Oct 05, 2021 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order by Chair]

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>> GOOD MORNING. AND WELCOME TO THIS OCTOBER 5 BOARD MEETING OF THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONER.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLL.

HAVE REVEREND ALISHA COME APPEAR FOR THE INVITATION.

GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

LET'S PRAY. HEAVENLY FATHER, CREATOR AND INSPIRATION OF ALL THINGS. WE ASK THAT TODAY YOU GUIDE THE AFFAIRS OF THIS COUNTY IN A TIME OF GREAT CHANGE WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE THE COUNTY LEADERS THE WISDOM TO DO ALL THAT IS RIGHT AND HONORABLE BEFORE YOU AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS GREAT COUNTY. THAT ST. JOHN'S WOULD CONTINUE TO BE A BASTION OF HOPE. WE ASK THAT OUR YOUNG ONES WILL BE CONTINUED TO BE BLESSED BY THE BOUNTIES OF LIFE AFFORDED IN THIS COMMUNITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

THAT THE SACRED TRADITIONS AND HISTORIC LEGACY OF THIS COMMUNITY WILL BE HONORED AND KEPT FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

AND FOR GENERATIONS TO LEARN FROM.

THAT WE WOULD SEEK TO HONOR YOUR WORD AS IT SAYS TO SEEK JUSTICE, LOVE MERCY, AND WALK HUMBLY BEFORE EACH OTHER AND BEFORE YOU. I ASK THIS IN THE NAME OF YOUR PRECIOUS -- OF OUR PRECIOUS LORD, AMEN.

>> THANK YOU, PASTOR. THIS TIME WE WILL ASK MR. HARRY MANFORD TO COME FORWARD. A FORMER SERGEANT IN THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS TO DO THE PLEDGE.

>> GOOD MORNING. PLEASE REPEAT AFTER ME: I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> (INAUDIBLE).

I WAS WITH THE FIRST BATTALION NINTH MARINES.I'M PLEASED TO

[Proclamation Recognizing October 2021 as Domestic Violence Awareness Month]

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.ND THANK YOU TO THE ST. JOHN'S VETERANS COUNCIL FOR COMING HERE AND SUPPORTING US TODAY.HANK YOU.

SO WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR PROCLAMATION.

THE FIRST PROCLAMATION IS TO RECOGNIZE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, IF YOU DO THE HONORS? THANK YOU, SIR.

>> AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE KELLY FRANKLIN AND THE ASSOCIATES THAT ARE WITH HER, THE BETTY GRIFFITH CENTER AND JIM'S ADVOCATES TO THE FLOOR, PLEASE.

THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. UNFORTUNATELY DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS A REALITY FOR SOME OF OUR FAMILIES.

IT CAN TEAR FAMILIES APART, LEAVE EMOTIONAL SCARS AND RESULTS ANALYZE OF LIFE. THAT'S WHY THE WORK DONE BY KELLY FRANKLIN AND THOSE WHO WORK AT THE BETTY GRIFFITH CENTER IS SO VITAL TO OUR COMMUNITY.

AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MS. LINDQUIST TO READ THE

POPULATION INTO THE RECORD. >> PROCLAMATION WHEREAS

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JOHNS COUNTY. THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD. WITH IMPLICATIONS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND COMMUNITY HEALTH AND SAFETY.

AND WHEREAS ALL PERSONS HAVE A BASIC RIGHT TO FEEL SAFE, ESPECIALLY IN THEIR HOMES, YET MORE THAN 850 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RELATED LAW ENFORCEMENT REPORTS WERE FILED.

AND TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RELATED HOMICIDES HAPPENED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY LESTER.ND WHERE IS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AFFECTS PEOPLE OF ALL AGES, RACIAL AND SOCIOECONOMIC, EDUCATIONAL, RELIGIOUS AND OCCUPATIONAL SEGMENTS OF OUR SOCIETY.SPECIALLY CHILDREN. AND WHEREAS CHILDREN FROM VIOLENT HOMES ARE SERIOUSLY ABUSED AND NEGLECTED AT A RATE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.

HAVE A GREATER RISK OF DRUG, ALCOHOL ABUSE.

COGNITIVE AND DEVELOP MENTAL PROBLEMS, AS WELL AS FEAR, ANXIETY AND GUILT. AND WHERE PUBLIC AWARENESS AND EDUCATION ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS NEEDED AS WELL AS UNIFORMED EFFORTS ON PART OF GOVERNMENT, HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, EDUCATORS AND COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS TO ADDRESS MESSING VIOLENCE THROUGH PREVENTION AND INTERVENTIONS AND TREATMENT FOR VICTIMS AND PERPETRATORS. IT PROCLAIMED THAT OCTOBER 20, 21 DESIGNATED AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH.

AND JOIN WITH OTHERS ACROSS THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE UNITED STATES IN SUPPORTING VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

WITH LOCAL PROGRAMS, STATE COALITIONS AND INDIVIDUAL VOLUNTEERS, WE ARE COMMITTED TO INCREASING PUBLIC AWARENESS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. AND ARE SENDING A CLEAR MESSAGE TO ABUSERS THAT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

WE URGE ALL RESIDENTS TO COME INVOLVED IN THE EFFORTS.

IN RECOGNIZING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

PASSED AND ADOPTED THIS FIFTH DAY OF OCTOBER 2021.

BRADEN J PATTY, CLERK OF COURTS.

SIGNED JEREMIAH RAY BLOCKER. >> THANK YOU.

MS. FRANKLIN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME AND SEE A FEW WORDS?

>> HI, I'M KELLY FRANKLIN, THE CEO OF THE BETTY GRIFFIN CENTER. BETTY GRIFFIN PROVIDES SERVICES FOR SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC AND SEXUAL ABUSE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I'M JOINED BY THE CENTER'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS, OUR ADVOCATES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.

BETTY GRIFFIN CENTER, OUR VISION IS PEACE AT HOME AND IN THE WORLD. WE HAVE THREE MAIN VALUES.

ONE, DIGNITY. WE OFFER SERVICES WITH HOPE, INTEGRITY, RESPECT AND RESPECT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL.

NUMBER 2, SAFETY. CONFIDENTIAL SERVICES IN A SAFE AND SUPPORTIVE ENVIRONMENT. IN NUMBER 3, COLLABORATIVE.

WORKING TOGETHER TO HOLD TRUE TO OUR VALUES AND ACHIEVE OUR VISION. ABUSE IS A LEARNED BEHAVIOR WITH DEADLY CONSEQUENCES. BETTY GRIFFIN CENTER IS DEDICATED TO SUPPORTING SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, HOLDING BATTERERS ACCOUNTABLE, AND EDUCATING THE COMMUNITY AND YOUTH ON HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR THE PARTNERSHIP ON THE INTIMATE VIOLENCE ENHANCEMENT SERVICE TEAM KNOWN AS INVEST. THEY MARKED THREE TIMES A WEEK WITH OUR ADVOCATES AND ACCOUNTABILITY SPECIALISTS TO SUPPORT THE SAFETY OF SURVIVORS AND WHOLE BATTERERS ACCOUNTABLE. WE NEED EVERYONE TO DO YOUR PART. WE NEED YOU TO SUPPORT BETTY GRIFFIN CENTER SERVICES, CALL LAW ENFORCEMENT IF YOU HEAR OR SEE AN ABUSIVE SITUATION. AND IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW IS EXPERIENCING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, PLEASE CALL OUR 24 HOUR HELPLINE AT 904-824-1555. ON BEHALF OF THE BETTY GRIFFIN CENTER BOARD OF DIRECTORS, OUR ADVOCATES, OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, AND ESPECIALLY THE SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, WE THANK THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR RECOGNIZING OCTOBER AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> MS. FRANKLIN, IT IS MY PLEASURE ON BEHALF OF THE ST. JOHN'S BORD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO PRESENT YOU AND THE BETTY GRIFFIN CENTER WITH THIS PROCLAMATION. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR GOOD WORK.

[Proclamation Recognizing October 2021 as Menorcan Heritage Month]

>> AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HEAR A PROCLAMATION HONORING OCTOBER

AS (INDISCERNIBLE) MONTH. >> GOOD MORNING.

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SO TODAY IS GREAT PLEASURE THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS RECOGNIZES THE MONTH OF OCTOBER AS MENORICAN HERITAGE MONTH. WE WILL HAVE (NAME) COME

FORWARD FOR THE PROCLAMATION. >> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA.

WHERE'S IN 1760, MORE THAN 14,000 SPANISH, GREEKS, ITALIANS AND IRISH SAILED FROM MINORCA AND SPAIN TO WORK AS INDENTURED SERVANTS ON AN INDIGO PLANTATION IN NEW SMYRNA FLORIDA. WITH THE PROMISE OF FREEDOM AND PROPERTY UPON CONTRACT OF COMPLETION.

AND WHEREAS IN 1777. AFTER YEARS OF HARSH TREATMENT AND INDENTURED SERVITUDE, MORE THAN 600 MIN ORGANS MADE A NEW START IN THE NEW WORLD. TRACKING 70 MILES TO SETTLE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. AND AFTER LOSING OVER HALF OF THEIR COLONY DUE TO STARVATION, DISEASE AND OTHER HARSH CONDITIONS, THUMB AND ORGANS WERE RELEASED FROM THEIR CONTRACTS FROM BRITISH GOVERNOR AND OFFERED SPANISH LANDS TO REBUILD THEIR LIVES IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

AND WHERE THEY WORKED TIRELESSLY TO BUILD HOMES SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES, AND LAID A FIRM FOUNDATION FOR THE THRIVING COMMUNITY THAT MANY SAINT AUGUSTINE RESIDENTS CALL HOME TODAY. AND WERE THE NATION'S OLDEST CITY IS KNOWN AS BEING THE OLDEST, MOST CONTINUOUSLY OCCUPIED CITY IN THE UNITED STATES, THANKS IN PART TO THE WORK AND DEDICATION OF THEM AND ORGANS.

AND WHEREAS THE MINORCA NAMES -- STILL RESIDE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. WHICH IS NOW HOME TO MORE THAN 20,000 MEN ORGANS. NOW BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT OCTOBER 20, 20 1B DESIGNATED AS MINORCA AND HERITAGE MONTH.

PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA THIS FIFTH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2021.

>> THANK YOU. (NAME), WHY DON'T YOU COME UP

HERE AS WELL? >> SO WHEN CHRIS AND JOE REACH OUT TO ME AND LET ME KNOW WE HAVEN'T DONE A PROCLAMATION HONORING OCTOBER AS MINORCA AND HERITAGE MONTH, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO THIS.

MINORCA AND CULTURE HAS SUCH A TREMENDOUS IMPACT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

SO WE ARE HAPPY AND THRILLED AS AN HONOR TO PRESENT THIS TO

Y'ALL. >> I WANTED TO THANK CHRISTIE, FOR SHE IS AN HONORARY MINORCA. IF IT WASN'T FOR HER -- YOU ONLY HAVE TO ASK AND YOU WILL RECEIVE, RIGHT? I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER BLOCKER FOR GETTING THIS DONE.

AND I WANT TO THANK ALL THE MEN ORGANS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO OUR CULTURE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DESERVE A THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THE MINORCA AND CULTURE AND HERITAGE ALIVE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

ONE PERSON COMES TO MIND IS MIKE ZINA WHO TEACHES AN AGE-OLD CRAFT OF HAND MAKING NETS.

IN MANY OTHERS LIKE RUSTY HALL, TERRY BRADSHAW, TRACY ZINA, AND SO MANY OTHERS WHO ARE ALWAYS HELPING TO MAKE THE ANNUAL MINORCA AND FESTIVAL A GREAT SUCCESS.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THOSE WHO ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT KEEPING OUR MINORCA AND HERITAGE ALIVE BY WRITING BOOKS, MAKING COSTUMES. IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THE LITTLE THINGS THAT SHOW YOUR CHILDREN MANNERISMS AND RECIPES AND TRADITIONS THAT THEY CAN CARRY ON WITH THEIR CHILDREN.

SO THEY HAVE A SENSE OF BELONGING TO A COMMUNITY.

A COMMUNITY THAT SHARES THOUSANDS OF BLOOD RELATIVES

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AND EVEN AFTER SUFFERING FOR NEARLY A DECADE, THEY CAME TO SAINT AUGUSTINE AND BUILT A THRIVING COMMUNITY.

IT WILL BE HERE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME BECAUSE OF THEIR DETERMINATION. WE HAVE SO MUCH TO BE THANKFUL FOR. AND IF YOU STILL LIVE IN SAN AUGUSTINE, YOU ARE BLESSED TO WALK THE STREETS AND LOOK AT HOMES AND BUILDINGS THAT YOUR ANCESTORS MOST LIKELY HELPED BUILD. AND NEVER FORGET HOW YOU ARE BLESSED TO CONTINUE TO LIVE IN THE OLDEST, CONTINUOUSLY OCCUPIED CITY IN THE NATION BECAUSE OF OUR ANCESTORS, THE MEN ORGANS. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> MY APOLOGIES.

[Proclamation Recognizing October 2021 as Breast Cancer Awareness Month]

I'M SURE THAT ALL OF US ARE AWARE THAT THIS OCTOBER IS RECOGNIZING BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH.

AND I WANT TO CALL UP JUDY PACKO WITH PINK UP THE PACE AND MAURIZIO -- I THINK I HAVE THIS RIGHT -- RATES THE (NAME) WITH PINK RIBBON JACKSONVILLE TO THE PODIUM.

ARE THEY BOTH HERE? PLEASE.

MELISSA, ARE YOU GOING TO READ THE PROCLAMATION?

>> PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA. WHEREAS BREAST CANCERS THE MOST COMMON CANCER EXCEPT FOR SKIN CANCERS.

AN ESTIMATED 30 PERCENT OF ALL WOMEN CANCER DIAGNOSIS IN 2021 WILL BE BREAST CANCER. AND ONE IN EIGHT WOMEN WILL BE DIAGNOSED WITH BREAST CANCER IN HER LIFETIME.

AND WHILE UNAWARE, THOUSANDS OF MEN ARE DIAGNOSED WITH BREAST CANCER EACH YEAR. AND WHERE HAVING AFFORDABLE ACCESS TO SCREENING FOR ALL IS AN AND SEXUAL COMPONENT IN THE FIGHT AGAINST BREAST CANCER. AND THANKS TO EARLIER DETECTION AND IMPROVEMENT IN TREATMENT OPTIONS, MORTALITY RATES HAVE DECREASED IN THE LAST DECADE. THERE ARE NOW MORE THAN 38 MILLION BREAST CANCER SURVIVORS IN THE UNITED STATES.

AND WHERE CONSIDERABLE PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE, THERE IS STILL SUBSTANTIAL WORK TO BE DONE TO CONTINUE FIGHTING AND PREVENTING BREAST CANCER. AND THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED THAT OCTOBER 2021 BE RECOGNIZED AS BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH. AS WE STAND WITH OUR LOVED ONES WHO HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY THE DISEASE AND RECOGNIZE THOSE WHO FIGHT, ADVOCATE, RESEARCH AND FIND HOPE THOSE OSE LIVING WITH BREAST CANCER. PASSED AND ADOPTED THIS FIFTH

DAY OF OCTOBER 2021. >> THANK YOU, MELISSA.

I'D LIKE TO ASK MS. PLATT GO TO SAY A FEW WORDS.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. AS WE ALL KNOW, EVERY OCTOBER WE SEE A LOT OF PINK ALL AROUND US.

AND THERE IS A WEALTH OF INFORMATION ABOUT BREAST CANCER. AND THAT IS A VERY GOOD THING.

BECAUSE AWARENESS ENCOMPASSING BREAST CANCER IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. FOR EARLY DETECTION.

OFTEN THROUGH SCREENING.HICH CAN CATCH THIS DISEASE WHEN IT IS MOST TREATABLE. THERE ARE ONE IN EIGHT WOMEN IN THE UNITED STATES THAT WILL BE DIAGNOSED WITH BREAST CANCER IN HER LIFETIME. MEN, YOU WERE NOT EXEMPT FROM THIS EITHER. PINK UP THE PACE IS MORE THAN A RACE. IT'S A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT SERVES MEN AND WOMEN. WE RAISE FUNDS TO HELP THOSE WHO ARE UNINSURED AND UNDERINSURED IN ST. JOHN'S AND PUTNAM COUNTY WITH IMAGING SERVICES.

WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY BY MOTIVATING INDIVIDUALS TO BE AWARE OF THEIR BODIES.

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WE WANT TO BE AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO THOSE DEALING WITH THE DISEASE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE SURVIVORS.

WE WANT TO COME ALONGSIDE OF THEM AND BE AN EMOTIONAL SUPPORT. AS A SURVIVOR AND BOARD MEMBER, ALONG WITH FIVE OTHER MEMBERS OF PINK UP THE PACE, OUR DESIRE IS FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW THEY DO NOT NEED TO WALK THIS JOURNEY ALONE.

I THINK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

[APPLAUSE] >> NEXT WE WILL HEAR

[Proclamation Recognizing October 3-9, 2021 as National 4-H Week]

>> THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO NOW INVITE MISS JULIA KELLY, MS. ANNETTE THE RENZO AND MS. KELLY ANDERSON TO

COME ON FORWARD. >> GOOD MORNING.

A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA. WHETHER THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE PROUD HONOR THE 4-H YOUTH DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM (INDISCERNIBLE) FOR MORE THAN 100 YEARS OF PROVIDING EVIDENCE-BASED EDUCATION TO YOUTH THROUGHOUT THE SUNSHINE STATE. WHERE'S THE FLORIDA 4-H YOUTH DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM WORKS WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, OTHER STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS, AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO WAITERS AWARENESS AND SUPPORT TO RAISE POSITIVE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. WHERE IS THIS PROGRAM SEEKS TO PROVIDE A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR THE WHOLE CHILD, INCLUDING HEAD, HANDS, HEALTH -- DEVELOP LIFE SKILLS AND FORM ATTITUDES THAT ENABLE THEM TO BECOME SELF DIRECTED, PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF OUR SOCIETY.

OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE DESIGNED AROUND THE FOUR ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS NECESSARY FOR POSITIVE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT BY PROVIDING YOUTH WITH SUPERVISED INDEPENDENCE, A SENSE OF DEVELOPMENT, A SPIRIT OF GENEROSITY TOWARDS OTHERS.

BE IT PROCLAIMED THAT OCTOBER 3 THROUGH THE NINTH, 2021 BE DESIGNATED AS NATIONAL FOR EACH WEEK.

PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA THIS FIFTH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2021.

>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS -- I'M A PRODUCT OF THE 4-H YOUTH PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY. INSPECT, THE SMITH FAMILY GENERATIONALLY HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE PROGRAM.

MY GRANDDADDY, MY DAD, MYSELF AND MY BROTHERS.

LIKEWISE, MY CHILDREN. THERE ARE FOUR GENERATIONS THAT A BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS PROGRAM.

IT HAS AN ENORMOUS IMPACT UPON US.IT'S 4-H THAT INTRODUCED ME TO PUBLIC SPEAKING AND PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE.

ANNA PROVIDED MY SON AND INTRODUCTION IN FORESTRY AND TO A BACHELORS DEGREE. FINALLY, FOR EACH IS HOW I MET MY WIFE, WENDY. SO I'M A VERY STRONG PROPONENT OF THE 4-HPROGRAM AND GLAD TO PRESENT THIS PROCLAMATION DECLARING OCTOBER 3 TO THE NINTH, 2021, AS NATIONAL FOR

EACH WEEK. >> HI.

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I'M ALSO A PARENT OF A RECENT 4-H GRADUATE.

I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THE EXPERIENCES MY DAUGHTER HAD IN 4-H THAT IS ALREADY HELPING HER TO REACH HER CAREER GOALS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA TODAY.

MY DAUGHTER MARIAH STARTED WITH 4-H IN FIRST GRADE.ER FIRST CLUB WAS RUCKUS ROOSTERS WHERE SHE RAISE AND SHOW CHICKENS.

MOVING ON THROUGH THE YEARS TWO HORSE JUDGING TEAM, HORSE SHOWS, DAIRY GOATS, HORTICULTURE, SEWING, QUILTING, PHOTOGRAPHY, ART, AND ARCHERY, WHERE SHE HELD THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP TITLE FOR TWO YEARS RUNNING AND COMPETED AT NATIONALS THIS SUMMER. SHE HAD A FULL ROUNDED HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE OF THINGS BEYOND WHAT YOU LEARN AT SCHOOL.

MY SON, WHO IS AN EAGLE SCOUT AND SEVEN YEARS OLDER, REMARKED THAT HE WISH HE HAD DONE FOR EACH AS A YOUTH.

HE HAD BEEN EXPOSED TO MANY THINGS AND SCOUT,EARNING HIS BADGES. BUT HE ENVIED MARIAH WHO WAS ABLE TO COMPLETELY MASTER THESE AREAS AND BUILD HER SKILLS IN COMPETITION. THE CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM COMPETITIONS REALLY HELPED HER TO PERFECT HER SKILLS. MARIAH'S LEADERSHIP SKILLS ALSO GREW BY HOLDING OFFICER POSITIONS, PARTICIPATING IN CLUB SERVICE PROJECTS AND SON RICK :FUNDRAISING .

HER FAVORITE PART OF THE SUMMER WAS BEING CAMP COUNSELOR AT CAMP CHERRY LAKE. AND ASSISTING WITH THE SEWING CAMP AND ARCHERY CAMP. SHE MADE STRONG FRIENDSHIPS WHICH OTHER PREACHERS ACROSS THE STATE AND WAS ABLE TO STAY ON CAMPUS AT FLORIDA STATE FOR 4-H LEGISLATURE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. SHE WAS TOTALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE CAMPUS BEFORE SHE EVER STARTED SCHOOL THERE.

SHE VOLUNTEERED AT THE 4-H ALUMNI BANQUET AND MADE VALUABLE CONNECTIONS WITH ADULTS IN HER FUTURE FIELD OF MEDICINE. SHE WAS ACCEPTED TO THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA THIS FALL, AND IS STUDYING PREPROFESSIONAL BIOLOGY AND CHEMISTRY OUT OF THE COLLEGE OF AGRICULTURAL AND LIFE SCIENCES. SHE ALREADY HAS MANY FRIENDS ON CAMPUS THAT SHE MET THROUGH 4-H.

BECAUSE SHE IS ALREADY WORKING ON BUILDING HER RESUME FOR MEDICAL SCHOOL, IN TWO MONTHS TIME SHE HAS LANDED A POSITION AT UF SHANNON'S TRAUMA DEPARTMENT AS A MONITOR SUPPORT TECHNICIAN. AS MANY OF HER CLASSMATES STRUGGLED TO FIND INTERNSHIPS, THE INTERVIEW PROCESS CAME EASY TO MARIAH, FOR SHE HAD BEEN THROUGH IT SEVERAL TIMES IN 4-H COMPETITIONS. I BELIEVE MY DAUGHTER IS SPECIAL, BUT I SEE THE SAME BEAUTIFUL MIRACLE HAPPENING EVERY YEAR IN OTHER 4-H MEMBERS WHO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THAT FOR EACH HAS TO OFFER. I CONTINUE TO VOLUNTEER AS A 4-H LEADER NOW, EVEN THOUGH MY DAUGHTER HAS MOVED ON, BECAUSE I ENJOY WITNESSING THIS MIRACLE.

AND SEEING 4-H YOUTH GROW AND DEVELOP INTO THE BEST THEY CAN BE. THAT IS WHAT 4-H HAS ALWAYS DONE -- TO MAKE THE BETTER BEST.

IT IS CERTAINLY WHAT IT HAS DONE FOR MY DAUGHTER AND I AM SINCERELY GRATEFUL. WE ARE ALWAYS IN NEED OF 4-H VOLUNTEER LEADERS. SO IF YOU AS AN ADULT HAVE A PASSION THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE, COME JOIN 4-H AND WITNESS THE MIRACLE FOR YOURSELF. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER

[Acceptance of Proclamations]

[Public Safety Update]

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.T PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE.

GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR YOU THIS MORNING.

THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER WE HAD 5466 FIRE RESCUE EVENTS THAT WE RESPONDED TO. WE HAVE TO PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE. THE YEAR TODAY, WE HAVE HAD 47,446 EVENTS. THAT'S 3128 MORE THAN 2020.

SO WE ARE STILL SEEING THAT INCREASE.

BUT WE ALSO DID SOMETHING SPECIAL IN SEPTEMBER FOR OUR DEPARTMENT. IT WAS OUR ANNUAL AWARDS.

SEPTEMBER 24, WE WERE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE SOME DEPARTMENT INDIVIDUALS FOR ACCOMPLISHMENTS FROM 2020.

IT WAS A SPECIAL NIGHT FOR US. COMMUNICATION OFFICER WAS (NAME). (INDISCERNIBLE).

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EMPLOYEES FOR THEIR SPECIAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS.>> THANK YOU.

>> DIRECTOR PERRY HAGMAN FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY ON BEHALF OF SHERIFF HARDWICK TO HIGHLIGHT TWO ISSUES.

THE FIRST, AS WE MOVE OUT OF THE WARMER BEACH MONTHS AND MOVE INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE COLDER MONTHS, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE HAVE HAD AN INCREASE OF POPULATION AT THE BEACH FROM 20 TO 21 BY ABOUT 35 PERCENT.

THE CRIME HAS GONE DOWN ABOUT 12 PERCENT.

BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE CLOSURE RATE OF THOSE CRIMES HAVE GONE UP SOME 48 PERCENT. WE ATTRIBUTE THAT TO THE ASSIGNMENTS AND HARD WORK WE DID UPFRONT.

AND WE ALSO CONTRIBUTE THAT TO THE INTERACTION WE ARE HAVING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE INFORMATION THAT THE COMMUNITY IS SHARING WITH US TO HELP CLEAR THESE CRIMES.

SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. THE SECOND IS OUR COUNTY JAIL, WE HAVE TEMPORARY RESIDENCE PERIODICALLY.

AND THE SHERIFF HAS STARTED A PROGRAM ABOUT A MONTH AND AND A HALF AGO TO BRING EMPLOYERS INTO THE JAIL TO INTERVIEW PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING OUR JAIL.

TO TRY TO FIND THEM JOBS WHEN THEY LEAVE.

EMPLOYERS ARE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING A WORKFORCE AS WE ALL KNOW. AND THIS IS A WAY TO GET BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND TO CONNECT THOSE WORKERS AND POTENTIAL WORKERS WITH EMPLOYERS.

WE ARE SEEING A VERY HIGH SUCCESS RATE IN THAT.

AND CONTINUE TO PUSH THAT PROGRAM.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR STELLAR RESULTS FROM THAT FOR THE REST OF THE FISCAL YEAR. THANK YOU.

[Clerk of Court’s Report]

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

NOW WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR CLERK OF COURT REPORTS.

>> GOOD MORNING. WITH OCTOBER BEING NATIONAL DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH, I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A BRIEFING ON HOW OUR OFFICE PROVIDES VITAL SUPPORT TO THOSE IN POTENTIAL DANGER. AS YOU KNOW, THE COURT OFFICE RECEIVES AND PROCESSES DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INJUNCTIONS KNOWN AS RESTRAINING ORDERS. WHICH ARE AVAILABLE AT NO COST TO INDIVIUALS IN NEED. THE SERVICE IS AVAILABLE 24 HOURS A DAY. EITHER AT THE COURTHOUSE IN STANDARD BUSINESS HOURS OR AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DURING AFTER HOURS WHERE OUR ON-CALL CLERK WILL PROCESS.

IN COORDINATION IS KEY TO ENSURE NECESSARY HELP IS

[Consent Agenda]

MANY OF WHICH RESULTED IN TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT INJUNCTIONS. WE TAKE THIS RESPONSIBILITY SERIOUSLY AND ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO CONTACT OUR OFFICE WITH QUESTIONS OR NEEDS. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S MY BRIEFING

PENDING QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR YOUR GREAT STAFF WORKING SO HARD.

SO WE WILL MOVE INTO THE APROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> NO, SIR.

AS I HAD SENT YOU A LITTLE NOTE, CONSENT NUMBER 11.

UPON CONSULTATION WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WE RECOMMEND -- THAT'S THE PALS MOU. WE AGREED THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A TERM OF THE AGREEMENT -- THE MOU.

IT'S VERY BRIEF AND I'M PREPARED TO READ THAT RIGHT NOW. IF THE BOARD COULD ADOPT THAT AS PART OF THE CONSENT? OR IF THE BOARD COULD EDIT LATER TO THE MEETING? BUT I'M PREPARED TO DO THAT NOW, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT?

>> OKAY. YOU CAN GO AHEAD.

>> OKAY. SO THIS IS THE PALS AGREEMENT.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, WE RECOMMEND ADDING A TERM. THIS MOU SHALL COMMENCE FOR AN INITIAL 10 YEAR TERM. UPON EXPIRATION, THIS MOU SHALL AUTOMATICALLY RENEW FOR A SUCCESS OF FIVE YEAR TERMS. TERMS AND CONDITIONS PROVIDING THAT NEITHER PART IF PARTY

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AGAIN, THE BOARD COULD DO THAT AS PART OF CONSENT.

OR ADD THAT AS AN ITEM LATER IN THE MEETING AT THE BOARD'S

DISCRETION. >> I WOULD MOVE (INDISCERNIBLE). AS ITEM 11 YOU SAY?

>> I'M SORRY? >> ITEM 11?

>> YET. CONSENT 11.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, BEFORE THE BOARD GETS TO THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA, IT COULD BE DONE ALTOGETHER (INDISCERNIBLE)

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY.

SO I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYONE THAT ONCE YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT THROUGHOUT THE MEETING TO GO AND STAND UP.

WE HAVE TWO PODIUMS TO COME FORWARD.

WE WILL GO AHEAD AND START THE TIMER.

SO IF IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET UP HERE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HEAR FROM AND EVERYONE. ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, JUST COME ON FORWARD RIGHT NOW.

JUST ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE A LOT OF AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? AND AGAIN, YOU WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO COME TO OTHER AGENDA ITEMS AS WE GO THROUGH EACH ONE. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NONE. SO I'M PREPARED TO MOVE THE

CONSENT AGENDA AS AMENDED. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THAT PASSES WITH THE AMENDMENT.

SO LET'S MOVE INTO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

[Regular Agenda]

>> I HAVE NONE. >> OKAY.

MR. VICE CHAIR? >> NONE.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REGULAR AGENDA?

[1. Deerpark Industrial Venture, LLC Economic Development Incentive Request]

THE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS GOING TO BE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. THIS IS THE DEER PARK

INDUSTRIAL. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

JENNIFER ZUBERER PROJECT MANAGER.ODAY WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE REQUEST FROM DEER PARK INDUSTRIAL.

THIS COMES TO US FROM IN LIGHT, WHICH IS AN INDUSTRIAL REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT COMPANY. IN LIGHT RECENTLY OPENED AN OFFICE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY EARLIER THIS YEAR.

WE ARE PROUD TO HAVE THEM HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THIS PROJECT PROPOSES TO BRING MUCH-NEEDED AVAILABLE INDUSTRIAL SPACE TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF AVAILABLE INDUSTRIAL SPACE FOR OUR EXISTING BUSINESSES TO EXPAND AND NEW BUSINESSES TO RELOCATE. DEER PARK INDUSTRIAL AND PROPOSES TO BUILD TWO SPECULATIVE SPACE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS TO BE LOCATED NEAR I 95 AND 207.

THE FIRST BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO BE 291,200 SQUARE FEET IN THE SECOND BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO BE HUNDRED AND 31,040 SQUARE FEET. THE PROJECT WILL CREATE AN INDUSTRIAL LOGISTICS PARK, PROPOSED TO BE USED AS MULTITENANT DISTRIBUTION CENTERS.

WHICH COULD CHANGE TO OTHER COMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL USES, DEPENDING ON INTERESTED TENANTS.

CONSTRUCTION FOR BOTH BUILDINGS IS PROJECTED TO BE COMPLETE IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF 2023. IN THE PROJECT WILL BRING AN INVESTMENT TOTALING APPROXIMATELY $38 MILLION.

HERE IS A MAP OF THE PROPOSED LOCATION, WHICH IS IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA OF 207 AND I 95.

AND ALSO, A SITE PLAN. EACH BUILDING OF THE PROJECT SCORED SIX POINTS UNDER THE SPECULATIVE SPACE CATEGORY OF THE COUNTY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM.

BASED ON THE FACILITY SIZE. BOTH BUILDINGS ARE MORE THAN 100,001 SQUARE FEET, GIVING EACH BUILDING FOUR POINTS.

IN THE BUILDING TYPE, WHICH BOTH BUILDINGS ARE INDUSTRIAL, GIVING EACH BUILDING TWO POINTS.

THEREFORE, UNDER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM, THE PROJECT IS ELIGIBLE FOR CONSIDERATION OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT OF FOUR YEARS OF GENERAL COUNTY PORTION AND

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100 PERCENT OF IMPACT FEES AND WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION FEES PAID AN EXPEDITED PERMITTING. THE ESTIMATE OF VALUE FOR BUILDING A IS $759,896. AND FOR BUILDING B, IS $365,920, TOTALING 1 MILLION, $125,816 FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT. THE FIRST ANNUAL GRANT PAYMENT IS ANTICIPATED IN FISCAL YEAR 25.

INCLUDED IN YOUR MATERIALS IS THE CALCULATED COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, WHICH IS POSITIVE. IF APPROVED, STAFF WILL DRAFT TO WORK AND ECONOMIC AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE AGREEMENT TO BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA. GRANT PAYMENTS WILL NOT BE PAID UNTIL PERFORMANCE MEASURES ARE MET.

WITH US TODAY IS DAVID BURCH, JEFF (NAME) AND CHARLES MARGIOTTA WITHIN LIGHT REAL. AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR COMPANY TO YOU. AND THEY ARE ALSO AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE PROJECT.

THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS DAVID BURCH. I'M A NEW RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I MOVE MY FAMILY HERE IN APRIL.

AS I STARTED THE COMPANY WITH MY PARTNER, JEFF, IN JANUARY.

HE HAS BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR THREE YEARS AND WAS BORN IN GAINESVILLE. WE CAME HERE BECAUSE WE LOVE THE COMMUNITY. IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY.ND IT'S PEOPLE WHO WORKED IN FINANCIAL SERVICES AND INVESTMENTS IN ATLANTA, WE SAW NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T DO IT HERE. AS YOU PROBABLY HEARD, THE EXCESS OF THE NORTHEAST FINANCIAL HUB IS COMING DOWN TO WARMER CLIMATES. AND WE SEE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. OUR BUSINESS IS FOCUSED ON INDUSTRIAL REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.'M SURE YOU ARE ALL AWARE OF THE NEED FOR INDUSTRIAL SPACE, PARTICULARLY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE BROKERAGE COMMUNITY IS ACTUALLY THRILLED THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO THIS.

THERE WERE ORIGINALLY NO OPTIONS FOR CLASS A SPACE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

INTO DUVAL COUNTY AND WEST JACKSONVILLE.

SO WE WOULD LOVE NOTHING MORE TO SUPPORT DISTRIBUTION, LIGHT MANUFACTURING, OR WHATEVER MAY COME OUR WAY AS WE BUILD THESE ON A SPECULATIVE BASIS. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> OKAY.HANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. GREAT.

WHY DON'T YOU STAND BY. WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> OKAY.

>> MR. VICE CHAIR? >> LINEUP, PLEASE, EVERYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK UNDER ITEM 1 PUBLIC COMMENT.

ITEM 1. SEEING NONE. >> OKAY.

WITH PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.

COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> MOTION TO INSTRUCT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ECONOMIC AGREEMENT FOR DEER PARK ADVENTURE LLC -- (INDISCERNIBLE) AND PLACE THE

[Items 2 & 3]

LEADERS SCHEDULED MEETING. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

CONGRATULATIONS. SO WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM. THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING ON BEACHCOMBER RV RESORT. GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAGOSSA

STREET. >> BEFORE WE GO FURTHER, WE WILL HEAR AGENDA ITEM 2 AND THREE.

SO GIVE US JUST A MOMENT TO DO ART DISCLOSURE.

>> MR. CHAIR, ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 30, AT APPROXIMATELY 10:30 AM I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR, PAUL WALDRON, GAIL (NAME) AND STAFF TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT.

WE DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT.

THAT THERE HAD BEEN CAMPING THERE BEFORE.

WE DISCUSSED THE COMPATIBILITY AND SOME OF THE OPPOSITION AND

SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> YES. MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 23 AT 1030 I MET WITH MS. KAREN TAYLOR, PAUL ROHAN AND MS. DIXON TO DISCUSS A PROJECT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE USE OF IT BEING A CAMPGROUND. THE (INDISCERNIBLE) THAT HAVE

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IN THE MARINA ASPECT AND THE POSSIBILITY OF A WATER TAXI TO THE TOWN CENTER INTO SAINT AUGUSTINE.

I HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER IN SUPPORT AND I RECEIVED MANY EMAILS FOR BOTH SUPPORT AND NOT SUPPORT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 20 AT NOON I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR, PAUL ROHAN AND GAIL (NAME) TO DISCUSS THE PROJECTS. ONE OF THE MAJOR IS STOMACH ISSUES WE DISCUSSED WERE TRAFFIC TOWNS SPECIFICALLY UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING AS OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED REZONING IN THE AMENDMENT. AND GOING BACK TO MAY 13 OF THIS YEAR, I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR, PAUL LOHAN AND GAIL DIXON TO DISCUSS THE PARENT PROJECT OF THIS REQUEST.

NAMELY THAT I'VE GOT NUMEROUS EMAILS, MOST OF WHICH SUPPORTED THE PROJECT. SOME DID NOT.

AND THAT COMPLETES MY (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER (NAME).

>> I MET WITH MR. TAYLOR, MR. ROHAN AND GAIL (NAME).

WE DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT IN GREAT DETAIL IN THE PAST THERE WAS 178 SPACES.

AND TONIGHT TO BE COMMERCIAL USE.

THE REQUEST WAS TO GO FROM RESIDENTIAL BACK TO THE RV PARK. AND ONLY UP TO 170 SPACES.

WE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE SITE PLAN INCLUDING THE APPLICATION FOR BOAT SLIPS ETC. THE DOCK, AND THE WELCOME CENTER UPFRONT. THEY MET WITH THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER AS WELL AS MAIN STREET.

ISSUE, ESPECIALLY QUESTIONS PREGARDING THE NEAREST PARCEL, TRAFFIC, AND STORM EVACUATION. ALSO WE WENT THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL WITH REMAINING CONSERVATION.

(INDISCERNIBLE) THE PROS AND CONS FOR THOSE WHO WORK FOR AND THOSE WERE AGAINST. WE WENT THROUGH THE PERMITTED USES ACTUALLY BEING LIMITED TO PJUST AN RV PARK.

I THINK THAT WILL COVER THIS PARTICULAR MEETING.LSO, I HAVE HAD DIFFERENT EMAILS AND CORRESPONDENCES, BOTH IN FAVOR

AND AGAINST. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH. SO I MET MONDAY IT SEPTEMBER 23 AT APPROXIMATELY 2 PM WITH KAREN TAYLOR, PAUL ROHAN AND GAIL DIXON. WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, TRAFFIC IMPACTS, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.

AS WELL AS THE EXISTING IMPACTS DASHCODE EXISTING ZONING.

THERE WAS A PROPOSED CONVENTION CENTER AT ONE POINT.

A PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL PROJECT. WE ALSO SPOKE ON SOME OF THE STORMWATER EVACUATIONS. IF THERE WAS A HURRICANE AND THE NECESSITY OF EVACUATING POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS FROM THIS AREA. WE ALSO TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT SOME OF THE OPPOSITION. I'VE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS BOTH SUPPORTING THE PROJECT AS WELL AS OPPOSING.

WE DID DISCUSS SOME OF THE PROS AND CONS IN OUR MEETING.

HAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

JUST AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAGOSSA STREET. WITH ME TODAY IS PAUL ROHAN, WHO IS THE CLIENT REPRESENTATIVE.

(INDISCERNIBLE) AGREE WITH THE ENGINEER.

SO IF THERE IS ANY QUESTION REGARDING THAT.

AND KATHY WHITTINGTON, WHO IS OUR LEGAL LIAISON.

THIS IS THE BEACHCOMBER RV RESORT.

IT IS BOTH A SMALL-SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT MAJOR MODIFICATION AS ALLUDED TO IN THE DISCUSSIONS. THE LOCATION.

IT IS ON STATE ROAD A1A. IT IS APPROXIMATELY ONE MILE NORTH OF THE SENA BRIDGE. WHICH GIVES YOU A RELATIONSHIP TO WHERE EVERYTHING IS. SURROUNDING LAND USE.

NORTH IS THE OCEAN SANDS BEACH END.

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SOUTH THERE IS ALSO MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT. THERE IS A COUNTY PARK AS WELL AS MARSHLAND. AND TO THE WEST IS A INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY AND TO THE EAST IS THE ATLANTIC OCEAN.

THE TOTAL ON THE SITE CONDITION -- THIS IS 43.78 ACRES.

AND THERE'S 17.96 ACRES OF WETLANDS AND (INDISCERNIBLE) JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS.S YOU CAN SEE IN THE SLIDE, MOST OF THE (INDISCERNIBLE) IS CLEARED.

THERE IS SOME VEGETATION LEFT. IT WAS IMPACTED FROM THE PREVIOUS USE AS A CAMPGROUND. AND THE OWNERS HAVE CLEANED UP A LOT, BUT THERE IS STILL SOME THINGS LEFT.

THEY REBUILT THE DOCK AFTER MATTHEW AND IRMA.

THE CAMPGROUND THAT EXISTED DISCONTINUED IN 2007, WHEN IT WAS REZONED TO RESIDENTIAL. AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY FOR LEGAL ISSUES THAT THEY WOULDN'T LET US REMAIN AND SAY THAT AS A USE THAT WE COULD COME BACK TO IF THE RESIDENTIAL DIDN'T HAPPEN.

THEY HAD A MEMBERSHIP PROGRAM. SO THEY COULDN'T HAVE A CAMPGROUND THERE AT THE TIME. SO ANYWAY, AGAIN, THE OWNERS WORKED ON THAT. THEY RECONSTRUCTED THE DOCK.

I REQUEST TODAY FOR THE COMPREHESIVE PLAN AMENDMENT WOULD BE RURAL COMMERCIAL FOR THE PORTION THAT IS SHOWN IN RED. SURROUNDED BY RED.ND REMAIN IN CONSERVATION FOR THE PORTION THAT IS IN THE DASHED LINES TO THE SOUTH. AND BASICALLY, THERE ARE 28.4 ACRES WITHIN THE COMP PLAN AREA.

23.03 REMAINS CONSERVATION. FUTURE LAND USE.

THIS IS JUST A GENERALIZED DASHCODE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT EXISTS ALONG THERE. THERE IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL. A LARGE AMOUNT OF CONSERVATION.

THE PARK THAT I MENTIONED. THERE IS COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH.AND THAT LARGE COMMERCIAL IS THE NORTH BEACH CAMPGROUND. THE ORIGINAL PORTION HAS A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION. THE PORTION THAT WAS ADDED A FEW YEARS AGO IS ACTUALLY UNDER THE RURAL COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE SEEKING.

SO AS FOR IMMEDIATE LAND USE. THIS WOULD BE THE IMMEDIATE AND CLOSE MENUS. AGAIN, IT SHOWS YOU THE RESIDENTIAL A AND THE CONSERVATION AREA SO YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE CLOSER. AS FOR ZONING, NORTH BEACH HAS A VARIETY OF ZONING. WHICH IS DISPLAYED ON HERE.

AND YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE OUR APPLICATION AREA.

ANOTHER LARGE RESIDENTIAL THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS WOULD BE CHT, THAT'S IGNORE THESE CAMPGROUND.

AND THERE'S A LITTLE SPOT OF COMMERCIAL ZONING, AS WE KNOW SOME RESTAURANTS ARE IN THAT AREA.

IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH THERE IS (INDISCERNIBLE) ZONING. TO THE SOUTH, THERE IS ZONING THAT HAS MULTI FAMILY AS WELL AS THE PARK.

AND ANOTHER PUD TO THE SOUTH. SO THIS REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM RESIDENTIAL C TO RURAL COMMERCIAL STOP AND MAINTAIN THE CONSERVATION AS MENTIONED.

AND TO DEVELOP A CAMPGROUND TO REPLACE THE APPROVED AND PERMITTED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THE RURAL COMMERCIAL ALLOWS FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS. BUT IT IS THE MOST LIMITED OF COMMERCIAL DESIGNATIONS FOR LAND USE.

AND THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A CAMPGROUND.

IN THIS REQUEST, WE MODIFIED THINGS TO LIMIT THE CAMPGROUND ACTIVITIES. SO THAT RELATES BACK TO THIS.

THE CONSERVATION IS A DESIGNATION FOR PASSIVE PORTIONS OF THE UPPER LIMBS THAT ARE IN THAT CAN BE USED FOR THE ADJACENT LAND USE. AND THAT'S HOW THIS ONE IS

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WITH 170 CAMPSITES. AND AS NOTED, THE OLD ONE HAD 178. AND AMENITIES DASHCODE THE WELCOME CENTER, SOME BEACH WALK OVER AND VIEWING AREAS.

SOME POOLS AND BATHHOUSES. WE DO HAVE SOME GUEST PARKING FOR VISITORS. AND OVERALL, THE SITE CONTAINS 17.96 ACRES. WITH 25 POINT ONE ACRES OF JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS. WE ARE PROVIDING THE BUFFER AS REQUIRED. AND WE ARE ALSO PRESERVING MORE OF THE NATURAL HABITAT. 10 PERCENT IS REQUIRED.

WE ARE ACTUALLY PRESERVING 70 PERCENT.

THIS JUST GIVES YOU REPRESENTATION OF THE AREA AND THE AREA THAT WOULD BE CHANGED. AND AGAIN, THE CHANGE IS FOR BOTH -- THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND THE MAJOR MODIFICATION. IN THE APPROVED PUD -- THE CURRENT PUD WAS APPROVED AND PERMITTED FOR CONSTRUCTION OF 79 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. AND 34 MULTI FAMILY CONDOMINIUMS. AMENITY AREAS, STORMWATER, ROADS AND PARKING. AND A 39 SLIP BOAT DOCK.ND THE OWNER HAS THE APPROVED PLANS FOR THAT.

UNEXPIRED CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS BUT NOT THE BOAT SLIPS. THE PROPOSED PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS -- FOR THE PUD MODIFICATION WOULD BE THE THINGS I HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED FOR THE 170 CAMPSITES IN THE BOAT SLIPS AS WELL. AND AGAIN, ALL OF THIS FALLS WITHIN THE OPULENCE. AND OF COURSE, EVERYTHING HAS TO GO THROUGH NEW PERMITTING. THIS PLAN IS THE APPROVED SITE PLAN THROUGH ORDINANCE 2007, WHICH ACTUALLY COULD OF BEEN UP TO 83 UNITS BASED ON THE DENSITY ALLOCATIONS ALLOWED.

THEY HAD A BEACH CLUB. A RIVER CLUB.

THEY HAD THE DOCK AND BOAT SLIPS.AND GENERATED 25 SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN FOR THAT. AGAIN, THE SAME AMOUNT OF PROPERTY AND SAME AMOUNT OF OPULENCE AND LOWLANDS.

AS ALLUDED TO BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, WE DID BRING UP THE INTERIM REZONING REQUEST, WHICH WAS FOR WATERMARK, WHICH WAS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. JUST TO GIVE AN EXPLANATION OF THAT. THAT WAS ACTUALLY VILLAS HOTEL ROOMS, COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE. IT WAS DENIED BY THE BOARD HERE. BUT RAISE CONSCIOUSNESS FOR THE WHOLE AREA. AND THERE WAS A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, IN THE HUNDREDS OR MAYBE A FEW THOUSAND THAT WERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PARTICULAR THING. AND THEY HAVE NOT COME TO BE IN OPPOSITION OF US, WHICH WE APPRECIATE!SO THIS JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE GENERAL LAYOUT FOR THE SITE.

IT SHOWS YOU WHERE A1A WOULD BE.

ALONG THE BOUNDARY OVER HERE. AGAIN, THIS IS A CONNECTION TO THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY. WE HAVE MET WITH DOT.

WE DO HAVE TO DO CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS WITH THEM.

WE DO HAVE TO DO A MINOR TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THEM WHEN WE GET READY TO DO ANY PERMITTING. WE DO HAVE THE UPLAND BUFFER.

YOU CAN SEE THE BUFFER ALL AROUND THE PROJECT.

THE PORTIONS THAT ARE THE DARKENED PORTIONS -- SOME OF THAT IS BUFFER. AND THAT'S ALSO THAT SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITY HABITAT.

THE DEVELOPMENT IS PRIMARILY IN THAT RESIDENCY AREA, AS YOU CAN SEE. THAT WILL BE CHANGE.

BUT AGAIN, A PORTION OF THAT COMES INTO THE OTHER.

AS FOR THIS, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A REPRESENTATION. THIS IS THE AERIAL FROM 2005 THAT SHOWS THE OH CAMPGROND WITH OUR NEW SITE PLAN OVERLAID ON TOP OF IT. AND AGAIN, THAT CAMPGROUND WAS DEVELOPED AT LEAST IN THE 70S. I KNOW IT WAS HERE IN 79 WHEN I GOT HERE. AND IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT EVERYTHING WAS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE -- WE WOULD HAVE TO DO ALL THE NEW REQUIREMENTS.

AND THIS IS JUST A COPY OF HOURS WITHOUT THAT.

THAT'S ON THE NEWER AREA. IT SHOWS YOU THE GENERAL LAYOUT. IT SHOWS YOU A LOT OF THE

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AND HOURS WERE PRESERVING ALL THAT HABITAT ALL ALONG THAT AREA. TO PROMOTE A BETTER BUFFER.

AS YOU GET A LITTLE CLOSER, THAT GIVES YOU THE WHOLE SITE WITHOUT THE COMP PLAN AREA. AND IT REALLY GIVES YOU A BETTER VIEW OF WHAT THE WETLANDS ARE AND WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT UNDER REST SEE, YOU ARE ALLOWED A 70 PERCENT IMPERVIOUS RATIO ISR. AND IN RURAL COMMERCIAL, THAT GOES DOWN TO 60 PERCENT. SO IT'S ACTUALLY LESS IN COMMERCIAL. BUT IN OUR CASE, AND WE ARE COMMITTING OURSELVES TO THIS -- THIS LAYOUT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A .8 PERCENT IMPERVIOUS.O THE BALANCE OF THAT -- THE 91.2 IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PERVIOUS. AND THAT RELATES TO BECAUSE YOU CAN DO THE CAMPGROUND. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FILL IT AS MUCH. YOU CAN DO THE ROADS IN THE CAMPSITES WITH PERVIOUS MATERIALS, RATHER THAN IMPERVIOUS. SO THAT REALLY ALLOWS THAT THE PERVIOUS AREA PRETTY MUCH JUST BE NEAR THE ENTRANCE WHERE THE WELCOME CENTER IS. THAT WILL BE PAVED.

AND A LITTLE BIT IN THE PORTION WHERE WE HAVE A BATHHOUSE AND POOL. AND OF COURSE, WERE EVER THERE ARE BATHHOUSES WITHIN THE AREA. SO THIS DEFINITELY SHOWS YOU THE LAYOUT OF THOSE.HE WELCOME CHECK IN CENTER IS MENTIONED. THE PROPOSED WALKOVER AREA TO THE BEACH. IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS, THERE USED TO BE AN AREA LIKE THAT. THERE USED TO BE SOME PLATFORMS. WE ARE GOING TO PURSUE SOME PERMITTING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO KIND OF IT ABOVE THAT BIG DUNE AND BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE OCEAN.

THERE ARE AREAS FOR INTERIOR BATHHOUSES THAT ARE HARD TO SEE IN HERE. THEY RELATE TO DIFFERENT AREAS WITH THAT. THERE WILL BE FOR WATER AND SEWER TO EACH SITE, BUT THE BATHHOUSES ARE STILL PART OF THE PLAN. THERE IS ALSO RECREATIONAL OPEN SPACES. WE HAD A GOLF CART AREA, AND IT STILL SHOWS ON HERE. WE MET WITH COMMISSIONER WALDRON. HE MENTIONED WHAT PEOPLE ARE BRINGING THEIR BOATS AND THEY HAVE TRAILERS, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PUT THEIR TRAILERS? THEY ALREADY DECIDED THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED THE GOLF CART. THEY DIDN'T PLAN ON RENTING THEM. SO WE WILL DESIGNATE THAT AREA FOR BOAT AND TRAILER. WE ALSO HAVE PARKING AT THE FRONT THAT IS PARKING THAT IS NOT NEEDED.

BUT WE FELT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE VISITORS AND GUESTS THAT WERE VISITING CAMPERS. BUT IF WE FIND THAT THERE IS A DEMAND FOR, WE MAY USE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT FOR THAT.

AGAIN, ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS IN THE OPULENCE.

WE ARE MEETING THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS.

AND OF COURSE, PRESERVATION OF THAT HABITAT.

IN THIS SLIDE, PUT IN -- THIS IS THE FLOOD ZONE MAP.

AND IT CLEARLY SHOWS OUR SITE AND SHOWS THE DIFFERENT SITES IN THE AREA. BUT ONE THING O KNOW, IT REALLY DOES DENOTE THE AREA AND FLOOD ZONE.

SO TODAY, THE REQUIREMENT FOR A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS WHAT WE HAVE PERMITTED, REQUIRES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FILL TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN.

IN OUR CASE, YOU GET ALL THE BUILDINGS AND THE FACILITIES AND THINGS WILL BE OUT OF THAT. MOST OF IT WE CAN LEAVE AT A MUCH LOWER ELEVATION. WHICH MEANS WE GET TO SAVE A LOT MORE VEGETATION. AND THE SITE STAYS A LOT MORE LIKE IT LOOKS NOW. THIS WAS JUST IN CASE THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HABITAT ON THE SITE.

AGAIN, THE SIGNIFICANT HAVOC IT ITAT IS (INDISCERNIBLE) OAK AND THE COASTAL SCRUB. I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF PICTURES TO GIVE US A LOOK AT IT.HAT'S THE FRONT LOOKING NORTH ALONG

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THAT'S LOOKING IMMEDIATELY WEST FROM ACROSS THE ROAD.

AND THIS IS A BIRDS EYE VIEW THAT I THOUGHT WAS HELPFUL.

THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM THE WEST LOOKING EAST.

BUT IT REALLY SHOWS SOME OF THAT VEGETATION THAT STILL EXISTS IN THE PARK. IT DOESN'T AT THE VERY FIRST FRONT PART WHERE I SHOW YOU. BUT AS YOU GET BACK TO THE BACK, SOME OF THIS WOULD BE BUFFERS ALONG THE VERY EDGE.

BUT SOME OF THE INTERNAL -- AND JUST A LITTLE MORE TO SHOW YOU.

THERE ARE SOME SPOTTY AREAS OF IT.

BUT THIS IS ALSO KIND OF SHOWING YOU THE DISTANCE TO THE PARKER ROAD AREA AS WELL. THIS IS ALSO THE DEVELOPMENTAL -- YOU ARE LOOKING FROM THE WEST, LOOKING TO THE NORTHEAST.

AND JUST A LITTLE MORE. THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND THAT.

A LITTLE MORE OF THE VEGETATION THAT REMAINS -- THE COASTAL SCRUB GOES INTO THAT BUFFER. IN AREAS TO SHOW YOU HOW YOU CAN NESTLE THINGS INTO AND UNDER THE EXISTING VEGETATION.

HAT'S THE MARSHLAND COMING IN.

AND THIS IS LOOKING UP TOWARDS THEVILLANO BRIDGE .

OR SOUTH TOWARDS TOWN. WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF VEGETATION ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY.

AND AGAIN, SOME OF THAT IS IN THE BUFFER.

AND WHAT ISN'T WILL BE BETTER FOR THE CAMPSITES TO FIT INTO.

AND YOU CAN SEE YOU ARE ALSO GETTING TO A NICE AREA.

THERE USED TO BE A BOAT RAMP THERE.

THAT'S STILL A LITTLE RELATED TO THAT LAP LAP.E ARE NOT PLANNING ON USING THAT AT THIS POINT.

THIS IS THE RETENTION POND. AND THIS IS THE RETENTION POND THAT HAS BEEN THEREFOR A LONG TIME.

WE WOULD MAINTAIN THAT RETENTION POND .

AND ACTUALLY EXPAND IT A BIT FOR THIS.

AS I SAID, THE REGULATIONS HAVE CHANGED QUITE A BIT.

EVEN THOUGH WE HAD VERY LITTLE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, YOU STILL HAVE TO DOUBLE THAT FOR THE NEWER REGULATIONS.

THIS IS COMING UP. SO YOU CAN SEE THE SOUTH SIDE AND SOME OF THAT VEGETATION THAT WILL REMAIN.

A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT OAK. THE SAME THING LOOKING TOWARDS THAT'S OUTSIDE. THAT'S UP IN THE CORNER.

AND THAT'S IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.

THAT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO THE MULTI-FAMILY (INDISCERNIBLE).

AND THAT'S JUST THE FRONT. IN ONE OF THIS WAS TO SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS. SO NEAR A1A WE HAVE HIGHER SITES. SO AS YOU GO DOWN TOWARDS THE INTERCOASTAL, IT DOES GET LOWER.

SO WHERE WE ARE PUTTING MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS IN THE FRONT AREA. WHICH WILL ELIMINATE FILL ON SOME OF THE OTHER. THERE ALSO IS -- AND I HAVEN'T MENTIONED -- THERE IS A 17 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY RESERVATION FOR STATE ROAD A1A, ALONG WITH A 30 FOOT SCENIC EDGE.

THAT'S THE SCENIC EDGE FOR THE NORTH COASTAL OVERLAY.

SO BASICALLY, YOU HAVE 47 FEET OF AREA BEFORE YOU EVEN START WITH THE BUFFERING AND THINGS THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO BE DOING. SO IN SUMMARY AGAIN, TO RURAL COMMERCIAL (INDISCERNIBLE) WHICH WE DO FEEL IS THE BEST ALTERNATIVE. THE BEST ALTERNATIVE TO RESIDENTIAL FOR THAT INSTEAD OF THE 79 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

AND IT LISTS THOSE LIMITED USES.

BUT I'M GOING TO POP DOWN TO THE ZONING STOP BECAUSE WITHIN THE ZONING AND THE MAJOR MODIFICATIONS, WE HAVE ACTUALLY DONE SOME CHANGES TO VERY MUCH LIMIT THE USES WITHIN THE PUD.

SO THAT THOSE USES AREN'T -- WON'T BE ALLOWABLE WITHIN THIS.

FOR COMPATIBILITY, IT IS ADJACENT TO THE OCEAN SANDS BEACH AND, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL. AND THEY LIKE THE IDEA, BECAUSE THAT'S AN OPTION FOR FRIENDS AND RELATIVES THAT DON'T OWN AN RV TO STAY FAIRLY CLOSE BY. THE SEASIDE OF ALANO CONDOMINIUMS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH.

THERE IS A VERY LARGE BUFFER THERE.EXISTING MARSHLANDS AND THAT UPPER BUFFER THAT I SHOWED YOU.

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SO THAT ACTUALLY KEEPS THEM FROM SEEING MUCH.

CERTAINLY IF IT WAS RESIDENTIAL, YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD THE SITE UP PROBABLY FOUR FEET.

I BELIEVE IT'S FOUR FEET. AND THEN, PUT YOUR HOUSES AT 35 FEET. SO WE'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF THEM THAT THEY PREFER THE CAMPERS.

THEY WON'T SEE THEM. WHERE THE HOUSES, YOU WOULD SEE. AND JUST TO GO BACK.

THIS WAS USED IN MY ORIGINAL PRESENTATION WHEN I WAS WORKING ON THE RESIDENTIAL MANY YEARS AGO.

SO THIS SHOWS THE CAMPGROUND, AGAIN, WHEN WE WERE GETTING READY TO REZONE IT. THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED. AND IT DOES SHOW YOU THAT THE HOUSES ARE KIND OF CLOSE TO THE ROADWAY, BUT THE YARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT -- IT DID NOT PROVIDE FOR THE SAME KIND OF VISITATION BEING PRESERVED. AND AGAIN, IT REQUIRES A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF FILL. JUST BACK TO OUR PROPOSED PLAN.

I WON'T GO INTO ANY DETAILS. I TALKED ABOUT THAT QUITE A BIT. BUT IT SHOWS -- LIMITED -- YOU CAN EVEN SEE WHERE THE ROADS USED TO BE.

THE DRIVES THROUGH IT USED TO BE.

IT WILL BE SIMILAR TO THAT. BUTIT SHOWS YOU THE IMPACT .

THE DIFFERENT IMPACT. AS FOR TRAFFIC? THE CAMPGROUND WILL PROVIDE FOR LESS IMPACT AND LOWER TRAFFIC GENERATION THAN THE RESIDENTIAL ENTITLEMENTS.

AND I DID TALK TO ALL OF YOU ABOUT THAT.

FOR THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD GENERATE 674 DAILY TRIPS. AND FOR THE CAMPGROUND, THAT WOULD BE 460. SO IT'S ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF WHAT WOULD BE -- AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE AM AND PM PEAK HOURS AS WELL. WHICH ARE ALSO QUITE A BIT LESS. WHEN IT COMES TO THE STORM EVACUATION, AS WE MENTIONED CAMPGROUNDS.

WE CHECKED WITH A LOT OF THEM AND WE ARE WORKING ON A PROGRAM TO BE ABLE TO HAND OUT TO CAMPERS.

BUT EVERYONE THAT I HAVE TALKED TO ARE USED TO THESE.

WHEN I WORKED IN NORTH BEACH, THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR. SO AS A CAMPGROUND, THEY DO FOLLOW STORMS. AND REQUIRE EARLY EVACUATION.

AND THAT'S HURRICANES, NOR'EASTER'S, TROPICAL STORMS. AND THOSE ARE WHEN THEY ARE PREDICTED.HEY AREN'T NECESSARILY HERE. THEY ARE PREDICTED TO BE COMING OUR WAY. AND THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT THE CAMPERS ARE MADE AWARE OF WHEN THEY CAMP.

SO THAT'S KIND OF A REDUCTION. THEY WOULD BE GONE.

THEY WOULDN'T BE ON THE ROADS. AND IT WOULD REDUCE THE PUBLIC SERVICE NEEDS AND THE IMPACT TO THE LOCAL RESIDENTS THAT MIGHT NEED TO EVACUATE. AND JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, IF THE 79 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WERE BUILT, THEY PROBABLY HAVE AT LEAST TWO VEHICLES. SO YOU ARE PROBABLY LOOKING AT 158 VEHICLES TRYING TO EVACUATE AT ONE TIME IF THEY ARE ORDERED TO. WATER AND SEWER USAGE.

THAT'S COME UP IN SOME OF OUR MEETINGS.

AS TO THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT. I LOOKED BACK AT IT AND EVALUATED IT. IN THE CAMPGROUND WILL ACTUALLY USE A LOT LESS WATER AND SEWER. SO THE 79 UNITS WOULD GENERATE 50,920 UNITS A DAY. THAT'S ALONG WITH THE UNITS AND CLUBHOUSES. AND THE CAMPGROUND WITH THE CAMPSITES IN COMMERCIAL, THAT'S 15,900.

SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. AND I KNOW THERE ARE CONCERNS IN THE NORTH BEACH AREA ABOUT THAT.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT.OMETHING TO POINT OUT.AS THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW, WE DID AGREE TO AND IT WAS SOME PERCEIVED PROBLEMS WITH THE PCA.

BUT DEFINITELY PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEXT-DOR NEIGHBORS. SO WE HAVE TAKEN THE PERMITTED USES AND I HANDED -- THEY WERE HANDED OUT TO YOU.

YOU HAVE A VERSION OF THE WHOLE PUD TEXT THAT IS ACTUALLY THE STRIKETHROUGH. AND THE OTHER ONE THAT WOULD BE YELLOW ON THE FRONT WOULD HAVE THOSE AREAS THAT WE ARE

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AND I WILL GO THROUGH THEM NOW. AND THAT WAS TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THE THINGS OR CONCERNS ABOUT GAS STATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THIS IS HOW IT READS.

HAVE TO BE USES THAT ARE COMPLEMENTARY TO THE CAMPGROUND USE. IN THE USES WOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE GENERAL STORES, WHICH WOULD BE THINGS LIKE THE PCAMP SUPPLIES, BEACH SUPPLIES, KAYAKS, SUNFISH, BICYCLE RENTALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BAIT AND TACKLE AND FISHING PSUPPLIES. WE LEFT FOOD AND RESTAURANTS, BUT WE ARE LIMITING THOSE TO POOLSIDE OR DOCKSIDE CAF?S OR FOOD TRUCKS. SOMETHING VERY SMALL THAT WOULD BE SERVING THE COMMUNITY OF CAMPERS.

BED-AND-BREAKFAST. WE LEFT ONE OF THOSE IN JUST IN CASE THAT BECAME OVERLY BURDENSOME ON THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR AS WELL. WE INCLUDED PRIMITIVE.

SO WE CAN HAVE SOME PRIMITIVE CAMPSITES.

ADJACENT TO THE BATH HOUSES, IF THAT IS DESIRABLE.

AND FOR THE OUTSIDE STORAGE -- LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT -- THE BOAT TRAILERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT RELATE TO THE CAMPGROUND. AND THEN, WE ALSO ADDED PROHIBITED USES. THOSE WOULD INCLUDE ANY KIND OF ESTABLISHMENT FOR RETAIL SALE OF MOTOR FUELS.

ANY GAS STATION, FARM AND GARDEN SUPPLIES, CARWASHES, OIL CHANGE FACILITIES, TIRE SERVICE CENTERS, NURSERIES, COMMUNITY MARINAS. RETREATS, PRIVATE CLUBS, BOARDING STAPLES, SHOOTING RANGES, CANDLES, AND OUTSIDE STORAGE AS WELL AS AGRICULTURAL MANUFACTURING.

THAT ELIMINATES ALL THE OTHER USES WITHIN THE RC LAND USE DESIGNATION AS WELL AS THOSE THAT ARE UNDER THE CR ZONING.

'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT. I DO HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT I GAVE YOU. THIS SLIDE WAS JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT ALL THE USES THAT ARE GENERALLY ALLOWED IN YOUR ROLE COMMERCIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION.

I KNOW IT'S REALLY SMALL SO YOU CAN'T REALLY READ IT.

BUT IT DOES HAVE THE PERMITTED USES IN THE RURAL COMMERCIAL USE CATEGORY. THOSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL CATEGORY.HOSE IN THE AGRICULTURE. THE EMERGENCY USES AND RESIDENTIAL. SO ALL OF THOSE HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED. SO OVERALL, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS MUCH MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO RETURN THIS TO HOW THE LLANO BEACH USED TO BE. IT'S HOW I WAS WHEN I MOVED HERE. AND IT JUST PROVIDES FOR THOSE CAMPGROUND USES. WE DID MEET WITH MAIN STREET.

EVERYBODY FELT IT WOULD COMPLEMENT THE MAIN STREET FOCUS AS WELL. BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL BE USING THEIR FACILITIES AND SHOPPING IN THEIR PLACES AND EATING IN THERESTAURANTS AND THINGS IN THE TOWN CENTER.

AGAIN, IT REDUCES THE TRAFFIC BY TWO THIRDS LESS THAN THE RESIDENTIAL. AND WHEN PEOPLE COME FOR CAMPGROUNDS, THEY ARE GENERALLY ON-SITE TO ENJOY THE BEACH .

THERE ARE ON-SITE CONVENIENCE ITEMS FOR THEM SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT. THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BRING THEIR -- IF WE GET THE PERMITS AND THE PERMITS ARE JUST ABOUT APPROVED FOR THE BOAT SLIPS -- THEY CAN BRING THEIR BOATS AND KAYAKS AND HAVE THOSE. IT'S ALSO ENOUGH CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH WITH THE TAXI SHUTTLE SERVICE TO MAIN STREET. WHICH ASO GIVES YOU ACCESS TO THE REST OF SAINT AUGUSTINE WITHOUT A CAR.

IMAGINE THAT (LAUGHING)! AGAIN, WE FEEL IT'S MUCH LESS INTRUSIVE. AGAIN, THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS WITH THAT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE, AGAIN AS A .8 PERCENT. THAT'S A PRETTY INCREDIBLE AMOUNT. IN THE MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT AT THE ENTRANCE. BUT IT REDUCES THE FILL IN THE DRIVES. AND THAT LOWER ELEVATION ALSO MAINTAINS THE EXISTING VEGETATION ON SITE.

WE'VE ALL SEEN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL SITES WHEN THEY COME IN AND EVERYBODY IS LIKE WE ARE LOSING ALL THE TREES. WHEN YOU ADD THREE OR FOUR FEET OF FILL, YOU CAN'T KEEP THE TREES.

IN OUR CASE, WE CAN WORK AROUND THAT.

AND AS A FINAL THING, THIS REALLY DOES PROMOTE ECOTOURISM.

IN THE COMP PLAN, I SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON THAT.

BECAUSE THAT'S ANIMPORTANT OBJECTIVE OF THE COUNTY.

IT HAS BEEN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

AND THEY CAN USE THIS RESOURCE .

THIS RESOURCE WILL BE OPEN TO EVERYBODY.

NOT JUST THE 79 HOMES AND RESIDENTS OF THOSE HOMES AND

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BUT TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY OUR COMMUNITY.

AND JUST TO SUM IT UP. SO THE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS -- AND THIS WILL BE TWO DIFFERENT VOTES AS YOU ALL KNOW.

IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

AND THIS IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE GOALS, POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN. ESPECIALLY IN LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION. IT WILL DEFINITELY BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STRATEGIC REGIONAL POLICY PLAN IN THE STATE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND WE ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THOSE AS WELL.

ON TOP OF IT, WE MAINTAIN THE CONSERVATION LAND USE.

FOR THE MAJOR MODIFICATION THAT FURTHER DEFINES AND LIMITS THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE DEVELOPMENT -- AND AGAIN, WE ARE COMMITTING TO JUST THE CAMPGROUND USES.

IF THERE WAS ANYTHING DIFFERENT OR EVEN AN ADDED USE OR ANYTHING WITHIN THE CAMPGROUND, WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A MAJOR MODIFICATION. WHICH IS A TWO HEARING PROCESS.

THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PCA DID FAIL ON A THREE-TO VOTE.

IT WAS HARD TO DETERMINE WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE.

BUT AS I MENTIONED IN HOURS, TRAFFIC SEEMED TO BE AN ISSUE, AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL BEING BY ITSELF IN THE AREA.

SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY -- WE HAVE MET WITH SOME OF THE ADJACENT CONDOMINIUM OWNERS TO THE TO THE SOUTH.

TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS STOP THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE SEEING THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE. AND AGAIN, WE HAD A FAIR NUMBER OF APPROVAL EMAILS FOR THE PCA. WE DID HAVE SOME IN OBJECTION.

THERE WERE SIX IN OBJECTION AND 16 IN SUPPORT.

THERE IS ALSO A WEBSITE CALLED NEXT DOOR.

IN THAT SITE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT AREN'T VERY HAPPY WITH THIS IDEA. I'VE GONE ON JUST A FEW TIMES TO POST SOME PICTURES AND GIVE THEM ALL MY CONTACT INFORMATION. TO AGREE TO TALK TO THEM IF THEY WANT TO CALL ME OR IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE A MEETING.

OR SEE THE SITE. AND I NEVER DID HEAR BACK FROM

ANY OF THOSE FOLKS. >> OKAY.

GREAT. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.

WHY DON'T WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? MR. (INDISCERNIBLE) MAKE SURE YOU START THE TIMER.

>> SO WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON TWO AND THREE.

WHEN WE CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I WANT TO ASK, PLEASE, EVERYONE COME FORWARD. AND STAND AND BE AVAILABLE.

WE HAVE TWO PODIUMS. ONE ON THE LEFT AND ONE ON THE RIGHT. AND I'M GOING TO START THE CLOCK AS YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM.

SO PLEASE, NAME AND ADDRESS. THREE MINUTES.HANK YOU, SIR.

>> MY NAME IS JOHN MCQUADE. I RESIDE AT 3385 COASTAL HIGHWAY. SEASIDE THE LLANO CONDOMINIUMS. OUR 26 CONDOMINIUM UNITS ARE LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED RV RESORT. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE CONDOMINIUM HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY.

I HAVE BEEN A HOMEOWNER OF THE LLANO BEACH FOR FOUR YEARS.

I'VE SEEN ENORMOUS GROWTH IN THAT TIME.

IN MY IMMEDIATE AREA, (INDISCERNIBLE) PARK WAS ADDED AND NOW A DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY TO OUR NORTH.

I'M NOT AGAINST GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAND.

THE LLANO BEACH IS AN INCREDIBLE COMMUNITY.

A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE. IT'S NO SURPRISE PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE HERE. WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH IS UNSUSTAINABLE OVER DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA.I FEEL THE RV RESORT IS A REASONABLE ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY.

AS DISCUSSED, THE PROPERTY WAS IN RV RESORT UP UNTIL 2005.

A SEASIDE OF THE LLANO HOMEOWNER WHO HAS LIVED HERE AND WILL SPEAK SHORTLY, SINCE 1983, IS QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THE PREVIOUS RV RESORT. AND STATED THEY WERE GREAT NEIGHBORS AND PREFERS IT OVER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

AS PRESIDET OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, I SURVEYED THE 26 UNITS FOR MY COMMUNITY. AND THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY PREFERRED THERV RESORT. I'VE ATTENDED NUMEROUS MEETINGS AND REVIEW THE OPTIONS. THE RV RESORT IS A MUCH BETTER CHOICE FOR THAT PIECE OF LAND. BUILDING 45 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND TWO THREE-STORY BUILDINGS WITH 34 TOWNHOUSES IS AN

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IT IS OVER DEVELOPMENT. THE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT WOULD BE IMMENSE. THE BRIGHT LIGHTS FROM THE HOUSES AND STREETLIGHTS WILL ILLUMINATE THE SKY AND DISTURB THE FRAGILE WILDLIFE. I CONSTANTLY HEAR COMPLAINTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA FROM NEIGHBORS IN THE LLANO BEACH AND NORTH BEACH REGARDING SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THE RV RESORT WILL BRING IN OLDER GUESTS AND MATURE ADULTS. THE IMPACT ON THE LAND WILL BE MINIMAL COMPARED TO HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

PLEASE CONSIDER THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS OF SEASIDE OF THE LLANO CONDOMINIUMS AND THE IMPACT ON OUR SLICE OF PARADISE. SINCE 1983, SEASIDE OF THE LLANO RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN CARING STEWARDS OF THE LAND.

WE ASK FOR YOUR HELP IN PREVENTING OVER DEVELOPMENT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WITH 79 HOUSINGUNITS.

IF THE PCA AND COMMISSIONERS ARE CONCERNED WITH THE FUTURE COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY, CONSIDER ADDING AN AMENDMENT STATING THAT IF THE RV RESORT CEASES OPERATIONS THAN THE PROPERTY RETURNS TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE

OPPORTUNITY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

IT WAS A PERFECT THREE MINUTES! >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS JEFF KING. I MET 30 -- SEASIDE THE LLANO.

I'M HERE TO VOTE IN FAVOR FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I'M THE RESIDENT SINCE 1983. I SAW HOW THE LAND WAS MAINTAIN WITH THE RV RESORT IN THE PAST. I FOUND IT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. A BENIGN NEIGHBOR.

CERTAINLY BETTER THAN HAVING 670+ ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC TRIPS PER DAY. AND I READ THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE PCA SAYING THEY DIDN'T THINK -- THEIR VOTE WAS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A RURAL AREA.

I BEG TO DISAGREE. I INVITE ANYBODY TO TAKE A DRIVE TO A1A NORTH FROM WATERFRONT PARK AND YOU WILL SEE THAT IT'S MOSTLY ALL OPEN, RURAL OR SEMI RURAL AREA WOULD JUST SCRUB AND THE SALT MARSH. AND SO, I DO THINK IT IS A RURAL AREA. OR AT LEAST SEMI RURAL.

AND THIS IS KEEPING WITH THE ATMOSPHERE OF THE LLANO BEACH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.

YES MA'AM? >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS LAURA NATE I AND I'M A CURRENT RESIDENT OF SEASIDE THE LLANO. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE SEASIDE OF THE LLANO FOR THE BETTER PART OF 20 YEARS.

WHEN I FIRST PURCHASED MY CONDOMINIUM, THERE WAS A CAMPGROUND IN OPERATION NEXT DOOR.

THEY WERE VERY GOOD NEIGHBORS. A FEW YEARS LATER, THE CAMPGROUND WAS SOLD AND THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN VACANT SIX THEN. THE BUILDINGS OF SEASIDE ALANO HAVE BEEN BUILT 40 YEARS AGO. DAVE WAS STEAD HURRICANES AND NOR'EASTER'S JUST WITHIN THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

THE FOUNDATIONS HAVE HELD UP AND THE PROPERTY HAS DRAINED PROPERLY TO THE SOUTH AS DESIGNED.

RECENTLY, WITH THE B-TREE NOURISHMENT PROJECT, IT SEEMS THAT OUR FOUNDATIONS MIGHT BE SHOWING SIGNS OF SHIFTING WITH THE CONTINUOUS USE OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND POUNDING USED TO INSTALL TONS OF SAND ON THE BEACH AND ASKED WHAT WERE THE BUILDINGS AND PARKING LOTS ARE. ONE RESIDENT HAD A SHOWER DOOR SHATTER WHILE NO ONE WAS HOME. I HAVE NOTICED STAIRSTEP CRACKS APPEARING IN THE CONCRETE BLOCK OF OUR UNIT.

ALTHOUGH DIFFICULT TO PROVE THE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THESE ISSUES, I'M CURRENTLY PLANNING TO PHOTOGRAPH IN DETAIL THE FOUNDATIONS OF ALL FOUR BUILDINGS.

TO DOCUMENT THEIR CONDITION IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THE START OF ANYMORE CONSTRUCTION ADJACENT TO OUR COMPLEX.

FOR THE ABOVE REASON, AND KNOWING THAT THE PROPERTY WOULD NOT ALWAYS REMAIN EMPTY, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE CAMPGROUND BUILT RATHER THAN THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

THE CAMPGROUND WOULD CAUSE FAR LESS DISRUPTION TO THE NATURAL SURROUNDINGS SET AND FAR LESS IMPACT ON ADJACENT COMMUNITIES.

HANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS CHRISTY MCQUADE AND I LIVE AT SEASIDE OF THE LLANO CONDOMINIUMS AT 3385 COASTAL HIGHWAY.

WHICH IS DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED BEACH, RV RESORT.

I'VE HEARD THE DEVELOPERS SPEAK ABOUT THE PROJECT IN A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS. IN A HOSTED A WALK-THROUGH OF THE PROPERTY FOR SEASIDE OF THE LLANO RESIDENTS THIS PAST SATURDAY. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE RV RESORT FOR SEVERAL REASONS. THE AREA IS PART OF THE COASTAL

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THE USE OF FEDERAL DOLLARS SUCH AS FEDERALLY SUBSIDIZED FLOOD INSURANCE IS PROHIBITED IN SUCH ANAREA.

THE RV RESORT WILL MAINTAIN AND ENHANCE THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THE AREA WITH EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING , LOW IMPACT LIGHTING, AND MINIMAL CONSTRUCTION OF PERMANENT STRUCTURES. IF THE CURRENTLY APPROVED PLAN FOR TOWNHOUSES AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES COMES TO FRUITION, DOZENS OF 30 FOOT TALL BUILDINGS, STREETS, DRIVEWAYS, DECKS, PATIOS AND POOLS WILL BE BUILT ON ONE OF THE LAST UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES BETWEEN THE YOU SEEN A BRIDGE AND THE GTM. IF YOU DO NOT APPROVE THE PROPOSED CHANGES, WE AS NEIGHBORS WILL BE FACED WITH YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

THE NOISE AND VIBRATION OF HUGE TRUCKS BRINGING IN ENOUGH DIRT TO RAISE THE GROUND LEVEL IV FEET WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. AND IT WILL DISTURB THE WILDLIFE THAT MAKES THAT PROPERTY HOME.

I KNOW FROM PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF MS. ALLEN PARK AND THE B-TREE NOURISHMENT PROGRAM THAT MY HOME WILL SHAKE, CRACKS WILL DEVELOP AND WALLS.

AND ANY SEMBLANCE OF PEACE AND QUIET WILL BE GONE.

ONCE THE TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ARE BUILT, THERE IS NO GOING BACK. THE RV RESORT IS THE BEST CHOICE TO MAKE THE LEAST IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

AND HELP MAINTAIN THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THE LLANO BEACH.

THANK YOU.> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> MR. JAMES (INDISCERNIBLE). I JUST MOVED HERE FROM MIAMI.

ONE OF THE REASONS I MOVED HERE IS BECAUSE THIS IS LOW DENSITY.

NO HIGH-RISES OR CONDOS PER SE. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED

CAMPGROUND -- RV RESORT. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING. KEITH (NAME) 3385 COASTAL HIGHWAY, UNIT 10. I'M ONE OF THOSE ALANO WATCHDOGS WHO APPEARED IN FRONT OF YOU FOUR YEARS AGO TO STRIDENTLY (LAUGHING) AND EARNESTLY FIGHT THE WIDER MARKET DEVELOPMENT. BECAUSE IT WAS A GROSS OVERUSE OF THIS PROPERTY. I CAN'T TELL YOU AS A LAWYER WHO IS PRACTICE TRANSACTIONAL REAL ESTATE LAW FOR (INDISCERNIBLE) YEARS WHAT A PLEASURABLE EXPERIENCE IT IS BEEN TO DEAL WITH MS. TAYLOR IN THESE DEVELOPERS.

THEY HAVE LOOKED AT EVERY ASPECT OF EVERYTHING THAT THE SEASIDE CONDO HAS RAISED TO THEM.

THEY ARE PROPOSING A PROJECT THAT IS LARGELY PERVIOUS.

IT HAS NO FILL. PRESERVES THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT -- THE TREES, ETC. CREATES AN AMAZING BUFFER TO THE NORTH OF OUR NORTHEASTERN MOST BUILDING.

YOU CAN SEE IT THERE IN THE DARK GREEN IN THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER IN THE FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY.

I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH GOOD ABOUT THIS TEAM.

AND WHAT A GREAT JOB THEY HAVE DONE IN PROPOSING A PROJECT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LLANO BEACH AND NORTH BEACH.

EVERYTHING THEY HAVE DONE HAS BEEN RIGHT UP TO SCALE.

AND THEY HAVE MET EVERY CONCERN.

AND AGAIN, I WAS ONE OF THOSE WATCHDOGS WHO FOUGHT WATERMARK TOOTH AND NAIL. AND I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.PUBLIC COMMENT.

NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, MA'AM?

>> BJ (NAME). WITH THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. SO THE TOWNHOUSES ARE NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT. AND CAN WE GUARANTEE THAT THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE AN RV FOR ETERNITY? AND IT'S NOT JUST THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT AREA THAT GO UP AND DOWN THE COASTAL HIGHWAY. IT'S VERY INTERESTING, TOO, THAT THE PRESENTERS MEET ALL THE BCC MEMBERS BEFORE THESE BOARD MEETINGS. THEN, THEY ARE GIVEN MORE THAN THREE MINUTES TO TALK. AND IT'S BEEN OVER AND A HALF AN HOUR. AND I DON'T SEE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AGAINST THIS. BUT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PCA EXPRESS THE RURAL COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE DOES THE NATION WAS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PORTION OF THE COUNTY.

AND THIS AREA WAS NOT ROLLED STOMACH RURAL IN NATURE.AND WAS NOT JUSTIFIED. IT NEEDS TO BE DENIED.

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THAT'S A SHAME. BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE CAN'T GET UP AND COME TO THESE MEETINGS AND EXPRESS THEIR VIEWPOINTS.

AND NOW, THEY NEED TO BE AWARE THAT WHENEVER YOU START WALKING, OUR THREE MINUTES WILL BE STARTING.

>> MA'AM, PLEASE KEEP ON THE ISSUE --

>> I'M ON THE ISSUE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE ARE BEING TREATED IN THESE MEETINGS. SO YOU JUST NEED TO BE NOTED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING THIS --

>> MA'AM, YOU ARE NOW -- >> THIS IS RUDE.

>> YOU ARE NOW OUT OF ORDER.

ITEMS TWO AND THREE? MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT COMPLETES

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?> I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS. I THINK IT'S A BENEFIT FOR WHAT HAS HARDY BEEN APPROVED. THE TRAFFIC COUNT AND THE ENVIRONMENT. IT'S COMPATIBLE.

IT'S WHAT WAS THERE UP UNTIL 2005.O I WILL VOTE FOR THIS.

AND I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT THERE ARE CRACKS IN THE FOUNDATION. AND THIS IS MORE FOR STAFF -- DO WE HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO GO DO AN INSPECTION? I THINK AFTER WHAT HAPPENED IN SOUTH FLORIDA, IF THERE IS ANY STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCY, THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO CHECK OUT THE BUILDING?

MR. CONRAD? >> A CHECK WITH MR. WHITE AND

GIVE YOU AN ANSWER. >> I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. CONRAD. IN TERMS OF COMPATIBILITY, I

WILL VOTE YES ON THIS PROJECT. >> THANK YOU MR. WHITEHURST.

MR. DEAN. >> I THINK WE'VE HEARD FROM THE RESIDENCE THAT THIS IS A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYONE.

I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE THREE-TO KNOW VOTE ON THE PCA. BUT I THINK THAT HAS BEEN ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED BY THE AMENDMENTS.

SO I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO OTHER

COMMENTS. >> WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND

MAKE YOUR MOTION. >> ALL RIGHT.

I WILL MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANE 2021.

>> 69. >> APPROVING BEACHCOMBER RV RESORT BASED ON FINDING FACTS AND REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> AND IF I MAY, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THOSE REVISIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT

TODAY? >> IN THE TEXT AMENDMENTS.

YES. >> OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.

MR. DEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> NO. I WILL NATION A MOTION ON ITEM 3. A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE -- BEACHCOMBER RV PARK BASED ON

[Items 4 & 5]

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

IT PASSES 5-0. SO NOW WE WILL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 4 AND FIVE. AGENDA FIVE IS A QUASIJUDICIAL MATTER SO WE WILL START WITH DISCLOSURES.

COMMISSIONER (INDISCERNIBLE) WILL START WITH YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> SORRY YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO

ME AGAIN (LAUGHING)! >> ON SEPTEMBER 30, 11:30 I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR, -- AND STAFF.

WE DISCUSSED THE SMALL-SCALE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.

AND ALSO THE DESIRE TO DO THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION STOP NONETHELESS, PRESENTLY RURAL COMMERCIAL.

WE DISCUSSED THE RESERVE OF RIGHT AWAY AND HOW THAT IS CHANGED OVER TIME. AND -- AND BACK TO THE CCC ON

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(INDISCERNIBLE).

>> ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 30, I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR, ED HATCHER, BRIAN MAN TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT.

ALL THE ISSUES COMMISSIONER SMITH JUST POINTED OUT.

WE DISCUSSED. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> ON SEPTEMBER 30 AT 12 PM I MET WITH MS. KAREN TAYLOR, ED HATCHER, AND BRIAN MAN TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT WITH STAFF.

A LOT OF THE SAME CONVERSATIONS THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH HAD.

ANOTHER ONE WE HAD WAS ABOUT THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE IN PROXIMITY TO YOUR AREA (INDISCERNIBLE).

THAT THE BUILDINGS WILL BE HIGHER IN THAT AREA THAN SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL. AND THAT WAS IT.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 20 AT 11:00, I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR, ED HATCHER AND BRIAN MAN AND STAFF TO DISCUSSTHEIR INTENTIONS WITH THIS PROPOSED PROJECT.

THEY DISCUSSED TRAFFIC PATTERNS .

THE HISTORY AND POTENTIAL FUTURE.

AND THEY EXPRESSED THE DESIRE TO REMAIN AN ACTIVE PCA.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. I SPOKE ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, AT APPROXIMATELY 1230. I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR, MR. HATCHER, AND BRIAN MAN TO DISCUSS THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. SOME OF THE TRAFFIC.

AS WELL AS SOME OF THE IMPACTS IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND SOME OTHER COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE COMMISSIONERS AS

WELL. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAGOSSA STREET. AND NAT AND ED AND BRIAN ARE HERE TODAY AS WELL. AND ALEX AGREE IS HERE.

HE IS THE PROJECT ENGINEER ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

AND AS I EXPLAINED TO EVERYONE DISCO I HAD THAT INFORMATION, WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR DECISION ON THE SMALL-SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TODAY.

BUT THEN, ASKING TO BE REMANDED BACK TO PCA FOR SOME CHANGES THAT WE ARE MAKING. TO GO NOVEMBER 4 AND RETURN BACK TO YOU FOR THE MAJOR MODIFICATION IN DECEMBER.

AGAIN, THIS IS AN OVERALL LOCATION MAP.T SHOWS YOU STATE ROAD 16, WHICH COMES UP. IT SHOWS YOU 16 A, WHICH WE ARE LOCATED HERE IN THE CORNER. IN SILVERLAKE PARKWAY.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE 2019 AREA ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.

THAT'S ALL CONNECTED NOW. SO IT LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THAT. AND AGAIN, THIS IS NORTH OF THE COMMERCIAL NODE THAT IS THERE AT INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY.

AND 16. JUST TO BRING YOU IN A LITTLE CLOSER -- IT SHOWS THE AREA UNDER CONSIDERATION.

THIS IS THE WHOLE SITE. AND THE RELATIONSHIP TO SILVERLEAF PARKWAY AS WELL AS 16 AND 69.

16 GOING THIS WAY AS WELL. THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE.

AND IT SHOWS US THAT THE SITE IS RURAL COMMERCIAL.

THE ENTIRE SITE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS OTHER COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL IN THE AREA.

IMMEDIATELY ACROSS, WHICH IS THE HARDWARE STORE.

THERE ARE STILL SOME AGRICULTURAL LANDS.

BUT THEN YOU GET TO RESIDENTIAL A B AND C. AND THERE ARE SOME PUBLIC, WHICH WE KNOW -- THE SCHOOLS IN THE PARKS.

AND JUST THE IMMEDIATE, AS MENTIONED, THERE IS THE HARDWARE STORE THAT IS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ACROSS FROM HERE. THERE IS THE RESIDENTIAL C AND THAT ALLOWS FOR SOME COMMERCIAL USES AS AN OPTION.

THEY HAVE SOME TRADING OFF TO DO THAT THEY CAN DO.

WE STILL HAVE SOME AGRICULTURAL USES AND SOME PASTURE USES.

AND SOME LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ALONG 16 THERE.

AND PARTS OF 16 A. AND OF COURSE, TO THE SOUTH AS WELL.

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A LITTLE R MH IN THE MIDDLE. BUT BASICALLY IT'S A WIRE OR ARE MH. AND OF COURSE, WE ARE A PUD.

AND THAT GIVES YOU A MUCH CLOSER LOOK AT THAT.

SO THE TOTAL SITE IS 13.55 ACRES.

IT'S CLEAR PASTURE. IT'S BEEN PASTURE FOR A LONG TIME. BEFORE THESE GUYS BOUGHT IT FROM ALAN ROBERTS. I THINK IT'S BEEN USED AS A PASTOR FOR LOTS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO RAISE CATTLE.

THE SITE THAT IS SUBJECT TO IT IS THIS, FOR THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. IT WAS AT THE TIME TO KEEP IT AS A SMALL-SCALE AMENDMENT. PLUS THE USES THAT WE ARE PLANNING ON THE BALANCE COULD STAY WITHIN RURAL COMMERCIAL.

SO IT'S 9.8 ACRES. BASICALLY IN THE CORNER AS YOU SEE. THIS SHOWS YOU THE RURAL COMMERCIAL THAT WILL REMAIN. AND THAT'S ON THAT NORTHERN NORTHWEST SIDE.ND THAT'S 3.75 ACRES.

THAT'S JUST THE DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT THE CHANGE WILL BE -- WHERE THE CHANGE WILL BE. AND SO, AGAIN, THE REQUEST HERE IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM RURAL COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL. WHICH IS TO ALLOW FOR THE U-HAUL FACILITY. THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION ALLOWS QUITE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

BUT BASICALLY, WE NEEDED THE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT TYPE OF FACILITY. SO THE PLANS ARE TO CONSTRUCT OF 155,000 SQUARE-FOOT FACILITY ON THE 9.8 ACRES.

THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO CHANGE JUST A LITTLE BIT.

AND WHEN I GET TO THE SITE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THE LOADING AND UNLOADING AREAS, OFFICE SPACE.

EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR LOADING. SHUNTING AREA AND GENERAL BUSINESS OPERATION. THE PORTION THAT IS BEING RETAINED IN THE RURAL COMMERCIAL WOULD BE TO CONSTRUCT A BOAT AND RV STORAGE.

THIS WAS THE APPROVED SITE THAT MR. ROBERTS HAD APPROVED MANY YEARS AGO. AND IT SHOWS YOU THE RETAIL.

IT WAS MUCH MORE OF A TYPE OF SHOPPING CENTER THING FOR THE AREA. CONVENIENCE WITH GAS ON THE CORNER. THIS IS MORE SHOPPING CENTER.

AN OFFICE AND RETAIL IN THE BACK.

BUT IT DID HAVE THE SCENIC EDGE -- THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE COMMUNITY SPACE. AND STORM WATER RETENTION, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH IN THE SAME PLACE AS THIS ONE.

IT ALSO HAD RESERVED RIGHT AWAY ALONG STATE ROAD 16.

AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY CONFIGURED BEFORE SILVERLEAF MADE A LOT OF THEIR CHANGES. WHEN THEY CHANGE THE INTERSECTION THERE WAS A DIFFERENT DESIGN BACK IN THAT DAY AND AGE. BUT WE HAVE KEPT THAT WITHIN HERE. AND I WILL SHOW YOU THAT IS CHANGING. ONE OF THE REASONS FOR ASKING TO POST PAN THE PD. THIS IS JUST SHOWING YOU THE AREA OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE NEW LAND-USE AREA.

FOR THE U-HAUL FACILITY. AND YES, WE ARE ASKINGFOR A HEIGHT OF 50 FEET . COMMERCIAL GENERALLY HAS A 40 FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION. BUT IT ALLOWS FOR ADDITIONAL HEIGHT BASED ON ADDITIONAL SETBACKS.

SO WE INCREASED THE SETBACKS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FOR THAT.

WE DO STILL HAVE THE SCENIC EDGE, AND THE SCENIC EDGE WOULD GO ALONG BOTH ALONG 16 A AND 16.

AND IS INTERIOR TO THE RESERVED RIGHT-OF-WAY AREA.

AS MENTIONED, WE HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS ON 16 A. WE HAVE A MAJOR ACCESS ON STATE ROAD 16.

ORIGINALLY, WE HAD THOUGHT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LINE UP WITH THE HARDWARE STORE, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN UP HERE.

BUT WHEN WE MET WITH DOT, THEY WANTED US FARTHER AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION. AGAIN, THAT YOU SHOWS THE BALANCE OF THE SITE AND THE DEVELOPMENT AREA WITHIN THE RURAL COMMERCIAL AS WELL. THESE I DID SHOW YOU WHEN I MET WITH YOU. AND JUST TO DESCRIBE, THESE ARE PLANS THAT THE COUNTY PROVIDED US.

PROBABLY JULY -- WHATEVER -- TO CHANGE THE IDEA OF WHAT RIGHT-OF-WAY THEY WERE GOING TO NEED FOR STATE ROAD 16.

AND IMPROVEMENTS TO FOUR-LANE THAT SECTION.

SO IT DOES USE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT WAS TRANSFERRED OVER FROM

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BUT IT WILL REQUIRE A CHANGE IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FROM OUR SITE.

THIS IS JUST OVERLAID OVER OUR SITE PLAN.

THIS IS THE OLD SITE PLAN. IT SHOWS YOU THE DIFFERENCE.

SO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WOULD COME UP AND TAKE OVER TO THAT.

AND BEING ABLE TO PUT THE SCENIC EDGE ALONG THERE.

AND SO IN TOTAL, IT WENT 53 FEET.

SO THAT'S ACTUALLY 17 FEET MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD PROPOSED.

BUT IN ONE OF THE PROPORTIONS, IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LESS. SO THE NEW RESERVED RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE HAD RECONFIGURED THE BUILDINGS. AND THIS WOULD BE MORE FOR THE PUD, BUT IT IS SHOWN IN THE OUTLINE FOR THE COMP PLAN.

JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE OF IT. AND AGAIN, IT SHOWS THAT 53 FOOT WITH BEING RESERVED. AND THEN ALONG WITH THE SCENIC EDGE IN THE BUILDINGS. WE HAD A PRELIMINARY THING AND OTHER REASONS CONTINUING THE PUD MODIFICATION TODAY IS THE FACT THAT THEY LOOKED AT THEIR SITE AND THEIR AREA AND THINGS THEY WERE PROJECTING. AND THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO PUT THEIR CONTAINER STORAGE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS USED BY PEOPLE WHO MOVE OVERSEAS. AND THEY WANTED TO PUT IN AN ADDITIONAL FACILITY WHICH WILL ADD ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL 12,000 SQUARE FEET. SO WE WILL HAVE THAT MORE DIRECTLY CONFIGURED WHEN WE COME BACK FOR THE PUD.

AGAIN, JUST SOME PICTURES. THIS IS SHOWING YOU ACE HARDWARE. THE SITE LOOKING ACROSS IT.

THIS IS ALSO ACROSS FROM THAT, LOOKING AT THAT CORNER OF THE PARCEL. AND YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY -- A LITTLE MORE OF THE SITE.

AND THEN, I HAVE A COUPLE OF THESE.

THIS IS STATE ROAD 16 FROM THE SOUTH LOOKING NORTH.

IT'S DEFINITELY CHANGED IN HERE WITH THE CHANGE TO THE SILVERLEAF PARKWAY. AND FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE CHANGES.'M SURE YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IT.

SO THIS INFORMATION IS HERE JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT U-HAUL DOES WORK WITH DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES FOR THEIR ARCHITECTURAL.ND WE HAVE LIMITED HERE -- WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT -- THAT WE WILL ALSO MIMIC THE SAME ARCHITECTURE THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET. AND I COULD GO THROUGH ALL THE THINGS FOR U-HAUL, BUT YOU PROBABLY ALL KNOW SOME OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS. SO AGAIN, TODAY, WE ARE JUST ASKING YOU FOR THE CHANGE FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. AND LEAVING FOR THE 9.8 ACRES.

WE DID CONDUCT TO COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

WE GOT POSITIVE FEEDBACK. IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL FOR BOTH CPA AND THE MODIFICATION.

AND AGAIN, WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR THE APPROVAL FOR THE CPA

AND THE RETURN. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.

COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD?OKAY. WHEN WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT? >> WE NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE. ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE, PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. CHAIR, I SEE NONE.

>> OKAY. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.

COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> I READ THIS IF YOU WANT.

REIT MOTION TO ENACT MOTION -- BRIDLE RIDGE AS PROVIDED IN THE

STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.

>> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> GOOD MORNING.

SENIOR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.

I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT REQUESTED (INDISCERNIBLE) FOR

NOVEMBER 4 (INDISCERNIBLE). >> AND THAT IS TO REMANDED BACK

TO THE PCA OR (INDISCERNIBLE)? >> YEAH STOP REMANDED BACK TO THE PCA FOR THAT SPECIFIC DEPOT SUCK.

>> ALL RIGHT. I'LL MOVE TO HAVE THIS REMANDED BACK TO THE PCA ON NOVEMBER 4, 2021 AND TO BE HEARD AGAIN BY

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THE BCC DECEMBER 7. >> SECOND.>> OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION

[6. CPA (SS) 2019-02 Shaw Property]

PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5-0.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

SO NOW WE WILL MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SHOP PROPERTY.

>> GOOD MORNING. FOR THE RECORD, DOUG BURNETT, 104 SEGER MAIN STREET IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF HOWARD SHAW, THE LANDOWNER WHO HAS BEEN IN HIS PROPERTY FOR A WHILE.

HE COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. HE'S HAD A HEALTH CONCERN.

HE'S QUITE A CHARACTER. I WISH HE WOULD'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE THIS MORNING.

TO ORIENT YOU ON THE PROPERTY. COUNTY ROAD 13 -- WHERE COUNTY ROAD 208 MEETS. JUST SOUTH TO THAT POINT.

LOOKING CLOSELY, YOU CAN SEE MR. SHAW'S PROPERTY IN THIS AREA. FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

ZONING MAP. AND A LITTLE CLOSER, ZOOMED IN.

YOU CAN SEE RIVER PLANTATION TO THE SOUTH.

ONE THING TO NOTE IS AT ONE POINT IN TIME, OUR DRAWING ACTUALLY HAD A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERLAP ON THE SURVEY.

THROUGH THIS AREA, WHICH IS A PRETTY BIG BUFFER BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.

THAT'S BEEN CLEARED UP NOW, I THINK.

WE ARE HERE --. THIS IS A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY. MR. SHAW WOULD TELL YOU THAT THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN SEVEN HOUSES ON HIS PROPERTY.

ONE OF THEM DID BURN DOWN. SO CURRENTLY IF YOU WERE THERE, YOU WOULD SEE SIX. ON THE SURVEY IT SHOWS EIGHT STRUCTURES. SO THAT LEADS YOU TO BELIEVE THERE WAS EIGHT HOUSES. BUT THE REALITY IS ONE OF THEM IS LIKE A BARBECUE PAVILION. IT'S NOT REALLY A HOUSE BUT IT SHOWS UP AS A STRUCTURE ON THE SURVEY.

TAKE A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT THE AERIAL HERE AGAIN.

AND BECAUSE IT'S A COMP AMENDMENT (INDISCERNIBLE).

SO WE DID A PLAN TO SHOW THAT POTENTIALLY YOU COULD EASILY HAVE SEVEN HOUSES WITH THE SHARED ACCESS AND THE LIKE.

I THINK THAT'S THE BIG POINT. IT IS ALWAYS HAD A SHARED ACCESS -- (INDISCERNIBLE). AND I'LL JUST POINT OUT TWO THINGS. MOST OF THESE LOTS TO THE NORTH HAVE REALLY GOOD SEPARATION. THERE ARE COUPLE OF THEM IN THIS LOCATION FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS REALLY ARE BACK FURTHER ON THE PROPERTY. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, IT GETS PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE A STRUCTURE MIGHT BE ON MR. SHAW'S PROPERTY. WHEN WE HAD THE COMMUNITY MEETING, THE THING THAT CAME UP WAS CAN YOU DO SOME BUFFERING? SO WE DREW AND THAT WE WOULD DO A 20 FOOT VEGETATIVE BUFFER ALONG THE NORTH BOUNDARY. WE ARE COMMITTED TO THAT AS PART OF THIS APPROVAL. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. I THINK MOST FOLKS ARE SATISFIED. AND SO THAT'S REALLY IT FOR MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD OR ANY QUESTIONS? DO WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> DO -- I SEE NONE.

>> OKAY. MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY -- MR. BRENT JUST DESCRIBED A PROPOSED 20 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE NORTH EDGE AFTER CONSULTATION WITH SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

MR. BURNETT, CAN YOU DESCRIBE HOW THAT WILL BE ENFORCEABLE OR IN PLACE? HOW WOULD THAT BE? COULD YOU DESCRIBE TO THE BOARD?

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. PERHAPS WE BUT ADD A LINE ON THE TEXT AMENDMENT -- A 20 FOOT NATURAL BUFFER.

WE WOULD CALL IT THE FAR NORTH. IF YOU LOOK IN THE --

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>> AS DEPICTED IN YOUR -- >> YES.

IF YOU LOOK HERE, THIS IS THE NORTH BOUNDARY.

THE TRUTH IS, MR. SHAW OWNS THIS PARCEL

[7. PLNAPPL21-2 Gruenbaum Family Variance (PVZVAR 21-01)]

>> WE TALKED ABOUT LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT WE RECEIVED.

ABOUT SIGNATURES. THE NEXT ONE I HAD WAS SEPTEMBER 30 AT 1 PM. ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AS WELL. THIS HAS ALSO BEEN SUBMITTED INTO PUBLIC RECORD ALREADY. IN HER WRITTEN COMMENTS WHICH IS WHAT WE WENT THROUGH. AND IT IS RECOMMENDED TO (INDISCERNIBLE). I DID RECEIVE A PHONE CALL FROM MRS. BARBARA ROBINSON -- 8:48 PM.

WE TALKED FOR 20 MINUTES. ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

SHE WAS IN SUPPORT OF DENYING THIS VARIANCE I ALSO HAD A TEXT FROM MR. TOM DODSON YESTERDAY, OCTOBER 4, AT 10:07 AM IN SUPPORT OF THE INGRAM'S.

I THINK THIS SHOULD COVER MY DISCLOSURE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. LET'S GO TO (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> YES. ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 30 AROUND 10:00, I MET WITH DOUG (NAME) WHO EXPLAINED THE REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCE AND EXPLAIN THE HARDSHIP INVOLVED.

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SHE WAS THERE AS A CAPACITY OF A BOARD MEMBER TO GO OVER A NUMBER OF ITEMS INCLUDING THIS ONE.

AND SHE BASICALLY EXPLAINED ACTION OF THE PCA.

I RECEIVED SEVERAL LETTERS IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSAL.

AND ALSO, SEVERAL OBJECTING TO IT.

AND THAT COVERS BASICALLY ALL THE POINTS COMMISSIONER SMITH

ALLUDED TO. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 30, AT 1230 I MET WITH MS. JANE (NAME). AND WE DISCUSSED, LIKE COMMISSIONER DEAN SAID, FOR FIVE DIFFERENT ITEMS. ONE WAS THIS. AND ONE OF HER THOUGHTS WERE ON THE PROJECT WAS THE VARIANCE. AND AT 1:00, I MET WITH DOUG BURNETT. I HAD A ZOOM CALL WITH MS. CAROLINE (NAME) AND STAFF. AND WE DISCUSSED THE HARDSHIP SHE'S HAD WITH THE CHILDREN IN THE BACKYARD.

WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. WHAT THEY ANTICIPATED.

I HAVE HAD EMAILS AND LETTERS THAT SHOULD BE UP MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD NOW. AND THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU. MR. WHITEHURST?

>> ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 30 AT 11:30 AM I MET WITH JANE (NAME). ONE OF THE INTERESTING THING FOR MY CONVERSATION IS SHE SAID THAT THE PERSON WHO IS ON THE (INDISCERNIBLE) THERE IS NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE THERE IS NO FINANCIAL STAKE IN THE PROPERTY.

SEPTEMBER 30 AT 2 PM I MET WITH MR. BURNETT.

AND VIRTUALLY WITH MS. CAROLINE (NAME) TO DISCUSS THE DESIRE TO HAVE THE BACKYARD ACCOMMODATE HER TWO SMALL CHILDREN THAT WERE SPECIAL NEEDS. MR. BURNETT ASSERTED THAT THERE WAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. SO AGAIN, I FOUND THAT TO BE PRETTY INTERESTING THAT WE HAVE TWO OPPOSING POINTS OF VIEW.

SEPTEMBER 30 AT 4 PM I HAD A SITE VISIT.

AT 102 OVERLOOK DRIVE WITH MRS. VICKI WINTERS AND MR. THOMAS INGRAM. THEY GAVE ME A TOUR OF THE BACKYARD AND SHOWED ME IN PERSON THEIR CONCERNS.

THAT IT WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THEIR PROPERTY.

IT WOULD AFFECT THE LIFESTYLE THEY HAVE GROWN ACCUSTOMED TO FOR 18 YEARS. ON SEPTEMBER 30 I HAD A PHONE CALL FROM MR. BURNETT RESTATING SOME OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED WITH MS. (NAME) STEP HE ALSO LET ME KNOW THAT I WOULD BE SEEING 250 LETTERS OF SUPPORT, WHICH HE FURNISHED THROUGH EMAIL THE FOLLOWING DAY. I ALSO HAD A TEXT MESSAGE FROM MR. (NAME) YESTERDAY IN SUPPORT OF THEIR POSITIONS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. SO I HAVE SOME SIMILAR DISCLOSURES. I MET ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 23 AT APPROXIMATELY 10 AM WITH MR. DOUG BURNETT.

MS. CAROLINE (NAME) TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT.

AT THAT TIME, DR. OR BOMB MADE ME AWARE OF SOME CONCERNS WITH THEIR CHILD. SOME SAFETY ISSUES CAME UP AS WELL. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF -- ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THEY SHARED THAT THEY FELT WAS IMPORTANT AS TO THE SAFETY. THEIR ATTORNEY, MR. BURNETT, MIMI AWARE OF SOME POTENTIAL CONFLICTS THAT HE BELIEVES MAY HAVE COME UP. SO WE DISCUSSED THAT BRIEFLY.

LATER THAT DAY, ON THURSDAY THE 23RD AT APPROXIMATELY 3 PM, I MET IN PERSON WITH MS. JANE (NAME) WHO IS MEETING FOR -- SHE MADE ME AWARE OF THE BOARD'S REASONING AT THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS MADE AT THAT TIME.

AND WE DISCUSSED THAT THIS PROJECT -- WAS ONE OF THE ONES WE DISCUSSED. I WAS MADE AWARE OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AT THAT MEETING.

ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 28, I HAD A PHONE CALL AT APPROXIMATELY 4 PM WITH MS. VICKI WINTERS, MR. TOM INGRAM WHERE WE DISCUSSED

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IN THEIR INTEREST IN SEEING THIS RESOLVED IN AN CHEMICAL WAY. THEY OUTLINE THEIR CONCERNS WITH THIS VARIANCE. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT OVER THE PHONE. YESTERDAY, AT APPROXIMATELY 9:00 I HAD A TEXT MESSAGE FROM MR. TOM DODDS FOLLOWED BY PHONE CALL WHO WAS A NEIGHBOR AND FRIEND OF MR. INGRAM'S AND VICKI WINTERS WHO EXPRESSED SOME OF HIS CONCERNS.

WITH THIS VARIANCE AND SOME OF THE ISSUES.

I ALSO RECEIVED A PHONE CALL APPROXIMATELY A MONTH AGO FROM -- FROM MIKE PRENSKY WHO IS THE SPIRITUAL LEADER OF (INDISCERNIBLE). HE CALLED ME TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF HIS CONGREGANTS AS WELL.

I'VE ALSO RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS ABOUT THIS MATTER, AS WELL. MOSTLY OPPOSING THIS VARIANCE.

IN ONE OR TWO ALSO SUPPORTING -- THERE WERE ALSO SOME LETTERS PROVIDED BY THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING (NAME).

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, UNLIKE BOTH PARTIES TO COME FORWARD. PATRICK, WE WILL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE. I WOULD LIKE THE PARTIES TO COME FORWARD. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS COMING UP AND WE WILL ADDRESS IT.

SO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO HAVE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY GO OVER THE RULES OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO HANDLE THIS. WE WANT A VERY ORDERLY MEETING.

THESE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETINGS ARE SIMILAR TO A COURT OF LAW OR CONGRESSIONAL HEARING.

THIS IS NOT FOR PEOPLE TO BE DISRUPTIVE AND INTERRUPTING CARRY-ON. WE WANT TO HAVE AN ORDERLY MEETING. WE WILL GO THROUGH THE RULES OF DECORUM, WE WE HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES MAKE A DECISION.

DOES EVERYONE UNDERSTAND THAT? >> YES.

>> THANK YOU. >> TODAY WE HAVE TWO DISTINGUISHED FAMILIES REPRESENTED BY TWO DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE LOCAL FLORIDA BAR.

THERE IS A HEARING FORMAT THAT BOTH OF COUNSEL HAVE AGREED TO.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO DESCRIBE THAT VERY BRIEFLY.

THE BOARD HAS JUST DONE IT'S DISCLOSURE OF X PARTAKE COMMUNICATION. AND IWOULD LIKE TO ASK IF MR. BURNETT OR MR. INGRAM HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT DISCLOSURE

BEFORE WE MOVE ON? >> NO QUESTIONS .

>> YEAH. JUST BRIEFLY.

THERE IS SOME PUBLIC COMMENT ON PEOPLE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THEY HAVE TIME OUTSIDE OF THE 15 MINUTES?

>> YEAH. WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DISCLOSURE OF X PARTAKE OF COMMUNICATION.

P>> JUST ONE CLARIFICATION. MR. CHAIRMAN, IN YOUR CALL WITH VICKI WINTERS, I WAS NOT ON THAT CALL.

I WAS ON THE INVITATION BUT DIDN'T PARTICIPATE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.AT THIS POINT, I'LL READ THROUGH AND GO BACK TO NUMBER 2. THE NEXT ONE WILL BE SWEARING OF WITNESSES AND THE APPELLANT PRESENTATION FOR 15 MINUTES.

THE OPPOSITION PRESENTATION FOR 15 MINUTES.

THEN, PUBLIC COMMENT. AGAIN, FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT PARTIES, BUT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MAY WISH TO COMMENT -- THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL.

THEN, THE APPLICANT WILL BE AFFORDED THREE MINUTES FOR A REBUTTAL. AND THEN, IT'S BACK TO THE BOARD FOR QUESTIONS, ETC. SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE -- FROM BOTH THE APPELLANT AND THE OPPOSITION -- FOR ANY WITNESSES THAT YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE PART OF YOUR PRESENTATIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO SWEAR THEM IN AT THIS TIME. DO YOU HAVE ANY WITNESSES?

>> WE DO. OBVIOUSLY, MY CLIENT IS HERE, BENJAMIN (NAME). AND ADDITIONALLY --

>> CAN WE BRING HIM DOWN AND WE CAN SWEAR EVERYBODY IN

TOGETHER. >> OUR ENGINEER IS HERE.>>

OKAY. >> AND OBVIOUSLY, MY CLIENT IS

HERE. >> AND WHAT WE WILL DO IS CALL FOR THE APPELLANTS WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION WITNESSES.

WE WILL SWEAR IN EVERYONE TOGETHER.

>> SO IF I MAY -- >> EXCUSE ME, CAN YOU SPEAK

INTO THE MICROPHONE? >> WE HAVE TWO EXPERT WITNESSES, UMBRELLAS JUNIOR, AND ROBERT JOHNSON.

>> OH MR. BURNETT, IF YOU COULD HAVE -- WHAT WE WILL DO IS HAVE

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AND THEN, MR. INGRAM, IF YOU COULD HAVE YOUR WITNESSES STATE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD?ND I WILL DO A SWEAR ON OF EVERYONE AT THE SAME TIME.

>> AND BENJAMIN (NAME) (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> I'M STEPHEN (NAME) (INDISCERNIBLE) JACKSONVILLE,

FLORIDA. >> VICKI WINTERS, 102 OVERLOOK

DRIVE PLAN (INDISCERNIBLE). >> THOMAS (INDISCERNIBLE)

OVERLOOK DRIVE. >> AND MORALE IS 3958 BAY MEADOW (INDISCERNIBLE) JACKSONVILLE.

>> ROBERT JOHNSON (INDISCERNIBLE) NEPTUNE BEACH,

FLORIDA. >> THANK YOU.

MR. CHAIR, THERE MAY BE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS.

THEY COULD BE BROUGHT UP AND SWORN IN AT THIS TIME.

OR AT THE BEGINNING OF PUBLIC COMMENT IF THE BOARD CHOOSES? WILL POTENTIALLY HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT COME UP AND GIVE AN OATH. IT CHANGES THE FUNDAMENTAL PROCESS OF HOW YOU CONDUCT BUSINESS AT THE COUNTY MEETINGS. FOLKS SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A COMMENT WITHOUT GIVING AN OATH AS A RITE OF PASSAGE TO COME UP

AND GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT.>> I UNDERSTAND.

WE HAVE WITNESSES TESTIFYING TO FACTS.

THE PUBLIC CAN TESTIFY TO OPINION IN THE BOARD CAN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT IS FACTUAL AND WHAT IS OPINION.

>> RIGHT. AND IF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DO NOT WISH TO BE SWORN, THEY CERTAINLY DO NOT NEED TO BE. ALL RIGHT.

FOR EACH OF THE WITNESSES, IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. TO EACH OF YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? EACH INDICATE BY SAYING I.

OKAY. THE WITNESSES ARE SWORN.

AND WHEN MR. BURNETT IS READY, THE APPLICANT MAY PROCEED WITH

HIS PRESENTATION. >> BEFORE WE DO THAT -- WE DID NOT GIVE MR. INGRAM A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENTS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSE? >> CERTAINLY.HANK YOU.

IT CERTAINLY GOES TO THE WAY IF THE WITNESS CHOOSES TO BE SWORN, I HOPE THEY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

BUT HAVING THE FLOW AND NOT TAKING THE NECESSARY TIME IS

ALSO THINGS -- >> OKAY.

PIECE OF THAT THAT STATES THE OBVIOUS.

SO OFTEN, YOU MAKE A DECISION AS THE COMMISSION WITHOUT SWORN TESTIMONY.T SHOWS THE WEIGHT OF THE TESTIMONY.

(INDISCERNIBLE). >> OKAY.

>> NEXT IS MR. BURNETT. HE WILL BE MAKING A 15 MINUTES -- LIMITED TO 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.

AND SO, THAT IS MR. BURNETT'S CASE IN CHIEF ARGUMENT -- THAT

EVIDENCE. >> THANK YOU.

AND GIVEN THE VERY LIBERAL RULES OF EVIDENCE THAT APPLY IN THIS SETTING, I'M CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BEGIN BY TURNING THIS INTO SOME COURTROOM PROCEEDING. I AM GOING TO PRESENT LIKE A NORMALLY WILL. AND HOPEFULLY THAT GOES WITH THE FLOW. WITH ME IS DR. BENJAMIN (NAME).

A LITTLE BIT OF PROJECT AREA JUST ORIENT YOU.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT (INDISCERNIBLE) BOULEVARD.

MIDWAY UP OF THE BOULEVARD YOU CAN SEE IT'S JUST NORTH OF OVERLOOK DRIVE. THE HOME THERE IS SHOWN.THIS IS FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT. I'M SHOWING AN AERIAL OF THE SITE. ONE THING TO POINT OUT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOME -- AND THE REASON THE PHOTO IS INCLUDED -- WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOME FROM THE STREET, YOU WOULD GET THE IMPRESSION THAT KNOWING WHAT WE ALL KNOW IS IN THE BACKYARD FROM THE FRONT YARD, YOU CAN PLAY HERE.

YOUR KIDS COULD PLAY HERE. IN FACT, THERE ARE TWO CHAIRS TO THE LEFT UNDERNEATH PALM TREES.

YOU CAN GET SHADE AND SIT OUT IN THE FRONT YARD AND WATCH KIDS PLAY. AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW BY NOW AND AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, IT'S JUST NOT PRACTICAL IN THIS SITUATION. THIS IS WHAT'S FACING THE (NAME) FAMILY WHEN THEY IMMEDIATELY COME OUT THERE BACK DOOR. ANOTHER VIEW OF THE TOPOGRAPHY IN THE BACK OF THE YARD. AND OF COURSE, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL -- THIS IS WHAT WAS FILED ON THE APPLICATION.

I KNOW THE STAFF REPORT SEEMS TO SAY WE EDIT OR CHANGE SOMETHING. NO.

THIS IS IT. ONE THING THAT WENT TO THE

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OF COURSE THE (NAME) TOOK THAT EFFORT AND CAME UP WITH THE DESIGN. IT WASN'T ACCEPTED.

DOCTOR, IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE SOME OF YOUR

THOUGHTS? >> HI.

I'M BENJAMIN (NAME). GOOD MORNING.

I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.

MY WIFE CAROLINE AND MYSELF ARE OWNERS OF (INDISCERNIBLE) BOULEVARD. SHE COULDN'T MAKE IT TODAY.

SHE SUFFERING FROM A COVID INFECTION.

I'M A PHYSICIAN. I WAS RECRUITED TO THE MAYO CLINIC. ONE OF THE MAJOR DRAWS WAS TO MOVE DOWN HERE AND RAISE OUR CHILDREN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THIS HAS CREATED A TREMENDOUS BURDEN TO OUR FAMILY, BUT WE WILL NEVER STOP FIGHTING FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR FAMILY.

I ASK YOU NOT TO THINK ABOUT THIS AS IT ISSUE BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT THE FOCUS ON WHAT IS BEST FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. AS A PHYSICIAN, I'VE DEVOTED MY LIFE -- I DO THIS ENTIRELY AS A SAFETY ISSUE.

I ASK YOU TO PLEASE HAVE THE SAME COMPASSION AS WE TRY TO PROTECT OUR HOUSE, OUR FAMILY AND HAVE A SAFE PLACE FOR OUR

CHILDREN. >> DOCTOR, THESE TWO PHOTOS ON FOUNDATION DAMAGE, TODAY FAIRLY AND ACCURATELY DEPICT THE FOUNDATION CRACKING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON?

>> YES. OUR HOME IS SITTING RIGHT ON THAT BULKHEAD. AND IT IS CAUSING THE RISK OF INJURY TO THE FOUNDATION OF OUR HOME (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> LET ME ASK MR. MCCORVEY TO COME UP HERE FOR A MOMENT AND JOIN US. WOULD YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE

YOURSELF? >> GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE.

I'M STEVE MCCORVEY. I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND (INDISCERNIBLE) INSPECTOR IN FLORIDA AND

GEORGIA. >> AND LICENSED HERE IN

FLORIDA? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> BUILDING CONTRACTOR AND AN ENGINEER?

>> CORRECT. >> AN ACTUAL PE?

>> YES. >> AND YOU HAD OCCASION TO GO AND VISIT THIS LOCATION AND INSPECT THE PROPERTY AT

(INDISCERNIBLE)? >> YES.

>> AND AS PART OF THAT, DID YOU PREPARE A REPORT?

>> I DID. >> ANNUAL REPORT WAS PRESENTED TO THE ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD? AND AS PART OF THE PACKET HERE TODAY, CORRECT?

>> YES. >> COULD YOU DISCUSS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS OR FINDINGS THAT ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THE

REPORT? >> YES.

WE INSPECTED THE PROPERTY. THE BULKHEAD IS FAILING.

VERY EXPONENTIALLY AT THIS POINT.

IT'S FEELING AT THE BOTTOM AND THE TOP.

AND AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, IT COULD LEAD TO FURTHER STRUCTURAL AND FOUNDATION ISSUES, AS WELL AS

SAFETY CONCERNS. >> AND YOU HAD SOME INFORMATION THERE THAT IT NEEDS REMEDIATION AT THIS STAGE, AND IT'S REACHED ITS LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR THAT STRUCTURE?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. TO MY KNOWLEDGE I BELIEVE THE BULKHEAD TO BE 25 YEARS OLD. WHICH IS NEAR THE END OF LIFE (INDISCERNIBLE) BULKHEAD. IT'S SHOWING SUBSTANTIAL DETERIORATION. IT'S FAILING MULTIPLE DIFFERENT

LOADS. >> AND ALSO GOING THROUGH THE REST OF YOUR REPORT, AS FAR AS OUR RECOMMENDATION, YOU HAD A RECOMMENDATION IN THERE AS WELL.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT? >> YES.

IT'S TO DEVELOP A NEW BULKHEAD, APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET TOWARDS THE RIVER FROM THE EXISTING BULKHEAD.

TO ALLOW ENOUGH SUITABLE FILL TO BE BACKFILLED AGAINST THE EXISTING FAILING BULKHEAD. AND TO PROVIDE A MORE SUITABLE REPAIR THAN REPLACING THE BULKHEAD.

WHICH WOULD REQUIRE EXTENSIVE PILEDRIVING AND (INDISCERNIBLE) METHODS RELATING DIRECTLY TO THE FOUNDATION AND (INDISCERNIBLE). CAN YOU SHARE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS YOUR BACKGROUND RELATED TO RETAINING WALLS, BULKHEADS, THOSE KINDS OF STRUCTURES? AND WHY YOUR EXPERIENCE AS A PE IS RELATED TO THIS AND NOT, FOR EXAMPLE, SITE CIVIL DEVELOPMENT TYPE OF WORK WE.

>> SURE. I WENT TO THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS IN MY FIRST FEW YEARS.

I SPENT THE BULK OF MY CAREER THERE MODELING FAILURES AND

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FAILURE PLANES. >> MR. MCCORVEY IF YOU COULD

SPEAK UP? >> SORRY.

I SPENT THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF MY CAREER IN THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. MY PRIMARY DUTIES WERE MODELING HUNDREDS OF SLOPE FAILURE ANALYSIS FOR A BUNCH OF THE CANALS AND LEVEES FOR THE ARMY CORPS THROUGHOUT FLORIDA.

SO I'VE GOT SUBSTANTIAL EXPERIENCE WITH RETAINING STRUCTURES AND LARGE FOUNDATIONS.

ALSO, CONSULTING FIRMS WITH QUALITY ASSURANCE ON A LOT OF CONTROL SHAFTS AND LARGE FOUNDATIONS FOR BRIDGES AND RETRAINING TRUCTURES. I'VE ALSO OVERSEEN OVER 100 RETAINING WALL PROJECTS THROUGHOUT MY CAREER.

>> AND MR. MCCORVEY, YOU'VE SEEN DRAWINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED RELATED TO THE PROPOSED RETAINING WALL COMING OUT 20 FEET, AND THIS CONCEPT OF WHAT I WILL CALL DINING THAT WILL GO BACK TO ANCHOR THE RETAINING WALL?

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? >> YES.

SO THOSE ARE GENERIC DETAILS OF WHAT YOU WOULD SEE WITH A STANDARD WALL THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED IN THIS NATURE AND THIS TYPE OF DESIGN. THE DEADMAN DEPENDING ON THE HEIGHT AND TYPE OF WALL AND SLOPE PARAMETERS, THE DEADMAN HAS SUFFICIENT LENGTH AND MASS TO BE INSTALLED BEHIND THE DESK OF THE FAILURE PLANE OF THE SOIL.

WHICH ON LARGER WALLS LIKE THIS, IT COULD EASILY RUN INTO THAT 20 FOOT LENGTH THAT WAS PROPOSED.

>> FINALLY, IN YOUR REPORT, DID YOU ALSO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES?

>> WE DID. AND THOSE WERE PROPOSED THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.WE DID LOOK AT SOME TAPERED OPTIONS AND (INDISCERNIBLE) OPTIONS.

AND THEY WERE NOT THE PRIME OPTION.

BUT WE DID CONSIDER MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

AND THIS IS WHAT WE FEEL LIKE IS THE MOST CONSTRUCTIVE BULL IN SERVICEABLE DESIGN THAT WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH.

>> I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

>> MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, THE HEARING FORMAT DOES PROVIDE THAT THERE MAY BE A CROSS-EXAMINATION OF WITNESSES.

A BRIEF CROSS-EXAMINATION PERTAINING TO THE TESTIMONY.

>> DO WE NEED TO PAUSE THE TIMER?> YES.

>> BEFORE WE DO THAT, HAVE YOU CONCLUDED YOUR REMARKS? OR DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL REMARKS?

>> I STILL HAVE ADDITIONAL REMARKS.

I GUESS, IF MR. INGRAM WANTS TO CONDUCT CROSS-EXAMINATION, I

GUESS THAT'S HIS PREROGATIVE. >> JUST FOLLOWING PROCEDURES.

ALL RIGHT, MR. MCCORVEY. CAN YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. SO FIRST OF ALL, WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THE DRAFTING OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION FOR THE

VARIANCE? >> I WAS NOT.

>> OKAY. SO THE DESIGN OF WHERE THE PROPOSED RETAINING WALL WAS LOCATED, THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, I BELIEVE SO. >> THANK YOU.

YOU SAID IN YOUR REPORT THAT YOU LOOKED AT THE SOUTH YARD OF THE GRUEN BOMBS. SO THAT HOUSES TO TEARS OF

BULKHEADS, DOESN'T IT? >> CORRECT.> DO YOU KNOW THE APPROXIMATE AGE OF THOSE BULKHEADS?

>> SIMILAR TO THE REAR WALL. >> MR. MCCORVEY, AGAIN, IF YOU COULD SPEAK UP WHEN YOU CORRESPOND.

>> IS IT YOUR CONCLUSION THAT WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR THOSE TO BE REPLACED, THAT THE NEW RETAINING WALL NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED 20 FEET FURTHER SOUTH INTO THE INGRAM'S YARD?

>> I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT DESIGN OPTIONS ON THAT SIDE.

>> SO DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS AN ENGINEERING SOLUTION THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT EXISTING BULKHEAD TO BE REPLACED IN SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME LOCATION?

>> POSSIBLY. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE LOADING IS DIFFERENT ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

WITH THE WAY THE HOUSES DESIGN. SO IT COULD POSSIBLY ALSO HAVE

LESS OIL PRESSURE ON THAT SITE. >> BUT THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS QUITE CLOSE TO THAT WALL, IS IT NOT

WE CAN PULL THE SURVEY UP ? >> IT IS.

>> THANK YOU. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

>> MR. CHAIR, MR. BURNETT WILL FINISH HIS PRESENTATION.>> I

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ON. >> I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES? 5 1/2? WHAT WAS IT? LET'S JUST RESET THE CLOCK SO

WE CAN BE FAIR. >> BASED ON THE QUESTION, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT WAS THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD THAT REQUESTED THE ENGINEERS REPORT IN THEIR APRIL HEARING. THAT WAS PREPARED BEFORE THE JULY HEARING. DR. RAMBAM, DID YOU ALSO HAVE SALTY DOG MARINE CONSTRUCTION EVALUATE THE SITE? AND THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE ONES TO DO THIS WORK?

>> YES. >> AND PART OF THAT WAS THAT YOU NEEDED TO REBUILD THE HEIGHT OF THE CURRENT BULKHEAD WITH SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF DIRT TO STABILIZE? AND YOUR CONTRACTOR TOLD YOU THAT THEY ARE COMFORTABLE BUILDING THE WALL IN THAT LOCATION?

>> DOCTOR, IF YOU COULD SPEAK UP?

>> YES, THAT IS TRUE. >> AND HE ALSO FORWARDED AN EMAIL TO THAT EFFECT, WHICH POINTED OUT THAT THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE DISTANCE OF 20 FEET IS THE SAFEST OPTION BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PRESSURE AS YOUR ENGINEERING HAD POINTED OUT?

>> YES. >> AND HE IS NOT ABLE TO MAKE

IT HERE TODAY? >> CORRECT.>> DID YOU ALSO GO TO THE EFFORT TO GET A REAL ESTATE AGENT TO LOOK AT THIS? AND IF IT WAS GOING TO HARM NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTY VALUES?

>> YES. IN REAL ESTATE AGENT WHO SOLD OUR HOUSE IN THE REAL ESTATE WHO UP BY THE HOUSE -- THEY HAVE ALSO SIGNED IN SUPPORT OF US.

>> OTHER HARDSHIPS WHERE THIS WAS GRANTED IN RECENT YEARS? AS I POINTED OUT, OBVIOUSLY EARLIER, BUT THERE ARE TWO OTHERS FURTHER TO THE NORTH. YOU CAN SEE HERE, ON THE AERIAL, TWO OF THOSE LOCATIONS. AND THEN, HOW IT LINES UP AND WHERE THAT BULKHEAD -- THE BULKHEAD UP IN THIS REGION AND IN THISREGION ARE THE TWO OTHER HOMES WHERE WE COME DOWN .

HERE, YOU CAN SEE TO THE SOUTH IS THE INGRAM HOUSE, BOTH HERE AND ON THIS LOCATION. AND ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIV , SEVEN -- I BELIEVE I ACCURATELY COUNTED, IS MR. PENN'S HOME, WHO IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD. HE ALSO SPOKE HEAVILY RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION. IT'S INTERESTING.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE REQUIRE TO PRESENT IS WHAT WAS THE (INDISCERNIBLE)? WHAT WAS AIR COMMITTED? I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT WHETHER THERE WAS AN ACTUAL CONFLICT OR AN APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY, MR. PATTON SHOULD'VE EXCLUDED HIMSELF FROM THAT BOAT. IT COULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT FROM APRIL? THERE ARE FINDINGS OF FACT THAT ARE IN THE NON-ZONING VARIANCE CATEGORY THAT WERE APPLIED HERE. THAT MISTAKE WAS REPEATED IN JULY. THAT'S AN ERROR.

AND IT'S CLEAR. AND WE KNOW IT WAS INCORRECT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN YOUR STAFF REPORT HERE TODAY.THE COUNTY ATTORNEY KNOWS THE PROPER ELEMENTS TO BE APPLIED.

IT'S REALLY THE SAME APPLICATION OF ZONING VARIANCE, NON-ZONING VARIANCE AND LAND DEVELOPMENT VERSUS DISTRICT REGULATIONS. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE AS FAR AS THE BASIC THINGS AS TO WHY WE QUALIFY OR WHY THIS VARIANCE SHOULD BE GRANTED.

IT'S IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST. THIS IS PART OF THE WRITTEN RECORD AS WELL. IT'S VERY CLEAR.

WE BELIEVE WE STRONGLY MEET ALL OF THESE.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS UNIQUE TOPOGRAPHY ON THE SITE.

HARDSHIP -- WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT.

AND HOW LITTLE ENFORCEMENT JUST ISN'T REALLY APPROPRIATE AT THIS STAGE. ONE THING ALSO FOR ERROR.

WHILE YOU ARE PUTTING IN A RETAINING WALL WITHIN 20 FEET OF ANOTHER RETAINING WALL, THAT REQUIRES A WAIVER OF VARIANCE.

BECAUSE RETAINING WALLS CAN BE WITHIN 40 FEET OF EACH OTHER.

ONCE YOU PUT ONE IN FRONT OF THE OTHER AND THERE ABOUT THE SAME HEIGHT, THE EXISTING WALL GOES AWAY.

IT'S PART OF THE FOUNDATION. IT'S NOT LIKE A STOP TEAR -- TO SET UP RETAINING WALLS. THEREFORE, WE SUBMIT TO YOU

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DOCTOR, IF YOU WOULD DISCUSS THESE TWO LETTERS?

>> AS I'VE MENTIONED ALREADY, WE HAVE A CHILD WITH SPECIAL NEEDS. IN A CHILD FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER WAS HIT BY A CAR AND WAS HELICOPTER TO A HOSPITAL.

IN WITHIN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, SOMEBODY COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED OUR MAILBOX BY DRIVING OVER IT. OUR LETTER FROM MY CHILD'S NEUROLOGIST -- I'M WRITING AND CONCERNING MY DAUGHTER.

-- THIS MAY BE CAUSED BY GENETIC (INDISCERNIBLE).

EACH PERSON'S DIFFERENT AND PRESENTATION.

OUR DAUGHTER SUFFERS FROM SEIZURE IMPAIRMENTS AND COORDINATION AND BALANCE ISSUES.

SORRY. >> DOC, I UNDERSTAND.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS -- DO YOU CONCUR?

>> NO. AS A PHYSICIAN, I COMPLETELY

CONCUR. >> AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEEN VERY CHALLENGING TO YOUR FAMILY?

>> OF COURSE. >> AND NOT HAVING AN AREA IN THE BACKYARD THAT IS LEVEL AND FLAT, THAT IS EASY TO FACILITATE YOUR DAUGHTER PLAYING IN YOUR YARD IN A SAFE

MANNER -- >> YES.

SHE DOES NOT HAVE THE REFLEXES TO MOVE OUT OF THE WAY.

>> YOU AND YOUR WIFE, KNOWING THAT --

>> YES. IT'S GOTTEN WORSE SINCE US.

THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT ON OUR STREET --

(INDISCERNIBLE). >> IF I COULD HAVE 60 MORE

SECONDS? >> THAT'S FINE.

WE CAN DO THAT. >> KNOWING THAT YOUR NEIGHBOR TO THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH, MR. INGRAM, IS POLITICALLY CONNECTED, DID YOU FEEL COMPELLED TO NEED TO GO OUT AND SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY FELT ABOUT THIS?

>> YES. >> AND AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, YOU WENT AND CONTACTED FOLKS ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO SEE

WHERE THEY STOOD? >> YES.

>> AND OUT OF THAT, THERE ARE NOW SIX -- I GUESS -- OF THE

NINE. >> YES.

>> -- FULL-TIME RESIDENCE EXCLUDING MR. INGRAM AND MR. PATTON THAT ALL HAVE SIGNED IN SUPPORT, CORRECT? AND THIS IS MR. (NAME) THAT WOUND UP IN THE RECORD.

IT TALKS ABOUT THE PRIOR ACCIDENT WHERE A CHILD WHO RESIDED AT YOUR HOME PRIOR TO YOUR OWNERSHIP GOT HIT BY A

CAR, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> YOU KNOW HOW OVER 250 LETTERS IN SUPPORT?

>> YES. >> AND WE SUBMITTED THOSE YESTERDAY TO THE COMMISSION IN THE COUNTY.

I THINK THE COMMISSION HAS SEEN THIS.

AND ULTIMATELY THIS IS THE REQUEST THAT YOU FEEL IS THE BEST THING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO SECURE YOUR HOME? ESPECIALLY FROM WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD FROM THE ENGINEER RELATED TO THE (INDISCERNIBLE) OF YOUR HOME.

>> I JUST WANT TO PROTECT MY FAMILY (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> THANK YOU. >> DR. ROOM BOMB HAS TESTIFIED AS AN EXPERT IN REGARDS TO HIS DAUGHTER AND I JUST NEED A FEW MINUTES. HI, I'M SORRY WE ARE MEETING AGAIN UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. WELCOME TO PONTEVEDRA IN THE JACKSONVILLE AREA. I DO WANT TO NOTE -- YOUR HOME HAS AN EASEMENT TO THE BEACH, RIGHT?

>> YET. I HAVE ACCESS TO THE BEACH.

>> DOES YOUR FAMILY ENJOY THE BEACH?

>> USUALLY, MY DAUGHTER DOESN'T LIKE (INDISCERNIBLE).

IT GETS WINDY AND SHE DOESN'T LIKE GOING TO THE BEACH.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

IN YOUR HOME IS HOW MANY STORIES?

>> TWO STORIES. >> DOES IT HAVE STAIRS?

>> IT DOES HAVE STAIRS. (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> SO BEFORE YOU BOUGHT THE HOME, YOU REVIEWED IT CAREFULLY TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SUITABLE FOR YOUR FAMILY, BOTH YOUR WIFE

AS WELL AS YOUR CHILDREN? >> WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE VIRTUALLY. I WAS GETTING READY TO WORK AT THE MAYO CLINIC. WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT ALL THE

DETAILS OF (INDISCERNIBLE). >> BUT YOU REVIEWED THE MLS LISTING? THE PHOTOS THAT WERE AVAILABLE

ONLINE? >> YES.

>> OKAY. IS YOUR DAUGHTER ABLE TO CLIMB

STAIRS? >> MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO -- IF I MAY -- INTERJECT HERE. I WAS GOING TO COME BACK AND INSTRUCT THE BOARD THAT MR. (NAME) HAD GONE THROUGH DOCTOR

GEE, IF I MAY --? >> THAT'S FINE.

>> SOME SPECIFICS ABOUT THE FAMILY AND DAUGHTER.

I WAS GOING TO, WHEN THE BOARD WAS READY TO MAKE A DECISION ON

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AND I THINK THIS WILL WORK BOTH FOR THE APPELLANT AND THE OPPOSITION ON THIS. BUT IT DOES SAY HARDSHIP -- THE LITTLE ENFORCEMENT OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE WOULD CAUSE UNDUE HARDSHIP IN THE APPLICANT IN THIS CONTEXT -- PERSONAL, FAMILY OR FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES, ETC. I AM APPRECIATIVE THAT THERE IS A SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD HERE. I WOULD GO BACK TO DR. FAUCI'S EARIER COMMENT -- AND I THINK JUST IN THE GREATER CONTEXT IS THIS FAMILY OWNS THIS PROPERTY. AND IN THE FUTURE, PERHAPS SOME OTHER FAMILY WILL. DIFFERENT FAMILIES HAVE DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES.NY FAMILY, REALLY, CAN HAVE ALMOST ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK IN LINE WITH YOUR CODE, THE BOARD MAY HEAR THAT EVIDENCE.

AND AGAIN, IT'S MORE GIVING AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT FAMILIES MAY HAVE TO FACE AND HOW THEY COULD POSSIBLY MITIGATE.

SO UNLESS MR. INGRAM FEELS ABSOLUTELY THE NEED TO -- I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO CAN DO OR CAN'T DO.

BUT IF THE BOARD WOULD JUST TAKE A GREATER PERSPECTIVE.

FAMILIES HAVE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS WITH THEIR ADULTS

AND THEIR CHILDREN. >> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION

BEFORE I ANSWER THAT? >> HOLD ON.

I WANT TO COME BACK TO THIS REAL QUICK.

PATRICK, I APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THEIR ARGUMENTS.

ET'S COME BACK TO YOU AND HEAR WHAT WE NEED TO TIE UP.

>> SURE. >> DO YOU STILL HAVE QUESTIONS?

>> YET. JUST BRIEFLY.

>> MR. INGRAM, BEFORE WE DO, LET'S FINISH THAT.

THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO. LET'S GET THROUGH THIS AND TRY TO ELIMINATE THIS. GO AHEAD.

>> I JUST WANTED TO SEE, IS THAT COUNSEL'S VIEW AS WELL AS TO THE STANDARD IN THAT PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES OF FAMILY MEMBERS ARE NOT AT ISSUE?

>> I'LL MAKE MY ARGUMENTS DURING MY CLOSING ARGUMENT TIME (INDISCERNIBLE). IT'S NOT MY POSITION TO ANSWER QUESTION OF OPPOSING LEGAL COUNSEL AT THIS TIME.

IT'S CROSS-EXAMINATION (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> OKAY. IN THAT CASE, SO WE HAVE THE LAYER THE STANDARDS OF VARIANCE WITH THE DISABILITIES ACT.

WHILE THEY HAVE NOT USED ANY MAGIC WORDS IN THIS CASE, THEY HAVE POINTED TO CIRCUMSTANCES WITH HER HEALTH.

AS JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS VARIANCE.

AND IT GETS A LITTLE COMPLICATED.

>> I'M JUST GOING TO STOP YOU HERE.

JUST SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAN.

WHY DON'T YOU FINISH ASKING YOUR QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE CAN HEAR FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER

QUESTIONS? >> YEAH.

AND AGAIN -- I WOULDN'T ASK IT IF I DIDN'T THINK WERE IMPORTANT OR PERTINENT. BUT IS YOUR DAUGHTER ABLE TO WALK ON STAIRS? AND I'M SORRY TO BRING UP SUCH

PERSONAL ISSUES -- >> SHE CAN'T MAKE THE STAIRS BY HERSELF. NO.

>> YOU CAN'T MAKE THE STAIRS -- >> SHE CAN WITH HELP.

AND THAT'S WITH GOING TO PHYSICAL THERAPY AND OCCUPATIONAL THERAPY MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> DR., PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.

>> I'M SORRY. YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT THAT?

>> PLEASE. >> I SAID SHE CAN GO UP WITH HELP ONLY IF WE DON'T LET HER GO UP BY YOURSELF.

AND THAT'S WITH MANY PHYSICAL THERAPY, OCCUPATIONAL THERAPY, SPEECH THERAPY -- EVERY TYPE OF THERAPY WE ARE GIVING HER.

MY WIFE CANNOT WORK FULL-TIME BECAUSE OF THAT.

WHEN SHE WAS A CHILD, THEY TOLD HER SHE MAY NEVER WALK.

THIS IS AMAZING (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> SHE HAS THERAPY MULTIPLE TIMES PER WEEK?> YET.

MULTIPLE THERAPY. >> MR. (INDISCERNIBLE) DO YOU

HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS? >> NO.

THANK YOU. >> MR. INGRAM, DON'T GO TOO FAR. GO AHEAD, SIR.

>> WE ADDED A MINUTE TO YOU, TOM.

SO WE'RE GOING TO START THE CLOCK AT 16 MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M TOM INGRAM (INDISCERNIBLE) EAST BAY STREET, JACKSONVILLE'S FLORIDA.

REPRESENTING MY AUNT AND UNCLE (INDISCERNIBLE) INGRAM AND VICKI WINTERS. BASICALLY, THE ESSENCE OF OUR

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THIS LIMITATION ON BULKHEADS HAS BEEN IN PLACE AT LEAST SINCE 1998. THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT NO BULKHEADS BE GREATER THAN FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT.

THEY ARE ASKING FOR THREE TIMES THAT.

THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES. SO WITH REGARDS TO THE HOUSE, WE WILL BE PRESENTING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ABILITY TO REPLACE THE BULKHEAD WALL AND SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME LOCATION. AS WILL BE NEEDED FOR THE SIDE YARD AS WELL, WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

AS TO DESIRING A LEVEL PLACE TO PLAY, THE HOME WAS DESIGNED TO MAXIMIZE THE VIEW TO THE WEST. IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE LARGE, TO BE A RELATIVELY LARGE HOME FOR THE SIZE.

EVERY HOME DESIGN AND DECISION WITH REGARDS TO DEVELOPMENT IS A SERIES OF COMPROMISES. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE HOME SIZE WAS EXPANDED TO ITS MAXIMUM.LSO, THE FRONT YARD -- THE USABLE FRONT YARD WAS EXPANDABLE TO AT OR NEAR ITS MAXIMUM IN TERMS OF PLACES FOR RECREATION OUTDOORS.

NOT ONLY IS THE FRONT YARD ABLE TO BE CONFIGURED FOR PLAY, WITH FENCING OF COURSE, BUT THERE IS ALSO AN EASEMENT THAT PROVIDES ACCESS TO ONE OF THE GREATEST PLAY AREAS THAT WE HAVE IN NORTH FLORIDA, PONTE VEDRA BEACH.

SO I THINK A LOT OF YOU HAVE SEEN SOME OF THESE PICTURES OR VISITED THE SITE. BUT HERE'S THE GENERAL AREA.

THIS IS THE OUTLINE OF BLUE. IT'S ONE OR TWO OVERLOOK DRIVE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BACKYARD OF 102 OVERLOOK DRIVE, OWNED BY THE INGRAM'S, FACES NORTH TOWARDS THE GROUND BOMB HOME.

THESE PHOTOS ARE FROM THE MLS LISTING THAT WAS USED LAST YEAR, WHEN THE HOME WAS UP FOR SALE.

SO EACH OF THESE ARE PULLED DIRECTLY FROM THAT.

AND SIMILAR PHOTOS IF NOT IDENTICAL ARE ALSO ON SOLO.

THAT'S THE FRONT YARD. THIS IS SOME OF THE REAR.

THIS IS SOME OF THE BACKYARD AREA AT THE BOTTOM.

THIS IS A VIEW FACING TO THE EAST, SHOWING THAT THERE IS NOT A GRASSED YARD. IT'S NATURAL.

THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING TOWARDS THE WEST FROM THE GROUND BOMB BACK PATIO AREA OVER THE MARSH AREA.

SO AGAIN, IT'S SHOWING THAT THERE IS NO GRASSED BACKYARD AREA. IN THIS HOME WAS SOLD IN OCTOBER 2022 THE GROUNDBOMBS, ACCORDING TO THE MLS LISTING.

THIS IS THE INGRAM'S BACKYARD . AGAIN, THEY HAVE LIVED THERE FOR MANY YEARS. AND IT SHOWS THE GENERAL CONTEXT. THEY ALSO HAVE THE SIDE YARD.

YOU CAN SEE THE TWO-STORY STRUCTURE IS CAMOUFLAGED BEHIND SOME OF THE VEGETATIONS THAT THE INGRAM'S HAVE DONE.

SO BASICALLY, THE LITTLE GAP OF LIGHT AND AIR THAT COMES INTO THE BACKYARD, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THAT'S WHAT HAS CAUSED CONCERN.

YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACK, THERE IS A 12 FOOT HIGH WOODEN BOARD STICKING OUT TO TRY TO GIVE A SENSE OF THE HEIGHT AND SCALE OF THE PROPOSED RETAINING WALL. HIS IS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THEIR DESIGN, WHICH INCLUDES AN ANCHORING SYSTEM. SO WITH THAT, I'LL SHOW YOU -- THIS IS OBVIOUSLY PHOTOSHOPPED, BUT TRY TO GIVE A SENSE OF SCALE. THIS WOULD CONTINUE THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING BULKHEAD WHILE ANOTHER 20 FEET TO THE WEST.

AND MRS. WINTERS IS THERE, STANDING TO GIVE A SENSE OF SCALE. SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO

INTRODUCE ADMIRAL ALICE JUNIOR. >> HI.

ADMIRAL ALICE JUNIOR. I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER REGISTERED IN FLORIDA FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

I STARTED MY CAREER WITH DOT AND WORKED MY WAY AS A CONSULTANT. WORKING FOR FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL AND DEVELOPERS AND HOMEOWNERS.

THE CONCENTRATION OF MY CAREER LATELY HAS BEEN BULKHEADS AND WATERFRONT STRUCTURES ALL UP AND DOWN ST. JOHN'S RIVERS.

BULKHEADS ON THE BEACH. DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE ON THE ST. JOHNS RIVER. AND CURRENTLY WORKING ON A SLEW

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SO I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH BULKHEADS.

AND INSPECTING THEM. DESIGNING AND REPAIRS.

TYPICAL REPLACEMENTS IN FLORIDA ALLOW FOR AN 18 INCH UPSET FROM THE EXISTING WALL TO THE BASE OF THE NEW WALL.

THIS IS AN ENTITLEMENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER SO THEY CAN REPLACE THE WALL IN VARIOUS SITUATIONS.

IN THIS SITUATION, WE DO HAVE A SLOPE AT THE PART OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. WE HAVE A TIMBER HEAD THAT IS IN POOR CONDITION. THIS IS BASED ON THE REPORT THAT I REVIEWED. IT IS VERY TRUE THAT THE 25 YEAR LIFESPAN IS A GOOD NUMBER. MOST OF THESE WALLS TO LAST LONGER. BUT AT THAT POINT, THEY ARE IN NEED OF SERIOUS REPAIR OR ATTENTION.

IT'S ALSO TRUE THAT IF YOU WERE TRYING TO BUILD A WALL, THE CONTRACTOR MIGHT BE HESITANT. BECAUSE THE WALL MAY NEED SOME REMEDIAL ACTION JUST SO YOU COULD PUT THE NEW WALL.

IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T DO IT.

A NEW WALL LOCATED 18 INCHES FROM THIS WALL WOULD BE VERY POSSIBLE. IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

BY EXTENDING THE WALL 20 FEET BACK IN THIS LOCATION, YOU WERE BRINGING IN A LOT OF FILL AND STABILIZING THE SLOPE BY REMOVING THE VEGETATION, YOU MIGHT CREATE MORE PROBLEMS THAN YOU WILL SOLVE. AND THEN, THE OTHER COMMENT WAS ON THE SIDE WALL. THEY ARE AS OLD AS THE ORIGINAL BACK WALL. AND THEY WILL EVENTUALLY NEED TO BE REPAIRED. THE ANCHOR SYSTEM THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS TYPE OF REPAIR WOULD BE A HELICAL ANCHOR SYSTEM. THOSE ARE SCREWS THAT ARE SCREWED INTO THE SOIL AT AN ANGLE SUCH THAT THEY GO BELOW THE EXISTING FOUNDATION, THROUGH THE OLD WALL, AND PROVIDE A POSITIVE ANCHOR SYSTEM THAT YOU CAN VERIFY THE CAPACITY. IN THE WALL WOULD BEDESIGNED TO SUPPORT THE STRUCTURAL LOADS IMPOSED BY THE HOUSE'S FOUNDATION . (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL

(INDISCERNIBLE) (INAUDIBLE). >> ROBERT JOHNSON FOLLOWED BY

VICKI INGRAM. >> HELLO.

I CAME TO THE SECOND HEARING IN SUPPORT OF --

>> MR. JOHNSON, IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF?

>> ROBERT JOHNSON, (INDISCERNIBLE) NEPTUNE BEACH, FLORIDA. I CAME TO THE SECOND HEARING IN SUPPORT OF DOUG AND VICKI'S OBJECTION TO THE VARIANCE.

I'VE KNOWN THEM FOR MORE THAN 35 YEARS.

WE'VE GROWN VERY CLOSE. I REMEMBER GOING TO THE HOME BEFORE THEY BOUGHT IT. AND SAW IT AND SAW THAT THE BACKYARD WAS KIND OF LOW -- VERY LOW COMPARED THE HOME NEXT TO IT. AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT THEY WOULD DO TO GET RID OF THE APPEARANCE OF THE WALL THAT WAS THERE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURES, MR. INGRAM SHOWED A LITTLE WHILE AGO, THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB. THEY PUT IN A SWIMMING POOL THERE. AND LANDSCAPING THAT IS MATURE SO THAT IT HIDES THE SIDE OF THE EXISTING WALL BESIDE THEM.

THEY HAVE A GREAT VIEW TO THE WEST AND TO THE NORTHWEST.

THAT VIEW WILL DISAPPEAR WITH THE NEW WALL THAT IS PROPOSED BY THE CURRENT OWNERS OF THE HOME.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER BY DEGREE.

BUT I AM A LICENSED, CERTIFIED CONTRACTOR IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND HOLD A SIMILAR LICENSE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA FOR MANY YEARS. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF FACILITIES AND DEEPWATER PORTS.

MANY OF OUR STRUCTURES ARE BUILT ON PILINGS.

I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH PILING.

AND RECENTLY, PRIOR TO MY RETIREMENT, WE BUILT SYSTEMS SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT MR. MORALES HAS PROPOSED WITHIN 18 TO 24 INCHES OF EXISTING BULKHEADS.

AND WE DID THAT AND DEEPWATER PORTS AND FOR DOLPHY, BALTIMORE, AMSTERDAM AND (INDISCERNIBLE).

I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME MANAGING THOSE PROJECTS.ND

THE BALL WORKED VERY WELL. >> THANK YOU.

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WE HAVE LIVED IN PONTE VEDRA FOR 33 YEARS AND AT OUR CURRENT ADDRESS FOR 18 YEARS. WE CONTINUE TO BE OPPOSED DUE TO THE HEIGHT DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES AND THE INCOMPATIBILITY OF THE PROPOSED BULK HEAD AT 730 PONTE VEDRA.

WE HAVE SUPPLIED A DIFFERENT SOLUTION.

WE SUPPORT THE NEED FOR SAFETY OF THE HOME AND HAVE GIVEN SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO THE APPLICANT'S FOUNDATION AND BULK HEAD ISSUES AS WELL AS THE ISSUES REVOLVING AROUND THEIR DAUGHTER'S SPECIAL NEEDS. HOWEVER, WE DO KNOW THAT THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD BY WHICH THIS BULK HEAD COULD BE PRESERVED AND CORRECTED FOR SAFETY ISSUES.

ADDITIONALLY, OUR TWO HOMES AS NOTED HAVE WALKABLE ACCESS TO THE BEACH, WHICH WE HAVE RAISED TWO GRANDCHILDREN IN OUR AREA AND TAKEN WELL ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT WE HAVE A BEACH IN FRONT OF US TO ENJOY AT ALL TIMES. WE BELIEVE THE PROPOSED 12 FOOT WALL WITH ADDITIONAL FOUR FOOT FENCE WOULD DIMINISH OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. PRIOR TO CLOSING ON OUR HOME 18 YEARS AGO, WE DID SUBSTANTIAL RESEARCH AND EXECUTED DUE DILIGENCE AS TO THE ABILITY TO PLACE EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING IN OUR YARD TO CAMOUFLAGE THE LARGE HOME THAT BLOOMED ABOVE US.

AT THE TIME IN 2004, WE SPENT $100,000 TO PUT A POOL ON SITE

>> THE DESIGN WE IMPLEMENTED AT THAT TIME NEVER FORESAW AN OWNER TO THE NORTH WOULD SEEK A ZONING ORDINANCE TO ENCROACH UPON THE SPACE. WE HAVE BEEN PLACED IN A HARDSHIP TO DEFEND OUR FREEDOM OF ENJOYMENT AND PRIVACY WHERE THE OWNERS OF 730 PONTE VEDRA PURCHASED THEIR HOME SITE UNSEEN AS SUBSTANTIATED AT THE PONTE VEDRA MEETING AND THEN ONE.

INDIVIDUALS WHO STAND ON THEIR PROPERTY WILL BE LOOMING OVER US INTO OUR YARD. GENTLEMEN I HAVE RETIRED AFTER 45 YEARS OF EMPLOYMENT IN THE HOPE OF ENJOYING A LIFESTYLE WE HAVE CREATED IN PONTE VEDRA. I SEEK YOUR SUPPORT IN DENYING THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN THE LIGHT OF THE FACT THE BULK HEAD CAN BE REPAIRED IN ALTERNATIVE MANNER.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS BELK INGRAM. THOMAS INGRAM.

I GO BY BELK TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE ATTORNEY.

I APPEARED WHEN 724 PONTE VEDRA WAS REQUESTING A VARIANCE.

TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, I SAID I WAS NOT OPPOSED TO THEIR VARIANCE BUT DID NOT WANT IT TO SET A PRECEDENT FOR THAT TO CONTINUE. MY HOUSE SITS 10 FEET BELOW THE OTHER ELEVATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE VARIANCE THAT SIT ON THE SAME LEVEL. THERE'S NO INCONVENIENCE TO THEM. ALSO I WOULD LIKE -- CAN I USE

THIS? >> PLEASE, YES.

THIS IS OFF OF THE MLS AS DR. GRUNBALM ALLUDED TO HOW HE BOUGHT HIS HOUSE WITHOUT VISITING.

YOU CAN EASILY SEE HE DID NOT HAVE A BACKYARD AND WE FEEL THAT HE BOUGHT HIS HARDSHIP NEEDING A BACKYARD.

YOU KNOW WELL THAT DOESN'T HAVE ONE.

YOU JUST WONDER ABOUT THAT. WITH ALL THIS, WITH THEM WANTING

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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION AND IN SUM, THERE'S NO HARDSHIP HERE AND AS TO THE NEEDS OF THE DAUGHTER, THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES.

IT'S UNREASONABLE TO CAUSE THIS VARIANCE TO PUT SUCH A HARDSHIP ON MY CLIENT'S. FINALLY WITH REGARDS TO MR. PATENT. IF FRIENDSHIPS WITH PUBLIC OFFICIALS IS WRONG, WE'RE ALL IN TROUBLE.

I THINK THE PONTE VEDRA ADJUSTMENT AND ZONING BOARD HAS

THE FIRST LOOK ON THIS. >> MR. INGRAM.

IF WE COULD HAVE THE PHOTO PUT IN RECORD.

>> ALSO, MR. BURNETT. MR. BURNETT.

SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY CROSS-EXAMINATION?

>> NO CROSS-EXAMINATION, SIR. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. SO AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY.

WE WILL NOW TAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7.

SORRY. IF YOU ARE GOING TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND STAND BY SO WE CAN

MOVE ALONG SWIFTLY. >> MY NAME IS BOB WICKER.

I LIVE AT 347 EXCUSE ME, SAN JUAN DRIVE.

I'M HERE JUST TO COMMENT ON THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL.

WHEN VARIANCES ARE GRANTED AND I HAVE ONE GRANTED NEAR ME, WENT FROM FOUR FEET TO SEVEN FEET AND IT'S SUCH A PERMANENT SITUATION.

ONCE IT'S DONE, IT'S DONE. ON ONE SIDE OF THE WALL IS PLEASURABLE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT.

WHEN YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT IT.

I URGE THE COMMISSION TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

ONCE IT'S DONE. IT'S DONE.

12 FOOT WALLS ARE REALLY INACCESSIBLE.

>> THANK YOU. >> HELLO.

MY NAME IS STEW STEDGWICK. >> I AM HERE TO LEND MY SUPPORT

TO THE INGRAMS. >> I HAVE KNOWN BELK AND BEEN GOOD FRIENDS WITH THE FAMILY FOR OVER 35 YEARS.

WE HAVE ENJOYED SO MANY ACTIVITIES AT THE INGRAM RESIDENCE AND THEIR BEAUTIFUL BACKYARD.

I'M JUST THINKING THIS 12 FOOT HIGH WALL WILL IMPEDE THEIR PRIVACY, THEIR ENJOYMENT OF THE BACKYARD.

IT WILL DEFINITELY ALTER THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THAT AREA BACK THERE. AND I THINK IT WOULD REALLY HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THEIR ABLE TO ENJOY THAT AREA.

SO I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO YOU KNOW, CONSIDER NOT GRANTING THIS

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ROD BEE BRACE.

I NEE ROD -- RODNEY BRACE ON SALT WATER BOULEVARD.

I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PONTE VEDRA FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS AND KNOWN THE INGRAM FOR ABOUT THAT TIME.

MOVED FROM THE CITY OF CORAL SPRINGS IN BROWARD COUNTY WHERE I WAS A COMMERCIAL BANKER AND ALSO SERVED ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD FOR THE CITY OF CORAL SPRINGS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE I TOOK A CORPORATE TRANSFER TO NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

THE REASON THAT I CHOSE TO LIVE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS BUSY OF THE ORDINANCES. WHETHER HEIGHT ORDINANCES ON THE BEACH. ANY DEED RESTRICTIONS OF SUCH REMIND ME A LOT OF WHAT I ENFORCED WITH THE CITY OF CORAL SPRINGS SERVING ON THEIR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

IT SHOWS A PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP THAT THOSE RULES AND REGULATIONS

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TO BUILD OVER A FOUR MILE SIDEWALK THAT IS USED TODAY BY MANY RESIDENTS, WHETHER JOGGING, WALKING OR WHATEVER.

IT SHOWS THE INGRAMS HAVE THAT PROVIDE OF OWNERSHIP.

WHAT WE'RE CONFRONTED WITH IS THE 12 FOOT WALL IN THEIR BACKYARD. I BELIEVE THAT THE GRUDENBAUM'S REQUEST IS TOTALLY UNREASONABLE. 12 FOOT WALL.

20 FEET ALONG GOING INTO THEIR BACKYARD.

I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT WANT THAT IN MY BACKYARD.

AND I ASSUME THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE IN THIS ROOM THIS MORNING WOULD NOT WANT THAT WALL IN THEIR BACKYARD.

SO, I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE INGRAM'S AND THEIR OPPOSITION FOR THIS VARIANCE TO BE APPROVED THANK

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> YES.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JOHN SALUCCI.

I LIVE ACROSS THE BOARD FROM THE INGRAMS. AS A PRIOR MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, I REVIEWED THE TWO HEARINGS IN APRIL AND IN JULY AND AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE FOR MANY OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN STATED TODAY.

I FEEL THAT'S THE SHOWCASE HOUSE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT OF THE VALUE AND THAT'S BEEN TESTIFIED EARLIER BY A REAL ESTATE EXPERT THAT THE INGRAM'S BROUGHT UP AND OF COURSE IF IT EFFECTS THEIR PROPERTY, IT WILL ALSO AFFECT MINE ACROSS THE STREET. I THINK THERE'S ALTERNATE METHODS AND IF I WERE ON THE BOARD STILL, I WOULD HAVE VOTED TO DENY IT AS THANK

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS DAVID BOLEY. I LIVE AT 104 OVERLOOK DRIVE.

PONTE VEDRA PLACE IS OUR COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE 15 MINUTES. MY HOUSE AT 104 IS 1 HOUSE SOUTH OF 102 FACING EAST. THERE ARE 9-15 HOMES THAT BACK UP TO THE BEAUTIFUL MARSH AND I RECEIVED A LETTER IN MARCH BASED ON THE FIRST VARIANCE REQUEST. I WROTE A LETTER OR AN E-MAIL TO THE ZONING AND ADJUSTING BOARD VOICING MY OPINION TO AGAINST IT. I DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT THE ORIGINAL REQUEST HAD A CHANCE TO PASS BECAUSE VARIANCES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE APPROVED IF THEY ARE DETRIMENTAL TO ANOTHER PARTY AND THIS WAS A 12 FOOT WALL WHICH WOULD BE WELL IN EXCESS OF THE FOUR FOOT CURRENT STANDARD. IT'S MASSIVE.

YOU HAVE SEEN THE PICTURES. IF THIS BOARD NEEDS TO CONSIDER, I BELIEVE THIS BOARD NEEDS TO CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL PROPERTY VALUE DECLINE IF THIS 12 FOOT WALL BETWEEN 735 AND 102 OVER LOOK IS CONSTRUCTED, I FEEL I QUALIFY TO SPEAK TO THIS FOR FOUR REASONS. NUMBER ONE MY WIFE AGGIE HAS BEEN A REALTOR FOR 17 YEARS. I SUPPORT MY WIFE WITH ALL HER ACTIVITIES INCLUDING TRANSACTION ELEMENTS CERTAINLY.

ASIDE FROM OUR TWO PRIMARY RESIDENCES, WE HAVE PURCHASED A SIXTH RESIDENTIAL INVESTMENT PROPERTY.

THREE HAVE BEEN FLIPPED. ONE IS LISTED.

ONE IS STILL UNDER WORK AND ONE IS OCCUPIED.

FINALLY WE ARE MINORITY OWNERS OF A NATIONAL REAL ESTATE FIRM.

I THINK I QUALIFY TO SPEAK TO PROPERTY VALUES.

FINALLY, I THINK I CONTACTED AN APPRAISER THAT DOES WORK WITH KELLER WILLIAMS AND MANY OTHERS, HE DOES WORK IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I JUST ASKED HIM WHETHER A 12

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I WOULD CONTEND IT'S 24 FEET. I ASKED HIM WOULD THERE BE AN IMPACT ON THE APPRAISAL AND HE SAID, IT WOULD DEFINITELY EFFECT THE MERIT ABILITY OF THE PROPERTY.

I MAINTAIN MY OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED.

>> THANK YOU. SIR.

MORE PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MA'AM.

>> B.J. KLATY, 8 NEWSOME, ST. AUGUSTINE.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SITE PLAN AND THE ATTORNEY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS SAID TODAY IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY WHATEVER YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET IS THE SAME THING YOU HAD IN THE APRIL 5TH, 2021, PZA BOARD MEETING.

SO IS THAT TRUE? ARE WE REALLY DEALING WITH THAT SITE PLAN? AND THE OTHER THING IS, IT'S JUST ODD TO ME. YOU BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN PONTE VEDRA BEACH LOOKING AT A PICTURE AND NOT GOING TO THE PROPERTY? OH, MY.

OH, MY, OH, MY. I WILL NEVER GET UP THERE AND THIS 12 FOOT DEAL. I HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE RIGHT NEXT TO MY PROPERTY. EIGHT FEET AND I'M TRYING TO IMAGINE 12 FEET. WE WANT THEIR KIDS HERE AND THERE. BUT I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ABLE TO GET UP HERE TODAY AND SPEAK.

FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND REGARDING TO THE 250 E-MAILS SUPPORTING.

SO, I GO ALONG WITH THEM. PEOPLE GO UP AND DOWN KOSTA HIGHWAY. I LOOK AT THE WATER IF YOU CAN GET TO THE WATER. IT'S A JOY TO LIVE UP THERE.

WE HAVE A COMP PLAN AND ZONING LAWS.

LET'S ENFORCE THEM AND UPHOLD THE PZA'S DECISION AND DENY THIS VARIANCE. THANK YOU.

>> HI, I'M SONIA LUNDE GREN AND LIVE AT 726 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. 100 FEET AWAY.

ONE HOUSE IN BETWEEN THAT THEY HAD A VARIANCE FOR A BULK HEAD, MYSELF, 12 FEET, 12-14. HAD NO YARD.

MY OTHER NEIGHBOR SO I WOULD SAY THERE'S EIGHT HOUSES DIRECTLY ALL IN A LINE. WE ALL APPLIED FOR A VARIANCE AND WAS AWARDED IT. I MEAN LOOK WHAT THIS HAS COME TO. I REALLY DON'T KNOW EITHER ONE OF THEM. I THINK THIS FAMILY IT'S THEIR PROPERTY. THEY DESERVE THIS.

THEY DESERVE A YARD. THEY HAVE TWO LITTLE GIRLS, VERSUS A VIEW. A GUY THAT'S BEEN HERE 30 YEARS, I WAS A LITTLE APPALLED ABOUT HIM ASKING ABOUT THE DAUGHTER.

>> MADAM, ADDRESS THE BOARD. >> ANYWAY.

HE AT THE SAME TIME THEY COULD SAY, THEY BOUGHT THIS HOUSE SIGHT UNSEEN WHICH IS ACTUALLY VERY UNCOMMON.

AS FAR AS PROPERTY VALUE, THE HOUSE DIRECTLY NEXT TO ME THAT GOT A VARIANCE ALSO THAT MR. PATTON AGREED FOR ALL OF OURS.

AND I DO THINK HE SHOULD HAVE RECUSED HIMSELF.

I'M SURE HE'S A GUY OF GREAT INTEGRITY, IT'S JUST THE LOOK.

MR. BELK, HE BOUGHT HIS HOUSE KNOWING HE WAS WELL BELOW THIS OTHER HOUSE AND HE HAS GOT A BEAUTIFUL OASIS.

AND AS YOU NOTICE THE WORDING OF HIS WIFE SAID, A LIFE THEY HAVE BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO. THEIR VIEW.

THEY DON'T WANT ANYONE TO IMPROVE ON ANYTHING OR TO IMPEND ON WHAT IS THEIRS. I'M JUST SAD THAT THE GRUNBAUMES, A NICE JEWISH FAMILY COMES DOWN FROM CONNECTICUT TO HELP THIS COMMUNITY AND FACED AGAINST WHAT I CALL THE GOOD OLD

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WE COME ENJOY IT. BUT THEY CAN'T BUILD SOMETHING ON THEIR YARD. I MEAN REALLY, ARE YOU GOING TO SPEND $100,000 FOR 18 INCHES? IN THE BACK THAT THEY WANT THEM TO JUST BUILD. I JUST YOU KNOW, I AM JUST VERY SAD THAT SOCIETY HAS COME TO THIS, AND I THINK THE GRUNBALMS JUST LIKE THE REST OF US WERE ALLOWED TO BUILD A BULK AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS ON THEIR PROPERTY.

THESE PICTURES VERY DECEIVING. >> MA'AM, YOU NEED

UP. >> THANK YOU.

>> CAN I JUST ADD ONE THING? >> MA'AM, WE HAVE TO

EVERYONE. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR. MR. BURNETT.

SIR. PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CLOSED.

MR. BURNETT. FIVE MINUTES.

>> THREE, THREE. THERE'S TWO SLIDES THAT LOOK THE SAME TOWARDS THE END. MAYBE 10 SLIDES UP FROM THE BOTTOM. HAS MY LOGO ON IT.

TRY AND USE THAT AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.

ONLY KIDDING. GIVE ME ONE MOMENT IF YOU WOULD COMMISSIONERS. THERE WE GO.

YOU KNOW SO OFTEN I'M HERE AS SOMEONE WHO IS HERE TO LOBBY.

SOMEONE HERE TO ASK YOU TO APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

SURE IT'S QUASI JUDICIAL BUT ALWAYS HAS A DIFFERENT FLAVOR THAN THIS. THIS HAS MEANING.

I'M HERE TO BE AN ADVOCATE. I FEEL STRONGLY IN THIS.

THIS ONE MATTERS AS MY WIFE TOLD ME.

I'M QUOTING HERE RIGHT NOW. AS MY WIFE TOLD ME GOING OUT THE DOOR THIS MORNING KNOWING WHAT I WAS COMING HERE TO ADVOCATE, THIS ONE MATTERS. LET ME SHOW YOU SOMETHING.

MR. INGRAM SAID THEY DESIGNED THEIR HOUSE FOR A VIEW TO THE WEST. THEY DID NOT DESIGN THEIR HOUSE WITH A VIEW TO THE WEST. THEY CLEARLY DESIGNED THEIR HOUSE FOR A VIEW TO THE NORTH, THE INGRAMS. THE OPPOSITION. THERE'S ZERO QUESTION THEIR HOUSE FACES NORTH. THE HOUSE WAS NOT DESIGNED TO TAKE IN THE VIEW. THEY COULD HAVE POSITIONED THEIR HOME ON THEIR LOT TO TAKE ADVANTAGES TO VIEWS TO THE WEST AND THAT'S NOT WHEN THEY SUPPOSED TO DO.

THIS IS AN INTERESTING THING IN THE QUESTION THAT WENT ON.

MR. INGRAM KNOWS THE RULES AS WELL AS I DO.

IS THIS A FAIR AND ACCURATE REPRESENTATION? THAT WAS NEVER ASKED. I ASKED A DOC.

I SUBMIT TO YOU THIS IS NOT A FAIR AND ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT YOU WILL GET BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SAME TYPE THE GRAPHIC DEPICTION WITH THE PROPOSAL LAYERED IN, YOU GET TWO VERY DIFFERENT APPEARANCES. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT THAT HE'S SHOWING WOULD INCLUDE A SIX FOOT WALL.

>> THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, THAT'S A SIX FOOT FENCE ON OUR PROPERTY. YOU SAY A 12 FOOT WALL.

IT'S NOT 12 FROM OUR PROPERTY. OUR PROPERTY GOES BELOW THEIR PROPERTY. 12 FEET OF OUR PROPERTY.

DOESN'T GO THAT MUCH HIGHER. THAT INCLUDES A SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE. FENCE THAT IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY. I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

>> SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT. OBVIOUSLY THE GRUNBAUM'S PROPERTY IS FALLING TOWARD THE BACK.

PLUS, ON THE LEFT, THEY HAVE ELIMINATED ALL THE VEGETATION.

THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF VEGETATION IN THE AREA ALREADY.

THEIR ENGINEERS REPORT SAYS THIS IS THE ONLY SOLUTION.

GO IN THERE. PUT IN ANCHORS.

>> BURNETT, YOU NEED TO WRAP IT UP.

THAT'S THREE MINUTES. >> LET ME GET TO MY BIG POINTS HERE. WE LOOK TO THE PHOTOS FROM THE MLS NOT ACCURATE. YOU CAN'T JUST LOOK AT THE ONLY

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PUBLIC'S SAFETY AND HEALTHCARE. >> YOU LOOK AT --

>> I'M SORRY. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE TIME LIMITS. WE'RE DONE.

THREE MINUTES. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE TIME LIMITS. I'M SORRY.

>> YEAH. I DID WANT TO SAY THE REBUTTAL DOES SAY LIMIT THREE MINUTES MAY BE EXTENDED BASED ON OUTSTANDING MATTERS BROUGHT UP BY THE OTHER PARTIES.

I WAS WAITING TO HEAR, I'M GOING TO COMMENT ON THE PERSONAL

ISSUE, FAMILY ISSUES >> LISTEN.

MR. BURNETT, YOU CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL TIME.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE MR. INGRAM TIME.

IF YOU NEED TO GO FURTHER TO MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT, WE NEED TO BE FAIR AND EXTEND TIME TO MR. INGRAM AS WELL.

DO YOU AGREE TO THAT. WE'RE CLEAR I WILL GIVE YOU ADDITIONAL TIME. YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL TWO OR SO MINUTES TO WRAP IT UP AND I WILL GIVE MR. INGRAM A CHANCE TO HEAR EQUALLY FROM EVERYONE. ARE YOU AGREEABLE TO THAT.

>> TWO MINUTES. MR. INGRAM.

SO YOU JUST WAIT THERE. WE'RE GOING TO LET MR. BURNETT FINISH HIS TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES AND COME UP.

>> THE POINT I WAS MAKING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET BOGGED DOWN IN THE ZONING VARIANCE CRITERIA, YOU HAVE ARTICLE ONE WHICH SAYS IT OVER RIDES EVERYTHING TO CARRY OUT THE SPIRIT AND INTENT TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT.

GENTLEMEN THIS IS ONE OF THOSE OCCASIONS.

SO OFTEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY UP THERE TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT IMPACT PEOPLE'S LIVES AND MORE THAN OFTEN, IT IMPACTS WALLETS.

THIS IS REALLY OF ONE DECISIONS WHERE YOU CAN LOOK AT ARTICLE ONE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. YOU ARE LITERALLY JUDGING LANDSCAPING ON THE INGRAM SIDE. THAT COULD MITIGATE FOR THE VARIANCE THAT'S BEING REQUESTED. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE ONES WHERE YOU ARE MAKING A LIFE ALTERING NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE INGRAMS OR THEIR PROPERTY VALUE OR RUINING THE PROPERTY VALUES OF THE FOLKS THAT LIVE AROUND THIS PROPERTY.

YOU ARE ON THE CONTRARY, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, ALLOWING A FAMILY TO LIVE IN A HOME AND IT WASN'T JUST BOUGHT BY PHOTOGRAPHS ON THE INTERNET. THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN THAT. YOU ARE ALLOWING A FAMILY TO MAKE USEFUL USE OF A HOME AND ANY FAMILY THAT COMES ALONG AFTER THIS. THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

CLEARLY IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THEIR FAMILY.

IT MAKES GOOD SENSE. LONG-TERM MAKES GOOD SENSE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THIS BIG IMPOSING STRUCTURE BECAUSE CLEARLY THERE'S MATURE LANDSCAPING OVER THAT.

DOC, I WILL TURN OVER TO YOU. >> THE EXCEPTIONAL TOPOGRAPHY IS WRITTEN ON THE EXCEPTION. AND YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME. I KNOW THIS IS A LOT.

WE TRIED VERY HARD TO TRY TO WORK THIS OUT IN A WAY THAT STILL PROTECTS OUR FAMILY. EVEN LITERALLY TRYING TO CUT CORNERS ON THIS. WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT OUR HOUSE AND OUR FAMILY AND THE SAFETY OF OUR HOME.

>> WE SUBMIT THERE'S AN ADA REASON FOR THIS TO BE GRANTED.

WE WOULD SUBMIT IT'S VALID AND JUSTIFIED.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

FOR THE FIRST TIME JUST IN THE LAST 10 SECONDS, MR. BURNETT BROUGHT UP THE AMERICAN WITH DISABILITIES ACT.

ANY MODIFICATION FOR SOMEONE WHO IS DISABLED MUST BE REASONABLE FOR EXAMPLE. IT CAN BE LIKE INSTALLING GRAB BARS IN THE BATHROOM OR LOWERING KITCHEN CABINETS TO A HEIGHT SUITABLE FOR PERSONS IN WHEEL CHAIRS.

THIS REQUESTED VARIANCE IS NOT REASONABLE.

THERE'S A PLAY AREA IN THE FRONT YARD.

PLAY AREAS INSIDE. THERE'S ALSO THE GREATEST PLAY AREA IN NORTHWEST FLORIDA TO WHICH THEY HAVE A DEED PROPERTY.

LET'S NOT MAKE THIS ABOUT A PARTICULAR CHILD.

MORE OVER, ON THE VARIANCE STANDARDS, IF IT'S EVEN CONSIDERED A HARDSHIP AT ALL, IT'S A SELF IMPOSED HARDSHIP.

THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE BUYING. THEY BOUGHT A HOME THAT MAXIMIZING THE FOOTPRINT OF HOUSE TO THE SITE.

TO MOST PEOPLE THIS IS PARADISE. SO YOU KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS TRADE

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YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN TWO STORIES.

YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN 35 FEET.

YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN FOUR FEET OF BULK HEAD.

YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN FOUR FEET OF FENCING.

WHAT DOES ALL THAT ADD UP TO? A COMMUNITY THAT IS STABLE AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE RULES ARE.

WITHIN A FEW MONTHS OF COMING IN, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 12 FOOT HIGH BULK HEAD IN TERMS OF HARDSHIP.

THIS IS EXTREMELY UNFAIR TO MY AUNT AND UNCLE.

IT'S EXTRAORDINARY. I MEAN, IT'S REALLY SOMETHING.

SO, I AM SORRY WE'RE HERE ON THIS AND ANYWAY.

I HOPE YOU DO THE RIGHT THING ON THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MR. VICE MAYOR. PATRICK.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE BOARD?

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. AT THE BEGINNING OF THE HEARING I HAD SORT OF GONE OVER THE VARIANCE CRITERIA.

I WOULD LIKE TO REFRESH THE BOARD'S MEMORY ON THAT.

YOU HEARD A LOT OF EVIDENCE AND ARGUMENT TODAY AND I THINK WELL ARGUED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION.

SO FROM THE PVZ CODE, A VARIANCE MAY BE GRANTED IF THE VARIANCE WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND WHEREBY REASON OF EXCEPTIONAL NARROWNESS OR SHALLOWNESS OF A SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY OR BY REASON OF TOP GRAPHIC CONDITIONS OR OTHER EXTRAORDINARY SITUATIONS OR CONDITIONS SUCH, OF SUCH PIECE OF PROPERTY OR BY REASON OF THE USE OR DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ADJOINING THE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN QUESTION, THE LITTLE ENFORCEMENT OF REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE WOULD CAUSE UNDUE HARDSHIP TO THE APPLICANT.

IN THIS CONTEXT, PERSONAL, FAMILY OR FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES, LOSS OF PROSPECTIVE PROFITS OR SIMILAR NEIGHBORING VIOLATIONS OR HARDSHIPS CREATED BY AN ACT OF THE OWNER ARE NOT CONSIDERED HARDSHIPS JUSTIFYING A VARIANCE.

SO, JUST A FEW NOTES. THE BOARD HAS HEARD EXPERT TESTIMONY FROM ENGINEERS. ONE FOR THE APPLICANT, AND ONE FOR THE OPPOSITION. THE BOARD CAN RELY AS COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE ON THOSE. FRANKLY, IF THERE'S COMPETENCE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION, IT'S THE BOARD'S PREROGATIVE TO CHOOSE. IN TERMS OF, I THINK THE PETITIONS AND I THINK SOME OF THE PUBLIC INPUT, THE NUMBERS FOR AN APPLICATION OR AGAINST AN APPLICATION, THE NUMBERS ARE NOT RELEVANT. WHAT THE PROPONENTS SAY, THOSE FOR OR THOSE AGAINST MAY BE RELEVANT IF IT GOES TO THOSE CRITERIA THAT WERE DESCRIBED IN YOUR CRITERIA.

IN YOUR, IN WHAT I HAVE READ THERE.

MR. BURNETT, I THINK HAD SPOKEN MORE GENERALLY OF THE CODE SECTION 1. I THINK THAT'S THERE IN THE BACKGROUND. THIS VARIANCE LANGUAGE IS FOCUSED ON THE VARIANTS DECISION.

IN THIS CONTEXT PERSONAL, FAMILY OR FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES SO PERSONAL OR FAMILY I THINK THE BOARD HEARD EVIDENCE BOTH FROM THE APPELLANT AND THROUGH CROSS-EXAMINATION ON SOME PERSONAL. AGAIN, THAT MAY BE TO THE EXACT PERSON OR IT COULD BE ILLUSTRATIVE OF I THINK GENERALLY WHAT A FAMILY MAY FACE OR FUTURE FAMILIES MAY FACE.

IT WOULD BE MY ADVICE TO THE BOARD NOT TO RELY ON THAT SOLELY FOR MAKING A DECISION. OBVIOUSLY YOU HAD GREATER EVIDENCE ENGINEERING EVIDENCE ET CETERA.

THE OTHER THING IS THIS BOARD IS HEARING THE MATTER DE NOVO.

THE RECORD FROM THE PVZAV WILL BE PART OF YOUR RECORD HERE TODAY. BUT YOU ARE NOT BOUND BY THE PVZAV VOTE AND I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN A QUESTION ABOUT A POTENTIAL RECUSAL OR NOT. MY ADVICE IS NOT TO MAKE THAT,

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YOU HEARD THE EVIDENCE TODAY. YOU ARE DECIDING THIS DE NOVO.

AND WITH THAT MR. CHAIR, BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ITS DELIBERATION OR QUESTIONS. OKAY.

THANK YOU. WHY DON'T WE GO TO THE BOARD.

I'M SURE WE HAVE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

I WILL ASK A QUESTION. SO I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH PARTIES. THESE ARE RELATED TO JUST FURTHER HELP ME UNDERSTANDING. OBVIOUSLY WE ALL HEARD A LOT TODAY AND GOING THROUGH THIS. MR. BURNETT.

I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU COME UP WITH YOUR CLIENT AND YOUR EXPERT WITNESS HERE. I WAS GOING TO SAY BUT I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD AFTERNOON TERRITORY.

LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. WHEN YOU PURCHASE, A LOT HAS BEEN MADE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND, THAT YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME WORK AT THE HOSPITAL HERE.

YOUR FAMILY HAD TO MAKE DECISIONS AS FAR AS A RESIDENCE AND MAYBE BASED ON TIMING OR OTHER ISSUES, Y'ALL WENT AHEAD AND PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WITHOUT A SITE VISIT.

>> I DIDN'T DO A SITE VISIT. WE DID A VIRTUAL SITE VISIT.

>> YOU DID A VIRTUAL SITE VISIT. DID YOU DO A PURCHASE AGREEMENT

>> DID YOU HAVE A REALTOR? >> AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, WAS

THERE A HOME INSPECTION? >> YES.

DID THAT HOME INSPECTION IDENTIFY SOME OF THE STRUCTURAL ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLAID TODAY?

>> HE WASN'T A BULK HEAD PERSON AND WASN'T ABLE TO GIVE A DETAILED KIND OF ASSESSMENT BUT WANTED US TO DO A FURTHER, HE SAID THERE IS ISSUES WITH THE BULK HEAD AND WANTED US --

>> LET ME BE CAREFUL TO FRAME THIS.

I'M NOT TRYING TO CATCH YOU. THIS IS IMPORTANT AND HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP AS AN ISSUE. JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR FOR ALL PARTIES. THIS IS A DIFFICULT DECISION FOR THE BOARD. NO MATTER WHAT DECISION WE MAKE, IT IMPACTS BOTH FAMILIES. THESE QUESTIONS ARE NOT DESIGNED TO TRAP PEOPLE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND AND HOPEFULLY IT'S HELPFUL TO THE BOARD.

SO WHEN THAT INSPECTION OF CONDUCTED, EVEN THOUGH THE INSPECTOR WHATEVER HIS TITLE WAS, DID THEY IDENTIFY THEY WERE STRUCTURAL ISSUES WITH THE FOUNDATION?

>> YES. WE ASSUMED WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FIX IT. WE DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS A VARIANCE TO NOT BE ABLE TO FIX IT.

OR FIX THE BULK HEAD. >> OKAY.

UNDERSTOOD. GIVE ME A MINUTE AND LET ME LOOK AT MY NOTES HERE. NOW I WANT TO MAKE SURE, I UNDERSTAND THOSE OF US THAT HAVE CHILDREN.

I HAVE A DAUGHTER WITH DISABILITIES AS WELL.

I UNDERSTAND HOW PAINFUL AND DIFFICULT THAT IS.

MY SYMPATHY GOES OUT TO YOUR AND YOUR WIFE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. HOWEVER WE HAVE TO TRY TO MAKE THIS DECISION FACTORING ALL THESE DIFFERENT FACTORS AND WORKING THROUGH. WE HAVE TO LOOK TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO GIVE GUIDANCE. THESE QUESTIONS ARE NOT DESIGNED TO SEEM INSENSITIVE. WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS, YOUR DAUGHTER HAD AN ILLNESS THAT'S IMPACTFUL TO YOUR FAMILY.

OBVIOUSLY BE A PHYSICIAN, YOU HAVE A LEVEL OF EXPERTISE THAT WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND. WHAT IS THE NEXUS OF YOUR DAUGHTER'S ILLNESS AND REPAIRING THE BULK HEAD.

IT'S A SERIOUS ILLNESS AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT AND ARE CONFIDENT SUBSTANTIAL TESTIMONY, WHAT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING IS, LET ME EXPLAIN. ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH YOUR DAUGHTER. THERE'S A SERIOUS ISSUE THAT'S IMPACTFUL FOR MOBILITY AND IMPACTS YOUR FAMILY.

SOUNDS LIKE SHE'S GETTING ON GOING TREATMENT.

>> THERE'S PHYSICAL THERAPIST DOCUMENTATION.

>> THAT'S BEYOND DISPUTE. WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS, I'M TRYING TO FRAME THE TWO THINGS TOGETHER.

WHAT IS THE NEXUS BETWEEN HER ILLNESS AND THE REQUIRED

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REPAIRS? >> IT'S NOT SAFE FOR HER TO BE IN THE FRONT YARD. ALREADY THERE WAS SOMEONE HIT, CRITICALLY AND HELICOPTERED OUT. THERE WAS ANOTHER PERSON HIT AND THAT ONE LOST THEIR LIFE. AND SHE CANNOT SAFELY PLAY IN

THE FRONT YARD. >> IF I MAY.

MR. CHAIRMAN. THE REPORT FROM THE YALE PHYSICIAN DISCUSSES THE FACT SHE NEEDS A LEVEL PLAYING SURFACE.

>> A LEVELLING PLAYING FIELD. UNDERSTOOD THAT.

THESE QUESTIONS ARE NOT DESIGNED TO PUT YOU ON THE DEFENSIVE AS A FATHER. I GET IT.

WE HAVE A JOB TO DO TODAY. SO LET ME ASK YOU, UNDERSTANDING SHE NEEDS A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. WHAT OPTIONS HAVE YOU LOOKED AT POSSIBLY FENCING IN THE FRONT YARD?

>> HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT? >> EVEN IF WE DID, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM. MOST OF THE YARD IS TAKEN UP BY THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF. AND I THINK ALSO YOU CAN'T PULL A FENCE ON THAT STREET ALSO. WE LOOKED TO SEE IF WE CAN DO THAT AND WE VALID TO APPLY FOR A VARIANCE.

>> THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER VARIANCE.

UNDERSTOOD. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THE INGRAMS THE SAME QUESTION. I WOULD LIKE AND I EXPECT AN HONEST ANSWER IF THE BOARD DENIES THIS TODAY, THAT DOESN'T DANGER YOUR SITUATION. WHAT WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY

DO? >> TRY AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

>> WE WOULD KEEP APPLYING EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

>> I UNDERSTAND. OKAY.

>> I DO HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS BUT I THINK YOU ANSWERED MY MAIN POINTS. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR.

NOW I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE INGRAMS AS WELL.

GOOD AFTERNOON. AGAIN, LIKE I JUST SAID.

THIS IS A DIFFICULT DECISION FOR EVERYONE.

WE ALL WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT. THIS IS JUST PART OF THE PROCESS. THESE QUESTIONS ARE NOT DESIGNED TO BE INTRUSIVE OR INVASIVE. WE WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT.

OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A FAMILY THAT'S IMPACTED.

Y'ALL'S FAMILY IS IMPACTED. HOW LONG HAVE Y'ALL, HAD THIS OWNED THIS RESIDENCE? 18 YEARS.

>> WE DID NOT BUILD THE HOME. I WANTED TO RECTIFY A COMMENT MR. BURNETT MADE. WE BOUGHT IT BUILT.

>> OKAY. I THINK YOU SAID THAT IN YOUR TESTIMONY. THE NOTES THAT YOU ACTUALLY PURCHASED IT. SPENT TIME REVIEWING IT.

VISITING AND SO FORTH. OBVIOUSLY THE GRUNBAUMES WERE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF COVID. I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DO A SITE VISIT PER SE.

SO LET ME ASK YOU, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN TESTIMONY PUT OUT HERE TODAY THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE BULK THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED. YOU HAD AN EXPERT PRESENT A POTENTIAL OPTION FOR REPAIRING IT.

YOU HAVE ALSO HEARD SOME TESTIMONY TODAY IN REGARDS TO THE MOTIVATION AS FAR AS THE DAUGHTER MAKING SURE SHE HAS A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE AND OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY IN THE FRONT YARD. THE FRONT YARD IS NOT SAFE.

I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT FENCING THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER VARIANCE.

WHAT IF THE BOARD DENIES YOUR, GRANTS RATHER, GRANTS THIS TODAY, WHAT WOULD Y'ALL DO TO MITIGATE THAT?

>> WE REALLY HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT.

WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED WHAT FURTHER STEPS WE WOULD TAKE.

>> I CAN TELL YOU THE BOARD IS GOING TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY.

I ENCOURAGE YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I'M NOT PRECLUDING. I'M ONE COMMISSIONER.

I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO WHAT -- YES, SIR.

>> I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD DO.

I HAVE LOST SLEEP EVERY NIGHT SINCE THIS STARTED IN APRIL.

IT'S, IT WOULD CHANGE MY LIFE CONSIDERABLY.

I'M 70 YEARS OLD AND IT'S TIME TO ENJOY LIFE.

I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. IT WOULD BE UNCONCEIVABLE TO ME

AT THE MOMENT. >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> THIS IS FOR MR. BURNETT. TO START.

>> SURE. OKAY.

WE'RE GOING TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON NEXT.

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IS THERE A WAY TO PUSH THE WALL AWAY FROM THEIR FENCE AND DO IT AND HAVE A BACKYARD AND STILL FIX THE BULK HEAD MR. MCCORVEY?

>> WE DID LOOK AT SEVERAL OPTIONS OF TAPER AND STEP DOWN OPTIONS. THEY ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS ALTHOUGH THEY WERE OFFERED AS AN OPTION, THEY STILL LACKED A REALLY SUITABLE REPAIR AT THE CORNER AND WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE SOUTH END. WE DID ANALYZE MULTIPLE SCENARIOS WITH THAT. ENGINEERING WISE, YOU'RE SAYING IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY TO FIX IT. IT COULDN'T BE THE WAY THE OTHER

ENGINEER IS SAYING? >> I'M SAYING IT'S THE BEST SOLUTION IN OUR VIEW FOR SERVICEABILITY AND A LONG-TERM SOLUTION. THE OTHER OPTION THAT WAS MENTIONED FROM THE OTHER ENGINEER, POSSIBLY COULD BE A SOLUTION BUT IF THAT HOUSE IS BUILT ON PILES.

POSSIBLY NOT. THERE WOULD BE CONFLICTS IF THE HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED ON ANY TYPE OF PILING STRUCTURE.

THERE COULD BE CONFLICTS WITH THAT IF THE HOUSE DEPENDING ON THE DEPTH OF THE FOUNDATION THAT THE HOUSE IS CURRENTLY SITTING ON. EVEN IF IT'S NOT ON PILE AND THE HELLICAL ANCHORS COULD BE INSTALLED TO GET OUT INFLUENCE OF THE FOUNDATION AND THE PROPER ANGLE TO GET PAST THE FAILURE PLANE OF THE SOIL. THERE COULD BE, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE MORE INVESTIGATION TO REALLY BE ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL. OKAY.

THERE COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANYTHING FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS?PCOMMISSIONER WHI. I WANT TO SAY BRIEFLY.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEING DENOVA.

IT WAS BROUGHT UP THERE WAS A CONFLICT WITH MR. PATTON AND SOME OF THAT. YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T REALLY HEAR SPECIFIC EVIDENCE ON THAT. THESE ARE VOLUNTEER BOARDS AND PEOPLE THAT VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME ON HERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THIS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF US HERE. ANY TYPE OF BIASES WITH A DIFFERENT BOARD MEMBER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HELPFUL.

WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER ENGINEER.

YES. HEY, HOW ARE YOU.

CLEARLY WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ENGINEERS HERE AND TWO DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT HOW TO FIX THIS. CAN YOU ELABORATE WHAT WAS SAID

HERE. >> THE LINE OF QUESTIONING FROM

COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> ONE OF COMMENTS WAS RELATED TO THE FOUNDATION OF THE HOUSE. IF THE HOUSE ITSELF WAS ACTUALLY ON PILING OR DEEP FOUNDATION, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE IMPOSING LOAD ON THE WALL ITSELF. THE PILING WOULD BE CARRYING THAT LOAD. THOSE WOULD BE TWO INDEPENDENT SITUATIONS. I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE FOUNDATION OF THE HOUSE AND DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS.

AN ANCHORED FOUNDATION IS HOW WE ADDRESS THIS.

>> JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR.

THAT WOULD LIMIT THE OBSTRUCTION THAT THE INGRAM'S HAVE AS WELL? ARE THERE CONCERNS ABOUT IMPACTING THEIR PROPERTY?

>> THE CONCERNS OF THEIR BACKYARD.

THE TERRACED WALL RIGHT NOW. THE POSITION OF THAT WALL WOULD HAVE TO BE BETWEEN THE TWO WALLS TO FACILITATE THE REPAIR.

THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE BACK AS FAR AS THE FOUNDATION LOADS AND THE OTHER DIFFERENCE IS THE HEIGHT.

THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MEET EVEN FOUR FEED ALONG THAT FACE

ANYWAY. >> LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. THERE'S NO DISPUTE REPAIRS NEED TO BE MADE FOR THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE? I BELIEVE THE AGE OF THE WALL AND THE INSPECTION MADE, A

REPLACEMENT NEEDS TO BE MADE. >> IT SEEMS LIKE THE

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>> MR. BURNETT AND INGRAM. THIS OBVIOUSLY IS SOMETHING THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THE NEIGHBORS WORKED TOGETHER AND FIGURED THIS OUT. OBVIOUSLY THERE HAS TO BE REPAIR WORK DONE. WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS TWO THINGS. THE FIRST IS, I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THAT THE ISSUES WITH THE DAUGHTER'S SITUATION.

I THINK ANYONE IN THE AUDITORIUM WOULD HAVE SYMPATHY TO UNDERSTAND THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE TO MAKING THE REPAIRS AND THERE COULD BE A VARIANCE FOR FENCING IN THE FRONT.

THAT'S WEIGHING ON ME. THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS DIFFICULT TO AND THIS REALLY GOES TO YOU MR. INGRAM, THERE'S REALLY NO DISPUTE, IT DOESN'T SEEM THERE'S DISPUTE FROM EITHER PARTY. THESE REPAIRS NEED TO BE MADE.

THE GRUNBAUM'S HAVE GOTTEN EXPORTS TO LOOK IT.

YEAH THEY COULD GOET INTO THIS AND REALIZE THERE ARE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE THAT WOULD BE IMPACTFUL TOWARD YOUR NEIGHBOR. THESE DO NOT APPEAR TO BE COSMETIC CHANGES. THESE ARE STRUCTURAL CHANGES.

I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. JUST LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS.

THAT IS A REAL POSSIBILITY. NOW MATTER HOW THIS PLAYS OUT,

WE COULD BE BACK HERE. >> DO YOUR CLIENTS UNDERSTAND

THAT? >> WE DISCUSSED INTERNALLY AND WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. IF THEY NEED TO REPLACE THE BULK HEAD WALL WITHIN 18 INCHES WITHIN EXISTING.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THE COUNTY WOULD DEEM THAT TO REQUIRE A VARIANCE. BUT, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT HERE TO STAND IN THE WAY OF THEM REPAIRING THEIR HOME IN A WAY THAT MAINTAINS THE SAFETY OF THE FOUNDATION AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

THAT'S NOT THE DISPUTE. THE QUESTION IS, HOW CAN IT BE DONE. ONE IS SAYING YOU CAN ONLY GO OUT 20 FEET AND THE OTHER SAY WE NORMALLY DO THIS 18 INCHES OUT.

THAT'S, I DON'T ENVY YOU EITHER. >> IS THERE ANY MIDDLE OF THE ROAD EITHER OF THE PARTIES CAN COME TO? WELL, WE HAVE CONTINUOUSLY SUGGESTED THAT IF IT'S, IF THE NEED FOR A BACKYARD IS AN ISSUE, THEY COULD CONSTRUCT A LEVEL PAVED OR LEVEL GRASSED AREA THAT'S EVEN WITH THE LEVEL OF THE INGRAM'S HOUSE. SO, THAT MIGHT REQUIRE STEPS OR A RAMP TO GET DOWN TO IT, BUT IT WOULD BE AT THE SAME LEVEL IF THAT'S THE PRIMARY ISSUE. OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT THE ONLY ISSUE. THERE'S A STRUCTURAL NEED AND ON THAT, YOU KNOW, DESIGNING IT, THERE IS A WAY TO MAINTAIN THE BULK HEAD. JUST AS THEY WILL NEED TO DO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE GRUNBALM'S.

>> THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH.

THERE'S TWO ISSUES. A STRUCTURAL ISSUE THAT EVERYONE AGREES. WHAT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO FIX THAT? THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT YOUR CLIENTS ARE LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE MORE SPACE FOR THEIR DAUGHTER WHICH NO ONE FAULTS THEM FOR.

BUT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT ISSUE.

I'M NOT SAYING YOU AGREE WITH THAT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHERE I'M GOING WITH MY UNDERSTANDING?

>> SURE. WE ALSO WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER ACTUALLY WAS ON THE SITE.

DID INSPECT THE PROPERTY. DID HIS INSPECTION ON THE PROPERTY. NO ONE HAS EVER ASKED FOR ANOTHER ENGINEER TO COME ON SITE AND HELP THEM AS PART OF THEIR ANALYSIS. THEY'RE SPECULATING AS TO A SOLUTION. OUR CONTRACTOR WHO COULDN'T BE HERE BUT IT'S IN THE RECORD SAYS HE DOESN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING WHAT THEY PROPOSE. HE NEEDS THE SPACE.

THE WEST PART, YOU CAN SEE THE TOPOGRAPHY IT ONLY EXISTS FROM TIERED SYSTEM. THE CHANGE IS ONLY ON THE WEST SIDE. YOU'RE CARRYING THE LOAD OF

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THAT'S PART OF MR. MCCORVEY'S REPORT.

THE CONTRACTOR WHO COULDN'T BE HERE AGAIN BUT HIS TESTIMONY AND IT'S IN WHAT WE SUBMITTED IS HE DOESN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE REPLACING IT 18 INCHES OVER FROM AS THEY PROPOSE.

SO. YOU KNOW THEN ONCE YOU MOVE AWAY FROM IT, HOWEVER DO YOU MOVE AWAY FROM IT AND STEPPING DOWN FROM IT DOESN'T GET YOU THE SUPPORT AT THE LEVEL WHERE YOU NEED TO BE. IF YOU THINK IN TERMS OF TIERED, WELL, WHERE DO I TIER? I GOT TO SHORE UP WHAT IS THERE AT THE LEVEL IT'S AT BEFORE YOU GO TO TIER.

OUR CONTRACTOR IS SAYING 18 INCHES OVER DOESN'T SOLVE IT.

THE ONLY WAY TO DO THE DEAD MAN TYPE OF ANCHORING SYSTEM RATHER THAN HELLICALLY SCREW, YOU NEED THE DISTANCE

>> THE DRAWING NORTH AND SOUTH COMING OUT 20 FEET GIVES YOU THE DISTANCE TO GET THE DEAD MAN TYING BACK UP.

YOU SHORE UP NORTH AND SOUTH AND TO THE WEST.

EAST IS SHORED UP BECAUSE IT'S ROAD.

THAT'S HOW YOU GET THE BACK OF THE HOUSE STABILIZED.

>> LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

THE ONLY, NOW MR. INGRAM, Y'ALL MADE AN OFFER TO MAKE IT LEVEL

WITH THE HOUSE? >> YES, THIS IS THE SOLUTION THAT NOT ONLY WOULD ADDRESS THEIR DESIRE FOR REAR YARD BUT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE TO PUT IT AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THE INGRAM'S BACKYARD BECAUSE IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A FOUR FOOT HIGH OR GREATER BULK HEAD.

THEY COULD DO THAT. AND BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CODES. THIS COULD BE BACK AND FORTH.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SLOPE IS GOING TO THE BACK? WHAT THE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE IS FROM IF HE WANTS THE YARD 20 FEET? IT'S IN THE REPORT. THAT'S HOW YOU GET FROM THAT, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE SIX FEET OVER 20.

THAT'S HOW YOU GET THE TRANSITION OF SIX FEET IN CHANGE IN HEIGHT OVER 20 FEET. THAT'S HOW WE GO FROM SIX TO 12.

IT'S NOT GROWING IN HEIGHT FROM WHAT THE INGRAM'S SEE.

IT'S NOT THE HEIGHT, IT'S JUST GOING DOWN TO MAKE UP THE GRADE

CHANGE. >> THE OTHER QUESTION, CAN YOU PUT THE PICTURE BACK UP OF MR. INGRAM'S HOUSE.

IS THERE A WAY TO GET THAT? WHICH PICTURE?

>> IT WOULD BE THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE KEEP GOING.

I'LL TELL YOU WHEN. OKAY.

IT WAS A SIDE PICTURE OF THE HOUSE.

MR. INGRAM, THE HOUSE IS ON STILTS ON THE LEFT SIDE?

>> I'M NOT SURE. >> WHERE THEY DRIVE INTO THE GARAGE SIMPLE THAT A COVERED PATIO AT THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE? IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS BUILT ON

STILTS OR COLUMNS. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON, THE

HOUSE, MR. INGRAM'S HOUSE. >> OUR HOUSE IS BUILT NOT ON A SLAP BUT ON A FOUR FOOT CRAWL SPACE.

>> WHERE YOU GET OUT TO WHERE YOU'RE DRIVING.

>> IT'S LEVEL. >> OUR DRIVEWAY, SO IT'S LEVEL.

THERE'S NO, YOUR SECOND FLOOR DOESN'T COME OUT OVER YOUR

PARKING AREA? >> NO, THE TWO STORIES OF

RECTANGULAR. >> TO THE WEST.

>> YOU GO RIGHT INTO THE GARAGE. >> ALL RIGHT.

DOES THAT HELP? THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONERS. LEGAL.

>> WELL, THERE MAYBE MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.

I DID WANT TO SAY THE BOARD MAY VOTE TO APPROVE THIS VARIANCE, THERE'S EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD. THE BOARD MAY VOTE TO DENY THIS VARIANCE. THERE'S EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD.

THE BOARD MAY ANY REASON THAT'S NOT ARBITRARY CONTINUE THIS MATTER TO IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE

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MR. BURNETT IS AVAILABLE HERE IF I MAY.

MR. BURNETT, I WAS NOT AT THE PVZAV MEETING.

I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS AN OFFER OF COMPROMISE SORT OF, I GUESS MAKING A CORNER SORT OF I THINK HAS DR. G MENTIONED, CUTTING A CORNER IN THE DESIGN. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT?

>> YES. I DIDN'T REPRESENT THEM AT THE PVZAV. I HAD THE ITEM IMMEDIATELY AFTER THIS ITEM. I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE FACT THAT WAS OFFERED APPARENTLY THE INGRAMED HAVEN'T ACCEPTED THAT.

I TALKED TO MR. INGRAM TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT ISSUE AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT COMPROMISE ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE.

>> WELL, THE BOARD IN ADDITION TO APPROVING FULLY OR DENYING FULLY MAY PLACE CONDITIONS ON AN APPROVAL IF IT DID APPROVE SOMETHING. I JUST WONDER SINCE THAT, I THINK THAT DESIGN OR THAT CONCEPT WAS PRESENTED AT THE PVZAV, IT'S NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. BUT IT STILL MAY BE RELEVANT AS A DESIGN. I DO WONDER IF MR. BURNETT, IF YOUR ENGINEER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT CONCEPT.

WHETHER THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A VIABLE

>> NO, SIR. I'M NOT SURE.

>> ALL RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S VIABLE.

OUR ENGINEER DID NOT REVIEW IT. HE DID NOT REVIEW FROM STRUCTURAL VIEW. THE BOARD MAY VOTE TO APPROVE AS IS. THE BOARD MAY VOTE TO DENY AS IS. OR THE BOARD COULD CONTINUE THIS, THE HEARING HAS BEEN HELD. THE BOARD WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE A NEW PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. BUT JUST TO THE QUESTION OF THIS, I THINK ALTERNATE DESIGN, WHETHER IT WOULD BE VIABLE AND THE DESIGN AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WOULD SORT OF KIND OF ANGLE OFF PART OF THE YOU KNOW THE BULK HEAD SPACE.

I THINK TO PROVIDE LESS INTRUSIVE OR MORE BENEFICIAL VIEW TO THE -- FROM THE INGRAM PROPERTY.

THAT'S SORT OF OUT THERE. IF THE BOARD IS INTERESTED IN I THINK THAT, THE BOARD COULD REQUEST THIS, THE BOARD COULD DIRECT THIS MATTER TO BE CONTINUED AND THAT CONCEPT BACK.

NOT NECESSARY TO DO THAT. IT'S JUST ANOTHER OPTION

BOARD. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? I UNTIL CLOSING COMMENT, MY CLIENT WILL LANDSCAPE TO THE EXTENT THEY CAN ON THE PROPERTY. THEY OBVIOUSLY WANT THEIR OWN

PRIVACY. >> I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE ARGUING. BUT IT'S OKAY.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE? >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

I JUST LIKE TO MOVE ON. Y'ALL HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME.

IS THERE A MOTION? >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.

I HAVE HAD A STRUGGLE WITH DURING MY FOUR AND A HALF YEARS ON THE COMMISSION BECAUSE I SEE VERY VALID REASONS TO GO EITHER WAY ON THIS ISSUE. BUT I HAVE TO SAY I COME DOWN ON THE SIDE OF THE NEED TO PROVIDE AN ADEQUATE FIX FOR THE BULK HEAD AND ALSO WITH CONCERNS ABOUT THE YOUNG DAUGHTER.

SO WITH THAT SAID, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AND I'M GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE PLM 2021-02, 730 PONTE VEDRA OVER TURNING THE DECISION OF THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD AND APPROVING THE ZONING VARIANCE TO PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS SECTIONS 8.1 AND WALLS IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A RETAINING WALL OF NO MORE THAN 12 FEET IN HEIGHT AND LOCATED 20 FEET FROM AN EXISTING RETAINING WALL IN

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REQUIREMENTS. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> I WILL SECOND. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND FOR WALDRON.

LET'S OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER DEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO SEE THEM WORK OUT A COMPROMISE.

BUT EVEN IF IT WAS TAPERED BACK. I WAS LOOKING AT THAT PLANS OF THE DR. G'S HOUSE AND YOU KNOW, IF THEY INSERTED A WALL TO THE NORTH, I WOULD SAY TO THE NORTH OF THE STEPS, WOULD BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER PLAN WAS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM TRY TO

GET A COMPROMISE. >> WELL, IF I MAY RESPOND.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON AS USUAL, I TEND TO TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.

VERY FEW THINGS WE HAD A DISAGREEMENT ON.

I AGREE WITH YOU, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO GET THERE.

I'M NOT SURE -- I WAS FACED WITH EITHER IN MY MIND A MOTION TO DENY THIS OR TO OVERTURN THE PZVAZ AS WELL.

IF THERE'S A WELL I KNOW MR. MCCORMACK MADE A RESOLUTION.

I'M NOT SURE WE CAN DIRECT THE PARTIES TO DO ANYTHING.

I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTION AND WITHDRAW MY MOTION IF YOU COME UP WITH A SUGGESTION THAT WE CAN MOVE ON.

BUT, I FELT LIKE I WAS SORT OF YOU KNOW, AT A POINT WHERE I NEEDED TO FISH OR CUT BAIT. I GAVE WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS INSIDE

OF ME THINKING. >> I AGREE.

>> OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS A DIFFICULT DECISION FOR THE PZVAZ AS WELL. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALL APPROACHING THIS WITH THE DIFFICULTY AND THE GRAVITY OF IT.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >>

>> I THINK YOU KNOW, PROBABLY GOING TO SAY WHAT I THINK WE'RE ALL THINKING AS WELL. WE'RE ALL STUCK IN THE MIDDLE.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS FIRMLY PLANTED ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER. I'M STUCK ON THE MIDDLE.

I WAS LEANING MORE TOWARD THE INGRAMS SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN THERE AND THIS MAY ADVERSELY IMPACT THEM.

IT'S HEART WRENCHING TO HEAR ABOUT THE GRUENBAUM'S DAUGHTER.

I AM A FATHER AND WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR MY DAUGHTER.

I WAS LEANING TOWARD THE INGRAM'S SIDE OF THE ISSUE HOWEVER SLIGHTLY. PERHAPS SOMEONE IN PUBLIC COMMENT RAISED THE FACT THAT THE INGRAM'S ENGINEER HAD NOT BEEN ON THE PROPERTY. WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO THE BOARD, IT MAY NOT BE, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF THE ENGINEER MR. MORALES JUNIOR WAS ABLE TO VISIT? THAT MAY OR MAY NOT SWAY HIS OPINION OR TESTIMONY.

THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS BRING THIS BEFORE THE BOARD ALL AGAIN. I NOT KNOW IF THIS WAS HELPFUL EVIDENCE TO WEIGH. OBVIOUSLY MR. MCCORVEY WILL BE HIRED BY THE GRUENBAUMES AND WOULD HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST.

>> THANK YOU. I WAS GOING TO REFRAINING FROM TALKING ON THIS MATTER. I WILL SAY I HAVE HEARD ENOUGH EVIDENCE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE AND MAKE A DECISION THAT THIS DETERIORATING BULK HEAD AS IT SITS ON THE FOUNDATION COULD BE REPAIRED AT 18 INCHES. I FEEL FOR SOMEONE THAT PURCHASED THIS PARTICULAR PROBLEM.

THAT'S DEFINITELY A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE AND COULD BE VERY COSTLY.

BUT BASED UPON WHAT YOU HEARD TODAY, IT WOULD BE REPAIRED WITH THE 18 INCHES, I WILL YIELD TO THAT.

THE REASON COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST I WAS LISTENING TO MR. MCCORVEY. THERE'S DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND IN OPINION. I WILL YIELD TO WHAT YOU HEARD AND WILL BE SUFFICIENT FIX FOR THIS RESOLVE ON THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOME. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SMITH.

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YOU KNOW THIS IS IMPACTFUL TO BOTH OF Y'ALL.

I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS. DR. GRUENBAUM.

IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME BECAUSE I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE DIFFICULTY OF TRYING TO MOVE YOUR FAMILY DOWN HERE AND PURCHASE PROPERTY.

I'M STUCK ON FOR ME, THE INSPECTION REPORT THAT IDENTIFIED THEY WERE DAMAGES THERE.

I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES WITH YOUR DAUGHTER.

THAT'S COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE.

I THINK THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO THAT AND OPPORTUNITIES TO FENCE IN THE FRONT OF THE YARD.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD REQUIRE ALSO HAVING A VARIANCE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT VARIANCE WOULD BE AS IMPACTFUL.

BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF YOUR PROPERTY.

THAT WORRIES ME CONSIDERABLY. WE HAVE SEEN RECENT EXAMPLES OF PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN DAMAGED THAT PARTICULAR PART OF PONTE VEDRA IS STRUGGLING. SO I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND THAT WEIGHS ON ME CONSIDERABLY.

THE ARGUMENTS ABOUT YOUR DAUGHTER, THAT TOUCHES EVERYONE'S HEART. FRANKLY YOU COULD HAVE KNOWN THAT BEFORE. THIS IS DIFFICULT, YOU HAVE A FAMILY HERE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY HURTING AND TRYING TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THEIR FAMILY. I'M NOT CONVINCED NO MATTER HOW THIS WORKS OUT, THERE COULD BE A PROBLEM.

THEY COULD DO EVERYTHING RIGHT AND STILL IMPACT YOUR PROPERTY.

IT'S UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE VARIANCES.

THIS IS A SCENARIO WHERE I DON'T THINK FOR A MOMENT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO ANYTHING TO IMPACT YOUR PROPERTY.

IT'S JUST THE WAY THE CHIPS ARE FALLING HERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. IT'S INTERESTING THAT Y'ALL'S ENGINEER DID NOT GO ON THE PROPERTY.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HEARD THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. REALLY WHAT WE'RE STUCK HERE IS WITH TWO ENGINEERS THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION HOW TO FIX IT.

WE ARE FALLIBLE AND MAKE MISTAKES.

NO MATTER HOW THIS WORKS OUT WILL BE IMPACTFUL TO YOUR PROPERTY. I'M IN A DIFFICULT POSITION TO WEIGH THAT AND CONSIDER THAT. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS FOR THE BOARD. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAS FURTHER COMMENTS? ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? STAFF? OKAY. I'M GOING TO OFFER ONE MORE TIME IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO WORK THAT OUT.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT. I'M NOT FAULTING ANY PARTY FOR THAT. I THINK YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AGAIN THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE BOARD.

LET ME BE CLEAR. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MALFEASANCE OR UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR.

THIS IS A TOUGH DECISION. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR

LEGAL. >> I HAVE BEEN SWAYED BY THE DIRECTION OF THE OTHER MEMBERS. I WANT TO REMOVE MY SECOND I CAN

DO THAT AT THIS TIME? >> YES, SIR.

>> I WITHDRAW ME SECOND. -- MY SECOND.

>> OKAY. SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE ASK FOR ANOTHER SECOND.

>> I HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH MY MOTION FAILING.

>> I MOTION TO DENY PLN APPL 2021-730 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.

UPHOLDING THE DECISION OF THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD AND DENYING THE REQUEST FOR A ZONING VARIANCE.

SECOND V 8.N FENCES AND WALLING SUBJECT TO FIVE FINDINGS OF

FACT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

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THANK YOU. LET ME FIND MY NOTES HERE.

I HAD A MEETING WITH MR. HERB PEYTON SEPTEMBER 23RD, 2021.

WE DISCUSSED THE DENIAL FROM THE PZA.

WE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH THAT DOES NOT OBJECT AND THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OVERALL PROJECT AND WHAT WAS INTENDED.

AND I THINK THAT WILL SUM UP THAT MEETING.

I ALSO HAD ANOTHER MEETING WITH MS. JANE ROLLESON ON SEPTEMBER 30, 2021. 1:00 P.M.

ALONG WITH OUR STAFF MR. BRAD MALTICE.

YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL ITEMS. FIVE OF FACT.

DISCUSSED THIS ONE. THE SECOND ONE LIKEWISE IN FRONTED FORM PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE DETAILS.

THEY RECOMMENDED AND SHE WENT THROUGH WHY THEY RECOMMENDED DENIAL. THAT WILL CONCLUDE MY

>> THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR DEAN.

>> YES, I MET ON SEPTEMBER 20TH AT 1 O'CLOCK WITH MS. ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND HERB PEYTON AND DISCUSSED THE PROJECT AND THE ACTIONS BY THE PZA AND WENT INTO SOME DETAIL ABOUT THE WHAT WAS THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE BASIS FOR THE RECOMMENDED DENIAL.

AND THEN ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 30TH, AT 2:00, I MET WITH JANE ROLLESON WHO I MENTIONED THIS MORNING AND AGREED ON THE FIVE ITEMS I BELIEVE.

THAT'S MY QUASI. >> THIS IS MR. VICE CHAIR.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 23RD, I MET WITH MS. ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND HERB PEYTON AND DISCUSSED THE VARIANCE REQUEST AND THE PARCELS THAT WERE AROUND IT.

THAT'S ALL WE REALLY DISCUSSED THERE AND I HAD SEPTEMBER 30, ' ' '12 -- 12:30 AND HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ITEMS

DISCUSSED. >> I MET WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND HERB PEYTON AND STAFF TO DISCUSS THE REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCE. ESSENTIALLY, IT WAS A DESIRE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE SWIMMING POOL IN A PLACE WHERE HE COULD SEE THE KIDS AND OTHER REASONS THAT WERE PERSONAL IN NATURE.

ON THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 30TH, AT 11:30 A.M., I MET WITH JAMIE ROLLESON TO DISCUSS A NUMBER OF ITEMS. AMONG WAS THIS VARIANCE REQUEST. THE PRIMARY CERTAIN WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE TREED REMOVED THAT WOULD CAUSE A LINE OF SIGHT FROM THE POOL AREA AT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AND CAUSE A DISTURBANCE TO THOSE USING THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU.

I MET ON THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 30TH WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH.

I WAS MADE AWARE ONE NEIGHBOR IS SUPPORTIVE THIS PROJECT AND TALKED ABOUT THE HOW THE DISCUSSION WENT AT PZA AND THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 23RD, AT 3:00 P.M. WITH MS. JANE ROLLESON, SHE MET TO DISCUSS A NUMBER OF PROJECTS AND ALSO BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THE CONCERNS THAT AND OTHERS.

THE BOARD'S ACTION WAS FOR THE TREES TO BE PRESERVED.

I DON'T RECALL HAVING ANY OTHER CORRESPONDENCE THAN THESE TWO MEETINGS. YES, MA'AM.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MR. CHAIRMAN.

COMMISSIONERS, ELLEN AVERY SMITH.

100 WHETSTONE ST. AUGUSTINE. WITH HE IS HERBERT PEYTON AND

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WE WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF AND IF WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. JUST TO ORIENT YOU.

HERE'S THE LOCATION OF THE PEYTON HOUSE RIGHT HERE.

YOU WILL SEE ON THE NORTH. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE PONTE VEDRA SPA. SO HERE'S THE PARKING LOT FOR THE SPA. AND HERE'S ACTUAL SPA IN THE POOL FOR THE SPA. YOU CAN SEE WHEN I WENT TO THE HOUSE AND STAND IN THE BACKYARD, YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE GETTING OUT OF THEIR CARS. THEY CAN SEE INTO THE BACKYARD OF THE PEYTON'S HOUSE. JUST FOR A WAY OF INFORMATION.

THIS IS A LITTLE BIT ZOOMED OUT. YOU SEE MOST OF THE HOUSES UP AND DOWN PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD JUST BACK UP ON TO THE GOLF COURSE, WHICH PUTS THIS PROPERTY IN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SCENARIO THAN IT DOES HAVE THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON TWO SIDES. WHERE THE OTHER PROPERTIES ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD HERE AND HERE DO NOT.

THEY BACK UP TO GOLF COURSE. THE REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THE HOME WITH A SWIMMING POOL.

SO THE APPROPRIATE PLACEMENT FOR THE POOL IS KEY BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY OF CHILDREN AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE SWIMMING IN THE POOL. THE REQUEST IS TO RELOCATE AN EXISTING GARAGE WITHIN THE REAR BUILDING SETBACK LINE.

WHICH TRIGGERS THE REQUEST FOR THE REDUCTION IN THE BUILDING SETBACK LINE FROM 25 FEET. AND THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD DID DENY IT. OUR FIRM DID NOT PRESENT THIS.

I AM NOT PRIVY WITH RESPECT TO HARDSHIP.

WE TIMELY FILED THIS APPEAL APPLICATION AS MR. MCCORMACK DENOTED ON THE EARLIER PROGRAM OR EARLIER HEARING, THIS IS DE NOVO AND SO WE WILL GO THROUGH AND PROVIDE YOU WITH THE INFORMATION FOR YOUR DECISION TODAY ON THE RECORD.

BY WAY OF ORIENTATION, THIS IS PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.

HERE'S THE EXISTING PEYTON RESIDENCE.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED ADDITION. AND THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY.

AND SO TO GET BACK HERE, THEY WOULD PROPOSE TO PUT THE GARAGE HERE, AGAIN THIS IS COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY AND THIS IS COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY FOR THE SPA.

SO THE IDEA, I THINK WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE PVZAZ IS PUTTING THE POOL BACK HERE AND HAS THE POOL IN VIEW OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY PARTICULARLY THIS PARKING LOT HERE.

AND THEN ALSO IF THE POOL IS BACK THERE, IT CANNOT BE SEEN FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE GARAGE WOULD THEN BE PLACED HERE. ALSO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER WHO WE'LL GET TO IN A MINUTE WHO WROTE A LETTER OF SUPPORT DOES NOT WANT THE GARAGE ON THEIR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY SO TO SPEAK. SO THE REQUEST AGAIN IS TO BE ABLE TO PLACE THE GARAGE HERE HAVE WITHIN THIS BUILDING SETBACK LINE YOU SEE THE REAR SETBACK LINE AND PUT THE POOL IN THIS LOCATION. YOU'RE OWN ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS. YOU HEARD ABOUT HARDSHIP.

THIS IS NOT CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST.

THIS ISN'T HURTING ANYONE. THIS IS TRYING TO HELP THE PEYTONS AVOID PRIVACY ISSUES WITHIN THE NEXT TO THE COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY AND THE CODE SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER BY REASON OF THE USE OR DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ADJOINING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IN QUESTION THAT THE LITERAL ENFORCEMENT OF THE REGULATIONS WOULD CAUSE THE HARDSHIP. HERE THE HARDSHIP IS LITERALLY THAT THIS PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED ON TWO SIDES BY COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY. YOU CANNOT REALLY REALISTICALLY PUT A SWIMMING POOL IN EYESIGHT OF PEOPLE PARKING THEIR CARS IN THE CLUB. OR FOR THE CLUB.

IT'S MUCH EASIER TO PUT THE GARAGE THERE WHICH WOULD BLOCK THE VIEW INTO THE PEYTON'S BACKYARD AND OF THE SWIMMING POOL. THAT SEEMS LIKE THE BETTER SOLUTION FOR PRIVACY AND OTHER SAFETY CONCERNS.

AND THEN AGAIN, THIS HARDSHIP IS PECULIAR TO THIS PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT HAS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON TWO SIDES. AND SO THAT'S THE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS SITE ITSELF.

THE PEYTON PROPERTY AGAIN IS LOCATED NEXT TO THE INN SPA.

WE REQUEST THAT THE GARAGE BE PUT IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND

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THESE TWO VIEWS FROM THE SPA CLUB AND PARKING LOT AND THE SWIMMING POOL CAN BE PLACED IN A MORE SECURE AND PRIVATE LOCATION. AND AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE HERE WOULD BE THE SWIMMING POOL. HERE WOULD BE THE GARAGE.

AND THAT'S, THIS IS THE SPECIFIC SITE PLAN THAT WE ARE ASKING THIS BOARD TO APPROVED IT. HERE IS THE LETTER THAT I WILL SUBMIT INTO THE RECORD FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERSHIP AND YOU NOTE THEY SUPPORT AND WROTE IN THEY DO NOT WANT THE GARAGE PLACED ON THEIR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY SO TO SPEAK.

THEY LIVE RIGHT HERE. THEY DO NOT WANT THE GARAGE PLACED IN THIS AREA OF THE PROPERTY.

THEY WANT IT TO BE PLACED IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER.

NOT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. AND SO I'LL SUBMIT THIS TO THE RECORD JUST SO IT WILL BE IN THE RECORD OF THIS HEARING.

SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOU APPROVE THIS APPEAL AND ALLOW THE PEYTONS TO CONSTRUCT THE GARAGE IN THE LOCATION WITHIN THAT BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE IN THE BACKYARD.

WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT

THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? LET'S OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

>> WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 8.

B.J. KLATY, 8 NEWCOME STREET. THIS APPEAL SHOULD BE DENIED.

ACCORDING TO THE PROPERTY APRAZ -- APPRAISER, THIS APPLICANT IS MARY. I SUGGEST THEY PUT IN A POOL IN FRONT. PUT A FENCE AROUND THAT AND CONSTRUCT THE GARAGE CLOSER TO WHERE THE POOL IS.

BECAUSE YOU SEE IT GOES BACK TO THE COMP PLAN AND OUR ZONING LAWS AND EITHER WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE THEM OR NOT ENFORCE THEM. I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE RESEARCH THAT I DID. HOPE YOU ALL CAN HEAR THIS.

MS. PEYTON WHO HAS THE SAME ADDRESS AS MR. HERBERT PEYTON IN JACKSONVILLE SHOULD ENCOURAGE THE FAMILY TO DONATE PROPERTY ON STATE ROAD 312 NEXT TO THE FISH ISLAND PRESERVE TO THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND NOT BUILD A CAR WASH.

IF THIS GOES THROUGH, MAYBE ONE NEIGHBOR WILL BE HAPPY BUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO DOWN THE LINE WHEN THE NEXT NEIGHBOR HAS THE SAME PROBLEM? WE SPENT HOW MUCH TWO HOURS THIS MORNING ON THESE APPEALS. THEY CAN'T GET INTO THE PZA AND GET IT DONE THEY ALWAYS HAVE TO BRING IT BACK HERE WITH AN ATTORNEY. SO, YOU VOTE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE AND WE ALL ARE LOOKING EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOBODY IN THE PUBLIC BECAUSE EVERYBODY WENT HOME AFTER THE BIG ONE AT 7:00.

SO. GOOD LUCK.

>> THANK YOU. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 8? SEEING NONE.

WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR.

WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE PLMAPPL 21-03, VAV 2021-05 CLOSED PRIN OVER TURNING THE DECISION OF THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD AND APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR VARIANCE 8 POINT L ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN ORDER TO ALLOW A YEAR YARD SETBACK OF FIVE FEET IN LIEU OF THE 25 FOOT REQUIREMENT TO ACCOMMODATE CONSTRUCTION OF A DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT AND FOUR CONDITIONS AS STATED STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> CAN WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE.

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PASSES 5-0. >> WE HAVE TWO FINE MEMBERS OF THE PVZAV. THEY HEARD ARGUMENT THAT WAS NOT

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ANYBODY'S FACE. >> ALREADY VOTED.

>> AGENDA ITEM 9. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

SHANNON ACEVEDO WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP.

THIS IS FOR A RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATION AT ESCAMBIA STREET.

YOU CAN SEE THE AREA WE'RE LOOKING FOR A VACATION.

IT'S ABOUT 300 FEET, JUST SHY OF 300 FEET ADJACENT TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH CURRENTLY UNOPENED. JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE, AND HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS AREA, THERE WAS ALREADY A RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATION FOR ESCAMBIA STREET DIRECTLY WEST OF IT. YOU CAN SEE THAT RESOLUTION THERE WAS BACK FROM 2016 WHEN THAT WAS APPROVED.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. THIS IS THE SURVEYED BOUNDARY OF THE AREA TO BE VACATED. FOURTH FEET IN WIDTH.

A LITTLE LESS THAN 300 FEET LONG.

BETWEEN MADYSON AND BREVARD STREET.

THE APPLICATION MATERIALS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.

MY CLIENT MR. ALAN FLETCHER IS HERE.

HE IS THE PETITIONER AND ALL APPLICATION MATERIALS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AND THERE'S CONFIRMATION OF NO ISSUES WITH UTILITIES IN THE AREA. AND THIS IS JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE AREA LOOKS LIKE.

THIS IS AERIAL IS A LITTLE OUTDATED.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT. THIS IS FACING WEST AND YOU CAN SEE THE HOME BEING BUILT AND THE AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR UNOPENED RIGHT-OF-WAY TO BE VACATED.

I WILL KEEP THIS REALLY SHORT BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL NEIGHBORS WITH CLOSE ADJACENCY TO THE REQUEST THAT APPROVED THE VACATION REQUEST AND WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THIS AREA REMAINED UNOPENED. THE NEIGHBORS DO NOT WANT TO SEE A ROAD BUILT DURING THIS STRETCH HERE.

SO WHEREVER YOU SEE A THUMB'S UP, THOSE ARE ALL NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE SIGNED A LETTER OF APPROVAL FOR THIS APPLICATION.

THAT'S PART OF YOUR PACKET. AND THEN JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY TO TOUCH ON, ALL OF THE IMPLEMENTS APPLICABLE WITHIN THE FLORIDA STATE STATUTES ARE MET WITH THIS REQUEST.

AND SO WITH THAT, MEETING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND REVIEW PROCEDURES. WE REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATION. I WILL STAND BY IF YOU HAVE

QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.

WHY DON'T WE, IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME?

>> WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 9. PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 9.

VACATION OF UNIMPROVED RIGHT-OF-WAY OCEAN GROVE SUB DIVISION. SEEING NONE.

MR. CHAIRMAN. >> OKAY.

PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021-431.

APPROVING VA CR OA 2021-07, ESCAMBIA STREET PETITION TO

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GROVE >> SECOND.

>> PLEASE VOTE. >> OKAY THAT PASSES 5-0.

WHY DON'T WE GO INTO AGENDA ITEM 10.

LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE DISCLOSURES.

COMMISSIONER >> NONE MR.

>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER

>> >>

>> >> COMMISSIONER SMITH?

>> NONE. I HAVE NONE AS WELL.

GOOD AFTERNOON SIR. >> DESOTO ROAD ST. AUGUSTINE, 23280. HERE BEFORE YOU TRYING TO REZONE A PIECE OF LAND. I'M TRYING TO REZONE TO WHAT WE HAVE DONE ON THE PAST TO COSTANERRO RMH.

THE INTENTION IS TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE PROPERTY.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM

THE BOARD? >> OKAY.

WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU. PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 10.

PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM 10. >> NO PUBLIC

>> OKAY. BACK TO YOU.

>> XHBL HENT PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED.

BACK TO THE BOARD. >> MR. CHAIRMAN I MAKE A

MOTION. >> THANK YOU MR. WALDRON.

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AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> OKAY WE HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.

SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES 5-0. WE WILL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM 11.

QUASI >>

>> >> VICE CHAIR.

>> NONE. >> SMITH.

>> NONE. >> I HAVE NONE AS WELL.

GOOD AFTERNOON MS. TAYLOR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARA GOSSA STREET.

I WILL BE MUCH QUICKER THAN I HAVE BEEN THIS MORNING.

I APOLOGIZE. ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU HAD THE ANOTHER. THIS IS HDG U.S. ONE NORTH.

THE APPLICATION IS TO REZONE FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE. THIS IS A SHOT OF THE SITE.

IT'S 1.96 ACRES. AND IT WOULD GO FROM THE OPEN RURAL TO THE COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE.

EAST SIDE OF U.S. ONE. ADJACENT TO AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, THE ONE WITH DOG TOWN AND THERE'S A LARGE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE EAST. THIS TO GIVE YOU GENERAL IDEA WHERE IT'S. PALENSIA AND NORTH OF THE STOKES ISLAND LANDING ROAD AND KIND EVER IN THE MIDDLE OF A REALLY INDUSTRIAL KIND OF AREA THAT'S, THAT HAS RESIDENTIAL BEHIND IT AND IT'S ACROSS FROM RESIDENTIAL.

>> GET CLOSER. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE NOTHING HAPPENED ON THAT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH BUT IT IS GETTING READY TO HAPPEN THAT YOU REZONE NOT TOO LONG AGO.

SO, THIS IS TO GIVE YOU THE LAND USE.

IT'S FIRMLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MIXED USE.

THERE IS INDUSTRIAL ACROSS THE ROAD AND RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST AND THEN RESIDENTIAL CORDOVA PALMS A LITTLE TO THE SOUTH.

JUST A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ZONINGS BUT THERE A LOT OF IW, IH AND CW AS WELL IN THE AREA. AGAIN WE'RE SURROUNDED BY THE OR IN THE BACKGROUND. JUST TO LOOK AT IT.

THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS REZONED RECENTLY.

WE DIDN'T REZONE THIS BUT SO THIS ONE KIND OF FILLS THE LOOP THERE. THE GAP THAT IS THERE.

JUST A COUPLE PICTURES. IT'S PRETTY JUST NORTH OF IT.

KIND OF COMING FROM THE SOUTH LOOKING NORTH.

PROBABLY ALL HAVE DRIVEN THIS A LOT OF TIMES.

SO IT'S GOT 150 FEET OF FRONTAGE.

IT WILL DEVELOP SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU, THE OTHER THINGS YOU HAVE SEEN THE CW IS THE FLEXIBLE YOU KNOW THAT ALLOWS THE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USES AS WELL AS THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. AND THAT ALLOWS FOR A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY WHEN YOU BUILD SPACE FOR LEASE.

AND THE LAND USES ARE DEEMED COMPATIBLE.

THEY'RE IN A MIXED USE DISTRICT AND THEY WILL BE COMPATIBLE TOO.

HE DOES HAVE TO MEET CERTAINLY STANDARDS IN THE CW CLASSIFICATION, THE COUNTY HAS GONE BECAUSE YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL AND YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL INTENSEIFF THAT HAVE DIFFERENT BUFFERS. YOU GO WITH THE INDUSTRIAL BUFFER. IF IT CHANGES, IT STAYS WITH 30.

CAN BE A B OR C. ANYWAY, THIS IS APPROPRIATE AREA FOR IT. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING AROUND IT. AND REQUESTING APPROVAL.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY COMMENTS? FROM THE BOARD.

OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 11. ITEM 11.

>> SEEING NONE. BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.

IS THERE A MOTION. >> I'M PROVED TO MOVE ENACT

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THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> OKAY WE HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM

BOARD? >> OKAY.

SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES 5-0. AGENDA ITEM 12.

WE HAVE DISCLOSURES. MR. WHITEHURST?

>> NONE MR. CHAIRMAN. >> WALDRON NONE MR.

>> SMITH. >> NONE.

>> I HAVE NONE AS >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> THANK YOU GUYS. SIMILAR TO AS WE HAVE DONE ON CAST ANNERO IS THE LOTS THAT FRONT A 1 A.

THOSE LOTS ALSO ARE ZONED CN ASKING FOR A REZONE OVER TO RMH TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON THE PROPERTY.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? LET'S OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 12. ITEM 12.

NONE MR. CHAIRMAN. >> PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED.

BACK TO THE BOARD. >> MR. CHAIRMAN.

I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE

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AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> OKAY WE HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

>> PASSES 5-0. NOW WE'RE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13. AGENDA ITEM 13.

GOOD AFTERNOON. HELLO.

HOW ARE YOU? GOOD AFTERNOON.

WE FEEL VERY FORTUNATE WE'RE ABLE TO BRING THIS BEFORE YOU.

AND IT'S A VACATION APPLICATION TO SEEK VACATION ON A PIECE OF

LAND. >> SIR, DID YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? MY NAME IS DAN BUSHNELL, 2516 OLEANDER STREET. AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHERE THE LOCATION IS, IT'S ON THE ISLAND AND IT'S HI -- HYDRANGEA STREET. WHAT IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW IS THE STRIP OF LAND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND IT WAS PLATTED IN 1920S. AND THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS PLOTTED IN THE 1920S AND INTERESTINGLY, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS A COUNTY NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S SURROUNDED BY THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH. ANYWAY, THE STRIP OF LAND IS 25 FEET WIDE AND THERE ARE FOUR LOT OWNERS INVOLVED AND THEY'RE ALL ADJACENT TO THE STRIP OF LAND AND IT HAS NO USE FOR THE COUNTY SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING TO VACATE.

SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I MAYBE COULD ANSWER.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> OKAY.

WHY DON'T WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 13. ITEM 13.

SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN. BACK TO --

>> THANK YOU, WITH PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED.

IS THERE A MOTION? >> MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> YES, SIR. READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021-432, APPROVING THE VACATION

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PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.

NOW TO AGENDA ITEM 14. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THIS IS A QUASI ADDITIONAL MATTER.

START WITH >> NONE MR. CHAIRMAN.

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>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER, MR.

>> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> NONE MR. CHAIRMAN. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> I HAD NONE AS WELL. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

KATHRYN WHITTINGTON, SAINT AUGUSTINE.

YOU ARE GOING AT BREAK NECK SPEED.

MY CLIENT IS ON HIS WAY. IS IT POSSIBLE TO CARRY ANY OTHER BUSINESS LIKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> YOU ARE THE LAST AGENDA ITEM. >> I KNOW.

[Public Comment (Part 1 of 2)]

COMMENTS? >> WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE

BOARD? >> OKAY.

>> OKAY. HOW FAR OUT IS YOUR CLIENT?

>> WE WILL TEMPORARILY -- COME BACK TO THIS.

>> IF IT GETS FINISH WE WILL GO. >> WHY DON'T WE GO TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. WE WILL NOW TAKE UP GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN TIME PERIOD.

ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM. YOU WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD. NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL AND PERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS.

MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REMAIN FROM ANY DISRUPTIVE OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS.

ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS OVER HEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF THE COURT.

NOW WE ARE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC COMMENT. YES, SIR.

NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. I THINK I FORGOT TO SAY THAT.

CORNEILIA INGRAM. SUMMER HAVEN BEACH SOUTH.

GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS AND ST. JOHNS CITY STAFF.

I'M SURE YOU KNOW SUMMER HAVEN FEMA PROJECT IS NOW COMPLETE.

ENVIRONMENTAL DID A GOOD ONE FOR IT.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE EFFORTS OF ST. JOHNS CITY STAFF, NOTABLY VALERIE VASETTY. IT'S SO WONDERFUL AND VERY EXCITING TO SEE THE RIVER FLOW ONCE AGAIN AND AMAZING TO SEE THE MARINE LIFE RETURNING TO THIS UNIQUE PART OF THE RIVER.

MAY I ASK TWO ADDITIONAL REQUESTS TO CONSIDER FOR THE FUTURE. TO ESTABLISH A PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE NEW BERM AND A RESPONSE PERMIT FOR REPAIRS IF NEEDED. THIS WOULD SERVE SO PROTECT THE BERM, ALL PROPERTIES THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER AND THE A1 A HIGHWAY. OUR COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FORWARD TO AN IMPROVED DRIVING PATH IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT OVER THE LAST FOUR, FIVE YEARS. I LIKE, IT'S GREAT TO HEAR SOMETHING GOOD RATHER THAN ALL THESE NEGATIVE

>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

>> YES, MA'AM. NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

>> B.J. KLATY, WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

TAXPAYERS, REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER 2020, THE TAX COLLECTOR MR HOLLINGSWORTH RETURNED 5 MILLION EI$859,003 FOR THE THE COUNTY'S GENERAL FUND. HE DID NOT ASK FOR IT TO BE SET ASIDE FOR HIS OFFICE. TAXPAYERS PAID $80,000.

FOR A TOTAL OF $403,413.90 A YEAR.

LET ME THANK OUR RESIDENTS WHO COME TO THE MEETINGS TO SPEAK FOR QUALITY OF LIFE AND THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE SEPTEMBER 21, 2021, BZC MEETING AS WELL AS AS TODAY'S MEETING A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD BE PUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETINGS.

TIME FOR THE BOARD AND STAFF TO SPEAK SHOULD SHOULD HAVE BEEN CUT SEPTEMBER 21ST, TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WAS CUT SEPTEMBER 21ST. CATERING TO LAWYERS AND DEVELOPERS AND RAMBLE WHILE RUSHING THE PUBLIC TO LINE UP LIKE CATTLE TO SPEAK IS RUDE. THE WORD FOR TODAY SINCE I

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I KNOW THIS WON'T BE ANSWERED. DOES ANYONE UP HERE KNOW WHAT A BAT HOUSE IS? IT'S PART OF THE UF EXTENSION OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. I'M HOPING I CAN TALK TO ONE PERSON WHO MAY KNOW WHAT A BAT HOUSE IS.

MR. WALDRON IS LOOKING IN THAT DIRECTION.

MAYBE AND OTHER PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THE BAT HOUSE IS.

WHEN I SAW THAT IN THE BACKUP STUFF, I THOUGHT, COVID-19, SOME

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WITH A BAT HOUSE. I WILL CHECK IT UP AFTER THE

MEETING ENDS THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? WELL, I THINK THAT COMPLETES

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WITH GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PRECLUDED. MISS WITTING TON.

ARE YOU READY? >> I AM READY.

HE'S NOT HERE YET BUT MAY POP IN.

WAS YOUR CLIENT GOING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD?

>> ONLY IF YOU NEED HIM. >> WHY DON'T YOU START.

THIS IS THE MARSHALL CREEK DRI BUILD OUT AGREEMENT.

THE DEVELOPER WHO IS NOT HERE IS HYNES INTERNATIONAL.

IF HE WAS HERE, IT WOULD BE WALTER O'SHEA.

HE IS THE MASTER MIND BEHIND THE PROJECT.

THIS MARSHALL CREEK DRI IS KNOWN AS PALENSIA.

I'M SURE YOU HAVE SEEN THIS SIGN.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 1988.

NOW IT'S 23 YEARS OLD AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR 21 OF THE YEARS. WITH ALL OF THE PROJECT I HELPED DEVELOP. THERE'S NONE I AM MORE PROUD OF THAN THIS ONE. THE DRI IS COMPOSED OF 3 PUD.

FLU IS PALENSIA NORTH AND ORANGE IS LACOLINAS.

PUD. THIS IS A STATUTORY AGREEMENT.

THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE AMENDED THIS STATUTE IN 2018 TO STRIKE THE DRI PROVISIONS FOR WHAT WERE CALLED THE EBOA.

ESSENTIALLY BUILT OUT AGREEMENTS AND ELIMINATED STATE OVER SIGHT BY THE DEO. USED TO BE DC A.

DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

DC A, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS AND TURNED IT OVER TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE DOWN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY SO WE'RE BLAZING NEW TERRITORY HERE.

BECAUSE OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT WORK ROADS, UTILITIES HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO CLOSE OUT THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER THAT TERMINATES THE DEI ORDER AND PRESERVES THE DEVELOPMENT WORK AND TRIPS.

ALL IMPACTS OF THE DRI HAVE BEEN FULLY MITIGATED.

AS IT SAYS IN STAFF REPORT. ALL OBLIGATION AND MITIGATION HAS BEEN SATISFIED. OUR CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN FULFILLED. THIS WILL MEMORIALIZE ALL AGREEMENTS AND PRESERVES THE REMAINING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND RESERVE TRIPS. SO SOME OF THE PROJECT BENEFITS.

THERE ARE 861 ACRES PRESERVED UNDER CONSERVATION EASEMENTS TO DATE. 244 ACRES ARE UP LANDS AND 616 OF WETLANDS. THEY HAVE COMPLETED THE SURFACE WATER MONITORING PROGRAM FOR 10 YEARS THEY HAVE MONITORED THE WATER WAYS AND THERE WAS VIRTUALLY NO DEGRADATION OF ANY WATER BY DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE 50 ACRES OF NATIVE PLANNINGS INSTALLED THAT DO NOT REQUIRE IRRIGATION.

20.5 OF NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND 24.68 OF COMMUNITY PARK.

NORTH LOOP PARK WAYS DESIGNED AS XERIS SCAPE LANDSCAPE.

VILLAGE SCREEN AND THE LINEAR PARK ALONG PALENSIA CLUB DRIVE.

DOLLARS A SWIM AND FITNESS CENTER

>> THE RIVER BOARD WALK AND FISHING TIER.

10 ACRE ATHLETIC FACILITY HAS BEEN CONVEYED TO THE COUNTY.

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THE PALENSIA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, $3,622,000 IN TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS COMPLETED. THE PALENSIA GOLF CLUB.

BEST IN CLASS. 33,000 SQUARE FEET OF CLUBHOUSE CHAMPIONSHIP COURSE AND PRACTICE FACILITY.

THIS IS ON THE LEFT IS THE DRI ORIGINAL APPROVED DEVELOPMENT VERSUS THE REMAINING OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE RIGHT.

ORIGINALLY, WELL AS IT'S BEEN MODIFIED, THEY WERE 2274 DWELLING UNITS AND NOW THERE ARE 83 LEFT.

RETAIL SERVICE IS 9500. OFFICE 179544 SQUARE FEET LEFT AND ALL GOLF HOLES COMPLETED. FOR QUICK VISUALS OF PALENSIA THAT WILL DEMONSTRATE WHY I AM SO PROUD OF THE PROJECT.

YOU CAN SEE THE GOLF COURSE THAT WINDS THROUGH ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS AERIAL SHOWS THE NEIGHBORHOODS WRAPPING AROUND THE GOLF COURSE AND GOLF HOLES.

THIS IS THE PARK SIDE, TRELLIS PARK AND MISSION PARK NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS IS THE GOLF CLUBHOUSE AND RESTAURANT. THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE GOLF CLUBHOUSE. THIS IS VILLAGE GREEN OVER LOOKING THE GOLF COURSE. IT'S A PARK AREA USED FOR WEDDINGS AND EVENTS. THIS IS THE PALENSIA COMMUNITY POOL AND AMENITIES. PALENSIA NORTH FITNESS CENTER.

PALENSIA NORTH ATHLETIC POOL. PALENSIA TENNIS CLUB FACILITY.

THIS IS THE PALENSIA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

THIS IS AN AREAIEL OF THE PALENSIA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FACILITIES. THIS IS THE COMMUNITY PARK.

IT'S BEEN DEDICATED TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR A PUBLIC PARK.

EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A POCK UP PARK WITH PLAY EQUIPMENT OR PASSIVE PARK WITH GREEN SPACE. THIS IS SOME THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT PALENSIA COMMONS, MERCADO WALK.

THEY ARE ON THE CUTTING EDGE BACK IN THE DAY OF TND.

TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN IN THE VILLAGE CENTER.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF IT. THIS IS MARKET STREET AT NIGHT.

THESE ARE LIVED WORK UNITS. FIRST FLOOR IS RETAIL AND SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR ARE RETAIL. THIS IS A NEW CONCEPT WHEN THEY PUT THAT IN. THIS IS THE RIVER BOARD WALK.

ONE HALF MILE TO THE PICNIC AREA AND SEVEN TENS TO THE FISHING

PIER >> THE BOARD WALK IS 1.2 MILES LONG. LEADS OUT INTO THE INTERCOASTAL WATER WAY TO A FISHING PIER AT THE END.

AND THIS IS MY FAVORITE SHOT OF THE BOARD WALK.

HANGING ON MY OFFICE WALL. TOOK ME 10 YEARS JUST TO CLEAR THE TITLE TO THAT LAND. AND I WILL TELL YOU A LITTLE QUICK FUN FACT. THE DAY AFTER WE SETTLED ALL THE CLAIMS ON THE TITLE, WE WENT OVER TO ARNOLDS TO HAVE A GLASS OF CHAMPAGNE AND LITTLE DID WE KNOW THEY DID NOT HAVE CHAMPAGNE. THE NEXT DAY THEY CAUGHT ON FIRE. SOME KIDS ON THE ISLAND WAS ROASTING OYSTERS AND FIDDLER CRABS WITH A MAGNIFYING GLASS.

IT'S SINCE BEEN REPLACED AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE.

YOU SHOULD GO THERE. THAT'S THE END LITERALLY.

UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR JUST ME.

WALTER IS NOT HERE IDEA. I'M HERE.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU.

ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.

WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM 14. PALENSIA OR MARSHALL CREEK BUT NEVERTHELESS. PUBLIC COMMENT.

SEEING NONE. GO BACK TO THE BOARD.

OKAY. HERE'S A MOTION HERE.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION ON 14. I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE DRI MOD 2018-05. APPROVING THE MARSHALL CREEK DRI BUILD OUT AGREEMENT BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

[Commissioners’ Reports]

SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

SO WHY DON'T WE MOVE INTO COMMISSIONER REPORTS.

COMMISSIONER SMITH, WHY DON'T WE START WITH YOU.

SURE. ABSOLUTELY.

SURE. NO, I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS I WILL MAKE AT THE END. I WILL SAVE MINE FOR THE END.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> WELL JUST QUICKLY, I WANT TO SAY THAT PRESENTATION ON THE CLOSE OUT OF MARSHALL CREEK BROUGHT BACK A FEW MEMORIES. I REMEMBER AT THE TIME I WAS WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, AND THAT WAS ONE OF OUR FIRST MAJOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT PRECEDED BOTH NOCCATEE AND SILVER LEAF. HAPPY TO THOSE WHO FIND ENJOYMENT LIVING IN PALENSIA. SECONDLY, TODAY IS OCTOBER 5TH, SO, THURSDAY WILL BE THE 5TH ANNIVERSARY OF MATTHEW AND FOR THOSE OF US ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME OR JOINING THE BOARD, IT WAS KIND OF AN INTERESTING SITUATION PERSONALLY.

I HAD WON ELECTION IN THE PRIMARY IN AUGUST SO I WASN'T SWORN IN UNTIL NOVEMBER. SO I FOUND MYSELF AS A COMMISSIONER-ELECT MOVING MY FAMILY TO TALLAHASSEE AND MANY CALLING ME ABOUT HURRICANE ISSUES.

THAT WAS A CRAZY TIME AS WE CAN ALL ATTEST TO.

I THINK IT WAS JUST, HOPEFUL HE WE WILL GET THROUGH THE REMAINING SEASON WITHOUT ANY SURPRISES.

BUT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING TIME.

YEAH. KNOCK ON WOOD.

FOR THE RECORD THAT WAS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ALL THE WAY.

THAT'S -- WHAT? NO.

NO. GLAD WE CLARIFIED THAT.

SO. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> THANK YOU.

I HAD TO FIND MY PIECE OF PAPER. >> PROBABLY HAD TO FIND SOME

WOOD TOO. >> JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

WE HAD A FEW SEVERAL DAYS WITHOUT RAIN THAT ALLOWED FOR PROGRESS OF THE FIELDS TO BE MADE.

HAY HAS BEEN CUT. DRIED BAILED AND THE BARN.

GROUND PREPARATION HAS BEEN ACTIVE IN THE HASTINGS AREA.

PLANTING OF CABBAGE, BROCCOLI, CAULIFLOWER CONTINUES.

CABBAGE APPEARS TO BE GROWING FAST.

FARMERS AND OTHER PRODUCERS AND CONTRIBUTORS TO OUR ECONOMY FOR FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN PARTS AND OTHER NECESSITIES.

FEDERAL UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS FOR THE WORK FORCE TO WORK ARE CREATING REAL CHALLENGES. I JUST HAD A PHONE CALL WHILE I WAS SITTING HERE EARLY THIS MORNING.

GOING TO BE A MONTH BEFORE WE GET A VITAL PART OF MY BROTHER AND HIS OPERATION AND IT'S JUST DON'T REALIZE WHAT IT'S DOING TO OUR PRODUCERS. LIKEWISE, FERTILIZER COSTS AND OTHER RAW MATERIALS ARE ON THE RISE.

LAST YEAR'S DRY BOLT OF FERTILIZER MIX WAS $473 PER TON.

THIS YEAR ALMOST $800 PER TON. A FRONT TIRE ON A TRACTOR I HAD BLOW OUT ON FRIDAY WAS $650. THIS YEAR $1,200.

IF IT CAN BE OBTAINED. OTHERS CONTINUE TO SAY, DON'T WORRY OR OTHER INFLATION. I SAY YOU BETTER WATCH IT.

FOOD PRICES MUCH AND ARE ON THE INCREASE.

THE ONE THING I WAS LOOKING FOR AND I HAD BACK IN APRIL.

I ASKED FOR PERMISSION TO PURSUE ON A PARTICULAR ITEM.

I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A MEETING WHERE WE WEREN'T OVERWHELMED WITH A LOT OF AGENDA ITEMS, TODAY WAS NOT ONE OF THOSE DAYS BUT I'M GOING TO BRING IT FORWARD ANYWAY.

LAST APRIL WE TALKED ABOUT CULVERTS.

I MET WITH DWYANE KENT AND HE PRESENTED THIS MEMORANDOM ON JULY 8TH. I'M GOING TO BRING IT FORWARD TODAY. HE MAKES THREE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TWO OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND I JUST WOULD LIKE STAFF TO AGENDA ITEM AND STUDY IT. I WANT TO SAY A THANK YOU TO HIM AND HIS STAFF FOR LOOKING INTO IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO RECTIFY

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TO ALL COMMISSIONERS. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU, MAKE SURE WE'RE, DOES EVERYONE AGREE? DO WE HAVE ROOM ON THE NEXT AGENDA?

>> GIVE US TIME TO GET IT PRESENTED.

WE CAN GET IT ON THE FIRST IN NOVEMBER.

>> WE WILL DO THAT. ALL RIGHT.

I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER SMITH WAS THAT --

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

NOTHING MR. CHAIRMAN. >> OKAY.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AT THE FINAL BUDGET MEETING.

THE NOTION WE MADE A TAX INCREASE.

I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.

MOST PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IF YOU BUY SOMETHING FROM A STORE SALES TAX WILL BE CHARGED. IF YOU BUY AN ITEM FOR $2,000, YOU WILL RECEIVE THE SAME PERCENTAGE.

NOBODY BELIEVES THE TAX WAS INCREASED RATHER THE VALUE THAT WAS PURCHASED INCREASED. THIS IS WIDELY UNDERSTOOD AS IT RELATES TO SIMPLE PURCHASES OR THE COUNTY'S MILLAGE RATE.

THE ASSESSED VALUE OF ANY PROPERTY IN ST. JOHNS HAS GONE UP BUT THE RATE IN THE TAX IS THE SAME.

MAINTAINING THE SAME MILLAGE RATE BUT AT THE SAME TAX RATE IS FALSE. I FELT I NEEDED TO COUNTER THAT TO ENSURE WE HAVE A CLEAR STANDARD AS A BOARD TO EVALUATE.

I WENT BACK TO 2015 AND KIND OF MOVED FORWARD AND WATCHED THOSE MEETINGS UNFOLD. NOT ONLY DID EVERY BOARD APPROVE THE MILLAGE 5-0. THERE WAS NOT ONE MENTION BY MAINTAINING BY A TAX INCREASE. GOING BACK 30 YEARS, THE BOARD ONLY OPTED FOR A ROLL BACK TWICE.

IN '08 AND LAST YEAR WITH COVID. I WELCOME FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM FROM THE BOARD. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THE BOARD HAS A CONSISTENT STANDING ON THE BUDGET IN THE FUTURE.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. JUST IN RESPONSE TO THAT.

I DID VOTE FOR THE ROLL BACK RATE 2020, I FELT AS A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE AT THIS POINT, WE HAD PEOPLE COMING OUT OF COVID AND FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOU POINTING THAT OUT.

RCORDING MATTER AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT.

I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I DID NOT SUPPORT THE ROLL BACK RATE THIS YEAR BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HEARD A PRESENTATION FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT TALKED ABOUT THEIR ISSUES.

I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT THAT.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS A TAX INCREASE.

SO. I MEAN, RECORDS MATTER AND I APPRECIATE YOU POINTING THAT OUT.

I FEEL COMPELLED AS YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, TO SHARE, MY PERSPECTIVE ON THAT FROM MY POINT.

I DON'T THINK EVERYONE IS GOING TO AGREE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S PRODUCTIVE TO SAY SOMEONE IS MORE CONSERVED OR LESS CONCERNED. WE HEARD DIFFICULT MATTERS AND I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PRIOR, I WAS NOT ON THE BOARD THEN SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THE DISCUSSIONS WENT.

SO, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> YEAH.

ABSOLUTELY. IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE.

I I GUESS I WAS SORT OF SURPRISED BY THE COMMENTS WHEN THEY WERE MADE. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE ALL SORT OF READING FROM THE SAME SHEET

OF MUSIC. >> I AGREE.

>> WE HAD AN ITEM IT WAS SORT OF UNDERSTAND THIS WAS A POSSIBLE TAX INCREASE AND VOTED UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT WAS.

I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. >> I DID NOT AGREE THE VOTE WAS A TAX INCREASE. SO, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU POINT OUT, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR PRIOR BOARDS.

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YOUR SAYING THEY WERE PRIOR VOTES AND THERE WAS NOT A ROLL

BACK RATE? >> I'M NOT TRYING TO CALL YOU OUT. I'M JUST TRYING TO --

>> SO, I GOT DATA GOING BACK TO 30 YEARS.

THERE'S BEEN NO ROLLED BACK RATE PRIOR TO LAST YEAR AND THE MANDATE IN FISCAL YEAR '08 BUDGET DECISION OF THE ST. JOHNS BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. I DID WATCH THE VIDEOS BECAUSE I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONVERSATION THAT WENT INTO THE FINAL BUDGET HEARING. I WENT BACK TO 2015 BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH TIME IN THE DAY.

AT NO MATTER LEAD BY DOUG TAMES OR JESSE.

AT NO POINT WAS THERE A DISCUSSION BY ANY BOARD IT WAS A TAX INCREASE. I WANT TO BE AS CONSISTENT AS

POSSIBLE. >> I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT TO US. THAT'S A POINT OF LEARNING AND UNDERSTANDING. I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND DEFENSIVE OR ANYTHING. I GOT YOU.

I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT. I UNDERSTAND.

OKAY. WELL, LET ME SEE HERE.

OKAY. WELL, I WAS GOING TO BRING THIS UP AT THE LAST MEETING. THIS WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE.

WE'RE GOING INTO OUR BUDGET CYCLE.

THESE ARE SOME NOTES I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO BRING UP.

THE WEST AUGUSTINE CRA. I'M GOING TO MAKE THE BOARD AWARE. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE STAFF TO REVIEW 2001 CRA. KEY RECOMMENDATIONS AND BRING BACK A RECOMMENDATION AS TO MAINTAIN A REVISING.

I THINK WE'RE 20 YEARS PAST THAT.

I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS I NEED TO LOOK AT.

I HAD A NUMBER OF MEETING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.

THE BOARD MADE DECISIONS THAT ARE NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY AT THIS TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US RE-LOOK AT THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST STAFF TO REVIEW THE TIF, THE EXPENDITURES AND PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD ABOUT A POSSIBLE REVISION.

THAT'S IMPORTANT. I TALKED TO MR. MCCORMACK ABOUT THAT. THERE WAS AN ORIGINAL DECISION PRIOR TO US BEING ON THE BOARD AND DECISIONMAKING.

SOME OF THE ALLOTMENT AND EXPENDITURES REALLY NEED TO BE RELOOKED AT, AT THIS POINT WITH HOW THEY'RE BEING PUT BACK IN.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF TO RE-INITIATE THE SAINT AUGUSTINE TO BRING TO THE REVIEW BOARD. I MET WITH MEMBERS OF COMMUNITY AND THERE ARE SERIOUS ISSUES IMPACTFUL TO THE RESIDENTS THERE. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOOL WE CAN HOPEFULLY LOOK AT DOING. ALSO LIKE TO REQUEST AUTHORIZATION TO REVISE AND RE-SEND THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE CRA PROJECT, THIS IS WEST AUGUSTINE WEST DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. COMMISSIONER WALDRON, YOU SIGNED THAT LETTER AND I THINK IT WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO. IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT LETTER AND SEND IT.

I WILL LIKE TO GET BOARD CONSENSUS ON THAT.

I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE BOARD CONSENSUS ON GETTING STAFF TO BRING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. OKAY.

OKAY. SO IF WE CAN GET THAT LOOKED AT.

THE OTHER TWO ISSUES I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP.

THERE ARE THREE. I WILL TRY TO GO QUICKLY HERE.

PONTE VEDRA BEACH HORSE MANURE ISSUE.

I HAVE GOTTEN A NUMBER OF ISSUES FROM CONSTITUENTS CONCERNED WE HAVE HORSES FROM THE EQUESTRIAN COMMUNITY RIDING ON THE BEACH AND VERY SPECIAL AND IMPORTANT TO THE HORSE COMMUNITY.

THE PROBLEM IS HORSES OBVIOUSLY HAVE BODILY FUNCTIONS AND THERE'S SOME MANURE BEING ACCUMULATED ON THE BEACH.

THIS IS CREATING AND ANST FOR VISITORS.

I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT OPTIONS TO ADDRESS THIS.

CREATING, OBVIOUSLY WHEN DOGS ON ARE THE BEACH.

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THIS IS A UNIQUE ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN BUBBLING UP QUITE A BIT.

I HAVE GOTTEN A NUMBER OF ANGRY E-MAILS.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL RECEIVE THE SAME E-MAILS.

HAVING LIVED IN THAT AREA HAS BECOME A PROBLEM.

SO IF WE COULD DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD GET THAT LOOKED AT. THE OTHER ISSUE IS, WE HAVE KIND OF HAD THIS ON GOING ISSUE WITH THE YARD WASTE PICK UP.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS LOOK AT.

IF THERE'S ONE OFFICIALLY FEASIBLE.

NO ONE IF THAT'S $5. $100.

I DON'T KNOW MR. CONRAD. YOU AND I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO TALK. AT ONE OF ON OUR PRIOR MEETINGS, WE HAD A REPRESENTATIVE FROM REPUBLIC.

>> JACKSONVILLE AND OTHER COUNTIES GOING THROUGH A WORSE SITUATION THAN WE ARE. JACKSONVILLE RECYCLING IS PILING UP. WE HAVE RESIDENTS PAYING FOR A SERVICE AND NOT GETTING IT. I DON'T KNOW, HAVE Y'ALL DONE PRELIMINARY LOOK INTO THIS? MY APOLOGIES IN THE ASKING BEFORE. I WILL GET WITH MR. DUNN.

SCHRADER AND PROVIDE A WHITE PAPER IMPLEMENTING A REBATE AND WHAT THE RETURN WOULD BE PER HOUSEHOLD AND THE BOARD CAN MAKE A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT A FUTURE DATE YOU WANT TO BRING THAT BACK. IF I MAY, RELATED TO THE HORSE MANURE, I WANT TO PROVIDE CONTEXT.

THERES A POLICY IN PLACE BEING EFFECTUATED BY COUNTY STAFF.

I WOULD LIKE US TO TAKE IT TO THE COMMUNITY.

SOME IS OPERATIONAL. REVIEW THE ORDINANCE WITH COMMUNITY WORKSHOPIS HEARING FRM BOTH SIDES AND INDIVIDUALS SEEING IT ON THE BEACH AND BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD.

I WANT TO CONFIRM ON THAT. >> THE OTHER ISSUE, I WILL CLOSE WITH THAT. STAFF HAS INFORMATION THEY NEED TO PUT OUT. I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TOUR THE PONTE VEDRA CONCERT HALL AND REALLY LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR MAXIMIZING THE POTENTIAL FOR THE PONTE VEDRA CONCERT HALL. THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE. AS WE COME OUT OF COVID, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO REALLY MAXIMIZE THAT AS A VENUE.

I HAVE SPOKEN WITH MR. BRADLEY. MS. ANDREWS.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IF WE HAVE OPTIONS.

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IT'S MY DISTRICT. SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO BRING THAT. IS THERE CONSENSUS FOR STAFF TO LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER? OKAY.

MS. ANDREWS AND MR. BROWN. I KNOW YOU NEEDED MORE DIRECTION. IS THIS A GOOD OUTLINE AS FAR AS OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES. WE WERE GOING TO HAVE AN UPDATE

ON HOME AGAIN. >> I HAVE TWO THINGS TO GIVE YOU. I WILL LET MS. ANDREWS GIVE YOU

THE UPDATE ON HOME AGAIN. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE I HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM ONLY AGAIN.

MR. MIKE BIENS. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH HOME AGAIN AND OUR STAFF HAS BEEN VERY DILIGENT TAKING THE DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD TO CONVEY THE COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE HOME AGAIN HOW WE'RE GOING TO ASSIST WITH

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SO, THIS SITE, ACCORDING TO OUR DOCUMENT, WE HAVE 5.2 ACRES ZONED FOR PUBLIC SERVICE. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ACTIONABLE MOTION OR DECISIONS. WE WILL BRING THAT BACK FOR THE THE FUTURE MEETINGS FOR BOARD TO DECIDE AND GIVE US DIRECTION.

WANTED TO GIVE A COUPLE OPTIONS. THE BOARD WILL BE ASKED IF WE WOULD LIKE TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT AGREEMENT FOR THE SERVICE THAT IS DESCRIBED IN THE CONTRACT TO BE OFFERED AT THIS SITE AND IN BETWEEN NOW AND THE FEATURE ACTIONABLE MOTION THAT IS GOING TO BE REQUESTED WE'RE GOING TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO HELP THEM RELOCATE AND WHAT KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE WE'RE GOING TO NEED.

AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE MAP. THERE ARE THREE SECTIONS OF THE PROPERTY. EACH IS ABOUT 2 ACRES SO WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH HOME AGAIN TO SEE WHICH SITE IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SERVICE THEY ARE PROVIDING.

OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT ACCESS POINT.

THE SEWER WATER AND THE POTENTIAL SOME SORT OF SEPTIC TANK IS GOING TO BE NEEDED. AND THE TYPE OF OPERATION THEY'RE GOING TO OFFER. MR. DAVIS REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. I THINK WEST AUGUSTINE CRA WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS SERVICE TO BE OFFERED AT THIS SITE.

OF COURSE WE HAVE MORE DUE DILIGENCE WE NEED TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND A FUTURE DISCUSSION AND DECISION ITEM.

I WANTED TO MENTION TODAY WE HAVE A COUPLE TIMELINES THAT WE WANTED TO UPDATE THE BOARD WITH. WE HAVE CURRENTLY A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH HOME AGAIN THAT IS TERMINATING ON OCTOBER 14TH.

AND ACCORDING TO THE UNIFIED RELOCATION ACT.

WE HAVE OBLIGATION OF 90 DAYS TO NOTIFY HOME AGAIN TO RELOCATE BECAUSE OF THE PROJECT THAT IS COMING UP.

SO THAT DATE IS GOING TO BE DUE ON OCTOBER 17TH.

SO WE HAVE SET A CLOSING DATE TO CONVEY THE VICTORIA CROSSING TO TURN STONE. THIS IS VERY SIGNIFICANT AS FAR AS WE LOOK AT INVESTMENTS. WE HAVE COMMITTED TO HOUSING AUTHORITY APPROVED A BOND OF $5 MILLION.

CDBY ARE GOING TO CONTRIBUTE 13 MILLION TO $15 MILLION AND TURN STONE IS BRINGING ON THEIR THIRD PARTY INVESTORS AND COMMIT TO INVEST $9.1 MILLION. THERE IS A LOT OF INVESTMENT ON THE TABLE. IT'S IMPERATIVE TO CLOSE THE DEAL ON THE 18TH OF OCTOBER. IF THERE IS NO OTHER DIRECTION, WE CAN WORK WITH HOME AGAIN ON THIS DATE.

WE WILL SEND A LETTER TO TURN STONE AS WELL AS HOME AGAIN TO NOTIFY THEM AND RECONFIRM THE DATE OF CLOSING AND RELOCATION.

IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE GOING TO ADHERE TO THE BOARD'S DIRECTION AND HELP THEM FIND A SITE FOR RELOCATION AND BACK UP WITH THEIR SERVICE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

THAT'S MY UPDATE. IF THERE'S FURTHER DIRECTION, LET US KNOW. JUST, I HAD SPOKEN WITH MR. DAVIS BUT HAD A MEETING TO CHAIR.

THIS IS BEEN COMMITTED TO THEIR BOARD AS WELL.

>> YES, I ACTUALLY JUST SPOKE WITH HIM AROUND 1 O'CLOCK BEFORE HE LEFT SO HE'S AWARE. WHAT IS GOING TO BE UPDATED TO THE BOARD. AND THE LAST THING FOR YOU.

YOU ASKED WE LOOK INTO SCHEDULING GROWTH LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP. FOR THE COMMUNITY EXPECTING IT.

WE HAD NOT DONE A PUBLIC RELEASE.

WE HAVE STARTED TO TELL PEOPLE IT WILL BE COMING IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. MR. COTTON HAS LEFT AS WELL YOU HAVE A NEW COUNTY ATTORNEY COMING ON.

WE ARE WORKING WITH DDR.

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WE DON'T HAVE A DATE CERTAIN FOR TODAY AS TO WHEN THAT WILL BE.

WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WILL BE SOON.

AS MR. ROBERSON STEPS INTO THE ACTING POSITION.

WE'RE STILL MOVING FORWARD AND TRYING TO GET THE PIECES TOGETHER. IT JUST WON'T BE IN THE NEXT

WEEK OR TWO. >> THANK YOU MR. CONRAD.

WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT IT. DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE FOR HIRING A NEW GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR?

>> WE DON'T AT THIS TIME. IT TAKES TIME TO POST THE POSITION AND THERE'S A RECRUITMENT PROCESS AND ON BOARDING. WHEN YOU TALK EXECUTIVE LEVEL POSITIONS, THEY HAVE TO GIVE THEIR NOTICES TO THEIR EMPLOYERS AS WELL. PROBABLY SEVERAL MONTHS.

I'M CONFIDENT AS WE GO THROUGH THAT.

MR. ROBERSON AND HIS TEAM WILL FILL IN.

WE WON'T LET THAT BE AN IMPEDAMENT TO THE WORKSHOP.

>> THERE'S CONSENSUS TO GET THIS DONE.

>> YES, SIR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU. MR. MCCORMACK.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE COUNTY FROM TIME TO TIME UTILIZES A SPECIAL MASTER FOR CERTAIN HEARINGS, THERE IS AN ANIMAL CONTROL DANGEROUS DOG APPEAL MATTER PENDING WHICH THE COUNTY NEEDS A SPECIAL MASTER FOR.

WE HAD ONE SERVING THROUGH, THE COUNTY HAD GOTTEN THROUGH AN RFP SYSTEM THAT HEARING, THAT SPECIAL MASTER IS UNABLE TO SERVE. I ASK THE BOARD TO APPROVE AS A SPECIAL MASTER/HEARING OFFICER, JAMES BEDSOL FOR PURPOSE OF THIS APPEAL. HE HAS SERVED AS A HEARING OFFICER PREVIOUSLY. I ASK THE BOARD TO APPROVE THAT.

IF THE BOARD WOULD DO THAT, THE COUNTY WILL ISSUE A NEW RFP TO TRY TO GAIN A MORE PERMANENT HEARING OFFICER FROM THAT.

SO THERE'S MY REQUEST TO THE BOARD.

IF THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE JAMES BEDSOL AS A SPECIAL MASTER FOR THE UPCOMING ANIMAL CONTROL HEARING.

>> SO MOVED. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION BY

COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

PUBLIC COMMENT? >> LET'S OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PROPOSAL ON THIS MOTION? SEEING NONE.

>> OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED.

LET'S VOTE. PASSES 5-0.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE NEXT THING IS REPORT MORE THAN A REQUEST. JUST AN UPDATE ON THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AGREEMENT. STATUS WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH GIVEN THE BOARD'S CONCERNS ABOUT JUST WOULD HAVE HAD GOING FORWARD WITH A ONE-YEAR AGREEMENT.

IT HAD BEEN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA LAST TIME.

PULLED OFF AND MODIFIED TO AN INTENDED SIX MONTH AGREEMENT.

THROUGH INITIAL CONVERSATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH COUNSEL, THEY'RE HICCUPPING ON THE SIX MONTH THING.

THEY ARE APPRECIATIVE OF THE BOARD'S CONCERNS.

THEY ARE PREPARING THEIR SPACE AND NEEDS ANALYSIS AND PROJECTED TO HAVE THAT TO US BY THIS FRIDAY OCTOBER 8TH.

AFTER CONSULTATION WITH ADMIN AND HHS, AND REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTY, THE INTENTION IS TO BRING BACK A REVISED AGREEMENT DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AGREEMENT WITH AN AGREEMENT PERTAINING TO THE CORE SERVICES BUT ALSO A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE SIX MONTH TRIGGER TO REFLECT THE BOARD'S CONCERN ABOUT GOING A FULL YEAR WITH THE STATUS QUO.

SO THAT'S THE INTENT. THE INTENT IS TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD ON YOUR NOVEMBER 2ND MEETING.

UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. THAT'S THE REPORT.

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IS THAT ALL? >> ALLOW ME FOR ONE SECOND.

I MET WITH NICOLE CROSBY OF THE SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND DISCUSSED AT LENGTH THE POSSIBILITY OR NEED FOR A BALLOON ORDINANCE. ONE SIMILAR TO THE ST.

AUGUSTINE'S RECENT ADOPTION. I SUGGESTED TO HER SHE MAY WANT TO COME AND SPEAK TO THE BOARD TODAY UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.

BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY TOOK UP PUBLIC COMMENT A LITTLE OUT OF

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NICOLE WALKED IN ABOUT 15 MINUTES AGO.

I'M COMPELLED TO SUGGEST OR REQUEST WE HEAR FROM NICOLE RATHER THAN COMING BACK IN TWO WEEKS AND DO THE SAME MINUTES.

IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE JUST ADD

THREE MINUTES FOR HER. >> I UNDERSTAND.

THIS IS A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER. I UNDERSTAND MR. VICE CHAIR.

MS. CROSBY. CAN YOU COME FORWARD.

>> JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR MEETING WITH ME.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING YOU AND TAKING THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THIS PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE LITTER ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE BALLOONS.

BALLOONS ARE THE ONLY FORM THE LEGAL LITTER.

IT'S REALLY INCREDIBLE. THE ONLY REASON THEY'RE LEGAL IS BECAUSE THEY START OUT ON LIFE GOING UP AND IT SEEMS LIKE A BEAUTIFUL SPECTACLE TO SEE BALLOONS GOING UP.

IT REMINDS MANY OF PEOPLE OF HEAVEN WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE PART OF MANY VIGILS. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN THEY COME BACK DOWN, THEY CREATE A HELL ON EARTH FOR ANIMALS.

THERE'S NOT A SINGLE ANIMAL NOT POTENTIALLY IMPACTED BY BALLOONS. MARINE, TERRESTRIAL ANIMALS LIVE STOCK. OUR PETS AND WE REACHED A POINT WHERE WE CAN'T GET ALL THESE THINGS OUT OF OUR WATER WAYS AND OFF OF OUR LAND. WE NEED TO STOP RELEASING THEM.

AND I REALIZE THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S 100% EASILY ENFORCEABLE.

I REALIZE THAT. I MEAN WE SEE THAT EVERY DAY ON THE BEACH. I PICK UP LITTER EVERY DAY.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO THROW IN THE TOWEL AND SAY LET'S GET RID OF LITTER ORDINANCE. YOU HAVE TO TRY.

YOU HAVE TO TRY. IF YOU CAN REDUCE THE NUMBER OF BALLOONS GOING UP. THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE

>> IT'S ENFORCEABLE BECAUSE BALLOON RELEASES ARE POSSIBLE, YOU DON'T DO IT LIKE FLICKING A CIGARETTE ON THE BEACH.

IF THERE'S AN ORDINANCE, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY DURING THE ORGANIZATION OF THE RELEASE AND IT'S ALWAYS A VERY PLANNED ORGANIZED THING. FOR MAY BE ONE PERSON IN THE GROUP TO SAY, HEY, DID YOU SEE THAT SIGN? DID YOU SEE WHAT WAS ON TV THE OTHER NIGHT? THEY'RE ILLEGAL NOW. THERE'S A FINE.

MAYBE WE SHOULD SOME UP WITH ANOTHER WAY TO CELEBRATE OR MEMORIALIZE SOMEBODY. WORD OF MOUTH WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS DETERRENT TO THIS BEHAVIOR.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE NEED TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC AND TO SOCIETY ABOUT WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE REGARDLESS OF HOW ENFORCEABLE IT IS. I THINK THIS IS QUITE ENFORCEABLE. IF WE DON'T SAY THERE'S A LAW AGAINST IT, WE'RE SANCTIONING IT.

THERE WAS A VERY POWERFUL IMPORTANT EVENT IN THE LIVES OF CHILDREN IN THIS COUNTY WHICH WAS TRISTAN BAILEY'S MEMORIAL SERVICE. WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL IN EVERY WAY.

UNDER HORRIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT THERE WAS A BALLOON RELEASE AND IT WASN'T THE GIRL'S FAULT WHO RELEASED THE BALLOONS.

THERE NEEDED TO BE AUTHORITY FIGURES ABLE TO SAY TO THEM, DON'T DO THAT. HOLD THE BALLOON.

LET'S DO SOMETHING ELSE TO MEMORIALIZE HER.

IT HURTS ANIMALS AND OUR'T TELL LONG AS UNTIL WE HAVE A LAW ON THE BOOKS. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

THESE PETITIONS, WE HAVE ABOUT 1200 I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY THAT PEOPLE SIGNED ASKING TO EXPAND THE

LITTER ORDINANCE. >> YEAH, WE WILL TAKE THOSE AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST WE ASK LEGAL STAFF TO LOOK AT THIS ISSUE AND WHETHER, HOW TO GO FORWARD.

I FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A REPORT FROM THE LEGAL STAFF AS TO WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO AMEND OUR LITTER ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE BALLOONS. SURE.

UNDERSTOOD. >> ALSO MR. CHAIRMAN.

THERE IS A STATE STATUE AGAINST BALLOON RELEASE IN PUBLIC

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IF IT'S BEEN ENFORCED AT ALL. IS THERE CONSENSUS?

>> PATRICK. WHY DON'T WE GET A WHITE PAPER OR SOME KIND OF FURTHER DISCUSSION.

THAT WAS ONE OF QUESTIONS I HAD. I WAS GOING TO READ THE STATE STATUTE AND UNDERSTAND, IS IT BEING ENFORCED? IT'S IMPORTANT IF THERE'S A CHANGE THERE'S ENFORCED.

THEY CAN BE A DETERRENT BUT NOT AS EFFECTIVE.

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