[1. COMM 2021-11 Watson Rd Commercial - Site Plan Approval. Construction of 18,000 sf of commercial building with associated parking and stormwater management, subject to site plan approval by the BCC per Ordinance 2017-27.]

THAT WILL BE COMING UP. OKAY.

THANK YOU. NOW I BELIEVE WE ARE PREPARED TO GO INTO ITEM 1 ON WATSON ROAD COMMERCIAL.

>> MR. CHAIR, COULD WE GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REGULAR AGENDAS A AMENDED WITH THE ITEM OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> HENRY DEAN: ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

I FORGOT. I THOUGHT WE TOOK THEM UP ONE AT A TIME. GO FOR A MOTION OF THE REGULAR

AGENDA AS AMENDED. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> HENRY DEAN: A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

IT PASSES 5-0. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE ARE READY.

I THINK WE ARE READY FOR NUMBER ONE.

WHO IS HANDLING NUMBER ONE, IS THE APPLICANT HERE?

YES, MA'AM, GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

I AM NOT SCOTT KNOWLES. I AM STACEY RUIZ.

1 INDEPENDENT DRIVE, JACKSONVILLE, 33202.

WITH DRIVER, MACK FEE AND DEVENIL.

HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY HONOR JOHN JACKS LCC.

YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN WITH SOME CONSTRUCTION PLAN.

WE ARE NOT HERE FOR A REZONING BUT A PIECE OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON WATSON AND U.S. 1 AT THE CORNER THERE AND THIS PROPERTY WAS REZONED FOR COMMERCIAL GENERAL BACK IN 2017.

AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION AND THE HEARING, COMMISSIONER DEAN AND OTHERS BACK THEN REQUESTED SOME SORT OF ASSURANCES THAT THE STORMWATER WOULD BE -- THE STORMWATER PLANT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AND ENGINEERED TO THE CODE AND WANT TO CAP ON THE AMOUNT OF WETLANDS. AND THERE WAS NO SITE PLAN AS A RESULT OF THE REZONING. AS A RESULT OF THAT, REZONING WAS 2017-27. THERE WAS A CONDITION THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE THAT REQUIRED A SITE PLAN TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR APPROVAL FOR THE BOARD TO DETERMINE THAT THERE WERE NO MORE THAN 50% IMPACTS TO THE WETLANDS THAT WERE EXISTING ON THE SITE. AND THAT STORMWATER WAS DESIGNED

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CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, 60406.

THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED WHICH INCLUDES THE SITE PLAN. YOUR STAFF HAS REVIEWED THEM THROUGH COMMENTS AND HAVE DETERMINED THEY DO MEET THE TWO ITEMS -- THE TWO ITEMS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY TO REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF MEETING THOSE TWO CONDITIONS IN THE ORDINANCE SO MY CLIENT CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPING THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL.

DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE SCRIVENER'S ERROR IN THE STAFF REPORT. THE AMOUNT OF WETLAND IMPACTS ON THE SITE ARE 2.38 ACRES. THE STAFF REPORT SAY 2.83.

A CHANGE IN THE NUMBER. A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WHAT IS IN THE STAFF REPORT. I HAVE WITH ME TODAY SCOTT KNOWLES, RED ZONES, BRANDON MARSENIL WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP WHO ARE THE PROJECT'S ENGINEERS AND REPRESENTATIVE FOR DON JACKS LCC, MICHAEL SETSLER AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> HENRY DEAN: QUESTIONS? OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1. ANYBODY WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> CHUCK LEBONOWSKI. I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT -- I JUST HEARD -- TO THE WETLANDS ISSUE.

JUST REAL QUICK THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

THIS IS WATSON ROAD. THIS IS THE LOCATION FOR THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. AFFECTING THE WETLANDS.

THIS IS THE WAY IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW.

THE WETLANDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN IMPACTED.

IF YOU LOOK AT IN HERE, A POND OR WHATEVER.

THEY PLAN ON PUTTING THE BUILDINGS RIGHT FLEW THIS AREA HERE. JUST AS IT SHOWS HERE.

SO YOU GOT THE ENTRANCE OFF OF WATSON ROAD WHICH IS A CONCERN, BECAUSE THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW CANNOT HANDLE THE TRAFFIC THAT IS ALREADY THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE INTERSECTION. SO WHY ARE WE GOING TO HAVE MORE IMPACT TO PEAK TIMES BECAUSE THERE IS A RESTAURANT PLANNED FOR THERE. WHY IS IT THAT WE ARE GOING TO IMPACT WATSON ROAD, A DEFICIENT INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. IT SHOULD NOT BE PUT IN AT THIS TIME BECAUSE OF WATSON ROAD AS WELL AS THE IMPACT TO THE WETLANDS. THAT IS A CONCERN.

WE ARE DESTROYING ENOUGH WETLANDS AS IT IS.

DEFINITELY A MAJOR CONCERN RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, MR. LEBONOWSKI.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 1.

SEEING NONE -- OKAY. >> I AGREE.

ED SLAVIN. EDSLAVI,.COM.

PLEASE REMAND THIS ITEM BACK TO PCP.

WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATORY COMMITTEE LIKE THEY HAD IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.

LIKE THEY HAD IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY LIKE THE '60S AND THE '70S. WETLAND IMPACTS IN EVERY ONE OF OUR MEETINGS. AND THEY ARE NEVER PROPERLY ADDRESSED. STAFF DOESN'T EVEN PRESENT ANY MORE. NOW ON EVERY SINGLE AGENDA ITEM THAT IS LEGISLATION, THE PRESENTATION IS BY THE LOBBYIST.

BY THE LAWYER. BY THE LAND PLANNER.

THE STAFF DOESN'T EVEN SPEAK. THERE IS NO WAY OF THE ALTERNATIVES. NO ONE SPEAKS FOR THE WETLANDS.

OR THE WILDLIFE. OR THE WATER.

THIS IS INSANITY. AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

PLEASE TABLE THIS ITEM. REMAND TO PZB.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. SLAVIN.

ANYONE WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> STACEY ROSE ON BEHALF OF DON JACKS.

WANT TO RESPOND TO THE WETLANDS. WE HAVE A ST. JOHNS RIVER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMIT IN PLACE AND THE PERMITTING OF THE PROJECT HAS GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE NORMAL STEPS AND IT IS CONSISTENT, AGAIN, WITH THE CONDITION IN THE ORDINANCE THAT NO MORE THAN 50% OF THE EXISTING WETLANDS HAVE BEEN IMPACTED SO THE PROJECT IS MEETING ALL OF THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS TO MOVE

FORWARD. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

BACK TO THE BOARD FOR COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION.

ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? >> YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THE QUESTION I HAVE, WHERE THE DRIVEWAY COMES OUT TO WATSON ROAD. WHAT THAT DISTANCE IS.

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AND IS IT -- AND I AM GUESSING SOME OF THE DESIGNS ARE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT MR. LE LEBNOWSKI PUT ON THE SCREEN.

>> IT IS ABOUT 75 FEET. >> OKAY, ANY WAY IT CAN BE

MOVED FARTHER TO THE WEST? >> SCOTT KNOWLES MATTHEW.

WALLED DOE STREET. IF WE MOVE IT ANY FARTHER TO THE WEST, HE WILL IMPACT MORE W WETLAND.

WE PUT THAT DRIVEWAY AS FAR AS WE COULD.

>> THE ONE CONCERN SIEVE STACKING OUT ON U.S. 1.

>> YES, SIR. WE HAVE BEEN VETTED BY TRANSPORTATION WITH THE COUNTY AND ALSO WITH DOT ON THIS.

OUR ENTRANCE ON U.S. 1 IS AS FAR NORTH AS IT COULD POSSIBLY GO FOR DOT AND PLACED IT FAR WEST WITHOUT ANY FURTHER IMPACTS ON

WETLANDS. >> THE ONE IN WATSON GOING TO BE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT OR GOING TO BE --

>> RIGHT NOW RIGHT IN AND DEDICATED FOR A RIGHT OUT AS WELL -- SORRY, NOT RIGHT IN, BUT LEFT OUT.

WE ARE TRYING NOT TO DIRECT TRAFFIC TO THE WEST ON WATSON

ROAD. >> THAT WILL BE A TOUGH EXIT.

>> GOING TO BE A TOUGH EXIT, BUT WE FEEL THAT MOST OF THE TRAFFIC WILL BE WANTING TO GO TO THE U.S. 1, WATSON ROAD INTERSECTION

WHICH IS SIGNALIZED. >> THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

>> JUST THE CHAIR TO STAFF. CAN WE CONFIRM THE SCRIVENER'S ERROR. I KNOW WE HEARD FROM THE ATTORNEY, 2.8 AFFECTED WETLANDS INSTEAD OF 2.83.

>> TREVOR STEVEN, 2.83 OF WETLANDS IMPACTS NOT 2.3.

>> A TRUST BUT VERIFY MOMENT. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GOT

THAT RIGHT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WILL ASK GREG CALDWELL. I KNOW THAT DID NOT SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT AND A CONCERN I HAVE WITH DRAINAGE.

AND I WANT TO HAVE IT CONFIRMED. WE DID LOOK AT THE WYNTON CIRCLE

DRAINAGE IN THE AREA. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER, GREG COLLIER, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.

WE ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR WYNTON CIRCLE IMPROVEMENTS.

60 DAYS LEFT. WE HAVE STAFF ON-SITE INSPECTING THAT PROJECT. THEY WERE THERE MONDAY MORNING TO CHECK CONTINUE TO AFTER THE HEAVY RAINS ON SUNDAY.

AND CONSTRUCTED THE ASPHALT AND THE POND.

AND IT DID FUNCTION AS WE EXPECTED.

>> FUNCTIONALLY CORRECTLY RIGHT. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF WE CAN LET THE AUDIENCE KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT REZONING THIS PROPERTY.

IT IS ZONED COMMERCIAL, JUST AN APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? BACK TO THE BOARD. IS THERE A MOTION.

>> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE COMM 0 2021-11 WATSON ROAD COMMERCIAL, FINDING THAT THE COMMERCIAL PLANS APPLY WITH ZONING CONDITIONS A AND B OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2017-27. THE COMMERCIAL PLAN IS SUBJECT TO ALL OTHER APPLICABLE LAND CODE RESERVATIONS AND PERMITTING

REQUIREMENTS. >> SECOND.

>> HENRY DEAN: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

[2. Marsh Landing Report. On December 22, 2021, the Board of County Commissioners directed the County Attorney to engage the services of attorney Wayne Flowers of Lewis, Longman and Walker, to examine the County ordinances to determine what requirements the County imposed related to drainage and stormwater systems for developments such as Marsh Landing at the time construction began on the project, as well as any applicable standards included in any County ordinances adopted after initiation of construction at Marsh Landing. Mr. Flowers' report is attached]

PLEASE VOTE ON NUMBER 1. THAT PASSES 5-0.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE ARE READY TO GO TO ITEM 2. AND I AM GOING TO CALL ON MIG ANYTHING TO PRESENT THIS EYE -- DAVID MIGUT TO PRESENT THIS ITEM

AND GO TO OUR SPEAKER. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

THIS SAN UPDATE ON THE MARSH LANDING REPORTS ON YOUR DECEMBER 22, 2021 REGULAR BOARD MEETING. YOU ALL DIRECTED MY OFFICE TO ENGAGE THE SERVICES OF ATTORNEY WAYNE FLOWERS WITH LEWIS, LONGMAN AND WALKER TO EXAMINE THE COUNTY ORDINANCES TO

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DETERMINE WHAT REQUIREMENTS OF COUNTY CODE APPLY TO THE DRAINAGE AND STORMWATER SYSTEMS WITH ISSUES WITH THE MARSH LANDING DEVELOPMENT IN PONTE VEDRA.

MR. FLOWERS HAVE RESEARCHED THIS MATTER AND PROVIDED A MEMO TO YOU. HE IS HERE AND WILL GIVE YOU A BRIEF PRESENTATION AND IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MR. WAYNE FLOWERS.

>> HENRY DEAN: GOOD MORNING, WAYNE.

>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASSIST YOU ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. MY TASK AS I UNDERSTOOD IT WAS TO EXAMINE THE ORDINANCES THAT RELATES TO DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAVE BEEN IN EFFECT FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR THE PERIOD PROCEEDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF MARSH LANDING AND THE PERIOD AFTER THAT. AND TO OFFER SOME GUIDANCE ON WHICH ORDINANCES APPLY TO CERTAIN OF THAT CONSTRUCTION PROONDZ VIED INFORMATION ON THE CRITERIA THAT ARE IN THOSE ORDINANCES AND COUPLE OF SPECIFIC CRITERIA A CONCERN OF SOME CITIZENS WHETHER THEY APPLY OR NOT APPLY.

FOCUS ON UNITS 5-9 OF MARSH LANDING.

BUT THE MEMO INDIRECTLY FOR REASONS I WILL ADDRESS WILL SHOW WHAT ORDINANCES APPLY TO OTHER PHASES AS WELL.

AND AS I POINT OUT IN THE MEMO, I AM NOT AN ENGINEER.

AND SO DID NOT SEE MY TASK AND CERTAINLY NOT QUALIFIED TO COMMENT ON THE COMPLIANCE OF WHATEVER HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED WITH -- EITHER THESE ORDINANCES OR OTHER REGULATIONS, ASSOCIATION, THE ST. JOHNS RIVER MANAGEMENT PERMITTED BY THAT AGENCY OR TO LOOK AT THE COMPETING CONTENTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS OR HAS BEEN DONE AND WHAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE THERE AND SAY WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS WRONG. BUT, AGAIN, TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCES THAT APPLY AND THEN YOU -- WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF YOU AND YOUR STAFF TO LOOK AT WHETHER THERE IS COMPLIANCE OR THERE HAS NOT BEEN COMPLIANCE. AS THE MEMO POINTS OUT, THERE ARE THREE ORDINANCES THAT HAVE BEEN IN EFFECT DURING THE PERIOD OF INTEREST HERE. THE FIRST ONE WAS ORDINANCE 78-38 WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN JUNE OF 1978.

SECOND IS ORDINANCE 86-4 WHICH IS ADOPTED IN JANUARY 1986.

AND THE LAST IS ORDINANCE 99-51 WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 1999 AND IS THE COUNTY'S CURRENT ORDINANCE ON DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS. EACH OF THESE ORDINANCE HAS GRANDFATHERING PROVISIONS AND DESCRIBED IN THE MEMO THAT ESSENTIALLY ALLOW CONTINUED WORK UNDER THE PRIOR ORDINANCE IF CERTAIN FACTORS ARE -- EXIST. TYPICALLY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN PERMITTED AND CONSTRUCTION HAS BEGUN BEFORE THE NEW ORDINANCE WENT INTO EFFECT. THE 1978 ORDINANCE WAS IN EFFECT WHEN PHASES 5-9 OF MARSH LANDING WAS COMMENCING.

AND MY JUDGE NUMBER THE MEMO, THAT ORDINANCE AND THE REQUIREMENTS IN THAT ORDINANCE IS WHAT APPLIED TO THOSE PHASES.

THERE ARE DRAINAGE STANDARDS IN THE 1978 ORDINANCE.

THEY ARE SOMEWHAT GENERAL, AND THEY RELATE PRIMARILY TO ROADWAY DRAINAGE. AGAIN, THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CRITERIA HAVE EVOLVED, BECOME MORE COMPLETE AND MORE COMPLEX AS THE SUBSEQUENT ORDINANCES HAVE BEEN ADOPTED.

BUT THE 78 ORDINANCES I INDICATED IS GENERAL CRITERIA AND INCORPORATES BY REFERENCE THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION DRAINAGE MANUAL. THE DEPARTMENT PRODUCES A DRAINAGE MANUAL THAT IS PERIODICALLY UPDATED, STILL EXISTS TO THIS DAY AND USED BY THE DEPARTMENT FOR CONTRACTORS AND THEIR OWN WORK AND CONSTRUCTION OF THEIR DRAINAGE FACILITY. THE REFERENCE TO THE FDOT DRAINAGE MANUAL IN THE '78 ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THE DESIGN OF -- A SYSTEM THAT IS CREATED UNDER THAT ORDINANCE WHICH WAS A SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE SHOULD EQUAL OR EXCEED THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES INCLUDING IN THE FDOT DRAINAGE MANUAL.

AGAIN, THERE AREN'T A LOT OF VERY DETAILED STANDARDS IN THAT I THINK IT ORDINANCE. LIKE DESIGN STORM REQUIREMENTS AND OTHER THINGS YOU SEE IN MODERN ORDINANCES.

AND, AGAIN, ONE WOULD NEED TO CONSULT THE FDOT DRAINAGE MAN

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ANNUAL CONJUNCTION OF THE ORDINANCE TO SEE WHAT IS REQUIRED UNDER THAT. TWO PICK POINTS I ADDRESS IN THE MEMO BECAUSE THEY WERE RAISED BY POINTS OF CONCERN FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS. ONE OF THOSE IS, IT IS MY OPINION AND I EXPLAINED WHY THAT THE '78 ORDINANCE DID NOT REQUIRE CURB AND DRAINAGE. CURB AND GUTTER DRAINAGE FOR MARSHLANDS. PHASES 5-9.

AND THE OTHER POINT IS, THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR SIDE OF PONDS. THAT IS ANOTHER POINT THAT IS A POINT OF CONCERN WHETHER THE PONDS CONSTRUCTED THERE, THE SIDE SLOPES, MEET CERTAIN CITERIA.

THERE AREN'T ANY CRITERIA IN THE '78 ORDINANCE FOR THOSE.

THERE ARE CERTAINLY CRITERIA THAT ARE IMPLEMENTED BY THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

AGAIN, OUR FOCUS IS ON WHAT THE COUNTY REQUIRES.

THE 1986 ORDINANCE, AGAIN, AS I SUGGESTED CONTAINS MORE DETAILED CRY TERRY OF THE '78 ORDINANCE. HAS THE GRANDFATHER PROVISION.

THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. PERMITTING BEGUN ON A PROJECT -- CONSTRUCTION AND PERMITTING HAS BEGUN, THE '86 ORDINANCE DOES NOT COMPLY AND PHASES 5-9 AND THE PERMITTING HAS BEEN DONE A GOOD BIT EARLIER THAN THE 86 ORDINANCE.

86 ORDINANCE DOES NOT COMPLY. THE '78 DOES.

'86 ORDINANCE AS I SAID HAS MORE DETAILED CRITERIA AND REFERENCES THE FDOT DRAINAGE MANUAL AND INCORPORATES THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES INTO THE ORDINANCE AND THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY RIVER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. AND OF THE '78, DESIGN ELEMENTS MUST EQUAL OR EXCEED THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT'S CRITERIA AND THE FDOT DRAINAGE MANUAL. THE LAST ORDINANCE IS THE 1999 ORDINANCE THE CURRENT DRAINAGE ORDINANCE CONTAINS A COMPLETE CRITERIA WITH REGARD TO DRAINAGE SYSTEMS AND COMPLIES TO PROJECTS THAT WERE PERMITTED AFTER AND CONSTRUCTION BEGUN AFTER THE ADOPTED -- ITS ADOPTION AND WHEN IT SUPERSEDED THE '86 ORDINANCE.

CONSTRUCTED AND PERMITTED IS OPERATED AND MAINTAINED IN PERFORMANCE OF THE DESIGN CRITERIA IT WAS ISSUED UNDER.

IT MAY BE MAIN TANNED. DOESN'T HAVE TO CHANGE TO MEET NEW CRITERIA AS NEW CRITERIA ARE ADOPTED OR NEW ORDINANCES ARE ADOPTED. THE '99 ORDINANCE, HOWEVER, DOES HAVE A PROVISION IF YOU ALTER OR RECONSTRUCTION THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND DEFINITION OF THOSE TERMS THAT ORDINANCE AND THEN IN THAT OCCASION, THE RECONSTRUCTING SYSTEM, THE ALTERED SYSTEM, MUST MEET THE CURRENT CRITERIA IN THIS CASE IS THE 1999 ORDINANCE. THE 1999 ORDINANCE DOES HAVE, AS I SAID, MORE DETAILED CRITERIA. SIDE SLOPE CRITERIA FOR RETENTION PONDS THAT DID NOT EXIST IN THE PRIOR ORDINANCE, THE '78 ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY. SO AS -- IF AN ISSUE ARISES AND, AGAIN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN PERMITS ISSUED BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OPINION AND TO THE SYSTEM, A QUESTION WHETHER ANY OF THAT WORK AS IT APPLIES TO THE PORTION THAT WERE PERMITTED UNDER THE '78 ORDINANCE CONSTITUTES ORGANIZATION WHICH IS A JUDGMENT THAT STAFF HAS TO MAKE. AND ULTIMATELY IN THE BIGGER PICTURE, TO THE EXTENT OR THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE -- ANY PARTICULAR FEATURES OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM MARSH LANDING PHASES 5-9 MEET THE 1978 ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT ULTIMATELY IS A CODE ENFORCEMENT JUDGMENT THAT WOULD REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT AND MAKE A DETERMINATION, YOU KNOW, PART BY PART.

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DOES IT MEET THE '78 CRITERIA? AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, REMEDIATION IN ORDER TO GET TO AND MEET THOSE CRITERIA. THE LAST THING I WILL MENTION AND I SAID I HAD AN INQUIRY, I THINK, FROM ONE RESIDENT WHO INDICATESED THAT THE PHASE OF THE PROJECT THAT HER RESIDENCE WAS IN WAS PERMITTED. PLATTED AND CONSTRUCTED AFTER 1986. AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN THE '86 ORDINANCE WILL APPLY. I THINK ALL PHASES OF THIS CERTAINLY WERE CONSTRUCTED AND PERMITTED PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE '99 ORDINANCE. BUT TO THE HE CAN TENT PHASE AS THAT WERE PLATTED, PERMITTED AN CONSTRUCTION BEGAN AFTER 1986.

AFTER JANUARY 1986. THE '86 ORDINANCE WILL APPLY AND THE SAME INQUIRY THINK THAT MENTIONED EARLIER WILL OCCUR.

A GENERAL SUMMARY OF WHAT IS IN THE MEMO.

I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AND I KNOW YOU HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS.

>> HENRY DEAN: LET ME ASK OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS POINT OR HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND HEAR THE DISCUSSION. THAT IS MY PREFERENCE.

EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YOU MAY NOT BE COMPLETELY DONE THIS MORNING, BUT BEFORE YOU LEAVE NOW, I WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT AN EXCELLENT JOB, WAYNE. I AM OUT IN APPROACHING HAVING A RUDIMENTARY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAST 30 YEARS OF ORDINANCES OF CONSTRUCTION, CODES AND IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO UNRAFFLE BUT YOU DID EXACTLY WHAT I HOPED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

> THANK YOU, AND I AM NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

>> HENRY DEAN: OKAY. WE ARE GOING -- BEFORE ANYONE APPROACHES THE PODIUM, LET ME TALK OF PUBLIC COMMENT ON ONE MINUTE ON THIS ITEM. THERE HAVE BEEN TWO MAJOR, LET'S SAY, GROUPS. ONE, A GROUP OF HOMEOWNERS, AND ONE, THE MASTER HOA BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

AND IN LOOKING AT THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS ISSUE AND THE REQUESTS THINK THAT RECEIVED, THE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS BEEN SPENDING AN INORDINATE A AMOUNT OF TIME, I DON'T KNOW HUNDREDS OF HOURS OR THOUSANDS OF HOURS. I DON'T KNOW AND BE REQUESTED THAT BE GIVEN TEN MINUTES, NO MORE THAN TEN MINUTES TO SPEAK.

AND I ALSO MADE THAT SAME OFFER TO THE HOA REPRESENTATIVES.

THE MASTER HO A. WHAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE AND WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED ON IS HEAR FROM MR. HINSLEY AND ANYBODY ELSE AS A WITNESS IN THAT T TEN-MINUTE PERIOD.

AND IF THEY CHOOSE TO USE TEN MINUTES, THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND MASTER. AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENT WITH THE THREE-MINUTE RULE. EVERYBODY ON BOARD? MR. HINSLY, DO YOU PREVIOUS TO PRESENT?

[INAUDIBLE] >> HENRY DEAN: WHEN YOU ARE READY, GIVE ME A HIGH SIGN. ALL RIGHT, THE FIRST PUBLIC SPEAKER. THE FIRST THREE-MINUTE SPEAKER SHOULD APPROACH THE PODIUM AND WE WILL HAVE A CLOCK ON THREE

MINUTES. >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS ANA QUINONES 7208 K OAKMONT COURT ON PONTE VEDRA BEACH. I AM A RESIDENT OF MARSH LA G LANDING. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS TODAY. SO MARSH LANDING HIRED AN ENGINEER SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO COME AND LOOK AT THE SYSTEM.

AND I AM SPEAKING OF HOA 2. THAT IS WHERE I LIVE.

SO THAT WAS WALLACE ENGINEERING AND IDENTIFY AND INVENTORY THE EXISTING DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS REPORT THEY PUT OUT WAS ACTUALLY DATED APRIL 11, 2016 WHICH WAS SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE MATTHEW HIT.

THE ENGINEER STATED, QUOTE, LIKE HOA 1, THERE WERE TWO DEPRESSIONS IN RESIDENTS FRONT AND SIDE YARDS OR ALONG INTERNAL ROADWAYS FOR DRAINAGE CON E CONVEYANCE.

SO THEY ALSO ADDED THAT NO REPAIRS TO HOA 2 INFRASTRUCTURE WAS APPARENT DURING THE INSPECTION.

ONE OF THE THIS THINGS THAT THEY CITED WAS A FLAPPER VOLVE ON LINK SIDE. THE FLAPPER GATE ON THE GOLF COURSE ON THE SOUTH END OF LINK SIDE CIRCLE IS MISSING AND NEEDS IMMEDIATE REPLACEMENT. THAT IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE.

THE ENGINEER RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS AND OR MAINTENANCE.

THOSE ARE THE FOLLOWING AND A QUOTE, UPON ANALYZING THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM AT HOA 2, IT APPEARS THAT MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS

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WILL BE NEEDED TO IMPROVE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE SYSTEM AND THUS BETTER THE RESIDENTS' QUALITY OF LIFE.

CATCH BASINS WITH CULVERTS SHOULD BE ADDED AT LOW POINTS ALONG THE EXISTING ROADS FOR CONVEYANCE OF RUNOFF TO THE PONDS. AND ALTERNATE SOLUTION WILL BE ATTEMPT TO RECONSTRUCT THE SWALES PER THE ORIGINAL DRAINAGE DESIGN. HOWEVER, IT IS OUR OPINION THAT THIS WILL BE MORE COSTLY, DISRUPTIVE AND LEAD TO THE SAME SITUATIONS THAT EXIST TODAY. SO ONE THING THAT IS A POINT OF CONTENTION IS SWALES. I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE NO SWALES. NO SWALES ON THE ROAD AND NOT SWALES ON THE PROPERTY LINES. AND I HAVE -- I HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES. THE OTHER ISSUE THAT IS GOING ON IS WE ARE NOW EXPERIENCING A LOT OF POWER OUTAGES AND THIS HAS HAPPENED TO OUR PARTICULAR HOUSE A COUPLE OF TIMES AND WATER IS GETTING INTO THE ELECTRICAL BOXES AND SHORTING IT OUT.

SO THE BEACH'S ENERGY HAS TO COME OUT AND DRAIN THE BOXES.

AND IN SOME CASES, THEY HAVEN'T WORKED ON THEM BECAUSE IT IS DANGEROUS. I AM SURE THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT ELECTROCUTION RISK. SO THIS IS -- THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE IS MY YARD HERE. MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD HERE.

THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE. ALL OF THESE ARE ELECTRICAL BOXES, PLUMBING, THAT SORT OF THING.

>> MISS QUINONES. THAT IS YOUR THREE MINUTES.

THE NEXT PERSON. WE ARE OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 2. APPROACH THE PODIUM AND WAIT AT

THE OPPOSING PODIUM. >> MARILYN MCCA FEE.

I LIVE IN MARSH LANDING ON DEER TRACE DRIVE.

I MOVED INTO THIS COMMUNITY MARSH LANDING FOR MY RETIREMENT.

I LOVED IT, BUT ISN'T ANY ONE OF US WHO BOUGHT PROPERTY THERE THAT DID NOT FEEL ASSURED THAT THE DRAINAGE WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF, THAT WE WOULD NOT FLOOD. I LIVED BETWEEN -- BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE POND. THERE IS NO DRAINAGE BETWEEN THAT ROAD AND THE POND AND ALL OF THE WATER TRAVELING FROM THE ROAD TO THE POND GOES THROUGH MY PROPERTY.

ON THE OTHER HAND, CONCURRENTLY, IF THE WATER LEVEL IS HIGH ENOUGH AS IT WAS IN THE CASE AFTER MATTHEW, THEN THE WATER FROM THE BOND DROWNED MY PROPERTY FROM THE REAR.

SO I GOT UP FROM BOTH SIDES. AND I THINK THE FACT THAT I HAVE APPEALED TO MARSH LANDING, THERE HAS NOTHING BEEN DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS APPROPRIATE DRAINAGE FROM THE ROAD OR THAT THE PONDS AS THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE LOWERED WERE FUNCTIONING PROPERLY. THE FIRST PERSON WHO COMMENTED ABOUT THE ABILITY OF THEM TO RAISE IT OR LOWER THE PONDS IF THERE ARE THREATENING STORMS THAT MIGHT OCCASION HIGH WATERS.

SO BOTH INSTANCES, MARSH LANDING FAILED TO DO THE PROPER THING. AND AS A CONSEQUENCE, MY HOUSE FLOODED. MY WHOLE PROPERTY FLOODED.

IT WAS NOT JUST THE FLOODING BUT ALL OF THE POND WATER CAME INTO THE BACK YARD AND IT WAS VERY -- VERY POLLUTED I HAVE TO TELL YOU. SO I HAD THAT PROBLEM WITH DEAL WITH, AS WELL AS THE WATER ITSELF.

MY CAREER WAS FOREST SERVICE. I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT ENGINEERING, BUT I CERTAINLY ASSUMED THAT BUYING THIS HOUSE, I WOULD NOT BE FLOODED. I THINK ALL OF US IN MARSH LANDING UNDERSTOOD THAT WOULD BE THE CASE.

SO THANK YOU FOR HEARING. I HAVE TO SAY THAT IN THE EVENT OF ALL OF THIS FLOODING, MY DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS MY ACCESS TO MY MAILBOX -- I TOLD YOU I LIVE BETWEEN THE POND AND THE ROAD.

I FELL ON THAT ROAD AFTER THE FLOODING.

IT WAS PRETTY DEEP. I COULDN'T STAND UP.

AND BECAUSE I HAVE HAD NOTHING TO HOLD ON TO STAND UP AND I HAD SOME -- HAD A KNEE REPLACEMENT, SO I HAD TO CRAWL ON MY BUTT AS

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IT WERE TO MY GARAGE TO GET IN. >> YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YES, MA'AM.

ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? >> ED SLAVEEN, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS 3084. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK APPLICANT AMBASSADOR MCAFEE AND THE NEUROSURGEON AND EVERYBODY THAT CAME OUT FROM MARSH LANDING. THIS IS SYMPTOMATIC OF DRAINAGE PROBLEMS IN 33 COMMUNITY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

AND OF THE INDIFFERENCE FROM THE STAFF AND INDIFFERENCE BY THE COMMISSIONERS GOING BACK DE S DECADES.

ROBERT KENNEDY USED TO TELL HIS STAFF, DON'T TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD HAVE DONE, TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD DO NOW.

THROUGH THE CHAIR I WILL LIKE TO ASK LEARNED COUNSELOR MR. F R FLOWERS TO ELUCIDATE WHAT OPTION THE COUNTY AND LANDOWNERS HAVE IN TERMS OF NEGLIGENCE AND IN TERMS OF NUISANCE.

BECAUSE I THINK THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DESCRIBED IN MARSH CREEK ARE A PUBLIC NUISANCE.

AND ANYTHING THAT THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY CAN DO IN TERMS OF A REMEDY UNDER FLORIDA PUBLIC NUISANCE LAW WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS STARR STATUTORY AND NOT COMMON NUISANCE, PERHAPS WE WOULD HEAR WITH IT. PERHAPS YOU ASK MR. FLOWERS TO DISCUSS REMEDIES AND NUISANCE AND NEGLIGENCE.

AS A GRADUATES FROM THE SCHOOL IN GEORGETOWN.

I SUPPORT AMBASSADOR MCAFEE AND THAT SHE HAD TO FALL DOWN AND CRAWL THROUGH THIS WATER AND BE SUBJECTED TO THE HORRIBLE CONDITIONS -- ALL THE NEIGHBORS HAD TO BE SUBJECTED TO THE HORRIBLE CONDITIONS IN 33 DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. DO I UNDERSTAND AT ONE TIME THE COUNTY ENGINEER THAT APPROVED ONE OF THESE PLANS WASN'T EVEN AN ENGINEER? WASN'T EVEN AN ENGINEER? AND THAT THE DEVELOPERS WHO GIVE MONEY TO ALL OF YOUR CAMPAIGNS, BASICALLY, THEY TURN THEIR BACK ON THESE PEOPLE.

THEY SELL THEM LOVELY HOMES, AND THEN THEY WALK AWAY AND CREATE THESE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS OR HOAS AND SAID IT IS NOT US, IT IS THEM. BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WAY WITH LEARNED COUNCIL INCLUDING MR. MIGUT AND MR. FLOWERS.

HOW DO WE PIERCE IN CORPORAL VEIL.

HOW DO WE EXPOSE WHAT OCCURRED HERE.

TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD HAVE DONE, BUT TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO DO NOW. WE NEED TRANSPARENCY AND COMBAT THESE DEVELOPERS, NAMELESS, FATELESS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THEM OR WHO THE BENEFICIAL OWNERS AND INVESTORS ARE IN SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.

SOME OF THEM ARE RUSSIAN FUNDED. FUNDED BY SAUDI ARABIA AND RUSSIA OR OTHER COUNTRIES. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE. AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION NEEDS TO BE A TRIBUNE FOR THE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF THE DOORMAT.

I COMMEND THE NEIGHBORS AND ALSO THAT WORLD-CLASS NEUROSURGEON HAD TO BAIT AROUND SIX HOURS BECAUSE OF THE BLOCKER RULE THAT REQUIRE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE NONAGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.

HE HAD TO WAIT AROUND ALL DAY. CAN WE CHANGE THAT RULE.

>> ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA NUMBER

2? >> GOOD MORNING, DEBRA COLTON, 2406 DEER TRACE IN MARSH LANDING.

I LIVED HERE SINCE 2003. MARSH LANDING IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE AND TO RAISE CHILDREN.

MAJOR FLOODING AND DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT HAMPERED OUR COMMUNITY FOR YEARS. WE HAVE BEGGED, PLEADED AND TRIED EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO GET SOMEONE TO HELP US.

TO THIS DAY, NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE.

I AM HOPEFUL THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL HELP THE RESIDENTS OF MARSH LANDING BY ENFORCING THE ORDINANCES PUTS IN PLACE FOR SAFETY REASONS TO HELP PROTECT THE RESIDENTS.

THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE HERE TODAY THAT ARE FAR MORE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS THAN I HAVE BEEN AND I HAVE BEEN DEEPLY AFFECTED PERSONALLY AND ASK FOR YOUR HELP TO GET THESE FLOODING AND DRAINAGE ISSUES RESOLVED AND MOVED ON, A TOTAL OF 1077 IN MARSH LANDING COMMUNITY, 410 HOMES AND 31 STREETS IN OUR COMMUNITY DO NOT HAVE ANY START OF ROAD DRAINAGE THAT TAKE CARE OF THE ROAD WATER. IN 1978, THE ST. JOHNS ORDINANCE, THE DEVELOPER SHOULD HAD SOME SORT OF DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE ROADS TO TAKE CARE OF THE ROAD WATER.

MR. FLOWERS LEGAL OPINION STATES THAT SWALES AND LIMITS SHOULD BE BUILT ON THE ROAD AND NO SUCH THING WAS EVER BUILT.

NO ROADSIDE SWALES, PIPES OR DRAIN THAT MOVE TO THE INT T

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INTERSECTED PONDS. WHEN IT RAINS MY DRIVEWAY FLOODS AND WHEN THE WATER GOES ON MY PROPERTY.

EVEN WHEN THE RAIN STOPS, IT POSES A DANGER.

I SLIPDZ AND FALLEN ON MY DR DRIVEWAY TEN DIFFERENT OCC S OCCASIONS. TURNED MY AC OFF.

BROKEN MY LEG AND SHOULDER FROM FALLING.

I LIVE IN NEAR CONSTANT FEAR OF FALLING AND INJURING MYSELF JUST TO GET THE MAIL. A CONTRACTOR CAME TO MY HOME IN DECEMBER 2021 TO LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE AND HE ENDED UP FALLING IN THE SAME PLACE THINK THAT D DID, FRACTURING HIS SPINE.

I AND OTHER SENIOR CITIZENS CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT HAVE TO LIVE LIKE THIS. WE NEED THE ROAD DRAINAGE DEALT WITH, AND CERTAINLY MISSED WHEN THE SUBDIVISION WAS BUILT AND PAYING THE PRICE FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S NEGLIGENCE.

THE PONDS BEHIND MY HOMES ARE ALSO A SAFETY HAZARD.

I LOST MY BELOVED DOG IN THE POND AND SHE FELL IN AND I WAS UNABLE TO SAVE HER. MY HUSBAND FELL INTO THE POND AND A MIRACLE HE DID NOT DROWN. THE POND BERMS ARE 3.5 FEET AND ONLY 1.2 FEET ALLOW FOR THE PONDS TO OVERFLOW.

THE SIDE SLOPES OF THE PONDS ARE COMPOSED TO BE FOUR TO ONE SIDE SLOPE BUT NOWHERE NEAR THAT. THIS IS WHERE MY DOG DROWNED AND MY HUSBAND FELL INTO THE POND AND ALMOST DROWNED.

WHEN YOU FALL INTO THE POND, YOU FALL STRAIGHT DOWN INTO THE WATER INSTEAD OF A FLAT FOUR TO ONE SIDE SLOPE SERVICE.

I AM ASKING ALL FIVE OF YOU TODAY VOTE YES TO REQUIRE MARSH LANDING TO FIX THE ROAD FL G FLOODING, THE BERMS OF THE PONDS AND THE SIDE SLOPES BEFORE SOMEONE DIES.

THE SENIOR CITIZENS OF MARSH LANDING ARE VERY SCARED TO S K SPEAK. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MA'AM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, ALL.

>> I CAN ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM?

>> HELLO, MELISSA FISHER. 237 LINK SIDE CIRCLE.

I WANTED TO FINISH THE PICTURES OF MRS. QUINONES.

THE ELECTRICAL BOXES ON HER PROPERTY LINE AND ELECTRIC COMPANY DRAINING THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BEFORE THEY GO AND DO THE WORK. OTHER ELECTRICAL BOXES THAT ARE AROUND MARSH LANDING THAT SHOW THEY CAN'T BE WORKED ON BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDER WATER. AND I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THOSE WHO YOU GUYS COULD SEE. I AM THE LADY THAT FLORIDA FLOWERS SPOKE OF THAT LIVES IN UNIT 14 DEVELOPED AFTER THE 1986 ORDINANCE. TO RECORD A SUBDIVISION PLAT KNOWN AS MARSH LANDING AT S SAWGRASS UNIT 14.

THAT WAS DONE AS YOU CAN SEE IN '88.

IT WAS AFTER THE '76 ORDINANCE. TO IT WAS APPROVED IN '88.

SO MY ORDINANCE TO FOLLOW WOULD BE FOR '86 ORDINANCE.

MY HOUSE YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN MANY PICTURES OF.

I HAVE NOT BROUGHT MORE PICTURES FOR YOU ACTUAL LOOK AT.

THE INGRESS AND EGRESS IS -- YOU CAN'T -- THERE IS NO INGRESS OR EGRESS. THE WATER GOES ALL THE WAY INTO MY GARAGE. I AM BLOCKED FROM THE ROAD.

.> MIDDLE OF ROAD.

STARTS WHAT WILL BE THE CROWN AND ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE AUTHORITY WHERE THERE IS A GOLF COURSE BEHIND ME BACK T E THERE. AND BECOMES ONE BIG POND.

IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. WE PUT IN -- IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO DRAIN ALL THE WATER FROM THE EX-TIRE ROAD WHATSOEVER AND PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT MINE THINK THAT DON'T OWN THAT EFFECT ME WHATSOEVER. AS YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A PERMIT THAT IS COMPRISED OF ROAD SIDES -- THIS SYSTEM IS OF ROADSIDE SWALES, STORMWATER INLET'S AND STORMWATER PIPES TO 17 INTERCONNECTED LAKES WHICH ARE INTERPERCENTED ALONG THE FIRST NINE HOLES OF THE GOLF COURSE PER THE DEVELOPMENT.

THERE WAS -- RIGHT HERE THE PERMIT AS I AM STATING, THE LINKS, THE ROADSIDE SWALES AND DRAINAGE PIPES TO THE POND HAS NOT AND TO BE CONSTRUCTED. THE DISTRICT RECEIVED MULTIPLE REPORTS OF FLOODING DUE TO AN ADEQUATE FUNCTIONAL CONVEYANCE SYSTEM. WE ARE REQUESTING A CONVEYANCE SYSTEM. '86 ORDINANCE REQUIRES AS BUILT, UNIT 14. SO THERE IS NO ASSURANCES THAT ANYTHING WAS BUILT OR MAI D MAINTAINED.

I KNOW THIS IS FOR DISTRICT BUT THE ORDINANCE AS WELL FOR ST.

JOHN. MR. FLOWERS CAN ANSWER IT ST.

JOHNS COUNTY FOR ARIZONA-BUILT AND THERE IS NONE.

AND ANOTHER ONE BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION AND BASED ON THE DISCUSSION FROM THE DER. BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WITH THE CONSULTANT, SWALES ARE ONLY BUILT ALONG TPC NOT THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT AS INDICATED HOWEVER SHEET 40 WHICH IS MISSING FROM

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THE COUNTY. WE CANNOT FIND SHEET 40 THAT THE PLAN HAS ALL ROADWAY ALSO HAVE ROADWAY SWALES.

ROADSIDE SWALES. SORRY.

MR. MIGUT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

JUST AS A FRIENDLY REMINDER IF YOU PRESENT OVERHEAD MATERIAL HAND IT OVER TO THE CLERK OF THE COURT FOR THE RECORD.

>> HI, NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 NECK ROAD.

CHAIR OF THE SOIL AND CONSERVATION DISTRICT.

BEFORE I TALK ABOUT MARSH LANDING, I WANT TO QUICKLY CLARIFY SOMETHING AND A LOT OF CONFUSION RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE DISTRICT THAT I AM ELECTED TO. PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IF WE EXIST.

BUT OUR OWN HUDSON PASSED A BILL FOR THE GOVERNOR.

AND DISTRICT. AND WE ARE ALIVE AND HANG BAYING THREAD. FORGIVE ME FOR DIGRESSING FOR A MOMENT THERE. ANYWAY, I AM REALLY HAPPY THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS TAKEN STEPS TODAY TO BRING IN ATTORNEY FLOWERS AND WEIGH IN ON THIS ISSUE.

HE DID A TREMENDOUS JOB EVEN A LAYPERSON AS OF MYSELF CAN FULLY UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL ISSUES HE HAS BROUGHT OUT.

I RULE TO LIE HOPE IF YOU VOTE OR TAKE A MOTION, WHATEVER YOUR NEXT STEPS ARE TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE THAT YOU LISTEN TO TODAY.

I HAVE BEEN HEARING FOR THEM FOR A YEAR NOW.

I HAVE HEARD FROM ABOUT 30 OF THEM.

ACTUALLY FIRST HEARD FROM ME ABOUT IT ON FEBRUARY 10.

I WROTE A VERY LENGTHY LETTER ACTUALLY ABOUT -- IT WAS TITLED "UNRESOLVED ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AND SAFETY RISKS IN PONTE VEDRA." AND I ENUMERATED THREE ISSUES IN PONTE VEDRA. ONE OF WHICH IS STILL BEING ADDRESS $TO THIS DAY. SO I WILL SUBMIT THIS FOR THE RECORD AND I HOPE THAT THE OTHER TWO ARE STILL GOING TO BE ADDRESSED. BUT I AM REALLY.

REALLY HAPPY THAT THE ATTORNEY HAS BEEN BROUGHT IN AND YOU ARE TAKING THE ISSUES OF KNEES PEOPLE VERY SERIOUSLY.

FRIGHTENING WHAT THEY HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH, AND I HOPE THAT IT WILL BE RESOLVED AND CONCLUDED THAT THEY CAN MOVE WITH THEIR LIVES. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2? MR. CHAIR, AT THIS TIME, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PUT TEN MINUTES ON THE CLOCK.

WAS THAT THE AGREEMENT? >> HENRY DEAN: YES, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU, JAMES HENSLEY, 0 7300 OAKMON COURT.

SORRY FOR BEING SCATTERED TODAY BUT I LOST MY FATHER THEY ARE MORNING AND THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR MARSH LANDING FOR ALL THE SENIOR CITIZENS THAT LIVE HERE. AND SO I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE 1978 ORDINANCE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY WAS SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN FOR AMBULANCE SERVICE TO MAKE SURE THAT AMBULANCES CAN GET TO US. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM ALL THE PICTURES I SENT TO YOU, THE ROAD IS COMPLETELY IMPASSIBLE.

AND PICTURES JUST DO NOT LIE. IT ALSO STATES THAT BUILDING SITES WERE TO DRAIN PROPERLY AND READILY ACCESSIBLE TO EMERGENCY VEHICLES WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIG REASONS WHY IT WAS ACTUALLY WRITTEN. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT MR. F FLOWERS' FANTASTIC OPINION, HE CLEARLY STATES THAT MARSH LANDING DOES QUALIFY FOR THIS ORDINANCE.

AND I WILL MAKE ONE REFERENCE TO HIS POINT.

HE DOLLS A "SUBDIVISION." AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SECOND E PAGE, IT STATES, IN ADDITION ORDINANCE 78-38 UPON COMPLETION OF THE DRAINAGE CONSTRUCTION, A SUBDIVISION SHALL NOT HAVE FLOODING, POOR DRAINAGE, ER N EROSION, OR OTHER DRAINAGE THAT IS DETRIMENT TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC. THAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SUBDIVISION DOESN'T FLOOD AND HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES. WHETHER OR NOT THE NEW PERMIT COMES INTO PLAY OR NOT, IT GIVES YOU THE POWER TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. THE OTHER ISSUE I WILL BRING UP AT THE BOTTOM OF THE 1978 ORDINANCE THAT -- THAT MR. FLOWERS BROUGHT UP FROM 1986 ALSO STATES IF THERE IS ANY KIND OF CONTINUOUSLY -- THEY HAVE TO CONTINUOUSLY MAINTAIN THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION AND DEVELOPER APPROVED BY THE COUNTY FOR THE FACILITIES OF ALL THE DRAINAGE AND FAILURE TO DO SO IS A VIOLATION OF THE CODE OF -- OF 1986 AND 1978.

CLEARLY AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THAT HAS BEEN DEEMED BY ST.

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JOHNS COUNTY RIVER MANAGEMENT THAT MARSH LANDING WAS NOT BUILT CORRECTLY AND NOT MAINTAINED AND THEY ARE THE EXPERTS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA SO THAT FOR MR. FLOWERS HAS BEEN DECIDED AS FAR AS PROFESSIONAL OPINION NEEDED. THAT IS ALREADY DECIDED.

ANOTHER COUPLE OF POINTS THAT HE ACTUALLY BRINGS UP IS THAT THERE WILL BE SWALE ELEMENTS AS HE MENTIONED.

WE CONFIRMED THAT THERE ARE NO SWALES.

I SENT PICTURES TO ALL OF YOU SHOWING NO SWALES ON THE ROAD.

ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE SEWER, ELECTRIC, WATER AND CABLE ON THE WEST SIDE. NO SWALES BUILT.

MARSH LANDING'S OWN ENGINEER STATED THERE WERE NO SITUATION.

THEY WERE NEVER BUILT. THAT IS A FACT AND I CAN'T CHANGE THAT. LAST POINT THAT I WILL BRING UP AND AS YOU SEE HERE, HE STATES THAT THE SWALES RIGHT HERE CON -- CONSTRUCT THE ROADWAYS WITH SWALE ELEMENT.

THAT IS JUST A FACT. THE 1978 ORDINANCE, THEY DID NOT BUILD IT CORRECTLY. IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DECIDED BY ST. JOHNS RIVER MANAGEMENT. I WANT TO GO QUICKLY BECAUSE I WANT DR. REZI, TO SPEAK. HERE IS RIVER MANAGEMENT'S FINAL DECISION AND HERE IT STATES AS YOU CAN SEE, BASED ON THE RESULT OF THE ABOVE SURVEY AND INVESTIGATION STAFF DETERMINED THAT THE EXISTING SYSTEM WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED AND OPERATED PER THE ORIGINAL PERMIT. ITEMS NOTED WERE THE WATER WAS WAY TOO HIGH IN THE POND LEVELS. SEVERAL OF THE PIPES WERE BAD.

SO THAT HELPS MR. FLOWERS DECISION TO YOU THEY ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO ACT ON BEHALF OF THAT. THE LAST ISSUE THAT COMES INTO PLAY IS THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY DECIDED IN A LETTER THAT MARSH LANDING'S FLOODING -- SAYS DUE TO THE ONGOING NATURE OF THE COMPLAINTS RECEIVED, THE SUBSEQUENT -- THE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE OF UNDUE FLOODING FROM OUR TONE COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT IS STATING THAT IT IS A FACTS THAT MARSH LANDING FLOODS.

SO THE 1978 ORDINANCE, THE 1986, THE 1999, IT DOESN'T MATTER, THEY HAVE ALL VIOLATED THIS E CODE.

AND IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME. HERE IS A PICTURE OF OUR ROAD.

IF YOU SEE A SWALE ON THERE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU SEE T IT, MR. DEAN. YOU RAN RIVER MANAGEMENT FOR 17 YEARS. IF THERE IS A SWALE THERE, LET ME KNOW. HERE IS THE SIDE OF MY HOME WITH THE ELECTRIC. THERE IS NO SWALE THAT CAN BE ON THE SIDE OF MY HOME. AND HERE IS THE OTHER SIDE OF MY THAT HAS THE SEWER, THE WATER, THE CABLE AND ELECTRIC.

NO SWALES. SO I WOULD LIKE TO TURN OVER -- SORRY A LITTLE SCATTERED THIS MORNING AND IMPORTANT FOR ME TO BE HERE. LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO DR. DON REZIO, WHO IS A WELL - RENOWNED COASTAL HYDROLOGIST HELPING US WITH THIS ISSUE AND IMPORTANT TO GIVE MY LAST FIVE MINUTES TO HIM TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH.

AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> MR. HENSLEY, BY THE WAY, YOU HAVE ALL OF OUR CONDOLENCES. SURPRISE AND SHOCK TO ME, SO I KNOW WHAT IT MUST BE DOING TO YOU.

CONDOLENCES. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR THE ABILITY TO BE HERE SORRY, APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE, BUT IT IS LIKE THIS MOST OF THE TIME.

ANY WAY, YOU SORTS OF HEARD FROM THE GHOST OF CHRISTMAS PAST AND CHRISTMAS PRESENT. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF IS WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

THE FUTURE -- I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS IN 50 YEARS.

I AM NOT TALKING SEA LEVEL RISE. I AM NOT TALKING GLOBAL WARMING.

I AM JUST SAYING IN ORDER TO SURVIVE IN A TIDAL MARSH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE FOUR THINGS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE, FIRST, A BARRIER THAT KEEPS THE TIDES. WELL, THAT IS LACKING.

THERE ARE NO BARRIERS IN PLACE. BARRIERS IN SOME PLACES AND THEY DON'T FLOOD. THERE ARE NO BARRIERS IN SOME PLACES AND WATER JUST RUNS IN AND FLOODS PEOPLE.

OKAY. YOU HAVE TO HAVE INTERNAL DRAINAGE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE -- MR. HENSLEY WAS TALKING ABOUT SWALES. THAT IS THE SIMPLEST FORM.

THEY ARE NOT THERE. NOW WERE THEY EVER THERE? WE CAN'T FIND OUT BECAUSE THERE IS NO AS-BUILTS.

SO YOU GO LIKE, HOW CAN I CHECK ON THIS.

YOU ALSO NEED -- IF YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD IN A PLACE WHERE IT CAN RAIN AT THE SAME TIME YOU ARE TRYING TO LIVE WITH THE WATER BEING SLIGHTLY HIGHER IF YOU ARE FOR AT LEAST SIX HOURS OR SO, WELL, YOU NEED PUMPS. YOU NEED BUMPS AND YOU NEED

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INTERNAL DRAINAGE. YOU JUST CAN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT -- IF ANY ONE OF THOSE IS MISSING, IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS, YOU DON'T HAVE A SYSTEM THAT CAN WORK WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF SOMETHING HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE? I WAS THE SENIOR SCIENTIST -- SENIOR ENGINEER, SENIOR TECHNOLOGIST FOR THE CORE OF ENGINEERS OFF AND ON FOR ALMOST THE LAST 30 YEARS BEFORE I CAME TO BE A PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA AND UNIVERSITY OF NORTH FLORIDA.

AND DURING THAT TIME, KATRINA HAPPENED.

AND WE HAD BEEN WANTING TO WARN THEM.

I PERSONALLY SPOKEN WITH PEOPLE WHO SAID THE 17TH STREET LEVEE LEAKS EVERY TIME IT RAINS. AND THAT IS THE ONE IF YOU REMEMBER THAT SLID BACK AND REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR FLOODING 80% TO 90% OF NEW ORLEANS. THINGS DON'T HAPPEN WITHOUT A PREAMBLE TO THEM AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GETTING TO ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SPEAKING THAT THERE ARE PROBLEMS. THEY NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED. AND THEY NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED NOT AS SOMETHING THAT IS -- THAT MIGHT HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU -- YOU HAVE TO THINK IN YOUR MIND THAT IT IS NOT JUST -- HERE WE HAVE A DESIGN AND WE JUST MAKE IT. WE HAVE TO THANK

>> HENRY DEAN: JUST IF YOU ARE LISTENING IN, JUST LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION. DON'T GET TOO CONFUSED ABOUT THE BACK AND FORTH VIDEO SHOTS. SO, AGAIN, APOLOGIES.

IF WE CAN HEAR FROM THE HOA REPRESENTATIVE AND WE ARE GOING TO START THE CLOCK AGAIN AT TEN MINUTES.

BUT FEEL FREE TO START WHEREVER YOU WISH TO REITERATE AND START

ANEW IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER N DEAN. MY COMMENTS ARE SHORT.

SOIL START AT THE BEGINNING, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

DEAR COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF, GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING TIME TO COMMENT ON THE FLOWERS MEMORANDUM.

MY NAME IS PETER CARPIN, HE RESIDE AT 245776 HARBOR VIEW DRIVE AND I AM ONE OF FIVE ELECTED AT LARGE MARSH LANDING HOA MASTER BOARD MEMBERS. I AM AN OFFICER HOLDING THE POSITION OF TREASURER AND ALSO CHAIRMAN OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. ON BEHALF OF THE ALMOST 1100 HOMES IN MARSH LANDING, I WOULD LIKE TO ENDORSE THE FLOWERS MEMORANDUM. IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS MEMO IS NOT AN EVALUATION OF THE STORMWATER DISTRICT IN MARSH LANDING OR ANY ALLEGED DEFICIENCIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SAME, BUT RATHER THE MEMO STRICTLY IDENTIFIES WHAT COUNTY ORDINANCES APPLY TO THE MARSH LANDING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND NOTHING MORE. IN ADDITION FOR DEVELOPMENT BEFORE 1986, CO 78-38 DOES NOT RARE AND PROVIDES FOR KNOW SPECIFIC DESIGN CRITERIA FOR RETENTION BAINESS AND POND BERMS OR AS WELL AS ANY CURB AND GUTTERS.

DEVELOPMENT AFTER 1986, ST STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS ARE LESS THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE FOSHINGZ, A TEN-YEAR, NOT A 24-HOUR STORM EVENT CURRENTLY USED WILL BE APPLIED. FINALLY MAINTENANCE WORK ON THE EXISTING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS EXPLICITLY INCLUDED IN THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS UNDER COUNTY ORDINANCE 99-51.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THAK YOU, AGAIN, FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF THIS IMPORTANT MATTER.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, SIR. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON

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AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. YES, SIR.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER, KEN MCLEAN.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO JUST DITTO ED SLAVIN'S COMMENTS AS WELL AS THE AMBASSADOR'S COMMENTS ON LINE ITEM.

I WAS ABLE TO LISTEN TO THEM AS I WAS COMING HERE TO ADDRESS ANOTHER ISSUE. BUT THE THINGS THAT THEY SAID ABOUT THIS MARSH LANDING DEVELOPMENT THEY SAID IT VERY ELOQUENTLY. I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT MYSELF AND LET'S REWIND THE TAPE AND LISTEN TO IT.

THEY GAVE US VERY GOOD INSIGHTS. THOSE INSIGHTS ARE DEFINITELY EFFECTING THE BOROUGHS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND HASTINGS WITH ONE OF NOSE BOROUGHS AFFECTED WITH THE DRAINAGE ISSUES.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE 1100 PEOPLE IN HASTINGS YET LIKE MARSH LANDING DO BUT I THINK THAT THE EXISTING RESIDENTS THERE NOW SHOULD HAVE DE PROCESS OF HAVING THEIR COMMUNITY DEVELOPED PRIOR TO ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN.

AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU COMMISSIONERS KUDOS FOR THE JOB YOU DO. I WOULDN'T WANT IT.

I WOULDN'T DESIRE IT. BUT YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB AT IT. SOMETIMES YOU GET IT RIGHT.

SOMETIMES YOU GET IT WRONG. BUT I THINK WITH THE INPUT AND WITH THE COMMUNITY, WE WILL GO TO GREATER, GREATER HIGHLIGHTS WITH THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT MEETINGS THAT WE HAD TO INPUT.

JUST THE REFLECTIONS OF WHAT YOU ALL SEE AND HEAR MADE A DIFFERENCE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME

AND CONTINUE YOUR EFFORTS. >> THANK YOU, MR. MCLEAN.

YES, MA'AM. >> BJ KH ALADY.

ST. AUGUSTINE. OKAY, FOLKS.

AND THE LAWYER. DID YOU A VERY JOB NOT BEING LAWYER STANDING UP HERE. SO BASICALLY WE ARE DOWN TO THE POINT FROM 9:40 A.M. -- SOME HAD TO LEAVE THIS MEETING BECAUSE THEY CAN'T STAY. TO.

A VIOLATION OF CODE. IS THE COUNTY GOING TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY ACCORDING TO ORDINANCES OR MARSH LANDING GOING TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX THIS PROBLEM OR WILL THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE HAVE TO GET A LAWYER AND SUE WHOEVER THAT THEY NEED TO SUE TO GET THIS DRAINAGE AND THIS PROBLEM SETTLED SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK IN HERE OVER AND OVER AND WE SPEND HOURS AND HOURS TALKING ABOUT IT AND YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS FROM DEVELOPERS AND EVERYBODY ELSE. SO EITHER WE ARE GOING TO SUE SOMEBODY. BUT WHO ARE WE GOING TO SUE FIX THIS PROBLEM. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. AND BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

WAYNE, IT MIGHT BE GOOD THAT YOU JOIN US AT THE PODIUM AND STAND BY BECAUSE I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO ASK AND OTHER COMMISSIONERS MAY ALSO. AT THIS POINT, I AM -- I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS AND SEVERAL COMMENTS I WANT TO MAKE BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD WANT -- IF ANY COMMISSIONER WOULD RATHER GO FIRST, I WILL CERTAINLY DEFER TO THAT AND CHIME IN AS NEEDED.

JUST LET ME KNOW. AGAIN, WAYNE, GREAT WORK.

GREAT WORK. AND LET ME OFFER SORT OF AN INTRODUCTION OF -- NOW SINCE I WAS THE COMMISSION OTHER 13E SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED THAT WE HAVE THIS TIME -- THIS KIND OF REPORT. IN THE PAST, UP UNTIL TODAY, WE HAVE RECEIVED INPUT AND THOUGHT ABOUT AND TALKED ABOUT IN THEORY WHAT MAY HAVE GONE WRONG. WHO IS IN CHARGE.

WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. ALL BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A UNDERSTANDING OF THE ORDINANCES AND WHEN THEY WERE ADOPTED. WHEN THEY APPLIED.

WHEN THEY DIDN'T APPLY WITH GRANDFATHER CLAUSES, ETC., ETC.

AT LEAST NOW AFTER WAYNE'S REPORT I AM STARTING TO HAVE A SOMEWHAT REQUIRED MEN TARLY BUT FAIRLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHEN YOU APPLY THE POINTS THAT ARE RAISED IN WAYNE'S MEMO AND THE CONCLUSIONS HE DRAWS. I HAVE AN OBSERVATION AND SUGGESTION THAT WE NOW NEED TO SWITCH FROM DISCUSSION AND RESEARCH TO ACTION. AND I AM GOING TO EXPLAIN THAT AND WELCOME EVERYONE'S COMMENTS WHO WANTS TO COMMENT YEA OR NAY

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AND MAKE A MOTION IF THE COMMISSIONERS DESIRE.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THREE MAJOR ISSUES IN MY MIND, SWALES, B S BERMS. THE THREE OVERRIDING KEY ISSUES.

START WITH SWALES. TO ME, BASED ON YOUR MEMO, I THINK THAT THE WORD SWELLS IS NO MORE IMPORTANT THEN THE WORD MAINTENANCE. NOT ONLY DO THE SWALES HAVE TO BE BUILT, THEY HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED OTHERWISE THE ST STORMWATER SYSTEM ISN'T GOING TO WORK.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH. YOU GO OUT TODAY AND SEE A SWALE WHERE ONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE OR YOU DON'T SEE IT.

IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF YOU DON'T SEE IT FROM MY STANDPOINT.

AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT MAY HAVE BEEN BUILT AND FILLED IN OR NEVER BEEN BUILT. IF A SWELL IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE AND AIN'T THERE, WE NEED TO FIX THAT.

I THINK. I SEE YOU NODDING YES.

>> YES, SIR. >> HENRY DEAN: MAINTENANCE NEEDS TO BE DONE AND WE DIDN'T DWELL ON IT A LOT, BUT I THINK AFFILIATED WITH THE FLOODING PROBLEMS GENERATED WITH THE LACK OF WORKING SWELLS, I THINK THERE IS ALSO AN ISSUE OF FLOW EASEMENTS THAT ARE AFFILIATED AND WITH THE SWELLS THAT ARE RECORDED ON DEEDS THAT REQUIRE EASEMENT TO BE FLOWAGE EASEMENTS TO BE MAINTAINED ALONG CERTAIN EDGES OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES AND LOTS. WHAT I SEE HAPPENING IN THE -- THE RAINFALL. THE STORMWATER FLOWS DOWN THE ROAD AND INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO -- IF WATER SEEKS ITS OWN LEVEL INSTEAD OF GUSHING OUT INTO THE SWELLS AND THE FLOW AAGE IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS, WELLS AND ELEVATION.

ALL OF THAT RELATES TO ME OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE SWELLS AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE FLOWAGE EASEMENTS.

WOULD YOU CONCUR IN MY -- DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO THAT?

>> CERTAINLY AS IT RELATES TO ROAD DRAINAGE, AGAIN WHAT THE '78 ORDINANCE PRIMARILY ADDRESSES.

>> HENRY DEAN: SO THAT IN NUMBER ONE.

AND I WILL COME BACK TO THAT IN MY SUGGESTION FOR ACTION.

NOW, LET'S TALK OF THE POND BERM ELEVATION FOR A SECOND AND I REFER EVERYONE WHO HAS IT TO PAGE 7 OF THE FLOWERS REPORT.

AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE IT SAYS, AND I QUOTE "AS NOTED, THIS IS -- I AM TALKING ABOUT NOW THE BERM ELEVATIONS, BOTTOM OF PAGE 7, LAST PARAGRAPH "AS NOTED, THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDARD NOT A WATER QUANTITY OR QUALITY ATTENUATION STANDARD.

THERE ARE, HOWEVER, MINIMUM DESIGN STANDARDS FOR STORMWATER RETENTION THAT DO NOT IMPACT STORMWATER POND SIZE AND CAPACITY THAT WOULD BE IMPLICATED WHEN AN ALTERATION AND RECONSTRUCTION OF AN EXISTING SYSTEM OCCURS OR ANY OF THE OTHER THRESHOLDS IN SECTION -- DA-DA-DA IS TRIGGERED.

EXAMPLE IN SUBSECTIONS -- DA DA-DA-DA-DA, THAT REQUIRES THAT STORMWATER RETENTION PONDS HAVE ELEVATION NO LESS THAN SIX INCHES ABOVE THE 25-YEAR MAXIMUM SURFACE WATER ELEVATION.

AND THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE A FAIR QUESTION TO YOU, WAYNE, AND MAKE IT TO THE STAFF TO RESPOND TO IF NOT THIS MORNING, LATER.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, DEPENDING ON WHICH OF THE 23 PONDS ARE AT ISSUE, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO APPLY THAT LANGUAGE AND DETERMINE WHAT THE -- WHAT THE

TOP OF BANK ELEVATION SHOULD BE. >> I THINK THAT IS CORRECT.

NOW I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IS A CRITERION UNDER THE '99 ORDINANCE. THE QUESTION IS, DOES IT EVEN APPLY OTHERWISE OR WOULD IT ONLY APPLY IF THERE WAS A RECONSTRUCTION. I THINK THE POINT I WAS MAINLY TRYING TO MAKE THERE IS SIMPLY THAT THERE ARE CRITERA IN THE '99 ORDINANCE THAT DEALS WITH WATER QUANTITY ATTENUATION.

BUT THE FOUR-TO-ONE SIDE SLOPE PROVISION IS SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE AS A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDARD AND YOU ARE ALLOWED TO IF YOU CHOOSE TO PUT A PENCE AROUND THE POND AS OPPOSED TO FOUR-TO-ONE SIDE SLOPES.

>> THIS IS WHERE I GET A LITTLE FUZZY.

BUT I WAS READING THAT LAST SENTENCE TO TOP OF BERM ELEVATIONS. AND WHEN IT SAYS, WHICH REQUIRES THE STORMWATER RETENTION POND TO HAVE A TOP OF BANK ELEVATION NO LESS THAN SIX INCHES ABOVE THE 25-YEAR MAXIMUM SURFACE ELEVATIONS, I THOUGHT WE WERE DETERMINE CAN AS A MATTER OF

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FACT, ENGINEERING FACT. THE ISSUE TO ME IS HOW HIGH SHOULD THOSE BURNS BE FROM OUR COUNTY ORDINANCE AND I AM GOING TO DEAL WITH THE SLOPES AS A THIRD AND FINAL ISSUE.

>> RIGHT, AGAIN. YOU ARE CORRECT.

THAT IS A REQUIREMENT. I WAS SIMPLY TRYING TO CONTRAST WHAT IS THAT CRITERION IN MY JUDGMENT AS I READ IT DEALS WITH THE QUANTITY OF WATER THAT HAS TO BE STORED AND ATTENUATED FOR FLOOD CONSIDERATIONS AND THE FOUR-TO-ONE SIDE SLOPE WAS A

PUBLIC SAFETY REQUIREMENT. >> AND LAST SECTION AND COMMENT.

AND COMMENT IF THERE IS ANY RESPONSE ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 9. ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 9, OPERATING AND MAINTAINING OF MARSH LANDING AND APPARENTLY UNDERTAKING AND TO TAKE REMEDIAL ACTION OF THE PERFORMANCE OF THE EXISTING SYSTEM. AND HIGHLIGHTED THIS.

COUNTY STAFF WILL HAVE TO EVALUATE THE WORK PROPOSED FOR THE SYSTEM TO DETERMINE IF ANY ELEMENTS OF SUCH WORK OF RECONSTRUCTION OF THOSE ELEMENTS OR ANY THRESHOLDS IN SECTION YADA YADA ARE TRIGGERED. ANY ALTERATION AND RECONSTRUCTION IN 6.04 OF THE COUNTY'S LDC AND MUST BE COMPLIANT WITH THE STANDARDS INCLUDED IN THE COUNTY'S CURRENT ORDINANCE. CURRENT, NOT -- NOT '78, '86 OR '99 -- MAYBE '99 APPLIES BECAUSE THE MOST CURRENT.

I THINK AT THIS POINTS AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS ONE COMMISSIONER, I THINK THAT IT IS TIME TO ASK FOR DIRECT THE STAFF TO COME UP WITH SOME SPECIFIC ANSWERS BASED ON FACT FINDING IF NOT LEGAL INTERPRETATION. I WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL THE COMMISSIONERS BUT MY INTENT IS TO CRAFT A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO UNDER STAKE THREE TASKS, IF YOU WILL.

ONE IS BASICALLY DETERMINED FIRST IF THE SWELLS AND ANY ASSOCIATED FLOWAGE EASEMENTS ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING AS THEY SHOULD OR NOT. THAT IS A FACT.

EITHER THEY ARE THERE AND OPERATING AS REQUIRED OR THEY ARE NOT. SO THAT -- THAT IS GUIDANCE NUMBER ONE. REQUEST NUMBER ONE TOO STAFF.

AND NUMBER TWO, I WOULD LIKE TO GET A FACTUAL DETERMINATION, IF WE CAN. AND ALL OF YOU WHO SPOKES TODAY CAN PROVIDE INPUT TO THE STAFF WITH RESPECT TO OUR -- IF THIS GOES FORWARD. I WOULD LIKE TO GET A DETERMINATION OF WHAT BERMS AND WHAT PONDS MAY OR MAY NOT BE AT THE CORRECT TOP OF BERM ELEVATION BASED ON THAT PORTION OF THE REPORT THAT I READ. OKAY.

AND WAYNE REITERATED ALSO. AND THEN THE LAST IS TO DETERMINE RESPECT TO THE FOUR-TO-ONE SLOPES.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, WAYNE, THAT UNLESS THERE HAS BEEN RECONSTRUCTION OR ALTERATION, THEN THE '78 ORDINANCE APPLIES AND THERE IS WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE AND MANDATE AN IMPREMENTATION OF THE FOUR TO ONE SLOPE TO ANY POND UNLESS THERE HAS BEEN ALTERATION OF THE POND.

>> THAT'S CORRECT, THAT IS WHAT I INDICATED.

>> HENRY DEAN: WE ARE NOT TAKING ANY MORE DISCUSSION FROM THE AUDIENCE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THIS DISCUSSION RIGHT HERE. SO -- YOU AGREE.

SO TO ME. WE ALSO NEED TO DIRECT STAFF TO BASICALLY LOOK AT ALL THE PONDS AND DECORATION OF RECONSTRUCTION OF THE CODE. FACTUALLY, HAS THERE BEEN ALTERATION AND RECONSTRUCTION WHICH WOULD TRIGGER.

WHICH WOULD TRIGGER CURRENT ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.

FOLLOW THOSE WILL BE MY THREE ISSUES TO DIRECT STAFF AND DIRECT THEM TO DO IT IN A REASONABLY EXPEDITIOUS MANNER.

NOT A FIVE-YEAR STUDY OR REQUEST.

I WOULD HOPE IN THE ORDER OF THREE TO FOUR MONTHS, NOT THREE

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TO FOUR YEARS BECAUSE WHATEVER -- WE NEED TO BE DOING BY ORDINANCE AND WE ARE NOT DOING IS DIRECTLY IMPACTING THESE HOME OPENERS. BECAUSE A BIG IMPACT.

AND I SAID SINCE THIS ISSUE FIRST AROAD TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO ON MY RADAR SCREEN. I WANT TO AS A COMMISSION AND I THINK ALL OF YOU SHARE MY VIEW, WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED AND HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO UNDER OUR OWN ORDINANCE TO GIVE THE SAFETY AND PROTECTION TO THESE HOMEOWNERS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE GOING OUTSIDE OF OUR LANE AND COMING UP WITH LEGAL THEORIES THAT DON'T EXIST AGAINST WHAT WOULD BE THE HOA ASSOCIATION. SO THAT IS KIND OF WHERE I AM.

I WANTED TO SHARE THAT BECAUSE I TOOK GREAT COMFORT IN READING WAYNE'S MEMO AND GAVE ME GUIDANCE ON WHERE I THINK WE SHOULD GO. WITH THAT SAID, COMMISSIONER

BLOCKER. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND HOW YOU OUTLINED THIS. I AGREE.

A SERIOUS ISSUE IMPACTING RESIDENTS.

WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED 2018, THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES.

I MET WITH MR. HENSLEY. A PROBLEM AND A HIGH LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING WORSE. DR. RENZIO THAT I HAD THE PLEASURE OF BEING A NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR FOR HIM FOR SEVERAL YEARS. TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR HIM.

THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT COULD GET WORSE.

WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE SOLUTION IS AND ADDRESS IT.

THE ONE CAVEAT, MR. CHAIRMAN IF THIS IS NOT WORTH -- I AM THROWING THIS OUT -- BECAUSE WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT THIS THAN US SITTING HERE. MR. HENSLEY, IF HE CAN COME UP IF YOU WOULD ALLOW, MR. CH N CHAIRMAN, BECAUSE I HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL AS OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY.

WE HAVE A LOT OF INVOLVEMENT WITH COUNTY STAFF UP TO THIS POINT. AND I THINK THERE IS -- I DON'T WANT TO MISCHARACTERIZE OF DIFFICULTY IN THE RELATIONSHIP.

I WONDER IF IT WOULDN'T BE WORTHWHILE FOR THE COUNTY TO SEEK AN OUTDOOR ENGINEER AS WE ASKED OUTSIDE COUNCIL TO -- OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.

AS YOU ARTICULATED, THE SWELLS, THE BERMS, THE SLOPE.

MR. HENSLEY. I KNOW YOU AND THE RESIDENTS HAVE RAISED CONCERNS. I THINK OUR STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB. THIS IS A TOUGH PROBLEM.WRESTLE WITH TO IDENTIFY WHO IS RESPONSIBLE DECADES LONG BEFORE WE WERE IN THE POSITIONS WE ARE NOW.

I WONDER IF IT WILL BE WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT AND HAVING AN OUTSIDE ENGINEER TO LOOK AT THIS AND FACT SPECIFIC ISSUES WE NEED TO UNDER STAND. THE REASON I ASKED TO YOU COME BACK HERE, THE FOREFRONT AND THE FIRST PERSON I SPOKE ON THIS, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT THAT IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE ENGINEER. WOULD YOU BE GOOD WITH THAT?

>> THE ST. JOHNS MANAGEMENT SPENT $250,000 AND $300,000 BY DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

I WOULD NOT WANT YOU TO WASTE OUR TAXPAYER MONEY.

IF YOU CAN PARTNER UP WITH ST. JOHNS WATER MANAGEMENT.

DAVID HANSON FROM PEGASUS ENGINEER.

WE TRUST MR. HAMSTRA. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I AGREE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DISAGREEMENT FROM SOME OF THE EXPERTS FROM THE COUNTY AND THE STAFF.

I DON'T WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IN FRONT OF THE AUDIENCE, BUT YOU REACHED OUT WITH CONCERNS. IS THAT ACCURATE?

>> DEFINITELY ACCURATE. A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION WHICH HAPPENS. WIPE FEEL -- WE WOULD FEEL BETTER IF A THIRD PARTY WILL LOOK AT IT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WE DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THE ROAD TO HAVE THIS EVALUATED AND A DISAGREEMENT THAT STAFF

[3. Public Hearing * PUD 2020-04 Porter Property. Request to rezone approximately 165 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow up a maximum of 223 single-family dwelling units. This item was heard by the Board of County Commissioners at their regularly scheduled public hearing on September 21, 2021. The request was remanded back to the Planning and Zoning Agency for their consideration of the several revisions made by the applicant in response to concerns by the community and the Board of County Commissioners. The Planning and Zoning Agency heard this application on January 20, 2022, and recommended denial with a 4-1 vote. The Agency discussed the project's compatibility with the existing neighborhoods, the proposed round-about, traffic and road conditions in the area, wetland impacts, drainage and flooding.]

>> BY OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND SWALE STATION.

OTHER WHAT WE PROPOSE IN THE CURB AND GUTTER THAT INTERFERES WITH THE MASTER STORMWATER. AND IMPROVEMENTS AND INESSENTIAL I WAS IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ENTITLED TO DO DEVELOPMENT AND THE PUD ROUTE TO HAVE AN EFFICIENT PLAN CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU HAVE SET OUT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS REALLY SHOW US SIDE TO SIDE.

SO ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN THAT WE SEE, THIS IS OUR PROPOSED PUD AND YOU IMMEDIATELY SEE THE LOTS ARE CLUSTERED IN

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AREA THAT ARE SURROUNDED. IN AREAS CONTIGUOUS AND CNSERVATION EASEMENT MANAGED BY THE HOA.

YOU SEE THE AMOUNT OF EXTENSIVE BUFFERS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH, THE PERIMETER FENCING AND OFFSITE BUFFERING.

THE PLAN TO THE RIGHT, A FRAGMENTED SYSTEM OF OPEN SPACE HELD WITHIN EACH OF THE LOTS. IT IS TO EACH OF THE LOT OWNERS TO MANAGE AND MAINTAIN. A DISTRIBUTION AND THAT LOCAL ROAD SYSTEM GENERALLY FOLLOWS THE SAME PATTERN BUT WE GET TO SEE HOW SOME OF THESE HOTS ARE DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO PORTER ROAD AND THE EAST-WEST CONNECTOR WHERE WE SEE AND MANAGE THE LOTS. GRAPHICALLY WE DID A COMPARISON OF WHAT IS PROPOSED IN THE PUD AND MORE OF THE METRICS TO PROVIDE. THE PUD WITH 208 UNITS, AUXILIARY OF THE WESTBOUND. AND OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND A ROUNDABOUT THAT WILL BE IN PLACE BEFORE THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE PUD. IN THE SCENARIOS THAT YOU CAN DEVELOP UNDER RESIDETIAL B AND OPEN RURAL, IF YOU ARE ON THE HIGHER END SO 157 AND 165, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A TURN LANE ON -- THE SAME TURN LANE OF AUXILIARY TO OPENED LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND DOES NOT COME WITH THE ROUNDABOUT WITH A GREATER PUBLIC BENEFIT. WE ARE CHARTING WITH YOU SOME OF THE COMPARISONS AND RUNNING WITH A DIFFERENCE OF 40 TO 45 LOT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE CAN DEVELOP NOW AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT. INITIALLY WHEN THEY WERE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY PROPOSED AND SHARED WITH THEM A LEFT-TURN LANE ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY TURNING INTO OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND RIGHT LANE TO OLD LEWIS SP Y SPEEDWAY.

THIS ROUNDABOUT FITS IN THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY AND ACCOUNTS FOR ACCESS OF PROPERTIES DURING THE WAY.

DURING OUR MEETING OF HOW FOLKS FELT OF THE SPEED LIMIT ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY WERE NOT FOLLOWED BY THOSE WHO ARE ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

THERE IS A BUILT-UP PRESSURE BEHIND WHEN OTHER TRAVELERS ARE BEHIND YOU. BY INSTALLING THE ROUNDABOUT EQUALIZES TRAFFIC TURNING ON TO OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY, HORSESHOE AND PLANTATION POINT AND FROM 35 MILES PER HOUR TO THE 25 MILES PER HOUR AS YOU ENTER INTO THE ROUNDABOUT.

TRAFFIC WORKING WITH THE STAFF WANTED OUR JEFF CRAMIC AND PROVIDE THE FUTURE AND THIS ROUNDABOUT CAN HANDLE 9500 VEHICLES PER DAY. SO THIS SITE PLAN HELPS US A LITTLE BIT MORE AND POPS IT UP TO SHOW THE DIRECTION.

THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS BE TOO SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT. SINGLE LANE IS THE LANE THAT IS IN THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE. COMING AND GOING AND LEWIS S D SPEEDWAY IS NOT A ONE-WAY DIRECTIONAL.

NORTH AND SOUTH OR EAST AND WEST ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND ENTER IN AND SEE THE LIGHTING TO IMPROVE SAFETY WITHIN THE AREA.

SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD.

VISIBILITY IS CHOKED BY THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY.

STILL VEGETATIVE. THERE IS A TILT OF TO THE ROAD OF OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY WAITING TO TURN CONTINUE TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

BEFORE THE VERTICAL OF THE PUD AND EXCEEDS THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE TO MITIGATE FOR. SO THIS IS WALKING THROUGH A LITTLE ACCESS AND CONNECTIVITY AND TIES INTO WHERE DIRECTIONS AND PROJECT TRAFFIC GOES AND LET'S US KNOW AND REMINDS US WHEN WE DO OUR SITE VISIT, WHERE WE HAVE THE LIGHT ON LEWIS S D SPEEDWAY AND WHERE WE HAVE FIFTH -- A FULL MEDIAN OPENING AT U.S.

1 AND WHY PROJECT TRAFFIC WILL GRAVITATE TO THOSE CONNECTION POINTS. SO THESE LAST TWO SLIDES, LET ME SUMMARIZE A LITTLE BIT. WHEN WE LOOK AT PUBLIC -- LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT, WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE COST TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEY ARE MAKING AN INVESTMENT. ONE WE WORK WITH THE STAFF FOR THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE. OFTENTIMES WE GET A PROPORTIONATE SHARE NUMBER BUT DO WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT OF WHICH TO PUT THOSE DOLLARS TOO, RIGHT.

WE COLLECT THE MONIES BUT WE AS CITIZENS APPROVE ANY FROM THE ROADWAY NETWORK COMING FROM THOSE.

THE ANSWER IS YES. IT GOES TOWARD THAT ROUNDABOUT AND ROUNDED OUT LANGUAGE TO THE PUD BEFORE THAT VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION INTO THE PUD. IT EXCEEDS WHAT THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE IS AND THE BENEFIT OF WHAT OUR METHODOLOGY WILL HAVE FOR US. REGARDING SCHOOLS, RESERVE CAPACITY FOR THE FULL AMOUNT. 237 UNITS.

I FILED A REVISION FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO RELEASE THE REMAINING UNITS REFLECTING OUR REDUCTION IN UNITS AND I'M WORKING WITH THEM WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THAT REVISED SCHOOL CONCURRENCY.NOTICE. AGAIN OUR LIST OF COMMITMENTS

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THEY MADE SINCE A SERIES OF PZA MEETINGS AND I AM SUMMARIZING BEFORE YOU THAT REDUCTION FROM 237 TO 208 COMES WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROUNDABOUT. AND AUXILIARY LANE AND PRESERVATION OF OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE SITE ITSELF VERSUS A LAND PLAN UNDER RESIDENTIAL B AND WITHOUT THOSE GREATER IMPROVEMENTS. SO WITH THAT, I WILL STAND BY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WE WILL FOLLOW OUR -- I THINK OUR SCRIPT FOR THE NEXT PRES N PRESENTATION.

>> HENRY DEAN: ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS POINT? OKAY.

LET'S GO TO -- IF WE MAY, IS THE NEXT PRESENTATION, THE -- THE

AIRPORT THE AIRPORT. >> WE HAVE MATT LIOTA WITH

PRIVATE JET SERVICE. >> HENRY DEAN: IS HE NEXT.

MR. LIOTA, GOOD MORNING, I THINK --

>> YES, WE ARE STILL IN MORNING, I BELIEVE.

>> HE HAS TEN MINUTES. >> HENRY DEAN: OKAY.

>> GOOD MORNING, MATT LIOTA, MUNICIPAL COURT, ST. JOHNS.

I AM BEFORE YOU TODAY AS AN AIRPORT USER.

AND MY CONCERN IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ELSE I AM NOT HERE TO TALK OF THE MERITS OF THE TOPIC BUT PROCEDURAL ISSUES WHICH IS NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO BE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I THINK THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT. SINCE I BECAME AN USER OF THE AIRPORT, MY COMPANY IS THE SECOND LARGEST EMPLOYER ON THE FIELD. WE HAVE A PAYROLL THAT EXCEEDS THE ENTIRE REVENUE OF THE AIRPORT JUST TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT OF OUR SIZE. I NOTICE THAT AIRPORT IS NOT WELL MANAGED AND GOVERNED RIGHT NOW AND LOOKING INTO VARIOUS MATTERS AT THE AIRPORT TRYING TO GET THEM TO IMPROVE THEIR GOVERNANCE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE GREAT JOB THAT YOU GUYS DO AND I HOPE THAT THE AIRPORT CAN SEE YOU AS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TO HAVE GOOD GOVERNANCE.

SO WHAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF DUE PROCESS. ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS ENTITLED TO DUE PROCESS.

WITH THE REZONING SITUATION LIKE THIS, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT DUE PROCESS IS FOLLOWED. AND WE KNOW THAT THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, SORT OF RELATED TO THE BREVARD COUNTY VERSUS SNYDER WHICH SORT OF SETS OUT HOW THIS ALL MUST GO.

AND ONE OF THE IMPORTANT PARTS OF THAT IS -- AND IT STATES, MUST COMPLY WITH THE PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS A PROVISION 30404 THAT REQUIRES THAT IN CERTAIN CASES RELATED TO THE AIRPORT OVERLAY ZONE, THAT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, THE COMMISSIONERS, WITH REGARD TO THE PROJECT.

IT IS A RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD SENTENCE AND VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD WORDS. GET THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AUTHORITY. THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE TO DO.

BUT THIS PROJECT HAVEN'T DONE THAT.

IT HAS GONE COMPLETELY OFF THE RAILS IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.

AND SO THAT LEADS US TO THE NEXT PART OF, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS -- ETHICS. ETHICS ARE SUPER IMPORTANT.

AND I KNOW HAVING MET WITH MANY OF YOU, COMMISSIONERS, THAT YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR ETHICS. I HEARD COMMISSIONER WALDRIN SAID IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE TECHNICALLY CORRECT.

BUT YOU HAVE TO GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PERCEPTION OF ETHICS IS GOOD. AND I RESPECT THAT AND AGREE.

AND I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA ALSO BELIEVES IN ETHICS, RIGHT. IN FACT FLORIDA STATUTES 112-313 REQUIRES GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TO HAVE CERTAIN LEVELS OF ETHICS.

THAT APPLIES ALSO TO THE ATTORNEYS THAT MAY REPRESENT U YOU. SO WHY ALL THAT RELEVANT? WELL, THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT THE AIRPORT ATTORNEY, MR. BURNETT, IN ADDITION TO REPRESENTING AN AIRPORT, HE WAS HIRED AND ENGAGED BY THE DEVELOPER TO REPRESENT THEM ON THE PORTER ROAD PUD. NOW I BELIEVE THAT IS A VIOLATION OF THE ETHIC AS LAID OUT BY THE STATE BAR.

I ALSO THINK THAT IS NOT ALLOWED BY FLORIDA STATUTES.

NEVERTHELESS, THAT WAS THE CASE. THAT BRINGS AWN OBVIOUS PROCEDURAL ISSUE OF HOW DO YOU GET THIS APPROVED BY THE AIRPORT WHEN YOU HAVE THESE CONFLICTS. SO I DID PROVIDE A PACKET OF INFORMATION AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

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IT HAPPENED FEBRUARY 11. IT WAS REPRESENTED AS THE COUNTY AS THE AIRPORT APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT.

AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS, THEY ARE JUST ASKING FOR AN EASEMENT.

THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT ASK FOR THE AIRPORT TO DO AN EASEMENT. IT ASKS FOR GIVING YOU A RECOMMENDATION. SO IF THEY WANT AN EASEMENT IN ORDER TO GET A RECOMMENDATION, THAT IS THEIR BUSINESS, BUT THIS DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT REQUIRES THAT. NOW THAT WAS IN FEBRUARY.

AND AROUND MAY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, MR. BURNETT BECAME ENGAGED BY THE DEVELOPER. I DO HAVE A MORE LENGTHY E-MAIL TRAIL HERE. AGAIN IT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CLERK FOR YOUR -- AND I THINK THE COUNTY IS WELL FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT A SERIES OF E-MAILS THAT HAPPENED ON SEPTEMBER 17 WHERE THE COUNTY FIRST BECAME AWARE THAT THERE IS NO RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND THE FIRST ISSUE OF THE CONFLICT COMES UP. GOOD READING.

AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE JANUARY 20 PZA MEETING WHERE THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THE PZA WAS ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF MR. BURNETT IN HIS PRESENTATION OF THE DEVELOPER WITH REGARD TO THE RECOMMENDATION, AND IT WAS MADE PRETTY CLEAR, I THINK, TO ANYBODY WHO WATCHES THAT MEETING OR READS THE TRANSCRIPT THAT THAT ORIGINAL ASK FOR THE EASEMENT FROM THE STAFF OF THE AIRPORT WAS SUFFICIENT. TO THAT END, DOUG IMMEDIATELY LITERALLY THE NEXT DAY E-MAILED ED W ASHES LNER, THE DIRECTOR OF THE AIRPORT TO GET THE DEVELOPER IN FRONT OF THE AIRPORT TO SEEK EYE APPROVAL, TO ESSENTIALLY CLEAN UP THE -- THE MESS, IF YOU WILL. THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY ON JANUARY 26. SIX DAYS AFTERWARDS WHERE THEY ARE ACTUALLY GETTING A DIFFERENT COUNCIL TO REPRESENT THEM BEFORE THE BOARD. EVENTUALLY THE BOARD MET ON THE 28TH. FROM MY STANDPOINT, WHEN WE GET TO DEW POINT, THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW ALL ABOUT THIS.

WHEN I ATTENDED THE FEBRUARY 28 MEETING, DOG WAS NOT THERE, AND THERE WAS NO MENTION AS TO WHY DOUG WASN'T THERE.

NO INFORMATION PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE CONFLICT, ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT LED IT BEFORE THE BOARD.

THERE WAS JUST A PRESENTATION AND IN THE END, IT WASN'T SUPER CLEAR WHAT THEY VOTED FOR. IF YOU READ THE TRANSCRIPT, NO CLEAR MOTION THAT THEY VOTED TO RECOMMEND THE PROJECT.

IT WAS, LIKE, HEY, WE APPROVE. THE PUBLIC MISSED OUT ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THIS SITUATION.

AND SPECIFICALLY, THE PUBLIC SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COMMENT ON THE ETHICAL ISSUE AND NOT HOW THE AIRPORT WAS TO BE RUN.

I KNOW IT IS NOT A ST. JOHNS COUNTY MATTER, BUT I THINK IT BECOMES A COUNTY MATTER BECAUSE DID NOT REQUIRE THE PUBLIC THE DUE PROCESS, THAT VOTE FROM THE AIRPORT IS TAINTED AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE PROPERLY. TO THAT END, I ACTUALLY SUGGESTED AS MUCH TO THE DEVELOPER.

I SENT AN E-MAIL ASKING ORIGINALLY ABOUT WHEN THEY ENGAGED MR. BURNETT. AND I DID GET A CALL FROM BILL.

AND TWO CALLS ACTUALLY BESIDE THREATENING TO SUE ME, HE ALSO DID TELL ME THAT DOUG WAS ENGAGED IN MAY AND SAID THAT DOUG DID MINOR THINGS, MAYBE TWO THINGS, BUT VERY MINOR INVOLVEMENT. I LOOKED AT THE RECORD, DOUG IS AT EVERY MEETING. HE IS SPEAKING ON BEHALF.

LISTEN TO YOUR EX-PARTE COMMUNION CAUTIONS.

DOUG IS IN ALL THOSE MEETINGS TOO.

I THINK HE DID A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INVOLVEMENT.

BUT NEVERTHELESS, ALL I SUGGESTED TO THE DEVELOPER WAS REALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD. GO BACK BEFORE THE AIRPORT B D BOARD. HAVE A PROPER MEETING.

DISCLOSE ALL THIS TO THE PUBLIC. THEN HAVE YOUR VOTE AND YOU CAN IT BEFORE YOU COME HERE TODAY. YOU KNOW THERE WAS AN AIRPORT BOARD MEETING LAST NIGHT. THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY WITHOUT DELAY FOR SELF-HELP HERE. THEY COULD HAVE GONE BACK TO THE AIRPORT BOARD. THEY COULD HAVE REDONE IT PROPERLY AND WE COULD BE HERE TODAY NOT TALKING TO ME AND WASTING YOUR TEN MINUTES TALKING OF THE PROCEDURAL ISSUES BUT

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THEY CHOSE NOT TO. THEY DID CHOOSE TO SEND THEIR LAWYER THREATENING AGAIN. AND I JUST THINK THAT IS NOT RIGHT. WE SHOULD HOLD OURSELVES TO A CORRECT PROCEDURAL STANDARD. AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AFFORDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THINGS.

AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE LAWYERS TRYING TO SHUT DOWN PUBLIC COMMENT JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE IT.

THIS IS REALLY SIMPLE. I THINK YOU SHOULD DENY THIS PROJECT, STRICTLY FOR PROCEDURAL REASONS.

SEND NOTICE TO PEOPLE THAT DEVELOPERS SHOULDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM BY TRYING TO HIRE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. WOULDN'T BE OKAY TO HIRE YOU TO GET THROUGH A PROJECT. THEY SHOULDN'T HIRE ANYBODY THAT IS CONFLICTED. LET'S SEND A MESSAGE ON GOOD GOVERNMENT, GOOD TRANSPARENCY AND GOOD ETHICS.

IF YOU DON'T SEE FIT TO DENY IT BASED UPON THAT, AT LEAST REQUEST THEM TO GO BEFORE THE AIRPORT BOARD AND DO IT CORRECTLY. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: I AM GOING TO ASK WHETHER YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU HEAR TO KEEP ANY OUTBURSTS TO YOURSELF.

WE ARE GOING TO RUN THE MEETING AND MOVE THINGS FORWARD.

ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?

MR. CHAIRMAN? >> HENRY DEAN: I BELIEVE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT LIMITING TO THREE MINUTES EACH.

NORMAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM

NUMBER 3. >> HENRY DEAN: SORRY.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: ARE WE

ALL DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT? >> HENRY DEAN: I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE ASKING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

I WANT TO ADD SOMETHING. BEFORE WE START PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, I WANT TO MAKE A -- SORT OF AN UNUSUAL BUT SPECIAL REQUEST, IF I MAY, VERY RESPECTFULLY.

I MET WITH MANY OF THESE HOMEOWNERS.

I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH KARLA FORD WHO WAS HEAD OF THE OPPOSITION UP TO ABOUT A WEEK AGO AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

WHAT I WANT TO SAY THIS MORNING IS I HOPE ALL OF YOU HAVE TAKEN TO HEART THE PRESENTATION OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND REQUIRES OUR APPROVAL. VERSUS WHAT COULD BE DONE WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL. BECAUSE TO ME, THAT IS WHY I REFER TO THIS EARLIER IN THE DAY AS A HOBSON'S CHOICE.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED THE NUMBER IN 208 HOMES. WHAT COULD BE DONE WITH 157.

WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL IT WOULDN'T COME TO US. TWO INGRESS-EGRESS POINTS NORTH AND SOUTH. THERE WON'T BE A ROUNDABOUT.

THE POND WILL BE DESTROYED ON THE SOUTH INLAND.

ALL THIS WITH NO ACTIONS BY US AS REQUIRED.

THAT IS WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ENTITLED TO.

SO BASED ON THAT, I WILL TELL YOU AGAIN THAT THIS IS FOR ME A DIFFICULT CHOICE, BUT I WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE.

I WANT TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL WORKING FROM THE SAME SET OF FACTS.

FACTS ARE IMPORTANT. SO WITH THAT SAID, MR. WH WHITEHURST. IF WE CAN HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND APPROACH THE PODIUM IN LINES AND, ETC.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: YES, SIR.

PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD, TWO P M PODIUMS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE LINES, HAVE THE PROCESS GO FASTER.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> ED SLAVIN, POX 3084, ED N EDSLAVIN.COM. I AGREE WITH MR. LIOTA.

THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE DENIED. IT HAS BEEN CONFLICTED BY DOUG BARNETT. AND UNDER THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AGAINST MISSISSIPPI GENERATING COMPANY, ANONYMOUS CASE BY JUSTICE WARREN AND UNANIMOUS SUPREME COURT.

THE SUPREME COURT HELD THAT THE GOVERNING STANDARD FOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST IT SET FORTH IN MATTHEW.

A MAN CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS. PLEASE REMANDS THIS MATTER TO THE AIRPORT AND TO THE PCP. I DON'T APPROVE OF THESE DEVELOPERS CONSTANTLY CHANGING THINGS AFTER THEY COME FROM THE PZA TO Y'ALL. THAT IS NOT RIGHT.

IF THERE ARE CHANGES BEING MADE IN A PROJECT, THAT SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC GROUNDS FOR TURNING IT DOWN.

LIKEWISE, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN HERE WITH THEIR HAT IN THEIR HAND AND MAKES WHAT I CALL A GEORGE MCCLURE ARGUMENT WHICH IS WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING MUCH WORSE.

YOU SHOULD REJECT THAT. THEY ARE THREATENING THESE NEIGHBORS AND CITIZENS WITH SOMETHING WORSE.

ALWAYS DO THAT. CALLED OUT GEORGE MCCLURE 15 YEARS AGO AND STILL DOING IT. HE IS NOT EVEN HERE.

HE IS DEAD. BUT GEORGE MCCLURE ARGUMENTS SHOULD BE INADMISSIBLE AND IMPROPER ARGUMENTS.

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NOW OPEN RURAL. LET'S CHERISH AND PROTECT OPEN RURAL. LET'S HAVE A HIGH STANDARD INSTEAD OF A LOW STANDARD. WANT TO CHANGE FROM OPEN RURAL TO SOMETHING ELSE. GIVE US REASONS, NOT THREATS.

NOT INTIMIDATION. AND I WILL CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO A WONDERFUL BOOK -- I THINK IT CAME OUT IN 1998 BY PRING AND KANAM. PENELOPE WHO IS PATRICK KANAM'S SISTER CO-WROTE WHILE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF DENVER A LOVELY BOOK CALLED "SLAPS." GETTING SUED FOR SPEAKING OUT.

THIS CASE IS ALSO CONTAMINATED OF A SLAP SUIT MADE AGAINST THE INTERVENOR MR. LIOTA BY THE DEVELOPER.

THE DEVELOPER COME IN HERE TO MAKE THREATS TO FILE SLAP SUITS, AUTOMATIC TURN DOWN. NEVER LET A DEVELOPER TO THREATEN A CITIZEN AGAIN. MY LATE FRIEND DIANE MILLS AND OTHER LOCAL ACTIVISTS WERE REPEATEDLY THREATENING AND DEVELOPERS DO IT IN WRITING JUST AS THE THREAT WAS DELIVERED TO MR. LIOTA. A VIOLATION OF POLICY.

MR. LIOTA COULD SUE IF A LAWSUIT WAS FILED.

I THINK THE PROCEEDING IS CONTAMINATED BY THE SLAP BRUTE AND MR. BURNETT'S CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

I DON'T SEE HIM. IF HE IS IN HERE I WOULD LIKE TO QUESTION HIM OF CROSS EXAMINATION OF FLORIDA RULE AND FEDERAL RULE OF EVIDENCE 611 C AS A PARTY OPPONENT.

BECAUSE WE SHOULD NOT TOLERATE CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

A MAN CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS. THE SUPREME COURT HAD IT RIGHT AND THE BIBLE IN MATTHEW. A MAN CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MR. SLAVIN.

YES, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> JOHN CORDIC, 404 MUNUCI ROAD. THIS IS MY VIDEO.

I WILL LET THE VIDEO TALK. TUESDAY AFTERNOON AT 1 P.M.

>> YOU CAN HEAR THE BIRDS AND NATURE AND PEACEFUL AND QUIET IT IS JUST LIKE IT IS IN HERE RIGHT NOW.

THAT IS MY PROPERTY OF THE LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT.

A 40-FOOT EASEMENT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS PROJECT HAS GOTTEN THIS FAR WITH THE 40-FOOT EASEMENT.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: PLEASE SPEAK IN THE MIC.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS GOT SO FAR WITH 40-FOOT EASEMENT.

A GIRL WALKING HER SON. SOMEONE WALKING A DOG.

CUTTING GRASS. WASN'T A CAR FOR TEN MINUTES ON THAT ROAD. THIS IS WHAT WE BOUGHT.

WE DIDN'T BUY THIS FOR A SIDE STREET TO TURN INTO A MAIN ROAD.

AND THIS IS WHAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO DO.

YOU ARE GOING TO TURN THIS INTO U.S. 1 BECAUSE ALL THAT TRAFFIC WILL FUNNEL RIGHT THROUGH THERE AND AGAIN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS PROJECT GOT SO FAR WITH A 40-FOOT EASEMENT RIGHT THERE.

FROM WHAT I -- WHAT I SAW ON YOUR ORDINANCES, IT HAS GOT TO BE A 50 FOOT FOR A MINOR ROAD. THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A MINOR, THIS IS A 60 FOOT FROM WHAT YOU GUYS IN YOUR ORDINANCES.

I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY GOT THROUGH.

YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT CHANGING THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THIS IS GOING TO DESTROY THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE IS NO MAIN ROAD THIS SUBDIVISION IS COMING OUT OF.

IT IS COMING OUT OF A SIDE STREET.

THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. AND SHE DOES THAT THREE TIMES A DAY. I THINK YOU ALL KNOW -- FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, KARLA -- I AM NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR HER, JUST SOMETHING I HEARD, WAS PRESENTED WITH THE 165 OR WITH ONE EXIT ON MCNUCCIO ROAD. AT THE END OF THE MEETING, SHE SAID TWO EXITS. ALREADY MADE A NICE DEAL WITH THESE PEOPLE. SO I AM NOT EVEN SURE IF I SHOULD SAY THAT OR NOT, BUT I HAD TO BRING THAT UP.

THANK YOU. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. JOE MCANERY, ST. JOHNS, FLORIDA.

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I AM IMPRESSED WITH THE VIDEO. AND I WOULD SAYS THERE ALSO A PRINCIPLE CALLED ESTABLISHED ORDERLY DEVELOPED.

THAT APPEARS TO BE A ORDERLY ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT.

AND YES PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THEY NEED TO EXIST IN SYSTEMS. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBJECTIVE A 215 C. IT IS A TOOL IN YOUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT TOOLBOX. IT IS A TOOL THAT YOU CAN USE.

IT IS A TOOL THAT YOU HAVE USED AND A TOOL THAT SHOULD BE USED AGAINST HERE.YS CLEARLY IS THAT FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE TO BE MADE, ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE THE AMENDMENT EITHER EXISTS OR IS PROGRAMMED AND FUNDED THROUGH AN ADOPTED I'M HERE TO TELL YOUS NO PROGRAM OR FUNDED OR ADOPTED CAPITAL PROGRAM TO IMPROVE THAT ROAD.

WHEN THIS IS APPLIED SHOULD BE APPLIED EVENLY THROUGH THE COUNTY. WHEN YOU HAVE USED A 125 C IN ONE INSTANCE. IT SHOULD BE USED EQUALLY IN ALL INSTANCES. LOOK LET'S AT THE MAC V PROPERTY WHICH YOU DID DENY ON MARCH 15TH.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE DETAILS BUT STATE ROUTE 16 WAS RAISED BY COMMISSIONERS HERE AS A MAJOR CONCERN AND FOR THAT REASON AND THE FACT THAT PROPORTIONAL FAIR SHARE DIDN'T COME CLOSE TO FUNDING WHAT WAS NEEDED, IT WAS DENIED BY A 5-0 VOTE. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE PORTER PROPERTY. A MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF IMPACTED ROADS INCLUDING LINK 26, LEWIS SPEEDWAY, $11 MILLION NEEDED TO WIDEN THAT TO FOUR LANES.

A ROUNDABOUT, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF A ROUNDABOUT CURES $11 MILLION WORTH OF WIDENING TO FOUR LANES. BUT CLEARLY, YOU CAN READ THROUGH THE CURRENT COMMITMENTS UNFUNDED, UNSECURED, NO COMMITMENTS. GO RIGHT ON DOWN THE LIST.

IT DOES NOT MEET A 125 C. YOU HAVE USED THAT TO DENY OTHER PROJECTS. YOU SHOULD USE THAT HERE TO DENY THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MR. MCIN ERNIE. IF YOU WILL TURN THAT INTO STAFF. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO COMMENT

PLEASE LINEUP UP. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS SARAH BROWN, 3700 LEWIS SPEEDWAY. I HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS.

I'M GRATEFUL THE PORTER PROPERTY HAS GONE FROM 230 HOMES DOWN TO 208. I THINK THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE.

I LIKE THE INSIDE OF THE PUD. VERY MUCH.

I THINK THE IMPACT HOWEVER TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY IS UNSUSTAINABLE AND THEN PERSONALLY, MY IMPACT IS THAT I WILL BE UNABLE TO LEAVE MY DRIVEWAY.

IT GOES RIGHT INTO THE TURN ABOUT AS THEY'RE SUGGESTING IT NOW. ACCESS TO NORTH HORSE SHOE WILL NOT BE AT THE SOUTH HORSE SHOE ROAD.

SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO LEAVE EXCEPT TO GO AROUND.

THEN DURING PERIODS OF HIGH RAINFALL, AND EVEN MODERATE RAINFALL, THE STREET OVER FLOWS. IF THE STREET IS FLOODED AND I CAN'T GET OUT, EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN'T GET IN.

THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S VERY CUMBERSOME AND PERSONALLY TO ME.

THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE EQUALLY IMPACTED.

THEN IF WE ADD TO THIS THAT WE HAVE SCHOOL BUS ROUTES NOW ON HORSE SHOE BECAUSE A THE DEVELOPMENT, THE FAMILIES ARE COMING IN. THE ROAD IS SO NARROW THAT THERE IS NOT A GOOD OR EVEN OPPORTUNITIES FOR A SCHOOL BUS TO ONE, LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ONCE THE DROPS OFF OR PICKS UP THE CHILDREN. BUT THERE'S ALSO NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SCHOOL BUS TO TURN AROUND TO GET BACK TO THE PREVIOUS EXIT. SO I THINK THAT'S JUST A

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HORRIBLE SAFETY ISSUE. BUT, DURING THE RAIN, THE ROAD WON'T BE NAVIGATABLE. THREE YEARS AGO WE HAD A PORTA POTTY BLOWUP WITH SOMEONE IT IT. HAD THAT NEEDED FIRE RESPONSE RESCUE CREWS TO GO TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OR THE OPPOSITE ENTRANCE RATHER THAN NORTH HORSE SHOE.

WHO KNOWS WHAT IMPACTS TO THOSE HOUSES IT COULD HAVE BEEN, JUST THE EXTRA 35, 40 SECONDS. ADDITIONALLY, THE ROAD IS 35 MILES PER HOUR THEORETICALLY. WE KNOW THAT'S -- WE ALL THINK OF SPEED LIMITS AS GUIDANCE BUT WITH STATION 12 AT U.S. 1, AND LEWIS SPEEDWAY, AND NO IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LEWIS SPEEDWAY IN PLACE TO WIDEN, IT'S ALREADY CHALLENGING FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO TRAVEL THROUGH THE STRETCH AND SO --

>> YES, MA'AM. >> WITH THE TURN ABOUT, I CAN SLOWING DOWN JUST DOESN'T SEEM RATIONAL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS..- >> BUT I WANT MORE.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST: >> YES, MA'AM.

>> I AM NEVA FORMAN, I LIVE ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

THERE ARE SO MANY ISSUES WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT IT'S HARD TO NAME THEM ALL. DRAINAGE AND A LARGE QUANTITY OF HOUSES AND A CURRENTLY OPEN RURAL ZONING.

AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS A PROBLEM.

WE HAVE VERY NARROW ROADS. SAFETY OF THE PEDESTRIANS AND CHILDREN WALKING ON OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND MANUCI.

NOW THE BUSINESSES IS A ROUND. THE IMPACT OF ROUNDABOUT WILL IMPACT EVERY VEHICLE TRAVELLING LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

MOTORISTS WILL HAVE TO SLOW CONSIDERABLE ON THE SWEEPING CURVE PERHAPS TO 25 MILES AN HOUR TO ENTER THE CIRCLE WHICH IS VERY SMALL. ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO TOTALLY CHANGE THE CURRENT TRAFFIC FLOW ON THIS HIGHLY-TRAFFICKED ROAD JUST TO ENABLE THIS PROJECT TO PROCEED? ETM IS TRYING DESPERATELY TO PLAN A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND NOW THEY HAVE COME UP WITH THIS NEW PLAN.

MAKES MORE CHANGES TO THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.

AND IS NOT PRESENTED THE ACTUAL PLAN UNTIL TODAY.

THERE WILL BE FEWER HOUSES ON THIS VERY WET PARCEL.

NOTHING HAS BEEN AGREED TO AND MUCH IS STILL UP IN THE AIR.

WHAT ABOUT THIS DESIGN IS ACCEPTABLE? NOTHING IN KEEPING WITH CURRENT ZONING REQUIREMENTS OR FOR A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT TO BE ADJACENT TO OUR OPEN RURAL AREA.

I LAST BUT NOT LEAST ISSUE IS THE LARGE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO MAKE THE TURN ON OLD LEWIS SPEED WAY AND THEN TURN OFF OLD LEWIS ON TO MANUCI.

THE PAVEMENT IS 19 FEET WIDE. HOW IS A HUGE TRACTOR TRAILER WITH TRUSSES OR SO FORTH GOING TO MAKE THIS TURN SAFELY? THERE ARE STILL WAY TOO MANY ISSUES WITH THIS PLAN YET TO BE RESOLVED OR DISCUSSED SO PLEASE VOTE NO AND DENY THIS

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST:

THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> HI, MY NAME IS SHERRY BRIGGMAN. I'M AT 5325 PORTER ROAD EXTENSION. I AM NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE, BUT YOU'RE FIXING TO DROP A CITY INTO MY 45 PLUS YEAR COUNTRY WAY OF LIFE. IT IS A QUIET SAFE AND PEACEFUL AREA. BECAUSE MOST OF THE AREA IS ONE HOUSE PER FIVE ACRES. FROM PORTER ROAD EXTENSION TO SARTILLO. LEWIS SPEEDWAY AVENUE A AND B, SARTILLO, PORTER AND 5TH STREETS ARE NOT BUILT FOR HIGHER-IMPACT TRAFFICS. ALREADY LONG WAITS TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY. THAT INCLUDES YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. ONE POLICE SAID IT TOOK HIM SEVEN MINUTES TO GET OUT FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OUT TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY WITH THE CURRENT ONE RED LIGHT, NO WIDENING OF

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ROADS ANYWAY. NO UPDATES.

ADD 200 PLUS MORE AND TRAFFIC FLOW STOPS.

IT'S DANGEROUS AT AVENUE D AND SAN SEBASTIAN.

AND LEWIS SPEEDWAY COMING OUT OF HERE.

AS THERE'S NO HELP FROM THE COUNTY, THEY COULD USE A RED LIGHT. IT'S ALSO DANGEROUS, PORTER AND SARTILLO HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED BY THE COUNTY FOR YEARS.

THERE'S NOWHERE TO PARK BUT AT THE BUS STOP.

WE USE SARTILLO NO ONE STOPS WHEN WE COME DOWN PORTER, THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO USE D AVENUE.

WE USE SARTILLO AND NOBODY STOPS.

AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE PICTURES FROM THE, THAT I HAVE HERE, THIS IS THE BUS STOP AT PORTER ROAD IN THE CORNER OF SARTILLO.

YOU SEE MY CAR, I'M PARKED IN PORTER ROAD.

THERE'S NOWHERE TO PULL OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

I HAVE TO WALK ACROSS THAT ROAD TO PICK THESE CHILDREN UP AT THE DOOR OF THE BUS. THAT'S MY GRANDCHILDREN.

THAT'S THE BUS STOP. THERE'S NOWHERE TO PARK.

THERE'S NOWHERE, IT'S JUST VERY DANGEROUS.

THE BUS, THE DEVELOPER SAID THE BUS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY SAID THE BUSES DO NOT GO ON SARTILLO. THERE'S YOUR PROOF.

YOU TALK TO THE BUS DRIVER AND SAID THERE'S THREE BUSES THAT TAKE THAT ROUTE ON TO SARTILLO. SARTILLO IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR TWO TRUCKS TO PASS WITHOUT PULLING OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. OKAY.

THERE WAS NO HELP AT ALL FOR PORTER ROAD EXTENSION FROM THE COUNTY SO WE'VE BUILT THAT ROAD OURSELVES.

AFTER 40 PLUS YEARS, PORTER ROAD AND SARTILLO GOT PAVED.

HOW THEY GOT PAVED, I DON'T KNOW.

THEY ARE 14 FEET WIDE. DRAINAGE IS NO GOOD.

TREES ARE FALLING ON MY LAND. WE WILL END UP LIKE MARSH LANDING AS NOTHING IN THE DEVELOPER'S PLAN TO GET WATER

THE >>

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST: THANK YOU.

MA'AM. PLEASE TURN IN WHAT YOU

PRESENTED. >> DEBBIE JAMES, 557 NORTH HORSE

SHOE ROAD. >> FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE VOTING ON WHAT ZONING BOARD DENIED. NOT, THIS IS PLAN A, THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE TELLING YOU. THEY DENIED IT.

NUMBER B, SO KEEP IN MIND WE KNOW THE ALTERNATIVES AND JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP. MY FAMILY AND I HAVE LIVED ON NORTH HORSE SHOE ROAD SINCE 1997.

IS THAT RIGHT? 1976.

I'M SORRY. A LONG TIME.

WE HAVE SEEN. WE HAD DIRT ROADS.

WE WERE OPEN RURAL. WE ARE RESIDENTIAL BUT WE'RE STILL NOT RESIDENTIAL WE'RE COUNTRY.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE THERE. THAT'S WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE THERE. WE ENJOY OUR COMMUNITY.

ANYWAY, IN CONCERNING THE ROUNDABOUT, I CANNOT GET OUT.

I CAN'T SEE HOW I'M GOING TO GET OUT TURNING RIGHT ON A ROUNDABOUT. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LINE TRYING TO GET AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT.

I'M DENIED COMING FROM THE COURTHOUSE GOING LEFT TO GET ON MY STREET. I'M DENIED THAT.

I HAVE TO GO BACK TO SOUTH HORSE SHOE TO GO IN.

THAT'S NOT RIGHT. IT'S NOT SAFE.

IT'S A BLIND CURVE. STILL A BLIND CURVE EVEN THOSE IT'S A ROUNDABOUT. IT'S DANGEROUS.

MY NEIGHBOR DOWN THE STREET WAS HIT ON BOTH DIRECTIONS.

SHE HAD SURGERIES. SHE CAN'T WORK.

IT'S DANGEROUS. SLOWING THE SPEED WOULD HELP.

YELLOW LIGHTS WOULD HELP. A ROUNDABOUT NO.

LEWIS SPEED WAY IS CALLED A SPEEDWAY.

ALSO THE TRAFFIC WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

THE IMPACT WON'T GO THERE. BUT THE LAST 10 MONTHS, MANUCI ROAD AND PORTER ROADS ALL JOINED TOGETHER TO FIGHT THIS PROJECT.

WE DIDN'T WANT IT. WE STARTED OUT IN HUGE NUMBERS BUT NOW BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK WE START IN THE SUMMERTIME WITH THE FIRST MEETINGS AND WE WERE LOADED WITH PEOPLE.

WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO WORK.

THEY CAN'T BE HERE. THERE'S VERY FEW TO SPEAK.

OUR ATTENDANCE IS LOW. THE DEVELOPERS HAVE WARN US OUT.

WE'RE TIRED. OUR LEADER WAS TIRED.

THE ZONING BOARD DENIED IT TWICE AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN.

SO I HOPE YOU CONSIDER OUR LIVES WHAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT

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UP WITH IF THIS IS NOT DENIED. AND IN CLOSING, THE DEVELOPERS THEY WILL BUILD. THEY WILL LEAVE.

BUT WE WILL HAVE TO PAY THE CONSEQUENCES IF THIS IS NOT DENIED. AND I ASK THAT YOU DENY IT.

THANK YOU VERY >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM.

>> GOOD MORNING. I'M BEVERLY, I LIVE ON 5060 PORTER ROAD. WHEN I RETIRED, I MOVED TO THIS CRIME-FREE COMMUNITY RURAL AREA WHERE CHILDREN PLAY FREELY WITHOUT THE DANGER OF BEING BITTEN BY SNAKES OVER RUN OVER BY CAR. WHERE WILD ANIMALS RUN AND WE GROW FRUIT TREES AND HAVE CHICKENS PREPARING FOR THE DIFFICULT TIME AHEAD. WE HAVE SEEN BALD EAGLES.

HAWKS AND OWLS. THERE ARE TURTLES, DEERS, RACCOONS AND WILD TURKEYS AND VENOMOUS SNAKES.

THEY OF COURSE WILL LEAVE THEIR ENVIRONMENT AND THEY WILL PUT AN ENDANGER THE CHILDREN THAT PLAY IN ALL THE YARDS.

TODAY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BEGINNING ABOUT CHILDREN'S SAFETY AND ABUSE AND NEGLECTED THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THOSE CHILDREN. I HAVE, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT HAS OPPOSED TO ALL THIS NEW AGENDA REASON THAT THIS PRISTINE LAND SHOULD NOT BE ALTERED. IT WILL ALTER OUR ENVIRONMENT, THE ANIMALS LIFE AND THE CHILDREN'S SAFETY.

THEREFORE I AM ASKING TO PLEASE BE CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT YOUR VOTE

BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYBODY >> I'M A FOURTH GENERATION LANDOWNER ON PORTER ROAD AND PLAN ON CONTINUING -- FUTURE GENERATIONS MAINTAINING THE OWNERSHIP HERE.

I ASK YOU TO BE OUR COMMUNITY VOICE AND DENY THE PORTER PROJECT PUD. THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD HAVE GIVEN AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR ALREADY DEVELOPED COMMUNITY AND FAILED TO FIND A WAY TO LOGICALLY AND SAFELY IMPLEMENT THEIR PROJECT. PLEASE CONSIDER THE PZA'S CONCERNS STATED ON THEIR STAFF REPORT FOR THEIR TWO-TIME DENIAL OF THIS PROJECT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO STATE MR. BURNETT WAS AT ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD AND HERE WHEREVER HE WAS AT ALL OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

SO AND NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT SARTILLO.

THE 14 AND EIGHT INCHES THAT THE ROAD IS THAT EVERYBODY ON PORTER ROAD USES TO GET IN AND OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

NO 1 USES AVENUE D. NOBODY GOES DOWN TO PORTER ROAD AND TRIES TO CROSS U.S. 1 WHEN WE CAN DOWN GO DOWN TO LEWIS SPEED WAY. I ASK YOU TO DENY THEIR PROJECT

TODAY. >> LAURA O'CONNER, 4957 AVENUE D. I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 29 YEARS.

EVERYBODY DISLIKES THE TERMS CLIMATE CHANGE AND SEA LEVEL RISE, BUT THE FACT IS, THOSE THINGS ARE HAPPENING.

I HAVE WATCHED MY PROPERTY GO FROM FLOODING IN THE BACK WHERE THE PROPERTY TILTS THAT WAY AND IT'S EXPECTED, THE LAST FIVE YEARS I HAD WATER FLOODING MY FRONT YARD, THE SEA LEVEL IS RISING. I HAVE A FREE FLOWING WELL THE LAST FIVE YEARS. SO THAT IS A CONCERN.

WHEN YOU GO IN AND CUT DOWN TREES SUCKING UP WATER FOR THE LAST 200 YEARS AND CUT THEM ALL DOWN, WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING? YOU CANNOT DO THIS. IT SAYS WE WERE OPEN RURAL

>> THEY WANT TO GO RS 2. TWO HOMES PER ACRE.

NOT NET ACRE. TWO HOMES PER ACRE AND HERE SHE'S DOING 50 FOOT BY 100 FOOT LOTS.

THAT'S SIX HOMES PER ACRE. NOT TWO.

IT'S GETTING OUT THE HAND. THE TRAFFIC IS UNTENABLE.

THIS LADY, I AGREE WITH HER ABOUT NOT DOING THIS PROJECT.

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BUT AVENUE D DOES GET A LOT OF USE AND THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED IT KEEP SAYING PORTER ROAD, PORTER ROAD.

PORTER ROAD GOES NOWHERE. ALL THAT TRAFFIC THEY SAY PORTER ROAD IS EITHER GOING DOWN AVENUE D OR SARTILLO.

A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO NORTH.

SHE'S USING FIFTH STREET AS AN EXIT.

I HAVE SEEN 5TH STREET MANY TIMES.

EVERY TIME THERE'S A HURRICANE AND WE HAVE TWO WEEKS OF RAIN.

THERE'S NO MENTION OF ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO AVENUE D OR THAT CORNER. AND YOU WANT TO GO OUT 5TH STREET, YOU'RE WAITING. THERE'S JUST NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT MANY HOMES ON THAT PROPERTY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ALMOST 12:30. B.J. KLATY.

DENY THE REQUEST BASED ON THE COMMENTS YOU HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS. THIS EXPIRED 2021 ACCORDING TO YOUR PACKET INFORMATION. 4-18-22, YESTERDAY, RED FOLDER IS LAST MINUTE EFFORT BY THE DEVELOPER TO CONVINCE AND MANIPULATE THIS BOARD. THE JANUARY 25, 2022, GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP SHOULD HAVE SENT A CLEAR MESSAGE TO THIS BOARD AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, GREED.

VERSUS QUALITY OF LIFE CONTINUES TO BE THE ISSUE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS PROJECT AS PRESENTED DOES NOT FIT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. DENY THIS REQUEST.

LET THE DEVELOPER SHOW THEIR GREED AND THEIR INTENT BY DOING WHAT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO INSTEAD OF COMING IN HERE AND PRETENDING THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE BEST THING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. DON'T USE A SCARE TACTIC.

WE'RE NOT STUPID. AND I WANT TO THANK THE GENTLEMEN FOR PROVIDING THE VIDEO.

THAT TELLS YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO DENY IN REQUEST AND ALSO AGAIN I WILL CONTINUE TO COME IN HERE AND CONTINUE TO THANK THE RESIDENTS AND THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WANT TO PROTECT THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE INSTEAD OF HAVING THE GREED TAKEN OVER BY THE DEVELOPERS IN THIS COUNTY.

AND ALSO AS A FOOTNOTE, DURING THE BREAK, MR. BLOCKER FORGOT TO REPORT HE SPOKE WITH A RESIDENT WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC BUT HE HAD TO LEAVE BECAUSE YOU SEE SOME OF US CAN'T STAY HERE ALL DAY AND IT'S VERY OBVIOUS HOW MR. DEAN IS GOING TO VOTE BECAUSE OF THE THREAT WHAT WILL BE THERE IF IT'S NOT PASSED. LET'S STAND UP TO THEM.

THE PZA STOOD UP AGAINST THEM TWICE.

IT'S IN YOUR COURT TO STAND UP AGAINST THEM.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST: THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT.

>> I AM DEBBIE TABOR. I LIVE AT 5285 PORTER ROAD EXTENSION. WE MOVED AND BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY HERE FIVE YEARS AGO. SO MY HUSBAND AND I BOTH GREW UP OUR WHOLE LIFE LIVING IN THE HEART OF A CITY IN APARTMENTS WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC, THE LIGHTS, THE NOISE, EVERYTHING.

SO WHEN WE RETIRED, WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO BUY PROPERTY THAT HAS SOME LAND AND THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT KIND OF STUFF ANY LONGER. SO THIS WAS OUR DREAM PROPERTY WHEN WE FOUND IT. AND PURCHASED IT FIVE YEARS AGO.

AND THE OTHER THING I NOTICED IS NOBODY HAD MENTIONED BUT DOWN HERE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER ON SAN SEBASTION, THEY'RE BUILDING ANOTHER PROJECT THERE AND NOBODY ALSO HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS MILL ROAD OR MILL PROJECT RIGHT HERE ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY THAT IS PROPOSED ALSO. SO NOW YOU'VE GOT THIS PORTER PROJECT. YOU HAVE THESE OTHER TWO PROJECTS IN THE WORKS. WHERE IS ALL THIS TRAFFIC GOING? I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT AT ALL WHERE THIS.

IT'S GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE. BUT I GUESS IT'S GOING TO BE A

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NIGHTMARE FOR ALL OF US AND I GUESS YOU GUYS TOO BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO COME TO WORK HERE. AND PLUS OUR PROPERTY HAS WETLANDS THAT ARE RIGHT AROUND THEY GO INTO THE BACK OF OUR HOUSE AND ALONG THE SIDE OF OUR HOUSE.

SO, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT.

AS TIME GOES ON AND THIS PROJECT IF IT GETS APPROVED, WHICH I'M PRAYING PLEASE DENY THIS PROJECT.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A TOTAL NIGHTMARE FOR US AND ESPECIALLY FOR THE PEOPLE ON SARTILLO ROAD. WE USE SARTILLO ROAD EVERY SINGLE DAY. MY HUSBAND HAS A BIG PICKUP TRUCK AND CANNOT GET DOWN THAT ROAD IF ANOTHER CAR IS COMING WITHOUT GETTING ON THE MEDIAN. I DID IT IN MY CAR AND THE MEDIAN WAS SOFT AND I HAD TROUBLE GETTING OUT OF THE MEDIAN TO GET BACK ON THE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST HOPE YOU DENY THIS PROJECT.

IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST: THANK YOU.

MA'AM. SEEING NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM THREE.

>> WE WILL TURN IT BACK TO THE APPLICANT TO CLOSE.

>> REAL QUICKLY, I WANT TO PULL UP THE PRESENTATION.

COULD YOU JUMP INTO THE POWER POINT.

THANK YOU. LET'S ADVANCE AND LOOK AT THE SLIDES. I WILL KIND OF ADDRESS THE COMMENTS IN THE ORDER AS I WAS TAKING NOTES AS WE PROCEEDED.

I THINK IT WILL CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THE INFORMATION ON WHAT WE HAVE. SO NUMBER ONE, JUST BEGINNING WITH THE FORMAL OPPOSITION. WE DID RECEIVE AND MODIFIED OUR PUD TEXT TO INCLUDE THE CONDITION TO RECORD AN ABGATION EASEMENT. ON FEBRUARY 28TH, WE WENT BEFORE THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY. THEY REAFFIRMED THE POLICY AND GAVE US A SAMPLE FORM USED FOR MADERA.

THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED. REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT IS FOR AMENDMENTS. WE ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA OF YOUR FUTURE LAND MAP.

WE ARE IN RESIDENTIAL B. TWO DWELLING UNITS TO NET ACRE AND WE'RE HERE TO LOOK AT THE REZONING.

WE WILL FOLLOW THOSE POLICIES TO DIRECT US FOR WHAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT ADDRESSING REZONING AND GENERALLY THAT FALLS IN THAT BUCKET OF COMPATIBILITY WHERE WE LOOK AT REDUCTION IN DENSITY BEFORE YOU IN YOUR RED FOLDERS IS 208 UNITS.

HOW THAT AFFECTS TRAFFIC FROM MITIGATION FOR OUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AND THE SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT OF THE ROUNDABOUT ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY. DRAIN AGE WHICH CAN BE EXCEEDED AND ALLOW FOR A GREATER POND SYSTEM ON SITE BY THE REMOVAL OF THE LOTS AND CLUSTERING AND ADDING ENHANCED BUFFERING WHICH WE PROPOSE RESIDENTIAL USE AND RESIDENTIAL USES OF COMMUNITY.

WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY DISSIMILAR USE.

IT'S HOMES AND FOLKS WHERE THEY LIVE AND WILL BE ENJOYING AND HAVING THE SAME PATTERN OF LIFE WE SEE NOW.

I WANT TO TOUCH ON THE TWO PLANS.

LOOKING AT THE VIDEO OR MANUCI ROAD.

THIS PLAN ALLOWS FOR LARGER CAPITAL AND DO CARRY OUR SIDEWALK DOWN MANUCI TO CONNECT UP TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK WE SEE ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY NOW. YOU WILL SEE THAT AS PART OF THE ROUNDABOUT PLAN. AS FAR AS HAVING TO UTILIZE THE STREET PAVEMENT THIS TIME, YOU WITH JOG AND BIKE ON THE SIDEWALK SYSTEM THAT WILL BE PROVIDED FOR SAFETY.

THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN ENHANCEMENTS.

FOR THE ROUNDABOUT ON SHOWING THAT INCLUSION, THAT WAS ABOUT SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS FOR TURNING AND THROUGH THE MOVEMENTS.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET TO THAT. WE WORKED WITH YOUR PLANNING STAFF SO ACCESS TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY WILL BE MAINTAINED DURING CONSTRUCTION AND AFTER CONSTRUCTION PROVIDING FOR THOSE MANEUVERS NOW AS A SAFE INFRASTRUCTURE TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND SLOWING DOWN THE SPEED WAY WE HAVE.

I WILL CONCLUDE AND MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. MR. JEFF CRAMMIN ON THE CHANGE BETWEEN WHAT WE WOULD BUILD. WHAT IS ENTITLED UNDER OPEN RURAL AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING NOW.

>> THIS PROJECT IS IN DISTRICT FIVE.

I WILL BE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

ARE THERE COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD: >> YES.

I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. COULD YOU CLARIFY THE TIMING OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE SOURCE OF

FUNDING. >> THAT IS PART OF YOUR RED LINE HANDOUT TO SHOW WE WILL COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROUNDABOUT

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AT THE SAME TIME WE COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SUB DIVISION ITSELF. SO THAT MEANS BOTH PLANS GO INTO REVIEW. THE ROUNDABOUT THAT'S WITHIN YOUR ACTUAL RIGHT-OF-WAY WILL BE BONDED SO FOR THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, WE WILL PLACE A BOND WITH THE COUNTY.

SO YOU WILL HAVE THAT PLACED BY THE DEVELOPER AND IT WILL BE COMPLETED BEFORE THE AS BUILTS OF THE INTERNAL ROADWAY, THE ASBUILTS OF THE ROADWAY NETWORK ARE IN.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE ASBUILTS BEFORE YOU HAVE YOUR VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION. IT'S INTUITIVE IN THIS SENSE THAT LEWIS SPEEDWAY EXISTS. WE'RE PROVIDING, THE DEVELOPER WILL PROVIDE THE FUNDING. THEY SECURE WITH REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS BOND. WE'RE WORKING WITH AN EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY. YOU HAVE THAT MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC. IT WILL BE OPEN TO TRAFFIC AS WE'RE FINALING AS BUILT SIGN OFF WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT.

IT WILL BE COMPLETE VERTICAL

PROJECT. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD: THANK YOU. YOU MENTIONED THE SIDEWALK.

I HAD RECEIVED E-MAILS FROM THE SAFETY OF THE BUS ROUTE? POSSIBLY MOVE THE BUS STOP SO THE KIDS HAVE A PLACE TO STAND.

>> THEY'RE HAPPY TO COORDINATE WITH THAT.

PROVIDING FOR THAT. DEFINITELY ON OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY WE'RE RUNNING DOWN THE SIDEWALK. HAPPY TO DO THAT.

YES. MR. WHITEHURST.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST: THROUGH THE CHAIR TO LEGAL.

SHOULD WE BE HEARING THIS? HAVE WE GONE THROUGH THE DUE

PROCESS? >> I THINK YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH THE DUE PROCESS WHILE OTHERS WERE SPEAKING.

I LOOKED AT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY MINUTES.

THEY DID OFFER COMMENT TO MR. LIOTA.

HE DECLINED. THEY DID MAKE A NORMAL VOTE AND APPROVED 4-0. THE ISSUES REGARDING AT ETHICAL CONCERNS REGARDING MR. BURNETT ARE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS PROCEEDING. THERE ARE OTHER AGENCIES THAT DEAL WITH THAT. THE COMMISSION ON ETHICS AND FLORIDA BAR. IF HE WISHES TO PURSUE THOSE ISSUES, HE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THOSE AGENCIES.

AS FAR AS PROCEEDING HERE TODAY. I THINK EVERYTHING IS IN ORDER

TO TAKE A VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION.

FOR STAFF. MR. CORDIC MENTIONED THE 40-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY AND STATED HE CAN'T BELIEVE IT HAS GOT TO THIS POINT. DOES THIS COMPLY WITH OUR ORDINANCES AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WE CAN'T EVEN HAVE A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD GIVEN THE

RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT EXISTS? >> MS. HAGAN.

THIS IS A TRUST BUT VERIFY THING WHEN A RESIDENT RAISES A CONCERN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. DICK, THIS DOES ALLOW FOR A PROVISION UTILIZING LESS THAN A STANDARD WIDTH TO ALLOW FOR A

WIDER SIDEWALK. >> THANK YOU.

THE LAST THING I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON IS I HEARD A LOT OF VERY COMPELLING TESTIMONY FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SMART.

AND THEY ARTICULATED THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC.

FOR ME. IF THIS WAS GOING TO STOP THE TRAFFIC TO DENY THIS PROJECT, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. VOTING NO ON THIS AND DENYING THIS PROJECT WON'T STOP THE TRAFFIC.

FOR THAT REASON, I'M INCLINED TO VOTE YES.

I MIGHT BE THE ONLY COMMISSIONER THAT THINKS THAT WAY.

I FEEL THE NEED TO VOICE MY THOUGHTS TO YOU HAVING HEARD ALL THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TODAY.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: OKAY. IF I COULD GET MIKE TO COME UP OR AND PROBABLY DICK. JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

MIKE ROBERSON, GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

>> I ASKED YOU LAST NIGHT OR YESTERDAY AFTERNOON WHEN WE LOOK AT TRIPS, ARE THE CALCULATIONS FOR THE NEW ONES THAT THE CITY HAS APPROVED IN THOSE TRIPS, THE NEW APARTMENTS COMING ON SEBASTION WAY? THE POTS GOLF COURSE ACROSS U.S.

1. THE OTHER LAND THE CITY HAS THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF RAILROAD TRACKS TO THE NORTH OF SAN SEBASTION WAY.

I LOOK TO FONG AND GOT THE NUMBERS FROM THE RESIDENTS.

THEY ARE NOT CALCULATED IN THE TRAFFIC CALCULATIONS FOR THIS.

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>> SO THE ROAD WOULD EVEN HAVE YOUR IMPACTED ALREADY BY THOSE

ON COMING SUBDIVISIONS? >> I THINK, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN SAY THEY WOULDN'T BE.

ESPECIALLY THE ONE, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT IS RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE COUNTY. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS

ON IT. >> GOING BACK TO THE OR PROJECT, THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE IT HAD TO BE WELL AND SEPTIC.

IT WOULD BE WELL AND SEPTIC. IF THEY PLAT, DO THEY NOT HAVE TO GO BY THE SUBDIVISION GUIDELINES?

>> THEY DO. THEY DO HAVE TO GO BY SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. THERE IS A PROVISION IN OUR CODE THAT'S AN EXEMPTION FOR LOTS OVER 1 ACRE AND I SENT YOU AN E-MAIL. THAT WAS, IT DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN THERE. I SENT YOU A SUBSEQUENT E-MAIL.

BASICALLY SUBDIVISIONS THAT NON-PUDS ARE EXEMPT FROM CONNECTING TO CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER.

HOWEVER, I DID CHECK WITH OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SEWER IS THAT IF YOU HAVE 50 LOTS OR GREATER, THEN YOU DO HAVE TO CONNECT TO SEWER IF YOU'RE WIN 1 QUARTER

MILE OF WHERE THE LINES ARE RUN. >> OKAY.

YES, SIR. OR NOT WITHIN A QUARTER MILE.

THEY ARE WITHIN A QUARTER MILE. >> ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH

DEPARTMENT, I CONFIRMED THAT. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: SO THE COMMENT MADE IT COULD BE WELL AND SEPTIC IS NOT RIGHT.

>> MAYBE NOT SEPTIC. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: OKAY.

HOW WIDE IS PORTER ROAD? >> 60 FEET SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: AND >> 40.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: THE EADS EASEMENT IS 40.

THAT'S INCLUDED. BECAUSE I USED TO HAVE A FRIEND THAT LIVED OFF PORTER ROAD AND WE TOOK SARTILLO.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: THE OTHER QUESTION, IF YOU GO OUT TO FOURTH STREET TO GET TO 5TH STREET, HOW WIDE ARE THOSE ROADS OUT THERE? TO GET TO U.S. 1?

>> I BELIEVE THOSE VARY IN WIDTH.

I BELIEVE MOST ARE 60 TO MY RECOLLECTION.

>> THEY DO VARY IN WIDTH. >> ALL RIGHT.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THE ROUND, THIS WOULD BE MORE TOWARD

FONG PROBABLY. >> YES, SIR.

GOOD MORNING. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: I KNOW THE ROUNDABOUT HASN'T BEEN COMPLETELY DESIGNED.

THEY HAVE AN ESTIMATED WIDTH OF 18 FEET AND A TURN.

IT HAS TO BE A LOWER CENTER PIECE WHICH MEANS SEMIS AND BUSES AND BOAT TRAILERS, UTILITY TRAILERS AND COUNTY TRUCKS TOWING ANYTHING WOULD HAVE TO GO AROUND AND THEIR WHEELS WOULD GO ON THE CENTER PIECE. HOW IN YOUR MIND, HOW IS THAT GOING TO, YOU'RE SLOWING TRAFFIC.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO LET PEOPLE OUT WITHOUT BEING FOUR LANES

LIKE A LOT OF THE ROUNDABOUTS? >> 18 FEET IS BASICALLY A ONE-WAY, ONCE YOU ENTER INTO THE ROUNDABOUT, IT BECOMES A ONE WAY SYSTEM, AND ONCE YOU EXIT THE ROUN ROUNDABOUT, THEN IT BECOMES BACK TO TWO-WAY TRAFFIC.

WE LOOKED AT THE DESIGN. WE ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT THE DESIGN FOR A MODERN ROUNDABOUT WHICH BASICALLY, BEFORE YOU ENTER INTO THE ROUNDABOUT, THERE ARE CERTAIN CONFIGURATION THAT WOULD PROHIBIT TRAVELLING VEHICLES TO ENTER INTO A HIGH SPEED. SO BASICALLY THEY HAVE TO DO I CALL THEM. THEY HAVE TO DO A DANCE TO HAVE TO GO TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT IN ORDER TO ENTER THE ROUNDABOUT.

SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DESIGN OF THE ROUNDABOUT, IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET OUR REQUIREMENT FOR CERTAIN TRUCK THAT ARE PERMISSIBLE TO TRAVEL ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

>> OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE ON THERE. YOU HAVE AN IMPACT TO ROADWAY COMMITMENT THEY CALCULATED FOR THEIR PORTION OF FAIR SHARE.

DO WE HAVE ANY, LEWIS SPEEDWAY, DO WE GO FROM TWO TO FOUR LANES? DO WE HAVE ANY PLANS OF DOING THAT ANY TIME SOON?

>> NO, SIR. WE HAVE NO PLAN TO WIDEN LEWIS

SPEEDWAY AT THIS TIME. >> OKAY AND THEN STATE ROAD 16 FROM 4 MILE TO WOODLAWN TO SIX LANES, HAS THE STATE GOT ANY

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PLANS TO DO THAT AT THIS TIME? >> THEY DO NOT.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: SO WE'RE LOOKING, WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR PLAN. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COULD BE AT LEAST FIVE OR MORE YEARS ON BOTH OF THOSE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: THE COUNTY WE HAVE NO PLAN. IT ALSO TALKED ABOUT WOODLAWN ROAD BEING FOUR LANES FROM 14 TO HERITAGE PARK.

DO WE HAVE PLANS AT THIS TIME TO DO THAT?

>> WE HAVE PLANS TO BRING IT TO IMPROVE THE FLOW.

JUST LIKE WE HAD DONE BETWEEN BASICALLY LEWIS SPEEDWAY TO PAST THE TURN. WEST OF GAINS.

AND WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WILL BE IN PLACE TO TAKE IT AT MOST LIKELY IT'S GOING TO BE THREE LANE SECTION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO STATE ROAD 16. BUT NOT A FOUR LANE.

>> DO WE HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THAT?

>> I THINK PART OF THE, WE DO NOT HAVE ALL OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. PORT OF THE PROJECT IS TO ACQUIRE SOME OF THE NECESSARY RIGHTS OF WAY IN ORDER TO EXPAND

IT. >> AND THEN BACK.

I KNOW THIS IS A DISCUSSION WE WILL HAVE AT THE WORKSHOP, THESE FIGURES OF ESTIMATED COST IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALREADY A YEAR OLD. WE'RE PROBABLY 8, 9% THAT'S CORRECT. SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: WE'RE TALKED ABOUT ESTIMATED PROJECT.

WE WON'T EVEN KNOW THE COST IN 10 YEARS.

HOW ARE WE, WELL, WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AT THE OTHER.

YOU UNDERSTAND MY CONCERNS THERE.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD ON MANUCI ROAD.

YOU HAVE 40 FOOT >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU CAN PUT A SIDEWALK WHICH THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO.

WHAT WOULD BE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN YOU GOT TWO DITCHES.

THE ROAD AND NOW SIDEWALK. WHAT DISTANCE WOULD THAT

SIDEWALK BE FROM THE ROAD? >> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DISTANCE. MAYBE BACK TO DICK, I'M SORRY.

>> WITHOUT HAVING THE FULL ENGINEERING PLANS, WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AS THEY GO THROUGH IT.

WE HAVE PROVISIONS TO ALLOW FOR A WIDER SIDEWALK ALONGSIDE IT'S RAISED. OTHERWISE TYPICAL 3 FOOT LANE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE LANE.

IF THERE NEEDS TO BE CULVERTING OF THE OPEN DISTANCE, WE WOULD

HAVE TO LOOK AT. >> ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS I GET IS SIDEWALKS BEING TOO CLOSE TO THE ROAD.

WE'RE GETTING THAT THROUGHOUT I KNOW ON WEST ESPECIALLY.

I JUST HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE TRAFFIC COMING IN INTO AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS WITH ROADS THAT ARE NOT CAPABLE OF HANDLING IT.

IT'S THE IMPROVEMENTS LEWIS SPEEDWAY, I THINK MAY HELP SOME, BUT I DON'T SEE IT BEING AN ANSWER.

EVERYBODY IS NOW THE TRAFFIC IS PICKING UP, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO A LIGHT. IF YOU LEAVE SEBASTIAN WAY, I LEAVE IT EVERY DAY TO GO HOME. I GO TO U.S. 1 TO A LIGHT OR BACK TO WOODLAWN AND BACK OUT TO 16 WHEN I LEAVE HERE.

SAME WITH MY BUSINESS. WE TRY TO FIND THE EASIEST WAY WITH LIGHTS. I'M CONCERNED THIS IS REALLY THROWING TRAFFIC INTO A SMALL AREA, OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH ISN'T FAIR TO THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

I WANTED TO SEE IF MR. LIOTA COULD COME BACK UP.

YOU RAISED A FEW ETHICAL CONCERNS.

WE HEARD OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY ADDRESS.

SOME IS OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I TOOK NOTES. YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT THAT. THE FEBRUARY 28TH MEETING IN OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY MENTIONED YOU DECLINED AN OPPORTUNITY.

CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT. YOU CAME HERE AND THERE'S PROBABLY BACKGROUND INFORMATION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE SINCE ETHICAL ISSUES CAN BE RAISED. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT?

>> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY. THERE WAS A BOARD MEETING HELD AND I WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT.

MY POINT WAS THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF ALL THIS OTHER INFORMATION BECAUSE IT WASN'T DISCLOSED AT THE TIME OF THE MEETING.

I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED WHY THE AIRPORT ATTORNEY HAD RECUSED HIMSELF FROM THE MEETING AND IF THIS, I BELIEVE, THAT IF THE INFORMATION WAS DISCLOSED AT THE TIME OF THE MEETING, I WOULD HAVE MADE A PUBLIC COMMENT HAD I KNOWN IT.

MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE MADE A PUBLIC COMMENT.

BUT WE WERE DENIED THAT RIGHT TO MAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE

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WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW.

I ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS LATER AND HAD TO DO PUBLIC RECORD REQUESTS. SPEND TIME TRACKING THINGS DOWN.

ASKING QUESTIONS AND IN FACT, THE TRANSCRIPT HAD TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL MEETING MINUTES SUGGESTED THAT THE LAWYER WHO WAS REPRESENTING THEIR ACTUALLY WORKED FOR ST.

JOHNS LAW GROUP AND THEY APPROVED THOSE MINUTES AND TURNED OUT HE DIDN'T WORK FOR ST. JOHNS LAW OFFICE.

ANYBODY THAT SPENDS ANY TIME LOOKING AT ALL THE FACTS WILL SEE THAT THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE AT BEST SLOPPY.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE ETHICS ISSUE IS NOT THE ISSUE BEFORE YOU AND I AGREE WITH YOUR ATTORNEY THAT CAN GO BEFORE THE STATE COMMISSION AND THE FLORIDA BAR, THAT ISSUE CERTAINLY.

BUT THE PROCEDURAL ISSUE DOES MATTER AND I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THEY WERE, AT LEAST TWO OTHER PROJECTS BEFORE I THINK CORDOVA PONDS AND MADERA THAT ALSO GOT AIRPORT ABGATION EASEMENTS AND THERE WAS NO REPORT RECOMMENDING IT PER THE LAND CODE. I THINK THERE'S BEEN A PROCEDURAL PROBLEM THAT HAPPENED MULTIPLE TIMES AND THIS ETHICAL ISSUE JUST BROUGHT IT TO LIGHT WITH A SPOTLIGHT IF YOU WILL.

>> I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE YOU PROVIDING THAT CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU, SIR.

IF I COULD SPEAK WITH MISS HAGAN FOR A MOMENT.

THANK YOU. SO I KNOW A LOT OF DISCUSSION INVOLVES THIS ROUNDABOUT. CAN YOU GIVE US THIS TIME TABLE WHEN THIS WOULD COME ABOUT OR WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS WOULD BE

FOR >> FOR THE CONSTRUCTION?

>> YES. WE INTEND TO FILE A ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION PLAN WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR THE SUBDIVISION. THERE'S SYNERGIES THAT MAKE SENSE THERE. WHILE THERE'S CLEARING AND GRADING GOING ON, WE CAN BEGIN OUR WORK AND COME UP WITH THE DETAILED TRAFFIC PLAN FOR THE ROUNDABOUT WE SEE HERE.

THE ROUNDABOUT'S CONSTRUCTION IS ON A SHORTER TIME CLOCK THAN THE SUBDIVISION. WE CAN ANTICIPATE EIGHT MONTHS ESSENTIALLY FOR THAT PROJECT VERSUS A LONGER RUN FOR OUR SUBDIVISION. WE WANT OUR ROUNDABOUT TO BE COMPLETE AS BUILTS FOR THE PROPERTY.

BEFORE YOU SEE VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S WHAT THE PART TO KIND OF LEARN ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT AND WHAT IT BEING WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, HAVING REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS BOND. THERE'S MONEY COVERED BY THE DEVELOPER AND IN PLACE AND UTILIZING IT DURING CONSTRUCTION AND UTILIZING IT WHILE WE WORK THROUGH WITH THE COUNTY TO SIGN

OFF ON THE CONSTRUCTION DETAIL. >> APPRECIATE THAT DETAIL.

MR. ROBERSON. THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. COMMISSIONER WALDRON BROUGHT UP A POINT THAT WAS OVER LOOKED HERE AND I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE CITY DEVELOPMENT.

I UNDERSTAND WE'RE DEALING WITH TWO DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTS HERE.

JUST YOU BE MAYBE BEYOND THIS PROJECT.

THOSE TRAFFIC IMPACTS WOULD BE HELPFUL IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE DOING OUR STUDIES ON THIS. IS THERE A WAY WE CAN COORDINATE BETTER ON THAT? AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE TO SHARE INFORMATION. THERE'S A SHARING PROCESS.

BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC.

MAYBE NOT HAVING ALL THAT IS MAYBE MAKES THIS JOB MORE DIFFICULT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE.

CAN YOU ELABORATE IN THE FUTURE ADDRESS THAT?

>> GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. >> SURE.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, MAYBE I CAN ADDRESS THAT.

THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE CONCURRENCY.

THEY DO NOT MEASURE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT TO THE SYSTEM AT ALL.

>> I'M AWARE OF THAT. THE COUNTY DOES THAT AND WE DO NOT INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF OUR CONCURRENCY MEASUREMENT.

BUT WE CAPTURE THE IMPACT TO THE SYSTEM ONCE A YEAR WHEN WE DO OUR COUNTY WIDE TRAFFIC COUNTS. SO THAT WILL GIVE US THE NUMBERS

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THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE ROAD AND THEN THEY ALSO PROVIDE US INFORMATION FOR EXAMPLE THE LANDING AND THEN ALSO THE ONE THAT IS JUST EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACK.

THEY PROVIDE US THAT AND WE INCLUDED THAT BUT THEY RELATIVELY SMALL IMPACT TO SAN SEBASTIAN AND U.S. ONE.

THEY DO PROVIDE US THAT AND WE DO NOT INCLUDE AS PART OF OUR

CONCURRENCY MEASUREMENT. >> THAT LEADS TO A BROADER DISCUSSION WHAT IS GERMANE TODAY.

I WILL COME BACK TO THAT IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

I UNDERSTAND THE CITY USES A DIFFERENT MEASURE.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO FIRM UP THAT DATA.

THAT'S IMPORTANT IN OUR >> CERTAIN.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. >> IF THAT COMPLETES.

>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. >> I'M SORRY, WHEN THEY SAY THE ROUNDABOUT WILL BE BUILT AS SOON AS THE AS BUILT FOR THE FIRST PHASE OR SUBDIVISION, OR WHAT IS THE TIMING OF THAT?

>> WELL, THE TIMING OF COURSE WILL BE DICTATED BY THE APPLICANT WHEN THEY DECIDE TO MAKE APPLICATIONS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS. LINDSEY IS BRINGING UP, IS THAT

THE TEXT? >> YES.

THIS IS OUR SUMMARY SHEET. IF WE CAN GO TO THE OVER HEAD FOR THE RED LINE TO POP IN. SO THIS OUTLINES THE OFF SET IMPROVEMENTS. CONSISTING THE AUXILIARY LANE ON OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND HERE COMMISSIONER WALDRON IS THE TIMING THE DEVELOPER AGREES TO CONSTRUCT THE ROUNDABOUT PRIOR TO THE ACCEPTANCE OF AS BUILT FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF

DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE PROJECT. >> HOW MANY HOUSES WOULD THAT

BE? >> THAT WOULDN'T BE.

WE'RE BEFORE THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION.

SO WE CAN HAVE MODEL HOMES BUT WE'RE NOT HAVING OCCUPIED HOMES.

>> TO BE CLEAR TOO, LINDSEY, IF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOMES,

THEY WOULDN'T HAVE CO. >> CORRECT.

>> CONSTRUCTION OF HOMES COULD BE ON GOING THEY JUST WOULD NOT RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> SO THIS COMMISSIONERS REPRESENTS THE SUMMARY OF THE RED LINE THAT YOU HAVE AND SO COMMISSIONER ARNOLD'S POINT TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD TO ADD BUS STOPS AND THAT SUMMARIZES EVERYTHING WE DISCUSSED TODAY.

THANK Y'ALL, AS A PRELIMINARY COMMENT BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION, I WANT TO SAY SEVERAL THINGS. I WANT TO SAY FIRST OF ALL THAT I ASKED BEFORE WE STARTED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR A DISCUSSION BY THE APPLICANT AND WHAT I ADDED IN TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PROPOSED APPLICATION PENDING TODAY FOR OUR WAS VERSUS WHAT HAS BEEN CALLED PLAN B. WHICH WE DISCUSSED.

OR 157 HOMES. NO ROUNDABOUT.

AND I WANT TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR IN CASE ANYONE IS IN DOUBT, I DON'T MAKE THREATS. I UTTER PROPHECIES.

IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM WAS THAT ANY KIND OF THREAT FROM ME.

I KNOW THE GENTLEMEN THAT PROPOSED THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WANT TO DO IT AND MADE SEVEN OR EIGHT MAJOR CHANGES AND THEY DON'T MAKE THREATS. ALL THEY WANTED TO DO AND ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS FOR THE CITIZENS, THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE NEXT TO THIS PROJECT TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

AND SO, I THINK YOU MADE THAT DECISION AND I LISTENED CLOSELY TO EVERY ONE OF YOU. MY MAIN PRIMARY CONCERN AS A COMMISSIONER HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND I THINK I CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE I MADE MY FIRST VISIT TO MEET WITH YOU THREE YEARS AGO.

MY CONCERN IS SAFETY AND QUIET ENJOYMENT OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU HAVE ENJOYED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

SO BASED ON WHERE WE ARE TODAY. I LISTENED TO EVERYONE AND LOOKED AT TWO PROPOSALS AND IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION AND I AM GOING TO DO IT BY WAY OF A MOTION TO DENY THIS PROJECT.

I'M GOING TO MOVE TO DENY PUD 2020-4-PORTER PROPERTY PUD BASED ON 10 FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 4-1. >> OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO

[15. St. Johns County Workforce Development Presentation. One of the eligible uses for the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funding is for workforce training. Eligible capital expenditures in ARPA include facilities such as job training centers or similar institutions that provide critical upskilling or reskilling. Impacted and disproportionately impacted households as well as unemployed and underemployed workers experienced negative economic impacts of the pandemic. First Coast Technical College (FCTC) under the St. Johns County School district offers this type of workforce training and other adult basic education. In consultation with County staff, the administration of SJCSD is proposing a new Southwest Campus of FCTC to meet the unmet workforce training needs in the southwest area of the County. The project could be a partnership between SJC and the SJCSD via utilization of ARPA funds to help with construction costs of the new campus.]

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RECONVENE OUR COUNTY MEETING OF APRIL 19TH.

WE HAVE A TIME CERTAIN AT 1:30. I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME AND INTRODUCE. TIM ARE YOU STARTING OFF OR IS

SOMEONE GOING TO INTRODUCE YOU? >> I'M HAPPY TO DO IT MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU SUPERINTENDENT FORSYTH FOR COMING AND TALKING TO US ABOUT THE PROPOSAL.

>> THANK YOU AND IT'S CERTAINLY AN HONOR TO BE HERE.

TO DISCUSS THIS AND THOUGHTS AND IDEAS OF COLLABORATING ON SOMETHING WE THOUGHT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE. IT ALLOWS US TO SEE THE GROWTH OF ADULT EDUCATION IN THE COMMUNITY AND AREAS THAT MAY BE UNDER SERVED AT THIS POINT. THE IT'S BEEN A COLLABORATION DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY STAFF.

JUST TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SUCCESS AND SO, I'M GOING TO JUST, I'M GOING TO BE FAIRLY BRIEF ABOUT IT BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS CONCEPTUALLY, IT IS FAIRLY FLUID IN THE FACT THAT ADULT AND CAREER EDUCATION IS SOMETHING YOU THEY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE TYPES OF JOBS YOU PUT IN PLACE AND THE FIT FOR THAT AREA OF A COUNTY OR OF A COMMUNITY.

HASTINGS AND SOUTHWEST PORTION OF COUNTY IS UNDER SERVED IN MANY WAYS. FROM A SCHOOL DISTRICT PERSPECTIVE, WE BUS A NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN AND OUT OF THE SOUTHWEST REGION TO SOUTH WOODS ELEMENTARY, GAMBLE RODGERS AND PEDRO JIMENEZ. THE FIRST TECHNICAL COLLEGE IS A CAMPUS AND PROGRAM, MULTITUDE OF PROGRAMS THAT SERVE OUR ADULTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. FOR THOSE ADULTS WHO UP TO UPSKILL TO SEEK EMPLOYMENT IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

MANY ARE PARENTS OF OUR OWN STUDENTS IN THE K-12 ENVIRONMENT OR PRE-K-12 ENVIRONMENT AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US AS A COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW OUR ADULTS YOUNG ADULTS MANY TIMES TO BE EMPLOYABLE AND GET JOBS THAT HELP THEM BE SUCCESSFUL. ONE OF IMPORTANT ELEMENTS IN DISCUSSION HAS BEEN THE USES OF ARPA FUNDS FOR WORK FORCE DEVELOPMENT AND JOB TRAINING. THERE'S PRESCRIPTIONS OF THAT THAT ALLOW US TO REALLY FURTHER THAT DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO I DON'T WANT TO BE PRESUMPTUOUS IN ALL AT ANY WAY. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GROW AND DEVELOP FTCT AND AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GROW FCTC WE LOOK FOR EVERY AVENUE. THE MISSION IS TO PROVIDE CAREER, TECHNICAL AND ADULT EDUCATION TO MEET THE CHANGING NEEDS OF ADULTS AND STUDENTS IN THE WORK FORCE.

WHETHER ON CAMPUS OR ANOTHER CAMPUS THAT HAD IT HAS TO BE FLEXIBLE SPACES BECAUSE THE DEMANDS CAN CHANGE RAPIDLY, THE PROGRAMS CAN CHANGE RAPIDLY. I WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT HOW THAT MIGHT LOOK AND FUNCTION AND HOW WE CAN HAVE A PARTNERSHIP I THINK FOR GREAT SUCCESS FOR SOUTHWEST ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND REALLY BEYOND. AND SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? IF WE GO OUT. THIS IS 2022 AND LOOK FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, WHAT MIGHT THE DEMAND BE? AND WE PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO REGIONAL DATA OF WHAT THOSE JOBS ARE. WHAT THOSE JOBS WILL BE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. WHAT THE PAY IS AND THE DEMAND FOR THE JOBS. YOU SEE A LOT OF CHANGE IN THE UNDERSTANDING OF ALTERNATIVE FUELS.

IF YOU DRIVE OUT TO US TODAY, YOU SEE THERE'S A SOLAR PANEL FIELD TO THE LEFT SIDE AS A APPROACH ELKTON AND THAT'S SOMETHING EXPANSIVE IN THE SOUTHEAST.

IF YOU DRIVE I-10, YOU ALL NOTE WHEN YOU APPROACH I-75 INTERSECTION, THERE ARE MASSIVE SOLAR FIELDS TO PROVIDE ENERGY.

SO WE KNOW THAT'S ONE PLACE AND ONE OPPORTUNITY POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE. WE KNOW OUR HOMES HAVE CHANGED.

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THERE ARE SMART HOMES. TECHNOLOGY CHANGES EACH AND EVERY DAY. IN THIS AREA, WE KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES.

WHEN WE THINK OF PROGRAMMING MOVING FORWARD IN THIS AREA, WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THAT. THE IDEA IS TO WHERE DO WE BEGIN? WE BEGIN WITH A CORE OR PRIMARY DEVELOPMENT OF A CAMPUS IS WHAT WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU TO POSSIBLY MOVE FORWARD. IN DOING THAT, THINKING ABOUT PROVIDING SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY OF HASTINGS.

MAKING SURE THAT IN THE HASTINGS COMMUNITY, IN THE CONNECTING COMMUNITIES, THAT ARE LARGELY AGRICULTURAL AND RULE COMMUNITIES, THAT WE PROVIDE THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITY, THE RIGHT PROGRAMS TO HELP THEM BE SUCCESSFUL.

SO SOME OF THAT, THAT WOULD BE NEEDING TO BE IN PLACE FROM A VERY EARLY STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE CAREER COUNSELING AND SCHOLARSHIPS, SO WHEN AN ADULT COMES IN, A LOT OF TIMES OUR STUDENTS WHO IN, IN THE ADULT WORLD DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTION TO HEAD IN. WE HAVE CAREER NAVIGATORS THOSE THAT HELP THEM HERE MIGHT BE FINANCIAL AID YOU CAN GET.

MANY ARE VETERANS. AND THEY COME IN AND HAVE ELIGIBILITY AS VETERANS AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEREVER WE HAVE A CAMPUS, WE HAVE THOSE PROFESSIONAL INDIVIDUALS IN THE WORLD OF EDUCATION THAT CAN HELP THOSE STUDENTS.

HASTINGS IS A COMMUNITY THAT IS REBUILDING AND HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PROGRAMS. SOME MIGHT BE VERY SPECIFIC TO THE COMMUNITY IN ITSELF. THE IDEA OF HAVING SPACE THAT CAN BE RENTED OR CAN BE AVAILABLE MAYBE SOMETIMES WITH THE COUNTY HAVING PROGRAMS THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE THERE AS WELL THAT WE CAN PARTNER AND MAKE SOME OF THOSE THING OCCUR.

WHAT SEEMS TO BE IN HIGH DEMAND AND ALSO ALIGNS WITH THE FEDERAL GRANT DOLLARS IS, UTILIZING AN EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. WE HAVE SUCH A PROGRAM AT FCTC TODAY. IT IS A PROGRAM THAT HAS BOTH CHILDREN IN IT THAT ARE RECEIVING SERVICES AND ADULTS BEING TRAINED SO THAT THEY CAN THEN STEP OUT AND WORK IN THAT FIELD WHEN THEY COMPLETE THE CERTIFICATION.

THEY COMPLETE THE PROGRAM. WHY THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT HERE AND I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN STAYS OF ESTABLISHING AN OPPORTUNITY IF IT OCCURS, IS THAT SOME OF THESE FAMILIES WILL NEED BOTH. YOU KNOW THERE ARE SOME PARENTS WHO WILL WANT THAT TRAINING AND AT THE SAME TIME THEY WILL NEED CHILD CARE. AND IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, IN SOME OF THAT ENVIRONMENT, THEIR TRAINING MIGHT BE IN ANOTHER PROGRAM BUT THE FACT THAT THEY CAN HAVE THEIR CHILDREN THERE AS WELL SERVES AS A HUGE BENEFIT THAT DOES OCCUR AT FCTC TODAY.

TECH TOTS IS OUR EARLY CHILDHOOD PROGRAM THAT EXISTS IT IS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN AND OUT OF THERE.

ANOTHER PROGRAM LOOKING AT PHASE ONE.

WHAT IS AT THE CORE? ANOTHER PIECE IS ADULT EDUCATION AND WHAT I SAY THAT IT MIGHT BE GED, HIGH SCHOOL COMPLETION.

SO YOU HAVE ADULT STUDENTS WHO WANT TO GET THAT DIPLOMA AND WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA BECAUSE THAT OPENS DOORS. FCTC IS ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL AND TRAINING SITES FOR ADULTS GOING BACK IN.

WE HAD MORE THAN 200 IN THE PAST YEAR THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT THE MAIN CAMPUS. I BELIEVE IT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SUCCESS HERE AS WELL.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A HIGH DEMAND PROGRAM AND THE NEXT IS MORE SPECIFIC TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE COUNTY.

SO CRITICAL LIFE SUPPORT AND HEALTHCARE.

THIS IS A FIELD WHERE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS ALREADY AT THE MAIN CAMPUS. LPN.

MEDICAL ASSISTANT TRAINING. DENTAL ASSISTANT TRAINING AND A NUMBER OF RELATED AREAS. IT WOULD BE PROBABLY AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM HEALTHCARE AND CRITICAL LIFE SUPPORT CARE IN THAT FACILITY. SO THAT WE CAN REACH OUT AND GROW THAT PROGRAM AND REALLY BE MORE RESPONSIVE TO SOME OF THE DEMAND AND I WILL SAY THIS, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT, WE DON'T MARKET OUTSIDE OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY, A NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN THESE PROGRAMS WHERE THE DEMAND IS HIGH DO COME FROM OUT OF THE COUNTY. IT IS A PLACE WHERE YOU MAY HAVE FLAGLER OR PUTNAM COUNTY ADULT STUDENTS WHO ALSO ATTEND.

WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN'T PUT A CAMPUS IN THE

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COUNTIES BUT SERVE REGIONALLY NORTHWEST FLORIDA IF THAT THE DEMAND IS HIGH. ANOTHER AREA AND IT'S SUCH A RAPIDLY EVOLVING CHANGE AREA IS AGRICULTURAL CAREERS.

WE KNOW IN AGRICULTURAL CAREERS. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE MECHANICAL FIELDS OF CERTIFICATION.

WHETHER THAT'S LARGE DIESEL MECHANICS OR OTHER TYPES OF MECHANICAL FIELDS THAT MAY TAKE PLACE.

WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S A DEMAND FOR DRONES AND THAT'S A VERY GROWING EMERGING TYPE OF PROFESSION FOR FOLKS AS WELL.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS THERE AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS IF WE BUILD A CORE FACILITY IT ALLOWS US TO KIND OF CHANGE WHAT THAT MAY BE, WHAT THAT PROGRAM MAY BE BASED ON WHAT THE DEMAND IS AT THE TIME. NOW I SAY THAT TO SAY SOME OF THE FACILITY WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO BE A LARGER SPACE KIND OF FACILITY THAT ENABLES MACHINERY COMING IN AND OUT, ENABLES HEAVY MACHINERY THAT MAY HAVE TO BE ACCESSIBLE OR UTILIZED IN THAT FACILITY. AND THE THIRD PART OF IT, IF WE JUST LOOK AT IT AS A PHASE ONE GETTING THE DOORS OPEN AND REALLY CREATING ENERGY AND SUCCESS IN THE PROGRAM WOULD BE MULTI-USE TRAINING LABS FOR IN DEMAND PROGRAMS. JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES THAT WE HAVE TODAY IS MANY TIMES LARGE FIRMS WE CAN TAKE NORTHRUP, THERE ARE TIME WHEN IS THEY COME TO FCTC AND SAY WE NEED THESE PEOPLE TRAINED ON THIS PARTICULAR SKILL SET AND THEY WILL GET SIX WEEKS OR EIGHT WEEKS OF TRAINING. THAT MAY BE ALSO TRUE FOR OTHER FIELDS OR OTHER DEMANDS THAT COME IN TO OUR AREA.

SO WHAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS HAVE A MULTI-USE TRAINING LAB TO BE RESPONSIVE TO DEMAND PROGRAMS. YET, THIS IS, IF I SOUND EXCITED, I AM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND I AM HOPEFUL WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND PURSUE BUT I ALSO KNOW IT'S A BIGGER TASK.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH IT. THE SUPPORT AND THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD BE IN THIS KIND OF ARENA, HELPING US ON THE CAPITAL SIDE GETTING IT OFF THE GROUND, GETTING IT DESIGNED AND IN PLACE.

THE OPERATION IS ON THE BURDEN OF THE SCHOOL BOARD AS IT SHOULD BE. THE COST OF THE OPERATION AND ALL THOSE SIDES ARE A PART OF WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD DOES, WHAT FCTC DOES AND THE EXPERTISE THEY HAVE, AND SO OVER TIME THERE WOULD BE MULTIPLE PHASES I BEING OF THE PROGRAMS THAT EXIST THERE. PROBABLY ON OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN AS A SCHOOL SYSTEM.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT SO WE HAVE TO BE ATTENTIVE TO JUST TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE PHASE TWO OPPORTUNITIES. IN DEMAND EMERGING OPPORTUNITIES. WE SEE THAT IN OUR HIGH SCHOOL ACADEMIES. IT'S ALREADY QUITE A CHANGE IN WHAT THOSE TECHNOLOGIES ARE THAT NEED TO BE TAUGHT AND HOW THEY NEED TO BE TAUGHT. THE INNOVATIVE AND VIRTUAL, CUTTING EDGE PROGRAMS SOME OF THE THINGS WE NEED TOO BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR IF YOU'RE IN SUPPORT AND IT MOVES FORWARD, WE REALLY NEED FEEDBACK AND KIND OF FOCUS GROUP DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMUNITY AND FROM THE AREAS, SURVEYS THAT GO OUT.

WE DO, DO SURVEYS QUITE A BIT. WE SURVEY THE COMMUNITY ON CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION. WHAT DO YOU NEED? WHAT DO WE NOT HAVE? WHAT MIGHT BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF OUR FAMILIES AND ADULTS? WE DO THAT ■ONA FAIRLYREGULAR BASIS AND IN THIS CASE, MAY NEED TO FOLLOW THAT WITH MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS FOR MOMS, DADS, AUNTS AND UNCLES TO SEE HOW THAT MIGHT HELP ME AND SERVE MY COMMUNITY.

SOME OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE KNOW ARE IN DEMAND ARE MANUFACTURING, INDUSTRIAL PROBABLY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL KINDS OF PROGRAMS. PUBLIC SAFETY PROGRAMS. COSMETOLOGY TRAINING AND SALON TRAINING.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU ARE. THERE'S ALWAYS A DEMAND.

ALWAYS A DEMAND FOR IT. OUR COMMUNITIES DEPEND ON IT.

IT'S EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR MANY PEOPLE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT FOLKS ALWAYS RESPOND TO.

THE LAST PART IS CONTINUING THE WORK FORCE PARTNER TRAINING.

WHERE WE HAVE PARTNERSHIPS NOW. WE HAVE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE

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NAVY IN THE PAST IN OUR CULINARY DEPARTMENT AT FCTC.

WE HAVE WITH NORTHRUP GUNMAN. WE WANT TO CONTINUE THE WORK FORCE TRAINING SO IN THOSE CASES THERE'S 100% EMPLOYMENT.

MANY TIMES THE STUDENTS ARE GIVEN TO US.

HERE ARE THE STUDENTS IT TRAIN AND HERE'S HOW YOU CAN SERVE US BETTER AS A FIRM WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY AND HOW WE GO FORWARD.

SO THAT'S A LOT. I JUST KIND OF RACED THROUGH IT.

I WANTED YOU TO HAVE THE IDEA WHEN WE BUILD AND GROW THIS PROGRAM IF IN FACT WE ARE ABLE TO DO SO, THAT WHAT WOULD BE ON THE FRONT END? WHAT DO YOU SEE RESULTS FROM IMMEDIATELY? I DO THINK THE CHILD CARE PIECE, THE ADULT COMMUNITY, THE HIGH SCHOOL COMPLETION GED PROGRAM, THOSE ARE IMPORTANT. THOSE ARE STEPPING STONES FOR ADULTS AND NEED TO HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY.

AND THEN US BEING RESPONSIVE TO WORK FORCE DEVELOPMENT NEEDS AND SO THAT MAKING SURE THAT ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT SUCCESS IN THIS AREA IS NOT TO PREDETERMINE BUT TO BE RESPONSIVE.

IF YOU KNEW AS A BODY AS OUR GOVERNING AGENCY OF FIRMS AND DEVELOPMENTS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS COMING TO THIS COUNTY THAT WE NEEDED TO BE RESPONSIVE TO, THAT'S A PARTNERSHIP THAT'S REALLY VALUABLE TO US AND VALUABLE TO THE ECONOMIC SUCCESS OF THOSE KINDS OF PROGRAMS. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND NICOLE CUB ACKNOWLEDGES -- CUBBAGE IS GOING TO EXPLAIN. WE ARE LOOKING AT AN EXISTING SITE THE COUNTY HAS GREAT UTILIZATION OF BEFORE THEN AND SO LEGALITY HER TALK THROUGH THAT BUT AT ANY TIME, STOP ME OR STOP HER AND WE WILL BE GLAD TO RESPOND.

>> SO MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY LESSON.

SO THIS IS THE SITE OF THE OLD HASTINGS HIGH SCHOOL.

AND THE BUILDING THAT WAS FORMALLY USED AS THE TOWN OF HASTINGS BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE THERE ON FRONT OF THE SITE AND THERE ARE REALLY TWO SETS OF PURPLE LINES ON THIS SITE.

SO ONCE UPON A TIME WHEN IT WAS THE OLD HASTINGS HIGH SCHOOL, THIS ENTIRE PARCEL WAS ONE SITE. SO THE OLD HASTINGS HIGH SCHOOL CAME INTO A STATE OF DISREPAIR. AT THIS TIME, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THIS IS LONG BEFORE MY TIME.

THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DETERMINED THERE WAS NO OPTION BUT TO TEAR DOWN THE OLD HASTINGS HIGH SCHOOL AND HAD A CONTRACTOR READY TO DO THAT. THE COMMUNITY OF HASTINGS REALLY MOBILIZED AND SAID PLEASE DON'T TEAR THIS BUILDING DOWN.

PLEASE LET US WORK TO RENOVATE IT.

LET US USE IT FOR THE TOWN OF HASTING AND LET US WORK TOGETHER TO RENOVATE AND REVITALIZE THIS BUILDING.

THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT STOPPED THE CONTRACT ON TEARING DOWN THE BUILDING.

AND THE COMMUNITY REALLY RALLIED AROUND THIS BUILDING AND RENOVATED IT AND RESTORED IT AND IT WAS USED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS BY THE TOWN OF HASTINGS. THE REASON YOU SEE THE TWO PURPLE BOXES. THIS PORTION ABOUT 3.5 ACRES IS THE PIECE TRANSFERRED FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO THE TOWN OF HASTINGS. SO YOU MAY SAY, WHY DID YOU GIVE THEM ALL THIS? THE REASON AT THE TIME THERE WAS A THINKING THAT THERE MAY BE A POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT NEEDED TO COME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY OF HASTINGS AND PUT A SCHOOL ON THIS SITE.

AND THIS SITE IS ABOUT 13 ACRES. IT WOULD HOLD AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THAT WAS THE THINKING.

THERE MAYBE A POINT IN THE FUTURE WHERE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAD A NEED AND THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL NEED FOR THE PROPERTY. REALLY THAT IS NOW TURNING OUT TO BE VERY ACCURATE THAT THINKING THAT WAS DONE.

SO THIS SCHOOL SITE WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE TOWN OF HASTINGS. THERE WAS A REVERTER CLAUSE PLACED IN THE DEED SAYING IF THERE WAS EVER A STOP IN THE PUBLIC USE IT WOULD COME BACK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE DISSOLUTION OF THE TOWN OF HASTINGS. AND SO THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THIS SITE AND A DISCUSSION OF THIS OLD HASTINGS HIGH SCHOOL.

THIS IS A PICTURE. GRANTED IT'S AN OLD PICTURE OF THE OLD HASTINGS HIGH SCHOOL AND THE TOWN OF HASTINGS BUILDING.

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THE COUNTY REALLY STARTED LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING YOURSELF BACK IN 2018, YOU COMMISSIONED TWO REPORTS TO BE DONE ON THIS BUILDING AND THE FIRST ONE WAS LIKE AN OBSERVATION REPORT SO IT'S KIND OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE. AND THE SECOND WAS A MOLD ASSESSMENT AND REMEDIATION PLAN. SO, YOU HIRED A COMPANY TO GO IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BUILDING AND DETERMINE IN WHAT STATE IT WAS IN. WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THE SITE AND WHAT THE OPTIONS WOULD BE.

NOW AT THE TIME THE FIRM THAT WORKED WITH YOU ON THAT DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU MIGHT USE IT FOR.

THEY JUST KIND OF LOOKED AT IT TO SEE WHAT IT COULD BE USED FOR AND WHAT THE STATE OF THE BUILDING WAS.

THEN IN 2020, THEY WENT IN AGAIN AND DID A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE. YOU CAN SEE THAT INFORMATION WE HAVE IS CERTAINLY AT LEAST TWO TO FOUR YEARS OLD AND THE ESTIMATES THAT WERE PROVIDED AS PART OF THIS REPORTS REALLY ARE OLD AND THE BUILDING HAS CONTINUED TO DETERIORATE AS IT HAS NOT BEEN USED FOR A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN THE LIBRARY SINCE THAT TIME. PERSONALLY, I HAVE NOT BEEN IN THIS BUILDING SINCE 2008 AND REMEMBER THAT DISTINCTLY BECAUSE WE HAD A WHOLE SERIES OF HEARINGS IN THERE.

WE KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONTINUED DETERIORATION OF THE BUILDING. AS WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS PROCESS, WE STARTED ASKING THE QUESTION THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE ON THE FOREFRONT OF ALL OF YOUR MINDS.

WHAT DO YOU DO? DO YOU GO IN AND RENOVATE THE BUILDING AND TURN IT BACK INTO AN EDUCATIONAL FACILITY AND TURN IT INTO THE HOME FOR THIS WORK FORCE EDUCATION? OR DO YOU START FRESH AND BUILD A BUILDING THAT IS TRULY INTENDED FOR THE WORK FORCE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS WE DON'T KNOW YET. SO WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS PROPOSING TO DO IS EVALUATE BOTH AVENUES.

WE THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO DO THAT.

SO FIRST WE WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK INTO THE BUILDING AND DO INTENSE INVESTIGATION. I HAVE FACTS TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE BUILDING. THEN WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A PROGRAM THAT MR. FORSON OUTLINED FOR YOU AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THEM FIT WITHIN THE CONFINES THE BUILDING AND IF THAT WOULD WORK AND A RESPONSIVE USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE SAME PROGRAM AND CREATE WHAT IF WE WERE STARTING FROM SCRATCH? WHAT IF WE WERE STARTING FROM FRESH AND BUILDING NEW? WHAT WOULD THAT BUILDING LOOK LIKE AND COST? THEN WE BELIEVE THAT WE REALLY NEED THAT DEEP ANALYTICAL DIVE IN LOOKING AT BOTH OPTIONS AND DETERMINE WHAT REALLY IS THE RIGHT ANSWER FOR THIS FACILITY AS WELL AS FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

LET ME TELL YOU JUST A LITTLE ABOUT THE BUILDING.

IT'S ON THE HISTORIC REGISTER AS A PLACE OF INTEREST.

HOWEVER IT DOES HAVE SOME PRETTY CONSIDERABLE CONCERNS AND ISSUES. THE MOLD AND REMEDIATION REPORT DID SHOW SIGNIFICANT MOLD IN THE BUILDING.

IT DID NOT INCLUDE AN ASBESTOS STUDY.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO DO GIVEN THE AGE OF THE FACILITY. WE KNOW THERE ARE SOME PARTS OF FACILITY THAT WERE RENOVATED AND KNOW THERE'S NO ASBESTOS.

WE DO NOT KNOW FOR CERTAINTY FOR THE WHOLE BUILDING.

THE MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL IS UP TO CODE.

HOWEVER WE KNOW IT'S NOT A SPRINKLED BUILDING.

FIRE PROTECTION WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.

THERE ARE EXITING AND ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED. FOR SOME REASON THE ELEVATOR IS NO LONGER IN USE AND HAS BEEN WALLED OFF WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REMEDIED IN BRINGING THE BUILDING UP TO CODE. WE KNOW THE WINDOWS WOULD HAVE TO BE REPLACED AND THE ROOF WILL HAVE TO BE REPLACED.

WE KNOW THAT STRUCTURALLY THERE IS EXTERIOR CRACKING, ALTHOUGH WE DO NOT KNOW THE FULL EXTENT UNTIL WE INVESTIGATE IT.

FINALLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY. WE KNOW THERE IS SOME STORMWATER PONDING ISSUES ON THE SITE AND THERE'S ACTUALLY WATER STANDING IN ONE PORTION OF THE BUILDING AND ACTUALLY STANDING UNDER THE BUILDING AND CAN BE SEEN FROM INSIDE THE AUDITORIUM IN THE VICINITY OF THE STAGE. WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT CANNOT BE RENOVATED. WE'RE JUST NOT SURE OF THE ANSWER YET. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE AS WE BRING THIS WHOLE PROCESS FORWARD, WE UPFRONT, TRANSPARENT ABOUT HOW WE WILL LOOK AT THIS BUILDING AND SITE AND HOW WE WILL BRING FORWARD INFORMATION TO THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT HOW WE WILL MOVE FORWARD. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A HISTORIC BUILDING THAT MEANS A LOT TO THE COMMUNITY, AND WE DO NOT WANT TO TAKE THAT LIGHTLY. WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE THE RIGHT

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INVESTMENT WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

>> SO, FINALLY JUST SHARING A LITTLE BIT, WE EARLIER THIS MONTH HAD A WORKSHOP FOR THIS BOARD.

WE RECEIVED CONSENSUS FROM THEM TO SHARE THIS VISION WITH YOU AND OF COURSE, IT IS DEPENDENT ON A CAPITAL DECISION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE TO PARTNER WITH US.

SO, THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS TODAY.

BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT SOMETIMES TO STEP OUT TO MAKE GOOD DISCUSSIONS THAT HELP A COMMUNITY AND REALLY BELIEVE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. LET ME JUST PAUSE AND JUST REFER TO MS. ANDREWS OR ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

BE GLAD TO ANSWER WHAT WE CAN. >>CHAIR DEAN: ANY QUESTIONS FOR

KEN? >> COACH, ARE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS GOING TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND LIKE THEY DO?

MAYBE FROM PEDRO? >> IT IS.

IT'S ONE OF PROGRAMMING ELEMENTS WE TALKED ABOUT.

THERE'S ADULT ED. BUT THERE'S ALSO DUAL ENROLLMENT ENVIRONMENT LIKE THERE WOULD BE AT THE STATE COLLEGE.

THERE'S DUAL ENROLLMENT AT FCTC. THE IDEA IS TO BE ABLE TO DO

THAT WITH PEDRO MENENDEGZ. >> WE DISCUSSED THIS WORK ENVIRONMENT AND THEY WILL BE WILLING TO HELP OUT.

THEY NEED PIPE FITTERS AND ELECTRICIANS AND TRADE SCHOOLS.

IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO BE OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY WHERE THEY ARE NEEDED EVERYWHERE AND YOU SEE IT RIGHT NOW AND SHOWS, YOU GOT A CDL, YOU CAN GET A GREAT JOB.

THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB GETTING KIDS INTO COLLEGE. YOU AND I DISCUSSED WE LACK IN GETTING THAT KID WHERE THEY CAN GET A GOOD JOB WITHOUT GOING TO COLLEGE. YOU KNOW I KNOW ALL THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. I'M DEFINITELY FOR IT.

I JUST HOPE WE WOULD HAVE, I'M ON THE CAREER SOURCE BOARD TOO.

AND THEY ALWAYS LIKE TO HELP OUT ON THINGS LIKE THIS.

I ACTUALLY TALKED TO ONE OF THE, I MENTIONED IT TO A GROUP THAT HAS ONE OF YOUR ACADEMIES AT PEDRO AND WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO COME OUT. IT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANK YOU. I AM ALWAYS WANTING TO HELP.

THE ONE THIS GRUMAN WAS SUCCESSFUL.

AND A GUARANTEED JOB WHEN THEY GET THROUGH.

>> MS. ARNOLD. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD: THANK YOU MR. FORSON. ONE THING I WANTED TO ASK, IN PHASE ONE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE AGCAREERS.

I MET WITH A BUNCH OF STAKEHOLDERS AND WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE AN FFA CHAPTER BROUGHT BACK.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD EXPLORE?

>> THAT WAS PART OF ONE DISCUSSION BRINGING A CHAPTER OF FFA BACK EVEN IF THAT'S INTEGRATED THROUGH PEDRO HIGH

SCHOOL OR FCTC TO GROW THAT AREA >> WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU. >>CHAIR DEAN: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, I HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT TALKS. THE LORD WORKS IN MYSTERIOU THI WORKING TOGETHER THAT COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER.

JUST MY THOUGHT. ANYTHING ELSE?

ACTION ON THIS ITEM? >> YES, SARAH, LEGISLATIVE MANAGER. SO, YOU HAVE HEARD THE PRESENTATION. AND I THINK, HERE WE GO.

AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW GET YOUR DIRECTION IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD WITH A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SCHOOL. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THAT, WE HAVE A MOTION, A POTENTIAL MOTION THAT WE COULD LOOK AT TODAY. WE WOULD SUGGEST A MOTION TO ALLOCATE $7.665 MILLION OF ARPA FUNDS TO INTO INTO A PARTNERSHIP

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BETWEEN ST. JOHNS BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. I AM HERE WITH ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON BEHALF OF STAFF RELATED TO ARPA.

NEGATIVE ECONOMIC IMPACTS WHICH THIS WOULD DIRECTLY ADDRESS.

>> OKAY. BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

ANY OTHER COMMISSION COMMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ON PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PROPOSED MOTION. I'M SURE IT'S AN AGENDA NUMBER.

IT WAS SCHEDULED TO BE AT 1:30. NEVERTHELESS ON THIS ONE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS MY NAME IS DR. MICHELE PAVLOV SKI. I LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, FLORIDA. I THINK THIS WAS A WORTHY PROJECT TO CONSIDER, HOWEVER I THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF UNTIL WE CONSIDER THE OTHER MOTIONS OR THE OTHER CONCEPTS FOR FUNDING UNDER ARPA.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAD A REQUIREMENT FOR A MEDICAL DISPENSARY OR MEDICAL SERVICE OR A I FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED IN WEST SAINT AUGUSTINE. YOU HAD OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE YOU. I THINK YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT PRIORITIZING PUBLIC SAFETY FIRST.

ALLOCATING THAT AS THE CORE FUNDAMENTAL PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO BE SUPPORTED. NOW, ONE THING I HAVE NOT HEARD MENTIONED HERE IS THE FACT THAT HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE? THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE CERTAINLY KNOWS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LABOR FORCE IN OUR COMMUNITY. YES AND I SUPPORT FUTURE FARMERS OF AMERICA. I TAUGHT ONE IN A FARMING COMMUNITY AND IT IS THE BACKBONE OF OUR COUNTRY.

WE COULD NOT HAVE OUR FOOD SUPPLY, EVERYTHING THAT WE RELY UPON TO BE SELF SUFFICIENT AS A COUNTRY WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF FFA. HASTINGS HAS BEEN A GREAT, GREAT COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT OUR COUNTY. HOWEVER, BEFORE WE GET ENTANGLED WITH A MOTION TO FUND, I THINK WE NEED TO REASSESS WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE ACROSS THE BOARD.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LONG-TERM IMPACT IS GOING TO BE IN TERMS OF DRAWING DOWN FINANCIAL SUPPORT.

YOU HAVE A SALES TAX THAT WAS PASSED TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING TO? SO I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH UNTANGLED, UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN A FORMAL PRESENTATION BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY DISCUSSION ON TAKING ACTION FOR THIS MOTION.

OKAY. I BELIEVE IN PROGRESS.

I BELIEVE IN EDUCATION. BUT IT IS TOO EARLY TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS MOTION AND IT'S TOO EARLY TO TAKE ANY STEPS TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THOROUGH EXAMINATION.

>> BEFORE WE START PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND THE FOLKS ARE HERE TO CONCERN THIS.

YOU ASK WHERE THE HALF CENT TAX WENT? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WENT TO BUILD AT LEAST THREE, FOUR, OR FIVE ADDITIONAL SCHOOLS SINCE THE SCHOOL WAS IMPOSED WE WOULD BE IN A WORLD OF HURT AS FAR AS CLASSROOMS UNAVAILABLE WERE IT NOT FOR HALF CENT. HAVE I MISSPOKEN, TIM?

>> ANYWAY. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THERE WE GO.

JOHNNY COUNTS. 9470 CRACKER SWAMP.

I BELIEVE IN THE FUTURE OF AGRICULTURE WITH THE FAITH BORN NOT OF WORDS BUT DEEDS ACHIEVEMENTS WON BY THE PAST IN THE PROMISE OF BETTER DAYS THROUGH BETTER WAYS EVEN AS THE BETTER THINGS WE NOW ENJOY HAVE COME TO US THROUGH THE STRUGGLE OF FORMER YEARS. TO LIVE AND WORK ON A FARM IS TO BE ENGAGED IN OTHER AGRICULTURAL SUITS THAT IS CHALLENGING.

I KNOW THE JOY AGRICULTURAL LIFE AND THOSE ASSOCIATIONS EVEN IN OUR HOURS OF DISENCOURAGEMENT I CANNOT DENY.

I BELIEVE IN LEADERSHIP FROM OURSELVES AND RESPECT FROM OTHERS. I BELIEVE IN MY ONLY ABILITY TO THINK EFFICIENTLY WITH SUCH KNOWLEDGE AND SKILL AS I CAN SECURE AND SERVE OUR OWN AND THE PUBLIC INTERESTS IN PRODUCING

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AND MARKETING THE PRODUCT OF OUR TOIL.

I BELIEVE IN LESS DEPENDENCE ON THE BEGGING AND MORE POWER TO THE EMPOWERING AND ENOUGH HONEST WEALTH TO HELP MAKE IT SO FOR OTHERS AS WELL AS MYSELF AND LESS NEED FOR CHARITY AND MORE OF IT WHEN NEEDED. BE HAPPY MYSELF AND PLAYING SQUARE WITH WHOSE HAPPINESS DEPENDS ON ME.

AMERICAN AGRICULTURE WILL HOLD TRY IN OUR LIVES AND EXERT INFLUENCE IN MY HOME AND COMMUNITY WHICH WILL STAND STRONG FOR MY PART IN THE EXPIRING TASK.

THAT'S THE FFA CREED. AND I AM REALLY, I AM SURPRISED TO HEAR ABOUT THIS GOING ON. FIRST I HEARD OF IT.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M SURPRISED WE'RE JUST NOW LOOKING TOWARDS. HASTINGS HAS BEEN AN AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY FOR 150 YEARS.

IT'S EXACTLY WHAT MADE ST. AUGUSTINE.

HASTINGS WAS FLAGLER'S COUSIN. AGRICULTURE IS OUR WISEST PURSUIT. WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WAYS TO GET THESE MANUFACTURERS AND THE OTHER PARTS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT THE MECHANICAL PARTS LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WE NEED TO BE PUTTING THIS MUCH PUBLIC MONEY INTO IT.

IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING. IT NEEDS TO BE TOGETHER WITH THOSE OUT THERE. YOU HAVE MANUFACTURERS THAT CAN COME IN FOR BUILDING EQUIPMENT AND AS THEIR TECHNOLOGY GROWS ADAPT WITH IT. PARTNER WITH THOSE.

HOW CAN WE SUSTAIN IT AND KEEP IT GOING? THINGS CHANGE SO FAST IN THIS WORLD.

I LOVE THE CONCEPT AND THE IDEA BUT I THINK WE NEED MORE OUTSIDE INDUSTRIES TO COME IN AND HELP. THANK YOU.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> GENE GRIFFIN.

46 GROVE AVENUE. ON THE FIRST DAY OF RESTING PRACTICE AT SAINT AUGUSTINE HIGH SCHOOL, THE MATS WERE ROLLED OUT WET. THE ENTIRE 1,000 SQUARE FEET WAS COVERED IN MOLD. IT TOOK THEM 14 HOURS TO CLEAN THEM OFF. THEY PRACTICED ON THE MATS FOR ANOTHER 120 DAYS. MY SON HAS DEALT WITH RESPIRATORY ISSUES -- EXCUSE ME. SIR.

SIR, PLEASE LISTEN TO ME. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROPOSED FACILITY IN HASTINGS. WE'RE IN THE HERE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM TO TALK ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING.

>> CAN I THROW ONE THING IN. >> AT THE END OF THE MEETING, WE WILL HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO SPEAK.

>> I HAVE TROUBLE SPENDING MY MONEY WHEN THINGS AREN'T RIGHT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE. I WILL DECLINE IN RESPECT FOR YOU BUT THIS IS A PROBLEM. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AWAY WITH IGNORING IT. THANK YOU.

>> WE WELCOME PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END.

>> I'M NOT TAKING ANY MORE COMMENT.

I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING RASH.

I'M NOT TAKING ANY MORE COMMENT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. WHERE ARE WE ON THIS ITEM.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION IF I MAY.

ONE QUESTION THAT CAME UP. I TALKED ABOUT THIS ON OTHER ARPA FUNDS IN THE PAST. ONE OF DISTINGUISHING ISSUES WITH ARPA FUNDS, IT'S A NON-RECURRING FUND AND THIS MOTION WOULD BE SUPPORTING A NON-RECURRING CAPITAL INVESTMENT BECAUSE I THINK THIS WAS RAISED AS ARE WE MAKING FURTHER BY THIS MOTION ARE WE COMMITTING TO ANY RECURRING FUNDING OVER THE YEARS. I WOULD LIKE TO FOR THE RECORD

REFLECT WHERE THIS IS. >> SO, IF I MAY, IT'S DEFINITELY AN UNDERSTANDING THIS IS A FUND THAT SEEDS AND GETS STARTED AN ADULT EDUCATION PROGRAM. THERE'S NO CONTINUING INVESTMENT ON THE COUNTY. THERE IS AN EXPECTATION ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS DEMAND GROWS. THE PIECES I SHARED ABOUT PHASE TWO AND OTHERS ARE THINGS THAT WOULD TAKE ADDITIONAL CAPITAL OVER TIME, BUT THAT IS NOT THIS DISCUSSION AND NOT THE ASK HONESTLY. IT'S A PARTNERSHIP TO ESTABLISH

A CORE FACILITY AND A PHASE ONE. >> BUT YOU MENTIONED NON-RECURRING CAPITAL. THAT ALSO INCLUDES OPERATIONAL

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COSTS. WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO ON GOING RECURRING OPERATION COSTS? YOU ARE NOT.

WE WILL STAFF IT. WE WILL COMPLETELY --

>> JUST WANTED TO GET THAT AND MAKE SURE IN MY MIND.

COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. IF YOU WOULD THROUGH THE CHAIR.

SORRY ONE MORE THING. ENTER INTO AGREEMENT IF YOU CAN ADD AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SO AFTER THE FIRST MOTION TO ALLOCATE 7.665 MILLION OF ARPA FOUNDS AND ENTER -- AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATE OR OR DESIGNEE TO ENTER. I WILL LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ALLOCATE $7.66 MILLION OF ARPA FOUNDS AND AUTHORIZE THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND SCHOOL BOARD TO SUPPORT CONSTRUCTION COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE NEW SOUTHWEST FIRST COAST TECHNICAL COLLEGE IN HASTINGS.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

LEGAL, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> YES, MR. CHAIR.

I KNOW THERE WAS SOMETHING OFF TOPIC WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO CUT THAT OFF. I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THE BOARD ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS

AGENDA ITEM SINCE THERE IS -- >> I AGREE WITH YOU AM I JUST DOESN'T SEE ANY OTHER PEOPLE STANDING TO SPEAK.

I BELIEVE SOMEONE WAS WALKING TO THE PODIUM.

IS THERE SOMEONE ELSE INTENDING TO SPEAK?

>> NO. I BELIEVE MR. SLAVEN WAS WALKING

TO THE PODIUM. >> HASTINGS HAS BEEN NEGLECTED FOR TO ALONG BY THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE COUNTY.

AND THIS CAME FROM MR. FORSON'S LIPS.

THERE'S STANDING WATER AT THIS SCHOOL, WHICH IS EMBLEM ATTIC OF THE NEGLECT OF HASTINGS. BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

BY THE SCHOOL BOARD. STANDING WATER AND MOLD AND ASBESTOS PROBLEM UNABATED. I COUNSEL AND URGE YOU DO THIS MOTION. THERE NEEDS TO BE A CIVIL AND CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION OF THE MISHANDLING OF THE MOLDY MATS AT

ST. AUGUSTINE. >> DON'T INTERRUPT ME.

YOU ARE RUDE. THERE'S A MOLD PROBLEM AT THIS

SCHOOL. >> TIME OUT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TIME OUT. >> STOP THE CLOCK.

I DON'T WANT TO ASK THE DEPUTY TO ESCORT YOU OUT.

YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THE TOPIC. >> PLEASE STOP THE CLOCK.

>> IF YOU STAY ON TOPIC. >> OKAY.

THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN. THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE.

I ASKED BY OPEN RECORDS REQUEST FOR WHATEVER THEY HAD.

THERE'S ONE PARAGRAPH AND YOUR BACK UP MATERIAL.

NONE WAS WHAT WAS PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION PACKET I ASK FOR THE RESPECT AND THE COURTESY OF THE SCHOOL BOARD TO PRESENT SOME KIND OF PLANS, SOME KIND OF NUMBERS, SOME KIND OF SOMETHINGS TO THE BCC. THEY DIDN'T DO ANY OF THAT.

THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR YOU. THE SCHOOL BOARD THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO GET THIS THING RUBBER STAMPED.

BUT THIS SCHOOL HAS BEEN NEGLECTED.

WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE MOLD REMEDIATION COSTS WOULD BE.

WHAT THE ASBESTOS COST WOULD BE. RATHER THAN JUST WRITE A BLANK CHECK FROM THE BCC BECAUSE IT'S FREE MONEY FROM ARPA.

COULD WE PLEASE DEFER THIS TO ANOTHER MEETING AND DO THE PROPER DUE DILIGENCE AND THE PROPER VETTING THAT I KNOW YOU CAN DO AND ASK THE COUNTY STAFF TO DO THE PROPER VETTING.

HAVE THE COUNTY ENGINEERS, HAVE THE COUNTY STAFF WHO ARE COGNIZANT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH ISSUES GO AND LOOK AT HASTINGS HIGH SCHOOL AND SEE HOW MUCH MONEY HAS TO BE PUT INTO THIS? IS THIS GOING TO BE A MONEY PIT? IS THIS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE SOMETHING Y'ALL WILL REGRET? BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW INCONSIDERATE THEY ARE. AND HOW BAD THEY ARE AT PLANNING. AND HOW LITTLE RESPECT THEY HAVE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE SCHOOL BOARD.

WHEN THEY TELL YOU THERE'S STANDING WATER IN THE SCHOOL AND UNDER THE SCHOOL AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO REMEDIATE THE THING. THIS IS A PIPEDREAM.

THIS IS AWFUL. SO PLEASE VOTE NO.

PLEASE MOVE TO TABLE AND LET'S BRING IT BACK AT A FUTURE

AGENDA. >> THANK YOU MR. SLAVEN.

>> THANK YOU, ED AND THANKS FOR STAYING ON TOPIC.

ANYTHING ELSE? >> I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. MERCIFULLY FINISHED.

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>> I WAS JUST, I HAVEN'T HAD KIDS AT HASTINGS HIGH SCHOOL SINCE '82. IN MY FRESHMAN YEAR --

>> I'M NOT BEING DISRESPECTFUL WHEN I CALL HIM COACH.

HE WAS JUST GRADUATED COLLEGE AND I STARTED HIGH SCHOOL.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY HOW MANY YEARS THAT IS.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. THAT PASSES 5-0.

ALL RIGHT. TIM, THANKS FOR COMING.

APPRECIATE IT. NICOLE.

THANKS Y'ALL. ALL RIGHT.

NOW, I HAVE A, THIS IS A REALLY PLEASANT MOMENT FOR ME.

BECAUSE I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE TO YOU OR RE-INTRODUCE BECAUSE HE'S BEEN WITH US A NUMBER OF TIMES, JASON HARRAH WHO IS OUR PROJECT MANAGER OR THE PROJECT FOR EXAMPLE MORE BEACH RENOURISHMENT I THINK ALL OVER THE STATE NOW AND HE HAS A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH US.

JASON. THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS.

GOOD MORNING. JASON HARRAH.

PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF ST. JOHNS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PROGRAM IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMMITMENTS AND THE OPPORTUNITIES THE CORPS HAS, OUR BEACH PROJECTS COME WITH A GUARANTEE. IF WE HAVE A MAJOR STORM EVENT THAT ERODES THE BEACHES AND MAKES THEM SUSCEPTIBLE FOR STORMS. WE HAVE A WARRANTY TO RESTORE BEACHES IF THEY MEET FEDERAL CRITERIA AT 100% COST.

FOLLOWING THE NOREASTER IN NOVEMBER, THE BEACHES IN VILANO AND SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH SUFFERED SEVERE EROSION WHERE THE PUBLIC ACCESS POINTS HAD TO BE CLOSED DUE TO THE NOREASTER EVENT. OUR TEAM IN JACKSONVILLE COMPLETED A PROJECT INFORMATION REPORT FOR VILANO AND SAINT AUGUSTINE AND WERE APPROVED. AS OF LAST WEEK, THE FINAL APPROVAL HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND SIGNED OFF BY GENERAL SPELMAN, THE THREE STAR GENERAL IN WASHINGTON.

FOR ST. AUGUSTINE. UP TO $37 MILLION TO DESIGN, PERMIT AND RESTORE ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH WITH 3 YEARS MONITORING PAID 100% BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S ROUGHLY TWO MILLION CUBIC YARDS OF SAND.

FOR VILANO. UP TO $25 MILLION OF FEDERAL MONEY TO RESTORE VILANO BEACH WITH ONE MILLION CUBIC YARDS OF SOUND AND 2.6 MILES OF BEACH. THE TOTAL IS $62 MILLION FEDERAL, 100%. THREE MILLION YARDS OF SAND AND ROUGHLY FIVE MILES OF COAST LINE RESTORED.

THE ESTIMATED TIMELINE TO DO THAT WE WILL BE USING OFF SHORE STAND THIS TIME FOR BOTH PROJECTS.

WE HAVE DESIGNING AND PERMITTING EFFORTS THERE.

OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A CONTRACT AWARDED BY DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR. I CAN'T TAKE CREDIT.

COMMISSIONER DEAN WAS VITAL TO CHECK THE STATUS OF THAT.

CONGRESSMAN RUTHERFORD AND CORE STAFF THROUGH WASHINGTON.

THAT'S $60 MILLION OF FEDERAL MONEY COMING TO THE COUNTY TO RESTORE THE BEACHES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

SUBJECT TO QUESTIONS. >>CHAIR DEAN: ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ANYONE WANT TO VOTE NO? WE WILL GLADLY THE ACCEPT OF CORPS'S OFFER AND ALL SERIOUSNESS. MOST PEOPLE WHO HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THINGS WITH BEACH RENOURISHMENT AND JASON AND HIS GROUP IN JACKSONVILLE. THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SAYING HOW WONDERFUL IT IS TO HAVE A FEDERAL PROJECT AND IT'S JUST A REALLY GOOD NEWS FOR THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

NOT JUST THE BEACH FRONT HOMEOWNERS BUT THE THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS WHO DEPEND ON THESE BEACHES FOR RECREATION AND ACTIVITY AND ALL OF THE ECONOMIC SPIN OFF OF THAT. THE MULTIPLIER EFFECT IN ST.

[4. Public Hearing * NZVAR 2021-16 110 Chase Street (2nd Driveway). Request for a Non-Zoning Variance to Section 6.04.05.C.3 of the Land Development Code to allow a second driveway connection for an existing property.]

AUGUSTINE TO SARNOTA. WONDERFUL NEWS.

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THANK YOU FOR COMING. WE KNOW YOU WERE BUSY THIS MORNING. THANK YOU JASON.

>> WE WILL KEEP YOU POSTED ON THE SCHEDULE.

WE WILL BE TARGETING DECEMBER. IT WILL BE ONE CONTRACT FOR BOTH

>> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>>CHAIR DEAN: I THINK THAT TAKES US ALL THE WAY TO ITEM FOUR OR FIVE. I THINK WE'RE ON ITEM FOUR.

EX PARTE. >> FOUR IS AS WELL SIR.

>> IT IS? I'LL BE.

I HAVE IT NOT MARKED. START ON 4.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER >> NO.

>> WALDRON. >> NONE MR. CHAIRMAN.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST >> NO, SIR.

NONE >> ARNOLD.

>> 99. I HAVE NONE.

IS THERE AN APPLICANT TO FOUR?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS GEORGE YOUNG. I AM HERE ON AGENDA ITEM FOUR.

I REPRESENT MS. SUZET YOUNG-JACKSON.

MAKE SURE I DON'T FORGET ALL THIS.

THIS SUBJECT MATTER IS ABOUT 110 CHASE STREET.

THAT'S IN HASTINGS, FLORIDA. THE BOTTOM LINE IS, MY CLIENT HAS A 1968 BUILT HOUSE ON THE NARROW PIECE OF PROPERTY.

WHICH SHE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ACCESS TO HER BACKYARD.

SHE'S ASKING TO COME OFF HOLT STREET IN THE YEAR OF THAT WITH AN APPROVAL OF A NON-ZONING VARIANCE.

YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP.

BETWEEN CHASE STREET AND HOLT. THERE'S AN ACTUAL AREA OF IT.

THE FRONT IS ON CHASE STREET. THERE'S NO WAY SHE CAN DRIVE AROUND THE SIDE. JUST WAIT THEY WERE BUILT AND THE WAY IT'S SHAPED. SHE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROPER DRIVEWAY PERMITS TO DRIVE A VEHICLE INTO THE BACKYARD AND HAVE ACCESS. THE ZONING MAP.

GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE IT'S AT.

THIS GETS INTO THE SITE PLAN. THE ENGINEER IS HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. I PROMISE TO BE THE SHORTEST SPEAKER UP HERE TODAY. THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE JUST ASKING THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THIS.

IT'S JUST SIMPLY TO HAVE ACCESS AND BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE USE OF HER BACKYARD. UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME. I WILL TURN OVER TO THE ENGINEER. ANY QUESTIONS? PUBLIC COMMENT OR DID YOU HAVE --

>> PUBLIC COMMENT? HE'S WITH YOU.

>> YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> JAMES BAKER. 2701 SOUTH [INAUDIBLE] AVENUE.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THE NEIGHBORS WERE NOTIFIED FOR THIS

VARIANCE? >> YES.

THEY DID GET NOTIFIED. WE ALSO HAVE A LETTER ON THE NEXT SLIDE. WE ACTUALLY HAD A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS FROM 106 STREET AS

PART OF THE PROCESS. >> I APPLIED FOR A 2 DRIVEWAY LAWRENCE AVENUE AND THAT WAS DENIED.

I WAS TOLD I CANNOT HAVE A SECOND DRIVEWAY.

I HAVE A THROUGH LOT. AND I HAVE TWO FRONT YARDS.

AND I WAS TOLD I CANNOT HAVE IT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEBODY

ELSE CAN GET A SECOND DRIVEWAY. >> OKAY.

DICK, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? LET'S HAVE RESPOND TO THIS QUESTION.

>> THIS IS AN APPLICATION TO SEEK RELIEF FROM THE CODE WHICH ONLY ALLOWS FOR ONE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION FOR A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY SO THE PROPER PROCESS FOR GETTING A SECONDARY WOULD BE THROUGH THE NON-ZONING VARIANCE WHICH THIS APPLICANT HAS DONE.

>> SO CAN I APPLY FOR A SECOND DRIVEWAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS?

>> ANYBODY CAN REQUEST FROM A NON-VARIANCE APPLICATION PROCESS

THROUGH GROWTH MANAGEMENT. >> YOUR DEPARTMENT SAY IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A SECOND DRIVEWAY.

>> AGAIN, NON-ZONING VARIANCE IS A PROCESS BEFORE THE BOARD FOR

THEIR >> THANK YOU, SIR.

YES, MA'AM. >> HI.

SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THIS MAN BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT TOTALLY WASN'T EVEN IN THIS MAN'S PERIMETER OF WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. AND IF WE WANT TO GO THERE AND THROW A RABBIT DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE, THIS MAN IS THE ONE WHO

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VIOLATED AND HAD TO GO AND FINE BY DEP.

NOW YOU'RE GOING TO STOP MY MR. WHITEHURST.

>> OKAY. YOU DID NOT STOP MR. BAKER FROM COMMENTING ON SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WAS BEFORE YOU. THAT'S WHY I COME UP HERE.

OKAY. THERE WAS LOTS OF VIOLATIONS DONE. WETLANDS FILLED IN AND ALL THIS FOR THIS MAN. SO, IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT FOR ONE OF US. YOU NEED TO DO IT FOR ALL.

YOU LET HIM GET UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T PERTAIN TO THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MS. BADGER AM ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 4 FOR NON-ZONING VARIANCE ON CHASE

STREET. >> B.J. KLATY, WEST CITY OF NEW SOME. SINCE THE GENTLEMEN SHOWED A LETTER OF APPROVAL. WAS THERE ANYONE NOTIFIED THAT WERE OPPOSED TO THIS THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. MA'AM.

ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 4.

>> WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY BOARD COMMENTS.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.

[5. Public Hearing * PUD 21-17 County Road 210 W Mixed Use PUD. Request to rezone approximately 14.96 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow a maximum of 262,000 square feet of commercial, office, educational, and assisted living uses. The Planning and Zoning Agency voted 5-0 to recommend approval at its regularly scheduled meeting on April 7, 2022.]

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE 2021-16, 110 CHASE STREET TO SECTION 6.04.05 POINT C .3 SUBJECT TO THE SIX FINDINGS AND FIVE CONDITIONS AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. >>CHAIR DEAN: THAT PASSES 5-0.

THAT TAKES US TO NUMBER 5. COUNTY ROAD 210.

MIXED USE. >> AND MR. CHAIR.

THIS IS QUASI JUDICIAL AS WELL. MY MISTAKE.

ON 5, YES, ANY EX PARTE COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF A MEETING OR PHONE CALLS ON MATTER.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> 99 MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> NONE FOR ME. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

>> NO MEETINGS OR PHONE CALLS. NONE TO WANT REPORT.

NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS.

I'M MICHAEL SZNAPSTAJLER. ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANTS AND QIL AND SAUNT AUGUSTINE DIOCESE, WE WILL BE BRIEF IN OUR PRESENTATION. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT AND EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THE SPECIFIC REQUEST BEFORE YOU

TODAY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, JESSICA [INAUDIBLE] IN DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA WE WILL START OFF WITH A ROAD MAP. WE WILL KEEP THE PRESENTATION SHORT AND SWEET. WE WILL PROVIDE AN OVER VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. SURROUNDING AREA.

MIGHT WALK THROUGH THE PROPOSED PLAN RENDERING AND THE PROJECT COMPATIBILITY AND THE SURROUNDING USES AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. THE PROPERTY OVERVIEW, THE APPLICANTSES FOR QOS LLP AND THE DIOCESE.

YOU WILL SEE IN A MOMENT ON THE SITE PLAN.

THERE'S THREE LOTS AND EXISTING EDUCATIONAL FACILITY.

THERE IS AN APPROVED ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND A VACANT OUT PARCEL.

WE ARE REQUESTING PUD VARIANCE THAT ALLOWS THE USES REQUESTED TODAY. TO A PUD TO ADD MORE COMMERCIAL USES FOR THE OUT PARCEL. THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY DID REVIEW THIS REQUEST. WE HAD A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SO WE ARE REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND THIS PROJECT IS REALLY INTENDED TO CREATE AN INTERGENERATIONAL PROJECT. WHAT WE HAVE SEEN APPROXIMATE THE APPLICANTS WITH THE BLAKE AND THE EDUCATIONAL FACILITY, IS WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE AN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN UP THROUGH OUR SENIOR CITIZENS AND OUR RELATIVES WHO CAN COME TOGETHER AND CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EXISTING RESIDENCES.

SO YOU ARE NO LONGER 25 MINUTES AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILY STAYING AT THE BLAKE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.

YOU'RE GOING TO PICK UP YOUR CHILD FROM SCHOOL AND WE'RE

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PROPOSING A SWIM SCHOOL USE ON THE OUT PARCEL.

THERE'S A GREAT INTEGRATION THERE.

WHERE THE GRANDMA AND GRANDPA GET TO WATCH THEIR GRAND KIDS LEARN TO SWIM. WE HAVE A FEW MAPS HERE.

THE LOCATION MAP IS LOCATED TO THE EAST OF ST. JOHNS COMMONS AND THEN TO THE WEST OF THE SHOPS AT ST. JOHNS PARK WAY.

SO IF YOU CAN PICTURE THAT. IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THERE ALONG 210. THE CURRENT ZONING IS OPEN RURAL. YOU WILL SEE THE SURROUNDING AREAS OF PUD AND RESIDENTIAL C. NO CHANGE PROPOSED THERE AND THE MIXED USE DISTRICT AND THE MORE COMMERCIAL CORE.

THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONTINUES ON THE SITE.

YOU CAN SEE THE SAINT TREES EARLY LEARNING CENTER.

THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED IS THERE ON THE BACK PATH AND THAT OPEN PARCEL IS ON THE FRONTAGE.

MICHAEL WILL RUN THROUGH THE SPECIFIC USES.

>> WE ARE IN A UNIQUE SITUATION. WE HAVE THREE PRIMARY USES IN THE PUD. THREE USES.

ONE THAT IS OPERATING. ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND ONE PROPOSED. I THOUGHT I WOULD TALK ABOUT THE THREE OF THEM BRIEFLY. THIS IS THE RENDERING OR ELEVATION FOR THE BLAKE AT ST. JOHNS.

IT'S THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES OF THAT PROJECT HERE.

QSL. THEY ARE AN OWNER AND OPERATOR OF ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE FACILITY.

THIS FACILITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IS 115,000 SQUARE FEET AND MEETS THE APPLICABLE SCENIC EDGE, DEVELOPMENT EDGE, SETBACKS AND LANDSCAPING AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEAST.

IN DAYTONA BEACH AND WORKED ON THE OPENING IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF THIS YEAR. THE DESIGN, THE PROJECT TEAM REALLY TAKES A GOOD LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY THEY'RE COMING INTO.

SO, AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT HERE, SPANISH RENAISSANCE ARCHITECTURE IS THE KEY FOCAL POINT FOR THE FACILITY.

THAT IS THE ELEVATION FOR THE PLAN UNDER CONSTRUCTION TODAY.

THEY TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THE THE FACILITY THEMSELVES.

THEY HAVE A SEPARATE MEMORY CARE FROM THE REST OF THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AND THERE'S ALL TYPES OF AMENITIES AND THINGS YOU WANT FOR YOUR SENIORS. WORK OUT FACILITIES.

CAFE. LIBRARY, LOBBY, REHAB CENTER.

MEETING SPACES FOR DOCTORS TO COME AND SEE THE SENIORS AS WELL. PORCHES AND A BEAUTIFUL COURTYARD. ALL REALLY, REALLY NICE.

AND HERE'S A RENDERING THE ENTRANCE TO THE FACILITY FROM COUNTY ROAD 210. I DID WANT TO TOUCH BRIEFLY

ABOUT THE EARLY LEARNING CENTER >> IT'S IN OPERATION AND OPENED BACK IN 2016. AND THEY PROVIDE CHILD CARE FOR INFANTS THROUGH AGE FOUR. SO THROUGH THE BEGINNING OF ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AND THEIR PROGRAMS ARE FOCUSED EMOTIONAL, SOCIAL, PHYSICAL SPIRITUAL AND INTELLECTUAL GROWTH OF THEIR CHILDRENS. WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES OF DIOCESE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR FACILITY.

THE LAST IS THE PROPOSED RECREATIONAL FACILITY.

I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP PAT AND KATIE MURPHY TO TALK BRIEFLY

ABOUT THEIR SITE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M PAT MURPHY. 441 EASTWOOD HAFEN DRIVE.

MY WIFE KATIE HAVE BEEN IN PONTE VEDRA FOR 23 YEARS.

WE HAVE BEEN A PART OF SWIMMING FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS.

ALL THREE OF OUR CHILDREN SWAM AND OUR YOUNGEST SWIMS. KATIE IS A LIFELONG EDUCATOR AND TEAMED UP WITH GOLD FISH, A NATIONAL FRANCHISE AND TRAIN 175,000 CHILDREN THROUGH THEIR SYSTEM ON A WEEKLY BASIS. IT STARTS FOUR MONTHS AND THE GREATER POPULATION OF THE STUDENTS ARE FOUR MONTHS TO AGE FIVE. IT'S A REAL NICE CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT. 90 DEGREE WATER AND 90 DEGREE TEMPERATURE INSIDE AND CREATES GOOD LIFE SKILL FOR CHILDREN AND LEARN TO SWIM WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT IN STATE OF FLORIDA, THE MOST COMMON DEATH ACCIDENTAL IS DROWNING.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND THIS IS A PART OF OUR SON RYAN WHO IS AN OLYMPIAN AND WANTS TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

HOPE YOU CAN APPROVE IT. THANK YOU.

HERE'S A QUICK RENDERING OF WHAT THEIR COMMON FACILITIES DO LOOK LIKE. AND IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, THEY WERE TWO ACRES OF WETLANDS AT SITE PREVIOUSLY IMPACTED AND PERMITTED FOR DEVELOPMENT. NO NEW WETLAND IMPACTS UNDER

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THIS PUD. TRAFFIC REVIEW ALL THREE OF THESE USES ARE TRADITIONALLY YOUR LOW TRAFFIC GENERATORS.

THE EARLY LEARNING CENTER IS PROBABLY THE HIGHEST TRAFFIC GENERATOR. AND THE INDOOR RECREATION TEND TO BE LOWER. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY IMPACT OTHER THAN WHAT IS ALLOWED IN OPEN RURAL.

THERE IS EXISTING CAPACITY TO SUPPORT THE STANDPOINT AS WELL.

THERE IS NO IMPACT TO SCHOOLS AS A RESULT TO THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THERE'S NO TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE ASSISTED FACILITY BEING THE ONLY USE. THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME TYPE OF ADDITIONAL REVIEW WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD IF A RESIDENTIAL USE WERE TO BE PROPOSED HERE. AND IN TERMS OF PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. WE PROVIDE 3.75 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE THAT GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE EARLY LEARNING CENTER IN TERMS OF EARLY RECREATION AND NOT COUNTING THE PROPOSED SCHOOL. WE HAVE A COUPLE MINOR REQUESTED WAIVERS WHICH HAD TO DO WITH THE FACT WE'RE BRINGING EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND NEW DEVELOPMENT TOGETHER.

THE EARLY LEARNING CENTER ISN'T TECHNICALLY A SCHOOL UNDER YOUR CODE BUT WE WANTED TO BE SAFE ABOUT THE WAIVER.

THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY DOES SEVEN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES TO THEIR RESIDENTS. THERE IS A PROVISION ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET FROM A SCHOOL OR PLACE OF WORSHIP.

THE SWIM SCHOOL DOES NOT HAVE THEIR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN YET. SO WE ARE REQUESTING A WAIVER FROM THAT ONE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT ONE FACILITY AND TO FACILITATE THE INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT USES TO ALLOW THE SENIORS TO WALK FROM THE EARLY LEARNING CENTER AND THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, WE DID REQUEST A SMALL WAIVER FROM LANDSCAPE BUFFERS WITHIN CERTAIN PARKING AREAS OF SITE AS WELL.

I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF SHOWING THE COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN THIS SITE AND THE SURROUNDING USES.

BUT WE DO THINK IT'S AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR INNER GENERATIONAL DEVELOPMENT. WE BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE THE TYPES OF INSTITUTIONAL USES FOLKS ARE LOOKING FOR WHEN THEY MOVE INTO A COMMUNITY AND WANT TO WORK WITHIN A COMMUNITY.

THIS SLIDE DOES SHOW YOU THE MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY AND RESIDENTIAL. OUR SITE IS IN GREEN.

THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE IN RED.

AND THE COMMERCIAL AREAS ARE IN BLUE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. WE HAVE OUR PROJECT TEAM HERE IN CASE YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS. AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR

APPROVAL OF THIS PUD. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 5. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

[6. Public Hearing * REZ 2021-39 County Road 210 Hotel. Request to rezone approximately 2.59 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) and Commercial Intensive (CI) to Commercial Intensive (CI) to provide for the same zoning district over the entirety of the site, and accommodate the construction of a hotel. The Planning and Zoning Agency (PZA) heard this request during their regularly scheduled public hearing on March 17, 2022. The item was recommended for approval with a vote of 7-0.]

MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2022- >> 29.

>> PUD 2117 COUNTY ROAD 210 WEST MIXED USE PUD.

BASED UPON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.

NUMBER 6. IS THAT -- IT'S QUASI JUDICIAL.

JEREMIAH. ANY EX PARTE ON 6?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN I HAVE NO RECORD OF MEETINGS OR PHONE CALLS ON

THAT MATTER. >> NOZ.

I HAVE NONE. >> NONE

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> NONE.

WE HAVE NO EX PARTE. WE ARE PREPARED ON 6.

WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. HELLO MS. TAYLOR.

GOOD AFTERNOON. >> HELLO.

GOOD AFTERNOON OR LATE GOOD MORNING.

I AM KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARA GOSSA STREET.

WITH ME IS PHYLLIS ARNOLD. THIS IS HER PROPERTY AND WE ARE REQUESTING A REZONING FOR A PIECE THAT IS ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, A PORTION OF IT.

BUT THERE'S A PORTION THAT'S ZONED OPEN RURAL AND WE WANT TO MAKE THE WHOLE SITE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.

JUST TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH IT. SOUTH SIDE OF 210.

THE EAST SIDE OF INTERSTATE 95 IS TO THE WEST.

WE HAVE THE ASCENSION HOSPITAL GOING UP THERE ON THE NORTH.

AND IT JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THAT GENERAL AREA.

JUST GETTING A LITTLE CLOSER YOU CAN SEE THE INTERCHANGE THERE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE MOON BAY PARK WAY ROAD AND HOW THAT'S IMPROUFING. AND ALSO THE OTHER COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES IN THE AREA. THIS JUST IS A DEMONSTRATION OF

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THE PROPERTY WE'RE AGAIN REZONING THE ENTIRE PIECE HOWEVER THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS FRONT PIECE IS ZONED UI. THIS REAR PIECE WAS LEFT OUT UNDER HALF AN ACRE. .5 ACRES.

MIXED USE LAND USE. THAT'S THE GENERAL ZONING IN THE AREA AND THAT'S JUST A CLOSE UP JUST TO SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENCE IN WHERE THE OR ZONING IS. I WILL GO THROUGH THESE QUICKLY.

WE DO HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT WAS JUST A GENERAL LAYOUT THAT WAS DONE TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT COULD BE DONE ON THE SITE.

PICTURES, 210 LOOKING EAST. TO THE NORTHEAST.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ASCENSION IS COMING IN AT MOON BAY PARK WAY AND NORTH AREAS OF THAT. YOU ARE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS. YOU CAN SEE THE NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

OF COURSE, WHEN YOU WAS OUT THERE TAKING PICTURES, THEY WERE WORKING ON RESURFACING MOON BAY PARK WAY.

THIS IS KIND OF COMING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S DOWN THAT.

LOOKING NORTH TO IT AND JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND THAT'S THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S STARTED AND THERE'S QUITE A DISTANCE BETWEEN THIS AND THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

WE FEEL THE ZONING CHANGE IS APPROPRIATE.

IT'S NEEDED SO THE ENTIRE SITE CAN BE DEVELOPED AS A SINGLE PROJECT. AND AGAIN, IT'S 2.59 ACRES BUT . .58 IS REALLY REPRESENTS WHAT WE'RE REZONING. IS VERY TO OTHER USES IN THE AREA. CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND ANYTHING DEVELOPED WILL MEET THE LDC REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.

WE DID GET A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FROM THE PZA AND WE'RE HERE REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL TODAY.

HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >>CHAIR DEAN: QUESTIONS.

PUBLISH COMMENT. >> PUBLISH -- PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ANYBODY WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME

FORWARD. >> CHUCK LEBNOWSKI.

MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN ON 210. THE BOARD DENIED A STORAGE FACILITY THAT WAS GOING TO GO ON 1 SIDE STREET BECAUSE OF THE ASSESS ON 210. MY CONCERN IS THEY'RE PUTTING AN ACCESS ROAD FROM THE PROPERTY ON 210.

THIS TURN LANE IS THERE. IT ALSO HAS A CENTER AISLE.

YOU HAVE TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING IN OUT OF THERE.

I WAS AT MY DAUGHTER'S HOUSE OVER EASTER WEEKEND AND IT WAS TOUGH GETTING IN AND OUT BECAUSE OF THE TRACTOR TRAILERS GOING IN AND OUT. I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DENY THIS UNTIL A FURTHER DATE UNTIL 210 GETS FIXED.

IT IS A NIGHTMARE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. NOW IS THE TIME.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU MS. TAYLOR.

CARE TO RESPOND? >> JUST TO ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS FOR 210 THAT ARE PLANNED AND ARE ALSO BEING DONE BY DR HORTON AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT'S GOING IN THERE.

THIS IS A REPRESENTATIVE, JUST A STRAIGHT ZONING AND AGAIN IT'S FOR .58 ACRES OF A SITE THAT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USE. SO, THEY WILL DEFINITELY DEAL WITH ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES AND THINGS WITH DRIVEWAY PERMITS THROUGH THE COUNTY. SO THAT REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> YES, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I WAS CURIOUS WHAT THE TIMELINE IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS ON 210? DO WE HAVE TIMELINE?

>> DON'T WANT TO CATCH YOU GUYS. GREG, DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE FOR

THE 210 IMPROVEMENTS. >> THERE'S TWO SEGMENTS FROM

CIMARON TO GREEN BRYAR. >> THIS PROJECT IS CLOSER OVER TO THE BEACH WALK AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE BEACH WALK TWIN CREEKS DEVELOPER. WE WILL HAVE CONVERSATION WITH

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MR. KINSEY AND THE DEVELOPER. >> WHAT ARE Y'ALL GOING TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS? WE HOPE WITHIN THE MONTH OF

>> THANK YOU. >> MRS. COMMISSIONER.

PHILLIS ALREADY DEDICATED THE FRONTAGE ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY TO THAT. ON THE SIDE STREET ON MOON BAY, WORKED WITH DR HORTON SO THERE'S ANOTHER 20 FEET OF ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR MOON BAY PARK WAY, CE WILSON ROAD AS WELL.

THAT'S PART OF THE THING. SHE ACTUALLY CUT OFF 20 FEET ALONG 210 AND 20 FEET ALONG THIS CORNER.

[7. Public Hearing * REZ 2021-40 Spanish Forest. Request to rezone approximately 31.75 acres of land from Residential, Single Family (RS-3) to Workforce Housing (WH) to allow for 106 residential dwelling units, consisting of 52 single family and 54 townhomes. The property is unaddressed and located south of Columbus Street and northeast of the Solomon Calhoun Community Center. This request was heard by the Planning and Zoning Agency on March 17, 2022, and was recommended for approval with a vote of 7 to 0. The Agency discussed wetlands, adjacent streets, and access to the development. There was public comment that discussed access through neighboring streets and area wetlands.]

>> THANK YOU. I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

I MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2022- >> 30.

>> APPROVING REZONING 2021-39 COUNTY ROAD 210 HOTEL BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 4-1. WE TURN TO 7.

NUMBER 7. >> THIS IDEA IS QUASI JUDICIAL.

>> THIS IS EX PARTE. NUMBER 7.

JEREMIAH. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

SO ON TUESDAY APRIL 12TH, 1:00 P.M. I MET WITH MS. KAREN TAYLOR AND MR. BILLY ZIES TO SPEAK ABOUT THE COPE OF PROJECT.

THE DENSITY AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE DID DISCUSS IF THERE WAS OPPOSITION FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT THE LONG RANGE PLANNING WOULD BE FOR THIS.

TO MEET THE AFFORDABLE WORK FORCE HOUSING NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> >> MR. CHAIRMAN.

I I HAD A MEETING THURSDAY 4-14 AT 12:30 A.M. WITH MS. KAREN TAYLOR AND BILLY ZIES. WE DISCUSSED THE APPLICATION.

ACCESS THE SOLOMON CALHOUN CENTER, WHERE THE INGRESS AND EGRESS OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE. A PATH BUILT ON SOLOMON.

I THINK THEY HAD THAT ON THEIR PLANS.

AND I THINK THAT'S IT MR. CHAIRMAN.

I DID GET ONE E-MAIL LATE LAST NIGHT.

I THINK ALL THAT GENTLEMEN'S CONCERNS WERE ANSWERED BY NOT ACCESSING, I THINK IT'S A COFFER AND WHAT THE OTHER STREET TO

EAST OF IT >> COLUMBUS.

>> SO THERE'S NO ACCESS TO EITHER ONE OF THOSE.

THAT WAS TWO OF HIS MAIN CONCERNS.

>> EXCEPT THE EMERGENCY ACCESS. >> I MET ON THURSDAY THE 14TH, THURSDAY APRIL 14TH AT AROUND 4:00 WITH KAREN TAYLOR AND BILLY ZIES. WE WENT OVER THE PROPOSAL AND THE FACT IT WAS COMPATIBLE WITHIN THE AREA OF THE COUNTY AROUND WEST AUGUSTINE AND THAT'S BETWEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY.

AND THEN IN ANY EVENT, >> MR. CHAIRMAN.

WE DISCUSSED THE LOCATION. WE DISCUSSED THE INGRESS AND EGRESS. WE DISCUSSED THE NEED FOR WORK

FORCE HOUSING IN THE COUNTY. >> MR. CHAIRMAN.

THURSDAY APRIL 14TH AT 1:00 P.M. I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR AND BILLY SIKES. THE APPLICANT AT THE OFFICE.

WE DISCUSSED THE SCOPE, DENSITY AND WORK FORCE OF THE

SURROUNDING AREAS. >> HELLO AGAIN.

KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARA GOSSA STREET AND BILLY IS WITH ME TODAY. AS IS CHRIS BUTTERMOORE THE CIVIL ENGINEER. OUR ASK IS TO REZONE FROM RS 3 TO WORK FORCE HOUSING. AND THIS WAS I DID SO YOU SOME OF THESE WHEN I MET WITH YOU. WE'RE REALLY RIGHT KIND OF IN THE CENTER OF THE WEST AUGUSTIN AREA.

THERE'S KING STREET TO THE NORTH.

STATE ROAD 207, HOMES BOULEVARD AND US 1.

IT'S IN A NICE CENTRAL LOCATION AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE SOLOMON CALHOUN CENTER, THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE

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PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THERE'S ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.

IT IS EAST OF DUVAL AND WEST OF THE RAILROAD KIND OF SEPARATES IT FROM THIS OTHER SECTION OF CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

WE TALKED ABOUT COLUMBUS STREET AND ANDERSON STREET, YOU CAN SEE THOSE AND I WILL GET INTO THAT IN A MOMENT.

IT'S NORTH OF THE LITTLE LEAGUE PARK AND OSCEOLA.

WE ARE IN RESIDENTIAL. WE ARE AT 4.32 SITES PER ACRE AND ZONING IS JUST A GENERAL ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT BUT HERE WE HAVE THE RS 3, IT'S 7500 FOOT LOTS.

IT'S UNREALISTIC TO DO THAT. YOU HAVE A VARIETY IN THE AREA.

JUST KIND OF GETTING BACK TO THE SITE ITSELF, IT DOES HAVE THE RAILROAD TO THAT EAST SIDE. IT ALSO HAS A 100 FOOT FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT EASEMENT THAT GOES THROUGH IT.

THERE IS ANOTHER STREET BETWEEN HERE AND I'M BLOCKING, I.

BLANKING ON THE NAME. SO, AGAIN, DUVAL STREET, THERE'S A SECTION OF THIS THAT WILL HAVE LOTS ON IT.

THERE IS A LARGE WETLAND SYSTEM THAT GOES THROUGH HERE.

THAT WILL JUST BE CROSSED BY THIS.

AND THEN WE HAVE OUR AREA FOR MAJOR PORTION OF THE SITE AND EVERYTHING FROM THE, ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF SITE IS GOING TO BE REMAIN PRETTY MUCH AS IT IS. AGAIN WE CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH WORK FORCE HOUSING. THIS WILL BE BETWEEN 200 AND LOW 300. WORK FORCE IS 43 OF THE 106 WE'RE ASKING FOR. THOSE HAVE TO MEET THE PRICE LIMITS AS YOU HAVE SET. WE DON'T NEED DENSITY BONUS BECAUSE OF LAND USE WE HAVE. AND I HAVE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY LOT SIZES AND THINGS.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO EXCEED FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY AS WELL AS FOR THE TOWNHOUSES, AND THEY WOULD REALLY HAVE A NICE MIX OF THE TWO. TWO DIFFERENT TYPES.

SCHOOL CONCURRENCY NUMBERS AREN'T AVAILABLE, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 78 STUDENTS AND THE LOTS, THE EXISTING PLATTED LOTS THAT WILL BE USED DO PROVIDE FOR -- THEY DO HAVE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY BUT IF THERE'S ANY PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE, THEY RECOGNIZE THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY THAT.

THIS WAS A SITE PLAN I USED AT PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND WHEN AT THAT MEETING AND WHEN I FIRST MET WITH A COUPLE COMMISSIONERS AND THEY CAME UP WITH A SMALL ALTERNATIVE TO IT.

SO THE BASIC CONCEPT IS THE SAME.

52 SINGLE-FAMILY AND 54 MULTIPLE FAMILY HOMES.

THE WETLAND AREAS OF 8.28 ACRES AND ABOUT A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE OF -- SO JUST TO GIVE YOU THE CHANGE FOR IT.

THE ACCESS IS STILL FROM DUVAL STREET.

IT'S NOT SHOWN VERY WELL ON HERE.

BUT THEY BASICALLY CHANGE THE AREA TO ADD A LOOP ROAD UP IN THE FRONT AND WITH A BUS STOP IN THAT AREA AS WELL.

BUT NO CHANGES TO ANY OF THE OTHER AREA AS I DISCUSSED WITH SOME OF FOLKS THAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THIS JUST A LITTLE CLOSER KIND OF SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE. EVERYTHING IN YELLOW ARE THE TOWN HOMES. PURPLISH PINK ARE THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. THEY KIND OF CHANGED ALSO AND MOVED TO SHOW SOME MULTI-FAMILY AS WELL AS THE SINGLE-FAMILY SO THEY COULD GET THE DEVELOPMENT STARTED WITHIN THIS AREA.

AS THEY WORK ON THE REST OF IT. THEY'RE LEAVING A VERY LARGE WETLAND SYSTEM THAT GOES IN HERE.

OBVIOUSLY NOT TOUCHING THIS EXCEPT FOR THE CROSSOVER.

AND THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER LARGE WETLAND SYSTEM HERE THEY WILL NOT BE IMPACTING AS WELL. THE ONLY IMPACTS ARE HERE AND

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THE E-MAIL THAT CAME IN DID DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT.

BASICALLY AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT. WE HAVE TAKEN THE EASEMENT AND INCORPORATED IT INTO OTHER PROPERTY TO MAKE REALLY LARGE PARK ALONG THAT EASTERN WETLANDS.

SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE BIKE PATHS AND THAT ACTIVITY AS WELL. AND THEN THEY THERE WILL BE SMALL POCKET AREAS WITH RECREATION FACILITIES.

WE DO HAVE A T-TURN AROUND ON THE NORTH.

THERE'S ONLY WON'T ENTRANCE. THE FOLKS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AT COLUMBUS STREET IN THIS AREA DID NOT WANT ACCESS TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND AND I BEING EXPLAINED TO YOU ALL THERE'S QUITE A DISTANCE TO GET OUT OF HERE AS WELL. SO, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT WE WILL INCLUDE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS THERE SO IT WILL HAVE TO BE COLUMBUS STREET THAT SECTION, THAT LITTLE SECTION WILL HAVE TO BE IMPROVED JUST IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE WAIT REQUIREMENT FOR A FIRE TRUCK. OTHER THAN THAT, WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT USING VEGETATION RATHER THAN A SOME KIND OF GATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, THAT AREA WILL CHANGE.

I WAS TALKING WITH ONE RESIDENT. WE WERE TALKING DOWN THIS IN AREA AS WELL. THERE'S NO OPENING OF THIS PORTION OF COLUMBUS STREET NOR ACCESS FROM THAT EITHER SO THE FOLKS THAT ARE ABOVE THAT OR NORTH OF THAT WON'T BE IMPACTED BY THAT AS WELL. BUT IF THERE IS ANY ISSUE WITH VISUAL OR WHATEVER, THE CLIENT HAS AGREED THEY WILL PUT FENCING ALONG THIS IF NEEDED. JUST FOR, JUST A BRIEF DISCUSSION OF THE TRAFFIC DUVAL STREET IS NORTH.

ST. JOHNS STREET ONLY GOES SOUTH.

SO ANOTHER REASON FOR THIS CHANGE WAS TO WHEN YOU COME INTO HERE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GO BACK OUT AND USE THAT TWO-WAY TRAFFIC SYSTEM TO GET TO ST. JOHNS AND BACK SO THE LOOP SYSTEM WILL GO LIKE THIS TO GO NORTH AND SOUTH.

JUST SOME PICTURES OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING NORTH AND THAT IS THE SULLIVAN CALHOUN CENTER. YOU CAN REALLY SEE THE BALL FIELDS AREA THEY HAVE. YOU CAN SEE THE EASEMENT AS WELL AND THE RAILROAD. YOU GET ON THIS ONE, DEFINITELY AND WHEN I DID, WHEN WE DID MEET WITH COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

WE DISCUSSED HAVING ACCESS FOR KIDS TO GO THROUGH.

THERE IS A FOOTBALL FIELD AND WILL GET WITH THE COUNTY ON BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT. THERE'S EVEN A POSSIBILITY FOR ANOTHER EMERGENCY ACCESS JUST DEPENDING ON WHAT CAN BE WORKED OUT. BUT YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE SO ALL THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE ON THIS PORTION OF THE SITE.

AND THIS PORTION OF THE SITE WILL PRETTY MUCH REMAIN.

THERE WILL BE SOME RETENTION AREAS IN THERE IF NEEDED.

KIND OF ALSO SHOWS THE SAME KIND OF VISUAL THAT SHOWS YOU A LITTLE BIT GETTING CLOSE TO THEIR COMMUNITY.

THIS IS THEIR EXISTING COMMUNITY THAT AGAIN WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO IMPACT AND THE ONE GENTLEMEN THAT HAS HIS ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT ANDERSON STREET AS WELL.

JUST SOME PICTURES. JUST TO SHOW YOU DUVAL STREET ACROSS FROM THIS SITE AND THE POSTED SIGN.

WHAT THE AREA LOOKS LIKE. SO AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 106, 52 SINGLE-FAMILY AND 54 TOWN HOMES AND I'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS TO MEET THAT ATTAINABLE.

AND IT IS NICE THAT IT IS IN AN AREA THAT HAS LOTS OF PUBLIC USES. SCHOOLS, PARKS AND ALL SORTS OF ACCESS TO BOTH KING STREETG AND THE 207 CORRIDOR.

THREW THESE IN. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW THEY KIND OF WHAT THEY PLAN TO BUILD FOR THEIR TOWN HOMES, AND THIS IS A DUPLEX BUT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE TOWN HOME KIND OF WOULD LOOK AT AND THEY ARE ONE CAR GARAGE, THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH UNITS IS THE MINIMUM THEY

>> AND EVERYTHING IS DEFINITELY COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.

AND WE ALSO HAD TO THE SAINT AUGUSTINE SIERRA GROUP.

THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT THIS AS WELL.

WE FEEL LIKE IT WILL BE A GOOD THING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS

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WELL.

AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES ÃÃA COMPANY TO PLAN AND EVERYTHING WILL MEET THE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDING ALL THE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS. WITH THAT, WE DID GET AND RECEIVE MASS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FROM THE PCA AND WE ARE REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL TODAY.

WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOT BILLY AND KRISTA BACK ME UP.

>> QUESTION FOR MS. TAYLOR? YES SIR.

>> MS. TAYLOR, 54 TOWN HOUSING PRICED DISCUSSION THE SUN.> THE 43 WILL BE.> 43 IS THE 40 PERCENT OF THE HUNDRED AND

SIX. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ALL OF THEM WILL BE AT ONCE.

THEY CANNOT GET THERE. THEY'RE NOT THAT FAR DOWN THE ROAD. AND I THINK THAT WE MADE A MANSION TO ANOTHER, OR MAYBE NOT TO YOU OR WHATEVER.

KIND OF HOW THINGS COME IN. AS TO HOW THAT WILL WORK OUT.

THE MINIMUM ÃÃTO BE 43. >> I'M AWARE OF THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. I FEEL LIKE WE HAD OUR CONVERSATION IN THE OFFICE. THERE WAS SOME INDICATION THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ATTEMPT TO GET THOSE TOWNHOMES.

>> THERE WILL BE AGAIN, BUT WE CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT AT THIS

POINT.OME OF THEM. >> CLEAR ENOUGH.

>> AT ONE POINT, I MAY NOT OF MADE ÃÃTHE MIXTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN WE WERE IN THIS KIND OF SITUATION OR WHEN YOU'RE NOT IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD TO HAVE A BALANCE OF THE TWO.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHY YOUR CODE DOES THAT.

AGAIN, IN THIS SITUATION, THINK THEY WILL TRY TO MAKE HIS MONEY

AND Ã¦ >> LIMIT BUT AN ABSTRACT ON THE REMARKS FOR EVERYONE. ON A PROGRAM THAT WE STARTED IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE CEILING IS 240,000 DOWN FOR THIS WAS 43 UNITS. FURTHERMORE LAST WEEK, I SAW IN THE MOST RECENT REPORT ON IMMEDIATE PRESSING FOR HOUSING ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FROM FEBRUARY TO MARCH 425,460 SET 7000.

16 PERCENT INCREASE IN, TO THE MEDIAN COST OF THE HOME.

467 IT IS NOW. I THINK THIS IS THE KIND OF THING, WE AS A COMMISSION TO GIVE HEAVY ANSWERS TO TO PROVIDE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO THOSE WHO COME AND WORK IN BOTH THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE CENTER JUST CANNOT AFFORD A FOUR TO $500,000 HOME. THEY GO.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ÃÃIS THERE A MOTION ON? PUBLIC COMMENT ON SEVEN? CUSTOMÁ YES MA'AM. PNEUMONITIS FOR THE RECORD

PLEASE? >> MY NAME IS RACHEL. LOVE 812 COOKER STREET JUST WEST OF THIS PROJECT.

I JUST WANT TO SHARE A LITTLE VIDEO OF WHAT MY CHILDREN HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ENJOY. ON COOPER STREET JUST AS WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR 19 YEARS PARTICULARLY QUITE TRUE.

VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC. 17 RESIDENTIAL HOMES ON THE STREET. AND SEVEN ON ALEXANDER PURCHASED THE OTHER SIDE. ALL CLOSED CIRCUIT AND WE PURCHASED IT. I CAN'T TAMMY TIMES WE HAVE SAID I LOVE LIVING HERE BECAUSE NOBODY COMES BACK HERE UNLESS THEY LIVE HERE. THERE IS NO THROUGH TRAFFIC.

AND I CAN ENJOY THIS WITH MY CHILDREN SO, I APPRECIATE THE REASSURANCE THAT I HAVE HEARD TODAY IN HIS PROPOSED EMERGENCY AT THE HEAD OF THIS PROJECT. WILL REMAIN JUST THAT.

NOT A THOROUGHFARE.BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT GATE OR WHAT THAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE BECAUSE I'VE SEEN A LOT OF EMERGENCY VEHICLE EXITS BEING USED PRETTY CASUALLY.

AND YOU KNOW, THE POSSIBILITY OF FOOTHILL TRAFFIC FLOWING.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF IMPACT DOES THIS ALSO AT THE END OF COLUMBUS, THERE IS REALLY A STRAIGHT LINE THERE. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO QUESTION AS TO WHAT IS TO BE LEFT OF THE NATURAL BARRIER THAT IS EXISTING THERE TODAY, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NYONE ELSE THE PUBLIC

COMMENT? >> YES MA'AM?

>> PJ COLLATING. EXCUSE ME.

SAINT AUGUSTINE IN THE CITY LIMITS IN THE COUNTY.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS AS YOU HAVE MISSED TAYLOR, A PICTURE OF WHAT THE FAMILY ÃÃTHE HOMES ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

NOT JUST TOWNHOUSES. AND COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST

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ASKED. HIS ON THE RECORD NOW THAT THERE WILL BE 43 WORKFORCE HOUSING HOUSING OF SOME KIND THAT HAS TO BE THERE NO MATTER HOW YOU SEE THINGS COMING IN? OU SEE THINGS COMING IN AND PEOPLE WANT TOWNHOUSES? ARE WE GONNA SAY TODAY THAT THERE WILL BE 43 WORKFORCE 240 HOUSES FOR TOWNHOUSES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE COMING TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. I'M A LITTLE BIT HAZY AND WHAT THE ANSWER WAS. IF IT?

THANK YOU. >> I THINK THE APPLICANT SAID 43 AT A MINIMUM. DID I MISSPEAK?

THANK YOU. >> AND BEALS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?AY NONE. YES.

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> CHRISTINA DEVELOP AT 11 I CALLED ALEXANDER. I'VE CONTENDS THAT MY NEIGHBOR HAS. MOVEMENT BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THERE IS TREES AND HAWKS AND THERE IS A REASON WHY BELIEVE THE PREVIEW NOTE THING? SO, I HAD THE SAME CONCERNS OF ACCESSIBILITY LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD. ETC. ESPECIALLY SINCE THE INFRASTRUCTURE ITSELF WILL SUPPORT ANY SUCH KIND OF THING.

THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING. OBVIOUSLY EMERGENCY VEHICLES IS GOOD AND NECESSARY BIT OF MONEY OPPOSITION TO THAT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN ACCIDENTALLY USE THAT AS AN ENTRANCE OR EXIT WHETHER IT'S A GATED OR A GATE THAT WOULD GATHER.

AND ALSO, LEVEL THE TREE LINE. IT CREATES A NATIONAL BARRIER.

OF COURSE, THE MIGHT WANT TO BE A BEHIND THAT.

BUT THAT NATURAL BARRIER IS NICE.

AND FOR ME, IF THERE IS TREES ON AN AREA, IT INCREASES THE VALUE OF THE PLACE. EVEN THE IT'S EASIER TO CLEAR-CUT LAND. OBVIOUSLY WHEN THE BUILDING SOMETHING. IT DOES CREATE A MORE BEAUTIFUL ENVIRONMENT FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN AND YOU KNOW, FOR BIRDS AND ANIMALS AND KIDS TO PLAY. I USED TO PLAY IN THE TREES ALL THE TIME. ANYWAY, THAT'S MELLOW, AND I THINK ÃÃTHANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> 90.

>> WITH ANYBODY ELSE LIKE? PUBLIC, AT THIS TIME? SAY NONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON

AGENDA ITEM 7. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON THE RECORD THAT YES, AT LEAST 43 UNITS OUT OF THE 106 WILL BE FOR THAT. WE WERE STRIVING FOR MORE THAN THAT. BUT IT PROBABLY WILL NOT BE ALL THE TOWNHOUSES. SO, IF I MADE THAT TO MAKE SURE WITH THAT. AND ALSO I HAVE TALKED WITH THE RESIDENTS AS WELL. WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND MAKE THAT EMERGENCY ENTRANCE EXIT. AS MICAH SAID, SO IT WORKS FOR ANY EMERGENCY VEHICLES COMING IN FIRE AND THAT TYPE OF THING OR PEOPLE GETTING OUT IF THE OTHER ENTRANCE HAS A PROBLEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S SUGGESTION ABOUT THAT THROUGH THE SOLOMON CALHOUN MAY ACTUALLY HELP US WITH SOME OF THAT.

BUT AGAIN, THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING MORE VEGETATION TYPE THINGS THAT YOU CAN KNOCK DOWN AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

BUT, WE DON'T HAVE THE DESIGN AT THIS POINT.

AND IT'S NOT A PUD. WE ARE ALSO NOT CLEARING ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE ALONG THE PART OF COLUMBUS THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE ONE LADIES LOT. BECAUSE IT IS NOT JUST AS WE ARE NOT OPENING THAT ROADWAY. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE THOSE DUST

IS ALL RIGHT, THANKS. >> REALLY GET ON THE RECORD MISSED TAYLOR. LET ME MAKE SURE AS YOU SAID, YOU GUARANTEED 43 AT LEAST OF THE HUNDRED AND SIX QUOTE.

FOR WHATEVER REASON ÃÃIT ONLY BUILDS 50.

WILL BE 20? AFFORDABLE UNITS?

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. >> I HONESTLY DON'T.

I DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION OF JUST BUILDING A PORTION OF

THEM. >> AND I YOU DON'T HAVE AN

INTENTION. >> I KNOW.

I'M ASKING ÃÃIT JUST STRUCK ME WHEN YOU SAID OF THE HUNDRED

AND SIX, AT LEAST 43. >> YES, THE 40 PERCENT PER.

>> I UNDERSTAND. AND NOW MY QUESTION WAS IF YOU ONLY BILLED 50 DOCTORS. GOING TO DO 20 UNITS, NOT 43?

>> THAT WOULD BE 40 PERCENT TO 50.

>> THUS, THAT WOULD BE TRUE. >> THE CAME IN WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS 50. YES.

>> TALKED ABOUT THE INTENT. YES.

>> I'M JUST CHECKING. YES, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER?

>> WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THREE MINUTES?

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>> YES. >> THREE MINUTES.

SO, THREE MINUTES. >> NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE?> NATE GOLDBERGER. I LIVE ON COOPER STREET.

AND I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

ON THE PROPERTY. ADJACENT TO US.

AND I'M JUST A LITTLE UNCLEAR ABOUT THE EMERGENCY USE OUT THERE. IS IT GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE? I DON'T HAVE A GOOD GRIP ON THAT AS FAR AS IS A GATED? OR IS IT LANDSCAPED? THAT'S KIND OF MY QUESTION.

YES SIR, THANK YOU. >> MR. SHERIFF I COULD, I HAVE SOME JUSTICE MISSED TAYLOR, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A DESIGN AT THE TIME. HE GIVE US THE POSSIBLE OPTIONS? DID THE NEIGHBORS RAISE A GOOD POINT. MOST PEOPLE DO THE RIGHT THING.

THE MIGHT BE SOME PEOPLE WHO USE IT AS THEIR OWN PERSONAL ACCESS. AND WE KEEP THIS PEOPLE ON THIS? I UNDERSTAND.

>> I DID TALK TO THE CIVIL ENGINEERING.

HE SAYS IT WILL BE GATED. IT HAS TO BE GATED.

>> SOMEBODY NEEDED KEY? >> THE EMERGENCY TYPE OF THINGS ÃÃTHEY HAVE THE ABILITY. THEY REGISTER IT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WHATEVER. IN ORDER FOR USE OF THAT.

SO, THAT IS MORE OR LESS PROBABLY YOU KNOW, COMING IN RATHER THAN GOING OUT. WHO KNOWS HOW THAT'S GOING TO FUNCTION. WE WANT TO DO THE STOCK TYPE THING EITHER. WE WILL ALSO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL VEGETATION TWO. THE ONLY NEEDED FOR ONE WAY.

IT'S ABOUT 10 FEET AND WITH THAT TYPE OF THING AND AGAIN, IT HAS TO BE STABILIZED. I CAN EASILY BE GRASSED OR WHATEVER. SO EVEN LEADING UP TO THE GATE OR BACK OUT OF THE GATE. THAT PORTION CAN BE GRASSED.

>> POTENTIALLY, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE A SENSOR OR SENSOR WOULD ALLOW THEM TO GET IN.

>> THEY WORK WITH THESE PER. >> WHAT ABOUT NEIGHBORS AND SAID THE COMMUNITY TO GET OUT? DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SENSOR?

>> THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF THING AS WELL.

>> AGAIN, I REALIZE IT HAS NO DESIGN.

>> I DON'T KNOW ALL THE SPECIFICS OF IT.

BUT I KNOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF WAY TO UNLOCK IT FROM EACH SIDE. BUT, ON THE BIG COMMUNITIES THAT I HAVE TALKED ÃÃTHEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF LOG THING FOR.

THIS WHILE THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

THIS WILL HAVE SOME BUDDY KIND OF IN CHARGE.

SO THAT IF THERE IS CERTAIN ISSUES OR WHATEVER IN BEING ABLE TO BYPASS THAT. IT HAS TO BE.

BUT NOT FOR AN INDIVIDUAL. >> OKAY.

>> WALKER? >> YES MISSED TAYLOR.

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A CONCERN THAT JUST THE RESIDENTS I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED, THE CLARIFY WILL NOT BE BLOCKED OFF TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC ABOUT PEDESTRIANS?

PEOPLE ON FOOT? >> IT WILL BE FENCED WHEN I MET WITH YOU. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT INTERCONNECTIVITY FOR KIDS AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

I'M GETTING THE SENSE THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY ADJACENT TO IT WANTS.

T SOME POINT. IF IT'S GATED, IT WILL NOT BE.

>> IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THEM BECAUSE WE DID SPEAK ABOUT THAT. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE.

SO, I KNOW SOME OF THE PROCEDURES TO THIS.> AND THAT'S GOING TO KIND OF DEVELOP OVER TIME AS DEPENDING ON THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. HE WOULD CERTAINLY KIND OF MARKET STABILITY GO BACK AND FORTH.

BUT, I KIND OF TALKED TO THEM BEFORE AND THEY ARE NOT VERY INTERESTED IN THAT.> OKAY. THAT WOULD INCLUDE CLOSING OF PEDESTRIAN FOOT TRAFFIC AS WELL?

THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> WE ARE READY FOR EMOTION? >> YES SIR MR. CHAIR.

I WANT TO WITH THIS. I WANT TO SAY THAT I'M FOR.

AS CLOSE TO THE TOWN AND JOBS. NOT ADDING ANY SCHOOL BUS ROUTES. YOU'RE NOT ADDING THE CLOSE RECREATION, WHICH IS GREAT. THE CRA'S UNIT, KIND OF GIVING THE SAMPLE OF APPROPRIATE WHICH IS GREAT.

WE DO NEED THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING AND WOMAN WENT WITH

[8. ARPA Nonprofit Grant Program. Based on feedback received from the public and in accordance with ARPA guidelines, staff is bringing a nonprofit grant program proposal to the Board for consideration. The program would redirect funds not allocated in Phase 2 and could involve coordinating with an outside partner to manage the program.]

THAT, ICONIC PICTURE OF BEING CLOSE TO THE FACILITIES.

I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT 2022 ¦

>> 31. >> APPROVING REZONING 2021SS0.

SPANISH FORCE BASED ON THE FINDINGS AS PROVIDED IN THE

STAFF REPORT. >> ARE, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM

THE SECOND. >> THAT PASSES 50.

OKAY. I THINK THAT PUTS US TO NUMBER EIGHT. AND THAT WOULD BE THE ARPA

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FUNDING. ARPA NONPROFIT GRANT.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. COMMISSIONERS.

I AM BACK TODAY TO TALK ABOUT SOME ARPA FUNDING.

AND WE'RE GOING TO JUMP RIGHT IN.

FIRST, I WANT TO JUST REMIND YOU AND PROVIDE YOU THE BACKGROUND OF WHY WE HAVE SPENT OUR FUNDS WERE YOU HAVE ALLOCATED THE FUNDS THUS FAR. IT COMES TO 24.2 MILLION.

AND IF WE WANT TO ALSO GO AHEAD AND KEEP IN MIND THE 7.7 OR THE SCHOOL. IT WOULD COME TO A TOTAL OF 31.9 MILLION. AT THIS MOMENT.

BY APRIL 5 ÃIS THE BOARD MEETING JUST AS WE ALLOCATED MONEY ÃÃWE ALLOCATED 2.2 FOR HOME AGAIN.

AND PRIOR TO THAT, THAT WAS PART OF PART OF THE $6 MILLION YEAR P. PART OF THAT MONEY WAS REPURPOSED FOR THIS DISH MENTIONED IN THE MEETING THAT A PHASE 3 COULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDING A NONPROFIT PROGRAM. AS MENTIONED AROUND 4¥ MILLION. IF YOU TAKE THE 6 MILLION ÃÃ TAKE OUT THE HOME AGAIN. AS PART OF THE NONPROFITS.

WE WERE PROGRAM OF 7.7 MILLION. AGAIN, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF EXCLUDE WHAT WE FOR ABOUT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND HOW WE CAN UTILIZE ARPA IN THE COMMUNITY.

>> WE BEGAN WORKING WITH UNITED WAY AT YOUR DIRECTION TO DISCUSS HOW THEY MIGHT ASSIST IN ADMINISTERING A NONPROFIT PROGRAM. UNITED WAY EXPRESSED AS EXPORT AND CONFIDENCE FOR THE PROGRAM AND MELISSA IS HERE TO SPEAK IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. COMPUTE THE PRESENTATION JUST AS SHE WILL BE HAPPY. AND OUR DISCUSSIONS JUST AS WE REALIZE THAT UNITED WAY IS ONE OF THE ONLY AGENCIES IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY THAT IS FAMILIAR WITH ST. JOHN COUNTY NONPROFITS. ADMINISTERING GRANT PROGRAMS, DISPUTING THE FUNDS SO THAT THE FULL LIFECYCLE OF A GRANT PROGRAM TO ASSIST IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS, THERE WAS ALSO A PROPOSAL FOR 10 PERCENT ADMINISTRATION RATE RATIO.

AND JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE TYPICALLY THESE TYPE OF ARRANGEMENTS, THERE'S A STEERING COMMITTEE THAT WOULD BE ESTABLISHED. SOMEONE OR ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE BOARD Ã THIS ONE COUNTY STAFF MEMBER.

SEVERAL UNITED WAY STAFF AND ALSO COMMUNITY LEADERS.

THAT STEERING COMMITTEE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING APPLICATIONS AND RECOMMENDING THE FUNDING AMOUNTS.

SHOULD YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WOULD BE READY TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH UNITED WAY TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF THEIR INTERESTS OF BEING A SUB RECIPIENT.

IT WOULD BE A SUB RECIPIENT OF THE COUNTY ARPA FUNDS.

THEY WOULD ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM FROM START TO FINISH ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY. I'M HAPPY TO INVITE MELISSA.

>> LOOKS LIKE AN ALLOCATION TO 8.8 ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.

THERE WAS 7.7. LEFT IN THE GRANT PROGRAM.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? >> MY APOLOGIES FOR FAILING TO NOTE THAT. THIS WOULD INCLUDE THE 10 PERCENT AND UNITED WAY ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.

AND ALSO WE INCLUDE EACH TIME WE DO A MOTION IS JUST THE FIVE PERCENT ADMINISTRATIVE COST FOR THE COUNTY.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR PUBLIC COMMENTS?

>> THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC, AND AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. IF ANYBODY WISHES TO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

CUSTOMÁ GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER DEVEREAUX. I LIVE AT 1725 CASTILLE STREET.

SAINT AUGUSTINE. I WORK FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. AND I'M REPRESENTING MY BOSS, MELINDA EVERSON WAS ABLE TO COME HERE THIS AFTERNOON.

WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE COUNTY FOR THE LONG GOING AND THE CONTINUOUS SUPPORT.

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THE COUNTY HAS OFFERED TO SAINT AUGUSTINE.O HABITAT OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. AS YOU KNEW, THE SOLE REASON IS TO BUILD AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING.

AND THE COUNTY RECENTLY REZONED AND APPROVED THE REZONING OF OUR PROPERTY ON NORTH FALLUJA STREET FOR 36 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS ON WORKFORCE HOUSING. WE HAVE NOW EMBARKED UPON THE DESIGN OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS PROJECT.

AND HAVE COME UP WITH AN INITIAL BUDGET OF 1.2 MILLION FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. ROADS, SEWER, AND WATER.

AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SOLICIT THE COUNTY'S CONSIDERATION OF GRANTING SOME ARPA FUNDS TOWARDS THE CUSP OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

T IS OUR GOAL AN ABSOLUTE COMMITMENT TO BUILD AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING, WHICH MEETS THE $240,000 ON THE COST OF SUCH HOUSES. WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU AND TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR

CONSIDERATION OF THIS. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONER.

MY NAME IS VICKI PEPPER AND I LIVE ON THE ARPA BUSINESS CIRCLE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. I'M A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY ADVOCATES. THEY ADVOCATE $270 MILLION FROM ARPA FUNDING FROM A 15 PROPOSED INTO A SINGULAR HOUSE FOR CARE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE. ON APRIL 5. TO PROVE HOME AGAIN ST. JOHN'S FOR 2.82 MILLION. IN PHASE 2 TO THIS FUNDING FROM HER HOME AGAIN PERMANENT LOCATION SHOULD GO A LONG WAY.

MAKING WHOLE AGAIN AFTER THE COUNTY HAD EVICTED THIS NGO PROVIDING VITAL SERVICES TO THE HOME AND ITS LONG-TERM LOCATION IN THE STATE ROUTE 207 LAST FALL.

HOWEVER, YOUR MARCH 15 DECISION TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY'S NEED FOR NEW COMPUTER SYSTEM IN THE WORLD BUDGET $56 MILLION BUDGET FOR NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITIES HIT HARDEST BY THE PANDEMIC.

THEY CANNOT AWAIT PHASE 3. AND THAT LEAVES $3.7 MILLION AFTER THE ALLOCATION TO GET APPROVED. APRIL 5. EPICURE, ONE OF THE LARGEST AND'S GEO FOOD DISTRIBUTORS IN THE COUNTY NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGION SUPPLYING 50 PERCENT OF THE FOOD DISTRIBUTED IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

IT'S A RISK ÃÃIS AN ONGOING RISK OF EVICTION FROM ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY WAREHOUSE? A LOCAL BUSINESSMAN, WHO BELIEVES IN THE MISSION OFFERED A BELOW-MARKET PRICE.O SUPPORT THE NGOS EFFORTS. IT'S UNCLEAR OF HOW LONG THIS PROPERTY WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE TO EPICURE.

EPICURE NEEDS $2.7 MILLION TO SECURE THIS WAREHOUSE, WHICH WILL ENABLE IT TO SUSTAIN AND EXPAND ITS OPERATIONS FOR FORESEEABLE FUTURE.T YOUR APRIL 5 MEETING, WE TASK STAFF TO INITIATE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FOR BOOSTING THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING AND PRIORITIZING CERTAIN ARPA.

THE FUNDING REQUESTS AND REQUESTERS.

LTHOUGH IT WAS VERY UNCLEAR FROM THAT MEETING AND EVEN TODAY, WHICH REQUESTS UNDER WHAT GUIDELINES ARE TO BE SUBJECT AS TO YET, VAGUELY DEFINED PROCESS.

THE CARE RECOGNIZES THAT THE UNITED WAYS HAS PROCESS AND SPECIFIC EXPERIENCE IN CERTAIN TYPES OF NGO REQUEST AND DISTURBING FUNDING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT PROCESS.

IT'S ALSO EQUALLY CLEAR THAT SOME TYPES OF ARPA FUNDING REQUEST ARE LIKELY TO BENEFIT FROM NOT VERY MINIMAL A PROCESS. LIKE THE VOCATIONAL SCHOOL WE JUST HEARD ABOUT. WE SUBMIT THAT ONE TIME UNIQUE CAPITOL EXPENDITURE AND TIME SENSITIVE CIRCUMSTANCES SUCH AS THOSE BY EPICURE IS ANOTHER. DUE DILIGENCE REQUIRES THE COUNTY TO SATISFY ITSELF AND ITS FINANCIALLY SOUND AND HAS A BUSINESS PLAN. OTHER STEPS COULD BE TAKEN TO PROTECT THE INVESTMENT OF SIGNIFICANT TAXPAYER DOLLARS PER FOR EXAMPLE, AN APPROPRIATE VISIONARY CLAUSE IN A DEED.

FAILURE TO JUST EPICURE'S AND URGENT FOR WAREHOUSE.

LOSING THIS VITAL CAPACITY FOR OUR COUNTY.

PLEASE TAKE THE PROPOSAL DAY-TO-DAY WITH RESPECT AND A $2.7 MILLION UP DOLLARS IN THE COUNTY'S DEFINITIONAL TERM TO

EXPLORE. >> THINK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

I APPRECIATE IT. >> BJ CULLEY CITY OF SAINT

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AUGUSTINE.

WAS GLAD THAT THERE WAS SOME CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE E .8 VERSUS 7.7. HERE'S MY SUGGESTION.

ON THE FIRST LITTLE CIRCLE THAT WAS PRESENTED BY MR. HUNTER, WE HAD A FIVE PERCENT ADMINISTRATION COSTS.

NOW, WE ARE UP TO 10 PERCENT FOR THE UNITED WAY TO RUN THIS THING. AND FIVE PERCENT FOR HORRY COUNTY. UNDERSTAND THIS.

AND THERE IS A MISS SHUMAN, WHO HAS BEEN HIRED AS AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT ON THIS. IS SHE GONNA BE PART OF THIS MONEY THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN FROM AND GIVEN TO THE NONPROFITS TO RUN THIS PROGRAM? A COUNTY STAFF ÃÃWHO IS THAT? UNITED WAY'S MS. NELSON. MANY PEOPLE ARE WE IMPAIR THEIR? THE COMMUNITY LEADERS PRODUCING TO PICK THE COMMUNITY LEADERS? ARE THEY GONNA BE FROM THE NONPROFITS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING TO THESE MEETINGS FOR OF THE 2/22 MEETING IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT? THERE ARE TOO MANY QUESTIONS ON THIS.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE TAKEN FROM THIS POT OF ARPA MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. LECTURE NUMBER FOLKS.

EVERYBODY TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS ONE.

IT'S OUR TAX DOLLARS. IT MAY NOT BE ON THE LOCAL LEVEL, BUT IT'S ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND ITS OUR MONEY.

HOW TO BE SPENT FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT NEED THIS.

NOT THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. THESE CSTS ARE GOING HIGHER AND HIGHER. AS DIFFERENT PEOPLE COME IN HERE AND YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN THE JOB TO THE UNITED WAY.

FINE. THEY SHOULD DO IT FOR FIVE PERCENT. THEY ARE QUALIFIED.HEY'VE DONE THIS KIND OF STUFF BEFORE NATURE THIS IS NOT AND MONEY IS NOT BEING PUT TO THE ADMINISTRATION. AM GOING TO GET WITH MR. JUSTICE MR. JESSE.

R. JESSE ON THE FINANCING OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

YOU'VE GOT ONE HERE AND ONE THERE AND WHEN THEY'RE NOT AND THEY COME IN AT DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO, I THINK WE NEED MORE CLARIFICATION BEFORE WE START GIVING AWAY MONEY TO SOMEONE WHO IS NOT CONNECTED WITH THIS COUNTY.

THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE CLARIFICATION ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS AND HOW YOU ARE SPENDING THIS MONEY.

AND THE CIRCLE TONIGHT WITH THE FIRST CIRCLE WAS THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO GET FIVE PERCENT UNLESS THEY DID NOT SAY. WE ALL CLEARLY.

I THINK IT WAS FIVE PERCENT. SO, LET'S WORK THIS DEAL OUT.

THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE CLARIFICATION BEFORE YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THIS ARP NONPROFIT GRANT PROGRAM TODAY.

AND I APPRECIATE MISS SARAH HAS A LOT TO DO.

THANKS. >> THANK YOU.

NYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? SING ON, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ALL RIGHT.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. I GUESS PARTIALLY IN RESPONSE TO BJ ASKED. I THINK IT WAS MY INTENTION OR IS MY INTENTION TO ASK SARAH ARNOLD, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD TO SERVE AS THE CHAIR OF THIS ADVISORY OR TASK FORCE OR.

QWEST STEERING COMMITTEE, YES. >> WHATEVER IT IS.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO SERVE WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF MY FELLOW MEMBERS. OBVIOUSLY, SHE HAS MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH NONPROFITS COMMUNITY SERVICE VOLUNTEER WORK. UNITED WAY.

I COULD GO ON, BUT NONETHELESS, DIFFERENT CHOICE.

I WILL LEAVE IT UP TO THE STAFF TO DETERMINE AND WORK WITH UNITED WAY IF THIS IS PRUDENT TO DETERMINE THE MAKEUP OF THE REMAINING NUMBERS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SIGN OFF UNLESS Y'ALL WANT TO. I THINK WE CAN LEAVE IT UP TO STAFF AND ASSUMING THIS GOES FORWARD.

MRS. NELSON. ALONG WITH SARAH'S INPUT.

PROVIDE FOR THE TASK FORCE OR ADVISORY BOARD OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT?

>> THOSE DETAILS WILL BE WORKED OUT LATER IN A SUB RECIPIENT AGREEMENT. WHICH WOULD CUT BACK TO YOU.

AS A FORM FOR APPROVAL. AND A CONSENT AGENDA.

AND AT THAT TIME, IT WOULD BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND STEERING COMMITTEE AND ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.

OF UNITED WAY'S RESPONSIBILITY IN THE COUNTY'S

RESPONSIBILITIES. >> YOU STOLE THE COMMENT?

>> I DO. YES.

>> FORTUNATELY, I DO MR. CHAIRMAN.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES FALLEN TO 7.7 MILLION. YOU KNOW, TO BUILD IN $1.1 BILLION IN ADMINISTRATIVE FEES SEEMS LIKE A LOT TO ME GIVEN THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF FUNDS. AND THAT WE HAVE WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS WITH THESE FUNDS. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I THINK IT'S SMART IF WE ARE TRYING TO INCORPORATE ALL THE FEES INTO

THE 7.7 MILLION. >> OKAY, MATT, YOU OFFER AN

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AMENDMENT? IF TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET

THERE FROM THERE. >> SURE.

I WOULD MOVE TO ALLOCATE THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDING IN THE FORM OF $7.7 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 2022 BUDGET FOR A NONPROFIT PROGRAM AUTHORIZED THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR DOESN'T NEED TO NEGOTIATE A SUB RECIPIENT AGREEMENT WITH UNITED WAY. TO ADMINISTER THE NONPROFIT PROGRAM AND TREASURERS GUIDELINES.

>> I SUGGEST WE DISCUSS WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT.

>> WE HAVE TO INCLUDE WHATEVER TAKE WOULD BE FROM UNITED WAY.

ND STAFF. AND I TRUST MELISSA NELSON WHEN SHE SAID IN OUR LAST MEETING THAT WHATEVER MONEY IS NOT USED FOR ADMIN, IT WOULD TURN BACK INTO THE PROGRAMS. I BELIEVE HER. BUT EVEN THA WITH STANDING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SORT OF THE AMOUNT.> I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. ONE I DON'T WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER. WITH THAT SAID, DOES EVERYONE UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENT? THAT WE WILL VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT? PLEASE VOTE.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN. THE AMENDMENTS ARE NOT PROPER UNTIL THERE WAS A SECOND. I DID NOT HEAR AND I APOLOGIZE PRECRISIS OF A SECOND. AN AMENDMENT AND I SECOND THAT.

WE WILL VOTE ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

PLEASE VOTE. >> THAT PASSES 4Ä.

SO, LET'S VOTE ON THE MAIN MOTION.

WHICH IS NOT BEEN AMENDED TO YOUR NUMBER.

SUGGESTION NUMBER. >> ANYTHING ELSE?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. WHAT YOU JUST APPROVED WAS AMENDING THE MOTION. SO NOW THE AMENDED MOTION STILL HAS TO BE VOTED ON. TO SEE IF YOU TEST TEST PLEASE

VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION. >> AND THAT PASSES 5Ä.

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, GOOD LUCK.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> WE WANT TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS DONE WELL. APPROXIMATE FUTURE, IF I MAY, JUST FOR A MOMENT. JUST TO, AND ARPA FOR SECOND.

PRIMARILY FOR THE BOARD WHILE YOU'RE HERE TOGETHER.

PRETTY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND NO CONFUSION.

THERE IS NO EXPECTATION UNLESS WE ARE DIRECTED BY THIS BOARD.

[9. First Reading of Amendments to Utility Ordinance and Presentation on Updates to the Utility Standards Manual and Capital Improvement Plan. In 2013, the County adopted Ordinance No. 2013-13, updating the St. Johns County Utility Ordinance. Subsequently, in 2016, the County adopted Ordinance No. 2016-45, consolidating the Main System and Ponte Vedra System into a single enterprise fund, but maintaining two divisions. The proposed ordinance (attached) amends, restates, consolidates, supplements, and replaces these ordinances in order to (1) complete the consolidation of the Main System and Ponte Vedra Systems under one cover, (2) set uniform requirements for users of St. Johns County Utilities; (3) update the provision of the Utility Ordinance in compliance with the changes to the Safe Drinking Water Act (42 U.S.C. 300f et seq.), the Clean Water Act (33 U.S.C. 1251 et seq.), other applicable federal and State laws and regulations, and the County’s Land Development Code; and (4) provide for the public health and welfare by regulating the quality of potable water supplied by the County’s Water Systems to its customers, and wastewater collected by the County’s Wastewater Systems, as well as to provide policies and cost recovery for the use of County’s Reclaimed Water Systems. The ordinance also proposes to set forth the applicable rates, fees, and charges in a separate rate tariff, to be adopted by resolution. In this agenda item, staff will preview the proposed rate tariff, as well as updates to the Utilities standards manual and the capital improvement plan for the Department.]

TO BRING BACK ANY MORE NONPROFIT FUNDING.

THIS IS CONCLUSIVE THAT THIS COURT IS DIRECTED TO TURN OVER THE UNITED WAY. WHEN YOU SEE A PHASE 36ÅÄ2 MONTHS OUT FROM NOW. IT WILL NOT INCLUDE ADDITIONAL NONPROFIT FUNDING AND MUSTERS DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD.

I WILL NOT BE COLLECTED FROM TODAY.

THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AS I DID, THE MEMBERS OF STEP TWO.

THAT WILL BE OUR RESPONSE AS DIRECTED BY THE BOARD.

THE NONPROFIT FUNDING HAS BEEN ALLOCATED BY THE BOARD IN PHASE

3 IS UNDER WAY. >> WE GOT IT.> COLIN, SCULLIN IN THE BUILDING? COLIN IS HERE.

NUMBER NINE.

[LAUGHTER] >> :DRAFT UTILITY DIRECTIVE.

THANKS FOR WAITING AROUND. T'S GETTING LATE.

THE LAST TIME THE UTILITY SUPERVISOR WAS ABOUT NINE YEARS AGO. AND IT'S ABOUT TIME WE RISE AGAIN. WE ARE LOOKING AT SEVERAL ITEMS. I'M NOT GONNA GO IN DEPTH WITH ALL OF YOUR VISIONS AND ORDINANCE.

MAINLY WE HAVE TO UPDATE THE ORDINANCE TO MATCH THE NEW FEDERAL REGULATIONS AND STATE REGULATIONS.

WE UPDATE OUR ORDINANCE TO MATCH THOSE.

SOME OF THE KEY POINTS WE ARE DOING IS RIGHT NOW, THE RIGHT PEOPLE'S WHERE THEY HAVE THE ORDINANCE.

OR DOES IT CHANGE AS YOU CAN TELL.

IT HAS BEEN NINE YEARS. WE WANTED AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. MORE TRANSPARENT PREPARE RESOLUTION, ADDING SOME CLEAR LANGUAGE FOR SOME AGREEMENTS THAT ARE DONE ÃTHIS IS NOT VERY CLEAR RIGHT NOW.

PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST CHANGES WE ARE MAKING IN THE ORDINANCE IS ALL THE RECLAIMED WATER USED IN LANGUAGE INTO THE ORDINANCE.ND WE WANT TO REQUIRE 1/3 PIPE IN ANY SUBDIVISION WITHIN ANY LAW OR TWO ACRES THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE MANDATORY AREA.IGHT NOW, THERE'S A MANDATORY AREA.

IF THE PUT IT IN. OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE WILL REQUIRE. IN THIS TO PRESERVE THE POPULAR WATER SOURCE. IT'S ABOUT IRRIGATION UNDER THE LOWER QUALITY WORK. I WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND. THOSE ARE THE MAIN CHANGES IN THE ORDINANCE. WITH THOSE CHANGES, WE ALSO HAVE TO CHANGE OUR UTILITY STANDARDS MANUAL.

THEY CAN ADOPT UPPER RESOLUTION.

THE NEXT HEARING. IF CHOSEN.

AGAIN, THE LEVERAGE AGENTS TO THOSE STANDARDS IN THE LAST SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS BASED ON THE TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENTS.

BASED ON HOW WE BUILD THINGS. ALL THESE STANDARDS WENT THROUGH A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT. WE WENT TO ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS AS EVERYBODY ÃÃIT'S BEEN ABOUT TWO YEARS GOING THROUGH THE PUBLIC. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ISSUES WITH IT. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE ISN'T, BUT I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THEM WITH EVERYBODY'S ISSUES THAT THEY HAD WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE WERE MAKING. AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD STANDARDS MANUAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

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>> THE NEXT THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BECAUSE OF THESE CHANGES, IT IS GOING TO DRIVE EXPENDITURES.

I WANT TO BRING ORDINANCE WITHOUT TALKING LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE PLAN IS ON EXPENDITURES IS GONNA DRIVE.

MAINLY WOULD SEE THIS TO THE BUDGET CYCLE.

YOU WOULD SEE ALL THESE TENURE PLANS AND ALL THAT.

BECAUSE THIS IS MADE YEAR AND I WANT TO UPDATE WERE GONE, WHEN A HIPPO FOR THE BUDGET CYCLE NEXT YEAR.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROVIDING THE PLANS.

CANNOT ALLOW US TO MOVE AROUND BASED ON THE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE ECONOMY. WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT KIND OF THING. WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN AND WHERE WE'RE GOING. UTILITIES ARE DIFFERENT THAN OTHER THINGS. WITH MILLIGRAMS PEOPLE TO USE THEM. IF THEY ARE NOT THERE, YOU CANNOT USE THE PICNIC TO BE PREPARED AND READY FOR GROWTH AS IT COMES. AND THE REPLACING THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE ARTY HAVE.

SO, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT IMPACT OUR REGULATORY REGULATORY IMPACTS OUR CIP THIS IS WHEN THE BIG ONES IS LESTER EAGLE TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET CYCLE Ã IS SOMETHING STAFF SPOKE TO ABOUT A BILL CALLED CITIZEN 64 PRIVILEGES CAN ILLUMINATE ALL SURFACE WATER DISCHARGE FOR WASTEWATER PLANTS. THAT'S A BIG DEAL.

WHEN THEY LOOK AT THAT LAST YEAR AND THE BILL FIRST PASS, $200-$300 MILLION IN EXPENDITURES TO TRY MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THAT IS A BIG ISSUE IN THE CIP.

WHICH IS WHY WE BRING THAT BACK TO NOW.

SO WE CAN SEE THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING IN AND SOME OF THE WORK WE'RE DOING IN THE AREA. ANOTHER AREA IN THE CIP IS PRESERVING THAT WATER SOURCE. THE REASON FOR THE THIRD PIPE IS TO GET PEOPLE'S IRRIGATION UNLESS QUALITY WATER.

YET THE QUESTION ON THE TEMPLATE IS IN A FOUR FOR DEVELOPMENT? THERE'S PLENTY WATERFRONT LOTS OF WATER OUT THERE. WHAT THERE ISN'T IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF NICE CLEAN WATER THAT EASY TO TREAT AND SHE TO SUFFER THAT'S WHERE THERE'S NOT A. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MAXIMIZE THE DRINKING WATER AND USELESS QUALITY WATER FOR IRRIGATION. STILL VERY SAFE, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S EASILY TREATED FOR DRINKING WATER.

A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN THAT FIGHT, A TENURE CIP THAT I WAS SHE REAL QUICK AS SOME OF THE NEW REGULATIONS COMING DOWN THE PIKE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY CALL FOR PROBABLY FOUR. DON'T ASK ME.

I'M NOT AT ÃÃPOLY FLORAL ACOLYTE COMPOUND, WHICH IS A COMPOUND THEY'RE GOING TO START REGULATING HERE SOON.

THERE IS A TREATMENT THAT WOULD NEEDED TO BE AT AND TREATED FOR PLANT SPITBALLS ON THE BUDGET, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE GOING TO BE. THE ACCOMMODATING FOR EVERY NEW DESIGN THAT WE ARE DOING EVERY PROJECT.

DOING FOR THIS CHANGES FOR THE SECOND THING IS NOT ACCOUNTED FOR IS RIGHT NOW TEST TEST THE BILE SALTS.

THAT'S ONE PERCENT OF THE WATER THAT COMES BACK TO US TO TREAT.

THE SOLIDS.IGHT NOW, THOSE TREATED IN LAND THE PLANE.

THAT MIGHT BE GOING AWAY AS WELL.

JUST LIKE THE SURFACE WATER DISCHARGE.

OTHER SOURCES AND OTHER TECHNOLOGIES TO DO THAT.

WHILE IT'S NOT THE BUDGET, ALL THE PLANES BEING SET UP TO DO THAT THE FUTURE. SO JUST AS WITH THAT, THIS IS A COUPLE OF QUICK CHARTS. THIS IS HOW YOU ARE PLANNING FOR THIS IS REALLY MORE FOR THE PUBLIC.

PEOPLE ALWAYS ASK, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER? THE REASON WHY WE DO THAT, 10 YEARS.

WE LOOK AT 25¥0 YEARS FOR ALL OF OUR WATER SOURCES AND CUSTOMERS. WE ANTICIPATE DEMANDS, WE ANTICIPATE WHEN CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND BASICALLY WE CREATE THESE DEMAND CHARTS. THAT TELLS WHEN PROJECTS NEED TO BE BUILT TO MEASURE THE CAPACITIES THERE FOR CUSTOMERS COMING IN. AND SO, WE DO THOSE.

WE UPDATE THEM EVERY MONTH. AND BASICALLY, THIS IS FOR WATER. IT TELLS US BASICALLY WELL MANY WATER SOURCES PAID WHEN WE NEED THAT PLAN OR WELL? WASTEWATER, WE DID THE SAME THING.

I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS ESSENTIAL TO BRAG ABOUT OUR STAFF A LITTLE BIT.E TALKED ABOUT 250 MILLION FOR 64 STAFF. IF, BUT THE WAY TO DO THAT FOR ABOUT $80 MILLION. AND MEET THE WHOLE REQUIREMENT.

AND TO DO THAT, IT'S JUST AS WE HAVE TO BUILD A NEW PLANT IN A NEW AREA ANYWAY. THE IDEA IS THAT WE HAVE TO OPEN ANYWAY. WHEN WE SHIP THE WASTEWATER THAT'S GOING TO ANASTASIA ISLAND.

BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE TO GET RID OF THE WATER AND ANASTASIA ALLEN. THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT A LOT. TAKE SOME LEVEL OF THE PLAN ON THE NEW PLAN. WE WILL USE AN IRRIGATION AND REUSE THE SEWER PIPE THAT'S GOING ON THE RIVER TO THE PLANT AND PUMP THAT REUSED WATER IN THE ANASTASIA ISLAND PLAN.

PUMPING BACK INTO THE MAIN SYSTEM THAT WE USE IN ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS. IT'S PRETTY CREATIVE WHITE TO MEET THAT RULE WITH STUFF WE HAVE TO DO ANYWAY.

JUST DOING LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY TO MAKE SURE THAT GRID IS PUT TOGETHER. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO THE PLANNING AND THE TRUCKS WE'RE USING.

TO COME UP WITH THOSE PROJECTS. SO, TENURE PLAN, 660 MILLION.

PLUS OR MINUS. AGAIN, THESE NUMBERS CHANGE EVERY YEAR. WE DO ADJUST ALL OF OUR NUMBERS BASED ON THE INDEXES EVERY YEAR.

WHEN WE SEE OUR PLAN GOING AT 10 YEARS, THE PROJECTS THROUGHOUT 10 YEARS HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED FOR WHAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING INFLATION TO BE. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ABOUT 660 MILLION A LARGE CHUNK OF THAT IS FOR GROWTH AND CAPACITY.

WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S GROWING. YOU NEED THAT CAPACITY.

UTILITY RESERVES AND THE R&R MEANS THERE'S MONEY COMING OUT OF YOUR RATES EVERY YEAR. WE WILL PAY ABOUT HUNDRED AND

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90 MILLION OF THAT. CONNECTION FEES.

WHICH WE CAN TALK ABOUT A MINUTE WILL PAY ABOUT 90 MILLION IN CASH. CONNECTION WITH THESE ALSO PAY TOWARDS THE DEBT. WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL DEBT ISSUE, WHICH DID THE FIRST PHASE OVER 10 YEARS.

WE ARE DOING 2Ö ISSUES PER DUST AWAY UTILITIES RUN FOR THEY DO THAT BY ISSUING DEBT BY PAYING OFF THE RATES.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE THERE FOR THE CUSTOMERS.

SO, YOU DO FUNDED THROUGH RATES.

THROUGH DEBT. THE POTENTIAL DEBT 250 TO 380.

IT DEPENDS ON WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN THERE YET.

WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT THAT NUMBER NEEDS TO BE.E NEED AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. BUT THAT'S HOW THAT 60,000,001ST PHASE IS NOT THAT BIG FOR THAT, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 80 AND HUNDRED AND $20 MILLION. HOPING CLOSER TO 80.

AGAIN, NOT CAN ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THAT IN THE NEXT DISTANCE GOING TO THE SECOND READING OF THIS ORDINANCE.

SOME OF THE MAJOR PROJECTS THAT YOU WILL SEE ACTUALLY COMING TO YOU THIS YEAR THAT ARE GONNA BE UNDERWAY NEXT YEAR IS THE BIG PROJECT IS THE NEW 207 WHICH WATER PLANT.

THE PLANT AND ALL THE PIPING THAT GETS EVERYWHERE TO THAT PLAN. AND A LOT OF THAT IS ABOUT 70 PERCENT OR 64 NEEDS TO MEET THAT BILL IS IN THAT PROJECT.

O, WE WILL SEE THE PROJECT IN TWO OR THREE MONTHS COMING BACK TO. SOME OF THAT WILL BE BOND FUNDED PROJECT TO BE A DEBT FUNDED PROJECT TO SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS ARE JUST WATER PLANT UPGRADES.

ANOTHER EXPANSION IN THE NORTHWEST WASTEWATER PLANT.

THAT'S ALL THE WORK WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE READY FOR THE GROWTH AND REPLACING WHAT'S GOING OUT.

BEFORE WEARS OUT. SO, WHAT WE TALK ABOUT UNIT CONNECTION FEES? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR DEBT AND UNIT CONNECTION FEES.

AND I WANT TO SPEND JUST A MINUTE TALKING ABOUT THAT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE GET CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THIS IS FOR.

THE UNIT CONNECTION FEE IS NOT AN IMPACT FEE.

IT DOES NOT PAY FOR THE IMPACTS, THE CUSTOMERS TO THE SYSTEM. UNIT CONNECTION FEE IS THE BUY-IN AND EACH CUSTOMER, WHEN YOUR BRAND-NEW CUSTOMER, IS NOT A WATER AND SEWER CUSTOMER. YOU ARE BUYING IN YOUR PORTION OF THE SYSTEM THAT'S REALLY OUT THERE.

WHEN YOU ARE PAYING RATES, WHEN YOU START PAYING RATES, YOU ARE PAYING YOUR PORTION IN THE SYSTEM OF THOSE RATES.

WHEN YOU COME IN AFTER SOMEBODY ELSE DOES, YOU HAVE NOT PAID THE YEARS BEFORE, THAT THEY HAVE PAID.

SO THE CONNECTION IS BASICALLY A BUY-IN FEE.

WHEN EVERY NEW CUSTOMER PAYS. GENERALLY FOR NEW HOUSES.

GENERALLY, THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS TO THAT WHEN SOMEBODY'S ADDING WATER AND SEWERS TO AN EXISTING HOUSE.

WHEN YOU HAVE NOT HAD IT, IF THEY HAVE NOT PAID ANYTHING.

THEY HAVE IT. IN THE SENATE OPEN REGULATORY WASTEWATER AND PARADES ARE GOING WELL.

IT'S GONNA COST US MORE MONEY. HE CONNECTION IS SOMETHING THAT IS PAID FOR WHEN THE HOUSE IS A CO2 PORT.

OR ONE WATER OR SEWERS ADDED TO HOUSE.

A LOT MORE RARE. IN A CO.

IT'S PASSED THROUGH ON THE MORTGAGE TO A HOMEOWNER.

THAT'S WHERE IT GOES. THE FACT THAT IT GOES TO THE HOMEOWNER. WE FINISHED THE STUDY LOOKING AT THE COST OF WHERE WE ARE. AND WITH THESE COSTS OR INCREASES ARE. AND BASED ON THE STUDY, WE ARE RECOMMENDING ABOUT 700 $50 INCREASE IN THE WASTEWATER CONNECTION FEE. AT A $250 REUSE FEE AS WE ARE TAKING REEVES. IT'S ONLY $750 INCREASE IF YOU DON'T HAVE REUSE. BUT IT'S 1000 IF YOU HAVE REUSE AND WASTEWATER. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN I SHARE YOUR COMPARISON.

WORDS THAT MEAN TO US IF WE RAISE THOSE FEES? WE ARE STILL IN THE UPPER QUARTILE OF THE FEES OF UTILITIES AROUND US. WHEN YOU TELL THEM WHAT WE ARE STILL NOT AS HIGH AS JA. WE ARE STILL COMPETITIVE IF WE RAISE TO THAT POINT. WE ARE IN A COMPETITIVE OF THAT POINT. WE DON'T WANT TO BE AT THE LOWEST, IF YOU NOTICED THE LOWEST OF THE UTILITIES, THIS ONE'S REALLY WRONG. THE HARDER THE GROWTH, THE HIGHER OF THE CONNECTION FEES. MAINLY BECAUSE YOU HAVING MORE CAPACITY THAT YOU HAVE TO BUILD.

THAT'S WHY THEY GET HIRED. IT DOES RELY.

IF YOU NOTICE THE HIGHER GROWING UTILITY, THEY THAT ARE CONNECTION FEES. WHEN YOU'RE RIDING ON THOSE.

MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THIS IS WHEN YOU TRY TO KEEP FINANCIAL STABILITY. WHEN YOU'RE CHANGING ORDINANCE AND REGULATIONS, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE UTILITY IS VIABLE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT 10 YEARS, ARE WE GOOD?THE MAIN NUMBER WE LOOK AT IS DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE. BECAUSE WE DO RUN UTILITIES, MONEY PAYING IT BACK ÃÃTHAT'S HOW UTILITIES ARE RUN PRINT WE LOOK AT THE COVERAGE ON THAT DEBT.

AS LONG AS WE KEEP THE COVERAGE AT 1.5, IT'S 1.75.

OUR CREDIT RATING IS CAN BE VERY GOOD.

WE DO HAVE TO BORROW MONEY AND AT THE LOWEST COST POSSIBLE.

WE LOOK AT ABOUT 10 YEARS BASED ON MODEST CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES. WE ARE IN GREAT SHAPE FINANCIALLY AND UTILITY FUNDING ALL THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO IN AND A FULL RATE STUDY. THIS IS KEEPING OUR RATES AS THEY ARE. WITH THE ANNUAL JUSTIN MENTZ THAT WE NEED ON THE ANNUAL INDEXES.

THIS IS BUILDING THE INHABITANTS FOR 30 YEARS.

WE DO THE INDEX AND ALL OF OUR FEES AND RATES EVERY YEAR.

WITH ALL THAT, WE CAN KEEP UP WITH ALL THIS GROWTH.

WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A RATE INCREASE OR MAJOR RATE INCREASE FROM THE CUSTOMERS PAIRED WITH THAT, I'M GONNA END.

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THERE'S NO ACTION BY THE BOARD. RECOMMENDING US TO THE SECOND HEARING.BY RECOMMENDING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS MIGHT HAVE ON THE ORDINANCE OR STANDARDS. ANYTHING IS PRESENTED.

NEXT TIME HERE, THERE WILL BE THREE RESOLUTIONS WITH THE SECOND READING IN THIS REASON THE GONNA COME AFTERWARDS IS

[10. Flood Damage Control Regulations - Land Development Code Amendment. At its April 5, 2022 meeting, the Board heard the first reading of amendments to the Flood Damage Control Regulations of the Land Development Code. The attached draft ordinance proposes modifications to the text of Part 3.03.00 of the Land Development Code (Flood) and Article XII Definitions from the Land Development Code]

BECAUSE OF THE ORDINANCE PASSES, THE VISIONS PASS, WHEN HE DOES RESOLUTIONS TO ADOPT THE UTILITY STANDARDS MANUAL.

THE RATE RESOLUTION. AND WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR SS COMMISSIONER DOWNS CAN ASK FOR SETTING UP A FINANCIAL TEAM TO LOOK AT THE FIRST ROUND OF DEBT FOR UTILITY.

IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE THOSE RESOLUTIONS.

IT'S REALLY THE ORDER. FOR THAT, I'M HERE TO ANSWER

QUESTIONS PER. >> ANY QUESTIONS.

>> WHATI'D LIKE TO DO IS TAKE PUBLIC, EVEN IN THIS NOTEBOOK.

BECAUSE APPLICANT THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC PRETTILY TO RESOLVE TODAY. AT THE FINAL HEARING IF POSSIBLE GIVE US TIME TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME

FORWARD. >> SINGH ON, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC, AND AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE.

>> THERE IS NO VOTE. VOLUNTEER 10.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. WESLEY WOODWARD ROAD

MANAGEMENT. >> THIS IS THE REQUIRED SECOND HEARING FOR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE LOCAL ORDINANCE CHAPTER 1 BUILDING CODE.

IN THE DEVELOPING CODE ARTICLES 3 AND 12.

THE FIRST TANK WAS ON APRIL 5. SINCE THEN, THERE BEEN NO CHANGES TO THESE AMENDMENTS. I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND IF NOT, THE RECOMMENDED MOTIONS BOTH ITEMS ÃÃARE IN YOUR PACKETS PER.

>> NUMBER 10. QUESTIONS.

NOPE. BUT, THIS DISH PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THIS TIME, THE PUBLIC, WILL HEAR AGENDA ITEMS 10 AND 11.

ANYBODY WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC, AND AGENDA ITEMS 10 AND 11,

PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> SAYING NO, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC, ON AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 10.

>> MOTION NUMBER 10. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. MOTION TO ELECT 2022 Ã32.

PROXIMITY PART 3.00 3.00 AND ARTICLE 12 AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. BASED UPON THE MODIFICATIONS INCONSISTENT WITH THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SECOND. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND WITH 10.

PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT PASSES 5Ä. IS THERE A MOTION TERM?

[12. Consider appointments to the Housing Finance Authority. The Housing Finance Authority of St. Johns County (the "HFA") is a public body created pursuant to the "Florida Housing Finance Authority Law," Chapter 159, Part IV, Florida Statutes, as amended. The HFA was established for the purpose of alleviating a shortage of affordable housing facilities and to provide capital for investing in such facilities for low, moderate, and middle-income families in St. Johns County. The HFA is composed of seven members of which not less than a majority of the members shall be knowledgeable in one of the following fields: labor, finance, and commerce. Currently there are two (2) vacancies on the HFA. One vacancy is due to the resignation of Curtis Craig Higgins. The second vacancy is due to the expired term of Ms. Linda DeGrande. Please find attached for your review and consideration a recommendation letter from the Housing Finance Authority, and (2) applications. (Linda DeGrande District 2, Carolina Morrow District 3)]

>> A MOTION TO ENACT 2022 ¦ >> 33.

>> ADMINISTERED A SECTION OF AFFORDABILITY CODE CHAPTER 1.

AS CONSISTENT WITH STATE STATUTE 553.73.

FIVE. FOR EXTENSION.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> IS THERE SECOND?

>> A MOTION FOR A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

5Ä. OKAY.

NUMBER 12. THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY.

NUMBER 12. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MELISSA MULLEN WEST. THIS ITEM IS CONSIDERED AN APPOINTMENT FOR THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY.

THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES ON THIS FORM.

THERE ARE DUE TO THE RESIGNATION OF CURTIS CRAIG HIGGINS AND THE OTHERS EXPIRED TURN OF MS. LINDA DEGRADED.

WE DID ADVERTISE WHEN THE POSITIONS FROM OCTOBER TO NOVEMBER IN 2021. AND I THINK IT WAS LEFT OUT OF YOUR PACKET.HE ADVERTISEMENT THAT WE DID AGAIN IN NOVEMBER TO DECEMBER 2021. THE TWO POSITIONS.

WE DID RECEIVE APPLICATIONS FROM MS. LINDA DEGRADED.ND CAROLINA MORROW AFTER THE FACT. SO, WE ARE BRINGING THOSE TWO TO YOU. THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM HFA IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL. WE HAVE ANOTHER EXPIRED TERM THAT'S OCCURRING IN JUNE 22 ON THIS BOARD.

THAT WILL COME BACK TO AT A LATER DATE.

SO, I THINK THAT'S THE BASICS FOR THIS ITEM.

IF THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> PUBLIC COMMENT? >> THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR THE PUBLIC, ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12.

AS THE FINANCE AUTHORITY BOARD. ANYBODY WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC,, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SAYING NOT, WE CAN CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> IS THERE A MOTION?

>> YES SIR. >> LINDA DEGRADED.

TO THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY.

[13. Discussion of the St. Augustine Amphitheatre and Ponte Vedra Concert Hall. At the April 5, 2022 BCC meeting, the Board requested an agenda item to discuss potential enhancements of programs and schedules at the Amphitheatre and the Concert Hall.]

FOR A FOUR-YEAR TERM EXPIRED APRIL 19 2026.

>> . >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND. DO WE HAVE A VOTE?

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ND THAT PASSES 5Ä. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MOTION TO APPOINT CAROLINA MORROW TO THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY FOR FOUR-YEAR TERM. SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE APRIL 19,

2026. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. A VOTE?

>> AND THAT PASSES 5Ä. ITEM 13.

I WANT TO MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT ON LINE 13.

TAKE IT OFF. AGAIN, I BROUGHT THIS UP.

AT OUR LAST MEETING, IT REALLY TESTED IT WAS NOT REALLY TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE UNIVERSAL DISCUSSION OF THE PARTS.

DIFFERENT CRAFTS HOLT COUNTY REALLY WANTED TO LOOK AT TWO SPECIFIC ITEMS. THE COMMISSION RECEIVED.

BASICALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY.

A RESPONSIBILITY OVERSIGHT OVER THIS DISH BEACH CONCERT HALL.

AND THE AMPHITHEATER. HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO A LEAP YEAR APPROACHED ME ABOUT WHEN YOU HAVE CONCERT HALLS OR AMPHITHEATERS.

AND THEIR OWN AT LEAST MINUTES BY THE COUNTY.

WE ALL KNOW THAT THE UNDERLYING FEE AT THE END OF THE AMPHITHEATER IS OWNED BY THE STATE.FTER THE LONG TERM LEASE. TO THE COUNTY.

WE BASICALLY ÃÃNOT ÃÃTHE CONCERT HALL IN THE AMPHITHEATER ARE SORT OF IN A GRAY AREA.

NOT REALLY TOTALLY GOVERNMENTAL AND NOT TOTALLY PRIVATE.

WE DEMAND OF THEM THAT THEY BASICALLY WHAT THEY KILL.

ANY SUBSIDIES FROM THE COUNTY GENERAL FUND.

N THE OTHER HAND, WE HAVE CONSTRAINTS DEALING WITH EMPLOYEE PAY. RECRUITMENT.

TRAINING ÃTHIS ETC. ETC. AND IN THE PAST, WE HAD ISSUES WITH EMPLOYEES LEAVING FOR BETTER JOBS.

THAT HAPPENS AGAIN, IT HAPPENS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

WITH THAT SAID, THAT IS THE CONCEPT THAT I WANT TO DISCUSS.

AND THE CONTEXT THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS.

FIRST, I WANTED TO DEAL THE CONCERT HALL IS FANTASTIC JOULE THAT IS PROVIDING GREAT ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE PEOPLE NOT JUST ON PAPER, OUT-OF-STATE.

I WENT TO THE CONCERT MARCH 23 THAT WAS UNBELIEVABLE.

CHARLIE CROCKETT. UNBELIEVABLE PIANIST.

AND THE END OF THE CONCERT HALL ÃÃIN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE 900 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE HAD TO DO EXTENDED ONLY NO CHAIRS.

BECAUSE TO ACCOMMODATE MANAGER PEOPLE JUSTICE ALL THIS IS THE CONCERT HALL THAT LED US TO OKAY, I KNOW ALL OF YOU.

A BETTER CHANCE WITH JERRY WILSON.

GAVE THE PROPOSAL TO THE SEATING CAPACITY.

OF THE CONCERT HALL AND BEFORE WE TURN OUR ATTENTION TO THE AMPHITHEATER, AND IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THIS POWERFUL ATTENTION AND NOT RUSH THROUGH, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT I THINK FOR US AS LEADERS OF THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE PROJECTS SUCH AS VENUES THE AMPHITHEATER CONCERT HALL THAT WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY THEY ARE BEING RUN.

IT MIGHT BE THE WAY THEY RUNNING IT NOW.

BUT MAYBE IT WOULD LEAD TO SOME CHANGES AND IMPROVEMENTS.

SO, WITH THAT, IF I MAY, MOST ARE OTHER COMMENTS THAT I WANT TO DO IS HAVE JERRY WILSON SAY WORDS.

JERRY DOESN'T MIND. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS

POINT BEFORE JERRY SPEAKS? HEY JERRY.>> MR. CHAIRMAN.

JERRY WILSON, 830 A1 A NORTH SUITE 13.

BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATION.

IT'S GREAT TO BE WITH YOU TODAY.

I'M HERE IN MY CAPACITY AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRIENDS CONCERT HALL. WE HAVE SEVERAL HUNDRED MEMBERS. IT'S OVER 10 YEARS OLD AND WE WORK AS A COMMUNITY ADVOCACY GROUP FOR THE CONCERT HALL.

WE ARE SO FORTUNATE TO BE IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CULTURAL EVENTS DIVISION. AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN OVER TIME IS THAT THIS VENUE HAS BECOME A MUST STOP FOR EVERY ARTIST FROM DAVID CROSBY TO THE INDIGO GIRLS.

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WE HAVE A SHOW TONIGHT. WHICH IS ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF GENESIS. SOLD OUT.

TOMORROW NIGHT, ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE EAGLES, DON FELDER SOLD OUT. THIS WEEKEND, ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF MINUTE WORK, COLLEGE WILL BE THERE SOLD OUT. AND WHAT WAS HIS BOLD VISION BUILDING UPON 10 YEARS OF SUCCESS.

THE STUDENT BROKE THE CAPACITY TO ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO ENJOY THESE SHOWS. THE SHOW THAT YOU MENTIONED, CHARLIE CROCKETT, I WAS THERE THAT EVENING AS WELL.

AND IT WAS A WONDERFUL FAMILY GET-TOGETHER.

COWBOY HATS, THE WHOLE BIT. BUT MANY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO THE ABILITY TO SET IN AN UPSTAIRS BALCONY.

TO SEE IT WHILE THE OTHERS WERE DOWNSTAIRS STANDING.

THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THAT PARTICULAR IDEA BASED ON THE MCCORMICK STUDY WOULD SUGGEST ALMOST $1.7 MILLION OF DIRECT ECONOMIC IMPACT. IT WOULD ALSO DRIVE LODGING BY AN ESTIMATED $600,000. NCREMENTAL PURCHASE FOR THE INCREMENTAL SEATS ALONE. AND IT WOULD ONLY BE A 25 PERCENT INCREASE IN CAPACITY. WHAT WE ARE ENVISIONING IS UTILIZING THE SAME BUILDING THAT IS ALREADY IN THIS GREAT PROPERTY. AND PUTTING A BALCONY UPSTAIRS WITHIN THE CHURCH THAT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT THERE.

IT CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT. IT IS READY TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT PROJECT ACHIEVED. AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS THE ORIGINAL VISION ALMOST 12 YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY OPENED. SO, WE ARE HOPING THAT IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL GO FORWARD.

OUR FRIENDS AT THE CONCERT HALL IS COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.HE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD JUST AS WE HAVE AN ALL VOLUNTEER BOARD. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE FEES. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OFFICES.

WE DO THIS ON OUR OWN TIME. BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN IT.

TODAY, I'VE ENJOYED BEING HERE SINCE 9 AM TALKING ABOUT GROWTH. AND WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SEEING PEOPLE COME TO THE CONCERT HALL FREQUENTLY AS THEY ARE FIRST CULTURAL EVENTS EXPERIENCE.

HAVING MOVED HERE FROM OUT OF STATE.

AND THEY ARE BLOWN AWAY TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY.

BUT IMAGINE WHAT WE COULD HAVE IF WE GO ON THE 486 SEATS RIGHT THERE RIGHT NOW. WE FIRMLY SUPPORT THIS IDEA.

GABRIEL PALACIOS HERE IS THE GENERAL MANAGER.

AND HIS GREAT TEAM IS DEVISED A UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PROMOTERS TO BRING GREAT TALENT IN.

AND I'M SURE HE CAN ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JERRY AT THIS POINT? GO GET THEM JERRY.

YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

OW, IF THERE ARE NOT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONCERT HALL, ONLY SHARE SOME OF THE POINTS I MADE OVER THE LAST MEETING AND THE REASON I WANTED THIS AGENDA AND ENDED THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO ADD IN AND HAVE A DISCUSSION.

WE HAVE QUESTIONS TO GIVE. WE CAN CALL ON HIM.

LET'S TALK AMONGST OURSELVES FOR A FEW MINUTES IF WE ME.

AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT I THINK IS POSSIBLE ON OUR PART TO LOOK AT THE MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATIONAL SYSTEM WE HAVE IN PLACE FOR THE AMPHITHEATER. AND AGAIN, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT AT THE END OF THE DAILY THIS TO THIS DISH ÃCHANGES IN WHAT THOSE CHANGES MIGHT BE. I DON'T KNOW.

BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THERE IS AN ATTRACTION SUCH AS THE AMPHITHEATER ÃÃAGAIN, THE WAY IT'S SET UP ÃÃPROBABLY NOT THE STATE. THE HOUSE AND I PLAN ON FOR EXAMPLE SAINT ALBERT FALL ALABAMA WILL FALL.

SHE I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS I GO FORWARD, TO MAKE THE MOST OPTIMAL WAY IN OVERSIGHT. AT THE SAME TIME PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO THE MANAGEMENT TEAM OPERATING AT IN SOME WAY COMPETE WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR OR PUBLIC SECTOR THAT ALSO HAS AMPHITHEATERS AND IN FACT, THE LAST TWO YEARS.

AND DRAWN EMPLOYEES FROM OUR AMPHITHEATER IF GONE ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO 40 TO 50 PERCENT OF DOING THE SAME THING.

SO, WHAT I WANT TO SUGGEST TODAY IS THAT WE ÃÃJUST AS WE DID WITH THE ARPA FUNDING, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AN ADVISORY GROUP OR MAY BE FIVE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCE NOT ONLY ENTERTAINMENT, BUT FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT AND PRIVATE FINANCE. TO LOOK AT THE VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES TO OPERATING THE FACILITY.

THAT KEEPS THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE FOCUS ON THE COUNTY

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COMMISSION. WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE TAXPAYER. AT THE END OF THE DAY.

AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE TAX MONEY AND THAT IT'S USED APPROPRIATELY.ND EFFICIENTLY. I ALSO THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TOP-LEVEL ENTERTAINMENT, IT'S GONNA BE CREATED BY HAVING TOPICAL STAFF. THE STAFF OF THE AMPHITHEATER AND CAN DO THE MAGIC TO RECRUIT, WHICH THEY'VE DONE.

JOHN LEGEND, WILLIE NELSON, THE BEACH BOYS, FOREIGNER, AND COMING SOON ALABAMA. WITH THAT SAID, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN SOME THOUGHTS IF YOU WISH.

GAIN, IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TODAY AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS SIMILAR TO THE ARPA FUNDING. SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TEST IS MADE EACH OF US WERE EACH OF US WITH THE MEMBER.E WOULD HAVE FIVE ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE EACH APPOINTMENT OR TO SERVE AND REPORT BACK TO US WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. MAYBE THIS SUMMER OR FALL.

IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANY BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS THAT WILL BE GOING THROUGH. WITH THAT, I REMIND YOU, THE

THOUGHTS? >> ABSOLUTELY MR. CHAIRMAN.

I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS UP.

THERE ARE INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITIES ARE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH BOTH THESE VENUES.

BOTH OF THESE MEN IS REALLY CAPTURING THE COMMUNITY FOR OUR CULTURE. WHICH IS IMPORTANT.

I HAVE EXTENDED FAMILY FROM ALL OVER THE STATE THAT COMES IN THESE VENUES. THAT MAKE A POINT WHEN THEY ARE IN TOWN THEY WANT THE CONCERT HALL OR AMPHITHEATER LIKE YOU SAID. THESE ARE UNIQUE.

DESTINATIONS. I THINK OUR CITIZENS.E OWE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO BEFORE THINKING AND REMIND THEM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA AND I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME WITH JERRY AND SOME MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THERE.

AS WELL AS WITH PHIL AND INDIVIDUALS IN THE AMPHITHEATER AND THERE'S INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITIES THERE.

I LOVE THE SUGGESTION I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY WORTH IT.

THOSE ARE MY TWO CENTS. ÁCUSTOMÁ SERVE?

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. PERSONALLY, WE ARE HUGE FANS OF THE CONCERT HALL AND AMPHITHEATER.

I THINK THERE SUCH A JEWEL IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK IT SERVES EVERYBODY. MY HUSBAND AND FRIENDS THERE Ã ÃTO THE SATURDAY MORNING FARMERS MARKET.

WHICH IS GREAT. SO, I ABSOLUTELY THINK AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE US TO LOSE SUCH AN ASSET IN MY OPINION.

SUCH AS A MONSTER LIKE LIVE NATION BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS A COMMISSION AND WITH THE HELP GIVEN TO JERRY COULD POSSIBLY PUT TOGETHER THE STEERING COMMITTEE.EFINITELY

SUPPORT THAT. >> STEERING COMMITTEE WOULD BE FINE, BUT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND TOO THAT IT WILL RUN.

AND I CANNOT EVEN TELL YOU THAT WE WERE TOLD WITH THE DIRECTOR.

WE WERE IN TROUBLE ÃÃIT'S BEEN BETTER.

MY CONCERNS IS THAT SOMETIMES TWO ÃÃTHE HOOK ON THE END.

WE HAVE DONE SOME THINGS WITH NONPROFITS IN THE PAST WORK RUNNING STUFF FROM THE COUNTY PROPERTY IS NOT AND WELL.

THEY MAY VIEW THE MARKET THAT THE PEER FOR A WHILE AT THE AMPHITHEATER FOR A WHILE. SO, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT.

YES, COMMITTEE WOULD BE FINE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED A LOT OF IT WOULD NEED TO BE BUSINESS ORIENTED PEOPLE.

BECAUSE YOU TALKING ABOUT A BUSINESS.

AND COUNTY PROPERTY, YOU ARE DOING ÃTHIS YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT, ACCOUNTING, BUT IT'S BUSINESS.

AND HOW YOU RUN THE BUSINESS NEEDS TO BE DONE BY PEOPLE WHO RUN BUSINESSES OR THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS WITHIN THE COUNTY.

SO YOU KNOW? UPON THE CONCERT HALL, I ENJOYED THE PRESENTATION PROBABLY BEEN A YEAR NOW.

I WAS OPEN COME BEFORE THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT VENUE.

IT'S DEFINITELY A PLACE WHERE WE CAN USE THIS DISH LOOK AT EXPANDING. DEFINITELY WAY TO PAY THAT OFF AND GIVE INCREASED TICKETS AND KIND OF BEEN RUNNING THROUGH MY HEAD ON THE AMPHITHEATER NOW. THAT'S THE WAY TO DO.

YOU GET ANOTHER COUNTY PAYING A FEE OR TICKET.

YOU HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT ANOTHER THING TWO.

YOU WOULD REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE STATE AGREEMENT TO SEE IF WE CAN EVEN DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN WITH THE AMPHITHEATER. SO, WE WANT TO MAKE VERY CAREFUL OF THAT. I KNOW US IS ABORTIVE HAD TO CLEAN UP SOME STUFF SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE TWO OR THREE AGREEMENTS WITH THE PROPHETS. ON THE COUNTY PUBLIC PROPERTY.

SO, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. >> SURE.UESTION?

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, I THINK THE CONCERT HALL AND AMPHITHEATER ARE JEWELS OF THE COUNTY.

SAINT AUGUSTINE AMPHITHEATER IS THE NUMBER TWO VENUE.

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IN THE COUNTRY. HIS REP BEHIND RED BOX.

IN THE AMPHITHEATER. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY GOOD THING. ALL ARE DOING A GOOD THING.

I MOST CONCERNED WHEN I HEAR FROM STAKEHOLDERS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE LOSING STAFF AND MADE THAT POSSIBLE IN THE AMPHITHEATER JUST BECAUSE MAYBE WE HAVE SOME RESTRAINTS ON WHAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN DO. I AM ABSOLUTELY OPEN-MINDED TO POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS FOR THE DEVILS ALWAYS IN THE DETAILS.

THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S FINANCIALLY VIABLE.S A PUT TAXPAYERS ON THE HOOK IN A WAY THAT THEY CANNOT SUSTAIN.

BUT, CERTAINLY, YOU GUYS HAVE PROVEN YOUR WORTH IN THE COUNTY. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL VENUE.

THE CONCERT HALL. AND THE AMPHITHEATER AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S CARE AND CONSIDERATION BY KEEPING EVERYTHING LOCALLY SOURCED. AT THE AMPHITHEATER AND THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GONE OUT AND GOTTEN YOUR OWN GRANT.

IT SHOWS THE INITIATIVE AT THE CONCERT HALL.

YOU ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY MONEY FOR THE BALCONY.

SO, I THINK THESE ARE BUSINESSMEN WHO HAVE PROVEN THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THESE VENUES AND DO THE RIGHT THING. AND ANY SOLUTION THAT WE CAN GET BACK FROM THIS COMMITTEE TO HELP US MAKE IT MORE SUSTAINABLE ÃJUST MAYBE THEY CAN RETAIN THE STAFF AND THOSE

THINGS POSSIBLE. >> OKAY, WITH THAT SAID, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AT THIS POINT ÃTESTIFY HERE CONSENSUS, MOVING FORWARD, THE TASK FORCE, AN ADVISORY GROUP THAT WOULD ADVISE US THIS DISH WOULD NOT LIKE TO DO TO SUGGEST WITH THE CONSENSUS IS: THE PUBLIC COMMENT.THAT WE GO FORWARD EACH COMMISSIONER POINT REMEMBER AND I WILL INCUR AS PAUL SAID, NEED ONE OR TWO FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

EITHER IS A PRIVATE COMMUNITY BUSINESSMEN WRITING ON THE FRONT OF THE CHECK OR THE BACK. OR PHD IN ECONOMICS.

BUT SOMEONE WITH GOOD PRIVATE EXPERIENCE.ND BUSINESS AS WELL. AS WELL AS HAVING EXPERIENCE AND YELLING WITH THE ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS.

AND I CAN THINK OF SEVERAL. SO, WITHOUT SUGGEST BY CONSISTENCE FORM ADVISORY TASK FORCE MAKING EACH WAY AND WITH MELISSA. WITH THEIR APPOINTEE AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THIS IS APRIL 19.

MAYBE BY THE JUSTICE MAYBE BY THE THIS DISH I DON'T KNOW, ME THURSDAY SOON. LET'S SHOOT FOR MAY 17 MEETING TO MAYBE HAVE OUR APPOINTMENTS MADE.

ON MAY 17. PENDANT WORK WITH THE STAFF TO GO FORWARD IT WOULD PROCEED IN THE TIMELINE THAT THEY THINK THEY COULD DO. I ONLY WANT TO SUGGEST A TIMELINE TODAY, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS.

MAYBE TWO MONTHS AND IT MIGHT BE 18 MONTHS.

CLOSER TO TWO MONTHS.

ONETHELESS, EVERYBODY AWARE THAT? ANY PUBLIC, ON THIS? THAT WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN? COME ON DOWN. HELLO THAT RED COAT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M DOCTOR MICHELLE POLONSKY PARADIGM THE 109 KINGS FOUR LANE.

SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH FLORIDA. WHAT A WONDERFUL SURPRISE TO HEAR THIS PRESENTATION FROM THE FRIENDS OF THE COUNTRY VICTOR CONTRA HALL. I HAVE ATTENDED MANY EVENTS AT THE AMPHITHEATER IN COUNTRY THEY DREW CONCERT HALL.

THE CONCERT HALL, NOT ONLY SERVES AS A POINT OF ENTERTAINMENT, BUT IT IS FOR COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES.

SUCH AS CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES COMING IN FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AND GREET, THE LOCAL POPULATION.

AND SUPPORTING OTHER COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES.

THE SAME THING FOR THE THEATER. ENTERTAINMENT AND CULTURES, THE LIFEBLOOD OF OUR COMMUNITY. I THOROUGHLY ÃÃI SUPPORT 100 PERCENT THE PROPOSAL FOR EXPANSION OF THE PONTEVEDRA CONCERT HALL. I JUST WISH THAT IT WAS BUILT TO A LARGER SIZE ORIGINALLY. SO, I SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION TODAY.

>> THANK YOU DOCTOR. ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? SEE NOT, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE, YES MAMA. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

I DID NOT SEEM FAIR. I DID NOT SEE YOU THERE.

>> SAINT AUGUSTINE ÃÃTHIS IS A WONDERFUL LITTLE IDEA.

BUT HERE IS A TAX PAYER. I AM ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY.

NO TAX DOLLARS, I GO ALONG WITH WHAT THE COMMISSIONER WALTON

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WAS SAYING ABOUT THAT. YOU CAN GO OUT AND GET GRANTS MR. ABE HAS GOTTEN A BIG GRIN. I THOUGHT IT WAS 500,000 OR HALF $1 MILLION. I CANNOT KEEP ALL THE MONEY IN MY HEAD. BUT, TO IMPROVE WHAT THEY HAVE TO FIND, BUT NO TAX DOLLARS AND HIS STAFF IS NOT THE ONLY ONE LEAVING THE COUNTY. IF FURTHER AVENUES WHERE THEY CAN MAKE MORE MONEY. WE BASICALLY GET A JOB TO MAKE MONEY. NOT TO JUST ÃÃUNLESS YOUR NONPROFIT. YOU DON'T EXPECT ANY MONEY.

IF YOU DO IT OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF YOUR HEART.

THE THING IS, WE NEED TO STEP BACK ON TEST.

YOU CAN HAVE YOUR STEERING COMMITTEE.THAT IS FINE.

WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT. PEOPLE ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE, AND MAYBE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL SITTING IN THIS ROOM. $1000 EACH.

WE CAN REALLY GET IT GOING THAT WAY, OR IT'S NOT OUT OF THE TAXPAYERS. IT'S NOT JUST ANYBODY GOES TO THESE VENUES. IT DOES BRING IN A LOT OF PEOPLE AND TRAFFIC OVER THERE ON THE ISLAND.

WHICH YOU ALL SHOULD KNOW IF YOU GO OVER THERE.

ANYWAY, THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN.

WHETHER WE WANT TO DO THESE KIND OF THINGS, LET'S THINK ABOUT THE MONEY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND.

TO ME, THIS IS A WANT. IT IS NOT A NEED.

I'M SORRY. THIS IS HOW YOU LOOK AT THINGS IN LIFE. SO, LET'S BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE ARE SPENDING TAX DOLLARS AND YOU DON'T NEED TO BECAUSE

[14. Discussion of the Palm Valley Sidewalk FY23 Legislative Appropriation. The FY23 Florida General Appropriations Act, HB 5001, was approved by the Senate and House on March 14, 2022, and included an appropriation of $800,000 to St. Johns County for the Palm Valley Sidewalk project to improve roadway safety for the area. The Appropriations Act is currently pending signature by the Governor. The Governor has until June 30, 2022, to sign the bill and submit any vetoes]

THESE NONPROFITS CAN GO FOR THE MONEY PAID THERE IS MONEY OUT THERE FOR THEM. THEY CAN GO FOR AND THEY HAVE IN THE PAST. AND I'M GLAD THAT IT WAS CLARIFIED TODAY. IT IS NOT THE ST. JOHN'S CULTURAL COUNCIL OR CULTURE OR WHATEVER EVENTS THING.

BECAUSE THEY ALREADY GOT THEIR WATER WORKS IN THE CITY LIMITS, WHICH I WAS NOT FOR THAT EITHER.

SO, AS LONG AS IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE TWO AND NOT OUR TAX DOLLARS, LET'S JUST COME APPEAR AND SAY THANK YOU

ONE OF THESE DAYS. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? SING NONPAID WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A PATH TO PROCEED WITH THE CONSENSUS AND GET APARTMENTS MADE BY MAY 17 TO THE TASK FORCE. OKAY, WE ARE READY FOR THE SIDEWALK VALLEY SIDEWALK. FINALLY, I'VE BEEN HERE ALL DAY. I THINK.

MOST OF THE DAY.

[LAUGHTER] > GOOD AFTERNOON. HOPEFULLY THIS IS THE LAST TIME YOU HAVE TO SEE ME TODAY. I AM HERE TO BRING FORTH FOR DISCUSSION THE VALLEY SIDEWALK LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE CHAIRS DIRECTION. SO, I CAN JUST REMIND YOU THAT A FIVE PROJECT FUNDED BY THE LEGISLATURE.

THIS FISCAL YEAR 23 ÃÃIT HAS NOT YET ÃÃTHE BILL HAS NOT YET MADE IT TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK.

WHEN IT DOES, YOU WILL HAVE UNTIL JUNE 30 TO ENACT ANY TOOLS TO VETO AS PAST. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER UPDATES AT THIS TIME. WE ARE CLOSELY FOLLOWING UP TO THE ÃÃMAKE SURE THAT WE FIND OUT AS SOON AS THE ITEM IS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR. AND I HAVE GREG HERE.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE HIM TO SPEAK TO THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT AT

THIS TIME. >> AND I BELIEVE IT'S ALL COMMUNITY. MEMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO