Mar 07, 2022 Ponte Vedra Zoning and Adjustment Board

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PVZVAR. PVZVAR.

>>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE ORDER MARCH 7 OF THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD. WE HAVE TWO ABSENCES.

ALSO NEED TO NOTE THAT ANY OFFICIAL ACTION REQUIRES

FOUR VOTES. >> YOU'RE ON.

>> THANKS. >>> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE BOARD'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT THE DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FORRIA.

ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKER MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED INTO STAFF. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT THE TIME DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIME DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH WILL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND THEN STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.

IF THEY D NOT, THE FACT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY.

IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE WHICH RECORD INCLUDE THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON BY THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.

ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARIEST PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPH OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARDS OR THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OF APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM.

BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE OF THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE BOARD.

IF SUCH COMMUNICATION IS OCCURRED THE BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD THEN IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION.

CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE.

WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES.

WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

[1. PVZVAR 2021-13 31 Jefferson Ave.. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section III.B.1 of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations to allow a second Front Yard setback of 15 feet in lieu of the 25-foot requirement in R-1-D zoning. ]

WE HAVE TWO MODIFICATION. ONE IS ITEM 3 HAS BEEN DELAYED I BELIEVE APRIL 4TH MEETING.

AND AFTER THE AGENDA ITEMS ARE DONE WE WOULD LIKE TO GROUP DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD MEMBER AND THE PUBLIC ON CHAIN-LINK FENCES AND ENFORCEMENT OF VARIANCES.

WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO THE FIRST AGOED ITEM. THAT'S PVZVAR 20221-13- 31 JEFFERSON AVENUE. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS IF THEY'VE VISITED IF SITE IN RELATION

TO THIS? >> I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM MR. OCE. HE ASKED IF I COULD MEET HIM AT THE SITE. AND I SAID IT WOULD BE GLAD TO. I WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE PROMPT OVER THERE. BUT SEEING IT'S AN OVERGROWN LOT, I WANTED TO LOOK AT THE LINES OF THE PROPERTY AND HE ALSO SHOWED ME A BLUEPRINT OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING HE WAS WANTING TO BUILD THERE. I HAD NO OTHER DISCUSSIONS.

>> I SPOKE WITH MR. OSSI AS WELL.

HE CALLED ME AND I RETURNED HIS PHONE CANDIDATE AND LET HIM KNOW I WOULD VISIT THE LOT AND HE INVITED ME TO CALL HIM WITH ANY QUESTIONS. I DID CALL HIM BACK TO LET HIM KNOW THE QUESTION IT WOULD BE ASKING HIM AT THIS MEETING WHICH WILL COME UP LATER.

I ALSO SPOKE WITH MR. AND MRS. PUSY.

THEY FRONT GOLF VIEW CIRCLE TO I GUESS -- WOULD BIT THE NORTH OF PROPERTY? THE NORTH OF THAT PROPERTY.

THEY ARE AN EXISTING HOMEOWNER.

AND I SPOKE WITH THEM AND THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO

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BUT HE ALSO FRONTS GOLF VIEW AND HE WAS OPPOSED.

THOSE ARE ALL THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAD.

AND I DID VISIT THE SITE. >> I TALKED TO MR. OSSI.

HE CALLED ME HOME AND I ASKED IF I WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH HIM AT THE SITE. I VISITED IT ALREADY.

AND I HAVE VISITED IT AGAIN TODAY.

>> I ALSO SPOKE WITH MR. OSSI IN OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MEETING AND SPECIFICS OF THE SITE.

I'VE OO VISITED THE SITE AND AM FAMILIAR WITH IT.

>> DOES STAFF HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET

STARTED? >> NO, SIR.

MR. CHAIR. >>CHAIR: READY FOR THE PRESENTATION, MR. OSSI. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. I'M JACK OSSI34 JEFFERSON.

THE MAIN REASON WHY I'M HERE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A TRIANGLE LOT AND WITH THE SET BACK BEING -- I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT GOLF VIEW CIRCLE I DON'T KNOW IF NEIGHBORS WERE CONFUSED IF I WOULD DO ANYTHING ON JEFFERSON SIDE. THE REASON WHY BECAUSE THE 25-FOOT ON THE WIDE SIDE OF THE GOLF VIEW DECREASE ANY BACKYARD I COULD HAVE ON THIS LOT.

BECAUSE OF THE TRIANGLE. ANOTHER REASON IS GARAGE -- IT'S HARD TO GET A TWO-CAR GARAGE WITH THE CORNERS OF THE TRIANGLE. AS YOU SEE ON THIS ONE I BROUGHT IT FURTHER UP SO I COULD HAVE THE GARAGE ON THE LEFTSIDE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD SEE THIS. IF I PUSH IT BACK TO WHERE THE SET BACK IS IT'S LIKE A ONE-CAR GARAGE.

IF I MOVED IT TO THE OTHER SIDE THEN IT JUST SPLITS THE TWO HOUSES IN HALF HAVING THE GARAGE HERE AND PUSHES MY BACKYARD. I HAVE NO BACKYARD.

AND THEN THE POSITIVES OF THIS IS ROAD ITSELF IS 20 WIDE. 25 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE TO MIDDLE OF THE ROAD WHICH ASK FROM THE ROAD IS 15 FEET THEN FROM THE PROPERTY LINE IT WOULD BE ANOTHER 15 FEET.

SO I WOULD HAVE 30 FEET FROM THE ROAD.

I THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE. AND ACROSS THE STREET THAT I GET CLOSER TO IS PARKING LOT; WHICH HAS NO HOUSE OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE A DISTRACTION.

I SAW ONE PERSON POST 39 THAT I GOT AN E-MAIL.

I KNOW THEIR HOUSE IS ON JEFFERSON FURTHER DOWN.

AND THEY HAVE A NICE HOUSE WITH A POOL IN THE BACKYARD.

THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE OF THE TRIANGLE, I FEEL LIKE NO OTHER LOTS ARE LIKE THIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH JEFFERSON HAS 60 BY 140 FILL UPS.

JACKSON MOST OF THEM ARE 41 BY 60 BY 140.

IT HURTS ME -- THE GOLF VIEW SIDE GIVE MY WIFE PART OF THE HOUSE. WHEN I PUSH IT BACK I WILL HAVE NO BACKYARD. IT WOULD BE REALLY TIGHT.

INCLUDING A GARAGE TOO. THAT HURTS ME.

ANY QUESTIONS. I BROUGHT MY ARCHITECT HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE ARCHITECT TOO.

ANY ADVICE OR QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR HIM ALSO.

>> QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? >> RICHARD?

>> THANK YOU. COULD YOU GIVE US THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FIRST FLOOR THAT YOU ARE PUTTING IN.

THIS IS PROPOSED -- WHEN I GOT THIS APPROVED.

1478 FOR THE FIRST FLOOR AND GARAGE WAS 550 SQUARE FEET.

AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR WOULD BE -- I HAVEN'T DETAILED THE SECOND FLOOR. I WILL GO FURTHER ON WITH THE SECOND FLOOR. IT JUST DEPENDS OBVIOUSLY

HOW THIS GOES TOO. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU.

I WANTEDED TO ASK. THIS IS ONLY CORNER LOT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE ONE NEXT TO YOU ON GOLF KIND OF EXTENT AROUND THE CIRCLE THAT'S JUST ONE-HOUSE LOT? THE ONE TO THE NORTH OF YOU?

>> YEAH. I THINK THE GUY IS ON TWO LOTS. THEY ALSO HAVE TWO LOTS.

I THINK HE'S ON TWO LOTS. YES.

I THINK HE'S ON TWO LOTS. THE TRIANGLE IS WHY I'M HERE TODAY. IF IT WAS ANY OTHER LOT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WOULD BE FINE WITH THE 60 BY 140.

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THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE. >> I THINK WHEN I TALKED TO MR. OSS I, I ASKED WHAT HE WOULD DO IF HE DIDN'T GET THE VARIANCE. ONE CAR YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUSH IT BACK. SMALLER HOUSE; YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A BACKYARD OR POOL. THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.

. >> WOULD HAVE TO DO A SMALLER HOUSE. I FEEL LIKE THIS NEIGHBORHOODEN THE NEIGHBORS SOME THINK THEY OPPOSE IT.

THEY WOULD A COMP THAT COULD PUT A BIG HOUSE AND HAVE A BACKYARD. YOU WANT YOUR NEIGHBOR COMP RELATED. I DON'T WANT TO BRING THE COMPS DOWN. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY REALIZE WHY I'M DOING THIS. I WOULD SAY IF ANYBODY ELSE ON GOLF VIEW IF THEY HAD A WEIRD LOT, I THINK THEY COULD COME HERE AND TRY THEIR BEST.

TRY TO GET A VARIANCE. GOLF VIEW CIRCLE KIND OF THERE ARE DIFFERENT LOTS THAN OTHER LOTS IN THE

NEIGHBORHOOD. >> MEGAN?

>> I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST IN OTHER PARTS OF PONTE VEDRA WHERE WE HAD TRIANGLE LOTS THAT WE MADE ACCOMMODATION BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF THE LOT IS THE HARDSHIP. WHAT I WAS WONDERING JUST SORT OF ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF NEIGHBORS WHETHER IF YOU CAPPED THE GARAGE FORWARD AND MOVE THE HOUSE BACK THE POOL IN THE FRONT AND THAT WOULD KEEP THE TWO STORY HOUSE FOR BEING SO CLOSE TO THE ROADWAYS AND GIVE YOU THAT SENSE OF SORT OF BEING OVER BEARING. AND I ALSO JUST WANTEDED TO MENTION THAT YOU'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE IMPERVIOUS RATIO OF 40%. I KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE GARAGE FORWARD AND YOU HAVE AN IMPERVIOUS DRIVEWAY, THEN YOU WILL HAVE -- IF YOU HAVE ARE A POOL AND YOU WANT TO HAVE A WALKWAY AROUND IT, YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE IT.

BUT PRETTY MUCH THE DRIVEWAY WOULD HAVE TO BE YOU KNOW IMPERVIOUS. THAT'S ONE OF MY THOUGHTS.

UNLESS YOU HAVE A SECOND STORY ON THE GARAGE.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO THAT?

>> MY IDEA WASN'T TO DO THE SECOND STORY BUT MORE OF THE HOUSE. IT ALL DEPENDS.

I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS LOT AND FIGURE THE BEST WAY TO BUILD A BEAUTIFUL HOME. I'M OPEN.

IF I MOVE THE GARAGE CLOSER AND MOVE -- I WOULD STILL LIKE TO HAVE A BACKYARD IS WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO HAVE THIS HOUSE.

I DO WORRY ABOUT THAT, ALSO THE BACKYARD.

>> BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER HOUSES.

I KNOW THERE'S A HOME THEY PUT THEIR POOL IN THE FRONT.

AND OTHER PLACES TO PUT THE POOL IN THE FRONT OR THE MIDDLE OR -- LIKE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE?

>> IT'S OPEN TO DISCUSSION. I'M TRYING TO GET ANYTHING THAT WOULD HELP ABOUT THIS LOT.

WOULD BE THANKFUL FOR SURE. >> I'VE GOT A QUESTION.

I'M NOT SURE IT'S FOR YOU OR STAFF.

AT ONE POINT IN THE REPORT MENTIONED THAT THE LOT IS.34 ACRE. ANOTHER MENTIONS 6500 SQUARE FEET. I SAW A SURVEY THAT SAID.34 ACRES. YOU HAVE ANOTHER THING THAT

SAID -- >> 6500 SQUARE FEET.

>> I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. I'M SORRY.

>> IT'S UNDER THE DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW ON PAGE 10. UNDER PLANNING REVIEW.

>> WHAT HURTS THIS LOT BECAUSE IT TAKES THE WIDE PART OF MY LOT 25 FEET OF GOLF VIEW.

AND THAT'S WHAT PUSHES -- THAT'S WHAT HURTS THIS LOT, IF YOU THINK OF A SQUARE FOOT NUMBER.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF THE OTHER LOTS WERE 60 BY 140. YOU HAVE THE BACKYARD AND THE FRONT YARD. THE REASON I'M HERE TODAY IS JUST BECAUSE OF THE TRIANGLE.

AND THE WIDE SPOT IS TAKING 25 FEET OFF THE LOT.

IF YOU COMPARE LOTS AND SQUARE FOOT THAT'S ALL EQUAL. IS THAT WHAT YOU THINKING?

>> 6500 SEEMING SMALL. >> JACOB?

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>> I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE IT IS.

>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT. OF COURSE I DON'T HAVE ALL MY MAPS UP IN FRONT OF ME. MY FIRST GUESS IS THAT THE ACTUAL CURRENT PARCEL IS MADE UP OF TWO SEPARATE LOTS. BECAUSE WE HAVE LOT THREE AND FOUR. BUT THE PARTICULAR LOT THAT

WE'RE DISCUSSING. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE THAT THE LOT IS THE SMALLER SIDE, THE WHOLE PARCEL IS

THAT LARGER SIDE. >> 6500 IS SMALLER THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED FOR A LOT SIZE FOR THAT ZONE.

>> THAT'S BASED ON MY CALCULATIONS FROM MAPPING IT

OUT, SIR. >> IT'S A VERY SMALL LOT.

>> OTHER QUESTION DO WE THOUGH IF WE GRANTED A VARIANCE TO A HOUSE ON JACKSON, JACKSON AND GOLF

VIEW? >> IT APPEARS THAT THE HOUSE ON JACKSON IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE ROAD COMPARED THE OTHER HOUSES. WE WOULD BE AT THE END OF

JACKSON. >> I SEE THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE 20 JACKSON STREET. I BELIEVE JUST LOOKING AT IT THAT IT MAY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ALLOW FOR A SIDE YARD SET BACK OF 7 AND A HALF FEET.

OR LOTS LESS THAN 60 FEET WIDTH.

>> THIS IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO ACTUALLY JACKSON WITH THE

DRIVEWAY. >> IT'S VERY CLOSE TO IT.

THAT'S MY BEST GUESS. >> IT'S NOTICEABLY CLOSER

THAN THE HOUSE ON JACKSON. >> I BELIEVE THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THEY DESERVE A VARIANCE.

>> I THOUGHT I WOULD SAY MORE ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS. MR. AND MRS. PUSY TO THE NOT, THEY DID STATE THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A GOOD SIZABLE HOME. THEY SAW THE 1478 SQUARE FEET AND THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST ONE STORY.

AND THERE WOULD BE A SECOND STORY ON IT.

THEY ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING AT LEAST A SIZABLE HOME THERE. THE REASON I ASKED ANT THEIR LOT. THEY BELIEVE DAY ARE ON THE CORNER AS WELL. THEY MAY WANT TO KNOCK DOWN THEIR HOUSE AND BUILD A NEW HOUSE AND THEY WOULD LIKE THE SET BACK. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT AND RESPOND TO THAT. EACH REQUEST STANDS ON THEIR OWN. THAT'S THEIR THINKING.

AND I THINK MR. LAWER WHO LIVED ACROSS ACROSS JEFFERSON. I THINK THEIR HOUSE IS SET BACK MORE THAN 25 FEET. I THINK HE WAS ONLY LOOKING AT THAT AND DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE.

I THINK THAT'S HIS CONSIDERATION.

I WAS CLEAR THAT IT WASN'T THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT.

THAT IT WAS THE CORNER LOT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

I THOUGHT I WOULD MAKE CLEAR THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH

THE NEIGHBORS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM

THE BOARD? >> IS THAT EVERYONE?

>> DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ARCHITECT?

OR ARE YOU ALL GOOD. >> I PERSONALLY DON'T.

>> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS SUBJECT?

>> ONE MORE COMMENT. >> IF I COULD COME BACK AROUND. I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS ILLUSTRATION MY QUESTION WOULD BE THE CINDERBLOCK HOUSE TO THE WEST. WHAT IS THAT LIKE 1500 SQUARE FEET? I CAN'T QUITE READ IT.

>> THE ONE THAT THE OTHER LOT.

>> YES. >> IT'S SORT OF AN UNFAIR ILLUSTRATION IN THAT HOUSE IS ONE OF THE SMALLEST HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF ONE WAS TO LOOK AT THE TWO DESIGNS, YOU WOULD THINK GOD YOU ARE PUTTING IN A HOUSE TWICE AS BIG, POSSIBLY.

SO I DO RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S NOT A REAL FAIR COMPARISON LOOKING AT THE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK YOU THAT I COULDN'T QUITE READ, WHAT WOULD BE THE TRIANGLE BE IN THE BACKYARD? WHAT WOULD THAT MEASUREMENTS

BE ON THAT? >> WELL, THE POOL ITSELF IS 19 WIDE. I WOULD HAVE 7 AND A HALF FOOT SET BACKS ON THE SIDE. CLOSER TO CORNER IT'S HARDER TO HAVE A POOL OR ANYTHING BACK THERE.

>> THE LARGEST PART YOU WOULD SAY IS 19 FEET --

>> 19 FEET. MAYBE AS IT GETS SMALLER

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AS IT GETS SMALLER, 30 TO 20 TO TEN TO NORTHING.

>> OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT. HAVE A RECORD ALSO.

>> THANK YOU. >> RICHARD, OVER THE YEARS I'VE BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBOR.

AND IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY HOUSES HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN

AND REPLACED. >> THE PLAN IS TO TAKE DOWN THE ONE NEXT TO IT ALSO SO I DOESN'T SMALL HOUSE IN THIS HOUSE. WE REALLY WANT TO TAKE THEM BOTH AND KNOCK OUT THE TREES TOO.

>> THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION I HAVE.

IS THIS DOUBLE LOT -- ARE YOU ABLE TO BUILD ONE HOME ON THIS DOUBLE LOT? BUT NOT PER THIS PROCEEDING HERE. IF YOU OWN TWO LOTS SIDE BY SIDE, YOU CAN BUILD A HOUSE CROSSING THAT.

>> OKAY. >> YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME TO THE ZONING BOARD TO PRESENT THAT YOU ARE BUILDING ONE HOME IN A DOUBLE LOT.

>> JUST TALK ABOUT THAT. THE PERSON WHO SOLD IT TO ME SOLD IT TO ME FOR TWO LOTS. I TAKE EACH LOT AS ITS OWN PLAN. I FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN -- IF IT'S TRIANGLE LOT I HOPE THERE'S FORGIVENESS BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF LOT.

NOT SAYING WE COMBINE THEM BOTH TOGETHER.

THEN IT'S TWO LOTS. I'M JUST TAKING IT AS ONE

LOT. >> MY POINT BEING.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO SIT HERE AND GIVE YOU A VARIANCE BASED ON THIS ILLUSTRATION. AND THEN YOU BASICALLY COME BACK AND BUILD ONE HOME THAT COMES BACK AND TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE VARIANCE. I WUNTHD DO THAT.

MY PLAN IS TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT LOTS GOING

FORWARD. >> I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT EVERYONE THINKS ABOUT MEGAN'S COMMENT ABOUT YOU KNOW PUSHING IF HOUSE BACK SOMEWHAT ON THE LOT SO PERHAPS IT'S NOT SUCH A BIG SET BACK FROM WHAT IT TYPICALLY IS. AND I DON'T KNOW.

THE CURRENT GARAGE AS HE HAS IT IS 22 FOOT.

IS THAT TYPICAL FOR TWO-CAR GARAGE TO BE 22 FEET.

A SMALL TWO-CAR GARAGE IS 400 SQUARE FEET.

>> YOU COULD ACTUALLY -- MY GARAGE WHERE I PARK MY CAR IS 20 FEET. IT'S FRONT TO BACK YOU'RE

TALKING ABOUT? >> FRONT TO BACK.

OUR GOAL TO FIND A WAY TO GET A HOUSE ON THE LOT.

WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A HARDSHIP HERE.

BUT TO MAKE SURE WE DO WHAT IS FAIR TO YOU AND WHAT'S FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

I'M ASKING THE QUESTIONS TO SEE, WHAT CAN WE POSSIBLY DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE FIVE PEOPLE HERE AND YOU KNOW FOUR FOR PASSAGE. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO. COULD I PUT A SECOND STORY

WE DID THAT ON THE GARAGE? >> WE'RE STILL PUSHING.

HIKE TEN FT. ON THE GARAGE. WHAT I WAS THINKING OF THE REASON I MENTION MOVING THE HOUSE BACK IS THAT I WAS TRYING TO ALSO THINK THROUGH THE RAINFALL YOU OF 40% AND CREATE A SITUATION WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE -- YOU COULD HAVE WALKWAY AROUND THE POOL THAT ALSO SO YOU COULD ENTER THE HOUSE AND HAVE A LOVE I WILL POOL TO THE SIDE.

KEEP THE GARAGE WHERE YOU HAVE THE IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL WHICH IS NOT FUN TO WALK ON IN BARE FEET.

HAVE THAT CLOSER TO THE ROAD WHERE YOU ALSO WOULD NEED

LESS MATERIAL. >> LESS DRIVEWAY.

>> WITH THIS CURRENTLY SET UP WITH YOU KNOW 40%.

YOU ONLY COULD HAVE 2564 SQUARE FEET OF PERVIOUS

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THAT LIVES YOU 536 SQUARE FEET.

IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE DECKING OF 3 FEEL AROUND FOUR SIDES THAT'S ANOTHER 2 88. IST JUST RUNNING THROUGH THE NUMBERS AND YOU HAVEN'T PUT A WALKWAY TO THE FRONT DOOR.

YES, I WOULD -- I'M THINKING I WOULD DO THE PERVIOUS PAVERS. I WOULD HAVE TO KEEP IT TO THE CODE. MAKE SURE IT'S 40% NO MATTER WHAT. THAT'S JUST I WON'T BE ABLE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT EITHER WAY.

>> I WOULD MAKE SURE. >> ESSENTIALLY WE'RE APPROVING THE CHANGE OF SET BACK NOT APPROVING

ARCHITECTURAL PLAN. >> RIGHT.

>> I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THIS IS TENTATIVE PLAN.

WHATEVER PLAN YOU USE YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SET BACK

REDUCED. >> CORRECT.

>> THIS IS NOT MR. OSSI, ONE THING YOU SAID IS THIS SOMETHING YOU ARE WILLING TO LOOK AT DOING 15-FOOT SET BACK WITH THE HOUSE AT 20 FEET INSTEAD OF THE 15 FEET?

>> FIVE FOOT DIFFERENTIAL ON THE HOUSE FROM REQUIRED SET BACK AND TEN-FEET DIFFERENTIAL OF THE GARAGE.

GARAGE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT FORWARD OF THE HOUSE AND THEN PUT A SECOND STORY ON THAT GARAGE.

YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A VARIANCE REQUEST OF 20-FOOT SET BACK FOR THE HOUSE AND 15-FOOT SET BACK FOR THE GARAGE. WHICH IS WHAT YOU -- YOU'RE

ASKING. >> YOU SAY I GET THE 15 ON TO GARAGE BUT STILL HAVE FIVE FEET FOR THE HOUSE.

>> I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT.

YOU MAY BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THAT.

I'M REALLY -- MY HANDS -- ANYTHING THAT WOULD HELP ME TO GIVE ME AT LEAST A BACKYARD FOR THESE PEOPLE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ALL STAND ON HOW IT LOOKS NOW.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS IF YOU DON'T GET THE POOL IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT PASS OR SOMETHING?

>> >> WHERE ARE OTHERS ON THIS?

>> THE REASON I SAY HAVE THE HOUSE TEN FEET HAVING IT 25 FEET BACK, IS THEN YOU COULD PULL THE POOL IN THE FRONT.

IF YOU MOVE THE HOUSE FIVE FEET YOU GOBBLED UP THE SPACE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE POOL.

>> I THINK BETTER TO HAVE BACKYARD THAN THE FRONT

YARD. >> EXAM WITH TWO STORY HOUSE. THERE'S A SET BACK FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE POOL. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN DO LIKE A SIX-FOOT FENCE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK WITH THE POOL. I'VE NEVER DONE A FRONT YARD POOL. I PERSONALLY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE LAYOUT AS IT IS.

>> IT'S NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE.

>> YOU HAVE A VOTE. >> I HAVE A VOTE, YES.

>> I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE LAYOUT AS IS PROPOSED.

>> MY SQUARE FOOT IS THE HARDSHIP; RIGHT?

THE SIZE OF THE LOT? >> 6300 SQUARE FOOT LOT IS A

HARDSHIP, YES. >> AND THE SHAPE OF IT AS WELL. AND THE SHAPE OF IT IS

HARDSHIP. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

>> ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD MEMBERS?

>> ANYBODY WANT TO SAY SOMETHING WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING? I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE

THOUGHTS ARE. >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH

THIS FILING THE WAY IT IS. >> I COULD SAY ONE MORE THING. HOW DOES HE GET JEFFERSON A ADDRESS FOR A HOME THAT WILL BE SITTING 95%.

IT WILL BE A GOLF VIEW ADDRESS.

>> IT USED TO BE ONE LOT. DO I HEAR A MOTION?

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PVZVAR 2021-13-31 JEFFERSON AVENUE. REQUEST FOR ZONING VARIANCE TO SECTION 3 BE, ONE OF THE-PERFECT ZONING DISTRICT REGULATION TO ALLOW SECOND FRONT YARD SET BACK OF 15 FEET AND REMOVE OF 25 FOOT REQUIREMENT.

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>> DO I HEAR A SECOND? >> IS EVERYBODY READY TO

[2. PVZVAR 2022-01 A1A N (061564-0010). Request for a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.G of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations to allow for the Southern Building Restriction Line of 25 feet to be reduced to 7.5 feet with a condition of increasing the Western Building Restriction Line from 7.5 feet to 25 feet. ]

VOLT? >> SEE IF WE COME UP WITH

THE SAME ANSWER? >> MINE ARE BLINKING.

>> OKAY. GOT APPROVED 4-1.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PVZVAR 2022-01 A1A NORTH. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IF WE'VE HAD ANY VISITATION TO THE SITE AND DISCUSSION WITH

ANYONE? >> I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. I DID NOT SPEAK WITH ANYONE.

AND I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

>> I VISITED THE SITE. >> I VISITED THE SITE AND

DIDN'T SPEAK TO ANYONE. >> I VISITED WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE SITE. I'M NOT SURE I VISITED THE RIGHT SIDE. I KNOW WHERE IT IS.

>> ERIK? >> I HAVE NO CONTACT AND

HAVEN'T VIEWED THE SITE. >> STAFF DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS BEFORE THE PRESENTATION?

>> NO, SIR. >> READY FOR THE

PRESENTATION. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME

AND ADDRESS. >> HELLO MY MAIN THE ROSS FANTI. I'M LIVING 1419 FOURTH AVENUE NORTH IN JACKSONVILLE BEACH.

I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER OF 0A15 NORTH.

I ALSO HAVE DIFFICULTY FINDING THE SITE TOO BECAUSE THERE'S NO GOOD LANDMARKS. I WANT TO THANK THE BOARD FOR HEARING ME TODAY. I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER.

I GREW UP IN PONTE VEDRA BEACH.

MY WIFE AND I WE'RE EXPECTING FIRST CHILD AND LOOK TO GET BACK TO PONTE VEDRA AS WELL AS MY FATHER LOOK TO BUILD A HOUSE NEXT TO US ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL. WE PURCHASED THE LOT ABOUT A YEAR AGO. AND UPON DISCOVERY, WE REALIZED THAT THE LOT ACTUALLY HAS A 25-FOOT BRL, ON WHAT I CALL THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IN RELEVANCE TO -- WE HAVE A1A HERE. HERE'S THE PROPERTY ITSELF.

WHEN WE -- DURING THE SURVEY, WE REALIZED THERE WAS A 25-FOOT BRL ON THE SIDE.

THAT WAS ODD TO US. THEN WE FOUND OUT THE REASON WHY THERE'S A 25 FOOT BRL FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAT MAP FROM 1946. ABOUT 75 YEARS AGO.

WITH THE ORIGINAL INTENTION OF HAVING I BELIEVE SEVERAL SIDE STREETS GOING UP AND DOWN CONNECT ADJACENT TO A1A. OF COURSE THAT WAS NOT THE CASE BEHIND THE PROPERTY AS THE SUMMERFIELD NEIGHBORHOOD. WITH THE REMAINING SECTION OF THAT ROAD, IS I BELIEVE OWNED BY THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW. HOWEVER, THAT 25-FOOT BRL IS STILL IN PLACE. AFTER HAVING MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. SMITHED WHO HAS BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, WE PUT IN A REQUEST FOR VARIANCE. AND WE ASKED NOT TO TAKE MORE ADVANTAGE OR TAKE UP SPACE.

WE REQUEST TO ADJUST THE SIDE OR SOUTHERN BRL FROM 25 FEET TO THE STANDARD 7 AND A HALF FOOT SET BACK AND IN RETURN MAKE THE REAR SET BACK WHICH IS TO MY UNDERSTANDING WHICH IS CURRENTLY 7 AND A HALF FEET MAKE THAT THE 25-FOOT REAR SET BACK.

THAT'S MORE BENEFICIAL FOR US FOR THE LAYOUT OF THE HOME. AND ALSO AFTER TALKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS I FEEL MORE BENEFICIAL TO THEM.

BECAUSE THAT'S LESS OF AN ENCROACHMENT TO THEIR PROPERTY AS WELL. ESSENTIALLY ASKING FOR A SWITCH OF SOME SORT FROM 25 FOOT SIDE BRL TO 25 FOOT

REAR BRL. >> QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

>> FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA. I HAVE A QUESTION.

BASICALLY FOR THE COUNTY. THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE A ROAD HERE. AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.

HAS THE COUNTY CONSIDERED CONDEMNING THE PROPERTY AND GIVING IT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ADJACENT TO THIS LAND?

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>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE'S NO INTENT TO BUILD A ROAD THERE. IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE BASICALLY AT THIS POINT. BEYOND THAT, I'M NOT PRIVY TO ANY INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN AT THAT PROPERTY. IT IS POSSIBLE TECHNICALLY I SUPPOSE FOR SOMEONE TO REQUEST A VACATION OF THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE REASON IT HASN'T WITHIN VACANT. EVERYONE HAS SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT THIS PIECE OF LAND.

I WAS BRINGING IT UP. I THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE WHILE IS EVERYBODY LOOKING AT IT NOT TO HOLD VARIANCE UP BUT TO MAYBE START THE WHEELS ON THE MOTION IF THEY COULD -- UNLESS YOU DON'T

WANT THE LAND. >> I ABSOLUTELY DO.

I GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING THAT.

I DID INQUIRE. I SPOKE TO AND I FORGET HER NAME. I BELIEVE ONE OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS. PART OF THAT PARCEL IS USED AS THE UTILITY EASEMENT. THEY BASICALLY SAID BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU'RE NOT GOING -- TRUST ME.

I THOUGHT OF IT. I WOULD LIKE TO.

BUT ESSENTIALLY THE RESPONSE FROM THE COUNTY WAS NO

BECAUSE OF THAT UTILITIES. >> THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE BOARD/COUNTY.

GIVEN THAT IT'S A UTILITY EASEMENT EVEN THOUGH HE'S GENEROUS IN SAYING, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE 7 AND A HALF AGAINST SHOULD IT BE REQUIRED TO DO IS SWAP.

EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE 7 AND A HALF FEET.

I DON'T SEE THE NECESSITY OF HIM HAVING TO RESTRICT HIMSELF WHAT I WILL CALL THE REAR OR THE WEST SIDELINE OF

HIS PROPERTY. >> YES, MA'AM.

THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT. IT REALLY WAS AN OFFER TO GET THE RECONFIGURATION DONE.

WE'RE TRYING TO PRETEND LIKE THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY IS NOT THERE. ANY OTHER HOME WOULD HAVE A TIP KWAL 25-FOOT 7 AND A HALF 125-FOOT SET BACK.

AND THE REQUEST IS ESSENTIALLY TO NORMALIZE THIS LOT. IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THE NORM IF IT HAS 25-NOT SET BACK AND THEN 37 AND A HALF FOOT SIDE YARDS.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> YOU JUST STOLE MY QUESTION. WHAT WILL WE DO WITH THE

PIECE OF LAND? >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT IN

RELATION TO THIS ITEM? >> YOU HAVE TO COME UP AND

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> JIM HOWARD.

109 ACTUALSFORD PLACE. LOT 28 SUMMERFIELD.

WE'RE RIGHT IN BEHIND MR. FANTY KIND OF SHARE BEHIND THERE. COUPLE OF THINGS.

THE CUTS OFF O515. WE'VE LIVED IN OUR HOME FOR 30 YEARS. WE KNOW THE HOME WELL.

THERE'S THREE CUTS. THERE'S ONE ON THE EXTREME NORTH END OF SUMMERFIELD. THERE'S ONE ADJACENT TO MR. FANTY'S PROPERTY AND THEN THERE'S ONE ANOTHER 150 FEET TO THE SOUTH. WHATEVER YOU DECIDE GOING FORWARD. IF YOU MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO HOMEOWNER IT'S NOT JUST TWO HOMEOWNERS IT'S POTENTIALLY LIKE SIX. JUST TO EXPLAIN THAT.

I THINK I'M ONE OF THE BACK NEIGHBORS ON WHAT HE REQUEST TO FLIP THE 7 AND A HALF. WE'RE ALL FOR OBVIOUSLY DOING THE 7 FLIPPING THIS. AND HAVING A 25 ALONG OUR FENCE LINE. MY NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH IS IN AGREEMENT. HE'S NOT HERE.

BUT TO HAVE 7 AND A HALF AND 7 AND A HALF AGAINST THE FENCE. I DON'T THINK THAT, THAT'S

FAIR. >> YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE THE FORECAST? 82 -- SEPARATION.

>> YES, SIR. >> ANY DISCUSSION A. AMONGS

THE BOARD MEMBERS? >> DO I HEAR A MOTION?

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>> I MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE PVZVAR 2022-01A15 NORTH REQUEST FOR ZONING VARIANCE SECTION 8G OF THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATION TO ALLOW SOUTHERN BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE OF 25 FEET TO BE REDUCED TO 7.5 WITH THE CONDITION OF INCREASING THE WESTERN

[3. PVZVAR 2022-2 Wise Residence Fence. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.N of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations to allow for a six (6) foot fence along the southern property boundary in lieu of the four (4) foot requirement. ]

>> I SECOND. >> EVERYBODY READY TO VOTE?

>> IT'S UNANIMOUS. IT'S BEEN APPROVED.

CONGRATULATIONS. STAFF REPORT?

>> MR. CHAIR, IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE WE DID GO OVER AGENDA ITEM NO. 3. BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A FORMAL NOTION TO CONTINUE UNTIL APRIL 4TH?

>> COULD WE DO THAT, PLEASE, SIR.

>> WE COULD DO THAT. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO CONTINUED THE ITEM ON NUMBER 3 TO THE APRIL 4 LITTLE

MEETING. >> CAN I MAKE A COMMENT.

THERE'S BEEN TWO SIGNS PUT ON THAT PROPERTY TO NOTIFY FOR THE VARIANCE. EVERY TIME HAS BEEN PUT THERE IT HAS BEEN MOVED TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

THERE'S BEEN NO NOTIFICATION OF WHAT I CALL -- THE HOUR AFTER SOMEONE PUTS THE SIGN THERE AND THEN SOMEONE MOVES IT TO THE SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE.

ITS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THE SIGN WASN'T THERE.

I HAD SOMEONE GO OUT THERE AND PLACE IT AGAIN.

>> IMMEDIATELY IT WAS MOVED. >> BOTH OF THEM ARE AT THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T TOO MUCH CONTROL OF WHERE THAT SIGN ENDS UP.

>> CAN SOMEONE TALK TO HOMEOWNER ABOUT THE REQUIREMENT OF IT BEING VISIBLE.

IS IT REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE SO

PEOPLE CAN SEE IT. >> THEN I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HEAR THE MOTION AT ALL UNTIL THE REQUIRED NOTIFICATION PERIOD OF THAT SIGN BEING VISIBLE IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. I THINK THE HOMEOWNER NEEDS

TO KNOW THAT. >> IF I MADE ADD.

WHAT'S THE TIME PERIOD THAT SIGN HAS TO BE DISPLAYED?

>> GENERALLY SPEAKING THE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENT IS

15 BUSINESS DAYS. >> PARDON ME?

>> 15 BUSINESS DAYS. >> WELL, MY FEELING WOULD BE WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO RESTART THAT CLOCK.

MAYBE THAT FALLS INTO THAT. .

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>> I WOULD DEFER TO APRIL 4TH.

AND TELL HER THIS ITEM BUT BETTER BE IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE OR WE WILL TURN HER DOWN.

DO I HEAR A MOTION TO DELAY UNTIL APRIL 4TH SNM

>> MOVE TO DEFER TO APRIL 4TH.

>> SECOND. >>> WE HAVE A SECOND.

IT'S BEEN APPROVED. ANY OTHER STAFF REPORTS?

YES, SIR. >> AND I KNOW THE BOARD HAS A FEW ITEMS THAT CERTAINLY WILLING TO SPEAK ON AS WELL.

WE HAVE FIVE AGENDA ITEMS FOR UPCOMING APRIL 4TH MEETING INCLUDING THE CONTINUED ITEM THAT WE JUST DID FOR THE VARIANCE. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF IS THAT BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF

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NOTHING TOO CRAZY. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

>>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR. >> FIRST ITEM FOR DISCUSSION, CHAIN-LINK FENCES.

I WILL GET THIS STARTED. ACCORDING TO OUR REGULATION CHAIN-LINK FENCES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN ANY REQUIREMENT FRONT YARD. BUT OVER THE YEARS WE'VE ALLOWED THEM ON CONSTRUCTION SIDES ON TEMPORARY BASIS.

INTERESTING ASPECT AS CONSTRUCTION SIGN AREN'T DEFINED AND TEMPORARY BASIS NOT DEFINED.

AND THE FACT THAT WE ALLOWED THEM TO BE THERE ON THE TEMPORARY BASIS IS NOT DEFINED.

EXAMPLE VACANT CLEARED LOT CONSTRUCTION SITE.

AND HOW LONG IT'S TEMPORARY. BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF TEMPORARY FENCE CHAIN-LINK FENCES.

IT'S INTERESTING SINCE THE 90S WE HAD A XHAN LINK FENCE AT MICHAEL BEACH PARKING LOT.

FOR NOW 26 OR 27 YEARS WE AS THE COUNTY HAVE HAD A CHANGE

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ON CONSTRUCTION SITE TECHNICALLY CHAIN-LINK FENCES ARE NOTREE CHOIRED. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION ON OSHA, ONE AREA SAYS THEY HAVE TO BE FOUR FEET HIGH. ANOTHER SHOULD BE SIX-FEET HIGH. GENERALLY 6-ANOTHER FENCE AND THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY'S INSURANCE COMPANY. AND OTHERS ASPECT YOU COULD RENT A CHAIN-LINK FENCE. KIND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE OF THROWING AWAY FENCES VERSES JUST RETURNING TO RENTAL PLACE. BUT WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SHOULD WE DO ABOUT CHAIN-LINK FENCES. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I THINK THERE'S ONE VACANT LOT THAT HAD CHAIN-LINK FENCE FOR TWO YEARS. OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

>> THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR STAFF.

IF WE FIND THAT PERSON, WE UNDERSTAND, AND THEY ARE PAYING THE FINE, DO WE HAVE ANY ABILITY WITH THE COUNTY CODE TO HAVE THE COUNTY REMOVE ALL OF THAT STRUCTURE? AND BUILD IN FOR THE

REMOVAL? >> YES, SIR.

JUST SO I'M ON THE RIGHT PAGE HERE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE PARTICULAR LOT AND MAYBE I COULD GET WHAT LOT

REAR TALKING ABOUT? >> I THINK THAT PARTICULAR LOT IS WHAT CAUSED QUESTION TO ARISE.

>> 26 PONTE VEDRA CIRCLE I BELIEVE IT IS.

>> YEAH, I THINK SO. >> THIS IS THE LOT THAT GAVE RISE TO THE TREE ORDINANCE. THE OWNER CAME IN WITHOUT ANY WARNING AND CUT DOWN LARGE GROUP OF OLD OAKS.

WHEN THE COMPLAINTS STARTIN COMING IN, THE OWNER FENCED THE PROPERTY AND IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE UNATTENDED FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS. MAYBE THREE.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE PROVISION FOR CHAIN-LINK FENCES IS QUITE CLEAR; RIGHT? WE HAVE THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING REGULATION WHICH IS THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS REGULATION.

SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY SHOULD BE DISCUSSED IS FACT THATOVER LAY REGULATION ARE NOT APPLICABLE TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT, THE EXISTENCE OF CHAIN-LINK FENCE IS NOT OUT OF COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THAT'S MORE COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY.

>> ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THAT IT'S A SIX-FOOT FENCE.

IF THEY HAD A FOUR-FOOT CHAIN-LINK FENCE, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. CHAIN LINK AGAINSTS ARE ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL IN PROPERTY.

PEOPLE HAVE CHAIN-LINK FENCES BETWEEN -- THEY ARE NOT TOTALLY COMMON BETWEEN HOUSES THAT ARE FOUR FEET HIGH. BUT IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA ON THE -- FROM THAT PAGE 39 OF OUR FOCUS IS CHAIN LINK BARBED WIRE AND SIMILAR FENCING YOU KNOW IS NOT ALLOWED. AND SHOULD NOT BE PHYSICAL FROM ANY OVERLAY DISTRICT DELINEATED ROADWAY.

IN THIS CASE, IF WE GET OUR OROVERLAY DISTRICT MAP, WE CAN DEFINE WHAT AREAS FOR CONSTRUCTION SITES, LIKE THE PONTE VEDRA CLUB IS DOING SOME CONSTRUCTION AND THEY PUT A GREENWOODEN FENCE IN FRONT OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION AREA. THE MARRIOT HAD SIX-FEET CHAIN-LINK FENCE IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY.

AND ALSO ACROSS THE STREET AROUND THE ENCLOSED CONSTRUCTION AREA. ALSO 965 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD WHERE THERE'S A CHAIN-LINK FENCE.

>> AGAIN THROUGH THE CHAIR, AGAIN, SIR, COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS GOING ON RIGHT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TO THE POINT OF THE 6-FOOT RESIDENTIAL FENCE.

IF THOSE FOLKS ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WHICH CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE THAT ARE BASED ON FENCE HEIGHT, I'M NOT PARTICULARLY AWARE OF THE STATUS OF THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE. TYPICALLY CODE ENFORCEMENT COMES TO ME ON A REGULAR BASIS.

I CAN CHECK INTO THAT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT IS. IT'S POSSIBLE IF THEY PAY THE FIND THEY SORT OF REMAIN IN THAT SITUATION.

TO MR. GRAHAM'S QUESTION I QUESTION AND SEE THE

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AND THEN AS WE MOVE ON, WHICH IS REALLY PROBABLY THE BIGGEST TOPIC RIGHT IS OVERLAY AND CHAIN-LINK FENCES ON THESE CONSTRUCTION SITES.

I DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE THE BACK HISTORY MYSELF.

AS I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND PONTE VEDRA FOR ALL THAT LONG. BUT I HAVE TALKED TO OTHER STAFF MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

GENERALLY SPEAKING THEY ECHO WHAT THE CHAIR STARTED OUT THIS CONVERSATION WITH IS THAT TYPICALLY SPEAKING ON A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION BASIS CHAIN-LINK FENCES HAVE BEEN ALLOWED. AND SO THE PROVISION IN THE CODE IS ACTUALLY ONE ABOVE THE PROHIBITION ON CHAIN LINK ACROSS THE TECHNICAL ENGINEERS AND OTHERWISE OUR INTERPRETATION OF THAT IS THAT IN FACT CHAIN-LINK FENCES ARE ALLOWED ON TEMPORARY BASIS WHEN PROPERLY APPROVED OTHERWISE. THE FENCE IS NOT A STRUCTURE. WE KNOW FENCES ARE TYPICALLY NOT REGULATED BY THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT STRUCTURES. I WOULD ARGUE THAT YOU CAN'T -- COW CAN'T USE PARAGRAPH SIX.

BECAUSE THE PERMIT ARE AREN'T REQUIRED FOR FENCES.

THEY ARE NOT STRUCTURES. CHAI CHAIN-LINK FENCES AREN'T ALLOWED.

>> WHEN WE REALLY LOOK AT THE WHOLE OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT REGULATIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SITE DESIGN FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN I HATE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW THIS IS MY OPINION OF IT. I'M JUST ONE PERSON WHO IS TERMED THIS. I'VE TALKED WITH STAFF WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY FOR 15 YEARS.

HAVE WE HAD A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT TO MAKE PEOPLE PUT WOOD FENCES UP ON A TEMPORARY BASIS FOR CONSTRUCTION SITES? I HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY TELL ME THAT'S EVER BEEN OUR PROCEDURE.

IT'S AN UNDERSTANDABLE REQUEST.

BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT THE AT ANESTHETICS OF THE AREA.

I COMPLETELY GET THAT. BUT WITH HAVE A PROVISION THAT ALLOWS TEMPORARY EVEN IF WE SAY STRUCTURES ISN'T THE WORD. THE INTENT IS THAT TEMPORARY ITEMS ON CONSTRUCTION SITES ARE ALLOWED WHICH WOULD INCLUDE FENCING. PROHIBITION IS FOR FINALIZED DEVELOPED SILENT. THAT'S THE ANGLE I VIEW IT FROM. IT WOULD BE OPEN TO MODIFYING THE CODE SECTION IN ANY WAY THAT'S SUITED THE BOARD. THAT'S JUST SORT OF WHERE WE

ARE RIGHT NOW. >> KNOWING THAT I HAD CHANGING WILL FINS FOR ALMOST A YEAR.

WE BUILT THAT. THE ADVANTAGE OF CHAIN-LINK FENCE IT'S EASILY MOVABLE. IT DOES MAKE LIFE EASIER AS FAR AS BUILDING A PROJECT. THERE'S ADVANTAGE OF CHAIN-LINK FENCE AS FAR AS SECURITY GOES.

YOU CAN SEE INTO THE SITE. FROM A CONSTRUCTION PERSPECTIVE. IT'S IDEAL SOLUTION BUT THE QUESTION IS, EXAMPLE ON THE MARRIOT SITE NEXT TO THE LODGE THAT IS UP FOR I GUESS WOULD BE NINE OR TEN MONTHS.

>> IT WOULD BE THEN MID SUMMER.

BEFORE THAT THEY HAD THE OLD FENCE UP.

IT'S BEEN UP FOR A LONG TIME.

IT'S ALSO MOVABLE. I'M AS CONSTRUCTION PERSON LOOKING AT THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION.

THE MORE YOU SPEND ON FENCES THE LESS YOU SPEND ON OTHER THINGS. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE REGULATION AS FAR AS THE TENTATIVE PERIOD DEFINED AS.

>> THAT'S MY OPINION. >> I WAS GOING TO ADD ANOTHER POINT OF INFORMATION.

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THEN THEM ENFORCING IT. I COULDN'T BE YOU KNOW BIG

6-FOOT FENCE. >> YEAH.

THEY ARE UNATTRACTIVE. THEY HAVE INTER WOVEN WOOD SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE CHAIN-LINK FENCE.

THE THINK THE CONCEPT IS TO TRY TO HAVE, IF YOU WANT TO SOMETHING THAT ECO FRIENDLY. BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IT LOVELY TO LOOK AT OR NOT UGLY.

IT DOESN'T I UNDERSTAND THAT IT PROVIDES MAXIMUM VISIBILITY. CONSIDERING THE SITE IS NOT

ATTRACTIVE. >> MY COMMENT ON TEMPORARY -- IF WE LOOK AT REALISTICALLY CONSTRUCTION SIDE STARTS THEY PUT UP A SCREENED FENCE.

TEMPORARY, TO ME WOULD BE UNTIL COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT. THAT WOULD BE FOR THE SAFETY PIECE MOSTLY. THEY COME IN AND SAY PROPOSED FINISH DAY IS FEBRUARY OF '22 AND MEANWHILE IT'S PROJECT GOING ON ANOTHER YEAR.

MAYBE REAPPLY FOR CHAIN LINK PERMIT.

I THINK TEMPORARY WOULD HAVE TO MEAN UNTIL THE COMPLETION

OF THE PROJECT. >> I THINK IT'S JUST VINYL INSERTS. THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A GOOD COMPROMISE. THEN HAVING THEM BILLBOARD ON BOARD FENCES WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

I THINK THERE'S ETHERE'S ROOM TO COMPROMISE.

IT'S A MORE PERMANENT LOOKING FENCE.

THAT'S MY COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, JOHN.

AS I LOOK AT THE ZONING REGULATIONS.

I DO BELIEVE THE INTENT OF THIS PROVISION WAS AT ANESTHETIC FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO YOU MENTIONED THE REQUIREMENT OF INSURANCE COMPANIES REQUIRE SIX-FOOT CHAIN-LINK FENCE.

THEY ARE USED BY A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES.

WE'RE STARTING TO SEE CONSTRUCTION DRAG ON AND ON.

I WOULD AGREE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD SAY TEMPORARIY IS THIS LONG. IT'S FOR THE DURATION UNTIL THEY ARE PERMITTED TO OCCUPY THE STAFF.

I BELIEVE WE TRIED TO PUTTING THIS IN THERE THAT WOULD BE AT THETCALLY PLEASING TO THE COMMUNITY.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE PROVISION BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE SOMETHING TO FACE -- TO PUT A FACE ON THE CHAIN-LINK FENCE. I'M NOT SURE IF WE COULD DETERMINE WHAT THE MATERIALS ARE.

I BELIEVE THE INTENT NOT HAVE CHAIN-LINK FENCES DURING CONSTRUCTION OR NOT DURING CONSTRUCTION.

FACING OUR PRIMARY ROADWAYS. THAT'S MY OPINION.

>> WOULD WE THEN FOR LET'S SAY PARAGRAPH 7, WE HAVE CHAIN-LINK FENCE. SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED.

ANHER SENTENCE WOULD HAVE TO BE CRAFTED THAT SAID FOR CONSTRUCTION SITE IT'S BEENS A THETCALLY MODIFIED.

IF I COULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.

IF WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR, FOR THIS BOARD TODAY IF EVERYBODY WAS SO AGREEABLE, WE NEED FOUR OF YOU ALL; IS TO DIRECT STAFF BASICALLY TO WALK DOWN THE PROCESS; RIGHT. SO WE CAN START THE PROCESS TO CONSIDER INSERTING LANGUAGE TO THE OVERLAY

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THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT DOWN THE PATH AND GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURES IT TAKES TO AMEND THE CODE.

THE QUESTION GETS BACK TO THE BEACH PARKING LOT.

THAT'S A CHAIN-LINK FENCE. WOULD WE THEN BE REQUIRING OURSELVES TO MAKE THE FENCE ATTRACTIVE?

>> I HAVE THAT NOTED. OUR SCHOOLS HAVE CHAIN-LINK FENCES. IF YOU LOOK AT PVPV RAWLINGS. THEY HAVE A CHAIN-LINK FENCE ON THE ROADWAY. I TALKED WITH SOMEONE ELSE ABOUT IT. IT'S A GOVERNMENT FACILITY.

BUT THE OVERLAY DISTRICT GO WITHIN 600 FEET ACROSS A1A.

I UNDERSTAND FROM TALKING TO SEVERAL OTHERS THAT GOVERNMENT FACILITIES ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS REQUIREMENT. MAYBE YOU COULD HELP ME WITH

THAT. >> I'M NOT PARTICULARLY AWARE OF SUCH A PROVISION. WE'VE REQUIRED OTHER GOVERNMENT FACILITIES FIRE STATION TO TO SEE OVERLAY REVIEW BOARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR SCHOOLS.

I WILL CHECK INTO THE BEACH PARKING.

>> THE INTERESTING ASPECT OF THE BIKER BEACH PARKING LOT IS THAT MOST OF THE PARKING LOT I DON'T THINK IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY. IT'S OWNED BY THE PLANTATION BEACH CLUB. AS THE CONCESSION TO CLOSE THE ROAD, PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD IN THAT AREA THEY ALLOWED THE COUNTY TO USE THEIR LAND AND AGAIN THIS HAPPENED IN HAPPENED IN '94 OR '95.

I'M NOT FRESH ON THE MEMORY. IT'S NOT ALL THE COUNTY'S LAND. MEGAN HAS SOMETHING FOR US.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS IS THE MAP OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT. IF YOU LOOK HERE THE SCHOOL I'M NOT -- THE SCHOOL IN YELLOW WHERE YOU ARE

POINTING. >> BOTH SIDE OF THE ROAD IS

IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT. >> THERE'S SOME STREETS THAT UTILITY STATIONS HAVE CHAIN LINK?

>> I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT TOO.

OKAY. JACON, I WOULD LIKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION. CAN WE HAVE YOU LOOK INTO

THIS WHOLE THING? >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE

A MOTION. >> WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE

A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT. >> YES.

I WOULD LIKE MAKE A MOTION FOR STAFF TO DO REVIEW OF 5A-7. YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TURNING THE PAGE. Q-5A7 OF THE PONTE VEDRA OVERLAY REGULATIONS TO INVESTIGATE HOW WE WOULD ALLOW CHAIN-LINK FENCES IN FRONT YARD FOR CONSTRUCTION SIDE ON TEMPORARY BASIS BUT HAVE THEM FACED WITH SOME TYPE OF SUBSTANCE SO YOU CANNOT VIEW THE CHAIN LINK.

AND RETURN PROPOSAL FOR CONSIDERATION.

DO I HEAR A SECOND? >> OKAY.

LET'S HAVE A VOICE VOTE. >> MR. CHAIR.

>> YES. DESPITE THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO PUBLIC HERE. CAN YOU CALL FOR PUBLIC

COMMENTS FOR THE RECORD. >>

>> ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS DISCUSSION POINT?

>> HEARING NONE, LET'S PROCEED WITH VOTING.

JACOB, YOU HAVE ONE MORE JOB ASSIGNMENT.

THANK YOU. >> NEXT ITEM FOR DISCUSSION CAME UP TODAY IS ENFORCEMENT OF VARIANCES.

DISCUSSION ON TO CREATE COUNTY MECHANISM TO FOLLOW UP ON WORK PERFORMED FOR VARIANCES.

RICHARD, THIS WAS YOUR SUGGESTION.

LET'S HAVE YOU LEAD THE DISCUSSION.

>> OKAY. >> WE'VE HAD -- SINCE EYE

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WHAT I FIND OUT OVER THE MONTHS AND FOLLOWING UP ON THE PIECES OF PROPERTY, I FIND THAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY NOT DOING WHAT THEY COME NEW HERE I CALL THE NEGOTIATION.

I DON'T IF THAT'S THE LEGAL TERM YOU CAN USE.

THEY WILL SAY FINE, WE WILL GO BACK AND DO IT.

AND THEN THEY WILL JUST PAY OR PUT PAVERS DOWN.

I WAS JUST WONDERING SOMEONE WOULD BE VERY EASY TO VERIFY BECAUSE A LOT OF THE HOME BEING RENOVATED HAVE TO HAVE OCCUPANCY OKAY ON IT AND TO ME THAT WOULD BE AN EASY TIME TO HOLD UP AN OCCUPANT'S OKAY.

BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT WHAT WE OKAYED IN OUR ZONING BOARD PROCESS. AND SEE THEY'VE DONE THINGS THAT AREN'T DISCUSSED OR MODIFIED IN SOME WAY.

IF THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THEY STILL REMAIN IN THE HOUSE. I THINK THEY STILL HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT. YOU COULDN'T KEEP THEM FROM MOVING BACK IN THE HOUSE. THEY NEVER LEFT THE HOUSE.

I CAN'T GIVE A SUGGESTION WHERE WE WOULD HOLD THEM UP IF THEY MADE CHANGES AFTER OUR MEETINGS.

THEN TIED IN WITH THAT IS IMPERVIOUS PRODUCT.

THERE'S NO PREFERSIOUS MATERIAL THAT THEY CAN USE FOR PAVERS ACCORDING TO THE E-MAIL FROM THE COUNTY.

THE SUBSTREET UNDERNEATH THE PAVER THEN HAS TO BE IMPERVIOUS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE DOING IT. IT'S GOING TO BE THE WAY OF THE FUTURE. IT GIVES YOU MORE COVERAGE WITH -- YOU HAD THE DRAINAGE.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO -- IS THERE -- FIRST I WOULD ASK, IS THERE ANY VERBIAGE IN THE COUNTY DOCUMENTS THAT TALKS ABOUT IMPERVIOUS PAVERS AND PERVIOUS MATERIAL UNDERNEATH? BECAUSE SOMETIMES THAT COMBINE PERVIOUS PAVER BUT ATERIAL.THEM ON IMPERVIOUS THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO BE

CAREFUL OF. >> ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO GO WHAT YOU STARTED OFF TALKING ABOUT.

THE JACOBS DEPARTMENT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT JACOB DOESN'T HAVE INSPECTORS THAT GO OUT TO THE SILENTS AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE APPROVED AND THIS IS WHAT WAS BUILD.

THE COUNTY HAS TO HAVE PERSPECTIVE.

FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, WE WOULD HAVE A VARIANCE APPROVED HERE. EVENTUALLY THAT APPLICANT WILL COME IN AND GET WHAT THEY CALL A CLEARANCE SHEET.

ESSENTIALLY A ZONING PERMIT. THEY THEY GO TO U.S.

BUILDING PERMIT. THE BUILDING PERMIT ARE VERY SIMILAR ITEMS. WHEN THE INSPECTOR GOES OUT THERE TO CLOSE OUT THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, THEY ARE BASICALLY MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING MATCHES.

AT SOME POINT THEY HAVE EYES ON THE SITE.

IT'S NOT MYSELF HOWEVER. I'M THE ONE WHO APPROVED THE

CLEARANCE SHEET. >> THE REASON I MENTION IT.

I WAS IN A MEETING WITH HOLLY AND HOWARD WHITE AND YOUR BOSS THE GENLT LMAN IN CHARGE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT AND HUMAN RESOURCES, THEY TALK ABOUT HIRING THE PLANNER TYPE OF PERSON FOR THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT. ONE OF THE ISSUE THAT, THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHO COULD INSPECT THE PIECE OF PROMPT TO ALIGNMENT. WHAT THEY INSPECT FOR IS

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RATIOS. >> YOU ARE SORT OF STUCK BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A FORMAL STRUCTURE BY THE COUNTY SAYS YES, THIS WAS BUILT. THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH FLORIDA BUILDING CODE REGULATION.

IT HAS TO DO WITH PONTE VEDRA REGULATIONS.

THEY DECIDE TO PUT A PORCH ON.

>> THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DOES INSPECT FOR WHAT'S ON THE PLANS. NOT JUST -- AS I HAVE NEVER TAGGED ALONG WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, I CAN'T EXACTLY SAY WHAT THEY DO. BUT TO MY UNDERSTANDING THE INTENT FOR THEM TO MAKE SURE WHAT WAS APPROVED, WHAT WAS BUILT. WHAT HEY ACTUALLY DO IN THE FIELD OR HOW DETAILED THAT ARE.

I'M NOT PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION.

>> IF I MIGHT ADD I DO HAVE A CASE THAT SITS RIGHT IF IN FRONT OF ME. BUT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE CAN WE GO BACK.

I WANT TO BE COVERED. I LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY EVERY DAY AND IT WAS A BIG CHANGE AFTER WE HELD OUR MEETING HERE. AND ACTUALLY NEGOTIATED WITH THE BUILDER. IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE.

BIG SLAP IN THE PACE. THE CONCESSION WAS THE WALKWAY WOULD BE PERVIOUS. AND THE WALKWAY IS STANDARD

PAVERS. >> AM I ALLOWED TO TALK

ABOUT THE SPECIFICS? >> I THINK SO.

>> THE CONTRACTOR HAD DAMAGED THE DRIVEWAY.

CON KROOELT DRIVEWAY. THE OWNERS WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE REPLACEMENT OF PAVERS AND THEY WERE IMPERVIOUS PAVERS. AND, OF COURSE, WHEN THEY DID THE JOB, THEY TOOK IT INTO THE FRONT DOORWAY.

THEY NOT ONLY DID THE DRIVEWAY -- I DON'T THINK THEY INCREASED THE SIZE OF THE DRIVEWAY.

I KNOW THEY WENT FROM THE DRIVEWAY TO THE FRONT DOOR.

>> THE PART OF THE CONFUSION WAS UP UNTIL A FEW YEARS AGO. ALL PAVER WERE CLASS FIRED PREFERSIOUS WHEN THEY REALLY AREN'T.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT CHANGED.

THEY CLASSIFIED MINE AS PERVIOUS.

>> TWO THINGS. I HAVE REQUEST WE PULL UP THAT DECISION BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THE MOTION WAS AMENDED FOR THIS CONCESSION. I THINK WE MAY HAVE APPROVED IT. THE BUILDER SAID WE COULD DO THAT TO AMEND THE MOTION. I WOULD RECOMMEND WE PULL THAT ONE UP. THE MOTION HAD TO DO WITH A PERCENTAGE. RIGHT.

>> THEN DRVS A DISCUSSION HOW IT WOULD BE ACHIEVED.

I'M NOT SURE IF WE REALLY AMENDED THE MOTION, SO THEY HAD TO DO SOMETHING. WE APPROVED A RATIO ABOVE WH WHATS -- WHAT WAS ALLOWED

FOR THEM. >> I THOUGHT WE APPROVED 42.

THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. >> THEY MAY BE AT 42.

THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO LOOK AT VERSES EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAD TO DO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE THEY DID AROUND THE PROPERTY. I RECOMMEND THAT.

THAT WASN'T WHY I PUT THE SPEAKER ON.

I HAD THIS QUESTION. JACOB, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT FIREPLACE ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD? AND WE DID AMEND THE MOTION TO MAKE A CONCESSION WHERE THEY DIDN'T TAKE THE WHOLE THING DOWN BUT TOOK PARTIALLY DOWN? DID THEY NEED A PERMIT FOR

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>> I DO RECALL THAT CASE WHERE THEY HAD TO CHOP HALF OF IT OFF. I CANNOT RECALL IF THAT REQUIRED A CLEARANCE. I DON'T BELIEF I DID A CLEARANCE SHEET FOR THAT REVISION.

BUT THAT WAS BECAUSE THAT WAS A PRIDE CASE.

CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE. THAT WAS INSPECTED BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. I HAD DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS -- THAT IT COMPLIED TO IT.

>> USING THE PRIDE SYSTEM ON THOSE SITUATIONS 26 PONTE VEDRA CIRCLE. YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT. THAT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE NOVEMBER OF 2019. SIX MONTHS AGO THEY DID SAY THEY WOULD TRY TO GET A COURT HEARING.

THEIR ATTORNEY THEY NEVER GOT IT.

THEY ISSUED AN ADDITIONAL CITATION.

THEY HAVEN'T PAID THE FINE. THEY HAVEN'T RECTIFIED THE REGULATION AND THEY DO NOT HAVE A COURT DATE RIGHT NOW.

CODE ENFORCEMENT JUST RECENTLY.

I DIDN'T WRITE THE DATE DOWN.

CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUED ANOTHER VACATION 2-4-22.

ADDITIONAL CITATION WAS POSTED.

I SEE CODE ENFORCEMENT BEING MORE ON TOP OF THINGS.

I WILL SAY THAT SINCE WE'VE PUSHED SOME THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE REGULATION UNLESS THEY CHANGE.

>> IF SOMEONE -- IF WE APPROVE A VARIANCE AND IT DOESN'T GET FOLLOWED. IT CAN GO TO CODE

ENFORCEMENT; CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.

>> I DID WANT TO SPEAK TO MR. ENSSLEN POINT WHICH IS THE WATER RIDGE PROPERTY. THOSE FOLKS DID RECEIVE A VARIANCE. A BLANKET ZONING VARIANCE FOR A 42% IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ALLOWANCE.

IT CAME IN FOR 44. MET THEM IN THE MIDDLE.

THERE WAS NO CONDITION OR SPECIFICS TO HOW THEY GOT TO THE 42%. BUT I WILL NOTE THAT I HAVE THE APPROVED CLEARANCE SHEET HERE WITH ME.

I WILL TELL YOU THEY TOOK OFF THE SIDEWALK JUST GONE ON HERE. WHICH WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REPRESENTATIVE MENTIONED TO MAKE IT PERVIOUS OR REMOVE IT. I SAY I'M LOOKING AT YOUR NUMBERS. I SEE YOU MADE THE CHANGE AND THEN I APPROVE IT. WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT ULTIMATELY BECOMES A CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION BECAUSE AGAIN I'M NOT ON THE GROUND SEE THAT TO MAKE THAT -- TO KNOW IT WAS DONE TO CODE.

THEN THERE'S THE PIECE MISSING THERE THAT DOESN'T GO TO THE SITE. LIKE AN INSPECTOR WOULD DO.

IT'S A PERSON'S HONESTY. IF HE WILL FOLLOW WHAT WAS APPROVED OR JUST DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.

>> I DOUBT IT WOULD BE US TO GO OUT AND THEN DO A PHYSICAL REVIEW LIKE WE DO IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS. AS VOLUNTEERS WE DON'T HAVE

MUCH AUTHORITY. >> AS A CITIZEN YOU DO TO

FILE A PRIDE REPORT. >> AS THE CITIZEN YOU HAVE

EVERY RIGHT. >> IS THAT A CODE ENFORCEMENT? FROM MY MEMORY IT LOOKED LIKE THE SIDEWALK WAS SHORTER AND NARROWER THAN THE OLD SIDEWALK. I HAD PICTURES OF EVERYTHING. I DECIDED MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE WEEKS AGO. MAYBE IT WAS 42%.

JACOB JUST SAY HE APPROVED IT WITHOUT A SIDEWALK.

WAS IT AT 42? OR -- THAT'S CORRECT.

THE SILENT PLAN I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME HERE WHICH I CAN PUT UP IF YOU WANT TO SEE. IN FACT, THE PREVIOUS ITERATION HAD A SIDEWALK THE NEW ONE CAME IN AFTER THE MEETING THE SIDEWALK WAS REMOVED.

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AT LEAST WE ALL REMEMBER THE SAME THING.

THAT'S GOOD. >>> THE ONLY OTHER WAY THEY COULD HAVE ACHIEVED IT IF THEY DID SOMETHING AROUND THE POOL. BUT WE DON'T KNOW.

>> THEY STILL DID IT WITHOUT A WALKWAY.

>> OUR REAL ENFORCEMENT OF VARIANCE IS THROUGH CODE?

>> THAT'S CERTAINLY CORRECT. I WILL TALK WITH THERESA AND OUR MANAGER AS WELL AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY POSSIBILITY THAT WHETHER IT'S BUILDING OR PLANNING AND ZONING TO DO POST INFORMATION. AT SOME POINT IT DOESN'T SEE PARTICULARLY PRACTICAL. I DO A LOT OF PONTE VEDRA CLEARANCE SHEETS. POTENTIALLY IT'S POSSIBLE FOR VARIANCES POST INSPECTION.

WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.

I DON'T MIND LOOKING INTO THAT FOR YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT?

>> ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS FOR TODAY?

>> CAN I BRING UP ONE OTHER THING IF WE HAVE TIME.

IF WE GET OUT AT 4:21. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE

AFTERNOON OFF. >> I THINK IT WILL TAKE FIVE MINUTES. SINCE JACOB GAVE US AN ELEGANT WAY. VERY QUICKLY, WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE DOLPHIN COVE CLEARANCE SIDE A1A.

THEY HAD DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE FRONT PART OF THEIR PROPERTY FOR GAS STATION AND A CAR WASH AND THEY GOT A PERMIT TO CLEAR THE REST OF THAT 22 ACRES.

BUT APPARENTLY, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO GET THE PERMIT JUST BY STAMPING THEIR PLANS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO WHO LOOK THROUGH THE REGULATION.

IT LOOKS LIKE THEY COULD DO THAT.

YOU COULD HAVE ANY ACREAGE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHERE YOU COULD JUST STAMP FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND CLEAR-CUT OF ALL TREES. EVEN IF SIT WETLANDS.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO STAFF LOOK INTO THIS. IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT ANYONE IN THE COUNTY CAN STAMP A PLAN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND CLEAR-CUT IT AND CLEAR IT WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHAT WILL GO ON IT.

NOTIFYING ANY NEIGHBORS THERE'S NO NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS OF PERMIT FOR CLEARING LAND.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.

I WOULD PROBABLY THEN PROPOSE A CHANGE TO OUR REGULATIONS. THAT SHOULD SEND CHILLS UP THE SPINE OF ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONER AND EVERYONE ON EVERY ZONING BOARD. THAT LAND HAD BEEN CLEARED ONCE BEFORE. AND ALL OF THAT GROWTH IS SUBSEQUENT TO A PRIOR CLEARING AND IT WAS DONE AT OR ABOUT THE TIME WHEN THE TALBOT -- THE PONTE VEDRA SHOPS WERE BUILT AND THEY ANTICIPATED DOING ADDITIONAL

DEVELOPMENTS THERE. >> THE POINT REGARDLESS ANYBODY WHO OWNS A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY CAN TAKE THEIR PLAT MARK IT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND GET

PERMIT TO CLEAR-CUT IT. >> THAT'S CHILLING TO ME.

THEY NEED TO GET APPROVAL TO DO IT.

THERE WAS JUST PERMIT ISSUED.

>> I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO DO INVESTIGATION TO LET US KNOW IS THAT THE CASE. DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE REGULATION? DO WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THEM A BIT. SO WE AND THE NEIGHBORS NEED

TO BE NOTIFIED. >> MAY I SPEAK TO THAT FOR A MOMENT. THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, THERE WAS A PLAN THAT DID GET REVIEWED.

AND YES, LAND CLEARING PLANS STILL GET A REVIEW.

THERE'S STILL TREE REQUIREMENT AND ALL VARIOUS THINGS THEY HAVE TO ADDRESS. THEY DO GET SUBMITTED TO THE CO COUNTY.

THEY DO GET A REVIEW BEFORE THAT STAMP COMES ON THERE

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YES, MA'AM IT WAS CLEARED. IT

>> IT WAS FOR THE GAS STATION PLAN.

>> THAT ONLY TOOK NINE ANGERS.

THEY CLEARED ADDITIONAL 22. >> YES, SIR.

>> I WANT TO KNOW HOW CAN THAT HAPPEN WITHOUT ANY PLAN BEING SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY ACCEPT SOMETHING THAT'S SAYS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

>> TO CLEAR A SITE YOU DON'T NEED THE INTENT OF WHAT THE BUILDING WILL BE. THIS WAS BETTER FOR THEM TO CLEAR IT AT ONE TIME. IF THEY HAD BUILT A GAS STATION AND NOT CLEARED THE BACK PORTION OF THE LOT THEY WOULD HAVE NO WAY TO GET THE LOT CLEARED.

THERE'S ALMOST NO ACCESS RATHER THAN THE ENTRANCE TO THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THE GAS STATION.

MADE MORE SENSE TO DO CLEARING AND LAND DEVELOP.

. THEY GOT A PERMIT FOR IT.

IT WASN'T JUST ARBITRARILY. WE WILL KNOCK DOWN ALL THE TREES. I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES FOR PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO AREN'T FAMILIARED. IF THERE'S A PROCESS TO THAT THE PROCESS WAS FOLLOWED WE KNOW THERE'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HAS TREE ORDINANCE.

WE KNOW THAT WOULD COVER THIS AREA.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WENT THROUGH.

I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THE TREES WERE PROTECTED TREES.

>> IT WOULD BE INFORMATIVE AND I THINK HELPFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY IN OUR AREA TO KNOW THAT YES THE COUNTY WENT UP. LOOKED AT THIS LOT.

THEY ARE ALL PINE TREES AND THEREFORE ARE NOT DON'T HAVE PROTECTED STATUS. IT CAN BE CLEARED.

THEN IT WOULD SEEM TO ME IT WOULD BE COMMON SURTSY IF YOU DO A HUGE CLEARING THAT YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS OF JUST TO LET THEM KNOW. IF THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION THEY CAN SAY WE'RE BUILDING THIS.

IS HAPPENING. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF

DIRT AND NOISE. >> SOME OF THOSE NICETIES WOULD GO A LONG WAY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN LEGISLATE THEM. I THINK ONE WAY TO SAY THAT YOU WOULD NOTIFY PEOPLE WITHIN 100 FEET OF THE CONSTRUCTION SITE. I DON'T KNOW TYPICALLY WHAT

IS DONE IN OTHER PLACES. >> MR. CHAIR, WE DON'T HAVE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR WHEN LAND WILL BE CLEARED. AND WE CAN CERTAINLY INVESTIGATE THAT. WE CAN INVESTIGATE SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES AND SEE WHAT DISTANCE THEY MAY HAVE.

I AGREE THERE'S SOME ISSUE THAT HAPPEN WITH CLEARING.

FIRST SOMEONE MAY LOSE WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS THEIR TREES. THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY. ADDITION THERE'S DUST AND THINGS THAT MAY COME ALONG LIKE YOU MENTIONED.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO.

WITH THE COUNTY REVIEW RIGHT NOW OF LAND CLEARING PERMITS, WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL DIVISION AND, YES, THEY DO GO OUT AND LOOK AT SITES.

THEY HAVE TREE SURVEYS THAT COME IN.

THAT'S DONE AND I DON'T HAVE THE GATE PLAN IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW. THE COUNTY APPRAISER'S RECORDS HAVE THIS PARCEL WHICH IS 0525000010.

26.8 0E ACRE. 9.27 AS VACANT COMMERCIAL AND 16.26 AS WETLAND HALF HALF OF ACRE OF SUBMERGED LANDS. THEY APPLIED ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER DISTRICT FOR REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED SITE CLEARING. THEY DETERMINED THERE WAS NO FUNCTIONAL WETLANDS PRESENT. ST. JOHNS COUNTY RECEIVING THE GRADING APPLICATION. CGC ON JUNE 21ST OF 2021.

ANY APPLICATION UNDER REVIEW APPROVED THEY LISTED ONLY THOSE RELATING GAS STATION WAR WASH AND LIFT STATION.

ON THE ADJACENT TEN-ACRE PROPERTY.

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I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING ANY OTHER REVIEW IN WRITING THAT WAS DONE FOR THAT ADDITIONAL ACREAGE ADJACENT TO THE TEN ACRES BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIND IT IN THE COUNTY RECORDS CURRENTLY. WE CAN ONLY FIND THE TEN ACRE FOR THE GAS STATION, CAR WASH AND LIFT STATION AND WRITING ABOVE IT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY. THANK U YOU THERESA.

>> WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THIS? YOU WOULD LIKE TO INVESTIGATE MORE?

>> I MADE A MOTION TO INVESTIGATE OUR PROCESS AND OUR PROCEDURES FOR LAND CLEARANCE.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS PROBABLY A TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING GONE HORRIBLY WRONG.

WE HAVE ONE DOWN THE ROAD THE VICKERS THAT WENT CORRECTLY. BECAUSE THEY NOTIFIED THE NEIGHBORS. THE NEIGHBORS GOT TOGETHER.

NOT EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY. BUT AT LEAST THEY WERE LISTENED TO. WE ARE TRYING TO FORM A GROUP OF SOMEONE FROM THE COUNTY, SOMEONE FROM GATE AND DOLPHIN COVE TO AT LEAST MITIGATE SOME OF THE IMPACTS OF THE 26 HOMES THAT ARE DIRECTLY EFFECTED BY THE DIRT, THE DUST, THE LIGHTS AND THAT KIND OF THING.

NOT THAT GATE HAS TO DO SOMETHING.

BUT PERHAPS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO MITIGATE THE COMPLAINTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S UNDER PROCESS. WHAT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S REQUIRED IN OUR REGULATION AND SHOULD WE PROPOSE SOMETHING FURTHER. MAYBE SIT NOTIFICATION OR SOMETHING TO NEIGHBORS WHEN SOMETHING WILL BE CLEAR-CUTED OF THAT NATURE RIGHT BESIDE THEM.

MAYBE WE SHOULD GET STAFF REPORT BACK ON WHAT HAPPENED ON THIS PROPERTY FIRST BEFORE ANY MOTION IS -- WITHDRAW THAT MOTION AND GET A STAFF REPORT BACK.

>> I DON'T THINK HORRIBLY WRONG IS THE RIGHT DECISION.

THEY FOLLOWED A PROCESS. AND MAYBE IT DIDN'T COME UP WITH THE ANSWER EVERYONE WANTED.

I DON'T THINK HORRIBLY WRONG IS WHAT HAPPENED.

IF YOU APPLY HORRIBLY WRONG THEN THE COUNTY IS

RESPONSIBLE. >> I WOULD SAY IT'S HORRIBLY WRONG FOR THE PONTE VEDRA CITIZENS.

>> I WOULD -- THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO STAFF REPORT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE MITIGATED FOR THE CITIZEN OF PONTE VEDRA BEACH SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS.

>> TO GO ON RECORD THE WHOLE PROCESS IS WRONG.

THAT'S HORRIBLY WRONG. THE SITUATION IS NOT GOOD.

WE SHOULD PUT IT THAT WAY. >> VERSES HORRIBLY WRONG.

>> THE SITUATION -- THIS IS PERMANENT RECORD.

I DON'T WANT THE BOARD TO GO ON RECORD WE DID SOMETHING

HORRIBLY WRONG. >> I STAND CORRECTED, THANK

YOU, JOHN. >> STAFF COULD YOU LOOK AT

THAT? >> I WOULD LOVE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD. IF I MAY JUST FOR REFERENCE RIGHT. THERE'S NOT A STAFF REPORT FOR THIS. I CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE ANY -- ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I CAN COME UP WITH FOR IT. BUT YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION ULTIMATELY TO LOOK INTO THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURES OF LOT CLEARING AND GRADING WAS APPROPRIATE.

AND CERTAINLY COULD HELP WITH THAT.

>> WE'VE GOT OUR LITTLE WORLD IN PONTE VEDRA.

YOU HAVE THE REST OF THE COUNTY.

ARE WE LOOKING AT IT AS FAR AS THE WHOLE COUNTY OR LOOKINGAS FAR AS OUR AREA. .

>> WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AS FAR AS OUR AREA.

I MADE THE COMMENT I WOULD THANK THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND FINE THIS CHILLING IF SOMEONE CAN DO THIS. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WILL FEEL. BUT I'M INTERESTED IN IT FROM MY OWN RESPONSIBILITIES IN PONTE VEDRA BEACH.

>> OKAY.

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