Nov 16, 2021 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order by Chair]

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>> HENRY DEAN: GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

WELCOME TO OUR REGULAR COUNTY COMMISSION AGENDA FOR NOVEMBER 16. FIRST I WANT TO THANK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND I HOPE TO SOMEONE WILL.

>> HENRY DEAN: AND I ASK THE PASTOR MATT TO COME BACK UP FOR THE INVOCATION. HE DID LEAVE? I WILL ASK COMMISSIONER BLO BLOCKER, WOULD YOU BE WILLING

TO DO THE INVOCATION FOR US. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER:

ABSOLUTELY. >> HENRY DEAN: AND THEN WE

WILL HAVE THE PLEDGE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: DEAR LORD, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AND DO THE WORK FOR THE PEOPLE. DEAR LORD I PRAY FOR COMMISSIONER DEAN AND COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AS THEY LEAD IN COMMISSION TO GIVE THE WISDOM OF SOLOMON TO MAKE WISE DECISIONS. IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE

SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, AMEN. >> HENRY DEAN: FATHER JOHNSON, ARE YOU STILL WITH NEWS? I WILL TURN TO COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST TO DELIVER THE PLEDGE.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: EVERYBODY PLEASE TURN AND PLEDGE OUR GREAT FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND

[Proclamation Recognizing November 2021 as Adoption Month]

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

AND NOW WE WILL DO THE PROCLAMATIONS AND START WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST PRESENTING THE PROCLAMATION FOR. WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR FOR THE COUNTY TO RECOGNIZE NOVEMBER AS ADOPTION MONTH.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE JUSTIN AND BETHANY FORBES AND KEN WILLIAMS AND ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE FAMILIAR FAMILY INTEQ RIGHT PROGRAM DOWN TO THE

FLOOR, PLEASE. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: GOOD MORNING. IF YOU WILL PLEASE READ THE

PROCLAMATION NOT RECORD. >> THE PROCLAMATION OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY MISSIONERS ST. JOHN BOARD OF COUNTY MISSION.

EVERY YEAR THE ABUNDANCE BLESSINGS OF OUR GREAT NATION FOR OUR HOMES AND OUR FAMILIES. WHEREAS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS A LONG-STANDING TRADITION OF LOCAL CITIZENS OPENING THEIR HEARTS AND HOMES AND CHILDREN IN THE NEED OF A TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT RESIDENCE. WHEREAS, THE YOUTH OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY ARE PRECIOUS TO EACH OF US AND REPRESENT OUR GREATEST HOPE FOR THE FUTURE AND ALL CHILDREN DESERVE IS NURTURING, SAFE AND STABLE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH THEY CAN GROW UP TO ENJOY THE BENEFITS OF A HEALTHY AND PRODUCTIVE LIFE.

WHEREAS, FINDING FOREVER HOMES FOR CHILDREN IN OUT OF HOME CARE IS AN OBJECTIVE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY WORKS TOWARD THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. IT IS DURING ADOPTION MONTH THAT WE HOPE TO BRING GREATER AWARENESS OF THE NEED FOR ADOPTIVE FAMILIES TO MAKE A DREAM COME TRUE FOR ALL LOCAL FAMILIES AWAITING HOMES. WHEREAS, CHILDREN AWAITING ADOPTION OFTEN NEED DEDICATED, RESOURCEFUL, COMPASSIONATE AND PATIENT CAREGIVERS TO HELP THEM WORK WITH THE DIFFICULTIES IS ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR ADVERSE CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES.

OBSERVING ADOPTION MONTH, WE RECOGNIZE THE VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS OF ADOPTIVE PARENTS WHO FOUND REWARD IN THEIR COMMITMENT OF IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR CHILDREN. WHEREAS, WE MUST REMEMBER ALL THE CHILDREN WHO ARE IN FOSTER CARE WAITING FOR ADOPTION INTO A LOVING AND CARING FAMILY. AND WHEREAS, AS WE GATHER TOGETHER AS A FAMILY, COMMUNITY, STATE AND NATION TO CELEBRATE AND GIVE THANKS FOR OUR MANY BLESSINGS, WE HOPE THAT ALL CHILDREN AWAITING ADOPTION WILL SOON FIND A

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JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA THAT DECEMBER 2021 BE ADOPTION MONTH TO RAISE AWARENESS OF THE IMPORTANCE OF ADOPTION, PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THIS 16TH DAY OF NOVEMBER, 2021.

SIGNED BRANDON J. PATTY, CLERK OF COURT.

SIGNED BY JEREMIAH BLOCKER, CHAIRMAN.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: ANY TIME A FAMILY DECIDES TO ADOPT A CHILD WITH THE ABUNDANCE AND LOVE AND GENEROSITY.

OUT OF THAT LOVE AND GENEROSITY THAT A NEW FAMILY IS BORN AND MOST OF NEWS HERE APPRECIATE HOW IMPORTANT A FAMILY IS.

I WANT TO COMMEND EVERYBODY NOT ONLY THE FAMILIES WHO CHOOSE TO ADOPT BUT THE STAFF THAT FACILITATES THE ADOPTION AND A IMPORTANT THING AND A GREAT BENEFIT TO OUR SOCIETY.

WITH THAT, IT IS MY PLEASURE TO PRESENT JUSTIN AND BETHANY WITH

THIS PROCLAMATION. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

KNOWING THAT KIDS IN OUR COMMUNITY IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO SET ASIDE TIME TO RECOGNIZE THAT.

AND TO REALLY LOOK FOR FAMILIES THAT WILL FIT THE NEEDS OF THESE KIDS. WE ARE FOSTER PARENTS FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS. WE HAVE ADOPTED TWO KIDS FROM THE COUNTY. AND WITHOUT THE HELP OF FIP AND THE SYSTEMS IN OUR COUNTY KNOWING THAT THOSE KIDS WERE IMPORTANT ENOUGH, OUR FAMILY WOULD BE MISSING OUT ON THOSE

KIDS. >> LIKE BETHANY SAID, WE HAVE THREE ADOPTIVE CHILDREN. ONE AN INTERNATIONAL ADOPTION AND TWO FROM THE COUNTIES AND THREE BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN AS WELL. OUR 11-YEAR-OLD CAME TO US WHEN HE WAS ABOUT NINE AND SAID MOM, DAD, GIVES US A HUG -- HE IS THE EMOTER OF THE FAMILY AND EXPRESSING THINGS TO US AND HE SAID THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING US TO BE THE FOSTER CARE FAMILY. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE HAVE EVER DONE. WE ARE A TOTAL WRECK AND HEAR HIM LOUD AND CLEAR IT HAS MEANT A LOT AND AN INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE FOR OUR FAMILY. A NUMBER OF SOCIOLOGISTS SAY ONE WAY TO MEASURE THE HEALTH OF A SOCIETY TO LOOK AT THE WAY THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE TREATED.

IF THAT IS OUR MEASURE STICK, WE WOULD FOR CHILDREN WHO ARE VULNERABLE, CANNOT ADVOCATE FOR THEMSELVES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

FOR US TO SAY WE ARE COMMITTED TO ADOPTION AND THINGS LIKE FOSTER CARE AND REBUILDING FAMILIES LIKE THAT, BEAUTIFUL WAY TO EXPRESS WHAT WE CARE ABOUT AND WHAT IS IMPORTANT AND WHAT WE CARE ABOUT AS A COMMUNITY.

TWO THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO ADD AND JUST BRING TO THE TABLE AROUND ADOPTION, AROUND FOSTER CARE.

NUMBER ONE, WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THAT WORK, THE FOSTER CARE FAMILIES. THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE HAD A NEW JERSEY OF DIFFERENT PLACEMENTS IN FOSTER CARE WHERE WE WERE COMPLETELY OVERWHELMED AND JUST BURIED ALIVE WITH THE NEED OF THESE CHILDREN. THERE IS -- THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THAN SITTING WITH A CHILD WHILE THEY ARE CRYING FOR HOURS FOR THEIR MOM AND DAD WHO IS NOT SAFE FOR THEM TO GO BACK TO, RIGHT. TO SIT WITH THEM AND CONSOLE THEM AND TRY TO HELP THEM FALL ASLEEP AND GET IN YOUR OWN BED AND THINK TO YOURSELF, WHAT CAN WE DO FOR THIS KID? HOW CAN WE BE HERE FOR THIS KID? WE HAVE NO CLUE HOW TO HANDLE THIS.

INCREDIBLY OVERWHELMING AND HARD WORK AND THE PEOPLE DOING THAT WORK NEED ALL THE HELP THEY CAN TO HAVE A WEB OF SUPPORT BEHIND THEM. THESE PEOPLE BEHIND ME ARE INCREDIBLE SAINTS WHO DO THAT WORK.

UNBELIEVABLY OVERWHELMED W WORKLOAD THAT OFTEN GO UNTHANKED. TO CELEBRATE ADOPTION IN NOVEMBER IS TO POINT BACK TO THEM AND TO SAY THANK YO FOR THEM WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE.

THE SECOND THING THAT IS WORTH NOTING HERE A BIT OF A PARADOX WITH EVERY ADOPTION AND WONDERFUL THAT WE WILL CELEBRATE ADOPTION IN NOVEMBER. THERE IS A BIT OF A PARADOX INVOLVED AS WELL. FOR EVERY ADOPTION THAT EXISTS, THE REALITY IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE EXISTED.

WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE FOUND OURSELVES IN A PLACE WHERE A KID NEEDED A HOME OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN HOME.

IT MAKES NO SENSE THAT THERE WOULD BE CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY -- LOOK AT OUR COMMUNITY.

AN INCREDIBLE PLACE TO BE. AN INCREDIBLE PLACE TO LIVE.

IT MAKES NO SENSE THAT THERE WOULD BE A CHILD WHO DOESN'T HAVE A PLACE TO CALL HOME OR SOMEONE TO CALL MOM, DAD, GRANDMA OR GRANDPA. IT MAKES NO SENSE.

TRAGEDIES THAT ARE PREVENTABLE. FOR US TO LOOK AT ADOPTION AND TO CELEBRATE THAT MEANS WE SHOULD IN FACT ACCEPT THE INVITATION OF ADOPTION TO LOOK UPSTREAM AND LOOK AT WHAT SORT OF SYSTEMS AND STRUCTURES ARE PUSHING PEOPLE INTO THIS PLACE

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I LOVE ADOPTION. I AM SO GRATEFUL THE WAY IT HAS SHAPED OUR FAMILY AND WORTH CELEBRATING.

BUT FOR US AN INVITATION TO LOOK UPSTREAM TO THE SYSTEMS AND STRUCTURES THAT PUSH PEOPLE TOWARD NEEDING TO HAVE THEIR CHILDREN REMOVED. POVERTY, ADDICTION, MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE.

FOR US TO CELEBRATE ADOPTION I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AND BEG YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AN INVITATION TO LOOK UPSTREAM TO SUPPORT FAMILIES ALREADY EXISTING INTACT TO NOT NEED ADOPTION.

THAT IS THE PARADOX. WE CELEBRATE ADOPTION AND SO GRATEFUL FOR THE THREE CHILDREN THAT HELPED BUILD OUR FAMILY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE AWARE THAT WE WILL SPEND THE REST OF OUR LIVES EXPLAINING TO THEM WHY THEY HAD TO BE ADO ADOPTED. WHY THEY NEEDED A NEW FAMILY.

WHY THEIR MOM WAS ADDICTED AND JUST SORT OF IN THE THROES OF ADDICTION. WHY THEIR MOM DIED -- ONE OF THEM -- WHY THEIR MOTHER DIED IN LABOR BECAUSE OF POVERTY AND LACK OF ACCESSES TO HEALTH CARE.

THOSE ARE THE SORTS OF THINGS ARE ALWAYS IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND AS ADOPTED PARENTS THAT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW.

ADOPTED PARENTS WANT TO CELEBRATE AND THE BEAUTY AND THIS CHILD BEFORE US BUT A TRAGEDY, INCH WE LOW THE SURFACE, BEHIND THE SCENES THAT WE WILL EXPLAIN TO THESE KIDS FOR THE RES OF THEIR LIVES THAT HARD PART OF IT.

ENCOURAGE YOU TO, YES, CELEBRATE AND TO BE THE IMPETUS AND UPSTREAM TO PREVENT THIS FROM EVER HAVING TO HAPPEN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR CELEBRATING ADOPTION WITH US AND LOOK FOR WAYS TO SUPPORT THESE FOLKS AS WELL AS FOSTER CARE FAMILIES, PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

[Proclamation Recognizing November 2021 as National Hospice and Palliative Care Month]

>> HENRY DEAN: OUR NEXT PROCLAMATION IS RECOGNIZING NOVEMBER AS NATIONAL HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE MONTH.

LET ME ASK THE STAFF, WAS SOMEONE ABLE TO JOIN US? I WASN'T SURE. OKAY, THIS MORNING WE ARE GOING TO HAVE HER READ THE PROCLAMATION INTO THE RECORD AND PRESENT IT AT A LATER TIME TO THE PALLIATIVE CARE GROUP.

>> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS, HAVEN HAVE PROVIDE COMFORT AND DIGNITY TO THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN NORTH FLORIDA ALLOWING THEM TO LIVE THEIR LAST MONTHS, WEEKS AND DAYS COMFORTABLY WITH THE PEOPLE THEY LOVE.

WHEREAS, BEYOND PROVIDING PHYSICAL TREATMENT, HAVEN ATTENDS TO THE PATIENT'S EMOTIONAL, SPIRITUAL AND FAMILY NEEDS AND PROVIDES SERVICES LIKE RESPITE CARE AND BEREAVEMENT COUNSELING. HAVEN PROVIDES COMMUNITY-BASE $PALLIATIVE CARE THAT HAVE EXPERTISE FOR RELIEF FOR PAIN AND CAN BE PROVIDED AT ANY TIME DURING AN ILLNESS.

WHEREAS, AN INCREASINGLY FRAGMENTED BROKEN CARE SYSTEM, HOSPICE IS ONE OF THE FEW SECTORS THAT DEMONSTRATE HOW HEALTH CARE CAN AND SHOULD WORK AT ITS BEST FOR ITS PATIENTS.

WHEREAS EACH YEAR 1.5 MILLION AMERICANS LIVING WITH LIFE-LIMITING ILLNESS AND THEIR FAMILIES RECEIVED CARE FROM THE NATION'S HOSPICE PROGRAMS AND COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, INCLUDING HAVEN. WHEREAS, THE CENTERS FOR MEDICARE AND MEDICAID SERVICES HAVE PLEDGED TO PUT PATIENTS FIRST IN ALL ITS PROGRAMS INCLUDING HOSPICE, ENSURING A COORDINATED AND PATIENT-LED APPROACH TO CARE, PATIENT CHOICE AND INDIVIDUALIZED SERVICES BASE $ON A UNIQUE NEEDS. NOW, THEREFORE, IT BE PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THAT NOVEMBER 2021 BE DESIGNATED AT NATIONAL HOSPICE AND PALLIATIVE CARE MONTH, ENCOURAGING STEARNS TO INCREASE THEIR UNDERSTANDING AND AWARENESS OF THE END OF LIFE, DISCUSS THEIR END OF LIFE WISHES WITH THEIR FAMILY AND OBSERVE THIS MONTH WITH APPROPRIATE ACTIVITIES AND PROGRAMS. PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 16TH DAY OF 2021.

CLERK OF COURT, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, JEREMIAH J. BLOCKER, CHAIRMAN.

[Proclamation Recognizing Menendez Park]

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ANYONE OF YOU HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BY MENENDEZ PARK, THIS IS A RICH CULTURAL COMMUNITY HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE ARE SO HONORED TO HAVE THEM HERE AND RECOGNIZE THEM. SO HAVE YOU COME HERE.

ALL RIGHT. >> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA.

WHEREAS, THE MENENDEZ PARK NEIGHBORHOOD NESTLED BETWEEN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH IS ONE OF THE EARLIEST SUBDIVISIONS ON ANASTACIA ISLAND DATING BACK TO 1984 IN THE BRIDGE OF LIONS. AND MENENDEZ PARK CAN BE TRACED BACK TO THE 17TH CENTURY WHERE SPANISH SETTLERS USED IN MANY OF ST. AUGUSTINE STRUCTURES, MOAT NOTABLY THE CASTILLO DE SAN MARCOS. AND LOCATED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE TANGIBLE LINKS TO THE SPANISH COLONIAL WEIRD AND COQUINA INCLUDING RUINS OF SPANISH BARRACKS THAT HOUSED THE OVERSEER, MASTER MASONS AND STONE CUTTERS WHO WERE INVOLVED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CASTILLO DE SAN MARCOS.

RUINS AS A PUBLIC PARTY BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY COUNTY INCLUDE THE OLD SPANISH CHIMNEY AND WELL, WHICH ARE TWO OF ONLY A FEW COLONIAL HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT SURVIVED OUTSIDE THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. AND WHEREAS, MENENDEZ PARK IS HISTORICALLY RELEVANT AND REPRESENTS OLD FLORIDA, CARVED OUT OF A MARITIME HAMMOCK WITH LIVE OAKS AND SPANISH MOSS OVERHANGING ITS STREETS BO BORDERED ON THE WEST BY FLORIDA A1A AND ANASTACIA STATE PARK AND THE ATLANTIC OCEAN.

NOW, THEREFORE, IT BE PROCLAIMED BY THE BOX OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. THAT MENENDEZ PARK NEIGHBORHOOD BE RECOGNIZED FOR HISTORICAL ATTRIBUTES AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE. PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY.BOARD OF COUNTY COMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, 16TH DAY OF NOVEMBER, 2021.

BRANDON PADDY, AND JERIAMIAH J. BLOCKER, CHAIRMAN.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: AN HONOR TO PRESENT THIS ON BEHALF OF 9 BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS HONORED BY THIS PROCLAMATION THAT RECOGNIZES THE UNIQUE QUALITIES OF THE MENENDEZ PARK NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALREADY HAS BEEN SPOKEN OF IN THE PROCLAMATION.

THE LINK TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S HISTORICAL PASS OF THE COQUINO YOU QUARRY AND THE BUILDING OF MANY AUGUST STRUCTURES.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NAMED FOR PEDRO DE LA VELEZ.

THE NAMES OF MANY OF OUR STREETS REFLECT THE SPANISH BACKGROUND WORK. AND ALREADY SPOKEN OF THE OLD SPANISH CHIMNEY OF THE FOR FOREMAN'S HOUSE AND ARE TANGIBLE LINKS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S HISTORY.

AS ONE OF THE OLDEST NEIGHBORHOODS INKIN ST. JOHNS, MENENDEZ PARK IS HOME TO ABOUT 200 HOUSEHOLDS.

BORDERED ON THE WEST BY A1A AND ON THE EAST BY ANASTACIA STATE PARK AND THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. WE ENJOY THE MARITIME FOREST AND THE PEACEFUL ENVIRONMENT. PEOPLE WALK DOGS, RIDE BIKES AND WORK IN THEIR GARDENS. CHILDREN PLAY AND HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDS. PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO SAY HELLO TO NEIGHBORS. SOME NEW, OTHERS LIFE-LONG RESIDENTS. WE HOPE THIS RECOGNITION WILL HELP US OF TODAY'S STEWARDS OF THIS IMPORTANT TRACT OF LAN WE STRIVE TO HONOR AND PRESERVE HISTORY TO MAINTAIN STRONG SENSE OF COMMUNITY TO MAKE MENENDEZ PARK THRIVE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR RECOGNITION OF OUR UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

[Proclamation Recognizing November 17-19 as Sapna Foundation Entercircle Entrepreneurship Week at “the link”]

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>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SO COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND I WILL DO THIS ONE TOGETHER. WITH WE HAVE CAPRI AND MELISSA COME FORWARD. RECOGNIZING NOVEMBER 17-19 SAPNA FOUNDATION ENTERCIRCLE ENTREPRENEURSHIP WEEK AT THE LINK. ED GOOD MORNING.

>> PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS IN NOVEMBER 2021, RAGU AND PRI STARTED SAPNA FOUNDATION ENTERCIRCLE ENTREPRENEURSHIP WEEK AT THE COUNTY AND SAPNA THAT FOUNDATION CHOSE NOVEMBER 17-19 AS A SUMMIT TO GLOBAL ENTREPRENEURIALSHIP DAY ON NOVEMBER 8 AND WOMEN'S ENTREPRENEURIAL DAY ON NOVEMBER 19.

AND WHEREAS, ENTERCIRCLE WILL BRING TOGETHER ENTREPRENEURS AND SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS TO CREATE CREATIVITY AND SPARK IDEAS FOR THE NEXT GREAT BUSINESS VEN VENTURE. WHEREAS SAPNA THAT FOUNDATION LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE TO GROW THE INCIDENTERCIRCLE SUMMIT AT THE LINK FOR YEARS TO COME.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, NOVEMBER 17-19, 2021 DESIGNATED AS SAPNA FOUNDATION ENTERCIRCLE ENTREPRENEURSHIP WEEK AT THE LINK.

PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 16TH DAY OF NOVEMBER 2021, JOINED BRANDON J. PADDY, CLERK OF COURTS, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, JEREMIAH J. BLOCKER, CHAIRMAN.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: GREAT HONOR TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU.

>> THIS HAS BEEN QUITE A JOURNEY.

I REMEMBER BACK IN AUGUST WHEN WE WERE ACTUALLY ONLY TWO MONTHS INTO THE OPERATIONS AT THE LINK.

TO CELEBRATE WOMEN'S ENTREPRENEURIAL WEEK.

AND STARTED WITH THAT TALK, BUT BECAUSE LINK ENCOURAGES EVERYBODY TO BE AT THE PLATFORM FOR THE ENTREPRENEURIALSHIP, WE EXTENDED IT TO YOUTH, SMALL BUSINESS START-UPS.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THREE DAYS DESIGNATED FOR ENCOURAGING ENTREPRENEURIALSHIP IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

SAPNA THAT FOUNDATION IS ST STRIVING TO BRING DEVELOPMENT.

VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE COUNTY TO BE ENCOURAGING US, SUPPORTING US AND HELPING EN ENTERCIRCLE 2021.

AND WE WORK HARD IN SUPPORT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND OTHER COMMUNITY AND BUSINESSES TO HAVE THIS ANNUAL CONFERENCE EVERY YEAR WHICH WILL BECOME A PLATFORM FOR ENTREPRENEURIALSHIP FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, START-UPS TO TH THRIVE, TO BRING NEW IDEAS, TO ENCOURAGE INNOVATION HUB WITH WHICH THE LINK WAS ACTUALLY -- THE CONCEPT OF INNOVATION AT THE LINK WAS -- WAS THE ORIGINAL IDEA OF WHY LINK WAS PLANNED. SO WE ARE VERY HAPPY THAT THE FIRST ENTERCIRCLE 2021 IS TAKING SHAPE AND WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE IT FROM TOMORROW THROUGH THE 19TH -- TOMORROW WE ARE DOING YOUTH SYMPOSIUM.

ON THE 18TH CELEBRATE SMALL BUSINESSES AND START-UPS.

ON THE 19TH WHICH I AM VERY, VERY PROUD OF THE WOMEN'S ENTREPRENEURIALSHIP DAY. THE FOUNDER WANTED TO BE HERE BUT HE COULDN'T BECAUSE ALL OF OUR TEAM IS VERY -- WORKING VERY HARD TO MAKE THIS EN ENTERCIRCLE 2021 SUCCESSFUL.

I AM VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE AND LOOKING FORWARD TO AS MUCH

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OUR GREAT SPONSOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND TRUIST, WE HAVE MADE THIS SUMMIT FREE OF CHARGE. A FREE EVENT.

PLEASE COME. PLEASE BE PART OF THIS GREAT EVENT AND LET'S HAVE THIS GREAT ENTREPRENEURIALSHIP PLATFORM GOING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> HENRY DEAN: CAN WE HAVE A

[Acceptance of Proclamations]

[Public Safety Update]

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> HENRY DEAN: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THE PROCLAMATIONS, SAY AYE.

THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NOW WE ARE READY FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY REPORT. GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. ON BEHALF OF SHERIFF ROBBY H HARWICK AND 900 PLUS EMPLOYEES OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLOCKER FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND SERVICE OVER THE PAST YEAR. PHENOMENAL JOB.

CONGRATULATIONS CHAIRMAN DEAN AND VICE-CHAIR WHITEHURST.

IT IS A LOT OF WORK. WE APPRECIATE IT.

COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR MR. CONRAD AND THE COMMISSION, LISTEN, WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT, THE LEADERSHIP THAT YOU ALWAYS PROVIDED TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

AND THE HARD DECISIONS AND UNPOPULAR DECISIONS YOU MAKE, IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THE BEST OF THE BEST TO OUR COUNTY TO PROTECT AND SERVE PROVIDES OUR MEN AND WOMEN WITH THE BEST EQUIPMENT TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE AS WELL.

AD WE CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR THAT SUPPORT.

IT MEANS A LOT TO US AT OUR AGENCY.

AS WE MOVE INTO THE HOLIDAY SEASON, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THIS YEAR WILL BE A LOT BUSIER THAN LAST YEAR AT LEAST.

WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. I WANT OUR CITIZENS AND VIS VISITORS TO BE VERY VIGILANT DURING THE SEASON AS THEY TRAVEL THE ROADS. THEY ARE ALREADY BUSY.

THEY ARE GOING TO GET BUSIER. ESPECIALLY AROUND 16 AND 95, THE OUTLET MALLS AROUND DURBIN. THE 312 CORRIDOR.

IT IS GOING TO INCREASE WITH TRAFFIC, HOLIDAY SHOPPERS AND TRAVELERS. WE WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE BEST SERVICE POSSIBLE USING THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY AND DIFFERENT PATROL TECHNIQUES. YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE SOME OF OUR NEW BIKE UNIT OUT IN THE MORE CONGESTED AREAS.

THEY CAN GET AROUND A LITTLE BETTER AND HANDLE SITUATIONS FASTER. YOU MAY ALSO -- IF YOU ARE LUCKY ENOUGH, SEE OUR NEW MOUNTED UNIT, JACKSON.

AT AND ABOUT. IF YOU HAPPEN TO SEE JACKSON, WALK UP AND SAY HELLO TO HIM. HE IS QUITE AN ANIMAL.

AN AMAZING ANIMAL AS WELL. ALSO, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE CITIZENS TO GET OUT AND VISIT AND SHOP, SUPPORT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. WE ARE HERE FOR YOU TO PROTECT TO YOU MAKE SURE YOUR SHOPPING EXPERIENCE IS THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE, AS WELL AS WANT TO UPDATE FROM OUR CORRECTIONS FACILITY IS WE CONTINUE TO PUSH OUR REUNIFICATION PROGRAM OUT AND ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES IN THE COUNTY TO COME OUT AND INTERVIEW THE PEOPLE THAT ARE READY TO RETURN TO SOCIETY AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO BETTER THEMSELVES AND WITH T THAT, I WILL TAKE ANY QUES QUESTIONS.

>> HENRY DEAN: ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR.

>> ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU, Y' Y'ALL.

HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

CHIEF, WELCOME. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

I AM GOING TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT THIS MORNING -- MAYBE NOT A LITTLE DIFF DIFFERENT, BUT IT IS DIFFERENT.

BACK NOVEMBER 5-7, WE EXPERIENCED A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT NORTHEASTERN STORM. SO WHEN YOU TALK OF FIRE RESCUE AND TALK ABOUT FIRES AND EMS, A LOT OF WHAT WE DO.

AND WE ALSO DO MARINE RESCUE. I HAVE A COUPLE OF STATISTICS THAT I THINK ARE SIGNIFICANT AND DONE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY MARINE UNIT AND OUR PRIMARY UNITS.

WE HAD A TOTAL OF 11 VESSEL CALLS DURING THAT STORM.

MULTIPLE SAILBOATS IN THE BAY AREA DOWNTOWN BROKE LOOSE.

FIVE OF THOSE MADE CONTACT WITH THE BRIDGE ALLIANCE.

AND I DID TALK TO THE CHIEF WHO WAS OUT THERE 4:30 THAT

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AND I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO LIGHT.

AND TAKE A MINUTE OF THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THOSE THREE AGENCIES. THEY RISK THEIR LIVES THAT WEEKEND TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE WAS HURT AND NOBODY WAS INJURED AND WE GOT EVERYBODY RESCUED OFF OF THE BOATS THAT NEEDED TO BE RESCUED OFF THE BOAT.

ONE MADE THE NEWS THAT YOU SHOWED ON THE SIDE.

ALMOST SUNKEN. THEY SAVED THE BOAT.

THEY GOT ALL THE FAMILY AND THE ANIMALS OFF THE BOAT AND WE MADE MULTIPLE RESCUES, BUT A VERY SIGNIFICANT EVENT, DIFFERENT WHEN WE HAVE A TROPICAL STORM.THAT COMES THROUGH BECAUSE LASTED FOR SO MANY HOURS, FRIDAY NIGHT, SATURDAY, SATURDAY NIGHT, INTO SUNDAY MAKING RESCUES.

[Clerk of Court's Report]

>> HENRY DEAN: QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, CHIEF.

APPRECIATE YOU. OKAY.

WE WILL NOW HAVE THE CLERK OF COURT REPORT.

BRANDON BRANDON, I SAW HIM EARLIER.

I GUESS HE HAD TO LEAVE. YES, MA'AM.

>> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

NEAL SERVICE THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE TOPIC TRENDING ACROSS THE NATION AND GLOBALLY. FRAUD AWARENESS WEEK IS OBSERVED ACROSS THE NATION AND GLOBALLY NOVEMBER 14 THROUGH NOVEMBER 20. AS SUCH, THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL ON BEHALF OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CLERK OF THE COURTS HAVE INITIATED A FRAUD CAMPAIGN.

THE PURPOSE OF THE CAMPAIGN IS TO EDUCATE AND RAISE AWARENESS.

THE CAMPAIGN LENDS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE MEA MEANINGFUL INFORMATION TO THE EMPLOYEES AND RESIDENTS OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY SUCH AS THE DEFINITION OF FRAUD, EXAMPLES AND HOW TO REPORT FRAUD. FRAUD IS DESIGNED AS AN INTENTIONAL ACT OF DECEIVING SOMEONE, AN INDIVIDUAL, A COMPANY OR AN EMPLOYER. AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY, IT CAN BE AN EMPLOYEE AT ANY LEVEL WITHIN ANY COUNTY PROGRAM OR RESOURCES UNDER ITS JURISDICTION. THIS DECEIT IS TO SECURE IN UNLAWFUL AND UNFAIR GAME. AND FRAUD HAS MANY FACES.

IT IS NOT ONLY FINANCIAL, IT ALSO INCLUDES IDENTITY THEFT, VOTER FRAUD, HEALTH CARE FRAUD AND MANY OTHERS.

DID YOU KNOW THAT THE PONZI SCHEME WAS NAMED AFTER CHARLES PONZI THAT DEFRAUDED BANKS OF $20 MILLION IN 1920.

THE INFAMOUS BERNIE MADOFF, PONZI SCHEME AND THE EN RON SCANDAL AND THE INFORMATION ALLIANCE ADDRESSING GUARDIANSHIP FRAUD. AND COME IN ANY OTHER WAYS PHISHING ATTACKS FROM E-MAILS AND CALLS FROM UNKNOWN NUMBERS PROVIDING A VARIETY OF METHODS SOLICITEDING PERSONAL, PRIVATE INFORMATION. HOW CAN THE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE CLERK OF THE COURT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY RAISE AWARENESS? POSTERS AND RACK CARDS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION AND INSIGHT RELATED TO FRAUD.

I PROVIDED THAT TO YOU IN ADVANCE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT OUR CAMPAIGN IS LIKE. COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, HUMAN RESOURCES WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF FACILITIES IS PLACING THE RACK CARDS AND POSTERS IN THE AREA WHERE EMPLOYEES TYPICALLY CONGREGATE. THEY COULD BE NOTICE BOARDS, LUNCH ROOMS, WATER COOLER AND THE LIKE.

WHAT INFORMATION IS PROVIDED IN THE POSTERS AND RACK CARDS.

IT TALKS ABOUT CONFIDENTIALITY. RIGHT.

WE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION, WE ADDRESS IT AND IT IS CONFIDENTIAL. AND THE ABILITY AND OPPORTUNITY TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS, IF DESIRED.

CONTACT INFORMATION. WHO DO YOU CALL? WE HAVE A HOTLINE UNDER THE CLERK'S OFFICE 866 MACHINE 2 272-3451. WHO CAN YOU E-MAIL? WE HAVE AN E-MAIL SPECIFICALLY FOR FRAUD, FWA@STJOHNCLERK.COM.

A QR LINK. A DIRECT ACCESS LINK, YOU SCAN IT FROM YOUR SMARTPHONE AND TAKES YOU TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CLERK OF COURT INSPECTOR GENERAL TAB AND PREFILLABLE FORMS. FILL IN THE INFORMATION.

IT AUTOMATICALLY SENDS IT OVER TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL.

AND WE RECEIVE IT AND WE ADDRESS IT.

MORE IMPORTANTLY AND EASILY ACCESSIBLE IS INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CLERK OF THE COURT WEB SITE UNDER THE INSPECTOR GENERAL TABITHA FINDS FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE POLICY.

IT. FRAUD RELATED ACTIVITY OVER THE E-MAIL AND THE WEB. ALL ARE RECEIVED AND ADDRESSED FOR POTENTIAL FRAUD. I HOPE YOU HAVE FOUND THIS

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[Deletions to Consent Agenda]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

>> HENRY DEAN: NOW WE ARE READY TO MOVE INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND I WILL ASK IF THERE ARE ANY DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AG AGENDA.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: NONE,

MR. CHAIR. >> PAUL WALDRON: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NUMBER 7, 8 AND 9 PULLED TO A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.

>> HENRY DEAN: WE WILL PULL --S IN THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON 7, 8 AND 9, I WILL PULL THOSE 7, 8, 9 TO FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: NONE, SIR.

>> HENRY DEAN: AND I HAVE NONE.

SO WITH THAT WITH THE AMENDMENT OF PULLING 7, 8 AND 9 -- LET'S

DO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD REQUEST THAT ITEM NUMBER 27 BE PULLED FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.

THAT IS THE FLORIDA DOH ANNUAL CONTRACT AND LEASE.

>> HENRY DEAN: GOT IT. RIGHT NOW --

>> I NEED TO GET YOUR COMPUTER WORKING.

>> HENRY DEAN: SOMEBODY TURN ON THE COMPUTER? I FORGOT HOW. MAYBE I NEVER LEARNED.

7, 8, 9 AND 27 WILL BE PULLED FOR A FUTURE MEETING.

WITH THAT WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT --

>> MR. CHAIR -- >> HENRY DEAN: PUBLIC COMMENT

IS ONLY FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> ADDITIONALLY, MR. CHAIR -- SORRY ABOUT THAT, COMMISSIONER, TO REQUEST AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. A PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT NO LONGER APPLICABLE, ON HOLD FOR THE BOARD'S APPROVAL TODAY AND NO LONGER APPLICABLE AND THE REMAINDER OF THE ITEMS.

>> HENRY DEAN: ANY OTHER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS WISHING TO BE PULLED? NONE? OKAY. WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ONLY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE UNDERSTANDING WE ARE PULLING 7, 8, 9, 11 AND 27 FOR A FUTURE MEETING.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, WILL YOU RUN THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: WELLING NOW OPEN UP PUBLIC

COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> BJ KA LADY.

YOU ARE DOING VERY WELL, MR. WHITEHURST.

THAT BUTTON IS VERY IMPORTANT. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: TRIAL

BY FIRE, MISS KALADY. >> I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT 7, 8, 9 AND 11 WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY AND WILL BE HEARD AT

ANOTHER MEETING? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> NUMBER 11 WILL NOT BE HEARD IN THE FUTURE. THAT AGREEMENT.

[Approval of Consent Agenda]

>> HENRY DEAN: DEFINITELY NOT BE HEARD TODAY AND EVEN IN THE

FUTURE. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIR, BACK TO

YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: A MOTION TO

APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND AS AMENDED. >> HENRY DEAN: AS AMENDED WITH THOSE ITEMS WE HAVE PULLED. SO EVERYONE IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING AS AMENDED THE CONSENT AGENDA, SAY AYE.

THAT IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, NOW, LET'S GO TO THE REGULAR AGENDA AND NOTHING TO ADD TO THE REGULAR AGENDA FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. EVERYTHING WAS JUST PULLED.

ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA? ING AND I WILL START WITH COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: NONE. >> PAUL WALDRON: NONE, MR.

[1. Public Hearing * DRIMOD 2021-04 St. Augustine Centre]

[2. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2021-09 St. Augustine Centre.]

CHAIRMAN. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: NONE,

MR. CHAIRMAN. >> HENRY DEAN: WE ARE READY TO COMMENCE WITH THE REGULAR AGENDA AND WE ARE READY TO TAKE

UP ITEM 1. >> AND MR. CHAIR, ITEMS NUMBER 1 AND 2 WILL BE HEARD TOGETHER. THEY ARE BOTH QUASI JUDICIAL, SO IF THE BOARD HAS ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, THE BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD DISCLOSE IT AT THIS TIME.

>> HENRY DEAN: WHAT WE ARE DOING NEXT BEFORE WE BEGIN WITH THE APPLICANT BEING QUASI JUDICIAL, WE, AS COMMISSIONERS, HAVE TO DECLARE WHAT EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WE HAD WITH ANYONE, INCLUDING THE APPL APPLICANT, CITIZENS, ANYONE WHO WISHES TO -- WHO HAS MET WITH US.

START WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, ANY EX-PARTE

DECLARATIONS ON ITEMS 1 OR 2? >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO FROM EX-PARTE. I MET WITH -- THERE IT IS JUST IN THE NICK OF TIME. I MET WITH AKIVA ELEZARI AND

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THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, ALSO ON ITEMS 1 AND 2 ON NOVEMBER 4 AT 3:30, I MET WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND AKIVA ELIZERY AND THE TRANSITION FROM THE EXISTING OUTLET MALL TO A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND WE ADDRESSED THINGS SUCH AS TRAFFIC AND ANY OTHER ISSUES INVOLVING THE BRO POSED 3 350-UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX.

AND COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> PAUL WALDRON: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN, ON THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 4 AT 12:30, I MET WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND AKIVA ELAZARI. AND WE DISCUSSED THE PROJECT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE MIXED USE.

WE DISCUSSEDISH EWES AND THE TROUBLE THAT OUTLET MALLS ARE HAVING ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST AND ESPECIALLY IN GEORGIA AND TALK OF THE ISSUES THEY ARE HAVING WITH INDOOR MALLS ALSO AND WHAT THE CHANGES WOULD BE AND THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME COMMERCIAL COME TOGETHER ALREADY COMMERCIAL AREA THERE BY FORD AND HARLEY DAVIDSON SHOP THERE AND FUTURE HOSPITAL.

THAT'S IT. >> HENRY DEAN: MR. BLOCKER.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I DID MEET ON THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 4, AT APPROXIMATELY 1:30 WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH, AND MR. AKIVA ELZERI.

WE MENTIONED THE SCOPE AND THE RESIDENTS AND SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE CHALLENGES AND DISCUSSED IN LENGTH OF THE ECONOMIC CHALLENGES OF OUTLET MALLS AND SOME OF THE ONGOING ECONOMICS OF THIS ISSUE. THAT IS ALL I HAVE, SIR.

>> HENRY DEAN: THAT COMPLETES EX-PARTE DECLARATIONS.

NOW THE APPLICANT. >> GOOD MORNING TO YOU NEW MR. CHAIRMAN AND NEW MR. VICE-CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEM MEMBERS. WITH ME -- I AM ELLEN AVERY SMITH. WETSTONE PLACE IN ST. AUGU AUGUSTINE. WITH ME TODAY AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER AKIVA ELIZARI, LI LIGHTSTONE PARTNERS.

THEY ARE WITH ST. AUGUSTINE OUTLETS OR THE EAST OUTLET MALL MEANING EAST OF I-95. LINDSEY HAGA FROM ENGLAND, T TIMES AND MILLER AND JEFF HAMMOND OUR PROJECT FROM ENGLAND IN CASE WE NEED TO GET INTO THEIR EXPERTISE.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND -- HOPEFULLY THIS DOESN'T CLICK AGAIN THAT YOU SEE I-95 -- OH, SORRY.

I CLICKED ONE TOO MANY TIMES. I APOLOGIZE.

THE OUTLET MALL. TALKING OF THE OUTLET MALL ON THE EAST SIDE OF I-95 AT STATE ROAD 16.

YOU SEE THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE GROWTH PATTERNS, AS WELL AS THE PRESERVATION AREAS OUT IN THAT 12-MILE SWAMP AND TO THE ST. JOHNS'S RIVER. THE ST. AUGUSTINE RIDE, AND ST. AUGUSTINE PUD. THE MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOLLOWED THAT PROPERTY AND DESIGNATED THAT SINCE 1990, APPROXIMATELY. THE OUTLET MALL DRI AND PUD IS THE ST. AUGUSTINE DRI AND PUD. EARLIER THIS YEAR IN VACANT PARCEL OWNED BY AN AFFILIATE OF LPV WAS SOLD TO BAPTIST MEDICAL CENTER AFTER THIS BOARD APPROVED IT FOR MEDICAL CENTER USES. A LITTLE HISTORY HOW LONG THIS DRI WAS GOING ON ORIGINATED IN 1997.

IT HAS BEEN AMENDED SEVERAL TIME.

THE PUD WAS LAST, AGAIN, APPROVED -- OR APPROVED FOR MODIFICATION AS ORDINANCE 2 2021-11 THAT ADDED SQUARE FEET OF MEDICAL USE. AND THEN WE ALSO ALLOW OUR -- IN THAT PROCESS OF-TO-GET CONFIRMATION LETTERS THAT THAT LAND USE AND ZONING AS WELL AS THE HOSPITAL USE WAS ALLOWED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT ON THAT PROPERTY AND STATUTORILY EXEMPT FROM THE DRI REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN EFFECT TODAY.

SO TODAY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY THE PROPERTY OWNED BY LVP. IT IS CURRENTLY TITLED FOR 115,000 SQUARE-FEET OF OUTLET MALL RETAIL.

THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE ANALYSIS OF CONVERTING LAND USES UNDER A DRI, IT IS DONE WITH

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THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE LAND USE CONVERSION AND DRI.

AND THAT IS IN THE DOCUMENT FOR YOUR REVIEW.

AND THEN GOING INTO THE COMPANION PUD, WHICH ALSO REFLECTS THE CONVERSION OF U USES.

THE IDEA IS TO ADD A MULTIFAMILY HERE.

SO YOU SEE OUTLET MALL BOULEVARD ANDMENT EXISTING R ROADWAY NETWORK. THE IDEA FOR THE MULTIFAMILY TO HAVE ITS OWN ACCESS INTO THE BACK.

IT WILL FACE THE POND BACK H HERE.

AND IT WILL BE SURROUNDED BY THE GENERAL RETAIL WHICH CAN INCLUDE RESTAURANTS, GENERAL RETAIL SHOPS, THAT KIND OF A THING. AND ALSO INCLUDE MEDICAL OFFICE AND THINGS TO COMPLEMENT BAPTIST MEDICAL CENTER THAT WILL BE RIGHT ACROSS THE GREET RIGHT HERE -- ACROSS THE GREET RIGHT HERE. THE IDEA OF THE PUD FOR HEIGHT, SETBACKS AND ALL IN THE PUD TEXT.

THE COLORIZED VERSION OF 14 AND A HALF ACRES SLATED FROM MULTIFAMILY 350 UNITS AND THEN, AGAIN, THE OUTLET -- I AM SORRY THE NONOUTLET THE REGULAR RETAIL ALONG OUTLET CENTER DRIVE AND OUTLET BOULEVARD. THE NAME OF THE ROADS WON'T BE CHANGED EVEN THOUGH THERE WON'T BE AN OUTLET THERE.

GOING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE BUILDING HEIGHT WITHIN THIS AREA WILL BE 60 FEET.

FRONT YARD, SIDE YARD AND REAR YARD SETBACKS ARE KNOWN.

MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE ISR 75% AND MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE BY BUILDING IS 60%. AGAIN, TRANSPORTATION IS A CONVERSION OF TRINS BASED ON THE DRI.

WE ALSO HAVE A LETTER FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITY THAT THEY HAVE CAPACITY TO SERVE THIS PROJECT WHICH WILL, AGAIN, BE A REDEVELOPMENT. THE STORMWATER PROVIDED THROUGH A MASTER STORMWATER, AND THE DRI HAS A PUD AND A MASTER PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION TO DO THINGS LIKE TAKE CARE OF THE ROADS, STORMWATER SYSTEMS AND THAT KIND OF A THING FOR THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES BOZART FORD AND THE CADILLAC AND OTHER BUSINESSES OUT THERE.

AGAIN WE MET WITH THE PZA A MONTH AGO.

AND THEY HAVE AN UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION TO YOU OF APPROVAL AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THE DRI AND PUD MODIFICATIONS FOR THIS PROJECT AND WE HAVE OUR EXPERT TO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME FOR THE BOARD.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON. WALINGZ WALDRON I HAVE ONE.

GO BACK THE MOA TAKING OVER THE ROADS AND SHOW WHICH ROADS THEY

WILL BE TAKING CARE OF? >> RIGHT NOW I WILL GO BACK TO THE MAP. THE DRI BOUNDARY IN THE YELLOW.

OUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY IS THIS. THERE IS A MASTER PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATION THAT OWNS THIS ROAD,D THIS ROAD, THAT MASTER PROPERTY OWNER -- THOSE ROADS ARE MAINTAINED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.

SO ARE THE PONDS. THAT'S WHY WE ARE TALKING OF THE MASTER INFRASTRUCTURE IS PAID FOR OUTSIDE OF THE CO

COUNTY'S PURVIEW, IF YOU WILL. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: YES.

>> PAUL WALDRON: I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COUNTY

ACKNOWLEDGED THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: NO MORE QUESTIONS?

WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: AT THIS TIME OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AN AGENDA ITEMS 1 AND 2. AS YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

WE ARE NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. HEALTH HE SHALL STIDWELL MOORS LANE. I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION YOU ARE SPEAKING OF WITH THE 350 UNITS.

A SPECTACULAR SPOT FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNTY TO PUT THROUGH IN THE NEAR FUTURE. I WAS WONDERING DID I MISS HOW PERCENTAGE OF THIS WILL BE WORK FORCE HOUSING IN THIS

DEVELOPMENT? >> HENRY DEAN: YOU MIGHT ASK THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THAT WHEN WE ARE DONE.

>> SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: ASK THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THAT WHEN WE ARE DONE WITH PUBLIC COM COMMENT. AFTER WE FINISH PUBLIC COMMENT, I WILL ASK THE APPLICANT IF SHE WILL ADDRESS THAT.

>> THAT WILL BE HELPFUL AND TOUGH IN YOUR PLANS TO DO WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THE BEST LOCATION THAT THERE IS AND

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PLEASE CONSIDER IT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MISS STEADWELL. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS 1 AND 2. IF NOT, WE ARE CLOSED FOR

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> HENRY DEAN: WILL YOU CARE TO COMMENT ON THE ISSUE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

>> IN PROJECT WILL BE MARKET RATE HOUSING BUT NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNDER THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING,"IT IS MARKET RATE HOUSING WHICH WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE OF VARIOUS INCOMES LIKE FIRE FIGHTERS AND TEACHERS AND THAT KIND OF A THING AS WELL AS THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

>> HENRY DEAN: AS AN ASIDE, WE APPROVED THREE DIFFERENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS WITHIN THE PAST YEAR IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. I THINK THAT IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR US AS A COMMISSION. AND WE HAVE MOVED AHEAD ON THREE PROJECTS, RAVEN WOOD, VICTORIA CROSSING AND STOKES LANDING. I AM GLAD WE ARE MOVING AHEAD WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THANK YOU.

IF THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT, THESE TWO ITEMS --

>> YOU ARE GOING TO TOO FAST -- [INAUDIBLE]

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: SIR, WE ARE CLOSED FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> YOU WENT TOO FAST FOR ME.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.

>> HENRY DEAN: WE WILL ENTERTAIN YOUR THOUGHTS.

I AM GOING TO LITTLE FATHER. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> FOR ALL YOU DONE THE PAST FOR THE COUNTRY.

MY NAME IS ROY. I LIVE AT -- I-16 TWO MILES DOWN FROM THE MALL -- BOTH OF THOSE MALLS.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TODAY PERTAINS TO THE MALL AND WHAT IS GOING ON THERE. I KNOW WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE MALL. YOU WILL HAVE CONSTRUCTION -- THE THREE - YEAR CONSTRUCTION OF 95, 16 INTERCHANGE THERE THAT WILL ADD MORE CONSTRUCTION AND MORE PROBLEMS WITH SAFETY IN THE AREA IS WHAT YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE.

GETTING OUT THERE IS ALREADY BAD ENOUGH CONGESTION WITH THE CARS GOING THROUGH TRYING TO GET THROUGH TO 95.

OTHER THING IS THAT WITH -- IF -- IF THIS BALL HAD BEEN -- THIS MALL HAD BEEN BUILT BEFORE WITH A STORE LIKE WINN-DIXIE OR HARDEE'S AND OTHER GROCERY STORE -- YOU WOULD NOT BE CLOSE NAG MALL, THE INDOOR MALL, IF THE COUNTY HAD MADE SURE SOMETHING WAS BUILT FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA DRIVE FOUR MILES EITHER WAY TO GET TO THE GROCERY -- I RECOMMEND WHEN YOU BUILD THIS MALL YOU GET AN OUTLET WITH A GROCERY STORE IN THAT AREA SOMEWHERE RIGHT THERE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA BECAUSE BUILDING NEW CONSTRUCTION ON 16.

THIS WILL ADD ANOTHER CONSTRUCTION FOR RESIDENTS -- RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION ABOUT TWO MILES DOWN 16, SOUTH OF 16.

PLUS THIS HERE WILL ADD MORE PEOPLE IN THE AREA.

THEY REALLY NEED SOMETHING LIKE A WINN-DIXIE AND AREA THERE THAT -- A NOT DIRECTLY IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AT LEAST IN THAT AREA SO PEOPLE WON'T HAVE TO DRIVE SO FAR AND GOING ACROSS THIS CONSTRUCTION AREA GOING TO THE MALL -- GOING TO GROCERY STORES AND SO FORTH. THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION.

THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION I WILL BE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THAT AREA AND LARGE DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTS TO NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE ANY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO BE BUSSED IN THERE TO STAY IN THAT FACILITY BECAUSE LOOK AT THE CRIME -- MANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN JACKSONVILLE BECAUSE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FLOWN INTO THIS AREA.

THAT IS MY COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU FOR THE SUGGESTION -- RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE BE A GROCERY STORE OF SOME TYPE IN THE AREA SO RESIDENTS OF THAT AREA -- MORE PEOPLE ADDED IN THAT AREA.

THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> HENRY DEAN: ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS 1 AND 2.

1 AND 2? >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: MR.

CHAIRMAN, WE ARE CLOSED. >> HENRY DEAN: CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. CLOSED WITH HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT. DISTRICT 5, NORMALLY THE CHAIRMAN DOESN'T MAKE A MOTION, BUT YOU.

IT IS OKAY WITH YOU GUYS, I WILL MAKE A MOTION.

I WILL MOVE ITEM 1. THE MOTION A ADOPT RESOLUTION

2021--- >> 499.

>> HENRY DEAN: BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACT IN THE STAFF

REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> HENRY DEAN: A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 4-0.

I WILL MOVE ITEM 2. ITEM 2, MOTION TO ENACT

ORDINANCE 202 1 -- >> 83.

>> HENRY DEAN: BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACTS AS PROVIDED

[3. Public Hearing * ARC APPEAL 2021-01 Vilano Beach Hotel Appeal.]

IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST:

SECOND. >> HENRY DEAN: A MOTION BY DEAN. SECOND BY WHITEHURST.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 4-0.

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>> MR. CHAIR -- >> HENRY DEAN: WE DID BOTH.

>> ITEM NUMBER 3 ALSO IS A QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM.

THE BOARD MAY -- BOARD MEMBERS MAY WISH TO DISCLOSE EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION. I DO A RECOMMENDED -- SHOULD THE BOARD PROCEED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION, I DO HAVE A HEARING FORMAT I WILL PROPOSE SIMILAR TO WHAT THE BOARD HAS

SEEN IN OTHER QUASI JUDICIAL. >> HENRY DEAN: GO BACK TO EX-PARTE AND THEN BACK TO YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 10 AT APPROXIMATELY 12:30, I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH JOHN CATEL, RYAN MCCORMICK AND STAFF. THEY DISCUSSED THEIR CONCERNS, THEIR DESIRE FOR DENIAL AND THE LIST OF REASONS CENTERED AROUND TRAFFIC, COMPATIBILITY, THE OVERALL VISION FOR THE TOWN CENTER. I ALSO MET IN PERSON NOVEMBER 4 AT 2:30 WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH, TAYLOR FRENCH -- EXCUSE ME THAT WAS OUR ZOOM MEETING WHERE THEY DISCUSSED THE VISION FOR THE HOTEL. THEIR OPINION IT MEETS THE FLORIDA VERNACULAR. SOME OF THE CONCESSIONS THEY FEEL THEY HAVE MADE AND HOW IT WILL FIT -- HOW THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES. ON NOVEMBER 4 AT 2:00, I MET WITH ALEX ANDER, O'HARA, CAROL AND JOE ANDERSON MEMBERS OF THE NORTH BEACH COMMUNITY ALLIANCE AND THEY CONSTITUTESED DENIAL FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS. THE PARCEL SIZE WAS BROUGHT UP.

THE OVERLAY. SAYS NO LOADING DOCKS ON THE COASTAL HIGHWAY. AND, AGAIN, A MYRIAD OF OTHER REASONS THAT HAD TOO DO WITH COMPATIBILITY AND WATER FLOW AND THE WASTEWATER CAPACITY. ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER 28, AT 10:30 A.M., I MET WITH ELLEN AVERY-SMITH AND IN PERSON IN OFFICE AND THEY DISCUSSED THE PROJECT, WHY THEY FELT IT WAS COMPATIBLE, AND HOW IT MEETS THE GUIDELINES OF THE FLORIDA VERNACULAR. THAT IS ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIR.

>> HENRY DEAN: OKAY, THANK Y YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

ON NOVEMBER 10 AT 2:30, I MET WITH JOHN CAUGHTLE AND LARRY MCCORMICK. AND THEY BASICALLY COVERED A LARGE NUMBER OF ITEMS DEALING WITH THE PROPOSED HOTEL RANGES FROM SIZE, INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNTY FACTORED IN THE RATIOS OF BUSINESS RESIDENTIAL AND HOTELS IN A CONSISTENT AND FAIR WAY AND PROBABLY A FEW OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT. THAT TAKES CARE OF MOST OF THE LIST. ON NOVEMBER 4 AT 4:00, I MET WITH ELLEN AVERY-SMITH AND DIEGO IN PERSON TO LISTEN TO THE PROPOSED APPLICATION AND COVER THE POINTS, REALLY, ALLUDED TO BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AS TO THE SIZE, LOCATION, DESIGN, AND THE FACT THAT THE FACADE, THE EXTERIOR DESIGN HAS BEEN AMENDED SOMEWHAT AS A RESULT OF THE D RBING HE WEREIER TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

ON NOVEMBER 1, AT 3:00, I MET WITH SALLY O'HARA, CARROLL AND JOE ANDERSON AND BREE ALEXANDER TO GO OVER A NUMBER OF CONCERNS RAISED BY THE GROUP THAT QUESTIONED THE HOTEL FITTING INTO THIS LOCATION FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND LACK OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE CAMP PLAN TOWN CENTER OVERLAY. THOSE ARE MY MEETINGS.

WALL WALDRON OKAY, WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 10 AT 12:00, A MEETING WITH JOHN KETTLE, RYAN MCCORMICK.

MR. KETTLE OUTLINED YES THOUGHT THE PROJECT SHOULD BE DENIED AND HE HAD TRAFFIC COMPATIBILITY.

HOW WE CALCULATE THE NUMBER OF HOTEL ROOMS BY PERCENTAGE OR BY ROOMS. ALSO IN THAT MEETING DISCUSSED WHY WHICH DO NOT LOOK AT THE HALLWAY SPACE AND THE MEETING SPACES. JUST THE ROOM SPACE.

THAT ON NOVEMBER 4 AT 12:00, HAD A MEETING WITH MISSILEEN

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TALKED OF THE TIGHT AREA OF THE VILANO BEACH AREA AND DISCUSSED THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, WHAT WOULD GO THERE AND WHAT HAD BEEN THERE IN THE PAST. AND THEN AT 1:00 ON THE 4TH, I MET WITH SALLY O'HARA, CAROL AND JOE HENDERSON AND I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE THERE, MISS O'HARA AND I DIDN'T GET THE NAME AND I APOLOGIZE. WE DISCUSSED -- FIRST, WE DISCUSSED WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE AREA.

AND WE DISCUSSED CONCERNS THEY HAD.

ALL OF THEM OUTLINED IN MANY E-MAILS WE RECEIVED, ALL OF US, ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF LAND, THE VERNACULAR, EXTERIOR, WHAT WAS REQUIRED IN THE TOWN CENTER. ALSO, HOW MANY HOTEL ROOMS THEY ALREADY HAD AND THE PERCENTAGE OUTLINED IN THE ORIGINAL TOWN CENTER. ALSO I SIT ON THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD. I AM JUST A NONVOTING MEMBER, BUT THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT A MEETING AND ALL THAT SHOULD BE HELD IN THE PUBLIC RECORD WITH MINUTES AVAILABLE.

IT WAS DISCUSSED QUITE A BIT. I DIDN'T DISCUSS ANY OF IT.

I JUST LISTENED. THAT'S IT.

I HAVE BEEN BY THE AREA MANY TIMES.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

LET ME START WITH A MEETING ON THURSDAY OCTOBER 28 AT APPROXIMATELY 10 A.M. WITH MISSILEEN AVERY-SMITH, COLIN GORSIK. WE TALKED OF THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. SOME OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS.

AND THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE -- OF THE -- I GUESS THE MAGIC -- MAGIC HOTEL WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.

HAD A MEETING ON THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 4, AT APPROXIMATELY 12:30 P.M. AT SALLY O'HARA, CAROL AND JOE ANDERSON.

THERE WAS QUITE A INFORMATION PROVIDED THAT WOULD RAISE CONCERNS. LET ME EMPHASIZE THIS OF THE CONCERNS. THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY, THE IMPACT OCCUR BASED ON THIS PROJECT.

THERE IS SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS OF THE NUMBER OF HOTEL ROOMS AND THE IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE AS FAR AS FOOT TRAFFIC ON THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THIS VICINITY.

A NUMBER ISSUES SPECIFICALLY INVOLVING A LOADING BLOCK IMPACT, HOW THAT WOULD HAVE ON TRAFFIC AND SOME OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WOULD COME FROM THAT.

OVERALL INCOMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND SOME OF THE PROCEDURES FOR THIS HEARING TODAY.

A NUMBER OTHER ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AS WELL IN DIFFERENT E-MAILS THAT I THINK ALL OF US HAVE RECEIVED.

I ALSO HAD ANOTHER MEETING SCHEDULED THAT DAY ON NOVEMBER 4 WITH MISSILEEN AVER Y-SMITH IN PERSON.

UNFORTUNATELY I WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE THAT MEETING AND AID BRIEF DISCUSSION OF MISSILEEN AVER Y-SMITH WITH THE CURRENT MEETING WITH SALLY O'HARA AND CAROO AND JOE ANDERSON AND MR. JOHN KIDLE, DISCUSSED THE IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY.

COVER THE HOTEL ROOM, LOADING DOCK, COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SOME PROCEDURES. LATER THAT AFTERNOON I TOOK A SITE VISIT AND VISITED THE LOCATION AS WELL.

SPENT TIME OBSERVING IT. I HAVE BEEN AROUND THE SITE MANY TIMES AND WANTED TO TAKE TIME TO LOOK AT IT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK. I GOT 80 TO 100 E-MAILS IN THIS MATTER MAINLY IN OPPOSITION OUTLINE A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC CONCERNS. THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

WE ARE PREPARED, PATRICK, TO GET YOUR SUGGESTIONS OR ADVICE HOW WE SHALL PROCEED TODAY WITH THIS HEARING.

>> SURE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER. AGAIN THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER. THIS IS AN APPEAL FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. AND IT HAS BEEN PROPERLY NOTICED FOR YOU TODAY. WE DO HAVE A PROPOSED HEARING FORMAT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DESCRIBE.

VERY SIMILAR TO OTHER FORMAT THAT THE BOARD SEEN IN OTHER QUASI JUDICIAL MATTERS. FIRST I WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS MY SENSE THAT THIS HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT OF A DYNAMIC MATTER IN THAT THE MATTER HAD GONE THROUGH THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD

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THE COMP PLAN OF THE CODE THAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MOMENT HERE. THE BOTTOM LINE THERE THOUGH, I THINK THERE HAS BEEN SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES FROM THE DRB, WHICH IS NOT AN UNUSUAL OR ANYTHING INCORRECT ABOUT DOING THAT. I WILL SAY ALSO THAT THE COUNTY'S CODE PROVIDES -- THE COUNTY IS OBTAIN AN ARCHITECTURAL OPINION WE ARE TAKE TO THE DESIGN.

UNFORTUNATELY THAT WAS NOT DONE AND MADE AVAILABLE WHEN THE ITEM HAS GONE TO THE DRB, BUT IT HAS HAPPENED IN THE INTERVENING PERIOD UNFORTUNATELY THAT OCCURRED FAIRLY LATE IN THE PROCESS AND I THINK THE OPINION WAS COMPLETED FRIDAY AND SYSTEM NATEED, I BELIEVE, YESTERDAY AND I AM NOT SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS ABLE TO REVIEW OR DIGEST THAT THAT IS JUST A FACTOR.

THE BOARD WILL BE BASING ITS DECISION WHETHER TO APPEAL OR DENY BASED ON THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THOSE ARE BOTH SET OUT -- WE ARE PREPARED AND I THINK THE COUNTY STAFF IS PREPARED TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS SHOULD THE BOARD FISH TO DO SO I WOULD SAY NOTE ABOUT DECORUM.

I MAY TO ADDRESS THE BOARD AND ALSO FOR OUR LISTENING PUBLIC, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THIS BOARD MAKES ITS DECISIONS BASED ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND ARGUMENT MADE TO THE BOARD, AND IT PLACES THE -- THAT EVIDENCE AND ARGUMENTS AGAINST WHAT THE COUNTY'S COMP PLAN PROVISIONS AND CODE ARE.

AND FROM THERE, THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, MAKES -- ULTIMATELY MAKES A DECISION. IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHAT THE BOARD DOES NOT AND LEGALLY CANNOT BASE ITS DECISION ON IS IN A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER ARE EITHER A MOTION OR CERTAINLY ANY TYPE OF QUESTIONING MOTIVES OR THAT TYPE OF THING.

AGAIN, ANYTHING THAT IS NOT COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AS TO HOW THE APPLICATION MEETS OR DOES NOT MEET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WITH THAT, WHEN THE BOARD HAS ITS HEARING.

WHEN IT COMMENCES ITS HEARING, I RECOMMEND THE FIRST STEP THAT THE BOARD DONE EX-PARTE DISCLOSURES.

A SWEARING-IN OF WITNESSES, APPLICANT OR APPELLANT MAY HAVE ONE OR MORE EXPERT WITNESSES. THE ORGANIZED OPPOSITION THAT I WILL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT IN A MOMENT ALSO HAS ONE OR MORE EXPERTS. SO MY RECOMMENDATION WILL BE TO START WITH SWEARING IN WITNESSES.

THE APPLICANT THEN WILL PROCEED WITH 20 MINUTE -- UP TO A 20-MINUTE PRESENTATION THAT CAN BE EXTENDED BY THE CHAIR FOR GOOD CAUSE. BUT THAT WOULD BE THE APPLICANT, APPELLANT'S PRESENTATION OF TESTIMONY EVIDENCE, ETC. THEN MY RECOMMENDED FORMAT THAT THE ORGANIZED OPPOSITION REPRESENTED FROM ATTORNEY RALPH BROOKS WHO IS REPRESENTING NORTH BEACH COMMUNITY LINES AND MICHAEL SALAZAR. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. BROOKS CAN CONFIRM THAT. BE AFFORDED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR

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IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. BROOKS WOULD UTILIZE THAT TIME TO HAVE AN EXPERT PRESENT TO THE BOARD.

AND THAT ANY SUBSTANTIAL COMMENT THAT MR. BROOKS MAY MAKE WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES OR REALLY JUST A PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THEN THERE WILL BE -- THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

I DO THINK THAT INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE REPRESENTED BY THE NORTH BEACH COMMUNITY ALLIANCE. AND MR. BROOKS, SHOULD RECOGNIZE CONSENSUALLY THAT THEIR TIME WOULD HAVE ABSORBED BY THAT -- THAT EXTENT -- MORE EXTENDED TIME PERIOD AFFORDED TO THAT OPPOSITION AS I MENTIONED.

BUT ANYWAY, PUBLIC COMMENT -- IT IS MY RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD NOT REQUIRE SWORN TESTIMONY FROM LAY CITIZENS COMING UP. THE BOARD MAY REQUIRE THAT, BUT NORMALLY THAT IS NOT DONE. AND, AGAIN, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, EVEN FROM THE CITIZENS THE CITIZENS CAN ALSO PROVIDE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE BASED ON THEIR OWN OBSERVATIONS OF FACTUAL TYPE THINGS. OPINION, FOR EXAMPLE, OF REAL ESTATE VALUES GOING UP AND DOWN AND OTHER SUCH MATTERS WOULD NOT CONSTITUTE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE UNLESS THAT SPEAKER WAS SOME PROFESSIONAL WITH A -- KIND OF AN EXPERT BACKGROUND. THEN AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, THE APPLICANT, THE APPELLANT, MISS -- REPRESENTED BY MISSILEEN AVERY-SMITH WILL BE AFFORDED A FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL.

AGAIN, WHICH MAY BE EXTENDED BY GOOD CAUSE -- FOR GOOD CAUSE BY THE CHAIR. AND THEN BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ITS CONSIDERATION. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE OR MORE DRB MEMBERS ARE ALSO AVAILABLE.

THAT IS PROVIDED IN YOUR BOARD RULES AND POLICIES.

A DRB MEMBER IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT WOULD PROBABLY BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

AGAIN, YOUR BOARD RULES AND POLICIES PROVIDE IF THERE IS AN APPEAL FROM ONE OF YOUR APPOINTED BOARDS, A MEMBER OF THAT BOARD MAY COME AND BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS SHOULD ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY.

SO, MR. CHAIR, THAT IS A DESCRIPTION, I THINK, OF THE -- OF THE RECOMMENDED FORMAT. THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: I THINK WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE SWEARING-IN OF

EXPERT WITNESSES. >> MR. CHAIR, PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU BEGIN IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I WOULD -- A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE PUBLIC HEARING FORMAT.

ONE, WE DO NOT HAVE THE LIST OF THE REPRESENTED PEOPLE.

WE HAVE NOT BEEN PROVIDED WITH A LIST OF WHO MR. BROOKS REPRESENTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF SPEAKING TIME FOR THE NORTH BEACH COMMUNITY ALLIANCE AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT SO WE DON'T HAVE DUPLICATION OF REPRESENTATION AND TIME.

AND I ALSO DO WANT TO MENTION MR. MCCORMACK MENTIONED MAJOR CHANGES. WE DID NOT MAKE MAJOR CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION DOCUMENT SINCE DRB, WE SIMPLY MADE REVISIONS BASED ON DRB MEMBER COMMENTS, JUST FOR THE RECORD.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS.

>> PAT MCCORMACK: I DON'T TINK I USED THE PHRASE "MAJOR CHANGES." AND I SAID SUBSTANTIAL.

I DO MEAN THERE HAVE BEEN DESIGN CHANGES.

AND I THINK MISS SMITH WILL PROBABLY DESCRIBE THOSE.

AND I THINK AS MR. RALPH BR BROOKS.

ATTORNEY RALPH BROOKS, WHEN HE COMES UP, I THINK HE CAN -- HE CAN DESCRIBE, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHO HE IS REPRESENTING.

OR YOU CAN HEAR THAT RIGHT NOW. >> HENRY DEAN: GOOD MORNING.

>> MY NAME IS RALPH BROOKS, ATTORNEY.

I REPRESENT THE NORTH COMMUNITY BEACH ALLIANCE,INC.

AND MICHAEL SALAZAR. I WILL LIMIT MY NAME TO THREE

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WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT FROM GAINESVILLE PREIMMINENT AND HE NEEDS TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO EXPLAIN FLORIDA VERNACULAR.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE HIM THE 12 MINUTES THAT I TALKED TO PATRICK ABOUT. GUILT IN THE THREE MINUTES REGULAR. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC SPEAKERS. SOME OF THOSE ARE MEMBERS OF NCBA, BUT THEY ARE ALSO INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS OF VILANO BEACH. AND THEY HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB ORGANIZING THEIR PRESENTATIONS WHICH I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN BUT FOUND OUT THAT THEY HAVE PUT TOGETHER A PO POWERPOINT AMONGST THEMSELVES. AND THEY DIVIDED THAT UP INTO LESS THAN THREE-MINUTE SEG SEGMENTS.

WHEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT HAPPENS, THEY WILL ALL STAND UP AND DO THAT. AND IN NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE A POWERPOINT WHO WILL SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT TOO. IF WE CAN JUST HAVE THE 12 MINUTES FOR THE ARCHITECT. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.

THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE HERE TODAY TO DETERMINE THE ARCHITECTURE. THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: LET ME, IF I MAY, SAY THIS, I THINK AS A COMMISSION, WE WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE, FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK. BUT, I WILL ENCOURAGE YOU IF IT BECOMES SOMEWHAT REPETITIVE, THE LONGER YOU SPEAK, IN MY EXPERIENCE SOMETIMES, AT LEAST I MIGHT GET A LITTLE FOGGY.

SO HIGHLIGHT THE KEY POINTS IF IT IS ALREADY BEEN REPEATED THREE TIMES, YOU MIGHT SIMPLY SAY I AGREE.

BUT WE DON'T WANT TO DAMPEN ANY TESTIMONY OR DAMPEN ANYONE'S SPIRIT. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE.

WITH THAT CAVEAT, IF I MAY. I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE.

WITH THAT, MR. MCCORMACK, ARE YOU READY TO SWEAR WITNESSES?

>> YES, I AM. ATTORNEY ELLEN AVERY-SMITH AND RALPH BROOKS SIGNAL FOR YOUR WITNESSES AND HAVE THEM STATE THEIR NAME AND BUSINESS ADDRESSES AND SWEAR THEM IN.

>> I WILL ASK THE FENCE IS TO SWEAR IN ALSO.

I YOU ARE NOT ASKING THEM TOO BUT I AM ASKING THE CITIZENS TO SWEAR-IN. THEY WILL TALK OF FACTS AND EYE

WITNESSES. >> PAT MCCORMACK: IF ANY CITIZEN WISHES TO BE SWORN IN THEY CAN CERTAINLY COME UP.

WHAT I WILL DO IS START ON THE LEFT AND GO ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT. AND SO FOR EACH WITNESSES THAT WILL BE TESTIFYING UNDER OATH, I WILL HAVE THAT WITNESS STATE THEIR NAME, BUSINESS ADDRESS IF THEY ARE REPRESENTING BUSINESS OR ARCHITECTURAL FIRM OR IF IT IS A CITIZEN OR RESIDENT, JUST THEIR ADDRESS. SO STARTING ON THE -- THE BO BOARD'S LEFT. GO AHEAD, SIR, AT THE

MICROPHONE. >> GOOD MORNING.

I AM DIEGO ARDED, ONE OF THE PRINCIPALS.

>> PAT MCCORMACK: JUST NAME AND ADDRESS AND I WILL SWEAR EVERYBODY IN TOGETHER. NAME AND BUSINESS ADDRESS.

>> DIEGO ARDID, 4 BRICKELL AVENUE.

>> PAT MCCORMACK: THANK YOU. >> SHANNON ACEVEDO PRACTICING

MANAGER, WALDO STREET. >> TAYLOR FRENCH, ASSOCIATE PRINCIPAL, RAVEN ARCHITECTS,I PEACH TREE STREET, ATLANTA, GA.

>> COL IN GORSUCH, LICENSED ARCHITECT.OR.

848 BRICKELL. >> SCOTT KNOLLS, SENIOR

ENGINEER, ST. AUGUSTINE. >> VINCENT BARR, PROFESSIONAL

ENGINEER WITH KIMLEY-HORN. >> SIR?

>> BILL LORENER. ARCHITECT.

306 NORTHEAST 5TH AVENUE, GAINESVILLE.

>> PAT MCCORMACK: THANK YOU, SIR.

MR. BROOKS, ANY FURTHER WITNESSES OR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO GIVE SWORN TESTIMONY, PLEASE APPROACH.

>> RALPH BROOKS, ATTORNEY. I DO IT FOR FUN.

I MAY BE TALKING ABOUT SOME THINGS, I SWEAR.

I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT THE ARCHITECT AT THE COUNTY HIRED, HE DIDN'T COME UP TO SWEAR. IS HE NOT HERE TODAY?

>> PAT MCCORMACK: I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ARCHITECT IS HERE.

I THINK THEY PRESENTED THEIR LETTER -- MR. BROOKS, I DON'T

KNOW IF THAT ATTORNEY IS HERE. >> I GUESS A ONE PAGE THING FROM THE ARCHITECT WITH ONE SENTENCE THAT SAYS HE IS

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TODAY WITHOUT HIM BEING HERE. >> PAT MCCORMACK: RIGHT --

>> ACTUALLY MORE THAN ONE PAGE. MARKED DRAWINGS AS WELL.

>> HIS WRITTEN -- I UNDERSTAND BUT I OBJECT, HE IS NOT HERE TO

PRESENT OR -- >> PAT MCCORMACK: YOUR OBJECTIO IS NOTED. ANY OTHER WITNESSES?

>> THESE ARE ALL CITIZENS WORMZ WORMZ IF THEY WISH TO BE SWORN, MR. CHAIR, I RECOMMEND THAT THEY COME UP STATE THEIR NAME

AND ADDRESS TO BE SWORN. >> ALLEY O'HARA, 3025 KINGS ROAD. CONSULTANT.

>> PAT MCCORMACK: THANK YOU. >> ANDY HILL, 104 LAWN AVENUE,

ST. AUGUSTINE. >> FEEL FREE TO FORM A LINE.

>> FOR EACH OF YOU WHO ARE TO BE SWORN, IF YOU CAN KIND OF STAY UP IN THAT LITTLE INTERIM AREA BECAUSE I WILL SWEAR YOU

ALL IN. >> ELISA HILL.

>> MAUREEN LONG, 1821 CASTEEL STREET, MENENDEZ PARK.

>> ALEXANDER 302 11TH STREET.

>> KATHY ASEN, 307 12TH ST STREET.

>> SHANE JONES, 136 SURFSIDE AVENUE.

>> MICHAEL COMPTON, 114 3RD STREET.

>> BARBARA JENIS, 23 PORPOISE POINT DRIVE.

>> GLEN ANDERS, 3200 COASTER, COASTAL HIGHWAY, VILANO BEACH.

>> JEFF SMILEY, 2822 COASTAL HIGHWAY.

>> JOHN CATEL, 324 SAINT VILLAGE DRIVE, ST. AUGUSTINE.

>> AND MR. MCCORMACK, JUST TO CONFIRM, ONLY ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO JUST INTRODUCED HIMSELF AND HERSELF WHO IS SPEAKING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS, IS THAT COR CORRECT?

>> PAT MCCORMACK: THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

IF THAT IS NOT SO -- ACTUALLY -- IF THERE ARE ANYONE -- OKAY.

THE ORGANIZED OPPOSITION ONLY HAS THE ONE WITNESS EXPERT.

IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CONTEMPLATES SPEAKING AS AN EXPERT, THEN THEY SHOULD COME UP AND BE SWORN.

ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS SPEAKING AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO, AGAIN, CAN GIVE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE ON FACTUAL-BASED THINGS, NEED NOT BE SWORN.

>> GEORGIA KATZ, SEAGATE LANE. >> PAT MCCORMACK: WILL EACH OF THE INDIVIDUALS TO BE SWORN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO EACH OF YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND

NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SAY AYE. >> AYE.

CORM C >> PAT MCCORMACK: MR. CHAIR, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT THE WITNESSES HAVE BEEN SWORN.

>> HENRY DEAN: COMMISSIONER BLOCKER HAS A QUESTION OR

COMMENT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: MR. ATTORNEY SAID A PROCEDURAL STEPS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWED AND WE HAD AN OBJECTION TO THAT.

I WANT TO UNDERSTAND SPECIFICALLY IF WE GET CLARIFICATION ON THE ARCHITECT SITUATION.

>> PAT MCCORMACK: RIGHT. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COUNTY HAD RECEIVED THE ARCHITECTURAL OPINION LAST FRIDAY. AND THAT IT WAS DISTRIBUTED, I BELIEVE, AS -- AS OF MONDAY. SO, AGAIN, THAT WAS JUST A BRIEF TIME AGO. APPARENTLY THAT ARCHITECT IS NOT IN THE AUDITORIUM TODAY. IN MY VIEW, THE BOARD MAY PROCEED. THE FACT THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL IS NOT HERE AND NOT AVAILABLE TO BE CROSS-EXAMINED SHOULD GO

TO THE WEIGHT OF THAT OPINION. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT MY QUESTION. MY QUESTION IS SPECIFICALLY -- LET ME MAKE SURE I AM CLEAR. YOU MENTIONED THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PROCESS THAT WAS FOLLOWED.

DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY? >> PAT MCCORMACK: YES,

COMMISSIONER. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON.

.> JEREMIAH BLOCKER.IA

>> PAT MCCORMACK: YES. THE COUNTY'S CODE PROVIDES THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PAY FIGURE THAT WILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW THE COUNTY TO HIRE A ARCHITECT TO REVIEW

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THAT APPARENTLY WAS NOT DONE PRIOR TO THE DRB, AND SORT OF UPON REVIEW OF THE MATTER FOR APPEAL, THAT WAS DISCOVERED AND IT WAS MY ADVICE TO STAFF THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD GO OUT AND TRY TO OBTAIN SUCH AN OPINION, WHICH IT DID.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, AGAIN, IT CAME IN JUST VERY RECENTLY.

BALLOT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY,

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: ALL RIGHT, MR. MCCORMACK, ARE YOU READY TO PROCEED?

>> PAT MCCORMACK: YES, NEXT IS THE APPLICANT APPELLANT REPRESENTED BY ELLEN AV AVERY-SMITH WILL HAVE A 20-MINUTE PRESENTATION. MISS SMITH.

>> HENRY DEAN: THE APPLICANT WISHES TO PROCEED.

>> YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> HI, GOOD MORNING, DIEGO ORDID, ONE OF THE PRINCIPAL. AND MY PRIMARY FOCUS IS TO OVERSEE THE HOTEL AND RESORT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COMPANY.

WE ARE A FAMILY OWNED COMPANY THAT DEVELOPS OUR PROTS PROJECTS. AND WE OWN AND HOLD THEM FOR THE LONG TERM. SO HAVING THAT IN MIND, FITTING INTO THE COMMUNITY, HAVING THE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAINTAIN HOTEL OPERATIONS AND BUILDING AN UPSCALE SUSTAINABLE PROJECT BECOMES CRITICAL TO THE SUCCESS OF OUR PROJECT.

FROM THE START OF THIS PROJECT, WE TRY TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE COMMUNITIES TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AND ADDRESS THEM AS BEST AS WE CAN. FOR EXAMPLE, WE OPTED INTO PRESENTING AT THE VILANO MAIN STREET MEETING TO ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS AND PRESENT THOSE OR INCORPORATE THOSE INTO OUR DRAWINGS AT THE DRB MEETING. ADDITIONALLY AS LONG-TERM OWNERERS, THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE PROJECT IS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO US. PARKING, FOR EXAMPLE, IS SOMETHING THAT IMPACTS THE GUESTS RIGHT AT THE START AND BE ABLE TO SERVICE OUR GUESTS IS OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY THAT WE LOOK AT VERY CLOSELY AND VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE SUCCESS OF THE HOTEL. I CAN ALSO ASSURE THAT YOU MAKING AN INVESTMENT OF THIS SIZE, THAT -- THAT WE LOOK AT THE -- HAVING THE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE AND BE ABLE TO SERVICE THE HOTEL WITH HAVING THE CAPACITY THERE TO SERVICE THE HOTEL. CRITICAL.

WE WOULD NEVER MAKE AN INVESTMENT OF THAT SIZE IF THAT DOESN'T WORK. SO WE USE IN OUR PROJECTS TOP ENGINEERING FIRMS FOR ADEQUATE CAPACITY TO SUSTAIN HOTEL OPERATION. FINALLY, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO MENTION WE OWN THE EMBASSY SUITES WE DEVELOPED AND OWN THE EMBASSY SUITES IN ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH.

WE ENCOUNTERED A LOT OF RESISTANCE FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I VIEW THAT AS A SUCCESS TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE LOCALS.

ON A DAILY BASIS I SEE FAMILIAR FACES.

LOCALS USING OUR AMENITIES AT THE RESORT AND IT HAS BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED WITHIN THE LO LOCALS.

ADDITIONALLY, THE HOTEL HAD NUMEROUS AWARDS.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE GOT DEVELOPMENT OF THE YEAR AWARD FROM HILTON.

WE WERE ALSO NAMED TOP HOSPITALITY BY URL PROJECT AND USE OF LAND AND HAS BENEFICIAL IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITY.

TODAY THE EMBASSY SUITES HAVE 100 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AND A FINANCIAL IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY.

LASTLY I AM CONFIDENT ONCE THIS PROJECT IS DONE IT WILL BE WELL RECEIVED BY THE LOCALS OF VILANO.

IT IS IMPORTANT SAY THAT THE SITE IN QUESTION DOES HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND WILL GET DEVELOP DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT IN THE OTHER. A GROUP THAT WILL HAVE A UPSCALE FAMILY-FRIENDLY RESORT THAT IS WELL WITHIN THE ZONING ALLOWED AT THE SITE. THE TYPE OF RESPONSIBILITY DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I WILL LET THE PROFESSIONALS TAKE IT FROM HERE.

>> COMMISSIONERS, WE WILL CONTINUE ON TO.

THE REASON WE ARE HERE AT YOUR BOARD FOR THIS APPEAL AND NOT BACK TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, THE DENIAL FROM THE DRB THAT I WILL CALL IT FROM THE OCTOBER 13 MEETING CONCLUDED THAT THE PROJECT ARCHITECTURE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL OF VILANO AND THE VILANO TOWN CENTER.

THAT IS A FACTUAL ERROR. WE WILL PROVIDE THAT TO YOU DURING OUR DENOVO HEARING WHICH IS NOT ON THE RECORD.

WE WILL HAVE OUR PROJECT ARCHITECT IN THE PACKAGE THE

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AND PREJUDGING AN APPLICATION IS NOT PERMITTED UNDER QUASI JUDICIAL RULES. A BOARD MEMBER SHALL NOT PREJUDGE. HE OR SHE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE EVIDENCE AT THE MEETING BEFORE MAKING A DETERMINATION.

THAT IS ERROR NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, A BOARD MEMBER THAT SITS ON THE DRB WHOSE HUSBAND SAID AT THE HEARING HE WAS THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION PARTY. HE TESTIFIED TO THAT.

HE IS HERE TODAY. THAT PERSON AND BOARD MEMBER NEVER DISCLOSED ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION AND VERY ADAMANT IN HER OPPOSITION IN HER MANNER OF ASKING QUESTIONS AND OF SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT DURING THE HEARING FOR THE REASON AND DO NOT FEEL LIKE GOING BACK TO THE DRB WE WOULD GET A FAIR HEARING. WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR DE NOVO

PORTION OF OUR HEARING. >> GOOD MORNING, SHANNONED A SAY DOE, 7 WALDO STREET. I AM NOT GOING TO GO OVER THE SITE AND ENTITLED WITH THE WORK UP TO DATE.

FOR THE BENEFITS OF THE BOARD AND PUBLIC, CONCERN RELATED TO INFRASTRUCTURE, TRAFFIC, UTILITIES, AND I WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PROCESS WITH THIS PROJECT. WE HAVE AS I MENTIONED GONE THROUGH THE REZONING AND LAND USE FOR THE VACANT PROPERTY AND WE ARE REVOKE, HAVE SUBMITTED FOR THE OVERLAY IS A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. WHAT IS LEFT TO DO YET IS THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, ENGINEERING THAT INCLUDED LANDSCAPING DETAIL, PAVING AND GRADING UTILITIES AND TRAFFIC.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE PROACTIVELY DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY AND WE HAVE A CONSULTANT FROM KIMLEY-HORN AND THAT WAS PART OF THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD AND PUBLIC.

WORKINGING WITH NORTH BEACH UTILITIES AND HAVE A CONFIRMED LETTER FOR WATER, SEWER CAPABILITIES FOR THIS PROJECT IN PARTICULAR. IN TERMS OF THE HOTEL SQUARE FOOTAGE, I KNOW THIS IS SOME OF THE TOPICS THAT CAME UP DURING DELIBERATION. I WANTED TO SHOW THE SLIDE TO CONFIRM SQUARE FEET THAT WE CALCULATED OF TOTAL HOTEL ROOM SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THIS PIE CHART IN YELLOW ON THE SIDE, THE 83139 IS THE NET ADDITION OF THIS PROJECT.

AND SHOWS YOU WHAT IS REMAINING LEFT.

RETAIL IS NOT QUITE AS FAR ALONG BUT I WANTED TO MENTION A CONFIRMATION FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY OF THE METHODOLOGY AND THE NUMBER OF HOTEL SQUARE FOOTAGE ENTITLEMENTS LEFT AND THIS PROJECT MEETS THAT CRITERIA.

I WILL HAND IT OVER TO MR. FRENCH TO TALK ABOUT THE

DESIGN. >> AGAIN, I AM TAYLOR FRENCH.

I AM A LICENSED ARCHITECT. MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS AND ASSOCIATE PRINCIPAL AT RAVEN ARCHITECTS. TO PREFACE THE STATEMENT ON DESIGN, OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION THIS MEETS ALL APPLICABLE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF THE VILANO VILANO OVERLAY AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT NOT ALL REGULATIONS FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS APPLICABLE TO THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL AND ANY INNESSES WHERE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CONFLICTS WITH THE TOWN OVE OVERLAY, THE OVERLAY SUPERCEDES THAT REGULATION.

IF IT IS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. IT MAY OR MAY NOT RELATE TO OUR PARTICULAR PARCEL. AND ANY AREAS, WE DID ONE OR TWO THINGS. WE REACHED OUT TO STAFF AND GOT A STAFF INTERPRETATION ON OUR PARTICULAR DESIGN WHETHER OR NOT IT MET ANY OF THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.

AND LOOKED AT PRECEDENCE. AND HOW THOSE PROJECTS, THE CODE WAS INTERPRETED ON THE DESIGN OF THOSE PROJECTS AS WELL. AND WE WILL SPEAK BRIEFLY OF THE BUILDING TYPE, OVERALL LENGTH AND MASSING, THE HEIGHT, WHAT IS FLORIDA VERNACULAR, THE MATERIALS PALETTE AND WHAT WE

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ALTHOUGH WE ARE NOT A BUILDING TYPE 3, WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUILDING TYPE 3 IN RETURNING THE RETAIL PORTION OF THE SITE AROUND THE OCEANFRONT SIDE OF THE SITE.

THAT REQUIREMENT IS A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET FOR BUILDING TYPE 3.

AND WE ARE 70 FEET. WE ARE NOT A BUILDING TYPE, WE DO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. AND THE REQUIREMENT OF THE FRONTAGE OF THE FRONTAGE THAT IS HOW MUCH OF THE BUILDING IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE. AND THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE OVERLAY. IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, AGAIN, THERE IS A MAXIMUM 40 FEET ABOVE ESTABLISHED GRADE FOR THE FLORIDA VERNACULAR, IT GOES TO THE TOP PLATE OF THE ROOF.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, ESTABLISHED AS DETERMINED BY STAFF.

OUR BUILDINGS 35 FOOT 9 AND 35 FOOT 9 WHICH IS BELOW THE 40-FOOT HEIGHT REQUIREMENT. FLORIDA VERNACULAR IS A VERY NEBULOUS TERM. WE LOOKED AT HOW THE CODE DESIGNS FLORIDA VERNACULAR. IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT FLORIDA VERNACULAR IS A BUILDING WITH HORIZONTAL SI SIDING, HIP ROOFS, WRAP-AROUND PORCHES, SHUTTERS, NATURE MACHINE BLENDING COLOR PALETTE AND MEDAL ROOFS. YOU CAN SEE IN THE RENDERING OF OUR DESIGN WE INCLUDE ALL THE ELEMENTS LISTED IN THE CODE UNDER FLORIDA VERNACULAR DIAL INCLUDING THE MATERIALS PALETTE. DURING THE LAST PRESENTATION, THERE WAS QUESTION WHETHER ASPHALT SHINGLES WERE ALLOWED.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE VILANO BEACH TOWN CENTER OVERLAY, IT HAS THE VILANO BEACH DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND UNUNDER FLORIDA VERNACULAR UNDER ROOF DESIGN LISTS ASPHALT SHINGLES AS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AS AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL. SO WE BELIEVE IN TERMS OF THE CODE, WE MEET THE STYLE OF THE FLORIDA VERNACULAR.

NOW IN TERMS OF GENERAL ARCHITECTURE, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A QUALIFIED EXPERT IN FLORIDA VERNACULAR.

NO ACCREDITATION OR CERTIFICATE AS AN EXPERT IN FLORIDA VERNACULAR. THEY LOOK AT CASE STUDIES.

HOW WILL OTHER ARCHITECTS TAKEN FLORIDA VERNACULAR AND INTERPRET IN NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID. QUESTION LOOK AT DEVELOPMENTS SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT, CELEBRATION FLORIDA, SEASIDE FLORIDA. AND HOW THEY IMPLEMENT FLORIDA VERNACULAR AND HOW IF APPLIES TO NEW BUILDINGS.

AND THIS IN OUR DESIGN. WE LOOKED AT VILANO BEACH AND HOW PREVIOUS ARCHITECTS HAD APPROVED PROJECTS THAT USED THE FLORIDA VERNACULAR STYLE SPECIFICALLY IN THE OVERLAY.

AND HOW THAT IS INTERPRETED IN THE DESIGN OF THESE BUILDINGS.

I THINK THAT THE HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS IS THE BEST EXAMPLE OF FLORIDA VERNACULAR IN NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE TOWN CENTER OVERLAY. YOU COMPARE THE ELEVATION OF THE TOP OF THE HOLIDAY IN N EXPRESS.

WE MEET A LOT OF THE SAME PROPORTIONS, SCALE, RHYTHM OF THE FACADE, THE WAY THE BALCONIES PROJECT OUT, DECORATIVE RAILINGS, THE STYLE OF THE ROOF AND OVERALL MASSING AND STYLE OF THE BUILDING ARE VERY SIMILAR.

IN TERMS OF PRECEDENCE, WE THINK THAT WE ALSO MIGHT THE DEFINITION OF FLORIDA VERNACULAR WHEN YOU LOOK AT PRECEDENCE. ADDITIONALLY IN TERMS OF PRECEDENCE, WE LOOK AT HOW OTHER HANDLED PARKING, SPECIFICALLY BELOW-GRADE PARKING.

A DISCUSSION FOR A REQUIREMENT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OF ABOVE GRADE THAT IS OCCUPIED SPACE.

ALL OCCUPIED SPACE BY BUILDING CODE HAS TO BE ABOVE THE FLOOD ELEVATIONS. AND SO I SHOWED IN THE RED DASHED LINE THE FLOOD ELEVATION WITH THE HYATT WALL SECTION ON THE LEFT AS A PRECEDENT AND OUR DESIGN ON THE RIGHT AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN BOTH PROJECTS, ALL OF THE PARKING IS BELOW GRADE AND GO TO THE FRONT FACE OF THE BUILDING.

IN TERMS OF PARKING REGUL REGULATIONS, WE BELIEVE THAT WE ALSO COMPLY. IN TALKING ABOUT THE DESIGN AND HOW THE DESIGN HAS SINCE DEVELOPED.

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ADDING MORE ELEMENTS THAT ADD CHARACTER OF THE FACADE, SPECIFICALLY DECORATIVE RAILING AND ADDRESSING STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO INCORPORATE INTO THE DESIGN. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS VIEW IN THE CORNER CORN OF COASTAL HIGHWAY AND VILANO ROAD, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PREVIOUS DESIGN AND THE CURRENT DESIGN.

YOU CAN SEE HOW THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING HAS BEEN BROKEN UP INTO SEVERAL PORCH ELEMENTS PREVIOUSLY AND CURRENTLY.

IT FORMS A SERIES PART THAT IS PART OF THE OVERLAY GUIDELINES AND YOU CAN SEE CORNERS WITH DECORATIVE CHIPPENDALE RAILINGS AND ADD CHARACTER TO THE IF A CRUSADE SAD.

LOOKING AT THE PREVIOUS SUBMISSION AND THE CURRENT DESIGN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CURRENT DESIGN THAT IS COLORED SHOWS THE REDUCTION OF THE NUMBER OF BALCONIES ON THE ROAD ARTICULATION OF THE FACADE SIMILAR TO THE HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS AND THE DECORATIVE RAILINGS.

THE NORTH FACADE OF THE RESIDENTIAL PARCEL.

THE PREVIOUS DESIGN AND ON THE TOP AND THE CURRENT DESIGN ON THE BOTTOM AND INCORPORATED ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS SUCH AS BALCONIES, SHUTTERS AND ADDITIONAL WINDOWS TO ADD A LOT OF CHARACTER FOR THAT FACADE PER THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.

IN TERMS OF THE SITE, WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE DO PROVIDE AN ACCESSIBLE PATHWAY THAT GOES FROM COASTAL HIGHWAY ALL THE WAY TO THE BEACH. A PUBLIC PATH THAT ANYONE IS AVAILABLE TO USE THAT GOES THROUGH THE RETAIL PORTIONS OF THE SITE ALL THE WAY TO THE BEACH.

WE DESIGNED IN THE STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENT CONTINUE THE SIDEWALK TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY THAT FRONTS THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PARCELS. WE ALSO PROVIDE OUTDOOR CAFE, BIKE RACKS PER THE DESIRE OF THE TOWN CENTER OVERLAY.

AND I AM JUST GOING TO TOUCH BRIEFLY ON MAGIC BEACH.

THAT IS A POINT OF CONTENTION. BUT WE ARE -- THERE IS A DESIRE FROM OWNERSHIP AND DESIGN TEAM TO INCORPORATE ELEMENTS OF THE AGE INIC BEACH MOTEL INCLUDING THE PENGUIN -- NOT PEN GA BIN WITH YOU FLAMINGO ELEMENTS INTO THE EXTERIOR OF THE FACADE.

SALVAGING THE MAGIC BEACH MOTEL IN AN AREA AND WORKING WITH AN INTERIOR DESIGNER OF A ZONE IN THE LOBBY AS A TRIBUTE AREA THROUGH PHOTOGRAPHY AND MEMORABILIA SHOW THE PROGRESSION OF THE ORIGINAL OCEAN BLUE MOTEL INTO THE MAGIC BEACH MOTEL AND REIMAGINED INTO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING OPINION. IN SUMMARY, WE MEET ALL THE APPLICABLE CODE. THE FLORIDA VERNACULAR IS THE PROJECT THAT THE PROJECT IS DESIGNED IN.

WE FOLLOW ALL OF THE STREET FRONT AND STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED. AND REQUESTED BY THE BOARD.

AND WE ARE ASKING THAT THIS PROJECT BE APPROVED SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE IN THE DESIGN PROCESS.

THANK YOU OPINION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, JUST TO WRAP UP, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE INTO THE RECORD SOME DOCUMENTS WE E-MAILED TO YOU LAST THURSDAY WHICH IS NOVEMBER 11. IT ALSO INCLUDES A THIRD PARTY ARCHITECT LETTER FROM A GENTLEMAN NAMED RAYMOND PACHE CO WHO IS A REGISTERED ARCHITECT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT THE ARCHITECT HE REVIEWED FOR THE PROJECT IS IN FACT FLORIDA VERNACULAR. I WILL PRESENT THIS INTO THE RECORD. WE HAVE CONCLUDED OUR PRESENTATION AND HERE TO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU MAY H HAVE. ONE MORE NOTE, WE ARE KEEPING OUR PRESENTATION TO ONLY THE CRITERIA IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE ARE NOT FOCUSING ON UTILITIES AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT RELEVANT AND MATERIAL TO THE ISSUE AT HAND BUT ARE READY TO ADDRESS THOSE IN OUR REBUTTAL IF YOU OR THE PUBLIC

REQUIRE IT. >> PAT MCCORMACK: I WOULD LIKE THE RECORD TO REFLECT MATERIALS BY MISSILEEN AVERY-SMITH WAS PROVIDED TO THE OPPOSITION COUNCIL.

>> HENRY DEAN: READY TO HEAR WERE MR. BROOKS.

>> PAT MCCORMACK: YES, MR. BROOKS OR HIS EXPERT.

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>> MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEM MEMBERS.

I AM AN ARCHITECT FROM GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA.

I HAVE BEEN REGISTERED ARCHITECT SINCE 1974.

I DID MY GRADUATE -- UNDERGRADUATE WORK AT UF AND GRADUATE STUDIES AND HISTORIC PRESENTATION THROUGH '78.

A MEMBER OF AIA. HAD OCCASION TO CHAIR THE STATE'S HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE AND CURRENTLY SERVE AS VICE-CHAIRMAN OF THE CITY OF GAINESVILLE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW BOARD. I HAVE BEEN ASKED TODAY TO COMMENT WITH REGARD TO THE USE OF THE TERM "FLORIDA VERN VERNACULAR." AND I HAVE HAD OCCASION TO OBSERVE THREE, PAGE ONE OF TWO, SECTION D, WITH THAT DEFI DEFINITION. I WANT TO COMMENT ON WHAT I FEEL IS THE DOMINANT CHARACTERISTICS OF FLORIDA VERNACULAR. AS OBSERVED HORIZONTAL SIDING, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO USE HARDY BOARD WHICH IS A QUARTER OF AN INCH THICK, AS ONE WOULD ENCOUNTER IT WITH THE -- WITH THE SCALE OF THE STRUCTURE.

THIS WILL CERTAINLY NOT BE A DOMINANT ELEMENT.

FLORIDA VERNACULAR ALSO IS CHARACTERIZED BY THE USE OF CORNER CASING IN REGARD TO WINDOWS, HEAD CASING WHICH IS A PROTECTIVE ELEMENT. TOP OF THE CASING.

SIDE CASINGS AND WINDOWSILLS. THESE SEND TO BE SINGULARLY AND MOLDED TOGETHER IN TWOS AND OCCASIONALLY AS BAYS.

DOORS AND FLORIDA VERNACULAR, LIKEWISE, TEND TO HAVE A HEAD AND SIDE CASING. AND BE PANELLED.

QUITE OFTEN IN WOOD. ANOTHER ELEMENT TYPICALLY IS WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTIAL TENDS TO BE OFFGRADE.

ROOF PITCH MORE COMMONLY WHILE THESE ARE HIPS PREDOMINANTLY AT LOWER ANGLE OF GRADE OR PITCH TEND -- TYPICALLY NOT MULTIPLE PITCHES, EXCEPT, PERHAPS, OVER A DOOR ENTRY.

THE POSTS TEND TO BE PLAIN, SIMPLE AS REFLECTED IN THE ELEVATION. HOWEVER, RAILINGS TEND NOT TO BE THIN METAL ELEMENTS IN THE COMPOSITION.

THE APPLICANT HAS IDENTIFIED IN THE SECTION IN SEVERAL PLACES, WOOD LOOK. WHICH I -- A TERM I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH. AND I CAN ONLY GUESS WHAT "WOOD LOOK" MIGHT CONSTITUTE. IN MANY WAYS, AS IT PRESENTS ITSELF AT THIS SCALE IN MY OPINION DOES NOT QUALIFY AS FLORIDA VERNACULAR. I THINK THE DESIGN IS PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE FOR MANY OTHER SETTINGS WHERE THERE IS NOT THE GUIDELINE OVERLAY AS DESCRIBED IN THE REFERENCED PORTION OF THE GUIDELINES HERE. I ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU

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MIGHT HAVE. >> PAT MCCORMACK: ANY

QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? >> HENRY DEAN: RALPH, YOU WANT TO PROCEED. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> RIGHT. SO MR. CHAIR, I BELIEVE THE INTENT NOW IS TO GO INTO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

I BELIEVE MR. BROOKS WILL I GUESS AS PART OF THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC MEMBERS WHO

WILL PROVIDE COMMENT. >> HENRY DEAN: WE HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS' QUESTIONS FIRST I OVERLOOKED.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. EXCUSE ME, SIR.

WOULD YOU COME BACK UP, PLEASE. COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC TO DESCRIBE -- THIS IS NOT FLORIDA VERNACULAR OPINION CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT IN YOUR OPINION -- YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION WOULD THIS BE, WHAT TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE?

>> WELL, I THINK THIS COULD BE JUST FINE IN KEY WEST.

I MEAN THERE ARE MANY -- I -- I SENT MY -- HERE IS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GUIDELINES TO THIS PARTICULAR SETTING.

AND MANY THINGS CAN BE GOOD AND OTHERWISE VERY ATTRACTIVE BUT NOT IN THE PARTICULAR CONTEXT. THIS OFTEN COMES UP.

SOMETHING THAT CAN BE VERY ATTRACTIVE, MAYBE A GOOD DESIGN, BUT NOT IN A PARTICULAR CONTEXT HERE.

THE GUIDELINES WHERE THERE ARE GUIDELINES, IN FACT, AND -- WHICH FLORIDA VERNACULAR IS A BROAD TERM.

IT DOES HAVE CHARACTERISTICS. THOSE ELEMENTS THAT I DESCRIBED ARE ONES THAT ARE PRONOUNCED AND IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SIDING. THIS -- THIS IS TYPICALLY A LAP SIDING THAT IS THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH.

IF -- IT COULD BE NOVELTY SIDING WHICH HAS A PARTICULAR VERY DISTINCT SHAPE TO BE SHINGLED WHICH OBVIOUSLY HAS DEPTH AND READS AS A MATERIAL FROM THE DISTANCE THAT FOR INSTANCE YOU ARE SEEING THIS ILLUSTRATION.

I THINK -- WELL, THAT -- THE -- THE RAILINGS, I THINK, ARE -- YOU JUST -- TO ME, A CHIPPENDALEISH ALUMINIUM RAILING, SHINY WHITE DOES NOT, IN MY OPINION, MEET THE DEFINITION OF FLORIDA VERNACULAR.

THESE ARE -- THESE ARE CRITICISMS THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE IF IT WERE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

JUST THAT WE HAVE GUIDELINES HERE WITH GOOD REASON.

AND WHILE THEY HAVE COME FORWARD WITH AN EFFORT TO ADDRESS THE GUIDELINES, I THINK IT STILL FALLS SHORT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: JUST CLARIFY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THIS IS NOT FLORIDA VERNACULAR. I WROTE DOWN KEY WEST ARCHITECTURE? IF I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE A FAIR -- I WOULD SAY ANYWHERE ON ANY COASTAL COMMUNITY.

THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN OVERLAY GUIDELINES.

IN TERMS OF STYLE, I AM TALKING OF STYLE HERE.

NOT PERFORMANCE. BUT SIMPLY A MATTER OF BEING A REASONABLE DEFINITION OF FLORIDA VERY KNACK LAB ALREADY

A. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SURE.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE ARCHITECTS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE THE ARGUEMENT THE OTHER SIDE THIS DOES MEET IT. YOU ARE SAYING IT DOES NOT.

WHAT I AM TRYING TO DETERMINE DOES THIS FIT INTO A SPECIFIC CATEGORY THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM FLORIDA VERNACULAR.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. >> I UNDERSTAND BUT SO MUCH TO INTERPRET HERE AS BEYOND WHAT I HAVE IDENTIFIED.

BUT TO USE A TERM LIKE "W "WOOD-LIKE." OR "WOOD LOOK." THAT -- -- YOU FLIP A PIECE OF HARDY BOARD OVER, AND IT HAS A LITTLE TEXTURE ON IT, ONE SIDE,

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>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SURE. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. >> HENRY DEAN: COMMISSIONER

WALDRON. >> PAUL WALDRON: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. WHICH PLACE IN VILANO TOWN CENTER IS THE BEST EXAMPLE OF FLORIDA VERNACULAR?

>> I HAVE NOT DONE A SURVEY OF VILANO BEACH IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR THAT DESCRIPTION.

I AM BASING MY COMMENTS ON MY EXPERIENCE TODAY --

>> PAUL WALDRON: WHEN YOU DROVE AROUND, DID YOU SEE A

PLACE THAT STOOD OUT TO YOU? >> I HAVE NOT.

>> PAUL WALDRON: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR.

>> HENRY DEAN: COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> PAUL WALDRON: I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT.

IF IT IS NOT OUT OF LINE, PATRICK -- OR MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN WE GET A RESPONSE WHAT HE SAID FROM THE OTHER ARCHITECT -- I AM ESTIMATING TWO AND A HALF HOURS OF PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE BY THEN, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IN YOUR MIND WILL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT LIKE COMMISSIONER DEAN SAID EARLIER.

>> HENRY DEAN: OKAY, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I HATE TO PUT STAFF ON THE SPOT AND PLEASE FOR GIVE ME.

THIS IS ON THE FLY. I WAS HOPING TO GET A SID SIDE-BY-SIDE RENDERING OF THE PICTURE HERE WHICH IS THE PROPOSED PROJECT AGAINST THE HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT HAS DEEMED TO MEET FLORIDA VERNACULAR OR JUST THE D RB AND I AM NOT AWARE OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. SOME DEEMED THAT THE HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS WOULD MEET THE VERNACULAR GUIDELINES OR ELSE IT WOULD NOT BE APPROVED. IS THAT RIGHT? I AM ASKING ANYONE WITHIN THE SOUND OF MY VOICE WHO IS AN

EXPERT ON THE FIELD. >> ON THE FLORIDA VERNACULAR? WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT THE HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS IS A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW FLORIDA VERNACULAR HAS BEEN INTER INTERPRETED. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE RAI RAILINGS, THE PATTERN OF THE RAILINGS, THE CHIPPENDALE-TILE RAILINGS, THEY ARE WHITE RAILINGS SIMILAR TO THE RAILINGS WE DESIGNED AND PROPOSED.

IF YOU LOOK. I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS. IF YOU LOOK AGAIN AT THE SPECIFIC MATERIALS PALETTE DESIGNED IN THE VILANO BEACH DESIGN GUIDELINES. YOU LOOK AT BUILDING MATERIALS, IT SHOWS CEMENT WOOD COMPOSITE AS A MATERIAL.

HARDY BOARD IS A TRADE NAME FOR CEMENT COMPOSITE WOOD SIDING.

IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE MATERIALS PALETTE CONFORMS WITH THE FLORIDA VERNACULAR. THE SCALE AND THE MASSING OF THE TWO BUILDINGS IS INCREDIBLY SIMILAR.

OBVIOUSLY THE DETAIL THAT WE ARE GOING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS RESORT PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE MUCH BETTER.

THE QUALITY OF THE MATERIALS -- >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: I WANT TO STOP YOU RIGHT THERE. BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO A REBUTTAL. MY QUESTION IS REALLY FOR THE GENTLEMAN HERE. LOOKING AT A SIDE-BY-SIDE RENDERING OF THE HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED AND DEEMED TO BE A VERNACULAR.

IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT IS THE MAJOR DIFFERENCES THAT STAND

OUT TO YOU? >> WELL, I HAVE NOT HAD OCCASION TO VISIT THAT KARP HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS; HOWEVER, FROM THE DEPICTION BEFORE US HERE, I AM NOT SURE I WOULD HAVE MOVED TO APPROVE THAT. AS AN EXAMPLE OF FLORIDA

VERNACULAR. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: I AM UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DEPICTION THAT YOU SEE HERE, IN YOUR OPINION, DOES NOT MEET FLORIDA VERNACULAR.

>> ON THE BASIS OF THE DEPICTION THAT WE JUST OBS

OBSERVED. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: OKAY.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I FULLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOUR POSITION WAS. DO WE HAVE A REAL-LIFE SHOT.

NOT JUST A DEPICTION, BUT WHAT EXISTS.

I SAW THAT ON THE SLIDE SOMEWHERE.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME. THE HOTEL AS IT STANDS TODAY.

IN YOUR OPINION THAT DOES NOT MEET FLORIDA VERNACULAR?

>> NO, NO. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK

YOU, SIR. >> YEAH, THAT'S -- THAT IS NOT

WHAT I WOULD APPROVE. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU. WHITEHURST THAWRZ ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

>> HENRY DEAN: I THINK THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT IN GENERAL?

>> PAT MCCORMACK: COMMISSIONER, THAT'S CORRECT.

>> HENRY DEAN: WE ARE READY FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS EYE TERM. WHAT WE DO HERE IS TAKE YOUR

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>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: YES, SIR.

NOW WE ARE OPENING IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3, ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO LINE UP AT BOTH PODIUMS TO MAKE THE BEST USE OF THE SPACE PROVIDED STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD BEFORE MAKING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.

YOUR TIME WILL START ONCE YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> THANK YOU. CAN I ASK THAT YOU BRINGS UP OUR PRESENTATION THINK THAT SHARED WITH YOU EARLIER.

THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ELI SA HILL AND I LIVE AT 184 LAWN AVENUE. NICE TO SEE YOU THIS MORNING.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AND LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS.

YOU WILL HEAR A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT COMPLIANCE, AS WELL AS CONCERNS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

I WILL SHARE WITH YOU MY QUICK STORY.

MY QUICK STORY IS, I BOUGHT PROPERTY IN VILANO 20 YEARS A AGO. AND MY SISTER CAME TO ME AND SAID, ELISA, THIS WILL BE THE PERFECT PLACE FOR YOU.

LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN VILANO BEACH.

>> PAT MCCORMACK: MISS HILL, IF YOU STAY NEAR THE MICR

MICROPHONE. >> LOOK WHAT IS HAPPENING IN VILANO BEACH. THIS WILL BE THE PERFECT PLACE FOR YOU. SO 20 YEARS AGO I BOUGHT A CONDO. AND NOT LONG AFTER THAT, I GOT MARRIED IN ST. AUGUSTINE, AND TODAY I AM A PERMANENT RESIDENT AND I BOUGHT MY NOW 2016. I AM A VERY HAPPY RESIDENT OF VILANO BEACH. BUT TO TALK ABOUT THE COMPLIANCE ISSUES. AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ACREAGE, WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT THE ACREAGE.

YOU GO ON TO THE GIS WEB SITE, YOU CAN SEE THESE THREE PARCELS ADD UP TO 3.21 ACRES. NOT WHAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT OF 3.88 ACRES. YOU CAN CHANGE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO IN OUR RECOMMENDATION AND IN OUR OPINION, WE DON'T FEEL THIS HOTEL FITS IN THE BUILDABLE PROPERTY THAT IS ONE OF OUR COMPLIANCE ISSUES AND OUR POINTS. THANK YOU.

>> THIS IS MICHAEL COMPTON. 114 3RD STREET.

I LIVE IN THE NORTH BEACH AREA --

>> PAT MCCORMACK: PARDON MY. FOR THE SLIDE THAT IS UP ON THE SCREEN, I DO WANT TO MENTION, CORRECT NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY DAY -- MY UNDERSTANDING MISS HILL AND PERHAPS SOME OTHERS GOT THAT OFF OF THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEB SITE, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS AN ACCURATE. I DON'T WANT THE BOARD TO SENSE THAT THAT COUNTY DATA MEANS THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS'S GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND GIS STAFF HAS ARRIVED AT THAT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT NOTE. THANK YOU.

>> AGAIN, I HAVE AN A RESIDENT OF NORTH BEACH FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS. I DREW THE SHORT STRAW ON THE VERNACULAR TERMINOLOGY SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

I THINK WE ALREADY -- NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

I THINK WE ALSO HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS SLIDE ALREADY AND THE OTHER SLIDE. AND I THINK THE ATTORNEY HERE -- THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS ALREADY MENTIONED WE DID NOT RECEIVE THE -- THE ARCHITECTURAL APPRAISAL FROM THE OTHER ARCHITECT EARLY WHEN WE HOPED TO.

I WON'T BE REPETITIVE TO THE ISSUES THAT HE ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY LAST SUNDAY, YOU ALL WERE PROBABLY OUT.

A BEAUTIFUL SUNDAY AFTERNOON. SO NICE.

I WENT OUT FOR A RUN IN OUR NORTH BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH I DO TWO OR THREE TIMES A WEEK. AND I WAS RUNNING.

AND A COUPLE STOPPEDLY. AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY GETTING MARRIED AT SERENADO BEACH. THEY RENTED AN AIR LINE.

THEY WANTED TO FIND OUT -- AIR B AND B AND WANTED TO FIND OUT WHERE IT WAS. ONE THING THAT NEVER BEEN HERE BEFORE BUT THIS AREA HAS A REAL VIBE.

I SAID THAT IS AN INTERESTING TO HEAR.

SHE SAID IT IS NOTICEABLE. JUST RIDING AROUND AND SEEING PEOPLE AND TALKING TO THEM. SO I WILL NOT GO THROUGH ALL THESE DETAILS. YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON STAFF TO DO THAT AND I DON'T THINK WE ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED WE DID NOT RECEIVE SOME OF THE INFORMATION EARLY ENOUGH TO RESPOND IT BUT I WILL SAY THAT YOU ARE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.

WE HAVE YOU TO PROVIDE THE VERNACULAR OF OUR AREA AND WE

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AND I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE VEHICULAR OF OUR AREA AND THE VIBE.

IT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE WANT TO RETAIN FOR OUR CITIZENS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>> MAUREEN LONG, CASTILLE STREET.

I AM FROM MENENDEZ PARK. MY SLIDE IS -- AND THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE. THESE ARE THE THINGS I AM GOING TO HIT ON AND TOUCH ON AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE NOT SUBMITTED. AND I AM GOING TO START WITH SOME PICTURES THAT I HAVE ALSO. YOU SEE THAT IS SAYS THAT THE TYPOGRAPHICAL SURVEY WAS NOT PROVIDED.

THE TOP GRAPHICAL SURVEY IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

HAVE IT FROM THE OVERLAY. IF YOU CAN SEE THIS.

THE TOP GRAPHICAL SURVEY AND WHAT THE MAP LOOKS LIKE.

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT AN AREA SO CLOSE TO THE BEACH AND THE OCEAN.

WE USE THIS SURVEY AS A VALUABLE TOOL TO SHOW HOW THE LAND LOOKS NOW AND HOW TO AFFECT THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. EXTREMELY VALUABLE, AS I SAID, IF YOU WERE AT THE BEACH -- BUILDING AT THE BEACH.

THE NEXT ONE IS OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE NOT.

LOOKING AT THE WING DOE TO FACADE RATIO.

WINDOW DISTANCE FROM THE BUILDING CORNERS, EVEN ON THIS OTHER ONE THAT WAS PROVIDED AT THE DRB MEETING, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE.

THERE ARE NO RATIO PROPORTIONS. HARD TO SEE IT IN THE REND RENDERINGS AND NO NUMBERS TO GIVE LINKS TO IT.

THE NEXT ONE IS ON SIDEWALKS OF THE BEGINNING OF THE GARAGE.

YOU SEE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS THERE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE ANY SIDEWALKS DISPLAYED OR SHOWN ON THIS.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE NOT SUPPLIED IS ON YOUR LANDSCAPING DESIGN SITE PLANS, THEY SHOULD HAVE THE LANDSCAPE NAME, THE LICENSE NUMBER AND THE SEAL.

AND THESE ARE -- I BLEW IT UP JUST TO SEE, AND THIS IS WHAT IS ON THERE. THERE IS NO LICENSE.

DOESN'T HAVE THE PERSON'S NAME OR THE LICENSE NUMBER THERE EITHER. LET'S SEE.

AND ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS IT STATES THAT THE APPLICATION WAS READY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH DRB WHEN ALL THE ISSUES WERE ADDRESSED. WITH THESE MISSING REQUIR! REQUIREMENTS, IT IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS ELIGIBLE FOR A HEARING. THE SITE PLAN SEEMED TO BE VAGUE AND LITTLE IN DETAIL. NEXT WE WILL MOVE ONTO A LITTLE BIT WHAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT, THE DESIGN HERE.

YOU WILL SEE HERE THAT THE WINDOWS AND SHUTTERS THAT THEY HAVE, OR EVEN THE BANNISTERS ARE VERY PLAIN AND THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A DESIGN TO THEM. YOU LOOK AT SEE THE SHUTTERS THAT ARE HERE AROUND THE COLORS -- THE COLORS ARE VERY MONOTONE AND THEY GIVE YOU THE COLORS WHEN YOU HAVE THIS FROM VILANO.

THE COUNTY GIVES IT TO YOU. IF YOU NOTICE, THAT HERE ON THIS, IN THE BOMB TOMORROW IS BLACK.

NOT PART OF THE COLORS IN HERE. IT DOESN'T BRING THAT VIBE THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. WITH ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS DISREGARDED, IT SEEMS EASY TO ME TO SEE HOW A DENIAL WAS GIVEN. I ASK TO YOU UPHOLD THE DECISION OF THE CACHE NORTH COASTAL DESIGN REVIEW BOARD THAT GAVE THE DENIAL. THANK YOU.

>> PAT MCCORMACK: MADAM, IF YOU COLLECT THOSE EXHIBITS AND BRING THEM HERE, WE WILL PLACE THEM ON THE RECORD.

>> HI, ANDY HILL, 184 LAWN AVENUE.

I HAVE A LOVE AFFAIR WITH VILANO.

MY WIFE AND I STARTED VILANO FEST FIVE YEARS AGO.

THE TOUR OF HOME AND SEA IF I RECALL SOIREE AND INVESTED MONTHS OF OUR TIME AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF OUR OWN PERSONAL MONEY BECAUSE WE LOVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY. WE FEEL IT IS AT THREAT.

IT IS NOT JUST FILL. THERE IS SOMETHING THAT SEEMS A LITTLE OFF IN THE PROCESS. I THINK THIS GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS WHO HIRED EXPERTS, WHO WORKED WITH THE COUNTY, WHO WORKED WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND TRIED TO COLLABORATE WITH KEITH TRY TO DO OUR BEST AND USE THE DAY THAT WE HAVE, THE DATA THAT WE HAVE IS WE ARE OVER THE DEVELOPER BUILDABLE AREA. AND PART OF IT IS BECAUSE OF THE -- THE FLOOR TO AREA RATIO AND JUST DOUBT.

THIS IS WHERE WE ARE CONFIDENT BECAUSE WE SPENT MONTHS TRYING TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THIS. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT OUR NUMBERS ARE RIGHT. AND SO WE TALK ABOUT -- WE HEAR ABOUT COLLABORATION. WE GOT NEW NEWS THIS MORNING ABOUT AN HOUR BEFORE THE MEETING.

AND THAT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BE

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STATE'S HOTELS AND MOTELS EXTENDED STAY BED AND BREAKFAST SHOULD NOT EXCEED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES.

THE SCOREBOARD IS NOT LOOKING VERY GOOD FOR US.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOT VERSUS WHERE THIS IS TAKING US, I THINK WE -- I DON'T WANT TO SUPPOSE THE DECISION NEWSCAST MAKE, BUT I HOPE THIS WEIGHS INTO THE DECISION THAT IT IS NOW THAT WE CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.

WE HAVE AS -- AS DISCUSSED A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT EVERYONE HERE IS ALIGNED TO.

WE HAVE ALIGNED TO. MANY OF US HAVE MOVED TO VILANO FOR THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT IS AT RISK.

WE LOVE TO THE LEFT -- OOPS, I AM SORRY.

WE LOVE THE LEFT, THE RIGHT DOES NOT FIT.

VILANO -- SORRY, FLORIDA MAIN STREET, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH T THEM. THE LEFT IS IN COMPLIANCE WHAT A FLORIDA MAIN STREET IS, THE RIGHT IS NOT.

I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. WHEN WE GO OVER THE BRIDGE AND SEE THAT BEAUTIFUL VILANO WHEN WE COME HOME, WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE. RIGHT NOW IT IS STARTING TO BE A LOT OF HIGH-RISE HOTELS WITHOUT THE REST OF IT.

THE LAST THING I WILL GO -- AND I LOVE THE THOUGHT OF COLLABORATION AND I AM HAPPY TO COLLABORATE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS PROCESS NECESSARILY WORKS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCENARIO PUT FORWARD IN 2020 ON THIS PROPERTY AND LOOK WHAT IT HAS COME DOWN TO. COMMISSIONERS, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. WE ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS AND MAYBE NOT THE MOST POLISHED OR BEST OF IT AND WE ARE GIVING OUR BEST AND WE LOVE OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> KATHY ASON, 307 12TH STREET ON MM.

I ACTUALLY MOVED HERE -- ON VILANO.

I ACTUALLY MOVED HERE IN 202 AND I HAVE BEEN COMING HERE SINCE THE '70S. I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES.

I FELL IN LOVE WITH IT THEN. AND I STILL LOVE IT NOW.

BUT I HAVE SO MANY RESERVATIONS AS TO WHERE THINGS ARE HEADING.

PART OF THE CODE PROHIBITS OBSTRUCTION OF THE OCEAN VIEW FROM THE BRIDGE. AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN DOCUMENTED. THE VIEW IS IMPORTANT TO THE LOCALS. IT SAYS "I'M HOME." THE OCEAN VIEW AS WE HIKE BACK OVER THE BRIDGE MEANS WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT TO THE END. THE ECONOMICS OF THAT VIEW D DRAWS PEOPLE TO OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND TO OUR RESTAURANTS AND TO OUR BEACHES. AND RIGHT NOW NO DOCUMENTATION OF THE BRIDGE SHED, THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REQUIRES IT IN THEIR OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES.

THERE HAVE BEEN NO DRAWINGS SHOWING THE VIEW SHED SUBM SUBMITTED. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE

CAN CONTINUE WITH THE HEARING. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMIS COMMISSIONERS. BRE ALEXANDER AND I WILL TALK OF THE PARKING GARAGE VIOLATIONS.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

PARKING GARAGES SHALL BE PROHIBITED FROM FRONTING ON COASTAL HIGHWAY, POPLAR AVENUE AND SEPARATED FROM FRONTAGE AND FRONT SETBACK. YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF THE CODE UP THERE. THE PROPOSED PARKING, AGAIN, BASED ON THE INFORMATION A WE RECEIVED, THE PROPOSED PARKING IS VISIBLE, IT IS CLOSER THAN 20 FEET, AND HAVE NO OCCUPIED SPACE TO SHIELD FROM PUBLIC VIEW.

THIS IS PROHIBITED. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

PARKING IS NOT BEHIND OCCUPIED SPACE ALONG VILANO ROAD AND THIS IS VISIBLE THROUGH GRATES AS PEDESTRIANS WALK BY.

THIS IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 3 3.10.05 C 4 A. NEXT SLIDE, REQUIREMENTS FOR LDC 3.10.05.C.4.A, SHOWN BEHIND -- AND DOES NOT SHOW THIS ON VILANO ROAD. PARKING IS NOT BEHIND AND VISIBLE OF THE GREAT OPENINGS AND THIS IS PROHIBITED AND CANNOT BE ALLOWED BY VARIANCE. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSION. CONGRATULATIONS CHAIRMAN DEAN, VICE-CHAIR WHITEHURS. SHANE JONES.

I AM A FLORIDA NATIVE. I HAVE BEEN COMING TO VILANO

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AUGUSTINE TECH WHICH IS FIRST COAST TECH AND I DID RECEIVE A SCHOLARSHIP AND I DID MY INTERNSHIP, AND I AM COORDINATOR AND I KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS TO OUR COMMUNITY.

SO MY SLIDE IS PERTAINING TO HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY AND HOTEL BEACH ACCESSIBILITY. YES, A REVISION WAS MADE BY THE DEVELOPER TO OUTLINE BEACH ACCESS.

I BELIEVE THERE WAS A RED DRAWING AROUND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND NOT THROUGH THE BUILDING WHICH IS FINE.

BUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS STATE, WHERE POSSIBLE, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SITES SHALL PROVIDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE REAR OF BUILDINGS WHICH IS NOT SHOWN.

AND THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE BEACHFRONT WHICH IS NOT SHOWN. THE FISHING PIER BUSINESSES, PARKING ALLEYS AND OF THE EXISTING BUSINESSES.

THEY WERE NOT SHOWN. WHERE DOES THE PUBLIC GET ACCESS OF THE BEACH. IT WAS SHOWN AS IT WAS GOING OUT; HOWEVER, A LIMITED MOBILITY PERSON, MAYBE SOMEBODY WHO IS AN AMPUTEE WHO HAS A PROSTHETIC, SOMEONE IN A WHEELCHAIR, COMBINATION OF T THAT, WILL THERE BE STEPS? WE JUST HAD THE BIG NORTHEASTER TAKE OUT THE STEP THE LOCAL BEACH ACCESS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. WHAT IS THEIR PLAN TO MAKE ACCESSIBLE FOR THE HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBILITY? ALSO, REQUIRES ENTRY AND DROP-OFF, DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE TO HOTEL, BEEN AROUND TO THE FRONT DOOR FOR THE PORCH AND RETAIL.

HOW ARE THESE ASSOCIATES STATION STAYING HERE GET TO THE SECOND FLOOR RAISED UP OFF THE SIDEWALK.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE ON THE LEFT-HAND SLIDE.

THE ONLY RAMP IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER.

IF YOU ENTER WHERE THE BOTTOM ARROW COMES IN AND IN THE LOBBY AND YOU GO OUT AND SHOPPING AT PUBLIX.

THE ONLY WAY TO GO BACK IS WHERE PEOPLE ARE CHECKING IN AND DRIVING. AND IF OFF WHEELCHAIR, PROSTHETICS OR ANYBODY HAS TO THAT CAN'T WALK STEPS.

YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO WHERE THE LOADING DOCK IS AND THE DUMPSTER IS TO GET ON TO THAT LEVEL TO ACCESS TO THE WHEELCHAIR. NOT VERY FAIR TO THEM.

NO RAMP STATED AS BEACH ACCESS AND ONE BIG PROBLEM THERE.

I WILL TELL YOU THIS THE HOTEL PROPOSED 194 ROOMS, 19 MORE ROOMS THAN THE EMBASSY SUITES BUILT IN ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH.

WE DON'T NEED AND WANT THIS HOTEL.

THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. I AM A FLORIDA NATIVE.

I AM PROUD OF IT. I LOVE LIVING HERE.

I CHOSE TO MOVE BACK IN 2018, MY WIFE AND I.

I LIVED IN FIVE OTHER STATES. WE CHOSE VILANO BECAUSE OF WHAT IT IS TODAY. NOT BECAUSE OF THIS.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> OKAY. I AM SALLY O'HARA, 35 KINGS ROAD AND I AM TALKING OF THE CRA, PRESIDENT VILANO CRA, AND THE ST. JOHNS CRA BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OVERSEES THE DEVELOPMENT, AS YOU KNOW, BYES RE202-184 CHAPTER 103 PARK 3 FLORIDA STATUTES AND INCORPORATED IN THAT PLAN ARE THE VISIONING OF VILANO WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES COORDINATED AND DONE IN '98 AND '99.

TO REQUIRE ETHICS TRAINING AND ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE REQUIREMENTS ON REPORT CAN FOR CRAS.

THE BOUNDARIES FOR THIS PARTICULAR CRA IN 2002 DOES INCLUDE 2806 COASTAL HIGHWAY, BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE TO CORONA.

THE CRA PLANS REQUIRE AMENDING PERIODICALLY TO UPDATE RELEVANCE AND CURRENCY, AND THEY CAN ONLY BE AMENDED BY YOU FOLKS, THE BOCC ACTING AS THE CRA BOARD.

YOU NEED TO NOTIFY THE TAXING AUTHORITIES BY REGISTERED MAIL ON ANY PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN CHANGED.

AMENDMENTS NEED TO HAVE FINDINGS OF NECESSITY FOR THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION. THE COMP PLAN, 211908 WAS APPROVED IN MAY 2020, ACTIONS TWO PARCELS, ONE INSIDE THE CRA, ONE OUTSIDE THE CRA AND THE TOWN CENTER BOUNDARIES.

THE RESIDENTIAL REZONING CALLED FOR 25 HOTEL ROOMS AND 16 RESIDENTIAL ROOMS ON THE COASTAL HIGHWAY PROPERTY WITH 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUSINESS COMMERCIAL SPACE.

THE BUILD-OUT TODAY IS 194 ROOMS. AND THE DESIGN WAS NOT SHARED WITH THE COMMUNITY IN ADVANCE

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TO CORONA, DETAIL 12 HOTEL ROOMS. THE PLANS PACKETS FOR THESE ACTIONS REVIEW THE CRA IMPACT AND NO REVIEW WAS DONE, THAT I COULD FIND, BY THE DRC FOR THE CRA IMPACT ON THIS PROJECT. THE TIF CALCULATIONS ARE IMPACTED BY THIS ACTION. THE CRA PLAN AMOUNT, IF DONE, ARE NOT READILY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

THEY NEED TO REAFFIRM FINDINGS OF NECESSITY.

IS 194-ROOM HOTEL NECESSARY? COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION CALLS FOR COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. AND ORIGINALLY, IT WAS NISA BEING PRIME CONTACT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

IT MORPHED INTO VILANO BEACH MAIN STREET IN 2012.

WE NEED TO REVIEW AND AMEND THE CRA PLAN.

COMMUNITY ACCESSMENTS, CITIZEN SURVEY.

BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T AMENDED THE PLAN, WE DID A CITIZENS SURVEY AND WE DID PETITIONS. I HAVE GOT 169 RESPONSES CO COPIED. I WILL SUBMIT IT TO THE RECORD.

1769 NAMES. I WILL SUBMIT IT FOR THE RE

RECORD. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK

YOU, MISS O'HARA. >> AND REQUEST TO DENY.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MISS O'HARA.

AGAIN, FEEL FREE TO APPROACH ANY OF THE THREE PODIUMS, I KNOW IT MAY FEEL A LITTLE AWKWARD BUT WILL CERTAINLY

APPRECIATE IT. >> WOULD YOU PUT UP THE SLIDES, PLEASE. IS GOOD MORNING, JOHN CATEL, I AM A CITIZEN. 324 VILLAGE DRIVE AND I HOLD A DEGREE OF MECHANICAL ENGINEERING FROM COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY. AND I CAN CALCULATE.

I AM IN OPPOSITION OF THE APPEAL.

AND IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH ROOM IN VILANO TO MEET THE TOWN PLAN. THE PLAN CALL FOR 33 BERRY OF THE BUILDABLE LAND IN VILANO BEACH TO BE RESERVED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. HOTELS SHALL NEVER EXCEED RESIDENTIAL AND -- COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USE.

TODAY, THERE ARE GOING TO BE, AS PROPOSED 519 PROPOSED HO HOTELS. 38% OF THE LAND AREA WILL BE USED IN ALL OF TOWN CENTER WILL BE USED FOR HOTELS IF THAT HOTEL -- BECAUSE OF EXISTING COMMERCIAL, 36% OF THE LAND AREAS ALREADY BEING USED FOR COMMERCIAL OVER THE 33% REQUIREMENT. A NUMBER GOES UP TO 37 BECAUSE OF COMMERCIAL SPACE IN THIS PROPOSED HOTEL.

SO HERE WE ARE. 12 YEARS INTO OUR 2025 TOWN PLAN, AND WE HAVE 5% RESIDENTIAL THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING UP TO 33% HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THERE.

HOW THAT HAPPEN BY 2025, I DON'T THINK SO.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE. AND YOU HEARD ME SAY THIS.

IT IS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF -- POOF! THE MAGIC OF DISAPPEARING BUILDINGS AND PARKING LOTS.

ONLY HOTEL ROOMS COUNT FOR HOTEL CONSTRUCTION.

ONLY OPEN PARKING LOTS DON'T COUNT FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE AND COMMERCIAL DISCUSSION. SO POOF, ALL THAT LAND VA VANISHES. HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THE LAND TO HAVE THE RESIDENCES WHEN THIS HOTEL IS BUILT ONLY 17% OF THE TOWN CENTER WILL BE LEFT AS LAND THAT YOU CAN PUT RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION ON. IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THE CALCULATIONS IS MADE WITH ALL THE VANISHING LAND.

YOU CAN FILL ALL THE REMAINING VACANT LAND WITH COMMERCIAL AND STILL NOT VIOLATE THE METHOD THAT THE TOWN IS USING TO CALCULATE THE REASONABLE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THE CONTRACT IS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE FOR RESIDENTIAL TO ALWAYS BE AT LEAST AS GREAT OR EQUAL TO COMMERCIAL AND HOTEL.

YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO GET US THERE.

MAYBE THAT MEANS PUTTING A HALT ON ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION OR COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL -- I AM SORRY FOR COMMERCIAL AND HOTEL UNTIL RESIDENTIAL KEEPS UP.

PLEASE DENY THIS APPEAL. THE WAY THAT MATH IS WORKED ON THE SHEET IS THE VANISHING LAND IS 27% OF THE COMMERCIAL ACREAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY FILLED WITH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND 8% OF THE HOTEL SPACE.

SO JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT UP RESIDENCES UNLESS YOU DENY THIS PLAN. THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> HENRY DEAN: PLEASE HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE AND EMOTIONS.

WE ARE HAVING -- SO FAR A VERY CIVIL AND EXCELLENT DISCUSSION FROM BOTH SIDES, BUT IT IS REALLY INAPPROPRIATE TO APPLAUSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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>> ARE WE ABLE TO PUT THIS UP ON THE SCREEN?

>> PAT MCCORMACK: JOE, THEY WILL PUT IT UP.

>> JOE MCEARNEY, BLACKBERRY LANE.

>> PAT MCCORMACK: THAT MIC NOT VERY SNOW FALL JOE MCNARY.

I AM A RETIRED YOU ARCHITECT BUT I AM NOT HERE TO TALK OF FLORIDA VERNACULAR. I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I FEEL IS EQUALLY IMPORTANT AND GERMANE TO YOUR DECISION TODAY. IN LOOKING AT THE PAPERWORK ONLINE, BASIS OF APPEAL, PART ONE, THE APPLICATION SAYS -- OR THE APPELLANT SAY THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FLORIDA ARE VERNACULAR. THAT THEY DID FOLLOW THE OVERLAY STANDARDS. AND CERTAINLY AS WE GO THROUGH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND GO THROUGH MATERIALS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. BOY, AND WE HAVE SEEN IT ALL ALREADY. BUT LOOK HERE.

THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 31 310.0.

THE COMMISSIONERS WILL APPOINT A COASTAL DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND THAT REVIEW BOARD WILL DETERMINE COMPLIANCE.

LET'S NOT OVERLOOK THAT YOU APPOINTED THESE ACTIVE CITIZENS TO DO THEIR BEST, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY DID SO BASIS OF APPEAL NUMBER TWO. SEVERAL ERRORS WERE MADE IS THE CONTENTION. IT WAS BASED ON LAYPERSON'S OPINIONS. LOOK AT THAT.

BASED ON LAYPERSON'S OPINIONS AND MEMBER SASHA MARTIN PREJUDGED THE APPLICATION. PREJUDGED THE APPLICATION.

MY GOODNESS. AS A MEMBER, SHE WAS GIVEN A LARGE PACKET OF INFORMATION AND CAME TO THE MEETING PREPARED.

AND PREPARED A 22-PAGE WRITTEN REPORT.

SO QUICKLY, A BASIS FOR DENYING THIS APPEAL.

ONE, YOU APPOINTED THE CITIZENS TO REVIEW.

THEY MADE AN INFORMED DECISION. THE COUNTY SHOULD REJECT THE CLAIM THAT IT SHOULD BE THE OPINIONS OF PROFESSIONALS AND NOT CITIZEN BOARDS THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT.

YOUR CITIZENS WERE ENTRUSTED TO MAKE THE DECISION, AND THEY DID. THE COUNTY SHOULD REJECT THE ACERTIFICATING OF PREJUDGEMENT. MY GOODNESS, A 22-PAGE REVIEW.

SHE CAME TO THE MEETING PREPARED.

AND THE COUNTY SHOULD UPHOLD THE DRB JUDGMENT BY YOUR OWN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. YOU ENTRUSTED THIS GROUP TO MAKE DECISIONS WITH RESPECT TO COMPLIANCE.

MAY BE A FIFTH REASON FOR A DENYING.

I TALKED TO MISS MARTIN. THERE MAY BE A FIFTH REASON.

AS AN ARCHITECT I ALWAYS WANT TO COME TO THE MEETING PREPARED SO THAT THERE WILL BE A POSITIVE OUTCOME.

TRY TO PUT ALL OF THE PIECES TOGETHER.

LOOK HERE. THE COUNTY WANTS AN OPEN DISCUSSION AND NO SURPRISES. THE COUNTY DOES.

AND YOU HAVE CREATED 3.0908 B, THE OPTIONAL PRELIMINARY RE REVIEW. WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THIS APPLICANT DID NOT REQUEST A PRELIMINARY REVIEW.

THEY TALK ABOUT REVIEW WITH STAFF.

THEY DO NOT TALK ABOUT REVIEW WITH THE DRB AHEAD OF THE DRB.

WE ARE HERE TODAY NOT BECAUSE OF THE ACTION OF THE DRB BUT BECAUSE OF THE INACTION OF THE APPELLANT.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MR. MCARY.

>> DAVE DOHERTY, RESIDENT. 826 COASTAL HIGHWAY.

2826, 28 AND 30. WHEN WE BUILT OUR PROPERTY IT WAS A ONE-HOUSE VENTURE AND MY FATHER CAME TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND SAID, HEY, CAN WE BUILD THREE HOUSES ON THIS SAME PROPERTY. THEY SAID IF YOU DON'T TOUCH THAT NATIONAL DUNE, YOU ARE ELIGIBLE TO DO THAT.

WE ARE FORTUNATE THAT WE HAD THE SUPPORT IN HOW THE LAWS WERE WRITTEN AND WE FOLLOWED THE RULES.

WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE, I APPRECIATE WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING HERE. WE ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE CLOSEST PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS.

WHEN WE MOVED TO VILANO, THERE WAS A LAUNDROMAT THAT HAD GUYS LIVING IN THE BACK AND BURNING RUBBISH ALL THE TIME.

PUBLIX WASN'T THERE. MY FATHER-IN-LAW WASN'T NECESSARILY FOR IT AND OVER TIME, WE HAVE LOVED IT.

GROWTH IS WHAT WE NEED IN VILANO.

WE HAVE MANY BUSINESSES THAT STRUGGLE.

I THINK IN THE WINTER MONTHS BECAUSE NOT MUCH TRAFFIC OVER THERE. SO, AS WE TALK ABOUT IT.

WE WANT TO DEVELOPMENT A COMMUNITY WE CAN WALK.

I WANT TO PARK MY CAR ON FRIDAY AND NEVER LEAVE VILANO, BUT IT IS NOT THAT WAY RIGHT NOW. WE NEED MORE RESTAURANTS AND I THINK THE PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE DESIGNING, WE HAVE HAD A VACANT LOT SITTING THERE THAT THEY BOUGHT.

WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND A COUPLE OF REASONS ARE, THE VIBRANCY OF THE BEACH, THE ABILITY TO WALK, AND ALSO, WE THINK THEY WILL BE A GOOD CITIZEN AND HELP WITH THE CL CLEAN-UP IN VILANO.

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A PLACE I RECOMMEND PEOPLE GO SEE AND HANG OUT AND THIS COULD BE THE SAME THING FOR VILANO. SO I WANTED TO COME HERE.

I CAME TO THE LAST MEETING AND A LOT OF NEGATIVE COMMENT AND A LOT OF I JUST WANT TO BE ONE VOICE SAYING, THANK YOU, WE LIVE CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY. WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THE GROWTH AND WE THINK THEY WILL BE A GOOD CORPORATE CITIZEN TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND THRIVE. THERE IS THE ONE -- IT IS A SUNGLASSES SHOP. AND THAT GUY -- HE AND HIS WIFE STAY OPEN IN THE WINTER EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO BUSINESS.

BECHINI'S, ALL THESE PLACE ALSO WELCOME MORE TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE TO VILANO TO HELP THEIR BUSINESSES THRIVE.

SO I WANTED TO GET ON RECORD. DAVID DOHERTY.

THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER, GEORGIA K ATZ, SEAGATE LANE. I WAS FORTUNATE TO WORK AS A COUNTY PLANNER WITH THE COMMUNITY OVER TEN YEARS.

I WAS THERE FROM THE BEGINNING. THE AWARD-WINNING VILANO MASTER PLAN, THE VISION PLAN, ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CRA AND CREATION OF THE COMP PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN CODE.

ALL THIS AND MORE WAS ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH A SUCCESSFUL PARTNERSHIP OF FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. THE MULTIAGENCY RESULTED IN A RECEIPT OF $10 MILLION AND MORE AND TAX FUNDED GRANTS FROM PLANNING STUDIES, MARKETING PRO-BOROTURES, BEACHFRONT RECREATIONAL AREAS AND ON AND ON NOT TO MENTION THE VOLUNTEER HOURS THAT ADD UP TO A SMALL FORTUNE.

THE MASTER PLAN IS FOR A NEW TRADITIONAL DOWNTOWN.

WINTER PARK, NAPELE,ER IN NANDINA BEACH ALL OF WHICH IS ECONOMICALLY SUCCESSFUL. COMMERCE, RESIDENTIAL AND HOTEL. THIS MIXTURE SUPPORTS THE COMMUNITY'S DESIRE NOT TO BE A HOTEL, MOTEL ROAD LIKE THE ORIGINAL ZONING ALLOWED. THE BALANCE OF USES IN THE TOWN CENTER ALLOW 30% HOTEL. UNIQUE, WELL-DESIGNED, ART DECO AND FLORIDA VERNACULAR AND FLORIDA ARCHITECTURAL REGULATIONS IS KEY TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

FURTHER ESTABLISHES THE CHARACTER THE AREA OF VILANO OF UNIQUELY FUNKY HISTORIC ART DECO BUILDINGS, UNIQUE ENOUGH TO BE DESIGNATED NATIONAL AND FLORIDA MAIN STREET AND HOLLYWOOD ICON AARON SPELLING TO SET A PILOT TV SHOW AT THE MAGIC BEACH AND BUILD OUR URBAN CORE.

OUR MASTER BUILDINGS WITH USES WHERE YOU RUN THIS N AND RUN OUT IS WRATHIER A FLIES EXPERIENCE.

SPEND A DAY. ENJOY YOURSELF.

SHOP, GO OUT, EASE, BROWS IN ART GALLERIES, APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC ART, ABSORB YOUR HISTORY AND MEET YOUR YOU NEIGHBORS AND GREET VISITORS. HERE WE ARE WITH THE COMMUNITY.

ONLY FITTING THEY ARE HERE TO CARRY ON THE EFFORTS AND IMPORTANT NOTE THIS APPLICATION WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT THEIR EFFORTS. I -- I SUBMITTED COMMENTS AND LETTER TO THE CRRB OPINION MANY OF THE COMMENTS MIRROR THOSE OF THE ALLIANCE; HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE.

FIRST OF ALL, THE ONE THAT JUST CAME UP WITH REGARD TO THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY. THAT PROPERTY WAS -- THE PROPERTY WAS BASED ON THE ORDINANCES THAT APPROVED THE CPA. THE COUNTY REVIEW WAS INCOMPLETE AS REFLECTED IN THE 28 COMMENTS LISTING UNMET COMP PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.

FIVE IF NOT MET REQUIRE VARIANCES.

THE LAST-MINUTE COUNTY ARCHITECT STATEMENT DOES NOT PROVIDE REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION OF THE LDC AS -- FIRST OF ALL, IT DOES NOT MEET THE LDC CODE.

HE DID NOT GO THROUGH THE LEST OF THE CODE TO SAY WHAT WAS WRITE AND WHAT WAS WRONG AND DID NOT PROVIDED TO THE DRB PRIOR TO THEIR HEARING AS REQUIRED BY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 35% TO ENSURE --

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: WE

HAVE TO BE FIRE EVERYBODY. >> I GOT THREE MINUTES TO DONATE. IS THAT POSSIBLE?

>> HENRY DEAN: NEXT SPEAKER. >> I TRIED.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: YOU CAN ASK SOMEBODY TO FINISH YOUR

COMMENTS IF WOULD YOU LIKE. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: MISS

TATE, YOU CAN BEGIN. >> GOOD MORNING, BETH TATE, ST.

JOHNS, 22359. I'M HERE THIS MORNING NO N SUPPORT OF THE NORTH BEACH COMMUNITY ALLIANCE.

I READ THROUGH ALL OF THE MATERIALS AND LOOKED AT THE INFORMATION THEY PROVIDED AND LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY

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AND I THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE WHEN THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD DENIED THE APPLICATION. WHAT I BELIEVE TODAY IS THAT THIS APPEAL IS ACTUALLY MORE OF A SYMPTOM OF A BIGGER PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS OF HOW THE COUNTY HAS BEEN GROWING OVER AND OVER. WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT A 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ADJUSTED IN HOW MANY YE YEARS. SO IT IS A GOOD TIME.

WE REALLY DO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A GROWTH MANAGEABILITY WORKSHOP AND PUT PLANS IN PLACE TO REVISE THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLANS SO WE ARE NOT IN THE SITUATION OF TRYING TO PEACE TOGETHER WHAT -- PIECE TOGETHER WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A REASONABLE DECISION BY THE COMMISSIONERS. SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE DENIAL OF THE REVIEW BOARD. THE DENIAL OF APPEAL.

AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP. THANK YOU.

>> HI, NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 ROAD IN PONTE VEDRA.

I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING MY POSITION ON THE BOARD OF THE FRIENDS OF SKAP SCENIC HIGHWAY. I REPRESENT THE SECTION OF THE SCENIC NRIRP PONTE VEDRA TO VILANO.

SO YOU KNOW I HAVE A SPECIAL PERSONAL CONCERN ABOUT THAT.

YES, WE WANT TO BRING TOURISTS TO THE BYWAY.

IT IS IMPORTANT. IT IS WHAT WE ARE ALL ABOUT.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO KILL THE GOOSE THAT LAID THE GOLDEN EGG AND PUT SO MUCH THERE THAT IT IS NOT FUN ANYMORE OR PLEASURABLE FOR PEOPLE TO VISIT.

VERY CONCERNED OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT BRIDGE.

PEOPLE GOING OVER TO ST. AUGUSTINE FROM THAT HOTEL.

A NATURAL ROUTE AND I THINK WE WILL BE STOPPED OFF ON THAT BRIDGE IF THIS IS ALLOWED. I WILL CONTINUE HER COMMENT WHICH SHE SAID 30% HOTEL MUST BE ADDRESSED TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN METHODOLOGY INFORMATION, MUST BE ACCURATE AND ALL AREAS LIMITED TO HOTEL GUESTS MUST BE INCLUDED. THE AGGREGATION OF PROPERTIES BY REALTORS ARE RESULTED IN MASSIVE BUILDINGS WAY TOO LARGE IN MASS SCALE IN PROPORTION FOR SUCH A SMALL DOWNTOWN PN.

CONCERN OF LACK OF TRANS TRANSPARENCY.

A PROJECT THAT CHANGES FROM WHAT THE MASTER PLAN SUPPORTS AND NEEDED COMMERCIAL AND PRESERVATION OF MAGIC BEACH TO A MASSIVE 192-ROOM PROJECT BEGS THE QUESTION, WAS THIS TO MISLEAD THE PUBLIC? RUSHED REVIEW BY THE APPLICANT HAS COMPROMISED THE INTEGRITY OF THIS APPLICATION AND OVERALL TOWN CENTER PLAN. IN CLOSING, THE PROPOSED BUILDING DESIGN DOES NOT MEET THE COMP PLAN OR CODE AND THE APPLICATION IS INCOMPLETE. AND WOULD ENSURE ANY NEW PROPOSAL AS A NEW APPLICATION WOULD ENSURE MEANINGFUL PUBLIC INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF THE SUCCESS.

THIS APPLICATION IS NOT JUST ABOUT ONE MASSIVE STRUCTURE BUT ALSO ABOUT A COMMUNITY EFFORT WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE FEDERAL, STATE, REGIONAL AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT'S PARTICIPATES WITH TAXPAYER FUNDS TO CREATE A SUCCESSFUL ONE OF A KIND DOWNTOWN TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS.

SHE AND I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS UPHOLD THE DRB DECISION OF DENIAL.

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

>> HI, HEATHER STUDWELL OF 325 LORS LANE FROM STOKES LANDING.

I LIVED THERE FIVE YEARS BUT 15 YEARS I LIVED ON NORTH VILANO BEACH. THESE ARE FACTS THAT I PULLED FROM THE COMMENTS AND CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING HERE.

THIS IS DEFINITELY ALONG WITH STATEMENT OF THE FACTS.

I AM VERY SORRY I AM NEW TO THIS.

GENTLEMAN IN THE MIDDLE. YOU ARE THE ATTORNEY, CORRECT?

>> PAT MCCORMACK: MADAM, ADDRESS THE BOARD.

I AM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. >> I WAS JUST CLARIFYING SO I UNDERSTAND MY COMMENTS WERE CORRECT.

I SCRATCH THIS DOWN REALLY FAST AND THIS IS WHAT I ROTE.

THE ATTORNEY STATED PRIOR TO ADDRESSING ITEM 3, WHICH IS VILANO, THAT WE CAN ONLY GIVE SUBSTANTIVE FACTS AND THE LONG DISCUSSION THAT WAS JUST HAD OVER HERE WITH THE DEVELOPER REPS AND ARCHITECTS WITH THE SITUATION OF FLORIDA VEHICLE KNACK ALREADY A. IT WAS ONLY OPINION.

IT WAS NOT PRECISE. YOU WERE SOMETHING PRECISE AND YOU WERE ASKING FOR SOMETHING PRECISE, AND YOU ARE ASKING FOR PRECISE AND NOTHING PRECISE. YOU LOOKED AT EACH OTHER SAYING THAT WAS THAT. BUT YOUR OWN ADMISSION THAT IS THE FACT AND NEVER BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS BECAUSE THEY JUST DISPROVED WHAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO DO, RIGHT THERE IMMEDIATELY THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I AM TALKING

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SO TO RECAP, YOU TOLD US THE PARAMETER OF THE COMMENTS TO BE USED IN -- AND THEN IMMEDIATELY THE DEVELOPER REPS BROKE THAT REQUIREMENT. SO BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION AND CRITERIA, THIS PROJECT SHOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD.

IT HAS NOT BEEN, YOU KNOW, PUT WITHIN THE CRITERIA OF WHICH YOU JUST STATED PRIOR TO THIS DISCUSSION.

AND I KIND OF THINK YOU SHOULD BE OFFENDED BECAUSE THEY KIND OF SKATED AROUND AND DIDN'T GIVE YOU ANY CLARITY AND EXPECTED TO YOU GO ALONG. AND YOU GUYS LIVE HERE.

AND YOU BRILLIANTLY SMART. YOU CATCH ALL KIND OF THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE MAY HAVE LET GO BY.

AND THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THEM.

AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.

BECAUSE A CASE TO BE MADE, A LEGAL CASE TO BE MADE, THIS IS NOT BEING FOLLOWED PROTOCOL AS IT SHOULD BE.

SO CERTAINLY DENY IT. CERTAINLY DENY THE IT MOVING FORWARD IF YOU WOULD. THANK YOU.

>> PAT MCCORMACK: MR. CHAIR, BEFORE THE NEXT SPEAKER, IF I MAY JUST INTERJECT, I DON'T REMEMBER USING THE PHRASE "ONLY GIVE SUBSTANTIVE FACTS." I DO REMEMBER SAYING "EVIDENCE AND ARGUMENT AND COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE WHICH WOULD AND COULD INCLUDE EXPERT OPINION."

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: I CONCUR WITH

THE COMMENTS. >> GOOD MORNING.

I AM GLEN ANDERS LIVING AT 3200 COASTAL HIGHWAY.

MY WIFE AND I ARE LONG-TERM RESIDENTS OF VILANO BEACH, ST.

AUGUSTINE, AND, OF COURSE, THE COUNTY.

FIRST I WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE. PUBLIC SERVICE IS BE A ROUGH JOB AND I AM SURE YOURS IS. AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE CHAIRMAN DEAN. IN OUR FIVE DECADES AND I HAVE BEEN PAYING TAXES FOR 45 YEARS HERE.

OUR FIVE DECADES IN VILANO BEACH, WE HAVE EXPERIENCED A LOT OF CHANGE. MUCH OF IT IS VERY GOOD.

THE PUBLIX IS SIGHTED. NICE HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, BUT VILANO BEACH TOWN CENTER PLAN. AND I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ACCOMPLISHMENTS DURING MY DECADES HERE, BUT SOME OF IT IS NOT SO GOOD.

THE TRAFFIC HAS GOTTEN PRETTY WILD AND I THINK IT IS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE WE HAVE SOME TRAGEDIES OUT THERE.

AND WE HAVE RAPIDLY INCREASING NUMBER OF ABSENTEE OWNERS WHO HAVE RENTAL PROPERTIES. AND THAT TAKES SOMETHING AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY. BUT WE REALIZE THE CHANGE IS INEVITABLE AND NECESSARY. FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH AND JOBS GROWTH. AND I AM SURE THAT IS ONE OF YOUR CONCERNS. WE WELCOME THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE TOWN CENTER AND THE RESTAURANT AND HOTELS THERE AND THE INCREASED ECONOMIC ACTIVITY; HOWEVER, THIS PROPOSAL, FOR A LARGE RESORT OF 194 ROOMS, CRAMMED INTO THE CENTER OF WHAT IS REALLY A VILLAGE, IS WRONG FOR VILANO BEACH FOR SEVERAL REASONS. FIRST, THE WATER AND TRAFFIC SITUATION I THINK IS FRAGILE AND THE ADDITION OF SO MANY HOTEL ROOMS WITH ALL THE NEW HOTEL ROOMS AND VACATION RE RENTALS COMING ONLINE. I DON'T THINK THIS HAS BEEN FULLY RESEARCHED. ANOTHER 200 VEHICLES AND HEAVY TRACTOR-TRAILERS COMING IN IS ALSO GOING TO COMPLICATE TH THINGS. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD IDEA OF PROFESSIONAL INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS WHAT THAT IS GOING TO DO TO THE SITU SITUATION.

THERE IS ALSO THE IMPACT OF 200 FLUSHING TOILETS AND SHOWERS.

AGAIN, WE NEED A MORE INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS OF WHAT THAT IS GOING TO DO IN TERMS OF OUR UTILITIES.

SECOND, THIS LARGE RESORT, AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID, IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH EITHER MUCH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE COUNTY OR THE VILANO BEACH TOWN CENTER PLAN.

BOTH CALL FOR INDEPENDENT EXPERT ASSESS MINGTS THAT I DON'T THINK HAS BEEN DONE. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE SPEND SO MANY TAXPAYER DOLLARS DOING THESE PLANS WHEN WE HAVE SO MANY VARIANCES TO IT. FINALLY, WE DON'T -- WE JUST DON'T THINK THE COUNTY SHOULD CONTINUE TO TOLERATE SOMETHING THAT BEGAN SMALL, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, AND NOW A 2 200-ROOM RESOURCE. SO THE BOTTOM LINE AND IF YOU PARDON MY FRENCH, IT IS TOO DAMN BIG.

THANK YOU. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK

YOU, SIR, VERY MUCH. >> HENRY DEAN: YES, MA'AM.

>> BARBARA JENIS, 203 PORPOISE POINT DRIVE.

25 YEARS LICENSE $REALTOR IN VILANO BEACH.

WELCOME TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS FEELS INCREDIBLE BEING HERE. I WAS A REALTOR IN 1998 AND I HELPED WITH THE DESIGN PLAN AND VISIONING THAT WE ARE ALL

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I LOVE THE TOWN CENTER PEOPLE. A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE MIGHT KNOW ME BECAUSE I WALK EVERY DAY. I WALK THE TOWN CENTER EVERY DAY AND I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE SERVICES FOR THE RESI RESIDENTS. SO LET'S JUST SAY, LIKE YOU SAID, WITH THE FACTS. I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I HEARD THAT THE APPLICANT SAID THERE ARE NO VARIANCES.

WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT DESIGN.

I AM LIKE, REALLY? IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED LOADING DOCKS ARE NOT PERMITTED ON THE FRONTAGE OF COASTAL HIGHWAY OR ON VILANO ROAD FOR THAT MATTER. I DON'T CARE IF YOU SET IT YOU HAVE 50 FEET, 400 FEET, WHATEVER.

THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED ON THE FRONTAL OF COASTAL HIGHWAY OR VILANO ROAD. WATERFRONT PROPERTIES ARE BUILDING TYPE 2. I HEARD THE APPLICANT WE HAVE APPLIED -- BUILDING TYPE 3. I HEARD THE APPLICANT SAY WE ARE GOING WITH THAT. NO, I DON'T SEE A SINGLE BUILDING SHOWING RETAIL ALONG THE WATERFRONT IN THEIR PLAN.

I SEE A POOL. I SEE HOTEL ROOMS. I DON'T SEE ANY RETAIL. I DON'T SEE ANY SERVICES FOR US. IT HAS BEEN REPEATED MANY TIMES ABOUT THE OVER 30% FOR THE HOTELS.

WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU GUYS TO ADD THE OCEANFRONT PIECE, THEY SAID 25 HOTEL ROOMS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY IS TOO MANY, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE WHEN DO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND DO YOUR MATH ON NUMBERS FOR TRAFFIC, YOU TRY TO DO THE THEORETICAL MAXIMUM.

AND YOU LOOK BACK ON THAT JUNE 2020 REPORT, THEY SAID REPEATEDLY THEORETICAL MAXIMUM AND 57.16 TRIPS BASED ON THE 25 ROOMS. THIS NEW PROPOSAL IS 146.

THEY ALSO SAID THAT THE VILANO ROAD WHERE ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC WILL BE COMING IN AND OUT OF FOR THE RESIDENT -- FOR THE HOTEL PEOPLE WILL BE ADDING AND GET UP TO 1365 WHICH IS OVER THE MAXIMUM APPROVED VOLUME FOR VILANO ROAD AND WE ARE ALREADY OVERCAPACITY. WITH THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDED THE AMPHITHEATRE VOLUME TO THAT NUMBER AT ALL OR ANY OF THE BEACH TRAFFIC, I DON'T BELIEVE. THANK YOU.

>> PAT MCCORMACK: MISS JENESS, PROVIDE THAT FOR THE RECORD.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: AS REMINDER TO PLEASE HOLD YOUR

APPLAUSE. >> MY NAME IS BARB VALENTINE.

I LIVE ON SURFSIDE. AND I WANT --

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: YOUR ADDRESS, MA'AM.

YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> 105.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU.

>> THAT YOU STILL BELIEVE WE ARE A REPUBLIC AND THIS EVERY VOICE COUNTS WHETHER IT BE FACT OR CONTINUE.

AND I AGREE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TALKED TODAY ABOUT THE VILANO AREA AND THE OVERDEVELOPMENT.

AND AT WHAT POINT DO YOU HAVE A RED LINE AND YOU SAY NO MORE WHETHER IT BE IN VILANO OR THE COUNTY.

WE NEED FOR ONE THING NOR GREEN SPACE TO BE ALLOWED AS PART OF THE FACT AND PART OF THE AMBIENCE OF THE AREA.

SECONDLY FOR VILANO, WE ARE A MID CENTURY MODERN COMMUNITY.

THAT IS SOUR AMBIENCE OR ART DECO, NOT THE FLORIDA STYLE.

AND THIS REALLY APPROPRIATE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME >> HI, MY NAME IS MICHELE BOR ANDY. I LIVE AT 128 WATER WOOD LANE.

I GREW UP IN ST. AUGUSTINE AND GRADUATED ST. AUGUSTINE HIGH.

I HAVE MANY SIBLINGS IN THE AREA AND STARTED BUSINESSES.

I MOVED BACK 10 YEARS AGO BECAUSE I WANTED TO COME HOME.

WE DO OWN A PROPERTY ON ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH.

WE PURPOSELY DO NOT SHORT RENTAL IT BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORS HAPPY. WE COULD DO THAT IF WE WANTED TO BUT WE DON'T. AND THE EMBASSY SUITES IS BEAUTIFUL. I AGREE.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU GET TO THE LOCATIONS AND HOW YOU LEAVE THEM. I DON'T GO TO ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH ANYMORE. YOU KNOW I WENT OVER TO VILANO TO HAVE DINNER A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

GO BACK NORTH OF TOWN. WE WENT TO GO TRY TO EAT DINNER AT OUTBACK AT 3:12. WE LEFT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, U.S. 1 WAS BACKED UP. ALL THE WAY TO STOKES LANDING.

THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT ON 95 AT 16.

WE CONTINUE TO CONNECT TO 16 TO COME UP PAST THE OUTLETS.

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NOW THEY'RE GOING TO PALACA TO HAVE DINNER.

THEY HAVE GROWN UP HERE TOO AND YOU'RE RUNNING THE RESIDENTS OUT. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING, VIVIAN BROWNING, 30 BEACH COMBER WAY, SURFSIDE VILANO BEACH. COMMISSIONER CHAIR DEAN, VICE COMPARE MR. WHITEHURST, COMMISSIONER, CONGRATULATIONS AND THE OTHER TWO COMMISSIONERS THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

ESPECIALLY PAUL WALDRON. I WALKED THE MEETINGS ALL THE TIME AND YOU'RE ADMIRATION TO ME PERSONALLY WITH YOUR HELP.

THANK YOU. AND COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, I HAVE KNOWN PONTE VEDRA MANY YEARS, GOOD LUCK.

THAT'S, I HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE COMMISSIONER CONKEY WAS COMMISSIONER LONG AGO. ANYWAY, 25 YEARS OF VOLUNTEER WORK IN THE TOWN CENTER AND IF YOU ENJOYED YOUR FIVE HOURS HERE TODAY, COUNT THAT BY 25 YEARS WAITING FOR THREE MINUTES UP TO EIGHT HOURS. SO, THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN HERE THE WHOLE TIME, YOU KNOW, GOD BLESS US AND GOD BLESS YOU.

I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

I AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT SOME OF US WERE HERE WHEN IT WAS ESTABLISHED.

I AM PROUD THAT WE LIMITED HOTELS TO 30%.

I SUPPORT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S POSITION OR THE DECISION OF THE COMMISSIONERS TODAY.

I SUPPORT OUR TOWN CENTER MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WHICH WILL BRING RESIDENTIAL AND THERE WOULD NOT BE A GROCERY STORE WITHOUT THE CHANGES IN OUR CODE BECAUSE IT WAS SCHEDULED FROM THE 70S ALL HEAVY COMMERCIAL. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL HOTELS.

UP AND DOWN THE STREET BUT WE'VE GOT A MIX AND THOSE OF US WHO WORK 12 YEARS ON BRINGING PUBLIX, IT WAS A LABOR OF LOVE BUT ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO UPSET TODAY HERE BEFORE YOU, CAME AFTER 2013. SO THEY MISSED THE HEAVY DUTY PLANNING, THE TOWN CENTER, THEY MISSED TAKING 12 YEARS TO BRING THE GROCERY WHICH WE NEVER THOUGHT IT WOULD TAKE THAT LONG.

SO I'M RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, CRA DIAMETER, THE GOVERNMENT HAVE A WORKSHOP OR HAVE A GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE MISSED ALL OF THAT AND THEY COULD USE THE INFORMATION TO WORK ON PROJECTS IN FUTURE AND FINALLY, I WOULD SAY IT'S REGRETTABLE, WE HAD PERSONAL ATTACKS FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO WORK ON THE ISSUES AND BE SUPPORTIVE OF OUR GOVERNMENT AS A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

I HOPE WE RETURN TO THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THIS IS MS. BROWNING. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS ROBERT SLAUSEN.

I LIVE AT 2960 COASTAL HIGHWAY IN VILANO BEACH.

I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF VILANO BEACH FOR 11 YEARS.

I JUST LIKE TO THANK THE NORTH BEACH COMMUNITY ALLIANCE FOR ALL THEIR EFFORTS TO DOCUMENT THE MANY REASONS TO DENY THIS APPEAL. I'M IN FAVOR OF UPHOLDING TO DENY APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT. THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE PROJECT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR OUR TOWN CENTER AND THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL. OUR MIXED USE TOWN CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEING OVERWHELMED WITH LARGE CHAIN HOTELS. WE SHOULD STICK WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH CALLS FOR THE BALANCE OF RETAIL RESIDENTIAL RESTAURANTS AND RENTAL ROOMS TO GET A DIVERSE VIBRANT LIVEABLE AREA. I URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THIS PROJECT. IT'S INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF OUR FLORIDA MAIN STREET COMMUNITY

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LISTENING TO MY REQUEST. >> THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS CRIST AN SHERIDAN.

129 KINGSTON DRIVE. I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SPEAK TO THE GENTLEMEN FROM KEY INVESTMENTS.

> >> MADAM PLEASE ADDRESS THE

BOARD. >> WHAT I HEARD IS EVERYTHING ABOUT THE TOWN AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE HIS HOTEL RUN TO BE A GREAT INVESTMENT IN OUR AREA.

I DID NOT HEAR HIM SPEAK HOW IT EFFECTS OUR TIME AND AREA AND INFRASTRUCTURE. TOWN CENTER WHEN I HEAR THE WORD I THINK THE TOWN AND THE PEOPLE AND RESIDENTS THAT MAKE UP OUR TOWN. ALL OF THESE HOTELS ARE NOT BENEFITTING OUR TOWN. WE NEED GROWTH AND INDUSTRY HERE BUT WITHIN REASON. THIS PROJECT IS A HUGE PROJECT.

IT'S OVER SCALED AND I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE TABLED UNTIL IT CAN BE REVAMPED. WHEN I THINK THE INFRASTRUCTURE, I THINK OF THE FIRE STATION AND RESIDENTS AGING, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. CAN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GET TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO? I'M SURE THAT'S ALL BEEN ADDRESSED AT EARLIER MEETINGS I HAVE NOT BEEN AT.

I WOULD LIKE THEM TO TAKE TIME AND STEP BACK TO REMEMBER PEOPLE

WHO LIVE HERE. >> B.J. KLATY, WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. I TRULY HAVE ENJOYED THE LAST 99 MINUTES. I TRULY HAVE ENJOYED THAT.

I DON'T ALWAYS SAY THAT DO I? HERE'S MY TWO THINGS.

TABLE IT. OR UPHOLD THE NORTH COAST DESIGN REVIEW BOARD DENYING THIS APPLICATION BASED ON COMPETENCE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE OF RESIDENTS WHO HAVE SPOKEN.

LET ME THANK THE COMPETENT RESIDENTS FOR USING THEIR THREE MINUTES OF FREE SPEECH. SOMETIMES WITH THEIR E-MAILS AND CALLS THEY DON'T GET TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME WITH THE BOARD AND THE STAFF SO I TRULY DO APPRECIATE THEM TAKING THE TIME AND DON'T CLAP ANYMORE. TO COME IN HERE AND SPEAK FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. WHEN WE COME IN AND THAT'S WHY WE HOPE YOU LISTEN TO WHAT'S GOING ON AND UPHOLD WHAT THIS OVER VIEW DESIGN BOARD BROUGHT AND MADE THEIR DECISION.

WE NEED TO GO WITH THE DECISIONS WHICH THEY HAVE SPENT TIME ON TOO. I HOPE YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION. I KNOW IT'S A LOT TO TAKE IN 99 MINUTES. I DID TIME IT.

IT'S IMPORTANT AND THAT'S WHY THE PEOPLE COMING IN HERE WHEREVER THEY LEAVE AND WHATEVER THE DECISION IS, LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU DO APPRECIATE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TODAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE GOING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS BECAUSE I'M REPRESENTING THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.

>> MS. MARTIN. IT'S YOUR TURN.

>> I WONDER -- >> THIS IS SASHA MARTIN.

133 COASTAL HOLLOW CIRCLE. I WONDER IF I COULD ASK TO ADDRESS ALAN AVERY SMITH REGARDING HER CLAIM OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD PROCEDURAL ERROR.

>> YOU CAN DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD.

>> OKAY. WELL, IN THAT RESPECT THEN, I WANTED TO SAY THE REASON THAT THERE IS A CLAIM OF A PROCEDURAL ERROR IS THAT WHEN I DO MY EVALUATION ON THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, I SIT FOR HOURS GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING COMPARING IT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE OVERLAY OF THE TOWN CENTER DESIGN GUIDELINES. WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO MAKE A REVIEW OF THE PARTICULAR PROJECT.

AND I WROTE MY EVALUATION DOWN SO WHEN IT COMES TIME IN THE MEETING I CAN ACTUALLY EXPLAIN THAT.

AND WHAT I DID WAS I WROTE IT UP.

ALL THE THINGS THAT I HAD PROBLEMS WITH OR QUESTIONS ON.

AND I PRESENTED IT TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IN WRITING

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AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T CONSIDER IT A PROCEDURAL ERROR.

IT'S WHAT I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO STATE DURING MEETING ITSELF.

>> OKAY. I HAVE GENERAL COMMENTS THOUGH.

I HAVE RECENTLY BEEN FRUSTRATED AND DISAPPOINTED IN MY ROLE AZ MEMBER OF THE VOLUNTEER NORTH COASTAL REVIEW BOARD.

ACCORDING TO LDC 3.09. THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THIS DISTRICT IS TO ENCOURAGE AND RESPECT THE AREA HISTORY WITH STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES THAT REFLECT OUR HISTORY AND SUSTAINING GROWTH, EXCUSE ME, AND SUSTAINING AND SUPPORTING A SENSE OF PLACE IN OUR UNIQUE BEACH COMMUNITY.

IT IS ALSO THE PURPOSE AND INTENT TO PROTECT SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL USES, PROTECT SCENIC VISTAS AND VIEWS AND ENHANCE THE PHYSICAL APPEARANCE OF THE AREA THROUGH SITE AND BUILDING DESIGN GUIDELINES AND CONTROLS. THAT'S IS STATED IN THE LDC.

THE LAST TWO PROJECTS INCLUDING THIS ONE WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO REVIEW OUR LARGE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE MAJOR IMPACTS ON OUR COMMUNITY. YET BOTH CAME BEFORE US WITH NOT ONLY INCOMPLETE INFORMATION BUT ALSO INFORMATION THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN OR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IN ADDITION, THEY PRESENTED MAJOR VARIANTS FROM OUR MISSION OF SENSE OF PLACE.

>> MS. MARTIN. I'M AFRAID THAT'S YOUR TIME.

>> THE OTHER ONE WAS JUST ANSWERING.

>> IT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THE TIME WE CAN ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> RIGHT. IF I HAD KNOWN THAT, I WOULDN'T

HAVE STATED WHY I DID THAT. >> YEAH.

MR. CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS, DRB MEMBERS MAY MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEY ARE ALSO AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS SHOULD THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS. MS. MARTIN, IF THE BOARD HAS

QUESTIONS THEY WOULD RECALL YOU. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I HAD MORE GENERAL COMMENTS REGARDING THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. SO.

>> MS. MARTIN. YOU HAD THREE MINUTES.

WE'RE GIVING EVERYONE THREE MINUTES.

>> I WISH I WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT.

>> I'M SORRY. CHAIRMAN BLOCKER HAS A QUESTION.

MS. MARTIN. >> SASHA.

>> I'M SORRY. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS SINCE SHE'S REPRESENTING GOOD AFTERNOON. HOW ARE YOU?

>> OKAY. FOR AN OLD LADY.

I WANT TO GET UNDER THIS ONE ISSUE THAT CAME UP.

I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO IDENTIFY.

THE COUNTY ATTORNEY POINTED OUT THERE WAS A MISSING STEP BY A REVIEW OF AN ARCHITECT. WERE YOU AWARE OF THAT WHEN YOU

SAT AND REVIEWED THIS? >> OH, YES, THERE WAS A LOT OF MISSING PIECES OF INFORMATION AND THAT WAS ONE OF THEM.

THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WERE AWARE OF?

>> YES. I DON'T REMEMBER A SUBSTANTIAL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BY THE DEVELOPER.

IT CAME LATER. >> SO WHEN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BROUGHT UP THERE WAS STEPS MISSING, WAS THAT THE FIRST TIME THIS WAS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION?

>> THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW WAS MISSING.

>> THERE WAS AN INDEPENDENT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW?

>> YES BUT THERE WASN'T ONE. >> I UNDERSTAND.

WAS TODAY THE FIRST TIME HEARD

>> NO. >> OKAY.

SO YOU WERE AWARE OF THAT >> OH, YES.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. MARTIN.

I >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

QUESTION. >> MS. MARTIN AND THIS MAY BE A PROCEDURAL THING WITH LEGAL. IF THEY WERE MISSING STEPS, WHY

DID THE BOARD HEAR IT? >> WELL THAT'S WHAT WE SAID ORIGINALLY. WHY ARE WE BEING GIVEN THIS? IT'S NOT READY TO COME BEFORE US.

WHEN YOU SPEND HOURS AND YOU'RE GOING THROUGH IT, YOU REALIZE YOU DON'T HAVE THIS, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE OTHER THING. YOU DON'T HAVE AND ALSO IT'S OBVIOUS THAT VARIANCES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR THAT WERE NOT ASKED FOR. AND THAT IT DID NOT COMPLY WITH

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IN FACT I SENT YOU A MEMO WITH 13 INSTANCES QUOTING SPECIFIC 3.10 POINT-5 G. WHERE THAT PRESENTATION WE WERE GIVEN WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL.

>> MR. CHAIR, IF THE BOARD IS READY, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MS. MARTIN. MS. MARTIN, TYPICALLY BEFORE A DRB HEARING, YOU REVIEW THE AGENDA AND APPLICATIONS.

AND IF YOU HAVE SOME CONCERNS YOU MAY WRITE THOSE DOWN, DOCUMENT ET CETERA. BUT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. DO YOU MAKE A FINAL POSITION OR DETERMINATION ON HOW YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE BEFORE THE HEARING OR YOU WAIT UNTIL THE HEARING TO SEE WHAT WAS SAID ONE WAY OR THE

OTHER? >> I NEVER MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION EVER. BUT I HAVE AREAS OF CONCERN.

I HAVE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED.

>> OKAY. MR. CHAIR.

THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS PERSONALITY.

THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER, I HAVE MADE NOTES.

I'M ASKING YOU AS MY QUESTIONS ARE DIRECTED TO YOU.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS IDENTIFIED MISSING REQUIREMENTS.

WE HEARD ABOUT THE INDEPENDENT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.

AT THIS TIME, DID ANYONE ON THE BOARD BRING THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COUNTY THERE?

>> YES WE DID. >> WE SAID WE DON'T HAVE, AND THEN THE BED AND BREAKFAST WE LOOKED AT, OH, MY GOD.

THERE WAS SO MUCH MISSING. IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO US AND THE REVIEW BY THE COUNTY STAFF WAS NOT ONLY INSUFFICIENT BUT EGREGIOUS I HAVE TO SAY.

THE SAME WITH THIS. WHEN THEY SAID IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE OVERLAY WITHOUT PROBLEMS OR VARIANCES, AFTER I STARTED REVIEWING IT, I SAID THAT IS TOTALLY INCORRECT INFORMATION. THEY WERE A LOT OF THINGS WHERE VARIANCES SHOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE COUNTY STAFF NEVER SHOULD HAVE APPROVED AS BEING IN

COMPLIANCE. >> SO, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WAS A DISCONNECT. IN FACT THERE WAS A DISCONNECT WITH THE WHOLE BOARD. WE HAD TWO MEMBERS WHO HADN'T ATTENDED A MEETING IN SIX MONTHS.

WE WERE HAVING PROBLEMS MAKING QUORUMS SO FINALLY, WE SAID WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING WHERE WE KNOW WHERE OUR BOARD STANDS AND THEY WERE APPLICATIONS FOR THE BOARD SENTENCE LAST MAY THEY WERE NEVER BEING PRESENTED AND FINALLY WE HAD A MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. WE TOOK THE WHOLE MEETING IN SEPTEMBER TO FINALLY SAY OKAY THOSE TWO PEOPLE ARE OFF THE BOARD. ONE HAD ACTUALLY RESIGNED BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. THERE WAS NO YOU KNOW TRANSPARENCY OF INFORMATION. AND FINALLY WE WENT TO TRY TO ELECT NEW PEOPLE BUT THEN THOSE NEW PEOPLE DIDN'T COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION FOR TWO MONTHS BEFORE THEY GOT APPROVED. WELL ONE PERSON ACTUALLY MOVED FROM AN ASSOCIATE LEVEL INTO A REGULAR LEVEL.

WE ARE STILL MISSING ONE ALTERNATE.

>> WELL, I FIND YOUR ANSWER VERY CONC CONCERNING. TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY THE BEST IT CAN BE. AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR 24 YEARS, 30% OF MY LIFETIME TO MAKE THIS BARRIER COMMUNITY THE BEST IT CAN BE. AND THAT'S MY GOAL.

OKAY. THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT I

BELIEVE PATRICK. >> YEAH.

I THINK MR. BROOKS -- >> I WAS WAITING.

>> RIGHT. I THINK MR. BROOKS HAD A COMMENT

HE WAS GOING TO MAKE. >> OKAY WE HAVE ONE MORE.

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>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, DEAN. RALPH BROOKS ATTORNEY, 1217 EAST CAPE CORAL PARK WAY REPRESENTING THE NCBA.

I AM CITY COUNTY LOCAL GOVERNMENT CERTIFIED SINCE 2014.

I REPRESENTED SARASOTA COUNTY, BRADENTON.

A SAT WITH THE DRB REVIEW BOARD FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES AS THEIR ATTORNEY. I WANTED TO BRING UP A FEW LEGAL THINGS. ONE THE CASE HEMISPHERE EQUITY VERSUS MONROE COUNTY SAYS EVEN IF A COUNTY MAKES A MISTAKE TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THEY CAN CHANGE THEIR INTERPRETATIONS AND MISTAKES OF THE PAST DON'T BIND THEM TO THE FUTURE.

IF THERE ARE MISTAKE TO THE HOLIDAY INN OR HYATT, DOESN'T MEAN YOU MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES. WE LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT.

BECAUSE THOSE TWO HOTELS ARE THERE DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T ASK FOR SOMEBODY BETTER THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA.

WE ASKED YOU TO SUPPORT THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD THAT YOU CREATED. YOUR DETERMINATION TO UPHOLD THE DRB AND DENY THIS APPLICATION WOULD BE UPHELD IN COURT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE LAND DEVELOPMENT GROW CRITERIA.

IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS REQUIRED BY CHAPTER 163. TO BE CLEAR, IF YOU VOTE TO DENY THIS, YOU WOULD BE UPHELD IN COURT AND TO VOTE IS TO UPHOLD YOUR OWN DRB. CITIZEN TESTIMONY AS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS EXPLAINED CAN'T BE CONSIDERED COMPETENT EVIDENCE ALONG IT'S FACT BASED. BASED ON DESIGN CRITERIA, PLANNING MAPS AND THE WALBERG CASE THEY UPHELD DENIALS BASED ON THE NEIGHBOR'S TESTIMONY AND AERIALS.

IN SECTION 11 PROPERTY CORPORATION UPHELD A DENIAL BASED ON LAYPERSON'S TESTIMONY. THAT'S CLEAR THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT. BACK WHEN THIS HOTEL PROPERTY CAME BEFORE YOU, YOU LOOKED AT 25 HOTEL ROOMS AND 16 UNITS.

HERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT 194 ROOMS. AS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY POINTED OUT, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE LARGE MONOTONOUS BUILDING AND NO INDEPENDENT ARCHITECT WAS HIRED BEFORE THE DRB AS REQUIRED BY THE CODE SECTIONS.

WHAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS THIS DRAWING HERE IF I COULD GET THE OVER HEAD. IT'S NOT EVEN ON LETTER HEAD.

IT DOESN'T SAY HE REVIEWED THE DESIGN FOR THE DESIGN CRITERIA.

>> THANK YOU MR. BROOKS. >> I WILL TURN THE REST IN.

>> THANK YOU MR. BROOKS. >> SO, MR. CHAIR IS NOW TIME FOR THE APPLICANT APPELLANT REBUTTAL.

THE FORMAT SAYS LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES BUT MAY BE EXTENDED OR LIMITED BY THE CHAIR BASED ON OUTSTANDING MATTERS BROUGHT UP BY OTHER PARTIES. IT'S MY SENSE THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION BROUGHT UP TO THE BOARD.

>> LET'S GO WITH FIVE MINUTES. AT THE END OF FIVE MINUTES, I WILL ENTERTAIN A REQUEST TO EXTEND.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. JUST FOR THE BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ALL OF THE PEOPLE FROM VILANO BEACH BEING HERE TODAY.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF CARE AND LOVE FOR VILANO AND PARTICULARLY TO MS. MARTIN. SHE'S EXCEPTIONALLY VERY BRIGHT AND AN EXCEPTIONAL JOURNALIST. I HAVE KNOWN HEAR FOR YEARS AND

APPRECIATE HER. >> MY ROLE AS A LAWYER IS TO POINT OUT THE DRB AS QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES JUST LIKE YOR BOARD HAS QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES.

I THINK SOMETIMES THOSE ARE DIFFICULT FOR LAY PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU'RE NOT IN THE ENVIRONMENT AND YOU DON'T RECEIVE PROPER TRAINING ON THEM. THIS IS A DE NOVO HEARING.

SO WHATEVER HELPED AT THE DRB STAYS AT THE DRB.

WHATEVER IS IN THE RECORD TODAY IS IN THE RECORD TODAY BEFORE YOU. AND I HAVE INTRODUCED A LOT OF EVIDENCE INTO RECORD TODAY. WE HEARD FROM OUR PLANNING EXPERT AND OUR ARCHITECTURAL EXPERT.

YOU HAVE MR. DUKES LETTER SAYING THIS ARCHITECTURE IS FLORIDA VERNACULAR AND HE MADE A COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE ON THE NOTES AND PLANS THAT HE SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD.

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AGAIN SAYING THIS IS FLORIDA VERNACULAR ARCHITECTURE.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO POINT OUT AGAIN WE HERE FOR DESIGN REVIEW BASED ON THE VILANO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE HAVE EXPERT TESTIMONY AND WRITTEN TESTIMONY FROM OTHER EXPERTS THAT THIS PROJECT AS DESIGNED MEETS EVERY PROVISION APPLICABLE FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE CAN GO THROUGH HOW.

TAYLOR HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH. WE HAVE A RESPONSE OF TO EVERY ONE OF MS. MARTIN'S COMMENTS SHE PUT DOWN IN OUR OCTOBER 13TH DOCUMENT AS ONE AS ONE ON OCTOB OCTOBER 25TH. SHE'S A VERY SMART LADY AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU READ COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR BUILDING CODES YOU HAVE TO BE A LAWYER OR ARCHITECT.

I DIDN'T ALL OF IT. I'M GOING TO TURN OVER TO SHANNON AND TAYLOR TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND THEN WE CAN ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

AND JUST AS A REMINDER. ALL OF THIS SHOULD BE IN THE NATURE OF REBUTTAL. THE OPPOSITION OF THE PUBLIC MADE COMMENTS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REB REBUTTAL.

NOT TOTALLY NEW MATERIAL. >> THANK YOU.

I WILL TRY TO KEEP IT QUICK AND STICK TO THE POINTS THAT CAME UP TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT. WANTED TO LAND ON THIS SURVEY FIRST. WE HAVE A SURVEY ON FILE, 3.88 ACRES. THIS WILL BE MORE ACCURATE THAN THE GIS SURVEY. A TOPOGRAPHIC IS NOT LISTED AT SUPPLEMENTAL REQUIREMENT FOR OVER LAY.

WE SUBMITTED ALL MATERIALS REQUIRED FOR THE OVER LAY PER THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW MANUAL. GETTING INTO THE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT ENTITLEMENTS. I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THAT MORE THAN I NEED TO. WE DO HAVE A CONFIRMATION LETTER THAT BOTH DETERMINES BUILD OUT FOR ENTIRE CORRIDOR AS THE MEASUREMENT OF DETERMINING THAT LAND USE MIX FOR THE 30% HOTEL.

THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO MEASURE IT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO POINT STOP EACH DEVELOPMENT ONE BY ONE TO HAVE A PERFECT BALANCE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CYCLE. RATHER, WHEN THE ANALYSIS WAS DONE, THEY WERE A NUMBER OF SQUARE FOOTAGES AND RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS DETERMINED TO BE THE BUILD OUT OR TOWN CENTER THAT GIVES US A VERY CLEAN LINE. ACRE ACKNOWLEDGES NOT A GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT THIS. THIS TAKES INTO CONSIDRATION HOTEL, RETAIL AND GYM AND RESTAURANT SPACE.

OUR FLOOR AREA RATIO IS 73%. OUR HEIGHT IS WITHIN THE 40 FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT. REGULATION WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER. IN TERMS OF THE LOADING --

>> I'M AFRAID THAT'S THE FIVE MINUTES.

>> LET'S DO ADDITIONAL THREE MINUTES AND THAT'S IT.

ANYTHING YOU WANT TO PRESENT. CRAM IT INTO THE NEXT THREE

MINUTES. >> I WANT TO MENTION BEFORE OUR ENTIRE POWER POINT INCLUDING THESE APPENDICE ARE IN THE RECORD. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU THE WANT TO GO TO THE ARCHITECTURE OR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

ARE THERE ANY BOARD QUESTIONS? >> NO.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.

>> WELL, WE'RE GOING TO LET THEM FINISH UP THEN THEIR

PRESENTATION. >> OKAY.

WHILE HE BRINGS THOSE UP. A COUPLE QUICK POINTS TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT. SIDEWALKS ARE PROVIDED ON THE SITE PLAN. IN TERMS OF QUESTION OF LOADING DOCKS, WE DID MEET WITH STAFF AND DETERMINED THAT OUR LOADING SERVICE AREA IS SET 26 FEET INWARD FROM COASTAL HIGHWAY.

THIS IS PAST THE ZERO FRONT SETBACK AND 12 FOOT DECK SETBACK THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED FRONTAGE ALONG COASTAL HIRE.

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IN TERMS OF THE CRA, I DO HAVE A MAP OF THE CRA BOUNDARY AND DOES SHOW THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN IT THAT I CAN SUBMIT FOR RECORD.

AND LET'S SEE HERE. I THINK THAT'S ALL.

I'M GOING TO HAND OVER TO TAYLOR.

>> AND IN TERMS OF OTHER MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BY THE OPPOSITION FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.

WE DID SUBMIT ALL OF THE REQUIRED MATERIALS FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD PORTION OF THE SUBMITTAL PROCESS.

AS SHANNON SHOWED IN THE FIRST SLIDE.

IF I COULD GET THE POWER POINT BACK UP.

JUST A FEW OTHER ITEMS IN TERMS OF GLAZING.

WE ARE WITHIN THE 25 TO 45% RANGE AS REQUIRED BY THE OVERLAY. AND WE ALSO DID STUDIES VIEW SHED STUDIES AS WELL. YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE EXISTING WITH ALL OF THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT AND THE PROPOSED. WE ARE WITHIN THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS AND OUR BUILDING IS ACTUALLY, THE VIEW IS ALREADY COMPROMISED BY THE PUBLIX AND THE SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH HOUSE THAT RED SHAPE ROOF IN THE VIEW. WE HAVE PROVIDED THOSE IN THE APPENDIX PORTION. WE EXPLAINED OUR METHODOLOGY IN DETERMINES FLORIDA VERNACULAR BASED ON OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINIONS, OUR REACHING OUT TO STAFF AND ALSO ENGAGING THE THIRD PARTY ARCHITECT AND ALSO LOOKING AT THE PRECEDENT THAT WAS ALREADY SET FORTH. AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS. >> WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

YOUR TIME TODAY. >> THANK Y'ALL.

ALL RIGHT, PATRICK, I'M SORRY. MR. WALDRON.

>> THE POINT CAME UP ABOUT ADA COMPLIANCE WHEN I MADE HOW HARD IT IS TO GET AROUND. DID YOU HAVE OTHER RAMP ACCESS

OTHER THAN COASTAL HIGHWAY? >> THERE IS A BOARD WALK RAMP THAT GOES FROM THE BEACH THROUGH THE POOL AREA UP INTO THE COURTYARD OF OUR SPACE THAT GOES AROUND AND THE ACCESS PATH GOES AROUND ALL OF THE RETAIL FRONTAGE AND THEN DOWN THE RAMP THAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE COASTAL HIGHWAY SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

>> OKAY. JUST CHECKING ON ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

>> ALSO JUST MR. BLOCKER. WITH RESPECT TO THE AWARENESS OF THE NEED FOR THE THIRD PARTY ARCHITECT FROM THE COUNTY.

WE WERE NOT AWARE OF THAT UNTIL AFTER THE DRB

>> UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU.

>> PATRICK. WHERE ARE WE?

>> WAIT A MINUTE. WE'RE WITH COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

YOUR RIGHT IS ON. >> I WAS GOING TO MAKE COMMENTS.

>> I DID WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. THE ARCHITECTUAL REVIEW REQUIREMENT IS IN THE CODE. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.

IT'S BACK TO THE BOARD FOR COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS IF ANY TO APPLICANT OR APPELLANT, STAFF OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

IF COMMISSIONERS HAVE GENERAL QUESTIONS, THEN AFTER THAT, IT WILL BE TO THE BOARD FOR DELIBERATION

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR GENERAL PUBLIC

OR OUR STAFF? >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

>> SOMEONE FROM GROWTH MANAGEMENT ON THE CALCULATION OF PERCENTAGE OF HOTEL ROOMS. GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> MS. BISHOP, IS THE NUMBER OF HOTEL ROOMS BY STAFF'S CALCULATION WITHIN THE PERCENTAGE OF THE CODE?

>> YES, SIR. THEY ARE WITHIN THE PERCENTAGES AND IT'S BASED ON THE LAND AREA AND BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF HOTEL ROOMS AND WE USE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOTEL ROOMS ITSELF AND USING THE HOTELS THAT ARE THERE --

>> OKAY. THERE'S SEVEN.

AND YES, SIR WE DID MY LATEST CALCULATION BECAUSE I DID MESS THIS UP IN THE PAST. THE LATEST CALCULATION IS A REMAINING 55444 SQUARE FEET THAT REMAINS AVAILABLE FOR HOTEL

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> MR. CHAIR, MAY I ASK A QUESTION THROUGH THE CHAIR TO

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THIS METHOD OF CALCULATING THE PERCENTAGE FOR THE HOTEL, WAS THAT USED FOR THE FIRST TIME FOR THIS APPLICATION OR HAD THAT BEEN USED PREVIOUSLY OR EVEN CONSISTENTLY IN THE PAST?

>> IT'S BEEN USED CONSISTENTLY IN THE

>> THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. I THINK THAT COMPLETES EVERYTHING. WE HAVE ANSWERED QUESTIONS.

IT'S BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DELIBERATION.

ANY FINAL QUESTIONS. >> I DO HAVE -- I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS TO MAKE. I CAN DEFER THEM.

>> WELL, LET ME IF I MAY, IF THE COMMISSION DOESN'T MIND, THIS ALSO FALLS IN DISTRICT FIVE. NORMALLY IN THE PAST THE CHAIRMAN DID NOT MAKE MOTIONS BUT DID DEFER TO FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT SINCE THE INSEPTION LAST MAY.

I DO HAVE THOUGHTS AND A RECOMMENDATION I WILL MAKE VIA A MOTION. I CERTAINLY AM NOT GOING TO CLOSE OUT QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS BUT FROM MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. LET ME EXPLAIN WHERE I AM.

I HAVE GIVEN QUITE A BIT OF THOUGHT TO THIS PROJECT AND TRIED TO LOOK AT IT FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ANGLES AND I COULD SAY, I WILL START BY SAYING THAT THERE HAVE PROBABLY BEEN ENOUGH MISSTEPS OR MISUNDERSTANDINGS ALONG THE WAY FROM NOT ONLY OUR STAFF BUT POSSIBLY FROM THE APPLICANT, THE PUBLIC AND THE DRB. I HAVE COUNTED AT LEAST SEVEN OR EIGHT THAT I CAN GO INTO GREAT DETAIL AND DISCUSSION AND SAY WE PROBABLY NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE IN SOME FASHION.

WHAT THIS CRIES OUT FOR INITIALLY, IS TO REMAND THIS BACK TO THE DRB AND TRY TO EITHER CORRECT OR CHANGE THOSE MISSTEPS. BUT, I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMAND THIS BACK TO THE COUNTY OR BACK TO THE DRB AT THIS TIME, PATRICK, COULD YOU PUT UP LANGUAGE YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT IN THE CODE? I WANT TO ZERO IN ON THE BASIS

OF MY DECISION. >> YES, SIR.

I WANT, LET ME SAY AT THE OUT SET.

PERSONALLY, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FLORIDA VERNACULAR ARCHITECTURE. I THOUGHT THE RENDERINGS, I THOUGHT OF THE EXTERIOR LOOKED PRETTY DARN GOOD AND IMPROVEMENTS SINCE THE DRB HEARING.

I WANT TO ZERO IN ON THE LANGUAGE.

THE VILANO BEACH TOWN CENTER IS TO CREATE A PLACE THAT MAINTAINS THE SMALL BEACH TOWN COMMUNITY CHARACTER THROUGH THE DELICATE BALANCE OF THE OLD WITH THE NEW. IT PROVIDES A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USE THAT IS PROVIDES, GOODS, SERVICES AND PLACES SYNERGY BETWEEN VISITORS AND RESIDENTS ALIKE. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE MOST RECENT HISTORY OF THE VILANO BEACH TOWN CENTER AND WHAT HAS BEEN DONE THERE AND IT'S BEEN VERY GREAT POSITIVE STEPS FORWARD. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS RELATIVELY SMALL AREA WITH THE THREE HOTELS THAT EXIST TODAY, NOT COUNTING MAGIC BEACH. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HYATT, HAMPTON INN AND HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS AND THEY ARE LITERALLY WITHIN STEPS OF EACH OTHER ON A SMALL SECTION OF MAIN STREET.

THEY BASICALLY IN ASCENDING ORDER THE ROOMS ARE WITH THE HOLIDAY INN ROUGHLY 50 ROOMS AND HAMPTON INN 120 AND HYATT 120 ROOMS. REALLY WHAT CAUSED ME TO PAUSE

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THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THIS HOTEL.

THE SCALE. IT'S DISPROPORTIONATE TO THE EXISTING SENSE AND FEEL AND SOMEONE REFERRED TO VIBE OF THE TOWN CENTER. IT'S NOT QUITE TWICE AS BIG BUT ALMOST TWICE AS BIG AS THE EXISTING LARGEST HOTEL.

AS ONE COMMISSIONER, I'M JUST ONE COMMISSIONER, OUT OF FOUR HERE, I CANNOT EMBRACE AND SUPPORT A HOTEL OF THIS SIZE.

EVEN THOUGH I LIKE THE ARCHITECT OR I THINK IT MEETS THE DESIGN CRITERIA AS FAR AS THE EXTERIOR DESIGN.

I THINK THERE IS ALSO A MATTER OF SCALE.

DOES IT FIT WITHIN AND THEREFORE UNDER OUR COMP PLAN, IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING TOWN CENTER THE VILANO DISTRICT? AND SO I'M, THAT'S MY ISSUE. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T WANT TO OVER TURN THE DRB DECISION.

BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO JUST A BLANKET APPROVAL OF IT.

WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST BY WAY OF A MOTION AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY AN HAPPY COMPROMISE AND MAYBE EVERYONE IN THE ROOM WILL BE UPSET FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. I HAVE TO DO WHAT I THINK IS IN MY MIND CORRECT. WHAT I WILL MOVE IS THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE HOTEL DESIGN AS IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED WITH ITS MOST RECENT RENDERINGS BUT LIMIT THE NUMBER OF ROOMS TO 120.

AND THE REASON I'M MAKING THAT MOTION IS THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NUMBER OF ROOMS IN THE LARGEST HOTEL EXISTING TODAY ON THE MAIN STREET AND THAT'S THE HYATT AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

I WANT TO MAKE THIS COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING MAIN STREET DESIGN AND THE HOTEL ROOMS AND I THINK THIS WOULD WORK AND I THINK IN MY CAREER, I ALWAYS TRIED TO REACH WHAT I THINK IS A FAIR COMPROMISE. THIS IS THE BEST I CAN DO TODAY.

WE COULD GO BACK AND REHASH ALL OF THOSE PROCEDURAL STEPS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF IT COMES BACK AS A CLEAN ITEM, AND SOMEONE APPEALS IT BEING I DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT A MONTH OR TWO OR THREE TO SAY OH, BY THE WAY, I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND 120 ROOMS. THAT'S WHY I'M JUMPING TO THIS.

I'M CUTTING TO THE CHASE AS ONE COMMISSIONER I'M TELLING YOU THAT I WILL SUPPORT A HOTEL AS CURRENTLY DESIGNED BUT LIMIT IT TO 120 ROOMS SO MR. MCCORMACK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO MY RAMBLING. WE NEED TO SOMEHOW IN IN FACT MY MOTION WERE TO PASS, WE NEED TO RENDER THAT INTO SOME TYPE OF LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT MAKES SENSE THAT I'M SURE YOU CAN DO.

>> RIGHT. RIGHT.

SO AS I UNDERSTAND, YOU HAVEN'T MADE THE MOTION.

IF YOU MAKE THE MOTION, IT WOULD BE TO -- IT WOULD BE TO I MAY WANT A MOMENT TO CONFER WITH THE BRAIN TRUST.

UPHOLD IN PART AND DENY IN PART THE DRB DECISION BY PERMITTING OR APPROVING THE PROPOSED HOTEL WITH ITS ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND GENERAL LAYOUT WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ROOMS BE LIMITED TO 120. I MEAN, HOTEL ROOMS AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS NOT THE DINING ROOM AND WHAT NOT, THE ACTUAL

INDIVIDUAL USER ROOMS. >> YOU CAPTURED MY THOUGHT.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

I JUST WANT TO KIND OF ADDRESS ACTUALLY, SO, YOU KNOW I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS CONCERNED ME ABOUT THIS SPECIFICALLY IS I THINK WHEN THIS WAS FIRST PRESENTED, YOU KNOW YOU WANTED TO TAKE ALL THAT INFORMATION.

I WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR COMING TODAY BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS. I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THESE MEETINGS ARE IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE YOU PROVIDE THE

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I DO THINK IF I CAN JUST GET, THERE'S BIGGER ISSUES HERE.

I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GET BACK TO OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOPS. I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.

I THINK A LOT OF THESE ISSUES WE IDENTIFIED COULD HAVE BEEN HEADED OFF. I DO HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS THAT THE BOARD'S HEARING THESE AGENDA ITEMS OR WITHOUT COMPLETE INFORMATION, THIS IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE APPLICANT BUT AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR CODE WAS NOT FOLLOWED.

I THINK THAT'S, THAT WEIGHS HEAVILY ON ME.

I'M NOT ASSIGNING BLAME BUT WE NEED TO GET THAT RIGHT AS POLICY HOLDERS FOR THE BOARD. AS FAR AS ARCHITECT.

THE ARCHITECT POINTED OUT, THE WORD IS NEBULOUS.

WITHOUT GETTING OUT WEBSTER OR BLACK STONE'S DEFINITION MEANS VERY OUT THERE. I THINK WE HEARD FROM DIFFERENT ARCHITECTS AND DIFFERENT OPINIONS BUT I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HEARD FROM THE ARCHITECT THAT DID THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT. WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP TODAY AND WHAT MS. MARTIN POINTED OUT, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF WHAT WAS CLASSIFIED AS MISSING REQUIREMENTS.

I'M NOT EVEN SURE ON THE ACRE AGE.

THERE WAS DIFFERENT ACREAGE ON THE DOCUMENTS.

IT'S ALWAYS CONCERNED WHEN A STEP IS MISSED IN THE PROCESS.

AS WE SEE, IT'S IMPACTFUL TO PEOPLE.

TE BEACH ACCESS AND OBSTRUCTION OF THE OCEAN VIEW.

WE'RE HEARING IT NOW, PRIOR BOARD HEARD THEM.

WE ARE HEARING THEY MAY NOT HAVE HEARD ALL THE INFORMATION.

I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING. THIS IS NOT TO ANSWER THE COMMENTS YOU MADE BUT I WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING BRIEFLY YOU POINTED OUT. YOU MADE A GOOD POINT.

YOU SAID OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND RULES ARE SO DIFFICULT IT REQUIRES A LAW DEGREE OR AN ARCHITECTURE DEGREE TO UNDERSTAND. WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IF IT'S THAT CONFUSING.

I'M MORE OF A TEXTUALIST AND ORIGINALIST.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RULES, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT PLAIN MEETING.

FOR ME, THIS RAISED A LOT OF CONCERNS.

A LOT OF THINGS I THINK WE AS POLICY HOLDERS FOR THE COUNTY HAVE TO GET WITH STAFF AND FIGURE THIS OUT.

COMMISSIONER DON'T TO YOUR POINT.

JUST BASED ON WHAT I HEARD TODAY AND WHAT I REVIEWED, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SUPPORT THIS.

I JUST WANT TO PUT THIS. THIS IS OUR CHANCE AND WE DON'T GET A CHANCE TO COMMUNICATE AND TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT THESE ARE THE CONCERNS I HAVE. IT'S NOT A REFLECTION ON THE APPLICANT. IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT WE AS A COUNTY MISSED AN IMPORTANT STEP. IT'S A STEP WE WOULD HAVE HOPEFULLY BROUGHT SOME CLARITY TO THIS.

SO. THOSE OF MY INITIAL

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD HAVE GONE FIRST BECAUSE MY QUESTIONS ARE MORE IN THE WEEDS.

I WILL TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.

WE HAVE TO GET SOMETHING CLEARED UP BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WHATEVER MOTION NEEDS TO BE MADE.

IF SOMEBODY FROM GROWTH MANAGEMENT COULD COME UP, I WOULD APPRECIATE CLARIFICATION ON A FEW ITEMS. OVER MR. ROBERSON OR MS. BISHOP. SOMEBODY.

MS. BISHOP, THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT WAS TROUBLING TO ME THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS THE GIS HAS THIS PARCEL AT 3.21 ACRES.

IS NOW THE PARCEL WOULD BE 3.88 ACRES.

>>YES, SIR. THE NUMBER WE HAVE ON GIS AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS OFFICE ARE BASED ON ASSESSABLE RATES AND NOT SURVEY ACCURATE IN THE GIS SYSTEM.

>> SO I THINK AS A PUBLIC OF THE PUBLIC AND A LAYPERSON MYSELF, THAT COULD BE MISLEADING IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW BETTER.

I THINK YOU'RE DEDICATED PROFESSIONALS AND I BELIEVE EVERYBODY IS DOING THEIR BEST IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

IF WE HAVE PARCELS LIKE THAT ALL OVER ST. JOHNS COUNTY, IT COULD BE CONFUSING TO LOOK AT A PROCESS.

194 HOTELS WON'T FIT ON A 3.2 ACRE PROPERTY.

BUT IT'S FACT 3.88 ACHES. PERHAPS WE NEED TO FIND A WAY IT

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THAT'S ONE THING. ALSO THERE'S CITING OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THEY WERE CONCERNED RAISED DURING PUBLIC COMMENT THAT NO MORE HOTEL MOTEL OR BED AND BREAKFAST ROOMS WOULD BE ALLOWED UNTIL THE RESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS INCREASED.

IS THAT IN FACT THE CASE OR WAS THAT PROPOSED PROJECT WITHIN THE GUIDELINES? I KNOW THERE'S DISAGREEMENT ON .

WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT? >> I BELIEVE IT'S WITHIN THE GUIDELINES. I BELIEVE THAT THE WAY THAT IS WORDED WITH RESPECT TO THAT IS, THERE'S PERCENTAGES THAT WERE PUT INTO THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY THAT SAID YOU COULD YOU HAVE 30, 33% RESIDENTIAL. 33% OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN 30% HOTEL. IT DIDN'T SAY WHEN IT WAS GOING TO GET DEVELOPED TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE.

>> I UNDERSTAND. ALSO THE PARKING GARAGE.

THAT WAS A POINT I FOUND COMPELLING.

THE PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE OF THE YOU BEING ABLE TO SEE THE CARS THROUGH THE GRATES WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE TO THE THAT?

>> I THINK WE DIDN'T SEE THAT OR RECOGNIZED THAT AS BEING A PROBLEM. THEY DID THE GRATES.

WE DIDN'T SEE THAT AS BEING A PROBLEM.

UP REFLECTION. IS IT IN COMPLIANCE OR NOT IN COMPLIANCE? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TRUTH IS WHAT SORT OF JUST A FEELING THAT IS GIVEN TO US BY A

COMMUNITY. >> WELL, IF IT SAYS YOU CAN'T SEE THE VEHICLES BEHIND, YOU CAN'T SEE THE VEHICLES FROM THE ROAD WHEN THEY ARE PARKED UNDERNEATH AND YOU CAN SEE THEM AS YOU WALK DOWN THAT ROAD, I WOULD SAY THAT IS NOT IN

COMPLIANCE. >> THANK YOU.

THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. >> IF I -- SORRY COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THROUGH THE CHAIR. MS. BISHOP, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR COUNTY POSITION AND ANY PLANNING CREDENTIALS YOU MAY HAVE? I'M THE PLANNING DIVISION MANAGER FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY,

I'M AN AIC CERTIFIED PLANNER. >> DO YOU FEEL THAT'S A QUESTION THAT COULD BETTER BE ANSWERED BY LEGAL?

>> I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION?

>> DO YOU FEEL THAT THE GRATES BEING IN COMPLIANCE WOULD BE

BETTER ASKED TO LEGAL? >> THE GRATES ON THE PARKING GARAGE. THAT WAS MENTIONED DURING PUBLIC COMMENT I FOUND COMPELLING AS COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS PROPOSAL IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LDC. WHETHER THIS OR MOVING FORWARD.

>> I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RENDER AN OPINION ON THAT COMMISSIONER.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST THROUGH THE CHAIR. WE HAVE OUR ARCHITECT AND THE GRATE IS A LAYPERSON TERM USED. CAN OUR ARCHITECTS EXPLAIN WHAT THE ACTUAL SHIELDING IN MY LAYPERSON'S WORD MEANS?

>> LET ME ASK COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, THIS IS HIS QUESTION. REBUTTAL IS OVER.

WOULD YOU LIKE AN ANSWER FROM THE APPLICANT? I WOULD, GIVEN THE LDC AS IT IS WRITTEN.

HOW THIS COMPLIES WITH THE LDC. THE ASSERTION IT DOESN'T COMPLY IS TROUBLING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ONLY HEARING PROPOSALS COMP LIANT WITH THE LDC.

>> PARKING GARAGES MUST BE SHIELDED BY 20 FEET OF OCCUPIED SPACE. OCCUPIED SPACE IS THE TERM THEY USE. PER BUILDING CODE, ALL HABITABLE SPACE HAS TO BE ABOVE FLOOD LEVEL ANY OCCUPIED SPACE HAS TO BE A MINIMUM 17 FEET ABOVE FLOOD ELEVATION.

ABOVE SEA LEVEL. ALL OCCUPIED SPACE IS ABOVE FLOOD ELEVATION. IN TERMS OF THE LOUVRERS ON THE GARAGE, THEY ARE INNERLOCKING LIKE THIS.

YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE VISUALLY THROUGH

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU KNOW THIS IS A REALLY TOUGH DECISION LOOKING AT IT.

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YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME TECHNICALITIES THAT NEED TO BE APPROACHED AND THAT CAN BE APPROACHED AND LOOKS LIKE IT HAS BEEN. AND IT'S LOOKING AT THE OTHER WAY, THERE'S NOT A LOT TO DENY ON.

WE HAVE TO HAVE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO DENY SOMETHING ON.

I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT IS SAID ABOUT COMMISSIONER DEAN'S THOUGHT PROCESS BY THE APPLICANT AND THEN CERTAINLY MAKE OUR DECISION. THANK Y'ALL AGAIN FOR COMING.

I KNOW Y'ALL WILL HEAD OUT TO LUNCH AFTER THIS OVER.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IN RESPONSE TO THE

PROPOSAL. >> THAT'S CERTAINLY IF YOU

WISH. >> JUST IF YOU WOULD, I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU LIMIT THIS TO YOUR CLIENT'S RESPONSE TO MY

SUGGESTED MOTION. >> MY CLIENT'S RESPONSE TO YOUR MOTION AND HE CAN JOIN UP WITH. 120 ROOMS IS NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. WE COULD GO DOWN TO 174.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> DO YOU HAVE -- >> THEY HAVE A RENDERING THAT SHOWS THAT. SHOWS AND IF YOU WILL LET COLLIN EXPLAIN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

>> JUST BRIEFLY PLEASE. IS THIS ONE WORKING? COLLIN GORSUCH. I'M A LICENSED ARCHITECT.

IF I MAY SPEAK ABOUT PROCESS REALLY QUICK.

THE CITE AT 3.8 ACRES AS OF RIGHT WITH THE FAR REQUIRED, WE ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD TO THIS SCALE.

WE MEET FAR AND HIGHER REQUIREMENTS.

WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE ALLOWABLE AREA FOR HOTELS.

THAT'S GIVEN. BUT, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE IS ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT SCALE VISUALLY SCALE IMPACT, IS THAT ON THE RETAIL FRONTAGE BUILDING WE WOULD TAKE OUT AN ENTIRE LEVEL SO THIS WOULD GO FROM THREE STORIES TO TWO STORIES. WHICH WE THINK CREATES A VERY BIG IMPACT ON THE OVERALL SCALE OF THE PROJECT.

AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING HERE IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A SLICE OF PIE OUT OF THE BUILDING TO REDUCE THE REMAINING NUMBER OF ROOMS TO 20. THIS IS A REDUCTION OF 180, WE WOULD GO 20 KEYS BELOW THIS. SO 20 KEYS TOTAL LESS.

>> THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION?

MR. BLOCKER. >> MR. CHAIRMAN.

I BELIEVE THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT SO I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THE MOTION.

MOTION TO DENY, I'M SORRY, MOTION TO DENY THEARC APPEAL 2021-01 VILANO BEACH HOTEL UPHOLDING THE DECISION OF NORTH COASTAL DESIGN REVIEW BOARD FOR A NEW HOTEL BASED ON MIXED USE

DEVELOPMENT. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT.

MR. CHAIR. BEFORE THE BOARD VOTES, WOULD THE MAKER OF THE MOTION CONSIDER A FINDING OF FACT OR PROPOSED FINDING OF FACT THAT THE SCALE OF THE PROPOSED APPLICATION DOES NOT COMPLY WITH OBJECTIVE A .3.2.

PARTICULARLY THE OBJECTIVE THAT THE VILANO BEACH TOWN CENTER VISION IS MEANT TO CREATE A SMALL BEACH TOWN CHARACTER THROUGH THE DELICATE BALANCE OF THE OLD WITH THE NEW AND THE VILANO BEACH TOWN CENTER PROVIDE A MIXED USE OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL THAT PROVIDE GOODS, SERVICES AND PLACES FOR SYNERGY LIFESTYLE CENTER FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL ATTEND TO ACCEPT THE MODIFICATIONS.

>> WE HAVE AMENDED MOTION AND SECOND.

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YOU'RE AT THE PODIUM, I WILL GIVE YOU ONE LAST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BECAUSE WE SHOULD VOTE NOW.

WHAT SAY YOU? >> I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE

WOULD LIKE TO OFFER 150 ROOMS. >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE, WE HAVE TO ASK THAT YOU CONTAIN YOURSELF.

THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND I DON'T HEARING ANYONE CHANGING THEIR MOTION OR SECOND.

WE WILL VOTE. PLEASE VOTE ON THE MOTION.

THAT PASSES 4-0. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING BOTH THE APPLICANT, THE REPRESENTATIVES AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. I THINK THIS WAS CONDUCTED IN A VERY CIVIL AND REASONABLE AND PROFESSIONAL WAY FROM EVERYONE.

I KNOW IT WAS EMOTIONAL AND SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT BUT I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE IN THE ROOM FOR BEARING WITH US FOR OVER TWO HOURS. THANK YOU.

MR. ADMINISTRATOR. ARE WE GOING TO PRESS ON OR

BREAK? >> IT'S UP TO YOU.

>> THAT'S UP TO YOU MR. CHAIR. IT'S UP TO YOU.

YEP. >> MR. CHAIR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE YOU BREAK, CAN WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR THIS APPLICATION IF THEY DESIRE TO COME BACK WITH A REVISED PLAN THAT BE, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY LEGALLY TO SUBMIT BACK TO THE

DRB? >> I WILL RELY ON OUR ATTORNEYS

TO ANSWER THAT. >> IF THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE THEY CAN OFFER A PERIOD OF TIME, WE WOULD ASK THE BOARD

TO WAIVE THE TIME REQUIREMENT >> MR. CHAIR, I THINK THE BOARD COULD ALLOW THAT. I DO THINK AS A CONDITION FOR THE BOARD'S APPROVAL OF THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO RESUBMIT TO THE DRB, IF THEY WERE OTHERWISE A TIME FRAME, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A YEAR. I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME. IN RETURN FOR THE BOARD'S APPROVAL FOR THAT, A CONDITION WOULD BE THAT THE APPELLANT APPLICANT NOT APPEAL THIS BOARD'S DECISION TODAY.

>> OKAY. WELL PERSONALLY, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. WHAT SAY THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY.

THEN WE NEED A MOTION ON THAT? >> FIRST OF ALL, ELLEN, MS. SMITH, WHILE THEY'RE TALKING, I WASN'T SURE WHY I TURNED TO YOU.

THE DRB PROCEDURES MAYBE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MY EXPERIENCE IS. WE HAD THIS REQUEST WHEN WE HAVE DENIED A PROJECT, WHEN WE HAVE DENIED A PERMIT OR PUD, THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST TO WAIVE THAT ONE YEAR PERIOD BEFORE GOING BACK TO THE BZA. I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS A

SIMILAR PROCESS. >> THERE MAYBE.

I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO GO THROUGH THEIRS.

THAT'S WHY I THINK THE MOTION WOULD BE TO WAIVE ANY TIME LIMITATION IF THERE IS ONE. BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO LOOK THROUGH. TO SEE IF THE ONE YEAR APPLIES.

>> IF THERE'S A ONE YEAR REQUIREMENT, TRY TO BRING IT BACK TO THE DRB. WAIVE THE ONE YEAR AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT AGREES NOT TO APPEAL TODAY'S DECISION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, WE NEED TO HAVE IA LONGER DISCUSSION ON THIS AND NOT WASTE THE BOARD'S TIME. PERHAPS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GING TO TAKE A BREAK OR WHATEVER.

WE MIGHT CONSULT WITH MR. MCCORMACK LATER.

>> LET ME ASK THIS. ARE WE GOING TO TAKE A LUNCH

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>> I WOULD CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER AND RE-COMMENCE HERE WITH ITEM FOUR. FOUNTAINS UNIFIED SIGN PLAN.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRPERSON. FOR THE RECORD, TONY ROBBINS.

JACKSONVILLE 32224. IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE MY PRESENTATION. BACK IN SEPTEMBER, YOU APPROVED TWO PUDS. THIS IS THE UNIFIED SIGN PLAN PROMOTING SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE FOR ST. JOHNS.

ONE THAT WASN'T MODIFIED AND ALL FOUR OF THEM HAVE COMMON SIGN PLANS. WE APPRECIATE YOUR INDULGENCE THIS AFTERNOON. I KNOW YOU HAD A BUSY AFTERNOON.

WE'RE TALKING OVER 100 ACRES GENTLEMEN.

THROUGH A MIXTURE OF PREDOMINANTLY MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND BUSINESS.

THE FOURTH PUD HAS A SMALL MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT TO IT.

THE UNIFIED SITE PLAN DOES ALLOW FOR A SCALE AND HAVE A COMMON THEME. THERE ON THE SCREEN ON SLIDE 126 ARE THE PUDS IN RELATION TO ONE ANOTHER.

COUNTY ROAD 210. I 95 ON THE LEFT.

YOU CAN SEE THE FOUR THERE ON THE AERIAL.

THEY'RE ALL MIXED USE DISTRICT ON THE FUTURE LAND USE AND ALL ZONED PUD. THE COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN GOES INTO GREAT DETAIL ABOUT THE STANDARDS THAT WOULD APPLY THROUGHOUT THE FOUR PUDS WHAT IS PERMISIBLE.

WHAT FREE STANDING OR PYLON OR MONUMENT SIGN FOR WALL OR BUILDING SIGNS THAT WOULD BE THERE.

EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN THEIR LOCATIONS AND HOW THEY MOVE PLACEMENT, MATERIAL LOCATIONS AND OTHER THINGS AS WELL.

I WILL NOT READ VERBATIM DUE TO THE LATENESS OF THE DAY.

IF THERE'S AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE, THERE WOULD BE A SIGN PLAN. THE UNIFIED SIGN PLAN FOR ALL FOUR DOES INCLUDE GENERAL LOCATIONS ON EXHIBIT D ONE.

THESE ARE APPROXIMATE AND BEST GUESSTIMATE IN RELATION.

THE SKILL IS A LITTLE OFF. IT'S OVER 100 ACRES.

DOES APPEAR THEY ARE ALL CRAMMED TOGETHER

>> THE VARIOUS TYPES THAT ARE THERE WE DID BREAK OUT THE NEW ADDITION TO THE FAMILY. THEY ARE FURTHER ALONG IN THEIR PL PLANS.

THE COMMUNITY IDENTIFICATION ONES ARE LOCATED THERE AS TYPE AS. UP AND DOWN 255, I'M SORRY, I-95 AND COUNTY ROAD 210 FOR THE MOST PART.

I'M POINTING FOR THE LASER POINTER FOR THOSE WATCHING ON D TV. THAT'S TO OUR NEWARK -- NEW ADDITION FOR FOUNTAINS EAST. THE MONUMENT TYPE SIGNS.

210 AND THE MAJOR ENTRY TO THE PROJECT.

IDENTITY MONUMENTS. THIS IS WHAT YOU FIND ON A TYPICAL OUT PARCELS IN TRACTOR SUPPLY AS WELL AS COMMERCIALS IN THE FOUNTAIN AND FOCUSING ON THE SAINT VINCENTS HOW THEY ARE RELATED TO EACH OTHER. IT'S PEDESTRIAN AS WELL AS VEHICULAR AND WE ARE ASKING FOR RELIEF WHICH I'M ABOUT TO GET INTO. WE DO HAVE SOME RELIEF THAT EARNED IN THE PUD. WE HAVE FOUR WE CARRIED FORWARD AND THE SIX WE DO INCLUDE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT THE NEW SIX WERE SINCE YOU HAVE NOT CONSIDERED THEM BEFORE. THE FIRST IS TO DO FOUR PUDS SITE PLAN. THAT IS REQUESTED FROM 503 F.

THE SECOND IS PART SEVEN OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW THE COMMON VERNACULAR THEME. I DIDN'T WANT TO USE THE WORD VERNACULAR. THE SIZE AND HEIGHT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. THE COMMON THEME THROUGHOUT IT.

THE THIRD WAIVER REQUEST THERE IS TO ALLOW THE TRACTOR SUPPLY, THE FURTHER AWAY FROM I-95, 210 INTERSECTION AND ALLOWS FOR A

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THE FOUR WAIVER RELIEF IS FOR ALLOWING SIGNS WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IF THERE'S A COUNTY ENACTED MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND PERMISSION FROM THE COUNTY TO HAVE THE SIGNS THERE.

I'M GOING TO BACK UP JUST A FEW CLICKS.

I MENTIONED THE PEDESTRIAN AND WAVE FINDING SIGNS.

WHERE WE MAY WISH TO HAVE ONE LOCATED IN RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THE OTHER IS TYPE B IDENTIFIERS, SIMILAR TO THE DURBIN PARK AREA NEAR FLAGLER OFF TRINITY WAY. THERE MAYBE ARCHITECTURAL ON THE ROAD AND MAYBE IN THE MEDIAN. THEY ARE ASKING FOR PERMISSION AND IF IT WERE TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, IT WOULD ONLY BE THROUGH THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY THAT WOULD ASSURE THAT THE OWNER OR DEVELOPER SOMEONE OTHER THAN COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT AND DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH ANY VISIBILITY INTERSECTIONS AND FINALLY, THE LAST ONE IS TO ALLOW MORE THAN 1 PYLON SIGN SO LONG BY DOING THAT, MAKING SURE THEY ARE 100 FEET APART.

GENTLEMEN THAT'S THE NICKEL TOUR THROUGH THAT.

I WELCOME QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE

COMMISSIONERS? >> PROBABLY FOR STAFF.

DO WE HAVE SIGN ON 210 ALREADY FOR BUSINESSES?

>> WITHOUT DOING RESEARCH, I CANNOT CONFIRM IF THERE'S SIGNS ON COUNTY ROAD 210. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEA?

>> RESPECTFULLY THROUGH THE CHAIR MR. WALDRON, I SUGGEST PERHAPS THE NEWER SUBDIVISIONS FROM BEACH WALK, THE BEACON ONE MAY HAVE SOMETHING INSIDE THE MEDIAN THERE.

>> I'M THINKING PRIVATE ROADS. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE IT OUT IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THIS IS WHAT THIS ALLUDES TO.

PRIVATE RIGHT-OF-WAY. HAVING IT IN THERE.

IF IT WAS TO BE IN THE PUBLIC, WOULD REQUIRE THE COUNTY'S PERMISSION TO HAVE IT THERE AND A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AGREED

TO. >> OKAY.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 4? YES, SIR.

ITEM FOUR. >> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. JACK MCINARNIE, I DIDN'T PLAN ON SPEAKING EXCEPT THAT I DID GO TO A FRIEND'S HOUSE IN SANDY CREEK, SANDY CREEK DEVELOPMENT RIGHT OFF 210 THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF I-95 AND 210. I DON'T THINK THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CALLED HOT MESS.

BUT, THAT WAS DEFINITELY MY IMPRESSION.

I MISSED THE TURN INTO SANDY CREEK AND HAD TO MAKE A UTURN ON THAT VERY BUSY 210. GO BACK TO I-95 ON OFF AND MAKE AN ILLEGAL U-TURN THERE IN ORDER TO GET INTO SANDY CREEK AND AFTER THE VISIT, DISCOVERED THAT YOU CAN ONLY MAKE A RIGHT TURN ON TO 210. YOU CAN'T, I NEEDED TO GO WEST.

YOU CAN'T. I WISH THEY WERE MORE PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN THE WORLD BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE COUNTY CAN ASK STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT 210, YOU KNOW IT IS DEVELOPING INTO A MAJOR GOOD FEATURE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY WITH THE COMING ON OF HOSPITAL AND ANCILLARY BUILDINGS, IT'S A WONDERFUL THING. BUT IT SURE DOES NOT MEASURE UP TO WHAT THE PUBLIC AND VISITORS ARE GOING TO FIND TRYING TO GET THERE. SO IT'S THE ONLY COMMENT I WANTED TO MAKE. USING THE TERMS HOT MESS AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN TOGETHER FIND SOME BETTER WAY I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT THANK

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?

ITEM 4. >> MIKE.

YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> SEEING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA

ITEM FOUR. >> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON. THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT SIGNS FOR THE BEACH WALK DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE IN COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY

THROUGH A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT. >> OKAY.

>> I CAN'T -- >> GO AHEAD.

>> STAFF HAS NO ISSUE WITH IT? >> NO,

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY QUESTIONS?

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IS THERE A MOTION? >> YES, SIR.

I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021-500 APPROVING

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FOUR FINDING THE FACT. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 4-0. AND NOW WE TURN TO ITEM 5.

PRESERVE. >> RIGHT.

SO MR. CHAIR, THE PRESERVE IS A QUASI JUDICIAL.

SO IF THERE'S ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.

>> ANY EX PARTE, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

NONE. >> NONE BY

>> >> NONE,

>> OKAY. YES, MA'AM MS. TAYLOR.P>> THANK.

THE FLOOR IS ALL YOURS. THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON. KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARA GOSSA STREET AND BRIAN BROWN IS WITH ME.

MR. RINGHAVER COULDN'T BE HERE. THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM A PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENT PRD THAT'S EXPIRED.

IT'S JUST A PORTION OF IT TO BACK TO OPEN RURAL.

OR. THIS IS JUST A GENERALIZED PLAN KIND OF SHOWS YOU THIS IS THE PROPERTY IS ON STATE ROAD 13 NORTH. IT'S NORTH OF 16 A.

THERE'S LONG LEAF PINE. COUNTY ROAD 210.

A LITTLE DIFFERENT PORTION THAN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO. THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND IT SHOWS THAT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IS IN THE RURAL LAND USE. IT RUNS THROUGH THIS WHOLE AREA BUT THE SURROUNDING AREA HAS CHANGED TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT ONES INCLUDING OTHER RESIDENTIALS AND COMMERCIAL, PUBLIC AND MIXED USE TYPE. THIS JUST BRINGS YOU IN A LITTLE CLOSER TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE DESIGNATIONS AND AGAIN THE RULE CULTURE THIS PROPERTY HAS.

THIS IS THE ZONING AND THIS SHOWS YOU THE SITE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE ZONING SURROUNDING IT.

THERE'S PS 2 AND PRD. THIS IS AN ORIGINAL OF A PRD APPROVED IN 2009. THAT PORTION IS OUTLINED ON THIS SCREEN. AND IT SHOWS YOU THAT THE NORTHERN KIND OF NORTHEAST PORTION AND THIS ONE WAS THE SOUTHWEST PORTION. AND THIS IS A COPY OF THE PLAN.

THE PRD APPROVED. THIS WAS FOR 28 UNITS.

AGAIN IT WAS APPROVED IN 2009. ONE THING YOU WILL NOTE IS THERE WAS A CURIOUS THE WAY THAT THE ROADS WERE.

THEY WERE TWO DIFFERENT ROADWAYS.

AND THERE WAS AN EAGLE'S NEST HERE.

THIS WAS DESIGNED AROUND AN EAGLE'S NEST.

THAT EAGLE'S NEST WAS DAMAGED BY THE TREE BEING DAMAGED IN A STORM. SO THEY'RE NOT THERE.

THEY MAY COME BACK TO SOME PLACE ALONG THERE.

BUT THEY ARE NOT THERE RIGHT NOW.

AND JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT, I INCLUDED THIS FOR ONE OF THE PLANS AND ZONING MEMBERS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IS THERE. AS I SAID, THAT NORTHERN SECTION OR THOSE LOTS WERE TAKEN OUT OF PRD, INCORPORATED INTO THE RESIDENTIAL B AND THAT WAS DONE IN 2019.

AND SO THEN THAT WAS ALSO A MADE IT AS A PART OF A LARGER DEVELOPMENT. THIS PIECE REMAIND AND IT REMAINED WITH THE PRD ZONING SO IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR A PRD.

IT'S NO LONGER PART OF THAT. IT'S ONLY 43 ACRES AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE 100 FOR A PRD. AND SO THAT WENT INTO GRAND CREEK IN THE NORTH. THAT NORTHERN SECTION AND THIS IS THE SOUTHERN SECTION WE WANT TO TAKE BACK TO RURAL.

JUST A CLOSE LOOK AT IT TO SEE. THIS IS A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY. PROBABLY WHY MR. RINGHAVER ENDED UP LIKING IT. IT DOES HAVE A CREEK THAT CAME THROUGH HERE. IT'S SPLIT TO IT BUT A NICE,

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THE OR WOULD ALLOW FOR AGRICULTURAL USES ONLY.

ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AS IT STANDS WITH THE LAND USE AS IT IS. I JUST PUT THIS IN IF ANYBODY HAD QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH AND CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH IT.

A COUPLE PICTURES. THIS IS THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING SOUTH AND THIS IS LOOKING NORTH.

AGAIN, THE NORTHEAST CORNER LOOKING ACROSS IT AND THE SOUTHEAST CORNER LOOKING ACROSS AS WELL AS RIGHT ON.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE NICE TREES AND THE THINGS THAT ARE THERE.

SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS VERY COMPATIBLE.

IT'S ADJACENT LAND USES ARE VERY SIMILAR.

IT'S LOWER INTENSITY THAN MOST OF THE OTHERS, BUT THAT'S OKAY AND IT HAS THE IMMEDIATE AREA HAS AS WE SAID A MIXTURE.

SO IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE RURAL SILV CULTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION WHICH WE ARE NOT PLANNING TO CHANGE AT THIS TIME AND IT WON'T REALLY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE A FEW NEIGHBORS THAT CALLED THAT WERE VERY PLEASED WITH IT.

ANYTHING THAT IS DONE ON THIS WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND YOU DO STILL HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITY HABITAT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

CERTAINLY IF THE EAGLE COMES BACK, HE HAS TO, THAT WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. WE HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH EIGHT PEOPLE THAT CAME AND AT THE TROUT CREEK MARINA.

AND THEY HAD NO CONCERNS. THEY WERE VERY PLEASED TO SEE THIS KIND OF REVERT BACK TO THE OTHER WAY.

AND WE WENT TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. SO WE ARE HERE TODAY ASKING YOU FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND THAT IS TO TAKE THIS AS THE REZONING FROM PRD TO OPEN RURAL. WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS? PAUL. DID YOU HAVE --

>> NO, SIR. THAT WAS FROM EARLIER.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, WE'LL GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 5. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.

IS THERE A MOTION? >> I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANT 2021-84. REZONING 2021-25 THE PRESERVE AT EAGLE COVE. A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 42.3 ACRES OF LAND FROM AN EXPIRED RURAL DEVELOPMENT TO OPEN RURAL TO ALLOW LIMITED RESIDENTIAL

[6. Second hearing for an MSTU Ordinance to replace the Ponte Vedra Beach and Dune Restoration MSTU with two new MSTUs.]

SPECIFICALLY LOCATED AT 4680 STATE ROAD 13 NORTH BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE MOTION AND SECOND ON ITEM 5. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 4-0. ITEM 6.

ANYBODY? JOY, YOU WANT ME TO HANDLE THIS? GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIR AND BOARD.

I WILL TRY TO HANDLE THIS AS WELL AS I CAN.

THIS IS FOR THE SECOND HEARING FOR THE MST U ORDINANCE TO REPLACE THE OLD PONTE VEDRA ORDINANCE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE MSTU SET UP BEFORE THE END OF CALENDAR YEAR.

THIS IS REALLY JUST TO PROVIDE THE ABILITY FOR THE BOARD TO ESTABLISH TWO SEPARATE MSTU FOR TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS FOR NEXT

FISCAL YEAR. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 6? DAMON, DID YOU WANT

>> NO, SIR. >> GOOD.

>> ALL RIGHT. NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT'S BACK TO THE BOARD. I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> IF I CAN GET TO IT. MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021-85. CREATING THE PONTE VEDRA ONE AND PONTE VEDRA TWO DUNE AND BEACH RESTORATION TAXING UNITS AND

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REPEALS >> SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE MOTION AND SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 4-0.

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THE LAND COMMITTEE. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

MELISSA LUNDQUIST, ASSISTANT TO YOU ALL BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. ITEM SEVEN IS FOR TO YOU CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE LAND ACQUISITION LAND MANAGEMENT CONSERVATION BOARD. YOU ENACTED 2021-38 BACK IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR. YOU IMPLEMENTED THE PROGRAM AND THAT OF COURSE ESTABLISHED THE NEED TO HAVE MEMBERS APPOINTED TO THE CONSERVATION BOARD. THE VACANCIES FOR THIS BOARD WHICH IS A NINE-MEMBER BOARD WERE ADVERTISED IN TWO SEPARATE FOUR WEEK SPANS. THERE ARE, EACH OF YOU CHOSE A MEMBER ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE FOR YOUR RESPECTIVE DISTRICT. AND THEN THE BALANCE OF THE MEMBERS ARE TO BE CHOSEN BY YOU COLLECTIVELY.

LUCKILY BEFORE COMMISSIONER SMITH DEPARTED US, I ALSO WAS ABLE TO GAIN A REPRESENTATIVE AS HE DEEMED APPROPRIATE FOR DISTRICT 2. ODDLY WE ONLY RECEIVED ONE APPLICATION FROM DISTRICT TWO. SO, WE DID RECEIVE A TOTAL OF 18 APPLICATIONS FOR YOUR REVIEW. THE FIRST FIVE LISTED ARE ALL OF THE DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVES AS EACH OF YOU INDICATED TO ME.

AND THEN THE OTHER FOUR ARE MOTIONS SUGGESTING THE BALANCE OF THOSE MEMBERS WHICH WOULD BE FOUR AND THOSE I HAVE RECOMMENDED TO SET THE TWO YEAR TERM FOR THOSE IN ORDER TO STAGGER, OF COURSE IT'S SOLELY UP TO YOU IF YOU WISH TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT I SUGGESTED IN THE MOTIONS.

THAT'S THE BASICS OF THE ITEM. IF THERE ARE QUESTION, I'M HAPPY

TO ANSWER. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE APPOINTMENT OF THE LAND COMMITTEE MEMBERS?

ITEM 7. >> B.J. KLATY WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. ARE YOU GOING TO TELL US WHO IS PICKED? HAS THAT BEEN DONE.

I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU PICKED. I ONLY HEARD MR. SMITH GOT ONE.

ARE YOU GOING TO TELL US WHO YOU PICKED AND THEN ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE OUT LOUD FOR THE OTHER FOUR? I'M KIND OF CONFUSED HERE. THANK YOU.

>> ACTUALLY, I AM TOO MS. KLATY. I WAS GOING TO DISCUSS THAT OR ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS HOWME WAND TO PROCEED.

>> IN THE SUGGESTION MOTION OF THE AGENDA PACKET ITSELF WHICH I'M HOLDING IN MY HAND FOR THE DISTRICT ONE REPRESENTATIVE, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST INDICATED HIS INTEREST OF HAVING VERNON HOLLY SMITH SELECTED FOR THAT SEAT.

COMMISSIONER SMITH HAD FOR HIS DISTRICT TWO REPRESENTATIVED HAD SELECTED MICHAEL D ADAMS WHICH I SAID WAS THE ONLY ONE APPLICANT FROM DISTRICT TWO. COMMISSIONER WALDRON FOR THIS DISTRICT 3 REPRESENTATIVE HAD SELECTED JIMMY WATSON.

AND COMMISSIONER BLOCKER FOR DISTRICT FOUR SELECTED KAYLIE ADAMSON AND COMMISSIONER DEAN LAST BUT NOT LEAST FOR DISTRICT 5 SELECTED ELIZABETH GUNTH REE. MY QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT ON POINT. THOSE ARE THE FIVE MEMBERS THAT WE, IF WE APPROVE THOSE FIVE TODAY THAT LEAVES FOUR

SEATS. >> YES, SIR.

CORRECT >> AND FOUR OPEN SEATS, I THOUGHT HAD FOUR DIFFERENT CRITERIA.

THEY WERE FOUR SEATS AND FOUR LIKE AN ENGINEER, A LAND USE

SPECIALIST OR I THOUGHT -- >> HOW WOULD WE PROCEED AS A BOARD TO SELECT AND FILL THOSE FOUR AT LARGE SEATS I'LL CALL

IT? >> SO I DID PLACE IN THE AGENDA PACKET AND I'M SORRY I DID NOT GO OVER THAT ONE WHEN I SPOKE, BUT THE MEMBERS OF THE CONSERVATION ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE EXPERIENCE OR EXPERTISE IN ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWS AREAS I WILL READ OUT. AT LEAST FIVE OF THESE AREAS ARE TO BE REPRESENTED AT ALL TIMES. SO, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THE ORDINANCE BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE AN ATTEMPT MADE TO REPRESENT THESE AREAS SPECIFICALLY. AT LEAST FIVE OF THEM AT ALL TIMES OUT OF THE NINE MEMBERS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE BOARD.

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ECOTOURISM, EDUCATION, ENGINEERING, ENVIRONMENTAL, HISTORY, PARKS, PLANNING, REAL ESTATE, RECREATION, SOLE HYDRAULIC NATURAL SCIENCE SUCH AS BIOLOGY, BOTANY, GEOLOGY AND ZOOLOGY. I WILL SAY THIS.

YOU ARE ALL ARE PRETTY USED TO ALREADY HAVE THESE BOARDED ESTABLISHED AND RECEIVING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THOSE WHO VET THE APPLICATIONS FOR YOU. I KNOW MS. BREWER'S INTENT WITH HER STAFF IS TO TRY TO GET THIS BOARD UP AND RUNNING BY JANUARY AT A MINIMUM SO THEY BECAUSE THEIR FIRST INITIAL MEETING THEY HAVE TO MEET, SELECT CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND AS WELL AS BE GUIDE BY OUR OCA ON THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT THEY WILL NEED TO KNOW AND BE ABLE TO DO AS A BOARD.

>> I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS BECAUSE I WANT TO GET THIS COMMITTEE UP AND RUNNING AND FULLY LOADED.

AND THERE ARE FOUR IN ADDITION TO THE FIVE SEATS REPRESENTING THE FIVE DISTRICTS, THERE ARE FOUR ADDITIONAL AT LARGE I WILL CALL IT AS SHE READ THE LIST OF QUALIFICATIONS OR AREAS OF EXPERTISE. THE FOUR OF US AND FOUR OPENINGS, SO ONCE WE ACT ON THE FIVE, I RECOMMEND THAT EACH OF US ADD AN ADDITIONAL MEMBER SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND WE CAN DO THAT UNLESS WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD.

I WOULD LIKE A MOTION IF WE CAN, PATRICK, TODAY TO SAY EACH BOARD MEMBER THE RECOMMEND ONE OF CRITERIA SO WE CAN BY THE END OF WEEK HOPEFULLY HAVE A NINE-MEMBER FULL WORKING NINE MEMBER LAND FOLLOW ME?

>> YES, SIR. >> ABSOLUTELY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> RIGHT. SO, I HAVE GOT MINE.

I HAVE ONE AS WELL. I WANTED TO GIVE Y'ALL TIME TO

THINK ABOUT IT. >> MR. CHAIR, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, YOU HAVE THE EASY FIVE TODAY.

THE ONES THAT WERE ONE PER DISTRICT AND EACH ONE OF THOSE IS KIND OF LISTED AS A SEPARATION MOTION BUT IF A MAKER OF A MOTION WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE THE SLATE AS PRESENTED AND THAT WOULD GET ALL FIVE IN ONE.

AND THEN IF YOU MOVED ON, WHAT I AM HEARING MR. CHAIR WHAT YOU SAID, IS EACH OF THE FOUR OF YOU WILL GO THROUGH THAT, THE REMAINING OF THE 18 OF THE APPLICANTS AND SELECT SOMEONE, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND HAPPEN FOR THAT YOU COULD EVEN DO IT DURING REPORTS OF YOUR NEXT MEETING, I RECOMMEND THEY BE RATIFIED BY A VOTE OF THE BOARD AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.

SO EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE CAN SELECT OR BASICALLY YOU KNOW NOMINATE SO TO SPEAK, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT --

>> WE CAN BRING IT BACK AND RATIFY IT.

>> YES, SIR. IF I COULD MR. CHAIRMAN.

PATRICK, I AM GOING TO DISAGREE. WE ARE HERE AND HAVE THESE NAMES. THEY HAVE BEEN VETTED.

>> IF YOU'RE READY TO CHOOSE. >> I'M ABSOLUTELY READY.

>> I THINK WE ALL CAME PREPARED AND SPOKE TO SOME OF THESE.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. MR. CHAIR.

I AM READY TO MOVE THIS MR. CHAIRMAN.

IS THERE A MOTION ON THE SLATE OF FIVE.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE SLATE OF FIVE APPOINT VERNON HOLLY SMITH, AS DISTRICT ONE REPRESENTATIVE.

MOTION APPOINTMENT OF MICHAEL DAD AMS. JIMMY R WATSON AS DISTRICT 3 REPRESENTATIVE, KAYLIE ADAMSON AS DISTRICT FOUR REPRESENTATIVE. AND ELIZABETH GUTHRIE AS

DISTRICT FIVE REPRESENTATIVE. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. >> THAT WOULD BE FOR

NOVEMBER 16, >> FOUR YEAR TERM.

>> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THAT PASSES 4-0. MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE ONE AS WELL

IF I COULD. >> YES PLEASE.

>> NEXT WOULD BE FOR DISTRICT 4, THAT WOULD BE MR. TRAVIS MENSH.

>> OKAY. THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION TO

APPOINT. >> SECOND.

>> FOR A TWO YEAR TERM. >> TWO YEAR TERM.

>> THAT'S APPROVED. 4-0.

>> PAUL, >> YES, SIR.

FROM DISTRICT 3, MOTION TO APPOINT MR. WILLIAM J.B. MILLER.

>> SECOND. >> TO A TWO YEAR TERM.

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>> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE VOTE.

>> WELL, I THINK YOU COVERED -- COMMISSIONER WALDRON NOMINATED BY FIRST CHOICE. I'M GOING TO MOVE MY SECOND.

>> STAY IN YOUR OWN DISTRICT. >> WELL, J.B. MILLER AND I WORKED TOGETHER SO MANY YEARS AT WATER MANAGEMENT.

I WAS GOING TO OFFER HIM UP. I'M GOING TO, I WILL GO TO MY SECOND WATER MANAGEMENT CHOICE. WAYNE FLOWERS AND HE MAYBE IN DISTRICT ONE. BUT HE IS SUCH A GOOD MAN I STILL WANT TO RECOMMEND HIM. HE'S MY FORMER GENERAL COUNCIL AT WATER MANAGEMENT AND EXCELLENT

ATTORNEY. >> I SECOND THAT.

>> I WILL >> PLEASE VOTE.

>> ALL RIGHT. AND CHRISTIAN.

>> I WILL MOVE TO APPOINT SHORTY ROBBINS FOR A TWO YEAR TERM.

>> OH, THAT'S A GOOD ONE. >> I SECOND THAT MOTION.

>> MOTION AND SECOND ON SHORTY. PLEASE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. WE GOT OUR NINE

>> THANK YOU. GENTLEMEN.

>> THANK YOU. OKAY.

[Public Comment]

LET'S GO TO REPORTS. JEREMIAH.

>> WE HAVE COMMENT.

I'M >> YEAH.

GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OH, YEAH.

OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

YEAH. WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. NO SPECIFIC ITEMS.

JUST GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THE

DISCLAIMER. >> YEAH.

GO AHEAD. ONE MOMENT.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT MEETING. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM.

COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FROM IMMEDIATELY RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD.

NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOISTEROUS COMMENTS. FINALLY, I WOULD ASK THAT ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVER HEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF THE COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO PUBLIC RECORD. THANK YOU.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE IN I CONTROL.

>> THI NICOLE CROSBY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTES ON VILANO AND THE APPOINTMENTS TO THE LAND COMMITTE.

CONGRATULATIONS TO CHAIR DEAN. THE REASON I WANT TO TALK TODAY, I BELIEVE THE RECENT PROPOSALS BY STEVE DEVANNO CALL FORTH THE NEED FOR THE COMMISSION TO ESTABLISH PROTOCOLS FOR PROPOSALS TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD.

IT SEEMS PROPOSALS TO PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT COME SLOWLY.

I HAVE SUBMITTED PROPOSALS FOR HORSE SAFETY FOR OUR BEACHES WHICH HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY IGNORED.

OUR COUNTY IS NOT FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE RIDERS TO LOG. WE HAVE NO IDEA FOR WHO IS RIDING ON THEM OR WHEN. THE HORSE EXTREMENT HAS BEEN PROTESTED. IT'S BEEN THREE MONTHS AND IT'S NOT ADDRESSED. TIME DOESN'T PERMIT ME THAT COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND DEAN REQUESTED UPDATE FROM STAFF.

THREE BOC MEETINGS HAVE TAKEN PLACE SINCE COMMISSIONER DEAN ASKED FOR A LITTER ORDINANCE BE DRAFTED FOR BALLOONS AFTER NEARLY 1200 RESIDENTS REQUESTED THE BAND AND SHERIFF HARDWICK WAS NOT AFTER ISSUE. SAINT AUGUSTINE HAD THEIR ORDINANCES AT THE VERY NEXT MEETINGS AFTER IT WAS PROPOSED.

COMMISSIONER DEAN ASKED FOR A PROGRESS REPORT OVER A WEEK AGO.

COPYING ME. THERE WAS NO REPLY FROM THE ATTORNEY AND THERE'S NO LET UP TO THE SAFETY CONCERNS THE PEOPLE OF MARSH LANDING HAVE OF FLOODED AREAS.

WHERE IS THE REPLY FROM THE ATTORNEY TO MARSH LANDING.

I HEARD FROM A NEUROSURGEON WHO HAS A FOOT OF WATER ON HIS DOCK.

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PLEASE ENFORCE. IT'S CLEAR THAT THE DEVELOPERS COMMAND THE TIME AND ENERGY OF OUR COUNTY STAFF.

I FOUND MR. DEBANOE HAD 82 E-MAIL CHANGES WITH THE COUNTY AND JUST A QUARTER OF THE TIME HE SPENT ON HIS INITIATIVE.

DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE PHONE CALLS.

WHAT REALLY SHOWS THE DEVELOPERS TAKE PRIORITY OVER THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTY IS THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE RELEGATED TO THE VERY LAST ITEM OF THE DAY. CAUSING RESIDENTS TO SPEND HOURS OF THEIR TIME WAITING ONLY TO SPEAK TO A NEAR EMPTY ROOM.

I RESEARCHED ABOUT 10 COUNTIES DISCOVERED WE'RE THE ONLY COUNTY IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA HAS THAT PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BITTER END. I HOPE THAT WILL

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU NICOLE.

>> SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE.

SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. I AGREE WITH HER BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN BLOCKED FOR THE LAST YEAR AND I ALSO AM REGRET MISSING THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING BECAUSE WHEN I STARTED COMING HERE THREE YEARS AGO, I STARTED TELLING Y'ALL ABOUT THE CORRUPTNESS ON A PUBLIC PLATFORM.

NOTHING HAS STILL BEEN DONE ABOUT SOME OF IT.

YOU GENTLEMEN ARE THE STEWARDS. YOU ARE ELECTED.

IT'S YOUR JOB TO MAKE SURE YOUR STAFF IS DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. AND FOLLOWING GUIDELINES AND NOT LETTING THEM GO HERE AND THERE AND ALL OVER THE PLACE.

WILLY-NILLY THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL IT BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CODES BECAUSE EVERY TIME A DEVELOPER OR A LAWYER COMES BEFORE YOU, LET'S SEE, THAT'S FORGOT ABOUT. I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU THIS FOR THREE YEARS. I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY OUT THERE IN TV LAND TO START PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTY. BECAUSE IT'S NOT RIGHT.

IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR Y'ALL TO DO THIS TO ME.

IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR Y'ALL TO DO THIS TO OTHER PEOPLE.

AND I HAVE EVEN SEEN A COUPLE OF Y'ALL VOTE ON STUFF THAT'S TOTALLY ILLEGAL AND NO BETTER AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE ABOUT IT. THANK YOU.

GOD BLESS AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> THANK YOU.

FURTHER GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MA'AM.

>> HELLO AGAIN. MAUREEN LONG.

1821 CASTEEL STREET. AFTER HEARING ABOUT VILANO HOTEL, I HAD SUGGESTIONS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN BE IN PLACE. BUT IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THAT WHEN YOU GO INTO WHEN YOU GO INTO GET YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE THEY GIVE YOU A LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO BRING IN.

I'VE GONE INTO GET IT, YOU CHECK THE THINGS OFF.

YOU KNOW WHEN YOU GO IN, YOU'RE PREPARED AND CAN GET YOUR LICENSE. IF YOU MISS ONE THING, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET YOUR LICENSE. WHEN THESE DEVELOPERS ARE PEOPLE GO BEFORE THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD PLANNING AND ZONING.

ANYTHING OUR COUNTY STAFF HAS TO HELP THEM WITH PERHAPS A LIST.

A CHECK OFF LIST FOR CERTAIN THINGS THEY HAVE TO DO AND THEY HAVE TO GET. THAT WAY DOESN'T FALL SO MUCH ON OUR COUNTY STAFF WHO IS I BELIEVE OVER WORKED.

I BELIEVE THEY ARE UNDER STAFFED AND OVER WORKED.

IT'S DIFFICULT. IT'S DIFFICULT.

I HAVE WORKED IN OFFICES AND RESTAURANTS LIKE THAT.

LET ME TELL YOU, YOU DON'T DO YOUR BEST WORK.

YOU CAN'T BREATHE. IT'S NOT CONGENIAL TO ANYBODY OR ANYTHING. STREAM LINE IT.

HAVE LISTED MADE FOR WHOEVER COMES IN TO GET WHATEVER THEY WANT AND THEY CAN JUST CHECK IT OFF.

THIS KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH TODAY.

THEY DIDN'T BRING THIS IN. THEY DIDN'T BRING THAT IN AND THEY COME IN BEFORE Y'ALL AND THEY MIRACULOUSLY HAVE IT.

WHY DO WE HAVE TO DRAG EVERYBODY THROUGH IT? TO BEGIN WITH, THEY DIDN'T HAVE WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO.

THEY HAD 123 PAPERS. 23 WERE THEIR DESIGN PLATFORMS. ALL THE OTHER PAGES THEY HAD IN THERE WERE THE LDC RULES AND REGULATIONS. THE PAMPHLET, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO. THEY SHOULD HAVE READ THOSE AND KNOWN WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO. PERHAPS A SIMPLE FORM, A LIST LIKE WHEN YOU GO TO THE GROCERY STORE SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AND OUR STAFF CAN SAY, HERE'S YOUR LIST.

THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED. IT MIGHT STREAMLINE EVERYTHING FOR EVERYBODY AND OUR STAFF DOESN'T HAVE TO WORK SO HARD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

[04:35:08]

>> B.J. KLATY, WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

8 NEWCOME. HOPEFULLY MS. SMITH AND MR. GREG WHITE AND THOSE WHO SPOKE AGAINST HOME AGAIN WITH MET WITH MR. MIKE DAVIS TO LOCATE ANOTHER HOME FOR THEM.

A COMMENT THAT WHEREVER THEY LOCATE THE NEIGHBORS WILL OBJECT WAS MADE BY THOSE IN THIS ROOM WHO KNOW HOME AGAIN WILL NOT.

I REPEAT WILL NOT BE LOCATED WHERE THEY LIVE.

AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT GATE WHICH MADE A DONATION AT THE LAST MEETING IS THE COMPANY WHICH PUT UP A SIGN ON U.S. 1 NORTH WHICH THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE HAD TO REMOVE SINCE THEY WOULD NOT PAY TO DISPLAY THE SIGN.

BUSINESS PEOPLE NEED TO FOLLOW THE RULES JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE. AND I APPRECIATE WHAT MS. NICOLE JUST SAID. I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY THIS.

IT'S TIME TO RESPECT THE PUBLIC AND RETURN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE BEGINNING OF THE BCC MEETINGS.

AND ALSO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU THAT I HAVE NOTICED, I DON'T HAVE TO RUN UP HERE BECAUSE OUR TIME DOES NOT START ANYMORE ACCORDING TO THE COMMISSIONER UNTIL WE'RE ACTUALLY UP HERE.

AND START SPEAKING. I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

BECAUSE I CAN RUN. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MOSEY UP HERE SOMETIMES. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. FURTHER GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT TO APPROACH THE PODIUM.

I KNOW THIS BOARD WOULD APPRECIATE YOU RESPECTING THE TIME. SHOULD WORK.

>> HELLO MY NAME IS JEFF CLEFFMAN.

I'M OWNER OF 2835 SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.

I HAVE GOT SOME PHOTOS I WAS HOPING TO SHARE WITH YOU AND SENT YOU AN E-MAIL COMMISSIONER DEAN AND APPRECIATE THE TIME FOR YOU TO CONSIDER WHEN I'M GOING TO SAY.

THERE IS A SEA WALL THAT HAS BEEN DAMAGED FROM THE HURRICANES. SO WE'RE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.

THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION FOR THESE FOUR PROPERTIES ON THE 2800 BLOCK FOR A SEA WALL TO BE BUILT.

THE SEA WALL BUILT WAS NOT BUILT BY A COMPETENT SEA WALL CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. I KNOW THAT DAMON IS IN THE ROOM HERE TODAY. DAMON DOUGLAS.

WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM KELLY MCDAGGER FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND HAD TO DO WITH THE CONDITION OF THE WALL.

SO THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE WALL HAS BOARDS THAT ARE CONNECTED. THE BOARDS ARE TIED BACK ON PILING AND WHERE YOU SEE THE SAND HERE, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE LEVEL. YOU CAN SEE THE LAST ONE HERE WHICH IS THE FOURTH HOUSE. THIS ENCOMPASSES FIVE HOUSES AT THIS TIME. TWO OF THE HOUSES ACTUALLY IN THE PHOTO ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE FALLEN IN DURING THE HURRICANES.

SO, THEY'RE GONE. I BOUGHT THE EMPTY LOT.

FIVE OF THEM HERE WE HAVE A SEA WALL THAT HAS NOTHE BEEN FIXED FOR FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS. WHAT HAPPENS NOW IS I HAVE SPENT SINCE MARCH THIRD, I HAVE HAD AN APPLICATION IN.

PAID THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY FOR THE RIGHT TO BUILD A SEA WALL TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY.

THAT ACTUALLY GETS AFFECTED BY THE RE-PUTTING THE SAND BACK IN.

SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS RIGHT NOW.

DAMON ACTUALLY HELPED OUT WHEN I MADE A REQUEST TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY AS AN EXEMPTION BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ISSUE THE ARMORMENT OF THIS WALL.

THAT'S WHAT WAY CALL IT. ARMORMENT TO PROTECT YOU FROM THE SEA WALL. THE WALL THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON PROPOSING I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS HEARD ABOUT SUPPLY CHAIN.

BUT WE HAVE ACTUALLY GOT AN APPROVAL FROM THE SUPPLIER THAT WILL GIVE US THE MATERIAL WITHIN FOUR WEEKS TO BASICALLY START TO BUILD THE WALL. YOU CAN'T BUILD THE WALL BETWEEN MAY AND END OF OCTOBER BECAUSE OF THE SEA TURTLES.

WE WANT TO DO THIS IN THE RIGHT WAY.

WE WANT TO DO IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY.

BUT WE WANT TO DO IT AND FIVE DIFFERENT HOMEOWNERS ON THE 2800 BLOCK PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD SOUTH --

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>> SORRY. SORRY SIR --

>> THIS IS THE FINAL PICTURE OF THE HOUSE THAT IS NOW -- FALLING INTO THE OCEAN. BECAUSE OF IT.

AND WE'RE HOPING TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD TO GET SOME HELP MR. COMMISSIONER DEAN. OKAY.

THANK YOU. HAVE YOU, YOU SPOKE TO DAMON

DOUGLAS ABOUT THIS? >> DAMON DOUGLAS HAS BEEN INVOLVED AND ACTUALLY GAVE US THE EXEMPTION RULE WHICH IF THE RULE IS NINE MONTHS WITHIN THE TIME, HE HAD THE FUNDING THE PERMITTING ALL THREE OF THOSE TRIGGERS HAD TO BE IN PLACE.

HE CONFIRMED THE FUNDING AND THE PERMITTING FOR THE SECOND RENOURISHMENT PROJECT HAS NOT BEEN FUNDED OR PERMITTED AT THE TIME. DEP DID NOT ACCEPT THAT.

THEY DENIED THE REQUEST. THEY DID NOT ACCEPT THE

EXEMPTION. >> WHAT ARE YOU ASKING THIS COMMISSION TO DO? I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE ASK.

>> THE ASK IS BASICALLY WE BELIEVE IT NEEDS TO GO TO A GOVERNMENT, TO THE GOVERNOR TO PUT IT IN TO AN EMERGENCY REPAIR. THIS AT ONE TIME HAD THE EMERGENCY REPAIR. THEY FIXED THE WALL.

>> LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I WILL DO.

I HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY ON BEACH RENOURISHMENT.

I WILL GET WITH DAMON AND OUR OTHER STAFF AND GET BACK TO YOU THIS WEEK AND GET SPECIFIC. WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW AT THIS MOMENT. WE NEED TO FINISH THE MEETING.

I WILL GET WITH YOU IF NOT TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY.

>> WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED WITH YOU ON THURSDAY.

>> SEE I PROMISED TO GET WITH YOU AND IT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED.

>> WE WOULD LIKE TO GET EMERGENCY ACTION TO HELP US WITH

THE FDEP. >> ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS BEEN

EXCELLENT ON HELPING US. >> SEE YOU THURSDAY.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> IF THE MR. CLEFFMAN. WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THOSE INTO THE RECORD IF WE CAN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE COPIES

OR WE CAN MAKE COPIES. >> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD. >> AMBASSADOR.

24700 DEER TRACE DRIVE PONTE VEDRA BEACH, FLORIDA.

I AM HERE BECAUSE THE FLOODING PROBLEM AND BECAUSE IT IS RELATED TO THE STREET AND THE RESURFACING OF THE STREET IF MARSH LANDING. I WAS FLOODED BEFORE FROM THE STREET ON TO MY PROPERTY. THERE IS NO GUTTER.

THERE IS NO SEWER. THERE IS NO CATCH BASIN AND I NEED TO HAVE THAT CORRECTED SO THAT I AM NOT TAKING ALL OF THE STREET WATER THROUGH MY PROPERTY VIA MY DRIVEWAY.

THAT'S THE SITUATION RIGHT NOW AND IT ALSO INCLUDES WATER FROM OTHER HOUSES BECAUSE IT GOES DOWNHILL AND I AM, MY PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE POND SO IT ALL FLOWS THROUGH MY LOWER PROPERTY AND OUT TO THE POND. SO THE FLOODING IS YOU CAN SEE WHEN THE POND IS UP, BUT THE STREET IS WHAT IS MAJOR CONCERN BECAUSE I THINK YOU WERE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE STREET.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IT GOES DOWNHILL.

DEER TRACE DRIVE IS THERE AT THE TOP.

AND MY DRIVEWAY IS THE ONE YOU SEE ALL CRACKED.

PART OF THE BLESSING OF HAVING BEEN FLOODED.

AND IT'S GOING TO KEEP BEING FLOODED AS LONG AS THERE'S NO CORRECTION TO DEER TRACE DRIVE PREVENTING IT FROM FLOODING DOWN INTO MY PROPERTY. OR GIVING IT AN ALTERNATIVE FLOW TO THE POND. ANY QUESTIONS I MIGHT ANSWER? NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE RAISED IT WITH MARSH LANDING BUT NUMBER HAS HAPPENED. IT WILL REQUIRE FUNDING OF

COURSE. >> YES, MA'AM, I WILL SAY MANY OF US HAVE SEEN THE PICTURES. WE HAVE GOTTEN THEM THROUGH E-MAIL. WE'RE AWARE

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

>> MR. HENSLEY. THOSE PHOTOS MAY HAVE BEEN E-MAILED BUT WE WOULD APPRECIATE THEM.

>> I AM SONNY FULL FORD, I LIVE AT 468 HIGH TIDE DRIVE.

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WE RESCUE FOOD AND DISTRIBUTE FOR FREE TO PEOPLE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY TODAY BECAUSE WE'RE IN A SERIOUS DILEMMA BUT I WILL READ AN E-MAIL THAT SHERIFF'S DEPUTY TOMMY KIES LER SENT ON OUR BEHALF. SO HE SAID I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A POTENTIAL COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT PROJECT AND RESOURCE IN JOINT CONNECTION WITH THE SHERIFFS, EPICURE AND HOPEFUL HAND BAGS. EPICURE IS A NON-PROFIT THAT HELPS FEED THOUSANDS OF ST. JOHNS RESIDENTS EACH YEAR.

WE CURRENTLY FEED 800 HOUSEHOLDS PER WEEK.

WE HAVE HELPED OUT AT DIFFERENT FOOD DISTRIBUTION CENTERS.

WE VOLUNTEER AT BOYS AND GIRLS COMMUNITY WITH WORKSHOPS WITH YOUTH IN HOW TO MAKE MEALS. THEY DISTRIBUTED OVER SEVEN MILLION POUNDS OF FOOD AND PROVIDED 867 POUNDS OF FOOD TO FAMILIES EXPERIENCING NEED. HUGS ACROSS THE COUNTY PROVIDES CLOTHING AND SUPPLIES TO EVERY SCHOOL IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THEY PROVIDE CLASSROOM VOLUNTEERS TO TITLE I SCHOOLS AND 80% ON FREE AND REDUCED MEAL PROGRAMS. HOPEFUL HAND BAGS SUPPORT THOSE FROM GETTING BACK ON THEIR FEET FROM DOMESTIC ABUSE. WE ARE CURRENTLY MAINTAINING A WAREHOUSE ON STATE ROUTE 16. THEY INFORMED THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RENEW THEIR LEASE. THIS IS AN URGENT SITUATION AND A NEW LOCATION MUST BE FOUND BEFORE MARCH SO THESE PROGRAMS CAN CONTINUE IN ST. JOHNS PROGRAM.

HE WAS RECOMMENDING THEY ARE MOVING OUT OF PAL BUILDING ON ST. JOHNS. THERE'S ALREADY ANOTHER USE FOR THE BUILDING OR SOMEBODY ELSE IS MOVING IN.

WE HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR A NEW WAREHOUSE SPACE FOR THE LAST TWO-AND-A-HALF MONTHS AND FOUND NOTHING.

WE HAVE REAL ESTATE AGENTS. OUR PATRONS AND EVERYBODY WORKING TO FIND A NEW SPACE FOR US.

IT JUST DOESN'T EXIST WITH THE ECONOMIC BOOM IN THE COUNTY.

THERE'S NOTHING AVAILABLE. I WAS HOPING IF THERE'S A RESOURCE YOU CAN THINK OF, WE COULD JUST PUT OUR MINDS TO IT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY RESOURCE THAT YOU ALL IN THE COUNTY CAN OFFER TO US SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE AND JUST AS A NOTE, SO THE WHOLESALE VALUE OF FOOD THAT EPICURE HAS PROVIDED IN JUST THE FIRST 10 MONTHS OF 2021 IS $3.7 MILLION.

SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE YOU WITH FAST FACTS AND A SHEET WE FILLED OUT ON THE ARPA GRANT QUESTIONNAIRE.

WE HAD PEOPLE SUGGESTED RESPONSES.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> WELL ACTUALLY, I WANT TO GO BACK AND ADDRESS THE MARSH LANDING. WITH THIS, IF IT PLEASES THE BOARD, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE CAN ASK STAFF IF THERE'S ANY FEDERAL FUNDING TO HELP WITH THE SITUATION.

>> I THINK YOU HAVE AN ARPA GRANT ALREADY PENDING A REQUEST.

>> NO. WE ONLY SUBMITTED THE RESPONSES TO THE QUESTIONNAIRE. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE ARPA GRANT APPLICATIONS ARE BEING ACCEPTED ANYWHERE.

>> FROM THE RESTAURANTS. >> TALK TO JOY ANDREWS AT SOME POINT. WHY DON'T Y'ALL TALK ABOUT THAT.

SHE IS HANDLING THE ARPA GRANT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

>> OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A

>> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> I CAN WAIT FOR COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER OR TWO MORE SPEAKERS. WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I CAN MAKE

COMMENTS AT THE >>

>> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> HELLO, I LIVE IN MARSH LANDING.

TO STEAL MR. MCERNIE'S COMMENTS. THERE'S 28 PEOPLE WHO HAVE TURNED IN PRIDE TICKETS BESIDES PEOPLE PART OF THE PERMIT.

THAT HAVE BEEN SITTING AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PERMIT THAT WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. THOSE TICKETS WERE IGNORED IN MARSH LANDING RESPONSE TO MR. MCCORMACKS LETTER.

WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE COUNTY CODE AND NOT BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE WE LIVE BEHIND A GATED COMMUNITY.

WE PAY TAXES JUST LIKE ALL OTHER COUNTY RESIDENTS AND DESERVE TO

[04:50:05]

THIS IS THE DOCTOR, THE BACKYARD WITH THE TWO FEET OF WATER IN IT. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT GOES SEVERAL PROPERTIES. IT'S NOT JUST ONE.

I THINK THIS IS ABOUT FIVE PROPERTIES.

THESE ARE ELECTRICAL BOXES THAT ARE UNDER WATER FOR INDIVIDUAL HOMES. ALL IN MARSH LANDING.

THEY WERE TRYING TO RESTORE ENERGY TO PEOPLE'S HOME BUT COULDN'T RESTORE BECAUSE WATER WAS UNDER THE HOUSE.

I'M ASKING THAT ALSO WE ARE HAVING PROBLEM WITH PRIDE TICKETS. WHEN I FIRST JOINED AND WAS PART OF RIVER MANAGEMENT. I TURNED IN A PRIDE TICKET AND WHOEVER RUNS THE PROGRAM PROMPTLY CALLED MARSH LANDING TO LET THEM KNOW I CALLED. THEN I GOT A CALL FROM MARSH LANDING, HARASSED I WOULD SAY. I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THIS HAPPENED TO. WHEN WE TURN IN PRIDE TICKETS.

SOMEONE AT THE COUNTY IS ALLOWING CALLING MARSH LANDING AND LETTING THEM KNOW AND IN TURN WE'RE GETTING CALLS FOR LETTERS NASTY GRAMS AS I CALL THEM.

THAT WE TURNED IN FLOODING ISSUES OR ANY TYPE OF ISSUES TO MARSH LANDING. I WOULD LIKE THAT PROCESS TO STOP. IF YOU GUYS CAN HELP IN ANY WAY.

I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MS. FISHER. MR. HENSLEY.

NAME AND ADDRESS. >> JAMES HENSLEY.

7330 OAK MONT COURT. I KNOW 90% OF PEOPLE COMPLAIN TO YOU AND 10% SAY THANK YOU. I GET IT.

I'M PROBABLY ONE OF 90%. FOR THE MONEY YOU MAKE.

YOU'RE GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT OR YOU REALLY CARE.

I GET THAT. TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IT.

THIS REACHED THE CRITICAL STAGE AND IT REALLY HAS.

THERE'S TWO BIFURCATED ISSUES HERE.

WE WON THAT. TOOK THEM TO COURT AND COST ME $100,000. YOU HAVE 28 OTHER PEOPLE.

MS. POULTON WHO WROTE YOU A LETTER AND I AM GOING TO QUOTE HER SAYING SHE BROKE HER ANKLE, HER LEG, TORE HER ACL AND ROTATOR CUFF JUST GETTING HER MAIL.

SHE GAVE HER LIFE TO THIS COUNTRY.

SHE DIDN'T TELL YOU THE REAL STORY WHICH IS SHE FELL IN HER DRIVEWAY AND DRUG HERSELF ACROSS THAT DRIVE ON HER BUTT AND CRAWLED INTO HER HOME TO GET HELP.

AND THAT'S HOW PROUD SHE IS. WE ALL STAND HERE AND ACT LIKE IT'S NO BIG DEAL. WHAT IS WRONG WITH US? RIGHT. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO GAVE THEIR LIFE TO THIS COUNTRY. OUR RESIDENTS ARE BEING HARASSED WHEN THEY TURN IN A PRIDE TICKET.

THEY SAY WHY DID YOU TURN US IN? WE DON'T NEED TO LIVE IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. YOU LOOK AT THESE PICTURES.

MY GOD. THESE FIVE FOOT BERMS ARE MISSING. I GAVE YOU THE PLANS.

I SPENT THREE YEARS OF MY LIFE AND I'M THE CFO OF A PROPERTY AND CASUALTY COMPANY. I SPENT 13 VACATION DAYS HERE.

PEOPLE ARE FALLING AND BREAKING THEIR BONES.

DOES SOMEONE NEED TO DIE BEFORE WE REALIZE WHAT IS GOING ON? PATRICK YOUR E-MAIL IS VERY CLEAR.

YOU'RE GETTING ALL THESE NOTES FROM EVERYBODY ELSE SAYING YOU GOT TO DEAL MARSH LANDING TO DEAL WITH THESE PEOPLE.

>> MR. HENSLEY. PLEASE ADDRESS THE BOARD.

HE SENT THIS LETTER SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR IT.

WE COME IN HERE WITH THE LAST 38 SECONDS.

I DON'T KNOW IF DICK IS OVER WORKED THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IS MIKE REGISTER. HE HAS PULLED THE PERMIT THAT HIS OWN TEAM APPROVED FOR OUR SUBDIVISION AND GAVE IT TO A THIRD PARTY. MR. DEAN, YOU RAN THAT DEPARTMENT FOR 10 YEARS. YOU KNOW WHAT THE SIDE SLOPES ARE IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW THE PONDS.

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THAT'S SHOULD TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

I NEED YOUR HELP TO MAKE THE ENFORCEMENT TO START SOON.

>> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC GENERAL COMMENT.

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>> LET'S GO RIGHT INTO START WITH MR.BLOCKER.

>> OKAY. LISTEN, I DON'T WANT TO AM BUSH ANYBODY. PATRICK YOU SENT YOU AND HUNTER AN E-MAIL ABOUT THIS. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TOO LONG. THE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS. YOU HAVE SENIOR CITIZENS ROLLING DOWN THEIR DRIVEWAY GETTING INJURED.

I HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THIS SITUATION FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS AND IT'S CONSTANT CIRCLE OF TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MORE DIRECT I CAN BE ABOUT THIS.

WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE COUNTY'S ROLE IS.

I MADE COMMENTS HERE. IT'S IMPORTANT, I AM GOING TO SAY THIS TO THE BOARD. YOU KNOW WE AS POLICY HOLDERS HERE ARE DEALING WITH THIS ACROSS THE COUNTY.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT SOLUTIONS ARE.

THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED IN WIND CIRCLE.

YOU HAVE A SITUATION THAT WAS GETTING OUT OF HAND.

I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE PROGRESS.

WE HAVE GOT TO WITH US AS A BOARD, WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND NOW WE HAVE A NEW COUNTY ATTORNEY COMING IN.

WE NEED TO GET CONTROL OF THIS SITUATION.

I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT WAS STARTED 34 YEARS AGO.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE STUCK WITH DEALING WITH THIS.

WE HAVE RESIDENTS. I'M WORRIED SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO LEAVE IN AN EMERGENCY.

CAN YOU IMAGINE FIRE AND RESCUE TRYING TO COME IN AND RESCUE PEOPLE. WE NEED TO DIRECT STAFF TO IDENTIFY THE SOLUTIONS. I HAVE SPENT COUNTLESS MEETINGS ON THIS. IT'S EVIDENT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS HERE. I THINK THEY'RE COMPLIANCE ISSUES. IT'S A VERY COMPLEX PROBLEM.

WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF JUST IGNORING IT.

HUNTER AND PATRICK, I SENT Y'ALL E-MAILS ASKING FOR UPDATES.

PATRICK, I DID NOT GET THE UPDATES.

I WOULD LIKE TODAY FOR TODAY'S PURPOSE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE

WITH THIS SITUATION? >> WELL, IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN AND I KNOW YOU APPRECIATE THE CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THESE CONCERNS.

I HAVE PROVIDED SEVERAL UPDATES TO YOU BY E-MAIL.

FIRST, MY LETTER OF AUGUST 5TH HAD TWO TYING DEADLINES ON THEM.

ONE WAS TO HAVE A PLAN BY AUGUST 18TH FOR MARSH LANDING.

THEY COMPLIED WITH THAT. THE OTHER WAS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE OR BE IN COMPLIANCE BY NOVEMBER 5TH.

THEY SENT A STATUS REPORT AS OF NOVEMBER 4TH.

I IMMEDIATELY SHARED THAT WITH THE BOARD.

I CAN GO THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW. >> NO.

PATRICK. I THINK WE GOT THIS.

THE CONCERN WHERE WE CONTINUE TO HAVE CONCERNS FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO HAD ISSUES WITH THE UPDATES. CLEARLY THE RESIDENTS FEEL LIKE THESE PROBLEMS ARE NOT BE ADDRESSED.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LEGAL PROCESS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW HERE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN HERE MEETING AFTER MEETING TAKING SIX DAYS TO SOME AND ADDRESS THIS.

I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT WE TELL THEM AT THIS

POINT. >> RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, ON A SOLUTION ORIENTED PERSON.

MY SENSE AGAIN, AND I'M GOING TOWARD A SOLUTION HERE FOR YOU.

THIS IS A COMPLEX SITUATION THOUGH.

THERE ARE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX SEPARATE LAWSUITS PERTAINING TO MARSH LANDING AND RESIDENTS AND DRAINAGE.

AND I THINK HAS MR. HENSLEY WELL ARTICULATED TODAY, THERE'S AT LEAST TWO MAJOR CATEGORIES. ONE WHICH IS MAY SUBSTANTIAL PROJECT. THAT IS IN PART DUE TO THE COUNTY'S ACTION ON THIS. THE OTHER YOU HAD MENTIONED WHITTEN CIRCLE. I WAS ALSO THINKING OF COLLINS AVENUE. BOTH OF THOSE ARE COUNTY ROADS AND COUNTY DRAINAGE DITCHES. THE MARSH LANDING ARE NOT COUNTY BUT IN THE COUNTY. ONE THING I FOUND VERY HELPFUL ABOUT THE COLLINS AVENUE SITUATION.

IF THE BOARD MAY REMEMBER, YOU KNOW WE'RE TALKING HERE THERE'S LIKE PICTURES OF WATER ISSUES THAT KIND OF THING.

BUT WITH THE COLLINS AVENUE, I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO PUT UP FOR THE BOARD KIND OF A AERIAL, A BIG PICTUR AERIAL SHOWING HOW

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SIMILAR TO THE COLLINS AVENUE THING.

DO YOU HAVE THAT WHERE THERE WAS SORT OF THE AERIAL AND HOW THE WATER WAS FLOWING AND KIND OF PARTICULAR, I MEAN REALLY GOT DOWN TO, I THINK THE BOARD AND OBVIOUSLY THE COUNTY'S PROFESSIONAL STAFF CAN GO THROUGH OPTIONS AND PRIORITIZE.

REMEMBER THERE WAS A PRIORITY TYPE THING.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK COMMISSIONER MIGHT BE

HELPFUL. >> IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

YOU AND I WERE TOGETHER IN A MEETING AND SPENT TWO HOURS MEETING WITH MS. FISHER AND TALKED ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS. I THINK WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. MARSH LANDING HAS TO PICK A STANDARD. BECAUSE THE STANDARDS, YOU KNOW CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER AND NOW HAVE THE DIFFERENT BERMS AND EMBANKMENTS. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.

I'M A LAWYER. IT'S VERY COMPLEX.

THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT ANY OF US WERE HERE AT THE BEGINNING. WE'RE HERE TRYING TO FIX IT.

DO WE PICK A STANDARD TO FOLLOW BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE ISSUE. I THINK COLLINS AVENUE IS WIN CIRCLE IS COUNTY OWNED. DID THEY PICK A STANDARD? WE HAVE PICKED A STANDARD TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE?

>> WELL I THINK THEY HAVE TO MEET WHAT THE COUNTY CODE IS.

RIGHT FOR THE ITEMS THEY CONDUCT NEW CONSTRUCTION ON, NEW IMPROVEMENT ON, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE COUNTY CODE AND

STANDARD ON THAT. >> IS, EVERYONE BACK THERE I'M SURE IS HIDING. NO ONE WANTS TO COME UP.

I AM JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT.

WE HAVE ELDERLY LADIES COMING UP HERE.

FOR THE BOARD'S BENEFIT. DID WE NOT SIT IN A MEETING AND TALK ABOUT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS?

>> YES. DICK COMMISSIONER FOR GROWTH MANAGEMENT. YES WE DID DISCUSS THAT THE ORIGINAL MARSH LANDING WAS DESIGNED PERMITTED PRIOR TO ANY OF THE COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARDS TO EXISTED.

PARALLEL TO THAT IS THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WITH THEIR RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR THAT EXISTING PERMIT THAT FALLS UNDER THEIR JURISDICTION. THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO PERMITAL ACTUAL EARTH WORKS. IT'S ALL REQUIRED TO MEET ALL OF OUR CURRENT COUNTY STANDARDS WERE ALL THE DESIGN WORK THEY ARE SUBMITTING TO US AND ALL THE WORK NEEDS TO MEET OUR CURRENT

STANDARD >> THAT'S THE STANDARD WE HAVE BEEN APPLYING FOR THE ENTIRE TIME.

>> ALL THE NEW WORK THEY'RE PERMITTING THROUGH US, WE'RE

APPLYING CURRENT STANDARD. >> DOES THAT INCLUDE RAISING THE BERMS. EVERYTHING THAT IS NEW.

DO Y'ALL UNDERSTAND THAT? I AM JUST LIVID HE WOULD SAY THINGS. I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE LEAVING.

>> THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE. >> THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE.

>> TO YOU, I APOLOGIZE. TO HIM I WILL NOT.

THERE ARE 23 PONDS. HE IS TELLING YOU THEY ONLY TOUCHED SIX OF THEM. HE'S ONLY GOING TO FIX THE SIX OF THEM. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

THOSE ARE THE ONES THEY TOUCHED. THEY APPLIED FOR A PERMIT FOR THE WHOLE SYSTEM. I HAVE THE PERMIT WITH ME.

IT'S 23. THEY CHECKED THE BOX.

HE'S NOT MAKING THEM FIX THE BERMS AND MR. DEAN KNOWS HOW IMPORTANT THE SLOPES ARE FORIS CHILDREN.

HE IS ONLY MAKING THEM FIX THE SECTION THEY TOUCHED.

TELL THE CHILDREN TO DROWN ON THE OTHER THREE.

THE BERMS NEED TO BE THREE FOOT ALL THE WAY AROUND FOR THE NEW PERMIT. HE'S ONLY MAKING THEM TAKE DOWN THE ONES THEY TOUCHED. I JUST DON'T GET IT.

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I WANT TO STAY ON THE TOPIC BRIEFLY AND I WANT TO SHARE WITH EVERYONE INCLUDING THE RESIDENTS I CONTINUE TO TRY TO GET MY ARMS AROUND THE ISSUES. WHAT JURISDICTION THE COUNTY HAS. AND WHAT JURISDICTION THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAS. HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER.

I SPENT TIME ON THE PHONE MR. HENSLEY LAST FRIDAY MORNING WITH MIKE REGISTER. HE'S PUTTING A NEW SET OF EYES ON THIS. WHEN I TALKED WITH HIM, I WARNED HIM I WOULD BE CALLING HIM. HE WAS WELL VERSED ON MARSH LANDING. VERY WELL VERSED, THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND TOLD ME WHAT I MENTIONED MR. HENSLEY.

HE HAS CHOSEN TO GET AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY ENGINEERING CONSULTANT PROBABLY OUT OF ORLANDO SO THERE'S NO RELATIONSHIP WITH ST. JOHNS OR JACKSONVILLE AND COME UP WITH A CRITIQUE OF THE PENDING PERMIT. WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE THAT, YOU HAVE A VERY INTERESTED AND CONCERNED EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT WATER MANAGEMENT COMMITTED TO GET THIS PROBLEM SOLVED.

WHAT I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND MYSELF.

I'M KIND OF A VISUAL GUY. WHEN YOU HAVE TWO SEPARATE CIRCLES AND SORT OF OVER LAP. YOU HAVE WATER MANAGEMENT CIRCLE AND COUNTY CIRCLE AND SOMETIMES THERE'S JURISDICTIONAL THAT OVER LAPS. IF THE STAFF COULD PREPARE FOR US WHAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNTY AND WHAT GUIDELINES ARE ORDINANCES OR CODE ENFORCEMENT ORDINANCES ARE APPLYING, AND THEN WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITY IS, I'M SURE MIKE REGISTER WOULD BE HALF TO FURNISH YOU HIS CIRCLE OF WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS WITH MARSH LANDING FLOODING AND MAYBE THERE'S OVER LAP. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT BY NEXT WEEK IF POSSIBLE IF NOT SOONER.

ONE THING I ALWAYS LIKE TO DO IS START WITH LET'S ALL AGREE TO THE FACTS. MAYBE WE MADE DISAGREE ON OUR OPINION OR WHAT ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS THERE ARE.

LET'S ALL AGREE CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT.

MARSH LANDING AND THE FLOODING IMPACTS IT'S HAVING ON THESE RESIDENTS. THEN ASK THE DISTRICT TO SAY WHAT IS THEIR POSITION OR WHAT THEY'RE DOING ABOUT IT.

IF THERE'S ANY OVER LAP WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE WATER DISTRICT ON, WE CAN DO THAT. THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE SHOULD GO RIGHT NOW. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> DOES MAKE SENSE. CAN WE DO THAT, PAUL?

>> I MEANWHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT.

I DID HAVE PARTICIPATE, SOME OF THE PICTURE PRESENTED IS MARSH OVER FLOWING ON THE ROAD. THAT IS NOT THE PONDING ISSUE.

WE HAVE KING TIDES AND ALL THAT. IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT SYSTEM ISN'T BLOCKED. WE HAD TO DO THAT UP THERE FOR SALT GRASS OR THEY DID AND WE DID TOGETHER.

MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS OPEN AND GET, JUST GET SOMEWHERE IT SHOWS WHERE THE WATER FLOW IS. WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.

I ASKED IN THE BRIEFING. IF I CAN RESPOND TO THAT.

THE BOARD NEEDS TO BE AWARE THIS IS NOT THE COUNTY WATER SYSTEM.

WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE EXPERTS ON OUR STAFF AND IT WILL BE AT LEAST $100,000 FOR A CONSULTANT TO REVIEW THE WATER SYSTEM.

IS WON'T BE PROVIDED IN A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS.

IT WILL MAKE MONTHS OR MONTHS. I KNOW MR. HENSLEY AND RESIDENTS

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THAT'S WHERE THERE ARE SEVEN LAWSUITS.

WE CAN DO THAT COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

THE BOARD IS GOING TO NEED TO APPROVE,

>> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GETTING A CONSULTANT.

WE NEED TO KNOW WHICH WAY THE WATER FLOWS, IT'S GOING TO GO SOUTH. WHERE ALL THE CONNECTIVITY IS INSIDE OF MARSH LANDING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT

INFORMATION. >> SURE.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE AT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE STAFF IS EMPOWERED TO ADDRESS THIS.

IF WE NEED TO MAKE A POLICY DECISION AS A BOARD, WE NEED TO DO THAT. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS COMPLEX.

THIS IS WE AS POLICY, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP KICKING THE CAN.

>> IF WE MOVE DOWN THAT ROAD, I WILL FILE SUIT AGAINST THE HOA.

IF WE'RE STUCK HAVING TO FIX THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE THE RULES WERE NOT FOLLOWED. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THAT WHAT STAFF NEEDS OR DO YOU NEED TO COME

BACK TO US THIS IS WHAT WE NEED. >> THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ASSESSMENT OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THIS BOARD WILL HAVE TO DECIDE POLICY WISE AND YOU ADDRESSED IT COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

THIS IS NOT COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY. IT'S CONTAINED WITHIN ST. JOHNS.

WE'RE MOVING INTO AN ARENA. WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD. THE BOARD NEEDS TO MAKE THAT POLICY DECISION. WE ARE ASKING WE WANT COUNTY STAFF TO SOLVE A NON-COUNTY PROBLEM.

THERE'S A COUPLE COMPETING ISSUES.

THEY'RE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH ANY NEW PERMITTING.

MR. DE SOUSA IS ON TRACK WITH THAT AND PERMITTING FROM THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. THE FLOODING IS SOMETHING THAT PREDATING ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY'S CODE.

SO, THIS WAS DONE IN THE 60S AND 70S.

WE'RE HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER THE BOARD DIRECTS.

NO ISSUES IF YOU SAY THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD.

GIVE US AN ESTIMATE ON FIXING MARSH LANDING'S ISSUES.

IT WILL BE A HISTORICAL FIRST DOING THAT.

I WOULD GO TO COMMISSIONER DEAN POTENTIALLY UNDERSTANDING THE TWO CIRCLES AND HOW THEY OVER LAP BEFORE WE START MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU ALL BECAUSE IT WOULD BE NEGATIVE FOR ME TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF YEAH, PROVIDE MONEY FOR US TO GO ASSESS THE STORMWATER SYSTEM THAT IS THEIR PRIVATE SYSTEM.

>> THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MS. FISHER TO

CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING. >> JUST SO YOU DON'T RECREATE THE WHEEL. WE HAVE COUNTY PERMITS, MR. BLOCKER HAS BEEN IN A MEETING WITH US AND SEEN THE HUGE, WE HAVE HUGE PLANS AND PERMITS THAT WERE PUT THROUGH.

I WANT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

I'M GETTING FRUSTRATED FOR THE RESIDENTS HAVING TO KEEP COMING IN HERE. I DON'T ENJOY ANSWERING E-MAILS AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT FOR ANGRY RESIDENTS.

I RECOGNIZE THIS IS COUNTY WIDE. THERE'S ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SEE SOME OF THIS WAS NOT DONE CORRECTLY IN THE BEGINNING.

WE NEED TO EMPOWER YOU AND STAFF TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM.

SO GOING BACK TO, SO WE CAN MOVE ON IF YOU WANT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MY RECOMMENDATION IS, WE HAVE MADE COMMENTS HERE.

LET'S SEE IF STAFF CAN BRING BACK A RECOMMENDATION.

IF THAT INVOLVES FUNDING, WE CAN MAKE A CASE BY CASE ISSUE.

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CLEARLY IT'S NOT GETTING ADDRESSED.

>> I MEAN, I AM ALL FOR THAT. I THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS TO FILE COMMISSIONER BLOCKER'S RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE THE STAFF COME WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE SOONEST.

AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I DID HAVE OTHER COMMENTS THAT I

HAVE GO INTO. >> YEAH.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD FINISHED THE DECISION OF MARSH

LANDING BEFORE WE -- >> MR. CHAIR.

>> WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HUNTER

>> MR. CHAIR IF I MAY TO COMMISSIONER BLOCKER FOR CLARIFICATION. WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SO I UNDERSTAND WE BRING IT BACK SO WE DON'T DISAPPOINT OR CONTINUE TO WASTE MORE TIME. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A DRAINAGE SOLUTION THAT IS THE PRIMARY. WE'RE DEALING WITH THE PERMITTING AND WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

WHAT ARE SOLUTIONS FOR THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM.

I WANT TO BRING BACK THE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION.

>> LET ME MAKE SURE, I'M LOOKING FOR THE COUNTY'S CIRCLE.

SOME OF THIS IS THE WATER MANAGEMENT PROBLEM.

SOME OF THIS IS WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

I WANT TO SEE WHAT ROLE THE COUNTY CAN HELP IN IDENTIFYING SOME OF THE PROBLEMS OR WE CAN WHETHER IT'S A COMPLIANCE ISSUE AND IF THERE'S FUNDING THAT WE NEED TO ALLOCATE TO DO THE FULL ANALYSIS, I'M COMFORTABLE DOING THAT.

IT'S A PROBLEM AND WE HAVE SENIOR CITIZENS ROLLING DOWN THE DRIVEWAY GETTING INJURED. MY FEAR IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A KING TIDE AGAIN. WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET FIRE RESCUE IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW.

SOME OF THESE PICTURES ARE TROUBLING.

ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET SOMEONE OUT OF THERE? SOMEONE IS HAVING A HEART ATTACK OR INCIDENT.

WE DIDN'T CREATE THIS PROBLEM. DOES THAT

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> WE'RE GOOD THERE. SO OTHER COMMENTS?

>> JUST BRIEFLY. WE EXPERIENCED TWO WEEKENDS AGO, TREMENDOUS WITH THE NORTHEASTER AND THIS KING TIDE.

A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS EXPERIENCE DAMAGING CONDITION ON THE COAST LINE. THIS IS GOING TO ON GOING PROBLEM FOR US TO ADDRESS THIS. I THINK WITH SEA LEVEL RISE AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I WAS AT A DRILL THAT FRIDAY, SATURDAY THAT ONE OF MILITARY INSTALLATIONS WAS GETTING FLOODED. NOT A PROBLEM WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW THIS GOT HERE.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME, THERE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST SOME RESISTANCE TO ADDRESS THE COAST LINE EROSION.

I THINK WE'RE SEEING AND SAW BASED ON THE RESPECT THAT CAME IN. IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

TO SEE IF WE NEED TO ADD STAFF TO ADDRESS THIS.

THIS IS GOING TO NEXT FIVE, 10 YEARS WILL BE A BIGGER PROBLEM.

IN A LOT OF WAYS. THIS WILL IMPACT THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE. I'M TAKING A LOT OF TIME HIRE.

IT WAS BROUGHT UP, I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO LOOK AT OUR PROTOCOLS FOR NOTIFICATION. WE HAVE EXPANDED THE NUMBER OF DAYS AND DISTANCE. I ANT TO HEAR.

I THINK IT'S PERSONALITY FOR US TO DO THIS.

WE GET E-MAILS ALL DAY LONG WE TRY TO RESPOND TO.

WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE GO THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING WE TAKE GREAT EFFORT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE.

I THINK PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW. I THINK TO PROTECT THE COUNTY WE NEED TO LOOK AT GOING, I'M JUST SAYING THIS TO PRCHLT THE DISCUSSION. WE NEED TO CONTINUE LOOKING AT THAT. HEAR FROM PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, HEY I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS. WE NEED TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AND LOOK AT THE CHANGES WE MADE. ARE THEY ENOUGH? SPECIFICALLY THE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS OF PEOPLE IN THE

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EVERY ISSUE TIES IN WITH GROWTH AND LONG RANGE PLANNING.

I KNOW OUR FOCUS HAS BEEN ON COVID.

WE HAVE TO HAVE SERIOUS DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY.

WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO THIS. PRIOR TO 2025.

SO, I KNOW MR. CONRAD, I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING HARD ON THIS AND WE HAVE TO TRANSITION. WE HAVE TO GET THIS SCHEDULED AND GO FROM HERE. HAVE A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. : USC-JJSC1029

>> I GREW UP AROUND A LOT OF HORSE.

[BLEEP] SO I GET IT BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND MAYBE NOW IS THE TIME FOR A LOOK AT HOW WE ARE ADDRESSING THIS I CANNOT IMAGINE, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO RIDE THEIR HORSES THE BEACH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.

SO I AM EAGER TO SEE THE IMAGES SHOWN TO ME CONCERNING.

SO WE DON'T WANT ANY FIRE HAZARDS I THINK THE STATE LAW IS SPECIFIC AND WHEN THOSE TYPE OF YOU KNOW DEVICES CAN BE USED BUT I THINK SOME OF THE SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, AT LEAST UNDERSTAND SO WE CAN MAKE A DECISION. HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO OUR STAFF APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. HOPE EVERYONE HAD A GREAT VETERAN'S DAY CONGRATULATIONS MR. CHAIRMAN.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE, THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR THANK YOU ALL WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY THANKSGIVING IT WILL BE OUR LAST MEETING BEFORE THEN. SO MUCH TO BE THANKFUL FOR, SOMETIMES DO NOT SEE THAT. WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, ESPECIALLY THE WORKSHOP WHICH KIND OF BRINGS ME TO I PULLED SEVEN, EIGHT AND NINE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

WITH TRANSFER OF CREDITS A NEW STATE LAW HOWEVER, THE DEVELOPERS HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ST. JOHN'S COUNTY I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE LEGAL LOOK AT IT GO BACK AND LOOK, WE KNOW THEY HAVE SAID BEFORE US AND SAID WE ARE GOING TO PAY AN EXTRA ONE HALF MILLION FOR ROADWORK, GIVES THEM A CREDIT.

THEY ARE NOT TRANSFERRING THEM, THEY'RE SELLING THEM.

BASIC BUSINESS. WE NEED TO DECIDE HOW THE BOARD IS GOING TO DO IT YOU KNOW WE ARE GOING TO ÃTAKE IMPACT FEES AND BE DONE WITH IT A LOT OF STUFF FOR US TO WORK THROUGH.

I WOULD ASK STAFF TO TRY TO BRING US BACK, ON WHICH WAY IS BETTER BECAUSE WE MAY NOT APPARENTLY IF YOU GO TO ONE WAY WITH WHAT THE STATE IS IN, THE AGREEMENT IS WORTHLESS.

ON OUR SIDE WE CAN SAY IT IS WORTHLESS.

JUST LIKE THE CONTRACT WITH US ON ROADWORK, WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH WAY WE AS A BOARD WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.

BECAUSE I WILL GO BACK AND SEE IF THE THREE PROPOSED NOW SAY, WE WERE GOING TO DO EXTRA WORK. YOU KNOW SEE WHAT THE CALCULATIONS ARE. OTHER THAN THAT, THAT IS ALL I

HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR I HAVE A CONCERN RAISED.

ABOUT THE LIBRARY THAT HAS BEEN PLANNED AT THE VILLAGE AREA, TO ASK ON HIS BEHALF. NUMBER ONE, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR THAT? TWO, WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE LOCATED. WHAT IS THE PLAN THERE?

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>> YES, AS YOU SAW NUMBER 11 TODAY WAS PULLED, AGREEMENT FOR ADDITIONAL PROPERTY THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE CONSTRUCTION.

PROVIDE THE PARCEL TO PUT THE LIBRARY, WE DO HAVE OTHER PROPERTY WHICH HAS BEEN DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY WHEN THE COMMISSIONER WAS HERE AS WELL IT IS IN DISTRICT 2 ONE HALF A MILE AWAY FROM THE PARK SITE CURRENTLY WE DO NOT OWN THE LAND TODAY. SO CONSIDERING BRINGING BACK TO THE BOARD, IT WILL GO BACK TO THE BOARD, GO OUT FOR DESIGN.

I THINK THE IDEA LONG BEFORE I WAS HERE, TO PUT THEM ON THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE LAND WE CURRENTLY HOLD, FOR WHAT THE PARK AND THE LIBRARY IS DESIGNED THE IDEA IS TO PUT THE DESIGN AT THE BAY PARK SPACE IF YOU WILL ONE HALF MILE

DOWN THE ROAD. >> OKAY.

IN LIGHT OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD IS A BOARD, I FEEL LIKE MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE BEST TIME TO RAISE THIS, THOSE WHO HAVE COME UP AND GUESSED THAT OUR STAFF IS OVERWORKED AND UNDERSTAFFED, I MEAN YOU ARE CORRECT.

WE HAVE OPEN POSITION IN MANAGEMENT, PUBLIC WORKS MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN WE HAVE A TEAM OF PROFESSIONALS THAT DO CARE, I KNOW THAT THE COMMISSIONER HAD THE WISDOM TO GIVE YOU GUYS A NICE RAISE BUT I THINK MORE THAN JUST MONEY NOBODY WANTS TO WORK AT A PLACE WHERE THEY ARE CONSTANTLY GETTING KICKED IN THE TEETH. I THINK OUR CONSTITUENTS WANT US TO HOLD IT TO A HIGH STANDARD, DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY ON STAFF BUT THAT SAID, I THINK YOU'RE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB GIVING THE RESOURCES AND MANPOWER YOU WERE WORKING WITH, I THINK IN DEPARTMENTS SAME STAFF WE HAD WHEN THE COUNTY HAD 100,000 LESS PEOPLE. YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A JOB OF MEETING THOSE REQUESTS NOT TO SAY ANYTHING HAS BEEN PERFECT.

WE'RE GOING TO STRIVE TOWARDS PERFECTION BUT I THINK IT NEEDED TO BE SAID, THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB, YOU HAVE MY FULL CONFIDENCE. IN SERVICES YOU HAVE BEEN PROVIDING.ISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

>> I WAS REMISS IN NOT RECOGNIZING, I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE JASON OUR PARTNER WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. GOOD TO SEE YOU, DONE SO MUCH GOOD WORK FOR US. WITH OUR PARTNERS.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING OUR PARTNERSHIP WORKING WITH YOU AND THE COLONEL AND MIKE. WITH THAT I ALSO WANT TO GO BACK TO THE ORDINANCE FOR ONE MINUTE.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO PRODUCE SORT OF A PAPER OR PATH GOING FORWARD WITH THE BALLOON ORDINANCE WHERE ARE WE ON THAT?

>> IF I MAY TO REFRESH MAYBE THE BOARDS MEMORY, AND EMAIL AND MEMO ATTACHMENT, SENT FORWARDED TO STATE AND LOCAL REGULATIONS RELATED TO BALLOON RELEASES.

WHAT THE FLORIDA STATUTE IS, OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN THE AREA OF POTENTIAL ACTION. WITH ATTACHMENTS, WITH WHAT THE LAW IS, SO THAT INFORMATION IS OUT THERE, IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO GIVE DIRECTION ON YOU KNOW DRAFTING AN ORDINANCE FOR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY OF COURSE THAT CAN BE DONE AT THIS MEETING OR ANY OTHER MEETING. IF IT WERE TO BE DONE, WE WOULD BRING BACK A DRAFT. THANK YOU.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY LET'S GO AHEAD AND SEE IF WE CANNOT GET DRAFTS TOGETHER AND GO FROM THERE SOME EXAMPLES, THE CITY

OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH. >> THE.

>> THAT IS SOMETHING THE BOARD CAN CONSIDER.

WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. THE BIGGEST THING IS WE DON'T WANT TO KID AT A BIRTHDAY PARTY THAT RELEASES A BALLOON TO GET

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LOOK AT SOME DRAFTS. >> ONE THING ALSO I MIGHT WANT TO COMMENT, IN THE MOST RECENT SESSION FOR REGULATORY ORDINANCES, I THINK THE NEW STATUTE.

NEVER MIND SO I THINK MAYBE THERE IS A BILL IN PROCESS ABOUT THAT THAT IS NOT EFFECTIVE YET.

IF THERE IS CONSENSUS ON THE BOARD WE WILL DRAFT AN

ORDINANCE AND BRING IT BACK. >> HE MAY WANT TO WEIGH IN.

>> MAY BE A BIT OF AN OPPOSING THOUGHT.

I THINK RELEASING BALLOONS IS TERRIBLE FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT, I GET IT. THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH THE SHERIFF LET ME TO BELIEVE IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE, A FAMILY WITH TEARS IN THEIR EYES MORNING THE LOSS OF A LOVED ONE, WALK UP AND WRITE THEM A TICKET.

SO PERHAPS OUT OF CONTEXT MAYBE NOT THE SPIRIT, I WANT THAT TO BE CONSIDERED AS WE ARE CONTEMPLATING AN ORDINANCE.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT IN A BAD SITUATION WITH THE PUBLIC, PENALIZE PEOPLE IN THE GRIEVING PROCESS.

SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER. I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA.

>> BEFORE I CALL ON LEGAL LET ME SHARE MY THOUGHTS IF I MADE.

THIS HAS COME UP ON THE PAST AND SEVERAL ORDINANCES I HAVE ATTEMPTED TO PASS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

THE SAME ISSUE WAS RAISED ABOUT INABILITY TO ENFORCE, MY THEORY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS THAT I THINK ABOUT ALMOST 90 PERCENT OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE LAW-ABIDING CONCERNED CITIZENS WHO DO CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.

PROBABLY COMPLY IF THEY KNEW THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE SO I DO NOT GET SO WORKED UP OVER THE TOOTHLESS TIGER, INABILITY TO ENFORCE. I THINK THAT WE HAVE THE SPEEDERS, I TRY TO COMPLY. I HAVE A HEAVY FOOT BUT I STILL TRY TO COMPLY WHEN I THINK I SEE A COP.

I THINK WE CAN GO FORWARD WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS WE ASK THE STAFF TO PREPARE A DRAFT ORDINANCE IF THAT IS OKAY

BY YOU. >> THERE IS CONSENSUS FOR US.

THANK YOU. >> OKAY I THINK THAT COMPLETES MY SHORT LIST. WILL SAY THIS, FOR THOSE WHO WERE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND LAST THURSDAY'S VETERANS CEREMONY AT THE BAPTIST CHURCH, ATTENDED BY PROBABLY OVER 800 PEOPLE I THINK, I GUESS HARDLY A DRY EYE IN THE CROWD AFTER IT WAS OVER PBECAUSE IT WAS A VERY MOVING. IT CERTAINLY TOUCHED ME DEEPLY.

TO HEAR FROM A FORMER POW, 5.5 YEARS, PROTECTING US, HE WASN'T

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HELICOPTER WENT DOWN, HE GOT CAPTURED.

AMAZING SOME OF THE STORIES THAT COME OUT OF OUR BATTLES AND THE WARRIORS WHO HAVE SERVED RIGHT UP UNTIL ONGOING NOW. IT WAS VERY TOUCHING.

MOVED TO ME A LOT SO WITH THAT SAID, WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING NEXT WEEK. NOW GO TO THE ADMINISTRATOR'S

COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. NUMBER OF THINGS FOR YOU THIS MORNING. REQUIRE ACTION MS. TAYLOR, ABLE TO REVIEW THAT EMAIL. ON THE FOOD LIBRARY PROGRAM WHICH HAS BEEN DONE THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. AT THE BOARD'S APPROVAL FOR EVERY FOOD ITEM DONATED ONE DOLLAR REMOVED FROM THE LIBRARY OVERDUE FINES, REQUEST APPROVAL FROM THE SPORT IF YOU SO CHOOSE

REQUIRE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> SECOND.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT. >> NEED A VOTE.

>> OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON FOODS FOR FINES.

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PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. >> OBVIOUSLY CONCERNS, ALSO DISCUSS IT WITH EACH OF YOU PRIVATELY, A CHANCE TO BRING UP PUBLICLY, GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP LOOKING AT 24 JANUARY.

AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, COMING ON BOARD, A NUMBER OF THINGS WITH THE HOLIDAYS. I HAVE CONCERNS.

IN ADDITION TO THAT SEND OUT AGENDA AHEAD OF TIME, I WANT YOU ALL TO BE AWARE. FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, THE DRAFT AGENDA WILL BE LOOKING AT TRANSPORTATION PLANNING INCLUDE FUTURE ROADWAY PLANS AND TIMING, IMPACT FEES OTHER FEES, DISCUSS THE BIGGER PICTURE. THE THIRD ITEM OF DISCUSSION, REVIEW OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.

WHAT ARE THE STEPS SO EVERYBODY IS TRACKING AND WHERE THERE IS A PROCESS THAT TAKES PLACE. IN THE WORKSHOP.

THREE OR FOUR HOUR WORKSHOP ONLY SO MUCH THAT CAN BE DONE.

I WANTED YOU TO HAVE AN UPDATE FOR ANYBODY LISTENING.

TRYING TO FIND A TIME TO GET IT DONE SOONER THAN LATER.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> I BELIEVE MS. CROSBY MENTIONED THE BOARD HAD DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK AT THE HORSE ISSUE ON THE BEACH ANOTHER ISSUE THAT HAS NOT BEEN DROPPED. PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR IS MEETING ON THE 29TH, ALSO MEET WITH THE OPPOSING SIDE TO REVIEW THE BEACH CODE TO MEET WITH EACH SIDE, INDIVIDUALLY TO HEAR THEIR CONCERNS BEFORE THEY ARE BROUGHT INTO A ROOM, BEFORE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CONFLICT.

THE STAFF GOES INTO THE ROOM, MAKE ANY POTENTIAL BEACH CODE REVISIONS. THAT WILL BE COMING PROBABLY THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE YEAR. NOT IN RESPONSE TO TODAY'S MEETING NOVEMBER 29. A WORKSHOP CONDUCTED.

STAFF HASN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT WE ARE TRACKING IT.

FINISH UP THE REQUEST OF THIS BOARD.

THE FINAL THING THIS MORNING, MR. JIM TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT NOR'EASTER. THE PURPOSE IS FOR YOU TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO GET AN OVERVIEW, A POWERPOINT READY TO PRESENT TO YOU. ALREADY SENT OUT BEFORE, NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE DECISIONS ANYWAY.

DIFFER TO MR. JIM TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE NOR'EASTER

FROM LAST WEEKEND. >> TALKING ABOUT THE NOR'EASTER WE HAD THE OTHER DAY, UPDATE. KIND OF A BUSY SLIDE, THE GRAPH OF WHAT THE ACTUAL WEATHER EVENT LOOKED LIKE.

ABOUT 1.6 FEET ABOVE HIGHER WATER, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

THE WINDS PERSPECTIVE WE HAD JUST SHY OF TROPICAL STORM TYPE WINDS AT LEAST ALONG THE BEACH, 49 MILES PER HOUR, RAIN BETWEEN FOUR ALMOST 6 INCHES OF RAIN WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME.

WATER COME THROUGH DURING THAT NOR'EASTER.

DURING THAT EVENT. SO WHAT WE HAVE HAD, OBVIOUSLY SEVERAL STREETS FLOODED A LIST OF SOME OF THE AREAS FLOODED.

AS WELL AS DOWN NEAR THE CRESCENT BEACH AREA.

OVER WASH FROM THE SIDE. SO SOME OF THE DAMAGES THAT WE DID SEE, SEVERAL HOMES THAT REPORTED SOME DAMAGE ESPECIALLY ALONG THE COAST, THERE SEAWALLS FAILED SOME DAMAGE TO THEIR HOMES. SOME OTHER PARKS HAD SOME DAMAGE. MINOR DAMAGE.

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A BOAT RAMP WE HAD THE PICTURE. CAME LOOSE, GO BACK AND REATTACH IT, SOME DAMAGE THERE. BEACH ACCESS ALONG THE BEACH THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE, A LOT OF EROSION.

IMAGINE IT WAS IMPACTED.O THROUGH EACH AREA AS WE LOOK AT IT SO YOU CAN SEE SOME PICTURES.

OUT THEY WERE IMPACTED. FIRST INTO THE PICTURE, BASICALLY THE EROSION IS UNDERMINING THE PAVILION AND THE WALKOVER, ANOTHER AREA THAT IS A WALKOVER.

WE WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO SEE WHAT THE COST WAS, BETWEEN 85 AND 110,000, A BETTER NUMBER THIS MORNING.

$120,000 TO REPAIR OR PROTECT THE WALKOVER AND PAVILION BASICALLY BY PROVIDING SAND AND CARPENTRY.

TAKING THE LEAD ON THAT, $120,000.

A PICTURE I WAS TALKING ABOUT, REPAIR THIS.

THIS IS THE STORM. SO GOING DOWN THROUGH THE BEACH, USE THE BEACH FROM THE MANAGEMENT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

IN THE SECTIONS, BASICALLY AS WE TALKED BEFORE MONUMENT ONE THROUGH 16 FIRST THREE MILES THEY ACTUALLY FARED PRETTY WELL. SOME EROSION BUT OVERALL THEY WERE PRETTY WELL FARED. 16 THROUGH, A VARIOUSLY VACANT AMOUNT OF SAND LOSS, LOOKING AT AN AREA OF 30 FEET OF LAND FROM THE WATER TO THE DUNE, 10 OR 12 FOOT WHERE THE DUNE FACES.

SO THETOP RATE PICTURE. THAT PIECE OF WOOD, WHERE THE DUNE USED TO GO TO. NOT STARTED, WHO HAVE STARTED THE PROJECT BUT NO SAND HAS BEEN PLACED YET.

FROM THE NEW PROJECT WE ARE DOING.

IN THE FUTURE THAT ONE TIME PLAN, COMING IN THE FUTURE I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE PLANNEDFOR

RIGHT NOW UP IN THAT AREA. >> JUST A SECOND.

SORT OF SHARE WITH MY COMMISSIONERS THIS INFORMATION IS EVIDENCE I THINK THAT WE MADE A GOOD DECISION ON SEPARATING THE MARKER ONE THROUGH 16.

THIS CONFIRMS THE REPORT, MORE DAMAGE WAS SOUTH OF 16.

JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. BOTH ON THE AGENDA TODAY.

CONFIRMS IT. >> YES, SIR.

THIS IS SOUTH OF THE PRESERVE, WE ALSO HAD SIGNIFICANT SAND LOSS THERE, THE BEACH HAS NARROWED AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE BEACH MOVES UP AND DOWN LEFT AND RIGHT, SOME NARROWING OF THE BEACH HOWEVER THIS IS WHERE THE PROJECT IS ONGOING RIGHT NOW. WE ARE STILL ON TRACK FOR HAVING THAT AREA COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, GOOD NEWS FOR THAT SIDE OF IT HOWEVER AS YOU GO SOUTH FROM WHERE IT IS, THE ONE-TIME DUNE PROJECT.

THE PROJECT CURRENTLY IN BID FOR, COMING BACK NEXT MONTH TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS. THAT HAS SAND LOSS, A LOT OF SEAWALLS IN THE BOTTOM PICTURE. WATER BASICALLY HITTING THE SEAWALLS GOOD RIGHT NOW AND ESTIMATE OF 20 CUBIC YARD BEACH PROJECT. INTERNAL UPDATES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LONG-TERM ABILITY FOR THE SAND TO STAY THERE, ONCE WE PLACE THE SAND. WHEN WE COME BACK IF WE PLACE THE SAND, WHAT IS THAT LONGEVITY IN THAT AREA.

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ALSO SEEING 10 OR 15 IN THAT AREA.

IN ALL OF THE PUBLIC ACCESS POINTS, IMPACTED.

SO PARKS AND REC'S PLACING SIGNS IN ALL OF THE ACCESS POINTS FOR PEOPLE TO BE CAREFUL TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE DO NOT FALL OFF HOWEVER THERE IS THOSE IN THOSE AREAS.ORKING WITH ARMY CORPS, ACTUALLY ONE MEMBER IN THE AUDIENCE THE ARMY CORPS STAFF OUT AT THE BEACH TODAY.

LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR AREA ALSO ANOTHER AREA OF THE SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH TO SEE WHAT WE COULD BE PARTNERING WITH THE ARMY CORE SUBMITTING A LETTER FOR REHABILITATION.

TRYING TO FIND ANY OPTION WE CAN SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE, THE BOERS OPTIONS TO EITHER STABILIZE, REPAIR OR WHATEVER THAT STEP IS TO WORKING TOWARDS THAT RIGHT NOW.

LITERALLY DRIVING UP AND DOWN THE BEACH LOOKING AT THESE AREAS. THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE END OF THAT BREAK WHILE A PROJECT GOING ON, WAITING FOR THE FINAL EASEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD. BASICALLY NOT HAPPEN.

I WANTED TO SHOW THAT THE STREETS WERE FLOODED.

I ACTUALLY TOOK THIS PICTURE, DID NOT SEE ANYTHING IN THE HOUSES PRETTY CLOSE TO THE HOUSES WHEN I WAS THERE THAT WAS TAKEN SATURDAY MORNING. ABOUT ONE HOUR AFTER THE HIGH TIDE SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH, THE PIER, EMBASSY SUITES, EROSION AS YOU CAN SEE THE WATER IS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROCKS.

A LOT OF THE BEACH. WORKING WITH THE ARMY CORPS, LONG-TERM, SCHEDULED FOR 23, WORKING ON IT FOR 22.

AGAIN, THE AREA WE ALSO HAVE THE CORE LOOKING AT.

TO SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE IN THAT AREA.

BUT AGAIN IT IS SCHEDULED IN 23.

AS YOU GO SOUTH, BUTLER BEACH HAD DAMAGE THAT WE SAW, WE SAW SOME AREAS WHERE IT WAS ESCARPMENT, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE CRESCENT BEACH, THE FEMA PROJECT WE COMPLETED.

WE COMPLETED THIS A WEEK OR TWO BEFORE THE NOR'EASTER.

IT HELD UP REALLY WELL. LAST FIVE OR 10 PERCENT OF IT, REALLY THE RIGHT PICTURE. IT DOESN'T DO IT JUSTICE.

NOT JUST THE WIDTH, THE HEIGHT OF IT IS PRETTY HIGH UP SO WHEN THE STORM CAME IN IT DID ITS JOB, AND STOP THE EROSION NEAR THE HOUSES, AND STOPPED AT THE DUNE THAT IS THERE.

AT THE TIME, SURVIVING BUT TIME WILL TELL.

SO IT HELD UP VERY WELL. SUMMER HAVEN, AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN CHALLENGING FOR THE COUNTY FOR MANY YEARS CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE HAD SEVERAL PROJECTS DOWN THERE.

THE DUNE WAS COMPLETED TO PROTECT THE POTENTIAL FUTURE ROAD TO THE NORTH OF WHERE THE ROAD IS, THE FIVE HOUSES, TO THE WATERWAY. ALSO TOOK THE BEATING, ALSO HAD AREAS THAT WERE OVER WASH. THE ONLY THING THAT HELPED, IT IS MORE WESTWARD BECAUSE THERE IS NO HOUSES THERE.

CURRENTLY THERE IS A BREACH, THE BREACH IS FAIR, IT IS MOVING WATER PRETTY GOOD THROUGH THEIR WORKING WITH OTHER AGENCIES TO FIND OUT OPTIONS BUT WE ARE NOT COMING UP WITH ANY GOOD ANSWERS TO PROVIDE FUNDING OR OPTIONS FOR

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REALIZING ONLY ONE ESTIMATE TRY TO FIND OTHER ESTIMATES TO HAVE THE BOARD HAVE A COMPARISON. WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE $1.1 MILLION FOR CONTRACTOR TO DREDGE THE BREACH, WHERE THE SAND IS OVER WASHING THEN BUILD THAT BACKUP BETWEEN THE SOUTHERN HOUSES AND THE HOUSES TO THE NORTH WITH THE BREACH IS ACTIVELY GOING ON. SO THAT IS MY REPORT OVERALL OF THE NOR'EASTER. I AM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> GO BACK TO CORPORATE! EALLY QUICK.

>> YES, SIR. >> WHEN YOU SAY WAITING FOR FINAL EASEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD, SOME OFF-LINE DISCUSSIONS WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND OUR COUNTY ENGINEER, UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE HAD THE EASEMENT, WE HAD A CONTRACT GO FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION. THAT WE HAD DETERMINED A SECOND ONE IS UNNECESSARY. LEFT ME PUZZLED.

>>. >> YES, SIR AN EASEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THE SEAWALL.

>> TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST WALL, I THOUGHT WE HAD IT.

>> A CONNECTION PIECE THAT NEEDS TO BE CONNECTED.

THAT IS THE PEACE I AM TALKING ABOUT.

>> CAN YOU GIVE ME A QUICK HEAD'S UP.

>> YEAH WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT A PROJECT OFF CORPORATE! DRIVE. ALREADY FOUND ONE OUTFALL, AND IN THE PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTING THAT OUTFALL LOCATION, A POTENTIAL FOR AN OUTFALL BUT PROPERTY OWNERS NOT BEEN WILLING TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THE COUNTY.

>> WAITNG FOR FINAL EASEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> THAT IS A SEPARATE PROJECT. >> THAT IS MY QUESTION OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> MAKE SURE WE ARE ON TRACK

WITH OUR CORPORATE! >> PREVIOUS STORMS, THE OCEAN HAS COME THROUGH BETWEEN THE ARMY CORE SAND TRAP GROWING, LAST HOUSE ON CORPORATE! DRIVE WHICH HAS A SEAWALL.

TO PLACE A SEAWALL IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO STRUCTURES, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN EASEMENT TO HAVE OUR WALL TOUCH THEIR WALL, DIFFICULT TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THOSE OWNERS, INDIAN HOTEL COMPANY. WE THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE

IT WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

>> GO BACK TO THE PICTURE OF SUMMER HAVEN.

>> ALSO AN ESTIMATE ON WHAT IT IS TO FILL IT, ESTIMATE ABOUT WE THINK THE FAIR MARKET VALUE IS.

ON THE BOARD FIVE YEARS, FAILED TO BREACH THEIR FOUR TIMES IN FIVE YEARS. SAD TO SAY, BEGINNING TO BE A BIG BURDEN ON TAXPAYERS FOR A LITTLE AREA.

THE BREACH IS HAPPENING I THINK, THAT AREA.

I MEAN AT THIS TIME TO START THAT PROCESS AND LOOK AT IT.

>> YES, SIR. >> BASICALLY SAID THE SAME THING SEVERAL TIMES, I HAVE WORKED WITH BEACHES ALL OVER THE STATE GOING BACK 40 YEARS. THE MOST VOLATILE STRETCH OF BEACH I'VE SEEN IN THE ENTIRE STATE.

WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER A BUYOUT, IT IS NOT GOING TO EVER

STABILIZE. >> I AGREE.

THE OCEAN HAS TAKEN THIS LAND BACK.

WE SPENT MILLIONS AT THIS POINT, DO NOT SEE THAT.

UNFORTUNATE FOR THE RESIDENTS, IT IS HISTORIC AREA.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> MR. CHAIR.

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>> MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT. >> VERY BRIEFLY.

>> TURNED IT ON, SOMEBODY. >> I WANT TO MENTION 1/4 MILE NORTH OF THE BEACH, VERY SERIOUS EROSION CAUSED TWO OR ALL THREE LAYERS OF THE TUBES EXPOSED.

SO BACK TO WHERE WE WERE WHICH IS WELL WHAT HAPPENS WITH THESE WALKOVER'S MAKE THE TUBES ACCESSIBLE BY BEACHGOERS.

THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU JUMP DOWN, YOU LAND ON A TUBE, IT IS LIKE CEMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THE FEMA DUNE HASN'T SHOWN UP YET, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

>> THANK YOU. >> I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY

MORE QUESTIONS. >> TO CONSOLIDATE THE BOARD'S THOUGHTS, DIRECTION TO GET WITH STAFF AND OUR PARTNERS, LOOK AT A RETREAT FOR THAT STRETCH OF SUMMER HAVEN.> THAT IS MY

UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONSENSUS. >> THANK YOU.

>> ONE MORE COMMENT. WITH THE PICTURE OF THE PARK AREA, A COST 120,000 TO REPAIR THAT, LOOKING FOR A DIRECTION OF THE BOARD, GO AHEAD AND TRY TO FIX THAT AREA.

COST $120,000. >> WOULD YOU PULL THAT SLIDE UP

AGAIN, PLEASE. >> LET ME GET THE BETTER

PICTURE. >> THE TOP PICTURE IS THE PAVILION OF WALKOVER WITH THAT, THE STAIRS GOING OUT INTO THE BEACH, THAT HAS ALL BEEN DESTROYED.

>> IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT, WE NEED TO RELAX THE RULES,

SPECIFICALLY. >> THERE IS A NEW POLICY ABOUT IT THERE IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN $5000 EXPENDITURE.

>> EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO RELAX THOSE RULES TEMPORARILY. WHATEVER THE LANGUAGE IS.

>> INTEREST IN ADDRESSING THIS TODAY.

>> WHICH THERE IS I THINK THIS IS YOU KNOW HAS BECOME A SAFETY

ISSUE. >> PARKS AND REC HAS COME TO US

ON THAT. >> I APOLOGIZE.

WE DO NOT GET THE BANDS UNTIL THIS MORNING.

>> THE BOARD HAS A RULE, 4.304 APPROVAL OF FUNDING FOR ANY MATTER, REGULAR AGENDA CONSENT. LIMITED TO $5000 OR LESS.

THAT WOULD BE THE RULE THROUGH THE CHAIR.

IF YOU WANTED TO DO A MOTION TO SUSPEND RULE RULE 4.304.

>> 4.304. >> SO A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THAT RULE SPECIFICALLY.

TO THE RECORD. >> SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

>> THAT RULE IS SUSPENDED. >> YES, SIR.>> GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU READ A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER OF 120,000 FROM THE RESERVE TO COMPLETE REPAIRS TO THE PARK WALKOVER AND PAVILION.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION IN A SECOND.

PUBLIC COMMENT TO PROVE THE REPAIR OF THE WALKOVER ON THE

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>> THE PART I DO NOT UNDERSTAND, FIX THIS AND THEN HAVE HUNTER TELL YOU HE CANNOT HELP US, I DO NOT GET THAT.

MAYBE YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO ME, TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAT IS ALL

I WANT TO KNOW. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?

PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. >> NO MORE COMMENTS WE CAN

PLEASE VOTE. >> I AM VOTING YES.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.>> MOTION TO REINSTATE THE RULE.

>> MAKE A MOTION TO REINSTATE THE RULE.

>> SECOND. >> OF MOTION AND A SECOND

PLEASE VOTE. >> CAN SOMEONE TAKE A MACHINE?

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>> ASKING FOR A VOICE VOTE. >> I.

>> I. >> THAT PASSES BE OKAY.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE THE DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM? ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> SO MR. CHAIR, LISTENING TO PUBLIC COMMENT EARLIER, IS IT

WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY. >> THURSDAY.

>> SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE BEEN WITH THE COUNTY LONG ENOUGH, MAYBE THREE OUT OF FOUR TWO KNOW IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES AFTER A COASTAL STORM, THE COUNTY HAS THE ABILITY TO RECOGNIZE THE COASTAL STORM AND WORK WITH DEP TO ALLOW PROPERTY OWNERS TO DO SOME TEMPORARY PROTECTION OF THEIR PROPERTY PARTICULARLY IF THERE IS A STRUCTURE THAT IS VULNERABLE TO COLLAPSE. THE COUNTY HAS DONE THAT THROUGH EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION. DOES NOT NEED TO DO IT BY EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION THE STATUTE REALLY PROVIDES THAT THE COUNTY RECOGNIZE THE COASTAL STORM EVENT.

I THINK FROM THE DESCRIPTION, EVIDENCE CERTAINLY WAS THAT.

DO NOT KNOW IF HE IS REQUESTING SOMETHING, IF THERE ARE STRUCTURES YOU KNOW HOMES IN DANGER BUT IF SO, THE COUNTY COULD RECOGNIZE THAT COASTAL STORM EVENT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE TEMPORARY COASTAL ARMORING PROVIDED BY THE STATUTE.

I WANTED TO FLOAT THAT OUT THERE, THE BOARD COULD PROACTIVELY DO THAT, OR IT COULD AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO RECOGNIZE THE STORM EVENT, SHOULD IT BE NECESSARY. YOU KNOW TO PROCESS AN APPLICATION FOR ONE OF THESE TEMPORARY STRUCTURES, JUST

WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. >> GOING TO BE TWO WEEKS BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING. SO I THINK SOME OBSERVATION UP AND DOWN THE COAST, AND HE HOMES, STRUCTURES THAT ARE VULNERABLE TO COLLAPSE BECAUSE OF THE STORM?

>> YES SEVERAL SEA WALLS DAMAGED AND FAILING, TWO HOMES, DAMAGED BECAUSE OF THE DAMAGED SEAWALL.

>> RIGHT. AGAIN, I THINK THE BOARD COULD DO EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION. I HAVE ONE FROM 2020.

PROBABLY MORE SIMPLY, AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, AUTHORIZE THE

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STRUCTURE. >> THANK YOU.

RECOMMEND THAT, MAYBE DIRECT TO DO THAT.

WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP THE RESIDENTS THERE.

I DO NOT KNOW THE FULL EXTENT BE SOMETHING WE CAN DO, THROUGH OUR AUTHORITY TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM.

>> CAN I ASK YOU? >> YES, SIR.

MAKE A MOTION, DIRECTED TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

>> AND, AGAIN, WHAT WERE THE DATES OF THAT STORM I THINK WE

ALL EXPERIENCED AND. >> THE SEVENTH THROUGH THE EIGHTH, SEVENTH THROUGH THE NIGHT.

>> I THINK THE STATUTE GIVES A 60 DAY WINDOW.

A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE ADMINISTRATOR TO RECOGNIZE US IF YOU CAN'T COASTAL STORM UNDER STATUTE 161.0852 AUTHORIZE COUNTY STAFF TO FACILITATE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE A THREAT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES DUE TO

THAT STORM. >> THE DATES, AFFECTS BETWEEN THE FIFTH AND THE NINTH, THE NINTH.

>> RIGHT. >> YES THAT IS MY MOTION.

>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> UNDERSTAND THIS TO MEAN IT COULD BE LIKE STUFF LIKE THIS, TALKING ABOUT REINFORCEMENT. THIS ISN'T WORKING.

COULD THIS BE TURNED ON? JUST WANT TO POINT OUT A LOT OF PROBLEM WITH THESE TRAP BAG IS NOT REMOVED BUT SURELY, A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THE DEBRIS IN OUR PART OF THE BEACH TALK ABOUT

THIS KIND EVERY REINFORCEMENT. >> DAMAGE TO SEVERAL HOMES.

DIFFERENT ISSUE.>> WHAT IS THE SAFEGUARD? BECAUSE BETWEEN THE TUBES, THE TRAP BAG'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS.

>> THE OES THE COUNTY IS SEEN IN THE PAST TEMPORARY SEA

WALLS. >> TEMPORARY SEA WALLS.