May 19, 2022 Planning and Zoning Agency

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>> MR. MATOVINA: MADAME VICE CHAIR WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE

PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT >> MS. PERKINS: YES.

THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING.

ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER.

ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIM DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM IS FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH IS THREE MINUTES.

SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.

IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.

ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD.

THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT

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IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. CIVILITY CLAUSE.

WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE.

WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES.

WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

OKAY. NOW IS THE TIME FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR EACH ITEM AS THEY COME UP, SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO COME UP AND SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO AN ITEM AFTER THE ITEM HAS BEEN PRESENTED BY THE AGENT. BUT YOU MAY COME UP AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND HAVE A GENERAL COMMENT OR A COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC ITEM IF YOU WOULD LIKE. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE STAFF THIS QUESTION. THERE'S BEEN PERHAPS SOME CONTROVERSY BUT PERHAPS JUST MORE DISCUSSION ON THE NUMBER OF APPROVED BUT UNBUILT LOTS THAT EXIST IN THE COUNTY.

I'VE ASKED FOR THAT INFORMATION BEFORE.

I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT INFORMATION UP HERE BEFORE.

AND CITED FIGURES. BUT THERE WA AN EMAIL SENT AROUND RECENTLY BY DEBORAH WILLIS OF YOUR STAFF THAT -- AND THEN IT WAS DISCUSSED FURTHER BY ONE OF OUR PZA BOARD MEMBERS T WHAT ARE THE CORRECT FIGURES. I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW FOR MY OWN PERSONAL EDIFICATION AND USE AND THEN THAT OF THE PUBLIC WHEN PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON THESE FIGURES.

SO IF YOU COULD JUST ENLIGHTEN US ON THOSE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS CORRECT. WHAT'S GOING ON? I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR. MIKE ROBERSON, GROWTH MANAGEMENT. THE COUNTY STAFF IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAS DEVELOPED WHAT'S CALLED A PUD ENTITLEMENT REPORT WHICH IS BASICALLY -- WHICH CAPTURES WITHIN PUDS ONLY -- WE'RE NO TALKING ABOUT LOTS OF RECORD AND THINGS OF THAT MATTER, BUT WITHIN PUDS FOR RESIDENTIAL, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL ENTITLEMENTS THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS AND IN TURN ALSO THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS -- THAT THE RESIDENTIAL HAS BEEN BUILT, SO IF YOU DO -- YOU SUBTRACT, WE END UP WITH AROUND 60,000, GIVE OR TAKE, RIGHT NOW, OF ENTITLED BUT UNBUILT HOMES. I THINK THE POINT THAT WAS BEING MADE BY THE PLANNING & ZONING AGENCY MEMBER IS YOU CAN HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT MAYBE HAS ENTITLEMENTS, HOWEVER, DUE TO THEIR OWN INTERNAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET THE TOTAL ENTITLEMENT UNITS, WHICH IS FINE AND THAT'S A POINT

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BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHAT A DEVELOPER HAS IN TERMS OF ACREAGE AVAILABLE AND THE WAY THEY'VE BUILT THE SITE.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT. THAT'S A PRIVATE DECISION.

SO IT COULD BE A VALID POINT ON THE OWN, BUT THE COUNTY IS SIMPLY SAYING WE HAVE X AMOUNT OF UNITS THAT ARE ENTITLED AT

THIS POINT. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YES, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA, IF I COULD ALSO ADDRESS THAT BE WITH CRIES TEN VALLIERE SIN OF COUNTY ATTORNEY. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ON TUESDAY DURING THE SILVERLEAF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.

THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER ETM MENTIONED THAT THEY HAD GONE INTO THE COUNTY'S LIST AND DETERMINED WHICH PUDS WERE BUILT OUT TO TRY TO TRUE THAT NUMBER.

SO I'VE CONTACTED ELLEN AVERY-SMITH TO SEE IF ETM IS WILLING TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

>> I WILL ADD ON, HOWEVER, WHATEVER YOU HAVE IN A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT THAT TIME COULD ALWAYS CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. SOMETHING COULD BE BULLDOZED.

YOU DON'T KNOW. THEY COULD TAKE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE. AS LONG AS THEY DEPARTMENT WITHIN THAT P CA, THEY COULD COME IN AND DO THINGS THAT WERE POTENTIALLY ADMINISTRATIVE IN REVIEW.

SO WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS BUILT OUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE THINK AND WHAT'S ON THE GROUND, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION, AND I THINK THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME DEVELOPERS IN THE BUILDING COMMUNITY WHICH HAVE A VALID POINT TO THAT INDUSTRY. AND WE'VE DAWN LOT OF RESEARCH, IN FLAR SAW GRASS. STAFF SPENT MONTHS ON SAW GRASS ALONE TRYING TO CAPTURE IT BECAUSE IT'S AN OLD DRI AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. IT'S JUST TWO DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW AND ONE OF P THIS IS THE COUNTY'S POINT OF VIEW IS HERE'S THE EBB ADVERTISEMENTS. HERE'S WHAT'S BUILT HERE'S WHAT'S NOT. I HOPE THAT'S CLEAR.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I APPRECIATE BOTH OF THOSE COMMENTS. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THE CHAIR HAS SOMETHING TO ADHERE, TOO, NOT RELATIVE TO THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC, BUT THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING, AND A QUESTION AROSE EARLIER BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED TODAY ABOUT HOW PROPORTIONATE SHARE AND IMPACT FEES INTERPLAY, AND I WAS GOIGHTD JUST GIVE A DEMONSTRATION WHICH I AM DINING IN NASSAU COUNTY WHICH I THINK WE WILL EXHIBIT FOR THE NOSE PART. NOT EVERY COUNTY DOES YOU THE THE SAME AND NASSAU COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE PROPORTIONATE SHARE, BUT WHEN I DID A PUD THAT ALLOWED ME TO BUILD 800 RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN NASSAU COUNTY, I WAS REQUIRED TO DEDICATE A PARK SITE TO THE THE COUNTY AND BUILD THE PARK FOR THE MOST PART. AND SO THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AND IF REAL ESTATE THAT OUR COMPANY IS PROVIDING IS ABOUT $3 MILLION, AND WITH 800 UNITS, THE TOTAL IMPACT FEES ARE ABOUT $2,000 A UNIT, SO THE POTENTIAL IMPACT FEES TO BE COLLECTED WERE $1.6 MILLION. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WHAT HAPPENS IS WE ARE GRANTED IMPACT FEE CREDITS EQUAL TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE ARE SPENDING OR THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY WE'RE GIVEN, WHICH IS THE $3 MILLION, BUT WE CAN ONLY USE THOSE CREDITS TO THE EXTENT OF THE $1.6 MILLION ON OUR PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, AND WE MONETIZE THOSE, QUITE FRANKLY, BECAUSE THE BUILDER AND THE DEVELOPER ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, BY ACTUALLY REQUIRING THE BUILDER TO BUY VOUCHERS FROM US WHEN THEY CLOSE ON THEIR LOTS. SO EFFECTIVELY WE COLLECT THAT $1.6 MILLION BACK FROM THEM. NOW, I WILL TELL YOU, THOUGH, IN NOT THIS PAST SEG BUT THE SESSION BEFORE THE STATE LEGISLATURE AUTHORIZED THE EXCESS CREDITS TO BE TRANSFERRED ANYWHERE WITHIN THE SERVICE AREA THAT THAT PARTICULAR PARK SERVES OR AN ADJACENT SERVICE AREA. THERE'S SOME DIFFERENCES OF OPINION ABOUT WHAT THAT STATUTE SAYS, SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET INTO THAT LEVEL HAVE DETAIL.

AND SO ABOUT ONCE A MONTH I CALL OTHER DEVELOPERS AND SAY, DO YOU NEED ANY CREDITS? DO YOU NEED ANY CREDITS? IT'S KIND OF LIKE SELLING WIDGETS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF MY DEVELOPER'S VIEWPOINT OF HOW THAT WORKS.

SO WHEN SOMEBODY STANDS UP HERE AND SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT OR PAY A PROP SHARE AMOUNT, GENERALLY THEY'RE EXPECTING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET CREDIT THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SELL OR THEY WON'T HAVE TO -- A BUILDER WHO IS ALSO

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND THAT LEGISLATIVE ACTION YOU TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S ALL COUNTIES IN THE STATE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THAT'S A STATE STATUTE, YES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 1 ON THE AGENDA, AND THE PRESENTER IS JOSH MEAD. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH RESPECT ON ITEM NUMBER 1?

MR. MEAD. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE AGENCY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS JOSHUA CARLTON MEAD, SR. AND I LIVE AT 5902 RIO ROYALLE ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE 3 TWO 80.

I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY BECAUSE I'M ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A SHED JUST INSIDE THE 8-FOOT SETBACK ON NORTH SIDE OF MY PROPERTY.

I WAS TOLD TO PUT TOGETHER A POWERPOINT TO HELP KIND OF GUIDE THE CONVERSATION. SO THERE IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE FRONT ELEVATION OF MY HOUSE. AS YOU'LL NOTICE, IT'S ON STILTS. THERE IS A PARTIALLY BUILT-OUT PORTION IN THE BACK CORNER THERE.

THAT WILL BECOME IMPORTANT THROUGH MY DISCUSSION.

AS I SAID, AS IT READS UP THERE, I'M ASKING FOR A PARTIAL LENIENCE, VARIANCE, RATHER, ON THE 8-FOOT SETBACK ON THE NORTH SIECHED MY PROPERTY. HERE IS THE -- ALL OF MY THINGS TOGETHER WITH MY FAMILY. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY USING OR BEING STORED, RATHER, IN THAT DOWNSTAIRS PARTIALLY BUILT-OUT AREA.

THAT AREA IS MEANT FOR FUTURE USE.

WOULD I LIKE TO BUILD THAT OUT A LIVING SPACE.

THAT'S WHY IT WAS DESIGNED FOR THAT.

FORTUNATELY FOR ME, I HAVE THAT SPACE CURRENTLY TO BE ABLE TO USE AS TEMPORARY STORAGE. THE PROBLEM HAS BECOME THAT I HAVE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOGRAPH, MULTIPLE ITEMS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED A HEALTH OR SAFETY HAZARD, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT THEM TO WALK OFF FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THESE ARE COMMON ITEMS THAT MOST OF YOU WOULD PROBABLY SEE IN A SHED OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO INCLUDE LAWN EQUIPMENT, GASOLINE, GAS AND OIL MIX, OIL, BATTERIES, JUST PAINT, HERBICIDES, PESTICIDES, ET CETERA.

SO THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT I'M STORING THERE.

THE PROBLEM, AS I WAS STARTING TO SAY EARLIER, IS THAT PARTICULARLY DURING THE HOT AND SUMMER MONTHS LIKE NOW, WE ARE GETTING SOME WAFTING UP AND SOME NAUSEOUS FUMES PERCOLATING THROUGH THE FLOOR, AND I'D LIKE TO REMOVE THOSE BUT I DON'T WANT TO JUST SET THEM OUT IN THE YARD.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE NECESSITY OF MY PRESENTATION ON WHY I WOULD LIKE TO ADD AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OF MY SHED.

THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH FROM SATELLITE IMAGERY THAT SHOWS WHAT I HAVE CIRCLED THERE IS A PREVIOUS SHED THAT WAS THERE ON THE PROPERTY. I DID BUY THE PROPERTY WITH MY FAMILY IN JULY OF TWHOO P. I HAD AT A T.2020.

I IT HAD A SHED ON THE PROPERTY AND I DON'T HAVE AN ANALYSIS BUT WHEN I PURCHASED IT IT WAS QUITE LOIRLT PROPERTY LINE.

THE PREVIOUS OWNER TOOK THE SHED OFF THE OF THE PROPERTY AND IT WAS MY ACCIDENT TO REPLACE THE SHED OR STRUCTURE THERE FOR THE REASONS STATED EARLIER. THE NEXT SLIDE IS A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT MR. BRANDON TIRADO, PART OF THE STAFF, HELPED ME WITH. I'D LIKE TO TELL HIM THANK YOU IN PUBLIC FORUM FOR ALL OF THE WORK HE DID WITH ME.

HE HELD ME TO TASK AND END STHIEWRD THAT I ENSURD THAT I HAD A STECH OF THE PROPOSED SHED.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S ON THE NETHER SIDE THERE.

AND IT IS ON THE -- IT IS JUST ENCROACHING MEAN THE 8-FOOT SETBACK. WHAT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT WITH THIS SLIDE IS THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SETBACKS OF 8 FEET ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF MY PROPERTY.

THERE'S A 10-FOOT SETBACK TOWARDS THE REAR AS WELL AS A 2.

I CONSIDER ALTERNATE PLACES TO PLACE THE SHED, AND YOU CAN SEE THE MOST SPACE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE BUILDINGS ENVELOPE WOULD BE ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE, HOWEVER, WHEN WE STARTED BUILDING OUR STRUCTURE, OUR RESIDENCE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SEPTIC TANK AND THE RAISED DRAIN FIELD TOOK UP THE MAJORITY OF THAT REAL ESTATE. TOWARDS THE BACK, WE DO HAVE A BULKHEAD WITH A 10-FOOT SETBACK, AND IT DIDN'T LEAVE ENOUGH ROOM BETWEEN THE SETBACKS THERE BETWEEN THERE AND THE BACK OF MY

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SO ALL THAT TO SAY IS THE REASON I CHOSE THAT SPOT THAT IT'S PROPOSED TO BE IS BECAUSE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MANY ALTERNATIVES WITHIN THE BUILDING OUTLOOK TO PLACE SUCH SHED.

3. THESE ARE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS JUST FOR REPRESENTATION PURPOSES IT'S HARD TO SEE IN THE LEFT SIDE WHERE THE I SAYS "FRONT ELEVATION" BUT I DO HAVE A RAISED DRAIN FIELD AS I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED.

IT'S RAISED ABOUT 2-1/2 FEET SO THERE'S SOME TOPOGRAPHICAL ISSUES. THE SECOND SLIDE OR THE SECOND PHOTOGRAPH RATHER ON THAT SLIDE IS JUST ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH FROM THE STAIRS, AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE SMALL AREA THAT'S BUILT OUT UNDERNEATH, WHICH I HAVE ALREADY REFERENCED EARLIER.

HERE AGAIN IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE PROCEED PAWN TANK BETWEEN MY PROPERTY, AND THEN ALSO PICTURED THERE IS A TRAILER TO HELP SHOW THAT THIS ALSO IS THE ONLY AREA THAT I HAVE IN ORDER TO ACCESS MY BACKYARD AND THE BULKHEAD. WE'VE ALREADY HAD TO REPAIR IT ONCE AND I'M TOLD THAT THERE WILL BE FUTURE REPAIRS IN THE NOT DISTANT FUTURE, WE I ALSO LIKE FOR THERE TO BE CONSIDERATION WITH THE FACT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN THAT INGRESS AND EGRESS THERE TO THE SOUTH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MY PROPERTY. THIS IS JUST MY APPROXIMATION.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE BUT, YOU KNOW, I BASICALLY MEASURED TEN FEET OFF MY BULKHEAD AND THESE ARE WHAT ARE CALLED DEAD MEN. THEY'RE CONCRETE BLOCKS THAT ARE SUBTERRANEAN THAT ARE USED FOR TIE BASK TO HOLD THE BULKHEAD IN PLACE AND I JUST -- I'M ACTUALLY BUILDING MY SHED ELEVATED BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME FLOODING IN TREASURE BEACH, IF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH TREASURE BEACH, SO I'D LIKE IT TO NOT BE ON THE GROUND, BUT I KNOW THAT THOSE DEAD MEN WOULD BE A PROBLEM WITH REGARD TO PUTTING IN SOME WOOD PIERCE WHEN I ELEVATE THE SHED.

I WASN'T REALLY SURE WHAT TO EXPECT WITH TODAY'S PRESENTATION TO AGENCY SO I FIGURED I WOULD TRY AND BE AS COMPREHENSIVE A POSSIBLE TO ADDRESS THE VARIANCE REQUIREMENT.

AND AS IT'S NOTED UP THERE, THERE'S THE NARROWNESS, SHALLOWNESS AND UNUSUAL SHAPE ARE REASONS FOR A CONVERSATION F A VARIANCE AND I HOPE I PRPBTD TO YOU ALREADY THUS FAR I HAVE BOTH AN UNUSUAL SHAPED LOT THAT IS PINCHED TOWARDS THE BACK WHERE IT GETS MORE NARROW. ADDITIONAL TOP GRAPHIC ISSUES INCLUDING THE SWALE AS WELL AS THE RAISED DRAIN FIELD AND ACCEPT SICK TANK. MY IMPRESSION ALSO IS THAT I SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND THE PURPOSE OF THE CODE, WHILE I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS, I TOOK A SHOT AT IT, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO TRY AND ADDRESS IT IF I COULD. THE CODE COMMINGLING OF DIFFERENT ZONING USES, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

MY BELIEF AND OPINION IS THAT A SHED IS VERY -- VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH THAT, SO I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE OKAY.

IF THE SPIRIT AND THE PURPOSE OF CODE TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S A PROPER BUFFER BETWEEN MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBORS, I DID SPEAK TO MY NEIGHBOR IMMEDIATELY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MY PROPERTY.

HE IS IN 100% SUPPORT OF ME PUTTING THE SHED THERE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DID GET LETTERS FROM ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS, MY MARYLAND NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS WE KNOW THE MAILING GOES OUT TO PUBLIC NOTICE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OPPOSITION, BUT MY IMPRESSION IS THAT THERE IS NOT.

AND THEN THE LAST THING WAS THAT THE CODE, WOULD CAUSE UNDUE HARDSHIP. END GAVAZZI, I'M SEEKING A PORTION OF THE 4 FEET FOR SETBACK FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY REASONS, AS MENTION EARLIER. I CAN BREEZE THROUGH THE REST.

THESE ARE SIMPLY PHOTOGRAPHS. I THINK YOU HAVE A PASKT THESE, BUT THESE ARE THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT I RECEIVED FROM MY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS. AND THEM IN CLOSING I'D JUST LOOK TO SAY THAT AGAIN, MR. TIRADO MADE SURE THAT I EXERCISED ALL OF THE POSSIBLE ISSUES THAT MIGHT COME UP IN A VARIANCE. WE DID LOOK AT THE MAXIMUM BUILD-TO-LOT RATIO. I'M WELL WITHIN THAT PRIOR TO THE SHED, AND WITH THE SHED THERE YOU CAN SEE OURAL CALCULATIONS SHOW THAT I'M STILL UNDER 27% BUT I'M ALLOWED 35%.

AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, THE LAST AND FINAL PHOTOGRAPH REPRESENTS THAT I ACTUALLY DID THE MATH, AND BASED ON A SCALE DRAWING

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>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? YES, STAFF.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, MR. MEAD, I BELIEVE THERE'S A PRIDE CASE THAT WAS FOR THIS, THE CONSTRUCTION HAD BEGUN, IS THAT

CORRECT? >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT MY INTENTIONS WERE NOT -- I WAS NOT FRYING TO GET AROUND ANYTHING.

I WAS JUST SIMPLY TRYING TO PUT A SHED BACK WHERE THERE WAS A

PREVIOUS ONE. >> MR. MATOVINA: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IS THERE A -- FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, IS THERE A DISTANCE IT NEEDS TO BE AWAY FROM

STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE? >> WE'LL LOOK AT THE CODE REAL QUICK. THERE OFTEN IS THE SETBACK CHANGES WHEN THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS A CERTAIN DISTANCE.

YOU WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT SETBACK TO THAT STRUCTURE.

I JUST DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS OFFHAND.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE MINIMUM BETWEEN THE PRIMARY AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, NO TO

THE PROPERTY LINE. >> REPEAT THE QUESTION,

MR. CHAIR, PLEASE. >> MR. MATOVINA: THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO, NOT WHETHER THERE'S A RELAXATION OF THE SIDE SETBACK.

IF THERE IS ANY REQUIRED SEPARATION.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE IN YOU PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS WHILE STAFF IS LOOKING AT IT? I'VE CERTAINLY CREATED A MESS HERE.

>> TEN FEET. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WILL THIS

MEET THAT? >> SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR A

VARIANCE FOR THAT AS WELL. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW.

SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCIES FOR A MOTION AT THIS POINT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WILL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2022-04 SHED FOR 5902 RIO ROYALLE ROAD, REQUEST FOR A ZONING VARIANCE TO TABLE 6.01 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT IS SEPARATED BY LESS THAN 10 FEET FROM THE MAIN USE STRUCTURE TO HAVE A SIDE YARD SETBACK OF 4 FEET IN LIEU OF THE 8 REQUIREMENT IN

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>> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE A GOT A MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK.

IS THERE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOTION PASSES. CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

ITEM NUMBER 2 IS THE BARTRAM SPRINGS BREW PUB.

AND MR. WHITEHOUSE, IF YOU COULD COME OF ON UP.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE ?

DR. HILSENBECK, YOU'RE UP FIRST. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DID SPEAK WITH JAMES WHITEHOUSE THIS MORNING ABOUT THE PROJECT AND

DISCUSSED IT IN GENERAL. >> MS. PERKINS: I SPEAK SPO WHERE WHITEHOUSE THIS MORNING AS WELL ABOUT THE PROJECT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. MCCORMICK.

>> METEOROLOGIST: [INAUDIBLE] DRIVE-IN SERVICE K-12 IN. [INAUDIBLE]

[INAUDIBLE] >> MR. MATOVINA: I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE LAST EVENING MICE MYSELF ABO, JUST ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE ?BREWPUB.

ALL RIGHT, MR.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS JAMES WHITEHOUSE.

I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE PROPOSED

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IT'S SPUSKLY ON 175 RAINIER LANE WHICH IS WITHIN THAT AREA OF THE BAR TRAP PARK PUD. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT, AND I HAVE IT UP ON SCREEN, IT'S BETWEEN US-1 AND 95 OFF OF RACE TRACK ROAD. THIS IS BARTRAM SPRINGS PARKWAY GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE. BOTH OF THESE AREAS ARE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ON YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE AREA, AS MANY OF YOU WHO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN UP IN THIS AREA THIS IS A BUG AREA OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF COMMUNITY AT DURBIN PARK ON THE SOUTHBOUND 95 WHERE YOU SEE THE YELLOW MARK, THAT'S WHERE THIS PROPOSED USE IS WITHIN THESE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SECTIONS OF THE BARTRAM PARK PUD. AGAIN, THIS IS THE AREA ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT BARTRAM SPRINGS PARKWAY AND THE WHOLE AREA, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS BUFFERED BY THESE WETLAND.

THIS AREA GOES BACK INTO WHERE BAR TRAP PARK AND SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE THIS SEWED O. HERE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH COMMERCIAL USES OR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL USES.

THIS SIDE IS CURRENTLY BEING BUILT AND DEVELOPED AS THE SAME.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE ADVERTISEMENTS THAT I JUST PULLED OFFLINE FROM THE AREA. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO CALL THIS SIDE BARTRAM POINT, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, THE WHOLE THING IS GOING TO BE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SORT OF COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL USES ON A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PARCELS. THIS ONE PARTICULARLY IS IN THIS AREA RIGHT DOWN HERE, AND THIS IS A BLOW-UP OF IT.

YOU CAN SEE THE TWO BUILDINGS WITH THE COURTYARD IN MIDDLE.

THIS PARTICULAR USE WE'RE ASKING FOR IS GOING TO BE IN THESE UNITS HERE OUTLINE IN BLUE. YOU CAN'T SEE YOU SO WELL HERE.

I THINK IT'S IN YOUR PACKET. YOU CAN SEE THE BETTER.

BUT THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE.

AS A SAID, THE SPIFG REQUEST T THE PEMBROKE PINES FAMILY FOR THE PROPOSED TENANTS FOR THIS, ALEX AND CARRIE BROOKS, WOULD LIKE TO ASK TO BE ABLE TO RUN THEIR FAMILY FRIENDLY STYLE BREWPUB TASTING WHO IS IN THESE PARTICULAR UNITS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SECTION OF THE BARTRAM PARK PUD.

THE WAY THAT THIS SPECIFIC USE IS CLASSIFIED IN OUR CODE IS A BREWPUB. AND THAT REQUIRES -- THAT'S A SPECIAL USE, A SPECIAL USE IN THE CODE, IN OUR CODE, AND SO WITHIN A PUD YOU HAVE TO COME AND ASK FOR A MINOR MODIFICATION TO GET A SPECIAL USE IN THIS AREA.

AND THIS IS KIND OF IN THEIR OWN WORD.

WE WANT TO USE THIS SPACE TO MAKE A FAMILY FRIENDLY BREWING TASTING HOUSE THAT WILL BE COMMUNITY CENTERED.

THERE WILL BE BEAR THAT'S BREWED ON-SITE LONG THE NON-ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND SNACKS THAT ARE SERVED AND THE REST WILL BE YOU'D FOR ON-SITE CONSUMPTION. THIS IS A SMALL BUSINESS.

IT WILL ALSO BE USED TO GIVE BACK THE TO COMMUNITY, OF SPECIAL EVENT NIGHTS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND CHARITIES, AND I -- IT CAN ALSO BE ALLOWED TO BE USED BY LOCAL GROUPS WHEN THEY'RE NOT OPEN FOR SERVICE. WE WANT THE ATMOSPHERE TO BE LOW EXEE AND A SPACE WHERE YOU CAN ENJOY A NICE CRAFT BEER WITH FAMILY, FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS WHICH IS WHAT THIS WHOLE DR. BIN PARK IS AND THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND IT.

THAT'S WHAT COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL USES ARE REFINED WITH IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IN ANY CASE, TO GO FORWARD, NOT TO BELABOR THE FACT, BUT YOU HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

BEFORE I GET TO THAT, LET ME TALK ABOUT THIS.

SO THIS PARTICULAR -- THESE PARTICULAR TWO SIDES OF COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, THIS AGENCY HAS ALREADY ALCOHOL DISTRIBUTION. IN FACT, I WAS HERE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR BOTH THESE. ONE WAS A MINOR MODIFICATION FOR PJ'S LIQUOR PACKAGE STORE WHICH IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF BARTRAM SPRINGS PARKWAY. BEFORE THAT CAME INTO EFFECT, THEY DECIDED THAT IT MIGHT MOVE TO DIFFERENTIATE UNIT AND SO WE HAD TO COME BACK AND WE DID A MAJOR MODIFICATION IN 2019, WHICH WAS PASSED IN 2020, WHICH ADDED THE LANGUAGE SAYING YOU COULD HAVE LIQUOR STORES AND PACKAGE STORES.

SO THIS TYPE OFLY, AND ALCOHOL SERVICE, ALTHOUGH THAT WAS FOR OFF-SITE CONSUMPTION, IS ALREADY BEING CONSIDERED BY THIS BOARD, AT LEAST IN THIS COMMERCIAL AREA.

AS YOU KNOW FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT AND YOUR PACKET, BREWPUBS ARE DEFINED IN A CERTAIN WAY, AND THEY'RE ATTACHED TO LIKE A TASTING ROOM OR TO WHATNOT. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO HERE.

THESE ARE THE SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS.

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WE MEET ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS. IN ADDITION AT ANY TIME UN2.0538 WHICH IS BREWPUB. THE CLASSIFICATION OF THIS PARTICULAR ASK, THERE ARE SEVERAL MORE, AND AGAIN I WON'T GO THROUGH EACH OF THEM BUT PIERRE EVER THEY'RE IN THE PACKET. THEY COLLEGE TO MEET ALL THESE.

THE PROPOSAL MEETS ALL OF HE IS, AND THEREFORE THIS IS A COPY OF THE SITE PLAN. IT SHOWS THAT THIS IS THE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF IS ON BREWING AREA IN THE BACK HERE, A COOLER WITH SORT OF A BAR AREA FOR SERVICE OF THE MICROBREWS, ET CETERA, SOME SOCIAL GATHERING AREA CAR, AND LITTLE SOCIAL GATHERING AREA ON THE COURTYARD SIDE. THIS IS A PICTURE FROM THE OTHER SIDE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT WITH THE TYPICAL COURTYARD. THIS IS KIND OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE CAN AND THIS WOULD BE ON THEIR SIDE.

THERE MIGHT BE TABLES AND CHAIRS OUTSIDE HERE WHERE IT CAN BE SORT OF A COMMUNITY SOCIALIZING. AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO THAT, THE TEXT ITSELF FOR THE BARTRAM PARK PUD CONTEMPLATES THE STALE AND SERVICE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN THESE SECTIONS THAT I CITED, ELSE SW IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE OUTSIDE, PERMANENT OUTSIDE SALE AND SERVICE SAYS IT SHAM BE ALLOWED IN AREAS CONTIGUOUS TO A LICENSED FACILITIES OR ESTABLISHMENT WITHIN THE AREA NO GREATER THAN THE INSIDE AREA FOR SALE AND SERVICE. AND AS YOU SAW FROM THE PICTURES, IT'S GOING TO BE JUST A SMALL AREA ON THE OUTSIDE IN THE COURTYARD THAT'S ATTACHED. AND REALLY IT SAYS AS LONG AS IT'S APPROVED PURSUANT TO THE TERMS OF PUD AND THE WAY YOU HAVE IT APPROVED IS THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE. IN ANY CASE YOU SEE FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT, STAFF FINDS COMMERCIAL ALLOWS FOR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL USES INCLUDING THE BREWPUB AS LONG AS IT MEDES THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTIONS THAT WE KIND OF JUST WENT OVER IN SUM. IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE WITHIN THESE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, AS YOU SAW FROM THE MAPS.

THIS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AREA IS BUFFERED FROM ANY OTHER AREA WITH A LOT OF WETLANDS AND ARE THERE A LOE LOT OF COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL USES ALREADY GOING ON HERE AND FACES RIGHT ON RACE TRACK ROAD WHICH UNCOMFORTABLE FORTUNATELY HAS BECOME A MAIN THOROUGHFARE FOR THIS AREA. FURTHER, THE APPROVAL OF THIS USE DOESN'T CONTRAVENE ANY OF THE THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO METED IN THE LAND DEVELOMENT CODE OR FLORIDA STATUTES. BASED UPON THE EVIDENCE AND THE YOUR EXPERT STAFF WEST EVALUATION, WE ASK FOR YOUR REASONABLE CONSIDERATION OF THIS FOR APPROVAL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. MCCORMICK.

YOU DON'T HAVE A QUESTION? YOU'RE BACK UP AGAIN.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE IN YOU PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS? OKAY. NO PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS.

WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY. >> MR. CHAIR, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, IF I MAY, THE RESOLUTION IN YOUR APPLICATION AND YOUR PACKET DID ADDRESS SUITES 8 THROUGH 10 OF THE BUILDING A SUITES A THROUGH 10. I NOTICED THAT THE PRESENTATION TODAY HAD SAID 9 THROUGH 10. SO IF THE APPLICANT COULD JUST CLARIFY THAT SO WE CAN OF THE RESOLUTION CORRECT.

>> AND YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MA'AM AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. FOSTER FOR THE RECORD, THE LEASE ITSELF IS IN FLUKDZ PENDING OBVIOUSLY THIS APPROVAL.

I THINK THE UNDERSTANDING NOW IS THEY MIGHT AS A LITTLE BIT OF 8.

BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S 9. I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO SAY THAT IN THE ORDER BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S SORT OF LIKE IN FLUX. SO I THINK IF WE SAY 9 AND 10, THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO COVER THIS.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT I FORGOT TO ADD, LIKE I SAID, AS YOU ALL KNOW FROM THE WAY CONSTRUCTION IS GOING NOW, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS, IT'S CLEARED AND THEY'RE BUILDING IT BUT IT'S HARD TO SAY HOW LONG THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE TO BUILD.

SO TYPICALLY WE GIVE THESE A YEAR.

I WOULD ASK IF THE AGENCY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO MAKING IT TWO YEARS JUST IN CASE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU YOU KNOW IF IT TAKES LONGER FOR THE BUILDING TO BE FINISHED AND THEY CAN GET IN THERE. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, APPRECIATE

THE TIME AND CONSIDERATION. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

I WOULD JUST SAY, AS THE CHAIR, THAT IF SUITE 6 CAME IN AND WANTED A BREWPUB, I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD NECESSARILY RESTRICT THAT. WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION,MATION

ITS A YOU SEE APPROPRIATE. >> DID WE REQUEST PUB COMMENT?

>> MR. MATOVINA: YES, AND THERE WAS NONE.

>> OKAY. GOOD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE'RE BACK IN AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MR. PIER. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATION 2020-16 BARTRAM SPRINGS BRIEWB

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DO WE NEED TO ADD SUITES 9 AND 10 AND TWO YEARS OR -- MARCHTS I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.

[3. REZ 2022-05 8292 River Road.]

>> YES, WE SHOULD CLARE THAT YOU FOR THE RECORD.

>> MR. PETER: SUITES 9 AND 10 LOCATED IN THE APPLICANT'S MATERIALS AND THE TERM WOULD BE FOR TWO YEARS.

MOONCH IF A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE THAT MOTION IS APPROVED.

THANK YOU, MR. WHITEHOUSE. OKAY.

MOVING ON TO I-NUMBER 3 BEING PRESENTED BY MR. MURRAY, IS THERE ANY SPART COMMUNICATION ON ITEM NUMBER 3?

>> MR. PIERRE: I DROVE BY THE LOCATION A COUPLE DAYS AGO.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND I ALSO WOULD NOTE THAT ON THE SECOND PAGE OF OUR REPORT, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ADDRESS FOR THE APPROVE AND DENY MOTION WAS INCORRECT. IT REFERRED TO 8292 ELK ROAD PERHAPS IN OUR PACKET, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE RIVER ROAD.

YOU SHOULD HAVE A REVISED ONE NEXT TO YOU.

MR. MURRAY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS MATT, I'M THE APPLICANT FOR MRS. MR. MURRAY I REAID ST THROW 96 -- ST. AUGUSTINE.

[INAUDIBLE] MR. AND MRS. NURY EVER MUSHY LOOKING TO -- SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS ON THIS PAR SEM.

THE PARCEL IS LOCATED AT THE END OF RIVER ROAD, WHICH IS ALONG THE ST. JOHN RIVER. THE PARCEL IS SURROUNDED BY RS2 AND RMH ZONING. FROM WHAT WE CAN GATHER, IT'S THE ONLY COMMERCIAL PIECE WITHIN A COUPLE MILES.

THE CLOSEST COMMERCIAL PIECE WE FOUND WAS BUDDY BOYS GAS STATION. SO THE PIECE IS OBVIOUSLY OUTDATED FROM WHERE IT IS BEING IN THE CI.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS SPLIT IN HALF ON THIS PARCEL.

HALF OF IT IS AGRICULTURAL. HALF OF IT IS RURAL/SILVICULTURE. THE REMAINING AREA ISAL ALSO E SAME FUTURE LAND USE. A LITTLE HISTORY THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY IN THE 1960S AND '70S WAS A -- PROCESSING PLANT. ONCE THE PLANT CEASED TO EXIST EXIST, IT BECAME DILAPIDATED, IN I THINK THE '80S OR THE '90S.

THE BUILDINGS DETERIORATED. THE CURRENT OWNER REMOVED THE BUILDING BECAUSE THEY WERE AN EYE SORE, AND THEY WERE ALSO DANGEROUS TO THE PUBLIC. THEY HAD SEEN VANDALISM THERE.

THEY DID THAT RECENTLY IN THE EARLY PART OF THE YEAR HERE.

THE OWNERS HAVE APPROACHED THE MAWRNLT OF PEOPLE ALONG RIVER ROAD HERE -- MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE ALONG RIVER ROAD TO EXPRESS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY.

THEY RECEIVED NOTHING BUT POSITIVE FEEDBACK.

THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO MEET WITH EVERYBODY.

SOME PEOPLE WERE NOT AVAILABLE OR AT THEIR RESIDENCE WHEN THEY DID GO BY ON THE WEEKEND TO TRY TO MEET WITH THEM.

EVERYBODY THAT WAS AVAILABLE SIGNED THIS FORM STATING THAT THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF REZONING THIS TO A RESIDENTIAL STATUS.

A QUICK SITE PLAN THAT THE OWNERS HAVE PUT OUT HERE, I DON'T THINK IT'S TO SCALE. I THINK IT MIGHT BE OFF A LITTLE BIT, CONSIDERING IT'S A 4-ACRE PARCEL.

BUT IT SEEMS THAT VERY LOGICAL THAT THIS IS THE BEST USE FOR THE PARCEL, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR

QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE APPLICANT'S FOUND A REALLY NICE SPOT THERE AND I INTEND TO VOTE FOR THIS, SO -- BUT I DID WANT TO ASK STAFF THIS QUESTION. WHEN THEY SHOWED, THIS GENTLEMAN SHOWED THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT WAS IN OUR APPLICATION PACKET, IT SHOWS ALL THAT LAND IN THAT AREA AS RURAL/SILVICULTURE AND AGRICULTURE, SO -- AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL PHOTO AND YOU SEE ALL THE NEIGHBORS AROUND THERE. DID EVERY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT BUILT OUT THERE HAVE TO COME IN HERE AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THAT? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN HAVE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOWING THIS, YET ALL THE PROPERTY OUT THERE IS BUILT UP WITH RESIDENTIAL AREA, SO I'D JUST LIKE A COMMENT ON THAT. BINCHT MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I

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HOWEVER, IF THEY WERE THERE AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE, THEN, YES, THEY WOULD HAVE -- THEY'RE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.

THEY'RE JUST NON-CONFORMING PER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE WITH WHAT THEY HAVE.

IF ANYTHING NEW WAS COMING IN TODAY AND NOT CONSIDERED A LOT OF RECORD, IT WOULD REQUIRE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> DR. HILSENBECK:, I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT TO THE APPLICANT A TYPO IN YOUR TEXT MATERIAL THAT I HOPE YOU SAW. DID YOU NOTE THAT TYPO?

>> I SAW IT. >> DR. HILSENBECK:

SUBSTITUTING AN A FOR A B. >> MR. MATOVINA: GO TO THAT

VERBIAGE SLIDE. >> SPEAKER: I'M NOT QUITE SURE

WHERE THAT IS, SIR. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DON'T WANT TO POINT IT OUT BUT LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IT DIDN'T SAY CRAB.

>> SPEAKER: THE OWNER TYPED THAT.

I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THERE IT IS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I WAS GOING TO ASK IS THIS A SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SEE THAT FIFTH LINE DOWN? SPJ THE WHOLE THING WAS THE -- GOT YOU.

HISTORIANS SO IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND IT'S MUCH BETTER THAN A CRAB PROCESSING PLANT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS? ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MR. PETER. >> MR. PETER: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2022 RO 2, 82 THANK YOU ELK

[4. REZ 2022-07 Surfside Residential Lots. ]

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: WEAVE GOT A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND.

SECOND BY MR. PIERRE. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

THAT PASSES. CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4, WE HAVE MS. JENNESS.

IS THERE ANY SPART COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE ON ITEM NUMBER 4?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M BARBARA JENN PEPS I'M THE J.

I AM OOH APPLICANT AND ORTON THE SURFSIDE RESIDENTIAL LOT, AND THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY .42 ACRES OF LAND FROM COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST TO RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY RS-3. IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE AN ADDRESS. IT'S ZERO COASTAL HIGHWAY BUT IT IS TWO PARCELS. THIS IS THE LOCATION ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THE BIG BLACK BOX.

AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAYBE SHOWS THAT IT IS RESIDENTIAL C. AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST. YOU WILLAL NOTICE THAT TO THE SOUTH IS COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST BUT IT'S PREDOMINANTLY RS-3 AND I DID WANT TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO KEEP IN LINE WITH THE COMMUNITY. ACROSS THE STREET ON THE OCEAN IS RG 1 AND JUST NORTH IS RG 1. THIS SHOWS THE SAME THING.

HERE'S AN AERIAL OF THE TWO LOTS.

CLOSER UP. AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED. IT'S VACANT LAND.

SO THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION IS I WAP TO REZONE TWO PLATTED LOTS FROM COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO HAVE ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME PER LOT.

THE HOMES WILL BE SITED PER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR RS-3 NON-CONFORM LOTS BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE 62.5 FEET WIDE.

THE SURROUNDING AREAS, I'VE DISCUSSED IS RS-3, RG 1 TO THE NORTH AND EAST AND COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TO THE SOUTH.

AND WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE DOWN ZONING IS FOR LESS INTENSIVE USE AND IS MORE COMPATIBLE TO THE ROUND EVER SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREA.

THIS IS WHERE I TALK ABOUT THE SETBACKS THAT I AM AWARE AND WILL NOT VIOLATE ANY OF THESE OR THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION.

SINCE ONE OF THEM SIGH CORNER LOT AND IT IS NON-CONFORM, IT WILL BE 15 FEET SET BOOCT SECOND FRONT WHILE THE FIRST WILL BE 2.

THE TWO SIDES ARE 8 FEET AND THE REAR FOLLOW-UP IS 10.

AGAIN HACKS MADDOX HEIGHT 35 FEET AND BE IT WILL BE ONE

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I DID POST THIS. OVAL WE SENT OUT THE NOTICE TO THE NEIGHBORS AND EVERYTHING WAS FAVORABLE, BUT ADDITIONALLY I POAD EDIT ON NEXTDOOR. ARE YOU GUYS A FAMILIAR WITH NEXTDOOR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM? POSTED IT THERE FOR MY WHOLE COMMUNITY SO EVERYONE WOULD BE AWARE OF IT AND COULD CONTACT ME IF THERE WAS ANY ISSUE. EVERYONE WAS FAVORABLE.

HERE ARE TWO COMMENTS THAT COMMUNITY PEOPLE MADE THAT I HAD PERMISSION TO POST SHOWING THEIR SUPPORT OF IT BEING RESIDENTIAL.

I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OFVILLE AN OH BEACH IN MAIN STREET AND DO LIKE COMMERCIAL IN THAT AREA AND THINK THE AREA AROUND COASTAL HIGHWAY SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO COMMENTS. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS? WE'RE BACK THE IN AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM 4, RES-2022-07 SURFSIDE RESIDENTIAL LOTS REQUEST TO REZONE .42 ACRES OF LAND ZONED COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST TO RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY TO PROVIDE FOR USES UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL C LAND USE

[Items 5 & 6]

DESIGNATION. >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION FOR A 230R PLOOFL BY DR. HILSENBECK. STLS A SECOND BY DR. MCCORMICK.

AND IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOTION -- MR. PETER, YOU'RE NOT REGISTERING.

THAT MOTION PASSES. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 5 TO MR. BURNETT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE FOR ITEM NUMBER 5?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: YES, I SPOKE WITH MR. BURNETT ON THE TELEPHONE THIS MORNING ABOUT THE MILLS PLACE ITEM.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

BINCHTS 234-R MR. MATOVINA, FOR THE RECORD, 5 AND 6 WILL BE TAKEN TOGETHER AND VOTED SEPARATELY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO THAT EX PARTE QUESTION WAS ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 6, NOT I'M NOT NUMBER 5. THANK YOU.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND I DID DRIVE BY IT THIS MORNING AS WELL OR THIS AFTERNOON, EARLY THIS AFTERNOON.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MR. BURNETT.

>> SPEAKER: FOR THE RECORD DO YOU GO BITTERN ST. JOHN LAW GROUP 10 FOR SEA GROVE MAIN STREET.

THIS IS A KB HOME PROJECT AND WITH ME TODAY, PAUL MICHAEL HERE ON THE FRONT ROW, VICE PRESIDENT OF KB IN OUR LOCAL AREA OFTEN WITH MOST ALL OF THESE PROJECTS THAT COME BEFORE YOU.

THIS PROJECT DID COME BEFORE YOU ORIGINALLY FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. THE BCC, WITHOUT MUCH OF A HEARING, GAVE IT BACK. THERE'S NEW INFORMATION SO I WANT TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING QUICKLY BUT THEN I'LL FOCUS AND TOUCH ON WHAT THE CHANGES ARE SINCE LAST TIME YOU SAW THE PROJECT. IT IS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, DOWN LEWIS SPEEDWAY, IN BETWEEN US-1 AND WOODLAWN, IF YOU WILL, AROUND THE BEND.

LOCATION MAP. HERE'S AN AERIAL.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEKING IS A FUTURE LAND USE IT'S CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL B. IT IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY, AND THESE ARE THE SECTIONS OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT IN THESE AREAS.

WHEN YOU HAVE A RED LINE GOING AROUND PROPERTY ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THOSE ARE AREAS WHERE IT IS DESIGNATED FOR DEVELOPMENT. ZONING MAP, I'LL PUT THIS BACK ON AN AERIAL IN A MOMENT TO PUT IN IT A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE IS ZONING AROUND US IN PLACE.

PUBLIX PUBLIC UTILITIES AND S, WEAVE CAPACITY.

WE BELIEVE IN ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL.

WE NEED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT ADOPTION BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY FILE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE THERE. WE CAN'T ACTUALLY GET A FINAL DETERMINATION I DON'T BELIEVE UNTIL THIS IS ADOPTED.

WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD IF THAT'S REQUIRED.

TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY. WE ANTICIPATE A PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE. IT IS ONLY AN INCREASE OF 48 TRIPS. I'M COME BACK TO THIS, THOUGH, BECAUSE THIS IS YOU REALLY A KEY ISSUE FROM WHERE WE CHANGED, WHERE WE WERE LAST TIME WHEN WE WERE BEFORE YOU TO NOW.

LG TWO ENVIRONMENTAL THERE'S NO STGHT SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITY, NO LISTED SPECIES ON-SITE.

ENVIRONMENTAL SOLUTIONS, LG 2 DID DO THE WORK THERE.

SAND SOILS ARE FINE FOR THE SITE OF DEVELOPMENT.

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I KNOW THAT'S WEEK A HOT BUTTON ISSUE.

DANA SINCLAIR OF HERITAGE SERVICES DAN ARCHAEOLOGICAL.

THERE'S NOTHING OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE ON THIS SITE.

UTILITY SERVICE, AND THIS TIES BACK INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY, AND BEING IN DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE'RE ACTUALLY, IF YOU 24EU OF ST. AUGUSTINE AS A METRO AREA, OUR UTILITIES WOULD BE PROVIDED BY THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE HISTORIC CITY, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THAT METRO AREA OF THE CITY. THERE'S FIRE HYDRANTS AROUND THE SITE. WE'RE WITHIN 5 MILES OF FIRE SERVICE, OBVIOUSLY STATION 12 IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER ON US-1 NEXT TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

LOOKING AT THE PROJECT ITSELF, MILLS PLACE IS 92 LOTS, 24 TOTAL ACRES, ABOUT 6 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, 2 ACRES OF PRESERVED WETLAND. AND AGAIN IT'S A KB HOME PROJECT. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO JUST OAFORT HIGHLIGHT THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE A GOOD STEWARD AND HAVE BEEN A GOOD STEWARD IN OUR COUNTY.

THEY'RE ONE OF THE HOMEBUILDERS. THEY ARE A NATIONAL HOMEBUILDER.

BUT THEY'RE ONE OF THOSE BUILDERS THAT ACTUALLY DOES THE DEVELOPMENT, COMES THROUGH THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS, DOES THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE HOME BUILDING, SO SOUP TO NUTS, SO TO SPEAK. TAKING A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT YOU ARE ON SITE YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THE 10-FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER. WE'VE GOT OUR LAKES.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT OUR OPEN SPACE AREAS ON THE PROJECT.

ABOUT LOOKING AT THE ZONING AND OVERLAYING THAT TO THE AERIAL, YOU CAN SEE OUR PROJECT IN THIS AREA.

TO THE NORTH OF US IS AN EXISTING PSD.

IT'S BUILT LARGELY. IT IS A CONDOMINIUM PROJECT, ALTHOUGH TO BE DAN CANDID IT S LIKE A DUPLEX.

TECHNICAL IT IS A CONDOMINIUM PROJECT.

THIS IS THE GRANITE AND STONE KITCHEN CABINET PLACE.

THIS IS THE EXISTING CHURCH THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 1976, THEREABOUTS. THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE SITE. THIS IS RMH OR MOBILE HOME.

AND A PUD I THINK THAT'S THE WOODLAWN PUD.

IT'S ABOUT 473 UNITS, SIMILAR KIND OF DENSITY AS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. THE REMAIN FROM THE BOARD BOF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS HERE.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET MY LAPTOP TO COME BACK ON.

COMMISSIONER DEAN, IT'S IN HIS DISTRICT, AND I THINK THEREFORE HE TOOK IT ON HIMSELF TO MAKE THE MOTION TO REMAND AND DISCUSS IT. GENERAL COMMENTS OF COMMISSIONER DEAN THAT HE MADE AT THE BCC MEETING, REMAND JUST GENERAL OBSERVATION, HE FELT IT WAS A GOOD PROJECT, GOOD PRICE POINT.

I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ANY MINUTE. THE PROPOSAL MAKES SENSE, AND WE'VE OFFERED SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT HOPEFULLY ADDRESS PZA'S CONCERNS. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

REMAND FROM THE PZA -- FROM THE BCC.

SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED AT OUR MARCH MEETING HERE BEFORE YOU THAT YOU RAISED WAS, WAS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH SUFFICIENT FOR THE LEFT CENTER TURN LANE, AND WOULD THE LEFT CENTER TURN WAY INTERACT WITH HOUSE SHOE ROAD SOUTH.

HOW WOULD THAT WORK? SO WE ACTUALLY TOOK THE TIME TO GO THROUGH. RAJESH CHINDALUR IS OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT AND ALSO WE'RE USING DUNN & ASSOCIATES, DAVID TAYLOR IS OUR ENGINEER AND TOGETHER THEY'VE COME UP WITH THESE DRAWINGS. IF I TAKE THIS SECTION AND BLOW IT UP, YOU CAN GET A LITTLE BETTER VIEW.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH IN FRONT OF OUR SITE ANDIT NOT JUST WORKS FOR THE WIDENING, IT ALSO WORKS FOR THE EXISTING SIDEWALK TO REROUTE IT FOR THIS WIDENING.

YOU CAN SEE HOW WE WOULD HAVE A RIGHT DECEL LANE ON THIS SITE.

YOU CAN SEE HOW WE WOULD HAVE A LEFT CENTER TURN LANE INTO THE SITE. MORE IMPORTANTLY, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KB HOME HAS OFFERED TO DO IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT, WAS TO TAKE A LOOK AT FURTHER TO THE SOUTH AND WHAT COULD BE DONE WITH THIS SECTION RIGHT AT HORSESHOE AND THE EXISTING CHURCH, AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS THAT THE LEFT CENTER TURN LANE COULD BE LENGTDED FURTHER TO THE SOUTH AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE A LEFT CENTER TURN LANE ABILITY FOR HORSESHOE, WHICH HAS VERY LIMITED TRIPS, VERY, VERY FEW TRIPS THAT BE WOULD BE TURNING LEFT ONTO HORSESHOE, BUT OBVIOUSLY ON SUNDAY FOR CHURCH SERVICES, TURNING LEFT INTO THE CHURCH ON COMING OUT OF THE CHURCH.

IT DOES MAKE IT -- MAY NOT INCREASE CAPACITY OR NO, BUT IT DOES MAKE FOR A SAFETY IMPROVEMENT, AND KB IS WILLING TO DO THIS A PART OF A SITE-RELATED IMPROVEMENT TO THE PROJECT, FOR THE PROJECT. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE WE BELIEVE WOULD BE USED TOWARDS A TRACK OF SIGNAL. THERE'S A SIGNALIZATION POSSIBILITY AT LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND SAN BASTIAN VIEW.

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THIS IS WHAT THAT INTERSECTION LOOKS LIKE.

TO THE NORTH AT SAN BASTIAN VIEW, THE ROAD OUT IN FRONT OF THIS BUILDING WHERE THE I GOES TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY, THERE IS NO TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE. IT'S POTENTIALLY POSSIBLE THAT A TRACK OF SIGNAL COULD BE ADDED THERE.

OBVIOUSLY IT NEED A WARRANT STUDY AND ALL THOSE THINGS BUT AT LEAST THERE WOULD BE SOME FUNDS FROM THIS PROJECT FOR OUR PROAMPT FAIR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.

WE'RE NOT SAYING WE WOULD RESTRICT THE FUNDS TO OUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE THE IT HAS TO GO BACK TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION FOR THEIR APPROVAL. WE'RE NOT SAYING WE WOULD RESTRICT OUR FUNDS. WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT THE FUNDS WE WOULD BE PAYING FOR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE COULD BE USED FOR A RED LIGHT AT THAT LOCATION.

NOW, PLET ME TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A BIG ISSUE. IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR STAFF REPORT RIGHT NOW, YOUR STAFF REPORT ON AGE 8 SAYS THAT -- AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS NO FAULT OF YOUR STAFF.

THE INFORMATION WASN'T AVAILABLE TO YOUR STAFF WITH WHEN ALL OF THIS WAS GOING TO AND THEY WERE PREPARING THE STAFF REPORT FORWARD TODAY. YOUR STAFF REPORT ON PAGE 8 TALKS ABOUT THE ROAD IN FRONT OF US BEING AT 98.8% CAPACITY, AND YOU LOOK AT THE SPREADSHEET AT THE TIME THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO YOUR STAFF, YOU CAN SEE I HAVE IT UP HERE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE IT SAYS CRITICAL 98.8% CAPACITY.

IF WE LOOK AT THE MORE RECENT TRIP DATA THAT'S COME OUT, IT'S AT 88.3% AND ACTUALLY HAS CAPACITY ON THE ROADWAY.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE NEXT ONE TP.

THIS IS INTERESTING. IT WAS PUBLISHED APRIL 12TH OF 2022. OUR BCC REMAND WAS APRIL 5TH.

SO ACTUALLY IT WAS PUBLISHED SEVEN DAYS AFTER THE PBCC MEETING WHERE THEY REMANDED US BACK TO THIS MEETING.

AND YOU CAN SEE ON LINE 26 WHERE NOW THE LEWIS SPEEDWAY SECTION LINK 26 HAS CAPACITY IN FRONT OF OUR SITE.

IF. ADDITIONALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP AT OUR LAST MEETING WAS DISCUSSION OF THE PRICING OF THE PROJECT. AND OBVIOUSLY PAUL MICHAEL IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THIS, BUT THE THING THAT WE CAN TELL YOU IS IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THE PRICING OF THE UNITS AT THIS PROJECT WOULD BE UNDER $350,000.

ASSUMING EVERYTHING WERE TO GO WELL AND THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED AND BE ABLE TO GET ITS FULL PERMITS AND BE ABLE TO TURN DIRT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, YOU MAY SEE PRICES AS LOW AS $327,000.

OBVIOUSLY, THOSE PRICES COULD GO UP BUT IT IS TWO YEARS WORTH OF PERMITTING, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT $350,000 OR LESS FOR PRICING FOR THE UNITS. IN THE PROJECT.

ONE FINAL LOOK AT THE PROJECT. AND AGAIN, IN CONTEXT OF WHAT'S AROUND IT, WE THINK IT FITS IN VERY NICELY.

IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE. WATER AND SEWER IS AVAILABLE.

AND IT'S IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY.

AND SO 2 THAT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AGAIN, PAUL MICHAEL IS HERE AS WELL.

AND WE ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: DOUG, I HAVE A FEW, AND I SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT A COUPLE OF THESE EARLIER. IT STATES RIGHT UP FRONT IN OUR PACKET, INFORMATION AGENDA PACKET, IT SAYS HERE, THAT THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO TRAFFIC MITIGATION SINCE WE ARE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HEARD THIS ITEM ON MARCH 3RD AND THEN ON APRIL 5TH OR WHATEVER DATE THAT WAS. SO NOW YOU SHOWED THIS NEW TABL TABLE. IT SHOWS THIS IS NO LONGER CRITICAL. AND IT'S GONE DOWN TO, WHAT BE, 83%. IS THAT 98.8% OF ROAD CAPACITY STILL THAT'S CURRENT BASED ON TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC, IS THAT NOT VALID? I MEAN, WHAT IS THE EXACT FIGURE HERE? IS THERE STILL A --

>> A CRITICAL DESIGNATION?

>> SPEAKER: NO, THERE'S NOT A CRITICAL DESIGNATION, ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY AS SPREADSHEET, AND THE THING THAT I WOULD -- LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET TO. I DIDN'T GO BACK FAR ENOUGH.

MY APOLOGIES. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S FINE. TAKE YOUR TIME.

>> SPEAKER: THIS WE JUST WEREN'T TABLE TO SHOW, AND I THINK THIS IS UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE HAD THIS PROJECT AND OBVIOUSLY ANOTHER NEARBY PROJECT COME THROUGH, HAVING HEARD THE

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WE WANTED TO ROOK AT WHAT WOULD BE DONE IN THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY.

AND OUR PRIOR PASSED HEARING, THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS -- PZA HEARING, THERE IS WITH A TREMENDOUS FOCUS, IN OUR OPINION, AN TREMENOUS FOX ON WAS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH ACTUALLY SUFFICIENT TO BE ABLE TO DO THE LEFT CENTER TURN LANE BECAUSE OF THAT WIDENING, BECAUSE IT CAN BE FRANKLY IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NOT SUFFICIENT RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH.

AND SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER DOES THAT WHY AM PACT NEGATIVELY WITH THE ROUNDABOUT THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED BY THE OTHER PROJECT.

I THINK THAT KIND OF DOVETAILED INTO THAT.

WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT BOTH ISSUES. WE'RE NO HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT NOW BECAUSE THAT PROJECT'S NOT CURRENTLY PENDING.

>> PENDING. >> DR. PENDING.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT PROJECT COULD STILL BE DEVELOP ON 1 UNIT PER ACRE, IS THAT CORRECT?

WHAT WAS TURNED DOWN -- >> SPEAKER: BASED ON WHAT I HEARD AT THE PRESENTATIONS. YES, SIR.

BUT WE DID LOOK AT IT AS FAR AS WOULD THIS STILL FUNCTION WITH A ROUNDABOUT EVEN BECAUSE WE WERE PREPARING FOR TODAY, AND IT ACTUALLY WOULD FUNCTION. WE HAVE THOSE DRAWINGS.

WE WE HAVE MADE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL AND EFFORT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WORKS, THIS LEFT CENTER TURN LANE WORKS, AND TO DRAG IT FURTHER SOUTH SO IT WOULD WORK FOR HORSESHOE ROAD AND FOR THE CHURCH. SO I THINK THAT'S THE BIG ISSUE, IS WE THINK THAT CONSIDERING THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CAPACITY, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT SAFETY, AS I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE RELATED TO THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE SO FEW TRIPS. AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT SAFETY, THIS ADDS A SAFETY COMPONENT TO THE PROJECT.

IT ADDS A SAFETY COMPONENT FOR ANYONE WHO IS ON HORSESHOE ROAD WHO IS TURNING OUT TO TURN LEFT. THEY HAVE A LEFT CENTER TURN LANE. IF THEY'RE COMING TO HORSESHOE TO TURN LEFT AND ENTER HORSESHOE THEY WOULD HAVE A LEFT CENTER TURN LANE. ANY TRAFFIC COMING TO IS AND FROM THE CHURCH FOR ANY CHURCH EVENTS NO TWEF A LEFT TURN LANE.

WE THINK THOOS SOMETHING THAT IS MATERIAL THAT WAS ON THE TABLE BEFORE. FRANKLY WE ANALYZED IT TO BE ABLE TO STUDY AND PROPOSAL IT, BUT WE ARE HERE NOW TO PROPOSE

IT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I JUST HAVE THIS QUESTION, AND IT'S FOR YOU AS WELL AS COUNTY STAFF, THAT I SAW A TABLE FROM 2019 THAT SAID THAT SEGMENT 26, LINK 26, LEWIS SPEEDWAY BETWEEN WOODLAWN AND US-1 WAS AT 98.8% OF TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC AND THAT IT WAS CRITICAL, AND NOW YOU'VE GOT THE TBOON LATE OR EVEN . WHAT HAS CHANGED, THAT TRAFFIC HAS ACTUALLY LESSENED SO SUBSTANTIALLY, AND I DID SEE THIS PERSON COMING FORWARD, I JUST WONDERED WHAT THAT IS BASED ON THAT OVER A THREE-YEAR PERIOD, WHEN WE'VE HAD MORE CARS IN THE COUNTY AND ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND WOODLAWN AND US-1, WHAT IS IT BASED ON. WHAT IS ALLEVIATED ALL THAT

TRAFFIC? >> VICTOR, TRANSPORTATION DIVISION. SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS OUR -- NOT OUR MOST RECENT THAT WAS JUST PUBLISH IN APRIL BUT THE ONE BEFORE THAT, WE DID TAKE COUNTS FOR 2020, BUT BECAUSE OF THE COVID THEY WERE VERY SKEWED, SO WHAT WE HAD TO DO AND WE ANALYZED THE DATA, REMINDS HOW SKEWED IT WAS GOING TO BE, SO WE TOOK THE 2019 COUNTS WHICH WERE THE MOST RECENTLY TO BE ACCURATE KENTUCKY AND, AND WE DID A TWO-YEAR GROWTH RATE, SO A PROJECTION OF WHAT THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE IN 2020 WITH THE GROWTH RATE APPLIED. SOMETIMES -- IT'S AS ACCURATE AS WE CAN GET IT WITHOUT ACTUAL COUNTS.

SO WHEN WE DID DO THE 2020 COUNTIES COUNTS AND ANALYZED IT, WE FOUND THE ACTUAL COUNTS TO BE A BIT LESS THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATED WITH THE GROWTH RATE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO THESE WERE FROM ACTUAL, SAY, TABLES ACROSS THE ROAD AND TRAFFIC COUNTERS?

>> THE MOST REASON ONES? >> DR. HILSENBECK: YES.

>> CORRECT. THE 2022 WAS OUR MOST RECENT ACTUAL COUNTS. THE PREVIOUS SPREADSHEET WAS THE 2019 SPREADSHEET WITH THE GROWTH RATE ADDED BECAUSE THE KNACK RAS

OF THE COVID ISSUE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU MENTIONED THE COVID WORD AGAIN AND I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP. DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE LOWER TRAFFIC COUNTS ARE AN ARTIFACT OF THE TWO-YEAR COVID PANDEMIC AND FEWER PEOPLE POTENTIALLY DRIVING AND THAT THAT IS GOING

TO CHANGE MOVING FORWARD? >> I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE, BUT USING THE GROWTH RATE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 100% ACCURATE.

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THAT'S WHY THERE COULD BE SOME FLUCTUATION.

OBVIOUSLY 2022 IS BASED OFF OF ACTUAL TRAFFIC ON THE ROADS, SO THAT IS GOING TO BE THE MOST ACCURATE AT THIS TIME.

THE 2019 GROWTH RATE, IT JUST ANTICIPATED A LITTLE MORE THAN

THE ACTUAL THAT WE SEE NOW. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO YOU'RE STANDING HERE TODAY SAYING THAT BASED ON TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC FOR SEGMENT 26, LEWIS SPEEDWAY BETWEEN WOODLAWN AND US-1, THAITSZ NO IS THAT IT IS NO LONGER CRITICAL AND THATD TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC AT THAT ROAD IS NOT AT

98.8%? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I FIND THAT VERY INTERESTING.

OKAY. THAT IS I GUESS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR YOU, BUT THAT WAS VERY ILLUMINATING.

THANK YOU. SO, MR. BURNETT, SIR, I HAVE SOME OTHER CONCERNS. AND I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE AND I MENTIONED IT AT THE LAST PZA MEETING.

THE UP UPSOAJ FROM RES-B TO RES-C, YOU'RE NEARLY DOUBLING THE NUMBER OF UNITS YOU COULD HAVE ON THERE GOING UP TO 96 -- 92, EXCUSE ME, ALTHOUGH IT STATES FURTHER DOWN IN YOUR APPLICATION, AND I'M NOT SURE WHY YOUR APPLICATION DIDN'T CHANGE BETWEEN MARCH 3RD AND NOW.

I'VE LOOKED AT A CAREFULLY AND I THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS BASICALLY THE SAME IN THERE. THERE WERE NO CHANGES UNTIL I SPOKE WITH YOU THIS MORNING, AND YOU SAID THIS WAS COMING.

AND NOW WE HAVE A HANDOUT WITH -- IT STILL STATE'S HERE, TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC IS CRITICAL AND 98.8% OF CAPACITY IN BLUE ON THIS HANDOUT WE JUST WERE HANDED TODAY.

>> IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT, THAT HANDOUT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE APPLICANT. THAT HANDOUT HAS TO DO WITH I BELIEVE, AND WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR STAFF, THERE WAS AN INACCURACY IS IN THE IN THE STAFF REPORTED RELATED TO PRIOR DATA THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NEW SPREADSHEET THAT YOU'VE BEEN SHOWN TODAY AND THE INFORMATION THAT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER JUST PROVIDED TO YOU AND SPOKE ABOUT.

THAT HANDOUT IS REALLY BECAUSE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SAID, YOU HAVE A TYPO, AN INACCURACY IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, AND SO NOW

YOU HAVE THE CORRECTION OF THAT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT I WAS

TYPO BEFORE? >> SPEAKER: NO, NO, NO.

LET ME MAKE SURE -- >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M SORRY.

>> SPEAKER: THE 2019 INFORMATION THAT SAID YOU HAD 98%, THAT'S NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INCORRECT AT THAT TIME.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS ON THAT PAGE THERE WAS A TYPO THAT YOUR STAFF MADE, AND A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC POINTED THAT OUT AND THAT'S HOW THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED TO YOU.

INDEPENDENT OF THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE NOW WE KNOW SUBSEQUENT TO APRIL 12 WHEN THE NEW SPREADSHEET CAME OUT BASED ON ACTUAL TRIP DATA AND TRIP COUNTS, THAT WE KNOW NONE OF THE INFORMATION ON THAT PAGE IS REALLY ACCURATE.

3. IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE A NEW SPREAD STHEET THAT CAME OUT BAWDZ ON

ACTUAL THRICHES. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

INTERESTING. VERY INTRIGUING.

>> SPEAKER: BRAS THE LAST THING I WANTED WAS A HOND-OUT.

WE DIDN'T ASK FOR A HANDOUT. THAT'S COMING FROM YOUR STAFF,

NOT FROM THE APPLICANT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

I BELIEVE YOU. SO YOU NEARLY -- YOU TWAN TO DOUBLE WITH NEARLY, THE NUMBER OF -- WELL, MORE THAN DOUBLE BECAUSE GOING FROM 44 UNITS, WHICH WOULD BE UNDER RES-B, TO 92 UNITS UNDER RES-C. I MEAN, YOU COULD EVEN GO HIGHER BUT YOU'RE LIMITING IT TO 92. FURTHER DOWN IN YOUR APPLICATION MATERIALS I SAW SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT -- LET ME SEE HOW MANY UNITS IT WAS. THERE WAS SOMETHING FURTHER DOWN. I THOUGHT -- YEAH, YOU OF STILL IN THERE, IN YOUR PUD REQUEST, IT SAYS, "THE NUMBER IS ANTICIPATED THAT AT MILLS PLACE PUD IT WILL CONTAIN 103 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS AT APPROXIMATELY 4.3 UNITS PER ACRE." THAT'S DOWN IN APPLICATION MATERIALS.

SO THAT IS NO LONGER CORRECT. YOU'RE GOING FOR 92 UNITS, BUT THAT'S STILL MORE THAN DOUBLE THE RES-B.

SO I COPIED THIS DIRECTLY FROM THE MATERIALS WE HAD.

I JUST WONDERED WHAT WAS CORRECT, 103 OR 92.

I ASSUME YOU'RE GOING TO SAY 92. >> IT'S 92 IN THE STAFF REPORT FOR BOTH THE COMP PLAN AMOUNT OF AND THE 23 PUD.

IT'S 92 IN THE COMP PLAN AMOUNT OF JUSTIFICATION.

IT IS 92 IN THE PUD TEXT, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'D BE HELD

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU. BUT THERE'S STILL, YOU SAID THERE'S NO REALLY THAT MUCH NEW TRAFFIC ON THERE, AND I KNOW IT'S THE P.M. PEAK DAILY TRIPS THAT EVERYONE IS SO CONCERNED ABOUT, AND THAT DETERMINES PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AND ALL THAT, BUT STILL, YOU'RE PROJECTED TO HAVE 935 DAILY TRIPS COMING OUT TON LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT STILL, 935 DAILY TRIPS?

>> SPEAKER: CORRECT. TYPICALLY IT'S 10 TIMES THE

AMOUNT OF OF THE PMP LOOSELY. >> DR. HILSENBECK:ING WHY, AND I'LL HAVE TO SAY. I SAID THIS BEFORE.

I'M OKAY WITH RES-B FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT UNU. UPZONING IT TO RES-C I'M NOT OKAY WITH. THAT JUST SEEMS OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THAT AREA TO THE SOUTHEAST SOUTHEAST, ON THE EAST, TO THE NORTH. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF LARGER ACREAGE LOTS THOSE LOTS WITHIN THE HORSESHOE LOOP THERE ARE LARGER. I COULD VOTE FOR RES-B ON THIS BUT RES-C, THAT UPZONING SEEMS TO ME TO BE OUT OF CHARACTER WITH USES IN THAT AREA, SO I'M GOING TO STUCK WITH THAT.

I THINK THAT'S OUT OF CHARACTER. YOUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE, $468,359. SO THAT'S GOING TO COVER THE LEFT TURN LAWN AND MAYBE FURTHER DOWN SOUTH THE CHURCH.

IS THAT CORRECT? WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THAT? BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT SAN SEBASTIAN VIEW AND LEWIS SPEEDWAY, WOULD THAT BE PART OF YOUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AS WELL AS THE TURN LANE? WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE USED FOR? AND AS YOU SAID, YOU'RE NOT LIMITING WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR, BUT CAN YOU DECKS INNATE WHAT IT'S USED FOR? DESIGNATE WHAT IT'S USED FOR?

>> SPEAKER: THE ISSUE RELATED TO TURN LANES AND ANY KIND OF ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS IS YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE SITE ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS VERSUS IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO THE ROADWAY.

SO YOU HAVE, INDEPENDENT OF YOUR PROJECT, IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY BE NEEDED TO ROADWAYS BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT CURRENTLY IS ON THE ROADWAY. WHEN YOUR PROJECT COMES IN, YOUR PROJECT HAS TWO ISSUES. ONE, SITE ACCESS.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IN AND OUT OF A PROJECT.

AND THEN TWO, WHAT LIMITATIONS ARE THERE ON THE ROADWAY BEFORE YOUR PROJECT AND AFTER YOUR PROJECT.

WHAT CHALLENGES ARE THERE WITH THE ROADWAY.

SO WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT SITE ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO THE TURN LANES. SO IF YOU HAVE SO MANY UNITS ON YOUR PROJECT, YOU TRIP A RIGHT DECEL LANE.

NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE DOLLARS FOR CAPACITY OFT HIGHWAY.

IT'S HOW TO YOU GET IN AND OUT OF YOUR PROPERTY.

WE FRIDAY. A RIGHT TURN LANE AND A LEFT CENTER TURN LANE. SO WE HAVE TO DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. WHAT WER SAYING IS WE WILL AS PART OF OUR SITE ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS -- I'M LOOK LIKE TO PAUL TOO GET THE NOD -- AS PART OF OUR SITE ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS WE'LL ACTUALLY DRAG THE TURN LANE FURTHER SOUTH AND COMMIT TO DOING WHAT WE'VE SHOWN THE IN DRAWINGS AND THE WAY IT WORKS IS THAT WE'LL HAVE THIS LEFT CENTER TURN LANE THAT SERVES THE CHURCH, AND IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION WOULD SERVE HORSESHOE, SOUTH HORSESHOE ROAD, AND SO THAT'S SITE ACCESS.

THAT'S INDEPENDENT OF ANY DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD BE CONSIDERING RELATED TO PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.

THAT'S ALSO INDEPENDENT OF DOLLAR AMOUNTS WE WOULD BE EK SEEING ANY KIND OF IMPACT FEE CREDITS FOR.

INDEPENDENT OF THAT ISSUE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WE KNOW WE'VE GOT TO DO A PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.

THE EXACT AMOUNT HASN'T ACTUALLY BEEN DETERMINED EPILEPTIC.

WE'RE BAIGHT FOR THE FINAL FROM JAN TRANTHAM I GUESS AND PHONG BUT I THINK JAN IS THE STAFF THAT I'M WORKING WITH.

AS I UNDERSTAND FROM RAJESH CHINDALUR, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, JAN TRANTHAM HASN'T GIVEN US HER FINAL DETERMINATION FOR I A NUMBER. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE KNOW THE NUMBER IS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT AND THOSE FUNDS COULD BE USED FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE OBLIGATING THE COUNTY TO DO THAT OR WE WOULD PROPOSE THE COUNTY TO DO THAT. WE JUST KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE UNDERSTAND FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR THAT PURPOSE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU KNOW WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MAINLY HERE, REALLY, IS A MAJOR CONCERN TO ME, IS NOTHING YOU'VE DONE, THAT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR EXPERTISE.

YOU'RE VERY GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO AND YOU'VE REPRESENTED KB FOR A LONG TIME AND YOU'VE GOTTEN MANY, MANY OF THEIR PROJECTS

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I DROVE BY IT TODAY, AGAIN JUST TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN, SEE THAT WHOLE SETUP WITH LEWIS SPEEDWAY, AND THE NARROWNESS OF THE ROAD, AND THERE MAY BE NEEND THE INDEED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT THAT'S REALLY NARROW IN THERE, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THEN YOU HAVE NORTH HORSE SHOO, SOUTH HORSE SHOO RIGHT ACROSS.

YOU'RE RIGHT IN THAT BLIND CURVE.

AND PUTTING IN A CENTER LEFT TURN LANE, PEOPLE COMING SPEEDING AROUND THAT CURVE. I HAD SOMEBODY TAILING ME TODAY BECAUSE I WAS COMING NORTH, AND I COULDN'T LOOK AS WELL AS I WANTED TO, BUT SOMEBODY COMING SOUTH ON THERE AROUND THAT CURVE, A BLIND CURVE, AND THEN ENCOUNTERING SOMEBODY IN A LEFT CENTER TURN LANE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THE STATISTICS ON THAT -- MAYBE SOMEBODY DOES -- BUT THOSE SEEM INHERENTLY DANGEROUS TO ME.

THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME. AND THEN WHEN YOU UPZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RES-B TO RES-C, YOU MORINELLO DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF HOMES ON THERE. MORE THAN DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF HOMES ON THERE. THIS IS NOT A REFLECTION ON YOU.

IT'S A REFLECTION ON THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.

THE PROPOSED USE IN UPZONING. I JUST CAN'T SEE IN MY OWN VIEWPOINT ALLOWING AN UPZONING TO GO TO RES-C AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. I ALSO -- I WISH I HAD BEEN ABLE TO LOOK A LITTLE BETTER BUT THIS PERSON WA TAILING ME IN A TRUCK.

I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME SCRUB ON THAT PROPERTY TOO.

>> WAS IT A BLACK TRUCK? >> DR. HILSENBECK: YEAH, IT WAS YOURS. [LAUGHTER] YOU WERE ALREADY IN THE PARKING LOT WHEN I GOT HERE.

IT WAS MEGAN. IT WASN'T.

I KNOW YOU HAVE AIR SUBURBAN. WHATEVER.

IT'S A NICE VEHICLE. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A STICKING POINT TO ME. PLUS WHEN YOU SHOW THE RES-B WHB, WHEN YOU SHOW THE FLUE MAP, IT STICKS UP TO ME TRYING TO GO SORE THUMB STICKING UP ABOVE WHAT IS ALREADY IN RES-C.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHERE IT IS NOW.

IT'S ALREADY BUILT OUT. THAT'S SAN SALITO AND HERITAGE PARK AND ALL THAT DOWN THERE BUT THEY'RE DUMPING A LOT OF TRAFFIC ONTO WOODLAWN AND LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

SO ANYWAY, IT'S ASTOUNDING TO ME THAT TRACK OF COUNTS HAVE CHANGED. I WONDERED IF THERE WERE ANY -- IF THE COUNTY HAD ANY VERIFIABLE INFORMATION, DATA, STATISTICS, WHATEVER, ON ACCIDENTS ALONG LEWIS SPEEDWAY, PARTICULARLY RELATED TO TRAFFIC ON THAT BLIND CURVE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHO TO ASK, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S HERE THAT COULD ANSWER THAT. I DON'T SEE ANY PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS IN HERE. BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTAL SITUATION ON THAT -- ACCIDENT SITUATION ON THAT STRETCH. SO HERE'S A STATEMENT THAT I PULLED OUT IT. SAYS IN TERMS OF COMPATIBILITY, HERE'S THE DEFINITION PARTLY OF COMPATIBILITY.

IT SAYS A CONDITION IN WHICH LAND USES CAN COEXIST IN RELATIVE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER IN A STABLE FASHION OVER TIME SUCH THAT NO USE IS UNDULY NEGATIVELY IMPACTED OR DIRECTLY DIRECTLY -- NO USE IS UNDULY NEGATIVELY IMPACTED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY ANOTHER USE. I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HORSESHOE AND UP LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND AREAS LIKE THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE UNDULY NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY THIS.

I DON'T THINK GOING TO RES-C HERE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE USES SURROUNDING IT. SO I'M GOING TO STOP FOR NOW, BUT I MAY HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. YOU'RE VERY GOOD AT IT.

AND IT'S JUST THE LOCATION OF THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR UPZONING,

IN MY OPINION. >> MR. MATOVINA: MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS. I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU, DR. HILSENBECK, AS FAR AS COMPATIBILITY PER RESIDENTIAL C.

YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL C TO THE EAST AND YOU HAVE IT TO THE SOUTH, SO I MEAN, IT IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL C, AND I THINK IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.

AND AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC, I WASN'T HERE WHEN YOU DID YOUR ORIGINAL PRESENTATION, BUT I DID HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT GOING LEFT

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APPLICATION. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PETER.

>> MR. PETER: I JUST HAD A QUESTION, CLARIFICATION FOR MY OWN. IS THE SOUTHERN EXTENSION OF THE CENTER LEFT TURN LANE, IS THAT THE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION THAT THE BOARD BROUGHT UP?

>> SPEAKER: I THINK YOU HAVE TWO THINGS.

I THINK PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE WERE HERE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF I'M SPEAKING FROM THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER'S PERSPECTIVE, WE WERE HANDICAPPED BEFORE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TRIP DATA, A SPREADSHEET THAT YOU'RE ASSUMING IS ACCURATE, AND WE FOUND OUT THAT THE ACTUAL TRIP COUNT APPROVED THAT IT'S NOT ACCURATE OR IS NOT AS ACCURATE AS IT WAS ASSUMED.

OBVIOUSLY YOUR STAFF AND TRAFFIC ENGINEERS USED THE BEST DATA AVAILABLE TO THEM AND THEY EXTRAPOLATE FROM THAT TO PROVIDE THE BEST INFORMATION. THAT IS, THOUGH, WHY PRIVATE SECTOR DOES TRIP COUNTS FROM TIME TO TIME, IS TO SEE WHETHER THAT INFORMATION IS CORRECT. WHAT WE LEARNED IS NOW THAT APRIL 12, 2022 SPREADSHEET IS REALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHERE WE WERE BEFORE. BEFORE WE WERE LOOKING AT YOUR IMMEDIATELY ACCESS LINK BEING CRITICAL.

NOW WE'RE AT OUR -- CRITICAL GOING TO DEFICIENT BASED ON OUR FEW ADDITIONAL TRIPS. NOW WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS CAPACITY ON THE ROAD. IT'S OKAY AND IT WILL HANDLE OUR FEW ADDITIONAL TRIPS. SO THERE'S ONE THING.

AND THEN THE OTHER ADDITIONAL THING, THOUGH, THAT WAS QUESTIONED PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE WERE AT PZA WAS THERE A SUFFICIENT RIGHT-OF-WAY TO EVEN DO YOUR TURN LANES.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE PROJECT, BUT SUFFICIENT RIGHT-OF-WAY THERE. AND THEN THE THIRD PIECE OF THAT IS NOW NOT ON DO WE KNOW THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS THERE TO ACCOMMODATED OUR LEFT CENTER SURIN TURN LANE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO DRAG THAT LEFT CENTER TURN LAWN TO THE SOUTH AND BUILD IT WA NO CREDIT FOR IMPACT FEES THAT WOULD THEN SERVE THE CHURCH AND SOUTH HORSESHOE ROAD. SO THERE'S REALLY THREE COMPONENTS TO THAT IS REALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHEN WE WERE HERE

PREVIOUSLY. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYTHING

ELSE, MR. PETER? >> MR. PETER: SO THIS WAS NO DEFENDANT LEFT TURN LANE LAST TIME YOU PRESENTED.

>> SPEAKER: THERE WAS A LEFT TURN LANE SOLELY FOR OUR PROJECT

WHEN WE PRESENTED LAST TIME. >> MR. PETER: SO THE TIRCHES DIFFERENCE. IS YOU EXTENDED IT SOUTH.

>> SPEAKER: AND WE KNOW THAT IT WILL FUNCTION IN THE

RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MR. PETER. I'M GOING TO SUGGEST TO THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT BEFORE WE STATE HOW WE'RE GOING TO VOTE, WE MIGHT WANT TO LISTEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC COMMENT DO SWAY YOU. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

SO I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO LISTEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

DR. MCCORMICK. >> DR. MCCORMICK: YEAH, I DO HAVE A COMMENT AND QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF THE -- [INAUDIBLE] DOUG, I'M COMING FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THIS. YESTERDAY I SPENT TWO HOURS IN THIS ROOM WHERE THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND WE HAD A PRETTY FULL ROOM OF PUBLIC PLUS THIS WHOLE DAIS ALL THE WAY AROUND WERE FULL OF MEMBERS ON EITHER ONE COMMITTEE OR THE OTHER THAT WERE HERE TO DISCUSS THAT. SO I WANT TO GET BACK TO A LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED TODAY, NOT TODAY BUT ON THIS PROPOSAL, AND IT CAME FROM BILL LAZAR, AND BILL SAID, HERE'S -- I'LL GIVE YOU PARTS OF HIS LETTER. FIRST OF ALL SEE HEAD DIANA MILLS WAS AN ADVOCATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT ONE POINT IN HER LIFE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE FAMILY THINKS NOW, BUT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD SITE FOR SOME WORKFORCE HOUSING. IF THE REQUEST IS FOR INCREASED DENSITY, WHICH YOURS IS, AND MOST REQUESTS ULTIMATELY ARE, THEN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THAT INCREASE SHOULD BE TARGETED FOR -- AT OUR WORKFORCE. OUR COUNTY, OF COURSE, IS SUFFERING FROM AN ONSLAUGHT OF OVERPRICED RENTALS AND OVERPRICED HOMES FOR SALE, AND ANY INCREASE FOR INCREASED DENSITY SHOULD ALSO COME WITH A REQUEST FOR A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE SET ASIDE BUT FOR OUR LOCAL WORKFORCE.

NOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT PRICES PERHAPS ON YOUR PROPERTY, HOMES AT LEAST, OF MAYBE YOU'RE D $350,000 WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER

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IF IT'S FOR HOME OWNERSHIP, THERE'S NO REASON THAT SOME OF THE HOMES COULD BE SOLD TO MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES EARNING LESS THAN 120% OF AMI. SO HE'S THROWING OUT SOME PROPOSALS THERE IN TERMS OF, YEAH, THIS IS NOT A BAD PLACE, REALLY, FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING, AND THERE CERTAINLY IS A NEED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING IN OUR AREA.

IN OUR WHOLE COUNTY, REALLY. BUT I GUESS THEN THE REQUEST IS, WELL, IS YOUR DEVELOPER READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME PROPOSAL THAT WOULD MOVE US FORWARD IN TERMS OF EITHER WORKFORCE HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SINCE YOU WANT MORE DENSITY.

>> SPEAKER: I GUESS -- LET ME COME -- LET ME ANSWER THAT IN TWO PARTS. THE FIRST PART IS A LITTLE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE, WHICH I KNOW A DEVELOPER LOOKED AT THIS SITE BEFORE AND PRE-APPED AN APARTMENT PROJECT FOR THIS SITE FOR A WHOLE LOT OF REASONS, AND THAT'S WHILE MS. MILLS WAS STILL ALIVE, FOR A WHOLE LOT OF REASONS AS I UNDERSTAND IT THAT WOULDN'T WORK. AS FAR AS AFFORDABLE, THERE'S ONLY 92 UNITS HERE. IF YOU LOOK AND YOU GO ON KB'S WEBSITE, AS I DID, YOU CAN SEE THE PRODUCTS THAT'S ON THERE, AND THERE'S A RANGE, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A PRODUCT THAT IS IN THIS PRICE RANGE ON THEIR WEBSITE IN OTHER AREAS IN NORTH FLORIDA. IF THIS WAS A PROJECT WE WERE COMING IN AND TRYING TO GET SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DENSITY, AND I KNOW WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE DENSITY RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DENSITY WHERE YOU HAD -- LOOK AT THE WOODLAWN PUD. RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS 473 UNITS.

VERY CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT THE HOME PRODUCT IS THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE. BUT 473.

IF YOU HAD THAT TYPE OF SITUATION AND YOU COULD EASILY HAVE A SECTION OR MORE EASILY HAVE A SECTION THAT IS IN THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING RANGE. TRYING TO GET THE DENSITY OUT OF THIS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

NOW, AT THE SAME TIME, I'LL TELL YOU THIS, THIS IS WHAT'S REALLY PRETTY AMAZING, I THINK. THERE'S NOT JUST A DEMAND FOR SOLELY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THERE'S -- AS ITS DEFINITION IS STRICTLY WRITTEN, BUT THERE IS DEMAND FOR WORKFORCE/AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS THE AVERAGE PERSON UNDERSTANDS IT, AND THAT REALLY IS KB HOMES BREAD AND BURT. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME HOME BUYER, THE HOME PRICES IN THIS RANGE.

IF YOU LOOK RIGHT NOW IN OUR COUNTY AND YOU GO TO AN AREA JUSTES WITH OF THE OUTLET MALL AND STATE ROAD 16, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO WOULD HAVE EVER THOUGHT THAT HOMES WOULD BE -- AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE MLS THEY'RE 500 TO 600,000 DOLLARS.

WOULD WHO HAVE EVER THOUGHT THAT? HERE WE HAVE SOMETHING VERY CLOSE TO THE CENTER OF THE CITY WHERE KB IS TELLING YOU THEY THINK THEIR STARTING PRICING IS GOING TO BE $350,000, MAYBE $327,000.

RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE $327,000 AND WHERE ITS LOCATION IS.

SO, YEAH, WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE FOR YOUR FORMAL DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE BUT IT'S PROBABLY SPHOODZ YOU'RE GOING TO

GET IN THIS LOCATION. >> DR. MCCORMICK: AGAIN, ANOTHER REASON I AM COMING BACK TO THIS IS BECAUSE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALREADY INDICATED THAT THEY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO APPROVE THIS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PASSED DOES IN TERMS IN TERMS OF OUR VOTE. THAT'S KIND OF WHY I'M TAKING THIS POSITION NOW PUBLICALLY, REALLY NEED, AND WHAT THEYHEM TO REALLY NEED MORE THAN ANYTHING IS WORKFORCE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND YOUR SITE MIGHT BE A GOOD ONE FROM THAT STANDPOINT, IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO DO IT, IF YOUR DEVELOPERS CAN AFFORD TO DO IT. THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP.

OTHERWISE, I PROBABLY WOULD BE ON DR. HILSENBECK'S SIDE ON THIS ALL THE WAY. BUT I'M NOT FOR THAT REASON.

>> SPEAKER: I GUESS -- >> DR. MCCORMICK: OKAY?

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THIS IS JUST A PARTIAL REBUTTAL TO WHAT MS. PERKINS SAID, AND I'M GLAD SHE GREEZ WITH ME.

I THINK THAT'S HEALTHY THAT WE CAN DISAGREE AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS UP HERE SO I WELCOME THAT, BUT SHE WAS SAYING SHE THINKS THAT THE RES-C ZONING IS COMPATIBLE BECAUSE TO THE EAST IT'S RES-C, WHICH ON THE MAP ITS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REALITY OF THIS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH, EVEN THOUGH THAT LAND OVER THERE EAST MAY BE ZONED RES-C, YOU LOOK AT THAT, AND WHAT YOU SEE TO THE EAST, THE SOUTHEAST, AND TO THE NORTH

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IT'S ALMOST LIKE OPEN RURAL. THOSE ARE ONE AND GREATER ACRE TRACTS IN THERE. SO I STILL THINK THIS IS INCOMPATIBLE AND THIS AERIAL PHOTO IS PROOF OF THAT AND THE REALITY OF LAND USE CURRENTLY EXISTING.

THANK YOU. AND I'M EAGER TO HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO I'LL BE QUIET. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? BINCHTS MR. CHAIR, BEFORE YOU MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENT MRT

DATA INFORMATION HE HE CAN SH. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

>> DICK SOUSA, CHIEF ENGINEER GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

PASS S SIX YEARS ONLY THREE ACCIDENTS HAPPENING ON LEWIS

SPEEDWAY. >> MR. MATOVINA: WERE YOU

INVOLVED IN ANY OF THOSE? >> SPEAKER: THANKFULLY NOT.

[LAUGHTER]

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.

>> MS. PERKINS: DEBBIE JAMES. CAN YOU SAY THE YOUR MY NAME IS

FOR THE RECORD. >> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS DEBBIE JAMES 557 NORTH HORSESHOE ROAD AND I LIVE ON AN AREA, AND A HALF. EVERYBODY AROUND US AN ACRE, HALF AN ACRE, BUT WE DO HAVE DISTANCE.

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS, WE'RE SO FAR APART.

ANYWAY, THESE CHANGES SOLVE NOTHING.

NOTHING. WE STILL HAVE A DANGEROUS CURVE.

I CAME OUT THIS AFTERNOON TRYING TO GET HERE.

HERE THEY COME BARRELING AROUND THE CORNER.

WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL EVERY SINGLE TIME.

MOST OF THE TIME I DO NOT GO OUT ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

I HAVE TO GO ON SOUTH HORSESHOE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S UNSAFE.

AS FAR AS THE WRECKS, I KNOW OF TWO PEOPLE.

ONE, MY NEIGHBOR DENISE GREER. I READ A LETTER HERE.

SHE WAS COMING LEWIS SPEEDWAY GOING SOUTH, WANTED TO MAKE A LEFT TURN TO HER HOUSE ON NORTH HORSESHOE ROAD.

SHE HAD HER BLINKER ON. SHE WAITED.

AND HERE COMES A CAR SLAMMING RIGHT INTO HER BACK.

IT ALSO PUSHED HER CAR INTO THE ONGOING CAR COMING TOWARDS THE COURTHOUSE. SHE LOST HER JOB.

SHE'S HAD OPERATIONS. SHE WROTE A LETTER, BUT SHE'S NEVER COME TO A MEETING BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT WANT TO RELIVE THIS AGAIN. SHE'S STILL IN BAD SHAPE.

SHE WAS JUST TRYING TO GET HOME ON A DANGEROUS CORNER, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAFE ENOUGH, BUT IT'S NOT, AND THAT'S BEEN MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO? THE OTHER ONE MY NEIGHBOR KATE BROWN, SHE LIVES ON THAT DANGEROUS CORNER.

SHE HAS -- IF SHE WAS HERE, SHE WOULD TELL YOU HOW MANY CARS PILE UP IN HER FRONT YARD TRYING TO MAKE THIS CORNER, TEXTING, DOING WHATEVER, DRUNK, WHO KNOWS, BUT THEY LAND UP ON HER FRONT YARD, ON THE CURB. IT'S DANGEROUS, AND I CAN'T SAY THIS ENOUGH AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE CARS AND MORE IMPACT WITH THE PORTER PROJECT, WHATEVER THEY DO, AND WITH THIS IF IT'S APPROVED. 45, 48 HOUSES, THAT'S EVEN GOING TO MAKE AN IMPACT ON US. ANYWAY, I WANTED TO SAY THOSE TWO THINGS, AND I DO ASK YOU -- YOU DENIED THIS IN MARCH AND THERE WAS A REASON. NOTHING'S CHANGED.

IT'S NOT ANY SAFER. WE'RE STILL ON A DANGEROUS CURVE. WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT TO DENY THIS AND HELP US WHO HAVE BEEN THERE.

I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE SINCE 1976.

IT WAS A DIRT ROAD. THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

I KNOW THE POPULATION CHANGES. WE GO WITH IT.

WE CAN DO IT. BUT WE CAN ALSO CURB AND LOOK AHEAD BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE, AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 3.

>> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU. ALICE DANIELS.

>> SPEAKER: AL-DANIELS 540 NORTH HORSESHOE ROAD.

SEMI HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 48 YEARS, AND IT WAS A DIRT ROAD THE THING THAT I'M MOST CONCERNED WITH IS NOT THE LOCAL TRAFFIC ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY BUT BECAUSE OF WOODLAWN AND THE 312 EXTENSION, LEWIS SPEEDWAY IS LIKE THE THOROUGHFARE TO GO THAT WAY. IF YOU COME OFF 16 AND TURN LEFT ON WOODLAWN AT 4:30 WHEN GRUMMOND GETS OUT, THE TRAFFIC TRYING TO GET ACROSS THE HIGHWAY THERE, IT WILL BE ABOUT TWO BLOCKS IT WILL BE BACKED UP, AND AT 4:30 TRYING TO GET OUT OF HORSESHOE ROAD, YOU JUST CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC.

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IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTH ON US-1, I COULD GO LEWIS SPEEDWAY SOUTHWOOD LAWN AND GO 16 TO 95. IT'S QUICKER, LESS LIGHTS.

IT'S EASIER. AND I THINK IF YOU PUT A LIGHT WHERE THEY'RE SAYING HERE AT SEBASTIAN, WHEN GRUM ONLD GETS OUT ON ITS GOING TO BE BACKED UP TO US-1.

THERE'S JUST A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING THAT WAY.

ANYWAY, I AM VERY CONCERNED BTD TRAFFIC AND I THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU. CARLA QUARTO.

>> SPEAKER: HI. AGAIN.

CARL A QUARTO 4405 UN MANUCY ROAD.

COORDINATING TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND STAFF, TRAFFIC THERE CITY-APPROVED WITH WHISPERINK WITH 102 TOWNHOMES AND 300 PLUS FLAGLER CROSSING'S HOMES ON SAN SANDBAGSIAN ISN'T INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT CONCURRENCY STUDIES SO THAT DOESN'T FIGURE INTO THOSE TRAFFIC NUMBERS, EITHER, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

DON'T FORGET A POTENTIAL PORTER PROJECT AT 157 AND RAVENSWOOD VILLAGE 322 OFF OF CERVANTES TOTALING AT 881 MORE HOMES ON AND OR AN I WHR LEWIS SPEEDWAY MAKING TRAFFIC AND SAFETY MORE AND MORE OF A CONCERN. GOD FORBID THAT 95 SHUTS DOWN OR A WATER MAIN BREAKS ON 16, FORCING DETOURED TRAFFIC DOWN LEWIS SPEEDWAY. WE'VE EXPERIENCED THIS NUMEROUS RHYMES. THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR MILLS PLACE IS 4300 SQUARE FEET. THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE, TO USE THE EXTREMELY SMALL SIDE YARD FOR EQUIPMENT FOR THE HOMES MEANS THE LOTS ARE TOO SMALL TO ACCOMMODATE THE HOME AND ITS NECESSARY EQUIPMENT.

WHY BREAK THE RULES JUST FOR THE SAKE OF CRAMMING MORE HOUSES ONTO A PROPERTY? LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE A125C REQUIRES ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE PROPOSED COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS OR MUST BE PROGRAMMED AND FUNDED THROUGH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SCHEDULE. IF THESE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ARE GOING TO IMPACT LEWIS SPEEDWAY IN THE FUTURE, WHETHE THE NUMBERS ARE THERE NOW, THEY WILL BE IN THE FUTURE, AND THERE'S NO PLANS FOR UPGRADES ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY OR THE OTHER ROADWAYS IN THE 4-MILE RADIUS. THE PROJECT, IF APPROVED 1 WOULD ADD 920 DAILY AND 103 PEAK HOUR TRIPS TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY WITH ITS CURRENT 8900 DAILY AND 1200 PEAK TRIPS.

THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR MILLS PLACE IS 4300.

OOPS. SORRY.

LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE A1311 SAYS COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT RESULT IN AN UNREASONABLE IMPACT SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED.

MILLS ACCESS FALLS BETWEEN THE HORSESHOE NORTH AND SOUTH WHICH WOULD MAKE CURRENT RESIDENTS ALREADY DIFFICULT ACCESS EVEN MORE DANGEROUS. MILLS PLACE REPORTS STATE THAT THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE AN EXPANSION OF ADJACENT RES-C PROPERTIES, NOT MENTIONED IS HORSESHOE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ITS 41 HOMES ON A HALF TO 1 ACRE LOTS LOOKS NOTHING LIKE PROPOSED MILLS PLACE. AND THE PLANTATION NEIGHBORHOODS NORTH IS CLEARLY DUPLEX, NOT CONDOS AS MENTIONED IN THE MILLS REPORT. THE APPLICNT STATES THERE IS A NEED IN THIS AREA FOR MORE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.

WE DISAGREE. >> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU.

CAROL MANNING. I APOLOGIZE.

>> AND A GOT A GOOD HOT AFTEO ALL OF YOU.

WE MET WITH THE ISSUE SIX WEEKS AGO.

>> MS. PERKINS: MA'AM, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS

FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> SPEAKER: CAROL MANUCY AND THE PORTER ROAD EXTENSION 5395. OKAY.

WE MET WITH THE THE SAME ISSUES SIX WEEKS AGO AS WHEN YOU, THE PZA, DENIED THIS. THE ISSUES ARE STILL THE SAME.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED. AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN.

THE REQUEST FOR AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF OUR COUNTY.

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AND YOU CAN REMEMBER THE OVERCROWDING OF LEWIS SPEEDWAY AT THE LEVEL 84% CAPACITY, BUT NOW WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THAT WAS DIFFERENT. SO ANYWAY, PLEASE LISTEN AGAIN TO THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

DENY 14 MILLS. AMENDMENT CHANGE.

THANK YOU FOR OUR CHANCE TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO

OFFER SOME REBUTTAL. >> SPEAKER: I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION EARLIER. LET ME SAY, BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING I SAID WAS INACCURATE. I KNOW WHAT I REPRESENTED TO THE NORTH. THE SPSD PROPERTY IF YOU READ THE LEGAL SCHIPTION FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE, THEY ARE CONDOMINIUMS. THEY HAVE A CONDOMINIUM SET OF COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE. THEY DO LOOK LIKE DUPLEXES SHOW SO I MADE IT CLEAR AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE.

THE PSD UNITS LOOK LIKE A TRADITIONAL COMPLEX HOME BUT TECHNICALLY THEY ARE CONDOMINIUMS. THE THING THAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS THIS ISN'T THE RES-A, RES-B NECESSARILY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S AROUND THIS WHEN YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE RIGHT HERE NEXT TO IT.

THIS IS PROPERTY, WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND THE USES OF WHAT'S AROUND IT, IT FITS. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR FITS.

YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE. YOU'VE GOT TO CHURCH.

YOU'VE GOT MOBILE HOME. YOU HAVE A PUD WITH 473 UNITS ROUGHLY THAT IS SIMILAR. DR. MCCORMICK, YOU'RE THING ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE'RE NO HERE BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOW LONG AND TRYING TO GET THE DENSITY FOR THAT TYPE OF TOWN HOM PRODUCT. IF YOU LOOK TO THE SOUTH OF US, THERE ARE TOWNHOMES IN THIS AREA.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY TOWNHOMES BEING BUILT NEXT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL. YOU WOULD JUST HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DENSITY ON THIS SITE TO GET TO THE NUMBERS TO WORK FOR A TOWNHOME PRODUCT. THIS DEFINED FIT.

AND SO STRIKING THAT BALANCE IS WHY KB LOOKED AT THIS PRODUCT AND THIS PROJECT AND SAID WE HAVE A PRODUCT THAT FITS, THIS WILL WORK. AND IT'S NOT UNLIKE ANOTHER PROJECT THAT THEY'RE DOING UP OFF OF RACE TRACK ROAD.

AND YOU WIND UP WITH VALUES,E NOT WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE AS THAT'S DEFINED, BUT IT'S VERY CLOSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOT A TOWNHOME. YOU'RE LOOKING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME PRODUCT. YOU ACTUALLY OWN YOUR LOT AROUND YOUR HOME. SO THAT'S THE KEY TO THIS, I THINK, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND SAYING, YES, STARTING VALUES MAY BE AS LOW AS $327,000, UN$350,000 FOR HOME FRIESES IN THIS LOCATION WHERE YOU HAVE THE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS OF THE COUNTY, NOT JUST THE COUNTY BUT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL, AND THEN NORTH OF GRUM ONLD AND GRUMMOND AND THE CITY CENTER THIS IS TANNIN CREDIBLE PROJECT TO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY IN THIS LOCATION. WE SUBMIT TO YOU IT REALLY FITS IT. REALLY FITS WHEN, WHEN WE CAME HERE BEFORE AND YOU LOOKED A TRAFFIC, WE'RE ALL BEING TOLD THAT THERE'S NOT CAPACITY ON THIS ROADWAY, AND NOW HERE WE ARE BECAUSE THE SPREADSHEET CAME OUT WITH VERIFIED DATA THAT SAYS, HEY, THERE ACTUALLY IS CAPACITY ON THIS ROADWAY.

SO THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE WHERE WE'RE AT.

AND THROW IN THE FACT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEFT CENTER TURN LANES TO THE CHURCH AND HORSESHOE.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE'S ONLY TWO P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS ON THAT ACCESS POINT OF HORSESHOE. I'D ALSO SUBMIT TO YOU THAT RESPECTFULLY THINGS ARE ALWAYS RELATIVE, AND YOU LOOK AT THIS CORNER AND THIS BEND MAY NOT BE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN OTHER ROADWAYS SUCH AS WHAT I WOULD CALL PALM VALLEY STILL OR MIKE LER WHERE YOU HAVE SOME PRETTY SERIOUS TURNS ON THEM AND BE EVEN HIGHER TRAFFIC VOLUMES WITH DRIVEWAYS DIRECTLY ACCESSING.

SO AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS STRIKES A GOOD BALANCE, WE

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YOU MAY HAVE. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL ONE RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD FROM SOMETHING YOU JUST STATED. YOU SAID THAT NOW AT WITH THEW SPREAD SHEETED OUT WE'VE GOT NEW VERIFIED DATA ON THE TRAFFIC.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE PREVIOUS COUNTS FROM, SAY, 2019 AND SO

FORTH WERE NOT VERIFIED, ALSO? >> SPEAKER: I THINK IS DIFFERENCE IS THIS INFORMATION IS BASED ON, AND AS YOU HEARD YOUR EXPERT STAFF STATE, THIS IS BASED ON COUNTS BEFORE IT WAS

BASED ON EXTRAPOLATED DATA. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I THOUGHT THE THERE WAS A STATEMENT THAT SOME OF THAT WAS EXTRAPOLATION AS WELL AS THE COUNTS. THERE WAS SOME MODELING DONE OR WHATEVER BUT I DIDN'T FULLY EXREND.

SO WE'VE BEEN DIDN'T COMPREHEND. WE'VE BEEN LABORING HERE UNDER MISSCECHTIONZ TRAFFIC DATA. I'M JUST ASTOUNDED, FRANKLY, THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN PROVIDED ACCURATE DATA BEFORE TO MAKE DECISIONS, AND NOW THIS NEW COUNT, THIS IS THE BE ALL, END ALL, AND THIS IS THE NEW VERIFIED DATA.

I JUST -- I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE TO VOTE ON UP HERE, WHICH IS DIFFICULT ENOUGH, BUT NOT HAVING ACCURATE DATA IS REALLY CONCERNING TO ME, SO I. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT, BUT I HAVE PERSONAL SCEPTICISM ABOUT

THE NEW DATA, FRANKLY. >> SPEAKER: THE ONLY THING ELSE THAT I CAN ADD RELATED TO THAT IS YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING ACROSS THE BOARD, AT THE END OF THE DAY LOOKING BEYOND THIS, IT'S UP FOR THE EXPERTS TO LOOK AT IT, THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, WHAT GOES ON WITH THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE. YOU'VE GOT OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

YOU'VE GOT YOUR EXPERT COUNTY STAFF THAT GET TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH THOSE ISSUES. AND THE DETERMINATIONS, IF YOU WILL. THE FINAL THING IS TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY, UNLESS THERE'S AN IDENTIFIED TRAFFIC ISSUE, SHOULDN'T BE THE BASIS FOR DENIAL.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.

WE PAY OUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE TO BE ABLE TO MITIGATE OUR TRAFFIC IMPACTS. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THE TRAFFIC DOES. AND THE THING THAT I WOULD SAY BEYOND THAT IS WHEN YOU HAVE CAPACITY ON THE IMMEDIATE ACCESS LINK, IT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE THE REASON BECAUSE THAT MEANS SOMETHING ELSE IS BROKEN IN A DIFFERENT AREA THAN THE

IMMEDIATE ACCESS LINK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I WILL STIPULATE THIS TO YOU. THIS ISN'T A QUESTION, HOWEVER.

THAT I WON'T BASE MY VOTE ON TRAFFIC.

I WILL BASE IT ON WHAT I CONSIDER INCOMPATIBILITY, AND IT'S GOING UPZONING TO RES-C, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS WARRANTED. I KNOW THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION UP HERE, AND I VALUE THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO BASE MY OPINION ON THAT. I DON'T SEE THAT WE HAVE ANY OBLIGATION TO UPZONE THIS PROPERTY.

IT CAN BE DEVELOPED AS IT IS RIGHT NOW AT RES-B, BUT Y'ALL WANT RES-C, AND I JUST DISAGREE WITH THAT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S COMPATIBLE. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

3. MS. PERKINS.

>> MR. PETER: >> MS. PERKINS: I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT SMALL SCALE 2020-15 MILLS PLACE, A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 24.31 ACRES LAND FROM RES-B TO RES-C BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS

OF FACT. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 5.

IS THERE A SECOND? ANYONE? ALL RIGHT. SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.

SO NOW WE'RE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

ANYONE? I'M GOING TO MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS REAL QUICK. NUMBER OF ONE, THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET AS -- I BELIEVE HAS A ZONING OF RS-2P.

IS THAT A 75-FOOT WIDE LOT? BINCHTS I >> I BELIEVITES 9.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND STOW A 90-Y GET, IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER OF AN ACRE, YOU CAN PROBABLY GET TWO AND A HALF UNITS TO THE ACRE THERE. CAN WE PULL UP THE AERIAL OF THAT AREA LOOK AT THAT BIG PIECE OF LAND

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ANYWAY, THERE'S A BIG PIECE OF LAND THAT YOU COULD GO IN AND PLAT LOTS OFF OF THAT ARE 75 FEET WIDE.

THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO STAY THE WAY IT'S SHOWN AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

NOW, A LOT OF THOSE ARE PROBABLY VERY NICE HOUSES, AND I DOUBTED SOMEBODY WOULD TEAR DOWN A VERY NICE HOUSE TO BUILD MORE THAN ONE HOUSE, LOT HOUSE ON THERE, BUT THEY COULD, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT. NUMBER TWO, I WANT TO SAY THAT IF WE ZONE THIS PROPERTY TO WORKFORCE HOUSING, THAT WOULD ALLOW SIX UNITS TO THE ACRE, WHICH WOULD BE 134, I BELIEVE.

IS THAT CORRECT? IN THE DENSITY IN WORKFORCE

HOUSING, SIX TO ACRE? >> I'LL HAVE TO LOOK UP WORKFORCE HOUSING. IAL APOLOGIZE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THAT'S OKAY. I THINK THAT'S CORRECT.

YOU DON'T NEED TO LOOK IT UP, TERESA.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE VOTE ON THIS ONE. THAT MOTION FAILS 4 TO 2, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER MOTION.

ANYONE? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I WILL MOVE ?

>> MR. MATOVINA: YES. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I MOVE TO DENY CPA SS 2021-14 MILLS PLACE REQUEST FOR A SKAUL SMAIL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 24.21 ACRES LAND FROM RESIDENTIAL B TO RESIDENTIAL C. THIS ITEM -- DO I NEED TO READ THE REST OF THIS? THIS ITEM AS PREVIOUSLY HEARD BY THE PZA ON MARCH 3, 2022, AND RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY WITH A VOTE OF 4 TO 2. THE.

BOARD BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSS REMAND THIS HAD ADVERTISEMENT TO THE PZA AT THE APRIL 25, 2022 HEARING DUE TO SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES REGARDING TRAFFIC MITIGATION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL FROM DR. HILSENBECK. THERE IS A SECOND? A SECOND BY MR. PETER. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. A YES VOTE IS VOTING TO DENY.

A NO VOTE IS VOTING TO APPROVE. OR TO NOT DENY.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT MOTION PASSES 4 TO 2.

NOW, FROM THE CHAIR TO LEGAL, DO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH A PRESENTING AND A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 6 AT THIS POINT?

>> I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS A COMBINED PRESENTATION FOR BOTH ITEMS, SO YOU CAN JUST VOTE ON ITEM 6.

>> MR. MATOVINA: NOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON ITEM

NUMBER 6. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I MOVE THAT WE DENY ITEM 6 PUD 2021-16 MILLS PLACE PUD REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 24.31 ACRES LAND FROM RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY AND OPEN RURAL TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR IRE MAX OF 92 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS.

THIS ITEM WAS PREVIOUSLY HEARD BY THE PZA ON MARCH 3, 2022, AND RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY WITH A VOTE OF 4 TO 2.

THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND REHAND EVER MANNED THIS HAD ITEM TO THE PZA AT THEIR APRIL 5, 2022 HEARING DUE TO SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES REGARDING TRAFFIC MITIGATION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY BY DR. HILSENBECK. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PETER. ANY DISCUSSION? I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A COMMEN. I'M GOING TO VOTE YES ON THIS,

[Items 7 & 8 ]

SO LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. 3.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0.

IT'S A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 7 WHICH IS ALSO MR. BURNETT. THIS IS A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, SO THERE IS NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATION. SMNCHTS WHAT'S THE OLD SAYING? WHEN YOU FALL DOWN, GET LACK UP BEEN.

FOR THE RECORD DOUG BURNETT 104 SEA GROVE MAIN STREET.

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>> MR. MATOVINA: I'VE GOT SO MANY BAND-AIDS UP HERE IF YOU

NEED THEM. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, SIR.

TODAY I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF ASH PROPERTIES, ALSO WHICH IS THE ALSO KNOWN AS AND OFTEN REFERRED TO BY THEIR SELF-STORAGE BUSINESS WHICH IS ATLANTIC SELF STORAGE.

I'LL COME BACK AND DO SOME INTRODUCTIONS IN A FEW MINUTES.

I'LL SHOW YOU THE PROJECT AREA. YOU CAN SEE RACE TRACK ROAD SORT OF MIDWAY BETWEEN I-95 AND EWES 1.

TO THE SOUTH OF IT IS A BIG CONSERVATION AREA, AND FURTHER TO THE SOUTH WHERE THOSE ROADS ARE IS TWIN CREEKS.

YOU CAN SEE YOU NOW THIS AREA OF TWIN CREEKS IS BIG BLUE POND, AND YOU CAN SEE OUR SITE THERE IN THE MIDDLE.

A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK. IN FACT, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS RAINIER LANE DIRECTLY ACROSS RACETRACK, THIS IS WHERE YOUR GROUP WAS THAT YOU WHETHER LOOKING A EARLIER TODAY, SOS CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THAT LOCATION.

A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK. ONE THING TO NOTE IN THIS AERIAL AS WE LOOK AT THIS CLOSER IS THIS IS AN EXISTING CELL TOWER SITE THAT IS NOT PART OF THE PROJECT BUT IT'S THERE OUTSIDE OF OUR BOUNDARY. IT IS SOMETHING THAT SORT OF DEFINES THE SITE TO THE SOUTH, AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE OVERALL BIG PICTURE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL.

THAT'S DURBIN NATIONAL, THE SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL YOU SEE SWEEPING AROUND THIS AREA.

AND THE PUD, PART OF THAT BEING THE RACETRACK PUD AND STONECREST AND ALSO DURBIN NATIONALIST PUD. LOOKING AT OUR SITE, GOT A LITTLE BLOW-UP OF THE SITE DATA TABLE HERE, YOU CAN SEE 4.17 ACRES. PUTTING SOME COLOR TO OUR SITE, THIS IS WHERE THE BUILDING WOULD BE LOCATED APPROXIMATELY AND STORM WATER RETENTION POND. WE WOULD ALSO OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE STANDARD 10-FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER.

AND BLOWING THAT UP A LITTLE LARGER TO WHERE YOU CAN SEE, AND THERE WOULD BE A RIGHT DECEL LANE INTO THE SITE.

AND AGAIN, THAT EXISTING CELL TOWER, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ORIENTED FOR THE SCREEN. YOU'D HAVE TO ROTATE IT COUNTERCLOCKWISE IN ORDER TO HAVE SOUTH ORIENTATION.

LOOKING AT THE SITE AGAIN RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE CELL TOWER OUTSIDE OF OUR PROJECT FOOT PERSISTENT BUT THAT'S WHERE THAT'S LOCATED. AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE AERIAL FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, FROM THE STREET OF RACETRACK, YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACKGROUND THE CELL TOWER.

ALSO INTERESTING TO NOTE, YOU CAN SEE THE HIGH TENSION POWER LINES GOING ACROSS THIS SIDE OF RACE TRACK ROAD THAT LINES THIS PORTION OF RACE TRACK. THE IF THIS WAS CUSTOMER INTENSIVE THEN YOU WOULD BE IN A WAITIONER EVER WHERE PERSONAL PROPERTY BY WAREHOUSE WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

AND LET ME TALK TOY ABOUT ASH PROPERTIES REAL QUICK BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS WORTH MENTIONING. ASH PROPERTIESAL LOCAL LEADER IN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THEY'VE BEEN AROUND OVER FOR THE YEARS, HAVE APPROXIMATELY 11 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF PROPERTY AND GROWING. AND WITH ME TODAY IS RANDALL WHITFIELD, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF ASH PROPERTIES.

ALSO CARTER THOMAS, IN-HOUSE LAND PLANNER, AND GABE BOWMAN BE ABOUT PROJECT MANAGER IS HERE AS WELL.

SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS I HAVE WE HAVE DEPARTMENTS.

I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW. I FLASH IT UP QUICKLY.

JUST A COMPARISON OF SELF STORAGE VERSUS A SHOPPING CENTER, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TRIPS.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE FACED WITH THAT HERE.

BUT I DO WANT TO SHOW YOU AN ELEVATION, AND WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THIS, THIS ISN'T AN ELEVATION DRAWING.

THIS IS AN ACTUAL PHOTOGRAPH OF AN ATLANTIC SELF STORAGE PROJECT. THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT THE INDUSTRY ITSELF HAS HEADED IN FOR THE LAST SEVERAL WHILE, AND I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE BUT I'LL REPEAT IT, YOU LOOK AT THE CONVENIENCE STORES THE AND BIG COMMERCIAL GAS STATIONS WEEK HOW THEIR BINGED OF CHANGED OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, 20 YEARS. THEY'VE BECOME MORE ATTRACTIVE STRUCTURES. THE SAME THING HAS HAPPENED WITH THE SELF STORAGE INDUSTRY. THIEVE JUST GONE THAT DIRECTION.

PART OF THAT, ONE OUR WAIVERS ODDLY ENOUGH IS NOT HAVE A FENCE AROUND THIS BUILDING BECAUSE THESE BUILDINGS ACTUALLY COULD GET TO WHERE YOU'RE ALMOST THINKING WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT THAT THAT COULD BE AN OFFICE BUILDING.

ITES NOT TOO OUT OF CHARACTER FOR AN OFFICE BUILDING.

LUNG A FENCE AROUND IT, A SECURITY FEBS AROUND IT CERTAINLY MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S NOT AN OFFICE BUILDING PLUS THERE'S ON THE AN EVE THERE. THAT IS ONE WAIVERS WE'VE GOHN

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REQUEST. >> MR. MATOVINA: BEFORE WE GO ON TO QUESTIONS, I GOOFED AND WE'RE TAKING ITEMS 7 AND 8 TOGETHER. I ASSUME THAT WAS A PRESENTATION

FOR 7 AND 8. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND SO IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION

TO DECLARE ON ITEM GO? >> DR. HILSENBECK: YES, I SPOKE WITH DOUG BURNETT EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THIS.

>> MR. . >> MR PIERRE: I DROVE BY FROT,

YES. >> MR. MATOVINA:

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DON'T OPPOSE THIS AT ALL. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

THAT, THAT EVER, THAT PHOTO ON THE SCREEN RIGHT THERE, HOW TALL IS THAT BUILDING? DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND?

>> SPEAKER: I WANT TO SAY IT'S SLIGHTLY OVER 40.

45. >> DR. HILSENBECK: IT'S 45.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I HOPE EVERYONE KEEPS THAT IMAGE IN MIND BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM COMING UP, BUT THAT MAY BE RELEVANT TO THAT IMAGE RIGHT THERE, SO THAT'S 45 FEET TALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? SO WE THEN ARE LOKING FOR A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 7.

[INAUDIBLE] H.

[INAUDIBLE] IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY DR. MCCORMICK. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> MR. MATOVINA, FOR CLARIFICATION, DR. HILSENBECK IS READING FROM THE SUMMARY IN THE AGENDA ITSELF.

AM I TAKING YOUR MOTION TO INCLUDE THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL?

[INAUDIBLE] >> DR. HILSENBECK: I CAN'T SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THAT BUT I WILL SAY YES, I DON'T OBJECT TO

THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. DR. MCCORMICK, DO YOU SECOND

THAT STILL? >> DR. MCCORMICK: OH, YEAH, I

DID SECOND IT. >> MR. MATOVINA: THE MOTION HAS CHANGED. [INAUDIBLE]

>> DR. MCCORMICK: SO WE HAVE A MOTION IS AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. SO ITEM NUMBER 7 IS APPROVED.

LET'S MOVE ON TO A MOTION ON A ITEM NUMBER 8.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I'LL MOVE PUD 2021-25 6148 RACE RACK ROAD, REQUEST TO REZONE -- OR SHOULD I BE READING OFF SOMETHING ELSE

HERE? >> YOU CAN READ THAT OR --

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAVE BEEN HANDED SOMETHING ELSE HERE.

[9. CPA(SS) 2022-03 7501 Cowpen Branch.]

APPROVE MOTION TO ROOM PROOFL OF PUD 2021-25 6148 RACE TRACK ROAD BASED ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION FOR APPROVAL DIE DR. HILSENBECK, SECOND BY DR. MCCORMICK. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES.

AND WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 9.

AND THIS IS MR. LEE. AND THIS IS A PROPOSED LAND USE CHANGE. BUT LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION BEFORE WE TAKE THIS ITEM UP. HOW MANY SPEAKER CARDS DO WE HAVE ON THIS? WE HAVE NONE ON 9.

OKAY. MR. LEE.

PLEASE PROCEED. >> SPEAKER: TYLER LEE.

I'M TRYING TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE TO RESIDENTIAL, FROM AGRICULTURE BECAUSE IT'S ROUGHLY ALMOST 17 ACRES, AND I GUESS IT NEED TO BE 29 TO PUT ONE HOUSE ON IT, A PERSONAL RESIDENCE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REPORT, SIR?

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S ABOUT IT. I JUST WANT TO BUILD MY HOUSE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. LEE? NO SPEAKER CARDS. STILL NONE? OKAY. WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A

MOTION. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I MOVE WE APPROVE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT

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>> MR. MATOVINA: I'VE GOT A MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMITTEE. I WILL GIVE TO IT DR.

[10. PUD 2022-04 Madison St. Augustine PUD.]

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS

TO DECLARE? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DID SPEAK WITH MR. JOE MCANARNEY ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. BRAD WESTER, DRIVER MCAFEE.

IT'S 1 INDEPENDENT DRIVE, JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA 22022.

THIS IS STARKLY TIRCHT FROM THEP PZA MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO THAT I WAS AT. NOT ONE SOUL IN THE AUDIENCE.

NEVERTHELESS WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH TODAY AND TAKE ALL THE CONSIDERATION IN HAND. I'M HERE TO PRESENT A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT AND I PREPARED A PRESENTATION, AND THIS IS' EFFECTS DLI CALLED MADISON ST. AUGUSTINE PUD RENTAL COMMUNITY. ST. AUGUSTINE, MYSELF APPLICANT AGENT, WE HAVE MY CIVIL ENGINEERING WE ARE TRAFFIC ENGINEER UNFORTUNATELY HAS COVID RIGHT NOW SO I'M GOING TO PLAY TRAFFIC ENGINEER TODAY TO THE BEST OF MY A BIMENTS BUT WE HAVE ALL THE DATA AT HAND AND HOPEFULLY STAFF FROM THE COUNTY WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE THEM AS WELL AND OUR ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF BRIAN SPAR.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A REZONING FROM COMMERCIAL GENERAL, CG.

IT WAS REZONED BACK IN 1989. THAT'S ON THE OTHER HAND 1989-26. TWO PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS LOCATED ON 19.22 ACRES AND THE REQUEST IS FOR 238 UNITS.

218 OF THOSE ARE CONVENTIONAL APARTMENT STRUCTURES, AND 20 OF THEM ARE TOWNHOME UNITS. THE THIS IS ON A VACANT INFILL PROPERTY IN AN URBANIZED MIX USE CORRIDOR.

THERE IS 3 ISN'T 60 ACRES WIE WETLAND AND TWO REMAIN THE FEDERAL INJURIES LICKSAL ALMOST.WGHT 4 ACRES.

THERE ARE NO FLOODPLAINS, SPECIES OR HAD AN AT THAT TIME OF CONCERN. 25% OPEN SPACE WILL RAIM AND 2.49-ACRE OF RECREATION FAIS SPAS ARE PROPOSED ON THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE LOCATION.

IT'S AT THE CORNER OF KENTON MOARSON AND STATE ROAD 16 NEAR THE COLLEGE AND ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE GOLF COMPOSER AND THE PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER JUST TO THE WEST.

THIS IS MORE OF A CLOSE-UP VERSION AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE VACANT, UNDEVELOPED 19.22 ACRES SURROUND BY A MIXTURE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

IT IS LOCATED IN A MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE EXACT, IMOORNGD TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THE MAKE-UP THERE.

IT'S PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL C ON THE PERIPHERY OF THE INTERSECTION AND STATE ROAD 16 AND KENTON MORRISON AND THEN AROUND THE NODE ITSELF OF INTERSECTION AND ALONG STROOT SE ROAD 16 IS THE MIXED USE DISTRICT SO WE RESIDE IN THAT.

CURRENTLY IT COMMERCIAL GENERAL. YOU SEE THE ROUTE OUTLINE THERE.

NEXT TO THE OPEN RURAL PORTION RIGHT AT THE CORNER, WHICH I'LL TAKE MY POINTER HERE, THAT IS THE FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL STATION. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS OUT THERE.

SO THIS IS THE WETLAND COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE BUILT UP THERE. WE'VE GOT SEVERAL WETLAND FINGERS VERSING NORTH AND SOUTH ON THE PROPERTY.

THE FEDERAL JURISDICTION WET NGD ARE THERE THIS ONE WHERE MY POINTER IS INDICATING RIGHT NOW. IT ACTUALLY FEEDS UP INTO NORTH THAT OF A CONNECTED DITCH TWO OTHER WATERED WAYS.

THE REST OF IT IS ISOLATED POCKETS OF LOW QUALITY WETLAND.

AND THEN ON TO THE RIGHT HAVE A TOPOGRAPHIC USGS SURVEY MAP INDICATING THE GENERAL CONDITIONS OF THE AREA.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE WYATT WASHED NATURE OF THIS, BUT TS THIS PUD.

THIS PS MDP SITE PLAN SO YOU ALL HAVE COPIES OF THIS IN FRONT OF

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WE HAVE OUR MASTER STORM WATER POND.

SEVERAL CONVENTIONALLALLAL APARTMENT THREE-STORY APARTMENT USES. AND THEN TOWNHOME INTEGRATED THROUGHOUT THE SITE DESIGN. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAVE PARKING, CLUBHOUSE AMENITY CENTER, AND VARIOUS POCKETS OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

IT DOES HAVE TWO ACCESS POINT. ONE PRIMARY ACCESS POINT OUT TO STATE ROAD 16. WE HAVE MET WITH FDOT ON THAT AND IT WILL BE A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY TO STATE ROAD 16.

AND THEN A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT OUT TO KENTTON MOARSON WHICH LINES UP RIGHT AT THE TIME SHOPPING CENTER ACCESS POINT.

THE WAIVERS WE'RE REQUESTING IS TWO OF THEM ONE 50-FOOT SETBACK FROM ARTERIALS AND MAJOR COLLECTOR RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL LOT. NOW, WE'RE NOT A RESIDENTIAL LOT, PER SE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION OR TOWNHOME COMMUNITY THAT WOULD HAVE FEE SIMPLE TITLE, BUT WE'RE REQUESTING AS A RESULT OF THAT A REDUCTION TO 20 FEET WHICH IS STILL GREATER THAN THE 10-FOOT PERIMETER PUD BUFFER AND A TYPE A AND PERIMETER BUFFER AROUND THE PUD.

SO 50 TO 20 JUST ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF STROOT 16.

THE NEXT ONE IS REDUCTION FROM 2.9 ACRES ACTIVE RECREATION ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF, AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A REDUCTION TO 2.49 ACRES. SO 2-1/2 ACRES OF RECREATION ON THE PROPERTY. AND THAT REASONING IS OFFSET IF AND SUPPLEMENTED BY TURBAN INFILL CEARKTS OF THE PROPERTY SCHS CONNECTED BY SIDEWALKS TO ALL OF THE PARKS, USES, SERVICES, COMMERCIAL AND THE LIKE.

NAMELY, AS I STUDIED THIS, THE TRAILHEAD TO THE TWELVE MILE SWAMP CONSERVATION AREA, IT'S ALL CONNECTED BY SIDEWALKS AND LIT UP WITH CROSSWALKS ACROSS 16.

JOE PALMER POE MAR PARK, ROYAL SANTIAGO FACILITIES 18 WHOLE GOLF COURSE WHICH IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

IT'S A PUBLIC GOLF COURSE BUT IT IS A GOLF COURSE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND THEN THE COLLIER BLOCKER PURYEAR PARK. THIS IS A MAP OF THE CONCURRENCY AND ROADWAY SYSTEM. AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE TO STUDY THE ROADWAYS WITHIN A 4-MILE RADIUS OF OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THERE HAVE BEEN TWO ROADWAY SEGMENTS IDENTIFIED, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY HOLMES ROAD IN IN AREA WHICH FEEDS RIGHT OFF KENON MORRISON, AND AS A RESULT WE ARE REQUIRED TO PAY 871,637TH FOR OUR FAIR SHARE IMPACTS FOR THE ROADWAY RELATED TO THIS PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A COMPATIBILITY MAP, AND SH THIS SHOWS BASICALLY, IT'S CONTENT OF THE MUPT FAMILY REQUEST IN RELATION TO THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES AROUND THERE. THIS WAS PREPARED BY THE COUNTY, AND THIS SHOWS ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL USES AROUND THERE, MISSION TRACE, ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE.

WE HAVE A MIRK CHIEWK OF MIXED FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY.

OAK VILLAGE OAKS. YOU CAN SEE IT LINES UP IN CONTEXT TO THE PROPERTY ALONG STATE ROAD 16.

COMPATIBILITY REVIEW. THIS IS AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN AN URBANIZED SETTING. AS WE ALL KNOW STATE ROAD 16.

ITS NOT URBAN SPRAWL. IT'S INFILL.

IT COMPLEMENTS THE NIX CHEWER OF USES AND THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING AREA. IT DOES PROVIDE A DIVERSIFIED HOUSING OPTION FOR WORKERS AND FAMILIES PAIPTS FULLY INTERSECTED BY SIDEWALKS CERTAINLY.

SPHWERNLY AND EXTERNALLY PO TO ALL OF COMMERCIAL WIEWSES PARKS, SCHOOLS, WE HAVE THE SHOPPING CENTER NEXT DOOR, WE'VE GOT TO STATE COLLEGE JUST TOWER SOUTH. YOU CAN RIDE OR WALK PAY BIKE INTO ST. AUGUSTINE ITSELF. IT'S NOT VERY FAR AT ALL.

CLOSE PROXIMITY TO MANY USES AND SERVICES, AND REDUCED NUMBER OF TRIPS AND ACCESS POINTS COMPARED THE TO CONDITIONS THAT WERE APPLIED IN THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING FROM 1989-26.

1989-26 WAS A CONVERTED THE PROPERTY FROM A MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL USE IN THE LATE 80S TOSSES A COMMERCIAL USE, AND IT HAS SAT VACANT FOR 30 YEARS.

AND CLEARLY THE MARKET HAS DETERMINED THAT IT IS MORE SUITABLE FOR A MULTI-FAMILY USE. AND AS SUCH, WE HAVE REDUCED OUH I'LL GO INTO, BUT ANYWHERE -- IF IT WERE TO REMAIN COMMERCIAL, IT HAS A CAP OF 175,000 SQUARE FEET ON THAT PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S THE CONDITION THAT WAS APPLIED IN 1989.

THAT EQUALS 7 NOW PLUS DAILY TRIPS -- 7,000 PLUS AND 599 PEAK HOUR P.M. TRIPS. OURS IS IN THE 1400 RANGE OF DAILY TRIPS AND 1:23 P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE FOUR PLUS TIMES DIFFERENCE OF REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF TRIPS IF IT WERE TO STAY AS COMMERCIAL AND BE

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IN THE INTERESTS OF TIME AND EVERYBODY THAT HAS SHOWED UP, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE PRESENTATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO GO STRAIGHT AND QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AND HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, AND I KNOW REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COLLEGE ARE HERE AS WELL AND, OF COURSE, THE BOARD.

SO I TURN IT BACK TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: WELL, I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER EX PARTE TO DECLARE, AND THAT'S THE FACT THAT I DROVE BY THERE TODAY. SORRY I OMITTED TO SAY THAT.

IN FACT, I LEFT MY HOUSE EARLY TODAY SO I COULD DRIVE BY THAT, AND THEN I WANTED TO DRIVE UP WOODLAWN AND HIT LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND GO PAST THE MILLS PLACE AND ALL THAT.

SO ANYWAY I DID DRIVE BY IT. I ALSO DROVE UP AND DOWN STATE ROAD 16 AS I HAVE MANY, MANY TIMES BEFORE, BUT I WAS TRYING TO LOOK FOR BUILDINGS ALONG STATE ROAD 16 NEAR OR ANYWHERE CLOSE TO YOUR PROPOSAL HERE THAT HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE 60 FEET TALL. DO YOU KNOW OF ANY?

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T. WE ARE NO PROPOSING A 60-FOOT TALL BUILDING. WE'RE GOING TO BE LIMITED TO

THREE STORIES. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

I THOUGHT ONE OF YOUR WAIVERS WAS FOR A 60-FOOT -- YOU HAVE A 50-FOOT SETBACK AND THEN THE REDUCTION IN PARK SPACE, RIGHT?

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO YOU'RE

NOT SEEKING A 60-FOOT TALL. >> SPEAKER: NO, SIR, THERE IS NO WAIVER AT ALL. YOU DO NOT NEED A WAIVER FOR A HEIGHT MIXED USE BUT THE 60-FOOT WAS PUT IN ARE THERE FOR ARCHITECTURAL FIN STRAITIONZ. IT ON THERE.

IT SAYS THREE STORY CONVENTIONAL APARTMENTS.

THE TOUCHDOWN HOMES WILL BE TWO STORY.

WE CAN MODIFY THAT CLEARLY IF WE NEED TO JUST FOR COMFORTABLE LEVEL. THE 60 WAS PUT IN THERE EARLY ON FOR, A CHECK URAL EMBELLISHMENTS BUT WE HAVE ON THE SITE PLAN IT'S A THREE-STORY PRODUCT WHICH TYPICALLY AVERAGES ABOUT

45 FEET. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S COMFORTING BECAUSE WHEN I READ IT SEVERAL TIMES, IT STILL LOOKED LIKE BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS COMMERCIAL ZONING ALLOWED 60 FEET HEIGHT, THAT YOU WERE STILL SEEKING THAT 60-FOOT HEIGHT THERE. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

THAT'S DEFINITELY COMFORTING. SO THAT IS MUCH BETTER AS I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ANYWHERE NEAR THERE 65 -- 60 FEET IN HEIGHT. BUT THE FACT THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO REDUCE THE BUFFER OFF STATE ROAD 16 FROM 50 FEET, THE REQUIRED 50 FEET DOWN TO 20, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. THE WAY THE CODE READS IS 50 FEET FOR RESIDENTIAL LOTS, AND IN WORKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE DETERMINED THAT THE WAIVER WAS THE BEST WAY TOO APPROACH THAT EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A RESIDENTIAL LOT OUR PROPERTY. IT IS ONE BIG UNIFIED PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS MANAGED AND OWNED BECAUSE IT'S I MULTI-FAMILY COMMUNITY. WE FELT THAT 20 FEET WAS ADEQUATE FOR THE BUFFER ALONG THAT HEAVILY TRAVELED COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR OF STATE ROAD 16 AS OPPOSED TO A 50-FOOT SETBACK.

WE WILL STILL HAVE A TYPE A BUFFER PUT IN THERE FOR SCREENING AND BUFFERING, AND THEN, OF COURSE, LANDSCAPING PURSUANT TO THE CODE REQUIREMENTS THROUGHOUT THE

PROPERTY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: WELL, IN MY VIEW, MY WHIEF'S A NATIVE HAVE ST. AUGUSTINE, BORN AND RAISED HERE, AND BEFORE WE MOVED OVER HERE PERMANENTLY, WE USED TO COME OVER HERE FROM TALLAHASSEE JUST ABOUT EVERY WEEKEND, SO WE TRIVE DOWN STATE ROAD 16, AND TO ME THAT IS SORT OF A GATEWAY FOR VISITORS AND TOURISTS COMING INTO OUR FAIR CITY AND COUNTY.

AND TO HAVE A LESS THAN A 50-FOOT BUFFER SINCE THESE ARE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, TO ME CUTTING THAT DOWN TO 20 FEET EVEN WITH SCREENING AND ALL IS JUST NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT I SEE AS THE VISUALS THAT VISITORS GET COMING INTO ST. AUGUSTINE ON STATE ROAD 16. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT REDUCTION. DO YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN THAT Y'ALL HAVE DEVELOPED THAT HAS THE 50-FOOT SETBACK?

>> AND NO, SIR. BUT THAT'S NOT TOCOULDN'T TRY TH ONE. I THINK IN TALKING WITH STAFF AND THROUGH THE CHAIR AND EVERYTHING, MAYBE WE CAN GET STAFF'S OPINION ON THIS, BUT TYPICALLY THE WAY THAT CODE -- THE CODE READS IS UNDER RESIDENTIAL, IT SAYS "ANY RESIDENTIAL LOT SHALL BE 50 FEET COLLECTOR ROADWAY." AND THAT'S WHAT STATE ROAD KANE IS.

SO WE FELT IT WAS BEST TO ASK FOR THAT WAIVER.

BUT SPACE AVAILABLE, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT, AND I CAN TALK TO THE ENGINEER HERE WHILE THE PUBLIC IS COMING UP TO SPEAK. WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD DO THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN MY OPINION ON THIS,

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I'M GOING TO GATHER MY THOUGHTS HERE BECAUSE THE 60-FOOT THING

IS DEFINITELY -- >> SPEAKER: I'M HERE ON THE RECORD TO TELL YOU IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 60 FEET.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT THE 50-FOOT, THE PARK REDUCTION, THAT'S A CONCERN. I COULD UNDERSTAND IT.

I WISH YOU WEREN'T DOING THAT. I MAY MOVE AT SOME POINT TO NOT ALLOW THAT AS PART OF A MOTION, BUT I MAY NOT, BUT IT'S THE 50-FOOT REDUCTION. AND THESE ARE ALL GOING TO BE

RENTAL UNITS, IS THAT CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT, SIR SHINCHTS SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE ONE OWNER AND RENTAL IEWNLTS KIND OF LIKE YOU PRESENTED OUT THERE FURTHER OUT OH STATE ROAD

16A. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT.

WE WOULD BE THE MORE INTEGRATED VERSION OF A SINGLE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WONDER WHY YOU SINGLED OUT 20 HOWN TOWNHOME IN ADDITION TO YOUR APARTMENTS.

>> SPEAKER:ITE JUST BASED THE ON MARKET AND THE DIVERSITY WE FEEL TO BE ABSORBED IN THAT AREA.

NOT EVERYBODY IT WASN'T TO LIVE -- AND IT ACTUALLY IS I FRIEND IN APARTMENT COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY HAVE FLATS.

THEY'VE GOT A TWO-STORY FLAT HAS BUILT AND IT HAS ITS OWN GARAGE UNDERNEATH, CLEARLY HIGHER RENTAL RATE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S MORE EXCLUSIVE BUT THESE ENT WOULD BE FEE SPMIT WILL LOOK AND ACT THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY THAT'S FROM A CONVENTIONAL TWO STORY TOWNHOME PRODUCT. IT'S INTEGRATED IN AN URBAN SETTING. I WILL COMMENT, IF YOU ALLOW ME 1 THE PARKS SITUATION. IF WE WERE WAY IN THE RIEWR AREAS OR SUBURBAN AREAS AND WE NEEDED TO HAVE OUR OWN SELF-SUSTAINING PARK SYSTEM ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF, I WOULD 100% BE PITCHING TO HAVE ALL OF OUR PARK AND RECREATION NEEDS MET, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE IN A VERY URBANIZED INFILL SETTING AND WE ARE LITERALLY WITHIN WALKING AND BICYCLING DISTANCE TO SO MANY USES, IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO NOT BE BURDENED BY ALMOST 3 ACRES OF PARK SPHWEER TO THE PROPERTY AS OPPOSED GOING OUT AND EXPERIENCING WHAT'S OUT THERE. THAT'S THE ENTIRE GENESIS OF THIS SITE SELECTION ON THIS PROPERTY ALONG STATE ROAD 16.

WITH THE AMOUNT OF PARKS NEARBY, WITH THE AMOUNT OF SERVICES AND USES NEARBY. IN FACT, WALK AABILITY AND BIKE BIKEABILITY AND NOT HAVING TO ET GET INTO A CAR EVEN TO GO TO PUBLIX THAT IS INCENTIVE ITSELF TO GET OUT OF A CAR AND GO TO SERVICES AND DIFFERENT USES AROUND THE AREA.

THAT'S THE BEAUT OF THIS LOCATION.

THAT WAS MY JUSTIFICATION FOR REDUCTION IN ABOUT HALF AN ACRE

OF A PARK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I CAN APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS UNDERSTAND AND YOUR REASONING, BUT I WISH YOU HAD NOT SAID THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO BE BURDENED BY A 3-ACRE PARK SITE. THAT TO ME IS AN AMENITY, NOT A

BURDEN SPINCHTS I UNDERSTAND. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M SURE I'LL HAVE SOMETHING ELSE AFTER PEOPLE SPEAK OR OTHERS ASK QUESTIONS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? I ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE. MR. WESTER.

WHEN YOU CAN YOU PULL UP THEN AGAIN.

RIGHT THERE. SO I ASSUME THAT THE APARTMENT BUILDING THAT IS ALONG 16 AND PERHAPS THAT TOWNHOME BUILDING, THEY BOTH ARE 20 FEET OFF OF THE 16 RIGHT-OF-WAY.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT, YES.

YES, SIR. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT EXCEPT BECAUSE IN TND STYLE ARCHITECTURE, YOU PULL THE BUILDING UP TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND YOU HAVE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACE THE CORRIDOR TO KIND OF CREATE THIS VERY NICE-LOOKING, I'D COMPARE TO IT THAT SELF-STORAGE FACILITY WE WERE LOOKING AT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE CORNER WITH PEOPLE SITING IN A CAFE. BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE -- ARE WE GOING TO BE DRIVING ALONG END SKA LOOKING AT THE BACK OF A THREE-STORY ILK BUILDING? WHAT IS THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? WHAT IS THE TOWN OF THAT TOWNHOME GOING TO LOOK LIKE? SPENCHT CLEARER THEY WOULD HAVE CUSH APPEAL OAT FRONT.

YOU'RE EXACT RIGHT. WE THOUGHT IT WAS BEST BECAUSE OF THE SIDEWALK THAT'S ALONG THERE WHEN YOU'RE RIDING AND CYCLING ALONG THAT SIDEWALK TO HAVE MORE OF AN URBAN VERTICAL ELEMENT TO THAT WITH NICE ARCHITECTURE ANDES THAT THICS.

SOMETHING LIKE MORE OF AN URBAN SETTING AS OPPOSED TO HAVING NOTHING BUT PARKING LOT AND SET WAY BACK.

THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A NEW TREND NATIONALLY BUT APARTMENTS ARE SEEING THIS AS WELL. AND THE BLEND OF TOWNHOME COMMUNITY INSIDE OF THE CONVENTIONAL APARTMENT COMMUNITY

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NO, EVERYTHING WILL BE DRESSED UP WITH THE CUSH APPEAL TO ATTRACT RESIDENTS TO WANT TO LIVE THERE.

WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. WE DON'T HAVE AN ARCHITECTURE CONCEPT BUT MADISON CAPITOL HAS A VERY EXPENSIVE RECORD AND THEY STAND BY THEIR RECORD WITH HOW MANY PRODUCTS THEY PUT TO PATRICK, AND WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENTS HERE TODAY. AND SO WE CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT IF WE NEED TO. BUT, NO, THIS WOULD NOT BE A BACKWARD OR REAR-FACING PRODUCT TO THE ROADWAY ITSELF.

IT WOULD BE CUSH APPEAL FONT-PHRASING.

IT WOULD HAVE ALL OF THE NICE AESTHETICS ALONG 16 TO BE REALLY

BEAUTIFUL. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

>> SPEAKER: YOU'RE WELCOME. >> MR. MATOVINA: LET'S MOVE

INTO PUBLIC SPEAKING. >> MR. CHAIR, I'M SORRY, BEFORE YOU MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT, IF I MAY COMMENT, PLEASE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YES, YOU MAY. >> THIS IS ABOUT THE HEIGHT AND IT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE RECORD BECAUSE I DID HEAR MR. WESTER SAY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO 60 FEET.

HOWEVER, I WILL POINT OUT TO YOU THEIR MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND THEIR SITE TABLE ON THEIR MDP MAP STATES ACCOUNT ASK FREET, SO THAT WILL NEED TO BE CLARIFIED BEFORE THEY GET TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON WHAT THEIR MAXIMUM HEIGHTS

ACTUALLY IS. >> MR. MATOVINA: SOMEONE WITH MY WANT TO CONSIDER THAT IN THEIR MOTION.

NOW WE ARE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT, I THINK.

>> MS. PERKINS: RUSSELL COOK. >> MR. MATOVINA: REMEMBER WHEN YOU COME. UP TO PLEASE STATE JURY NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PUNCH THREE MINUTES.

>> SPEAKER: RSAL COOK THE ONE 01 WEST LEMMINGTON, ST. AUGUSTINE. I'M RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER IN THE THE ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE SUBDIVISION.

I'M INTERESTED IN THE COMMENTS ABOUT IT BEING LIKE A GREAT BICYCLE, LIKE IF YOU CAN GET AROUND AND DO ALL THESE THINGS BY BICYCLE, THAT IS ON MY BIKE ROUTE AND THERE ARE TIMES OF THE DAY THAT IT TAKES ME 15 MINUTES JUST TO GET ACROSS TO THE OTHER SIDE OF 16. AND WE'VE GOT IN THE FUTURE SILVERLEAF -- I KNOW YOU AT A WAYS OFF BUT IT'S UP 16 -- THEY'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO GET DOWNTOWN.

IT'S GOING TO GET A LOT WORSE. AND I ALSO THINK THAT I DON'T SEE ANYWAY -- I'M A RETIRED BUILDER/DEVELOPER MYSELF -- I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN MAKE THIS FIT.

LOOKING AT THE BACK SIDE OF APARTMENTS WITH THE REST OF 16.

I MEAN, IT'S A COMMERCIAL AREA IT JUST SEEMS OUT OF WHACK TO ME. IT'S NOAKS A BEAUTIFUL CAMPUS THAT'S BASICALLY ONE STORY PARK SETTING.

I THINK IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT, EITHER, BUT JUST MY

OPINION. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU,

MR. COOK. >> MS. PERKINS: TERRY O'LEARY.

>> SPEAKER: NAMES TERRYIOR LEAR.

AFTER GRADUATING FROM COLLEGE WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE, SPENT 20 YEARS IN NAVY, RETIRED AS A ALEXANDER.

I THEN TWENTY 20 YEARS TEACHING IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM IN VIRGINIA PEACH BEACH, VIRGINIA. AVERY SMITH REIFFERTING AGAIN I MOVED TO ST. AUGUSTINE, MY WIFE AND I.

WE BLIF IN 308 MISSION TRACE DRIVE.

WE MOVED ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO. MY CONCERN HERE IS REGARDING A POTENTIAL TRAFFIC GENERATED BY PEOPLE COMING AND GOING FROM THIS PROPOSED APARTMENT COMPLEX. I HAVE A FRIEND WHO WAS INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT AT THE INTERSECTION OF FOUR MILE ROAD AND KENTON MORRISON ROAD. HAVE A I NEIGHBOR HA WAS INVOLVED IN A VERY SEVERE ACCIDENT AT KENTON MORRISON ROAD AND STATE 16. I WAS A PERSONAL WFNTS SEVERE ACCIDENT ALSOAL KENTTON MORRISON ROAD AND STATE ROAD 16.

ALL OF THESE PICTURES I TOOK MYSELF AND ALL OF THESE ACCIDENTS HAVE OCCURRED WITHIN THE LAST 18 MONTHS.

TWO YEARS AGO, MAY OF 2020, THERE I WAS FATAL ACCIDENT AT KENTON MORRISON RADIOED AND STATE ROAD 16.

TWO PEOPLE KILLED, ONE PERSON CRITICAL INJURED.

OF THESE ACCIDENTS WHICH I AM AWARE YOU'RE AVERAGING ONE ACCIDENT EVERY SIX MONTHS. PAGER ACCIDENT.

I'M SURE THERE WERE OTHER ACCIDENTS.

AND THIS IS WITH THE CURRENT TRAFFIC LEVEL NOW IMAGINE THE TRAFFIC ADDED BY THE THE ADDITION OF THIS PROPOSED APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH ABOUT 500 PARKING PLACES AND AN EXPECTED OCCUPANCY OF 580 PEOPLE.

WILL PEOPLE DEPART FOR WORK, IT WILL INCLUDE SEVERAL HUNDRED CARS ADD TO THE LOCAL TRAFFIC NEAR THOSE INTERSECTIONS.

WHEN THEY RETURN HOME, IT'S ANOTHER SEVERAL HUNDRED CARS GOING THROUGH THOSE INTERSECTIONS.

23 THEY THEN DECIDE TO GO SHOMG OR OUT TO EAT -- SHOPPING OR OUT

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WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE LIKE. ADDING ALL THOSE CARS TO TODAY'S TRAFFIC LET IS SETTING US UP FOR A MUM TUDE OF CRASHES TO HAPPEN.

THE TRAFFIC POTENTIAL FOR THIS PROPOSED APARTMENT COMPLEX IS OBVIOUSLY OUT OF SYNC WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.

IT HAS THETIAL EVER STRONG POTENTIAL OF DECREASING THE VALUE OF OUR HOMES. THE SAFETY THOSE CITIZENS WHO ARE ALREADY LIVING IN THIS AREA SHOULD BE CONSIDERED MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE IMPOSITION THAT THIS LARGE INCONGRUOUS APARTMENT COMPLEX. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MR. O'LEARY, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. YOU'LL NEED TO TURN THAT IN AFTER THIS GUY PERCENTAGE OF TIM JOHNSONS.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS TIM JOHNSONS.

IN 2008 MY WIFE AND I WERE THE FIRST TO PURCHASE A HOME IN MISSION TRACE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE ARE 90 HOMES, NOT 200 PLUS, AS EARLIER INDICATED. OUR ADDRESS IS 302 MISSION TRACE DRIVE. WE EVER WORKED IN HIGHER EDUCATION IN THIS COUNTY SINCE WE MOVED TO ST. AUGUSTINE STAWGHTSD IN 19908. AS A EDUCATOR I'M CONTINUED REMINDED TO LOOK OUT FOR THE SAFETY OTHERS.

I SPEAK TODAY FOR THE SAFETY THOSE WHO LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ADJACENT AREAS. I I AM NOT AGAINST GROWTH OR DEVELOPMENT. I AM, HOWEVER WITH DEEPLY OPPOSED TO THIS NON-COMPATIBLE CONFORMING DEVELOPMENTAL PLAN.

THE PLAN IS DANGEROUS AND POTENTIALLY DEADLY.

THE ENTRANCE/EXIT OF THIS COMMUNITY WOULD BE THE THIRD EAST-WEST ENTRANCE/EXIT ONTO KENON MORRIS ON ROAD.

THE OTHER TWO ARE FRFT FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL AND IS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY RIVER COLLEGE. DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THESE ARE TWO WEST-EAST ENTRANCE/EXIT FROM THE SHOPS AND ONE FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD. KENTON MORESSON A SHORT ROAD PLAGUED BY TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS AND MARKED BY DEATH.

WHAT IS STUNG IS THE SHORT DISTANCES INVOLVED.

LAST NIGHT I WALKED EJTD OF THE EXIT OF THE FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL TO THE NORTH SIDE AND IT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY RIVER COLLEGE. THE IN AN ADMITTEDLY UNSCIENTIFIC CALCULATION, MY IPHONE RECORDED 382 STEPS EQUALING 802 FEETED. SIMPLY STATED, AN AREA AS SMALL AS 1/6 OF A MILE COULD DAILY SEE THIS ADDITION OF HUNDREDS OF HUNDREDS OF CARS, SCHOOL BUSES, SURVIVOR TRUCKS AND UTILITY VEHICLES. IMAGINE THE ADDITION OF 1,400 CAR TRIPS ENTERING AND EXITING UNDER KENTON MORRISON ROAD FROM THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPED. IMAGINE HUNDREDS MORE FROM THE SHOPS AT MISSION TRACE AND HUNDREDS MORE FROM ST. JOHN RIVER COLLEGE. IMAGINE, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF SCHOOL BUSES HEADING BACK AND FORTH TO MURRAY MIDDLE SCHOOL ON THAT ROAD, KENTON MORRISON, OUT OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. YES, I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT KENTON MORES 7 ON A ROUTE FOR FRYER TRUCKS.

I ASK YOU TO REJECT THIS PLAN. THIS SPECIFIC PLAN.

WE ALREADY HAVE ONE MEMORIAL TO TRAFFIC DEATH ON KENTON MORRISON. YOU STAND HERE IN FAVOR OF SENSIBLE AND SAFE DEVELOPMENT. THE PLAN PLACED BEFORE YOU

TODAY, I POSIT, IS NEITHER. >> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU.

LINDA BEVIN. HELLO.

MY NAME IS LINDA BEVIN. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE ALSO ONE OF THE CHARTER RESIDENTS IN MISSION TRACE, HAVING BUILT AND COMPLETED OUR HOME IN ABOUT 2010.

WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE LOVE ST. AUGUSTINE.

AND WE LIKE CONTROLLED GROWTH. BUT I HAVE TO -- BUT I'M HERE TODAY TO SAY TO YOU IS A VISUAL IN MY MIND, AND SO I WILL DO MY BEST TO TAKE THAT PICTURE AND PUT IT INTO WORDS.

UNFORTUNATELY, I'M NOT AN ARTIST.

I'M THINKING OF PLAYING LEGOS WITH MY GRANDSON, AND THERE'S A

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ANOTHER WAY OF PUTTING THAT IS PUTTING 10 POUNDS DPIRT IN A 5 POINT DIRT SACK. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING HERE.

WE HAVE A LOVELY AREA THAT HAS GROWN BEAUTIFULLY, AND THERE'S A LITTLE LEFTOVER PIECE OF 20 OR SO ACRES.

AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE TRYING TOO MAXIMUM THE PEOPLE GOING INTO -- MAXIMIZE THE PEOPLE GOING INTO THAT FOR REVENUE, FOR WHATEVER. AND IT WILL BE TOTALLY VISUALLY INCON GREITEN ININCONGRUENT WITH THE CURRENT NEIGHBOR. MIG TRACE ITSELF IS SINGLE STORY. THE SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF IS SINGLE STORY. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS SINGLE STORY. THE COLLEGE IS BEAUTIFUL PARK EVER, PARKS SINGLE STORY AND MOST OF ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE IS TOO. THIS WOULD LIKE AN AFTERTHOUGHT MISTAKE, AND I URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST IT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

COULD WE HAVE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER: IT'S 346 MISSION TRACE DRIVE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: GENE PENNY.

>> SPEAKER: HELLO. MY NAME IS JEAN PENNY.

AND I LIVE AT 88UTINA WAY. I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU I'M A HUMANITARIAN AID VOLUNTEER IN AFRICA. I WORK IN EAST AFRICA AND IN SOUTH AFRICA, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT DEVELOPERS FROM ALL CORNERS OF THE GLOBE ARE THIS WRONGING TO AFRICA TO DID THRONGING TO OVERDEVELOP THINGS TO THE POINT THAT DOWNTOWN NAIROBI AND DOWNTOWN JOHANNS BOURG ARE GRIDLOCKED.

I ONLY MENTION THIS TO SAY I KNOW WHAT OVERDEVELOPMENT LOOKS LIKE. I ALSO LIVED ONVILLE AN OH BEACH FOR 22 YEARS. VILLANO BEACH WHICH IS NOW THE MECCA OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. RECENTLY I MOVED IN AN OVER 55 DEVELOPMENT ON STATE ROAD 16, AND LIFE WAS LOOKING UP.

SO I WAS VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT UNTIL THIS PROPOSED PLAN CAME ALONG. AND I THINK THAT THE CHANGES THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE ARE NOT GOING TO REALLY BE TO ANYONE'S GREAT BENEFIT EXCEPT THE DEVELOPER'S.

IT'S A SIMPLE CASE OF MORE IS NOT NECESSARILY BETTER.

AND IF IT'S NOT BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.

THE IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY ALONE IS TO ME LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. A LARGE.

AND AS I SAID, I HAVE BEEN THROUGH SOME GROWTH ISSUES OUT ONVILLANO BEACH FOR MANY YEARS THAT FINALLY JUST CAUSED ME TO FLEE. SO I'M THINKING AGAIN THAT MORE IS NOT NECESSARILY BETTER, AND THE IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY IS GOING TO BE CRITICAL. IT'S A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE AND IT'S A SAFETY OF LIFE ISSUE. IN MY OPINION, CHANGING THIS ZONING INTO WHAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE ASKING FOR IS JUST NOT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY BUT ONLY THE DEVELOPER. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: KEVIN REAMS. KEVIN REAMS. STEPHANIE REAMS.

>> STEPHANIE REAMS 2836 NORTH 9TH STREET, ST. AUGUSTINE FLORIDA 32084. WHEN CONSIDERING THE DEVELOPMENT AS A YOU WILL BE. SERVANT SAIS RESIDENT OF THIS COUNTY, CAN YOU VERDICT THE TRAFFIC, THE THE NOOCIALT OR THE RESOURCES? THE FIRST POINT THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE TRAFFIC. EVERYBODY ELSE HAS MADE A POINT ABOUT IT. I'M NOT GOING TO DWELL.

HOWEVER, IN THE REPORT IT WAS STATED THAT OUR ROADS ARE ALREADY AT 100% CAPACITY IN THAT IMMEDIATE VICINITY.

NOT TO MENTION THAT THE ESTIMATED COST IS ABOUT $33 MILLION TO FOUR-WAY OUR ROADS RIGHT THERE.

THE SECOND POINT IS COST. HE DID MENTION WORKER HOUSING.

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AND THEN THIRD, I SAY THAT -- I'M SORRY.

ACTUALLY, FLORIDA LEADS THE NATION IN HOUSING UNAFFORDABILITY. THE PERCENTAGE OF RENTERS WHO SPEND MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME BASED ON FLORIDA STATISTICS THIS PAST YEAR WAS 56.5%.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY WAS RECENTLY RANKED NUMBER FLFNT STUDY FOR MOST UNAFFORDABLE COUNTIES IN NATION.

THEIR ALL RIGHT ALSO STATES THAT WITH THE 238 MULTI-FAMILY HOMES, WE ARE ONLY TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ONE CHILD PER EVERY SO MANY HOUSEHOLDS. THEIR STATISTICS STATED THAT ONLY 30 CHILDREN WERE GOING TO IMPACT OUR EXPOOLS.

I FIND THAT HARD TO BELIEVE WITH 238 RENTALS, THAT ONLY 30 KIDS ARE GOING TO BE ADDED TO OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SHOULD THIS COMMISSION APPROVE THE REZONING AND ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, THE AMENITIES LIKE THE PARK, HE SAID WAS A BURDEN TO HAVE THE OPE SPACE.

I FELT LIKE THAT WAS NOT A VERY SMART MOVE ON HIS PART.

HOWEVER, MAYBE HE COULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION A FEW LESS OF HIS APARTMENTS AND MAYBE HAVE MORE OF THE PARK/RECREATIONAL AREAS SO THAT THE COMMUNITY COULD COME TOGETHER, MAYBE ENCOURAGE THESE INTO RESIDENTS TO MINGLE WITH SOME OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTS AND CREATE A SPACE SO THAT THE COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS COULD UNITE. THAT'S ALL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: AMBER OAKS.

SHE HAD TO LEAVE. OKAY.

EVA DOOLITTLE. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

I AM EVA DOOLITTLE. I LIVE IN ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE, 1536 -- WAY. I HAVE BEEN IN REAL ESTATE IN THIS COUNTY FOR MANY YEARS, AND TODAY I AM COMING TO SAY THAT THIS CONSTANT CHANGES WITH THE ZONING FROM COMMERCIAL TO PUD ARE NOT DOING ANY GOOD TO THE COUNTY, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT OUR SCHOOLS ARE AT THIS POINT AT THEIR CAPACITY.

THEY ARE BUILDING NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT BRING YOUNG PEOPLE AND DEFINITELY THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BRING A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD THEIR HOMES AND THEY WILL BE RENTERS. THEY WILL HAVE CHILDREN AND THEY WILL SEND THESE CHILDREN TO OUR SCHOOLS.

AND THE SCHOOL BUSES WILL BE CLOGGING, ESPECIALLY KENTON MORRISON, AND I HOPE EVERYBODY REALIZES THAT THIS STREET IS AN EXTENSION OF HOLMES BOULEVARD WHERE MERRICK SCHOOL IS.

SO RIGHT NOW I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN I WANT TO MAKE A LEFT TURN OF ON 207 FROM HOLMES BOULEVARD, I VERY OFTEN HAVE FOE WAIT THREE RED LIGHTS BEFORE I CAN MAKE THIS TURN.

SO SCHOOLS ARE OF DEEP CONCERN. THE OTHER THING IS THE DEVELOPER, IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, WOULD HAVE ONE EXIT ON KENTTON MORRISON AND ONE ON ROAD 16.

I CAN IMAGINE COLLISIONS ON KENTON MORRISON.

IF THIS IS CORRECT, THIS IS TO BE AN EXIT, NO TO MENTION THAT OUR PUBLIX, WHICH IS A VERY SMALL PUBLIX, WOULD SUDDENLY HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE SHOPPING AND IT'S ALREADY OVERCROWDED.

SO ALL THESE CONCERNS MAKE ME THINK THAT REZONING THIS TO PUD AND ALLOW THIS KIND OF A DEVELOPMENT IS A MISTAKE.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: CHARLES COWELLY.

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>> SPEAKER: CHARLEY KUEHLY. 86 MISSION WOODS WAY.

AND I JUST LIVE IN MISSION TRAC TRACE.

MISSION WAY IS ONE OF THE STREETS THAT PEOPLE GO TO AVOID GOING ON KENTON MORRISON ROAD. IT'S KIND OF A SUBSTITUTE WHEN THE TRAFFIC IS BAD. WELL, WHAT WE DETERMINE IS IT 6T DOESN'T REALLY MATTER BHAITS. THIS BEHEMOTH WILL JUST NOT FIT IN THIS AREA. IN THIS PLACE P A DEVELOPMENT COMPANY FROM OUT OF STATE WANTS TO PUT A 60 FEET OR 30-FOOT TALL APARTMENT BUILDING ADJACENT TO THE HIGHWAY PATROL FACILITY WITH ACCESS AND EGRESS TO HIGHWAY 16 AND KENTON MORRISON ROAD.

THE RECOMMENDATIONS I READ FOR SPEAKING AT THIS MEETING ADVISED THAT THOSE OF US SEEKING TO AVOID SPECULATION ON TRAFFIC MATTERS, SO I WILL STICK TO RELATING A RECENT EXPERIENCE.

LAST WEEK I GOT ON KENTON MORRISON ROATDZ NORTHBOUND FROM FOUR MILE RADIOED AND THE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC WAS UMED BACKED UP BUMMER TO BUMPER FROM HIGHWAY 16 DOWN TO THE LIGHT AT FOUR MILE ROAD. AND THE P.M. JAM WAS JUST GETTING STARTED. I DON'T NEED TO SPECULATE BECAUSE IT TOLD ME NOT TO, BUT WHY DON'T YOU SPEAK SPECULATE ON WHAT THAT MUST BE. DO YOU REALIZE THAT THE 50 AND 60-FOOT TALL TREES TO THE EAST ACROSS KENTON MORRISON ROAD SERVE AS A BUFFER FROM WESTERLY HURRICANE WINDS LIMITING DAMAGE TO THE HOMES THAT CAN BA UP TO KENTON MORRISON ROAD? ON THE FARM WE CALLED THOSE WINDBREAKERS.

ANYBODY REMEMBER THAT? SPECULATE, PLEASE.

HERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE. CLEAR CUT THE EXISTING BRUSH AROUND THE 19 ACRES OF TREES, CREATE WALKING PATHS WITH OCCASIONAL BENCHES AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF PICNIC SITES WITH TABLE AND CHARCOAL BARBECUES. WHAT A NICE ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND MISSION TRACE WOULD STILL HAVE A WIND BREAK. AND THE COUNTY WOULD NOT BE COMPLICIT IN STROILTING THE PUD GUIDELINES FOR WATER CONSERVATION, BY THE WAY. VIOLATING THE PUD GUIDE LINES FOR WATER CONSERVATION, BY THE WAY.

MY OBJECTION IS JUST THE SHEAR SCALE OF THIS THING.

THE OBJECTIVE OF THIS PUD PROCEDURE, AS IS LISTED, IS TO ENCOURAGING NEW AT, IMAGINATION AND DESIGN EFFORT ON THE PART OF BUILDER, ERECTS, SITE PLANNERS AND DEVELOPERS TO PRODUCE DEVELOPMENTS WITH DEPART FROM THE STRICT RETIREMENTS OF CENTER ADDITIONAL ZONING DISTRICTS IN GAIN FOR A GAIN IN FUNCTION AND DESIGN AS COMPARED WITH TRADITIONAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

THAT WAS ALL A QUOTE FROM SOMETHING I READ.

THEN THIS PROJECT, DUE TO PROPOSED LOCATION, MISSES THE

MARK. >> MR. MATOVINA: WRAP IT UP,

SIR. >> SPEAKER: IT MIGHT WORK WELL IN OTHER LOCATIONS, SERIOUSLY. THANKS FOR YOUR GOODNESS, FOLKS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: THANKS AND TAKE

CARE OF YOUR GOODNESS. >> MS. PERKINS: MARJORIE

MARTIN. >> AND HELLO.

I'M MARJORIE MARTIN. I'M SCATTER OF THE SECRETARN TRACE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. I LIVE AT 44 MISSION COVE CIRCLE. MISSION TRACE IS A SMALL COMMUNITY IMMEDIATELY WEST OF THE PROPOSED REZONING TO CREATE MADISON SARATOGA ST. AUGUSTINE. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE A MULTI-FAMILY RENTAL HOUSING COMPLEX ESTABLISHED AND MAIN TAINTED BY AN OUT-OF-STATE COMPANY.

MISSION TRACE WILL BE THE COMMUNITY MOST BROADLY AFFECTED BY THE PROPOSED REZONING. NEARLY 100% OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE SIGNED PETITIONS IN OPPOSITION TO THE REZONING, AND WE HAVE ENLISTED OTHER RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY AND TAXPAYERS TO DO SO AS WELL. MISSION TRACE IS A 15-YEAR-OLD

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IT IS WITHIN THE TRIANGLE FORMED BY STATE ROAD 16, FOUR MILE ROAD AND KENTON MORRISON. KENTON MORRISON PROVIDERS THE MAIN ACCESS TO OUR COMMUNITY. THE LAND FOR THAT ROADWAY WAS DETAINED 26 YEARS DONATED 26 YEARS AGO BY THE ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COLLEGE TO RACHELLE WITHOUT FURTHER IMPROVEMENTS AFTER THE COLLEGE'S INITIAL CONSTRUCTION.

MISSION TRACE IS A MULTI-GENERATIONAL COMMUNITY THAT HAS RESIDENTS, PRO OWNERS AND TAXPAYERS WHO REFLECT THE DIVERSITY OF CULTURES THAT HAVE BEEN PART OF SARATOGA FOR SANTIR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. THE YOU CAN WHYEST MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME IS ONE MONTH OLD.

THE OLDER MEMBERS ARE IN HER 80S.

ALL AGES IN BETWEEN ARE REPRESENTED.

FAMILIES INCLUDE THOSE WITH SPECIAL CHALLENGES, NEEDS AND CIRCUMSTANCES. MISSION TRACE HAS 90 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, MOST OF WHICH ARE ONE-STORY.

THE REMAINDER ARE ONE AND A HALF ORE TWO STORIES.

OF THE TOTAL EIGHT FAMILIES RENT OTHER EVER THEIR HOMES.

FIVE OF THOSE FAMILIES HAVE LIVED IN MISSION TRACE FOR YEAR YEARS. PROPERTY OWNERS INCLUDE LIFELONG SANTIAGOANS AND FLORIDIANS AND OTHERS WHO HAVE WORKED AND LIVED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR DECADES. SOME RESIDENTS ARE FROM OTHER STATES AND COUNTRIES. WE ARE A SMALL COMMUNITY.

WE KNOW EACH OTHER, HELP EACH OTHER, AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER.

15% OF US ARE ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE MEMBERS OR MILITARY VETERANS REPRESENTING ALL BRANCHES AND HAVE SERVED DURING CONFLICTS FROM KOREA AND VIETNAM TO AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> MS. PERKINS: KAREN SATKIN. >> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS KAREN IS AS IS THE SKIN AND I LIVE AT 14 MISSION COAST CIRCLE IN MISSION TRACE. I'VE BEEN ASKED TO READ INTO THE RECORD THE LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY OUR HOA PRESIDENT IN OBJECTION TO THE APPROVAL OF THIS PARTICULAR PUD.

MS. LESLEE KEYS. I AM WRITING IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED REZONING FOR THE ABOVE REFERENCED PROPERTY.

I TAKE THIS POSITION AS A PROPERTY OWNER AND TAXPAYER WHO MOVED TO NORTHEAST FLORIDA 40 YEARS AGO NEXT YEAR.

FOR THE LAST 26 YEARS I HAVE LIVED AND WORKED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. ADDITIONALLY I AM PROVIDING THIS 8 VOLUNTARILY AND AM NOT BEING FINANCIALLY COMPENSATED IN ANY WAY FOR THIS TESTIMONY. UNFORTUNATELY, I CANNOT PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION IN PERSON AS I HAVE A WORK-LY LATED TRAVEL AWAY FROM HOME. WORK RELATED TRAVEL AWAY FROM HOME. I AM DIRECTLY AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNER IN THE MISSION TRACE COMMUNITY.

FOR REFERENCE, PAGE 6 OF THE PACKET PROVIDED FOR THIS REZONING REQUEST IDENTIFIES ADJOINING LAND USES TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. OMITTED IN THAT INFORMATION IS ANY MENTION OF THE LAND USES TO THE WEST ACROSS KENTON MORRISON ROAD. THE MISSION TRACE COMMUNITY IS IMMEDIATELY WEST OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN ST. JOHN RIVER DLEJ AND COLLEGE AND SOUTH OFE SHOPS AT MISSION TRACE.

ALSO, I SERVE AS THE MISSION TRACE HOA PRESIDENT.

MORE THAN 90% OF OUR RESIDENTS, PROPERTY OWNERS AND TAXPAYERS OPPOSE THIS MEASURE. ADDITIONALLY, THE ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE COMMUNITY AND OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS THROUGHOUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAVE JOINED TOGETHER TO OPPOSE THE PROPOSED REZONING. MY EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND INCLUDES A MASTER'S DEGREE IN URBAN AND REGIONAL PLANNING FROM THE COLLEGE OF ARCHITECTURE AT VIRGINIA TECH AND COMPLETION OF REQUIREMENTS FOR THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED PLANNERS.

ALSO, I HOLD A DOCTORATE DEGREE IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION FROM

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I THINK THE BOARD ALREADY HAS THIS LETTER AND THEY CAN LOOK AT ADDITIONAL OBJECTIONS THAT MRS. -- MS. KEYS HAS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> MR. MATOVIA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: JOE PICKENS. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

THE JOE PICK ENDS, PRESIDENT OF ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COLLEGE I WANT TO SAY UP FRONT THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TODAY TO MEET WITH ME AND WITH OUR BOARD OF TRUSTEES WITH WHOM WE DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT LAST NIGHT.

WE APPRECIATE THAT AND THE MEETING WILL OCCUR BEFORE THE MEETING OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

THAT HOWEVER DOES HELP US TODAY, AND SO I AM HERE AS WELL AS SOMEONE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS, MANY OF HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, FIRST OF WHICH IS THAT THE TRAFFIC ON% ENGTD IS A PROBLEM.

IT'S A PROBLEM FOR MISSION TRACE.

IT'S A PROBLEM FOR US. IT'S A PROBLEM FOR PUBLIC, AND IT'S A PRESENTABLE THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.

THIS WILL ONLY MAKE THAT WORSE.

IT ISN'T SPECULATION, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT PEOPLE IN A HURRY. IT'S WORSE THAT OUR STUDENTS ARE IN A HURRY. AND ALL OF THE STUDENTS THAT WANT TO ACCESS OUR HEALTH-RELATED PROGRAMS ARE GOING TO TURN TURN ON ONTO KENTON MORRISON TO ACCESS THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WHERE THAT ACCESS IS WHERE EVEN IF THEY CAME TO THE CAMPUS FROM STATE ROAD 16.

WE ARE PLEASED WITH THE AESTHETIC DETAIL AND ATTENTION THAT HAS BEEN PAID TO STATE ROAD 16.

WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THAT'S GOING TO COME AT THE EXPENSE OF ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COLLEGE WHERE YOU SEE THAT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY IS PARKING AREA AND PROBABLY THE BACK OF APARTMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT THEM SO THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL FACE THE AMENITIES THAT ARE FACING INSIDE. SO AGAIN, THE BACK OR THE LESS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING PART OF THE PROPERTY AND THE PROJECT THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT BEING INAPPROPRIATE FOR STATE RADIOED 16, WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT ROW. YA FOR ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COLLEGE. LAST, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T, NOR IS IT YOUR JOB, TO REGULATE THE CONDUCT OF PEOPLE.

HOWEVER, EVEN IF THIS IS LESS TRAFFIC FOR STATE ROAD 16, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT A LESS INTENSE USE FOR THE COLLEGE.

IN MANY WAYS, BUT ONE EXAMPLE IS 500 TO 1,000 RESIDENTS WHO CONSIDER ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COLLEGE AN OPEN ACCESS PUBLIC INSTITUTION TO BE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL AND CONVENIENT PARK FOR WHICH TO WALK THEIR DOGS, AMONG OTHER THINGS.

ALL OF THESE FOLKS ARE WELCOME TO BE PRESENT ON THE CAMPUS AT OUR INVITATION FOR COLLEGE PURPOSES.

A COMMERCIAL VENTURE, SUCH AS IS ZONED NOW, DOES NOT CREATE SUCH A POTENTIAL PROBLEM FOR THE USE OF ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COLLEGE, ESPECIALLY DURING NIGHTS AND WEEKEND.

I WANT TO RITTER THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS -- LITTER REITERATE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO MEET WITH US AND OUR BOARD IN JUNE BUT WE'D ASK YOU TO TAKE THESE CONCERNS INTO CONSIDERATION AS YOU MUST DECIDE TODAY.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: RON BROWNE. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

THE MY NAME IS RON BROWN. 71 SOUTH DIEKDZ BY SANTIAGO, FLORIDA. I REPRESENT THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COLLEGE AS THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL.

PRESIDENT PICKENS HAS PRESENTED A GOOD NUMBER OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, BUT YOU WANT TO ADD A COUPLE THINGS JUST FOR TH.

WE HEARD A LOT OF TALK TODAY ABOUT INTENSITY OF THE USE.

PRESIDENT PICK ENDS INDICATED THAT THERE IS A CONCERN TO THE COLLEGE ABOUT THAT LEVEL OF INTENSITY, AND JUST AS YOU LOOK AT STATE ROAD 16 AND LOOK A WHAT'S GEAGBY BEEN GOING ON UP AND DOWN STATE ROAD 16 I THINK YOU WILL SEE THIS LEVEL OF INTENSITY IS IT MORE THAN TRADITIONALLY BEEN ALLOWED TO HAPPEN OUT THERE ON 16. I KNOW THE DEVELOPER HAS MADE THE CASE THAT ZONING AT THE PRESENT TIME COULD CREATE SOMETHING INDEED MUCH WORSE BUT THAT WOULD ALSO BE INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN ON STATE ROAD 16 UP UNTIL NOW. AND I THINK THE -- TO THE CITY FROM THE COUNTY IS IMPORTANT THAT WEIM MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF

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I THINK MOO PRIMARY CONCERN IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE FROM OUR SIDE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITE LAWN SEE TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE FACE 10 SOUTH AND LOOKING AT THE COLLEGE SIDE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE 606TH FEET HONORED. WE HAVE A DISCUSSION WHETHER 60 FEET IS THE MAXIMUM. THE THE DEVELOPER HAS ASSURED US THERE WILL NOT BE 60-FOOT BUILDINGS 01 THOUGH IT'S POSSIBLE THERE COULD BE. THEY'LL BE THREE STORY BUILDINGS. I THINK THEY MENTIONED 9-1/2, 1.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE WITH FACADE AND VAIRL.

OUR CONCERN SO THAT THAT SIDE LOOKS GOOD.

WE HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE VERTICAL EL VAWTIONZ ARE.

NEITHER TO YOU. WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE BACK OF SOMETHING FROM THE COLLEGE CAMPUS.

WE WANT TO SEE THE FRONT OF SOMETHING, MAKE SURE THAT IT LOOKS APPROPRIATE. IT IS HIGHLY IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN THE PROPER ALL WAWNS AND THIS IS WHAT IS PRIMARILY TRIEFG US IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE COLLEGE SIDE ON THE SOUTH. THE BUFFERING, I THINK IS ONLY 10 FEET. THAT'S ONLY 6 FEET HIGH.

YOU GET A 30, 40-FOOT BUILDING, IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A HEDGE THAN IT LOOKS LIKE A BUFFER. IT'S NOT REALLY VERY APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF PREDICTING THAT VIEWPOINT OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

WE MENTIONED SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ROAMS ON KENTON MORRISON.

THE THING WE DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS HAVE A BACKUP THAT PRECLUDES PEOPLE FROM SAFELY ENTERING AND EXIT 10 COLLEGE FROM KENTON MORRISON. YOU GO OFF OF STATE ROAD 16 AND THE LAST THING WE WANT TO SEE IS SOMEBODY LOOKING A GOOG MAPS AND THEY DECIDE, EUREKA, LET'S GO THROUGH COLLEGE DRIVE AND GET OUT AND CHANGE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE LOOKED A GOOGLE MAPS BUT THEY WILL TAKE YOU INTO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IF IT'S TOO BUSY IN OTHER PLACES. THIS IS A CONCERN TO US IN TERM OF IMPACT TO THE COLLEGE AND WHAT'S GOING ON.

THE FINAL THING IS THE COLLEGE HAS AN INTRNS WAY ON 16.

WE HAVE SOME SIGNAGE ISSUES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM AND WE'RE WORKING WITH DEVELOPER ON POSSIBLY SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS, SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME WAY TO PUT IN SIGNAGE THAT WOULD BETTER APPROACH THE PROBLEMS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: JOHN CRAMP.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JOHN EXRAM.

I'M PRESIDENT OF THE ROYAL SANTIAGO LOT OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS -- ST. AUGUSTINE LOT OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION I LIVE AT 1032 OXFORD DEPRIVE IN ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE. I CAN'T ADD TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY HEARD OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT MY MEMBERSHIP IS MOST CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACT, SAFETY AND SECURITY.

THOSE ARE THE THREE ITEMS BY THEMSELVES MOST IMPORTANT IN THEIR MIND. 4 THOSE WHO KNOW ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE, EVE A PARK, WHAT IS CALLED A PARKWAY.

PARKWAY MAIN ENTRANCE IS OFF YOU OF STATE ROAD 16, I GUESS IT WOULD BE EAST OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

THE BACK BRANS IS ON FOUR MILE ROAD.

-- THE BACK ENTRANCE IS ON FOUR MILE ROAD NOT FAR FROM KENTON MORRISON. THE PARKWAY ALREADY IS UTILIZED AS WHAT IS FONDLY REFERRED TO BY MANY PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND HERE AS THE CUT-THROUGH. IT'S BEEN THE CUT-THROUGH FOR 20 YEARS. ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE IS A PRIVATE VIEWNT. IT'S NOT A CUT-THROUGH, BUT IT IS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OUR SIDEWALKS THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED BY BIKERS AND PEOPLE THAT DON'T RESIDE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. I THINK, AND MY MEMBERSHIP FEELS THAT APPROVAL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL ONLY ADD TO VISITORS THAT DON'T LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES TO START TO VISIT OUR COMMUNITIES IN GREATER NUMBERS.

AND THAT'S A CONCERN FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

SO TRAFFIC, SAFETY, SECURITY, THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY ISSUES.

WE WILL NOT AND DID NOT DENY THE FACT THAT ADDITIONAL HOUSING IS NEEDED TO SUPPORT ST. JOHNS COUNTY'S GROWTH.

BUT DOES IT HAVE TO BE IN OUR BACKYARD? AND I GUESS THAT'S REALLY WHAT OUR MEMBERSHIP IS ASKING.

THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: MARK A COLLIE.

MARTHA COLLIE. 3

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SPRCH. >> EVER GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, DOCTOR.

MY NAME IS MARTHA COAL. I LIVE AT 86 MISSION WOODS WAY.

AND WHEN WE DECIDED TO MOVE TO ST. AUGUSTINE, ONE OF THE ATTRACTION TO MISSION TRACE DEVELOPMENT WAS THE FACT THAT IT WAS ACROSS FROM THE CAMPUS OF ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COLLEGE.

THAT BEING SAID, ST. JOHNS COUNTY WAS A PART OF THE GREATER JACKSONVILLE METROPOLITAN AREA, IS THE MOST RECENT TARGET OF A RENTAL HOUSING PROGRAM THAT BEGAN WITH STWERSZ IN WALL STREET DURING THE RECESSION, STWERSZ IN ALL STREET DURING THE RECESSION. MEDIA COVERAGE OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS SHOWS A PATTERN OF RENTAL SATURATION IN SINGLE FEEL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT CHALLENGES THE STABILITY OF HOME VALUE. THIS ACTIVITY HAS INSPIRED HOAS TO REWRITE THEIR LEGAL DOCUMENTS TO REQUIRE OWNER OCCUPANCY FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS PRIOR TO THE CONVERSION INTO A RENTAL MARKET. AN EXTENSION OF THIS PHENOMENA IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF MULTI-FAMILY RENTAL COMPLEXES WHICH REMAIN IN THE NON-LOCAL DEVELOPER'S OWNERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT WITH LITTLE GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT.

THIS IS WHAT IS PROPOSED AS MADISON ST. AUGUSTINE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER STATE ROAD 16 AND KENTON MORRISON.

THE DEVELOPER, MADISON CAPITAL GROUP LEVELS IS THAT RIGHT, NORTH CAROLINA, COORNLINGSD TO ITS WEBSITE, IS A FULL-SERVICE PRIVATE EQUITY REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT AND DEVELOPMENT FIRM WITH A PRIMARY FOCUS ON MULTI-FAMILY AND SELF-STORAGE STRUCTURES. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR HOLDINGS. IT WILL DEMONSTRATE A LACK OF TRACK RECORD HERE. OF THE FOUR THAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RESEARCH, ONLY ONE HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED, AND THAT WAS BY ANOTHER DEVELOPER, AND THEY TOOK THE PROPERTY OVER AFTER IT WAS COMPLETE. THE OTHER THREE, ONE ON SPACE COAST PARKWAY NEAR DESTINY AND KISSIMMEE, ONE IN JACKSONVILLE NEAR ASCENSION ST. VINCENT, AND THE MADISON CITY AND TAMPA ARE

STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: DOUG MINTER. >> DOUG MIRNTD, 88 MIX PHRASE DRIVE. FIRST OF ALL I'M A 30-YEAR CAREER FIREFIGHTER, AND THE WAY MY HOUSE IS SITUATED IN THE EVENING ON THE LANAI I HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE FRONT OF THE COLLEGE. AND BEING A CAREER FIREFIGHTER, ANY TIME I HEAR A SIREN, I KIND OF PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON, AND SEVERAL TIMES IN FRONT OF THE COLLEGE FIRE ENGINES AND AMBULANCES HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY STHUZ, STOPPED ON EMERGENCY RESPONSE. TRAFFIC GOING SOUTH ON KENTON MORRISON IS BACKED AT THE LIGHT. THE LIGHTS STOPPED THEM HERE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE COMPLETELY STANDSTILL AND YOU HAVE NO WAY TO MOVE. SOMETHING ELSE THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED SO FAR TODAY IS THE KIDS AT THE COLLEGE GOING TO COLLEGE. WHEN YOU'RE GOING SOUTH, WE CAN HANDLE ABOUT SIX CARS IN THE TURNING LANE TO GO TO THE COLLEGE, AND AT PEAK TIMES THE TRAFFIC IMPEDES THEM FROM TURNING, AND WHEN THEY GET TO THE SEVENTH CAR, THAT SHUTS DOWN KENTON MORRISON. THERE'S NO WAY NOBODY CAN GET PAST THEM UNTIL THEY TURN INTO THE COLLEGE.

I ASK ANY OF YOU WHO WANT TO AT 7:50 IN THE MORNING OBSERVE WHAT I'M SAYING AS THE KIDS TRY TO GET TO CLASS AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO IT. EVERYTHING IS FINE.

IT'S JUST TALKING ABOUT CONGESTION.

AND ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I AM SO 100% AGAINST THIS, I CAN'T TELL YOU, BUT IF THIS WOULD BE APPROVED, I WISH

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BECAUSE THAT COLLEGE CAMPUS IS BEAUTIFUL, AND THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE A SLUM WHEN THAT PLACE IS PUT IN.

I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYBODY SAYS UP HERE, THAT'S GOING TO TURN INTO A TRASH DUMP WHEN YOU GET THOSE TYPE OF PEOPLE IN THERE.

AND WE'VE GOT A GREAT COMMUNITY. EVERYBODY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MAINTAINS THEIR PLACE. THE COLLEGE DOES A FANTASTIC JOB. IT'S SO PEACEFUL.

AND TRAFFIC IS AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE AT TIMES, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP EMERGENCY SERVICES MOVING BECAUSE THAT'S THE LIFE AND DEATH ISSUE THERE. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: BILL THOMPSON.

>> SPEAKER: HELLO. MY NAME IS BILL THOMPSON.

I LIVE AT 371 MISSION TRACE DLIEF DRIVE.

ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT IS BEEN SAID EARLIER, BUT I AM GO IK OVER THE TRAFFIC IS SO IMPORTANT.

WE ONLY HAVE ONE EXIT AND ONE ENTRANCE IN MISSION TRACE DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE A SECONDARY ONE OR EMERGENCY ONE TO GO THROUGH THE BACK OF PUBLIX, AND AS ONE RESIDENT SAID, NOW PEOPLE USE THAT TO GET IN AND OUT AND THEY WILL COME FROM 16. THEY WILL COME BEHIND PUBLIX AND COME BACK AND THROUGH THIS FIRST STREET OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAVE NO OTHER EXIT OTHER THAN KENTON MORRISON, AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO TO GET WORSE. I'D BE SURPRISED IF YOU CAN MAKE THAT FOUR LANE. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ALL THE WAY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE PROBABLY HOMES OR FOUR MILE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE REST OF THE TRAFFIC AND A THE LAST SPEAKER SAID, FROM 7:00 TO 7:00 AT NIGHT, WE'RE ALMOST BUMPER-TO-BUMPER EXCEPT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DURING THE MIL OF THE DAY BECAUSE THAT IS A ROUTE EVERYBODY'S

>> BRAD WESTER. I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE AERIAL IMAGE. THIS RIGHT HERE.

YOU CAN SEE THE OUR PROPERTY IS ABUTTED BY THE FHP AT THE CORNER, THE FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL AND BE THEN THE COLLEGE ALL THE WAY AROUND. YOU CAN SEE WHERE MY POINTER IS.

THIS GREEN SPACE THAT ADORNS THE OUTER PERIMETER OF OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ALL A BUFFER THAT IS 100% PROTECTED IN THE PUD THAT THE COLLEGE SITS IN SITS CANNOT BE TOUCHED.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE REACHED OUT TO MELISSA MILLER, JD, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AND GENERAL COUNSEL AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF COLLEGE IN SEPTEMBE. BF WE EVER MADE AN APPLICATION OF SUBMITTAL, AND WE ENTERED INTO A CONVERSATION WITH HER, AND SHE WE SHARED OUR CONCEPT PLAN, AND I DO THAT EVERY TIME.

I DON'T SUBMIT BEFORE I TALK TO THE FOLKS AROUND OUR PROPERTY.

AND WE SHARED WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.

WE SHARED IDEAS FOR OUR FUTURES. WE ACTUALLY SHARED A SKETCH PROVIDING A SIDEWALK CONNECTION TO THE COLLEGE.

SO THIS COULD BE USED AS SOMEWHAT OF A STUDENT HOUSING IF NEEDED OR JUST PURE BETTER INTERCONNECTIVITY AND ACCESS TO THE ABUTTING PROPERTIES, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A POLICY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT WE REACHED OUT, AND SINCE THEN WE HAVE HAD SEFERLD OTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH COLLEGE, AND JUST NOW CLEARLY TALKING WITH THE PRESIDENT AND THEIR COUNSEL TO SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES ON JUNE 15TH TO FURTHER THIS CONVERSATION. I DID WANT TO POINT THAT OUT ON THE RECORD, THAT WE DID REACH OUT, AND WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS PREVIOUSLY RESIDENTIAL PRIOR TO 1989, AND I WANT TO SHARE AN EXHIBIT HERE. I'M GOING TO PUT IT UP HERE.

SO THIS PROPERTY WAS PERMITTED AND ENTITLED FOR THROUGH A CONDITIN OF THREE ACCESS POINTS.

TWO OF THOSE ON THIS EXHIBIT WERE TO STATE ROAD 16.

ONE OF THOSE WAS TO INSPECTION STATION ROAD, KENTON MORRISON.

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175,000 SQUARES FEET OF SHOPPING CENTER, INCLUDING A REDUCED PASSERBY CATCH OF FOLKS DRIVING BY AND PULLING INTO THE PROPERTY WHICH IS A TRAFFIC ENGINEERING METHODOLOGY GENERATION 7,407 DAILY TRIPS AND 5:99 P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP. YOU CAN IN A SENSE SAY WE'RE DOWN ZONING THE INTENSITY OF THIS PROPERTY BY DOING A PUD.

AND ONE THING THAT CAME OUT OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP RECENTLY WAS THE NEED FOR MORE DIVERSIFIED HOUSING.

THE NEED FOR MORE INFILL DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVIZED INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY, AND THE NEED FOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE ACCESS TO BETTER TRANSPORTATION ROUTES, INTERCONNECTIVITY, AND SERVICES. AND THIS PROVIDES ALL OF THOSE.

I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE OTHER PROGRAM.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY I DON'T RECOGNIZE THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS, OF THE COMMUNITY. I DO.

BUT JUST AS THEIR EXCITEMENT AND THEIR PASSION FOR LIVING IN MISSION PHRASE AND OTHER NEARBY COMMUNITIES, WE WANT THAT SAME PASSION TO EXIST FOR FOLKS TO COME AND LIVE IN THIS APARTMENT COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO I KIND OF TAKE OFFENSE TO, QUOTE, THOSE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT MIGHT MOVE IN HERE.

THAT'S A VERY INJURIOUS PERCEPTION OF FAMILIES THAT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THAT MABEL CAN ONLY AFFORD TO LIVE IN AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY FOR A DIVERSIFIED HOW LONG OPTION. PACK BACK TO MY POINT OF THE LN OF THIS PROPERTY. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER AROUND OUR PROPERTY. THERE'S PROTECTED IN A PUD, AND THAT IS THE ST. JOHN RIVER STATE COLLEGE PUD.

WE SCUDS POTENTIALLY IMPACTING THAT -- DISCUSSED POTENTIALLY IMPACT THAT BUFFER FOR INTRAWK INTEREXESKT AND DECIDED IT'S TYPE OF HEAVY LIFT TO GO THROUGH THE PUD AND THROUGH THE COLLEGE.

THERE ARE OTHER METHODS OF INTERCONNECTIVITY BY SIDEWALK TO THE SCHOOL. THERE WAS ONE RESIDENT THAT CAME UP AND SAID, YOU KNOW, KIND OF USED MY COMMENT ABOUT SAYING A BURDEN. A BURDEN IS A LEGAL TERM FOR A HARDSHIP. THE HARDSHIP THAT IS JUSTIFIED IN MY CONTEXT OF BURDEN WAS SPECIFICALLY TO RECREATION, ACTIVE RECREATION, NOT PASSIVE, NOT OPEN SPACE.

WE MEET THE 25% OPEN SPACE ON OUR PROPERTY.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A WAIVER FROM OPEN SPACE.

OKAY? SO THE ACTIVE RECREATION, IT REALLY ONLY MAKES SENSE TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE COMMUNITY ON BIKES AND BY FOOT TO GO USING SERVICES, SCHOOLS, OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO GETTING NAIR CAR, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS LOCATION DOES.

AGAIN, INCENTIVIZE INFIF FILL DEVELOPMENT, PROVIDE A WIDE RANGE OF HOUSING ONGS, PRESERVE OPEN SPACE.

I'M ON RECORD OF SAYING WE DO THAT.

REDUCE TRAFFIC IMPACTS. THIS 100%, 4.5 TIMES REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IMPACTS COMPARED TO WHAT COULD GO THERE RIGHT NOW AS 175,000 SQUARE FOOT SHOPPING CENTER.

AND IT IS ENTITLED BY RIGHT TO HAVE ONE ACCESS POINT OFF OF KENTON MORRISON ROAD. A DEVELOPER COULD COME AND PULL PERMITS FOR 30 YEARS IT SAT VACANT AND IDLE.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO BEING A NATURAL WIND BLOCK FOR A COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS LAND IS ABOUT IS I GET IT, THERE'S TREES ON IT. BUT IT WASN'T DESIGNED AND PERMITTED AS A WIND BLOCK FOR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES.

WE HAVE ADEQUATE BUFFERING BETWEEN OUR USES, AND WE'LL TONIGHT TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE BUFFERING AND ENHANCED LANDSCAPING. THE ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IS WE TALKED ABOUT A WAIVER FROM 50 FEET TO 20 FEET.

AND THAT'S IN CONTEXT TO THE PROPERTY TO THE, IF I CAN ACCESS TO THE DIAGRAM ONE MORE TIME, PLEASE, MY EXHIBIT.

I WANTED TO GO OVER THE SITE PLAN.

SO THE SITE PLAN HERE SHOWS THE STATE ROAD THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT.

WE ARE A MINIMUM OF 77 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT.

77 FEET. OF NOTHING BUT GRASS, DITCH, SWALE, TALK SIDEWALK, OUR BUG AND THEN A BUILDING.

77 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF OUR BUILDING TO THE PAVEMENT.

THAT'S PREATD SIGNIFICANT. THAT'S WAY MORE THAN 50 FEET.

WE HAVE A 20-FOOT BUFFER AND THEN ANOTHER -- TO OUR PROPERTY

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SO WE ARE 77 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT FROM STATE ROAD TO THE NEAREST BUILDINGS. AGAIN, IF THAT STREET WAS ANY CLOSER, IT WOULD STILL ANITA THE 50% REQUIREMENT, SO THAT'S 77 FEET. YOU HEARD THE FOLKS AT MISSION TRACE, AND I RESPECT THEIR OPINIONS.

THEY HAVE ALSO TWO ACCESS POINTS.

THEY DESCRIBED A PRIMARY ACCESS POINT AND A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT. WE HAVE THE EXACT SAME THING.

WE HAVE A PRIMARY ACCESS POINT, 100% IT IS OUT TO STATE ROAD 16.

IT'S THE WAY THIS DEVELOPMENT IS MODELED.

THEN WE HAVE A GATED ACCESS POINT OUT TO KENTON MORRISON FOR RESIDENTS ONLY. NOT CUT-THROUGH TRAFFIC.

SO IT IS A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT.

THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC WILL BE GOING OUT TO STATE ROAD 16.

SO THESE ARE JUST SOME POINTS I WANTED TO BRING UP REGARDING BUFFERING, THE OTHER ONE IS WATER AND SEWER.

WE TALKED ABOUT WATER AND SEWER. WE ACTUALLY A WATER AND SEWER AVAILABILITY LETTERS WHICH PART OF THIS PROCESS.

THEY HAVE ADEQUATE CAPACITY FOR WATER AND SECURE SEWER CENTRALIZED. I DO ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL BETTER I WOULD BE REMISS TO NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND ALSO ASK FOR CONSIDERATION TO CONTINUE THIS WITHOUT A VOTE. NOW, I KNOW YOU GUYS COULD VOTE DENIAL. I KNOW YOU GUYS COULD VOTE APPROVAL. IF YOU VOTE APPROVAL, IT'S NOT A WIN-WIN. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, BEING TO BCC. BUT IT'S NOT FAIR TO BCC.

WHAT'S FAIR IS FOR THE THE RESIDENTS TO SEE AND MEET WITH THEM 1K3U78 I'M GOING TO MEET WITH THEM.

I AM ALSO GOING TO MEET WITH THE COLLEGE WITH THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL AT THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AT THEIR SCHEDULED BOARD MEETING BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH THE COUNTY AGAIN TO DISCUSS ENGTD AND I WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS TO DISCUSS KENTON MORRISON.

WE'RE NOT ACCESSING OUR SECOND RAY ACCESS POINT IS NOT ACROSS FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S ACROSS FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER. IT IS THEIR SECONDARY ACCESS POINT THAT FEEDS INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER, NOT PRIMARY TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. I JUST ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF SOME OF THESE FACTORS.

WE ARE GOING TO PAY 870 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS IN PROPORTIONATE SHARE FOR A 1% OVERAGE ON THE CAPACITY OF KENTON MORRISON. 1%.

IF THAT 175,000 SQUARE FOOT SHOPPING CENTER WERE TO BE DEVELOPED AND THEY'D HAVE 5:99 P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND OVER 740 DAILY TRIPS, THEY WOULD PAY ZERO, ZERO.

IT'S THE LETTER OF THE LAW, THEY PAY ZERO IN PROPORTIONATE SHARE TO EVER GO INTO ANY CONCURRENCIY RADIUS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO KENTON MORRISON OR ANY OTHER ROADWAY WHICH WOULD BE IMPACTED WHICH WOULD BE WAY GREATER THAN A TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. THE COMMON SENSE IS LA'EL IS A DOWN INTENSECATION OF ZONING AND IT FULFILL WHAT CAME OUT OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOPS REASONABLE.

MORE DIVERSIFIED HOUSING TYPES, MORE INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS INCENTIVIZED, PROTECTION OF ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES, AND INTERCONNECTIVITY TO VARIOUS USES CONNECTED BY MIXED USE CORRIDOR, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

I GET IT. THE BEST THING FOR RESIDENTS AROUND HERE WOULD BE NOTHING TO BE DEVELOPED.

I SAY IT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED IN 30 YEARS SINCE IT HAD WENT FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL. BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS THIS IS AN INFILL PARCEL. ONE DAY IT WILL BE DEVELOPED.

DO WE WANT TO CONTROL WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOW OR LEAVE IT COMMERCIAL WITH 7400 DAILY TRIPS.

AND 5 FINANCE 9 PEAK HOUR TULIPS WITHOUT COMING TO ONE PUBLIC HEARING. THEY COULD GO DESIGN, PERMIT AND CONSTRUCTION AS-IS. SO I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR BLESSING AND A CONTINUANCE FOR THIS MATTER TO GO MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS, TO GO MEET WITH THE COLLEGE.

OUT OF RESPECT. I GOT FIVE NOTICES OF OPPOSITION AND THE THE COUNTY WAS GREAT TO SEND THOSE TO ME.

AS THE APPLICANT IT'S MY DUTY TO GO REACH OUT TO THOSE.

I REACHED ON IT TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

I GOT THROUGH TO ONE. AID VERY GOOD DIALOGUE, CONVERSATION WITH THE GENTLEMAN, AND I SAID, LISTEN, I KNOW YOU'RE STILL GOING OPPOSE IT AND I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TODAY, AND IT WAS ABOUT TRAFFIC. BUT YOU DIDN'T GET THROUGH TO THE OTHERS. NOBODY REPLIED TO ME.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS GOING TO BE WAS-PLUS RESIDENTS HERE, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY FINE. BUT HAD I KNOWN THIS MANY FOLKS WERE GOING TO REACH OUT AND BE CONCERNED, I WOULD HAVE NOT HAD THIS MEETING. I WOULD HAVE HAD A COMMUNE MEETING WITH THEM LIKE WE DO IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR AND DIALOGUE THE WITH CONCERNS TO DLEAS THAT AND ACTUALLY PRESENT THE FACTS. WE'RE HAVING TO PRESENT THE FACT NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING AS OPPOSED TO WHAT MAYBE WAS HEARD OVER SOCIAL MEDIA IN AN ORGANIZATION EVER ORGANIZED OPPOSITION, BUT I RESPECT THEIR OPINION.

I RESPECT THEIR CONCERNS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES AND COME BACK BEFORE YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO, MR., YOU'RE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE. IS THERE A DATE CERTAIN OR WOULD

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>> SPEAKER: WE HAVE A COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING ON JUNE 21ST. THIS IS TECHNICAL SCHEDULED FOR.

I DON'T HAVE A DATE CERTAIN BUT I KNOW -- I THINK WHAT THE BEST OPTION WOULD BE AFTER JUNE JUNE== 15TH BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AT THE SCHOOL, SO SOME TIME AFTER JUNE 15TH I THINK WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST, BUT

I DON'T HAVE A DATE YET. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO VOTE AT THE END OF THIS MEETING TO NOT HAVE THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY BECAUSE THE COUNTY COMMISSION IS NOT MEETING THEN. WHAT'S OUR SECOND MEETING IN JUNE? THAT'S THE NEXT DAY.

THAT DOESN'T LEAVE YOU A WHOLE LOT OF TIME.

I MEAN, IS THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY TOO LONG? THAT PUTS YOU INTO AUGUST FOR COMMISSION APPROVAL OR NOT.

>> SPEAKER: WELL, IF THERE'S A WAY TO HAVE MAYBE THE COUNTY COMMISSION A LOT CLOSER TOGETHER TO THE PZA MEETING, IF WE COULD STRUCTURE THAT. I KNOW TYPICALLY THE COUNTY LIKES TO HAVE 30 DAYS BUT IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO GET THEM A LITTLE BIT CLOSER IN THE SAME MONTH, I THINK WE WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO THAT. OUT OF THE RESPECT TO THE CONCERNED CITIZENS, I'D BE SILL TO TRY TO FORCE A VOTE.

WHAT DOES THAT DO TO ME? WALK OUT WITH A VICTORY? EVERYBODY SHOWS UP AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

I WANT TO GIVE THE FACTS TO THE COMMUNITY AND TAKE THEIR CONSIDERATIONS. WHEN WHEN WE WE MADE A PITCH FOR PITCH FOR UNITS. WE'RE DOWN -- WE'VE COME DOWN FROM OUR PREAPPLICATION MEETING WE HAD WITH THE COUNTY AND OUR FIRST INITIAL SCRUIVET COMMUNITY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ARE YOU TRYING TO TALK YOURSELF OUT OF

IT? >> SPEAKER: SO I JUST THINK THE REASONABLE THING IS TO HUDDLE UP WITH THE COMMUNITY ONE

MORE TIME IF YOU SO OBLIGE. >> MR. MATOVINA: AND THE BOARD WILL MAKE THE DECISION, BUT WHAT DOES STAFF SAY ABOUT DATES?

>> SORRY, MR. CHAIR. GO AHEAD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IF THEY'RE GOING TO MEET THE ON 15TH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE 16TH WOULD BE UNREASONABLE.

IT WOULDN'T LEAVE THEM ENOUGH TIME.

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S UNREASONABLE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I REALLY DON'T.

I WILL HAVE ONE MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES, THEN THE FULL BOARD, AND YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT AND THE COUNCIL TODAY ABOUT IT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE FULLY VETTED AND WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE INTO -- I HAVE DIALOGUE WITH THEM NOW. I THINK WE HAVE NO COMMUNICATION WITH THEM NOW BESIDE WHO WE REACHED OUT TO ORIGINALLY.

I THINK 216TH WOULD BE PALATABLE, ACTUALLY, ERR WHY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK, YOU'RE ON THE

QUEUE HERE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: BRAD, I THINK THAT I WAS REALLIAL GOOD REBUTTAL AND YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY VERY SMART AND PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS, GIVE GOOD ANSWERS AND WELL THOUGHT-OUT AND YOU'RE GOOD AT YOUR JOB OBVIOUSLY.

LET ME ASK A FEW QUESTIONS. I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO A CONTINUANCE BUT ALL THESE PEOPLE CAME OUT HERE TODAY, AND THEN THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE RETIRED, BUT STILL EVEN IF YOU'RE RETIRED, IT CAN BE A HAS EL TO COME OUT HERE DURING THE DAY AND SIT HERE FOR HOURS AND GIVEN TO THIS. A SO THAT'S A CONCERN.

YOU SAID YOUR BUILDING, THE CORNER OF THAT BUILDING IS 77 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT?

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO IF IT'S SO FAR OFF THE ROAD, WHY DO YOU NEED TO ASK FOR THE WAIVER OF

THE 50-FOOT SETBACK? >> SPEAKER: IT'S IT IS RALLY A SIDE ORIENTATION BECAUSE WE'VE GOT 20 FEET TO WHERE OUR SETBACK LINE IS. AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY AN ORIENTATION OF HOW WE CAN GET THE UNITS DESIGNED ON THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, THESE AREN'T HIGH INTENSITY UNITS. THREE STORY UNITS, 238 IN THE CONTEXT OF MIXED USE LAND USE, BUT WE'RE SET BACK SO FAR FROM THE LOAD ROADWAY ALREADY, 77 FEET.

ANOTHER 30 FEET ADDED TO THAT JUST, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, SEEMS UNNECESSARY. AND THE CODE DOES READ 50 FEET FROM ARTERIAL RIOTS FOR LOTS FOR THAT WE'RE NO LOTS.

WE'RE ONE BIG GIANT RESIDENTIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY.

WE'RE NOT ASKING TO BE PLATTED. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I THOUGHT IT SAID RESIDENTIAL USES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> SPEAKER: IT SAYS RESIDENTIAL LOTS, SIR.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY SPUNCHT I'M HERE TO TELL YOU WE'RE GOING TO CAP IT TO 45 FEET, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WILL STATE THAT NOW ML CLARIFY THAT WITH FREES A AND STAFF. IF YOU DO 10, 10, 10 PLUS THE ROOF FITCH PITCH, 45 FEET IS TYPICAL FOR A THREE-STORY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I TOLD YOU EARLIER I LOOKED AT ST. AUGUSTINE ENTRANCE AS I DROVE BY THERE.

THEY'RE SET WAY BACK THERE BEFORE ANY OF THEIR UNITS START TO APPEAR THEIR. THEY'RE A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET

OFF THE ROAD. >> SPEAKER: MUCH LARGER PIECE OF PROPERTY. MUCH MORE ELBOW RAONEL.

EVE 19.22 ACRES. CONVENTIONAL SITE.

WE'RE TRYING TO WORK AROUND WETLAND.

I LEAVE IT TO THE BOARD. I MADE THE REQUEST.

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COMMISSION MEETING. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I BELIEVE

YOU. >> SPEAKER: IT'S MY PLEDGE WHICHEVER DIRECTION WE GO, BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE A VOTE OF APPROVAL, BUT REGARDLESS I'M STILL GOING TO MEET WITH THE

COMMUNITY AND OFFER THAT UP. >> DR. HILSENBECK: ONE THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT IT'S PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE VOTED TODAY TO APPROVE THIS BECAUSE I KEPT ASKING ABOUT THE 60-FOOT HEIGHT, 60-FOOT HEIGHT AND WAS TOLD NO, NO, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT WHICH I BELIEVE YOU'RE NO GOING TO DO IT, BUT WE COULD HAVE VOTED TODAY, LET'S SAY WE VOTED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TO APPROVE THIS, IF TERESA, MS. BISHOP HAD NOT POINTED OUT THAT, YES, IT DOES STATE IN THERE, AS I THOUGHT I READ OVER AND OVER, THAT THESE COULD BE 60 FEET TALL BUILDINGS IN THERE, WE COULD HAVE APPROVED HAVE THEN SOLD THIS, SOMETHING COULD GO IN THERE AT 60 FEETAL TALL AND WE WOULD HAVE APPROVED IT WITH NOBODY REALLY NOTICING THAT.

AND I DID SEE IT AND I'M VERY GLAD THAT SHE POINTED OUT THAT THAT'S IN THERE. SO I'M CONCERNED THAT THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TODAY. SO THAT SOURS ME SOMEWHAT ON SOME OF THIS. I'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS DOWN HERE. PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE YOU.

MAKE A GOOD POINT THE ON TRAFFIC.

THE COMMERCIAL THERE WOULD HAVE GENERATED A LOT MORE TRAFFIC, NO

DOUBT. >> SPEAKER: FOUR AND A HALF

TIMES. >> DR. HILSENBECK:, AND THEY WOULD HAVE PAID ZERO IN PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T EMBRACE THAT CONCEPT BUT THAT WAS WAY OVER MY PAY GRADE. THAT WAS PASSED BY THE COUNTY IN 2018, I THINK. THAT'S IN THEIR WISDOM TO THA.

BUT STILL AND THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE YOUR -- WHAT WAS IT? -- $171,637. JUST ON THE HOLMES BOULEVARD PIECES, THERE'S NEARLY A $34 MILLION NEED FOR UPGRADING ROADS, YET THERE ARE NO COMMITMENTS, AND IT'S ALL UNFUNDED. AND THEN I WANT TO ASK THE STAFF QUICKLY WHILE YOU'RE STILL STANDING THERE BECAUSE I MIGHT HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, THE MAP THAT WE HAD IN OUR PACKET, IT SHOWS THE DEFICIENT ROAD SECTIONS OOH HOLME BELIEVED AND FOUR MILE ROAD AND ALL THAT, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF SOMEBODY MAYBE FROM THE TRAFFIC RIGHT ACROSS FROM YOU THERE IS WOODLAWN, AND WOODLAWN IS ALSO A DEFICIENT ROAD GOING ALL THE WAY OVER TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY. I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY THAT WAS NOT -- AND THIS ISN'T A QUESTION FOUR -- BUT I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY THAT WASN'T INCLUDED THE IN DISCUSSION OR THE CALCULATIONS.

WHY ONLY HOLMES AND FOUR MILE AND NOT WOODLAWN, WHICH IS ALSO DEFICIENT AND PROBABLY -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST FOR THAT IS. I'M JUST CURIOUS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THESE MAPS ARE PUT TOGETHER.

THEY SEEM TO VARY FROM DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL TO DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL OF WHAT IS INCLUDED AS A DEFICIENT SEGMENT OR ADVERSELY IMPACTED, SO I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT WOODLAWN WOULD HAVE ALSO BEEN IN THIS TABLE OF THE 34 MILLION, NEARLY, IN NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS. SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR ANSWER.

THANK YOU. >> VICIALGHT KUTNEY, TRANSPORTATION DIVISION. SO WHEN WE DID LOOK AT -- AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A TRAFFIC STUDY.

THEY DID SUBMIT A CONCURRENCY APPLICATION OH WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A TRAFFIC STUDY WITH THEM.

WE RECEIVED THE MODEL RUN FROM THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND IT DOES NOT SHOW ENOUGH TRAFFIC GOING ONTO WOODLAWN FROM THIS PROJECT, SO THEY DO NOT REACH THAT 1% CAPACITY WHICH IS OUR REQUIREMENT FOR THE ADVERSELY IMPACTED LINKS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT EXPLAINS QUITE A FEW THINGS FOR ME. SO YOU RELIED ON THEIR TRAFFIC

STUDIES, AND YOU SAID AND MODEL. >> SPEAKER: THEY DO A MODEL RUN FOR A DISTRIBUTION FROM THEIR PROJECT ENTRANCE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WHAT EXACTLY IS A MODEL RUN? IS THAT LIKE A GIS MODEL? IS THAT TBAIDZ ON DATA?

>> SPEAKER: IT IS TBAIDZ ON DATA.

IT IS LICENSED OUT TO DIFFERENT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.

IT IS A I BELIEVE A NATIONAL WIDE MODEL THAT IS BASED OFF OF

OUR DATA. >> DR. HILSENBECK: BUT IT'S

NOT BASED ON TRAFFIC COUNTS. >> SPEAKER: I'M SORRY? THEY TAKE OUR TRAFFIC COUNTS INTO ACCOUNT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: DO THINK DO IT WITH TRAFFIC COUNTERS.

>> SPEAKER: THEY DO NOT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: WE WERE

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IT'S BASED THE ON MODELS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE AT THIS POINT. I'M SORRY.

>> SPEAKER: THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MODEL AND OUR SPREADSHEET. OUR SPREADSHEET IS OUR ANNUAL TRAFFIC COUNTS, WHICH DO USE THE COUNTERS YOU ARE DESCRIBING.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: EVERY YEAR. >> SPEAKER: EVERY YEAR, CORRECT. AND THEN THE MODEL IS USUALLY RUN WHEN WE DO TRACK OF LUTAS IN OUR CONCURRENCY, AND THAT IS HOW WE GET A DISTRIBUTION OF WHAT PERCENT OF TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO WHERE FROM THE PROJECT'S ENTRANCE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION YOU DID NOT DO THOSE COUNTERS EVERY YEAR ALL OVER THE COUNTY HELP

HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY DO THAT? >> SPEAKER: WE CONTRACT OUT TO A COMPANY THAT DOES THE COUNTS FOR US, AND THEN THEY PROVIDE US THE DATA IN A RAW COUNT, AND THEN WE ANALYZE IT FROM THERE AND THAT'S HOW WE INPUT NIGHT OUR SPREADSHEET EVERY YEAR.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT.

I DRIVE A LOT AROUND THE COUNTY AND I RARELY THESE THOSE SOWRNTS

OUT. >> SPEAKER: THEY ARE SPECIFIC TIEMENTS OF THE YEAR. THEY ARE NOT UP ALL YEAR.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT EVERY YEAR EVERY ROAD IN THE COUNTY IS COUNTED.

>> SPEAKER: NOT EVERY ROAD IN COUNTY IS COUNTED EVERY YEAR.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE LEGAL STAFF. YOU RECEIVED THAT PETITION FROM ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE. I JUST WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE

SIGNED THAT MORE OR LESS. >> I DIDN'T SIGHT.

MARIE HAS IT. BUT I WILL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO REMIND YOU AND THE AUDIENCE OF THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, WHICH A PUD HEARING IS.

THE DECISION HAS TO BE BASED ON COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND GENERALLY COURTS OF LAW HAVE FOUND THAT PETITIONS, SHOW OF HANDS, NUMBERS OF PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT IS NOT CONSIDERED FACT-BASED EVIDENCE OR COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL

EVIDENCE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I FULLY AGREE WITH THAT AND I HAVE THAT OUTLINED AND UNDERLINED ON MY DOCUMENTS HERE. I KNOW THAT IT HAS TO BE BASED ON THAT, ABSOLUTELY. SO I HAVE A QUESTION, ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF. IT SAID THERE WAS AN OPEN DOMENT, ONE OPEN COMMENT FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING DIVISION APPARENTLY THAT HAD NOT BEEN ADDRESSED OR ANSWERED.

WHAT S THAT ONE OPEN COMMENT? >> DR. HILSENBECK BECK, WHILE THREAR COMING OUT, THEY SELF REPORT 156 PETITIONS OR SIGNATURES, SO THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT THEY SELF-REPORT.

WE HAVEN'T VERIFIED OR SELF REPORTED.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT WAS JUST ROYAL ST. AUGUSTINE.

YEP. OKAY.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON WITH JUSTIN KELLY WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO OPEN COMMENTS.

ENVIRONMENTAL HAS OPENED UP THATMENT COULDRD RING THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT. WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT THAT THEY SUBMITTED THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE RESOLVED. IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE STAFF REPORT IN ANY WAY. THERE'S JUST AN ISSUE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL RORT THAT NEEDS TO BE REVISED.

THE OTHER OPEN COMMENT IS RECORDING THE INCREMENTAL OR EXCUSE ME NOT INCREMENTAL BUT THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP THAT WOULD BE RECORDED SO THAT'S THE ONLY OPEN COMMENT THAT PLANNING AND ZONING THAT IS, THAT IS IF THIS IS APPROVED BY THE BHOAFERRED COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

WE ASKED THEM TO COME BACK AND AND SUB IN THE A MYLAR WITH THE CLERK COURTS, SO THOSE ARE THE TWO OPEN COMMENTS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.

LET ME SEE IF I HAVE ANY ACTUAL QUESTIONS.

I DO HAVE ONE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY MARKET RATE BUT I JUST WONDER WHAT YOUR RENTAL RATE FOR THESE UNITS ARE GOING TO BE.

>> SPEAKER: THEY'RE GOING TO BE MARKET PRATE.

WE HAVE ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS

>> DR. HILSENBECK: LET ME SEE. I'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCRIBBLING ON HERE. ANYTHING ELSE HERE.

I THINK I'M FINE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: I WILL SAY THIS. THE TRACK OF METHODOLOGY AND ASSESS THAMENTS WE SUPPLY AS PART OF OUR CONCURRENCY APPLICANT, THE METHODOLOGY HAS TO BE AGREED UPON WITH THE COUNTY STAFF BEFORE WE SUBMIT THE APPLICATION AND HOW WE'RE GOING D. TO GIVEE UP THE GENERATION AND DISTRIBUTION AT THE MODEL SO HIEWT A PREDETERMINED SCENARIO IN TERMS OF METHODOLOGY THAT'S APPLIED FOR ANY SPECIFIC TYPE OF ROADWAY. IN THIS CASE A COUNTY RADIOED AND A STATE ROAD THAT. AGREED UPON AND THEN THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED SO IT'S REAL REALLY IN CONCERT WITH THE COUNTY'S METHODOLOGY REQUIREMENTS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT WAS HELPFUL.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: DO ANY OTHER AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE

AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> MR. MATT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO AFTER SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE JUNE 16TH MEETING DEPENDING

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THERE ARE CURRENTLY 13 APPLICATIONS ON THAT AGENDA.

>> MR. CHAIR, I THOUGHT WE WERE ENTERTAINING THE APPLICANT'S

QUESTION ABOUT DEFERRING THIS. >> MR. MATOVINA: THAT REQUIRES

A MOTION. >> THERE YOU GO.

THANK YOU. 3.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 10 TO JUNE 16TH EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY LONG MEETING. MARCHGHTS WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. PERKIN, SECOND BY MR. PETER.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I WILL JUST COMMENT THAT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, BUT I THINK THIS IS A WISE MOVE BY THE APPLICANT, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU GO AND HOPEFULLY IRON OUT SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES THAT WILL MAKE FOR A BETTER PROJECT. SO APPRECIATE THAT.

STAFF IS ON THE QUEUE ON THE. >> MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, GIVEN THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING IS JUNE 21ST, IT'S SO CLOSE THAT THEY WILL NOT -- THEIR STAFF REPORT WILL NOT REFLECT ANYTHING ON THIS, SO JUST BE

AWARE IF IT IS SET THAT CLOSE. >> MR. MATOVINA: I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IF WE GO TO THE NEXT MEETING, IT'S GOING TO BE THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY, MOST LIKELY, BECAUSE WE'RE PROTOCOL GOING TO VOTE NEXT TO THE NOV A MEETING THE FIRST WEEK OF JULY AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN AUGUST WITH THE B OCHTCC OCC ANI

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ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE READY TO REGISTER THE VOTE.

SO THIS ITEM HAS BEEN DEFERRED TO JUNE THE 16TH.

>> AND THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: NOW THAT BRINGS US BACK TO JUST OUR REGULAR AGENDA.

IS THERE ANY REPORTS FROM STAFF? >> MR. CHAIR, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DID CANCEL THEIR JULY -- THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY FOR BCC, SO I MENTIONED THAT TO THE PZA IN THE LAST MEETING WE'D FIND OUT P THEY DID.

IT'S THE BOARD BEST DISCRETION ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD LIKE THE CANCEL DID FIRST MEETING IN JULY OR KEEP IT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO THAT WAS THAT DATE?

>> JULY 7TH. >> MR. MATOVINA: WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE

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