Jun 16, 2022 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order]

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>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT.

MS. PERKINS, WOULD YOU READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT, PLEASE.

>> MS. PERKINS: THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS SNRAIBILITY FOYER ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN.

SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF.

THE PUBLIC SHALL PEAK AT A TIME DURING THE HAMMERING AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY.

IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR AGENCY OR THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION.

CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. WE HAVE A VERY FULL VANDEN TODAY. AND, OF COURSE, AS THE VICE CHAIR SAID, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN TO SPEAK. BUT I'D ASK THAT YOU PLEASE BE SURE YOU KEEP YOUR TIME TO THE THREE MINUTES AND TRY NOT TO REPEAT ANYTHING THAT OTHER SPEAKERS HAVE SAID.

OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME.

STAFF HAS BROUGHT SNACKS AND TBHIEWRT COMMISSIONERS EXPECTING THAT. NOW IS A TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. EACH OF THE 14 ITEMS ON THE

[1. PUD 2022-04 Madison St. Augustine.]

>> THANK YOU. BRAD WESTER, DRIVER, MCAFEE HAWTHORNE & DIEBENOW. THAT'S AT 1 INDEPENDENT DRIVE SUITE 1200 JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA 32202.

THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY WAS HEARD AT THE PREVIOUS PZA MEETING AND I'LL BE THOROUGH AND TIMELY IN THIS PRESENTATION AS WELL. BUT ALSO REITERATE THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE WE TABLED THE VOTE AT THE LAST ONE TO CONTINUE IT IN ORDER TO MEET AGAIN WITH THE STN ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COLLEGE AND THEIR TRUSTEES AS WELL AS THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND WE'VE DONE THAT, AND SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS HERE AND SOME FOLKS FROM THE COLLEGE AS WELL THAT ALSO WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK, SO I'LL MAKE MY PRESENTATION TIMELY. WE HAVE SEEN IT ONCE BEFORE.

AND THEN WE'LL GO STRAIGHT TO ALLOWING THE RESIDENTS TO SPEAK AND GO TO Q&A AS NEEDED. THE PROJECT IS A REZONING REQUEST AT THIS LOCATION, WHICH IS GENERALLY THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF KENTTON MORRISON AND STATE ROAD 16.

THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE SITE. JUST KIND OF TO GIVE YOU BEARINGS AND TO REHASH EXACTLY WHERE WE WERE AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING A A 19.22-ACRE SITE. A CAN'T, UNDEVELOPED AND IN BETWEEN A LOT OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS ALONG AN URBANIZED

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IT'S CURRENTLY FUTURE LAND USE IS THE MIXED USE DISTRICT.

THIS IS AESOP MAP. IT'S POINTING TO THE VARIOUS ZONE MAPS. ACROSS THE STREET YOU SEE A PLETHORA OF DIFFERENT SOAFNTION. PRIMARILY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF STROOT 16 IS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS SO AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER THEY'VE ALL THEN DPLAINGD TO A PREVIOUS ZONING CATEGORY OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS TO WHAT EXISTS TODAY, MAINLY THROUGH THE '90S AND 2000S. , AS YOU SEE LISTED ON THERE.

AND WE CAN GO BACK TO THIS FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE. THE STATE COLLEGE, AND THEN MISSION TRACE ON THERE AS WELL AS THE FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL STATION THERE AT THE CORNER AND THEN THE 19.22-ACRE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THIS IS A WETLAND MAP SO IT SHOWS THE INJURIES, DICTIONAL WETLANDS AND THE ISOLATED WETLAND ON THE PROPERTY AND AS WELL AS THE UPLAND PINE PLANTATION ON THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE BLACK LINE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WE HAVE PREPARED COMING FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WE HAVE PREPARED A COLORED MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO THE EYES, TO DEPICT WHERE THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS AND CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY IS COMPARED TO THIS MDP WHICH IS REQUIRED FOR THE PUD. WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO THIS DURING QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. THIS IS A COLORED VERSION OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO AS YOU SEE, THE BUILDING ORIENTATIONS WITH THE VARYING THREE-STORY APARTMENT PRODUCT TYPES AS WELL AS THE TOWNHOME PRODUCT TYPES THAT ARE LISTED ON THE PROPERTY. YOU SEE THE INJURIES, DICTIONAL WETLAND, THE THE STORM WATER POND, THE VAIR VARIOUS ACCESS 30EU7B9 PPTS THIS IS THE PRIMARY ACCESS TONIGHT TO STATE ROAD SCEENT SITE AND THAT REALLY IS THE FACE OF THE PROJECT WHEN YOU PULL IN REPRESENTING A MIXTURE OF THE PRODUCT TYPES WITH THE TOWNHOMES, TWO STORY. THE APARTMNTS THREE STORY AND THEN COMING INTO THE CLUBHOUSE AND AMENITY AREA FRAMED BY OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES AS WELL AS SEPARATE GARAGES, AND THEN THE SECONDARY ACCESS POINT OUT TO KENTTON MORRISON.

THIS IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PRODUCT TYPE.

THIS IS RUN OF THE TOWNHOME UNITS.

THIS TOWNHOME UNIT IS OBVIOUSLY A TWO-STORY, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE REALLY IS NO -- ESSENTIALLY THERE IS NO FRONT AND REAR ON THE EYES. THERE'S A FRONT DOOR, AND THEN THE REAR PORCH AND PATIO. BUT IT REALLY IS NOT DISCERNIBLE PER SAY, THE FRONT AND PREARP IT'S REALLY IN CHARACTER THE TO BUILDINGS BEING CENTRALLY LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE THREE-STORY APARTMENT, AND THESE ARE ADDITIONS TO WHAT WE HAD AT THE PREVIOUS PZA HEARING AGAIN SHOWING THE ELEVATIONS, THE ARCHITECTURAL CONCEPTS IN PLAY HERE. THIS IS OUR THREE-STORY PRODUCT.

YOU GOT THREE FLOORS AND THEN THE ROOF HINE AND ARCHITECTURAL FENESTRATION, SO UP TO 45 FEET MAX, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE CHANGES FROM 60 FEET DOWN TO 45 FEET ON THE PROPERTY, AND WE'VE INCLUDED THAT REVISION IN PUD.

THE TWO WAIVERS WE'RE ASKING FOR, ONE IS A 50-FOOT SETBACK REQUEST DOWN TO 20 FEET AS IT FRONTS ON STATE ROAD 16.

TYPICALLY THE ROAD READS IT MUST HAVE A 50-FOOT SETBACK FROM RESIDENTIAL LOTS FROM AN ARTERIAL MAJOR COLLECTOR RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND SO WE FELT IT WAS IN THE BEST INTERESTS TO INCLUDE THIS, AS DID THE MISSION TRACE PUD REQUESTED THE SAME TYPE OF SETBACK, REQUEST IS REDUCTION DOWN DO 20 FEET.

THE 20 FEET IS ON OUR PROPERTY SO WE HAVE HAD 20-FOOT SEPARATION FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE BACK TO THE FIRST BUILDINGS, IF YOU WILL, BUT THERE SCIRNLT 75 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT STATE ROAD 16 BACK TO THE BUILDING SO THERE'S PLENTY OF GREEN SPACE THERE. THE OTHER ONE IS FOR A REDUCTION OF 2.9 ACRES OF ACTIVE REPARATION TO 2.9 AND IT'S OFFSET SUPPLEMENTED BY THE URBAN CHARACTER INFILL AS WELL AS ALL OF THE INTERCONNECTED TALKS WITH TALKS WITH TO THE PARK, SERVICES, USES AND VARIOUS ACTIVITIES WHICH IS REALLY THE CRUX OF THIS REQUEST IT. SETS UP NICELY IN THIS VIERNL IN THE MIXED USE CORRIDOR. NEARBY TWELVE MILE SWAMP, JOE POEMER, ST. AUGUSTINE FACILITIES 18 HOLE COURSE WHICH IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, AND THEN THE COLLIER BLOCKER PARK.

THIS IS A CONCURRENCY ROADWAY MAP SO SHOWING OUR OBLIGATION TO STUDY EVERYTHING WITHIN THE CONCURRENCY WITHIN FOUR MIEFLTS SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND THERE ARE TWO DEFICIENT ROADWAYS ON THIS LINK. ONE OF THEM IS NOT KENTON MORRISON ROAD AND THEY ARE NORTH HOMES BOULEVARD EXTENDING SOUTH OF FOUR MILE DOWN TO 207. THOSE ARE THE CONSTRAINED ARE ON ESSENTIALLY DEFICIENT ROADWAYS THAT WE ARE OBLIGATED TO DO A FAIR SHARE. CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY, THE

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BACK IN 1989, IT CHANGED FROM SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL, AND IT WAS CONDITIONED TO A MAXIMUM OF 175,000 SQUARE FEET WHICH ESSENTIALLY EQUALS COORDINATING TO THE ITE CODE SEVEN HER 400 TRIPS WITH 9.

OUR REQUEST IS 238 UNITS PER THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE APPROVED METHODOLOGY 1,000 ISN'T SCWUN AFTERNOON DAILY TRIPS AND 143, IT'S 1.46 TIMES LESS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC PERMITTED BY RIGHT YOU CAN PUT A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND AND PILD A SHOPPING CENTER WITHOUT PARCELS. THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL IS ALSO EXEMPT. IT SCEMENTS IT FROM CONCURRENCY REVIEW AND PROP SHARE NIECE AND THEY HAVE CONDITIONED A THREE ACCESS POINTS, TWO TO STATE ROAD 16 AND ONE TO KENTON MORRISON.

THE PUD, OUR PUD REQUEST IS CURRENTLY OBLIGATED FOR $878,413 IN PROP SHARE FEES FOR THE DEFICIENT ROADWAY LINKS, AND WE ALSO PROPOSED ACCESS TO STATE ROAD 16 ANDETIC LIKE KE.

SO THEY ALL HAVE ACCESS TO STATE RADIOED 16 AND KENTTON MORRIS ON IN SOME CASES MORE ACCESS POINTS.

GO SEE THE EK BRADOWN REGARD 10ITE CODES OF COMPARISON OF ESSENTIALLY THE REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF TRACK OF THAT WOULD BE APPLIED TO THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY.

238 APARTMENT UNITS, WHICH IS NOT THE MAXIMUM THEORETICAL WIELD CARRYING CAPACITY LAND WHICH COULD BE 249 UNITS.

238 APARTMENT UNITS SQUALLS 1 DAILY TRIPS AND 123 PEAK HOUR AND CURRENTLY 100,00 SQUARE FEET INCLUDING REDUCED BY PASSERBY CAPTURE 4707 DAILY TRIPS AND 599 PEAK OUR P.M.

TRIPS. THIS IS AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S SURROUND BY AN YOU ARE PANNIZED SETDING AND IT'S CLEARLY NOT URBAN SPRAWL. IT COMPLEMENTS THE MIXED USE AND CHARACTER OF AREA. PROVIDES A DIVERSIFIED OPTION FOR A FOR RENT INTERFAMILY. IT'S INTERCONNECTED BY SIDEWALKS TO COMMERCIAL PARKS AND SCHOOLS. CLEARLY PROMOTION AND ADVERTISE.

THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT TYPE WOULD BE THE FACT THAT IT'S IN URBANIZED MIXED CORRIDOR ADJACENT TO COLLEGE, AGENDAS TO SHOPPING AND PARKS, AND IN PROXIMITY TO ST. AUGUSTINE YICHES PITS CONSISTENT WITH THE MIXED USE PLUME CATEGORY.

IN FACT IT'S NOT EQUALING 13 UNITS PER ACRE.

IT'S LESS THAN. REDUCED TRIPS ACCORDING TO CG CARGO TO 1989 CHANGE AND THE ONE IS CHANGE IS 65 TO 45 IEGHT MAXIMUM THREE STORY. WE HAD ALWAYS BEEN AT THREE STORIES BUT WE HAD 60 FEET. IT WAS MY ERROR.

IT WAS A CARRY OVER. BUT CLEARLY THREE FLOORS PLUS THE ROOF IS 45 FEET, AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT RURAL ST. AUGUSTINE IS ALLOWED TO DO, AND MISSION TRACE, PUD, THEIR COMMERCIAL IS ALLOWED UP TO 40 PEET.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THIS PUD FOR PROVIDE PEOPLE AN OPTION FOR A UNIQUE GATEWAY DOOR DOOR.

I WANTED TO BE TIMELY IN MY PRESENTATION.

WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE AT THE PREVIOUS PZA BUT I'LL TURN IT BACK TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE? DR. HILSENBECK?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I SPOKE WITH CHUCK LABANOWKSI NOWSKI STANDING RIGHT UP HERE JUST BEFORE THIS MEETING COMMENCED.

>> I SPOKE, IN WESTER TWO DAYS AGO AND THEN TODAY AND I ALSO SPOKE WITH RICHARD COMMANDO WHO IS ON THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR THE ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MS. PERKS PERCENTAGE OF I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH RICH COMMANDO THIS MORNING DISCUSSING THIS

PROJECT. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE?

>> I VISITED THE SITE BUT I DIDN'T SPEAK TO ANYBODY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND I ALSO WANT TO DISCLOSE THAT I DROVE AROUND AND AROUND THE SITE A COUPLE TIMES TODAY.

AND BEFORE I OPEN IT UP FOR GORES EVERYBODY ELSE, I'LL GOING TO ASK THE APPLICANT, YOU SAID YOU HAD MEETINGS.

COULD YOU TELL US THE RESULT OF YOUR MEETINGS, PLEASE.

>> YES, SIR. SO ON PUSS TS AT 4:00 THE COLLEGE WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO ALLOW US TO COAST A COMMUNITY MEETING FOR MISSION TRACE AND ANY OTHER RESIDENTS AROUND THE, INCLUDING THE CHEJ. I KNOW THE ST. JOHN COUNTY GROWTH MANAGEMENT WAS THERE, AND THAT WAS AT 4:00 P.M. ON TUESDAY, AND WE HOSTED A MEETINGS FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND 15 OR 20 MINUTES WITH THE SAME PRESENTATION.

I HAD IMPLEMENTATION TBOARDZ. WE DID A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. AND WE TOOK IN THE CONTEXT THEIR CONCERNS. SUMMARIZING THAT MEETING WAS KENTON MORRISON AND THE TRAFFIC SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES THE OUR ACCESS TO KENTON MORRIS ON AND THEN APARTMENTS ESSENTIALLY.

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AND SEVERAL OTHERS FROM THE COLLEGE AS WELL AT 1:00.

AND THEN WE ALSO MET WITH THE FULL BOARD OF TRUSTEES A THEIR SCHEDULED MEETING AT 2:00 P.M. AT THE COLLEGE IN PLACK A.

SO TUESDAY WAS AT THE ST. AUGUSTINE CAMPUS ON-SITE AND THEN WEDNESDAY WAS IN PLACKA WITH THE FULL BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND WE DID A FULL PRESENTATION WITH THEM AS WELL AND DAY NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. VERY SIMILAR QUESTIONS ABOUT ACCESSING CENTDTON MORRISON AND THE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC ON EXISTING ACCESS POINTS TO KENTON MORRISON AS WELL AS THE PRODUCT TYPE SPECIFICALLY. THOSE WERE SOME OF THE FRAMEWORK OF THE CONVERSATION. DENSITY CAME UP AS WELL BUT IT WAS REALLY HOMED IN ON APARTMENTS, WHY KINT BE SINGLE FAMILY, WHY NOT JUST TOWNHOMES. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GENERATED ON KENTON MORRISON SPECIFICALLY.

SO THOSE WERE THE PRIMARY CONCERNS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN IT UP TO THE REST OF THE BOARD NOW. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: BRAD, SINCE YOUR PRESENTATION WAS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS LAST TIME YOU PRESENT THIS OVER A MONTH AGO, MY QUESTIONS WILL BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS WELL AND CONCERNS.

FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T ASK YOU SPECIFICALLY BUT I IMPLIED THAT I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN THAT ACTUALLY MET THE 50-FOOT SETBACK FROM STATE ROAD 16.

I SHOULD HAVE SPECIFICALLY ASKED YOU FOR THAT, BUT I SEE YOU ALL DON'T HAVE ONE OR DO YOU HAVE ONE?

>> BRANDON TIRADO: WE DID NOT HAVE, YOU.

THE SITE PLAN IS THE SAME A PREVIOUSLY AND THE REQUEST FOR WAIVER FROM THE 50-FOOT SET BACK IS THE SAME REQUEST.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND I DO NOT LIKE THAT REQUEST.

20-FOOT SETBACK TO ME IS NOT ADEQUATE ON -- AND YOUR LAST SLIDE SHOWED THIS IS A GATEWAY INTO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

I THINK THIS SHOULD BE SET BACK AS FAR AS POSSIBLE FROM STATE ROAD 16 AS PART OF THAT GATEWAY, AND I WAS HOPING THIS TIME YOU WOULD HAVE HAD SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE SHOWN THAT.

YOUR RATIONALE IN THE APPLICATION IS THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A DENSE AND EXACT DEVELOPMENT, THAT YOU SHOULD BE GRANTED LESS OF A SETBACK. TO ME THAT SEEMS BACKWARDS.

IF IT WAS A SPRAWLING QUK , NOT EXACT DWEVMENT, THEN I MIGHT SEE WHY YOU MIGHT NEED JUST HAVE TO 20 FEET, BUT SINCE IT IS COMPACT TO SOME EXTENT, I THINKS WARRANTED AND 20 FEET IS NOT ADEQUATE. I ALSO DON'T LIKE THAT YOU'RE DESTROYING VIRTUALLY ALL THE WETLANDS OVER THERE ON THAT SOUTHEASTERN CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.

IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT AERIAL, I THINK IT'S A SLIDE THERE IT IS. ALL THAT WET AREA.

I KNOW THAT CENTRAL STRAND GOING THROUGH THE PROPERTY NORTH TO SOUTH OVER IN THE WEST-CENTRAL PART IS GOING TO BE CONSERVED IN THE MAIN PART, BUT A LOT OF THAT AREA OTHER A GOING TO BE WIPED OUT. AND THEN YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR POND OVER IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

I JUST WONDERED WHY YOU DIDN'T PUT THE POND IN SOUTHEAST CORNER. AND I KNOW THERE WAS A FIRE ON THAT SITE AT SOME TIME. SO -- AND I HAVEN'T WALKED ON SITE BECAUSE I'M NOT ALLOWED TO. SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHY YOU DIDN'T PUT YOUR POND IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER RATHER THAN IN

AN UPLAND AREA ON THE SOUTHWEST. >> SO THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MIDE TO ENTRY THE 50-FOOT SETBACK IS THE ELEVATION.

SOME OF THE QUESTION WAS ARE YOU TURNING YOUR BACK TO STATE ROAD 16, AND 2 ANSWER IS NO, WE'RE NOT, SO THE ELEVATIONS APPROVE THAT, THAT THE BUILDING LOOKS THE SAME FROM BOTH AND ALL ANGLES. I WOULD NEED A FURTHER INTERPRETATION ON WHETHER THE 5O RESIDENTIAL LOTS OR ONE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT THAT IS MULTI-FAMILY.

REGARDLSS -- >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND I WAS GOING TO ASK OUR ATTORNEYS FOR AN OPINION ON THAT.

>> BRAD WESTER: REGARDLESS, WE PUT THAT REQUEST IN THERE, AND IT'S REALLY PRED CADE ON THE FACT THAT IT IS A DENSE DEVELOPMENT AND THERE IS A TREND TO MOVE BUILDS TO FRONT OF ROADWAYS THAT ARE PLEASING ARCHITECTURALLY AND DON'T TURN THEIR BACK ON THE ROADWAY, AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS OVER 70 FEET OF GREEN SPACE INCLUDING OUR 20 FEET OF YARD PLUS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IN STATE ROAD 16 OUT TO THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT.

WE FELT THAT THAT 70 FEET OF GREEN SPACE, IF YOU WILL, IS PLENTY ADEQUATE WHICH INCLUDES AN EXISTING SPACEWALK SIDEWALK.

I THINK BASED ON THOSE FACTORS THAT'S WHY WE ADDED THOSE EXHIBITS IN THERE TO DEPICT THAT AND I THINK THAT WAS SOME OF THE

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TYPICALLY WHEN YU POP OFF A TOMORROW STORM WATER POND FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT YOU NEED IT TO POP OFF SOMEWHERE AFTER IT IS TREATED CAPACITY, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE SOME TYPE OF WATER COURSE OR DITCH OR OTHER OVERLAND MEANS, IN THIS CASE IT'S A VERY ACCEPTED METHODOLOGY IN TERMS OF AN ENGINEERING POPOFF. REGARDING THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE FIRE BECAUSE DURING OUR COMMUNITY PRESENTATION TO THE COLLEGE AND THE CITIZENS, THE SECURITY DEPARTMENT WAS ATTENDED THE ME GO AS WELL, AND WE ACTUALLY GOT A VERY GOOD UNDERSTANDING.

THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHY DID WE BURN THE PROPERTY DOWN, AND THAT WAS BEFORE MY CLIENT CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN THE SECURITY STAFF STEAL ACTUALLY SPOKE UP ON THE RECORD AND STATED, THAT USED TO BE A REALLY LARGE HOMELESS CAMP, AND IT HAD A NUMBER OF HOMELESS FOLKS IN THERE.

THEY STRUGGLED GETTING IT OUT WITH THE POLICE.

THEY FINALLY GOT PEOPLE TO LEAVE THE SITE, AND WHAT WAS DESCRIBED TO US TYPICALLY THE LAST MAN OUT SPITEFULLY SETS FIRE TO THE PLACE, AND THEY SET FIRE TO THE WOODS.

SO THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS THE WAY IT IS.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WETLAND BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BURNED OUT PINE PLANTATION. AND THESE ARE ISOLATED VERY LOW CALL THE WETLAND AREAS. I'LL POINT IT BACK UP THERE.

SO THIS ENTIRE AREA LOOKS LIKITES GOT A WET SIGNATURE TO IT BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BURNED OUT PINE TREES.

AND SO THAT IS -- THAT'S THE REASON BEHIND THE FOREST OUT IN THAT AREA THAT'S BURNED. WE ACTUALLY HEARD IT FIRSTHAND.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE BUT WITH PART OF YOU ARE ON DEVELOPMENT WE WERE REPLANT PER THE LANDSCAPE CODE ALONG THE 10-FOOT PUFFER EVER BUFFER PROPERTY EDGE AND THEN, OF COURSE, I HAVE ANOTHER EXHIBIT WE CAN SHOW LATER IN NEEDED BUT THE COLLEGE HAS A MINIMUM OF 95 FEET IN THIS PROTECTED BUFFER THAT'S PROTECTED IN A PUD. THE MINIMUM DISTANCE END 2 THEIR EDGE OF PAVEMENT ON THIS INTERNAL LOOP ROAD TO OUR PROPERTY LINE IS 95 FEET AND IT'S REALLY THICK OF 8 INTO THE TALL PAYMENTS AND PINE TREES, VERY MATURE PINE TREES.

I TOOK PICTURES WHEN WE HAD OUR COMMUNITY MEETING.

SO THAT'S PROTECTED IN THE PUD. AND SO THIS AREA HERE WAS CLEARED. IT WILL START GROW BACK AND REFOREST. BUT THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF BUFFER IN THAT AREA. SO WE HAVE ONE OF THE TOWNHOME UNITS IN THIS AREA THAT'S NOT BACKED UP TO THE CORNER FOR THAT EXACT REASON. SO YOU SEE A STAGING AND HEIGHT.

WE'VE GOT ONLY A TWO-STORY PRODUCT FOR ONE OF TOWNHOMES AND THEN BEHIND STHAS THE THREE-STORY APARTMENT.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT FRAMES THAT DISCUSSION.

BUT I'LL DEFER BACK TO COUNCIL. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE 50-FOOT SETBACK IS REQUIRED FOR

A LOT. >> BRAD WESTER: RESIDENTIAL

LOT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: RESIDENTIAL LOT, AND THESE ARE RESIDENCES, BUT I GUESS IT'S ONE LARGE LOT,

SO WHAT WOULD YOU ALL -- >> YES, IT IS.

RESIDENTIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY FALLS IN RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY.

>> DR. HILSENECK: SO IS THE INTERPRETATION THAT THEY DON'T NEED THE 50-FOOT SETBACK, CORRECT?

>> NO. >> BRAD WESTER: AND THAT'S WHY

WE HAVEIT IN THERE TO BE SAFE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: WELL, I WAS REALLY HOPING YOU'D COME BACK WITH A PLAN THAT MAYBE HAD A FEWER -- A FEW FEWER APARTMENTS IN THERE AND HAD THE 50-FOOT BUFFER IN THERE THAT I HAD BROUGHT UP LAST TIME.

I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE REDUCTION OF NEARLY A HALF AN ACRE OF RECREATIONAL AND PARK SPACE IN THERE.

I KNOW YOUR ARGUMENT IS THAT THERE ARE FOUR OTHER AREAS FOR OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION NEARBY, BUT WHAT'S REQUIRED ON THIS SITE IS NEARLY 3 ACRES AND YOU WANT TO REDUCE THAT BY NEARLY A HALF AN ACRE, WHICH ID OBJECTED TO LAST TIME, SO I WAS HOPING YOU'D REVISE THAT AS WELL.

>> BRAD WESTER: UNDERSTOOD. AND THE REASONING BEHIND THAT, IF YOU ALLOW ME, THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT IS IT'S TYPICALLY BECAUSE WE'RE NO URBAN SPRAWL.

WE'RE A VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE INFILL NATURE OF DEVELOPMENT IN AN URBANIZED CORRIDOR, WHICH THIS IS.

IN MY OPINION, THAT RECREATION REQUIREMENT -- ST. JOHNS COUNTY HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN A VERY RURAL COUNTY AND THAT CONDITION TO APPLY A RESIDENTIAL -- I'M SORRY -- A RECREATIONAL --

>> DR. HILSENBECK: >> MR. MATOVINA: DISCUSS ME FOR A SECOND, BRAD. WHY DO I HEAR MUSIC?

IS THAT SOMEBODY'S PHONE? >> BRAD WESTER: IT'S LIKE THE ACADEMY AWARDS. DO I NEED TO STEP UP? [LAUGHTER] THEY'RE PLAYING ME OUT.

SO THE -- BASICALLY THAT RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENT IS IF YOU WERE HAVING YOUR OWN RECREATIONAL SELF-CONTAINED USE

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THE PRACTICE FACILITIES, THE CHIPPING RANGE, THE PUTTING RANGE, THE 18 HOLES. USES LIKE THAT REALLY OFFSET THE NEED TO HAVE 3 ACRES OF REC RATION ON THE PROPERTY, IN MY

OPINION. >> DR. HILSENBECK: BUT THAT'S WHAT THE LDC REQUIRES AND YOU WANT A WAIVER TO THAT, SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER, AND I DON'T PERSONALLY AGREE TO THE WAIVER.

I THINK YOU NEED THAT ON THERE. >> BRAD WESTER: UNDERSTOOD.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WAS GOING TO MENTION TRAFFIC.

HOLMES BOULEVARD AND THEN ACROSS THE ROAD ON WOODLAWN, THE LAST TIME IT WAS STATED THAT WOODLAWN WAS NOT INCLUDED BECAUSE IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE ADVERSELY IMPACTED.

SO I WAS WONDERING HOW THE TRAFFIC FOLKS IN THE COUNTY COULD OM UP -- THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY A QUESTION FOR YOU, PERHAPS FOR THEM -- HOW THEY COULD COME UP WITH A -- THAT IT WOULDN'T BE ADVERSELY IMPACTED WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT MAY BE TWO OR THREE YEARS OUT, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WORK, WHO THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE, WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP WOODLAWN, CUT ACROSS, HIT LEWIS SPEEDWAY, GO TO US-1, TO GO JACKSONVILLE OR WHETHER THREAR GOING TO GO SOUTH ON HOLMES BOULEVARD, THEY'RE GOING TO GO WEST I-95, EAST US-1. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT MAGIC WORKS TO COME UP WITH THE FACT WOODLAWN IS NOT IMPACTED, BUT HOLMES BOULEVARD AND FOUR MILE ROAD ARE.

>> BRAD WESTER: I'LL LET HIM COME UP IN A SECOND.

I AGREE WITH YOU. I SOMETIMES HAVE TO PUT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING HAT ON AND MAKE SENSE OF IT ALL.

I JUST KNOW WE HAVE AN APPROVED METHODOLOGY THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY AS FAR AS THE CONCURRENCY PROCESS.

THE COUNTY APPROVES THAT TYPE OF METHODOLOGY FOR THE FOUR MILE CONCURRENCY REVIEW AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT, AND WE'VE DONE THAT AND WE'VE COME BACK WITH TWO DEFICIENT LINKS THAT ARE SOUTH OF KENTON MORRISON.

THE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS HERE BUT I BELIEVE IT'S A 1% CAPACITY OVERAGE AND WE HAVE AN 78,000 PLUS OR MINUS PROPORTIONATE SHARE OR IMPROVEMENT RELATED TO THOSE DEFICIENT LINKS BUT I'LL

LET THE COUNTY COME UP. >> DR. HILSENBECK: GREAT,

THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, JAN TRANTHAM WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT. AND I THINK THERE WAS A DISCUSSION AT THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM, AND I WAS NOT HERE. WE USED THE NURPAM AB MODEL OR TRIP DISTRIBUTION. IT WAS A MODEL THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

IT'S OVERSEEN BY DOT. IT'S JUP UPDATED.

IT'S REVISED. IT'S IMPROVED AS YEARS GO BY BY THE CONSULTANTS HIRED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND THEY MAINTAIN IT. THEY ALSO CONSULT WITH ALL THE JURISDICTIONS WITHIN THE REGION, AND IT IS A REGIONAL MODEL, SO IT IS NOT JUST ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WHAT'S IN THE MODEL IS A ROADWAY NETWORK, A FUTURE ROADWAY NETWORK BASED ON TEN-YEAR INCREMENTS, AND THERE'S ALSO DEVELOPMENT DATA OR THE Z DATA I GUESS YOU WOULD CALL IT IN THE MODEL.

SO THEY HAVE PUT IN ALL THE EXISTING EXECIAL COMMERCIAL, ALL THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, AND ALL OF THE WHAT IS KNOWN TO BE APPROVED AND PLANNED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, AND WHEN THEY RUN THE MODEL, IT TAKES ALL OF THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.

THAT'S WHY IT IS A WIDELY ACCEPTED METHOD FOR DETERMINING THE DISTRIBUTION OF TRIPS NOW AND THE FUTURE.

SO THAT IS THE ACCEPTED METHOD. SO THAT'S WHAT WE USE.

IT'S BETTER THAN OUR BEST GUESS OR EVERYONE ELSE'S OPINION BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION.

IN THIS CASE, THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD YACKET WOODLAWN ROAD IS BELOW 1% THRESHOLD AND WE HAVE A METHODOLOGY THAT WAS WRITTEN AND ADOPTED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THAT METHODOLOGY SAYS THAT IF YOUR TRAFFIC YOU CONTRIBUTE TO A ROADWAY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN YOUR STUDY AREA IS LESS THAN 1% OF THE APPROVED PEAK OUR SERVICE VOLUME, IT IS NOT AN IMPACTED SEGMENT. IF IT'S NOT AN IMPACTED SEGMENT, IT IS THEREFORE NOT ADVERSELY IMPACTED.

IT IS IMPACTED. IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S NO TRAFFIC GOING TO WOODLAWN. BUT IT IS NOT CONSIDERED AN IMPACTED SEGMENT. IF IT'S NOT AP IMPACTED SEGMENT THAT'S DEFICIENT, WE DON'T DO PROPORTIONATE SHARE FOR THAT,

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BY THE COUNTY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

AND THAT WAS A GREAT ANSWER, BY THE WAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WAS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF UNFUNDED NEED FOR HOLMES BOULEVARD AND FOUR MILE ROAD? DO YOU KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD?

>> WHAT WE PUT IN THE STAFF REPORT WAS THAT HOLMES BOULEVARD, SO WHEN WE DO PROPORTIONATE SHARE, IT'S AN EXISTING TWO-LANE, SO THE ONLY THE ONLY WAY TO IMPROVE IT TECHNICALLY IS FOUR LANES. SO THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

WE HAVE NOT PROGRAMMED IN ANY FORUM A FORE-LANING OF HOLMES BOULEVARD BECAUSE THE DOT IS PLANNING THE CONSTRUCT STATE ROAD 313. STATE ROAD 313 WILL BE THE RELIEVER FOR HOLMES BOULEVARD IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

HOLMES BOULEVARD IS USED A BYPASS TO GET AROUND THE CITY, REALLY, I MEANT BASED ON THE LOCATION.

THAT'S WHY THE COUNTY COMPLETED THAT DEBBIE HOLMES BOULEVARD USED NO NOT GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH, AND THE COUNTY FUNDED AND IMPROVED HOLMES BOULEVARD SO THAT IT COULD GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND TO RELIEVE U-1 THROUGH THE CITY AND TO OBVIOUSLY A BETTER TRAFFIC CIRCULATION.

SO WHEN STATE ROAD 313 IS COMPLETED THAT WILL REREEVE HOLMES BOULEVARD TWELS US-1 AND OTHER ROADWAYS IN COUNTY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO THE NEARLY $34 MILLION IN NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS HAS NO COMMITMENT WHATSOEVER.

>> THERE'S NO COMMITMENT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A NEED WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE A MAJOR ROADWAY PLANNED THAT WILL RELIEVE THAT FACILITY. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL NEVER NEED TO BE FOUR-LANED. I DON'T KNOW THAT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WHEN IS IT PROJECTED THAT 313 WILL BE

COMPLETED? >> THE FIRST LEG WE'LL START CONSTRUCTION SOON WHICH IS STARTING AT 207.

WHERE 312 CURRENTLY IS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GO STRAIGHT ACROSS AND CONNECT TO HOLME BOULEVARD. THAT'S ALL THAT IS FUNDED FOR CONSTRUCTION. THE DOT AND THE COUNTY, THAT IS OUR, THE COUNTY'S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, I BELIEVE ON OUR LIST, AND THE DOT CONTINUES TO FUND THE ROADWAY EVERY YEAR THEY ADD MORE MONEY TO ACQUIRE RIGHT-OF-WAY, DO DESIGN, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO --

>> DR. HILSENBECK: BUT IN TERMS OF AN ESTIMATE --

>> I CAN'T TELL WHEN THE ENTIRE ROADWAY WILL BE FULLY

CONSTRUCTED. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU.

GOOD ANSWERS. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE ONE. IN YOUR DISCUSSION, BRAD, WITH THE COLLEGE, WAS THERE EVER ANY SORT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT A PEDESTRIAN OR VEHICULAR CONNECTION TO EITHER THEIR DRIVEWAY OR THE ROAD THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO THE PROPERTY TO THE

SOUTH? >> BRAD WESTER: SO ON THE RECORD, SEPTEMBER 28TH WAS THE FIRST TIME WE MET.

WE REACHED OUT TO THE COLLEGE. WE REACHED OUT TO MELISSA MILLER. SHE'S THE JD, VICE PRESIDENT AND CAMPUS DIRECTOR, ASSISTANT CAMPUS DIRECTOR I BELIEVE OF THE PLACKA CAMPUS. THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THE TIME MR. PETH UNIT REACHED US TO REACH OUT TO THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY AND SO WE DID AND WE SENT EMAILS.

WE ALSO SHARED CONCEPTS, VERY HIGH LEVEL CONCEPTS UP TO 2 FNT 50 DWELLING UNITS AT THE TIME, AND WE THOUGHT INTERCONNECTIVITY WOULD BE A GREAT INNING. MULTI-FAMILY NEXT TO A GROWING COLLEGE, GROWING CAMPUS TO BE A PHENOMENAL THING AS FAR AS THE GROWTH FOR THAT CAMPUS AND HAVING A RENTAL COMMUNITY NEXT DOOR, AND WE DID APPROACH THEM ABOUT PROVIDING A SIDEWALK LINK CONNECTION THROUGH THIS BUFFER AREA TO THEIR PARKING LOT AND THEIR ROADWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

AT THE TIME WE VETTED THE EXISTING PUD FOR THIS -- FOR THE CAMPUS, AND EVEN JUST PENETRATING THAT BUFFER WITH A PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR, EVEN A 4-FOOT SIDEWALK, WOULD TAKE MOST LIKELY A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THAT PUD BECAUSE YOU'RE IMPACTING A BUFFER AND YOU'RE KIND OF LINK IN ADJACENT USE, SO WE FELT, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THAT WAS QUITE A HEAVY LIFT, AND WE FELT THAT ALSO THERE MIGHT NOT BE THAT NEED BECAUSE THERE ARE SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS ELSEWHERE.

IN THAT WE HAVE EXRS EXISTING STWHAWKS ON STROOT 16 THAT LINK COLLEGE DRIVE AND THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT GOES FROM STATE ROAD 16 DOWN KENTON MORRISON ALL THE WAY TO THERE'S THERE'S A SANITARY SEWER LIFT STATION RIGHT HERE.

FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT SIDEWALK STOPS RIGHT THERE.

AND SO THERE ARE SOME SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS GENERALLY TO THE

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BUT WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND WE FELT THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE QUITE DAUNTING TO JUST MODIFY AN ENTIRE PUD THAT SEEMS TO COMPOTIS NATURALLY FOR THE GROWTH OF THE CAMPUS JUST TO ADD A SIDEWALK CONNECTION WHEN WE COULD DO IT BY OTHER MEANS IF NEEDED. AND SO WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION EARLY ON THROUGH -- BASED ON INTERCONNECTED.

BUT NO VEHICLE ROADS. IT WAS ONLY EVER PEDESTRIAN

CONNECTION. >> MR. MATOVINA: AND IF YOU WERE TO TACKLE THAT HERCULEAN TASK WAS WAS THE COLLEGE OPEN TO

IT. >> BRAD WESTER: WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T GET THAT FAR FOR THE REASON OF TYPE OF MODIFICATION TO THEIR PUD IT WOULD REQUIRE. AND I THINK BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF IT ALL POTENTIALLY UP TO NINE TO 12 MONTH PROCESS WITH DESIGN AND ALL KIND OF CHANGE ELEMENTS TO THE PUD, THAT IT PROBABLY WASN'T THE MOST FEASIBLE WAY TO CONNECT THEIR, CONSIDERING THEY ARE EVER THERE ARE EXISTING WALKS ST IN THE COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY ADJACENT TO PROPERTY AND ADJACENT TO THE SCHOOL'S PROPERTY, AND THAT'S KIND OF ESSENTIALLY WHERE WE LYFT IT. AT THE TIME THE SCHOOL VOICED NO OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT. BUT SINCE THEN THEY HAVE HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT, AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY GRACIOUS TO MEET WITH, AND SO HAVE THE RESIDENTS, AND WE UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE RELAYED ALL THE FACTS AT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND AT THE TRUSTEE MEETINGS, AND, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A VERY COMPATIBLE USE AND FABRIC.

SENATE OF, I'LL POINT TO ONE ELEMENT OVER HERE.

THIS ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE HAS 600 PLUS RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND 200 PLUS UNITS ARE A THREE-STORY CONDOMINIUM IN THIS LOCATION HERE. SO WE WOULD BE UP TO A THREE-STORY MULTI-FAMILY FOR RENT COMMUNITY, BUT WE FEEL THAT IS A VERY GOOD HOUSING OPTION AND HOUSING PRODUCT TYPE THAT'S VERY COMMENSURATE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE LAND USE FABRIC THE IN AREA IN THAT THAT THREE-STORY PRODUCT RESIDES NEXT DOOR, BUT REGARDLESS, IT'S ALL INTERCONNECTED BY SIDEWALKS.

AND AS I SAID BEFORE THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO US, THE COLLEGE AS ACCESS TO STATE ROAD 16 AND ACCESS TO KENTON MORRISON. MISSION TRACE WHICH IS A COMBINED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PUD, HAS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR ACCESS POINTS. THREE TO KENTON MORRISON AND ONE UP TO STATE ROAD 16. AND THE STATE PATROL OFFICE HAS TWO WELL AS WELL, ONE TO INTERESTING.

>> THE ONE TO STATE ROAD SEASON. VERY LOW INTENSITY BECAUSE IT'S JUST FOR TO HIGHWAY PATROL. BUT CLEARLY BASED ON 1989 ORDINANCE THAT AUTHORIZES UP TO THREE ACCESS POINTS, INCLUDING KENTON MORRISON, CERTAINLY WOULD BE A CARRY OVER AND THE COUNTY REQUIRES TO US LINK THAT ACCESS POINT UP TO THAT EXISTING SECONDARY ACCESS TO THE SHOCKING CENTER, WHICH WOULD BE RIGHT IN THIS LOCATION HERE. SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THAT

QUESTION. >> MR. MATOVINA: IT WAS A LITLE MORE ANSWER THAN I NEEDED BUT I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT IT. , AND THAT IS IS THERE GOING TO BE A FENCE ALONG THAT SOUTHERN BOUNDARY?

>> BRAD WESTER: A FENCE WAS BROUGHT UP REGARDING WHAT KIND OF BUFFERING THERE WOULD BE E. JUST DEBESIDES LANDSCAPING AND A 10-FOOT BUFFER, AND WE DID SAY WE WOULD ADD A CONDITION TO PROVIDE A MITCHELL A 6-FOOT FENCE.

100% OPAQUE FENCE TO ADD TO THE EXISTING VEGETATIVE SCREENING THAT'S OUT THERE, WE'LL BUILD A NZ MANMADE SCREEN WHICH WILL BE ADJACENT TO THE FENCING WE PUT BACK ON THE PROPERTY.

WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE YESTERDAY.

THAT IS A VERY COMMON SENSE QUESTION ASKED WHICH DESCRIBED WOULD KIND OF HELP ALLEVIATE FOLKS FROM TRA ADVISORRING ON THE PROPERTY. A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO WALK THEIR DOGS ON THE COLLEGE CAMPUS, AND IN THE PAST IT HAS BECOME AN ISSUE FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT WUBT BUT CLEARLY WE WOULD HAVE OUR OWN DOG PARK, IF YOU WILL, ON THE PROPERTY.

SO A FENCE WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE THAT IRCHLTS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHAT ABOUT THE EASTBOUND?

>> BRAD WESTER: I'M SORRY, SORRY? THE EASTBOUNDERY, YES, WE WOULD NOSE MOST LIKE TO A FRONT TO THE DESCROOD JEAN WERE THE CUSH APPEAL AND THE PROPERTY IS SPACING STATE ROAD 16 SO WE WOULD PROVIDE A FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY IN ADDITION TO OUR LANDSCAPE SCREENING.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SPI ASSUME YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH SAME

ALONG THE WEST BOUNDARY. >> BRAD WESTER: IT IS.

IF YOU WILL ALLOW ME BOG WALK REAL QUICK, YOU CAN SEE VEGETATIVE LAND COVERAGE IS REALLY THICK IN THIS AREA.

I'LL POINT ON IT RIGHT NOW. THIS IS ALL PINE PLANTATION IN THIS AREA. WE CURRENTLY AS PROGRAMMED, THIS IS OUR OFFICIAL MDP BUT THIS IS AN ILLUSTRATIVE VERSION OF THAT.

YOU CAN SEE THIS CORNER PIECE IS ABOUT 120 FEET FROM THIS PROPERTY LINE TO THE NEAREST TRASH CLOSURE AND THE PARKING AREA WHICH WOULD REMAIN IN ITS VEGETATIVE STATE.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO PINE TREES IN ADDITION TO THE 10-FOOT

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REMAIN THERE KIND OF ABUTTING THE SECONDARY ACCESS POINT OUT THE ON KENTON MORRISON AND WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM TO BE ABLE TO

DO THAT. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THE FROM MEMBERS OF THE AGENCY? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE INTO PUBLIC SPEAKING TIME.

HOW MANY CARDS DO WE HAVE? >> MS. PERKINS: 11 SPEAKER

CARDS. >> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE 11 SPEAKERS CARDS. IF YOU WOULD WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED WOULD YOU MOVE PASS QUIBBLE AS POSSIBLE TO THE

PODIUM, PLEASE. >> MS. PERKINS: RON BROWN.

>> SPEAKER: >> GOOD AFTERNOON, BRON BROWN SCRUN SOUTH DIXIE HIGHWAY IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

I SERVE AS LEGAL COWRNTION OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF STREDGES. MR. WESTER INDICATED THE DEVELOPER'S CLIENTS AND REPRESENTATIVES CAME AND TALKED WITH BOTH OUR BOARD POINT PERSON ON THAT RICHARDND COMAO AND THEN OUR ENTIRE BOARD YESTERDAY. MR. COMMANDO HAD A VERY STRONG ENTRANCE IN THIS SINCE HE IS A STRDGES RESIDENT AND ALSO A LOCAL LAND USE ATTORNEY AND SERVES ON THE COUNTY'S HOUSING AND FINANCE AUTHORITY SO HE KEEPS TRACK OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS AND THE BOARD ASKED HIM TO TAKE THE LEAD.

WE HAVE FOUR CONCERNS. THE FIRST ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE LEVEL OF INTENSITY. THE COLLEGE DOESN'T HAVE A BASIC CONCERN CONCERNING THE FACT THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE, OF COURSE, PREFER SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SINCE THAT WOULD HAVE THE LEAST IMPACT ON THE COLLEGE. TO THE EXTENT E. EXTENT THEY WANT TO BUILD APARTMENTS, THE TRUSTEES FOUND THAT TO BE RELATIVELY INTENSE, PERHAPS TOO INTENSE USE OF THE PROPERTY.

WE HAD LIKE TO SEE TOWNHOUSES, SOMETHING THAT WOULD WERE I THE INTENSITY LEVELS DOWN CLOSER TO THE 170 RANGE WHICH I THINK IS A STANDARD 13 UNITS PER ACRE. I THINK THERE ARE ABOUT 13 ACRES OF DEVELOPABLE PROPERTY ON THAT SECTION AFTER YOU TAKE OUT THE JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS. SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE LESS OF AN IMPACT ON THE COLLEGE.

THE COLLEGE IS PRIMARILY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT YOOCT.

THE IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THE IMPACT OF THE TRAFFIC.

SO SOMETHING THAT REDUCING THAT. COMMENTS WERE MADE CONCERNING ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE. THEY HAVE THREE-STORY CONDOS OVER THERE. 23U LOOK AT THE SITE THAN PLAN YOU'LL NOTICED ATTORNEY GENERAL PROPERTIES AFFECTED ARE OTHER PROPERTIES ON THE ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE.

IT'S SO FAR AWAY FROM ANYTHING ELSE THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE THE KIND OF IMPACT THAT A 45-FOOT STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE OUR CAMPUS WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SOUTHERN BOARD OF DEVELOPED PROPERTY. WE'D LIKE TO SEE LESS INTESTINES DEVELOPMENT, REALLY SHORTER BUILDINGS.

THEY'VE COME DOWN TO 45 FEET AS THEIR MAXIMUM.

ADDITIONAL BUFFERING THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED CONCERNING THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCES THE HIGHER THE BETTER.

10 FEET WE WOULD BE REALLY NICE AS FAR AS THE COLLEGE IS CONCERNED. WE UNDERSTAND THAT 6 IS PROPOSED. WE WILL MENTION THAT THAT PINE TREE BUFFER IS THERE, YES, BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE THROUGH THOSE.

IT'S NOT LIKE A STOLD WALL OF VEGETATION.

THE MOOCS AMOUNT OF BUFFERING TO SEPARATE THEM FROM THE COLLEGE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HIGHLY DESIRABLE.

TRAFFIC, QUESTION THERE'S TRAFFIC ISSUES.

THE NORTH EXIT FROM THE SUBDIVISION OR THE DEVELOPMENT ONLY GOES WEST. EXCUSE ME.

ONLY GOES EAST. THERE'S NO WAY TO GO WEST OR NORTH OR SOUTH OUT OF THE NORTH ENTRANCE OR NORTH EXIT FROM THE PROPERTY. THE KENTON ROAD EXIT COMPLICATES THINGS IN THE SENSE THAT THAT'S A PRIMARY ACCESS TO AND FROM THE COLLEGE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO GO IN ANY DIRECTION.

WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THAT, ESPECIALLY DURING OUR RUSH HOURS, WOULD START TO POSE SOME DIFFICULTIES.

WHAT WE DO NOT WANT IS TO CREATE A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE PEOPLE WILL THEN START FINDING A SHORTCUT THROUGH COLLEGE ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH THE POSTPONEMENT BOTTOM OF THE CAMPUS TO GET BACK ONTO KEN TONIGHT MORRISON IF THEY WANT TO GO IN THAT VEHICLES.

WE MENTIONED THE BUFFERING. CAMPUS IMPACT, AGAIN WE HAD LIKE TO REDUCE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO LIABLE HOOD THAT PEOPLE WHO FLIF IN THAT SUBDIVISION ARE GOING TO BE USING OUR CAMPUS FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES THAT AREN'T NECESSARY.

IT'S AN OPEN CAMPUS BUT WE DO WANT TO LIMIT THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: CHARLIE GAINEY. GAMELEY.

IS CHARLIE HERE? CHARLIE GAINLEY.

WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE. MARTY COLLIE.

>> SPEAKER: WE HAVE A SERIES POWERPOINTS.

[INDECIPHERABLE] GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS DR. MARTHA BURKE HEARTED COAL. I LIVE AT 86 MISSION WOODS WAYN=. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE LOW DENSITY OF THE EXISTING LAND USE.

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THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED AS AN INFILLED AND AN URBANIZED, UNURBAN I'D AREA. THIS TERM LEGALLY, AS DEFINED BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT FOR CENSUS PURPOSES, ADDRESSES ST. AUGUSTINE AS A DENSELY SETTLED URBAN CORE REQUIRED FOR THAT DEFINITION THE SURROUNDING AREAS INCLUDE THE SUBJECT PARCEL AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES DO NOT FIT THE DEFINITION OF URBANIZED AREA.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE EXISTINGED WOOD SITE WITH MATURE VEGETATION AND WETLANDS, THEY INCLUDE THE SOUTHERN FINGER OF TWELVE MILE SWAMP. THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COLLEGE AND ACROSS THE WAY ON THE UPPER RIGHT IS THE ENTRANCE TO MISSION TRACE. AND YOU CAN SEE THE PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER AS FAR AS THE EXTERNAL FEATURES OF THE BUILDING AND THEN THE BANK THAT'S ON THE CORNER IN THE LOWER RIGHT. THERE ARE 90 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FULLY BUILT OUT, 90% ARE OWNER OCCUPIED, 5% MULTI-YEAR RENTERS, 80% SINGLE-STORY, AND 20% IS EITHER A STORY AND A HALF OR TWO STORIES. AND NOW YOU CAN SEE THE SHOPS, THE ENTRANCE DOWN TO THE COLLEGE.

YOU CAN SEE THE BUS DOWN THERE COMING OUT OF THE COLLEGE.

YOU CAN SEE THE WOODED AREAS THAT ARE SURROUNDING THIS.

BUT THE ONE -- I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT I WANT YOU TO SEE IS THE REQUEST MADE TO CONSIDER CONTINUING THE SPANISH COLONIAL ARCHITECTURAL THEME AS INITIATED BY ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COLLEGE AND MISSION TRACE RESIDENTIAL SHOPS, AND THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER IS AN ARROW THAT HAS BEEN SUPER IMPOSED FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE 45-FOOT BUILDING NEXT TO THE TOWER AND DOWN IN THE FOURTH PHOTOGRAPH IS THE HIGHWAY PATROL.

AND I ALSO, ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS A 45-FOOT TALL BUILDING THAT'S THE LANDING THAT IS ON HIGHWAY 1 GOVERNMENT COMPLEX.

THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: MARGERY

MARTIN. >> SPEAKER: I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PARKS. THERE'S A POWERPOINT FOR IT

ALSO. >> MR. MATOVINA: CAN YOU PULL THE MIC DOWN, MA'AM. PULL THAT DOWN.

>> SPEAKER: IS THAT BETTER? OKAY.

I'LL MARGERY MARTIN, SECRETARY OF THE MISSION TRACE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND I RESIDE AT 44 MISSION COVE CIRCLE.

AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PARKS TODAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN CLICK AND TALK AT THE SAME TIME, SO I MIGHT NOT CLICK. BUT ANYHOW, THIS IS -- I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS WAIVER ON THE PARKS FROM 2.9 TO 2.49 ACRES.

AS A RESULT OF THE ALLEGED URBAN INFILL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THE PARKS, JOE POMMER PARK AND COLLIER PARK ARE BOTH ABOUT 2 MILES FROM THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT IS NOT WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. THE GOLF COURSE IS THERE, AS YOU HEARD FROM MR. WESTER. IT IS PRIVATE BUT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. TWELVE MILE SWAMP CONSERVATION AREA TRAILHEAD IS ABOUT 12 MILES NORTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

SO WHAT IS WALKING DISTANCE? A DISTANCE OF A QUARTER OF A MILE IS OFTEN USED IN ACCEPTABLE WALK DISTANCE RESEARCH STUDIES,

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PARK EQUITY RESEARCH ALSO SUPPORTS THE 2-POINT -- THE .25-MILE STANDARD. -HOURHOWEVER, SEVERAL SHOULD IS SHOW THAT A HALF MILE WALK IS WELL WITHIN A REASONABLE DISTANCE FOR MOST PEOPLE. MR. WESTER IN HIS TESTIMONY AT THE LAST MEETING ON THE 19TH OF MAY STATED THAT WE ARE LITERALLY WITHIN WALKING AND BICYCLING DISTANCE TO SO MANY USES. IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO NOT BE BURDENED BY ALMOST 3 ACRES OF PARK INTERIOR TO THE PROPERTY.

THE AMOUNT OF PARKS NEARBY WITH THE AMOUNT OF SERVICES NEARBY, IN FACT, WALKABILITY AND BIKEABILITY AND NOT HAVING TO GET IN A CAR TO GO ANYWHERE, THAT WAS MY JUSTIFICATION ABOUT THE HALF ACRE IN THE PARK. BUT OUR WALKS IN OUR AREA IS 35 OUT OF 100 ACCORDING TO WALKS SCORE.

THANK YOU. WE ARE CAR DEPENDENT.

WE'RE NOT WALKING ANYWHERE. MOST ERRANDS REQUIRE A CAR.

A BIKE SCORE OF 39 OUT OF 100. IT'S SOMEWHAT BIKEABLE, MINIMAL BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE COMPARED TO DOWNTOWN ST. AUGUSTINE, A WALK SCORE OF 65 OUT OF 100 AND A BIKE SCORE OF 79 OUT OF 100.

>> I'M JUST GOING TO CLICK REALLY QUICK.

I'M SORRY. BUT YOU NEED TO SEE THAT THE PARKS ARE DEFICIENT, THAT THE AREAS THAT HE HAS SHOWN, THE

TRAILHEAD DOES NOT WORK. >> MR. MATOVINA: MA'AM.

>> SPEAKER: CAN'T TESTIFY? ALL RIGHT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHO IS NEXT? >> MS. PERKINS: CHARLIE

COWLEY. >> SPEAKER: I WILL BE FOLLOWING -- [INDECIPHERABLE]

>> MS. PERKINS: OKAY. CHUCK LAB LEBANON CHUCK.

>> SPEAKER: 1748 NORTH CAPPERO.

I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ON THESE WAIVERS.

WE SEEM TO BE ADDING MORE AND MORE CAVERS EVER WHATEVER I TO DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS. IF WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW, HE WANTS TO TAKE AND GAIN A HALF ACRE ON THE EASEMENT AREA.

THE BUFFER. NOW HE WANTS TO GO BACK AND TAKE OUT A HALF ACRE OF RECREATIONAL.

SO THAT GIVES HIM AN ACRE TO BUILD MORE DENSITY IN THAT LOCATION. IT DOES NOT NEED MORE DENSITY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE ROADWAYS.

THIS IS THEIR LOCATION. WHAT'S NOT FACTORED INTO THESE REPORTS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AT THE NEW OUTLET MALL AREA. THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THAT RESIDENTIAL IN THERE. HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT 16? THIS AREA HERE IN THE BLUE, THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW. IT'S MASS CLEARED RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S GOING TO ADD THOUSANDS MORE VEHICLES TO 16, WHICH IS NOT SHOWING UP AS AN INADEQUATE IN THAT AREA, ABOUT THE GUARANTEE WHEN THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENTS ARE DONE, IT WILL BE NAD GAT. YOU'VE GOT THE TWO -- INADEQUATE. YOU'VE GOT HOLMES BOULEVARD THAT'S GOING TO BE AFFECTED DEFINITELY.

SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THESE WAIVERS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH.

BUT ALSO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE WETLANDS.

WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW AT 74% OF THAT PROPERTY, THE WETLANDS ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED. 74%.

JUST SO YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS.

AND I BISH THEY WOULD SHOW ON IT ALL THEIR LAY-OUTS.

THIS IS THE LAYOUT. THE BLUE AREA IS THE CURRENT WETLAND. THE GREEN AREA IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE PRESERVED. 74% OF THE WETLAND IS GOING TO BE GONE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT, OUR AQUIFER IN THIS AREA IS A SHALLOW AQUIFER.

WE NEED THE WETLAND TO FILTER THE COMMANDMENTS OUT OF THE WATER. -- CONTAMINANTS.

OUR SHALLOW AQUIFER IS BEING TREATED WITH CHEMICALS SO IT'S DRINKABLE. YOU START TAKING AWAY THE NATURAL FILTER AND IT'S GOING TO BE WORSE.

PLEASE DENY IT. OR AT LEAST DELAY IT FOR 16.

THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: DR. LESLIE

KEITH. >> SPEAKER: DR. LESS LIE KEYS TWO R.7 MIX GOVE CIRCLE I'M AIM AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNER AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE MISSION HOAPS ASSOCIATION.

EACH OF YOU RECEIVED EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE AFTER THE LAST HENRY ABOUT MY BACKGROUND AND EXPERTISE AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO ATTEND THE FIRST HEARING.

I DID THE DISASTER IN TEXAS AND FLORIDA AND IT'S HURRICANE

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WE HAD A MEETING TWO DAYS AGO AT 4:00.

A LOT OF REFERENCE HAS BEEN MADE TO 1989 AND I'M SURE SOME OF YOU REMEMBER THAT THE COURTHOUSE AT THE TIME WAS THE CASA MOAN CAW HOTEL SO PROBABLY WE DON'T NEED TO ADDRESS 1989 ANYMORE JUST AS INFORMATION. I WANT TO GO BACK, IF IT'S OKAY AND PULL UP THAT PARK SO I CAN SHOW YOU THE REST OF THOSE PICT.

BECAUSE IT IS PRETTY CRITICAL. PART OF THE WAIVER HERE ADDRESSES FOUR PARKS. THE TRAILHEAD FOR TWELVE MILE SWAMP CONSERVATION AREA AT THE SOUTHERN END HAS NEVER BEEN COMPLETED. IT DOES NOT EXIST.

IT IS 12.8 MILES NORTH OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND ACCESSED OFF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY.

ALL THE LAND IS STILL FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT THREE YEARS UNDER LOGGING AND TIMBERING. THE POMAR PARK HAS NO SIDEWALKS OFF MASTER'S DRIVEWAY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 400 BLOCK WHICH IS NEAR KING STREET AND THE 1600 BLOCK WHICH IS THE BLOCK OF SIDEWALK THAT THE CITY PUT IN WHEN THEY DEVELOPED POMAR PARK ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. THE ACCESS ROAD TO THE GOLF COURSE IS A PRIVATE VEET. COLLIER BLOCKER PURCHASE YU PARK IS THE PARK NEXT TO WHERE THE A.L. LEWIS ARCH WAS MOVED FROM FLORIDA MEMORIAL COLLEGE SO IT IS NEAR MURRAY MIDDLE SCHOOL A KING AND HOLMES AND AGAIN THERE ARE NOT CONTINUOUS SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY ALONG THERE. WHEN YOU GET BASS THE GRAVEL PIT AFTER YOU JOG BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE STREETS BELIEVE IT OR NOT THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ALONG PROPERTY SO THERE IS NOT AN ABILITY TO USE CONTINUOUS SIDEWALKS ON THAT.

AND THERE'S SOME OF THIS ON THE SWAMP.

AND THE DOCUMENTS I PULLED OFF THE RIGHT NOW FOR ST. JOHN RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT THAT YOU CAN SEE AS WELL.

AND ME DRIVING CAREFULLY SLOWLY A CUND SUNDAY MORNING TAKING PICTURES OF NO SIDEWALKS. AND THEN IF WE CAN DO THE ONE WITH TRADITION A NEIGHBOR TRADID DEVELOPMENT.

I'M JUST GOING TO. ♪ THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THIS MEANS TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT.

IT IS DOES NOT MEET URBAN. I HAVE TWO FRIENDS WITH THAT AND WE'LL FAST JUST SHOW YOU THAT, WELL WHY I'VE DONE A CITY PLANNING ARTICLE. IT DOESN'T WORK.

IT'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU. MICHAEL SPADE.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. SNAKES MIKE SPADE A DRESS TWONT 1 MISSION TRACE DRIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF ST. AUGUSTINE FOR 13 YEARS AND THE LAST 12 I'VE LIVED AT MY PRESENT ADDRESS FOR 12 YEARS.

I'M NOT AGAINST GROWTH, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT GROWTH SHOULD BE BOTH SMART AND SAFE SUSPECT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS EITHER. THE INTERSECTION OF SR16 AND KENTON MORRISON IS ALREADY REALLY CONGESTED AND DANGEROUS.

DUMPING ANOTHER 500 PLUS CARS WITH TRIPS ESTIMATED BY THE COUNTY TO BE 1600 DRIVING IN AND OUT OF THIS INTERSECTION OR ON FOUR MILE ROAD CONSTITUENT SENATOR OR SAFE FOR THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. COORDINATING TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS WORKSHEET DATED APRIL OF 2022, THE CLOSE TOES THIS SITE ARE ALREADY OVERLOADED AND CONSIDERED EXRIBLG AND/OR DEFICIENT.

BUT I WOULD ALSO MENTION THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE BEFORE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY APPROVED, INCLUDING PUD 202201 WHICH IS ON 16 BETWEEN IN9 AND STRATTON WHICH WILL ADD ABOUT 200 AND SOME MULTI-UNIT DEVELOPMENT UNITS WHICH WERE ALL APPROVED IN MAY HERE, AND WILL IMPACT TRAFFIC BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ON SR16 EAST OF WOODLAWN, KENTON MORRISON AND FOUR MILE ROAD.

FOUR MILE ROAD WITH HOLMES, KENT MORRISON AND SR15 IS SCRD DEFICIENT A 151% OF CAPACITY. HOLMES ROAD, 207 TO REST KING STREET DEFICIENT 13% OF CAPACITY.

SR16, FOUR MILE ROAD TO WOOD LAN/KENTON MORRIS ON CRITICAL AT 98% CAPACITY. HOLMES ROAD FROM CR 14 TO FOUR MILE ROAD CRITICAL AT NEEFN% OF CAPACITY.

AND KENTON MORRISON FROM FOUR MILE ROAD TO VR IS CONSIDERED

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THAT WILL DEPEND ON WHO MOVES INTO THOSE APARTMENTS AND WHERE THEY WORK. COMMON SENSE AND CURRENT PRACTICE WOULD SEEM TO INDICATE OTHERWISE.

DRIVERS THAT WANT TO GO TO JACKSONVILLE TO WORK OR GO TO PUBLIX TURN RIGHT, DRIVE ANOTHER MILE EAST, MAKE A U-TURN AT THE LIGHT WHERE IT'S SAFE AND COME BACK OR WILL THEY DO WHAT MAKES MORE SENSE, WITH THAT MOST PEOPLE DO TO AVOID TRAFFIC IS CUT THROUGH THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT ON KENTON MORRISON SO THEY CAN TO GO FOUR MILE OR THE 16 OR CUT ACROSS TO TRY TO GET INTO PUBLIX OR WILL THEY GO TO THE COLLEGE AND CUT THROUGH THERE TO GO TO KENTON MORRISON. CURRENTLY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVERS ARE ALREADY AGITATED IN THE PUBLIX PARKING LOT AND CUT THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT. SO FOR PUBLIC SAFETY REASONS I'M ASKING YOU TO NOT APPROVE THIS PROPOSAL AS-IS AND WOULD REQUEST MODIFICATIONS TO REDUCE THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT AND REMOVE THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT ACCESS TO KENTON MORRISON.

THANK YOU. I'M SORRY PINCHTS DAILY QUARRY.

>> MS. PERKINS: DALE QUARRY. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS DALE QUARRY. AND WE LIVE AT 122 MISSION TRACE DRIVE, ST. AUGUSTINE. I WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE DIFFERENT APPROACH REGARDING PROPERTY VALUES.

APPROXIMATELY FOUR YEARS AGO MY WIFE AND I DECIDED TO MOVE FROM CALIFORNIA TO THE EAST COAST. OUR SON IS A LIEUTENANT COLONEL IN THE MARINES AND HE SUGGESTED, STRONGLY SUGGESTED ST. AUGUSTINE NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF ITS THE OLDEST CITY IN AMERICA BUT FOR ITS BEAUTY AND HERITAGE. EXCUSE ME.

AFTER A CROSS-COUNTRY TOUR, WE DECIDED THAT MISSION TRACE AND THE SURROUNDING AREA WAS THE BEST PLACE FOR US.

I AM A RETIRED GENERAL ENGINEERING EXRAR AND MY WIFE AND I ARE BOTH REAL ESTATE BROKERS.

AND WE CERTAINLY KNOW OR UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR GOOD PROPERTY VALUES. WE WORKED WITH BERKSHIRE HATH A WAUGH AND WARREN BUFFETT WHO OWNS BERKSHIRE ALWAYS DEMANDED THAT HIS 1400 OFFICES REALIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF PROTECTING THE FINANCIAL INTERESTS OF THEIR CLIENTS AT ALL TIMES AND NEVER JEOPARDIZE THEIR INVESTMENT. WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT ANY INVESTOR IS ENTITLED TO A REASONABLE RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY. BUT AS HOMEOWNERS IN THE SAME AREA, WE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTECT OUR HOMES.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERS.

CAN ANYONE THIS ROOM -- EXCUSE ME -- TELL US HOW 238 UNITS, THREE-STORY APARTMENTS THAT WILL GENERATE 1500 ADDITIONAL CARS DAILY, ALL WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, ACTUALLY INCREASE THE VALUE OF PROPERTIES OF OUR HOMES? WAL KNOW THAT WE CAN'T STOP PROGRESS, BUT IT'S REALLY THE PROGRESS OR THE DETERMINATION IS THE REAL ISSUE HERE AT THIS POINT. BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER ALSO OWNS THE APARTMENT MANAGEMENT COMPANY, THE ENTIRE TENANT SELECTION AND OCCUPANCY CRITERIA WOULD BE TOTALLY UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE OWNER. AS AN EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE RENTS ONE OF THE UNITS, WHAT -- AND WHAT WOULD KEEP THEM FROM BRINGING ANOTHER OCCUPANT ONTO THE PROPERTY JUST TO HELP WITH THE EXPENSES AND SO FORTH? AT THE SAME TIME, WOULD THERE BE ANYTHING THAT WOULD KEEP THE OWNER FROM RENTING TOTALLY TO THE COLLEGE STUDENTS, FOR AN EXAMPLE? I'M CERTAINLY NOT AGAINST COLLEGE STUDENTS.

I WAS ONE OF THEM MYSELF. AND I'M NOT AGAINST ANYBODY.

BUT IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? I'M OUT OF TIME.

I HAD A FEW MORE THINGS BUT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: GENE PENNY.

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>> SPEAKER: YES. JAMES DR. JEAN PENNY AND I LIVE AT 88UTINA WAUGH. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY.

MY COMMENTS WILL BE SHORT AND SWEET.

HERE'S A NOVEL IDEA. LEAVE THE ZONING COMMERCIAL AND PUT IN SOMETHING WE ALL WANT. WHO WOULDN'T LOVE A BEST BUY IN ST. AUGUSTINE OR A TRADER JOE'S? EXPAND THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

CONSIDER A UNF SATELLITE BLANCH. FOR THAT MATTER, WHAT ABOUT UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL FLORIDA? UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, TALLAHASSEE. UNDERSTAND THE OUTLET MALLS ARE CLOSING. WOULD THERE BE TRAILERS IN THERE WHO WOULD WANT TO REMAIN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY OR IN TERMS OF RESTAURANTS, WOULD ANYBODY OBJECT TO A SARDIS OF NEW YORK SOUTH OR MAYBE A TRADER JOE'S NORTH OR PERHAPS LET'S JUST SAY SCOMA'S OF SAN FRANCISCO EAST. GET THE IDEA.

I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT RESIDENTIAL IS REALLY A GOOD IDEA FOR THIS PARCEL.

IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL. WE CAN ALWAYS USE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

>> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU. SHARON PEHRSONIT.

>> AND GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

I AM HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU NOT TO LET THIS DEVELOPER BUILD 238 HOUSING UNITS ON THE PROPOSED PROPERTY BE BE.

NOT ONLY WILL THIS HAVE A NEGATIVITY IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC BUT THE PROSPECT OF THEM ONLY HAVING A BUFFER OF 10 FEET IS UNCONSCIONABLE. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THE BACK SIDE OF ANY APARTMENT BUILDING WHILE DRIVING ON STATE ROUTE 16.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I BEG YOU TO NOT LET ANY DEVELOPER DESTROY OUR BEAUTIFUL ST. AUGUSTINE AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THIS REQUEST IS FOR QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THIS GENERATION AND THE FUTURE. PLEASE DON'T LET THE DEVELOPER MAKE THIS AREA BECOME LIKE THAT AWFUL, AWFUL PALM COAST.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MS. PERKINS: SHARON WEEK CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE ADDRESS.

>> SPEAKER: I'M VERY SORRY. IT IS SHARON%ONET, 62 COLUSA

CROSSING. >> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU.

TERRANCE O'LEARY. >> SPEAKER: THERE WE GO.

MY NAME IS TERRY O'LEARY LIVE AT 308 MISSION TRACE DRIVE.

BEEN THERE FOR TEN YEARS. STATE ROAD 16 IS ALREADY MARGINALLY AT MAXIMUM TRAFFIC LOAD.

HOLMES ROAD, WHICH GOES ALL THE WAY TO 207, THERE IS PLANS TO EXPAND IT FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR LAWNS, ALTHOUGH CURRENTLY THAT'S BEEN PUT ON HOLD PENDING PEE ROAD 313.

MEANWHILE THE PLAN WAS MADE BECAUSE IT'S VERY BUSY.

STATE ROAD 16 IS BUSY. KENTON MORRISON RIGHT IN BETWEEN. ALSO BUSY.

TWO LANE ROAD NOT GOING TO BE EXPANDED.

ALONG THE HEAVILY TRAFFICKED KENTON MORRISON ROAD THERE ARE THREE INTERSECTIONS, TRAFFIC CONTROLLED BY STOP SIGNS.

ADD NOW MORE TRAFFIC, 100 -- SEVERAL HUNDRED PER DAY, YOU'RE NOW, THE PRIMARY EXIT, WE'RE TOLD, FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ONTO STATE ROAD 16. ONLY A RIGHT TURN GOING INTO OR A RIGHT TURN GOING OUT LEGALLY, ACCORDING TO FDOT.

IF YOU TURN RIGHT AND YOU WERE TO GO TO I-95 OR THE OUTLETS, YOU'VE GOT TO GO DOWN, MAKE A U-TURN, COME BACK OR THERE IS THIS LITTLE CUTOFF THAT SAYS "RIGHT TURN ONLY, NO U-TURN ALLOWED" TO GO TO ST. AUGUSTINE. THERE WILL BE THOSE WHO WILL TRY TO MAKE THAT ZIGZAG AND MAKE AN ILLEGAL LEFT TURN.

NOW, MORE LOGICALLY GO OUT THIS SUPPOSEDLY SECONDARY ENTRY/EXIT.

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THE SENSOR BLARING. SIRENS BLARING IT.

NEEDS TO BE OPEN AND EASY ACCESS.

SO SOME WILL COME OUT THIS WAY TO MAKE STRAIGHT ACROSS TO THE GATED COMMUNITY, IF TRACK OF ALLOWS.

IF IT DOESN'T, THEY'LL BACK UP HERE AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THIS PERSON, IT'S BACK UP, THEY WILL COME THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT, IGNORING THE 25-MILE-AN-HOUR SPEED LIMIT, SPEEDING THROUGH, IGNORING THE SIGN AND ET CETERA. THIS IS GOING TO BE DANGEROUS.

WE ALREADY HAVE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ROUTINELY CHECKING.

PLEASE, WE NEED YOUR HELP. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: CHARLIE COWLEY.

>> SPEAKER: HI, EVERYBODY. I'LL CHARLIE CAWLEY.

86 MISSION WOODS WAY, ST. AUGUSTINE.

MISSION WOODS WAY. CHECK THAT OUT.

LOOK AT THAT. RIGHT THERE.

USED TO GET UP IN THE MORNING. I HAVE A DOG NAMED THAT LOOL A AND I WALK HER AND GO TO MISSION WOODS WAY AND I COME ACROSS AND I GO OVER HERE AND I GO THROUGH ST. JOHN COLLEGE AND OVER THE BRIDGE AND BACK UP HERE AND THEN WE END UP BACK OVER HERE AND WALKING BY THE GOLF COURSE AND GO UP TO STATE ROAD 16.

WHAT A WONDERFUL THING. IT WAS ACCIDENT.

IT WAS ENJOYABLE WALK. THE DOG LOVED IT.

SHE CAN'T CHASE THE SQUIRRELS ANYMORE SO WE DON'T DO THAT WALK AS MUCH AS WE USED TO. THIS HAS BEEN PLEASANT LIVING HERE. THIS THAT IS HAS BEEN A VERY PLEASANT PLACE TO LIVE. I CAN'T NOT ENVISION WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT'S PROPOSED FOR THIS TO WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO.

YOU CANNOT AVOID THE RED ARROW SHOWING THE HEIGHT THAT I LOOK OUT MY BACK -- FROM MY BACK DECK AND SEE AFTER THIS THING IS DONE. IT WASN'T THERE BEFORE.

I DON'T WANT IT THERE. THAT'S AS CLEAR AS IT CAN BE.

WE HEARD SOME GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE WATER QUALITY OR WHAT CHUCK TALKED ABOUT AND THAT SORT OF THING.

THAT'S IMPORTANT. HEARD A LOT, A LOT ABOUT -- YOU KNOW, I'LL CONCERNED ABOUT AESTHETICS.

YOU CAN DRIVE DOWN STATE ROAD 16.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER THREE-STORY BUILDINGS? FROM INLAND DOWN TO MASTERS'? THIS IS LOOK A PIMP ON PIMPE LANDSCAPE. I'M SORRY.

AND THE MAIN THING I DO WANT TO ADDRESS HERE IS THIS ISSUE RIGHT HERE. THAT'S A GATED ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE. AND CAN YOU SEE NORTHBOUND CARS COMING UP, SOMEONE WANTING TO MAKE AN ENTRANCE.

THEY'VE GOT TO GET THEIR CARD OUT OR WHATEVER IT IS TO GET THE GATE TO GET TO IT WORK, AND IF THERE'S THREE OR FOUR OF THEM THEY'RE GOING TO LINE UP. IT'S GOING TO BE A BUMPER CAR RIDE LIKE YOU HAVE AT THE CARNIVAL.

IT'S THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT. AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE I CAN SAY. WOULD THE DEVELOPER LIKE TO PUT A GATE HERE FOR US SO WE CAN KEEP PEOPLE FROM STREAMING DOWN HERE WHEN THEY GET FRUSTRATED WITH THE PARKING AND DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE LEFT TURN, DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE RIGHT TURN AND COME DOWN MISSION WOODS WAY TO COME ACROSS HERE AND MAKE A SHORTCUT OUT OF IT? BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING IT NOW.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BEHEMOTH ACROSS THE STREET TO PUT MORE PEOPLE ON THE ROADS. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE NO

MORE SPEAKER CARDS. >> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? IF NOT, WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR THE APPLICANT'S REBUTTAL.

>> SPEAKER: MR. MATOVINA, IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION OR MAKE A POINT BEFORE CHRISTINE VALLIERE FOR THE RECORD SENIOR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. I'VE HEARD SOME DISCUSSION, MR. WESTER'S OPENING COMMENTS ABOUT CHANGES TO THE MDP TAX.

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THOSE CHANGES ARE NOT INCORPORATED IN

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I DON'T KNOW IF MR. WESTER HAS A SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES THAT HE IS PROPOSING, BUT I DO THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AS A MOTION IS CONSIDERED.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU.

>> BRAD WESTER: BRAD WESTER, DRIVER, MCAFEE HAWTHORNE & DIEBENOW, AGENT AND APPLICANT. CRS TEEN, YES, WE DO HAVE A COPY OF THE UPDATE CHANGE AND TEXT. WE DID RESUBMIT IT BUT IT WAS SUBMITTED AFTER THE STAFF REPORT WAS PREPARED SO THE COUNTY IS AWARE OF THE TEXT, BUT WE WILL PROVIDE THAT ON THE RECORD TODAY AS WELL. GOING INTO THE DIFFERENT COMMENTS ON THIS, I'LL TRY TO BE AS TIMELY AS POSSIBLE.

YOU KNOW, MR. BROWN TALKED ABOUT A LEVEL HAVE INTENSITY REGARDING TOWNHOMES, MORE OF THEM. WE HAVE 218 APARTMENT UNIT AND 20 TOWNHOMES. AND WE FEEL LOOK THOSE TOWNHOMES ARE STACKED COORDINATINGLY TO GIVE THE BEST FORM OF AND FUNCTION IN SCALE AND MASSING ON THE PROPERTY.

SO WE DO HAVE TOWNHOMES ON THE PROPERTY.

IMPACTS TO TRAFFIC, I MEAN, OUR ACCESS POINTS ARE TO STATE ROAD 16 AND KENTON MORRISON. BOTH DO NOT REQUIRE PROPORTIONATE SHARE REGARDING THE IMPACT TO EACH.

RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC, I CAN SAY THIS.

I KNOW TRAFFIC WAS DISCUSSED A LOT.

THERE IS A PERCEPTION OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF TRAFFIC VERSUS THE REALITY OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERING AND THE NUMBERS THAT ARE AT PLAY, BUT I'D LIKE TO PUT SOME DIAGRAMS UP HERE REAL QUICK. ON THIS DIAGRAM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN ZOOM IN, SO THE -- ANYWAY 1 THIS ISEST SHOWING WHERE OUR ACTION POINT IS. IT'S LINED UP ACROSS THE STREET FROM ONE OF THE SECONDARY ACCESS POINTS TO THE SHOPPING CENTER WHICH IS THE IMMEDIATE NORTHERN ACCESS POINT THAT MR. CAWLEY JUST SPOKE ABOUT ACTUALLY WANTING A FENCE ALONG HERE TO PROHIBIT OTHERS BUT THAT'S DESCRIBED IN THEIR PUD IN THEIR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IN THIS AREA IS A STRIPED SECTION OF KENTON MORRISON WHERE MY PEN IS AND THAT STRIPED SECTION THROUGH AN ENGINEERING EVALUATION FOR ACCESS EVALUATION THAT THE COUNTY WILL REQUIRE PART OF OUR ENGINEERING PLANS WILL MORINELLO LIKELY BECOME A LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO JUST BEING STRIPED THE WAY IT IS.

AVAILABLE TO THE SOUTH THERE IN THE OTHER RED AREA FOR A SMALL DECEL LANE TURN LANE, AND I'LL DESCRIBE MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT. BUT REGARDING THE BUFFER ALONG THE COLLEGE, ALSO MR. BROWN FROM THE COLLEGE MENTIONED THE BUFFERING, I TOOK THE LIBERTY TO DRIVE IN, TAKE SEVERAL PICTURES, IT IS VERY, VERY THICK, VERY, VERY TALL MATURE PINE TREES.

ROUGHLY 110 FEET UP TO OUR PROPERTY LINE FROM THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT THROUGH ALL THOSE PINE FREES IN THE SAW PALMETTOS AND THEN CLEARLY WE HAVE OUR SETBACK, OUR PARKING LOT AND THEN THE BUILDING WHICH IS SET BACK FROM PROPERTY LINE AS WELL FAIRLY SIGNIFICANTLY. SO THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF BEAUTIFUL VEGETATIVE BUFFER OUT THERE THAT ADORNS THE PROPERTY.

WHEN I LEFT THE PROPERTY FROM THE COMMUNITY MEETING, THIS IS AT 5:45 P.M. WHICH IS IN THE P.M. PEAK HOUR TIME FRAME.

I COUNTED QUARS IN THE QUEUE TO GO TO STATE ROAD, THREE.

THAT'S IT. I I HAD TO STOP, WENT INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER BE, WENT BACK TO ACCESS POINT AND TOOK MORE PICTURES AND THIS IS AT 5:47 ON JUNE 14TH AFTER THE COMMUNITY MEETING. THAT IS LOOKING DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM OUR PROPERTY AND SOUTH. NOT MANY CHARS AT ALL.

THAT'S WITHIN THE P.M. PEAK HOURS.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE RECORD THE PICTURES.

REGARDING THE THREE-STORY CONDOS, HERE'S A DEPICTION OF A THREE-STORY THREE-STORY CONDOS IN ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT ELEVATION THAT'S AVAILABLE. I MEAN, IT IS DIDN'T IT'S A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT BUT IT IS A PUBLIC GOLF COURSE THAT'S OPEN TOLD PUBLIC AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE LAND AROUND THE APARTMENTS THERE. I DID WANT TO PUT IN IT PERSPECTIVE, AND. THE ONE THING THAT WAS DISCUSSED A LOT IS THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE IMAGES, AND I APPRECIATED, YOU KNOW, MARTY CAWLEY DESCRIBING THE PERSPECTIVE THAT SHE HAD DRAWN UP WITH HOW THE 45-FOOT HEIGHT WOULD LOOK AGAINST THAT LAT TIS COMMUNICATION TOWER BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PERSPECTIVE IS ACCURATE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU WITH RELATION TO TREES AND THE ANGLE OF THAT IMAGE WITH A 45-FOOT HEIGHT VARIATION.

THE SECTION REGARDING MARGERY MARTIN MENTIONED 12 MILES AWAY FROM THE TRAILHEAD TO THE TWELVE MILE SWAMP.

THAT'S ACTUALLY INACCURATE. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO

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THIS IS A TRAIL ACCESS 5,559 FEET AWAY FROM OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY. ABOUT A MILE.

WE CAN ALL WALK A MILE OR RIDE A BIKE.

THAT IS A RECREATION ASSET THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED, AND IT IS A TRAILHEAD. A TRAILHEAD IS THE START OF A TRAIL SYSTEM, AND THAT IS A TRAILHEAD TO THE TWELVE MILE SWAMP. IT'S LISTED ON THEIR WEBSITE.

A LITTLE OVER A MILE AWAY AND IT IS ALL INTERCONNECTED BOO SIDEWALKS THE ENTIRE WAY AND EXRAWKS.

YOU KNOW, DALE QUARRY MENTIONED THE BEAUTY AND HERITAGE STAY REASON TO MOVE HERE. IT'S THE BEST PLACE FOR US.

WE AGREE 100%. THAT'S WHY I THINK A DIVERSE OPTION FOR HOUSING TYPES IS REALLY KEY FOR THIS AREA ON THIS INFILL PROPERTY. AND WE SAY IT'S A $69 MILLION INVESTMENT THAT WE'RE MAKING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.

$69 MILLION. OKAY? AND SO THIS IS NO, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S JUST A FLY-BY-NIGHT DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S A REALLY HIGH-END DIVERSE HOUSING TYPE THAT WE'RE EXCITED TO PROVIDE AND TO ACTUALLY CONTINUE THAT SAME WAY OF LIFE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS EXCITED ABOUT.

JEAN PEN AI MENTIONED BEST BUY AND UF AND UCF AND A RESTAURANT.

THAT SITE HAS SAT VACANT FOR 30 YEARS AFTER A TURNED COMMERCIAL 3730 YEARS IT SAT THERE WITHOUT ANY INTEREST.

AND RIGHT NOW WE ALL SEE THE TIMES.

IT'S A 22-YEAR LOW IN PEOPLE APPLYING FOR NEW MORTGAGES.

EVERY DAY THERE'S NEW ARTICLES ABOUT HOW HARD IT IS TO GET HOUSING RIGHT NOW. MORE SO THAN EVER THIS DIVERSE TYPE OF FOR-RENT HOUSING PRODUCT IS NEEDED.

I MEAN, THE ATTORNEY THAT IS REPRESENTED MR. COMMANDO SOITS A RESIDENTIAL BOARD ON THE COUNTY. I MEAN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I BELIEVE HE KNOWS HOW CRITICAL THE DEFICIENCY IS FOR FOR-RENT PRODUCTS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY SPECIFICALLY.

WE'RE WAY BEHIND OTHER COUNTIES. THE BUFFERING.

I CAN INCLUDE THIS ON THE RECORD AND I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO SENATE OF AND SO I'M GOING TO GO BACK OVER TO THIS BOARD HERE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY ON THE AGENCY -- I THOUGHT YOU

WERE DONE. >> BRAD WESTER: I'LL BE DONE IN ONE MINUTE. WE TALKED ABOUT A REDUCTION IN BUFFERS. THIS IS 2 MISSION TRACE PUD.

ONE OF THEIR TWAIFERS IS TO ALLOW FOR A REDUCTION IN THE 50-FOOT SETBACK FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF EASTERLY COLLECTORS TO 28 FEET. WE'RE DISPORG 20.

2 WAIVER ASK IS JUSTIFIED IN ORDER FOR THE PROJECT TO PROVIDE 22 FEET OF RESERVED RIGHT-OF-WAY ALONGETIC FOR ITS ANTICIPATED USE OF DRAINAGE. AND SIDEWALKS PER THE COUNTY ENGINEERING DIVISION. THEY ASKED FOR A WAIVER THEMSELVES SO I BELIEVE OUR BUFFER -- I BELIEVE OUR BUFFER REQUESTS ARE LEGITIMATE CHEWING OUR WAIVER REQUESTS FOR THAT FRONTAGE REDWUKS ON STATE ROAD 16.

TERRANCE TALKED ABOUT HE'S BEEN A RESIDENT FOR TEN YEARS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR, IS EXCITEMENT TO LIVE IN THE SAME AREA. MR. CAWLEY TALKED ABOUT WALKING THAT LOOL A ACROSS THE COLLEGE CAMPUS.

PLENTY PLACE TO LIVE. WE TOOK OFFENSE TO BEING CALLED A PIMPLE ON THE LANDSCAPE. WE WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH ENGINEERING 12UDY FOR ACCESS ON KENTON MORRIS ON BUT IT IS NOT A DEFICIENT FLINCHING SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ALL HAVE ACCESS TO KENTON MORRISON AS WELL. I BELIEVE THAT WRAPS UP MY REBUTTAL FOSTER TIME BEING, BUT WE'RE EXCITED AND HAPPY THAT YOU CONSIDER OUR PROJECT AND OUR REQUEST.

WE FEEL IT'S COMPATIBLE AND A VERY COMPENS RAT USE CONSIDERING THE FAP RUCK THAT'S AROUND FOR THERE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND CONSIDERING THE PROPERTY SAT VACANT FOR 30 YEARS AS COMMERCIAL, AND WE FEEL RIGHT NOW MORE THAN EVER IS TO PROVIDE A MIXTURE OF TOWNHOMES AND A MIXTURE OF APARTMENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WE WILL WITHOUT QUESTION BE EXCITED TO ADVERTISE THE PROXIMITY TO THE TWELVE MILE SWAMP CONSERVATION AREA WANT DOWNTOWN ST. AUGUSTINE, THE COLLEGE ITSELF AND THOSE SHOPPING AREAS ALL WITHIN WALKING/BIKING DISTANCE.

IT REALLY FITS THIS YES, TRAFFIC ASIDE.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR. MATOVINA:

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: BRAD, I'M JUST WONDERING WHEN YOU WERE HERE ON I BELIEVE IT WAS MAY 19TH AND YOU ASKED FOSTER CONTINUANCE THAT WAS FRANTD AND YOU GRANTED AND YOU WERE GOING TO ME THE QUICKLY WITH THE RESIDENTS AND THE STATE COLLEGE FOLKS, WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG TO MEET ABOUT THEM? I MEAN, YOU'RE CUTTING IT REALLY CLOSE. YOU JUST MET YESTERDAY DOWN IN PALATKA, RIGHT? AND TUESDAY H. TUESDAY HERE.

WHAT TOOK SO LONG TO MEET? >> BRAD WESTER: IVER GOT TELL YOU THE COLLEGE HAS BEEN UNBELIEVABLE TO WORK WITH.

DR. MELANIE BROWN, BRON RON BROWN, EVERYBODY HAS BEEN

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WE TRIED SEVERAL DAYS. WE TRIED TO AVAILABILITY TO MEE.

TOCK MORE EFFICIENT TO MEET WITH THE TRUSTEES ALL ON THE SAME DAY AND COMMUNITY THE OTHER DAY. AVAILABILITY OF COLLEGE CAMPUS.

AT TIMES THE COLLEGE CAMPUS WAS CLOSED ON CERTAIN DAYS.

THERE WAS TIMES THEY WERE UNAVAILABLE.

THERE WERE OTHER PERSONAL MATTERS THAT WHY IN PLAY HERE, WHETHER IT BE PERSONAL FAMILY VACATION TIME OR OTHER MATTERS OF ILLNESS THAT WERE UNFORESEEN THAT JUST COULDN'T MEET AND FACILITATE. BUT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY AND PRIOR TO THIS MEETING WE DID SCHEDULE THIS.

WE DID HEAR THE CONCERNS. I BELIEVE WE KNEW THE CONCERNS BUT IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO WAS COME TOGETHER AND DISCUSS ALL THE FACTS, AND SO WE DID THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY PRIOR TO THIS MEETING. IT WAS NOT PURPOSEFUL ON THE DELAY OR MEETING TWT. WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THIS MEETING IF WE WEREN'T ABLE TO MEET WITH THEM BECAUSE WE COMMITTED TO THAT AND PROMISED THAT AND WE DID THAT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER. BUT I AM CONCERNED THAT ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAID AFTER A DELAY OF I BELIEVE 11 DAYS SHE HAD TO

CALL YOU. >> BRAD WESTER: THAT'S INACCURATE. THE SAME LADY THAT CAME UP HERE WHILE SOMEONE ELSE WAS SPEAKING. SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS SHE'S VERY ASSERTIVE AND WAS WONDERING WHEN THAT MEETING WAS GOING TO BE. AND CAN IT BE AT A TIME THAT'S CONDUCIVE FOR EVERYBODY. THAT'S NO LOGICAL.

EVERYBODY'S GOT BUSY SCHEDULES, FAMILY, WORK, THE TIME FRAMES, WE TRIED OUR HARDEST TO GET A DATED AND I THINK THE COLLEGE WILL BACK THAT UP WITH AN EMAIL CHAIN BUT WE TRIED OUR HARDEST TO PIN DOWN A DATE THAT WAS CONDUCIVE FOR EVERYBODY 1K3EU ACTUALLY SHOWS I KHOST A TIME FRAME THAT WAS BETTER FOR -- IT WAS 4:00 MEANING WE HAVE RESIDENTS HERE AT A 1:30 FOR THIS MEETING MEETING. WHY YOU THE.

AT A CYTIC WHEN IT'S DINNERTIME WITH OUR FAMILIES.

WHY NOT 4:00? AND THE CAMPUS ACCOMMODATED THAT. THERE WERE OTHER STATISTICS THAT COULDN'T GET US TO THAT DATE AND ARE FOR WHATEVER REASON I APOLOGIZE I DID NOTE HAVE IT SOONER.

BUT THERE WAS NO ILL WILL. SHE WAS NOT THE GENESIS OR THE CATALYST THAT SPURNED THE DATE WE HAD FOR THAT MEETING.

SHE WAS JUST ARROGANCE ABOUT WHEN WE WERE GOING TO MEET AND IT SO HAPPENS SHE USES SHE WAS THE ONE THAT THE ME GO WAS HET UP SET UP, AND THAT'S INACCURATE AND THAT'S ON THE RECORD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MA'AM, MA'AM. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'D LIKE TOM CLARIFICATION ON THIS 60-FOOT MATTER BECAUSE WHEN I READ OVER THE ITEM, THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS, IT WAS IDENTICAL TO THE ITEM THAT WE REVIEWED FOR THE MAY PHILANTHROPY 15T.

I'M JUST WONDERING WHY NOTHING WAS CHANGED IN THERE ABOUT THAT 60-FOOT HEIGHT, AND I APPRECIATE CHRISTINE BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP.

YOU SAID YOU HAD SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE.

THAT'S NEVER BEEN PRESENTED TO US.

YOU HAVEN'T PRESENTED IT YET TODAY.

I GUESS YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT IT NOW.

BUT ONE OF THE APPLICANTS OR ONE OF THE SPEAKERS STATED, SO I WANT CLARIFICATION ON THIS, THAT THE WHIEGHT OF THE BUILDINGS WAS GOING TO BE 45 FEET WITH AN TOOLINGS ADDITIONAL 15 FOR A ROOF. IS THAT NOT CORRECT?

>> BRAD WESTER: THAT IS NOT CORRECT.

WE HAVE THREE FLOORS AND ROOF. WE HAVE 45-FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT.

THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AT MISSION TRACE IS 40 FEET FOR THE COMMERCIAL. THE MOOKD HIELGTD OF ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE IS 45 FOR THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL.

THE 60 FEET WAS AN ERROR, 100 PERCENT ON ME.

I'LL TAKE THAT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU HAD STATED THAT WELL SO I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT BRENCHTS 60 ME THE WAS ON ME BUT WE ALSO DID RESUBMIT OUR PLAN SEVERAL WEEKS AGO BUT IT WAS AFTER THE COUNTY HAD THEIR DEADLINE TO PREPARE THEIR STAFF REPORTS BUT DID I UPLOAD THE CHANGES TO THE ZONING PORTAL LIKE I DO BUT I ALSO HAD THE HEARING, AND I WILL SUBMIT THIS ON THE RECORD WITH THE DATE OF THE WITH THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND IT DESCRIBES 45 FEET AND THE MAP DESCRIBES 45 FEET HEIGHT MAX AND THROUGH THE EXHIBITS IT'S A THREE-STORY PRODUCT WITH A FEEN FOOT ROOF OR ARCHITECTURAL RELIEF. WE DON'T WANT A FLAT ROOF OR A CERTAIN PITCH. WE CAN'T CERTAIN FIN STRAITIONZ TO MAKE IT LOOK APPEALING. I'LL TAKE IT ON THE 60 FEET.

THAT'S MY PROOFING ERROR, THE 6E CHANGED TO IT 45.

AND THAT'S WHAT WAS MEANT THE ENTIRE TIME.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU SUBMITTED YOUR CHASING TO THE COUNTY BUT THE AGENDA DIDN'T EVEN COME OUT FOR US UNTIL I BELIEVE IT WAS 7:41 A.M. ON MONDAY, THIS PAST MONDAY MORNING. I DIDN'T EVEN GET TO SEE THE

AGENDA UNTIL MONDAY MORNING. >> BRAD WESTER: AGAIN, THE STAFF CAN SPEAK TO THEIR OWN DEADLINES FOR, THEY'RE OVERLOADED WITH WORK AND THEY HAVE A CERTAIN DATE TO PUBLISH EVERYTHING TO GET IN AND PREPARE A 14 ITEM AGENDA TODAY. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO REVIEW THE SUBMITTAL I UPLOAD FOR THE CHANGES, AND SO I DID MAKE THAT UPLOAD. IT'S IN THERE.

BUT I ALSO HAVE HAD PROVIDED HERE.

I THINK IT WAS JUST A TIMING THING, AND THAT'S WHY YOUR STAFF

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REPORT SHOWS MAYBE THE OLD TEXT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I FATHER-IN-LAW DON'T LIKE T LIKE ARE REVIEW THING ON THE FLY. I LIKE TO READ THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE I COME IN HERE. FOR TO US REVIEW AND CONSIDER THIS NOW TO ME IS LATE, IT'S TOO LATE BRENCHTS I THINK WE DESCRIBED IT WAS NOT 60 FREET AT THE PREVIOUS HEARING.

WE LITERALLY STATED ON THE RECORD IT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE 6.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I BROUGHT IT UP AT THE MEETING ON MAY 14TH BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED IF WE APPROVED THAT, WE WOULD APPROVE THAT WITH THAT IN IT.

THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SAID THEY WOULD NOT.

BUT I WAS CONCERNED YOU'D GET THAT APPROVAL, YOU COULD SELL THE PROPERTY TO SOMEONE ELSE WITH SUCH AN APPROVAL, AND THAT DID CONCERN ME BRENCHTS 60 FEET FOR 280 UNITS IS A REALLY

STRANGE LOOKING PRODUCT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THE ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE THAT'S A PHOTO YOU TOOK-E.

>> BRAD WESTER: THAT'S THE THREE STORY CONDOS HINCHTS WHAT WAS YOUR VANTAGE POINT? BROONCHTS GOOGLE.

ONLINE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: FROM I

STATE ROAD 16? >> BRAD WESTER: NO FROM THE ROAD. THERE ARE TONS OF PHOTOS FROM PEOPLE SITTING ON THEIR BALCONIES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: A WOULDN'T TO KNOW WHAT WAS THE VANTAGE POINT BRENCHTS THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ACROSS FROM THE STORM WATER POND. YOU CAN GOOGLE THE CONDO AND IT

SHOWS IT ON THERE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU MADE THAT CLEAR. WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE VIEW FROM SPHROOD 16 OF YOUR PROPOSED COMPLEX.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE ON STATE ROAD 16 WITHOUT A 50-FOOT SETBACK, WITH ONLY A 20-FOOT SETBACK THAT I THINK IS

TOO SHALLOW-E. >> BRAD WESTER: THIS IS A NEW URBANIST APPROACH WITH BRINGING THE BUILDING MORE TO THE FRONT

AND THE STREET. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU MENTIONED AND YOU SHOWED A MAP OR PHOTOGRAPH.

IT WAS AN AERIAL PHOTO WITH THE POSSIBLY LEFT TURN LANE AND THEN A RIGHT TURN LANE THAT COULD BE PUT ON KENTON MORRISON.

DO YOU HAVE A COST ESTIMATE? >> BRAD WESTER: I DID NOT.

THE RESTRIPING IS PRETTY NOMINAL.

DO A SMALL MILLING AND RESTRIPE THAT FOR TURN LANES.

THE OTHER ONE IS A LITTLE MORE EXTENSIVE.

AND THAT WILL BE EVALUATED ON HOW DEEP AND HOW LONG THAT TURN LANE INTO THE PROPERTY IS. BUT THE MDP CLEARLY SHOWS A STACKING AND QUEUING AREA FOR THAT TBAITD ENTRANCE.

IT'S NOT -- GATED ENTRANCE. MITES NOT JUST A SINGLE LANE POLE P. OOH AT A CUL-DE-SAC THAT YOU CAN PULL IN AND TURN AROUND. THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS OFF STATE ROAD 16. THAT'S THE CURB APPEAL.

THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE HOLE DEVELOPMENT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT STRANS OFF STATE ROAD 16 ALSO GOING TO

BE GATED? >> BRAD WESTER: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ONE IS GOING TO BE GATED.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO WHY WOULD YOU GATE THE SOUTH

WESTERN? >> BRAD WESTER: TO PREVENT FUT

CUT-THROUGH TRAFFIC. >> DR. HILSENBECK: ALL RIGHTY.

I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU.

SEE IF ANYONE ELSE. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PIERRE

>> MR. PIERRE: I HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TAKE.

WHAT WAS YOUR TAKEAWAY ON THE MEETING BETWEEN THE COLLEGES AND

THE RESIDENTS? >> BRAD WESTER: SO OUR TAKEAWAY WAS I THINK OVERWHELMING THAT THE CONCERN WAS MAYBE IT SHOULD STAY COMMERCIAL, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE A DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPE, WE HEARD MAYBE GO BACK TO SINGLE FAMILY, WHY COULDN'T IT BE SINGLE FAMILY, MAYBE MORE TOWNHOMES.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A CERTAIN RA FORE THAT'S BUILT AGAINST APARTMENT COMMUNITIES, AND FOR-RENT APARTMENT COMMUNITIES. IT'S UNFAIR.

AND CLEARLY THE IMAGE SHOWN OF LANDINGS WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER HERE, IT'S JUST UNFAIR TO PAINT A PICTURE DOOM AND GLOOM AND DECREASED PROPERTY STRIEWLS FOR A MULTI-FAMILY COMMUNITY THAT'S INVESTING $69 MILLION ON THIS PROPERTY.

WE HEARD IT BEFORE WE ARE PEOPLE SAID WE DON'T WANT THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE LIVING MOVING INTO OUR NOOSHT.

TEN YEARS FROM NOW WE HOPE TO SAY THE SAME THING, THAT WE'VE LIVED HERE FOR TEN YEARS. BUT TO BE CALLED THE BOTTOM RUNG OF SOCIETY IS A BIT HURTFUL. APARTMENTS, I THINK THE OVERALL DENSITY WAS THE CONCERN. AGAIN, WE'RE NO DOING A NEAR ELK MAXIMUM. IF WE WERE TO TAKE ALL THE WETLAND OUT OF THE PROPERTY AND DO ALL USABLE LAND WE'RE GOING TO DO 249 UNITS. WE INITIALLY EXPLORED THAT BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. WE'RE AT 238.

THE SENTIMENTS, THE SENTIMENTS ARE BASICALLY WE DON'T DON'T

WANT APARTMENTS THERE. >> MR. PIERRE: WHAT CHANGES DID YOU PLAN AS A RESULT OF THESE MEETINGS?

>> BRAD WESTER: THERE WERE -- NO, WHAT WE DID WAS WE PROVIDED ELEVATION RENDERINGS OF WHAT THE APARTMENTS WOULD LIKE, THE CONCEPTS, AND THEN WE DESCRIBED THE FACTS OF THE PROPERTY

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THE PROP SHARE IS FOR THE DEFICIENT LINKS SOUTH OF ENGTS, NOT KENTON MORRISON BUT THE DEVELOPER BOARD COST FOR STATE ROAD 16 FOR DECEL AND -- THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE PROP EL SHARE COST. WHAT WE DID WAS DESCRIBE A THE LO FACTS AND DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THIS AND THEN PROVIDE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS WHICH WAS REALLY NEEDED AND THE COLORED SITE PLAN WHICH REALLY HELPED SHOW THE PROPERTY.

>> MR. PIERRE: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PETER.

>> MS. PERKINS: THANK >> MS. PERKINS: I JUST .

>> MR. PETER: I THINK MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE WOULD IT FOR IT TO REMAIN COMMERCIAL BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, AND I DO THINK THIS PROPERTY IS A GOOD PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT LIKE WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT.

WHAT I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH WITH THIS IS THAT THESE TWO VARIANCES, THESE TWO WAIVERS ARE BASICALLY SELF-IMPOSED HARDSHIPS. WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY.

WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COLLEGE. MOST EVERYONE THINKS IT'S TOO DENSE AND SO INTO ITS NOT REALLY A QUESTION AS MUCH AS A COMMENT.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S NOT ABOUT AN AN ALTERNATE PLAN SUBMITTED TO GET US KIND OF TO THE SAME PLACE AND NOT SO CONTENTIOUS. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TEN UNITS, 11 UNITS TO ME IS AS A LAYMAN IS SORT OF IMMATERIAL.

THE PROJECT SEEMS TOO DENSE AT THIS POINT.

THAT SAID, IT'S A GOOD PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR AN APARTMENT TYPE OF COMPLEX. I GET IT.

IT JUST FEELS TOO DENSE. AND AGAIN, THE WAIVERS, AGAIN ARE SELF-IMPOSED. IF YOU HAD DESIGNED IT DIFFERENTLY, YOU WOULDN'T NEED THE DIFFERENT SETBACKS AND THE REDUCTION IN THE ACTIVE RECREATION SPACE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THIS IS ALSO MORE OF A COMMENT, BRAD, THAN A QUESTION BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND SAY IT NOW.

YOU MENTIONED AND YOU PUT UP A GRAPHIC SHOWING THAT THE MISSION HILLS DEVELOPMENT, WHEN IT WAS PROPOSED, ASKED FOR A 22-FOOT SETBACK, NOT A 50-FOOT SETBACK, BUT THAT WAS ALONG KENTON MORRISON, NOT ALONG STATE ROAD 16, SO THAT TO ME IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE. I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD SAY KENTON MORRISON ROAD IS THE GAID WAY REALLY INTO ST. AUGUSTINE SUCH AS THEY MIGHT ANALOGIZE, AS YOU DO ON THIS SLIDE THAT'S UP THERE RIGHT NOW, THAT THIS IS A GATEWAY INTO THE CITY.

SO I REALLY THINK YOU NEED TO DESIGN THIS WITH A 50-FOOT SETBACK AND THE FULL SIZE PARK IN THERE.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO WALK OR WALK MY BIKE OR RIDE MY BIKE ACROSS STATE ROAD 16 TO GET OVER TO TWELVE MILE SWAMP TRAILHEAD.

I WOULDN'T DO IT. IT'S TOO DANGEROUS A ROAD.

PEOPLE SPEED. THEY GO 70 MILES AN HOUR ON THAT ROAD. SO I THINK YOU NEED FULL SIZE

PARK THERE. >> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY ELSE -- I'M SORRY. WERE YOU DONE, DR. HILSENBECK?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S FINE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE IN THE QUEUE AT THIS POINT SO WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR ACTION.

BUT MR. WESTER, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.

DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU CAN SHOW US AS TO WHAT'S BEEN -- WANT SUS MITTED WEEKS AGO THAT WE DON'T HAVE?

>> BRAD WESTER: YES. I WILL PUT THIS ON THE BOARD HERE.

THE CHANGES, ONE OF THE CHANGES WAS THE ENVIRONMENTAL.

WE HAD MULTIPLE REPORTS. WE HAD A ECOLOGICAL REPORT THAT DESCRIBED THE HABITAT OUT THERE. THEN WE HAD A WETLANDS REPORT.

AND ONE OF THE CHANGES WAS TO REAFFIRM THE DATES ON EACH OF THE REPORTS. THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT

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IT'S BEEN CHANGED FROM 60 FEET TO 45 FEET.

THE. >> MR. MATOVINA: AND WHAT ABOUT THIS QUESTION OF THESE FENCES?

>> BRAD WESTER: THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO GOING INTO BCC WITH THE CHANGE.

WE CAN DO THAT. TYPICALLY IF WE ADD SOMETHING HERE, WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE TEXT, AND THAT WOULD BE CONDITIONED ON THE NEXT STEP FOR A RESUBMITTAL TO THE STAFF THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE THAT 6-FOOT SCREENING FENCE AS DESCRIBED ON

THE RECORD. >> MR. MATOVINA: AND THAT'S ON THE SOUTHERN AND THE THE WESTERN BOUNDARY?

>> BRAD WESTER: YEAH, THAT WOULD BE ON THE SOUTHERN AND THE

EASTERN BOUNDARY, CORRECT, SIR. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO ANY 6-FOOT OPAQUE FENCE. IT'S A 6-FOOT OPAQUE FENCE ON

THE BOUNDARY. >> BRAD WESTER: ON THE

BOUNDARY LINE. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY NOW FOR A MOTION.

WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS LET'S GET A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE AND I SUSPECT THERE WILL BE SOME DISCUSSION HERE.

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: I'M GOING TO PUT A MOTION OUT THERE, AND MY MOTION WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PUD 2022-04 MADISON ST. AUGUSTINE PUD BASED ON TEN FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE HAVE A MOWING FOR DENIAL BY MS. PERKINS. IS THERE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. PETER. NOW LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR

DISCUSSION. >> MS. PERKINS: BRAD, I DON'T LIKE THE START OFF THE MOTION WITH A MOTION OF DENIAL, BUT I HAVE HEARD EVERYBODY'S CONCERN AND I AGREE WITH SOME OF THEM.

DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SECONDARY ACCESS ONTO KENTON MORRISON AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WAIVERS.

MY ISSUE AND MY CONCERN IS THE DENSITY.

JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN DO UP TO 250, AND I KNOW YOU'RE ONLY DOING 238 OR 249 MACK, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU SHOULA DEVELOPER, I LIKE TO MAXIMIZE SITES JUST LIKE YOU, BUT IN THIS AREA I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S SURROUNDING.

MULTI-FAMILY FITS HERE. I THINK IT'S A GREAT SITE.

BUT JUST NOT 239 UNITS. SO I'M SORRY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY?

MR. MILLER. >> MR. MILLER: JUST TO CLARIFY SINCE THIS IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL.

A YES IS TO VOTE TO DENY. >> MR. MATOVINA: CORRECT.

>> MR. MILLER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: I HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY. THIS IS -- I'M JUST PERPLEXED BY THIS. WE REALLY NEED MORE HOUSING AND MORE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING IN THIS COUNTY.

I AM TOTALLY PERPLEXED BY THE COLLEGE NOT THAN THE WAN.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT AT ALL. I PLAN TO VOTE NO FOR THIS MOTION. I THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE USAGE WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I THINK

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ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE VOTE.

SO BY 6-1, 5-1 VOTE THE MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND DENIAL TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2, AND THE PRESENT SER MR. SMITH. IS THERE ANYONE WHO LAST ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION FOR ITEM NUMBER 2? SCROINCHTS MY NAME IS KRISTOPHER SMITH I LIVE AT 58 THREF THIRD STREET ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. I'M REPRESENTING ISLAND PREP FOR ADDING NEW CLASSROOM ADDITION. WE'RE TRYING TO ADD A NEW CLASSROOM ADDITION. WE DON'T WANT TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF STUDENTS JUST AFTER THE PANDEMIC.

WE'RE LOOKING INTO RESPECTING THE PARENTS WHO GO TO THE PRIVATE SCHOOL AND WANT TO MAKE THE CLASSES A LITTLE BIT LARGER BID AING A COUPLE MORE CLASSROOMS. WE'LL BE KEEPING OUR STUDENT CAPACITY THE SAME.

WE OFFER LIKE SPECIALTY SPEECH CLASSES AND, YOU KNOW, MATH TUTORING AND ENGLISH TUTORING, AND IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THE EXTRA CLASSROOMS SO THAT WE CAN BALANCE OUT THE STUDENTS IN KEEPING THE CLASSROOM SIZES SMALL.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE BACKGROUND FOR AN ISLAND PREP.

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I'M ALL ABOUT THE PRIVATE SCHOOL.

MY WIFE IS A TEACHER IN PUBLIC SCHOOL AND SHE JUST APPRECIATE TS SMALLER SETTING FOR OUR KIDS. MY SON IS EXCELLING IN READING 1K3 MATH LIKE I NEVER DID IN SCHOOL JUST BECAUSE THEY FOCUS OH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHAT THE KIDS' INTERESTS ARE.

THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP. IT JUST SHOWS THE PROPERTY.

IT'S 4,035 A1S. THE BUILDING THAT YOU SEE IN THIS PROPERTY -- A1A. THE BUILDING THAT YOU SEE IN THIS PROPERTY, IT'S THE ONLY BILLING ON THE PROPERTY, AND THAT HAS BEEN MODIFIED OVER THE LAST YEAR INTO FOUR STANDARD CLASSROOMS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOCATION MAP HERE, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THERE AS WELL.

WE HAVE THE ZONING MAP WHICH RIGHT NOW IT'S A GC.

OR CG, I'M SORRY. THEN HERE IS A SITE PLAN.

THIS SHOWS IS FLOW OF THE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.

IT ALSO SHOWS THE -- I'M TRYING TO -- I WENT THE WRONG WAY.

SO THIS SHOWS THE ADDITION NEXT TO THE BUILDING THAT WE WANT TO BUILD. IT DOESN'T CREATE ANY MORE CHANGES TO THE WALKWAYS THAT ARE THERE.

YOU SEE THE WALKWAY GOING INTO THE BUILDING OUT OF THE PARKING LOT. YOU CAN ACCESS THE WALKWAYS FROM BEHIND THE BUILDING, GOING TO THE MAIN BUILDINGS TO THE RIGHT, WHICH IS THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHICH IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. IT'S A STRAT PROPERTY.

IT'S A VERY UNIQUE AREA. A SEPARATE PROPERTY.

WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE AGENCIES WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH YOU ALSO SEE THAT WE HAVE A GATE FROM WHERE THE NEW BUILDING IS PROPOSED THAT WILL BE OPEN INTO THE PARKING LOT WHERE STUDENTS CAN ACCESS THE NEW BUILDING AS WELL AS THE TEE TO GO TO OTHER BUILDING. YOU CAN SEE THE FLOW COMES OFF A1A. WE HAVE A PARKING OR A DRIVING LOOP THAT TAKES YOU AROUND AND BACK OUT ONTO A1A.

THE OTHER PROPERTY HAS ITS OWN PARKING LOT AND ALSO HAS ITS OWN FLOW. WE HAVE NEVER HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT PARKING OR ANY FLOW INTO A1A.

WE'RE ABOUT TEN MINUTES IN MORNING TO 15 MINUTES OF FLOW WITH THE TRAFFIC AND THE SAME IN THE AFTERNOON.

WE FEEL LIKE SINCE WE'RE NOT ADDING ANYMORE CAPACITY OR ANYTHING, THAT IT SHOULDN'T AFFECT ANY OF THE TRAFFIC AS WELL. THIS IS THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING OF THE BUILDING THAT WE WANT TO BUILD.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SIMPLE CLASSROOM BUILDING ADDING CHARACTER TO THE PROPERTY. IT'S GOT A REALLY NICE PLAYGROUND TO THE NORTH SIDE OF IT OR IT'S A PLAY AREA, A PICNIC AREA. WE DON'T PLANT TO MESSING WITH ANY OF THAT. IT HA AS A PLAYGROUND AREA IN THE BACK. IT'S THIS INITIAL AREA IS ALREADY CLEARED. IT HAS A SMALL GARDEN AREA AND WE WANT TO USE IT TO EXPAND FOR MORE CLASSROOMS. THIS IS ME. I'M PRETTY NEW CONSTRUCTION.

I'VE GROWN UP IN ST. AUGUSTINE AND RECENTLY UPGRADED TO MY COMMERCIAL BIFERLDZ BUILDERS LICENSE AND I'M ENJOYING TO GET TO KNOW ABOUT IT SO IF I SEEM NERVOUS IT'S SOMETHING NEW TO ME BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO GET ME OUT OF THE LABOR POOL.

THAT'S SOMETHING TO PRESENT TO YOU GUYS TODAY.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GIVING ME A CHANCE TO PRESENT IT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER

THEM. >> MR. MATOVINA:

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, THAT AERIAL PHOTO THAT YOU SHOWED TOWARD THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION, IT CUT OFF THE WALGREENS WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF YOUR SCHOOL, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL RESIDENTS CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC. I'VE BEEN IN AND OUT OF THAT WALGREENS MYSELF. AND PEOPLE COMING OUT OF OCEAN TRACE AND THEN COMING OUT OF WALGREENS AND COMING OUT OF ISLAND PREP TO TURN ONTO A1A, THERE IS A BOTTLENECK OF TRAFFIC THERE, SO YOUR NEW PROPOSED ADDITION IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE

SOUTH OF THAT, CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: IT'S THE BROUGHT JUST SOUTH OF IT, YES, SIR. THOSE PARKING LOTS, I CAN GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THIS SITE PLAN. SO YOU SEE THE, I GUESS IT'S A LITTLE MEDIAN BUFFER IN BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES, THE NORTH BUILDING IS THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AND THEN THE ANNEXED BILLING WE CALL IT TO THE SOUTH, THAT PARKING LOT IS CONED OFF DURING DROP DRONOFF TIME SO YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY GO THROUGH TO THE OTHER PARKING LOT, AND THE STUDENTS THAT ARE IN THE ORIGINAL LIKE THE LARGER BUILDING, THEY TEND TO DROP OFF AND PARK RIGHT THERE AND THEN GO BACK OUT EITHER -- THERE'S TWO ACCESSES TO THAT BUILDING. THERE'S ONE THAT SPILLS OUT ONTO A1A AND AS WELL AS OCEAN TRACE ROAD SO YOU KIND OF HAVE THE FLOW TO GO IN AND BACK OUT ANOTHER WAY.

YES, SIR. EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, I CAN LIKE I SAY, THAT'S WHERE I DROP OFF MY KID.

HE IS A FIRST-GRADER AND KINDERGARTNER AND I DRIVE A BIG FRUK AND IT -- IN A BIG TRUCK IT TEND TO GET TIGHT JUST IN ONE AREA, BUT THERE'S PARKING IN THE BACK THAT NOBODY EVER EVEN USES

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WE SEND OUT LIKE NOTICES OR CAN YOU PLEASE STEAG YOUR ARRIVAL TIME A LITTLE BIT, AND THE PARENTS ALWAYS ACCOMMODATE AND FOLLOW AS WELL. SO IF THERE'S EVER ANY COMPLAINTS, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO

HELP. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU SAID THE AREA WAS CORDONED OFF FOR DROP-OFF.

HOW ABOUT PICKUP? >> SPEAKER: IT'S THE SAME AT PICKUP. THERE ARE CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY THEY AREY WHEN SET UP THE CONES AND THE TEACHERS COME OUT AND LIRLTD -- THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PARK THE CARS.

THEY OPEN THE DOOR AND THE STUDENT IS EVER GETS OUT AND IS

GUIDED INTO THE PATHWAYS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU STATED THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO INCREASE THE ATTENDANCE OF THE SCHOOL, THE CAPACITY OF THE SCHOOL, THE STUDENT NUMBER WAS GOING TO STAY THE SAME. THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU EXTRA SPACE. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> SPEAKER: THAT IS VERY CORRECT.

THEY'RE HAPPY WITH THE CAPACITY. IT'S ABOUT 15 CHILDREN PER CLASS, AND IT WORK WELL FOR THEM.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PIERRE.

>> MR. PIERRE: SO THE CURRENT CLASS SIZE IS 15?

IS THAT TWHAWR SAYING? >> SPEAKER: ROUGHLY BETWEEN 12 AND 16. 12 AND 18 DEPENDING ON PEOPLE COME AND GO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THEIR IDEAL IS TO KEEP IT AT 15 AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED FOR I BELIEVE 190 IS THE CAP FOR THE SCHOOL, FOR THE CAPACITY FOR STUDENTS.

SO YOU HAVE KINDERGARTEN, FIRST, SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH AND FIFTH

GRADE. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, OTHER QUESTIONS? SHE GO NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE JUNE SPEAKER STARRED CARD, STEVE

COMMANDO. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS STEVE COMMANDO.

MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 310 SOUTH OCEAN TRACE ROAD WHICH IS THAT COMMUNITY BEHIND THE SCHOOL. KRISTOPHER RESPOND TODAY WUNT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT WHRIRT WAS GOING TO YIP PACT THE -- WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO IMPACT THE ENROLLMENT AND SO ON, SO THAT WAS A APPRECIATED INFORMATION.

I GUESS THE QUESTION WE WEREN'T SURE WHERE THIS NEW BUILDING WA WAGS GOING UP ON THE PROPERTY. ISLAND SCHOOL IS RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF OCEAN TRACE AND A1A, AND THERE'S ALSO AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING A LITTLE BIT SOUTH OF IT WHICH I BELIEVE IS ALSO A PART OF THE SCHOOL OWNERSHIP, SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS NEW BUILDING WAS GOING UP. A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO A BUILDING WAS BUILT RIGHT OPPOSITE WHERE THE WALGREENS WAS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT AGAINST -- WE'VE GOT FOUR KIDS OURSELVES AND GRANDCHILDREN AS WELL, SO WE WERE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY AND WHAT THE USE OF THE BUILDING WAS GOING TO BE, WHICH WAS EXPLAINED TO BE CLASSROOMS. SO -- AND HOURS USAGE BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THAN THE WOO BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE NORMAL HOURS OF THE SCHOOL WOULD BE.

SO THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD, SO MAYBE KRISTOPHER CAN

ANSWER THOSE AND SO ON. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

DO YOU HAVE ANY REBUTTAL THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE,

MR. SMITH? >> KRISTOPHER SMITH: I FEEL LIKE HE KIND OF ANSWERED HIS QUESTIONS THERE.

I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE COMMENTS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THIS GENTLEMAN, WAS ABOUT THE RETENTION POND AND I JUST WANT TO REASSURE THAT WE AREN'T DOING ANYTHING WITH THE RETENTION POND. WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING TO THE PROPERTY. IF YOU'D LIKE A BETTER VIEW OF WHERE THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE, I CAN SUBMIT THIS AND I CAN COMMENT. SO RIGHT HERE ISWHERE THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDING IS. THIS IS ALL EXISTING, THE SCHOOL, THIS WALKWAY PATH IS ALL EXISTING TO THE NEW SCHOOL.

THIS PLOT IS ACTUALLY IN THE CITY OF STWAWGHT BEACH SO ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH SO IT'S TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES AS FAR AS DECIDING WHAT HAPPENS ON EACH PROPERTY.

SO, YES, WE ONLY ARE GOING TO BE DOING TWO CLASSROOMS TO ACCOMMODATE DATE WHAT WE'RE NEGLECTING RIGHT NOW.

AND IT'S NO GOING TO AFFECT ANYTHING THAT ISN'T ALREADY

HAPPENING AT THE SCHOOL. >> SPEAKER: I'M SORRY.

WHERE IS THE WALGREENS SITUATED? >> KRISTOPHER SMITH: SO WALGREENS WOULD BE OVER HERE. THIS WOULD BE OCEAN TRACE ROAD AND WALGREENS IS OVER HERE, SO THE ENTRANCE IS BEHIND THE SCHOOL YOU KIND OF COME UP HERE AND THIS IS THE PARKING LOT AS WELL. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T -- I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT PARKING LOT AS WELL JUST BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN WAS

FOR THE OTHER PROPERTY. >> THE PROPERTY LINE THAT YOU

HAVE? >> KRISTOPHER SMITH: THIS HERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE FOR COUNTY. YES, SIR.

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>> THE SCHOOL PROPERTY LINE? >> KRISTOPHER SMITH: IT SHOW THE BACK PROPERTY LINE ON THIS SITE PLAN.

THIS BASICALLY, THE LINE GOES UP AND IT COMES BACK AND THEN OCEAN TRACE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALL -- YOU COULD PROBABLY SAY THAT'S PRETTY

ACCURATE. >> SO THAT BASICALLY BACKS UP

AGAINST THE PROPERTY. >> KRISTOPHER SMITH: YES, SIR.

THE OCEAN PHRASE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE, SAY THIS IS THE BACKGROUND, THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND.

IT WOULD BE BEHIND. >> MR. MATOVINA: CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION. MR. SMITH, MR. SMITH, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION. Y'ALL CAN GET TOGETHER AFTER THE MEETING AND YOU CAN SHOW HIM, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SMITH?

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MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: NOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT M: 2022-03 ISLAND PREP CLASSROOM BASED PHONE UPON EIGHT FINDINGS FACT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY SUGGESTION DISCUSSION? SHE GO MON. THAT MOTION PASSES 7-0.

6-0. I CAN'T COUNT TODAY.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3 AND MR. NEWTON.

CIENCHTS

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS KYLE NEWTON 421 NIGHTHAWK LANE.

I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE RESIDENTS FOR 2519 SHOWTH POINT VED BOULEVARD. SEEKING A VARIANCE FOR A 6-FOOT WALL INSTEAD OF A 4-FOOT WALL DMURNLT BUFFER.

IT'S TO BUFFER FROM A NOISE ROADWAY TRYING TO DO TO SAFETY FEATURE FOR THE FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY.

AND THIS PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT BY THE GRO SHELLS.

THESE HOMES WERE ALREADY CONSTRUCTED.

SO IT WAS NOT THEIR CHOICE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE HOUSES BACK TO ACCOMMODATED THIS. ON THE SITE PLAN HERE, THE RED LINES ARE INDICATING WHERE THESE WALLS WOULD CONSTRUCTED.

GOT AN COOLER VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

-- GOT AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

ANOTHER AERIAL VIEW. THE FUTURE LAND USE, IT IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BASICALLY SURROUND BY THE GUANA PRESERVE THERE PARKS AND REC. WE HAVE A SOUTHEAST STREET VIEW FROM THE PRONT OF THE PLOT. AS YOU CAN SEE PRETTY MUCH THAT DIRT AREA THERE, WE WOULD BE LINING UP WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH CONTINUING THAT WALL TO THE EDGE OF THE PAVERS. WE'LL HAVE A BREAKTY PAVERS AND THEN RIGHT HERE MEETING UP WITH THE OTHER NEIGHBORING WALL.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 16 FEET OFF THE PAVED AREA.

THERE'S A WALL DETAIL HERE FOR A 6-FOOT MAX FOR THIS PROJECT.

THAT'S IT. >> SPEAKER:

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DECLARE ON THIS ITEM? YES, MR. PETER.

>> MR. PETER: I DROVE BY, TOOK A LOOK.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: ARE THERE ANY OTHER 6 INTO THE FENCES R VICINITY?

>> SPEAKER: THERE ARE A FEW ALONG THE ROD WAY THERE.

WHETHER THEY WERE PERMITTED I HAVE NO IDEA OF THAT.

>> MS. PERKINS: DOES STAFF HAPPEN TO KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY VARIANCES IN NEARBY AREA FOR A ?

>> TERESA BISHOP: NO, MA'AM. I'M BEING TOLD THERE WERE NOT

ANY THAT WE FOUND ANY VARIANCES. >> MS. PERKINS: THE REASON I ASK, I DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD ALL THE TIME AND I NEVER NOTICED A .

THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE ISN'T ANY, BUT IT'S OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THAT ROAD, SO THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUEFLTS APPLICANT?

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> MS. PERKINS: WE DO NOT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MR. PETER. >> MR. PETER: MOTION TO DENY ZONING VARIANCE 2022-06 GRO SHELL DESCREN FENCE BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO A MOTION TO DENY BY MR. PETER.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? >> DR. HILSENBECK: COULD YOU GO BACK AND SHOW A PHOTO YOU? SHOWED THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS LOOKING SOUTHEAST. AND IT SHOWED ANOTHER HOUSE.

THAT ONE. THAT FENCE STEPS UP THERE, THE

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IT DOES STEP UP TOWARD THE BACK. I WONDER HOW TALL THAT IS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? >> SPEAKER: I DO NOT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY BE 4 FEET IN THE

FRONT AND HIGHER IN THE BACK. >> SPEAKER: TYPICALLY THOSE PROPERTIES DO INCREASE IN HEIGHT BECAUSE THEY GO BACK A LITTLE WAYS. I'M SURE IT'S FOLLOWING THE GRADE. AND TO MS. PERKINS, THE ONE THAT STOOD OUT TO ME WAS A STONE GATE WALL THAT IS ABOUT THREE HOUSES NORTH OF THAT. THAT IS WHY THE WOOD GATE THAT

HAS A 6-FOOT HEIGHT. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL WHICH MEANS THAT A YES VOTE IS FOR DENIAL. LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

SO WE GOT THREE VOTES FOR AND THREE VOTES AGAINST.

I CAN COUNT THIS TIME. SO WE NEED ANOTHER MOTION.

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2022-06 GROSPELL RESIDENCE FENCE BASED ON SEVEN CONDITIONS AND FIVE FINDINGS FACT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. MILLER.

ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.

HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: PRETTY PREDICTABLE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO MOTION AT THIS POINT SO I ASSUME WE SENT SHE'LL HAVE A DENIAL AT THIS POINT?

>> IT'S A DENIAL UNLESS YOU HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THERE ANY OTHER MOTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, THAT MOTION IS DENIED, SIR. OKAY.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4, CHRIS AND JAIME PONTARELLI.

IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE ON ITEM

NUMBER 4? >> MR. PETER: I EVERY DROVE

OVER TO ROSCOE AND TOOK A LOOK. >> MR. MILLER: I SPOKE TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT A MONTH AGO. WE SPOKE WITH ABOUT THE WETLN PROPERTY. WE SPOKE WITH THE ACCESS AND WHO HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FROM. THEN WE SPOKE ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. SAME ITEMS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR,

MR. PONTARELLI. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR THIS CURRENT. THE CHRIS PONTARELLI.

I AM THE APPLICANT IS FOR ZONING VARIANCE 2022-07.

THE ADDRESS 334 NORTH ROSCOE BOULEVARD, LOT 47.

WE DO NOT HAVE OUR OWN ADDRESS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE OUR DRIVEWAY YET. AND I AM REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR MY PRIMARY HOME, MY SINGLE FAMILY HOME FOR THE FRONT AND SIDE YARDS THAT ARE ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY.

AS YOU'LL SEE, THIS IS AN AERIAL IMAGE OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S OUTLINED. THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE, RESIDENTIAL A STRAIGHT FROM THE COUNTY WEBSITE.

THIS IS A ZONING MAP STRAIGHT FROM THE COUNTY WEBSITE ZONED OPEN RURAL. MOTIVES FOR THE PROPERTY.

IT SAYS OUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE WILL BE, SO OPEN RURAL, NOT COMMERCIAL. ANOTHER MOTIVE FOR THE PROPERTY IS TO KEEP THE SURROUNDING NATURAL WETLAND AND MARSH BEAUTIFUL AND INTACT. IT'S ONE THING THAT WE FELL IN LOVE WITH ABOUT THE PROPERTY, IS THE SCROWNDING MARSH AND THE WETLAND. THE SURROUNDING MARSH AND THE WET DGED. I ACTUALLY LIVED AT 350 NORTH ROSCOE BOULEVARD 19 YEARS AGO FOR TWO YEARS.

AND REALLY LOVED THE AREA. WE LOVED THAT IT'S NOT A COOKIE CUTTER NEIGHBORHOOD. ALL THE HOMES ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT. AND WE LIVE ON THE GUANA PRESERVE THE PREVIOUS TWO HOMES THAT WE LIVED IN, AND WE JUST LOVED THE NATURAL HABITAT OF BEING ON THE MARSH AND THE WETLANDS. THE OTHER MOTIVE FOR OUR PROPERTY IS TO STAY COMPLETELY ON OUR UPLAND AREA AND NOT MITIGATE ANY WETLAND, TO CREATE A WARM AND WELCOMING, COMFORTABLE HOME FOR OUR FAMILY OF FIVE, WHICH IS MY WIFE AND I, MY SON IS 11, MY DAUGHTER IS SEVEN, AND MY OTHER SON WHO IS

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WE SUBMITTED A CLEARANCE SHEET APPLICATION IN AUGUST JUST A COUPLE MONTHS AFTER. AND I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CLEARANCE SHEET BECAUSE OUR APPLICATION SHOWS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT LAYOUT THAN WHAT A LOT OF FOLKS ON THE ROAD HAVE DONE. AS FAR AS I KNOW, EVERY SINGLE HOME ON THE PROPERTY OR ON THAT STREET, NORTH ROSCOE BOULEVARD, HAS THEIR DRIVEWAY FROM NORTH ROSCOE BOULEVARD TO THEIR HOUSE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MY NORTHERN NEIGHBOR, THE HEINZS, AND SO WE DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE DID NOT WANT TO MITIGATE ANY WETLAND, WHICH IS FROM THE NORTH ROSCOE BOULEVARD TO THE UPLAND PART OF OUR PROPERTY, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES WHERE THE WETLAND LIE WETLANDS LIE. SO THAT BEING SAID, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, A NICE LONG DRIVEWAY WOULD LOOK GREAT, AND THEN ALSO ACTUALLY IF WE MITIGATE IT, THAT WOULD BE BENEFIT OUR UPLAND -- OR DISCUSSES ME -- OUR WETLAND BUFFER AREA WHERE THE IMPACT OF THE BUFFER MEETS THE WETLAND AREA ON THE WEST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY, WE'RE VERY DETERMINED NOT TO MITIGATE ANY WETLANDS.

SO WHEN WE PUT OUR CLEARANCE SHEET IN, THE CLEARANCE DEPARTMENT SAID THAT WE PUT IN TO USE THE COUNTY-OWNED RIGHT-OF-WAY, WHICH IS JUST THE NORTH OF OUR PROPERTY IN BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THE HEINZS' PROPERTY, THE NORTH PROPERTY, AND WHEN WE DID THAT, WE PUT THAT CAN WE USE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, COUNTY-OWNED RIGHT-OF-WAY TO ACCESS OUR PROPERTY, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO MITIGATE WETLANDS, AND THE COUNTY CAME BACK AND SAID YOU CAN DO THAT BUT YOU HAVE TO GET THE NORTHERN NEIGHBORS' PERMISSION.

AND SO MYSELF AND MR. ODOM MET WITH THE NORTHERN NEIGHBOR TO ASK PERMISSION OF WHICH THEY ULTIMATELY DENIED THE PERMISSION, WHICH WOULD HAVE FORCED US TO MITIGATE ROUGHLY 130 FEET LONG BY WHATEVER WIDTH, 16, 18 FEET WIDE OF WETLANDS FOR A DRIVEWAY OF WHICH WE DID NOT WANT TO DO.

SO MOVING ON, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH NICOLE CROSBY, THE WATER CONSERVATION CHAIR FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

SHE IS A NEIGHBOR OF MINE AND SHE ASKED IF SHE COULD ACTUALLY SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH THE NORTHERN NEIGHBORS TO TALK THIS OUT AND SEE IF SHE CAN CONVINCE THEM TO GET THEM TO LET US USE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, THE COUNTY-OWNED RIGHT-OF-WAY, WHICH I SAID, YES, PLEASE DO SO. I DO NOT WANT TO MITIGATE WETLAND. AND SO WE MET, MYSELF 1K3 ANY EXPOALT HEINZS AND THE NORTHERN NEIGHBOR MET ON NOVEMBER 29TH AND AFTER THAT MEETING THEY ULTIMATELY DENIED THE REQUEST AGAIN, WHICH WOULD HAVE FORCED US TO MITIGATE OVER 2,000 SQUARE FEET OF WETLAND FOR OUR DRIVEWAY.

SO WE CONTACTED COMMISSIONER BLOCKER WHO GOT A COUNTY ATTORNEY, DAVID NIGET, INVOLVED AND WITHIN A WEEK THEY DID NOT L TO USE THE COUNTY-OWNED RIGHT-OF-WAY TO ACCESS OUR PROPERTY. SO WE WERE VERY DETERMINED NOT TO MITIGATE ANY WETLAND AND I'M GLAD THAT THAT WORKED IN OUR FAVOR. FOR TODAY WE'RE ASKING FOR A SETBACK VARIANCE. WE HAVE SEVERAL HARDSHIPS ON THE PROPERTY, ONE OF WHICH IS WETLAND.

WE HAVE ENCROACHING WETLAND ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES OF THE PROPERTY. AND THE WETLAND LINES ARE NON-LINEAR, SO IT MAKES A VERY OBSCURE UPLAND, A VERY OBSCURE UPLAND AREA FOR OUR BUILDABLE SPACE.

THE IT LIMITS OUR BUILDABLE SP. AS YOU SEE HERE, THESE ARE THE EAST SIDE WETLAND AND THAT'S THE WETLAND LINE, AND AS YOU SEE HERE CHESS THE WEST SIDE WETLANDS AND THAT'S THE CATTYWAMPUS NON-LINEAR LINE. ALSO THE COUNTY HAS INFORMED US THAT WE HAVE THREE FRONT YARDS, WHICH IS ANOTHER HARDSHIP.

THE THREE FRONT YARDS, ONE OF WHICH IS ALONG SOLANO RIGHT HERE

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ANOTHER ONE IS ALONG NORTH ROSCOE BOULEVARD, SO THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED FRONTAGE. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS THE COUNTY-OWNED RIGHT-OF-WAY, WHICH RUNS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY. SO THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS HAVING THREE FRONT YARDS BASICALLY MAKES OUR SETBACKS LARGER DUE TO THE THREE FRONT YARD.

ONCE AGAIN, WHEN IT'S OUR BUILDABLE AREA AS WELL.

THE PROPOSED SETBACKS THAT WE ARE SEEKING, WE ARE SEEKING SETBACK VARIANCE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LOT FROM 10 FEET TO 8 FEET. AND WE ARE ALSO SEEKING A SETBACK VARIANCE ON NORTH SIDE OF THE LOT FROM 20 FEET TO 8 FEET. AND THAT IS WHERE THE THIRD FRONT YARD LIES. THIS WILL HELP US TO BUILD MORE NORTH AND SOUTH WHERE THERE ARE NO WETLANDS ON OUR PROPERTY.

THE SETBACKS ARE WHERE THE EAVES BEGIN AND NOT WHERE THE HOUSE MAKES CONTACT WITH THE GROUND. SO IT'S SIMPLY NOT A FLOOR PLAN.

THIS IS SIMPLY A SETBACK. AND THAT WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE HERE, 10 TO 8, AND THE NORTH SIDE HERE FROM 20 TO 8.

AND THEN HERE IS AN IMAGE OF OUR SITE PLAN, WHICH I'LL PUT THE WHOLE ONE UP ON THE PROJECTOR. SO THIS IS THE SOUTH SIDE HERE, 8 FEET. THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE HERE, 8 FEET. THERE'S THE WETLAND BUFFER OF AVERAGE 25 FEET, WETLAND BUFFER OF AVERAGE 25 FEET, AND THIS IS THE ACCESS TO OUR PROPERTY WHICH COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, MCCORMICK BEGIN, APPROVED.

JUST TO REITERATE IN TERMS OF CODE, NOT CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST, WE BELIEVE THERE IS A SUPPORT.

EVERYTHING IS BUILT TO CODE PER THE SITE PLAN.

IF YOU HAVE LOOKED AT THE SITE PLAN AND READ THE NOTES ON THE SITE PLAN. THE 8-FOOT SETBACKS ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH ROSSCO BOULEVARD ARE STANDARD FOR ALL THE HOMES OVER THERE. FOR ANY TYPE OF LOT AND WE HAVE THREE FRONT YARDS AND ENCROACHING WETLAND ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES, LITERAL ENFORCEMENT WOULD CAUSE A HARDSHIP. THE BUILDING FOOT PERSISTENT IS VERY LIMITED -- FOOTPRINT IS VERY LIMITED IF IT STAYS WHERE IT IS AS WELL AS IT'S A VERY OBSCURE BUILDABLE UPNL AREA.

CONTRARY TO CODE, THIS IS FORE OUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME FOR OUR FAMILY OF FIVE, AND SOANLD OPEN RURAL, NOT COMMERCIAL -- ZONED OPEN RURAL, NOT COMMERCIAL, SO THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR HOME. AND THE SITE PLAN.

SEE WHICH ONE WORKS BETTER. SO SOME OF THE GENERAL FACTS ON THE SITE PLAN, THE IMPERVIOUS RATIO AND MAXIMUM AMOUNT IS 70%.

WE ARE AT 16.6%. AND THE BUILDING COVERAGE MADDOX SATURDAY 33%. WE ARE AT 12.3.

THE FOOTPRINT ONCE AGAIN INCLUDES EAVES AND PORCHES, AND I'VE LEFT THE RATIFIED OR THE SITE PLAN FOR YOU THERE.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YEAH, HAVE A FEW. I READ SOMETHING IN ONE OF THE LETTERS, I THINK IT WAS EITHER DEP OR THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, AND LIKE I SAID I GOT THESE ITEMS LATE THIS WEEK.

WE DIDN'T GET THEM UNTIL MONDAY MORNING.

SO IT WAS A LONG AGENDA. BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT ONE OF THEM RECOMMENDED THAT YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY SOME CREDITS FROM A MITIGATION BANK IN THE AREA.

DO YOU RECALL THAT IN ONE OF THOSE LETTERS?

SOME SLIGHT IMPACT TO WETLANDS? >> SPEAKER: U. THAT MITIGATION

REPORT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: IT WAS

EITHER DEP OR ARMY CORPS. >> SPEAKER: I BELIEVE THE DEP REPORT YOU READ WAS FOR THE ON DOMS' PROPERTY AND I BELIEVE BECAUSE THEY MITIGATED A SECTION OF THE WETLAND FOR A DRIVEWAY, SO I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS PERTAINING TO.

I HAVE SEVERAL MAPPINGS OF THE PROPERTY THAT SHOW NO WETLAND ON

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S FINE.

ONE OF THE LETTERS THAT WE GOT SAID THERE'S AN AS PRENEST ON THE PROPERTY. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> SPEAKER: I BELIEVE THERE IS AN OSPREY NEST OF WHICH I WILL TAKE EVERY PRECAUTION WITH THE COUNTY.

I KNOW THAT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, ONCE THE OSPREYS ARE MATCHED HATCHED, THE EGGS MATCHED AND THEY FLY AWAY, THEN IT CAN BE MOVED TO ANOTHER PLACE ON THE PROPERTY AND I WILL TAKE WHATEVER PRECAUTION TO TELL ME WHATEVER THE COUNTY TELLS ME TO

DO IN THAT REGARDS. >> DR. HILSENBEK: OKAY.

THERE ARE SOME PHOTOS IN SOME OF THE MATERIALS WE RECEIVED TODAY.

WE GOT A THICK PACKET OF LETTERS AND SO FORTH SHOWING FLOODING IN THE AREA. WHAT IS THE FLOOR, FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION OF YOUR HOUSE? AND ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT

FLOODING OF YOUR PROPERTY? >> SPEAKER: WELL, THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WHY I'M STAYING COMPLETING ON THE UPLAND AREA, IS TO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE FLOODING, AND I KNOW THERE'S GENERAL SPLUDDING IN THE AREA, YES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE HURRICANES CAME THROUGH. IT WAS ON BOTH MY PREVIOUS HOMES AS WELL. THE ROAD HAD FLOODING, AND WE'RE NO EVENING IN A FLOOD ZONE IN MY PREVIOUS AREAS THAT I LIVED IN.

SO, YES, I MEAN, I AM CONCERNED, WHICH IS WHY I AM STAYING COMPLETELY ON THE UPLAND AREA OF MY PROPERTY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD YOUR HOUSE UP AT ALL? ELEVATE IT?

>> KRISTOPHER SMITH: . >> SPEAKER: I'M GOING TO DO WHATEVER THE COUNTY TELLS US TODAY.

MY NEIGHBOR WAS REQUIRED TO BUILD A 7-FOOT STEM WALL.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT MIGHT BE SMART.

>> SPEAKER: WHATEVER THE COUNTY TELLS ME TO DO DURING THE PERMITTING CROSSES IS WHAT I AM GOING TO DO, AND I BELIEVE, AND MR. ODOM CAN PROBABLY ATTEST TO WHAT HE HAD TO DO WHICH I

BELIEVE WAS A 7-FOOT STEM WALL. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND IN A FAIRLY LENGTHY ENGINEERING REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED A PART OF THE APPLICATION, IT MENTIONED REMOVAL OF THREE 3-1/2 FEET OF SOIL FROM THE PROPERTY AND THEN BRINGING IN FILL.

IS THAT PART OF -- >> SPEAKER: ON THE ON DOME'S

PROPERTY? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I THOUGHT

IT WAS ON YOURS. >> SPEAKER: I BELIEVE THAT WAS ON THE ODOMS' PROPERTY. HE CAN ATTEST TO THAT.

HE IS HERE. AND I BELIEVE WHAT THEY HAD TO DO WAS DEMUCK WHERE THEIR FOUNDATION WAS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: YEP. OKAY.

>> SPEAKER: AND I PLAN ON DOING THE SOIL TENSION WHEN I HAVE ACCESS TO MY PROPERTY. RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. AND THEN ONCE I FIND OUT WHAT MY SETBACKS ARE, I PLAN ON DOING BORING SAMPLES AND THEN FINDING OUT IF I DO NEED TO DEMUCK, AND IF I HAVE TO I WILL DO THAT OR

IF IT'S RECOMMENDED. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THE FACT THAT NICOLE CROSBY IS ENDORSING YOUR PROJECT SPEAKS WELL FOR IT, SO -- ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLISH SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE SEVEN SPEAKERS CARDS.

HAROLD BUCKLEY. SORRY IF I AM MISPRONOUNCING

THAT. >> I'D LIKE OTHERS TO GO BEFORE ME IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. FENCHTS WILL WILLIAM HEINZ

PLEASE COME UP. >> MS. PERKINS:

>> SPEAKER: THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TITLE.

IT'S SALTWATER. IT'S BRACKISH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHO IS SPEAKING?

>> SPEAKER: THIS IS WHERE HE WANTED TO PUT THE DRIVEWAY.

I'M JUST SAYING THIS BECAUSE THE OTHER CORN CONCERN IS WHERE IS HIS SEWAGE GOING OUT. SO I AM NOW AT THE EDGE OF MY PAVEMENT. I TAKE ONE MORE STEP, I CAN'T.

IT LITERALLY JUST FILLED MY BOOTS.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I CAN MEASURE THIS.

I CAN TRY. EDGE OF MY DRIVEWAY.

WE ARE AT 18 INCHES DEEP. OVER THERE WE'RE CLOSER TO 2 TO 2 AND A HALF FEET UP THOSE TREES BECAUSE IT DROPS DOWN.

THERE'S A DITCH. AND IF I SOOSM IN MANY SEW IN, ALL OF YOUR TREES ARE UNDERWATER.

IF I ZOOM IN. AND THIS IS WHERE HE WANTED TO CULVERT THE DRIVEWAY. THERE ARE THE TREES.

THAT WOULD BE HIS INLET RIGHT THERE.

RIGHT PAST THE DEAD TREES, TURN IN TO GO THAT WAY.

THAT IS CURRENTLY 2 FEET UNDERWATER RIGHT NOW.

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>> AND MY NAME IS BILLS HYMNS LEE 3 RECORD F. NORTH ROSCOE BOULEVARD. I HAVE A SHORT VIDEO OF THE AND IT SHOWS THE REGION PART OF OUR STREET FLOOD CORNS WP WITH THE COUNTY PERMISSION I HAD THE COUNTY WEBSITE ON THE WORKED ON LAST WEEK. THIS MAP SHOWS THE OUTCOME.

ALMOST THE ENTIRE PARCEL WAS FOUND BOB TIDAL WETLAND.

IT'S ONE OUR STREET'S LAST OF TIDAL.

THIS DISCOVERY MEANS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE THE ON US THE IDENTITY, RIGHT-OF-WAY ACCESS AND UTILITY ACCESS TO THE PRIMARY LOT WITHOUT MITT BEGINNING AT SALTWATER WETLAND.

MITIGATION WOULD BE REQUIRED ON BROATDZ COUNTY LAND ON IS -- AND DIEFERL DIEFERL WE REQUEST THE COUNTY DENY THE VARIANCE AT THIS TIME. REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO DO COMMITTEE SITE WORK WITH LICENSED AND DETERMINE THE ACTUAL UPLANL AND BUFFERING AND ADHERE TO THE REQUIRED SETBACKS OF 50 FEET. WE ASK THE COUNTY RULE HE FIND ANOTHER POINT OF ACCESS WHICH WILL INCREASE FLOOD FOR EXISTING HOMES. THE COUNTY CANNOT BE EXPECTED TO SHOULDER THE LIABILITY OF SIMPLY TO CREATE AN EASIER BUILDING ROUTE FOR THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR

TIME. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? >> MR. MATOVINA: SURE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WHEN WAS THAT VIDEO TAKEN?

WAS IT AFTER MATTHEW OR IRMA? >> SPEAKER: NO.

IT WAS IN THE LAST YEAR. >> SPEAKER: DURING THE KING TIDES. THESE FLOODS HAPPEN QUITE OFTEN.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND ON THE AERIAL PHOTO YOU WERE JUST SHOWING, IS YOUR HOUSE JUST TO NORTH?

>> SPEAKER: YES. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: MR. BUCKLEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO NOW COME UP.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. I'M HAROLD BUCKLEY.

I LIVE ANOTHER 350 NORTH ROSCOE. AND I'M JUST HERE TO DEAL WITH FACTS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL REALLY WANT.

FACT, THAT STREET FLOODS WHENEVER THERE'S A KING TIDE RIGHT IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO MUCH SO THAT I CAN'T DRIVE MY CAR ACROSS THAT WATER.

NOW, IF WE GO AND BUILD MORE ON THE EAST SIDE OF ROSCOE, IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE ROAD FLOOD MORE.

SECOND FACT, MR. PONTARELLI SAYS THAT BECAUSE HE HAS THREE YARDS, THAT'S A HARDSHIP. NO.

THE HARDSHIP IS BECAUSE OF WHAT HE WANTS TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTY. IT'S NOT A HARDSHIP BECAUSE HE HAS A YARD. IT'S A HARDSHIP BECAUSE WHAT HE WANTS TO BUILD. THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH LAND ON THE UPLAND LAND TO BUILD A THREE BEDROOM, FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE WITH A GARAGE AND A POOL. AND SO SAYING THAT THAT HARDSHIP IS CAUSED BY THE COUNTY IS DISINGENUOUS.

IT'S LIKE SOMEONE WHO IS SUING FOR ADULTERY AND HE'S THE ONE WHO COMMITTED THE ADULTERY. AND THIRD, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE WOULD BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND NOT HAVE THE WETLAND DELINEATION LINES FUN DONE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S NOT DONE. THE ONLY DELINEATION LINES ARE FOUR YEARS OLD AND THEY'RE OUT OF DATE, WHICH MR. ODOM WILL TALK ABOUT. SO NI IN ALL FAIRNESS ON MY PROPERTY AND EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY ON THAT EAST SIDE OF ROSCOE, WE HAVE TO HAVE 50-FOOT SETBACKS FROM THE WETLANDS, AND WHAT MR. HEINZ JUST POINTED OUT, THEY HAD THE COUNTY OUT TO DO THE SURVEY, AND THAT SPOT WHERE MR. PONTARELLI WANTS TO PUT HIS

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>> MS. PERKINS: SUSIE COINL. >> MR. MATOVINA: TOM, WE'RE HAVING A BAD ECHO IN HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL OR NOT BUT WE KEEP GETTING AN ECHO. [INAUDIBLE]

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. SPENCHTS SUSIE CONNELLY STILL HERE? NEIL BERNARD.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS NEIL BARNETT, AND I LIVE AT 347 NORTH ROSCOE. I USED TO LIVE AT 350, 350 NORTH ROSCOE BOULEVARD ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD.

HAROLD BUCKLEY NOW OWNS THAT HOUSE.

HE JUST SPOKE. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO ASK WHERE IS THE COMMISSIONER WHO ACTUALLY SERVICES THIS DISTRICT.

IS HE PRESENT? >> DR. HILSENBECK: WE ARE NOT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SITTING HERE.

>> SPEAKER: I'M SORRY. WHAT IS THIS?

THE PLANNING & ZONING? >> DR. HILSENBECK: YES.

>> SPEAKER: UNDERSTOOD. WITH REGARD TO THE REQUEST FOR VARIANCE, I FEEL LIKE ALONG ROSCOE, I'M CERTAIN THAT YOU ALL HAVE SAT THROUGH PLENTY OF THESE HEARINGS TO KNOW THAT THAT AREA IS -- IS BURDENED WITH FLOODING, WITH SAFETY ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE ROADWAY, NOT TO MENTION THE FACT OBVIOUSLY THAT THERE HAVE BEEN INJURIES AND DEATHS RELATED TO VEHICLE AND PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS, INCLUDING SCHOOLCHILDREN.

CURRENTLY AT THAT END OF THE STREET, NORTH ROSCOE EXTENSION, THERE'S AN EXCEPTION IN PLACE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT ALLOWS THE BUS TO SIMPLY PICK UP CHILDREN AT ONE STOP.

THAT STOP HAPPENS TO BE -- I HAVE TWO CHILDREN IN GRADE SCHOOL, THIRD AND FIFTH GRADE, AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER RESIDENTS ALONG OUR STREET WHO SEND THEIR KIDS UP THAT STREET WALKING, RIDING BICYCLES, WHAT HAVE YOU TO THE ONE BUS STOP THAT THEY'VE IDENTIFIED SOMEHOW ON ROSCOE BOULEVARD THAT IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THE NORTH ROSCOE EXTENSION WHERE THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE VARIANCE TO ADJUST THE SETBACK. THE SAFETY ALONG THAT SECTION AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN QUESTION. BY OFFERING A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR SUCH A REMARKABLE DEVELOPMENT THERE WOULD MOST CERTAINLY INCREASE THE HAZARD ASSOCIATED WITH MY KIDS WALKING TO THE ONE AND ONLY BUS STOP ON THE NORTH ROSCOE EXTENSION, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S NOT ALLOWED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY'VE MADE THAT EXCEPTION ON THE EXTENSION.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT YOU DENY THE REQUEST FOR -- DENY THE REQUEST FOR THIS VARIANCE ON THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: BRAD ODOM. >> SPEAKER: HI.

MY NAME IS BRAD ODOMLY AT 334 NORTH ROSCOE SO I'M ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THE APPLICANT'S LOT, LOT 47.

NOW I'LL KEEP THIS BRIEF BUT I JUST WANTED TO OPPOSE TO 2-FOOT VETERINARIAN ON THE SOUTHERN END.

I KNOW 2 FEET DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 7,000 SQUARE FOOT DUAL BUILDING PAD, YOU'RE LOOKING AT OVER 11,000 SQUARE FEET, 35 FEET HIGH WITHIN THE HALF ACRE UPLAND AREA, THAT SEEMS PRETTY DENSE TO ME.

SO THAT ADDITIONAL 2 FEET IS ABOUT 200 SQUARE FEET OF ADDITIONAL RUNOFF THAT WOULD BE DISCHARGED DIRECTLY INTO MY YARD, AND AS EVERYBODY HAS STATED ON THE ROAD WE GET SEVERE

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I HAVE WATER ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF MY HOUSE.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DILGD BUILDING BUILDING, JUST SOMETHING A LITTLE LESS DENSE FROM SITE PLAN I THINK PERSONALLY MAKE MORE SENSE.

AND ALSO I WANTED TO STATE, I KNOW THERE'S CONFUSION AS FAR AS SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU MENTIONED, RICHARD.

HE CONTINUES TO USE MY PERMITS IN ALL THE SUB 34EU89S.

HE'S USING MY DEP PERMIT WITH MY WETLAND LINES WHICH ARE EXPIRED.

A NEW WETLAND DELINEATION NEEDS TO BE DONE.

HE SUBMITTED BY SOIL REPORT WHICH HAS NO SOILABLE RINGS ON HIS LOT. I KNOW HE MENTIONED AS SOON AS HE GETS ACCESS HE'S GOING TO DO THAT.

I'VE ALSO SEEN MY ARMY CORPS PERMIT SUBMITTED AS WELL WHICH HE MENTIONED IS A -- WAS A SPECIFIC PERMIT FOR MY DRIVEWAY CONNECTION WHICH WE HAD PERMITTED WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED THE PROPERTY SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

AND SO, YEAH, JUST WANTED TO GO ON RECORD AND SAY I OPPOSE THE ASIANS VEL. I THINK FOR THE WELFARE AND SAFETY OF THE STREET, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MITIGATE THE FLOODING, BOTH ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF THAT LOT

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: SEAN MCNEIL. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. ODOM, WOULD YOU COME BACK UP. MR. ODOM, DID YOU SELL THE

APPLICANT HIS PROPERTY? >> SPEAKER: I DID.

>> MR. PETER: DID YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHETHER ANY

VARIANCES WOULD BE NEEDED? >> SPEAKER: I DID NOT.

>> MR. PETER: DID YOU TALK ABOUT FLOODING OR WHAT YOUR

EXPECTATIONS WOULD BE? >> SPEAKER: I MENTIONED THERE'S SEVERE FLOODING IN THE AREA, AND HE MENTIONED HE DIDN'T

BELIEVE IT WAS TIDAL. >> AND DID YOU TALK TO HIM ABOUT

WHERE THE ACCESS SHOULD BE? >> SPEAKER: I MENTIONED WHERE THIS ACCESS OPTION WERE AS FAR AS IMPACTING THE WETLAND FROM

RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> SO THERE I WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT ATTORNEY GENERAL PLACE TO ACCESS IT WITHOUT IMPACTING THE WETLAND WOULD BE OFF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY?

>> SPEAKER: YEAH, BUT HE WASN'T A POSED TO THAT WHEN HE

THIBAUT THE PROPERTY. >> THE LAST THE DISTANCE GOING TO BE FROM THE NORTHERN SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE AND THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE IF HE GETS THIS VARIANCE?

>> SPEAKER: IT WOULD BE 48 FEET.

>> THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: SEAN MCKALE. >> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS SEAN MCKALE LIVE AT 342 NORTH ROSCOE BOULEVARD.

THIS REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FLEEDZ TO DENIED.

THE CONFLICT IS SPRI SIMPLY FRYING TO GET A SQUARE PEG INTO A ROUND HOLE. DENYING THIS REQUESTED CHANGE DOES NOT PREVENT THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE PROPERTY IN A MANNER IN WHICH IS REASONABLE, CUSTOMARY AND CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER WHAT HE IS TRYING TO PUT INTO THIS PLAN IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I HAVE FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF THE AREA.

I LIVE ABOUT 100 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY.

MY HOUSE WAS BUILT 20 YEARS AGO AND I'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH FLOODING UP UNTIL THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WHEN THERE WAS DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. FOR YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, THIS STREET WILL FLOOD ON A SUNNY DAY AND IT HASN'T RAINED IN A WEEK.

I'VE HAD PERSONAL HARDSHIPS. I'VE HAD TO SELL MY FOUR DOOR SEDAN BECAUSE IT WAS TOO LOW TO THE GROUND BECAUSE THERE WILL WERE SEVERAL INSTANCES IN WHICH I COULD NOT DRIVE HOME.

I HAD TO CALL NEIGHBORS TO COME PICK ME UP AND DRIVE ME HOME.

THE SCHOOL BUS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOL BUS SEVERAL TIMES HAS ALSO NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET TO THAT PROPERTY, THE CORNER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THEY HAVE HAD TO STOP, CALL NEIGHBORS, GO GET THE KIDS, PICK THEM UP. IT HAS HAPPENED.

IT DOES HAPPEN. IT DOES HAPPEN.

THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A REDUCTION IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK TO 8 FEET IN LIEU OF THE 20-FOOT REQUIREMENT.

THAT'S A 60% DIFFERENCE. NOW, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE 1%, 2%, MAYBE THAT'S NEXT LIDGEABLE.

60% IS LAUGHABLE. YES AGREE WITH ANYBODY BUILDING ON THIS LOT, AND YOU MAY TWHANT TO ASK THE APPLICANT HOW MUCH DIRT HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO PUT ON THAT LOT IN ORDER TO BUILD ON IT. MAYBE A GOOD QUESTION TO ASK.

BUT THIS VARIANCE JUST CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED.

IT CAN'T BE JUSTIFIED. PLEASE DENY THIS REQUEST.

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THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: HEINZ.

>> SPEAKER: JILL HEINZ 340 NORTH ROSCOE BOULEVARD, PONTE VEDRA BEACH. I ASK THAT BE DENIED BASED ON THE SEVEN FOLLOWING EVIDENCE POINTS.

I WILL SPEAK QUICKLY. THIS FIRST PHOTO SHOWS A SIDE BY SIGHT WITH THE SITE PLAN ON THE LEFT AND PART OF OF IT ON IT RIGHT. PUMPLE AND GREEN EL SHOW ALTERED BUFFER LINES WITH NO CURRENT SURVEY ORE DELINEATION WORK ON FILE. THE.

22,419 SQUARE FEET OF UPLAND IS AT THE MID-THIRD OF WILL NOT A REGULAR SHAPE LOT OF. HIS HARDSHIP NARRATIVE SEEMS CHEF DERIVED BECAUSE THEY I. HE SIMPLY WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT FIT ON THIS LOT. THAN THE WING TO BUILD SOMETHING OF UNPRECEDENTED SIZE DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN HARDSHIP AND HARDSHIP ON THE ACT OF OWNER DOES NOT JUSTIFY A VARIANCE.

THE SECOND PHOTO I HAVE IS OF THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN.

TBAIDZ ON THE SITE PLAN THERE APPEARS AN EXTREME LACK OF ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL LIKE BAY WINDOWS, INSET PORCHES, ET CETERA. SIMPLE REC TANGLES ARE NOT THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE HIEGHTD OF 35 FEET FOR BOTH BUILDINGS IS ALSO A CONCERN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE HOMES AVERAGE LESS THAN 30 FEET, AND GARAGES AVERAGE 50 TO 65 PERCENT OF THE MAIN SO MANY INFRASTRUCTURE HEIGHT.

BASED ON IS YOU MTDMENTS, PHOTOS AND TBAIDZ ON NEIGHBOR FLOODING THE APPLICANT'S INTEND USE THIS APPLICATION SHOULD NOTE BE REQUESTED. THE NUMBER 5, FREFNS WHAT U.

VERY HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF GARAGE SPACE WOULD BE USED FOR MUST BE CONSIDERED WHEN THE APPLICANT IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF A LOCAL AUTOMOTIVE LEASING COMPANY.

COURAGEOUS GARAGES CAN STORE UP TO 40 VEHICLES DEPENDING ON SIZE AND POSSIBLY DOUBLE THAT IF HYDRAULIUC LIFT.

BUSINESS STORAGE IS AGAINST ALL RIEWR WRL USAGE AND SPECIAL USE ALLOWANCES UNDER COUNTY GOVERNMENT OATH 2.300 IN TO 6 -- NUMBER 6, STATED UPLANDS CONSTITUTE OVER HALF AN ACRE OR .51 ACRES I 110-FOOT LOT A HALF ACRE WOULD MEASURE APPROXIMATELY 110 FEET BY 204 FEET P.

HE'S CLAIMING NO WET TONIGHT NORTH AND SOUTH.

HIS TOTAL IMPFERS COVERAGE ON THE SITE PLAN IS STATING 9,008 NFNT SQUARE FEET WHICH IS LESS THAN A QUARTER OF AN ACRE OR ONLY 44% OF THE YUPLANDS. WHY, THEN, JUST THE SITE PLAN SHOW ALMOST ALL OF THE YUMLANDS ARE STENLD COVERAGE EVEN AFTER REDUCING THE ORIGINAL BUFFER PIPELINES IS THE SITE KEY SHOWS .99 AREAS, OF. AND IT WOULD EQUAL 1.5 ACRES BUT THE LOT IS 1 FNT PER ACRES. THIS POSED A DISCREPANCY OF APPROXIMATELY 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE LOT.

HIS SITE PLAN IS SELF-CONTRADICTING.

TO PROPERLY EVALUATE ANY SUBSEQUENT PLAN SURVEY, WORK AND DELINEATION WORK SHOULD BE REQUIRED.

AND FINALLY THE THIRD PHOTO IS A SCREEN SHOT STRAIGHT FROM THE APPLICANT'S -- STRAIGHT FROM THE PUBLIC RECORD FILE OF THE APPLICANT. THIS APPLICANT TOOK ARMY CORPS PERMITS AND SOIL TESTS TO THE DO OMS'S BUILDINGS RECORDS AND SUBMITTED THEM. I HAVE COVERAGES FROM THE ARMY CORPS THAT THESE WILL NOT INTENDS FOR HIS LOT OR HIS DRIVEWAY ACCESS. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY P SAID HE WAS NOT GRANTED FOR PERMISSION. HE WAS GUIDED TO HOW TO A FLY APPLY FOR IT. NOW WE KNOW IT IS JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND. THE COUNTY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO MITIGATE ITS OWN SALTWATER WETLAND TO APIECE SOMEBODY AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR HIM BECAUSE HE SIMPLY IS CLAIMING EVERYTHIN-

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? MR. PONTARELLI, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND OFFER SOME

REBUTTAL? >> CHRIS PONTARELLI: I HAVE THE EMAIL HERE FROM MR. -- GIVING US --

>> SPEAKER: MAFNLG YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEAK UP AND GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THAT MICROPHONE, WHERE PONTARELLI,

PLEASE. >> CHRIS PONTARELLI: I DO WANT T PRESENTED. , WHAT SHE OUTLINED AS MY

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THE ON DOMS MOVED, THAT PROPERTY LINE BEFORE THEY SOLD IT TO US.

THEY SUBDIVIDE IT 12K3 MOVED IT OVER 38.6 FEET.

SO THAT IS THAT OLD PROPERTY LINE THAT SHE WAS REFERRING TO RIGHT THERE. SO THE COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY, WE LIVE WHERE THERE'S A TIDAL CREEK IN OUR BACKYARD, AND, YES, IT COMES THROUGH THAT COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY IT.

COMES AND GOES A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

IT DID GO TO THE ODOMS' HOUSE WHEN -- BEFORE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY WHEN THE KING TIDES CAME THROUGH.

AND I KNEW THAT THERE WERE -- THERE WAS TIDAL MARSH.

FURTHERMORE, THE ODOMS HAD TOLD ME BEFORE MANY TIMES BEFORE WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY THAT THE COUNTY TRIED TO GET THEM TO USE THE COUNTY-OWNED RIGHT-OF-WAY TO ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY, BUT SELL THE PROPERTY, WHICH WE ENDED UP PURCHASING, SO THAT THE COUNTY, INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM MITIGATE A DRIVEWAY, TOLD THEM TO ACTUALLY USE THE COUNTY-OWNED RIGHT-OF-WAY TO ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY. SO IT WAS ALWAYS MY INTENTION.

I NEVER WANTED TO MITIGATE WETLANDS.

IT WASN'T A FINANCIAL THING. IT WAS A PRESERVATION THING.

SO THE COUNTY-OWNED RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND, I HAVE CHILDREN, I DON'T WANT TO HARM ANYONE OR DO ANYTHING THAT WILL HARM THE ENVIRONMENT OR PEOPLE THAT USE THE COUNTY-OWNED RIGHT-OF-WAY. I DO HAVE IMAGES OF TWO, SOMETIMES THREE VEHICLES PARKED ON THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY, AERIAL IMAGES THAT I HAVE WITH ME TODAY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM.

IF THAT IS SUCH A SACRED RIGHT-OF-WAY, WHY IS IT BEING USED AS A PARKING LOT CURRENTLY? I DON'T PLAN ON PARKING ON IT WHEN I HAVE CONSTRUCTION I DON'T PLAN ON HAVING CONTRACTORS PARK ON IT AS WELL BECAUSE I DO WANT THE SCHOOL BUS TO BACK UP AND DO WHAT IT DOES TO TURN AROUND IN THAT AREA.

SO I DEFINITELY PLAN ON PRIFG THE COUNTY-OWNED RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE PURPOSES THAT THE COUNTY USES IT.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR

ME. >> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. PONTARELLI? I HAVE ONE, MR. PONTARELLI. WHAT IS THE DIMENSION OF YOUR

LOT FROM NORTH TO SOUTH? EXRINCHTS >> CHRIS PONTARELM NORTH TO SOUTH. IT IS 110 FEET.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO YOUR TWO STRUCTURES, YOU NEED 30 FEET OF SETBACK TO NOT NEED A VARIANCE, SO YOUR TWO STRUCTURES ARE

TAKING UP MORE THAN 80 FEET. >> CHRIS PONTARELLI: YES, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> CHRIS PONTARELLI: I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OR THERE ARE SEVERAL HOMES ON THE ROAD THAT HAVE SNAWRL ACREAGE THAN ME -- SMALLER ACREAGE THAN ME, .63 AND 1.3 ACRES.

THEY HAVE A LARGER FOOTPRINT THAN ME, ANYWHERE FROM 68 UNHAD ACRES, WHICH ISN'T LARGER, BUT UP TO 9600 FOOTPRINT THEIR BUILDING WITHOUT ANY HARDSHIPS THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED, AND MOST OF THOSE HAVE BEEN BUILT, A COUPLE OF THOSE WERE BUILT IN THE PAST THREE YEARS AND MOST WERE BUILT IN THE PAST TEN

YEARS. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SINCE YOU KNOW THE DIMENSIONS OF YOUR NEIGHBORS' PROPERTIES, YOU JUST MENTIONED THEM, DID THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR VARIANCES TO GET THOSE

HOUSES BUILT? >> CHRIS PONTARELLI: THE ONES

THAT I JUST MENTIONED? >> DR. HILSENBECK: YES.

>> CHRIS PONTARELLI: THEY DID NOT BECAUSE THEY ALL HAD 8-FOOT SETBACKS AND THEY HAD NO WETLANDS AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE

THREE FRONT YARDS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> CHRIS PONTARELLI: YES, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? IF NOT --

>> SPEAKER: CAN I ASK A QUESTION?

>> MR. MATOVINA: NO, YOU CAN'T, SIR.

34SZ MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: THIS IS TO STAFF OR THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS BUT DOES HE HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THAT COUNTY ROAD RIOT RIGHT-OF-WAY TO ACCESS HIS

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HOUSING? >> WE HAVE REVIEWED THE OWNERSHIP OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND IT'S OWNED BY THE COUNTY, SO HE IS ALLOWED TO USE THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY.

>> MS. PERKINS: THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.

DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S PAVED UP TO HIS ACCESS POINT?

>> THAT I DO NOT KNOW. IT APPEARS TO BE PAVED FROM THE AERIAL, BUT I DON'T KNOW. SOMEONE OUT THERE CAN --

[INAUDIBLE] >> MS. PERKINS: MA'AM, YOU CAN'T TALK. I'M SORRY.

>> SPEAKER: NARCH GIK SOUSA CHIEF ENGINEER FOR GROWTH MANAGEMENT. THE ROAD IS PAVED.

IT WAS PAVED FOR THE HOME THAT IS TO THE NORTH THAT OF RIGHT-OF-WAY. THEY HAD AN AGREEMENT UNDER A PRIOR ADMINISTRATION AND PRIOR MANAGEMENT OF THE ROAD AND BRIDGE OVER THE PUBLIC WORKS TO BUILD THEMSELVES AN ACCESS THROUGH THE PLATTED RIGHT-OF-WAY.

IT IS EXISTING NON-STANDARD RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT THE COUNTY DOES NOT MAINTAIN, BUT IT WITHIN THE COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY.

IT IS COMFORTED OPEN FOR THE PURPOSES OF ACCESS -- CONSIDERED OPEN FOR THE PURPOSES ACCESS AND IT IS PAVED.

>> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU. >> CAN YOU ZOOM INTO THAT IMAGE?

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PONTARELLI, WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU ANY MORE QUESTIONS. IF WE NEED YOU, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. THANK YOU.

WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: I'D LIKE TO OFFER A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2022-07 PONTARELLI RESIDENS BASED UPON SEVEN CONDITIONS.

AND FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PETER. MR. PIERRE.

>> MR. PETER:. >> MR. PIERRE: CLOSE ENOUGH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SAR SORRY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ? I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.

WETLAND PERMITS SUCH AS THESE PERMITS THAT MR. AND MRS. ODOM GOT TYPICALLY GO WITH THE PROPERTY.

THE CORPS -- AND IT APPEARS THESE TWO WETLAND PERMITS THAT WE HAVE HERE ARE BOTH FOR WETLAND IMPACTS FOR THE ODOMS' DRIVEWAY AND THE CORPS PERMIT IS EXPIRED, IT APPEARS, UNLESS IT'S BEEN EXTENDED, AND THIS F DOT PERMIT IS STILL VALID UNTIL DECEMBER 13TH BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A QUESTIONABLE MR. ODOM FILLED HIS DRIVEWAY AND FULFILLED ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PERMIT, SO DOES THIS PERMIT STILL APPLY WITH REGARD TO THE WETLAND LINE. SO THE QUOAR WETLAND LINES BASED ON WHAT I HEY SEE HERE ARE UP IN THE AIR, AND IF DIDN'TEP SIGN-OFF ON THE WETLAND LINES ARE MAYBE GOOD UNTIL DECEMBER, MAYBE NOT. THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT.

I PERSONALLY THINK 80 FEET IS QUITE A GOOD DEPTH TO BE ABLE TO BUILD. I THINK THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED WITH SO MANY GARAGES WAS WHAT'S CREATING THE PROBLEM HERE.

THAT'S MY OWN PERSONAL THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

IN ANY EVENT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. OKAY.

SO THAT MOTION DOES NOT PASS. IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION?

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO DENY ZONING VARIANCE 2022-07 PONTARELLI RESIDENTS BASED ON

FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY. IS THERE A SECOND? WE'VE GOT A SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE, MINDFUL THAT A YES VOTE IS A VOTE TO

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MR. TURNAGE. >> THOMAS TURNAGE: DO I START THE SLIDE OR DOES IT GO? MY NAME IS TOM TURNAGE AND I

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HAVE A PICTURE OF IT IF WE CAN GET THE SLIDE TO COME UP.

I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2003 AND NO EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE AT THE HOUSE SINCE THAT TIME.

THE PROPERTY IS TWO-STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.

CAN WE START THAT? THERE WE GO.

I'M SORRY. >> MR. MATOVINA: I'M NOT SCR

GOOD ATIT EITHER, MR. TURNAGE. >> THOMAS TURNAGE: I THOUGHT MAYBE THE FIRST ONE WOULD COME UP.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. ANYWAY, THE PROPERTY AS YOU CAN SEE IS A IS TO STOI SINGLE FAMILY WITH A ONE-STORY ONE CAR ATTACHED AND THE GARAGE IS THE FOCAL POINT OF THE DISCUSSION IN THE VARIANCE REQUEST. THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A FRONT YARD SETBACK OF 14 FEET IN LIEU OF 25-FOOT REQUIREMENT IN THE RS THREE ZONING TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SECOND STORY ADDITION ABOVE THE GARAGE. I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO POINT OUT HERE IS THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING TO GO TO 14 FEET. IT IS AT 14 FEET.

THE PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1975 ON A LOT THAT WAS PLATTED IN 1947. AND AT THAT TIME THE SETBACK WAS DETERMINED BY THE PLATTED BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE OF 20 FEET. IN 1980 THE GARAGE WAS ADDED, REDUCING THE SETBACK DISTANCE TO ITS CURRENT 14 FEET WHICH IS WHY THE PROPERTY IS DEEMED AS NON-CONFORMING.

SO THIS VARIANCE REQUEST IS ASKING FOR APPROVAL FOR THE GRANGE THAT HAS EXISTED FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS.

I DO NOT INTEND TO CHANGE THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPERTY. WHAT I HOPE TO DO IS APPROVED IS TO BUILD A SECOND STORY ON TOP OF THE GARAGE.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT ANGLE THERE. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE FLOOR PLENTY OF SECOND LEVEL OF THE HOUSE.

THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN IS ON THE LEFT WITH THE OUTLINE OF THE GARAGE BELOW. AND THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLANE IS ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE. THE I HOPE TO ADD A BEDROOM, BATH AND CLOSET WHILE CONVERT 10 EXISTING BEDROOM NUMBER 3 INTO ACCESS WAY AND MECHANICAL ROOM. THE HOUSE WILL REMAIN A FOUR-BEDROOM HOUSE WITH A ONE ADDED BATH.

THE NEXT SLIDE THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW ARE THE ELEVATIONS OF THE PROPERTY. AGAIN THE EXISTING IS ON THE LEFT AND THE PROPOSED IS ON THE RIGHT.

THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION WHICH IS THE STREET ELEVATION.

YOU CAN SEE THE ONE-STORY GARAGE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE AND THEN THE NEW GARAGE ON THE RIGHT WITH THE SECOND STORY ABOVE.

THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION. AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING TO THE LEFT AND THE PROPOSED TO THE RIGHT.

AND THEN HERE'S THE NORTH ELEVATION EXISTING TO THE LEFT AND THE PROPOSED TO THE RIGHT. AND THEN HERE'S BASICALLY THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE FIRST FLOOR WHICH THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THIS AT ALL. SO I THINK WHAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PRELIMINARY PLAN IS I BELIEVE THE ADDITION FITS WELL WITH THE SIDES AND STYLE AND THE MASS OF THE STRUCTURE AND WE'LL HAVE AN EXTERIOR FINISHES THAT MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE.

AND AGAIN, TO REITERATE THERE'S NO CHANGES IN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF STRUCTURE ON THE LOT.

THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL END DROAVMENT THAT ENGINEERING STANDPOINT CEO THAT WILL OCCUR.

THIS IS THE PLAT OF THE LOT AND IT SHOWS THE BUILDING AND RESTRICTION LINE AT 20 FEET.

AS I NOTED BEFORE THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 75 OSES A LOT THAT WAS PLATTED IN TBLEFN EVER AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND THAT THE AT THAT TIME THE AT THE TIME BAG WAS DEFINED BY THE BUILDING RESTRICTION TOTE PLAT WHICH WAS 20 FEET, NOT THE 25 CURRENT IN EFFECT. THE GARAGE WAS ADDED IN 1980 AND IS SET BACK TO 14.3 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE SO AT THE TIME OF THIS CONSTRUCTION, IT ONLY EXTENDED 5.7 FEET BASICALLY THIS FAR ACROSS THE SETBACK LINE AT THAT TIME.

I ACTUALLY THINK THE 20-FOOT SETBACK LINE STILL APPLIES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THAT AREA. THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH.

IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE BUT MY HOUSE IS THE ONE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. YOU CAN SEE THE THANK A LOT OF THE OTHER HOUSES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD 2809 ARE ALSO BUILT TO THE 20 FOOTE SETBACK LINE AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF VARIANCES THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED OVER THE YEARS FOR FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE THAT CLOSER EVEN CLOSER. I BELIEVE THAT MY HOUSE BLENDS IN VERY WELL WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CERTAINLY DOES NOT STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB. AGAIN, THESE PICTURES ARE MY NEIGHBORS' HOMES, ALSO SHOW THAT THE ADDITION TO THE PROPERTY WILL NOT BE OUT OF SCALE IN PRO FORG TO THE HOWTH NEAR MINE AS CAN BE SEEN IN THE PHOTOS. MY HOUSE WILL BE SMALLER AND MORE COMPACT THAN MOST OF MY NEIGHBOR'S HOMES.

IN FACT SIX OF NINE HOMES CLOSE TOES ME ARE THREE STORIES HIGH AND NONE OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE EXPRESSED ANY CONCERN WITH THE ADDITION. THIS IS A VIEW THE TO SOUTH WITH BIGGER HOMES AS WELL. WHAT I'M REALLY TRYING TO SAY HERE IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE ADDITION BLENDS IN WELL WITH THE STYLE AND CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS NOT CON TRIERT PUBLIC INTEREST. DOCTOR NOTE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST. NESS A SURVEY OF MY PROPERTY.

THE PROPERTY SID ON OCEAN FROT LOT AND SOUTHWARD OF THE COASTAL

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ALTHOUGH THE PLATTED LOT IS RELATIVELY DEEP, MUCH OF THE LOT IS EAST OF THE SWALL AND PART OF THE BEACH ITSELF.

THE REDDISH COLORED LINE NEAR THE CENTER OF THIS LOT, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT HEAVY LINE IN THE MIDDLE, THAT'S SEAL THE SEAWALL SO EVERYTHING TO THE RIGHT IS ACTUALLY OUT ON THE BEACH ITSELF. EVEN THOUGH IT'S PART OF MY PLAT. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S CERTAINLY NOT A LOT OF ROOM BUT ON THE EAST SIDE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE BEACH RESULTING IN A LOT THAT IS IN REALITY VERY SHALLOW AND EXCEPTIONAL, WITH EXCEPTION AT TOPOGRAPHIC CONDITIONS.

SO BRICK THIS HOUSE INTO FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE WOULD REALLY REQUIRE DEMOLITION OF THE GARAGE.

HOWEVER, THERE'S INSUFFICIENT ROOM TO BUILD IT BACK OH A DIFFERENT SPOT. TO ACCOMPLISH MY GOMES WOULD I THINK REQUIRE DEMOLITION OF THE ENTIRE HOUSE AND REBUILDING A NEW TALLER BOX-LIKE STRUCTURE WHICH YOU SEE SO MUCH ON THE BEACH NEAR ME. I HOPE YOU WILL AGREE THAT SUCH ACTION WOULD CONSTITUTE AN UNDUE HARDSHIP.

SO IN CONCLUSION BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE HOUSE, THE PREEXISTING NATURE OF THE NON-CONFORMITY, THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION TO HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE UNUSUAL TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE AND THARDSHIP PRESENTED, I BELIEVE THAT APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE REQUEST WOULD BE VERY MUCH IN HARMONY WITH THE SPIRIT AND PURPOSE OF THE CODE AND I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR FAVORABLE

CONVERSATION MY REQUEST. >> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO BE DECLARED?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: NONE. >> MR. MATOVINA: SHE GO NONE, DR. HILSENBECK YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY A QUESTION BUT IT'S A COMMENT FROM MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.

AND I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF YOUR VARIANCE, YOUR REQUEST, SO I'LL EVEN MOVE TO APPROVE IT, BUT I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THAT LOOKS LIKE A 6-FOOT FENCE. [LAUGHTER]

>> MR. MATOVINA: I SAW THAT, DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND THE NEIGHBOR TO THE RIGHT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE AN 8-FOOT FENCE. YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACK VIEW

PARTICULARLY. >> MR. MATOVINA: SHOULD WE

CALL THAT APPLICANT BACK? >> DR. HILSENBECK: JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. ANYWAY BE THAT'S MY COMMENT.

>> SPEAKER: THE FENCE THAT IS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME TOO.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M NOT OBJECTING TO IT.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. TURNAGE? THAT WAS NOT A QUESTION, I GUESS. MR. TURNAGE, DO YOU KNOW A GOOD CONTRACTOR WHO CAN HANDLE THIS ADDITION?

>> SPEAKER: ACTUALLY, I DO. I THINK WE MET BEFORE SIR.

YEAH, I'VE BEEN A CONTRACTOR FOR 33 YEARS.

I'M ACTUALLY RIDER NOW, SO I PROBABLY WILL DOUGH THIS ON MY

PROPERTY, BUT THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: I'M SURE YOU'LL DO A GREAT JOB. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

I THINK WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS WE'RE REALLY -- IF HE ALREADY HAD A VARIANCE FOR HIS GARAGE, WE HOONT BE WOULDN'T BE HERE .

WE COULD BUILD THE SECOND STORY WITHOUT ACTION BY THIS BOARD PUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS HELPING OUT IN A NON-CONFORMING USE.

THAT IS RIGHT 1234. >> DR. HILSENBECK: HE SAID

IT'S 40 YEARS OLD. >> MR. CHAIR WEEK MIKE ROBERSON.

WE HAVE AN EXISTING GARAGE THAT'S NON-CONFORMING THAT WE'RE ADDING ONTO A NON-CONFORMITY, WHICH IS NOT REALLY ALLOWED IN OUR CODE BECAUSE IT'S EXACERBATING THE ALREADY NON-CONFORMITY. WE BASICALLY DO NOT ENCOURAGE NON-CONFORMITIES TO EXIST IN THE CODE, AND DON'T ALLOW EXPANSION.

HOWEVER, APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE WOULD ALLOW THAT.

IT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AN EXACERBATION.

IT WOULD BE AN APPROVED CODE. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

>> MR. MATOVINA: NOT REALLY, BUT I THINK I KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE IN SPEAKER CARDS? THEN BAER BACK INTO THE AGENCY

FOR A MOTION. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2022-11 TURNAGE SECOND STORY ADDITION, REQUEST FOR ZONING VARIANCE TO TABLE 6.01 OF THE

[Items 6 & 7]

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE GOT A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY DR. HILSENBECK. SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.

ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

THANK GOODNESS, MR. TURNAGE. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >> MR. MATOVINA: LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6. MS. TAYLOR, ARE YOU PRESENTING OR MS. WHITTINGTON? ALL RIGHT.

>> SHE MADE ME TODAY IS MORE LIKE IT.

CARCH, PZA. MY NAME IS KATHRYN WHITTINGTON

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32084. SO HERE WITH ME TODAY AS YOU'VE HEARD IS KAREN TAYLOR, THE PLANNER ON THE PROJECT, AND TOM HARAS WITH A SIMILAR COMPANY. , THE APPLICANT.

SO I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO COMBINE BOTH OF THESE APPLICATIONS INTO ONE PRESENTATION IN THE INTERESTS OF TIME. IT'S BEEN A LONG AFTERNOON.

AND I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

THIS IS A LOCATION MAP. ON THE LEFT YOU SEE A ZOOMED IN PORTION, PICTURE OF IT SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT IS.

IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF 207 JUST SOUTH OF WILDWOOD DRIVE INTERSECTION. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT YOU SEE A ZOOMED-OUT PICTURE THAT SHOWS ALL THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO PUBLIX TO FILL THEIR NEEDED DEMAND.

THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP ON THE LEFT.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S IN MIXED USE LAND USE AND ON THE RIGHT IT IS IN COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ZONING, WHICH ARE TWO OF THE HIGHEST INTENSITY DESIGNATIONS IN THE COUNTY.

SO THE SPECIAL USE IS FOR AN ASSESS RI PACKAGE LIQUOR STORE ADJACENT TO THE TREATY OAKS PUBLIX CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTIONY STATE ROAD 2770 THE VARIANCE IS TO THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT OF 1,000 FEET BETWEEN EXISTING SEARCHES AND PACKAGE LIQUOR STORES.

SO I'M GOING TO START WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AS I SAID, IT'S REQUIRED IN COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ZONING FOR A PACKAGE LIQUOR STORE, IF THIS WERE IN A PUD THEY WOULDN'T NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THEY WOULD HAVE ADDED THIS AN LOU PINIELLA USE IN THE PUD. BUT BECAUSE IT'S IN COMMERCIAL EXTENSIVE AND IT'S NOT A PUD THEY NEED A SPECIAL USE FOR IT==. SO THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF SPECIAL USES AND THE NEXT OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT GOVERNS THEM. THERE ARE A LOT OF ELEMENTS INVOLVED HERE. THERE ARE FOUR FOR THE SPECIAL USE THAT MUST BE MET. AND I PARSED EACH ONE OF THEM OUT TO SHOW YOU HOW THEY'VE ALL BEEN MET.

SO THIS IS RAY FIRST ELEMENT OF THE FOUR.

THE RED HIGHLIGHTED LANGUAGE ON THE LEFT IS THE PERTINENT PART.

THE SPECIAL USE FOR ASSESS RI PACKAGE LIQUOR SALES FOR OFF-SITE CONSUMPTION CAN BE GRANTED WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TOTE PUBLIC GOOD OR IMPAIRMENT OF THE INTENT OR PURPOSE OF THE CODE OR THE COMP PLAN.

THE SITE IS LOCATED IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO AND OPERATED BY PUBLIX DURING THEIR NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS WITH AN ATTACHED WHAT'S CALLED AN IN-LINE STOREFRONT THAT HAS PROTOCOL -- WILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY 1400 SQUARE FEET.

THE USE IS ALLOWABLE IN MIXED USE AND IN CI ZONING.

THE SITE HAS CONTROLLED DIRECT ACCESS FROM STATE ROAD TWFNT 7 AND BRINKHOFF ROAD AND ALL DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE SITE IS PERMITTED AND WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CODE AND IN FACT IT'S ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS A SECOND ELEMENT.

THE USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE CI DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE AREA. THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY IN PLACE TO SERVE THE TREATY OAKS MARKLE PLACE WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE NAME THAT OF SHOPPING PLAZA.

IT'S JEANTSZ TO PUBLIX JUDICIARY STORE WHICH IS ALREADY LICENSED TO SELL LESS THAN 14% ALCOHOL BY VOLUME ABV BUT UNDER FLORIDA LAW TO SELL ALCOHOL OVER 14% ABV REQUIRES A SPHRAT ACCESS AND A SEPARATE STORE FOR AN SACHS RI PACKAGELY, STORER.

THE SUP PROVIDES A SKIREABLE CONVENIENCE FOR CUSTOMERS IN AN ADDITIONAL PURCHASE LOCATION FOR THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY.

IT ALLOWS THE CONTINUANCE OF PUBLIX'S NEW AND SUCCESSFUL STORE PATTERN TO ACCOMPANY THEIR SUPERMARKET WITH FULL SERVICE LIQUOR STORES. PUBLIC HAS OVER 300 ASSOCIATED LIQUOR STORES WITH EITHER AN ADJACENT TO THE STORE OR WITHIN THE SAME SHOPPING CENTER IN MOST LOCATIONSERS AND HERE'S A LIST OF THEM IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY ALONE.

THE 300 MR. SOUTHEAST UNITED STATES.

ARE IN THE SOUTHEAST UNITED STATES.

ANDNESS ELEMENT NUMBER THREE. IF ACCESS IS PROVIDED BY AN FDOT ROAD, AND IN THIS CASE, OF COURSE, IT IS, IT IS STATE ROAD 207, IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER DEVELOPMENT WITH APPROVED CONSTRUCTION PLANS, SHOPPING CENTER PLAZA OFFERING RETAIL GOODS AND SERVICES. THE PLAN DO INCLUDE SPECIFIC DOT PERMITTED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE STATE ROAD 207 COVERING ALL ANTICIPATED SITE DEVELOPMENT, AND THIS GOES NOT GOING TO CAUSE ANY ADDITIONAL ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.

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THIS IS ELEMENT NUMBER FOUR. IT IS LISTED AS SPECIAL USE IN CI ZONING. THE THE PROPOSED USE MEETS ALL PROVISIONS OF ARTICLE 2 AND IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS ALLOWABLE IN CI ZONING. IT'S UBL LO UNDER MIXED USE COMP PLAN DESIGNATION, WILL COMPLY WITH THE CODE AND WILL MEET ALL STATE BUILDING AND FIRE CODES. SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE ZONING VARIANCE. AND THIS IS AGAIN REQUIRED FOR A LIQUOR STORE PACKAGE LIQUOR STORE FOR OFF-SITE CONSUMPTION WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF EXISTING CHURCHES.

IN THIS CASE THERE AREN'T ANY SCHOOLS OR IT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THAT AS WELL. THE 1,000-FOOT SEPARATION IS MEASURED BY THE CODE FROM PROPERTY LINES.

IN THIS CASE THERE ARE FIVE WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF THE SITE'S BOUNDARIES. A, AT THE BOTTOM, A IS THE FREEDOM WORSHIP CENTER AT 463 FEET.

B IS THE ISLAMIC CENTER OF ST. AUGUSTINE AT 453 FEET.

C IS THE FREEDOM BAPTIST CHURCH AT 640.

AND YOU CAN SEE C AND D ARE ON THE SAME SITE WHICH IS BECAUSE D IS A COQUINA COMMUNITY CHURCH AND IT'S A TENANT OF THE FREEDOM BAPTIST CHURCH, SO THEY'RE BOTH AT 640 FEET.

THEY MEET THE COQUINA CHURCH MEETS ONE TIME PER WEEK BETWEEN 4:00 AND 6:00. AND THEN E, THE TOP ONE TO THE WEST, IS THE TEMPLE BET YAM AT 640 FEET.

SO THIS IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE EXTERIOR BOUNDARIES OF THE LARGE. NOW, ON THE NEXT MAP SHOWS YOU THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE ACTUAL BUILDING, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ACTUAL DISTANCES BETWEEN THE STOREFRONT ITSELF IN THE INTERIOR OF THE PUBLIX SITE IS FAR -- THE DISTANCES ARE FAR GREATER THAN GREATER TO THE EXISTING FACILITIES OF THE CHURCHES. HERE'S A TABLE THAT SHOWS YOU THE DIFFERENCES. THE SHORTEST ONE IS THE FAMILY WORSHIP CENTER TO THE SOUTH AT 1375 FEET, AND ALL FOUR OF THE REST OF THEM ARE AT LEAST 1500 FEET.

AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT NONE OF THE FIVE CHURCHES HAVE OBJECTED. THE APPLICANT HAS REACHED OUT TO ALL FIVE OF THEM. THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT TWO HAVE RETURNED NON-OBJECTION LETTERS BUT IN FACT THERE WERE FOUR. THAT WAS JUST AN ERROR.

FOUR OF SENT IN NON-OBJECTION LETTERS OR EVEN SUPPORT LETTERS, AND THE FIFORTSDZ FIFTH ONE IS THE COULD KEEN A CHURCH THAT'S ON THERE ONCE A WEEK. THE APPLICANT DID MAKE CONTACT WITH THAT CHURCH AND THEY FELT LIKE IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE TENANTS, THEY WERE NOT IN A POSITION TO EXPRESS AN OPINION, SO THEY DIDN'T SEND ANYTHING IN WRITING, BUT THEY DID LEAVE A VOICE MAIL BACK TO THE APPLICANT SAYING THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION BUT IT WASN'T THEIR PLACE TO OPINE ON IT.

IN ANY EVENT THEY ALSO WERE NOTIFIED IN WRITING BY THE COUNTY'S NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS OF 300 FEET, AND SO AND ALSO DID NOT SEND THAT A WRITTEN NOTIFICATION.

SO NOW THE VARIANCE CRITERIA. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE QUITE A FEW ELEMENTS BUT AGAIN I PARSED THEM OUT FOR YOU SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY'VE ALL BEEN MET. THE FIRST ELEMENT IS IT'S INTO THE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

SO THERE ARE NO CHURCHES DIRECTLY ADJACENT OR IN DIRECT VISUAL LINE OF SIGHT OF THE LIQUOR STORE.

THE SITE IS PHYSICALLY SEPARATED BY WETLAND, FENCES, BUFFERS AND SCREEN WALLS. IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE GROCERY STORE WHICH IS NEAR THE CENTER OF THE SITE.

IT'S ACCESSORY IN NATURE. IT DPRAWS FROM EXISTING PATRONS SHOPPING AT THE PUBLIX AND WITHIN THE PLAZA.

IT PROVIDES A CONVENIENCE TO SHOPPERS TO YOU.

ALCOHOL WITHOUT HAVING TO TRAVEL TO THE NEAREST PACKAGE STORES A COBBLESTONE U-1 SOUTH OR KING STREET OR EVEN FURTHER AWAY IT.

PROVIDE ACCESS TO A FULL RANGE PRODUCTS TO THE PATRONS, GROCERIES, PRESCRIPTIONS,Y PREPARED FOODS, RETAILER GOODS, BEER AND WINE AND ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.

AND I ALSO OPERATES DURING THE SAME HOURS AS A GROCERY STORE.

AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE A FREESTANDING UNASSOCIATED LIQUOR STORE MIGHT HAVE MUCH LATER HOURS.

THE SECOND ELEMENT HAS SEVERAL SUBPARTS.

BY REASON OF AN EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION OR CONDITION.

IT'S MORE PRACTICAL TO OPERATE A LIQUOR STORE SERVICE GROCERY STORE PATRONS NEXT DOOR THAN TO OPERATE A STAND ALONE PUB LICKED LIQUOR STORE AT A DIFFERENT SITE THAT'S NOT WITHIN ONE THOUSAND FEET OF AN EXISTING CHURCH OR SCHOOL.

ACCESSORY LIQUOR STORES ARESIRABLE TO PUBLIX, AND YOU'LL

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AND AS A SAID, ALTHOUGH THE BOUNDARIES -- OF THE SITE FALL BETWEEN 1,000 FEET IN ALL CASES THE ACTUAL DISTANCE BETWEEN THE CHURCHILL DOWNS FAR EXCEEDS 1,000 FEET.

THEY CHOSE THIS SITE BECAUSE IT WAS AN AVAILABLE MIXED USE ALREADY ZONED CI PROPERTY OF SUFFICIENT SIZE FOR A SHOPPING CENTER APPROPRIATELY LOCATED, SO THEY DIDN'T NEED TO DO A PUD.

IT WAS ALREADY ZONED FOR THIS. THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TO SEEK THE VARIANCE. COULD HAVED REQUEST FOR A WAIVER IF THEY WERE DOING A PUD. HERE'S THE THIRD ELEMENT.

LITERAL ENFORCEMENT WOULD CAUSE HARDSHIP TO PUBLIX FROM CONTINUING ITS ESTABLISHED AND SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS MODEL THAT OPERATES ACCESSORY PACKAGE LIQUOR STORES.

AS A SAID, PUBLIX COULD LOCATE A LIQUOR STORE OUTSIDE OF THE MARKETPLACE FURTHER AWAY ON 207 TO GAIN THE LINEAR FEET BUT THAT WOULD DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF AN ASSESS RI STORE AND THE CONVENIENCE TO ITS PATRONS. IN ADDITION, LIKELY THERE ARE EXISTING CHURCHES OR SCHOOLS WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF NEARLY ALL AVAILABLE DEVELOPMENTABLE SITES ALONG THIS 207 CORRIDOR WHERE THEY WANT TO BE LOCATED THAT WOULD PILL PUBLIX'S MARKET AREA DEMAND. AND IT WOULD RESULT IN AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE OF A UTLEY FUTURE GROCERY ANCHORED LIQUOR STORE IN THE BINSHIP PUD WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET UP 207 THAT ALREADY HAS A WAIVER FOR ANOTHER GROCERY STORE CHAIN TO COME IN. IT HAS THE EXACT SAME WAIVER, AND IN FACT, TO ONE OF THE EXACT SAME CHURCHES, SO THAT WOULD GIVE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. NOW STILL PART OF THE THIRD ELEMENT. THE HARDSHIP IS NOT DUE TO THE LOSS OF PROSPECTIVE PLOTS OF. THE DISTANCE FROM THE CHURCH REQUIREMENT WILL CAUSE HARM TO PUBLIC BY CAUSING INABILITY TO OPERATE UNDER ITS ESTABLISH BUSINESS MODEL OF 300 OR MORE STORES. IT'S NOT A LOSS OF PROSPECTIVE 3R069S BUT THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF ORDINARY ANTICIPATED PATRONAGE OF ITS ADJACENT GROCERY STORE DUE TO K34ERSZ DESIRING A ONE STOP SHOPPING CENTER TO OBTAIN ALL THEIR NEEDS IN ONE LOCATION.

AND AGAIN, IT GIVES AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO BINSHIP AND OTHER GROCERY STORES AND PUDS THAT ALREADY HAVE THESE WAIVERS.

AND THE HARDSHIP UNDER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ARTICLE 12 HAS A DEFINITION. THE HARDSHIP, ONE ELEMENT IS IT'S NOT CREATED BY AN ACT OF THE OWNER.

THE HARDSHIP IS CREATED BY REQUIREMENT OF CODE FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND VARIANCE FOR ALCOHOL SALES WITHIN CI ZONING. AND WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF CHURCHES OR SCHOOLS. AND I SAID THE SITE ALREADY HAD PUD ZONING. NO PUD WAS REQUIRED THAT COULD HAVE REQUESTED A WAIVER SO WE'RE REQUESTING INSTEAD THE VETERINARIAN. HARDSHIP HAS THREE ELEMENTS.

PECULIAR TO A PARTICULAR PROPERTY, AND IT IS IN THIS CASE BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF EXISTING CHURCH BOUNDARIES BUT NOT WITHIN 1 1,000 FEET OF THE CHURCH FACILITIES. IT'S INTO THE GENERAL TO THE AREA OR NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES BECAUSE IT'S SPECIFIC TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY ONLY. IT'S NOT CAUSED BY AN ACTION OR A CHARACTERISTIC OF THE OWNER OR USER.

IN THIS CASE IT'S CAUSED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENT FOR DISTANCE SEPARATION FROM CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS. SO THIS IS THE LAST ELEMENT.

IT'S NOT CONTRARY TO -- THE CODE BECAUSE IT IS CYTES A APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THIS PACKAGE STORE.

THE THE CODE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS SOUPS AND VARIANCES TO BE GRANTED FOR LIQUOR STORES WHERE APPROPRIATE.

IN CI CI ZONING AND THE MOST INTENSE LAND USE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT ENVISIONS HIGH INTENSITY USES THAT TYPICALLY DO INCLUDE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES.

THIS IS AN IN-LINE RETAIL SPACE ADJACENT TO OTHER SMALL ATTACHED RETAIL SPACES IN SIMILAR SHOPPING PLAZAS THAT SHARE THE SAME COMMON AREAS THAT WILL NOT INCREASE CONGESTION ON PUBLIC STREETS, DANGER FIRE OR SAFETY OR OTHER HAZARDS TO THE PUBLIC.

IT WON'T DIMINISH PROPERTY VALUES OR ALTER THE ESSENTIALY, CAST AREA. IT IS ONLY NEEDED BECAUSE THE

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THE PUBLIX SITE ITSELF IS IN RED, AND THE NEXT ONE IS GOIGHT SHOW YOU, IT'S AN UP CLOSE AND IT SHOWS YOU IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT, LIGHT THIS 3 THAT SAYS GROCER LIQUOR 1400 SQUARE FEET.

THESE APPROVED SITE PLANS THAT ARE RIGHT NOW FUND CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THIS ONE, YOU CAN SEE A VERY LARGE WETLAND BEHIND IT THAT IS BUFFERING AT LEAST FOUR OF THOSE CHURCHES AND EVERYTHING ELSE FROM THIS SHOPPING CENTER. THIS IS A PICTURE THAT'S COMIC COME ALONG EVEN SINCE THEN, BUT UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THERE'S THE PUBLIC U. PUBLIX AND RIGHT IS THERE IS THE IN-LINE LIQUOR STORE ADJACENT TO IT. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW THAT ALSO SHOWS YOU THE BUFFERING. YOU CAN SEE THE WETLAND AT THE TOP BEHIND IT. AND THIS IS A VERY LARGE, TALL OPAQUE WHITE FENCE SEPARATING THE RESIDENCES FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER. AND THERE'S ANOTHER AERIAL STREW THAT REALLY SHOWS THE WETLAND THAT ARE BUFFERING IT.

AND SO IN SUMMARY, THE SPECIAL USE ALLOWS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES GREATER THAN 14% ABV.

THE ASSESS RI PACKAGE SALES ARE COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE USES ON-SITE AND SURROUNDING ADJACENT USES.

THE ALLOWABLE SHOPPING CENTER USES WILL BE ABLE TO COEXIST IN RELATIVE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER IN A STABLE FASHION OVER TIME.

YOU'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE. IT'S AN INDICATOR OF COMPATIBILITY. NO USE OR CONDITION WILL UNDULY NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE OTHER OR THE ADJACENT USES.

GRANTING SPECIAL USE ALLOWS A NEEDED USE AND BUSINESS ACTS OF THAT SERVE THE COMMUNITY. AND IF USE IS CONSISTENT WFT THE COMP PLAN, THE CODE AND OVERALL DEVELOPMENT TREND THE IN AREA.

NOW THE VARIANCE SUMMARY. IT APPROVES AN EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION AND ALLOWS A RELAX AIBLG AUGS OF THE TERMS OF THE ROAD CODE TO ALLOW ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES ADJACENT TO THE GROCERY STORE ANCHOR WITHINTY COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A VARIETY OF USES.

THE SITE LAYOUT, PHYSICAL SEPARATION, NATURAL BUFFERS AND ACTUAL DISOONSZ TO THE CHURCH FACILITIES ASSURES THE NEED CONFRONTATION FROM THE CHURCHES, PREVENTS UNFAIR COMPETITION, AND ALLOWS PUBLIX TO CONTINUE ITS NEW BUSINESS MODEL.

IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SPIRIT, INTENT, OBJECTIVES AND PURPOSE OF THE CODE, WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTERESTS, WILL NOT JEOPARDIZE THE HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA OR THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.

SO 2 THAT, WE'RE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ON ITEMS 6 AND 7 DO ANY OF THE AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DECLARE? DO ANY OF THE AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD FROM TOM HER RER A, THE APPLICANT.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S THE APPLICANT.

HE ERRONEOUSLY FILLED IT OUT. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO NO QUESTIONS SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOT

NUMBER 6 MS. PERKINS. >> ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION.

SHOULD WE TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER 7, THE SPECIAL USE, BEFORE THE

ZONING VARIANCE OR -- NO. >> MECHANICALLY IT DOESN'T MATTER. YOU CAN PASS ONE AND NOT THE OTHER AND IF YOU WANTED TO TABLE ONE TO DO ONE BEFORE THE OTHER TO SEE HOW THE VOTE GOES WEEK YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT IT WON'T

MATTER ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING SAIRNS WANT TO 14 TREATY OAKS MARKETPLACE BASED UPON FIVE CONDITIONS AND FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY MS. Y DR. HILSENBECK P.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTR THE VOTE THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0.

[8. MINMOD 2022-02 Hagy Pool (3271 Old Barn Road).]

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 7. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE MER IT. IMAGINE 2022-06 TREATY OAKS MARKETPLACE BASED UPON EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT FOR

11 CONDITIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS. SECOND BY MR. PETER.

ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S HE HAVE HAVE MOO ON TO ITEM NUMBER 8, MS. WERLING.

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RESPECT TO ITEM NUMBER 8? >> I LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO ANYBODY BUT I DRIVE BY IT ALL THE TIME.

>> HI I'M JOHN CARLTON WITH POOLS FOR JOHN CLARKSON WE'RE HEPTING THE HAGYS TO LIVE AT 32 VUN OLD BARN ROAD WEST.

WE ARE REQUESTING A MINOR MODIFICATION TO ALLOW REAR YARD SETBACK OF 7 FEET 6 INCHES IN LIEU OF THE 20-FOOT REQUIREMENT.

>> SPEAKER: SIR. >>> MA WE'RE GOING TO NEED YOUR

ADDRESS. >> SPEAKER: WIEM IN POOLS BRI JOHN CLARKSON 600 NLS ST. JOHN PINE BLUFF NORTH 32225.

>> MR. MATOVINA: FOR FOR INTERRUPTING YOUSOME BUT, YES, WE'RE REQUESTING A MARIN MODIFICATION TO ALLOW REAR YARD SETBACK OF 7 FEET 6 INCHES IN LIEU OF THE 20-FOOT RRMT TO ACCOMMODATE THE PLACEMENT OF A SPA AND SCREEN ENCLOSURE TO AN EXISTING POOL. THERE IS A CURRENT POOL, DECK AND SCREEN THAT IS NOW 14 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.

I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF AERIAL VIEWS.

THIS PROPERTY IS IN SAWGRASS COUNTRY CLUB.

THE PURPLE AREA HERE IS THE ACTUAL PROPERTY ITSELF, SO YOU'RE SEEING THE CURRENT OR EXISTING POOL AND SCREEN ENCLOSURE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE PURPLE LINE ON THE WATER SIDE IS THE PULL PROPERTY LINE.

YOU WILL SEION THE PROPERTY LINE THERE WAS A BULKHEAD PUT IN YEARS AGO FOR A NUMBER OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WAS BACKFILLED AND IS CURRENTLY MAINTAINED BY ALL THOSE OWNERS.

THIS IS AN AERIAL SHOWING A NUMBER OF POOLS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE ALL WITHIN THE 20-FOOT SETBACK.

A NUMBER OF THESE ARE RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE OR IN SOME CASES CROSSING OVER THE PROPERTY LINE DUE TO THE BULKHEAD AND THE EXTRA ANYWHERE FROM 5 TO 10 FEET PAST THE PROPERTY LINE THAT THESE OWNERS MAINTAIN, SO -- THE EXISTING POOL WAS BUILT BEFORE THE 20-FOOT SETBACK WAS INSTALLED.

THE EXISTING DECK AND SCREEN AREA IS VERY LIMITED.

AT TIMES ALMOST UNSAFE. WE HAVE 2 TO 3 FEET OF WALKING SPACE. IF THERE'S CHILDREN OR PETS, LITERALLY YOU CAN ALMOST FALL IN TRYING TO WALK AROUND THE POOL.

LIKE I MENTIONED, THE PROPERTY FEELS LIKE THERE'S A LOT MORE SPACE THAN THE ACTUAL SURVEY SHOWS OF WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS, AND AGAIN, A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS HAVE BUILT WITHIN THIS 20-FOOT SETBACK. THIS IS A TWO DIMENSIONAL DURANGO DRAWING SHOWING THE EXISTING POOL AND THE SCREEN AND THE DECK AREA. LET'S SEE NICK GET THIS -- BUT THE DOUBLE LINE AT THE VERY TOP IS THE CURRENT BULKHEAD ON THE PROPERTY. THERE'S ABOUT 10 FEET FROM THE BULKHEAD TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THE REAR PROPERTY LINE THERE THAT IS GRASS MAINTAINED BY THE OWNER.

YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW THAT WE'RE ASKING TO ENCROACH ON, SO AGAIN, CURRENTLY THE EXISTING DECK AND SCREEN ARE 14 FEET OFF. WE'RE ASKING FOR ABOUT 6-1/2 FEET TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL AREA AND INSTALL A SPA TO THE POOL. GOING BACK HERE, OF NOTE, THIS PLAN, AS-IS, WAS APPROVED BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE SUBMITTED THAT WITH OUR PACKET BUT I DO HAVE THAT HERE, AND WE CAN EMAIL THAT TO PUT AS PART OF OUR PACKET IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE THAT.

ALSO, SIX NEIGHBORS CLOSE BY ALL SENT US LETTERS IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION. THESE ARE SOME IMAGES OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO. AGAIN, PUTTING THE SPA BEHIND THE POOL WITH SOME ADDITIONAL DECK AREA TO ALLOW SOME SEATING AND SOME SPACE TO BE AROUND THAL POOL AND ENJOY IT.

WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS AGAIN SHOWING THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE

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AGAIN WE'RE COMING ABOUT 6-1/2 FEET CLOSER TO THE WATER, ABOUT WHERE THAT LA GUST TROM TREE IS RIGHT THERE, AND AGAIN STILL ALLOWING PLENTY OF SPACE BETWEEN THE WATERWAY.

THIS IS THE CURRENT POOL AS-IS AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE CONCERNS AROUND THE BACK SIDE OF THE POOL WHERE WE HAVE 3 FEET AND LESS THAN 2 FEET BEHIND THE FOUNTAIN AREA.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I MOVE WE APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATION 2022-02, THE HAGY POOL, 3271 OLD BARN ROAD, REQUEST FOR MINOR

[9. MINMOD 2022-04 248 Clearwater Drive]

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND BY MR. PETER. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. OKAY.

THAT MOWING PASSES 6-0. LET'S GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER 9.

THE EXPERIENCES. SPENCERS. THANK YOU FOR BEING SO PATIENT.

NOT THAT YOU HAD MUCH CHOICE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M MARGARET SPENCER AND 24-S MY FIRSTHAND FREDERICK WE LIVE AT 248 CLEARWATER DRIVE AND WE ARE THE APPLICANTS OF MINOR MODIFICATION 20224. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THIS AFTERNOON. I THINK WE'RE STILL IN THE AFTERNOON. WE'RE HERE TODAY TO REQUEST A REDUCTION IN OUR REAR SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM 25 FEET TO 12 FEET 5 INCHES. WE RESIDE IN A PLANTATION OAKS COMMUNITY WHICH IS A PUD ON ROUTE 210 MERE THE MIKE LERS ROAD ROUND ABOUT. PLAN TAKE OAKS IS A COMMUNITY OF ABOUT 165 HOMES. OUR PROPERTY BORDERS A CONSERVATION AREA AND THER RA OF OUR PROPERTY COMPLUS A TEN FOOT CONSERVATION EASEMENT. THE PURPOSE OF OUR REQUEST IS TO BUILD AN ATTACHED, COVERED OPEN AIR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT WILL JOIN OUR EXISTING POOL DECK AND POOL ENCLOSURE AND THE BACK OF OUR HOME. WE'LL REFER TO THIS STRUCTURE IN THE PRESENTATION 1ST A PAVILION. THIS SLIDE IS THE PROPERTY SURVEY WHERE THE ARROWS SHOW THE CONS HAVING A ON THE TOP, THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND THE V SHAPE OF OUR REAR PROPERTY LINE.

SURVEY ALSO SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING POOL AND POOL DECK AND DESCREEN ENCLOSURE. -- SCREEN ENCLOSURE.

AS TO CLAIMS OF HARDSHIP, THE RELIEF REQUEST IS DUE TO THE UNIQUE TOPOGRAPHY OF OUR PROPERTY INLAND NAMELY THE 10-FOOT CONSERVATION EASEMENT AS WELL AS THE UNIQUE V SHAICHT REAR PROPERTY LINE WHICH SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASES THE DEPTH OF OUR PROPERTY. WHERE THE HOME AND POOL DEREK LOCATED. THE APPLICATION PUD ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR ACCESSORY USES TO BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE REAR AND SIDE SAID BASK BUT AT A MINIMUM OF 5 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE MUST BE MAINTAINED. OF COURSE THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE IN OUR CASE DUE TO THE 10-FOOT EASEMENT.

AS A RESULT OF THE ABOVE ATTRIBUTES WE CURRENTLY OF LIMITATIONS ON THE USE OF OUTDOOR SPACES.

THIS SLIDE IS THE SITE PLAN AND SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED PAVILION. AS DRAWN, THE PROPOSED PAVILION WILL ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING POOL DECK AND SCREEN ENCLOSURE AND THE EXISTING HOUSE. THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THE PROPOSED 12-FOOT 5-INCH REAR SET TBOOCT PAVILION TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE AS WELL AS THE PAVILION IN RECTAL TO THE 10-FOOT CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND CONSERVATION AREA.

BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LOT WE HAVE MORE PROPERTY DEPTH ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAN IN THE CENTER OF THE HOME WHERE THE HOME AND POOL ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED. THERE ARE SEVERAL KEY REASONS WE BELIEVE SUPPORT THE VARIANCE REQUEST WHICH WE WILL TRY TO QUICKLY COFORT ON NEXT FEW SLIDES.

FIRSTLY, RELATIVE TO YABLGHT ON THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT THERE WILL BE NONE AS THE 10-FOOT EASEMENT WILL BE 345EU7B9D.

THERE'S ALSO NO IMPACT ON THE CONTIGUOUS CONSERVATION AREA.

AND IMPORTANTLY NO TREES WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LOT TO BUILD THE STRUCTURE. AND IN ADDITION, LOCATING IT AS PROPOSED WILL FACILITATE THE ALIGNMENT OF THE REAR OF THE

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3. A SECOND REASON IS THE LIMITED IMPACT ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

THE HOVMENT HOAS DHIEWCIALG REVIEW COMMITTEE APPROVED THE PROJECT AS INDICATED IN A LETTER OF APPROVAL PROVIDED A PART OF THE APPLICATION. THEIR APPROVAL WAS CONTINGENT UPON OBTAINING SIGNED ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND INPUT FROM OUR NEIGHBORS. OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS WHICH WERE RECEIVED AND PROVED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION.

WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH BOTH ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, NEITHER WHOM EXPRESSED CONCERNS WITH THE PROPOSED 3568ION.

AND AS NOTED, NO TREES OR FOLIAGE WILL BE REMOVED, THUS PRIVACY AND CONSERVATION OF EXISTING TREES AND FOLIAGE WILL BE MAINTAINED. WE ALSO UNTDZ NO OBJECTIONS WERE RECEIVED BY THE AGENCIES PLAILINGS TO NEIGHBORS WITHIN THREE HUNDRED FEET OF OUR PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE VIEW FROM OUR NEIGHBOR ON THE LEFT WEST OF OUR HOME. THEY HAVE THE CLOSEST PROXIMITY AND MOST VISIBILITY TO THE PROPOSED PAVILION.

T AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO HOMES. THIS IS THE VIEW FROM AND TO OUR OTHER NEIGHBOR'S HOME ON THE RIGHT OF US OR EAST OF OUR HOME.

THIS IS SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO HOMES AND THEIR VIEW OF THE PROPOSED PAVILION IS LIMITED BY THE EXISTING POOL ENCLOSURE AND POOL DECK AS WELL AS FOLIAGE.

THIRDLY, WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF HOA AND ITS ART COMMITTEE.

THE POOL DECK ENCLOSURE WERE BUILT IN 2002, AND ZERO FOOT SETBACK FROM THE CONS HAVING A EASEMENT WAS APPROVED BY THE ERECT AT THAT TIME. IN OUR SITUATION A CONUNDRUM OF CIRCUMSTANCES APPEARS TO EXIST IN THAT THE PUD ON THE OTHER HAND ALLOWS FOR A 5-FOOT SETBACK FOR ACCESSORY USES.

IF WE WERE MERELY EXTENDING THE POOL DECK TO THE WEST WHERE 2 PROPOSED PAVILION IS PLANNED, THE 5-FOOT SETBACK NOT BE REQUIRED AND IF THE PAVILION WERE A DETACHED A 3-FOOT SETBACK WOULD BE POLITICAL. HOWEVER IN EACH OF THESE SCENARIOS A 10-FOOT CONSERVATION EASEMENT MUST BE CONSTRUCTED AND IT LIMITS WHAT CAN BE DONE. FURTHER, THE HOA APPROVED THE PROPOSED PAVILION BASED UPON MULTIPLE SITE VITSZ 1 PLAN REVIEW AND NEIGHBOR INPUT UP THEY FULLY AS -- AS NOTED EARLIER THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AS A PUD.

THIS NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE PROPERTY AS RESIDENTIAL B. THE FOURTH REASON STOW BE LESS RESTRICT INITIATIVE USE AND ENJOYMENT OF OUTDOOR SPACES.

OUR HOME WAS BUILT IN 2002. IT HAS A VERY SMALL COVERED LANAI AREA THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE.

AND OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS OUR FAMILY HAS GROWN, AND NOW IT IS VERY LARGE FOR GATHERINGS AND HOLIDAYS AND SPECIAL OCCASIONS, AND, OF COURSE, IF THE PANDEMIC TAUGHT US ANYTHING, IT WAS A DEEPER APPRECIATION FOR FAMILY TIME, GREAT OUTDOORS AND THE BEAUTY OF THE CONSERVATION AREA. WE'RE VERY BLESSED TO HAVE THE BEAUTIFUL CONSERVATION BEHIND US.

DURING THE PANDEMIC WE WERE LIMITED IN GATHERING SAFELY WITH OUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND RECOGNIZE --

>> ARE YOU OKAY? >> SPEAKER: MY MOM DIED DURING

THAT PERIOD. >> MR. MATOVINA: TAKE YOUR

TIME. >> SPEAKER: THIS IS A PICTURE OF OUR CURRENT COVERED SPACE WHICH IS VERY PLIMENTD IN SIZE.

-- LIMITED IN SIZE THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE LOCATION OF PROPOSED PAVILION. AGAIN, THE PAVILION WILL ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING POOL DECK AND THE SIDE OF THE HOME.

AND THE FAMILY ROOM WILL OPEN UP INTO THE PAVILION.

THE PAVILION WILL BE OPEN TO THE POOL AND THE POOL DECK.

THESE ARE ADDITIONAL VIEWS OF LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED PAVILION. LASTLY, THE REQUESTED VARIANCE WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO OUR COMMUNITY'S INTEREST OR PUBLIC INTEREST NOR CONTRARY TO THE PIRT SPIRIT AND PURPOSE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

FINALLY, THE PICTURE AT LEFT IS FACING OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST FROM THE EXISTING POOL DECK AND PICTURE ON THE RIGHT AS THE STREET VIEW OF THE LOCATION OF THE PLANNED PAVILION.

IN CONCLUSION, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF THE SETBACK VARIANCE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION THIS AFTERNOON. WE'RE HAPPY TO RESPOND TO ANY

QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

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>> MR. PETER: I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT.

THIS SAYS IT'S A MINOR MODIFICATION OF THE SAWGRASS PUD. IS THAT CORRECT? EVEN THOUGH IT'S PLANTATION OAKS?

>> SPEAKER: IT'S NOT. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE'LL GET THAT CORRECTED.

THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND ALL THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE ORDER IS

CORRECT. >> MR. PETER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY MORE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY SPEAKER CARDS? WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A

MOTION. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I MOVE WE APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATION 2022-04, 248 CLEARWATER DRIVE,

[10. MAJMOD 2022-03 W.R. Townsend PUD]

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND BY MR. PETER. ANY DISCUSSION IN LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 10, MS. SMITH.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DECLARE FOR ITEM NUMBER 10? MS. SMITH MUST HAVE HAD THE FIRST PART OF THIS WEEK OFF. 3.

>> ELLEN AVERY-SMITH: GOOD AFTERNOON, GOING ON EVENING, MR. FOR THE RECORD, I HAVEN'T HAD THE WEEK OFF.

I JUST FIGURED HOPEFULLY THIS IS EASY ENOUGH THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH IT IN A FEW MINUTES AND YOU CAN MOVE ALONG SO YOU CAN GO HOME. FOR THE RECORD, ELLEN ELLEN ROGERS FOURS 1 PUN WHETSTONE PLACE, ST. AUGUSTINE, AND THIS, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A WHILE, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THE W.R. TOWNSEND PUD.

MR. TOWNSEND IS NOT HERE TODAY AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN HIS FAMILY FOR DECADES, AND NOW IS IN A TRUST FOR THE BENEFIT HIS FAMILY.

JUST TO ORIENT YOU A LITTLE BIT, MR. TOWNSEND HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS IN THE SOUND TOWNSEND PUD AND THIS ADJACENT LAND IN CUMBERLAND INDUSTRIAL PARK.

THIS LAND AND THESE TWO FRONT PARCELS IN CUMBERLAND.

HE'S OPERATED BASICALLY A SCRAP METAL CONCRETE CRUSHING, ALL OF THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY BECAUSE HE'S A BUILDING CONTRACTOR SINCE BEFORE ALL THIS GROWTH CAME OUT ON COUNTY RADIOED 2 2-7B PANE OUT THERE DOING HIS THING, AND THAT'S WHY THE USES ARE ALLOWED ON THIS PROPERTY AND THE CUMBERLAND INDUSTRIAL PARK.

THEY HAVE BEEN MORE INDUSTRIAL-RELATED FOR YEARS, AND SO AS THIS AREA HAS TRANSITIONED, WE HAVE MODIFIED HIS PUDS TO ADD MORE COMPATIBLE USES AS BEACH WALK AND OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DEVELOPED, NOCATEE AND ALL OF THAT OUT THERE. OBVIOUSLY, THE NATURE OF THIS COMMUNITY OR THIS AREA OF COUNTY HAS TRANSITIONED.

SO THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS AND HAS BEEN FOR MANY YEARS MIXED USE DISTRICT. THE ZONING HAS BEEN PUD, AND THESE TWO DIFFERENT PUDS FOR PROPERTY HE OWNS FOR MANY YEARS.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MODIFY AN 11-YEAR-OLD ORDINANCE WE GOT FOR HIS PROPERTY TO BASICALLY ADD OUTDOOR DISPLAYS. HE HAS A POOL CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR THAT IS USING HIS EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S BEEN ON THAT PROPERTY FOR DECADES FOR A POOL CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.

AND THIS CONTRACTOR WANTS TO BUILD A LITTLE MINI POOLS OUT FRONT ALONG COUNTY ROAD 210 SO THAT PEOPLE CAN COME BY AND SEE EXAMPLES OF THE KINDS OF LARGER POOLS THAT HE IS CAPABLE OF CONSTRUCTING. SO WE HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF AND TO GET THE OUTDOOR DISPLAY AREA, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU THE LOCATION OF, APPROVED AS PART OF THIS THE WHOLE EVOLUTION OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEN TO UPDATE THE PHASE-IN DATES FOR THE ENTIRE PUD.

SO THOSE ARE THE CHANGE. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE HISTORIC MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THE -- BECAUSE WE BASICALLY JUST REVISED THE HISTORIC PUD IN THE FORMAT THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2011. WE'VE ALSO JUST MODIFIED THIS 2011 PLAN, AND THE OUTDOOR DISPLAY AREA LITERALLY WILL BE RIGHT HERE. AND IF YOU DRIVE OR DID YOU DROVE BY THIS, YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THE LITTLE MINI POOLS THAT ARE UNDER TRUCKS CONSTRUCTION NOW.

THEY'VE GOTTEN BUILDING PERMITS, AND SO THIS MODIFICATION IS DO ALLOW NOT HAVING BERMING AND OF THE ZO DIFFERENTLY THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO ALLOW A

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THIS IS A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS YOU, YOU SEE AGAIN THE LITTLE WATER FEATURES OR MINI POOLS I CALL THEM, THE LANDSCAPING, THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO LET SHOPPERS GO AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE POOLS MIGHT LOOK LIKE, GET SOME IDEAS FOR SPAS BE WITH LANDSCAPING, SCREENING, ALL OF THAT. YOU SEE PROPOSED BERMING AND LANDSCAPING ALONG COUNTY ROAD 210 AND THEN HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

AND AGAIN, THE POOL GUY, HE'S OPERATING HIS BUSINESS AT THIS SITE RIGHT NOW AND WOULD LIKE TO FINISH UP THESE OUTDOOR DISPLAYS SO HE CAN MAKE HIS BUSINESS MORE SUCCESSFUL.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF

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>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. SMITH? ANY SPEAKER CARDS? BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR MOD 2022-03 W.R. TOWNSEND PUD BASED UPON SIX FINDING FACT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS.

SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 11, MRE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DEGAIR WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER 11?

SEEING NONE, MR. GARCIA. >> MARGARET SPENCER: GOOD

EVENING, >> MY NAME IS MAX GAR YEAH MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP 7 WALDO STREET 378 I'M HERE ENT FROMMING ON BLAF OFF YOU ARE STWMENT CLOUD VIEW INVESTMENTS, MR. ARNOLD DID NOT BE HERE HOWEVER I'M AUTHORIZED TO ANSWER IF I QUESTIONS YOU HAVE REGARDING THE PROPOSED.

SO TO GIVE AUN IDEA OF THE LOCATION FOR THE PROPOSED REZONING, WE ARE ALONG EELD MOULTRIE ROAD WITH THE TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE OUR FPL SERVICE STATION, 207.

OFF TO THE LEFD THE WINN-DIXIE PLAZA APPROXIMATELY A SIRVEGHTD A MILE JUST NORTH OF HERE. THE ST. AUGUSTINE INJURIES DUCTIONAL BOUNDARY IS RIGHT AROUND A PERHAPS HOE AVENUE RIGHT HERE. AND THEN ABOUT ANOTHER QUARTER NILE IN A STRAIGHT LINE TO THE TARGET PLAZA.

SO THE CURRENT ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY HAS A COMBINATION OF A FEW. THE PRIMARY ONE BEING THE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT ALONG 2 THE RS THREE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT AND RG, A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THIS PROPERTY IS WHOLLY LOCATED WITHIN A MIBLGDZ USE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

THE PROPOSED ZONING IS CW, COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE.

PRIMARY REASONING FOR THIS IS WHAT I LIKE TO DESCRIBE AS A EMERGENCIER BETWEEN THE PERMITTED USES AND THE CI AND IW ZONING DESIGNATIONS. JUST ADJACENT THE TO NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY IS AN IW ZONING DESIGNATION WITH SOME INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT ON IT. A FEW TWHAIRSZ.

AND THEY ONLY PERMIT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES.

THE CI ZONING DESIGNATION PERMITS A PLETHORA OF ZONING DESIGNATIONS. IT IS A HIGHER INTENSITY USE FOR COMMERCIAL USES. THE CW DOES NOT ALLOW MOST COMMERCIAL USES. IT ONLY ALLOWS HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USES. SO IT IS LIMITING SOME COMMERCIAL USES IN THIS INSTANCE BUT ALSO ALLOWING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES WHICH ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED TO THE NORTH. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS ZONING PROPOSAL AS A MESH BETWEEN THOSE TWO ITEMS. I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT THIS CORRIDOR IS -- I WILL GO BACK TO THE AERIAL TO GIVE AIR BETTER IDEA.

OLD MOLE RI ROAD FROM 207 TO 312 IS A VARIETY OF USES.

FARTHER SOUTH WE HAVE OUR COMPLEX FIELD.

WE HAVE STRIP DEVMENTD FARTHER SOUTH.

WE HAVE SOME OF TWHAIRSZ WITHIN PUDS FARTHER SOUTH.

WE DO HAVE LIGHT FAMILY DEVELOPMENT HERE.

AND THEN A MULTITUDE OF CI ZONED PROPERTIES AND USES MEL NEARBY THE PROPERTY. SO THIS CORRIDOR IS SUITED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS A VARIETY AND GERSTY OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO MOVING FORWARD, YOU ALL MAY REMEMBER A FEW MONTHS AGO A VACATION APPLICATION DID COME BEFORE THIS BOARD. IT WAS REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

THIS PAST MEETING ON JUNE 7TH THEY WERE APPROVED AT BCC AND THEY VACATED APPROXIMATELY .24 ACRES IN ORDER TO ALLOW-FOR-THIS PORTION TO BE DEVELOPED -- ALLOW FOR THIS PORTION TO BE DEVELOPED. WE WILL BE UTILIZING THEE

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THIS IS THE CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

IT MIGHT CHANGE. HOWEVER, THE IDEA IS THAT BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE INTENT OF CLIENT, IS THAT IT THAN THE WOULDN'T BE GREATER THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET.

IT TWO HAVE TO COMPLY WALL LDC REQUIREMENTS REGARDING PARKING, SETBACKS AND THOSE ARE CURRENTLY BEING MET HERE.

WE SHOW BUFFERS ALONG THE NORTHERN AND EASTERN BOUNDARY AS WELL AS 20-FOOT INCOMPATIBILITY BUFFERS ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY AND SOUTHERN BOUNDARY TO APPROPRIATELY ACCOMMODATE THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES NEAR BY. THIS IS ON THE CORNER LOT SO WE DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE DESIGN ALONG THIS LOCAL STREET AND, OF COURSE, WE HAVE OLD MOULTRIE AS THE MAIN ACCESS POINT YOU. DUE TO THE SIZE OF THIS LOT, WE ARE ENGINEERED TO INTEND ON USING UNDERGROUND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TO COLLECT STORM WATER.

JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA, THESE ITEMS WERE UPDATED FROM THE STAFF -- SORRY -- FROM THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SPREADSHEET THAT WAS UPDATED ON APRIL 12 PRIOR TO SUBMITTAL, SO SOME OF THE NUMBERS IN THE STAFF REPORT MAY NOT BE ACCURATE TO WHAT I HAD SUBMITTED, HOWEVER, I DID GO THROUGH AND GET DWRUP DATED NUMBERS.

THE OLD MOULTRIE ROAD IS CURRENTLY AT AN 80% UTILIZATION RATE. THIS PROT PROJECT DOES NOT -- WILL HAVE LOW PEAK HOURS AND WOULD NOT RESULT IN OLD MOLE RI ROAD CAN ABOUTING A EXRIBLG OR DEEFFICIENTLY LINK.

TAKING INTO, CAN SOME OF THE OTHER ROUTE IS AS THIS PROPERTY IS AN EXCELLENT LOCATION IN TERP TRAVEL IN ANY CARD NAME DIRECTION YOU CAN TAKE OLD MOULTRIE HIGHWAY TO GO TO US-1 AS WELL AS 207 VERSUS HAS AING THE VERY QUICKLY SEE.

AS FAR AS TRAFFIC CONCERNS ON 111 AND 121, 111 HAS A 50% UTILIZATION RATE CURRENTLY, AND 121 HAS A 76.5%.

THAT IS FROM THE MOST UPDATED TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS SPREADSHEET. FINALLY, THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY, PANORAMIC. IT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY CLEARED.

AND IT ALREADY HAS FENCES THERE READY FOR DEVELOPMENT.

THE SITE IS PART OF THE 20-FOOT COMPATIBILITY BUFFER, DOES NOT REQUIRE A FENCE BUT DOES REQUIRE PLANTINGS.

AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THEY WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT 20-FOOT INCOMPATIBILITY BUFFER.

I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE POILDZ AND DOES PROMOTE INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND YOUR LOCAL ECONOMY.

THE PROPOSED REZONING IS CONSISTENT AND SUITEDDABLE FOR THIS OORLTD CORRIDOR AND WE ARE REQUESTING YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO BCCS. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

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THEM. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, ANY SPEAKER CARDS? TBHAK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO ROOM APPROVAL REZONING TWIEWN 42 OLD MOULTRIE BASED UPON FOUR

FINDINGS OF FACT. >> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE GOT A RECOMMENDATION FROM MS. PERKINS FOR APPROVAL.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0. ITEM NUMBER 12, MR. POTTS.

IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER 12? YOU'VE GOT THE FLOOR, MR. POTTS BRIENCHTS MY NAME IS BRYAN POTTS, TAM DESIGN TWI 5 OLDER THAN, FLORIDA. I'M HERE WITH PHILLIP HOLLIS WITH THE DEVELOPER AND HE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO DO THE

PRESENTATION IF THAT'S OKAY. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. HOLLIS YOU WILL NEED TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD,

ALSO. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

PHILLIP HOLL I'M A PRINCIPAL WITH FLAG STHIP COMPANIES GROUP.

WE'RE SELF-STORAGE DEVELOPERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

MR. CHAIRMAN, LADY AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COMMISSION I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS EVENING AND I'LL TRY TO MOVE QUICKLY TO GET THROUGH IT, BUT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT. AND I WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR DIVEST AND REBUTTAL AT THE END. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A ZONING TO CI INSTEAD OF CG, THE CURRENTLY ZONING OF 3.61-ACRE PARCEL THAT IS LOCATED IN D ON US-1 BETWEEN ST. AUGUSTINE AND ST. AUGUSTINE SHORES AT 3260 US-1 SOUTH.

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AH, THERE IT IS. THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT IS LOCATED ON THE REAR THAT IS IN THE SAME MIXED USE LAND USE CATEGORY AS THE PROPERTY. ABOVE THE PROPERTY NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL WE HAVE AN EXISTING BOAT AND RV STORAGE FACILITY THAT IS A AFFORDABLE BOAT AND RV.

WE HAVE A CAR WASH THAT IS ADJACENT THERE ACROSS THE STREET. WE HAVE THE VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP, ST. AUGUSTINE VOLKSWAGEN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE AND THE TRACTOR SUPPLY DOWN THERE.

MOVING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CAR WASH TO THE MEXICANS RESTAURANT THERE AND COUNSELING CENTER THERE.

SO THIS PROPERTY SITS WITHIN AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ON US-1 AND THERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL MIXED -- IN THE MIXED USE DISTRICT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.

WE ARE NOT REQUESTING A FUTURE LAND USE AMOUNT OF, IN FACT, WE FIND -- AMENDMENT, THAT WOULD ASSERT THAT THE CONSISTENT THE WITH POLICIES, GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE PLAN OF STRMG AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SOME QUICK EXAMPLES WOULD BE POLICY A11, ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, WE HAVE NO FLOODPLAIN, NO PHASE, WE'RE CLEAN PHASE 1 ENVIRONMENTAL, NO THREATENED SPECIES AND SO WETLAND ON THE PROPERTY.

WE HAVE ALL THE REPORTS FOR THAT.

URBAN SPRAWL CONTROL WE'RE ON US-1.

WE ARE USING THE EXISTING UTILITIES.

AND NO SPRAWL. SURROUNDING LAND USES, AGAIN NO LAND USE CHANGE, AND WE'VE COVERED THE UNDER VOING LAND USES A1.4 HISTORICAL CHARCOAL WE DON'T HAVE ANY.

COASTAL AREAS A1.5. WE ARE -- WILL DESIGN ABOVE THE STORM SURGE AND ARE NOT IN AN IMPACT ZONE AND THIS IS A COMPT DEVELOPMENT JUST AS EXAMPLE WITH GOALS, POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN. THE EXISTING ZONING IS ALL COMMERCIAL AROUND US. CI PREDOMINANTLY WITH CG.

AS THE EXISTING ZONING. THE PROPOSED ZONING IS CI AND IS CI ABOVE AND ALL TARN AROUNDE PROPERTY.

OUR REAON FOR REQUESTING S REZONING IS SO THAT IT ZONED AB CI ALLOWS SELF-STORAGE AS A RIGHT AS OPPOSED TO A CONDITION OR SPECIAL EXCEPTION. THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN.

LET ME JUST POINT OUT A FEW. YOU CAN SEE THAT -- YOU CAN SEE THAT ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL AREA WE'RE HOLDINGS A 20-FOOT TREE BUFFER AND SAVINGS THE EXISTING TREE CANOPY.

WE HAVE DELIBERATELY PLACED OUR STORM WATER RETENTION BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND OUR OVERALL DEVELOPMENT WITH 10-FOOT BUFFERS ON THE SIDES. WHAT WE DO IS WE CREATE A COMPOUND THAT IS A SECURED COMPOUND THAT WITH BUILDINGS AND WITH RETAINING WALLS AND 8-FOOT VINYL FENCES AND SO FORTH, WE CREATE A SECURED COMPOUND AROUND THE AREA THAT ALLOWS BASICALLY A SCREEN AND A BUFFER AGAIN, EVEN THAT FAR AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. WE ALSO ALWAYS PUT OUR THREE-STORY AIR CONDITION BUILDING UP ON THE FRONT OF THE MAJOR ROADWAY. WHAT WE FIND OUT IS, IS THAT THESE MAJOR ROAD WAYS ARE NOT GOOD NEIGHBORS TO COMMUNITIES, BUT WHEN WE PUT OUR BUILDINGS EPP BETWEEN THEM AND THE COMMUNITY, THE ROAD AND THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE A SOUND AND NOISE BUFFER ACTUALLY. SELF STORAGE IS A LOW IMPACT USE. IT HAS THE LOWEST TRAFFIC GENERATION. ABOUT ONE-TENTH OF THE TRAFFIC GENERATION AS COMPARED TO 1,000 SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL.

WE'RE USING TREE PRESERVATION AND LANDSCAPING ON THE REAR LOT LINES. WE HAVE SCREEN WALLS AND LANDSCAPING AND BUILDINGS TO SCREEN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE SOUND BUFFER EFFECT.

SCREEN AND SECURED COMPOUND, INSIDE ACCESS TO OUR AIR CONDITIONED SELF STORAGE FACILITY.

THE LARGEST PART OF OUR UNITS ARE ACTUALLY ACCESSED INTERIOR TO THE BUILDING, SO THERE'S NO NOISE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, LET ME JUST SAY THAT WE USE MASONRY CONSTRUCTION ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

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SO WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY FROM CG TO CI, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

[Items 13 & 14]

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO QUESTIONS.

ARE THERE ANY SPEAK CARTH? >> MS. PERKINS: LAR NONE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2022-08 SANTIAGO STORAGE BASED

UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT. >> MR. MATOVINA: NOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS. IS THIS A SECOND.

SECOND BY MR. PETER. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. GARCIA YOU HAVE ITEMS 13 AND 14.

I GUESS WE'LL TAKE UP TOGETHER. AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE TO DECLARE WITH ITEM TO ITEM 14?

>> MARGARET SPENCER: HELLO AGAIN, PZA.

THE HAPPY TO BE COMBINING THE VERY LAST TWO ITEMS OF THIS AGENDA INTO ONE. MAX GARCIA MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP 7 WALD OH STREET I'M HERE RESTING OUR CLIENT JEFF GOOD 1 WITH COASTAL SASH AND DOOR. HE IS AVAILABLE HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING OUR PROPOSED APPLICATION. SO AS NOTED, WE ARE REQUESTING A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMOUNT OF AS WELL AS A REZONING.

-- AMENDMENT. TO GIVE AN IDEA OF YOUR LOCATION THAT THIS MAY BOOK SIMILAR TO WHAT I ALREADY PRESENTED.

WE ARE ABOUT A HALF MILE AWAY FROM THE 207 OLD MOULTRIE ROAD WHERE THE WINN-DIXIE PLAZA IS. FPL STATION IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SUBJECT PLO. AND OSES YELLOW A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS ABOUT A HALF MILE TO OSCEOLA ROAD WHERE YOU ENTER OF- [INDECIPHERABLE] THE PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO TWO LOCAL ROADS, SO IT'S GOT THREE FRONTAGES, ONE ON SAN JULIAN CIRCLE AND ANOTHER ONE ON HIGHLAND BOULEVARD AND, OF COURSE, STATE ROUTE 207. SO AS REQUESTED, OR SORRY, THE EXISTING ZONING DESIGNATION IS CI WITH CONDITIONS.

THE SINGLE CONDITION ON THIS CI DESIGNATION SENATE REAR PROPERTY LINE HAS AT 6-FOOT FENCE. AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE CLIENT DOES INTEND TO CONTINUE HAVING A 6-FOOT FENCE ALONG THE REAR PROPERTY LINE IF IT WERE TO MOVE BACK HERE.

ADDITIONALLY, BUFFERING WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BUT THAT I'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL SOON.

ADDITIONALLY THIS PROPERTY HAS RMH, RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME ZONING AND THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE FROM RMH TO CI AS WELL, SO THE WHOLE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE ONE SINGULAR ZONING DESIGNATION OF CI. THE PROPERTY IS, WE'RE ALSO QUBLG A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM RESIDENTIAL DO. TO MIXED USE DISTRICT.

IT IS CLOSE TO MIXED USE DISTRICT.

DOESN'T QUITE TOUCH ANY OF THE BOUNDARIES.

HOWEVER, THIS PROPERTY DUFTION OF AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL TWHAIRS USE AND IT SHOULD HAVE A MIXED USE DESIGNATION.

IT WAS A GUIDANCE FROM OR A DIRECTION FROM STAFF IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR A SMALL SCALE SPREFN KAPLAN AMENDMENT IN ORDER TO DOW THE EXPANSION OF A WZ BUSINESN THIS PROPERTY.

SO THE PROPOSED DESIGNATION, AS I MENTIONED, IS CI IN TOTALITY.

IT IS ADJACENT TO A PUD, WILL BE ADJACENT TO RMH TO THE NORTH AND EAST, AND THEN TO THE SOUTH IT IS OR WITH A REHAB FACILITY HERE. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS SHOWN HERE WITH THE MIXED USE DESIGNATION JUST IENDING OFF OF 207 HERE. THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THIS RESIDENTIAL D, IS AN ENTRANCE TO THE WEST KING NEIGHBORHOOD SO THIS WOULD CONTINUE MOSTLY ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH AND CONTINUES THAT WAY. SO THIS PROPERTY IS ALONG A DOOR CORRIDOR THAT IS MATURE AND DOES HANDLE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DIVERGENT SIZE PEPS THIS IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS-IS. WE ACTUALLY HAD A PRE-APP WITH FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WITH REGARDS TO THIS ACCESS TO STATE ROAD TWFNT 7 OH WE ARE FULLY AWARE THEY WE

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THE UTILITIES WOULD BE SERVED BY ACTUALLY THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. WE HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER AND IT IS NOT REPORT THAT THERE IS ACCESS TO THE UTILITY SYSTEMS. IMMEDIATELY AND ACTUALLY BASED ON THIS PROPOSED EXPANSION THERE WOULD BE A NET WATER USAGE OF ZERO BECAUSE AS PART OF THIS EXPANSION THAT WE ARE REMOVING HOMES THAT WERE IN THE BACK, SO THERE WERE RESIDENTIAL HOMES BACK HERE THAT HAVE SINCE BEEN ABANDONED, BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE LOSING THAT CONNECTION FROM WATER, IT'S A NET BENEFIT IN TERMS OF WATER.

SO LIKE I WAS EXPLAINING, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS ABOUT 4,000 SQUARE FEET. IT'S RIGHT HERE.

CAN'T BE SEEN WELL AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT BUT HERE IS THE PROPOSED EXTENSION. IT IS ABOUT 7,000 SQUARE FEET SO FOR A TOTAL OF 11,000 SQUARE FEET ON THIS PROPERTY.

ONE OF THE PRIMARY COMPONENTS OF THIS EXPANSION IS TO ALLOW FOR THIS BUSINESS OWNER TO CONTINUE HIS OPERATIONS, BUT, AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN THE HOUSING INDUSTRY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND HERE IS A E IS A WINDOW AND DOOR CONTRACTOR.

THEY OPERATE THEIR SALES AND STORAGE OUT OF THIS BUILDING.

PROPERTY RECENTLY, THEY ARE IN DIRE NEED OF STORAGE FOR THEIR 2ND AND DOOR PRODUCTS, AND THAT IS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THIS EXPANSION FOR STORAGE, AS WELL AS INCLUDING BERTHS FOR DELIVERY TRUCKS. RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.

AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THERE WOULD STHIL STILL BE A 6-FOOT FENCE ALONG THIS REAR PROPERTY LINE.

IT REQUIRES A 20-FOOT INCOMPATIBILITY BUFFER SO IT IS AN IMPROVEMENT FROM THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS CONDITION.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU MORE EXAMPLES OF COMPATIBILITY, WE HAVE ACTUALLY RECEIVED LETTERS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, MY CLIENT HAS PUT IT UPON HIMSELF TO CANVAS AND SPEAK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND MAKE SURE HIS IDEA WAS GREAT.

WE ARE STILL GOING TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE MIXED USE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS OF ISR 75 AND FAR OF 70%.

CURRENTLY WE ARE WORKING THROUGH FINALLING THIS CONCEPT PLAN, CURRENTLY WE ARE WORKING ON MAKING IT COMPLIANT WITH ALL LDC COMPLENGSAL PERIMETERS IT IS OUR BELIEF THAT WE ARE PROMOTING THE LOCAL ECONOMY AS WELL AS THE BUSINESS ECONOMY.

SORRY. THE CONTRACTOR AND BUILDER ECONOMY BY PROMOTING INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO A NEW LOCATION WITH A BIGGER TWHAIRS.

OUR CLIENT HAS A FIRM BELIEF THAT THIS IS A GREAT LOCATION FOR HIS BUSINESS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND WOULD LIKE TO JUST PROMOTE -- REQUEST THE IDEA OF EXPANDING IT.

THE CURRENT 207 TRAFFIC IMPACT WAS ALSO NOT GHOAGHT RESULT GOING TO RESULTED IN EITHER A CRITICAL OR DEFICIENT PATTERNS.

THESE NUMBERS ARE UPDATED WITH THE MOST RECENT TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SPREADSHEET SO AS A RESULT OF THE PEAK IMPACT WE EXPECT A 51.5% PEAK SERVICE VOLUME AS A RESULT OF THE EXPANSION.

SO LIKE I WAS MENTION LETTER EARLIER ABOUT THE SUPPORT LETTERS, EACH STAR YOU SEE HERE IS A NEIGHBOR WHO SUPPORTS NOT ONLY THE REZONING BUT THE SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, THE LETTERS FROM THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. SO THERE IS ONE PROPERTY OWNER OFF HIGHLAND DRIVE HERE. ONE LOT OVER, NOT THIS ONE BUT THE NEXT ONE, AND THEN THE IMMEDIATELY JEANLTS PROPERTY OWNER ON THE EASTERN PORTIO, AND THEN THE SAN JULIAN, THESE TWO PROPERTIES OFF OF SAN JULIAN HERE.

SO THREE PROPERTIES HERE AND ONE OFF HIGHLAND DRIVE.

AS NOTED, THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS IS OFF THIS SIDE AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS FOR THAT BEING IT'S WAY EASIER TO DEPRIVE A TRUCK AROUND THAT CORNER AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO WHERE THE EXISTING EXTENSION IS HERE. THERE'S A CURRENT DRIVE THAT SUPPORTS THE BUSINESS. BUDGET THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'RE POINTING TRUCKS INTO THIS VACANT PIECE OF LAND.

YES, IT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL AND IT COULD AT ONE TIME HAVE RESIDENCES ON IT, BUT STET H. AT THE TIME IT VACANT AND SEEMED TO BE A BETTER DECISION FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO HAVE TRUCKS POINTING AT A FOREST AS OPPOSED TO A FRONT DOOR.

ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY ARE OTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS SUCH AS TAYLOR REFRIGERATION AND AC ACROSS THE STREET, A FUNERAL HOME DIRECTLY SOUTH, AND THEN A AUTOMOTIVE WAIST TWHAIRS AS WELL AS STRIP MALL, MORE WAREHOUSING BY THE EVANS AUTOMOTIVE.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHAT THIS SITE LOOKS LIKE.

THIS IS ON 207 FACING NORTHEAST TOWARDS US-1 AND 207 INTERSECTION WAY UP THERE. AND YOU CAN SEE THE BEGINNING OF THAT DRIVEWAY AS WELL ON THAT LEFT SIDE OFF OF HIGHLAND BOULEVARD WHERE THEY CURRENTLY ACCESS AND COME THROUGH THE

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SO THIS IS FROM HIGHLAND LOOKING EAST, SO YOU'RE ON THE -- YOU'RE RIGHT HERE FACING IN THAT PHOTO. SO THESE ARE THE HOMES THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING. THERE ARE NO SPECIMEN TREES ON THIS PROPERTY. BUT THESE HOMES WERE THERE.

THERE IS ONE HERE THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED.

BUT THIS IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY STANDS AS.

IT IS A HALFWAY VACANT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

WE BELIEVE THIS PRESIDENT DEVELOPMENT AND REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MIXED USE DESIGNATION, AND 2 THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO AMEND FROM RESIDENTIAL D TO MIXED USE.

AND WE BELIEVE IT FITS WITH THE POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY PURSUING A MORE IMPACT DEVELOPMENT AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT, WHILE ALSO SUPPORTING THE LOCAL ECONOMY OF BUILDERS AND RESIDENTS WHO INEVITABLY WILL NEED DOORS OR WINDOWS. THE PROPOSED REZONING ALSO WE BELIEVE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND AND WE FEEL THAT THIS REZONING IS CONSISTENT AND CAPABLE OF BEING COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING AREA.

WE REQUEST APPROVAL AND RECOMMENDATION TO BCC.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY

SPEAKER CARDS? >> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE NONE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THEN WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION ON ITEM 13. MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MANY COULD PLAN AMOUNT OF SMALL KALE 2022-02 GOODMAN COMMERCIAL EXPANSION BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> . >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. MILLER. ANY DISCUSSION?

[Staff Reports]

OKAY. THE LAND USE PASSES 6-0.

MOVING ON TO THE ZONING, ITEM NUMBER 14.

IS THERE A MOTION? MS. PERKINS PERCENTAGE OF MOKES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2022-06 GOODMAN COMMERCIAL EXPANSION BASED UPON FOYER FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY MANAGES PERKINS FOR APPROVAL.

IS THERE A SECOND? DECKED BY

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