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>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND I'D ASK THAT EVERYONE STAND FOR THE LEDGE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND I'M GOING TO GO OFF-SCRIPT FOR JUST A SECOND AND SAY TWHEEFD HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH TURNOVER AND PEOPLE BEING OUT FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF HERE, AND I HAVE TO JUST SAY THAT IT'S WONDERFUL EVERY TIME WE SHOW UP, EVERYTHING IS READY FOR US TO GO, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MARIE AND DEBBIE AND TERESA AND CHRISTINE AND LEX, THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK, AND TOM BACK THERE. EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS IN ORDER FOR US AND WE SURE APPRECIATE IT.
LET'S GIVE THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE, PLEASE.
[APPLAUSE] AND NOW I'M GOING TO REALLY ASK YOU TO DIVULGE ME IN GOING OFF-SCRIPT AND LET'S SING HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO DR. HILSENBECK. ♪ HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU ♪ ♪ HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU ♪ ♪ HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR RICHARD ♪ ♪ HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU. ♪
[APPLAUSE] >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M NOT GETTING HOLD.
>> MR. MATOVINA: NOW WE'LL GET BACK TO SCRIPT.
CAN YOU READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT FOR ME, MADAME VICE
THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING.
ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING AND FOR A LENGT OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES.
SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.
IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD.
THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER
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PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION.CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.
MARCHLT ALL RIGHT. THE THANK YOU, MADAME VICE CHAIR. THIS IS OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ALLOWED FOR EACH YOU AT, BUT IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MA A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT ANYTHING THAT IS ON THE NOT ON THE AGENDA OR ON THE AGENDA YOU CAN DO SO.
GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YES, SIR, MCCORMICK NORTHWESTERNY. MR. MCCORMIK NORTHWESTERNY.
>> I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THIS ON THE RECORD.
I WILL USE THIS FOR MANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT I WILL TALK ON
>> MR. MATOVINA: SKIM NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> SPEAKER: I'M SO SORRY JOE MCANERNW.
AS A CONCERNED CITIZENS WITH OTHER CONCERNED CITIZENS, TRAFFIC IS A -- IS FREQUENTLY BROUGHT UP IN THE MEETINGS IN WHICH TRAFFIC IS AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN MENTIONED. SO ON BEHALF OF MYSELF REALLY AND OTHERS, I DID REACH OUT TO A LAND USE ATTORNEY, RICHARD GROSSO WHO LIVES IN PLANTATION AND DID ASK FOR HIS INSIGHT AND INFORMATION WITH RESPECT TO GROWTH MANAGEMENT PRACTICES THAT
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LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN USE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY CAN USE.I MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY OBJECTIVE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBJECTIVE A125C. BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT FLORIDA STATUTE 163-3180. HE HAS WRITTEN AN EIGHT AND A HALF PAGE LETTER. I AM SORRY THAT I DON'T HAVE -- THAT MR. GROSSO IS NOT HERE AND I SURE WON'T WEAK TEN MINUTES TO TRY TO CHARACTERIZE EVERYTHING IN THE EIGHT AND A HALF PAGES BUT UM GOING TO SUBMIT THIS TO THE LION COUNTY FORT RECORD RATHER THAN TO PRESENT IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
YOU CAN READ IT. MAKE YOUR ON DETERMINATION, IF YOU WILL AND CERTAINLY RELY ON YOUR CROWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
BUT IT IS MR. GROSSO'S. THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DO HAVE INJURIES DIAGNOSIS AND DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER NOT ONLY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES BUT REZONINGS UNDER THE GUIDELINES OF A COMPLETE AND SUFFICIENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ALL GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ARE LAID OUT BY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT DOESN'T STOP WITH JUST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS. IT CARRIES FORWARD IN ALL CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE REQUESTING CHANGE.
SO I'M NOT THE EXPERT. I AM SORRY, BUT I AM GOING TO SUBMIT THIS EIGHT AND A HALF PAGE LETTER.
IT'S GOOD READING AND PROBABLY PROPER READING FOR EACH OF YOU BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THESE ISSUES COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND YOU ARE THE ADVISORY GROUP FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND SO YOUR ADVICE IS IMPORTANT IN THAT IT IS FACTUAL AND KNOWLEDGEABLE AND BASED ON ESTABLISHED LAW ALSO IMPORTANT. SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT. I'LL BE UP HERE A FEW MORE TIMES. BUT I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, YES, FLORIDA STATUTE 163-3180 IS THERE BUT SO IS A125C, AND IT CAN BE USED WITH RESPECT TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND REZONING.
THANK YOU. >> CHRISTINE, DO YOU HAVE ANY
CHRISTINE VALLIERE, SENIOR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.
I'VE SEEN THE MEMO FROM MR. GROSSO.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY DISPUTE OR DISAGREEMENT WITH WHAT IS STATED
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IN THAT MEMO. YOU MIGHT WANT TO READ IT YOU.MIGHT NOT WANT TO READ IT. BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING AS FAR AS HOW MY OFFICE WOULD ADVISE YOU TO CARRY OUT YOUR
ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE, WE ARE READY TO TAKE UP ITEMS NUMBER 1 AND 2, AND I'M GOING TO JUST SAY MICHAEL, IF YOU WOULD COME ON UP, YOU CAN MAKE A JOINT PRESENTATION. YOU CAN MAKE A SEPARATE IF YOU'D LIKE. AND WE WILL, OF COURSE, TAKE THEM UP SEPARATELY. BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE TO DECLARE WITH RESPECT TO ITEM NUMBER 2? SEEING NONE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR,
MICHAEL. >> AND GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, BOARD HBS. MICHAEL SZNAPSTAJLER FROM COBB COLE 149 IN DAYTONA BEACH. WE'RE HEACH TO HANDLE BOTH ITEMS IN ONE PRESENTATION. THAT'S HOW WE PREPARED IT SO WE'LL MOVED FORWARD THAT THAT REGARD.
HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF CAPSTONE, OUR COMPLIANT FOR THE COTTAGES AT ST. JOHN PROJECT. THIS IS A TWO-APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT HERE. WE HAVE A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT REZONING. WE'LL GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND THE PROPERTY. WE'LL SO SOME RENDERINGS.
WE'LL TALK THROUGH THE PROJECT BENEFITS AND THE PROJECT IMPACT ANALYSIS. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE AICP ONE-MINUTE VIDEO RENDERING THAT WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE PROJECT FROM ENTRANCE TO SEE PART OF THE NEIGHBOR AND THE COMMUNITY THAT OUR TEAM HAS PREPARED.
OUR APPLICANT CLIENT IS CAPSTONE COMMUNITIES.
THEY'RE BASED IN BIRMING HAMM, BLOOD SAMPLE AND THEY HAVE DEVELOPED MORE THAN III COMMUNITIES IN 23 STATES.
WE DO HAVE ALMOST OUR ENTIRE PROJECT TEAM HERE TODAY, A OUR COMPLIANT REPRESENTATIVE MACKWELL IS HERE, NEXT TO HIM RAJ TIND LAR OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, JODY OR 1 ASSISTANT ENGINEERING KEVIN LEE AND OUR ARCHITECT AS WELL.
THE PROPERTY IS A LITTLE LESS THAN 28 ACRES.
IT'S PARTIALLY SCRAIN WITH A FEW RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON IT.
NORTHWEST OF STATE ROAD 16 AND INTERNATIONAL FL GOLF PARKWAY.
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AND THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT FROMMIES SAYS RES-C TO RES-D AND REZONING FROM OPEN RURAL TO PUD.TO ALLOW FOR A VERY DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE MULTI-TEAM DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THAN I THK YOU'RE USED TO SEEING HERE.
OUR CLIENT DEVELOPMENTS COTTAGE TYPE COMMUNITIES INSPECTOR I'LL GO TO THAT IN A FEW SLIDES BUT ESSENTIALLY IT A SPREAD OUT UNSTACKED APARTMENT COMPLEX SO. INSTEAD OF RENTING AN APARTMENT WISH ESSENTIALLY RENTING A HOME WITH A BACKYARD, WITH A FRONT YARD, WITH YOUR PARKING SPACES ALL KIND OF SPREAD OUT.
IT HAS SOME REALLY, REALLY UNIQUE FEATURES AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT HOW THIS IS UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT AND OFFERS A DIVERSE HOUSING OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE DO HAVE 28 LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT WE RECEIVED THAT WE PRESERVED TO COUNTY OF STA DURING THE REZONING PROCESS.
I DO HAVE COPIES OF THEM HERE TODAY AS WELL, BUT WE DID SUBMIT THOSE WITH ONE OF THE PUD SUB MILTS WITH THE PROJECT AS WELL BUT I DO HAVE THEM HERE, AND HAND THEM IN FOR THE RECORD IF NECESSARY. SO AGAIN, JUST TAKING A STEP BACK, THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROJECT HERE.
YOU SEE MILL CREEK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL EAST OF THE SITE STATE ROAD 16 AND INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY THERE JUST TO THE EAST.
THE EXISTING ZONING IS OPEN RURAL.
AND THE FUTURE LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL C.
YOU KIND SEE SOME OF THE SURROUNDING LAND USES.
SO AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE BEFORE YOU WITH WHAT'S CALLED A COTTAGE STYLE COMMUNITY. ESSENTIALLY THESE HOMES PROVIDE THE PRIVACY AND SPACE OF A HOME, OF A SINGLE FAMILY STYLE HOME OR A COMPLEX OR A TOWNHOME, BUT WITH ALL THE CONVENIENCE AND AMENITIES THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN AN APARTMENT TYPE DEVELOPMENT, SO IT IS ONE SINGLE LOT. YOU CAN'T SUBDIVIDE THESE INTO INDIVIDUAL UNITS AND SELL THEM OFF.
IT IS ONE LOT, ONE BIG COMPLEX SIMILAR TO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT ALL THE UNITS ARE SPREAD OUT AND STACKED, SO THAT OUR BIGGEST BUILDING IS TWO STIRS STOWERS. WE DO HAVE ONE SMALL THREE STORY BUILDING THAT HAS A FEW UNITS IN IT, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE UNITS ARE ONE TO TWO STORIES. SO IT'S A LOW DENSITY TYPE PROJECT AND IT'S MODELED AFTER THE NEW URBANISM STYLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, THE TYPE OF PLACE WHERE EVERYTHING YOU WANT IN YOUR COMMUNITY IS RIGHT THERE IN ONE SPOT.
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OUTDOOR SPACES, SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN AREAS. YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE POCKET PARKS ON SOME OF THE SLIDES THAT WE HAVE GOING FORWARD.
AND AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS IS KIND OF A DIFFERENTIATED HOUSING OPTION. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING UNIQUE, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN ST. JOHN AS FAR AS WE KNOW, AND IT'S ALSO AN ATTAINABLE HOUSING OPTION.
IT'S NOT LUXURY. THEY'RE NOT -- THEY'RE IN LINE WITH THE MARKET IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WOULD BE PAYING FOR A RENTAL UNIT. FOR THE SAME PRICE AS YOUR TRADITION A RENTAL APARTMENT, YOU DO GET A WHOLE HOME.
YOU DO GET NO ONE LIVING ABOVE YOU, NO ONE LIVING BELOW YOU, MAYBE ONE PERSON LIVING TO THE SIDE OF YOU, BUT YOU DO GET A BACKYARD, FENCED IN, THE OPEN SPACE AND PARKS AS WELL.
THE TARGET RENTERS ARE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE AREA, TEACHERS, PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY, LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THEY JUST OPENED UP ONE OF THESE COMMUNITIES AND DAYTONA BEACH WHERE WE WORK, AND THE LEASING HAS GONE REALLY WELL.
IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL FROM THE START.
SO THIS FITS VERY WELL FOR EMPTY NORTHWESTERS WHO ARE LOOKING TO DOWNSIZE -- AMOUNT OF NESTERS, DON'T WANT A BIG YARD TO MOW OR ANYTHING BUT STILL WANT THAT PRIVACY, YOUNG PROFESSIONALS WHO WENT TO TEST OUT WHAT IT'S LIKE TO OWN A HOME WITHOUT ACTUALLY GETTING A DOWN PAYMENT AND A MORTGAGE AND INSURANCE, AND THEN ALSO IS A REALLY GOOD HOUSING OPTION FOR TRANSPLANTS BECAUSE YOU DO GET A FEELING OF BEING IN A HOME WHILE YOU STILL GET TO LEARN ABOUT YOUR NEW COMMUNITY AND EXPLORE THE AREA.
SO THIS PROVIDES KIND OF A ZOOMED-OUT LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE NO WAIVERS FROM THE CODE IN THIS REQUEST, SO WE'RE ABLE TO FIT THE DEVELOPMENT IN YOUR PUD STANDARDS WITHOUT ANY CHANGES P.
KIND OF STARTING FROM THE STATE ROAD 16 ENTRANCE, YOU CAN SEE A CLUBHOUSE ON THE RIGHT AND SOME OF THE UNITS THAT I'LL ZOOM IN HERE SHORTLY, BUT IT IS 250 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, A MIX OF ONE,
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TWO AND THREE BEDROOM APARTMENTS OR HOMES.THE CLUBHOUSE IS A LITTLE UNDER 4400 SQUARE FEET AND IT DOES HAVE A POOL. WE ARE HITTING THE 25% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT WITH CONSERVATION, PRESERVATION AREAS, RECREATION AREAS, BUFFERS AND GREEN SPACES.
YOU CAN SEE THE LARGE, ABOUT 2.E NORTHWEST OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S ALL BEAGLE PRESERVED. YOU'VE GOT TO STORM WATER POND TO THE SOUTH AS WELL SUSPECT AND AS I MENTIONED NO WAIVERS ARE BEING REQUESTED WITH THIS PROJECT.
THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A SENSE FOR THE AMENITIES THAT WILL BE THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I MENTIONED THE CLUBHOUSE.
THEY HAVE DOG WASHING STATIONS, SIDEWALKS, FITNESS ROOMS, COURT YARDS, PAVEL IMRONS AND 24/7 PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND SCOOTER AS WELL. THIS GIVES YOU A SENSE FOR WHAT THE COTTAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE OR WHAT A VERSION A COTTAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO THIS IS A ONE BEDROOM ONE BATH UNIT. IT'S 700 SQUARE FEET.
IT COMES WITH WASHER AND DRY ARE.
CREERLINGS 9 TO 12 FEET TALL. NICE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, LANDSCAPED. AND THIS IS A VERSION OF A THREE-BEDROOM UNIT WHICH IS JUST UNDER 1400 SQUARE FEET, THREE BEDROOMS AND THREE BATHS, TWO STORIES, NICE PORCHES, NICE AMENITIES, AND ETCHES FEATURES AS WELL.
AND THEN AS FAR AS WITHIN THE UNITS THEMSELVES, AGAIN, PRIVATE YARDS AND PATIOS. THEY HAVE VALET TRASH SERVICE FOR THE GARBAGE. THEY DO HAVE SMART HOMES, SO WI-FI-ENABLED AND USE OF SOME OF THE BEST TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE.
WOOD GRAIN FLOORING, CLOSETS, BEEN THE RAISED CEILINGS AND THE UPGRADED COUNTERTOPS AS WELL. AND THEN ALSO CAN ADD ON ENCLOSED PARKING GARAGES. SO THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE MORE OF A TECHNICAL LOOK AT WHAT WE SAW EARLIER, SO THE PROJECT ITSELF, IN CENTER THERE IS AN EXISTING FARM POND THAT'S BEING IF YOU WILL IN, SO THAT'S THAT CROSS-HATCHED AREA AT THE CENTER OF THE SITE. THERE IS A SMALL 2/10 OF AN ACRE WETLAND IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROJECT THAT IS SLATED FOR IMPACT. AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN ENTRANCE THERE, THE CLUBHOUSE IMMEDIATELY TO THE -- TO OUR RIGHT OF THAT ENTRANCE AS WELL. I DID WANT TO POINT OUT WITH THE PROPOSED LAND USE CHANGE TO RES-D, THE DENSITY COULD TECHNICAL GO UP TO 293 UNITS, BUTTER WOO LIMITING THIS DEVELOPMENT TO 250 UNITS, SO WE ARE UNDER THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IF THE LAND USE CHANGE WERE APPROVED BY ABOUT 43 UNITS. AND AGAIN WITH THAT 25 PERCENT OPEN SPACE, WE HAVE A LITTLE UNDER 6-1/2 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, 6.47 ACRES. SO WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT REVIEW, OUR CONCURRENCY APPLICATION IS IN WITH THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW. SCHOOL CONCURRENCY APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED IN DECEMBER. WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD TO GET BACK TO US, BUT WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT THERE IS EXISTING CAPACITY FOR SCHOOLS IN AND AROUND THIS AREA.
WE DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE UTILITIES AVAILABLE AND THERE'S ENOUGH CAPACITY TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT AGAIN WE HAVE MEASURED ABOUT 3.1 ACRES WETLAND OUT AT THE SITE AND WE'RE PREVENTION THE NORTHERN 2.9 ACRES WETLAND SO WE WILL HAVE A .2-ACRE IMPACT TO THAT ISOLATED WETLAND THAT I SHOWED YOU IN THE SWHEEFT EXOARN AND THEN THAT IS PART OF A -- SOUTHEAST CORNER, AND THEN THAT DOES CROSS OVER TO THE NEIGHBOR'S BOUNDARIES SO THERE IS A SECONDARY IMPACT SWOASHED THAT AS WELL.
D. -- ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AS WELL.
WITH RESPECT TO AGAIN PARKS AND OPEN SPACE THERE'S GOING TO BE A MITCHELL 6. 4 ACRES OPEN SPACE, AGAIN ALL OF THESE UNITS DO FEATURE FRONT AND PACK BACKYARDS THAT AREN'T REALLY COUNTED INTO THAT NUMBER SO THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL OPEN SPAS THERE. WE ARE PRESERVING THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.
AND THE POCKET PARKS ARE JUST A REALLY NEAT FEATURE THAT I DON'T THINK YOU SEE IN A LOT OF PLANNED NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THIS INATION DID THE BACKYARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE DO KNOW THAT TRAFFIC IS NEEDING CAPACITY UPGRADES IN AND AROUND THE AREA. OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT RAJ CHINNED LUR IS GOING TO COME UP AND BALK THE PROPOSED PROCEEDINGS ARE AT SHARE BUT WE DO BEVE THE REGION IS GOING TO CONTRIBUTE $1.1 MILLION IN FAIR SHARE TOWARD ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. WITH THAT, RAJ, COME UP.
>> SPEAKER: THROUGH THE THE CHAIR.
RAJ ERR CHINNED LAR 8833, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.
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BASED ON THE ANALYSIS WE RAN, WE SEE SOME DEFICIENT ROADWAYS EARVEL A ESPECIALLY ON STATE ROAD 16 AND IGP.THESE ARE CULTURAL DEFICIENT BEFORE THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE PUT IN, BUT THERE ARE SOME PROJECT, PLANNED PROJECT IMPROVEMENTS IN AREA. DOAD ST. JOHNS COUNTY I THINK IN IN THE WORKS TO UPGRADE THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROAD 16 AND IGP AND ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING THE CURRENT 2209 BETWEEN STATE ROAD 16 AND IGP AS A FOUR-LANE ROADWAY.
CAN IS THEN GRAND OAKS PROJECT IS ANTICIPATED TO MITIGAE SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES ON STATE ROAD 16 EAST OF THAT LOCATION.
WE MET WITH THE STAFF. WE UNDERSTOOD THESE DEFICIENCIES ARE EXISTING EXISTING WOULH SOME OF THE PROJECTS COMINGION.
AND WE ALSO DISCUSSIONED THE POTENTIAL POSSIBILITY OF ALLOCATING THE PROP IR SHA OF THE IMPACT FEES TOWARD THE CONSTRUCTION OF 2209 THAT IS VERY NEEDED IN THIS AREA, SO STAFF HAS AGREED TO SEE IF THAT CAN BE ALLOCATED TO THAT PROJECT. THAT PROJECT CAN PROGRESS SOONER THAN LATER. AND THEN BEE ALSO HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH FDOT WITH REGARDS TO THE ACCESS, SO THEY HAVE AGREED TO PROVIDE A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ACCESS OFF STATE ROAD 16 JUST SOUTH OF BRUCE LANDING, AND WITH THAT IMPROVEMENT WE ALSO ARE REQUIRED TO PUT A RIGHT ANYBODY WITH ROOT OUT LANE IN WEREY WHEN THE TRAFFIC IS NOT HINDERED ON STATE ROAD 16. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> MR. MATOVINA, IF I MAY SKA A QUESTION.
THROUGH THE CHAIR, WAS THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS BASED ON 250 UNITS OR THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED UNDER THE REQUESTED COMP PLAN
AMENDMENT? >> SPEAKER: ON THE COMP PLAN I THINK WE DID THE ENTIRE DENSITY, BUT FOR THE CONCURRENCY ANALYSIS WE DID THE 250 WHICH WE ARE LIMITING TO.
>> AND WHAT'S THE MAX DENSITY FOR THE COMP PLAN? I THOUGHT YOU SAID 290 -- 293? OKAY.
FOR THE ROARED BOARD I WANT TO POINT HAUTE THAT THIS COMP PLAN AMENDMENT DOES NOT HAVE A TEXT AMENDMENT LIMITING THE NUMBER UNITS SO IT BE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED UNDER THE MAXIMUMS
ALLOWABLE WHICH IS 293. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.
>> AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THE ON THAT POINT OUR PUD DOES LIMIT THE DENSITY TO 250 SO WHILE THERE MAY NOT BE THE TEXT AMENDMENT 1 WE DO HAVE THE ZONING DOCUMENT THAT DOES LIMIT THE NUMBER OF UNITS TO 250, AND SO IF ANYONE WERE TO INCREASE ABOVE 250, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND AMEND AND REZONE THE PROPERTY AGAIN TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
BUT THANKS THAT IS CORRECT. THERE IS NO TEXT CHANGE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. WE JUST DID WANT TO SHOW YOU FROM STATE ROAD 16. THAT IS OUR TALLEST BUILDING AT THREE STORIES. IT'S A SMALL SET OF I BELIEVE SIX MULTI-FAMILY UNITS IN THERE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT, ALMOST THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE BUILDING IS ONE TO TWO STORIES. WE DID WANT TO PROVIDE OUR CALCULATION OF IMPACT FEE CONTRIBUTION, SO BASED ON A 250 UNIT PROJECT THAT IS ABOUT $2.7 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES WITH THE MAJORITY OF IT GOING TO ROADS AND SCHOOLS.
AND AS EVER AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REQUESTED RAVERS FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CRITERIA.
THE -- WE DO THE NOV ANY REQUESTED WAIVERS.
AND I THINK THE NESS SLIDE THAT SHE IS THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT DOES A BETTER JOB THAN THIS SLIDE OF PAINTING THE PETITION PICTURE, BUT WE DO THINK THAT THIS USE IS A GOOD TRANSITIONAL USE BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND EDUCATIONAL/INSTITUTIONAL USES TEE SEE AT THE IGP/STATE ROAD 16 INTERSECTION, AND AS YOU TRAVEL TO THE WEST YOU SEE MORE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SO THIS IS A GOOD TRANSITION BETWEEN ALL OF THAT. AND AGAIN, WE LIKE THAT THIS IS A UNIQUE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, AND THE NEXT TWO SLIDES FROM NOW WHEN WE SHOW YOU THE FLY-THROUGH THROUGH THE COMMUNITY WE'LL GIVE YOU MORE OF A SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK IT'S DISWHRUS -- IT'S A VERY UNIQUE PROJECT FOR THIS AREA BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU'RE RENTING A HOME BUT WITHOUT ALL THE WORRIES OF MORTGAGE, OF THE MAINTENANCE, OF THE ROOF, OF ALL THOSE THINGS ARE ALL TAKEN CARE OF AS PART OF YOUR MONTHLY RENT.
AND AGAIN, THIS SLIDE JUST KIND OF SHOW YOU THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT. OUR PROJECT IS THERE IN BLUE.
MILL CREEK DEAMED, THAT COY CREEK HIGH SCHOOL TO OUR NORTH
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AND EAST, MURABELLA TO THE SOUTH THERE.THIS IS AN EXISTING I BELIEVE CVS OR WALGREENS AT THAT INTERSECTION AS WELL. SO A GOOD MIX OF USES IN THE AREA, AND WE THINK THIS COMPLEMENTS IT WELL.
AND WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP NICK, OUR ARCHITECT, WHO WILL NARRATE YOU THROUGH THIS ONE-MINUTE VIDEO.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. NICK HESTER WITH.
2227 SECOND AVENUE NORTH BIRMINGHAM.
AS YOU SEE IN THE FEEL LIKE THOO ASK PLIEK MIKE SCRIDZ CAPSTONE COTTAGES ARE A LOW TENSITY CONTINUAL WITH FOCUS ON NEW URBANISM OF WALK A ABOUT THE SO WE HAVE SEEN EMPHASIS ON STREETSCAPES, SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS AND FRONT POACHES FACING STREETS TO HELP THAT COMMUNITY FEEL.
WE MAY HAVE BLOWN BY THE START OF THE CLUBHOUSE FEES FOR THE COTTAGE DEVELOPMENT THAT START WITH THE POOL AREA AMENITIES.
YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW PIVOTING AROUND SOME OF THE POCKET PARKS.
WE LIKE TO PROVIDE A SIMPLE HIRE ANGERY, IF YOU WILL BE WITH BETWEEN STREETS AND ALLEYS ALL OF WHICH IS KIND OF THE PRE-WAR AMERICAN TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD STAY TUNED.
WE ALSO LIKE TO FOCUS ON AXIAL VIEWS WITH TERMINATE 10 VIEWS OF THE STREETS. AS WE PAN OUT HERE, YOU SEE THE WETLAND THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER.
WE'VE GUY RECREATIONAL WALKING TRAIL AROUND THE RETENTION POND.
AND THEN THAT'S THE MAIN ENTRY OFF STATE ROAD 16.
>> SPEAKER: SO IN CONCLUSION, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BRING THIS PROJECT BEFORE YOU ALL. AGAIN, WE THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE USE IS AND HOW IT FITS INTO THE OVERALL COMMUNITY.
RAND USE CHANGE AND A REZONING. OUR PROJECT TEAM IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AND WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL. THANK YOU.
>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT LOOKS LIKE A REALLY NICE PROJECT EXCEPT FOR ALL THE TRAFFIC IT'S GOING TO GENERATE ONTO FIVE ADVERSELY IMPACTED LINKS, AND THEN THE DENSITY, WHICH I THINK IS OUT OF KILTER WITH THE REST OF THE AREA.
SO I WAS GOING TO ASK RAJ, YOU SHOWED A SLIDE THAT -- I GUESS IT WAS YOUR BOSS THERE SHOWED A SLIDE THAT SAID ROADS 1.6 MILLION. RIGHT THERE.
THAT WAS THE SLIDE. BUT THE TEXT THAT WE HAVE SHOWS
1.15 MILLION FOR ROADS. >> THIS IS IMPACT FEES WHICH IS CONCURRENCY PROP SHARE. THE PROP SHARE IS BASED ON THE DEFICIENT LINKS. THIS IS IMPACT FEES PER UNIT.
THAT'S THE STANDARD FEE PER UNIT THAT THE COUNTY REQUIRES YOU TO PAY. SO TYPICALLY YOU PAY THE HIGHER
OF THOSE TWO. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO WHAT IS IN OUR PACKET IS INCORRECT? SPRVETLE IT IS NOT INCORRECT.
IT IS CORRECT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OUR PACKET
SHOWS $1.56 MILLION. >> SPEAKER: THAT GOES THE PROP SHARE. THAT'S THE PROP SHARE.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: PRO POARKSAT FAIR SHARE.
>> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT AND THE IMPACT FEES IS HIGHER THAN THE PROPORTIONAL FAIR SHARE IN THIS CASE.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: DO YOU KNOW ON THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AND EITHER OF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT THIS, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THIS FIVE IMPACTY ISMENTS?
>> I'VE GOT TO LOOK IT P. I DON'T HAVE IT HANDY.
>> I CALCULATED IT FOR YOU. IT'S 1.6% OF WHAT'S NEEDED, AND WE CAN BRING UP 8.1.2.5C, WHICH I WILL AND WE CAN BRING UP FLORIDA STATUTE 163.3180, BUT WHY DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE -- CONTRIBUTE A PROCEEDINGS ARE AT FAIR SHARE AND I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HOW TO HOW THAT'S CALCULATED.
IT'S NOT YOUR FUTURE. THAT'S IN FLORIDA STATUTE.
BUT THERE ARE NEARLY 72AL MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF ROAD IMPROVEMENT NEEDS RIGHT AROUND YOUR DEVELOPMENT, FIVE LINKAGES, AND THE $1.156 MILLION IS REALLY A VERY, VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THAT. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE
FOR ALL THAT. >> AND NO, I UNDERSTAND.
YOU SAID THE WEIGHT IS CALCULATED.
WE DID NOT TAKE INT CONSIDERATION THE BACKLOG, THE DEFINITION OF 163 STATUTE THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.
WE STILL CONSIDERED THE BACK LOCK AS BACKLOG BUT WE ARE YOU BE STILL YOU BE CROOKING FOR THOSE LINKS IN TERMS OF PROP SHARE SO TWEER NOT DISCOUNTING THAT INTO THE CALCULATION, SO WE ARE TAKING THAT INTO CAM CLIETION, THAT WE ARE REQUIRED
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TO MITIGATE FOR THOSE LINKS WHICH ARE FAILING ALTHOUGH YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BY THE STATUTES, SO BASED ON THAT, THE CALCULATION STILL SHOWS THAT IMPACT, UNFORTUNATELY.OUR CALCULATIONS INCLUDES THE DEFICIENCIES THAT ARE NOTE FULLY RIDER REQUIRED BY THE STATUTE HISTORIAN I DIDN'T UNDER ALL THAT ANSWER BUT I STILL THINK THERE'S A MASSIVE SHORTFALL.
YOU ALSO SHOWED A MAP THAT SHOWED SOME OF THE ADVERSELY IMPACT ROAD SEGMENTS WHEN YOU WERE UP BEFORE.
IT DIDN'T SHOW ONE IMMEDIATELY TO Y'ALL'S WEST THAT'S IMPACTED
OUT THERE ON STATE ROAD 16. >> AND THAT'S POSSIBLE
BECAUSE -- >> DR. HILSENBECK: RIGHT THERE. UP IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THAT STLIED THERE'S ALSO AN ADD -- SLIDE ARE THERE ALSO AN ADVERSELY IMPACTED ROAD SEGMENT AS WELL AS I-95 IS ADVERSELY
IMPACTED. >> SPEAKER: OUR PROJECT TRAFFIC IS LESS THAN 1% OF THE ROADWAY CAPACITY, SO IT MIGHT BE IMPACTED BUT OUR PROJECT IS NOT CAUSING ANY ADVERSE FAILURES OF
THOSE LINKS. >> DR. HILSENBECK:, SO LET ME ASK SOME MORE QUESTIONS HERE. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP -- THIS MAY NOT BE FOR YOU, I JEST IT IS FOR YOUR BOSS.
THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAS THE PROPERTY AS RES-C.
THAT'S EVEN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S OPEN RURAL ZONING.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW, YOU WANT RES-D.
I WOULD ASK, IF I COULD ASK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S.
, ARE WE UNDER ANY OBLIGATION, AFFIRMATIVE OBLIGATION OTHERWISE TO UPZONE A PROPERTY TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR A PROPOSAL LIKE THIS? IS THERE ANY OBLIGATION WE'RE UNDER TO SAY, YES, WE'LL GO FROM RES-C TO RES-D? AND THAT'S QUITE A JUMP NOT ONLY IN DENSITY BUT IN TRAFFIC
GENERATED. >> THERE'S NO OBLIGATION, IF YOU WILL. IT'S STILL THE REQUEST THAT IS TO BE ANALYZED UNDER THE COMP PLAN CONSIDERATION FOR CONSIDERING AMENDMENTS TO THE COMP PLAN.
HISTORIAN CAN YOU POINT TO ANY OTHER RES-D ZONING RIGHT AROUND YOUR PROJECT? I KNOW THERE'S MIXED USE NOT TOO FAR TO THE EAST, BUT IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL, I JUST DIDN'T SEE ANY RES-D, AND I'M WONDERING WHY YOU NEED TO GO TO REST RES-D AND WHAT OTHER RES-D IS AROUND THERE AND WHY WE SHOULD DO THIS.
>> AND AGAIN, YEAH, THERE IS NOT A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS TESS RES-D BUT WE DO HAVE MULTIPLE DRIS AROUND US AND THE MIXED USE DISTRICT THAT HAS A MUCH HIGHER -- I BELIEVE THAT'S YOUR HIGHEST DENSITY OF ANY DEVELOPMENT, ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY, SO WE ARE LESS THAN A FOOTBALL FIELD AWAY FROM THAT INTERSECTION, MAYBE A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY THAN
A FOOTBALL FIELD. >> DR. HILSENBECK: PROBABLY FURTHER SPRCHL BUT WE ARE IN CLOSEIMENTS.
AND I I WILL POINT OUT THAT TWEER KIND OF BETWEEN RES-C AND RES-D. WE'RE NOT GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE 293 THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED UNDER RES-D PFC WE'S DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, A CONTRACT THAT SAYS WE'RE NO GOING TO GO ABOVE THAT. SO AGAIN, WE NEED TO GO ABOVE WHAT RES-C WOULD ALLOW. I BELIEVE THAT WOULD KEEP US IN THE 130 TO 150 UNITS, AND SO WE DO NEED TO HAVE THIS LARGER COMMUNITY. IT REQUIRES MORE ACREAGE THAN A MULTI-FAMILY COMPLEX TO SPREAD THE HOMES OUT AND TO CREATE THAT SENSE OF WALKABILITY AND PARKS AND ALL THAT.
AGAIN WE'RE PRESERVING 25% OF THE PROPERTY FOR OPEN SPACE.
SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS THERE THAT MERIT CONSIDERATION IN TAKING THIS UP FROM RES-C TO RES-D.
AND AGAIN WE AREN'T MOVING UP THE WAY UP TO THE 293 UNITS.
WE ARE CUTTING IT DOWN BY ALMOST 50 UNITS FROM WHAT COULD BE ALLOWED IF WE WENT THREE STORIES, YOU KNOW,, WALK-UP STYLE APARTMENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT HINCH I CALCULATE YOUR DENSITY PER ACRE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD ON MINUSING AND SUBTRACTING YOUR 6 ERRORS OR SO THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IN OPEN SPACE, YOU'RE AT ABOUT 12.S RIGHT THERE AT THE 13 UNITS PER ACRE OF A RES-D. YOU'RE RIGHT THERE IN TERMS OF DENSITY. AND I REALLY THOUGHT THE SLIDES Y'ALL SHOWED OF THE -- WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, THE ANIMATION THERE, THAT DIDN'T LOOK TO ME LIKE ANY 12.5 UNITS PER ACRE IN THERE.
THAT WAS WAY LOWER DENSITY. SO I JUST -- I FOUND THAT INTERESTING, IF NOT DISTURBING. YOU MENTIONED 28 LETTERS OF
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SUPPORT. WE HADN'T SEEN THOSE.I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS SEEN THOSE LETTERS.
>> SPEAKER: WE WERE REQUESTED AS PART OF OUR APPLICATION, WE GOT A COMMENT AFTER OUR FIRST ROUND OF COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTY TO REQUEST SOME LETTERS OF SUPPORT, SO WE DID WITH OUR
SECOND SUBMITTAL PROVIDE THAT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: WHY WERE THOSE NOT PROVIDED TO US BEFORE THIS MEETING? I LIKE TO READ THOSE THINGS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO THEY'RE FROM WHAT AND WHAT THEY SAY, AND ARE THESE PEOPLE AFFILIATED WITH YOU? ARE THEY RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THE AREA? I HAVEN'T ANY IDEA.
SO I'M THOSE I'M GOING TO DISCOUNT ENTIRELY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM. THE NEXT TIME YOU'RE IN HERE, AND I KNOW YOU WILL BE BECAUSE YOUR JUST DOWN IN DAYTONA, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE LETTERS AHEAD OF TIME.
AT LEAST EMAIL THEM TO US BUT HAVING THOSE IN ADVANCE WOULD MAKE A IMPACT, MAYBE POSITIVE IMPACT.
A WE ASSUME POSITIVE. I'VE GOT SO MANY MORE HERE.
I MIGHT BE A LITTLE SLOW. I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION THAT I KNOW THE ANSWER TO.
DO YOU KNOW HOW RAPIDLY, WHAT PERNG ST. JOHNS COUNTY GREW
BETWEEN 2010 AND 2020? >> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW THAT
EXACT PERCENTAGE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: IT'S 44%.
THAT'S REALLY HIGH. AND IT HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE UPSET ABOUT THE FAST, VERY RAPID GROWTH RATE IN THE COUNTY.
AND SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND SOME OF THESE PROVISIONS IN 8.125C. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LSH -- LET ME SEE -- IT WAS 1600, 1680 GROSS DAILY TRIPS, AND I KNOW THAT COMES OUT TO 128 GROSS P.M. TRIPS, P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS, AND I REALIZE THAT THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE IS BAITDZ ON PEAK
P.M. TRIPS. >> THAT'S CORRECT.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: FOR EXAMPLE, EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM HERE TODAY EXCEPT MAYBE THE STAFF DROVE HERE EARLIER 1 BUT THEY PROV HERE DURING NON-PEAK P.M. TRIPS.
THAT GENERATED QUITE A BIT OF TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD.
I LOOKED AT THE FLORIDA STATUTE, THE 163.3180 AND, OF COURSE, THAT'S HOW THEY CALCULATE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE IS GROSS P.M. PEAK TRIPS. TO ME THAT IS I. OFF WITH WHAT'S NEEDED IN TERMS OF FUNDING TO SUPPORT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS COUNTY. JUST THOSE FIVE SEGMENTS THAT YOU HAD THAT ARE DEFICIENT OR ADVERSELY IMPACTED, THAT'S $72 MILLION WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED.
SO I KNOW I MENTIOND THAT BEFORE.
BUT I WISH WE COULD GET THE LEGISLATURE SOMEHOW TO CHANGE THAT, BUT I KNOW IT'S DANGEROUS TO OPEN UP FLORIDA STATUTE BECAUSE ALL SORTS OF THINGS CAN HAPPEN.
BUT LET ME READ 8.1.2.5C TO YOU. YOU PROBABLY KNOW THE.
IT SAYS THE EXTENT TO WHICH ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATED THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT EXISTS -- WHICH IT DOES NOT -- OR IS PROGRAMMED AND FUND THROUGH AN ADOPTED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SCHEDULE SUCH AS THE COUNTY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S FIVE-YEAR WORK PROGRAM, THE NORTH FLORIDA TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, OR WILL BE PRIVATELY FINANCED THROUGH A BINDING EXECUTED AGREEMENT OR WILL OTHERWISE BE PROVIDED THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS AS REQUIRED BY LAW. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT ACCORDING TO FLORIDA STATUTE 163 Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL THAT, SUPPORT ALL THAT, BUT YOU'RE ASKING US TO IMPROVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS $72 MILLION AT JANUARY FIGURES -- MAYBE THAT WAS APRIL -- OF NEED, AND YOU'RE PUTTING IN $1.15 MILLION.
IT'S WAY SHORT. I JUST DON'T -- I'M NOT ASKING YOU YET COME UP WITH ALL THAT $72 MILLION.
BUT I'M ALSO SAYING WHAT Y'ALL ARE PUTTING IN FOR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE WHICH I UNDERSTAND THE UNDER THE LAW, IT'S A DROP IN THE BUCKET TO GET THIS DONE, AND IT'S NOT ADEQUATE, SO INSTEAD OF DUMPING NEARLY 1700 MORE CAR TRIPS ON THE ROADS EVERY DAY, I THINK THIS PROPOSAL, WHICH I THINK IS A NICE PROPOSAL, LOOKS LIKE A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK IT SHOULD WAIT N FUNDS ARE FOUND TD TO IMPROVE THE ROADS.
I JUST THINK THOSE ROADS ARE WOEFULLY INADEQUATE AND HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME AND IT'S ONLY GETTING WORSE, AND YOUR DEVELOPMENT, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO ADD TO
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THAT. THAT IS MY OPINION THERE.LET ME SEE. I HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS HERE, IF I MAY. WHAT IS THE RENTAL RATE GOING TO BE? I KNOW IT'S GOING TO VARY BETWEEN THAT REALLY NICE ONE BEDROOM CONTINUAL AND THE THREE-BEDROOM HOUSE, BUT I JUST WONDERED WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO RENT THESE FOR, SAY TODAY IF THEY WERE ALL READY TO MOVE INT
INTO. >> MICHAEL SZNAPSTAJLER FOR THE RECORD. IT WILL BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE MARKET, SO IN AND AROUND $2 A FOOT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE RENTAL PRICE THAT'S BASED ON ANALYSIS OF OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT ONE-BEDROOM HOUSE WOULD BE 1400?
>> SPEAKER: A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT, THAT NUMBER.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT WOULD BE A NICE DEAL, ACTUALLY.
SO DO YOU HAVE A PERMIT TO FILL IN THAT FARM POND? DO YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT PERMIT OAK TAINED? YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO FILL IN A FARM POND.
>> NOT YET, NO. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M GOING TO WAIT ON ASKING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BUT I DO HAVE SOME MORE THAT WILL COME UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE ANSWERS. THEY WERE HELPFUL.
>> MR. MATOVINA: STAFF, YOU'RE ON.
>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, MR. CANARY.
JUST CLARIFICATION THE ON COMMENT.
BOTH MIXED USE AND DRERVEL L. RESIDENTIAL D WITH REGARD TO RESIDENTIAL HAVE THE SAME DENSITY SO A 13 UNIT PER ACRES MIXED USE WILL LEO OTHER USES BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.
>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT.
>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> MS. PERKINS: WE DO.
>> SPEAKER: CHUCK LAB, 1748 NORTH COMP ARROW.
AWESOME COMMUNITY. I'M JUST-UNDER WOULDING IF ANYONE'S BEEN TO BEACH WALK IF YOU GO OVER TO THE REED SECTION OVER THERE AND YOU LOOK TO SEE THE SIZE OF THE LOTS THERE.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT .11 ACRES PER LOT.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY STAND BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS AND REACH OUT, SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING 13 HOMES PER ACRE? IT BRINGS BACK SOME HISTORY LIKE THE CHICAGO FIRE.
IF ONE UNIT CATCHES ON FIRE IN THERE, IT'S GOING TO SWEEP THROUGH THERE, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE WINDS WE GET HERE.
I HATE TO THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAN HAPPEN.
WE THAN THE CAN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF DENSITY.
WE'RE DOING E. LOOKING AT THE ROADWAYS.
IT WAS ALREADY BROUGHT UP, AND I'M GOING TO USE IN IN A COUPLE PRESENTATIONS TODAY. IT WAS BROUGHT UP, THE INADEQUACY OF SOME OF THE AREAS. 16 MOST DEFINITELY.
IT'S GOING TO AFFECT 16A, AND IT'S ALSO GOING TO AFFECT 16 GOING TOWARDS 13. SO THAT WHOLE AREA THERE IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS COMMUNITY.
AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 625 CARS GOING IN THAT UNIT.
625 WITH ONLY ONE ROAD GOING IN AND OUT.
THERE'S NO OTHER WAY IN AND OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY.
THAT'S A CONCERN. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING.
THIS IS THE FUNDING THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
THE COST, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COST OF THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO TAKE CARE OF 16 AND THAT WHOLE AREA, IS $50 MILLION. THAT'S THE PROPOSED COST.
BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE REAL COST, TODAY'S COST, WE'RE LOOKING AT $80 MILLION TO $90 MILLION JUST TO DO FROM THE PACETTI LIGHT ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE MALLS.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE REST OF THE AREA.
THE OUTLET MALLS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THAT I BROUGHT UP, AND THIS IS IN THEIR DOCUMENTS, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND OUT, BUT ANYBODY THAT WANT TO GO EAST, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO UP, MAKE A U-TURN HERE TO BE ABLE TO GO WEST -- TO GO EAST. THAT'S NOT RIGHT, EITHER.
WHEN THEY COME OUT OF THERE THEY'RE GOING TO CUTS CROO SEVERAL LANES TO MECHANIC A U-TURN.
ARE THERE L. THERE ARE TOO MANY COMMUNITIES THAT THAT IS HAPPENING IN AND IT'S CAUSING ISSUES, A NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE RUSHING TO GET ACROSS TO THAT U-TURN.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING FOR 16.
THERE'S YOUR FUNDING. YOU'VE GOT THE COMMERCIAL
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SECTION THERE, THE 2209 THAT'S SUPPOSED TO COME ACROSS THROUGH.2209 IS NOT FUNDED YET. THANK YOU.
>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: KEITH BOWEN.
>> SPEAKER: HELLO. I'M KEITH BOWEN, 5695 STATE ROAD 16. I WILL BE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT. JUST COME TO EXPRESS MY DISCONTENT WITH IT. LIKE I'VE HEARD CONCERN FROM THIS BOARD ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. IN THE MORNING WHEN I GET UP, I LOOK OUT NO MATTER WHAT TIME OF DAY IT IS, AT 8:00 OR 9:00 IT'S PACKED, STOP AND GO ALL THE WAY TO THE RED LIGHT WHERE TURN TO GO TO GOLF ROYAL GOLF VILLAGE. LIKE I SAID THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME OUT, TAKE A RIGHT AND WITHIN 1500 FEET GO ACROSS TWO LANES, GET IN A TURNING LANE AND MAKE A U-TURN AND GO DOWN WHERE MOST PEOPLE I ASSUME WILL WORK IN THIS START OF EVER PART OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY RATHER THAN GOING ACROSS TO CLAY.
AND I JUST HAVE ISSUES WITH IT. IT'S GOING TO BE BAD ENOUGH TO HAVE TO LOOK ACROSS THE STREET AFTER YEARS OF NOT SEEING ANYTHING, BUT I CAN LEARN TO LIVE WITH THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE I'M AGAINST IT.
THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: JOE
MCANERNY. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
JOE, 1005 BLACKBERRY, ST. JOHN. SO DR. HILSENBECK HAS TOUCHED ON WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT, AS HAVE MANY OF THE SPEAKERS HERE.
I'M A RETIRED ARCHITECT FAMILIAR WITH NEW URBANISM AND A GREAT CONCEPT WE HAVE AT NOCATEE RIVER TOWN IF WE WANT TO CHECK IT OUT.
I GENERALLY THINK OF THAT AS PATHS AND WALKS AND PARKS, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION. NIGH DEVELOPMENT.
I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU. BUT I WILL SAY THIS, THAT WHEN WE HEAR THAT THE RISING TIDE RAISES ALL SHIPS, CONVERSELY THE LOWERING TIDE LOWERS ALL SHIPS. YOU CAN HAVE A NICE DEVELOPMENT, BUT, OH, MY GOSH, LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC AND OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TELLS US EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS.
OBJECTIVE A125 UPHERE HAS BEEN MENTIONED, ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO EXIST OR IS PROGRAMMED AND FUNDED THROUGH AN ADOPTED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, AND WHERE THAT IS APPLIED, IT NEEDS TO BE APPLIED EVENLY.
SO RECENTLY THE COUNTY COMMISSION TOOK THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT FOR A PROJECT CALLED MCVIE.
AND THEY WEREY GOING TO PROVIDE $1.3 MILLION IN PATROL FAIR SHARE. THIS WAS DENIED BECAUSE OF CONCERNS FOR STATE ROUTE 16, AS DR. HILSENBECK HAS POINTED OUT THE PROPORTIONAT FAIR SHARE COMES UP SHORT, I. WA SHORT OF THE TOTAL NEED. IT'S NOT THE APPLICANT'S FAULT.
DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT -- WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAW, A1.
25C IS THE LAW THAT CAN BE USED. SO LOOK AT THE COTTAGS HERE.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THE ADVERSELY AFFECTED ROADS.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THE SIX ADVERSELY IMPACTED SEGMENTS.
MY MATH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
I'M SHOWING SIX IMPACTED ROADEST SEGMENTS AT $64 MILLION.
AND FROM THAT I WOULD CONCLUDE THAT ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE DOES NOT EXIST NOR IS IT PROGRAMMED OR FUNDED, AND THEREFORE, THE PROJECT DOES NOT MEET A125C.
IT CAN BE AND IT SHOULD BE DENIED.
I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT. NICE PROJECTS.
THE LOWERING TIDE LOWERS ALL SHIPS.
IT'S TIME FOR COUNTY, THE COUNTY IS IN A BIG HOLE HERE AND WE KNOW THAT, THE COUNTY KNOWS THAT.
WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST. YOU'RE TRYING YOUR BEST.
WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS HOLE AND THEN BRING ON THE DEVELOPMENT. SO I'M JUST SAYING A125C GIVES YOU SALAD, IF YOU SAL, IE ABILITY TO DENY THIS PROJECT,
AND YOU SHOULD. >> MR. MATOVINA: NO MORE SPEAKERS CARDS AT THIS POINT. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO
EXPRESS SOME REBUTTAL? >> SPEAKER: REALLY BRIEFLY.
[INAUDIBLE] THAT SLIDE IS BASED ON THE ENGINEER'S SITE PLAN TO SCALE SO THERE'S NO DOCTORING UP THE VIEWS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT FLY-THROUGH IS BASED ON PLAN, AND EACH TIME THE PLAN CHANGES, THE TEAM CHANGES THE
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FLY-THROUGH SO IT'S AT THE CORRECT ASPECT AND SCALE GOIF A SENSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW THAT WASN'T THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT THAT WAS MADE BUT I WANTED TO STATE IT THERE.REGARDING THE FUNDING, THE FAIR SHARE PROCESS IS WHAT IT IS, BUT ANOTHER CONTRIBUTOR TO THE THE COUNTY'S POOL OF MONEY IS TAXES, AND SPECIFICALLY PROPERTY TAXES, SO RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, 25 ACRES, AGRICULTURAL.
WE DO HAVE SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL RAISE THE PROPERTY TAX VALUES, SO IN ADDITION TO THE IMPACTS, IN ADDITION TO THE FAIR SHARE, THERE WILL BE TAXABLE FUNDS THAT GO BACK TO COUNTY AND PUT MORE MONEY IN THE COUNTY'S COFFERS. I KNOW IT'S NOTE GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM BUT AGAIN THAT IS A FACTOR THAT HELPS MORE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS. IT'S NOT TO SAY YOU HAVE TO APPROVE EVERY PROJECT AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH SHOULD HAPPEN, BUT IF THIS ONE WERE TO BE APPROVED, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS ABOUT A $70 MILLION CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. SO WE DO THINK THAT IT WILL RESULT IN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TAXABLE VALUE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS AND AGRICULTURE EXEMPTIONS AND THINGS THAT YOU WOULD SEE ASSOCIATED WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, SO WILL IT HELP PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THE COUNTY FOR ROADS BEYOND THE IMPACT FEES AND THE FAIR SHARE. THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT FIRE PROTECTION. WE HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSE BUYLY WITH COUNTY STAFF IN BRINGING THIS DEVELOPMENT FORWARD, SPECIFICALLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THAT TOWK ABOUT HOW THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE FITS IN WITH THIS SPECIFIC AND UNIQUE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE CLEARED ALL THOSE COMMENTS WITH FIRE STAFF. WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE PROTECTIVE AND MEET ALL YOUR CODES AND STANDARDS AND ALL OF THE FLORIDA BUILDINGS CODE STANDARDS AS WELL.
AGAIN, OUR PROJECT TEAM IS HERE IN CASE THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK HISTORIANS OKAY.
SO GO AHEAD AND SPEAK. >> AND WITH REGARDS TO THE U-TURNS AND LEFT TURNS CRITERIA, DOT WITH A LOT OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT THEY HAVE DONE A LOT OF STUDIES, TYPICALLY WHICH TURN IS SAFER, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANT TO LEFT OUT OF A PROJECT, YOU DO NOW HAVE TO NEGOTIATE R LANES OF TRAFFIC INSTEAD OF NEGOTIATING TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC.
SO DOT THINKS MAKING A RIGHT OUT AND MAKING A U-TURN IS MUCH SAFER THAN STRIKE TO MAY GO MAKE A LEFT OUT OF A PROJECT TO CROSS FOUR OR FIVE LANES OF TRAFFIC. SO WITH THAT REASON ALONE, DOT HAS KIND OF LIKE SAID MOVE THE DRIVEWAY TO THE SOUTH.
THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE FULL ACCESS OR A OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE% A LEFT OUT LIKE WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC, WHICH IS TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC AT A TIME.
SO THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS. WE WORKED WITH D OBVIOUST ON THAT, AND THAT'S THE PROPOSAL FOR THE -- AND THAT'S WHERE DOT SAID THEY WERE GOING TO APPROVE AT THAT LOCATION.
JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DIDN'T ASK ANY QUESTION ABOUT THAT. BUT NOW THAT YOU MENTION -- SO YOU HAVE THAT IN WRITING FROM DOT NOW THAT YOU BROUGHT IT UP?
>> SPEAKER: A NEW AXE MANAGEMENT GUIDE, THE INTERSECTION DESIGN GUIDE CLEARLY RECOMMENDS AND STATES ALL THAT, AND THEY ALSO MAKE YOU GO THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE CROSSES IEWLD ICE, INTERSECTION CONTROL EVALUATION, IF YOU'RE SEEKING A FULL MEDIAN OPENING WHICH REQUIRES A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TRIPS. BUT THESE PROJECTS ARE ALSO SUBJECT TO THAT REVIEW. AND WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THAT, DOT HOLDS, THEY MAINTAIN THIS ROAD AND THEY OWN THIS ROAD SO WE HAVE TO COL THEIR REQUIREMENTS AND SATISFY THE
NEEDS OF THE DOT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.
STILL ONLY ONE ENTRANCE IN AND OUT OF THERE FOR 250 OR MORE HOUSES. LET ME ASK YOU THIS, SIR.
AND I WISH I KNEW HOW TO PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME BETTER.
I DON'T WANT TO BUTCHER IT SO COULD YOU PLEASE ZAIRE IT AGAIN
FOR ME SO I CAN GET IT DOWN. >> AND SZNAPSTAJLER LIKE THE DRINK, TYLER LIKE STEPHEN FIEMPLE SZNAPSTAJLER.
HNCHTS I'M GOING TO RIGHT THAT DOWN.
THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION BUT THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO REMEMBER.
I GUESS YOU'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
LIKE WITH MY LAST NAME. I SPELL IT A LOT.
>> SPEAKER: I'LL TAKE WHAT I CAN GET WITH MY LAST NAME.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU MENTIONED AGRICULTURE.
NOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE IMPROVEMENT OVER THE TAX BASE AND HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE IMPROVEMENT OVER THE TAX BASE.
SO DO YOU THINK HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS OR AGRICULTURE ARE MORE VALUABLE TO, SAY, THIS COUNTY OR THIS SOCIETY?
>> SPEAKER: I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT. I'M JUST STATING THE FACTS WANT THAT IF A DEVELOPMENT WERE TO OCCUR HERE, THE PROPERTY TAX VALUE WOULD GO UP AND PROPERTY TAXES WOULD BE PAID.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT WOULD. IT ALSO WOULD GENERATE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC AND OTHER DIFFICULTIES FOR CURRENT
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CITIZENS HERE. SO I'M A MAJOR FAN OF AGRICULTURE, AND I LIKE TO EAT, AND SO I THINK WE ARE MAKING A GIANT MISTAKE IN THIS COUNTRY AND IN THIS COUNTY TO HAVE SOME OF THE BEST SOILS FOR FARMING IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA CERTAINLY BY PAVING OVER A LOT OF FARM NL, AND THIS MAY NOT BE ACTIVE FARMLAND. LOOKS LIKE MOSTLY PASTURE RIGHT NOW BUT IT HAS BEEN FARMEDLAND. I LIKE FARMLAND, AND I DON'T LIKE TO SEE IT PAVED OVER, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS THAT I SEE WITH THIS PROJECT. SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO YOU.I HAVE SOME OTHER STATEMENTS TO MAKE THAT AREN'T QUESTIONS, SO I'M GOING TO CEASE AT THIS POINT.
>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE FOR YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. CAN YOU TELL US ROUGHLY THE AM A A.M. EXITING TRAFFIC, WHAT PERCENTAGE GOES SOUTH, WHAT
PERCENTAGE GOES NORTH? >> GIVE ME ONE SECOND.
3 >> MR. MATOVINA: I AM I MEANY
ALL GO NORTH. >> SPEAKER: I THINK 30 TO 40 PERSONS THE CAN NORTH TO THE PARKWAY AND HEADS TOWARD 210 AND THEN 65 TO 25 PERCENT GO TO THE SOUTH.
>> MR. MATOVINA: SO IN THE P.M. IS IT ROUGHLY REVERSED?
>> SPEAKER: YES, IT IS ROUGHLY REVERSED, YES.
>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, RAJ.
WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: I MY MOTION TO ROOM APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN "A" SMALL STALE 2021-24 THE COTTAGES AT ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOR TO A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMOUNTED TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND MAP DESIGNATION OF PROBLGHTS 25.8 ACRES LAND FROM RES-C TO RES-D BASED UPON FOUR
FINDINGS OF FACT. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? GOT A SECOND BY MR. MILLER. NOW WE HAVE TIME FOR DISCUSSION.
DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.
I'M GOING TO BRING UP A FEW THINGS HERE .
FRANKLY -- WELL, LET ME LOOK AT A.120.5B FOR ONE SECOND.
I'M GOING TO ASK THE COUNTY STAFF THIS SINCE TERESA AND MIKE ARE HERE AND THEY WILL KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
IT SAYS, B UNDER THAT COMP PLAN PROVISION OBJECTIVE, SAYS THE EXTENT TO WHICH POPULATION GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT TRENDS WARRANT AN AMENDMENT, INCLUDING AN ANALYSIS OF VESTED AND APPROVED BUT UNBUILT DEVELOPMENT.
SO I. KNOW THERE'S A TABLE, A SPREAD SHEET OF ALL THE APPROVED BUT UNBUILT LOTS IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE I JUST ASKED THE COUNTY FOR IT AGAIN YESTERDAY AND RECEIVED THAT , AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT I CAN SEE ADLER CREEK YET, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THAT WE HAVE ABOUT 63,000 WITH ADLER CREEK, ABOUT 63,000 APPROVED BUT UNBUILT LOTS.
HAS THERE BEEN -- BESIDES THAT SPREADSHEET, WHICH IS GREAT, VERY INSTRUCTIVE, IS THERE AN ANALYSIS OF VESTED AND APPROVED BUT UNBUILT DEVELOPMENT? IS THAT THE ANALYSIS OR DO Y'ALL HAVE SOME KIND OF STUDY OR ANALYSIS OF ALL THAT?
>> SPEAKER: THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE HAVE, SIR.
THE PUD ENTITLEMENT REPORT THAT THE COUNTY STAFF THAT IS CREATED, AND IT IS AGAIN FOR PUD RESIDENTIAL UNITS UNBUILT -- EXCUSE ME -- ENTITLED BUT UNBUILT.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THIS STATES IN ORDER TO APPROVE AN AMENDMENT HERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ANALYSIS. SO I DON'T CSH I'M NOT FAULTING YOU, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME ANALYSIS IN THE COUNTY. THE.
THE CLOSEST I'VE SEEN THAT THAT PERHAPS IS ELLEN AVERY-SMITH UP HERE TALKING ABOUT ASSIMILATION RATES AND ALL THAT AND WHY SOME OF THOSE VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENTS NEED TO BE APPROVED.
BUT AN ANALYSIS WOULD BE GOOD AND I'M GOINGS TO MENTION A WORKSHOP LATER THAT I THINK THAT THE COUNTY STAFF SHOULD PROVIDE FOR THE PZA MEMBERS BUT THAT'S NOT THE I'M TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I WAS GOING TO DO IT AT THE END OF THE MEETING. THAT SAME OBJECTIVE UNDER F IT
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SAYS THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE AMENDMENT WILL RILT IN A SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THROUGH LAND USE IS INTERNALLY INTERRELATED, DEMONSTRATES AN EFFICIENT USE OF LAND, AND THEN IT SAYS, ENSURES GNAT I WILL BE DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO AGRICULTURAL LANDS, WHICH THIS IS, PROTECTS ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES AND CHARACTERISTICS, PROVIDES INTERCESKT ROADWAYS, SUPPORTS THE USE OF NON-ABLE MODES OF TRAFFICS, AND APPROPRIATE ADDRESSES THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. IF YOU JUST LOOKED AT THAT ON ITS FACE, I THINK THIS AND MANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE APPROVED FALLS WAY SHORT IN DOING THOSE THINGS.THERE'S NO SUPPORT OF NON-ABLE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, NOT THAT THIS DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT.
THAT'S A COUNTY ISSUE. THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF THINGS HERE. I DON'T THINK IT'S COMPATIBLE.
I DON'T THINK UPZONING TO RES-D IN THIS AREA, WHICH THERE'S NONE AROUND, IT'S CONTIGUOUS WITH AGRICULTURE, IS APPROPRIATE.
LET ME MENTION POLICY AP.1 FNT 2.7, AND I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE BUT HERE'S ONE THAT I'M GOING TO STATE HERE.
IT SAYS, EFFICIENTLY USING THE COUNTY'S INVESTMENT IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURAL INFRASTRUCTURE BY LOCATING LAND USES IN AREAS OF THE COUNTY WHERE ADEQUATE AND AVAILABLE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE EXIST. I DON'T THINK, GIVEN FIVE ADVERSELY IMPACTED AND DEFICIENT ROAD SEGMENTS AROUND THERE, THAT THAT MEETS THE SPIRIT OF THAT PARTICULAR OBJECTIVE, SO I FEEL PERSONALLY IF WE VOTE FOR THIS, WE'RE GOING TO BE VIOLATING OUR OWN COMP PLAN POLICIES. AND THEN TO GO BACK, SINCE MR. LABANOWSKI'S PRESENTATION WAS CUT SHORT, I JUST WANT TO MENTION THIS TABLE THAT WAS IN OUR PACKET, IT WAS RIGHT BEHIND THE MAP THAT SHOWED ALL THE, IF MILE RAID JUST AND ADVERSELY IMPACT AND DEFICIENT ROAD SEGMENTS.
WHEN I ADDED UP THOSE FIVE SEGMENTS I CAME UP $71,821,937.
JOE MCEARN CAME UP WITH 64. MR. LAB NOW NOWSKI SAID LESS ABOUT THE AT TODAY'S COST IT HAD WOULD BE 80.
BUT THEN HE STARTED IN ON THE COLUMNS CURRENT COMMITMENTS, AND HERE ARE THE CURRENT COMMITMENTS FOR THOSE FIVE.
ADVERSELY IMPACTED SEGMENTS. NO COMMITMENTS.
NO COMMITMENTS. PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE FUND ESTABLISHED. IT'S ESTABLISHED.
HOW MUCH DOES IT HAVE NIT? THE NEXT ONE, NOT FINANCIALLY SECURE. THE NEXT ONE, NOT FINANCIALLY SECURE. THE NEXT ONE, REMAINING 1.4 MILES OF ROAD UNFUNDED. AND THEN THE CURRENT STATUS, IF YOU GO DOWN THOSE FOR $72 MILLION WORTH OF NEED, UNFUNDED, UNFUNDED INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AND DESIGN, DESIGN UNDERWAY. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST? WHAT DOES THAT DO? DESIGN UNDERWAY. AND THEN FUN UNDERRED.
SO THREE OF THOSE ARE PLAY TANLT UNFUNDED -- BLATANTLY UNFUNDED.
I CAN'T VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE VIOLATING OUR OWN COMP PLAN POLICIES IF WE DO. THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.
MR. PIERRE. PINCH I JUST WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT I SHARE DR. HILSENBECK'S CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, SPECIFICALLY THE TRAFFIC AND THE FAIR SHARE.
IT REALLY CONCERNS ME. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
SO WE NEED A NEW MOTION. MS. PERKINS.
>> MS. PERKINS: FOR THE SAKE OF NOT WASTING ANY TIME, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2021-24, SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM RES-C TO RES-D BASED UPON
FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT. >> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE A
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SECOND? SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK.DISCUSSION? SO I'M GOING TO ADDRESS ONE PARTICULAR ISSUE, AND THAT IS THE QUESTION OF COMPATIBILITY, AND I DON'T FIND THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL AND SITE INCOMPATIBLE, AND THE REASON I DON'T FIND IT INCOMPATIBLE IS BECAUSE IT IS CLOSE TO THE MIXED USE, NUMBER ONE, AND NUMBER TWO, IT'S CLOSE TO EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AND CLOSE TO SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED, GROCERY STORES, DRUG STORES, RESTAURANTS, AND ALL OF THOSE NEEDED SERVICES FOR THE RESIDENTS.
THE TRAFFIC IS A LITTLE TROUBLING TO ME.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT I TRAVEL STATE ROAD 16 QUITE A BIT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF GHOST TRIPS ON THAT PARTICULAR ROAD.
AND SO TRAVELING IT TODAY WHEN IT ISN'T WIDENED IS NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME AS TRAVELING FROM FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COUNTS, THEY DON'T ALL COME AT ONE TIME.
THEY COME OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, JUST LIKE DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T COME AT ONE TIME. SOME OF THE THIS DEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS THE ADDITION WE MADE TO DIFERL LEAF, IS NOT GOING TO START UNTIL 2030. SILVERLEAF.
I WILL ALSO TELL THAWT NORTHEAST FLORIDA BUILDERS ASSOCIATION COMMISSIONED A STUDY TO LOOK A THAT LOT COUNT AND THEIR CONSULTANT CONE COLLUDES THAT THAT LOT COUNT HAS DOUBLE COUNTED LOTS AND THAT THE NUMBER IS CLOSER TO 45,000 LOTS AT THIS POINT IN TIME OR WHEN THE STUDY WAS DONE.
SOAL ALL THOSE THINGS BEING SAID, I DON'T SEE HOW WE PENALIZE THIS PARTICULAR LANDOWNER AS A RESULT OF THOSE PARTICULAR CIRCUMTANCES. I WILL ALSO TELL YOU THAT THE COUNTY HAS A BIG, BIG POT OF MONEY IN IMPACT FEES SET ASIDE RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT IS ALREADY SET ASIDE FOR PARTICULAR PROJECTS OR NOT.
SOMEBODY JUST SENT ME THE AMOUNT OF MONEY TODAY BUT THE NUMBER IS LIKE $60 MILLION. BASED ON WHAT I SAW TODAY.
AND SO AGAIN, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE PENALIZE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER WHO OWNS WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE AN INFILL PIECE OF PROPERTY AND WE LET EVERYBODY ELSE DEVELOP AROUND HIM.
SO THAT BEING SAID, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY?
IF NOT -- YES, MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: I HAVE A QUESTION. IF WE'RE TAKING ANOTHER VOTE, THE FIRST VOTE WAS A TIE AND SHOULD HAVE FAILED ANYWAY.
IF WE REVOTE FOR THE DENIAL, IT'S GOING TO BE A TIE ANYWAY.
POTENTIALLY. >> MR. MATOVINA: MAYBE, YES
PERCENTAGE OF OKAY. >> MR. MATOVINA: AND SO IF WE'RE READY TO VOTE, REMEMBER, A YES VOTE IS TO VOTE FOR DENIAL.
OKAY? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
THAT MOTION FAILED. GOT ANY SUGGESTIONS, CHRISTINE?
>> YES. SO THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE A TECHNICAL DENIAL, AND SO THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
SO NOW WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2, AND WE NEED TO VOTE ON ITEM NUMBER 2, WHICH SHOULD BE SIMPLE BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPROVED, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO VOTE FOR THE PUD, BUT I'LL -- THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE, SO I'M ENTERTAINING A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 2.
[3. MINMOD 2021-19 712 Rum Runner Way (Starling Enclosure). Request for a Minor Modification to the Twin Creeks PUD (ORD 2006-3, as amended) to allow for a three (3) foot Side Yard setback in lieu of the required five (5) feet to accommodate construction of a pool enclosure.]
MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PUD 2021-18 COTTAGES AT ST. JOHNS COUNTY SUBJECTED TO TEN FINDINGS OF FACT.
>> MR. MATOVINA: WE'VE GOY A MOTION FOR DENIAL.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.
THE ANY DISCUSSION IN HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
ALL RIGHT. WE ARE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3.
AND SO WE PROBABLY HAVE MS. DARLING ALL NERVOUS AT THIS POINT MS. STARLING, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR P.
>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON. I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, SO THIS OUGHT TO BE INTERESTING. ANOTHER A LEARNING OPPORTUNITY FOR ME. SO I'M HERE CONCERNING THE MINOR MODIFICATION MINMOD 2021-19 FOR 712 RUM RUNNER WAY AND I'M VICKIE STARLING AND I RESIDE AT 712 RUM RUNNER WAY.
OOH, I CAN MAKE THE BUTTON WORK, TOO, AT THE SAME TIME.
I'VE INCLUDED THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF 712 RUM RUNNER WAY WHICH IS IN TWIN CREEKS CREEKS NORTH PARCEL 12 PHASE 1.
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I AM LOCATED IN ATLANTIC ISLES AND BEACH WALK.AND OUR PROJECT DESCRIPTION IS IT'S A REQUEST FOR A MINOR PUD VARIANCE TO AMEND THE REAR YARD SIDE SETBACK AS SET FORTH IN THE TWIN LAKES NORTH PARCEL 12 PHASE 1, 201756 TO PERMIT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SCREEN CLOSURE FOR THE SWIMMING POOL.
A SCREEN ENCLOSURE FOR A SWIMMING POOL WE FOUND OUT IS CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THAT REQUIRES A -- I GUESS IT'S A 5 FEET SETBACK SO WE'RE REQUESTING A 3-FOOT SETBACK BETWEEN LOTS 109 AND 110.
THERE'S AN APPROVED CLEARANCE SHEET FOR THE POOL ALREADY ON FILE. THE HOA HAS ALSO APPROVED THE POOL. AND SCREEN CLOSURE AND DOCUMENTATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED AS AN ADDENDUM.
SORRY. I'VE HAD LAREN JIETS SO BEAR WITH ME. JUST TO GIVE YOU A VIEW FROM THE SECONDLY FLOOR, THIS IS THE PAVER PATIO WAS EXTENDED FROM THE COVERED LANAI, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S THAL POOL AND THE 3-FOOT WITH MY NEIGHBORS WOULD BE TO THE RIGHT, AND THERE'S THE KNEE WALL, SO WE'RE ASKING THAT THE POOL END CHLOROYOUR WOULD ALSO START 3 FEET FROM THE SIDE LOT LINE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXTENDED FAVOR PATIO AND THE COVERED LANAI OPENING. AND JUST ANOTHER LOCATION FOR YOU, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO ALLOW SUFFICIENT ROOM TO ENTER THE POOL, CLEANING, AND AS SOMEBODY GETS OLDER, WE MAY NEED HANDICAP ACCESS.
STARLING MOOL ENCLOSURE, THIS IS WHERE THE COVERED LANAI IS AND THERE'S WHERE THE PATIO CAME OUT, EXTENDED PATIO SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT 3-FOOT SO THERE WILL NOTING A 2-FOOT GOOPT COVERED PATIO. AND THAT WOULD REALLY KIND OF LOOK A LITTLE STRANGE, MAYBE NOT ARCHITECTURALLY PLEASING OR CONSISTENT. AND JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER PHOTOS. THIS ONE WAS SUPPLIED ON THE LEFT BY THE ENCLOSURE GUY WHO TRIED TO SHOW WITH THE RED LINES WHAT IT WOULD BE AT 3 FEET AND BLUE LINES HOW THAT WOULD LOOK, AND THE PHOTO TO THE RIGHT WITH THE GREEN LINES SHOWING WHAT THE 5-FOOT WOULD LOOK LIKE VERSUS ALLOWING THE 3-FOOT.
THE 2-FOOT VARIANCE, REALLY I HAVE A GREEN SPACE IN THE BACK OF MY LOT. TRACK 6 IS CONSIDERED AN OPEN SPACE, KIND OF A LITTLE GREEN PARK AREA.
MY PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE IN THE FRONT YARD.
MY SIDE I CALL IT STREET ROADSIDE, THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME. SO I'M SITTING ON THE CORNER.
I HAD THE LUCK OF BUYING THE LARGEST CORNER LOT, AND I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST, ASKING FOR THIS PARTICULAR VARIANCE. SEE IF I CAN MAKE IT GOES.
ON THE LEFT IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE U. POOL ENCLOSURE AND YOU CAN SEE BASICALLY IN THE RED THERE AND THEN I ALSO STIM HAVE A LOT OF YARD ROUTE OUT LEFTN THE AERIAL PHOTO CAME FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OS, AND IT SHOWS THE PROPERTY AND ACTUALLY THE POOL BEING BUILT THERE. GREAT PHOTO.
I'M SO GLAD I DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT DONE.
AND IN CONCLUSION THIS REQUEST IS REALLY IN HARMONY WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL VILLAS OR TOWNHOUSES. THEY ARE ALSO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND MANY OF THEM HAVAL POOLS AND POOL CAGES, AND I DON'T THINK THIS VARIANCE WOULD BE CONTRARY TO THE SPIRIT OR THE PURPOSE OF THE CODE. SO RESPECTFULLY I'M ASKING THAT
YOU APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR MY . >> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO BE DECLARED ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO SPEAKER CARDS.
THAT BRINGS US BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.
DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATION OF THE TWIN CREEKS PUD ORDINANCE 2006-3 AS AMENDED TO ALLOW FOR A 3-FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK IN LIEU OF THE REQUIRED 5 FEET TO ACCOMMODATE CONSTRUCTION OF A POOL ENCLOSURE SPECIFICALLY LOCATED AT 712 RUM
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RUNNER WAY BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO SIX CONDITIONS AS PRESERVED IN THE STAFF REPORT.>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY DR. HILSENBECK, SECOND BY DR. MCCORMICK. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
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ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES.7 DID 6-0. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> MR. MATOVINA: YOU'RE WELCOME P.
MOVING ON TO ITEMS 4 AND 5, WE WILL TAKE THESE TOGETHER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY SPART COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE DISB EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE ON 5?
MR. MILLER? >> MR. MILLER: YES.
I HAD A CONVERSATION WHERE WESTER ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE DENSITY OF PROJECT AND THE LOCATION.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: I DID -- GO AHEADY.
>> >> MR. MATOVINA: MS. PERKINS.
>> MS. PERKINS: I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. WESTER AND HIS TEAMS LAST WEEK AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAD AN EMAIL FROM MR. WESTER ABOUT -- I DON'T KNOW -- THREE, FOUR WEEKS AGO, AND I ANSWERS HIM BACK.
HE WANTED TO SPEAK AT SOME POINT.
I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT IT. I NEVER CALLED HIM BACK.
I'M SORRY. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PIERRE
PINCH NOTHING, SIR. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO I HAD A ZOOM CALL WITH MR. WESTER AND THEIR FAMILY EARLIER THIS WEEK IN WHICH THEY WENT OVER THE -- THEIR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN GREAT DETAIL. ALL RIGHT.
MR. WESTER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAKE SURE WE'RE QUEUED UP HERE.
OKAY, GOOD. MY NAME IS GRAD WESTER I'M WITH DRIVER MCA THEE, HOW AND 1 INDEPENDENT DRIVE SUITE 1200 IN JACKSONVILLE ITALY 22022. I HAVE MY FULL TEAM WITH ME HERE TODAY WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT WADE'S CREEK AFFECTION DLI AND WE'LL DO THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE PUD DISCUSSION IN THIS TOTAL PACKAGE HERE. Y SO IS ON THE SCREEN HERE I'LL BE SOMEWHAT EXY. DPIRNS I DON'T MEAN TO BE ABBREVIATED BUT I WANT TO GET RIGHT TO THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. SO IF I OR MY ADVISERS NEED TO SPEAK WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. BUT WE HAVE TEAM HERE TO DISCUSS THIS AND THEY'RE LIFTED ON THE BOARD THERE.
THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT BY DEBART LOW, DEBART LOW DEVELOPMENT IS AN ESTABLISHED PRIVATE REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT COMPANY THAT FOIKS ON SEVERAL ASSET CLASSES INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL, LIMITED SERVICE HOSPITABLE AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE.
THE DEBART LOW HAS DEVELOPED OVER 2,545,000 RESIDENTIAL UNIT AND COLLECTIVELY DEVELOPED OVER 4.7 BILLION ACROSS VARIOUS REAL ESTATE MARKET PLATFORMS. THIS APPLICATION SUMMARY IS A REQUEST FOR A SMALL SMAIL LANDS USE AMENDMENT FROM AGRICULTURAL SPHEFNS TO RESIDENTIAL C. AND A COMPANION REZONING FROM OPEN RURAL TO PUD. IT'S LOCATED ON 19.22 ACRES TO BE EXACT AND IT IS ON AFFECTION THROI COUNTY ROAD 16 IT.
SITS 27 STATE ROOT 16 AND COUNTY ROAD 16.
AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO ALLOW A SMALL CONDENSED 115 SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT COMMUNITY AT A MAXIMUM OF 6 UNITS PER ACRE PER THE RESIDENTIAL C LAND USE. JUST SO YOU KNOW THE TIMELINE, BACK IN YUL WE DID A PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS WITH STAFF AND VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS, AND THEN WE STARTED OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND STUDIES, MADE APPLICATION IN DECEMBER.
SUBSEQUENTLY HAD TO DO TRAFFIC AND SCHOOL CON URNS KE SUBMIT ALZHEIMER'S. WE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL NESTOR SCERKT COMMUNITY PLANNING MEETING ON FEBRUARY 28TH AND THEN WE HAVE BEEN FINALIZING OUR COMMENTS AND RESPONSES WITH THE COUNTY. HERE WE ARE.
THEN JUNE 7TH IS OUR ANTICIPATED COUNTY COMMISSION DATE.
THE PROJECT DETAILS. 115 UNITS.
THEY ARE MADE UPCH THREE AND FOUR-BEDROOM PLANS AND ATTACHED GARAGES. IT IS SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL.
AND I'LL DESCRIBE EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS IN SOMEWHAT COMPARISON TO A PREVIOUS PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
MIN MINIMUM ONE-YEAR RENTAL, NO SHORT TERM.
IT, WILL BE UNDER UNIFIED LEADERSHIP FOR MANAGEMENT AND.
ACCESS PURPOSES. I DOES HAVE TWO ACCESSES TO UKRAINE ROAD 16. THERE'S HARDLY ANY CREASE AT E TREES ON THE PLOT. IT'S PRETTY MUCH A BLANK CANVAS.
NO SIGNIFY HABITAT OR FLOOD RAINY PLANE.
WEIGH DWOAK TO REPURPOSE THE EXISTING PASTURE AND PONED THAT HAS BEEN ON THE PROPERTY SINCE THE 40S AND '50 AND ENGINEER THAT FOR STORM WATER. IT IS A TRANSITIONAL INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S TRANSITIONAL BETWEEN AN EXISTING INTENSIFIED COMMERCIAL LAND USE AND PUD THAT WAS JUST DONE AND THEN TWO COMMERCIAL USE ABUTTING TO THE OTHER SIDE SIDE AND I'LL DESCRIBE THAT MORE IN A MINUTE. BAISKS RIP 1,047 DAILY, 1:13 P.M. PEAK HOUR, AND SCHOOL CAPACITY JUST CUT RIDING TO IT CHASE WE JUST GOT OUR DETERMINATION ON MAY 3RD, AND WE HAVE SUFFICIENT ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE BUT WE'RE MINUS 23 23 HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AT THE CREEK.
WE ARE ASKING FOR WAIVERS UNLIKE THE PRESENTATION YOU JUST HEARD.
WE ARE NOT MULTI-FAMILY. SO WE'RE ON A -- IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT AND RESIDENTIAL D, AND BECAUSE OF THAT WE DO NEED SEVERAL WAIVERS FROM PLATTING REQUIREMENTS.
THIS WILL NOT BE PLATTED OR SUBDIVIDED.
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IT WILL ACTUALLY BE JUST PURELY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, AND I'LL GI THAT MORE IN A SECOND.Y IS DESCRIBE THAT MORE. WE HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS.
THERE IS A PROXIMITY HEAMENT SO WE HAVE A GOOD WAIVER FOR THAT.
PLANNING AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
2, 3, 4 AND 5 ARE ALL LUMPED INTO THE PLAT BE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. SINCE WE'RE NOT A CON P CONVENTIONAL SINGE FAMILY MOOSHED NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT'S PLATTED AND SUBDIVIDED, AND THEN WE HAVE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL. HERE'S THE LOCATION.
AS YOU CAN SEE. SO WE HAVE THE COUNTY ROAD 16 COMES UP AND IT SPLITS INTO STATE ROAD 16 -- I'M SORRY, 16 AND COUNTY ROAD 16A, AND UNOPENED RIGHT-OF-WAY FRONTAGE IS ON BOTH BUT OUR ACCESS IS TO ONLY 16AO.
16A. HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY AND YOU CAN SEE THE RECENTLY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENH THE NEIGHBORHOODS ABUTTING. WHERE THE POINTER IS RIGHT NOW.
AND VARIOUS DENSITIES. THIS IS RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS ALL RESIDENTIAL B PROPERTY.
AND THEN THERE IS A TRIBUTARY FROM WARDS CREEK THAT SPITS OFF AND USGS CALLS IT WADE'S CREEK AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE NAMING OUR COMP PLAN AND PUD. IT WILL BE A DIFFERENT NAME WHEN WE ADOPT WITH ITND BRING AND WHATNOT LATER ON.
THEN OUR PROPERTY HERE. AND THEN AS YOU KNOW BRIDLE RIDGE WHICH IS THE INTENSIFIED COMMERCIAL NODE THERE.
YOU CAN SEE THE POND ON THE PROPERTY.
IT'S A PRETTY MUCH VACANT CANVAS OF AGRICULTURAL CROPLAND.
AND THEN A MANMADE POND THAT HAS EXISTED FOR MANY, MANY DECADES.
THIS IS AN INDICATION OF THE FLUX MAP AS THE COUNTY CALLS IT BUT THAT'S WETLAND MAP AND, OF COURSE, THE SOILS MAP.
EVERYTHING CHECKS OUT GOOD. WELL DRAINED SANDY SOILS, AND THEN THE POND IS EXISTING ON THE WETLAND MAP AND THERE'S A TINY AREA OF WHAT'S CALL WET PASTURE, QUOORT THE SCIENTISTS.
THAT WILL BECOME BAFFERT THE STORM WATER POND AS WELL.
THIS IS OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE JUST SHOWING THE DIFFERENT USES CURRENTLY THAT'S AGRICULTURAL, AND NEXT TO US WE HAVE AN INTENSIFIED COMMERCIAL THAT'S CALLED BRIDAL RIDGE ALSO KNOWN AS THE U-HAUL PARCEL, AND THEY'LL HAVE 160,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL PLUS BOAT AND RV STORAGE, SO WE ABUT RIGHT TO THAT, AND THEN THERE IS A WETLAND COMMUNITY IN THE WARDZ CREEK PUD TO OUR OTHER SIDE THERE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE JEANTSDZ USES. ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU HAVE IS A COMMERCIAL NODE IN THIS INTERSECTION AND THEN TRANSITIONING OUT THERE FROM THERE.
THIS IS A BETTER PROPOSITION OF WHAT THE PROPOSED LAND USE MAP WOULD LIKE IF THIS WERE TO BE ADOPTED.
SO YOU CONVERT THE AGRICULTURAL TO RESIDENTIAL AND YOU CAN SEE THE TRANSITION. SO YOU TRANSITION IN PLANNING THEORY, IT'S TYPICAL TRANSITIONALLAL INFILL USE THAT WE HAVE ON OUR PROPERTY WHERE YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL NODE THEY INTERSECTION THAT TRANSITIONS FROM A CERTAINLY DENSITY IN THIS CASE RESIDENTIAL C THEN DOWN TO RESIDENTIAL B AT THE EXISTING COMMUNITIES. THESE COMMUNITIES WERE BUILT FROM 2015 ON ROUGHLY WITH WARDZ CREEK NEXT TO US, 2019 AND SO FORTH. THEY REALLY KIND OF ABSORBED THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
AND THEN THE PUD THIS. TS A ZONING MAP SO YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING OPENR OPEN RURAL ZONING AND THAT'S COMMENSURATE FROM THE AGRICULTURAL USE, AND THEN OUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I APOLOGIZE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT SPUN AROUND BUT I HAVE A BETTER VIEW OF IT HERE. THIS IS A COLORED MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MR. . THE SO THIS PLASTER MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS JUST LOOK AI OUR PUD MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND IT SHOWS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS DOES NOT HAVE ANY ATTACHED DWELLING UNITS SO THERE IS NO MULTI-FAMILY WHATSOEVER.
IT'S PURELY SINGLE FAMILY. WILL IT ACT LIKE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THIS ISN'T KIND OF UNDER THE GUISE OF ANYTHING BUT A PURELY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS JUST FOR RENT ON ONE SINGLE MANAGED PIECE OF PROPERTY. FOR CONTINUITY SAKE.
WE DON'T WANT INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE TAKING CARE OF THE YARDS AND DIFFERENT CHARACTER AND AESTHETICS.
WE WANT IT ENTIRELY MANAGED FOR DON'T NEW AT AND AESTHETICS OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THIS TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT LAYOUT.
WE HAVE OUR SETBACKS WHICH ARE REQUIRED.
75 ON THE FRONTALS. THESE ARE CALL SCENIC EDGES HERE AND THEN ON 16A UP THERE AND YOU CAN SEE EV WOO NO ACCESS HERE.
WE HAVE A RIGHT-OF-WAY RESERVATION ROUGHLY 50 FEET HERE FOR DOT AND THEN ANOTHER 75 FEET LAID ON TOP OF THAT, SO THERE'S QUITE THE BUFFER FROM STATE ROAD 16, AND THEN WE UTILIZE COUNTY ROAD 16A AS OUR ACCESS POINTS. SO ONLY 115 UNITS UTILIZING TWO ACCESS POINTS OUT TO THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS WHERE TORNADIC POND WAS. AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE CON FINGERED A STORM WATER POND WITH A TRAIL AROUND IT.
EVERY SINGLE UNIT IN HERE IS ASSESSABLE WITH A SIDEWALK.
A SIDEWALK TOUCHES EVERY SINGLE UNIT IN THIS PROPERTY, AND WE DID THAT ON PURPOSE BECAUSE WE CAN'T COMPLETE INTERCONNECTIVITY
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IN AND AROUND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.A VERY SMALL, VERY DENSELY ORGANIZED PROPERTY.
AND WE HAVE A BASICALLY REAR-LOADED ALLEYWAYS, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT HERE. SO YOU'LL PULL INTO THE GARAGE.
THE FRONT DOOR IS' EFFECTSATELY OUT TODAY ARE THE GREEN SPACES AND THEN YOU HAVE A CONVENTIONAL SETUP ON THE LOOP ROAD WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY AND WE HAVE ROUGHLY FOUR PRODUCT TYPES IN THIS. WE HAVE WE DO HAVE AN AMENITY CENTER ON THAL POOL WITH THE LAKE.
THEN WE'LL HAVE SIDEWALKS INTERDENGT OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTIES AS PER THE REQUIREMENT.
BEE DON'T HAVE ANY WAIVERS FROM SCENIC EDGES, DEVELOPMENT EDGES, SIDEWALK INTERCESKT. AND SO ONE ITEM THAT WILL BE NOTED DURING OUR NORTHWEST SECTOR PLANNING COMMUNITY MEETING, WE HAD RESIDENTS COME UP AND ASK, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SIDEWALKS INTERCONNECTING TO THE DISWREANTS NEIGHBORHOODS? AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, AND THEY ACTUALLY DIDN'T WANT THAT BECAUSE THIS AREA RIGHT HERE OH WARDZ CREEK WARDS CREEK IS PROGRAMMED AS THEIR OPEN SPACE AND THEY DO HAVE A LITTLE TRAIL ACROSS THAT LITTLE CREEK, AND THEY HAVEOVER 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE AS YOU SEE HERE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S A MINIMUM OF 70 FEET DEVELOPMENT EDGE ABUTTING THESE TWO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, AND FROM THIS HOUSE HERE WHERE MY POINTER IS TO THE NEAREST SHOUSE A MINIMUM OF 200 FEET.
SO EVE ABOUT 200 FEET OF SEPARATION AND IT IS ACROSS AN EXISTING CREEK/WETLAND COMMUNITY AND THEIR OPEN SPACE AND OUR DEVELOPMENT EDGES COLLECTIVELY. SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF SETBACK. ONE THING THAT CAME OUT OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING WAS A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS WERE HAPPY TO HAVE A BUFFER BETWEEN THIS PROPOSED COMMERCIAL INTENSIFIED NODE HERE AND THEIR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE.
THEY WERE HAPPY TO KNOW WHAT'S COMING.
AND GENERALLY IT WAS A VERY GOOD MEETING.
THEY HAD QUESTIONS, VERY SIMILAR QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND SCHOOLS, BUT ARE YOU GOING TO CONNECT TO US? AND THE ANSWER IS, NO, WE'RE NOT IT.
WILL BE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY JUST LIKE THEIRS.
WE'LL HAVE OUR OWN LOOPS. SEE SIDEWALKS CONNECT EVERY SINGLE HOME THROUGH THE THE ENTIRE EXIEWNT EXPHRB WE'LL HAVE SIDEWALKS OUT IN FRONT THAT CONNECT PER THE CODE.
HERE'S A CLOSE-UP VERSION OF THE VIEW SINCE THE OTHER ONE IS ZOOMED OUT A LITTLE BIT BUT YOU CAN SEE THE SIDEWALKS.
THESE WILL BE FRONT LOADY SO YOU HAVE A FRONT PORCH COMMUNITY OUT TOTE SIDEWALKS. A A NEW URBANIST APPROACH TO THIS COMMUNITY. THE ROADWAYS ARE SMALLER ROADWAYS, ALLEYWAYS TO GARAGES. AND THEN ON THE FRONT HERE YOU HAVE TYPICAL FRONT STREET LOADED HOMES AND EVERY SINGLE ONE HAS A SIDEWALK THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL COST BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMUNITY TO HAVE FULL INTERCONNECTIVITY TO THE RESIDENTS AND THERE WILL BE A TRAIL AROUND THE POND AND, OF COURSE, OUT TO THE FRONTAGE THERE FOR ANY CESKT TO COMMERCIAL USES DOWN THE ROAD. YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS IS A PICTURE OF OUR CLUBHOUSE AND IT'S A CONCEPT OF A CLUBHOUSE, AND IT WILL HAVE ALL THE FULL AMENITIES THIS A TYPICAL CLUBHOUSE WILL HAVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY.
AND THEN OUR IN OUR PRODUCT TYPES.
THESE ARE CONCEPTS. BUT VERY APPEALING.
THEY AREN'T COMBINED. THEY'RE NOT MULTI-FAMILY.
THEY'RE NOT TOWNHOMES NERP INDIVIDUAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
IN FACT WHEN YOU'RE IN THERE YOU WON'T EVEN KNOW THEY'RE FOR RENT. WE ANTICIPATE IT BEING VERY, VERY HIGHLY MANICURED, A VERY HIGH QUALITY PRODUCT BUT THAT GIVES YOU A SENSE, AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TODAY A FLY-THROUGH BUT YOU GET THE SENSE THAT THE FOUR PRODUCT TYPES THAT WILL BE DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
COMPATIBILITY SUMMARY. THIS IS STRATEGICALLY CLOTHING A TRANSITIONAL INFILL DEVELOPMENT CONVERSATION AND SMIRCHTION WE'RE TRANSITIONING FROM A COMMERCIAL NODE TO OUR RESIDENTIAL C DENSITY, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY ABUTTING TO A RESIDENTIAL B DENSITY, SO THAT REALLY MEETS THE PLANNING THEORY IN TERMS OF A STRATEGIC KIND OF TRANSITIONAL INFILL DEVELOPMENT WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY CROPLAND. IT IS COMPLEMENTARY LAND USE AS I JUST STAIPTD. IT PROIFS A DIVERSE AND ATTAINABLE HOUSING PROJECT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
THERE ARE NO JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS.
THE ONLY WET PROPERTY WE HAVE DESIGNATED OFFICIALLY IS CALLED WET PASTURE. THE CLUSTER LAYOUT WITH AMENITIES AND SIDEWALKS TO EVERY HOME AND THEN WE HAVE A SINGLE END MANAGEMENT AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACT FOR CONTINUITY AND AESTHETICS. THIS HAS BEEN THE IN MEDIA A LOT, AND I THINK WHAT CAME OUT OF THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP WAS I UNDERSTAND THERE IS ROOFTOP FATIGUE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WILE HEAR IT AND SEE IT ONE ONE THIN I GOT OUT OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP WAS MORE AFFORDABLE AND DIVERSIFIED HOUSING PROJECTS AND WE KNOW THIS PROJECT WILL PROVIDE THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT.
HOUSING HAS IMOAN 43 TWISTERS YEAR.
TOON TO RUMENTING FROM RETIREMENT LIFESTYLE SHIFTS, JOBS, FLORIDA'S RELATIVELY LOW LIVING COST AND UNMET HOUSING SUPPLY NEEDS. THE JACKSONVILLE MSA IS NUMBER ONE IN CITIES RANKED FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE IN 234-2021 FOR MANY
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REASONS. YOU CAN SEE THE GRAPH THERE, AFFORDABILITY GRAPH. THE TARGET MARKETS FOR THIS PUD AGAIN SINGLE FAMILY, ATTAINABLE HOUSING.OUR NEWLY FORMED HOUSEHOLDS IN FAMILIES PLANNING OR UNDER CONTRACT TO CONSTRUCT A HOME AS WELL AS ATTAINABLE HOUSING FOR FAMILIES, INDIVIDUALS THAT DESIRE TO OWN A HOME BUT MAY LACK A DOWN PAYMENT AND/OR INCOME TO AFFORD ONE IN NOTE OF SECTOR. THE PUD DOES PROVIDE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AND TRADITIONAL LAYOUT AND IN SETTINGS FOR FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS AND IT PROVIDES AN OWNERSHIP INTERFERENCE IN A RENTAL COMMUNITY AS COMPARED TO A TYPICAL MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT PRODUCT TYPE COMMUNITY.
WITH THAT SAID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND I'LL RESPECT YOUR TIME AND I'D LIKE TO GO STRAIGHT TO QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. COMPARE TRIVIAL SPEAKING WITH THIS ONE HAS HALF THE DENSITY OF THE OTHER ONE YOU JUST LOOKED AT AND IT IS TRULY SINGLE FAMILY. WE HAVE MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS.
AND WE CAN US ASK IT AND I KNOW YOU'LL BRING IT UP, THE TRANSPORTATION PROP SHARE. WE'RE PAYING MORE IN PROP SHARE BUT WE HAVE LESS UNITS. SO WE'LL ADDRESS THOSE FACTS.
BUT I RESPECTFULLY TURN IT OVER TO YOU FORE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. THANK YOU.
>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. DR. HILSENBECK.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: BRAD, YOU BROUGHT UP THIS PLATTING APPROVAL AND THE ISSUES SURROUNDING THAT IN THE TWO PLUS YEARS I'VE BEEN SITTING UP HERE, I DON'T THINK I'VE HAVE HEARD THAT BEFORE. YOU CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT TO JUST EDUCATE ME ON THAT.
I'M CURIOUS. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR, AND THAT'S A GREAT POINT. THIS IS SUCH A NEW CONCEPT.
IT'S REALLY NOT CODIFIED AS FAR AS SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT.
AND SO UNLIKE A -- CALLED A SWITCH ROOF FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM -- TWIENGD IT P, PUTTING LOT LINES, PRETEND IENGTSZ SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT WITH A COZY AND THEN LOOKING TO SELL IT AT INDIVIDUAL LOTS WE'RE FOR THE DOING THAT.
WE HAVE ALWAYS SINGLES LAST YOU WILL J SAID TIGHTS GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT MEANING WE ARE NOT PLATTING ANYTHING ON THE PROPERTY. SIM I T. CLIP YOU WILL CUT IT UP INTO PUD AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO IN FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN APPROVALS, AND WITH THAT IS A PLATTING WHERE YOU PLOT INDIVIDUAL LOTS SO YOU CAN SELL THAT TIGHTLY TIE HOMEOWNER LATER ON. THIS ONE IS A LARGER PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT JUST HAS HOMES ALL ACROSS IT.
THE PROPERTY IS MANAGED BY ONE ENTITY, OWNED AND MANAGED BY ONE ENTITY. SO FOR THAT PURPOSE WE WORKED WITH STAFF ON THIS AND THEY SAID, WELL, WE JUST NEED TO LOAD UP YOU THOSE FOUR WAIVERS SO THE FOUR WAIVERS ARE ESSENTIALLY A WAIVER FROM THE PLATTING REQUIREMENT, SO WE'RE NOT CIGHT UP LIKE A CONVENTIONAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN ALSO WITH THAT WAS SOME LAT AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS IN THERE.
SO THOSE WAIVERS FOR THE PLATTING REALLY JUST ARE INDICATIVE OF THIS BEING A SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT PRODUCT ON ONE BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND SO THAT'S JUST WAIVER THAT WE FELT SAFE TO ASK FOR AND COUNTY OPINED ON THAT AND AGREED. SINCE THE SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT ISN'T REALLY MANAGE THAT'S CODIFIED YET TO PROVIDE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITHOUT A WAIVER, AND THEN THE ACCESSORY UNITS, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE AC PADS, AC UNITS, GAZEBOS, THINGS THAT ARE ADORNED THROUGH THE THE OPEN SPACES AND RECREATION THOSE ARE ACEVEDO RI USES THAT ARE PROGRAMMED IN THERE AS WELL SING P. ACCEPT SINGLES THE EDGY THEY DON'T MEAD THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT ONE THING WE DID WORK WITH STAFF ON IS THAT NONE OF THE SETBACKS ARE ACTUALLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE, SO WHAT WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT SEJ AND A SCENIC EDGE ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT THEN WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SETBACK FOR THE ACTUAL HOUSE AND YARD AREA. WE'RE NOT KIND OF DOUBLE-DIPPING FOR THE OPEN SPACE IN THE SCENIC EDGE HERE.
JUST FOR INSTANCE, OVER HERE THESE BACKYARDS ARE ACTUALLY NOT PART OF THE 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE.
THEY HAVE A 10-FOOT BACKYARD. THEN THERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE. AND NO IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE IN THERE. YOU CAN'T PUT A POOL IN.
IT'S VERY REGULATED, VERY MANAGED.
AND SO ALL THAT KIND PLAYS INTO THE PLATTING AND THE SUBDIVISION WAIVER THAT WE ASK FOR, SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.
IT'S A GUINEA PIG. WE'RE THE FIRST IN THE GATE FOR THIS KIND OF THING. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE THAT WE'RE NOT PITCHING RIGHT NOW.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: NO, YOU ANSWERED IT VERY WELL.
THAT WAS A GREAT ANSWER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
SO I HAVE MY OWN IDEAS. YOU TOUCHED ON IT SOME.
I JUST WONDER SINCE THIS IS THE SECOND ONE NOW IN A ROW WE'VE HAD OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES THAT ARE RENTAL UNITS, BESIDES PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD A DOWN PAYMENT, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS
DRIVING THIS TREND RIGHT NOW? >> SPEAKER: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND LISTEN, I KNOW MIKE.
I WISH I HAD A LAST MY NAME IS LIKE SH ANNAPOLIS AND TAYLOR OR WHATEVER. I SAY I'M WESTER, OPPOSITE EASTER SO I DON'T HAVE A THING WITH IT.
BUT MIKE'S PROJECT, THEY HAD A MIX OF MULTI-FAMILY IN THERE.
SO WE HAVE ALL PURE SINGLE FAMILY.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY ATTACHED HOMES TO SAY THEIRS IS SINGLE FAMILY IN COMPARISON IS REALLY NOT TRULY ADEQUATE, BUT WHAT'S
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DRIVING THIS TREND FOR THE RENTAL, RENTAL COMMUNITIES ARE HOTTER NOW IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS THAN THEY EVER HAVE BEEN IN MY LIFE TIESM WHY IN A LOT OF DEVELOPER'S LIFETIMES AND IT'S REALLY THE STIGMA FOR BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS, FAMILIES, PROGRESS OF MOVING IN DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE PURE TITLE HOME OWNERSHIP TO STILL LIVE IN APARTMENTS.YOU'RE SEEING THAT WITH A REN NAUNS IN DOWN JACKSONVILLE.
SEEING A LOT OF. SINGLE FEEL AND REALLY HIGH END MULTI-FAMILY AND IT'S NOT YOUR CRACKER JACK MULTIPLE FAMILY LAID IN SUBURBS. IT'S HIGH END, VERY GOOD LIFESTYLE AMENITIES. WE SEE THAT IN COLLEGE CAMPUSES.
IT'S LIKE A CRUISE SHIP WITH DOORS AND WINDOWS.
IT HAS EVERYTHING YOU NIGHT NEED ON THE PROPERTY.
WHAT WE'RE SATISFYING MULTI-FAMILY TO THAT ACROSS THE BOARD. FOANGS THAT WANT TO COME INTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT MAY NOT HAVE A HOME READY OR THEY WANT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
WE'RE NUMBER ONE IN SO MANY CATEGORIES ARE.
LIVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THEY WANT THAT BUT MAYBE AREN'T READY FOR THE DOWN PAYMENT OF A NEW HOME.
THIS HELPS PROVIDE, WITHOUT A TRULY CONVENTIONAL MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMMUNITY, THIS PROVIDES THAT SAME LOOK.
WHEN YOU PULL INTO THIS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW IT'S A RENTAL COMMUNITY. AND SO WE THINK THAT'S A GROWING TREND NATIONALLY, AND WE SEE IT HERE WITH -- WE'RE ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING IN ENTIRE NATION SO WE SEE IT HERE AS WELL.
AND I WON'T BELABOR THIS POINT BUT MULTI-FAMILY HAS RECENTLY TAKEN OFF IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT HAD LACKED WAY BEHIND JACKSONVILLE, AND SO WE'RE SEEING APARTMENTS, VERY, VERY HIGH QUALITY APARTMENTS COME TO PLAY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY NOW SO I THINK THE STIGMA IS GONE AS A PROFESSIONAL, AS A PROGRESSIVE, AS A YOUNG FAMILY IF YOU LIVE IN AN APARTMENT THAT DOESN'T DEFINE YOU. IT MAY NOT DEFINE JUST YET, AND WE THINK THAT PROVIDES THIS NARRATIVE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FAMILIES THAT WILL LIVE HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY AS WELL.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: I ASKED THIS TO THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT ON ITEM NUMBER 1. WHAT'S YOUR RENTAL RATE
PROJECTED TO BE? >> SPEAKER: SO WE'RE GOING TO -- I'VE GOT REGGIE HERE FROM DEBARTOLO.
WE ARE STATING IT'S 30% OF THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS OUR RENTAL RATE. ISN'T THAT RIGHT, REG? YEP, 30%. SO WE CAN STATE THAT EMPHATICALLY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY MENTIONED WHEN WE WERE MARKETING THIS AND PUGHTD OUR PRO NORMA TOGETHER.
ALLY BOOIT WE'RE NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY THE FEDERAL AND STATE THAT STATUTE WE ARE ATTAINABLE HOUSING BECAUSE WE ARE MORE ATTAINABLE TO A NAME THAT MIGHT WANT DOESN'T WANT TO BE IN A VERTICAL MULTI-FAMILY COMMUNITY, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BUT THEY'RE
30% OF ANNUAL HOUSEHOLD INCOME. >> DR. HILSENBECK: ATTAINABLE
PROPERTY. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
CALLING IT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: WE HEARD IT
HERE FIRST. >> SPEAKER: WE DON'T WANT TO CALL IT AFFORDABLE BECAUSE WE'RE TWRIEWL NOT THAT DEFINITION.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: I HEAR. YOU.
SO YOU HAD A SLIDE UP THERE ABOUT THE RELATIVELY LOW COST OF LIVING IN FLORIDA, AND I AGREE, IT USED TO BE BUT NOW -- CBS JUST HAD A REPORT OUT I THINK TWO DAYS AGO, THREE DAYS AGO THAT FLORIDA IS NOW THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLACE TO LIVE IN NATION, SO IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT WITH RENTAL RATES PARTICULARLY RISING, THEY BLAMEDIT A LOT ON RENTAL RATES, THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE APPARENTLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY INNOVATE.
IT IS INNOVATE AND A REALLY NICE DESIGN FOR YOUR PROJECT.
I WISH THAT IT DIDN'T FALL RIGHT BETWEEN STATE ROAD 16 AND 16A THAT HAVE CRUSHING TRACK TRAC PROBLEMS, AND EVERYTHING I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT BASICALLY I SAID FOR ITEM NUMBER 1.
I MEAN, THERE'S CRUSHING TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. WITH ALL THESE IMPACTED, ADVERSELY IMPACTED AND DEFICIENT ROADWAYS. I COME UP WITH A TOTAL SURROUNDING Y'ALL OF NEARLY $64.5 MILLION OF IMPACTED ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED. I KNOW THAT'S NOT ON YOU OBVIOUSLY TO FUND THAT, BUT YOU SAID YOU HAD A GREATER PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE THAN WHAT'S IN OUR PACKET OF
$832 MILLION? >> IF I CAN GET I. OUR ENGINEERING IF WE NEED FOOD ANY QUESTIONS OR ANSWERS.
OUR PROPORTION AT SHARE IS GREATER.
SO WE HAVE GREATER AND HALF THE UNITS, HALF THE DENSITY AND DUAL ACCESS AND WE HAVE MORE PROPERTY ARE SHARE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE NUMBERS WORK.
I KNOW THERE'S A METHODOLOGY FOR THE COUNTY WITH OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING AND WE HAVE A CALCULATION THAT IS STILL PRELIMINARY BUT WE'RE CLOSE TO FINALIZING THAT.
WE'RE GHOST TO FINALIZING THAT WITH OUR CONCURRENCY RESUBMITTAL
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BECAUSE WE ARE ENTERING A PLOP SHARE AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO ENTER INTO OUR PROPORTIONATE HISTORIANS SO WHAT IS IN OURPACKET IS INCORRECT? >> SPEAKER: NO.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: $832,568. SPINCHTS.
>> AND AND THEN THE OVERALL NUMBER FOR THE MITIGATION NUMBERS? DO YOU WANT COME UP? SO THE PRELIMINARY AM CA ACCUMULATING THE TOTAL PROP
SHARE IS $1.8 MILLION. >> DR. HILSENBECK: FOR ROADS.
>> SPEAKER: FOR ROADS, YES, SIR.
>> SPEAKER: OKAY. THAT IS DEFINITELY -- I DID NOT SEE THAT FIGURE IN OUR MATERIAL, SO THAT'S --
>> SPEAKER: WE'VE BEEN WORKING UNTIL THE 11TH HOUR WITH THE COUNTY TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION AND WE JUST GOT OUR SCHOOL DETERMINING ON MAY 3RD, SO THE COUNTY HASN'T THAN THE HAD A CHANCE TO PUT THAT IN THEIR REPORT, EITHER.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: I REALLY DISLIKE SURPRISES.
I TRY TO READ THESE THINGS CAREFULLY AND TO HAVE THAT THROWN AT US AT THE LAST MINUTE UP HERE, IT'S, I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE IT. LET ME ASK THIS.
WHY DO YOU NEED SUCH A HUGE INCREASE IN DENSITY?
>> SPEAKER: CURRENTLY -- WELL, THE AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE LAND USE CERTAINLY WON'T ACCOMMODATE ONE ORE TWO UNITS OBVIOUSLY.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: ONE TO 20. >>>
>> AND 2 THIS WE HAD IN MIND A TRANSITIONAL USE THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS 3 AND THIS DOES HAVE GREAT TRANSITIONAL LOCATIONAL EFFECTS. IT WENT FROM RECENTLY A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AT BRIDLE RIDGE AND IS WHICH IS RIGHT AT THE CORNER AND THEY WENT TO GET UPZONED WITH IF YOU WILL, TO INTENSIFY THEIR COMMERCIAL. AND THEN A LOGICAL TRANSITIONAL USE FROM THAT POINT WOULD BE EITHER MORE COMMERCIAL OR ANOTHER TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL, AND WE FELT THAT THIS RESIDENTIAL C MIX -- THIS RESIDENTIAL EXRSM IS COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON THE PROPERTY AND WE FELT IT WAS A VERY TRANSITIONAL USE TO THE RESIDENTIAL B AS WELL. SO ENVIRONMENTALLY SPEAKING, IN PLANNING COMPATIBILITY PURPOSES WE FELT THAT IT I WAS GREAT TRANSITIONAL AREA, AND WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE NORTHWEST SECTOR PLANNING MEETING FROM A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ATTENDED THERE WAS THEY KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED ONE DAY.
THEY JUST WRONT SURE WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE.
SO THEY WERE GLAD TO SEE IT AND HEAR AND BE ABLE TO CONFER WITH US. THERE WERE SOME FOLKS THAT HAD SOME CONCERNS, LEGITIMATE CONCERNS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT THEY ARE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN PROPERTIES THAT WHY WERE JUST WILT AROUND THE CORNER OR EVEN NEXT TO US.
SO-SO I THINK OVERALL IT WAS A VERY GOOD MEETING.
AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CALLS, AND I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY HAS HAD ANY CALLS SINCE THEN AND WE'VE TRADED ALL OUR NUMBERS SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS IF NEEDED.
BUT WE FELT THAT DENSITY WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA FROM A TRANSITIONAL PREBTIVE FROM COMMERCIAL TO RES-C A OPPOSED TO
DEZ RES-D. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I AGREE THIS IS A TRANSITIONAL AREA RIGHT NEXT TO THAT RURAL AND COMMERCIAL AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM RES-C, I SHOULD SAY ROAD, 16A IS NOT A STREET. SO, YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR GOING FROM ONE UNIT PER 20 ACRES TO 115 ON LESS THAN 20 ACRES IS -- THAT'S LIKE A 1,150% INCREASE IN DENSITY, WHICH IS REALLY TOUGH FOR ME TO ACCEPT.
ESPECIALLY EVEN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT THINK THAT HAS IT AT RES-B OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT EVEN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAS THIS AS AG.
AND I AGREE THE AG IS BEING SURROUNDED AND IT'S BEING PHASED OUT AND THAT'S SAD FOR ME TO REALIZE BECAUSE I REALLY THINK FARMLAND IS IMPORTANT, BUT WHAT REALLY IS TOUGH FOR ME IS AGAIN THE TRAFFIC ISSUES WITH NIECE ADVERSELY IMPACTED AND DEFICIENT ROAD SEGMENTS ALL AROUND YOU. I MEAN 1 YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY THEM. AND THE MAP'S IN THERE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT AGAIN COMP PLAN PROVISION .2.5C AND VARIOUS PROVISIONS OF THEREIN AND I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT EVERYTHING EVERYTHING I SAID FOR ITEM NUMBER 1, BUT AGAIN WE'RE JUST R RESPONSIBILITY TO FUND ALL THAT, BUT PUTTING MORE TRAFFIC ON THOSE ROADS UNTIL THEY ARE FIXED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY HAS $60 MILLION STASHEDZ STASHED AWAY OR NOT, I DON'T
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KNOW IF THE FIGURE OF 63,000, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PLAT YOURS, BUT THAT'S INTERESTING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PLAT THEM BUT THEY'RE GROWING TO POTENTIALLY BE HOUSES THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REALLY 45,000 OR WHAT BUT THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL ALREADY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT ON THE BOOKS THAT ARE GOING TO CLOG THESE ROADWAYS. SO I THINK YOU DID A GREAT PRESENTATION. I THINK YOUR COMMUNITY IS REALLY NICE. BUT I AM PERSONALLY NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR IT, BUT I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SAID AND YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS REALLY WELL.>> SPEAKER: AND I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR, THIS HAS SOME NATURAL BACK STOPS TO IT WITH THE ROADWAYS, WITH THE STATE ROAD 16, COUNTY ROAD 16A AND THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE, SO IT'S NOT URBAN STRAHL PRESIDENT OBAMA IS PILT TRANSITIONS OUT TO MORE AGRICULTURAL AND PUBLIC LAND.
SO FROM A PLANNING THEORY STANDPOINT IT REALLY IS A GREAT TRANSITIONAL USE IN TERMS OF THE EUCLID JEENG WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE. THIS DEVELOPMENT, 115 UNITS.
I JUST WANT TO PUT IN IT PERSPECTIVE.
THE NEIGHBORING UNITS HERE, ARBOR MILL, WHICH IS UP HERE, JUST NORTH, HAS 317 UNITS. IT WAS DONE IN 2014.
WARD'S CREEK WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO US ACROSS FROM THE CREEK, IT'S 252 UNITS ON 37 ACRES. THAT WAS DONE IN 2015 AND IT'S -- YOU LOOK AT 2019, 2021 AERIALS AND IT'S STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT SO IT'S JUST COME INTO ITS OWN.
BRIDLE CRINGE WAS 2021 SO THAT CHANGED.
BRIDLE RIDGE WAS 2021. OF COURSE, CROSS THE STREET YOU'VE GOT SILVERLEAF IN 2006 BUT IT CAME IN FOR A BIG CHANGE IN 2020 AND SIX MILE CREEK ACROSS THE STREET CAME IN, IT'S GOT -- THAT ONE HAS 4,000 PLUS UNITS BUT IT CAME IN IN 2021 FOR ADDITIONAL MOSKSDZ. BUT WE'RE VERY COMMENSURATE, AND YOU I BELIEVE RIGHT SIZE IS THE RIGHT WORD FOR THIS AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO GET RESIDENTIAL D OR MIXED USE.
WE FELT 115 UNITS ON THIS ACREAGE TRANSITIONING BETWEEN THE ADJACENT USES WHICH IS ALL FAIRLY NEW, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT YOU HAVE NATURAL BACK STOPS WITH THE PUBLIC LAND AND THE AGRICULTURAL LAND SO YOU'VE GOT KIND OF THIS NODE OF RESIDENTIAL, THEN FEEDING INTO A COMMERCIAL NODE HERE YOU.
SEE THE ATE OF HARDWARE IS THERE AND OTHER ELEMENTS COMING ONLINE. WE FEEL IT SHAPES UP NICELY FOR THAT AREA. IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT CROP AND AG LAND WASN'T GOING TO EXIST ANYMORE ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND I KNOW THE FOLKS ADJACENT TO US APPRECIATED KNOWING THERE WAS GOING TO BE A BUFFER BETWEEN THEM AND THAT U-HAUL FACILITY
AND WE'RE IT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I THINK IT'S A NICE DESIGN AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU GOING OVER ALL THE OTHER ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS AND HOW MANY UNITS THEY HAVE, WHICH ARE REALLY ONE OF THE REASONS STATE ROAD 16 AND 16A ARE SO CLOGGED, BUT, YEAH, YOU'VE LAID THAT OUT NICELY.
>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TRANSPORTATION CONCERN. I KNOW IT IS A CONCERN STRONG, BUT WE HAVE THE PROCESS AT HAND THAT ALLOWS THE PROP SHARE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE WITH THE COUNTY AND WE'RE HOPING TO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR ON THAT.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: I ALWAYS TRY TO LAY ON THE MY REASONING AND SAY WHY I'M VOTING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
>> SPEAKER: I KNOW YOU DID. YES, SIR.
>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TOOF THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF BUT I'M GOING TO ASK IT LIGHTER. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?
PLENCHTS MR. LABANOWSKI. >> SPEAKER: CHUCK LAB, 1748 NORTH CAPPERO. IT'S A GREAT PROJECT, AN OUTSTANDING PROJECT. WHAT I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS PROJECT DO IS FOUR LANE OR OOD AN ADDITIONAL TWO LANES GOING FROM THEIR PROPERTY OUT TO 16 ITSELF.
THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. THAT WAY IT WOULD GIVE GOOD ACCESS BECAUSE A LOT OF TRAFFIC TO THE WEST SIDE ON 16A.
THERE ARE SEVERAL SCHOOLS THAT ARE PLANNED FOR THAT AREA, INCLUDING A PARK, WHICH IS HERE. THAT'S TWO SCHOOLS, MIDDLE SCHOOL AND A HIGH SCHOOL. RIGHT NOW THE MILL CREEK PLAZA IS EXPANDING SO THAT'S DWHOAG TO INCREASE SOME TRAFFIC.
GOING TO INCREASE SOME TRAFFIC. YOU'VE GOT TO U-HAUL WHICH HAS NOT BEEN BUILT YET. THAT'S GOING TO CREATE SOME TRAFFIC AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS ON THE 16A AS WELL.
THERE'S A COMMUNITY THAT'S NOT COMPLETED YET WHICH IS DOWN ACROSS FROM WARD'S CREEK. ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED YOU'RE LOOKING A 250 PLUS VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING TO BE HITTING THE 16A THERE. NOW, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE.
AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO GO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
THERE'S 25,600 PLUS VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING TO HIT THAT INTERSECTION IN A GIVEN TIME. THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC FOR THAT
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AREA. AND THEN GUESS WHERE IT'S GOING? IT'S GOING TO 16. AND 16 -- I THREW SOME NUMBER OUT EARLIER. ONE NUMBER I DID NOT INCLUDE IN THAT WAS THE 2209 WIDENING FROM FOUR LANES TO SIX LANES, AND I FIGURE THAT WASN'T A FACTOR INTO THIS, BUT WE'RE LOOKING ANOTHER THE PHASE 3 OF THE COMMERCE CENTER AREA HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED IMRET. THE MONEY WILL NOT GO UNTIL PHASE 3 IS COMPLETED. THEY HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED PHASE 3. SO WE'RE LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD ON THAT ONE. COMPLETION OF 16, THIS IS COUNTY'S ESTIMATES, SEVEN YEARS BEFORE 16 IS COMPLETED.THAT'S GOING FROM PACETTI ALL WITH A UP TO THE OUTLET MALLS.
THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS TRAFFIC.
THESE ARE NOT ACTUALLY 16 BUT IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA, AND A LOT OF YOU HAVE TRAVELED 16. THERE'S YOUR TRAFFIC.
THERE'S YOUR TRAFFIC. AND THIS IS THE TRAFFIC THAT I LOVE. THAT'S WHAT IT USED TO BE LIKE, AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T GO BACK, BUT WE'VE GOT TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC. WE'VE GOT TO LET THE INFRASTRUCTURE CATCH UP WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS.
LIKE I SAID, THAT'S AN OUTSTANDING PROJECT THAT THEY'VE HAD GOING THERE. I WOULD LIKE SEE IT SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT. LET THE INFRASTRUCTURE CATCH UP.
>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO
OFFER SOME REBUTTAL? >> SPEAKER: YES, THANK YOU.
AND I APOLOGIZE, THE BLACK-AND-WHITE MDP MAP KIND OF GOT SKEWED ON THIS. LET'S SEE IF I CAN GO BACK.
WE DO HAVE IMPROVEMENTS OUT ON STATE -- ON COUNTY ROAD 16A.
THEY'RE NO SHOWN ON THERE. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS.
BEAR WITH ME. THIS SHOULDN'T OF HAVE HAVE SHIFTED BUT SOMEHOW IN THE TRANSITION TO THE EMAIL TO THE COUNTY AND -- IT GOT SHIFTED. THESE ARE TURN LANES.
THESE ARE DECEL AND TURN LANES THAT ARE PROGRAMMED FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT, AND SO WE DO HAVE IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE SPECIFIC TO OUR DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON, AND I HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER NELSON HERE AND HE CAN OPINE THAT REGARDING THE FIRST COAST -- WHAT'S COMING ONLINE AND I BELIEVE IN 2030 AND ACCEPTING FUTURE TRIPS AND THEN ALSO OUR PATROL SHARE WHICH SHOULD PROPORTIONAT SHOULD ABLE TO PAY FOR COUNTY ROAD 16A. THERE'S A REASON WE DIDN'T GO TO SKATE ROAD 16. WE UNDERSTOOD THERE COULD BE CUT-THROUGH TRACK OF. WHAT DO WE DO? GATE OUR COMMUNITY? WE SATISFIED WE'RE NOT GOING TO 16. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DUAL ACCESS ON STATE ROAD 16A. AND I WILL SAY THAT OUR PROP SHARE SHOULD AND COULD GO TOWARDS THE IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE THAT ARE NEEDED SO WE TALK ABOUT FOUR-LANING, ADDING EXTRA PAVEMENT. THERE'S NO REASON FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON IT TO THE INTERSECTION THAT CAN'T BE DONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE PROP SHARE MONEY, WHERE IT GOES. THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE, SIR, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE DO HAVE IMPROVEMENTS PLANNED.
HAVE I COVERED EVERYTHING, NELSON? OKAY. SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE ARE PROPOSING TO MAY BE IMPROVEMENT OUT THERE WHICH WOULD BE WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT HAVE DECEL AND TURN LANES INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE DON'T WANT TO BURDEN FOLKS WITH TURN LIGHTS TURNING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SO FORTH UNNECESSARILY, IS WE HAVE GOT FRACTURED PLANNED AS PART OF THIS AND, OF COURSE, THE PROP SHARE.
WE WOULD DO LOVE THAT PROP SHO GO TO IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT ON OUR CUSH CURB BUT I CAN'T GUARANTEE
THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO WHAT YOU JUST INDICATED ABOUT YOUR PRORT MONEY WOULD GO TOWARD IMPROVEMENTS, IS THAT FOR TURN LANE?
>> THIS, WE'RE DOING THIS NO MATTER WHAT.
THAT'S A DEVELOPMENT COST NO MATTER WHAT.
WE MAY NIGH PROP SHARE BASED ON THE METHODOLOGY THAT COUNTY PROVIDES US AS FOR AREA WIDE IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT OUR PROP SHARE IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER PROOSMS COULD BE DONE OUT THERE WITH THAT PROP SHARE APPOINTMENT OOH YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND WE'RE 115 UNITS. WE'RE PROBABLY THE SMALLEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN THIS ENTIRE LITTLE STRETCH AREA BY FAR, AND SO IT'S A VERY EXACT DENSE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS. WE DISPISKLY CHOSE COUNTY ROAD 16A AS OPPOSED TO A CUT-THROUGH TO COUNTY ROAD 16 WHICH FEEDS THROUGH THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS AND LIGHTING AT THE INTERSECTION BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WE ARE PROVIDING DECEL TURN LANES INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BEYOND PROP SHARES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THE DEVELOPER WILL DO.
THAT'S A BORN COST. I HOPE THAT HELPS RECONSIDERING YOUR DECISIONS BUT THE PROP SHARE IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WISH WE COULD CHANNEL AND FUND IT TO JUST THIS BUT WE'RE NOT A DRI SO WE CAPTAIN SAY IT SHOULD GO HERE, HERE, HERE.
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IT US IN ADDITION THE POT OF MONEY THAT THE COUNTY HAS AND NECESSITY DECIDE BASED ON THE VOTE AND THE EXAM IMPROVEMENT SCHEDULES WHERE THAT MONEY SHOULD GO.JUST WANTED TO ADD MERE ABOUT THAT.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: GOOD ANSWER.
>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF.
DO YOU KNOW, AND I SHOULD HAVE WALKED OVER THERE AND TIPPED OFF SO YOU COULD BE LOOKING THIS UP BEFOREHAND, BUT DO YOU KNOW WHEN WE APPROVED THE U-HAUL ON THE CORNER AND WHAT THE DENSITIES WE APPROVED ON THAT CORNER? AS I RECALL IT'S QUITE DENSE.
>> I HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP. >> SPEAKER: I DO HAVE THOSE
NUMBERS. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.
>> SPEAKER: SO THE U-HAUL WAS JUST APPROVED WIN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, AND IT ACTUALLY HAS IN, AND IT'S ALL FOR COMMERCIAL. SO IT HAS 155,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL, AND THAT WAS UPZONED TO THE INTENSITY AND IT ALSO HAS 163,000 SQUARE FOOT AREA FOF JUNIOR RV AND BOAT SOLDIER, SO THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEIR U-HAUL STUFF.
YOU CAN BUY PACKAGING AND OTHER COMMERCIAL USES IN THE 155,000 SQUARE FEET BUT THEN THEY HAVE A LAWDOWN AIR OF 163,000 SQUARE FEET FOR BOAT AND RV STORAGE. WE KNOW WE NEED THAT IN THE COMMUNITIES. WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THOSE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THERE'S A PLACE FORIT AND WE BUTT UP AGAINST IT. THE BURDEN IS OUT US TO DO SCREENING WITHIN AND WE WILL DOUGH THAT WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT EDGE. BUT THOSE ARE THE BASIC NUMBERS,
MR. MATOVINA. >> MR. MATOVINA: DO YOU KNOW
THE ACREAGE? >> SPEAKER: IT IS 13 ACRES.
I'M GLAD I WROTE THAT DOWN. DUE DILIGENCE.
>> MR. MATOVINA: DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT, MS. BISHOP?
>> I HAVEN'T FOUND IT YET IN OUR FILE SO I CAN'T SAY WANT YOU WAY OR THE OTHER SPINCHTS TOOK IT FRATE FROM THE FUDD ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED. ABOUT RIGHT, AS I RECALL.NDS-
>> SPEAKER: IF IT ISN'T I APOLOGIZE BUT WROTE THOSE DOWN
FOR A REASON. >> ACCORDING TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT IS 13.55 ACRES.
THERE'S NO JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS.
THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN REFLECTS 151,426 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE TO BE DISTRIBUTED AMONG MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ACROSS THE SITE WITHIN DEVELOPMENT AREA A FOR U MAUL FACILITY CONSISTING OF A MAIN ADMINISTRATIVE AND STORAGE BUILDING, A SECOND MAIN BUILDINGS FOR THE U BOX ACTIVITIES, AND OTHER PERIMETERS SELF STORAGE BUILDINGS, DEVELOPMENT AREA B IS PLANNED FOR 163,386 SQUARE FOOT BOAT AND RV STORAGE. THE COMPLEX WILL HAVE THREE ACCESS POINTS, TWO TO COUNTY ROAD 16A AND ONE ON STATE ROAD 16. AND INTERCONNECTIVITY IS PROVIDED VIA NEW INFRES AND EGRESS DRIVEWAYS ON COUNTY ROAD 16A TO NORTHEAST AND STATE ROAD 16 TO THE SOUTH AND POSSIBLE FUTURE CONNECTION POINTS PROPOSED TO THE ADJACENT VACANT
PROPERTY TO THE WEST. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.
THANK YOU, MS. BISHOP. THANK YOU, MR. WESTER.
SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY AT THIS APPOINT FEAR MOTION, I BELIEVE. THIS IS NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 4.
THE COMP PLAN CHANGE MENCHTS PERCENTAGE OF NOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMP PLANAO 2021-26 WADE'S CREEK REQUEST FOR A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF APPROXIMATELY 19 FNT 22 ACRES OF LAND FROM AG INTENSIVE TO RES-C TO ACCOMMODATE A MOOK OF 115 DWELLING UNITS BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.
>> MR. MATOVINA: A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. MILLER.
DISCUSSION? I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE NOT TOO LONG AGO APPROVED AN INCREDIBLY DENSE 13 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WHO ARE PAYING NOTHING IN PROP SHARE, AND THAT PROPERTY OWNER CASHED IN, SO NOW WE HAVE AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS ATTEMPTING TO DO THE SAME WHO HAS RAISED CATTLE FOR A LONG TIME AND NOW IT'S TIME TO VOTE.
MR. PIERRE. >> MR. PIERRE: I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I AGAIN REFERENCE TO THE FAIR SHARE.
GOOD PRESENTATION, THOUGH, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS.
>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE ALL RIGHT. SO THAT MOTION PASSES 4 TO 2.
SO LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 5.
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>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD
[6. PUD 2022-01 2020 State Road 16 PUD. Request to rezone approximately 18.54 acres of land from Open Rural (OR), Commercial Intensive (CI), and Commercial General (CG) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow for a multifamily residential community consisting of approximately 240 garden-style residential dwelling units.]
2021-24 WADE'S CREEK PUD REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELILY 19.22 ACRES FROM OPEN RURAL TO PUD TO ACCOMMODATE A MAXIMUM 115 RESIDENTIAL UNITS BASED UPON NINE FINDINGS OF A FACT.>> SPEAKER: WE . >> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. MILLER. IS THERE DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LETS REGISTER THE VOTE.
30. THAT MOTION PASSES 4 TO 2.
AND WE ARE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6. MS. ROTHENBERG OR MR. INGRAM.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DECLARE ON
ITEM NUMBER 61234 >> SPEAKER: MEMBERS, I'M TOM, INC. RAL AT SOTO & INGRAM 2 THE 3EES BAY TREAT TUITE 1113 SCWAKSVILLE, FLORIDA AND I'M HERE FOR THE APPLICANT.
THIS IS A SITE ON 2020 STATE ROAD SUSTAIN 16.
THIS IS EAST OF I-95. THOSE OF YOU YOU HAVE BEEN AROUND HERE FOR A WHILE MAY KNOW THE SITE.
IT WAS FORM LIR A TOURIST TRAP. IT ONCE WAS CALLED THE OLDEST JAIL IN AN EFFORT TO PERHAPS MAYBE REDIRECT SOME OF THE TOURISTS GOING TO SEE THE OLD JAIL TO GO SEE THE OLDEST JAIL.
WHICH WAS OWNED BY A A GUY NAMED BUDDY HOWL WHO WAS OF SOME NOTE RITE AND APPARENTLY COMPLAINED THAT THE LOCAL CHAMBER WOULDN'T ALLOW HIM TO BE A MEMBER. HE ALSO -- PERHAPS IT HAS SOMETHING TOADS MOW WITH THIS OTHER TOURIST ATTRACTION IN DOWNTOWN ST. AUGUSTINE WHERE HE HAD THE VISION OF DOING A MUSEUM DEDICATED TO THE TRAGEDIES IN U.S. HISTORY, SO HE HAD -- HE CLAIMED TO HAVE LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S BEDROOM URNLG FURNITURE AND BONNIE AND CLYDE'S CAR THY DIED IN.
APPARENTLY THE CITY OF SANTIAGO WHEN ST. AUGUSTINE WHEN THEY HEARD NEWS OF THIS COMING DOWN THE WAY, THEY HAD AN ARMING MEETING, AMENDED THE ZONING CODE TO DELETE MUSEUMS FROM THE LIST OF PERMITTED USES AND TRIED TO STOP HIM, AND MR. HOWELL WENT TOTE FLORIDA SPEAKER AND THE SUPREME COURT AGREED THAT THAT WAS NOT FAIR PLAY, AND SO THE TRAGEDY IN U.S. HISTORY MUSEUM WAS PART OF ST. AUGUSTINE'S CHARACTER THERE FOR A WHILE UNTIL MR. HOWELL'S PASSING.
SO LATER THE OLDEST JAIL ATTRACTION BECAME FORT BENGALI WHICH WAS A VERY SHORT-LIVED ZOO.
APPARENTLY THE ZOOKEEPER WAS COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT.
AND LATER IT WAS USED AS A FLEA MARKE, AND BY AND LARGE IT'S BEEN CLOSED SINCE I THINK IT'S MID TO LATE 80S TO REALLY '90S. I THINK THERE'S AN INDIAN CRAFTS PLACE THERE. YOU CAN STILL SEE THE REMNANTS OF A QUASI-FORT ALONG THE EDGE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO STOP ON THEIR WAY TO DOWNTOWN ST. AUGUSTINE.
SO THIS IS A SITE. IT'S PROPPED FOR APARTMENTS, A MAXIMUM OF 240 UNITS. IT'S 18.54 ACRES.
HERE ARE SOME LOCATION MAPS TO JUST ORIENT EVERYBODY.
SO TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE A CONDOMINIUM WHICH HAS THE BEAUTIFUL NAME. I LOVE IT.
IT'S FLORIDA OLD TOWN VILLAGES CONDOMINIUMS, WHICH IS THREE STORIES WITH NINE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND AN AMENITY CENTER.
THERE ARE ALSO ABOUT FIVE HOME SITES TO THE SOUTH.
THERE'S AN ATLANTIC SELF STORAGE.
THERE'S SEVERAL FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS IN THE AREA.
THERE IS A -- THERE IS ALSO A HOTEL.
LET'S SEE. ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES OF THE SITE ARE AUTO-ORIENTED BUSINESSES.
THERE'S A USED CAR DEALER AND AUTO REPAIR SITE ON THE EAST AND AUTO GLASS AND COLLISION CENTER ON THE WEST.
TO THE NORTH IS MANAGED PINE PLANTATION.
YOU CAN MAKE OUT THE ROWS OF PINE TREES ON THAT AERIAL.
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THAT'S POOFORT PART OF THE TWELVE MILE SWAMP ACQUISITION THAT IS BEING MANAGED BY RAINIER.HERE'S MORE TO ORIENT WHERE EVERYTHING IS.
YOU HAVE THE OLD TOWN VILLAGES TO THE SOUTH.
YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL CONDOMINIUMS TO THE EAST THERE.
IT'S CALLED THE LOFTS AT SEBASTIAN COVE.
THERE ARE ABOUT 356 CONDO UNITS IN THERE AND THEN TO THE NORTH OF THAT IS SINGLE FAMILY. SO THIS IS ALSO NEAR THE ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER. DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT WHICH HAS HUNDREDS OF TOWNHOMES IN IT.
THE COUNTY RECENTLY APPROVED THE REDEVELOPMENT CLOSED OUTLET MALL WITH APARTMENTS. THE AREA IS ALSO A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER, AND THERE'S IN ADDITION TO THE USES THAT ARE COMMON TO THE TOURIST INDUSTRY, THERE'S A CONDUCTOR, LIKE A CIRCUIT COMPANY TO THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT WHOSE NAME ESCAPES ME AT THE MOMENT BUT IT'S ONE OF THE BIGGER EMPLOYERS IN THE AREA. AND IT WILL COME TO ME.
SO THIS IS IN A MIXED USE LAND USE.
SO AGAIN, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, THE COUNTY WHEN IT FIRST DEVELOPEDTH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UNDER THE 1985 GROWTH MANAGEMENT ACT, ENVISIONED HAVING MIXED USE NODES AT EACH OF ITS INTERSTATE INTERCHANGES IN AN EFFORT TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE AREAS, ALSO TO DISCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE COAST. BACK IN THAT TIME FRAME, THE BIG WORRY WAS NOT NORTHWEST ST. JOHNS COUNTY, MAYBE IT'S NOT A SURPRISE. WEREN'T SO WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
THEY WERE WORRY ABOUT THE BOOM IN CONDOMINIUM DEVELOPMENT IN THE CRESCENT BEACH IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH AREA, AND THERE'S A LOT HANG WRINGING. AND I WILL TELL YOU AS A KID I AM SO GLAD THAT THOSE CONDOS CAME TO EXIST.
THAT'S WHERE OUR FAMILY VACATIONS WERE MOST EVERY SUMMER AND WHERE MY DAD ULTIMATELY RETIRED.
SO -- BUT IT DID STOP, AND REALLY THE COUNTY SUCCEEDED IN REDIRECTING THE BULK OF GROWTH INLAND AWAY FROM THE COAST, WHICH WAS REALLY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THAT TIME.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN DAYTONA AND SOUTH FLORIDA.
SO THE BULK OF OUR DEVELOPMENT'S INLAND AND NOW WE'RE FIGHTING ABOUT NORTHWEST ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHICH I JUST HAVE TO WONDER IN THE FOLKS WHO HAVE DEVELOPED THAT PLAN MIGHT SAY, YES, GOOD, WE'RE FIGHTING INLAND INSTEAD OF 40-STORY TOWERS ON CRESCENT BEACH LIKE HAPPENED AROUND PONZI INLETS FOR THOSE OF YOU MORE FAMILIAR TO THE SOUTH. CURRENT ZONING IS A MIX HAVE COMMERCIAL GENERAL, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND OPEN RURAL.
IT'S A PIT BIT OF A PATCHWORK. WHY IS THAT? IT IS VERY RARE THE THAT COUNTY INITIATES REZETA-JONES.
THEY WAIT ON THE LANDOWNERS TO APPLY, AND THAT'S TRUE OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS AS WELL.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT A MAP AND YOU GO, WHY IS THIS CORNERING AG OR RURAL/SILVICULTURE? IT'S BECAUSE THE LANDOWNER HASN'T APPLIED YET. REALLY SINCE TINS SCECHGHTS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHTD NIRGS MAP WAS LAID OUT IT'S BEEN LAND OWNER DRIVEN. SO HERE'S THE MIXED USE DISTRICT WHICH THIS IS PART OF. THIS SITE WHEN YOU LOOK BACK INTO THE HISTORICAL AERIALS IT'S BEEN CLEARED AND DEVELOPED IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER FOR MANY YEARS.
IT'S OUTSIDE OF ANY OF THE 500 OR 100-YEAR FLOODPLAINS.
IT HAS ABOUT 1.58 ACRES OF WETLANDS, .37 ACRES SURFACE WATER, ABOUT 1.21 ACRES OF WETLANDS.
THE AREAS THAT ARE MARKED 621 ON THE MAP IN FRONT OF YOU, THOSE ARE ISOLATED. THERE'S AN UPLAND CUT DIANN DITCH THERE IN THE WESTERLY PART OF THE SITE.
SO AGAIN 18.54 ACRES, 240 UNITS. DENSITY WOULD STAY BELOW THE MIXED USE MAXIMUM OF 13 UNITS PER NET DEVELOPABLE ACRE BUT IT'S RIGHT AT THAT. IT'S A MIX OF TWO AND THREE STORY BIMEDZ. HERE'S THE MDP MAP SHOWING THE BUILDINGS THE WAYNER ORIENTED. YOU HAVE THE PONDS TO THE FRONTAGE ON STATE RADIOED 16 AND THE OPEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE.
THERE WILL BE AN AMENITY CENTER AS WELL.
REGARDING ACCESS, WHAT IS CONTEMPLATED IS A LEFT IN AND RIGHT OUT ACCESS POINT THERE ON THE EAST.
THAT IS THE LESS INTENSIVE OPENING.
SOME LIGHT MOOK AND TRY TO GET A FULL LEFT IN, LEFT OUT.
THAT'S THOT NOT WHAT WE'RE SEEKING.
ULTIMATELY ANY ACCESS IS SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND PERMITTING BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, SO WE HAVE MET WITH THEM, AND AS WE GET THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM TO GET A PERMIT.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE ASK IN THIS BODY, WHAT ABOUT YOUR OTHER
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PERMITS? YOUR WATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT, YOUR DRIVEWAY PERMIT, YOUR CORE PERMIT? WHY DIDN'T HAVEN'T GOU GOTTEN THEM YET? THE ANSWER THE SOME OF THESE THINGS HAS TO BE DONE SEQUENTIALLY. ONE DOES OBTAIN ALL THE PERMITS BEFORE YOU GET YOUR ZONING, AND THE STATUTES EVEN RECOGNIZE THAT. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, STATUTES DO NOT ALLOW LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO CONDITION THEIR APPROVAL ON GETTING OTHER STATE PERMITS FIRST.AND IT'S JUST AGAIN, IT'S JUST A PROCESS.
THIS IS AN INVOLVED EFFORT, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.
WE'VE HAD VARIOUS CONSULTANTS WORKING ON THIS FOR A WHILE.
WE WILL WORK THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY PERMIT AS WELL.
THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SITE PLAN JUST SHOWING THE GENERAL RELATION OF THE BUILDINGS AND OPEN SPACE.
SO THE DEVELOPER, WHICH WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET, IS ARLINGTON PROPERTIES. THEY ARE ANOTHER BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA-BASED COMPANY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS ABOUT BIRM HAM BUT THERE'S GENERATIONS DEVELOPERS ALLERTON PROPERTIES IS A 52-YEAR-OLD COMPANY BASED IN BIRMING L. HAM FOCUSING ONS CLA A DEVELOPMENT AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.
IN THE LAST TEN YEARS ARLINGTON HAS DEVELOPED AND DESTRUCT OVER 9,000 MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
MOSTLY IN THE SOUTHEAST BUT UNLESS COLORADO.
THEY HAVE DONE PROJECTS IN JACKSONVILLE RECENTLY.
THERE'S THE TAPESTRY AT WESTLAND VILLAGE, APARTMENTS ON THE WEST SIDE THAT MADE THE PAPER AS ONE OF THE HIGH-SELLING COMMUNITIES.
SOLD LAST YEAR. IF YOU KNOW THE TAPESTRY DEVELOPMENT THERE BY -- WHAT IS IT? A MOVIE THEATER. ICE ESCAPING ME BUT IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BOULEVARD AT JTB IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, IT'S TAPESTRY PARK. ARLINGTON PROPERTIES ALSO DEVELOPED THAT. SO WITH REGARDS TO THIS SLIDE, ARLINGTON LIKES TO GIVE DISCOUNTS ON RENT TO PREFERRED EMPLOYERS THAT ARE IN THE VICINITY OF A DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE DID LOOK AT WHO THE EMPLOYERS ARE IN THE AREA.
THE LARGEST EMPLOYER IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE ARE NOT FAR BEHIND. AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE THE FLORIDA% NATIONAL GUARD. WE HAVE CARLISLE INTERCONNECTIVITY TECHNOLOGIES WHICH IS WITH CIRCUITS COMPANY I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE NAME. BURKHART DISTRIBUTING IS ON IND HANDLED. ALUMINUM IS ALSO ON INHANDLED ROAD I. AND NORTHROP GRUMMAN IS ALSO A MAJOR EMPLOYER. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC, AND THE PREMISE WAS ADVANCED IF WE STOP BUILDING ALL THIS HOUSING, WE'LL HAVE LESS TRAFFIC.
WELL, A LOT OF THESE EMPLOYERS THAT ARE EMPLOYING THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THIS COUNTY CAN'T EASILY MOVE.
SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS NOT GOING TO MOVE.
THE COUNTY IS NOT GOING TO MOVE. ALL OF THESE PEOPLE NEED AN AFFORDABLE PLACE TO LIVE. IF THEY CAN'T LIVE HERE, THEY LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE'VE HAD PLANNING DIRECTORS IN THIS COUNTY THAT DON'T LIVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT CHOOSE MORE AFFORDABLE PLACES TO LIVE. SO I DON'T MEAN TO GO TOO SOAP BOX ON YOU, BUT REFUSING TO HAVE HOUSES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WILL NOT SOLVE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. IF YOU GO ON 95 THE IN MORNING, YOU WILL SEE THE LINE OF SERVICE WORKERS COMING DOWN TO THIS COUNTY. IT'S QUITE APPARENT.
HERE'S SOME EXAMPLES OF THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT ARLINGTON PROPERTIES HAS DONE IN OTHER AREAS, BUT IN GENERAL THEIR ARCHITECTURAL IS IN KEEPING WITH WHAT THEY ANTICIPATE HERE.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF MORE OF ARLINGTON PROPERTIES.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TALT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TRAFFIC.
IF YOU'D LOOK ME TO GO STRAIGHT TO IT, I'M HAPPY TO OR I'M HAPPY
TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DR. HILSENBECK.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: YEAH, I KNOW -- THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION, AS ALWAYS, FROM YOU.
YOU MENTIONED IN THE APPLICATION ABOUT DEMOLISHING THE ENTRANCE FOR THE ST. JOHN RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO GET THE BACK INTO THE TWELVE MILE SWAMP PROPERTY.
HAVE THEY THEY ALREADY AGREED TO THAT AND THE RELOCATION OF THAT
ENTRANCE? >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, DR. HILSENBECK. THERE IS AN UNOPENED EASEMENT THAT'S COVERED IN TREES THAT GOES THROUGH THIS SITE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO MOOVIT TO THE WEST -- MOVE IT TO THE WEST.
THAT HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED AT THIS TIME.
SO ONE OF THE PARTIES IN INTEREST IS RAINIER BECAUSE THEY MANAGE THE TIMBER TO THE WEST-- -- SHOOS EXCUSE ME -- TO THE NORTH. THEY ACCESS THAT TIMBER THROUGH OTHER MEANS, SO THIS HAS NOT BEEN OPENED AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN IN MANY YEARS. I THINK WE WILL WORK THAT OUT,
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BUT IF WE ARE UNABLE TO, THEN WE'LL SIMPLY HAVE TO WORK AROUNDTHE ACCESS EASEMENT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND I DO UNDERSTAND OBVIOUSLY THAT YOU DON'T PERMIT EVERYTHING BEFORE GETTING APPROVAL BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT.
OKAY. I JUST WONDERED ABOUT THAT.
AND I THOUGHT THE RAINIER MANAGEMENT OF THAT PROPERTY WAS GOING TO EXPIRE I THINK 20 YEARS AFTER THE STATE AND THE DISTRICT BOUGHT THAT LAND. ISN'T IT ABOUT 20 YEARS NOW?
AREN'T THEY ABOUT -- >> SPEAKE: YEAH, IT HAS BEEN.
I THINK THAT WHAT IS FIRST PROJECT I WORKED ON IN ST. JOHNT DEAL, SO I MAINLY CARRIED THE BRIEFCASE WITH THE BOOKS AND STUFF. I HAD A GREAT LAWYER THAT I WORKED WITH BACK THEN. BUT, YES, IT WAS.
I THINK IT WAS SUPPOSED TO EXPIRE AROUND 2020, 2022.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS EXTENDED, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
BUT -- I MEAN, LET ME JUST TOUCH ON THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE I KNOW THE NOTES WAS MOST OF THE DISCUSSION LAST TIME.
SO WE HAVE RUN THE CONCURRENCY ANALYSIS.
THERE WERE -- SO FIRST YOU LOOK AT ROADS WITHIN FOUR MILES OF THE PROJECT, LOOK AT THE RADIUS WITH ALL THE ROAD LINKS.
THERE ARE TWIEWN ROAD LINKS IDENTIFIED AS BEING WITHIN 4 MILES. THE 29.
THE PROJECT IS PROJECTED TO GENERATE 1 FOR YOU P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS. SO OF THE 29 ROAD LINKS, THERE WERE FOUR LINKS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS HAVING -- WELL, THERE ARE FOUR LINKS IDENTIFIED WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD CONTRIBUTE 1% OR MORE OF THE MAXIMUM SERVICE VOLUME FOR THE ADOPTED LEVEL SERVICE. SO I'LL GO THROUGH THEM SLOWLY SO FOLKS ON THESE -- FIRST AND FOUR MILE ROAD BETWEEN HOLMES BOULEVARD AND STATE ROAD 16. FOUR MILE ROAD THE ONE IS THAT RUNS DIAGONAL SOUTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST ON THAT MAP IF YOU CAN SEE. IT IT PROVIDES A CONNECTION TO HOLMES BOULEVARD WHICH RUNGS NORTH-SOUTH.
SO THAT LINK WAS IDENTIFIED WHERE 20 TRIPS FROM THE PROJECT COULD GO DURING PEAK HOUR. THE SECOND WAS STROORT 16 I-95 TO INLAND ROAD. RIGHT AT THEY INTERCHANGE.
21 TRIPS. TO COME FROM THE PROJECT ON THEIR THIRD -- STATE ROAD SUSTAIN INMAN TO.
THAT'S THE DIRECT ACCESS LINK IN FRONT OF THE PROJECT.
FINALLY STATE R&D 16 FOUR MILE ROAD TO WOODLAWN ROAD 25 TRIPS.
SO THAT'S FURTHER TO THE EAST OF HOLMES.
SO OF THAT, OUR ANALYSIS IS THAT TWO OF THOSE 26 -- EXCUSE ME -- TWO OF THE 29 ROAD LENGTHS WITHIN FOUR MILES WOULD HAVE BOTH SIGNIFICANT AND ADVERSE IMPACTS, MEANING WE CONTRIBUTE MORE THAN 1% OF THE MSV AND THEY'RE FAILING.
SO THE COUNTY'S PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS IN THEIR STAFF RECORD SAYS THAT FOUR OF THE 29 FAILED, AND THE ISSUE HAS TO DO WITH STATE ROAD 16 FROM INMAN GOING EAST TO WOODLAWN.
UNDER THAT ANALYSIS THAT THE COUNTY HAD WE'RE BARELY OVER, BASICALLY JUST WENT OVER CAPACITY WITH THE RESERVED AND TRAFFIC COUNTS. OUR ANALYSIS BASED ON SPREADSHEET WAS POLITICAL SHOWED RELATIVELY SMALL MATTER.
WHERE THE UNCLE OF THE TRIPS ARE FOUR MILE RODE, HOLMES BEHOOVED IS THIS TO STROOT STROOD 16 TO INMAN.
I WANT TO YOU FOCUS ON THOSE THIS.
STATE ROAD 16 FROM 95 TO INMAN IS THE INTERCHANGE.
THERE'S YOU CAN CRESCENT BEACH UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW TO BUILD IT, INDICTMENT INTERCHANGE.ERGING- HATES BEEN DETERMINED BY FDOT THAT THAT STYLE OF INTERCHANGE CAN BE BOTH SAFER AND IMPROVE TRAFFIC THROW. IT'S UNDERWAY NOT ONLY ARE THEY BUILDING IT RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A PHASE 2 IN THE WORKS TO TRY TO MAKE IT EVEN BETTER. SO WITH REGARDS TO THAT, THERE IS -- THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS UNDERWAY.
NOW, NEXT REGARDING HOLMES BOULEVARD TO STATE ROAD 16, THAT IS A NORTH-SOUTH CONNECTOR. IT'S ONE OF THE NEW NORTH-SOUTH CONNECTORS IN COUNTY IS. BASICALLY YOU HAVE A1A, 16AO AND HOLMES. THE NEXT BIG ONE IS 95.
SO THE COUNTY HAS LONG IDENTIFIED THE NEED FOR ANOTHER NORTH-SOUTH CONNECTOR IN THE AREA AT HOLMES BOULEVARD AND HAVE BEEN WORKING ON STATE ROAD 313 FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
THEY HAVE ACQUIRED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S MAPS.
AND EVEN LAST MONTH THE FIRST COAST TRANSPORTATION PLANNING
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ORGANIZATION AMENDED THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PLAN TO ALLOCATE ANOTHER $8 MILLION FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE ACT TO DO PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING FOR THE ROAD.SO THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD ON A NEW NORTH-SOUTH CONNECTOR IN THIS VICINITY. THAT LENGTH, STATE ROAD SOUTH OF STATE ROAD 16 HAS BEEN THE COUNTY A TOP LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY IN THIS YEAR AND I BELIEVE IN LAST YEAR AS WELL.
SO THE COUNTY IS VERY WELL AWARE OF IT, HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT.
IT IS -- IT'S A STATE ROAD SO IT'S PRESUMABLY GOING TO BE STATE FUNDED. SO IN SUMMARY, YOU HAVE TWO LENGTHS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TRAFFIC WHERE THE ROADS ARE UNDERWATER. THEY'RE OVERCAPACITY.
IN BOTH WASTES, SO ONE IS ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THE OTHER IS -- YOU KNOW, RIGHT-OF-WAY IS THERE, AND ENGINEERING IS UNDERWAY. THIS PROJECT, BASED ON OUR TRAFFIC STUDY, WOULD HAVE A PROP SHARE OF AROUND $180,000 FOR 240 UNITS. THAT'S ABOUT A TENTH OF WHAT OUR IMPACT FEES ARE. SO THE IMPACT FEES ARE INTENDED TO OFFSET TRAFFIC IMPACTS. SO IT'S ONE WAY OF MEASURING A PROJECT'S TRACK OF IMPACTS AND THAT IS ABOUT 1.8.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ACTUALLY ROADS, OUR PROPORTIONATE SHARE IMPACT ARE ABOUT A TENTH AND IF YOU TAKE THE COUNTY'S STAFF REPORT AND THEIR PROP SHARE IT WOULD BE A FIFTH BUT IT'S STILL MUCH LOWER. SO THERE ARE ARE NOT A TON OF SITES LIKE THIS WHERE THERE'S CAPACITY AROUND, AND I THINK THERE'S GOOD REASON FOR IT AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS DISCUSS HERE, BUT THERE'S BEEN THISSED THIS DWRDZ ADVN DISCUSSIONS, THE IN WORKSHOPS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT THE COUNTY TAXPAYERS OUGHT TO FUND EVERY IMPROVEMENT THAT SHOULD BE DONE UNDER IDEAL CIRCUMSTANCES AND CREATE EXCESS CAPACITY FIRST BEFORE DEVELOPERS CAN COME IN AND USE IT ALL UP, AND AT THE THE COUNTY TAXPAYERS' COST. THAT POLITICALLY WOULD NEVER HAPPEN EVER, NOT IN A DEMOCRACY, NOT IN A DEMOCRACY, NOT IN A SYSTEM WHERE THE COUNTY IS A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE, NOT WHERE YOU CAN FREELY MOVE TO ANOTHER SITE, SO THAT'S NOT THE REALITY. ININFESTED THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE -- INSTEAD THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IS THAT DEVELOPERS EXPECTED TO HELP FIRE ROAD IMPROVEMENT TO OFFSET THE IMPACTS THAT THEY CREATE. SO UNDER THAT SYSTEM WE'RE CONTRIBUTING THE $1.8 MILLION WHICH IS FIVE TO TEN TIMES MORE THAN THE ACTUAL IMPACT MEASURED UNDER THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT WAS A GREAT ANSWER AND I DIDN'T EVEN ASK THE QUESTION YET. IT WAS REALLY OTHERY OH.
>> AND I WAS PAYING ATTENTION. >> DR. HILSENBECK: HAPPY BIRTHDAY. THE IMPACTED AND DEFICIENT ROADWAY SEGMENTS 1 YOU'VE COVERED THEM ALL AND THAT WAS A THOROUGH ANSWER AND YOU'RE ALWAYS WELL PREPARED AND WELL INFORMED. LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.
SO I KNOW THERE ARE ALL DISCOUNTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE GIVEN FOR RENTERS IN THERE. SO THESE ARE RENTAL UNITS,
OBVIOUSLY, NOT OWNED UNITS. >> AND YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S ANOTHER TREND I'M SEEING A LOT OF. SO EVEN -- THERE'S NO WORKFORCE HOUSING BUT THERE ARE ALL THESE DISCOUNTS.
I JUST WONDERED, I SAW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE MILITARY AND GRUM GRUM.
WHY BURCKHARDT? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
>> SPEAKER: BURCKHARDT IS I THINK LESS THAN A MILE AWAY.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: NEAR THE ALUMINUM PLANT?
>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE.
AND CARLISLE INTERCONNECT TECHNOLOGIES IS ALSO CLOSE BY AND IT'S A MAJOR EMPLOYER. HISTORIAN ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S GOOD. WHAT OTHER STRUCTURES OUT THAT WAY BESIDES SOME OF THE HOTELS A LITTLE FURTHER WEST RIGHT THERE AT THE I-95-16 INTERSECTION? WHAT OTHER AREAS -- WHAT OTHER BUILDINGS OUT THERE ARE 55 FEET TALL YOU? MENTIONED THREE-STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX NEAR THERE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S 55 FEET TALL.
BUT WHAT OTHER 55-FOOT TALL >> SPEAKER: YOU KNOW, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW. WE ARE LIMITING THE DEVELOPMENT TO THREE STORIES. I KNOW THAT OLD TOWN VILLAGES HAS THREE-STORY DEVELOPMENTS IN IT.
I CANNOT RECALL IF THE CONDOS TO THE EAST HAVE ANY THREE-STORY
PRODUCT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: ALL RIGHT.
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AND DON'T THINK I DIDN'T NOTICE ON PAGE 128 YOUR STATEMENT ON FINE SANDS. [LAUGHTER]>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR READING.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: BUT I WILL SAY ALL FINE SANDS ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL. MANY ARE WAY WETTER THAN OTHERS THAT ARE WAY DRYER. BUT I DID APPRECIATE YOUR STATEMENT IN THERE AFTER WE HAD AN EXCHANGE ONE TIME.
>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING UP FOR FARMING.
BRIEWRG IT WAS INVESTIGATION I RESOLVED TO LEARN HOW TO GROW MY OWN FOOD IN CASE REALLY NEED TODAY KNOW HOW, AND I AM HAVING SOME SUCCESS. I'VE GOT A GOOD CROP OF TOMATOES
GOING RIGHT NOW. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I WILL SAY THAT THIS ISN'T A QUESTION BUT A A STATEMENT BUT I'M JUST GOING TO QUICKLY SAY IT. IF IT AREN'T T WEREN'T FORS PREVIOUS ITEMS 1 AND 4 AND EVEN THOUGH YOUR EAST OF I-95, WHICH I CONSIDER THAT MUCH MORE OF AN INFILL, BUT IF IT WEREN'T FOR THOSE ITEMS JUST PRECEDING YOU HERE AND THE ROAD IMPACTS AND THE ADVERSELY IMPACTED ROAD SEGMENTS, I WOULD VOTE FOR THIS, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR IT, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT AND IT WILL LIKELY PASS. SO THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. MILLER. >> MR. MILLER: GOOD AFTERNOON, TOM. I'M LOOKING AT YOUR SITE PLAN.
I THINK I'M READING IT HAD CORRECTLY.
THERE'S TWO POINTS OF ACCESS, BUT ONE IS ONLY AN EMERGENCY
>> SPEAKER: YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THIS DESIGN CONTEMPLATES THAT IN THE EVENT YOU HAD AN EMERGENCY WITH A FIRE TRUCK THAT CAME IN, AND IT COULD BE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY, TOO, BECAUSE SOMETIMES FIRE TRUCKS RESPOND TO MEDICAL EMERGENCIES, THAT IT WOULD PRESERVE WAY FOR THE FIRE TRUCK TO TURN AROUND SNIECHED THE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT -- INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT NEEDING TO BACKUP ONTO STATE ROAD 16 SO IT WOULD BE A GATE THAT WOULD BE OPENABLE BY THE
FIREFIGHTER SERVICES. >> MR. MILLER:IT WOULD BE A
CRASH GATE? >> SPEAKER: NOT NECESSARILY.
THE FIRE SERVICES CAN COME IN THE FRONT ENTRANCE.
IT'S JUST TURNING AROUND. AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WITH STAFF ABOUT THAT AND THE QUESTION WAS WELL, WHAT IF THAT DOESN'T WORK OUT IN TERMS OF YOUR DRIVEWAY PERMIT WITH FDOT? WE DID AMEND THE MDP TAX TO CLARIFY TO SAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WE'LL PROVIDED A WAY FOR TRIER TRUCKS TO TURN AROUND INSIDE THIS DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT NEEDING TO BACK UP ONTO STATE ROAD SZANY. SO 16.
SO OUR PREFERRED MECHANISM WOULD BE THAT SECOND ACCESS POINT BUT IF NOT THERE WILL BE A TURNAROUND FOR FIRE TRUCKS TO BE
ABLE TO COME IN AND OUT. >> MR. MILLER: YOU MEAN BECAUSE IT'S AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY, IT COULD BE THAT CLOSE TO THE CURB CUT FOR THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE WEST?
>> SPEAKER: YES, THOSE OF THE L. ARE THE KINDS OF ENGINEERING LEVEL DETAILS THAT WE'LL HAVE REFINE AND WORK OUT.
>> MR. MILLER: AND YOUR ONE ACCESS TO THE EAST, THAT'S RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT? SPINCHTS IT IS LEFT IN, RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. SO NO LEFT OUT.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT CAUSES DOT PEOPLE TO TENS UP TENSE UP R SEATS IS THE FULL ACCESS CUTS WHEN YOU EXIT.
YOU HAVE I DO NOT SEEN OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON US-1 ABOUT THEIR EFFORTS TO REDUCE THOSE FULL MEDIAN CUTS ON US-1.
>> MR. MILLER: SO IF ANYBODY WHO IS LIVING IN HERE WAS TWOWRNG IN DOWNTOWN SANTIAGO THEY WOULD TAKE A RIGHT OUT AND GO TO THE CURB CUT NEAR THE EMERGENCY ACCESS AND DO A
U-TURN? >> SPEAKER: YES, THEY WHOF TO DO A U-TURN BECAUSE DOT HAS CONCLUDE THAT HAD U TURNING ARE MUCH SAFER THAN DOING FULL MEDIAN CUTS AND GOING ACROSS
GUIDE BHIES. >> MR. MILLER: THANK YOU.
>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE. I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH APPROVING THIS BE WITH HOLMES BOULEVARD BEING OVERCAPACITY.
HOW MANY GHOST TRIPS ARE OOH THERE?
DO YOU KNOW? >> SPEAKE: I DON'T, BUT IT LOOKED TO ME THAT THE ACTUAL COUNTS ARE HIGH, AND I MEAN, ONE POSSIBLE EXPLANATION IS THAT THE ROAD CAN ACTUALLY HANDLE MORE TRAFFIC THAN THE NUMBER THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AS THE MAXIMUM BY THE COUNTY. IF YOU ARE REPEATED LIE SEEING COUNTS THAT ARE WAY HIGHER THAN THE MAXIMUM, THEN YOU JUST HAVE TO WONDER, WELL, IN ACTUALITY THE ROAD MUST BE ABLE TO HANDLE MORE. IT'S NOT TO SAY WE SHOULDN'T SPEND MONEY TO FIX IT. OBVIOUSLY, THE COUNTY HAS MADE IT ITS TOP LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY TO FUND THIS.
BUT, YEAH, IT IS HIGH. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.
DR. HILSENBECK? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION, GREG. I'VE BEEN ON HOLMES BOULEVARD HEADING SOUTH TO 207 AND I'LL TELL YOU THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THAT BACKS REALLY BAD TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE, SO I'VE SEEN IT. SO THAT'S ANECDOTAL, BUT --
>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. SO AT THIS POINT WE ARE READY
FOR PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS. >> MS. PERKINS: MCCORMICK
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ANARNY. >> SPEAKER: 1R.05 BLACKBERRY LANE, ST. JOHN. SO I STOOD UP AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING AND DID INTRODUCE RICHARD GROSSO, GROSSO'S LETTER AND GAVE THAT TO YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, SO WHAT I'LL TALK ABOUT HERE RELATES TO THINKS HIR AND TO REZONING SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
IT'S A REZONING. SO HERE WE ARE MORE LATER BUT LET'S REMEMBER PAIN, LET'S REMEMBER THESE THREE CASES.
AND SO ONE COULD MAKE A CASE, A GOOD CASE FOR COMPATIBILITY.
WE'VE HEARD THAT. BUT SIMILARLY IS THERE A CASE TO BE MADE FOR TRAFFIC? AND CERTAINLY MR. INGRAM HAS STEPPED QUITE FORWARD TO BRING THE ISSUE OF TRAFFIC OUT FOR US TO CONSIDER. HERE IS WHAT OUR COUNTY PROVIDES. AGAIN, THE IMPACTED DEFICIENT ROADS AND HOW MUCH IT WILL TAKE TO IMPROVE THOSE, HOW MUCH IS IN HAND. THERE'S $33 MILLION CURRENTLY UNFUNDED. WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS LIST.
UNFUNDED WEEK NOT SECURE. AND HOW DOES THAT MATTER TO REZONING? THIS IS WHERE WE GO BACK TO THESE THREE CASES. AND THE CAVEAT HERE HAS BEEN POINTED OUT TO ME THAT PAYNE IS AN AMENDMENT CASE AND HERE SIMILARLY IS AN AMENDMENT CASE SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
PINECREST -- WELL, THEY ALL COME TOGETHER AT THE END, SO HOLD THAT THOUGHT. IN HIS LETTER ATTORNEY HERON DOES SAY THAT THERE ARE TWO KEY BASES FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO PREVENT ADVERSE ROADWAY AND OTHER IMFACTS FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT. HE DOES SAY THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE INDEED REQUIRED TO DENY DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS THAT ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THAT TWO KEY POINTS HERE ARE FIRST YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED, YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO REZONE PROPERTY, AND IN FACT YOU CAN I DIDN'T IF THAT DENIAL IS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO EVEN UNDER REZONING, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A BIG DEAL.
AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR PAYNE AND FOR HERON, BUT THESE WILL COME TOGETHER UNDER A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
EVEN PAYNE SAYS THERE NEEDS TO BE INTERNATIONAL CONSISTENCY IN AN APPLICATION WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
PINECREST SAYS FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH AN ENTIRE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT'S NOT JUST ONE SECTION, 1.25, ET CETERA, IT IS YOUR ENTIRE EXPENSIVE PLAN. AND HERON, THAT NECESSARY FACILITIES WILL BE AVAILABLE. AND THEREFORE WHERE IT DOES MATTER FOR -- I AM SORRY. I WILL BRING UP A125C ONCE AGAIN. THE DEFICIENCY SIS CYST.
AND BASED ON THAT YOU CAN AND SHOULD DENY THIS PROJECT.
>> MR. MATOVINA: DO WE HAVE ANY REBUTTAL?
>> SPEAKER: JUST BRIEFLY, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON. THE STANDARDS OF REVIEW FOR PROPOSED PUD REZONING IN ARTICLE 5 TALK ABOUT HOW YOUR SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT CONCURRENCY. AND WITH REGARDS TO TRANSPORTATION, IT SAYS THAT CONCURRENCY SHOULD BE EVALUATED UNDER ARTICLE 11, WHICH IS THE CONCURRENCY PROGRAM, WHICH INCLUDES THE CERTIFICATES OF CONCURRENCY AS WELL AS THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE CONTRIBUTION PROGRAM.
THE COUNTY HAS THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE PROGRAM AND HAS HAD IT FOR A WHILE AND TO ALLOW DEVELOPERS TO PROCEED BY PAYING THEIR PROPORTIONATE SHARE TO OFFSET THEIR IMPACTS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED BY STATUTE BUT I THINK THE COUNTY WAS DOING IT EVEN BEFORE THEN.
SO UNDER THE STANDARDS OF REVIEW FOR REZONING YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK TO THE CONCURRENCY SYSTEM TO CEASE THE DRASK TRAFFIC IMRAFTS OF A DESM IMPACT FEES OF A DEVELOPMENT.
ALL THAT SAID, I THINK THIS PROJECT IS IN A GOOD POSITION ON THAT SCORE. YOU HAVE WELL OVER 20 LENGTHS.
THERE ARE TWO ARGUABLY FOUR, DEPENDS ON HOW YOU'RE MEASURING IT WITH A RELATIVELY SMALL PROPORTIONATE SHARE THAT'S
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EERNTDZ ONE FIFTH OR ONE TENTH OF THE IMPACT FEES THAT THIS IS GOING TO CONTRIBUTE. YOU DO NOT FIND A LOT OF THOSE, ESPECIALLY RESIDENTIAL ONES NOWADAYS.AS YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY HAS REPEALED TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND DENYING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CAUSES A WHOLE HOST OF ISSUES BEYOND JUST WHETHER IT'S GOING TO SOLVE TRAFFIC. THERE WAS AN EARLIER QUESTION ABOUT WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT, FOOD OR HOUSING, WHICH IS INTERESTING, BUT HOUSING IS PRETTY DARN IMPORTANT.
PRETTY DARN IMPORTANT. AND WE REALLY NEED ALL TYPES, WHETHER IT'S FOR RENT, FOR SALE, BIG, SMALL.
THERE'S A REAL NEED. WHEN THE MEDIAN TIME OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE MARKET IS UNDER 40 DAYS NOW AND THE MEDIAN HOME SALES PRICE IS OVER $500,000, I AM GLAD THAT I'M GETTING OLDER AND DIDN'T JUST START MY CAREER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S TOUGH OUT THERE. SO THANK YOU.
>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.
[Staff Reports]
MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: I MAKE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 22- 22-012020 STATE ROAD PUD BASED
UPON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT. >> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE GOT A MOTION OF APPROVAL BY MS. PERKS. IS THIS STL A SECOND.
SECOND BY MR. PIERRE. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, THAT'S LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES 4 TO 2.
AND SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR ITEMS TO BE PRESENTED.
STAFF REPORTS? >> NOTHING MUCH, MR. CHAIR, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE-- AND I'LL ASK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IF THEY REMEMBER IF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WAS IT BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE JULY FOURTH AND THE HOLIDAY AND THE COMMONNANCYING COMMON CANCELING OF THAT?
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S COME UP YET, NO.
[Agency Reports]
>> MR. CHAIR, SOMETIMES THE BCC OR OFTEN THE BCC DOESN'T HAVE THE BCC MEETING DURING THE JULY 4TH TIME FRAME, AND OFTEN THE PZA FOLLOWS SUIT. WE WILL FOLLOW UP TO FIND OUT THAT. JUST TO GIVE YOU TIME TO CONTEMPLATE ON WHEN IT DOES COME UP AND WE BRING IT UP AGAIN, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO HOLD THAT, IT WOULD BE THE DISWRUL
>> MR. MATOVINA: WAS REALLY EMBARRASSING LAST YEAR WHEN I WAS SITTING HERE ALL BY MYSELF SEVERAL HOURS WAIRGT TO PEOPLE TO SHOW UP. GOT YOU.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND I DOUBT THIS WILL BE FOLLOWED UP ON, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPLEX TOPICS WE DEAL WITH UP HERE THAT ARE COMP PLAN POLICIES, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. I'M NOT A BUILDER OR DEVELOPER.
SO I'VE BEEN UP HERE A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS, SO I'VE BEEN LEARNING ALL THIS ON THE FLY. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY NICE, AND I'M IS YOU GOING MAYBE THIS COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE -- SUGGESTING THIS COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE IT'S TOO LATE FOR ME, TO HAVE A SESSION FROM COUNTY STAFF, AND IT COULD BE A HALF-DAY SESSION, IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THAT LONG, TO GO OVER ALL THE IMPORTANT SALIENT FEATURES THAT ARE IN THE COMP PLAN AND THE LDC AND GIVE US A MUCH BETTER SENSE OF HOW WE ARE TO VIEW THESE THINGS AND WHAT TOOLS ARE AVAILABLE TO US TO DENY OR APPROVE BECAUSE IT'S -- IT'S DIFFICULT TO LOOK THESE THINGS UP. I MEAN, YOU DID GIVE BOOKS WHEN WE JOINED THE PZA OF THE LDC AND THE THE COMP PLAN BUT THAT'S NOT EXACTLY THE NOTEBOOK THAT I REACH FOR OFF THE SHELF FOR BEDTIME READING. SO IT'S REALLY -- IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A STRUGGLE TO LEARN ALL THESE THINGS.
AND IF I WAS AN ATTORNEY, I'D PROBABLY KNOW THESE, BUT I DON'T, AND I JUST LEARN AS I GO, SO IT WOULD HELP ME, BUT MAYBE
SOMEBODY WOULD WANT TO DO THAT. >> SURE.
AND THAT'S A GREAT POINT, AND I THINK A FEW MEETINGS AGO I HAD MENTIONED -- MADE THAT OFFER UP AND KIND OF RECOGNIZING THAT WE'VE HAD SOME CHANGES IN LEADERSHIP OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AND SOME DISCONTINUITIY PUT BUT NONETHELESS THAT OFFER TO NEWER MEMBERS OR MEMBERS THAT WANTED IT.
LIKEWISE, NEW MEMBERS THAT COME IN, WE WILL GIVE AN INTRODUCTION, PROBABLY OFFICE OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT COME SIT DOWN, HERE'S THE BOOKS, BUT HERE'S WHAT YOU LOOK AT, HERE'S SOME GUIDANCE, HERE'S SOME COMMON THINGS, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.
>> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PETER.
>> MS. PERKINS: I ALSO HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ALONG THAT LINE.
>> AND SPECIFICALLY I'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THE APPROVED UNITS
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THAT HAVE BEEN STARTED, WORK PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND NOT FUNDED. I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE A GRASP OF THE AFFECT AREAS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WE ARE WHERE WE HAVE ALL OF THESE APPROVED TO RECEIVE A PROPER PICTURE WHERE WE ARE HEADING AS NEW ITEMS COME BEFORE US.>> MR. MATOVINA: I KNOW WE HAVE A
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