Dec 02, 2021 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order]

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>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND WE ARE GOING TO START THE WITH PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

OKAY. MADAME VICE CHAIR, COULD YOU READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT, PLEASE

>> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DISIERK TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER.

ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING AND IT'S A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES.

SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.

IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND THEY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.

ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD.

THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING T THE ITEM. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER OR NOT

[Formal reading of Section 112.3143, Florida Statues Form 8B. Zachary-Watson Miller declared on November 18, 2021, a measure came before the Agency which inured to his special private gain or loss of the applicant (Baptist Health) for MINMOD 2021-13.]

CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MADAME VICE CHAIR.

CHRISTINE, DO YOU WANT TO READ THE SECTION 112.

>> FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THE AUDIENCE, AT THE LAST MEETING ON NOVEMBER 18, THE MRS. MEMBER ZACH MILLER DECLARED A VOTING CONFLICT FOR ITEM 4 ON THAT AGENDA PERTAINING TO A MINOR MODIFICATION TO BAPTIST PRIMARY CARE AT PARKWAY VILLAGE.

THE STATUTE REQUIRES THAT THE NATURE OF THE CONFLICT BE READ AT THE FOLLOWING MEETING. THAT IS WHAT I'M DOING TODAY.

MR. MILLER DECLARED THAT A MEASURE BECAME BEFORE THE BOARD AT THAT MEETING WHICH MAY INURE TO THE SPECIAL GAIN OR LOSS OF THE APPLICANT BAPTIST HEALTH FOR MINOR MOD 2021-13, SPECIFICALLY MR. MILLER IS ENGAGED IN AN ONGOING BUT INTERMITTENT REPRESENTATION OF THE APPLICANT AND HAS ALSO REPRESENTED THE APPLICANT IN THE PAST ON THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, ALTHOUGH NOT THIS SPECIFIC ITEM THAT WAS BEFORE THE PZ AT THE LAST MEETING. HE HAS NOT WORKED ON OR CONSULTANT WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE PARTICULAR ITEM.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

OKAY. WE'RE MOVING NOW INTO A TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS A TIME FOR TO YOU COMMENT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA OR NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF YOU'RE COMMENTING ON AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO WAIT UNTIL THAT PARTICULAR ITEM COMES UP SO THAT WE REMEMBER YOUR TESTIMONY BECAUSE AT MY AGE, I'M LIABLE TO FORGET IT BY THEN.

SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME?

[1. SUPMAJ 2021-02 Callwood Animals. Request for Special Use Permit to allow "Other Animals", specifically goats, pursuant to Section 2.03.06 of the Land Development Code within Residential, Manufactured/Mobile Home (RMH) zoning, specifically located at 3125 Audra Road.]

AND SO I'LL CALL THE APPLICANT UP FOR ITEM NUMBER 1, AND I WILL ASK THE AGENCY MEMBERS IF THERE'S ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION. ANYONE? OKAY. MS. CALLWOOD.

YOU HAD SPART. YOU HAD EX PARTE.

WHAT WAS IT? YOU VISITED THE SITE.

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>> SPEAKER: . MA'AM, THE MICROPHONE IS NOT ON.

MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO IT AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR

THE RECORD. >> SPEAKER: HI, GOOD AFTERNOON AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS INEL CALLWOOD.

MY DRESS ASK 3521 ANDRE ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE.

I HAVE SOME GOATS AND CHICKENS. I'M A FARM GIRL.

I WAS RAISE AID FARM GIRL. BEFORE I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THEY STATED IT WAS FARMEDND, IT WAS FARMLAND.

THAT WAS THE REASON I BOUGHT IT. BUT AFTER I BOUGHT IT AND I HAD MY CHICKEN AND GOATS THERE PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING, AND I WONDERED WHY IS SHE COMPLAINING, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TOY I'M USING IT FOR WHAT I BOUGHT IT FOR GEN, YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW GOATS AND CHINLS. WHEN I CAME HERE TO ZONING, THEY TOLD IT'S NOT ZONED FOR THAT. SO I SAID I'M GOING TO DO THIS TO GET IT APPROVED. SO I'M HERE TODAY TO SEE WHAT'S

GOING TO HAPPEN. >> MR. MATOVINA: IS THAT YOUR

PRESENTATION, MA'AM? >> SPEAKER: YES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY, THANK YOU.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? THIS SEEMS WEIRD. SO IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY.

YES. >> I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION REGARDING THE DISTANCE FROM THE PEN TO THE NEIGHBORS.

EACH STRUCTURE ON EITHER SIDE. STAFF HAD ASKED YOU TO SHOW US A MAP OF THAT. THE PEN -- ON THE AERIAL HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE DISTANCE TO THE ADJACENT HOMES --

>> CAN YOU ALL SPEAK UP? >> SORRY.

YES. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THE PEN WAS INDEED 100 FEET FROM EACH OF THE --

>> SPEAKER: IT IS. IT IS.

IT IS. >> OKAY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: TERESA, IS THAT 100 FEET TOTE PROPERTY LINE

OR TO THE NEAREST STRUCTURE? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

YES. IT IS MEASURED TO THE NEAREST

RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. >> THANK YOU.

>> FROM THE AERIAL VIEW AND USINGI MAP AS A MEASURING TOOL, IT DOES APPEAR THAT IT MEETS, HOWEVER, IT WAS NEVER PROVIDED

ON THE SITE PLAN. >> MR. MATOVINA: VERY GOOD.

OKAY. SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY.

MR. PIERRE. >> MR. PIERRE: .

YOUR MIC'S NOT ON, MR. PIER. >> MR. PIERRE: ARE THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS NEARBY THAT HAVE THESE ANIMALS, FARM ANIMALS? OR IS THIS GOING TO BE THE FIRST?

>> SPEAKER: IN THE BACK, NOT CLOSE BY, BUT IN THE BACK.

THEY DO HAVE FARM ANIMALS BACK THERE.

AND COMING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY HAVE A LOT OF HORSES THERE WHERE PEOPLE WOULD PAY AND RIDE HORSES AS WELL, SO I THOUGHT IT

WAS REALLY A FARMLAND. >> MR. PIERRE: SO THE ANIMALS ARE GOING TO BE KEPT IN THE FRONT OR THE BACK?

>> SPEAKER: IT'S IN THE BACK. >> MR. PIERRE: IT IS SITTING

BACK. >> SPEAKER: IT'S IN THE BACK, ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK, AND IT'S FENCED IN.

THEY'RE SECURE AND IT'S CLEAN. >> MR. PIERRE: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: YOU'RE WELCOME. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF AGENCY MEMBERS? IF NOT, WE'RE BAG INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

OR DO WE HAVE IN YOU SPEAKER CARDS? NO SPEAKER CARDS. BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. . [INAUDIBLE]

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND? >> MS. PERKINS: I MOTION --

[2. SUPMAJ 2021-14 Village Garden FTP 2COP. Request for a Special Use Permit to allow for the on-site sale and consumption of beer and wine, under the regulation of the State of Florida Type 2COP license, in conjunction with an existing mobile food dispensing units within the conditional Commercial Intensive (CI) zoning (Ord. 2016-27), consistent with Section 2.03.02 of the Land Development Code, specifically located at 1480 Old A1A South.]

>> MR. MATOVINA: IT'S A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

CONGRATULATIONS, MA'AM. OKAY.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2, BRENDAN SCHNECK, AND IS THERE

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>> MR. PIERRE: YES, I ALSO DROVE BY THE APPLICATION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MR. PIERRE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I VISITED THE SITE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE? HEARING NONE, MR. SCHNECK.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. >> MR. MATOVINA: GOOD

AFTERNOON. >> WE HAVE A POWERPOINT WE PULLED UP, BEFORE BEFORE WE BEGIN -- MANCHT WOULD YOU GET RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.

THERE YOU GO. >> SPEAKER: I POSITIVE DO HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT SHOULD BE LOADING SHORTLY.

HOWEVER, BEFORE WE BEGIN I HAD ALREADY REQUESTED IT AHEAD OF TIME, BUT I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT EACH PUBLIC SPEAKER ON THE TYPO OF TOPIC R BUSINESS BE SWORN UNDER POAPTH IN PAST MEETINGS THOSE OPPOSED HAVE MANIPULATED PHOTOS INCLUDING GRAND OPENING PHOTOS AS CURRENT PARKING PHOTO AND USING MY BEST FRIEND'S BABY SHOWER TO DEPICT A RAGING PARTY SCENE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE NARRATIVE BE PRESENTED CORRECTLY AND TRUTHFULLY IN CONTEXT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? RAISE YOUR HAND, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT. ABOUT TEN OF YOU? OKAY. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, WE'LL DO THAT AT THE TIME FOR THEM TO COME UP.

OKAY? >> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY.

MY HUSBAND IS HERE AS MY LIVE SHOWMAN.

MY HUSBAND BRENDAN SCHNECK AND I ARE BOTH FLAGLER ALUMNI.

EVE PROUDLY EPISODE VILLAGE GARDEN FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS NOW COMING UP IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

AND WE HAVE EPISODE THE BOWLS AT THE HAWAIIAN FOOD TRUCKS FOR ALMOST A DECADE. WE CLEARLY DESIGNED -- IF YOU WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE -- FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT VISITED OUR SPACE, WE VERY INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED IT TO BE A VERY WELCOMING FAMILY AND PET-FRIENDLY COMMUNITY SPACE.

IF YOU HAVE VISITED OUR PROPERTY, IT'S VERY EVIDENT DOING A WALK-THROUGH. THE CENTER WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED AS ALMOST A SAND BOX AND A PLAYGROUND FOR CHILDREN.

THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT SEATING AREAS.

IT'S REALLY A VERY PROUD VISION THAT I AM VERY EXCITED TO SEE COMING TO LIFE. IF YOU WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. GO BACK.

YEP. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT A BAR SCENE. IT IS CERTAINLY NOT A CROWDED RESTAURANT. IT IS A PARK AND BEAUTIFUL GARDEN THAT WE PUT A LOT OF WORK AND EFFORT INTO.

IF YOU WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

THIS WAS OUR VISION, TO HAVE A FAMILY, PET-FRIENDLY SPACE WHERE EVERYONE COULD GATHER, HAVE A FRESH MEAL, HOPEFULLY AN ADULT BEVERAGE. IT'S A VERY CASUAL BEACH SPACE THAT I JUST REALLY COULDN'T BE PROUDER OUR REPUTATION THESE PAST THREE YEARS. IF YOU WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S A VIEW OF OUR COFFEE SHOP, OUR BARBECUE SHOP. AS YOU CAN SEE, MANY OF OUR PATRONS VERY MUCH ENJOY OUR SPACE AND OUR OFFERINGS.

WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OVERWHELMING REQUEST TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ADULT BEVERAGES BY OUR PATRONS.

THIS PHOTO RIGHT HERE IS THE GOOD CAFE.

THAT IS OUR COFFEE SHOP WINDOW. THAT IS WHERE WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO SERVE SIMPLY BEER AND WINE. OUR HOURS OF OPERATION CURRENTLY ARE 9:00 A.M. TO 8:00 P.M. AND WE ARE ACTUALLY MOVING TO JUST BE OPEN ON LUNCHES MOST LIKELY DURING THE SLOW WINTER MONTHS.

ABOUT IF YOU WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS ANOTHER PHOTO OF WHERE THE BEER AND WINE WILL BE SOLD OUT OF. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS A COFFEE WINDOW. IT IS NOT A FULL-FLEDGED BAR.

THE PHOTO TO THE RIGHT IS FROM THE INSIDE OF THE COFFEE SHOP.

NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE LICENSE.

BOTH ESTABLISHMENTS BEFORE US, BOTH HAD BEER AND WINE LICENSES.

AND WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR THE SAME CONSIDERATION.

OUR ESTABLISHMENT CERTAINLY HAS MORE OF A FAMILY-FRIENDLY VIBE THAN THESE PAST TWO ESTABLISHMENTS, AND ALSO OUR HOURS CERTAINLY ARE MORE CONDUCIVE.

IF YOU WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

HERE'S THE PHOTO OF OUR SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT FOR ANY OVERFLOW PARKING. TO THE RIGHT AND TO THE LEFT

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IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ARE ABOUT, I HAVE INDIVIDUALLY EMAILED EBOARD MEMBER WITH THE VARIETY OF EVENTS WE HAVE HAD, MOST OF THEM INCLUDE FALL FESTIVALS FOR HALLOWEEN, CHRISTMAS PARTIES FOR THE DEAF COMMUNITY, EASTER EGG HUNTS, CHILD CANCER FUNDRAISERS, MAINLY HOLIDAY, FAMILY AND CHILDREN BEING TO THE EVENT. IF YOU WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO NOW I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS -- THIS IS A SHOT OF OUR ROAD, AND THAT IS THE COVERED PATIO.

THAT IS WHERE THE PHOTOS THAT WERE ASKED TO BE INCLUDED.

YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS SHOWS HOW LONG OUR GUESTS STAY. IT IS A MAXIMUM OF 30 MOINTS AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT WE ARE VERY SLOW DURING THE EVENING HOURS. 30 MINUTES.

LUNCH IS USUALLY OUR BUSY SEASON.

IN THE SPIRIT OF AUTHENTICITY, THESE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN YESTERDAY AND TIME STAMPED OF OUR PARKING SITUATION.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING.

WE MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SEATING REQUIREMENTS, AND WE ALSO MEET ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR BEER AND WINE. THIS IS ANOTHER SHOT OF THE ROAD. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO PAUSE FOR JUST A MOMENT.

I INTEKSLY INTENTIONALLY DID NOT ASK FOR ANY MORE ADDITIONAL LETTERS OR ANY MORE OF MY PATRONS, FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO TAKE TIME OFF OF WORK OR GET A BABYSITTER TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER. THERE ARE DOZENS AND DOZENS OF SIGNATURES, COMMENTS, LETTERS, PAST SPEAKERS OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS THAT SUPPORT US HAVING BEER AND WINE.

IT'S A MALL HANDFUL WITHIN ALMOST CLOSE TO 1 THOIN ENDS RESIDENTS OF MENENDEZ PARK AND THEY CERTAINLY DO NOT REFLECT THE ENTIRE AREA BY ANY MEANS. WE MET WITH SHERIFF HARD WICK AND DIRECTOR SCOTT BEAVER OVER ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.

WE SPENT OVER AN HOUR AND A HALF GOING OVER EVERY POSSIBLE STUDY, EVERY POSSIBLE TRAFFIC REPORT AE CLAIMED THERE IS A SAFETY OR TRAFFIC ISSUE. SHERIFF HARD WICK HAS CLEARLY CONFIRMED THAT THERE IS NEITHER AND THAT US HAVING A BEER AND WINE LICENSE WOULD NEVER CREATE THE ONE.

WE ALSO HAVE-TO-DATE TRAFFIC REPORTS, THE CALL STHEETS, AND

WE CAN GO OVER THOSE NOW. >> MR. MATOVINA: MA'AM, WOULD YOU TURN THAT MICROPHONE ON, PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER: SO WE REQUESTED EVERYTHING FROM CALL SHEETS, WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALL.

THIS IS OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MAJORITY THEM ARE PEOPLE WHO ACCIDENTAL DIALED 911. THERE ARE TWO CAR CRASHES REPORTED IN THREE YEARS. A LOT OF THEM ARE MISCELLANEOUS CALLS. IN BOTH THEIR OPINIONS, THIS IS INCREDIBLY MINIMAL. AND THERE THERE HAS BEEN NO S INCIDENT AT OUR PROPERTY. I'D LIKE TO SHOW THE NEXT REPORT THAT SHERIFF HARDWICK -- I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THIS.

I ALSO SPOKE WITH LIEUTENANT KRIS WENZEL THIS MORNING AND HE WAS FRANKLY VERY SHOCKED THAT I WAS HAVING TO GO TO THESE MEASURES, THAT IT WAS CERTAINLY A FIRST, SO THIS IS ALSO FROM THEIR PLACED RADAR BOX SO THAT THEY CAN SURVEY SPEED, HOW MANY CARS ARE COMING AND GOING. BOTH DETERMINED THAT THIS IS NOT AN AREA WHERE THERE ARE ANY TRAFFIC OR SAFETY DANGERS, NOR WOULD A BEER AND WINE LICENSE CREATE THEM.

AS YOU CAN WE, I HAVE REQUESTED EVERY POSSIBLE STUDY THAT THEY HAD. THERE IS NO STUDY THAT SUGGESTS THAT A BEER AND WINE LICENSE WOULD INCREASE TRAFFIC, INCREASE LENGTH OF STAY. THE ONLY THING THAT LUCKILY FOR US, IT WOULD INCREASE SPENDING, AND AFTER COVID WE COULD CERTAINLY USE THE HELP. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE MEET ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS, ALL PARKING REQUIREMENTS, ALL

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ANOTHER POINT THAT SHERIFF HARDWICK MADE, THOSE PRIOR ESTABLISHMENTS SERVED CONTROL AT THE SAME -- OUR SAME PROPERTY.

THEY WERE GRANTED AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.

AS YOUR OTHER BUSINESS NEIGHBORS ANASTASIA DINER AND LA PETITE PLEASURES WHICH ARE NEXT TO US. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL CORNER, AND LIKE MOST OF ST. AUGUSTINE, IT BACKS INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM US, GYPSY CAB, ODD BIRDS, FLACK BLACK FLY, MOJO'S TACOS, CANDLELIGHT, ET CETERA.

IT'S A CONSISTENT DESIGN THEME AND TRADITION THROUGHOUT THE A1A CORRIDOR. ALL OF THOSE OF ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE ON A MUCH LARGER SCALE THAN HOURS BACK INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS, MOST OF WHICH ALSO SERVE LIQUOR, WHICH WE ARE NOT CAN G FOR. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE NOT IN THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS, RESTAURANTS -- YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THESE ARE JUST CONSTANT COMMENTS FROM THE OVER 600 PEOPLE -- YOU CAN GO BACK -- OVER 600 SIGNATURES FOR THIS PETITION FOR US TO HAVE THIS BEER AND WINE LICENSE. JUST TO FURTHER EXPRESS THE IMPORTANCE AND THE HIGH STAKES FOR THIS LICENSE FOR US, A SUCCESSFUL RESTAURANT MODEL DEPENDS ON ALMOST ONE HAD THIRD OF ITS REVENUE TO COME FROM ADULT BEVERAGES.

TO HAVE TRIED IS ON SURVIVE WITHOUT THIS FOR THREE YEARS, TWO OF WHICH WERE COVID, HAS BEEN AN UNBELIEVABLE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP. WE HAVE HAD A BEER AND WINE LICENSE AT OUR BRORT. BRICK AND MORE ART. WE ALSO HAVE ONE IN GAINESVILLE THIS IS NOT NEW TO US. WE HAVE HAD ONE BEFORE AND HAVE SUCCESSFULLY BEEN RESPONSIBLE WIPT.

ANOTHER FACT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE SHERIFF AND DEPUTY IS DESTANCES PASSED A LAW THAT GO TO BEVERAGES ARE NOW LEGAL.

WE HAVE BEEN HIT INCREDIBLY HARD AFTER COVID.

AND TO NOT BE ABLE TO FAIRLY COMPETE WITH OTHER RESTAURANTS THAT CAN OFFER THIS VERY BASIC SERVICE HAS BEEN DETRIMENTAL.

SMALL BUSINESSES, STANTIAL ESPECIALLY RESTAURANTS, NEED YOUR SUPPORT NOW MORE THAN WE HAVE ESTABLISHED HOWFERS FOR TEN YEARS, .

COUNTING OUR OTHER BUSINESS. WE HAVE A VERIFIABLE AND GOOD REPUTATION. WE DESERVE A FAIR CHANCE TO AT LEAST BE GIVEN US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY AS WE DO MEET ALL REQUIREMENTS AND THERE IS NO SAFETY OR TRAFFIC ISSUE.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. YOU SHOWED US A SLIDE THAT SUGGESTED THAT THE AVERAGE TIME PEOPLE WERE THERE WAS 30

MINUTES. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR MARCHLTS

HOW DID YOU DERIVE THAT? >> SPEAKER: IT IS ON GOOGLE REPORTS. IT'S ONE OF THE FEATURES THEY USE UNDER HIGHLIGHTS. THEY TRACK YOUR PHONE OF WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED. AND THEN THAT'S WHAT -- WHEN YOU LEUNING A DIFFERENT RESTAURANT, IT ALSO TRACKS THEIR BUSIEST HOURS, AND AS YOU CAN SEE OUR BUSIEST HOURS ARE DURING LUNCH AND WE HAVE VERY LITTLE DINNER BUSINESS, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY

CHALLENGING. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PETER.

>> MS. PERKINS: PERC' WHAT THE TOTAL CAPACITY

RESTAURANT. >> SPEAKER: 45 SEATSZ.

>> AND THE PARKING SPACES. >> SPEAKER: 15 AND A HANDICAP.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THE ANSWER TO THAT WAS 45 SEATS AND 15 SPACES? SPHNCHT IT WAS THREE SEATS FOR EVERY ONE PARKING SPOT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: SO DO YOU HAVE CERTAIN EVENTS THAT ATTRACT MORE

PEOPLE AT ANY ONE TIME? >> SPEAKER: WE HAVE -- ONE OF OUR THINGS THAT I HAVE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF FUN WITH IS BEING ABLE TO -- WE JUST HOSTED A CHILDREN'S FALL FESTIVAL.

WE DO AN ANNUAL EASTER EGG HUNDRED.

WE DO FAMILY MOVIE NIGHTS. I MEAN, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF EVENTS WHERE WE DO TRY TO HAVE MORE CUSTOMERS COME FOR A

SPECIFIC EVENT. >> MS. PERKINS: AND SO DURING THOSE EVENTS, THEN, YOUR PARKING IS PROBABLY INSUFFICIENT AT THAT

POINT? >> SPEAKER: I DO HAVE A PHOTO THAT I FORGOT TO INCLUDE IN THERE, BUT IF WE ARE HAVING A VERY LARGE EVENT AND I AM AWARE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LARGE TURNOUT, I HAVE HAD OUR STAFF IN PARKING VESTS DIRECTING TRACK OF SPNCHT ALSO, MOST OF OUR CUSTOMERS COME FOR 15.

MOST OF IT IS GO TO FOOD FOR COMING FOR THE FALL FESTIVAL,

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YOUR SITTING COUN FOR HOURS. >> SPEAKER: ALSO, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON YOU ARE-TO-OUR PROPERTY, THE AMOUNT OF FOOT TRAFFIC, PEOPLE ON BIKES IN PARTICULAR WITH THEIR FAMILIES OR EVEN JUST WALKING, OUR RESTAURANT VERY MUCH LENDS ITSELF TO A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR PATRONS BEING FOOT

TRAFFIC. >> MS. PERKINS: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF APPLICANT?

MR. PIERRE. >> SPEAKER: I MEANT TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR PARDON QUESTION. WE DO HAVE A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH SPACE SHOULD I EVER NEED OVERFLOW PARKING, AND THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE SLIDE SHOW.

>> MS. PERKINS: RIGHT AND HAVE YOU EVER UTILIZED THAT?

>> SPEAKER: I HAVEN'T NEEDED TO.

>> MS. PERKINS: DO PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S THERE OR DO THEY JUST

PARK ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET? >> SPEAKER: IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I USUALLY HAVE ONE OF OUR STAFF IS A PARKING --

>> MS. PERKINS: IN AN EVENT. SPNCHT YES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. >> I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS BUT THIS MATTER CAME BEFORE THE BOARD AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION BOARD THREE YEARS AGO. WERE YOU THE OWNERS AT THAT

TIME? >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

>> . >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? >> SPEAKER: ONE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS THAT IN THE BEGINNING THOSE OPPOSED ASKED US TO PUT IN NO PARKING SIGNS ON THEIR SIDE OF THE STREET, AND WE AGREED TO THAT ARRANGEMENT AT THEIR REQUEST.

THEY ARE ALLOWED TO PARK ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET, WHICH WAS THE AGREEMENT WHEN WE MET WITH HENRY DEAN.

AND THEN IF YOU GO FURTHER DOWN, THERE IS A SMALL AREA THAT IS ALLOWED FOR PARKING THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE USE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: ONE LAST QUESTION. YOU ALSO CAME IN HERE IN 2019 AND IT WAS DENIED, SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO AND NOW? I KNOW THAT YOU CAME BEFORE US AND TODAY AND PRESENTED EVIDENCE THAT THERE WASN'T A TRAFFIC OR A SAFETY ISSUE. ARE ANY ANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ALLEVIATED THAT YOU HAVEN'T TOLD US? AND HOW IS THIS APPLICATION ANY DIFFERENT THAN LAST YEAR?

>> SPEAKER: THE FIRST TIME THAT IT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING & ZONING. A HANDFUL OF NEIGHBORS APPEALED.

AND IT WAS DENIED BECAUSE WE WERE NOT OPEN YET.

SO IT WAS MORE OF THE FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN, IF THAT MAKES

SENSE. >> SPEAKER: AND THEN STEKD TIME WE TOOK THE TO THE PLANNING & ZONING IT WAS A 3-3

TIE SO IT WAS AN AUTOMATIC. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? SO WE NEED EACH OF THE SPEAKERS AT THIS POINT TO LINE UP UP HERE AND STATE THEIR NAME.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, SIR.

I'D ASK THEM ALL TO COME FORWARD AND ONE BY ONE WE'LL HAVE THEM STATE THEIR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND THEN I WILL SWEAR THEM IN AT

ONCE. >> MR. MATOVINA: SHOULD THEY REMAIN STANDING UP HERE? SO EACH OF YOU WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, I NEED TO YOU COME UP HERE AND LINE UP AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOARTD RECORD IN THE MICROPHONE AND REMAIN AT THE FRONT STANDING SO YOU CAN BE SWORN IN, PLEASE.

>> DAVID PAN KIN, 13 VIVE RIVIERA STREET AND HERE IN

ST. AUGUSTINE. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, SIR. THERE YOU GO.

NO, SIR. YOU'LL BE CALLED BACK UP AGAIN BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SWORN IN HERE IN A SECOND SO STAY UP HERE

FOR A MINUTE. >> PAUL DOINGZ END YA 24 OLD BEACH ROAD ST. AUGUSTINE 3 TWRNT 80.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MR. DIXON.

>> BARBARA OLSON 1824 OLD BEACH ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE 328 TWO

MANCHT THANK YOU, MS. OLSON. >>

>> SPEAKER: HI. MY NAME IS FRANCES BACON AT 1340

CORONA STREET, ST. AUGUSTINE. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU,

MA'AM. >> SPEAKER: I DO HAVE A QUESTION. WE'RE ALL SWEARING IN AND THAT'S FINE. WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE APPLICANT?

>> MR. MATOVINA: YOU DIDN'T ASK TO HAVE THEM SWORN IN.

YOU DIDN'T DO IT AS A MATTER OF COURSE, MA'AM.

>> SPEAKER: SO JUST US. MAUREEN LONG, 1821 CAST FEEL

STREET. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU

>> AND SALLY MY RICK 1736ES -- STREET.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MS. MINER.

>> SPEAKER: ANNE, 212 SOUTH BELLAGIO DRIVE ALSO IN ST. AUGUSTINE 32092. MARCHLTS THANK YOU, MA'AM.

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>> SPEAKER: PEG STEVENS AT 1303 RIVIERA STREET.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MS. STEVENS.

NOW YOU HAVE TO FLOOR, CHRISTINE.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU ALL. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME. I, STATE YOUR NAME, SWEAR AND AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY BEFORE THE PLANNING & ZONING AGENCY. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. OKAY.

SO WE ARE READY FOR SPEAKER CARDS AT THIS POINT.

ONE OF YOU WILL GET TO KEEP STANDING.

>> DAVID PANKIN. NAME AND ADDRESSES FOR THE

RECORD, PLEASE. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS DAVID PANKIN. AND AGAIN I RESIDE AT 1375 RIVIERA STREET AT MENENDEZ PARK, WHICH IS AFTER THE PART OF ST. AUGUSTINE. I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE MENENDEZ PARK ASSOCIATION AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION TO THE GRANTING OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO VILLAGE GARDEN FOOD TRUCK PARK.

AS YOU HEARD OF, THIS IS THE FOURTH HEARING BY ST. JOHNS REGARDING THIS MATTER. THE FIRST HEARING ON JANUARY 18, 2018 BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY RESULTED IN AN APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AN APPEAL TO THIS DECISION WAS THEN FILED BY SOME NEIGHBORS IN MENENDEZ PARK, AND ON APRIL 17, 2018, IT WAS HEARD BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE COMMISSIONERS DENIED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CITING THE FOLLOWING REASONS: ONE, THE REQUEST IS NOT? COMPLIANCE WITH PART 12 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DEFINING SPECIAL USE.

TWO, THE REQUEST IS CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND IS IN CONFLICT WITH SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.

AND THREE, THE REQUEST DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED BY SECTION TABLE 2.03.01 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOTHING RELATED TO THE REASONS FOR THIS DENIAL HAS CHANGED. THE THIRD HEARING WAS ON DECEMBER 5TH, 2019 WHICH VILLAGE GARDEN SUBMITTED A NEW APPLICATION FOR SPECIAL USE MER IT.

TO THE PLAN & ZONING AGENCY, AND YOU HEARD THIS RESULTED IN A DENIAL. ONE IMPORTANT FACTOR IN THIS DECISION WAS THAT THEN SHERIFF DAVID SHORE, AS YOU'RE AWARE, SUBMITTED A LETTER TO THE PZA ON DECEMBER 4TH, 2019, AND I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT. "IT IS MY OPINION THAT OUR BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WERE CORRECT IN APRIL OF 2018 WHEN THIS ISSUE CAME BEFORE THEM AND THEY DENIED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOL SALES." HE WENT ON TO SAY, "WHILE THE SUCCESS OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES SHOULD BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF MOST OF OUR DECISION MAKING, IT SHOULD NEVER COME AT THE EXPENSE OF THE SAFETY OUR RESIDENTS." IT WOULD SEEM THAT IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY FURTHER WRITTEN OR FORMAL COMMENT FROM THE SHERIF'S OFFICE ABOUT THIS, THAT FORMER SHERIFF SHORE'S POSITION REGARDING THIS ISSUE REMAINS CURRENT AND RELEVANT.

THE SCHNECKS THEN APPEALED THIS TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BUT DROPPED THEIR APPEAL AT THE TIME THIS ISSUE WAS TO BE HEARD ON MARCH 3, 2020. FOR THIS FOURTH HEARING WE CONTINUED TO STRONGLY OPPOSE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE OF NEGATIVE IMPACT TO PUBLIC SAFETY ALONG OLD BEACH ROAD, ESPECIALLY AT THE VERY BUSY AND DRAWRNLINGS DANGEROUS INTERSECTION OF OLD BEACH RADIOED AND YAH SOUTH. THIS INTERSECTION IS USED EVERY DAY BY MANY OF THE 250 PLUS HOUSEHOLD OF SAN JOSE FORESTS AND MENENDEZ PARK NEIGHBORHOODS. WE'RE ALSO VERY CONCERNED THAT BEER AND WINE SELLING AT THIS LOCATION AND THE RAMPING UP OF SPECIAL EVENTS EVENTS WOULD SPEAR INTERFERE WITH THE THE I MEAN ENJOYMENT OF OUR PEACEFUL AND HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE REQUIREMENT IN PART 12 ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DO NOT SUPPORT SERVING BEER AND WOULDN'T IT A VILLAGE GHEARND. GRANTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD NOT PROMOTE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, COMFORT OR THE GENERAL WELFARE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I THINK MR. MILLER MAY HAVE A

QUESTION FOR YOU. >> MR. MILLER: HI.

HOW ARE YOU THIS AFTERNOON? >> SPEAKER: FINE, THANK YOU.

>> MR. MILLER: THE APPLICANT STATED THAT TWO PRIOR OWNERS HAD

A COP LICENSE AT THIS LOCATION. >> SPEAKER: I'M NOT FAMILIAR.

THERE WERE VERY DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, FOR ONE THING.

THEY WERE WALK-IN RESTAURANTS. AND I COULD NOT SAY

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>> SPEAKER: I THINK THAT THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF CONTROL, ACCESS, THE NUMBER OF DRINKS THAT ARE BEING SERVED, EFFECT FACT THAT YOU'RE IN A CONTAINED AREA VERSUS IN AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK IN AND OUT OF IT. WE'RE JUST NOT SURE HOW AND IT HAS NOT BEEN EXPLAINED EVER HOW THEY WOULD CONTROL THE USE OF

CONTROLLIC BEVERAGES THERE. >> MR. MILLER: YOU'LL ALL GET

A CHANCE AT REBUTTAL. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU,

SIR. >> MS. PERKINS: PAUL DIXON,

PLEASE. >> AND THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YOU'LL HAVE TO LEAVE THOSE MATERIALS WITH SHERI, PLEASE, SIR. OVER HERE.

>> MS. PERKINS: NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER: I'M PAUL DIXON I'M A 1824 OLD BEACH ROAD IN ST. AUGUSTINE, 320 YEEGHT. MY WIFE AND I ARE ALSO THE ADJACENT BUSINESS OWNERS A 1829 OLD BEACH ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE.

WE MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY AS A LOW IMPACT RENTAL PROPERTY AND WE RENT TO COLLEGE STUDENTS AND TO A SMALL BEAUTY SALON, WHICH CATERS TO BRIDES. THE VILLAGE GARDEN IS NOT LIKE THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES. IT IS FUNCTIONALLY SEPARATED FOR THOSE BUSINESSES BY OLD A1A SOUTH.

ALL THOSE BUSINESSES USE A1A. OLD A1A SHOWTH, BEACH A1A AND STATE ROAD 312 FOR VEHICLE ACCESS.

IN ADDITION IS THE VILLAGE GARDEN ALSO USES OLD BEACH ROAD FOR VEHICLE ACCESS. IN FACT, THE VILLAGE GARDEN IS THE ONLY COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE BUSINESS USING OLD BEACH ROAD.

I'VE GOT SOMETHING FROM THE VILLAGE GARDEN APPLICATION.

IT'S THEIR AREA OF CONSUMPTION. THERE'S NO BARRIERS TO THE ACCESS FOR IN AND OUT, AND IT MAKES CROWD CONTROL VERY DIFFICULT. IN FACT, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A RECENT PICTURE, YOU CAN WALK RIGHT OUT ONTO OLD BEACH ROAD.

OLD BEACH ROAD IS RIGHT ALONG HERE.

NO CONTAINMENT WHATSOEVER. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I HAVE MANY PICTURES, THEY'RE DATED, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS ON A BUSY DAY AT THE VILLAGE GARDEN. THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE. THIS IS WHAT TRAFFIC HAS TO CONTEND WITH. ON THOSE DAYS THEY'VE NEVER USED SAFE FOR THEIR OVERFLOW PARKING. AND ON THOSE DAYS I HAVE YET TO SEE ANYONE FROM THEIR ORGANIZATION COME OUT AND DIRECT TRAFFIC. FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO REFERENCE PAGE 16 OF THE VILLAGE GARDEN APPLICATION.

THERE ARE SEVEN POINTS HERE SUGGESTED TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. POINT 2 IS PARTICULARLY SALIENT STATEMENT. THE SPECIAL USE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CONTIGUOUS AND SURROUNDING AREA AND WILL IMPOSE AN EXCESS BURDEN OR HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACT ON SURROUND ORGANIZING ADJACENT USES OR ON COMMUNITY FACILITIES OR SERVICES. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, SIR.

IF YOU'D GIVE THOSE MATERIALS TO SHERI, PLEASE.

>> MS. PERKINS: YOU CAN JUST HAND THEM.

BARBARA OLSON. SPNCHT GOOD AFTERNOON.

BAUSH OLSON 1824 OLD BEACH ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE 32080.

SO I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF A RISK HERE, BUT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU A PICTURE OF THE INSIDE OF OUR HOME.

I AM HERE TO NOT SUPPORT A SPECIAL USE.

THE VILLAGE GARDEN IS 150 FEET BEYOND THE TREE YOU SEE AS YOU LOOK LOOK OUT OF OUR LIVING ROOM.

I BELIEVE THAT BEER AND WINE SALES THROUGH SPECIAL USE OF THE VILLAGE GARDEN IS A THREAT TO BOTH SAFETY AND TO THE APPEARANCE, ORDER, GENERAL WELFARE, AND THE ABILITY OF FAMILIES ALONG OLD BEACH ROAD TO PROTECT AND ENJOY OUR PROPERTY

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I'M NOT AND NEVER HAVE BEEN OPPOSED TO THIS BUSINESS.

MY HUSBAND AND I ARE PRO-BUSINESS.

WE HAVE FOLLOWED THIS SINCE THE INCEPTION.

THIS IS A LETTER THAT KELLY AND BRENDAN BROUGHT TO OUR HOME SHARING THEIR VISION. IT'S NICE FOR US TO SEE PEOPLE EATING UNDER THE TREES AND CHILDREN PLAYING GAMES IN THE CORE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET. WE HAD CANDID CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE INTENT BECAUSE THIS IS A SMALL PARCEL OF LAND WHEN WE SUPPORTED COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, WE RECOGNIZED THAT IT WAS DIFFERENT AND WOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SO WE WERE VERY INTENTIONAL IN SUPPORTING IT, KNOWING THAT THERE WAS NO POSSIBILITY OF BEER AND WINE WITHOUT SUBSEQUENT HEARINGS AND CONSIDERATION. THE REASON THAT WE REMAIN OPPOSED TO BEER AND WINE SALES THERE, EVEN THOUGH WE LIKE THEM AS A NEIGHBORHOOD SPOT, IS BECAUSE THEIR PARKING ISSUES CONTINUE TO BE PROBLEMATIC. THE PICTURES THAT MY HUSBAND SHARED, WE TOOK THOSE ON OUR CELL PHONES AND WE JUST PULLED SOME REPRESENTATIVE ONES TO SHOW YOU.

THIS IS NOT A RARE EVENT. TAKE IT TO THE BANK.

WHEN THEY'RE BUSY, THERE IS PARKING THAT IS LEGAL.

I WANT TO RESPECT MRS. SCHNECK'S ASSERTION THAT THEY AGREED TO THE NO PARKING SIGNS. IN POINT OF FACT, SAFETY EXPERTS FROM THE COUNTY RECOMMENDED SAFETY SIGNS BE PLACED AND AND NO PARKING PLACES BE PUT IN PLACE TO SAVE OUR MAILBOXES, OUR INGRESS, EGRESS TO DO BASIC THINGS TO QUEUE PEOPLE.

IT'S ILLEGAL TO PARK THERE, GUYS.

DON'T DO IT. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT WITH THE ADDITION OF BEER AND WINE, THEIR EVENING HOURS WILL GROW. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN A BUSINESS. IF I WERE A BUSINESS OWNER THERE, I'D WANT THAT TOO. THIS ISN'T A MYSTERY, THOUGH.

WHEN THIS PARCEL WAS PURCHASED, THEY KNEW WHAT IT WAS, THEY KNEW WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS, AND SO DID WE.

SO I'M ASKING THAT YOU UPHOLD PREVIOUS DECISIONS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MS. OLSON.

IF YOU COULD GIVE THOSE MATERIALS TO CHER, PLEASE.

>> MS. PERKINS: FRANCES BACON. >> SPEAKER: HI.

MY NAME IS FRANCES BACON. I LIVE AT FLEAN 40 CORONA STREET, ST. AUGUSTINE 32080. MY PROPERTY IS A CORNER LOT OF OLD A1A, OLD BEACH ROAD AND CORONA.

PART OF MY PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THIS BUSINESS, AND MY PROPERTY LINE IS PROBABLY 50 FEET FROM THEIR PROPERTY LINE, AND MY MASTER BEDROOM IS PROBABLY LESS THAN 100 FEET FROM THEIR BUSINESS. WHEN SHE SHOWED THE POLICE REPORT FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, THE LAST TIME I WAS BEFORE YOU ALL FOR ALMOST BEACH SIDE, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE BUSINESSES THAT HAD THE BEER AND WINE, I HAD A POLICE PRINT-OUT FOR ONE MONTH FOR 695 CALLS. THEY WERE FOR 911, DISPATCH, FRONT DESK. THERE WAS DRUNK DRIVING, RECKLESS DRIVING, FIST FIGHTS, AND TWO MOTOR DEATHS.

AND IT'S AMAZING THAT AS SOON AS ALMOST BEACH SIDE WAS CLOSED DOWN BY YOUR DEPARTMENT, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE NOW.

SO THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT ALCOHOL IN THAT AREA CAN BE.

IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.

AT THE LAST COMMISSIONER'S MEETING, MR. SCHNECK SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE A BAR AND THEY WOULD HAVE A BARTENDER TO SERVE THE BEER AND WINE, SO ANYBODY COULD COME IN OFF THE STREET AND GET BEER, GET WINE. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY FOOD.

YOU COULD SEND SOMEONE UP SEVERAL TIME AND GET YOUR BEER AND WINE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW.

SO ISN'T THAT KIND OF LIKE MAKING A LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD WATERING HOLE? THAT'S NOT WHAT WE AGREED TO.

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT MR. SCHNECK PROMISED US, THAT THERE WOULD

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HE WAS VERY VOCAL ABOUT THAT BEFORE HE GOT THE REZONING FROM YOU ALL. ONCE HE GOT THE REZONING, PLANS WERE TORN UP THAT YOU HAD SEEN. HE WENT BEHIND OUR BACK.

THEY HAD ALL NEW PLANS MADE. WE WERE NOT INVITED.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, NOW HE'S GOING TO GO WITH THE BEER AND WINE. OLD BAIT AND SWITCH, HE DID IT TO US. I JUST -- I JUST BEG YOU ALL NOT TO DO IT. THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THE OTHER THING IS THEY TALK ABOUT THEY HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING. IF THEY HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING, WHY DO SOME OF HIS PATRONS FROM TIME TO TIME END UP PARKING ON MY STREET, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL? IT'S NOT THERE FOR A BUSINESS.

AND THEY BLOCKED MY WHEELCHAIR RAMP.

THEY'LL PARK RIGHT UP AGAINST MY BLACK FENCE.

THEY'LL PARK ACROSS THE STREET. YOU COULDN'T GET AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE DOWN THAT STREET IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT, WHICH IT

COULD. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU,

MA'AM. >> MS. PERKINS: MAUREEN LONG.

>> SPEAKER: IS IT ON? MAUREEN LONG, 1821 CASTILE STREET, MENENDEZ PARK. GOOD AFTERNOON.

HAVING LIVED IN MENENDEZ PARK FOR 40 YEARS I'D LIKE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF ABACK GROUND ON OTHER BUSINESSES THAT HELD 2COP AND 4COP LNSDZ IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE PASS.

ALMOST IMPEACH BEACH SIDE WAS A SMALL BUILDING WITH A LARGE PARKING AREA. ITD 2COP LICENSE WITH THE SAME HOURS THAT VILLAGE GARDEN TWO YEARS AGO HAD SAID THEY WERE GOING TO USE. ALMOST BEACH SIDE CLOSED IN 1999. PIZZA GARDEN HOSTED SPECIAL EVENTS AND LOTS OF FLAGLER COLLEGE PARTIES.

THEY HAD A 2COP LICENSE IN 2005 AND A 4COP LICENSE IN 2009.

THEY STAYED OPEN TO 1:00 A.M. AND THEY CLOSED IN 2010.

MANY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE LIVED ON OLD BEACH ROAD REMEMBER THOSE BUSINESSES CLOSING AND THEY WERE GLAD THAT THEY DID.

THIS MAP SHOWS THAT BY THE RED DOTS ON THE PARCELS OF PROPERTIES IT REPRESENTS RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. TRAFFIC AND PARKING CONTINUES TO BE A SAFETY FACTOR FROM VILLAGE GARDEN WHENEVER PAY POPULAR FOOD TRUCK ROLLS IN, THERE'S GOOD WEATHER OR A GATHERING OR A HOSTED AREA. COUNTING MORE THAN THE ALLOTTED 45 SEATS FOR THE PARKING SPACES, NOT TO MENTION THE BENCHES ON THE LARGE DECK SEATING AREA AVAILABLE FOR DINING, IT'S NO WONDER THE THAT 15 PARKING SPACES AREN'T SUFFICIENT.

WITHOUT FENCES, GATES OR BARRIERS, THERE IS NO WAY FOR OUR COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT TO LIMIT IF NUMBER OF PATRONS AT VILLAGE GARDEN AS IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME BY OUR COUNTY'S FIRE REVIEW SUPERVISOR. WITH NO OCCUPANCY RESTRAINTS, THERE IS NO WAY TO PUT A LIMIT ON PATRONS IN THE SERVING AREA, PLAY AREAS OR IN ANY OF THE AREAS.

WITH VILLAGE GARDEN CATERING AND HOSTING EVENTS WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PATRONS, IT'S EASY TO ENVISION PROBLEMS WITH PARKING, SPACE AND SAFETY BY ADDING ALCOHOL TO THE PROPERTY. ON PAGE 15 OF THIS AGENDA PACKET, NUMBER 6 REFERS TO WHEN CONTROLLED AS TO NUMBER AND LOCATION WITH NO WAY TO CONSTRAIN OR LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PATRONS BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THEREFORE OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, A TRUE CONCERN FOR THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL PELL WELFARE. WITH THESE SUGGESTED SIX MOTIONS, SIX AND 7 ON PAGE 16, I REQUEST YOU TO DENY THIS PERMIT.

I WISH FOR VILLAGE GARDEN TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

WE LIKE IT THERE. WE'D LIKE FOR IT TO STAY THE WAY IT IS. BUT WE DON'T WANT IT AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D BE INTERESTED.

DO YOU NEED ANYTHING FROM WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT?

>> MR. MATOVINA: EVERYTHING YOU'VE SHOWED ON THERE, YOU NEED

TO GIVE TO MS. SHERI, PLEASE. >> SPEAKER: I DIDN'T SHOW IT TODAY, SHOW SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED IT TO SEE THAT I SPOKE WITH THEM. NO.

>> MS. PERKINS: SAMMY MYRICK. SALLY MYRICK

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>> SPEAKER: DOES IT MATTER WHERE I STAND?

>> MR. MATOVINA: NO, MA'AM. >> SPEAKER: SALLY MYRICK, 736ES TARRY STREET. I'M JUST HERE TO POINT OUT HOW EXTREMELY DIFFERENT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS FROM THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE AREA. HAVE YOU BEEN APPRISED OF THE PROCLAMATION THAT WE RECEIVED RECENTLY FROM THE COUNTY

COMMISSION? >> MR. MATOVINA: NO, MA'AM.

>> SPEAKER: HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT IT? NO? OH, OKAY.

I'LL JUST GOING TO READ WHATEVER IS ALLOWED IN THE THREE MINUTES.

"WHEREAS THE THE NENDZ NESTLED BETWEEN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND THE ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH IS ONE OF THE EARLIEST SUBDIVISIONS ON ANASTASIA ISLAND DATING BACK TO 1924 BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BRIDGE OF LIONS, AND WHEREAS THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF MENENDEZ PARK CAN BE TRACED BACK TO THE 17TH CENTURY WHICH SPANISH SETTLERS QUARRY USED MANY OF ST. AUGUSTINE'S STRUCTURES, MOST NOTELY THE CASILLA DE SMAWSHES AND LOCATE IN THE MENENDEZ PARK ARE TANGIBLE LINKS TO THE SPANISH COLONIAL PERIOD AND THE QUARTERING OF COQUINA, INCLUDING RUINS OF A SPANISH BARRACKS WHICH LIKELY HOUSED THE QUARRY MASTER OVERSEER, MASTER MASONS AND STONE CUTTERS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CASTILLO DE SAN MARCOS AND WHEREAS THOSE RUINS SET ASIDE AS A PUBLIC PARK BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY INCLUDING THE HOLD THE SPANISH CHIMNEY AND WELL WHICH ARE TWO OF THE ONLY -- ONLY A FEW COLONIAL HISTORICAL RESOURCES THAT HAVE SURVIVED OUTSIDE THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, AND WHEREAS MENENDEZ PARK IS HISTORICALLY RELEVANT AND REPRESENTS OLD FLORIDA, CARVED OUT OF A MARITIME HAMMOCK WITH LIVE OAKS AND SPANISH MOSS OVERHANGING THE STREETS, BOARDED ON THE WEST BY FLORIDA A1A AND THE EAST BY ANASTASIA STATE PARK AND THE ATLANTIC OCEAN, NOW THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BROAFERRED COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT THE MENENDEZ PARK NEIGHBORHOOD BE RECOGNIZED FOR ITS HISTORICAL ATTRIBUTES AND CONTRIBUTIONS THE TO DEVELOPMENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL PLACE AND WE NEED TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T WANT TO TURN THIS IN.

IT HAS THE SEAL ON IT, SO CAN YOU MAKE A COPY OF THIS?

YOU MAKE A COPY OF THAT. >> MS. PERKINS: ANNE CHALLIS.

>> SPEAKER: HI. I'M ANN SHALL AS A 212 SAWTDZ BELLAGIO DRIVE IN SPHAWGHT 32092.

SOME IOWA DIFFERENT THAN MOST OF THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN I DON'T ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT I USE THE SERVICES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M A PATRON OF THE HAIR SALON THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS ESTABLISHMENT, AND I ALSO USE OLD BEACH ROAD, A1A, BEACH BOULEVARD AND SO FORTH TO TRAVEL TO THE BEACH, THE RESTAURANTS, THE PIER AND SO FORTH.

AND LET ME JUST SAY I GO THROUGH THERE A LOT, AND THE PICTURES THAT WERE SHOWN BY THE APPLICANT ARE VERY MUCH MINIMIZING THE IMPACT OF THEIR PATRONS. IT'S VERY RARE THAT I GO, THAT I AM NOT LEAVING IN AND OUT OF FOLK OF CARS THAT ARE PARKED.

THE EGRESS AND TRYING TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK FOR THE HAIR SALON, AND EVERYBODY AS YOU KNOW NEEDS TO GET TO THEIR HAIR SALON, SO I THINK THAT PARKING IS A REAL ISSUE HERE.

THAT INTERSECTION, MOST OF YOU, IF YOU'RE THE IN COUNTY, GOES THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION AT SOME POINT AND RECOGNIZES THAT IT'S INCERTAINTY CONFUSING. IT'S IT'S DANGEROUS WITHOUT THE ADDITION OF LIKELY ALCOHOL IMPAIRED PATRONS THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT IS LOOKING TO JOYNER FAMILY-FRIENDLY PLACE.

I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE FOCUS OF THE SPEECH THIS MORNING WAS ABOUT HOW FAMILY-FRIENDLY IT IS AND YET THEY ALSO WANT TO BRING IN ALCOHOL WHICH IS SOMEWHAT DISCONNECTED, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

IT ALSO -- IT SEEMS LIKE AN ODD LOCATION FOR THIS ENTERPRISE.

THERE'S LIMITED PARKING. IT'S ADJACENT TO THE WELL-ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE BORDERED BY RESIDENTIAL STREETS. THERE'S NO VIEWS.

MOST FOOD TRUCK PLACES YOU GO TO LOOK THEY MARINE OR LOOK AT OTHER PLACES. THERE'S NOTHING TO LOOK AT EXCEPT THE BUSY ROADS THAT ARE GOING BY.

AND FRANKLY IT LOOKS A BIT UM KEPT AND TACKY AS YOU'RE GOING BY A1A. IT APPEARS AS THEY THEIR ORIGINAL BUSINESS PLAN DID NOT INCLUDE BEER AND WINE, AND WE ALL FEEL VERY BADLY FOR A SMALL BUSINESS THAT HAS WEAN BEEN

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>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> MS. PERKINS: PEGGY STEVENS. >> SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE]

>> MS. PERKINS: GOT TO PRESS THE BUTTON.

>> SPEAKER: THERE WE GO. MY NAME IS PEGGY STEVENS.

I LIVE AT RIVIERA STREET, 1303. I'VE BEEN THERE 47 YEARS.

SO I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS HAVE DOUBLED SINCE I LIVED THERE. I'VE MET THESE LOVELY PEOPLE BACK IN 2016, AND THEY ARE LOVELY PEOPLE.

THEY WERE CANVASSING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE IDEA OF THEIR DREAM OF HAVING THIS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WITH THE FOOD TRUCKS. AT THAT TIME IT WAS FRESH PRODUCE. THEY CAME TO US WITH THE THOUGHTS OF FOOD GARDENS, FRESH PRODUCE, FARM MARKET,EST FRESH JUICE, AND WE AS THE NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. I HAD A MEET AND GREET AT MY HOUSE TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THEM, AND I WAS GLAD TO DO THAT. AT THE TIME THEY WERE ASKED, BESIDES US BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, THEY WERE ASKED ABOUT THE ALCOHOL ISSUE. WE ARE LONG-TERM NEIGHBORS.

THIS IS NOT A TRANSIENT NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAVE LIVED THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

WE'VE SEEN BUSINESSES COME AND GO.

AND BY THE WAY, THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAD WITH THE PAST LICENSE, THE ALCOHOL LICENSE THEY HAD DOWN THERE WAS -- THE PAST PREDICTS THE FUTURE. WE HAD NOTHING BUT ISSUES DOWN THERE. AND IT SPILLED ALL INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AFTER AFTER BRENDAN AND KELLYT THEIR CHANGE OF USE FOR THE PROPERTY, THEY THEN WE NEVERY DID SEE WHAT THEY PROMISED US, AND THAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES.

I UNDERSTAND THINGS COME AND GO AS THE WAY BUSINESSES HAVE TO DEAL WITH. I ALSO FIND IT VERY INTERESTING ON THEIR WEBSITE OF THE PEOPLE WHO DID SEND A NOTE IN, I COULDN'T READ IT BECAUSE IT WAS SO FAST IN COMING, BUT HOW MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE FOR THAT CHANGE LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? IT'S EASY TO GET PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME AND GET A DRINK TO COME INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S NEIGHBORHOOD.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WE ARE THE LAST NEIGHBORHOOD AS YOU HEAD TO THE BEACH. WE'RE THE FIRST ONE LEAVING ON A1A. THE VILLAGE GARDEN SITS IN A BLIND SPOT FOR ANYONE LEAVING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BEACH.

PARKING, ENTERING AND LEAVING ON OUR NARROW OLD BEACH ROAD IS ALREADY AN ISSUE AT THEIR BUSINESS, AND NOW WANTING TO INCREASE THEIR BUSINESS EVEN FURTHER BY INTRODUCING BEER AND

ALCOHOL. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU,

MS. STEENS. >> SPEAKER: YES.

I WILL WIND IT UP HERE. THEIR SUCCESS SHOULD NOT DEPEND ON ALCOHOL. AS THEY STATED, THERE'S ALCOHOL WITH BUSINESSES UP AND DOWN A1A. O STEEN'S IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF BEING THERE 50 YEARS AND THEY NEVER SERVED ALCOHOL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND I BEG YOU TO

VOTE NO. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. THE ICE CREAM TRUCK IS HERE IF ANYBODY WANTS ANY.

>> MS. PERKINS: THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS.

SO WE ARE BACK INTO IF AGENCY AT THIS POINT AND WE ARE AT A TIME WHEN THE APPLICANT CAN COME UP AND PROVIDE SOME REBUTTAL.

[INAUDIBLE] >> MR. MATOVINA: NO, IT'S NOT.

THEY WOULD ONLY BE SWORN IN WITH REGARD TO THEIR TESTIMONY FROM HERE FORWARD, THOUGH. GO AHEAD, CHRISTINE.

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>> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. REPEAT AFTER ME.

I, STATE YOUR NAME. >> BRENDAN, KELLY.

>> LAST NAMES, PLEASE. >> SCHNECK.

>> DO SWAR AND AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY BEFORE THE

PLANNING & ZONING AGENCY. >> THANK

YOU. >> AS STATED BEFORE, I AM VERY GRATEFUL THAT I HAD THOSE OPPOSED SWEAR IN.

I HAVE TAKEN NAMES OF SEVERAL OF THEM WHO HAVE ALREADY INCRIMINATED THEMSELVES BASED ON FALSE CONVERSATIONS, CONVERSATIONS THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.

WHAT WE PRESENTED WERE ACTUAL FACTS, ACTUAL TRAFFIC SUPPORT, ACTUAL SAFETY DATA. ALL I HEARD AGAIN WAS SOMEONE'S FEARS OF THE UNKNOWN AND OPINION, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR ANY STATISTICS, STUDIES TO BACK THAT UP.

I'M ALSO VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT THOSE PHOTOS WERE DATED BY HAND WITH A SHARPIE. OUR PHOTOS, I TOOK THEM AS EARLY AS I COULD TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS RELEVANT.

THOSE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN YESTERDAY, AS MY PRESENTATION NEEDED TO BE TURNED IN THAT AFTERNOON.

I WANTED THEM TO BE AS RELEVANT AS POSSIBLE.

OPINIONS AREN'T FACTS, AND TO HAVE OUR LIVELIHOOD SO HEAVILY JEOPARDIZED BY OPINIONS AND NOT FACTS AND THE ACTUAL STUDIES AND DATA IS DETRIMENTAL TO SMALL BUSINESSES.

WE HAVE TRIED TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN REGARDS TO PARKING. I REALIZE WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT. THE FACT IS THAT WE MEET ALL PARKING REQUIREMENTS. WE MEET ALL SITTING REQUIREMENTS. ALSO, WE SENT FORMS IN FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND WE ALSO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AGAIN, TO SAY THAT WE ARE NOT COMPATIBLE, THAT WAS A -- I ALSE SPEAKING, THERE -- OTHER RESTAURANTS ALSO STAYED OPEN LATER AND SERVED LIQUOR SO TO COMPARE MY GARDEN AND PARK TO THOSE PREVIOUS ESTABLISHMENTS IS APPLES AND ORANGES. AT THE VERY LEAST AFTER THREE YEARS OF BEING IN BUSINESS, I FEEL THAT WE'VE MORE THAN REVENUE. OURSELVES.

OUR FAMILY ATMOSPHERE. PEOPLE LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY A GLASS OF WINE OR A BEER WITH THEIR BURGER.

IT'S VERY EVIDENT BY THE SIZE OF OUR SMALL COFFEE SHOP THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO CREATE ANY KIND OF PARTY ATMOSPHERE.

IT ALSO CAN BE NOTED OUR INTENT, BASED ON OUR PAST EVENTS, CLASSICAL MUSICAL VIOLIN, MOST OF THEM ARE CHILDREN AND FAMILY EVENTS. I HAVE NOT THROWN ANYTHING -- ANY WILD EVENT THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT I INTEND TO CHANGE OUR NATURE. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CLOSING FACTS THAT YOU'D LIKE -- I'M JUST VERY CONCERNED THAT OUR ENTIRE LIVELIHOOD AND OUR BUSINESS COULD POSSIBLY BE SIMPLY VOTED ON BY OPINIONS. HOW COULD WE POSSIBLY KNOW IF WE'RE NOT EVEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY OR THE CHANCE TO

TRY? >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

SO BACK INTO THE AGENCY, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR STAFF ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM?

MR. MILLER. >> MR. MILLER: ONE QUESTION FOR OUR LOALG COUNSEL. DO COULD WE HAVE A REST A JUDE

CAUGHT A PROBLEM HERE? >>>

>> NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S POLITICAL IN THESE PROCEEDINGS.

THEY HAVE APPLIED WELL AFTER THE ONE YEAR LIMITATION IN THE EVENT

OF A DENIAL. >> MR. MILLER: THANK YOU.

AND THEN FOR PLANNING STAFF, I'M LOOKING AT OUR CODE, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WAS A ORDINANCE THAT CHANGE THE ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE BUT WITH A CAVEAT THAT THEY COULD ONLY -- EXCEPT FOR THE MOBILE FOOD TRUCK, THEY COULD ONLY USE COMMERCIAL GENERAL USES BY RIGHT AND COMMERCIAL GENERAL USES BY SPECIAL PERMIT.

CORRECT? >> I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY IS

ZONED CG. >> MR. MILLER: IT SAYS IN OUR PACKET IT'S CI WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT IT'S BASICALLY CG EXCEPT FOR MOBILE FOOD TRUCKS. I APOLOGIZE.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, YES. THEY WERE REZONED TO CI WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY WERE BE ALLOWED TO USE ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL USES, HOWEVER, ON THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USES, THEY WERE LIMITED TO THE ABILITY ONLY NIRCHLTS IN THAT THEY COULD GET -- THEY DON'T HAVE TO APPLY FOR ANY SPECIAL USE PERMITS AND THEY CAN BE ALLOWE TO USE THE

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CG CATEGORY. >> IT WOULD BE EITHER A CI OR A

CG. >> I'M LOOKING AT THE ORDER THAT'S IN THE PACKET, AND IT SAYS, "ALL USES BY RIGHT IN THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT ARE ALLOWED, USES ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE IN THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT MAY BE ALLOWED PENDING APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE

PERMIT." >> THAT DOES SOUND CORRECT, AND

I WAS NOT PART OF THIS -- >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> PREVIOUSLY. >> MR. MILLER: THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AND CONDITIONAL ZONINGS ARE HARD TO REMEMBER.

AND I'M ARRIVING AT MY POINT. THE SPECIAL USE IN THE CG SAYS ALCOHOL USES IS A SPECIAL USE IN CG.

DOES THAT INCLUDE ALL ALCOHOL OR BEER AND WINE OR BEER AND WINE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RESTAURANT?

>> THAT WOULD INCLUDE ANY APPLICATIONS FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGES DEPENDING ON THE LICENSE SERIES THAT WERE BEING APPLIED FOR. A BAR WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROVED WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL EITHER BY RIGHT OR BY SPECIAL USE. SO IN THIS CASE, AND I DID BRING THIS JUST IN CASE THIS WAS BROUGHT UP WITH BE THE ACTUAL DEFINITION OF A RESTAURANT. IT'S AN ESTABLISHMENT WHERE FOOD IS ORDER FROM A MENU PREPARED AND SERVED FOR PAY PRIMARILY FOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES IN A COMPLETELY ENCLOSED ROOM UNDER THE ROOF A MAIN STRUCTURE OR IN AN INTERIOR COURT, WHICH IS WHAT THE FOOD COURT WOULD BE DEFINED AS.

SO THEREFORE, IT'S MY OPINION THAT THEY MEET THE DEFINITION OF THE RESTAURANT AS LONG AS IT'S KEPT WITHIN THAT AREA THAT'S

DESIGNATED ON THE SITE PLAN. >> MR. MILLER: AND EVEN THOUGH THEY MEET THE DEFINITION OF A RESTAURANT, THEY STILL HAVE TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT JUST FOR BEER AND WINE?

>> YES, CORRECT. >> MR. MILLER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE AGENCY HAVE QUESTIONS? BECAUSE I HAVE A COUPLE.

FIRST OF ALL, OF THE APPLICANT. IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL, AND I'M NOTE SUGGESTING THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE MADE HERE BECAUSE I DON'T MAKE THEM, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THERE IS A LIMITATION ON THE HOUR THAT YOU HAVE TO STOP SERVING ALCOHOL OR FOOD. WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO AN 8:00 P.M. TIME FRAME BEING PLACED IN THERE AS A CONDITION IF SOMEBODY MADE THAT MOTION? SPNCHT I WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE OPEN TO PUTTING A TIME CAP ON IT.

I WOULD FEEL MOW COMFORTABLE IF IT WAS 9:30 OR 10:00 AS WE NEVER INTEND TO BE OPEN BEYOND THAT. DURING THE SUMMER WE PLAN ON BEING OPEN AT 9:00 AND DURING THE WINTER WE'RE JUST GOING TO

BE OPEN FOR LUNCHES. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

AND TO THE STAFF, SO WE HAVE THIS USE AND IT'S A RESTAURANT.

IF THIS WERE A DRIVE DRIVE-THROUGH, HOW WOULD THE NUMBER OF SEATS SUPERIORS THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES COMPARE? IS IT THE SAME, ONE TO THREE? IS THAT TOO HARD OF A QUESTION?

I MAY BE -- >> NO, SIR, IT'S NOTE TOO HARD OF A QUESTION. WE HAVE A PARKING STANDARD FOR RESTAURANTS, AND THEN TO THAT WOULD GET CONSIDERED THAT WAY.

SO YES, SIR. >> IT WOULD BE THE SAME.

>> IT'S PROBABLY THE SAME. I DON'T THINK IT'S DIFFERENT FOR FAST FOOD OR DRIVE-THROUGH TYPE RESTAURANTS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND A SIT-DOWN RESTAURANT.

IT ALL WOULD BE THE SAME. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. THAT IS HELPFUL.

THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAD. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. MILLER.

>> MR. MILLER: IT REMINDED ME OF ONE QUESTION I HAD FOR STAFF.

IS THIS GRANDFATHERED? IS THERE A REASON THE PARKING IS SO LOW RELATIVE TO THE NUMBER OF SEATS?

>> NO, SIR. THEY'RE NOT GRANDDAUGHTER IN.

I THEY DID A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT AT THE TIME THAT THE

ZONING OCCURRED. >> MR. MILLER: SO THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING UNDER THE CODE.

AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE TO UNDERSTAND, WHAT WE'RE ASKED TO DEAL WITH HERE IS

NOT RARDIN PARKING. >> CORRECT.

JUST TO FURTHER COMMENT ON THAT PARKING IS DETERMINED BY NUMBER OF SEATS, WHICH IS AN EXTENDED CONVERSATION.

IT CAN BE REFERENCED ALL THE WAY BACK THE TO BEGINNING, THAT WE PUT IN THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE AMOUNT OF ESTATES.

JUST LIKE ANY OTHER -- SEATS, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER RESTAURANTS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY SHOULD THERE NEED TO BE SOMETHING IN WRITING, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COMPROMISE AND MEET IN THE MIDDLE THAT NO ALCOHOL WILL EVER BE SERVED PAST 9:00 P.M. BECAUSE I HAVE NO INTENTION OF BEING OPEN LATER THAN THAT AT ANY

GIVEN POINT. >>>

>> MR. MATOVINA: 9:00 P.M. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION AT THIS POINT. MR. MILLER.

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>> MR. MILLER: I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT 2021-14 SUBJECT TO 11 CONDITIONS AND EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE ADDED CONDITION THAT THERE BE NO ALCOHOL SALES AFTER 9:00 P.M.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION PER THE STAFF REPORT FOR A 9:00 P.M.

LIMIT ON ALCOHOL SALES. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PIERRE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

THAT MOTION FAILS. SO DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION?

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO DENY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IMAGINE 20 THE ONE-14 SUBJECT TO SEVEN

[3. SUPMAJ 2021-15 Sporks 2COP. Request for a Special Use Permit to allow for the onsite sale and consumption of beer and wine under the regulation of the State of Florida Type 2COP license pursuant to Section 2.03.02 of the Land Development Code, specifically located at 1943 A1A South.]

>> MR. MATOVINA: I'VE GOT A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PETER.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES 5-1.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3, WE HAVE PRESENTER MACK AND JULIE LEMKE AND IS THERE ANY EX PARTE TO DECLARE FOR ITEM 3? ANYBODY?

[INAUDIBLE] >> MR. MATOVINA: YOUR MOOC'S

NOTE ON. >> MR. PIERRE: I DROVE BY THE ESTABLISHMENT AND I SPOKE TO THE OWNER.

I THINK HIS NAME IS MILES. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, MA'AM. >> SPEAKER: HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M JULIE LEMKE I LIVE AT 1600 SAN CARLOS DRIVE ST. AUGUSTINE 32080, AND I'M HERE TODAY ON BLAF OF WILL I BY AND MILES WHO OWN SPORKS AS THE 1943 A1A IN THE PLAZA HIN THE AMICI RESTAURANT WHERE THE BETTY GRIFFITH HOUSE IS AND WHERE AUTO MAN BISTRO IS AND THE ANASTASIA BILLIARDS. THERE'S A DOLLAR GENERAL IN THAT SAME PLAZA. MILES AND WILL I LIBBY STARS FOOD TRUCK, AND THEY SERVE TACOS, SOME A ACAE BOWLS ANH SALADS AND THEY'RE REALLY KNOWN BY THEIR MACARONI AND CHEESE.

AND THEN IN 2019 IN DECEMBER THEY OPENED THIS RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER PLAZA.

IT'S ABOUT 1,000 SQUARE FEET. THEIR LICENSED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL REGULATION.

IT'S A TEN-SEAT RESTAURANT, AND THEY'RE OPEN FROM 11:00 A.M. TO 3:00 P.M. SERVING LUNCH ONLY SIX DAYS A WEEK.

THEY'RE CLOSED ON SUNDAY. AND SO THEY OPENED IN DECEMBER OF 2019. THEY WERE SHUT DOWN LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN MARCH OF 2020 DURING THE COVID QUARANTINE.

AND THEY KIND OF STRUGGLED, BUT BECAUSE THEY HAD A GOOD FOLLOWING FROM THE FOOD TRUCK, THEY DID OKAY THROUGH 2020 AND THEY'RE DOING A LITTLE BETTER IN '21.

ONE OF THEIR GOALS THIS YEAR WAS TO OFFER BEER WITH THEIR TACOS FOR LUNCH. AGAIN, THEY'RE ONLY OPEN FOUR HOURS A DAY FROM 11:00 TO 3:00. THEY DO SOME SPECIAL EVENTS AND SOME CATERING BUT THIS 2COP LICENSE WOULD ENABLE THEM TO OFFER BEER AND WINE FOR THEIR PATRONS, AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE APPLYING FOR THE SUP PERMIT TODAY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MS. PERKINS: WE DO NOT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I JUST HAD A COMMENT BECAUSE I DIDN'T RESPOND WHEN YOU ASKED ABOUT EX PARTE. I DID STOP BY THAT BAR ALSO

YESTERDAY. >> MR. MATOVINA: I HEARD YOU STOP THERE MOTION DAYS. [LAUGHTER]

>> MR. MATOVINA: YOU DIDN'T HAPPEN TO BRING ANY SAMPLES BECAUSE WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ALL THAT FOOD.

>> SPEAKER: NO, WE DID NOT. I'M SORRY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION I THINK AT THIS POINT. MS. PERKINS.

[4. SUPMAJ 2021-16 Paladar Cuban Eatery 2COP. Request for a Special Use Permit to allow for the on-site sale and consumption of beer and wine under the regulation of the State of Florida Type 2COP ABT license pursuant to Section 2.03.02 of the Land Development Code, and to allow for Outdoor Seating on a property zoned for commercial uses and located within a Residential Future Land Use (FLU) designation, in accordance with Section 2.04.05.B of the Land Development Code, specifically located at 5575 A1A South.]

>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MAGIC 2021-15 SUBJECT TO 11 CONDITIONS.

AND EIGHT IND FOONGS OF FACT. >> MR. MATOVINA: A MOTION BY MS. PENSIONER FOR APPROVAL, SECOND BY MR. PETER.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE

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>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

NEXT WE HAVE THE PAL DOOR CUBAN EATERY AND IS THERE ANY COMPART COMMUNICATION TO BE DECLARED FOR THIS?

DR. MCCORMICK. >> DR. MCCORMICK: AGAIN, I STOPPED BY THAT ONE ALSO. [LAUGHTER]

>> MR. MATOVINA: I HOPE YOU WERE USING UBER.

>> DR. MCCORMICK: >> MR. PIERRE: I TOPPED STOPPED BY THAT ONE BUT LUCKILY IT'S NOT OPEN.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT, MA'AM.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. HOW ARE YOU? MY NAME IS ISELA GONZALEZ AND WE ARE LOK AT 5575 A1A SOUTH IN UNITY 2 WHICH IS PART OF THE HAWAIIAN ISLES SHOPPING PLAZA WHERE THE DOLLAR GENERAL IS LOCATED.

THERE ARE -- I DO HAVE. THERE ARE SIX OF US LOCATED IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER. AND THE REQUEST WE HAVE IS TO ALLOW ON-SITE CONSUMPTION OF BEER AND WINE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE EXISTING RESTAURANT. WE'RE ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AS YOU SAW,. NOT SO FAR ALONG AS WE'D LIKE TO BE AT THE MOMENT. BUT WE WILL BE OPEN PRETTY MUCH FROM 8:00 A.M. TO 6:00 P.M. WE ARE PRIMARILY A BAKERY, COFFEE SHOP, AND WE SERVE, OF COURSE, LUNCH, SANDWICHES, AND WE MAY HAVE A FEW BOWLS, SO BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE IS A COFFEE SHOP AND A SANDWICH SHOP. WE ARE SEEKING OBVIOUSLY TO GET A BEER AND WINE LICENSE MOSTLY FOR THE BEER PART BECAUSE WE -- EVERYONE LIKES A CUBAN SANDWICH WITH BEER.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN REQUESTED BY MANY, MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME BY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL MAP -- LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE THIS -- OUR LOCATION IS BASED RIGHT THERE IN THAT TINY LITTLE SECTION.

SO WE HAVE A TERRACED AREA WHICH WE ARE REQUESTING -- THAT'S OUR HUMAN ONCOLOGY US OUTDOOR COURTYARD HEAR.

HUE MON GUST OUTDOOR COURTYARD AREA.

WE HAVE ABOUT 20 SEATS IN OUR LOCATION.

WE'RE MAINLY A QUICK SERVE, SO WE EXPECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TAKE-OUT AS FAR S WE'RE CONCERNED AND UBER EATS DELIVERIES. SO WE HAVE A 10 BY 20 OUTDOOR COURTYARD AREA THAT WE'D LIKE TO INCLUDE IN THAT 2COP LICENSE.

BACK TO THE PRESENTATION. THERE YOU GO.

OUR OPERATION HOURS ARE 8:30 TO 6:00 A.M.

WE'RE GOING TO BE CLOSED ON MONDAY.

IN THE ONSET WE'RE PROBABLY ONLY GOING TO BE OPEN FROM THURSDAY TO SUNDAY TO START IN THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

AS FAR AS WE ARE CONCERNED, AND WE KNOW OUR APPLICATION MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WE'RE LOCATED RIGHT ON A1A. AND WE ALSO ARE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING MAP. NOW, I'D LIKE TO -- AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A SEATING PLAN WHICH WILL SHOW YOU WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT SEVEN POSSIBLE SEATS OUTSIDE.

IT'S SO SMALL. AND I DO WANT TO INCLUDE IMAGES IMAGES -- [INAUDIBLE] THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS OUR OUTDOOR AREA.

THIS WOULD BE OUR DOOR COMING IN AND ANOTHER ONE COMING OUT.

THIS IS A VIEW OF OUR PARKING IN UNDIRECTION WHICH WILL SHOW -- ONE DIRECTION, WHICH WILL SHOW A LOT OF PARKING SPACES.

AND THIS IS THE BACK AREA OF OUR SHOPPING CENTER.

AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, WE HAVE A BARRIER WALL BEFORE THE NEXT COMMUNITY, YET OUR TERRACED AREA IS IN THE FRONT.

OUR BARRIER FROM HERE, WHICH IS OUR TERRACED AREA ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STREET WHERE ANY HOMES ARE LOCATED, IS 160 FEET

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>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MS. PERKINS: WE DO HAVE. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MA'AM, YOU'LL NEED TO GIVE THOSE CARDS TO SHERI, PLEASE.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

DR. MCCORMICK. >> DR. MCCORMICK: WE DIDN'T

HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? >> MR. MATOVINA: YES, SIR.

NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, CORRECT. >> DR. MCCORMICK: MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE SUPMAJ 2021-16 SUBJECT TO 11 CONDITIONS AND

[5. MINMOD 2021-12 The Markets @ Twin Creeks - Badger Industrial Park. Request for a Minor Modification to the Badger Industrial Park PUD (ORD. 2005-02, as amended) to allow an increase in signage and a reduction to buffers on Parcel 4, and to adopt and record a revised Master Development Plan Map for construction of a 15,900 square foot retail center, specifically located on the north side of County Road 210 West and west of Badger Park Drive.]

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY DR. MCCORMICK FOR APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND BY MS. PERKINS. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

CONGRATULATIONS, MA'AM. OKAY.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 5, AND MS. TAYLOR.

>> SPEAKER: IS THIS A? IS THERE WE GO.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IS THIS YOUR FIRST TIME?

>> SPEAKER:Y FEEL LIKE IT. IT'S USUALLY ALREADY ON.

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING. IT MUST HAVE GOT SWITCHED AROUND. GOOD AFTERNOON, KAREN TAYLOR 77 SARAGOSSA STREET. I'M MERE FOR THE MARKETS@TWIN CREEKS. THAT'S PART OF THE BARGER INDUSTRIAL PARK, AND THIS IS PART OF A MINOR MODIFICATION TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TOOT PUD THAT EXISTS FOR THAT.

WITH ME ARE BARNEY SMITH AND GARY JOHNSON WHICH ARE SMITH & YOUNG WHO ARE THE DEVELOPERS WHO PLAN TO DEVELOP THIS PIECE OF

PROPERTY. >> MR. MATOVINA: MS. TAYLOR, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE

TO DECLARE? >> DR. MCCORMICK: NOT ME THIS

TIME. >> MR. MATOVINA: BECAUSE I DO.

I HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY WITH MR. SMITH AND MR. JOHNSON TO DISCUSS THE MERITS OF THE VARIANTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICATION. SORRY, MS. TAYLOR.

>> SPEAKER: NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS AGAIN A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S WITHIN WHAT WAS ALWAYS CONSIDERED AN INDUSTRIAL PARK.

IT'S 1.95 ACRES. IT SHOWS IN THE YELLOW, IT SHOWS IN THE DARK LINE, NOT THE WHOLE PUD, THE YELLOW DASHED LINE, IT'S RIGHT EAST OF INTERSATE 95.

WEST OF US-HIGHWAY 1 WHICH YOU CAN SEE OFF TO THE OTHER SIDE.

IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 210 ACROSS FROM CUMBERLAND INDUSTRIAL PARK. AND THE NEW BEACH WALK ACTUALLY BACKS UP TO IT. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT UP IN THE -- IN THAT NORTHEAST CORNER. BADGER INDUSTRIAL PARK, THIS IS UNDER ORDINANCE 2005. IT'S A TOTAL OF 18.9 ACRES.

BUT THIS USED TO BE KNOWN AS FIORI PUD.

IT USED TO INCLUDE THE PART WHERE ACTUALLY OVER IN HERE THERE'S FLORIDA ROCK HAS THEIR FACILITIES AND THINGS AND THERE'S A SELF-STORAGE THAT WAS TWIEDED AND CHANGED, SO THE 2005 WERE ONLY DEALING WITH THIS PORTION ANYMORE.

YOU CAN KIND OF TELL THERE'S INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA AS WELL AS THE NEW RESIDENTIAL THAT IS GOING IN.

FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE, IT'S MIXED USE AREA PRIMARILY AND WEAR IN A MIXED USE AREA. THERE IS RESIDENTIAL A, B AND C, SO LOTS OF VARIETY THERE, AS WELL AS SOME NEW TOWN AND INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL AS YOU GET OVER TOWARDS US-1 AND ABOVE US WHICH WOULD BE OFF RACE TRACK ROAD.

THIS IS THE ADJACENT ZONING. BASICALLY WHAT YOU WOULD THINK, A LOT OF PUDS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, AND CHT CENTERED AROUND THE INTERCHANGE OF I-95.

SO THIS IS FULLY WITHIN THE BADGER INDUSTRIAL PARK.

IT DOES HAVE FRONTAGE ON 210. PART OF IT, AS YOU CAN TELL, IS

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IF THE SOUTH IS THE UNDEVELOPED PORTION OF CUMBERLAND INDUSTRIAL PARK, AND THAT WOULD BE ACROSS THE STREET.

THERE IS A OFFICE ON-SITE RIGHT NOW AS WELL AS A BOAT AND RV STORAGE. AND YOU'LL NOTE, AND YOU CAN SEE BECAUSE OF THIS OLDER -- THESE ARE 2019 AERIALS FROM THE COUNTR INDUSTRIAL PARK DRIVE ORIGINALLY CAME IN ACROSS HERE, AND THAT WAS REALIGNED IN ORDER TO MEET WITH THE CUMBERLAND PARK DPRIEFORT FOUR-LANING OF 210, AND SO IT'S KIND OF CREATED A VERY UNUSUAL SITE AS YOU CAN KIND OF NOTE.

THIS IS THE MINOR MODIFICATION SITE PLAN.

IT WOULD BE ONLY FOR OUR SITE. AND THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, SIGNAGE CHANGE, A REDUCTION IN THE NORTH BUFFER, A CHANGE TO THE UPLAND BUFFER IN ALLOWING AVERAGING, AND ALSO ENCROACHING INTO THE BUFFER A LITTLE BIT ALONG THE ENTRANCE ROAD. AGAIN, IT'S A TOTAL OF 1.95 ACRES. THERE'S NO WETLANDS ON SITE BUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY UPLAND BUFFER ON SITE, AND THE ACCESS IS THAT BADGER PARK DRIVE, AND NAS A PRIVATE ROAD.

IT'S NOT REAL REALLY A ROAD. IT'S NOT A PLATTED ROAD.

IT'S ACTUALLY A DRIVE, LIKE WOULD BE IN A SHOPPING CENTER.

AND THIS IS JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE SIZE AND THE SCALE. THIS IS ABOUT 558 FEET ACROSS THE FRONT ON THIS SITE, SO IT'S VERY LINEAR HERE, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO USE PORTIONS OF IT BECAUSE OF THE UNUSUAL SHAPE TO IT. AND THEN IT'S ONLY A LITTLE BIT NORTH UP HERE A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET.

ACTUALLY IT'S 150 OR 198 THAT COMES ONTO THAT.

SO THEY'RE ASKING TO BUILD A 15,900 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING FOR COMMERCIAL RETAIL ACTIVITIES. WE DO HAVE PARKING AT ONE PER 250. YOU CAN SEE THE RATIOES FOR IMPERVIOUS TO PERVERSE EVER PERV PERVIOUS WHICH MEETS THE CRITERIA OF IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

ALONG THE FRONTAGE THERE IS NO CHANGE.

THERE IS A BUFFER THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED THROUGH THE PUD.

THERE'S A UTILITY EASEMENTS WHICH ALSO SERVES AS PART OF THAT TO MAKE THAT A 20-FOOT BUFFER BUT AS I'LL NOTE A LITTLE BIT LATER, THERE WAS 30 FEET OF THIS SITE THAT WAS RECENTLY DEDICATED TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR THE WIDENING OF 210.

SO THAT'S ACTUALLY SHRUNK THIS SITE QUITE A BIT IN THE DEPTH.

FIRST I'LL GO ALONG IS THE SIGNAGE CHANGE.

RIGHT NOW THE PUD ALLOWS FOR A 10-FOOT DEVELOPMENT SIGN AT 100 SQUARE FEET, AND THAT WOULD BE IN THIS YELLOW AREA.

WE'RE NO MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THAT.

THAT IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE ENTIRE INDUSTRIAL PARK.

THAT'S NOT FOR THEM TO USE INDIVIDUALLY.

THE OTHER SIGN, THE OTHER PORTION OF THE PUD ALLOWS 8-FOOT HIGH SIGNS AT 60 SQUARE FEET EACH.

THIS IS THE LOCATION THEY WANT TO HAVE THERE BUT THAT WOULD BE THE SAME FOR ALL OF THE INDUSTRIAL SITES AND THE SITES WITHIN THE PUD, SO EACH ONE HAS THAT RIGHT.

WE'RE ASKING TO ACTUALLY EXPAND THAT PARTICULAR SIGN, AND THAT SIGN TO BE 20 FEET HIGH INSTEAD OF THE 8 AND 150 SQUARE FEET IN DISPLAY AREA. NOW, THAT MIGHT SEEM A LOT TO YOU, BUT I'VE INCLUDED ON HERE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHICH FOR OVER 500 FEET WE WOULD BE, THIS SITE IF IT WASN'T ZONED PUD, IF IT WAS JUST A COMMERCIAL ZONING, WOULD ALLOW FOR TWO SIGNS AT 150 SQUARE FEET PLUS TWO AT 100 SQUARE FEET FOR THAT FRONTAGE, AND THEY'D ALL BE ALLOWED TO BE 25 FEET HIGH.

SO WE'RE KIND OF HALF OF, EVEN LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT'S ALLOWED BY THE CODE, WOULDN'T NORMALLY BE ALLOWED BY THE CODE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE OTHER SIGNAGE IN THE AREA THAT IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. REMEMBER, I SAID THIS WAS AN INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT WAS KIND OF CHANGED TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL USES. AND THE SIGNAGE HAS REMAINED THE SAME EVEN THOUGH NEITHER OF THE MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL SITES, WHICH WOULD BE THESE FRONTAGE SITES, HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED.

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THAT WAS NOT SHOWN THAT WAY ON THE MDP MAP.

HOWEVER, IT IS ALLOWED IN THE PUD.

THE LANGUAGE TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT BUFFER AVERAGING.

SO IN THIS CASE WE WANTED TO UTILIZE THAT 10-FOOT MINIMUM, WHICH IS ALLOWED BY CODE, ON THAT NORTH CORNER.

WE WOULD REMOVE THIS YELLOW. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 1-800-WHAT IT WOULD BE AT 25 FEET. AND IN ONE, FOR THAT 25 FEET WE'VE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WOULD EQUAL THE SAME SO THAT WE COMPENSATE FOR IT, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU DO WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY ALLOWED THROUGH THE CODE, THROUGH THE PUD, BUT AGAIN THIS IS ALSO DEALING WITH THE NARROWNESS OF THE SITE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'VE GOT BASICALLY A VIDRO INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUAL ROW OF PARKING, THE THEY REDUCED TO 60-FOOT IN DEPTH.

THIS THINGS THEY HAVE DAUNT MURABELLA ARE USUALLY 70 FEET IN DEPTH. AND THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO IT AS WELL AS LOADING AREA TO THE REAR OF THE SITE.

SO THAT CORNER WE ARE REQUESTING THAT FOR THAT REASON.

THE THIRD -- THIS THIRD REQUEST IS TO REDUCE THE BUFFER ALONG THE ROADWAY. THERE IS A 20-FOOT REQUIREMENT IN THE PUD. AGAIN, THIS IS A PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVE, SO THIS IS NOT A CODE REQUIREMENT.

THIS IS A PUD REQUIREMENT . THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE IT TO THAT. CHAYSE WHAT'S SHOWN UP HERE THE 8.3 FEET IN THAT ONE LOCATION, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 50 FEETS WORTH AND YOU CAN SEE I'VE KIND OF YELLOWED IT IN.

IT'S JUST A PORTION OF THOSE PARKING SPACES.

AS NOTED, THEY ONLY HAVE ONE ROW OF PARKING WITH -- OR ONE DRIVE AISLE WITH TWO ROWS OF PARKING ON FRONT AND NORMALLY IN THEIR SHOPPING AREAS THEY'LL HAVE TWO OF THOSE, SO IN THIS CASE THIS IS TOO NARROW FOR THAT SO THEY HAD TO ADD THE PARKING ON THE SIDES AS WELL. SO THAT'S ALSO TO ACCOMMODATED THIS IFNED COO UNUSUAL -- ACCOMMODATE THIS KIND OF UNUSUAL WAY THAT THIS SITE IS ORIENTED. AND THE LAST IS A REQUEST FOR THE NORTH BUFFER. RIGHT NOW THE PUD REQUIRES A 10-FOOT NORTH BUFFER. THAT'S STIPULATED WITHIN THAT.

WE'RE ASKING TO REDUCE THAT TO R THAT LOADING ZONE AND THAT ROADWAY THAT I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, THE DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD SERVE TO SERVICE THE RETAIL FACILITY.

THERE IS AN EXISTING 5-FOOT BOWFORT BUFFER ON THE ADJACENT SIDE. THIS IS THE BOAT AND RV STORAGE HERE. AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THAT AREA ACTUALLY IS AT THE RETENTION POND.

SO IT ALREADY HAS ITS OWN BUFFE BUFFER.

SO FOR THAT WE FEEL LIKE BECAUSE OF THAT SHALLOW STANCE THERE, WE NEED TODAY GET ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO GET THE TRUCKS TO BE ABLE TO% GO THROUGH HERE. AND AS A NOTE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COAT WITH COMMERCIAL BEING ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL, IT WOULD BE THE SIMILAR USE, WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY BUFFER, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY -- AND I'M KIND OF GIVING YOU THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS SO THAT I CAN HELP WITH THE COMPARISON.

SO A NON-ZONING VARIANCE, AND THIS KIND OF -- STAFF CAN SAY CAUGHT ME OFF-GUARD. I'VE DONE A NUMBER OF THESE MINOR MODS AND I HAVEN'T HAD TO DEAL WITH THESE AS NON-ZONING VARIANCES SO I WAS SENT THE CODE AND I NOW UNDERSTAND HOW THESE WORK. ONE OF THEM I STILL DON'T THINK IS A VARIANCE BUT I'M GOING TO GO THIS WAY TODAY.

SO THE NON-ZONING VARIANCE WOULD BE FOR THE SIGN.

AND THE NON-ZONING VARIANCE IS A CASE-BY-CASE DEVIATION TO THE RULES OF THE CODE WHEN THEY'RE DEMONSTRATED COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE WOULD BE PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE AND/OR UPON SHOWING GOOD CAUSE AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE CODE IS PROVIDED THAT CONFORMS TO THE GENERAL INTENT AND THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE.

AND YOU CAN REQUIRE CONDITIONS TO THAT AND SUBSTANTIALLY SECURE THE SAME OBJECTIVES OF THE STANDARDS.

SO IN THIS CASE, THESE ARE LISTED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THERE ARE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES IN CARRYING OUT THE STRICT LETTER OF THE REGULATION.

AND IN THIS CASE THERE THIS WAS A SELF-IMPOSED REGULATION BY THE PUD FOR THE SIGN. IT IS NOT IN CONFORMANCE, AGAIN, WITH WHAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO HAVE ALLOWED.

THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS NOT BASED EXCLUSIVELY UPON THE DESIRE TO REDUCE THE COST OF DEVELOPING THE SITE, AND IN FACT IT WILL NOT REDUCE THE COST IN, AND ACTUALLY DOING A LARGER SIGN

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THE VARIANCE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY DIMINISH THE PROPERTY VALUES NOR THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF AREA SURROUNDING THE SITE. AND THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE RETAIL CENTER SHOULD INCREASE THE VALUES OF THE PUD ITSELF AND THE PROPERTIES IN THE AREA. IT WON'T ALTER THE REMAINING SITE DEVELOPMENT OR ANY OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT SITE. AND THE LAST EFFECT IS IN HARMONY WITH THE GENERAL INTENT OF THE CODE AND THE SPECIFIC INTENT OF THE RELEVANT SUBJECT AREAS OF THE CODE.

AND I CAN GO OVER THOSE AGAIN, BUT AGAIN WE'RE TALKING FOUR SIGNS WOULD BE NORMAL FOR OVER 500 FEET, TWO AT ONE 50 AND TWO AT 100 SO WE'RE AT HALF OF THAT. THIS I'VE CLIEFNED INCLUDED ON THERE JUST TO KIND OF GO OVER THE REQUESTED CHANGES.

AND THESE ARE FOR THE OTHER BUFFERS IT.

DOES SHOW EVERYTHING BUT I'VE I'M INCLUDING IT JUST AS I GO AND DISCUSS WHAT A VARIANCE IS, WE CAN FLIP BACK TO THIS.

SO A ZONING VARIANCE IS A RELAXATION OF TERMS OF THE CODE.

THIS RELATES TO ALL THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS, AND AS NOTED, WE HAVE THE 5-FOOT BUFFER IN THE REAR YARD.

EVE THE AVERAGING OF THE UPND BUFFER, AND WE HAVE THE UPLAND GUFER AND 20-FOOT BUFFER DOWN TO 8.3 FOR CERTAIN SPECIFIC -- IN A SPECIFIC LOCATION. SO ZONING VARIANCE RELAXATION IN TERMS OF CODE WHERE SUCH VARIANCE WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST, REGION OF NARROWNESS, SHALLOWNESS AND UNUSUAL SHAPE OF THE SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY OR EXCEPTIONAL TOPOGRAPHIC CONDITIONS OR OTHER EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION OR CONDITION OR BY REASON OF THE USE OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY MEMORIAL DAY ADJOINING THE ENFORCEMENT WOULD CAUSE UNDUE HARDSHIP TO CARRY OUT THE SPIRIT AND THE PURPOSE OF THE CODE, AND THE VARIANCE WOULD NOT BE ADVERSE TO THE SPIRIT OF THIS CODE SO YOU CAN'T USE FAMILY OR FINANCIAL HARDSHIP BECAUSE OF THIS. WE FEEL THE SITUATION HERE, IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA FOR GRANTING A VARIANCE BY REASON OF THE EXCEPTIONAL NARROWNESS OF THE SITE, WHICH I HAVE KIND OF EXPLAINED THROUGH THESE, THE SHALLOWNESS THAT THEY HAVE, THAT UNUSUAL SHAPE THAT KIND OF -- AND THERE'S A WHOLE AREA ON THE SIDE WHERE THE ROAD IS THAT CAN'T BE USED AT ALL.

SO IT'S NOT CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST IN ORDER TO USE THAT. SO AGAIN, THE NARROWNESS IS CAUSED BY THE DEDICATION OF THAT 30-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR 210, THE RELOCATION OF BADGER PARK DRIVE TO CORRESPOND WITH THE CUMBERLAND PARK DRIVE. THE WETLANDS AND BUFFERS REQUIRED ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE. AND AGAIN THAT WAS THE ONE I THINK IT'S ALLOWED WITHIN THE PUD, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S A VARIANCE TO THE PUD. BUT ANYWAY WE ARE MAKING A CHANGE TO IT. AND THAT UTILITY AND STEIN EASEMENT AREA WHERE THE COMMON SIGN IS GOING WHICH ISN'T USE ANKLE FOR ANYTHING ELSE. SO THE BUILDINGS ARE REUSE DUDES IN WIDTH AND THE PARKING AS I EXPLAINED.

SO THE REDUCTION OF THE REAR BUFFER FROM 10 TO 5 IS ON GOING TO ALLOW THAT ACCESS AND LOADING AREA.

IT IS MATCHES THE BUFFER FOR THE RV AND BOAT STORAGE FOR HALF THE LENGTH OF THAT BUFFER. AND IT'S ADJACENT TO THE RETENTION POND FOR THE BALANCE. THE REDUCTION OF THE PUD BUFFER ALONG BADGER PARK DRIVE IS 11.7 AT THE WIDEST SO IT TAPERS OFF TO GET YOU THAT 8.3 THAT WAS SHOWN ON THE MAP, AND THAT'S REALLY ONLY FOR A SMALL PORTION OF IT.

SO IT'S INTERNAL TO IT. IT'S NO GOING TO BE A BUFFER THAT AFFECTS THE OUTSIDE AREAS AT ALL.

AND THE LAST IS AVERAGING THAT 25-FOOT UPLAND BUFFER ALLOWS TO THAT 25 FEET TO 10 FEET BY LANGUAGE ALREADY ESTABLISHED, AND IT'S PROVIDED TO MAINTAIN THE SAME AMOUNT OF UPLAND BUFFER AS BEFORE. JUST A FEW PICTURES.

THAT'S THE ENTRANCE THAT SHOWS THAT COMMON AN SIGN AREA AND BUFFER AREA THAT THEY CAN'T USE, WHICH IS THIS WHOLE AREA IN HERE ACTUALLY. KIND OF SHOWING THE SITE AS

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IT'S BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. A LITTLE CLOSER IN TO SHOW YOU THERE'S ALSO UTILITIES, LOTS OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON THERE.

THIS IS THE NEW BADGER PARK DRIVE AS THEY'VE PUT THAT INTO THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, AND YOU CAN SEE THE BOAT AND RV STORAGE THAT WOULD BE TO THE REAR OF THIS PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE OTHER BUSINESS THAT IS A MATERIALS TESTING FACILITY.

AND THIS IS KIND OF THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC WHERE THERE'S ALSO OUTDOOR STORAGE AND OPEN WAREHOUSING.

AND JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU THAT BUFFER BEHIND THE BOAT AND RV STORAGE, THIS IS JUST A PICTURE OF ACTUALLY WHAT IS PLANTED THERE AND HOW THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW.

AND YOU'LL ALSO NOTE THAT THERE'S A DRAINAGE FACILITY OR DRAINAGE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PUT ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE TO SERVE THE DRAINAGE THAT SERVES EVERYBODY.

THIS KIND OF GIVES THAT YOU SAME VIEW OF THE BUFFER ALONG THE BACK OF THE BOAT AND RV STORAGE WHICH WOULD BE BEHIND OUR RETAIL CENTER, AND THEN THE AREA WHERE THE RETENTION POND IS, THAT'S ALL THE VEGETATION AROUND THE RETENTION POND AND COMPLUG THE RETENTION POND -- AND INCLUDING THE RETENTION POND.

AND THEN THIS SHOWS YOU THE CONSERVATION AREA AND WHERE THE BUFFER HAS TO BE PUT WITHIN THAT AREA AND WHERE WE'RE MAKING THAT CHANGE AND JUST A FEW MORE OF THAT CONS.

THE CONSERVATION AREA WILL STAY JUST AS IT IS.

FRONTAGE. THERE'S ALREADY STREES TREES AND THINGS PLANTED AROUND HERE. THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO GET BACK ON 210 AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE CUMBERLAND DRIVE ACROSS FROM IT.

SO AS FOR NEED AND JUSTIFICATION, WE DO FEEL THE CHANGES ARE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE MIXED USE DESIGNATION IN THE COMP PLAN. IT WILL BE COMPATIBLE.

IT HAS BEEN COMPATIBLE. IT'S NOT CHANGING ANY COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS. THEY ARE MINOR CHANGES TO THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SITE. AND IT'S STILL GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THE MAJORITY OF BUFFERING AND THINGS REQUIRED BY THE PUD. THE OVERALL PLANS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE 15,900 SQUARE FEET IS APPROVED INTO THE PUD AND DEEMED COMPATIBLE TO THE SIMILAR USES SINCE IT'S ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED FOR. AND THEN SINCE HE IS ARE THE OTHER CRITERIA YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, I'LL JUST SAY THERE'S NO CHANGE TO ANY OF THESE OTHER THINGS THAT RELATE TO PUD MODIFICATIONS. AND IN FINAL, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL ADHERE TO THE DEVELOPMENT SET FORTH BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE REQUIRED FOR THE SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS IN AREA.

AGAIN, I'VE GIVEN YOU THAT COMPARISON THAT THIS THINGS THAT WE'RE CHANGING WOULD NOT BE AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND NONE OF THE CHANGES ARE INCONSISTENT OR CONTRARY TO THAT. THE CHANGES ARE BENEFICIAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, AND IT WON'T ALTER THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF IT, AND WE FEEL THEY MEET THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED FOR BOTH THE NON-ZONING VARIANCE AND FOR THE SIGN AND FOR THE VARIANCE CRITERIA FOR THAT.

THE OTHER IS GENERAL LANGUAGE ABOUT IT NOT AFFECTING THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT, THIS AND THAT.

I'LL GO THROUGH THAT. THE SITE IS DEFINITELY LOCATED IN A RAPIDLY GROWING AREA. YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE AERIALS THAT IS SHOWN. THERE'S CONSIDERABLE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S VERY LITTLE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

SO THEY FEEL THAT THIS SMALL SCALE RETAIL CENTER IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA. IT'S COMPAT YOU WILL BE WITH , THE COMP PLAN AND IF LDC, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL OF THE MODIFICATION. THIS DOESN'T GO ANY FARTHER THAN YOU ALL TODAY. SO WITH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND AGAIN BARNEY OR GARY ARE HERE TO

ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> MS. PERKINS: WE DO NOT. >> MR. MATOVINA: WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MS. PERKINS.

[6. REZ 2021-31 Freedom Boat Club. request to rezone approximately 1.62 acres of land from Residential, Mobile Home (RMH) to Commercial, Highway and Tourist (CHT) to allow for a boating facility.]

>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MOD 2021-12 THE MARKETS @ TWIN CREEKS SHFT BARGE INDUSTRIAL PATRICK BASED UPON SIX FINDING OF PACT AND SIX CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE

STAFF REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS. SECOND BY MR. PETER.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT ITEM PASSES. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6, AND, MS. TAYLOR, THAT ITEM IS YOURS ALSO.

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ITEM NUMBER 6? >> MS. PERKINS: NONE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: NONE, OKAY. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. KAREN TAYLOR 77 SARAGOSSA STREET. AND I DO APOLOGIZE.

I'VE HAD A COLD THIS WEEK SO MY SPROIS IS A LITTLE RASPY TODAY.

AGAIN, THIS IS FOR FREEDOM BOAT CLUB REZONING.

THIS IS FROM RMH TO CHT AND TO ALLOW FOR THE FREEDOM BOAT CLUB.

AND MARK VICKERS IS ME AND MARK IS ACTUALLY THE SPOKESPERSON FOR FREEDOM BOAT CLUB IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT IS AND AND HOW IT OPERATES. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE END OF MIXED BOATYARD ROAD NORTH OF 312 AND EAST OF US-1.

IT'S OFF THE SAN SEBASTIAN RIVER OR THE PIECE NEXT TO ITS.

TO IT IS. IT'S SOUTH OF ARAPAHO AVENUE WHICH PEOPLE MIGHT KNOW FROM TARGET HAS A BACK ENTRANCE ON ARAPAHO. AND NORTH OF CATS PAW MARINA WHICH IS RIGHT IN THIS LOCATION. IT'S PART OF THIS MOBILE HOME PARK THAT WAS THE PELLASIR FAMILY AND IT WAS OWNED TOGETHER BY THE MOTHER AND DIVVIED OUT TO THE KIDS.

THERE WERE FOUR AND SO THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT OWNERSHIPS HERE.

FREEDOM BOAT HAS ACTUALLY PURCHASED THIS PIECE AND THEY'VE ALREADY PURCHASED THIS PIECE WHICH WAS A BROTHER.

THIS IS A SISTER. HERE'S TWO OUTLYING AREAS THAT ARE TO REMAIN, BUT THE ONE TO THE SOUTH HERE HAS BEEN PURCHASED BY CATS PAW MARINA FOR EXPANSION OF THEIR FACILITIES AS WELL, SO THIS IS KIND OF A BOATING AREA, YOU CAN SEE FISH FIGHTS IS AN AREA IN HERE. THE FISH HOUSE USED TO BE COWBOYS RESTAURANT. AND YOU CAN SEE -- [INAUDIBLE] THIS IS A LITTLE CLOSER.

AGAIN IT'S PART OF THAT MOBILE HOME PARK.

THIS SITE IS 1.62 ACRES. THE MOBILE HOME PARK IS 4.91.

IT IS IN A MIXED USE AREA, AND IT'S -- YOU CAN SEE THIS AREA IS KIND OF CONFUSING. IT GOES BACK AND FORTH FROM THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE TO THE COUNTY IN ITS ZONING AND ITS OWNERSHIP AND ZONING AND LAND USE.

CATS PAW, BY THE WAY, WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY IN THE EARLY 2000S. THE EXISTING ZONING IN THE AREA, RIGHT NOW THESE ARE RMH WHICH ACTUALLY DOES NOT ALLOW FOR A MOBILE HOME PARK. THAT'S FOR RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME SUBDIVISION. BUT THESE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR SO LONG THAT THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN.

THE MARINA, THE EXISTING MARINA THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S TO BECOME A PART OF THIS IS ALREADY ZONED CHT.

AND JUST GENERAL OVERALL ZONING, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S QUITE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL GENERAL. YOU CAN'T QUITE SEE THE THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY ZONING. AND I JUST DID THIS ONE, TOO, FOR THE 1.62 ACRES TO SHOW YOU THE ADDITION, SO IT SHOWS THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT AND YOUR SITE PLAN THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IS FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT. SO AGAIN, THAT SECTION ALLOWS FOR THE MARINA USE AND IT'S BEEN USED FOR YEARS AS A MARINA.

IT DOES HAVE A DOCK AND OUT ON THE SAN SEBASTIAN RIVER.

AND THEN THIS SITE WILL JUST ADD TO IT FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

AND FREEDOM BOAT CLUB ITSELF IS A CLUB THAT IS A MEMBERSHIP CLUB FOR THE USE OF BODES BOATS, AND AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THAT OPERATES, BASICALLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO OWN A BOAT BUT YOU GET TO USE A BOAT WHENEVER YOU WANT TO.

I THINK IT SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD. ACCESS TO THE SITE IS FROM NICKS BOATYARD ROAD THROUGH AN EASEMENT.

ACCESS TO THE SAN SEBASTIAN RIVER IS BY BOAT, OBVIOUSLY, OR ACROSS THIS. THE ADJACENT IS THE CATS PAW, WHICH I WAS TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS DIRECTLY OVER IN HERE,

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THERE IS A BOAT DROP RIGHT NOW BUT THEY'RE HAVING TO REDO THAT.

IT WAS DONE A LONG TIME AGO. AND SO -- AND THEN THERE'S ALSO PLANNED DOCK FOR WET STORAGE, BUT THAT WET STORAGE IS ONLY FOR THEIR BOATS, SO IF YOU CALLED IN THE MORNING, YOU AND 30 OF YOUR FRIENDS THAT ARE MEMBERS HERE, THEY HAVE YOUR BOATS OUT READY ON THOSE DOCKS BY THE TIME YOU GET THERE, SO THOSE ARE NOT DOCKS FOR PEOPLE TO USE EXCEPT FOR THAT.

THEY WILL HAVE A BUSINESS OFFIC OFFICE.

IT WOULD BE IN THAT AREA. THESE ARE FOR THE MARINA OFFICE AND RETAIL AND DOCK OFFICE TYPE THING.

THE DARKER AREA THAT YOU KIND OF SEE IS THE PARNG THAT WOULD BE PARKING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BASED ON THE CODE, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. PROBABLY LIGHT ON THIS ONE BUT PROBABLY ONE IN YOUR BOOK THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PARKING THAT'S GOING TO BE UNPAVED OR JUST STABILIZED PARKING THAT THEY CAN WORK WITH SOME OF THE TREES, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF THING.

AGAIN, THEY HAVE PEOPLE COMING AND THREE PEOPLE BRING THEIR CARS TO COME GO ON YOU THE ON THE BOAT FOR THE DAY.

THEY'RE NOT A TYPICAL. THIS IS THE COMING DOWN BOATYARD TO THE LEFT SIDE WOULD BE HOPE DEPOT AND THEN YOU CAN SEE FISH BITES. THIS IS THE EXISTING ENTRANCE RIGHT NOW TO WHERE YOU COME INTO THE MOBILE HOME PARK.

AND IF YOU CONTINUED DOWN HERE, YOU WOULD GET TO CATS PAW MARINA. THAT'S JUST KIND OF SHOWING YOU THAT EASEMENT. AND KIND OF COMING FROM THE OTHER WAY LOOKING OUT. THIS IS ACTUALLY IS SITE AND IT INCLUDES BOTH THE MARINA AND THE JUDAS PROPERTY AS WELL.

THEY DID GET A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR SOME OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE ON THAT, THE MOBILE HOMES PRETTY DECREPIT AND OTHER THINGS, SO THIS IS WHAT THE SITE LOOKS LIKE.

JUST A LITTLE BIT LOOKING OUT TOWARDS THE THING.

THAT GOES DOWN TO ACTUALLY A BOAT RAMP THAT HAD BEEN USED FOR MANY YEARS. I WANT TO MENTION THE TREES.

THAT'S THAT NORTHWEST CORNER, AND YOU CAN REALLY SEE SO THAT THEY CAN NESSEL THE THINGS IN. IF YOU EVER BEEN TO WHAT USED TO BE CREEKSIDE, YOU KNOW HOW THEY KIND OF DO THE SAME THING.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE EXISTING MARINA BUILDINGS.

AGAIN, THIS IS IN PART OF THE SITE THAT'S BEING REZONED.

I THOUGHT I WOULD GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

YOU CAN SEE CATS PAW NEXT DOOR. SO AS FOR A REQUEST TO REZONE TO COMMERCIAL TOURIST, IT'S IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE EXPANSION OF THAT MARINA ON THE WEST. IT'S THE SAME OWNERSHIP.

AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU SAW. CHT DOES ALLOW FOR MARINAS, AS THEY ARE THINGS LIKE RESTAURANTS AND RV, CAMP GROUNDS AND HOTELS AND MOTELS AND THINGS THAT DO RELATE TO THAT, BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY PLAN TO USE FOR THAT. THE ADJACENT LAND USES SURROUNDING IT IS VERY SIMILAR. EVERYTHING DOWN IN THAT AREA IS BEING USED FOR VERY SIMILAR TYPE ACTIVITIES RELATED TO MARINE USE. AND THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE BUFFERS AND SCREENING ALONG THAT WHERE I SHOWED YOU THE BOAT PRAHM WHERE THE MOBILE HOME PARK WILL REMAIN FOR A WHILE. HE'S NOT SURE WHAT HE WANTS TO DO WITH HIS PIECE. SO IT IS DEEMED COMPATIBLE.

AGAIN, IT'S TO COMBINE IT WITH THE OTHER.

AND WE FEEL LIKE IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY UNREASONABLE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING AREA, THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS PRETTY LOW WITH THESE, WON'T CAUSE A PUBLIC NUISANCE, AND THE PROPOSED USES ARE -- GOT THAT WRONG.

THIS IS CHT CATEGORY. YOU CAN TELL I TAKE IT FROM OTHER THINGS. SO IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE CAMP PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING -- WEAR ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR REZONING. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY HAVE I QUESTIONS OF THE

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SPEAKER CARDS? >> MS. PERKINS: WE DO NOT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING 2021-31 FREEDOM BOAT CLUB, THE REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 1.62 ACRES OF LAND FOR RESIDENTIAL, HOABL HOME TO COMMERCIAL, HIGHWAY AND TOURIST SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE EAST END OF BOATYARD ROAD BASED UPON

FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT. >> SPEAKER:

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE'VE GOT A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS. SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.

[7. PUD 2021-09 Bacon Storage (Brinkoff Rd). Request to rezone approximately 4.9 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow for up to 16,000 square feet of neighborhood commercial uses and a RV, boat, and mini storage facility.]

>> MR. MATOVINA: ITEM NUMBER OF 7 MS. FLEELT.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE TO DECLARE ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 7? ALL RIGHT YOUR MIC IS NOT ON.

>> SPEAKER: NOW? OKAY.

JANIS FLEET WITH FLEET AND ASSOCIATES.

JACKSONVILLE. MR. BACON IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND HE IS HERE. I AM THE AGENT.

AND OUR TEAM INCLUDES IME CIVIL ENGINEERING AND SURVEYING.

SO JUST TO GET YOU FAMILIAR, THE STAR IN THE MIDDLE IS THE BACON STORAGE LOCATION. SURROUNDING PROPERTY, IT'S BETWEEN BRINKOFF ROAD BETWEEN STATE ROAD 207 AND WILDWOOD DRIVE. THIS IS' PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE GET TO THE ZONING THAT'S KIND OF SURROUNDED BY THE PUD PRIMARILY. AND MR. BACON HAS A EXISTING STORAGE FACILITY THAT HE OPENED IN JULY OF 2020 AT BRINKOFF ROAD AND WILDWOOD AND IT IS 100% FILLED WITH -- AND HAS A WAITING LIST. SO THAT'S AFTER HE FILLED, HE FILLED HIS STORAGE SO QUICKLY, HE STARTED LOOKING FOR PROPERTY IN THE AREA BECAUSE THERE WAS SUCH A DEMAND.

AND THE AREA THAT'S THE TREATY PARK IS BELOW THE PROPERTY AFTER SOME SUBDIVISIONS. THERE'S THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S THE TREE PARK. THERE'S HIS EXISTING FACILITY.

HE OPENED IN JULY. AND HE'S IN BETWEEN.

AND BRINKOFF ROAD IS A MAJOR COLLECTOR IN THIS AREA CONNECTING THE TWO ROADWAS. THE PARCEL IS ABOUT 4.9 ACRES.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THRFERS A LOT OF PUDS.

THE MAJOR PUDS AROUND IT OF THE TREATY GROUNDS PUD THAT BASICALLY ENCOMPASSES, EXCEPT FOR THE TWO, TWO PIECES OF OR WHICH CONSISTS MINE IS BEING DEVELOPED WHICH IS HIS PARCEL, SO EVERYTHING AROUND IT IS PARTICIPANT AFTER EXISTING PUD.

HE'S ASKING FOR 3.5 ACRES OF RV AND BOAT STORAGE AND 16,000 SQUARE FEET OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESSES.

IT'S EXISTING OR, AS I SAID, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR A PUD WHICH IS A CONSISTENT ZONING WHICH IS SURROUNDED THE AREA.

THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL C WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR USES, COMMERCIAL, THIS TYPE OF USE TO PROVIDE SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, SO INSTEAD OF HAVING TO HAVE A ZONING OF A LANE USE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE COMMERCIAL UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF RESIDENTIAL, IT ALLOWS FOR COMMERCIAL SERVICES.

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THERE'S ONE NOW REMAINS. WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT ONE TO REMAIN WHILE HE GOES THROUGH PHASE 1 OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

THEN EVENTUALLY THIS AREA WILL BE DEVELOPED FOR A NEIGHBORLY COMMERCIAL CENTER. LIMITED WITH NEIGHBOROOD COMMERCIAL USES WITH A NEW DRIVE WAY ENTRANCE THAT WOULD BE AS PART OF PHASE 2 THAT WOULD MATCH THE ONE TO THE NORTH OF BRINKHOFF ROAD. PHASE 1 WOULD BE TOWARD THE RA OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE THE RV AND BOAT STORAGE.

HE'S ASKING FOR TWO COVERED RV BOAT STORAGE AREAS, AND THEN SOME NON-CLIMATIZED STORAGE IN MIDDLE, OPEN SPACE IN BETWEEN.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE FIVE NINE CLIMATIZED BUILDINGS.

THERE'S TWO RETENTION PONDS FOR THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED AND MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.

THE BUFFERS AROUND THE PROPERTY ARE PROPOSED.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS ON THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS ONLY A 10-FOOT BUFFER, BUT IT WOULD BE 20-FOOT ELSEWHERE. GOING BACK, THE PROPERTY NEXT TF THIS PARCEL HERE, THAT IS PART OF OF THE TREE GROUNDS PUD, SINCE HE STARTED THIS PROCESS MR. BACON HAS PURCHASED IT SO HE WOULD OWN BOTH SIDES, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE ASKING THE WAIVER.

HE WOULD OWN BOTH SIDES OF THAT PROPERTY.

WE'RE ASKING FOR THE WAIVER OF BUFFER AT THAT POINT.

AND WE WOULD COMPLY WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.

THIS WOULD BE DEVELOPED, AS I SAID, IN A TWO-PHASED DEVELOPMENT. THE FIRST PHASE WOULD BE THE RV AND BOAT STORAGE, AND THE FIVE TO NINE CLIMATIZED BIELDZ WITH THE EXISTING MOBILE HOME TO REMAIN.

PHASE 2 WOULD BE 16,000 OF COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESSES. IN OUR QUINN DESCRIPTION THE SPECIFIC TYPES OF USES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED ONLY WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THIS PUD ARE OUTLINED.

WE WOULD MEET ALL THE ACCESS REQUIREMENTS ST. JOHNS COUNTY REQUIREMENT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY I THINK SINCE JUNE, COUNTY STAFF TO ADDRESS ALL THEIR COMMENTS TO THIS POINT, AND EVERYTHING THROUGH THE PLANNING STAGES AND OBVIOUSLY AS WE MOVE INTO DEVELOPMENT, WE WILL ADDRESS THE MORE OTHER COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENTS.

AS I SAID, THERE WILL BE TWO ACCESS POINTS THAT WOULD BE THE EXISTING ONE TO REMAIN UNTIL WE DEVELOP PHASE 2 WITH A NEW ACCESS FOR THE RV AND BOAT STORAGE AND NON-CLIMATIZED BUILDING WOULD MEET ALL THE COUNTY REQUIREMENTS.

THERE ARE NO WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY THIS.

THIS IS KIND OF AMAZING THAT SOMEWHERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THERE'S A 5-ACRE PARCEL WITH NO WETLAND, BUT THERE ARE NOT.

AS I MENTIONED, THE BUFFERS AROUND THE PROPERTY, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WILL BE PROVIDED ON THE SITE.

AND REALLY FEEL IT'S PROVIDING NEEDED SERVICES FOR THIS AREA.

I MEAN, THE DEMAND -- YOU HAVE -- IT'S A CATCH-22.

ALL THOSE DEVELOPMENTS AROUND US HAVE HOAS THAT REQUIRE AND INTO IN THE PUD THAT YOU CANNOT DO ANY RV OR BOAT STORAGE AND PEOPLE RUN OUT OF STORAGE, TOO, IN THEIR DPRAWDGES, ET CETERA, AND SO THERE'S A REAL DEMAND FOR THESE USES, AND I THINK MR. BACON WAS KIND OF A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED AFTER HE BUILT HIS FIRST ONE HOW QUICKLY HE WOULD BE FLEETIONED, AND THAT'S QUL HE SAW THE NEED FOR MORE. FLEESED.

AND. YOU KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S NICE, WHICH IS ONE THING YOU WANT TO DO, AND THEN THE AREA IS VERY NICE, BUT TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH IT, YOU NEED TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE HERE.

FROM THE STREET, FROM BRINKHOFF ROAD, YOU WOULDN'T SEE ANY OF THE GOATS OR RV STORAGE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE TOWARDS THE BACK. YOU'LL HAVE YOUR ENTRANCE AND THEN EVENTUALLY YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL IN THE FRONT MEETING ALL YOUR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS OF THE COUNTY SO THAT YOU WOULD BASICALLY SEE A NICE COMMERCIAL CENTER AND THE BOATS AND RVS WOULD BE IN THE REAR.

THE PUD IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXPENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES. AS MENTIONED, IT'S PROMOTING THE PROVISION OF DIVERSE LIVING OPPORTUNITIES AND THE CREATION OF SOUND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS AN ECONOMIC BASE FOR THE COUNTY. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL C THAT ALLOWS A PUD

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AND IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE PUD AS REQUIRED. AND WE REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING & ZONING AGENCY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS

REZONING APPLICATION. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

I ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST HAS GOT A PUD ZONING. WHAT DOES THAT PUD ALLOW? AND WHAT IS THE APPLICANT'S INTENT WITH REGARD TO THAT

PROPERTY? >> SPEAKER: RIGHT NOW -- IS THAT THE PART OF TREATY GRANT PUD ALLOWS MULTI-FAMILY.

HE LITERALLY JUST CLOSED ON IT A MONTH ORE SO AGO SO HE HAS NO

INTENT. >> MR. MATOVINA: YOU SAID

MULTI-FAMILY? >> SPEAKER: THAT I THINK IS PART OF THE PUD THAT IS ALLOWED IN THAT AREA.

LET ME GO BACK TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ON THE TO T THAT HE PURCHASED.

>> SPEAKER: YES. HE HAS -- YES.

IT'S ALLOWED FOR MULTI-FAMILY BUT HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY INTENT RIGHT NOW. HE JUST LITERALLY PURCHASED IT.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF HE WANTS TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT, HE WOULD HAVE TO COME IN WITH A MODIFICATION TO THAT PUD AT THAT

POINT IN TIME. >> MR. MATOVINA: WHERE IS HIS

EXISTING FACILITY? >> SPEAKER: IT IS -- WHERE YOU SEE THE PUD IS OVER THERE, THAT'S WHERE HE IS.

[INAUDIBLE] THERE WAS I THINK A MAJOR MOD THAT CAME IN FOR THIS SITE WITH THE PREVIOUS OWNER, BUTO THEY DON'T OWN IT. H. ANYMORE.

ANYMORE BUT DIFFERENT HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY PLANS FOR THAT PROPERTY. I'M NOT SAYING WHAT HE MIGHT DO.

BUT THE CURRENT MAJOR MOD I GUESS WAS WITHDRAWN.

I DON'T KNOW, CROWN COUNTY S. BUT IT'S UNDER A DIFFERENT OWNER AND HE IS NOT PART OF THAT MARCHLTS THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, LET'S MOVE TO THE SPEAKER CARDS.

>> MS. PERKINS: PARIS JONES. >> MR. MATOVINA: STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, SIR.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS PARIS JONES AND I LIVE AT 74 SILVER FERN DRIVE WHICH IS IN ORCHARD PARK WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM HIS PRESENT STORAGE FACILITY.

I CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT FROM MY BEDROOM.

I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THAT MR. BACON I THINK HAS RUN A GOOD BUSINESS WHERE HE IS.

I APPRECIATE THAT HE'S ALREADY FENCED THE PROPERTY THAT HE'S LOOKING AT DEVELOPING. AND THE FENCE LOOKS REALLY NICE.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S EVIDENT WHEN YOU GO OUT AND SEE THE PRESENT FACILITY, IT LOOKS LIKE A STORAGE FACILITY AND IT'S SOMEWHAT UNSIGHTLY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S BY INTENT.

IT'S JUST A PART OF THE BUSINESS.

AND THE RESULT IS THAT IT ENDS UP REDUCING THE VALUES OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE SOLD AROUND THERE.

SO I THINK THAT WHAT HE'S LOOKING AT DOING HERE WILL ENCOURAGE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO COME IN THE COMMUNITY THAT AREN'T ACTUALLY RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND THAT IN ITSELF RAISES CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED EARLIER ABOUT THE PEOPLE DEALING WITH THE BUSINESS ON A1A.

THE ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE THAT HISTORICALLY THIS HAS BEEN AN OPEN RURAL AREA, WHICH IT WAS UNTIL A FEW YEARS AGO AND NOT YOUR SPECIFIC INFINITE WISDOM BUT IN THE INFINITE WISDOM OF THE ZONING BOARD PERKED THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA, AND SO NOW IT IS LARGELY A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY WITH A PARK IN ITS MIDST. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD END UP CHANGING THAT.

I UNDERSTAND AND I APPRECIATE THAT HE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING HE THINKS WOULD BE A SERVICE TO THE TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT I DON'T HEAR ANYBODY IN ORCHARD PARK THINKING WE NEED MORE STORAGE FACILITIES IN OUR AREA. 207 IS BEING DEVELOPED AS WE

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SO THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING THIS KIND OF FACILITY PUT IN PLACE. AND WITH THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS ALONG THE ROAD, IT WILL TRANSFORM THE COMMUNITY, FROM A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY TO A COMMERCIAL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MS. PERKINS: WILLIAM GOEBEL.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M WILLIAM GOEBEL.

I LIVE AT 92 QUARTS PLACE IN THE TREATY OAKS DEVELOPMENT, ST. AUGUSTINE. A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS -- A NUMBER OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE VOICED OPPOSITION TO THE REZONING. ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WAS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO PRESENT THIS AND HE HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY AND ASKED ME TO STEP IN. SO I'M USING HIS SLIDE DECK, AND I'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE.

SO THE PROPOSAL FOR 16,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL COMMERCIAL AND WITH THE STORAGE BEHIND IT, I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS, BUT I THINK THE MAIN POINT IS THAT, CONTRARY TO THE PRESENTATION I HEARD, I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT AS BENEFITING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW.

WITH TREATY OAKS AND THE SURROUNDING AND THE ENCLAVE, THERE ARE 45 HOMES, THE TOWNHOMES ARE APPROXIMATELY 100 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE. THIS REALLY ISN'T NEEDED FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE IS A LARGE DEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY GOING ON WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A PUBLIC IN RIGHT OFF OF 207. PUBLIC IN RIGHT OFF OF 207.

THERE WILL BE MORE THAN SUFFICIENT RETAIL SPACE THERE TO SERVE THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE'RE REALLY NOT SEEING THE BENEFIT, AND IT'S MORE LIKELY TO ATTRACT, AS THE THEY ARE GENTLEMAN SAID, MORE LIKELY TO ATTRACT MORE TRAFFIC FROM OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBOR RATHER THAN SERVING IT.

THE POSSIBILITY THAT THEY ARE CONSIDERING REDUCTION IN VALUE OF THE EXISTING HOMES, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.

THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL TRAFFI TRAFFIC.

THERE'S ALREADY AN ISSUE WITH THE INTERSECTION OF BRINKHOFF AND 207 THAT'S BECOMING MORE DIFFICULT.

WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LIGHT PLAN THERE BUT IT MAY NOT EVEN BE IN PLACE FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.

SO UNDERSTANDING THAT -- MR. N HAS AN INVESTMENT IN THE PROPERTY, TO SAY THAT HE JUST BOUGHT THE 5 ACRES ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY AND HAS NO PLANS FOR THAT, GIVEN THIS, I FIND THAT A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS. BUT TO CONCLUDE, THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL DOES NOT ADD VALUE AND IT IS NOT BENEFICIAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE PLENTY OF COMMERCIAL SERVICES EXISTING AND BEING PLANNED RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, AND WE BELIEVE THAT RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER USE OF THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MS. PERKINS: RON HOWARD. [INAUDIBLE]

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>> MR. MATOVINA: NAME AND ADDRESS FORTH RECORD, SIR,

PLEASE. >> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS RON HOWARD. I LIVE AT 11 OVAL WAY IN TREATY OAKS. AND I'M A FORMER U.S. ARMY AGENT SECONDARY BORNE PATHFINDER. ALSO A RIDER CPA.

I SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS APPLICATION FOR THE PUD 202109 BACON STORAGE BRING HAUF ROAD. I'VE ALSO PROVIDED A LETTER TO THE BOARD FOR RECORD, OF OUR FINDING AND MY REPORT.

THIS CHANGE HERE PROPOSES TO CHANGE THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL 5-ACRE PARCEL TO COMMERIAL USE. THEY WERE INCLUDING 16,000 SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL USE AND 3-1/2 ACRES OF THE RV BOAT STORAGE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER APPLICATION THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD AS WELL.

MR. BACON, THE APPLICANT ON THIS REQUEST, AS WAS STATED PREVIOUSLY, ALREADY OWNS A BOAT AND RV STORAGE ON WILDWOOD AVENUE AT THE INTERSECTION WITH BRINKHOFF ROAD.

THIS IS ABOUT 1500 FEET FROM THIS SUBJECT SITE.

THIS

>>> >>>

>> CHANGING THIS PROPERTY TO THE COMMERCIAL HUES, AS IS REQUESTED, WOULD BE A SEVERE JUXTAPOSITION OF ALMOST 600 FAMILIES WITH THE ENCLAVE IN ORCHARD PARK TOWNHOMES NOT HAVING A VOICE HERE AS THEY ARE JUST BEING SOLD AND BEGINNING TO BE OCCUPIED. WITH THESE NEW FAMILIES THERE ARE MORE CITIZENS WALKING ALONG THE SIDEWALKS, EXERCISING, AND WALKING TO THE TREATY OAKS PARK WHICH IS WITHIN EASY WALKING DISTANCE FOR ENJOYMENT OF THAT FACILITY, WHICH HAS BEEN GRACIOUSLY PROVIDED BY OUR COUNTY LEADERS FOR THIS INTENDED PURPOSE. THE COMMERCIAL ZONING OF THIS 5-ACRE TRACT OR CHANGING THE USE OF THIS ACREAGE IS VERY INCONSISTENT. I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

PLEASE NOTE, AGAIN, THAT MR. BACON HAS ALREADY STARTED STORING TRAILERS, LIFT TRUCKS AND OTHER COMMERCIAL TYPE VEHICLES ON HIS PROPERTY, AND HE'S JUST RECENTLY ADDED ELECTRICAL UTILITIES TO THAT PROPERTY WITHIN THE PAST 30 DAYS. YOU NOW HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE ALL THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENCES IN THAT AREA AND THAT USE OF THAT AS A RESIDENCE ONLY IS CONSISTENT AND SAVING LIVES ON BRINKHOFF ROAD. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. FENCHTS DONNA CURTIN.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SIR, PLEASE GIVE THAT TO SHERI.

>> SPEAKER: I'M VERY NERVOUS. I LIVE AT ORCHARD PARK.

MY NAME IS DONNA CURTIN I LIVE AT 90 SILVER FERN DRIVE.

I'M A NEW RESIDENT. I JUST MOVED IN IN MAY, AND WUNT REASONS I MOVED IS BECAUSE OF BEAUTIFULNESS OF IT, THE QUIET AND THE CAMARADERIE OF THE COMMUNITY.

WE, LIKE MR. PARRISH STATED WE ALL GET ALONG VERY WELL WP WE TALK, AND I HAVE ALL THE SIXTIES HERE OF WHAT I COULD GUEST MY COMMUNITY WHO COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY.

THEY ALL WANTED TO BE HERE BUT THEY'RE WORKING.

SO I GOT THEIR SIGNATURES. WE ALL AGREE WE DO NOT WANT THIS STORAGE UNIT ON OUR ROAD. I WALK MY DOG DOWN THAT STREET.

A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WALK THEIR DOG.

IT IS IT IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL AREA, TREES, NATURE, LOW IMPACT FOR A WHILE WITH THE TRAFFIC BUT NOW THE TRAFFIC IS STARTING TO

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I HAD TO LEAVE THERE BECAUSE I COULD NOT STAND BEING IN ALL THAT NOISE, TOO MUCH NOISE, TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, TOO MANY TRUCKS, JUST TOO MUCH. SO I SOLD MY HOUSE UP THERE AND I MOVED DOWN HERE TO A QUIETER AREA.

I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

I WANT TO BE IN A NICE QUIET COMMUNITY, AND THIS IS WHAT THIS IS RIGHT NOW. SO IF YOU LET THIS GO THROUGH, IT WILL NOT BE THAT ANYMORE. AND NOT TO MENTION THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BOUGHT THEIR TOWNHOMES AND HOUSES AT THE ENCLAVE THAT DON'T EVEN KNOW THIS IS GOING ON, AND THEIR BACKYARD LOOKS OVER A TRAILER FULL, FILLED LOT BACK THERE OR THE PEOPLE ON THE ENCLAVE WHERE IT FACES THE FRONT OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THOSE ARE $400,000 HOUSES THEY'RE SELLING THERE. THEY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON. SO I REALLY THINK THAT YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS AND NOT LET THEM DO THIS TO US, REALLY, AND I'LL PUT THIS OVER HERE SO YOU CAN SEE THE SIGNATURES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: FACE UP. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. IF YOU COULD GIVE THAT TO SHERI REMEMBER PLEASE. NEXT SPEAKER.

>> MS. PERKINS: JOSEPH -- I'M SORRY.

I CANNOT READ YOUR LAST NAME. [INAUDIBLE]

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS JOSEPH WIPEN I LIVE A 185 SILVER FERN DRIVE, ST. AUGUSTINE FLORIDA 32086.

I HAVE LIVED AT ON 185 SILVER FERN DRIVE FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR NOW, AND I'LL BE BRIEF. I HAVE WALKED BY THERE.

WE WALK OUR DOGS DOWN IN THAT AREA.

THIS IS IN THE HEART OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

EXPENSIVE HOMES. WE MOVED THERE BECAUSE IT WAS OUT OF THE WAY. NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT MR. BACON HAS PLENTY OF LAND ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING FACILITY THAT HE NOW HAS OFF OF WILDWOOD. I WOULD URGE HIM TO EXPAND UPON THAT FACILITY RATHER THAN PLUNK THIS THING IN THE HEART OF RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL -- I, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

IT'S ALREADY A FENCE UP THERE. THE PLACE IS ALREADY GETTING TO LOOK TO BE UNSIGHTLY. THERE'S PLENTY OF CHILDREN IN THAT AREA. THERE'S A PLAYGROUND RIGHT IN BEHIND WHERE THIS GENTLEMAN PLANS TO PUT THIS FACILITY.

AND THERE ARE LARGE TRUCKS, THESE MOTOR HOME BY DESIGN ARE VERY LARGE, TOWING VEHICLES ARE VERY LARGE, COMING IN AT ALL HOURS, GOING IN THERE. WE HEAR THEM ACROSS THE STREET GOING IN THERE AT ALL HOURS TO STORE THEIR FACILITY.

SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. I HOPE THAT YOU VOTE NO ON THIS.

LEAVE THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS RESIDENTIAL.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. AND MA'AM.

[LAUGHTER] >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

FENCHTS PHILLIP ABDENOR. SORRY IF I MESSED THAT UP

YOU. >>> SPHNCH YOU DID JUST FINE.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

MY NAME IS HILL PHILLIP. MY LIFE I WIFE AND I LIVE AT 280 MUSTARD FIELD COURT. WE ARE NEW HOMEOWNERS IN THE ORCHARD PARK TOWNHOME COMPLEX. OUR PROPERTY, ONE OF THE REASONS WE BOUGHT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE BEAUTY OF THE LOCATION.

IT IS SURROUNDED PRIMARILY BY BOOED AREA.

WE DO FACE DIRECTLY, OUR BACKYARD, TO THE BACON PROPERTY IN QUESTION HERE. THERE HAS BEEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON. THREES TREES ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN, BEING TRIMMED OUT. THE FENCE IS BEING PUT UP.

A LOFT ACTIVITY. A LOT OF NOISE, AS YOU WOULD EXPECT BUT WE WERE UNAWARE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT OR THIS POTENTIAL CHANGE WHEN WE PURCHASED A VERY EXPENSIVE TOWNHOME, EXPENSIVE FOR US.

AND WE MOVED IN AT THE END OF AUGUST, AND WE'VE ENJOYED OUR PLACE AND OUR QUIET THERE. WE ARE AWARE OF HIS EXISTING FACILITY AND WE SEE ABOVE THE FENCE LINES ALL THE RV UNITS AND BOATS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT ARE VERY VISIBLE ABOVE THOSE

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I DO UNDERSTAND THAT KB HOMES OWNS APPROXIMATELY 12 FEET WITHIN THEIR -- BEYOND OUR FENC FENCE.

BUT HOPEFULLY THOSE TREES WILL NOT BE TAKEN OUT.

THEY HAVE SOME GORGEOUS TREES THAT ARE I WOULD THINK OVER 200 YEARS OLD THAT ARE A BEAUTY TO SEE.

AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF WILDLIFE, A LOT OF BIRDS OF PREY THAT WILL COME THROUGH, HAWKS, EAGLES AND SUCH, AND WE ENJOY WATCHING THOSE AND WE ENJOY THE QUHIET.

THIS IS PRIMARILY, IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN DOWN BRINKHOFF, IT IS A VERY BEAUTIFULLY DEVELOPED ROAD, FAIRLY NEW, AND THE MAJORITY OF PROPERTIES AROUND THERE ARE BEING DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL.

WE WOULD LIKE TOO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THIS AGENCY TO RETAIN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING FOR THIS AREA, AND AGAIN PERHAPS MR. BACON WOULD CONSIDER USING THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES HE HAS AS HIS EXISTING SITE TO EXPAND THAT FACILITY VERSUS IMPACTING, AS WE'VE SEEN EARLIER, OVER 600 HOMES AND THE VALUES OF THOSE HOMES. AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: CHRISTINE.

SHE LEFT. THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS, SO NOW WE ARE BACK TO THE APPLICANT FOR REBUTTAL.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF POINTS OF ORDER JUST TO LET YOU KNOW. FIRST OFF, BRINKHOFF ROAD IS A MAJOR COLLECTOR. WE DID REVIEW PROPERTY VALUES OF THE DEVELOPMENT BEHIND MR. BACON'S CURRENT STORAGE THAT HE OPENED A YEAR AGO. SINCE HE OPENED IT, THE PROPERTY VALUES OF THE TOWNHOMES BEHIND HIM HAVE INCREASED IN VALUE, SO THERE WAS NO DECREASE IN VALUE WITH THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS GOING TO THE WAY THAT LETTER SITE PLAN E WAY THAT THE SITE PLAN IS, THE STORAGE -- WE WANT TO MAINTAIN BUFFERS ALONG BRINK OF HAUF ROAD SO THE STORAGE FACILITY IS TO THE REAR. CURRENT -- HIS CURRENT FACILITY BASICALLY, THE STORAGE IS RIGHT ON THE ROADWAY.

THIS WOULD NOT BE THE CASE HERE, WHICH IS WHY THE SITE IS DESIGNED THAT WAY. ALSO THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF BEAUTIFUL TREES ON THE PROPERTY, AND SO THE LAYOUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS TO MAINTAIN THOSE TREES AND WE DON'T HAVE THE TREE SURVEY ON THE SITE, BUT THE OPEN SPACE THAT'S MAINTAINED AND THE LOCATION OF BUILDINGS WAS BASICALLY PLACED ON MAINTAIN MAJOR OAKS THAT ARE ON THAT PROPERTY, SO THOSE WOULD REMAIN, WHICH WILL PROVIDE BUFFERING. OBVIOUSLY, ALL THE NOISE AND BUFFERING WILL BE LEFT. WHEN PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC, THE ALTERNATE USE OF THIS PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY ON THE RV/BOAT SOLDIER STORAGE AREA, IT'S LESS IMPACT THAN IF YOU DEFEND THE SPHWIEWR FOR HOUSING THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL, SO THERE'S THAT AT ANY RATEOFF THERE.

MR. BACON CANNOT EXPAND HIS CURRENT FACILITY BECAUSE BEHIND HIM IS ALL WETLAND, SO THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL EXPANSION OF HIS EXISTING PROPERTY. OTHERWISE HE WOULD HAVE EXPAND THAT AREA NOW. SO HE IS NOT THERE.

FROT IS OR NOW. WE KNOW, AND AS I THINK ONE OF THE SPEAKERS MENTIONED, THE AREA HAS CHANGED.

IT USED TO BE OR AT SOME POINT AND NOW IT'S BEING DEVELOPED.

FOR VARIOUS DEVELOPMENTS, AND THIS WOULD SERVE THE AREA.

IN ADDITION, THE NEW HOUSING NEEDS ADDITIONAL -- STORAGE FACILITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OFFICE COMMERCIAL THAT WE WOULD FEEL WOULD SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE SCREENING AND BUFFERING AND MEET ALL THE COUNTY AS LANDSCAPE CODES TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T -- NO LIGHTING OR ANY OTHER BUFFERING.

ALL BUFFERING WOULD MEET THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENT SO THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD NOT BE NEGATIVELY EQUIPMENT PACTD BY THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND WE JUST FEEL THAT IT -- IT'S A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. THE NOORBLED COMMERCIAL WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE, AS WE SAID. THIS FIRST PHASE WOULD BE THE RV/BOAT STORAGE, WHICH WE WOULD BE MAINTAINING WHAT'S IN THE FRONT ALONG BRING HAUF ROAD SO THEY WOULD NOT NOTICE ANY

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SO FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, IN FIVE OR SO YEARS, BASICALLY WHAT WOULD BE THE SAME ALONG BRINKHOFF ROAD UNTIL THE

COMMERCIAL IS DEVELOPED. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS BY AGENCY MEMBERS? I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

I FOUND -- FIND BRINKHOFF ROAD TO BE SOMEWHAT OF AN ENIGMA BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A FAIRLY MAJOR COLLECTOR ON WILDWOOD THAT COMES OUT ONTO 207 NOT TOO FAR FROM THERE.

WHAT IS THE HISTORY OF BRINKHOFF? DID THE DEVELOPER DO THAT? OR HOW DID THAT ROAD END UP THERE? [LAUGHTER]

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND THE AGENCY MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS FONG WENG, TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. BRINKHOFF ROAD WAS BASICALLY A DEVELOPER COMMITMENT TO CONNECT IT FROM WILDWOOD TO 207.

>> MR. MATOVINA: AND THAT WAS A TREAT OAKS PUD?

>> THAT'S CORRECT WEEK YES. >> MR. MATOVINA: THAT IS VERY HELPFUL, FONG. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. MCCORMICK.

>> DR. MCCORMICK: MY QUESTION IS ON PHASE 2 IS THERE SOME SPECIFIC PLAN FOR WHAT YOU'RE GOING -- WHAT THE OWNER IS GOING TO DO WITH PHASE 2? MR. BACON.

>> THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL? >> DR. MCCORMICK: YES.

>> . >> AND NOTE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. WE WERE TRYING TO CREATE THE MIXED USE AS IN THE PUD, TO TRY TO GET MORE THAN ONE USE, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE WERE LOOKING AT.

>> DR. MCCORMICK: THERE WILL BE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

>> SPEAKER: YES, MEETING THE LOWER END OF THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S IN THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION, THE LOWER END COMMERCIAL USES AND BUSINESS OFFICES.

IT COULD BE ALL OFFICES TO SERVE THE AREA.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED -- AT 16,000 YOU'RE NO TALKING ABOUT A MAJOR COMMERCIAL. IT COULD END UP BEING OFFICES, DOCTOR'S OFFICE, THINGS LIKE THAT COULD BE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, TO SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BECAUSE PROFESSIONAL OFFICES WOULD BE ALLOWED.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. CHRISTINE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I HAD STAFF UP HERE.

I HAVE STAFF UP HERE AGAIN. MICHAEL.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MIKE ROBERTSON, APPLICANT'S REP.

CAN YOU BRING THE IMAGERY BACK UP MS. AMANDA, THAT SHOWED THE SITE? I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST RELEVANT. SO THAT PARCEL THAT'S DIRECTLY TO THE TWES THAT YOU SAID MR. BACON HAS UNDER CONTRACT OR

HAS -- >> SPEAKER: HE'S PURCHASED IT.

>> HE'S PURCHASED. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN EXISTING APPLICATION THAT'S IN, THAT WAS IN SINCE JULY FOR THE COUNTY, AND IT'S A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO CHANGE THAT PARCEL TO THEES WITH 5 ACRES FROM MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU INDICATED IT WAS, TO ALLOW FOR RV/BOAT STORAGE FACILITY. IT'S RELEVANT TO THE CASE BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT. THE APPLICANT'S NAME WAS RYAN MCDONALD. THE LAST SUBMITTAL WE HAD WAS IN AUGUST. SO AGAIN, NO KNOWING WHAT'S HAPPENING, THIS COULD DIE IN THE WATER, WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN WITH IT BUT IT IS AN ACTIVE APPLICATION THAT SINCE AUGUST WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY RESUBMIT ALWAYS FROM ALINGS.

AND THAT JUST SO YOU KNOW. >> SPEAKER: AND THAT WAS BEFORE MR. BACON HAD PURCHASED IT.

THE OTHER OWNER HAD PUT IN THAT APPLICATION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION, AND THIS IS A BIT -- I'M SCRATCHING MY HEAD ON THIS ONE.

I'LL BE INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT YOU'LL HAVE TO SAY.

PETER, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> MS. PERKINS:

>> I WANT TO CLARIFY. SO THE ADJACENT PARCEL IS AN APPLICATION IN PROCESS. DOES IT CARRY FORWARD TO MR. BACON? IF IT TRANSACTED, HOW DOES THAT WORK? [INAUDIBLE]

>> MS. PERKINS: I'M TH. >> SPEAKER: IT CAN HAPPEN IN

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IF HE BECAME THE OWNER AND THEN POTENTIALLY THEY COULD MAKE A DEAL AND HE COULD TAKE THAT APPLICATION OVER OR THE APPLICATION COULD SIT AND EXPIRE BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY

WANT TO DO. >> SPEAKER: MY UNDERSTANDING THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, AND I HAVEN'T CHECKED IT IN A WHILE, IT WAS THE APPLICATION FEE -- THERE WAS NO APPLICATION FEE PAID FORECAST TIME I CHECKED, WHICH WAS BACK IN AUGUST OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE WATCHED WHERE IT WAS GOING.

>> I THINK IT HAS BEEN PAID. BUT IT'S NOT FINISHED.

IT'S NOT COMPLETE AND IT HASN'T GONE TO HEARING.

S. IT'S AN ACTIVE APPLICATION IN REVIEW AT THIS POINT.

>> BUT THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR THIS TO BECOME AN 10-ACRE RV

PARKING LOT. >> IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH

THIS PROCESS. >> OKAY.

>> SPEAKER: WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A PUD TO PUD FOR THAT

PROPERTY BECAUSE -- >> MR. MATOVINA: I HAVE TO TELL YOU ALL I'M AT A LOSS HERE. I CAN'T QUITE FIGURE THIS OUT.

IT LOOKS LIKE AN ALLOWABLE USE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I'M NOT SURE IT'S A COMPATIBLE USE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION?

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: I AGREE WITH YOU. I DON'T THINK IT'S A COMPATIBLE USE IN THIS PART OF BRINKHOFF ROAD.

I CAN SEE EXPANDING THE EXISTING RV PARK ON WILDWOOD AS THAT'S MORE OF A THROUGH FARE FAIRWAY BUT MY MOTION WOULD BE TO DENY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE DENIAL OF PUD 2020-01 BACON STORAGE BRICK HAUF ROAD TO ALLOW FOR UP TO 16 UNSQUARE FEET OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES AND A RV, BOAT AND MIN STORAGE FACILITY SPECIFICALLY ELECTED 1335 BRINKHOFF ROAD BASED UPON

TEN FINDINGS OF OF FACT SMNCHTS. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE HAVE FOR DENIAL BY MS. PERKINS. IS THERE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND FROM MR. PETER. I WAS HOPING WE MIGHT HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. MR. MILLER, WHAT'S TAKE ON THIS?

>> MR. MILLER: I SHARE THE CONCERNS.

THIS LOOKS LIKE A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

I HAVE CONCERNS, BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE MOTION IS FOR

DENIAL IS A VOTE TO DENY. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION TO ADD? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

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>> DR. MCCORMICK: I DID. I HAD NI MY FINGER DOWN.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO THAT MOTION IS DENIED, THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FOR THAT PARTICULAR I-ITEM.

[INAUDIBLE] >> MR. MATOVINA: THAT IS CORRECT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T GO TO THE BOARD. IT GOES TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

SO WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO ITEMS 8, 9 AND 10 WHICH WE'RE GOING TO HEAR TOGETHER, AND I GUESS THE FIRST THING I WILL ASK IS FOR EX PARTE COMMUNICATION FOR ITEMS 9 AND 10, YOU BELIEVE.

I'M SURE 10. >> MR. PIERRE: I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM MS. AVERY-SMITH THIS MORNING?

>> MR. MILLER: I HAD THREE PHONES CALLS WITH MS. ELLEN

AVERY-SMITH YESTERDAY. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYONE ELSE? I HAD A LENGTHYY PHONE CALL WITH MS. AVERY-SMITH.

A LOT DID NOT HAVE TO DO WITH HAD I'M BUT SOME OF IT DID HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE OUR LAST TRANSMITTAL.

>> DR. MCCORMICK: SHE HAD MY NUMBER BUT SHE DIDN'T CALL.

>> SPEAKER: I DID LEAVE YOU A VOICE MAIL MESSAGE.

>> DR. MCCORMICK: YOU DID? >> SPEAKER: YES, I DID.

I ALWAYS CALL ALL OF YOU 1K3 LEAVE YOU MESSAGES.

JUST BECAUSE YOU CHOOSE NOT TO RETURN MY CALL, I UNDERSTAND

>> MR. MATOVINA: IT'S NOT A VERY FAR OFFICE TO YOUR OFFICE TO WHERE HE LIVES. YOU COULD GO BY AND SEE HIM SPHNCH WELL, HE MOVED. I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE LIVES.

BUT I DO HAVE YOUR NEW PHONE NUMBER FINALLY.

>> METEOROLOGIST: I AM CLOSER NOW, ACTUALLY.

>> SPEAKER: I WON'T ASK. I'LL ASK YOU AFTERWARD.

I GUESS YOU DON'T WANT THAT TO BE ON THE RECORD.

ANYWAY, ENOUGH OF THE HUMOR. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL THIS AFTERNOON. WE'RE GOA TO TRY TO KEEP IT LIGHT AND BRIGHT SINCE IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY FOR ALL OF YOU.

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HERE. THE WE'RE GOING TO DO A COMBINED

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AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE'RE INCREASING THE REGIONAL ROADWAY CONTRIBUTION TO $108.7 MILLION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STATE ROAD 13 CONNECTOR ROAD AND SILVER LAKE DRIVE, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE COMPONENTS AS WELL.

AND ALL OF THOSE, ALL OF THESE DETAILS, BY THE WAY, ARE SET FORTH IN THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND THE PUD IN BLACK AND WHITE AND SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF ALL OF THIS IN JUST A MINUTE. SOY AGAIN YOU SEE THE BOUNDARIES OF EXISTING SILVERLEAF DRI HERE IN THIS GREEN COLOR HERE AND HERE AND ALSO OUT HERE. THAT'S THE EXISTING DRI BOUNDARY. AND THEN, OF COURSE, ADDING IN WOLF, TROUT CREEK SOUTH AND BOCAGE HERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS TODAY ON THESE ADD LANDS. THIS IS THE EXISTING MASTER DEVELOPMENT OR MASTER PLAN MAP AGE IT'S CALLED FOR THE DRI, AND YOU SEE ANYBODY WHO IS HERE FROM THE CASCADES COMMUNITY OR WORLD GOLF VILLAGE, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME CALLS FROM THEM.

NONE OF THIS PROPERTY IS AFFECTED.

IT'S GOING TO -- IT'S GOING TO REMAIN IN OPEN SPACE UPLAND AND OPEN SPACE WETLAND AND IT HAS A DIFFERENT CATEGORY, RURAL/SILVICULTURE AND SO THAT'S NOT BEING TOUCHED.

AND ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOWN CENTER OF SILVERLEAF, SO HERE'S THE OUTER BELTWAY. HERE'S 2209 THAT COMES THROUGH.

AND HERE'S SILVERLEAF PARKWAY. AND SO IN THERE THE THREE SCHOOLITES IN PURPLE, HERE'S THE SCHOOL SITE WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF

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AND THEN YOU SEE, OF COURSE, THE EXTENT OF THE CONTIGUOUS WETLANDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PRESERVED.

AND THEN ADDING IN, SO WE'RE ADDING IN HERE PARCELS 38 AND 39A AND THEN THIS LITTLE B DOWN HERE.

WE'RE ADDING IN PARCEL 40, 41A, 41P, AND 42, AND THOSE NUMBERS OF 40, TBRUN AND 42 ARE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE TEXT POLICY IN JUST A MINUTE THAT IS PART OF THE AND SO AGAIN YOU NOTE NONE OF THIS AREA IN HERE CHANGES AND ALSO IF ANYBODY'S HERE FROM LIKE THE AREA ALONG ST. JOHN GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB, THEY ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE NOTHING IS CHANGING, AND AGAIN NOTHING IN THIS AREA OF THE DRI OR PUD IS CHANGING. SO FOCUSING IN, WE'RE TALKING HERE ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

THIS PARCEL 38, 39A AND 39B WILL GO FROM AGRICULTURAL, SO THAT'S THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, PARCEL 40 WITH 41A AND B AND 42 IS RURAL/SILVICULTURE LAND USE RIGHT NOW, AND YOU SEE THE REST OF SILVERLEAF IS MIXED USE SCHOOL DISTRICT RESIDENTIAL C EVEN DOWN INTO HERE. SO THE LAND USE CHANGE AGAIN PARCEL 38 AND 39A GO TO RESIDENTIAL C LAND USE, LIKELY ABUTTING PROPERTIES IN SILVERLEAF.

THIS 39B GOES TO COMMERCIAL. THAT'S A 1 ACRE PARCEL THAT'S ON COUNTY ROAD 16A AND IT'S SURROUND BY OTHER OTHER RURAL COMMERCIAL USES. THIS PARCEL 40 GOES TO RESIDENTIAL C, AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE TEXT POLICY THAT IS RELATED TO THAT PARCEL 40 IN A MINUTE.

ALSO 41A AND B TO GO RESIDENTIAL A, AS DOES PARCEL 42, AND THAT HAS A SERIES OF TEXT POLICIES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH, TOO, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF -- WE'VE HAD THREE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. WE'VE MET AND HAD ON-SITE VISITS LIKE MR. WEAVER HAS GONE OUT AND TALKED TO THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA ABOUT DRAINAGE PROBLEMS THEY ARE EXPERIENCING AND ALL OF THAT, SO WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF INTERACTION WITH PEOPLE FROM ELWOOD, HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD, COL YEAR ROAD AND SO THESE TEXT POLICIES ARE DESIGNED TO, BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, TO INCREASE THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE PROJECT WITH THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. WHEN WE GO JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THIS IS NUMBER OF ACRES THERE ARE BEING CHANGED THE TO VARIOUS LAND USE CATEGORY, AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS RESIDENTIAL A, 970 ACRES IN A MINUTE, AS FAR AS THE DENSITY, AND THAT SCRECIAL A BEING ONE UNIT PER 5 ACRES ON AVERAGE. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE TEXT POLICIES, AND THESE ARE DISABILITY GOING TO BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF IMPACT ON THE -- I'M GOING TO DETAIL PERIMETER OF PARCEL 40. SO PARCEL 40, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK, THIS IS PARCEL 40. RIGHT HERE.

SOUTH OF 16A. AND SO PARCEL 40 AGAIN WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED UNTIL THE EARLIER OF THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY OPENING TO TRAFFIC OR JANUARY 1, 2030, WHICHEVER FIRST OCCURS, AND SO THERE'S MORE CLARIFICATION LANGUAGE IN THE TEXT POLICY DID NOT GETTING ANY PLATS OR CONSTRUCTION PLANS APPROVED FOR THAT PARCEL UNTIL THE THOSE DATES.

SO THIS IS A LONGER-TERM DEVELOPMENT OF PARCEL 40 FOR AT LEAST 2030 IF NOT LATER. SO LOTS ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT EDGES WITHIN PARCEL 40 SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF ONE-HALF ACRE. SO THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE IS THE 35 FEET AND THE INSIDE OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY OF PARCEL 40 AROUND ITS ENTIRE PRIM DER. SO ANY LOTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE PERIMETER DEVELOPMENT EDGE OF PARCEL 40 WILL BE A MINIMUM OF ONE-HALF ACRE. ADDING ONTO THAT, THE LOTS WITHIN THE PORTIONS OF PARCEL 40 THAT ARE ADJACENT TO LAND LOCATED ALONG HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD FROM PENNY BROOK LANE TO THE SOUTHERN END OF HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD, AND LOTS ADJACENT TO LAND LOCATED ALONG QUOLIER ROAD WHICH ARE ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE OF PARCEL 40 WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 100 FEET WIDE AND 200 FEET DEEP, AND A MINIMUM OF 1 HALF ACRE.

SO THAT'S AGAIN A RESULT IN THE NEGOTIATIONS THE WITH NEIGHBORS.

EACH OF THOSE LOTS ALSO WILL HAVE A DEED RESTRICTION PROHIBITING THE CLEARING OF VEGETATION WITHIN THE 15 FEET OF THE LOT ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE.

SO THAT CREATES A 50-FOOT VEGETATIVE BUFFER BETWEEN THE LOTT PROPERTY LINE AND ANY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN SILVERLEAF.

THEN GOING TO NUMBER 4, LAKES AND BERMS MAY BE WHROABTD THE

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ALSO PEOPLE WITHIN COLLIER LANDING ROAD DID NOT WANT THIS PROJECT TO INTERCONNECT REQUEST THEIR COMMUNITIES SO WE PUT THAT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT POLICY.

AND SO THIS IS -- THESE ARE GRAPHIC DPIKSZ OF WHAT ALL THIS LOOKS LIKE. SO THE TEXT POLICY IS IN WRITING. IT WILL BE ADOPTED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THIS SHOWS YOU WHAT THIS BUFFERING LOOKS LIKE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE GREEN LINE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY, THE ENTIRE PERIMETER, THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE. SO LOTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THAT 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 1 HALF ACRE. THAT'S ALL THE WAY AROUND.

THEN YOU SEE IN THIS AREA NEAR ELWOOD THIS 10-ACRE PARK.

YOU SEE THE AGAIN MINIMUM HALF ACRE LOTS TYPICAL AROUND THIS AREA HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD ALL AROUND THIS AREA.

AND THEN FROM THIS SECTION OF HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD WHERE YOU GET THE 50-FOOT BUFFER, THE 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE PLUS THE 50-FOOT DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN IN THIS AREA YOU SEE THAT AREA THAT'S 100 FEET BY 20M OF A HALF ACRE BECAUSE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THAT EDGE. THIS IS ON THE GRAPHIC LOOK.

HE EVER HERE'S HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD, THE 55-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE. IT EITHER HAS TO BE PRESERVED VEGETATION OR PLANTED VEGETATION, SO NOT CLEAR CUT, AND IF IT'S BARE NOW, IT NEEDS TO BE PLANTED PURSUANT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE COMP PLAN.

THIS IS THE 15-FOOT NO CLEAR ZONE WITHIN THE LOTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THAT DEVELOPMENT EDGE, AND THOSE LOTS HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 200 FEET DEEP AND ONE-HALF ACRE IN SIZE.

OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO THE NEXT PORTION OF THE SITE SPECIFIC TEXT POLICIES, AND THIS REALLY DEALS WITH THE EQUESTRIAN LOT, IF YOU WILL.

SO THE LOTS ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT EDGES -- OH, ONE MORE -- NO, ACTUALLY THIS DOES GO TO THE EQUESTRIAN LOTS.

SO THE DEVELOPMENT EDGES WITHIN THE PORTIONS OF SILVERLEAF ADJACENT TO THESE PARCEL ID NUMBERS WHICH ARE CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE CONS A DUNE FAMILY, AND MR. CONS DINE IS NOT HERE BUT HE HAS BEEN AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND HE WAS AT I THINK OUR TRANSMITTAL HEARINGS, THAT PROHIBITS THAT EARNING CLEARING OF REGIGETATION WITHIN THE 15 FEET SO HE WILL HAVE THE 50-FOOT NO CLEAR AREA ADJACENT TO HIS LAND AS WELL, AND THEN GOING INTO THE EQUESTRIAN LOTS, SO DEVELOPMENT OF SILVERLEAF PARCELS 41A, 41B, AND 42 WHICH HAVENOT 970 ACRES IN TOTAL WILL NOT EXCEED A TOTAL OF 195 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.

SO THAT'S ONE HOME PER 5 ACRES WHICH IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USE ALONG STATE ROAD 13, AND WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE GRAPHICALLY IN A MINUTE.

WITH RESPECT TO PARCEL 41B WHICH IS ON THE RIVERSIDE OF STATE ROAD 13AL FLL BE NO MORE THAN 34 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS IN THAT AREA AND THE LOTS HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 3 ACRES IN SIZE.

WITH RESPECT TO PARCEL 41A THAT'S NOT NON-RIVER SIDE OF STATE ROAD 13 OR ADJACENT TO COLLIER ROAD OR ADJACENT TO LOTS THAT FRONT ON STATE ROAD 13, THOSE LOTS HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 3 ACRES AND THE REMAINDER OF THE LOTS WITHIN PARCEL 41A HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 1 ACRE. AND AGAIN WE'LL SHOW YOU THIS GRAPHICALLY IN A MINUTE. PARCEL 42, WHICH IS JUST EAST -- OR WEST, I'M SORRY, OF PARCEL 42, LOTS WITHIN THAT PARCEL THAT ARE ADJACENT TO STATE ROAD 13 OR ARE ADJACENT TO LOTS THAT FRONT ON STATE ROAD 13 HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 3 ACRES AND THE REMAINDER OF LOTS WITHIN PARCEL 42 HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 1 ACRE. SO NO LOTS ARE GOING TO BE SMALLER THAN 1 ACRE IN SIZE WITH MOST BEING 3 ACRES OR LARGER WITHIN THE EQUESTRIAN LOTS. AND THEN WITHIN THE EQUESTRIAN LOT AREAS ALSO NON-RESIDENTIAL USES WILL BE PERMITTED WITHIN THOSE LOTS EXCEPT FOR EQUESTRIAN AND FARMING USES THAT ARE ANCILLARY TO THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND AGRICULTURAL AND SILVERRAL USES. SO HERE'S WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AGAIN HERE'S MR. CONSADINYE OR THE FAMILIES PROPERTY HERE YOU.

SEE AGAIN THE 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE AND THEN THE 1.

SO THAT IS AROUND THEIR PROPERTY.

AND THEN YOU SEE ALSO THE LAKES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED HERE WITHIN THOSE BUFFERS. AGAIN, TO NOT HAVE LOTS ADJACENT

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AND THEN THE LOTS THAT ARE THE LIGHTER GREEN COLOR, IF YOU WILL, WILL BE MINIMUM 1 HALF ACRE.

YOU ALSO SEE THE 75-FOOT SCENIC EDGE ALONG THE BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY SO THAT'S BEING PRESERVED AS RIDER BUY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THAT SCENIC HIGHWAY, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS ROADWAY IN JUST A MINUTE.

SO THIS IS GOING INTO THE DAIMENT OF THE PUD, DETAIL OF THE PUD, THE OVERALL CONCEPT PLAN, AND THEN YOU SEE THE ADDED LANDS. THIS SHOWS YOU THE VARIOUS LAND USED LIKE RESIDENTIAL, VERY LOW DENSITY DOWN HERE, AND RESIDENTIAL LOW HERE, AND THEN YOU ALSO SEE THE STRIEMG WHICH IS THE UD FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY, EITHER RESIDENTIAL A, B, C, MIXED USE, DISTRICT, THAT KIND OF A THING, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE MASTER MAP, IF YOU WILL, SHOWING YOU THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING LOWNSZ FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

AND THEN THIS IS THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AGAIN, YOU SEE THESE PARCELS LOT OUT IN THE MAIN PART OF SILVERLEAF. THIS PROPERTY AGAIN, PARCEL 40, WON'T BE DEVELOPED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS SO IT HAS NOT BEEN PLANNED YET, AND YOU SHOULD SEE THE INITIAL EQUESTRIAN LOTS HERE BUT NOTHING, AGAIN, IN THE REMAINDER OF THE EQUESTRIAN LOTS BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN PLANNED YET FOR PUD PURPOSES.

WITH RESPECT TO THE REGION ROADWAY NETWORK, AGAIN WE'RE BOWING GACK TO THE DRI BECAUSE THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER TALKS ABOUT MITIGATION, IT TALKS ABOUT PROTECTION OF WETLANDS, IT TALKS ABOUT PROTECTION OF SPECIES, IT TALKS ABOUT WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS, IT TALKS ABOUT TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION, IT TALKS ABOUT SCHOOL MITIGATION, AND A NUMBER OF OTHER TOPICS.

AND S. THE TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION SECTION IN THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ORDER SAYS THAT THIS DEVELOPER HAD TO BUILD COUNTY ROAD 2209 DOWN THROUGH SILVERLEAF AND THEN BUILD SILVERLEAF DRIVE RIGHT HERE. THAT COST $78.5 MILLION AND IT WAS BUILT UP FRONT. AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF 2209 TO CONNECT DOWN TO IGP HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY. SO THAT IN BLUE HAS BEEN ALREADY DONE. ALSO, THE DEVELOPER HAS CONTRIBUTED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THE OUTER BELTWAY, AND THAT CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE FORTHCOMING IN THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX YEARS. AND THEN THE NEW PROPOSED TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION WILL BE THIS SILVER LAKE DRIVE LOOP, AND THEN THE STATE ROAD 13 CONNECTOR ROAD WHICH WILL CONNECT FROM THE LOOP DOWN TO -- AND THEN CONNECT FROM COUNTY ROAD 16A DOIN' TO STATE ROAD 13. AND IN YOUR PACKAGE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOAMENT COMMENS FROM DOT WHICH HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE REQUIREMENT OR THE DIDN'T INFORMANT DEVELOPMENT ORDER BECAUSE THESE ARE REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT ROADS.

AND SO DOT HAS RECOGNIZED THEM. THEY MAY WANT THIS SEGMENT TO BE BUILT A LITTLE EARLIER, BUT WE'VE ALREADY MADE PROMISES TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT ROAD, THAT THAT PARCEL 40 THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED NOW, AND SO WE'RE GEEG TO STICK ON OUR WORD NOT TO BUILD THIS COLLECTOR ROAD THROUGH THAT AREA FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

AND YOU CAN SEE AGAIN THE MITIGATION COSTS INCREASING TO THE COST OF ALL THESE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS IS ABOUT $143.8 MILLION. SOME WILL GET TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION CREDIT AND OTHERS JUST CONSTRUCTION COSTS RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S WHAT THE OVERALL CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR THAT ROADWAY NET THE WORK THAT YOU SEE UP IN BLUE AND THEN GREEN HAS COST THIS DEVELOPER.

AND SO AGAIN, THE REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT ROADS DESIGNED TO MEET THE COUNTY'S NEEDS. AND SO A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST CLEANUP HERE IS THE SUMMARY OF THE BENEFITS.

AGAIN, INEXREENGS THE REGION TRANSPORTATION NETWORK BY 6.5 OR 6.2 NEW MILES OF NEW ROADS, NEW LOCATIONS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL SPACE LOSING THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY THAT WILL ADD JOBS AND TAX BASE, INEXREENGS THE COUNTY HOUSING CHOICE, CONSTRUCTION OF MULTI-PURPOSE PATHS.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE NEW COLLECTOR ROADS, THEY WILL INCLUDE A MULTI-PURPOSE PATH, AND IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH SILVERLEAF NOW DOWN THROUGH 2209, YOU'RE GOING TO SEW A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT WALKING AND BIKING, AND SO PEOPLE REALLY ENJOY THOSE MULTI-PURPOSE PATHS, AND THAT PATH WILL CONNECT EVENTUALLY DOWN TO THE TROUT CREEK PARK AND COULD BE

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WE CAN GO BACK TO THE IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN THE EQUESTRIAN AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN PARCELS 41 AND 42 ARE DESIGNED TO PRESERVE THAT RURAL CHARACTER IN THAT AREA AND ALSO THE BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY.

BEFORE I FINISH, I WANT TO BRING UP A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, AND, DR. MCCORMICK, I THINK THIS PLAYS, DONE OF E. ONE OF THEM PLAYS INTO THE SCHOOL BOARD.

WE HAD SENT THE SCHOOL BOARD THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER DRAFT TO REVISE THE SCHOOL CONDITIONS BECAUSE WE'RE OBVIOUSLY ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AND SO WE HAD TALKED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD A COUPLE OF WEEKS DR. OR ACTUALLY AUM COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ABOUT WHETHER THEY NEEDED AN ADDITIONAL SCHOOL SITE WITHIN SILVERLEAF, AND SO THE AGREEMENT HAS BEEN REACHED, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE LANGUAGE IN JUST A MINUTE, THAT THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL K-8 SITE THAT WILL BE -- I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE PLAN. HERE'S PARCEL 40.

THERE WILL BE ANOTHER K-8 SITE WITHIN SILVERLEAF THAT WILL LOCATED IN PARCEL 40, AND ALSO WE'RE WORKING ON LANGUAGE, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU A DRAFT OF, WE'RE WORKING ON SOME TWEAKS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, BUT MS. CUBBAGE DID SEND YOU AN EMAIL YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS AGREEABLE TO ALL OF THIS IN CONCEPT. AND THEN -- SO LET ME SHOW YOU

THIS LANGUAGE FIRST. >> DR. MCCORMICK: YOU HAVE BETTER CONNECTION TO HER THAN I DO.

>> SPEAKER: HERE'S THE EMAIL SHE SENT TO YOU.

AND SO IT TALKS ABOUT -- [LAUGHTER]

I'LL GIVE YOU A COPY. >> MR. MATOVINA: YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TURN THAT IN TO SHERI.

>> SPEAKER: I WILL. AND SO I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU THE MINOR CHANGES. SO WE HAD PROPOSED -- AND THIS IS NOT UNTIL THE PACKAGE THAT YOU HAVE BUT WE'RE DIFFERENTIATING IN THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER.

AWAY LEAVING THE SCHOOL IN IT QUAITION FOR THE FIRST 10,700 UNITS BASICALLY AS IT IS. I JUST MADE SOME DIFFERENT DEFINITIONAL CHANGES. AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE NON-AGE RESTRICTED UNITS ABOVE THE 10,700 ALREADY APPROVED, WE'RE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE -- THAT K-8 STUDENTS WILL BE GENERATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT THIS PROJECT AND THAT THE OWNER AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL WORK TOGETHER TO IDENTIFY ONE ADDITIONAL K-8 SITE WITHIN OR NEAR THE 2020 ADDED LANDS WHICH ARE THE ADDITIONAL ADDED LANDS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY AND THAT THE OWNER WILL ALSO PAY A PROPORTIONATE SHARE MITIGATION IN CASH IN ADDITION TO THE LAND DONATION.

AND SO THAT'S THE MAJOR CHANGE. WE TALKED TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ATTORNEY JUST YESTERDAY AFTERNOON ABOUT A COUPLE OF TWEAKS TO THAT LANGUAGE WHICH WE WILL MAKE BETWEEN NOW AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING. SO THAT'S THE CHANGE TO THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER SPECIAL CONDITION 29 FOR EDUCATION.

AND THEN WE ALSO ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE ONE CHANGE TO ONE OF THE WAIVERS IN THE PUD. WE HAD ERRONEOUSLY PUT IN THAT WE WANTED A FULL MEDIAN CUT IN ONE OF THE WAIVERS AND IT ACTUALLY IS JUST GOING TO BE A CURB CUT SO WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT TWAIFER, BUT I WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION TODAY SO WE PUT EVERYTHING ON THE RECORD TODAY ABOUT WHAT LITTLE CHASING WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IN THESE DOCUMENTS BETWEEN NOW AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION. SO YOU HAVE TIME TO ASK US

QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. >> MR. MATOVINA: CAN YOU TEM US WITH THE ABOUT THE CHANGES IN THAT WAIVER.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO US. >> SPEAKER: I'M GOING TO-GATE RAY SPOFFORD TO TALK ABOUT IT SINCE HE'S OUR PROJECT EXPERT

PLANNER. >> SPEAKER: YES.

THE WAIVER REFERENCED -- >> MR. MATOVINA: NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> SPEAKER: FOR THE RECORD NAMES RAY SPOFFORD 14705 OLD ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. THE WAIVER ACTUALLY REFERENCES TWO PARCEL NUMBERS THAT ARE INCORRECT.

SO WE NEED TO REVISE THE WAIVER TO REFERENCE THE CORRECT PARCEL NUMBER. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE WAIVER REQUEST IS FOR A FULL MEDIAN OPENING.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS ON RECORD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHERE IS THIS?

IS THIS IN ONE OF THESE PARCELS? >> SPEAKER: YES.

IF YOU LOOK ON THIS MAP, IT WOULD BE JUST NORTH OF THE

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IT'S WAIVER NUMBER 25 TO LDC PAYABLE 6.03.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WHAT'S HAPPENING TO IT?

>> SPEAKER: SO THE REFERENCE TO PARCELS 16 AND 21 WOULD BE REMOVED AND 23 WOULD REMAIN IN THIS WAIVER.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YOU'RE MAKING IT MORE RESTRICTIVE.

THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> SPEAKER: SO THAT IS THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION UNLESS YOU

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. >> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OBVIOUSLY IT WAS A GOOD PRESENTATION. SO HOW MANY SPEAKER CARDS DO WE

HAVE? >> MS. PERKINS: WE HAVE EIGHT.

ONE SPEAKER IS REQUESTING TEN MINUTES AND THE LIST OF PEOPLE THAT CREED THEIR TIME WHO ARE NOT PRESENT.

>> DR. MCCORMICK: MR. AB TELL A, DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST OR LAST? I'M GOING TO GRANT YOUR TEN

>> SPEAKER: I CAN GO FIRST. >> MR. MATOVINA: THAT WILL BE FINE. WHO HERE IS REPRESENTED BY MR. ABATELLO? RAISE YOUR HAND, PLEASE.

NOW, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING, I'M SAYING HE'S SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENTING 37 PEOPLE. I'M WONDERING WHERE THOSE 37

PEOPLE ARE. >> SPEAKER: THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BE AT THIS MEETING AS I WAS TOLD BY THE ATTORNEY'S

OFFICE. >> MR. MATOVINA: NOBODY IS REQUIRED TO BE AT THE MEETING. I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

OKAY. I'VE BEEN -- MY NAME IS AL ABATELO 3733 RIVER BERG ROAD AND I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE -- SCENIC HIGHWAY MANAGEMENT GROUP. WE'VE BEEN IN EXIST TINGS FOR SOMETHING ON THERED ON 23 YEARS. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 23 YEARS WANT BEEN A MEMBER OF THE SCENIC HIGHWAY GROUP FOR THAT LONG, AND OUR MAJOR GOAL INITIALLY AS THE BARGE AND SCENIC HAWAII SCHS A STATE AUTHORIZED SCENIC HIGHWAY SELLS SWLS A COUNTY AUTHORIZED SCENIC HIGHWAY WAS TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE CHARACTER OF OUR SCENIC HIGHWAY FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST ST. JOHNS COUNTY BUT THE COMMUNITY OF THE WORLD AT LARGE BASICALLY. AND TO SUPPORT THAT WE CAN ALSO SAY TO SUPPORT THE END 62 I CAN HIGHWAY PROGRAM WHICH IS PART OF THE FLORIDA DOT IS INVOLVED, IA PROMOTION PROGRAM TO DEMONSTRATE AND HAVE PEOPLE COME THROUGH SCENIC HIGHWAY TO ENJOY THE SCENIC BEAUTY OF OUR AREA. AND THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE

CURRENTLY -- >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. ABATELLO, COULD YOU SPUL THAT MICROPHONE DOWN AND SPEAK NIGHT A LITTLE

BIT BETTER. >> SPEAKER: IS THAT BETTER?

>> MR. MATOVINA: MUCH BETTER. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S A HISTORY OF THE WILLIAM PARTTON AND SCENIC STATE HIGHWAY.

THE IN FACT OUR MASTER PLAN WHICH WAS DEVELOPED INCLUDING $250,000 WORTH OF COUNTY FUNDING AS PART OF OUR APPLICATION AUTHORIZE AUTHORIZATION AS A SCENIC HIGHWAY WHAT IS APPROVED OR AT LEAST ACCEPTED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY AS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD HELP SUPPORT.

IN FACT, MANY OF THE REGULATIONS ARE RELATED TO SCENIC HIGHWAY AND WERE AS A RESULT OF OUR SCENIC HIGHWAY DESIGNATION.

SO AS WE SAY ON THE SLIDE HERE, OUR MAJOR CONCERNS ALSO ARE THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF OUR COUNTY RESIDENTS, WHICH INCLUDES RESIDENTS, PAST, CURRENT AND FUTURE, AS WELL AS AREA TRAVELERS, AND, OF COURSE, AREA TRAVELERS MEANS THE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE INFLUENCED TO WANT TO TRAVEL TO SCENIC HIGHWAY AS WELL AS THE A1A SCENIC HIGHWAY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

AND INPORT OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY IS THIS DIAGRAM THAT

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IS THIS BUSINESS OF THIS 970 HOMES IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA AS WELL AS UP TO 190, AND WHILE THEY'RE ONLY SHOWING 101 LOTS, THEY'RE ALSO STATING NOT TO EXCEED 190, AND A GOOD LIKELIHOOD IS IT WILL BE 190 OR SOMEWHERE BETWEEN.

SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1160 HOMES IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, INCLUDING TOWNHOMES. I'LL SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT A TOWNHOME LOOKS LIKE THAT'S ALREADY UNDER DEVELOPMENT IN SILVERLEAF. THAT'S ALREADY BEEN -- BEING TBHILT SILVER LEAF AS WE SPEAK. SO IF THIS IS DPIEFNED TOWNHOME THAT THEY'RE PLANNING IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, WHICH IS A RURAL FARMING AREA, IT HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO PLACE IN THIS SEGMENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT CREYTS CREATES A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN.

OF ADDITIONAL CONCERN IS IF CONGESTION.

IS THE CONGESTION, THE ACTUAL DENSITY OF THE PARCEL 40 SEGMENT. WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WE'RE LOOKING AT A CONNECTOR ROAD OF TWO LANES.

AND THERE'S 1160 POTENTIAL HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO COMPETE FOR ACCESS TO THAT ROADWAY TO ACCESS A TWO LANE ROAD WHICH IS CURRENTLY DANGEROUS, AS STATE ROAD -- COUNTY ROAD 16A AND ALSO STATE RADIOED 13. NOW, THERE IS NO -- STATE ROAD 13. THERE IS NO PROVISION IN OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR TRAFFIC SIGNALS, BUT THERE WILL HAVE TO BE TRAFFIC SIGNALS. HOW ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO CONTROL THAT VOLUME OF TRAFFIC GETTING OUT INTO THE MAJOR HIGHWAYS? AND IN ADDITION WE ALSO, AGAIN AGAIN -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THIS, BUT AS WE COME OFF THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY, THERE ARE EXITS THAT WILL ALLOW TRAFFIC -- WHAT'S THE TERM? -- LONGLEAF PINE, ALSO A CONNECTION WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED TO GET OUT TO 16A GOING WESTBOUND AND ACCESSING STATE ROAD FLEAN.

THAT WAS A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT AT THE TIME THIS LONGLEAF -- THE PARKWAY -- EXCUSE ME, THE EXPRESSWAY WAS DESIGNED.

THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME THAT THEY WERE ASKING IF WE COULD HAVE A DIRECT ACCESS ONTO 13, AND WE SAID, NO, THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN. OKAY.

SO THIS THEN ADDS TO A FURTHER POTENTIAL CONGESTION IN ALL THE MAJOR HIGHWAYS AND ROADWAYS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. LET ME GO BACK TO OUR POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. BASICALLY, SINCE THE SEPTEMBER 19TH PZA VOTE NOTHING HAS CHANGED AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT.

THE SAME ROADS ARE DEFICIENT. THE SAME UNCERTAIN ROAD FUNDING EXISTS. AND ROAD FUNDING IS STILL IS NOT SECURED. THE THERE ARE CURRENTLY 19 ADVERSELY IMPACTED ROAD SITES. WE SEE 16A AT 1 III%.

ST. ROAD 16 ARE HUGELY IMPACTED AND THERE DEFINITELY ARE EITHER CONSIDERED DEFICIENT OR FAILING. THEN BACK TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY, OUR PRIMARY CONCERN FOR ROADS SHOULD BE FAMILY SAFETY, AND WE DON'T SEE THAT IN THE PLAN.

DEFICIENT ROADS ARE A RISK TO SAFETY AND ARE A LIABILITY AND CAN BE A LIABILITY TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND WE KNOW ST. JOHNS COUNTY LIKES TO SHY AWAY FROM LIABILITIES.

THERE WAS ALSO, THEN, THE LETTER FROM FDOT DATED NOVEMBER 15TH THAT SAYS -- SHOULD BE COMING U UP.

THEY RECOMMEND THAT IT'S ROADS SHOULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH A SPECIFIED COMPLETION DATE PRIOR TO ANY DEVELOPMENT WEST OF COUNTY ROAD 16A.

AND THESE ARE ALL THE PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PART OF THE PROPOSED EX PASSAGE. PROPOSED EXPANSION.

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AND THE PROPOSED WALL. THE CONNECTOR IS ALSO CONSIDERED A REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT ROAD, AT LEAST ON THE PART OF THE DEVELOPER, BUT THE QUESTION REALLY IS REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT IS IN THIS CASE FOR LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY, AND THE PROPOSED REGIONY SIGNIFICANT CORRIDOR WILL ONLY BRING NEW TRAFFIC TO STATE ROAD 13, INCLUDING TRAFFIC OFF OF THE SPHWRAI.

SO THIS WE DEM SEPARATED EARLIER.

ARE THERE ONCE STUB, IF YOU CAN SEE IT, OFF OF THE EXPRESSWAY THAT GOES INTO THE RING HAVEN PROPERTY.

THE QUESTION REMAINS IS WHY DOES THAT STUB GO OFF INTO RING HAVEN PROPERTY. THAT'S 2,000 PLUS ACRES THAT WE'D HAVE TO GUESS IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE ANOTHER MAJOR DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. SO ALL OF THIS MEANS TRAFFIC AND HAZARDS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, PEOPLE THAT COME TO THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU'VE HEARD EARLIER FROM RESIDENTS THAT MOVED INTO THE AREA, BECAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY WERE MOVING INTO, AND THEY LATER FIND WITH THE PRESENTATION TODAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY A DEVELOPMENT THAT I THINK YOU GENTLEMEN HAVE REFUSED OR REJECTED, BUT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THIS WILL DEFINITELY AFFECT EVERYTHING IN THE COMMUNITY.

THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE SILVERLEAF CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION TOWNHOMES THAT ARE PLANNED FOR THAT PARCEL 40.

AND WE DO HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT IN HERE TO MAKE SO MANY RECOMMENDATIONS. AND WE DO RECOMMEND -- REDUCED TO DENSELY PARCEL 40 SIGNIFICANTLY.

ELIMINATE ANY TOWNHOMES IN THAT AREA.

AND ACCEPT F DEET RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT DON'T DO ANY CONSTRUCTION PRIOR TO ANY DEVELOPMENT WEST OF COUNTY ROAD 16A UNTIL ALL THE MITIGATION ROADS ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH THE SPECIFIED COMPLETION DATE.

AND THAT, GENTLEMEN, IS MY PRESENTATION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: PHYLLIS ABATELLO. [INAUDIBLE]

>> MR. MATOVINA: YOUR MIC'S NOT ON, MA'AM.

THERE'S A BUTTON THERE -- USA YOUR RIGHT HAND.

>> SPEAKER: IT'S ON. >> DR. MCCORMICK: IT IS NOW.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. SHALL I START OVER?

>> MR. MATOVINA: YES, YOU CAN. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

I AM PHYLLIS ABATELL EXPOI I LOVE THE 371133 RIVER BIRCH ROAD. I AM ALSO AN OFFICER OF THE WILLIAM BARTRAM SCENIC AND HISTORIC HIGHWAY.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THAT WE WORKED VERY HARD TO GET THAT DESIGNATION, AND THAT DESIGNATION IS HONORED ALL ACROSS FLORIDA. SCENIC HIGHWAY IS A BIG PROGRAM, AND A LOT OF MONEY WAS GIVEN TO THIS PROGRAM.

AND FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND WANT TO BUILD ON BOTH SIDES OF IT IN AND IN A WAY THAT WIL AFFECT IT, IT IS NOT RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE HAD A HEALTH PROBLEM.

I HAVE. A SERIOUS ONE.

AND I WAS GLAD THAT WHEN THE AMBULANCE CAME TO MY HOME, THAT I WAS OUT ON A FOUR-LANE HIGHWAY BECAUSE ALL I COULD THINK OF WAS, DEAR GOD, LET ME GET TO THE HOSPITAL FAST.

THESE PEOPLE MOVING IN THIS AREA ARE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING TO THE HOSPITAL ON A CROWDED TWO-LANE ROAD.

EVEN COMING HERE, WHEN WE CROSSED 16, IT WAS BACKED UP EARLY IN THE DAY COMING HERE TO THIS MEETING.

IT WAS BACKED UP ALL THE WAY FOR ABOUT A BLOCK OR MORE WITH TRUCKS, WITH CARS, AND HOW WILL AN AMBULANCE GET AROUND THAT?

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NOW, I KNOW THIS DEVELOPER. IT STATES THAT MS. AVERYS THAT S SPENDING $78.5 MILLION FOR ROADWAY AND THAT.

HE WOULDN'T HAVE TO IF HE DIDN'T WANT TO.

HE WANTS THIS PROJECT, AND SO HE IS WILLING.

I HAVEN'T SEEN A DEVELOPER OR A BUILDER ALIVE THAT DOESN'T MAKE MONEY OFF OF THEIR PROJECTS. SO TO CONSTANTLY STATE HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE SPENDING, IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME, AND I'M SURE IT DOESN'T AFFECT OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. AND THE SAD PART IS THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE LAST MEETING FEEL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT, JUST BECAUSE OF WHO THEY ARE. MY BIGGEST QUESTION TO THIS IS WHAT GUARANTEE IS THERE THAT THIS DEVELOPER, BEING THAT IT'S GOING OUT IN SO MANY YEARS, WON'T COME BACK AND ASK FOR DIFFERENT CHANGES, CONSTANT CHANGES, AFTER WE HAVE ALREADY AGREED ON SOME THINGS. THEY COME BACK TO GET THE CHANGES. NOW, I KNOW MY TIME IS UP.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> SPEAKER: BUT I HOPE YOU CONSIDER THIS SINCERELY AND UNDERSTAND HOW HARD THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WORKED TO GET

THE SCENIC HIGHWAY. >> MS. PERKINS: DEBORAH

LUNDLEY. >> SPEAKER: DEB LAW LUMLEY I GIVE AT 708 SPRING HAVEN. IT'S CLOSE TO GREENBRIER AND STATE ROAD 13. WE HAVE LIVED THERE FOR ABOUT 18 YEARS. IT'S A SMALL DEVELOPMENT.

I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU WOULD DENY THE REQUEST FOR THE 2300-PLUS HOMES AND OFFICES. FOR INDUSTRY AND HOSPITAL.

I'M GOING TO JUST KIND OF SPEAK FROM THE HEART.

YOU'VE HEARD LOTS OF INFORMATION FOR FACTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BASICALLY, I'M JUST SORT OF THINKING THAT WE HAVE A WONDERFUL COUNTY. WE HAVE THE BEST SCHOOLS IN THE WHOLE DARN STATE. AND I'LL SAY THAT JUST FOR MY INVOLVEMENT OF MY OWN KIDS AND MY INVOLVEMENT WITH THE SCHOOLS ON PTO AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND KNOWING BETH SLOUGH.

WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE OCEANFRONT AND TO ST. JOHN RIVER.

I JUST THINK IT'S A GREAT COUNTY.

WE HAVE THESE GREAT BIG DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY, NOCATEE AND RIVER TOWN, BEACH WALK, ALL THOSE NEWER LARGE ONES, AND I LOVE ST. AUGUSTINE. WE NOW HAVE THIS BIG DEVELOPMENT, SHOPPING CENTER, DURBIN CREEK THAT ALL OF US WERE WANTING FOR SHOPPING. WE HAVE BUCKY'S, HECK.

HOE DIDN'T WANT A BUC-EE'S AROUND? I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A COSTCO.

GOSH, NOW I'VE READ IN PAPER THAT WE WERE GOING TO MAYBE GET A COSTCO. AND I HEARD THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE OUTLET CENTERS ARE.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.

MOST OF MY FRIENDS, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC AROUND HERE. LET'S STOP.

WE NEED THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE NEED THAT FIRST.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S ALL THERE EVER IS.

IT JUST TAKES SO LONG TO GET HOME FROM EVERYTHING.

THAT'S WHAT'S BUGGING US. WE LOVE OUR COUNTY.

WE LOVE THE HOMES. THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL HOMES AROUND HERE. WE LOVE TO BE ABLE TO GO SHOPPING. WE LOVE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE BEACH AND GET OUT ON THE RIVER, THINGS LIKE THAT, SO LET'S JUST LOVE IT AND ENJOY WHAT WE HAVE. THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO GREAT HERE. SO WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE SO MANY MORE HOMES, AND LET'S JUST ENJOY THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO GREAT HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO ASK THAT YOU WOULD JUST DENY THIS REQUEST AND LET'S JUST ENJOY THE BEAUTY OF WHAT WE HAVE, ENJOY THE

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>> MS. PERKINS: THOMAS LUMLEY. SPHNCH GOOD AFTERNOON.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY AND I DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

P I ALSO DO APPRECIATE SILVERLEF DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB THE ON

DEVELOPMENT PLAN. >> MS. PERKINS: CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS TOM LUMLEY I LIVE AT 708 SPRING HAVEN DRIVE. AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOOD JOB YOU'RE DOING AND ALSO SILVERLEAF FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE, THE GOOD JOB THEY'VE DONE IN THEIR PLANNING.

I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE PEOPLE.

OKAY? WE HAVE TWO ROADS, 16A AND ALSO 13. AND IS THAT ENOUGH? AND I GET IT. I'M NOT ON A TRAFFIC BOARD OR WHATEVER. IS THAT ENOUGH ROADS TO MANAGE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING INTO SILVERLEAF AND LEAVING EVERY DAY? I KNOW FOR MYSELF I'M RETIRED.

I USED TO DRIVE DOWN THE ST. AUGUSTINE EVERY DAY AND WORK DOWN THERE. IT TOOK ABOUT 15 MINUTES FOR ME TO GO FROM MY HOME TO 95 DOWN ON GREENBRIER TO 210 OUT TO 95 AND ERIN DOWN 95 TO ST. AUGUSTINE. NOW IT TAKES ME ABOUT 30 MINUTES, AND THAT'S ON A GOOD DAY.

SO IF -- IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME 30 MINUTES, AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT SILVERLEAF HAS PLANNED, IS IT GOING TO TAKE AN HOUR FOR PEOPLE OF TO DRIVE DOWN THESE ROADS? AGAIN, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOT OF TIME OR MORE TIME PUT INTO THE MOVING OR MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

IT'S EITHER BIGGER HIGHWAYS MOVING AROUND OR JUST SAYING NO TO THE SUBDIVISION UNTIL A PLAN IS PUT INTO EFFECT.

DOWN 13, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND MUCH MORE TIME, BUT WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST SUBDIVISIONS.

IT WAS ALMOST A DIRT ROAD BEFORE AND THEY HAD JUST MADE BARTRAM TRAIL HIGH SCHOOL, AND NOW THERE'S ABOUT I'D SAY MAYBE TEN SUBDIVISIONS IN THAT AREA, AND THAT'S CAUSED A LOT OF TRAFFIC PROBLEMS IN THE AREA. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I'M JUST OPPOSED TO HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE PEOPLE OUT OF THE COMMUNITY.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: MYRA GASKIN. DAN SERVER A.

A. >> 309.

LIVE IN CHILL WATER WHICH IS RIGHTLY NEXT THE SILVERLEAF.

AND WELL, THIS IS -- WE LOVE ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

IT'S A BRAND NEW COUNTY. WE HAVE THE CHANCE TO BUILD THE PRIDE OF FLORIDA. WE DON'T WANT TO BECOME LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA IN 30 YEARS FROM NOW, RIGHT, WITH SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT AND TRAFFIC, SO I KNOW EVENTUALLY THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. I'M JUST ASKING THE DEVELOPER, I'M ASKING YOU TO JUST LET'S TAKE PRIDE IN WHAT WE BUILD IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. LET'S THINK AHEAD OF TRAFFIC AND ROADS AND THE NEEDS FOR FAMILIES AND YOUNG PEOPLE.

IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO BUILD AND BUILD AND BUILD AND FILL UP THE COUNTY WITH RESIDENCES AND APARTMENTS AND EVEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I MEAN, I HOPE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LOW INCOME HOUSING, WE DON'T WANT THIS KIND OF LOW-QUALITY CONSTRUCTION JUST TO LOOK LIKE A GHETTO IN 20 YEARS FROM NOW, SO THIS IS A CHANCE THAT WE CAN TAKE PRIDE IN WHAT WE DO.

EVEN THE DEVELOPER, I'M SURE THEY -- I JUST ASKED ASK THEE PRIDE AND FEEL OF A LEGACY THEY CAN BUILD FOR THIS COUNTY, THIS COMMUNITY. SO JUST -- I'M A REAL ESTATE INVESTOR. I UNDERSTAND PROFIT.

I UNDERSTAND DEVELOPING AND THINKING AHEAD.

AND SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE INCOME, THE MONEY AND THE PROFITS AND THE PASSIVE INCOME AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT DEVELOPERS AND INVESTORS THINKING ABOUT, BUT I THINK IT'O CONSIDER ALSO FROM YOU AS PART OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THE

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THERE'S TIMES WE ARE WAITING THERE FOR 45 MINUTES FOR THE PEOPLE GOING TO TIMBER CREEK, THE SCHOOL JUST TO GO TO THE FREEWAY. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HOPING IS GOING TO BE -- FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO BE CAREFUL AND THINK AHEAD AND MAKE SURE WE'RE DEVELOPING A BEAUTIFUL COUNTY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: CHARLENE VINCENT. SPHNCHES GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS CHARLENE VINCENT I RIV AT 2314 VISTA COVE ROAD IN ST. AUGUSTINE. I DRIVE QUITE FREQUENTLY BEEN ST. AUGUSTINE AND GREEN COVE SPRINGS BECAUSE MY FAMILY LIVES THERE AND I LIVE HERE, AND I CHOSE ST. AUGUSTINE THOUGH I COULD HAVE LIVED CLOSER TO THEM, BUT I LOVED THAT DRIVE BETWEEN HERE AND THERE SO IT WAS OKAY WITH ME.

I LOVE IT LESS ALL THE TIME BECAUSE OF ALL THE REASONS WE'VE HEARD HEARD ALL DAY LONG.

WE CAN'T TAKE THIS BACK ONCE IT'S DONE.

LET'S FACE IT. AND YOU ALL LIFT IN COUNTY TOO, SO THINK ABOUT IT. WHY DO WE NEED THIS? THIS IS LIKE A DAVID AND GOLIATH SITUATION AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF MANY, BUT THIS ONE IS REALLY, REALLY HUGE.

AND IT'S GOING TO IMPACT SO MANY PEOPLE.

AND SO THE ACRE LOTS AND THE 3-ACRE LOT ZONING AND ALL THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO THAT, I THINK THAT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA.

HOWEVER, THAT'S ALL BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM THE REST OF US.

IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT FOR SOME PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GREAT FOR EVERYBODY.

THE ONE THING I DIDN'T HEAR FROM ANYBODY TODAY WAS THE 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE THAT IS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN MENTIONED, EVEN THE PERSON WHO DID ALL THE PRESENTING DID NOT EVEN TOUCH ON THAT SUBJECT.

26 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE EQUALS FRISK ACRES OF LAND D. FRISKED ACRES OF LAND. THAT'S A LOT OF HAND.

46 ACRES OF LAND. WE CAN'T RECAPTURE THAT.

THERE'S A WONDERFUL PHOTO EXHIBIT WHICH I'M GLAD I GOT A CHANCE TO SEE BUT IT ALMOST MAKES YOU NOSTALGIC FOR SOMETHING THAT WE STILL HAVE BUT WE AREN'T PRESERVING, AND WE NEED TO. SO I THINK IT'S TIME FOR ALL OF US TO TAKE A STEP BACK, TAKE A BREATH, AND SAY WHY.

WHY DO WE NEED THIS? AND WHO DOES IT BENEFIT? AND WHO DOES IT SERVE BEYOND THE DEVELOPERS? AND THAT DIDN'T GOING TO BE MONEY IN OUR POCKET, SO THINK IT OVER. AND PLEASE VOTE YOUR CONSCIOUS ON THESE THINGS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T -- IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO US. IT NEVER WILL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: ALLEN WHEN IT W. SPHRCH MY NAME IS ELLEN WHITMER AND I RESIDE AT 1178 NATURE'S HAMMOCK ROAD SOUTH GRIEWT FRUIT COVE OR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA.

I, OF COURSE, LIVE IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT.

THE NORTHWEST SECTOR IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN. THIS TO ME IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF URBAN SPRAWL. AND I DO HAVE QUITE A RESUME DEALING WITH URBAN SPRAWL ISSUES.

I WAS INVOLVED IN A BIG CASE. HOWEVER, AS A RESULT OF THAT INVOLVEMENT, THE STATE LAW WAS CHANGED, I SAY, BY THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THAT I DID MY CHALLENGES TO SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT, WE HAD A VERY STRONG LAW. WE HAD A DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF STATE OVERSIGHT. THAT NO LONGER EXISTS.

THAT NO LONGER EXISTS. THE STATE HAS SOMETHING CALLED THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, BUT IT CANNOT HOLD A

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I'M SORRY, CANNOT HOLD A CANDLE THE TO DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. I DO CONCUR WITH THE ABATELLOS.

I'M A MEMBER OF THE SPIG EVER SCENIC HIGHWAY WORK.

WE NEED TO PRESERVE IT. THE TRAFFIC IS JUST HORRENDOUS IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION. I JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BATTLE EVERY DAY WHEN I LEAVE MY DRIVEWAY, AND IT'S GETTING WORSE EVERY DAY, AND WHEN YOU APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IT JUST EXACERBATES IT BEYOND BELIEF. OUR SCHOOLS WILL BE, OF COURSE, IMPACTED AND OVERCROWDED AS THEY HAVE BEEN FOR A GOOD WHILE AND THEY WILL GET EVEN WORSE. WE DON'T NEED TO EXACERBATE THAT. I'M JUST ASKING FOR MERCY, MERCY ON THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT ARE CURRENTLY LIVING HERE THAT CANNOT DEAL WITH THIS MUCH CHANGE THIS FAST AND GET THINGS LOCKED IN FOR THE FUTURE BECAUSE THINGS MAY HAPPEN DIFFERENTLY IN THE FUTURE AND THE FUTURE BOARDS NEED TO HAVE THAT OPTION TO DEAL WITH THESE DIPLOMAS, BUT THEIR HANDS WILL BE TIED BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE WANT TO LOCK IN THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THAT THEY CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE PER OUR COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN. THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION.

I HOPE YOU WILL RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT THEY DO NOT ADOPT THIS COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN AMENDMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MS. WHITMER.

>> MS. PERKINS: THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO IT'S TIME FOR REBUTTAL.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

JUST A FEW COMMENTS. IF WE COULD HAVE OUR POWERPOINT BACK UP, PLEASE. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO POINT OUT TODAY THAT SILVERLEAF IS A MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY OWNED BY A LOCAL FAMILY. AND THE LAND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY TO ADD ONTO SILVERLEAF IS OWNED BY A LOCAL FAMILY, AND SO WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT BUILDING A LEGACY AND TAKING PRIDE, I THINK YOU CAN LOOK IN SILVERLEAF AND WHAT'S HAPPENED TO DATE AND SEE THE PRIDE THAT THIS FAMILY TAKES IN THIS COMMUNITY. I JUST WANT TO ALSO TALK ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO THE ABATELLOS AND THE BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY.

THERE IS A FREQUENCE FOR THE BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY AND WE ARE LEAVING THE 75-FOOT EDGE ALONG, AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP, THAT'S REQUIRED OF BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, .

I DO WANT TO CORRECT SOMETHING MR. ABATELLOS SAID.

THE WHOLE TOTAL OF LOTS WITHIN PARCELS 41A, 41B AND 42, WHICH IS 97 ACRES IN SIZE, IS 195 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.

SO THAT'S ONE UNIT PER 5 ACRES. ONLY 195 LOTS, NOT 1100 AND WHATEVER LOTS. AND SO THAT'S IN THE COMP PLAN TEXT POLICY. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT TO EVERYONE JUST FOR THE RECORD. WITH RESPECT TO TRANSPORTATION, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, AND AGAIN THIS IS JUST GOING TO ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SPEAKING, AND I'M SORRY, I CANNOT -- I THINK -- I CAN'T PRONOUNCENER LAST NAMES, BUT FOR THE REGIONAL ROADWAY NETWORK, PLEASE KNOW THAT THIS OUTER BELTWAY IS COMING THROUGH IN THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX YEARS.

IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN CLAY COUNTY.

IT WILL COME ACROSS THE ST. JOHN RIVER, COME THIS WAY AND HOOK ONTO I-95. THIS THAT IS THE CORRIDOR OF OR FUTURE. AND SILVERLEAF CONTRIBUTED RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THAT ROAD.

AND SILVERLEAF ALSO CONSTRUCTED 2209, AND THIS WILL BE AN INTERCHANGE, AND ALSO THIS ROADWAY SEGMENT ALREADY.

AND THEN THEY'RE BUILDING TWO NOW REGIONAL ROADS THAT WILL BE THE SILVER LAKE DRIVE LOOP THAT CONNECTS TO 2209 AND THE STATE ROAD 13 CONNECTOR WHICH DOT RECOGNIZES IN ITS LETTER WILL ALLEVIATE -- IT'S A REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT ROAD THAT WILL ALLEVIATE CONGESTION ON STATE ROAD 13.

TRAFFIC WILL MOVE TO 2209 OR TO THE OUTER BELTWAY.

AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION.

WITH RESPECT TO SHEARWATER, THAT DEVELOPER IS ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING SEVERAL MILL I DON'T KNOW, 20-POINT EVER POINT SOMETHING MILLION DOLLARS TO THE COUNTY.

FOR YOU CAN ARE CRURVETION A FOUR LANE FROM GREENBRIER TO CIMARRON, AND THE COUNTY IS DESIGNING THAT ROAD AND THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO FUND IT. SO THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON INCOME BAT GROUND WITH ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS LIKE DOT IS

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AND SO WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY.

DR. MCCORMICK. >> DR. MCCORMICK: YES.

ELLEN, SINCE DR. HILSENBECK ISN'T HERE TODAY, I'M HERE TO KIND OF TAKE HIS PLACE, SO WE'RE AT NO REALLY GOING TO TALK ABOUT ED EDUCATION TODAY. YOU KNOW HOW HE AND I VOTED THE LAST TIME WHEN I SPROATD VOR EDUCATION AND HE WAS LECTURING UP. I'M NOT GOING TO LECTURE YOU BUT I AM GOING TO BRING UP SOME ITEMS THAT I'VE BEEN READING FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAT CAME IN BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE RELEVANT. ONE IS FOR JOSEPH MCINERNEY, AND HE BROUGHT UP A COUPLE THINGS. HE SAID HE'S MAKING A FORMAL REQUEST THAT THE COUNTY REQUIRES THAT THE COMP AMENDMENT HEARING BE CONTINUED AND NOT HEARD BRI THE PZA TODAY BUT CONTINUE THAT HEARING BECAUSE, ALSO BECAUSE THE DRI MODIFICATION AND SILVERLEAF AND M MAJMOD ALSO WOULD HAVE TO BE CONTINUED IF WE CONTINUE THIS ONE. SO THEN HE NOTED THAT THE FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION COMMISSION REVIEW COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED BY THE COUNTY ON NOVEMBER 23RD AND THAT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY STAFF REPORT WAS SUMMARIZED IN ITS REVIEW OF SILVERLEAF DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED BEFORE NOVEMBER 18TH SO-SO IF APPLICANT DOCUMENTS CURRENTLY IN HAND WERE SUBMITTED PRIOR TO FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE SUBMITTING THEIR COMMENTS, WHICH THEY HAD SEVERAL COMMENTS.

ALSO, HE RECOMMENDED THAT FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, IT MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT ALL MITIGATION ROADS SHOULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH A SPECIFIED EMPLOYEES DATE PRIOR TO ANY DEVELOPMENT WEST OF CR 16A, FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION OF STAFF.

THIS WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION, BY THE WAY.

IS AVAILABLE TO ASSIST ON THE PROPOSED MITIGATION TIMING OF THE PROPOSED ROADWAYS. THE AGENCY THAT ELLEN WHITMER DISCUSSED. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENTS OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

THEY MADE A COMMENT OR THEY MADE A DETERMINATION OF.

THEY SAID IT'S DETERMINED DURING OUR REVIEW THAT THE COMP AMENDMENT, SILVERLEAF AMENDMENT SHOULD BE REVIEWED UNDER THE STATE COORDINATED REVIEW PROCESS, THEREFORE, THE AMENDMENT WILL NOT BE REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT UNDER THE EXPEDITED STATE REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH IS HOW THIS ONE WENT THROUGH BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

THAT GIVES YOU ENOUGH. YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM THE BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY GROUP AND HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU AND I DON'T NEED TO LECTURE YOU, BUT I'M BRINGING UP ISSUES THAT I THINK RICHARD CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE BROUGHT UP IF HE WERE HERE TODAY, WHICH HE'S NOT.

>> SPEAKER: AND I DO FEEL COMPELLED TO ADDRESS THAT.

I ADDRESSED THE BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY IN THE FACT THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REQUIRES A 7E BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY -- SCENIC EDGE, I'M SORRY -- THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, SO WE'RE MEETING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH STRICT TO FRECTING THE BARTRAM SCENIC TWHIE. WE'RE ALSO LIMITING DEVELOPMENT ALONG THAT AREA IN THAT WHOLE YOU 970 ACRES THAT IS ALREADY OWNED BY THIS APPLICANT SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS TO AN AVERAGE OF ONE UNIT PER 5 ACRES. AND IF WE GO -- HANG ON.

I LOST MY REMOTE CROM. IF WE GO TO THE PLAN -- HOLD ON A MINUTE. IF WE GO TO THE PLAN, YOU SEE THIS IS PARCELS 41 AND 42. SEE THIS LARGE EXTENSIVE WETLANDS THAT ARE BEING PRESERVED? THAT'S -- THIS IS 970 ACRES. ONLY 195 UNITS ARE BEING DEVELOPED ON THAT WHOLE 970 ACRES.

SO THAT'S THE RESPONSE TO THE BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY ISSUE.

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THIS IS A GENERAL LETTER THAT FWC TYPICALLY SENDS OUT ABOUT PROTECTION OF THREATENED AND ENDANGERED SPECIES AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND YOU LOOK AT SPECIAL CONDITIONS -- HOLD ON A MINUTE -- 15 RELATED TO VEGETATION AND WILDLIFE --NESS ON PAGE 17.

ALSO SECTION -- OR SPECIAL CONDITION 15A TALKS WITH PROTECTING GOPHER TORTOISES. ARE THERE ALSO STATE LAW IN PLACES THAT SAYS GOPHER TORTOISE CANNOT BE IMPACTED.

THE THEY HAVE TO BE RELOCATED. SO IF YOU LOOK DOWN ON PAGES 17, 18, 19 TALKS ABOUT WILDLIFE CROSSINGS.

IT TALKS ABOUT DISCOVERY OF EAGLE'S NESTS ON SPECIAL CONDITION 16 WETLANDS ON PAGE 20 TALKS ABOUT WETLAND CONSERVATION AND WETLAND IMPACT. IF YOU GO TO PAGE 21, IT TALKS ABOUT PRESERVATION OF UPLAND BUFFERS.

AND SO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN FWC'S LETTER ARE ALSO ADDRESS IMMEDIATE THIS DRI ORDER AS IT'S BEING AMENDED FOR THESE NEW PROPERTIES. WITH RESPECT TO THE DOT COMMENTS, THE ROADWAY NETWORK WILL BE CONSTRUCTED.

I MEAN, IT'S A REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT ROADWAY WHICH DOT RECOGNIZED. WHAT THEY DON'T WANT IS THE SECTION THAT RUNS FROM 16A DOWN TO STATE ROAD 13 TO BE -- THEY WANT IT CONSTRUCTED EARLIER. WE HAVE ALREADY PROMISED THE RESIDENTS ON HARWOOD LANDING ROAD AND IN ELWOOD AND ON COLLIER ROAD THAT WE WILL NOT BUILD THAT ROAD THROUGH BECAUSE THIS IS A -- REMEMBER, THIS IS A DRI DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS A.

IT BUILDS OUT IN 2047. THIS IS A 25-YEAR PROJECT, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S DESIGNED TO DO IS BE BUILT OVER TIME AND THE ROADWAY MITIGATION, SO THE LOOP ROAD WILL BE BUILT UP FRONT AND THE CONNECTOR ROAD FROM THE LOOP ROAD DOWN TO 16A WILL BE BUILT UP FRONT, BUT THE OTHER ROAD WE'VE PROMISED THE RESIDENTS THAT WE WILL NOT BUILD NOW. AND SO THAT'S IN THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER ALREADY. WITH RESPECT TO THE DEO, I ACTUALLY SPOKE TO THEIR GENERAL COUNSEL YESTERDAY.

WE HAVE A DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THEY EVER INTERPRETATION OF STATE LAW BECAUSE -- AND I'M GOING TO PUT THIS UP HERE AND I WHICH I COMMUNICATED THIS TO THEIR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR YESTERDAY, THAT SECTION 380.06.12B 1.

>> DR. MCCORMICK: YOUR TALKING ABOUT MR. EUBANKS?

>> SPEAKER: NO. I ACTUALLY TALKED TO DAN EAGLE.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE LETTER FROM VEO IT TALKS DAN EAGLE'S SECRETARY. I TALKED TO HIM YESTERDAY TWICE, AND I TALKED TO ONE OF THEIR ASSISTANT JENN COUNSELS WHOSE NAME I DON'T RECALL. I APOLOGIZE.

ABOUT IT POINTED THEM TO THE FACT THAT THE DRI STATUTE 380.06 IF YOU LOOK AT SUBPARAGRAPH 12B IT SAYS, "THIS SUBSECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO -- THIS IS WITH PROTECT TO PRESIDENT.

DEVELOPED. THAT EXCEEDS THE STATE TWIED GUIDELINES, AND TALKING ABOUT STATE COORDINATOR REVIEW, THE SUBSECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO AMENDMENTS TO A DEVELOPMENT ORDER GOVERNING AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT.

SILVERLEAF IS AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT.

AND SO OUR LEGAL POSITION IS DEO IS WRONG.

AND I HAVE ACTUALLY CALLED SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES AROUND THE STATE AND VERIFIED THEIR INTERPRETATION IS THE SAME.

>> DR. MCCORMICK: I'M JUST COME BACK TO THE ISSUE THAT IT'S A VERY, VERY LARGE DEAL, AND IT DOES IMPACT A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY STWHELS THE LAND.

I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THE LAND ZONED BY THE OWNERS.

SO IN THE END THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH IT LEGALLY ANYWAY ALL I'M SAYING IS I WHO WOULD HOPE THAT 24 WOULD NOT YOU BE RUSHED THROUGH THE PZA UNTIL AFTER IT GOES, MAYBE IT GOES TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION BEFORE THEY -- EVEN IF WE PASSES IT HERE. IF IT GOES TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION -- I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ARGUING BUS HENRY AND I ARE ON ANOTHER COMMITTEE TOGETHER.

ONE THING IS BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOR IT ALL TO BE COMPLETED, THAT WAS A STRONG ARGUMENT FOR THEM. TO PASS THAT.

AT LEAST FROM HENRY'S PERSPECTIVE IT WAS.

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>> I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE. I SAID WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY.

>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES 6-1.

9.'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER- GO AHEAD.

>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF DRI MOD 2021-03 SILVERLEAF DRI UPON FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY MS. FERNG.

SECOND BY MR. PIERRE. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0. MOVE ON TO ITEM 10, PLEASE.

>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR MOD 2021-

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