDITIONAL EASEMENT OFF OF JOE ASHTON ROAD TO ACCESS THAT PROPERTY. WE HIRED AN ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER TO COME OUT AND TO DO A WETLANDS DELINEATION SO WE THE D PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THERE, THE YELLOW PORTION, THAT CORNER.

THE SOIL MAP SHOWS THAT IT IS FINE -- OR THAT COY FINE SAND ON THE PROPERTY. THE ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER ALSO NOTED THAT THERE WERE NO SPECIES OF CONCERN ON THE PROPERTY, NO SIGNS OF ANY GOPHER TORTOISES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP. CURRENTLY IT'S ZONED AS FUTURE USE, RULE OF SILVICULTURE. AND IF CURRENT ZONING IS OPEN RURAL. THE SO OUR DESIRE IS JUST TO BE ABLE TO SPLIT THE LAND INTO TWO 5-ACRE PARCELS, BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON EACH ONE. OUR GOAL IS, OUR BEST FRIENDS AND THEIR FAMILY WOULD BUILD ON THE ADJOINING PARCEL.

IT'S BEEN AIR OUR DREAM TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT IN THE COUNTRY.

SOME OF Y'ALL MENTION THAT YOU HAD TOOK A RIDE DOWN TO ASHTON ROAD RECENTLY. BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL DRIVE, SO WE ARE BEYOND EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT THERE AND I THINK IT WAS MOVING FORWARD AND HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO MOVE OUT THERE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY SPEAKER CARDS? ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I SHALL MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF

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THE STAFF REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: SHOW A MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. PERKINS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES SIX TO NOTHING. AND NOW WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 17, AND I ASSUME WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM

MS. WHITTINGTON AND MR. SHAE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: IS IT SHAE

OR SHE? >> MR. MATOVINA: SHE.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M EXCITED TO PRESENT TODAY THE ELKTON INDUSTRIAL PARK, AND START MY PRESENTATION OFF HERE.

SO THE APPLICANT FOR THIS IS HDG ELKTON.

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I AM A FIFTH GENERATING FLORIDIAN, SOMETHING THAT I'M VERY PROUD OF. BEEN IN THE COUNTY SINCE 2002.

HAVE RAISED MY BOYS HERE AND HAVE LOVED LIVING HERE.

I OWN SEVERAL OTHER BUSINESSES, ALL WHICH ARE HEADQUARTERED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. OUR BUSINESSES ARE KNOWN FOR DOING REALLY GREAT THE WORK AND SOMETHING THAT I'M ALSO EXTREMELY PROUD OF IS THE FACT THAT WE GET BACK TO LOCAL NEEDS.

ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONS, IF YOU WILL, OF ALL OF MY COMPANIES IS THAT WAL DO THE WE ALWAYS DT THING ALWAYS.

THAT'S SOMETHING I DON'T TAKE LIGHTLY AT ALL WITH ANY OF MY EMPLOYEES. OUR MAIN BUSINESS IS BUILDING HOMES. IT'S A TOUGH BUSINESS.

BUT WE WILL ALWAYS AT THE END OF THE DAY DO THE RIGHT THING.

I BRING THAT UP TODAY, AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IN A SLIDE LATER, BECAUSE WHEN I GO AND IMPACT A PIECE OF LAND AND DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I TAKE LIGHTLY, EITHER.

THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE LONG LASTING, AND I REALLY DO A THOROUGH JOB IN STUDYING IT, MAKE SURE THAT WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS APPROPRIATE. MY TEAM CONSISTS KATHRYN WHITTINGTON WITH WHITTINGTON LAW.

MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP, KIMLEY-HORN AND LG2 ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE. SO QUICK SUMMARY OF THE APPLICATION. I'M SEEKING A LAND USE CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE TO INDUSTRIAL.

THIS ASK IS FOR 92 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER COUNTY ROAD 305 AND STATE ROAD 207. IFITES APPROVED BY BOTH PLANNING AND ZONING, WELL, IF IT'S APPROVED BY BCC THEN IT GO WILL GO TO STATE AGENCIES FOR COMMENT, FOR TRANSMITTAL, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES BACK WE WILL ACCOMPANY THE APPLICATION WITH OUR ZONING APPLICATION. SEE INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, IN ELKTON THERE IS ACTUALLY A SMALL COMMERCIAL NODE THAT'S LOCATED RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION OF STATE ROAD TWFNT 7 AND COUNTY ROAD 305 AND YOU CAN SEE A MIXED USE DISTRICT, RURAL COMMERCIAL BEING THE EMPLOYEE DMOONLT LAND USES THERE.

THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED TODAY IS RIGHT HERE ON THE EAST SIDE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IT'S MUCH OF WHAT I JUST SHOWED YOU.

YOU CAN SEE HOW THE PROPERTY LIES IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE REST OF THE COMMERCIAL NODE THERE. AND THEN TO THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, IF APPROVED, CHANGING THE LAND USE TO INDUSTRIAL.

THE EXISTING ZONING MAP SHOWS AGAIN MORE COMMERCIAL.

THERE IS INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AT THAT NODE.

JUST IN THE VERY SOUTHWEST CORNER OF BOTH OF THOSE MAPS YOU CAN BARELY SEE A LITTLE YELLOW. THERE IS INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE DOWN ON THAT SIDE AS WELL. YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT MAP THAT IF THERE IS APPROVED, STILL WAREHOUSE WOULD BE CONTIGUOUS TO THE OTHER COMMERCIAL USES. BUSINESSES THAT ARE SURROUNDING IN THIS AREA, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESSES IN ELKTON ARE ALL CONCENTRATED RIGHT IN THAT AREA. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A VET CLINIC, AUTOO SERVICE REPAIR, JIM'S RESTAURANT, THE POST OFFICE, AND THERE ARE OTHER AGRICULTURE AP BUSINESSES IN THE AREA. SO ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I BOUGHT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY INITIALLY IS KNOWING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR INTERSECTION IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THIS WAS TAKEN FROM ONE OF THE COUNTY'S MAPS AND THIS SHOWS THE 2209 ROADWAY ALIGNMENT, AND HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ARE THE LANDOWNERS THAT EITHER SOLD OR DEDICATED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THE COUNTY, TAKING IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THRNT 5, AND YOU CAN SEE -- 305 AND YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP ELK EXACTLY HOW THAT'LL LOOK AND HOW OUR SITE LIES IN RELATIONSHIP TO THAT NEW ROAD. THIS ROAD, ONCE EVENTUALLY BUILT, AND IT'S NOT IN THE PLANS TO BE BUILT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, WILL -- IS PLANNED TO HAVE SIX LANES AND BE A DIVIDED BY. SO THIS WILL BE A MAJOR INTERSECTION. AND IN A MUCH NEEDED NORTH-SOUTH CORRIDOR TO THE WEST SIDE OF 95. CURRENT, THOUGH, AND THAT'S OUR PROPERTY IN THE TOP PICTURE THERE WITH THE ROW CROP, CURRENTLY WE HAVE A FOUR-LANE DIVIDE HIGHWAY, WHICH IS STATE ROAD 207, WITH EXCESS CAPACITY. IT'S ACTUALLY WAY UNDERUTILIZED AT THIS POINT. SO WE HAVE GREAT INFRASTRUCTURE

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IT' AN AWESOME PLACE. IF YOU WANT TO GO WATCH SUNSETS, SUNRISES, AND IT'S GOT GREAT COMMUNITY THERE.

I SPENT HOURS AND HOURS DRIVING UP AND DOWN 207, DRIVING UP AND DOWN COUNTY ROAD THEIR 305, STANDING ON THE THE PROPERTY IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS, JUST REALLY TRYING TO ENVISION IS THIS THE RIGHT THING TO BUILD HERE. THIS IS IMPACTFUL.

AND THE MOST IMPACTFUL OR THE FOLKS THAT ARE MOST IMPACTED BY THIS ARE THE LANE FAMILY. THE LANE FAMILY HAVE LIVED HERE FOR MANY GENERATIONS. THEY ACTUALLY USED TO OWN A LOT OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 207 THERE. AND THERE ARE FIVE HOMES THAT ARE ON WHAT THEY CALL LANE LANE. THAT'S THEIR EASEMENT.

SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE BOTTOM PICTURE THERE, THAT BLUE LINE IS AN APPROXIMATE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF MY PROPERTY, AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE LANE FAMILY'S HOMES RIGHT THERE, SO I DID GO MEET WITH THE LANE FAMILY. THEY WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO LET ME COME INTO THEIR HOME ON TWO DIFFERENT CASES.

INCREDIBLY SWEET FAMILY. AND I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT WHAT I WAS PROPOSING TO DO PRIOR TO EVEN SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I COULD DISCUSS WITH THEM WHAT THE PLANS WERE, NO SURPRISE THEM FROM THEM LEARNING ABOUT IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO WHEN I FIRST TALKED TO LANE FAMILY, AGAIN I WOULD BE LYING IF I SAID THEY WERE TOTALLY ECSTATIC ABOUT THIS, BUT THEY ALSO SAID THAT THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS COMING, THIS IS A MAJOR INTERSECTION AND THIS PIECE OF LAND WILL BE DEVELOPED, SO THEY DID NOT KICK ME OUT OF THEIR HOUSE, WHICH IS NICE, AND WE HAD REALLY GREAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT TO DO. SO THE FIRST THING THAT I PROPOSED TO THEM IS SHOWN IN THAT SITE PLAN.

I WAS GOING TO DO A 6-FOOT HIGH DIRT BERM TO HIP WITH SOUND ATTENUATION AND INDIVIDUAL IMPACT, AND PLANT IT FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP WITH BOTH HEDGES AND TREES, AND THEN WE WERE GOING TO PUT THE ROADWAY NORTH OF THAT.

WHEN I PRESENTED THIS TO THEM, THEY WEREN'T TOTALLY OPPOSED TO IT, BUT THEY REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF HAVING PART OF THE STORM WATER SYSTEM ABUTTING THEIR HOME.

AND THIS MAY SOUND KIND OF SILLY WITH BUT FRANKLY WHEN I LEFT AFTER THAT FIRST MEETING AND I PULL OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY AND I LOOK A MY PIECE OF PROPERTY AND I ENVISION A 6-FOOT BERM THERE AND A ROAD, IT HURT MY HEART. DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WHAT I WAS DOING WAS APPROPRIATE AND THAT I WASN'T GIVING THEM THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF BUFFER THAT THEY NEEDED.

SO WE HAVE SINCE CHANGED THAT. AND BEFORE I SHOW YOU THE NEXT CONCEPT PLAN, YOU'LL SEE UP THERE IT SAYS 5.4 ACRES RETAINED BY SEARLE. SELLER.

I DO OWN THAT PROPERTY AS WELL. THAT PROPERTY HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE A GAS STATION ON IT TODAY, AND I DO PLAN ON DOING SOMETHING THERE EVENTUALLY. THAT PROPERTY BEING AT THE CORNER IS VERY VALUABLE, AND -- BUT TO ME DOING THE RIGHT THING DOESN'T TAKE MONEY INTO CONSIDERATION.

IT'S DOING THE RIGHT THING, PERIOD.

SO WHAT WE ARE NOW PROPOSING IS 300 FEET.

THE TYPICAL BUFFER THAT THE COUNTY WOULD REQUIRE AT THIS LOCATION IS A 30-FOOT BUFFER, SO THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE.

WE LEFT A -- THERE'S ACTUALLY A 60-FOOT WIDE EASEMENT THAT I LEARNED ABOUT AFTER CLOSING, WHICH WAS EXCITING, BUT IT'S ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF MY PROPERTY, AND THAT IS AN OLD FARM ROAD THAT IS -- THE EASEMENT IS OWNED BY THE NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST OF ME, WHICH IS THE GROUP THAT HAS PURCHASED 36,000 ACRES IN OUR COUNTY.

SO THAT EASEMENT NEEDS TO STAY. WE RELOCATED THE STORM WATER POND. I TOLD THE LANE FAMILY THAT I REALLY -- YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DUG A STORM WATER POND AND YOU DON'T REACH THE MAXIMUM DEPTH OR GET DOWN TO 12 OR SO FEET, WHICH MAKES A LOT OF VEGETATION GROW, AND IT'S UNSIGHTLY, SO I WANTED

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IT WILL BE PLANTED WITH BUSHES AND ON THE TOP PLANTED WITH TREES. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE LANE FAMILY WAS ELATED WHEN I SHOWED THEM THIS.

THEY WERE VERY EXCITED BY IT. IT MADE ME FEEL FANTASTIC.

I DID END UP LOSING 2 ACRES OF MY CORNER PARCEL BUT SO BE IT IF IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. SO HERE'S -- AND THIS CONCEPT PLAN HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.

WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TWO BUILDING WITH A MAXIMUM OF 1,250,000 SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, LIGHT WAREHOUSE, NOT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. YOU CAN SEE THE SITE PLAN HAS TWO BUILDING ON IT. THE BUILDING ON THE EAST IS REALLY THE CAT LIST FOR THIS APPLICATION.

IT WILL BE ABOUT 650,000 SQUARE FEET, ABOUT HALF OF IT WILL BE REFRIGERATED BECAUSE THE COMPANY, AND I'LL INTRODUCE THE COMPANY TO YOU HERE IN A SECOND, THE COMPANY IS A PROVIDER OF ORGANIC PRODUCE TO GROCERY STORES.

THEY'RE THE ONES THAT CAME AND ASKED US.

THEY FELT THIS LOCATION IS IDEAL BASED ON THEIR CURRENT LOCATION WHICH IS ALSO ON 207, AND THE OTHER GREAT PART ABOUT IT IS IT WOULD ALLOW THEM THE ABILITY TO EXPAND TO GO UP TO ANOTHER ABOUT 800,000 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL. ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT BUILDING THE BEIGE RECTANGLE, THAT'S ACTUALLY OFFICES.

THE COMPANY LANCE ON RELOCATING THEIR SOUTHEAST REGIONAL HEADQUARTERS FROM JACKSONVILLE TO THIS LOCATION.

IT'S A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT PROVIDER.

THE SECOND BUILDING THERE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT IT SAYS, INDUSTRIAL BUILDING 1, IS A SPEC WAREHOUSE.

IT'S CURRENTLY SLATED TO BE ABOUT 350,000 SQUARE FEET, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES UP THE TOTAL PLAN.

SO THE COMPANY THAT WANTS TO GO HERE IS CALLED KAYHE.

IT KISSES EXISTS THEY INDUSTRIAL BASHING ON DEERPARK BOULEVARD I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED WHICH IS JUST WEST OF IX ON STLOOT STATE ROAD 207. THEY'VE BEEN IN COUNTY FOR 23 YEARS AND ARE -- I'VE SEEN THEIR SIGNS BEFORE.

HONESTLY I HAD NO IDEA WHO THEY WERE, WHAT THEY DID.

THE MORE I'VE LEARNED ABOUT THEM, THEY ARE A VERY, VERY RESPECTABLE COMPANY. THEY'RE THE LARGER ORGANIC FOOD DISTRIBUTED NORT UNITED STATES WITH OVER 10,000 FRESH PRODUCTS, 60,062 ORS DIFFERENT, THE 62 BAR CODES AND THEY SERVE OVER 30,000 STORES THEY HAVE 16 DISTRIBUTION CENTERS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA. THEIR WAREHOUSES IN EFT STWOOR IN MIAMI, ATLANTA AND ELKTON. THEIR LARGEST CUSTOMERS FOR ELKTON ARE PUBLIX, SPROUTS AND SMALLER RETAILERS LIKE DIANN'S A NATIVE SON. THE COMPANY DID 7 BILLION IN ANNUAL REVENUE LAST YEAR. HUGE COMPANY.

THEY ARE AN EMPLOYEE OWNED, AESOP EMPLOYEE STOCK OWNERSHIP PROGRAM. EVERY PLEEFER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TENURE BECOMES AN OWNER OF THE COMPANY.

AND THEIR ALSO ASSERTED B CORPORATION, WHICH IS SOMETHING ELSE I WASN'T AWARE OF, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE SECOND LARGEST CERTIFIED B CORPORATION IN THE UNITED STATES.

A CERTIFIED B COPPER IS A -- CORP. IS A FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION THAT HAS BEEN CERTIFIED BY B LAB, WHICH IS A NON-PROFIT COMPANY, THAT MEASURES A COMPANY'S SOCIAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL PERFORMANCE. SO THIS -- WE HAVE A GOLDEN STAR, IF AN ACT THAT WE HAVE THIS CAMPAIGN IN OUR COUNTY, I FIRM LIF BELIEVE. SO AGAIN, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO MOVE THE REGIONAL HEADQUARTERS FROM JACKSONVILLE TO THIS LOCATION IN ADDITION TO BUILDING THE WAREHOUSE.

MOST OF THEIR EMPLOYEES COME WITHIN A 30 -- COME FROM WITHIN A 30-MILE RADIUS. IF THEY DON'T GO ON THIS LOCATION, THE COMPANY IS GOING TO MOVE TO THE WEST SIDE OF JACKSONVILLE WHERE THEY HAVE TARGETED ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAS ZONING AND UTILITIES IN PLACE.

SO ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST CONCERNS IS BECAUSE ALL OF THEIR EMPLOYEES LIVE WITHIN A 30-MILE RADIUS, WHUNS THEY MOVE TO WEST JACKSONVILLE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF ATTRITION AND A LOT OF EMPLOYEES THAT NO LONGER WANT TO MOVE UP AND TRAVEL THAT FAR TO WORK. THEY CURRENTLY EMPLOY 330 EMPLOYEES HERE LOCALLY WITH GREAT AVERAGE WAGES, $55,000 TO $75,000 PER YEAR, AND THEY START AT $20 PER HOUR.

THEY WILL INCREASE THEIR LOCAL EMPLOYMENT TO AROUND 450 BY

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THEY LIKE TAKING THESE KIDS OUT OF SCHOOL, AFTER THEY GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL. THEY OFFER THEM ALL SORTS OF TRAINING, INCLUDING CDL TRAINING AND CERTIFICATION.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH HASTING CHEMICAL TECHNICAL SCHOOL WILL ALSO HAVE A CDL FOCUS SO THIS REALLY WEAVES WELL WITH OUR LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT SYSTEM. AND THEY ALSO HAVE A HUGE NOON THROP IB APARTMENT THEY CALL IT KEHE CARES.

10% OF THEIR PROPHETS GOES TO THEIR FOUNDATION.

WHAT I HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW IS KEHE CARES SPOTTERS ORLINGSZ WHERE EMPLOYEE OWNERS ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED AND COMMITTED TO SERVING OTHERS AND VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME AND TALENTS TO THOSE IN NEED. SO ONE OF THEIR REQUIREMENT IF THEY GOIF MONEY OR SUPPORTS ANY KIND OF SUPPORT IS THAT THEIR EMPLOYEES HAVE TO BE ENGAGED WITH WHATEVER SORT OF PHILANTHROPIC EFFORT THAT IS. PRETTY NEAT.

SO THIS IS THE COUNTY'S TOP EMPLOYERS, AND FOR WHATEVER REASON KEHE WASN'T LIFNTD EVEN WITH 330 EMPLOYERS THEY ARE A TOP EMPLOYER. THE YELLOW LINE AT THE BOTTOM THOSE SHOWS YOU THEIR CURRENTLY EMPLOYMENT 330, SO THAT WOULD PUT THEM AT AN OVERALL RANKING OF 16, AND IF YOU LOOK AT JUST JUST FRIEFT EMPLOYERS, IF YOU ELIMINATE THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THAT WOULD PUT THEM AS THE TENTH LARGESSEST EMPLOYER IN THE COUNTY. LOOKING AT WHERE THEY PLAN ON BEING IN 2030, THAT WOULD MOVE THEM UP TO NUMBER 8 FOR PRIVATE EMPLOYERS, AND NUMBER 12 OVERALL FOR THE COUNTY.

SO AGAIN, A HUGE, HUGE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY HERE.

THE SUNSHINE BUS RIGHT TRAVELS, CURRENTLY TRAVELS ALONG 207 CONNECTING ST. AUGUSTINE TO HASTINGS.

WE TALKED TO THE SUNSHINE BUS COMPANY, AND THEY REALLY DESIRE ANOTHER STOP. THEY LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING SOMETHING A 207 AND 305. IT PROVIDE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY OBVIOUSLY TO EMPLOY PEOPLE THAT DO NOT HAVE CARS, AND RAILS TO TRAILS BEING THE BIKE PATH THAT IS ALSO RIGHT THERE ALONG 207 IS ANOTHER ALTERNATE MOWED OF TRANSPORTATION.

SO PRIVATE -- MODE OF TRANSPORTATION.

PRIVATE VEHICLES, SUNSHINE BUS, AND BICYCLES.

SO I AM NOT AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPER, AND I WILL NOT -- DO NOT PLAN ON WHEARG THAT HAT IN MY LIFETIME, SO STOWNTDZ INDUSTRIAL IS KEHE'S PREFERRED DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROJECT.

THEY'RE AN AWARD WHING INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPER.

THEY WOULD BE PURCHASING THE LAND FOR BOTH BUILDINGS AND DO A PSEUDO JOINT VENTURE WITH KEHE. ONE REALLY EXCITING THING ABOUT KEHE BUILDING IS THEY'RE GOING TO PURSUE LEED EXPERKS IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT LEED CERTIFICATION IT'S TERRIBLY DIFFICULT TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE RULES, IT'S TERRIBLY EXPENSIVE BUT IT'S THE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY WAY TO BUILD. JUST THE CERTIFICATION ALONE JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, JUST TO CERTIFY THE BUILDING IS $125,000. SO A SUMMARY FOR THE APPLICATION. 92 ACRES AT THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF 305 AND 207 WHICH IS ROUGHLY 3.8 MILES TO 95.

WE'RE PROPOSING A LAND USE CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE TO INDUSTRIAL. FOR UP TO 1.25 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSE USES WITH OFFICE SPACE AND OTHER ACCESSORY USES. AN APPROXIMATE 250-FOOT WIDE BUFFER. I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE ROADWAY IN THAT CALCULATION. APPROXIMATELY 250-FOOT WIDE BUFFER WILL BE PROVIDED ON THE STOWTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND AS A MENTIONED BEFORE LAND DEVELOP CODE REQUIRES A 35-FOOT WIDE BUFFER SO THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER.

THERE ARE NO PROTECTED WETLANDS, NO PROTECTED SPECIES, NO PROTECTED PLANT COMMUNITIES ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

THERE ARE NO HISTORICAL OR ARCHAEOLOGICAL RESOURCES ON THE PROPERTY. WE ARE PROPOSING TWO ACCESS POINTS ALONG 207 AND THEN ONE ON 305 HOPING THAT THE MAJORITY OF TRAFFIC WILL BE COMING OUT ON 207.

AND WE ARE PROPOSING A SINGLE TEN-YEAR DEVELOPMENT PHASE.

PROJECT BENEFITS. SO WE HAD AN ECONOMIC ANALYSIS DONE, WHICH I FORWARDED TO ALL OF YOU, AND IT'S ESTIMATED THAT 1400 NEW PERMANENT CAREER TYPE JOBS COULD BE CREATED WITH THIS

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PER THE ANALYSIS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY CURRENTLY HAS DEMAND, UNANSWERED DEMAND FOR PROBABLES 2.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NEW TWHAIRS. THERE'S THAT MUCH DEMAND THAT'S NOT BEING MET TODAY AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE KEHE.

AD VALOREM TAXES WOULD INCREASE TO ROUGHLY $1.5 MILLION PER YEAR OF WHICH $542,000 WOULD BE FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

CURRENTLY THE AD VALOREM TAXES ARE $1,280 A YEAR.

GENERAL FUND EX EXPENDITURES, WHAT IT COSTS THE COUNTY FOR KEHE TO BE HERE IS ESTIMATED TO BE $116,000, SO THAT IS A NET GAIN JUST IN GENERAL FUND OF $425,000 A YEAR.

THE PROJECT WILL ADD ALMOST $360 MILLION TO GROSS COUNTY PRODUCT, WHICH IS LIKE GDP BUT ON THE COUNTY LEVEL, FOR THE FIFE-YEAR PERIOD OF 2023 TO '27. PERSONAL DISPOSABLE INCOME DURING THAT SAME TIME WILL INCREASE BUY $328 MILLION.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, 207, A MAJOR HIGHWAY FOUR-LANE DIVIDED.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY IN PLACE.

AND IT HAS TREMENDOUS CAPACITY. YOU CAN SEE THERE FROM COUNTY ROAD, THE BOTTOM ROW, FROM COUNTY ROAD THRRTD 5 TO VERMONT BOULEVARD, WHICH IS WHERE VERMONT HEIGHTS IS, WITH KEHE BUILDS OR THE TWO BUILDINGS IN PLACE, IT WOULD STILL BE JUST UNDER 44% OF CAPACITY. WATERED AND SEWER WILL BE EXTENDED FROM VERMONT HEIGHT TO COUNTY ROAD 305.

IT WILL COST ABOUT $6 MILLION TO PROVIDE BOTH WATER AND SEWER WHICH HELPS BRING ADDITIONAL REVENUES TO A NEW WATER TREATMENT PLANT WHICH WE GOT SOME DETAILS ON TODAY.

ALLOWS FOR ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION WITH THE SUNSHINE BUS AND THE BIKE, THE RIVER TO SEA TRAIL.

AND AT LEAST ONE OF THE BUILDING, THEY HAVEN'T COMPLITD TO THE SECOND BUILDING, BUT AT LEASE ONE OF THE BUILDINGS WILL SEEK LEED CERTIFICATIONS PROMOTING GREATER ENVIRONMENTALLY SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT AND ENERGY CONSERVATION. OTHER BENEFITS IT.

ALLOWS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW FOOD VERTICALLY INDOORS.

THIS IS A NEW TREND THAT IS HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRT AVAILABLE, AND ALSO PLAYHOUSE FOR PACKAGING AND DISTRIBUTION OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOCAL FARMERS. I PUT THAT POINT IN THERE ABOUT THE PACKAGING AND DISTRIBUTION. THE BARNES FAMILY WHO CURRENTLY FARMED THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND FARMED A COUPLE THOUSAND ACRES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN IN ELKTON I WA DAWNING TO JIM BARNES AND GIVING HIM A LUNNE U. RUNDOWN OF WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, AND HE SAID, CHRIS, YOU KNOW, WE COULD REALLY AS FARMERS USE WAREHOUSE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE IF WE COULD PRACTICEAGE OUR OWN GOODS WE COULD OBVIOUSLY MAKE MORE REVENUE THAN JUST SELL THE RAW PRODUCT LIKE WE ARE NOW.

WHEN I WAS TALKING TO HIM ABOUT IT, HE SAID THEY WERE L. WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING GETTING TOGETHER WITH SIX OR SEVEN OTHER FARMERS AND POTENTIALLY LEASING ABOUT 1 PUN HOW TO SQUARE FEET TO DO THEIR OWN PACKAGING.

P. 100,000 SQUARE FEET.

POINT BEING THERE'S A NEED. IT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY IN AN AREA OF THE COUNTY THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDERUTILIZED ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FUTURE 2209 HIGHWAY.

THE FACT THAWTS A FARMLAND RIGHT NOW, FARMLAND IS VERY BEAUTIFUL.

TO THINK THAT A PIECE OF FARM HNLD WITH A QUARTERED MILE OF FRONTAGE ON A MAJOR HIGHWAY IS GOING TO REMAIN FARMLAND IN PERPETUITY, THOUGH, IS STOAFORT BURYING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND, AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE, AND WE KNOW THAT THAT ROADWAY IS COMING TO THIS AREA, IT MAKES SENSE TO START PLANNING FOR THIS. IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMERCIAL NODE OF ELKTON. DIVERSIFIES THE INCREASE TAX BAIPS. CURRENTLY THERE'S ONLY 4.8 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SPACE IN STRJ.

I KNOW SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY IS GOING TO SPEAK TODAY ON THE ECONOMIC SIDE BUT THEY WILLAL ACTUALLY TELL YOU THEY GET NUMEROUS CALLS EVERY SINGLE MONTH WITH COMPANIES THAT ARE WANTING TO MOVE HERE, BRING EMPLOYMENT WHICH WE SO DESPERATELY NEED BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE SPACE FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY NEED IT MORE IMMEDIATE. COMPLIMENTS FIRST COAST TECHNICAL COLLEGE EXPANSION INTO HASTINGS.

AND SOME STAFF REPORT COMMENTS. THE COUNTY SHALL ALLOW AGRIBUSINESS OPERATIONS WITHIN RURAL/SILVICULTURE AND AGRICULTURE-INTENSIVE. AGRIBUSINESS IS DEFINEDS A OPERATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH ACTIVE FARM ACTIVITIES, EQUESTRIAN ACTIVITIES, PASTURELANDS, TWISTER TIMBER PRODUCTION PRODUCTION, CROP AND SOD PRODUCTION OPERATIONS.

IT MAY INCLUDE VEGETABLE AND FOOD PROCESSING PLANTS, STORAGE, COLD STORAGE, WAREHOUSE, AND TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES AND BUILDING THAT HOUSE AND TRANSPORT NATURALLY GROWN CROPS AND PROCESSED PRODUCTS FROM NATURALLY GROWN CROPS.

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AND IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE AGRIBUSINESS OPERATIONS THAT ARE BEING POINTED OUT THERE, AS IT SAYS, THEY'RE ALLOWED WITHIN RURAL/SILVICULTURE AND AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS NOW.

AND THEN ONE MORE FROM THE STAFF REPORT.

THE CURRENT LARGER SURROUNDING AREA CONSISTS FARMLAND IN THE MORE IMMEDIATE CARRY AREA CASE OF THE MIXTURE ARE RURAL COMMERCIAL USES THAT PRIMARY ELECTION MILER SERVE THE FARMING COMMUNITY. THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT MY OCCUR IN THE AREA OVER THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS WITH THE EXTENSION OF COUNTY ROAD 2209 USING THE COUNTY ROAD 305 CORRIDOR. STAFF REVIEWED THE BENEFITS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SUPPLYING JOBS AND TAX REVENUES TO THE COUNTY WITH THE POTENTIAL OF DEVELOPMENT SPRAWL.

STAFF FOUND THERE ARE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL LIGHT BUSINESSES AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES WITHIN THE THIS ELKTON HUB AT COUNTY ROAD 305 AND STATE ROAD 207 AND MANY OF THE AGRICULTURAL EMPLOYERS USE DISTRIBUTION AND WAREHOUSING FACILITIES.

WHILE THE INDUSTRIAL USES MAY NOT BE THE CURRENTLY DEVELOPMENT NEARNT AREA, SUCH USES DO NOT APPEAR INCONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING FARM ACTIVITIES AND OPERATIONS AND AGRIBUSINESS OPERATIONS THAT ARE ALLOWED IN AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE LAND USE.

CONCLUSIONS: THE FUTURE OF FARMS. FARMS ARE AN IMPERATIVE PART OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

NOT ONLY FOR THEIR BEAUTY BUT ALSO FOR THE ECONOMIC STRIEWL AND THE PROTECTION SIDE. WE SAW JUST WITH BABY FORMULA SPRG TO RELY ON OTHER COUNTRIES TO PROVIDE FOOD FOR OUR BABIES IS NOT HAVING THAT'S COMFORTABLE, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE FARMS IN OUR COUNTRY WE AREN'T ABLE TO PRODUCE OUR OWN FOOD, SO FARMS AIR CRITICAL PART AND SHOULD REMAIN A CRITICAL PART OF THIS COUNTY. THE FARMS, THOUGH, IN MY OPINION, THAT FIT THAT DESCRIPTION OF REALLY NEEDING TO BE PROTECTED ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MORE INTERNAL.

AGAIN, NOT THE ONES THAT HAVE LIKE MY PIECE OF PROPERTY, A QUARTER ACRE OF FRONTAGE ON A FOUR-LANE HIGHWAY.

THERE'S A HUGE SHORTAGE OF INDUSTRIAL SPACE WHICH, AGAIN, I BELIEVE THAT'LL BE TALKED ABOUT WHEN COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE GETS UP AND SPEAKS. IT'S IDEALLY LOCATED BEING LESS THAN 4 MILES FROM INTAITD 95 ON A STRAIGHT SHOT WITH A ROAD WITH EXISTING CAPACITY. MAJOR EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES U. OPPORTUNITY, OBVIOUSLY, FOR THE COUNTY.

IF NOTE APPROVED AND THE COMPANY DOES MOVE TO JACKSONVILLE, IT IS A HUGE EMPLOYMENT LOSS TO THIS COUNTY.

WE ARE OBVIOUSLY KNOWN AS A BEDROOM COMMUNITY TO JACKSONVILLE IN A LOT OF WAYS. OUR TRAFFIC IN THE MORNINGS HEAD NORTH AND THE TRAFFIC IN THE AFTERNOONS HEADS SOUTH.

WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HAVE MORE EMPLOYMENT IN THIS COUNTY, AND THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.

AND TREMENDOUS ECONOMIC BENEFITS TO THE COUNTY WHICH I DETAILED JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO. ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION BEFORE I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, THERE IS EXTREME URGENCY IN THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE KEHE IS' EXPIRED IN 2024. THEY HAVE TO MOVE INTO THIS BUILDING IN THE SUMMER OF 2024. FOR THEM TO DO THAT, GROUNDBREAKING NEEDS TO OCCUR IN FEBRUARY, AND -- OF NEXT YEAR, AND WE HAVE OUR AGENDA SET OUT TO BE ON THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING IN NOVEMBER, LATER PART OF NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.

SO KEHE, AND THAT'S UPPERFUL. KEHE IS WAITING UNTIL THANKSGIVING TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON WHERE TO GO.

THIS IS THEIR A1 PRIORITY SITE AGAIN BECAUSE THEIR ALREADY LOCATED HERE, BUT IF WE DO NOT HAVE THE APPROVED BY THAKSGIVING, THEY'RE MOVING. THEY HAVE TO.

THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE. SO THERE IS EXTREME URGENCY IN THIS, AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LISTENING TO ME TODAY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YEAH, I DO HAVE SOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION. IT WAS REALLY GREAT, CHRIS.

EXCELLENT. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I'LL HAVE TO SAY.

AND THERE WAS A LOT OF MATERIAL IN THERE THAT WAS NOT IN THE PACKET WE RECEIVED, SO THAT WAS SURPRISING BECAUSE I WONDER WHO

YOUR CLIENTS MIGHT BE. >> SPEAKER: IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT'S NOT -- THAT YOU GUYS KNOW IT'S NOT A SPEC BUILDINGS.

THIS IS FOR AN ACTUAL COMPANY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT WASN'T FULLY DPLEERT MATERIALS THAT I REVIEWED BUT IT'S NICE TO CLARIFY THAT AND HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE.

BUT I DO ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR SENDING US YESTERDAY AFTERNOON THE MARKET AFTERNOON THE MARKET COMMAND, ECONOMIC AND ECONOMIC FISCAL ANALYSIS BUT YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT UNTIL 10:00 A.M. THIS MORNING OR SO AND I EMAILED YOU BACK BUT I DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO READ ANY OF THAT ABOUT

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ANYWAY, YOU PAINT A REALLY NICE AND ROSY PICTURE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE, BUT IT'S STATED IN THE APPLICATION A COUPLE TIMES THAT THIS IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I JUST WONDERED WHAT YOU'LL MEANT BY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT.

>> SPEAKER: THAT WOULD BE IN REFERENCE TO THE COMMERCIAL NODE AT 305 AND 207 BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT TO THAT COMMERCIAL NODE AND OBVIOUSLY COMMERCIAL ALLOWS FOR MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WOULD SAY.

IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT A MILE OR A MILE AND A HALF OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I KNOW THAT COMMERCIAL NODE IS THERE, AND Y'ALL MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT IN YOUR APPLICATION. I MEAN, THAT'S REFERENCED 50 TIMES AT LEAST IN THERE IN YOUR ANSWERS IN THE APPLICATION.

IT WAS VERY WELL DONE APPLICATION, BY THE WAY, LOTS OF COMMENTARY IN THERE. NOT ALL OF IT I AGREED WITH YOU ARE OUTSIDE THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT CODE OF THE BOUNDER.

I DON'T CONSIDER BECAUSE THERE'S A RURAL COMMERCIAL NODE THERE AT HASTINGS, AT ELKTON, EXCUSE ME WANT 305 AND ST. AM BOWS CHURCH ROAD, THAT THAT'S -- AMBROSE CHURCH ROAD, THAT THAT'S REALLY A MAJOR COMMERCIAL NODE. FIGURE THERE'S ONLY 12,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL USES THERE RIGHT NOW.

SO I DON'T SEE THAT YOU'RE INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY.

AND IT STATED IN THE APPLICATION THAT Y'ALL ARE SURROUNDED BY THIS COMMERCIAL NODE WHEN IN ACTUALITY IT'S THIS SMALL AREA ON YOUR SPRING SEMESTER WEST-SOUTHWEST CORNER.

BT IF FACT RAMES IN MY OPINION IN THE MATERIALS I'VE LKD AT SHOWING THE DEVELOPMENT AREA OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THAT BY A MILE, NILE AND A HALF.

FOR ME THAT'S QUITE PROBLEMATIC. I MAY CITE AND I MAY LATER, ALL THE DIFFERENT POLICIES, THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED BY YOUR ATTORNEY AND PLANNERS SUCH AS POLICY 8.1.2.5 FOR COMP PLAN, PLAN AMENDMENTS AND POLICY 8 WANTING WITH .2.7 AND I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE LATER. BUT I JUST -- I WANGTD TO KNOW AND MAYBE THE TRANSPORTATION STAFF THAT ARE IN THE BACK MAY HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS. BECAUSE YOU HAD STATED, AND YOU STATED THIS ABOUT TEN-MINUTE AGO, YOU SAID WITH THE NEW ROAD COMING, ALL THE GROWTH, ET CETERA, THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO START PLANNING FOR THIS. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO START PLANNING FOR THIS.

BUT TO APPROVE THIS RIGHT NOW OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY, A MAJOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR 1.25 MILLION SQUARE FEET WHICH PLRS MAYBE ONLY 12,000 SQUARE FEET ACROSS THE HIGHWAY FROM THIS, AND I HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT COMMERCIAL NODE THAT I'D LIKE TO SHOW.

I WENT OUT THERE YESTERDAY. I'VE DRIVEN BY IT PROBABLY 75 TIMES ON MY WAY TO GAINESVILLE OR PALATKA OR WHATEVER.

SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT, BEEN TO THE AMBROSE CHURCH FESTIVAL, ALL THAT. BUT I JUST -- I WENT OUT THERE, AND YOU COULD JUST PUT THAT UP. IT'S THAT PHOTO.

THIS IS WHAT IT IS. THIS IS LIKE A SLEEPY HAMLET ON A RURAL STRETCH OF HIGHWAY. THIS IS NOT SOME BIG COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT NODE THAT Y'ALL ARE MAKING IT OUT TO BE IN THE APPLICATION. SO MY QUESTION FOR THE COUNTY STAFF, AND YOU MAY KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE VERY CONNECTED WITH THE COUNTY AND I THINK YOU DO HAVE SOME REALLY GREAT ABOUT THE WITH COUNTY AND I'VE BEEN TO PARTIES AT THE TRENDGALI BARN AND ALL OF THAT, BUT WHEN IS COUNTY ROAD 20209 PROJECTED TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 207 AND SOUTH OF THERE TO 206? WHEN IS THAT PROJECTED TO HAPPEN? AND I SEE WE'VE GOT A COUNTY PERSON THAT COULD ADDRESS THAT,

BUT -- >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, JAN TRANTSDZ HAM WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

I DON'T THINK I CAN GIVE YOU A DATE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO PREDICT.

AS YOU KNOW WITH 2209 IS BEING CONSTRUCTED FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH, AND THIS WOULD BE THE VERY CLOSE TO THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THAT ROADWAY. IF I HAD TO GUESS, IT WOULD BE

IN EXCESS OF TEN YEARS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: EXCESS OF

TEN YEARS? >> SPEAKER: YES.

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED.

IN FACT 1 THE STAFF MATERIALS, THERE WAS AN ESTIMATE IN THERE THAT THE -- AND YOU SHOWED THIS, MR. SHAE, IN YOUR -- ONE OF YOUR GRAPHICS UP THERE, ONE OF YOUR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, THAT THE COUNTY SAID SHE IS THESE CHANGES ARE COMING TO THAT AREA IN 20 TO 30 YEARS. SO I WAS TAKING THAT TO MEAN POSSIBLY EVEN COUNTY ROAD 2209 IN 20 TO 30 YEARS DOWN TERE.

SO TO ME THIS IS NOT SOME PRESS -- I KNOW YOU'VE GOT PRESSING NEEDS WITH THE COMPANY, AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, AND WE DON'T WANT THEM MOVING UP TO JACKSONVILLE AND TAKING JOBS OUT OF HERE. IND THAT NEED ABSOLUTELY.

BUT I THINK THIS IS WAY TOO PREMATURE, GIVEN WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW. TO ME, LIKE I SAID, IT IS NOT A BIG COMMERCIAL NODE OUT THERE. AS A SAID, COUNTING THE POST OFFICE, YOU MIGHT HAVE 12,000 SQUARE FEET OUT THERE OF USES ALONG THE HIGHWAY ON JUST ONE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY AT THE MOMENT. BUT I JUST DON'T SEE THE COMMERCIAL NODE, THIS 2209, COMING THROUGH THERE, MAKING THIS A MAJOR HUB FOR COMMERCE, AND I'M ALL FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT I AM NOT FOR TAKING FARMLAND AND PAVING IT OVER, AND I DID READ WITH INTEREST ALL THESE COMMENTS.

I READ THE WHOLE APPLICATION TWICE.

AND IT'S REALLY WELL DONE. BUT I DON'T SEE THE -- A LOT OF THOSE STATEMENTS BEARING OUT, GIVEN THE LONG RANGE PROJECTIONS. AND ARE YOU AWARE -- I'M SURE YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU'RE TAPPED INTO 2 COMMUNITY.

THE COUNTY'S PLANNING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO?

>> AM I FAMILIAR WITH IT? >> DR. HILSENBECK: ARE YOU

AWARE THAT THAT'S COMING? >> SPEAKER: NO, SIR.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. I'VE HEARD THERE'S A PLANNER, I GUESS A PERSON THE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PART OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT, I GUESS NI IT'S IN UTH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

HER LAST NAME IS ZUBERER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PART OF THE COUNTY SHE'S WITH. BUT SHE HAS VEALED THERE'S GOING TO BE A ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN.

I JUST WONDER IF IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO THE WAY IT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT RATHER THAN RUSH A MASSIVE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY AND LET'S LOOK AT THE WHOLE COUNTY HOLISTICALLY.

LET'S HAVE A VISION PROCESS. AND LET'S LET THE CIVIC ROUNDTABLE HAS BEEN CALLING FOR THE COUNTY AND HOLDING UP ON THIS. I JUST THINK IT'S WAY PREMATURE.

I THINK BEING OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY, IT'S AT THE WRONG LOCATION. I THINK THE TIMING IS PREMATURE, SO WRONG LOCATION, WRONG TIME, ALL OF THAT, IN MY OPINION, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES HERE FOR THIS EMPLOYER THAT YOU HAVE LINED UP, WHEN I READ THROUGH THE INITIAL APPLICATION MATERIALS, MOST OF THAT WAS ADDRESSED TOWARD INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND COMMERCIAL AND MANUFACTURING AND ALL THAT, AND THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT IN THERE ON AGRICULTURE. SO NOW IT'S ALL SHIFTED NOW, WELL, WE'VE GOT A GREAT AG OPPORTUNITY HERE.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SHIFTED, AND MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE OF THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY WITH THE BUSINESS THAT YOU ARE -- YOU'VE WORKED WITH AND HAVE LINED UP TO OCCUPY THE LARGEST OF THE WAREHOUSES. I'VE GOT SOME OTHER QUESTIONS.

SOME ARE FOR STAFF. YOU KNOW, TEN PLUS YEARS FORIN' COUNTY ROAD 2209, THAT'S INTERESTING.

MAKES IT NOT SO URGENT TO ME. I MAY HAVE TO READ FROM SOME OF THE COMP PLAN THINGS, ALTHOUGH Y'ALL ADDRESSED THOSE, BUT I THINK I CAN ADDRESS THEM IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.

LET ME COME UP WITH SOME OF THESE.

I MAY COME BACK TO YOU. I MAY LET SOMEBODY ELSE SPEAK AND Y'ALL TO REBUT SOME, AND I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK AS WELL. YOU KNOW, WHAT I SEE ALSO, AND THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION SO MAYBE I SHOULD SAVE IT, BUT WE'RE HAVING A SHRINKING AGRICULTURAL FOOTPRINT IN THIS COUNTY RATHER THAN EXPANDING, SO HAVING A BIG NEED FOR EXPANDED WAREHOUSING OR STORAGE, I DON'T SEE IT, EXCEPT NOW FOR THIS

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IT WAS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY PARKWAY EXTENSION MAP THAT WAS GOING TO BE IN THERE ALONG WITH THOSE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLANS, BUT YOU DID SHOW A MAP. THAT'S THE FIRST THAT I HAVE SEEN OF THAT MAP THAT SHOWS 2209 COMING SOUTH, AND THAT WAS A GREAT GRAPHIC YOU SHOWED OF EMPLOYMENT AS WELL, MAJOR EMPLOYERS. AND I'M GLAD THE LANE FAMILY OVER THERE IS HAPPY ABOUT THIS. YEAH, THERE IT IS.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN OUR PACKET, BUT COMING DOWN FROM 208, AND IT'S NOT THERE YET, BUT THAT'S A LONG WAY TO COME WITH PROJECTED FROM OUR TRANSPORTATION FOLKS AT LEAST TEN YEARS. SO I AM GOING TO STOP AT THIS TIME, BUT I MAY HAVE SOME OTHER COMMENTS AND SO FORTH.

AND I'D LIKE Y'ALL TO ADDRESS AT SOME POINT HOW THIS IS NOT SPRAWL BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT TO AGRICULTURE.

THERE WAS A STATEMENT IN YOUR APPLICATION THAT THIS IS NOT CONSIDERED SPRAWL BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT TO AGRICULTURE.

WHY THE IT'S OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY.

SO YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT IN THE REBUTTAL, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. SO I APPRECIATE IT, AND THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND I KNOW YOU'RE PHILANTHROPIC, SO I APPRECIATE

THAT AS WELL. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. INNER OTHERES REQUEST FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

HEARING NONE, HOW MANY SPEAKER CARDS DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE TEN SPEAKER CARDS. TIME IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. SO LET'S MOVE ON INTO THE

SPEAKER CARDS. >> MS. PERKINS: JOE MCANARNEY.

>> SPEAKER: JOE MCANARNEY 1005 BLACKBERRY LAN ST. JOHN.

SO AN INCREDIBLE PRESENTATION, REALLY.

I'M ACTUALLY SHOCKED THAT THERE ARE NOT 300 PEOPLE OUT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE GIVING MR. SHAE A STANDING OVATION.

I MEAN, THIS IS HUGE. THIS IS HUGE.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND AN EMPTY AUDITORIUM.

NOR DO I UNDER HOW ALL OF YOU WHO ARE RECEIVING INFORMATION YESTERDAY ARE EXPECTED TO MAKE SUCH A HUGE AND MAJOR DECISION.

BUT MY PRESENTATION FOLLOW WHAT DR. HILSENBECK DID HAVE TO SAY WHEN I RECEIVED THE NEIGHBORHOOD BILL OF RIGHTS NOTICE ABOUT ELKTON INDUSTRIAL, I DID SEND AN EMAIL TO MR. ROBERSON, AND I ASKED IF THE COUNTY HAD EVER DONE ANY STUDIES OF THE 207 CORRIDOR WITH RESPECT TO JOB CREATION, COMMUNITY BUILDING, AND SO FORTH. HE DIRECTED MY EMAIL ACTUALLY TO TARA MEEKS WHO DID RESPOND TO ME AND DID SAY, AGAIN REPEATING WHAT DR. HILSENBECK MENTIONED, THAT THE COUNTY DOES INTEND TO BEGIN A COUNTYWIDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STUDY LATE THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR. I PUT 2023.

AND SO SUCH A MAJOR UNDERTAKING BRINGS ALL STAKEHOLDER TO THE TABLE: CONSERVATION, HOAS, TRANSPORTATION, INDUSTIAL, REAL ESTATE, ALL STAKEHOLDERS TO THE TABLE.

IT'S THAT BIG. IT'S THAT IMPORTANT.

I'M SORRY THAT THIS OWNER NEEDS A DECISION TODAY AND NEEDS A DECISION FROM COMMISSIONERS IN THREE WEEKS, FACED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY THAT SEEMINGLY WE DID HAVE IN FRONT OF US TO DEVICE NEW OPPORTUNITIES COUNTYWIDE, NEW LOCATIONS, AND AMONGST ALL STAKEHOLDER TO DETERMINE WHAT CHANGES WE MIGHT NEED, CHANGES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY AND OTHER CHANGES YET TO BE KNOWN, YET TO BE DISCUSSED, YET TO BE DETERMINED.

I MEAN, THIS, TOO, IS A MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR ITEM FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE FUTURE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I'M SORRY THAT THIS POLITICAL NEEDS A DECISION TODAY AND NEEDS A POSITIVE DECISION FROM THE COMMISSIONERS IN TWO WEEKS.

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I'M IMPRESSED. BUT I'M DISCOURAGED WHEN LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STUDY THAT IS SUDDENLY UNDERCUT AND MADE LESS IMPORTANT BY URGENT, URGENT PROJECTS LIKE THIS. FEELS LOOK MY ARM IS BEING TWISTED BEHIND MY BACK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MS. PERKINS: PAUL JONES >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VIST GUYS VERY MUCH. VERY IMPRESSIVE PRESENTATION.

I WAS MEAD BY THAT. I COME AS PRESIDENT OF THE ANCIENT CITY ASTRONOMY CLUB. WE ARE NOT AT ALL OPPOSING THE DEVELOPMENT AT ALL BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE CONSIDERATION ON THE IMPACT THAT IT WILL POSSIBLY HAVE ON OUR COOPERATION WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION.

WE'VE BEEN PARTNERING WITH THEM ISN'T 2018 TO PROVIDE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, OBSERVING SESSIONS, PUBLIC OUTREACH IN ASTRONOMY AT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS, AND IF NEIGHBORING OVERFLOW PARKING LOT.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH KELLY USUA WHO IS YOUR PARKS NATURALIST, AND I GIVE HER A HUGE SHUT-OUT.

SHE'S AMAZING TO WORK WITH. WE HAVE GIVEN SEVERAL SL WELL ATTEND PUBLIC VIEWINGS AT THE TO FAIRGROUNDS AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND ALL DEVELOPMENTS IN THE 207 CORRIDOR AREA WILL HAVE ON OUR ABILITY TO KEEP ASTRONOMY IN THE FOREFRONT AND TO SATISFY FOLKS' CURIOSITY AND INTEREST IN IT. WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND IN ALL DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE COULD PARTNER WITH THE DEVELOPERS TO POSSIBLY FIND MORE EFFICIENT WAYS TO LIGHT THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING SO THAT IT WOULD BE NOT AS INVASIVE TO WHAT WE DO AND ALSO BE MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE AND TO PUT THE LIGHT THROUGH SHIELDING AND OTHER WAYS DOWN INTO THE PARKING LOTS WHERE IT'S NECESSARY AND NOT ESCAPING UP INTO THE ATMOSPHERE AND RUINING OUR NIGHT SKIES.

THEY ESTIMATE THAT AT LEAST 80 PERCENT OF ALL AMERICANS HAVE NEVER STEEN THE MILKY WAY. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'LL NEVER SEE IT THROUGH ALL OF THE LIGHTS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED THROUGH ALL OF THESE HUGE DEVELOPMENTS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE NIGHT SKY IN ITS TRUE FORM INTACT. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER OUR SERVICES THROUGH PARTNERSHIP WITH THE INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY ASSOCIATION TO HELP ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN ALL FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP MORE EFFICIENT WAYS TO LIGHT, MORE COST EFFECTIVE, AND LESS LESS INVASIVE ON THE SPHRIERM. AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO -- ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN, AND WE WOULD WORK WITH YOU. WE CAN GIVE A PRESENTATION AT A FUTURE MEETING IF YOU'D LIKE. WE WILL WORK, THE INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY ASSOCIATION IS OUT OF PHOENIX, ARIZONA, BY THE WAY, AND THEY WORK WITH EVERYBODY TO INCREASE THE AWARENESS OF LIGHT POLLUTION AS AN ISSUE. THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: MR. JONES, CAN YOU PLEASE SNAIVMENTDZ FOR THE

PRORDZ. >> SPEAKER: PAUL W. JONES.

I'M SORRY. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE ANCIENT

CITY ASTRONOMY CLUB. >> MS. PERKINS: AND YOUR ADDRESS. ADDRESS, PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER: IT'S ON THE FORM. 3609 CRAZY HORSE TRAIL, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. BORN AND RAISED ST. AUGUSTINIAN AND ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE ANCIENT CITY ASTRONOMY

CLUB IN 1974. >> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU, MR. .

IS CAROL NIXON HERE? SHE LEFT?

GEORGE OLSON. >> CAN I CREED MY TIME TO MR. ATKINS FIRST? MARK ATKINS?

>> MR. MATOVINA: THAT'S FINE. >> MS. PERKINS: MR. ATKINS.

>> SPEAKER: >> MR. MATOVINA: JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU CAN'T CAN'T GIVE YOUR TIME TO HIM BUT YOU CAN GO AFTER HIM. HE GETS THREE MINUTES.

>> SPEAKER: I HAVE A POWERPOINT.

>> AND 373 BLUE SEAS COURT, POINT VEDRA BREACH.

I'M ALSO PAST PRFTD NORTH FLORIDA BICYCLE CLUB.

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THE APPLICANT PRESENTS NO ESTIMATED IMPACT OF THE PROJECT ON THE TRAIL, ON THE TRAIL OR SAFETY ITS USERS.

THE ONLY MENTION OF A TRAIL IN THEIR EXPENSIVE APPLICATION IS AS A WAY OF COMMUTING TO THEIR WORK SITE.

THE TRAIL IS UTILIZED BY AN AVERAGE OF 240 USERS A DAY.

FROM MY EXPERIENCE, MOST OF THOSE USERS USE THE IN THE MORNING. AND ONE CAN EXPECT THAT THE TRAIL WILL BE USED MORE READILY WHEN IT'S CONNECTED TO ST. AUGUSTINE. THIS IS A MAP.

THIS IS THE SCHEMATIC HERE. AND DIFFERENT FROM THE SCHEMATIC, WE HEARD THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE TWO ENTRANCES ON 207. THAT'S NOT WHAT IS PRESENTED IN THE SITE PLAN. I POINT OUT THAT THEIR SITE IS IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO WHERE THE TRAIL CROSSES FROM WEST TO EAST, A VERY HAZARDOUS CROSSING NOW TO 207.

THIS IS THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. THEIR PEAK MORNING TRAFFIC, I 74 VEHICLES AN HOUR. SPEAK MORNING IS ALSO PEAK TIME FOR USE OF THE TRAIL PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF IN APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT, COORDINATING TO THE COMP RULES, MUST ADDRESS TRAIL IMPACT, INCLUDING SAFETY TRAIL USERS, SO HERE ARE A COUPLE OF ALTERNATIVES THEY MIGHT CONSIDER. ONE IS ROUTE ALL THE TRAFFIC THROUGH 305, BUT WHAT WE HEARD IN THE PRESENTATION BEFORE IS NOT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN THAT IS DEPICTED IN THIS UPDATED TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WHICH HAS ONE EXIT/ENTRANCE ON 207 AND ONE ON 305. ONE POSSIBILITY IS TO EXTEND THE TRAIL ON THE WEST SIDE OF STATE ROAD 207 TO BELOW WHERE THE ENTRANCES AND THE EXITS TO THE PROPERTY WON AND THEN CREATE A PROPERLY SINGLIZED CROSSING SUCH AS A CROSSING WHICH IS WHAT IS AVAILABLE AT THE 207 CROSSING IN I GUESS THAT'S ACTUALLY ARMSTRONG OR SPUDS, A MUCH SAFER CROSSING THAN THE CURRENT CROSSING AT 207 THAT LIES JUST NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY.

ANOTHER POSSIBILITY IS TO CONSIDER A PEDESTRIAN BICYCLIST BRIDGE ACROSS 207. THOUGH THIS MIGHT SOUND EXPENSIVE, WE HAVE -- WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVEN JUST FOR THE EXTENSION OF WATER AND SEWER.

AND SO FURTHER REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING SHOULD DELAY THIS UNTIL THE APPLICANT ADDRESSES THE ISSUES OF IMPACT UPON RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, NAMELY, THE TRAIL.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: GEORGE BOLT GEORGE OLSON.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS GEORGE OLSON.

LIVE AT 1377 PRINCE ROAD IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

AND BASICALLY I'M HERE TO ECHO WHAT MR. AT KINGS HAS SAID.

THERE HAS BEEN NO CONSIDERATION WHATSOEVER CONCERNING THE IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT UPON THE RAIL TRAIL.

THE RAIL TRAIL IS KNOWN AS THE ST. AUGUSTINE TO PALATKA RAIL TRAIL. IT HAS BEEN AROUND, IF FIRST PARTS ABOUT TEN YEARS NOW, AND AS MR. ATKINS MENTIONED, IT'S USED PIE AN AVERAGE OF OVER 400 PEOPLE ON A A DAILY BASIS.

THAT'S NOT THE PEOPLE BUT THE ACTUAL TRIPS THAT THEY TAKE.

THE THE TRAIL PARALLELS THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF DEVELOPMENT ALONG STROOT 207, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TWO ENTRANCE AND EXITS OFF OF 207 WHICH WILL CROSS OVER THE TRAIL. THEY DON'T SHOW THE TRAIL ON THE, VOANLT DIAGRAM, BUT IT WILL CROSS OVER THE AUSTRALIA, AND IN MY OPINION CREATE A TREMENDOUS SAFETY HAZARD FOR CYCLISTS COMING UP AND DOWN THE BICYCLE PATH.

THE PATH IS ALSO A PART OF THE EAST COAST GREENWAY, AND AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE IS A PART OF THE OCEAN-TO-SEA LOOP THAT THEY'RE BUILDING FROM ST. AUGUSTINE TO TITUSVILLE, AND IT IS ON THE MAP OF THE VENTURE CYCLING ASSOCIATION AS A PART OF A TRAIL THAT RUNS FROM CALIFORNIA ALL THE WAY TO

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I HAVE MY PERSONAL OPINIONS, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU. LISA MCGLENN.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LISA MCGLYNN.

LIVE AT 703 PINEHURST PLACE. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT PROJECT, BUT I THINK IT'S IN THE WRONG PLACE.

IF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT AND DRIVEN STATE ROAD 305 AND GONE IN THAT WHOLE AREA, YOU'LL SEE HOW SPECIAL IT IS, AND I JUST DO NOT THINK HAVING HEAVY TRUCKS AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSES THERE MAKES ANY SENSE. I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE ALONG 95 WHERE THEY ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED, AND THERE'S LAND AROUND THERE. I THINK, TOO, YOU NEED TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT OUR AGRICULTURAL LAND.

THIS PROJECT, IF IT GOES FORWARD, IS THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF OUR COUNTY'S SOUTHERN PORTION, OUR FARMLAND, BECAUSE IF THIS IS AN AGRICULTURE USE, THEN WHY DO THEY NEED A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT? THAT'S THE PART I DON'T GET.

IF THIS IS GOING TO BE USED FOR FOOD, THEN COORDINATING TO WHAT WAS SAID, YOU THE CAN BE USED IN A RURAL -- IN WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, SO WHY DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COMP PLAN AMOUNTED? I DON'T UNDER THAT. AND THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY, WE ALL REALLY APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT WE COULD GO TO THE FARMERS MARKETS, COUNTY LINE PRODUCE, ALL KIND OF OTHER PLACES TO GET FRESH FOOD DURING THE PANDEMIC.

WHAT'S HAPPEN. WHEN WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OUR FARMLAND IS ALL GONE? I JUST CAME BACK FROM CANADA.

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING. YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THE PASSAGES OF OUR FOOD, WHERE DOES IT COME FROM? WE'RE LOSING IT IN OUR COUNTY AND IN THE UNITED STATES.

AND I JUST THINK WE NEED TO THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE WE KEEP GIVING UP OUR FARMLAND. WE'RE LOSING IT FAST.

THANK YOU. 6.

>> MS. PERKINS: JANET PATTON. DON'T WANT TO SPEAK?

MAUREEN LONG >> SPEAKER: MAUREEN LONG 1821 CAST STEEL STREET MENENDEZ PARK. I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST FOR THE PROPOSED MANY COULD PLAN CHANGE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM AGRICULTURE-INTENSIVE TO INDUSTRIAL FOR THE APPROXIMATELY 92 ACRES OF LAND TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF UP TO 1,250,000 SQUARE FEET OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION USES. THE PROPERTY NOW IS AGRICULTURAL LAND, SO VITAL TO THE BUSINESS OF PRODUCING FOOD, OUR FOOD SECURITY AND ECONOMIC STRENGTH. THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS OF AGRICULTURE, IT DECREASES OUR STORM WATER RUNOFF, IT DECREASES AIR POLLUTION, INCREASES BIODIVERSITY AND SPECIES HABITAT. IN COMMUNITIES WHERE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES HAVE MOVED IN, CITIZENS HAVE NOTICED EXCESSIVE NOISE AND TRAFFIC FROM THE INCREASE OF EMPLOYEES.

THIS PROJECT HAS OVER 1400 EMPLOYEES, WHICH MEANS PROBABLY AT LEAST 1,000 VEHICLES, DELIVERY TRUCKS, VANS, SEMI TRUCKS. THESE BRING CAUSE FOR RESIDENTS TO WORRY ABOUT POOR AIR QUALITY, BREATHING IN TINY PARTICLES FROM DIESEL AND GASOLINE EXHAUST INCREASES A PERSON'S CHANCE FOR HAVING A HEART ATTACK. THIS COMES FROM DECADES OF STUDIES THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN. CHILDREN AND ELDERLY ARE ESPECIALLY VULNERABLE. THIS INDUSTRIAL PARK NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL THIS OTHER INDUSTRIAL IS SMALL.

I WOULDN'T EVEN CONSIDER IT INDUSTRIAL.

IT'S MORE OF A COMMERCIAL AREA. I'VE LIVED HERE ALMOST MY WHOLE LIFE AND OUT THERE AT ELKTON IT TRULY A SPECIAL PLACE.

YOU GO OUT THERE TO GO TO CHURCH YOU GO.

OUT THERE TO HAVE YOUR PICNICS, AND IT'S JUST A NEIGHBORHOOD

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SO DO WE WANT TO SACRIFICE OUR COMMUNITY IN THE NAME OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? I HOPE NOT.

SO I ASK YOU TODAY TO DENY THIS VERY LARGE SCALE PLAN AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU.

ANN TAYLOR. >> SPEAKER: HI, MY NAME IS ANN TAYLOR. [INAUDIBLE]

>> MR. MATOVINA: MA'AM, YOUR MICROPHONE IS OFF.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IT'S ON NOW. >> SPEAKER: ANN TAYLOR 1365 STATE ROAD 206. AND SINCE IT SEEMS TO BE A THING TO BE NOW, I'M ALSO A FIFTH GENERATION FLORIDIAN.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS ABOUT THIS.

ONE, WE'RE RAPIDLY LOSING AGRICULTURAL LAND, AS THE WOMAN WHO JUST SPOKE BEFORE ME SHOWED IN SUCH NICE DETAIL.

THE OTHER WAS, IS THAT THIS PROJECT, THEY SAY THAT THIS PROJECT ASSESS SEAS A NEED FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LAND.

LAND THAT ABUTS THIS PARCEL IS ALREADY AVAILABLE FOR COMMERCIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE BUT NOT YET DEVELOPED.

THIS PROJECT IS OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY AREA.

IT MAY BE CONTIGUOUS TO IT BUT IT IS OUTSIDE OF IT.

THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TO TURN THE DOWN.

THE APPLICANT HAS OFFERED TO GIVE US $16 MILLION -- 6 $6 MILLION TO EXTEND WATER AND SEWER LINES.

EXTENSION OF THESE WATER AND SEWER LINES WILL FACILITATE MORE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, AND THIS DONATION WILL, IN FACT, BE A LONG-TERM LIABILITY TO THE COUNTY.

THE APPLICANT ADMITS THAT THIS PROJECT DOES NOT MEET THE DEFINITION FOR INFILL, AND IT DOES NOT NOT PRESERVE AGRICULL

LAND. >> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU.

PATRICK HAMILTON. >> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS PAT HAMILTON 201 OWENS AVENUE, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

THERE'S 35,000 ACRES OF AG LAND IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND FLAGLER COUNTY. IT'S 100 YEARS OLD, HENRY FLAGLER STARTED IT ALL. I HAVE A SMALL REAL ESTATE COMPANY OVER AT THE BEACH, AND WHEN THE MARKET CRASHED AND NOBODY -- I MADE PAID MY OFFICE MANAGER MORE THAN WE GROSSED IN ONE YEAR, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT STUFF FROM THE POTATO FEAMPLES IN HASTINGS AND THEY KEPT AS YOU LIVE, AND WHEN COVID CAME IN AND WE WENT TO COUNTY LINE AND BOUGHT VEGETABLES WANT WE FELT GOOD ABOUT THAT. NOW, WE WERE ALL SPENT A LOT OF TIME WHEN THE COMP PLAN HAS BEEN CHANGED AND ADDRESSED AND A LOT WENT INTO SAYING WE TBLEED TO PRESERVE AGRICULTURE IN STUBBORN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND IN ST. JOHN.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS PROJECT WOULD BE TRANSFORM TV. IF YOU PUT IN -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN TO JIM'S PLACE AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUGHT TO GO GET A BURGER BECAUSE THEY'RE DELICIOUS OR HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE ST. AMBROSE FAIR AND, IT'S FABULOUS STUFF AND THE HEART OF ST. AUGUSTINE, AND THIS AREA IS PART THE HEART OF THE AG COMMUNITY FOR ST. AUGUSTINE, AND IF YOU PUT IN 1 MILLION FEET OF INDUSTRIAL THERE YOU'RE GO TO CHANGE AND IT MAKE INTEREST COMPATIBLE WITH THE USES ADJOINING TO IT. AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO TRANS TBOARMTHAT AREA FROM AG BECAUSE THESE ARE ACTUAL POTATO FIELDS THAT IS THIS IS PROPOSING TO BE BUILT ON.

SEEMS TO ME THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS PROJECT IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO URBANIZE THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY.

I MEAN, ALL THAT AG LAND IS GOING TO TURN INTO FORT LAUDERDALE. AND FOR ME I'M NOT WILLING TO GIVE THAT. I'M NOT WILLING TO SAY THAT THAT'S THE CASE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF PEOPLE SAYING, NO, WE WANT TO BRING THE EXTENSION OF THE ROAD DOWN TO 207 BUT DON'T EXTEND IT DOWN TO 206, DON'T STINTD DOWN TO THE COUNTY LINE BECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT, YOU ARE GOING TO DO AWAY WITH YOUR AGRICULTURE. WE HAVE A INTERESTING DIVERSE COUNTY THAT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE AND ARE IT'S NICE TO HAVE TREMENDOUS RECREATIONAL AREAS UP IN NORTHERN ST. JOHNS COUNTY ALONG POINT VIDA 1K3 TO THE WEST.

GREAT TO HAVE THE HISTORIC AREAS IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

GREAT TO HAVE THE AGRICULTURAL AREAS DOWN IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY. AND WE NEED TO PRESERVE THAT CHARACTER SO WE DON'T BECOME ONE BIG AREA OF SPRAWL.

THIS IS OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY.

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>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM BEFORE THE APPLICANT COMES UP FOR REBUTTAL?

CHRIS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> SPEAKER: AS FAR AS THE BIKE PATH IS CONCERNED, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT INTERNALLY, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST PLANNED ON WORKING ON WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT WILL BE PROPOSED, BUT THE THOUGHT THAT A BIKE PATH OR A SIDEWALK IS GOING TO RESTRICT DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA FOREVER DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.

IT ALSO FRANKLY DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE THAT THOSE BICYCLISTS CROSS 207, WHICH IS A FOUR-LANE BY, BUT THEY CAN'T CROSS A DRIVEWAY, SO -- BUT WE ARE SENSITIVE TO IT AND WE'LL WORK ON SOMETHING THERE. AS FAR AS THE PRERVETION FARMLANDS I'LL JUST REITERATE I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH PROTECTION OF FARMLAND, BUT THE AND BEST USE OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS NOT A FARM, AND IT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, AND TO THINK THAT EVERY FARM THAT'S IN OUR COUNTY IS GOING TO REMAIN THAT WAY JUST ISN'T THE CASE. ANOTHER KIND OF SOCIAL SIDE OF THIS IS IF YOU GO TALK TO OUR FARMERS, IS ASK THEM HOW MANY OF THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS PLAN ON CONTINUING THE FARMING OPERATIONS, AND YOU'D BE SURPRISED, A LOT OF THEM AREN'T.

AND IT IS A DYING BREED THAT WE DO NEED TO PROTECT.

SO I'M NOT IN OPPOSITION OF THAT AT ALL.

IT'S JUST THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY BEING AT THE CORNER OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR INTERSECTION WITH A QUARTER MILE OF ROAD FRONTAGE ON A MAJOR HIGHWAY, ITS HIGHEST AND BEST USE IS

SOMETHING OTHER THAN A FARM. >> DR. HILSENBECK, YOU ASKED ME TO ADDRESS --. KATHRYN WHEN ITING 10, 3 ZAP MARCO AVENUE, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

YOU ASKED ME TO ADDRESS A FEW THINGS IN THE POLITICAL MATERIALS WHICH OBVIOUSLY I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH.

CHRIS WEEK BE YOU PUT BACK UP THE EXISTING LAND USE.

YOU STATED THAT OUR APPLICATION MATERIALS SAY WE ARE SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT AREA. OUR APPLICATION MATERIALS SAY THAT WE ARE ADJACENT TO DEVELOPMENT AREA.

IT IS LITERALLY ADJACENT TO DEVELOPMENT AREA.

IT TOUCHES -- THIS RURAL COMMERCIAL IS LAND USE DEVELOPMENT AREA. IT'S NOT IN -- IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS CLOSER UP TOWARDS ST. AUGUSTINE AND IT'S CONTAINED, BUT THERE ARE NODES AT INTERSECTIONS SUCH AS THIS ONE AND OTHER ONES.

THAT IS TECHNICALLY DEVELOPMENT AREA.

SO WE LITERALLY ARE ADJACENT TO IT, NOT SURROUNDED BY IT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT DOES STATE IN THE DEALERS THAT WE RECEIVED IT'S SURROUNDED BY. IN THE MATERIALS WE RECEIVED IT

DOES. >> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW WHAT MATERIAL THAT MIGHT BE, BUT IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE GOT TO REVIEW . I GUARANTEE.

YOU. >> SPEAKER: WELL, TO CLARIFY, WE ARE NOT SURROUND BY AND DO NOT ASSERT THAT WE ARE, JUST ADJACENT TO. SO YOU WANTED TOE ME -- BEFORE I GO INTO THE COMPATIBILITY AND THE SPRAWL INDICATORS, I WANT TO ADDRESS JUST ONE OTHER ONE OF YOURS FOR ONE. ABOUT THE ECONOMIC FISCAL MARKET DEMAND REPORTS YOU JUST RECEIVED YESTERDAY, WE JUST FOUND OUT TEN MINUTES BEFORE YOU SEE THEM YESTERDAY THAT YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE THEM. THEY WERE SUBMITED LONG AGO, AND IT JUST PROBABLY WAS AN OVERSIGHT THAT'S DIDN'T MAKE THE INTO YOUR PACKAGE. SO WHEN WE LEARNED THAT, WE HAD CHRIS GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT THEM TO YOU.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I APPRECIATE IT.

>> SPEAKER: WE APOLOGIZE FOR THAT SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT

YOU HAD. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO

REVIEW THEM. >> SPEAKER: I UNDERSTAND THAT.

WITH REFERENCE TO IN JONES SPEAKING ABOUT THE LIGHTING IN THE ASTRONOMY CLUB, WE WILL ADDRESS LIGHTING A ZONING WITH OUR ZONING APPLICATION. OF COURSE WE'LL HAVE TO COMPLY

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DR. HILSENBECK, YOU MENTIONED THAT WITH COUNTY ROAD 2209 BEING TEN, 20 OR 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THIS PROJECT IS STILL VERY FEASIBLE JUST ON 2070 AT 305 EVEN IF 2209 WASE ERR NEVER EVEN BUILT. IT'S VERY FEASIBLE AND A DESIRABLE LOCATION FOR THIS INDUSTRIAL PARK.

CHRIS MENTIONED -- OKAY. SO ABOUT FARMLAND, CHRIS TALKED ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT YOU WILL HAVE SEEN IN YOUR MATERIALS THAT THE USES PROPOSED IN THIS PROJECT ARE ANCILLARY TO, ACCESSORY TO AND SUPPORTIVE OF AGRICULTURAL SERVICES AND ACTIVITIES THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE, SO THEY GO HAND IN HAND, AND THOSE AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES NEED WAREHOUSING. THEY NEED DISTRIBUTION.

THEY NEED THE KIND OF WAREHOUSE SPEC SPACE THAT CHRIS WAS DESCRIBING. AND IN JUST ONE SECOND I'M GOING TO ASK OUR PLANNER TO COME UP AND TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FARMING PROCEDURES AND THE FUTURE OF IT.

OKAY. SO AT THE RISK OF PUTTING YOU TO SLEEP, CAN YOU SHOW THIS ON THE OVERHEAD? THIS IS COMING STRAIGHT OWF OUR JUSTIFICATION AND CONSISTENCY STATEMENT. THESE ARE THE SPRAWL FACTORS.

AND THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE STAFF REPORT.

WHAT I HAVE DONE IS CON CONDEE THEY WILL, PULLED THEM OUT OF THE STAFF REPORT, AND THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTING IS THE PERTINENT POINTS FOR THIS PROJECT. SO A125 DISCOURAGES URBAN SPRAWL AND NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT NATURAL RESOURCES.

IN EVALUATING THESE AMENDMENT THE COUNTY SHALL CONSIDER EACH OF THE FOLLOWING, AND DR. HILSENBECK, I THINK YOU BROUGHT THIS POLICY UP. A, THE EXTENT TO WHICH IT'S CONTIGUOUS TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AREA, WHICH I JUST DISCUSSED. IT IS CONTIGUOUS.

B, THE EXTENT TO THIS POPULATION GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT TREND WARRANT AMENDMENT. I UNDERSTAND YOU MAY NOT HAVE -- AND SOME OF YOU DEFINITELY HAVEN'T READ MARKET NEEDS ANALYSIS -- THE COUNTY GAINED 22,962 HOUSEHOLD BETWEEN 2010 AND 2021, REPRESENTED CAN AN INCREASE OF 43.8%, AND THAT'S IN OUR ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, MARKET NEEDS ANALYSIS.

THERE IS A FORECASTED DEMAND FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SPACE IN THE COUNTY OF 2.5 MILLION. CURRENTLY THERE IS 4-POINT GO.

C, THE EXTENT TO WHICH ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT EXISTS. AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BE WITH IT'S LOCATED AT A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION INTERSECTION.

BOTH STATE ROAD STWFNT AND COUNTY ROAD 305 ARE CLASS FAD A TRANSPORTATION SPHIFLT REGIONAL SIGNIFICANCE BY THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AND BOTH OF THOSE ROADWAYS HAVE MORE THAN EXISTING CAPACITY TO SERVE THE PROJECT THROUGH BUILD-OUT. D, AGAIN, THESE ARE FACTORS INDICATING DISCOURAGING URBAN SPRAWL.

THE STT TO WHICH THE AMENDMENT WILL RESULT IN EFFICIENT USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS NEEDED FOR THE PROVISION OF NEW INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOURCES SERVICES RELATE. THERE'S ALREADY CAPACITY ON 207 AND 305. THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE EXTENDING CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER LINES TO PROVIDE CAPACITY, AND WE HAVE A LETTER FROM ASKED YOU INDICATING THEY DO HAVE STUFF CAPACITY TO SERVE THIS PROJECT.

WE WILL CERTIFY OUR FACILITIES THAT WILL ELIMINATE.

THEREFORE NO PUBLIC FUND WILL BE NEEDED FOR THIS PROJECT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. E, THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE AMENDMENT WILL NOT RESULT IN A SPRAWL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AS DETERMINED BY CHAPTER 163, FLORIDA STATUTES.

I'M GOING TO HIT THAT AFTER THIS LAST COUNTY ONE OF F.

I DON'T KNOW WHY E GOES THERE AND F.

MY OPINION IN THE CODE. NEVERTHELESS, F, THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE AMENDMENT WILL RESULT IN IN A SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THROUGH A BALANCE OF LAND USES THAT IS INTERNALLY INTERRELATED DEMONSTRATES AN EFFICIENT USE OF LAND, ENSURES

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SO THE LIGHTAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRIBUTION AND WAREHOUSE IS PROPOSED, AND I WILL REITERATE IT IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, NO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE LIMITED BY THE ZONING CATEGORY THAT WE HAVE CHOSEN WHICH IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, INDUSTRIAL IRSZ TWHAIRS. ONLY ALLOWS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

ALL THOSE USES ARE ACCESSORY TO INTERRELATED WITH, AND COMPARABLE IN INTENSITY TO THE EXISTING AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION IN AREA. THE WAREHOUSE SPACE AND DISTRIBUTION SERVICES CAN SUPPORT SURROUNDING AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS THAT ARE IN NEED OF STORAGE SPACE AND DISTRIBUTION ASSISTANCE. IT ALLOWS FOR A MASTER PLANNED HIGHER DENSITY INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT MAKES USE OF A SINGLE CON CONTIGUOUS PROPERTY FRONTING ON THE STATE ROAD 207 CORRIDOR WITH OVER 1300 FEET FRONTAGE RATHER THAN SPREADING OUT THE NEEDED USES ON SMALLER DISJOINTED INDUSTRIAL PARCELS FARTHER AWAY FROM EXISTING DEVELOPMENT NODE. THE SUNSHINE US ABOUT COMPANY DOES SERVE THE AREA AND DESIRES A STOP AT THIS LOCATION, AND AS IT'S BEEN DISCUSS BED, THE RIVERS TO TRAIL ALLOWS BICYCLISTS, EMPLOYEES TO BICYCLE.

G, THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE AMENDMENT PRULTS IN POSITIVE MARKET ECONOMIC AND FISCAL BENEFITS OF THE AREA AS DEMONSTRATED THERE A MARKET DEMAND ANALYSIS, ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS.

AGAIN I APOLOGIZE YOU WERE NOT PROVIDED THAT WITH ENOUGH TIME TO DIGEST IT. CHRIS WENT OVER THE NUMBERS AND YOU CAN SEE THEM HERE. I WILL GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN.

NOW WE HAVE TO JUMP BACK TO THE FLORIDA STATUTE FOR ALL INDICATORS. 163.3.776B STATES THAT YOU A MANY COULD PLAN AMENDMENT SHALL BE DETERMINED TO DISCOURAGE THE PROLIFERATION OF AIR BAN SPRAWL IF IT INCORPORATES A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OR URBAN FORM THAT ACHIEVES FOUR OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING EIGHT FACTORS: A LOT OF THEM ARE THE SAME AS THE COUNTY'S. ONE, DIRECT OR LOCATE ECONOMIC GROWTH TO GEOGRAPHIC AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON AND PROTECTS NATURAL RESOURCES. THE 1.25 MILLION SPARE SQUARE FEET PROPOSED WILL ENCOURAGE ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THE STUBBORN CENTRAL PORTION OF THE COUNTY WHERE THERE IS A NEED.

THERE ARE NO WETLAND, PROTECTED SPECIES ARE OTHER HABITATS.

SIGNIFICANTAL NATURAL COMMUNITIES HABITAT OR OTHER EXTRAORDINARY ENVIRONMENTAL ATTRIBUTES THAT WOULD BE

NEGATIVELY IMPACT. >> MR. MATOVINA: MS. WHITTINGTON, PULL THE MIC CLOSER TO YOU PLEASE AND SPEAK

INTO THE MIC. >> SPEAKER: IS THAT BERE? PROMOTES THE EFFICIENT AND COST EFFECTIVE PROVISION OR EXTENSION OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. AS WE HAVE SAID, NO NEW ROAD EXTENSIONS WILL BE NEEDED. STATE ROAD 207 IS CURRENTLY UNDERUTILIZED FOR ITS APPROVED LEVEL SERVICE SPHRIEWM.

SCVMENT SKULD HAS CAPACITY AND THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO EXTEND IS THE LINES. THREE, PROMOTES A MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM INCLUDING PEDESTRIAN, BICYCLE AND TRANSIT IF AVAILABLE, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THE SUNSHINE BUS AND BICYCLING FROM HASTINGS AND ELKTON.

FOUR, PROMOTES CONSERVATION OF WATER AND ENERGY.

CHRIS TALKED ABOUT THEY ARE GOING TO SEEK LEED CERTIFICATION FOR AT LEAST ONE OF THE BUILDINGS.

FIVE, PRESERVES AGRICULTURAL AREAS AND ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING SILVICULTURE, DORM ANT, UNIQUE AND PRIME FARMLAND PRIEP FARMLAND. THE PROJECT'S LOCATION ATAL WHAT BE A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION INTERSECTION WITH OVER 1300 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON STROOT 207, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS NOT FOR FARMLAND BUT RATHER FOR INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION USES THAT WILL SUPPORT AND HELP PRESERVE THE EXISTING AGRICULTURAL AREAS AND ACTIVITIES IN THE AREA. AS CHRIS MENTIONED, FARMLAND THAT'S MORE INTERIOR AND NOT ON MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS IS MORE VALUABLE TO PRESERVE AS FARMEDLAND.

SEVEN -- SIX, OPEN SPACE RECREATION.

OPEN SPACE WILL MEET THE CODE. THERE'S NO RECREATION REQUIRED.

SEVEN, CREATES A BALANCE OF LAND USES TBAIDZ ON DEMANDS OF OUR RESIDENTIAL POPULATION FOR THE NON-RESIDENTIAL NEEDS.

AS WE HAVE SAID, COMPARES WAREHOUSE SPACE WITH ESPECIALLY CLIMATE CONTROLLED, CAN SUPPORT SURROUNDING AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS THAT NEEDS STORAGE SPACE AND DISTRIBUTION ASSISTANCE. EIGHT, PROVIDES USES AND INTENSE

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DICTATED BY THIS STATUTE. SO THIS PROJECT ACHIEVES ALL EIGHT OF THE FACTORS DETERMINED BY THIS STATUTE TO DISCOURAGE PROLIFERATION OF URBAN SPRAWL AND THEREFORE WILL NOT BY LAW CONSTITUTE URBANNAL SPRAWL. FROM THE STAFF REPORT OF, AND I THINK, DR. HNLS YOU MENTIONED POLICY A127, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS TO AG DEVELOPMENT AREASAL SHA BE DISCOURAGED UNLESS THE ECONOMIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JOB CREATION, OR OTHER PUBLIC BENEFIT. IN THE MATERIALS WE SUBMITTED A DOCUMENT THAT'S CALLED PROJECT OVERVIEW AND BENEFITS THAT WERE DESCRIBED. HERE ARE NINE OF THEM.

THE REPORTS THAT YOU JUST RECEIVED LATELY DEM DISPRAIT DET THIS YPA WILL RESULT IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEFINITE BENEFIT AND JOB CREATION. OTHER INCLUDE THE NEED FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE PROJECT IS REVENUE POSITIVE.

IT CREATES JOBS. THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EXTENSION OF UTILITIES PAID FOR BY THE APPLICANT.

COMPLEMENTS NEARBY INDUSTRIAL AND AGRICULTURAL USES.

THE FIRST COAST TECHNICAL COLLEGE EXPANSION WILL BENEFIT FROM THIS PROJECT. THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC TRANSIT STOP. THEY'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT AND INCLUDING LEED.

IT'S A MASTER PLANNED INDUSTRIAL GROWTH.

SO NOW JUST TO WRAP THIS UP, FROM THE STAFF REPORT, THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM THE STAFF REPORT, IT SAYS, "THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY ADDRESSES AGRIBUSINESS ACT OF WHICH APPEAR SIMILAR TO THE PROPOSED INDUSTRIAL USES. AGRIBUSINESS IS SET OUT IN A169 OF THE COMP PLAN. THE COUNTIAL SHALL ALLOW AGRIBUSINESS OPERATIONS WITHIN RS AND AI." WHICH IS DEFINED AS OPERATIONS ASSOCIATED ABOUT ACTIVE FARM ACTIVITIES. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS DOING. AGRIBUSINESS IS ALREADY ALLOWABLE ON THIS LAND. AND IN SUM, THE MOST CLOSELY ASSOCIATED AIVET FROM AGRIBUSINESS IS VEGETABLE AND FOOD PROCESSING PLANTS, STORAGE, COLD STORAGE BE WITH TWHAIRS AND TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES AND BUILDINGS.

THAT PRETTY MUCH DESCRIBES A LOT OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING IN THIS PROJECT. AND THEN THE STAFF REVIEW, WHILE THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE PROPERTY FROM AI TO I, AGRIBUSINESS USES DESCRIBED IN POLICY A169, WHICH IS WHAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT, JUST WAREHOUSING, PROCESSING, STORAGE AND TRANSPORTATION USES. THE PROPOSED INDUSTRIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION DOES NOT APPEAR TO CONFLICT ABOUT THE DESCRIBED AGRIBUSINESS OPERATING. THE CURRENT LARGER UNDER VOING AREA CONSISTS FARMLAND AND THE MORE IMMEDIATE AREA CONSISTS A MIXTURE OF RURAL COMMERCIAL USES THAT PRIMARILY SERVE THE FARMINY THERE IS SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT MAY OCCUR IN THE AREA OVER THE NEXT 20 TO 30 OR POSSIBLY TEN YEARS WITH THE EXTENSION OF 2209 SOUTH, USING THE COUNTY ROAD 305 CORRIDOR.

STAFF REYOU'D VIEWED THE BENEFITS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SUPPLYING JOBS AND TAX REVENUES TO THE COUNTY WITH THE POTENTIAL OF DEVELOMENT SPRAWL.

STAFF FOUND THERE ARE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL-LIKE BUSINESSES AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES WITHIN THIS ELKTON HUB AT 3 RECORD F.

AND 207 AND MANY OF THE AGRICULTURAL EMPLOYEES USE DISTRIBUTION AND WAREHOUSING FACILITIES AND AGAIN, THERE IS A NEED FOR IT.

WHILE THE INDUSTRIAL USES MAY NOT BE THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE AREA, SUCH USES DO NOT APPEAR INCONSISTENT WITH EXISTING FARM ACTIVITY AND OPERATIONS AND AND AGRIBUSINESS OPERATIONS THAT ARE ALLOWED IN AI.

WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL SHANNON ACEVEDO UP BRIEFLY.

SHE'S THE PROJECT PLANNER. TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT FARMING.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. SHANNON ACEVEDO WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP 7 WALDO STREET FOR THE RECORD.

I'LL KEEP MY PORTION BRIEF BUT I DID JUST WANT TO EXPAND ON A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE DURING THE PRESENTATION ON AN INDUSTRY CHANGE THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRY TO VERTICAL FARMING, AND THAT'S MORE TO RESPOND TO A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS WE HAD TODAY ABOUT CITIZENS CONCERNED ABOUT FU SECURITY AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSION FROM THE AGENCY AS WELL. WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT THERE IS A TREND OF AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS MORE CLOSELY

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SOME OF THE OTHER TERMS THAT ARE COMING TO PLAY RIGHT NOW IS DIGITAL URBAN AGRICULTURE OR ZERO FARMING, WHICH I UNDER IS ZERO ACREAGE FARMING. OF COURSE, YOU STILL DO NEED SOME SPACE. BUT ANOTHER EXAMPLE I WANTED TO MENTION THAT I THINK IS SOMEWHAT POLITICAL, AT LEAST A -- AP PABL CABEL IT'S CALLED MIGHT VINE OUT OF OF RO ROCHELLE, ILLINOIS, D THIS IS A SHORT STORY OF 30 ACRES OF LAND THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY FARMLAND. IT WENT INDUSTRIAL.

AND THEY, THE OWNER DECIDED TO BUILD GREENHOUSES TO REPLACE TOMATO FARMS AND ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO USE 10% OF THE WATER USAGE THAT WAS USED BEFOREHAND WITH THE TRADITION ATTEMPT FARMING. SO NOT TO SAY THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THIS SITE, BUT I DID FEEL LIKE IT WAS AN INTERESTING POINT TO ADD, THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A THIS OR THAT DECISION, AND FARMING COULD CERTAINLY BE USED EVEN WITH THIS INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATION THROUGH USE OF NEW TECHNOLOGY AND SOME OF THE TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING. AND I DID HAVE THE ARTICLE, IT WAS RECENTLY PUBLISH BY AN AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION, IF ST. JOHNS COUNTY WOULD WANT IT FOR THE RECORD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. DOES THAT END YOUR REBUTTAL 123?

MR. SHAE? >> AND I'M SORRY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES THAT END YOUR REBUTTAL?

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. YES, SIR, IT DOES.

UNLESS YOU WANT US TO KEEP GOING.

I KNOW IT'S EARLY. [LAUGHTER]

>> MR. MATOVINA: MA'AM, ARE YOU LOOKING TO SPEAK?

>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, TWO THINGS.

NUMBER ONE, JENNIFER ZUBER IS WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THE APPLICANT HAD REFERENCED HER AND SHE DOES HAVE A FEW COMMENTS TO MAKE. BRIEFLY, NUMBER TWO, IT PLOIKS STAFF IF NAD VERNTD LIVE AT THOSE MARKET ANALYSIS COMMENTS SO THAT'S OUR OUR BAD. OUR APOLOGIES.

IT WASN'T INTENTIONAL. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, GENERATIVE ZUBER, PROJECT MANAGER THE WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. AND AT THIS TIME WE DO NOT HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION ON FILE FOR THIS PROJECT, HOWEVER, WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, AND A GOOD NUMBER OF JOBS HAVE BEEN VERBALLY PROPOSED FOR THIS PROJECT DURING THE MEETINGS AND DURING OUR CONVERSATIONS. FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS AND ALSO FROM INFORMAL PROJECT PROJECTIONS, STAFF HAS INDICATED THAT THIS PROJECT HAS POTENTIAL TO BE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. IF PURSUED, THE APPLICANT CAN LOOK TO RECEIVE EXPEDITED PERMITTING AND COULD ALSO LATER BE CONSIDERED FOR ECONOMIC DEVELPMENT INCENTIVES UNDER THE STNL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

AND ALSO IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT INDUSTRIAL SPACE HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND WE DO RECEIVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF REQUESTS FOR INDUSTRIAL SPACE ON A REGULAR BASIS, AND AS OF RIGHT NOW WE CURRENTLY DO NOT -- MANY TIMES WERE NOT ABLE TO RESPOND WITH SITES THAT ARE AVAILABLE CURRENTLY, SO WE DO HAVE TO PASS ON SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS. AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY AT THIS POINT.

IT IS KIND OF LATE. AND SO WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK AT THIS POINT IS THAT MEMBERS OF THE AGENCY MAY DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE STATEMENTS MADE BY MS. WHITMYER OR MR. SHAE OR ANY OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS, BUT LET'S START WITH QUESTIONS AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO STATE THE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T AGREE WITH WHEN WE GET INTO DISCUSSION AMONGST THE MEMBERS, LET'S DO THAT THEN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TOO GET INTO A DEBATE BETWEEN THE

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SO, DR. HILSENBECK, QUESTIONS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I AGREE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE HERE DEBATING THIS.

BUT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS HERE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. SHAE, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE

MICROPHONE? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DON'T CARE TO SPEAKS BUT MR. SHAE WOULD BE A GREAT SPOKESPERSON.

I ASSUME THAT Y'ALL DO HAVE AN APPRAISAL ON THIS PROPERTY THAT SAYS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS IS INDUSTRIAL LAND?

>> SPEAKER: NO, SIR. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO WHO MADE

THAT DETERMINING? >> SPEAKER: OOH A REAL ESTATE BROKER AND I HAVE BEEN IN REAL ESTATE SINCE 20 -- JANUARY 2001 WHEN I GRADUATED COLLEGE. THIS IS ALL I KNOW, ALL I'VE DONE. I DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO APPRAISER, BEEN A REAL ESTATE BROKER, BUT AN APPRAISAL IS AN

OPINION, AND THAT IS MY OPINION. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

BUT YOU'RE NOT AN APPRAISER. MY WIFE IS ALSO A REAL ESTATE BROKER, AND SHE DOESN'T THINK THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS IS INDUSTRIAL, BUT THAT'S HER OPINION, AND SHE'S NOT AN APPRAISER, EITHER. SO THAT TERM "HIGHEST AND BEST USE" IS REALLY AN APPRAISAL TERM STANDARD OF ART TYPE TERM FOR WHAT IS HIGHEST AND BEST USE. I QUESTIONED WHY Y'ALL KEPT USING THAT. WHY, WEK DID Y'ALL NOT GO TO THE WINDING OAKS SITE. SINCE SHANNON ACEVEDO IS HERE, SHE REPRESENTED THE WINDING OAKS FOLKS A COUPLE OF CASES.

WE . OCCASIONS.

WE HAD THE ITEM EARLIER TODAY ON THE UTILITY WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT AREA, RECLAMATION AREA.

AND WHY NOT GO TO THAT PARTICULAR SITE? IT'S CLOSER TO I-95. IT'S WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS.

>> SPEAKER: I TRIED TO BUY THAT PROPERTY, AND THE LADY HAD NO INTEREST IN SELLING IT, AND I ALSO SENT SEVERALMENTS TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST THAT AD EVER HAVE HAVE NEVER BEEN ALL TO GET A RESPONSE OUT OF HIM.

I HAVE TRIED. THE WINDING OAKS PROPERTY AS I UNDERSTAND WAS PURCHASED BY PULTE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: BY WHOM? >> SPEAKER: PULTE WHICH IS THE APPLICANT OR AN INVESTMENT FIRM RELATED TO PULTE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: ALL RIGHT. SO Y'ALL KEEP SAYING THIS IS A MAJOR INDUSTRIAL HUB, INDUSTRIAL HUB, COMMERCIAL HUB, AND ALL OF THAT. I HAD MY PICTURE UP THERE THAT I TOOK YESTERDAY. IT IS A SMALL, IT'S A TINY DEVELOPMENT NODE, AND IF YOU LOOK DOWN IN POLICY A WANT 1.2.5 WHICH IS DISPUTING SOME, DEBATING, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A TYPO UP THERE, AN A THAT IT NEED TO BE CONTIGUOUS ABOUT AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AREA, BUT DOWN IN E IT SAYS, "APPROPRIATE AREAS AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY." SO THERE'S A CONTRADICTION HERE IN THE COMP PLAN VERSUS "AND DEVELOPMENT AREA" VERSUS "WITHIN THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY." SO THAT ONE IS INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE IT IS NOT CLOSE TO BEING WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ODD TO ME THAT AG HAS HAD ADEQUATE FACILITATES.

AG HAS THRIVED IN THE HASTING AND ELKTON AREAS FOR YEARS AND THEY HAVE PACKING OUSTS AND REFRIGERATION HOUSES AND TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES, AND THEY'VE DONE AN ADEQUATE JOB OF GROWING FOOD AND PACKING IT AND EXPORTING IT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, THEY CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE WITHOUT THIS. THIS IS THE BE ALL, END ALL AND WE CAN'T HAVE SUCCESSFUL AG OPERATIONS OUT THERE WITHOUT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AT THIS LOCATION.

SO I JUST -- I SEE AG SHRINKING IN ITS FOOTPRINT, AND THEY'VE GOTTEN BY FOR DECADE AS IT WAS POINTED OUT EARLIER.

HENRY FLAGLER STARTED THE AG OUT THERE TO SUPPLY HIS HOTELS HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU KNEW RIGHT NOW WHAT THE RIDER SHICHT SUNSHINE BUS COMPANY WAS.

YOU ALL ARE SAYING THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS, SUNSHINE BUS COMPANY. THEY WANT TO EXPAND AND ALL THAT. I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'S SPRING SEMESTER SMALL RIDERSHIP OUT THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT

IS. >> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIDERSHIP IS FOR THAT PARTICULAR LINK.

RIGHT NOW THEY ONLY HAVE ONE ROUTE IN THE MORNING AND ONE ONE

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AND YOU THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN HASTINGS THAT DON'T HAVE GREAT EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES. THIS IS ONE HELL OF AN

OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM. >> DR. HILSENECK: I DO THINK IT'S AN OUTSTANDING OPPORTUNITY. I DO.

BUT I THINK AT THIS TIME OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY THIS IS WAY PREMATURE, IN MY OPINION. SO THE LITTLE COMMERCIAL AREA THERE AT ELKTON WITH KEEP PEOPLE REFERRING TO IT AS AN INDUSTRIAL HUB, INDUSTRIAL USES THERE. WHAT INDUSTRIAL USE IS THERE? THERE'S A BUSINESS THAT CUTS SOME MARTIAL FOR KITCHEN COUNTERS AND TABLETOPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

CUTS MARBLE. THERE'S A SPRET THERE.

THERE'S A CAR REPAIR SHOT. A VET AND CAR RAPE SHOP.

THERE'S A COUPLE HOUSES THERE. THERE'S A LITTLE RESTAURANT.

THERE'S THE POST OFFICE. THESE ARE NOT INDUSTRIAL USES.

THIS IS NOOP AN INDUSTRIAL HUB OUT THERE.

AND IT'S BEEN REFERRED TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS A MAJOR INTERSECTION, BUT YOU BLOW BY THERE DRIVING 60 MILES AN HOUR, AND YOU DO NOT EVEN NOTICE THAT THAT'S AN INTERSECTION FOR THE MOST PART. THAT IS NOT A MAJOR INTERSECTION OUT THERE, IN MY OPINION AGAIN. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT -- AND I AGREE THIS LAND IS GOING TO GET DEVELOPED SOMEDAY.

THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. IT'S IN THE PATH OF DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S COME THAT WAY AND IT WILL BE DEVELOPED, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT DAY IS REALLY HERE.

2209 IS NOT DOWN THERE YET. AND I DON'T SEE THIS AS A MAJOR COMMERCIAL HUB AND THE SPOT TO HAVE ALL THIS, AND WE'RE NOT LOS ANGELES. THE AG WAS REFERENCED, THAT 700 ACRES DOWN TO 95,000 SQUARE FEET IN LOS ANGELES, SOUTH LOS ANGELES AREA IN COMPTON. WE'RE NOT AT L.A. PRICES YET IN TERMS OF LAND BEING SOLD BY THE SQUARE FOOT.

SO I JUST THINK THAT IS A SPECIOUS ARGUMENT AND IS NOT VALID TO TRANSLATE THAT ONTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY OR NORTHEAST FLORIDA. SO I'M REALLY AGAINST TAKING THIS GIANT LEAP FROM AGRICULTURAL LAND TO INDUSTRIAL LAND. THAT IS WAY TOO MUCH OF A LEAP FOR ME IN ONE FELL SWOOP, AND I KNOW THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING, IT'S GOING TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS NEXT, AND I FEEL THEY'LL PROBABLY TRANSMIT IT ONTO D CA-, NOT D CA-, TO THE STATE FOR REVIEW, ALL THE AGENCIES THAT REVIEW THAT, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

I'M DISMAYED THAT WE KEEP LOSING AGRICULTURAL LANDS IN THIS COUNTY, AND I THINK LAND ALONG A HIGHWAY IS JUST AS VALUABLE AGRICULTURAL LAND AS ONE OFF THE HIGHWAY.

I DROVE AROUND OUT IN THAT AREA AND HAVE FOR YEARS AND IT'S -- YOU LOOK AT CROPS OUT THERE AND THEY'RE GROWING THE SAME RIGHT THERE BY THE ROAD AS THEY ARE A MILE INLAND FROM THE ROAD, A MILE OFF THE ROAD, I SHOULD SAY. IT'S ALREADY INLAND.

SO I'M REALLY DISMAYED ABOUT THIS, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH AND DISPUTE SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB, AND I JUST WISH SOME OF THIS MATERIAL IN THERE HAD BEEN IN THERE.

IN OUR MATERIALS WE REVIEWED AND READ OVER AND OVER SAYING ALL THIS GREAT AG OPPORTUNITY WAS THERE BECAUSE WHEN I READ ALL THAT STUFF, IT WAS MAINLY THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, WAREHOUSE, TRANSPORTATION TYPE FACILITY.

AG WAS HARDLY MENTIONED IN THERE UNTIL TODAY, AND I KNOW THIS OPPORTUNITY JUST CAME UP, AND IT'S A GREAT ONE, BUT I THINK IT'S PREMATURE. BUT I'M SURE I'M GOING TO GET VOTED DOWN, TOO, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, DR. HILSENBECK.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT.

THEN WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION AND DISCUSSION.

I WANT TO LET THE AUDIENCE MEMBERS KNOW, JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR,, OF COURSE, THIS BODY IS AN ADVISORY BODY.

WE JUST PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THEY WILL MAKE THE FINAL VOTE.

ALSO IF IT IS VOTED TO BE TRANSMITTED, THIS IS THE FIRST BITE OF THE APPLE. THERE'S ANOTHER BITE AT THE

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THE STATE THAT IS 30 DAYS TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS.

THE COMMENTS COME BACK. AND THEN IT COMES BACK BEFORE US AGAIN WITH THE ADOPTION HEARING FOR THIS SAME ITEM, AS WELL AS THE ZONING WHICH WILL BE A SEPARATE ITEM WHICH WILL GIVE MUCH MORE DIELT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND MIGHT DPREAS THINGS LIKE LIGHTING AND PATHS AND THOSE EFFORTS SORTS THINGS, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE AUDIENCE MEMBERS ARE AWARE OF IF FACT THAT THIS IS THE FIRST BITE OF THE APPLE AND THERE WILL BE MUCH MORE DETAIL IF IT MOVES TO THE NEXT STEP THROUGH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. ALL RIGHT.

BACK INTO TANGLES FOR A MOTION. MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF TRANSMITTAL OF A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT TWOO 04 ELKTON INDUSTRIAL PARK BASED

UPON FOUR FINDINGS FACT. >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION FORG APPROVAL FROM MS. PERKINS. IS THERE A SECOND IN SECOND BY MR. PIERRE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING, AND THAT IS THAT I'M PRETTY MUCH A LEGALIST WHEN IT COMES TO THESE SORTS OF THINGS.

AND WHEN YOU READ POLICY 8 BE.WEREN'T .2.7 IT HAS A VERY

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: CAN WE SEE THE VOTE? THERE IT IS. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: 4 TO 2. I'M SORRY.

YOU KEACH FORGETTING WE LOST ONE.

THAT GETS US THROUGH ALL OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

IS THERE ANYTHING FROM STAFF TODAY?

>> MR. CHAIR, I JUST HAVE ONE THING I WANT TO SHARE.

ON YOUR NEXT MEETING, IT'S COMING UP, YOU'RE GOING TO BE SELECTING A AHAC, THAT'S THE ADVISORY HOUSING -- AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND IT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEMBER ON THAT COMMITTEE, SO I'-

>> MR. MATOVINA: COULD Y'ALL TAKE THE NOISE OUTSIDE, PLEASE.

WE CAN'T HEAR. THANK YOU.

>> TERESA BISHOP: SO IT'S GOING TO BE GOING TO BE ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA FOR THAT SO

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