Jan 20, 2022 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order.]

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>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING T ORDER. IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND FOR THE PLEDGE, PLEASE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT.

MR. VICE CHAIR, COULD YOU READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT,

PLEASE. >> YES, SIR THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING.

ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO PIE COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS ENABLE IN THE FOYER.

ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES.

SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.

IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.

ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PARTOF THE RECORD.

THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER OR NOT

[NZVAR 2021-15 Tire Outlet (Parkway Place PUD) Signage is pulled from the Agenda because the NZVAR is no longer needed. The sign is in review with the Clearance Sheet.]

WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE.

WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES.

WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. OKAY.

A COUPLE OF ORDERS OF BUSINESS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.

FIRSTAL OF ALL, THERE IS AN ITEM THAT WAS BEING CONSIDERED THAT HAS BEEN PULLED FROM THE AGENDA BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER NEEDED.

[Applicant request continuance of CPA(SS) 2021-12 Norwood and PUD 2021-12 Norwood to a date uncertain.]

THAT'S A GOOD START. SECONDLY, CPA 2021-12 NORWOOD AND PUD 2021-12 IS ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE, AND I BELIEVE THAT PUD 2020-04 PORTER PROPERTY AND COPMAMD 200021-GREENBRIER ADOPTION HEARING AND PUD GREENBRIER HOLLOW, I BELIEVE THEY'RE ALL GOING TO ASK FOR CONTINUANCES.

NOW, IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, THERE BE A TIME WHEN YOU CAN SPEAK ON THEM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.

BUT IT MIGHT BE BETTER FOR YOU TO WAIT -- YES.

>> PORTER WILL BE HEARD, NUMBER 1 TODAY.

>> OH, IT WILL BE. >> YES, SIR.

>> I'M SORRY. MY BAD.

I GOT BAD INFORMATION IN MY HEAD, OBVIOUSLY.

SO PORTER IS GOING TO BE HEARD. IF THERE'S ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THE OTHER THREE ITEMS, YOU CAN SPEAK TODAY IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO COME BACK WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY HEARD BECAUSE THEN YOUR COMMENTS WOULD BE FRESH IN OUR MINDS.

SO IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON CPA 2021-12, NORWOOD AND PUD 2021-12 OR ITEMS 10 AND 11 ON THE AGENDA FOR GREENBRIER HELOW HELOW OTHER THAN THE APPLICANTS? SEEING NONE, TOM, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.

>> I'M TOM INGRAM, 200 EAST FORSYTHE STREET.

I D. OR 233 EAST BAY STREET. EXCUSE ME.

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HAVE A PARTICULAR STATE IN MIND. >> DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THESE

CONTINUANCES? >> YES, IF WE COULD GET A MOTION AND A VOTE ON THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

>> I SO MOVE. >> MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK.

IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> SECOND BY MR. MILLER. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOTION PASSES. I VOTED AYE.

>> THANK YOU. >> AND THEN MS. SMITH, DID YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO ITEMS 10 AND 11 OR DO YOU WANT

TO STAY THE WHOLE MEETING? >> YOU DID A FINE JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE UNTIL FEBRUARY 3RD. THANK YOU.

>> AND, MR. CHAIR, WE HAD ONE SPEAKER CARD ON ITEMS 10 AND 11.

MELANA URBAN. >> MS. URBAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK TODAY OR WOULD YOU RATHER COME BACK WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY HEARD? YOU'LL COME BACK? OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A REQUEST TO DEFER ITEMS 10 AND 11 COMP AMENDED 21 TWUNT-02 GLEAN BRIAR HOLLOW AND GREENBRIER HOLLOW. IS THERE A MOTION?

>> MR. MATT, I'M SORRY. IF I COULD CLARIFY NASA

CONTINUATION TO FEBRUARY 3RD. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> SECOND BY MR. PETER, FIRST BY DR. HILSENBECK. IS THERE -- THERE ANY OPPOSED?

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> THAT MOTION PASSES. OKAY.

NOW WE WILL MOVE BACK TO THE AGENDA AND WE'LL MOVE BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. THIS IS A TIME WHEN YOU CAN COME UP AND SPEAK ON ANYTHING OR ITEMS SPECIFICALLY ON THE AGENDA

[Formal reading of Section 112.3143, Florida Statues Form 8B. Meagan Perkins declared on December 16, 2021, a measure came before the Agency which inured to her special private gain or loss. Her employer Hart Resources, LLC represents the applicant for MAJMOD 2021-20 Benchip Commercial and REZ 2021-24 Benchip Workforce Housing.]

ITEM NUMBER 1 ON THE AGENDA. >> MR. MATOVINA, I APOLOGIZE FORTH INTERRUPTION. WE HAVE ONE MORE HOUSEKEEPING ITEM TO TAKE CARE OF REGARDING A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, VOTING CONFLICT INTEREST. MS. PERKINS FILED REGARDING ITEMS 6 AND 7, BOARD STATUTES, CODE OF ETHICS REQUIRED THAT THAT SUBSTANCE OF HER DECLARATION FORM BE READ INTO THE RECORD AT TODAY'S MEETING. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THAT NOW

OR AT THE END OF THE MEETING? >> WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT

NOW. >> THANK YOU.

ON DECEMBER 16TH MEGAN PERKINS DECLARED A NOTING CONFLICT OF INTEREST PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTES 112.3143 REGARDING THE

[1. PUD 2020-04 Porter Property. Request to rezone approximately 165 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow up a maximum of 223 single-family dwelling units. This item was heard by the Board of County Commissioners at their regularly scheduled public hearing on September 21, 2021. The request was remanded back to the Planning and Zoning Agency for their consideration of the several revisions made by the applicant in response to concerns by the community and the Board of County Commissioners.]

MS. PERKINS IS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE APPLICANT HART RESOURCES, INC. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 1.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE ON THE PORTER PROPERTY? MR. MILLER.

>> YES. I'VE HAD SEVERAL PHONE CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. BILL CLYBURN SINCE OCTOBER, SINCE THE ORIGINAL MEETING WE HAD. I BELIEVE IN EITHER AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER. THE DISCUSSIONS WERE ABOUT CHANGES TO THE TRAFFIC PATTERN AND MOSTLY PROCEDURE, AND I HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH CARL SAUNDERS.

THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH NOT ON THE SUBSTANCE, IT WAS MOSTLY ON

PROCEDURE. >> ALL RIGHT.

DR. MCCORMICK. >> I VISITED THE SITE THIS WEEK, THIS PAST WEEK. THAT IS MY EX PARTE.

>> I ALSO VISITED THE SITE A COUPLE OF TIMES SINCE AUGUST AND

MOST RECENTLY THIS WEEK. >> AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. CLYBURN ONE MORNING THIS WEEK ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF THE APPLICATION AND THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.

DR. HILSENBECK? >> I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH CARLA QUARTO OR MAX MILLER, IS IT MAXWELL CORTEO, AND SHE'S GOING TO BE GIVING A POWERPOINT TODAY.

SHE HAD TOLD ME. WE DISCUSSED THE MERITS OF THE PROJECT. I ALSO SPOKE BACK IN PROBABLY

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I DON'T REMEMBER THE SUBSTANCE OF THOSE OTHER THAN IT WAS GOING TO BE CONTINUED. EVERYONE GOT THESE.

I GOT TWO EMAILS PERTAINING TO THIS.

ONE WAS FROM A PERSON ON NORTH HORSESHOE ROAD.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME. I RESPONDED BACK THAT THOSE WERE SOME GOOD POINTS THAT WERE MADE IN THAT EMAIL.

ALSO, A PERSON THAT LIVES ON PORTER ROAD EXTENSION WHO LIVES ON 4 ACRES. I DON'T REMEMBER HIS NAME.

HE ALSO HAD SOME GOOD POINTS THAT I RESPONDED TO.

JUST SAID "THANK YOU FOR YOUR EMAIL.

THESE ARE GOOD POINTS." THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU, DR. HILSENBECK. OKAY BEFORE BEFORE WE GO FORWARD, I HAVE A TECHNICAL ISSUE OVER HERE WITH A COMPUTER.

IT SAYS, "PLEASE ENTER A SECURE GATEWAY TO CONNECT TO."

[INAUDIBLE] >> APPARENTLY NOT.

LET'S SEE IF IT THE WORKS. OKAY.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE WORKING NOW. THANK YOU.

I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO MESS ANYTHING UP.

YOU CAN START NOW. >> GREAT.

WONDERFUL. GOOD AFTERNOON.

FOR THE RECORD LINDSAY HAGA WITH ENGLAND-THIMS & MILLER 14775 OLD STAWGD ROAD AND WITH ME TODAY ARE THE STRICTS WITH ALTERRA GROUP, CLYBURN AND RITTER. ALSO JEFF CRAMMEN ON TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER AND JOHN BURNETT WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY LOU LAW GROUP. TOGETHER WEK ANSWER QUESTIONS AFTER ANY COMMENT AND, OF COURSE, ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD HAS. THIS PROJECT IS FAMILIAR TO US AND THIS CHART OUTLINE OUR JOURNEY OR ARC THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY ON ON FIVE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEETINGS HOSTED THERE OVER AT THE PERMIT CENTER.

A COUPLE OF MEETINGS BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY, BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND CONTINUANCE AND REMAND BACK BECAUSE OF THE LIST OF CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE ADDRESSING THE FOUR AREAS OF CONCERN IF YOU WERE TO COUPLE THOSE UP THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY.

SO THIS REALLY SHOWS THAT WE BEGAN IN APRIL, KIND OF MEETING MONTHLY AND ADDRESSING EACH OF THOSE COMMENTS.

FIRST OUR MEETING POINTS WAS TO SHARE OUT INFORMATION.

WHAT IS THE PROJECT? WHAT ARE THE RULES? WHAT'S HAPPENING? AND THEN IT SHIFTED INTO WORK SHOPPING AND SOLUTIONS. CAN WE ADDRESS OR REDUCE DENSITY? HOW CAN YOU REDUCE OR INIMPROVE THE TRAFFIC FEELING AND DRIVER BEHAVIOR IN OUR NETWORK THAT WE EXPERIENCE? AND HOW CAN YOU ADDRESS DRAINAGE? SO THE PACKET THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS A RESULT OF THAT AND IT'S OUR MODIFIED REZONING APPLICATION. SO WE'RE ALL GENERAL FM, THAT CHART SEEN WANT WAS LET'S SET A LITTLE BIT OF DETAILS ON WHERE WE'RE LOCATED HERE? ST. JOHNS COUNTY NEAR ST. AUGUSTINE. WE'RE NORTH OF THE CITY, NEAR A MAJOR ROADWAY NETWORK. WE'RE IN THAT IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF EMPLOYMENT AND OUR ROADWAY TRANSPORTATION NETWORK WHICH IS HOW FOLKS WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE IN OUR COUNTY MOVE AROUND TO DO THE THINGS THEY ENJOY OR TO GO EMPLOYMENT, EDUCATION, ET CETERA. THAT GIVES US THAT REGIONAL CONTEXT. THIS MAP IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT SHOWS OUR PROPERTY BOUNDARY OUTLINE IN YELLOW THERE IN THE AERIAL AND THE AREA TO THE GREEN IS WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OWNED LAND. THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT WE DISCUSSED AS A GROUP WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

AT SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT WERE KICKED AROUND WERE TO PROVIDE FOR TRANSPORTATION ACCESS TO THE WEST GOING OUT OVER TO GAINES ROAD AND THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO US BECAUSE OF THE OWNERSHIP WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT LAND.

THE AREA IN YELLOW IS LAND THAT'S OWNED INDIVIDUALLY, THAT'S DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP, DIFFERENT FOLKS, BUT IT'S IN THE AIRPORT OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND SO WHAT THIS SHOWS SUS WE'RE HEMMED IN BY OWNERSHIP PROPERTY, BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THE OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR THIS PROPERTY WHICH IS DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL B ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

SO WHEN WE START TO TALKING ABOUT GROWTH AND MANAGEMENT AND REZONING AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY, WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA. THIS PROJECT IS DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL B. IT'S ENTIRELY WITHIN THE DESIGNATE DEVELOPMENT AREA OF OUR COUNTY, AND IT'S SHOWN TO BE WHICH RESIDENTIAL B PROVIDES FOR MINIMUM DENSITY OF TWO DWELLING UNITS TO THE ACRE. THE OTHER COLORS ON THE MAP AGAIN RELATE BACK TO THE PRIOR SLIDE WHICH LAND IS OWNED BY THE WATER N DISTRICT. YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT THERE IN THE STRIPE. THE COUNTY HAS A LAND USE FOR IT. SOME PROPERTY THAT IS DESIGNATED INDUSTRIAL, AND THEN THIS YELLOW IS DESIGNATED AIRPORT DISTRICT.

AS WE MOVE TOWARDS LEWIS SPEEDWAY WE START TO INTENSIFY THE LAND USE WHERE WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL C AND BE THE PURPLE CLOSER INDICATE EITHER PUBLIC WHERE WE'RE SITTING HERE AT THE ONTARIO COMPLEX OR MIXED USE WHICH PROVIDES FOR ALL OF THE LAND USE CATEGORIES BY THE COUNTY AND THEN A DENSITY OF 13 EVOLV DWELLING UNITS TO THE ACRE.

SO THIS GIVES US THAT PICTURE OF WHAT WE SEE HERE AND WHAT'S SURROUNDING US DESIGNATED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA AS RESIDENTIAL B. WITH THAT DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL B AND THE AMOUNT OF UPLAND DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT WE

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THAT WOULD PROVIDE FOR A DENSITY OF 223 UNITS.

THAT HAS BEEN A CHANGE TO THE APPLICANT HAS MADE IN LISTENING TO THE CONCERNS, IS TO REDUCE THE DENSITY REQUEST FROM BY ABOUT 5% TO 223 MAXIMUM UNITS AS PROPOSED WITHIN THE PUD.

SO LET'S SEE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.

WE BUILT ON KIND OF LANDOWNERSHIP WHERE WE ARE AND BUILDING IN, AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE DESIGNATED OPEN RURAL.

AND WHEN YOU'RE THE IN RESIDENT LAND USE CATEGORY IT GIVES YOU THAT ABILITY TO REZONE TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE SEEKING TO HAVE ONLY RESIDENTIAL USES, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE ACTUAL USES THAT ARE SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY ARE RESIDENTIAL USES, SO LIKE USES NEXT TO LIKE USES.

THIS ZOOMS IN TO HELP US UNDERSTAND REALLY AS YOU DRAW NEAR WHERE MINUSI CONNECTS INTO OLD LEWIS AND WE GO TO OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY, THE ZONING DISTRICTS CHANGE TO PROVIDE A MORE SEVEN SCRECIAL CATEGORIES ARE GET SOME COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE USES HER DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO OUR PROPERTY, AND THEN AS WE GO THROUGH ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL USES THAT PROVIDE FOR A DIFFERENT LOT SIZE VARIETY FOR THE USES THAT WE SEE. AS YOU ALL KNOW THIS IS LEGACY FAMILY TRUST PROPERTY AS FAR AS THE SITE HISTORY, AND THEN HOW THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN ENJOYED. SECOND I'M GOING TO SET THE STAGE BUT LET'S FOCUS ON TWO OTHER SLIDES, AND THEN WE HAVE FOLKS WHO WANT TO GET TO THATNER PRESENTATIONS AND GET INTO DISCUSSION WHEN ABOUT WHERE WHERE WE'VE BEEN.

SO THE PUD DISCUSSIONS THAT SHOULD JUMP OUT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN FOR THAT BRIGHT GREEN COLOR AUTHORITY FOR THE AMOUNT OF BUFFERS THAT HAVE BEEN DOUBLED IN SIZE TO PROVIDE FOR THAT EXTENSION AND ALSO THE DARKER GREEN THAT REPRESENTS THE AMOUNT OF THE SITE THAT WE'LL RESERVE EITHER AS THE WETLAND, THE WETLAND JANET BUFFER OR UPLAND ACREAGE ITSELF.

THIS IS A KEY FABER THAT MASTERED PLANT COMMUNITIES BRING AND THAT WE PROID FOR CLUSTERING, EITHER WE EXCEED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARDS FOR OPEN SPACE BUT WE PROVIDE ON-SITE DRAINAGE WITHIN THE PROJECT ITSELF, AND AWAY PROVIDE FOR THAT OPEN SPACE WITHIN IT. SO THE LOTS, RATHER THAN HOLDING THAT WITHIN YOUR OWN LOT WHERE YOU'D HAVE TO BE AT A 1 ACRE MINIMUM UPWARDS OF 5 ACRES, YOU'RE ABLE TO CLUSTER THOSE LOTS INTO AREAS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT REALLY PROVIDE THAT ARE CONNECTED IN THROUGH THESE POCKETS WHERE WE HAVE WETLAND PRESERVATION, AND THEIR NESTLED IN WITHIN THAT.

THE OTHER PART THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE ARE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE FROM OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

AGAIN, THE BRIGHT EIGHTEEN GREEN COLOR WOULD EXPAND THAT BUFFER FROM 10 TO 20 FEET, AND ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THE BUFFER FROM 10 TO 25 FEET. EXTENDING IN A PERIMETER FENCE, ADDING IN A PERIMETER FENCE AS WELL HERE FOR THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES ALONG THAT AREA. WE HAVE AI EXPANDED EXPANDS NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW YOU, THAT HAD BEEN THE REVISION WHEN WE REMOVED OUT OR REDUCED DENSITY TO ADDRESS THAT PERSON CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY. THOSE ORANGE LOTS HAVE BEEN SHOWN ON THE PLAN. WE HAVE ELIMINATED THEM AND REPLACED IT WITH A EVER OVER A . THAT DOES DOUBLE SERVICE IN THE AN ACT THAT IT ADDRESSES AND REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF DENSITY BUT ALSO EXPANDS AND KIND OF OVERENGINEERS THE AMOUNT OF STORM WATER POND THAT'S WITHIN OUR PROJECT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD ABOUT DRAINAGE AND WHAT FOLKS EXPERIENCE NOW BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE UNIFIED MASTER DRAINAGE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF. THAT WAS INTENTIONAL TO LOCATE OR REMOVE THE UNITS IN THIS AREA RATHER THAN ANOTHER PORTION OF THE SITE, ONE, TO ADDRESS THAT ACTION AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE, PARTICULARLY IN THIS AREA, AS WELL AS TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF UNITS THAT WOULD BE ACCESSING ON WHAT WE CALL THE EAST-WEST CONNECTOR TO MINUSI.

SO I VERY SPECIFIC AND THOUGHTFUL AND IT'S PART OF WHERE WE REMOVE THOSE UNITS. THE OTHER PORTION TO THIS IS TO SHOW WHERE WE REALIGNED WHERE OUR ROADWAY WILL CONNECT TO THE EAST-WEST CONNECTOR. WE HAVE SHIFTED THAT OVER SO THAT ANY TRAFFIC SPEERNS WITH THE HOMES THAT ARE TO THE SOUTH ARE AVOIDED BECAUSE IT'S ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS NOT WHERE THE LIVING AREA OF THE HOME OR THE SITE OF THE HOME WOULD BE. SO IN SUMMARY, THIS IS A ROLLING LIST OF CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE FROM THE TIME OF APPLICATION FROM ALL OF OUR NEEGHTS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS THOSE AREAS OF CONCERN ABOUT REDUCING DENSITY, ADDRESSING DRAINAGE, AND INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF WETLAND PRESERVATION THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE SITE AND THEN ADDRESSING TRAFFIC. AGAIN THAT'S ACHIEVED THROUGH THE REDUCTION IN DENSITY TO CONNECTION POINTS TO THE ROADWAY. AND THEN WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS OUR NEXT CHANGE FROM WHAT WE HAVE WHEN WE INTRODUCE THE ROUNDABOUT. SO THIS SLIDE IS KIND OF SNAPPING INTO THIS STHEELD THAT YOU SEE BUT THIS GIVES US AN IDEA OF PERMITTED AND PROPOSED USES.

IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD MEASURE TO HAVE WHAT A COMPARATOR TO SHOW WHAT COULD BE DEVELOPED NOW UNDER THE COMBINED RESIDENTIAL B AND OPEN RURAL DESIGNATION PROVIDING FOR A MAXIMUM DENSITY

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THE OTHER ALLOWABLE USES WITHIN THE OPEN RURAL ZONE DISTRICT INCLUDE ILLUSTRATIVE USES, AND THEN HERE WE'VE EXPLAINED HOW WE'RE LIMITING THAT TO OUR PUD, IT'S TO BE THE LIKE USES.

SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. WE HAVE AIR ACCESSORY OF PARKS.

AND, OF COURSE, SILVICULTURE ACTIVITY AS YOU CONTINUE AND UNTIL WE GO INTO PERMITTING FOR THAT.

WE HAVE AS PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS, THIS SLIDE I'LL QUICKLY SAY IS THE GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION OF WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, BUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS FOR US TO PROVIDE THE PUD.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH CONCURENCY REVIEW.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR TRIP DISTRIBUTION, OUR VEHICLES, ET CETERA THIS HAS BEEN VETTED OUT THROUGH STAFF AND WE HAVE PROVIDE FORWARD A PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT.

THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVE AT THOSE NUMBERS.

SO WE HAVE THAT CONCURRENCE FIRST MOVING FORWARD SO.

AGAIN YOU CAN SEE OUR PROJECT SITE WHERE IT'S LOCATED AND WHAT WE WANT TO WALK THROUGH REAL QUICKLY IS JUST WHERE OUR -- OUR MEDIAN OPENINGS POB WOULD BE ON THE NETWORK, WHY TRAFFIC DISTRIBUTES WHERE I DOES ON THE LOCALLY NETWORK AND ONE OF THOSE ARE TRACTORS IDENTIFIED HERE BY FULL MEDIAN OPENINGS AND SIGNAL REPRESENTATION. WE'VE COLLECTED AND WORKED WITH A REAL ESTATE DIVISION FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH AROUND THE PROPERTY AND THIS MAP JUST SHOWS YOU, GIVES THAT THAT CONTEXT AERIAL WHERE WE HAVE CONNECTIONS ON PORTER AND CHOSE RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTHS OF FIFTH STREET WOULD BE AT 50 FEET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY AND SO ON JUST TO DOCUMENT OR WORKING WITH THE REAL ESTATE DIVISION AND THEIR METRICS.

THIS IS THE LAST KIND OF PIECE BEFORE I'LL SUMMARIZE THE PROJECT. THIS IS THE ROUNDABOUT THAT REALLY CAME OUT, WAS AN EARLY DISCUSSION POINT THAT REALLY WAS VETTED OUT THROUGH OUR LAST SERIES MEETINGS AND THAT WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GO BACK SO WE COULD BE BEFORE YOU TO DISCUSS, AND WE'VE WORKED WITH STAFF.

YOU SEE THAT WITHIN THEIR STAFF REPORT, THAT THEY AGREE THAT A ROUNDABOUT IN IN LOCATION FITS ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY AS THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES FIT FOR A MODERN ROUND ROUNDABOUT IN THIS LOCATION.

THE OTHER POINT IS THAT THIS ROUNDABOUT FITS ENTIRELY WITHIN THE THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT GENERALLY BOUND BY THE WHITE OR THE MAP GRAPHIC THAT YOU SEE BUT IT'S THIS LINE WORK AND WE ARE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT INCLUDING THAT FOR THE ROUNDABOUT TO WORK WITHIN THOSE CONSTRAINTS.

WHY DID WE DO THIS? YOU MAY RECALL FROM OUR PREVIOUS PROPOSAL THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD HAVE RADAR AUXILIARY TURN LANES, AND YOU SEE ONE OF THEM THAT THE APPLICANT WILL MAINTAIN IS THIS RIGHT-HAND TURN LANE AT THE EASTERN END OF OLD LEWIS SO THAT WILL BE INSTALLED.

THAT IS NOT THERE NOW. THAT PROVIDES A QUEUING SPOT OR STORAGE FOR FOLKS THAT WANT TO SPHWR ONTO OLD LEWIS SPEED WAUGH AND RELIEVES THEM OF WHAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED A PRESSURE FROM TRAFFIC OR SPEED WERS AGAIN, DRIVER BEHAVIOR ON BLISS SPEEDWAY. SO THAT'S WITHIN THAT AREA.

THE ROUNDABOUT IS A REPLACEMENT BECAUSE WE HAD AN INTERSECTION.

THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE THERE NOW WHEN YOU DID I YOUR SITE VISIT, AND IT EQUALIZES YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO ENTER INTO THE ROAD STREAM THERE AS YOU COME INTO WHRES SPEEDWAY.

WHAT WE HEARD WAS THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS NOT CLEAR TO THE EXTENT S. IT'S CAUSING SOME VISIBILITY CONCERNS AND THAT THE QUEUING OR THE TRAFFIC VOLUME, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH GAPS OF THAT GIVES TE FOLKS A COMFORTABLE LEVEL OF TURNING, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO HEAD EAST -- EXCUSE ME -- EAST TO US-1 OR HEAD SOUTH SO THAT EQUALIZES EVERYTHING THAT ADDS IN AND PROVIDES FOR OPEN SPACE. SO IN SUMMARY AGAIN I TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE WERE. WE'VE GONE THROUGH PERMITTING.

OUR TRAFFIC NUMBERS HAVE BEEN INTERCEPTS THEY COMPLY WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT.

THEY MUST. THAT'S HOW THEY ARRIVED AT PRO POARKS AT FAIR SHARE TOTAL AMOUNT OF OVER $800,000.

IN THAT AGREEMENT WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT IT COULD BE EARMARKED FOR A SIGNAL AT AVENUE.

AVENUED AND SAN SEBASTIAN THAT PROVIDES FOR QUEUING, GAPPING IN THE TRAFFIC YOU SEE ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY ALSO COUPLED IN WITH THE ROUNDABOUT. WE DO HAVE FULL CAPACITY RESERVED FOR OUR UNITS AT THE MAXIMUM EXTENT, NOT THE REDUCED AMOUNT SO THERE'S ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO BE HAD THERE.

AND THIS IS A LIST OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS OR THE NUMBER OF COMMITMENTS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS MADE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THAT INTINGS ALT BEHIND THAT.

AND OUR -- INTENTIONALITY AND OUR PRODUCT SEM SUMP RI AGAIN

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CONSISTENT WITH THE PATTERN THAT YOU SEE WITHIN THE THE GENERAL AREA OF LEWIS SPEEDWAY P IMMEDIATELY JANET THERE ARE SOME PUDS WITHIN THE AREA. THAT ACCESS TO THE CORRIDOR, AVENUE D AND MANUCY AND WE'RE ESTABLISHED IN OUR DIRECTION HERE WITH THE CITY. OUR PROJECT AS YOU SAW ON THE SITE PLAN CREATES THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S NESTLED IN WITH THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE THAT'S NEAR 40% OF THE SITE, AND WE PROVIDE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT NOT ONLY SERVES OUR PROJECT ACCESS BUT PROVIDES FOR A GREATER PUBLIC BENEFIT ON THE LOCAL ROADWAY NETWORK. WITH THAT, I'LL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION AND MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE A DESIGNATE REPRESENTATIVE HERE AS WELL, MRO

LISTEN TO THAT PRESENTATION. >> ALL RIGHT.

BEFORE WE DO THAT, DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> OKAY.

SO AT YOUR DECEMBER COMMUNITY MEETING THAT YOU HELD, THE CHANGES THAT YOU PRESENTED TO THEM FROM YOUR ORIGINAL PLAN, THAT WAS BASICALLY REDUCTION OF 14 HOUSES, AND THEN THE POND DOWN TOWARD MANUCY ROAD. THOSE WERE THE TWO BIG CHANGES?

>> AND THE ROUNDABOUT. S. THE 5% REDUCTION IN UNITS, THE EXPANSION OF THE POND TO ADDRESS DRAINAGE, THE EXTENSION OF THE SIDEWALK OFF PROPERTY DOWN MANUCY, OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY TO LEWIS SWEDE WAY FOR A WHOLE IMPROVEMENT, AND THEN THE ROUNDABOUT ITSELF. THAT REALLY WAS THE CHANGE.

>> OKAY. WHO IS -- YOU SAID IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT DEVELOPING THIS AREA WITH 223 HOMES WAS GOING TO BE LIKE ABUTTING LIKE OR A LIKE USE NEXT TO A LIKE

USE? >> YES, IT'S RESIDENTIAL HOMES.

>> SO THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO UNITS PER ACRE IN THIS PORTER PROJECT, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT STANDS NOW, SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ON MUCH LARGER LOTS. TYPICALLY ONE TO TWO TO THREE TO FIVE ACRES. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THEY HAVE INDIVIDUAL -- BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE CENTRAL UTILITIES, SO THIS SITE IS SERVED BY CENTRAL WATER AND UTILITIES WHICH ALLOWS FOR CLUSTERING OF LOTS.

THE EXISTING LOTS HAVE WELL AND SEPTIC AND ALSO DO NOT HAVE ANY MASTER STORM WATER POND, AS I'M SHOWING HERE ON OUR SITE PLAN THAT YOU SEE. THOSE ARE ABSENT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DEVELOPMENT OVERALL, IS THOSE POLICIES ON ADDRESSING A WHOLE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT MANAGING SWELLS OR PONDS, ET CETERA WANT SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. THE USES ARE THE SAME, HOMES, RESIDENT HOMES WHERE PEOPLE LIVE.

>> RIGHT. KNOW YOUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ALL RESIDENTIAL BUT I JUST DON'T SEE TWO UNITS PER ACRE AS COMPARED TO A MUCH LOWER DENSITY OPEN RURAL DESIGNATION AND OPEN RURAL LAND USE WITH HOUSES ON ONE TO, SAY, FIVE ACRES, I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING LIKE TO LIKE PERSONALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD, EITHER, BUT THEY CAN ADDRESS THAT. RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTHS.

YOU SAID COMING OUT FROM PORTER ROAD AND THEN YOU SHOWED A LITTLE DASHED LINE GOING DOWN SARTILLO AND THEN OVER TO FOURTH OR FIFTH, YOU HAVE TO GO ON 4TH TO GET OVER TO 5TH AND THEN 5TH OUT THE US-1. YOU CITED A 50-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY THERE ON I BELIEVE IT WAS 4TH AND 5TH STREETS OR 5TH

STREET. >> YES.

>> WHAT ARE THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY WIDTHS ON PORTER AND SARTILLO

ROAD SNS. >> SO THAT MAP THAT I SHOWED IF I CAN NAVIGATE. THE FFTD STREET IS 50-FOOT OF RIGHT-OF-WAY. I BELIEVE I SAW IN MATERIALS THERE WAS A TYPO FOR 30 FEET. THAT'S INCORRECT.

THIS IS FROM THE COUNTY'S REAL ESTATE DIVISION, THEIR SURVEY, THAT AQUA COLOR THAT YOU SEE THERE FOR EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY

WIDTH. >> SO PORTER AND SARTILLO HAVE

WHAT FOOTAGE OF RIGHT-OF-WAY? >> IT VARIES FROM 60 TO 50 LOCAL

ROAD STANDARD. >> PORTER AND SARTILLO?

>> PORTER AND 5TH STREET. SARTILLO VARIES FROM 30-FOOT OF RIGHT-OF-WAY INTO -- BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENT AND THEN YOU CAN

SEE THE LINE VARIABLE JOG. >> SO SARTILLO WAS 30-FOOT OF

RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY.

>> IS THAT ADEQUATE TO BE -- WHAT IS THIS, A MINOR COLLECTOR

ROAD? >> IT IS NOT A MINOR COLLECTOR .

PORTER ROAD IS A LOCAL ROAD. MANUCY ROAD IS A LOCAL ROAD.

THE AMOUNT OF TRIPS GENERATED BY THIS PROJECT DO NOT TRIGGER WHAT'S CALLED A FUNCTIONAL UPGRADE OR CLASSIFICATION TO THOSE LOCAL ROADS. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD

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ROADS. >> YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT 50 AND

40, BUT SARTILLO -- >> I WAS FAWNING ALL THE E

ROADS. >> SO 30.

>> THAT MEETS WHAT'S CALLED THE EXISTING FACILITY STANDARDS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SOLON AS THE NUMBER OF TRIPS OF NEW DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT TRIGGER A FUNCTIONAL UPGRADE OR CLASSIFICATION, IN THIS CASE THAT WOULD BE FROM LOCAL TO A MINOR COLLECTOR, AND THOSE RIGHT-OF-WAY STANDARDS MEET AND THE PAVEMENT AS WELL MEET THE STANDARDS FOR THE CODE.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE GONE THROUGH REVIEW WITH STAFF TO SAY WE MEET THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARDS FOR WHAT ARE TRANSPORTATION IS FOR THE PUD, ZERO WAIVERS, AND OUR

CONCURRENCY PROPORTIONATE SHARE. >> WHAT IS THE PAVEMENT WIDTH

THAT IS REQUIRED? >> FOR EXISTING IMENTS FACILITIES, 18 FEET, AND FOR EXISTING FACILITIES 18 FEET.

>> ISN'T SARTILLO ROAD LESS THAN THAT?

>> NO. >> I BELIEVE IT'S 15 TO 16 FEET

OF PAVEMENT. >> NO.

>> NO? ALL RIGHT.

WOULD THE RESIDENTS LOOK AT THAT.

AND WHAT IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON MANUCY ROAD?

>> 40 FEET. >> DID Y'ALL TRY TO INITIALLY BUY SOME RIGHT-OF-WAY ON MANUCY FROM RESIDENTS?

>> INITIALLY THIS APPLICATION WAS PROPOSED AS WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER THE OPEN RURAL CONFIGURATION WITH THE SINGLE ACCESS POINT ON MANUCY, AND THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY, WITH HAVING BEEN ESTABLISHED OR INITIALLY SURVEYED OUT AS BEING 50 FEET, AND THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY THEN TO MAINTAIN A SINGLE POINT AND WIDEN AND BRING THAT ROIPPED TO MINOR COLLECTOR STANDARDS, BUT THAT IS NOT THE SOLUTION WE ADDRESS TWO ACCESS

POINTS. >> YOU SAID THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS STAY WITH US JUST THE ONE ACCESS POINT?

>> WHEN IT WAS FILED. THE FIRST FILING, IF YOU WERE DOAG BACK AND LOOK AT THE PERMIT PORTAL WE HAD A SINGLE EXIT POINT ON MANUCY, AND THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY WE SHIFTED INTO TWO ACCESS POINT ON PORTER

AND MAN USEY. >> THE FIRST TIME I SAW IT, THE AGENDA ITEM I SAW HAD THE TWO ACCESS POINTS, SO --

>> WE'VE HAD FIVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO GET TO THAT POINT.

SO WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED FOR HEARING, WE WERE AT OUR TWO CONNECTION POINTS. THAT'S RIGHT.

>> OKAY. ONE OF THE LETTERS, AND I JUST RECALLED THIS AS YOU WERE SPEAKING, ONE OF THE LETTERS THAT I RECEIVED THAT I MENTIONED IN MY EX PARTE SAID THAT YOU WERE GOING TO PUT 8 FEET OF FILL ON THE PROPERTY.

IS THAT ANY BASIS OF FACT IN THAT STATEMENT?

>> IS THAT IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED?

>> NO, THIS WAS A LETTER THAT I THINK ALL OF THE PZA MEMBERS RECEIVED FROM A PERSON THAT LIVES ON PORTER POND EXTENSION.

PORTER ROAD EXTENSION. >> I ASKED FOR A COPY OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT BUT I'LL LOOK. WE ARE NOT --

>> AN 8 FEET OF FILL? >> CORRECT.

THAT'S CORRECT. >> WHEN YOU PRESENTED AT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THIS IDEA OF 165 HOUSES, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WHEN YOU MET INITIALLY WITH THE RESIDENTS, YOU SAID 237 HOUSES. AND WHEN THEY WERE OBJECTING TO THAT, THEN YOU SAID, OH, WELL, WE COULD JUST DO 165 HOUSES HERE AND NOT ASK ANY PERMISSION OR HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, THAT'S THE FRAMEWORK FOR COMPARETOR ABOUT WHAT'S PERMITTED NOW UNDER RESIDENTIAL B LAND USE AND OPEN RURAL ZONING AND SHOWING HOW MANY UNITS CAN BE THERE AND THEN THROUGH A PUD RESPONSE WHAT THAT WOULD ACHIEVE THROUGH THIS PROPOSAL THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE MAP.

SO WE'VE TALKED THROUGH ALL DEVELOPMENTS SCENARIO, NOT ALL BUT SEVERAL DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS IN OUR MEETINGS.

>> WHEN YOU MENTIONED, WELL, WE COULD DO 165 FEET WITHOUT GOING BEFORE PZA, DIDN'T THEY SAY, YEAH, GO AHEAD AND DO THAT?

>> I DON'T RECALL. >> YOU DO NOT RECALL.

OKAY. WAS THERE A DISCUSSION WITH ONE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT IF THEY DROPPED THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS, THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO A POND

ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTY? >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

>> WELL, DID YOU HAVE DISCUSSIONS, YOU OR ANY OF YOUR TEAM HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH SOMEONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SAID IF THEY DROPPED THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS, THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO A POND?

>> WE DISCUSSED THIS POND, SO LET'S LOOK AT THAT.

THAT'S THE CORNER PIECE. WE CAN CALL AT THIS TIME POND

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NUMBER ONE, IT'S NOTE PART OF OUR MASTER STORM WATER DRAINAGE SO THAT WAS SHARED. WE ALSO SET SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT THE COMMUNITY ASKED US IF THE DEVELOPER WOULD MAINTAIN IT IN SOME SENSE OR FENCE IT OFF.

THERE WERE DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WOULD BE USED. WE DID ALSO REVISE OUR APPLICATION TO SHOW WHERE RIGHT-OF-WAY COULD BE RESERVED AND THAT WE'RE NO TOUCHING IT. SO THE DEVELOPER, WE DID CONFIRM THAT THIS IS NOT PART OF OUR MASTER DRAINAGE.

WE'RE LEAVING THIS HERE AS PART OF THAT OPEN SPACE THAT YOU SEE.

SO THROUGH THAT DISCUSSION, IF THEY HAD, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE SOLD OR TRANSFERRED OR THEY USED THAT POND, IT IS NOT PART OF OUR PLAN FOR STORM WATER OR RECREATION.

SO THAT'S BEEN THE NATURE OF MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GROUP, IS THAT TO CONFIRM WHERE WE HAD QUESTIONS, WE MADE MAPS TO SHOW WHERE THE POND SHOWS ON THE OVERLAY THAT WE'RE NOT USING.

IT'S NOT PART OF OUR RECREATION. >> SO I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY ANSWERED MY QUESTION UP. SAID A LOT OF THINGS THERE, BUT DID YOU SAY THAT IF THEY DROPPED THEIR OPPOSITION, YOU WOULD GIVE THEM RIGHTS TO THE POND?

>> NO, DID I NOT SAY THAT, NO. >> DID YOU NOT.

DID ANYONE ON YOUR TEAM SAY THAT?

>> NO. WE'RE HEARING NOSE FROM NOE

STEAM. >> SO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.

WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE?

>> THE DEVELOPER. >> DO YOU KNOW THE ESTIMATED

COST OF THAT? >> I DO NOT.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED.

>> AND YOU HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR PERMITS WITH THE COUNTY YET?

>> WE HAVE JUST REVIEWED THROUGH OUR PUD.

THAT'S BEEN APPROVED, AS FAR AS THAT GOES.

SO THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE FILING OUR CONSTRUCTION PLANS WITH THE COUNTY FOR A RIGHT-OF-WAY CONSTRUCTION.

>> SO WE HAVE RECEIVED LETTERS, AND I HAVE MY OWN COMMENTS ABOUT A TRAFFIC CIRCLE, PERHAPS SLOWING TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE BECAUSE OF THAT DANGEROUS CURVE RIGHT THERE ON LEWIS SPEED WAY THAT FOR PEOPLE PARTICULARLY COMING OUT OF NORTH HORSESHOE AND TRYING TO TURN THERE, TRAFFIC CIRCLE WOULD ALLEVIATE SPEED THERE, BUT IT WOULD ALSO -- BUT IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T ALLEVIATE ANY TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

AND YOU CITED 9,485 DAILY TRIPS RIGHT NOW ON LEWIS SPEED SPE.

>> THAT WOULD ENTER INTO THE -- >> IS LEWIS SPEEDWAY

OVERCAPACITY? >> THEY'RE OVERCAPACITY IN TERMS

OF ITS LEVEL SERVICE, YES. >> IT IS OVERCAPACITY IN TERMS

OF LEVEL OF SERVICE. >> LEVEL SERVICE FOR WHAT, AND WHAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR OUR PROPORTIONATE SHARE TO THE

ROADWAY. >> SO LEWIS SPEEDWAY RIGHT NOW

IS ALREADY OVERCAPACITY. >> SEGMENTS, YES.

I CAN CALL -- >> SO WOULD THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE DO ANYTHING AT ALL TO ALLEVIATE THAT?

>> AS FAR AS YOU MEAN PROVIDING ADDITIONAL CAPACITY? THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT SAFETY ENHANCEMENT TO THE LOCAL ROADWAY NETWORK NOW, SO AS WE SEE THAT WE HAVE 9,000 VEHICLES, THAT IS WHAT THE COUNTY HAS COUNTED AS THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT UTILIZE LEWIS SPEEDWAY IN THE DAY, THAT WOULD BE ENTERING INTO THE ROUNDABOUT. FOR EXAMPLE, COMPARED TO THE ROUNDABOUT WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WANT LIKELER AND PALM VALLEY THAT ON MIKELER EXPERIENCED 5,000 CARS TO THAT ROUNDABOUT WITH A DIRECT CONNECTION TO COMMERCIAL AT THAT PUBLIX INTERSECTION. SO ROUNDABOUT FUNCTION AND HAVING THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC AS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT FOR TRANSPORTATION, THE SLIEWSM TRAFFIC ON LEWIS SPEED WAY AND A ROUNDABOUT IS ACCEPTABLE AND STAY GREAT SAFETY DESIGN TO

ENHANCE THE NETWORK. >> OKAY.

BUT THAT DOESN'T ALLEVIATE THE FACT THAT IT'S OVERCAPACITY.

>> THE ALLEVIATION WOULD THEN COME FROM THE $825,000 THAT'S ASSIGNED TO THE DEVELOPER FOR PROPORTIONATE SHARE WHICH THE COUNTY CAN THEN USE AS IMPROVEMENTS.

WE HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THAT COULD BE USED FOR A SIGNAL THAT'S AT AVENUE D AND SAN SEBASTIAN TO PROVIDE FOR THAT

CAPACITY. >> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT NEXT. YOU DID MENTION, SINCE YOU MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE UP THERE AT PALM VALLEY, I'M GOING TO MENTION ONE DOWN IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE THERE ON MAY STREET RIGHT THERE BETWEEN US-1 OR RIGHT ON A1A AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT TRAFFIC CIRCLE 100 TIMES, AND I'LL TELL YOU, IT DOESN'T ALLEVIATE ANY TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

IT LEFNL ALLEVIATES SPEED ON THAT ROAD, BUT IT'S -- MAY STREET STILL BACKS UP TO THE VILANO BRIDGE, AND I JUST DON'T SEE THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AS ANY GREAT SOLUTION OTHER THAN REDUCING SPEED. THAT MAY HAVE SOME SAFETY ISSUE.

BUT -- AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE MOVING A LOT OF TRAFFIC OUT, AND

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THAT'S 56%. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT ADDS UP TO THE 40. BUT -- SO THAT TO ME, DRIVING THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, PORTER, SARTILLO, 4TH STREET, 5TH STREET OUT TO US-1, THAT'S A REALLY RURAL, QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, AND DUMPING -- I KNOW YOUR PEAK P.M. TRAFFIC OUT OF THERE IS 223 CARS BETWEEN 4:00 AND 6:00 P.M.

THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC TO BE ROUTING THROUGH A VERY QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE LIGHT AT AVENUE D AND LEWIS SPEEDWAY, WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE A LIGHT AT US-1 AND LEWIS SPEEDWAY, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ANOTHER ONE IN AT AVENUE D.

WHAT IS THAT 150 YARDS, 200 YARDS AT MOST? I DON'T SEE THAT AS A WORKABLE SOLUTION.

I'M NO TRAFFIC ENGINEER. >> WE HAVE JEFF CRAMON HERE WHO IS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER WHO CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT IN GENERAL TERMS, WHAT THE SIGNAL WOULD DO IS PROVIDE FOR GAPPING.

SO IF WE JUST REWIND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE'VE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND TALKING AND WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS, THE CONCERNS THAT THEY EXPRESSED IS THAT DRIVERS DO NOT FOLLOW THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT OF 35 MILES AN HOUR ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND THAT THEIR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN NOT TO HAVE GAPS OR DISTANCE DURING PEAK AND DURING THE TIME TO TURN OFF OF OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY, WHETHER YOU'RE HEADED NORTH OR SOUTH.

SO HAVING AUXILIARIERY LANES CAN GIVE THEM THAT TIME OR THAT POINT TO COME IN SAFELY, AS THEY DESCRIBED.

HAVING A SIGNAL DETERIORATES CREATES GAPS IN THE TRACK OF FLOW AND WE HAVE SIMULATED THAT WHERE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN COUPLED WITH THE AUXILIARY LANES GIVES THAT YOU SPACING WHERE YOU MAYBE AS THE DRIVER FEELS LIKE YOU HAVE A GREATER CHANCE TO TURN OR THAT TIMING RELATED. THE SAME POINT IS MADE HERE HERE AS FAR AS GAPS, WHAT A SIGNAL DOES OH ROADWAY, GAPPING IN THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC TO PROVIDE FOR THAT DISTANCE OR TIME WHEN YOU WOULD TURN AT AN INTERSECTION IN ROUNDABOUT.

THE ROUNDABOUT IS TO EQUALIZE FOLKS ENTERING INTO LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND WILL HAVE THAT EFFECT AS A SIGNIFICANT SAFETY IMPROVEMENT TO HAVE THE LEWIS SPEEDWAY CORRIDOR, RECOGNIZING THAT FOLKS ARE NOT FOLLOWING THAT 35-MILE-AN-HOUR SPEED LIMIT

THAT'S POSTED THERE. >> SO WHERE IS THE NEXT TRAFFIC

LIGHT ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY? >> WOODLAWN.

>> IS IT AT WOODLAWN? >> YES.

>> AND SO THIS IS GOING TO PROVIDE THE GAPPING.

>> YES, SIEVE SIMULATED VIDEOS TO SHOW THAT.

>> THE WAY YOU'VE PRESENTED YOUR DRAWINGS OF THIS OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, IT APPEARS THAT IT'S GOING TO BLOCK SEVERAL PEOPLE'S INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM THEIR PROPERTIES AND PREVENT SOME PEOPLE FROM TURNING LEFT ONTO NORTH HORSESHOE AS THEIR COMING DOWN TO THE SOUTH ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> SO, YES, YOU WOULD ENTER INTO LEWIS -- YOU WOULD -- FROM HORSESHOE ROAD NORTH, SO HORSESHOE ROAD IS APTLY NAMED. IT'S HORSESHOE.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO COME IN ON THE NORTHERN PART AND WANTED TO HEAD SOUTH ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY, NERVE THAT SAFE OPEN VISIBILITY MANEUVER. YOU'LL SURININ RIGHT, ENTER INTO

THE ROUNDABOUT AND HEAD SOUTH. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED.

I ASKED IF IT WAS GOING TO BLOCK PEOPLE FROM TURNING LEFT OFF OF

LEWIS SPEEDWAY. >> THEN YES.

THAT IS WHY YOUAL MAKE THAT NOVMENT TO THE NEITHER NORTH IS THE WAY THAT THE ROUNDABOUT FUNCTIONS TO KEEP TRAFFIC SEPARATED WOULD BE THIS MEDIAN THAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE SITE PLAN. SO, YES, IF YOU WERE HERE ON HORSESHOE, YOUR OPTIONS WOULD BE NAVIGATE HORSESHOE HERE, COMING AROUND HORSESHOE ROAD AS YOU MAY DO NOW AS IS YOUR PREFERENCE, AND THEN HERE YOU COME INTO THE ROUNDABOUT.

YOU WOULD NOT DRIVE OVER THE MEDIAN.

YOU WOULD ENTER IN, CIRCUMSTANTIAL THE ROUNDABOUT

AND HEAD SOUTH, YES. >> BUT AS THEY'RE HEADING SOUTH, LET'S SAY THEY TURN OFF US-1 ONTO LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND THEY WANT TO ACCESS HORSESHOE, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT

>> NO, THEY WOULD COME HORSESHOE SOUTH AND COME IN HERE AS THEY A

EVER ARRIVE FROM THE MORTH. >> DO YOU NEED PERMISSION TO DO THIS TO EVER OR TO BLOCK THEIR DRIVEWAYS? DO I HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION TO DO THAT?

>> THE COUNTY REVIEW, CORRECT. >> THE COUNTY --

>> NO, WE ARE WORKING WITHIN COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY.

>> OKAY. I DON'T -- I WOULDN'T LIKE IT IF I LIVED THERE, I'LL TELL YOU THAT, AND I WOULDN'T WANT THE INCONVENIENCE OF HAVING TO GO OUT OF MY WAY TO GET DOWN THERE.

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WELL, LET'S SEE. HERE'S ONE.

HERE'S A QUESTION. YOU TALK ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY APPLICATION, THE 10-FOOT LANDSCAPE PERIMETER BUFFER, 20% -- 20-FOOT NATURAL LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG NORTH PROPERTY LINES, 25-FOOT BUFFER AND THE FENCE IN SOME AREAS.

DO YOU THINK THOSE NARROW BUFFERS ARE GOING TO BE ADEQUATE TO SHIELD PEOPLE OR BLOCK PEOPLE FROM ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT? THE TRAFFIC HERE IS ONE OF MY MAJOR ISSUES, AND I'LL GET TO SOME OTHER COMMENTS LATER, COMMENTS AS OPPOSED TO QUESTIONS, ABOUT IT JUST WONDER IF YOU THINK THAT HAVING THOSE BUFFERS IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO SHIELD THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THERE NOW FROM ALL THE TRAFFIC, EXHAUST FUMES, LIGHTS, NOISE FROM THE TRAFFIC AND ALL OF I JUST DON'T SEE THAT ALL THAT TRAFFIC GENERATED THROUGH THEIR BUFFERS ARE GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC. IT MAY LOOK NICE BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO REALLY ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

I THINK THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BACK THERE RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO BE DIMINISHED, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE COMP PLAN STATEMENTS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DIMINISH THE QUALITY OF LIFE BACK THERE, THAT'S A REASON TO DENY THIS.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING -- >> BUFFERS, YES I CAN ADDRESS THAT POINT. BUFFERS IN ITSELF ARE STATIC TO THE SITE. THAT IS NOT HOW YOU MITIGATE OR BALANCE TRAFFIC. HOW YOU WOULD ADDRESS THAT IS MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ROADWAY.

CHECK, WE'VE DONE THAT. AND THEN REDUCE DENSITY AS WHAT WE'VE DONE BY 5%. THE BUFFERS THAT YOU SEE WITHIN THE SITE PLAN, AND ALSO WHERE THE LOTS ARE CLUSTERED, YOU SEE ALONG THE EDGES, THE NORTHERN PART, THE SOUTHERN PART, A MAJORITY OF THAT PROPERTY LINE IS GREEN, UNDISTURBED.

IT'S THE WETLAND PRESERVATION. IT'S WHAT FOLKS WHO LIVE NORTH OR SOUTH OR EAST OF THE PROPERTY, HOW THEY ENJOY SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY NOW. SO THE BUFFER IS WHEN YOU HAVE ARRIVED FROM HOME, YOU'RE THERE, HOW THAT EXPERIENCE HAPPENS BETWEEN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

>> CORRECT. >> SO THEY'VE REDUCED THAT.

SO THE BUFFER IS NOT A -- AS THE STAFF RECORD READS, A COMPATIBILITY MEASURE TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC.

THE COMPATIBILITY MEASURE TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC WAS THE REDUCTION BY 5% IN THE UNITS, HAVING THE TWO ACCESS POINTS TO THE ROADWAY NETWORK, PROVIDING THE SIDEWALK, WORKING WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND THEN THE LARGER ROUNDABOUT.

THOSE, IF YOU WERE TO CATEGORIZE MEASURES FOR COMPATIBILITY,

THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD DO IT. >> OKAY.

IT STATES IN THE APPLICATION -- THIS IS PAGE HAVE BEEN 11 OF THE APPLICATION -- "COUNTY ATTORNEY REVIEW, A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE IN KEEPING THE EXISTING ZONING --" THAT'S OR, OPEN RURAL -- "INCLUDES THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD DETRACT FROM THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY CREATING EXCESS NOISE, LIGHTING, VIBRATION, FUMES, ODORS, DUST, PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES AND OTHER DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS OR NUISANCES." I THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS BACK IN THERE THINK THAT HAVING 223 NEW HOMES WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC GENERATED FROM THAT IS GOING TO INDEED DETRACT FROM THEIR CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND IT'S GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF ISSUES, CREATING MUCH NEW TRAFFIC. IT'S GOING TO NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE QUALITY AND SAFETY OF THEIR LIVES AND NEIGHBORHOODS.

YOUR TRAFFIC CIRCLE MAY ADDRESS OLD LOOP MANUCY AND OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND NORTH HORSESHOE, BUT IT DOES NOTHING REALLY TO ALLEVIATE PORTER, SARTILLO, 4TH AND 5TH STREETS GOING OUT TO US-1 WHERE THERE'S NO TRAFFIC LIGHT FOR PEOPLE HEADING NORTH JACKSONVILLE, FOR EXAMPLE. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S A STATEMENT RIGHT THERE IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REVIEW.

>> DR. HILSENBECK, YOU'RE BROWBEATING THE WITNESS.

>> YORKS NO, I DON'T THINK I AM. I'M ASKING QUESTIONS HERE.

>> THAT'S NOT A QUESTION. >> I ASKED IF SHE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS GOING TO INDEED BE THE CASE.

ALL RIGHT. WELL --

>> IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, ASK IT BUT YOU DID NOT ASK A

QUESTION IN THERE. >> ALL RIGHT.

I APOLOGIZE TO YOU, LINDSEY, AND TO THE AGENCY BOARD THAT THAT WAS NOT A QUESTION, BUT I DIDN'T THINK I WAS BROWBEATING THE WITNESS CERTAINLY. SO -- WELL, I'M NOTE GOING TO SAY THAT. BUT I'LL --

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> LET ME SEE HERE. OH, ON THE TRAFFIC STUDIES, THIS

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AND THEN IT TURNED OUT THAT THERE WERE APPARENTLY NO COUNTERS ON SARTILLO AND THAT AT ONLY ONE END OF OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY. SO DID YOU GO BACK AND DO THOSE TRAFFIC STUDIES? YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO GO BACK AND DO THOSE. IF SO, WERE THERE COUNTERS PLACED ON SARTILLO AND AT BOTH ENDS OF OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY?

>> I WILL VERIFY THAT AND COME UP ON REBUTTAL TO GIVE YOU A

THAT ANSWER. >> SO YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT?

>> WHAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME -- I HAVE TO CONFER WITH JEFFRY JEFF -- WHAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME, IT'S A DIFFERENT COUNT MAP

FROM OUR COMMUNITY MEETING. >> IT WAS PRESENTED AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND THEN THEY CALLED YOU ON IT? YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO RETRACT THAT STATEMENT AT THE MEETING? AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE BROW BY THING PIN.

>> BY BROWBEATING ANYONE.

>> THAT WAS A QUESTION. >> THANK YOU.

>> I DON'T RECALL. SO THE QUESTION IS WERE WE AT A COMMUNITY MEETING WHERE WE WERE ASKED IF THERE WAS TRAFFIC COUNTERS PLACED ON SARTILLO ROAD, AND WE SAID NO, AND DID WE PUT TRAFFIC COUNTERS? DO YOU REMEMBER? WE COUNTED SARTILLO. OKAY.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU DONE? >> YES.

>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE.

MR. MILLER. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, LINDSEY.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> COULD YOU GO, I THINK IT'S A FEW SLIDES, THERE'S TWO RED DOTS.

I JUST HAVE A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS.

NOT THAT ONE. IT'S THE MAP THAT SHOWED TWO --

>> OH, THE AERIAL, YES. >> THE AERIAL.

>> I THINK WE'RE FORWARD HERE. JUST A SECOND.

>> IT SHOWED TWO RED DOTS AND THERE WAS A ROAD JUST NORTH OF TART THAT I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT.

THAT'S IT. I THINK TART ROAD IS FURTHER TO THE SOUTH AND YOU SEE THAT RED DOT I GUESS THAT WAS PART OF THE

PUD. >> CORRECT.

>> ARE THERE GOING TO BE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT ROAD THAT'S GOING EAST TO WEST? AND DOES THAT PROVIDE ACCESS TO

ANYONE? >> YES.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE AUTUMNAL CALT NOW IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT IT.

WE CALL AT THIS TIME EAST-WEST CONNECTOR TO MAN USEY.

IT IS OUR ACCESS END, CONNECTION.

IT CURRENT MEDES MINOR COLLECTOR STANDARDS AS FAR AS THE ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY AND PAVEMENT WIDTH. WE WILL BE ADDING IN A RIGHT PURN R. TURN OF LANE, SO AS YOU COME OFF MANUCY AND YOU TURN ONTO EAST-WEST CONNECTOR THERE WILL BE A RIGHT TURN LANE ENTERING OUR PROPERTY. THERE'S A STORM WATER POND HERE,

AND THEN A SIDEWALK. >> AND DOES THAT PROVIDE ACCESS TO ANYBODY THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PUD?

>> YES. IF YOU SEE, THIS AERIAL GIVES US A LITTLE BIT TO SHOW THE EXISTING PAVEMENT HERE.

THERE'S A BUSINES IN THIS LOCATION, A BUSINESS AND A HOME AT THE END. THIS IS GATED.

I MAY HAVE THAT GATE WRONG BUT IT'S GATED AT SOME POINT HERE.

>> AND IS THAT ROADWAY, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE COUNTED OR WILL

IT BE DEDICATE? >> WE WOULD PLAN TO DPLUT OUR PLAT TO GIVE TO THE COUNTY WHICH WOULD CONNECT TO THE

COUNTY-OWNED ROAD MAN USEY. >> SO EVERYONE WE HAVE ACCESS TO

THE PUBLIC ROAD. >> TO THE PUBLIC ROAD, CORRECT.

>> A QUESTION ON THE AMOUNT OF -- YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW.

UNDER OAVMENTR IT'S 1 ACRE LOTS. >> 1 ACRE LOTS.

>> AND THOSE WOULD BE ON SEPTIC AND WELL?

>> CORRECT. >> AND THIS ENTIRE AREA IS CURRENTLY SEPTIC AND WELL, CORRECT?

>> >> YES, SURROUNDING AND WE HAVE EXISTING WATER/SEWER LINES COMING UP LEWIS SPEEDWAY, OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY FROM THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

>> AND WILL THE EXPANSION OF THE SEWER AND WATER TO PROVIDE TO THIS 11:00 ALLOW FOR ANY EXPANSION OR ANY CAPACITY FOR ANY OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OR WOULD IT POSSIBLY ALLOW THAT?

>> IT COULD. I'LL LOOK FOR -- WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT THIS MORNING. I'LL HAVE JEFF COME UP.

WE WERE LOOKING AT THE LINES. ON THEIR PLACEMENT.

>> JEFF CRAMON 14775 OLD ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE UTILITY AVAILABILITY FOR 250 SOME LOTS THAT WE AREN'T GOING TO BE USG ALL, BUT RIGHT NOW THE WATER LINE COMES AND UP GOES YOU UP MANUCY PAST US.

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AROUND, WHICH WOULD -- LOOP IT AROUND WHICH WOULD FACILITATE THEIR FLOWS AND CAPACITY AND THEN PROVIDE WATER LINES DOWN --

>> SO THIS IS ACTUALLY IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE SERVICE AREA EVEN

THOUGH IT'S IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY? >> YEAH.

>> GOT IT. >> SO THERE IS A POTENTIAL BUT THOSE DETAILS HAVEN'T BEEN WORKED OUT YET.

>> JEFF, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH IS GOING TO BE SPENT ON WATER AND SEWER TO BRING IT TO THIS AREA?

>> WE DID AN ESTIMATE A WHILE AGO BUT PRICES HAVE GONE SO CRAZY THAT I WOULDN'T EVEN HAZARD TO.

>> EITHER WAY IT'S NOT JUST THE $800,000 PLUS YOU'RE SPENDING ON TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS. YOU'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING SIX FIGURES NORTH OF THAT FOR WATER AND SEWER.

>> YES. WE'VE GOT TO RUN A FORCE MAIN DOWN TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND THEN THE POTENTIAL OF OUR WATER LINE CONNECTION AND THEN POSSIBLY OVER TO 4TH STREET TO CONNECT

IN. >> AND EVEN IF THAT DIDN'T BRING WATER AND SEWER DIRECTLY TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, IT WOULD CERTAINLY REDUCE THE COSTS IN THE FUTURE TO BRING WATER AND

SEWER TO THAT PROPERTY. >> IT WOULD BRING WATER AND SEWER TO MANUCY AND MANUCY IS IS PORTER-STAR CILLO INTERSECTION WHICH WERE OPEN IT UP FOR OTHERS.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THERE THIA QUESTION FOUR, JEFF, OR MAYBE DOUG. I'M LOOKING AT SECTION 3.04O.4B IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT SOWED EXOAD AND IT SAYS -- AND PART OF THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE AIRPORT OVERLAY DISTRICT -- IT SAYS "ALL EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS SHALL REMAIN WITH ADDITIONAL LIMITATIONS OUTLINED BELOW, SUB-PAREN 1, IN ADDITION TO A RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY, WHICH IS US, CHANGES TO ANY ZONING DISTRICT SHALL BE REVIEWED BY THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND A RECOMMENDATION FORWARDED PRIOR TO BEING PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS." HAS THERE ABOUT AN AN AERATE AIRPORT AUTHORITY MEETING AND

ANY RECOMMENDATION VOTED ON? >> NOT, BUT WE HAVE A LETTER AND MODIFIED OUR PUD TEXT TO ADDRESS THAT.

>> OKAY. SO I DON'T HAVE A LETTER IN OUR

PACKET. >> OH, IN THE PACKET? WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY.

IT CAUSED A CHANGE TO OUR PUD THAT WOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE AN ALLEGATION EASEMENT OVER THE PROPERTY TO ALERT THEM OF

AIRPORT OVERLEI DISTRICT. >> AND IT'S -- THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR DOUG. DOES THE AIRPORT HOLD A PUBLIC MEETING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON IT?

>> NO, I'LL SPEAK TO THAT. LET ME ALSO STATE FOSTER RECORD SO THAT IT'S CLEAR, I AM THE ATTORNEY FOR THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND HAVE BEEN THE ATTORNEY FOR THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY SINCE THE EARLY 2000S.

THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY REVIEWS THOSE MATTERS BECAUSE IT IS

WITHIN -- >> SORRY.

WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE BUT FOR THE RECORD.

>> DOUG BURNETT, ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAW GROUP 104 SEA GROUP MAIN STREET. JUST TO REPEAT, I'VE BEEN THE ATTORNEY FOR THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY SO OBVIOUSLY A CONFLICT BUT FOR THE FACT THAT THIS ISSUE GOT RESOLVED PRIOR TO ME BEING INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT.

I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT.

WHEN THIS CAME UP IT WAS CYCLED. THE USUAL PROCESS IS THAT COUNTY STAFF MAKES THE AIRPLANE STAFF AWARE OF IT AND THE AIRPORT STAFF, ALTHOUGH IT MAY SAY THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY, IT DOESN'T TO GO A FORMAL AUTHORITY MEETINGS OR APPROVAL BY THE AUTHORITY IT.

GOES TO STAFF. STAFF LOOKS AT AND IT MAKES A DETERMINATION ON WHAT SHOULD HATCH TO IT.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT AT THE STAFF LEVEL, FOR EXAMPLE, HISTORY-WISE THERE HAS BEEN PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN OPPOSED BY THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY. THIS ONE AS OUTSIDE OF THE ZONE WHERE IT WOULD BE OPPOSED. IT ALSO IS NOT, FOR EXAMPLE, CAUSING A HEIGHT ISSUE SUCH AS A CELL TOWER BECAUSE WE HAVE OPPOSED THOSE BEFORE. WHEN THIS CAME THROUGH THE USUAL CYCLE FOR RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS LIKE THIS AROUND THE AUTHORITY IS TO REQUIRE THE ALLEGATION EASEMENT.

THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY HAS A STANDARD FORM.

CORDOVA PALMS, FOR EXAMPLE WITH IS SUBJECT TO IT.

THE PROJECT SOUTH, IT'S HAD A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT NAMES, BUT THE PROJECT SOUTH OF THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY MA DURA OR WHATEVER THAT IS ACROSS THE COURTHOUSE COMPLEX, ACROSS THE STREET, IT'S SUBJECT TO THE SAME NAVIGATION EASEMENT BASICALLY IT SPEAKS TO THINGS SUCH AS PARTICULATE MATTERS, LIGHTS, VIBRATION, THE OTHER SORTS OF OF THINGS IT MAY ENCOUNTER IF YOU LIVE MAN IN AN AREA WHERE PLANES ARE LANDING. THAT WAS SENT TO THE APPLICANT, AND THEY AGREED AND PUT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THE PUD TEXT THAT AT THE TIME OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL THEY WOULD RECORD THE NAVIGATION EASEMENT SO THAT DID AWAY WITH THAT ISSUE FROM THE AUTHORITY'S PERSPECTIVE.

SUBSEQUENT I BECAME INVOLVED THE IN PROJECT.

>> DID YOU READ INTO 3.0404 THAT THAT IS STAFF LEVEL AND THAT IS THE DETERMINATION THAT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY MADE?

>> I THINK I READ IT AS THOUGH THE AUTHORITY OR ITS DESIGNEE, SIMILAR TO THE WAY THE COUNTY OPERATES, THE COUNTY

ADMINISTRATOR IS DESIGNATING. >> THIS DOESN'T SAY THE

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AND YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT. IT MIGHT JUST BE STAFF.

HERE'S THE LANGUAGE. "IN ADDITION TO RECOMMENDATION BY THE PLANNING & ZONING AGENCY, CHANGES TO ANY ZONING DISTRICT SHALL BE REVIEWED BY THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND A REPUBLICS FORWARDED PRIOR TO BEING PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION." SO YOU'RE JUST SAYING YOU'RE READ OF IT IS THAT STAFF CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, NOT

THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY. >> CORRECT.

AND BY THE DEFINITION, AS I UNDERSTAND THE INTERPRETATION, HAS BEEN PAID OVER THE YEARS BY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND PERHAPS THE AUTHORITY ITSELF.

THAT STILL GOES THROUGH HIS OFFICE FOR REVIEW.

>> OKAY. >> IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVES THAT NEEDS TO GO TO THE AUTHORITY'S ATTENTION FOR THEM TO WEIGH IN ON, THEN SIRNLT DOES.

AND LIKE I SAID ON GUN CLUB ROAD WE HAVE APPROVED -- WE HAVE OPPOSED PROJECTS IN PAST, INCLUDING FILING A WERE IT WRIT OF, DEPIGS FOR BRIFT SER SHORE TO TAKE TO IT CIRCUIT COURT.

>>Y IS YOU'VE CHALLENGED ZONINGS AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY BUT YOUR OPINION AS THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ATTORNEY IS THAT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO MAKE A

FORMAL RECOMMENDATION. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> IS THAT IT, MR. MILLER? >> YES.

>> AND, BY THE WAY, THIS COAMTION UP EGG PRETTY REGULARLY, AND ON A REGULAR BASIS AIRPORT AUTHORITY STAFF REVIEW THESE MATTER. I'M NOT EVEN INVOLVED IN THAT

PROCESS MOST OF THE TIME. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> DR. MCCORMICK.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LINDSEY.

OBVIOUSLY I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOLS, RIGHT? IN YOUR STATEMENT YOU SAID THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, YOU HAVE APPROVAL ON CONCURRENCY FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR YEARS 2021 TO 2023, COVERING TWO YEARS. AND WITH THE SCHOOLS AT FULL CAPACITY, MEANING -- TELL ME. DOES THAT MEAN THEY'RE AT FULL

CAPACITY NOW? >> NO, MEANING THEY HAVE OUR -- WHAT OUR DEVELOPMENT COULD GENERATE PER STUDENT STATIONS, THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY RESERVED FOR OUR STUDENTS.

>> FOR YOUR STUDENTS. >> CORRECT, YES.

>> OKAY. SO THAT'S THE AGREEMENT WITH THE

SCHOOL DISTRICT. >> CORRECT.

SO WE -- BECAUSE THERE IS CAPACITY, THERE ARE SEATS AVAILABLE, WE DO NOT NEED TO ENTER INTO A PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE THE EXPANSION OF ADDITIONAL SEATS,

SO THERE'S CAPACITY. >> OKAY.

SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THEY'LL HAVE A NEW SCHOOL BY

THAT TIME FOR THESE STUDENTS. >> WE'LL PAY YACKET HAVE IMPACT

FEES. >> PORTER FEES.

>> WE'LL PAY IMPACT FEES. SO THEY RESERVED SEATS FOR OUR STUDENTS THAT WOULD BE GENDER AT ALL LEVEL, ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE

AND HIGH. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM AGENCY MEMBERS? NEXT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO A DESIGNATED SPEAKER, MS. QUARTO. WOULD YOU COME ON UP AND YOU

HAVE TEN MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> MR. MATOVINA, PURSUANT TO THE AGENCY POLICY, I WOULD LIKE TO SWEAR MS. QUOTERO IN AND ASK HER

A QUESTION. >> YES.

>> IF YOU WOULD FIRST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAMED DEPORT RECORD.

>> DARLA MAXWELL QUORTO 44O.5 MANUCY ROAD.

>> AND MS. QUARTER QUOTERO DO YOU SWEAR AND AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH BEFORE THE PLANNING EXPN AND ZONING AGENCY.

>> I DO. >> AND YOU PREVIOUSLY PROVIDE AID LIST OF NAMES THAT YOU INTEND TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF

TODAY. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> A COP OF THAT LIST HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN RECORD AND PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT. IS IT YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY THAT YOU HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED BY EACH PERSON ON THAT LIST TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF REGARDING THIS ZONING APPLICATION?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M CARLA QUOTERO DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE FOR MANY CONCERNED NEIGHBORS.

I LIVE AT 4405 MANUCY ROAD ON 1.8 ACRES.

AS A REMINDER, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN ON YOUR AGENDA TWICE.

YOU VOTED 4-2 TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.

WHEN PORTER PROJECT -- >> MS. QUOTERO, COULD YOU BE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.

>> SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> NO PROBLEM.

>> YOU VOTED 4-2 TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.

WHEN PORTER PROJECT WENT BACK TO BCC IN SEPTEMBER, THE APPLICANT WAS GRANTED A REMAND BACK TO PZA TO CARRY OUT THEIR PROMISE OF REVISIONS TO ADDRESS COMPATIBILITY ISSUES -- UH-OH.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. COMPATIBILITY ISSUES, SAFETY ISSUES AT LEWIS SPEEDWAY ACCESS, INSUFFICIENT RIGHT-OF-WAY ON

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WE WERE GRATEFUL TO HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COLLABORATE WITH ETM ON NOVEMBEE THEIR EFFORTS TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES, BUT WE'RE VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE ACTUAL REVISIONS THEY PRESENTED TO US THAT DAY.

THEY INCLUDED ONLY A REDUCTION IN DENSITY FROM 237 TO 223, WHICH IS 14 HOUSES LESS, JUST INSIDE THE MANUCY ROAD ACCESS TO THE PROJECT AND REPLACED BY POND FOR DRAINAGE.

THEIR PRESENTATION OF LEWIS SPEEDWAY REVISIONS WERE THE SAME AS ORIGINAL PLANS, JUST A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, BUT THERE WERE TOO MANY INACCURACIES. WE WERE COLLECTIVELY NOT IN SUPPORT OF THESE MINIMAL REVISIONS AS THEY DID NOT RESOLVE THE ISSUES AS PROMISED TO BCC AND TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO A REQUEST WAS MADE BY ETM TO YOUR AGENCY NOVEMBER 18TH FOR ANOTHER CONTINUANCE WITH A PROPOSAL FOR CONCEPTUAL ROUNDABOUT ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY. WE SEE THIS AS THE FIRST ATTEMPT TO REALLY ADDRESS SOME OF THE MAJOR ISSUES WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY, MY NEIGHBORS AND I HAVE A FEW GOOD REASONS WHY THIS PROJECT SHOULD STILL BE DENIED.

REASON NUMBER 1, ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 6.06 REQUIRES 60-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR LOCAL ROADWAY STANDARDS BUT THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE WHEN AN EXISTING ROAD DOESN'T ALLOW FOR 60, THE BARE MINIMUM RIGHT-OF-WAY IS 50 FEET, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE ASTERISK AT THE BOTTOM.

THESE ETM DOCUMENTS FROM PORTER PROJECT SHOWING ALTERNATIVE TO DOUBLE ACCESS POINTS ACKNOWLEDGED THE REQUIREMENT FOR UPGRADES TO RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THE LOCAL ROADWAY STANDARDS ON MANUCY ROAD, SARTILLO ROAD AND 5TH STREET.

WE WERE TOLD THAT THE NEW PLANS WOULD HAVE REVISIONS TO INCREASE RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT THERE ARE NO CHANGES IN ANY PLANS THEY HAVE PROPOSED. WE LIVE ON THE LOCAL ROADWAY MANUCY ROAD. THE SOUTHWEST ACCESS POINT OF THE PROPOSED PORTER PROJECT. IT ENTERS MANUCY ON A 60-FOOT PROFICIENT BUT THEN FUNNELS DOWN TO ONLY A 40-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY WHICH DOES NOT MEET THAT 50 MINIMUM FOR EXISTING ROADWAYS.

THE ESTIMATES OF CAR TRIPS CREATED ON THIS ROADWAY WITH THE REVISED PLANS WOULD BE NEARLY 1400 AT ALMOST 130 PEAK HOURLY TRIPS. BY THE WAY, COMPARE THAT TO THE CURRENT TOTAL TRAFFIC IN AN ENTIRE DAY OUR ON ROAD WHICH IS 133. MANUCY ROAD'S LANE WIDTH OF 9 FEET ALSO DOES NOT MEET THE 1S COUNTY LAND DEVELOP TABLE 6.07.

WITH NO UPGRADES TO IR WIDEN THIS VERY NARROW ROAD IN THE PROPOSED PROJECT PLANS. IN FACT, THE INTERSECTION OF MANUCY ROAD AND OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY IS SUCH A TIGHT NARROW TURN THAT I SOUTHBOUND CAR ON MANUCY CURRENTLY HAS TO PULL OFF INTO THE GRASS OR PROPOSED SIDEWALK IF A CAR OR TRUCK IS TURNING ONTO MANUCY. THE INCOMING CAR THAT IS A BLIND SPOT AND HAS TO SWING WIDE INTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE NORTH. ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS THAT ROADWAY IS UNACCEPTABLE.

PORTER ROAD ACCESS POINT ALSO FUNNELS CARS FROM 60-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY AND 9-FOOT PAVEMENT LANES DOWN TO SARTILLO ROAD WHICH IS ONLY 30-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH EVEN SMALLER LANES, 7-1/2 TO 8-1/2. ALSO NOT UP TO LOCAL ROAD STANDARD, AND NO UPGRADES PLANNED AS WELL.

FOR THE RECORD, I MEASURED THESE LANES MYSELF.

SARTILLO IS ONE OF THE THREE OPTIONS FOR THE TRAFFIC THAT THE NORTHEAST ACCESS POINT. IT IS A SHORTER AND MORE DIRECT ROUTE TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY THAN AVENUE D SO THEREFORE THE MORE PREFERRED ROUTE BY LOCAL RESIDENTS.

YET THERE IS NO MENTION OF SARTILLO IN THE PLANS AND MODELS OR CHARTS IN THE TRAFFIC STUDIES FOR PORTER PROJECT.

ETM IN THIS CHART CLAIMS THRSES ZERO TRAFFIC PROJECT THAT.

GO USING SARTILLO. WE LOCALS KNOW THESE ARE UNREALISTIC PROJECTED TRAFFIC NUMBERS AND ARE SIMPLY UNTRUE.

THIS PROJECT TRAFFIC WOULD ABSOLUTELY COMPOUND THE CURRENT ROADWAY DEFICIENCIES ON SARTILLO.

SINCE SARTILLO ROAD IS SO NARROW IN PLACES THATTERS CA HAVE TO PULL OVER TO LET OTHER CARS PASS, ESPECIALLY SCHOOL BUSES, TRUCKS. THERE ARE LITERALLY TREES GROWING INTO THE ROAD WAUGH, HENCE THE 7-1/2 FOOT LANES.

THE OTHER TWO OPTIONS TO AND FROM PORTER ACCESS ARE AVENUE D TO 5TH STREET AND US-1 INTERSECTION OR AVENUE D TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY OPPOSITE SAN SEBASTIAN VIEW.

EICH OF THESE INTERSECTIONS POSE THEIR OWN SET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY AND TRAFFIC ISSUES. THE FIRST OF THESE TWO OPTIONS, 5TH STREET, IS ALSO 30-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND I'M GOING TO ETM'S CHARTS ON THAT. I HEARD HER SAY OTHERWISE BUT I'M GOING BY WHAT THE CHART SAID, AND IT'S NOT UP TO THE

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BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, TO ACCESS THIS INTERSECTION WOULD REQUIRE RESIDENTS TO DRIVE FROM PORTER ACCESS NORTH TO SOUTH, LEFT ON PORTER WEST TO EAST, THEN RIGHT, THEN LEFT TURN ON AVENUE D SOUTH TO NORTH, THEN RIGHT TURN ON 5TH STREET WEST TO EASY TO US-1. IT'S NOT SO DIRECT.

THE ALTERNATE OPENING AVENUE D WOULD BRING HUNDREDS MORE CARS TO THE LEWIS SPEEDWAY INTERSECTION THAT IS ALREADY DIFFICULT DURING PEAK HOURS. THERE IS TALK OF FAIR PROPORTIONATE SHARE DOLLARS FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT AVENUE D LEWIS SPEEDWAY BUT WE ARE TOLD IT IS NOT A GUARANTEED UPGRADE AND IT COULD BE YEARS, IF EVER, BEFORE WE MIGHT GET THIS UPGRADE. REASON NUMBER TWO THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE DENIED. THE INTENSITY AND DENSITY OF PORTER PROJECT IS STILL NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE OPERATING CHARACTERISTICS OF EXISTING ROADWAY SEGMENTS AND INTERSECTIONS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED.

THE PROPOSED PROJEC TRAFFIC EVEN AFTER REVISIONS WOULD HAVE UNREASONABLE IMPACT ON WEAR AND TEAR OF THESE ROADWAYS THAT WERE DESIGNED TO HANDLE LOWER IMPACT TRAFFIC AND NO UPGRADES THE IN PLANS OR PROISMSZ BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE OR MAINTENANCE OF THESE PROCEEDED WAYS. REASON NUMBER THREE, DRAINAGE AND FLOODING ISSUES ARE GETTING WORSE WITH EVERY FLEW DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. WE HAVE CONTINUED TO NOTICE MORE STANDING WATER WITH EACH PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION THAT IS OCCURRING WEST OF US ON AND OFF OF WOODLAWN.

AS I MENTIONED, ET MCHT'S REVISED PLANS ADDED ONE MORE POND JUST INSIDE THE MANUCY MAIN ACCESS POINT TO HELP MITIGATE WATER RUNOFF TO THE SOUTH BUT WHAT ABOUT THE RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH AND EAST ON PORTER ROAD, PORTER ROAD EXTENSION AND SARTILLO ROAD WHO CONTINUALLY HAVE FLOODING ISSUES IN IS THE IMPERVIOUS SOILS HER WHICH COMMON TO THIS AREA COMBINED WITH HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS MORE OF FILL DIRT ELEVATING THE LOTS EVEN HIGHER WOULD ADD MORE RUNOFF AND FLOODING FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS JUST OUTSIDE THE PROJECT.

THAT ADDED POND TO THE SOUTH DOES NOTHING FOR THEM.

THERE ARE 60 PLUS PROPOSED HOUSES ALONG THE NORTH AND WEST BORDERS OF THE PROJECT. WE'RE TOLD BY THE APPLICANT THAT THE WATER FROM THESE HOUSES WILL BE DIRECTED INWARD, BUT PORTER PROJECT HOUSES WOULD BE CONSIDERABLY UPHILL FROM EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SIMPLE FACT IS WATER RUNS DOWNHILL DESPITE THE PRE-POST RULE.

IF ALL OF THESE WATER MITIGATION SYSTEMS OF WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IN THIS COUNTY WERE FULLY FUNCTIONAL, WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING SO MUCH FLOODING IN THE OLDER, MORE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS. REASON FOUR, COMPATIBILITY.

PORTER PROJECT IS ZONED PUD RESIDENTIAL WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH ANY OF THESE SURROUNDING LARGE OR ZONED NEIGHBORHOODS. CONTRADICTING ET MCHT'S REPORT I QUOTE, MOST OF THE SURROUNDING SINGLE HOME DWELLINGS ARE SITUATED ON 1 ACRE OR LESS AS SHOWN HERE ON THIS AERIAL, MOST OF THE SURROUNDING HOMES OR 1 ACRE, WHICH IS 43,560 SQUARE FEET OR MORE. PORTER PROJECT PUD ALLOWS 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT MINIMUMS. THE CHANGES IN THE ORIGINAL PLANS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SIGNIFICANT BUT PORTER PROJECT IS STILL INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.

IN FACT, THEY ARE POLAR OPPOSITE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP END ZONE SHOWS RES-B FOR THIS ENTIRE AREA BUT I BELIEVE IT SHOULDN'T. OUR EXISTING PROPERTIES THAT SURROUND THIS PROPOSED PROJECT WILL AS BE O.R.

PORTER PROPERTY IS SWITCHED BETWEEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WATER MANAGEMENT CONSERVATION AREA AND OR PROPERTIES.

THE ONLY WAY FOR THIS PROJECT TO TRULY BE COMPATIBLE IS TO RAIP OR WITH ONE HOME PER ACRE. REMAIN.

REASON NUMBER FIVE, DR. HILSENBECK, I ACTUALLY -- YOU ALREADY READ THIS, I THINK. THE PUD COMMENTS BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY CITING BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BREVARD COUNTY VERSUS SNYDER STATES THAT A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE -- DO

I HAVE TO STOP OR -- >> YOU CAN FINISH UP THIS POINT

RIGHT HERE, MS. QUARTO. >> DO I NEED TO READ THIS PART? DO YOU COMIES KNOW BREVARD COUNTY VERSUS INSIDER.

>> >> SNYDER.

>> PUBLIC PURPOSE OF KEEPING THE EXISTING ZONING INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO THAT REZONING PRODUCES AN URBAN SPRAWL PATTERN DEVELOPMENT, IS SPOT ZONING, PRODUCES INCOMPATIBILITY OR DEVIATION FROM AN ESTABLISHED OR DEVELOPING LOICIALG OR ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT, PRODUCES SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT UPON PROPERTY VALUES OF THE ADJACENT OR NEARBY PROPERTIES, OR DETRACTS FROM THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY CREATING EXCESSIVE NOISE, LIGHTS, VIBRATION, FUMES, ODORS, DUST, PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES AND OTHER DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS OR NUISANCES.

PORTER PROJECT MEET ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THESE PUBLIC PURPOSES TO

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DENY A REZONING. >> THANK YOU, MS. QUARTO.

SO, MS. QUARTO WAS REPRESENTING 33 PEOPLE.

>> I'VE GOT -- >> HOW MANY CARDS DO YOU HAVE?

>> I COUNTED 12 PLUS, AND I'M GOING TO READ OUT THE NAMES.

IF SOMEONE HAS BEEN REPRESENTED BY MS. QUARTO IF THEY COULD JUST LET US KNOW BEFORE YOU GET UP TO SPEAK.

>> GO SLOW BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE.

>> NEVEA FOREMAN. >> CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING, PLEASE? I WANTED PEOPLE TO STAND UP SO YOU COULD SEE. I KIND OF DISCOURAGED PEOPLE FROM DOING WHAT WE -- AT THE LAST PZA MEETING YOU GUYS REMEMBER THERE WAS A LINE OUT THE DOOR ALMOST, AND I JUST WANTED THEM TO STAND UP AND LET YOU KNOW WHO IS HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SO THEY DON'T ALL HAVE TO GET UP AND SPEAK TODAY BECAUSE THEY PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH WHAT I

SAID. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MIC FORMING BUT WE MIE FOREMAN BUT.

>> NEVA FOREMAN? >> NO.

>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAIMEDZ, MA'AM.

-- NAME AND ADDRESS. >> FARCH GOOD AFTERNOON.

THE MY NAME IS NEVA FOREMAN I LIVE AT 3735 OLD LEWIS SPEED WAY. WHEN I SPOKE AT LAST AUGUST'S HEARINGS ON THIS PROPERTY, MY CONCERN AT THAT TIME WAS THE DRAINAGE ISSUES IN THIS WHOLE AREA WHEREAS I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT MYSELF, NOW THE PLANNERS OF THIS ACREAGE WANT TO CREATE A ROUNDABOUT TO CORRECT A TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ISSUE BY POSSIBLY MAKING OUR DRAINAGE ISSUES MUCH WORSE.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS SPENTERS I DO NOT ON THE AREA'S DITCHES TO ALLEVIATE OUR FLOODING PROBLEMS. NOW ETM IS PROPOSING A PLAN WHICH WILL TOTAL CHANGE OUR AREA'S DRAINAGE.

OUR DITCHES ARE DEEP AND WIDE AND THEY STILL CANNOT HANDLE THE VOLUME. AND I HAVE PHOTOS I. WHICH I'D LIKE TO SHOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW --

>> IF YOU GO TO THAT MIDDLE PODIUM, MA'AM.

>> I'M SORRY? >> RIGHT OVER HERE.

JUST TO YOUR LEFT. KEEP WALKING.

>> JUST TO YOUR LEFT RIGHT HERE. >> THE NEXT ONE.

>> >> THIS PHOTO IS TAKEN FROM E CORNER OF OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND TART ROAD. THIS ONE IS MY FRONT YARD.

ALONG THAT FENCE LINE THE DITCH IS ABOUT 5 TO 6 FETE DEEP AND ABOUT 7 FEET WIDE. OUR CURRENT SYSTEM CARRIES FLOOD WATERS IN TWO DIRECTIONS, EAST AND WEST.

ANOTHER IMPACT WITH THIS ROUNDABOUT ADDITION IS THAT EVERY VEHICLE TRAVELING ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY WOULD HAVE TO SLOW CONSIDERABLY ON THIS SWEEPING CURVE TO ENTER THE CIRCLE.

ARE WE TO TOTAL CHANGE THE CURRENT TRAFFIC FLOW TO ENABLE THIS PROJECT TO PROCEED, WHICH WILL ONLY BENEFIT THE OWNER OF PORTER PROPERTY AND THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY'S TAX BASE? AND WHAT ABOUT THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS? ETM IS TRYING DESPERATELY TO PLAN FOR THIS NEW COMMUNITY AND DAMN THE REST OF US. MY LAST BUT NOT LEAST ISSUE IS THE VERY LARGE TRACTOR-TRAILERS AND OTHER LARGE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES. 223 HOUSES MEANS 203 TRACTORS CARRYING TRUSTS, LUMBER, ET CETERA, ET CETERA PERHAPS ENTERING OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY FROM THE EAST.

CAN THEY NEGOTIATE THAT TURN SAFELY? LIKEWISE, THE TURN ONTO MANUCY WITH A PAVEMENT OF ONLY 19 FEET.

THIS CONSTRUCTION WILL OCCUR OVER SEVERAL YEARS, DISRUPTING OUR QUIET COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MAT VEEN, A SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION.

AND FOR THE RECORD CHRISTINE, YOUR ASSISTANT COIN ATTORNEY.

CAN I ASK THE SPEAKER A QUESTION, PLEASE?

>> YES. MA'AM, YOU NEED TO TURN THOSE MATERIALS IN BUT COME ON UP TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.

>> YES. >> YES, THANK YOU.

YOU PROVIDED SOME PHOTOGRAPHS. >> YES.

>> WHEN WERE THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN?

>> PROBABLY FIVE YEARS AGO. AND THERE HAS BEEN SOME IMPROEMENT ON THE DRAINAGE, BUT NOT SUFFICIENTLY.

>> AND WERE THOSE CONDITIONS AFTER A HURRICANE OR TROPICAL

STORM OR REGULAR STORM EVENT? >> IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE

WORST SUMMER STORMS. >> THANK YOU.

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>> THANK YOU. I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD KNOW THAT, BUT -- OKAY. WHO IS NEXT?

>> AND I APOLOGIZE IF I DO NOT GET HIS FIRST NAME RIGHT.

BELLARMINE ELLERWOOD. AND MR. MATOVINA IS CHECKING TO

SEE IF YOU'RE ON THE LIST. >> YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.

>> >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M BELLARMINE ELLERWOOD 5060 PORTER ROAD. I KNOW THAT SOME OF THESE ITEMS HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED BUT I HAVE THIS PREPARED BEFORE I CAM CAME. JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE DRIVEN TO SARTILLO ROAD AND PORTER ROAD? HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN OUR RURAL COMMUNITY WITH THE HOMES IN AT LEAST AN ACRE LOT? HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN CHILDREN RUN FREELY TO THE YARDS OR PLAY AND RIDE BIKES ON THOSE ROADS? HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS A CRIME-FREE COMMUNITY? HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE WILDLIFE? HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE REALIZED THAT THAT LAND STHAL BE DESTROYED ALSO LIVES THE BALL EAGLE, GOLDEN TOURNAMENT, SNAPPING TURTLES, RED FOXES, RACCOONS, HAWKS, OWLS, TO MENTION SOME, AS WELL AS VENOMOUS SNAKES LIKE MOCCASINS, THREE KINDS OF RELATE SNAKES, COPPERHEAD, CORAL SNAKES THAT WOULD BE FORCED INTO OUR YARDS ENDANGERING ENDANGERING CHILDREN'S LIVES AS WELL AS OURS. IT WILL ALSO CAUSE THE EXTINCTION OF THOSE ANIMALS, ESPECIALLY THE PROTECTED ONES.

DID YOU HAVE THE APPROVAL FROM THE U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE, THE NORTH FLORIDA ECOLOGICAL SERVICE FOR THIS PROJECT? DO YOU HAVE A TRAFFIC REPORT TO SARTILLO ROAD? IT IS WELL TRAVELED.

IT IS VERY DANGEROUS TO TRAVEL NORTH GOING OUT OF 5TH STREET, I TAKE SARTILLO ROAD TO GO TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT LEWIS SPEEDWAY. IN FACT, I TRAVEL SARTILLO ROAD NO MATTER WHERE I'M GOING. MR. JEFF CARMEN SAID THAT SHE WILL DISCOURAGE NEW RESIDENTS TO TRAVEL SARTILLO ROAD, THEREFORE, I WOULD LIKE TO SCHEDULE WITH HIS STAFF WHO WOULD POSITION THEMSELVES AT PORTER AND SARTILLO ROAD 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

DO YOU YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS RESPONSIBILITY AT CASTING A VOTE. MAYBE YOU DON'T REALIZE, BUT THAT CHILDREN'S LIVES, OUR LIVES, ANIMAL LIVES, AS WELL AS THE ENVIRONMENT AS A WHOLE IS IN YOUR HANDS.

IF ANY OF THESE CHILDREN GET HARMED OR KILLED, IF CRIME COMES INTO OUR RURAL COMMUNITY, IT COULD BE A RESULT OF YOUR APPROVAL. I WANT TO CYTE MATTHEW END YA:6.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR ANYONE WHO LEADS ASTRAY ANY OF THESE LITTLE ONES WHO BELIEVE IN ME TO BE DROWNED BY A MILLSTONE AROUND HIS NECK IN THE DEPTH OF THE SEA.

THEREFORE, VOTE CONSCIENTIOUSLY. IN THE END, WE ALL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR OUR ACTIONS. AND I HAVE SOME PICTURES --

>> MA'AM, YOU'RE TIME'S UP. >> OKAY -- YOUR TIME'S UP.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

SHERRY BRIGMAN COOPER. AND AFTER THAT VIVIAN HARD

HARDWICK. >> CAN I GO STRAIGHT TO THE

MIDDLE? >> YES, YOU MAY.

>> MY NAME IS SHERRY BRIGMAN COOPER.

I LIVE AT 5325 PORTER ROAD EXTENSION.

I'VE LIVED THERE AND MY FAMILY FOR 49 YEARS.

I WANT TO SHOW YOU YOU SOME PICTURES OF WHAT WAS SAID, THAT THERE IS NO BUS THAT TURNS ONTO PORTER -- OFF OF PORTER ROAD ONTO SARTILLO. LET ME START WITH THIS ONE.

THIS PICTURE SHOWS IT COMING UP FROM PORTER.

AND THIS IS KETTER LENA'S ELEMENTARY.

I TALKED TO THAT BUS DRIVER. SHE SAID THERE'S TWO OTHER BUSES THAT TRAVEL THE SAME ROUTE. HERE'S THAT SAME BUS TURNING FROM PORTER ROAD ONTO SARTILLO. AND THEN HERE'S WHERE I PARK.

MY QUESTION TO YOU, WHEN I PARK TO PICK UP THESE TWO LITTLE

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YOU SEE THE TOP PICTURE? THAT STOP SIGN? I HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET, GET THEM.

YOU SEE MY DOOR'S OPEN. AND I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD BECAUSE THERE'S A DITCH RIGHT THERE ON THE NEXT -- ON THE SIDE OF ME. SO MY QUESTION IS WHEN ALL THESE PEOPLE START COMING DOWN THROUGH THERE, I ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITH THEM COMING THROUGH AND ALMOST HITTING ME AND HITTING MY BOYS. SO NOW WE GOT MORE ANYWAY.

ENOUGH ABOUT THAT. THE USE OF SARTILLO ROAD, MOST OF US THAT LIVE ON PORTER ROAD EXTENSION, WE TAKE SARTILLO ROAD TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY, SO WHOEVER SAID THAT NOT A LOT OF US TAKE IT, WE DO. MY QUESTION, ONE QUESTION IS SARTILLO ROAD GOT PAVED. WE'VE BEEN TRYING FOR YEARS TO GET PORTER ROAD EXTENSION UP TO STANDARDS AND PAVED AND MAINTAINED. IT'S NEVER BEEN MAINTAINED.

I FEEL LIKE OUR ROAD IS WIDER, AND I HAVEN'T MEASURED IT, THAN SARTILLO BUT THEY JUST GOT PHD I PAVED.

I WONDER WHY. I CAN DRIVE MY TRUCK DOWN SARTILLO AND I HAVE TO PULL OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IF ANOTHER TRUCK IS COMING AT ME BECAUSE ONE OF US IS GOING TO HIT EACH OTHER, SO THERE'S ANOTHER EVIDENCE THAT IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR TWO VEHICLES. THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES.

Y'ALL SAY THAT 237 VEHICLES OUT OF 237 HOUSES.

RIGHT NOW IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE HOUSE IS USUALLY TWO TO THREE VEHICLES. SO ADD ANOTHER 500 VEHICLES COMING OUT OF THAT SUBDIVISION. DRAINAGE.

I LIVE THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS PROJECT AND TREES ARE ALREADY FALLING FROM THE LAND BEING WET, AND THIS IS CURRENT.

THIS IS LAST YEAR. IT HAPPENED.

IT WASN'T A STORM. IT'S JUST THAT THE LAND IS WET.

OKAY. WE ALL HAVE 5-ACRE LOTS SURROUNDING THAT WHOLE SUBDIVISION EXCEPT FOR RIGHT ON PORTER ROAD. THERE'S A FEW 1 ACRE.

SO WHERE THEY GOT THAT THESE LOTS ARE SMALL, NO, WE ALL HAVE 5 TO 10 ACRES. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU.

AND JUST LEAVE THESE HERE? >> YES.

>> VIVIAN HARDWICK. [INAUDIBLE]

>> I'VE GOT A JEFF AND VIVIAN ON ONE CARD SO EITHER JEFF OR VIVIAN. SO NO ONE WANTS TO SPEAK? OKAY. SORRY.

[INAUDIBLE] GREGORY AND LILA ROAREX.

I'M SORRY. I CAN'T HEAR THEM.

>> THEY SAID THEY'RE GOOD. >> DEBBIE JAMES.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. DEBBIE JAMES, 557 NORTH HORSESHOE ROAD. I WAS GOING TO SAY SOME THINGS BUT THANK YOU, DOCTOR, FOR SAYING WHAT I WANTED TO SAY.

AND I THANK YOU, CARLA, FOR ALL YOUR ENDEAVORS AND WHAT SHE'S DONE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. ON HORSESHOE ROAD IT IS STILL A BLIND CURVE. AND WITH THIS PROPOSAL, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUTRIGHT ON A ROUNDABOUT BECAUSE CARS GOING TO BE COMING, SOY I WONT BE ABLE TO GO RIGHT AND COMING BACK FROM US-1 GOING SOUTH, I NOW CAN'T MAKE A LEFT.

I DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT OPTION. SO I, OF COURSE, AM AGAINST THIS. IT'S VERY DANGEROUS, AND THERE'S SPEEDWAY. YOU DO NOT PUT A ROUNDABOUT ON A SPEEDWAY. THANK YOU.

>> NEXT SPEAKER IS CHARLES MCHONE?

MY APOLOGIES. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, GENTLEMEN.

MARLINS MCKONE 4952PORT ROAD. FIRST, THANK YOU.

YOUR POSITION IS NOTEE'S SO YOU GET APPLAUDED AND BOOED ALL ON THE SAME DAY. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT JUST THE SAFETY. I'VE LIVED ON D AVENUE SINCE '84. MET MY WIFE IN '89 AND I STILL LIVE ON D AVENUE. RAISED BOTH OF MY CHILDREN THERE. SAME THING WE'VE ALL SAID.

IT'S JUST NOT LADY. THE LAND WILL THE LAND WILL BE DEVELOPED ONE DAY IN MAYBE 1 ACRE LOTS, WHICH IS FINE, BUT YOU ARE ROADS ARE JUST TOO LITTLE.

JUST NOT ENOUGH SPACE THERE. AGAIN, THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> JOHN KORDIC.

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>> HELLO, EVERYBODY. CAN I GIVE MORE TIME TO CARLA

FOR ME OR IS IT TOO LATE? >> NO.

SHE ONLY GETS TEN MINUTES, SIR. >> OKAY.

MY NAME IS JOHN KORDIC, 4404 MANUCY ROAD.

I'M WORRIED ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES.

THAT'S ONE THING. PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN.

COMMON SENSE TELLS THAT YOU PROPERTY VALUES ON A SIDE STREET DON'T GO UP WITH MORE TRAFFIC AND NOISE ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRUCKS AND CARS CONSTANTLY COMING THROUGH.

200 PLUS MORE HOMES ARE GOING TO FUNNEL HUNDREDS OF MORE CARS THROUGH OUR LITTLE TINY SIDE STREETS.

IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE, -- THEY'RE TRYING TO TURN THE SIDE STREET INTO A MAIN STREET AND NO ONE IN THE AREA HERE WANTS TO SEE THIS AT ALL. IF ANY OF YOU LIVED THERE, I'M SURE YOU WOULDN'T, EITHER. QUALITY OF LIFE IS GOING TO BE SEVERELY DAMAGED FOR YEARS. YEARS DURING CONSTRUCTION.

AND AFTER THAT THE TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT.

THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO COMMON SENSE INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THIS PROJECT. I THOUGHT THESE KIND OF DEVELOPMENTS WERE SUPPOSED TO COME ONTO A MAIN STREET WHEN THEY'RE THIS BIG. THIS IS RUNNING THROUGH A REAL PERSONAL SIDE STREET NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY THERE FOROVER 20 YEARS AND I HAVE NOT HAD ONE PIECE OF ANYTHING STOLEN OFF OF OUR PROPERTY, AND I'VE TALKED EVERYBODY TO HERE AND NONE OF THEM HAVE, EITHER.

WHO KNOWS WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, THE SUBCONTRACTORS AND THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING PAST ALL OF OUR HOUSES CHECKING AND LOOKING IN OUR DRIVEWAYS.

I'VE BEEN TOLD THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS THAT THEY NEEDED A 50-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY. NOW FOR SOME REASON THEY DON'T.

I DON'T KNOW WHY BECAUSE OF THE TWO ENTRANCES OR WHATEVER, BUT THERE'S A 40-FOOT. I'M AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT HERE.

CARLA AND I ARE AT THE BEAUMONT. THERE'S A LITTLE FUNNEL THAT EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE FUNNELING THROUGH, THAT RED DOT.

WE'RE PAST THAT DOT. WE'RE ON THE DOT DOT RIGHT ON THAT CORNER. THESE A 40-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY.

IF IT'S A MINOR ROAD AREN'T THEY SUPPOSED TO HAVE A BIKE PATH OR SOMETHING I THOUGHT I READ? ANYWAY -- THE DENSITY DOES NOT MEET, MATCH OR EVEN COME CLOSE TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR AREA.

THIS PROJECT JUST NEEDS COMMON SENSE INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE IF THERE WAS A MAIN ROAD COMING UP AT, NONE OF US WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. THIS IS A QUAINT NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE STREET. THE REASON YOU GUYS TURNED IT DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE, BECAUSE OF THESE REASONS.

WE, ALL THE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED.

WE HOPE AS WELL THAT YOU SEE THIS.

I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE TRAVELED IT AND HAVE BEEN THERE.

IF YOU GET ON THAT LITTLE SIDE STREET AND YOU LOOK AROUND AND TRY TO EXREFNED WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER THIS MONSTROSITY HITS, IT'S SAD. IT'S A VERY BUSY AND DANGEROUS CURVE. I CAN GO ON ABOUT LEWIS SPEEDWAY. THE ROAD'S ANGLED LIKE THIS.

YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A ROUNDABOUT ON THAT? OKAY. OUR QUIET COMMUNITY AB E. AS WE NOW KNOW KNOW IT WILL BE DEVASTATED.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> CARROLL, NO LAST NAME, 5359 PORTER ROAD.

>> MY NAME IS CAROL MANUCY AND I LIVE AT 53 PORTER ROAD EXTENSIO EXTENSION. SIX ACRES AND WE HAVE LIVED THERE PROBABLY 45 YEARS. AND OUR PROPERTY DOES GET VERY LOW AND HIGH WITH WATER UPON I GUESS IT'S NORTHEASTERN.

AND, OF COURSE, WE ARE ON THE NORTH END THERE OF THE PROJECT, SO I GUESS WE'LL GET SOME OF THAT OVERFLOW ALSO.

I STOLE SOME OF CARLA'S THUNDER HERE SO I'M GOING TO SKIP THROUGH THAT. AND I'LL START SO YOU WON'T HAVE TO LISTEN. OH, LET'S SEE.

OKAY. THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE HAS DIRECTED THEIR APPROVAL OF 152 TOWNHOUSES, WHICH IS CALLED WHISPERING CREEK. THIS IS NOW IN THE CONSTRUCTION STAGE. IT'S NORTH OF ST. AUGUSTINE HIGH. THE ENTRANCES AND THE EXITS WILL BE -- GUESS WHAT? -- LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

NO OTHER WAY. OKAY.

A LARGE LAND PARCEL OWNED BY THE MILLS FAMILY IS LOCATED BETWEEN VARELA AND OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY, AND GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE UNDER REVIEW BY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO PRESENT, CANNOT BE OWNER 100 HOMES. HERE WE GO AGAIN.

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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TOWNHOUSES, THE 152 TOWNHOUSES THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. A POSSIBLE 100 HOMES BY THE MILLS FAMILY AND EXISTING LOCAL TRAFFIC, WHICH I THINK THE MAIN LOCAL TRAFFIC IS 7:00 TO 9:00 A.M. AND MAYBE 4:00 TO 6:00 P.M., I WOULD THINK. BEVE PARENT PICKING UP S FROM GAMBLE MIDDLE SCHOOL. WE HAVE DRIVING STUDENTS AT ST. AUGUSTINE HIGH SCHOOL. ST. JOHNS COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, THE TIMES THAT YOU GUYS LEAVE. AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

CAN WE REALLY ADD ALL OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPOSED IN HERE TO WHAT IS ALREADY ON OUR ROAD? AND THE PROPOSED, . THE SECOND THING IS THE ISSUE OF 4TH AND 5TH STREET. WHICH IS COMING OFF US-1, AND WHICH IS ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVE ROUTES TOTE SUBDIVISION.

THINK ABOUT THIS. THERE'S NO TURNING LANE AT THIS TIME. WHAT ABOUT IF ALL THIS GETS BACKED UP ON US-1? I THINK THE RAILROAD TRACK IS ONLY MAYBE 45 YARDS. WHAT HAPPENS THEN? WE'RE ALL BACKED UP ON US-1. WHAT ABOUT IF THERE'S A WRECK ON US-1? I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AM I OVER?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> OH, GOSH.

THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD DAY.

>> LINDA YAWN. >> MIP I'M LINDA YAWN I LIVE THE 3730 OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY. I'VE WRITTEN Y'ALL A LETTER, BASICALLY I'M JUST GOING TO SAY WHAT I WROTE IN MIGHT.

I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CHILDREN'S SAFETY.

>> CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT INTO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.

>> TART ROAD AND OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY HAVE NO IMPROVEMENTS ON

IT. >> MA'AM, JUST PULL THE

MICROPHONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT. >> AM I TOO SHORT?

>> IT'S TOO TALL. >> THAT'S GOOD.

BUT THE KIDS STAND ON THE CORNER OF TART ROAD AND OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY. THERE IS NO IMPROVEMENTS SUGGESTED FOR THAT, AND TO HAVE ALL THOSE CARS EVEN AT PEAK HOUR WHEN THEY'RE AUTO CACHTION THE BUS A 7:30, IT'S JUST NOT SAFE FOR THEM. WE ARE ONE OF SIX PARCELS OF PROPERTY THAT ARE IN THE LITTLE ISLAND.

I GREW UP HERE. WHEN IT WAS A RACETRACK.

WITH THE ROUNDABOUT GOING IN TRAFFICKING IS GOING TO SLOW DOWN. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE EXHAUST FUMES, MORE NOISE, IT'S GOING TO BE HARDER FOR EMT TO GET THROUGH TO GET TO ANY EMERGENCIES. PEOPLE ALREADY WONDER WHERE DO I PULL OFF AT WHEN THEY'RE BEHIND THEM OPA-LOCKA THE HORNS AND THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS. THEY'RE ALREADY CONFUSED.

PROPERTY VALUES. BETWEEN TWO BUSY ROADS WE'VE GOT 10,000 CARS BEHIND US. YOUR GOING TO PUT ANOTHER 2,000 IN FRONT OF US. OUR PROPERTY VALUES JUST WENT STRAIGHT DOWN. HEALTH ISSUES ARE JUST BREATHING THAT, THE FUMES CONSTANTLY, THE NOISES, THE LIGHTS CONSTANTLY.

WE DO HEAR THE ROAD NOISES IN THE BACK.

WE ARE THE BUFFER FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE DO HAVE A NICE QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ENJOY THE WAY WE LIVE. WE MOVED HERE FOR THIS REASON.

MY MOM AND DAD HAD A HOUSE ON WE HADON STREET.

MY DAD WAS THE CULL GANN MAN. WE MOVED HERE FOR THIS WAY OF LIFE. I DON'T CARE IF THEY BUILD ON THE PROPERTY. WE JUST WANT SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR OUR AREA AND HOW WE LIVE AND MAYBE REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES. LIVING GROUPS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT WHERE YOU JUST HAVE WORK STAFF COME IN.

THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT'S THEY COULD DO BUT THINK DIDN'T WANT TO OFFER ANY OF THOSE. THEY JUST KEEP DRILLING AT THIS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> CECILIA ADLER CREEK AL. >> HELLO.

I'M CECILIA ALDRICH I LIVE ANOTHER 344 LIMELAND STREET.

SOME OF THIS IS REDONE DAND. I'M SORRY FOR THAT.

BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY HAS VOICED ITS OPPOSITION TO THIS SUB GIRKS GIVEN THE REASONS WHY.

I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYONE SPEAK IN FAVOR OF IT.

THIS BOARD HAS ALREADY TURNED YOU THE DOWN ONCE.

THEN IT WENT TO BCC, NOW REMANDED BACK HERE.

ALL THE SAME ISSUES REMAIN. THE REVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED REALLY DO NOT PROVIDE SATISFACTORY RESOLUTION.

TRAFFIC AND SAFETY MAYBE A ROUNDABOUT WILL HELP AT OLD

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WILL THE SCHOOL BUSES EASILY MANEUVER AROUND A ROUNDABOUT? IF MANUCY ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH WAS INSUFFICIENT BEFORE, HOW DOES ADDING A SIDEWALK SOLVE THE PROBLEM? THE ACCESS POINT AT PORTER ROAD EXTENSION, SARTILLO ROAD STILL HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED EXCEPT FOR WHAT I HEARD HERE TODAY WHICH HAS A COUPLE OF AREAS WHERE ONLY ONE CAR CAN PASS.

SARTILLO ROAD IS THE QUICKEST ROUTE TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY FROM PORTER EXTENSION. SORRY.

I'VE GOT THIS HEARING AID IN AND IT'S FLASHING.

ANYWAY, AND THERE'S A CORNER STORE THERE.

I THINK A GOOD NUMBER OF THE RESIDENTS WOULD INSTINCTIVELY TAKE THE STRAIGHT SHOT DOWN SARTILLO.

DRAINAGE OF WETLANDS. THE NATURAL AREA OF VEGETATION AND TREES WILL BE GREATLY DIMINISHED.

IT APPEARS FROM WALKING INTO THE WOODS FROM MOORE ROAD A GOOD PIT IS STANDING WATER. THIS AREA INCLUDES WILDLIFE HAB DAT AND NATURAL DRAINAGE FOR WATER FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. UFNL WE WILL NOT KNOW THE IMPACT OF DEF FORESTING THE AREA UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE.

FINALLY IS AND SO IMPORTANT IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER.

IT WILL BE FOREVER CHANGED. THE CONSTRUCTION OF OVER 200 HOMES AND ALL THAT COMES WITH IT, THE TRAFFIC, THE NOISE, LIGHTS, ACTIVITIES, DECREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT. THE HOUSING REDUCTION HAS JUST BEEN BY 14. IT SEEMS LIKE HALF THE NUMBER OF HOMES BEING PROPOSED WOULD STILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE DEFINITION OF URBAN SPRAWL AND SPOT ZONING BOTH APPLY TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN I HAD LISTED JUST THE -- ON THE DEVELOPMENT TRACKER ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW, AND I COUNT OVER 1,000 UNITS, AND THAT'S JUST WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS, SO THAT'S NOT -- THEY'RE STILL BAILGTD SAN SALITO. THEY'RE STILL BUILDING AT MUR BELLOW, NOT TO MENTION ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT RECENTLY EXRUCTD AND ARE COMING. I THINK WE NEED A BUILDING MORATORIUM IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. YOU NEED TO HIRE A FIRM TO STUDY HOW THE BEST ALLOW CONTINUED GROWTH.

IT WOULD BE MONEY WELL SPENT. SO I ASK YOU TODAY TO PLEASE DISAPPROVE THIS APPLICATION. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. I THOUGHT THEY WERE REALLY GOOD AND THEY WERE REALLY SUPPORTIVE AND BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

LAST CARD, SARAH BROWN. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

SARAH BROWNE 3700 BLISS SPEEDWAY.

I SENT YOU EARLIER I THINK THURSDAY OR FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK AN EMAIL WITH SOME OF MY CONCERNS.

AND IN SPEAKING HERE -- IN LISTENING HERE TODAY, I NOTICED FROM LINDSEY HAGA HER PRESENTATION.

SHE DID RESPONDENT TO DR. HILSENBECK WITH THERE WOULD BE NO ACCESS FROM LEWIS SPEEDWAY ONTO NORTH HORSESHOE ROAD.

EXCUSE ME. FURTHER, THE PROJECT IS, AS SHE PUT IT, HEMMED IN. SO I THINK THAT THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS FOR US TO HAVE CONSIDERATION OF EACH OF THE ACCESS POINTS ONTO THIS ROAD. OR ONTO THIS PROJECT.

FROM PORTER, SARTILLO, LEWIS SPEEDWAY, MANUCY, OLD POLICE LES SPEEDWAY, RAM IF RAMIFICATIE REPERCUSSIONS ARE EXTREME.

WITH THE ROUNDABOUT I DON'T SEE HOW IT IS TRULY GOING TO BE A BENEFIT. I DON'T KNOW TO THAT FOUR STOPLIGHTS EVERY QUARTER MILE FROM US-1 TO WOODLAWN IS REALLY ANY BETTER, BUT THE ROUNDABOUT ALSO IMPACTS ME PERSONALLY BY SITTING ON TOP OF MY DRIVEWAY. SO I WOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS ONTO NORTH HORSESHOE, NOR WOULD I HAVE ACCESS TO MY DRIVEWAY, AND I FIND THAT DISCONCERTING AT BEST.

SO THOSE ARE A FEW OF MY THINGS. ALSO, I MENTIONED HERE IS IN THE WIDENING OF LEWIS SPEEDWAY, EASILY 200, 500 FEET OF SIDEWALK WOULD BE DISPLACE ODD LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

LEWIS SPEEDWAY IS A REASONABLY MAJOR AORTA WITH MY MIND.

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>> AGAIN FOR THE RECORD STARTING BACK IN REBUTTAL WITH ENGLAND, THIMS & MILLER. THANK YOU FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND INFORMATION THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THROUGH SOME COMMUNITY MEETINGS BUT I THINK THERE ARE STILL SOME POINTS OF CLARITY TO ADD ABOUT THE REGULATIONS, AND IT'S APPROVED OUT WITHIN OUR STAFF REPORT ABOUT CONSISTENCY.

SO LET ME JUST JUMP IN WITH A COUPLE OF -- LET'S LOOK AT THIS SITE PLAN AND THEN I'LL MOVE INTO -- BECAUSE THAT'LL HELP US TALK ABOUT SOME COMPATIBILITY AND CONNECTION POINTS AND THEN GO INTO THE ROUNDABOUT, AND I'LL HAVE JEFF COME UP AND JOIN ME.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PUD AND THE BUFFERING, WE'RE REMINDED ABOUT WE'VE SUCCEED AND WE'RE PRESERVING 41% OPEN SPACE SO THAT CONTIGUOUS NATURE HAVING A COHESIVE CONNECTION BETWEEN WETLANDS AND UPLANDS. WE'RE EXCEED 10 PARK AGE RAN REQUIREMENT ON ON-SITE MARK AND PROVIDING, AND WE'RE CLUSTING IN THE UNITS. THIS MAP ALSO HELPS TO SHOW AND RELAY AGAIN TALKING ABOUT OUR MASTER STORM WATER POND WHERE THE CHANGE, AND WHILE SOME FOLKS DID NOT APPRECIATE THE NUMBER, IT IS A 5% REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS, AND AGAIN THE INTENTIONALITIY BEHIND THAT TO SITE TO AGAIN EXCEED WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND FILL TO PROVIDE FOR THAT CAPTURE OF ANY OFF-SITE RUNOFF TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH. REGARDING THE NORTH, YOU SEE THE NUMBER OF PONDS THAT ARE THERE WITHIN THAT AREA.

THIS IS AS EXISTING POND THAT'S BEEN EXPANDED AND WE'RE PICKING UP THOSE POND SITES THAT YOU HAVE WITHIN THE SAME ZONE.

THE BORDER ITSELF IS SHOWN BY HAVING A MAJORITY OF IT BEING RESERVED AS GREEN AND OPEN SPACE AND THEN AGAIN THAT EXPANDED BUFFER. WE TAKE OUR DIRECTION FROM OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE WE HAVE BUT ALSO IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHICH HAS A COMPATIBILITY BUFFER TABLE WITHIN ASHLEY 6 THAT WOULD SAY BETWEEN THESE LIKE USES SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH AND OUR PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY THERE WOULD BE NO COMPATIBILITY BUFFER TRURGD BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IT'S A STANDARD OF 10 FEET BECAUSE WE ARE REZONING TO PUD WHICH WE HAVE EXPAND TODAY 20 FEET. SO WE'RE METERING EXCEEDING THAT METRIC THAT'S GIVEN TO US BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THAT STANDPOINT. THEN AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IT'S GOOD TO EXPLAIN AS WE COME IN AND MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS AGAIN REDUCING THE NUMBER OF TRIPS, AND I'LL CALL IN JEFF AND WE'LL LOOK AT A COUPLE OF CHARTS THAT WE WALKED THROUGH WITH THE COMMUNITY BUT WE'RE COMING IN AND PROVIDING A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT TO THE LOCAL ROADWAY NETWORK.

THAT IS NOT DEMANDED BY THIS PROJECT IN TERMS WHAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD REQUIRE, BUT WHAT WE'VE HEARD AS EXPLAINED THROUGH THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS STATE OF CONCERNS AS YOU TRAVEL ON THE LOCAL NETWORK.

WE'VE WORKED WITH THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY TRANSPORTING PLANNING STAFF TO VET OUT THE MODERN ROUND B. WITHIN THE LEWIS SPEED WAUGH RIGHT-OF-WAY SO THAT IT IS DESIGNED TO MEET THAT STANDARD.

SO LET'S LOOK A THAT REALLY QUICKLY, AND I WANT TO SHOW US ALSO ONE OVER AT MIKELER AND PALM VEIL AS WE PALM CENT.

THIS POWERPOINT IS LOADED WITH IMAGES THAT WE CAN JUST ADVANCE.

IN OUR MIND'S EYE WE'VE SEEN OUR ROUND ABOUT.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE FUNCTIONALITY.

THE CURVE OF WITH HIS SPODE WAY, THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT IS 35 MILES AN HOUR. THIS ROUNDABOUT PLAN WILL BE ENHANCED THROUGH ENGINEERING AND IT WILL SHOW A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT YOU EXPERIENCED. LIGHTING OF THE ROUNDABOUT ITSELF SO THAT THE DRIVERS AS THEY'RE APPROACHING, THEY SEE THE ROUNDABOUT AND ENTER INTO AS THE CURVE AND APPROACH AS FAR AS LINING AND SIGNALS AS YOU'RE ENTERING INTO NARROW DOWN AND

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IT REPLACE ANSWERED INTERSECTION OF PALM VALLEY ROAD AND MIKELER AS YOU'RE COMING IN. IT'S COUNTY AN CONCURRENCY NETWORK JUST LIKE LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

AND THE FOURTH LEG, IT HAS DIRECT ACCESS INTO THE COMMERCIAL CENTER, WHICH IS ANCHORED BY A PUBLES GROCERY STORE. THE TIRCHES ON MIKELER IS THAT IT CARRIES 25,000 VEHICLES PER DAY THAT MOVE THROUGH THIS ROUNDABOUT INTERSECTION AS COMPARED TO BLISS SPEEDWAY WHICH THAT VOLUME SAT THAT 9,000 VEHICLES PER DAY, SO THAT IS AN EXISTING EXAMPLE OF HOW WE'RE FUNCTIONING WITHIN THE LOCAL ROADWAY 93 WORK COWPTD FOR CONCURRENCY.

AS SOON AS JEFF COMES UP I'LL FLIP THROUGH THE SLIDES AND WANT TO RETHAT WE MET OUR FROM PROCEDURESSAL FAIR SHARE THROUGH OUR REVIEW WITH THE COUNTY STAFF.

WE HAVE OUR CONCURRENCY LETTER THROUGH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THEY'VE CAPACITY REVERSED AT ALL LEVELS OF EACH STOOL REVEL, ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE AND HIGH. AND THEN AS WE WALK THROUGH AGAIN TO THE ROUNDABOUT, THESE ARE SIMULATION VIDEOS THAT WE COULD USE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED, BUT I'D LIKE JEFF TO TALK TO US ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE AS FOLKS, THE NUMBER OF FOLKS WE HAVE, WHAT RULES WE FOLLOW FOR THE LAND DEVELOPED CODE AND HOW WE RIGHT SIZE THAT TO CAPTURE IT MAY BE THAT YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE SCAR.

>> JENN AGAIN JEFF CRAVEN. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES THAT WE USE THE ITE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL TO ESTIMATE TRAFFIC FOR VAIR WHY DEVELOPMENTS.

FOR A I. A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE IT'S BASICALLY ONE TRIP DURING THE AFTERNOON PEAK AND ABOUT TEN FOR THE PEAK HOUR.

WE HAVE ACTUALLY DONE STUDIES OF FIVE TO SEVEN LOCAL DEVELOPMENTS, LOCAL AREAS, SUBDIVISIONS, AND IT PLAYS OUT THE SAME ON THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA, WE ISOLATED IT BY COUNTS, AND WE WERE JUST OVER ONE TRIP PER HOUSE IN THE AFTERNOON PEAK, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL BUSINESSES THAT WE DIDN'T ACCOMMODATED , QULU IN THAT, THEIR GENERATION BUT THEIR TRAFFIC WAS THERE. SO THE ONE TRIP PER HOUSE, WHETHER THEY HAVE FIVE CARS OR TWO CARS, THAT'S ABOUT WHAT THE AVERAGE HOUSE DOES. AND SO THAT'S THE METRIC THAT GETS USED FOR THIS. THE COUNTY USES THE METRIC OF 2,000 CARS A DAY, STEPS YOU UP FROM A LOCAL ROAD TO A COLLECTOR ROAD. THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERS IMPROVEMENTS AND HAVING TO MEET NEW STANDARDS.

THEY ALSO HAVE A SECTION OF THEIR CODE THAT SAYS FOR EXISTING ROADS, FOR LOCAL ROADS THE MINIMUM WIDTH IS 18 FEET WIDE AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH IS WHAT'S NECESSARY TO GET THE ROAD IN. FOR COLLECTOR ROADS IT'S 22 FEET WIDE AND THE SAME THING, RIGHT-OF-WAY NECESSARY TO GET ALL THE FACILITIES IN. SO ON ALL THE ROADWAYS THAT WERE WE'RE IMPACTING GOING OUT TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND OUT TO US-1, WE ARE LESS THAN 2,000 CARS A DAY AFTER OUR TRAFFIC GOES ON IT. SO THEY'RE ALL STILL CONSIDERED BY THE COUNTY AS LOCAL ROADS, AND BECAUSE THE PAVEMENT WIDTH ON 5TH, MANUCY, OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY ARE ALL 18 FEET OR GREATER, WE DON'T TRIP THE UPGRADE GOING THAT WAY.

AS FAR AS IF ROUNDABOUT TO OLD LEWIS SPEED WAUGH AND LEWIS SPEEDWAY DOWN AT THE SOUTH END, THAT WAS PUT IN THERE BASED ON A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS' COMMENTS THAT, ONE, THEY COULDN'T GET OUT OFF OF OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY TO GET ON IT AND THEY DIDN'T FEEL SAFE TURNING LEFT OUT OF HORSESHOE NORTH ONTO LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

BY PUTTING THE ROUNDABOUT IN THERE, IT GIVES THEM A WAY FROM HORSESHOE NORTH TO BE ABLE TO GO SOUTH ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY SAFELY.

YOU MAKE A RIGHT, MAKE A U-TURN THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT, AND GO TO THE SOUTH. IT DOES ELIMINATE LEFT TURNS INTO HORSESHOE NORTH. BUT THAT'S PART OF THE IMPROVEMENT THAT HAPPENS. HORSESHOE, AS ITS NAME INDICATES, IS A HORSESHOE. THE DIVERSION ISN'T ANY LONGER THAN THE DIVERSION WOULD BE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TURN LEFT OUT AND WOULD HAVE TO GO DOWN TO HORSESHOE SOUTH TO TURN LEFT.

SO THE ROUNDABOUT, YES, IT'S IN A CURVE.

THE ONE AT MIKELER IS ALSO IN A CURVE.

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IF YOU'VE GOT ANY MORE TRAFFICS B FRSKS RELATED QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. ANY MORE TRAFFICS RELATED QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

>> SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR REBUTTAL.

WE'RE AVAILABLE IF THERE'S QUESTIONS

>> YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU'RE UNDER 2,000 TRIPS PER DAY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. CAN YOU ACCOUNT FOR DURING CONSTRUCTION HOW MANY TRIPS PER DAY WOULD BE GENERATED BY CONSTRUCTION OF THIS SUBDIVISION? I HAVE THE CURRENT MISFORTUNE OF HAVING A NEW HOUSE BUILT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME, AND I CAN TELL YOU IT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

IT'S MORE THAN ONE VEHICLE PER DAY.

>> THERE ARE BASICALLY THE STUDIES USED IN ITE ARE ALL DONE SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR AFTER THE FULLY DEVELOPED PROJECT IS IN.

IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.

BUT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC FOR THE FIRST PHASES, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE HOUSES FOR PHASES 32, 3 AND 4 CONTRIBUTING BUT THERE'S SOME

BUFFER THERE. >> THAT'S I. WHAT I THOUGHT.

YOU COULD EXCEED POTENTIALLY THEORETICALLY, POSSIBLY 2,000 VEHICLES PER DAY DURING CONSTRUCTION.

>> WE ARE -- OUR PROJECT WILL BE PHASED AT THAT POINT, SO IF WE LOOK AT OUR PLAN, ALL 223 HOUSES AREN'T BEING CONSTRUCTED AT THE SAME TIME. WE COME IN WITH HORIZONTAL.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PHASING.

YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE THAT IN THAT SENSE, THAT HOW WE DEVELOP THE SITE WILL BE HORIZONTAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT LAYER THAT WE COME IN AND THEN PHASING AS WE COME IN WITH HOMES.

IT DOESN'T ALL OCCUR AT THE ONE SITE WHERE P. WEAPON GOING

HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL. >> IS THAT IN THE MATERIALS YOU GAVE US? BECAUSE I READ ALL THAT.

I DON'T RECALL SEEING THAT. >> NO, THAT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT CONDITION OF THE PUD. THAT SAYS THAT.

THAT IS HOW THE DEVELOPMENT FUNCTIONS IN ORDER FOR FOWS BUILD THE HOUSE. WE HAVE TO SHOW OUR CONSTRUCTION PLAN, DO OUR CLEARING AND GRADING AND THEN MOVE IN FORE

PHASING. >> I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION I GUESS, JEFF, PERHAPS SHOULD ANSWER IT SINCE HE MENTIONED IT.

HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE 18 FEET AND TE 20 FEET YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PAVEMENT THERE OR RIGHT-OF-WAY?

>> THAT'S PAVEMENT. THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENT FOR EXISTING ROADWAYS TO BE UPGRADED.

>> SO THE -- CARLA MAXWELL QUARTO CITED IN HER PRESENTATION IN TERMS OF RIGHT-OF-WAY REQUIRED FOR LOCAL ROADS IN THE COUNTY WHERE YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE ROADS NOT MEETING THAT, THAT'S

IRRELEVANT IN YOUR OPINION? >> ACTUALLY THAT'S IRRELEVANT BASED ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THAT IF YOU CAN HAVE THE LANEAGE, THE PAVEMENT BE FOR A LOCAL ROAD IF AN EXISTING LANEAGE IS 18 FEET RIDE WIDEE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT EXISTS ACCOMMODATEDS ALL OF THE FACILITIES THAT NEED TO GO INTO THE ROAD, THEN YOU DO NOT HAVE TO UPDPRAITD UNLESS YOU CHANGE THE FUNCTIONAL CLASS OF ROAD.

YOU WOULD BASICALLY SEE THAT ON A LOCAL ROAD, EXCEED THAT

2,000 TRIPS A DAY. >> BUT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC

WOULDN'T TRIGGER THAT. >> THAT'S TEMPORARY TRAFFIC.

IF THERE'S A TRAIN THAT BREAKS DOWN ON THE SPEEDWAY, TRAFFIC CHANGES, CARS GO DIFFERENTLY, THAT'S NOT FACTORED IN.

>> OKAY. SO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FIGURES, THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE THE MATERIAL SHE SHOWED, IT WAS CITING RIGHT-OF-WAY. THAT'S INACCURATE, WHAT'S IN THE

CURRENT COUNTY -- >> THERE'S THAT DISABLE IN THE CURRENT COUNTY CODE AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION.

>> SO IS SARTILLO ROAD MEETS THIS 18-FOOT PAVEMENT?

>> I MEASURED SOORT IN THREE SPOTS AND IT MET THE 18 FEET.

>> SO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS COUPLED IN TWO SPOTS.

THE SECTION WE SAW MS. QUARTO PUTTING UP TO GIVE YOU GUIDELINES FOR MAJOR, MINOR, LOCAL COLLECTOR ROADWAYS THE HIGHLIGHTS COMING OUT OF 60407 DIRECTS YOU WHEN YOU HAVE DPISSING ROADWAY FACILITIES TO GUIDE AND BALANCE HOW, IF YOU HAVE -- CAN WORK WITHIN THE EXISTING RIOT AND THE PAIFT WIDTH, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING THE MEASURE FIEWRMT FOR 18. THAT IS ALSO HOW WE HAVE GONE

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PORTER. >> ALL RIGHTY.

I HAVE A QUESTION, LINDSEY, ABOUT THE TIMELINE, PROJECTED TIMELINE AND HOW LONG IF THIS WOULD BE APPROVED, WOULD THE 100% BUILD-OUT BE. HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE?

>> WELL, TYPICALLY WE'VE PROVIDED FOR A TEN-YEAR PHASE, BUT OUR PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, CONSTRUCTION PLANS WITHIN 18 TO TWO MONTHS, YOU SEE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME, AND THEN BUILT IN PHASES.

I'LL LOOK TO THE TEAM TO SAY IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER TIMELINE.

SO WITHIN FIVE YEARS. SO TO FRAME IT OUT WE WOULD HAVE CONSTRUCTION PLANS APPROVED IN TWO YEARS, COUPLED WITH THAT IS THE ROUNDABOUT SO WE HAVE THE TIMING, THAT IMPROVEMENT WITH WHEN HOPES ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED ON THE SIOTO.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME SO THE SITE.

>> MS. HAGA, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

IS THERE A ROUTE OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT MEETS THE MINIMUM 50-FOOT WIDE RIGHT-OF-WAY REQUIREMENT TO GET TO EITHER LEWIS SPEEDWAY OR US-1?

>> YES. THAT IS PORTER AND 5TH STREET WHICH THE ATTRACTION TO 5TH IS THE MEDIAN OPENING ON US-1 SO AS YOU GO DOWN PORTER, FIFTH 5TH STREET AND YOU MAKE THE TURN.

>> SO THERE'S THERE IS A ROUTE. >> CORRECT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

DR. HILSENBECK. >> I HAVE ONE.

THE TO GET TO 5TH STREET FROM PORTER, DON'T YOU HAVE TO GO ON

4TH STREET? >> I'M LOOKING AT MY AERIAL NOW.

>> LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE TO GO ON 4TH STREET TO GET TO 5TH.

AND THAT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENT?

>> 4TH STREET WAS ALL PART OF THE SAME PLAT, SO IT'S THE SAME

RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> AND YOU MEASURED THAT?

>> NO. IT WAS PLATTED.

>> CORRECT. THIS IS FROM THE REAL ESTATE DIVISION THAT WE SEE. 50 FEET VARIABLE, 60 FEET, 50 FEET FROM THIS DOT THAT WE'RE COMING OUT HERE, AND THEN THE DOT THAT YOU SEE, MR. HILSENBECK, IS GETTING US TO

5TH STREET. >> WHY HAVE WE SEEN --

>> DATA TODAY OR FIGURES THAT INDICATE THE SARTILLO RIGHT-OF-WAY IS 30 FEET?

>> IT IS. >> BECAUSE IT IS.

YOU DO NOT HAVE 50 FEET THERE. >> NO.

>> OKAY. >> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS

FOR STAFF BESIDES ME? >> THANK YOU.

>> IF THIS PROPERTY WERE DEVELOPED IN AN OR FASHION REQUIRING A 1 ACRE LOT WITH WELL AND SEPTIC, THEY WOULD DEFINITELY NEED 1 HALF ACRE OF UPLANDS, I BELIEVE, TO GET THEIR DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH CERTIFICATE PERMIT FOR THE SEPTIC TANK.

COULD THE OTHER HALF ACRE BE IN THE WETLANDS?

>> MIKE ROBERTSON OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

THE -- SINCE THESE ARE NOT PLATTED HOTS LOTS OF RECORD,, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH PROBABLY THE DISTRICT.

IF YOU HAD SOME WETLANDS -- EITHER WAY, YOU'D NEED TO GO THROUGH THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

WHAT I'M UNSURE OF IS HOW EXACTLY THEY WOULD GO -- GET PERMITTING WHEN YOU'RE NOT A LOT OF RECORD.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DISTRICT TO GET APPROVAL BECAUSE YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO NOT.

>> MY QUESTION IS, DAUS BECAUSE I KNOW THE ANSWER FOR THE DISTRICT. THE DISTRICT DOESN'T CONCERN ITSELF WITH LOT SIZE. SO YOU CAN PLAT LOTS INTO THE WETLAND. THEY DON'T LIKE IT BUT YOU CAN.

SO DOES THE COUNTY ALLOW THE 1 ACRE TO BE MET USING WETLANDS?

>> YES, YES. SORRY.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

>> THAT IS THE QUESTION. >> YES.

>> SO THE REALITY IS, IS THAT IN THE EXISTING ZONING IS USED, THEY'VE GOT 100 -- WELL, THEY'VE FOR THE 114 ACRES OF WETLAND WHICH MEANS THEY COULD EASILY MAXIMIZE THEIR YIELD AND GET THE 165 OR SO LOTS BECAUSE THEY ONLY NEED TO DO A HALF AN ACRE OF

UPLAND. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

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HAVE THE 1 ACRE MIHM. >> WELL, WITH 114 I'M SURE THEY CAN GET 165 ON THERE. BEING A DEVELOPER, I'M CONFIDENT THAT YOU COULD DO IT. SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS WHAT ARE THE EXISTING USES THAT -- I ASSUME THE PORTER FAMILY STILL OWNS THIS PROPERTY. I SEE MS. HAGA NODDING HER HEAD YES. WHAT ARE THE EXISTING USES THAT PORTER FAMILY COULD USE THIS PROPERTY FOR ASIDE FROM THOSE

165 OR SO 1 ACRE LOTS? >> SURE.

SO THE PROPERTY HAS A LAND USE OF RESIDENTIAL B, AND IT HAS A ZONING OF OPEN RURAL. THOSE ARE THE DESIGNATIONS THAT WE USE TO DICTATE WHAT CAN BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY.

OPEN RURAL ALLOWS -- THE ZONING ITSELF CAN ALLOW AGRICULTURAL USES, HORSES, FARMING, AND THE LIKE, AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY.

HOWEVER, THE LAND USE IS UNIQUE IN THAT RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES SAY YOU CAN DO AGRICULTURAL USES WHEN NOT INCOMPATIBLE WITH -- SO KIND OF A JUDGMENT CALL.

SO IT'S -- WE WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY CAME IN WITH A USE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR STAFF TO LOOK AT AND TRY TO CHIME IN ON, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S SURROUNDING IT, BUT AT ITS CORE IT SAYS, WHEN NOT INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING. SO POTENTIALLY SOME AG USES.

THAT'S KIND OF THE CORE IN OPEN RURAL, DEPENDING IF IT'S -- IT'S NOT INCOMPATIBLE. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

>> YES. SO LIKE A BORROW PIT MIGHT BE AN OPTION. THEY CAN DIG OUT.

SUPPOSEDLY THERE'S GOPHER TORTOISES OUT THERE SO IT WOULD

BE GOOD DIRT. >> RIGHT.

BORROW PITS I THINK WOULD NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SO IT WOULD NEED TO COME THROUGH THE AGENCY AT MINIMUM.

>> AND IF THEY DID 1 ACRE LOTS, THEY COULD HAVE -- YOU CAN HAVE LIKE A LANDSCAPING BUSINESS THERE AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT HAVE CUSTOMERS. IT'S NOT LIKE A RETAIL.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT. SO I KIND OF ENCAPSULATED EVERYTHING AS AG, BUT THERE ARE SOME USES, QUOTE, BUSINESS-TYPE USES. THEY TYPICALLY NEED TO BE RELATED TO AG IN SOME WAY OR SOMETHING SIMILAR IN THAT SAME VEIN, RATHER, THAT CAN BE DONE BUT NOT STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL, STRAIGHT OFFICE. THOSE AREN'T ALLOWED.

>> OKAY. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW.

THANK YOU. OAK.

IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR

A MOTION. >> HAVE A COMMENT, IF I MAY.

>> YOU MAY. >> WELL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I WAS NOT AT THE AUGUST 5TH MEETING, ALTHOUGH I DID WATCH IT FORE A LONG PERIOD FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, AND I LISTENED TO THE COMPLAINTS AND I HEARD THE ISSUES, AND, YOU KNOW, I LISTENED TO THE SAME ISSUES TODAY AS WELL, AND I THINK WHILE THE DEVELOPER HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE THERE YET. I THINK THE PROPERTY WILL BE DEVELOPED. OBVIOUSLY IT'S DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL B, AND I THINK THERE ARE CERTAINLY USES, AS MICHAEL HAS ARTICULATED. I'M JUST NOT SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT ONE AT THIS TIME. I JUST FEEL, LISTENING TO ALL THE RESIDENTS AGAIN, THE INCOMPATIBILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ME REALLY STICKS OUT WITH THIS AND THE ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE DOWN THERE, LIKE I SAID, THIS WILL GET DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT. I'M JUST NOT SURE THIS IS THE

RIGHT PLAN AT THIS TIME. >> ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE A MOTION? THERE MC.

DR. MCCORMICK. >> YEAH, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE BUT MY MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PUD 20-04 PORTER PROPERTY BASED ON TEN FINDINGS OF FACT AS LISTED IN THE STAFF

REPORT. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR

DENIAL BY DR. MCCORMICK. >> SECOND.

>> MS. HAGA. WE'VE GOT A SECOND BY MR. PETER,

BUT -- >> I'LL JUMP IN AND DOUG MAY COME UP HERE AS WELL. SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM

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>> ARE YOU NOW ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE?

>> YES. >> MR. MATOVINA, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE

ACTION. >> AND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM MR. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, SO WE HAVE TO ACT ON THOSE MOTIONS AS THE THIS POINT, I BELIEVE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DISCUSSION.

SO I'D ASK Y'ALL TO TAKE YOUR SEATS, PLEASE

MR. MILLER. >> A QUICK MINUTE.

I ALWAYS BRING THIS UP WHENEVER THERE'S A NOTION TO DENIAL IS TO CLARIFY. A VOTE YES IS A VOTE TO DENY.

A VOTE NO IS A VOTE NOT TO DENY. CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. >> JUST TO CLARIFY THAT.

>> IF YOU VOTE YES, YOU VOTE TO DENY.

>> CORRECT. >> AND, DR. HILSENBECK, YOU WERE

ON -- >> I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT, BUT YOU MOVED ABOUT THE CONTINUANCE IDEA, AND SO I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW THAT. I DON'T NEED TO MAKE THE COMMENT AT THIS POINT SINCE WE'RE MOVING AHEAD WITH A VOTE.

>> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT? BECAUSE WE'RE PREPARED FOR A VOTE AT THIS POINT, AS FAR AS I

CAN SEE. >> .

I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS TO MAKE, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE FOLKS WHO LIVE OUT THERE UNDERSTAND THIS.

BY RIGHT HE IS THESE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT RIGHT NOW OR THE OWNER HAS A RIGHT -- THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHT IT WAS THEY DON'T IDENTITY YET -- -- BUT THE OWNER HAS A RIGHTS TO BUILD 165 HOUSES, WHETHER THE ROAD IS WIDE ENOUGH OR NOT, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL UNDER THAT. A LOT OF THE TESTIMONY THAT I AM CA UP HERE TODAY SAID TO, TO ME SAID WE HAVE FLOODING PROBLEMS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH OUR CHILDREN AND WHERE THEY GET PICKED UP FOR THE BUS AND WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER PROBLEMS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, D SOMETIMES WHAT I HEARD WAS WE REALLY JUST WANT ALL THOSE PROBLEMS SOLVED.

WELL, DEVELOPING THE 165 HOMES IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. I JUST WANT TO SHAKE SURE THAT T I MAKE THAT POINT. THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DEVELOP 1 ACRE LOTS UNDER THE EXISTING LAND USE AND ZONING AND THE PORTERS ARE ALLOWED THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, WHATEVER THAT IS. COULD BE A BORROW PIT.

COULD BE A BUNCH OF LANDSCAPING BUSINESSES.

SO ANY WAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

[2. MINMOD 2021-17 Parkway Village Dumpster Setback. Request for a Minor Modification to Section Q.2.4 of the World Commerce Center PUD (Ordinance 2020-24) and Land Development Code, Section 2.02.04.C.3 to allow for a reduced setback for dumpster pads from seven (7) feet to three (3) feet for outparcel property boundary lines located within Parkway Village portion of the PUD.]

ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES 4-1.

THE MOTION PASSES, MEANING THAT THE MOTION FOR DENIAL HAS BEEN APPROVED. [APPLAUSE] ALL RIGHT. WE ARE MOVING OH TO ITEM NUMBER NUMBER 2, MS. DENY DENDOR. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY SPART TO

DECLARE FOR ITEM NUMBER 2? >> NO.

>> NO. >> NO.

>> HI. GOOD AFTERNOON.

CASEY DENDOR WITH ENGLAND-THIMS & MILLER 1775 OLD ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD. THIS IS JEAN NUMBER 2 FOR MINOR MODIFICATION TWUNT 21-17 FOR PARKWAY VILLAGE DUMPSTER SETBACK. THIS PLOTTED PROT IS LOCATED TO NORTHWEST CORNER OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY AND STATE ROAD 16 AND NORTHWEST ST. JOHNS COUNTY WITHIN A MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CLASSIFICATION AND A WORLD COMMERCE CENTER PUD ZONING DESIGNATION.

PARKWAY SPRINKLE IS A 20-ACRE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AREA WITHIN THE RURAL COMMERCE CENTER PUD WITH ENTITLEMENTS DEDICATED BY THE MASTER DEVELOPER. PARKWAY VILLAGE REQUESTS RELIEF TO THE DUMPSTER SETBACK CRITERIA FORE OUT-PARCELS FROM 7 FEET TO 3 FEET FOR THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.

FOR A MAIRCHT OUT-PARCELS THE 7-FOOT DUMPSTER SETBACK IS POSSIBLE, HOWEVER, THE SWINGING GATE TO THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS LIKELY TO DISRUPT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC BY ENCROACHING THE DRIVE AISLE WHEN IT IS OPEN. THESE FOUR PARCELS IN THIS LOCATION ARE THE FOUR PARCELS THAT HAVE THE MOST DIFFICULTY IN

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STAFF HAS REQUESTED THAT WITH OUR APPLICATION MATERIAL WE PROVIDE A REDLINE OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN TEXT FOR THE ORDINANCE, AND I NOTICED IN YOUR APPLICATION PACKAGE THE CLEAN VERSION WAS PROVIDED SO I WENT AHEAD AND ADDED THE REDLINE SHOWING WHAT'S CHANGING IN THE PUD, AND THAT IS IN SECTION Q.2.4 WE'RE ADDING THAT MAINTAINING THAT THE LANGUAGE IS THAT DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE ISSUANCE PROVIDE 7 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE EXCEPT WHERE THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES MAY BE 3 FEET FROM THE OUT-PARCEL BOYDEN RIS IN THE PARKWAY DRIJ DEVELOPMENT AREA, AND ALSO ADDING A YOU SUBSEQUENT WAIVER TO SUBSECTION T.

THIS PROVIDE AN IMAGE SHOWING THE CURRENT STANDARD FOR -- THIS IS OUT-PARCEL 7 IN THE PARKWAY VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AREA.

AS YOU CAN SEE TO BE THE DUMPSTER PROVIDES THE ENCLOSURE SETBACK AFTER 7 FEET, AND WHEN THAT DOOR IS OPEN, WHEN RESTAURANT WORKERS OR OTHER WORKERS OF VARIOUS PLACES ARE DROPPING TRASH OFF AT THE DUMPSTER OR TRASH PICKUP OR IF IT IS LEFT OPEN FOR SOME REASON, IT SHOWS THAT THE DOOR BLOCKS ABOUT HALF OF THAT DRIVE AISLE, AND YOU WILL MOST LIKELY SEE CARS COMING IN IN THE OTHER AREAS FOR DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICES. WHEN YOU PUSH THAT SETBACK OVER TO 3 FEET, IT IS RIGHT ALONG THE DOOR -- THE DOOR OPENS RIGHT ALONG THE EDGE OF DRIVE AISLE AND WOULD NOT IMPACT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. THE 7-FOOT SETBACK WOULD BE PROVIDED FROM THE PARENT PARCEL BOUNDARIES WHICH IS REQUIRED IN EXOIPTD JUST READS PARCEL BOUNDARIES BE NOT SPECIFIC TO OUT-PARCEL BOUNDARIES WHICH IS THE REQUESTED RELIEF.

THE COMPATIBLE NATURE OF THE OUT-PARCELS AND THE DESIGN OF SO COHESIVE SHAPG CENTER IS SETBACK TO OUT-PARCEL IEWZ THAT IS BASED ON THE INCOMPATIBILITY MAY 46 TABLE IN SECTION 6 OR ARTICLE 6 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. TABLE 6.

19 AND 6.020 DO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE USES PROPOSED IN THE OUT-PARCELS ARE COMPATIBLE AND DID NOT REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL BUFFERING BETWEEN THOSE USES. APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION WOULD ALSO MAKE TWO EXISTING NON-CONFORMING DUMPSTER SETBACKS NOW CONFORMING, AND BASED ON PREVIOUS INTERPRETATIONS BY OTHER STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE NO LONGER WORKING AT THE COUNTY THAT THE 7-FOOT SETBACK WAS MEASURED FROM THE PARENT PARCEL BOUNDARIES, NOT THE OUT-PARCEL BOUNDARIES SO THEY WERE ALLOWING A SETBACK OF 3 FEET. AS FOR THE HARDSHIP, THE LITERAL ENFORCEMENT OF THE REITERATES OF THE CODE WOULD CAUSE AN UNDUE HARDSHIP TO CARRY OUT THE SPIRIT AND UPPER PURPOSE OF THE CHORDS, AND THIS SAYS IN RELATION TO PUBLIC SAFETY INFLOY OF TRAFFIC AS DEMONSTRATED IN THE JUST PREVIOUSLY SHOWN.

THE WHICH IS NOT CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND WE HAVE RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. DUMPSTER SETBACKS WOULD BE NO CLOSER THAN 30 FEET FROM THE PUD PARENT PARCEL BOUNDARY, THAT IS INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY AND STATE ROAD 16.

I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND ALSO WITH ME IS

THE MASTER DEVELOPER. >> DR. HILSENBECK.

>> PARKWAY VILLAGE. >> OKAY.

I GUESS I'M SLIGHTLY CONFUSED. THERE'S TWO ISSUES.

YOU SHOWED I THINK IT WAS YOUR SECOND SLIDE THAT HAD SOME REDLINE LANGUAGE. THAT IS WHAT YOU PROPOSE TO ADD

TO THIS, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> OKAY. AND THEN IT SEEMED YOU WERE CHANGING THE TENS TENSE FROMT TO PAST A COUPLE TIMES.

YOU ALREADY HAVE TWO OF THESE THAT ARE OPERATIONAL THAT ARE THE DUMPSTERS JUST SET BACK 3 FEET, AND YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE THOSE SO THAT THEY ARE NOW -- THESE NON-KOPF CONFORMING USES WILL BE CONFORMING. I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING PERMISSION TO DO THIS, BUT ALREADY TWO OF THEM HAVE THIS

SITUATION, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES.

PREVIOUSLY WITH A DIFFERENT PLANNER IT WAS INTERPRETED THAT THE SETBACK FOR THE 7 FEET WAS MEASURED FROM PARENT PARCEL BOUNDARIES, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL OUT-PARCELS, SO THEY WERE ALLOWING THE 3-FOOT SETBACK. THAT PLANNER HAS SCUB SUBSEQUENT LEFT THE COUNTY AND WE HAVE A NEW PLANNER AND THEY INTERPRET IT WITH THE 7-FOOT SETBACK FROM THE OUT-PARCEL BOUNDARY SO WE'RE REQUESTING RELIEF THAT THE MEASUREMENT IS FROM PARENT PARCEL AND OUT-PARCEL BOUNDARIES WOULD BE 3 FEET AND THAT WE WOULD ALSO BRING THOSE OTHER TWO THAT ARE CURRENTLY

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NON-CONFORMING INTO CONFORMANCE. >> THANK YOU.

>> DR. MCCORMICK. >> YEAH, I JUST -- I THINK I'M ON BOARD ON THIS NOW BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

SO IN ESSENCE, WITHOUT THOSE OTHER TWO SITES DOING ANYTHINGHS MOTION HAS DONE HAS SAID, YOU'RE INCLUDED IN AS WELL, THAT IS

RIGHT? >> YES.

>> AND THE COUNTY MAKES WHATEVER CHANGES THAT HAVE TO BE MADE?

>> YES, BECAUSE THOSE ARE CONSIDERED OUT-PARCEL TO THE PARKWAY VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT WHICH THE FINAL ORDER FOR APPROVAL, IF YOU GRANT APPROVAL, WOULD MAKE THOSE CONFORMING.

>> ALL RIGHT. I THINK I'M -- OKAY.

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? MS. DENDOR, IS IT SAY SAFE TO SAY IT'S A HARDSHIP BECAUSE YOU HAD APPROVAL AND SPENT A BUNCH MONEY ON DESIGN AND THEN FOUND OUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE APPROVAL?

IS THAT SAFE TO SAY? >> NO.

THE HARDSHIP IS THE TRAFFIC, DISRUPTING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC

WITH THE 7-FOOT SETBACK. >> SO YOU CAN CHANGE THE --

>> I'M SORRY? >> NEVER MIND.

>> I WOULD SAY THAT IS A HARDSHIP.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MR. MILLER.

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION -- >> I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

IS THERE ANY CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?

[3. MINMOD 2021-15 165 Bear Pen Rd. Pool. Request for a Minor Modification to the Old Palm Valley PUD (Ordinance 90-08) to allow for a reduction in the rear yard setback to allow 5' in lieu of 20' required for the installation of a swimming pool, specifically located at 165 Bear Pen Road.]

>> WE HAVE NO SPEAKER CARDS. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. MILLER. >> MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATION 2021-17 PARKWAY VILLAGE DUMPSTER STET-BACK, GOR A MINOR MODIFICATION TO ALLOW FOR REDUCED SETBACK FOR DUMPSTER PADS FROM 7 TETE TO 3 FEET BASED ON SIX FINDINGS FACT AND TBAIDZ ON SIX KANSAS PROVIDE IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. MILLER, A SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK. ANY DISCUSSION? NONE. LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3. AMY GRAHAM.

IS THERE ANY EX PARTE TO BE DECLARED FOR THIS ITEM?

>> WAS THAT A QUESTION TO ME, EX PARTE?

>> NO, MA'AM. NO.

>> OKAY. >> WE'RE THE ONLY ONES WITH EX PARTE. YOU MAY START ANY TIME.

>> AMY GRAHAM, 165 BEAR PEN ROAD.

>> CHRIS CLAIM 165 BEAR PEN ROAD.

>> AND WE'RE ITEM 3 AND IT'S MINMOD 2021-15.

THE CLICKER, WHERE IS THAT? >> I PROMISE WE'RE NOT AS HARSH AS WE SEEM SO TAKE A DEEP BREATH.

>> NO, YOU'RE GREAT. >> TAKE A DEEP BREATH.

IT WILL BE FINE, OKAY? >> THANKS SO WE'RE HERE FOR THE LOCATION OF AN INTENDED POOL AT OUR RESIDENCE. CURRENTLY WE HAVE A 20-FOOT REAR SETBACK AND WE'RE ASKING FOR 5. SO WE WOULD LIKE THE INTENDED POOL TO GO DIRECTLY BEHIND OUR HOME.

YOU CAN SEE THIS FROM THE SURVEY THERE WITH THE SITE PLAN WITH THE POOL DIRECTLY BEHIND THE HOME.

AND THERE'S A CLOSE-UP PICTURE OF THE DIAGRAM AND IT'S A 13 BY 30 POOL AND IT SHOWS THERE THAT IT'S 5 FEET OFF OF THE REAR.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE AROUND THE POOL THERE'S THE PAVERS.

AND HERE'S THE PROPOSED LOCATION THAT'S LOOKING EAST.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT ON IT WE'VE GOT A 6-FOOT WOODEN FENCE AND WE ALSO HAVE ABOUT 20 FEET OF A GREEN SCREEN THAT WE'VE PUT IN. AND THEN THE PROPOSED LOCATION LOOKING WEST. AND HERE'S A 3D RENDERING OF THE POOL, RECTANGLE, AND THAT WILL BE A SUN SHELF ON ONE SIDE.

AND THE REASON THAT WE WOULD LIKE IT IN THAT LOCATION WHILE WE'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE IS BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE WE HAVE A HARDSHIP REGARDING WATER INCURSION FROM THE ADJACENT AREAS AROUND THAT LOCATION. AND SINCE WE'VE MOVED IN IN 2017 WANT WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO RESOLVE THE DRAINAGE ISSUE.

WE HAVE DPRAID THE AREA TO THE CATCH BASIN.

WE HAVE INSTALLED A LARGER CATCH BASIN.

WE HAVE PIPED THREE PIPES TOTE SUMP PUMP DIRECTLY.

WE HAVE ALSO INSTALLED A 100 WATER GALLON WATER BARREL ON THE

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WE EVAN INSTALLED A TRANSFER SWITCH IN CASE WE LOST FOR.

WE COULD STILL POWER THE SUMP PUMP IN CASE WE LOST POWER DUE HURRICANE. WE HAVE ALSO TALKED TO NEIGHBORS IN REGARD TO THE ISSUE AND THEY SAY THEY WOULD HELP ON US THEIR END BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY RESULTS.

THE PICTURES OF THAT ARE FOLLOWING IS FROM 2020 AND IT'S STILL A GREAT DEAL OF WATER COLLECT BUT IT HAS BECOME MORE EFFICIENT. IT WILL PUMP OUT AFTER A HOUR OR TWO AFTER THE GULLY WASHER ENDS. WE JUST COULDN'T HAVE PEACE OF MIND INVESTING THAT MUCH IN A POOL ON THAT SIDE WITH THE THREAT OF WATER INCURSION FROM YOUR NORMAL RAINY SEASON WENT NO EVEN MENTIONING A HURRICANE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THE LASER. WE GET WATER INCURSION FROM THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, LOT 31. THIS IS A 20-FOOT BERM, AND THEN LOT 44 ALSO WE'VE GOT WATER INCURSION FROM.

YOU CAN SEE THE SUMP PUMP OR THE CATCH BASIN IS RIGHT THERE.

WE'VE GOT AN 18-INCH CATCH BASIN THAT COLLECTS THE WATER.

IT THEN GOES TO THE SUMP PUSM AND GOES DIAGONAL THROUGH THE YARD AND UP TO THE STREET TO GET EMITTED.

SO THIS RED TAG RIGHT THROUGH SHOWS IT'S 20 FEET FROM THE REAR. THIS IS THE EAST SIDE OF THE YARD NOW, NOT THE WEST WHERE WE WERE WANTING THE POOL.

SO THAT RED TAG IS 20 FEET, SO THAT WOULD BE THE START OF THE POOL HEADING TO THE RIGHT, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT IT'S RIGHT, YOU KNOW, BY THE BERM WHERE WE RECEIVE A LOT OF WATER AND EROSION, A LOT OF TREES HANGING ON BY SOME THREADS THERE. HERE IS, AFTER A NORMAL GULLY WASHER IN THE SUMMER, THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE GET.

THE PLACE THAT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE RED TAG, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT ABOUT THERE. ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE WATER, AND THIS IS FROM OUR PAVER DECK IS RIGHT THERE, ONE OF THE HURRICANES, I GOT SOME SANDBAGS AND TRIED TO SHORE UP SOME OF THE OVERFLOW WATER. HERE AGAIN FROM LOT 44 YOU CAN SEE ALL THE WATER THERE. THE AREA ISALLAL DOWNSLOPE FROM OUR DRIVEWAY. AREA IS ALSO DOWNSLOPE FROM OUR DRIVEWAY, AND THAT'S THE AREA WITH NO WATER IN IT.

YOU CAN SEE THE CATCH BASIN. THIS RETAINING WALL IS FROM THE PLANTATION, AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT IT'S BEING BREACHED BY THE EROSION. THROUGH HERE THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF SAND THAT COMES THROUGH.

THIS IS THE LOT 31 THAT'S TO OUR REAR.

YOU CAN SEE HERE THE BACKYARD IS GRADED TO EMPTY TO OUR FENCE, SO WE'RE STANDING ON A LADDER HERE WITHOUT WATER ON OUR SIDE TAKING THIS PICTURE WHEN THE WATER GETS HIGH ENOUGH, IT THEN COMES OVER INTO OUR YARD. AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY REMEDIATION FOR THEIR WATER. THEY HAVE NO GUTTERS OR KNOWING TO EMIT IT TO THE STREET. THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE.

ANOTHER PICTURE. NOW THE TWO LOTS THAT ARE ALSO ADJOINING OUR REAR 32 AND 33, THEY HAVE A GREAT THING WITH THE CULVERT AND THAT CULVERT DRAINS ALL THE WATER TO THIS WONDERFUL STORM DRAIN, SO THAT AREA THAT WE WANT TO PUT THE POOL IN IS NICE AND DRY. THIS JUST GOES TO GRAN BY THE HOA, AND THEY SAID IF THE COUNTY APPROVES THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM APPROVING IT. HERE'S A RESIDENCE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A POOL AND ENCLOSURE THAT'S CLOSE TO THE REAR, AND THEN THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND US.

AND AGAIN ANOTHER HOME WITH A POOL AND ENCLOSURE THAT'S CLOSE TO THEIR REAR. CHRIS IS A VETERAN, AND THIS IS JUST SAYING THAT HE'S 30% DISABLED AND A POOL WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO USE FOR NON-IMPACT EXERCISE.

AND THAT'S JUST THE DOCTOR'S LETTER.

STATING THAT FACT. AND THEN HERE'S THE VIDEO.

HOLD ONTO YOUR SEATS. WE'RE NOT PROFESSIONALS.

I GET A LITTLE MOTION SICKNESS. THIS IS OUR SIDE.

THAT'S OUR CATCH BASIN.

>> YOU CAN SEE THE WATER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LOT, 31.

WHERE IT COLLECTS. IT IS UNDER SANDBAGS OR JUST

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>> YOU CAN SEE THE WATER ON THE BOTTOM OF THE FENCE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THE WATER AROUND THE SANDBAGS.

AS I GO ALONG YOU CAN SEE THE WATER ABUTTING THE FENCE.

THERE'S POOLING ON THEIR PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE THE WATER BY THE FENCE.

NOW I'M GOING TO GET ON TOP AND SEE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S PUDDLING IN THEIR BACKYARD. IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE BUT POOLING. AND IT'S SEEPING UNDER OUR FENC FENCE. [INAUDIBLE] YOU CAN SEE IT THROUGH THE BUSHES THERE.

THIS WATER HERE JUST SITS HERE UNTIL IT GOES UNDER OUR FENCE.

TO THE REAR OF OUR PROPERTY. IT COMES INTO OUR YARD, AND IT HAS TO BE CAUGHT BY OUR CATCH BASIN TO BE PUMPED OUT.

>> WE TOOK THIS WHEN THE HOUSE WAS UP FOR SALE.

WE HAD WANTED TO SHOW THE CURRENT OWNERS THE ISSUE THAT WE HAD ADDRESSED BEFORE WITH THEM, BUT THEN THEY TOOK THE HOUSE FROM A FOR SALE BY OWNER AND THEY WENT WITH THEIR REALTOR SO WE WANTED THE SHOW THE REALTOR THE ISSUE AS WELL SO THEY COULD DISCLOSE IT TO THE INCOMING OWNERS.

AND THEN THIS IS JUST ME DOING SOME RESEARCH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER TWO HOMES. THEY ARE COMPARABLE SIZE OWES COMPARABLE LOTS. WE GET NO WATER FROM THEM.

I BELIEVE IT'S PROBABLY FROM THE CULVERT AND THE STORM DRAIN, WHEREAS WE GET A LOT OF WATER FROM 133, SO WE JUST WANT TO

AVOID THAT AREA IN GENERAL. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WERE YOU NOT DONE?

>> OH, NO, I WAS JUST -- IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS REGARDING HOW, YOU KNOW, THE SUMP PUMP COULD HANDLE HOW MUCH WATER AND THAT KIND OF THING. [INAUDIBLE]

[LAUGHTER] >> OKAY.

WELL, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> NO SPEAKER CARDS. >> ALL RIGHT.

YOU CAN GIVE YOUR COMMENTS NOW OR WE CAN WAIT NOOR MOTION.

>> I'LL BE QUICK. I'M REALLY SORRY YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS. THE DRAINAGE ISSUES.

THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WEREN'T. I HOPE YOU HAVE SEASON TAKEN SOME KIND OF ACTION ON THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE FLOODING. BUT I DO SEE YOU HAVE A HARDSHIP. YOU'VE TAKEN MANY, MANY STEPS TO REMEDIATE THIS FLOODING ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY.

YOU'RE THE CATCH BASIN FOR ALL THESE OTHER HOUSES RIGHT AROUND YOU. AND THE SHAPE OF YOUR LOT, GIVEN ALL THAT, I THINK YOU HAVE A BONE A HYDE FIED HARDSHIP HERE AND I'M ALL IN FAVOR GRANTING YOUR POOL REQUEST.

>> WE APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> IS THAT A MOTION? >> I'LL MAKE IT A MOTION, BUT I CAN'T READ THE FULL THING OUT. I'D HAVE TO LOG INTO THE

WHOLE DEAR HERE ON MY PHONE. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

>> I'M JUMP IN FOR MY COLLEAGUE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION IN MOTION TO

[4. MAJMOD 2021-19 Julington Lakes. Request to modify the Julington Lakes PUD, Ordnance No. 2014-46 to allow up to 46,000 square feet of Neighborhood Commercial uses on a 4.54 acre parcel that was previously used for construction staging, located at 3264 Longleaf Pine Parkway.]

REPORT. >> THANK YOU, MR. MILLER.

SECOND? >> SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE ONE THING TO SAY.

THANK YOU FOR SERVING OUR COUNTRY.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE VOTE.

YIEWTIONZ CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK .

CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. NEXT UP, ITEM NUMBER 4 ON THE AGENDA, MR. JAMES YOUNG AND IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO BE DECLARIFIED FOR THIS ITEM ITEM? -- DECLARED FOR THIS ITEM?

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MR. YOUNG. >> I DO HAVE AN EX PARTE.

OH, NO, NOT ON THIS ONE. SORRY.

I APOLOGIZE. >> YOU'RE GOOD TO GO, JIM.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN% AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS JIM YOUNG. MY ADDRESS IS 10117 CROSS GREENWAY, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. I'M HERE AS AGENT FOR TOLL BROTHERS FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, AND WITH ME IS MR. STEVE MURTON WHO IS THE NORTH FLORIDA DIVISION PRESIDENT OF TOLL BROTHERS WHO IS AVAILABLE TO TALK AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, HERE'S A SUMMARY. WE ARE HERE TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO JULINGTON LAKES PUD WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE IN 2014-46 TO ALLOW A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES ON A VACANT 4.6 PLUS MINUS ACRE PARCEL FRONTING LONGLEAF LINE PARKWAY THAT IS CURRENTLY USED AS A CONSTRUCTION STAGING AREA. THERE'S NO OTHER CHANGES THAT ARE REQUESTED FOR THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE TO THE 2014-46. RESIDENTIAL B, WHICH IS THE LAND USE, ALLOWS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES.

THIS APPLICATION COMPLIES WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. ALL ST. JOHNS COUNTY DEPARTMENTS OF REVIEWD, SIGNED OFF OR HAD ALL COMMENTS ADDRESSED OR ACKNOWLEDGED. A COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD WITH NO ATTENDEES FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

I CAN'T REALLY SEE THAT REAL GOOD.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S NOT DOING GOOD. ANYWAY, THIS IS -- I'M GOING TO POINT THE LITTLE POINTER DOESN'T SHOW.

>> WE CAN SEE IT. >> OKAY.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED RIGHT THERE OFF OF LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY. YOU HAVE VETERANS PARK BAY WAY TO THE EAST. AND YOU HAVE MIDDLEBORN PUD TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH AND YOU HAVE ABERDEEN TO THE WEST.

SO THERE'S -- THAT'S A PROPERTY THERE THAT'S KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW THAT'S SITTING JUST LOOK A HELICOPTER RIGHT ON TOP OF THE PROPERTY, AND YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE WHAT THOSE -- I TRIED TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT THE WETLAND WERE, THE UPLANDS, I THINK I'LL TRY TO READ THAT TO YOU. THE OVERALL AREA IS 4.6 PLUS MINUS ACRES. THE UPLAND AREA IS 2.8S PLUS MINUS ACRES. THE BUFFER AREA IS 1.3 PLUS MINUS ACRES. AND THE WETLAND AREA IS .0.5 PLUS MINEES ACRES. THIS IS A SURVEY.

THIS IS ACTUALLY A TRACT THAT'S ON THE PLAT MAP.

IT'S A RECORD TRACT RIGHT ON THE PLAT.

AND IT HAS ALL THOSE DIMENSIONS. THIS IS THE LAND USE MAP WITH THE SUBJECT. YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE.

SANDWICHED RIGHT BETWEEN MIDDLEBORN AND ABERDEEN.

AND THESE ARE ALL USES THAT YOU ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH FROM SECTION 2.0201. EVERY USE THAT'S IN THIS CATEGORY THAT WE REQUESTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MARINA.

WE SECLUDED THE MARINA BECAUSE IT'S NOT POLITICAL IN THIS CASE.

SO WE'RE -- NOT APPLICABLE IN THIS CASE.

SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU.

>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

[5. MAJMOD 2021-21 Marsh Landing Lot 42 Expansion. Request for a Major Modification to the Marsh Landing PUD (ORD 1975-15, as amended) to incorporate twenty (20) feet of land lying west of Lot 42 into the PUD boundaries to accommodate construction of a single-family home.]

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> NO SPEAKER CARDS.

>> THEN WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

>> MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR MODIFICATION 2021-19 JULINGTON LAKES BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AS LISTED

IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> MOTION BY MR. MILLER.

SECONDED BY MR. PIER. IS THERE DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT PASSES.

CONGRATULATIONS, JIM. GOOD TO SEE.

>> YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> LET'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER 5.

MR. DAVENPORT, IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO BE

DECLARED FOR ITEM NUMBER 5? >> NO, SIR

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. GARY DAVENPORT, 212 SOUTH STHAD

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IT'S SEPARATED LIKE THAT BECAUSE THERE'S ANSWER EAST P GOING THROUGH IT BUT IT'S BUN PLATTED LOT, AND THEN EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT OF THAT INCLUDING THE RED HATCHED AREA IS A LARGE KIND OF PENINSULA COMING OUT SURROUNDED BY WETLANDS, LANDLOCKED, AND IT'S ABOUT 3 ACRES TOTAL PROPERTY, MORE THAN AN ACRE OF UPLANDS, AND IT ALREADY HAS A MAJOR MODIFICATION FROM 2016 WHICH ALLOWS ACCESS THROUGH THE LOT SO THERE IS AN EASEMENT AND ACCESS THROUGH MARCH LANDING TO THAT OR PARCEL.

AGAIN, THAT IS ZONED OR SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS TWO DEVELOPABLE LOTS, ONE WITHIN THE PUD AND ONE WITH DEVELOPABLE AS OR. SO MCCORMICK GEE BOUGHT BOTH OF THESE -- MR. MAGEE BOUGHT BOTH OF THESE PARCELS FROM MR. STOKES EARLIER LAST YEAR, AND HE WANTS TO BUILD A HOM ON THE PENINSULA. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. ACTUALLY OVERLOOKS THE DAVIS ESTATE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTRACOASTAL.

AND HE WANTS TO BUILD A FAMILY MEMBER A PARCEL ON THE PLATTED LOT. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A HUGE DISPARITY IN THE SIZE OF THE LOTS, TWHANTS TO BUILD RELATIVELY COMPARABLE HOUSES, AND INSTEAD OF JUST CRAMMING IT IN ON THE MARSH LANDING LOT, HE WANTS TO ADD 20 FEET, WHICH IS THE RED HATCHED AREA, TO THE PUD YOU, BASE OICLY TO THIS LOT, IT WILL PARALLEL THAT LOT, SO THAT HIS FAMILY MEMBER'S HOME WILL FIT MORE COMFORTABLY AND HE WILL BE ABLE TO BE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE WATER RATHER THAN ORIENTED TOWARDS THE STREET LIKE MOST OF THE OTHER LOTS IN THERE. SO ESSENTIALLY THIS SHOWS THE OR LOT, AND THIS ALSO SHOWS YOUR RELATIVE ZONING.

EVERYTHING IN THE BLUE OVER THERE IS THE PUD.

IT WAS PLATTED WITH STRAIGHT LINES.

IT DIDN'T REALLIAL FOLLOW TOPOGRAPHY.

AND THEN THE YELLOW PART IS THE OR LOT.

THIS IS THE 2016 MAJOR MODIFICATION WHICH NOW ALLOWS ACCESS OUTSIDE OF THE PUD TO THE OTHER LOT.

AND THIS IS -- THIS IS A REPRESENTATION OF THE WETLAND LINES IN THERE, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, EVEN THE -- IT'S NOT EXACTLY CORRECT. I HAVE A BETTER OF ONE I'LL SHOW YOU, BUT IT GENERALLY SHOWS THAT ON LOT 42 IT IS KIND OF CONSTRAINED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A PLATTED LOT.

THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH OF IT THAT YOU CAN BUILD ON, BUT IT DOES SHOW A GOOD AERIAL REPRESENTATION OF IT.

SO IF I COULD JUST SHOW YOU ONE OVERHEAD FOR -- I JUST RECEIVED THIS TODAY. I ALSO WOULD HAVE HADIT IN MY PRESENTATION, BUT THE ORANGE OUTLINE, SOLID LINE IS THE PLATTED LOT. YOU CAN SEE THE WETLAND LINES DOWN IN HERE, ACROSS HERE, AND THE DASHED ORANGE LINE IS THE 2O THE PUD, ADD TO LOT 42 SO THAT YOU CAN SEE -- I JUST GOT THIS TODAY AS A BUILDER'S DLAWG, BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT HOUSE WOAB CRAMMED IN THERE IF IT HAD TO MOVE OVER TO MEET THE 10-FOOT SETBACK, AND THEN THE OTHER HOUSE WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY A DISTANCE AWAY FROM IT ALONG THE MASH LAND.

-- MARSH LAND. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? FOR THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> NO SPEAKER WARDS CARDS. >> FROM DR. MCCORMICK.

>> DID YOU HAVE ANY CARDS? >> NO, SIR.

>> NO, SIR? >> NO, SIR.

[Items 6 & 7]

>> THEN I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ON.

MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAGIC MOD 20 THE ONE-21 MARSH LANDING LOT 42 EXPANSION BASED UPON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AS

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY DR. MCCORMICK, SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOTION PASSES. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT.

MR. HART. WE ARE ONTO MAJOR MOD 2021-20.

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>> , I DID SPEAK WITH MR. HART ON MONDAY, THE 17TH ABOUT THE BENCHIP PROPERTY AND WHAT THEIR DESIRE WAS TO REMOVE THE PROPERTY AT THE BACK FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING, SO WE HAD ABOUT A FIVE-MINUTE CONVERSATION.

>> I ALSO -- I VISITED THE SITE. THAT'S MINE.

>> I VISITED THE SITE ALSO. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> I DIDN'T VISIT THE SITE. >> AND I HAD TWO CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. HART EARLIER THIS WEEK ABOUT WHAT CHANGES WERE MADE, AND THEN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO OR SEVERAL WEEKS AGO WHEN HE ASKED TO BE CONTINUED RELATED TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARTICULAR ISSUES. YOU'VE GOT TO THROWER, MR. HART.

>> CUTTER HART 801 TERRA LANE JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

>> DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS AND THE OTHER ONE TOGETHER.

>> THAT'S EXACT WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.

I'D LIKE TO DOO THESE AT THE SAME TIME.

THEY SORT OF INTERCHANGE WITH, IT WOULD BE EASIER AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU COULD VOTE ON THEM SEPARATELY.

IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER ON ME IF YOU DO THAT.

>> FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO COULDN'T HEAR THE ROCKS RELATING IN MY

HEAD, I WAS SHAWING MY HEAD YES. >> THE FIRST IS A MAJOR MOD TO THE COMMERCIAL PUD. THIS IS JUST A LOCATION MAP.

IT IS EAST OF THE CELEBRATE INVITE A WILD -- INTERSTATE 95.

RIO SAN JUAN ROAD IS BUILT ANDES TRAWD ASK YOU A MAJOR HORTON PROJECT IS -- ACTUALLY THAT'S MORE WEST BUT IT'S TO THE NORTHWEST OF THIS PROJECT. THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND MAP, LAND USE MAP THAT SHOWS THAT THIS ENTIRE PROJECT IS IN THE MIXED USE LAND USE. SCOANG ZONING MAP.

YOU CAN TELL WE'RE SURROUNDED BY A PUD THAT OR IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH IS A LARGE RETENTION POND.

WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO -- THIS IS THE -- WHAT EXISTS EXACTLY TODAY? WE HAVE A PUD THAT ALLOWS US TO DO 500,000 SQUARE FOOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL GENERAL BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL, OFFICE AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

THE DETAIL UP FRONT IS GOING TO PRACTICALLY STAY THE SAME.

THE PARCEL THAT WE WILL BE ASKING TO CUT OUT OF THIS PUD IS THE PARCEL IN THE BACK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PHASE 2 OF THIS MASTER DEVELOPMENT MAP. THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, THE EXISTING PUD IS WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE PHASE 2, APPROXIMATELY 19.9 ACRES, AND ASK IN THE NEXT ORDINANCE WE'LL BE ASKING FOR A WORKFORCE HOUSING DESIGNATION FOR THAT 20 -- IT'S ACTUALLY 19.9 ACRES, PRACTICALLY 20 ACRES.

WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO IN THIS MAJOR MOD IS TO REDUCE THE COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE ALLOWED FROM 500,000 TO 250,000 SQUARE FEET. WE'RE ASKING TO PROVIDE A PEDESTRIAN OR VEHICULAR INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE TWO. WE'RE ACTUALLY -- I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY ONLY PEDESTRIAN IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO.

WE FEEL AS IF IF WE MAXIMIZE THE WORKFORCE HOUSING IN THE REAR AND WE PUT 260 TOWNHOMES BACK THERE, I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET A TOTAL OF 260 BUT THAT'S WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE CODE, 13 PER ACRE, THIS COULD POTENTIALLY, IF WE ALLOWED VEHICLES TO COME THROUGH HERE, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A SHORTCUT TO GO BACK TO THE INTERSTATE FOR ALL THOSE FOLKS.

WE WOULD RATHER THEY GO OUT THE MAIN ADVANCE.

WAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO DEVELOP AND COME TO THE RED LIGHT THAT'S AT WILDWOOD AND RIO SAN JUAN ROAD AND WE'D LIKE FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO COME OUT TO A CONTROLLED INTERCHANGE RATHER THAN CUT THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, BUT WE DO WANT TO PROVIDE AN PEDESTRIAN EXIT AND ENTRANCE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LIVE THERE CAN WALK OVER TO PERHAPS A GROCERY STORE OR WHATEVER GOES THERE AND DO BUSINESS OR SOME OF THOSE OUT-PARCELS MAY BE SOME FAST FOOD STORES, SO WE CERTAINLY WOULD PROVIDE FOR BICYCLE AND TALK WITHING BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS.

THE OTHER THING I'M ASKING FOR, OTHER ITEMS I'M ASKING FOR IS TO PROVIDE A 20-FOOT TYPE B BUFFER ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY BETWEEN

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THAT SIGNAGE WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS, FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, FROM THIS PUD. AND THEN WE, OF COURSE, WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE WORKFORCE HOUSING.

LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THAT ENTRANCE WAY.

THE ENTRANCE WAY ALREADY EXISTS. IT WAS BUILT WHEN RIO SAN JUAN ROAD WAS BUILT. SO THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL IDENTITY SIGNS ARE.

THE ONE THAT'S IMMEDIATELY TO THE TOP OF THE PROJECT WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE PUD. AND THE OUT-PARCEL IDENTITY SIGNS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WE'RE NO INCREASING THE OUT-PARCEL, SO THE SIGNS WILL ALL STAY THE SAME.

THIS IS A TYPICAL COMMERCIAL BUILDING EXAMPLE THAT WILL STAY THE SAME. WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THIS.

I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COMMITTEE THEY'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE BUT THESE WILL STILL EXIST IN THE COMMERCIAL PART.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE ONE COMMERCIAL IDENTITY SIGN FROM OUR UNIFIED SIGN PLAN AND, OF COURSE, WORKFORCE HOUSING WILL ALLOW FOR SIGNAGE MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

THIS IS THE NEW UNIFIED SIGN PLAN NOW.

YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE NOW TAKEN OUT THAT OTHER SIGN OR ANY REFERENCE TO THE BACK THERE. NOW, IF I -- IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO GO RIGHT INTO THE WORKFORCE HOUSING ON THE 19 ACRES TO THE REAR. SO WE'LL HAVE ONE -- ACTUALLY THAT'S ALONG RIO SAN JUAN ROAD. EV DONE AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL STUDY.

THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT -- THERE'S NO FINDS ON THEIN SITE.

WE HAVE 1.3 ACRES OF ISOLATED WETLAND THAT WE WILL MEET AND MITIGATE FOR AND WE'LL FOLLOW ALLAL LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL GUIDELINES ON THOSE 1.3 ACRES OF THE ISOLATED WETLAND.

S THERE IS 4.3 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE PLUS 2.86 ACRES OF ACT OF RECREATION IN ITS WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT.

OUR MOODGES DENSITY IS 13 UNITS PER AREA, WHICH WOULD BE 160 TOWNHOMES. ONCE WE DO OUR LAND PLAN, I'M SURE THAT NUMBER WILL GO DOWN BUT WE ARE ASKING FOR A STRAIGHT ZONING SO THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN A STRAIGHT ZONING.

WILDLIFE REPORT INDICATES SEVEN GOPHER TORTOISES, WHICH IS SORT OF NICE BECAUSE YOU FIND GOPHER TORTOISES, IT'S USUALLY HIGH AND DRY. THE SITE THROUGH SOIL ABORTION WE HAVE FOUND IS VERY SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.

PHASE 1 DID NOT INDICATE ANY POLLUTION OF ANY TYPE.

WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY AND HAVE BEEN APPROVED. WE ARE GOING TO PAY ABOUT $200,000 IN IMPACT FOR OUR IMPACT TO DIFFERENT ROADWAYS.

AND INTERNAL ROADWAYS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE PRIVATE.

AND TRAFFIC STUDY WAS PERFORMED AND FILED WITH THE COUNTY.

NO IMPROVEMENTS IS NEEDED. WE HAVE INTERNAL CAP COMMUTER AND TRAFFIC IS NET NEUTRAL. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE WORKFORCE HOUSING, ALL INTERNAL PRIVATE ROSATI ROADS.

THIS IS SHOWING APPROXIMATELY WHERE THE ROADS WILL BE.

THERE IS A LARGE PARCEL OF LAND THAT CONTAINS A HOME RIGHT THERE. WE ARE KEEPING EXACTLY WHAT WE COMMITTED TO AS FAR AS THE BUFFERS AND FENCING AROUND THAT HOME. THEY WILL ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY THROUGH THROUGH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO ANY SLIDE AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

DR. MCCORMICK. >> YES.

I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. >> SURE.

>> FIRST OF ALL, WELL, FIRST OF ALL LET ME SAY THIS.

WHEN THE PROPOSAL CAME BEFORE US BEFORE, YOU HAD THE COMMERCIAL

CONNECTED TO THAT PROPOSAL. >> YES, SIR.

>> AND I OPPOSED IT FOR THAT REASON.

NOW YOU'VE ELIMINATED THAT, WHICH IS GOOD.

MY QUESTION, THEN, IS ON THE AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING --

>> YES, SIR. >> AND YOU'RE SAYING AT LEAST 40% OF THAT WILL BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

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RANGE OF FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING? >> I KNOW IT SOUNDS -- IT SOUNDS CRAZY. THE $240,000 IS THE MAXIMUM, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM. SOME OF THESE MAY BE LESS, BUT $240,000 IS THE MAXIMUM THAT WE CAN GO FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE SAFELY A HOME TODAY IS AT $350,000 IN THIS AREA. THAT'S AMAZING WHAT HOPES COST.

BUT TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS AT $240,000, 40% OF OUR PRODUCT

HAS TO BE PRICED IN THAT RANGE. >> OKAY.

BUT THE REST COULD BE PRICED. THOSE ARE THE ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS REALLY. MY QUESTION I GUESS FOR THE ATTORNEY IS ARE WE IN THE APPROPRIATE ORDER HERE, TAKING 6

FIRST AND SENT 7? >> YES, BECAUSE YOU NEED TO REMOVE THAT COMMERCIAL PARCEL FROM THE PUD FIRST BEFORE YOU CAN REZONE THAT SAME AREA TO WORKFORCE HOUSING.

>> OKAY. 6 THE IS THE ONE WE TAKE FIRST.

>> WE HAVE NO SPEAKER WARDS. >> NO SPEAKER CARDS.

YOU'RE DONE, DR. MCCORMICK? I'M SORRY.

>> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT NOT IF OTHER PEOPLE

HAVE COMMENTS BEFORE. >> OKAY.

MR. ROBERTSON. >> THANK YOU.

THERE WAS AN OPEN COMMENT IN THE STAFF REPORT WHICH MR. HART DID TALK TO. I JUST WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE FOR THE RECORD. IT WAS ABOUT THE VEHICULAR INTERCONNECTIVITY ON WHETHER TO CONNECT THOSE TWO.

I THINK YOU HAD INDICATED, MR. HART, PEDESTRIAN WAS YOUR

PROPOSAL. >> YES.

>> AND I KNOW -- PAUL, DO YOU HAVE DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? NO.

SO THE CODE DOES PROMOTE VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY, JUST FOR THE AGENCY'S KNOWLEDGE.

I HAVE SEEN IT BOTH WAYS. I'VE SEEN SOME DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THEY CONNECT THROUGH VEHICULAR.

IT'S CONVENIENT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A GROCERY STORE WHERE PEOPLE WOULD DRIVE, MAYBE NOT AS CONVENIENT TO CARRY GROCERIES, BUT I'VE ALSO SEEN IT TO WHERE IT WAS PEDESTRIAN, SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT WAS THE OPEN COMMENT WE HAD, MR. HART HAS GIVEN HIS REASONS, AND THAT'S STAFF'S EXPLANATION ON WHY WE THINK -- WHY IT'S REQUIRED IN THE CODE AND HOW IT'S BEEN HANDLED, IN MY EXPERIENCE HOW

I'VE SEEN IT. >> THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY

ON ITEM NUMBER 6 FOR A MOTION. >> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION

NOW. >> GREAT.

>> ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJMOD 2021-20 BEN COMMERCIALD UPON THE SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AS

PROVIDE PROVIDE PROVIDE. >> GOT A MOTION BY DR. MCCORMICK. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PETER. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT ITEM PASSES 5-0.

NOW, ON ITEM 7 IS THERE ANY EX PARTE TO GIVE HERE ON ITEM 7?

>> JUST THAT I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. HART ON MONDAY, JANUARY 17TH, ABOUT THE PROJECT.

>> AND I VISITED THE SITE. >> AND I ALSO HAD A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. HAAR ON THIS ITEM, JUST LIKE I DID ON I'M NUMBER 6. THAT'S EX PARTE.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> NO SPEAKER CARDS.

>> NOW WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR QUESTIONS OR A

MOTION. >> MOTION.

MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZ 2021-24 BENCHIP WORKFORCE

[8. REZ 2021-28 Oakland Avenue. Request to rezone approximately .23 acres of land from Commercial General (CG) to Residential, Single Family (RS-3) to accommodate construction of one (1) single-family home.]

>> WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY DR. MCCORMICK.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PETER.

ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

CONGRATULATIONS, MR. HART. >> THANK YOU, MEMBERS.

APPRECIATE IT. >> ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 8, MR. WANG.

IS THERE ANY EX PARTE TO DECLARE FOR ITEM NUMBER 8? NONE. OKAY.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KENAN WANG.

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AND THIS IS THE REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY .23 ACRES OF LAND FROM COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO ACCOMMODATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY, JUST FOR REFERENCE. THIS SUBDIVISION IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY, ST. JOHN COMMUNITY COLLEGE OFF STRAIGHT ROAD 16. IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE.

AND THAT'S THE ZONING MAP OF THE SUBDIVISION SO YOU CAN SEE MOSTLY IT'S RES-C AND WITH THE CURRENT PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT IS ZONED COMMERCIAL GENERAL.

THAT'S THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. IT'S RESIDENTIAL C.

SO WE ARE A FAMILY-OWNED BUSINESS, A PRIVATE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER, SO BASICALLY WE BUILD THIS TYPE OF HOUSES THAT YOU SEE, SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO REZONE TO RESIDENTIAL AND BUILD A THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE APPROXIMATELY 1250 SQUARE FOOT. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> DOES NUB HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> NO SPEAKER CARDS BUT JUST ONE

QUESTION. >> OKAY.

>> SIR, IS THIS A PLATTED LOT OF RECORD?

>> YES. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

[9. REZ 2021-35 Red Moon Properties. Request to rezone approximately 1.34 acres of land from Commercial Neighborhood (CN) to Residential, Manufactured/Mobile Home or Single Family (RMH(S)) to allow for one (1) single-family home on each of the six (6) platted lots.]

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. >> OKAY.

>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONE 2021-28, 631 OAKLAND AVENUE, BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF

REPORT. >> WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY MR. PETER. SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

CONGRATULATIONS, MR. WANG. THAT MOTION PASSES.

>> THANK YOU. >> AND NOW WE ARE ONTO ITEM NUMBER 9, MR. BILL MILLER. ANY EX PARTE TO DECLARE FOR ITEM NUMBER 9? SEEING NONE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR,

MR. MILLER. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

BILL MILLER, 288 DESOTO ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, PRESENTING ON BEHALF MY CUSTOMER, MR. BISHOP WHO IS HERE IN ATTENDANCE. WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST THE REZONE OF SIX PLATTED LOTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PLATTED AS C9N, COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, TO THE ZONING OF RMH TO BUILD SIX SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IN THAT AREA WHEN WE'VE REZONED THOSE AS WELL.

YOU CAN SEE THERE THE AREA OF THE LOTS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM SEA SCAPE CIRCLE. THERE'S ONE LOT THAT'S ON COST THAT INNER OH THAT WILL REQUIRE SEPTIC.

THE REST OF THE LOTS WILL BE ABLE TO TIE INTO THE COUNTY STIEWR THAT RUNS DOWN THE LINE, HAVE SENT A DECLARE AT THE COUNTY UTILITIES AND IS THERE IS AVAILABILITY IN THAT LINE FOR BOTH WATER AND SEWER. SITE PLANS FOR YOU.

THERE'S A RENDERING OF THE HOMES TO BE BUILT.

A SIMILAR HOME THAT WE'VE BUILT, ACTUALLY TO SHOW YOU THE ARCHITECTURE AND SOME SPECKS OF THE HOME AS WELL.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE AGENCY MIGHT HAVE?

>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

DR. HILSENBECK. >> I JUST HAVE ONE.

WHY CAN'T YOU GET THAT OTHER HOUSE ON THAT ONE LOT PUT ON THE

SEWER? >> THE SEWER LINE RUNS DOWN A1A.

YOU'D HAVE TO DO AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT ACROSS THE LOT TO BRING IT TO THAT BACK LOT, AND EVERYTHING ALONG COSTANERO IS

ALREADY DONE ON THE SEPTIC. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

DR. MCCORMICK. >> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.

SINCE HE'S IN MY DISTRICT, OR THE HOME IS IN MY DISTRICT, I'M

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>> OKAY. YES, SIR.

>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RES-2021-35 RED MOON

[Staff Reports: Next PZA meeting is on February 3, 2022 with 10 items.]

>> AND THERE'S NO SPEAKER CARDS. >> THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY DR. MCCORMICK. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> SECOND BY MR. MILLER.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOST PASSES. CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU, GUYS. HAVE A GREAT DAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

THAT BRINGS US TO STAFF REPORTS. >> THAT'S IT.

>> MR. CHAIR. >> YES.

>> JUST A REMINDER FOR THE AGENCY MEMBERS,

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