[1. Presentation of the St. Johns County Surplus and OPEB Investment Portfolios. The St. Johns County Board of County Commissioners Investment Policy, Section XVII. Reporting, and OPEB Trust Investment Policy, Section XV, require for the Clerk or designee to prepare and submit to the Board a written report annually on all invested funds. Included in the report shall be a complete list of all invested funds, name or type of security in which the funds are invested, the amount invested, the maturity date, earned income, the book value, the market value and the yield on each investment. PFM Asset Management, LLC, is the County’s investment advisor and ha s prepared the annual reports for the quarter ended September 30, 2021. The Board will now have the opportunity for any further discussion with the investment advisors. ]

EVERYONE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> OPPOSED? NONE.

ITEM NUMBER ONE. WE WILL CALL THE CLERK TO COURT BACK TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION ON ITEM NUMBER ONE.

GOOD MORNING. >> THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING.

BEFORE INVITING PFM TO PROVIDE THE BRIEFING ON COUNTY INVESTMENTS I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A REFRESHER ON HOW COUNTY INVESTMENTS ARE MANAGED PER STATUTE AND POLICY.

THE SEPARATION OF INVESTMENT POLICY AND INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND CLERK EXIST TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE PUBLIC TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN GOVERNMENT.

THE COUNTY SETS THE INVESTMENT POLICIES WITH THE SURPLUS FUND BEING THE LAST UPDATED NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

THE COUNTY'S POLICY MUST AT A MINIMUM BE FLORIDA STATUTE 218.415 LOCAL GOVERNMENT INVESTMENT POLICIES.

THAT SETS THE INVESTMENT AND -- PUBLIC MONEY IS AVAILABLE TO BE SPENT WHEN IT NEEDED ON A DESIGNATED PURPOSE.

UTILIZE PFM INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT WHO IS HERE TODAY TO BRIEF LAST YEAR'S PERFORMANCE. TO MANAGE THE COUNTY SURPLUS AND OPEB FUNDS. WITH BOTH OF THE STAY AT ARMS LENGTH AND A GENERALLY DO NOT GET INVOLVED WITH PICKING INDIVIDUAL INVESTMENTS. IN FACT, WE WAITED UNTIL THE INVESTMENT POLICY WAS SIGNED LAST YEAR BEFORE SELLING LAST NOVEMBER. WE DO STAY IN TOUCH WITH PFM ON A REGULAR BASIS TO ENSURE INVESTMENTS ARE IN LINE WITH STATUTE AND COUNTY POLICY. I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE STEVE ALEXANDER AND SCOTT FROM PFM BRIEFING.

GENTLEMEN? >> GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS. I AM STEVE ALEXANDER HE WITH MY ASSOCIATE. WE'RE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE ANNUAL INVESTMENT REPORT. I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS. I CERTAINLY WANT TO ECHO WHAT THE CLERK JUST SAID. THE THREE MAJOR OBJECTIVES OF SAFETY, LIQUIDITY AND YIELD. THAT IS WHAT WE FOCUS ON.

THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF MANAGING THE PORTFOLIO.

ALSO, I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME BRIEF PARAMETERS OF THE PORTFOLIO, HOW WE THINK ABOUT AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE PORTFOLIOS ARE HIGH-QUALITY FIXED INCOME. THERE ARE NO EQUITIES AND A PSTOCKS INSIDE OF THE PORTFOLIO. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY AND THE SURPLUS FUNDS. OF COURSE THE OTHER POSTEMPLOYMENT BENEFIT FUND DOES OF COURSE HAVE A 60 PERCENT EQUITY 40 PERCENT FIXED INCOME.

THAT IS MANAGED MORE LIKE A RETIREMENT FUND.

THE REST OF THE REPORT TODAY IS REALLY ABOUT THE SURPLUS FUNDS.

IT IS 100 PERCENT FIXED INCOME, HIGH QUALITY, ALL SECURITIES IN THE PORTFOLIOS HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CREDIT REVIEW PROCESS. --BEFORE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE PURCHASED THAT IS AN ONGOING CREDIT REVIEW PROCESS.

YOU CAN IMAGINE GOING THROUGH 2020 BECAUSE OF COVID THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FLUCTUATIONS IN THE MARKETPLACE. WE SAW A LOT OF BANKRUPTCIES AND A LOT OF CREDIT STRESS IN THE MARKETPLACE.

WE HAVE A VERY CAREFUL AND THOUGHTFUL PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT COMPANIES AND RIGHT SECURITIES ON THE ONGOING BASIS. THE PORTFOLIOS ARE ACTIVELY MANAGED WE ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES.

LOOKING FOR WAYS THAT WE CAN ADD ADDITIONAL VALUES TO THE PORTFOLIO.IN ADDITION, EVERYTHING IS PURSUANT TO THIS STATE STATUTE. THE COUNTY IS VERY DETAILED INVESTMENT POLICY THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR MANY YEARS.

ALL OF THOSE SAFEGUARDS ARE IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE MOST APPROPRIATE PORTFOLIO. AGAIN, WE ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF SPECULATING YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF CREATING INCOME. BEFORE THAT, WE PROVIDE SAFETY AND MAKING SURE THE COUNTY HAS LIQUIDITY PAYS OBLIGATIONS.

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THOSE ARE THE HALLMARKS OF HOW WE MANAGE THE PORTFOLIOS.

IN THIS REPORT I WANT TO WALK YOU THROUGH A FEW OF --THE PAGES HERE. PAGE NUMBER THREE OF THE PRESENTATION. I DO NOT KNOW WHO HAS THE QUICKER. YES, RIGHT THERE.

THIS IS THE PORTFOLIO. THE ONE AND THROUGH YOUR PORTFOLIO. WE DO HAVE SHORT-TERM OXIDES AND LONG-TERM ASSETS. SHORT-TERM IS PAYROLL, PAPER OBLIGATIONS, AND INVESTED ON A SHORT-TERM BASIS TO ENSURE LIQUIDITY. THE COUNTY ALWAYS HAS ENOUGH FUNDS TO PLAY ITS OBLIGATIONS. THE BIFURCATION STARTS WHEN WE HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL PORTFOLIOS THAT ARE INVESTED BETWEEN ONE AND THREE YEARS. SOME OF THE INVESTMENTS ARE INVESTED IN ABOUT FIVE YEARS OR SO.

THOSE TWO PORTFOLIOS I WILL GO OVER NEXT ARE REALLY DESIGNED TO ADD ADDITIONAL VALUE TO THE COUNTY.

I WILL SHOW YOU THE RESULTS OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.

THIS FIRST PAGE WILL SHOW YOU THE GREAT AMOUNT OF DIVERSIFICATION. ALL OF OUR PORTFOLIOS HAVE SOME ALLOCATIONS, US TREASURIES. WE FEEL THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT WHEN THERE IS CREDIT CRISIS, COVID SITUATIONS, STRESS IN THE MARKETPLACE, TREASURIES ARE ALWAYS A SAFE HAVEN.

YOU HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. WITH ADDITION TO THAT WE OF THE US TREASURIES, WE HAVE A CORPORATE, FEDERAL AGENCIES, ASSET-BACKED SECURITIES, ALL ADDING ADDITIONAL VALUE TO THE PORTFOLIO. ON THE NEXT PAGE, ACTUALLY ON PAGE NUMBER FIVE. PAGE NUMBER FIVE.

ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IS A DIVERSIFICATION.

I WANT TO STRESS THAT THIS MORNING.

AND ALL THE PORTFOLIOS WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DIVERSIFICATION. I HAVE BEEN DOING INVESTMENTS UNFORTUNATELY FOR 35 YEARS OR SO.

EVERY TIME THERE IS A FINANCIAL PROBLEM IT USUALLY RESULTS TO YOU TOO MUCH GREED AND NOT ENOUGH DIVERSIFICATION.

DIVERSIFICATION ALLOWS THE COUNTY TO HAS ITS ASSETS SPREAD AMONG MANY CLASSES. THEN, THE CORPORATE HOLDINGS WE HAVE IT. WE HAVE A GREAT AMOUNT OF DIVERSIFICATION. WE ARE NOT OVER INVESTED IN ANY SINGLE TYPE. THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

THAT DIVERSIFICATION PLAYS A REALLY KEY ROLE YEAR.

THIS IS A PART OF IT REPRESENTATION OF OUR COMPLIANCE PAGES. IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE BARS THERE. THAT REPRESENTS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BODY INVESTMENT POLICY. THE BLUE SHADED AREA SHOWS HOW MUCH IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY INVESTED.

WE MONITOR THE COMPLIANCE OF THE INVESTMENT ON A DAILY BASIS. YOUR INVESTMENT POLICY IS ACTUALLY COMPUTERIZED INTO OUR TRAINING SYSTEM.

THE PORTFOLIO MANAGER CAN NOW BUY US A SECURITY UNLESS IT MEETS THE COUNTY INDIVIDUAL INVESTMENT POLICY.

THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. YOU WILL SEE THE DIVERSIFICATION FROM US TREASURY, AGENCIES, SUPRANATIONAL'S, LGI PEAS, BANK DEPOSITS.

WE HAVE LONG-TERM, SHORT-TERM SECURITIES IN ORDER TO MEET ALL OF THE OBLIGATIONS THE COUNTY HAS.

ON THE NEXT PAGE YOU WILL SEE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT MAXIMUM MATURITIES. AGAIN, COMPLIANCE.

YOU WILL SEE HERE, FIVE YEARS, 5 AND A HALF YEARS.

THEN THE COLOR BLUE WILL REPRESENT HOW MUCH IN OVERALL MATURITIES. ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE, PAGE NUMBER SEVEN. I KNOW THERE IS A LOT HERE ON THIS PAGE. IT REPRESENTS THE INDIVIDUAL HOLDINGS THAT WE HAVE. IT SHOWS THE CREDIT RATINGS.

THE AVERAGE OVERALL CREDIT RATING IS DOUBLING UNDER S AND P. SEVERAL YEARS AGO ON A FRIDAY NIGHT AFTER EVERYBODY WENT TO HAPPY HOUR S&P DOWNGRADED THE UNITED STATES TREASURIES AND AGENCIES FROM AAA TO THE DOUBLE A+.

ON THE S&P PERSPECTIVE YOUR PORTFOLIO IS A AA.

-- PERSPECTIVE IS A AAA. IGH-QUALITY DIVERSIFIED PORTFOLIO. ON PAGE NUMBER NINE AND 10 YOU WILL SEE THE TWO INDIVIDUAL PORTFOLIOS.

ONE HAS A DURATION OF 2.6 YEARS.

SHORT-TERM PORTFOLIO WILL REALLY BE SOMETHING LESS THAN 60 DAYS. A GOOD DIVERSIFICATION AMONG THE ASSETS OF THE COUNTY. THE FIRST PORTFOLIO, 1 TO 3 ABOUT 1.5 YEARS. YOU WILL SEE THE DIVERSIFICATION THERE. PAGE NUMBER 10 THE ONE TO FIVE YEARS. 2 AND A HALF YEAR DURATION.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE YIELD CURVE WE HAVE ASSETS THROUGHOUT THE YIELD CURVE. WHEN INTEREST RATES MOVE WE ARE NOT BEHOLDEN TO WHAT THE INTEREST RATES ARE TO THE DAY.

WE HAVE SOME DIVERSIFICATION WITHIN THE MATURITY LIMITS.

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PAGE 11 THE AMOUNT OF TRADING THAT IS TAKING PLACE.

PAGE 11, SIR. THANK YOU.

PAGE 24 IN YOUR REPORT, SORRY. DIFFERENT NUMBERS, SORRY.

THAT IS THE RIGHT PAGE, THANK YOU.

THIS SHOWS THE ACTIVITY. EVERY DAY WE ARE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO EITHER SELL SOMETHING OR BUY SOMETHING.

THAT IS ONGOING. OBVIOUSLY WE ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INTEREST RATE CYCLE CHANGE.

THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS LIKELY GOING TO RAISE INTEREST RATES IN MARCH. SOME FOLKS SAY MAYBE THREE TIMES THIS YEAR. SOME FOLKS SAY FOUR TIMES.

EITHER WAY WE ARE GOING INTO A WHOLE NEW INTEREST RATE CYCLE.

THAT IS GOING TO PUT PRESSURE ON FIXED INCOME SECURITIES AS YOU KNOW AS INTEREST RATES RISE MARKET VALUES DECLINE AND REVERSE IS THE SAME.HAT IS HOW THE MODEL WORKS WITH THE BONDS. WE WILL BE VERY DILIGENT AND CAREFUL WITH OUR DURATIONS. WE WILL BE DEFENSIVE AS WE GO INTO THIS. WE WILL ALSO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUY OR HIGHER-YIELDING SECURITY AND BRING MORE INTEREST INCOME TO THE PORTFOLIO AND COUNTY. THAT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SC AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. WE'VE GONE THROUGH LOW AND HIGH INTEREST RATES IT IS A MESSY PROCESS.

WITH DIVERSIFICATION, SECURITIES AND MATURITIES WE WILL GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. YOU WILL START TO HAVE A HIGHER INTEREST INCOME SECURITIES. BRINGING MORE INTEREST AND COME BACK TO THE COUNTY. SO, THAT IS A GOOD THING WHERE WE WANT TO BE. IT WILL GET A LITTLE MESSY BEFORE NOW AND THEN. THERE WILL BE SOME TIMES WHERE THE TOTAL RETURN WILL BE NEGATIVE.

THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE RISING INTEREST RATES.

BECAUSE WE HAVE A GOOD AND STRONG CASH FOR ANALYSIS AND WE KNOW WHAT IS NEEDED FOR THE SHORT-TERM OPERATIONS VERSUS LONG-TERM WE CAN WEATHER THAT STORM PROPERLY.

THAT IS THE KEY, HAVING THAT INFORMATION.

THANK YOU FOR WORKING CLOSELY WITH US ON A REGULAR BASIS TO KEEP UP THIS INFORMATION. MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF DIVERSIFICATION. ON THE NEXT PAGE WE WILL GET TO THE PERFORMANCE PAGES. THIS PICTURE IS THE PERFORMANCE REPORT FOR THE FIRST PORTFOLIO. BOTH PORTFOLIOS HAVE OUTPERFORMED ITS REQUIRED BENCHMARKS.

OVER THE TIME. AND OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS WE HAVE OUTPERFORMED EACH OF THE BENCHMARKS.

THE 123 AND 1 TO 5 YOUR PORTFOLIO WHICH IS ON THE NEXT PAGE. FROM THE PERFORMANCE STANDPOINT WE HAVE OUTPERFORMED THE BENCHMARKS AS REQUIRED.

ON THE NEXT TWO PAGES I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE GROWTH OF THE INTEREST EARNINGS OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.

THIS IS FOR THE FIVE-YEAR PORTFOLIO.

IT SHOULD BE CLOSE TO $10.2 MILLION.

ADDITIONAL EARNINGS. THE PAGE PRIOR TO THIS WOULD SHOW ABOUT --16.9 MILLION. CLOSE TO $27 MILLION OF THESE TWO PORTFOLIOS OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.

ADDITIONAL INTEREST AND COME BACK TO THE COUNTY.WITH THAT SAFETY LIQUIDITY YIELD WE HAVE DONE A REALLY NICE JOB IN PROVIDING YOU SAFETY AND LIQUIDITY OVER THE YEARS.

YOU CAN SEE BY THE 27 MILLION OR SO DOLLARS OF ADDITIONAL INCOME TO THE COUNTY WE REALLY TRY TO WORK HARD ON THE YIELD PART. I THINK $27 MILLION FOR THE COUNTY GOES A LONG WAY. A LOT OF YOUR OPERATIONAL NEEDS. THE OPEB FUND IS THE OTHER POSTEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS. THESE ARE BENEFITS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO YOUR EMPLOYEES. THIS BENEFIT, IF YOU COULD IMAGINE THE HYBRID OF INFLATION AND HEALTHCARE ON THE HIGHEST RATE OF INFLATION FOR ANYTHING IN OUR SOCIETY IS IN THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY. THE OPEB FUND IS STARTED TO BE INVESTED AS A PENSION FUND AS OPPOSED TO THE SURPLUS FUNDS.

THEN WE INTRODUCED THE PENSION PLAN APPROACH WHICH IS 60 PERCENT EQUITIES, 40 PERCENT FIXED INCOME AND THE RESULT OF -- HAS PROVEN, YOU ARE OVERFUNDED ON THE OPEB.

THESE DOLLARS HAVE BEEN HARD AT WORK TO OVERCOME THAT LIABILITY. IN FACT THIS LAST YEAR THE OPEB FUND PRODUCED 21 PERCENT AND THE BENCHMARK WAS 17 PERCENT.

SINCE WE STARTED THIS STRATEGY BACK IN JULY 2008 THE FUND EARNED -- VERSUS THE BENCHMARK OF 7.22.

ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL OPEB PLANS IN THE STATE.

THE TIMING AND STRATEGY HAS WORKED OUT WELL.

THAT REALLY HELPS TO MINIMIZE THAT LIABILITY.WHICH CONSTANTLY GROWS IN THE HEALTHCARE SECTOR.

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HOPEFULLY WITH THAT, I HOPEFULLY COVERED.

--ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS? NOT NOW. NOT YET.

DID YOU HAVE A FURTHER PRESENTATION?

>> NO. >> LET'S MOVE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER ONE. THANK YOU STEVE.

>> MY PLEASURE. >> WE MAY CALL YOU BACK.

DO NOT GO AWAY. >> AT THIS TIME WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> GOOD MORNING. [INAUDIBLE].

THAT IS IN THE SERMON ANTITRUST ACT OF 1890.

LOOKING AT THE INVESTMENT THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY MAKES THEIR OVERWHELMINGLY INCORPORATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SUED FOR ANTITRUST VIOLATIONS. INVOLVED IN ENVIRONMENTAL VIOLATIONS. LABOR VIOLATIONS.

I AM ASHAMED. WE SHOULD REBID THE CONTRACT WITH PFM. PFM IS THE ORGANIZATION THAT ADVISED TO TAKE OVER MOSQUITO CONTROL.

THEIR WORK WAS SO SHALLOW, THEY DO NOT REALIZE MOSQUITO CONTROL HAD $5 MILLION IN THE BANK. THAT COULD NOT BE TOUCHED FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN MOSQUITO CONTROL.

TIME TO RENEW OR REBID THIS CONTRACT.

I OBJECTED TO INVESTING IN COMPANIES LIKE LOCKHEED MARTIN CORPORATION. WHICH HAS A TERRIBLE RECORD IN OAK RIDGE AND ELSEWHERE, POLLUTION, COVERUPS, MISTREATING WORKERS. SEX DISCRIMINATION, RACE DISCRIMINATION, WE HAVE WALMART, WALMART WHICH BUYS ITS PRODUCT FROM COMMUNIST CHINA. WALMART WHICH HAD HILLARY CLINTON ON ITS BOARD FROM 1985 UNTIL 1992.

INFORMED A BUSINESS PLAN OF BASICALLY TAKING A NEUTRON BOMB TO SMAL BUSINESS IN SMALL TOWN AMERICA.

THEY HAVE DESTROYED MAIN STREET.

AT THE BENEFIT OF COMMUNIST CHINA.

WHY ARE WE INVESTING IN WALMART? WHY ARE WE INVESTING IN BIG OIL COMPANIES? WE HAVE GLOBAL OCEAN LEVEL RISE.

THINK OF YOUR GRANDCHILDREN AND THEIR GRANDCHILDREN.

HOW WOULD YOU EXPLAIN WE ARE INVESTING IN COMPANIES THAT INCREASE GLOBAL WARMING CLAIM THAT INCREASE GLOBAL OCEAN LEVEL RISE? IT IS WRONG.

I SEE NO COMPETITIVE IMPACT STATEMENT NO ECONOMIC IMPACT STATEMENT. OUR STATE SENATOR TRAVIS HUDSON IS RIGHTFULLY CONCERNED ABOUT GOVERNMENT IMPACT ON THE ECONOMY. WE NEED AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

WE HAVE SOME REALLY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE.

THEY KNOW A LOT ABOUT INVESTMENTS AND CORPORATIONS AND BEHAVIOR. I OBJECTED TO MR. PATTY WHEN HE WAS AT THIS PODIUM USING THE WORD WOKE.

USING THAT AS A PEJORATIVE AS OUR GOVERNOR AND MR. PATTY DOES THAT IS BORDERLINE RACIST. IT DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE TO DISCUSSION. IT IS NOT CONTRIBUTE TO UNDERSTANDING. WELLS FARGO CREATED MILLIONS OF PHONY ACCOUNTS FOR CUSTOMERS THAT DID NOT KNOW THE ACCOUNTS WERE BEING COMMITTED IN THEIR NAME.ET'S NOT DO THIS AGAIN.

MR. PATTY WITHHELD DOCUMENTS THAT WANTED TO CHARGE ME MONEY APPARENTLY THIS IS AN ANNUAL REPORT AND I DID NOT EVEN GET A LINK. HE IS DISCOURTEOUS, CONTEMPTUOUS OF ACCESS UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF ARTICLE 1 SECTION 24 OF THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION.

THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE? SEEING THEN, WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 1.

>> A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORT?

ITEM 1? >> MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND ON ITEM NUMBER ONE TO ACCEPT THE REPORT.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK PFM FOR THAT REPORT.

[2 . Public Hearing * PUD 2021-09 Bacon Storage (Brinkoff Rd). Request to rezone approximately 4.9 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow for u p to 16,000 square feet of neighborhood commercial uses and a RV, boat, and mini storage facility, specifically located at 1535 Brinkoff Road. The Planning and Zoning Agency recommended denial with a vote of 6-0. ]

VERY CLEAR AND VERY COMPREHENSIVE.

RELATIVELY BRIEF. THANK YOU, STEVE.

WHERE DID HE GO? THANK YOU.

[LAUGHING] ITEM NUMBER TWO. I THINK THIS IS QUASIJUDICIAL.

IF WE HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION NOW IS THE TIME.

COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> I RECEIVED SOME EMAILS.

IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM NUMBER TWO.

I ALSO HAD A PHONE CALL ON JANUARY 13.

ABOUT 10:00 IN THE MORNING WITH JANIS FLEET.

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WE DISCUSSED WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE PROPERTY. A POSSIBLE COMPROMISE FROM THE APPLICANT THAT WE MAY BE HEARING TODAY.HAT IS ALL I

HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> I DID RECEIVE A NUMBER OF EMAILS IN OPPOSITION.

THEY OUTLINE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WALDRON CLAY.

>> HAD A COUPLE OF PHONE CALLS FROM MR. HOWARD.

HE WANTED ME TO, SPEAK OR LISTEN IN ON A GROUP MEETING THEY HAD. IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. BASICALLY A LOT OF IT IS ABOUT HOW PUD'S WORK. THEY STRESSED THEIR CONCERNS ON THE DEVELOPMENT I DID NOT REALLY GIVE ANY FEEDBACK ON MY THOUGHTS AT THE TIME. I HAVE TALKED A COUPLE OF TIMES TO JANIS FLEET.WE DID NOT REALLY DISCUSS THE PROJECT AT ALL. OTHER CONCERNS AT THE MEETING, BREAK OFF ROAD, TRAFFIC BEING A CUT THROUGH ROAD NOW.

THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WENT OUT AND HAD 16 TRAFFIC STOPS IN ONE DAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> I WOULD SAY I RECEIVED ABOUT 10 OR 12 EMAILS IN OPPOSITION. IF THOSE ARE ALL A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD, WITH THAT LET'S START ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.

IS THERE A PRESENTER OR THE APPLICANT?

YES MA'AM. >> I KNOW I SENT THE POWERPOINT, I AM JANIS FLEET, FLEET ASSOCIATES.1153 HIDDEN HARBOR WAY, JACKSONVILLE. I AM REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. MR. BACON IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. HE PURCHASED IT IN OCTOBER.

I AM THE AGENT IN FLEET ASSOCIATES AND MEDIAN ENGINEERING ARE WORKING ON THE PROJECT.

THE PROPERTY AS MENTIONED IS OFF OF - OF THE ROAD. IT IS 4.9 ACRES.

KIND OF INTERESTING. 4.9 ACRES OF PARCELS AND ST.

JOHNS COUNTY WITH NO WETLANDS ON IT.

KIND OF UNIQUE. IT IS BEEN USED PREVIOUSLY AND CURRENTLY AS A MOBILE HOME. THERE IS BEEN ONE OR TWO MOBILE HOMES. THERE IS STILL A MOBILE HOME ON THE PROPERTY. THAT IS BETWEEN STATE ROAD 207 AND WILDWOOD ROAD. THE OR ZONING, A LOT OF THINGS ARE ALLOWED IN THE OR ZONING ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.

YOU CAN HAVE AGRICULTURAL MANUFACTURING I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THAT MEANS. YOU CAN HAVE A FIRING RANGE.

YOU CAN HAVE AN OUTDOOR ARENA AND OUTDOOR EVENTS.

WHICH OBVIOUSLY COULD BE VERY LOUD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THESE ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE OR ZONING.

AS WELL AS THE MOBILE HOME ON THE PROPERTY.

WE ARE REQUESTING A PUD. THE PUD ORDINANCE IS LIMITED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE SITE PLAN.

THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION. ANY USES OR CHANGES WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK. IF IT IS A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE PUD WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

WITH ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA THERE IS A NEED.

THERE IS A NEED FOR THE RV STORAGE AND OTHER STORAGE.

MR. BACON HAS ONE OFF OF IT WILDWOOD.

IT IS ACTUALLY ON THE CORNER THERE OF PUD.

HE CANNOT EXPAND IT. WHAT IS NOT DEVELOPED IS WETLANDS. IT IS IN CONSERVATION.

IN THE TREATY X PUD I CANNOT NOT BE EXPANDED.

I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN. HE WOULD IF HE COULD.

HE CANNOT BECAUSE OF ENVIRONMENTAL REASONS.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FOR THE PROPERTY IS A RESIDENTIAL C. IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IN DESCRIBING RSC ZONING, LAND USE AND POLICY A1-11-1M IT

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DESCRIBES ALL OF THE USES YOU CAN DO IN RESIDENTIAL C. AND RESIDENTIAL ZONE C AND D DESIGNATION OF A NEIGHBORING AND RESIDENTIAL PURSUANT TO PUD.

THAT IS HOW WE WILL MOVE FORWARD.

IN THE RESIDENTIAL C YOU CAN GET SIX UNITS PER ACRE.

A DWELLING UNIT. ABOUT 30 DWELLING UNITS WOULD BE A LOUD. WHICH WE FEEL WOULD BE A HIGHER TRIP GENERATION. I WOULD PROBABLY BE HIGHER FOR THE IN AND OUT. RV AND BOAT STORAGE OR ANY STORAGE FACILITY PEOPLE, ONCE A WEEK OR LESS.

OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NOT AS MUCH TRAFFIC GENERATED.

SO, WE FEEL IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL AREA.

FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY MOST OF THE HOA'S HABIT DEED RESTRICTIONS IN THE PUD'S. YOU CANNOT HAVE AN RV OR A BOAT IN YOUR YARD. PEOPLE THINK THEY DOWNSIZE ENOUGH AND THEY FIND OUT THEY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR WHAT THEY NEED. SO, THEY END UP RENTING A MINISTORAGE OR SOME STORAGE FACILITY AS WELL AS PUTTING THEIR BOAT OR RV. WE ARE FLORIDA.

WE HAVE A LOT OF WATERWAYS AND PEOPLE LIKE TO USE THEIR BOATS.

HERE IS THE PLAN OF FORT COMING OFF OF IT BROKE OFF ROAD. WE THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING PEOPLE COMING FROM THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS.

CAN TAKE CARS, BIKES, WALK. THEY BRINKOFF TO COME TO THE FACILITY. [INAUDIBLE].

A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AREA WE ARE THINKING OF LOWERING COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES. IT IS LIMITED IN THE PUD.

RESTAURANTS, A PIZZA PLACE. INSURANCE OFFICE, THINGS LIKE THAT. IT IS OUTLINED IN THE PUD TEXT.

THE LOWER LEVEL COMMERCIAL UNIT.

THERE IS BUFFERS SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.

TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SURROUNDING AREAS.

WE ARE LOOKING AT TWO FIVE-YEAR PHASES FOR THE DEVELOPER.

PHASE 1 IS RV AND BOAT STORAGE. KARMA TIES THE BUILDINGS.

--ACCLIMATIZE THE BUILDING. PHASE 2 IS A 16 SQUARE-FOOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.UD LIMITS.

ALL ACCESS WOULD BE THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY REQUIREMENTS.

IMPROVED ACCESS TO THE SITE. CURRENTLY THE SITE ACCESS BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A MOBILE HOME FOR A LONG TIME DOES NOT MEET IT. PHASE 1 IS ACCESSED FOR THE RV AND BOAT STORAGE. NON-ACCLIMATIZE BUILDING WITH THE EXISTING MOBILE HOME TO REMAIN.

PHASE 2 THE MOBILE HOME WILL NOT BE ALLOWED ANYMORE.

THE ACCESS WILL BE MOVED TO MEET THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. NO WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY.

THERE IS A BUFFER SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.

STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS BEING PROVIDED WITH A LARGE STORMWATER PLAN ON THE PROPERTY.

WE FEEL WITH PUD, IT IS CONSISTENT.

IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THEY PROVIDE NEEDS AND SERVICES IN THE AREA.

WITH THE RV AND BOAT STORAGE FACILITY AS WELL AS OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TYPE UNITS.

MR. BACON OPENED HIS RV AND BOAT STORAGE -- IN JULY 2020.

IT IS ALREADY AT CAPACITY. AS I MENTIONED, HE CANNOT EXPAND. THAT IS WHEN HE STARTED LOOKING FOR OTHER LAND IN THE AREA. THE PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ARE HIS CLIENTS. THAT IS WHY HE REALLY WANTED TO FIND OTHER LAND THAT COULD SERVE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO WHERE HE IS. UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY IS THE WETLANDS BEHIND THIS EXISTING FACILITY.

BUFFERS WE FEEL WILL ALLOW COMPATIBILITY WITH NEIGHBORING COMMERCIAL. THE NEIGHBORING COMMERCIAL ZONE BRING GOLF ROAD. ALL LIGHTING MUST BE DESIGNED TO NOT SPILL OFF IN ADJACENT PROPERTY IT CANNOT GO OFF INTO

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ADJOINING PROPERTIES.

IT SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER OF THE AREA.

IT SHOULD BE A SMALL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL NOT CHANGE THE GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD AREA OF THE TREATY AREA.

ENTRANCES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE FAR FROM THIS PROPERTY.

ONE IS ABOUT 600 FEET TO THE WEST.

THE OTHER IS ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET.

THIS IS FROM EACH QUARTER OF THE PROPERTY.

WE HAVE A RETENTION AREA THAT DIVIDES IT.

YOU'VE ANOTHER VACANT PIECE THAT I WILL GO OVER IN A MINUTE. IN THE CURRENT OR ZONING ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.

DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT LOWER THE PROPERTY VALUES OF THE AREA.

THE PROPERTY ADJOINING MR. BACON'S STORAGE FACILITY WILDWOOD HAVE INCREASED SINCE HE HAS BEEN THERE.

HE HAS NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS. IT BACKS UP PRETTY CLOSE TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTS THAT WERE THERE IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

TO THE EAST OF THAT. THERE WAS A QUESTION AT THE PCA ABOUT MAJOR MODIFICATION 2021. THE STORAGE FACILITY ADJOINING HIS PROPERTY A CONCERN IT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A 10 ACRE STORAGE. SINCE THE TIME THAT APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED, WHICH WE KNEW WAS SUBMITTED.

WE DID NOT KNOW IT WAS OFFICIALLY MOVED FORWARD WITH PAYMENT. MR. BACON PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. KIND OF TO GIVE HIMSELF A BUFFER. WE HAVE SINCE ASKED THE COUNTY TO WITHDRAW THAT. I TALKED TO MR. JACOB SMITH ON FRIDAY. WITH THE STAFF HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE.

THAT DID NOT COME UP IN THE PCA.

WE WE HAVE TRIED TO COME UP WITH SOME CONCESSIONS IF THERE WERE ANY. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN RESPONSIVE TO ME. WE'VE TRIED TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS THEY HAVE NOT BEEN RESPONSIVE.

THE WHOLE IDEA WITH PUD PROCESS YOU CAN IMPROVE BUFFERS.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN DO ANY PUD.

IT CANNOT WORK ANYTHING OUT IF YOU DO NOT TALK TO PEOPLE.

THAT HAS BEEN A PERSONAL FRUSTRATION TO ME.

THAT IS SOMETHING I TRY TO DO AS A PLANNER.

BRINKOFF -- WILL HAVE MORE TRAFFIC.

THE PUD HAS LESS EFFECT ON THE ROADWAY.

IT ALLOWS CONNECTIVITY THROUGH BOTH ENTRANCES OF THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS INTO A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BRING WE HAVE APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONS AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT?LET'S GO TO PUBLIC

COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER TWO. >> I WANT TO MAKE A REQUEST OF THOSE THAT WILL COME UP AND MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT.

FOR ME, AS A COMMISSIONER APPEAR WE HAVE A PIECE OF LAND HERE THAT IS OR. SURROUNDED BY PUD'S.

WHETHER IT IS TODAY, FIVE YEARS OR 20 YEARS FROM NOW THIS WILL LIKELY BECOME A PUD WHEN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAS A ZONE.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR INCORPORATED INTO PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND, WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE GO ON THIS FIVE ACRE PIECE OF LAND THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN HELPING ME MAKE A DECISION TODAY. WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP

FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, CAN I SAY ONE THING? WE DID IN THE PUD ASK FOR A WAIVER FOR THE BUFFER. ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY INSTEAD OF 20 FEET. IF I REMEMBER.

WE FELT THAT YOU HAD THE TWO 10 FOOT BUFFERS.

10 FOOT ON OUR PROPERTY AND 10 FOOT ON A NETHER.OW THAT MR. BACON OWNS THE NEXT PROPERTY THAT PROPERTY IS EVEN MORE OF A REASON HE WOULD WANT TO PROTECT HIS INVESTMENT WITH WHAT HE DOES IN THE FUTURE WITHOUT PROPERTY.

I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. >> THANK YOU.

YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY I BELIEVE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.

IF YOU WISH TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT APPROACH THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

ANYBODY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE CAN HAVE LINES AT BOTH

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PODIUMS THAT WAY WE CAN MOVE FROM ONE TO THE NEXT AND WE CAN TAKE TURNS. FEEL FREE TO MAKE A LINE.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> MY NAME IS DENNIS SHEPPARD I RESIDE AT 312 ON PLANTATION DRIVE. ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD I HAVE SAT ON IT FOR A TERM.

--TWO TERMS. I CURRENTLY ROTATED OFF OF THE CONTRACTING BOARD. I HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS COUNTY. I HAVE GIVEN TO THIS COUNTY.

RIGHT NOW I AM GOING TO GIVE MY OPINION ON THIS PROJECT.

THE STORAGE OF THIS NATURE I BELIEVE IS A GOOD FIT.

WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF HOUSES BEING BUILT.

THEY NEED PLACES TO PUT THEIR TOYS.

I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS DEED RESTRICTED.YOU CANNOT PUT YOUR BOAT OR RV OUT IN THE STREET OR ON YOUR DRIVEWAY.

SO, PEOPLE NEEDED THESE FACILITIES.

MR. BACON HAS THE INTEREST OF THIS COUNTY AND THE HOMEOWNERS FIRST IN MIND WITH THIS. THE LAND AND AT THE AREA AND DISCUSSION TODAY WAS VACANT FOR QUITE A WHILE EXCEPT FOR THE MOBILE HOMES. OLD DIRT ROAD THAT PEOPLE DUMP TRASH ON. NOW IT IS A NICE LOOKING FACILITY. I CHALLENGE YOU TO GO THERE AND LOOK AT THE NICE EVENTS AND STEP HE HAS UP THERE IF YOU HAVE NOT. IT WOULD BLOCK 80 OR 90 PERCENT OF THIS FACILITY. HE DOES A TOP-NOTCH JOB.

THIS PROPERTY WILL OBVIOUSLY INCREASE IN VALUE AND TAX BASE.

HE IS HAVING TO PAY FOR IT JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

WE ARE BUILDING SO MANY HOUSES HERE ONE AFTER ANOTHER.

WE ARE NOT BUILDING THINGS FOR THESE HOUSES TO STORE THEIR FACILITIES. A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS YOU CANNOT BUILD SHEDS. THESE STORAGE FACILITIES I KNOW THEY RUN RAMPANT IN SOME AREAS. THIS TYPE OF A STORAGE FACILITY IS UNIQUE. IT FITS RIGHT INTO THE NATURE.

MR. BACON HAS PLANS FOR SOME UNIQUE THINGS ON HIS PROPERTY THAT FIT WETLANDS AND THE AREA. I AM PERSONALLY GLAD TO SEE THIS AREA BUILD UP A LITTLE BIT.

INSTEAD OF JUST A DEAD END DIRT ROAD WITH TRASH ON IT, THEY BUILT A LOT OF HOUSES AROUND IT.

I BELIEVE A SMALL FEE WOULD BE AGAINST IT.

I LIVE AROUND THE CORNER AND GOVERNORS PLANTATION.

I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE IN MY FACILITY THAT USE THAT FACILITY. THE REASON IS, WE CANNOT PUT RVS AND BOATS IN THE DRIVEWAYS. WERE IN THE STREETS.

YOU CANNOT DO IT. I FEEL MR. BACON HAS THE AREA'S BEST INTEREST IN HIS MIND. HE HAS REACHED OUT TO THE HOMEOWNERS AROUND THERE. TRYING TO COME TO SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT IF THEY CAN. I BELIEVE IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY TO APPROVE THIS FACILITY.

I ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS FACILITY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR

TIME. >> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD PLEASE PRAY. >> MY NAME IS RON HOWARD.

I LIVE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. I AM A RESIDENT OF TREATY OAKS.

WE ARE REQUESTING OUR BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS VOTE TO CONFIRM THE PLANNING ZONE AGENCIES .

TO DENY THIS REQUEST. WE FEEL THIS PROJECT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING RESIDENCIES.WHEN I SAY WE, I REFER TO ALMOST 130 SIGNATURES ON THIS.

OPPOSING THIS APPLICATION. THE NUMEROUS EMAILS THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT AS WELL.

WE ARE REPRESENTING TREATY OAKS THREE NEIGHBORHOODS.

TREATY OAKS, ON CLIVE AND.

THESE REPRESENT ABOUT 600 HOMES.

THIS APPLICATION PROPOSES TO CHANGE THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AND OR RECENTLY ACQUIRED PROPERTY TO COMMERCIAL USE.

IT WILL INCLUDE ABOUT 16,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL USE.

THREE AND HALF ACRES OF RV AND BOAT STORAGE.

BRINKOFF AS A DEVELOPER CONSTRUCTED ROAD.

BACON PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED, CONSTRUCTED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THREE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND TREATY PART. --PARK. WHICH IS WONDERFUL THAT

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WAS CONSTRUCTED AND APPROVED BY THIS BOARD.

FOR THE REFERENCE KE TO SHOW SO. CAN THOSE BE PULLED UP? THERE WE GO. AND YOU.

--THANK YOU. IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT THERE IS RETENTION. THEY HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AROUND THE RETENTION POD. THIS IS THE PROPERTY AND THIS IS BACON STORAGE. YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT WORKING AS WELL. WE BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONSTRUCTION WORK AND SOME WORK RELATIVE TO THE TREE CLEARING AND THINGS LIKE THAT ALREADY. NEXT PICTURE.

THIS SHOWS YOU WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE.

THIS IS PROBABLY ABOUT 12 MONTHS AGO.

THIS IS FROM GOOGLE EARTH. 1535 BRINKOFF ROAD.

EXCELLENT PLEASE. THERE IS THE RETENTION POD I WAS TALKING ABOUT.THERE IS THE MOBILE HOME THAT HAS BEEN

ON THE PROPERTY SINCE DAY ONE. >> YES, THAT IS THREE MINUTES.

EVERYBODY HAS TO HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> TIMOTHY POMPOUS 36 COURT SAINT AUGUSTINE 40.

32086. AIM A RETIRED PARAMEDIC FIREFIGHTER. FIRE CHIEF, FIRE MARSHAL AND WITH OVER 27 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE.

I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON THE FOLLOWING THAT I HAD TO POSSESS THE FOLLOWING QUALIFICATIONS A BACKGROUND IN WRITING AND AUTHORING MUNICIPAL COURT OF ORDINANCES OVER 14 YEARS.

I HAVE 14 YEARS EXPERIENCE WORKING AS AN EXECUTIVE STAFF MEMBER OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW BOARD COMMISSION.

FOR THE TOWN OF PALM BEACH. ONE OF THE WEALTHIEST COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE AND THE WORLD.

I AM VERY WELL-VERSED AN EXPERIENCE OF AUDITORY SOFTWARE AS IT RELATES TO ACCESS OF LARGE, PUBLIC, AND COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN LOCAL AREA DEVELOPMENTS.

I AM A CERTIFIED FLORIDA DRIVER OPERATIONS ENGINEER.

I URGE YOU TODAY, AS A BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO VOTE NO FURTHER BACON STORAGE APPLICATION.

TO MITIGATE AND REDUCE ANY FUTURE LIABILITIES.

AND, LITIGATION AS IT RELATES TO THE CHANGE OF THE USE OF THE ORIGINAL PUD OF TREATY OAKS. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE USE OF --I REQUEST TO CHANGE THE USE OF LAND DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED THROUGH OUR VERY PROFESSIONAL AND WELL RESPECTED AND WELL ESTABLISHED PLANNING AND ZONING AND BUILDING REVIEW BOARD. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE ONE.

WE PAY MONEY FOR THIS. AS TAXPAYERS WE SHOULD UTILIZE OUR STAFF MEMBERS. LET'S GET THE MAXIMUM BANG FOR OUR BUCK. LET'S MAKE SURE WE HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY AS THE NUMBER ONE GOAL. THAT IS EVERYBODY'S GOAL HERE, PUBLIC SAFETY. THEY VOTED ON DECEMBER 2, OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. 6 TO 0, NO.

I WOULD VOICE THEIR CONCERNS WHATEVER WE BUILD ON THESE BACON LOTS SHOULD HAVE A VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY.

WE NOW HAVE AN ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY.

THREE NEW HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS THAT ARE BEING ESTABLISHED. OURS IS BEING ESTABLISHED IN MARCH. TREATY OAKS.

ORCHARD PARK WILL BE ESTABLISHED SHORTLY AFTER.

WE ALSO HAVE VOLUSIA. IN CLOSING, I URGE THAT WE HAVE OUR LOCAL RESIDENTS ALONG WITH OUR PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF HAVING SYNERGISTIC VOICE. WHERE WE CAN PUT INTO THIS PROPERTY SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE CHARACTER AND ORIGINAL PUD OF TREATY OAKS. THAT IS MY CONCERN.

LET'S NOT FORGET WHAT HAPPENED JUST LAST WEEK.WE HAD A MIXED USE ON HOMES OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

WE HAD AN EXPLOSION. >> THANK YOU.

>> I AM CONCERNED ABOUT EVERYBODY SAFETY IN OUR

COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? YOU MAY APPROACH THE PODIUM.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

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RECORD. >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS PHILIP I LIVE AT 286 MUSTARD HILL COURT. THAT IS IN ORCHARD PARK.

MY WIFE AND I RECENTLY MOVED TO FLORIDA FROM SOUTH CAROLINA.

WE PURCHASED OUR RETIREMENT TOWNHOME IN ORCHARD PARK.

FOR US, IT WAS QUITE EXPENSIVE. IT WAS A VERY BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. ONE OF THE REASONS WE BOTHER IS BECAUSE OF THE BEAUTY AND PROPERTY AROUND IT.

BRINKOFF IT IS VERY WELL MAINTAINED AND BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT. MY NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR IS ALSO WITH ME WE ALSO HAVE OUR PATIOS FACING BACON STORAGE.

PART OF WHAT IS SO BEAUTIFUL BACK THERE IS THE MATURE TREES.

SOME ARE MAYBE 200 YEARS OLD. THEY DRAW AND A LOT OF LIFE, WE HAVE A DEER. PWE HAVE HOCKS AND I HAVE EVEN SEEN EAGLES. IT IS VERY PRETTY AND PRISTINE, QUIET. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING RV AND BOAT STORAGE, THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN BLOCK THAT VISIBILITY. IT WILL HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON EVALUATION OF OUR EXPENSIVE TOWNHOMES.

AND, THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENTS AROUND IT.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE DO FEEL SOMETHING OF CONTINUING THE DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA IS MORE APPROPRIATE.

MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY THE WHOLE PROPERTY LOOKS AROUND IT. IT IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL AREA.

I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT WE RETAIN RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> I AGREE. [INAUDIBLE].

PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO THE PEACEFUL AND QUIETNESS OF THEIR HOME. REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY.

THESE STORAGE UNITS ARE EVERYWHERE AND THEY ARE MUSHROOMING. THE ONLY REASON ANYONE GAVE HER HAVING STORAGE UNITS AND SUCH APPROVED EVOLUTION WITH SOME OF THE HOA'S HAVE REGULATIONS. I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE OUGHT TO REGULATE ALL HOA'S AND TELL THEM WHEN THEY CAN AND CANNOT TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

THAT IS A QUESTION OF PROPERTY RIGHTS.

I WAS IN A CHURCH DISCUSSION GROUP LAST NIGHT ONLINE.

PONE OF THE LADY SAID HER HOA WHERE SHE LIVES, CONDOS, WOULD NOT LET THEM HAVE WIND CHIMES. NOW THAT, IS EXCESSIVE REGULATION BY A CORPORATION. KATHY BROWN SAYS PUD'S ARE A SNEAKY WAY OF GETTING AROUND AND ZONING.

WE HAVE NOT HEARD ARTICULATED BY THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THIS PUD, WHY IT SHOULD BE A PUD. THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST QUESTION YOU SHOULD ASK WHEN IT COMES BACK TO YOU.

I WOULD POINT OUT, THIS IS YET ANOTHER CASE WHERE AN APPLICANT IS REPRESENTED BY A CORPORATION THAT IS A GOVERNMENT CONTRACTOR. JANIS FLEET DID WORK FOR THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH ON ITS COMBO PLAN AND YOUR DISSIPATION. NOT VERY GOOD WORK.

WE HAD YET ANOTHER CONTRACT OF INTEREST OF IMPROPRIETY WORK.

CAN'T THEY JUST PICK A SIDE? THESE ENGINEERING FIRMS AND DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANTS. IF THEY WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT THEY NEED TO WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT.THEY SHOULD NOT BE USING THAT FOR LEVERAGE TO GET WORK TO REPRESENT PEOPLE BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT. IT IS UNSEEMLY.

I DO NOT THINK THERE HAS BEEN ANY CASE AS TO WHY THIS SHOULD BE A PUD OR SHOULD BE CHANGED FROM RESIDENTIAL.

--OPEN OR. THE FACT THAT OUR PCA VOTED 6 TO 0 AGAINST THIS PROJECT. THAT DEBILITATE IN FAVOR OF DENYING IT. SHOWING COMMON COURTESY FOR OUR PZA FOUR VOLUNTEERS AND WORK HARD.

THEY SPENT MANY HOURS IN THIS ROOM MORE THAN YOU ALL THEN MANY CASES. IF THE PCA SAYS NO SHE HAS A BURDEN OF PROOF SHE HAS NOT MET TO SURROUND THAT RECOMMENDATION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PHOTOGRAPHS OF WHAT THESE STORAGE UNITS WILL LOOK LIKE.

WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PHOTOGRAPHS OF WHT THE PSURROUNDING AREA WILL LOOK LIKE.

WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY GETTING, SOME OF YOU GET CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS THAT NEEDS TO STOP WE GET NOTHING.

ALSO, MISLEADING ARGUMENTS AND YOU HEARD SEVERAL.

THE NEIGHBORS ARE AGAINST IT, I THINK EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO WROTE SAID THEY ARE AGAINST IT. PZA UNANIMOUSLY SAID TO DO NO.

I AGREE WITH PZA AND THE NEIGHBORS.

PLEASE VOTE THIS NO. >> THANK YOU.

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ANYONE ELSE FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO? YES MA'AM.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> DONNA KAREN IN ORCHARD PARK.

I HAVE LITERATURE ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS NOW.

I LIVE IN PINELLAS COUNTY IN FLORIDA.

COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL. BUILDING EVERYWHERE.

I GOT A NICE LITTLE POCKET OF FLORIDA WITH ALL OF THE NATURE.

NICE PEOPLE LOOKING OUT FOR EACH OTHER.

A BEAUTIFUL AREA. FINALLY A PLACE WHERE I COULD LAND. THE THOUGHT OF THAT UNIT BEING THERE ABSOLUTELY APPALLS ME. HE TOOK DOWN A TON OF TREES ALREADY IS NOT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.

THE BACKSIDE OF MY BUILDING HE SAID THERE'S NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.HIS LIGHT IS IN MY BEDROOM EVERY NIGHT.

IN FACT, HE MUST HAVE CHANGED THE BULBS.

IT WAS EXTREMELY BRIGHT THIS WEEK.

IT IS NOT A GOOD FIT, AT ALL. WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER STORAGE UNIT. THERE IS 25 UNITS ON THE CITY ON 16 THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE OF THEM IN THE RECREATIONAL.

THEY ALL HAVE OPENINGS. I FEEL BAD FOR PEOPLE BUT THEY KNEW WHEN THEY SIGNED THE LEASE THEY COULD NOT HAVE A BOAT ON THE PROPERTY. THAT IS IN THEIR BUCKET, NOT MINE. I BOUGHT HERE BECAUSE OF THE QUIETNESS, LEANNESS AND THE NATURE.

I PLEASE ASK YOU NOT TO OKAY THIS.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. >> BJ CLAY WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. THIS SUPPORT SHOULD UPHOLD THE PZA DENIAL. IT IS ABOUT COMPATIBILITY AND SAFETY. I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERY TIME NEIGHBORHOODS OR RESIDENTS COME IN.

WHENEVER THESE APPEALS WERE THESE REQUESTS ARE MADE.

THEY HAVE THEIR THREE MINUTES TO TALK.

THIS IS WHY THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP IS SO VERY IMPORTANT. THESE APPEALS AND CHANGES ARE UNCHANGING THE ENVIRONMENT. IT IS CHANGING BRADY'S RESIDENTS LIVE. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LIVE AROUND THIS WHEN YOU OKAY SOME OF THESE THINGS.

I AGREE, WE HAVE A PZA DATA 620 VOTE.

-- 6-0 VOTE. HOPEFULLY VOTE TO DENY THIS

REQUEST. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO? SEEING THAT WE ARE CLOSING THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE ARE BRINGING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

SORRY, TO THE APPLICANT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO OFFER ANY COMMENTS THEN WE WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> CAN MR. BACON SAY SOMETHING AS THE OWNER? CAN HE ADDED TO MY RESPONSE? MR. BACON?

MY CLIENT? >> SURE.

>> THIS PARCEL IS A NOT A PART OF THE TREATY OAKS PUD.

I THINK YOU KNOW THAT. WE WORK TO DO ALL OF THE ISSUES WITH STAFF. IF THERE WERE ISSUES UP TO NOW WE HAVE ADDRESSED THEM. IN THE PZA MEETING WE DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS ANY OPPOSITION UNTIL THE DAY OF THE MEETING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. THAT IS PUBLIC RECORD.

PZA WAS KIND OF CONFUSING. I REMEMBER ONE OF THE AGENCY MEMBERS SAYING THIS IS A TOUGH ONE.

BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL OF THE EXPANSION.

WE CLEARED UP THAT CONTROVERSY. I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW IT WAS NOT LIKE --THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY PUBLIC, AND OPPOSITION.

WE DID NOT FEEL A LOT OF OPPOSITION IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.

THERE WERE KIND OF TORN EITHER WAY.

I THINK THE CONFUSION OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY ADDED TO IT.

THAT IS MY FEELING. THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE 600 HOMES AND THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE IN THE AREA, SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. YES, THERE IS A PETITION BUT PEOPLE GO AROUND AND HAVE THE TIME THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY

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ARE SAYING. MR. BACON HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING THAT HE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO DO IN OR.

KNOWING THAT THIS APPLICATION IS MOVING FORWARD HE DID PUT A FENCE UP THAT THE COUNTY APPROVED.

HE KNOWS WE HAVE A TREE MITIGATION.

THE REASON IT IS LAID OUT IS LIKE THE OPEN SPACE IS TO PROTECT THE TREES. WE DID A TREE SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY. WE ARE PROTECTING TREES AS WELL AS ON THE SIDE. THE LAYOUT IS FOR THE RETENTION AS WELL AS FOR THE LAYOUT OF THE BUILDING.

THAT IS TO PROTECT THE TREES ON THE PROPERTY.

MR. BACON HAS A FEW WORDS TO SAY AS WELL.

>> JIM BACON 55 FARRELL ROAD. SAINT AUGUSTINE.

WE BUILT THE STORAGE OF 1700 WILDWOOD DRIVE, WHAT A SUCCESS.

WE HAD 260 CUSTOMERS. I WOULD SAY THEY ARE ALL WITHIN A FIVE-MILE RADIUS. THAT SHOULD BE TO 60 YAY FOR THE EXPANSION OF BACON STORAGE. --260 AS A VOTE OF YAY.

WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SERIES, GROWTH THROUGH ENGINEERING, HIRING A LAND PLANNER. WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMITTING, ENVIRONMENTAL. ARCHAEOLOGICAL.

PHASE 1, ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY FROM THE BANK.

AN APPRAISAL FROM THE BANK $4500.

SO, TO DATE, NOT INCLUDING THE COST OF $410,000 TO PURCHASE JUST THE FIVE ACRES ALSO ANOTHER $150,000 THE DEVELOPER HAS TO COME UP WITH ON THE PRE-COST ON HOW THE SYSTEM IS SET UP. THEN WE COME TO YOU AND SAY WE WANT TO DO THIS AND WE GET TURNED DOWN.

WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM? OUT OF MY POCKET. WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD PLAN. BASED ON SOME EXPERIENCES WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE REZONING OF THE WILDWOOD DRIVE PERSONAL THAT WAS MULTI FAMILY. 1700 WILDWOOD DRIVE 2019.

KAREN TAYLOR HANDLED THAT. WE GOT IS ZONED COMMERCIAL.

WE HAD TO GO UP WITH HIGH FENCES.

75 PERCENT. WE DECIDED TO PUT THE BUILDINGS AROUND THE OUTSIDE SO PEOPLE COULD NOT SEE INSIDE.

WITH THIS DESIGN WE HAVE A COVERED BOAT AND RV THREE SIDED BUILDINGS ALONG TWO SIDES OF THE PARCEL WHICH CUT OUT ALL OF THE NOISE. THEY CUT OUT ALL OF THE LIGHT THAT MAY BE GENERATED FROM THIS.

CURRENTLY AT THE 1700 LOCATION I OWN 10 TOWNHOMES NEXT DOOR.

I BOUGHT THOSE TOWNHOMES FOR LESS THAN $65,000 A YEAR BECAUSE OF THE DEPRESSION THAT HIT IN 2008.

I DEVELOPED THE STORAGE. NOW, I JUST WENT UNDER CONTRACT FOR ONE OF THOSE TOWNHOMES. $192,900.

PHASE 2 THEY BUILT 17 SINGLE-FAMILY LOT HOMES AND THREE OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE MY CUSTOMERS.

THERE HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF RESALE SINCE THOSE PEOPLE BUILT. ONE OF THEM IS BECAUSE THERE IS STORAGE NEXT DOOR, THE CONVENIENCE.

PUBLICS AT THE OTHER END OF THE STREET.

PEOPLE BOUGHT THOSE UNITS FOR $275,000.

THERE HAS BEEN RECENT SALES IN THEIR OF OVER $345,000 AND JUST ONE YEAR'S TIME. SINCE I COMPLETED THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STORAGE. AND LAST, PUBLIC SAFETY I HAVE ONE LIGHT ON AT THE INTEREST OF MY FACILITY.

A 31,000 CANDLE POWERED LED LIGHT.

I HAVE SCONCES ON ALL OF THE BUILDINGS.

THE OTHER PARKING LOT LIGHTS ARE SET UP ON MOTION SENSORS.

YOU GET WITHIN A 40 FEET THE LIGHT WILL POP ON AND STAY ON FOR ABOUT FIVE MINUTES THEN GOES OFF.

BECAUSE OF THAT, THE NEIGHBORS WHO I HAVE BEEN AT MOULTRIE WAS A NEXT-DOOR SINCE 2012 AND I KNOW EVERYONE.

THEY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE LIGHT IN THE AREA.

HARRY PRICE, TO MY NORTH IS NOW IN A NURSING HOME.

HE LIKED THE FACT THAT I HAD LIGHT.

WILDWOOD DRIVE HAS NO STREETLIGHTS.

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SO, THERE IS A BENEFIT TO HAVING THE LIGHTS UP.ALSO, TREATY PARK AS THE BASEBALL FIELD.

LIGHTS THAT ARE TWICE AS HIGH AND BRIGHT AS MINE.T IS BRIGHT. THE NOISE FROM A BALLGAME HAS MORE AND MORE PEOPLE AROUND, THEY ARE GOING TO BE USING TREATY PARK. I'VE BEEN THROUGH TREATY PARK AND THERE IS NO PARKING, ZERO. THAT CAN FILL UP WITH JUST TWO BOWL GAMES GOING ON. SO, IF I CANNOT DO THIS I AM OUT SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WHICH IS THE RISK OF A DEVELOPER. THE PARCEL NEXT-DOOR IS OWNED MULTI FAMILY. I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE CALLING TO SEE IF WE CAN BUILD A MULTI FAMILY.

HALF OF IT IS OWNED AND WE WILL HAVE TO GO BACK BEFORE THE BORDER TO SEE IF WE CAN ZONE THIS PARCEL MULTI FAMILY.

TO MAYBE BUILD SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHICH IS DESPERATELY NEEDED IN THIS COUNTY. IF THAT CANNOT HAPPEN BECAUSE I KNOW THAT A PARCEL GOT TURNED DOWN BY WILDWOOD DRIVE BY PLANNING INTO ZONING. THEY GOT TURNED DOWN.

WE ARE THINKING THE BOARD WOULD LEAN COMMERCIAL SO I'M GOING TO GO COMMERCIAL AND EXPANDED THE STORAGE.

NOW, I GET TURNED DOWN. WHAT DO I DO? I WOULD OFFER IT TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND SAY WHY DON'T YOU GUYS BUY OUT THE 10 ACRES AND TURN IT INTO A PARK? BECAUSE, TREATY PARK DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.

THE PEOPLE WANT A PARK. I ALREADY HAVE THE STORM WATER PERMIT THROUGH WATER MANAGEMENT FOR THIS PARCEL.

AS LONG AS I KNOW THERE IS NO OTHER SELF STORAGE COMING IN TREATY PARK, THAT WAS THE PROBLEM.

DON SUTTON OWNED THE PARCEL NEXT ME IT WAS GOING TO BUILD AND RV STORAGE. I SAID, I WILL BUY YOU OUT AND YOU AND OFFER YOU CANNOT REFUSE.

THE MARKET IS DRAGGING DOWN. YOU GUYS, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IS APPROVING BOAT AND RV STORAGE EVERYWHERE.

SO, THE MARKET IS SLOWLY COMING FROM $155 A MONTH DOWN TO $75 A MONTH. THEN NOBODY IS GOING TO MAKE MONEY AND YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF THESE BOAT AND RV STORAGE PLACES ULTIMATELY BEING CONVERTED INTO COMMERCIAL OF SOME SORT.THAT IS JUST THE WAY THAT IT WORKS.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I GUESS ABOUT IN MY FAVOR. WILL CONTINUE TO RUN A GOOD BUSINESS.

I WILL TRY TO BE A GOOD STEWARD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

LIKE I SAID, 260 CUSTOMERS HAVE ALREADY --CANNOT WAIT FOR ME TO BUILD THE STORAGE. THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT.

COVERAGE IS STORAGE. THOSE ARE GAY VOTES IN MY BOOK.

--THOSE ARE YAY BOTH IN MY BOOK.

>> BACK TO THE BOARD DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

[INAUDIBLE]. >> MISS FLEET WHEN YOU GOT A 6 TO 0 DENIAL BY PZA, DID YOU MAKE CHANGES?

>> WE TALKED TO THE PLANNING STAFF.

IS IT REMOVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL?THAT WAS WHY MY HOPE WAS TO GET WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

TO FIND OUT WHAT CHANGES THAT I COULD MAKE.

THAT WAY I COULD GET MORE SUPPORT.

THAT IS WHY I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THEM NUMEROUS TIMES.

IS IT INCREASED BUFFERS? WHAT IS ON THE SITE THAT YOU DO NOT LIKE? RV BOAT STORAGE? COVERAGE IS STORAGE? NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL CLAY IT IS KIND OF HARD. -- IF THEY ARE JUST SAYING NO WAY THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO. WE ARE WILLING TO DO ANYTHING, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW STANDARDS? ANYTHING WITHIN REASON.

THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO.

WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY CONCESSIONS THAT WE CAN TO GENERALLY KEEP OUR CONCEPT. LIKE I SAID, WE FELT THAT SOME OF IT WAS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL IS THAT WHAT THEY WANT REMOVED? INCREASED BUFFERS.

WE ARE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE. WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE

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ARE STARTING FROM. BEFORE ME, FOR YOU OR SUBMIT TO THE COUNTY WE SUBMIT A PLAN. THERE'S A LOT OF REITERATIONS WITHIN THIS TEAM. OUR CLIENTS DO NOT ALWAYS AGREE WITH HOW WE REITERATE. SO, WE WORK HARD IN TRYING TO

PROTECT TREES AND PROVIDE THE BUFFERS.>> THE SQUARE AREA OF THE NON-ACCLIMATIZED BUILDINGS THERE.

THAT IS LAID OUT IN SUCH A WAY INSTEAD OF THE NICE NEAT AROSE.

THERE IS A GROUPING OF A MATURE OAKS.

ONE OF THE TREES, A 200 YEAR OLD OAK TREE.

THAT IS ON THE END OF ONE OF THE VERTICAL BUILDINGS.

I WOULD NOT SACRIFICE THAT MANY BOAT AND RV PARKING SPOTS.

I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAVE ABOUT 20 TREES THAT DO NOT SHOW UP ON

THE DRAWING. >> I THINK THE AERIAL IS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. THAT IS AN EXAMPLE.

WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION. BETWEEN THE DESIGN TEAM.

WE SAID YOU NEED TO KEEP THOSE. THAT IS THE THING, WE ARE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE. THAT IS THE PUD PROCESS.IT IS HARD TO NEGOTIATE WHEN PEOPLE DO NOT RESPOND TO YOUR PHONE

CALLS OR EMAILS. >> LIVE A 6 TO 0 PZA DENIAL WITH NO CHANGES. YOU ARE ROLLING THE DICE TO US.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO SEND IT BACK AND HAVE YOU ALL WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH THEM. THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS TO THIS. WE TALK A LOT ABOUT RV AND BOAT STORAGE BUT WE LEFT OUT A LOT ABOUT --. THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THE PUD THAT I DO NOT AGREE WITH.

I DO NOT AGREE THAT THAT NEEDS TO GO TO PZA.

THAT OTHER PIECE OF LAND, HE MAY NOT OWN IT.THAT IS MY CONCERN. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU WORK IT OUT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SOMETHING LIKE COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST SAID. THERE WAS SOME UNDERSTANDING IN THAT MEETING THERE WAS SOME MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT PUD DOES. YOU CANNOT CONTRACT IT TO CERTAIN THINGS. WHICH WOULD BE IMPORTANT.

IT COULD BE IMPORTANT. THAT IS IT FOR YOU TO WORK OUT WITH THEM. WE CAN DO WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO

DO AS A BOARD. >> I DO NOT THINK WE HAVE A

PROBLEM WITH THAT. >> WE TRIED REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS. WE GOT A ZERO RESPONSE.

WHAT DO WE DO NOW? TIME IS MONEY, OF COURSE.

>> WE WOULD MUCH RATHER TRY TO WORK SOMETHING OUT AND GET A DENIAL. WE ARE WILLING TO DO WHAT YOU

WANT, COMMISSIONER. >> MR. CHAIRMAN CAN WE ASK IF THEY ARE WILLING TO MEET WITH THEM?

>> SURE. >> THEY HAVE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO US. HOWEVER, IN THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME FROM THE MEETING WITH THE PZA WITH THE UNANIMOUS VOTE, WE FELT LIKE THERE WOULD BE INSUFFICIENT CHANGES MADE IN THE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. IF THE PZA DENIES IT AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SUPPORTS THAT BOAT, THEY HAVE 12 MONTHS.

THEY CAN COME AND WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

THEY CAN WORK OUT SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY TO BE AN AGREEMENT.

WE ARE WILLING TO DO THAT. THIS PUD HAS NO CHANGES WHATSOEVER. ADDITIONALLY MR. BACON ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY. ALL 600 HOMEOWNERS HAD THAT

SAME RISK. >> THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO

KNOW. >> WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU. RIGHT NOW, 12 MONTHS THAT HE CAN COME BACK AND WORK WITH US. THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS ARE MATURING. WE ARE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND WORK WITH THEM ALL DAY. THIS PUD IS BEING REVISED.

WE ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS DECISION.

INKY. --THANK YOU.

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>> I WOULD LIKE TO VOICE ONE OPINION.

WE ARE ESTABLISHING THREE NEW HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY I THINK HAVING THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION HAVING A COLLECTIVE THOUGHT OF ALL OF OUR HOMEOWNERS.

HAVING THEM COME TO A VOTE. A UNITED VOICE.

662 VOICES, WE COULD HAVE VOICES OF THREE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION PRESIDENTS. THEN WE CAN COLLECTIVELY WORK TOGETHER AND PUT SOMETHING THAT MR. BACON COULD BE PROUD OF.

MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR HIM. I WOULD BE WILLING TO VOLUNTEER OR AT LEAST PROVIDE ASSISTANCE IF NECESSARY TO PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE SAFE, AESTHETIC, AND MEETS THE CRITERIA OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL PUD OF A TREATY OAKS SITE PLAN WAS. IT IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

SURROUNDED BY SMALL, YOUNG, UP AND COMING FAMILIES.

>> I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU ALL ARE WILLING TO MEET.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

>> THIS PARCEL IS NOT A PART OF THE TREATY.

NEXT DOOR THE OTHER FIVE ACRE PARCEL NEXT DOOR IS.

THIS IS NOT. FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY STAYED

OUT OF IT. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THE PZA WASN'T REQUIRED.

OTHER THAN THAT WAS THERE AN EFFORT TO MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS OR HOLD A PUBLIC MEETING? ADVERTISE? GET EVERYONE TOGETHER? WAS THERE EVER AN EFFORT TO DO A PUBLIC MEETING?

>> LOOKING BACK I WISH WE HAVE DONE THAT EARLIER.

WE WERE NOT GETTING ANY OPPOSITION UP UNTIL EVEN AFTER WHEN IT WAS ADVERTISED IN NOVEMBER, UNTIL THE DAY OF THE PZA MEETING. IF WE WOULD HAVE HAD ANY INDICATION THAT THERE WAS OPPOSITION BEFORE THE DATE OF THE MEETING WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE ASKED TO BE DEFERRED.

I WAS HOPING BECAUSE OF THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY, WE WENT FROM DECEMBER 2 TO JANUARY 18, I WAS HOPING TO MEET WITH THOSE PEOPLE. TO DENY IT AND THEN HAVE US -- I WOULD MUCH RATHER TRY TO MEET WITH THEM IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS A LONG TIME IT DOES NOT TAKE A LONG TIME TO MAKE CONCESSIONS.

I CANNOT STAND HERE AND SAY WE WILL AGREE.

I AM WILLING TO LISTEN. I AM WILLING TO SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO AGREE WITH.

WE FIND OUT THEIR CONCERNS AND COME UP WITH THE REVISIONS.

THEN WE WILL SUBMIT IT BACK. THAT DOES NOT TAKE VERY LONG.

>> WHEN WAS THE PZA MEETING? >> DECEMBER 2.

>> IN THE INTERIM, I UNDERSTAND THE HOLIDAYS.WAS THERE ANY EFFORT TO REACH OUT TO COORDINATE A MEETING WITH

THE RESIDENTS? >> I EMAILED AND CALLED HER.

>> YOU ASKED FOR A PUBLIC MEETING?

>> I TALKED TO COMMISSIONER AND TERESA BISHOP.

I TALKED TO COUNCILMAN WALDRON. I DID EVERY EFFORT.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

IN THE INTERIM YOU TRIED TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC MEETING WITH

THE RESIDENTS? >> YES I REACHED OUT AND CALLED. I HAD TROUBLE.

>> I AM SEEING A LOT OF HEAD NODDING.

>> I HAVE AN EMAIL CONFIRMATION IT IS PUBLIC RECORD BECAUSE THERE IS A COPY OF IT TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

THE DAY OF THE HEARING IS WHEN I GOT OPPOSITION.

OBVIOUSLY THAT DAY I COULD NOT DO ANYTHING.

>> SURE. >> THE EMAILS I HAD, I REACHED OUT. I SAID CAN WE MEET WITH THE

FOLLOWING CONCERNS? >> WHO WAS NOT SENT TO?> MR. HOWARD. THE PROBLEM, I FIGURED OUT A WAY TO GET SOME OF THEIR NUMBERS.

MR. PAUL, I KEEP A LOG OF EVERYONE I CALL.

WHEN PEOPLE GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESSES THEY DO NOT GIVE

PHONE NUMBERS OR EMAILS. >> I UNDERSTAND.

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I AM NOT CRITICIZING. THE MEETING WAS DECEMBER 2. NOW IT IS JANUARY 18. WE HAVE SEEN OTHER PROJECTS ON THEIR OWN AND TRY TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING ADVERTISED FOR IT. SO, BY THE TIME WE GET HERE, THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSIONS AND UNDERSTANDINGS.

AGAIN, I WROTE THIS DOWN. IT IS HARD TO WORK THROUGH THESE ISSUES WITH A LACK OF COMMUNICATION.

UNDERSTAND, HARD TO MAKE CHANGES WHEN PEOPLE DO NOT COMMUNICATE WITH YOU. I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EFFORTS YOU MADE RATHER THAN EMAILING ONE OR TWO PEOPLE TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THIS?

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> I DID REACH OUT TO COUNTY AND PLANNING STAFF TO HELP. I SAID DO YOU HAVE A PROCESS TO SET THIS UP? THEY SAID IT IS UP TO THE DEVELOPERS AND TO REACH OUT TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION. I HAVE ALL OF THE EMAILS CONFIRMATION AND ALL OF THAT. THEN, ONCE A MEETING IS ESTABLISHED THEY POST IT ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE.IT IS NOT AS ORGANIZED AS THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT WHERE IT IS REQUIRED.

--TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS. HINDSIGHT IS 2020 I WISH I WOULD HAVE DONE IT. I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD ALLOW US SOME TIME. GO BACK TO PZA AND WE COULD GET WITH THE NEIGHBORS. I CANNT GUARANTEE ANYTHING.

AT LEAST WE CAN TRY. I THINK MR. HOWARD INSTEAD OF SAYING YES I WILL MEET WITH JANIS FLEET WE WILL DENY AND TALK ABOUT IT IN A YEAR.THAT IS VERY FRUSTRATING TO ME AS A PLANNER. MY GOAL IS TO TRY TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD APPRECIATE IF THE COMMISSION WOULD ALLOW US SOME TIME TO GET WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

SEE WHAT WE CAN WORK OUT. >> I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE COMING FROM. THAT IS A RISK IN BUSINESS YOU ARE DOING. YOU HAVE COME BACK TO THIS SEVERAL TIMES THAT THERE IS A LACK OF COMMUNICATION.

WE HAVE HEARD FROM THEM. I HAVE BEEN GETTING EMAILS FROM LATE NOVEMBER ABOUT THIS. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN, AGAIN, NOT A REQUIREMENT BUT I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN MORE OF AN EFFORT TO HAVE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING.

GET EVERYONE TOGETHER. RATHER THAN EMAILING ONE OR TWO PEOPLE. THIS IS NOT CRITICISM THIS IS JUST SOME FEEDBACK. MAKE SENSE?

>> I APPRECIATE IT. IF THEY WOULD HAVE EMAILED OR CONTACTED ME IN NOVEMBER I WOULD HAVE MET WITH THEM RIGHT AWAY. I CANNOT MEET WITH SOMEONE THAT

WILL NOT CONTACT ME. >> THANK YOU.

>> UNFORTUNATELY MY SPEAKER LIST IS NOT WORKING.

YOU WANTED TO SPEAK AS WELL? >> GO AHEAD.

>> MY THOUGHTS THIS PUD AND MY MIND HAVING HEARD ALL OF THE EVIDENCE IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PUD.

I AM SENSING A RELUCTANT SEE FROM THE COMMUNITY TO GET ENGAGED. THEY UNDERSTAND IF WE DENY DISAPPEAR TODAY FOLLOWING THE PZA STYLE THEY WILL HAVE ONE YEAR TO SORT OF COLLECT THEIR THOUGHTS.

PERHAPS GET ORGANIZED AND USE THE HOA'S TO BE MORE UNIFIED.

I HAVE HEARD AND CONSIDERED EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND PRESENTATION.

I'M GOING TO PUT THIS TO THE BOARD AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK.

WE CAN APPROVE OR DENY WE COULD ALSO REMANDED BACK TO PZA.

WHATEVER DATE EVERYONE THINKS IS FAIR.

IF THE COMMUNITY IN GOOD FAITH WOULD MEET WITH JANIS FLEET AND MR. BACON TO FIND OUT THE BEST FIT FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

IF THERE WOULD BE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO HAVE THOSE MEETINGS PERHAPS IT WOULD NOT TAKE A YEAR TO COME TO THAT DECISION.

WE COULD GET SOMETHING DONE. SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT INADVERTENTLY HURT MR. BACON'S BUSINESS.

IT WOULD PROVIDE A BENEFIT TO THIS COMMUNITY OF TREATY OAKS.

THAT IS AN IDEA I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME FEEDBACK FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. WE ARE NOT PROVING OR DENYING EITHER. WE CAN HAVE THOSE

CONVERSATIONS. >> I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE YOU GUYS WORK TOGETHER TO COME TO A BETTER AGREEMENT.

I WOULD FULLY SUPPORT REMANDING IT BACK TO THE PZA BEFORE

BECOME BEFORE YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND.

I UNDERSTAND, I AM A BUSINESSMAN IN TOWN.

THERE ARE PROJECTS I HAVE DONE. I HAVE BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO BACK.

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MAYBE GET CERTAIN WITH PZA TO SEE IF THEY COULD GET IT BACK ON THEIR AGENDA PRETTY QUICKLY. MAYBE GIVE THEM A MONTH, MONTH AND AND A HALF OR TWO MONTHS. MAYBE LATE MARCH OR APRIL.

THAT WAY SOME OTHER HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS ARE THERE.

I HAVE BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR THE BUSINESSES.

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU I WANT BUSINESS OVER RESIDENTIAL EVERYDAY. THIS IS A UNIQUE FIT WITH WHAT IS LEFT WITH A PUD. PUD IS NOT THERE.

IT IS THE PARCEL THAT YOU HAVE IT.

WE ARE FINDING THAT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE REQUIREMENT OF MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. THAT IS WHAT I RECOMMEND.

WE CAN DO A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE WILL REMANDED BACK TO PZA. THREE MONTHS GOOD?

>> YEAH. >> LET'S DO THIS IN AN ORDERLY FASHION. I'M GOING TO ALLOW SOME LIMITED SPEAKING. WE ARE TRYING TO REACH A CONSENSUS ABOUT WHAT TO DO. EVERYONE AND PUT BE BRIEF AND SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE.

>> THE INITIAL BOARD MEETING WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION SCHEDULED MARCH 2, I ASKED THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST A SIX MONTH PERIOD. IF THAT IS OKAY WITH MR. BACON.

FOR HIM TO WORK WITH US AND PUT TOGETHER A VIABLE PLAN.

I UNDERSTAND HIS CONCERNS. HE IS ALREADY DOING SOME WORK THERE RIGHT NOW AS WELL. ONE OR TWO MONTHS WILL NOT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION TO SHOW US AND EXPLAIN A REASONABLE SOLUTION.

IF YOU CANNOT WORK IT OUT WITHIN THAT TIME IT IS GOING TO BE TOUGH. THAT IS ALL I AM SAYING.

THANK YOU. >> I HAVE BANK FINANCING INVOLVED. TO EXTEND WHAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR A 12 MONTH LOAN TO EXTEND THAT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL POINTS TO PAY ON THAT. THAT WAS A 2 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR LOAN. ALONG WITH THE JOBS THAT ARE

LOST. >> LET'S DO THIS IF IT IS OKAY WITH THE BOARD, LET'S PUSH THIS UNTIL THE END OF MARCH.

THAT GIVES YOU ABOUT 2 AND A HALF MONTHS.

YOU CAN PROBABLY NOTIFY THE HOA'S TO MEET EARLIER.

I UNDERSTAND IT THE NUMBER OF HOMES IT IS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. MR. BACON DESERVES AN ANSWER

ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER? >> I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST IS COMING FROM.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR CIRCUMSTANCE, MR. BACON.I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE MORE EFFORT. I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST.

YOU NEED AN ANSWER AT THIS POINT?

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, AT THIS POINT, WE WOULD RATHER --I REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE LETTING US MOVE FORWARD WITH A TRY TO WORK IT OUT WITH THE NEIGHBORS. I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU IN ONE YEAR WITH THE SAME POINT.

WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER.

I AM NOT GUARANTEEING I WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.

I AM WILLING TO LISTEN. WHEN WE COME FORWARD THREE MONTHS OR WHENEVER, AT LEAST WE ARE SURE THIS IS WHAT THE

NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS. >> I UNDERSTAND.

MY CONCERN IS THE TIME WHEN WE ARE WORKING WITH.

THE RESIDENTS NEED MADE UNTIL LATE MARCH.

MR. BACON HAS A LOAN IN PLACE. I AM NOT SURE WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT WORK.MAKE YOUR MOTION BUT I WILL EXPLAIN WHY I

AM VOTING AGAINST THIS. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO REMANDED BACK TO PZA.IN MARCH AND THEN BACK TO US IN THE LAST MEETING IN MARCH.

I AM SORRY, APRIL. EITHER THE LAST MEETING IN

MARCH OR APRIL. >> SECOND?

>> I SECOND. >> A MOTION AND SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 4 TO 1.

[3 . Public Hearing * PLNAPPL21-05 Hooks-Thranhardt Rebuild (PVZVAR 21-10). Request to appeal the Ponte Vedra Zoning and Adjustment Board (PVZAB) denial of a Zoning Variance request (PVZVAR 2021-10) to allow a Front Yard setback of 24 feet for Lot 1 and 20 feet for Lot 2 in lieu of the platted 40-foot Building Restriction Line to accommodate construction of two (2) single family homes. The Ponte Vedra Zoning and Adjustment Board voted 5-0 to deny the variance request at their regularly scheduled meeting held on September 13 , 2021 . ]

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>> THE TECHNICAL ISSUE IS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER THAN WE THOUGHT. I WOULD RATHER THEM TO CONTINUE WORKING ON THAT. WE NEED TO MOVE AHEAD.

I WILL TRY TO GLANCE QUICKLY EACH WAY WHEN SOMEBODY WISHES TO SPEAK. WITH THAT SAID LET'S START WITH

ITEM NUMBER THREE. >> IS THIS QUASIJUDICIAL?

>> I THINK SO. >> WE SHOULD DO QUASIJUDICIAL ON NUMBER THREE. LET'S START WITH YOU.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 23 AT APPROXIMATELY 3 PM WITH APART OF THE ADJUSTMENT BOARD.

IN ADDITION I DID A PHONE CALL YESTERDAY ON MONDAY THE 17TH I SPOKE WITH.

I ALSO HAD A PHONE CALL WITH MR. ZACH MILLER WHO IS HERE REPRESENTING THE APPELLANT. WE HAD A VERY BRIEF PHONE CONVERSATION ON THURSDAY. HE REACHED OUT AND ASKED IF I HAD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND I DID NOT.HAT IS ALL HAD.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> I RECEIVED AN EMAIL.

I THINK I ALSO HAD A PHONE CALL.

I DO NOT KNOW IF WE EVER SPOKE. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> I RECEIVED AN EMAIL YESTERDAY WITH TODAY'S PRESENTATION. THAT SHE INTENDS TO SHARE WITH

US. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. >> I RECEIVED AN EMAIL.

IT ALSO HAD A VERY BRIEF HELLO AND HOW ARE YOU DISCUSSION THIS MORNING.[LAUGHING] WITH THAT SAID, LET'S PROCEED WITH ITEM

NUMBER THREE. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

ZACH MILLER. I HAVE THE HONOR OF REPRESENTING MS. HOOKS AND. THIS IS A QUASIJUDICIAL PROCEEDING. THIS IS AN APPEAL AND A DENIAL.

FROM THE ADJUSTMENT BOARD IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS PAST YEAR.

THIS PROPERTY IS OFF OF SOLANO ROAD.

NINE A SOLANO ROAD NUMBER FOUR ON THE OCEAN COURSE JUST NORTH.

MY LEAST FAVORITE PLACE ON THE OCEAN COURSE.

THERE IS AN INLET OF A LAGOON THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR AT LEAST 70 YEARS. THIS PROPERTY AND THE CURRENT HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE EARLY 1950S.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE HOUSE. THERE IS A POOL IN THE BACK.

THIS HAS BECOME IMPORTANT, PLEASE NOTE THAT THE VERY SEVERE SLOPE THAT CUTS OFF THE BACK INTO THE PROPERTY.

THE PROPERTY IS OWNED RB .8 ACRES IN SIZE.

70,000 SQUARE-FOOT LOT THE HUNDRED FOOT WIDE.

40 FOOT FRONT YARD. IT TECHNICALLY REQUIRES A 40 FOOT REAR YARD. HOWEVER, THAT IS REDUCED TO 20 FEET. THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL 1947 PLAT. I WILL SHOW YOU THE ZOOMED IN VIEW. THE TWO LOTS UC CLOSE TO THE INLETS WHERE I HAVE THE ARROW, THAT IS THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY. THIS PROPERTY IS MADE UP OF BOTH OF THOSE LOTS. HERE IT IS HIGHLIGHTED.

THE HOUSE CURRENTLY STRADDLES BOTH LOT NUMBER ONE WHICH IS TO THE WEST, THE LEFT. THE LOT TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

BECAUSE EACH ONE OF THESE LAWS IS A LOT OF A RECORD YOU ARE EXEMPT FROM THE LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS AND LOT WITH REQUIREMENTS. THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

DURING THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF INCREASING DENSITY.

TEARING DOWN ONE HOUSE TO BUILD TWO HOUSES AND SETTING A PRECEDENT. THE COUNTY CODE AND OF THE EXEMPTIONS FROM THE LOT OF RECORDS THAT THEY CAN BUILD WITHOUT THE VARIANCE. --THE TWO HOUSES.

THE DENSITY IS ALLOWED BY THE CODE.

WE ARE JUST HERE FOR THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.

LOT 1 IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE OF 24 FEET, FROM 40 FEET.

LOT NUMBER TWO IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM 40 FEET TO 20 FEET. THIS IS NOT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE JUST AT THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE.

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IT IS NOT THE ENTIRE FACE OF THE HOUSE WILL BE 20 FEET AND 24 FEET. THIS IS SOME OF THE CONFUSING AT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST ZONING MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.

THERE WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE LOT NUMBER ONE.

WHICH IS THIS LOT RIGHT HERE. THE LOT THAT IS FURTHER TO THE WEST WERE THE LEFT EAR. A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE REQUEST. THE REDUCTION FROM 40 FEET TO 24 FEET FOR LONG NUMBER ONE. JUST FOR THE GARAGE ON THE SITE PLAN. THE VOTE WAS THREE TO TWO IN FAVOR. BECAUSE OF THE RULES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD 3-2 IS A TECHNICAL DENIAL BECAUSE YOU NEED FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE IN FAVOR.

I DO NOT KNOW WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF MORE OF THE MEMBERS HAD BEEN THERE SO THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH.

3-2 IN FAVOR OF THE HARDSHIP AND VARIANCE FOR LOT NUMBER ONE. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME BRINGING THIS UP, THE LOT DIMENSIONS. I PULLED THE OLD PLOT AND A ZOOMED IN. I CLEARED UP THE DIMENSIONS OF LOT NUMBER ONE AND TWO. THE FRONTAGE ALONG THE STREET HAS NOT CHANGED. TAKE A LOOK AT THE REAR OF LOT 1. 132 FEET. THE WESTERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY ALONG THE CANAL AND CULVERT THAT CONNECTS TO THE LAGOON.

87 FEET THAT IS. THIS IS THE DIMENSIONS AS THE HOUSE IS LISTED TODAY. 170 FEET AND 50 FEET.

HERE ARE BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. ORIGINALLY FROM THE CORNER OF THE EDGE OF A LOT NUMBER TWO ON THE NORTHERN END TO THE WESTERN BOUNDARY WAS ORIGINALLY 132 FEET.

THEN YOU HAD 87 FEET OF FRONTAGE ALONG THE RIVER ON THE WEST. THAT IS NOW 50 FEET.

AT SOME POINT AND TIME OF THE LAGOON WAS FILLED IN ON THIS LOT OF RECORD THAT REDUCED WHAT I WILL CALL THE BACKYARD.

IT IS REALLY THE BACKSIDE YARD BECAUSE IT IS AT AN ANGLE.

THAT IS ONE OF THE HARDSHIPS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS LOT OF A RECORD WAS CUT OFF AT APPROXIMATELY COSTING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN .02 ACRES AND .03 ACRES OF FEET.

AGAIN, ORIGINALLY 87 FEET BOUNDARY GOING INTO THE LAGOON IS NOW ONLY 50 FEET. ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT CAME UP WITH SOME OF THE SPEAKERS AND COMMENTS AT THE LAST HEARING, YOU HAVE 100 FOOT FRONT YARD.

RESPECTFULLY, IT LOOKS THAT WAY.

THE REALITY, SOLANO ROAD IS A 60 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THIS WAS NOTED IN THE STAFFING REPORT.

THEY NOTED 23 FEET. I HAVE MEASURED IT FOR OTHER PROJECTS IT IS MORE 20 TO 22 FEET.

YOU HAVE AN EXTRA 20 OR SO FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT TO THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINE. THEN, THE SETBACK.

THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU SEE SOMEONE HAS A 35 FOOT SETBACK ALONG SOLANO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE A 55 OR 65 SETBACK.

AS THE STAFF NOTED FOR THE 24 FOOT REDUCTION, 43 FEET FROM THE ACTUAL ROADWAY. ON THE 20 FOOT YOU WOULD HAVE ABOUT 40 FEET FROM THE ACTUAL ROADWAY SETBACK.

VISUALLY, IF THESE HOMES ARE ALLOWED TO BE BUILT WITH THESE VARIANCES WILL NOT BE PUSHED UP AGAINST THE ROAD.

THEY WILL STILL LOOK LIKE THEY ARE FAR BACK.

I THINK THAT IS WHAT LED TO SOME CONFUSION WITH THE OPPOSITION. THERE IS A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THIS BEING UNPRECEDENTED. THERE ARE NO HOUSES IN THIS AREA. JUST A SURVEY OF PEOPLE IN THE NOTICE AREA I FOUND FIVE HOMES THAT HAVE LESS THAN A 40 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINE.

INCLUDING THE CURRENT HOUSE. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CORNER IT IS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT ONLY A 28 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE CURRENT PROPERTY. NOT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, THE CURRENT PROPERTY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REPEATEDLY MENTIONED BY SOME OF THOSE IN OPPOSITION WAS THAT IF WE DO THIS THERE IS GOING TO BE A PRECEDENT.PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START TERRORIZING HOUSES. BUILDING NEW HOMES.

BUILDING TWO HOMES ON A SINGLE LOT.

LOOKING AT THE AREA THIS IS THE PLOT OF THE ENTIRE AREA.

THIS IS THE ONLY HOUSE THAT IS BUILT ONTO LOTS OF RECORDS THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE TO ACTUALLY BUILD A HOUSE ON EACH LOT OF RECORD. IN FACT I ONLY FOUND ONE OTHER HOME IN THE AREA THAT IS MADE UP OF MULTIPLE LOTS OF RECORD.

HE OTHER LAWS OF RECORD ARE TOO SMALL TO BUILD.

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TOO SMALL TO BUILD A 25 FOOT HOME THAT STRETCHES 100 FEET BACKWARDS AND I DO NOT THINK ANYBODY WOULD DO THAT AND I DO NOT THINK THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD APPROVE THAT.

IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, MS. HOOKS AND THRANHARDT DID THE ZONING. THIS SHOULD BE PUBLIC RECORD.

WE GOT TWO MORE LETTERS OF SUPPORT.

[INAUDIBLE].

THEY CAN TALK MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT MEETING WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS. THEY HAVE GONE AROUND AND TRIED TO EXPLAIN BREAD WHAT CAME UP REPEATEDLY IN THE OPPOSITION AND HAD TO BE EXPLAINED IT TO THE NEIGHBORS THIS IS GOING TO START A PRESIDENT OF TURNDOWN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND BUILDING TWO HOMES IN THIS PLACE.

BECAUSE THESE ARE TWO LOTS OF RECORDS THE APPLICANT CAN DO THAT. THAT CANNOT HAPPEN ON ANY OF THE OTHER SINGLE LOTS OF RECORD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

FOR SOMEBODY TO TEAR DOWN A HOUSE IN THIS AREA AND BUILD TWO HOMES THEY WOULD NEED A FULL ZONING CHANGE AND VERY LIKELY THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A GOVERNMENT PLAN.

GIVEN THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS. I DO NOT SEE THIS BOARD APPROVING EITHER ONE OF THOSE. DO I HAVE ANY OTHER POINTS? THE ONLY OTHER HOME THAT IS MADE UP OF SEVERAL LOTS OF RECORD IS 403 SOLANO. AS I MENTIONED, THOSE LOTS ARE TOO SMALL TO BUILD ANY OTHER HOMES.

ONE OF THE POINTS I MADE WITH SOME OF THEIR NEIGHBORS, THEY DO NOT GET THIS VARIANCE ON LOT NUMBER TWO.

THE ONLY PLACE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PUT THE GARAGE IS IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS AN OLDER SATELLITE PHOTO AND I THINK THIS HOME IS DONE NOW.

THAT WILL ACTUALLY BLOCK THE VIEW OF THE SUNSET OVER THE CHURCH. FROM THE BACKYARD OF THEIR NEIGHBORS. IN FACT, I CAN GIVE YOU THE SITE PLAN. THIS IS THE GARAGE, AS YOU CAN SEE IT FACES --. THIS IS THE GARAGE AS YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE IS STILL SETBACK WILL BE ON THE 40 FOOT BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE. IT IS A PART OF THE GARAGE ON LOT TO THAT GOES INTO THE BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE.

FOR LOT NUMBER ONE IT IS A PART OF THE GARAGE.

I DO NOT WANT YOU TO THINK THIS IS A CRITICISM OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMENTS BY PEOPLE ON THE BOARD. THEY FELT THAT LOT NUMBER ONE ACTUALLY MET THE HARDSHIP REQUIREMENT.

I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS IS THE ONLY WAY TO BUILD A HOUSE WOULD TO BE A TRIANGLE FACED LOT, IT WOULD NOT FIT IN WITH THE AREA. THE LIMITED BACKYARD AND THE ARCH RIGHT AWAY FELT WERE HARDSHIPS FOR THAT PARTICULAR LOT. THAT WAS NOT EVERY MEMBER OF THE BOARD BUT THOSE COMMENTS WERE MADE.

THE ISSUE SEEMED TO BE MORE REGARDING THE HARDSHIP REQUIREMENT FOR LOT NUMBER TWO. I KNOW SOME NUMBERS OF THE BOARD ARE HERE TO SPEAK. I AM SURE THEY WOULD LIKE THE CHANCE TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

PUBLIC COMMENT? >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.

PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN.

I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE AT SOME NUMBERS HERE.

WE MAY WANT TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME IN

ADDITION TO THE THREE MINUTES. >> IF YOU ARE A MEMBR DOING YOUR GOOD VOLUNTEER WORK YOU ARE GOING TO GET FIVE MINUTES.

IF YOU NEED IT. >> THANK YOU MR. DEAN.

JEAN RULISON I LIVE HERE. I AM NOT HERE AS A RESIDENT OR A NEIGHBOR. I KNOW THE APPLICANT AND A FEEL FOR THEIR SITUATION. I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR THEM.AND HERE IS AN APPOINTED MEMBER OF THE ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD. I REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY AND ZONING REGULATIONS ON THIS MATTER.

I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT FIVE POINTS.

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I AM GLAD THERE WERE UPDATED MAPS PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY.

I WILL TALK ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE OVERALL PROPERTY AND TRAFFIC FLOW AND THE BEACH. I WILL POINT TO SOME OF THE SAME PHOTOS THAT WERE USED BY MR. MILLER.I AM ALSO GOING TO LOOK AT THE PLOT LINES AND SHAPE OF EACH LOT AS HE DID.

SOME OF THE REGULATORY REASONS WHY THEY DENIED AT LEAST ONE OF THE REQUEST. AS HE NOTED THERE ARE TWO LOTS.

THEY CAME WITH ONE VARIANCE REQUEST.

WE VOTED SEPARATELY ON LOT NUMBER ONE AND LOT NUMBER TWO.

MAY BE AN ALTERNATE TO THE VARIANCE.

I HAVE SENT SOME MAPS AND I AM NOT SURE IF THEY ARE PUT ON THE OVERHEAD. ARE THEY THERE? YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THEM, OKAY.

I SENT THEM TO JACOB, THAT IS OKAY.

SORRY FOR MY PRINTER I NEVER GOT A NEW PRINTER ONCE I RETIRED. NOT TOO BAD.

THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW. I WILL TURN IT THIS WAY.

THIS IS A 1A. PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD.

IN THIS PART OF PONTEVEDRA THERE ARE ONLY TWO WORDS THAT GO FROM A1A SO PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD.

THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, THE PROPERTY IS ON HERE. THIS IS TO ILLUSTRATE THAT THESE ARE TWO VERY WELL-TRAVELED ROADS.

THESE ARE THE ROADS AT THE RESIDENCE OVER HERE USE.

THE RESIDENTS USE THEM TO GET OUT TO A1A. THIS IS NOT A SIDE ROAD.HIS WOULD BE VERY OBVIOUS IN TERMS OF A VARIANCE.

FOR THE SETBACKS. I WOULD SAY PERHAPS PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL IN TERMS OF HOW THESE ROADS ARE TRAVELED.

I THINK MR. MILLER'S MAP WAS WAY BETTER THAN THIS ONE.

THIS SHOWS THAT THERE IS NOW A HOME.

THE PACKET YOU GOT SHOWED AN EMPTY LOT.

THERE IS NOW A HOME BUILT ON THIS LOT SO THERE IS NO EMPTY LOT. IT IS A REALLY PRETTY HOUSE YOU CAN SEE. THEY ARE ACTUALLY AT A 40 FOOT SETBACK WITH THEIR GARAGE IN FRONT OF THE HOME.

I WISH THIS ONE WERE A BETTER DRAWING.

MAYBE YOU CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.

DO I DO THAT OR WILL YOU DO THAT? THIS IS THE HOME RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE HOME BUILT NEXT TO IT RIGHT HERE. THEN RIGHT HERE IS THE 40 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE.

SO, THERE GARAGE IS SET BACK 40 FEET.

THIS IS THE NEXT HOUSE. THIS IS A 50 FEET SETBACK.

THERE GARAGE IS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE NEXT TIME A 40 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THIS IS WHERE ABOUT A 20 FOOT SETBACK WOULD BE. YOU CAN SEE THAT DISTANCE.

THIS IS THE 24 FOOT SETBACK. IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE ACROSS THE WATER THEY HAD A 40 FOOT SETBACK AS WELL.

ADDITIONALLY THIS IS ON A CURVE.

AS YOU DRIVE DOWN HERE AND YOU LOOK I THINK VISUALLY THIS WILL LOOK A BIT CLOSER TO THE ROAD AS WELL.

ON THIS MAP AS MR. MILLER POINTED OUT THIS IS LOT 1. THIS IS LOT 2. LOT 2 IS VERY SIMILAR SIZE AND SHAPE.

THEY HAVE A 50 FOOT SETBACK. TWO GARAGES IN THEIR HOME.

TO COMPARE THE SIZE OF THE HOMES THIS IS RECTANGULAR IN SHAPE. THERE WAS AN EXCEPTIONAL TOPOGRAPHY. IT HAS NO HARDSHIP.

THIS NEIGHBOR HAS A SIMILAR SHAPED LOT.

A LITTLE BIT OVER HALF AN ACRE. THE SETBACK IS 50 FEET.

THIS HOME IS 8000 TOTAL SQUARE FEET.

ABOUT 5000 OF LIVABLE SPACE. THE BASE IS NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT. IT IS LIKE 4300.

>> I WILL GIVE YOU ONE MORE MINUTE.

>> THANK YOU. THEY WILL BUILD 3300 SQUARE FEET. PLENTY OF ROOM.

LOT ONE IS NONCONFORMING IN SHAPE.

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NONCONFORMING SHOTS IN PONTE VEDRA GET AN AUTOMATIC REAR YARD SETBACK VARIANCE FROM 40 FEET TO 20 FEET.

I WOULD SAY WE DID VOTE 3 TO 2 TO APPROVE A VARIANCE SETBACK ON LOT 1. WE DENIED IT UNANIMOUSLY A VARIANCE SETBACK ON LOT TWO. I THINK THAT IS IT.

THAT IS THE PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM YOU

FOR THE BOARD. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. CAN YOU EXPLAIN IN MORE DETAIL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE VOTE OF LOT 1 AND LOT 2.

>> WE SEPARATED THE VOTES AND VOTED ON LOT ONE THINKING IT DID HAVE A HARDSHIP BASED UPON THE NONCONFORMING LOT SIZE.

I THINK I ACTUALLY MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THAT VARIANCE REQUEST. WE VOTED 3 TO 2 AND YOU MUST HAVE AT LEAST FOUR VOTES SO IT WAS A TECHNICAL DENIAL.

ON LOT NUMBER TWO I MADE THE MOTION TO DENY AND IT WAS 100 PERCENT UNANIMOUS TO NOT APPROVE THE VARIANCE FOR LOT

TWO. >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN IN MORE DETAIL YOUR REASONING TO APPROVE OR DENY?

>> BECAUSE OF THE NONCONFORMING SHAPE ON LOT NUMBER ONE WE FELT THEY DID NEED THE SETBACK.

THE OTHER THING, TO THE WEST OF THAT LOT THERE IS A WATERWAY VERSUS A NEIGHBOR. WE ALSO FELT IT WOULD NOT ENCROACH THAT MUCH ON THE NEIGHBOR SINCE THERE WAS WATER SEPARATING THEM. A VISUAL SEPARATION.

BECAUSE, TO THE EAST OF THEM IT WAS THE OTHER OWNER OF THE LOT THEY WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL.

>> ONE MORE QUESTION IF THE CHAIRMAN WOULD ALLOW.

MR. MILLER POINTED OUT THERE IS ANOTHER POSSIBILITY OF HOW THIS LOT --THIS HOME CAN BE BUILT. IT COULD POTENTIALLY OBSTRUCTED THE VIEW OF THE NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST.

THE NORTHEAST. DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT

THAT? >> I DO HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THAT. THIS COMES A SECOND HAND TO ME.

SOMEONE SPOKE TO ME THAT KNOCKED ON THE NEIGHBORS DOOR.

THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR SAID THEY WOULD NOT WRITE A LETTER AN OPPOSITION OR AN AGREEMENT BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO GET ALONG WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS. SO, THEY WOULD NOT SAY EITHER WAY. I CANNOT HAVE AN OPINION OF THE NEIGHBORS. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT HOUSE THAT IS TWO DOORS DOWN THAT HOUSE IS 8000 SQUARE FEET.

50 FOOT SETBACK. IT IS THE HOUSE TO DOWN, NOBODY IS COMPLAINING ABOUT AN OBSTRUCTIVE VIEW ON THAT.

THE HOUSE NEXT TO THAT IS A LARGER HOME THEN THEY WANT TO BUILD AND THAT THERE GARAGE IS OUTBACK WITH A 40 FOOT SETBACK.

I THINK THERE IS A WAY TO PUT WHAT THEY WANT ON THAT LOT WITHOUT OBSTRUCTING ANY NEIGHBORS VIEW AND TO MAINTAIN THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ALL ALONG THAT ROAD.

I MEASURED ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD USING THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS MAPS. I FOUND EVERYBODY WAS 40 TO 50 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THAT ROAD.

IT IS VERY WELL-TRAVELED AND IT WILL BE VERY OBVIOUS IF YOU HAVE GARAGES EVEN STICKING OUT 20 MORE FEET OVER THE SETBACK ALLOWANCE FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

ESPECIALLY BEING ON A CURVE. I DO NOT THINK THAT WILL BE AN OBSTRUCTION I ALSO DO NOT LIVE THERE.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> ONE JUST OCCURRED TO ME. MR. MILLER SAID DURING HIS PRESENTATION THAT THE CORNER OF THE EXISTING HOUSE RIGHT NOW IS NOT 40 FEET BACK FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY'S.

DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR AWAY IT IS? >> I TALKED TO THEM WHEN WE FIRST HEARD THIS ON THE ZONING BOARD.

I HAVE NOT BEEN BACK. I TRIED MY BEST ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS WEBSITE WITH MY LITTLE RULER.

PROBABLY MY CALIBRATION ON MY SCREEN WAS NOT EXACTLY RIGHT.

I GOT 33 FEET FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND HE SAID IT WAS TO THE PROPERTY LINE NOT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

I GOT 30 TO 33 FEET AND I THINK YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OVERHANG OF A ROOF. THEY HAVE A LARGE FRONT PORCH THAT IS THERE OVERHANG IN THE FRONT PORCH.

IF YOU WERE TO MEASURE FROM THE HOUSE IT COULD BE CLOSER TO 33 TO 40 FEET. WHERE IT IS BUILT NOW.

HE WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND MEASURE.

>> FORGIVE ME, SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING.

FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROOF TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT IS ALLOWED TO BE UNDER 40 FEET BUT THE PHYSICAL BUILDING ITSELF?

>> I THINK YOU ARE ALLOWED THREE FEET.

THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 52. SOME OF THESE WENT INTO PLACE

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AND 65, THE REGULATIONS. WHEN YOU KNOCKED ON THE STRUCTURE I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE

CURRENT REGULATIONS. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING, I AGREE WITH PZA.

WITH THE PONTE VEDRA BOARD. THERE IS NO HARDSHIP.

THE APPEAL SHOULD BE DENIED. ONE HELPFUL SUGGESTION I WOULD MAKE ON THESE APPEALS, COULD WE REQUIRE TRANSCRIPTS? WE OFTEN HAVE PEOPLE AT THESE PODIUMS MAKING ASSERTIONS ABOUT WHAT TOOK PLACE IN THE PZA. YOU ALL DO NOT HAVE ANY TRANSCRIPTS. THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE HAD A REQUIREMENT THAT ANY PARTY APPEALING FROM THE LOWER COURT PROVIDE A TRANSCRIPT. I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE SOMEBODY APPEALING WHO IS A RESIDENT WHO CANNOT AFFORD A TRANSCRIPT. CAN WE ASK THE COUNTY STAFF TO POSSIBLY HIRING A COURT REPORTING FIRM? IF THE APPEAL IS FILED OF A LOWER BOARD DECISION YOU WILL BE GIVEN THAT TRANSCRIPT AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU AND THE PUBLIC TO READ IT PRIOR TO HAVING THE HEARING ON THE APPEAL. I THINK COMPARED TO THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE WHICH REQUIRES TRANSCRIPTS, EVEN THOUGH I THINK THE REQUIREMENT IS ON THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNERS, WE SHOULD AT LEAST CONSIDER HAVING THE COUNTY PROVIDE THE TRANSCRIPTS.

IF IT IS THE DEVELOPER LET THE DEVELOPER BY THE TRANSCRIPT.

THERE IS A LOT OF VERY FAST AND LOOSE ASSERTION FOR FOLKS HERE BY DEVELOPERS AND PEOPLE WHO WANT APPROVALS.

THEY TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED AT THE PZA.

I KNOW YOU DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO WATCH THE PZA.

IT WOULD BE EASIER IF YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL TRANSCRIPT.

JUST LIKE THE BIBLE YOU CAN GO AND KEY IN ON A WORD AND LOOK AT THE INDEX. YOU CAN IMMEDIATELY SEE IF THEY ARE TELLING THE TRUTH OR NOT. CROSS-EXAMINATION IS THE GREATEST EVER INVENTION FOR THE DISCOVERY OF TRUTH.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CROSS-EXAMINATION IN THESE PZA HEARINGS, EVER. THE CITIZENS DO NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE DEVELOPER.

THERE ARE QUESTIONS AND VERY GOOD QUESTIONS OFTEN TIMES IN THE PZA. WE DO NOT GET TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. WE HAVE THE STAFF REPORT AND THEY ARE OFTEN SELF-SERVING AND FAVOR OF THE DEVELOPERS.

I WOULD SUPPORT THE PZA ON PONTE VEDRA BOARD ON THEIR DETERMINATION. COMPETENT WITH SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. CAN YOU PLEASE DIRECT STAFF TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING THIS PROCEEDINGS MORE RIGOROUS? A LITTLE BIT MORE CLASSY? WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE TRANSCRIPTS.

WE CAN TELL WHAT HAPPENED AT PZA.

IT IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.

I DO NOT THINK THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE VERY BENEFICIAL WHEN THERE IS NOT A TRANSCRIPT. THANK YOU.

>> ANYBODY ELSE FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE? SEEING NONE, CLOSING PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> MR. MILLER, ANY COMMENTS?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM NOT REPRESENTING DEVELOPERS ON THIS. THE TWO APPLICANTS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE CURRENT OWNER THEY HOPE TO SUBDIVIDE AND BUILD TWO HOUSES TO LIVE THERE WITH THEIR FAMILY.

THEN TRANSFER TO OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS.

THE OTHER ISSUE, IS NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT, HAVING ONE HOUSE THAT SIZE IS A TREMENDOUS TAX BURDEN ON THEM.

SO, THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO PROBABLY SELL THIS.

RESPECTFULLY, THE 40 FOOT SETBACK, AGAIN, I HAVE FIVE LOTS ARE THAT USE THE COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER RULER.

THEY ARE NOT 40 FEET. 500 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD IS AT THE CORNER OF SOLANO. IT IS ABOUT 16 TO 18 OFF OF SOLANO. 506 IS ABOUT 35.

500 SOLANO 23 TO 27 FEET 508 --. THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY WENT AND MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS. I FORWARDED TO MR. SMITH A LETTER OF SUPPORT IN THIS VARIANCE.

AS FAR AS THE TRANSCRIPTS, I AGREE.

I ALSO WATCH THE HEARING. IN 1935, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS, I THINK IT WAS AN AGENCY MEMBER, MCKINLEY.

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--I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY SORT OF DISAGREEMENT.

[INAUDIBLE]. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY DISAGREEMENT THAT LOT ONE HAS A HARDSHIP.

LOT 2 AND THE DEFINITION OF HARDSHIP STAFF NOTED IN THE REPORT THAT THE POOL IN THE REAR YARD COULD CONSTITUTE A HARDSHIP, LEGALLY. THE WIDTH OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY COULD CONSTITUTE A HARDSHIP. IF THEY DO NOT GET THIS VARIANCE THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY ALONG THE EASTERN PORTION OF LOT NUMBER TWO TO GET TO THE GARAGE IN THE BACKYARD. I UNDERSTAND THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMBERS WANT TO COMPARE IT TO THE OTHER HOMES, LOOK AT HOW FAR THEY STRETCH BACK.

THEY ARE A LOT LARGER. THESE ARE 3000 TO 3500 SQUARE-FOOT HOMES. I THINK SOME OF THESE I HAVE SEEN ON THE LOW, ARE 8000 SQUARE-FOOT HOMES.

THERE ARE SOME IN THIS AREA THAT HAVE 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT, GOD BLESS THEM, WONDERFUL. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THE OTHER ISSUE, SAFETY.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EXCHANGING ONE HOME FOR TWO HOMES.

WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT ANYWAY WITHOUT THE VARIANCE.

THIS DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO LINE UP.

THAT IS PROBABLY NOT A GREAT SAFETY ITEMS YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY TO A HOME LINING UP WITH A DEAD END ON THE STREET.

WHEN I WAS WORKING ON THE DEVELOPMENT WITH CORONA SIX YEARS AGO, THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS.

HAVING A DRIVEWAY TO A DEVELOPMENT THAT ENTERED INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S DRIVEWAY. I DO WANT TO SAY THERE WAS NO USING THE COUNTY'S RULER FOR THE SETBACK FOR THE HOUSE OF 28 FEET. IT IS ON PAGE 8 OF THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT AND PAGE 6 OF YOUR STAFF REPORT.

THAT IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE OTHER HOMES WERE GRANDFATHERED IN AND BUILT PRIOR TO THIS. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. >> MR. MILLER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT YOUR CLIENTS ARE EXPERIENCING.

LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I WROTE THIS DOWN CORRECTLY.

THERE WAS ANOTHER PLAN THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY PUT THE GARAGE IN THE BACK PART OF THE PARCEL.> CORRECT.

WE DID NOT WANT TO INUNDATE THE BOARD WITH DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

LOT NUMBER TWO WHICH IS A LOT FURTHER TO THE EAST, IF WE DID NOT GET THE SETBACK TO HAVE THE CAR GARAGE --HERE LET ME DO THIS. THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL.

THIS IS LOT TWO. HERE IS THE GARAGE FOR LOT NUMBER TWO. IF WE DID NOT GET THE FRONT YARD SETBACK YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT RAN ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

WE WOULD PUT IT IN THE REAR. TO BE CLEAR, WE DO NOT NEED A

VARIANCE TO DO THAT. >> SELF THERE IS NOT AN APPROVAL THAT IS AN OPTION YOU ARE CONSIDERING?

>> CORRECT. >> THANK YOU.

>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OVERHEAD OF THE HOUSE?

>> I CANNOT BUT YOUR STAFF CAN.

THE OVERHEAD OF WHAT IS THERE NOW.

>> IS NOT NOT A DRIVEWAY THERE RIGHT NOW?

>> IT IS. >> YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT

PUTTING IT THERE? >> THE ONE IN THE REAR.

RIGHT NOW THE CARS STOPPED AND PARKED HERE.THEY WOULD BE GOING TO A GARAGE THAT IS CLOSER TO HEAR.

>> YOU SAID ORIGINALLY IN? >> 1947.

>> ONE WAS SOLANO RIGHT-OF-WAY EXPANDED?

>> AS FAR AS WHY DID? --WIDENED? I THINK THE ORIGINAL RIGHT AWAY WAS 60 FEET.

I DO NOT ACTUALLY HAVE IT. >> I WILL HAVE TO ASK THE

STAFF TO LOOK THAT UP. >> I JUST WANTED TO ASK.

>> DOING A LOT OF THIS WORK IN THE BEACH AREA I KNOW THIS IS NOT JACKSONVILLE, I HAVE BEEN SHOCKED AT THE SIZE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THE OLDER PLATS.

THERE IS ONE IN BEACH BOULEVARD IN JACKSONVILLE AND EVERY SINGLE ONE IS 80 FOOT WIDE EVEN THOUGH THE ROAD IS ONLY LIKE 22. I THINK MAYBE IT WAS TO

ACCOMMODATE THE DRAINAGE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

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>> CAN WE SPLIT THE MOTIONS AND APPROVE LOT NUMBER ONE AND DENIED LOT NUMBER TWO? IS NOT AN OPTION?

>> DEFER TO SENIOR COUNTY ASSISTANT ATTORNEY.

>> I THINK IF WE SEPARATE IT DOES BOARD COULD DO THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> GIVE A PICTURE OF THE PROPOSED SECOND VERSION OF THE

HOUSE FOR LOT NUMBER TWO? >> NO.

THE CONCERN WAS THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO PUT ANYTHING UP THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE ARE APPEALING AND WHAT WAS BEFORE THEM AND INUNDATE YOU WITH OPTIONS.

THEN COME UP WITH A HEAVILY CONDITIONED ITEM.

WE DID NOT THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO THE STAFF BECAUSE THEY REVIEWED THE SITE PLAN. I WILL REQUEST THAT WHATEVER MISSION IS MADE EVEN IF IT IS FOR LOT NUMBER ONE AND DENIED LOT NUMBER TWO CONDITION ONE WE REQUEST THAT IT GOES TO TRANSFERABILITY.SOMETIMES VARIANCES ARE GRANTED PERSONALLY. WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING APPROVED RUNS WITH THE LAND.

>> THANK YOU MR. MILLER. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, YOU OPPOSED THE EXACT QUESTION IN MY MIND.

I WAS GOING TO ASK COUNSEL, THIS CAME TO US AS ONE RECOMMENDATION. ONE DECISION.

THAT HAS WHAT HAS BEEN PENDING BEFORE US.

SO, THE VOTE FROM THERE, THE DENIAL I UNDERSTAND IT.

>> THEY ACTUALLY HAD IT TO DENIALS.

THEY SEPARATED. THIS IS DE NOVO.

>> AT THE END OF THE DAY I'M GOING TO TURN TO COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, DISTRICT 4, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM HIM.

MY PREFERENCE FROM ONE VOTE IS TO SEPARATE THE TWO ITEMS. I PERSONALLY WOULD SUPPORT A VARIANCE FOR LOT 1. THAT WOULD OVERTURN THEIR DECISION. I WOULD SUPPORT THE DECISION ON LOT NUMBER TWO AND NOT APPROVE THE VARIANCE FOR LOT TWO.

THAT IS JUST MY POSITION. I WILL DEFER TO COMMISSIONER

BLOCKER. >> I APPRECIATE THAT MR. CHAIRMAN. I RECOGNIZE THE UNIQUE CHALLENGES ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM PVZAR AGAIN. MR. CHAIRMAN? IF I COULD ASK A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION?

>> YES MA'AM. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> JANE ROWLANDSON. >> QUESTION FOR YOU.

OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS SOME DISAGREEMENT ON LOT ONE.

WHAT IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE WITH THE BOARD TO HAVE A SEPARATE MOTION? DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT?

>> BY THE WAY WE DID NOT HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH BUILDING TWO HOMES. WE UNDERSTAND THESE ARE TWO PLATTED LOTS. THE HOMEOWNER HAS EVERY RIGHT TO BUILD THOSE TWO HOMES. WE DID NOT CONSIDER THAT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS PRESENTED. ON LOT NUMBER TWO THERE WAS NO DISAGREEMENT ON THE DENIAL. WE REALLY DID NOT STRUGGLE WITH LOT 1. THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION SOME OF US DID SAY WE FELT IT WAS NONCONFORMING AND THEY DID HAVE A HARDSHIP.

SEVERAL OF US DID TALK ABOUT THAT AND THEN WE TOOK A VOTE.

IT ACTUALLY CAME DOWN 3 TO 2. IF WE WOULD'VE HAD 1/4 IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN APPROVAL ON LOT NUMBER ONE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST FOUR VOTES OF YES.

BECAUSE IT WAS THREE TO IT WAS TECHNICAL DENIAL.

WHEN AN APPLICANT OR HOMEOWNER CREATES A HARDSHIP IT IS NOT CONSIDERED A HARDSHIP WITH A CAPITAL H FOR THE ATTORNEYS IN THE ROOM. THEY BUILT THAT SWIMMING POOL SO THAT IS NOT WHEN THEY HAVE TO MOVE.

I WANTED TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR.

I THINK THE FINANCIAL BURDEN IS ABOUT $6000 ON THAT PROPERTY.

I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. >> OKAY, THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES THIS FAMILY IS GOING THROUGH.

I UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS NOT PRESENTED IT COULD HAVE BEEN CONFUSING. THEY CAN BUILD TO A DIFFERENT SPECIFICATION.T MAY MAKE ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS UNHAPPY.

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MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ON THAT.

I AM WILLING TO MAKE SEPARATE MOTIONS.

I MIGHT NEED SOME HELP. I'M GOING TO READ THIS AND THEN REFERENCE EACH ONE OF THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.

MOTION TO DENY PENDING APPLICATION 21 ÃPONTE VEDRA TO DENY THIS ZONING. [INAUDIBLE].

LOT NUMBER ONE, IS THAT SUFFICIENT?

>> IS THE MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL?

>> LOT NUMBER TWO, I AM SORRY. IS THAT SUFFICIENT?

>> YES. >> I THINK IT WAS 20 FEET ON LOT NUMBER TWO AND 24 FEET ON LOT NUMBER ONE.

>> YOU ARE CORRECT. DO I NEED TO RESTATE THAT?

>> NO, I WILL SECOND. >> ARE WE CLEAR ON THE MOTION?

>> YES. >> LOT NUMBER TWO.

>> A MOTION TO UPHOLD THE PVZAB DECISION FOR LOT NUMBER TWO. 20 FEET.

WE HAVE THAT MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0.

>> LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THROUGH THIS.

MOTION TO APPROVE APPLICATION 21 Ã05 HOOKS THRANHARDT REBUILD. OVERTURNING THE DECISION OF THE PUD 2021-09 ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD AND APPROVING THE LOTS TO ALLOW A FRONT YARD SETBACK OF 24 FEET FOR LOT 1.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

[5. Public Hearing * REZ 2021-29 Volusia Woods. Request to rezone approximately 5.24 acres of land from Residential, Single Family (RS-3) to Workforce Housing (WH) to allow for a residential subdivision that will consist of u p to 36 single-family homes. The subject property is located on an unaddressed parcel with frontage on North Volusia Street, Josiah Street, North St. Johns Street, and Helen Street. This request was heard by the Planning and Zoning Agency at their regularly scheduled public hearing on December 16, 2021, and was unanimously recommended for approval with a vote of 6-0. A discussion was made regarding the access to all lots and the applicant pointed out that all lots will have road front access. There was no public comment. ]

LOT NUMBER ONE. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. OKAY THAT COMPLETES ITEM NUMBER THREE.

FOUR IS WITHDRAWN LET'S DO NUMBER FIVE.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN I HAVE KNOWN. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> DID WE NOT TALK ABOUT THIS? [LAUGHING] ON THURSDAY, JANUARY 13 PROBABLY UNTIL ABOUT 1220. WE DISCUSSED THE APPLICATION IN

FRONT OF US TODAY. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 11 AT ROUGHLY 1120 WE DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT. IT WOULD BE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. WAS SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO

QUALIFY FOR THIS HOUSING. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> JANUARY 13 AT APPROXIMATELY 10:40 AM I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR WHO DISCUSSED THIS. HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND IT WOULD BE 100 PERCENT WORKFORCE HOUSING.

>> ON THURSDAY THE 13TH I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH KAREN TAYLOR. REGARDING THE PROJECT AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS A PROJECT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN IF I COULD GIVE A BRIEF PERIOD I ALSO DID SPEAK ON THURSDAY THE 13TH. MS. TAYLOR AND I HAD A SEPARATE MEETING. THIS WAS BROUGHT UP TO ME IN RELATIONSHIP TO WORKFORCE HOUSING.

>> THANK YOU. >> MS. TAYLOR?

>> THANK YOU, GOOD MORING. KAREN TAYLOR 77 SARAGOSSA STREET. UNFORTUNATELY, NONE OF MY CLIENTS WERE ABLE TO COME TODAY.

TWO OF THEM BECAUSE OF COVID AND ONE OF THEM BECAUSE OF A BACK SITUATION. SO, I AM KIND OF ON MY OWN LIKE I WAS. I DID SNEAK THIS IN ON YOU ALL AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK AT THIS.

THIS IS REZONING FROM RS THREE TO WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR MAJMOD 2020-07 TOLOMATO RIVER FARMS PUD IS ONE FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.

--THIS IS REZONING FOR VOLUSIA WOODS.

CURRENTLY IT HAS SIX PLATTED LOTS.

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ON THE 5.24 ACRES. THIS IS JUST TO BE AERIAL TO GIVE YOU A RELATIONSHIP TO KING STREET.

16 HOMES BOULEVARD. JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHERE THIS IS, NEAR THAT ROUNDABOUT. AROUND THIS ARE LOTS THAT ARE PLATTED THAT WORRIEDLY LOT SMALLER THAN THESE PARTICULAR LOTS. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS READ DENTAL D ALLOWS FOR UP TO 13 UNITS PER ACRE.WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING 6.9 UNITS PER ACRE ON THE 5.24 WITH 36 UNITS.

IT IS SURROUNDED BY SIMILAR LAND-USE AS WELL AS THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. REZONING RIGHT NOW IS RS THREE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR 75000 SQUARE-FOOT LOT WITH A 75 SQUARE FOOT FRONTAGE. THAT WOULD NOT GIVE THE BENEFIT THAT HABITAT WOULD APPRECIATE AND BEING ABLE TO BUILD THESE UNITS. WE DO HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED. THIS WOULD BE JOSIAS STREET.

NORTH ST. JOHN'S. THIS IS HELEN.

WE ARE USING THOSE STREETS AS THEY EXIST SO THIS BECOMES A PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. PUTTING IN A SEPARATE STREET DOWN THE CENTER. THIS WOULD BE A RE-PLAT.

WE DO HAVE TO PROVIDE THE DRAINAGE.

WE DO HAVE CENTRAL WATER AND SEWAGE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. I WILL NOT GO THROUGH THIS, AGAIN, HABITAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPING FOR A WHILE.

THEY'VE DONE 154 HOMES, CANOPY OAKS HAS 18 AFFORDABLE HOMES WHICH IS NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE. THEY RANGE FROM 1100 TO 1300 SQUARE FEET. 2 TO 3 BEDROOMS. HABITAT, JUST TO GIVE THEM THEIR KIND OF THING, ANYBODY THAT DOES WANT TO BUY A HOUSE THERE PAYMENTS ARE ESTABLISHED AT 30 PERCENT OF THEIR MONTHLY GROSS INCOME.

THEY HAVE TO LIVE AND WORK IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FOR AT LEAST A YEAR. THEIR INCOME HAS TO FALL BETWEEN THE 30 AND 80 PERCENT OF MEDIAN INCOME.

THEY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE A NEED FOR HOUSING.

LAST, EACH ADULT HAS TO PROVIDE 250 SWEAT EQUITY HOURS ON THE HOME. THAT IS VOLUSIA STREET AND JOSIAS STREET NEUHAUS IS GOING INTO THE NORTH.

THIS IS NORTH ST. JOHN'S STREET.

THERE IS ACTUALLY SOME HOUSES BEING BUILT IN THAT AREA.

LOOKING AT THE SITE THIS WOULD BE ON YOUR LEFT.

THAT IS THE INTERSECTION WITH HELENA STREET.

AGAIN, ALONG HELEN STREET THESE ARE A FEW PICTURES OF CANOPY OAKS.JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY WILL BE BUILDING HERE. THE REQUEST IS TO DO THAT WE HAVE CENTRAL, WATER, AND SEWER. WE FEEL IT IS VERY COMPATIBLE IT IS ALSO NEAR SCHOOLS, PARKS AND THE FIRE STATION.

IT HAS REALLY GOOD ACCESS FOR EITHER TRAVELING BY CAR, BUS, ANY AVAILABILITY. WE DO FEEL THAT THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE COMPATIBLE. THIS USE WOULD BE AS WELL.

IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE DID RECEIVE A RECOMMENDATION BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY FOR APPROVAL AND WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL TODAY. BUT THAT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER

ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

PUBLIC COMMENT? >> WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE COME

FORWARD AT THIS TIME. >> TIM COMPOS.

36 OLIVINE COURT. COUNTY DISTRICT 3. I JUST WANT TO SAY I WELCOME THIS NEW HOME DEVELOPMENT FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I CONSIDER THIS SOMETHING MUCH-NEEDED IN THIS COUNTY. I CURRENTLY WORK AS A TEACHER IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.

WHAT I SEE OF THE STRUGGLES OF SCHOOLTEACHERS JUST TRYING TO MAKE ENDS MEET, I THINK THIS IS A VERY HUMANITARIAN AND GOODWILL DEED FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

TO SHOW OUR SUPPORT FOR OUR TEACHERS ALONG WITH POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS. AS A FORMER RETIRED FIREFIGHTER MYSELF, I THINK THIS IS A LOT OF GOOD NEWS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR.

[02:35:02]

>> I AGREE. [INAUDIBLE].

HABITAT FOR HUMANITY DOES TREMENDOUS WORK.

IT IS A TREMENDOUS GROUP AND THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB.

WE NEED MORE OF THIS. THIS HELPS TO RIGHT A WRONG IN OUR COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE WAY THAT IT IS WRITTEN NOW WITH THIS PREFERENCE FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ONLARGE ACREAGES, IT IS SEGREGATION .

THAT HAS CAUSED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS.

IT IS NOT SO MUCH OF THE BUILDERS, IT IS THE COMMISSIONERS IN THE PAST AND THEIR FINITE WISDOM HAVE GIVEN US WERE WORKING PEOPLE CANNOT FIND HOUSES.

BECAUSE OF THE ZONING THAT VIOLATES THE FAIR HOUSING ACT.

I THOROUGHLY SUPPORT THIS.ALL THE PEOPLE WORKING ON ONE HABITAT HOUSE WERE WOMEN. IT IS A TREMENDOUS GROUP.

A VERY WORTHY CAUSE. >> THANK YOU SIR.

ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLICCOMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE ? SEEING NO ONE, CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> I AM NOT SURE THE APPLICANT WANTS TO REVIEW ANY OF THAT.

IS THERE A MOTION? >> YES.

MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2022 ÃONE APPROVING REZONING 2021 Ã 29, VOLUSIA WOODS. A REQUEST TO RE-ZONE APPROXIMATE 5.2 ACRES OF LAND FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY RS THREE TO WORKFORCE HOUSING. TO ALLOW FOR THE RESIDENTIAL

[6. Public Hearing * REZ 2021-31 Freedom Boat Club. Request to rezone approximately 1.62 acres of land from Residential, Mobile Home (RMH) to Commercial, Highway and Tourist (CHT) to allow for a boating facility. The Planning and Zoning Agency voted 6-0 to recommend approval of this rezoning. ]

SUBDIVISION THAT WILL CONSIST OF UP TO 36 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. BASED UPON WHAT WAS PROVIDED IN

THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> A MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. MS. TAYLOR, NUMBER SIX.

>> KAREN TAYLOR. >> THURSDAY, JANUARY 13 APPROXIMATELY 10:30 AM I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR AND MARK TO DISGRACE THE FREEDOM BOAT CLUB. WE DISCUSSED THE REZONING TO ALLOW FOR BOATING FACILITY PRESERVATION OF EXISTING TREES

AND VARIOUS OTHER DETAILS. >> ON JANUARY 11 AT 11 AM I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR AND MARK AND STAFF.

WE DISCUSSED THE NEED TO REZONE THIS PIECE ABOUT WHY WE DISCUSS HOW MANY BOOKS WOULD BE ALLOWED.

HOW MANY BOOKS MIGHT BE IN THE DRYDOCK AND WHY THIS LOCATION

WAS CHOSEN. >> I WILL GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT ON THURSDAY THE 13TH, AROUND 2 PM I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR AND MARK. WE TOUCHED ON ALL OF THE ITEMS. PLUS I PROBABLY SPENT TOO MUCH TIME REGALING ABOUT MY 16 AND A HALF FOOT --THING TO THEM. I AM LUCKY TO BE ALIVE.

[LAUGHING] >> ON JANUARY 13 AT 12:00 I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR AND MARK. PRETTY MUCH THE SAME WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. WE SPOKE ABOUT THE PROJECT, LOCATION AND NEED FOR REZONING. WE TALKED ABOUT HOW FREEDOM BOAT CLUB IS GROWING EVERYWHERE AND IS A VERY NOVEL IDEA.

OUR NEED FOR THE MARINAS IN THE AREA.

ALSO, IN ANOTHER MEETING THEY SAID THEY WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT.

HE IS LEAVING FOR THE MARINA. [LAUGHING]

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. ON THURSDAY JANUARY 13 AT APPROXIMATELY 1:30 PM WITH KAREN TAYLOR AND MARK WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. ALSO, THE ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE IMPACT OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF RESIDENTS LIVING HERE. THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

>> AGAIN, KAREN TAYLOR -- AND MARK IS HERE THAT REPRESENTS FREEDOM BOAT CLUB. THIS IS THE REQUEST TO REZONE FROM OUR MH RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME OR COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TAURUS WHICH IS APPROPRIATE SELLING CATEGORY.

HERE IS THE LOCATION. WE HAVE US ONE.

312 NEXT BOATYARD ROAD. YOU CAN SEE THIS IN THE SEBASTIAN RIVER THAT GOES HERE. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST YOU

[02:40:05]

KIND OF ASKED HOW THAT RELATES. I KIND OF PUT THE SLIDE IN HERE FOR YOU TO SHOW HOW IT COMES INTO THE INTERCOASTAL.

YOU HAD SOME QUESTION ON IF YOU HAD THOSE NUMBER OF BOATS WOULD BE AN ISSUE. THIS BRINGS YOU AND AND IT IS RIGHT BACK NEXT TO THIS. THAT WAS A MOBILE HOME PARK.

EVEN THOUGH THE ZONING DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THAT PARK IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG THAT IT WAS A NONCONFORMING USE.

SO, THIS IS A PART OF THAT PARTICULAR PARK.

THE SITE ITSELF IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT.

THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST IS ALSO A PART OF THIS PROJECT. IT DOES NOT NEED REZONING.

THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE LAND USE AND THE DIFFERENCES.

WE KNOW THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE KIND OF DARTS IN AND OUT HERE BETWEEN THE COUNTY PROPERTIES.

WE ARE IN THE COUNTY. THIS SHOWS YOU THE EXISTING ZONING THE CHT ON THE PARCEL. AGAIN, TO THE EAST THE IMMEDIATE PARCEL. BY THE WAY THESE ARE SERVED BY AN EASEMENT THAT ATTACHES TO THE BOATYARD.

THIS IS 1.62 ACRES. THE TOTAL REDEVELOPMENT IS 4.49 ACRES. THIS IS A SITE PLAN, IT MAY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT THAT THIS IS NOT A PART OF IT.

JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY KIND OF AN IDEA, IT KIND OF SHOWS THE DRY STORAGE BOAT FACILITIES. AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL DOCKAGE. BEING ABLE TO PUT THOSE BOATS OUT AND ACTUALLY HAVE SOME ARENA SPACE AS WELL.

PARKING AREAS TO THE SIDE, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE TREES THERE IS ACTUALLY PARKING IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA AS WELL.THAT WOULD BE UNPAID PARKING AND WORKING AROUND THE TREES.

A BIT CLOSER TO THAT IT SHOWS THE BOAT DROP AND THE DOCK OFFICE. A FEW PICTURES, THIS IS LOOKING WEST HOME DEPOT IS TOO ROBUST AND EFFICIENT BITES IS TO YOUR RIGHT. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ENTRANCE TO THAT EASEMENT. THE ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY.

IF YOU WENT STRAIGHT YOU WOULD GET THE CATSPAW MARINA.

THIS IS THE EASEMENT LOOKING BACK FROM THE SITE TO THE BOATYARD ROAD. A PICTURE FROM THE SITE.

KIND OF SHOWING YOU THE SITE WHICH IS KIND OF RAMMED BY THE TWO DIRT ROADS. THEY DID REMOVE SOME OF THE MOBILE HOMES AND THE SEPTIC TANKS AND THINGS WITH THE DEMOLITION. SO, YOU ARE NOT REALLY SEEING PICTURES OF THOSE. THIS ACTUALLY WAS A RAMP AT THE END OF THE STREET. THERE IS ACTUALLY NO WAY TO USE THAT. MAYBE YOU COULD USE A KAYAK OR SOMETHING ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THOSE TREES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKING IN BETWEEN. THIS IS MORE TOWARD THE WATERSIDE IT IS NOT ON THE PROPERTY BEING REZONED.

YOU CAN SEE CATSPAW MARINA TO THE SIDE.

YOU CAN SEE FROM THE END OF THE DOCK LOOKING BACK.

THE REQUEST IS FOR THE 1.62 ACRES TO COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TAURUS. WHICH ALLOWS FOR MARINAS AS WELL AS OTHER RESTAURANTS AND RV CAMPGROUNDS AND HOTELS AND MOTELS AND THINGS IT IS BASICALLY THE ONE THING THAT THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY THE ADJACEN LAND USES ARE THE EXISTING MARINA. ALSO, A DRY BOAT STORAGE FACILITY ONE OF THE OTHER PIECES OF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN SOLD TO BE ADDED TO CATSPAW AS WELL.

SO, IT IS KIND OF AN AREA FOR THIS.

THEY WILL PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE BUFFERS AND SCREENING TO WHAT REMAINS. AGAIN, WE FEEL IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA. IT CERTAINLY IS A BUSINESS AREA. IT DOES PROVIDE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE AREA. THE FREEDOM BOAT CLUB IS AN ORGANIZATION WHERE YOU BUY A MEMBERSHIP.

THEY ALSO HAVE IT FOR OTHER FOLKS.

IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAND

[02:45:02]

DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE ALSO GOT A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL BY PZA. WE ARE HERE TO REQUEST YOUR

APPROVAL. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OPENING IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX COME FORWARD.

SEEING HIM, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC,.

>> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS IS IN DISTRICT 5.

[INAUDIBLE]. NEVERTHELESS, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2022. REZONE 2021 Ã31 FREEDOM BOAT

[7. Public Hearing * PUD 2021-10 Albury Lore. Request to rezone approximately 12.98 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow for a maximum of 160,000 square feet of non-residential use s and a maximum of 250 hotel rooms. The Planning and Zoning Agency recommended approval 6-0 at their regularly scheduled November 18th, 2021 hearing.]

CLUB BASED UPON THE FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN

THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

APPROVED 5 TO 0. LET'S TRY TO DO NUMBER SEVEN.

I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE. [INAUDIBLE].

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. ON THURSDAY, JANUARY 13 AT APPROXIMATELY 2:30 PM I MET WITH A FEW OF THEM.

WE SPOKE ABOUT THE SCOPE AND ECONOMIC IMPACT IN THE AREA.

SOME OF THE NEED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

SPECIFICALLY WITH WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE VICINITY.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> SAME DAY, JANUARY 13 AT 12:30 PM. WE SPOKE ABOUT THE AREA SURROUNDING BUSINESSES. ALSO, NEED FOR HOTELS IN THAT AREA. SAME THING WITH HOSPITALS AND OTHER BUSINESSES COMING IN, THANK YOU.

>> ACTUALLY, ON WEDNESDAY THE 12TH I MET WITH THEM.

THE APPLICANTS, TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

BASICALLY, ALL OF THE POINTS THAT COMMISSIONER WALDRON SAID.

>> ON WEDNESDAY THE 12TH AT 3 PM I MET WITH THEM.

WE DISCUSSED THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE AREA AND THE SITE PLAN

AND TRAFFIC. >> ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 6 AT APPROXIMATELY 12 PM I ALSO MET WITH ALL OF THEM.

WE DISCUSSED THE HOSPITAL AND THE NEED FOR THE HOTEL.

I ALSO DROVE BY THE SITE AT A PROXIMALLY 4 PM TO LAID EYES ON

THE SITE. >> THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING.

TOM INGRAM 233 E. BAY STREET JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA.

I AM HERE REPRESENTING THE LANDOWNER.

THIS PROJECT CALLED ALBURY LORE.

SOUTH OF IT TO TAB THE I 95 AND 210 INTERCHANGE.

THIS IS DISTRICT 5. THE ENTRANCE WILL BE OFF OF A NEW ROAD. IT WILL BE A FOUR-LANE SLOW SPEED UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW BY FOUR-STAR.

IT REPLACED THE OLD CE WILSON ROAD.

HERE IS ANOTHER MAP JUST SHOWING FROM OPEN WORLD TO PUD.

--OPEN WORLD TO PUD. WE WILL GET INTO THAT MORE.

HERE IS THE SITE OUTLINED IN THE COLOR BLOOPER TO THE NORTH AND EAST IS THE PROPOSED BRIDGEWATER PUD.

JUST OVER 800 UNITS OF TOWNHOMES UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

THE FIRST UNITS ARE BEING FINISHED UP NOW.

SOME OF THE ASPHALT HAS BEEN LAID ON THE ROAD.

TO THE SOUTH AND WEST IT IS CURRENTLY VACANT.

THERE IS COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TWIST AND IS DESIGNATED FOR A VARIETY OF HIGHER INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USES SUCH AS HOTELS, TRUCK STOPS. WE ANTICIPATE THERE MAY BE ANOTHER APPLICATION IN THE FUTURE COMING ON THAT.

TO THE WEST IS THE PILOT TRAVEL CENTER.

TO THE NORTHWEST OF US IS THE RPM AUTOMOTIVE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THIS SITE IS MIXED-USE.

IT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED THAT WAY FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

I THINK THAT WAS A PART OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGNATIONS THE COUNTY DID WHEN IT ADOPTED ITS FIRST FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

[02:50:03]

THE PROPOSAL IS TO DO A MIX OF NONRESIDENTIAL USE OF THE MAXIMUM HUNDRED 60,000 SQUARE FEET, COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USES. ALSO TO HAVE A HOTEL WITH MAXIMUM OF 250 HOTEL ROOMS ON THE SITE.

THAT COULD BE TWO DIFFERENT HOTELS, JUST TO CLARIFY.

UP TO 12,000 SQUARE FEET OF ANCILLARY USES SUCH AS HOTEL, RESTAURANT. THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

SOME OF THE NONRESIDENTIAL AND MIXED-USE.

THIS SITE IS NOT IN ANY DESIGNATED FLOOD ZONE.

.18 ACRES OF WETLANDS ON THE SIDE, RELATIVELY LOW.

WE DO EXPECT THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED.

HERE IS THE SITE PLAN. THE DEVELOPMENT IS ORIENTED TOWARD THE PARKWAY. THERE IS NO FRONTAGE ON IT TO 10. -- ON 210. WE BELIEVE THIS IS PEOPLE COMING TO VISIT FAMILY THAT LIVE IN NORTH ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS IS NOT THE TOURISM HOTSPOT. THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE SOUTHEAST. WE EXPECT THIS IS MOSTLY FOLKS COMING TO THE AREA THAT HAVE CONNECTIONS TO THE LAND HERE.

ALSO, WE HAVE ASCENSION HOSPITAL WHICH IS EXPECTED TO OPEN THIS YEAR. MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT THE SERVICES AND NUMBER OF BEDS AND STUFF, IF IT IS ANY INDICATION BAPTIST SOUTH WENT FROM RELATIVELY SMALL HOSPITAL LIKE ASCENSION ST. JOHNS TO NOW BEING A MAJOR MEDICAL CENTER.

I THINK WE ALL HOPE THAT IT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW.

OTHER THAN THE HOTELS MIX OF USES BEING OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL. WE EXPECT THE COMMERCIAL USES WILL BE ORIENTED TO E SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AREA.

THERE IS NOT THE TYPE OF FRONTAGE YOU HAVE IN THE NORTH TO TRY TO GET TOURISM TYPE TRAFFIC.

THE RESTAURANTS, OFFICE, MEDICAL OFFICE, THAT TYPE OF

THING. >> IT WAS A SMOOTH PROCESS WITH STAFF. THE ONLY CHANGE WAS TO ADD THE INTERCONNECTIVITY TO THE SOUTH AND WEST.

WE HAVE DRIVEWAY ACCESS TO THE PARCEL TO THE SOUTH AND ALSO

PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION. >> THERE'S ONE WAIVER AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE SPACE BETWEEN PARKING AND THE ROAD FRONTAGE AND TOWARD THE HOTEL. WE'RE ASKING TO GO 20 FEET INSTEAD OF 10 FEET ALONG THE PARCEL AREA.

MOST IS FRONTED BY THE PARCEL OWNED BY THE FOUR STAR GROUP.

>> OKAY. HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU

MAY HAVE ON THIS. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> PUBLIC COMMENT? >> WE WILL NOW OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 7. PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 7.

SEEING NONE, CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. BASED ON THE NEW MAPS, THIS IS ACTUALLY NOW IN DISTRICT 5 NOT 1 AND SO I'M PREPARED TO MOVE TO

ENACT ORDINANCE 2022 -- >> 3.

[8. Public Hearing * CPA (SS) 2021-15 Wallace Property. Request for a Small Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the Future Land Use Map designation of approximately 8.16 acres of land from Rural/Silviculture (R/S) to Residential-A (RESA). Property is on an unaddressed parcel located on the north side of County Road 208 and approximately 0.076 miles east of County Road 1 3 North. This request was heard by the Planning and Zoning Agency (PZA) at their regularly scheduled public hearing on December 16, 2021, and was unanimously recommended for approval with a vote of 6 - 0 with an added text amendment that the site would be allowed only one unit. There was no public comment. ]

>> PUD 2021-10 BASED UPON THE NINE FINDINGS OF FACT AS

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 5-0. NUMBER 8.

THE WALLACE PROPERTY. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S EX PARTE.

>> YES, SIR. >> SCOTT CLAY, ST. AUGUSTINE, 30292. I AM REPRESENTING MR. WILLIAM WALLACE WILLIAMS III WHO IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION. THIS REQUEST SEEKS A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM RURAL SILV CULTURE TO RESIDENTIAL A.

THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS 8.16 ACRES THAT RUNS ALONG COUNTY ROAD 13 AND 208. APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST FOR

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COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON THE 8.16 ACRE PARCEL.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD 208 NEAR THE CORRECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 208 AND 13.

THE PARCEL CONSISTS OF 8.16 ACRES THAT RUNS NORTH 208 EAST OF COUNTY ROAD 13 AND 208. CURRENT ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY IS OPEN RURAL. THE CURRENT ZONING IS SUFFICIENT FOR OUR NEEDS AND WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR A REZONING.

THE RURAL CIVIL CULTURE AND REQUESTING FOR A RESIDENTIAL HOME TO BE BUILT ON THIS 8.16 ACRE PARCEL.

SINCE THE CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATION WILL NOT ALLOW A RESIDENCE ON LESS THAN 40 ACRES, IT CHANGED TO THE RESIDENTIAL A LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY WON'T ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON THE PARCEL. THIS SLIDE IS A PICTURE OF THE PEACEFUL BEAUTIFUL WOODED 8.16 ACRE PARCEL.

THIS IS AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR A GROWING FAMILY TO LIVE AND PARENT CHILDREN. HERE'S HOW HOME SITE MIGHT FIT ON THIS PARCEL. HERE'S AN AERIAL MAP.

THE PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IS CONSISTENT WITH AN ALREADY-EXISTING LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES THAT ARE COMMON ALONG COUNTY ROAD 208.

THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ACCOMMODATE A LARGE LOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMESTEAD LIKE THOSE FOUND ALL ALONG THIS EXISTING COMMUNITY.

HERE'S MORE SITE PHOTOS. FINALLY THIS PARCEL HAS BEEN USED AS PASTURE AND FARMLAND AND SHOWS THIS PARCEL ON AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR A HOME SITE. THIS PROJECT WAS HEARD IN FRONT OF PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCIA DECEMBER 16, 2021.

THE AGENCY RECOMMENDED 6-1 AND ADDED ONE DWELLING UNIT.

THIS CONCLUDES PRESENTATION. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

HOPE FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS >> PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> YES, SIR. AT THIS POINT WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 8.

IF YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY FORWARD.

SEEING NONE. WE ARE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT.

OKAY. >> I'M SORRY.

>> IS THERE A MOTION ON ITEM 8? >> YES CHAIRMAN.

I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2022-

>> 4. A REQUEST FOR A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 8.16 ACRES OF LAND FROM RURAL CULTURE RS TO RES A TO LIMIT TO ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT

BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND ON ITEM 8. PLEASE VOTE.

AND PASSES-5-0. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO.

WE HAVE ONE MORE LAND USE ITEM. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT UP AND

[9. Public Hearing * CPA (SS) 2021-17 Price Property. Request for a Small Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the Future Land Use Map designation of approximately 40.4 acres of land located at the southern terminus of Byrd Camp Road from Parks and Open Space (PKOS) to Rural/Silviculture (R/S). This request was heard by the Planning and Zoning Agency at their regularly scheduled public hearing on December 16, 2021 and was unanimously recommended for approval, 6-0. ]

THEN BREAK FOR A HALF-HOUR BREAK AND THEN COME BACK WHILE THEY WORK ON THE TECHNICAL ISSUES. COME BACK AND DO THE LITTER ORDINANCE AMENDMENT AND BEACH RENOURISHMENT PROJECT AFTER LUNCH AND COMMISSIONER REPORTS. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO NUMBER 9 AND TAKE A HALF-HOUR BREAK FOR THOSE HERE WANTING TO KNOW THE

SCHEDULE. >> IS THERE ANYONE HERE ON 9?

THE PRICE PROPERTY. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

COMMISSIONERS, JUSTIN KELLY WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

REPRESENTING THIS ITEM. ON BEHALF OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE PRICE FAMILY. EXCUSE ME I'M OUT OF BREATH.

[03:00:02]

I HAD TO RUN OVER HERE. SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION, EXCUSE ME, OF APPROXIMATELY 40 ACRES OF LAND FROM PARKS AND OPEN SPACE TO RURAL CIVIL CULTURE. THIS IS LOCATED SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 204. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED OPEN RURAL. THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS PARKS AND RECREATION OR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.

THE PROPOSES LAND USE IS RURAL SILV CULTURE.

IT WAS DESIGNATED OPEN SPACE I R REPORT.

THIS IS HOW TO DETERMINE HOW COMPREHENSIVE PLANS NEED UPDATING. THIS PROPERTY WAS DESIGNATE AS PARKS AND OPEN SPACE AND THE APPLICANT CAME IN LOOKING TO DO RESIDENTIAL USES AND THE COUNTY DECIDED THAT WE WOULD TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS OF GETTING IT CHANGED TO RURAL SILV CULTURE. THE PZA RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 6-0. THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WANTS TO ALLOW ONE DWELLING UNIT AND THAT IS ALL STAFF HAS.

THANK YOU. ANY

>> >> PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 9. PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 9.

CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY.

WE WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD. IS THERE A MOTION ON ITEM 9?

>> YES, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN.

MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2022-5.

>> 5. >> BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> IS THERE A >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

AND THAT PASSES 5-0. SO AT THI

[10 . Second Reading of Amendments to Litter Ordinance to Prohibit Release of Balloons and Sky Lanterns. At its December 21 , 2021 regular meeting, the Board of County Commissioners heard the first reading of proposed amendments to the litter ordinance, Ordinance No. 1988-26, to prohibit the release of balloons and sky lanterns. At present, only the release of 10 or more balloons is unlawful under Florida statute. The proposed amendments to Ord. 1988-26 would make the release of any number of balloons or sky lanterns a violation of the ordinance. The proposed amendments attached to this agenda item include additional recitals from the version heard at the December meeting. Supporting documentation relating to those additional recitals are also attached. ]

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL RECONVENE THE COMMISSION MEETING COME BACK TO ITEM 10 I BELIEVE.

BRAD. YOU READY TO PRESENT?

>> I AM. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

ITEM 10 IS A SECOND READING OF AMENDMENTS TO THE LITTER ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS BALLOONS, AND SKY LANTERNS.

THE BOARD HEAD THIS ITEM ON DECEMBER 21ST.

NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE BUT ADDITIONAL CHARGES HAVE BEEN MADE FOR RECITALS PROVIDING FURTHER BACK UP AND SUPPORT FOR THE DANGER OF BALLOONS AND SKY LANTERNS

>> THE KEY CHANGES WOULD BE TO ADD THE DEFINITION OF BALLOON AND SKY LANTERN AND MAKE IT UNLAWFUL TO RELEASE BALLOONS OUTSIDE EXCEPT FOR GOVERNMENT RELEASED BALLOONS AND INDOOR RELEASES OF BALLOONS. AND THEN DID RECEIVE SOME ADDITIONAL CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE MAIN PROPONENT OF THE ORDINANCE WHICH LEAD TO THOSE CHANGES TO THE FINDINGS OF FACT.

I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. AND THAT WOULD BE THE REQUESTED MOTION IF THE BOARD IS INCLINED TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AND I

STAND BY FOR QUESTIONS. >> IF THERE ARE NO BOARD QUESTIONS, WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME, WE ARE OPENING UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 10. IF YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

MS. >> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD. >> AS WE DID WITH THE PZA APP MEMBERS. I WILL ALLOW HER 10 MINUTES.

>> FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, I GOT IT IN UNDER THREE.

I WILL SLOW IT DOWN A BIT. >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK 10

MINUTES. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF BECAUSE YOU'RE REPRESENTING A

LARGE COMMUNITY. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE MORE AIR. OKAY.

NICOLE CROSBY. WHEN YOU VOTE ON THIS ORDINANCE, PLEASE RECALL THE LARGE STACK OF SIGNED PETITIONS FROM RESIDENTS COUNTY WIDE THAT YOU SAW A COUPLE MONTHS AGO SHOWING SUPPORT. HERE'S ANOTHER HUNDRED PEOPLE KEEP BRINGING THEM TO US. I WILL ADD THAT TO THE STACK.

JUST ASKING YOU TO JOIN THE SIX LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE

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PASSED BALLOON RELEASE BANS. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW THERE'S SAINT AUGUSTINE. SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH.

FERN DINA AND THE CITY OF MARINE PASSED IT.

11 BEACHES IN PALM BEACH COUNTY AND SEVERAL IN BROWARD HAVE PASSED SUCH A BAN. EVEN THE TRADE ORGANIZATION FOR THE BALLOON INDUSTRY, THE BALLOON COUNCIL HAS BEEN TELLING US FOR YEARS WE SHOULD STOP RELEASING THEIR PRODUCT OUTDOORS. WE TRULY HAVE NO OPPOSITION TO THIS. SOME OF YOU HAVE ASKED IS THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE ENFORCEABLE? I ACTUALLY JUST WANTED, I'M SORRY, FORGOT TO POST REALLY QUICK JUST A REFERENCE TO THE 11 PALM BEACH COUNTIES THAT HAVE AN ORDINANCE AND SIGNS AND THE BALLOON COUNCIL ALSO THAT SAYS THE BALLOON SHOULD NOT BE RELEASED. ANYWAYS, SOME OF YOU ASKED IS OUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE ENFORCEABLE AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS ASSURED US YES IT IS. BUT ANOTHER QUESTION TO ASK IS, IS THE CURRENT STATE STATUTE ENFORCEABLE? AND IN FACT, IT'S ABSOLUTELY UNENFORCEABLE AND HAS BEEN FOR 32 YEARS FOR THREE REASONS. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ENUMERATE THEM. IF YOU SHOP FOR THESE STRETCHY BALLOONS. I WANT TO SAY LATEX BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY LATEX. IF YOU SHOP IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, YOU WILL NOT FIND ANY LABELED BIODEGRADABLE.

I HAVE LOOKED PRETTY CARD. YOU HAVE TO ORDER AT A VERY HIGH PRICE. HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN BUY LOCALLY.

ONES LABELED LATEX, WHICH IS USUALLY BLENDED WITH OTHER CHEMICALS OR THESE NOT LABELED AT ALL WHICH MEANS THEY ARE SYNTHETIC. THEY ARE MADE IN CHINA AND HAVE NO WAY OF VERIFYING WHAT THEY ARE.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW MAKING THE STATUTE UNENFORCEABLE.

WHAT THEY'RE MADE OF SHOULDN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL DEADLY AND ALL EXPLODE AT HIGH ALTITUDES AND RESEMBLE JELLY DISH, THE DIET OF SEA TURTLES HAD THEY COME DOWN.

ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT GET UP TO 30,000 FEET.

INCREDIBLY, STATE STATUTES ALLOWS BIODEGRADABLE BALLOONS TO BE RELEASED WITHOUT STRINGS AND THAT'S PROVEN TO BE COMPLETELY UNENFORCEABLE. NOW HERE'S THE THIRD WAY THE STATE STATUTE IS UNENFORCEABLE. IT SAYS INDIVIDUALS CAN RELEASE UP TO NINE BALLOONS A DAY AND CANNOT ORGANIZE A BALLOON RELEASE. HOW DOES AN OFFICER KNOW A GROUP OF PEOPLE RELEASING BALLOONS ARE DOING SO OF THEIR OWN VOLITION OR OF THEIRON PERSON? ARE THEY GOING TO SCOUR SOCIAL MEDIA LOOKING FOR A PERP? OF COURSE NOT.

THEY WOULD SEE THE ALLOWABLE NUMBER OF PEOPLE RELEASING AN ALLOWABLE NUMBER OF BALLOONS. IT'S TIME FOR A SIMPLE, UNDERSTANDABLE ENFORCEABLE LAW. OCEANA AND METANSIS RIVER DEEPER SUPPORT THIS. YOU HAVE SEEN THEIR LETTERS.

I THINK IT'S REALLY QUITE REMARKABLE THAT OCEANA IS ACTUALLY THE ONLY NON-PROFIT IN THE WORLD THAT FOCUSES SOLELY ON OCEANS. AND THEY HAVE COME HERE TO HELP THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THEY RECOGNIZE THAT FLORIDA HAS 90% OF SEA TURTLE NESTS IN FLORIDA.

WE HAVE 42 MILES OF COAST LINE. SO WE REALLY HAVE TO PLAY OUR ROLE IN HELPING TO PROTECT FLORIDA'S COAST LINE.

NOW THIS IS VERY INTERESTING. GTM RESERVE HAS JUST RECENTLY POSTED A SIGN AT THEIR BEACHES. THIS IS A HUGE SIGN.

THIS LITTLE COPY DOESN'T DO IT JUSTICE.

THE SIGN IS ABOUT PROTECTING SEA TURTLES AND INCLUDES THE WORDS NEVER RELEASE BALLOONS. WITH THE GTM 76,000 PLUS ACRES OF COASTAL LANDS, DON'T WE HAVE A DUTY TO JOIN GTM IN THE EFFORT TO PROTECT ENDANG ERRED -- ENDANGERED ANIMALS?

>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COMMISSION BLOCKER WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION AT THIS POINT?

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. CROSBY.

YOU DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING DID THE DANGER TO PILOTS

ANYTHING. >> TO PILOTS.

>> THE HELICOPTERS. >> YOU KNOW.

I ACTUALLY IN -- >> FOREIGN OBJECTS AND DEBRIS.

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>> IF MY FIRST ROUND, I TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT BALLOONS HAVE DOWNED A PLANE IN CALIFORNIA AND WE HAVE AN AIRPORT HERE OBVIOUSLY IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT BECAUSE I TOUCHED ON IT BEFORE AND I WAS AFRAID OF GOING OVER THE SAME THINGS TWICE.

YES. THAT IS DEFINITELY AN ISSUE IN

OUR COUNTY. >> ALSO POTENTIALLY A THREAT, THE NATIONAL GUARD AS AVIATION WING.

WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT. I WAS CURIOUS IF YOU BROUGHT IT

UP. >> I TRIED TO FIND OUT IF BALLOONS ARE NOT ALLOWED WITHIN CERTAIN LOCATION THAN MILITARY

AREAS. >> YOU KNOW THAT BETTER THAN ME.

>> I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF TRACK.

THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT ALSO. DANGER TO AIRCRAFT.

>> THE PLANE THAT WAS BROUGHT DOWN.

KILLED THE PILOT AND STARTED A LARGE FIRE.

SO IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED.

>> THANKS. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> MR. SLAVEN. >> I SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE.

AND IN THE WORDS THAT CHAIRMAN DEAN BEGAN THE MEETING WITH FROM REVEREND MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR.

IT'S ALWAYS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

AS GOVERNOR RUEBEN ASKED YOU TOLD CHAIRMAN DEAN 47 YEARS AGO, YOU GOT THE VOTES, SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP.

I WILL. THANK YOU.

>> BRILLIANT QUOTE. ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 10? PUBLIC COMMENT.

YES, SIR. MY NAME IS GIVE CROSBY.

I'M READING A STATEMENT BY DEIRDRE OMHAN.

>> I WAS THE CHAIR OF SURF RYDER WILL WE APPROACHED ELLEN GLASSER ABOUT AN ORDINANCE ABOUT THIS. SHE WAS IMMEDIATELY ON BOARD AND BROUGHT IT BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND PASSED NEARLY TWO YEARS AGO.

THE FINE IS $250 PER BALLOON UP TO A MAXIMUM FINE OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS. THE ORDINANCE ALSO BANS THE RELEASE OF SKY LANTERNS. I'M ESPECIALLILY PLEASED TO SO CALLED BIODEGRADABLE BALLOONS ARE NOT EXCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE. THESE LATEX BALLOONS CAN TAKE UP TO FOUR YEARS TO BREAK DOWN AND CAUSE INJURY TO ANIMALS.

I REACHED OUT TO MAYOR GLASSER TO SEE HOW ENFORCEMENT HAS BEEN GOING AND ASK ABOUT COMMUNITY RESPONSE AND HERE WAS HER REPLY.

FRANKLY I'M AWARE OF ANY CITATIONS BUT THIS HAS BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED. IT WAS LARGELY INTENDED TO HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE. CITATIONS WOULD BE DIFFICULT UNLESS THE CODE OFFICER OR POLICE WERE ACTUALLY PRESENT.

WE ALSO WARN AND EDUCATE BEFORE WE CITE AND BUSINESSES KNOW AND WE WARN FOLKS THEY CANNOT PLAN BALLOON RELEASES, THERE'S A DEFINITE PREVENTION BENEFIT AS WELL.

CONSIDERING ST. JOHNS COUNTY BORDERS SO MUCH COASTLINE AND HAS SUCH A LARGE AMOUNT OF BEACHES.

THIS BAN SHOULD BE APPROVED IN OUR COUNTY.

ALL RELEASED BALLOONS FALL BACK DOWN TO EARTH TO WREAK HAVOC ON THEIR LIVES. THEY ALSO BECOME ENTANGLED IN THEIR STRINGS. MYLAR BALLOONS WITH THE THIN METALLIC COATING CAN BE A FIRE HAZARD IF THEY GET CAUGHT UP IN THE POWER LINES. THE PUBLIC WILL BE THANKFUL WE ALERTED THEM TO THIS ISSUE. MANY ARE ALREADY AWARE OF THE HAZARDS OF BALLOONS TO WILDLIFE AND WANT TO SEE A BAN ENFORCED.

UNFORTUNATELY, SOME FOLKS DID NOT REALIZE THE NEGATIVE IMPACT BALLOONS CAN CAUSE TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND TO WILDLIFE.

THERE ARE SO MANY ALTERNATIVES TO RELEASED BALLOONS SUCH AS FLAGS, BANNERS, STREAMERS, CANDLE LIKE VIGILS AND MORE.

WE CAN EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT BALLOON RELEASE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON THIS MATTER.

DEIRDRE >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA

ITEM 10? >> SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> IS THERE A MOTION?

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>> IS THERE A MOTION? >> YES MR. CHAIRMAN.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION. MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2022

-- >> 6.

>> AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 1986-26 TO PROHIBIT THE OUTDOOR RELEASE OF BALLOONS AND SKY LANTERNS.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. >> MR. BLOCKER, I THINK YOU SAID 1986. IT'S

>> THANK YOU. I'M SORRY.

>> IS THERE A MOTION AND SECOND ON ITEM 10 PLEASE VOTE.

[11 . Bid No: 22-32; South Ponte Vedra Beach Dunes Restoration Project. St. Johns County is seeking to restore the dune and berm system along South Ponte Vedra Beach between County Range Monuments R-76 and R-103.5 through a dredging and beachfill project. The project consists of nourishing approximately 5 miles of beach and dune in South Ponte Vedra Beach. The design template calls for placement of approximately 670,063 cy of material, and includes a +0.50 ft / -0.25 ft tolerance. Material will be dredged from an offshore borrow site, Site N-3, utilizing a hopper dredge, and transported and placed on the beach between R-76 and R-103.5 to the permitted lines and grades shown on the drawings. The work also consists of tilling, dune planting, post and rope installation, vibration monitoring, and environmental monitoring. The completion date for beachfill and tilling is Jun e 30, 2022. Sealed bids were solicited in accordance with the SJC Purchasing Policy, and 4 bids were received. The lowest, responsive, responsible bidder was Weeks Marine, Inc., with a bid price of $12,856,640. Staff recommends Board approval to award Bid No: 22-32, and execute a contract with Weeks Marine, Inc. for completion of the work at a not-to-exceed amount of $12,856,640. The County’s financial advisor, PFM, solicited proposals to provide a fixed rate term (taxable), for a maturity of no longer than 10 years, u p to $19.0 million, to finance the cost of restoring the dune and berm system and paying the related costs of issuance. Of the 12 responses received, TD Bank provides the best combination of interest rate and terms most favorable to the County, including a call option to allow for prepayment of debt. The County’s financing team recommends TD Bank. ]

THAT IS -- PASSES 5-0. THANKS BRAD.

GOOD WORK. MS. CROSBY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION A YEAR OR SO AGO.

I THINK IT WILL BE VERY EFFECTIVE WILDLIFE AND PUBLIC SAFETY. OKAY.

NUMBER 11 I BELIEVE. OKAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAIRMAN DEAN COMMISSIONS, JESSE DUNN. DIRECTOR FOR OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET. AND AS WELL ALSO OVER PURCHASING AND CONTRACT MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS A GOOD PORTION OF THE DISCUSSION BROUGHT TODAY. THIS IS REALLY, WE CAN CERTAINLY GET INTO BUT THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF. THIS IS REALLY A RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD FROM THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WE HAD ON SEPTEMBER 21ST AND AT THAT TIME OUR COASTAL MANAGEMENT OPERATION SPECIFICALLY JOE G. PROVIDED AN OVER VIEW TO THE COMMISSIN IN WHICH ON THAT PROJECT THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BEACH ONE TIME SAND PLACEMENT PROJECT. THEY WERE FOUR ITEMS OF ACTION THAT CAME OUT OF THAT. FIRST WAS FOR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SOLICITATION OF THE CONSTRUCTION BIDS FOR THAT. TODAY WE WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION HERE WITH A STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

AS WELL, THE COUNTY FINANCING TEAM WAS PUT TOGETHER SO THAT IN THE EVENTS THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT WE WILL HAVE THE ASSOCIATED FINANCING.

THAT TOO IS READY FOR TODAY AND WILL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION. RELATED TO BRINGING AGAIN THE COST OF THE PROJECT AND THE FINANCING.

THE ONE AREA WE STILL WANTED TO AT LEAST TOUCH ON WAS THAT WE WOULD TALK ABOUT WHAT AN IMPLIED MILLAGE RATE WOULD BE BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO MSTU. A SER NADA BEACH AND SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BEACH MSTU. ALL DISCUSSION IS WHAT THOSE IMPLIED MILLAGE RATES WOULD BE BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW TODAY.

WANT TO EMPHASIZE FOR THE CERTAINLY THE PUBLIC THAT THE MILLAGE RATES ARE NOT ESTABLISHED TODAY.

THOSE ARE IF THEY ARE LEVIED, THEY ARE LEVIED AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT BEGINS THIS THIS SUMMER ABOUT MILLAGE RATES AND ULTIMATELY AS YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS, YOU DON'T ADOPT THOSE UNTIL SEPTEMBER. SO THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT OF TIME FOR DISCUSSION ON THE OVERALL WHAT THAT OVERALL PROJECT LOOKS LIKE IF IT MOVES FORWARD.

AND THEN FINALLY, THE COMMISSION HAD ASKED STAFF TO REVIEW THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT TO DETERMINE IF THIS PROJECT WAS ELIGIBLE THROUGH THAT PROGRAM. THE AMERICAN RESCUE ACT FINAL DOCUMENTS OR FINAL ELIGIBILITY CAME OUT A WEEK AGO LAST THURSDAY AND DOES NOT APPEAR AT THIS POINT THE ONE-TIME SAND PLACEMENT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE. HOWEVER I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THERE IS AN OUTSTANDING LEGISLATION KNOWN AS THE FISCAL RECOVERY INFRASTRUCTURE AND DISASTER RELIEF FLEXIBILITY ACT THAT WOULD FURTHER BRING IN THIS ARP MONEY AND WOULD HAVE, UNDER THE CURRENT LANGUAGE, THE ABILITY TO USE THIS FUNDING FOR AND IT'S VERY SPECIFIC. ADDITIONAL NATURAL DISASTER RESPONSE OPPORTUNITIES. SO AS WE MONITOR THAT ACT, THAT'S CERTAINLY A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSION.