Apr 21, 2022 Planning and Zoning Agency

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>> I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

MADAME PSYCHIATRIST CHAIR, COULD YOU PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC

NOTICE STATEMENT. >> MS. PERKINS:IER.

THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING.

ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TOO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING A CHARACTER SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE AT THE FOYER ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN.

SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF.

THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR THE AGENCY OR THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR'S PEEL RELATING TO THE ITEM BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT

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CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MS. PERKINS.

BEFORE WE GET INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS, FIRST OF ALL, HERE AT THE BOARD LEVEL, ITEMS 1 AND 2, THERE IS A REQUEST, MORE LIKE A DEMAND THAN A REQUEST TO MOVE THOSE TO THE MAY 5, P SEAVMENTA HEARING AND THE REASON IT COULD BE A DEMAND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A REPORT TO VOTE ON THOSE ITEMS SO I'M GOING TO ASK A BOARD MEMBER TO -- PARDON ME? -- I'M GOING TO ASK A BARD MEMBER TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS OR POSTPONE BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS ON THE MAY THE 5TH PLANNING CONSULTING AGENCY

[8. CPA(SS) 2021-21 Pacetti Homestead Property. A request for a Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the Future Land Use Map designation of approximately 25 acres of land from Rural/Silviculture (R/S) to Residential-C (RES-C) with a text amendment limiting the density within the property to three (3) units per acre. The subject property is specifically located at 2400 and 2410 Pacetti Road. ]

MAY 5 PZA HEARING. >> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

THE ANY DISCUSSION, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

SO IT'S 1 AND 2 HAVE BEEN MOVED THOME THE 5TH.

NOW, MS. SMITH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO ITEM 8?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS.

FOR THE RECORD, ELLEN AVERY-SMITH, ROGERS TOWERS 100 WHETSTONE PLACE HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER 8 WHICH IS THE PACETTI HOMESTEAD PROPERTY.

THIS IS A COMPANION APPLICATION, IF YOU WILL, TO ADLER CREEK, WHICH THIS BOARD HEARD THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMOUNT OF ON AND THEN THE PUD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

WE HAVE DELAYED THE PUD BECAUSE WE MAY NEED TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO IT FOR ADLER CREEK.

SINCE THIS IS THE COMPANION, WE WOULD LIKE JUST TO HAVE THIS CONTINUED TO A DATE UNCERTAIN AND JOINT BACK UP WITH THE ADLER CREEK PUD TO GO FORWARD TO -- BACK TO THIS TOWARD BOARD AND THEN TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION AT A AT A LATER DATE. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST FOR ITEM NUMBER 8 TO BE CONTINUED TO A DATE UNCERTAIN.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE BOARD.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT SORT OF CHANGES YOUR CONTEMPLATING.

>> SPEAKER: WELL, AS YOU WILL RECALL FOR ADLER CREEK, WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FACT THAT ONE OF THE ROAD, 2209 AND

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: I MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 8 ON TO A

TIME UNCERTAIN. >> MR. MATOVINA: WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS. SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.

LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. SO THAT PASSES.

THAT ITEM HAS BEEN CONTINUED. NOW, BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, JUST BECAUSE WE CONTINUE THOSE ITEMS DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T COME UP AND COMMENT ON THEM AT THIS TIME.

YOU CAN COME UP AND COMMENT ON ANYTHING THAT WILL BE HEARD TODAY OR NOT HEARD TODAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON EACH OF THE OTHER REMAINING FIVE

[3. MINMOD 2022-06 New Twin Creeks PUD. Request for a Minor Modification to the Twin Creeks PUD (Ordinance 2006-3, as amended) to add Big Box Retailers and Home Improvement Centers as a permitted commercial use on Parcel 8.]

AND I WOULD ASK THE AGENCY MEMBERS IF THERE'S ANY SPART COMMUNICATION TO BE DECLARED. EXPART COMMUNICATION.

>> DR. HILSENBCK: I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL THE OTHER DAY FROM ELLEN AVERY-SMITH, BUT I DIDN'T RETURN IT.

YOU TEXTED HER BACK THAT IF I HAD ANY SUN STANDTIVE QUESTIONS, I'D GET BACK WITH HER PEANCH I ALSO HAD A SMALLER CONVERSATION

WITH MS. AVERY ARRIVE AVERY-. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. MILLER.

>> MR. MILLER: I HAD I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH

MS. SMITH TWO DAYS AGO. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PETER.

>> MS. PERKINS: I HAD A VOICE >> MR. PETER: I HAD A VOICE MESSAGE FROM MS. SMITH BUT WASN'T ABLE TO CONNECT WITH HER PERCENTAGE OF I RECEIVED A VOICE MAIL MESSAGE FROM MS. SMITH ON TUESDAY BUT WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT IT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. MCCORMICK? OKAY. MS. SMITH AND I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION BRIGHT AND EARLY MONDAY MORNING, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A MINOR MODIFICATION AND I THINK SHE'S GOING TO SHOW US A FEW THINGS ABOUT MINOR MODIFICATIONS

TODAY. >> AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS. BY THE WAY, DR. MCCORMICK, I DID LEAVE YOU A VOICE MAIL, TOO, YOU PROBABLY DELETED ME AGAIN.

SO FOR FOR THE RECORD ELLEN AVERY-SMITH, ROGERS TOWERS, 100 WHETSTONE PLACE, ST. AUGUSTINE. TODAY I'M HERE WITH JOHN KINZ FROM TWIN CREEKS DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATES WHICH IS THE MASTER DEFERLT TWIN CREEKS DEVELOPMENT REGIONAL IMPACT OR DRI, AND THE NEW TWIN CREEKS PUD. AND SO THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH IT, IT LITERALLY LIES BETWEEN US-1 TO THE WEST -- I MEAN, TO THE EAST AND I-95 TO THE WEST.

YOU SEE IN THIS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH THE CRYSTAL LAGOON WHICH IS IN THE BEACH WALK PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN YOU SEE CREEKSIDE DOWN IN THIS AREA AND BEACON LAKE HERE WHICH IS IN A COMPANION PROJECT, IF YOU WILL.

THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY THAT'S LOCATED RIGHT IN THIS AREA SO THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS MIXED USE DISTRICT. AND THEN THE ZONING, OF COURSE, IS PUD LOCATED WITHIN THE NEW TWIN CREEKS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. FOR A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, IN 2005 WAS WHEN THE COUNTY COMMISSION APPROVED THE DRI AND PUD FOR THE ENTIRETY OF OF TWIN CREEKS.

BACK IN 2014-15 THERE WAS A DRI DIVORCE, SO TWIN CREEKS WAS ESSENTIALLY SPLIT INTO TWO, AND IT'S BEEN OPERATING AS TWO DIFFERENT DRIS AND PUDS SINCE THAT DATE.

FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, WHICH -- THAT IS SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION WEEK THE DEVELOPER HAS -- AND, OF COURSE, THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY 2200 2200 RESIL UNITS AND 3.7 MILLION SQUARE FEET NON-RESIDENTIAL FACE.

FOR MITIGATION, THE DEVELOPER HAS DRIVEN DOWN COUNTY ROAD 210 THAT IS A SIXTH LANED A PORTION OF COUNTY ODE ROAD 210 FROM THE BRIDGE TO US-1 THROUGH THE DRI PROPERTY.

THERE ARE TRAFFIC SIGNALS OUT THERE NOW.

THEY HAVE DEDICATED A THAN THE E SCHOOL SITES.

ONE IS THE HIGH SCHOOL SITE WHERE THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL IS BEING EXRUNGTD ONE IS THE K THROUGH 8 SITE DOWN THE ON SOUTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT I'LL SHOW YOU THE LOCATION OF IN A PERSISTENT MINUTE. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY CALLED A

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THE THE SCHOOL BOARD. THE PURPOSE OF THIS MINOR MODIFICATION SIMPLY DEALS WITH WHAT'S CALLED PARCEL 8, AND I'LL SHOW THAT YOU LOCATION IN A MINUTE.

IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 210, AND THE MINOR MODIFICATION IS SIMPLY TO ALLOW BIG BOX RAIRLS AND HOME IMPROVEMENT STORES WITHIN THAT PARCEL 8, SO YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT MIGHT BE GOING THERE. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO JUST DOING MIN MINISTERIAL THINGS OF UPDATING THE PHASING SCHEDULE TO REVERENCE LEGISLATIVE EXPENSES THAT EXISTING RESTAURANT TENSIONS THAT ARE PERMITTED UNDER FLA STLIEWT. I REFERENCED HERE IS COUNTY ROAD 210. I CALL THIS THE DOG WILL GO OR ALTERNATE 210. THE HIGH SCHOOL SITE OVER HERE.

THAT'S WHERE THE HIGH SCHOOL IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

YOU HAVE TO 8 THROUGH GO SITE AND THE PARK SITE AND THE BUS MAINTENANCE SITE ON LOCATED OVER IN THIS AREA.

YOU SEE IF FLEX INDUSTRIAL HERE, WETLAND STRAND, AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S PARCEL 8. SO AGAIN, BUFFERED BY 210, BEACH WALK BOULEVARD, WHICH WRAPS AROUND THE ACTIVITY CENTER WHERE THE CRYSTAL LAGOON IS, AND THEN BUFFERING 2 THIS WETLAND AREA FROM THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE BACK.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD THE USES OF BIG BOX AND HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE BECAUSE LITERALLY THERE'S A CONTRACT FOR A HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE TO GO THERE.

SO THIS JUST RECAPS THE PUD MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH HOW MANY SQUARE FEET AND RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE PERMITTED, LIKE 1AL MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL, 662,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE, 120 HOTEL ROOMS, 1100 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, 1100 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, AND 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF FLEX INDUSTRIAL.

AND THAT, BY THE WAY, IS COMING ALONG QUITE NICELY, TOO, SO YOU'LL BE SEEING A MORE FLEX INDUSTRIAL COMING TO THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY SHORTLY. SO WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY IS THIS A MINOR MODIFICATION, THE REAL -- THE SUMMARY REASON IS BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY ADDING, NOT SUBTRACTING OR CHANGING, ADDING TWO LAND USES TO ONE PARCEL.

THAT'S WHY IT'S A MINOR MODIFICATION, NOT A MAJOR MODIFICATION. BUT IF YOU LOOK ON THIS SLIDE, I'VE GIVEN -- THIS SLIDE AND THE NEXT SLIDE GIVE YOU THE CODE CRA 234 BOLD, AND -- THE CORRODE CRITERIA IN BOLD AND SO THEY TALK ABOUT IT HAS TO BE IN CORNED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT IMEEPPED CHECKED THAT BOX.

WE'RE NO REDUCING THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES P WE'RE NOT RELOCATING OR ADDING USES. WE'RE NO REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE OR RECREATION. WE'RE THE NO CHANGING ANY ACCESS POINT FOR SPHRKS OR PEDESTRIANS. WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE DENIES OR INTENSITY OF ANY USE. WE'RE NOT CHANGING STRUCTURE HEIGHT. WE'RE NO DECREASING YARDS.

AND WE'RE NO INCREASING ANY AREA ALLOCATED TO ANY LAND USE TYPE.

THEN GOING ON, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING THAT INCREASES TRAFFIC GENERATION. AGAIN, THESE ARE ENTITLEMENTS OR DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THAT ARE ALREADY EMBEDDED IN THE DRI AND PUD. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE LOCATIONS OF ANY USES. AND THEREFORE, THIS IS NOT A MINOR -- I MEAN AB YOU MAJOR MODIFICATION.

IT'S A MINOR MODIFICATION. STOW THAT IS OUR PRESENTATION.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM HERE AND MR. KINZEY IS HERE IF WE NEED TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK HISTORIANS SO OUT OF YOUR 3.7 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL SPACE, IS THIS ADDING ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THAT OR IS THAT COVERINGS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE? AND YOUR ASKING FOR GREATER THAN

THE 3.7. >> SPEAKER: NO, WE'RE JUST ADDING THE USES. SO IT WILL BE FROM THE RETAIL SERVICE BUCKET OR THE OFFICE BUCKET, AS THE CASE MAY BE, THAT ARE IN THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. SO NO ADDITIONALLION THE

3.7 MILLION ALREADY APPROVED. >> SPEAKER: CORRECT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUHES? ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO SPEAKER CARDS.

THEN WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

[4. REZ 2022-01 North Orange Place. Request to rezone approximately .92 acres of land from Residential, Single-Family (RS-3) to Workforce Housing (WH). The subject parcel is located at 781 N. Orange Street.]

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: I MOVE TO APPROVE MINOR MOD TWT 22-06 NEW TWIN CREEKS PUD BASED UPON SIX FINDINGINGS OF FACT AND SEVEN CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED FOR IN

THE STAFF REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY MS. .

SECONDLY BY MR. PETER. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES.

MS. TAYLOR, I THINK YOU HAVE THE NEXT TWO ITEMS. DOES NUB HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE ON ITEM

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NUMBER 4? >> MR. PIERRE: I DROVE BY THE

AREA. >> MR. .

>> SPEAKER: ARE YOU READY FOR ME?

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE ARE. >> SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON, KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAGOSSA STREET.

I'M HERE FOR NORTH ORANGE PLACE REZONING.

AND WITH ME IS BRIAN MCMANSION.

HE'S ONE OF THE PARTNERS THAT IS PLANNING TO DO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY 3 TO WORKFORCE HOUSING. GETTING KIND OF USED TO A FEW OF THESE. THE LOCATION IS IN WEST AUGUSTINE. IT'S NORTH OF VOLUSIA STREET, OF NORTH VOLUSIA SPHREET, NORTH OF KING STREET WHICH IS DOWN IN HERE. HOLMES BOULEVARD.

WE'VE GOT MURRAY MIDDLE SCHOOL. AND WE'VE GOT THE OTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME.

THIS IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF JOSIAH STREET WHICH KIND OF GOES ACROSS AS YOU CAN SEE AND GOES TO VOLUSIA STREET, NOT NORTH VOLUSIA BUT VOLUSIA STREET AND ORANGE, NORTH ORANGE STREET.

AND JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU, I DID THE ONE FOR HABITAT WHICH I'M SURE YOU ALL REMEMBER NOT TOO LONG AGO, SO THAT WAS FOUR OF THESE PARCELS THAT WERE 200 BY 200 FEET.

I MEAN, SIX OF THEM. THIS IS ONE OF THEM.

SO THERE'S JUST KIND OF AREAS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THIS KIND OF HAS HAPPENED. SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR NEIGHBORHOOD, VERY SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT AREA.

IT IS WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL D WHICH ALLOWS FOR UP TO 13 UNITS PER ACRE, SO THERE'S NO DENSITY BONUS BEING REQUESTED.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST OF THE ADJACENT LAND USE IS EITHER RESIDENTIAL D OR C. THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC, WHICH ARE THE SCHOOLS AND PARKS, AND THEN WE GET OVER TO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. ZONING IS ALSO PRIMARILY RS3 JUST LIKE IN THE OTHER ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT.

THERE IS SOME RS2 AND OPEN RURAL THAT ARE LARGER SECTIONS THERE.

BUT BASICALLY -- AND THEN JUST A SCATTERED NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ONES. SO THIS GROUP PROVIDE AND RESIDS VERY SMALL UNIT DEVELOPMENT, SEVEN LOTS, AND FOUR OF THOSE LOTS WOULD BE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND MEET THOSE CRITERIA AND THREE WOULD BE DUPLEX LOTS FOR THE -- TO ALLOW FOR THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THEY ARE PLANNING THE SAME TYPE AS THE OTHER, MID-200S TO 300S.

OBVIOUSLY THE FOUR SINGLE-FAMILY, THEY'RE DESIGNATING THAT THE FOURTH SINGLE FAMILY HAD MEET THEIR 40%, SO THOSE WILL MEET THOSE $240,000 CAP.

THEY DO HAVE SEWER AND WATER. THEY'VE TALKED WITH THE CITY AND GOTTEN THEM TO HELP -- WELL, THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, BUT EXTEND WATER AND SEWER, SEWER CAPACITY TO THIS AREA.

THERE ALREADY WAS WATER. SO SAME CRITERIA AS BEFORE.

THE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HAVE TO MEET A 35-FOOT MIN MINIMUM LOT WIDTH AND A 3500 SQUARE FOOT AREA.

THERE ARE CERTAIN SETBACKS. THE DUPLEX HOMES ARE JUST LIKE THE TOWNHOMES THAT WERE IN THE SPANISH FOREST ONE, SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM 14-FOOT LOT WIDTH, AND THAT WOULD BE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL UNIT IF YOU WERE TO SELL THEM SEPARATELY.

AND THE INTENTION THESE ARE ALL FOR SALE PROJECTS AND PRODUCTS.

WE DON'T HAVE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY NUMBERS.

BY THE WAY, THOSE ARE TAKING BASICALLY MONTHS.

I JUST TALKED TO SOMEBODY YESTERDAY THAT NEEDS -- THAT'S HAD THEIR APPLICATION IN FOR SEVEN MONTHS, SO WE'RE ALL KIND OF SITTING WAITING, SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT, BUT DID I ESTIMATES BASED ON IT, THAT'S ABOUT EIGHT STUDENTS, AND ONE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS AREA IS YOU CAN WALK TO MURRAY MIDDLE SCHOOL AND WEBSTER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

THIS SCHOOL I COULDN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF A MINUTE AGO.

THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU A GENERAL THING, AND IT'S A LITTLE LIGHT ON HERE, BUT THIS IS NORTH ORANGE AND THIS IS JOSIAH.

AND WE'RE PROVIDING A RETENTION AREA FOR IT, WHICH YOU WOULDN'T DO IF YOU USED THE EXISTING LOTS AS THEY'RE AROUND THERE, AND AGAIN WE'RE EXTENDING THE WATER AND SEWER.

THIS JUST BRINGS IT IN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER SO THAT YOU CAN SEE.

THESE LOTS ARE GOING TO BE ABOUT 37 FEET WIDE.

AND A LITTLE LESS DEPTH. BUT THEY ALL MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THE DUPLEX,

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JUST SOME PICTURES. THIS IS THE CORNER OF JOSIAH AND ORANGE. THAT IS THE SITE RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS ACROSS FROM IT LOOKING SOUTH OVER SOUTHEAST.

THIS IS JOSIAH STREET SO THIS IS THE NOIRTSDZ BOUNDARY OF IT.

YOU CAN SEE SOME HOMES BEING BUILT HERE.

THEY'RE BEING BUILT ON THOSE EXISTING LOTS.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF SEWER SO THEY'RE BEING BUILT WITH SEPTIC TANKS, BUT WE TRIED, COULDN'T GET TO THEM SOON ENOUGH. THIS IS TO THE NORTH.

THIS IS AKINS STREET WHERE NORTH ORANGE COMES IN, AND I KIND OF TOOK SOME PICTURES UP HERE JUST TO SHOW YOU THE NEIGHBORHOOD, KIND OF WHAT IS BUILT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THE KIND OF THAT HAS BEEN WORKING.

THIS IS LOOKING FOR FROM AKIN STREET DOWN TO OUR SITE.

SO YOU GET A FEEL FOR IT. THIS IS YOU JOSIAH STREET AND THAT'S GOING EAST, AND THAT'S WHAT TAKES YOU TO THE INTERSECTION WITH VOLUSIA AT THE ROUND ABOUT P SO THE REZONING IS TO PROVIDE FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT LIKE I SAID WITH 2092 ACRES. CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER, AND AGAIN THE WORKFORCE HOUSING JUST TO CHANGE THAT AND BE ABLE TO DO THESE, THE TYPES OF UNITS THAT WE NEED UNDER THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THE THERE'S REALLY NUMEROUS OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA WITH VERY SIMILAR.

THIS MAKES IT CLOSE TO ALL THE EMPLOYMENT AREAS.

THERE'S SCHOOLS. SO WE FEEL LIKE IT'S A VERY CENTRAL LOCATION. AND THE ZONING AROUND IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND SO-- AND MULTI-FAMILY, SO THIS IS REASONABLE FOR THAT AS WELL.

THE USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.

IT'S SIMILAR IN USE TO THE INTENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. AND IT WILL PROVIDE SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING,AL ALBEIT FOUR UNITS, IT'S DIL STILL SOMETHING, AND KIND OF DOT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE'RE HOPING FORE A FEW MORE OF THESE. CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, POLICIES AND OBJECTIVE OF THE COMP PLAN AND WILL MEET THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS, AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING A -- WE'RE ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING 2022H.

[5. REZ 2022-02 Banner Elk. Request to rezone approximately 3.39 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Commercial Warehouse (CW) to allow for commercial and light industrial uses.]

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS, SECOND BY MR. PETER. LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

THAT ITEM PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 5, IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE FOR ITEM NUMBER 5? SEEING NONE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AGAIN, MS. TAYLOR.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN.

KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAGOSSA STREET.

AND ON THIS PROJECT, THIS IS BANNER EBLG REZONING AND WITH ME IS HENRY GREEN. SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER HIM AS BEING ON PLANNING & ZONING FOR A WHILE.

THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON NORTHWOOD DRIVE, AND THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE MAY REMEMBER REZONING THE ORIGINAL PORTION OF THIS NORTHWOOD INDUSTRIAL PARK A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.

IT IS WEST OF HOLME'S BOULEVARD SO WE'VE MOVED OVER AND WE'VE MOVED DOWN A LITTLE BIT. AND THERE'S THE DAVIS INDUSTRIAL PARK IN THE BACK HERE AND THEN INDUSTRIAL USES AS YOU GO ACROSS THE ROAD. AND, OF COURSE, INDUSTRIAL ALONG HOLMES AS WELL. AND THEN THERE'S SOME INFILL.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT KIND OF BACK UP TO THESE. THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY USES, AGAIN, ARE THE DAVIS INDUSTRIAL PARK.

WE'VE GOT LINDALE ACRES WHICH IS THE BRIAN WAY TO THE SOUTH.

THAT COMES FROM CENTURY BOULEVARD, WHICH COMBS OFF LIGHTSEY ROAD WHICH COMES OFF STATE ROAD 207 SO THAT'S QUITE A WAYS TO GET BACK IN THERE. THEY HAVE A NICE UNIQUE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THERE. THIS IS A LARGE RETENTION AREA

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JUST TO LOOK AT THE ZONING, WE DID THE CW ZONING ON THE ORIGINAL NORTHWOOD WHICH WOULD BE HERE.

AS WELL, THERE'S IW IN THE AREA. THIS IS RMH, SO RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME TO THE SOUTH. THERE'S A LOT OF OR.

KIND OF JUST A MIXTURE. AND I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A HELPFUL SLIDE JUST OVER THE AERIAL TO SHOW THE PROPERTY, AND THE PROPERTY IS IN THE SOLID LINE.

THE NORTHWOOD INDUSTRIAL PARK IS IN THE DOTTED AREA.

AND THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF. AND THE IDEA IS TO USE THAT AS ACCESS TO THIS REMAINING PIECE. AND JUST TO GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW IT TUCKS IN NEXT TO THE DAVIS PARK BUT IT ALSO TUCKS INTO THAT LITTLE BIT OF NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SUBDIVISION THERE AS WELL.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 225 FEET ACROSS THE TOP.

IT'S 3 ACRES. IT'S NOT THAT LARGE.

470 FEET OF THAT IS SHARED WITH THE DAVIS INDUSTRIAL PARK SO THERE'S JUST THESE TWO AREAS DOWN IN HERE, THE 225 AND THE 172 THAT ARE IN THE BOTTOM THERE.

JUST SOME PICTURES, NORTHWOOD. THIS IS THE PARK.

THIS IS KIND OF LOOKING TOWARDS HOLMES BOULEVARD.

SAME THING, JUST COMING UP A LITTLE BIT JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS TURNG AROUND AND LOOKING THE OTHER WAY, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO THE WEST SIDE. AND COMING UP ON THE SITE THAT IS THE BEGINNING OF THIS ONE, YOU CAN'T SEE THIS ONE FROM HERE, BUT HENRY PROVIDE ME WITH A COUPLE PICTURES TO SHOW YOU THIS SITE, AND THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE SITE.

WHEN HENRY AND STEVE DID THIS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THEY HAD PERMIT TO REMOVE A LOT OF BAD MATERIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WAS GOING ON WHEN WE WEREN'T REZONING, SO THEY'VE BEEN KEEPING THIS AREA MANICURED OVER THE YEARS AS WELL.

THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE ON THAT CORNER THAT ARE ON THAT SOUTH AND WEST BOUNDARY THAT ARE EXISTING IN THERE, AND SO IT MAKES A NICE BUFFER.

AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE ON THE AERIAL AS WELL.

SO JUST TO AGAIN KIND OF BRING THINGS INTO WHERE THEY ARE, THE RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOME MORE PICTURES.

AND SO THIS IS ACTUALLY IN THE SUBDIVISION.

THIS IS BRIAN WAY, AND THIS IS ON THE CORNER, SO THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT AND THE HOUSE THAT'S KIND OF BURIED BEHIND THERE ARE THE TWO HOUSES THAT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO OUR SITE.

THAT'S A VIEW OF THAT HOUSE TO THE -- ON THAT SIDE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE. AND ON THE LEFT SIDE THAT'S THE OTHER. AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE VEGETATION, THE TREES AND THE THINGS IN THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE THAT COMES DOWN IN THE MIDDLE, TOO, THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THEIR PROPERTIES. THIS IS KIND OF LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD. BRIAN, THE PLACE WHERE WE WOULD BE, WOULD BE UP IN HERE. THIS IS ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME SO THEY DO SOME CAR REPAIR TYPE THINGS BUT MOSTLY IT'S A QUIET RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

COMING BACK OUT, THIS IS GOING TO DAVIS INDUSTRIAL PARK, AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN PICTURES. THAT'S ENTERING INTO THAT AND THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS WELL.

THEY HAVE A BIG RETENTION POND THAT BACKS UP TO THAT COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO IT REALLY IS A -- THE ZONING IS A SIMILAR INTENSITY TO PROPERTIES IN THE ORE, AND THAT'S CW, AS YOU KNOW, IS A REFLECT THAT THEY NEED AND -- FLEXIBILITY THAT THEY NEED AND THEY'D LIKE TO CONTINUE AND FINISH THAT OFF AS THEIR INDUSTRIAL PARK.

THEY DO HAVE TO MEET THE BUFFERING STANDARD, AND WHEN YOU DO CW YOU YOU MEET THE INDUSTRIAL STANDARD WHICH IS THE 30 FEET C SCREENING, SO THAT'S THE HIGHER INTENSITY SCREENING AS WELL. SO WE DO FEEL IT'S COMPATIBLE.

IT'S GOING TO BE USING THE ACCESS.

SIMILAR AROUND IT. AGAIN, WE'VE GOT TO LARGE RETENTION POND ON ONELE BIG SIDE.

AND AGAIN, THOSE HOMES IN THE SUBDIVISION, THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY'VE BEEN SHARING ALONG THE WITH DAVIS INDUSTRIAL PARK

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HENRY AND I ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. TAYLOR? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? THEN WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MS. PERKINS. STAFF.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

MIKE ROBERSON. I NEED TO ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION. MS. TAYLOR, THERE'S AN INDIVIDUAL WHO SUBMITTED AND THE AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE IT IN FRONT THEM, SOME CONCERN. HE LIVE AT ONE OF THE SITES THAT A BUTTS THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.

HIS NAME IS MR. HALIT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S HERE.

HE DID EXPRESS CONCERN. AND YOU HAD INDICATED, IF YOU COULD BRING UP AN AERIAL IMAGE. SO HE WOULD BE THAT TRIANGLE SITE AT THE CORNER BRIAN WAY THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE SITE, THE SUBJECT SITE, WHICH WOULD BE THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

>> NO, HE'S RIGHT HERE. I LOOKED HIM UP.

1600 BRIAN LANE. GIVE ME A SECOND.

LEE SAYS HIS ADDRESS IS 1660 BRIAN WAY, WHICH WOULD BE THAT GORNEY, TRIANGULAR LOT. I THINK YOU SHOWED OIT AERIAL OF

O. OR OUR YOUR PHOTOS. >> THIS ONE?

>> YES, MA'AM. SO HE HAD EXPRESSED CONCERNS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. SO IF YOU COULD MAYBE REEMPHASIZE THE BUFFERING STANDARDS AND WHAT MIGHT BE DONE THERE TO HELP MAKE IT MORE COMPATIBLE FOR HIM.

>> SPEAKER: SURE. AS A SAID, THERE'S A 30-FOOT C BUFFER WHICH REQUIRES THE -- WHICH REQUIRES TREES, LANDSCAPING, TREES AND ALSO A WALL ALONG THAT BOUNDARY OR SOMETIMES THEY'VE DONE A FENCE BUT USUALLY THE CODE SAYS A WALL. SO THE ATTEMPT IS GOING TO BE TO LEAVE ANY OF THOSE THAT ARE ON OUR SITE, SOME OF THOSE TREES THAT YOU SAW AS A BUFFER ARE ON THEIR SITES, ON THOSE TWO SITES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY -- AGAIN, WE'LL CERTAINLY MEET THAT STANDARD. AND I DID -- ONE THING ELSE I DID BRING, THIS IS JUST -- THIS IS THE NORTHWOOD INDUSTRIAL PARK, SO IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT IT, I MEANT TO PUT THIS IN THE -- THIS WOULD BE NORTHWOOD DRIVE HERE.

AND BASICALLY HOW THEY'RE BUILDING THESE, THIS WOULD BE AN EXTENSION OF DOING THAT, SO YOU CAN SEE THEY PUT THER RAFT BUILDS THERE AND THEY PUT THEIR PARKING IN BETWEEN AND THEIR ACCESS TO THEIR BUILDS. SO NOT THAT THIS ISN'T A PUD SO I'M NOT TELLING YOU THAT GUARANTEEING THIS, BUT THAT IS THE INTENT OF WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO, SO BESIDES THE 30-FOOT BUFFER, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE ACTIVITY AND THE NOISE AND THINGS THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE FRONT ACTIVITY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY. BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A

[6. REZ 2022-03 Cooksey Commercial. A request to rezone approximately 17.5 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) and Commercial Highway Tourism (CHT) to Commercial Highway Tourism (CHT) to provide for the same zoning district over the entirety of the site. ]

>> MS. PERKINS: I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING 2022-02 BANNER ELK BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: FLOATION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND IN SECOND BY MR. MILLER.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. OKAY.

THAT MOTION PASSES. AND NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6 ON THE AGENDA, MR. GARCIA.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE ON ITEM

NUMBER 6? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'VE DRIVEN BY THE SITE NUMEROUS TIMES BUT I DIDN'T DO IT SINCE WE SAW THIS

PARTICULAR ITEM COME UP. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, PZA. MY NAME IS MAX GARCIA FROM MATTHEW DESIGN GROUP 7 WALDO STREET I'M REPRESENTATIVING THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY.

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TO THE SOUTH IS THE MILITARY MEADOWS SUBDIVISION.

AND THEN TO THE EAST IS A CHURCH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE REZONED. IT IS MOSTLY CHG CURRENTLY, APPROXIMATELY 14.5 ACRES, AND WE ARE REQUESTING TO REZONE THE FOUR PARCELS UP HERE THAT ARE CURRENTLY OR, AND THEN A SLIVER BACK HERE. THIS IS 3.5.

IT'S MORE PROPERLY 3 ACRES. BUT THE POINT IS TO, ONE, CREATE OUT-PARCELS ALONG THE STATE ROUTE 16 FRONTAGE AS WELL AS MAKE A COMPLETE SITE TO HAVE FULL CHT IN THE BACK HERE TO MOVE DESIGN CONSTRAINTS AND MAKE A MORE COMPLETE LEGAL DESCRIPTION. THE SLIR WAS CREATED BY THE RESULT OF A REZONING BACK IN 2005.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY IT WAS LEFT OUT, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO AMEND THAT BY CREATING A MORE FULL PARCEL WITH REGULAR ZONING DESIGNATION ACROSS THE SPHWIERT OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE SITE. ENTIRETY OF THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE MIXED USE DISTRICT. ACROSS THE STREET IS ALSO MIXED USE DISTRICT, HOWEVER IT IS THE 12-MILE CONSERVATION AREA.

AND THEN TO THE WEST AND EAST IS STILL MIXED USE DISTRICT WHICH ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES.

THIS IS AN IDEA OF WHAT THE OUT-PARCELS MAY LOOK LIKE.

PART OF THIS SOLUTION WOULD BE TO MOVE THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY THAT ENTERS THE MANY CA GROUND AWAY FROM CIRCLE DRIVE AND AS A RESULT WOULD HOPEFULLY CREATE A NEW CENTRAL DRIVE TO SUPPORT THE NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS NO INTEREST IN PARTICULAR USES ON THOSE NEW OUTPAR SEMMES BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE CHT ZONING DESIGNATION.

AS I MENTIONED, WE WOULD JUST FILL IN THAT BACK SLIVER.

AS SEEN HERE. IT WOULD JUST BECOME PART OF THE LARGER SITE. THE INTENTION OF WHICH IS TO, LIKE I MENTIONED, CREATE A FOUR LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND BRING THE FULL SITE IN CHT ZONING. THE ACHE RAFNLG THESE OUT-PARCELS WOULD COME TO APPROXIMATELY 2.5.

AND PART OF THE CENTRAL ACCESS LANE IS TO EXPLIE WITH FDOT REQUIREMENT AS FAR AS SEPARATION FROM OTHER ACCESS LANES.

THERE ARE MANY ENTRANCES HERE ALONG AS WELL THAT WE WOULD HOPE TO REMOVE. SO HERE'S THE SITE.

HERE'S PLEASURE LANE. IT HAS A CONCRETE APRON BUT THEN IT HAS SOME SORT OF COMPRESSED MATERIAL GOING BACK FARTHER.

AS I MENTIONED, IT IS A PRIVATE LANE, AND WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 20-FOOT COMPATIBILITY BUFFER.

ANY FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE TO THE HOUSE BACK HERE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SITE IS CLEAR WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW LARGER TREES.

HERE'S THE SITE MOVING MORE TO THE EAST, MORE CENTRAL TO THE SITE. THE CENTRAL ACEVEDO LANE WOULD COME ABOUT HERE -- THE CENTRAL ACCESS LANE WOULD COME ABOUT HERE. FOR THE PURPOSE OF NOT CENTERING TO RELOCATE THE MAIN STROWCHTS CAMPGROUND SITE AS IS AND ALSO TO MAKE IT MORE CENTRAL TO THE SITE.

ALSO, PRETTY VACANT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW TREES AS WEL.

AND THEN LAST HERE IS THE ACTUAL SPHRANS AT COOKSEY'S RV CAMPGROUND. THERE IS DRAINAGE ALONG THE FRONT SO THAT CULVERT WOULD HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN ANY FUTURE COMMERCIAL SITE PLANS. AND HERE YOU CAN SEE THE BEGINNING OF CIRCLE LANE DRIVE JUST TO SHOW YOU HOW CLOSE THAT IS. THE SITE DOES ALREADY HAVE -- I WILL GO BACK A FEW -- THIS SITE ALREADY DOES HAVE FRONTAGE IN THE MEANS OF STATE ROUTE 16. IT HAS A TURN LANE THAT STARTSZ NEXT TO PLEASURE LANE AND CONTINUES ALL THE WAY TO CIRCLE DRIVE. THIS ALSO HAS AN EMERGING LANE NORTH OF -- SORRY -- WEST OF -- EAST OF CIRCLE DRIVE AS WELL.

SO THE APRON COULD COME OUT TO WHERE THAT TURN LANE IS CURRENTLY. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF TRAFFIC, THE CURRENT STATUS IS CRITICAL IN THAT IT IS LESS THAN 100% AT ABOUT 94%. WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER OF AVAILABILITY FROM THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT.

WE CREATED ARBITRARY VALUES FOR WHAT THE COMMERCIAL OUT-PARCELS MIGHT CREATE, PLUS THE POTENTIAL OF EXPANDING THE CAMPSITE WITH

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WE ESTIMATE THAT AT ABOUT 1% TO THAT LINK STATUS, WOULD NOT BRING IT INTO A DEFICIENT STATUS BUT IT WOULD STILL BE PART OF THAT CRITICAL CONDITION. HOWEVER STATE ROUTE 16 IS A MATURE ROADWAY THAT HANDLES VEHICLE TRAFFIC ALL DAY AND HAS QUITE A LARGE TRAFFIC LOAD. THE CURRENT SURFACE VOLUME IS ABOUT 5600 TRIPS. THIS PROPOSED REZONING IS COMPLIANT WITH THE MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE POLICIES, AND IT DOES REJECT URBAN SPRAWL BY PROVIDING FOR COMMERCIAL INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND NOT CLEARING ANY NEW ACRES OR CREATING ANY NEW PUBLIC FACILITIES REQUIRED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

WE DO BELIEVE THIS REZONING IS CONSISTENT AND SUITABLE FOR THIS CORRIDOR. WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THIS AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK:, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO POTENTIAL MOVE THE MAIN ENTRANCE FURTHER WEST AWAY FROM CIRCLE DRIVE SO THAT YOU WOULD BE COMPLIANT WITH FDOT REGULATIONS.

COULD YOU JUST QUICKLY ENUMERATE FOR US WHAT SOME OF THOSE REGULATIONS ARE. YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE TOO CLOSE TO THAT PARTICULAR ROAD, CIRCLE DRIVE, SO MOVING IT FURTHER AWAY WOULD BE COMPLIANT. SO COULD YOU PLEASE ENUMERATE.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. THE REQUIREMENT IS ABOUT 200 FEET ALONG ARTERIAL CORRIDORS, SO THIS WOULD BE PUTTING THE ACCESS DRIVE IN RAY MIDDLE SPOT BETWEEN PLEASURE

LANE AND CIRCLE DRIVE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: NOW, LET'S SAY SOMEONE IS GOING TO TURN OUT LEFT OR RIGHT ONTO STATE ROAD 16, YOU SAID THERE WAS A RIGHT TURN LANE ALL ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF YOUR PROPERTY. ARE THEY GOING TO BE TURNING OUT INTO A TURN LANE OR ACROSS A TURN LANE?

>> SPEAKER: IF THEY WERE COMING OUT, IF THEY'RE APPROACHING THE SITE, THEY WOULD TAKE THE RIGHT TURN LANE IN.

IF THEY WERE TAKING THE RIGHT TURN OUT, THEY WOULD GO RIGHT ONTO 16, ASSUMING THEY WEREN'T LIVING OFF CIRCLE DRIVE WHERE THEY COULD JUST GO DOWN THAT WAY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THEY STILL HAVE TO CROSS THAT RIGHT TURN

LANE. >> SPEAKER: THEY WOULD HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRAFFIC IN THE TURN LANE, YES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHERES REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? THEN WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2022-03 COOKSEY COMMERCIAL, A REQUEST

[7. PUD 21-26 Mivo Multi-Family Development PUD. Request to rezone approximately 15.7 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow for a maximum 204 multifamily residential dwelling units. The project is located at the intersection of US 1 South and Watson Ro]

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM MS. PERKINS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PIERRE. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES 7-0.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 7, IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION

TO DECLARE FOR ITEM NUMBER 7? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'VE DRIVEN BY THE SITE NUMEROUS TIMES BOTH ON US-1 AND WATSON ROAD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: 11:30 ALL RIGHT.

MS. KNIGHTING. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> SPEAKER: HELLO. THANK YOU.

I AM BLAIR HITIT INNING KIMLEY OWNER 12 SCFN 4 GRANT FUNDING WAY PARKWAY WEST SUITE 2 TRE 5 RO JACKSONVILLE 32258.

WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT PUD 2126.

MIVO MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT PUD.

YOU CAN TELL WE'RE NO VERY CREATIVE WITH OUR PUD NAMES.

AND OUR TEAM HERE, WE HAVE OUR DEVELOPER ANNE PLOFN HOR.

OUR ATTORNEY MICHAEL SNAP. WE HAVE JOE MECCA AND JACK WITH KIMLEY HORNE HORN AND WE HAVE JODI WITH ATLANTA ECOLOGICAL SERVICES HERE TODAY. AND THE LOCATION OF OUR PROJECT IS ALONG US-1 AND WATSON ROAD ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER IN SOUTH PORTION OF THE COUNTY. AND HERE'S A QUICK AERIAL TO SHOW YOU THE LOCATION. AS YOU CAN SEE WE ARE AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE US-CORRIDOR.

AND HERE IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY CHAT ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE COUNTY IS THEIR INTEND GROWTH, HER E. WHERE THEY ANTICIPATE GROWTH,ER WHERE THEY WANT GROWTH, WHERE THEY DON'T WANT GROWTH, AND FOR THE MIX USE DISTRICTS THAT IS WHERE THE INTEND GROATH TO BE.

THAT'S THE MOST INTENSE LAND USE IN THE COUNTY, AND ON THIS CORNER WE ARE HERE IN THE MIXED USE DISTRICT.

THE MOST INTENSE ALLOWS 13 UNITS PER ACRE IT.

ALSO ALLOWS INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES WITH A FLOOR AREA RATIO OF UP TO 70%. AND HERE'S OUR EXISTING ZONING

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WE ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. WE'RE ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL INTENSE. WE'RE ADJACENT TO ALL -- A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ZONINGS WAS WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT THE MIXED USE INTEND, WAS TO HAVE A VARIETY OF USES TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER. SO WHAT ARE WE HERE FOR? WE'RE HERE FOR A PUD ON 15.7 ACRES FOR 204 MULTI-UNIT MARKET RATE LUXURY APARTMENTS. I DID PROVIDE A NEWS ARTICLE THAT CAME OUT THIS MORNING ABOUT THE NEED FOR MULTI-FAMILY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE'RE TRYING TO FILL THAT GAP BECAUSE IF YOU SEE THE NEWS ARTICLE THAT IS IN YOUR LAP THERE, THE MEDIAN HOME PRICE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS NOW OVER $500,000 AND PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THIS COUNTY NEED A PLACE TO LIVE. THIS PROJECT IS ONE OF THOSE WHAIZ TO HELP BRIDGE THAT GAP DPB THE WAYS TO HELP BRIDGE THAT GAP. IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THIS IS WHERE SOME PEOPLE NEED TO LIVE.

AND SO THAT'S ONE OF REASONS WE'RE HERE.

WE HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS. OUR MAIN ENTRANCE IS OFF US-1 AND OUR OTHER ENTRANCE IS OFF WATSON ROAD.

WE ARE REQUESTING ZERO WAIVERS. WE MEET THE LAND LAND DEVELOT CODE. WE HAVE ZERO WAIVERS.

WE WILL COMPLETE THE US-1 INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN ANOTHER SLIDE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS TO OUR SITE PLAN. WE ARE ON WATSON ROAD AND US-1 LOOKING NORTH. THE MAIN SPHWHRANS IS OFF THE US-1. THE ENTIRE PUD CONTAINS 20-FOOT BUFFER AROUND IT. THE TYPICAL PUD STANDARD IS THE 10 FEET. WE'RE PROVIDING A 20-FOOT.

IN ADDITION, EARLY BEFORE WE SUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION WE DID HAVE A VIRTUAL COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THE PEOPLE WITHIN 300 FEET OF US BECAUSE WE ARE OWNER OPERATORS.

THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO OWN AND IT OPERATE IT.

SO THEY WANTED TO MEET THE NEIGHBORS AND KIND OF EXPLAIN, HEY, WE'RE COMING HERE. WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE. SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS WERE THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE COMING ONTO OLD MILL CREEK COURT WHICH IS DIRECTLY WEST OF THIS PROPERTY, AND SO WE WORKED WITH THEM AND WE PROVIDED AN AN ENHANCED LANDSCAPE BUFFER. WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A FENCE.

AND WE MOVED THE BUILDINGS, CLUSTERED THEM.

THEY'RE ALL TOWARDS THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE.

AND IF YOU LOOK ON THIS KIND OF ZOOMED IN VERSION OF OUR SITE PLAN, THE BOTTOM IS THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

I SHOULD HAVE SHIFTED IT 1 BUT IN HINDSIGHT.

SO THE CLOSEST BUILDING TO OUR PROPERTY LINE IS 97 FEET, AND THEN THE CLOSEST HOUSE ON MOULTRIE COURT IS 55 FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE. SO WE HAVE 150 FEET DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COAST CLOSEST HOUSE AND THE CLOSEST BUILDING ON OUR PROPERTY. SO THERE IS A LANDSCAPE BUFFER, A FENCE BUFFER AND A DISTANCE BUFFER BETWEEN THE USES.

ABOUT AND THERE'S JUST A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT.

WE DO EXCEED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WE'RE PROVIDING THAT 20-FOOT BUFFER SUPERIORS THE 10-FOOT.

WE ARE INCORPORATING A FENCE AND ENHANCED LANDSCAPING.

WE ARE SET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY AT LAS 90 FEET WHICH EXCEEDS THE TYPICAL STANDARD CODE.

WE'RE ASKING FOR ZERO WAIVERS, AND WE DO PROVIDE MORE THAN 2 ACRES OF ACTIVE RECREATION ON-SITE.

AND I JUST BRIEFLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, HOW WE MEET THAT. THE MIXED USE DISTRICTS ARE INTEND FOR A VARIETY OF USES, AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS MAP, YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL TO OUR WEST.

THEN YOU CAN SEE THE COMMERCIAL. YOU CAN TELL THAT OUR PROJECT IS A REALLY GREAT TRANSITION BETWEEN THAT SINGLE-FAMILY USE AND THAT HIGHLY TRAVELED US-1 CORRIDOR, THAT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. SO AS A CERTIFIED PLANNER WE ALWAYS LOOB FOR TRANSITIONS. YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY NEXT TO COMMERCIAL AND YOU DO NOT WANT TO HAVE THAT KIND OF -- YOU DON'T WANT SINGLE FAMILY RIGHT UP ON US-1, EITHER.

SO MULTI-FAMILY TENDS TO BE A NATURAL TRANSITION BETWEEN THAT, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TALKS ABOUT THAT WITH TRANSITIONS FROM LOW TO HIGH DENSITY. IT TALKS ABOUT ALLOWING THE LOW, MEDIUM, HIGH DENSITY USES IN MIXED USE DISTRICTS.

AND THEN THIS IS JUST A QUICK TRIP GENERATION TABLE.

I WANTED TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE TRIPS BECAUSE THERE IS A MISCONCEPTION WITH MULTI-TEAM DEVELOPMENTS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY ARE HUGE TRIP GENERATE WHICH ACTUALLY IF YOU PATRIOT TO SOME OTHER USES IT'S REALLY NOT.

IT'S LOWER THAN SINGLE FAMILY AT THE SAME RATE.

IF THEY HAD LIKE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH IS ALLOWED IN OR, I TRIED TO DO APPLES TO APPLES, I. IN OR YOU CAN HAVE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HERE, AND IT'S MUCH HIGHER THAN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CAN BE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS MUCH HIGHER, AND THEN IF WELL WERE TO REZONE IT ON TO A COMMERCIAL USE, THE TRIP

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THEN JUST REAL QUICKLY, THIS IS A DEFICIENT ROADWAY MAP THAT'S IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE BECAUSE THE MAP IS SO ZOOMED OUT BUT OUR PROPERTY IS THAT LITTLE BLUE ONE, AND THERE AREN'T REALLY A DEFICIENT ROADWAY IN OUR AREA. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THAT. SO NEXT I'M GOING TO BRING UP JACK HOLES BERG. HE'S AIR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING IN KIMLEY-HORN AND HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE.

>> HI THERE. JACKS HOLTS BERG 12740 GRAN BAY PARKWAY, JACKSONVILLE. I AM A PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC ENGINEER 37 I'VE BEEN PRACTICING FOR APPROXIMATELY EIGHT YEARS.

AND THE APPLICANT HAS PREPARED A CONCEPTUAL ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS EXHIBIT. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THUR SCREEN, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT AT THIS POINT.

THIS IS NOT DESIGNED UP IN THIS NOTHING IS FINAL HERE.

SO YOU CAN MAKE LITTLE TWEAKS WHEN WE DO GET TO DESIGN.

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ADD CAPACITY TO THIS INTERSECTION BY WIDENING WATSON ROAD TO THE SOUTH AND CREATE BASICALLY TWO EASTBOUND LANES AS YOU SAID TOWARDS THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE. SO THERE WOULD BE A DEDICATED EASTBOUND LEFT TURN LANE AND THEN A THROUGH RIGHT LANE WHICH WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY HELP THE EXISTING OFFSET AS YOU TRAVEL EASTBOUND THROUGH THE INTERSECTION TODAY.

SO YOU CAN SEE TODAY YOU HAVE TO SIGNIFICANTLY KINK TO THE SOUTH IN ORDER TO GET INTO WATSON ROAD, AND WE WOULD BE REDUCING THAT KINK BY APPROXIMATELY 11 FEET.

THE LEFT, THE FUTURE LANE EDGE PROVIDING THE YOU HAVE SCHOO LEFT TURN LANE ALLOWS TO YOU CHANGE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO WHERE IT HAS A PROTECTED LEFT TURN GREEN ARROW, WHEREAS TODAY IF YOU'RE HEADING EASTBOUND AT THE SIGNAL ALL YOU SEE IS JUST THE CIRCLE, THE GREEN CIRCULAR -- OR THE GREEN CIRCLE, SO YOU HAVE TO -- YOU NEVER GET A PROTECTED LEFT TURN GREEN PHASE. YOU HAVE TO ALWAYS YIELD TO TRAFFIC COMING THE OPPOSITE DIRECION.

SO BEING ABLE TO RUN BOTH OF THE SIDE STREETS UNDER PROTECTED LEFT TURN PHASING SHOULD HELP THE INTERSECTION.

IT IMPORTANT TO NOTE THESE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, ARE NOT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. SO IF THIS DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T COME IN, THEN AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL NOT BE GETTING DONE ANY TIME SOON BY THE COUNTY.

AND WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE'S A NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT COMING ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER, AND TO OUR KNOWLEDGE THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO MAKE ANY INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, EITHER, SO, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO GET THESE IMPROVEMENTS DONE, THIS PROJECT IS WHAT'S GOING TO DO THOSE THINGS.

ANOTHER THING OF NOTE, WHEN WE DO THESE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, THERE'S GOING TO BE SIDEWALK ALONG BOTH FRONTAGES, SO WALK ALONG THE WATSON ROAD FRONTAGE AND SIDEWALK ALONG THE US-1 FRONTAGE AS WELL AS SIGNALIZED CROSSWALKS AT THE INTERSECTION, AND ANY TIME WE ARE MAKING SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS TO AN INTERSECTION, FDOT WILL REQUIRE THAT YOU LIGHT THE INTERSECTION WHEREAS THERE IS NO LIGHTING THERE TODAY.

SO THERE WILL BE PEDESTRIAN AND LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION AS WELL. AND NEXT I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE I JOE MECCA WITH KIMLEY-HORN.

HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE FOR THE PROJECT.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. JOE MECCA, I'M WITH, 2740, KIMLEY HORNE, GRAN BAY PARK WITH A WASTE SUITE 250, JACKSONVILLE 32258. I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER REGISTERED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

I'M BEEN PRACTICING IN LAND DEVELOPMENT AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROJECTS FOR OVER 28 YEARS.

AND I'D LIKE TO SPEND A LITTLE TIME HERE AS I KNOW IT'S A PARAMOUNT CONCERN, TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DRAINAGE IN THE AREA. FIRST THING TO SHOW YOU HERE IS WE'RE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO SEVERAL OF THE ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS AND RESIDENTS IN THE PUBLIC FORUM THAT WE HAD, THE PUBLIC MEET ANDET GREET.

SEVERAL FOLKS INDICATED THEIR CONCERN WITH THE FLOODING PROBLEMS IN THE AREA, APPARENT FLOODING PROBLEMS. WE'VE ALSO TALKED TO DICK D'SOUZA WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND SPOKE AT LENGTH WITH HIM AS WELL AS THE COMPLAINTS HE HAS RECEIVED OVER SEARLE EVER SEVERAL MONTHS.

SO WE DEFINITELY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS PART OF THE COUNTY IS EXPERIENCING SOME STANDING WATER AND SOME RELATED ISSUES WITH THAT. THAT PICTURE THERE IS NOT OUR PROPERTY BUT IT'S JUST WEST OF US.

THAT IS WATSON ROAD, AND THAT VEHICLE IS TRAVELING EASTBOUND,

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JUST FOR REFERENCE. AND WE CERTAINLY ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT THE COMPLAINTS AND THE CONCERNS ARE HERE.

SO I WANT TO TALK HIGH LEVEL FIRST.

THIS PART OF WATSON ROAD AND US-1, THE DRAINAGE BASIN THAT THIS PROPERTY IS IN, AND OBVIOUSLY SEVERAL OTHERS, IS REALLY ONE THAT DRAINS IN A NORTHERLY DIRECTION.

OUR PROPERTY DRAINS UNDER WATSON ROAD, NORTHERLY THROUGH A WETLAND SYSTEM, AND ULTIMATELY GETS UP TO WILD WOOD DRIVE AND CROSSES UNDER THERE AND FINDS ITS POINT OUT TOTAL INTRACOASTAL WATERWAY. SO THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS IS THAT OUR SITE IS ACTUALLY AT E HEADWATER, IF YOU WILL, OF THIS BASIN. OUR SOUTHERN PROPERTY BOUNDER IS A NATURAL OCCURRING DRAINAGE DIVIDE WHERE OUR WATER THAT FLOWS OVER THIS PROPERTY GOES NORTH AND THE PROPERTIES TO OUR SOUTH DRAIN IN THE SOUTHERLY DIRECTION INTO A DIFFERENT BASIN. OF NOTE WITH THAT IS THAT WE ARE AT THE HEADWATERS, AND THERE ARE SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN CONTROL, THROUGH SOME ENGINEERING CONTROLS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY HERE, TO HELP ALLEVIATE OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE SYSTEM ITSELF. AND SO WE'LL SPEND A MINUTE TALKING ABOUT THAT. WITH IT BEING AT THE UPPER REACH OF THIS BASIN, ONE THING IS THAT IT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BASIN CREATING THE CHOKEPOINT. WE'RE NO PLANNING TO PUT THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF AN AREA WHERE WATER IS MEANT TO FLOW AND PROVIDE RELIEF TO THIS AREA.

AGAIN, IT'S ON THE UPSTREAM END, SO WE WON'T CREATE A PINCH POINT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE THINK THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A REAL BENEFIT. THE SECOND IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE TODAY, AND WE'VE STUDIED IT ON THE FIELD, WE'VE WALKED THE SITE EXTENSIVELY, WE'VE STUDIED THE OPENOGRAPHY, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE DRAWJ STUDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH JJ, THEIR MASTER MODEL, AND WE SPENT SPENT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS TO THE BEST THAT WE CAN, AND WE FEEL WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD COMMAND ON IT.

BUT UNONE OF THE THINGS ON THE EXISTING SITE, AND 234EU7B WHO GOES ON IT THERE WILL SEE STANDING WATER.

I THINK EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR THERE'S WETLAND ON THE SITE.

IF THEY'RE NOT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A BUT THAT STANDING WATER THAT'S THERE IS -- AND ANY RAIN STREENT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VERTICAL STORAGE REMAINING ON THIS PROPERTY. THAT STANDING WATER, AS SOON AS ANY RAINFALL HITS IT, IS GOING TO IN VERY SHORT ORDER START TO RELEASE ITSELF INTO THE VARIOUS CHANNEL WAVES CROSSING WATSON ROAD AND ADDING TO THIS DRAINAGE BASIN.

ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS TO THAT, AND WE HAVE TO DO THIS BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY CODE, WE HAVE TO DO THIS BY THE ROWLS OF E STATE OF FLORIDA WHICH UP HERE IS ST. JOHNS COUNTY WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, WE HAVE TO CREATE IMPOUNDMENT, AND WE'RE SHOWING THE IMPOUNDMENT ON OUR SITE PLAN.

YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE AREAS. WYE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HIGHLIGHTED THOSE IN A COLOR. WE HAVE ABOUT 20% -- 20% OF THE SITE SET ASIDE FOR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.

AND WHAT THAT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT IS, AND MOST PEOPLE SEE THIS WHEN THEY DRIVE BY, ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE STORM WATER PONDS BUT THEY PROVIDE A VERTICAL STORAGE COMPONENT THAT CURRENTLY IS NOT THERE. AND IN THAT VERTICAL STORAGE COMPONENT, THAT FIRST REEMPLOYEES OF RUNOFF AND IN FACT THROUGH THE ENTIRE RAINFALL EVENT WE HAVE TO HOLD BACK, CONTAIN AND STORE A VOLUME OF WATER, AND ONLY RELEASE IT AT A VERY LIMITED VOLUMETRIC RATE, AND THAT VOLUMETRIC RATE IS BASED ON THE TERMINOLOGY YOU HEAR HERE CALLED PREVERSUS POST.

THE PRECONDITION IS THEY STOVER STORM WATER RUNOFF THAT WOULD BE ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE SITE IN THE CURRENT CONDITION AS IT SOUNDS, THE PRE-. THE POST DEVELOPMENT RUNOFF RATE IS OBVIOUSLY IN THE DEVELOPED CONDITION, AND THAT RATE OF POST-DEVMENTD HAS TO BE LETS THAN THE PRE SO WE HAVE TO COME UNDER WHAT THE PREDEVELOPMENT DISCHARGE RATE.

SO THERE'S MODELING DONE AND ENGINEERING CONTROLS AND MEASURES THAT ARE PUT IN. THE P. AND WE FEEL BY PUTTING IN THESE STORM WATER PONDS WE HAVE TO DO IT, BUT TWO, IT'S GOING TO CREATE FROM A CONTRIBUTORY STANDPOINT FROM OUR PROPERTY, A LESS RATE TO THE BOUND PURI TO Y TO THE SYSTEM THAN THERE CURRENTLY IS TODAY. THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IN THE GREEN AREAS ON OUR MAP ARE OPEN SPACE, GRASS, NATURAL AREAS. NO IMPERVIOUS COVER.

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE FILMING THIS SITE, FINANCINGS, SOME OF IT'S A WETLAND, IT'S LOW-LYING AND WE'RE GOING TO FILL IT WITH MATERIAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO MINE OR HARVEST OUT OF OF THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT POND SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.

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AS I MENTIONED WHB THE PONDS ARE ABOUT 20% OF THE SITE.

THE OVERALL SITE IS MAYBE 60%, 65% IMPERVIOUS, MEANING THE PAVEMENT COVER, WHICH IS VERY LOW IMPERVIOUS RATIO FOR A MLT FAMILY PROJECT. AND WE FEEL LIKE THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE WE'RE PROVIDING, AGAIN, THE E. IS GOING TO HELP MITIGATION SOME OF THE, AT LEAST OUR CONTRIBUTORY OF THE PORTION TO THIS DRAINING SYSTEM. IN CLOSING AND BEFORE I SURRENDER IT OVER TO JODY, I PRIDE MYSELF IN DOING THOUGHTFUL DESIGN THAT HAS SOME CREATIVITY TO IT, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ENGAGING IN THAT WITH THIS PROJECT AS WE GO FORWARD.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JODY WHO IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR

WETLANDS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

JODY 6:00 201 BASK ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE, 32080.

I'M WITH ATLANTIC ECOLOGICAL SERVICES.

WE WERE CONTRACTED BY THE APPLICANT TO DELINEATE WETLANDS ON-SITE AND PERFORM SOME PROTECTED SPECIES SURVEYS AND ASSESS THE SITE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS.

THE SITE WAS DELINEATED BACK IN THE FALL PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 63340 WHICH IS UTILIZED NOW BY BOTH WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS AND DEP AS PART OF THE 404 PROGRAM SINCE DEP HAS TAKEN OVER FEDERAL PERT MITTING IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER 8 ACRES OF WETLANDS ON THIS SITE SO IT'S PRETTY WET. IT'S A LOT MORE THAN THEY EXPECTED. WE HAVE A LOT OF KIND OF PINE WETLANDS ON THIS SITE THAT ORIGINALLY WEREN'T CONSIDERED WETLAND BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER. AND THEN YOU HAVE A HARDWOOD CONIFER MIX, SIPHONED KY PRESS/MAPLE MIX IN INTERIOR SECTION CLOSER TO WHAT YOU SEE IN US-1, BUT AS YOU GET BACK IN THE SITE, IT'S MOSTLY PINE, PINE FLATWOODS.

IT WAS PLANTED SOME POINT IN TIME.

IT'S LARGE PLANTED PINE. IT'S BEEN REM INHABITED AND .

SPECIES, WE DID 100% GOPHER TORTOISE SURVEY ON SITE.

THERE'S NO GOPHER TORT PUPSZ LOINL IT IS TOO LOW.

WATER TABLE IS TOO HIGH ON THE SITE TO BE CONDUCE SERVE THE GOPHER TORTOISE. THEY WANTED MORE SAND AND THAT WATER WOULD BE 18 INCHES BELOW THE SURFACE WHICH YOU DON'T REALLY-RUN INTO ON THE SITE, BUT PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION WE'LL DO SPECIES SURVEYS AGAINST BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY VALID FOR 90 DAYS FOR TORTOISE SURVEYS SO SOS THOAS WILL ALL BE DONE ONCE WE GET TO THE POINT OF CONSTRUCTION.

WETLAND, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE SHOWING IMPACT OF THE ENTIRE THING SO THE PERMIT THROUGH THE WATER MANAGEMENT, ST. JOHNS COUNTY WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

AS OF TODAY'S STANDARD, IT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A FEDERAL WETLAND. WHERE IT IS POST JUNE OR SO ONCE THE NEW GUIDELINES FROM DEP AND THE EPA COME IN FOR JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATIONS FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE, SO WE CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WHAT IT WILL BE BUT IF WE'RE USING TODAY'S STANDARDS WE UNDER A PERMIT APPLICATION RIGHT NOW IT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A FEDERAL WETLAND BASED ON THE NAVIGABLE WATER PROTECTION RULE, BUT BY THE TIME THIS SITE GOES IN THAT'LL BE GONE AND WE'LL BE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE. THE WETLAND ARE KIND OF MODERATE QUALITY. THEY'VE DEFINITELY BEEN VERY AFFECTED BY THE ROADWAYS, BY ALL THE LAND USES AROUND IT AND A LOT OF FIRE SUPPRESSION, OF COURSE, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND HERE. BECAUSE IT IS PINE, IT'S BEEN CONVERTED INTO SILVICULTURE. AND THEN THE HOMES AND EVERYTHING AROUND IT WITHOUT HAVING A FIRE, IT'S, OVERGROWN.

AND A LOT OF CHINESE TALLY OH INTALLYO INVASIVE COO INTO THE

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WE HAVE CAPACITY IN BANES 9 WHICH IS THE MATANZAS RIVER BASIN AND WE DO HAVE A MITIGATION TANK AVAILABLE.

SO THE WAY TO GO WITH THIS ONE WILL JUST BE PURCHASE MITT GAYS CREDITS A PART OF THEIR WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMIT.

THE WETLAND ITSELF, HISTORICAL WOULD HAVE BEEN A CONNECTED SEM THAT WENT THROUGH WHERE WATSON ROAD IS , THROUGH WHAT IS NOW TE STNL STORM WATER POND THAT THEY DID FOR FLOOD ISSUES OUT THERE.

AND THEN UP THROUGH THE NORTH PAST LIKE PUBLIX AND EVERYTHING ACROSS WILDWOOD AND INTO MOULTRIE CREEK, IT ONLY MAKES IT THERE BY MULTIPLE DITCH CONNECTIONS AT THIS POINT.

IT'S BEEN -- THE WETLAND HAS BEEN SEPARATED IN MULTIPLE SECTIONS BY DEVELOPMENT. AND NOW THE STUFF TO THE NORTH EVEN SEPARATES IT MORE WITH WHAT'S BEEN CLEARED AND FILLED TO THE NORTH AND THEN ALSO THE COUNTY STORM WATER POND WHICH IMPACTED LIKE 10 ACRES OF THAT ALSO, JUST TO THE NORTH.

SO A LOT OF THE WETLAND IMPACTS ON THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY THAT STORM WATER POND, WHICH WILL -- FROM A WATER STANDPOINT, WILL HOLD THAT WATER BETTER THAN WHAT IS JUST POPPING OFF, SO AS EVERYTHING FILLS UP, IT'S POPPING REALLY FAST OFF THE SITE. SO A LOT OF THE IMPACTS ARE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THAT STORM WATER POND.

IF THEY WERE TO LIMIT THE SITE AND LIMIT WETLAND IMPACTS, THEN REALLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE LEFT WITH IS A WETLAND THAT'S EVEN MORE ISOLATED THAN IT IS NOW, MORE ENCROACHMENT OF INVASIVES, PROBABLY BECOME MOSTLY ALL INVASIVES AT THAT POINT, AND IT WILL STILL JUST BE POPPING OFF ALL THAT WATER TO THE NORTH, WHICH ISN'T GOING TO HELP ANY OF THE FLOODING ISSUES THAT ARE AROUND, THAT'S FOR SURE.

SO IT'S KIND OF A TOUGH ONE. WE WANT TO SEE AS MUCH WETLANDS PRESERVED AS WE CAN, BUT DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE SITE AND THE WAY THE WETLAND SIT ON THE SITE AND WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE TOUGH TO EVER DEVELOP THIS SITE AND BE ABLE TO KEEP THE WETLAND AS THEY ARE, I WOULD EXPECT. SO -- BUT THEY'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS, GO THROUGH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT DEPARTMENT. AND HAVE MITIGATION AND TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THAT STUFF. WE HAVEN'T STARTED ANY OF THAT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN HAVE THEIR PROJECT. THAT'S ABOUT IT.

>> I'LL BE REAL QUICK. JUST TWO MORE SLIDES.

SO THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE VUTION THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS PROJECT. OUR DEVELOPER HAS WORK ON THESE PROJECTS, IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THEN KISS ME PROJECT.

THIS IS THE -- KISSIMMEE. THIS IS THE MARKET FOR YOUNG PROFESSIONALS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THIS IS THE GOAL FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND JUST QUICKLY, COMPATIBILITY THE AND THE BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT. THE PROJECT DOES MEET AND EXCEED THE LDC. IT MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE PROJECT IS A GREAT TRANSITION FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO THE WEST AND TO THE EAST OF US-1.

IT'S A PERFECT TRANSITION BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL. WE DID HOLD A COMMUNITY WORKSHOP, AND AS A RESULT WE PROVIDED ENHANCED LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT WESTERN BORDER. WE PROVIDED FENCING.

IN ADDITION, THE MARKET STUDIES FOR REALTORS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THERE'S AN EXTREMELY LOW SUPPLY OF MULTI-FAMILY IN THIS COUNTY. THIS IS A TRADITIONAL USE ALONG US-1 IN THE COUNTY. WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS AND ROADWAY ENHANCEMENTS TO MITIGATE THE FUTURE AND EXISTING TRAFFIC AND SAFETY CONCERNS.

WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME SAFETY CONCERNS.

WE DID HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME CITIZENS RIGHT BEFORE THIS, AND THEY MENTIONED MAYBE PUTTING A SIGN ON OUR PROPERTY TO SHOW HOW EVEN AFTER THE IMPROVEMENTS THERE MAY BE A SKEW, AND WE'RE ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO DOING THAT.

WE WILL CERTAINLY DO THAT WITHIN CODE AS LONG AS WE'RE ALLOWED TO. AND THEN THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES ENGINEER STORM WATER MODELS AND SYSTEMS TO ALLEVIATE EXISTING POOR DRAINAGE CONDITIONS, AND I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND I'M HERE FOR QUESTIONS. AND SO IS MY TEAM.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I'VE GOT QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS.

SO I'VE READ THE APPLICATION THOROUGHLY SO I KNOW THE ANSWER TO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS, BUT -- SO WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE

SITE IS WETLAND AGAIN? >> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW THE PERCENTAGE BECAUSE I'M NOT GREAT A MATH BUT IT'S LIKE 8 ACRES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S 53%. >>>

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>> SPEAKER: OKAY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: WHEN I WATCHED THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING ON TUESDAY, THE SITE JUST NORTH YOUR PROPERTY, IT'S WITHIN 50 YARDS NORTH OF YOUR PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO BE A RESTAURANT AND APPARENTLY A STRIP CENTER, I HEARD SOME DISCUSSION THAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND AND MAYBE MIKE CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS OR MAYBE YOU CAN, THAT THAT SITE HAD TO MAINTAIN I BELIEVE IT WAS HALF THE WETLAND ON SITE, SOMETHING LIKE 2-1/2 ACRES WETLAND, SO I'M WONDERING WHY THE COUNTY, I THINK I HEARD THIS CORRECTLY BUT I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT BECAUSE I WASN'T SITTING HERE WHEN THAT WAS APPROVED, BUT I WONDER WHY THERE'S A STIPULATION THAT THEY PROTECT WETLAND ON THAT SITE, YET YOU'RE ASKING TO CONVERT 100% OF THE

WETLANDS ON YOUR SITE. >> SPEAKER: YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT HAD -- WHAT THE STIPULATION WAS FOR THAT AND WHERE THAT CAME FROM. I'VE NEVER ACTUALLY STEEN THAT BEFORE FROM THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

MIKE, ARE YOU AWARE OF WHY? >> SPEAKER: TO THE CHAIR, DR. HILSENBECK, I THINK THERE WAS A SITE PLAN REVIEW THAT CAME BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THE LAST HEARING, AND THERE WERE TWO ITEMS ON THERE THAT REALLY THE BOARD WANTED TO JUST ENSURE THAT THE APPLICANT MET, AND ONE OF WHICH I THINK WAS THE AMOUNT OF WETLAND TO BE PRESERVED ON-SITE WHICH I THINK WAS 50%, GIVE OR TAKE, WHICH THE APPLICANT DID.

WHAT I'M NOT AWARE OF, DR. HILSENBECK, IS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE OF THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND I THINK PROBABLY OF SOME CONCERN, MY SPECULATION, FROM THE CITIZENS OF THE AREA, AND THEY PROBABLY MADE THE APPROVAL CONTINGENT UPON THAT SITE PLAN AND THOSE PRESERVATIONS

OCCURRENCE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS, SO PERHAPS WE'LL GET PUBLIC INPUT ON THAT, BUT IN MY MIND, TAKING 15.7-ACRE SITE THAT HAS TO GET 8.36 ACRES OF WETLAND, 53% OF THE SITE PLUS 53% PLUS OF THE SITE WETLAND AND CONVERTING ALL THOSE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ONLY MODERATE QUALITY -- I HEARD YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S MODERATE QUALITY, IT'S MAINLY PINE WETLANDS, I'LL PRETTY SURE THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF CYPRESS WETLAND OUT ON THAT PROPERTY.

DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE CHINA TALOOW INSITUATION BUT I'M NOT SURPRISED ABOUT THAT. BUT THAT'S A VERY INVASIVE EXOTIC SPECIES, SO I'M SAD THAT'S OUT THERE.

BUT I THINK APPROVING A PLAN THAT IS CONVERTING 100% OF THE WETLANDS ON-SITE WHEN A PROPERTY 50 YARDS AWAY IS HAVING TO MAINTAIN ABOUT 50% OF THEIR WETLANDS IS -- IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE. AND THIS PROPERTY FLOWS NORTH TOWARD THAT. SO I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO -- YOUR ENGINEER DID A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ATTENUATE SOME OF THAT WATER FLOW AND THE PATH THAT IT ULTIMATELY IN YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT IT TAKES UP TO MOULTRIE CREEK, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE THINGS.

TRAFFIC. TOTAL TRIPS, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE 1383, AND YOU SHOWED A NICE GRAPHIC THAT HAD LESS THAN COMMERCIAL, LESS THAN A SCHOOL, AND SO FORTH, BUT THAT'S STILL A LOT OF TRIPS. SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR TWO ENTRANCES, THE ONE ON TO US-1 AND THE ONE ONTO WATSON ROAD.

YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE IS COMING IN OFF US-1.

SECONDARY ENTRANCE OFF WATSON ROAD.

DO YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS HAVE ANY STATISTICS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE EXITING YOUR DEVELOPMENT WOULD GO SOUTH OR HOW MANY WOULD GO NORTH UP TOWARD CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE? I'M JUST CURIOUS. AND IF -- HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ENSURE THAT THEY DON'T GO OUT YOUR NORTHERN EXIT ONTO WATSON ROAD TO THE LIGHT IN ORDER TO TURN LEFT RATHER THAN GO OUT US-1, SAY, HEAD SOUTH TOWARD 206, DUPONT CENTER, OR DO A U-TURN WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS TRAFFIC MANEUVERS TO DO A U-TURN. I'VE LOOKED THIS UP, GOOGLED IT QUITE A BIT. AND DO A U-TURN ON US-1 TO GO NORTH. I SEE SOMEBODY I AM CA UP.

>> I'LL ADDRESS THE WETLAND QUESTION BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DO THAT. AS YOU CAN STELL FROM WHAT OUR ENGINEER SAID AND ALSO OUR WETLAND BIOLOGIST, THOSE WETLANDS ARE NOT ATTENUATING WATER RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE LITERALLY JUST LETTING THE WATER GO INTO -- SO IT'S NOT HELPING THE SITUATION AND THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THEY'RE HAVING,

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WE'RE HELPING ALLEVIATE THAT CONCERN.

AND JACK YOU CAN TALK ABOUT -- JACK LEFT ME.

JACK CAN TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AIM I'M A PROFESSIONAL ECOLOGIES WITH THE DAP AND I DISAGREE THAT THOSE WETLAND ARE NOT HELPING ANYTHING AND THAT YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO MAKE DRAINAGE SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER ON THAT SITE, SO I'LL JUST SAY I'M ON RECORD AS DISPUTING THAT.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: ON THE QUESTION OF WHAT KIND OF PERCENTAGES, WHAT DIRECTION THE AND ITING TRAFFIC IS GOING -- EXITING TRAFFIC, WE HAVE A TURNING MOVE COUN AT THE INTERSECTION OF US-1 AND WATSON ROAD, AND THE TRAFFIC TO THE WEST SIDE OF THAT INTERSECTION IS 100% RESIDENTIAL, SO THAT SHOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING. AND THAT EXISTING TRAFFIC APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 80% OF IT TURNS LEFT AT THE SIGNAL TO GO

NORTH AND ABOUT 20% TURNS RIGHT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

SO HOW CAN YOU ENSURE THAT MOST OF YOUR TRAFFIC, LET'S SAY PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE IS GOING TO FOLLOW THE SAME PATTERN THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED 180% OF THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO GO NORTH, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PREVENT ALL THOSE PEOPLE WERE GETTING OUT ONTO WATSON ROAD THAT'S ALREADY HORRIBLY CROWDED RIGHT NOW, AND I'VE EXPERIENCED IT SEVERAL TIMES BEING OUT THERE, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ENSURE THAT VERSUS THEY GO BACK OUT THE MAIN ENTRANCE ONTO US-1, THEN THEY DO A U-TURN, GO DOWN TO A MEDIAN, DO A U-TURN AND HEAD NORTH, WHICH IS A VERY DANGEROUS TRAFFIC MANEUVER? I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT A LOT MORE TRAFFIC BEING DUMPED ONTO WATSON ROAD, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW RESTAURANT AND STRIP CENTER ON YOUR NORTH SIDE.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PINCHERRER MOVEMENT COMING OUT THERE, AND THEN PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN LEFT TO GO NORTH.

I KNOW, YES, YOU'RE DOING INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.

WE HAD THAT WITH THE PROPOSED DEERFIELD FOREST THAT WAS NOT APPROVED BY -- IT WAS APPROVED BY US NARROWLY BUT THEN BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TURNED THAT DOWN.

SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE DON'T GO OUT ONTO

WATSON ROAD? >> AND I MEAN, THERE WILL BE NO BARRIERS PREVENTING ANYBODY FROM USING -- EXR FROM EXITING TRAFFIC USING WATSON ROAD. SO IF THE RESIDENTS WANT TO DO THAT, THEY WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO.

BUT WE HAVE ANALYZED THE INTERSECTION WITH THE ANTICIPATED FUTURE TRAFFIC WITH THAT ASSUMPTION, AND WITH THE SIGNAL IMPROVEMENT THAT WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUME TO CAPACITY RATIO OF THE TRAFFIC HEADING EAST TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION IS WAY UNDER 1, WHICH MEANS BASICALLY THE QUEUE IS ANTICIPATED TO BE CLEAR ON GREEN, EACH SIGNAL CYCLE, AND AS WELL WE LOOKED AT THE QUEUE LENGTH, AND THE QUEUE LENGTH IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO REACH EITHER OUR DRIVEWAY OR EVEN THE

COMMERCIAL DRIVE WAY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND IS THE

QUEUE LENGTH? >> SPEAKER: THE QUEUE LENGTH

IS HOW FAR -- >> DR. HILSENBECK: I KNOW WHAT

IT IS BUT WHAT IS THAT DISTANCE? >> SPEAKER: I WITH AN TO SAY AROUND JUST OVER 200 FEET FROM THE STOP BAR.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND I ESTIMATED YOUR DRIVEWAY COMING OUT, YOUR NORTH ENTRANCE THERE IS ABOUT 250 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION. IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT?

>> SPEAKER: I MEASURED MORE LIKE AROUND 300 OR 302 OF THE FEET BACK FROM THE STOP BAR TO THE CENTER OF THE DRIVEWAY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ON YOUR DIAGRAM BUT I COULD BE BRONCH TWRONG. HOW ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE HAR COMING NORTH ON US-1, LET'S SAY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO TURN LEFT ONTO WATSON ROAD, AND I'M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DO THAT.

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: HOW IS MAKING A RIGHT TURN LANE ON WATSON ROAD AS YOU'RE HEADING EAST GOING TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE TURNING LEFT WHEN YOU'RE GOT THE NEW RESTAURANT AND STRIP CENTER COMING ONLINE AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR PEOPLE, HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC PATTERN?

>> SPEAKER: YES. WE HAVE CONSIDERED THE WIDENING OF WATSON ROAD AND THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC FROM THE COMMERCIAL, THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT.

SO, YEAH, IF YOU'RE ENTERING THE PROJECT FROM THE SOUTH, YOU CAN EITHER MAKE A NORTHBOUND U-TURN AND USE THE MAIN DRIVEWAY ON US-1 OR YOU CAN TURN LEFT AND USE THE WATSON ROAD DRIVEWAY.

AND AS I MENTIONED THAT DRIVEWAY IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO BE BLOCKED BY A QUEUE. SO BY THE TIME THEY GET DOWN TO THAT DRIVEWAY, IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MAINLY FREE FLOW IN OTHER THAN YIELDING TO VEHICLES COMING FROM THE WESTERN END OF WATSON

ROAD. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO WROTE IN DISPUTE THAT BUT THAT'S HEARSAY AT THIS POINT. BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW RESTAURANT.

THEN YOU'VE GOT THOSE PEOPLE COMING OUT.

PEOPLE COMING OUT FROM YOUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA.

THE DENSITY Y'ALL HAVE 13 UNITS PER ACRE.

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SPFNTLE SO TYPICALLY A MULTI-FAMILY USE ALONG US-1 MAKES SENSE IN THAT LOCATION. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WANT SINGLE FAMILY NEXT TO US-1. NOT MANY PEOPLE TWHANT TO LIVE LIKE THAT. SO WE TYPICALLY -- AND I TWA WE HAVE DESIGNED THE SITE IS TO KIND OF BUFFER IT SO IT ISN'T RIGHT UP ON THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THAT HELPS THAT TRANSITION, TOO, SO I THINK THIS IS -- AS A CERTIFIED PLANNER, I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD USE FOR THIS LOCATION.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO HOW MANY -- YOU SAD THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF MULTI-FAMILY USE ALONG US-1. CAN YOU ENUMERATE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS BETWEEN DUPONT CENTER THERE AT 206 ALL THE WAY NORTH TO STATE ROAD 16, HOW MANY MULTI-FAMILY UNITS ARE ALONG

US-1? >> SPEAKER: NO, I DON'T HAVE

THAT DATA AT ALL. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THERE ARE

NOT MANY AT ALL. >> SPEAKER: BUT THERE IS A NEED IN THIS COUNTY FOR MULTI-MULTI-FAMILY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I AGREE THERE'S A NEED FOR MULTI-FAMILY, AND THAT WAS MY NEXT POINT. THIS ARTICLE HA WAS PASSED OUT TO US FROM THE NORTH FLORIDA BUSINESS JOURNAL OR WHATEVER IT IS MAKES I IT ALMOST SOUND, WHEN YOU READ IT, ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE THAT THIS IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MULTI-FAMILY, GREAT.

WE CAN HAVE -- A SINGLE FAMILY IS TOO HIGH.

YET IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU SAID THESE ARE LUXURY APARTMENT BUILDINGS. SO WHAT IS YOUR PROJECTED RENT ON YOUR RANGE OF RENT ON A TWO-BEDROOM SITE?

>> SPEAKER: MARKET RATE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU SAID

MARKET RATE IN THE PRESENTATION. >> SPEAKER: SO $1,500.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S REALLY HIGH RIGHT NOW.

>> SPEAKER: 1500 DOLLARS TO $2,500.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOT THAT YOU'RE CLAIMING THAT. YOU'RE NOT CLAIMING IT.

BUT WHEN YOU READ THIS -- >> SPEAKER: THE MEDIAN INCOME IS 500,000ED. SO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME FOR A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL, THEY CAN'T AFFORD THAT.

BUT THEY CAN AFFORD $1,500 A MONTH PROBABLY.

AND A ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENT. SO IT IS AFFORDABLE IN THAT SENSE. AND ALSO, A LOT OF YOUNG PROFESSIONALS STARTING OUT DON'T HAVE 20% DOWN TO BUY A HOUSE.

SO THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SINGLE, WHO HAVE YOUNG FAMILIES, WHO DON'T HAVE -- WHO ARE SAVING UP MONEY TO PUT THE 20% DOWN, SO THIS IS -- THIS IS A NEEDED USE IN

ST. JOHNS COUNTY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: GOOD ANSWER, AND I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE MECHANICS OF HOME BUYING AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO PUT DOWN AND THE MORTGAGE AND ALL THAT, BUT THE LUXURY, AND I MEAN, THAT'S NICE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND ALL, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT REALLY FITS IN TO MAKING THIS THAT AFFORDABLE FOR MANY PEOPLE.

SO LET ME ASK YOU A FEW MORE QUESTIONS.

I'LL WAIT UNTIL AFTER WE'VE HAD SOME PUBLIC SPARKS BUT I'M GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE WHO

ANSWERED QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PETER.

>> MR. PETER: I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE EXPANSE BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND US-1 BACK NORTH TO THE INTERCHANGE OF WATSON. WHAT'S THE DISTANCE BETWEEN

THOSE? >> SPEAKER: BETWEEN WATSON

ROAD AND US-1? >> MR. PETER: NO, BETWEEN WATSON ROAD AND YOUR NEW DRIVEWAY.

ON US-1. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

THAT IS A VERY LONG DISTANCE. THAT IS NOT TECHNICAL.

VERY LONG. LET ME GET MY SCALE OUT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. I WILL ANSWER THAT IN A SECOND.

>> MR. PETER: TAKE YOUR TIME. >> SPEAKER: ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER NOW? >> MR. MATOVINA: WE'LL GET

THAT ONE FIRST. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

I HAVE A BIG OLD MAP. 660 APPROXIMATELY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> MR. PETER: NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. MILLER. >> MR. MILLER: JUST A FOLLOW-UP AND WHOEVER CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE WETLAND. WAS THERE A SURVEY OF THE WETLANDS? HOW WAS THE ASSESSMENT DONE OF THE QUALITY, WALKING OF THEM? THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S ANY ATTENUATION WHEN THERE'S

FLOODING. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

THE WETLAND WERE DELINEATED WYE SCARPT 36PORT WHICH IS THE

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THE QUALITY LIKE I SAID IS OF MODERATE QUALITY.

THERE IS A PORTION OF HARDWOOD, CONIFER MIX SCHS CYPRESS WHICH IS RIGHT ALONG THE ROAD SO THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY SEES.

IT'S JUST A SMALL CIRCLE ALONG THE ROAD.

AS SOON AS YOU GET BACK FROM THAT, THAT'S WHERE YOU START TO HIT THE PINE. IT'S MOSTLY PINE AND FIR, TIPPALLAL CAL OF FLATWOODS IN FLORIDA AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING THE TALLOW MIXED IN. THERE WAS A ROADWAY PERMITTED BY DEP A LONG TIME AGO BY THE OWNER THAT SPLITS THE WETLAND.

IT'S A DRIVEWAY THAT THEY PERMITTED DOES BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY EVERY EVER EVER BUILT A HOUSE OR ANYTHING.

IT JUST GOES THROUGH THE WETLAND.

ATTENUATION, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANT DONE ANY STUDIES OF WHAT THAT ATTENUATION IS. WE DO KNOW IT ALL FLOWS FROM THIS SITE NORTH. SO AS THE STORM OF WATER ENGINEER WAS SAYING, THIS IS LIKE THE STARTING POINT KIND OF FOR ALL THE SHEET FLOW IS HEADING NORTH, SO THE WATER IS KIND OF HITTING THIS AND THIELG IT OUT TOWARDS THE -- I. HIGH TAILING IT OUT TOWARDS IN NORTH AS QUICK AS IT CAN BECAUSE WITH DEVELOPMENT AND ALL AROUND, THE SHEET FLOW WHEN IT RAINS IT'S MOVING THROUGH THERE PRETTY QUICK.

SO SEASONAL HIGH WATER IN THE WETLANDS, IT'S GOING TO BE HIGH.

I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SURVEY OF WHAT WE SET, BUT I WOULD EXPECT IN THE DEEP PART OF THE WETLAND THE SEASONAL HIGH IS A FOOT ABOVE GROUND LEVEL, RIGHT WARN IN THERE IN THE CYPRESS AREAS.

>> MR. MILLER: AS TO THE QUALITY OF WETLAND ARE THESE ISOLATED WETLAND THAT WERE CREATED TOO THROUGH AN OLD

SILVICULTURAL OPERATION? >> SPEAKER: NO, SIR.

THESE ARE ISOLATED WETTING BECAUSE OF DEVELOPMENT AND A LOT OF WHICH PRE-PERMITTING SO WATSON ROAD BEING THE FIRST CUT THAT OCCURRED TO THIS WETLAND WHICH USED TO HISTORICALLY FLOW ALL THE WAY BASICALLY TO MOULTRIE CREEK BUT IT DOESN'T DO SO ANY MORE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN CUT IN A WHOLE BUNCH AREAS.

>> MR. MILLER: SO THE WETLAND SYSTEM IN THIS AREA ISN'T FUNCTIONING AS IT WOULD HAVE ORIGINALLY.

>> SPEAKER: MORE, BUT ECOLOGICALLY IT STILL PERFORMANCE AS A A WETLAND. A WETLAND IS A WETLAND.

IT PERFORMANCE CERTAIN DUTIES THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

THERE'S A END REASON WHY ST. JOHNS COUNTY IMPACT 10 ACRES OF THIS THING JUST TO THE NORTH TO DETERIORATE CREATE A STORM WATER POND IN A WETLAND AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE IT FLOODS BAD OUT THERE AND THAT STORM WATER POND HOLDS THE WATER BETTER THAN THE WETLAND DOES. NOW, DOES THE WETLAND HOLD STORM WATER AND DOES AT A TEN? YES, SIR, IT DOES.

DOES IT TO IT AT THE RATE OF A 12-FOOT POND? NO, SIR, IT DOES NOT. THAT HOLDS WAY MORE WATER.

DO I WANT TO SEE THAT? NO, SIR, I DON'T.

>> MR. MILLER: ONE LAST QUESTION.

>> SPEAKER: IT DOES WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.

>> MR. MILLER: WHAT'S THE MITIGATION STRATEGY OF THE

IMPACTS? >> SPEAKER: IT'S CREDITS.

PUFFER WETTEDS FOR FISHTAILUM SWA MITIGATION BANK WHICH IS ST. JOHNS COUNTY-FLG LEHRER EVERLY BORDER.

THERE'S TWO MITIGATION BANKS AVAILABLE IN THIS PACE AND FISHTAIL -- GOT CAUGHT OUT BY FISHTAIL AND YOU HAVE ONE NONE% OPEN REPLY AND THE PRICES ARE SOARING.

>> MR. MILLER: APPRECIATE IT. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> MS. PERKINS: KEITH BOWEN.

KEITH BOWEN. OKAY.

SUZANNE CLUELO. 3 ARE YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> SPEAKER: I'M NOT VERY GOOD WITH THIS. I HOPE I GET THIS RIGHT.

SUZANNE INCLUDELO 109 LAUREL WOOD WAY, ST. AUGUSTINE 332086.

I BROUGHT THIS HILL MAP HERE TODAY BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED NOT JUST ABOUT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUTE TRAFFIC ON US-1 WHICH MR. HILSENBECK HAS REALLY HIGHLIGHTED FOR ME. I LIVE IN SOUTHWOODS.

YOU ALL JUST APPROVED 101 MORE HOUSES IN AN OLD PUD THERE.

ALSO, ON THE SHORES THERE'S 266 MORE COMING ONBOARD THERE.

THAT LEAVES 864 MORE THAT THEY .

WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT 204 RIGHT HERE.

I UNDER THAT 201 ARE GOING TO BE COMING BEFORE YOU IN THE NEXT

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I CAN'T GET OUT OF MY SUBDIVISION RIGHT NOW.

I CAN'T TURN LEFT UNLESS I HAVE A DEATH WISH AND WANT TO GO ACROSS THE TRAFFIC. I GO UP TO US-1 AND WALWOOD AND KIND OF MEANDER AROUND, GET TO THE LIGHT SO YOU CAN GO SOUTH, SO I COME ONE EXTRA MILE SO THAT I CAN GO SOUTH.

WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO TO MITIGATE THAT CORNER ISN'T GOING TO HELP ME AT ALL. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE. RIGHT NOW IF I WAIT TO JUST THE RIGHT MOMENT, I MAY BE CAN TURN LEFT AFTER THE PEAK TRAFFIC HOURS WAITING FOR THE LIGHT WAY DOWN A HALF MILE TO THE SOUTH AT WATSON ROAD TO HOLD UP THE TRAFFIC JUST ENOUGH SO I CAN GET OUT. BUT IF YOU START ADDING MORE CAPACITY AT THAT LIGHT, AS SOON AS THAT LIGHT CHANGES, I'VE STILL GOT CARS THAT ARE COMING AT ME.

I UNDER THAT WE HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.

I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOO HAVE AN APARTMENT TO LIVE IN. WE NEED IT.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO STOP THIS UNTIL WE GET OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IN ORDER SO THAT THOSE OF US THAT LIVED HERE BEFORE CAN SAFELY MAY HAVE GATE AROUND THIS PART OF THE COUNTY DIDN'T SAFELY NAVIGATE AROUND THIS PART OF THE COUNTY, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH I HAVE TO SAY. THEY DID A GOOD PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: TODD ORR.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER: TODD HORRY 29 THRIE MOULTRIE RESERVE COURT AND ACTUALLY 4925. I BOUGHT TWO LOTS JUST RECENTLY IN MARCH OF 2021. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS PROJECT CAME ALONG. I ACTUALLY DID A LOT OF RESEARCH BEFORE I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. I WANTED SOME PROPERTY WHERE I HAD, YOU KNOW, AUK RAJ TO BE ABLE TO -- ACREAGE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A HOUSE WHERE I WASN'T IN A PLACE WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS BUT STILL FELT LIKE I WAS IN THE COUNTRY.

SINCE THEN -- AND ACTUALLY I DIDN'T GET NOTIFIED.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE -- I KNOW IT SAID -- ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY POSTED SOMETHING TODAY AND I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE MEETING SO I'M NOT REALLY PREPARED.

I WOULD HAVE HAD SOME VISUALS IF I DID.

BUT IT'S 300 FEET. IS THAT STANDARD FOR WHEN A PROJECT THAT'S GOING FROM -- I MEAN, I'M ZONED RS-2 TO SOMETHING THAT'S MULTI-FAMILY RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

IS 300 FEET ENOUGH TO -- >> MR. MATOVINA: SIR, THIS IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION.

>> SPEAKER: I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW.

BUT I JUST SEEMED LIKE -- I NEVER GOT NOTIFIED.

SO I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS, SO I APOLOGIZE.

ANYWAY, I TOLD YOU I BOUGHT IN MARCH OF 2021, THOUGHT I FOUND THE PERFECT SPOT KIND OF THE IN COUNTRY BUT CLOSE TO EVERYTHING, CITY WATER. IT'S A QUIET STREET.

IT'S A LITTLE CUL-DE-SAC, MOULTRIE RESERVE COURT GOES DOWN TO A CUL-DE-SAC. AND THEN LIKE I SAID, I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH BEFORE I BOUGHT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT WAS COMING WITHIN 20 FEET OF MOWLT RERESERVE COURT WHICH DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN -- EVEN IF YOU PUT BUFFERING, I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THE PROPERTY IS OR WHAT THEIR FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION IS GOING TO BE, BUT IF IT'S A THREE-STORY BUILDING, YOU CAN IMAGINE FROM YOU CAN SEE MY NEIGHBOR'S ACTUALLY, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON MOULTRIE RESERVE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SEEING A THREE-STORY CONDOMINIUM OR APARTMENT COMPLEX LOOKING OUT YOUR FRONT DOOR WHEN YOU USED TO LOOK AT WOODS AND PRETTY VIEWS. I HEARD THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL SAY THAT MOST OF THE WETLAND WERE TOWARDS THE FRONT OF US-1. IF YOU WERE TO DO AN AERIAL VIEW, YOU CAN VISUALLY SEE THAT THERE'S CYPRESS TREES RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PROPERTY. YOU PERSONALLY WITNESSED GEESE FLYING OVER. LIKE I SAID, I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH. THERE'S HAWKS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA. THERE'S A LOT OF WILDLIFE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA. SO I JUST AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE WETLAND, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE GOING TO

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BEING JUST TO THE WEST OF THAT, I CAN TELL YOU FROM MINING IT, I HAD TO HAVE IT ALL HAULED OUT. IT'S MUCK.

IT'S NOTHING THAT YOU COULD BUILD ON.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE A -- MAWNCHTS NEED TO WRAP

UP. >> SPEAKER: THE WATER TABLE IS LESS THAN 1.5 FEET, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF ISSUES.

I GUESS DOES THAT MEAN MY TIME AREAS OVER?

>> MR. MATOVINA: YES. >> SPEAKER: BUT I'LL BE READY FOR THE NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: TRACY ROSE.

>> SPEAKER: HELLO. I'M TRACY RHODES 4975 MOULTRIE

RESERVE COURT. >> MR. MATOVINA: CAN YOU SPEAK

INTO THAT MICROPHONE, MA'AM. >> SPEAKER: TRACY ROSE 49 VIVE MOWRL RESERVE COURT, ST. AUGUSTINE 32086, AND I LIVE ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT BEHIND THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

IT'S ACTUALLY MOULTRIE RESERVE COURT IS THE NAME OF THE STREET.

IT'S RIGHT BEHIND IT. JUST CONCERNS PRIMARILY AGAIN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, THE WETLANDS.

I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS IT ZONED FOR ABOUT JUST OVER 6 ACRES FOR MARSHES AND TIDAL LAND. I THINK WE YOU A KNOW IT'S FAR GREATER THAN THAT. THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN HAD LESS THAN 2 ACRES, UNLESS IT'S TRAINED.

I ONLY SAW 2 ACRES FOR RETENTION AREA.

AND HONESTLY I CAN'T IMAGINE THH THE DRAINAGE AND THE DRAINAGE ON OUR STREET. I'VE SEEN THE STORM WATERS UP ALL DOWN OUR ROAD. WHAT THIS WILL DO TO THE AREA.

I THINK THE WETLAND THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT AND VERY PRODUCTIVE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL FUNCTION OF THAT AREA.

AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, HEAD SOUTH, AND YOU CAN'T IMAGINE HAVING TO TURN GEE GO ON RAFI TO GEOGRAPHCLY LEFT OFF F WATSON ROAD. THE TRAFFIC TRAFFIC IS JUST HORRENDOUS AND IT'S GOTTEN WORSE.

WE'VE BEEN ON THIS PROPERTY FOR 16 YEARS.

WE BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY IN 2006. WE'VE BEEN THERE 16 YEARS NOW.

WE HAVE SEEN ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON, ON BOTH SIDES OF WATSON ROAD. IT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE WITH A 30 SECOND LIGHT TO TURN NORTH. I HAVE TO TURN SOUTH.

TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING OUT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ONTO WATSON ROAD, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S ANYONE TURNING LEFT TOWARDS JACKSONVILLE, WHEREVER THEY'RE WORMING FROM TO COME DOWN HERE TO LIVE, WORKING FROM TO COME DOWN HERE TO LIVE, IT'S GOING TO BE A CLUSTER IN THAT AREA. I JUST -- I'M REALLY OPPOSED TO THIS SITE DEVELOPMENT, ANOTHER 500 CARS UP AND DOWN WATSON ROAD. US-1.

I LOOK ACROSS THE STREET ON THE NORTH END OF WATSON AND WHERE THEY'VE BUILT THAT UP, AND IT'S BUILT UP.

THEY PUT A RETENTION AREA THERE. BUT THE IMPACT OF THAT IS ON WIN ITON CIRCLE WHICH IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH END OF WATSON ROAD IS JUST HORRENDOUS.

I WALK MY DOG DOWN THERE JUST THE OTHER DAY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN SIX MONTHS, AND IT WAS JUST A MESS.

MUD, WATER. I JUST -- I DON'T WANT MOULTRIE RESERVE COURT TO TURN INTO A MESS LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU FORE YOUR TIME. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: CARL RHODES. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

CARL ROSE, 4975 MOULTRIE RESERVE COURT.

I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 16 YEARS. AND WE HAVE A FLOODING PROBLEM ON OUR STREETS, AND I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THE PROPOSED RETENTION POND IS NOT GOING TO HELP. I THINK THAT THE PROPOSED SITE IS GOING TO MAKE THINGS MUCH WORSE, ACTUALLY, AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT WHOLE SURROUNDING AREA, WE COUNT ON THOSE WETLAND FOR DRAINAGE, AND IT IS GOING TO CREATE A

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THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: DIANN ALLEN. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN. CHAIR MEMBERS.

DIANN ALLEN, 4945 MOULTRIE RESERVE COURT.

I BOUGHT -- MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT OUR HOME FOUR YEARS AGO, AND THERE'S NO OTHER WORD I CAN USE BUT IDYLLIC.

I HAD WOODS ALL AROUND ME AND LOOKING OUT MY FRONT DOOR IS WONDERFUL. THEY MAY BE JUST PINE TREES, BUT FOR NEE THEY'RE WOODS, AND THEY'RE GORGEOUS , AND AND IN THAT AREA THERE ARE WED WING HAWKS.

THERE ARE CRANES. THERE ARE DUCKS.

THERE MIGHT NOT BE ANY GOPHER TORTOISES, BUT THERE'S WILDLIFE IN THERE. AND TAKING IT AWAY, THE THOUGHT OF TAKING IT AWAY IS HEARTBREAKING FOR ME.

AESTHETICALLY YOU KNOW THE VISUAL, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE BUMPER IS GOING TO BE, AND I'M CERTAINLY HOPING THAT THE BUMPER WILL BE THE TREES THAT ARE THERE AND THAT THEY WON'T BE TAKING DOWN ANOTHER KIND OF BUFFER PUT IN LOWER THAN THE TREES THAT STAND THERE. SO AESTHETICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT -- IT'S A DISAPPOINTMENT FOR ME.

AND CONCRETELY, SO TO SPEAK, THE ROAD SITUATION, FIRSTLY, CROSSING WATSON ROAD AND US-1 IS TREACHEROUS.

I DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION ON HOW MANY NEAR-MISSES THERE ARE, BUT I'VE HAD THREE TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT ONTO WATSON ROAD.

I DON'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO THE YELLOW ARROW BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT'S COMING. I ALMOST GOT HIT BY SOMEONE DOING AT LEAST 70. PEOPLE DON'T DO THE SPEED LIMIT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LIGHTS RIGHT THERE, AND IT'S A GO, IT'S JUST A GO ROAD RIGHT THERE.

IT'S EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING OUT IT'S PRETTY BACKED UP BECAUSE THERE ARE RESIDENTS.

THERE'S MANY RESIDENTS ON WATSON ROAD, SO WITH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN AND A COUPLE THOUSAND MORE CARS AND THEN THE 400 OR 500 COMING ONTO IT, ANOTHER 400, 500, 1,000, WHATEVER COMING ONTO IT, 600 FEET FROM ROUTE 1 IS NOT A LOT. THERE'S GOING TO BE CARS CHEWED UP, BACKED UP FAR BEYOND MY STREET.

QUEUED UP. AND I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYONE WOULD APPROVE THAT WITHOUT -- IT SHOULD AT THE VERY LEAST HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, NO ENTRANCE ON WATSON ROAD.

LET THEM PUT THEIR ENTRANCES AND EXITS ON ROUTE 1.

SO THOSE ARE MY TWO BIGGEST ISSUES.

THIS ISN'T A NIMBY THING, NOT IN MY BACKYARD.

I DO THINK AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NECESSARY.

BUT I HAVE -- YOU'VE HEARD MY CONCERNS AND THANK YOU FOR

HEARING THEM. >> MS. PERKINS: PETER.

>> SPEAKER: I'M PETER DORKIMA I LIVE OFF WINT CIRCLE 4812.

I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 23 YEARS. WHEN I MOVED IN, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM. TEN YEARS AFTER I HAD TO PARK MY TRUCK UP AGAINST THE GARAGE DOOR WHEN IT RAINED 2 TO 3 INCHES BECAUSE IT WOULD HIT THE REAR TIRES.

THE COUNTY IS FINALLY BUILDING A DRAINAGE SYSTEM ON OUR ROAD WHICH THE SOUTH TWO-THIRDS OF WIN IT OP CIRCLE TO WATSON ROAD WHICH DRAINS TO US-1 WHICH THEN DRAINS NORTH.

THEY PUT A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT ON THE CORNER.

FROM WHAT I SEE, THAT LITTLE DRAINAGE.

FOR THEIR ENTRANCE IS NOT GOING TO CARRY ALL THE WATER THAT'S GOT TO GO FROM -- NOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADD WATER AND THE WETLAND THAT THEY SAY DOESN'T DO ANYTHING? THEY HAVEN'T BEEN THERE WHEN IT RAINS 2 TO 3 INCHES IN THAT AREA. IT HOLDS WATER FOR US AND IT DOES DO DRAINAGE. AS FAR AS TRAFFIC, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THERE, 300-FOOT QUEUE, BUT IF IT'S WHERE THERE ALREADY IS AN INDENTATION INTO THE WOODS OFF WATSON ROAD INSTEAD OF SOUTH, THEN THEY NEED TO COME BACK OUT AND LOOK TO SEE WHERE PEOPLE BACK UP BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT GOES FAR PAST WHERE THAT ENTRANCE IS.

AND SOMETIMES DURING THE DAY WHEN EVERYBODY IS DRIVING, WHEN

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VERY FEW CARS GO ACROSS US-1 TO GO TO CVS.

VERY FEW CARS TURN SPHWOWBD. MOST OF US TURN -- SOUTHBOUND.

MOST OF US TURN NORTHBOUND, AND THAT'S NOT BEING ALLEVIATED.

SO YOU BUILD THAT IN THERE AND YOU PUT ALL THOSE PEOPLE IN THERE WITH ALL THE OTHER HOUSING THAT'S GOING TO THE WEST ON WATSON ROAD, I THOUGHT I BOUGHT A HOUSE IN A NICE RURAL AREA,

BUT APPARENTLY I WAS WRONG. >> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU.

MARK ALBANESK. SPRCHL MARK, 5005 MOULTRIE RESERVE COURT, I'M A 16 AREA RESIDENT AREA.

THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME TODAY. I REQUEST THAT YOU ACCIDENT THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY FOR THREE MAIN COMPELLING FACTOR.

P ONE, TRAFFIC WHICH YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME DISCUSSING ALREADY.

AND THE SIMPLE FACT IS THAT, YES, IT DOES TAKE MORE THAN ONE CYCLE OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHT TO GET THROUGH OFF OF WATSON ONTO US-1. THE QUEUE DOES BACK UP ALMOST TO MOULTRIE RESERVE COURT SPECIFIC TIMES OF THE DAY.

THEIR ENGINEER HAS NOT PROPERLY STUDIED THIS.

THEY CAN'T EVEN NAME THE ROADS THAT ARE NEXT TO THEM.

I HAVE QUESTIONED WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

IT IS NOT 100% RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST.

THERE IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. THEY DON'T KNOW THE AREA.

I CAN TELL YOU PERSONALLY IT IS DANGEROUS TO MAKE THAT EARN TURN, EVEN TO GO STRAIGHT ACROSS IEWMENTS 1.

WITHIN THE LAST FEW WEEKS I WAS THE FIRST CAR AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT HEADING EAST. IT TURNED GREEN.

HAVING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, I DROVE, ALMOST GOT HIT BY AN ONCOMING COR CAR MAKING A LEARNED TURN.

UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS OF OUR OWN SHERIFFS CARS.

IF LAW ENFORCEMENT CANNOT NAVIGATE THAT INTERSECTION, HOW CAN SOMEONE THAT'S NOT TRAINED TO DRIVE ON OUR ROADS DO SO? ADDING ANOTHER 400 TO 500 CARS IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER.

IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT DEADLY. DRAINAGE.

I CAN SPEAK TO HOW MOULTRIE RESERVE DRAINS.

IT IS DRAINS TO THE SOUTH AND DRAINS ACROSS THE ROAD ONTO THIS PROPERTY TO THE EAST. BY RAISING AND FILLING THIS PROPERTY, WE WILL HAVE THE EXACT SAME ISSUES THAT WINTON CIRCLE HAS. OUR HOUSES WILL BE FLOODED.

OUR PROPERTY IS ZONED, THE THIRD ISSUE IS THE UFLT QUA LIFE.

OUR PROPERTY IS ZONED RS-2. WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL SEMI ESTATE, LARGE SETBACKS, SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS.

WE ARE NOW PUTTING AN APARTMENT COMPLEX LESS THAN 100 FEET FROM MY HOUSE. THIS IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE QUALITY OF LIFE, NOR THE POPULATION DENSITY OF THIS AREA.

IT'S NOT A TRANSITION. THERE WILL BE PARKING LOTS ON OUR LAWNS, HEAD LIGHTS GOING INTO OUR FROND FRONT WINDOWS.

THERE WILL BE PEEP WATCHING OUR CHILDREN PLAY AND LARGE QUANTITIES OF PEOPLE WITH NO REAL VESTED INTEREST BECAUSE THEY ARE TRANSIENT LOOKING TO FIND A HOME, AS STATED.

THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THIS IS NOT A GOOD CHANGE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THIS IS NOT A GOOD CHANGE FOR THIS AREA AND THE WATSON ROAD COMMUNITY. ONCE AGAIN, I REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THIS REZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU. KATHY WALSH.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS KATHY WALSH.

I LIVE ON 5015 MOULTRIE RESERVE COURT ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

I'VE LIVED THERE 16 YEARS AND I'VE LOVED EVER MINUTE OF IT UNTIL RECENTLY. I WILL TELL YOU THIS.

THERE'S A COMMUNITY DEERFIELD, YOU BELIEVE, THAT'S DOWN AT THE END OF WATSON ROAD TO THE LEFT. BIG COMMUNITY THAT'S BEEN BUILT RECENTLY FEP WANTED TO BUILD 86 MORE HOUSES, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAD BEEN DENIED THE REZONING FOR THAT PROPERTY THERE. AND I FIGURE THAT MY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF LAW, THAT THAT IS KIND OF SETTING PRECEDENT FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING ON OUR STREET. NOW, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE THREE MAIN THINGS THAT I SEE HERE, AND EVERYBODY'S PRETTY MUCH SAID IT SO I'LL BE VERY BRIEF.

SAFETY. SAFETY IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT'S GOING ON ON THIS STREET. IT'S A HORROR MAKING A RIGHT AND GOING ONTO WATSON ROAD. THERE ARE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES

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THE WATER ISSUE ON THE STREET. EVERY DAY IT'S A PROBLEM TO DRIVE THROUGH THAT WATER AND HAVE TO NAVIGATE IT AND WORRY ABOUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO SLIP THROUGH IT OR IS SOMEONE ELSE GOING TO SLIP THROUGH IT AND HIT US.

THEELL GOPHER TURTLES. LET ME BRING THEM P.

WE HAVE TWO OF THEM THAT USED TO COME OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR SPHRIEPT LIVE ON THE END OF THE SUCIALG CIRCLE.

THEY USED TO COME EXPUT IS SUN ON IT THERE.

WAT A PLEASURE IT WAS TO LOOK AT THOSE GOPHER TURTLES EVERY DAY OR EVERY OTHER DAY WHEN THE SUN CAME OUT.

I WANTED TO JUST REMIND EVERYBODY HERE THAT WE HAVE A NATURAL RESOURCE PLANT, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THAT PLAN THAT WE HAVE APPROVED THAT IN THE ZONING PAPERS THAT WERE APPROVED AT THE TIME, AND IT SAYS THAT PROMOTE -- WE SHOULD PROMOTE SOIL CONSERVATION BY MINIMIZING AND CONTROLLING ALTERATIONS OF THE NATURAL TERRAIN, AND THEREBY REDUCE SEDIMENTATION AND AIR AND SURFACE WATER POLLUTANT RESULTING IN SOIL EROSION. WE SHOULD MAXIMUM THE RETENTION TREES, OUR OF ALL YOU'LL BE RESOURCES AND TEEP I. CIECHT OR FOUR COMMUNITY. SWHIED RATE ANES AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND TO END PROTECT AND ENS PANS PROPERY DIEWLS VALUES BY CONSERVING TREES DISMOAR VEGETATION.

ONE LAST THING I WANT TO DO I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS JANE GOODALL. SHE WORK WITH THE APES AND THE GORILLAS. SHE IS A CONSERVATIONIST AND A VERY LOVELY WOMAN. SHE HAS WRITTEN A BOOK, AND IN THE BOOK LIKED TO QUOTE FROM THE BOOK, "AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WITHOUT FLORA, THERE WOULD BE NO FAUNA.

THERE WOULD BE NO HUMANS. ALL ANIMALS AND ANIMAL LIFE ULTIMATELY DEPENDS ON PLANTS. IT'S AMAZING TAPESTRY OF LIFE.

WHERE EACH LITTLE STITCH IS HELD IN PLACE BY THOSE AROUND IT."

THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: TRACEY

SCHOONER. >> SPEAKER: HI.

I'M TRACEY SPOONERY LIVE AT 4995 MOULTRIE RESERVE COURT, AND I'M JUST HERE TO VOICE SOME CONCERN. FIRST OF ALL, THE FIRST PERSON EVER CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC, OF COURSE, WHICH HAS BEEN DISCUSSED THROUGHOUT THE PROCEEDINGS. I DO WANT TO ADD THAT I'VE BEEN WITH -- I'VE BEEN AT MY HOUSE SINCE 2016, AND THERE'S BEEN TWO FATALITIES AT THAT INTERSECTION SINCE I'VE MOVED THERE, ONE WHICH I WITNESSED WHICH WAS A MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO ELABORATE ANY MORE. WE'VE ALREADY COVERED THAT.

BUT I DO WANT TO SHARE SOME PICTURES FROM A DRONE THAT SHOWS HOW PEOPLE JUST GO THROUGH THE RED LIGHTS.

THEY SPEED UP, AS YOU CAN SEE. THERE'S A RED LIGHT, TRACTOR-TRAILERS GOING THROUGH. WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT A GENTLEMAN IS TAKING A TURN AND GOING INTO A RED LIGHT.

SO THAT'S MY CONCERN, IS THE SAFETY.

ANOTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS EVERYBODY ELSE IS THE DRAINAGE.

IT'S A KNOWN FACT THAT MOULTRIE WE HAVE FLOODING WHEN WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL RAINFALL. AND I JUST FEEL THAT IF YOU BUILD UP THAT AREA, IT'S GOING TO -- IT'S GOING TO DRAIN DOWN TOWARDS WATSON AND MOULTRIE. AND I WANT TO ECHO WHAT CARLED THE SAID. WE RELY ON THOSE WETLANDS FOR WHAT DRAINAGE THAT WE DO HAVE ON MOULTRIE.

SO I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT. ANOTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THE IMPACT ON MY QUALITY OF LIFE.

I WORK FROM HOME. I SPECIFICALLY PICKED MOULTRIE RESERVE COURT BECAUSE IT'S A VERY QUIET RURAL AREA.

AND I DON'T HAVE -- AND IT'S MOSTLY ALL JUST OLDER ADULTS WHOSE CHILDREN ARE NOW GROWN OR EITHER DON'T HAVE CHILDREN, AND IT JUST -- IT'S A QUIET STREET WHERE I CAN HAVE CONFERENCE CALLS OUTSIDE IF I WANT. IF 204 -- 204 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX IS BIMENT, OF COURSE, THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT BY QUALITY OF LIFE AS FAR AS THE NOISE, CARS GOING IN AND OUT.

RIGHT NOW I DON'T HEAR ANY CARS DURING THE DAY.

I DON'T HEAR PEOPLE. I DON'T HEAR ANYTHING COMING AND GOING. SO THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE IF WE WERE TO BUILD THIS COMPLEX. ALSO, ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERNS IS THE WILDLIFE THAT I OBSERVE THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA.

THERE'S DEER. THERE'S ALL SORTS OF BIRDS.

I'VE SEEN THE GOPHER TURTLES AS WELL BECAUSE I LIVE ON THE CUL-DE-SAC CLOSEST TO WHERE THE BUILDING IS BEING BUILT.

THERE'S ALSO -- I WANT TO SHOW YOU MY LITTLE DEER PICTURE THAT

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SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. SO I'M ASKING YOU TO RECONSIDER THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE A COMPLEX OF THAT SIZE JUST DOESN'T FIT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS OR THE SURROUNDING AREA. THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU. JOHN WOODARD .

>> SPEAKER: 158 RIVER COVE CIRCLE ST. AUGUSTINE FLORIDA 328O.6. IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK.

I WAS MEMBER OF THIS AGENCY, SERVED FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS HERE SO IT'S KIND OF STRANGE TO BE ON THIS SIDE.

REALLY DID A LOT OF RESEARCH XI WHEN I WAS UP THERE BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HOW BAD THE INTERSECTION IS OR HOW BAD THE TRAFFIC IS. YOU REALLY HAVE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON TO FULLY UNDERSTAND. AND SO I HAVE HERE THE GOOGLE PICTURES. YOU CAN SEE SOMEBODY THAT IS -- OOPS. GOT IT.

YUCH SIDE DOWN FOR ME. SO SOMEBODY WHO IS HERE WHO IS GOING TO BE TURNING HERE, THE PERSON THAT IS ON THIS SIDE OF THEM HAS TO GO ACROSSOVER THERE, AND THIS IS WHERE MOST OF THE ACCIDENTS TAKE PLACE. AND I DON'T HAVE THE STATISTICS BECAUSE I JUST FOUND THIS BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE CLOSE ENOUGH TO GET THE NOTICE, BUT I DO HAVE FROM THE NEWSPAPER THAT QUOTES ME WHEN I WAS AGAIN SITTING UP THERE, THAT THERE WAS TWO -- BETWEEN 2012 AND 2018 WHEN THIS ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN, THERE WERE TWO FATALITIES AND 43 SERIOUS INJURIES AT THAT INTERSECTION. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WENT TO THE COUNTY ENGINEER ABOUT, AND HE SAID, WELL, IT FITS WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ANGLES AND EVERYTHING. AND THAT'S FINE.

I'M SURE IT LOOKS GREAT IN A BOOK.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THAT ROAD AND YOU SEE THE FLASHING LIGHTS AND YOU'RE WONDERING IF IT'S YOUR FAMILY THAT HAVE JUST DO GOTTEN IN TT CAR ACCIDENT FOR IT'S YOUR NEIGHBOR, IT'S A DIFFERENT THING.

NOW, HAVING MENTIONED THAT, I'M CERTAINLY NOT AGAINST THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. I'M KIND OF SAD THAT IT'S NOT A LITTLE BIT MORE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS IN THIS COUNTY. BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM BUILDING WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING.

I HAVE A PROBLEM, A CONCERN WITH ROAD.

I WOULDN'T EVEN BE STANDING UP HERE IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE BEEN ONE OF THEIR ENTRANCES GOING ON WATSON ROAD.

CERTAINLY AN APARTMENT ON US-1, THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AN INTERSECTION WHERE PEOPLE HAVE DIED, WHERE THERE'S BEEN -- AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. PEOPLE HAVE DIED, A LOT OF SERIOUS INJURIES. YOU KNOW AND TO ADD MORE ONTO THAT IS CONCERNING. I DO APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH -- I THINK I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

CAN I GET AN EXTRA MINUTE? >> MR. MATOVINA: WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME PRIVILEGE TIME. GOOD SEE YOU.

>> AND I APPRECIATE THAT. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WILL BE ADDRESSING WILL BE THIS PERSON HERE WHO IS TURNING HERE WITH THE CHANGES TO THE INTERSECTION, THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY SERIOUS -- IF YOU LOOK A HOW THIS IS DRAWN, HOW MISALIGNED IT IS. SO THAT'S GREAT THAT THAT'LL BE FIXED. WHAT I AM CONCERNED IS AS MUCH OR MORE BEFORE 80% OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS APARTMENT COMPLEXES WILL BE GOING NORTH. SO 80% LIKELY ARE GOING TO GO THE EASIEST WAY INSTEAD OF GOING DOWN AND TURNING AROUND, THEY'RE GOING TO GO OUT HERE. AND THE PERSON WHO IS HERE TURNING LEFT IS STILL GOING TO BE IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS. I DO THINK THERE ARE SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT WE COULD DO. REALLY THIS NEEDS TO HAVE A SIGN SAYING IT'S MISALIGNED SO PEOPLE ARE AT LEAST THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE OTHER SIDE.

I DO APPRECIATE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THAT THEY WOULD PUT SOMETHING ON THEIRS. THAT IS AT LEAST STARTING TO ADDRESS IT. BUT I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO REALLY THOROUGHLY LOOK INTO THIS, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS THAT I HOPE THAT YOU KEEP IN MIND THE HISTORY, THE INJURIES THAT AE DEATHS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE AT THIS INTERSECTION, AND MAKE SURE WHETHER IT'S ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT OR THE COUNTY OR IN SOME OTHER WAY WE NEED TO HAVE IT ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE THIS BIG SAFETY ISSUE. THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: DYLAN SCHULTZ. >> SPEAKER: HELLO.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DYLAN SCHULTZ.

I'M 4965 MULTICOURT. I'LL BE ONE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LOOK DIRECTLY AT THIS FACILITY IF IT'S BUILT, AND MY

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YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS, THAT I JUST FEEL THAT THIS AREA IS NOT READY FOR DEVELOPMENT. IT NEED TO HAVE FURTHER REVIEW BY THE COUNTY, BY ALL THESE AGENCIES.

WATER AND ITS CONTROL, IT'S NOT THE DEVELOPER'S FAULT NECESSARILY. THEY CAN DO EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO OR VOLUNTEER TO DO, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS AREA IS READY FOR DEVELOPMENT.

THE COUNTY IS JUST NOT THERE AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS JUST NOT THERE TO HANDLE MORE DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK THINGS NEED STEPS NEED TO FURTHER BE TAKEN FOR THE ROADS TO BE UP TO THE STANDARD TO HOLD THE CAPACITY OF PEOPLE THAT COME THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

I LIVE AND TURN ONTO WATSON. IT'S HARD OF.

ICE DANGEROUS. I HAVE CHILDREN.

I'M AFRAID FOR THEM TO DRIVE. MY SON WORKS JUST UP THE ROAD AND I'M AFRAID FOR HUM TO TAKE A LEFT TURN TO GO UP THERE.

IT'S NOT FUN. AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT SCARY, THE ROADS. AND, OF COURSE, I'M A NEW PROPERTY OWNER THERE. I WORRY ABOUT WHEN A DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT, THE POLICE DISPLACEMENT OF ALL THESE WET EXPNL ALL THIS WATER. IT HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.

I UNDERSTAND RETENTION PONDS AND YOU CAN DEBATE WETLAND AND RETENTION PONDS ALL DAY LONG. I'M IN DEVELOPMENT.

EVENTUALLY THERE'S MORE WATER THAN ANYTHING CAN HOLD AND THAT HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE. IT GOES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

MOULTRIE RESERVE COURT IS A PRIVATE ROAD.

MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S OUR OWNERSHIP AND WE OWN IT.

IF ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE COMES AFTER THIS DEVELOPMENT THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO, NOT THE CITY, NOT THE COUNTY, TO IF I CAN AND REPAIR THE ROAD. THAT'S A CONCERN FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOTE JUST A PUBLIC STREET AND WE'RE ACROSS THE ROAD FROM IT.

SOME OF MY NEIGHBORHOODS REGION OWN PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT ROAD SO THEY WILL BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO AND ATTACHED TO THIS PROPERTY, THIS DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. EVERYBODY ELSE PRETTY MUCH HAS THE SAME CONCERNS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HEARING

ME. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

PENCHT MIKE FIRK. >> MS. PERKINS:

>> SPEAKER: MIKE BURKE 318 DEERFIELD GLEN DRIVE.

THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY COMMENTS TODAY.

I APPRECIATE IT. I'M AT THE WEST END WATSON ROAD IN THE DEERFIELD TRACE SUBDIVISION.

IN THE SEVEN YEARS I'VE LIVED THERE, I'VE SEEN A TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN TRAFFIC BACKUPS AT THE WATSON ROAD-US-1 INTERSECTION. NOW WITH THE ADDITION OF THE NEW COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION, THERE WILL BE EVEN MORE CONGESTION THERE.

I'M NOTE OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED APARTMENTS.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED APARTMENTS.

BUT I'M INVESTMENTLY OPPOSED TO ALLOWING ANY EXIT OR ENTRANCE FROM WATSON ROAD. THE POTENTIAL ADDED TRAFFIC FROM A 204 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX FOR AN ALREADY CONGESTED INTERSECTION WOULD BE DISASTROUS.

PLEASE FORCE THE DEVELOPER TO LOOK TO THE EAST OR SOUTH FOR A SOLUTION, BUT ABSOLUTELY NO ACCESS TO WATSON ROAD TO THE NORTH. THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO OFFER

SOME REBUTTAL? >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. SO TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY CONCERNS, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

WE UNDER THERE'S ISSUES, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE PROPOSING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. WE ARE ACTUALLY PROPOSING, IF YOU SEE THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL LANE.

SO RIGHT NOW THEY ONLY HAVE THE TWO LANES.

WE ARE PROPOSING A DEDICATED LEFT OUT.

SO THAT MEANS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN LIGHT, THEIR OWN GREENLIGHT OUT. THEREFORE, IT DIDN'T THIS CONFUSION OF WHO GOES WHEN AND WHO GOES WHAT.

IT'S DEDICATED GREEN. THEY TURN LEFT TO GO NORTH.

WE ARE ALSO OFFERING THE ADDITIONAL 11 FEET.

AND WE AS THE DEVELOPER ARE DOING THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

WE ARE PAYING FOR THEM AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION.

SO ALL OF THIS, WHEN WE'RE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SITE, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TOO. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE 11 MORE FEET TO THE SOUTH TO HELP WITH THE QUEUING.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE QUEUING AND RIGHT NOW IT'S REALLY BAD. WELL, WITH THE ADDITIONAL LANE, THAT QUEUING HAD HELP, THAT WILL HELP SUBSIDE THE QUEUING.

WE'VE HAD TRAFFIC STUDIES WITH BE ECOLOGICAL STUDIES WITH WE'VE

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WE UNDER. WITH THIS REDESIGN, DOT WILL MAKE US BRING IT UP TO STANDARD, SO THAT INCLUDES LIGHTS AT THAT INTERSECTION WHERE THERE AREN'T LIGHTS NOW.

STREET LIGHTS TO ADD FOR THAT. PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS TO MAKE IT SAFER. AND THEN I DID WANT TO KIND OF JUST QUICKLY ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, RIGHT HERE, THIS IS WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE ALONG -- THIS IS AN ADD BUFFER BETWEEN THESE HOMES.

THIS HOME IS 55 FEET FROM THIS PROPERTY LINE, AND OUR BUILDING IS 97 FEET AWAY FROM THAT. SO IT'S 150 FEET, AND IT'S MORE THIS WAY. SO THERE IS A DISTANCE BUFFER.

THERE'S A LANDSCAPE BUFFER. AND A 100% OPACITY FENCE BETWEEN THE TWO USES. WE WILL TRY TO KEEP AS MANY TREES ALONG THAT WESTERN BORDER AS WE CAN.

WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. AND I JUST KIND OF -- I DON'T WANT TO BRING THIS UP BUT IT WAS BROUGHT UP, SO DEAL OF, THAT WAS DENIED -- DEERFIELD, THAT WAS DENIED FOR THEIR OWN ISSUES.

THIS IS A SEPARATE APPLICATION. THAT ONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US. WE DID TAKE THE TOPOGRAPHY OF OLD MOULTRIE RESERVE IN 2W. OWRN ENGINEERING STUDIES TO MAKE HURE WE ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THOSE ELEVATIONS EXPHAIKING SURE WE ARE NOT MAKING IT WORSE THAN WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.

WE ARE REGULATED BY LAW TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR DRAINAGE DOES NOT GO ON THEIR PROPERTY AFTER WE DEVELOP.

SO THAT IS DEFINITELY A REQUIREMENT.

WE WILL BE A GATED COMMUNITY. IT WILL BE ITS OWN ENCLAVE.

OUR BIOLOGIST DID WALK OUR PROPERTY AND MADE SURE THERE WERE ZERO GOPHER TORT PUPSZ MAYBE THERE ARE SOME GOPHER TORT OUSTS PORTIONS THAT ARE NOT OUR LAND, BUT HE HAS TESTIFIED THAT THERE ARE NO GOPHER TORTOISES ON OUR PROPERTY.

AND THEN I JUST WE WANTED JOE TO TALK ABOUT THE DRAINAGE REAL

QUICK. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FORT OPPORTUNITY. APPRECIATE ALL THE THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS. AGAIN, I WANT TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS AREA IS CHALLENGED.

WE DON'T TAKE THAT LIGHTLY. WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION, JUST TO REITERATED RESPECTFULLY, THAT WE CAN CONTROL WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING HERE FOR REDEVELOPMENT, OR FOR DEVELOPMENT, AND WE WILL PUT IN THE MEASURES TO MAKE SURE AND EVALUATE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, ANY RUNOFF THAT COMES TO US FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, WE HAVE TO, BY WATER RIGHTS, RECEIVE THOSE AND EITHER PROCESS THEM OR BYPASS THEM.

OUR OUTFALL FOR THE PROJECT, AND THIS MAYBE SOMETHING I LEFT OFF, BUT IT IS TO WATSON ROAD. THERE ARE TWO CULVERTS THAT RUN UNDER WATSON ROAD. THE ONE A LITTLE BIT WEST OF OUR SITE, AND I APOLOGIZE I'M NOT POINTING TO A GRAPHIC OR ANYTHING, BUT THE ONE WEST OF OUR SITE IS -- THAT WAS THE ONE IN MY GRAPHIC. SO THAT'S THE ONE TO THE WEST.

Y WHY, THAT IS INUNDATED. THE ONE TO THE EAST AT THE INTERSECTION WITH US-1 IS ACTUALLY CRUSHED FROM WHEN AWAY E. WE SA WALKING IN THE FIELD, SO AT THE MOMENT THAT ONE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE FUNCTIONING, BUT AS PART OF OUR IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY ON TO GET THAT REESTABLISHED. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE PANACEA FOR THE WHOLE AREA BUT CLEARLY THIS IS A RESTRICTION THAT'S CREATED BY THAT, SO I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? FOR APPLICANT AT THIS POINT?

>> MR. MILLER: I HAVE A FEW IF NOBODY ELSE I HAVE A FEW IF NOBODY ELSE DOES AND IT'S PROBABLY DIRECT TO THE ENGINEERING SIDE MORE THAN ANYTHING, MS. KNIGHTING.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST, IS IT -- OBVIOUSLY IT WAS DEVELOPED A LONG TIME AGO.

IT APPARENTLY DOES NOT HAVE A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL. DOES IT DRAIN TO THE EAST?

>> DO WE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION? IS THERE WATER COMING TO US AT THIS MOMENT?

>> SPEAKER: BEAR WITH ME ONE MOMENT.

I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET THE RIGHT EXHIBIT FOR YOU.

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>> MR. MATOVINA: YES. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

WATSON ROAD, US-1, THE ADJACENT. THIS RED LINE REPRESENTS -- SEVERAL LINES, BUT THESE RED LINES REPRESENT DRAINAGE BOUNDARIES. ARE IN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY MASTER DRAINAGE BASIN STUDY THAT'S BEEN CONDUCTED BY JONES EDMONDS. SO WE'RE UTILIZING THAT AS PART OF OUR TOOL KIT TO EVALUATE WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT HERE ON THIS PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

AS I MENTIONED, OUR SOUTHERN SEND A BOUNDARY DIVIDE WHERE THIS ESSENTIALLY DRAINS TO THE SOUTH.

OUR PROPERTY NOW DRAINS TO THE NORTH.

THERE IS A VERY SMALL AMOUNT, WHICH WE FEEL IS PROBABLY RIGHT DOWN THE MIMED OF THEIR ROAD, THAT WILL COME ONTO OUR SITE TO SOME EXTENT AND EL WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING TO PICK THAT UP OR MANAGE THAT WATER. YOU CAN SEE THIS LINE RIGHT HERE, AND I APOLOGIZE MY FINGER IS DISTORTING THIS, WHERE THIS WATER NATURALLY DRAINS OFF THIS WENT SYSTEM AND ACROSS WATSON ROAD. IN THE POST-DEVELOPED CONDITION WE WILL NEED TO PICK UP ALL OF THIS WATER AND ROUTE IT INTO OUR TWO POND WHICH WE HAVE SHOWN WHICH ARE ABOUT 2.9 ACRES.

I THOUGHT THERE WAS I COMMENT THEY WEREN'T SEWER IF IT WAS 2 BUT IT'S 2.9 ACRES IN POND AREA. HOPEFULLY THIS IS ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE DRAINAGE DIVIDES AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN IMMEDIATE AREA

HERE. >> MR. MATOVINA: ACTUALLY, THE THAT'S A VERY GOOD ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.

THANK YOU. SO MY SECOND QUESTION TO YOU IS, AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE WETLAND MAP THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT, YOU SEE THAT SUBSTANTIALLY ALL OF THE WETLANDS ARE UP ALONG US-1 AND ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, SO THE DEVELOPMENT PORTION IS REALLY UP AGAINST THE EXISTING RESIDENTS FOR THE MOST PART, IN MY OPINION. AND YOU SHOWED US THOSE PICTURES OF THE DRAINAGE OVER THERE ALONG WATSON AND, OF COURSE, IT'S A LITTLE INCONCLUSIVE BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE A CRUSHED CULVERT, BUT WE KNOW THE WATER IS REALLY HIGH IN THIS AREA, SO WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR TOP OF BANK IS GOING TO BE ON YOUR BIG POND VERSUS THE ELEVATION, GENERAL ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE

WESTERN BOUNDARY? >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR THAT QUESTION. SO THE NORMAL WATER THAT WE'RE OBSERVING OUT HERE, AND WE CAN USE BOTH WHAT WE'VE MEASURED AND THE ADJACENT COMMERCIAL PROJECT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WATSON ROAD, IS AROUND ELEVATION 28. THAT'S AN AB -- DATUM.

SO WITH THAT, OUR INITIAL MODELING RIGHT NOW IS INDICATING THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE ABOUT 4 OR 5-FOOT OF VERTICAL STORAGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT CAPACITY THAT IS JUST NOT THERE TODAY.

NOW, I UNDERSTAND AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING THE SITE. BY DOING THAT YOU CREATE IMPERVIOUSNESS AND THAT IS VERY TRUE.

I ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE A OF IMPERVIOUS RATIO THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS ACTUALLY FAIRLY LOW FOR A PROJECT OF 15 ACRES. SO WE DON'T HAVE FINAL PLANS CLEARLY BUT WE HAVE STUDIED THIS, THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE ABOUT 4 OR SO FOOT VERTICAL STORAGE IN OUR POND, AND THAT MAY CHANGE BASED ON OUR FINAL RESULTS AND AS WE ACTUALLY GET INTO THE FULL ENGINEERING, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE PREPARED TODAY TO TALK TO THAT QUESTION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO I THINK YOU GAVE ME HALF THE ANSWER.

>> SPEAKER: I APOLOGIZE. DID YOU ASK FOR AN ELEVATION.

MAYBE AROUND ELEVATION 31 OR 32. WILL BE THE ELEVATION OUT THERE YOU. STILL TO BE DETERMINED.

BUT, YES, AT THIS POINT THAT MAY BE A GOOD PLACE TO START.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND WHAT IS THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY

ITSELF? >> SPEAKER: SO THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO VARY.

AS YOU'RE ON THE WESTERN EDGE OF IT, I THINK WE HAVE SOME ELEVATIONS UP AROUND 29, 30. AND WE'RE GOING TO -- IT DROPS PRECIPITOUSLY DOWN TO ABOUT ELEVATION 25 OR 26 AS YOU GO TO THE EAST. SO THERE'S ABOUT 6, 4 OR 5-FOOT OF FALL ACROSS THE PROPERTY DEPEND ON WHICH POINT YOU'RE GOING TO STAND ON AND MEASURE FROM.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 5 FEET OF FILE ON

AVERAGE ACROSS THE SITE. >> SPEAKER: AS YOU GET TO THE EDGES THAT'LL OBVIOUSLY BE A LOT LESS.

IT WILL BE TAPERED. BUT AS YOU GET INTO SOME OF THE DEEPER POCKETS ON THE PROPERY, YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

THE ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

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WE CAN EITHER HAVE DISCUSSION FIRST OR WE CAN DO A MOTION AND A SECOND AND HAVE DISCUSSION. WHAT WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO DO?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: LET'S HAVE DISCUSSION FIRST.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. AM I RECOGNIZED?

>> MR. MATOVINA: YES, YOU ARE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU.

WELL, I'LL HAVE TO SAY I HAVE THREE MAIN CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, AND THEY REALLY HAVE NOT BEEN ALLEVIATED.

I THINK YOU HAVE A GOOD TEAM THERE PRESENTING THIS AND WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD QUESTIONS FROM ENGINEER AND THE ECOLOGIST, BUT STILL HAVE SOME MAJOR QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE IS ARE THERE ECOLOGICAL AND DRAINAGE CONCERNS ON IT THERE.

I DO BELIEVE THERE'S CYPRESS IN NORTH-CENTRAL PART OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING AT THE AERIAL PHOTO.

CYPRESS HAS A PRETTY DISTINCTIVE SIGNATURE ON AN AERIAL PHOTO, AND I THINK THERE'S A BIG CYPRESS WETLAND POND OUT THERE IN THAT NORTH-CENTRAL AREA. THAT WILL BE ELIMINATED. BUT THE WETLAND TAKING 53%-PLUS OF THIS ENTIRE SITE IS WETLAND AND ALL OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE CONVERTED IS TOO MUCH FOR ME. I JUST -- I THINK THIS IS TRYING TO PUT TOO MANY UNITS ONTO A PIECE OF PROPERTY WHERE IN ORDER TO DO THAT YOU HAVE TO CONVERT EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THE WETLAND OUT THERE. THAT JUST DOESN'T SEEM IN 2022 TO BE A INNOVATE OR ECOLOGICALY RESPONSIBLE DESIGN TO ME.

THAT'S MY OPINION. SECONDLY, TRAFFIC.

YOU HAD A NICE TRIP GENERATION COMPARISON TABLE UP THERE, BUT YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING COMMERCIAL, YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING A SCHOOL.

YOU'RE PROPOSING A DENSE DEVELOPMENT OF 13 UNITS PER ACRE THAT IS GOING TO GENERATE QUITE A BIT OF TRAFFIC.

THAT -- A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO GO ONTO WATSON ROAD.

LET'S FACE IT. PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO GO OUT AND GO DOWN US-1 SOUTH AND TURN AROUND TO GO NORTH.

YOU ADMITTED THAT 80% OF THE PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GO NORTH OUT OF HERE, SO IF I LIVED IN THERE, I'D PROBABLY TRY TO GET OUT ONTO WATSON ROAD, IF I COULD, UNTIL I REALIZED THAT THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH TRAFFIC ON WATSON ROAD, WAY TOO MUCH.

PUTTING A RIGHT TURN LANE THERE MAY ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC, MAYBE 20% OF THAT TRAFFIC, BUT YOU'RE QUEUE LINGTHS LENGTHS ARE ALREADY REALLY LONG OUT THERE. I'VE BEEN IN THEM ON VISITS OUT THERE. SO THAT TRAFFIC IS JUST A MAJOR CONCERN ON WATSON ROAD, EVEN WITH AN IMPROVEMENT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THE IMPROVEMENT TO THAT INTERSECTION DONE BY FDOT, THE COUNTY, AND FDOT, SOMEBODY BEFORE SOMETHING OUT THERE IS APPROVED. WHEN I READ THIS ON THE AGENDA, I WAS THINKING YOU KNOW WE JUST HAD A MAJOR DISCUSSION ON WATSON ROAD ISSUES AND TRAFFIC HERE A MONTH OR SO AGO, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND COULDN'T BELIEVE THIS ONE WAS COMING UP.

THAT WAS ALSO GOING TO DUMP A LOT OF TRAFFIC ONTO WATSON ROAD THAT'S ALREADY WAY OVERBURDENED, GOING WAY WEST AND COMING EAST.

SO I DON'T YOU THIS A RIGHT TURN LANE IS GOING TO DO THAT MUCH FOR YOU. IT WOULD HELP BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO DO THAT. AND THERE'S NO CONCURRENCY REVIEW. IT'S IN REVIEW RIGHT NOW.

I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A BACKUP ON SCHOOL.

I'M NOT THAT CONCERN RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE SCHOOLS, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY REVIEW, NOT BEING COMPLETED. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT COMPLETED BEFORE THIS MOVES FORWARD.

I THINK THIS IS PREMATURE IN REGARD TO THAT.

AND THEN THE DENSITY. I MENTIONED THAT BEFORE.

I THINK 13 UNITS PER ACRE RIGHT HERE, WHEN YOU HAVE TO DESTROY ALL THE WETLAND ON THE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT DENSITY IS TOO HIGH. I REALLY THINK THIS IS -- IT'S JUST TOO MUCH, IT'S TOO SOON. IT'S THE WRONG PLACE, THE WRONG TIME. IT'D LOOB TO SEE CON URNS CURRENCY MOVE FORWARD. I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS TRANSITIONAL. IT WAS STATED US-1 IS GREAT FOR APARTMENT COMPLEXES, AND ALL THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES LOOJ US-1. I CAN ONLY THINK OF ONE HONESTLY ALONG US-1. IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF US-1.

IT'S A SERIES TOWNHOUSES RIGHT THERE, BUT BETWEEN STATE ROAD -- LET'S GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO I-95 ON IEWMPLETS 1, GO FROM I-95 95 UP TO THE INTERSECTION T SOUTH OF WHERE WE'RE SITTING NOW

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I'VE BEEN PLAYING THAT OVER AND OVER IN MY HEAD.

I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHERS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

SO THAT STATEMENT, THIS IS TRANSITIONAL AND US-1 IS GREAT FOR APARTMENT COMPLEXES HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, I DON'T SEE I IT. SO I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS AT THIS TIME. I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT.

UNLESS SOMETHING DRASTICALLY CHANGES MY MIND HERE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENT?

MR. PETER. >> MR. PETER: YES, I HAVE TWO COMMENTS ABOUT THIS. AS DR. HILSENBECK SAID, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, AN NOORTD AMOUNT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ISSUES ON WATSON ROAD, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS PLAN FOR THE INTERSECTION HAS REALLY CHANGED MANY OF THOSE CONCERNS.

I ALSO -- I'M TRYING TO GET MY HEAD AROUND THE INCONSISTENCY OF THE -- OF WHAT I UNDER THE COUNTY COMMISSION VOTED ON LAST WEEK TO PRESERVE 50% OF THE WETLAND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WATSON AND THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS TAKING 100% OF THE WETLAND, AND I JUST THINK THAT IT'S TOO BIG OF AN INCONSISTENCY FOR ME

TO VOTE FOR. >> MR. MATOVINA: MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH DR. HILSENBECK AND MR. PETER. I DO THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD TRANSITION. YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL TO YOUR WEST AND RS-2, RESIDENTIAL. YOU HAVE A DOLLAR GENERAL AND ASSISTED LIVING BETWEEN THAT. I THINK THIS IS THE PERFECT PLACE TO PUT CONDOMINIUMS OR APARTMENTS.

I DISPREE, AND I DO THINK IT'S A TRANSITION.

EVERYTHING THAT THEY STATED AS FAR ASTRACK, THEY'RE TRYING TO ALLEVIATE THE CONCERNS AND I THINK THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

THEY'VE STUDIED I HAD EXTENSIVELY.

THAT'S THE BEST PRESENTATION WE'VE HAD FOR A PROJECT IN THIS AREA. SO FOR THEM TO GO OUT OF POCKET TO TRY AND ALLEVIATE EVERYONE'S CONCERNS REGARDING TRAFFIC AND DRAINAGE, I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL SUPPORT.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. >> MR. MATOVINA: DR. MCCORMICK

DR. MCCORMICK. >> METEOROLOGIST: WELL, I'M GOING TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY I VOTED IN THE PAST ON THIS. I HAVE BEEN UP AND DOWN WATSON ROAD SEVERAL TIMES, AND I'VE ALWAYS COME TO SAME CONCLUSION IN TERMS OF MORE DEVELOPMENT THERE.

I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS PROPOSAL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. MILLER. >> MR. MILLER: I'LL BE BRIEF.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AS A MULTI-USE.

IT'S RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF A MAJOR ARTERY, NORTH-SOUTH.

THINKING THIS IS GOING TO STAY THE CURRENT ZONING NOT REALISTIC GIVEN THAT MANDATE. IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, SOMEONE'S GOING TO COME IN AND DO COMMERCIAL HERE, AND THERE'S NO TRIP GENERATION MANUAL THAT SHOWS THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE LESS THAN THE TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THESE APARTMENTS.

I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, BUT EVERY OTHER REASONABLE USE OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE WORSE TRAFFIC, SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING. IT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. MR. PIERRE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING

TO SAY? >> MR. PIERRE: THIS IS A TOUGH ONE. I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. WE HAVE HAD SOME CORRESPONDENCE AND PEOPLE HAVE COME UP AND THEY'VE SPOKEN, AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS MUCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AS IT WAS PRESENTED.

IT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH ONE. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY TWO CENTS ON THIS.

MIGHT BE A LITTLE LONGER THAN MR. MILLER.

I DO THINK APARTMENTS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION.

NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, WHEN I LOOK AT THE MAP THAT SHOWS WHERE ALL THE WETLAND ARE, IF YOU WANT TO PRESERVE THE WETLAND, THEN THEY'VE GOT TO PUT ALL THEIR TRAFFIC OUT ONTO WATSON ROAD. WHICH IS WHERE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A DRIVEWAY. AND NUMBER THREE, TO HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY I DON'T THINK IS REALISTIC, AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND WHERE THE WETLAND ARE, AND IF WE WERE GOING TO PROTECT SOME OF THEELL WETLANDS, WHICH PERHAPS THEY SHOULD BE PROTECTED, I'D SAY IT PROBABLY WOULD END UP BEING SOME SORT OF WAREHOUSE INDUSTRIAL USE IS WHAT IT WOULD BE WITH A DRIVEWAY COMING OUT ONTO WATSON ROAD. THIS PROPERTY OWNER HAS A RIGHT TO UTILIZE HIS PROPERTY, AND HE HAS EXCELLENT LAND USE, ABOUT THE BEST LAND USE IN THE COUNTY. UNFORTUNATELY, THE BEST PART OF

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THEY DON'T SWIM. THEY DIG DEEP HOLES UNDERGROUND AND THIS PROPERTY LOOKS REALLY WET TO ME.

I DOUBT THERE'S A GOPHER TORTOISE THAT ACTUALLY LIVES ON THIS PROPERTY. WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS THE FACT THAT TO ACHIEVE WHAT AN APARTMENT DEVELOPER NEEDS TO ACHIEVE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY AT LEAST 180 UNITS TO MAKE IT EFFICIENT AND USUALLY THEY WANT AT LEAST 200 UNITS, THEY HAVE TO FILL 100% OF THE WETLANDS.

AND ALTHOUGH I AM NOT A E COTTAGES OR A BOLINGS, I'VE BEEN DEVELOPING PROPERTIES FOR 30 YEARS, AND THIS PROPERTY REMINDS ME OF PROPERTIES THAT I TYPICALLY WOULD NOT DEVELOP.

AND I WOULD LIKEN IT TO THIS REASON.

IF YOU TAKE A SPONGE AND YOU FILL IT WITH WATER AND YOU POKE YOU ARE YOUR FINGER IN THE MIDDLE, THERE ISN'T A WHOLE LOT OF WATER THAT COMES OUT FROM THE SIDES OF THAT SPONGE.

IF YOU TAKE THAT SPONGE AND YOU DROP A HEAVY BOOK ON TOP OF IT, LIKE 5 FEET OF FILL, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF WATER THAT SQUIRTS OUT FROM THE SIDES OF THAT SPONGE.

THESE TYPES OF SITES ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP AND DRY OUT, AND WE DON'T -- I'M NOT SURE WE REALLY KNOW THE HYDRAULIC IMPACT OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE PILE ALL THIS DIRT UP ON A SITE THAT HAS THIS AMOUNT OF WETLANDS.

SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING TO THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE IS AT SOME POINT THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO PROBABLY BE DEVELOPED, THE OWNER HAS A RIGHT TO DEVELOP IT AND HE HAS GOOD LAND USE.

TODAY I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR DEAL.

IT'S ONLY THE SECOND TIME THAT I HAVE VOTED AGAINST A PROPERTY THAT HAS THE LAND USE AND IS ASKING FOR A USE THAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THAT LAND USE THAT I CAN RECALL, AND I AM VOTING AGAINST IT BECAUSE THERE IS A PROVISION THAT SAYS THAT IFIT DID I TRACTS FROM THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVER NEIGHBORHOOD BY CREATING DEBT RAIMENT FEKSZ AND IMPACTS ON ENVIRONMENT. LY SENSITIVE FEATURES, THEN WE HAVE RIGHT TO SAY THAT IT DOESN'T NOT COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT TODAY.

MR. MLLER. >> MR. MILLER: JUST ON THAT POINT, WE'VE, AND I WANT TO FLESH IT OUT BECAUSE I THINK YOU MADE SOME EXCELLENCE OBSERVATIONS.

WE'VE HEARD EVIDENCE, AND THIS IS A REZONING.

IT'S NOT A LAND USE CHANGE. WE NEED COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT.

IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR TESTIMONY THAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY THAT SUPPORTS THAT THIS ACTIVITY, WITH THE DRAINAGE AND IF TESTIMONY THEY'VE GIVEN, IS GOING TO FLOOD OR CAUSE ANY DETRIMENTAL IMPACT TO ANY NEIGHBORING PROPERTY?

>> MR. MATOVINA: YES. WHEN YOU PUT 5 FEET OF FILL ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY LIKE THIS, WHICH IS -- WHEN THEY SHOWED THOSE PICTURES OFWHERE THEIR WHY IT FALL WOULD BE, TYPICALLY, IF YOU'RE WATER IS HERE, THE DROUGHT FALLING, YOU'RE GOING TO ADD 4 OR 5 FEET TO THAT ELEVATION.

>> MR. MILLER: AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND THIS WILL BE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. CAN IT BE OUR EVIDENCE AS THE BASIS FOR COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE?

>> SPEAKER: I THINK THAT THE BOARD CAN CONSIDER THE WEIGHT AND CREDIBILITY OF THE EVIDENCE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE MR. MATOVINA IS COMING FROM IN HIS EXPERIENCE WITH DEALING WITH CHALLENGING SITES SUCH AS THIS

ONE. >> MR. MILLER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? IF NOT, WE'RE READY TO REGISTER THE VOTE.

WELL, WE NEED A MOTION. WE SHOULD START WITH A MOTION.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION?

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MY MOTION WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 2021-26 MIVO MULTI-FAMILY DEVMENTD PUD SUBJECT TO NINE FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE HAVE A MOWING OF APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS. CENTER A SECOND IN SECOND BY MR. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SO THIS IS EASY.

A NO VOTE SPHO IS TO NOT APPROVE IT HAD WP RECOMMEND OF APPROVAL, A YES VOTE TO RECOMMEND IT FOR APPROVAL.

SO THAT MOTION FAILS 5-2. NOW WE NEED A NEW MOTION

ANYONE? >> DR. HILSENBECK: WHY WHEN IT IS DENIED DO WE NEED A SECOND MOTION?

>> SPEAKER: IF I MAY ANSWER THAT.

I WOULD RECOMMEND A SECOND MOTION EVEN IF IT'S THE REVERSE

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PLANCHTS MR. PETER. >> MR. PETER: MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PUD 2021-26 MIVO MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT PUD SUBJECT TO TEN FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF

REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO I'VE GOT A MOTION AND DENIAL FROM MR. PETERSON.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.

[Staff Reports ]

A NO VOTE IS TO NOT MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT MOTION PASSES 5 TO 2.

ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK TO THE REGULAR

[Agency Reports ]

REPORT? >> SPEAKER: JUST A REMINDER TODAY AGENCY MEMBERS WE DO HAVE OUR SECOND GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP THAT WILL BE ON APRIL 26TH AT 9:00 A.M., AND THE TWO TOPICS AT HAND OR AT LEAST TO BEGIN THE DISCUSSION WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS AND THEN SECONDLY THE MECHANISMS TO COLLECT FUNDING FOR FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN STAFF WILL DO SOME PRESENTATIONS TO ELABORATE MORE ON THOSE TOPICS. AND THEN I'M SURE THERE WILL BE SOME GOOD DISCUSSION. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. ANYTHING FROM THE AGENCY

MEMBERS? >> SPEAKER: MR. MATOVINA, BEFORE WE CLOSE I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE GENTLEMAN NEXT TO ME. THIS IS LEX TAYLOR.

HE IS THE NEWEST ATTORNEY WITH OUR OFFICE, AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT HE WILL BE TAKING OVER THOSE ITEMS THAT COME BEFORE YOU

THAT THE PZA APPROVES. >> MR. MATOVINA: WILL THAT BE

NEXT MEETING? >> SPEAKER: THERE WILL BE A

TRANSITION PERIOD. >> DR. HILSENBECK: WHAT'S YOUR

FIRST NAME? >> SPEAKER: FIRST NAME LEX.

LE-E-X. >> MR. MATOVINA: VERY MANY

WOMEN LANDLORD. >> I WAS MOST RECENTLY THE CITY ATTORNEY THE ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH AND THE SCHOOL BOARD DORN FOR PUTNAM COUNTY. I ALSO HAVE A HISTORY WORKING FOR HILLSBORO COUNTY AS A LEGISLATIVE AIDE.

SO I BRING SOME EXPERIENCE FROM ONE OF THE BIGGER COUNTIES HERE IN THE STATE. I'M EXCITED TO DO THIS.

THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL TO BE

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