[4. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2021-08 Bridle Ridge. MAJMOD 2021-08, Request for a Major Modification to the Bridle Ridge PUD (ORD 2010-42) revising the Master Development Plan to reflect changes of allowed uses in order to accommodate the addition of a new U-Haul facility. At the October 5th BCC meeting, the Applicant requested to be remanded back to the PZA due to modifications to the MDP Map and MDP Text relating to Right-Of-Way reservation and changes to the building layout. The item was reheard by the PZA on November 4th and received a recommendation to approve with a vote of 7-0. ]

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES FOUR ÃONE. THAT COMPLETES ITEMS ONE, TWO AND THREE. NOW WE MOVE INTO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

I BELIEVE KAREN IS HERE. >> GOOD MORNING, KAREN TAYLOR 77 -- THIS IS ONE THAT HAS COME BACK BEFORE YOU A NUMBER OF TIMES. THIS IS A PROMISE MY LAST.

>> I'M SORRY I THINK, LET ME GET MY HEAD STRAIGHT HERE THINK WE, THE SAP IS TO BE ALSO A QUASIJUDICIAL ITEM. LET'S GO THROUGH THE EX PARTE ANYTHING ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR?

>> YES, THANK YOU. I MET SEPTEMBER 23 12:30 PM WITH MS. KAREN TAYLOR AND HATCHER -- ST. PAUL WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT FROM THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, IMPACT ON SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENT AS WELL. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND SOME OF THEIR OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT FOR THIS.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> SEPTEMBER 30 AT 12:00 PM I MET WITH MS. KAREN TAYLOR, AND HATCHER AND -- WE SPOKE ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE HEIGHT, THE FDOT RIGHT AWAY AND THE HEIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD AND SILVERLEAF DEVELOPMENT AND IT WAS

COMPARABLE AT THE TIME. THAT IS IT. >> OKAY COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST. >> SEPTEMBER 30 I MET WITH 11:00 AND KAREN TAYLOR, ED HATCHER AND -- AT THE OFFICE WE DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF THE AREA, THE COMPATIBILITY, SOME

OF THE WAIVERS AND TRAFFIC. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

>> NONE. >> OKAY AND I ON SEPTEMBER 30 AT 2:30 PM, MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR, ED HATCHER AND -- ST. PAUL TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED APPLICATION.

TRAFFIC IMPACT, INGRESS AND EGRESS OF THE PROJECT. I THINK THAT PRETTY WELL COVERS

THE CONCERNS. MS. TAYLOR? >> THANK YOU.

AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, KAREN TAYLOR, WITH ME IS BRIAN MAN, ED HATCHER WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE BUT HE GOT CALLED AWAY TODAY. AND WELCOME TO THE NEW COMMISSIONER. I BEEN IN YOUR PLACE BEFORE. [LAUGHTER] AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALREADY COME OUT STRONG. LOOKING GOOD! AND I APOLOGIZE THAT WE DID NOT MEET WITH YOU BUT IT WAS A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME.

JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND THAT EVERYBODY ELSE HERE CERTAINLY KNOWS ABOUT.

THIS WAS ALSO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT WHICH WAS APPROVED IN OCTOBER.

SO THIS IS THE MAJOR MODIFICATION TO A PUD THAT EXISTED PRIOR TO THAT.

JUST AN IDEA OF LOCATION, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SILVERLEAF THIS MORNING.O WE ARE KIND OF IN THE SAME GENERAL LOCATION WHERE THE CORNER OF 16 AND 16 A AND YOU CAN SEE INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARK WHERE THE CITY ROAD. GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, YOU CAN SEE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IMMEDIATELY AROUND IT AND THE INTERSECTION HAT WAS COMPLETED, EVEN THOUGH THESE ARE OLDER AERIALS ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.

JUST FOR THE LAND USE, IT IS THE FUTURE LAND USE IS, RURAL COMMERCIAL.

AGAIN, THAT WAS FROM WHEN WE DOING BOTH OF THESE TOGETHER. AND THE IDEA WAS TO ADD THE COMMERCIAL TO A PORTION OF IT AND LEAVE THE RURAL COMMERCIAL TO WHAT YOU CONSIDER IS COMMUNITY, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL C WHICH IS SILVERLEAF THAT ALSO INCLUDES COMMERCIAL. AS WELL AS DRI. THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT,

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AND PUDS IN THE AREA WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE SECTOR SO IS NOT UNUSUAL.

YOU CAN SEE THE SITE FROM THAT. THE ADJACENT ZONING, WHICH IS EITHER A WAR OR PUD.

THIS IS THE SITE, 13.55 ACRES TOTAL. IT'S BEEN A FIELD FOR MANY YEARS, CATTLE GRAZING, AND THIS WAS A SITE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

AND AGAIN, I MAY HAVE GIVEN THE WRONG -- ANYWAY, THE REQUEST WAS TO CHANGE LAND USE, I THINK WHICH WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, THIS IS THE APPROVED PUD MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SHOWS THAT ORIGINALLY, IT'S FOR ABOUT 70,000 SQUARE FEET CONVENIENCE AND THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY NEVER DEVELOPED. THIS WAS THE CHANGE FOR THE GENERALIZED SITE PLAN.

THAT WE ARE REQUESTING AND IT IS FOR A U-HAUL FACILITY. ON THE FRONT PORTION WHICH IS 155,000 FOUR STORY, STORAGE AND WE DO HAVE AN ALLOWABLE HEIGHT OF 50 FEET FOR THE MAIN FRONT BUILDING. AGAIN, THIS IS THE MAJOR MODIFICATION THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN TO THIS AND AGAIN, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE OLDER SITE PLAN THAT I'M SHOWING YOU. LET ME GRAB THE NEW ONE. I MUST'VE BROUGHT THE WRONG POWERPOINT FOR THIS PRESENTATION. BASICALLY THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THIS HAD TO DO WITH THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE DOT AND THE COUNTY ALONG 16 AND AS YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE 16 HERE THAT CONTINUES ON AND 16 A HERE.

ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY CAUSED US TO MOVE THIS BACK. DURING THAT TIME, YOU WILL DECIDED THEY WANTED TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING AND TAKE SOME OF THE CONTAINER TYPE STORAGE THAT THEY DO OUT AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE BACK HERE TODAY.

A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO IT. ONE OF THE -- THE BUILDING WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, THIS ADDITIONAL BUILDING. WE'VE ALSO HAD A SEPARATION HERE, WE ADDED FENCING, ALONG WITH THAT WE DO HAVE THE 30 FOOT SCENIC EDGE AROUND THE ROADWAYS, WE HAVE THE 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE ADJACENT TO THE OTHER PROPERTIES. THIS IS AN OUT PARCEL IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. BASICALLY, THIS IS THE CHANGES WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY.

AND I WOULD JUST KIND OF QUICKLY GO THROUGH. IF I CAN GO BACK TO THE -- JUST SOME PICTURES SHOWING KIND OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE AREA. WE DO HAVE THE ACE HARDWARE ACROSS THE STREET AND ITS GOING THROUGH EXPANSION RIGHT NOW. THIS IS FROM 16 A THIS IS 16 NORTH, 16 LOOKING AT THE INTERSECTION. A LITTLE BIT JUST, THEY DO PARTICIPATE WITH DESIGN STANDARDS AND THINKS OF THESE WERE JUST SOME THINGS IN THERE.

THE MAJOR MODIFICATION REQUEST GOES ALONG WITH THAT COMMERCIAL, AGAIN WITH THE WHOLE FACILITY IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA AND THE STORAGE FOR BOAT AND RV THAT WILL BE IN THE REAL COMMERCIAL AREA KIND OF LEAVES A BUFFER TO IT AND IS BASICALLY MORE NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA THE EXISTING ADJACENT HARDWARE, STORE AND IT IS COMPATIBLE AND ACTUALLY HAS A CONVENIENT PLAN FOR THAT AS WELL. WE HAD COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

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WITH ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? SAY NONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC

COMMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR. >> AT THIS TIME WE ARE OPENING UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NONE, WITH CLOSING

PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. >> IF THEY'RE NOT QUESTIONS I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ITEM NUMBER FOUR, VOLUME 1, TWO AND THREE.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021.

>> 94. >> MAJOR MODIFICATION 20 2108 -- SIX FINDINGS OF FACT IN THE

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STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES FIVE ÃZERO.E WILL TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS NOT A QUASIJUDICIAL WHEEL HERE FROM THE APPLICANT. GOOD MORNING, JUSTIN CLARK, 4021 PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD JACKSONVILLEBEACH . DOES THIS HAVE A POINTER ON IT? THE MOUSE? IS IT THE TOP BUTTON? OKAY. BEFORE I GET STARTED WITH, ON US BRINGING -- BACK IN HONOR OF THE SEASON I LIKE TO GIVE THANKS.

JUST THANKS FOR THE SEASON AND OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

THIS IS A BLESSED TIME, A BUSY TIME. BUT AT TIMES IT COULD ALSO BE LONELY. I AM THANKFUL FOR OUR CREATOR WHO LOVES US AND NEVER LEAVES US ALONE. PRESENTATIONS COME AND GO, PROJECTS COME AND GO BUT HIS WORD IS FOREVER. A NO DOUBT, WE ARE ALL BUSY AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR TIME HERE AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO SERVE. BUT FOR THOSE WHO FEEL ALONE, I PRAY THAT YOU GET COMFORT FROM FAMILY FRIENDS AND RANDOM GOOD NEIGHBOR THAT YOU ARE LOVED.

MERRY CHRISTMAS. THAT SAID, WE ARE LOOKING TO BRING FLEXI BACK BEFORE THE BOARD. TO CONTINUE OF A PROJECT WE'VE TAKEN TO THE BOARD BEFORE SOUTH OF THE HIGH SCHOOL ON US1 AND YOU CAN SEE DOWN HERE, THIS PROJECT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, WE CALL IT STERLING PLAZA. AND THE REQUESTS WERE MAKING TODAY IS REALLY THREE PARTS.

WE HAVE GOT BEFORE YOU, A HEARING OF REQUEST FOR A ROAD VACATION, ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

AND THEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT IT IS A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THEN ALSO, PUD. THAT SAID, WE ARE KEEPING TRAFFIC AFTERWARDS WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE CREATING JOBS IN THE COUNTY.

NOT JUST ADDING AD VALOREM TAX BUT ADDING COMMUNITY. OUR PROJECT IS WHAT WE CALL A KIND OF REINVENTING FLEX BASE AND BE SEEN IN THIS POST, I WOULD NOT CALL IT POST COVID ANYMORE THESE DAYS BUT IN THIS NEW ENVIRONMENT AND WE ARE, WHAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE REFERRED TO AS THE AMAZON EFFECT WORLD WHERE WHAT YOU HAVE IN SILOS IS NOT COMING TOGETHER IN UNDER ONE ROOF. WE ARE BRINGING TOGETHER IN SOME CASES, SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS WAREHOUSE OR LIGHT MANUFACTURING ASSEMBLY, E-COMMERCE, CORPORATE OFFICE, MAYBE SOME LIGHT RETAIL AS WELL. IT IS A VERY EXCITING TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL. IT IS NOT, IS NOT A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TYPE USE BUT MUCH MORE LIGHT AND FLEXIBLE AND SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO AND WHAT WE ARE BRINGING BEFORE YOU TODAY IS IT, WE TRY TO GET FLEXIBLE ON THE ZONING. AND WE OVER PARK TO THE EXTENT

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WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S COMING IN BUT THE IDEA IS THAT IT CAN KIND OF ROLE WITH THE TIMES AND PROVIDE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR SMALL BUSINESS TO AGAIN, STAY BUSINESSES ARE SOME OF THE USES WE'VE GOTTEN THE PROJECT WE PREVIOUSLY DONE.

THIS A LOOK AT THE ELEVATION AS WELL, IT'S A VERY CLEAN LOOK, BUT WE'VE GOT CORPORATE OFFICE, SOME FITNESS, WE'VE E-COMMERCE, AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TODAY.

TO START WITH IF I COULD, START WITH THE ROAD CLOSURE REQUEST. THIS IS A PORTION OF OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY. AND THE CULTURAL SURVEY AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF ANY ORIGINAL BRICK WERE ROAD THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY LAND OWNED BY THE SONIC GROUP WHICH IS, MANY PEOPLE KNOW -- LAND A REMNANT PIECE FOR THEM. THERE IS NO HISTORICAL OR ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES, THIS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ANY LISTING ON ANY NATIONAL REGISTRY.

THE ROAD IS NOT IN USE AND THERE IS NO SERVICES PROPOSED FOR FUTURE NEED.

AND SO WE PUT THIS BEFORE YOU FIRST AND I CAN STOP TALKING FOR A SECOND IF THERE'S ANY

COMMENT ON THAT AND THEN MAYBE ROLL INTO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> OKAY I'LL ROLL RIGHT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE REQUEST FOR THE CHANGE OF COMPETENCY PLAN IS FROM AGRICULTURAL AND RURAL WERE -- TO MIXED-USE DISTRICT. IF YOU NOTICE, -- OH BOY.

OH NO, SORRY. THAT IS A LOT OF SLIDES. THAT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA STRATEGICAL REGIONAL POLICY CREATING JOBS IN OUR BOOMING POPULATION. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE SECTION OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY HAS A PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND MULTIPLE POLICIES INCLUDING WORKING, SHOPPING, LEISURE ACTIVITIES.

ETIQUETTE BUFFERS, AND CONCLUSION IS CONSISTENT WITH GOALS, CONSISTENT WITH STRATEGIC POLICY, CAUSES NO HARM OR STRESS TO PUBLIC SERVICES OR FACILITIES LIMITS TO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND WE REQUEST THIS BE APPROVED. AND ON THE ZONING.

CHRIS PART OF ME APOLOGIZE. BEFORE WE GET TO THE ZONING THAT'S ITEM NUMBER SEVEN THAT IS QUASIJUDICIAL AND I FAILED TO ASK FOR EX PARTE DISCLOSURES.

LET'S TAKE A SECOND AND GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF BEFORE YOU GO TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

LET ME START IF I MAY WITH COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. WE WILL TAKE FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN. SEVEN IS QUASIJUDICIAL SO IF YOU HAVE ANY EX PARTE ON SEVEN.

>> NINE. >> COMMISSIONER? >> YES SIR.

ON THURSDAY, DECEMBER 2 AT TWO PUMA MET WITH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF IN THE OFFICE.WE DISCUSSED THE NATURE OF THE PROJECT TO THE BELT OF THE PROJECT LIKE THIS AND BRINGING

SMALL BUSINESSES TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. >> COMMISSIONER TRENT A QUICK QUESTION DECEMBER 2 430 PUMA MET WITH SINA VENUS, THE APPLICANT AND WE DISCUSSED LAND USE AROUND IT AND THE NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY. TO BE IN A SPACE WE NEED IN THE COUNTY WHERE PEOPLE CAN USE AND I THINK ALL WE DISCUSSED WAS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY GIVING UP THE

RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> THANK YOU. I MET ON THURSDAY NOVEMBER 29 POSSIBLY TO PM WITH MS. VENUS AND THE APPLICANT WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE IMPACT THE TROPIC IMPACT AND SMALL BUSINESS NEEDS AND THE SPECIFIC AREA AND HOW WOULD HELP MEET SOME OF THE NEEDS.

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KIND OF MODIFYING VARIETY OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA. >> THANK YOU.

>> NOVEMBER 29 AT 2:30 PM I ALSO MET WITH MS. VENUS AND DISCUSSED THE PARTICULAR PROJECT AND THE TRAFFIC ISSUES AND THAT WAS MY MEETING ON THAT DATE.

AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE INTERRUPTION BUT NOW WE ARE READY TO TAKE UP ANY COMMENTS

YOU HAVE OR PRESENTATIONS ON THE REZONING. >> YES SIR.

THE REZONING IS A REQUEST FROM EVEN THOUGH IT SHOWS UP ON THE MAP AS PART OF THE, BLUE IS PUD BEHIND HERE IT WAS PART OF, IT SHOWS UP AS PART OF THE PUD ERRONEOUSLY, BEING PART OF THE -- DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS LAND DIRECTLY BEHIND HERE. IT IS ACTUALLY OR.

THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AND AGREED TO WITH STAFF INTERCOUNTY IS A REQUEST FROM OR TO PUD OUR PUD IS A COMBINATION OF MIXED-USE, AND I'M SORRY, TOWNCENTER MIXED-USE AND PRIMARILY THAT AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE DISTRICT AND THE REASON WE COMBINE THOSE AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO RUN STRAIGHT ZONE, IS THAT AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT WE BUILD AND THE TYPE OF USERS THAT COME, WE NEEDED THOSE TO PULL TOGETHER TO MAKE FOR A GOOD COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT. THAT SAID, THE COMBINATION OF THE USES AND THE PUD IS, DOES ALLOW FOR MORE COMPREHENSIVE USE OF LAND THERE IS ONE REQUEST THAT WILL BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO, THERE ARE A FEW WAIVERS THE BEER IN ONE EXCEPTION IS NOT BECAUSE THERE IS A CHURCH OR SCHOOL WITHIN I THINK A THOUSAND FEET OF THIS SUBJECT SITE, IT IS NOT THERE WE JUST WANTED TO GET IN ADVANCE OF THAT IN CASE WE DID HAVE A USER WITH THE PARTICULAR USE IN MIND. THE OPEN SPACES REQUEST IF NEEDED WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE WETLANDS ON THE SITE, WE TRY NOT TO IMPACT THEM BUT IF WE DO WE WANT TO GO TO USE AS AN OPEN SPACE AMENITY AS OPPOSED TO COMING BACK FROM A FUTURE MODIFICATION TO THE PUD. THE BUILDING SETBACK BUFFER IS REALLY JUST IDENTIFIED ON THE SIDE RIGHT HERE. THERE IS AN AREA WHERE WE DO HAVE AN OPEN WORLD, THERE IS A RESIDENT WE REACHED OUT TO THEM. AND WE HAVE HAD NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM THEM TO DATE. AND WE DO PLAN ON PUTTING EIGHT FOOT BUFFER FENCE ALONG THIS BOUNDARY WITH A REQUEST TO MOVE THAT BACK FROM 20 TWO 0 FOOT. THEN THE BUFFER SCREENING FROM 30 C TO B IS ON CONSERVATION PROBABLY NOT EVEN NECESSARY BACK HERE GIVEN THAT WE ARE IN THE WETLANDS. IT IS JUST AN AREA OF SCREENING ON THE SIDE.

AND WE ARE REQUESTING INCREMENTAL MDP STILL WORKING ON SITE PLANNING AND CLEANING UP OUR ENGINEERING TO MAKE BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY. SOMETIMES IT IS REFERRED TO AS OUR CAT HEAD IT'S JUST SORT OF, IT'S GOT SOME INTERESTING ANGLES WITH IT.

AND THAT SAID, I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

NOW WE WILL IF THEY'RE NOT QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD WE WILL TAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE WILL DO THIS ON ALL THREE ITEMS, FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR WE ARE NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN.

IF YOU LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON FIVE, SIX OR SEVEN PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

SEEING THEN WE ARE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN.

>> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. > THANK YOU. I WILL MOVE THESE ITEMS IF YOU WILL ALLOW. MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021.

>> 552. >> APPROVING 2021 ÃTHREE ST. JOHN'S COMMERCE EAST RIGHT

AWAY. >> SECOND PEER. >> MOTION AND A SECOND AND ITEM NUMBER FIVE. PLEASE VOTE. PASSES FIVE ÃZERO.

>> FIGURE MR. CHAIRMAN MOTION TO ENACT 2021 ¦ >> 95.

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>> APPROVING CPA 21 Ã03 ST. JOHN'S COMMERCE EAST BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> SECOND PEER. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

>> MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021. >> 96.

[8. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2020-21 Hydro PUD. Request for a Major Modification to the Hydro Aluminum PUD (Ord. 2008-60) to modify PUD name, change the project phasing, increase building square footage in Sub-Phase IA by 182,001 square feet for facility buildout. The subject property is located at 200 Riviera Road. The Planning and Zoning Agency heard this request at their regularly scheduled public hearing on November 18, 2021.The item was recommended for approval with a vote of 5 to 1. ]

>> APPROVING PUD 22 ONE Ã04 ST. JOHN'S COMMERCE EAST, BASED ON NON-FUNDS AFFECT LISTED IN

THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. >> WE WAIT MOTION AND A SECOND ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PLEASE VOTE. THATPASSES FIVE ÃZERO.

WE ARE READY FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. >> THANK YOU .

>> YES SIR. >> ITEM 8 IS QUASIJUDICIAL SO GIVE US A MOMENT HERE.

TO DO EX PARTE DECLARATIONS ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THURSDAY DECEMBER 16, APPROXIMATELY 1:00 P.M. I MET WITH SR 13 WE TALKED ABOUT SOME PETITION COMPLAINTS RECEIVED IN EMAILS AS FAR AS DEPARTMENTAL IMPACT AND ALSO THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING ADJACENT PROPERTY

OWNERS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TRENT

A. >> DECEMBER 16 AT 130 PMI MET WITH.

ABOUT JOBS, NOISE CONCERNS, THE NOISE ORDINANCE. THE EXEMPTION OF THAT AND THAT THEY WORKED ON BUFFERS AND VEGETATED AREA THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.

THAT IS IT. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. ON THURSDAY, DECEMBER 16 AT 11:00 AM I MET WITH.

OPERTY, HOW MANY PEOPLE EY EMPLOY, NOISE THAT MIGHT MIGHT COME FROM THE WORK THAT THEY DO

AND THE BUFFER AND CONSERVATION AREAS AROUND D THE PROPERTY. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

P>> NONE. >> OKAY. I MET ON DECEMBER 16 AT 1 O'CLOCK WITH.

THE SAME PROPERTY, EXPANSION NEVERTHELESS OF THE HYDRO FACILITY AND EXPLAIN THE OPERATION OF THE PLANT. AND THE NEED FOR THE EXPANSION. I ALSO RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS.

ONE OF WHICH WAS QUITE COMPREHENSIVE AND DETAILED REGARDING CONCERNS OF NOISE, I GUESS A COUPLE OF THE FACTORS AND IMPACT ON WETLANDS AND TRAFFIC.

WITH THAT SAID, THAT COMPLETES MY EX PARTE AND WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.> GOOD AFTERNOON, [INAUDIBLE] GREETINGS AND GREETINGS COMMISSIONER ARNOLD WHO I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH BOTH WITH LEARN TO READ AND UNITED WAY.

THAT SAID, WE ARE HERE FOR THREE ITEMS. ONE IS TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE PUD TO HYDRO PUD FROM HYDRO ALUMINUM PUD, NUMBER TWO IS A CHANGE OF SCHEDULE REQUEST OF STAFF. TO A SINGLE TWENTY-YEAR PHASE BECAUSE THIS IS A LARGE INDUSTRIAL SITE WITH MULTIPLE PHASES. AND WE WISH TO RESPOND TO THE NEEDS OF THE FACILITY, BASED UPON WHAT INDUSTRY REQUIREMENTS DICTATE.

THE THIRD AND FINAL IS TO INCREASE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IN PHASE 1 A BY 182,000 SQUARE FEET FROM THE EXISTING 334. AND JUST VERY QUICKLY, BY WAY OF THE HISTORY OF THE SITE AND NICK WILL DISCUSS THIS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES.

THIS SITE HAS BEEN IN OPERATION SINCE 1973 WHEN DELTONA CONSTRUCTED IT IN ORDER TO

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INSTRUCT THE ORIGINAL SHORES DEVELOPMENT. SUBSEQUENTLY IT WAS TAKEN OVER BY VA W, A GERMAN CONCERN WHICH WAS REPRESENTED IN ITS DUE DILIGENCE AND IN ITS ENVIRONMENTAL AND LAND-USE ORK BY LAND ENVIRONMENTAL WHO IS REPRESENTED HERE TODAY AS WELL.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE LAND-USE HISTORY IS, THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNATED WHEN THE COUNTY DID A WIDE SWATH COMP PLAN AMENDMENT TO RESIDENTIAL C.

WHAT THEY DID WAS BASICALLY, IN THE TIRE NORTH SOUTH SWATH JUST EAST OF US HIGHWAY ONE AS RES C. WHICH WILL BE DISCUSSED LATER, WHAT THE COUNTY DID, ONCE IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THIS WAS A MAJOR FACILITY THAT WAS RENDERED A NONCONFORMING GRANDFATHERED USE WAS THE COUNTY INITIATED A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, AT PZA, WE NOTED THAT IT WAS TAKING IT TO INDUSTRIAL IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE AN INDUSTRIAL HEAVY USE IN THE MIDDLE IN THE PLANT BUT WHAT WE DID NOT NOTICE AND TERESA IS THE ONE PERSON LEFT TO THINK COUNTY STAFF, WHO WOULD REMEMBER IT, AND YOU WILL SEE THIS. THERE'S ABOUT A 38 ACRE PARCEL THAT IS TO THE NORTHWEST OF THIS PROPERTY. THAT IS OWNED BY HYDRO WERE -- IT'S ALTERNATIVELY PRONOUNCED. IT IS IN WITHIN THE SHORES PUD THAT WE ALSO AGREE TO HAVE DESIGNATED AS CONSERVATION. IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT BUFFER. ALSO, THE REASON THAT THIS CAME UP IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS BECAUSE KEN ATLEY HAD A PROPOSED SUBDIVISION WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC WE PAID OVER $3 MILLION TO BUY THAT, ESSENTIALLY, TO PUT IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL /OFFICE AND AT THE FAR WESTERN PERIMETER, ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF WINDING CREEK. WE PUT IN A 225 FOOT DEEP BUFFER.

BOTH WITHIN THE PUD AND A CARVEOUT WHICH KATIE WILL DISCUSS WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF THE PUD. BUT IT IS A FULL 225 TO THE REST AND THE CONSERVATION, NOT COUNTING GREEN SPACE THAT IS WITHIN THE SHORES DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.

IT GOES BETWEEN ABOUT 250 AND 500 FEET DEEP TO THE NORTH AND NORTHEAST.

SO, THE TEAM EVERY NOTED KATIE WHO IS HERE WHO IS A PLANNER FROM -- ASSOCIATES I AM HERE COMEDY HYDRO EXTRUSION TEAM IS NICK, MATT AND RALPH, NICK IS GOING TO DISCUSS THE REASON FOR WHAT WE ARE DOING, WHICH AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, AND HERE IS A VERY GOOD AERIAL AND MAP.

WE ARE ONLY DOING THE WORK ESSENTIALLY, WITHIN THAT CLEARED AREA.

WHATEVER REMAINS TO THE NORTHEAST, WHICH IS TO THE LEFT AND ABOVE, IS REMAINING IN CONSERVATION. WHAT REMAINS TO THE SOUTH IS GENERALLY OUTSIDE OF OUR PUD, TO THE WEST AS I SAID, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE WINDING CREEK SUBDIVISION.

AND AT THE FAR LEFT END OF THAT PHOTO, WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT WILL REMAIN A 225 FOOT BUFFER.

BY THE WAY, BEFORE I TURN IT OVER, I WANT TO POINT OUT WE HAD SOME CONCERNED CITIZENS WHO WERE HERE FROM THE WINDING CREEK SUBDIVISION AND THE ORIGINAL EMAIL WAS FROM THE PRESIDENT AND BECAUSE OF THE SIGNAGE BEING AT THE PERIMETER, THEY HAD CONCERNS THAT WE WERE GOING INTO THE BUFFER. THEY WERE HERE, SAVE OUR TREES, SAVE OUR WILDLIFE T-SHIRTS.

WE COMMUNICATED AT THE MEETING THAT WE WERE ONLY DOING WORK WITHIN THE EXISTING PLANT, WE ARE NOT EXPANDING INTO THE BUFFER WHATSOEVER. AND MR. MITCHELL,

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INVITED THE PROPERTY MANAGER TO A SITE VISIT, MY UNDERSTANDING AND THEY CAN SPEAK MORE DETAILS THAT, HE WAS SATISFIED AND TAKEN BACK TO THE HOA THAT HE WAS SATISFIED THAT WE WERE INDEED PRESERVING THE BUFFER AND ONLY DOING THE WORK WITHIN. WITH THAT I LIKE TO TURN OVER TO DISCUSS WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING PROPOSED AND WHY WITHIN THE SUM PHASE AND KATIE WILL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THE PLANNING ASPECTS OF WHAT WE ARE DOING. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS COMMISSIONER ARNOLD FOR YOUR APPOINTMENT. AS SAID, WE HAVE BEEN AND ALUMINUM EXTRUSION SITES IS GOING TO 79. VA W OF AMERICA HAD TAKEN OVER THE SITE FROM DELTONA CORPORATION WHO IS USING THE SITE AS AN INDUSTRIAL FACILITY SINCE THE EARLY 70S TO BUILD MODULAR HOMES FOR PHASE 1 OF SAINT AUGUSTINE SHORES. SO WHEN THEY COMPLETED THE PHASE, VA W OF AMERICA WANTED TO EXPAND IN THE SOUTHEAST AND PURCHASE THAT FACILITY.

WE HAVE BEEN IN THE ALUMINUM EXTRUSION PLANT SINCE EARLY 79. OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE EXPANDED, WE HAVE ADDED PRODUCT LINES, WE'VE ADDED EXTRUSION, WE'VE ADDED DRAWN TUBING EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE ADDED A FACILITY FOR RECYCLING OUR OWN SCRAP IN ORDER TO MAKE IT SELF-SUFFICIENT SO WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE NECESSARILY DEPENDENT UPON THE MARKET FOR PURCHASING LOGS AND -- OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN GOOD STEWARDS OF THE COMMUNITY WE HAVE BEEN GOOD STEWARDS OF THE LAND AROUND US. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE, ALL THE GREEN AREA EXISTED AROUND THE FACILITY BEFORE WE GOT THERE AND IT STILL EXIST TODAY.

WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING, WE PLANTED TREES ACTUALLY AND IN SEVERAL AREAS AROUND THE FACILITY, TO ENHANCE THE ENVIRONMENT SOMEWHAT AND TO HELP WITH NOISE BARRIER FOR THE FOLKS AROUND IT. AS IT WAS ELUTED TO, WE SPENT OVER $3 MILLION ON LAND TO THE WEST OF US, TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY COULD BUILD CLOSE TO OUR FACILITY, JUST TO QUELL ANY FUTURE POSSIBILITIES OF NOISE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE CURRENTLY EMPLOY UPWARDS AROUND 367 EMPLOYEES. WE HELP WITH SOME EXPANSION PLANS THAT WE WILL INCREASE THAT NUMBER. ALTHOUGH THE NUMBER MAY INDEED BE JUST SLIGHTLY HIGHER, THE TYPE OF PROCESSES AND EQUIPMENT THAT WE PLAN TO PUT INTO THE FACILITY ARE GOING TO BE HIGHLY AUTOMATED. THE NEED FOR LARGE AMOUNTS OF MANUAL LABOR IF YOU WILL, WILL BE MITIGATED, WILL HAVE HIGHER QUALITY JOBS HIGHER TECH JOBS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

OVER THE YEARS, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO JUST MENTION THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS HERE SINCE 79 AND WE ARE PROBABLY EMPLOYED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS FROM THIS COUNTY AND FROM NEIGHBORING COUNTIES AND WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT. OUR EXTRUSION SALES FOR 2020 AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LIST HERE IS 50 MILLION WE HOPE TO GROW THAT AROUND 70 MILLION POUNDS AND BUILD OUT. WE CURRENTLY SERVE THE ELECTRICAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRIBUTION BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION MARKETS AND AUTOMOTIVE MARKETS.

OVER THE YEARS, THROUGH VA W AND NOT THROUGH HYDRO, WE HAVE BEEN SORT OF INNOVATIVE, WE TOOK CHANCES EARLY ON AND ADDED FABRICATION. FACILITIES TO OUR PRODUCT MIX.

SOMETHING THAT EXTRUDERS IN THE EARLY 80S, WOULDN'T HAVE DONE. WOULDN'T HAVE DONE BECAUSE OF THE CAPITOL OUTLAY THAT IS NEEDED FOR THAT KIND OF PROCESS.

AND WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT IT. WE HAVE A PARTICULAR PRODUCT THAT WE MADE FOR THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY. THAT ONLY WE CAN MAKE.

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THERE IS NOBODY, EXTRUDERS OR TRY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. IT IS ONLY MADE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.THERE'S ONE OTHER WORLDWIDE EXTRUDER THAT CAN DO THAT IN POLAND AND THERE ONE OF OUR HYDRO FACILITIES AND THEY ARE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SHOWN THEM HOW TO DO THAT. THAT IS ONE THING IN THE WAY OF INNOVATION THAT WE HAVE DONE.

ANOTHER THING, SAINT AUGUSTINE IS HOME FOR AMERICAN CONDUIT BRAND AND WE SELL NATIONWIDE.

WE JUST RECEIVED A PATENT FROM THE US PATENT OFFICE FOR ELECTRICAL METALLIC TUBING.

ALUMINUM, THAT AGAIN, NOBODY ELSE CAN MAKE AND IT IS HITTING THE MARKETPLACE LIKE GANGBUSTERS RIGHT NOW. SO, I THINK THIS IS THE POINTER.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP AND THE GRAPHIC ABOVE, WE PLAN TO DO OR BUILD OUT HERE IN THREE PHASES. THE FIRST PHASE HERE THE CONDUIT BUILDING.

WE BUILT THAT IN 1992. I DID IT AGAIN. OKAY.

WE BUILT THIS BUILDING AND 92. AND REBUILT SORT OF HALF OF THAT BUILDING IF YOU WILL.

IT PITCHES UP AND THE PITCH DOWN PORTION FOR FUTURE GROWTH. WE ARE AT THAT POINT NOW WHERE WE WANT TO ADD THE SECOND HALF OF THAT BUILDING AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE ON TOP, THAT BUILDING IS RIGHT HERE. THE NEXT PHASE IS, WE WANT TO PUT IN EXTRUSION PRESS IN THIS AREA HERE. AND YOU SEE THAT'S IN BUILDING C. IN ORDER TO DO THAT WE WERE FABRICATION FACILITY RIGHT HERE. AND WE NEED TO MOVE THAT FABRICATION EQUIPMENT TO A NEW BUILDING. SO WE WILL BE BUILDING THIS PAINT AND FAB BUILDING WILL BE IN THE GREEN FILLED THERE. ONCE THE BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED, WILL MORE THAN FABRICATION? FROM THE EXISTING FAB OVER TO THE NEW BUILDING. ONCE THAT HAPPENS, WE WILL THEN EXTEND THIS BUILDING OUT INTO THIS AREA HERE. AND WILL PUT A NEW 12 INCH EXTRUSION PRESS LINE.

THIS NEW 12 INCH EXCLUSION PRESS LINE WILL ALSO GET INTO SOME MONUMENTAL AND CURTAINWALL PROJECTS, FOR EXAMPLE SOME OF THE HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE, THAT REAL NICE ALUMINUM FAC'ADE. THAT IS ALUMINUM, THAT IS A PRODUCT THAT WE MAKE AND WE WILL BE MAKING HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE WHEN THIS IS BUILT OUT.

TO CLOSE, OR LET ME TALK JUST A COUPLE OF SECONDS AGAIN ON WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST. THERE WERE SOME OPPONENTS AT THE PZA MEETING AND WE WENT TO OUR PRESENTATION, WE EXPLAINED WHAT WE WERE DOING AND WHERE. THEIR COMPLAINTS WERE DEALING WITH THEIR THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING TO DESTROY THE WOODED AREA AND THIS AREA HERE WEST OF US. ONCE THEY HEARD OUR PRESENTATION AND SAW WHAT WE WERE DOING, I THINK IT SET THEIR MIND AT EASE BUT THEY WERE HERE AND READY TO TALK SO THEY SPOKE. WE MET WITH MR. WE INVITED THEM TO THE FACILITY. TOWARD HIM AROUND, SHOWED HIM IN DETAIL, WHAT WE WERE DOING AND WHEN WE WANTED TO DO IT AND WE THINK HE WAS SATISFIED WITH WHAT HE HEARD. AND HE SAID HE WOULD TAKE THAT BACK TO THE COTTAGE OF WINDING CREEK AND LET THEM KNOW AS WELL. AND HE HAS DONE THAT.

HAVE NOT HEARD ANY COMMENTS, GOOD, BAD OR INDIFFERENT ABOUT WHEN HE DID THAT.

I KNOW THAT THEY HAD A BOARD MEETING LAST FRIDAY, WHERE HE WAS GOING TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT. SO IN CLOSING, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS APPLICATION, THAT YOU CONSIDER PROVING IT. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE JOBS FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE A VIABLE INDUSTRY AND BA VIABLE FORCE AND PARTNER TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN THIS AREA. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS KATIE, PLANNER WITH LAN ASSOCIATES.

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I JUST WANTED TO RUN YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE TECHNICAL LOCATION BASIC INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT. I THINK THAT SID AND NICK HAVE BOTH GONE THROUGH QUITE A BIT OF THE, WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR THE PROPOSED EXPANSION AS WELL AS CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED CONCERNING PROJECTS. SO I'M GOING TO PLOW THROUGH HERE LITTLE BIT.

THIS IS THE LOCATION AT THE FACILITY, RIGHT HERE. IT IS TO THE EAST SIDE OF US1 SOUTH. PARTLY SIX MILES OF -- THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THE HYDRO ALUMINUM PUD HAS A MIXTURE OF LAND USES. YOU CAN SEE THE INDUSTRIAL PORTION IN YELLOW. AS WELL AS SOME MIXED-USE AND RESIDENTIAL C. A LITTLE BIT SCRIPTED SO IT MIGHT NOT BE LOOKING YOU -- THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS 103.84 ACRES.

THAT IS NOT CHANGING WHEN NOT ADDING ANY LAND TO THIS APPLICATION REQUEST.

THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL PORTION WITHIN THAT BOUNDARY THAT YOU ARE SEEING IN YELLOW THERE, IS 36.4 ACRES AND THE REMAINDER IS ABOUT 67 ACRES. THERE ARE CURRENTLY VACANT WITH ENTITLEMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE. CURRENT INDUSTRIAL USE OF THE PUD AS NICK HAD ALREADY ALLUDED TO, HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE THE EARLY 70S WHEN DELTONA CORPORATION HAD A ME-- MANUFACTURING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SURROUNDING THE, HERE WE GO OVER HERE INTO THE NORTH. AND SO, THAT INDUSTRIAL PORTION OF THE SITE HERE, HAS BEEN IN CONTINUOUS OPERATION AS AN INDUSTRIAL USE SINCE THE 1970S.

SINCE THE PROPERTY TRANSFERRED OWNERSHIP IN 1979 TO VA W AND AGAIN OVER TO HEATHROW FOLLOWING THAT WAS TRANSFERRED TO VA W BEGAN ITS USE AS ALUMINUM EXTRUSION AND OPERATION FACILITY. ACTUALLY MY COMPANY, LAN ASSOCIATES WAS INVOLVED IS 97 AND ON PROVIDING SERVICES ENVIRONMENTAL AND PLANNING SERVICES ON AND OFF DURING THE YEARS. WHAT HAPPENED WAS IN 1990, ST. JOHNS COUNTY ADOPTED IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS IS JUST A LITTLE HISTORY. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

AND IN DOING SO, WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE INDUSTRIAL PORTION THAT YOU ARE SEEING IN YELLOW WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNATED AS RESIDENTIAL C ON THE COMP PLAN AND THUS RENDERING THAT PORTION OF THE INDUSTRIAL USE OF THE FACILITY WAS INCOMPATIBLE. THE STOCK BROUGHT TO LIGHT BY AN ADJACENT PROPERTY REZONING APPLICATION AND SO, WHAT THE COUNTY DID WAS ADMINISTRATIVELY, THEY MENTOR THE COMP PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

TO REFLECT INDUSTRIAL USE OF THE SITE AS YOU SEE IT TODAY. AND AT THE SAME TIME I BELIEVE IT WAS ALSO ADMINISTERED AND AMENDED BY THE COUNTY TO INCORPORATE THAT, IF YOU LOOK ON THE MAP, THAT CONSERVATION AREA THAT YOU ARE SEEING THERE. AND THAT WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE FACILITY SO THAT THERE WOULD BE A BUFFER TO PROTECT THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL FROM THE INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY. OKAY.

SO THIS IS THE ZONING MAP. AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR PROPERTY LOCATED HERE, IS A PUD.

AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER PUD ALTHOUGH BE AT RESIDENTIAL BUT WITH OTHER TYPES OF MIXED

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USES THAT ARE ANCILLARY TO THE RESIDENTIAL USES. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THE ZONING OF THE PARCEL ITSELF. BACK IN THE 80S, IT WAS ZONED AS INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE. THAT DESIGNATION WAS BASICALLY COVERED FOR THE GAMUT OF ANY INDUSTRIAL USE THAT YOU COULD HAVE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ANYTHING, ANY TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL USE BARRING I BELIEVE IT WAS FERTILIZER MANUFACTURING, AND PULP AND PAPER. WHEN THE APPLICATION FOR REZONING OCCURRED NEXT DOOR ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THAT IS WHEN THE COUNTY REALIZED THAT THE IW CATEGORY IN THE DEVELOPMENT COULD NO LONGER REPRESENTED WHAT WAS BEING DONE ON THE SITE SO APD WAS THEN ADOPTED IN 2008. THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THE ZONING. I WANTED TO SHOW THIS SLIDE WHICH IS OUR BUFFER SLIDE.

THE PUD IS REPRESENTED IN THE WHITE BOUNDARY, THE INDUSTRIAL PORTION OF THE SITE, YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE CLEARED SECTION NICK WAS TALKING ABOUT. THE PARCEL, THE SUM PHASE RATHER, 2BIN THE NORTHWEST T CORNER IS, BUT WE HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

THAT PARCEL THERE IS DESIGNATED AS OPEN SPACE, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE BUILT UPON.

ADDITIONALLY, THIS 225 FOOT BUFFER, WHICH IS CARVED OUT SO IS NOT PART OF THE PUD BUT IT IS DEED RESTRICTED. SO ALL PARCELS WITHIN THE PUD RESTRICT THE USE OF ANY OF THAT SO THAT WILL NOT BE BUILT UPON. AND AGAIN, THIS CONSERVATION AREA AGAIN, DEPICTING ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE TO BUFFER. SO, TO ALLEVIATE ANY CONCERNS OF FUTURE EXPANSION OF INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES TO ENCROACH UPON ANY RESIDENTIAL.

THOSE ARE ALL IN PLACE AND NOTHING IS CHANGING. SO, HERE'S OUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AGAIN, I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE, I GO THROUGH IT VERY QUICKLY BUT THESE ARE ALL OF THE SUB PHASES WHICH WERE ALREADY APPROVED WITHIN THE PUD IN 2000 EIGHT, WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE ANYTHING WITHIN ANY OF THE SUB PHASES EXCEPT WITHIN THIS SUB PHASE 1A THE INDUSTRIAL PORTION AND NICK IS ALREADY DESCRIBED BE REQUESTED EXPANSION ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING TO OCCUR THERE HOPEFULLY WILL OCCUR THERE. THIS IS JUST A ZOOM BACK INTO WHAT NICK WAS TALKING ABOUT AND WHY THEY NEED EXPANSION IN THE INDUSTRY.

WE ARE REQUESTING PART OF THE APPLICATION, A SINGLE 20 YEAR PHASE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR JUST THE CONTINUOUS EXPANSION OF THE ALREADY EXISTING PUD AND PROPOSED EXPANSION WITHIN THE SUM PHASE 1 A OVER THE COURSE OF 20 YEARS IS BEING DICTATED MORE BY MARKET-DRIVEN OF THE INDUSTRIAL SECTOR. THAT ACTUALLY IS A WAIVER REQUEST IN SECTION T.

BASICALLY, WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF, I SAY HERE BELIEF I FIND AS I THINK THERE ARE SIX FINDINGS OF FACT. AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF ITEMS WITHIN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ONE IS OBJECTIVE A 1 21, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD ENHANCE THE ECONOMIC DIVERSITY AND PROSPERITY OF CITIZENS TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, OPPORTUNITIES EXPANSION AND DIVERSIFICATION OF THE COUNTY TAX BASE. AND THEN FINALLY, POLICY A 1 21 TWO IT IS THE COMPANY HAS A PLAN AT ST. JOHNS COUNTY, RECOGNIZES EXISTING LARGE AND SMALL BUSINESSES AND INDUSTRIES VITAL TO THE ECONOMY RETENTION AND EXPANSION OF EXISTING BUSINESSES AND INDUSTRIES AN

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IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THE OVERALL DIVERSIFICATION OF THE ECONOMIC BASE.

RETENTION AND EXPANSION OF EXISTING BUSINESSES AND INDUSTRIES SHALL BE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE COUNTIES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. AND WITH THAT I THANK YOU AND

WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. >> DOES NOT COMPLETE THE

PRESENTATION? >> IT DOES. >> ALTHOUGH WE WILL MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD SPEAK AND CERTAINLY FOR ANY

SUBSEQUENT QUESTIONS. >> THINK IT WILL NOT TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM EIGHT.

REQUEST NO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

ANYBODY WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

SEEING NONE WE ARE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

>> OKAY IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD?

IF NOT WE WILL TAKE A MOTION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN I'M READY. >> OKAY MOTION TO ADOPT ORDINANCE 2021 Ã97. 2020 Ã21 HYDRO PUD BASED UPON FINDINGS OF FACT.

AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES FOUR ÃONE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU ALSO MUCH CLEAR.

>> NUMBER NINE. NINE IS BECAUSE I DIGITAL SO EX PARTE PER COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>>. >> NON-PEER REQUEST COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> I MET ON -- TO DISCUSS NEED FOR WAIVERS AND HOW IT WOULD FIT INTO THE AREA.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> NONE.

>> AND I HAVE NONE. GO AHEAD. >> COULD YOU CHANGE MY POWERPOINT? THE NEXT ONE.

[9. Public Hearing * MAJMOD21-11 Greenbriar Downs PUD. Request for a Major Modification to the Greenbriar Downs PUD (Ordinance 2019-15) to increase the allowed height of structures on the North Parcel from 35 feet to 55 feet to accommodate construction of a church. On November 18, 2021, the PZA recommended approval with a 6-0 vote. ]

>> WE READY TO GO WE HAVE THE CORRECT OVERHEAD AND WE ARE READY TO GO.

YOU MAY PROCEED. ITEM 9. >> -- 12740 GRAND BAY PARKWAY WEST SUITE FEBR-- WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE MAJOR MOD APPLICATION FOR THE GREENBRIER PUD.

THE LOCATION IS AT THE CORNER OF LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY AND VETERANS PARKWAY WHERE VETERANS, THE FUTURE VETERANS PARKWAY WILL BE BUILT. AND WE ARE ONLY HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE NORTH PARCEL WITHIN THE PUD. THAT IS THE ONE IN RED.

THE BIGGEST LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY. 1122 PROPOSING A CHURCH ON THIS PARCEL. WE ARE ONLY ASKING TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT FROM 35 Ã55 ON HIS NORTH PARCEL AND IT IS A COMMERCIAL PARCEL OF THE PUD. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PORTIONS OF THE SOUTH. AND WE HAVE, AFTER PZA THEY WERE LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT CHANGING THE HEIGHT FOR THE WHOLE PARCEL.

WHAT WE DID WAS AGREE TO CHANGE IT JUST FOR THE LARGE CHURCHES. THE WHOLE PARCEL IS NOT AFFECTED JUST THE USE. AND WE CHANGED THE TEXT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT AND EVERYONE WAS HAPPY AND WE DID RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM PZA. WE DO BELIEVE THAT THIS HEIGHT JUSTIFICATION, THE REQUEST IS JUSTIFIED BECAUSE IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. THIS ACTUALLY COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND APPROVED HEIGHTS ARE HIGHER IN THIS AREA, 50 FEET. IT DIRECTLY IS ADJACENT WITH THE CHURCH IS CURRENTLY WORSHIPING CREEK THAT HAS LOOKED APPROXIMATELY 50 TO 55 FEET IN HEIGHT AS WELL. SO WE ARE APPROPRIATELY SIZED FOR THE AREA.

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AND I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST FOR YOU

TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION. >> THANK YOU COMEDY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ITEM NUMBER NINE. WE ARE READY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THEN.

>> YES MR. CHAIR. WE ARE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE -- IF YOU LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT NOW IS THE TIME.

SEEING NONE, WE ARE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE.

>> OKAY IF THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS I WILL TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER NINE.

>> YES ARE PREPARED TO MAKE THE MOTION. I'LL MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE

2021 ¦ >> 98. >> MAJOR MODIFICATION 2021 Ã11

[10. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2021-01 Lightsey Road Storage. Request for a Major Modification to Ordinance 2019-59, revising the Master Development Plan to combine four buildings into two buildings, increasing the square footage from 65,500 to 75,282 square feet, and expanding the Stormwater management system. The Planning and Zoning Agency recommended approval of this request with a 6-0 vote at their November 18 regular meeting. ]

FOUR GREENBRIER DOWNS PUD BASED UPON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> THAT PASSES 5-0. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO NOW IS TAKE UP ITEM 10 AND THEN TAKE A BREAK AND COME BACK AND WE WILL TAKE UP 11 AND 12 IN ORDER BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I SUGGESTED WE MIGHT DELAY, BUT I THINK WE NOW WILL BE AFTER LUNCH AND TAKE THEM IN REGULAR ORDER FOLLOWING LUNCH BREAK. LET'S GO AHEAD WITH ITEM 10.

IT WAS ALSO AN EX PARTE OR WAS IT NINE? >> NINE I THINK.

RIGHT? COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. ITEM 10.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. YESTERDAY DECEMBER 20TH, I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH WHETHER WHITEHOUSE REPRESENTING THE CLIENT HERE. WE BRIEFLY TALKED ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF OUR CONVERSATION.

>> WHETHER WALDRON. >> YESTERDAY I HAD A VERY BRIEF CALL WITH WHETHER WHITEHOUSE, I DID NOT DISCUSSION BECAUSE I HAD TO RECUSE MYSELF. I HAVE PROPERTY ACROSS THE ROAD.

>> SO YOU WILL BE RECUSING YOURSELF FROM THIS VOTE. >> YES, SIR AND THE

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> I HAVE NONE.

>> NONE MR. CHAIRMAN. I LIKEWISE HAD A BRIEF DISCUSSION AND PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. WHITE HOUSE AROUND 2:30 IF I RECALL DISCUSSING THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING STORAGE FACILITY AS I RECALL. AND THAT COMPLETES THAT.

SO MR. WHITEHOUSE. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> YES, SIR, THANK YOU.

MR. CHAIRMAN, GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, WELCOME COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

I AM JAMES WHITEHOUSE? ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. THIS IS A MODIFICATION OF PUD, ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL COMMERCIAL PROJECT HERE IN OUR GREAT COUNTY.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS IS A MAJOR MODIFICATION THAT WAS ENTERED INTO WHILE THE PROJECT WAS BEING BUILT. ACTUALLY THE PROJECT IS NOW OPEN FOR BUSINESS HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AT LIGHTSEY ROAD AND 207. IT'S BUILT IN A FASHION YOU WITH KEY THE OVERHEAD.

THIS IS LIGHTSY ROAD. THIS IS 207. THIS IS THE SITE RIGHT HERE.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ALREADY BUILT WITH A NUMBER OF THE BUILDINGS, THE RETENTION ET CETERA. THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION WAS ENTERED INTO TO ADD ACTUALLY A BUILDING ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND TO EXPAND THE RETENTION OBVIOUSLY. THIS WAS THE INITIAL PUD APPROVED MAP ON ORDINANCE 2019-59. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE OTHER REQUEST FOR THIS WAS TO ADD THESE TWO BUILDINGS TOGETHER. REALLY THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS REQUEST BECAUSE WE'RE CLEARING UP THE MVP MAP. THAT WAS CORRECTED AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS ALLOWABLE AREAS. YOU WILL SEE THE NEW BUILDING AND THESE AS ONE BUILDING EACH AND THE INCREASE IN THE RETENTION. OTHER THAN THAT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S PUD. THIS WAS ANOTHER PICTURE OF HOW IT'S CURRENTLY COMPOSED.

BACK TO THE WHAT THE CHANGES ARE. YOU KNOW FOR LACK OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT A LOT TO THIS PUD, I WILL STAND READY FOR QUESTIONS.

I WANTED TO ADD ONE LAST THING. AT THE PZA. THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH ONE OF RESIDENTS ALONG CENTURY WITH THE SIDEWALK. WHERE THE SIDEWALK ENDS, THE COUNTY HAD TO PUT UP A SIGN THAT SAYS SIDEWALK ENDS. WE WANTED TO WORK WITH THE

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COMMUNITY AND SO I DEALT WITH THE ENGINEERS HERE. HE GOT WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND ENTERED INTO THEIR PROJECT LIST WITH THE SIDEWALK FUNDS WE HAVE. THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD A CONNECTION. I WANTED TO BRING IT UP. I TALKED TO THE RESIDENT IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY. BUT I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.

I APPRECIATE THAT AND STAND READY FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. PUBLIC COMMENT. WE ARE NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 10. SEEING NONE, CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 10.

>> OKAY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS COMMISSIONER WALDRON IS RECUSING HIMSELF FROM THIS ITEM. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO STATE FOR THE RECORD?

>> NO, HE'S ALREADY DONE WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO UNDER THE STATE LAW, THANK YOU.

>> IN THAT CASE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021-

>> 99. >> APPROVING MAJOR MOD 2021-01 LIGHTSY ROAD WITH THE SIX

FINDING OF FACT IN THE REPORT. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THAT

[11. Road Impact Fee Credit Transfer - Treaty Ground PUD (Double Eagle Development, LLC). Recent amendments to Section 163.31801(10), F.S., of the Impact Fee statute allow impact fee credit holders to assign and transfer unused credits to development projects within the County and which receive benefits from the improvement or contribution that generated the credits. This option applies to all unused impact fee credits regardless of whether they were established before the statutory amendment. The standard language in the County's proportionate fair share and impact fee agreements allow for the assignment of unused impact fee credits with approval of the County. The Treaty Ground PUD Agreement did not address transfer of impact fee credits; however, the County's Road Impact Fee Ordinance provides that credit cannot be transferred without approval of the County. Double Eagle Development, LLC has requested transfer of a portion of the road impact fee credit awarded to the Treaty Ground PUD (Treaty Oaks) for the construction of Brinkhoff Road pursuant to that certain Agreement between K. S. Toney and St. Johns County, approved August 17, 1987. The subject Agreement provided for the provision of 100' of right-of-way and construction of a 2-lane controlled access collector road from Wildwood Drive to SR 207 (Brinkhoff Road) with road impact fee credit based on the fair market value of the ROW at the time of PUD approval and actual construction costs. The Treaty Ground PUD is located on the west side of Wildwood Drive south of SR 207 in Impact Fee District 3 and currently has an unused road impact fee credit balance of $966,730.00. The request is to transfer the total remaining road impact fee credit in the amount of $966,730.00 to the Entrada PUD located on SR 207 at Wildwood Drive in the same Impact Fee District 3. Staff has no objection to the requested transfer and finds the request meets the requirements of the Road Impact Fee Ordinance and Florida Statutes. ]

I >> OKAY. IF EVERYONE WILL TAKE A SEAT.

WE WILL COMMENCE TO -- RECOMMENCE OUR DECEMBER 21ST COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING.

WE HAVE MADE IT ALL THE WAY TO ITEM 11 SO FAR. SO, WHEN THE STAFF IS READY, WE WILL TAKE UP ITEM 11. AND PROCEED. HUNTER, WHO IS HANDLING 11? IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR 11? THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING. DOUG BURNETT.

HAPPY TO BE HERE REPRESENTING VICT OR NARUCES AND DOUBLE EAGLE.

VICTOR WE SAW ON THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING WANTED TO MAKE SURE HE HAD A LAWYER HERE.

MANY TIMES CLIENTS CAN DO THINGS THEMSELVES. BEING KNOWLEDGE CONSCIOUS IS PART OF THE REASON I WAS SHOWING UP PRECISELY ON TIME FOR THIS ITEM RATHER THAN SHOWING UP EARLY. I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY.

ON THIS IMPACT FEE CREDIT TRANSFER ISSUE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S CONCERNS.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO BE WORKED OUT IN THE BROADER SCHEME OF THINGS IN GENERAL.

I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHY IT MAKES SENSE TO A CASE BY CASE BASIS. SHOWING YOU A LOCATION MAP OF THE PROJECT. WE ALL KNOW TREATY PARK ORIGINATED AS PART OF THE PUD.

IT'S PART OF THE RECREATIONAL COMPONENT OF THE PUD. YOU HAVE BRINK OFF ROAD.

WILD WOOD DRIVE AND 207. A LITTLE ZOOMED IN COVERAGE OF IT.

YOU CAN SEE PUBLIX HAS MADE IT ON THE MAP HERE. MOST OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL IS BUILT AND THRIVING. SOME REMAIN UNBUILT. YOU CAN SEE THE PORTION OF BRINK OFF ROAD. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. IT'S AN INTERESTING THING BECAUSE MANY OF YOU KNOW THIS AREA WHERE FAMILY WORSHIP CENTER IS, THEY HAD CHALLENGES AND THE ONLY WAY TO CONNECT TO STATE ROAD 207 IS A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.

THE BENEFIT OF US THAT HAD THE OCCASION TO ATTEND THE FAMILY WORSHIP CENTER IS IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THIS ACCESS. IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE CITY 207, YOU HAD HAD DRIVE 1800 MORE FEET BEFORE YOU TAKE A U-TURN AND GO TO CHURCH. THIS PROJECT THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ACCESS TO BRINKOFF ROAD, THE PROJECT DEDICATED IT TO THEM. ONE OF THE PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT I WILL JUST TOUCH ON RELATED TO THE PROJECT OVERALL. THE AGREEMENT WAS SET FORTH WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN THE PUD ORIGINALLY WAS ADOPTED. IT FOLLOWED ALONG THAT BRINKOFF ROAD WOULD BE IMPACT ELIGIBLE. YOU KNOW THE STATUTE THAT IMPACT FEE CREDITS ARE TRANSFERRABLE AND OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT AND REGULATE IT. ONE OF THE MOST OBVIOUS THINGS

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IS IMPACT FEE ZONES WE HAVE IN THIS CASE. WE ARE WELL WITHIN THE IMPACT DISTRICT 3 AREA. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $966,730. BUT THE INTERESTING THING HERE.

THIS IS A TRANSFER PROJECT WHERE THE TWO PROJECTS ARE ALMOST ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER. THEY ARE BOTH IN THE VERY, VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY ON STATE ROAD 207. I POINT THIS OUT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT A DISTRICT 3 REGION, I MEAN I THINK ANY OF US CAN SEE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO TRANSFER IMPACT FEE CREDITS FROM NOCATEE PARK WAY TO A1 A MIGHT BE THE SAME DISTRICT AND REMOTE IN LOCATIONS. SAME THING COULD BE HERE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT NORTH U.S. 1 VERSUS U.S. 1 AND 95 OR EVEN CRESCENT BEACH AT A1 A. WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS VERY CLOSE AND FOR THAT REASON, WE THINK IT'S VERY FITTING THESE TWO TRANSFER, THIS TRANSFER TAKE PLACE WHERE TWO PROJECTS ARE SO CLOSELY ALIGNED. ALSO I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE PROJECT WHERE THESE ARE BEING TRANSFERRED TO IS READY TO GO. ITS INFRASTRUCTURE IS UNDER WAY.

IT NEEDS THE CREDITS NOW AT THIS STAGE TO BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION.

AND TRANSFER IT THEM TO IT. IT'S ONE OF PRESSING TIME AND SUBMIT TO YOU, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT RULES OF SCOPE OF TRANSFERS, THIS IS AS CLOSE IN PROXIMITY YOU CAN GET.

WHATEVER RULES YOU COME WITHIN TRANSFERS, THIS WOULD FIT BECAUSE IT MAKES GOOD COMMON

SENSE. >> I WOULD ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> YOU'RE SAYING IF DR HORTON DOESN'T GET THIS CREDIT YOU'RE GOING TO STOP CONSTRUCTION.

>> NO, SIR. >> YOU SAID THEY NEEDED IT TO DO VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION.

TWO THINGS TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I THINK THAT WE LOOK AT IMPACT FEE TRANSFERS ONE NOW, FLORIDA LAW SAYS IT'S ALLOWED. SO THE COUNTY MAY LOOK AT IT IN WAYS TO REGULATE IT AND CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT REGULATING IT, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REGULATE IT? MOST LIKELY YOU'RE GOING TO REGULATE IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT AND IN THAT REGARD, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS LOCATION VERSUS A REMOTE U.S. 1 AND I-95 TRANSFER FROM HERE TO THERE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSFERRING WHERE YOU'RE WITHIN ONE OR TWO OR THREE TRANSPORTATION LENGTHS OF EACH OTHER. VERY PROXIMITY FOR THE TRANSFER TO TAKE PLACE.

TIMING WISE, YEAH, MY CLIENT IS GOING TO LOSE DOUBLE EAGLE DEVELOPMENT THAT DEVELOPED THIS HUGE RESIDENTIAL INVESTMENT AND THIS HUGE INVESTMENT IN ROADWAY BRINKOFF ROAD MAY LOSE THE

ABILITY TO TRANSFER TO DR HORTON >> WHEN DID PHASE ONE START? IN TREATY OAKS? I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT THAT. IN WHICH PHASE ONE?

BECAUSE TREATY HAS BEEN MODIFIED A NUMBER OF TIMES. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM THE PUD, PHASE ONE THEY SAY THEY WILL BUILD A ROAD AT THEIR EXPENSE.

>> THE AGREEMENT IS FROM THE 1991 TIME FRAME. >> I UNDERSTAND BUT CONSTRUCTION OF THE 2-LANE COLLECTOR ROAD AND RELATED DRAIN IMPROVEMENTS SHALL BE COMPLETED DURING THE FIRST PHASE OF THE TREATY GROUND PUD. WHEN WAS THE FIRST PHASE COMPLETED AND WERE THEY BEHIND

ON THE ROAD? IT SAYS AT THEIR EXPENSE. >> PHASE ONE WAS EXTENDED MANY, MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS THROUGH THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PUD THAT TOOK PLACE.

>> DOES STAFF KNOW WHEN PHASE ONE WAS COMPLETED? >> I WILL HAVE TO CHECK WITH

GROWTH MANAGEMENT. >> OKAY. >> MIKE I'M NOT SURE.

>> IT'S EITHER THEY WERE BEHIND ON IT. YOU KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND MY AUNKST. YOU HAVE THE PUD THAT WAS SOLD TO THEM THEY WOULD BE GIVEN A PARK LANE. THE TREATY PARK WAS BUILT ON AND COMPLETE THIS ROAD AT THEIR EXPENSE. NOW YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO SELL, WE'RE ALREADY BACK AT TRANSFER OR SELL. THEY'RE GOING TO SELL THE EXTRA MONEY THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO

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BUILD A ROAD WHAT YEAR WERE THEY SUPPOSED TO BUILD THE ROAD? AND WHAT VALUE, EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE PUD TALKS ABOUT THE VALUE AT THE DATE OF APPROVAL. SO WHAT, THEY ARE GETTING CREDIT, THE TAXPAYER'S FAULT THEY BUILT THIS ROAD 20 YEARS LATER? THEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO OR THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND. WHAT THE TIME FRAME WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN. THAT'S ONE REASON I WANTED THIS EXTENDED WAS TO GET THESE

ANSWERS. >> I GUESS I CAN TELL YOU VERY CLEARLY THE ROADWAY WAS BUILT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TIME PERIOD IT WAS REQUIRED TO BE BUILT WITHIN THE PUD.

THERE WASN'T A DELAY IN THE ROADWAY -- >> SO THEY JUST COMPLETED PHASE ONE LAST YEAR OF A 20 SOMETHING YEAR PHASE? BECAUSE IT STARTED BACK IN WHAT

YEAR DID THEY START CONSTRUCTION? >> I GUESS THAT'S WHY I WASN'T

TRYING TO BE EVASIVE WITH YOUR QUESTION. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU. MAYBE YOU KNOW. THE PHASE ONE IN ONE OF THE ITERATIONS OF THE MODIFICATION I BELIEVE WAS THE PARK. IT ALSO INCLUDED A FIRE STATION WHICH OBVIOUSLY LATER WAS CHANGED AND ADDITIONAL FOUR ACRE SAYS WAS MADE AS PART OF THE

PARK. CORRECT. >> BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE FOUR ACRES WENT FROM 40 TO 44 ACRES. BUT AS FAR AS TIMING OF THE ROADWAY, IT WAS BUILT AS REQUIRED UNDER THE PUD. THE MOST RECENT THREE ITERATIONS OF THE MODIFICATIONS.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. IF I MAY SUGGEST, JUST A CONSIDERATION.

I SEE MIKE IS HERE, MIKE ROBERSON AND DOUG IS HERE. WE MIGHT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SORT OF TABLE THIS ITEM FOR ONE OR TWO ITEMS OR MAYBE EVEN UNTIL THE END.

I WANT YOU TO HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE THOSE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

>> I MEAN -- IT'S UP TO THE BOARD TOO. >> I'M JUST SAYING, I AM SUGGESTING THAT MAYBE THE STAFF CAN GET WITH MR. BURNETT AND ADDRESS, ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS WHILE WE GO ON WITH SEVERAL MORE ITEMS AND COME BACK. AT LEAST YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR

[12. Road Impact Fee Credit Transfer - Vinings PUD (A & S Land Development Company). The standard language in the County's proportionate fair share and impact fee agreements allows for the assignment of unused road impact fee credits with approval of the County. Section 13 of the County's Road Impact Fee Ordinance also provides that credit cannot be transferred without approval of the County. Recent amendments to Section 163.31801(10), F.S., of the Impact Fee statute allow impact fee credit holders to assign and transfer unused credits to development projects under certain circumstances. This option applies to all unused impact fee credits regardless of whether they were established before the statutory amendment. A & S Land Development Company has requested transfer of the remaining road impact fees credit awarded to the Vinings PUD pursuant to Development and Impact Fee Agreement (Agreement) between Stonehurst Plantation, Inc., A & S Land Development Company, KKP Chippewa, LTD and St. Johns County, approved January 9, 2001 recorded in OR Book 1559 PG 800 (attached for reference). The purpose of the Agreement is to recognize the developer’s transportation contributions as providing significant benefit to the impacted transportation system in the area around the proposed project. The subject Agreement provided for the widening of a portion of CR 210 west of I-95 to 4- lanes and awarded road impact fee credit to the projects that are a party to the Agreement. The Vinings PUD, which is located west of I-95 in Impact Fee District 1, is built out and has an unused road impact fee credit balance of $153,000. The request is to transfer the credit to the Bridgewater PUD located on CR 210 east of I95 in Impact Fee District 2. Since the transfer is not within the same impact fee zone, the Road Impact Fee Ordinance and Impact Fee statutes requires that the improvements for which the credit was awarded must be a benefit to the receiving development project. The review standard for concurrency impact analysis is a 4-mile radius. The Bridgewater PUD is within 4-miles of the CR 210 improvements that were completed pursuant to the Agreement and the Bridgewater PUD traffic analysis included impacts to this portion of CR 210; therefore, the benefit has been established. Staff has no objection to the requested transfer and finds the request meets the purpose of the Agreement, the Road Impact Fee Ordinance and the requirements of Florida Statute. ]

QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND MAKE A DECISION WHERE YOU WANT TO DO. I'M ALREADY ON RECORD I'M GOING TO DEFER TO YOUR DECISION ON HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED. HAVING SAID THAT, DOUG, COULD YOU TAKE A PAUSE AND GET WITH MIKE AND FONG AND ANYONE ELSE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM YOU NEED TO

AND ADDRESS THIS >> YES, WILL

>> OKAY PAUL? >> YES, SIR. LET'S MOVE ON TO 12.

IS THAT OKAY. JEREMIAH? >> I WAS GOING TO SAY IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THOSE ANSWERS. I AGREE. LET'S GET THOSE

>> NUMBER 12. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M TOM INGRAM, 233 EAST BAY STREET JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. I'M HERE REPRESENTING A& S LAND DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.

SO, THIS IS A REQUEST TO TRANSFER APPROXIMATELY $153,000 OF IMPACT FEE CREDITS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY RECEIVED IN THE EARLY 2000S. THEY WERE TRANSFERRED FROM A PROJECT THAT WAS KNOWN AS THE VININGS OFF COUNTY ROAD 210 TO THE BRIDGEWATER PUD.

I WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHERE THOSE ARE. THE VININGS IS A PROJECT IN THE AREA HERE. BRIDGEWATER IS OVER HERE. BY ROAD IT'S APPROXIMATELY 2.2 MILES AWAY. THE VININGS SITE WAS THE SUBJECT OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE A& S AS WELL AS A COUPLE OTHER DEVELOPERS JOINED TOGETHER TO PROPOSE TO BIDEN COUNTY ROAD 210 TO FOUR LANES AND THIS PREDATES 2009. THAT PROVIDED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THE VARIOUS DEVELOPERS SHARED AN IMPACT FEE CREDIT FOR WHICH A & S RECEIVED I BELIEVE IT WAS $300,000 IN IMPACT FEE CREDITS. THEY USED ABOUT $147,000.

THEY HAD THIS CREDIT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. AS I DISCUSSED EARLIER, ONE OF THE PARTNERS THE INVESTORS IN A AND S IS AT A POINT IN HER LIFE WHERE SHE NEEDS TO FINALIZE HER BUSINESS MATTERS QUICKLY. SO WE APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER AND MR. CHAIR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA. SO, JUST IN TERMS OF WAS THAT IMPROVEMENT ON COUNTY ROAD 210 THAT WAS DONE BY THE VININGS, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS BENEFICIAL TO BRIDGEWATER AND DOES IT MAKE SENSE USING THE STANDARDS IN THE STATUTE? AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE ROAD IMPACT

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FEE DISTRICT THAT IS, THAT THE VININGS IS IN IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT.

THE ONE THAT BRIDGEWATER IS IN. THE DIVIDING LINE IS I-95. HOWEVER, THE COUNTY'S ADOPTED METHODOLOGY FOR EVALUATING IMPACT LOOKS NOT AT ROAD IMPACT FEE DISTRICTS, IT LOOKS AT A POTENTIAL TRAFFIC IMPACT WITHIN A FOUR-MILE RADIUS OF A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

THE VININGS SITE, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT DONE WITH THE VININGS IS WELL WITHIN THE RADIUS. MORE OVER, THE BRIDGEWATER DEVELOPMENT DID A TRAFFIC STUDY AS YOU MAY RECALL. I THINK BRIDGEWATER WAS APPROVED A YEAR OR YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

BRIDGEWATER'S PROJECT TRAFFIC WAS SHOWN TO BE GOING ON THIS PARTICULAR SEGMENT.

34.3 OF COUNTY ROAD 210. AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS USED AS PART OF THE APPROVAL FOR THE BRIDGEWATER PROJECT CONCLUDED THAT 9% OF THE PROJECT TRIPS FROM BRIDGEWATER WOULD BE GOING ALONG THIS LINK. YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF. DOES BRIDGEWATER IMPACT THIS LINK? ABSOLUTELY. DID BRIDGEWATER BENEFIT FROM THIS PROJECT ABSOLUTELY BECAUSE THAT SEGMENT OF COUNTY ROAD 210 IS FOUR LANES AND NEARING CAPACITY. BUT FOR THE FOUR LANING IT WOULD BE WAY OVER CAPACITY AND THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A PROPORTIONATE SHARE CONTRIBUTION OWED BY THE BRIDGEWATER DEVELOPMENT TO HELP PAY FOR IT HAD IT NOT ALREADY BEEN DONE. IN SUMMARY, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO COUNTY ROAD 210 AND THE SEGMENT THAT THE VININGS AND A & S DID SOME -- ROUGHLY 15, 20 YEARS AGO. SO THERE IS AN EXCESS THERE AND WITH THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO

ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MAY >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> WHEN YOU READ IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER IT'S ON PAGE EIGHT OF OUR ORDER, BUT 4 B.

WAS RIGHT-OF-WAY -- YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT?

>> YES. SIGNED BY EVERYBODY -- I THINK THIS WAS MARY CONKEY.

TRYING TO DATE IT. THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO.

>> YEAH. I'M LOOKING AT 4 B. WAS ANY OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY

ACQUISITION CALCULATED IN YOUR IMPACT FEES? >> I BELIEVE RIGHT-OF-WAY

ACQUISITION WAS PART OF THE VALUE. >> WHEN YOU READ B, AND YOU

START OUT AND READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH UNDER B, HOW DO YOU -- >> IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH TALKS ABOUT ALL RIGHT-OF-WAYS SHALL BE ACQUIRED AT THE EXPENSE OF THE DEVELOPERS?

IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> THEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE NEXT LINE. IT TALKS ABOUT PAYING FOR ALL MOVEMENT OF UTILITIES BEFORE YOU

DEDICATE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THE COUNTY. >> OKAY.

SO HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN THE COUNTY OR THE IMPACT FEES WOULD COVER THAT?

>> IF IT'S AT OWNER'S EXPENSE. YOU SAY YOU HAVE EXCESS TO TRANSFER OR SELL?

>> I THINK IT WAS TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THE DEVELOPER WAS OBLIGATED TO MAKE THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT. THE DEVELOPER WAS OBLIGATED TO GET THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THE DEVELOPER COULD NOT LEAN ON THE COUNTY TO GO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR IT.

SO, THAT WAS PART OF THE COMMITMENTS MADE BY THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT. IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.

THIS COULD BE CASES WHERE THE GOVERNMENT WOULD ASSIST IN PROVIDING RIGHT-OF-WAY OR ACQUIRING NEW RIGHT-OF-WAY OR USING THE POWER OF IMMINENT DOMAIN AND THE COUNTY WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THEY WERE NOT COFUNDING THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT. THEY WERE DEPENDING ON THE

DEVELOPER TO FUND THE DEVELOPMENT. >> IF I'M HERE AS A COMMISSIONER READING THIS PUD, AND AGREEMENT, I'M READING TO YOU THAT I'M YOU UNDERSTAND THE UNDERSTANDING YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. NOW YOU'RE GETTING CREDITS AND YOU'RE GOING TO SELL THE CREDITS WHICH WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO. THIS IS PART OF WHAT I WANTED AT THE WORKSHOP, THE MONEY YOU'RE TRANSFERRING IS WORK BASICALLY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO.

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OR THEY WILL HAVE MORE CREDITS IN THE END. SO IS THE COUNTY LIABLE TO DO THAT WORK? IF YOU'RE DOING AN INTERSECTION AND HAVE THE IMPACT FEE CREDITS TO COVER THE COST OF THE INTERSECTION, WHO IS GOING TO COVER IT?

>> IN THIS CASE, THE SOURCE OF THE CREDITS IS AN AGREEMENT TO BUILD OR TO WIDEN COUNTY ROAD 210. COUNTY ROAD 210 WAS WIDENED MANY YEARS AGO.

SO, THE IMPROVEMENT HAS BEEN DONE. THE COUNTY AGREED AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT TO GIVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF IMPACT FEE CREDITS. A& S LAND DEVELOPMENT RECEIVED $300,000 OF THE CREDITS AND HAS ABOUT $153,000 LEFT. IT HASN'T BEEN ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION BY THE WAY. IT'S CONSIDERABLY MORE MONEY BACK THEN.

SO THAT'S THE ISSUE. THERE'S NO LIKE PENDING INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS OR

ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GETTING THE CREDITS, EVENTUALLY THERE WILL BE WORK THAT THE TAXPAYERS WILL HAVE TO PAY OUT OF POCKET FOR

DEVELOPMENT. >> SURE. SO, ON THAT, BRIDGEWATER DID HAVE AN APPROVED PROPORTIONATE SHARE AGREEMENT. IT AGREED TO MAKE A CASH CONTRIBUTION THAT CASH CONTRIBUTION IS LESS THAN THE TOTAL EXPECTED A LOT OF ROAD IMPACT FEES THAT IT WILL OWE THE COUNTY. SO THERE ARE NO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS CONTEMPLATED BY THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE AGREEMENT BETWEEN BRIDGEWATER AND THE COUNTY. IT'S SIMPLY CASH. AND BRIDGEWATER WILL ACTUALLY NEED TO PAY MORE THAN THEIR PROP SHARE. THEIR PROP SHARE WAS ABOUT $4.6 MILLION FOR WHICH THEY RECEIVED $4.284 MILLION IN CREDIT.

BUT THE COUNTY ESTIMATED AT THE TIME OF THE APPROVAL THAT THE TOTAL IMPACT FEES WOULD BE AND THIS IS ROAD IMPACT FEES BETWEEN 5.48 AND 5.68. OVER AND ABOVE THE PROP SHARE.

>> I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE LEGAL HAS AN IDEA I'M WRONG.

>> YES. COMMISSIONER, LATER IN THAT AGREEMENT ON PAGE 12, IT DOES TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPER RECEIVING CREDIT FOR THE VALUE OF THAT LAND ACQUISITION.

TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE 12. SUB PARAGRAPH A.

THEY ARE TO RECEIVE $2.6 MILLION AND CHANGE FOR THAT ACQUISITION AND IMPROVEMENTS ON 210.

>> OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, PAUL? >> NO.

WE CAN SPEND HOURS ON THIS. >> TRUE. WE PROBABLY WILL AT SOME POINT.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THROUGH THE CHAIR TO LEGAL.

I SEE HERE IN THE BRIEF STAFF SUMMARY THAT THE STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE REQUESTED TRANSFER. DOES THIS TRANSFER RELIEVE THE DEVELOPER OF THEIR OBLIGATIONS

THEY MADE WITH MARY CONKEY AND THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS? >> I BELIEVE THAT ACQUISITION IS

COMPLETED. I DON'T HAVE THE IMPROVEMENTS. >> THE ROAD IS FOUR LANES.

IT'S WIDENED AND LONG BEEN WIDENED. IT WAS TWO LANES BACK WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED AND EVEN MORE ST. JOHNS PARK WAY EXISTED IN THE AREA.

SO THE ROAD CAPACITY WENT FROM LIKE LESS THAN 2,000 PEAK HOUR TRIPS TO OVER 4000 PEAK HOUR TRIPS. THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY AN ESSENTIAL IMPROVEMENT NEEDED FOR THE COUNTY ROAD 210 CORRIDOR AND IS BUILT AND LONG LIKE I WAS, I DIDN'T HAVE NEARLY AS MUCH GRAY HAIR BACK THEN. I WAS A BABY LAWYER. I CARRIED THE BAG BACK IN THOSE

DAYS. >> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S POINT WE'RE NOT LETTING THEM OFF THE HOOK FOR AN AGREEMENT MADE WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY. SOUNDS LIKE NO THEY WERE REQUIRED TO DO THE

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT COMPLETES THE BOARD'S QUESTIONS. PUBLIC COMMENT ON --

>> YES, SIR. SO AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 12. ANYBODY WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 12 PLEASE

COME FORWARD. >> DESIGN TELLS US WHAT TO DO. WONDERFUL.

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BJ KLATY, WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. WE ARE HEARING THESE TWO TODAY.

MR. WALDRON. HE IS A MISTER BROUGHT UP THE WORKSHOP.

HERE WE ARE DOING THESE THINGS BECAUSE LAWYERS COME IN HERE AND GIVE AN ANSWER.

WELL I THINK SOME OF THESE ANSWERS ARE WISHY WASHY, THAT'S ME.

I'M NOT A LAWYER. BUT YOU CAN'T TALK TO THE POINT AND ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ESPECIALLY LIKE COMMISSIONER WALDRON WAS ASKING AND I THINK PUTTING OUR STAFF O RECORD LIKE THEY HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THIS. IS NOT FAIR. NOT ONLY TO THEM BUT FOR US TOO.

THIS IS MY REAL CONCERN ABOUT ALL THIS IMPACT FEE CREDIT AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT'S BEEN GOING ON. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALL THESE CREDITS CAN'T GIVE IT TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

OR WHATEVER. TO FIX OUR ROADS AND PUT IT WHERE YOU NEED IT.

LIKE A LIGHT A STOKES LANDING WHICH WAS DISCUSSED BEFORE. THE INVESTOR, EXCUSE ME, ONE OF THE INVESTOR NEEDS TO FINALIZE THE DEAL. THAT SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AT ALL. WE'RE NOT HERE FOR THE INVESTORS, WE'RE NOT HERE FOR THE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE MONEY NO MATTER HOW OLD THEY ARE OR HOW YOUNG THEY ARE.

WE ARE HERE THESE DEVELOPERS WILL DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO AND THESE IMPACT FEES WILL BE USED PROPERLY AND NOT IMPROPERLY. WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN MOVING FORWARD ON THIS.

I CAN SAY AGAIN AND WILL SAY PUBLICLY AGAIN. FOR MR. WALDRON, THE ONLY ONE WHO BROUGHT UP THE FACT YOU DIDN'T HAVE A WORKSHOP. THIS IS THE THIRD ONE THAT HAS COME IN HERE ABOUT THE IMPACT FEES AND WHO KNOWS WHO IS ON THE LIST TO COME BEFORE YOU ALL.

I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE CITIZENS AND TO GIVE THE OTHER LAWYER A FEW MINUTES TO GO BACK AND TALK TO SOMEBODY ABOUT SOMETHING. I WISH ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WAS AN ATTORNEY WOULD START ASKING THE QUESTIONS OF LAWYER AND BE SPECIFIC IN THAT MATTER AS IT WAS IN SOME OF THE OTHER MATTERS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS MORNING.

SO THIS SHOULDN'T BE A PASS TODAY. THANKS.

>> THANK YOU. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 12? SEEING NONE. CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT

>> THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT ON 12. IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, PAUL, DID YOU WANT TO POINT?

>> NO, SIR. >> WHOEF WHENSOEVER -- WHOEVER WROTE THIS UP, THERE'S CONTRADICTING INFORMATION IN THIS THING AND I HOPE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT NOW.

I LIKE CLARITY. I STILL THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MOVE FORWARD WE KNOW WHETHER I HAVE NOT GOTTEN AN ANSWER FROM STAFF AS TO EVENTUALLY THE ROAD WORK AND CREDITS WILL NOT HAVE TO GO DR HORTON WON'T HAVE TO GO TO 207 AND DO $967,000 OF WORK. DOES THE COUNTY PAY OR DO WE LET THE ROAD GO? THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO END UP.

THE TAXPAYERS PAYING THE BENEFIT FOR DEVELOPMENT TO COME. YOU KNOW THE TAXPAYERS THAT ARE

HERE NOW. >> YEAH. AND AGAIN, THAT'S ON ITEM 11 NOT

12. >> WELL, I JUST -- THAT'S WHY I WANT TO DISCUSS IT ALTOGETHER.

WHAT OUR THOUGHTS WOULD BE ON IT. WE CAN VOTE ON IT AND SEE WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO. IT WILL BE UP TO WHICH WAY THE BOARD WANTS TO GO.

>> LET'S ME ASK YOU THIS, PAUL. WOULD YOU BE IN AGREEMENT IF I MOVE TO POSTPONE ACTION ON 11 AND 12 NOT TAKE A VOTE TO APPROVE OR DENY BUT TO POSTPONE ACTION ON 11 AND 12 UNTIL SUCH

TIME AS WE HAVE THE WORKSHOP ON THE IMPACT FEE CREDIT TRANSFERS? >> THAT'S FINE WITH ME.

IF WE WANT TO MOVE IT UP AND DO IT QUICKLY. WE CAN DO IT AT YOUR LEISURE.

I THINK IT'S WAY MORE A BIGGER ISSUE THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IN THE RIGHT.

>> WELL I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH YOU. FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, THOSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT MAY BE A LITTLE I GUESS CONFOUNDED BY THIS DISCUSSION I'M HAVING WITH COMMISSIONER WALDRON. IS THAT WE TOOK UP AN IMPACT FEE TRANSFER AT LAST BOARD MEETING AND ALTHOUGH COMMISSIONER WALDRON AGREED TO HEAR IT, BUT HE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED THAT WE HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THIS ISSUE OF TRANSFER OF IMFACT FEE CREDITS BEFORE I AS CHAIRMAN WOULD AGENDA ANY FUTURE ITEMS. TO THAT, I CONCURRED AT THAT MEETING.

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SINCE THEN, I WAS BASICALLY ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL WHEN THIS AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED WITH THESE TWO ITEMS. HAD I NOT BEEN ASLEEP, I WOULD NOT HAVE PUT THEM ON THE AGENDA.

I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONUNDRUM HERE. WHEN I MAKE A PROMISE I WANT TO KEEP IT. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE 11 AND 12 UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE HAVE WORKSHOP ON TRANSFER OF IMPACT FEE CREDITS AND THAT WILL BE MY MOTION.

>> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ANY COMMENTS?

>> YES, SIR. >> WELL JUST GIVEN THIS IS THE ONLY TIME TO TALK TO COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS.

I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT AND I WANT TO HEAR YOUR OPINION. >> I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND WHAT COMMISSIONER WALDRON IS POINTING OUT. WE DID AGREE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. YOU THINK OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOPS ARE COMING UP.

JUST SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS, WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF TURNOVER IN THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. THIS IS SOMETHING WE RECOGNIZE WE NEED TO DO.

I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND IT. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HEARD FROM STAFF.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD AN ANSWER. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT TO HEAR THEIR VIEWPOINT. I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOU. COMMISSIONER DEAN IF YOU KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO POSTPONE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COMMISSION

WALDRON'S QUESTIONS ANSWERED. >> AND ALSO TO GIVE COMMISSIONER ARNOLD TIME.

I KNOW THIS IS NEW TO YOU. THIS WILL IMPACT MY DISTRICT AND YOUR DISTRICT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I SUPPORT TABLING THIS UNTIL A LATER DATE. >> THAT'S WHERE MY HEAD WAS TOO COMMISSIONER DEAN. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO POSTPONE 11 AND 12 UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE HAVE THE WORKSHOP ON TRANSFER OF IMPACT FEE CREDITS. AND I WILL ASK, I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE.

THAT PASS SAYS 5-0. >> BEFORE THE COMMISSION DISBANDS FOR THE YEAR.

IF THEY HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS TIME FRAMES FOR THE WORKSHOP. >> I THINK IN FAIRNESS TO THE APPLICANTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOPEFULLY SOME TIME IN JANUARY I WOULD HOPE.

WE NEED TO MOVE ON WITH THIS ISSUE AND WE NEED TO HAVE THE WORKSHOP THAT COMMISSIONER

[13. Summer Haven FEMA Berm. HOA Board Members from Summer Island and Barritaria Association met on December 8, 2021, to discuss the decision the Board of County Commissioners made to pursue a managed retreat from Summer Haven. Representatives of the communities, Larry Monahan (Summer Island) and Ken Manning (Barritaria), would like to provide feedback to the Board. ]

WALDRON HAS REQUESTED. >> MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, THE WORKSHOP IS SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY JANUARY 25TH. I BELIEVE THE TIME CERTAIN IS FROM 9:00 TO NOON.

WE WILL CONFIRM THAT AND HAVE A PRESS RELEASE OUT. TUESDAY JANUARY 25TH FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE LISTENING AUDIENCE. AND IT'S ON EVERYBODY'S CALENDAR. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 13. IF MY SYLLABUS IS CORRECT HERE.

>> OKAY. I THINK IS LARRY MONAGHAN AVAILABLE.

WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM THE SUMMER ISLAND AND BAR TARRIA HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO

DISCUSS I THINK SUMMER HAVEN ISSUE. >> LARRY, I THINK WE WERE

ALLOWING 15 MINUTES PRESENTATION. >> UNLESS YOU WANT TO ROUND UP.

I THINK WE'RE AT 15 MINUTES AND >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> ON BEHALF OF SUMMER ISLAND IN BARTARRIA COMMUNITIES, I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON THE AGENDA TODAY. WE ARE HERE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. ONE IS REALLY THE DISCUSSION NEED ON DECEMBER 16TH SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE BREECH AREA AND A COUPLE COMMENTS THAT CAME OUT AND A DECISION WAS MADE ON LOOKING AT MANAGED RETREAT FROM SUMMER HAVEN. IN ADDITION TO THAT, COMMENTS THAT WERE PART OF THE OTHER PUBLICATIONS THAT INVOLVE PURCHASING THE AFFECTED HOMES AND LETTING THE BEACH RECOVERY TO ITS NATURAL STATE. OBVIOUSLY SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DECISIONS HERE AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF

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SUMMER HAVEN. SO, WHO WE ARE. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE THE FOCUS HAS BEEN ON THE BREECH AREA. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP HERE, THE BREECH AREA IS THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF SUMMER HAVEN. SUMMER HAVEN IS MADE UP OF 275 PROPERTIES.

YOU HAVE MY COMMUNITY, SUMMER ISLAND. 90 HOMES THERE.

AND THEN YOU HAVE A HISTORIC AREA WITHIN MELON COURT AND JEANNE JOHNSON AND A 1 A AS WELL. HISTORIC HOMES THAT ARE PART OF THIS.

SO ANYTHING THAT OCCURS, ANY BREECH THAT YOU LOOK AT ALONG THAT BEACH AREA IS GOING TO IMPACT ALL OF SUMMER HAVEN BUT ALSO THE WATER WAYS IF YOU LOOK AT THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER, THE INTERCOASTAL AND ALL THE WAY UP NORTH TOWARDS THE INLET AS WELL. IN ADDITION TO THIS, WHEN WE LOOK AT SUMMER HAVEN, IT'S VITAL TO THE QUALITY OF THE LIFE OF COUNTY RESIDENTS AND ALSO THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND I READ SOMEWHERE THAT 76% OF THE RESIDENTS OF FLORIDA LIVE ON COASTAL AREAS. IT'S LIKE 15 MILLION PEOPLE. THOSE 275 HOMEOWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS OF PART OF THAT GROUP AS WELL. SO IN ADDITION TO THE RESIDENTS WE DO HAVE PARKS AND WE ALSO HAVE INCREDIBLE RECREATION WITHIN SUMMER HAVEN.

SO YOU KNOW THE HELEN MELON MARK WITH BOAT KAYAKING. THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER.

THE BOATING FISHING AND SWIMMING. ACCESS TO MANMANZAS AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF GROUPS THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SUMMER HAVEN INCLUDING THE WHITNEY LAB PART OF THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. ALSO THE LOCAL SCHOOLS AND SCIENCE PROGRAMS AND ANY GIVEN DAY YOU MAY SEE AND KAYAKERS OUT THERE. PADDLE BORDERS AND CAMPS WITH KIDS AND BUSES ET CETERA. AN INCREDIBLE TREASURE FOR NOT ONLY THE COUNTY BUT ALSO FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA. IF YOU, I KNOW THE FOCUS HAS BEEN ON TOURISM.

IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF SO IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING BUT WE FEEL THIS AREA, THIS SUMMER HAVEN AREA PROVIDES A TOURIST ATTRACTION AND ALSO YOU KNOW SUPPORTS THE GOALS OF THE COUNTY AS WELL. THIS NEXT SLIDE IS THE CURRENT CONDITION ON THE PORT DO YOU KNOW. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PHOTO. DIRECTLY ACROSS IS OUR SUMMER ISLAND COMMUNITY. THESE ARE 90 RESIDENTS. THIS POOR DUNE DID ITS JOB AFTER THE NOR EASTERN THAT HAVE SHOWN THE BREACH AREA AND SUMMER HAVEN.

WE DID NOT FAIR AS WELL IN HURRICANE MATTHEW. THIS DUNE DID NOT EXIST AND WE EXPERIENCED A FLOODING THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. WE SPENT OVER $300,000 AS A COMMUNITY FIXING OUR CLUBHOUSE, THE FENCING AREA AND A NUMBER OF OTHER AMENITIES.

AND AGAIN THE CONTRAST HERE IS THAT YOU KNOW THIS IS THE DUNE THAT EXIST TODAY.

THE PORT DUNE. IT DID GET HIT BUT IT HELD. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY ISSUE AT ALL WITH THE LATEST NOR EASTERN AS WELL. SO IT'S A POINT I WANTED TO MAKE. FAR RIGHT THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE BREACH AREA.

IT IS A MAJOR CONCERN TO AGAIN AS I MENTION TO ALL OF SUMMER HAVEN.

AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO TURN OVER TO KEN MANNING AND WILL GO OVER SOME OVER VIEW OF BARTARRIA

AND THIS IMPACT IT HAS TO SUMMER HAVEN AS WELL. >> MADAM AND MR. COMMISSIONERS THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. KEN MANNING, 246 BARTARRIA DRIVE SAINT AUGUSTINE.

YOU MAY BE ASKING YOURSELF WHY ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT THE ENTIRETY OF SUMMER HAVEN WHEN THE ISSUE SEEMS TO BE A BREACH THAT'S ON THE BEACH THAT IS DIRECTLY AFFECTING FOUR OR FIVE

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HOUSES OUT THERE. WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU, YES INDEED THE ENTIRETY OF SUMMER HAVEN IS IN EFFECT IN TROUBLE BECAUSE OF A NON-FLOWING SUMMER HAVEN RIVER CAUSED BY THE BREACH. SO THE BREACH ITSELF IS CAUSING SUBSTANTIAL EROSION ALONG THE SHORE LINE IN MATANZAS INLET. WE EXPERIENCED FOR TWO, THREE YEARS A NONFLOWING RIVER.

IT WAS ONLY RECENTLY REOPENED. WE NOTICED SIGNIFICANT EROSION OF THE SOUTHERN SHORE LINE OF MATANSAS INLET IMPACTING MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT YOU SEE SITTING HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY NOT ONLY FINANCIALLY BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF THEIR ABILITY TO MANAGE THEIR OWN PROPERTY AND CREATING POSSIBLY DANGEROUS CONDITIONS FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THE VISITORS TOO IN MATANZAS INLET.

THIS IS WHAT BARTARRIA ISLAND LOOKED LIKE IN 2008. YOU NOTICED IN THE BLUE ARROWS.

THERE WAS A NORTHWARD FLOW WHEN THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER WAS OPEN. THIS WAS PRIOR TO THE ORIGINAL BREECH OF THE BIG NOR EASTERN BACK END. I BELIEVE IT WAS LATE 2008.

2009. YOU WILL NOTICE THE CHANNEL IN THE MATANZAS INLET IS OFF THE SHORE LINE. THE MAIN FLOW OF THE WATER COMING NORTH WAS OPPOSING THE EXIT OF THE TIDE COMING SOUTH. NOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS AN ENTIRE ESTUARY OF WATER FROM THE CREEK NORTHWARD TO THE CREEKS IN THE WETLANDS THAT MUST GO UP NORTH AROUND FORT MATANSAS AND SOUTH. ALL OF A SUDDEN IT HAS TO TURN LEFT AND EXIT TO THE SEA.

THAT'S NOT A NATURAL FLOW. I SAW A COMMENT ABOUT RETURNING TO ITS NATURAL STATE.

I WOULD ARGUE AND SOME OF US ARGUE THE NATURAL STATE WAS ACTUALLY WHEN THERE WAS A GAP IN RATTLESNAKE ISLAND AND THE INLET THAT FLOATED TO THE INTERCOASTAL WATER WAY.

THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIAL BEACH ON THE SOUTH SHORE OF MATANZAS INLET.

WITHOUT THE FLOW TO PUSH THE CURRENT BACK TOWARDS THE MIDDLE OF THE INLET, THIS IS WHAT OUR INLET LOOKS LIKE. THERE'S NO BEACH AND THAT LEDGE THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU THERE IS ABOUT 25 TO 35 FEET DEEP WITHIN A COUPLE OF FEET OF THE LEDGE.

IT'S A CLIFF THAT HAS BEEN CARVED INTO THE SOUTHERN SHORE OF THE MATANZAS INLET.

SOME OF MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS HERE THAT HAVE SPENT WELL OVER $150,000 OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS TO FILL ROCKS IN TO KEEP THE FLOW, THE EXIT OF MATANZAS EXIT FROM LITERALLY WASHING AWAY THEIR BACKYARDS. THAT'S A FLOOD SHOAL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INLET AND SQUEEZED THE FLOW INTO ABOUT A 30 FOOT WIDE CHANNEL CUTTING MORE AND MORE INTO THE SOUTH SHORE OF BARTARRIA ISLAND. YOU CAN SEE THE SCOUR CONTINUING TO OCCUR THERE.

THIS IS BECAUSE THERE'S NO NORTHWARD FLOW TO PUSH BACK TO THE INLET ITSELF.

WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THIS? WE KNOW AT LEAST WE BELIEVE THAT LOW OR NO FLOW FROM THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER IS CREATING EXPENSIVE EROSION OF THE SOUTH BANK OF THE INLET AND INCLUDES EFFECT UPON NOT ONLY BARTARRIA BUT JEANNE JOHNSON AND THE MELON COMMUNITIES.

OVER 200 PROPERTIES ARE FACING SOME IMPACT FROM THIS LACK OF FLOW OF THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER.

SOME SOLUTIONS THAT WE WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU DURING THE COURSE OF A TOWN HALL MEETING OR A WORKSHOP TO THE COMMISSION WOULD BE THAT NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE ALREADY SOLICITED A CURSORY INPUT FROM A COASTAL ENGINEER TO VERIFY WHAT WE BELIEVE IS GOING ON.

THAT ENGINEER IS IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT WE THINK IS HAPPENING. AND THERE ARE SOME SOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO SHARE WITH YOU MORE TIME ALLOTTED DURING A

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TOWN HALL MEETING. AND SO, OUR SOLUTIONS ARE YET CURSORY, THEY ARE NOT OFFICIAL.

WE HAVE NOT INCURRED THE EXPENSE OF VYING THE SERVICES OF A COASTAL ENGINEERING FIRM.

THESE ARE JUST INITIAL FINDING SAYS AND WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT TO THE NEXT STEP AND DISCUSS THIS MORE IN DEPTH WITH A COASTAL ENGINEERING FIRM AND THE IMPACT.

I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO LARRY FOR CLOSING COMMENTS. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

>> SOME OTHER KEY CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE MENTIONED. WE HAVE SCENIC A 1 A COASTAL HIGHWAY THAT SPLITS SUMMER HAVEN AT THIS POINT. THIS IS A PHOTO FROM MATTHEW AND THIS IS ON THE SOUTHERN END OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS IS WHERE THE WATER BREECH ACROSS. THROUGH THE DUNE STRUCTURE THERE TODAY.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE. IT HELD UP THE DUNE CLOSEST TO MARINE LAND LEADING UP TO THE SOUTHERN PART OF A1 A AS WELL. AND TO THE FAR RIGHT, THIS IS MORE THE CENTRAL PART OF SUMMER HAVEN. YOU CAN SEE THE SAME EROSION ON 1 A.

BASED ON THE STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AND REPORT, YOU CAN SEE THE COMMENTS, THE ONLY HURRICANE EVACUATION ROUTE FOR OUR RESIDENTS LEADING OFF THE ISLAND.

OTHER KEY CONSIDERATIONS I TOUCHED UPON THIS BEFORE. THESE ARE TAKEN FROM SUMMER HAVEN WITHIN THE RIVER. YOU CAN SEE THE RECREATION THAT INVOLVES.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE FAR RIGHT, THERE'S A MANATEE. AND FEEDING AND SUMMER HAVEN RIVER WE HAVE VIDEO OF THAT. NOT TOO LONG AGO AS WELL. SO OTHER OBVIOUSLY KEY CONSIDERATIONS. JUST TO WRAP UP, WE NEED YOUR HELP.

WE NEED THE COUNTY'S HELP AND WE NEED YOUR SPONSORSHIP AND COMMITMENT TO A, PROTECT OUR HOMES WITHIN SUMMER HAVEN. THE 275 HOMES. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW PROTECTING THE NATURAL RESOURCES THAT WE ENJOY THAT THE WHOLE COUNTY, THAT FLORIDA ENJOYS AS WELL AND CLEARLY TO HELP WITH OUR SAFETY ON A 1 A. THIS IS FIRE AND RESCUE PRE-POST EVENTS. THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT AS WELL.

SO, AS TED MENTIONED, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A FORMAL TOWN HALL. WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DECISION TO GO TO A MANAGED RETREAT WITHOUT A WORKSHOP AS KEN MENTIONED.

WITHOUT THE ENGAGEMENT WITH HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE A STAKE IN IT BUT ALSO OTHERS THAT HAVE A STAKE IN IT AS WELL. AS KEN MENTIONED ALSO, THIS TOWN HALL WE WOULD LOVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT HAVE COME OUT.

SOME OF THE EARLY SOLUTIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT. AND INCLUDING THE MAINTAINING OF A DUNE STRUCTURE AND WE WILL CALL IT A BEST IN CLASS DUNE STRUCTURE THAT WOULD PROTECT THE RESIDENTS OF SUMMER ISLAND AND SUMMER HAVEN AND ALSO YOU KNOW INSURE THE SAFETY AS WELL.

SO AGAIN ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITIES WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON YOUR AGENDA. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR ON GOING

SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THIS CALLS TODAY FOR NOW ACTION. THIS WAS SIMPLY A PRESENTATION OR REPORT AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING FOR STARTERS. ALL THOSE WHO ARE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE FROM SUMMER HAVEN, WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR HAND SO WE CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AN ISSUE OF GREAT IMPORTANCE. AND I FOR ONE WANT TO SAY TWO THINGS AND CALL THIS AS YOUR DISTRICT. I WANT TO CALL ON YOU. I WANT TO SAY TWO THING.

NUMBER ONE, THE DISCUSSION I PARTICIPATED IN ON NOVEMBER 16TH WAS SOMEWHAT FREE FLOWING AND IN RESPONSE TO A PRESENTATION WITH JOE G ON NOVEMBER 6TH AND SEVENTH.

AND WITH THAT SAID, I BASICALLY SUGGESTED THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT SOME TYPE OF I GUESS ACTION TO RESOLVE THE ON GOING EXPENSE OF AND RECURRING REPAIRS TO THE SPIT I CALL SUMMER HAVEN.

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IT'S REALLY THE SPIT THAT IS THE SOUTHERN END OF THE SUMMER HAVEN PROPERTY.

AND I DEFINE THAT AND WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IT ON NOVEMBER 16TH, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT ARE THOSE HOMES THAT WERE PART OF AND STILL ARE PART OF THE LAWSUIT AND THE ORIGINAL SETTLEMENT THAT WAS ENTERED INTO BETWEEN THE HOMEOWNERS AND THIS COUNTY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT BOUND US AZ COMMISSION TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THOSE HOMES WHEN THERE IS NOT A PERMANENT GOOD SOLUTION IN MY OPINION BASED ON SPENDING A FEW YEARS IN THIS FIELD OF BEACH RENOURISHMENT AND WATER RESOURCES. I SUGGESTED WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. I FOR ONE SUGGESTED WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER SOME TYPE OF VOLUNTARY ACQUISITION PROGRAM OF ONLY THOSE HOMES THAT ARE PART OF THAT SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THAT WAS ENTERED INTO YEARS AGO. BECAUSE I THINK THAT MOTHER NATURE IS JUST TOO OVERWHELMING AT THAT POINT TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT PROTECTION OF THOSE HOMES.

STAFF COULD TELL ME, I THINK THERE ARE ONLY 12 OR 13 AT THIS POINT.

IF THERE ARE MORE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT FROM GREG OR SOMEBODY.

IN THE MEANTIME, I ALSO SECONDLY, I SAID I HAD TWO POINTS.

I HAVE BEEN A VERY STRONG ADVOCATE OF THE RESTORATION AND PROTECTION OF THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER GOING BACK TO ROUGHLY 2012-2014 WHEN I GOT INVOLVED LONG BEFORE I WAS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER. I GOT INVOLVED BECAUSE AS THE FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. I RECOGNIZE THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER WAS PROVIDING ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS TO THE MATANZAS RIVER ESTUARY. IT ALSO PROVIDES FLUSHING OF THE SEDIMENTS COMING OUT OF THE CREEK AND THE BASIN. THERE ARE MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS AS WELL AS ECONOMIC AND RECREATIONAL BENEFITS OF HAVING A RESTORED RIVER.

I'M ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF OBVIOUSLY. I THINK THAT I FEEL STRONGLY THAT RIVER NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED AND RESERVED FOR THE REASONS I MENTIONED.

I FEEL AS A COUNTY. WE NEED TO AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE FEEL THAT BREACH THAT HAS OCCURRED AGAIN BECAUSE A STITCH IN TIME SAVES NINE. I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE US TO GET ON WITH THE FILLING IN AND THE CLOSURE OF THAT BREACH. SO.

I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS WITH THE HOMEOWNERS. I HAVE BEEN A SUPPORTER OF THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER SINCE 2014. I MET WITH SOME OF YOU AT YOUR HOMES AND DISCUSSED THAT.

THAT'S WHERE I AM. THIS HAPPENS TO BE IN DISTRICT THREE.

NOT DISTRICT FIVE. SO I WANT TO TURN TO MY COMMISSIONER, MY COLLEAGUE,

COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND SEE IF HE HAS THOUGHTS. >> IT WOULD BE GOOD TO EXPLORE GETTING THE RIVER BACK DREDGED WITH THE PORT AUTHORITY. AS FAR AS THE BREACH RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NO SOLUTION THAT WE PUT THAT MONEY IN THERE. WE HAVE NOREASTER GOING ON RIGHT NOW. IT PROBABLY WILL BE GONE AGAIN. IT'S, YOU KNOW I GREW UP HERE.

WE USED TO FISH ON THAT RIVER AND BEING UP AND DOWN IT. THE HOMEOWNERS NEED HELP PROTECTING THEIR HOMES OR US TO GET OUT OF YOUR WAY OR LOBBY DUP, HAPPY TO DO THAT AND GET YOU THE PERMITS TO ALLOW YOU TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. IT HAS BEEN A NEVER ENDING BATTLE OVER THE YEARS WERE THE STATE RECOGNIZED THAT WHEN IT MOVED TO A1 A BACK IN THE 80S.

YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE A SOLUTION BEFORE WE PUT MONEY INTO A BREACH.

THE DUNE WORKED AGAINST THE NOR EASTERN AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HOLDUP TO A 1 HUNDRED YEAR STORM. HOW MANY YEARS DID WE HAVE THAT? IF THE DUNE WON'T HOLDUP TO A NOR EASTERN, I DON'T SEE IT HOLDING UP TO A HURRICANE. IF WE CAN GET THE RIVER DREDGED AND STATE HELP OR FEDERAL HELP OR FROM THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS EVERYBODY PAYS INTO, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THAT SAND PUT BACK ON THE BEACH HERE. AND IT'S REALLY A SHAME.

IT'S DISHEARTENING TO SEE IT GET WASHED AWAY. WE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORTS

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TO GET THE SEA OATS IN THERE. IT WAS DISHEARTENING TO SEE IT ALL GONE AGAIN.

I WOULD BE WILLING TO TRY TO DO WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET THE RIVER BACK.

IT SHOULD BE TIDAL. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT IS ANYMORE FROM THE BREACH.

IT SHOULD RUN NORTH SOUTH JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES. I SPOKE WITH ARMY CORPS ABOUT THE INLET. THERE'S NOTHING THEY WILL DO ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T CONSIDER IT NAVIGATABLE FOR ANY BIGGER BOATS TO COME IN. IT'S A SHAME.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET THEIR HELP. WE CAN ALWAYS ASK AGAIN TO SEE WHAT KIND OF FUNDS. YOU KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO IS ON THE BEACH SIDE THEY WILL ALWAYS HAVE MSTU AND MAYBE SOMETHING THAT HAS TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY TO HELP OFF SET THE COSTS. BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND TRY TO GET STAFF TO GET NUMBERS ON IT. AS FAR AS RUNNING OUT AND PUTTING OVER A MILLION DOLLARS OF SAND IN A BREECH, THAT COULD BE GONE NEXT STORM IS DISHEARTENING TO ME AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO TAXPAYERS. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANT TO WEIGH IN? NOW IS THE TIME.

YOU HEARD FROM AT LEAST TWO OF US. I FOR ONE AS CHAIRMAN WILL TRY TO SCHEDULE SOME TYPE OF TOWN HALL MEETING IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE TO DRIVE FURTHER INTO THIS ISSUE NO PUN INTENDED. I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU FOR TURNING OUT.

IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR US AS YOUR COMMISSIONERS. AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH YOU TO COME UP WITH THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION. COMMISSIONER DEAN.

IF WE HAVE A TOWN HALL. WE WILL TRY TO MAKE SURE LEGAL DOES.

WE CAN'T DISCUSSION IT. IF IT'S ADVERTISED WE CAN HAVE OPEN CONVERSATIONS.

[14. First Reading of Amendments to Litter Ordinance to Prohibit Release of Balloons and Sky Lanterns. At its November 16, 2021 regular meeting, the Board of County Commissioners directed the County Attorney's office to prepare draft amendments to the litter ordinance, Ordinance No. 1988-26, to prohibit the release of balloons. At present, only the release of 10 or more balloons is unlawful under Florida statute. Recently, local governments in Florida, including neighboring jurisdictions such as the City of St. Augustine and the City of St. Augustine Beach, have adopted ordinances banning the intentional release of any balloons. Other jurisdictions have included in their ordinances a ban on sky lanterns, which are a specific type of balloon held aloft by the hot air from a flame. A memo describing the current state of the law and including applicable statute and recent ordinances from the area is attached to this agenda item. This agenda item includes proposed amendments to Ord. 1988-26 that would make the release of any number of sky lanterns or balloons a violation of the ordinance. Additional supporting documentation is also attached. ]

JUST MAKE SURE WE DO ADVERTISE THAT IN PLENTY OF TIME. >> GOOD POINT.

THANK YOU. I HAD PEOPLE OH, YOU DIDN'T COME.

IF I KNEW COMMISSIONER DEAN WAS COMING, I WOULD LET HIM GO AND DO THE SPEAKING.

IF I'M COMING, I WILL DO THE SPEAKING. WE CAN'T BOTH BE THERE AND SPEAK ON IT. THANK YOU. JUST WANT TO LET Y'ALL KNOW

THAT. >> THANKS GUYS FOR COMING. OKAY.

ITEM 14. GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIRMAN. ITEM 14.

IS REQUESTED AMENDMENT TO THE LITTER ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS BALLOONS AND THE SKY LANTERNS.

YOU WILL RECALL THE BOARD DID ASK OUR OFFICE TO PROPOSE AN ORDINANCE AT THE REQUEST OF A CONSTITUENT. A BIT OF BACKGROUND. THERE'S AN EXISTING STATUTE THAT MAKES IT ILLEGAL TO RELEASE 10 OR MORE BALLOONS AT ANY TIME WITH CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS FOR HOT AIR BALLOONS OR INDOOR RELEASES. THE REQUEST WAS TO ADOPT A LOCAL ORDINANCE OR AMENDMENT TO THE LITTER ORDINANCE THAT WOULD DROP THE NUMBER DOWN TO ZERO REALLY THAT YOU COULD NOT RELEASE ANY AMOUNT OF BALLOONS. SKY LANTERNS, I THINK THE BOARD IS FAMILIAR WITH THOSE.

THEY ARE SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS CHINESE LANTERNS WHERE THERE'S A FLAME AND THE FLAME, THE EXPANSION OF GAS IN THE FLAME WOULD CAUSE IT TO GO UP INTO THE AIR.

THEY ARE, THE RELEASE OF THOSE ARE ILLEGAL AND THE THAT >> FIRE PREVENTION CODES.

THEY ARE CONSIDERED FIREWORKS. SO THE SALE IS RESTRICTED OF SKY LANTERNS AS WELL AND THE FIRE PREVENTION CODE MAKES THE RELEASE OF THEM ILLEGAL ON A STATE WIDE BASIS.

BUT IN THIS PROPOSED LITTER ORDINANCE. WE BRING BALLOONS AND SKY LANTERNS IN THE ORDINANCE AND THE RELEASE OF THOSE WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THOSE.

HERE'S THE OPERATIVE LANGUAGE. THERE COULD BE AN EXCEPTION FOR GOVERNMENTAL RELEASES AND INDOOR RELEASES. THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED HAVE BEEN REALLY ENVIRONMENTAL AND SAFETY RELATED. I THINK YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHEN A NUMBER OF BALLOONS ARE RELEASED, THEY DO COME DOWN AND LAND IN WATER WAYS AND PRESENT A DANGER TO WILDLIFE AS WELL AS BEING AN EYE SORE AND SKY LANTERNS CREATE A RISK OF FIRE AS YOU WILL SEE IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE WITH THE NUMBER OF RECITALS ON A NATIONAL BASIS THE NATIONAL FIRE PREVENTION

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ASSOCIATION HAS INDICATED THEY ARE CLEARLY A SAFETY RISK AND SHOULD NEVER BE RELEASED.

THAT'S BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AS WELL. SAINT AUGUSTINE AND FERN ANDINA HAVE THOSE. I DID NOT SEE WHERE FLAGLER OR VO LUCIA HAVE AN ORDINANCE.

I THINK YOU ALL EITHER MET WITH OR HAD A PRESENTATION FROM CONCERNED CITIZENS RELATING TO THIS. I KNOW THERE IS AT LEAST SOME SUPPORT.

I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY OPPOSITION TO MAKING THIS AMENDMENT. AT THIS POINT, NO ACTION IS NEEDED. THIS IS THE FIRST READING. IT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK IF THE BOARD WISHES FOR A SECOND READING AND I WILL STAND READY FOR QUESTIONS OR DIRECTION THAT THE BOARD MIGHT HAVE. ACTUALLY LET ME ADD ONE NOTE. I PROBABLY ALSO DID RECEIVE AN E-MAIL FROM THE CONCERNED CONSTITUENT ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL RECITALS WHICH I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH RELATED TO THE BALLOON COUNCIL, THE INDUSTRY GROUP FOR BALLOON MANUFACTURERS WHO HAVE COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF NOT HAVING RELEASE, BALLOON RELEASES OUT DOOR. I CAN INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE RECITALS WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WELL. WITH THAT NOTE, I STAND READY FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OF BRAD? OKAY. WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

I KNOW THERE'S NO VOTE ON THIS. WE WANT PUBLIC COMMENT NEVERTHELESS.

>> NOW WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 14.

PUBLIC COMMENT. EARLY CHRISTMAS PRESENT. OUTSTANDING.

BALLOONS. NI NICOLE CROSBY.

THANK YOU FOR THE FIVE MINUTES COMMISSIONER DEAN. THIS IS A SMALL FRACTION OF THE BALLOON LITTER ALONG FLAGLER BEACH AND SIMILAR TO WHAT IS PICKED UP ON THE COAST LINE.

THANK YOU CHAIRMAN DEAN FOR REQUESTING A DRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE.

ATT ATTORNEY BULL THEUS. AND PUTTING OTHER PEOPLES LIVES AT RISK SENDING FLAMING LANTERNS OVER PONTE VEDRA HOMES. A FEW WEEKS LATER, IS THIS SHOWING UP ANYWHERE? I HAVE A BUNCH OF VISUALS. NO.

THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. A FEW WEEKS SKY LANTERNS SET PATIO FURNITURE ON FIRE IN PONTE VEDRA. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS CALLED TO PUT IT OUT. THESE THINGS HAVE CAUSED DEATH AND DESTRUCTION WORLDWIDE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND WHITEHURST FOR YOUR TIME AND COMMENTS.

AND CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR NEWLY APPOINTED COMMISSIONERER, SARAH AR ARNOLD, COMMISSIONER SMITH SAYS HE PICKS UP BALLOONS FROM THEIR FARMS. ONE FARMER WROTE IN SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU'RE BALLOONS DID NOT REACH HEAVEN.

THEY LANDED UP IN OUR HAY BAILS. I PULLED OUT AT LEAST 30 PIECES I PRAY I GOT IT ALL.

THIS FARMER WAS LUCKY AND PULLED OUT 11 BALLOONS BEFORE THEY WERE BAILD AND FED TO HIS ANIMALS.

THIS CALF DIED EATING A BALLOON HOLE. JUST LIKE SEA TURTLES, THE FARM ANIMALS ARE DRAWN TO BALLOONS. YOU COULDN'T CREATE A MORE PERFECT LURE FOR SEA TURTLES THAN A LATEX BALLOON THAT EXPLODED INTO THE SHAPE OF A JELLY FISH.

THEY ARE FOUND EVERY WEEK UNBELIEVABLY WITH STRINGS ATTACHED.

THIS STUDY CONCLUDES THAT THE DISPROPORTIONATE INGESTION OF BALLOONS BY SEA TURTLES HIGHLIGHTS THE NEED FOR A PREVENTION PLAN. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE ABOUT TODAY. LIKE AN ORDINANCE DOES DO NOT RELEASE BALLOONS.

DTM PUT A GREAT SIGN THAT SHOWS BALLOONS SHOULD NOT BE RELEASED. BALLOONS ALSO KILL HUMANS.

THE CHILD SAFETY PROTECTION ACT PASSED 17 YEARS AGO CITES BALLOONS THE NUMBER ONE SAFETY HAZARDS FOR ALL PRODUCTS. EVERY LATEX BALLOON COMES WITH THIS WARNING.

CHOKING HAZARD. CHILDREN UNDER EIGHT YEARS COULD CHOKE ON OR SUFFOCATE.

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HOW CAN WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW A NUMBER OF LATEX BALLOONS TO BE RELEASED ON WHERE CHILDREN LIVE AND PLAY? ONCE A BALLOON IS IN A CHILD'S MOUTH CAN BE INHALED AND MOLDED INTO THE BALLOONS. THEY KILL QUICKLY. FOUR MINUTES TO SAVE A CHILD.

BUT CAN THIS ORDINANCE BE UPHELD? I REQUESTED PUBLIC RECORDS TO SEE HOW MANY LITTER CITATIONS WERE HANDED OUT. JUST TWO PEOPLE WERE CITED FOR LITTERING. CLEARLY IT'S TOUGH TO CATCH A LITTER AND WE'RE NOT UNUNDATED WITH LITTER BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE WANT TO OBEY THE LAW. THE EXPANSION WILL REVENT MANY BALLOON RELEASES EVEN THOUGH WE WON'T SEE MANY CITATIONS. IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY AN OFFICER WILL ENTER THE SCENE WHEN BALLOONS ARE RELEASED GETTING READY TO RELEASE THEM.

THAT COULD BE LIKE A 15, 20 MINUTE TIME PERIOD. EVEN THAT SCENARIO IS UNLIKELY SINCE SIGNS, WORD OF MOUTH AND PUBLICITY WILL PREVENT MOST BALLOON RELEASES FROM HAPPENING.

SHERIFF HARDWICK SAYS THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE ORDINANCE MAKES SENSE.

HE FURTHER SAID WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF IT NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER. WHEN ASKED WHO WOULD ENFORCE, HE SAID ST. AUGUSTINE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, COUNTY CODE ENFORCEMENT. ANY ENTITY CAN FULLY ENFORCE AND WOULDN'T HURT FOR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO LIST THIS ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA TO SAY IT'S PUNISHABLE ABOUT WITH A FINE. EVEN THE TRADE ORGANIZATIONS, THE BALLOON COUNCIL TELLS THE PUBLIC TO STOP RELEASING BALLOONS. ALL BALLOONS AND FINALLY, THERE ARE 1160 PEOPLE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHO ASKED YOU TO PASS THIS ORDINANCE IN THEIR PETITIONS HAVEN'T MET A SINGLE PERSON OPPOSED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, NICOLE. SORRY ABOUT MY LITTER. IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER?

>> DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 14? ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> NO ACTION ON THIS ITEM. WILL COME BACK TO US ON SECOND READING FOR A VOTE.

UNLESS THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR BRAD. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

THE BALLOONS WITH STRINGS ATTACHED. ISN'T THAT ILLEGAL?

>> UP TO 10 WOULD BE ILLEGAL. >> I'M SORRY, MORE THAN 10. >> SO IF YOU RELEASE 10 OR MORE WITH THE STRING ATTACHED THAT'S ILLEGAL. UNDER 10 BALLOONS WITH A STRING ATTACHED IS LEGAL. NICOLE, YOU NEED TO SPEAK ON THE RECORD QUICKLY.

THANK YOU. YOU CAN RELEASE AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF LATEX BALLOONS WITH NO STRING ATTACHED. OKAY. ALTHOUGH OF COURSE EVERYBODY HAS STRINGS ATTACHED AND YOU CAN RELEASE UP TO 10 BALLOONS PER PERSON PER DAY OF WHAT THEY CALL

MYLAR BALLOONS WHICH WERE PLASTIC. >> JUST TRYING TO GET THE FACTS

>> I KNOW. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

I WAS GOING TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE VISUAL PRESENTATION. THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE AS WELL.

WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN MY DISTRICT IN PONTE VEDRA SPECIFICALLY. WE HAVE SEEN THE FIRE HAZARD AND THAT CAN BE AGAIN PEOPLE ARE MAYBE GOING THROUGH AN EMOTIONAL STATE WHERE THEY RECOGNIZE A LOVED ONE. THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE TO CAUSE MORE DAMAGE.

I WANT TO COMMEND STAFF FOR PUTTING THE WORK INTO THIS AND REALLY KIND OF CRAFTING SOMETHING FIRST TO CONSIDER. THANK YOU. CAN I JUMP IN, PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE CLARITY. THE STATUTE SAYS 10 OR MORE. WITH CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS.

FOR TYPES OF BALLOONS. HOT AIR BALLOONS AND DESCRIBES BALLOONS THAT ARE BIODEGRADABLE AS DETERMINED BY FWC. SO, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT. THIS IS THERE DISTINCTION ABOUT THE STRINGS THAT SHE INDICATED. THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE DANGER OF THE BALLOONS AND STRINGS.

AND SOMETHING THAT WILDLIFE CAN CATCH ON OR BE DRAWN TO. AND EXCEPTION ON THE STATE FOR

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THESE PHOTO DEGRADABLE OR BIODEGRADABLE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE ISN'T SUCH THAT HAS BEEN CLASSIFIED THAT WAY. THERE'S NO SIMILAR EXCEPTION IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. BIODEGRADABLE OR PHOTO DEGRADABLE, I WILL ADD, I THINK

[15. Public Hearing * Affordable Housing Advisory Committee Annual Report. Section 420.9706 F.S. requires recipients of State Housing Initiative Partnership (SHIP) funds to establish an Affordable Housing Advisory Committee (AHAC) and submit an annual Report to recommend monetary and nonmonetary incentives as part of an affordable housing incentive plan. The AHAC conducted one public meeting on November 17, 2021 and the second one will be conducted on December 21, 2021 (during the Board of County Commissioners meeting) to consider incentive recommendations and impediments to the construction, acquisition, and preservation of affordable housing in St. Johns County, Florida. ]

THAT'S A BIT DEBATABLE AS WELL. THE TIME IT TAKES FOR THESE BALLOONS TO DEGRADE AS MS. CROSBY INDICATED TAKES A LONG TIME FOR ANIMALS TO FALL PREY TO.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, BRAD. THAT COMPLETES THAT ITEM.

WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO ITEM 15. ITEM 15 IS THE ANNUAL REPORT PRESENTED TO US FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. IS BILL, WHO IS GOING TO KICK THIS OFF? IT'S ME MR. CHAIR. GREETINGS EVERYBODY.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, MADAM COMMISSIONER OR CONGRATULATIONS ON BEHALF OF HHS.

OUR DIRECTOR MR. COVAC AND MYSELF LOOK FORWARD TO WORK WITH YOU.

CONGRATULATIONS. COMMISSIONERS AND CITIZENS, ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF.

I AM ROBERT ORTIZ, HOUSING AND COMMUNITY SERVICES MANAGER. IT IS MY GREAT HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE TODAY AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE ALSO KNOWN AS AHAC.

THE INCREDIBLE AND TIRELESS WORK THAT THE DEDICATED GROUP OF VOLUNTEER CITIZENS DOES FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AHAC'S MAIN PURPOSE IS TO REVIEW POLICIES, ORDINANCES LAND DEVELOPMENT AND ANY PLANS OR DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLANS CURRENT AND FUTURE. THEY HAVE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WORK ARDUOUSLY ALL YEAR LONG TO COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS OF SPECIFIC ACTIONS AND INITIATIVES TO PROMOTE THE CONTINUATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

STATUTE 420.76 REQUIRES, THE ADOPTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING STRATEGIES TO AHAC.

THE REPORT MAY BE COMPLETED IN DECEMBER BEFORE THE LHAP IS UPDATED.

THE LOCAL HOUSING ASSISTANCE PLAN. ON THE SCREEN, IF YOU CAN STAND UP THE MEMBERS HERE. PLEASE ON THE SCREEN ARE THE MEMBERS OF OUR 2021 COMMITTEE.

I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE EACH ONE OF THEM AND ON BEHALF OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND A GRATEFUL COMMUNITY WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR HERCULEAN EFFORTS TO HELP OUR COUNTY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AT THIS POINT, WITH NO FURTHER ADIEU, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE A MAN THAT HAS DEDICATED SEVERAL DECADES OF HIS PROFESSIONAL LIFE OF BEING A TRUE ADVOCATE AND CHAMPION IN OUR COMMUNITY MAKING SURE FAMILIES HAVE A SAFE, AND DESCENT AFFORDABLE ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS. MR. BILL LA SALLE. HE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AND GIVING US THE HONOR TO SERVE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CITIZENS. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M BILL LAZAR. WELCOME TO THE COMMISSION. I HOPE YOU ENJOY THIS.

AND JUST AS LAST ISSUE, MY WIFE AND I VOLUNTEER ON THE TURTLE PATROL.

I SPEND MORE TIME PICKING UP TRASH OFF THE CRESCENT BEACH, PLASTIC AND BALLOONS.

GOD BLESS YOU IF YOU CAN GET PEOPLE TO STOP DOING IT. EVERY TIME I GO OUT, I HAVE A BAG FULL OF TRASH. THIS IS REALLY, THE REPORT THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO YOU HAS A TWOFOLD PROPER. ONE IS IT'S REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE.

I BOX WE HAVE TO CHECK IN ORDER TO GET OUR SHIP FUNDS EVERY YEAR.

FORTUNATELY, THE STATE LEGISLATURE AGREED NOT TO STEAL THE SHIP FUNDS.

WE SHOULD SEE A SIZEABLE INCREASE AND SOMETHING Y'ALL CAN LOOK FORWARD TO PLANNING.

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NOT WONDERING IF IT WILL GET ZERO FUNDED. YOU MY THINK OF IT IN TERMS OF A FIVE YEAR PLAN. COUNTY HAS A VARIETY OF POLICIES TO HELP ENCOURAGE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. PART IS IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.

THE SHIP PROGRAM ITSELF REQUIRES A LOCAL HOUSING ASSISTANCE PLAN WHICH EVERY YEAR STATES WE WILL USE SO MUCH FOR RENTAL AND HOME OWNERSHIP AND REHAB AND DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.

THE SHIP PROGRAM IS THE MOST FLEXIBLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM IN THE COUNTRY.

THAT'S WHAT IS GREAT EVERY LOCAL COMMUNITY GETS TO SAY TO A LARGE DEGREE WE WANT TO SPEND IT HERE.

WE WANT TO HAVE THIS IMPACT. IT CAN BE FOR ONE YEAR OR SEVERAL YEARS.

PART OF THE PLAN ALSO EVOLVES AROUND IT. YOU GET CDGB MONEY NOW AND THE COMP PLAN HAS A HOUSING ELEMENT. ALL OF THAT SAID. JIM DAVIDSON SAID HE HAS CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS TO DEAL WITH GOPHER TORTOISES THAN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THEY WILL SAY WE DON'T KNOW WHO IT'S FOR. WE NEED TO TRY AND ENCOURAGE THIS MORE. WE'RE SEEING 700 BUILDING PERMITS A MONTH.

THAT'S A HUGE GROWTH FOR US AND PROBABLY LESS THAN 2% YOU CAN DEFINE AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THE IDEA OF A RISING TIDE LIFTED ALL BOATS DOES NOT INCLUDE OUR REAL ESTATE IS IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHO HAS THE SLIDE? THERE WE GO.

JUST REAL QUICKLY. AFFORDABLE HOUSING, EVERYBODY SAYS THE GOAL IS 30% OF SOMEONE'S GROSS INCOME IS THE GOAL. DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE MAXIMUM WAY. 35% STILL WORKS. 38 PERCENT STILL WORKS.

THE BIGGEST THING THAT KICKS PEOPLE OUT OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING FORMULA IS THE FACT THEY SPENT MONEY ON A NICE CAR TO TRAVEL FURTHER BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN FORCED TO LIVE FURTHER OUT.

AND THAT CAR NOTE IS WHAT USUALLY IMPACTS THEIR 30% GOAL. AND HOUSING SOLUTIONS REALLY VARY. YOU KNOW WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RENTAL OR HOME OWNERSHIP.

HOW TO CREATE EITHER IS VERY DIFFERENT. HAVING AN IMPACT FEE PROGRAM MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME IMPACT ON FOLKS FOR TRYING TO DEVELOP HOME OWNERSHIP AS FOR RENTAL.

IT CAN HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. IF YOU TRY TO HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE MEETING 50% OR LESS, THAT TAKES A LOT MORE EFFORT THAN SAYING HOW DO I HELP SOMETHING IN THE 80% RANGE? AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ALL A MATH PROGRAM IS BASED ON LOOKING AT WHAT SOMEONE'S GROSS HOUSEHOLD IS. IF I'M MAKING $100,000 BY MYSELF, I'M DOING WELL. IF I HAVE FIVE KIDS, IT'S DIFFERENT.

DO NOT ASSUME PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME GOAL AND PURPOSE YOU THINK OF.

JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THE OUT OF REACH STUDY IS DONE ANNUALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND YOU CAN DRILL DOWN TO EVERY COMMUNITY. WHAT IT SAYS IS FAIR MARKET RENT ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT IS OVER $1,100.

THAT WORKS OUT TO $21.41 AN HOUR. 40 HOURS A WEEK.

52 WEEKS A YEAR. IF YOU ONLY HAVE 35 HOURS A WEEK, DOESN'T COMPUTE.

THE HOME OWNERSHIP, OUR MEDIAN PRICES ARE OVER $350,000. THAT TAKES OVER $110,000 GROSS INCOME. THERE ARE A LOT OF COUPLES THAT WILL NOT HIT THAT MARK.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE BUILDING PERMIT, IS OVER $235,000.

THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE LOT COSTS AND DOESN'T INCLUDE THE FACT THAT BUILDERS WOULD NEVER LIE ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE BUILDING PERMIT BEFORE THEY PAY THE FEE. LESS THAN 2% IS PROBABLY WHO OUR WORK FORCE IS BENEFITTING FROM. THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE. WE PULL THIS FROM THE UNIVERSAL OF FLORIDA SCHAUMBERG. THESE ARE OPTIONS THAT MAKE LESS THAN $21 AN HOUR.

IT TOTALS 65 EMPLOYEES. THAT'S FOLKS, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE.

IN COUNTY, OUT OF COUNTY. WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY OWN OR RENT.

THAT'S THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IMPACTED BY THE IDEA AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO BE SUCCESSFUL OUGHT

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TO BE CLOSE TO THE PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT. THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY00 WE HAVE OUR ROADS SO CLOGGED UP. A LOT OF OUR TEACHING WORK FORCE BOUGHT HOMES IN PALM COAST.

THAT'S WHY IT TAKES ME 30 MINUTES TO GET FROM 206 TO KING STREET UNLESS SCHOOL IS NOT IN SESSION. EVERYBODY COMMUTES IN AND OUT. THEY BOUGHT HOMES IN PALM COAST.

AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA. THESE ARE FOLKS THAT EVEN WITH A ROOMMATE WORKING FULL TIME THOSE OPTIONS WHICH ARE REALLY CRITICAL FOR OUR RETAIL INDUSTRY, ARE REALLY STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW. AND THE RENTAL MARKET IS JUST GOING UP ABSOLUTELY NUTS.

WE ARE BEING PLAGUED BY REAL ESTATE INVESTORS, I RANT ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.

THESE ARE FOLKS THAT LITERALLY ARE GOING TO BE POSITIONS THAT EMPLOYERS WILL HAVE A HARD TIME FILLING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

THIS IS FROM THE SCHAUMBERG CENTER. WE HAVE 67 HOMEOWNERS AND 3700 RENTERS. THESE ARE PEOPLE SPENDING MORE THAN 50% OF THEIR INCOME ON HOUSING. AGAIN IF YOU'RE SPENDING 50% OF YOUR INCOME ON HOUSING AND HAVE $100,000, YOU STILL HAVE MONEY. IF YOUR INCOME IS $20,000 AND YOU'RE SPENDING HALF OF IT.

YOU DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT. INSURANCE AND TO A CERTAIN - DEGREE, THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE ONE STEP AWAY FROM A CRISIS WERE THE FOLKS THAT REALLY GOT HIT HARD DURING A HURRICANE AND DIDN'T BOUNCE BACK. THEY DIDN'T HAVE CASH TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN A HOTEL.

THEY COULDN'T FRONT THE HOTEL AND GET REIMBURSED AND FOLKS ONE STEP AWAY HAVING A PROBLEM MAKING YOUR HOUSING PAYMENT. THE NEXT STEP IS WHERE DO YOU GO? SO NEXT SLIDE. SO OUR REPORT AND THE IDEA BEHIND THIS REPORT IS TO SUGGEST SOME THINGS TO YOU. THERE'S A LONG LIST OF THEM THAT WE SUGGESTED DEPENDING ON AGAIN WHO YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP. WHAT POPULATION, WHETHER RENTAL OR HOME OWNERSHIP.

THESE ARE THREE THINGS WE THINK COULD HELP. ONE IS SOME KIND OF IMPACT FEE.

HOMEOWNERS REFER TO THIS AS GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS. WE'RE COMING CLOSE TO 15 TO $18,000 ON AFFORDABLE HOMES IN JUST THESE TWO FEES THAT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE PURCHASE PRICE. HAS A HUGE IMPACT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED ON BUILDING RENTAL HOUSING JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE PAYING THAT RIGHT UP FRONT WHEN YOU GO TO GET YOUR CO AND THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO FINANCE THAT OVER THE NEXT 10 OR 15 YEARS. WHEREVER THERE'S PLANNING, ANYTHING THAT Y'ALL CAN DO TO, AND I SAY ENCOURAGE, I WISH YOU WOULD INSIST THAT DEVELOPERS START LOOKING AT THIS. THEY ARE ALL GOING TO OPT OUT UNTIL YOU TELL THEM I THINK YOU CAN DO IT. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY DO COME TO YOU, ONE OF OUR NEW STRATEGIES, COMMISSIONER WALDRON SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IT. THE ZONING DISTRICT OVER LAY.

IT AT LEAST GIVES DEVELOPERS TO THINK THIS THROUGH BEFORE YOU COME THROUGH AND HAVE A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND OF ENGINEERING. I LOOK AT ALL THESE FOLKS. THEY'RE NOT NEWBIES THEY KNOW THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS CHOKING AND THEY'RE GOING TO LET YOU KICK THE CAN DOWN THE TABLE.

DENSITY STRATEGIES ARE HELPFUL. LET THEM DO SOMETHING THAT INCREASES DENSITY IN A SMALLER AREA. BETTER FOR FIRE AND SHERIFF AND ANYBODY ELSE TO HAVE PEOPLE IMPACTED LIKE THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU WILL LOOK AT IS ONE OF THE SUCCESSES WE HAD OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IS YOU HAD A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON FORDABLE HOUSING. THAT GENTLEMEN LEFT SOMEWHERE IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS. WE REALLY NEED THAT PERSON THERE.

NOT EVERYBODY INCLUDING YOUR PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT STAFF GETS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO CAN BE THERE AND TALK TO SOMEONE AND SAY, OKAY, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MAYBE THERE'S AN EXPEDITED PROCESS. SOME THINGS COULD BE SIMPLE.

I WISH IT WAS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ATTORNEY. THE SMALL BUILDERS CAN'T DO THAT. WHEN SOMEONE SAYS NO, I DON'T THINK CAN YOU DO IT, THEY DON'T GO, CAN I SEE SOMEONE FURTHER UP THE FOOD CHAIN? NEXT SLIDE.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW MOST OF Y'ALL WERE NOT, I THINK Y'ALL MAY HAVE LIVED HERE BUT NOT ON THE COMMISSION BACK IN 2000-2006. THE COUNTY REALLY LOOKED AT

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BEING MORE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN MAKING AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORK. YOU HAD DRIS AND ESSENTIALLY BEAT SOMEONE UP AND SAY YOU'VE GOT TO THEY WERE DIFFERENT INITIATIVES THAT GOT LOCAL BUILDERS AND THEY WERE FUNDS FROM SHIP OR DEVELOPER FEES TO PAY IMPACT FEES, CONNECTION FEES AND EVEN THE TREE CREDITS. WE SAID JUST LUMP IT ALTOGETHER AND MAKE IT EASIER.

OUT OF THAT, WE HAVE SEVERAL NEW NEIGHBORHOODS PROBABLY OVER 200 HOMES STILL ON THE SMALL SCALE BUT STABILIZED. SOME OF THOSE FOLKS SOLD AND MOVED UP AND A FEW LOST THEIR HOMES IN THE LAST RECESSION. MOST WERE STABILIZED BY YOUR HOUSING PROGRAMS. SO THIS IS WHAT WE THINK SOME OF THE REAL SUCCESSES OVER THE LAST SINCE OUR LAST REPORT IN 2019.

THE ZONING DISTRICT OVERLAY. I THINK WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

ONE HOME OWNERSHIP AND ONE RENTAL BOTH IN THE WORKS. THAT'S HUGE.

JUST, I WISH WE COULD GET A FEW OTHER DEVELOPERS TO STEP UP AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO IT TOO.

YOU HAD HABITAT BUY LAND. THEY HAVE A GREAT PROGRAM AT CANOPY OAKS TO HELP THEM DO ANOTHER 20, 22 UNIT SUBDIVISION WILL BE TREMENDOUS. YOU HAVE HELPED I THINK WITH CDBG FUNDS. I'M NOT SURE THE ALPHA OMEGA. THEY ARE PLANNING 50 UNITS.

I HELP HOUSING PARTNERSHIP BUY 10 LOTS. WE ALREADY SOLD EIGHT OF THEM AND FOUR FAMILIES HAVE MOVED IN BEFORE CHRISTMAS. THOSE ARE ALL PEOPLE PART OF OUR WORK FORCE. THE SAD PART, I HAVE NEVER HAD TO SELL TO PEOPLE OVER 80% OF THEIR MEDIAN. WE HAD PEOPLE COME TO US AND QUALIFY $250,000 AND $300,000 AND SAY BILL WE CAN'T BUY FROM ANYBODY ELSE. NOBODY WILL BUILD FOR US.

NO ONE WILL SELL TO US. THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH FOLKS WHEN THEY GO AND BID UP THE PRICE. THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH BUILDINGERS THAT SAY YOUR LENDER IS GOING TO TAKE TOO LONG TO PAY ME. WE NEED TO SET ASIDE LAND AND INCENTIVIZE IT SO PEOPLE WILL BUILD. A COUPLE WORK FOR NON-PROFITS AND A COUPLE FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES. YOU'VE GOT NEW APARTMENTS COMING UP WITH THE CDGB DISASTER FUND. THAT'S HUGE. THAT'S A COUPLE HUNDRED UNITS.

IT TOOK $30 MILLION TO ATTRACT SOMEBODY TO DO THAT, BUT IF THE MONEY IS THERE, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THE ZONING DISTRICT OVERLAY IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS GOING ON BEHIND CROOK SHANK ELEMENTARY. THAT LITTLE DUPLEX IS SOMETHING THE HOUSING PARTNERSHIP BUILT BECAUSE WE GOT PERMISSION TO SUBDIVIDE A SINGLE FAMILY LOT AND PUT A DUPLEX ON IT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S ROCKET SCIENCE BUT TOOK FOUR MONTHS. THOSE ARE THE THINGS I WISH YOU WOULD DO BUT ONLY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE DON'T WANT FOR AIR B & B AND SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO SELL IT AND FLIP IT. SO THIS IS IF Y'ALL HAVEN'T SEEN IT, I'M SURE HABITAT PROBABLY HAD YOU OUT TO THEIR SITE. THIS IS A HOME IN CANOPY OAKS.

VO LUCIA WOODS IS ANOTHER. THEY HAVE ANOTHER 36 HOMES PLANNED THERE.

IMPACT FEE, RELIEF WILL BE HUGE FOR THEM. THIS IS A COUPLE OF THE HOUSES WE'RE BUILDING ON THE LOTS THAT WE PURCHASED IN THE WEST AUGUSTINE.

NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS I THINK YOU WILL SEE THIS AGAIN FROM YOUR CDGB STAFF.

THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE STATISTICS. WHAT IS CRITICAL ABOUT THESE.

THEY ARE SOME SET ASIDE FOR PEOPLE AT 60% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.

THAT'S A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT. MOST LANDLORDS JUST RENT BASED ON MARKET.

HUD SAYS YOU CAN CHARGE $11,000. A LOT OF OUR WORK FORCE, THE OCCUPATIONS I SHOWED YOU CAN'T HANDLE $1,100 A MONTH BUT NEED TO BE LIVING CLOSE TO THEIR WORK TOGET THERE WHETHER THE HOSPITAL CALLING THEM TO CLEAN UP OR THE RESTAURANTS NEEDING THEM TO COME IN FOR A DOUBLE SHIFT. I BELIEVE SOME OF Y'ALL WERE OUT THERE.

SAN MARCOS. IT'S ALREADY UP AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

THEY HOPE TO HAVE PEOPLE MOVE IN BY SPRING. ROBERTO SAID SPRING.

NEXT SLIDE. ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING OF THE ALPHA OMEGA CAMPUS ON STATE ROAD

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16. THIS IS WHERE SOME OF YOUR MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT.

CDGB DISASTER RECOVERY IS BUSY HELPING A LOT OF FOLKS STILL TRYING TO RECOVER FROM HURRICANE MATTHEW. YOUR SHIP REHAB PROGRAM SPENT $800,000.

CDBG REHAB REPAIRS. Y'ALL HAVE PROVIDED FUNDS TO ACQUIRE RENTAL PROPERTY THAT EITHER WE OR ONE OF THE OTHER NON-PROFITS OWN. MOST TELEVISION IS TRYING TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK. NEXT SLIDE.

I CAN'T SAY THIS ENOUGH. EVERYBODY I TALK TO SAYS WELL I'M WAITING FOR GOVERNMENT TO START. THE BUILDERS SAY I'M WAITING FOR GOVERNMENT.

THE GOVERNMENT SAYS WE WANT BUILDERS TO COME US WITH AN IDEA.

EVERYONE ELSE IS SAYING SOMEONE ELSE IS DOING IT. WE HAVE TO TELL EVERYBODY TO PARTICIPATE. AT A CERTAIN POINT, ST. JOHNS IS A BRIGHT EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING TO FLORIDA AND WE'RE JUST ON STEROIDS. THE SAME THING GOING ON IN SOUTH FLORIDA. WE HAVE RENTAL INVESTORS BUYING STARTER HOME LOTS IN WEST AUGUSTINE BECAUSE THEY CAN BUILD A HOUSE WITH THEIR INVESTMENT MONEY AND CHARGE $1,800 A MONTH AND KNOW THEY WILL PUT SOMEONE IN IT. IT DRIVES UP THE COST OF LOTS FOR EVERYTHING ELSE WE'RE DOING. WE HAVE TO GET THE BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS TO SAY SOMETHING.

I WATCHED THE AGENDA THIS MORNING. THOUSANDS OF HOMES COMING IN.

MOST FOLKS DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT WORSE FORCE HOUSING. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST SAYS IT'S REALLY HARD, WE PROMISED THAT BACK IN THE DRI DAYS WERE IT'S HARD TO DO NOW.

IF WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT, THEY NEED TO STEP UP. IN PALM BEACH COUNTY, THEY HAVE AN ORDINANCE SAYS AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR $100,000. WE HAVE PEOPLE MOVING HERE WITH MORE MONEY THAN COMMON SENSE AND MORE MONEY FROM WALL STREET THAT ARE JUST BUYING WIDGETS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY ARE PLANNING STAY BEFORE THEY MOVE OUT AND THE WIDGETS ARE LEFT.

THE LAND PLANNERS NEED TO HEAR YOU SAY WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE HAVE EMPLOYERS STARTING TO SAY, I CAN'T STAY OPEN. RESTAURANT SAYS I CAN'T RUN LUNCH AND DINNER BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE STAFF. THE HOSPITAL IS TELLING ME THEY MAKE OFFERS TO NURSES AROUND THE COUNTRY AND THEY TURN THEM DOWN WHEN THEY LOOK AT HOUSING PRICING HERE. IT'S GOING TO IMPACT. IT'S ALREADY IMPACTING OUR WORK FORCE. WE NEED YOUR HELP. THIS LITERALLY IS JUST A REPORT.

YOU CHECK THE BOX IT GOES TO YOU. WE MET OUR OBLIGATION IN GETTING SHIP FUNDS. WE NEED YOUR HELP TO SAY WE WANT EVERYBODY ON BOARD.

THE CHAMBER AND BOARD OF REALTORS. THESE GUYS SAY I WILL PAY CASH.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE INSPECTION. WE CAN'T COMPETE WITH THAT.

THEY ARE RUINING THE MARKET FOR OUR LOCAL FOLKS. I HOPE YOU TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT. GET WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND HOUSING STAFF AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO AND LIGHT A FIRE UNDER SOME OF THESE DEVELOPERS. THEY CAN ALL DO SOMETHING.

NONE OF THEM ARE SITTING ON THE POVERTY LINE RIGHT NOW. THEY ARE LOOKING AT PRICES THAT ARE INFLATED FOR LOTS OF DIFFERENT REASONS. AND EVERYBODY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO HELP. AND IF WE DON'T, I THINK YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO SEE CHALLENGES FOR LOCAL EMPLOYERS. THAT'S WHEN THINGS GRIND TO A THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. BILL. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS.

JEREMIAH. >> MR. LAZAR, I APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR TEAM COMING IN.

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO HEAR. I THINK YOU BROUGHT IMPORTANT POINTS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO. YOU HAVE THE BULLY PULPIT.

JUST ASK THE QUESTIONS. AT SOME POINT THEY MAY JUST ANSWER.

>> THANK YOU. LET ME BRIEFLY SAY THAT AS YOUR LIAISON TO THE ADVISORY COMMISSION ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE MEET MONTHLY AND I KNOW I CAN SPEAK CLEARLY FROM EXPERIENCE THESE MEMBERS, WHO SERVE ON THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE REALLY WORK HARD AND COME TO THE MEETINGS EACH MONTH WITH GREAT IDEAS AND ENTHUSIASM. OUR STAFF.

ROBERTO AND JOE WORK VERY HARD TO MOVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AHEAD.

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I APPRECIATE THE REPORT. BILL LAZAR FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW IS SORT OF A CELEBRITY.

HE'S ONE OF THE PEOPLE I KNOW WHO HAS ACTUALLY, HIS LIKENESS APPEARED TO THE SCOREBOARD OF THE TIA STADIUM FOR THE JAGUARS HALF-TIME SHOW. RECOGNIZED HIM FOR ALL OF HIS WORK. I LOOKED UP AND SAW BILL'S FACE ON THE SCOREBOARD.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY COOL. APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? WE WILL NOW OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 15.

PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 15. SEEING NONE.

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT >> THAT CLOSES. IS THERE A MOTION?

[16. Consider election of a BCC member to the Value Adjustment Board and election of the Chair of the Value Adjustment Board. Florida Statute 194.015 and Chapter 12D-9.004 Florida Administrative Code requires that the Board of County Commissioners elect two members from their membership to serve on the Value Adjustment Board (VAB). One of the members elected shall also be elected chair of the VAB. Commissioner Smith had been serving as VAB Chair on the Value Adjustment Board and Commissioner Waldron has been serving as the second member. This item is to elect a successor for Commissioner Smith and elect the new Chair of the Value Adjustment Board. ]

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL MOVE IT. >> OKAY. MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021

-- >> 553. >> TO ACCEPT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE 2021 INCENTIVES REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS ANNUAL REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

APPROVED. THANK YOU BILL. >> ALL RIGHT.

16. THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD APPOINTMENTS.

MELISSA. ARE YOU PRESENTING THIS? >> YES, SIR.

GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. MELISSA LINDQUIST, ASSISTANT.

ITEM 16 AS THE CHAIRMAN STATED IS TO CONSIDER AN ELECTION OF A COUNTY COMMISSIONER TO THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD AND THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR OF THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD FORMALLY ON THIS BOARD FORMER COUNTY COMMISSIONER, JEB SMITH WAS SERVING AND THE CHAIRMAN ON THIS BOARD. SO THAT IS WHY THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU.

I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT TYPICALLY BECAUSE I KNOW YOUR SCHEDULES ARE BUSY, THERE'S ABOUT THREE MEETINGS A YEAR THAT ARE HELD FOR THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD.

THERE MAYBE OTHERS SCHEDULED AS NEEDED BUT TYPICALLY THAT THREE. THE NEXT MEETING WILL PROBABLY BE IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH. IT ACTUALLY WILL BE THE LAST OR FINAL MEETING FOR THE 2021 TAXES. SO JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR YOU.

IF YOU WILL JUST LET ME KNOW IF I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. I WILL SAY THAT NATASHA MCKEE IS HERE. THE OFFICIAL CLERK FOR THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD FOR THE MINUTES AND RECORDS. IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MEETINGS SHE CAN

ANSWER THOSE FOR YOU AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU MELISSA.