Jul 19, 2022 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order by Chair]

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>> BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REGULAR MEETING.

AS WE ALWAYS DO, WE WANT TO START WITH THE ROLL CALL.

>> CHAIR DEAN? >> PRESENT.

COMM COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> PRESENT. COMMI COMMI COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH BLOCKER?

>> PRESENT. >> VERY HAPPY TO HAVE THE INVOCATION AND CALL ON JERRY HANDSHIP RETIRED ARMY.

IF Y'ALL PLEASE STAND. >> LET'S PRAY.

LORD, THANK YOU FOR THIS, THANK YOU FOR THE LEADERS IN THIS ROOM, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, WE PRAY FOR THEM TODAY.

ASK THAT YOU GIVE THEM WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT AND ALL THE THINGS DECIDED TODAY. CONTINUE TO BLESS US AS YOU HAVE. ASK BLESSINGS OVER OUR NATION, OUR STATE. THANK YOU FOR PUBLIC SERVANTS LIKE MELISSA FROM UNITED WAY AND HER SKILLS AND RESOURCES TO MAKE SUCH AN IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER, WE PRAY ALL THIS IN YOUR PRECIOUS NAME, AMEN.

>> LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. >> PLEASE JOIN ME TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU.

[Certificate of Recognition awarded to United Way CEO Melissa Nelson]

>> OKAY. PLEASE BE SEATED.

I AM VERY HONORED AND PLEASED TO RECOGNIZE OUR COMMISSIONER SARAH ARNOLD WHO IS GOING TO RECOGNIZE MELISSA.

WE ALL LOVE MELISSA FOR ALL THE WORK SHE HAS DONE FOR UNITED

WAY. >> GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. IF MISS MELISSA COULD PLEASE COME UP. WHAT THIS WOMAN HAS DONE FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY COMMENDABLE.

IF YOU WOULD. >> ST. JOHN'S COUNTY CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION AWARD ED MORE THN EIGHT YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE PRESIDENT AND CEO. FINANCIAL STABILITY OF LOCAL FAMILIES. 1.12 MILLION DOLLARS IN 2015 TO

2.37 MILLION DOLLARS IN 2021. >> I WOULD LOVE TO FRENT YOU WITH CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION. [APPLAUSE]

>> THOSE OF YOU THAT KNOW ME KNOW I DON'T HAVE LACK OF WORDS.

YOU KNOW I AM FREQUENTLY VERY MOVED BY THE STORIES I AM ABLE TO TELL AND DIFFERENCES WE MAKE IN THE COMMUNITY.

THE REASON I CAN DO THAT IS IT IS NOT ABOUT ME.

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I HOPE YOU SHOW THE SAME SUPPORT TO THE PERSON THAT IS SITTING IN MY DESK. YOU CAN CALL ON ME TO BE A RESOURCE FOR EVERY SINGLE UNITED WAY, 28 OF THEM IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. SO THANK YOU, ALL.

[APPLAUSE]

>> CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT CERTIFICATE OF

RECOGNITION. >> MOTION.

>> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY

[Public Safety Update]

>> THAT PASSES NOW WE GET TO MOVE INTO PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE.

CHIEF, GOOD MORNING, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF. GOOD NEWS AND BAD NEWS.

LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT LACK OF RAIN, WE HAVE BEEN GETTING RAIN WHICH DECREASED WILDFIRE.

THAT CAME WITH LIGHTNING. MULTIPLE STRUCTURES HIT.

MAY KNOW ONE OF THEM BEING THE PUNTA BEACH LIBRARY.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC FEEL YOUR HOUSE HAS BEEN STRUCK BY LIGHTNING, CALL US. GOOD NOTE, YESTERDAY WE STARTED 16 NEW FIREFIGHTERS FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

GOOD GROUP. PROUD TO REPORT, SEVEN CERTIFIED AS PARAMEDICS. HAPPY TO GET THEM STARTED.

ALL 16 SHOWED BACK UP. THEY HAVE SIX WEEKS BEFORE THEY HIT THE STREET. SIX HARD WEEKS.

REAL PROUD TO HAVE THOSE STARTING WITH US.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL ANSWER QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, CHIEF.

NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM SHERIFF. >> GOOD MORNING.

CAPTAIN. APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING IN UNIFORM AND FILLING IN THIS MORNING.

I WANT TO KEEP IT BRIEF. WE ARE CONTINUALLY ADJUSTING TACTICS BASED ON THE GROWTH OF THE COUNTY.

WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT. DISCIPLINE MAYBE LAW ENFORCEMENT, PUBLIC WORKS, FIRE RESCUE.

WE ALL HAVE ONE COMMON GOAL TO MAKE LIFE GOOD FOR CITIZENS.

[Clerk of Court's Report]

YOU. >> THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING, SIR? >> CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER'S GOOD MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A BRIEFING PASSPORT APPLICATIONS AND SPECIAL EVENT AUGUST 6TH.

COURT AND COMPTROLLERS ASSIST RESIDENTS RECEIVING REVIEWING PASSPORT APPLICATIONS BEFORE SENDING THEM TO U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE. PRECOVID, 8,000 APPLICATIONS PER YEAR. THIS YEAR ALREADY PROCESSED 6200 APPLICATIONS WELL ON OUR WAY TO RECEIVING PRECOVID NUMBERS.

OUR OFFICE HAS THREE LOCATIONS. ANNEX, BOTH APPOINTMENT ONLY AND COURTHOUSE. OUR RESIDENTS AS YOU KNOW ESPECIALLY BUSY GETTING AWAY FROM WORK ON A WEEKDAY TO COMPLETE APPLICATIONS ESPECIALLY IF THEY MUST BRING A MINOR CHILD. SPECIAL PASSPORT SATURDAY, 9:00 A.M. TO 2:30. NO APPOINTMENT.

STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE TO TAKE PASSPORT PHOTOS FOR NEW AND RENEWED APPLICATIONS. WE EXPECT A BUSY DAY AND SQUAD READY TO FACILITY APPLICATIONS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

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>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, GOOD?

THANK YOU, SIR. >> NOW READY TO GO TO CONSENT

[Deletions to Consent Agenda]

ARNOLD? >> NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

BEFORE WE TAKE VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA LET'S HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO CALL UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT GREG HUNTINGTON WHO WISHES TO SAY A BRIEF WORD.

THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ONLY.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN FOR THE RECORD, GREG HUNTINGTON, WASTE MANAGEMENT 6501 GREENVILLE ROAD, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

WE ARE CONSENT ITEM NO. 43. LOADING TRANSPORTATION DISPOSAL CONTRACT. AS YOU KNOW, YOU ARE ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTIES IN THE NATION.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU AND YOUR RESIDENTS TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND IN WHAT YOU ARE DOING WITH YOUR WASTE.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST TOLD ME TO BE BRIEF AND AMAZING AND NOT BORING AND LONG WHICH I'LL DO MY BEST.

I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY THANK YOU.

I DEAL WITH 13 COUNTIES AND ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN THEM.

IN THE WAY IN WHICH THEY TREAT THEIR CONTRACTORS AND VENDORS.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY COUNTY IS BY FAR BEST MUNICIPAL PARTNER I GET TO DEAL WITH. IT IS A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HUNTER CONRAD.

CONTROL CENTER GREG CALDWELL? GREG CALDWELL, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW EVERY STAFF MEMBER. PLEASURE GETTING TO KNOW HIM.

RIGHT MAN FOR THE JOB. JOHN BENETTON, 30 YEARS IN THE INDUSTRY. IT IS EASY TO TALK TRASH LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE. FEW STAFF MEMBERS, CRISTY STEWART AND ASHLEY. PLEASURE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY. WE SO APPRECIATE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE SHARE AND THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO SHARE INTO THE

FUTURE, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. HUNTINGTON.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON CONSENT AGENDA? ...

>> BJ CLADY, PLEASE PULL CONSENT 41 AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT TAX DOLLARS, MADE UP OF COMMISSIONER ARNOLD AND SIX INDIVIDUALS SELECTED BY THE UNITED WAY. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING 7.7 TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR AWARDED- NON-PROFIT.

6,695,000 WILL GO TO -- PROFITS. 10% OF 669,565 GOES TO UNITED WAY OR $334,873 TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHICH IS 5% OF $669,565.

SO 1004,348 PLUS 6695,652 EQUAL THAT $7,700,000.

MY QUESTION: ONE, WILL THE SALARY BE PAID FROM 3434,873 WHICH IS 5% TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. QUESTION 2, IS $334,783 AMOUNT THE COUNTY WILL RECEIVE TO ADMINISTER FUNDS? COULDN'T FIND THOSE ANSWERS IN YOUR PACKET.

JULY 6TH, 2020 UNITED WAY ON JULY 6TH, THIS RESOLUTION SHOULD

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PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE ONES THAT ARE GOING FOR THIS MONEY WHO IS GETTING WHAT TO ADMINISTER IS WHICH IS FINE.

WE NEED TO GET THE FIGURES RIGHT SO THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW WHAT THE COUNTY IS GETTING OUT OF IT, WHAT THE UNITED WAY IS GETTING OUT OF IT AND HOW THE NON-PROFITS ON THE GROUND WILL GET WHAT THEY NEED AND UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CAN GO ABOUT DOING THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.

THIS IS FOR CONSENT AGENDA ONLY. NOW IS THE TIME.

YES, MA'AM? GOOD MORNING.

>> MY NAME IS CARL HOLTZ. I AM WITH CARE AS YOU ALL KNOW.

COMMUNITY ADVOCATES FOR RACIAL EQUITY.

WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ITEM FORMER SPEAKER ADDRESSED ESPECIALLY WITH THE GREAT MELISSA LEAVING THE COUNTY.

WE APPRECIATE COUNTY TAKING ACTION TO DISTRIBUTE RESCUE FUNDS, AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS.

THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT HOW IT IS GOING TO BE DONE.

IT MAYBE VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS.

WE REALIZE THAT. BUT WE WOULD EXPECT THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THE PROCESS.

WE DO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS EFFORT, BUT, IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMUNITY AND AGENCIES WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS COVERED IN THE BEST WAY THANK

[Approval of Consent Agenda]

YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, WE ARE GOING TO

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> MOTION ON CONSENT?

>> MOTION. >> SECOND.

>> MOS MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

[Additions/Deletions to Regular Agenda]

ALL RIGHT. NOW WE CAN MOVE TO REGULAR AG AGENDA.

TAKE UP ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

[Approval of Regular Agenda]

>> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> NONE. MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> NONE.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE? >> SO MOVED.

[1. Public Hearing * PUD 2022-04 Madison St. Augustine.]

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.

NOW READY TO TAKE UP ITEM 1 NOW, ITEM 1 IS GOING TO BE SORT OF A FORMAL OR SEMIFORMAL HEARING. SINCE I HAVEN'T PRACTICED LAW IN 38 YEARS, I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR ESTEEMED COUNCIL AND STAFF TO EXPLAIN TO EVERYONE PARTICIPATING HOW WE ARE GOING TO START THIS PROCESS. CHRISTINE, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE SUMMARY. DO YOU WANT MR. WESTER TO JUST

START? >> COMMISSIONER CHRISTINE, SENIOR ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY.

NO. 2, APPEAL PROCESS THAT IS UNIQUE.

>> WAIT A MINUTE, I INVERTED ONE AND TWO.

NO. ONE MADISON APARTMENTS, NO. TWO.

I APOLOGIZE. PROBABLY THROUGH YOU A REAL

CURVE. >> YES, WE NEED EX PARTE

DISCLOSURE. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM ON THE RIGHT ITEM. OTHER ITEM TWO EXTENSIVE PUBLIC

HEARING AGENDA. >> YES, SIR.

>> LET'S START OVER, GOOD MORNING, MR. WESTER.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

MR. BRAD WESTER MEETING THURSDAY JUNE 4TH.

MR. WESTER REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT IN THIS AGENDA ITEM.

DISCUSSED SCOOP AND TRAFFIC ISSUES THERE.

WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE IMPACTS AND NEIGHBORING PARCEL OWNERS AS WELL AND THE COMMUNITY OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE, SIR. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. PAUL?

>> I HAVE DOWN HERE I MET WITH YA JULY 14TH.

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WE DIDN'T MEET. >> BY PHONE.

>> WE HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION ABOUT CONCERNS.

WE DISCUSSED THE COLLEGE. I WATCHED THE PZA HEARING.

WE DISCUSSED ITEMS BROUGHT UP IN THE HEARING.

WE TALKED ABOUT HEIGHT AND CONCERNS NEIGHBORING ROADS AND CONCERNS. MR. CHAIR?

>> JULY 14TH. 1:30.

I ALSO MET WITH BRAD WESTER. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT NAME NOT LISTED ON THIS SHEET TO DISCUSS PROPOSAL, CONDITIONS ATTACHED, AND THE POSSIBLE CONCERNS OF DENSITY AND TRAFFIC HE FELT HAD BEEN ADDRESSED. THAT WAS MY DISCUSSION.

>> THURSDAY, AT APPROXIMATELY 12:00, WE DISCUSSED PROJECT, TRAFFIC COUNTS PROPOSING VERSES ALREADY ENTITLED AND COMMUNITY

OPPOSITION. >> OKAY.

>> FRIDAY JULY 15TH, 10:00 A.M., I HAD A PHONE CALL DISCUSSING THIS PROJECT. TRAFFIC IMPACTS, DENSITY.

OPPOSITION BROUGHT FROM COLLEGE AS WELL AS OTHER RESIDENTS AND

TRAFFIC PATTERNS. >> OKAY.

>> NOW WE ARE READY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BRAD WESTER. DIEBENOW, I AM THE AGENT FOR THIS PUD REQUEST. MADISON ST. AUGUSTINE.

IT IS FOR 218 APARTMENT UNITS AND 20 TOWN HOME UNITS, CORNER OF KENTON, MORRISON DRIVE AND STATE ROAD 16.

OFFICIAL REZONING SUBMITTAL FOR 238 UNITS, REQUEST BEEN FOR LOCAL COMMUNITY, COLLEGE AND PZA.

HOWEVER SINCE THE PUD HAS GONE, SINCE THEN, PUD GONE THROUGH MATERIAL CHANGE SINCE PZA PUBLIC HEARING DUE TO REMOVAL OF TWO WAIVERS. SPECIFICALLY WAIVER FOR REDUCTION IN PARK SPACE ROUGHLY THREE ACRES TO TWO AND A HALF ACRES, REMOVED. AS WELL AS A WAIVER FOR REDUCTION AND THE SET BACK FROM P PRINCIPLE ARTERIAL. BOTH WAIVERS REMOVED.

AS A RESULT I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST REMAND BACK TO PZA FOR FURTHER REVIEW. A LOT OF THAT DISCUSSION HINGED UPON WAIVERS SPECIFICALLY. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS FROM THE PUBLIC TODAY. I RESPECTFULLY ASK WE REMAND THIS BACK SINCE IT WAS A MATERIAL CHANGE TO THE APPLICATION AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION HINGED UPON THOSE WAIVERS SPECIFICALLY. PROCESSED TO HAVE PZA LOOK AT

THIS, 5-1 DENIAL AT PZA. >> THANK YOU.

MR. WESTER. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

WE WILL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM 1, MADISON APARTMENT PROPOSAL. IF YOU'LL LINE UP.

THERE MAYBE SEVERAL OR MORE WHO WANT TO SPEAK.

AM I HEARING A WHISTLE OR CRY? >> BABY.

>> I DIDN'T SEE THE BABY. WELCOME TO THE BABY.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN ALL HEAR EACH OTHER AND LISTEN TO TO BABY AT THE SAME TIME. LINE UP IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM 1. ITEM 1, ANY SPEAKERS DON'T BE BASHFUL. PLEASE APPROACH.

WE'LL LINE UPSTART WITH THE LADY TO MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT, YELLOW JACKET. YES, MA'AM?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION WILL THIS JUST BE ON

REMANDING IT BACK TO PZA? >> THIS IS ON THE REQUEST TO

REMAND BACK TO PZA. >> OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT I UNDERSTAND --

>> LESLIE KEY 207 MISSION COAST CIRCLE.

ST. AUGUSTINE HOA PRESIDENT FOR MISSION TRACE.

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WE WERE PROVIDE PREPARED TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY.

>> I WOULD CONSIDER HAVING MOTION AND SECOND AND TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT SO WE ARE CLEAR ON WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING? COMMISSIONER WISHES TO REMAND BEFORE WE VOTE WE'LL HAVE COMMENTS JUST ON THE MOTION TO REMAND NOT ON THE SUBJECT MATTER ITSELF. IS THERE A MOTION TO REMAND?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO REMAND MADISON APARTMENTS BACK TO PZA

BOARD. >> SECOND.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS MOTION AND SECOND BACK TO REMAND TO PZA ONLY.

THAT DISCUSSION. >> I AGREE SHOULD BE REMANDED.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA. WE DIDN'T HAVE IDEA THE DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO DO THAT. I APPRECIATE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT IS CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

STAY AWAKE IF IT GOES BACK TO PZA YOU NEED TO SHOW UP AGAIN.

I THINK, AGAIN ON THE RECORD. YOU LET THEM KNOW THEY ARE NOT GOING TO RUN OVER THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

CONTINUE TO DO IT NOT JUST FOR THIS ITEM BUT OTHER ITEMS BEFORE THIS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU.

>> [APPLAUSE] >> I AM GOING TO ASK THE

AUDIENCE TO HOLD APPLAUSE. >> JOE [INAUDIBLE].

MY CONCERN HERE IS AS IT IS AS THE SET BACK AND HEIGHT ONLY ISSUES PZA CONSIDERED AND BASED THEIR VOTE ON.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS TRUE. I AM NOT SURE OUR CITIZENS FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT. THEY HAVE HEARD A REMAND.

I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT I AM CERTAIN HEIGHT AND SET BACK NOT THE ONLY ISSUES PZA BASED ITS VOTE ON EXCEPT FOR THOSE, NO REASON TO REMAND THIS PZA CONSIDERED WHAT IT CONSIDERED AND THOSE ISSUES CAN BE TAKEN UP HERE AND VOTED ON TODAY.

I URGE YOU TO NOT REMAND THIS BACK TO PZA.

>> THANK YOU. >> [APPLAUSE]

>> THANK YOU MR. [INAUDIBLE]. YES, SIR?

>> GOOD MORNING, KEN MACLAINE, PO BOX 912 HASTINGS, FLORIDA.

I AGREE WITH BJ. BIG CORPORATIONS CAN'T CONTINUE TO GET ALONG WITH -- WE HAVE LAWS FOR A REASON.

THOSE REASONS AREN'T BEING MET. I HAVE SENT SEVERAL TIMES ISSUE I HAVE WITH HASTINGS. WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL VIOLATIONS GOING ON. I LIKE TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE

MONITOR. >> EXCUSE ME, IS THIS PERTINENT TO THIS DISCUSSION? SUPPOSED TO BE STICKING TO ITEM

1. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ONLY ON THE MOTION WHETHER OR NOT TO REMAND THIS ITEM, PZA NOT ANY ITEMS OUTSIDE OF THE MADISON PUD REMAND.

>> IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUE OF REMAND ON ITEM ONE, WELCOME THAT, PLEASE LIMIT YOUR DISCUSSION TO THAT ISSUE.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD ALSO.

THERE WILL BE TIME AT THE END OF THE MEETING ANY OTHER MATTERS.

>> AT THE END OF THE MEETING WHEN ALL THE AGENDA ITEMS ARE OVER THAT BRINGS ME TO ANOTHER POINT.

PUBLIC IS SHUT OUT FROM DOING A LOT OF THINGS AND EXPRESSING

CONCERNS. >> THAT IS THE PUBLIC AGENDA.

>> [APPLAUSE] >> AGAIN, LESLIE KEYS 207 MISSION CIRCLE. I HAVE A QUESTION TO ALL THE PEOPLE CLAPPING. IF THIS IS REMANDED IT WILL BEGIN AGAIN WITH A NEW APPLICATION AND WE WILL ADDRESS

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THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME WE HAVE ALL BEEN TOGETHER.

NUMBER OF US ARE TAKING OFF WORK TO DO THESE MEETINGS.

>> WHILE WE ARE ALTOGETHER, CHRISTINE, CAN YOU ADDRESS THOSE

QUESTIONS? >> YES, AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED INFORMATION REGARDING WHICH PZA MEETING THEY WANT TO RRN TO. SO WE DON'T HAVE A DATE FOR YOU.

I APOLOGIZE. I WILL ALSO POINT OUT PZA DID CONSIDER THIS ITEM TWICE ALREADY.

>> LET'S MAKE SURE WE DO ALL WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THESE HOMEOWNERS ARE NOTICED AS TO WHEN THE PZA IS AND WE DON'T KNOW YET. WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THE

NOTICE. >> WE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF ONES BESIDES THE WAIVERS. THANK YOU.

>> IT WILL BE RENOTICED AS THE OTHER HEARINGS HAVE.

>> CHUCK LEBANOUSKI. GOES TO THE PZA BACK HERE.

NOW SEND TO PZA AGAIN. WE NEED TO STOP BOUNCING THIS THING AROUND. IT IS NOT JUST THIS ONE.

MULTIPLE TIMES IT HAS HAPPENED. WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY.

>> [APPLAUSE] >> I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION HAS COME BEFORE US.

AM I WRONG? I DON'T THINK IT HAS BEEN BOUNCED BACK. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT HAS GONE FIRST TO PZA AND THEN TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE ARE MOVING IT BACK TO THE PZA.

>> RIGHT. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT HAS BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD. IT HAS BEEN HEARD BY THE PZA

TWICE. >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY.

WE ARE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT. >> MOTION AND SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. THAT IS APPROVED.

4-1. TO REMAND.

THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING. YOU'LL BE NOTICED AS TO WHEN

[2. ADMA 2022-02 Special Care Housing-Mill Creek Estates.]

I AM GUESSING. >>> NOW WE ARE ON ITEM 2 WHICH IS A LENGTHY LEGAL BATTLE I AM GOING TO TURN OVER TO THE ATTORNEYS TO TRY TO EXPLAIN AND HANDLE AS WE GO FORWARD.

WE'LL TAKE UP ITEM 2 NOW CHRISTINE.

>> IT IS EX PARTE. THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> LET'S DO EX PARTE. THIS IS ITEM 2, COMMISSIONER

BLOCKER? >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

I DID NOT HAVE SCHEDULED MEETINGS.

I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH MR. ZACH MILLER ATTORNEY.

WE SPOKE WEDNESDAY JULY 13TH, 2:00 P.M. HE HAD GENERAL ASKED ME IF I HAD QUESTIONS, SPECIFIC CONCERNS.

I HAVE NOT MET WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

I HAVE RECEIVED NUMBER OF E-MAILS FROM DIFFERENT RESIDENTS AND COUPLE OF PHONE CALLS EXPRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT THE APPEAL. THAT IS ALL I HAVE, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> I HAVE NOTHING SCHEDULED.

>> I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE, THIS IS NOT THE FORM FOR THAT. WE ARE TRYING TO CONDUCT A

MEETING. >> WE CANNOT HEAR YOU?

>> I HEAR YA. >> LET ME TALK TO WHOEVER IS HANDLING THE AUDIO, TRY TO MAKE SURE ALL OUR SPEAKERS ARE ON AND WORKING PROPERLY. WE HAVE A FULL AUDITORIUM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE THE FOLKS IN THE BACK CAN HEAR EVERYTHING WE SAY IF POSSIBLE. WE MAY WANT TO SPEAK UP A LITTLE LOUDER. WITH THAT, PAUL.

>> THAT SECTION IS DOWN, MAY WANT TO MOVE TO THIS SECTION.

CAN YOU HEAR NOW? >> YES.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY SCHEDULED MEETINGS.

TY DON'T THINK I HAD PHONE CALLS.

RECEIVED QUITE A FEW E-MAILS ON THIS SUBJECT.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM ZACH MILLER REPRESENTING ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER NEARBY. THAT WAS MY EX PARTE.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> NO SCHEDULED MEETINGS.

I RECEIVED A CALL FROM ZACH MILLER WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON.

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>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> I RECEIVED SEVERAL PHONE CALLS. I TOOK A PHONE CALL.

I DID A SITE VISIT WITH HIM. I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO MY PHONE

OR CALENDAR. >> THIS IS A UNIQUE REQUEST.

I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE RECEIVED A REQUEST OR APPEAL SUCH AS THIS ONE. THIS IS AN APPEAL TO A STAFF INTERPRETATION OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, LDC REGARDING SPECIAL CARE HOUSING LOCATED IN PROPERTY FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ZONED OPEN RURAL OR OR.

LDC DEFINES SPECIAL CARE HOUSING TO INCLUDE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES, GROUP HOMES AND FOSTER HOMES.

SPECIAL CARE HOUSING IS ALLOWED AS OF RIGHT IN OR ZONING.

NO PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS IS REQUIRED TO LOCATE A SPECIAL CARE HOME IN OR ZONING. OTHER ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS, SPECIAL CARE HOUSING AVAILABLE AS A SPECIAL USE MUST BE VIEWED FOR COMPATIBILITY AND COMPLIANCE WITH ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS BY THE PZA AND PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.

APPELLATES ARGUE IN APPEAL APPLICATION ADDITIONAL SPECIAL USE CRITERIA REQUIRED FOR SPECIAL CARE HOUSING SHOULD APPLY EQUALLY TO BOTH SPECIAL CARE HOUSING PERMITTED AS OF RIGHT AND ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

ALSO IMPORTANT TO MENTION APPELLATE FILED CIRCUIT COURT ORGANIZATION [INAUDIBLE] KNOWN AS SILVER TREASURES.

CIRCUIT COURT CASE ONLY METHOD AVAILABILITY WHICH CLEARANCE SHEET DEVELOPMENT ORDER ON THE BASIS OF CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMP PLAN. COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL OR REVIEW PROCESS AVAILABLE TO PURVIEW, SORRY, TO PURSUE THAT ARGUMENT ON THE BASIS OF CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMP PLAN. APPEAL PROCESS TO CHALLENGE ADMINISTRATIVE INTERPRETATION LIMITED TO INTERPRETATIONS AT LDC. PUBLIC HEARING FORMAT ON YOUR DAIS. ZACH MILLER REPRESENTS NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER AND TERRELL R. LINE REPRESENTED LLC FOR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WITH THAT WE CAN BEGIN HEARING PROCESS.

ANY WITNESSES WE CAN SWEAR THOSE WITNESSES IN NOW.

>> NO WITNESSES? >> JUST BE A LEGAL ARGUMENT FROM

THE THREE ATTORNEYS INVOLVED. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> THERE WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL.

>> THREE WITNESSES BE SWORN. >> IF THOSE WITNESSES CAN COME

FORWARD. >> CHRISTINE WILL SWEAR YOU IN AS WITNESSES. ANY OTHER WITNESSES ITEM 2 NEED

TO BE SWORN IN? >> THEY DO NOT NEED UNLESS THERE

IS A REQUEST. >> GO AHEAD.

>> GOOD MORNING, WELCOME IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, REPEAT AFTER ME. I STATE YOUR NAME, SWEAR AND AFFIRM, THAT I WILL TELL THE TRUTH TODAY BEFORE THE BOARD AT THIS HEARING. THANK YOU.

>> READY TO HEAR FROM MR. SANDERS?

>> YES. MR. SANDERS IS FIRST.

AND WE HAVE HIM SCHEDULED FOR 10 MINUTES.

GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> CARL SANDERS, 1102, THANK YOU FOR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH

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I AM GOING TO DO MY BEST TO STAY WITHIN 10 MINUTES.

I COULD TALK FOR HOURS ABOUT THIS.

NONE OF US WANT TO SEE THAT. CONCISE BUT THOROUGH, THAT I MY OBJECTIVE. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO PUT THIS IN CONTEXT. CONTEXT IS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

LET'S LOOK WHERE MY CLIENTS LIVE.

ROB AND JENNIFER ARE ONE OF 50 HOMERS.

PLATTED IN 1982 SORT OF AN INDICTMENT IN THE ROUGH, ENCLAVE OFF OF A CITY ROAD. A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED AROUND IT. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL THIS AREA ALL OR ALL REZ A LAND USE MAINTAINED OR CHARACTER THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. MR. AND MRS. LAPOLI LIVE ON FARM CREEK ROAD COMPRISED OF FARM CREEK ROAD AND SILER ROAD.

ONLY WAY IN AND OUT IS OFF OF -- THE PARCELS ARE OR ZONING AND REZ AN INCLUDING MR. MILLER'S CLIENT THEIR PARCEL HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THERE ABUTS THE SUBDIVISION CERTIFICATE LOT ON THE RIGHT. FIRST ON THE LEFT IS WHERE THIS PROPOSED ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY WANTS TO BE DEVELOPED AND GENESIS OF THIS APPEAL. HOW DID WE GET HERE AND WHY ARE WE APPEALING INTERPRETATION? BACK IN JULY OF '21, MR. LAPOLI CALLED ME, FUTURE FRIEND REFERRED HIM TO ME, CAN YOU LOOK AT THIS? DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT.

I SAID SURE. I LOOKED AT IT.

NO IT IS NOT RIGHT. RIGHT WAS WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD PUT ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY TWO BUILDINGS, ONE OF WHICH IS TWO STORY, TOTAL 33,000 SQUARE FEET, 43 BEDS MIDDLE OF ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, OR.

WE ACQUIRED WITH STAFF ABOUT INTERPRETATION.

THERE WASN'T INTERPRETATION DURING PRECONFERENCE.

THE REPORTED THEN PUBLISHED REPORT IN YOUR PACKET FOR THE PREAPP HAD A STRIKE THROUGH. INITIAL PLANNER ON YOUR STAFF DID IT CORRECTLY. THEY SAID IT IS TOO DENSE.

INCOMPATIBLE. LAND USE AMENDMENT AND REZONING.

CAPPED AT ONE UNIT AN ACRE IN OR.

SUBSEQUENT TO THAT SOMEBODY STRUCK THAT, OR ALLOWED BY RIGHT SPECIAL USE HOUSING FACILITIES. DON'T NEED DISCRETIONARY APPROVALS. SO WHAT DID WE DO? FIRST THING WE DID BEFORE THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED BY PRESENT OWNERS GILMORE LLC. CLOSING SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST OF LAST SUMMER. WE SENT AN E-MAIL, I DID TO THEIR AGENT TO EXPRESSLY PUT THEM ON NOTICE MY CLIENTS HAD AN ISSUE WITH THIS. IN PARTICULAR MY CLIENTS WERE OF THE OPINION ANY DEVELOPMENT ORDER ISSUED WITH THIS TYPE OF COMMERCIAL FACILITY WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.

[INAUDIBLE] WE GOT A REPLY. I KNOW IT WAS RECEIVED.

REPLY SIMPLY THANK YOU, NOTED. COUPLE WEEKS GO PASSED THEY CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY. IN MY LINE OF WORK, THAT IS CALLED ASSUMING THE RISK. YOU DON'T CLOSE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY WHEN A LAWYER FOR NEIGHBORING PROPERTY SAYS IF YOU GO FORWARD AND CLOSE, YOU ARE LOOKING AT A LAWSUIT.

THEY DID. THEN WE WAITED.

WE THOUGHT THEY'LL REACH OUT TO US, NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING.

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IF IT IS BY RIGHT. NO OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD BEFORE THIS BODY OR PZA. WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR POINT OF ENTRY. OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE FOLKS EXPRESS THEIR DISAGREEMENT WITH THE INTERPRETATION TO THIS BOARD NO. 1, NO. 2 WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS TO NIP THIS NUT BUD IF YOU WILL. TO INSURE NO ONE HAD TO EXPEND ANYMORE MONEY OR TIME. LET'S GET INTERPRETATION.

IF INTERPRETATION IS WHAT I THINK IT IS, I THINK THIS BOARD WILL AGREE IT IS. NO CLEARANCE SHEETS ISSUED.

NO DEVELOPMENT PLANS FILED. INCONSISTENT WITH A COMP PLAN YOU ARE DONE. I WAS TRYING TO AVOID A LAWSUIT.

WE FILED THE APPEAL IN NOVEMBER OF '21.

THE APPLICANT, EXCUSE ME, ASSISTED LIVING OPERATOR FILED FOR PLANS ABOUT A MONTH LATER. I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF.

BETWEEN NOVEMBER AND MARCH OF '22.

WE DID NOT GET INTERPRETATION UNTIL THE END OF MARCH OF '22.

GOT IT MARCH '22. INSTEAD OF FLAGGING THIS APPLICATION TO PUT EVERYONE ON NOTICE, WE NEED TO HOLD OFF ON THIS UNTIL WE RESOLVE THIS INTERPRETATION ISSUE IT IS A LEGAL ISSUE. IT IS GOING TO CREATE PROBLEMS. WHAT DID STAFF DO? THEY PROCESSED THE APPLICATION AND ISSUED THE PERMIT. UNDER STATE LAW IF YOU WANT TO CHALLENGE THAT YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO FILE CONSISTENCY CHALLENGE UNDER 163. WE DID.

DIDN'T SERVE THE COUNTY. WE DIDN'T WANT TO SUE THE COUNTY. WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO SPEND MONEY. WE WANT TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE HOW WI BELIEVE THE INTERPRETATION IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN YOU'LL AGREE THE IMPORT OF THIS DECISION WHILE CHRISTINE IS CORRECT, WE ARE NOT HERE TO DEBATE A DEVELOPMENT ORDER. NOT AT ALL.

THAT IS NOT FOR THIS QUORUM. YOUR DECISION HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS GOES FORWARD.

IF YOU AGREE WITH US, THIS IS INCONSISTENT WITH YOUR COMP PLAN, THEN THE CLEARANCE SHEET IS VOID.

YOU CAN'T ISSUE DEVELOPMENT ORDER INCONSISTENT WITH A COMP PLAN. THAT BEING SAID, LET ME TALK ABOUT THE LEGAL ISSUES. I DID WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT BACKGROUND. SPECIAL CARE HOUSING FACILITIES, IT IS A UNIQUE TERM TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

YOU HAVE SPECIAL CARE HOUSING FACILITIES WHICH THIS PARTICULAR SECTION IS ARTICLE 2 DEALS WITH SPECIAL USES.

DEFINED AS FOLLOWS: HOUSING THAT PROVIDES FAMILY LIVING ENVIRONMENT. MY FAMILY, MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY NOWHERE NEAR 48 INDIVIDUALS. HOUSING THAT PROVIDES FAMILY LIVING ENVIRONMENT, LIMITED CARE AND SUPERVISION TO MEET PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL AND SOCIAL NEEDS ONE OR MORE INDIVIDUALS.

GROUP HOMES, CON GRE GAT HOMES. AND FOSTER HOMES.

I WANT TO REPEAT THAT. GROUP HOMES, CONGREGATE CARE HOMES, FOSTER HOMES, ASSISTED LIVING FACILE CITIES.

WHAT IS THE ONE COMMON DENOMINATOR IN ALL THOSE EXAMPLES? ACCEPT FOR ONE, IT IS THE WORD HOME. FACILITIES IS SOMETHING MORE THAN A HOME. SO THIS -- ARTICLE 2 PROVIDES SPECIAL CARE HOUSING FACILES -- FACILITIES AND SIMILAR USES WHICH EXCEED DEFINITION OF COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOME AND CITE STATE STATUTE. THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT HERE. SIX OR FEWER RESIDENTS, MAYBE PERMITTED TO SPECIAL USE DEFINED IN THE ZONE DISTRICT CHARGE

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FIRST CONDITION BEING CONVERSION RATIO.

CHAIRMAN, MAY I HAVE A COUPLE MORE MINUTES.

>> MR. SANDERS. >> I'LL WIND UP IN 30 SECONDS.

>> YES. >> HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

>> AGAIN MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT IS REFERENCED TO STATE STATUTE.

DEFINED TERM UNDER STATE LAW. IT CAN MEAN FACILITY WITH ONE BED OR 200 BEDS. THIS PARTICULAR REFERENCE TO WHAT IS CALLED COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOME, FOSTER HOME, GROUP HOME. [INAUDIBLE]

>> WE HAVE AN ORDER TO FOLLOW. ZACH MILLER NEXT?

>> YES, SIR. >> WE'LL GET TO YA.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD MY THREE MINUTES TO KARL SANDERS.

>> WE ARE READY TO GO. ZACH.

>> GOOD MORNING, ZACH MILLER. I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF REPRESENTING THE OWNERS POINTED OUT TO MR. SANDERS.

THIS IS THE CHART IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SPECIFIES SPECIAL CARE HOUSING. TOOK OUT ALL THE OTHER USES.

WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS IT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN OR.

IT IS ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE IN RSC 1, 2, 3, RMH AND RMHS.

ALL SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS.

IT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT. THOSE ARE MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS. ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN MULTIFAMILY ALSO IN OR. WHICH IS THE LEAST INTENSE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT. I ALSO PUT UP THERE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR OR. YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE ACRE LOT.

LOT HAS TO BE 100 FEET. MAXIMUM LOT COVERS 20%.

IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. 30,000 SQUARE FEET PLUS IF YOU HAVE ONE ACRE. MAXIMUM HEIGHT I CUT OUT ASTERISKS. IN OR YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY UNITS AS YOU WANT REGARDLESS OF THE COMP PLAN DESIGNATION AND DENSITY COUNTED ONLY BY KITCHEN.

YOU HAVE 100 UNITS, 48, 64 ONE KITCHEN AND ONE ACRE.

YOU CAN GO UP TO 20% LOT COVERAGE IN OR ZONING.

NOW KARL BROUGHT UP A POINT OF THE DEFINITION IN 419 STATE STATUTE. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

STATE STATUTE SAYS COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOMES TERM REFERENCED FOR SPECIAL CARE HOMES IN YOUR CODE SIX OR LESS ALLOWED IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT.

IDEA BEHIND FOSTER CARE HOMES, ASSISTED HOMES, YOU WANTED TO HOMES.ATE THESE INTO SINGLE CAR- YOU DON'T WANT TO ISOLATE.

HAS TO BE MINIMUM DISTRICT. WHEN YOU GET ABOVE THAT.

WHEN YOU GO 6-14, CONSIDERED MULTIFAMILY USE.

WHEN YOU GO ABOVE 14 CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL USE.

WHICH JUST MAKES SENSE. IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN 14 UNITS IN A BUILDING AND OFFERING A SERVICE, CARE, MONITORING AND THIS IS IN YOUR CODE PROVIDE PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL AND SOCIAL NEEDS THAT IS A SERVICE. FOR MORE THAN 14 PEOPLE, THAT IS A COMMERCIAL USE. AREAS DESIGNATED SINGLE FAMILY RS 1, 2, 3 CODE PUTTING A CAP. CALCULATION IS 2.5 BEDS EQUALS

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HERE IS AN EXAMPLE. LET'S SAY YOU OWN 10 ACRES, RESIDENTIAL A. FOR THIS EXAMPLE UP UP LANDZ, RS 1, 2, 3, YOU CAN HAVE A FACILITY UP TO 25 BEDS YOU HAVE 10 ACRES 2.5 TIMES 1. IN OR, LESS INTENSE ZONING DISTRICT TO CAP FOR STAFF INTERPRETATION YOU CAN DO AS MANY AS YOU FIT AS LONG AS YOU ONLY HAVE, IN THIS CASE YOU COULD HAVE 10 KITCHENS, YOU HAVE 10 ACRES.

THAT IS THE ISSUE. [INAUDIBLE] AGAIN I TALKED ABOUT THE ZONING RESTRICTIONS, NO FLORIDA AREA RATIO MAXIMUM APPLIED TO MOST COMMERCIAL USES. FLORIDA AREA RATIO CALCULATES ENTIRE FLOOR DEPENDING ON HOW HIGH.

HERE IS WHERE THE EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE STAFF DONE GETS OUT OF WHACK. IN RESIDENTIAL A BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION, YOU COULD DO A BED AND BREAKFAST BUT YOU ARE LIMITED TO 10 UNITS. YOU COULD DO ADULT CARE FACILITY BY SPECIAL USE. YOU ARE LIMITED TO FIVE PATIENTS. IN OR, 48 UNITS.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. WHAT WE ARE ARGUING TO YOU TODAY, WHEN YOU GET ABOVE 14 UNITS THIS IS A COMMERCIAL USE.

CORRECT INTERPRETATION PER STATE STATUTE PER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMP PLAN. LESS THAN 6 OR ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

YOU HAVE LESS THAN SIX YOU WANT TO INTEGRATE INTO ADDITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. PURSUANT TO 8.11.1 OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN YOU HAVE TO GOAT A PUD.

COMES BEFORE BOARD AND PZA AND MAKE A DECISION WHETHER IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

MIGHT BE AREAS HAVING 14 ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES IS APPROPRIATE. AN AREA SURROUNDED BY ALL PROPERTY ONE ACRE OR HIGHER NOT CONSISTENT.

THIS IS SORT OF THE BROADER SCOPE OF WHAT THIS INTERPRETATION HAS ON THE ENTIRE COUNTY THERE IS A LOT OF PROPERTY ZONED OR IN THIS COUNTY.

NOT ALL REZ A NOT ALL REZ B. ALLOWS IN AGRICULTURAL.

MINIMUM LOT SIZE AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE 20 ACRES.

THERE IS PROPERTY ZONED OR. IF YOU HAVE 20 ACRES AND DO 50 ASSISTED LIVING UNITS ONLY ONE KITCHEN, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IF YOU HAVE 40 ACRES ALLOWED. CONSERVATION ALLOWS ONE RESIDENTIAL USE PER 100 ACRES. THINK ABOUT THIS OUTPOST, THAT IS 100 ACRES, YOU COULD DO ONE RESIDENTS ONE KITCHEN WOULD BE ALLOWED. ALL WE ARE ASKING INTERPRETATION IN THE FINDINGS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT IS THAT YOU FIND APPEAL CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FIND ABOVE 14 UNITS IS COMMERCIAL USE.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? >> QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD? FROM THE BOARD. THANK YOU.

NEXT. >> GOOD MORNING.

TERRELL R. LINE. I REPRESENT GILMORE L.L.C WHO HAS APPROVAL TO BUILD ADULT LIVING FACILITY 5007.

WE OPPOSE APPEAL BROUGHT BY LAPOLI OF MISS BISHOP'S INTERPRETATION WE'LL PRESENT THE TESTIMONY OF MY CLIENTS AND WES

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HARD TO SEE. 2.03.01 SPECIAL CARE HOUSING LISTS ALLOWABLE IN OPEN RURAL AND SPECIAL USE IN OTHER CATEGORIES. IT IS CLEAR AS DAY THAT YOUR CODE SAYS WHAT IT SAYS AND MISS BISHOP CORRECTLY CONSTRUED IT.

I HAVE BEEN A LAND USE LAWYER OVER 40 YEARS AND AGREE WITH MISS BISHOP. NOT OPINION THAT MATTERS.

IF YOU GO ALONG WITH HER ANALYSIS AND SUPPORT HER, SOME GOOD THINGS WILL COME FROM THAT. YOU WILL HAVE APPROVED EVERY OTHER ALF THAT HAS BEEN BUILT LIKE THIS WITH THIS INTERPRETATION OF DENSITY IS RELATED TO THE SIZE OF THE NUMBER OF KITCHENS. YOU WON'T TURN INTO NON CONFORMING USES. YOU DON'T WANT, IF YOU MADE THESE OTHER ALF'S NON CONFORMING USES HARD TIME GETTING REFINANCED ETC. IF YOU FOLLOW MISS BISHOP'S INTERPRETATIONS OUR GROWING OLDER POPULATION WILL HAVE MORE HOUSING AVAILABLE FOR THEM WHICH IS A GOOD THING TO PROVIDE FOR THESE USES.

THIS WAS ALLOWINGABLE USE AND GOT A BUILDING PERMIT APPROVED AND INVESTED MONEY TO BUY THE PROPERTY WON'T BE LOOSING PROPERTY RIGHTS. WOULD BE UNFAIR TO PULL THE RUG OUT OF GILMORE L.L.C. AFTER LAYING OUT THE RUG IN THE FIRST PLACE AND INVITED THEM TO BUILD ALF.

THEY ARE GOING TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY WANT TO DO THAT.

THAT BEING SAID IF YOU GO ALONG WITH LAPOLI'S ARGUMENT ALF IS THE SIZE OF ALF BASED ON HOW MANY KITCHENS IT HAS.

IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, WE REQUEST YOU MAKE THAT DECISION PROSPECTIVELY ONLY. DO NOT CHANGE CODE AND APPLY IT BACKWARDS TO THE EXISTING ALS OR MY CLIENT THAT OBTAINED -- AND APPLIED FOR MULTIMILLION DOLLAR LOAN TO BUILD IT.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO GO ALONG WITH WHAT MR. SANDERS IS REPRESENTING AND DISREGARD MISS BISHOP'S INTERPRETATION YOU NEED TO AMEND YOUR CODE AND APPLY IT IN THE FUTURE NOT IN THE PAST.

LET ME CALL OUR FIRST WITNESS, MARGEORY LABILE PLEASE AND AFTER

THAT WES WESTMORELAND. >> STATE YOUR NAME.

>> MARGEORY? >> ARE YOU PRINCIPLE IN GILMORE?

>> YES. >> OBTAINED PERMISSION FOR

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RIGHTS? >> YES.

IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY?

>> I AM MARGEORY LABILE. WE OWN GILMORE L.L.C. BOTH LISTENED PHYSICAL THERAPISTS AND PRACTICING OUR PROFESSION FOR OVER THREE DECADES HERE IN UNITED STATES.

WE ARE BOTH IMMIGRANTS FROM THE PHILIPPINES.

BOTH VERY HARDWORKING HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS.

THROUGHOUT OUR YEARS OF PRACTICE WE DEVELOPED DEEP DESIRE AND PASSION TO TAKE CARE OF OUR SENIORS, THIS IS WHAT LED US TO BUILD ASSISTED LIVING FACILE CITY.

WE HAVE BEEN IN MUCH PRIOR AND PLANNING FOR THIS GOAL.

WE HAVE LOOKED FOR A PLACE FOR ASSISTED LIVING THAT WILL BE QUIET AND RELAXING, PLACE FOR THE ELDERLY.

THIS PROPERTY LOCATED 5057 SILO ROAD IN ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA BECAME AVAILABLE, NOT ONLY AN OPPORTUNITY, IT WAS AN ANSWERED PRAYER FOR US. AFTER MUCH INQUIRY WITH A REALTOR AND BUILDER WHILE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS KIND OF UNDERTAKING, IT WAS DETERMINED THIS PROPERTY IN DEED SUIT ABLE PLACE FOR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY WE DREAMED OF BUILDING.

ALF ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY LIKE HOME.

RESIDENTS ABLE TO AGE IN PLACE WITH ASSISTANCE AVAILABLE IF NEEDED. THIS IS AN OPTION VERY DIFFERENT FROM NURSING HOME. BOTH REALTOR AND BUILDER SAID THIS WAS IN DEED APPROPRIATE PARCEL FOR THIS PURPOSE PENDING APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY. TO CITE SIMILAR ALF, NO. 1 WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE] ST. AUGUSTINE STARTED IN 2012.

THEN WE HAVE GOLDEN HOUSE SENIOR LIVING COUNTY ROAD 210 ST.

AUGUSTINE STARTED IN 2015. WE HAVE SILVER TREASURE STARTED IN 2020. WE HAVE LEGACY ASCENSION STARTED IN 2011. GARDENS SPECIAL CARE CENTER IN PALM VALLEY STARTED IN 2015. STEFENS MEMORIAL HOMES ST.

AUGUSTINE STARTED 2002. THESE ARE SOME OF THE REPUTABLE -- MAY 24, 2021. AGENTS FOR FREDRICK APPLIED TO THE COUNTY TO DEVELOP AN ALF COMPOSED OF TWO BUILDINGS TO BE DEVELOPED ON THE PROPERTY. ON JULY 14TH, 2021 AUTHORIZED DEVELOPMENT OF ALF. ON JULY 29, 2020, MY HUSBAND AND I IN RELIANCE TO THE COUNTY APPROVAL PURCHASED LAND 429,000.

NOVEMBER 8TH. FILED APPLICATION DETERMINATION OF THE CONCLUSION THAT THE ALF WAS ALLOWED BY RIGHT TO BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY. ON MARCH 21, 2022 MRS. BISHOP ISSUED RESPONSE ALF ALLOWED BY RIGHT --

>> EXCUSE ME, MA'AM, DO YOU WANT TO WIND THIS UP HER OR YOU, I GAVE THE SAME THING TO KARL SANDERS.

LET'S WIND THIS UP. SPECIAL LANDSCAPING ARE

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SO THEREFORE UM, WE ASK YOU DENY LAPOLI'S APPEAL AND SIDE WITH YOUR STAFF. WE HAVE HIGH REGARD FOR THE

COUNTY'S AUTHORITY. >> MA'AM.

SORRY THAT IS 30 SECONDS. >> OKAY AFTER THAT CHRISTINE,

PUBLIC COMMENT? >> YES, SIR?

>> AT THIS TIME WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT TWO PODIUMS IF YOU WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.

YES, SIR, PLEASE, NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> ROB LAPOLI BEFORE I GET STARTED I WOULD LIKE TO ASK EVERYONE HERE TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE ALF PLEASE STAND UP.

THIS IS A SMALL SAMPLE OF PEOPLE THAT OPPOSE THIS.

THIS IS BAD TIMING FOR A MEETING.

PEOPLE AT WORK AND ON VACATIONS, WE HAVE OVER 50 PEOPLE HERE, COULD BE OVER 100. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH HOMEOWNER'S RIGHTS. EVERYTHING SHE SAID I AGREE WITH. HOWEVER.

WHAT ABOUT OUR RIGHTS. WE BOUGHT INTO THIS COMMUNITY KNOWING IT WAS RURAL. THERE ARE PEACOCKS, HORSES, CON KEYS. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR COMMERCIAL COMPLEX. 33,000 SQUARE FEET.

>> PUT IT ON THE CIRCLE. THAT IS WHAT IT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. THAT IS WHAT THIS PROPOSAL WILL LOOK LIKE LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER LOTS AROUND IT.

IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE. ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT BEFORE THIS WAS APPROVED, WE REACHED OUT TO THE PERSONAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR SILVER TREASURES BEFORE THIS WAS SOLD.

THEY TOLD US THEY KNEW THIS WAS NOT APPROPRIATE PLACE.

THEY ALSO KNEW WE WOULD HAVE TO FILE A SUIT TO OVERTURN THIS.

THEY TOLD ME THAT POINT BLANK. I ALSO ATTENDED PREAPPLICATION MEETING. I WANT TO BE CLEAR HERE.

THEY TOLD US IT IS NOT VERY COMMON FOR PUBLIC TO SIT IN ON PREAPPLICATION MEETING. DURING THAT MEETING, WESTMORELAND TOLD TWICE TO HOLD PUBLIC FORUM TO GET PUBLIC INPUT THEY SENSED THIS WOULD BE CHALLENGED.

WES, YOU AGREED TO IT. I LISTENED TO THE RECORDING.

THEY SNUBBED THEIR NOSE AT THE COMMUNITY KNOWING THIS WOULD BE PUT THROUGH. I VISITED THE OTHER SILVER TREASURED. THEY ARE OFF MAIN ROADS.

NOT SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT. WOULD YOU WANT A 33,000 SQUARE FOOT COMPLEX IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR FARM? COMPLETELY ABSURD. IT IS NOT RIGHT.

WHAT ABOUT THE 50 HOMEOWNERS THAT SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BUYING IN THIS COMMUNITY? IT IS INSANE.

DON'T LOOK AT ONE PERSON'S RIGHT WHO KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO BE CHALLENGED. THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE HERE. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT MISS ARNOLD, IT IS A RURAL COMMUNITY. DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH.

EVERYTHING ELSE BUILDING UP AROUND US.

THIS IS A REALLY UNIQUE PROPERTY.

SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. [APPLAUSE]

>> FOLKS, I AM GOING TO ASK THAT YOU HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE.

IT IS NOT TO STIFLE YOU. IF YOU WANT TO SAYING? ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET IN LINE AND MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE WANT TO HEAR EVERYBODY. YES, SIR, NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> MY NAME IS WES WESTMORELAND. I AM THE CONTRACTOR FOR GILL LAND AND HIS WIFE. WE MENTIONED WHY DON'T YOU BUY THE PROPERTY. NOBODY CAME BACK.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN EASY TASK. WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH IS A CLASSIC WE DON'T WANT IT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF YOU GO TO SILVER TREASURES, HIGHWAY 13, 100 HILLCREST

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WHEN I BUILT THAT FACILITY IN 2011 NEIGHBORS CALLING ME DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND IT WAS GOING TO DISRUPT EVERYTHING WITH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AS SOON AS WE WERE FINISHED, I HAD NEIGHBORS CALLING ME TELLING ME THAT WAS THE BEST THING THAT COULD HAVE GONE IN. IT IS THE MOST QUIET DEVELOPMENT THEY HAVE EVER SEEN AND NOW OVER SEVEN FAMILIES THAT HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS IN SILVER TREASURES NEXT DOOR AND LOVE IT.

SAD TO SAY, 80% OF THESE PEOPLE COMPLAINING IN THE NEAR FUTURE WILL BE IN A NURSING HOME OR ASSISTED LIVING.

AFTER 39 YEARS IN THIS WHEELCHAIR.

>> PLEASE. >> IT IS THE TYPICAL WE DON'T WANT TO SEE WHAT OUR FUTURE IS GOING TO BE LIKE.

I HAVE SEEN LIKE SINCE THE DAY I WAS IN REHAB.

I BUILT 13 ASSISTED LIVEINGS IN THE LAST 12 YEARS.

IT IS -- I'LL SKIP ON IT. THE BUILDING SITS 200 FEET BACK FROM THE ROAD. WE SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HEAVILY LANDSCAPED.

THIS IS A POND IN FRONT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS A TREE FARM. BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY ARE THE LADY'S RELATIVES THAT SOLD THE PROPERTY.

THEY ARE ALL FOR THIS. LAST ASSISTED LIVING IN PHLEGMING ISLAND, WE HAD TO GET A ZONING CHANGE.

WE HAD THE NEIGHBORS COME OUT IN SUPPORT THEY WANTED A QUIET NEIGHBOR. TRAFFIC FOR ASSISTED LIVEINGS VERY MINIMAL. DON'T HAVE THE LOUD MUSIC.

THEY WON'T KNOW IT IS THERE ONCE IT IS IN PLACE.

AGAIN. THAT ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

>> THANK YOU, SIR FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

>> YES, SIR, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> HELLO, MICHAEL FAIR. 5210 SILO ROAD.

I LIVED IN A GUILE IN JACKSONVILLE WHEN I RETIRED FROM THE NAVY 1994 AND MOVED TO MY CURRENT ADDRESS.

COMMON KNOWLEDGE NO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALLOWED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. MY WIFE AND I SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IMPROVING KNOWING EVEN IN THE FUTURE WE WOULD ENJOY WITH NO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. WITH THE ADDITION OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN OUR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, THIS WOULD CHANGE EVERYTHING. VERY LIKELY ANOTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WANT TO LOCATE AND FURTHER DEGRADE OUR COMMUNITY.

I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT BE DENIED APPROVAL TO LOCATE IN A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR

COMMENTS APPRECIATE THAT. >> CHRIS RAISENER, I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD MY THREE MINUTES TO ROB LAPOLI.

>> I AM NOT SURE HOW THIS WORKS. >> LEGAL OFFICE PROVIDED GUIDELINES TO FOLLOW TO KEEP THIS HEARING IN AN ORDER SET OUT. ONE OF THE GUIDELINES IS THERE IS NO YIELDING OF TIME. SORRY.

THAT IS WHAT WE SET THE RULES. >> YES, SIR.

THAT IS YOUR STANDING POLICY FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> APOLOGIZE. JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW MY LEGAL ADVISE SO I DON'T END UP IN TROUBLE.

>> YES, MA'AM. PLEASE.

>> GOOD MORNING. EVERYBODY HOW ARE YOU.

MY NAME IS MARTY DELYLE. 5190 FARM CREEK ROAD.

WE LOVE OUR PIECE OF COUNTRY. NO TRAFFIC, NO STREET LIGHTS VERY CALMING. WE DON'T WANT TO TRAUMATIZE ANIMALS. WE ARE A RESERVE OF LAST RESORT.

THEY LIVE THEIR LIFE OUT WITH US.

IF THERE IS ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION AND LOUD NOISES IF YOU HAVE A FACILITY WITH OLDER SICK PEOPLE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE AMBULANCES, FIRE TRUCK. WE DO NOT WANT TO IMPOSE ON OUR ANIMALS IN THE SANCTITY OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THESE ANIMALS LOOK FORWARD -- IF THERE IS EXTRA SOMETHING

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WE DON'T WANT TO TRICKLE DOWN TO OUR NEIGHBORS SAY WE USED TO LOVE YOU. NOW ALL THE ANIMALS ARE BEING BAD. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO PUT AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY WITH OLDER PEOPLE THAT CAN BE SCARED.

WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TRANQUIL LITTLE PLACE IT IS WITH ALL SERENDPITY AND NEIGHBORS ARE ALL HAPPY.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM FOR THE COMMENTS.

>> YES, MA'AM, PLEASE APPROACH. >> HI.

>> HI, I AM VALERIE HAIL. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE TWO PROPERTIES. FIRST WE BOUGHT OVER SIX ACRE LOT. BEEN THERE OVER 20 YEARS.

>> 5235 SILO ROAD. TWO YEARS AGO WE BOUGHT NEIGHBORING SIX ACRE LOT. 4240 SILO ROAD.

HAPPY TO PAY TAXES, BOUGHT IT TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HERD OF DEER INCIDENTALLY EVERY ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS WE CAN TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT THE SAME HERD. WE KNOW ALL THE ANIMALS AND THE TIME THEY COME THROUGH. WE VALUE THAT ASPECT OF A RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD. DEVELOPED LOT AND ANOTHER OVER SIX ACRE LOT ON MILL CREEK WE GET FOUR CALLS A WEEK FROM REAL ESTATE AGENTS AND WE SAY HARD NO.

HARD NO. OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COMMUNITY HARD TO SEE ON THE MAP, NOT ONLY IS IT MAINLY FIVE ACRE LOTS, HORSES, DONKEYS, PEACOCKS, DUCKS.

NO SIDEWALKS. THERE IS NOT EVEN A YELLOW LINE.

IT IS A TWO-CAR COUNTRY ROAD. IT WAS ALREADY MENTIONED IT IS ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT. ONCE WE HAVE A FULL ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, ANYTHING COMING IN, WHETHER IT IS LARGE TRUCKS DELIVERING FOOD SUPPLYS, CLEANING SUPPLIES WHETHER IT IS THE GARBAGE TRUCKS THAT COME IN TO EMPTY LARGE DUMPSTERS, THEY ARE GOING TO GO AROUND THE CIRCLE.

THERE IS NO PLACE FOR ALL OF US WHO WALK DOGS AND HAVE SMALL CHILDREN ON BIKES FOLLOWING MOM AND DAD AROUND THE CIRCLE WHICH INCLUDES SHARP CURVES AT EACH FOUR NON CORNERS.

THERE IS NO PLACE TO GET TO SAFETY OR BIKE RIDERS.

ESPECIALLY WITH BIGGER COMMERCIAL OR AMBULANCES OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE TO GET AROUND THAT CIRCLE.

THESE PEOPLE OPERATING THESE MOTORCYCLES ARE NOT RESIDENTS AWARE OF THE SMALL CHILDREN, DOG WALKING BIKING FACTOR HOW YOU WATCH THOSE BLIND CURVES. THERE IS SO MUCH AT STAKE.

NO. 1 WE MOVED IN INTERPRETATION MANY OF US HAVE BEEN THERE 20 YEARS, 15 YEARS. WE ARE NOT IN AND OUT.

THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO STAY. HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE A MORE COMMERCIAL UM, SITUATION? IT IS NOT BUILT FOR THAT.

IT IS NOT DEVELOPED FOR THAT. I DO TAKE OFFENSE TO WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE OLD. I HAVE A MOM ABOUT TO GO INTO ASSISTED LIVING. IT IS CIRCUMSTANTIAL.

THAT IS ALL. ANY WAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO PROTECT WHAT WE LOVE AND ISN'T DEVELOPED TO BE COMMERCIAL.

IT IS -- THERE IS A DEBATE WHAT THE ZONING SHOULD BE.

VERY VALID DEBATE MORE PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE CAN SPEAK TO THE DETAILS. IT IS TRUE.

SO. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

I APPRECIATE Y'ALL. YES, MA'AM, PLEASE.

>> PUT IT ON THE CIRCLE. PIECE OF PAPER THERE ARE THERE.

>> GOOD MORNING. COMMISSIONERS.

GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS MY CONCERNS REGARDING

PROPOSED COMMERCIAL -- >> NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> 5058 SILO ROAD. I LIVE IN THAT LITTLE HOUSE.

ON A TWO-ACRE LOT. YOU CAN SEE THE SIZE OF THE COMMERCIAL FACILITY IN RELATE TO THE LOT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOME. I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY CONCERNS REGARDING PROPOSED COMMERCIAL FACILITY IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. I CANNOT HELP BUT SCOFF AT THE IDEA OWNERS OF THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL FACILITY ADVERSELY EFFECTED PARTY AT THIS CASE. 5058 SILO ROAD WE MOVED TO LIVE

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HE CAN'T HANDLE LIVING IN A CLOSE QUARTERS IN AN HOA.

DELIBERATELY PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY KNOWING I COULD CARE FOR MY FATHER IN A QUIET RESIDENTIAL PLACE WHERE HE WOULD NOT DEAL WITH STRESSORS OF SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY. I DID MY HOMEWORK BEFORE I FUR PURCHASED THIS UNDER ARTICLE 2 COMMERCIAL FACILITY ESPECIAL USE UNDER REZ A. IT WILL NOT BE APPROVED WHERE IT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH ADJOINING SURROUNDING LAND AND ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES ALREADY EXISTS.

THIS COMMERCIAL FACILITY REQUIRES CITY WATER AND SEWER TO BE BROUGHT IN FROM PROBABLY ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE.

THEY ARE GOING TO TEAR UP BOTH SIDES OF OUR SMALL COUNTRY ROAD GOING INTO OUR CULVERTS AND EASEMENTS TO PUT IN COMMERCIALLY ACCEPTABLE ROAD TO BRING IN WATER AND SEWER TO ALL OF THESE HOMES RELY ON THEIR OWN WELLS TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR ANIMALS AND CROPS AND THINGS THEY DO IN THIS RURAL SETTING.

THIS COMMERCIAL FACILITY NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. IT IS NOT IN AN AREA ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES EXIST.

ALLOWING THIS FACILITY TO BE BUILT IS IRRESPONSIBLE AND SPEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO VOTING CONSTITUENTS.

MA'AM, MA'AM, WOULD YOU WHAT YOU TURN INTO OUR STAFF TO YOUR

LEFT. >> GOOD MORNING, KIRK DRAST.

5181 FARM CREEK ROAD IN THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS MORNING I COME TO EXPRESS FAMILY CONCERNS AND REQUEST YOU DENY THIS COMMERCIAL ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY DEVELOPMENT IN OUR RURAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

[INAUDIBLE] MY FAMILY AND I LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY 21 YEARS. WE SPENT A YEAR LOOKING IN DUVALL, ST. JOHN'S AND CLAY COUNTIES FOR A RURAL COMMUNITY IN WHICH TO LIVE. WE WERE SO FORTUNATE TO FIND THIS UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LARGE LOTS AND HOMES.

WE WERE GIVEN DEED RESTRICTIONS DISCUSSED ONLY ONE RESIDENT ALLOWED PER LOT. THERE WAS NO ALLOWANCE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS RURAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

CONSIDER OUR LIFE STYLE AND DO NOT ALLOW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO COME INTO THIS RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

APPRECIATE COMMENTS. >> MY NAME IS BRITNEY.

I LIVE AT 3280 -- I HAVE BEEN A VOLUNTEER FOR THIS IS MY 16TH YEAR. WILL BE DISRUPTIVE AND MAKE

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THERE IS NOT COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES GOING UP.

I KNOW FOR ONE, EVERYBODY THAT LIVES AROUND THERE HAS ANIMALS AND LOVES ANIMALS. THOSE ARE THE NOISES WE WANT TO HEAR. WE WANT TO HEAR BRAYING OF DONKEYS AND GOATS. IN THE CASE OF OUR LOOP WE HAVE LIONS AND WOLVES AND DEER THAT ROAM THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT IS GOING TO BE DISRUPTIVE FOR THE WILDLIFE AND PEOPLE THAT APPRECIATE THAT WILDLIFE. I TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF PEOPLE'S ANIMALS, HORSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I AM CARING FOR SOMEBODY'S WHO WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE TODAY CARING FOR THEIR DOGS. THEY TRAIN DOGS ON HER PROPERTY.

HER PROPERTY IS CLOSE TO WHERE THIS FACILITY IS GOING TO BE.

I FEEL LIKE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE GOING TO BE IN THIS ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY MAY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE NOISES WE ALL APPRECIATE. WHERE I USED LIVE IN ORANGE WORK BEFORE I MOVED TO ST. AUGUSTINE THERE WAS A HOME PROBABLY ABOUT A DOZEN PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE. THAT WAS A WELCOMED THING.

THAT IS WHAT I WOULD HAVE HAD IN MIND WITH THIS AESTHETICS AND NOT CLOSE TO 50 PEOPLE LIVING IN A COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THAT

LOOP THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTEDS APPRECIATE THAT. YES, MA'AM, WELCOME.

>> MY NAME IS HOLLY HORTON, 5010 SILO ROAD.

I WOULD LIKE TO READ A LETTER FROM MY MOM.

WE HAVE BEEN HERE OVER 15 YEARS. RESIDENTS OF THIS MILL CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TO BUY INTO IT.

WE DID SO BECAUSE IT OFFERS PEACE AND PRIVACY AWAY FROM HOMES CLOSELY PLACED TOGETHER IN COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS, SO MANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS CONTAIN.

LIFE STYLE PRESENTS ITSELF APPARENT ESTABLISHED FOR MANY YEARS AT FACE VALUE. EVIDENT AND SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

SEEING AND THINKING THIS PICTURE, THIS LIFE STYLE IS WHAT WE PURCHASED OUR PROPERTIES FOR. AT A GREAT EXPENSE.

THERE IS NO PLACE HERE FOR COMMERCIAL BUSINESS SUCH AS SILVER TREASURES ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.

IT IS A COMMERCIAL ENTITY. COMPLETELY OUT OF NASH WITH WHAT OUR COMMUNITY IS BUILT ON. WE HAVE INVESTED IN AND WANT TO LIVE HERE AND PUT DISTANCE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY AND PRIVATE SECTOR OF OUR DWELLINGS. OUR COMMUNITY WELL ESTABLISHED.

SILVER TREASURES WILL IMPACT NEGATIVELY.

IT WILL INTRODUCE COMMERCIAL ENTITY.

LIGHTS, TRAFFIC, AMBULANCE, NOISE AND I HAVE ANIMALS AND DON'T WANT THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS TRAFFIC.

BEAUTIFUL TREES AND PRIVACY. WE DO NOT WELCOME THEM OR THE NEGATIVE IMPACT. THEY ARE AN INVADER WHICH WILL INTRODUCE WORLDLY COMMERCIAL BUSINESS CONSISTENTS IN DESIRABLE COMMERCIAL NATURE. MANY ENVIRONMENTS SUITABLE FOR

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EFFECTING LIVES OF MANY ESTABLISHED RESIDENTS ON BEHALF OF NEW OWNER IMPOSING THEIR WILL ON THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD BECOMING RARE AND DISAPPEARING FAST. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. HI, ALMOST.

THERE WE ARE. >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS LORI WEB. 5225 SILO ROAD.

WE MOVED FROM JACKSONVILLE. THIRTY-SIX YEARS AGO DEFINITELY IN THE BOONENYS. WE ARE FORTUNATE TO LIVE IN A UNIQUE COMMUNITY FIVE ACRE TRACTS.

THESE ARE THE ANIMALS THAT ROAM FREELY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

MY CONCERN IF THIS PROPOSED COMMERCIAL FACILITY ALLOWED TO TAKE PLACE, OPEN THE DOOR FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT.

NO ISSUES WITH ALFS. MY IN LAWS AND SISTER-IN-LAW SUFFERED FROM ALZHEIMER'S AND DEMENTIA.

MY SISTER AND STEPMOTHER BOTH LIVED OUT THEIR FINAL YEARS.

COUNTY WILL ONLY ALLOW FACILITY IN 210, MAXIMUM OF 10 BEDS.

SHE HAS 3.25 ACRES. MY QUESTION TODAY HERE IS TWOFOLD. WHY IS CODE BEING INTERPRETED DIFFERENTLY FOR GILMORES? WHY COMMERCIAL FACILITY CHOSEN TO LOCATE IN RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY SINCE ALL OTHER FACILITIES IN HIGH TRAFFIC AND COMMERCIAL LOCATIONS? PICTURE SHOWS OTHER SILVER TREASURE FACILITIES IN DUVALL AND ST. JOHN'S COUNTIES. NONE WOULD BE ENHANCEMENT TO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. TEARING DOWN 100 YEAR OLD HOUSE REMOVING TREES, PAVING PARKING LOT AND BRIGHT LIGHTS ISN'T ENHANCEMENT. TWO BUILDINGS, TWO STORY CERTAINLY ISN'T AN ENHANCEMENT. ONLY THING IS TO STOP THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE GREENS ALF STATE ROAD 16 IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SEW -- IT IS A SHAME IT HAS GONE THIS FAR WITH NO INVOLVEMENT FROM COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

I HOPE YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO DENY THESE VOTE NO.

DRC MEETING I WAS IN SAID THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE WHAT WAS EXCHANGED, CONVERSATIONS EXCHANGED DURING THIS MEETING GUARANTEED APPROVAL FOR THE BUILDING GOING FORTH.

PLEASE VOTE NO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, SIR WELCOME. >> THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS CHRIS.

5058 SILO ROAD. I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE ADVERSELY -- THEY WERE INFORMED RESIDENTS DIDN'T LIKE IT.

WHEN THEY DECIDED TO PULL PERMITS BUILDER CONTACTED BY AN ATTORNEY LETTING THEM KNOW RESIDENTS DID NOT APPROVE OF THIS CONSTRUCTION. THEY CALL THEMSELVES ADVERSELY

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THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TEAR UP THE ROAD.

STOPPING PERMITS ON WELLS AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS PREFER TO BE ON.

THEY ARE NOT CONSIDERING THE FACT THEY WILL BE DISTURBING WILDLIFE. THIS FACILITY DOES NOT FIT THE COMMUNITY IT IS BUILT IN. HORSES, ANIMALS.

THE ADVERSELY EFFECTED PARTY. IT IS A SHAME THEY COULD COME UP HERE AND HAVE THE GULL TO SAY THAT WHEN THEY ARE COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND DIDN'T BOTHER TO TALK TO US.

[INAUDIBLE] THAT IS ALL THE TIME I HAVE.

THAT IS MY STATEMENT. I AM GOING TO CHANGE MY HAT FROM RESIDENT, PROTESTER TO VOTER NEXT.

>> THANK YOU. PLEASE WELCOME.

>> FORGIVE ME, MY VOICE IS TERRIBLE.

HONORED COMMISSIONERS AND ESTEEMED NEIGHBORS OF SILO ROAD, FARM CREEK. MY NAME IS CLIFF TIS.

5140 SILO ROAD. FORTY YEARS AGO MY 4-0 FOR THOSE THAT CAN'T HEAR, MY IN LAWS PURCHASED PROPERTY ON SILO ROAD.

THEY MOVED THERE FOR THE RURAL SETTING AND KEEP HORSING.

ALTHOUGH I AM EQUINE CHALLENGED WE DON'T HAVE HORSES, DEER IN THE YARD, EAGLES VISITING AND HAWKS AND OWLS OUT ON PATROL.

PROPOSED COMMERCIAL FACILITY DOES NOT FIT ESTHETIC PROVISIONING TRUCKS, SERVICE VEHICLES, ETC. ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT. THAT WILL CAUSE BOTTLENECKS.

I SAID IN SERVICE VEHICLES EMPTYING DUMPSTERS 6:00 A.M., SURE THE NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T WA TO HEAR THAT, BACK UP ALARMS AND INCREASED TRAFFIC. BEING A COMMERCIAL FACILITY, MOST IMPORTANTLY THIS IS MY LINE OF WORK, WILL REQUIRE A LIFE SAFETY SYSTEM, SPRINKLERS AND FIRE ALARM.

THOSE SYSTEMS WILL MALFUNCTION DUE TO WEATHER, VANDALISM, RESIDENTS HITTING THEM, SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN.

THE SPSPRINKLER SYSTEM, THEY MALFUNCTION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS DO NOT WANT TO HEAR FIRE ALARM GOING OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AS WILL HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, AT ANY TIME. THIS WILL REQUIRE A LIT PARKING LOT. THIS WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE INCREASING LIGHT POLLUTION IN THE AREA EFFECTING THE WILDLIFE.

NO PLACE IN OUR QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT WILL CAUSE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO OUR QUIET WAY OF LIFE, THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR, APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. YES, MA'AM.

WELCOME. >> JANENE PALPIS.

I MOVED TO SILO ROAD SIX YEARS AGO AND THERE BECAUSE OF THE

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PAID A LOT OF MONEY TO DEVELOP MY HOME.

I HAVE HORSES, GOATS, CHICKENS. IT IS A REALLY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE VISUALS PUT UP, THIS FACILITY DOES NOT FIT.

OTHER FACILITIES OFF OF MAIN ROAD EASILY TO ACCESS, EASY TO GET OUT TAKE A HARD LOOK AT SILO ROAD.

ONE ROAD IN. TURNING AROUND AT THE AREA WHERE THAT FACILITY WILL BE LOCATED, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW PERMITTING COULD HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID THAT LARGE OF A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE CONDUCIVE TO FITTING INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPER'S COMMENTS. I HAVE TO TELL YOU I WAS A LITTLE OFFENDED BY YOUR REMARKS, WE ARE HERE TO PROTECT WHAT THE OPEN RURAL IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE.

PROTECT OUR BROADER COMMUNITY. LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND US DO WE NEED IT? PROBABLY, INFRASTRUCTURE, PROBABLY, WE DON'T HAVE THE ROADS TO SUPPORT THIS.

I CAN HARDLY GET OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAVE A BRAND NEW SCHOOL. WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT GOING ALL UP AND DOWN PASETTY ROAD. YOU ADD THIS FACILITY JUST TRYING TO GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THAT ONE ROAD IN, AND I FEEL FOR THE FAMILY THAT LIVES ACROSS THE STREET.

HEAD LIGHTS. MY FATHER IS IN A NURSING HOME.

THERE ARE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT 24/7.

YOU HAVE SHIFT CHANGE. PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT.

IF THEY ARE GOING TO RUN A COMMERCIAL FACILITY U ASSISTED LIVING CARE THEY HAVE TO HAVE STAFF THERE 24/7 COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE ALL THE TIME. HEAD LIGHTS BEAMING RIGHT -- HIS HOUSE IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

TO ME WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS LARGE ONE ROAD IN, HOW DOES THAT GET APPROVED? I THINK PERMITTING FAILED OUR

COMMUNITY BY APPROVING THIS. >> THANK YOU MA'AM.

>> I AM CHARLES HUNT 5135 SILO ROAD.

YES, I HAVE BEEN HERE SEEING DIFFERENT PROJECTS GOING AROUND, 10,000, 1,000 HAPPENING, THIS, THIS IS TOO CLOSE TO HOME.

AS MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN EXPLAINING ABOUT THE ACCESS IN AND OUT, IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE, TRY TO GET IN AND OUT ON THAT ONE ROAD. MANY DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT ROAD IS. FACILITY CRAMMING PEOPLE INTO A LOT. WHAT IT IS, WE KNOW ALL OF THIS, BOTTOM LINE MONEY. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DEFEND OURS OURSELVES PUT -- BRING OUT THE PROPER PROCEDURES OR DO THE DEVELOPERS HAVE THE MONEY.

AS WE THE PEOPLE, IN THIS SMALL, SMALL TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT WE ARE IN, SILO ROAD AND MILL CREEK ESTATES, YES, THIS WILL HAVE ADVERSE EFFECT ON US. I DIDN'T JUST RETIRE AFTER 21 YEARS IN THE ARMY AND COME TO LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE I CAN GET ALL THE TRAFFIC AND CHAOS AND NOISE THAT I CAN HAVE AROUND ME.

WHEN WE FOUND THAT, THAT WAS A HOLE IN THE WALL UNTIL IT OPENS UP. BY ALL MEANS IF Y'ALL HAVE NEVER BEEN OUT THERE, COME OUT THERE. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT COME THAT HAVE THEIR KIDS COME OUT TO RIDE THEIR BIKES AND LOOK AND SEE

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I'LL SET UP A KOOL-AID STAND AND WALK AROUND SILO ROAD AND FARM CREEK ROAD SEE WHAT IT IS LIKE. THERE IS SOME PUSHING FACTOR, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN. TO THE OTHER GENTLEMAN THAT CAME UP, SUPPORTING THIS HOME HE BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE TREE FARM RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WOOD LINE.

LOOK IN YOUR RECORDS. WE CAME IN WITH STACY RECORDS THAT OWNER TRIED TO BREAK DOWN THAT PROPERTY.

WHAT THAT DOES IS BRINGS IN OTHERS --

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

YES, MA'AM. WELCOME.

[APPLAUSE] >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE] FOG 5010 SILO ROAD. EMPLOYED WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF VETERAN'S AFFAIRS NURSING HOME HERE IN ST.

AUGUSTINE NO OPPOSITION TO NURSING HOME OR ASSISTED LIVING.

I HAVE GREAT RESPECT. DOES NOT BELONG IN OUR COMMUNITY. SILO ROAD AND FARM CREEK ROAD BEAUTIFUL ROAD. MANY IN THE SURROUNDING AREA BUILT UP WITH NEW NABTS HAVE COME TO KNOW AND LOVE OUR STREETS. PEOPLE AND FAMILIES COME AND GO FOR WALKS, FAMILY BIKE RIDES. UNIQUE ANIMAL LIFE ENJOY BEAUTIFUL SCENERY. COMMERCIAL BUSINESS DOES NOT BELONG IN OUR COMMUNITY. COMMERCIAL BUSINESS WOULD BRING STREET LIGHTS, PARKING LOTS, AMBULANCES, SIRENS, ALARMS FROM SECURITY SYSTEMS. CITY WATER, TRAFFIC AND PORTRAY WE HAVE CITY ROADS VERSES COUNTY ROADS BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC.

THIS WILL CAUSE -- THIS WILL DISTURB TRANQUILITY ALL OF US HAVE COME TO KNOW AND LOVE. THIS WILL CAUSE SAFETY ISSUES FOR OUR FAMILIES AND CHILDREN TO ENJOY BIKE RIDES AND WALKS ON OUR STREETS I HAVE A SON LANDON, SEVEN YEARS OLD AND HAS AUTISM AND SEVERAL OTHER MEDICAL AILMENTS TO HAVE FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE DANGERS. HE HAS LEARNED TO LOVE THE BEAUTIFUL AREA WE HAVE CREATED AROUND HIM.

HE IS LEARNING TO RIDE HIS BIKE. I HONESTLY -- I HAVE DREAMED MY SON WOULD RIDE HIS BIKE TO GRANDMA'S HOUSE COUPLE HOUSES DOWN. IF THIS IS THERE WE WILL PASS RIGHT BY IT. I WOULD HAVE TO FEEL SAFE.

AT 13-14 YEARS OLD, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO INDEPENDENTLY DO THAT.

HE WOULD BE ABLE TO IF THIS WAS NOT THERE.

IF IT COMES THEN IT IS KIND OF NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT IS SCARY FOR ME TO SEE THAT BUT -- IT WILL EFFECT THE SAFETY AND SECURITY AND EVERYTHING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I AM ASKING THAT YOU PLEASE OPPOSE IT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

YES, SIR? WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JOHN PALLING.

5012 SILO ROAD. I APPRECIATE YOU HERING ME OUT.

I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE I THINK YOU DETECT AN ACCENT NOT FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I HAVE FOR 42 YEARS.

FOR 30 OF THOSE I HAVE BEEN A VERY INVOLVED AND PROUD AMERICAN CITIZEN. I THINK THIS ISSUE TODAY COMES DOWN TO THE VERY ESSENCE OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.

[APPLAUSE] I GENERALLY FEEL WITH ALL THE SINCERE COMMENTS YOU HAVE HEARD. I THINK YOU AS I COME TO THE

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I RESPECTFULLY ACKNOWLEDGE HOW MUCH WORK AND TIME YOU ALL GIVE TO THIS TOPIC. I THINK I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ACCEPT THE REALLY IT IS TIME TO RE-EVALUATE WHETHER YOU WOULD SUPPORTING A DECISION TURNING RESIDENTIAL AREA IN A SHORT SPACE OF YEARS INTO A COMMERCIAL ONE.

I THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

[APPLAUSE] >> GOOD MORNING, JOHNNY COUNTS.

94 -- SILO ROAD. SILO ROAD ABOUT THE LAST LANDMARK THEY HAVE THERE ON NINE MILE ROAD WHAT THEY USED TO CALL IT. ALSO SURROUNDED BY ALL KINDS OF CHANGES. WE USED TO HAVE HORTON'S CORNER ON THE CORNER. WE HAVE A MARKER THERE ONLY THING THAT SHOWS. VERY FEW PEOPLE PROBABLY THAT REMEMBER THAT. SOME OF US THAT GREW UP HERE.

SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER HOW MUCH WE ARE LOSING OUR CULTURE AND OUR RURAL AREAS. IT IS FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN HERE TODAY, ONLY EVIDENCE I HAVE SEEN FACTS THAT DEFINITELY I DO NOT BELIEVE BELONGS WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY.

THIS IS MORE OF A COMMERCIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE LITTLE CLOSER TO WHERE MORE OF IT IS COMMERCIAL COMPATIBLE.

USED TO BE A PLACE THEY HAD THE HORSES.

SLOWLY PUSHED OUT AND COMING SOUTH.

WE ARE LOOSING OUR HERITAGE, OUR COUNTY.

AND YOU HAVE THE POWER, YOU HAVE THAT AUTHORITY WE HAVE GIVEN Y'ALL TO MAKE THESE KINDS OF DECISIONS.

I HOPE AS JEFFERSN SAYS THAT POWER, THAT WISDOM, LESS WE USE IT, MORE WE HAVE. I WOULD BE AGAINST THIS 100%.

[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU SIR.

YES, SIR?

>> MY NAME IS RICHARD PIERCE 5172 FARM CREEK ROAD.

I AM A LITTLE BIT AMAZED, LET ME START OFF BY TELLING YOU MY PROFESSION. I AM A DEVELOPER AND A BUILDER.

I HAVE BEEN FOR 65 YEARS. YEAH, I AM AS OLD AS HE SAID THAT BUILDER SAID I WAS GOING TO BE IN HIS FACILITY.

I DON'T THINK SO. NOT YET.

I AM NOT READY. I AM STILL RUN AGO BUSINESS.

I AM SHOCKED THAT THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WHEN THEY WERE TOLD IT WAS A COMMERCIAL -- IT WAS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL IN RESIDENTIAL. THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A FACILITY THIS LARGE IN ORDER TORE MAKE IT PROFITABLE.

THEY CAN'T PUT SEVEN PEOPLE IN THERE.

OR 10 PEOPLE IN THERE AND MAKE THIS PROFITABLE.

IT WON'T WORK. I KNOW THAT.

I HAVE DONE TOO MUCH COMMERCIAL WORK AND TOO MUCH HIGH RISE WORK AND RESIDENTIAL WORK. I KNOW ALL OF THESE FACTS AND FIGURES. THEY CANNOT DO IT.

WHY IN THE WORLD THEY EVER THOUGHT THEY COULD GO AHEAD WITH THIS I DON'T UNDERSTAND. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

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EFFORT FOR WHAT YOU DO. >> THANK YOU, SIR FOR YOUR COMMENTS. YES, MA'AM?

>> I AM JENNIFER LAPOLI 51124 FARM CREEK ROAD.

I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK TODAY. I TOO WAS OFFENDED BY THE CONTRACT TOMORROW -- CONTRACTOR. WE HAVE ALL SPENT OUR HARD EARNED MONEY BUYING OUR SLICE OF HEAVEN.

THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE A PIECE OF HEAVEN.

I HAVE SPENT MY CHILDHOOD RIDING HORSES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY GROWING UP ON STATE ROAD 16 ON A FARM EDGED OUT BY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. MY HORSE HAS BEEN THERE OVER 20 YEARS. I NOW HAVE A LITTLE PIECE OF HEAVEN WHERE I CAN BRING HIM TO, TO LIVE OUT HIS REMAINING LIFE.

WE ARE NOT AGAINST THE AGING. WE ARE NOT AGAINST PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS. WE ARE NOT AGAINST ANYBODY WITH A DISABILITY. WHAT WE ARE AGAINST IS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT IS WHY WE ARE ALL HERE TODAY.

WE DID NOT WANT THIS. WE HAVE TRIED TO AVOID THIS.

WE DID MAKE AN OFFER ON THAT PROPERTY.

MY HUSBAND AND I DID. FOR THAT GENERAL -- GENTLEMAN TO SAY THAT -- WE ARE A COMMUNITY AND STAND TOGETHER.

I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AGAINST THIS.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> ALL RIGHT. YES, SIR.

WELCOME. >> MY NAME IS WARRENER 6142 CHERRY -- I DO NOT LIVE IN MILL CREEK ROAD.

I AM GOOD FRIENDS WITH ROB AND JENNIFER LAPOLI.

TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS THEY MADE AN OFFER.

PREVIOUS OWNER SAID THESE NEW OWNERS REFUSE TO LET THEM OUT OF THE CONTRACT. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. I DON'T LIVE THERE.

I DRIVE THERE AND LAUGH WHEN I MAKE THE TURN AT SILO ROAD.

IT IS A SMALL TWO-WAY STREET. THIS IS NOT COMMERCIAL IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. MY BRAIN IS HAVING TROUBLE COMPREHENDING WHY AM I HERE TODAY? WHAT IS GOING ON IN ST. JONS COUNTY? THAT IS HOW I FEEL. MY WIFE AND I LOOKING AT PROPERTIES INSIDE MILL CREEK ESTATES.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO BUY A PROPERTY UNTIL THIS IS OVER.

THIS IS BEYOND CRAZY. IMAGINE YOU LIVE IN YOUR HOUSE ESPECIALLY THE LADY THAT LIVES ACROSS THE STREET IT HAS TAKEN ME, I MIGHT NOT WANT TO MOVE TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I MIGHT NOT WANT TO BUY A PROPERTY IF THIS IS HOW IT WORKS. HOW DID I GET HERE THAT IS ALL I

HAVE TO SAY. >> [APPLAUSE]

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> DOUG BURNETT ST. AUGUSTINE I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR EITHER SIDE. WANT TO POINT OUT TWO THINGS.

YOUR CODE DOESN'T HAVE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

I NOTICED IN YOUR RECOMMENDED ACTION, THREE FINDINGS.

EITHER WAY MAY WANT TO LOOK AT STAFF LOOKING AT THIS.

NO MATTER THE OUTCOME, SITE PLAN APPROVAL ISN'T SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK TO YOU ON THESE APPLICATIONS.

DOES LOOK LIKE TWO LANES IN AND OUT.

COULD BE A ONE WAY ALL THE WAY AROUND LOOP ROAD TO BRING THE SITE MORE NARROW AND BUFFERING TO THE NORTH AND SIDE.

IF THERE IS A ROOM TO COMPROMISE IF THAT WERE THE BOARD'S DECISION. ONE OTHER COMMENT AND THIS IS MY LAST ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MOTION TO APPROVE APPEAL, TWO FINDINGS OF FACT APPROVING APPEAL MEANS DENIAL TO MAKE IT

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WITH THAT NO FURTHER COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU.

YES, MA'AM? >> GOOD MORNING.

SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE.

SOUNDS LIKE GENTLEMAN, WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE SAYING, DON'T SET A PRECEDENCE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE ASKING YOU NOT TO DO.

YOU KNOW ONCE YOU APPROVE COMMERCIAL, THEN THE NEXT DEVELOPER COMES ALONG, WELL, YOU GAVE IT TO THEM.

IT IS NOT FAIR YOU DON'T GIVE IT TO US.

AND WITH YOUR STAFF, I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU COMING UP HERE EVERY TUESDAY, THERE HAS BEEN STUFF GOING WRONG IN YOUR STAFF.

NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE OH, THE MAIN THING IS IN YOUR PERMITTING DEPARTMENT. IF YOU BELONG TO A POPULAR LAW FIRM, YOU CAN GET ANYTHING YOU WANT OUT OF YOUR STAFF, GENTLEMAN, LOOK CLOSELY. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU.

>> YES, SIR. >> CHUCK LEBANOUSKI.

SILO ROAD IS A BIG PIECE OF HEAVEN.

>> AMEN. >> YOU HAVE TURKEYS, WILD PEACOCKS, NORMALLY YOU DON'T SEE WILD PEACOCKS.

YOU HAVE A TON OF DEER IN THERE. JUST DOESN'T STOP THERE.

TON OF WILDLIFE IN THAT AREA. TO PUT A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

TRAFFIC THAT IS GOING TO BE GOING INTO THAT ROAD, THAT IS JUST THE PEOPLE GOING IN TO WORK AT THE FACILITY, TRACTOR TRAILER DRIVING UP TO THAT PHIL FACILITY.

COMPANIES LIKE CISCO DELIVERING ALL THE STUFF, MATERIALS AND EVERYTHING THAT ARE NEEDED FOR EVERYDAY OPERATION.

TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD CANNOT HANDLE IT.

WE CANNOT APPROVE ALLOWING THIS TO CONTINUE ON.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. WE ARE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THAT MOVES US TO REBUTTAL BY ALL THREE PARTIES?

>> YES, SIR. >> ON MY SHEET START WITH ZACH MILLER, IS THAT CORRECT? MR. MILLER, GO AHEAD, THREE

MINUTES. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

I PUT UP THE SHEET AGAIN. I WANT TO CIRCLE BACK.

THIS APPEAL IS NOT AN ABOUT WHETHER SPECIAL CARE HOUSING ALLOWED IN OR. CLEARLY IS.

IT IS HOW MUCH SPECIAL CARE HOUSING IS ALLOWED BEFORE COMMERCIAL. IF YOU LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT PERMITS APPROVED FOR 48 ASSISTED LIVING FOR SILVER TREASURES.

ONE SPACE FOR EVERY THREE BEDS. TRULY RESIDENTIAL ONE KITCHEN EQUALLED ONE DWELLING UNIT THERE WOULD BE ONLY TWO PARKING SPACES NEEDED. IF YOU LOOK AT IMPACT FEES ASSESSED, ASSESSED SAME AS NURSING HOME.

THAT IS A COMMERCIAL IMPACT FEE ASSESSMENT.

NO PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE REQUIRED FOR THIS, THAT IS APPLIES TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

IT IS CLICHE. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL USE.

WHEN YOU GET ABOVE 14 UNITS FOR STATE STATUTE BEFORE YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IT IS A COMMERCIAL USE.

MAKES NO SENSE IN RESIDENTIAL A YOU HAVE TO DO PUD TO DO A BED AND BREAKFAST 10 UNITS AND ADULT CARE FACILITY, YOU HAVE TO DO A FULL PUD. THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR SILVER TREASURES BROUGHT UP THIS SITE PLAN.

HE BROUGHT UP BENEFITS, 200 FOOT SET BACK.

BUFFERS, THIS IS THIS. THOSE ARE USUALLY ARGUMENTS MADE DURING A PUD. THAT IS HOW YOU KNOW THAT WAS THE APPROPRIATE PROCEDURE FOR THIS NUMBER OF UNITS IN OR Y RESIDENTIAL A. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MILLER. >> NEXT I BELIEVE WE HAVE MR. R.

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>> LET ME JUST TRY TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR.

FIRST OF ALL, TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN.

SITE PLAN SHOWS TWO BUILDINGS, THIS IS ONE STORY BUILDING.

THIS IS A TWO-STORY BUILDING. PARKING IS BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS. [INAUDIBLE] ARGUABLY ISN'T EVEN RELEVANT TO THIS BECAUSE THE APPEALED INTERPRETATION OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IT IS NOT A COMMERCIAL USE.

THIS IS -- >> SAY WHAT?

[LAUGHTER] >> SIR, SIR, SIT DOWN.

>> THIS IS MISS BISHOP'S LETTER, SHE CITING SECOND TO LAST PARAGRAPH SPECIAL CARE HOUSING DEFINED IN LDC PROVIDES FAMILY LIVING ENVIRONMENT AND MAY, GOES ON TO INCLUDE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES. BY YOUR OWN CODE AND INTERPRETATION BEFORE YOU, THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL USE.

[LAUGHTER] >> IT IS A SPECIAL CARE FACILITY ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN OR ZONING. FINALLY OTHER THING, CLEARANCE LETTERS THEY GOT APPROVED FOR BY STAFF, SITE PLANS APPROVED FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITY ARE NOT BEFORE YOU.

LAPOLI'S NEVER APPEALED CLEARANCE LETTERS WHICH THEY COULD HAVE DONE UNDER CODE. THEY WENT THIS ROUTE TO COME IN AND CHALLENGE THE DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OF WHAT THE DENSITY IS FOR ALF. INTERESTING, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECORD, YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE TWO INTERPRETATIONS, FIRST INTERPRETATION WAS MADE BY MISS BISHOP DIRECTLY REGARDING MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY. AND I GUESS STAFF HAD CONCERNS THAT MIGHT BE INTERFERING WITH A VESTED RIGHT THEY HAVE TO A DEVELOPMENT ORDER. THEY CAME BACK AND CHANGED IT TO INTERPRETATION OF WHETHER THE LAPOLI'S COULD BUILD ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY ON THEIR PROPERTY.

THAT IS THE INTERPRETATION BEFORE YOU.

IT IS NOT YOU KNOW, CAN WE BUILD ONE.

THAT IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT ALL MORNING.

IT IS CLEARLY INTENDED TO PREVENT MY CLIENT FROM ENJOYING VESTED RIGHT GETTING DEVELOPMENT ORDER FROM THE COUNTY.

IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THEM.

WE URGE YOU TO UPHOLD MISS BISHOP'S INTERPRETATION AND REJECT THE APPEAL. THANK YOU.

>> WE HAVE LIVED HERE 50 YEARS. >> MA'AM, MA'AM.

I AM GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO STOP.

I AM GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO STOP.

>> THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND TIME TODAY.

WE'LL WRAP IT NOW AND GO TO QUESTIONS.

ZACH TOLD MY THUNDER. LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, QUACKS LIKE A DUCK, IT IS A DUCK. HERE IS WHAT WAS ON THEIR SITE PLAN. DOES THAT LOOK LIKE STATISTICS ASSOCIATED WITH SINGLE FAMILY PLAN? IT IS A COMMERCIAL PLAN STAFF REQUIRES THEM TO SUBMIT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS SIZE OF A FACILITY.

IT IS ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. THAT IS AN UMBRELLA -- AS I SAID EARLIER YOUR DEFINITION: SPECIAL CARE HOUSING, PROVIDES A FAMILY LIVING ENVIRONMENT. FORTY-EIGHT BEDS IS NOT A FAMILY LIVING ENVIRONMENT. FORTY-EIGHT BEDS IS A HOTEL.

HAMPTON INN CHARGES DAILY. THEY CHARGE MONTHLY.

THAT IS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. WHICH IS WHY MR. R. LINE IS

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OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN COURTS ADDRESS THIS.

HE SAID IT IS NOT FAIR TO PULL OUT THE RUG FROM ME.

THAT IS WHAT THE APPLICANT SAID IN PINE CREST LAKES IN CITY OF SLIDELL. CHALLENGED BY A GROUP OF RESIDENTS TOO INTENSE. DEVELOPER, WE ARE GOING TO ASSUME TO RISK. NOBODY IS GOING TO TELL US TO TEAR IT DOWN. COURT OF APPEALS SAID TEAR IT DOWN. THEY HAD UNITS SOLD.

COURT SAID YOU HAVE UNCLEAN HANDS YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT FAIRNESS, YOU ASSUME THE RISK. YOU KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU ASSUMED THE RISK.

AGAIN COMMERCIAL USE FROM YOUR STAFF REPORTS, IMPACT FEES ASSESSED IN ONE OR TWO METHODS, UNITS WITH INDIVIDUAL COOKING FACILITIES. UNITS WITH COMMON COOKING FACILITIES ASSESSED AS NURSING HOME.

UNDER YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

NURSING HOME IS A COMMERCIAL USE.

THIS IS A COMMERCIAL USE. SPECIAL CARE HOUSING UNDER YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. YOUR CODE DOESN'T NEED TO BE REWRITTEN. IT DOES ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN OR.

SPECIAL CARE HOUSING WHICH IS A COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOME ALLOWED. WHAT HAPPENS -- ONCE YOU GET

INTO 14 UNITS. >> THANK YOU MR. SANDERS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THAT TAKES US TO QUESTIONS WE MAY HAVE.

SO. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A BOARD DISCUSSION TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

THEN WE'LL CONSIDER A VOTE. LET ME CALL ON COMMISSIONER BLOCKER WHO WANTED TO ASK QUESTIONS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT MY FIRST QUESTION TO MR. R. LINE.

WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO MR. MILLER BROUGHT UP A POINT IN THE BEGINNING, THIS STAFF INTERP INTERPRETATION AS AN EXAMPLE APPLIED TO THE OUTPOST.

>> HONESTLY NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE OUTPOST.

>> OTHER PARCELS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT ARE OR.

IF THE BOARD GOES ALONG WITH YOUR DEVELOPMENT, WHAT IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE ON THESE OTHER PARCELS?

>> UNDER YOUR CODE IT IS AUTHORIZED BY RIGHT.

>> SO IT IS YOUR CONTENTION IF WE FOLLOW YOUR INTERPRETATION YOU CAN HAVE WHAT IS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS THAT YOUR

CONTENTION? >> I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. YOUR CODE DEFINES IT AS HOUSING.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT SIZE PARCEL.

IT HAS TO BE LARGE ENOUGH FOR THE PROJECTS.

THERE IS THOSE LIMITATIONS. IF YOU THINK YOU WANT TO RESTRICT ABILITY TO BUILD ALF YOUR REMEDY IS NOT TO TAKE AWAY MY CLIENT'S RIGHTS AND EFFECT ALL THE OTHER ALF'S, GO AMEND YOUR CODE, DO LEGISLATIVE CHANGES AND MAKE THAT CHANGE GOING FORWARD. DON'T APPLY IT TO MY CLIENTS.

>> YOU AGREE FINAL DECISION IS THIS BOARD'S CORRECT?

>> I BELIEVE WHAT IS BEFORE YOU APPEAL OF INTERPRETATION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BY MISS BI

BISHOP. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOUR CLIENT A QUESTION. I THINK IT IS STILL MORNING,

GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> I WANT TO ASK A VERY DIRECT QUESTION, PRIOR TO CLOSING WERE

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WERE YOU AWARE OF CONCERNS? >> EARLIER -- AS FAR AS WE KNOW.

>> SIR YOU CAN TAKE THE MASK DOWN.

>> AS FARAS WE KNOW, THERE WERE QUESTIONS, BUT WE WERE NEVER AWARE OF -- WHAT WAS GOING ON AFTER THAT.

WE RELIED TOO MUCH ON. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM CLEAR WE HEARD TODAY FROM A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS I BELIEVE LAPOLI'S SPECIFICALLY AND SEVERAL OTHERS, CONCERNS BROUGHT TO YOU AS PROPERTY OWNERS REGARDING THE COMMUNITY'S

CONCERNS ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT. >> WE REALIZED SO MUCH WITH OUR REALTOR AND THE AGENT TO APPLY FOR THE COUNTY BUT NEVER AWARE

ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE SAYING. >> SO THIS IS THE FIRST YOU ARE HEARING THESE CONCERNS TODAY? IS THAT WHAT YOUR CONTENTION IS?

>> EARLIER SOME, AFTER THAT NEVER HEARD ANYTHING.

>> OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> LET ME ASK A QUESTION WHILE Y'ALL THE PODIUM, PLEASE. I BELIEVE YOUR ATTORNEY INDICATED YOU APPLIED FOR IN THE PROCESS OF APPLYING FOR A COMMERCIAL LOAN? COMMERCIAL BUSINESS LOAN TO

CONSTRUCT THE FACILFACILITY. >> I CAN'T HEAR IF Y'ALL TALK, PLEASE, PLEASE, I WANT TO HEAR THE ANSWER.

>> THEY FILED -- THERE IS A PENDING WHERE IS THAT.

>> LET ME ASK IT THIS WAY, LOAN APPLICATION MAY HAVE FILED RESPONSE PENDING. YOU HAVEN'T CLOSED ON MULTIMILLION DOLLAR LOAN YET? EVERYTHING IS ALREADY PERMITS AND ALL THAT EVERYTHING IS READY AND SUPPOSED TO CLOSE.

WHEN THERE WAS -- >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> NO, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> THANK YOU, IF YOU COULD COME BACK TO THE PODIUM.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. >> YES, MA'AM?

>> MR. LAPOLI MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES HE TRIED TO PUT AN OFFER IN ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND UNWILLING TO SELL IT TO HIM.

>> WE WERE NOT AWARE OF THAT. IN FACT IT WAS IN THE MARKET FOR A WHILE. THEN WHEN WE LOOKED FOR THE PROPERTY THAT IT WAS LIKE IN THE MARKET AND THEN WE WERE KEEP LOOKING AND ALL THAT. IT WAS NOT, NOBODY IS BUYING IT.

IT WAS EXTENDED IN THE MARKET. WE FINALLY DECIDED THIS MIGHT BE THE PLACE. THEN IT TOOK US A WHILE FOR BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CHECK AND MAKE SURE IT IS APPROPRIATE WE CAN BUILD ONE. IN THE ATMOSPHERE WE ARE LOOKING FOR IT IS NOT, NURSING HOME THEY ARE PROJECTING A LOT OF PEOPLE.

IN REALITY WHEN YOU ARE IN ASSISTED LIVING, DEPENDS OF HOW YOU RUN IT BASED ON US. WE TREAT OUR ELDERLY LIKE WE

TREAT OUR OWN FAMILY. >> I AM NOT QUESTIONING IT, I AM ASKING IF MR. LAPOLI TRIED TO BUY THIS PROPERTY.

RIGHT BEFORE WE DECIDED TO RELIED TOO MUCH ON APPROVAL FOR PERMITTING. CLEARANCE LETTER APPROVED THAT IS WHEN WE START MOVING IN, CLOSING THE PROPERTY WITH FORMER

OWNER. >> MY SECOND QUESTION IS, THIS LOCATION, I WANT TO ASK I FIND IT ODD THIS IS THE LOCATION YOU CHOSE. WHY HERE? SEEMS INCONSISTENT WITH YOUR OTHER ASSISTED LIVEINGS YOU HAVE

BUILT IN TOWNS? >> THIS IS OUR FIRST.

IT IS LIKE A FRANCHISE, THEY WOULD GUIDE US.

>> WE WERE LOOKING FOR A PLACE WHAT SHE SAID EARLIER.

WE RELY ON OUR REALTOR, WITH OUR GUIDANCE, THEY WERE ABLE TO --

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THAT IS WHEN WE START MOVING IN. >> OKAY.

I JUST FOUND IT ODD ALL THE OTHER ONES SEEM TO HAVE

COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE. >> COMMISSIONER WALD WALD?

>> SORRY COUPLE OF FOLLOW UPS. WHO WAS YOUR REALTOR?

>> LINDA DANIELS. >> LINDA WHO, SORRY?

>> LINDA DANIELS. >> IS SHE HERE TODAY.

WOULD BE NICE TO ASK HER QUESTIONS.

I MIGHT NOT HAVE HEARD IT. WHEN YOU APPLIED FOR A LOAN AN LOAN PENDING COMMERCIAL LOAN OR RESIDENTIAL LOAN?

>> AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT WAS RESIDENTIAL LOAN.

>> DID YOU HAVE TO DO A BUSINESS PROPOSAL WHEN YOU APPLIED?

>> I AM NOT AWARE LET ME JUST -- CAN I JUST REFER TO HER?

>> I AM FINE -- IT WAS RESIDENTIAL LOAN, SIR.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

MAYBE THERE IS QUESTIONS FOR THE REALTOR SINCE THEY WERE SO RELY ED -- RELIED ON. WE NEED TO HAVE HER SWORN IN IF

POSSIBLE. >> DAVID, CAN SOMEONE SWEAR IN

THE WITNESS. >> I'LL DO THAT.

>> WOULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT AFTER ME.

I STATE YOUR NAME. >> I LINDA DANIELS.

>> SWEAR AND AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THIS HEARING.

>> OKAY. >> YES, MA'AM.

JUST COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. DID YOU HAVE OTHER OFFERS? LET ME CLARIFY. I AM NOT THE LISTING AGENT.

I REPRESENTED THE BUYER. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.

IT REALLY IS JUST HEARSAY PROPERTY HAD BEEN ON THE MARKET A WHILE. THAT COULD BE VALIDATED IF YOU WANTED THROUGH THE BOARD OF REALTORS, THEY TRACK THAT

INFORMATION. >> OKAY.

SO THERE WAS NO TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE ANY BACK UP OFFERS

EVER MENTIONED? >> I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY, NO.

>> OKAY. THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

>> IN ALL HONESTY, I WOULDN'T BE I AM ON THE BUYER'S SIDE.

>> YES, MA'AM. I THOUGHT YOU WERE --

>> I AM NOT THE LISTING AGENT. I WOULD NOT BE AWARE OF ANY OTHER OFFERS. UM, I CAN TELL YA, THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT BACK UP OFFERS. THAT I AM AWARE OF.

>> LRLT. THANK YOU.

>> UH HUH. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MA'AM, MA'AM?

>> SORRY. >> THAT IS FINE.

WERE YOU AWARE THERE WAS COMMUNITY OPPOSITION TO THIS?

>> I HAD HEARD SOME INPUT THERE WAS OPPOSITION.

>> DID YOU RELAY THAT TO YOUR CLIENTED?

>> IT WASN'T DIRECTLY COMMUNICATED TO ME.

IT WAS HEARSAY. >> WE HAVE A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION, YOU JUST HEAR THAT AS HEARSAY?

>> NONE OF THE COMMUNITY APPROACHED ME.

THEY WOULDN'T HAVE REASON TO KNOW ME SINCE I AM NOT THE

LISTING AGENT. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> I WANT TO GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT THE BACK UP OFFER. I DIDN'T MEAN A BACK UP OFFER WHEN IT WAS LISTED. MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN THE RESIDENTS THAT WANTED TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY, THAT IS

WHEN AN OFFER WAS MADE. >> I AM NOT AWARE OF THE OFFER.

>> I AM WONDERING IF YOUR CLIENTS OR THEIR LAWYER WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THAT. OR IF WE WANT TO BRING MR. LAPOLI BACK UP. I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE ALLOWED

TO DO THAT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IT IS AN EXACT WALL, WE ARE TRYING TO HEAR FACTUAL SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

WE HAVE SOME WHAT OF A DISPUTE FACTUALLY.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MR. LAPOLI. IT WAS UNSWORN TESTIMONY.

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>> THANK YOU. >> BRIEF RESPONSE IF POSSIBLE.

>> WHEN WE SPOKE TO ED TULLY REPRESENTED FOR SILVER TREASURES, WE PUT A FULL PRICE OFFER IN.

LISTING AGENT TOLD US POINT BLANK THAT THE BUYERS ARE NOT PULLING OUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TOO MUCH INVESTED.

WHY DON'T YOU SELL IT TO THEM. SHE SAID WE ARE NOT BUDGING.

I WORK FOR A VERY LARGE BANK. THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL LOAN POSSIBLE FOR THIS PROPERTY. I CAN TELL YOU THAT AS AN EXPERT WITNESS. THAT IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL LOAN.

100% COMMERCIAL. RESIDENTIAL FOUR UNITS OR LESS.

IF THEY ARE TELLING YOU THAT, THEY ARE BEING UNTRUTHFUL.

UNTRUTHFUL. AND I WANT TO POINT OUT, WE WERE AT PREAPPLICATION MEETING WES MORELAND THERE AND ED TULLY THERE, WE STATED OUR OPPOSITION. IF THEY ARE STATING THEY DIDN'T

KNOW SHAME ON THEM. >> SINCE WE HAVE A COURT

REPORTER HERE, SWEAR HER IN. >> MR. LAPOLI REPEAT AFTER ME.

>> I ROB LAPOLI TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY BEFORE THE BOARD OF

COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. LAPOLI. >> IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME. Y'ALL CAN SIT DOWN.

I THINK YOU CAN SIT DOWN. I THINK EVERYBODY IS DONE WITH THOSE QUESTIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND THE AUDIENCE.

I WANT TO START WITH THE ISSUE OF INCOMPATIBILITY.

FOR THOSE THAT WEREN'T HERE IN PREVIOUS BOARD MEETINGS LAST THREE OR FOUR MEETINGS. I MOVE TO DENY FOR THE REASON IT WAS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

ABOUT A MONTH OR MONTH AND A HALF AGO, I MOVED TO DENY STORAGE FACILITY INCOMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD TREATY OAKS. I FIND WHAT IS REALLY THE UNDERLYING SUBJECT OF TODAY'S DISCUSSION THE SILVER TREASURES, GILL MOORE, L.L.C I ALSO FIND IT INCOMPATIBLE WITH THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY. NOW, MY DILEMMA IS ONE COMMISSIONER. I AM NOT 100% HOW TO GET THE TOOTH PASTE BACK IN THE TUBE. PROBABLY COULD BE FOR A WHOLE OTHER MEETING ANOTHER DISCUSSION IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AGREE THEY MAY NOT. IT IS MY POSITION AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NO NEGATIVE REFLECTION ON THE STAFF, I HAVE WORKED WITH TERESA BISHOP LONG BEFORE I BECAME A COMMISSIONER AND HIGH REGARD FOR HER. BASED ON ADMINISTRATIVE INTERPRETATION THIS ISSUE NEVER CAME TO US FOR FULL CONSIDERATION. I AM SITTING HERE GIST AS I DID WITH MADISON APARTMENTS HEARING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.

I AM SITTING HERE HEARING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME.

MY POSITION IS ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY BEING PROPOSED THAT LED TO THIS APPEAL OF STAFF INTERPRETATION I FIND INCOMPATIBLE. THE STAFF RECOMMENDED MOTION IF WE ACCEPT APPEAL OR APPROVE THE APPEAL, I AM NOT EVEN SURE THAT GETS US ANYWHERE. I AM NOT SURE ADDRESSES WHAT HAPPENS AS A STAFF DECISION ALREADY MADE.

I AM NOT SURE WHERE THIS PROJECT IS IN THE APPROVAL PROCESS AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL. WHAT I DO KNOW, I CAN ONLY SPEAK REALLY WHAT IS ON MY MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO SEEK WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER IN MY MIND A FAIR AND REASONABLE COMPROMISE TO BOTH

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HOWEVER, LEGALLY WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT, CHRISTINE, I AM NOT SURE. ALSO THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE APPLICANT FOR THE SILVER TREASURES AND LOOK AT ANY REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS THEY HAVE MADE BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL OR INTERPRETATION THAT ANY KIND OF OUT OF POCKET EXPENSES, I RECOMMEND WE REIMBURSE.

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT REIMBURSING THEM FOR PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY. THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE LOAN THAT IS NOT CLOSED YET.

AS I UNDERSTAND FROM THE GILMORE L.L.C. THAT IS A PENDING APPLICATION. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR LOAN. IF THERE ARE OTHER OUT OF POCKET EXPENSES REASONABLE OUT OF POCKET EXPENSES, THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER HAS ENDURED OR LANDOWNER INCURRED HAVING HIRED A CONTRACTOR WES MORELAND, I CONSIDER REIMBURSING THEM.

IT IS MY POSITION THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY IS INCOMPATIBLE AS WERE THE OTHER TWO PROJECTS.

I CAN'T SIT HERE IN AND DENY THE FACT THAT THIS IS INCOMPATIBLE BASED ON MY PREVIOUS RECORD. WITH THAT SAID, I WILL EITHER WELCOME COMMISSIONER COMMENTS OR LEGAL ADVICE I AM STARTING WITH

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, APPRECIATE YOU TRYING TO THREAD THE NEEDLE ON THIS.

I THINK IT IS DIFFICULT, BASED ON THE EVIDENCE I HAVE HEARD TODAY, I BELIEVE THIS APPEAL IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMP PLAN THE APPEAL. MORE THAN 14 UNITS SHOULD ONLY BE IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING. THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS COMPATIBLE OR CONFORMS WITH OUR COMP PLAN. I THINK OUR COMP PLAN DESIGNED TO PROTECT RESIDENTIAL ZONING. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN. LET ME READ TO THE AUDIENCE AND BOARD, RULES WE HAVE TO FOLLOW ABOUT COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. QUASI-JUDICIAL STATUS TODAY, SHALL BE BASED ONLY UPON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE DEFINED TESTIMONY SPECIFIC RELIABLE AND FACT BASED COMPETENCE MAY INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED TO FACTUAL STATEMENTS LIMITED TO CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOOD, LOT SIZES, DENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT EXISTING BUILDINGS, HEIGHTS AND AREA.

I FEEL THAT IS WHAT WE HEARD TODAY.

I THINK WE HEARD COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE FROM THE RESIDENTS REGARDING DENSITY, CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I AM BASING MY OPINION ON THIS BASED ON WHAT I BELIEVE IS COMPETENT EVENED THAT IT IS DESIGNED TO PROTECT RESIDENTIAL ZONING. I DISAGREE WITH COUNCIL.

I DO NOT BELIEVE OUR COMP PLAN ALLOWS.

I BELIEVE THIS IS INCONSISTENT. OUR STAFF CAN WEIGH IN AND MAKE DECISIONS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I APPRECIATE YOUR VERY ARTICULATE EFFORT TO THREAD THE NEEDLE HERE.

WE DO HAVE DIFFERENT PARTIES HERE.

MY CONCERN IS, I BELIEVE BASED ON THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE CONCERNS RAISED. BU

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WE HEARD FROM MR. LAPOLI SWORN IN AS A WITNESS.

I FIND THAT TESTIMONY CREDIBLE. TO ME IT IS AN ISSUE OF BUYER BE WARNED. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THEY SHOWED UP TODAY. I THINK THESE CONCERNS WERE MADE BEFORE. I THINK THE BUYERS AGENTS WERE ON NOTICE. THAT IS MY OPINION.

THIS IS NOT A DISAGREEMENT. I DON'T BELIEVE THE COUNTY IS BUYER MADE ACCOUNTABLE. THE - I DON'T BELIEVE THIS PROJECT SATISFIES OUR COMP PLAN UNFORTUNATELY ON THE BUYERS UNDERSTOOD THESE CONCERNS WERE GOING ON.

THEY MAY NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD THE RAMIFICATIONS, I THINK THE AGENTS DID. THAT IS MY OPINION.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE. I AGREE WITH YOU COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND COMMISSIONER DEAN INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.

I HAVE SPENT TIME ON SILO ROAD. WHAT YOU HAVE IS VERY, VERY SPECIAL. I THINK THAT THIS ALF WOULD, DOESN'T FIT. DOESN'T FIT.

IT IS NOT WHAT YOU ARE OUT THERE FOR.

THERE ARE BETTER LOCATIONS FOR IT.

WITH THE DESIGN, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

ANY OF MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WISH TO SPEAK, IF NOT.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? >> ALL YOURS.

>> OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE APPEAL BASED ON TWO FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

TO APPROVE APPEAL. PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES 5-0. [APPLAUSE] COMING. WE ALWAYS WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE. THAT COMPLETES ITEM NO. 2, WORKING THROUGH THE AGENDA AT THE SPEED OF JELL-O.

NO. 3 IS WADE'S CREEK.

[Items 3 & 4 ]

>> OKAY. I WANT TO RECONVENE THE JULY 19TH COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING AND WE WILL START WITH ITEM NUMBER THREE. IS THIS QUASI? QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM. 3 AND 4 ARE TOGETHER.

WE HAVE THE PUD AS 3 AND 4. THAT'S DO QUASI JUDICIAL.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I MET ON THURSDAY MAY 26 WITH MR. BRIAN WESTER AND TALKED ABOUT THE SPOKE OF THE PROJECT.

THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS.

>> MR. WALDRON? >> MONDAY JUNE 26 AT 12:30.

I MET WITH MR. WESTER AND ROBERTS.

WE SPOKE ABOUT THE UNIQUENESS OF THE PUD, NO LOT LINES AND A LOT OF KIND OF UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING REQUESTED HERE.

THE SURROUNDING AREA AND STATE ROAD 16 AND 16 A.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN >> I ALSO MET ON JUNE 26TH WITH MR. BRAD WESTER AND SPOKE ABOUT THE PROPOSED PUD AND ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT MAY ARISE AND WE COVERED THAT IN SOME DETAIL.

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THAT'S MY DISCUSSION. >> I HAVE NO RECORD OF A

MEETING. >> OKAY.

COMMISSIONER. >> I HAVE NO RECORD OF A MEETING. I BELIEVE I MET WITH MR. WESTER ON MAY 26 TO DISCUSS THIS PROJECT AND I THINK IT WAS A

VERY UNIQUE PROJECT. >> ALL RIGHT.

MR. WESTER, WE HAVE THAT ALL DONE.

>> SORRY TO LEAVE YOU OUT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> BRAD WESTER. DRYER, MCAFEE.

JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, I'M THE AGENT FOR THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT PUD. SO I WILL DISCUSS THOSE BOTH TOGETHER AND I KNOW THERE'S VOTES ON EACH FOLLOWING THAT.

THIS IS A PROJECT KNOWN AS WADES CREEK.

IT'S A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND REZONING PUD.

YOU SEE THE LIST OF OUR TEAM RIGHT THERE WITH THE OWNERS, DEVELOPER IS DEBARTELO AND OTHERS HERE FOR ANY Q AND A NEEDED. THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT DEBARTELO DEVELOPMENT IS AN ESTABLISHED PRIVATE REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT COMPANY THAT FOCUSES ON SEVERAL ASET CLASSES AND DEVELOPED FOUR POINT SEVEN BILLION DOLLARS. THIS IS A SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND MAP FROM AI TO REZ C.

AND REQUESTING A COMPANION REZONING.

THE PROPOSAL IS TO ALLOW FOR 115 SINGLE-FAMILY FOR RENT, RENTAL COMMUNITY UP TO 6 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

IT'S A NEW TYPE OF COMMUNITY AND I WILL GO INTO MORE DETAIL.

THIS IS THE LOCATION YOU SEE HERE, TUCKED INTO THIS WHERE COUNTY ROAD 16 A AND STATE ROAD 16 SPLIT RIGHT THERE.

THE TIMELINE OF OUR PROJECT STARTED LAST YEAR.

SO WE BEGAN THE PREAPPLICATION MEETINGS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

DUE DILIGENCE CONVASSING AND WE SUBMITTED THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT PUD APPLICATION IN DECEMBER OF '21 AND THEN THROUGH THAT, WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE TRAFFIC CONCURRENCE APPLICATIONS, NORTHWEST SECTOR COMMUNITY PLANNING MEETING, WE HAD THAT, IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.

AND THEN ALSO FINALIZE OUR COMMENTS WITH THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE PUD. WE DID HAVE OUR PZA PUBLIC MEETING ON MAY FIFTH. IT WAS A 4-2 APPROVAL AND HERE WE ARE TODAY. JULY 19TH.

SOME OF THE PROJECT DETAILS. 115 UNITS, THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM PLANS WITH ATTACHED GARAGED.

SINGLE FAMILY RENTALS, NO SHORT TERM.

WILL HAVE UNIFIED MAINTENANCE AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT POINT.

MEANING THERE'S ONE ENTITY THAT MANAGES THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

ALL THE GROUNDS AND EVERYTHING. IT DOES HAVE ACCESS TO COUNTY ROAD 16 A. FAIRLY BLANK CANVAS OUT THERE.

IT'S AN OLD AGRICULTURAL DORMANT FIELD.

IT IS AN INFILLED PARCEL. I WILL EXPLAIN THAT.

IT'S TRANSITIONAL BETWEEN MORE INTENTIONAL RESIDENTIAL USES AND THE TRIP GENERATION IS 1140 DAILY AND 113 P.M. PEAK HOUR COMMISERATE WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED USES.

WE WILL HAVE A PROP SHARE WITH 23 HIGH SCHOOL PLACEMENTS.

WE ARE SEEKING SIX WAIVERS. IT'S PROXIMITY OF THE INGRESS AND EGRES. THIS IS COMMISERATE WITH A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME. COUNTY HAS MULTIPLE FAMILY VERTICAL BUT WE ARE UNBUNDLING THAT IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.

MULTIFAMILY UNBUNDLED AND NOW SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.

THERE'S NO REAL INDIVIDUAL LOT LINES.

THIS IS THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.

YOU CAN SEE OUR PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.

I WILL POINT TO IT. THAT'S THE 19 POINT 22 ACRE

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YOU SEE THE DIFFERENT ROADWAY SEGMENTS.

WE ARE SENSITIVE TO THE ROADWAY SEGMENTS ALONG COUNTY ROAD 16 A AND STATE ROAD 16 SPECIFICALLY IN THE AREA.

WE CAN GO INTO THE DISTRIBUTION AND SPLITS.

THE NEXT ONE IS DISCUSSING WE WILL BE ENHANCING THE WIDENING COUNTY ROAD 16 A ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE AT 100% OF DEVELOPER COST. THAT'S BEYOND ANY PROP SHARE GOING ON. WE DO HAVE STAFF APPROVAL WITH THE COUNTY OF OUR PROPORTIONATE SHARE 818 THOUSAND DOLLARS AND WILL MAY IMPACT FEES. THEY ARE MORE THAN OUR PROP SHARE. AT THE 2024 BUILD OUT PROJECTED ONLY TO ADD 27 A.M. AND 27 P.M. PEAK TRAILS BETWEEN SILVER LAKE AND INTERNATIONAL PARK WAY. THE MAJORITY OF TRAVEL NORTH ON SILVER LEAF. HERE'S AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF. YOU CAN SEE THE VACANT UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY THERE. IT'S A FAIRLY CLEAN CANVASS.

MAYBE ONE TREE ON THE PROPERTY AND YOU CAN SEE IN CONTEXT WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS. THE RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF 16 A AND SEASON IS THE BRIDAL RIDGE PUD.

THAT IS A REQUESTED FOR INTENSIFIED COMMERCIAL RECENTLY IN LAST SINCE MONTHS. IT WILL BE AN RV STORAGE AND RETAIL RELATED TO THE UHAUL BUSINESS.

WE ABUT THAT. WHAT I DID WAS PUT THE SITE PLAN ON THERE APPROVED WITH THE PUD. YOU SEE WE ABUT THAT.

THERE'S THE 19 POINT 22 ACRES AND THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS BETWEEN 2012 AND CURRENT DAY. YOU CAN SEE THAT THROUGH AERIALS. ALL OF THE LOT TAKE DOWNS.

THOSE ARE FAIRLY RECENT DEVELOPMENTS AND COMMISERATE WITH THE B DISTRICT IF YOU WILL. THIS IS OUR WETLANDS AND SOIL MAPS. NOT MUCH TO SUPPORT HERE.

WELL DRAINED SANDY SOILS COMMISERATE WITH PROP LAND MANAGED OVER THE YEARS. THERE WAS ONE WET PASTEUR AREA THAT IS A SLUMPY AREA NEXT TO THE POND THAT EXISTED FOR MANY, MANY DECADES. WE INTEND TO REPURPOSE THAT ENTIRE AREA AS THE STORMWATER POND FOR THE PROJECT.

AND IT HAS A NATURAL POP OFF TO THE CREEK THERE.

HERE IS THE FUTURE LAND USE FABRIC.

THIS WILL BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE COMP PLAN.

THIS IS AT THE CORNER AND YOU HAVE RURAL COMMERCIAL.

THAT WAS RECENTLY CHANGED TO COMMERCIAL FOR INTENSIFICATION FOR COMMERCIAL USES. OUR PROPERTY IS AGRICULTURAL AND THEN YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL B USES NEXT TO US.

COMMENCING OUT TO AGRICULTURAL AND PUBLIC LANDS.

YOU CAN SEE THE COMMERCIAL NOTE. COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET. COMMERCIAL ABUTTING US AND OUR PROPOSAL IS TO CHANGE TO RESIDENTIAL C.

AND HERE WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL C SUPER IMPOSED ON THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THIS WERE TO BE ADOPTED. YOU SEE THE COMMERCIAL NOTE AT 16 AND 16 A WITH A TRANSITION OF VARIOUS COMMERCIAL USES.

RESIDENTIAL C REQUESTS. OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY AND RESIDENTIAL B. THEN YOU'VE GOT AGRICULTURAL LAND AND PUBLIC LAND. IT'S A NATURAL PROGRESSION FROM A COMMERCIAL NODE AND THEN TRANSITIONING THROUGH DIFFERENT INTENSITIES. HERE'S A MAP OF THE ZONING.

YOU CAN A PLANNED UNIT ZONING. COMMISERATE WITH DEVELOPING MORE THAN 10 ACRES MUST DO BY A PUD IF YOU DO REZONING AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE PROLIFERATION OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT PUDS AND MASTER PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS. WE WOULD BE GOING FROM OR OPEN RURAL TO PUD. HERE'S A COLORED SITE PLAN.

THIS MIMICS OUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THIS IS A MUCH PRETTIER VERSION. YOU CAN SEAT CLUSTER HOUSING, THE POND REPURPOSED THAT'S EXISTING ON SITE TO STORMWATER POND. OUR TWO ACCESS POINTS.

ONE 15 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED UNITS.

ALL RENTALS. THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT CONNECTS EVERY HOUSE IN THE PROPERTY AND A LOT OF OPEN SPACE AND GREEN SPACE. YOU CAN SEE THE CENTRAL AMENITY AREA, WHICH HAS AN AMENITY GROUNDS AND CLUB HOUSE AND POOL ALONG THE LAKE. A VERY ATTRACTIVE COMMUNITY AND IT IS A SMALL DENSE CLUSTER FEEL AS FAR AS THE HOMES IN THE PROPERTY. IT'S REALLY BROKEN OUT INTO THIS NEXT SLIDE WHICH IS TWO DIFFERENT FORMS. YOU HAVE MORE OF A CONVENTIONAL DOUBLE LOADED WITH RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

YOU CAN SEE SIDEWALKS ON THE NEAR SIDE OF THE STREET HERE.

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WE DID NOT ASK FOR A WAIVER ON THAT.

THERE'S ADEQUATE BUFFERING. THIS IS A DEPICTION OF THE CLUB HOUSE. THIS IS WHERE THE AMENITY CENTER WILL BE ON THE LAKE WITH THE POOL.

YOU CAN SEE THE ARTIST RENDERINGS AND THE COASTAL FEEL THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE ARCHITECTURE.

HERE ARE THE FOUR DIFFERENT PLANS WE PROVIDE.

THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS AT FOUR DIFFERENT UNITS WE WILL PROVIDE.

WHEN YOU PULL INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WILL NOT FEEL LIKE A" RENTAL" COMMUNITY. IT'S JUST HIGHLY MANICURED.

VERY CLASS, QUALITY PRODUCT AND VERY NEEDED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY RIGHT NOW AS OPPOSED TO SEEKING A MORTGAGE WITH INCREASED HOUSE RATES AND THE LIKE. THIS OFFERS A NEW DIVERSE HOUSING TYPE FOR WORKERS AND FAMILIES.

COMPATIBILITY SUMMARY. THIS IS STRATEGICALLY SUITED PROJECT. IT'S COMPLEMENTARY TO THE LAND USE FABRIC AND THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.

IT IS AN OPTION FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR WORKERS AND FAMILIES THAT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD GETTING INTO A HOUSE THAT WOULD INCLUDE A MORTGAGE OR THEY'RE BUILDING A HOUSE AND NEED A PLACE TO STAY. IT'S NOT A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

MINIMUM OF ONE YEAR. THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ON THE PROPERTY. IT IS A CLUSTERED LAYOUT.

SIDEWALKS TO EVERY HOME AND ONE SINGLE MAINTENANCE ENTITY FOR CONTINUITY AESTHETICS AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

THESE ARE EXCITING THING THAT WE WERE EMBARKING ON.

DIFFERENT SUSTAINABLE FIRSTS. WE ARE EMBARKING ON THE RESEARCH FOR COMMITMENTS TO SOLAR ON THE ROOFS OF EVERY HOME.

IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN. IT WOULD BE THE FIRST 100% SOLAR COMMUNITY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT WOULD REDUCE UTILITY BILLS FOR RESIDENTS BE UPWARDS OF A TWO MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT OF SOLAR FOR THE COMMUNITY. THE NEXT THING IS, IT'S A VERY PET FRIENDLY COMMUNITY. DOGS, WE ALL LOVE DOGS.

THIS IS A SIMPLE TURN KEY BIOSLUTION TO MANAGE PET WASTE.

THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE, WHETHER CAUSING ISSUES FROM WHO DID IT TO THE ENVIRONMENT. THIS STANDARDIZED ELIMINATING DOG WASTE BY 90%. IT'S A PROVEN TRIED.

7000 COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE AND WOULD BE THE FIRST IN A SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY. THE SAME MANAGEMENT USED ON DEBARTELO PROPERTIES WOULD BE THE SAME.

WE HAVE ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY.

TWO FIRSTS. AGAIN THIS IS AN EXCERPT OF HOUSING COST OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS RISEN 27% ACCORDING TO REA REALTOR.COM.

THE TARGET MARKETS FOR THIS PUD AGAIN SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT.

VERY NEW CONCEPT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

OUR NEWLY FORMED HOUSEHOLDS AND FAMILIES PLANNING OR UNDER CONSTRUCT TO CONSTRUCT A HOME AS WELL AS ATTAINABLE HOUSING FOR FAMILIES THAT DESIRE A HOME AND LACK A DOWN PAYMENT OF SOME TYPE OR INCOME TO AFFORD ONE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR SPECIFICALLY.

THIS PUD PROVIDES SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING FOR FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS AND PROVIDES AN OWNERSHIP EXPERIENCE IN A RENTAL COMMUNITY AS COMPARED TO A TYPICAL MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT.

IN THE OF GOING VERTICAL, WE SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE PROPERTY FOR 115 UNITS AND IT'S ATTAINABLE HOUSING.

WE'RE EXCITED IF YOU DO RECALL IN THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOPS. WHAT CAME OUT WAS MORE AFFORDABLE AND VARIOUS HOUSING TYPES INSTEAD OF JUST SINGLE FAMILY. THIS HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED BY OTHER ZONING MATTERS. BUT THIS ONE IS REALLY EXCITING.

WE DID HAVE A NORTH WEST SECTOR COMMUNITY MEETING.

THAT WENT VERY, VERY WELL. TO DATE, WE HAVE NOT HAVE OPPOSITION ON THIS REQUEST. THAT'S A VERY POSITIVE THING.

IN THAT, WE HAVE A SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITY MEETING AND MOST OF THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT OTHER NEARBY LARGER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA NOT NECESSARILY OURS. COUNTY STAFF CAN BACK ME UP.

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NOW THEY KNOW THERE IS A DVELOPMENT OF LIKE AND SIMILAR CHARACTER, THAT WAS THE OVERWHELMING SENTIMENTS.

THERE MIGHT BE FOLKS HERE TODAY TO SPEAK OF COURSE, SO I DON'T WANT TO STEAL ANY THUNDER. NO PUN INTENDED.

BUT WE DID HAVE NO RECORD OF OPPOSITION ON THE PROPERTY.

I HAVE CALLED PEOPLE FROM THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE AND OTHER MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES TO THIS PROPERY AND OVER DIALOGUE AND CONVERSATION, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ISSUE WITH IT.

THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION IS, IS THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING? IT'S ATTAINABLE HOUSING AND PROVIDES A DIFFERENT OPTION FOR WORKERS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE'RE EXCITED AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS.

I HAVE MY EXPERTS HERE. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO TALK FAST. I WANTED TO BE VERY TIMELY.

>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.

WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS 3 AND FOUR.

PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> JOHN MCINERNY.

BLACK BERRY LANE. FIRST OF ALL, COMMISSIONER DEAN, I KNOW WE'RE WIN ON WIN-WIN. I'M PROPOSING A WIN-WIN HERE.

OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, I DO THINK DENIAL IS JUSTIFIED IN BEING COMPATIBLE WITH NEIGHBORS AND EXISTING INADEQUATE NATURE. MY TIME WILL RUN OUT HERE.

SO WADE'S CREEK IS ASKING FOR RES C.

SIX UNITS PER ACRE, BUT ALL OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS ARE RES B OR LOCKER. TWO POINT 12, ARBOR MILL, TWO.174. ST. JOHNS DRI, 1.049.

I DID TAKE THAT OUT OF ST. JOHNS.

AND SILVER LEAF, 2.34. ALL OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS ARE LESS THAN SIX UNITS PER ACRE.

OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT DOES IDENTIFY A DEFICIENT ROADWAYS MAPS. DOES IDENTIFY FIVE IMPACTED SEGMENTS CAUSED BY THE PROJECT TOTALLING 57.23 MILLION DOLLARS AND BASED ON A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, A 125.

THE COMMISSION CAN TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

SO DENIAL IS CONSISTENT WITH SIX ACRES IS INCONSIST WITH SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS IS DOES GIVE THE COMMISSION TO DENY. I GUESS MY WIN-WIN HERE IS IT'S TOO MUCH TOO SOON. MEANING THAT RES B WOULD SEEM MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE TO ME THAN RES C.

AND WE DO NEED TO BUILD OURSELVES OUT OF OUR ROAD PROBLEM. WE'RE HAVING OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT. WE SHOULD DO THAT.

RES B WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THE APPLICANT HERE WOULD AGREE TO REDUCE AS TO RES B.

BUT AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS AND HAS BEEN PRESENTED, IT'S RES C AND WOULD DENY THAT BASED ON IT BEING INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE

NEIGHBORS. >> THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS 3 AND 4? SEEING NONE. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT ON THESE AGENDA ITEMS. >> ANY CLOSING RESPONSE?

>> YES, SIR, BRAD WESTER. I DID WANT TO POINT OUT AND THE TESTIMONY IN THE PREVIOUS ITEM BORE THIS OUT BY COMMISSION BLOCKER. COMPATIBILITY, THE TEST FOR COMPATIBILITY DOES NOT MEAN IT HAS TO BE EXACT OR LIKE.

IT JUST NEEDS TO BE OF SIMILAR CHARACTER AND WE HAVE PROVEN THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IS OF TRANSITIONAL CHARACTER BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL NODE AT THE CORNER AND THROUGH RESIDENTIAL B WHICH YOU JUST HEARD.

RESIDENTIAL C IS A VERY LOGICAL AND COMPATIBLE REQUEST WITH THE LAND USE IN THE AREA. ONE OTHER THING THAT WAS NOTED

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THE DRIS ARE MEASURED AREA WIDE AND NOT SITE SPECIFIC.

SO SOME OF THE DENSITIES MIGHT BE SKEWED IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS. WE ASK FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THE APPROVAL OF THIS AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY COMPATIBLE. I WILL STATE ONE MORE THING.

BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL C REQUEST AND THE RESIDENTIAL B, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER WHICH DOES INCLUDE A CREEK.

AN EXISTING WETLAND PROTECTED IN THE PUD.

A 35 FOOT EDGE AND OUR 35 FOOT EDGE.

THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER THERE OF GREEN SPACE THAT WON'T EVER BE TOUCHED BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIGNIFICANCE AND ADOPTED IN A PUD. THAT BUFFER IN ITSELF ALSO SEPARATES A TRANSITIONAL USE BETWEEN B AND C.

BUT IT IS A VERY LOGICAL THING TO PUT NEXT TO AN INTENSIFIED COMMERCIAL AT THE CORNER AND TRANSITION FROM C TO B AGAND PUBLIC. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS CORRIDOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO.

IS THERE A MOTION? >> I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. WE'RE COMBINING THREE AND FOUR, RIGHT? DO THEM SEPARATE.

OKAY. I MOVE TO DENY CPA SS2021-26 WADE'S CREEK BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN

THE STAFF >> SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. >> IT PASSES 4-1.

OKAY. THAT WAS THREE.

DO WE NEED, IS THAT BOTH? >> YES IF YOU COULD.

IT MUST BE A DENIAL BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE

[5. Public Hearing * NZVAR 2022-07 Pacetti Burchfield Family. ]

COMP PLAN. >> SAY THAT AGAIN.

>> THE THUNDER IS IN MY EAR. >> I MOVE TO DENY PUD 2021-24 BASED ON 10 FINDINGS OF FACT BASED ON THE REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 4-1.

OKAY. THAT'S 3 AND 4.

NUMBER 5. NUMBER 5 IS IS MR. BURNETT, ARE

YOU ON DECK? >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS, DOUG BURNETT. THE

>> SORRY. 5 QUASI.

EX PARTE. MR. BLOCKER.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAD A PHONE CALL FROM MR. BURNETT I BELIEVE IT WAS WEDNESDAY THE 13TH IN THE AFTERNOON AROUND 5 O'CLOCK. WE BRIEFLY TALKED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, HE ASKED IF I HAD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

I DID NOT OVER THE PHONE. THAT'S ALL.

>> MR. WALDRON. >> YEAH, I HAD A PHONE CALL FROM MR. BURNETT JUST ASKED QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

ALSO SPOKE TO ONE OF THE APPLICANTS WONDERING WHEN IT WAS COMING BEFORE THE BOARD. THAT'S IT MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> I DID HAVE NONE. >> I DID HAVE A PHONE CALL WITH MR. DOUG BURNETT AND ASKED IF I HAD QUESTIONS.

I DID NOT AT THAT TIME. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

>> I HAD A PHONE CALL ON WEDNESDAY TO DISCUSS

PROJECT. >> THANK YOU.

OKAY. MR. BURNETT.

YOU'RE ON. >> CONSIDERING HOW LATE WE ARE IN THE DAY, I WILL REMIND YOU. THIS IS THE PACETTI BURCHFIELD FAMILY. YOU WILL RECALL EARLIER THIS YEAR, THERE WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT GRANTED THIS IS FOR FOUR OF THE KIDS TO BUILD HOME SITES AFTER THE COMP PLAN.

THEY WENT TO BUILD A PERMIT AND NEEDED A NONZONING VARIANCE FOR THE EASEMENT. THAT'S WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY.

I WILL SKIP MY PRESENTATION AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE CONCERNING THE APPLICATION.

>> OKAY. QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 5.

ANYBODY WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

COME FORWARD. >> SEEING NONE.

WE WILL CLOSE ON AGENDA ITEM 5. I WILL MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE PACETTI BURCHFIELD FAMILY AND REQUEST FOR NONZONING VARIANCE TO SECTION 5 POINT 01 POINT C POINT 1 TO REQUEST RELIEVE FROM

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STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. GO TO NUMBER 6.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S EX PARTE.

ON 6. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE NO RECORD OF ANY

MEETINGS. >> MR. WALDRON.

>> NONE. NONE FROM

>> MR. WHITEHURST. >> NONE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.

ELLEN AVERY SMITH. RODGERS TOWERS SAINT AUGUSTINE.

I DID NOT CALL YOU BECAUSE HOPEFULLY THIS IS SO EASY TO EXPLAIN THAT YOU DID NOT NEED TO TAKE UP ANY TIME FROM YOUR BUSY SCHEDULES. SO, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU, I WILL INTRODUCE YOU TO WR TOWNSEND WHO HAS OWNED THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR 35 YEARS.

LET'S TALK. THE PROPERTY THAT HE HAS OWNED IS ACTUALLY PARTIALLY HE OWNS SOME PROPERTY IN THE CUMBERLAND INDUSTRIAL PARK NEXT TO THIS. IF YOU HAVE DRIVEN ON COUNTY ROAD 210 FOR THE LAST 34 YEARS, YOU WILL HAVE SEEN HIS COMPANY BECAUSE HE RAN HIS CONSTRUCTION COMPANY IF THAT BUILDING FOR ALL OF THESE YEARS. THEY HAVE DONE CONCRETE CRUSHING, METAL RECYCLING. YOU WILL SEE ALL OF THAT EVIDENCED ON THE GROUND IF YOU DRIVE BY ON COUNTY ROAD 210 WEST THE ROAD AND EAST OF I-95. THE PROPERTY HAS A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF MIXED USE DISTRICT.

ZONED PUD TOWNSEND. WE GOT THIS APPROVED 12 YEARS AGO TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT INDUSTRIAL PARK OUT THERE LONGER. THAT PUD CAME ABOUT AGAIN 11 GOING ON 12 YEARS AGO. ALL WE'RE SEEKING TO DO TODAY LITERALLY IS TO ALLOW A GENTLEMEN WHO MANUFACTURES OR NOT MANUFACTURING, BUILDS SWIMMING POOLS TO BUILD AN OUT DOOR DISPLAY AREA IN THE FRONT OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING LONG COUNTY ROAD 210 AND SETBACK FROM 210 AND TO UPDATE THE PHASING IN THE PUD, IT'S AN OLDER PUD. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE ORIENTATION. YOU SEE COUNTY ROAD 210 ON THE LEFT SIDE. ALL OF THESE FACILITIES OUT HERE HAVE EXISTED FOR MANY YEARS. AND SO REALLY THIS IS, THIS AREA IS THE OUT DOOR DISPLAY AREA. AGAIN THIS BUILDING HAS EXISTED FOR 34 YEARS. ALL OF THIS PARKING, YOU KNOW THIS TRAILER HAS BEEN OUT THERE AND SO REALLY ALL WE'RE ASKING TODAY IS TO ALLOW OUTDOOR DISPLAY AREA SO THE GENTLEMEN WHO BUILDS POOLS CAN BUILD I CALL THEM MINI POOLS OUT FRONT SO YOU CAN GO AND SEE WHAT YOUR POOL MAY LOOK LIKE IF YOU DECIDE TO BUILD ONE IN YOUR BACKYARD. THAT'S THE INTENT TODAY.

YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE MORE OF WHAT THE MINIPOOLS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE. FENCING AND ALL THAT YOUR LAND CODE REQUIRES. THAT'S TO SHOW AND YOU AGAIN THIS IS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE FROM ALL SIDES WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED. SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THIS MODIFICATION.

THE PZA VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME VERY MUCH.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MR. TOWNSEND, WE HAVE HIM HERE.

IF NOT, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 6.

ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION

[7. Public Hearing * REZ 2022-08 St. Augustine Storage.]

>> 48. >> MAJOR MOD 202303 TOWNSEND PUD BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN STAFF REPORT.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. >> THAT'S APPROVED 5-0.

ITEM 7 IS ALSO QUASI JUDICIAL. >> NONE.

>> WALDRON. >> MR. CHAIRMAN I HAD A PHONE CALL YESTERDAY AFTERNOON FROM THE APPLICANT.

HE JUST ASKED IF I HAD ISSUES BEING IT WAS IN MY DISTRICT.

I PARDON, I DIDN'T GET THE GENTLEMEN'S NAME.

I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF WRESTLING WITH MY TWO GRAND KIDS.

THEY ARE GETTING BIGGER AND THEY'RE WINNING.

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>> OKAY. AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS MR. HOLLIS. HE ALSO CALLED ME YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AND ASKED IF I HAD QUESTIONS.

I SAID, ZIP, NONE. NADA.

>> I HAVE NONE MR. CHAIRMAN. >> I BELIEVE I HAD A PHONE QUESTION. NO QUESTIONS.

>> ITEM 7. GO AHEAD.

>> I AM BRIAN PODS ENGINEER WITH TANNATH DESIGN IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA. I HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, PHILIP HOLLIS WHO WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION IF THAT'S OKAY.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COMMISSION. I'M PHILIP HOLLIS.

I'M PRINCIPLE WITH THE FLAGSHIP GROUP.

WE ARE MANUFACTURERS OF HIGH END STORAGE IN FLORIDA.

WE HAVE A REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR A CI ZONING ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR A SELF STORAGE FACILITY.

THE LOCATION OF IT IS 3260 U.S. HIGHWAY 1.

HERE ON U.S. 1-SOUTH. THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD HAS COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE TO THE NORTH CAR WASH, BOAT AND RV STORAGE. AND MEXICAN RESTAURANT AND ALL KINDS OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY.

THE PROPERTY IS IN THE MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

THIS IS NOT A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT.

THE PROPERTY ALONG WITH OTHER USES INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST ARE IN THIS SAME IDENTICAL LAND USE.

THE CURRENT ZONING IS CG AND THE PREDOMINANT ZONING IS CI WITHIN THE AREA. WE'RE REQUESTING THE CI REZONING. WE FIND IT CONSISTENT WITH A1.1, ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS. FLOOD PLANE ESA.

NO THREATENED OR ORREN -- ENDANGERED SPECIOUS.

THE SURROUNDING LAND USE IS MIXED USE AND HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ON U.S. 1. HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGICAL.

THAT CAME BACK CLEAR. COASTAL AREAS, THERE'S NO FLOOD PLAIN ON THE PROPERTY AND WE'RE DESIGNING ABOVE STORM SURGE AND AGAIN, IT'S COMPACT DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S AN INFILL SITE.

THIS IS A COLOR RENDERING OF THE SITE PLAN.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT DOES HAVE THE LITTLE BLOWUP OF IT.

BUT, IT HAS THE COMMERCIAL USE INTENSELY ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.

YOU CAN SEE THE LARGE BUFFER. WE'RE SAVING EXISTING TREES.

WE'RE PUTTING STORMWATER RETENTION POND BETWEEN US AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREA EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE IN THE SAME LAND USE AND WHAT WE DO IS WE PUT SCREEN WALLS AND USE BUILDINGS TO CREATE A VERY HIGH SCREEN WALL FROM OUR PROPERTIES.

WE ALSO PUSH THE MULTISTORY BUILDING AS CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY AS WE CAN ALWAYS AND USE THAT BUILDING TO ACTUALLY SCREEN AND BUFFER THE NOISE FROM THE BAD NEIGHBOR WHICH IS U.S. 1 TO THE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH. SO, ANY WAY, I LISTED THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR OUR DESIGN THERE.

REGARDING ARCHITECTURAL ENHANCEMENTS, WE DO A REALLY NICE ARCHITECTURAL WORK AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THE DETAILS OF THAT. WE USE MASONRY SPLIT FACE BLOCK AND WE USE GLASS DOOR FRONTS AND FINESTERATIONS ON OUR BUILDINGS AND SO FORTH IN OUR DESIGN. THE DUMPSTER AND EVERYTHING IS CONSISTENT. IT'S ALL A CONSISTENT DESIGN.

SO, TO BE BRIEF, WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS CI REZONING AND WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7?

PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7? >> SEEING NONE.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC. >> IS THERE A MOTION?

>> YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT

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ORDINANCE 2022- >> 49.

>> REZONING 2022-08 SAINT AUGUSTINE STORAGE BASED ON FOUR

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>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES NUMBER 8.

>> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU MR. HOLLIS.

>> >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

TONY ROBBINS. >> MR. CHAIR, THIS IS

JUDICIAL. >> 8.

>> JEREMIAH. >> NONE, SIR.

>> NO MR. CHAIRMAN. YOO NONE FOR ME.

>> NONE. >> NONE MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> DONE. FOR THE RECORD TONY ROBBINS.

JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, IF I COULD HAVE MY PRESENTATION.

I'M BEFORE YOU FOR A MODIFICATION FOR THE UNIFIED SIGN PLAN. THIS COMMISSION APPROVED BACK IN NOVEMBER AND SINCE THAT TIME, THE DEVELOPERS OF THE MORE COMMERCIAL ELEMENT TOWNSEND SOUTH CAME UP WITH ANOTHER DESIGN FOR ONE OF THE SIGNS CLOSEST TO THE COUNTY ROAD 210.

JUST TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH THE VICINITY.

THE FOUNTAIN SOUTH IS ON 210 NEXT TO TRACTOR SUPPLY.

FOUNTAIN NORTH IS WHERE THE HOSPITAL IS AND BUMP UP AGAINST TWIN CREEKS. THE CURRENT PLAN IS FOR MIXED DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ZONED PUD AND THE REQUESTED MODIFICATION WILL DO NOTHING MORE THAN ADD ANOTHER PROJECT IDENTITY MONUMENT TYPE TO THE OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF UNIFIED SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE FOUR PROJECTS.

SO THE APPENDIX WOULD HAVE A GRAPHICS ELEMENT, THE TABLE WILL LIST THE SIZE AND PARAMETERS FOR THAT SIGN AND ON THE LOCATION MAP WILL BE MODIFYING IT. I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE THREE STEPS. THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES AND CONTENTS. STRICTLY FOR THOSE BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE LOCATED WITHIN FOUNTAIN SOUTH AND PUTTING INTO THE TABLE, THAT LIST THE VARIOUS SIGNS PERMITTED THROUGH THE VARIOUS PUDS AND THEN AGAIN THE LOCATION BEFORE THEY HAD A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SIGN AND DECIDED TO MOVE THAT INWARD IN THE SHOPPING CENTER TO THE LOCATION CIRCLE IN YELLOW AND THIS SIGN ON COUNTY ROAD 210. RATHER STRAIGHTFORWARD ELEMENT TO ADD A DIFFERENT SIGN CLASSIFICATION TO THE UNIFIED PROJECT AND WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

I WILL STAND BY FOR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS FROM ARE THE PUBLIC.

THANK SIR.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT? >> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 8.

PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NONE.

WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 8.

>> OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION?

>> I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION MR. CHAIR.

I WILL MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2022-

[Items 9 & 10]

>> 263. >> THANK YOU.

U.S. P 2022-01 FOUNTAINS JOINT UNIFIED SIGN PLAN.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

THERE'S VOTE PLEASE VOTE. THAT'S APPROVED 5-0.

OKAY. NINE AND 10 ARE TOGETHER.

WE HAVE EX PARTE I BELIEVE ON 10 AND WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON 10 FIRST AND NINE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO THE COMP PLAN AND PUD OR REZONING. WE WILL ASK FOR EX PARTE ON 10.

>> MR. CHAIR, JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S NUMBER NINE THAT WILL HAVE

THE EX PARTE. >> NINE EX PARTE.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE NONE.

>> PAUL. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE I HAD A MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT, IT'S BEEN A WHILE BACK.

I THINK WE DISCUSSED, THE DOORS AND ALL THAT.

>> YES, SIR. THE WINDOW AND DOOR CONTRACTOR.

>> BIGGEST DISCUSSION WAS WHAT WAS ACROSS THE ROAD FROM YOU.

>> THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. >> BUT Y'ALL STATED IT WAS A DO

NUT SHOP. >> YES.

THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON THE USE.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY NOTES OF ANY MEETING ON NINE.

>> IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME AGO. >> YESTERDAY I HAD AN E-MAIL FROM BELOW GARCIA ASKING ME IF I HAD QUESTIONS AND I HAD NO ONE.

>> I DON'T BELIEVE I HAD ANY EITHER.

>> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE WE TAKE UP FIRST.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO VOTE ON 10 FIRST.

LET'S TAKE UP NINE AND 10 TOGETHER.

IF YOU WILL PRESENT 9 AND 10 TOGETHER.

>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. BOARD AND COMMISSIONERS.

I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE. I AM HERE REPRESENTING OUR CLIENT, COASTAL SIGN AND DOOR. MY CLIENT JEFF GOODMAN IS HERE

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THE SOLOMON COMMUNITY CENTER JUST NORTH OF THE RECREATIONAL FACILITY THERE. IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM REHABILITATION CENTER. ADJACENT TO INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. AND TO THE NORTH IS THE WEST KING NEIGHBORHOOD, THE FARTHEST SOUTHERN PORTION.

TO GIVE A QUICK UNDERSTANDING OF THE ZONING THERE.

IT'S CI WITH CONDITIONS AND RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME.

THE CONDITION ON THE CI ZONING DESIGNATION IS A SIX-FOOT FENCE IS REQUIRED ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT CONDITION WILL BE REMOVED. THE FUTURE LAND USE RELATED TO TE SMALL CASE REQUEST IS WITHIN THE RESIDENTIALFUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. THE PROPOSED ZONING FOR THIS DESIGNATION IS STRAIGHT CI WITH NO CONDITIONS.

AND THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE PROPERTY WOULD BE MIXED USE. STAFF DETERMINED THAT BECAUSE OF THE INTENSITY OF THE TRADES CONTRACTOR TYPE OF BUSINESS, A LAND USE AMENDMENT FOR RES D TO MIXED USE IS REQUIRED.

WHILE THIS IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THE APPLICATION, I WOULD TO PROVIDE SOMETHING FOR THE BOARD TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS PROPOSED. THE CURRENT BUILDING IS 4000 SQUARE FEET AND THEY ARE EXPECTING TO EXPAND TO 7000 SQUARE FEET FOR A TOTAL OF 11,000.

TOWARDS THE NORTH. AS PART OF THIS, WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS LDC REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS SETBACKS, RETENTION POND, DRIVEWAY SPACING, AS WELL AS LOADING BERTH.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS EXPANSION IS TO SUPPORT TRACK DELIVERIES IN A MORE COMPREHENSIVE MANNER. THE SPACE IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH OCCURRING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY JUST LIKE CONTRACTORS, RESIDENTS NEED WINDOWS AND DOORS AND THE BUSINESS AT THIS PROPERTY IS TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THIS EXPANSION. THE PRIMARY FRONTAGE IS ALONG 207 WITH SECONDARY FRONTAGE ALONG HIGH LAND AND ST. JEWELIAN CIRCLE. THIS PROJECT I FEEL IS VERY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

FROM THE BEGINNING WE KNEW THERE WOULD BE A 20 FOOT COMPATIBILITY BUFFER FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH.

SOME THE NEIGHBORS WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO AND RECEIVED SUPPORT FROM AND THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.

RETRIEVED EARLY IN THE YEAR, ABOUT JANUARY 2022.

THE SITE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SETBACKS PARKING LAYOUT AND ET CETERA AND DOES PROMOTE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF PROMOTING INFILL AS THIS SITE COULD HAVE GONE SOMEWHERE WITH MORE LAND AND SPACE TO EXPAND. THIS PROPERTY WHERE IT IS IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY IS AN EXCELLENT LOCATION.

THIS WOULD HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT TO THE ROADWAY AND TRAFFIC.

WE EXPECT HALF A PERCENT. IT'S NEITHER DEFICIENT NOR IN A CRITICAL STATUS. TO GIVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE LOCATION RELATIONSHIP TO THE NEIGHBORS.

THERE'S COMMERCIAL BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES TO THE SOUTHWEST. ACROSS THE STREET IS TERA REFRIGERATION AND AC AND THE SOUTH IS A REHABILITATION AREA.

THE FOUR STARS ARE WHERE WE RECEIVED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORS. THAT ALL SUPPORT THE PROPOSED REZONING AS WELL AS THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT.

TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE LOCATION, THIS IS FROM THE SOUTH. SO WE ARE RIGHT HERE.

WHERE THE INTERSECTIONS WITH HIGH LAND BOULEVARD.

LOOKING NORTH. OVER HERE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY IS, AS PART OF THIS EXPANSION, THEY WOULD ELIMINATE THE SECONDARY ACCESS ALONG HIGH LAND.

THIS IS WHERE THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE.

THESE HOMES HAVE NO RESIDENTS AND THEY ARE INTENDED TO BE DEMOLISHED FOR PART OF THIS EXPANSION.

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THESE HOMES WILL BE DEMOLISHED AS PART OF THE PROJECT.

WE BELIEVE THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES TO SUPPORT INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ALSO COMPACT AND ADJACENT TO EXISTING PUBLIC SERVICES.

THE REZONING IS ALSO COMPATIBLE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND THAT IT IS ADDRESSING IMCOMPATIBILITIES.

WE REQUEST YOU APPROVE THE REZONING AND SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENTS. QUESTIONS?

>> PUBLIC COMMENT? >> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA AM ITEMS 9 AND 10.

ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE COMMENT PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE WILL TAKE UP 10 FIRST. IS THERE A MOTION ON 10?

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2022-

>> 50 >> APPROVING CPA SS 2022-02.

GOOD MAN COMMERCIAL EXPANSION BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT

AS PROVIDED IN THE >>

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON 10. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 5-0. IS THERE A MOTION ON 9?

>> YES, SIR, MOTION TO ENACT 2022-

[11. Public Hearing * VACROA 2022-06 - Public Hearing to vacate a portion of unopened Avenue C. ]

>> 51. >> REZONING 2022-06.

GOOD MAN COMMERCIAL EXPANSION BASED ON FOUR FINDS OF FACT.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

MROEZ PLEASE VOTE. >> NINE IS APPROVED 5-0.

>> HERE WE'RE HEAR 11. WHO IS HERE PRESENTING ON ITEM 11?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. WILLIAM CIRMO, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. I'M HERE PRESENTING AS PART OF A GROUP ASKING FOR A VACATION OF A PORTION OF AVENUE C THAT'S INTERSECTING A PARCEL OF LAND AT 4533 AVENUE A AROUND THE CORNER HERE. THIS IS AN UNDEVELOPED AREA THAT IS NOT, NEVER KNOW IN USE. SO THIS IS THE LOCATION OF IT.

RIGHT OFF OF U.S. 1 AND FIRST STREET.

YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE TINY EXTENSION FOR AVENUE C.

THIS IS AN OVERLAY SHOWING THE DIFFERENT AREAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS AND THE EXTENSION INTO THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR OFF OF FIRST STREET. AND THERE IT IS, AERIAL VIEW OF THE SHOT. I'M SHOWING HOW IT BISECTS THE PROPERTY. IT BASICALLY IS BETWEEN FIRST STREET AND THE DETENTION CENTER THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT.

BASICALLY WE'RE MAKING THIS REQUEST BECAUSE WE WANT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY THAT'S THERE AT 4533.

IT'S PARCEL THAT'S ZONED FOR OPEN STORAGE AND WE INTEND TO DEVELOP IT INTO AN RV AND BOAT STORAGE AREA.

THERE'S NO REVIEW OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE CONNECTED AND HOW THIS AVENUE C EXTENSION BISECTS OF TWO OF THEM.

THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 3.63 ACRES.

AND OUR PROPOSED USE IN THE PROGRAM WILL BE RV AND BOAT STORAGE. THERE'S ALREADY ON SITE A VEHICLE TOWING FACILITY AND VEHICLE INSPECTION STATION.

AVAILABLE FOR ANY >>

>> >> OKAY.

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PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 11. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NONE, WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. I WILL MOVE THIS IS IN DISTRICT 5. I WILL MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION

[12. Mickler's Wharf Update. ]

2022- >> 264.

>> APPROVING THE VACATION OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR 2022-06 AVENUE C. PETITION TO VACATE PORTION OF

AVENUE C RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT'S APPROVED 5-0. THANK YOU,

>> THANK YOU. >> ITEM 12.

ITEM 12 IS, THE MICKLER'S WHARF DISCUSSION.

>> ON MAY 50, 2018. THE BOC ENTERED INTO A LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH THE PONTE VEDRA ALLIANCE TO ALLOW FOR CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC ACCESS TO A WHARF AT THE END OF CANAL BOULEVARD. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DIRECTED STAFF TO PROVIDE ANALYSIS OF THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS OF MICKLER'S WHARF.

STAFF EVALUATED THE CURRENT AND PROJECTED MAINTENANCE COSTS.

THE ALLIANCE COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION IN NOVEMBER OF 2019, PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS RESIDENTIAL AND PARCELS TO THE NORTH ARE ZONED COMMERCAL. ACCORDING TO THE LICENSE AGREEMENT THE WHARF IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

THERE'S NO ADA COMPLIANT PARKING AND LIMITED TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF CANAL BOULEVARD ON WEST OF ROSCOE.

THERE ARE NO UTILITY OR RESTROOMS. WE IDENTIFIED THE FOLLOWING REQUIRED REPAIRS.

REPAIR AND REINFORCE THE WHARF RAILINGS.

REPLACE BULK HEADS. REPLACE THE PICNIC TABLE AND PERFORM A STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS AS WE OBSERVED A DEPLEXION IN THE DECKING. THE COST IS ESTIMATED AT 7945 DOLLARS. ADDITIONAL REPAIRS BASED ON THE ANALYSIS ARE NOT KNOWN AT THIS TIME.

MINIMUM IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED BASED ON THE EXPANSION OF PUBLIC USE AND TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY'S LIABILITY, OUR SUBMITTED COSTS OF 7420 DOLLARS WHICH INCLUDES BRINGING THE EXISTING PARKING INTO ADA COMPLIANCE AND ADDING SIGNAGE.

OTHER AMENITIES INCLUDING RESTROOMS AND ADDITIONAL PARKING CANNOT BE ACCOMMODATED WITHOUT ADJACENT LAND ACQUISITION.

MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR COSTS ANNUALLY ARE ESTIMATED AT 5584 DOLLARS. THAT INCLUDES 2 TRASH REMOVAL SERVICES PER WEEK. GROUNDS MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTION STAFF TIME AND GENERAL MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS.

SHOULD THE BOARD CONTINUE TO CONSIDER CONVEYANCE OF THE STRUCTURE, NEXT STEPS WOULD BE TO FACILITATE A STRUCTURAL UNLESS TO DETERMINE ANY UNKNOWN CONDITIONS AND PROVIDE APPROXIMATE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REMEDIATION.

CONTACT COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO GAIN FEEDBACK TO THE CONVEYANCE AND ANY OTHER BOARD DIRECTION. I'M HEAR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS WITH MIKE DALTON FROM FACILITIES MANAGEMENT AND RYAN CAIN AND

PARKS AND REC. >> THANK YOU KATIE.

QUESTIONS? >> KATIE, WHEN WAS THIS WHARF

COMPLETED? >> THE WHARF WAS COMPLETED I

BELIEVE IN 2019. >> AND THAT WAS INSPECTED OR WAS

IT INSPECTED BY THE ARMY CORPS? >> I'M NOT AWARE OF AN

INSPECTION, NO. >> SO THERE'S NO.

WHO WAS THE PERMITTING UNIT BEYOND THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS?

>> IT'S NOT RUN THROUGH OUR OFFICE.

I'M NOT AWARE IF AN INSPECTION WAS COMPLETED AFTER

CONSTRUCTION. >> IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN FIND OUT? WHETHER THEY INSPECT THEM WHEN

THEY'RE DONE? >> I LOOKED INTO IT.

I COULD FIND NO RECORD FOR INSPECTION AND CAN CONTINUE TO

LOOK. >> I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD ASSUME THEY INSPECT THEM. BUT I DON'T KNOW.

DO WE HAVE OTHER FACILITIES LIKE THIS THAT HAVE RESTROOMS

FACILITIES? >> MOST OF THE OTHER PARKS HAVE RESTROOM FACILITIES OF SOME SORT.

>> WHAT ABOUT OUR REALLY SMALL POCKET PARKS?

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>> SOME OF THEM HAVE PORTLETS SUCH AS HELEN SCHMITT.

THEY HAVE MORE OF A TEMPORARY RESTROOM.

>> WHO IS PICKING UP THE TRASH? >> I BELIEVE PARKS AND REC.

>> THAT REALLY WOULDN'T BE ADDITIONAL

>> NO. >> OKAY.

I THINK THERE IS SOME PAVED PARKING THERE, CORRECT?

>> NO. THERE'S NO PAVED PARKING.

THEY HAVE SOME I THINK THERE'S SOME MILLENS DOWN BUT IT'S NOT

STABILIZED OR FINISHED PARKING. >> I THERE WAS WHEN IT OPENED.

>> I WILL SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS QUESTIONS.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PUBLICCOMMENT?

>> THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 12.

WOULD THOSE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT COME FORWARD.

>> WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY JUST ABANDON IT?

>> WHO DOES IT CONVEY TO? >> THAT, I DON'T KNOW.

I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. >> OKAY.

>> MAYBE THE NEXT SPEAKER CAN ANSWER THAT.

>> MAYBE. >> YES, MA'AM, MS. CHAPIN.

>> DEB CHAPIN I.531 NORTH WILDERNESS TRAIL.

THE FOUNDER OF THE GREEN WAY ALLIANCE.

THIS IS AN AMENITY THAT'S BEEN USED VERY LIGHTLY FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AND VERY WELL RECEIVED.

EVEN THE PEOPLE OPPOSED HAVE REALLY WELCOMED IT.

IT'S A GREAT ASET. RIGHT-OF-WAY HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN THE COUNTY'S POSSESSION AND USED AS A FISHING AREA.

WE MADE IT MUCH SAFER. AS FAR AS THE ARMY CORPS INSPECTION. I DO NOT KNOW.

THE CONTRACTOR WE WORKED WITH WHO DONATED HIS LABOR IS VERY EXPERIENCED AND HE'S DONE PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL DOCKS IN PONTE VEDRA. AND YOU KNOW, THE REASON WE'RE LOOKING TO TURN IT OVER IS BECAUSE THE ALLIANCE THROUGH COVID, PEOPLE HAVE MOVED ON WITH THEIR LIVES AND RELOCATED TO DIFFERENT STATES AND THE GREEN WAY INITIATIVE IS NO LONGER AN OPPORTUNITY. WE ARE DISSOLVING THE ENTITY AND WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS.

THIS REQUIRES THE LAND CODE TO GIVE PUBLIC ACCESS, I THINK IT'S 250 FEET TO WATER WAYS. AND YOU KNOW A RESTROOM WOULD CERTAIN BE A WELCOME ADDITION TO THE PORTOLET.

WE HAD A PORTOLET UNDER THE BRIDGE FOREVER, WE NEVER HAD REGULAR RESTROOMS UNDER THE BRIDGE.

THAT'S HAPPENING NOW. WHAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION? SO, THE COUNTY HAS HAD THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THERE AND IT PROBABLY HASN'T BEEN PAVED IN DECADES.

AND THE, THAT'S BASICALLY IT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ONE MORE THING. SO IF THE COUNTY DECIDES NOT TO ASSUME CUSTODY OR OWNERSHIP, THERE ARE A FEW ENTITIES PERHAPS THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS NEXT DOOR WOULD WANT TO ASSUME OWNERSHIP BUT I CANNOT GUARANTEE THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC ACCESS. I THINK THAT THAT, YOU WOULD GET A LOT OF FLACK FROM THE CONSUMERS, THE LOCAL PEOPLE USING IT. SO.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND FOR SUPPORTING THIS INITIATIVE AND PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS AND ESPECIALLY JOY WHO SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND REGINA, YEARS AGO TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THIS. IT WAS NOT AN EASY PROJECT.

PART OF THE FACT IS THE ARMY CORPS HAD THE JURISDICTION OVER THE WATER AND YOU DID OVER THE LAND AND THEN WE HAVE THE DEP.

IT WAS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY. BUT, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER NO. OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MS. CHAPIN.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? SEEING NONE. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 12. >> THIS WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA AT THE REQUEST OF US. MAYBE SPECIFICALLY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GO FORWARD IN SOME MANNER. I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE WATER ACCESS TO THOSE WHO LIVE IN THE IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATE AREA AND POSSIBLY A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY.

IT IS DISTRICT FOUR AND WILL DEFER TO COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

I'M A HAPPY SUPPORTER. >> ABSOLUTELY.

I AM A SUPPORTER. I THINK THIS IS VERY VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY THERE. I THINK THERE'S BROAD COMMUNITY SUPPORT. I THINK INITIALLY, THERE WAS OPPOSITION BUT PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THE VALUE OF THIS ESPECIALLY THROUGH COVID. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GO FORWARD. I THINK THESE COSTS ARE MINIMAL AND WILL BE AN IMPORTANT ACCESS POINT FOR THE PUBLIC AND TO

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I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE COST PROHIBITIVE.

I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO ACQUIRE MORE RECREATIONAL SPACE AND THIS CERTAINLY IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WHERE LOCALS IN THE COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER AND HELPED CREATE THIS. IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. I FULLY SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A REQUEST FROM STAFF TO CONDUCT SOME COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND FEEDBACK WHICH IS APPROPRIATE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER IF I MAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS.

WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE PERFORMING A VISUAL INSPECTION, WE DID OBSERVE THREE AND A FOR THE INCH DEFLECTION ON THE DECK.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS CAUSING IT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. IT COULD RESULT IN COSTLY REPAIRS. WHATEVER STAFF RECOMMENDS AS FAR AS DOING THAT, WE WANT TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE WERE

>> THE STAFF IS SPEAKING BOARD DIRECTION.

CHRISTIAN YOU'RE ON THE BOARD. NOT ONLY ON THE BOARD BUT THIS

BOARD. >> I'M ON SEVERAL BOARDS.

>> I KNOW. MS. DIAZ.

YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. YOU'RE READING MY MIND.

IN THE STAFF BRIEFING, I WAS TOLD THERE COULD BE SIGNIFICANT COSTS. THE COSTS LISTED HERE ARE MINIMAL I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BLOCKER'S ASSESSMENT. BUT THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR SIGNIFICANT COSTS. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE COSTS COULD BE TO REPAIR WHAT YOU'RE EXPLAINING TO US?

>> IT COULD BE AS SERIOUS AS NEEDING TO REMOVE THE ENTIRE DECK AND DRIVE THE PILES IN DEEPER OR REPLACE THE PILES.

IT COULD GO INTO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

>> SO I GUESS, THEN TO THE BOARD, I WOULD SAY DO WE NOT WANT TO SET, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT.

HOW MUCH DO WE WANT TO BE IN ON THIS? AND IN A NOREASTER COMES IN AND WASHES THIS OUT AND WE TAKE THIS ON, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT EXCEEDING A DOLLAR AMOUNT WE'RE INTENDING TO SPED TODAY.

>> MR. CHAIR TO THE COMMISSION. TO KEEP THIS MOVING AS WELL.

I THINK WHAT WOULD BE GOOD DIRECTION FOR STAFF IS TO GIVE US THE APPROVAL TO DO THE STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS.

[13. Fiscal Year 2023 Recommended Budget. ]

IF WE DO THE STRUCTURAL UNLESS AND IT'S SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT,

YOU ARE AWARE. >> WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT

COMMITTING TO ANY FIGURE TODAY. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

YES, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S GOOD DIRECTION. KATIE IS THAT SUFFICIENT?

>> YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

>> THIS TAKES CARE OF 12. WE WILL MOVE TO THE BUDGET.

MR. DUNN. NUMBER 13.

THIS IS SORT OF PRELIMINARY BUDGET REPORT AS I UNDERSTAND

IT. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

JESSE DUNN, DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.

GOOD AFTERNOON TODAY I'M GOING TO PROVIDE TO THE COMMISSION AND TO THE PUBLIC REALLY AN OVER VIEW OF THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET.

PUT TOGETHER THROUGH COUNTY ADMINISTRATION.

THIS IS A DISCUSSION ONLY. THERE IS NO ACTION ITEM.

BUT CERTAINLY IF THERE'S A BOARD CONSENSUS ON ANYTHING, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. THIS IS A FLUID PROCESS THROUGH I WILL SAY UNTIL WE ADOPT IT IN SEPTEMBER.

THIS WILL LAY THE GROUNDS FOR THE AUGUST 2, BCC MEETING WHERE THE COMMISSION WILL SET THE COUNTY'S PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES, WHICH WE WILL DISCUSS IT LATER. WE WILL GENERATE THE TRIM OR TRUTH IN MILLAGE FORM. LAYMEN'S TERMS, THE DRAFT TAX BILL. THAT'S THE CEILING RATES ARE ESTABLISHED, THERE WILL BE A DRAFT TAX BILL SENT OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND MID TO LATE AUGUST AND WE CONTINUE FORWARD WITH TWO HEARINGS IN SEPTEMBER TO BOTH ADOPT FINAL MILLAGE RATES AND ADOPT THE FINAL BUDGET.

BUT, STILL PLENTY OF TIME LEFT IN THIS AND THIS JUST PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS WHERE KIND OF GETTING A LITTLE PAST THE MIDDLE THERE.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING A BUDGET THAT WORK BOOK HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION FOR THE PUBLIC'S VIEWING PLEASURE IF YOU WILL. IT IS ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE UNDER THE OMB HOME PAGE. AND THAT REFLECTING BOTH THE OVERALL SUMMARIES AS WELL AS THE LINE ITEM DETAIL AND CERTAINLY ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP I INVITE ANY QUESTIONS DOWN TO THE LINE ITEM BUDGET. SO WE ARE AGAIN IN JULY WILL BE

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AND IN SEPTEMBER WE HAVE THE TWO HEARINGS.

AT THIS RECOMMENDED BUDGET, WE ARE A LITTLE ALMOST 1.THREE BILLION DOLLARS. 1 MILLION 266 MILLION, WHEN WE GET INTO SEPTEMBER, AND CERTAINLY SEPTEMBER AROUND HERE CAN BE A HECTIC MONTH WHEN WE GET CLOSER, DEEPER INTO HURRICANE SEASON. I WANT TO PUT THIS OUT NOW.

THIS IS PRECARRY FORWARD CROSS. WHICH ARE OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS MULTI-YEAR AS WELL AS OUR MULTI-YEAR GRANTS.

WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS ADDITIONAL FEDERAL AND STATE AND GRANT OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAVE ARISEN THROUGH AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN THROUGH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANTS, AND THESE ARE APPROPRIATED ALL AT ONCE UP FRONT AND WHAT WE DO IS APPROPRIATE THEM AND AS PROJECTS NEED THEM FROM FISCAL YEAR TO FISCAL YEAR WE HAVE TO THEN CARRY FORWARD REMAINING APPROPRIATIONS.

SO WHEN WE GET INTO SEPTEMBER, THE BUDGET WILL SUDDENLY CHANGE IF YOU WILL. IT'S GOING TO GO UP.

I WOULD ESTIMATE ABOUT 300,000 DOLLARS MORE IN THE RANGE WITH THE PROJECTS AND GRANTS WE HAVE. SO, FOR THOSE OUT, THE COMMISSION IS CERTAINLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

FOR THE PUBLIC TRACKING THIS. WE WILL SEE THE JUMP AND WE WILL CERTAINLY HIGHLIGHT WHAT THOSE CARRY FORWARDS ARE.

SO GETTING INTO THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET.

THE CERTIFIED VALUE RIGHT NOW IS AT 17.8% TAXABLE VALUE GROWTH FOR FISCAL YEAR '23. WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS IN MAY, IT WAS ABOUT 14.9%.

WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE ABOUT IT.

WE CAME IN A LITTLE HIGHER. AT 17.8%.

THE INCREMENTAL REVENUE REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET AND I SHOULD SAY THE INCREMENTAL PROPERTY TAXES REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET ARE 39.FIVE MILLION DOLLARS AS REFLECTED UP HERE IN THE CHART WITH THE LARGEST AMOUNT APPROPRIATED WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND AT ABOUT 26.9 MILLION DOLLARS.

I WANT TO LOCK IN AT THIS POINT HERE.

SO IT'S A 17.8% INCREASE. THAT DOES NOT IMPLY THAT WE ARE, THE PEOPLE, EVERYONE IS GOING TO SEE A 17.8% INCREASE IN THEIR PROPOSED TAXES. THE SAVING GRACE IS OUR SAVE OUR HOMES AND THE CAP ON THE HOMESTEAD CAP WHICH IS FOR THIS YEAR IS 3%. SO IF YOU HAVE A HOMESTEADED PROPERTY, YOUR ASSESSED VALUE WILL BE CAPPED AT 3% DESPITE WHAT HAPPENS ON EITHER SIDE OF YOUR LITERALLY OF YOUR HOUSE OR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, WITH THAT, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT 3% IS CERTAINLY A SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS TO THOSE WHO ARE HOMESTEADED. AND WE STATE DEPENDING UPON VALUE OF YOUR AND THIS PARTICULAR CASE, RESIDENTIAL HOME, THAT THE AVERAGE INCREASE WOULD BE ABOUT 3 POINT FIVE % AT THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATES. THAT'S 17.8% IS REALLY A TOUGH ONE FOR US. WE HAVE NOT SEEN THAT LEVEL BEFORE. THERE IS CERTAINLY A LEVEL OF GROWTH IN THERE. SO NEW CONSTRUCTION AT ABOUT 5%.

THERE WAS ALSO MOVEMENT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE BACK TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS TO REALLY GET A MAXIMUM ASSESSMENT IN THE AREAS AND THAT WAS ACROSS ALL 67 COUNTIES.

SO WE ARE SEEING THESE ASSESSED VALUES REPORTED CLOSER TO THE MAXIMUM VALUE OF THE ACTIVITIES AND THEN AS WELL, JUST KIND OF A BEHAVIOR WE HAVE ALL SEEN AND I CERTAINLY HAVE SEEN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYONE HAS, THAT NEIGHBOR WHO MAY HAVE SOLD THEIR HOME FOR YOU KNOW 75 TO 100% MORE THAN THEY ORIGINALLY BOUT IT FOR. AND THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES WHEN THOSE PROPERTIES COME OFF THAT WERE HOMESTEADED EXEMPT AT 250,000 DOLLARS ARE SUDDENLY PUT BACK ON THE BOOKS AT 500,000 DOLLARS. THAT BEHAVIOR WE HAVE SEEN AND WISHED WE COULD BE PART OF AT TIMES IN OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS IS PART OF THE REASON WE'RE SEEING THAT INCREASE IN VALUATION. SO, SOME OF THE OTHER REVENUES THAT WE MONITOR AND WE HAVE ADJUSTED SINCE THE WORKSHOP,

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I WILL TELL YOU SOME OF THE OTHER REVENUES.

WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT FUEL TAXES.

WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.

WE'RE SEEING THAT FUEL TAXES ARE REMAINING DESPITE GROWTH HERE IN POPULATION, THEY'RE REALLY REMAINING RELATIVELY FLAT AS SHOWN UP ON THE CHART THERE. ONE OF THE EXPLANATIONS IS THAT WE'RE SEEING CERTAINLY FUEL MORE FUEL EFFICIENT VEHICLES OUT THERE. SOME PEOPLE ARE CONVERTING TO.

ELECTRIC OR HYBRID BUT ALSO JUST THE VEHICLES IN GENERAL NOW ARE MORE FUEL EFFICIENT AND CERTAINLY WITH THE AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT WE RECEIVE BACK WHICH ARE NOT RELATED TO THE PRICE AND FUEL RIGHT NOW BUT RELATED TO MORE, ON THE LOCAL PENNIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE TAX THAT COMES BACK TO THE COUNTIES

>> WE'RE SEEING RELATIVELY FLAT FUEL TAXES.

HALF CENT SALES TAX WHICH IS PART OF THE BASIC, THIS IS NOT A DISCRETIONARY SALES TAX. THIS IS JUST OUR BASIC 6% THAT THE STATE LEVIES AND WE RECEIVE A HALF A SENT, HALF OF 1% BACK IS CERTAINLY GOING UP. WE CAPTURED THOSE CHANGES AT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP AND CONTINUE TO MONITOR THOSE.

AND THEN WHAT WE'RE SEEING THE BOARD LEVIED, NOT ONLY ARE WE SEE THE ADDITION OF REVENUES FROM THE TAX BUT SEEING AN UPTICK IN THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX PROCEEDS COMING BACK INTO THE COUNTY. SO I THINK EXPLAINS A BEHAVIOR THAT CERTAINLY PEOPLE ARE GETTING BACK OUT THERE.

THERE'S A PENT UP DEMAND ON TOURISM AND PEOPLE GETTING AWAY FOR THE WEEKEND AND WE'RE CERTAINLY BENEFITTING FROM THAT.

SO WE HAVE SEEN SINCE THE LAST WORKSHOP AN UPTICK IN THE REVENUES WE RECOGNIZED INTO THE BUILDING GOING INTO THIS RECOMMENDED BUDGET LEVEL. SOME OF THE EXPENDITURES AS DISCUSSED. MANY WERE DISCUSSED AT THE WORKSHOP. THE SALARY RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS YEAR IS A 3% PLUS 1 DOLLAR 50 -- 1.50 PER EMPLOYEE FOR RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION.

THERE ARE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS FOR LICENSURES, PROMOTIONS IF THEY EXIST. LARGELY LICENSURES AND THE INDUSTRY MARKET WATCHES. ONE OF THE AREAS WHEN YOU THINK OF MARKET WATCH GENERALLY COMES UP IS IT RELATED.

SO WE WANT TO MAINTAIN COMPETITIVENESS WITH IT OR ENGINEERS. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HUMAN RESOURCE DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO MONITOR.

AS DISCUSSED, AS WELL AT THE WORKSHOP OUR HEALTH INSURANCE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THE EMPLOYEE INCREASE FOR THIS YEAR TO BE 9.1% WHICH HAPPENS TO BE WHAT INFLATION RATES AND THESE ARE IN RESPONSE TO PENT UP DEMAND WE HAVE SEEN IN HEALTH CARE CLAIMS. COMMISSIONERS YOU WILL RECEIVE A WHITE PAPER ON THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND BUT I CAN TELL YOU IN THE SHORT KIND OF IN THE SHORT RANGE IN THE DISCUSSIONS, THE HEALTH INSURANCE RATES THAT WE ESTABLISHED OVER THE YEARS AND WE LOOK AT THOSE ANNUALLY ARE CERTAINLY NOT THERE TO ADDRESS A PANDEMIC AND THE REALLY KIND OF CONTINUES INFLATIONARY COSTS RELATED TO THAT.

WE DON'T MAINTAIN LARGE RESERVES.

WHEN WE SAW OBVIOUSLY UPTICK RELATED TO COVID, WE DO HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS WITH A LARGER INCREASE AT LEAST SHORT TERM AND MONITOR THE RATES FROM YEAR TO YEAR AS WE DO OUR BUDGET.

RETIREMENT RATES ARE MANDATED BY THE STATE AND WE PARTICIPATE IN THE FRS SYSTEM. WE ARE MAINTAINING THE EXISTING WORKERS' COMPENSATION RATES. THE NEXT ONE I CERTAINLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE THERE ARE NO AUTOMATIC INCREASES IN OUR OPERATE EXPENDITURES. THERE'S NO EVERYBODY GETS A 2% IN OPERATING OR COMMUNICATIONS OR REFUSE.

WE LOOK AT EACH LINE ITEM SPECIFICALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPROPRIATIONS ARE THERE. SO WE DO IN OUR DEPARTMENT A FAIRLY DEEP DIVE INTO WHAT TYPES OF OPERATING EXPENSES THAT EACH DEPARTMENT HAS AND WE APPROPRIATE ACCORDINGLY.

THEY WERE AND CHANGES WE WILL TALK ABOUT AND I WILL MENTION

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THE IDEA HERE IS TO BUILD AN ANNUAL BUDGET.

WE DON'T WANT TO RESPOND SHORT TERM TO THE FUEL PRICES GOING UP AND DOWN AND CERTAINLY IF WE, IF THE OVERALL FUEL PRICES COME DOWN FOR NEXT YEAR, DEPARTMENTS, WE CONTAIN THE COSTS AND APPROPRIATIONS SO DEPARTMENTS MAY NOT USE IN OTHER AREAS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IN THE PUBLICITY XAFT AREA-- SAFETY ARO UTILIZE VEHICLES THAT THE APPROPRIATIONS ARE THERE.

WE CONTINUE OUR FUNDING FOR OUR CAPITAL REPAIR AND REPLACEMENTS.

THERE'S EMPHASIS THIS YEAR ON OUR MAINTENANCE AND R & R PROGRAM AS WELL. REALLY IN ORDER TO SURVIVE NOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMPUTER REPLACEMENT IN THE YEARS WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A RECESSION WHERE WE DEFERRED THAT, WE HAVE SUFFERED THERE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES.

SO FIVE YEAR COMPUTER REPLACEMENT KEEPS US IN LINE WITH CHANGES AND THERE'S EQUIPMENT RECOMMENDED IN THE BUDGET. I WILL TALK A LITTLE MORE THIS ROUNDABOUT OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

I HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES THAT EMPHASIZE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS. THERE IS A SOLID WASTE ASSESSMENT INCREASE THAT I BELIEVE IS GOING TO COME UP IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER RELATED TO RESIDENTIAL AND RECYCLING COLLECTION COSTS. WE HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATES THAT ARE COMING FORWARD AND THEY ARE RELATED TO THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BEACH DO YOU KNOW PROJECT THAT THE BOARD APPROVED IN JANUARY. WE WENT FORWARD AND GOT THE FINANCING. THAT PROJECT IS COMPLETE I BELIEVE NOW AND ACTUALLY CAME IN WITH SAVINGS BUT ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOW THAT PROJECT WAS GOING TO BE FUNDED, ARE TWO MILLAGE RATES THAT I WILL CERTAINLY MENTION LATER IN THE DISCUSSION.

AND WILL BE FOR THE COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION ON AUGUST SECONDAND THEN CERTAINLY WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN HEALTHY RESERVES AND CREDIT RATINGS WHEN WE NEED TO GO TO THE BOND MARKET OR BORROW. SINCE THE ADMINISTRATORS WORKSHOP, WE LOOKED AT THE GAS OIL AND LUBE AS WELL AS THE ASSOCIATED WITH FUEL UTILITY LINES TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SUFFICIENT APPROPRIATIONS FOR NEXT YEAR.

AT THE WORKSHOP, THE ONLY FUND THAT WAS NOT BALANCED WAS THE GENERAL FUND AND THAT'S BECAUSE AT THE TIME OF THE WORKSHOP, WE DON'T HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER REQUESTS.

QUITE FRANKLY IT'S ENOUGH TO GO THROUGH THE BOARD'S REQUEST AT THIS WORKSHOP AND DGIVES US A CHANCE TO HEAR FROM THE BCCS.

AT THIS POINT, THE GENERAL FUND IS BALANCED.

WE HAVE RAISED MAINTENANCE PROPOSITIONS FOR OUR EXISTING CAMPUS THIS IS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE CAMPUSES.

OUR GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS AS WELL AS OUR RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.

FOR OUR GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, THEY ARE GETTING OLDER.

WE HAVE NOT BUILT REALLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE FACILITY FOR SOME TIME AND WE ARE STARTING TO EXPERIENCE WHAT I WOULD SAY IS GROWING PAINS. WE HAVE HEARD FROM DEPARTMENTS AS WELL AS COMMISION BLOCKER LAST YEAR HELD A MEETING WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS NEEDS.ENTATIVES REGARDING SPACE- WE'RE FINDING THAT A LOT OF AREAS ARE NOW SUDDENLY GROWING INTO THE SPACE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DO WE EXPAND? AND OR DO WE OPTIMIZE SPACE? THERE'S A SPACE NEEDS ANALYSIS THAT IS IN THE FY '23 BUDGET PLAN FOR BOTH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONS DEPARTMENTS AND AREAS AS WELL AS THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS.

THAT CAME UP KIND OF AS A TREND OR THEME OVER THE COURSE OF THE THREE DAYS OF WORKSHOP WHERE WE LISTENED TO THE GROWING PAINS.

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IT'S A BAD TIME TO BUY A VEHICLE.

I KNOW BECAUSE I'M LOOKING FOR ONE FOR MY 18-YEAR OLD NOW AND IT'S NOT A GOOD TIME TO GO OUT THERE AND LOOK FOR A VEHICLE.

I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A NATIONAL, NOT A PERSONAL THING BUT A NATIONAL CONCERN. THE INVENTORY IS NOT THERE AND PRICES ARE HIGH. OMB WORKS TO DETERMINE WHAT VEHICLES COULD BE DEFERRED FOR ANOTHER YEAR VERSUS THOSE THAT ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE REPLACED. CERTAINLY WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SEE A PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLE, OR AMBULANCE, SOME OF THAT NATURE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD ON THE WAY TO A RESPONSE.

THE ONLY OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING MOVING TO THE FINAL BUDGET THAT COMES FROM OUR AREA IS THERE'S AN INDIRECT COST RECOVERY RATE AND IT'S MORE OF AN ACCOUNTING REQUIREMENT THAT WE ARE COMPLETING WITH OUR CONSULTANT THAT WILL UPDATE AND THOSE REFLECT THE ABILITY OF THE GENERAL FUND TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO OTHER GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS. SO WE'LL UPDATE THAT AS WELL AS AN UPDATE TO THE SERIES 2022 DEBT SERVICE SO THERE WAS A REFINANCING THAT THE BOARD APPROVED LAST YEAR THAT HAD A SAVINGS THAT OCCURRED THIS YEAR. IT WAS KIND OF A TWO-PHASED YOU APPROVED AND I WILL PROVIDE THE UPDATE ON THAT IN A WHITE PAPER AS TO THE ADDITIONAL REFINANCING SAFERINGS THAT OCCURRED I BELIEVE TWO WEEKS AGO. SO GOING INTO THE BUDGET SUMMARIES AND THE DETAIL OF THESE BUDGET SUMMARIES CAN BE FOUND ONLINE OR IN THE SUMMARY SECTION OF THE WORK BOOK.

YOU CAN SEE WE FURTHER REDUCED IN THE VEHICLE AREA BUT REDUCED CAPITAL AS WELL. WE'RE MAINTAINING OUR R AND R.

ANOTHER 11% FROM THE WORKSHOP. GOING INTO THE CAPITAL PROGRAM, WE HAVE A RATHER LARGE PROGRAM GOING INTO 2023.

ONE OF BIGGEST ONES IS INCLUDED IN THAT SECOND TO LAST LINE.

191 MILLION DOLLARS WHICH IS IN THE UTILITIES SERVICES PROGRAM.

IT'S ABOUT 130 MILLION DOLLARS OF BORROWING AND UTILITIES HAS BRIEFED THE BOARD INITIALLY ON THAT IN A UTILITY PLANNING DISCUSSION. BUT THEY HAVE, THAT IS THE OFF OF STATE ROAD 207, THAT IS PUTTING IN MAJOR WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IN THERE.

THAT SHOULD BE COMING UP IN THE NEXT QUARTER OR SO.

I JUST THOUGHT TO HIGHLIGHT THE PROJECTS WE'RE SEEING IN THERE.

UNDER THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, AND REALLY AS WELL WHERE THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM.

THE SHERIFF'S HAS AN ADDITIONAL PHASE.

THE SHERIFF'S FACILITY HAS BEEN IN MULTIPLE PHASES.

SO THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 5 MILLION FOR A SERVICE FACILITY.

THAT IS FUNDED OUT OF GENERAL FUND.

THERE'S TWO MILLION DOLLARS IN AGAIN, THIS IS THE SPACE NEEDS ANALYSIS. UP TO 2 MILLION DOLLARS THAT THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS REQUIRES FOR RENOVATIONS GOING INTO THE 2024 ELECTION. AND SHE HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THOSE NEEDS DURING HER BUDGET PRESENTATION.

SO WE DO A BUILDING IMPACT FEES THERE.

LOOKING IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE A LARGE PERMIT CENTER EXPANSION. WE HAVE AVAILABLE FUNDS WITHIN

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THERE IS A HOUSING COMPLEX AND AGAIN JUST THE HIGHLIGHTS SOME OF THE LARGER ONES THERE. THAT IS BEING FUNDED THROUGH A GRANT PROGRAM. VICTORIA GRANTS AND PARKS AND RECREATION AS WELL AND CASES OF LIBRARY SERVICES.

TOURIST DEVELOPMENT WILL PROVIDE 3 MILLION DOLLARS TO WATER WAY ACCESS THAT ALLOWED THE COMMISSION TO PURCHASE BEACH ACCESS LAND OR PARKING LAND THIS PAST YEAR.

THE ABILITY, THAT OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY RESPOND TO SOME OF THE, AGAIN TO OFF BEACH PARKING AND OR WITH BOAT RAMPS.

THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN THOSE LAND OPPORTUNITY ARISE.

AND THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE PROJECTS HERE THAT I WILL JUST KIND OF, YOU CAN SEE UP HERE. THEY MAY NOT BE THE FULL PROJECT. THEY MAYBE A PHASE OF IT OR ADDITIONAL FUNDING. YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE COMING FROM VARIOUS IMPACT FEES OR TOURIST DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS.

NOT FROM PROPERTY TAXES TOWARDS TWIN CREEKS PARK.

RIVER TOWN PARK. PLANTATION PARK AND TROUT CREEK EXPANSION. GETTING TO PUBLIC SAFETY.

FIRE IMPACT FEES WILL CONTINUE TO ACCUMULATE AND GENERALLY WE WORK WITH FIRE DEPARTMENT TO UTILIZE THOSE CUMULATIVE DOLLARS TOWARDS NEW FIRE STATIONS. AT THIS POINT WE'RE USING FIRE DISTRICT AND SOME GENERAL FUND FOR REALLY JUST AMBULANCE AND FIRE ENGINE REPLACEMENT FOR '23. GOING DOWN INTO PUBLIC WORKS.

THESE ARE NOT THE COMPREHENSIVE PROJECTS WHATSOEVER.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THE USE THERE AND MANY OF THOSE CASES OF ROAD IMPACT FEES, TRANSPORTATION TRUST WHERE WE RECEIVE GAS TAXES TOWARDS THOSE PROJECTS. AND IN SOME CASES, WE'RE USING DEVELOPER DOLLARS AS IN THAT RACE TRACK ROAD PROJECT ON THE BUDGET THERE AND IN UTILITIES, THEY HAVE A LARGE SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM. IN PARTICULAR, 110 MILLION FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT ON STATE ROAD 207 AND ENFORCEMENT ON 207 COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR FINANCING CONSIDERATION AGAIN THIS FALL. SO, WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE MILLAGE FUNDS AND THEIR RESERVES.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN A HEALTHY RESERVE IN THE GENERAL FUND. IT GETS AWAY FROM US BUT SHORT TERM FOR MANY OF US AND IT IS THE GENERAL FUND THAT ALLOWS US TO RESPOND DURING HURRICANE SEASON.

WE HAVE BEEN IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE LEVERAGED A GOOD PORTION I WILL SAY BACK AT HURRICANE MATTHEW AND THEN HURRICANE IRMA WHERE WE LEVERAGED A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY TOWARD THAT RESPONSE.

I WILL ALSO KIND OF REMIND THE PUBLIC, WE WERE ONE OF A FEW COUNTIES THAT ACTUALLY HAD THE LEVERAGE DEBT TO RESPOND TO OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE. SO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN UNRESTRICTED RESERVES FOR THOSE RESPONSES AS WELL AS THE LEVEL OF THAT TARGETED RESERVE CERTAINLY THOSE UNRESTRICTED RESERVES ALLOW THE COMMISSION TO RESPOND TO NEEDS AS THEY ARISE AND I HIGHLIGHTED HERE, OUR TRANSPORTATION RESERVES.

TRANSPORTATION CERTAINLY HAS A LARGE TRANSPARENCY PROGRAM INCLUDING DRAINAGE AND ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE AND YOU CAN SEE WHILE THEY ADDRESS IT A PORTION FROM YEAR TO YEAR, OUR UNRESTRICTED RESERVES UP THERE ARE AT ABOUT 11 POINT TWO.

THAT'S ACCUM CUMULATIVE. FIRE DISTRICT RESERVES.

CUMULATIVE, 3.9 MILLION AND HAVE TO MAINTAIN A LARGE TARGETED RESERVE. THEIR BIGGEST COST IN THERE ARE FIRE RESCUE EMPLOYEES. THAT'S ABOUT 80% OF THE COST OVERALL OF THAT IS REALLY THE FIREFIGHTERS THEMSELVES.

BUT OVERALL, I WOULD SAY HEALTHY RESERVES FOR THE COUNTY IN OUR

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THERE IS NO RESERVE REQUIREMENT THEREFORE WE DON'T MAINTAIN ONE.

THAT IS A VERY QUICK OVERVIEW. CERTAINLY WE SPENT THREE DAYS GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET. REALLY AGAIN DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM.

SO, AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AND THE PUBLIC THE SENSE OF WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.

SO ON AUGUST SECOND, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES FOR FISCAL YEAR '23.

SO, THE FISCAL YEAR '23 RECOMMENDED BUDGET OBVIOUSLY IS PREDICATED ON THOSE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES UPON NO REQUIREMENT FOR ANY ACTION TODAY.

BUT ON AUGUST SECOND, I WILL BE BACK AND WE WILL TAKE ACTION TO SET THOSE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES.

THRE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR US TO DISCUSS THE CALCULATED ROLL BACK RATE AND SO WE HAVE THAT AS PART OF THIS STATUTORY DISCUSSION AS WELL AS ESTABLISHING THE DATE, TIME AND LOCATION OF THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FISCAL YEAR '23 TENTATIVE BUDGET AND WILL ALIGN WITH THE COMMISSION'S FIRST MEETING, FIRST TUESDAY MEETING IN SEPTEMBER THAT EVENING AT 5:01.

THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WHO USES THAT INFORMATION TO SEND OUT WHAT WE CALL THE TRIM NOTICE OR THE DRAFT TAX BILL AND THEN ONCE THOSE RATES ARE ESTABLISHED AUGUST SECOND, AGAIN THERE'S NO MOTION TODAY, THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES CAN BE REDUCED AND CANNOT BE INCREASED OR NOT RECOMMENDED THEY BE INCREASED WITHOUT A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT TO GO THROUGH ADDITIONAL PROCESS.

SO WE CAN SET ON AUGUST SECOND THE CEILING AND THEY CAN COME DOWN FROM THERE. THE COMMISSION HAS AFTER THE SECOND TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING IT IS MILLAGE RATE DOWN.

THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF TIME IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

THE ROLL BACK RATES EFFECT SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS GOING ON UP HERE. I SHOW THE INCREMENTAL RECOMMENDED PROPERTY TAX THAT WAS PROVIDED ON AN EARLIER SLIDE ABOUT 35 POINT 9 MILLION. IF WE WENT TO ROLL BACK RATE, WHICH IS NOT RECOMMENDED, THE STAFF DID NOT RECOMMEND THAT.

IT WOULD BRING THAT 39 DOWN TO ABOUT 9 POINT THREE MILLION AND THERE'S THE REDUCTION THERE. THE GENERAL FUND THE CRAS WOULD SEE THE LARGEST REDUCTION OF 20 MILLION DOLLARS.

I WILL SAY WE CERTAINLY SAW GROWTH IN OUR OVERALL OPERATIONS. INCLUDING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, ALL THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. CERTAINLY THE BOARD.

WE DID NOT FULLY GROW INTO THIS. WE CERTAINLY KEEP A LEVEL BACK TO ENSURE THAT WE ADDRESS FUTURE ITEMS THAT ARE COMING UP.

BUT, THE BUDGET THAT WE BUILT HERE DOES NOT REFLECT ROLL BACK RATE. AS A DEFINITION IS SETTING A MILLAGE RATE THAT PROVIDES THE SAME LEVEL OF PROPERTY TAXES AS THE PRIOR YEAR. IT DOESN'T CONSIDER TWO ITEMS. ONE OF THEM IS NEW CONSTRUCTION WHICH CAME IN AT 5%.

OR IT ACTUALLY HAS A FACTOR FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THERE I'M SORRY. WHAT IT DOESN'T CONSIDER IS INFLATION. THIS IS ONE OF FIRST YEARS WE'RE BRINGING UP INFLATION. NOT AS AN EXCUSE BUT A FACTOR WE ADDRESSING. WE TALK IN THE HALLS ABOUT GOING TO THE PUBLIX OR WINN DIXIE. INFLATION IS A VERY REAL FACTOR AND A ROLL BACK RATE DOES NOT PROVIDE INFLATIONARY FACTORS.

WE ARE ADDRESSING AS A COMMUNITY AND CERTAINLY ON A NATIONAL LEVEL A LARGE AND WHAT SEEMS TO BE CONTINUOUS, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE SHORT TERM AT LEAST FOR THIS BUDGET, WE'RE ADDRESSING LARGE INFLATIONARY FACTORS AFFECTIING US.

THIS IS THE CONSIDERATION IF THE COMMISSION WENT TO ROLL BACK RATE. THAT'S THE EXTREME ON THIS.

AND THE DISCUSSIONS. BUT, AUGUST SECOND WE'LL LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THIS. I WILL DISCUSS THE ROLL BACK

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I WILL CITE THE MILLAGE RATES AND ASK FOR A MOTION TO,A PROVE THE MILLAGE RATES FOR 2023. THE SECOND MOTION IS TO AUTHORIZE THE COMPLETION WHAT IS CALLED THE FORM D R 420 WHICH ESTABLISH THE RATE AND ESTABLISHES THE DATE OF THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO ADOPT THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGET.

ON THE SIDE IS OUR PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023 AND WE DO HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT THE AGGREGATE AND I WILL GO OVER THOSE ON THE SECOND. THE AGGREGATE MILLAGE RATE AS WELL AS THE AGGREGATE ROLL BACK RATE.

RIGHT ABOVE THOSE. TWO UP IS TWO NEW MILLAGE RATES BEING ESTABLISHED AGAIN FOR FISCAL YEAR '23, RELATED TO THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA DUNE AND BEACH RESTORATION APPROVED AND COMPLETED THIS YEAR. THERE WOULD BE A MILLAGE RATE ESTABLISHED TO COVER THE EXISTING DEBT SERVICE, I BELIEVE FOR 9 YEARS ON THAT. SO THE MILLAGE RATES AND WE CAN, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE NEW FOR THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA DUNE AND BEACH RESTORATION IS 2 POINT 62 MILLS AND THE SER NATA BEACH IS 0.55 MILLS.

THOSE ARE NEW THAT WILL BE PROPOSED THIS YEAR.

WITH THAT, THAT'S THE OVERVIEW OF THE BUDGET.

I'M CERTAINLY HERE FOR QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSION MAY HAVE.

>> ARE THERE AND QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT?

>> BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, I WANT TO GO RIGHT BACK TO JESSE'S POINT THE MILLAGE RATE FOR THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA PROJECT. IT'S CURRENTLY LISTED ON THAT AS 2 POINT 62 MILLS. IF YOU REMEMBER BACK IN JANUARY WE APPROVED, THIS IS THE 1-TIME PLACEMENT OF SAND BETWEEN SER NATA BEACH CLUB. IT'S WHAT I REFERRED AS THE RED HEADED STEPCHILD OR RODNEY DANGER FIELD OF BEACH RENOURISHMENT. THE MSTU IS ONLY HALF A MILL.

IF THEIR BEACH GETS WIPED OUT LIKE LAST FALL, THE CORPS COMES IN AND REPLACES IT RESTORM CONDITION.

THEY'RE ONLY PAYING HALF A MILL. NORTH OF THIS ONE-TIME PROJECT, ALL THE WAY TO DUVAL COUNTY, THE FEMA BURN ENHANCEMENT IS BEING DONE AND IT'S WELL ON ITS WAY TO COMPLETION AT NO COST TO THOSE HOMEOWNERS. THIS STRETCH, THIS SIX-MILE STRETCH WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE FEMA BERM ENHANCEMENT PROJECT.

IT NEVER REACHED CONSTRUCTION OR COMPLETION.

AS MUCH AS JOE G AND I ARGUED WITH FEMA, THEY WOULDN'T AGREE WITH US. IT MAYBE APPROVED BUT IT AIN'T GETTING DONE YET. SO, HERE'S THIS SIX-MILE STRETCH TO THE SOUTH OF THEM, THEY HAVE A FEDERAL PROJECT FOR A 50-YEAR PERIOD WITH ONLY HALF A MILL ASSESSMENT.

TO THE NORTH OF THEM, THEY HAVE A NINE-MILE STRETCH WHICH WAS THE SUBJECT OF THE FEMA BERM ENHANCEMENT AT NO COST TO THE HOMEOWNER. THEY WERE ORIGINALLY WE THOUGHT LOOKING AT FOUR MILLS. WE GOT THAT DOWN TO 2 POINT 62 LOOKS LIKE. SO MY GOAL AND I MENTIONED THIS AGAIN WHEN WE HAD OUR MAY WORKSHOPS IN THE AG CENTER.

SEVERAL WERE IN ATTENDANCE. I THINK WE HAD ONE OR TWO MISSING. I MADE THE PITCH THEN THAT RATHER THAT WE NEEDED TO INCREASE THE BED TAX REVENUE BECAUSE WE HAVE A ROBUST INCREASE IN THE BED TAX REVENUES THIS YEAR OVER LAST YEAR. 50% INCREASE THAT IF WE SIMPLY ADDAN ADDITIONAL 107000 DOLLARS FROM THE BED TAX.

NOT AD VALOREM, BUT FROM THE BED TAX WHICH IS QUITE ROBUST, THE BALANCE IS, WE CAN BRING DOWN THAT SOUTH PONTE VEDRA DUNE AND BEACH RESTORATION MSTU TO 2 MILLS.

SO, THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD ONLY BE PAYING TWO MILLS.

WHEN I SAY ONLY, I'M TALKING ABOUT TO THE SOUTH.

THEY'RE ONLY PAYING HALF A MILL. SO FOR THOSE WHO HAVE RAISED THE

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I HOPE I HAVE MADE A SALIENT ARGUMENT THAT ONE WOULD AGREE WE SHOULD PROVIDE A 2 MILL LEVY TO THE MSTU.

I LOOK FOR MY BOARD COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.

CHRISTIAN. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

THE POINT 62 MILLS, WHAT DOES THAT EQUATE TO?

>> 107000 DOLLARS. >> SUPPLEMENTED BY TOURIST TAX

DOLLARS BY CATEGORY 5? >> YEAH.

>> FANTASTIC. >> JEREMIAH.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK IT MAKES GREAT SENSE TO DO THAT.

I THINK YOUR ARGUMENT IS ON POINT AND I SUPPORT IT.

>> ALL RIGHT. JESSE, THAT NUMBER COULD INCREASE EVERY YEAR BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH A MILLAGE

RATE? >> YEAH, WE COULD LOOK AT FROM YEAR TO YEAR. BASED ON THE CURRENT VALUATION AND THAT WAS ASKED DURING THE WOR WORKSHOP. WHAT WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL TDT. JO THIS YEAR.

>> THE DEBT SERVICE REMAINS THE SAME.

IT'S THE VALUATION THAT CHANGES. >> THANK YOU.

AS A FOOTNOTE, I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE HAVE CHANGE TO THE SER NATA BEACH CLUB. THAT'S VERY FAIR.

BECAUSE THAT'S AGAIN SORT OF HALF A MILL JUST LIKE THE SOUTH.

OKAY. JESSE IS THAT GOOD?

>> I'M GOING TO LOOK TO COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

IS THAT CONSENSUS. >> YOU HAVE DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD. I WOULD WAIT UNTIL PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND BRING THIS UP BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT SO PUBLIC COMMENT IF THEY WISH CAN SPEAK TO IT TOO. AND NOT SUGGEST THAT I BROUGHT IT UP AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I'M GOING TO JUMP IN THERE TOO. I HAVE AN ASK OF MY OWN IF

THAT'S OKAY. >> IF WE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, CHANGES SO PUBLIC COMMENT CAN RESPOND TO ANYTHING WE

DISCUSSED. >> PERFECT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF I COULD GET MY BOARD MEMBER SUPPORT TO THE WHITNEY LABORATORY. IT'S FOR ALL STRANDED SEA TURTLES. TRAINING THE COUNTY STAFF AND HANDS ON YOUTH TRAINING. WITH THE SUPPORT OF 35 THOUSAND DOLLARS THREE YEAR PILOT PROGRAM, THE LAB WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR TO MANAGE 40 VOLUNTEERS TO DELIVER TRAINS AND CONSERVATION.

I KNOW MY CHILDREN AND MANY OF THE CHILDREN IN ST. JOHNS ENJOY THEIR PROGRAMS AND KNOWLEDGE THEY GAIN FROM THESE PROGRAMS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD LOOK AT THIS AS A POSSIBLE ADD ON IN A CONTRACT AND DELIVERABLES SPECIFIC TO SEA TURTLES AND CONSERVATION AND YOUTH TRAINING.

>> ANY BOARD COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OF COMMISSIONER

ARNOLD? >> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I COMPLETELY AGREE, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, THE WHITNEY LAB IS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND A LOT OF TIMES WE FORGET ABOUT IT.

IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE THAT TO TAKE YOUR FAMILY DOWN THERE AND SEE THE SEA TURTLE HOSPITAL. IT'S EXCITING.

THEY ARE DOING CUTTING-EDGE THINGS AND PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.

THAT'S A GREAT IDEA AND FULLY SUPPORT IT.

>> OKAY. PAUL.

>> YES, SIR. THE ONLY THING I SAY, THERE'S AIL OF INTANGIBLES WHAT THEY DO WITH IT.

ONE CONCERN IS A LOT IS NOT ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

A LOT OF IT IS IN FLAGLER COUNTY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT SUPPORT THEY LEND TO IT.

I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO FIND OUT IF WE COULD TOO.

IF FLAGLER COUNTY OR THE CITY OF MARINE LAND, WHAT THEY ARE

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IT IS A GREAT ORGANIZATION FAR AS THAT GOES.

>> THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. I BEING IT'S FANTASTIC.

105000 DOLLARS OVER THREE YEARS IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET.

WHERE WOULD WE TAKE THE MONEY FROM? IT WASN'T PROGRAMMED INTO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

WE ARE TAKING AND SOMETHING AND PUTTING INTO THE WHITNEY LAB.

WHERE WOULD THAT? DO WE HAVE A SUGGESTION?

>> NOT AT THIS TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH STAFF.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE WE'RE TAKING FROM.

CONCEPTUALLY, I SUPPORT IT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

>> WE CAN TALK TO STAFF. ONE IDEA WE LOOK AT GENERAL REVENUE. WE HAVE SOME WE COULD PUT TOWARDS THAT. THAT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OVER THREE

YEARS. >> ALL RIGHT.

LET ME SAY THAT I STRONGLY SUPPORT YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, AND SINCE IT'S BEEN AT LEAST 12 YEARS SINCE I SERVED ON THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF WHITNEY LAB, I DON'T THINK IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR ME TO SUPPORT THIS.

>> IT IS NOT. >> IT'S A WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION AND THE SEA TURTLE PROGRAM. I WOULD STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS REQUEST. THAT'S THE CONSENSUS.

ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> IT'S THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 13. THE BUDGET.

IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK YOU CAN USE EITHER ONE OF THE

TWO PODIUMS. >> B.J. KLATY, WEST CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE. I WANT THE PUBLIC TO THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT INFLATION AND YET WE GOT TO FIND MONEY TO DO WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO DO.

SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INFLATION AND THEN AGAIN IN NOVEMBER WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT A SALES TAX.

DOESN'T QUITE ADD UP TO ME. ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 13. >> THANK YOU.

I BELIEVE THIS WAS JUST FOR INFORMATION ONLY JESSE, IS THAT CORRECT? JESSE GOOD JOB.

THANK YOU. THAT WAS VERY THOROUGH AND RIGHT ON POINT. THAT TAKES US TO I BELIEVE 14.

>> THAT WAS 13 WAS IT NOT? >> YEP.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS, JOANNE SPENCER, ASSISTANT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. I'M HERE TO PRESENT ITEM 14.

CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD.

THERE'S CURRENTLY TWO VACANCIES ON THE BOARD.

ONE DUE TO EXPIRED TERM, THE OTHER RESIGNATION.

PLEASE FIND ATTACH FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION TWO LATERS OF RECOMMENDATION AND EIGHT APPLICATIONS.

>> JOANNE, BEFORE WE CONTINUE, WAS THERE ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL WHO WISHED TO SPEAK ON THE BUDGET? YOU HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE MOST OF THE DAY. I DON'T WANT TO OVERLOOK YOU.

IF YOU WERE HERE. I GUESS WE WENT PRETTY QUICK.

>> MY APOLOGIES, I DIDN'T SEE YOU BACK THERE.

I THINK WE WERE TOO QUICK. >> YOU WERE REALLY FAST.

HI. I AM REBECCA TOWNSEND.

I SPOKE WITH Y'ALL BACK AT THE WORKSHOP FOR THE BART RAM TRAIL LIBRARY. I AM THE DISTRICT ONE LAB

MEMBER. >> WOULD YOU MIND GIVING US YOUR ADDRESS. 708 OCOVE COURT, JULIAN CREEK PLANTATION. I WANTED TO BRING UP ADD FIGURES. THE GROWTH HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL THIS YEAR AS YOU ALL KNOW. WE JUST CAME OUT WITH NEW NUMBERS AT OUR LAST BOARD MEETING IN JULY.

THIS YEAR BARTH RAM TRAIL REALLY NEEDS HELP.

THEY ARE REQUESTING TWO POINT FOUR FULL TIME EQUIVALENT POSITIONS FOR THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

THAT LIBRARY TURNED OUT 570 CARDS INTO NEW LIBRARY CARDS.

PEOPLE MOVING IN NEW. THEY WEREN'T PEOPLE RENEWING THAT LIVED AROUND THE AREA BUT NEW.

THAT WAS A RECORD FOR ANY LIBRARY IN OUR ENTIRE SYSTEM.

AT THIS RATE, THEY HAVE ISSUED 1672 NEW LIBRARY CARDS THIS YEAR AND LEADS THEM TO LOOKING AT TURNING OUT 3300 LIBRARY CARDS FOR THE LITTLE LIBRARY. THAT LIBRARY DELIVERS OVER 30% OF THE BUSINESS FOR OUR LIBRARIES HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT'S THE HIGHEST SERVICE

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THE BUILDING HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL AND NOT STOPPING.

OUR INFORMATION DESK WAS CLOSED 19 HOURS IN JUNE BECAUSE WE NEEDED THAT TO ASSIST OUR CIRCULATION AREA.

THE CHILDREN'S DESK IS ALSO GOING UNSTAFFED.

AGAIN WE'RE OVERWHELMED AND DON'T HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO SENT THE PEOPLE COMING IN. 18 OF ST. JOHNS 48 PUBLIC SCHOOLS, 37 POINT 5% ARE IN OUR SERVICE AREA.

WE HAVE THE HIGHEST SERVICE POPULATION OF ANY BRANCH.

WE ARE LOOKING AT 2027 OF POSSIBLY BEING 19,000 CITIZENS PER CIRCULATION STAFF MEMBER AS IT GROWS.

WE HAD A FIVE-WEEK CLOSER LAST YEAR FOR ROOF REPLACEMENT AND YET WERE STILL RUNNING 30% CIRCULATION.

AT THIS PACE, WE LOOKED TO INCREASE OUR CHECK IN AND OUTS UP TO 92,000 THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR WE FORECASTED FOR

[14. Consider appointments to the Cultural Resource Review Board. ]

THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING OUR ST. JOHNS COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARIES.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO.

CAN WE GO BACK TO I CUT YOU OFF IN MID STREAM JOANNE.

>> NO WORRIES. QUICK TO HOP UP HERE.

AGAIN, I AM HERE TO CONSIDER FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD.

AS I STATED BEFORE, THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES ON THIS BOARD.

THE VACANCY ADS WERE PLACED AND RAN FR 30 DAYS.

PLEASE FIND TWO RECOMMENDATIONS AND EIGHT APPLICATIONS.

>> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 14. ANYBODY WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 14. COME FORWARD.

SEEING NONE. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> IS THERE A MOTION ON 14?

>> YES, SIR, I WILL MAKE A MOTION.

MOTION TO REAPPOINT CHRISTINE NEWMAN TO THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD FOR A FULL FOUR YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE

JULY 19, >> SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT IS APPROVED 5-0.

>> CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION ON THE SECOND ONE THAT WE CHANGE

FROM 2023 TO JULY 19, 2026? >> SO WE'RE NOT ONE YEAR INSTEAD OF BEING ONE YEAR. DO WE HAVA TO WAIVE A POLICY ON

THAT? >> IS THIS STILL ON 14?

>> THIS IS ON 14. THE SECOND ONE.

THEY HAPPEN TO EXPIRE WITHIN A YEAR.

I WOULD RATHER NOT BE BACK HERE WITH THE SAME PERSON.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IT LIKE THAT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ORDINANCE SET UP THE TERMS TO BE STAGGERED.

[15. Consider appointment to the Housing Finance Authority. ]

STAGGERED. >> MOTION TO APPOINT BLAIR KNIGHTING FOR A PARTIAL TERM TO ENTIRE AUGUST 20, 2023.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5 ~-~ 0.

>> ITEM 15 CONSIDER APPOINTMENT TO THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY. CURRENTLY THERE'S ONE VACANCY.

THE AD RAN FOR 30 DAYS. PLEASE FIND A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY AND FOUR APPLICATIONS. THERE'S ONE CAVEAT ON THIS.

IN SECTION 159 POINT 659. TERMS SHALL BE FOUR YEARS.

THIS WILL BE A REAPPOINTMENT AS MELINDA PEOPLES AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. IF YOU CONSIDER TO REAPPOINT HER, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SUSPEND THE RULE 2.203.

IS THERE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT? >> YES.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION -- >> FIRST --

>> IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO SUSPEND.

>> IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A MOTION, I WASN'T GOING TO DO THE

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NOW WE NEED TO WAIVE THE RULE? >> MOTION TO SUSPEND BOARD RULE TWO POINT 203, LIMITING TERMS OF SERVICE TO TWO

TERMS. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE MOTION AND ALL IN FAVOR SAY

>> AYE. >> I DON'T THINK SO.

PUBLIC COMMENT? ON WAIVING THE RULE?

>> NO. JUST PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE SOMEONE IS APPOINTED. NOT ON PROCEDURAL ASPECTS.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> THE RULE IS WAIVED.

SO NOW, WE HAVE, NOW PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> PUBLIC COMMENT THEN WE WILL HAVE A MOTION.

>> WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 15.

APPOINTMENT TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.

>> SEEING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAD THE MOTION.

AND THE SECOND. SO NOW WE WILL VOTE ON THE APPOINTMENT. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES-5-0. >> I HAVE TO MOVE TO REAPPOINT.

>> MR. CHAIR, I BELIEVE YOU GUYS HAVE APPROVED SUSPENDING THE RULES. NOW WE NEED A SECOND MOTION FOR

THE REAPPOINTMENT. >> I MOVE TO REAPPOINT MELINDA PEOPLES TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY FOR A FULL FOUR YEAR TERM TO

EXPIRE JULY 20, 2026. >> NOW WE CAN VOTE.

PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

IT'S APPROVED. THE AFTERNOON IS GETTING AWAY FROM ME. I'M GETTING SLEEPY.

DOES THAT COMPLETE 15? >> ONE MORE.

>> I THINK WE HAVE TO REINSTATE THE RULE.

[16. Consider appointment to the Tourist Development Council. ]

>> WE DO. GOOD POINT.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO REINSTATE BOARD RULE 2 POINT 203 C, LIMITING TERMS OF SERVICE TO TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND TO REINSTATE. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES. THAT PASSES 5-0.

I THINK THAT TAKES US TO 16. L LAST BUT NOT LEAST. APPOINTMENT TO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. ONE VACANCY IS AVAILABLE.

THE TD C REVIEWED 13 APPLICATIONS AND RECOMMEND REGINA PHILLIPS AS NONACCOMMODATION REPRESENTATIVE.

PLEASE SEE ATTACHED AND REVIEW FROM THE TDC AND 13

APPLICATIONS. >> ALL RIGHT.

PUBLIC COMMENT? >> WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 16. ANYBODY WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

MR. BARRENBURG. WELCOME.

712 MILL STREAM ROAD. IT'S BEEN MY GREAT HONOR TO SERVE ON THE TDC FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

I MAYBE A YEAR TOO MUCH. PAUL?

>> I HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.

>> AND BECAUSE THIS IS MY SEAT OR FORMERLY MY SEAT, I DID SOME RECRUITING ON THIS POSITION THINKING IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THINKING THE PERSON THAT TAKES MY SEAT IS FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMUNITY AND UNDERSTANDS THE NEED OF THE TDC.

I FOUND REGINA PHILLIPS FROM THE LINCOLN TOWN MUSEUM AND RECRUITED HER TO APPLY AND KINDLY THE TDC BOARD HAS APPROVED HER APPLICATION. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THAT I HAD TO SERVE THE COUNTY AND I HOPE YOU'LL

MOVE GAYLE INTO THE POSITION. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE.

WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 16.

>> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO SAY I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY AND PRIVILEGE OF KNOWING GAYLE PHILLIPS FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS. WE WORKED ON SEVERAL COMMUNITY ISSUES TOGETHER AND I WOULD JUST, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE TDC RECOMMENDATION AND APPOINT HER.

I JUST HAD TO GET THAT IN, PAUL. SINCE YOU'RE THE TDC.

>> WE WILL DO MOTION TO APPOINT MS. REGINA GAYLE PHILLIPS TO

[County Administrator’s Report]

>> SECOND. >> I WANTED TO SECOND THAT.

>> GO FOR IT. >> THERE'S VOTE.

>> YOU HAVE THREE SECONDS. >> YOU WORRY IF IT DOESN'T

PASS. >> MY THING IS BROKEN.

5-0. GAYLE PHILLIPS.

TDC. I THINK THAT COMPLETES THE

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IS THIS A TIME TO BRING UP THE POTENTIAL ACQUISITION ITEM WE

DISCUSSED THIS WEEK? >> I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY BRING IT UP IN ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS.

I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS OR WAIT UNTIL ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO GET IT, IT'S AN AGENDA ITEM.

IF Y'ALL DON'T MIND. LET'S GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY.

IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE PROJECTS.

IT'S GOOD. LET'S TAKE ACTION.

THE SHORT END AND YOU DON'T HAVE IT ON AN AGENDA ITEM IN FRONT OF YOU BECAUSE STAFF WAS MADE AWARE WITHIN THE LAST 10 DAYS OF A POTENTIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THE COUNTY WOULD BE ABLE TO ACQUIRE TO PROVIDE FOR DEEP WATER ACCESS AND POTENTIALLY A LARGE AMOUNT OF RECREATION OR PASSIVE PARK SPACE AS WELL.

SO WHAT I AM ASKING FOR TODAY IS PERMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD, BOARD CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ACQUIRING A PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT TO BRING BACK TO THE BOARD FOR THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL. OBVIOUSLY AT THE TIME, IF WE WERE ABLE TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS, THAT WOULD COME BACK TO THE BOARD TO SEE IT PUBLICLY, THE PARCEL AND THE NEGOTIATED PRICE. YOU WOULD GET A SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE. I DO NEED BOARD CONSENSUS TO GO FORWARD AND DISCUSS WITH THE LANDOWNERS.

IS THERE AND COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

>> YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SAY, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE PIECE OF PROPERTY. THIS PIECE WOULD ALLOW US TO BUILD PROBABLY A BOAT RAMP PARK THAT WOULD BE NUMBER ONE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. IT'S TREMENDOUS.

IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. ANOTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO GET BOARD CONSENSUS ON WOULD BE REQUESTING THAT WE MOVE SOME OF THE EXCESS TDT FUNDS TO THE WATER WAY ACCESS.

WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN OUR BUDGET AND INCREASE THAT AMOUNT TO NOT ONLY ACQUIRE THE LAND BUT MOVE ON AND GET DEVELOPED.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING SINCE YOU AND I GOT ON THE BOARD FOR WATERWAY ACCESS. THIS IS A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY AND I HOPE WE GET CONSENSUS TO LET THE ADMINISTRATE OR NEGOTIATE AND MOVE ON FROM THERE AND BRING IT BACK TO US.

>> I WILL PACKAGE THIS INTO TWO THINGS IN CASE ANYBODY WANTS TO SPLIT THEM UP. TWO THINGS LOOKING FOR.

ONE IS THE APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEGOTIATION OF AN ACQUISITION OF THE PARCEL AND SECONDAR SECONDARILY, USING TDT FUNDS ABOVE PROJECTIONS THIS YEAR TO LOOK INTO ACQUIRING THAT PROPERTY AND MOVE FORWARD WITH AN NEGOTIATED ACQUISITION. NO MATTER WHAT WE DECIDE ON, IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT AND THE BOARD APPROVES THAT TODAY, WE WILL STILL COME BACK WITH THE ACQUISITION AND FUNDING.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? EVERYBODY GOOD? OKAY. YOU GOT A CONSENSUS.

LEGAL, ARE YOU GOOD? I'M SEEING ALL HEADS SHAKING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC. TO OPEN UP NEGOTIATIONS.

HOW DO YOU DISCUSS IT? WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE

PROPERTY? >> I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO SAY

WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. >> THE SMITH.

THE COMMISSIONER DEAN. OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING IS IN THE SUNSHINE. YOU'RE BRIEFED INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE OF NEGOTIATIONS. WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO HAMPER NEGOTIATIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD OR PUT THE COUNTY IN A

BAD POSITION. >> THE SMITH TRACT.

>> YES, SIR. >> B.J. KLATY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE JUST SAID. I WANTED TO KNOW SINCE YOU ALL SEEM TO KNOW THIS FOR THE PUBLIC, WHERE IS THIS PARCEL? IS THAT A SECRET? YOU KNOW, HE KNOWS WE THE PUBLIC DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO WHERE CAN YOU TELL US WHERE THE PARCEL IS OR IS THAT

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. CONRAD, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY, WHAT THE REASON IS THAT YOU

DON'T WANT TO SHARE. >> TO BE, YES, SIR TO BE VERY

[Public Comment]

>> THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION.

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>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU HAVE THE CONSENSUS YOU NEED.

THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT ITEM. AND NOW, WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT ON THE AGENDA. ANY PERSON SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME.

YOU WILL BE PROVIDED WITH 3 MINUTES.

COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER AND CANNOT INCLUDE AN IMMEDIATE DEMAND FOR ANSWER. PERSONAL OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR. MEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN FROM APPROVE OR DISAPPROVAL OF COMMENTS.

PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO THE STAFF FOR THE CLERK OF THE COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD.

THANK YOU. MS. BADGER.

>> HI, SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE.

I JUST WANT TO ENLIGHTEN Y'ALL ABOUT WHAT COMMISSIONER DEAN WAS TALKING ABOUT AND WHY I ORIGINALLY STARTED COMING HERE.

THIS DITCH THEY FILLED IN, THIS IS HEADED TOWARDS 16 ON COLLINS AVENUE. WE'RE ON RABBIT HILL.

THE SECOND HIGHEST ELEVATION IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

OUR WATER USED TO FLOW SOUTH TO THE HIGHWAY UNTIL THIS PROJECT TOOK AWAY A DITCH THAT HELD 266 CUBIC YARDS OF WATER.

IT'S PUT INTO AN 18-INCH PIPE WHICH ONLY HOLDS 19 CUBIC FEET OF WATER. THIS IS A PICTURE.

LET'S SEE, DATED 2019 OF SIX WHEN I FIRST STARTED COMING HERE. AND THESE PICTURES WERE FROM JULY FIRST BEFORE WE HAD THE TORRENTIAL DOWN POURS AND ALL THE EXCESS RAIN WE HAD. I WENT OUT THERE AND NOW THE WATER FLOWS BACK THIS WAY. HAVE PICTURE RIGHT HERE.

USED TO FLOW THAT WAY. HERE'S MORE WATER.

AND MORE WATER. AND NOW THIS WATER COMES INTO MY ADJOINING NEIGHBOR'S YARD AND FIELD.

THIS IS WHY I'M HERE. BECAUSE ONCE Y'ALL APPROVE, WHICH THIS WAS NOT EVEN APPROVED IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PAPERWORK. IT WAS NEVER APPROVED WITH THE TURN LANE. WITHIN OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAD TO STEP IN AND SAY, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TURN LANE WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO DO THIS. OKAY.

AND THEN IT WENT RIGHT IN, MOW MAJOR MODIFICATIONS.

NO COMMISSION HEARING. NO NOTHING.

NO RESPONSIBILITY. OKAY.

LAST YEAR WHEN I CAME OUT HERE, COMMISSIONER DEAN, I BROUGHT MY NEIGHBOR'S PICTURE. THE COUNTY WAS FAST TO JUMP ON IT. FAST TO JUMP ON IT.

FIXING THE NEIGHBOR ADJOINING NEIGHBOR'S BUSINESS WHO HAD WATER COMING IN HIS BUSINESS. OKAY.

THIS RIGHT HERE, YOU SEE A DREW A CIRCLE RIGHT HERE.

YOU HAVE THIS MASSIVE DITCH GOING INTO THIS 18-INCH CULVERT UP HERE. SO NOW YOU HAVE THE WATER SINCE IT CAN'T GO TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY ANYMORE BECAUSE THE ELEVATION IS NOT THAT WAY NO MORE. IT'S THIS WAY.

IT'S COMING OVER THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.

AND OH, HERE'S SOME MORE TRUCKS >> THE COUNTY OR NOBODY CAN'T

STOP. >> I'M SORRY.

MS. BADGER. THAT IS

>> YEAH. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> JOHNNY COUNTS. 9470 BARREL FACTORY ROAD IN CRACKER SWAMP. I JUST WANT TO PUT A PROPOSAL TO THE BOARD AS I HAVE BEEN TRAVELLING WELL EXPLORING NEW ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN THE NORTH END, IT'S CHANGED QUITE A BIT.

I HAVE BEEN GOING AROUND THE COUNTY QUITE A BIT TALKING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE AND WE KNOW IT AND WE HAVE A LOT MORE COMING IN.

AND WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN KNOW ONE ANOTHER REAL GOOD. THEY HAVE ONLY BEEN HERE A FEW YEARS. MOST OF THEM WILL RELATE TO THAT WHEN THEY GET UP HERE AND TELL YOU ABOUT THINGS GOING ON.

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THERE'S A LOT IN THE NORTH END THAT'S GOING TO KIND OF BLEND IN WITH 1, 3 AND 5 UP HERE, OR THE 1-4 AND 5.

AND WE HAVE GOT A LOT DOWN IN THE SOUTH END WHERE I'M AT.

THAT'S GOT A WHOLE DIFFERENT OUTLOOK ON THINGS I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. SO, I WAS DOING SOME THINKING AND WITH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WE GOT, TRYING TO GET THE REPRESENTATION THAT WE NEED, I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO THINK ABOUT MAYBE LOOKING TOWARDS GOING WITH SEVEN COMMISSIONERS.

YOU WOULD GO WITH FIVE WITH THE DISTRICT WITH VOTE EACH REPRESENTATIVE IN THE DISTRICT WOULD VOTE ON THEIR COMMISSIONER AND TWO AT LARGE TO COVER NORTH AND SOUTH AND HOPEFULLY, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO ELECT THOSE THAT WOULD COMPLIMENT EACH END.

I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE THE NORTH END IS GOING TO BE THE RULING LEADERSHIP I GUESS YOU COULD SAY OF THE COUNTY.

BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE DOWN THERE IN THE SOUTH END. WE HAVE A LARGE VERY LARGE SECOND DISTRICT. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT THE BIGGEST AS FAR AS SQUARE ACRES OR MILES OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT. I WANT TO PUT OUT FOR PROPOSAL AND HAVE Y'ALL THINKING ABOUT THAT TOO.

SOMETHING, I THINK WE MIGHT NEED PRETTY SOON IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMING.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

MR. ANYBODY ELSE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND COMMISSIONERS I AM DR. MICHELE PAVLOV SKI. I RESIDE 109 KING QUARRY ROAD.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF MY MAY 17TH, 2022 TESTIMONY CUT OFF DUE TO TIME. WE ALL KNOW THAT MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE STRUGGLING WITH INFLATION.

HOWEVER I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM A PLAN THAT ANTICIPATES THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE SALES TAX WILL NOT GET PASSED.

BY THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, I HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. CONGRESS MAN RUTHERFORD ON THE HOME LAND SECURITY COMMITTEE AND CONGRESSMAN WALT WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NATION'S OLDEST PORT NATIONAL HERITAGE ACT. WE CAN BUILD ON THAT WITH SUPPLEMENTAL LEGISLATION THAT FOCUSING ON THE REQUIREMENT TO PRESERVE OUR HERITAGE BY UNIFYING SEVERAL ELECTRICITYIVE LANGUAGES THAT WOULD UNIFY FUNDING ASPECTS OF THE OPERATIONAL CAPABILITIES OF THE SHERIFF'S NEW COMPLEX BEHIND THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS IDENTIFIED IN THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET PROPOSAL AS PART OF THE SALES TAX INCREASE. BUT HOW DO WE MEET THE FINANCIAL REQUIREMENTS AS IDENTIFIED IN THE SALES TAX INCREASE? THERE IS LINKAGE THAT HAS TO BE COORDINATED.

I AM WILLING TO HELP AT NO COST TO PUT TOGETHER AN UMBRELLA PROPOSAL FOR A SPECIAL GRANT OR SPECIFIC SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET LANGUAGE THAT IS CONGRESSIONALLY LINKED AND TO THE FLORIDA NATIONAL HERITAGE REQUIREMENTS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT CONGRESSMAN RUTHERFORD AND WALT COULD SUPPORT WITH THIS LEGISLATION. BEAUTY ABOUT THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION IS OUR CITIZENS WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY ADDITIONAL SALES TAX TO MEET THE PROPOSED BUDGET BECAUSE THE FUNDS WOULD BE COMING BACK TO THE COUNTY FROM FUNDS ALREADY COLLECTED FROM PREVIOUS ST. JOHNS CITIZENS BEING TAXED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IN ORDER FOR THIS TO WORK, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, I NEED YOU TOGETHER WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO REQUEST THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO ASSIGN SOMEONE IMMEDIATELY TO FULLY COOPERATE IN ACTUALING TOGETHER SUCH A PROPOSAL. I WILL BE WILLING TO HELP STEER IT AT NO COST TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE I HAVE MANAGED AND DEVELOPED MULTIMILLION DOLLARS AND GRANTS WITH FEMA WHEN I WAS WITH THEM AND MANAGED THEM THROUGH THE STATES.

WE WOULD NEED TRANSPARENCY TO THE BUDGET AND WHAT THE SHERIFF'S REQUIREMENTS ARE. BUT IT REQUIRES YOU AND THE ADMINISTRATORS TO SAY OKAY, LET'S GET TOGETHER AND LET'S PUT THIS INITIATIVE AND SEE IF IT CAN WORK OUT.

DO THE TAXPAYERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY A FAVOR AND SEE ABOUT

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>> DOCTOR. MY BUDDY, MICHELE.

LET ME SAY, YOU PIQUED MY INTEREST.

I WOULD LIKE TO GET WITH STAFF AND DIG INTO THIS DEEPER WITH YOU AND MAYBE COME BACK WITH SOME STAFF DISCUSSION OR PRESENTATION. I DON'T HAVE TO JUST LEAVE THIS MYSELF, I NEED MORE INFORMATION. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO BRING BACK POSSIBLY AT THE NEXT MEETING OR FOLLOWING MEETING A STAFF CRITIQUE OR COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

HIS REQUEST. >> EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT?

GREAT. >> WE WILL GET WITH THEM.

>> I WILL BE GLAD TO WORK WITH YOU.

THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. NOW IS THE TIME.

PLEASE COME FORWARD WITH GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> NAME IS BILL HENNESSEY. 5461 FORTH STREET.

WIN SWEPT ACRES COMMUNITY OVER THERE BY THE BOAT RAMP.

AND I GUESS THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT.

IS THIS THE PICTURE, IT'S STILL LISTS PALMETTO ROAD AS A BOAT RAMP. HAVING A HARD TIME FIGURING OUT WHY IT'S BEEN TURNED OVER TO SUNSET LANDING PRETTY MUCH.

I HAVE BEEN COMING HERE SINCE MAY 18 OF 2021.

AND ON THAT DATE, ONE OF THE WOMEN, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS INTO PALMETTO ROAD FOUND A VIOLATION OF INJUNCTION AGAINST ME TO TRY TO HAVE ME THROWN INTO JAIL. JUST SO HAPPENED THE TIME SHE FILLED ALL THAT OUT, I WAS HERE AT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING TALKING TO MR. MCCORMAC. I TRIED TO HER ARRESTED MAKING A FALSE REPORT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT. HERE'S THE THING FROM THE COURT.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU THE LADY IS A HAZARD.

I HAVE BEEN TAKING PICTURES OF THEIR BOAT IN THEIR DRIVEWAY.

THIS IS A 22 FOOTER. I CAN'T HARDLY GET'S 14 FOOTER IN THERE THE WAY THEY GOT SIGNS AND SO FORTH.

WHILE I'M TAKING PICTURES, UP COMES THE GARAGE DOOR AND OUT CREEPS THE LADY WHO SAYS SHE CAN POSITIVELY IDENTIFY ME AS VIOLATING MY INJUNCTION. AND IF YOU NOTICE, SHE CAME CLOSE TO BACKING OVER ME. I HAVE BEEN TELLING Y'ALL THAT DRIVEWAY IS A HAZARD. AND NOBODY HAS DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT. OTHER PEOPLE, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THEY STOP AT MY HOUSE AND KNOW I'M TRYING TO LEAD Y'ALL TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.

THAT'S COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY PEOPLE TOOK FROM US BEHIND THE MAILBOX IS A COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THEY BUILT UP THE LANDSCAPING SO MUCH, EVERY TIME IT RAINS, IT'S LIKE LAKE TAHOE UP THERE. JUST FILLS WITH WATER.

IT'S EATING UP THE ASPHALT. WE GOT 70 FEET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY TO LAUNCH OUR BOATS DOWN THERE. THEY STICK THEIR GARBAGE CANS AT 70 FEET. THERE'S THE GARBAGE CAN TO THE NORTH. AND THEIR LANDSCAPING IS EATING UP COUNTY PROPERTY. THAT'S 25 FEET.

WE GO FROM 70 FEET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY TO 20 FEET OF LANDSCAPING. I WENT TO GREEN ROAD AND COME BACK TO MY TRUCK AND THIS IS WHAT I FOUND ON MY TRUCK.

THEY'RE TALKING TO MY TRUCK IN FIRST PERSON.

THIS IS THE TOW AWAY ZONE. YOU VEHICLE.

YOU VEHICLE MAY BE TOWED AT ANY TIME.

I'M ON COUNTY RIGHT AWAY. ARE WE TRYING TO DO AWAY WITH BOATING OR WHAT? PLEASE TURN THAT INTO THE STAFF.

>> I OUGHT TO GET A PUBLISHER. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. HENNESSEY.

>> MR. HENNESSEY, WOULD YOU PLEASE TURN THE PAPERS INTO STAFF SO WE HAVE FOR THE RECORD? THANK YOU, SIR.

>> WELCOME BACK MS. KLATY. >> B.J. KLATY, FIREWORKS HAVE

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IT'S UNFORTUNATE THIS LAW IS NOT ENFORCED.

I WISH CHIEF MICHELE STAYED DURING THIS WHOLE MEETING.

THE DISPATCH PERSONS WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WOULD NOT ACCEPT THIS FACT ON JULY FOURTH. FIREWORKS WERE DELIBERATELY SET OFF IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY BY DISRESPECTFUL INDIVIDUALS.

SO MUCH FOR QUALITY OF LIFE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS WILL BE UP THERE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE DOCTOR WHAT HE JUST SUGGESTED ABOUT SALES TAX BECAUSE IT'S ON THE TIME TO VOTE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO SOMETHING WORKING OUT WITH HIM TO GET THAT OFF OF THERE.

WE NEED TO HOLD THE POLITICIANS RESPONSIBLE FOR OVER DEVELOPMENT. AND ONCE AGAIN, SO EVERYONE WON'T FORGET, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD BE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BCC AGENDA ITEMS. LET'S HOPE, LET'S HOPE, RESPECT AT THESE MEETINGS WILL RETURN AFTER NOVEMBER EIGHTH. I HAVE ANOTHER WORD I HAVEN'T USED WORDS IN A LONG TIME. LET'S DO SPELLING.

GOT 37 SECONDS LEFT. S-H-E-N- A-N-I G-A-N S.

THAT WORD SPELLS SHENANIGANS. WE KEEP ON COMING AND NOTHING GETS DONE. YOU CAN FIND MONEY TO SPEND IT

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VOTE. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE

GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? >> SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE

GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY.

NOW THAT TAKES US TO COMMISSIONER REPORTS.

I WILL START WITH COMMISSION BLOCKER.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON FRIDAY THE FIRST AND TALK ABOUT OUR STAFF.

FRIDAY THE FIRST, THE PONTE VEDRA BRANCH LIBRARY THAT AFTERNOON THERE WAS A LIGHTNING STRIKE WHICH CAUSED EXCESSIVE SMOKE AFTER ELECTRICAL PANEL WAS AFFECTED.

I WANT TO DO A SPECIAL THANK TO OUR YOUTH SERVICE LIBRARIAN, LISA CULVERT AND LYDIA WOLF-KALE FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP ALONG WITH ALL SUPPORTING STAFF THAT ASSISTED IN GETTING PATRONS OUT OF THE BUILDING SAFELY. THIS IS AN EMERGENCY THAT IMPACTED ONE OF OUR FACILITIES AND AGAIN THIS WAS OUR OUTSTANDING STAFF THAT WORKS AT THAT LIBRARY.

THAT'S WHERE I DO OFFICE HOURS. WE LOOK IN ORDER TO THAT FACILITY OPENING UP ANDS BEING ABLE TO HELP WITH THAT.

TWO OTHER ITEMS I LIKE TO BRING UP.

MR. CONRAD, AND MR. MIGOT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A NO WAKE

ZONE ON PALM VALLEY. >> IF YOU INDULGE ME.

I CAN GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE RIGHT NOW.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> JUST THIS CAME TO MY ATTENTION FROM YOU IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.

BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL NO WAKE ZONE IS WITHIN THE INTERCOASTAL WATER WAY, WE DON'T HAVE UNFETTERED DISCRETION.

WE HAVE TO WORK WITH STATE, FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION COMMISSION AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO UNDERTAKE RULE MAKING TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO A FULL YEAR STUDY WHICH WE STARTED IN JANUARY INSTALL CAMERAS TO ACCUMULATE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT A NO WAKE ZONE LIKE THIS. IT IS IN PROCESS AND IT IS GOING TO BE A LENGTHY PROCESS IN ORDER TO GENERATE THE EVIDENCE NECESSARY TO GET THE STATE TO ENTERTAIN A REQUEST SUCH AS THIS. IT'S BEYOND OUR SCOPE OF AUTHORITY. BUT BY PRESENTING THE EVIDENCE WE'RE CURRENTLY GATHERING WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A STRONG

CASE. >> I WILL UPDATE THE BOARD.

THAT CAME UP FALL OF 2021. YOUR PREDECESSOR AND ALL THE ATTORNEYS NO LONGER HERE WERE WORKING ON THIS.

WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING IN PALM VALLEY.

THE RESIDENTS THERE ARE CURIOUS WHERE THIS IS NOW STARTING OVER AGAIN WHERE THERE WAS A VERY DETAILED DISCUSSION AND PROCESS.

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YOUR PREDECESSOR WAS WORKING ON THIS.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE PRIOR COUNTY ATTORNEY.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S THIS DESIRE FOR AN UPDATE BECAUSE WE'RE ALMOST A YEAR LATER. THAT MEETING WAS IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR. WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO UPDATE THAT PROCESS. MOVING TO OUR FACILITIES, SO, MR. CONRAD, I WANTED TO DIRECT THIS TO Y'ALL.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS AS FAR AS IF WE CAN GET AN UPDATE, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE DOING A MASTER FACILITY PLANNING.

WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH GETTING THE COURTHOUSE SPECIFICALLY, I HAD A MEETING WITH OUR CHIEF JUDGE, JUDGE MALL TO OUTLINE THE CONSTRAINTS THE JUDICIARY IS HAVING WITH THE PRISONERS BEING BROUGHT OVER FROM JAIL.

CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE WHERE WE ARE IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD

WITH THE PLANNING. >> SURE.

SO THERE'S IN THE FISCAL YEAR '23 BUDGET, IS PROJECTED TO HAVE AN OVERALL COUNTY STRATEGIC PLAN OF GOVERNMENT FACILITIES.

WE HAVE SPACE STUDY. THERE WILL BE AN OVERALL STRATEGIC PLAN. YOU MET WITH HIM.

THAT INCLUDES THE COURTHOUSE. IT'S NOT WHAT THE COURTHOUSE NEEDS. IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IF WE MOVE THE COURTHOUSE, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE? OR THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

IF WE MOVE MS. OAKS SOMEWHERE ELSE, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE WISE POTATO CHIP. WE PLAN TO GO OUT TO RFACQUISITF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE PROJECTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FACILITIES REMAIN MAINTAINED DURING FISCAL YEAR '23 AS WE UNDERGO TO EVALUATION. AS SOON AS WE GET TO FISCAL YEAR '23, IT'S A PRIORITY. IT'S BEEN A PRIORITY TO THE BOARD. I THINK MS. OAKS SPECIFICALLY HAS MET WITH EVERY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION AND STAFF MEMBER SAYS. JUDGE MALTZ HAS INDICATED HIS NEEDS. THE FIRE CHIEF HAS INDICATED THEIR NEED. I WOULD SAY IT WOULD NOT BE PRUDENT FOR US TO TAKE CARE OF ONE OF THEM UNTIL WE CAN GET A PLAN OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD AND YOU CAN SAY, WE AS THE BOARD THINKS THE COURTHOUSE NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF FIRST OR THIRD OR 5TH.

I KNOW YOU CHAMPIONED THAT AS A PRIORITY WITH THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD. THAT'S WHY IT'S IN THE BUDGET TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE FUNDING ALLOCATED TO GET THE PLAN MOVING

ALONG. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, OR MR. VICE CHAIR TO OUR BOARD HERE. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO EACH OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS AND SOMETHING WE HAVE NEEDED FOR A LONG TIME. WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT UPGRADING OUR FOOTPRINT FOR THE YEARS. DECADES.

SO THIS IMPACTS THE QUALITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

IF THEY TRY TO GET A DRIVER'S LICENSE, GOING TO VOTE.

WE'RE USING FACILITIES THAT REVEREND MARTIN LUTHER KING WAS IN THE JAIL THERE. I THINK WE AS A BOARD MR. CHAIRMAN, YOUR LEADERSHIP, WE NEED TO LEARN FORWARD ON THIS AND MAKE SURE WE IDENTIFY WHERE THE DEFICIENCIES ARE, WHERE THOSE NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS ARE AND GO FORWARD.

THE COURTHOUSE IS THE ONE PART OF THE COUNTY WHERE THE MOST RESIDENTS GO IN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS ALL NEEDS. STATE'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS THERE. I'M GLAD WE'RE FUNDING THIS TIME. I THINK WE NEED TO AS A BOARD LEAN ON THIS. I WANT TO BRING THIS TO YOUR

ATTENTION. >> THAT'S ALL I

CHAIRMAN. >> PAUL.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, FIRST OF OFF WANTED TO WISH MY WIFE A HAPPY ANNIVERSARY OF 34 YEARS. SO.

BEEN A FEW DAYS. >> ALTHOUGH SHE'S BEEN

40. >> YEAH.

YEAH. YOU KNOW WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH IT ALL. RICH OR POORER.

>> YEAH. SICKNESS, HEALTH.

ACTUALLY, I WOULD BE IN A ROUGH SPOT WITHOUT HER RIGHT NOW.

ALSO TOO, ON TREASURE BEACH CANALS, THEY ARE REQUESTING NO WAKE ZONE SIGNS IF POSSIBLE. WE ACTUALLY OWN THE CANAL.

WE MAY HAVE BETTER AUTHORITY THERE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING IN AND OUT OF CANALS A HIGH SPEEDS AND CAUSING WAKES. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS TO PUT THEM UP. IF WE CAN.

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>> IF WE HAVE BOARD CONSENSUS TO RESEARCH.

WE CAN DO THAT IF THAT'S THE BOARD'S WILL.

>> I THINK WE ALL AGREE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

BEING A PRIVATE CANAL, WE DON'T NEED THE FISH AND WILDLIFE

COMMISSION APPROVAL. >> I HOPE NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY TOUGH. THEY SHOT US DOWN AT MATANSES.

I WANT TO THANK THE BOARD FOR THE WATERWAY ACCESS.

WE ADDED OVER I THINK 1400 VESSELS LAST YEAR.

THEY ALL SHOWED UP JUST AS 1400. WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING

>> IT'S A HUGE ISSUE AND TOOK A BIG STEP FORWARD TODAY.

>> I THINK EVERY BOAT IN THE COUNTY WAS AT THE VILANO BEACH RAMP. NOT ONLY IN THE RAMP BUT LINING UP ON THE HIGHWAY. IT WAS CRAZY.

>> WELL THEY HAD TWO-DAY SNAPPER SEASON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.

YOU HAD A KING FISH TOURNAMENT TOO.

BOTH A HUGE DRAW. IT WAS A GOOD DEAL.

THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> CHRISTIAN. >> MR. CHAIRMAN ON JULY 11TH, A LOCAL NEWS CHANNEL RAN A STORY ABOUT ANTI-SEMITIC FLYERS.

SO, WE DO A LOT OF WORK ON THE COMMISSION AND WE SERVE A LOT OF ROLES. I WANT TO USE MY SEAT IF ONLY TO SAY, THIS IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE CULTURE AND CHARACTER OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY AS ONE COMMISSIONER AND I'M SURE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS SHARE THESE THOUGHTS, WE REJECT ANY ANTI-SEMITISM THAT WOULD BE PROPAGATED BY THOSE THAT WOULD COME INTO ST. JOHNS. THE THOUGHT IS FROM THIS REPORT THAT IT'S NOT EVEN FROM PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS DOES NOT SURPRISE ME.

I WOULD DO ANYTHING AS A COMMISSIONER TO MAKE SURE THESE FOLKS DO NOT HAVE A PLATFORM TO SPREAD THIS KIND OF HATE AND I HAVE FULL FAITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS PURSUING THE LEADS TO BRING THE PEOPLE TO JUSTICE. ANYHOW, JUSTME WANTED TO MAKE MENTION THIS WAS DONE AND REJECTED BY EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT IN PUBLIC FOR THE RECORD.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERAR NOLD.

>> ARNOLD. >> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT STATE ROAD 16. I KNOW YOU BROUGHT IT UP AT A PREVIOUS MEETING. IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT TO ME AND THE URGENCY AND TIMING OF ITS EXPANSION. PRIMARILY THE STRETCH BETWEEN INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARK WAY AND 95.

I GET E-MAILS AND PHONE CALLS AND HAVE NEIGHBORS EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERNS OVER THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY.

I WAS HOPING TO DISCUSS THIS AND GET A CONSENSUS ON OPTIONS MOVING FORWARD. I KNOW WE HAD SPOKEN LAST TIME WITH SEVEN YEARS BEING THE TIMELINE.

I JUST FIND THAT TO BE UNACCEPTABLE.

SO, I THINK ONE IS OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT TO HOLD THE DEVELOPER ACCOUNTABLE AND EXPEDITE THE EXPANSION.

SO, IN THIS CASE, THAT DEVELOPER IS GRAND OAKS AND I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SECURING THE FUNDS FROM THEM TO CONVEY THE MONEY TO START THE EXPANSION OF THE STRETCH.

IF WE CAN GET FODT TO FUND, WE CAN CONTINUE TO SECURE FUNDING.

WE NEED TO HAVE THIS STRETCH THE STATE ROAD 16 FASTER THAN SEVEN YEARS AND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IF I'M BEING HONEST.

I WOULD HOPE I HAVE YOUR SUPPORT ON.

SO. >> WELL LET ME SAY, NO SURPRISE.

I STRONGLY, STRONGLY SUPPORT THAT.

AND I WOULD ASK FOR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO WEIGH IN EVERYBODY. GOOD.

BECAUSE, IT AMAZES ME ABOUT ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED ON 16 FROM REALLY 95 ALL THE WAY TO PAST, WELL PAST MIRABELLA AND IT'S STILL LIKE A TWO-LANE SORT OF COUNTRY ROAD, TWO LANE LIKE HORTON'S GROCERY IS THE ONLY THING STILL THERE.

IT'S LIKE VERY LOVELY TWO-LANE COUNTRY ROAD BUT IT'S

WRONG PLACE. >> YES.

>> I'M ALL IN. >> YEAH, I GUESS I WOULD SUGGEST

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>> WELL I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS.

PAUL, DID YOU WANT TO WEIGH? ?

>> YES, SIR, I STILL THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON REALLY IS. ON WHAT THEIR SHARE - THEY SAID THEY WOULD HAVE THE ROAD FOUR LANED WITHIN FIVE YEARS, WHICH HAS YET TO OCCUR.

I MEAN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IN THE ANALYSIS ON THAT.

WHAT WAS SAID AT A MEETING TO RECEIVE APPROVAL THAT IS YET TO

BE DONE. >> AND THAT WAS IN MEETING IN

2018, IS THAT CORRECT? >> I BELIEVE IT WAS IN

>> OKAY. >> PROBABLY.

THAT ROAD WOULD BE COMPLETED IN 2023.

>> OKAY. AND THAT HAS NOT EVEN A CHANCE OF HAPPENING. SO, THAT IS YOU KNOW SOMETHING ESPECIALLY AS A BOARD AS WE MOVE ON, HENRY AND I MOVE ON OR WHO MOVES ON, YOU HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT WAS PROMISED THE BOARD.

WE PLAYED IT AT A MEETING. IT WAS PROMISED TO THE BOARD

THAT ROAD WOULD BE COMPLETED. >> I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE BRING THAT ITEM BACK FOR DISCUSSION ON AUGUST SECOND WITH A REVIEW OF THE MEETING. AT THIS POINT, I THINK ONLY PAUL AND I WERE ON THE BOARD. I THINK THAT WAS BEFORE THE' 18 ELECTION. JEREMIAH.

IT WOULD BE GOOD TO REFRESH ALL OF OUR MEMORIES AND THEN EITHER GO FORWARD OR MAYBE TWEAK IT AS WE GO FORWARD.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, I WANT 16, FOUR LANED.

ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. >> ME TOO.

>> LET'S GET IT THERE. BY HOOK OR CROOK.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> IT'S BEEN A LONG AFTERNOON. I WANT TO BRING UP AN ITEM THAT SHOULD TAKE HOPEFULLY LESS THAN 8 OR 10 MINUTES.

WITH A VERY UNIQUE SORT OF CONUNDRUM, A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE A SITUATION IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THIS THIS MORNING.

HERE'S ONE FOR YOU. WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE IT'S OKAY TO HAVE MEDICAL DOCTORS IN AN OFFICE PARK BUT NOT VETERINARIANS. I FIND THAT A LITTLE ODD MYSELF.

MOST OF YOU KNOW MY WHOLE FAMILY ARE BIG DOG LOVERS.

THE REASON I THINK THAT VETS SHOULD BE IN THE SAME COMPLEX WITH DOCTORS IF A DOCTOR OFFICE VACATES.

THEY WILL BUY NEW EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THE OLD EQUIPMENT IS WORN OR OUT OF DATE BUT APPARENTLY IT WORKS PERFECTLY FOR DOGS AND CATS. SO THAT EQUIPMENT CAN STAY IN THAT DOCTOR'S OFFICE AND THE VET CAN COME IN AND USE IT.

IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY COMMON SENSE TO ME.

IF I MISSTATED ANYTHING, DOUG, WOULD YOU COME UP AND ADD OR SUBTRACT TO WHAT I SAY. I WOULD LIKE TO GET A CONCENSUS TO GET STAFF TO LOOK AT THIS AND COME BACK WITH A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE LDC TO MAKE IT OKAY FOR A VET, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW A KENNEL WHERE DOGS WOULD SAY FOR A MONTH OR TWO. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VET VISITS.

SO, I WOULD LIKE TO GET A CONSENSUS WE HAVE STAFF COME BACK WITH AN ANALYSIS AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

EVERYBODY OKAY ON THAT OR DO WE NEED TO DIG DEEPER?

>> WE GOOD. WE WILL HAVE STAFF COME BACK WHEN PRACTICAL WHEN YOU CAN GET IT ON YOUR LIST, HUNTER AND

BRAD? >> OKAY.

I WILL JUST SAY, I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I WAS DOING ON THE NIGHT OF JULY FIRST THAT FRIDAY, JEREMIAH, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, IT WAS THE FOURTH OF JULY WEEKEND, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE MY SON AND DAUGHTER IN LAW AND MY WIFE ON A SIX MINUTE DRIVE TO THE AMPHITHEATER AND SPEND TWO HOURS WITH STEVE MILLER BAND. HE IS ONE YEAR OLDER THAN ME BUT ACTS LIKE A 19-YEAR OLD. IT'S AMAZING

>> MY POINT IS AGAIN, THE AMPHITHEATER IS SO COOL AND PROVIDES SUCH GREAT VENUE AND CULTURAL ACTIVITY FOR ALL.

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