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>> GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THIS MORNING THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY COMMISSION.
>> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME HAVE THE INVOCATION PASTOR MATT FROM
COLONIAL CHURCH. >> GOOD MORNING. AS ALWAYS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING A WAY FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME TO COME AND PRAY BEFORE THE MEETING. ON SUCH AN IMPORTANT DAY. PSALM 21 SAYS LORD IN YOUR STRENGTH, THE KING REJOICES. IN YOUR SALVATION, HOW GREATLY HE EXALTS.
HE ASKED LIFE OF YOU AND YOU GAVE IT TO HIM. LENGTH OF DAYS FOR EVER AND EVER. FOR YOU MAKE A MOST BLESSED FOREVER.
MAKING GLAD WITH THE JOY OF YOUR PRESENCE. LET'S PRAY.
GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR A SUCCESSFUL DAY TODAY. LORD WE PRAY YOU WOULD BESTOW WISDOM UPON OUR LEADERS, THANK YOU THAT THAT IS YOUR PURPOSE AND YOUR INTENTION TODAY.
WE PRAY EVERY SINGLE ITEM, EVERY SINGLE AGENDA ITEM WE PRAY THAT TODAY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. IN JESUS NAME. AMEN.
>> THANK YOU. I WILL CALL OUR CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER.
LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS AND ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
BEFORE COMING TO THIS WONDERFUL COUNTY, I WAS IN THE US ARMY. 1971 AND MOVED HERE IN 2002.
I WAS LONG WITH THE US ARMY. BUT NOW, PLEASE JOIN ME IN HONORING THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND
JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
PLEASE BE SEATED. NOW WE WILL HEAR OUR PROCLAMATION AND RECOGNIZE
[Proclamation recognizing September 17-23, 2021, as Constitution Week.]
SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH 23RD IS CONSTITUTION WEEK. >> GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING TO ALL! I LIKE THIS-- I WOULD LIKE TO A ANY DAUGHTERS OF THE REVOLUTION TO COME FORWARD THIS MORNING. SEPTEMBER 17 1787 THE FOUNDING FATHERS ASSIGNED THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. GIVING BIRTH TO A GOVERNMENT NEVER SEEN BEFORE, ONE FOUNDED ON THE PRINCIPLES OF THE 1ST 3 WORDS, WE THE THE FUTURE IN THE STATES ABILITY OF THE COUNTRY AND UPON OUR LEADERS PRESERVING, PROTECTING AND DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION THAT BINDS US TOGETHER. SINCE THAT DAY, EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL AND SERVICEMEMBER IN OUR NATION, TAKES THE SAME OATH TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION.
THOUGH IT HAS BEEN TO AND THROUGHOUT HISTORY, UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION IS THE OLDEST CONSTITUTION STILL IN USE TODAY. EACH YEAR WE THE PEOPLE GET TO COME TOGETHER AND CELEBRATE THIS DOCUMENT ON SEPTEMBER 17. SADLY, TODAY OUR LEADERS ARE FALTERING ON THEIR OATH BY DISTRUST AND THE PRINCIPLES OF THE CONSTITUTION THAT OUR NATION WAS BUILT UPON. WE THE PEOPLE, MUST PASS ALONG THE VALUES OF IT.
AND LOVE THE NATION AND THE LOVE OF THIS NATION TO OUR CHILDREN.
AS SAMUEL ADAMS SAID QUOTE THE LIBERTIES OF OUR COUNTRY, THE FREEDOM OF OUR CIVIL CONSTITUTION ARE WORTH DEFENDING AGAINST ALL HAZARDS. IT IS OUR DUTY TO DEFEND THEM AGAINST ALL ATTACKS. THIS WEEK IN HONOR OF CONSTITUTION DAY, WHO SHALL TAKE TIME TO SHARE WITH EACH OTHER, THE PRINCIPLES 1ST IN THAT DOCUMENT 230 YEARS AGO, THAT AFFORD US THE PRECIOUS LIBERTIES AND FREEDOMS THAT WE ENJOY, CHERISH AND MUST NEVER TAKE FOR GRANTED. MS. LUNDQUIST, PLEASE READ THE PROCLAMATION.
>> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA.
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WHEREAS IN ORDER TO SECURE THE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY TO THEMSELVES AND THEIR POSTERITY, OUR FOUNDING FATHERS ORDAINED AND ESTABLISHED A CONSTITUTION FOR OUR NEW NATION.SIGNING IT ON SEPTEMBER 17, 1787. AND WHEREAS IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT ALL AMERICANS UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE PROVISIONS AND PROVISIONS IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. IN ORDER TO BETTER SUPPORT, PRESERVE AND DEFEND IT. AND WHEREAS, EACH YEAR ON THE ANNIVERSARY IN THE ENACTING OF THE CONSTITUTION, WILL HONOR THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION AS WELL AS THE GLORIOUS NATION BUILT UPON THE FOUNDATION THEY PROVIDED. AND WHEREAS, THIS ANNUAL OBSERVANCE ALSO SERVES AS A TIME FOR ALL CITIZENS TO HOLD DEAR AND CELEBRATE THE RIGHTS, PRIVILEGES AND RESPONSIBILITIES THIS DOCUMENT AFFORDS US AS AMERICANS.
AND WHEREAS WITHOUT THE CONSTITUTION, THE SUPREME LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES, WE THE PEOPLE, WOULD NOT BE GUARANTEED OUR MANY FREEDOMS WHERE THE BENEFITS OF A GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE. AND WHEREAS THIS SEPTEMBER, THE REGENTS COUNCIL NORTHEAST FLORIDA, GEORGIA OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, WILL JOIN IN THE NATIONAL CELEBRATION OF THE 234TH ANNIVERSARY OF OUR UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. THEREFORE, BE PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY THAT SEPTEMBER 17 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 23, 2021 BE DESIGNATED AS CONSTITUTION WEEK. ASKING ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN AND COMMEMORATE THE SIGNING OF THIS PIVOTAL AMERICAN DOCUMENT. AS WELL AS CELEBRATING MANY RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES IT CONFERS UPON THE CITIZENS OF OUR GREAT COUNTRY.
PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, FLORIDA THIS 21ST DAY OF SEPTEMBER 2021, BRANDON J PATTY CLERK OF COURTS, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, FLORIDA SIGNED JEREMIAH BLOCKER.
CHAIRMAN. >> IS AN HONOR TO HAVE HE HAD APPEARED ON BEHALF OF OUR ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THIS PROCLAMATION, ASK IF YOU HAVE
ANY WORDS TO SAY. >> I DO. I GREET EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND I THINK YOU FOR THIS PROCLAMATION. THIS YEAR, MORE THAN EVER, WE MUST RECOGNIZE THE GIFT OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
AND I'M VERY PROUD THAT I'M REPRESENTING THE MARIAH JEFFERSON CHAPTER OF THE DAUGHTERS OF AMERICAN REVOLUTION. AND MY LITTLE PINUP EAR SIGNIFIES I AM A DESCENDENT OF 1 OF THE SIGNERS OF THE CONSTITUTION.
IT IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. THANK YOU ALL.
[APPLAUSE] >>. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER
[Proclamation recognizing September 15 - October 15, 2021 as Hispanic Heritage Month.]
SMITH. NOW WE WILL RECOGNIZE A PROCLAMATION FOR RECOGNIZING SEPTEMBER 15 THROUGH OCTOBER 15 AS HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.COMMISSIONER, PLEASE LEAD US IN THE HONORS. >> THANK YOU.
AT THIS TIME OF THE 2 INVITE MRS. MONICA HERNANDEZ FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO JOIN UP FRONT. THIS PROCLAMATION IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART IT IS PERSONAL. MY MOTHER WAS AN IMMIGRANT FROM CUBA.
OBVIOUSLY, SHE WAS FLEEING TIERNEY AND LIKE SO MANY OTHERS WHO SAW AMERICA AS A BEACON OF HOPE AND FREEDOM. GIVEN THIS COUNTIES LONG HISTORICAL TIES AND THE MANY CONTRIBUTIONS THAT ARE HISPANIC, THAT THOSE OF HISPANIC HERITAGE HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE COUNTY SEEMS APPROPRIATE TO MAKE SEPTEMBER 15 THROUGH OCTOBER 15 HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH.T THIS TIME I LIKE TO ASK MRS. LUNDQUIST TO READ THIS PROCLAMATION INTO
RECORD. >> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS 1968 PRESIDENT LYNDON JOHNSON STARTED HISPANIC HERITAGE WEEK. WHICH WAS LATER EXPANDED TO COVER A 30 DAY PERIOD UNDER PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN IN 1988. WHEREAS SEPTEMBER 15 IS ANNIVERSARY OF INDEPENDENCE FOR LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES, COSTA RICA, EL SALVADOR, RAGAMALA, HONDURAS, NICARAGUA. IN ADDITION, MEXICO AND CHILE CELEBRATE INDEPENDENCE DAY SEPTEMBER 16 AND 18TH RESPECTIVELY. ALSO, COLUMBUS DAY, OCTOBER 12 FALLS WITHIN THE 30 DAY PERIOD. ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS DEEP HISTORICAL TIES TO HISPANIC CULTURE, MOST NOTABLY WITH THE ARRIVAL OF SPANIARDS AND LATER, CUBANS.
WHEREAS THE 2020 US CENSUS REVEALED HISPANICS AND LATINOS HAVE GONE TO ACCOUNT FOR ALMOST
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8 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. WHEREAS THIS ANNUAL OBSERVANCE ALSO SERVES AS A TIME FOR ALL CITIZENS TO HONOR, COMMEMORATE AND CELEBRATE THE CULTURAL AND ECONOMIC CONTRIBUTION OF HISPANIC AMERICANS TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE NATION.THEREFORE BE PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, SEPTEMBER 15 THROUGH OCTOBER 15, 2021, BE DESIGNATED AS HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH.
PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA THIS 21ST DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2021. BRANDON J PATTY CLERK OF COURTS COME BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, SIGNED JEREMIAH BLOCKER, CHAIRMAN.
>> THANK YOU.RS. HERNANDEZ IS MY OWN ON BEHALF OF THE ST. JOHN'S BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO PRESENT YOU WITH THIS PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING THIS AS HISPANIC
HERITAGE MONTH. >> IS A GREAT HONOR FOR ME TO REPRESENT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE PART OF DIRECTORS. WE ADVOCATE, AND I AS A RESIDENT OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, IT IS BEYOND AMAZING TO SEE THIS RECOGNITION PUT IN PLACE. AS AN ORGANIZATION, NOT ONLY ADVOCATE FOR HISPANIC BUSINESS OWNERS BUT ALSO STUDENTS. ON ANNUAL BASIS WE AWARD OVER $20,000 IN SCHOLARSHIPS. FOR THEM TO ACHIEVE THEIR DREAM OF GOING TO COLLEGE.
WE CONTINUE, BOARD MEMBERS AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE TO SUPPORT YOU, THANK YOU ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY, I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT. [INAUDIBLE]
[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND SMITH.
[Acceptance of Proclamations]
[Public Safety Update]
IS YOUR MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATIONS? ALL IN FAVOR? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NOW WE WILL MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE.ROGER COLE. GOOD MORNING. >> WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DIRECTOR HERE REPRESENTING SHERIFF HARDWICK HE'S IN THE STATE CAPITOL THIS MORNING.
I AM PLEASED TO REALLY SAY THERE IS NO MAJOR PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS AT THIS TIME.
WE ARE BACK SEVERAL WEEKS INTO SCHOOL NOW. I WOULD SAY THAT TRADITIONALLY, OUR TRAFFIC STARTS OFF HORRIFIC. IN THE 1ST COUPLE OF WEEKS OF SCHOOL AND I THINK THAT WE'VE SETTLED INTO A MORE NORMAL MANAGEABLE PATTERN OF TRAFFIC.
IF I WAS TO MENTION ANYTHING IN TERMS OF PATTERNS, WE STILL BELIEVE IT OR NOT, HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO LEAVE THEIR VEHICLES UNLOCKED. AND FOLKS FROM OTHER COUNTIES TEND TO STEAL CARS, TO COME DOWN HERE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, AND GO TO UNLOCKED CARS WHERE THE KEYS ARE STILL IN THE CAR AND STILL PEOPLES SENSITIVE ITEMS AND THE CARS AND LEAVE THE COUNTIES. PLEASE I ASK ANYONE LISTENING TO LOCKYER CARS.
IF IT IS LOCKED THEY WILL MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ONE. OTHER THAN THAT, WE ARE 9 MONTHS INTO THE SHERIFFS TENURE AND I WOULD SAY OUR TRANSITION IS COMPLETE.
WE ARE READY TO ASSUME OUR NEW BUDGET AND MOVE FORWARD AND WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE. THAT IS ALL I HAVE A LIST YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS
FOR US AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. >> THANK YOU, THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
>> THANK YOU ALL. >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. CHIEF, GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR YOU THIS MORNING.
I WON'T TAKE MUCH TIME. LOOKING AT THE STATS FROM AUGUST WE HAD 7860 FIRE EVENTS OF THOSE 2660 WERE EMERGENCY MEDICAL CALLS ARE REQUIRED 1552 TO BE TRANSPORTED AND SOME BY HELICOPTER. WE HAD RESIDENTIAL OR STRUCTURE FIRES IN AUGUST, 235 VEHICLE ACCIDENTS AND 13 OF THOSE INCLUDED SOME FORM OF EXTRICATION.
A BUSY MONTH FOR US. PRETTY MUCH ABOUT EQUAL TO LAST YEAR, WAS NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE.
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THE THING I LIKE TO ANNOUNCE TO THE BOARD THIS MORNING IS, WE WERE NOTIFIED A COUPLE OF FRIDAYS AGO THAT THERE WERE STAFFING FOR ADEQUATE FIRE EMERGENCY RESPONSE, SAFER GRANTS WE WOULD CALL IT FOR 4,461,000 WHICH ALLOW US TO HIRE MORE FIREFIGHTERS.THIS WILL BE ON THE AGENDA NEXT MEETING FOR YOUR APPROVAL TO ACCEPT THE GRANT.
THEN ONE LAST THING. THE GULF COAST EXPERIENCED A PRETTY MASSIVE HURRICANE RECENTLY AND AS PART OF THE RESPONSE, THE STATE OF FLORIDA ACTIVATED THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA HAZARDS INSTANT MANAGEMENT TEAM. WE HAD 2 MEMBERS OF OUR STAFF THAT RESPONDED AS PART OF THAT TEAM. THEY HAD THE OPERATIONS CHIEF AND DEPUTY OPERATIONS CHIEF. I'LL ASK THEM TO COME UP AND TELL YOU A LITTLE ABOUT THE
EXPERIENCE WAS QUITE HORRIFIC. >> THANK YOU.GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, SIR.
>> ASSISTANT CHIEF FIRE RESCUE. >> DUSTY WILSON, DEPUTY CHIEF FIRE IN SPECIAL OPERATIONS.
>> LB BRIEF I KNOW THERE'S A BIG DAY TODAY. IT IS HARD TO PUT THIS INTO WORDS. FRIDAY, AUGUST 27, NICOLE WENT OUT FOR THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA INCIDENT MANAGEMENT TEAM TO STAND UP FOR POTENTIAL DEPLOYMENT FOR LOUISIANA TO SUPPORT MITIGATION EFFORTS FOR HURRICANE IDA. UNDERSTANDING THE POTENTIAL DEVASTATION, MYSELF AND DEPUTY CHIEF DUSTY WILSON DEPLOYED WITH THE TEAM ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 31. AS THE OPERATIONS SECTION CHIEF AND DEPUTY OPERATIONS SECTION CHIEF. WE ARRIVED IN BATON ROUGE LATE IN THE AFTERNOON OF WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 1. WHERE WE CHECKED IN, MADE OUR WAY TO THE EEOC AND RECEIVED UR ASSIGNMENT.
AS OPERATIONS CHIEF DEPUTY OPERATIONS CHIEF, THIS IS A PRETTY DAUNTING TASK WE WERE MANAGING THE ESF 4 BY RESPONSE FOR THE AREA WHICH EQUATED TO OVER 10,000 SQUARE MILES.
THE TEAM WAS RELOCATED IN THE BASE CAMP OF NICHOLS UNIVERSITY.
IN A PLACE CALLED THIBODEAU, LOUISIANA. IT TOOK ME FOREVER TO PRONOUNCE THAT! THAT WAS IN THE HEART OF THE DESTRUCTION.
THE DEVASTATION WAS MASSIVE AND WIDESPREAD. LITERALLY, THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS STILL HAVE NO POWER. NO ROOF, NO WATER, NO ASSISTANCE.
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING ADEQUATE FIRE AND EMS PROTECTION IN THE IMPACTED AREA. UTILIZING RESOURCES FROM ARKANSAS, FLORIDA, GEORGIA, ILLINOIS, KANSAS, LOUISIANA, MASSACHUSETTS, MISSISSIPPI, NORTH DAKOTA, OHIO AND TEXAS.
WE UTILIZED APPROXIMATELY 130 PIECES OF FIRE SUPPRESSION APPARATUS.
AND 430 PERSONNEL WERE ASSIGNED TO THE RESPONSE. IN ORDER TO GRASP THE ENORMITY OF SITUATION WE DIVIDED INTO 5 BRANCHES AND 7 DIVISIONS. AS THIS EVOLVED, AND ASSISTANCE WAS REQUESTED WE HAD TARTS, WATER AND GRATED CUT AND TOSS TEAMS TO HELP REMOVE DEBRIS FROM HOMES. GOT THAT THERE WERE STILL TREES ON HOUSES AND THE WHOLE 9 YARDS WE'VE SEEN IT BEFORE. 14 DAYS WE SLEPT IN TENTS. UTILIZED OUTHOUSES, SHOUTING TRAILERS AND STOOD IN LINE FOR CHOW. HOWEVER, THIS IS THE PINNACLE OF OUR CAREER.
WE HAVE TRAINED AND LISTEN FOR THIS AND WE MUST ENJOY DOING THIS.
MEETING PEOPLE IN ASSISTING PEOPLE IN TIMES OF THEIR GREATEST NEED.
I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR SINCERE APPRECIATION TO THE FIRE CHIEF IN THE COUNTY, THE INITIATION AND BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO ALLOW US TO PROUDLY REPRESENT ST. JOHNS COUNTY DURING THIS CATASTROPHIC EVENT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU. [APPLAUSE]
>> THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT BRIEF AND YOUR SERVICE, THANK YOU.
>> CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, A QUICK UPDATE ON COVID. LAST WEEK'S NUMBERS ARE TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. FOR THE POSITIVE CASES AND WE'VE ONLY HAD 1200 ABOUT 6 WEEKS AGO OVER 1700 PER WEEK SO IT'S TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, ALSO 73 PERCENT IN THE COUNTY AND VACCINATED, TESTING SITE LAST WEEK, WE ADMINISTERED JUST OVER 3600 TESTS WHICH BRINGS THE TOTAL TO ABOUT JUST SHY OF 21,000 TEST FOR THE COUNTY SINCE WE STARTED THIS. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER
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QUESTIONS PER. >> WHAT WAS A VACCINE RIGHT? >> 73 PERCENT.
>> THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
[Clerk of Court’s Report]
THANK YOU. OKAY SO NOW WE MOVE INTO THE CLERK OF COURTS REPORT.HONORABLE BRANDON PATTY SIR, WILL COMPARE. >> CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE OUR CLERK REPORTS. AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BUILD TO TALK THROUGH SOME ACTIVITIES HERE IN THE COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW WHAT OUR OFFICE, WHILE WE ARE IN AN INDEPENDENT PARTNER WE ARE FUNDED BY YOU ALL FOR MANY CRITICAL OPERATIONS, WE WILL MAKE SURE YOU SEE THE RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE UP TO. TODAY FOR THE 1ST REPORT, WE'VE INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA PACKET, ROLLING OUT OUR GUIDE TAXPAYER DOLLARS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THE INAUGURAL REPORT. OFFICIAL NAME IS THE POPULAR ANNUAL FINANCE REPORT WHICH IS DERIVED FROM THE COPPERHEADS OF ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT. WHICH IS THE YEARLY AUDIT CONDUCTED EACH YEAR HERE IN ST. JOHNS, WE TAKEN A 400 PAGE REPORT AND PUT IT DOWN TO 18 PAGES AND WE HOPE IT WILL HELP INFORM RESIDENTS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY ABOUT THE GREAT WORK THAT WE ALL COLLECTIVELY DUE ON THEIR BEHALF AND ASSURE THAT THEY ARE INFORMED AND ENGAGED WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH US WILL BE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE, YOU ALSO HAVE IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND WELCOME COUNTY TO SEND IT OUT AS WELL AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ANY COMMENTS, FEEDBACK, AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO APPROVING THE REPORT NEXT YEAR.
THAT IS OUR REPORT. ANY QUESTIONS? >> MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, IF YOU'VE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THIS YET, PLEASE GOING TO LOOK IS FULL OF GREAT INFORMATION ABOUT HOW LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE WORKING IN THE BUDGET PROCESS WORKS, PLEASE TAKE AN
[Consent Agenda]
OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS AND THANK YOU TO YOUR OFFICE FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >> ALL RIGHT SIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY WE APPRECIATE IT. NOW WE MOVE INTO DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
WE START WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD LIKE TO
PULL ITEM NUMBER 32. ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> NUMBER 32.
ANY ADDITIONAL ONES? >> NO, SIR. >> OKAY, COMMISSIONER WALDROM.
>> NON-, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DEAN.
>> NO. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> NO.
>> I HAVE NONE AS WELL. WHEN WILL WE OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AGENDA AS
AMENDED. >> AS AMENDED. PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE OTHER ITEMS LATER TODAY WILL BE DONE INDIVIDUALLY IN A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS AMENDED REMOVING ITEM 32. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NONE.
>> OKAY. ANYTHING FROM STAFF, COUNTY ATTORNEY?
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> SO MOVED AS AMENDED REMOVING
[Regular Agenda]
ITEM 32. >> 2ND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND 2ND BY COMMISSIONER WALDROM. ALL IN FAVOR? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ADDITIONS AND DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
COMMISSIONER SMITH, I WOULD START WITH YOU, SIR. >> I HAVE NONE.
>> THANK YOU. MR. VICE CHAIR? >> NONE.
>> COMMISSIONER WALDROM. >> NONE. >> MR. WHITEHURST?
>> NONE. >> LET'S MOVE TO ADMINISTRATION.
>> NONE. >> COUNTY ATTORNEY. >> IS MY UNDERSTANDING THERE MAY BE A REQUEST TO -- ITEM NEWBORN I WOULD SAY LIVED ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, BRING IT UP AND WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP THE BOARD CAN EITHER TALK ABOUT REMAND WERE NOT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ITEM. SO JUST REMAIN ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS TIME.
>> LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1. THERE'S
BEEN A REQUEST TO PULL THAT FROM THE AGENDA? >> YES.
>> THANK YOU. I THINK WE'LL JUST WAIT FOR THE AGENDA ITEM TO COME UP AND GO FROM THERE. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE FROM HERE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? >> SO MOVED.
>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> MR. CHAIR?
>> YES. >> I'M SORRY WASN'T PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION.
ITEM 32 THAT WAS PULLED OFF, WILL THAT BE ADDED ON TO THE REGULAR OR JUST FOR THE NEXT
MEETING? >> YES. >> YES, SO THAT WAS MY
INTENTION. >> WHAT WAS YOUR INTENTION, TO EDITOR FUTURE MEETING?
>> ADD ON 32 TO THE REGULAR AGENDA TODAY. FOR DISCUSSION.
>> WILL ADD ITEM 32 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WILL MAKE IT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
17. >> THANK YOU, MCCORMACK. FOR CLARIFYING.
>> IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED? >> SO MOVED.
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>> IS THERE A 2ND? >> I WILL 2ND PEER. >> MOTION BY MR. WALDROM TO
[1. Public Hearing * PUD 2020-04 Porter Property.]
APPROVE AGENDA AS AMENDED AND 2ND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. ALL IN FAVOR? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. LET'S MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, THIS IS A QUASIJUDICIAL MATTER, WE'LL START WITH OUR DISCLOSURES, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST WILLSTART WITH YOU. >> THANK YOU. MONDAY, AUGUST 16, 2021 AT APPROXIMATELY 3:30 PM WE MET WITH -- A RESIDENT OF THE COMMUNITY IN THE OFFICE.
IN REGARDS TO HER CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT. ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 26, APPROXIMATELY 10:00 AM I HAD A SITE VISIT AT APRDID A TOUR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND SHE GAVE ME -THE TOUR TO ILLUSTRATE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE PROJECT.
APPROXIMATELY Y 1:00 P.M. ALSO ANOTHER RESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, REGARDS TO HIS CONCERNS OF TRAFFIC AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE PROJECT. LAST THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 16 AT APPROXIMATELY NOON, I MET WITH LINDSAY -- RITTER AND DOUG BURNETT AND STAFF TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT AND SOME OF THE CONCESSIONS THAT THEY FEEL THEY HAVE MADE TO THE BORS AND
DETAILS OF THE PROJECT. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU.
MISSIONER WALTERS. >> ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 19 AT 11:00, I MET WITH A CONCERNED CITIZEN OF THE PROJECT. WE DISCUSSED TRAFFIC, SAFETY, FLOODING, HER NEIGHBORHOOD AND A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE AGAINST IT. THURSDAY, AUGUST 26.2 PM, I MET WITH TH JOHN -- WE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND DRAINAGE AND SEPTEMBER 16 F 2021 12:30 PM I MET WITH LINDSAY, LEVI AND DOUG BURNETT TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT. THE MEETING WAS REAL SHORT BECAUSE I SAID INTENTIONS ABOUT HAVING PZA. ALSO SPOKE WITH CHUCK, JOHNNY MOORE, JOHNNY MOORE'S SISTER, I FORGOT HER NAME SORRY ABOUT THAT. AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS.
WE SPOKE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, FLOODING YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY SPOKE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC GOING NORTH OUT OF THE PROJECT AND OTHER, A FEW OTHER SAFETY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY CANNOT WITHSTAND THE TRAFFIC BEING PUSHED INTO IT. I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, AND -- >> DOES APRIL 15 2:00 I MET WITH.
LISTENING TO HER ER CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROJECT. THURSDAY, EPTEMBER 2 1:30 PM I MET WITH DOUG BURNETT AND LEVI RITTER TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT. I ALSO OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST PROBABLY, 3 OR 4 MONTHS, I HAVE TAKEN AT LEAST 3 TRIPS BECAUSE IT IS NOT FAR FROM HERE AS EVERYONE KNOWS, , TO BASICALLY VISIT THE SITE, THE AREA, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET A FEEL FOR THE AREA. I RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS OBJECTING TO THE PROJECT FOR THE REASONS THAT COMMISSIONER WALDRON STATED PRIMARILY THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, DRAINAGE
ISSUES AND DENSITY OF THE PROJECT. >> THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ON AUGUST 19, AT 1030 AMA MET WITH CARLA AS WELL. WE DISCUSSED THE PROPERTY OUTLAY, INGRESS AND EGRESS, PORTER ROAD TO AVENUE D TO 5TH STREET IN REGARDS TO THE CONCERN N OF TRAFFIC.
WE SO DISCUSSED THE ROAD IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND HOW WIDE IT IS, ALSO CONCERNED WITH TRAFFIC VOLUME THERE E AS WELL, DISCUSSED INGRESS AND EGRESS OFF OF THE SPEEDWAY, OF COURSE THE ENTRY INTO THE CURVE, ALSO DISCUSSED RIGHT-OF-WAY AT.
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OVERVIEW OF THE 4 COMMUNITY MEETINGS. I THINK THAT WILL COVER THAT ONE. THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 1:00 PM I MET WITH LINDSAY, LEVI, DOUG BURNETT, BRADLEY, IMMEDIATELY REQUESTED A REMAND BACK BUT WE DISCUSSED CONCERNS AND CHANGES THAT WOULD BE MADE TO THE AGENDA. WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THEIR CONVERSATIONS AND SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING TO FULFILL WITH REMANDBACK TO PZA, THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SMITH. THURSDAY, AUGUST 26, OR PROXIMALLY 1:30 PM I MET WITH MR. JOHN -- CONCERNED CITIZEN AND RESIDENT TO RAISE ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC.
TRAFFIC CONCERNS, FLOODING, SAFETY CONCERNS AS WELL AS ALTERNATE ACCESS TO THE PROJECT. ALSO THURSDAY, AUGUST 26, APPROXIMATELY 2:00 PIMA MET WITH MS. CARLA -- A CONCERNED CITIZEN NEIGHBOR TO THE PROJECT ALSO RAISED SIMILAR CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC. ACCESS, FLOODING AND ALSO WE DISCUSSED ALTERNATE ACCESS TO THE PROJECT AS WELL. THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, APPROXIMATELY 1130 PAM MET WITH MISS LINDSAY -- AND LEVI RITTER TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT, WE DISCUSSED THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND ALSO WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THEY HAD CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS THERE WAS INTEREST IN SENDING THIS BACK TO THE PZA FOR ISSUES WE ALSO DISCUSSED AT THEIR MEETING. THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST FOR A DELAY AT THE TIME WITH SEVERAL PZA MEMBERS. BEFORE WE GO FORWARD, IF EVERYONE HAS CELL PHONES MAKE SURE THEY ARE SILENCED. THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HEAR FROM EVERYONE AND IN A TIMELY MANNER. NO DISRUPTIONS PLEASE CHECK YOUR CELL PHONES AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE SILENCED. MS. LINDSAY HAGA PEER.
>> IF I MAY. MY RECOMMENDATION IS A PRELIMINARY MATTER, THE BOARD SHOULD HEAR FROM MS. LINDSAY HAGA JUST TO THE MATTER OF A REMAND TO THE PZA OR NOT, AND THEN JUST FOR EXAMPLE, 3 MINUTES. THEN I THINK, MS. CARLA, A GROUP REPRESENTATIVE, I THINK ALSO SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THE BOARD AS TO HER POSITION ON A REMAND OR NOT. AND AS A PULMONARY MATTER THE BOARD SHOULD DECIDE WHETHER TO REMAND OR NOT IF IT IS REMANDED OF COURSE IT GOES BACK TO THE PZA AND THE BOARD IS DONE WITH THE ITEM FOR TODAY, IF IT IS NOT REMANDED, THEN MS. LINDSAY HAGA COMES BACK AND DOES HER
>> IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE GROUP OF CITIZENS OF COME TOGETHER NAMING CORTO AS THEIR
SPOKESPERSON IS THAT CORRECT? >> PLEASE COME FORWARD AND COME TO THE PODIUM HERE.
>> WILL BE HERE, WE WILL MAKE SURE WE HAVE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.
LET'S GO IN AND ADDRESS THE BOARD AS FAR AS YOUR MANY BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. WE WILL DISCUSS THAT, AND WE WILL HEAR FROM MS. CORTO.
RESIDENTS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. MCCORMACK. SHE WILL BE ADDRESSING THAT
DIRECTLY IS THAT CORRECT? >> I BEEN DESIGNATED BY SOME O THE RESIDENTS , THEY ARE STILL QUITE A FEW THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER. ON THIS PARTICULAR THING, THE
REMAND. >> OKAY WILL GO THROUGH THIS IN A ORDERLY FASHION, WE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TAKING TIME FROM WORK TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. WILL BE ORGANIZED AND DELIBERATE AND GET THROUGH THIS. DOES EVERYONE UNDERSTAND?
>> YES, SIR. >> THUS BEGAN. >> LINDSAY HAGA, ENGLAND, THIMS & MILLER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. OUR REQUEST IS TO REMAND US BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE CALENDAR AND THE REASONS ARE THIS, DURING THE AUGUST 5 PZA MEETING THERE WERE SEVERAL ITEMS OR SUGGESTIONS SUGGESTED TO US AS APPLICANT. WE MODIFIED OUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP AND TEXT. WE ARE PREPARED TO PRESENT IT TODAY BUT THE COMMUNION STAFF DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO REVIEW THAT. GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY WILL BE ABLE TO FILE WITH YOUR STAFF THAT WILL GIVE THE TECHNICAL REVIEW AND THEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AS WELL, AS REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THE PLAN. THEY GENERALLY FALL IN THE CATEGORY RIGHT-OF-WAY ALONG THE
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ROAD PROVIDING OPEN SPACE, BUFFERS, EXTENDING FENCING AND REALIGNING SOME OF THE ALIGNMENT OF THE INTERSECTION ROAD WITH THE EASEMENT. THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND THE COMMUNITY AS WELL SHOULD HAVE TIME TO CONSIDER, AND REQUEST FOR REMAND I WILL ADD ONE POINT OF ORDER THAT OUR LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE DOUG BURNETT EXPERIENCED A FAMILY EMERGENCY. HE'S NOT WITH US AS WELL TODAY.WE STAND ON THE REMAND FOR THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE PLANNING DOCUMENT ITSELF.
>> OKAY, OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THE MATTER? NOW FROM YOU MS. CORTO.
>> IN REGARDS TO THE REQUEST TO REMAND THIS BACK TO PZA, WE HAVE THIS TO SAY.
LET'S HEAR WHAT THE REVISIONS ARE BECAUSE IF THE REVISED PLANS DON'T INCLUDE CHANGING TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS MORE COMPATIBLE, LOWER INTENSITY, LESS WETLANDS AND DRAINAGE IMPACT ISSUES AND ALTERNATE ACCESS POINT THAT DOES NOT RUN TRAFFIC TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CREATING SUCH SEVERE TRAFFIC ISSUES, WHAT IS THE POINT OF REMANDING BACK TO PZA? IT WILL JUST GET DENIED AGAIN FOR ALL OF THE SAME REASONS. IT IS SIMPLY JUST NOT THE RIGHT FIT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. COMMISSIONERS WHITEHURST, SMITH, DEAN, WALDRON, CHAIRMAN BLOCKER, WE URGE YOU NOT TO REMAND THE PROJECT BUT INSTEAD, VOTE TO DENY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.> THANK YOU. MY UNDERSTANDING IS AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON NOMINATED AS A SPOKESPERSON BUT THERE MAY BE OTHER RESIDENTS?
>> THAT IS. IF EVER THE RESIDENTS WISH TO COME UP AND ADDRESS, NOT THE APPLICATION, JUST AS TO THE QUESTION OF THE REMAND. I THINK MS. CORTO DID THAT VERY WELL. SHE GAVE SOME REASONS BUT DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE FULL
THING. >> THIS GIVE MS. LINDSAY HAGA , DO YOU HAVE A BRIEF RESPONSE AND THEN WILL OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ONLY PROCEDURES OF THE PLANNING
PAND ZONING AGENCY. >> AND LISA MADE CHANGES ADDRESS OTHER ISSUES THAT MS. CORTO HAS RAISED AND WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES.
A REMAND IS WARRANTED BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND TO FILE THE APPLICATION
WITH YOUR STAFF. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR BOARD MEMBERS? WHEN WE OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED SPECIFICALLY TO THE REMAND TO THE PZA. MS. CORTO, YOU'VE BEEN NOMINATED TO SPEAK FOR SEVERAL RESIDENTS. WE LIKE TO GET THROUGH THIS IN A ORDERLY FASHION. WITH 2 PODIUMS. AND WHEN THAT WAS A SPEAK, COME UP LINE BEHIND THE PODIUMS AND WE WILL HEAR YOU ONLY AN ISSUE OF REMANDING.
PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> PUBLIC COMMENT AND ITEM NUMBER 1. ON THE ISSUE OF REMAND AND PLEASE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD REQUIRED BY LAW AND 3 MINUTES.
YES MA'AM GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS CECILIA ALDRICH I LIVE IT 344 LYMAN STREET. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS MORNING.
I CERTAINLY SUPPORT ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ALONG THE AREA.
I'M IN AN AREA I THINK THAT IS KIND OF BEEN OVERLOOKED. GENARO STREET AND LYMAN STREET OR TOO LITTLE DEAD-END CUL-DE-SACS OFF OF LEWIS SPEEDWAY.
AND THEN ARANOTHER ROAD IS NOT ONE I'VE HEARD MENTION EITHER. WE'VE --
>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY. MS. ALDRICH, THIS IS JUST A QUESTION OF TO REMAND OR NOT TO REMAND. NOT THE MERITS OF THE APPLICATION.
>> I'M SORRY. >> JUST WHETHER TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PZA OR NOT.
NOT ON A MERITS. >> OKAY AM SORRY. >> NO, THAT'S FINE.
AGAIN, JUST MAKING IT CLEAR TO THE AUDIENCE. WHAT WE ARE DECIDING TODAY THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST TO REMAND THIS ITEM, AGENDA ITEM TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY WITH THE REQUEST IS TO SEND BACK TO THEM TO REVIEW SOME MATERIAL CHANGES THAT THE PROJECT IS REQUESTING.
WHEN WE WANT TO HEAR FROM TODAY, RIGHT NOW IS PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT SPECIFIC REMANDING BACK. AS FAR AS MERITS, THERE WILL BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO HEAR THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS OUR ENERGY ON RIGHT NOW.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> IT'S OKAY IT CAN BE VERY
CONFUSING SO NO WORRIES! >> THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS JOHN.
-- I MET WITH SEVERAL OF YOU THINK VERY MUCH. I RECOMMEND SENDING BACK TO PZA. UNLESS THEY CHANGE IT, AND I HAVE OTHER STUFF AFTER THAT RIGHT? IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? IF YOU DISAPPROVE, YOU HAVE
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OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT, RIGHT? >> THAT IS RIGHT. >> I'M AGAINST IT, THANKS.
>> AGAIN, ANYONE ELSE THAT WAS A SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS IN AN ORDERLY FASHION. WE HAVE 2 PODIUMS YOU CAN LINE UP AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
THANK YOU. THE MONEY. >> ANGELA, I OBJECTED SENDING IT BACK, JUST FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT SUPPORT THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> I AM SHERRY -- I AM AGAINST ST REMANDING BECAUSE MAINLY, THERE IS TOO UCH IMPROVEMENT TO PORTER ROAD AND TO THE OTHER ROWS HAVE TO BE DONE AND THE SPEEDWAY THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WILL ADDRESS ALL OF THAT.
IT IS JUST MY OPINION. >> THANK YOU. >> PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 1. PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND FORM A LINE AS THE
CHAIRMAN HAS REQUESTED. YES MA'AM? >> -- I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, IT HAS TO DO WITH TRAFFIC. I HAVE SOME PICTURES I REALLY
DON'T KNOW HOW TO SHOW IT. >> RIGHT, GET MR. CHAIR, SHOW THE CONSTITUENT HAS VERY ILLUSTRATIVE PICTURES OF THE MERITS OF THE APPLICATION. BUT THE QUESTION STAYS JUST TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PZA OR TO HEAR IT TODAY. AND AGAIN, THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS TODAY, WHETHER WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGENDA ITEM OR CONSENT TO THE PZA THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT. RIGHT NOW THE QUESTION BEFORE
THE BOARD IS -- >> AT THAT THIS WOULD AFFECT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
BUT THAT'S OKAY. >> GO AHEAD, >> I WANTED TO SHOW PICTURES.
IF I DON'T SHOW THE PICTURE I WILL WAIT.> WANT TO HEAR YOUR OPINION WHETHER THEY SHOULD GO BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. THOSE ARE RELEVANT TO THE
DECISION THEN -- >> OKAY. WE WANT TO DESTROY THE PICTURE BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO SEE WHAT -- THE PICTURES WILL GIVE YOU THE OVERALL IDEA OF EVERYTHING.
CHILDREN PLAY ON THE ROAD AND I KNOW THAT SPEED IS 25 MILES AN HOUR.
AND THAT IT WAS SAFE AND WE WERE CAREFUL ABOUT IT. I'VE SEEN ADULTS TAKING CARE OF THE CHILDREN OF THE ROAD BUT I'M AFRAID WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING ON IT WILL NOT BE VERY SAFE FOR THEM. THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
IT WOULD BE AMAZING THE INTERACTION THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY WITH THEM AND I CAN SHOW YOU THE PICTURES I'VE TAKEN FROM MY HOUSE AND WHAT IS THERE.
I THINK ALL OF THIS WAS GO AWAY ACTUALLY AND IT IS NOT, I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO FOR THE WILDLIFE. THE WIRELESS DO NOT HAVE A VOICE AND I'M HERE TO BE THEIR VOICE. I FEEL WE SHOULD NOT ALTER THEIR ENVIRONMENT AND TRAFFIC.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT FENCING. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF FIELDS AND A LOT OF TREES AND THE DEER JUST SLEEP IN THE BACK WHERE I CAN SEE THEM GOING TO SLEEP AND I SEE THEM COMING IN THE MORNING TO EAT. AND THOSE THINGS WILL BE GONE.
IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS. WHEN MOVING HERE, WENT TO DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, I WENT TO GATED COMMUNITIES AND I WAS LOOKING FOR A PLACE WHERE I COULD SEE THE AREA AND IT WAS
PROVIDED. >> ALL THIS IS BACK IS TO SEND IT BACK TO PZA.
>> THANK YOU A, I WILL TALK AGAIN THOUGH. >> YES WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
>> M GEORGE. 460 MCLEOD ROAD. I'M HERE TO ASK WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IS THE WATER USAGE FROM THE AQUIFER. ALL OF THE WELLS BEING DRILLED
OFF OF THE INTERNATIONAL GOLF DRIVE. >> MR. GEORGE LET ME STOP REAL QUICK I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOU. AGAIN, THIS IS THE MERITS I THINK YOU'RE RAISING ISSUES OF THE WATER TABLES. IT'S THE MERITS OF THE PROJECT
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HEREUNDER WE ARE HAVING THE DECISION, WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER SEND THIS BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. THAT IS THE INPUT WE NEED RIGHT NOW.>> I KNOW I'VE DRIVEN DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE LAST MONTH AND IT WAS COVERED OVER WITH WATER.
AND I HAVE TO DRIVE THERE A LOT THE AREA RIGHT THERE IS AN USUAL AREA FOR SAINT AUGUSTINE BECAUSE THE AREA IS PROBABLY AT LEAST 12,000 YEARS OLD. UNTOUCHED.
12,000 YEARS OLD. SOME TREES AND THERE ARE EVEN OLDER THAN THAT.
AND I'M AGAINST THE SUBDIVISION. I'M AGAINST ANY SUBDIVISIONS IN
THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET THE AQUIFER. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING, CAROL -- WE LIVED AT THE END OF, MY ADDRESS IS 5395 -- EXTENSION! AND OBVIOUS WITH THE NUMBER THAT IS HERE TODAY, I THINK WE ALL HAVE THE SAME ANSWER. WE ARE ALL AGAINST THE PROJECT AND WE DO NOT WANT TO GO BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING THEY WERE VERY INTELLIGENT AND MAKING THEIR DECISION AND HOPE YOU GUYS WILL ALSO. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU PARA. >> CRYSTAL GIBSOAND HALEY GAYE, FOR-- WE ARE COMPLETE AGAINST
THIS. THANK YOU. >> AGAIN DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK
TO THE PZA? >> WE WANTED TO GO BACK.> GOOD MORNING.
I AM -- I AM AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROJECT. >> OKAY WE ARE HERE RIGHT NOW
IS IT GOING BACK TO THE PZA? >> WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW, MY ANSWER IS JUST LIKE MS.
HERE -- [INAUDIBLE] >> ALL RIGHT, SIR. >> MY NAME IS JOHNNY, -- ACTUALLY THE EAST-WEST ROAD OF THE PROJECT. DUMPING INTO 40 FOOT ROAD.
NOTHING WILL CHANGE IF THEY ARE COMING OUT THERE. WE SHOULD CONTINUE ON.
BECAUSE IF THEY GO BACK TO CHANGE, NOTHING IS CHANGING. YOU CANNOT MAGICALLY MAKE THE ROAD ANY BIGGER. AND THE TRAFFIC ON OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND LEWIS SPEEDWAY WILL CONTINUE TO GET WORSE. THAT'S REALLY THE END OF IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS
CONTINUE TODAY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY, THANK YOU PARA.
>> JOE CORTO -- COMPLETELY GUESSES GOING BACK TO PZA WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH TWICE.
THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS MICHELLE MOORE, -- I AGREE WITH MY HUSBAND, WHICH DOES NOT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS
VOTE TODAY TO DENY THE PROJECT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
>> ROBERT -- SOUTH HORSESHOE ROAD LET'S GET IT DONE TODAY. HANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. SIR, YOU CAN GO AHEAD.
IF YOU COULD HAVE A SEAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET TO THIS IN A ORDERLY WAY. AFTER YOUR SPEAKING PLEASE HAVE
A SEAT. GO AHEAD. >> I AM KIM MOORE, JOHNNY MOORE'S SISTER. I LIVED DIRECTLY ACROSS WHERE THEY WANT TO MAKE ENTRANCE.
I WANT THIS TO GO ON TODAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
YES MA'AM? >> I AM ALISA DONE 5110 PORTER ROAD I OBJECT TO SENDING IT BACK TO THE PZA, THEY MADE THE DECISION LET'S RESPECT HEIR DECISION.
>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. LINDA -- I DO NOT WANT THIS TO
O GO BACK. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS -- I ALSO WITH ALL MY NEIGHBORS THAT THIS IS -- TO THE PZA. THANK YOU.
SPEEDWAY. UNLESS THE CHANGES THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING REDUCES THE DENSITY, IT'S JUST THE OPEN RURAL OUT OF THE WAY, RESIDENTIAL AREA NOW AND TO
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BRING IN 237 NEW HOMES, THE IMPACT THAT IT WILL HAVE IS DEVASTATING TO US.SO PLEASE, PROCEED WITH THIS TODAY. [APPLAUSE]
>> BJ -- WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. -- LET'S SEE.
THIS SHOULD NOT BE REMANDED BACK TO THE PZA. YOU SHOULD HEAR IT TODAY, DENY IT OR MOVE IT ON. THE DEVELOPER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WITHDRAW THIS THING. AND DO IT IN AN ORDERLY WAY THROUGH THE PZA.
AGAIN. SO, NO GOING BACK. DO NOT DEMAND IT, HERE IT TODAY, THESE PEOPLE HAVE COME OUT TO SPEAK WITH HER NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> ANY OTHER FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? ON THE ISSUE OF REMAND OF PZA ON ITEM 1?
I SEE NONE. >> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED ON THIS PROCEDURAL MATTER.
>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AND MR. CHAIRMAN PREDICTING THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMENTS, THERE IS EVIDENCE OF WHY WE SHOULD BE REMANDED BACK TO THE PZA. WE WILL PRESENT A SERIES OF CHANGES THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED 2 HOUR PLAN AND IT WILL UNFOLD HERE ON THE FLOOR WITHOUT THE COMMUNITY UNDER STEP HAVING THE BENEFIT OF EVALUATING THAT PLAN WITH THE TIME THEY DESERVE TO HAVE THAT. WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE IS READY TO CONSIDER THE ITEM, WE ARE TOO, IT WOULD BE THE BETTER ORDERLY FASHION IF WE WERE REMANDING IT BACK TO THE PZA THE FOCUS OF THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN CHANGED. WHICH ARE INCLUDING SOME OF THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES OF LOT SIZE AND DENSITY AS WELL AS GET TO THE ISSUE OF THE -- I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS AND EVERYONE PARTICIPATING FOR THE SERIES OF MEETINGS AND WE
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST TO BE REMANDED BACK TO THE PZA. >> BEFORE WE GO FURTHER HELP ME UNDERSTAND. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT MEMBERS OF THE PZA REQUEST
DELAY FOR FOR THE TIME TO EVALUATE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> NO I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS IS GENERATED FROM THEM IS GENERATED FROM THE APPLICANT TO REQUEST NOT A REQUEST BY 1 OF
THE PZA MEMBERS TO DELAY THIS MATTER? >> YES, SIR.
DURING OUR AUGUST 5 MEETING, A QUESTION WAS POSED BY 1 OF THE PZA MEMBERS TO THE APPLICANT.
THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE SELLER TO THE APPLICANT.HE PZA DID
PROFFER THAT TO US. >> OKAY THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD?COMMISSIONER TRENT 8.
>> AT THE MOMENT THERE ARE NOT ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS AND THEN MAKE A SUGGESTIONS AND EMOTION. I MADE IT CLEAR TO THE APPLICANT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS. THEN I CANNOT SUPPORT THE CURRENT APPLICATION FOR REASONS INVOLVING DENSITY, TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE, AND THE FACT THAT I HAVE FOUND THAT PROPOSAL HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US IN COMPATIBLE WITH A VERY -- NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS. HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK IT IS ONLY FAIR TO THE APPLICANT, THE LAND OWNER, TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY WITH A DIFFERENT PLAN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL BE.
I THINK IT'S UNFAIR FOR ME TO SIT HERE AND PRE-JUDGE THAT MAY NOT MEET WHAT I CONSIDER STANDARD FOR CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL. I HAVE HEARD ALL OF YOU, MET WITH MANY OF YOU AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BELIEVE ME.
BUT IN FAIRNESS TO THE LAND OWNER, I THINK IT IS ONLY RIGHT THAT HE BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY WHICH VOTED 4 Ã2 TO DENY THE PROJECT, WE KNOW THIS. WITH THAT, UNLESS OUR FURTHER DISCUSSIONS I AM PREPARED TO
MAKE A MOTION. >> IS A FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
PLEASE MAKE YOUR MOTION, SIR. >> ON ITEM NUMBER 1 I WOULD MOVE THAT THIS ITEM BE REMANDED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY FOR FURTHER ACTION ACCORDING TO OUR ORDINANCES.
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>> IS THERE A 2ND? >> 2ND. >> CAN WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER TRENT 8 AND 2ND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'VE HEARD BOTH SIDES AND IS DEFINITELY TOUCHING TO ME TO HAVE A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE TAKEN TIME OUT TO ATTEND TODAY, AND I WILL VOTE AGAINST THAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HEAR THIS TODAY AND THAT IS MY OPINION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. [APPLAUSE]
>> MR. WALDRON. >> I ALSO AGREE I WILL VOTE AGAINST SENDING IT BACK.
MAINLY BECAUSE EVERYONE IS TAKEN OFF OF WORK TO BE HERE. THEY'VE TAKEN OFF OF WORK TO BE AT THE PZA MEETING. CHANGES SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE BEFORE IT GOT TO US IN OUR REALITY. I WOULD RATHER IT BE PULLED FROM US AND BE AT THIS POINT BUT THERE IS A LARGE CROWD TAKING OFF WORK AND AGAIN WILL HAVE TO TAKE UP 2 MORE TIMES.
[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU, ANYTHING FURTHER? OKAY, SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.
PASSES 3 Ã2, IT WILL BE REMANDED BACK TO THE PZA. WHAT IS THE DAY FOR THAT?
>> OCTOBER 21 OR NOVEMBER 4. >> OCTOBER? >> 21ST OR THE NOVEMBER 4
MEETING. >> OKAY. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAKE.
>> YES. >> THE BOARD HAD HEARD A THING MANY VERY WELL EXPRESSED CONCERNS TODAY. MS. LINDSAY HAGA IS A PROFESSIONAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAVE NOT MET THIS CARLA CORTO, I HEARD HER PRESENT SAY.
I THINK SHE IS AN ABLE REPRESENTATIVE AND THERE SOME OTHER I THINK, OF THE CITIZEN SPEAKERS HERE TODAY, I GUESS WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT IT MAY BE HELPFUL BEFORE THIS ITEM MAYBE EVEN GOES TO THE PZA, CERTAINLY BACK TO THE BCC, THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MS. LINDSAY HAGA AND HER TEAM TO MEET WITH MS. CORTO AND PERHAPS SOME CITIZENS AND YOU KNOW IN A INFORMAL BASIS AND TRY TO, IF IT CAN BE DONE, TO KNOCK OFF SOME OF THE ISSUES BEFORE
COMING BACK. >> IS MS. CORTO STILL HERE? MA'AM DID YOU HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY -- >> YES THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME BACK UP. I FEEL WE COVERED THESE ISSUES AT THE 4 COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
WE BROUGHT UP ALTERNATE ACCESS, WE BROUGHT UP THE DRAINAGE, WE BROUGHT UP THE SAFETY TRAFFIC ISSUES ON THAT. AND STILL CAME UP WITH THE SAME PLAN.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NOW, AFTER ALL OF THIS, THEY HAVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THEIR PLANS TO LOWER THE DENSITY, TO CHANGE THE ACCESS POINTS AND NONE OF THAT HAPPENED. SO NOW WE HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN?
>> WELL -- CHRIS WE ARE ABLE TO MEET WITH MS. CORTO AND HER PRESENT LIVES OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD TO PRESENT THE PLAN. >> I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER TRENT 8 AND ALL OF US.
THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS WITH THE PROJECT. I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IN Y'ALL BEST INTEREST TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE THE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED BEFORE THIS REACHES A FINAL POINT OF DETERMINATION. AS COMMISSIONER DEAN SAID, I THINK HE WAS SPOT ON THE ISSUES OF DENSITY, TRAFFIC, THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS SEEN BY
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NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING HERE. I THINK IT'S IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO MEET AND TRY ANDSEE IF THIS CAN GET WORKED OUT BEFORE THE PZA. >> GREAT, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU. MOVE ON TO AGENDA AND I'M
NUMBER 2 QUASI- MATTER WILL START. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, PRESENTLY 1:30 PM I MET WITH.
HISTORY OF THE TWIN CREEKS DRI. >> YES? >> I APOLOGIZE, YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE LANDOWNER. MAY I ASK WHY THEM AS A LANDOWNER, HAVE BECOME MORE THAN IMPORTANT THAN US IS ALSO THE LAND OWNERS? I JUST WANT -- THANK YOU.
>> GO AHEAD, I'M SORRY. >> NO PROBLEM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
WE DID DISCUSS THE HISTORY OF THE TWIN CREEKS DRI. WE DISCUSSED THE REASONS FOR
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE DRI AND IT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 9 12 PM, I MET WITH.
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ASKING TO CHANGE, THE PHASING AND OTHER I THINK THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT.THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 9 ITEM AT AT 4 O'CLOCK WITH.
SEEKING TODAY AND INVOLVING THE ENSITY Y CHANGES AND LAND D USE CHANGES FOR JECT.
FOR CHANGES IN REGARD TO SCHOOLS, AND CYPRESS SCHOOL PARKING, DISCUSS THE ORIGINAL SITE BEING 2.2 ACRES EXPANDING INTO 13 ACRES ETC. WE DISCUSSED THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS AND IMPACT ON COMMERCIAL SPACE. PROPOSAL TO TAKE THIS FROM JANUARY UNTIL THE END OF SUMMER 2022. THE REASONS BEHIND THE DESIRE TO DO SO REGARD TO THE INDUSTRIAL SPACE IN HISTORY THERE. ALSO DISCUSSED WORKFORCE HOUSING. HOW THAT CAN BE HANDLED. AND I THINK THAT COVERS MIND.
>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. >> SEPTEMBER 9, APPROXIMATELY 9:30 P.M. WITH.
WORKFORCE HOUSING. SPECIFICALLY, ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEM TODAY.
THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
ASSOCIATES OF, AND MASTER DEVELOPER OF THE DRI AS WELL AS THE TWIN CREEKS PUD.
OUR PLANNING FIRM FOR THE PROJECT, WE WILL MARCH FORWARD TO THE MODIFICATION.
WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS A MODIFICATION TO THE TWIN CREEKS DEVELOPMENT REGIONAL IMPACT. THIS IS FOR THE PORTION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY OWNED BY SOUTH JACKSONVILLE PROPERTIES.T IS A DIFFERENT DRI DEVELOP IN ORDER FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED SOME OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 210. JUST BY WAY OF ORIENTATION, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED JUST WEST OF US1, NORTH AND SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 210 AND EAST OF I-95. YOU CAN SEE THE CRYSTAL LAGOON, THIS IS AN AREA COMMONLY CALLED BEACH WALK. THERE'S A NEW HIGH SCHOOL SITE AND THEN YOU ALSO SEE THE PORTION THAT IS CALLED CREEKSIDE DOWN IN THIS AREA. PROPERTY HAS A NUMBER OF LAND-USE DESIGNATIONS WHICH IT HAD FOR MANY YEARS. MIXED-USE DISTRICT, RESIDENTIAL B AND RESIDENTIAL A. AND THROUGH THE TRIM PEAKS PUD. IT WAS APPROVED IN 2005 AND INCLUDED ALL 3000 ACRES AT THE TIME. IT WAS DIVIDED INTO 2 DRI IN 2014 AND IT WAS MODIFIED IN 2018 TO INCLUDE THE 6 LANE OF COUNTY ROAD 210 AND REFLECT CERTAIN LAND-USE CONVERSIONS. TO DATE THE DEVELOPER HAS CONSTRUCTED THE 6 LANE PORTION OF COUNTY ROAD 210 WITHIN THE PROJECT BOUNDARIES IF YOU WILL. AND HAS DESIGNATED A PARK SITE THAT WILL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT TODAY AND ALSO, 3 SCHOOL SITES.
ACTUALLY 2 SCHOOL SITES AND A BUS MAINTENANCE FACILITY SITE AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE BUS MAINTENANCE FACILITY SITE TODAY AS WELL. JUST BY WAY OF REFERENCE FOR THE PROJECT AGAIN, HERE'S COUNTY ROAD 210 AND THE ULTIMATE 210.
THE PROPOSED, THERE IS EXISTING TRAFFIC SIGNAL WITH 3 MORE FORTHCOMING ALONG COUNTY ROAD 210. AGAIN THE BEACH WALK ACTIVITY CENTER, HERE IS A HIGH SCHOOL SITE WHERE THERE IS A NEW HIGH SCHOOL CONSTRUCTED NOW. K-8 SCHOOL SITE AGAIN, WHICH IS ALREADY BEEN DEDICATED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, HERE'S THE COMMUNITY SITE THAT ACREAGE HAS ALREADY BEEN DEDICATED TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, WILL TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTION IN FIELDS ON THE SITE. THERE'S ALSO A WORKFORCE HOUSING SITE WHICH WE WILL ALSO TALK ABOUT TODAY. IT IS NOT WITHIN THE DRI BOUNDARIES BUT AN OBLIGATION OF THIS PROJECT TO CONTRIBUTE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THEN YOU SEE THIS FLEX INDUSTRIAL PARCEL. THERE IS A LARGE ACREAGE OF FLEX INDUSTRIAL WITH ABOUT 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT AND IT WILL BE COMING FORWARD VERY SOON.
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AND SO AGAIN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHY THERE IS A CHANGE THAT THE DRI NEEDED TO ACTIVATE THAT FLEX INDUSTRIAL PARCEL. OR SERIES OF PARCELS. GOING THROUGH THE DRI, JUST FROM ORDER OF TOP TO BOTTOM IN THE DOCUMENT, WE WERE RUNNING THE LAND-USE TOTALS IN GENERAL IN ADDITION TO DO LAND-USE CONVERSION TO 80 MULTIFAMILY UNITS WHICH WILL BE AGE RESTRICTED ASSISTED-LIVING KIND OF UNITS. UPDATING THE PROJECT PHASING AND DATES PER THE LEGISLATIVE EXTENSIONS PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 252.363 FLORIDA STATUTES.ALSO REVISING GENERAL CONDITION 8 TO REFLECT UPDATES IN THE LAW WITH RESPECT TO DRI REPORTING AND MONITORING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROJECT WILL STILL BE REPORTING AND MONITORING FOR TRAFFIC WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE KEY IN THE COUNTY TODAY. THE DRI WILL KEEP UP THAT TRAFFIC MONITORING. NOW GETTING INTO THE ROLE SPECIFIC TECHNICAL CHANGES.
THERE IS A SITE AGAIN, THAT IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE IN THE PROPERTY, IS ABOUT 13 ACRES.
RIGHT NOW THE DRI DEVELOP AN ORDER SAYS THAT PARCEL CAN BE CONVEYED TO THE COUNTY.
THE COUNTY CAN EITHER BUILD WORKFORCE HOUSING ON THAT SITE, OR SELL THE PROPERTY FOR MONEY TO BUILD WORKFORCE HOUSING ELSEWHERE. WE ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT TO ALLOW AN AFFILIATE OF THE MASTER DEVELOPER CALLED MOMENTUM HOUSING OR MOMENTUM RESIDENTIAL, SORRY. TO CONSTRUCT WORKFORCE HOUSING ON THE PROPERTY.
AND SO IT WILL BE MULTIFAMILY UNITS, THEY WILL BE AFFORDABLE TO PEOPLE WITH INCOME RANGES BETWEEN 80 AND HUNDRED AND 20 PERCENT OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME. SO AGAIN, YOU DEAL WITH FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE OFFICERS, ALL OF THAT IN A GUARANTEED INCOME AREA IF YOU WILL PURSUANT TO THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER. JUST FOR ANYONE THERE BEEN A NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM CREEKSIDE AT TWIN PEAKS THAT HAVE ASKED US QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE WORKFORCE HOUSING, IS NOT GOING TO BE HARD OR GOVERNMENT-SUBSIDIZED HOUSING WE JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT FOR THE RECORD. THAT IS THE CHANGE TO WORKFORCE HOUSING. THEN WE ALSO HAVE CHANGE TO THE EDUCATION COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT, I MENTIONED AGAIN, THERE IS A SCHOOL BOARD BUS MAINTENANCE SITE RIGHT HERE TODAY 10 ACRES HAVE BEEN DEDICATED TO SCHOOL BOARD FOR THE FACILITY.
AND THEY WANT ADDITIONAL ACREAGE POSSIBLY A RESTRUCTURE OF THE SITE.
WE WORK INTO THE DETAILS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. I DO WANT TO MENTION RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE'VE SUBMITTED A REVISED DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND IN THE 2 REVISIONS THAT WERE REFLECTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER, WE REFLECTED THAT WE DID NOT KNOW THE EXACT ACREAGE OF THE TRANSACTION WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD OR THE TIMING OF THAT TRANSACTION OCCURRING.
I WANT TO JUST ASK YOU TO LOOK AT A REDLINE FOR ONE ADDITIONAL CHANGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT CAPPED IN OR OBLIGATED TO 2.70 SPECIFIC ACRES. I WOULD LIKE FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER TODAY, THE CHANGES. AGAIN, THE LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER SAYS INCLUDING THE ADDITIONAL 2.78 ACRES FOR MAINTENANCE AND STORAGE FACILITY.
WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO REFER TO ANY ADDITIONAL LAND FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND STORAGE FACILITY IF THAT IS APPROVED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD AND WHAT WE PUT FORTH AS A 3RD AMENDMENT TO THE SCHOOL PROPORTION INSURED AGREEMENT. JUST IN CASE OF THERE IS NO MEETING OF THE MINDS OR YOU KNOW, THE PARTIES DECIDE TO LEAVE THE CONFIGURATION AS IT IS. AND THEN BACK TO THE POWERPOINT FOR ONE LAST CHANGE.
AGAIN, CLARIFYING THE CONSTRUCTION TIMEFRAME FOR THE PARK SITE.
GOING BACK TO THE MAP. FOR THE PARK SITE, THIS PARK SITE HAS A READY BEEN DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY. THE DEVELOP AN ORDER REQUIRES THE DEVELOPER TO BILL FOR MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS AND LIKE THEM, BY THE BEGINNING OF PHASE 2.
THIS PROJECT IS NOT IN PHASE NUMBER 2 RIGHT NOW BUT I MENTIONED THIS FLEX INDUSTRIAL, THERE'S A LARGE USER FOR ABOUT A MILLION SQUARE FEET OR SO OF THAT FLEX INDUSTRIAL THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A GUARANTEE THAT HE OR SHE IS NOT GOING TO BE STOPPED FROM GOING INTO PHASE 2. SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO PUT IN A FINITE DATE THAT THE MASTER DEVELOPER HAS TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIELDS ON THAT PARK SITE AT THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR 2022 AND FINISH THE FIELDS CONSTRUCTION BY THE END OF THE YEAR. SO THAT, AND THOSE DATES WILL NOT BE EXTENDED. BY OPERATION OF LAW THERE MAY BE, IF WE HAVE HURRICANE IN ST.
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JOHN'S COUNTY, BUT NOT SOMETHING LIKE IF THERE IS A HURRICANE OR TROPICAL STORM OVER IN THE HIP PANHANDLE OR WHATEVER THAT DOES NOT AFFECT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIELDS.THOSE ARE THE CHANGES AGAIN, YOU'VE SEEN ALL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS YOU SEE THIS THESE ARE THE 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF THE FLEX INDUSTRIAL THAT YOU SEE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THAT ARE IN TWIN CREEKS RIGHT NOW AND THE DIFFERENT PHASING FOR EACH OF THOSE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. AND SO, THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE DRI MODIFICATION AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE IT TODAY.
AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE THANK YOU.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER --
>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OVERHEAD? >> YES.
WI-- WITH THE CHANGE IN THE ACREAGE CHANGE THE BOTTOM PARAGRAPH OF THAT?
THE BOTTOM OF THE 1ST SECTION, THE TOTAL PORTION, -- >> THAT IS THE EXISTING DO, THE POINT TO MAKE THE CHANGE IS, NO MATTER HOW MUCH LAND IS CONVEYED OR SWAPPED WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, THAT THOSE DOLLARS WILL BE HANDLED IN THIS 3RD AMENDMENT IN THE SHARED AGREEMENT, SO THAT IS NOT IN THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER BECAUSE YOU GOT SO MANY SPECIFIC NUMBERS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT ORDER THAT EVERY TIME WE CHANGE THE SCHOOL MITIGATION PLAN, THEN WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER.
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO JUST TAKE THE LEVEL OF DETAIL OUT OF THE DO AND LEAVE IT TO THE AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD ONLY. COMMISSIONER ETM POINT, OBVIOUSLY, THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS ITS RULES ABOUT THE VALUE OF LAND AT $111,239 AN ACRE.
IF MORELAND IS DESIGNATED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, MR. KINSEY WILL GET THE CREDIT.
IF LESS LAND IS OWED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, THEN HE WILL GET LESS CREDIT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRETY OF THE SCHOOL BOARD LANGUAGE FOR ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, HE WILL OWE. HOLD ON A MINUTE.
$9768 PER SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNIT AND $4194 PER MULTIFAMILY UNIT.
>> OKAY BUT WE HAVE IT SENIOR LEAVING OVER 50. >> YES.
-- THERE IS NO PROPORTIONATE SHARE DUE FOR AGE RESTRICTED UNITS.
AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE SCHOOL BOARD DEFINITION OF AGE RESTRICTED.
>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING FURTHER? OKAY.
WHEN WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2 TWIN PEAKS. YES SIR? NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU, HOWARD -- RESIDENT OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY APPEARS SO INVERSELY WITH THE DRI AND MR. KINSEY'S PROJECT IS MISSISSIPPI EXPANSION AND HAVING THE ADDITIONAL MULTIUSE SPACE BECAUSE OUR FIELDS AND YOUTH, THEY ARE STRUGGLING TO FIND PLACES THAT THEY CAN PLAY SOCCER AND MIDDLE SCHOOL SPORTS ACTIVITIES. IT IS NICE TO SEE THAT MORE IMPORTANTLY YOU ALL KNOW THE COUNTY IS GROWING. THE COUNTY IS GOING OUR WORKFORCE IS GROWING, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GROWING.
POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GROWING AND THE HOUSING IS A CONCERN AND IT IS NICE TO SEE SOMEBODY WITH A PROJECT THAT ADDRESSES THAT. THANK YOU, MR. KINSEY.
>> THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR? >> GOOD MORNING, -- I'M ALSO PART OF THE -- ASSOCIATION. GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE ARE CHANGES AND THERE IS A DEFINITE END DATE BEING PUT ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE FIELDS. I COULD JUST SAY WE NEED THOSE ADDITIONAL FIELDS.E HAVE MANY ESPECIALLY YOUNG KIDS COMING FROM THAT AREA.
AND WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF ROOM IN PONTE VEDRA. THE ONLY THING THAT CONCERNS ME AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT, IS THAT THE ORDER TO BUILD THOSE FIELDS REALLY ONLY INCLUDES FIELDS AND LIGHTS. THERE IS NO RESTROOM FACILITIES, NO PARKING, WHICH MAKES IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR THE COUNTY AND US AS RESIDENTS AND ARE EXPECTED USER GROUP TO START USING THOSE FIELDS, TO ACTUALLY BRING THEM INTO A USABLE CONDITION. I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AND IN YOUR THOUGHTS AND
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MAYBE WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>> THANK YOU. FOR THE PUBLIC, AND ITEM NUMBER 2?
YES, SIR. >> TOM GEORGE -- 460 MCLEOD ROAD.
ONCE AGAIN, I THINK BEFORE YOU ISSUE ANYMORE -- YOU NEED TO DO MORE IN THE AQUIFER.
AT LEAST 10 YEAR. WE DON'T HAVE THE WATER, AS WELL DRILLING IN THE COUNTY 50 YEARS I'M TELLING YOU, MY WELL-STOCKED. WE NEED TO SLOW THE GROWTH DOWN. WE NEED TO DRILL WELLS FATHER APART FROM EACH OTHER.
THE COUNTY IS DRILLING WELLS 5 MILES AWAY FROM THE CITY WELLFIELDS.
WE DIDN'T HAVE WATER BACK AROUND VALENCIA AND THAT IS WHY EVERYBODY FROM VALENCIA TO 210 PAYS JEA FOR THEIR WATER AND SEWER. THE AQUIFER HAS NOT CHANGED.
WE TALK ABOUT RECHARGE, THE NUMBER YOU TALK ABOUT, IN THE PAPERS I READ, THERE IS NO RECHARGE FOR THE FLORIDA AQUIFER WHERE WE ARE PULLING FROM FOR THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU ARE ALL TRYING TO PUSH THROUGH. THE CLOSEST PLACE IS GEORGIA.
IF YOU WANT TO COUNT KINSEY LAKE, WHICH IS GOING DRY. IT USED TO BE A RECHARGE AND NOW THERE IS WATER 200 FEET FROM THEIR AT THE DOCKS. YOU HAVE 2 GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER AND DO PROJECTIONS FOR THE FLORIDA AQUIFER WHERE WE ARE PULLING WATER FROM AND QUIT DRILLING WELLS ON PEOPLE THAT GOT SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS COUNTY, DRAWING THE WELLS BECAUSE THEY OWN THE PROPERTY. YOU NEED TO FIND, NEED TO SPREAD THE WELLS OUT.
THE WELL THAT THEY HAD TO DRILL FOR VALENCIA, IS IN KNOXVILLE. I FOUND OUT THAT THE -- BECAUSE FROM WATER USAGE. IT'S REACHED INTO THE UNTY NOW -- THAT IS WHERE ALL OF EAST SIDE OF US1 FROM INTERNATIONAL GOLF DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO 210 AND THIS HAS HAPPENED WHAT? 15 YEARS? I'VE GOT LYME DISEASE, THAT'S WHY I CANNOT REMEMBER ALL THIS.
BUT I THINK BEFORE Y'ALL DO ANYTHING AT ALL, YOU SHOULD GET A PROJECTION FROM THE ST.
JOHN'S WATER RIVER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND FIND OUT WHETHER OUR WELLFIELDS FOR THE CITY CAN HANDLE IT. AND WHETHER THE COUNTY, HOW MUCH COUNTY WILL USE ON THEIR WELLS COMBINED TOGETHER. I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE 3 WELLS IN THE CITY THAT THEY USE AND THEY HAVE TO ROTATE THOSE 3 WELLS TO STAY, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THEY CAN USE OFF OF A WELL. THEY HAVE GOT TO SWITCH TO ANOTHER WELL AND USE THAT.
>> THANK YOU SIR, TIME IS UP BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M HAVING FLASHBACKS TO MY WATER MANAGEMENT DAYS. VERY GOOD INFORMATION. [INAUDIBLE] I DO, I HOPE YOU REMEMBER ME AS WELL. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?
ITEM NUMBER 2. YES, SIR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. >>.
THE FACT THAT WE KEEP APPROVING THESE PROJECTS AND THIS COUNTY ONCE UPON A TIME HAD 20,000 PEOPLE AND HAD MOST OF THE POPULATION WAS IN THE CITY CONFINES, THAT HAD A SEWER SYSTEM, THE OTHER OUTLYING PEOPLE HAD SEPTIC MAYBE JUST A HOLE IN THE GROUND OR OUTHOUSE.
NOW WE HAVE 200,000 PLUS PEOPLE AND WE KICK THE CAN OF SEPTIC TANKS DOWN THE ROAD FOR DECADES. WE DON'T HAVE A SEWER SO CONSEQUENTLY, WE APPROVE SEPTIC. GENTLEMEN, WE CURRENTLY HAVE GOT TO THE POINT ONCE UPON A TIME, ST. JOHN'S HAD CLEAR RIVERS, LAKES AND STREAMS. I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE ANYMORE. WE ARE POLLUTED EVERY 1 OF THEM.
AND NOW WE'RE STILL GOING TO APPROVE SEPTIC TANKS? I'M LOOKING DOWN THIS LIST OF THINGS AND I'M APPALLED. WE ARE NOT ALONE IN THIS. AND PROBABLY IN CHARLOTTE
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COUNTY, THEY FINALLY REALIZED THEY HIT THE WALL BECAUSE THEY HAD POLLUTED THE GROUND TO THE POINT AND WE ARE DOING THAT WITH FAILED SEPTIC TANKS INCIDENTALLY, I'VE ALREADY PLAYED THAT GAME TWICE. THEY HAD TO DO SOMETHING. AND THEY DID BECAUSE IT FINALLY HIT TOURISM. BECAUSE THEY HAD ENOUGH POLLUTION THE FISH KILLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON, THAT TOURISTS STOPPED COMING. NOW, WE ARE APPROACHING THE POINT, ARE WE GOING TO KEEP KICKING DOWN THE ROAD WITH SEPTIC TANKS? I SUGGEST WE REMOVE THE WAR SEPTIC TANK FROM THE BUILDING CODE.IS IT GOING TO COST US MONEY? DARN RIGHT! BECAUSE YOU HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM AROUND TIED INTO A SEWAGE SYSTEM SOMEHOW. WE HAVE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, AND A COUPLE IN THE NORTH WHERE DADE COUNTY CAME DOWN AND TOOK CARE OF THAT BUT NOW WE DON'T HAVE MANY OTHERS. THERE ARE SOLUTIONS OUT THERE. I SUGGEST TO YOU, YOU FIND THEM. I'VE LOOKED AT YOUR MAP. WE'RE BUILDING EVERYWHERE.
OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS ONCE FORM FIELD. WE MORE THAN 3000 ACRES ASKING TO BE CHANGED INTO RURAL. FROM RURAL TO RESIDENTIAL. THAT IS MORE HOUSES.
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOUSES.OU'RE GOING TO PUT IN MORE SEPTIC TANKS? I'M WAITING TO HEAR FROM YOU GENTLEMEN KNOW WHAT YOU DECIDE ON THAT.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AND ITEM NUMBER 2, TWIN CREEKS. PUBLIC ITEM ON THE ITEM NUMBER 2.
>> THANK YOU, PUBLIC COMMENT NOT COMPLETED. BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> JUST VERY QUICKLY MR. CHAIRMAN. JUST FOR THE RECORD FOR MR. MACLEAN AND I THINK HIS LAST NAME WAS MOORE. THE GENTLEMAN I SPOKE WITH
WELLFIELDS. >> THAT IS MR. GEORGE. >> THANK YOU, MR. GEORGE.
THERE ARE NO SEPTIC TANKS PROPOSED FOR TWIN CREEKS. THIS IS BEEN APPROVED FOR 16 YEARS AND IS LOCATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY WITH RESPECT TO THE FIELDS, THE DRI DEVELOPED ORDER REQUIRES THE MASTER DEVELOPER TO BUILD A MULTIPURPOSE FIELD, MR. KINSEY HAD MET WITH PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND THEY ARE AWARE OF THE NEED FOR OTHER FACILITIES LIKE RESTROOMS AND PARKING. IF THERE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO KNOW.
>> OKAY THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO MR. WALDRON NEXT.
>> WHO WILL BUILD IT, I KNOW WE WOULD MAINTAIN IT BUT WHO WILL BUILD IT? AND HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS, I TRAVELED ALL OF THE COUNTY AND ALL OVER THE STATE.
COACHING SOCCER AND KIDS PLAYED SOCCER THERE ARE VERY FEW FIELDS THAT HAVE PARKING.
>> COMMISSIONER JOHN KINSEY ONE TOWNCENTER BOULEVARD BOCA RATON, FLORIDA.
THERE IS ROOM FOR THE 4 STANDARD SOCCER FIELDS ON THE SITE TOGETHER WITH THE ASSOCIATED DRAINAGE PARKING AND ROOM FOR THE RESTROOMS AT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WOULD CONSTRUCT WE HAVE MET WITH THEM, THE MASTER DEVELOPER WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING THE FIELDS WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH PARKS AND RECREATION, THE DESIGN OF THE FIELDS AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE, SLOPING AND HOW THE GRASS WILL BE PLANTED AS IF FULLY IN SUPPORT OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, INSTEAD OF LAYING SOD WE WILL GROW THE FIELDS AND LIKE YOU WOULD A GOLF COURSE. THE PLAN IS TO DO THAT NEXT SPRING SO THAT IT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR PLAY BY JANUARY 2023. THAT IS THE TIMEFRAME THAT PARKS AND RECREATION REQUESTED SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE IT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET FOR THE YEAR AND ALSO HAVE THEIR STUFF LINED UPS THEY ARE ABLE TO OPERATE THE FIELDS ONCE WE'VE
CONSTRUCTED IT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE
BOARD? IS THERE A MOTION? >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN READY TO MAKE A MOTION. I LIKE TO GO TO ADOPT
RESOLUTION 2021 ¦ >> 110. >> DRI MODIFICATION DRIMOD21-02
BASED UPON FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SAME.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND 2ND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE MAKE OF THE MOTION IS ACCEPTING PROPER LANGUAGE PRESENTED BY MS. SMITH TODAY ABOUT THE
SCHOOL BOARD APPROVAL. >> YES SIR, THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN MY MOTION.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
[3. Public Hearing * REZ 2021-27 Stokes Landing Townhomes]
[4. PFS AGREE 2021-03 Stokes Landing Townhomes Proportionate Fair Share Agreement (Part 1 of 2)]
WHITEHURST AND 2ND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION?[01:25:02]
SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. PASSES 5 Ã0. NO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3. THIS IS QUASIJUDICIAL WE WILL GO INTO START WITH QUASIJUDICIAL DISCLOSURES. COMMISSIONER SMITH WILL STARTWITH YOU SIR. >> I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING NEW ON THIS 1, MR.
CHAIRMAN. I THINK MOST OF IT -- >> THANK YOU, SIR.
MR. VICE CHAIR? >> NONE. >> MR. WALDRON.
>> NOTHING NEW. >> NOTHING MR. CHAIRMAN. >> GOOD MORNING.
>> -- WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE REASON IS COMING BACK BEFORE YOU IS I'D STATED IN THE LAST MEETING THAT WE WERE DOWN TO 286 UNITS. MY REQUEST IS FOR A TOTAL OF 320. EVEN THOUGH WE ARE DOING A ZONING REQUEST WE'VE DONE, WE MET WITH ALMOST REQUIREMENTS FOR PED. WE ARE 25 PERCENT OPEN SPACE, WHILE THE PROJECT DOES HAVE A FLOODWAY, WE STAY COMPLETELY OUT OF THE FLOODWAY AND COMPLETELY OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE. WE HAVE THE COUNTY STORM WATER MODELING AND WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. WE'VE DONE ARCHAEOLOGICAL STUDY. NOTHING WAS FOUND. WE'VE ALSO DONE A STUDY FOR WILDLIFE AND THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC HABITATS THERE. FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE ARE MIXED-USE SO WE ALLOWED 13 UNITS TO THE ACRE. THAT WILL GIVE US A TOTAL OF 415 UNITS. WE ARE NOT USING WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR ANY ADDITIONAL BONUS CREDITS HERE. WE HAVE IT BY RIGHT FROM THE COMP PLAN.
>> THAT BEING SAID. THE CONCURRENCY IS ITEM FOLLOWING THIS WHEN THERE IS A PORTION OF FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT AT THE VERY NEXT ITEM THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO GET APPROVED AND WE ARE PAYING OUR PORTION OF FAIR SHARE. WE WILL USE THOSE CREDITS ON THIS PROJECT. THE BUFFERS AND COMPATIBILITY THIS DOES COME WITH CONDITIONS TO THE EAST TOWER SITE THERE IS ANOTHER GENTLEMAN COMMENTED EAST THERE IS A GENTLEMAN THAT IS LIVED THERE MORE THAN 50 YEARS. AND WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF HIS PRIVACY. WE HAVE GIVEN A 35 FOOT COMPATIBILITY BUFFER.
AND I WOULD JUST WANT TO SHOW A PICTURE. THIS IS THE SITE VISIT AND WE EVEN HAVE THE SURVEYOR COME OUT AND PUT -- WE STARTED A 20 FOOT AND IT WAS ASKED IF WE COULD EXPAND TO 35 FEET. WE DID AGREE TO THAT AND IT'S 1 OF THE CONDITIONS ON THE ZONING, ADDITIONALLY ASKED FOR 8 OF 100 50 FEET, 8 FOOT TALL FENCE RIGHT WHERE THE RESIDENCES. AND WE'VE AGREED TO THAT AS WELL IT IS A CONDITION ON THIS.
BOB PORTER IS HERE BECAUSE DR HORTON WILL BE THE END USER WE DO HAVE UTILITY AVAILABILITY LETTER FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE UTILITIES. DEP PUT OUT THE NOTICE FOR OUR A WETLAND IMPACT SO IT IS UNNOTICED NOW AND THE PERMIT SHOULD BE ISSUED ANY DAY AND WATER MANAGEMENT READY TO ISSUE THE PERMITS. THE COUNTY HAS AWFUL ENGINEERING PLANS THAT WE ARE MAKING MODIFICATIONS TO AT THIS TIME.
WE FEEL AT THE SIGHT HAS BEEN FULLY VETTED TO ALL OF THE AGENCIES AND THROUGH EVERYTHING
THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. >> BOB PORTER, RACETRACK ROAD. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US BECAUSE WE WILL BE BUILDING HOMES IN THERE.> ANY QUESTIONS FOR
MR. PORTER? >> AT THIS TIME WHEN WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.> WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON 3 AND 4. PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS 3 AND 4. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
YES, SIR. WE WILL GET YOU NEXT. >> THANK YOU FOR HEARING FROM US, COMMISSIONERS MY NAME IS RICHARD NEWTON. I LIVE AT 337 LORS LANE OFF OF STOKES ROAD. WE HAVE A SEVERE DRAINAGE PROBLEM ON STOKES RIGHT HERE JUST THE LAST FEW MONTHS, WE HAD A HEAVY RAIN, SEVERAL OF THE CULPRITS THAT CROSSED AND WENT TO PEOPLES PROPERTY, OVERFLOWED THE TOP ONTO THE PROPERTY.
I HOPE THAT THIS IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. ANOTHER COUNTY NEEDS WORKFORCE HOUSING. ANOTHER BECAUSE YOU ARE GROWING SO FAST YOU HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE TO DO THE WORK AND MAINTAIN IT AFTERWARDS. PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON STOKES LANDING ROAD WITH THIS DRAINAGE AND THE IMPACT OF THE DENSITY
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THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING. EVERYBODY THERE OWNS ACREAGE. AND WE DON'T NEED A TON OF TRAFFIC ON STOKES ROAD AND I DO REALIZE THE ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE ON US1.BUT IN NO WAY CAN YOU SAY THAT WILL NOT IMPACT STOKES LANDING ROAD.
PLEASE TAKE THEM INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR VOTE, PLEASE.
>> WAYNE ELLISON 285 STOKES LANDING ROAD. I MOVED THERE IN 1977.
I'VE SEEN HER NEIGHBORHOOD GO FROM THE CLOSEST GAS STATION WAS 4 OR 5 MILES AWAY AND A CONVENIENCE STORE. ALSO OWN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE SLIGHTLY NORTH OF THIS ON US1.
IT IS GETTING VERY DIFFICULT FOR OUR PEOPLE, THEY GET OFF AND ON THE ROAD WITH DESTRUCTION TRYING TO MAKE TURNS ONTO US1. THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS AS FAR AS WHAT I'VE SEEN, HAS NO SOUTHBOUND ENTRANCE TO US1. THERE IS NO CUT ACROSS US1.
THESE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO TO SAINT AUGUSTINE HAVE TO COME UP TO STOKES ROAD AND MAKE A U-TURN IN ORDER TO GO BACK TO TOWN. THIS IS GOING TO PUT A BURDEN, ALREADY WE HAVE A BURDEN ON STOKES ROAD WITH TRAFFIC AND WE HAVE A HARD TIME SOMETIMES CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY GETTING OUT WITH THE POPULATION WHO HAS THAT FROM THE AREA IN THE BACK.
THIS WILL ADD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON THE PROPERTY AND IMPACT ON PROPERTIES ESPECIALLY THE FUTURE IS COMING OFF TO SAINT AUGUSTINE.
THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS MICHELLE -- WE WENT TO THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE NEEDED ACREAGE AND WANT TO THE QUIET AND WILDLIFE. WE HAVE PROPERTY ON SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH. REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH BUILDING HAS BEEN PUT ON SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH AND THE TAXES. I'M A LIFELONG SAINT AUGUSTINE RESIDENT, LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE. I HAVE SIBLINGS OWN BUSINESSES HERE. IT IS A SHAME ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY.
THE GROWTH IS UNSUSTAINABLE. WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO OUR WATER IN OUR WILDLIFE.
MY SISTER IS RIVER KEEPER, WE ARE FINDING -- THE CHANGES ARE HEARTBREAKING AND I REALLY NEED YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT. FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE OUR WHOLE LIVES WE HAVE BUSINESSES AND ON OTHER PROPERTIES, WE REALLY LOVE SYMPTOMS COUNTY I MOVED AWAY AND CAME BACK TO HAVE A BUSINESS HERE AND MAKE A HOME BECAUSE I LOVE THE COMMUNITY AND THAT WAS 10 YEARS AGO AND THEN SHOCKING WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST 10 YEARS.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR?> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS GLENN MILLER I LIVE AT 6984 -- BETWEEN STOKES LANDING AND WHITE CASTLE PAIR LIKE MR. ELLISON AND MR. NEWTON, I LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO FOR A LONG TIME. MY ENTIRE LIFE. I THINK THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD. IT IS NO WAY CONGRUENT WITH WHAT IS AROUND IT.
ALL THE HOUSES THAT WERE AROUND IT, AS I'VE GROWN UP PEOPLE HAD 2 ACRES YOU COULD HAVE A RENTAL PROPERTY TO HELP PAY FOR WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO SECURE. OVER THE YEARS, THINGS WOULD CHANGE, REZONING, WHERE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE TAX BASE SINCE THE 70S, THEY LOST INCOME TO HELP KEEP WHAT THEY WORKED TO KEEP SINCE THEN. NOW JUST BECAUSE IT IS LEGAL FOR THEM TO DO IT, NOT LOGICAL, SOMEONE ELSE, WE ARE TOLD WE CANNOT HAVE MONEY EXCUSE ME, CANNOT HAVE AN ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE ON OUR PROPERTY THAT WE HAD TO HAVE 2 ACRES PER HOUSE. AND YOU'RE GOING TO STUFF 320 UNITS ON A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT BACKS UP TO THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD I'M SPEAKING OF.
IT WILL BE JUST LIKE VALENCIA. THEY WILL SAY THEY WILL PUT 8 OR 10 FOOT FENCE.
BUT IT WILL PROBABLY BE A 8 OR 10 FOOT VINYL FENCE THAT WENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, DOES NOT BLEND IN, DOES NOT CAMOUFLAGE WITH TREES, IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN TO WHITE CASTLE. WHEN YOU TURN TO THE CHURCH AND LOOKING UP VALENCIA, THERE IS A BIG WHITE FENCE IT USED TO BE WOODS. SO YES, VINYL LASTS LONGER THAN WHAT I SEE WHY THEY DID IT MONEYWISE BUT IT S NOT LOGICAL IT DOES NOT FIT, IN ADDITION TO THAT THE PEOPLE THAT MOVED IN THE HAVE 2 STORY HOUSES THAT CAN SEE OVER THE FENCES, COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE BEFORE THEY WERE THERE.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, WHY WOULD YOU BUY A TWO-STORY HOUSE A CLOAK OVER THE FENCE INTO A
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NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEEN THERE BEFORE YOUR DEVELOPMENT WAS EVEN THOUGHT OF? NOW YOU WILL HAVE APARTMENTS DOING THE SAME THING. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A THREE-STORY APARTMENT WITH A 10 FOOT FENCE YOU HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE LOOKING OVER INTO THE EXISTING PEOPLES PLACES WHICH ON A PARTICULAR OTHER PEOPLE HAVE HORSES AND OPEN PROPERTY.RIGHT NOW THEY ARE BACKED UP TO WOODS. NOW YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE EVERYTHING OFF THE PROPERTY WITHOUT EXCEPTION A POND IN THE SLIGHT BUFFER TO THE GUY LUCKY ENOUGH ON THAT SIDE. BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE IT IN ADDITION TO THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS AND THE WATER PROBLEMS AND AS MR. NEWTON STATED, THE WATER PROBLEMS ON STOKES NOW, WITHOUT CAPTURING ALL THAT WATER, WHEN THAT POND IS FULL DURING A STORM, ALL THAT WATER HAS TO GO FROM THE HIGHWAY TO GO TO THE MARSH. WHEN YOU GO TO THE SHOP CURVE ON STOKES LANDING, THE DITCHES CANNOT TAKE IT NOW UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS.
PUT A TROPICAL DEPRESSION HURRICANE AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO WAY POSSIBLE THAT IT WILL WORK. I'VE SEEN STOKES ROAD WITH 2 OR 3 INCHES OF WATER.
MY PARENTS LIVE ON THE CORNER OF, WHAT IS IT? WATER WOULD AND I'VE SEEN THAT JUST LIKE MR. NEWTON SAYS, YOU CANNOT TELL WHERE THE DITCHES ARE WITH WATER ON THE ROAD PRETTY CANNOT TELL WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO TURN IN YOUR DRIVEWAY.
IT DOESN'T WORK ALREADY. >> THANK YOU, YES MA'AM?AME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
>> HI THERE GOOD MORNING I'M HEATHER -- THE 1ST THING I LIKE TO ASK IS, FOR SOME ACCOMMODATION OF TIME. I HAVE A TERRIBLE CAR WRECK QUITE A WHILE BACK WHICH MEANS THAT MY BRAIN DID NOT WORK FOR 2 YEARS AND WORKS SLOWLY NOW. WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE IF HE
WENT A LITTLE SLOWLY AND HELP ME CATCH UP? >> SURE.
>> OKAY I APPRECIATE THAT. >> I HAVE LIVED 25 YEARS OFF OF STOKES LANDING ROAD AND PRIOR TO THAT, A NUMBER OF YEARS WE OWNED A RESTAURANT ON THE BEACH.
AND WHEN WE OWNED THAT WE HAD REGGAE SUNDAYS. WE WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL EVERYONE KNOWS THE COUNTY STARTED PIGGYBACKING ON THAT. AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD STARTED TO BUILD UP. AND I REALIZE THOSE WERE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS THEN YOU ARE HERE. HOWEVER, THE COMMISSIONERS VOTED ALONG WITH THE NEW RESIDENTS WHO JUST MOVED IN, AND MADE US STOP REGGAE SUNDAYS.
AND IS THIS GENTLEMAN JUST SAID RIGHT HERE, YOU KNEW WHERE YOU WERE MOVING.
WHY ARE WE PAYING THE PRICE? WHY ARE WE HAVING TO ADJUST OUR LIFESTYLE AND LOSE OUR LIFESTYLE? NOW WE ARE OVER ON STOKES LANDING ROAD AND AS YOU ALSO SAID AND MR. NEWTON AND MY NEIGHBORS NO, WE ARE EXPECTED TO LIVE THERE FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES WITH ABOUT 100 MORE HOUSES THERE. AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WITH THE AVAILABLE LAND THAT IS ZONED OPEN WORLD, AND SHOULD STAY OPEN WORLD, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 3 JUNE 20 HERE, WE HAVE 240 ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S COMMERCIAL ON THIS SIDE, COMMERCIAL ON THIS SIDE. EVERYBODY HERE OWNS A MORE RENTAL HOME, DOES IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO LIVE THERE. THEY LOVE THE AREA, THEY LOVE MAY BE DOWNTOWN.
THEY LOVE THE PEOPLE WALKING BY. BUT THOSE OF US THAT I SEE REPRESENTED BY ALL OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT, LIVE IN THE COUNTRY FOR A REASON. THE REASON IS QUIET, SOLITUDE, INDIVIDUALITY, -- WHEN THEY WERE ABLE TO COME IN EVERY TIME THEY CUT A SWATH FOR NEW HOUSES IN CIRCLES OR WHATEVER, I WORKED AT PALENCIA, IT IS A LOVELY PLACE. ALL THE CREATURES COME INTO MY YARD. THE BOBCAT, THE SNAKES. SOME HORRIFYING SNAKES! AND THE GATORS THAT ARE LARGER THAN THE GATORS HERE AT THE SANCTUARY IN TOWN.
LARGER! THERE IS NO PLAN FOR WHERE THEY WILL GO.
THERE IS NO PLAN IF YOU ALLOW THIS 320, WHICH ARE REELS APPARENTLY WILL BE DOWN TO 286 UNITS. THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING BEHIND THE DOLLAR GENERAL.
THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE AREA CAN SUPPORT THAT IN ANY MANNER. ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE WAY THEY ARE DOING A HUGE DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE AND ANOTHER ONE DOWN THE ROAD AND ON AND ON.
AND YOU ALL KNOW THIS, THEY ARE 2 ROADS, I MOVED 30 YEARS AGO THERE WERE 2 ROADS COME ANOTHER 2 ROADS YOU KNOW, 2 LANES. WE'LL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS. I LIKE THE COMMISSION TO
UNDERSTAND. >> 3 MINUTES, IF YOU COULD FINISH UP.
WE ARE 3 MINUTES PER SPEAKER. >> I UNDERSTAND I ALSO HAVE BRAIN DAMAGE FROM A CAR WRECK THAT WAS CAUSED BY THE FACT THAT THERE WAS SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT ANY STOPLIGHTS, I WAS HIT. SO TRYING TO BE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE IF YOU DON'T MIND.
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>> THAT'S FINE, YOU CAN GO AHEAD. >> I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH, I DO. ACTUALLY I'M ASKING 2 THINGS. I'M ASKING AND WHEN THAT WAS IN THE AREA AND IS LISTENING, IT IS MY OPINION ABOUT WHAT WE ALL GET TOGETHER? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY AND THE BUILDERS WHO ARE COMING IN WITH ALL THE MONEY AND THE ONES WHERE WE ARE ARE FROM OUT OF STATE AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
THEY ARE NOT YOUR CONSTITUENTS, WE ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS, THE PEOPLE SITTING HERE THAT TOOK TIME TO COME ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS. AND WE ARE ASKING YOU TO REPRESENT US AND NOT REPRESENT PEOPLE FROM NEW YORK, NOTHING AGAINST NEW YORK.
BUT WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING TAXES AND LIVING HERE FOR DECADES.
WE WOULD LIKE SOME THERE AND WE CAN GO INTO SPECIFICS JUST LIKE THE OTHER TWIN CREEKS OR WHATEVER IT IS CALLED ABOUT THE ROAD, THE WATER, THE SAFETY, THE LIGHTS.
AND YOU ALL KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU DEAL WITH THIS EVERY DAY. WE DON'T.
WE GET A VERY SMALL FORUM AFTER MINUTES, COUNTY AND THE BUILDER GETS YEARS TO INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE. AND TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION AND IN THE RESIDENCE COME AND GET 3 MINUTES AND THANK YOU FOR THAT, I DON'T SEE HOW IT IS EVEN REMOTELY A FAIR BALANCE OF REPRESENTATION.
AND I WOULD ASK THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE COUNTY AND HAVE COME TODAY AND IN MANY OTHER DAYS, SLOW DOWN. SLOW DOWN. THAT WE ALL GET TOGETHER.
YOU KNOW WE ARE ALL INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, WE FORM A COALITION, YOU KNOW THE COUNTY AND WHATEVER THE BUILDERS. THAT THEY COME HERE WITH POWERPOINT WHICH IS LOVELY.
BUT IT IS NOT OUR JOB. WE HAVE OTHER JOBS. SO YOU HAVE SUCH AN ADVANTAGE OVER THE LOCAL RESIDENTS AND THE AMOUNT OF IMPACT YOU HAVE IN OUR DAILY LIVES.
WITH THE NOISE AND THE TRAFFIC AND THERE IS SOMEONE KILLED THERE RECENTLY ON THE CORNER WHICH WE ARE DISCUSSING. HAD A CAR WRECK CAUSED BY THAT YOU ALL DID NOT PUT IN A STOPLIGHT AFTER THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF HOUSES BUILT IN A CERTAIN AREA. I LOST MY JOB, I LOST MY KID, IT IS VERY PERSONAL. SO I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR US.
I'VE LIVED HERE LIKE I SAID MORE THAN 30 YEARS. BUT WE ARE HERE FOR A REASON, WE CHOOSE TO LIVE HERE FOR THE REASON. YOU DON'T WANT THIS BY YOUR HOUSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE]
>> WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE OTHER PEOPLE WAITING FOR OTHER AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER. IS THERE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> I AM GEORGE, 460 MCLEOD ROAD. THIS IS A SORRY REPRESENTATION OF THE PROPERTY. [INAUDIBLE] THAT RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY DEATHS HAVE HAPPENED ON STOKES LANDING ROAD AND ON WHITE CASTLE ROAD. I KNOW IT'S GOT TO BE OVER 15. I BOUGHT MY 1ST PIECE OF PROPERTY AND WHITE CASTLE FARMS BACK IN 1971. I MOVED THERE AND I BOUGHT ANOTHER PIECE AND LIVED THERE IN 74. WHEN YOU TURN ON TO WHITE CASTLE ROAD, IS MORE THAN A 90 DEGREES TURN. YOU ALMOST HAVE TO COME TO A COMPLETE TURN ON US WANT TO COME INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO A LOT OF US USE THROUGH STOKES LANDING ROAD FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND OVER HERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT AND THE LADY OVER HERE TALKING ABOUT, I SEE PALENCIA GOING DOWN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD UNTIL I GET TO THE VERY BACK OF IT. THANK THE LORD OF GOD 87 ACRES A COUPLE BLOCKS AWAY FROM ME DESIGNED BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS THAT SEPARATES ALL THE MADNESS. BUT IF YOU GO TO THE END OF MY ROAD, YOU'RE WITHIN 150 FEET OF, YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE HOUSES IN PALENCIA. PEOPLE ARE COMPELLING ABOUT WAS GOING TO MY NEIGHBOR THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED. AND NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE MORE PROBLEMS IN THAT PART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AS FAR AS THAT LADY IS TALKING ABOUT THE WILDLIFE, THERE IS WILDLIFE. ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD AND LOOK AT ALL THE DEAD ONES ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
NOT ONLY THAT, THERE IS TURTLES THERE IS WILDLIFE IN THE AREA. MONKEYS TOO! IN FACT I'VE GOT MONKEYS THAT NO ONE SEEMS TO CARE ABOUT. AND AS FAR AS THE RUNOFF, IT GOES STRAIGHT -- I'M WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ON THE RUNOFF COMING
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FROM THE APARTMENTS. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT PASSED.AND ONCE AGAIN, I STILL DON'T THINK I KNOW FOR A FACT, I'VE DRILLED WELLS ON THE LEFT IS ALL OF EVER DONE. FROM DAYTONA TO GEORGIA, TO BAKER COUNTY.
WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF WATER. OKAY? CAN ANYBODY UNDERSTAND ME? WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF WATER. YOU ALL TALK ABOUT BEING STEWARDS OF THE WATER.
THEY SAY WE ARE CONCERNED, ABOUT THE WATER. I DON'T SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. OUR WATER IS GOING DOWN. IT IS NOT COMING UP.
GOD BLESS. HOPE THERE IS NO MORE. IF THEY ARE, THE BLOOD IS ON
YOUR HANDS. [APPLAUSE] >> MY NAME IS KELLY BROWN, I LIVE ON -- 7040, I'VE LIVED, BORN AND RAISED IN FLORIDA DIFFERENT PARTS OF FLORIDA ALL MY LIFE.
COMING TO THE BEACH AS A KID, RUMOR DRIVING DOWN US1 AND THE ONLY THING THERE WAS A DAVID JOHNSON'S UNTIL YOU GOT TO SAINT AUGUSTINE. AND I THOUGHT, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE PROPERTY HERE. AND IT WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO GET HERE.
AND MY HUSBAND AND I FINALLY PURCHASED SOME PROPERTY HERE. AND THERE WAS A TRAILER AND WE REPLACED THE TRAILER WITH THE HOME. AND WE TOOK DOWN ONE TRAY.
THE ENTIRE FRONT OF OUR LOT HAS NOT CHANGED. IT IS ALL TREES.
WHEN WE 1ST LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY, I REMEMBER BEING THERE AT MIDNIGHT AND LOOKING UP AT THE STARS LIKE MAN, THIS IS LIKE WHEN I WAS A KID OUT AT THE BEACH.
JUST BLACK SKY, STARS. NOW, 2 YEARS LATER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, I TAKE MY DOGS OUT, I LOOK UP AND THE SKY IS NOT BLACK ANYMORE. WE'VE GOT -- I SPENT SOME TIME IN CALIFORNIA SO YOU TALK ABOUT WATER. WE NEED WATER TO LIVE.
IF ANYONE HAS BEEN TO CALIFORNIA, IT'S A NIGHTMARE THERE.
ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE. AND WITH ALL THE PEOPLE RUSHING TO MOVE TO FLORIDA TAKING AWAY OUR WATER BECAUSE WE ARE BUILDING THESE INSANE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS AREA BETWEEN STOKES LANDING AND WHITE CASTLE, THE HOMES AND THE PROPERTIES THEY ARE, I DON'T KNOW MAYBE 1 ACRE LOTS? AND SO EVERYONE HAS GOT PROPERTY. AND THE OTHER FELLOW THAT MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT NOT HAVING A
TRAILER. >> MADAM, PLEASE JUST THE BOARD.
>> -- ANTIC WAITING AT ALL OF THESE HOMES IN A TINY LITTLE AREA WHERE WE HAVE GOT ONE HOME ON ACRES. THAT DOESN'T FIT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T FIT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, IT IS PRETTY EXCITING AT NIGHT TRYING TO TURN ON TO WHITE CASTLE WHEN YOU'VE GOT BIG VEHICLES COMING BEHIND YOU REAL QUICK. TRYING TO MAKE THAT MORE THAN 90 DEGREES TURN FOR STOKES LANDING THESE ARE ALL REAL CONCERNS BECAUSE WE LIVE HERE IT IS THE DEVELOPERS THAT DO NOT LIVE HERE ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS THEIR POCKETBOOK.
THAT'S IT. THIS IS WHERE VE. AND WE NEED Y'ALL TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHERE YOU LIVE AND HOW IT IMPACTS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT IS REALLY IMPACTING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU MA'AM. [APPLAUSE] >> YES, SIR?
>> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN. I'M HONORED TO SPEAK TO YOU. I MOVED DOWN HERE -- MICROPHONE] I HAVE 2 WELLS ON MY PROPERTY. THE REASON IS ONE IS DRY.
IT NEVER DAWNED ON ME UNTIL THE GENTLEMAN IS TALKING ABOUT THE WATER.
I MOVED OUT OF NEW YORK BECAUSE I SEEN WHAT THIS KIND OF BUILDING WILL DO IN 5 YEARS TIME. YOU'RE GOING TO REALLY REGRET THE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE ON
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PASSING THIS. WE MOVED OUT OF NEW YORK AND WE WANTED SOME LAND AND THE RESIDENTIAL SECTIONS LIKE HEAVEN. AND THE WATER ASIDE IS JUST, THE MONEY THAT WILL HAVE TO BE SPENT TO ACCOMMODATE THIS, THE TAX WILL NOT COMPENSATE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO LOSE AND HARDSHIP THAT THE OTHER PEOPLE WILL RUN INTO AS I DID YOU KNOW WITH ONE DRY WELL AND HAVING TO DRILL ANOTHER. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME PEOPLEAND I HOPE -- >> SIR, BEFORE YOU GO. I THINK WE MISSED YOUR NAME AND
ADDRESS. >> KEN CARTER, 7020 -- >> THANK YOU, SIR.
[APPLAUSE] >> DWIGHT MILLER, 1107 -- SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH.
I CAME TODAY AS AN OBSERVER. BUT I'VE LISTENED TO A NUMBER OF THINGS SO FAR AND I WAS ESPECIALLY TOUCHED AS I'M SURE YOU ALL WERE WITH THE WOMAN WHO WAS UP HERE EARLIER HE NEEDED THE EXTRA TIME. EITHER LISTEN TO THIS ABOUT WATER AND POLLUTION AND NOW I KNOW FROM OTHER THINGS I'M INVOLVED WITH THAT THIS PROJECT IS NOT NECESSARILY THERE BUT NEEDED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. AS I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING.
WE NEED THAT BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT WHICH HAS RAISED THE PRICES YOU KNOW PRICE FOR THE HOUSING AND I THINK 400,000. SO THAT IS NEEDED, BUT HERE IT IS IN A SPOT WHICH SOUNDS LIKE IT IS, I MEAN TO ME, A LAYMAN, A BAD SPOT.
I AGREE WITH WHAT SHE PROPOSED. IT SOUNDS SOMEWHAT, DIFFICULT TO ORGANIZE.
BUT IT JUST SEEMS PERHAPS YOU WOULD HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS BUT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED SOME BENEFIT PLAN GOING FORWARD FOR ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT SO THAT THE HOUSING THAT IS NEEDED IS BUILT. YOU KNOW, WE NEED IT FOR TRANSIENT HOMELESS WHICH WOULD BE HIS BECAUSE THAT PROBABLY BUT WHERE WILL THAT GO? ANYTIME I COME TO THE MEETING THERE'S MORE AND MORE GOING ON. I LY THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE AN OVERALL PLAN BECAUSE THE ISSUES PEOPLE HAVE RAISED ABOUT WATER AND POLLUTION, THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY, THEY MAKE IT WORSE. AND THEN EVERYTHING GETS UP IN SMOKE.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. >> THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE] >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONS PER KEN MCLEAN PO BOX 912 -- 1ST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE JOB YOU'RE DOING.
ESPECIALLY WITH THE VA HOSPITAL. I'M A VETERAN AND IT WAS NEEDED HERE. I HAD MY ARM BROKE ONE TIME AND HAD TO TRAVEL TO JACKSONVILLE TO GET AN X-RAY. I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON THAT. IT'S AN OUTSTANDING FACILITY AND I THINK THE VETERANS DESERVE IT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, ALSO THE VETERANS WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMELESS VETERANS OUT THERE. AND THAT IS MY CONCERN.
HOMELESS VETERANS AND THE HOMELESS PEOPLE OUT THERE. BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A VOICE, THEY DON'T COME UP HERE. BUT THEY ARE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS, THE COUNTY -- LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENTS, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OVER LARGE AREAS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THE CONSTITUENTS ARE TALKING ABOUT. THIS LEAPFROG. THERE IS A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY BUT THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
BECAUSE YOU JUST KEEP BUILDING MORE WE ARE MORE HOMELESS PEOPLE, MORE DISABLED VETERANS HOMELESS. SO WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND LISTEN TO THE CONSTITUENTS AND POSSIBLY HAVE WORKSHOPS SO YOU CAN SIT DOWN AND GET SOME IMPACT FROM THEM.
BECAUSE THEY LIVE HERE. THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE WHERE THEY LIVE BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN TRYING TO MAKE MONEY. THE INFRASTRUCTURES DEFINITELY NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF PRIOR TO MY DEVELOPMENT. SO WE HAD TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. YOU GUYS ARE THE 5 HEARTBEATS
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OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. WE COME TO YOU GUYS FOR DIRECTION AND FOR UNDERSTANDING. WE OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, I MET YOU AT THE SYNOPSIS. AND I'VE SINCE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO YOU. I LIKE TO HAVE A MEETING WITH YOU.
I'M A REPRESENTATIVE WHO CARES, COMMUNITY ADVOCATE FOR EQUALITY.
THAT BEING SAID, COMMISSIONERS, CONTINUE TO DO THE JOB THAT YOU'RE DOING.
BUT PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. THANK YOU AND HAVE A BLESSED
DAY. >> THANK YOU. >> I WILL BREAK PROTOCOL FOR MOM AND I WILL COME BACK AND 1ST OF ALL, I SERVED SO I APPRECIATE IT.
IT'S AMERICA'S 1ST TEAM. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOPS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SCHEDULED. WE'LL HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT LATER.E ARE DOING THAT NEXT MONTH SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT. WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. WE ARE NOT BUILDING HOUSES AND BEGGING PEOPLE TO COME, THEIR WAITING LIST FOR PEOPLE TO COME HERE.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MOVE TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. SO THIS BOARD IS NOT GOING OUT JUST DRAWING UP HOUSES AND BEGGING PEOPLE TO COME, PEOPLE WANT TO COME HERE AND INCREASED DEMANDS ON US.
WE DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO ADDRESS THOSE DEMANDS. >> BUT DON'T LET THE DEMANDS
SUPERSEDE THE PEOPLE. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S WHY WE ARE HEARING THESE ISSUES BUT WE TAKE ALL OF THIS VERY SERIOUSLY AS A BOARD. AND WE WORK HARD TO ADDRESS THAT. WILL CONTINUE WORK HARD TO JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR WE ARE NOT THROWING UP HOUSES AND BEGGING PEOPLE TO COME HERE.
PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE FOR THEIR WAITING LISTS FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE HERE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING IS IMPORTANT. WE'VE A LOT OF POOR PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WANT TO ADDRESS THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CLEAR THAT YOU AND I MET PERSONALLY AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.AS A VETERAN WILL
TAKE CARE OF OUR VETERANS. I APPRECIATE IT, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR?
NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> PETER -- 7020 -- I LIVE HERE 8 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR I'M OUT OF UPSTATE NEW YORK. SAINT AUGUSTINE IS A BEAUTIFUL AREA.
LOW INCOME WE HAVE IN UPSTATE NEW YORK IN 5 YEARS OR MORE, YOU'RE GOING TO REGRET SAINT AUGUSTINE IT WILL NOT BE HISTORICAL LIKE IT IS NOW. YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT TAKING THE LOW INCOME, PUTTING IT SOMEPLACE ELSE WHERE IT BELONGS, NOT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
>> THANK YOU. >> FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS 3 AND 4? ITEMS 3 AND 4, PUBLIC COMMENT. YES MA'AM. IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE IN THE HONORS THAT WISH TO SPEAK PLEASE COME UP AND APPROACHED THE PODIUM WHILE WE HEAR FROM
THIS LADY. YES MA'AM? >> HELLO, MY NAME IS LORI LYNN I LIVE ON SHERRY LANE. OFF OF STOKES LANDING ROAD. I BELIEVE THE ISSUE IS NOT SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE HUMAN BEINGS HAVE TO BE PROGRESSIVE AND WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.
IT IS HOW IT IS BEING DONE. AND SEEING THE PRESENTATION ON THE CONSTITUTION THIS MORNING, I'M REMINDED THAT WHEN WE BRING, WE ARE SUCH A DIVERSE NATION, COME FROM SO MANY BACKGROUNDS, WE BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND I BELIEVE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR DECISIONS SHOULD BE THE DIVERSITY OF THIS NATION AND THE FACT THAT WE ALL HAVE RIGHTS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. AND WHEN YOU BRING DIFFERENT GROUPS TOGETHER AND YOU ARE DECIDING ON THE LIFESTYLES OF COMING TOGETHER, YOU NEED TO BE AWARE THAT WHEN YOU ALLOW THESE THINGS TO BE PUT INTO LAW AND TO BE OKAY AND APPROVED, YOU'RE BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER WITH RIGHTS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION BUT WITH DIFFERENT WAYS OF LIFE.
THAT'S WHY ASK THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS WHEN IT'S NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, SOME PEOPLES LIVES GET SERIOUSLY ALTERED IN OTHER PEOPLE 'S LIVES GO FORWARD IN THE WAY THEY WANT TO PROCEED.
SO THAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE OF WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT VIEWS OF LIFE AND WAYS OF LIFE. AND IT'S NOT JUST PRECEDENTS, WE DO HAVE TO WELCOME PEOPLE INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND -- REALIZE WHAT YOU'RE POINTING TOGETHER AND WHAT RIGHTS ARE
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GIVING THEM UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE TOGETHER. AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT TO DO. I ASKED THAT THERE BE PART OF YOUR CONSIDERATION.>> THANK YOU. >> AND Q. [APPLAUSE] >> YES MA'AM?
>> EXCUSE ME. GOOD MORNING, -- 1821 CASTEEL STREET MENENDEZ PARK.
IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT WE SUPPORT OUR WORKFORCE PERSONNEL SO THEY SHOULD BE A PRIORITY. WHEN BROUGHTIN THE HOMES OF SOME PART OF THEIR BELT WITH SAFETY IN MIND , IN AREAS WHERE THEY TRAVEL SAFELY TO WORK, TAKE THE CHILDREN TO SCHOOL AND TO KNOW THEY CAN TRAVEL IN THEIR VEHICLE SAFELY. STOKES LANDING TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT PROVIDE THAT TO OUR HARD-WORKING CITIZENS FOR 6600 US 1 IS NOT THE RIGHT PIECE OF LAND, IT IS IN THE WRONG LOCATION TO BUILD WORKFORCE HOUSING.
THIS AREA IS HIGH-VOLUME, HIGH-SPEED HIGHWAY PROPERTY. WITH THOUSANDS OF TRAVELERS TRAFFIC VOLUME HAS ALMOST REACHED CAPACITY ON US1. AT THE INTERSECTION OF STOKES LANDING AND US1, THERE HAVE BEEN 13 DEATHS, MANY INJURIES AND OVER 56 VEHICLE CRASHES IN THE PAST 9 YEARS. TRAVELING FROM THE NORTH WILL BE THE SAFEST FOR THESE PEOPLE.
OU WILL BE PROVIDED WITH A RIGHT IN AND WHEN LEAVING HAVE A RIGHT OUT TO CHILDCARE DRIVERS WANT TO TRAVEL SOUTH ON US 1 WILL NEED TO EXIT THE NORTH, MOVED TO THE LEFT LANE, THEN MOVE ON TO THE LEFT TURNING LANE AND MAKE A U-TURN TO NOW TRAVEL IN THE SOUTHBOUND ON US1. SOME STOKES LANDING DRIVERS WILL BE VYING FOR THE SAME POSITION TO TRAVEL SOUTH ON US1. WHILE DRIVERS ALREADY TRAVELING SOUTH ON US 1 WILL HAVE TO MAKE ROOM FOR THESE ONCOMING SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC.
IT SURELY IS A RECIPE FOR DANGER. IF YOU'RE TRAVELING SOUTH ON US1 AND WANT TO TURN INTO THE TOWNHOMES, WILL NEED TO DRIVE PAST THE DEVELOPMENT AND MAKE A U-TURN AT THE INTERSECTION OF RONALD ROAD, THEN TRAVEL BACK NORTH TO THE ENTRANCE, ALL OF THIS IS MUCH MANEUVERING GOING ON. ALTHOUGH PLANS HAVE BEEN DRAWN CONSIDERING SOMETHING LIKE WHAT IS BEING USED AT THE CORNER OF OCEAN BOULEVARD BY CIRCLE K, AND THE POSSIBILITY OF DISALLOWING A LEFT-HAND TURN FROM STOKES LANDING ROAD.
EXTRA TRAFFIC ALLOWED BY THE 320 TOWNHOUSES, 740 VEHICLES VYING FOR THE SAME POSITIONS OF THE RESIDENCE THAT EAST STOKES LANDING ROADS AS THEIR INGRESS ALONG WITH THOUSANDS OF DRIVERS THAT TRAVEL ON US1, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE TO DENY ZONING G FOR DEVELOPMENT. WITH OVER 600 RESIDENTS THAT ENJOY COUNTRY LIVING, MOST HAVING 1 ACRE, MANY HAVING MORE, BUT NO LESS THAN 22.22 ACRES.
THE TOWNHOMES ARE DESIGNED AS A HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPER NOT COMPATIBLE WITH ANY LAND TO THE EAST. A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT AND REDUCE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE ARE ANOTHER FOR DENIAL THE ADJACENT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES DO NOT HAVE THIS HIGH DENSITY. THIS WILL JUST BRING IN MORE TRAFFIC.
THIS DEVELOPMENT IS INCOMPATIBLE AND WILL HAVE UNDER PHYSICAL AND ADVERSE IMPACT ON IMPACTING DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA AND POSE UNACCEPTABLE RISK TO THE ENVIRONMENT OR INFRASTRUCTURE HIGHWAY US1 AND MOST IMPORTANT, HUMAN LIFE.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MA'AM. [APPLAUSE]
>> HELLO -- I1ST OF ALL I WANT TO SIT THANK YOU FOR YOU GUYS DOING WONDERFUL JOB.
AS A NEW RESIDENT, I SEE THE DEVELOPMENT GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND OF COURSE, A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING IN FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
TO WANT TO LIVE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THAT IS FOR YOU GUYS.
NOW I JUST WANT TO SAY, IT IS NOT 1 ACRE PLUS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
PLEASE, DO NOT TOUCH THEM BECAUSE THAT IS THE BEST WHAT WE HAVE IS THE, ONLY A FEW LEFT AND THAT DEVELOPMENT GOES EVERYWHERE. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ON US1.
LIKE PEOPLE SAY, TRAFFIC WILL BE HORRENDOUS. AND WE JUST DON'T NEED THEM OVER HERE. ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS ENOUGH PROPERTY TO MOVE THAT SOMEWHERE DIFFERENT LOCATION. WILL WE HAVE THE BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY WHICH WE LOVE IT.
THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> OKAY, FOR THE PUBLIC, THEN
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DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION A SEPTEMBER 15, 2021 WHERE I GOT THIS MAP, THE TRAFFIC STUDY DID NOT LET ME REPEAT, DID NOT, SUPPORT A LEFT DIRECTIONAL MEDIAN OPENING TO PERMIT TURNING LEFT INTO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS NO WAY TO TURN IN HERE. JULY 2021 SITE PLAN ONLY SHOWS A RIGHT IN AND A RIGHT OUT.
FOR 640 VEHICLES FOR THE 320 TOWNHOUSES. FDOT IS NOT ALLOWING LEFT TURN.
IN THE PACKET THAT YOU HAVE, WHICH HAS BEEN GIVEN TO YOU OVER AND OVER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, IT SAYS FDOT IS ALLOWING A LEFT IN, THAT IS NOT TRUE.
THEY MAY BE WORKING ON IT AS FAR AS I KNOW AS OF SEPTEMBER THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. THE STUDY DOES NOT SHOW. THERE WILL BE A US1 AND STOKES LANDING ROAD U-TURN PAD, THAT IS WRITTEN IN THEIR INFORMATION, IF THIS WILL BE A STOKES LANDING, -- THE OTHER PICTURE WAS GOOD. THEN AGAIN, STOKES LANDING, IF PUT OVER HERE, THEY SHOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH THESE HOMEOWNERS ARE HERE NOW TO TURN LEFT TO GO SELL AND TO TURN RIGHT TO GO NORTH. THAT'S NOT TO TURN THEM ANYWAY FROM WHAT THEY CAN DO NOW WITH HIS DEVELOPMENT IF GOING AT STOKES LANDING.
>> PLEASE PUT IT UP HERE. >> TAKE MY TIME AWAY. >> I'M SORRY.
KEEP GOING. >> WHICH PICTURE? >> THIS 1.
>> THIS 1? OKAY. THIS IS STOKES LANDING.
YOU'RE COMING OUT AND THEY ALLOWED TO GO SOUTH. IF THERE IS A PAD, WHICH WAS EXPLAINED TO ME, AS BEST I COULD UNDERSTAND IT. AND THE PICTURES THE OTHER PERSON SURE, THERE GOES MY TIME. NO NOT BE ABLE TO TURN GOING
SOUTH AT STOKES. >> THANK YOU. >> I NEED ANOTHER MINUTE.
IT SHOULD CONTINUE TO PREVENT VEHICLES FROM HIS LONG-ESTABLISHED NEIGHBOR TO EXIT STOKES LANDING ROAD AND TURN LEFT AT SOUTH ON THE US1 AS A DONE FOR MANY YEARS.
WITH CONDITIONS ALONG THE EAST PROPERTY LINE DOES NOT JUSTIFY INCREASING THE DENSITY FROM 286 TO 320 TOWNHOUSES IS A TWO-STORY WORKHOUSE HOUSING NEXT TO RIGHT-OF-WAY TURNING WHICH WOULD BE THESE DOWN HERE WITH THE NOISE. RIGHT-OF-WAY BUFFER ON THE WEST PROPERTY LINE NEXT TO US1 HIGHWAY. THIS DOES NOT MEET THE COUNTY GOAL FOR WORLD-CLASS LIVING. I NEED MORE THAN 3 SECONDS. THIS REZONING, AND I'LL FINISH UP. THIS REZONING REQUEST SHOULD BE DENIED.
>> KEEP GOING. >> THIS SHOULD BE DENIED. A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE KEEPING EXISTING ZONING IS THAT THE REZONING PRODUCES A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT UPON PROPERTY VALUES OF NEARBY PROPERTIES, CHRIS TRACKED RICK SAFETY CONCERNS AND SINCE THERE IS NO ACCESS HEADING SOUTH ON US 1 AND DISTRACTION CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE LONG-ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS SHOULD BE VERY SERIOUSLY LOOKED AT TODAY AND IT SHOULD NOT BE A 3 Ã2 VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I APPRECIATE SPEAKING AND I TRULY
APPRECIATE THE RESIDENTS IN THIS COUNTY. >> THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE] ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS 3 AND 4?
I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU.
WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. [INAUDIBLE] >> YES.
SORRY. >> THANK YOU TO THE PUBLIC FOR ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS.
IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THOSE I WANT TO 1ST START OUT BY SAYING BY DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARCEL
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NUMBER 4 VERY UNSIGHTLY BUILT -- WERE REMOVED THEY WERE NOT PUT THEIR WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE OWNER WE HAD THEM REMOVED DURING OUR DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS.ALONG US1, ALONG US1 WE HAVE A 30 FOOT BUFFER THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A PLANTED BERM WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE LINDA VELTMAN CODE. SO THAT HELPS WITH THE VISUAL COMING ALONG THE ROAD. IT IS A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ON US1.
WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN ACCESS POINT ONTO STOKES LANDING ROAD.
BUT WE DO NOT WANT TO PUT THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THERE THAT COULD BE A HINDRANCE TO THE RESIDENCE SO WE DID REMOVE THAT. WE JUST HAVE THE SINGLE ENTRANCE. AS HE NOTICED THE STORM WATER POND IS EXTREMELY LARGE.
IN CONSIDERATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT IS BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE READY WHEN THE COUNTY MODEL FOR STORMWATER WHICH IS MUCH MORE EXCESSIVE AND IT DOES MEET WITH THE COUNTY STORMWATER MODELS. WE HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE WATER FROM NEARBY WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AGAIN, THERE'S A FLOOD WHERE WE HAVE ATTACHED, WE WILL NOT BE TOUCHING ANYTHING ON THE FAR RIGHT-HAND SIDE.LL THE TREES WILL REMAIN.
EVERYTHING WILL STAY EXACTLY AS IS. WE ARE GIVEN COMPATIBILITY BUFFERS FROM EVERYONE. 35 FEET TO THE EAST, THAT IS 15 FEET IN EXCESS, THERE IS A 30 FOOT ALONG US1. WE HAVE 20 FOOT TO THE SOUTH WHERE THE TENANT HAS OUTDOOR STORAGE. WE PROVIDED BUFFERS TO TRY NOT TO BE, WILL HAVE A 35 HEIGHT LIMIT SO THE PERSON TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY 4 STORIES LOOKING OVER INTO PEOPLES YARDS, THAT IS THE EXACT REASON THAT -- OWNS SUCH A LONG PIECE TO THE EAST THAT WE MAINTAIN THAT A 35 FEET WITH NO DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT IS VERY OLD ROAD, WOULD HAVE A 35 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT AND ONLY 2 STORIES, SO WE WILL NOT BE HINDRANCE OR NO ONE FROM OUR PROJECT WILL BE LOOKING AT OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY. WHERE THEY HAVE ONE AND 2 ACRE SITES. THE US1 CURRENTLY HAS CAPACITY SO THEIR PROPORTIONATE SHARE THAT WE ARE PAYING IS FOR INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. THERE IS CURRENT CAPACITY ON US1 FOR THIS PROJECT. SO THAT WE ARE NOT, WE ARE CONTRIBUTING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, BUT IT DOES MEET WITH THE COUNTY MODEL. AND WERE NOT PAYING ANY ADDITIONAL FOR THAT, THERE IS CAPACITY AT THIS TIME. AND WHERE MIXED USE, WANT TO RUN YOU WE ARE CURRENTLY MIXED USE, COUNTY PUT MIXED-USE ALONG US1 AND SO, IF WE WERE TO DO COMMERCIAL HERE WE WOULD BE ALLOWED UP TO 429,000 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THAT 320 IS A MUCH BETTER, LOWER TRAFFIC GENERATOR AND MUCH BETTER OPTION AND JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SERVE THIS COMMUNITY.
THIS IS FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS, THE TEACHERS, THIS IS FOR THE WORKER, SECURITY GUARD, COUNTY EMPLOYEES. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT THAT IN THEIR AREA BUT THEY DESERVE TO LIVE SOMEWHERE. THEY DESERVE TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY THEY SERVE.
WE TRUST OUR LIVES TO THEM, WE TRUST OUR EDUCATION TO THEM. AND SO WE NEED TO STEP FORWARD AND DO SOMETHING TO HELP SERVE THEM. THANK YOU.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?
COMMISSIONER. >> EVER QUESTION FOR OCA WHAT IS A CURRENT ENTITLEMENT TO THE
PROPERTY AS YOU SIT HERE TODAY? >> COMMISSIONER, IT IS OWNED WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THE UNIT
COUNT IS 286. >> TODAY'S REQUEST IS FROM A DECISION MADE BY THE BOARD ON MAY 4 THAT 286, -- MY QUESTION, WHAT HAPPENS ON MAY 4, THIS WAS APPROVED AT 286 WITH A PRICE POINT FOR 40 PERCENT AT 210,000? WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT TODAY?
WHAT APPROVAL OF THIS GO TO 240? >> I DON'T THINK THE APPROVAL OF THIS WOULD AFFECT THEIR ABILITY TO GO TO 240. THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THEM BY
VIRTUE OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE MADE TO THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. >> THAT WILL BE DONE NO MATTER WHAT. ALL RIGHT SO TODAY'S DECISION, THE 1ST 1 WOULD BE IN REGARD TO
GOING WITH 286 TO 320. >> YES. >> THAT WILL BE AN INCREASE OF
11.8 PERCENT, CORRECT? >> YES. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING AS WELL AS FOLKS HERE. VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
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KIND OF HAD A REALLY WEIRD EMAIL CHAIN. FOR MANY GOING TO IDP CAN ANYOF THAT BE USED FOR US1 INTERSECTION? >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS, -- TRANSPORTATION AND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER. CAN IT BE USED AS STOKES
IT WILL BE BASICALLY MORE DIFFICULT TO USE BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT PROCESS THAT DOT REQUIRES US TO GO THROUGH. AND JUST FOR PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, DOT IS MOVING TOWARD U-TURNS.
THAT'S WHY YOU'VE SEEN THERE ON US1, AT EVERY MEETING OPENING DOT HAS EITHER EXTENT, LENGTHEN THE EXISTING LEFT TURN LANES OR PUT A NEW TURN LANES. AFTER THAT THEY WILL LOOK AT EVERY MEETING OPENING AND IN ORDER TO RESTRICT THE LEFT TURN OUT INTO US1.
ONTO US1. THE REASON FOR THAT, THE CONCEPT IS THAT TO REDUCE FATALITY AND SO, IT IS MUCH SAFER TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN AND DO A U-TURN TO GO LEFT.
AND THAT IS THE DOT LOOKING AT THE FUTURE APPROACH JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.
>> WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? IF YOU DON'T MIND ME PUTTING
YOU ON THE SPOT. >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT STOKES LANDING ROAD AND US1, IT IS VERY SMALL COMPACT IS NOWHERE TO STAY. YOU HAVE CARS MAKING A U-TURN IN A CAR COMMUTER STOKES LANDING TRYING TO GO LEFT ALSO. IT WOULD BE A SYSTEM THERE BOGGED UP AND AND JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE. SUCH A SMALL AREA.
THAT'S WHY DOT WILL BASICALLY LOOK AT RESTRICTED LEFT WHICH MEANS THEY WOULD ALLOW THE LEFT TURN TO MAKE U-TURNS BUT NOT LEFT COMING OUT FROM STOKES LANDING.
THE RESIDENCE COMING OUT FROM STOKES LANDING, TO GO TO SAINT AUGUSTINE THEY WOULD HAVE TO
MAKE A RIGHT GO NORTH AND MAKE A U-TURN TO DO THAT. >> I CAN'T IMAGINE DOT WOULD
CLOSE THAT. >> WE DON'T KNOW. AT THIS TIME THEY ARE EVALUATING EDDIE OPENING FOR THE MEDIANS ON STATE FACILITIES AND IS 1 OF THE REASONS FOR EXAMPLE, STATE ROAD 16, DAVE DORN A CORRIDOR STUDY AND 1 OF THE IMPACT FOR EXAMPLE, THE MEETING G OPENING AT AT STRATTON BOULEVARD. MORE THAN LIKELY WILL BE CLOSED I CALL IT THE RESTRICTED, -- RESTRICTED CONTROL U-TURNS. [INAUDIBLE]
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> ANY OF THE COMMENTS? CAN YOU COME BACK UP FOR A MOMENT? MY CONCERN IS THAT VE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY.
>> YES, SIR. >> AND CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE U-TURN.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE SOME UNKNOWNS. DID I JUST HEAR, WRECKED ON YOU SAID -- AS FAR AS THE TURNAROUND IT WILL BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC LEAVING, IT COULD CREATE A LOT OF SAFETY ISSUES. CAN YOU GIVE US A CLEAR ANSWER NOT FROM THE DOT PERSPECTIVE?
>> DEVOTEES PERSPECTIVE THEY LOOK AT EXISTING TRAFFIC. DO THEY NOT LOOK ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC COMING IN. THEY EVALUATE THAT ALMOST EVERY YEAR ON NATURE OPENINGS ALONG STATE ROADS. ONCE THEY CONDUCT THAT, THEY WILL LOOK AT CORRIDOR -- FOR EXAMPLE, ON US1, THEY WOULD LOOK AT ITP DOWN TO THE SPEEDWAY.
THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE BEST SOLUTION TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE TRAFFIC COMING IN THROUGH THE CORRIDOR AND THEY WOULD RESTRICT CERTAIN MOVEMENT. COMING OUT INTO US1.
>> SO YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THE CONCERNS RAISED BY RESIDENTS. DO WE HAVE A CLEAR ANSWER HOW
TO MITIGATE THOSE CONCERNS?>> YES. THE ANSWER IS, WE WILL WORK WITH DOT BECAUSE THE STOKES LANDING IS BASICALLY A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ACCESS.
AND THEN THE IMPACT TO STOKES LANDING IS THAT DOT MAY PROVIDE WHAT WE CALL -- BECAUSE OF THE
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TOOLING WITH APPROXIMATELY 24 FEET AND IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO MAKE A U-TURN. THEY WILL PROBABLY PUT ANOTHER PAVEMENT ON THE WEST SIDE OF US1. RECALL THAT -- IT IS LIKE 1/2 SEMI CIRCLE.SO CARS CAN MAKE A U-TURN AND IF THERE ON COMING, CARS COMING SOUTH, THEY ARE ABLE TO HAVE A
REFUGE AREA BEFORE THEY CONTINUE. >> I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR HERE. WE HAVE WORKED FOR A LONG TIME A WORKFORCE HOUSING.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING PROJECTS TO COME INTO ADDRESS WORKFORCE HOUSING.
WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE TO ADDRESS AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. HOWEVER, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF SAFETY CONCERNS RAISED TODAY. I MY OWN QUESTIONS, MAYBE I'M NOT HEARING YOU BUT I'M NOT GETTING CLEAR ANSWERS. THE ISSUES RAISED TODAY YOU HAVE PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE ALL OF THESE U-TURNS WITH YOU KNOW WE ALL TURN ON US1, IS A HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AREA.
COULD THAT INCREASE POTENTIAL FATALITIES? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT. I HEAR A LOT OF MAYBES. I'M NOT BEATING UP ON YOU BUT WE HEARD A ROOMFUL OF PEOPLE RAISE SAFETY CONCERNS. WE TRY TO BALANCE OUT THE NEED.
MAYBE I NEED TO COLLECT MY THOUGHTS. >> FROM THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST, U-TURNS REDUCES FATALITY. AND THAT STOKES LANDING AND US1, BASED ON A RECORD FOR THE PAST 6 YEARS, WE HAVE 2 FATALITY IN 2019.
>> HOLD ON A 2ND THAT IS NOT WHAT -- LET ME SEE HERE. SHE SAID THERE ARE, 13
FATALITIES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. >> YEAH, WE'VE NOT LOOK BACK I
THINK SHE WENT 9 YEARS WE ARE NOT LOOK BACK AT 9 YEARS. >> IS THAT WE SAID, MS. LONG?
[INAUDIBLE] >> THROUGH LOOK BACK AT THE LAST 6 YEARS, THEN IN 2019 WE HAVE 2 FATALITIES. WHAT TYPICALLY, WE WOULD DO TO ADDRESS THOSE SAFETY CONCERNS, THERE ARE 2 OPTIONS. EITHER A TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO HELP REDUCE THAT.
WERE RESTRICT -- THAT IS TYPICALLY WHAT THEY DID.> WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS?
>> WHAT IS THAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM DOT WAS NOT WARRANTED. THE SIGNAL WAS NOT WARRANTED.
FOR SIGNAL TRAFFIC. >> I THINK DOT NEEDS TO DO A BETTER JOB ANALYZING THIS.
>> YEAH -- [APPLAUSE] WE WILL APPROACH THEM. >> THANK YOU.
I WILL COLLECT MY THOUGHTS. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND TO HAVE A QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR BASED ON OUR MAY MEETING. WE HAD A LITTLE ISSUE WITH THIS.
HE SAID THAT BY RIGHT, YOU COULD BUILD 415 UNITS? >> BASED ON THE DENSITY THAT
THEY ALLOW, YES, SIR. 415. >> BUT TODAY WHAT WE ARE PROVING IF WE APPROVE THIS WOULD BE INCREASE FROM 286 TO 320.
IT WILL BE NO MORE THAN 320. >> NO, 320 IS WHAT WE ARE GOING ON THE RECORD FOR.ND JUST BE CLEAR NEVER WAS MY INTENTION FOR IT TO BE 286. THAT WAS ME JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY ARE AT. I WAS NOT TRYING TO LIMIT IT BUT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. THUS WHILE WE ARE BACK TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR.
THE NUMBERS DON'T WORK AT 286 LAPTOP 320 MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK.
>> I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP FOR ANYBODY WHO LIKE ME AT THE MAY MEETING MAY HAVE HEARD
ONE THING AND UNDERSTOOD ANOTHER. >> IT IS 320.
>> WE ARE SEEKING 320 TODAY. >> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU.
MR. CALDWELL. I'M SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT BUT HAVE A QUESTION.
WHILE HE'S COMING UP I DO WANT TO SAY, HEARING ALL THIS COMMUNITY INPUT TODAY, I ALMOST WISH I'D HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR IT AT THE MAY MEETING. I FOUND IT TO BE INCREDIBLY COMPELLING AND POWERFUL AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. I WANT TO COMMEND THE NEIGHBOR
FOR COMING OUT AND GIVING THE TESTIMONY. >> BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, MA'AM I SEE YOU STANDING THERE. WHAT CAN WE DO FOR YOU?
>> I WANT TO BE CLEAR, OR BOARD RULES ARE THAT EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
YOU HAVE SPOKEN. >> SHE WAS ALLOWED TO REBUT SOMETHING AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REBUT SOME INFORMATION? I'M JUST ASKING.
I'M NOT COMMISSIONER. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY.
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>> THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY AS BOARD MEMBERS FOR US TO ASK OUR QUESTIONS NOW.
>> OKAY. HOW WOULD WE HAVE KNOWN SIR ABOUT THE MAY MEETING, YOU SAID WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO SHOW UP. PHOW WOULD WE KNOW THE ONE THAT
WAS GOING TO HAPPEN? >> I BELIEVE THERE IS PUBLIC NOTICE I HAVE TO CHECK WITH
STAFF. >> DOES THAT MEAN IT WAS IN THE NEWSPAPER AND 1 OF THOSE ORANGE
SIGNS? >> AGAIN, HAVE TO LEARN STAFF FOR EXACTLY THE STEPS BUT YES
MA'AM. >> I APPRECIATE IT. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN SO WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE BEEN THERE AT THAT TIME. BUT THOSE SIGNS WERE NOT PUT UP NOR WAS A NOTIFICATION GIVING TO ANYONE BEYOND 300 FEET OF THE LAND.
WHICH IS LIKE 5 PEOPLE. SO THANK YOU, I DID HAVE QUESTIONS LIKE WHY THIS LADY DID NOT IDENTIFY HERSELF. WHICH GOES TO MY POINT, BUT YOU GUYS ALREADY KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. YOU KNEW WHO SHE WAS AND WE ARE YOUR RESIDENCE.
>> SHE DID IDENTIFIERS UP AND GIVE HER ADDRESS. >> NOT WHEN SHE WALKED UP A
MINUTE AGO. >> YES, SHE FOLLOWED THE RULES. >> THEN I'M WRONG, I DID NOT HEAR THAT AT ALL. THANK YOU.> YOU CAN CONTINUE.
>> I WAS CONCERNED BY SOME OF THE TESTIMONY ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST. AND RELATED TO THE PROJECT BUT 2 OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES ON THE
RADAR? AND PUBLIC WORKS. >> WE DO HAVE CONCERNS THROUGHOUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND I'M SURE OUR ROAD BRIDGE TEAM IS HERE THERE ARE ISSUES OUT THERE, NOTHING JUMPED OUT RIGHT NOW. BUT I CAN CHECK OUT AND LOOK AT
THE RECORDS. >> THANK YOU. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT TO MAKE A FORMAL REQUEST OF SOMEBODY FROM THE TEAM LOOK INTO THIS DRAINAGE ISSUE, THEY EXPRESSED
THAT ON RECORD. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU.
BEFORE GO ANYWHERE, I WILL JUMP IN. >> OKAY SO, I HAVE YOUR
ATTENTION? >> YES. >> THANK YOU.
MR. GEORGE SITTING OVER HERE, HE HAD QUESTIONS SPECIFIC ABOUT THE AQUIFER AND ALL THAT.
COMMISSIONER DEAN HAS SPENT HIS CAREER IN THE WATER MANAGEMENT. NO ONE UNDERSTANDS WATER BETTER THAN COMMISSIONER DEAN. SO I'M NOT GOING TO ASK HIM TO SPEAK HERE BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TRY TO ADDRESS TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, SOME CONCERNS THAT MR. GEORGE
RAISED. >> REGARDING ABOUT THE AQUIFER --
>> THAT HAPPENS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY DEPENDING ON RETENTION AREA WELLS ARE IN A CERTAIN AREA AND SPECIFIC ON HOW THIS IS IMPACTED FOR THE GENERAL AREA.
WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE INFORMATION PROVIDED. BUT THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE
APPLICATION. >> OKAY I'M GOING TO SAY WARMER TIME FOR THE AUDIENCE, IF YOU ARE GETTING A PHONE CALL, PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE OR PUT YOUR PHONES TO VIBRATE WERE SILENT SO WE CAN TRY TO LIMIT THE INTERRUPTIONS. PLEASE REPEAT THAT.
>> I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THE DRAWDOWN EFFECT DOES OCCUR THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AS PART OF THE PERMANENT PROCESS. THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED TO THE DISTRICT OR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE GENERAL AREA AND SEE WHAT INFORMATION COULD PROVIDE.
>> RIBBON ON STAFF TODAY THAT COULD GIVE US AN ANSWER AS THIS CONCERN IS RAISED?
>> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. UNLESS THE INFORMATION IS BEEN PROVIDED FOR TECHNICAL REPORT THAT INFORMATION I WOULD IMAGINE HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY AND REVIEWED.
DEFINITELY HAS BEEN REVIEWED AS PART OF THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT --
>> ANSWER IS NO. NO ONE ON STAFF TODAY? >> I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYONE
RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SMITH.
>> YES. I HAVE ONE FOR -- >> FOR THE OF THE 34 EXTRA
UNITS WERE THEY GOING ON THIS MAP? >> THIS IS ALL, THIS CURRENTLY IS 314. IT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THIS EXACT MOMENT AND IS WHERE WE WILL END UP. WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE ENGINEERING PLANS.
THIS IS THE CURRENT SITE PLAN. >> THANK YOU. >> THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT FOR
THE BEGINNING? >> NO, SIR. WE ARE CURRENTLY AT 214.
BUT I'M ASKING FOR 320 JUST IN CASE THERE ARE CHANGES. >> THANK YOU.
>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> MS. BRADY, MAYBE I'M CONFUSED AGAIN.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE MAPS ASTRINGENT 12 UNITS. >> CORRECT.
>> HE SAID THE RANGE OF 14. >> 312, WE ARE GOING TO THE PROCESS WHICH IS WHY WE ARE WORKING ON THE PLAN WE GET MORE INFORMATION, BUT THIS IS THE CURRENT SITE PLAN THAT IS SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY. FOR ENGINEERING PLANS AND TO THE WATER MANAGEMENT.
IT SAYS 312, THAT IS WHERE WE ARE AT AT THIS EXACT MOMENT. TO BE CLEAR, I'M ASKING FOR 320
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TODAY. IN CASE WE HAVE ANY OTHER CHANGES AS YOU WORK THROUGHENGINEERING AND OTHER THINGS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. >> OKAY THANK YOU.
>> MR. GEORGE, WE HAVE NUMBER OF INTERRUPTIONS.E'VE HEARD FROM PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS US AS A BOARD. SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR, WE ARE UNDER SUNSHINE WHICH MEANS WE CANNOT DISCUSS THE PROJECT. THIS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS.
WHERE THE WAS HAVE TO MAKE A VERY SERIOUS DISCUSSION HERE FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE THEM. BUT WE ARE NOT TAKING ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT NOW. WE ARE GOING TO -- LET ME FINISH.
WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION. EXCUSE ME? OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.
MORNING, I WAS FULLY PREPARED TO NOT SUPPORT ITEM NUMBER 1. AND I EXPLAINED WHY.
DURING THAT DISCUSSION. ALSO, WHEN I WALKED IN THIS MORNING, I WAS FULLY PREPARED TO SUPPORT AND VOTE FOR ITEM NUMBER 3 AND 4. I VOTED FOR THIS LAST MAY AS COMMISSIONER SMITH POINTED OUT. WE HAD ALMOST NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS SPEAKING LAST MAY, REGARDING THE FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED HERE TODAY. THAT I'M HEARING FOR THE 1ST TIME, FRANKLY. PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO SAFETY ISSUES AND THE PROBLEMS WITH THE U-TURN AND TO SOME EXTENT THE DRAINAGE ISSUES. THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, THE FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED, OVER THE LAST HOUR, NOW I'M IN A POSITION WHERE I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS ITEM. AND I JUST WANT TO GO TO THE RECORD SAYING THAT. AND WE WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. [APPLAUSE]
>> I WANT TO SAY WHAT COMMISSIONER DEAN SAID. THERE BEEN A NUMBER, THIS WHERE WE HAD THE MEETINGS. THE PUBLIC BRINGS THE ATTENTION.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SAFETY ISSUES RAISED TODAY THAT HAVE ME CONCERNED AS WELL.
IT IS NOT A KNOCK ON OUR STAFF, OUR STAFF DOES A GOOD JOB BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION 'S INABILITY TO ANSWER BASIC QUESTIONS, ADDRESS THE LIGHT THERE. I FIND IT HIGHLY TROUBLING AND I INTEND TO ADDRESS THAT WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD?
>> MR. CHAIR? >> YES. >> IF I MAY.
ONE THING I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD AT LEAST AN ACT CT IS THAT THE PROPERTY DESCRIPTION IS TO BE CHANGE WE NEED TO BE CHANGED WHETHER THE UNIT NUMBER REMAINS THE SAME OR WOULD BE USTED, BUT AD BEEN AN ERROR IN THE PROPERTY DESCRIPTION.
AND SO AT LEAST THAT ASPECT IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE.
OTHER THAN THE NUMBER OF UNITS, AND THEN THERE IS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION OF THAT.
AND SOME CONCERNS. THERE IS ALSO SOME BUFFERING LANGUAGE AND FENCE LANGUAGE.
AND SO, THE BOARD MAY WANT TO PICK THROUGH THOSE IF THE BOARD APPROVES THE WHOLE THING OR IF THE BOARD JUST APPROVES A PORTION OF THIS. THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A PUD. IN A PUD CANNOT PLACE THE APPLICANT INTO A PUD THEY DON'T ABSOLUTELY AGREE TO VIRTUALLY LINE BY LINE. THIS IS REZONING, THE BOARD HAS FLEXIBILITY IN WHAT ASPECT OF IT TO APPROVE AND WHAT CONDITIONS TO BE PLACED.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >> THANK YOU. >> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A
MOTION. >> YES SIR, IT IS. >> I WOULD MOVE TO DENY REZONING 2021 Ã27 STOKES LANDING TOWNHOMES REZONING BASED UPON FINDINGS OF FACT.
>> K WE HAVE A MOTION, IS THERE A 2ND? >> COMPUTER.
>> A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND 2ND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? >> ZEPPELIN THAT WE NEED TO DO
THE LAND DESCRIPTION? >> YEAH, I THINK OF THE BOARD DENIES ALL APPLICATION, I THINK WHAT I WOULD REQUEST THAT IS THAT THE BOARD ALLOW A, AND ORDINANCE TO COME BACK TO LEASE
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FOR THE PURPOSE OF CORRECTING THE PROPERTY DESCRIPTION THAT IS ALREADY IN ORDINANCE 2021 Ã 24. THAT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK OR I CAN BRING IT UP IN COMMISSIONERCOMMENTS AT THE END OF THE MEETING IF NECESSARY. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, PATRICK. WE HAVE A MOTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>> YES COMMISSIONER. THIS DID NOT INCLUDE THE 8 FOOT FENCE THAT IS 150 -- IT IS NOT
INCLUDED. IT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH. >> ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.
THOSE CONDITIONS WERE STATED IN THE RECORD AT THE MAY HEARING. >> OKAY, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? ? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.
THE MOTION PASSES 5 Ã0. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4. >> RIGHT, THERE IS A -- UNDER 2021 Ã24 THERE IS AN ENTITLEMENT, THEY WILL NEED A PROPERTY PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT FOR THAT I BELIEVE. MR. CHAIR, IF I MIGHT HAVE LIKE A, A 3 MINUTE RECESS. I WANT TO DISCUSS WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD
WOULD BE ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 4. OR YOU COULD SKIP THAT FOR NOW, GO TO ITEM NUMBER 5 AND -- >> HOLD ON 1 2ND. WE CAN TAKE A VERY BRIEF RECESS TO DISCUSS THIS.
BUT WE HAVE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WAITING. >> RIGHT SO, IF THE BOARD WOULD
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LIKE TO, IT CAN CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 4, WE WILL COME BACK AND FOR MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT THE BOARD COULD PROCEED AT THIS TIME TO ITEM NUMBER 5, AND THEN WHEN I'M READY TO GIVE ADVICEABOUT HOW TO -- >> OKAY WE WILL DO THAT.OOK AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. THIS IS A
QUASIJUDICIAL MATTER LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
LET ME GET MY NOTES HERE. ON JUNE 10, 2021, 1:15 PM, I MET WITH MISS SALLY OHARA.
ABOUT THE SPECIAL USE REQUEST. I SPOKE ABOUT HISTORY, PROPERTY BOUGHT IN 1977, BUILT IN 1980.
A LITTLE LESS THAN 15 ACRES, THERE'S A TROPICAL FISH BARN ON IT, TALKED ABOUT HER FAMILY, HOMES THAT WERE BUILT, ONE IS 77 AND 1 OR 2003 DESCRIBED HER REQUEST, THE USAGE AND INTENDED TO BE ONLY 2 TO 25 PEOPLE, PCOMPLAINTS AT THIS POINT WERE NOISE, 90 DEGREE CURVE ONE WAY AND AND ONE WAY OUT AND ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION ON THE PROPERTY. THERE WAS AN EVENT SHE SAID IT
WOULD BE VERY CONTROLLED AND WOULD APPEAL TO THE BCC. >> THANK YOU.
>> MR. VICE CHAIRMAN? >> YES, ON THURSDAY, JUNE 10, 12:30 PM I MET WITH SALLY OHARA TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED PROJECT. AND THE DESCRIPTION AND SITE PLAN AND ACTIVITIES WOULD TAKE PLACE IF IT WERE APPROVED. ALSO, I RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS DURING THE COURSE OF THE LAST MONTH OR SO. SOME IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OPPOSED AND ALL OF THOSE ARE MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. >> THURSDAY, JUNE 10, 10:00 AM I MET WITH SALLY OHARA.
TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT WITH STAFF. WE DISCUSSED A REQUEST, LOCATION, TRAFFIC, NOISE, POSSIBILITIES FOR PROPERTY INGRESS AND EGRESS.
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I DO NOT HAVE THE DATES OF ALL THESE AND I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES I GET CALLED WHILE I'M DRIVING AND I CANNOT REALLY DO ANY KIND OF LETTING THINGS GO.BUT I'VE SPOKEN TWICE TO SEAN ARNOLD ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES OF THE PROJECT.
THE CONCERN FOR NOISE, SAFETY, TRAFFIC AND USE OF ALCOHOL. 2 DIFFERENT TIMES ABOUT I SPOKE TO MR. WHERE THEY LIVE IN THE AREA. MR. TOMMY HOBBS A COUPLE OF TIMES.
ABOUT MEETINGS WITH CONCERNS OF TRAFFIC NOISE, SAFETY. I SPOKE WITH MISS SALLY OHARA YESTERDAY AND SHE WAS ASKING IF HAD QUESTIONS WHICH I DID NOT AT THE TIME.
ALSO SPOKE WITH MR. KEMPER WHO SAME THING, NOISE, TRAFFIC AND SPOKE TO ANOTHER GENTLEMAN YESTERDAY THAT I DIDN'T GET HIS NAME, SAME CONCERNS. I HAD NUMEROUS EMAILS S WELL.
IN SUPPORT MAINLY OBJECTION. THINK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
>> TUESDAY, JUNE 22 APPROXIMATELY 11:00 AMOS MET WITH SALLY OHARA IN THE OFFICE AND STAFF TO DISCUSS THE APPEAL OF THE PCA DISCUSSION OF THE PROJECT WE DISCUSSED THE LAND AND PROPOSED USE AND SOME COMMUNITY CONCERNS, MS. OHARA TALKED ABOUT SOME CONCERNS ARE COMING FROM A DIFFERENT PROPERTY, NOT HERS. WE DISCUSSED POSSIBLY LIMITING
HOURS WE DISCUSSED POSSIBLY LIMITING USES, IT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU.
I MET ON THIS PROJECT TUESDAY, JUNE 22, APPROXIMATE 11:30 A.M. WITH MS. OHARA TO DISCUSS A PROJECT TO DESCRIBE THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, THE PLAN PURPOSE AND USE.
WE ALSO DISCUSSED BRIEFLY THE OPPOSITION THAT WAS IN PLACE TO THE PROJECT.
I PURSUE SIMILAR TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS I RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS RAISING DIFFERENT CONCERNS AND OBJECTIONS. I ALSO RECEIVED SOME REPORTS AS WELL. THAT IS ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW, THANK YOU.
GO AHEAD. >> GOOD MORNING, SHANNON ACEVEDO FOR THE RECORD WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP. 7 WALDO STREET IN FLORIDA. HIS IS THE TARA HILBORN APPEAL. SALLY OHARA IS A PROPERTY OWNER SHE'S HERE TO AND WILL GIVE A BRIEF PROPERTY DESCRIPTION AFTER MINE AND HER DAUGHTER ELIZABETH OHARA IS ALSO HERO AS WELL AS JEREMIAH MULLIGAN, HER CONSULTANT. THIS IS THE PROPERTY, 14 ACRES.
JUST OFF OF KINGS ROAD. KIND OF ZOOMING IN A LITTLE HERE, IT'S GOT IMMEDIATE FRONTAGE ON BOTH KINGS ROAD AND POINT -- ALTHOUGH THERE IS NO ACCESS BEING PROPOSED FOR POINSETTIA IN ORDER TO RESPECT THE RESIDENTIAL SURROUNDING THE AREA.
IT IS CURRENTLY OPEN RURAL ZONING. I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THE SPECIAL USE REQUEST AND THEN ALWAYS A MAJORITY THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL APPEAL APPLICATION YOU'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.
BUT JUST IN A NUTSHELL, THIS IS ABOUT AN EXISTING BARN. THAT IS TO BE USED FOR AN EDUCATIONAL CENTER. AND SPECIAL USE QUANTITIES THAT FOR ALSO, A SMALL EVENT SPACE.
AND THE IDEA WAS TO HAVE A PLACE TO INSTRUCT AND MENTOR STUDENTS WITH AUTISTIC AND SPECIAL NEEDS. IT IS ALSO THOUGHT TO BE A PLACE THAT COULD HOST PHOTOGRAPHY EVENTS, SMALL EVENTS, THINGS THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY AND THE NATURAL AREA AROUND IT. THE SPECIAL USE FOR AN EVENT CENTER WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH GENERAL CRITERIA, 2 Ã03 Ã01 A, BECAUSE THIS IS A FAMILY OWNED PROPERTY AND WOULD BE A FAMILY NEW USE WITH THIS SPECIAL EVENT CENTER, THERE WAS ALSO A TAGALONG SPECIAL USE REQUEST TO ALLOW FOR MORE THAN ONE MAN USE ON THE LOT AND IT WAS SOLELY BASED ON THE INTENTION TO NOT SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY BUT KEEP IT ALL WITHIN THE FAMILY. ON THAT NOTE THERE IS NO HIRED EMPLOYEES, IS NOT COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE, NO DAILY USE. IN FACT, THINKING ABOUT ONE ACTIVITY PER WEEK AND THE CUT
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OFF TIME IS 10:00 P.M. FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AT 2:11 PM ON A RARE OCCASION DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF ACTIVITY. THAT WAS THE SPECIAL USE REQUEST AND JUST FOR SAKE OF ORIENTING YOURSELF, YOU SHOULD WEAR THE 2 HOMES ARE IN EXISTENCE ON THE PROPERTY.AS WELL AS WHERE THE ARN S AND WHAT WOULD BE PROPOSED AS ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES IS A ALL STORAGE PREP AREA AND THEN SINGLE OOP AROUND FOR THE UNPAVED PARKING.
THE NEW PORTION WOULD BE 494 SQUARE FEET OF DETACHED STORAGE AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF COVERED PATIO. THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY VOTED TO DENY THE SPECIAL USE ON JUNE 3 WHICH BRINGS US HERE TODAY FOR AN APPEAL, THE ADVERSELY AFFECTED PERSONS ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS, MS. SALLY OHARA AND HER FAMILY RESIDING AT 3025 AND 2985 KINGS ROAD.
THE 2 HOMES YOU SAW EARLIER. THE EXISTING BARN IS NOT CURRENTLY USABLE.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY USES A TROPICAL FISH BARN AND THE VETS IN THE AREA WHERE THE STORAGE PREP IS PROPOSED, ARE NO LONGER REALLY FEASIBLE FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.
THERE ARE CHANGING TIMES, DIFFERENT TYPE OF MARKET DEMAND.
THE IDEA BEHIND THE APPEAL IS TO ALLOW FOR SOME KIND OF USE OF THE EXISTING BARN.
TO ALLEVIATE THE CONCERNS OF SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WE'VE HEARD FROM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY EETING I'M NOT WANTING AN EVENT CENTER, THIS APPEAL ALSO TAKES THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARE DOWN THE IMPACT AND USE REQUEST. IN FACT, RATHER THAN A SPECIAL EVENT CENTER, WITH THINKING OF THIS MORE AS AN ACTIVITY CENTER.
SOMETHING FOR VERY SMALL GROUPS TO COME TOGETHER, WHETHER FOR EDUCATIONAL OR OTHER PURPOSES.
AND SO WITH THAT THEY WOULD BE CONDITION TO PARE DOWN FROM THE MAXIMUM 100 GUESTS TO 50 GUESTS. FOR EACH GATHERING. AND SO, FOR THE STATEMENT OF INTEREST AND SPECIFIC TO SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION WANT TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THAT CAME UP DURING THE HEARING. 1 OF THE SPECIAL EVENT CENTER, HOW IT GETS CATEGORIZED WITHIN THE OPEN RURAL ZONING DISTRICT. THE TRAFFIC AND ROAD CURVATURE AND ENFORCING CONDITIONS AND TRANSFERABILITY. I'M GOING TO TAKE THE ZONING QUESTION 1ST. THERE WAS SOME DEBATE ON WHY THIS WAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST RATHER THAN A REZONING AND AGAIN, THE IDEA IS NOT FOR THIS TO BE A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE. BUT MEET WITHIN THE CRITERIA, SOMETHING THAT FALLS WITHIN WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE AND OPEN RURAL ZONING. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS, NOT REALLY MENTION A SPECIAL EVENT CENTER THAT FALL NEATLY INTO ANY CATEGORY.
SO WHEN THAT IS THE CASE, THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY STAFF TO MAKE A DETERMINATION TO BRING SOMETHING FORWARD AS A SPECIAL USE WHICH WAS THE CASE FOR THE SPECIAL EVENT CENTER WHICH WE ARE NOW PARING DOWN TO AN ACTIVITY CENTER. IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING TO COMPARE TO WITH THE ASSESSMENT, I LOOKED AT SOME, THIS IS NOT AN EXTENSIVE LIST BUT EITHER BRIGHT RIGHT OR SPECIAL USE AND OPAL RURAL ZONING CATEGORY, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE MANY USES THAT ARE ALLOWABLE ACTUALLY BY RIGHT IN OPEN WORLD IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE USE THE COUNTRY FOR YOU TODAY. SOME OF THOSE INCLUDE PRIVATE CLUBS, COMMUNITY CENTERS, CHURCHES, COUNTRY CLUBS. ON THAT NOTE, THERE ARE SOME THAT WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF MONETARY ASPECT TO IT SUCH AS CHILD AND ADULT CARE CENTERS.
I DID WANT TO BRING THAT UP AND IT WOULD FIT SQUARELY WITHIN THE LIST OF ITEMS EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UNDER OPEN RURAL. TERMS OF TRAFFIC AND SAFETY, I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE VERY SMALL AMONG KINGS ROAD COMPARED TO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, OAK BROOK IS NEARBY IT HAS ABOUT 200 PARCELS. AND MY CLIENT ACTUALLY CAME OUT AND COUNTED CARS TO KIND OF HAVE IT A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT IS GOING ON TODAY, COUNTED UP TO 40. IN TERMS OF RELATIVE NESTS, THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY FOR THE ACTIVITY CENTER WOULD BE ABOUT 12 TO 25 CARS. ADDITIONALLY, THIS IS LIKELY TO OCCUR ON OFF-PEAK TIMES. NOT THE TIMES WHEN PEOPLE ARE TYPICALLY COMING BACK AND FORTH FROM WORK. AND I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THERE WAS ALSO QUESTION ABOUT SAFETY BECAUSE OF THE CURVE. BECAUSE OF PROPERTY MY CLIENTS PROPERTY WAS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE CURVE THERE WAS ACTUALLY A LOT BETTER VISIBILITY ON THE SOUTH SIDE YOU CAN SEE THAT
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FROM THIS IMAGE. THIS TAKES THE PERSPECTIVE OF EITHER COMING FROM THE NORTH EAST OR FROM THE SOUTHWEST. YOU CAN HAVE A PRETTY GOOD PURVIEW OF THE SITE ALONG THE CURVATURE. AND IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTATION, I DID WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU, WE DON'T HAVE A FULLY VETTED SITE PLAN BUT THIS GIVES YOU A GENERAL IDEA.WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RELATIVELY SMALL SPACE, AND EXISTING BOARD AND ACTUALLY LOOKING AT CONTRACTING AND MORE TO GIVE A HIGHER COMFORT LEVEL OF HAVING SBA MORE IMPACTFUL USE.
THERE WILL BE SOME AREA USED FOR RESTROOMS, SOME FOR PREP, SOME FOR MEETING AREAS OR OFFICE AREA. AND THEN THE ASSEMBLY AREA IS LOOKING AT ABOUT 2000, 2100 SQUARE EET. IT'S ROUGHLY THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE.
I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT THIS USE AND REQUEST WAS INSPIRED BY THE FAMILIES, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND ALSO THE TEACHING BACKGROUND OF THE FAMILY.
THIS SHOULD BE NONTRANSFERABLE MEETING THAT THIS USE WOULD NOT CONTINUE ON IF THEY SELL THE PROPERTY. MY CLIENT HAS ALSO BEEN DRAFTING A CLIENT VENDOR USE AGREEMENT TO LIMIT USES AND SIZE OF ACTIVITIES. AND AGAIN, CONDITION OF THIS APPEAL WOULD BE THAT THERE WOULD BE A LIMITATION OF 50 PEOPLE.
I WON'T GO INTO DETAIL HERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE SITE PLAN IN YOUR POCKET.
VERY VERY MINIMAL, INCREASE OF 488 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE. THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIOS LESS THAN 5 PERCENT AND WE WANT TO KEEP THE RURAL AREA. THAT IS WHY PART OF THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO NOT PAVE THE AREAS YOU CAN SEE COMING IN WHERE THE PARKING SPOTS WOULD BE ABOUT 27 PARKING SPOTS PROVIDED AND THESE WERE STRATEGICALLY PLACED IN AREAS TO MINIMIZE IMPACT TO TREES ON THE SITE. AND YOU CAN SEE IT IS VERY CENTRALLY LOCATED THERE IS LARGE BUFFERS OF GREEN SPACE AROUND IT.
I'M JUST GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR THIS APPEAL APPLICATION.T SAYS 31 AND ACTUALLY I THINK WE ARE UP TO 39 SINCE THE TIME PREPARING THIS PRESENTATION. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF WHY PEOPLE WERE IN SUPPORT OF IT. THE LOW-IMPACT NATURE, PRESERVING THE OLD FLORIDA LANDSCAPE. NO GENERATOR OF TRAFFIC AND PARKING AND A GREAT MENU FOR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING. ON THE NOTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINE JUST WANT TO MENTION THIS WAS SHARED DURING THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY, WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SMALL ACTIVITY CENTER. MAXIMUM OF 50 PEOPLE, WE WOULD EXPECT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 12 AND 25 TRIPS. BY RIGHT, THIS PROPERTY COULD BE DEVELOPED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OF 10 LOTS, AND AN ANTICIPATED DAILY TRAFFIC FOR SUCH A DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE 95 TRIPS, I REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS PROPOSAL THINK CREATIVELY ABOUT REUSING A SPACE THAT'S ALREADY THERE FOR SOMETHING TO BE MUCH MORE MINIMAL IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC IMPACT. CRACKS MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE? I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS BUT, IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN INFORM THE BOARD, APPROXIMATELY WHERE THESE 31 PLUS OR MINUS RESPONDENT HAD COME FROM?
FROM THE AREA, FROM THE COUNTY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? >> YES, I CAN GIVE CLARIFICATION. A LOT OF THOSE IN SUPPORT MORE SUPPORT BASED ON THE CULTURAL ASSETS OF WHAT A USE LIKE THIS WOULD PROVIDE FROM EDUCATIONAL PERSPECTIVE ARTISTIC PERSPECTIVE, COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE USING SUCH A SITE IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED FOR AN ACTIVITY CENTER. IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL 300 FOOT OF ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, THERE'S 21 PARCELS THAT MEET THE STANDARD FOR PROPERTY BOUNDARY AND OF THOSE, THERE WERE 3 LETTERS 3 DIFFERENT PARCELS WITHIN THAT 21 IN SUPPORT, AS I'M HEARING FOR MY CLIENT, THERE WAS A MIXTURE OF PEOPLE THAT WROTE CORRESPONDENCE BUT ALSO CAME ON THE SITE AND GAVE VERBAL APPROVAL. I BELIEVE SHE SAID THERE WERE 12 THAT WERE IN SUPPORT. IN TERMS OF RESIDENCE THAT MEET THAT 300 FOOT RULE THAT WERE
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NOT IN SUPPORT, THEY WERE 5. AND THE REST OF THE RESIDENCE, THAT MET THE 300 FOOT RULE WERE NEUTRAL OR WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM. THERE WERE SOME OTHERS THAT CAME IN OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT THAT ARE STILL NEARBY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT DON'T MEET THE 300 FOOT RULE. AND SO I WILL WRAP THIS UP HERE.WE BELIEVE THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MET THE CRITERIA OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE FURTHER MAKING SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTIONS IN THE IMPACT BY LIMITING TO 50 PEOPLE. THIS WOULD BE COMPLIANT AND COMPATIBLE WITH OPEN WORLD ZONING AND WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION.
IT FALLS WITHIN SMALL GATHERINGS AND MANY USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN CULTURAL INSTITUTIONAL USES WHICH ARE ALLOWED IN OPEN WORLD ZONING AND RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. AS I'VE MENTIONED, THERE IS GENEROUS BUFFERING TO BE PROVIDED. TRYING TO REALLY MAKE THE MOST MINIMAL IMPACT TO THE SITE ITSELF AS POSSIBLE. AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GIVE MS. SALLY OHARA A MOMENT
THIS -- TO SPEAK AS WELL. >> GOOD MORNING. SALLY OHARA, 2035 KINGS ROAD.
THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR MEETING WITH ME AND BEING VERY SUPPORTIVE TALKING WITH STAFF AND CONTINUING FORWARD. SINCE WE BEEN HERE SINCE 1977, I THINK WE HAVE GOT A GOOD SOLID ROUTE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I PLAN TO CONTINUE MY VOLUNTEER SERVICE AS, AFTER THE LAST HEARING I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT MY NEIGHBORS. AND I'M CONTINUE MY EFFORTS TO PARTICIPATE IN TRAFFIC SAFETY TEAM AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOPS.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO UNDERSTANDING MORE ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SOME OF MY SUPPORTERS ARE HERE. I THINK I'VE GOT ABOUT 10 PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE. THEY ARE HERE AND SOME MAY SPEAK SOME MAY NOT, SOME HAVE SUBMITTED LETTERS, WITH 39 LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND OF THAT OF 85 PERCENT -- A GOOD PORTION OF THEM ARE MY NEIGHBORS IN THE AUDIENCE. THE OPPOSING LETTERS, I OPENLY HAD COMMUNITY MEETINGS, FLYERS, SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND ON THE ORANGE SIGN OUT FRONT, HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER. UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THE COMMENTARY HAS COME FROM FOLKS THAT THE CLIENT COMING TO MY PROPERTY. AND I CONTINUE TO WELCOME THEM TO COME VISIT ME. A LOT OF THE AGENDA ITEMS TODAY, WE DO NOT WANT TO BUILD HOUSES WANT TO KEEP IT PRISTINE. WANT TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT AND NATURALLY ELECT TO EXPAND MY PROPERTY HOLDINGS TO DO THAT.
WE ARE CONTRARY TO YOUR PRECEDING PROJECTS.E DO NOT WANT TO DESCRIBE THE TREES.
WANT TO DESTROY THE NATURAL HABITATS AND GREEN SPACE. YES, WE WILL DO A LOT OF THINGS BY RIGHT. BUT THIS WAS THE LOGICAL ROUTE AS WE WERE ADVISED BY STAFF TO APPLY FOR SPECIAL USE. AND I HOPE YOU CONSIDER APPROVING IT TODAY.
THANK YOU. >> LEGAL. >> YES, MR. CHAIR, ALSO, I DID WANT TO INFORM THE BOARD IF YOU DID NOT KNOW ALREADY. THE CHAIR OF PZA IS IN ATTENDANCE. YOU HAVE POLICIES IF A DECISION IS APPROVED BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, A MEMBER OF THE BOARD COMMITTEE WILL BE PRESENT AT SUCH HEARING AND HE
IS HERE FOR YOU TODAY. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. ONE WE OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT. >> WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 5, THE TOWER HILL BARN APPEAL. I DID TAKE TIME WALKING THE PROPERTY AND COMMEND HER FOR HER WELL-THOUGHT OUT PLAN HOW TO OPERATIONALI TEACHING THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED.
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THE CONSERVATION OF THE PROPERTY. SO I AM, IN FULL SUPPORT OF WHAT SHE INTENDS, I HAVE NO CONCERNS AS I HEARD AROUND OTHER THINGS THIS MORNING.AND I HOPE YOU WILL APPROVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
MA'AM. >> YES, SIR. >> MY NAME IS MARVIN MANN, I LIVE AT 3544 KINGS ROAD SOUTH. WE HAVE LIVED HERE SINCE 2001. MOVED HERE FROM CONNECTICUT WHERE I SERVED AT CITY COUNCILMAN AND WAS THE 5TH FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE UNITED STATES. WITH REGARD TO THE PROPERTY, KINGS ESTATE ROAD SERVICES AT LEAST 500 HOMES IN OAK BROOK AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. IT'S A 2-LANE ROAD AND ONE LANE IN AND ONE LANE OUT. THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS AROUND, IS LOCATED AROUND A FAIRLY SHARP CURVE. THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN AND AROUND OAK BROOK.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR MIGHT BE COMMERCIAL BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THERE. THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF WILDLIFE THAT CROSSES THE ROAD CONSTANTLY. THIS PROPERTY THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION IS ONE OF OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ARE QUITE EXTENSIVE. MUCH LARGER THAN WITH THE THREE QUARTER PROPERTY IN OAK BROOK. THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP ANY OTHER RESIDENT WHO LIVES THERE FOR REQUESTING A ZONING CHANGE FOR WHATEVER ALLEGED PURPOSE AND FIND OUT IT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. IN DANBURY, WE FACE A SIMILAR SITUATION.
DURING THE TIME I WAS A CITY COUNCIL MAN, I CAN'T EVER RECALL ZONING FROM ONE ZONE TO ANOTHER FOR ANY PURPOSE WHATSOEVER. THE LEFT THE ZONING THE WAY IT WAS AND I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY WE DID THAT. I HOPE THE SAME THING HAPPENS HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE WHERE WE SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE ZONING CHANGES AND THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THIS MORNING. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON FOR CHANGING IT.
IF THE RESIDENTIALS LIKE WHAT IT IS, AND LOVE THE LOCATION, AND BY THE WAY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE EVENTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE THERE ALREADY. IF IT'S NOT ZONED TO HAVE EVENTS, WHY WERE THE EVENTS TAKING PLACE THERE? WE HAVE PICTURES OF THE CARS THERE.
THAT PROPERTY YOU COULD EASILY PUT 100 CARS. THERE'S NOT ANYBODY TO STOP ANYONE FROM DOING ANYTHING THERE ONCE YOU DO HAVE A ZONING CHANGE.
THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR, IN Y'ALL WILL COME UP TO THE QUEUE.
>> CRAWFORD BOIL, 3834 SAINT AUGUSTINE. BEFORE I RETIRED, I WAS A SOUND PROFESSIONAL AND OWNED BY OWN COMPANY. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS PROPERTY TWICE AND WITH THE TREES AND WITH THE LAY OF THE LAND, I CAN'T SEE HOW ANYTHING COULD REALLY UPSET THE NEIGHBORS. THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, THE DAMPENING OF THE TREES AUDIO WISE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I CAN'T SEE HOW THE SOUND WOULD TRAVEL THAT FAR.
SO THAT'S MY OPINION. AND THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
YES, SIR. >> GENTLEMEN, FOR THE RECORD, JOHN LUNDES FORD.
3050 KINGS ROAD. SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. I'M ONE OF PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE PROJECT. WE ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ENTRANCE OF THE CURRENT PARKING LOT. I DID SEND YOU E-MAILS AND I DO APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK I RECEIVED IN RESPONSE TO THAT. I'M CURRENTLY RAISING A YOUNG FMILY ACROSS THE STREET. I HAD NEIGHBORS THAT JUST RECENTLY SOLD THEIR HOME DUE TO THE TRAFFIC ON KINGS ROAD AND HAD A NEW FAMILY PURCHASE ACROSS THE STREET WHO ALSO HAVE YOUNG KIDS. MY KIDS PLAY ABOUT 50 YARDS FROM THE ENTRANCE TO THIS PROPOSED PARKING LOT. MY PROPERTY IS FENCED. BUT OUR CONCERNS RIGHT NOW ARE WHAT WE HAVE, THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS WE HAD ALREADY. MAINLY FROM THE TRAFFIC THAT MISSES THE ENTRANCE. THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN EVENTS BEING HELD AT THE PROPERTY.
I POLITELY DECLINED SALLY'S OFFER TO COME LOOK AT THE PROPERTY BECAUSE I CAN SEE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. SHE DID REACH OUT TO ME AND I HAVE NOT SPOKE TO HER APPROVAL.
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NO ISSUE THERE, AS I NEIGHBOR I SHOULD TAKE HER THOUGHTS INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT, I COULDN'T PULL OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY THE OTHER DAY. I HAVE AN ELECTRIC GATE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND THE CARS THAT WERE COMING TO HER EVENT HERE PRIOR, I SAY EVENT, IT WAS VEHICLES COMING IN AND OUT OF HER PROPERTY WERE USING MY DRIVEWAY TO TURN AROUND AND GET BACK ON A 2-LANE ROAD AND THAT SPECIFIC CURVE WE'RE ON IS FAIRLY DANGEROUS.I CAN'T BACK OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IN THE PROPOSAL.
SHE HASN'T MENTIONED A PLAN TO HANDLE TRAFFIC THAT MISSES THE ENTRANCE, IT'S A PRETTY FAST ROAD. THERE'S A PROJECT COMING UP TO FIX THE CULVERT THERE.
I THINK IT WILL BE A DANGEROUS SITUATION FOR MY PROPERTY AND DRIVEWAY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDRESSED TO SOME DEGREE. I DO APPRECIATE ABSOLUTELY THE AMENDMENTS THEY MADE LIMITING THE 50 PEOPLE ET CETERA. I THINK IT'S A VAGUE PROPOSAL.
THEY ALREADY ADVISED ONLINE FOR SMALL GROUP WEDDINGS. EVERYTHING I HAVE SEEN HAS BEEN IN REGARDS TO PHOTOGRAPHY SETTINGS AND WEDDINGS. ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION HASN'T BEEN LISTED ON ANY OF THAT. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE THAT IF THAT'S THE PROPERTY IS USED FOR. WE WOULD LOVE FOR PEOPLE TO COME, SPECIAL NEEDS ACTIVITIES THAT NATURE. BUT THE FACT I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT, I JUST HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO BE GOING ON. SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S A WEDDING VENUE WITH A PARKING LOT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOME.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND I APPRECIATE SALLY REACHING OUT.
I DO REQUEST >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
>> NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE SIR. >> TOMMY WHITCOMB, 2872 KINGS ROAD.
I GOOGLED WHAT IS AN EVENT CENTER. SAYS A PUBLIC OR PRIVATELY OWNED STRUCTURE OR AREA USED FOR THE PURPOSES OF PUBLIC PERFORMANCES SPORTING EVENTS, PRIVATE RECEPTIONS OR PARTIES OR SIMILAR ATTRACTIONS THAT MAY GENERATE HEAVY TRAFFIC AND GOES ON AND ON ABOUT OTHER STUFF EMPLOYMENT TO READ A QUICK E-MAIL I SENT TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO DO OTHER DAY. I GOT RESPONSES. SOME DIDN'T GO THROUGH.
THESE DARNED IPHONES HOW THEY DO. ANYWAY, DEAR SIRS, I'M ASKING THAT YOU DENY THE APPEAL FOR THE TARA HILL BARN THAT WAS TURNED DOWN BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. I HAVE LIVED IN THIS QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 30 YEARS AT 2872 KINGS ROAD AND THE NOISE AND TRAFFIC THAT WEDDINGS AND OTHER EVENTS WOULD CREATE WOULD NOT BE A GOOD FIT. THERE ARE OTHER AREAS THAT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED.
THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE TRAFFIC WOULD HAVE TO GO RIGHT PAST BY HOUSE AND WE HAVE SHARP 90 DEGREE TURN BEFORE YOU GET TO THE EVENT CENTER.
IT'S NOT EASY TO DO, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT TO GET AROUND THE CURVE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING MENTIONED ABOUT ALCOHOL WHICH WE DID AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING.
THAT WAS AN ISSUE. IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF EVENTS AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, I SEE WHERE YOUR TALKING ABOUT LETTING THEM GO TO 10 OR 11:00.
THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE AN EDUCATIONAL THING TO ME. I ASK THAT YOU DENY.
>> GOOD MORNING, I'M MAJOR DAVID CHRISTOPHER RETIRED FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
I LIVE AT 775 ANDREW AVENUE. JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED EVENT.
I WAS ASKED TO READ INTO THE RECORD A LETTER FROM JOE STEVEN SO.
CHAIRMAN AND HONORABLE COMMISSIONERS, IT'S MY DESIRE AND INTENT TO ATTEND YOUR MEETING TO COMMENT ON ITEM 5, PLANNING APPEAL 2021-01 TARA HILL BARN.
UNFORTUNATELY, MY RECOVERY FROM SURGERY HAS NOT PROGRESSED SUFFICIENTLY TO ALLOW MY ATTENDANCE IN PERSON. THEREFORE I REQUEST YOUR INDULGENCE TO ALLOW THIS LETTER TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD OF TODAY'S HEARING. I WRITE IN STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. I REGRET THE NECESSITY OF TAKING THIS POSITION OPPOSITION TO MS. SALLY O'HARE WHO HAS BEEN OUR NEIGHBOR FOR 30 YEARS AND I HAVE WORKED AS A COLLEAGUE ON NUMEROUS COMMUNITY ISSUES. I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR MS. O'HARE AND HER FAMILY REGARDLESS OF OUR DIFFERENT VIEWS ON THIS ISSUE. AN EVENT VENUE IN THIS LOCATION
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IS THE INTRODUCTION OF A COMMERCIAL LAND USE I E THE USE OF LAND TO GENERATE REVENUE.INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. THERE ARE NO SIMILAR LAND USER-INITIATEDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NO OTHER PROPERTY OWNER IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS PROPOSING TO INVITE FOLKS FROM OUTSIDE OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO COME HERE FOR A PARTY OR EVENT IN ORDER TO GENERATE REVENUE. SPOT ZONING EXCEPTIONS SEEMS CONTRARY TO LAND USE PLANNING. NEIGHBORHOOD NOISE ISSUES SEEM LIKELY EVEN ASSUMING THE BEST INTENT AND EFFORT BY THE EVENT VENUE OPERATOR. EVENT VENUE USERS MAY OR MAY NOT COOPERATE WITH MANAGERS OF THE VENUE TO CONTROL THE NUMBER AND NOISE OR ACTIONS OF THEIR ATTE ATTENDEES. EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A PARTY EVERY YEAR. WE TOLERATE IN THE HOPES OUR NEIGHBORS WILL RESIPERATE WHEN IT'S OUR TIME TO PARTY. APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL EVENT USE, THIS OCCASIONAL NUISANCE INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON A REGULAR BASIS. THE SUCCESS OF THIS DEPENDS UPON HOW MANY EVENTS CAN BE ATTRACTED. FURTHER EFFORTS BY THE VENUE OPERATOR TO MODERATE NOISE SEEMS LIKE A DISCOURAGED FUTURE BOOKINGS.
FINAL TRAFFIC ISSUES APPEAR SIGNIFICANT >> THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION OF KINGS ROAD AND KINGS ESTATE ROAD AND DOBS ROAD TO THE NORTH PROVIDES ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE AT LEAST 572 PLATTED LOTS IN OAK BROOK, OAK RIDGE ROAD, ANDREW AVENUE AND VICTORIA. THERE ARE SEVERAL PLOTS LIKE THE ONE YOU'RE CONSIDERING TODAY THAT CAN BE SUBDIVIDED TO ADD DWELLING UNITS DEPENDENT ON THIS
SINGLE ACCESS POINT >> EXCUSE ME, SIR, I THINK NUMBER ONE, THAT'S THREE MINUTES WHICH WE LIMIT EACH SPEAKER TO. I THINK EACH OF US RECEIVED THAT.
>> HE JUST ASKED ME TO READ IT. THREE MINUTES ARE UP AND WE ALL RECEIVED IT.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU.
NEXT PLEASE. >> NAME AND ADDRESS. I'M MICHAEL GRACE, 3111 MACK ROAD. GENTLEMEN, I'M A VIETNAM VETERAN AND THANK YOU WHAT YOU DID FOR THE NEW FACILITIES. I ALREADY USED IT. I'M STILL THE SAME OPINION OF NOT WANTING THIS CHANGE IN THE ZONING FOR THE REASONS OF THE TRAFFIC AND THE NOISE.
ALSO THEY'RE GOING TO REDO THE CULVERT RIGHT WITHIN ABOUT 200 FEET OF THAT ENTRANCE.
IN THE NEXT I THINK IT'S TOWARDS THE EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR OR NEXT YEAR WHERE I THAT HAVE TO BUILD A NEW ROAD WHICH IS REALLY GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
THE OTHER ITEM THAT CAME UP AS I WAS SITTING HERE. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT FOR SPECIAL NEEDS KIDS AND THINGS. THAT BARN IS OLD. I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT BARN IS A SAFE ISSUE FOR PEOPLE WITH WHEEL CHAIRS OR SPECIAL NEED KIDS. SO, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. BUT, THAT FACILITY THERE IS OLD. AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S A SAFE FACILITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN THEIR FOR EVEN AT NIGHT FOR ADULTS THAT ARE MAYBE NOT EVEN SOBER AS THEY SHOULD BE. FOR CHILDREN AND HANDICAP, THAT FACILITY I DON'T THINK IS A GOOD ITEM FOR THAT. SO, ANYWAY. I HAVE SOME TIME LEFT OVER, I
WILL LET SOMEBODY ELSE TIME. >> THANK YOU.
SIR. FOR THE RECORD, IT'S NOT TRANSFERRABLE BUT GO AHEAD.
EVERYBODY HAS GOT THREE MINUTES OR LESS. >> BILL WELDON, PROPERTY OWNER, 2445 A KINGS ROAD. I'M HERE TO ASK YOU ACCEPT THE PZA'S DENIAL OF THE SPECIAL USE VARIANCE. THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING WHEN THEY MADE THE DENIAL.
THIS IS COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE USE. THAT CAN COEXIST IN A STABLE FASHION OVER TIME AND NOT DIRECTLY IMPACT THE USES. THIS HAS POTENTIALLY A LOT OF NEGATIVE ISSUES AND NEGATIVE IMPACTS, IMPACTING THE CHARACTERISTICSES INCLUDING EXCESS NOISE AND LIGHT AND POTENTIAL HABITAT DAMAGE FROM CRAZY PARTIES.
THE FACT IT'S AN UNLISTED USE DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN MAGICALLY TRANSFORM TO A SPECIAL USE.
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THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS VERY VAGUE. LOOSELY WORDED AND WE WONDER HOW IT CAN BE ENFORCED. IF 50 GUESTS PLUS VENDORS? WHO KNOWS WHAT THE NUMBER IS GOING TO BE. LET'S BE CLEAR. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE THAT'S GOING TO BE SUBJECTED ON TO THE RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH OPEN RURAL AND IT'S GOING TO BE NEGATIVE TO THE PEOPLE. THE ONLY THING ABOUT THE RURAL PROPERTY, IT HAS A SHED THAT LOOKS LIKE A BARN. IT'S A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE IN DISGUISE AS FAR AS I CAN SEE.AND THE IDEA OF THE CULTURAL ACTIVITIES IS FANTASTIC. WHY DOES THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN UNTIL 11:00 P.M. ON A FRIDAY NIGHT WHERE THERE COULD BE ALCOHOL INVOLVED? THOSE SPECIAL USES, YOU DON'T NEED ALCOHOL AND THEY DON'T NEED TO BE OUT THERE AT 11 O'CLOCK.
THE LAST POTENTIAL USE FOR THIS ZONING IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
SPECIAL RECEPTIONS, MEETING, CORPORATE, NONPRIVATE, ELOPEMENT.
WHATEVER THAT IS. YOU DON'T ELOPE WITH 50 PEOPLE. GRADUATION AND BIRTHDAY PARTIES.
THESE EVENTS ARE IN HIGH DEMAND. IT'S NOT LONG UNTIL THE PROFIT CAN BE USED TO MAXIMIZE THEIR RETURN. LET ME SAY THERE ARE A LOT OF LETTERS FOR THE PROJECT.
I WILL PUT THIS UP. THE MAJORITY CAME FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY ARE MILES AWAY. THEY NEVER WILL BE AFFECTED AND FRANKLY SOME OF THEM ARE EVEN PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN EVENTS THEMSELVES.
SO THERE'S AN ADVANTAGE FOR THEM. ANOTHER EVENT PLACE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. THE EVENT PLACE, WE ARE WORRIED THAT WILL TURN INTO A MEG EVENT PLACE. IF IT WAS EDUCATIONAL, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
THE APPLICANT HAS FROM ALL ACCOUNTS A VERY GOOD REPUTATION, BUT THIS HAS TO BE JUDGED ON THE
MERITS THE PROJECT NOT HER PERSONAL RECORD WHICH COULD BE >> THANK YOU SIR.
>> THANK YOU SIR. >> WE SHOULD JUDGE ON THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
TIME. >> RIGHT. IF THE GENTLEMEN WOULD PUT THAT
LITTLE MAP INTO THE HERE. >> OH, YEAH.
>> NEXT PLEASE, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS ROSS KEMPER.
2860 KINGS ROAD JUST A COUPLE DOORS DOWN FROM THE PROJECT. WE HAVE BEEN THERE 38 YEARS NOW.
WE MOVED THERE BECAUSE IT WAS A NICE COUNTRY QUIET SETTING AND IT IS QUITE A BUSY NEIGHBORHOOD NOW. AND WE REALLY DON'T NEED A LOT MORE ADDED TO IT LIKE THIS.
MY MAIN AND MY WIFE'S MAIN OBJECTION TO THIS IS YOU REZONE THIS OR GIVE THEM PERMISSION TO DO THIS MIGHT OPEN THE DOOR FOR OTHER PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO WANT TO DO SIMILAR PROJECTS AND THE NEXT THING, ANOTHER ONE, MAYBE TWO POP UP AROUND THERE AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS COVERED ALL THE OTHER ISSUES, THE TRAFFIC AND TO DO POSSIBLE NOISE AT NIGHT AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S A GOOD PURPOSE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT SHOULD STAY A NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT HAVE A BUSINESS MOVE INTO IT LIKE
GOOD AFTERNOON GENTLEMEN, MY NAME IS SHAUN ARNOLD. I LIVE AT 2888 KINGS ROAD.
RIGHT IN THE CORNER. THE 90 DEGREE CORNER. I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ALL BEEN SAID. BUT SPEAKING FROM MY PERSON, MISS O'HARE IS VERY POLITE. NO , I DID NOT WALK THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ANY OF MY CONCERN. MY CONCERN IS THE ROAD, THE TRAFFIC, THE PEOPLE GETTING IN WRECKS. I PULLED PEOPLE OUT OF CARS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
I LIVED THERE FOR 23 YEARS. I PULLED PEOPLE OUT OF WRECKED CARS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE BECAUSE WHEN THEY COME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY ARE FINE AND SEE ALL THIS.
WHEN THEY LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S DARK AND THEY DON'T SEE THEM AND THEY HAVE BEEN DRINKING OR WHATEVER THE CASE. AND BAM, MY PROPERTY IS NOT THE ONE THAT RECEIVES THE WORSE. I HAVE HAD THEM TAKE OUT MY ENTIRE FENCE.
THE ELDERLY COUPLE THAT LIVES BESIDE ME TAKE THE BRUNT OF ALL THE PEOPLE COMING OUT AND
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WRECKING. BUT LIKE I SAID, EVERYBODY HAS BEEN SAID.ALL THE NEGATIVES. I DID WANT TO JUST SAY THAT MISS SALLY IS VERY NICE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE QUESTIONING HERE. WE JUST WANT TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S ALREADY CRAZY BUSY. I SOMETIMES WAIT THREE, FOUR, FIVE MINUTES TO GET OUT OF MY OWN DRIVEWAY ON KINGS ROAD IN THE MORNING.
SO MUCH SO, I DON'T LEAVE THE HOUSE UNTIL AFTER 8 O'CLOCK. I'M LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE MY OWN BUSINESS. I HAVE RETIRED MILITARY. I LEAVE AFTER 8 O'CLOCK OR BEFORE 7 O'CLOCK BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS SO HORRENDOUS AND GETTING WORSE EVERY DAY.
I KNOW SHE'S TOLD ME THAT MISS O'HARE TOLD ME HER REASON FOR DOING THIS AND I FEEL FOR HER IN THIS RESPECT. I DON'T NEED TO BRING THAT UP TO Y'ALL.
THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT. IT'S NOT. THE PZA THEY TURNED IT DOWN.
FOR GOOD REASON. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE BACK HERE.
I'M NOT A GOVERNMENT GUY, A POLITICS GUY. IN MY OPINION, RULES ARE RULES AND LAWS ARE LAW. YOU FOLLOW THEM. THAT'S HOW WE SURVIVE.
WE'RE BACK HERE AGAIN AND I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE TURN IT DOWN AGAIN.
ONCE AND FOR THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
SIR. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ROBERT HERRING.
MY FAMILY'S HOME IS 3120, VICTORIA DRIVE. BASICALLY A STONE'S THROW AWAY FROM THIS WHERE THIS EVENT CENTER WILL BE. THE ZONING DEPARTMENT DENIED THIS FOR MANY REASONS AND I STAND BEHIND ALL THE REASONS. SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS AS FAR AS PUBLIC SAFETY, A LOT OF THINGS HAVEN'T BEEN MENTIONED IN THIS AND IT'S THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ALONG THE ROADWAY. IT BE A RESIDENTIAL AREA, THERE'S A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AS WELL AS BICYCLES. THE PEOPLE ON THE ROAD THE SPECIALIST IS 30 MILES AN HOUR.
BUT LEAVING THE HOUSE THIS MORNING. I TYPICALLY DRIVE 30 MILES AN HOUR DOWN IT. HERE COMES A CAR ON MY BACK END AND FOLLOWED ME ALL THE WAIT OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN. TE EVENT ITSELF IS PRETTY MUCH OUT OF PLACE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND THEN THE FOLKS COMING AND GOING TO THE EVENT CENTER AS WELL AS THE NOISE. BUT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO
ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.
>> I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS EXACTLY WORKS. >> MY NAME IS GARY WHITTINGTON.
I LIVE AT 2945 KINGS ROAD. I LIVED THERE APPROXIMATELY 31 YEARS AND THE GENERAL AREA OVER 40. MY MAIN CONCERNS TODAY OF COURSE IS THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE EVERYBODY ELSE TALKED ABOUT. AND THE OTHER CONCERN IS THE NOISE POLLUTION.
THAT'S WHAT THIS MAP IS ABOUT. WHERE HER BARN IS AND WHERE SEVERAL OF THE RESIDENTS LIVE IS ACROSS A BIG RAVINE AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP. AS NOISE COMES ACROSS, THE MUSIC OR PA SYSTEM OR WHATEVER IS GOING ON, IT'S GOING TO COME RIGHT ACROSS THE WATER.
THAT'S PRETTY EASILY RECOGNIZABLE. MY HOUSE IS ONLY ABOUT 450 FEET FROM HER PROPERTY LINE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ANOTHER 100 FEET WE'RE STILL GOING HERE.
QUITE A BIT OF NOISE COMING THROUGH HERE. IT'S CRAZY I THINK WITH THE PA SYSTEM, YOU KNOW AND THE BANDS POSSIBLY PLAYING UNTIL 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
ALL THE RESIDENTS WILL BE IMPACTED. ALMOST ALL WEDDINGS HAVE PA SYSTEMS. SOUND SYSTEMS. DISC JOCKEYS, MUSIC.
10 O'CLOCK, 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WILL BE HARD TO DEAL WITH. DEPENDING ON THE WIND DIRECT, THESE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO GET ALL THIS SOUND AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS WILL BE AFFECTED AT SOME POINT. WHO IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NOISE POLLUTION AND MONITOR THE NOISE POLLUTION? SO, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T? THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS OVERWHELMED. OUR TAXPAYERS DOLLARS SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING THE
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SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT COME OUT THERE FOR NOISE POLLUTION. ANOTHER BIG CONCERN IS ACCESS TO AND FROM THE EVENTS AS EVERYBODY HAS TALKED ABOUT AND WE ALL HEARD.SO, THERE'S HUNDREDS OF HOMES THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THE ROAD PROVIDES ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT. SO, MY CONCERN IS THAT THE CURVES, THE BLIND SPOTS, BIG SAFETY ISSUES. BIKE PATHS. THERE'S NONE.
THERE'S PLENTY OF DEER. ONE GOT RUN OVER THE OTHER DAY. IF A CRASH HAPPENS ON KINGS ROAD AND MACK, CAN PROHIBIT EMERGENCY VEHICLES FROM ACCESSING THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE PAST THAT INTERSECTION. I WOULD PLEASE SAY NO TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IF I HAVE A FEW MORE SECONDS. AFTER THE PZA'S DECISION, THE APPLICANT ACKNOWLEDGED THE RESIDENTS IN ATTENDANCY AND THIS VARIANCE WAS SOUGHT FOR A FOR-PROFIT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
HI, MY NAME IS TED MACK LAMORE. I AM ONE IN FAVOR OF THIS, I HOPE YOU WILL SAY YES TO THIS EDIT. I HAVE BEEN ON THE PROPERTY MANY TIMES.
I HAVE DONE WORK FOR MISS O'HARE, JUST TO PUT IN PERSPECTIVE, THE HOUSE IS ABOUT 400 FEET FROM THE ROAD. I CAN'T BARELY SEE THEIR HOUSE FROM THE ROAD, KINGS ROAD.
BEHIND THAT IS A MODEST GARAGE AND BEHIND THAT IS THE BARN. I HAVE BEEN HEARING THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE NOISE. YOU REALLY COULD NOT HEAR ANYTHING FROM INSIDE THE BARN TO THE ROAD. I KNOW THERE'S TRAFFIC CONCERNS. I SAW PRELIMINARY PLAN FROM MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP. I THINK THERE WILL BE TWO INGRESSES AND EGRESSES AND SHOULD ELIMINATE THE CONCERNS. I HOPE YOU WILL SAY YES. I MET THE APPLICANT'S MANY TIMES. THEY ARE NOT CAPITALISTS OR TRYING TO MONETIZE THIS THING.
THEY ARE EDUCATORS AND ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE A VENUE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION TO A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS A PERFECT FIT FOR THAT. SO, HOPE YOU'LL APPROVE THE REQUEST. THANKS. THANK YOU, SIR.
NEXT PLEASE. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AS WE CAN
MOVED AHEAD. YES, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS BOBBY HALL. 2945 KINGS ROAD. LOT B.
AND I AM HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THE PZA IN THEIR DECISION TO DENY THE REQUEST.
THAT'S THE MAPPED DEPICTING THE 300 FEET AND THAT LITTLE ORANGE DOT BACK THERE AT 350 FEET THROUGH THE WOODS. AND I REALLY ENJOY MY SERENITY WHERE I LIVE BACK THERE.
I THINK THE AGENCY APPROPRIATELY RULED AFTER LISTENING TO ALL THE TESTIMONY.
AGAIN, I AM JUST ASKING TO YOU SUPPORT THE PZA. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. YES, MA'AM. >> MY NAME IS ELIZABETH O'HARA, I'M SALLY'S DAUGHTER. I LIVE ON THE PROPERTY AND HEAR THE CONCERNS BEING SAID AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS. I WANTED TO ADDRESS A COUPLE THING.
I LIVE THE PROPERTY AS WELL WITH MY MOTHER. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING A LOT OF DISRUPTION, DISTRACTION NUISANCES, ALCOHOL AND ALL OF THAT ON THE PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I SAY IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT MAINTAINING THE ENVIRONMENT AND MAINTAINING THE PEACE AND SERENITY. I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 42 YEARS. I HAVE NO PLAN TO BRING NUISANCE ON THE AREA. AS FAR AS TRAFFIC, ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.
I HAVE ZERO CONTROL OVER THAT. WE WERE THE FIRST ONES IN THERE. IT'S BEEN ONE WAY IN AND OUT.
I DON'T THINK WE WOULD GENERATE ANY MORE TRAFFIC THAN AMAZON OR REPAIR PEOPLE COMING BACK AND FORTH FROM OAK BROOK. THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THAT COME IN AND OUT OF THERE TO PEOPLE'S HOMES WOULD BE FAR MORE THAN ANYTHING WE WOULD GENERATE. AGAIN, WE WOULD HAVE TWO WAYS IN
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AND TWO WAYS OUT OF THE PROPERTY. AS FAR AS THE BARN BEING UNSAFE, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE REDONE. WE WOULD MEET SAFETY CODES. I AM A SPECIAL EDUCATOR.THAT IS A PASSION OF MINE. I TEACH CHILDREN WITH AUTISM, I ALSO HAVE A SON WITH AUTISM.
IT IS A PASSION AND SOMETHING I WANT TO DO AND WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE SAFE FOR ANYONE TO COME AND GO. THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE DONE. THE FOCUS IS NOT WEDDINGS.
IT'S A VARIETY OF THINGS TO ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE TO COME AND ENJOY THE PROPERTY AND HAVE AN EXPERIENCE AND ENVIRONMENT TO DO THINGS NOT NECESSARILY JUST TO BE DISRUPTIVE AND A NUISANCE
YES, SIR. >> WHEN I READ THIS AT HOME, IT TOOK -- NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> I'M SORRY. FRED HARRIS. 829 KINGS ESTATE ROAD SAINT AUGUSTINE. MY SOUTH PROPERTY LINE IS COMMON WITH THE PROJECT'S NORTH PROPERTY LINE. THUS I AM ONE OF THE VIEW PROPERTIES THAT DIRECTLY ABUTS THE PROJECT. I FULLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. I VISITED THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY, I HAVE SPOKE WITH SALLY AT LENGTH. AND I AM CONVINCED THE EXTREMELY MINIMAL IMPACT IF ANY THAT THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE ON MY PROPERTY SURROUNDING PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN GENERAL JUST IS NOT GOING TO EXIST. HERE'S WHAT YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW ABOUT MAKING THE CORRECT DECISION TODAY. THIS APPLICATION FOR SPECIAL USE FOR SALLY O'HARE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MERE FORMALLITY. THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN USED ALMOST FOREVER AS A SMALL BUSINESS LOCATION. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED OPEN RURAL AND SALLY HAS RUN A BUSINESS AT THIS ADDRESS FOR YEARS WITHOUT CONTENTION.
FOR 24 YEARS, SALLY AND HER FAMILY HAVE BEEN OUTSTANDING RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS.
FOR 44 YEARS, THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. FOR 40 PLUS YEARS, SALLY AND I HAVE SEEN THE DETERIORATION OF FIVE ACRE PROPERTY. THE COUNTY ALLOWED THEM TO BREAK THE FIVE ACRE COVENANT. NEITHER SALLY OR I HAVE BROKEN THE COVENANTS.
I HAVE LIVED AT MY CURRENT ADDRESS SINCE 1984, MAKING ME A MORE TENURED RESIDENT THAN MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKE OUT AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
IF SILENCE IS CONSENT, THEN CERTAINLY HUNDREDS OF NEIGHBORS DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS PROPOSAL AT ALL. SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE PROPOSAL, THE BIGGEST ARGUMENT OF THE PROPOSAL WAS TRAFFIC. THE SECOND BIGGEST WAS FEAR OF NOISE.
THE THIRD QUESTION WAS ENFORCEMENT OF THE RESTRICTIONS. ALTHOUGH TRAFFIC IS NOT ON THE AGENDA AND A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT IT, IT'S ABSURD TO BELIEVE THIS WILL CAUSE A TRAFFIC ISSUE. THE COUNTY ALLOWED OAK BROOK TO BE DEVELOPED AND THE COUNTY HAS DONE NOTHING TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC. ALL THE NEW FOLKS DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING THEY CONTRIBUTE TO. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT A VALID ARGUMENT. REGARDING THE EXCESSIVE NOISE. ONE ONLY HAS TO SPEAK WITH SALLY TO REALIZE SHE'S AGAINST EXCESSIVE NOISE. SHE LIVES THERE.
EVERYONE LIKES OUR PEACE AND QUIET. AND IN NO WAY SHOULD THIS BE A VALID COMPLAINT UNTIL IT'S PROVEN TO BE VALID. SOMETHING WE SERIOUSLY DOUBT WILL HAPPEN. REGARDING THE ENFORCEMENT REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
ONE MUST REMEMBER, SALLY O'HARE HAS BEEN A STELLAR CITIZEN. >> SIR, EVERYBODY GETS THREE
MINUTES AND I CAN'T BREAK THE RULE. >> A GOOD PERSON IS A GOOD
PERSON. >> SALLY IS A GOOD PERSON. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? >> NAME AND ADDRESS AND THREE MINUTES.
>> MARY CARVER, I LIVE AT 2824 PINE ACRES ROAD. AT THE CORNER OF .7 PINE ACRES.
SALLY'S PROPERTY BACKED UP TO .7. I HAVE KNOWN HER SINCE I MOVED HERE IN 1986. THEY HAD THE FISH FARM OUT THERE.
I WORKED WITH THEM FOR YEARS. UNTIL THEY DISCONTINUED THE FISH BUSINESS.
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I'M SCARED TO BE UP HERE SO BEAR WITH ME. >> YOU'RE GOOD.
YOU'RE GOOD. GO AHEAD, MA'AM. >> I HELPED HER.
SHE VOLUNTEERS AND SETS UP EVENTS ALL OVER THE COUNTY FOR DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
SHE WOULD NEVER PERMIT AND LOUD DRINKING OR PARTIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVENTS WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE IN A LITTLE BUILDING.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HOLD VERY MANY PEOPLE SO THEY'RE SMALL EVENTS. THERE WON'T BE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC IN IT. AND OUT, IT'S NOT LIKE HAVING A LITTLE CHAMP THERE WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING ALL DAY. PEOPLE COMING IN FOR A COUPLE HOURS NOW AND THEN.
SO, ANYWAY. LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT BEHIND HER, I AM FOR
FURTHER SPEAKERS? ONE OF YOU NEED -- >> WELL, WE HAVE ONE OF US --
>> FLIP A COIN. ONE OF YOU NEED TO GO FIRST. WELL THIS IS INTERESTING.
LADIES PLEASE COMING FORWARD OR WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA HERE. PLEASE COME FORWARD. THE
>> THERE'S A GAME FOLKS. YOU GET TO KNOW THE GAME. B.J. KLATY, WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, 8 NEW COME. WHEN THE DEVELOPER SAID SOMETHING IT'S GOING TO BE CALLED AN ACTIVITY CENTER, SO, CAN WE PUT IN HERE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, NO WEDDINGS, NO MUSIC. NO AMPLIFICATION. I'M CONCERNED WHEN I SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO PEOPLE SAY THERE HAVE BEEN EVENTS ALREADY. WHAT KIND OF EVENTS HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT PERMISSION? AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT DOWN TO 50 GUESTS.
AGAIN, WHO IS GOING TO ENFORCE ALL THIS STUFF? THEY SAID 12 TO 25 CARS.
ONE PERSON. NOW WE'RE UP TO 27 SAME PERSON. AND ARE THESE CARS AND THE PARKING AREA GOING TO BE ADA COMPLIANT. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S ONLY 50 PEOPLE COMING. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT DOWN TO 50 PEOPLE.
I'M ASKING THAT YOU UPHOLD THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.
THESE PICTURES, THIS IS A BARN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT BARN.
BUT IT CAME IN HERE AND IT'S DOWN THERE AT 7310 U.S. 1 SOUTH. THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF EVENTS DOWN THERE. I THINK THIS IS SPECIAL EVENT VENUES AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE BALLOON GLOW GALA. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE DELICIOUS FOOD.
UNLIMITED BEER AND WINE. SPECIALTY COCKTAILS. LIVE MUSIC, AX THROWING.
THEN THIS GETS BETTER. I DON'T ATTEND THESE. OUTLAW GALA.
SAME PLACE. SEPTEMBER 24TH. RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS TO HELP OUT A 501 C 3. SAME PLACE AT THE BARN.
LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. AND OPEN BAR. PRIZES, SILENT AUCTION.
BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CASINO. NOW, THIS IS WHERE I GET CONCERNED ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS UNLESS YOU ZERO IN ON THIS ONE AND MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO THERE. WE NEED TO UPHOLD THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MS. SASHA.
YOU WON THE GAME. THANK YOU, NEXT. NAME AND ADDRESS.
NAME AND ADDRESS. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THESE, OKAY.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY,
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>> SASHA. I'M SORRY SORRY. SASHA MARTIN.
133 COASTAL HOLLOW CIRCLE. YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, TO ENHANCE PROPERTY WITH A UNIQUE EVENT VENUE FOR SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY.
THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE A LOW KEY EVENT LOCATION LIKE THIS ONE.
VISITS, RESIDENTS, STUDENTS, CAN GATHER HERE TO SHARE A MEMORABLE EXPERIENCE WITHIN A NATURAL SETTING SURROUNDING YOU. THREE ACRES OF THE 14 ACRE PROPERTY HAS HAD UNDER BRUSH CLEARED LIKE YOU CAN SEE THERE. JUST ENOUGH TO LET PEOPLE, VEHICLES AND WILDLIFE WANDER ABOUT. IT HAS LARGE UN DEVELOPED PROPERTIES ON ALL SIDES.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, FROM THIS PHOTO, AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE ENTRANCE GATE, YOU PARK RANDOMLY ON A STABILIZED BED OF PINE NEEDLES, YOU CAN HEAR BIRDS CALLING TO ONE ANOTHER AS THEY SOAR OVERHEAD TO THE TREE CANOPY. THE BARN BUILDING WHICH IS TO BE RESTORED, WAS FORMALLY USED TO GIVE BIRTH TO TROPICAL FISH. SO IT WAS A BUSINESS AT ONE TIME. AND ALSO THE WALLS ARE CONCRETE. WHICH PREVENTS SOUND FROM BEING BROADCAST OUTSIDE. I ATTENDED A THEMED PHOTO SHOOT THERE.
HERE'S SOME OF THE PHOTOGRAPHERS. THAT WAS IN JULY.
ABOUT A DOZEN PHOTOGRAPHERS SHOT SCENES AMONG THE TREES AND HERE IS, THEY HAD A MODEL.
THEY HAD ALL KINDS OF BACKGROUND IMPLEMENTS FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS TO USE.
HERE'S SOME CHILDREN WHO ARE MODELS WITH A LITTLE WHITE PONY. THEY ARE HAVING THE TIME OF THEIR LIVES. AND HERE IS ANOTHER VIEW OF SOME OF THE PROPS THAT WERE USED WITH THE MODELS FOR PHOTOGRAPHY. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, A WONDERFUL UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN EDUCATION VENUE. SO I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE ALLOW THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR THE ACTIVITY PERMIT FOR THIS ACTIVITY CENTER IN THIS OPEN RURAL LOCATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. OKAY.
I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT IS COMPLETE ON
ITEM 5. >> OKAY. THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR.
PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED AND BACK TO THE APPLICANT. >> THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY THAT TOOK TIME OUT OF THEIR DAY ON COME OUT AND SPEAK.
WHETHER FOR THE PROJECT OR AGAINST. I DID WANT TO SHARE A MAP THAT MY CLIENT PRODUCED SINCE SHE HAS BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK IN BETWEEN THE PZA HEARING AND THE APPEAL TO BRING FOLKS ON TO THE PROPERTY, EAT WITH THEM. FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND I'M JUST GOING TO SHARE THIS FOR THE RECORD. JUST GRAPHICALLY, THE COLORS MEAN KIND OF WHAT I THINK THEY MEAN. GREEN IS FOR THE PROJECT.
RED IS AGAINST THE PROJECT. THE YELLOW IS NEUTRAL AND THE ORANGE IS A LOT OF POND SPACE I BELIEVE SOME NATURAL AREA. BUT AT ANY RATE. I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO GAVE SPATIAL PERSPECTIVE. I ALSO, I DIDN'T GO INTO DETAIL WITH THIS.
I DIDN'T WANT TO BELABOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNS BROUGHT UP ABOUT NOISE AND ADJACENCY, I DID WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THE SITE PLAN WHICH SHOWS THE EXACT LINEAR FOOTAGE OF BUFFERS. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S OVER
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200 FEET GOING EASTWARD JUST TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN ADJACENT HOUSES ARE MUCH FURTHER THAN THAT TO THE WEST. THE CLOSER PROPERTY LINE YOU'VE GOT 100 -- 131 FEET AT THE SMALLEST AREA FROM THE ACTIVITY AND BEYOND THAT ON OPEN POINT SETTER ROAD WHICH IS HEAVILY TREED AND THAT'S NOT PROPOSED TO BE OPENED UP. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.I WILL TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS QUI QUICKLY EMPLOYMENTEDMENT -- WANTED TO STAY, THIS IS NOT A ZONING CHANGE BUT A REUSE OF AN EXISTING BARN THAT MEETING THE LAND CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT LACK OF SPECIFICITY. WANTED TO RUN THROUGH THIS QUICKLY AS WHAT WOULD BE EXECUTED AS APPROPRIATE USES WHEN WE DEFINE THIS ACTIVITY CENTER.
ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION CENTER. INSTRUCTING EDUCATORS AND HANDLING SPECIAL NEEDS STUDENTS AND I'M PARAPHRASING A LITTLE BIT HERE FOR TIME. MENTORING FOR AUTISTIC TEACHERS AND STUDENTS. PROVIDING WORKSHOP. SMALL GROUP GATHERINGS OR FIELD TRIPS. ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION. SMALL COMMUNITY GROUPS.
HOSTING SPECIAL ACTIVITIES LIKE STORY TELLING AND GATHERINGS. HOSTING STYLE SHOOTS.
NON-PROFIT BOARD MEETINGS. SPECIAL RECEPTION MEETINGS. THAT'S THE INTENT HERE.
I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH MY CLIENT AS PUBLIC COMMENT WERE TALKING AND DID CLARIFY THEY WERE PHOTOGRAPHERS ON THE SITE AND WERE NOT PAID. THEY WERE THERE TO TAKE PHOTOS ON THE SITE. I DID JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. IN TERMS OF THE REQUEST, I KNOW THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT SETTING PRECEDENCE.
I DID WANT TO REITERATE ONE OF COMMENTS THAT CAME UP FROM FRED HARRIS AND THAT THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT IS DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL. TYPICALLY WHEN YOU SEE A SPECIAL EVENT OR BARN, YOU'RE USUALLY AN AGRICULTURAL LANDS OR YOU HAVE A LIMITED USES THAT YOU CAN DO.
THIS SITUATION IS OPEN RURAL BUT IT'S IN A RESIDENTIALLY DESIGNATED LAND USE DESIGNATION WHICH CONTRAINS SOME OF THE USE CATEGORIES CAN CULTURAL INSTITUTION IS ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES. THAT IS WHY WE CAME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO LOOK AT SOME KIND OF ALTERNATE USE FOR THIS EXISTING STRUCTURE. UNLIKE SOME OF THE PROPERTIES YOU MAY HAVE SEEN OR THE BARN THAT WAS SHARED EARLIER AS AN EXAMPLE, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT COULD BY RIGHT DEVELOP A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AND IT COULD BE PARCELED OFF WITHOUT HAVING ENTITLEMENTS NEEDED. THAT IS NOT THE INTENTION OF THIS PROPERTY OWNER. THEY HAVE LIVED HERE SINCE THE 1970S.
THEY ARE SIMPLY LOOKING FOR A WAY TO MAKE ANCILLARY INCOME FOR A NON-COMMERCIAL ACCESSORY USE TO THE SITE WHERE THEIR HOMES ARE IN EXISTENCE TODAY. I DID WANT TO MENTION THERE WAS A NOTE ABOUT THE BUILDING. THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FULL PERMITS PROCESS WHICH REQUIRES A LAND DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AS WELL AS A BUILDING PERMIT.
MS. O'HARA IS NOT INTENDING TO USE THE BARN AS IS. IT WILL BE REHABILITATED TO MEET THIS USE FOR SAFETY REASONS. IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC. I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THAT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPACTS ALREADY. I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT, I BELIEVE THAT COUNTY STAFF DID RESEARCH AS WELL. THEY WERE FOUR ACCIDENTS ON KINGS ROAD WITHIN A FIVE YEAR INCREMENT. FROM 2016 TO 2021, TWO WERE DURING THE NIGHT TIME HOURS, TWO WERE DURING THE DAY TIME HOURS AND NONE OF THEM WERE ALCOHOL RELATED SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION. AS FAR AS THE ALCOHOL QUESTION, MY CLIENT IS NOT INTENDING TO SERVE ALCOHOL ON THE PROPERTY OR APPLY FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOL AS PART OF HER ENTITY. SHE'S LIMITING TO THE SPECIAL EVENT CENTER. AS FAR AS THE PROVISIONS FOR ALCOHOL USE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE HANDLED ON AN EVENT BY EVENT BASIS LIKE ANY OTHER EVENT WOULD WITHIN THE COUNTY AND WOULD HAVE
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TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE. THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING SPACES VERSUS THE TRAFFIC. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT TYPICAL WOULD BE 12 TO 25 TRIPS.HOWEVER, JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT IS ON THE SITE PLAN IS 27 PARKING SPACES AND ACCOMMODATES 25 REGULAR SPACES AND THEN TWO WHICH WILL BE PAVED IN ORDER TO BE ADA COMPLIANT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I WILL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CHAIR. IF I MAY, THERE WAS ONE QUESTION I HAD FOR MS. ACEVEDO.
JUST -- >> WELL, BEFORE WE GET THERE. I WANT TO SEE THE COMMISSIONER,
GO AHEAD. >> RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THIS SLIDE. THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT SAID, NOT COMMERCIAL, HERE IT IS.
THE BOTTOM BULLET, THE FAMILY-RUN BUSINESS. SO THE BOTTOM PART.
NO HIRED EMPLOYEES. NOT A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE. IN OTHER WORDS, THERE MAYBE, THERE MAYBE PAID FOR EVENTS BUT NOT A MANAGEMENT COMPANY MANAGING THE PROPERTY.
IS THAT WHAT THAT >> YES, THAT'S >> OKAY.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. >> IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE SLIDE OF PERMITTED USES. BUT NOW THE EDUCATIONAL PART FOR THE KIDS BE COVERED BY RIGHT? IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY. I'M ASKING LEGAL. I'M SORRY.
COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION. I MISSED THAT. >> EVERYTHING, MOST EVERYTHING HAS BEEN TOUTED AS A SCHOOL EDUCATIONAL THING. WOULD THAT NOT BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT UNDER OR? IF YOU CAN HAVE A SCHOOL UNDER OR OR SPECIAL CARE HOUSING.
COMMUNITY CENTER. WOULD THAT BE COVERED BY RIGHT OR NO?
>> APPARENTLY STAFF DID NOT BELIEVE SO BECAUSE THERE ARE A VARIETY OF USES PROPOSED.
THEY WILL BE EDUCATING TEACHERS, HAVING EVENTS AND ORGANIZATIONAL MEETINGS.
SO I THINK THERE ARE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN WHAT IS LISTED AS OF RIGHT AND THERE ARE DIFFERENCES TOO. THEY ERED ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION.
>> JUST TO ME, A LOT OF CONCERNS ARE NIGHT TIME USES. WEDDINGS.
DRINKING. AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY COMPLAIN ABOUT CHILDREN COMING IN THE DAY TIME FOR SCHOOL ACTIVITIES. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING, WELL, THERE WAS A COUPLE YES. THAT'S THE ONE THING I'M WONDERING. WHAT KIND OF HAPPY MEDIUM COULD POSSIBLY BE MET IN THE PROGRAM?
THANK YOU. >> WELL AND I'M GOING TO JUMP IN.
I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK ON THIS. I UNDERSTAND STAFF WANTED TO ERROR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION.
>> YOU'RE RIGHT. WHAT IS ALLOWED ON THE CHART IS ALLOWED AS OF RIGHT.
>> AND I'M GOING TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER WALDRON SAID, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYONE WITH A COMPLAINT ABOUT CHILD AND ADULT CARE. SPECIAL CARE HOUSING.
MUSEUMS AND ART GALLERIES. FIRE POLICE STATIONS. PRIVATE CLUBS.
COMMUNITY CENTERS, LIBRARIES, CHURCHES AND SYNAGOGUES. COUNTRY CLUBS.
GOLF CLUBS. ALL THAT WAS KIND OF AGAIN NOT TO PAIR WHAT I HEARD WAS CONCERNS ABOUT ALCOHOL, NOISES AND PROPERTIES. ANYWAY.
COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I APOLOGIZE. I WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.
JEREMIAH -- SAINT AUGUSTINE. THAT WAS THE ISSUE WHEN WE STARTED.
THERE WAS AMBIGUITY WHEN WE STARTED. I WOULD ARGUE THE POSITION YOU HAVE TAKEN, WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED IS ALREADY ALLOWABLE AND DOES NOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. HOWEVER AND THIS GETS BACK TO THE CITIZENSHIP OF SALLY O'HARA, SHE WANTED TO MAKE SURE SHE WAS COMPLIANT AND GO FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
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YES, I WOULD CERTAINLY AGREE THE WAY THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS DRAFTED AND WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE CERTAINLY ALLOWS THIS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.EACH OF THEM HAVE A SEPARATE ORDINANCE THAT DEALS WITH SPECIAL EVENTS AND SPECIFICALLY AND SAYS WHAT DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORIES THEY'RE ALLOWED IN AND HOW THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE CONDUCTED. THEY HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION ALREADY IN THERE.
OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THE COUNTY DOESN'T REALLY POSSESS THAT.
SO BUT, IF FROM A LAWYER'S PERSPECTIVE TRYING TO FIT IT IN THERE, I THINK ABSOLUTELY.
WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO FITS INTO THE OTHER CATEGORIES ALL ALLOWABLE BY RIGHT.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION MR. MULLIGAN. I'M THINKING THE SAME THING.
MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHNG WE NEED TO LOOK AT A SEPARATE PART LOOKED AT.
I THINK YOU BRING UP A GREAT POINT. COMMISSIONER SMITH.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I MEAN WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO HAS PUT A LOT OF TIME.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR PERSPECTIVE. IF YOU HAVE INPUT FROM THE PZA
AND THE HEARINGS THERE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU.
>> GREG MATTA VINA. I DID VOTE AGAINST THIS AT PZA. BUT I GUESS, BEFORE I ADDRESS MY OWN PERSONAL THOUGHTS ON IT, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I THINK THE TENOR OF THE PZA ORIGINALLY WAS THIS IS SOMETHING THEY PROBABLY WOULD APPROVE. THEN AS THE TESTIMONY WENT ON AND AS WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC, THE STORY JUST KEPT KIND OF CHANGING.
AND SO IF I COULD I GUESS USE AN ANALOGY HERE, TWO ANALOGIES TO DEMONSTRATE WHY WE VOTED AGAINST THIS. I DIDN'T ALLOW MY TEENAGE CHILDREN TO DRINK AND HAVE WILD PARTIES AT OUR HOUSE WHEN WE LIVED ON PUTTER'S GREEN WAY IN THE JEWELLINGTON CREEK PLANTATION. HOWEVER I DID COME HOME FROM A WEEKEND AWAY FROM MY WIFE AND THE ENTIRE MANDARIN HIGH SCHOOL WERE THERE ON THIS LITTLE STREET AND ONE OF THE KIDS WAS RIDING MY FOUR WHEELER UP AND DOWN THE GOLF COURSE. SO THAT I THINK WAS ONE OF KIND OF CONCERNS. THERE'S AN ANALOGY FOR YOU. AND THE SECOND ANALOGY THAT I WOULD MAKE IS TO THE BARN THAT WAS SHOWN UP THERE WHICH IS WHERE THE BUILDER'S GALA IS THERE. I WILL BE AN OUT LAW THERE. CHRIS' BARN FRONTS ON PHILLIPS HIGHWAY AND A HUGE PIECE OF PROPERTY. DOESN'T HAVE A BUNCH OF OTHER HOUSES AROUND IT THAT I CAN TELL. YOU CAN'T SEE ANOTHER HOUSE FROM THE BARN. THAT IS THE TENOR AND WHAT CHANGED THE VOTE IN THAT MEETING AND I WOULD STILL HAVE THOSE SAME CONCERNS. SO IF THERE IS SOME WAY TO RESTRICT THIS, NOW I'M GETTING ON TO MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION. IF THERE'S A WAY TO RESTRICT THIS TO AN EDUCATIONAL EVENT, I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. BUT YOU START GETTING INTO THESE SPECIAL EVENTS AND NOBODY CAN FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO CONTROL THAT.
>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. VERY HELPFUL.
>> BEFORE WE GO FURTHER, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO OUTLINE WHAT THE STANDARD OF REVIEW IS. WHAT OUR FRAMEWORK IS TO OPERATE.
WELL, SURE. I MAY ASK CHRISTINE HELP ME. SET OUT IN YOUR PACKAGE AGENDA ARE THESE SPECIAL EXCEPTION CRITERIA COMPATIBLE WITH THE LET'S SEE.
I THINK ON PAGE NINE OF YOUR AGENDA. SHALL NOT BE APPROVED WHERE THE SPECIAL USE OR RELATED USE OR ACTIVITY WILL BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJOINING LAND USES
>> I THINK THE BOARD HAS HEARD INFORMATION ON PROBABLY BOTH SIDES OF THAT EQUATION.
BY THE WAY, IF THE BOARD HEARING EVIDENCE ON BOTH SIDES OF EQUATION, THE BOARD TO
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PICK WHICH SIDE IS A PUBLIC POLICY IN THIS PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE.SPECIAL EVENT SHALL BE NOT GRANTED IF IT HAS A DETRIMENTAL USE ON SURROUNDING LAND USES IN RESPECT TO ODORS, NOISE, SMOKE, TRAFFIC GENERATION OR OTHER LISTED COMPATIBILITY CHARACTERISTICS. TRAFFIC GENERATED AND ITS ACCESS AND FLOW TO THE PROPOSED USE SHALL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT INGRESS AND EGRESS, DESIGNED TO CARRY LIGHTER TRAFFIC.
THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE APPLICABLE HERE. THAT'S REALLY TALKING ABOUT BIG TRUCKS I THINK. OR POSE A POTENTIAL DANGER TO THE SAFETY OF TRAFFIC PEDESTRIANS OR BICYCLISTS. SPECIAL USE SHALL BE APPROVED ONLY IN AN AREA WHERE THE ADEQUATE SERVICES ALREADY EXIST. NOT TOO FAR FROM A FIRE STATION ET CETERA.
SPECIAL USE SHALL NOT BE APPROVED IF THE SPECIAL USE OR RELATED USE ACTIVITY WILL CAUSE A NUISANCE. WITHOUT LIMITATION OF THE FOREGOING, THE FOLLOWING FACTORS SHALL BE CONSIDERED IN DETERMINING COMPATIBILITY. PERMITTED USE AND STRUCTURES ACTIVITIES ALLOWED WITHIN THE LAND USE CATEGORY ALREADY. BUILDING LOCATION DIMENSION, HIGH FLOOR RATIO, LOCATION AND EXTENT OF PARKING. TRAFFIC GENERATION, HOURS OF OPERATION. NOISE LEVELS AND OUT DOOR LIGHTING ALTERATION OF LIGHT AND AIR. SETBACKS AND BUFFERS. FENCES, AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING ET CETERA. WHETHER THE SPECIAL USE WILL COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CONCURRENCY ISSUE HERE. I DID WANT TO SAY ALSO MR. CHAIR, IS AGAIN, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AGAIN IS NOT LIKE A PUD. IF SOMEONE APPLIES FOR A PUD, THE BOARD CANNOT PUT THEM IN A PUD THEY DON'T AGREE TO EVER RECONDITION OR WHAT NOT.
IN A PUD, THE APPLICANT HAS TO AGREE TO EACH AND EVERY CONDITION IF THE BOARD WISHES TO HAVE ONE. WITH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, THE BOARD CAN IMPOSE SOME LIMITATIONS. IT CAN IMPOSE SOME HOURS OF OPERATION.
I THINK THERE'S SOME OFFERED BY THE APPLICANT HERE. I DO NOTE MR. CHAIR, THE APPLICANT HAS REALLY KIND OF LISTED OUT 10 KIND OF PROPOSED USES.
I THINK THEY WERE 10 -- OH, YEAH, HERE THEY ARE. WELL, ALL RIGHT.
SO AND I'M GOING FROM PAGE 6, I THINK OF THE APPLICANT'S SUBMITTAL HERE AND I THINK MS. ACEVEDO WENT THROUGH THESE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL 10.
THEY'RE LARGELY LISTED UP THERE ON THE BOARD. ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION CENTER, INSTRUCTING EDUCATORS. HOSTING SMALL COMMUNITY GROUPS. HOSTING SPECIAL ACTIVITIES.
I E STORY TELLER GATHERINGS. HOSTING LIVE SHOOTS. PHOTO SHOOTS.
PROBABLY NATURE PHOTOGRAPHY. NON-PROFIT BOARD MEETINGS. AND THEN SPECIAL RECEPTIONS/MEETINGS. CORPORATE NON-PROFIT GROUPS. ANNIVERSARY AND GRADUATION PARTIES AND BIRTHDAY PARTIES ET CETERA. THOSE ARE THE PROPOSED USES.
THE BOARD CAN PERMIT ALL OF THOSE. THE BOARD CAN PERMIT SOME OF
THOSE. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. >> OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW THE BOARD'S ATTENTION TO PAGE 12 UNDER APPEALS. SO WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.
PAGE 12 OUTLINES WHAT THE ACTUAL APPEAL PROCESS IS. SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WE CAN UPHOLD WHAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY HAS, FIND OTHER EVIDENCE OR RELY ON OTHER EVIDENCE. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND. THIS IS INNOVO.
THE BOARD CAN JUDGE AS IT HAS HEARD TODAY. DOESN'T HAVE TO GIVE SPECIAL
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WEIGHT TO THE PZA. THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A FINDING OF ERROR BEHALF OF THE PZA. THE BOARD IS HEARING IT NEW. ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD?COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> I'M PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE SOME OF THE SAME THOUGHTS AS COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND BLOCKER. I THINK THIS WORKS AS AN EDUCATIONAL VENUE. THE PEOPLE WHO CAME UP AND SPOKE SAID THEY WANT TO HELP CHILDREN LEARN IN A WONDERFUL FLORIDA ENVIRONMENT. THIS IS OLD FLORIDA.
I SEE THE MERIT IN THAT. I THINK THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS A WEDDING VENUE. THIS WOULD BE FANTASTIC. MY WIFE AND I GOT MARRIED UNDER A BIG OAK TREE AT A PLACE SIMILAR BUT DIDN'T HAVE HOUSES AROUND IT.
ONCE WORD GETS OUT THIS IS A WEDDING VENUE, THEY WILL BE BOOKED SOLID, EVERY FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY. WHY WOULDN'T PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE A WEDDING THERE? IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO CONTROL THE 50 GIFTS. MISS ACEVEDO DID A GOOD JOB TO ILLUSTRATE THE LOW TRAFFIC COUNT. MY CONCERN IS HAVING A WEDDINGS BEING KNOW ALLOWABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE TOO INTENSE. FOR ME, IT'S INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S SORT OF WHERE I AM ON THIS PROJECT.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING.
>> SURE. FIRST I WANT TO SAY, I HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD WITH MISS O'HARA.
SHE'S A GREAT PERSON. WORKS VERY HEARD FOR HER COMMUNITY.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO LOOK AT. I DO NOT LIKE TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE ABLE TO DO. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO COME BACK OR GO BACK THROUGH IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE PLANNING APPEAL 2021-1 SPECIAL USE APPEAL UPHOLDING THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND DENY THE REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE TO ALLOW AN EVENT CENTER AT 2985 KINGS ROAD SUBJECT TO SIX
FINDINGS OF FACT. >> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE. THAT APPEAL IS WE WILL GO BACK
[4. PFS AGREE 2021-03 Stokes Landing Townhomes Proportionate Fair Share Agreement (Part 2 of 2)]
ITEM FOUR. THANK YOU, FOR ITEM FOUR, THE PROPORTION OF FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT FOR STOKES LANDING. MY RECOMMENDATION AFTER DISCUSSING WITH THE APPLICANT IS THAT THAT COME OFF THE AGENDA TODAY, THE APPLICANT WILL RE-SUBMIT THAT FOR THE 286 UNITS AND THAT WILL COME BACK ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM AND MIGHT BE A CONSENT ITEM.>> THE AGENDA HAS BEEN APPROVED. >> I WOULD JUST VOTE TO CONTINUE IT.
YOU CAN DO THAT. >> OKAY. >> SECOND.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
[6. Public Hearing * NZVAR 2021-11 Century Acres Lane.]
>> EVERYBODY IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> I THINK YOU CAN. AT THIS POINT, IT'S
ADMINISTERIAL. >> WE DID HEAR SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC COMMENT ALREADY.
>> WE TOOK PUBLIC COMMENT. I SPECIFICALLY SAID THREE OR FOUR TIMES DOING IT ON 3 AND
FOUR. >> OKAY. SO THERE YOU GO.
YOU'RE READY TO VOTE. >> OKAY. GREAT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AGENDA ITEM SIX. THIS IS CENTTURRY ACRES LANE I PUT WHERE MR. HOLLY SMITH ON HIS PERSONAL RESIDENCE PROPERTY, REQUESTING A NON-ZONING REQUEST
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TO ADD A LOT AND THAT WOULD BE RELIEF FROM REPLAT IN ACCESS TO LOT EASEMENT ABOUT AN EIGHT ACRE PARCEL. I HAVE KNOWN THE FAMILY FOR 30 YEARS.MR. SMITH LIVEOS THE WESTERN PORTION OF IT. TWO ACRES ON THE EAST END OF THE PROPERTY LOT 11 WOULD LIKE TO BE CUT OFF FOR SALE. WE WENT THROUGH OTHER THINGS WITH CENTURY ACRES AND THE 100 FOOT EASEMENT, THAT WAS ABOUT IT MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MR. VICE CHAIR. >> YES, ON THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 2ND, AT 1 O'CLOCK, I MET WITH HOLLY SMITH TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT AND THE REQUEST THAT NONZONING VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ACCESS OVER AN EASEMENT ON TO A DRIVEWAY FOR AN ADJACENT LOT.
THAT'S ALL. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR.
COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> ON THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 16TH, AT 2 O'CLOCK, MET WITH MR. HOLLY SMITH. HE TOLD ME HIS WANTS ABOUT SPLITTING THE PROPERTY FOR A SECOND RESIDENCE FOR A FRIEND OF HIS I THINK IT WAS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE EASEMENT WHO WOULD MAINTAIN THE EASEMENT IF THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> ON THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 13TH, I MET WITH HAWLEY SMITH. WE DISCUSSED THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE NONZONING VARIANCE TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND HIS FAMILY'S HISTORY WITH THE PROPERTY, THE ACCESS TO THE ROAD, AND THEN HE SHOWED ME PHOTOS OF THE SPACE X LAUNCH THAT HE HAD PRETTY GOOD SHOTS.
HE HAD A CLEAR SIGHT FROM WHERE HE WAS. >> I FORGOT.
WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT. >> I ALSO MET WITH MR. HAWLEY SMITH ON THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 16TH AT 8 O'CLOCK. HE DISCUSSED THE SCOPE THE PROJECT.
WHY HE WANTED TO DIVIDE THE PROPERTY AND THE OUTLYING AREAS IN THE IMPACTS IT WOULD HAVE.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS MR. >> WELCOME.
>> THANK YOU. HAWLEY SMITH. 1665 CENTURY ACRES LANE.
GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. AND COMMISSIONER SMITH, YOU HAVE TAKEN MY JOB AND SUMMARIZED IT VERY WELL. SO THANKS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE TO THE COUNTY AND ALSO TO ME AS A RESIDENT. THROUGH THE CHAIR TO THE BOARD, I RESPECTFULLY AM REQUESTING A NONZONING VARIANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW ME RELIEVE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ACCESS ONE NEWLY CREATED RESIDENTIAL LOT BY WAY OF EXISTING EASEMENT AND IN ADDITION TO AVOID THE REQUIREMENT OF REPLATTING THE SUBDIVISION.
>> CENTURY ACRES LANE IS MY FAMILY'S HOME. THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN MY FAMILY FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS. AND WE'RE LOCATED OFF STATE ROAD 13 JUST NORTH OF SAN JUAN DEL RIO CATHOLIC CHURCH. LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY SEEN HERE.
OUR LOTS CURRENTLY 7.66 ACRES AND WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO CREATE A TWO ACRE PARCEL FOR A CLOSE FRIEND TO BUILD A HOME. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED NEW PARCEL ON THE LOT WHERE WE LIVE. IT'S LOCATED IN THE EASTERN MOST LOCATION AND CLOSEST TO THE COUNTY PORTION OF CENTURY ACRES LANE. THE EASEMENT WILL BE UTILIZE FOR ACCESS PICTURED HERE. WOULD BE SHARED DRIVE BY MY FAMILY AND THE NEW RESIDENTS.
IT'S MY BELIEF THAT THE LOT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA OF ONE TO TWO ACRE LOTS.
I HAVE MET WITH ALL MY NEIGHBORS ON CENTURY ACRES LANE AND ALL HAVE AGREED THAT THE NEW LOT IS REASONABLE AND CONSISTENT AND HAVE FULL SUPPORT FOR WHAT I HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S NO OUTSTANDING STAFF COMMENTS OR CONCERNS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND I'M ASKING THAT YOU VOTE YES TO GRANT ME THE NONZONING VARIANCE TO ALLOW ME TO CREATE THE NEW RESIDENTIAL LOT AND HOME FOR MY GOOD FRIEND.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MR. SMITH. FIRST OF ALL, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? ANY QUESTIONS? WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT. >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 6? NONZONING VARIANCE.
COMMENTS ON ITEM 6? SEEING NONE, BACK TO THE BOARD. >> OKAY.
WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED. ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD?
>> I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. >> PLEASE GO AHEAD. I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE NONZONING VARIANCE 2021-11 CENTURY ACRES LANE REQUEST FOR NONZONING RESIDENCE 6.02.01
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AT 1665 CENTURY ACRES LANE. BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND FIVE CONDITIONS AS PROVIDEDIN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.
SO NOW LET'S MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM SEFRN. THIS IS ALSO QUASI JUDICIAL.
>> BEFORE WE GET STARTED, THE APPLICANT HAD TO LEAVE TODAY FOR A MEDICAL APPOINTMENT AND SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO THE BOARD'S DISCRETION. YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO ALLOW MISS DUKES TO GO FORWARD OR HEAR AT A FUTURE DATE WHERE THE APPLICANT CAN BE PRESENT.
I WANTED TO GIVE THAT TO YOU. >> MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO HEAR THIS TODAY SINCE IT'S ON THE AGENDA AND MOVE FORWARD UNLESS THE BOARD FEELS DIFFERENTLY.
LET'S MOVE FORWARD. LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
YOU START WITH YOUR SAYS. >> I HAVE
>> >> NONE. >> MR. VICE CHAIR.
I HAVE NONE AND WOULD ADD THAT I HAVE NO OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN THIS EVEN THOUGH
>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> NONE MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> I HAVE NONE AS WELL. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, FOR THE RECORD VALERIE DUKES GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT PRESENTING AGENDA ITEM 8 AS MR. CONRAD NOTED, THE APPLICANTS WERE PRESENT AND THEY'VE LEFT AND MADE THEMSELVES AVAILABLE BY PHONE IF WE SHOULD NEED TO CALL THEM. BUT I WILL LET YOU DECIDE ON THAT.
SO TO BEGIN, THE REQUEST IS FOR APPROXIMATELY HALF AN ACRE FROM RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME TO COMMERCIAL TO ALLOW FOR A FINANCIAL PLANNING BUSINESS AT 297 HENRY STREET.
THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
TO SUMMARIZE THE APPLICATION. REZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME TO COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS BASED OFF THEM BECOMING A MEDIATOR FOR FNRA. THE FUTURE LAND USE SHOW SAYS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS MIXED USE
>> IT'S RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME. AND NOTES ON OUR PLANNING AND ZONING REVIEW, AGAIN IT'S DESIGNATED MIXED USE, THE SURROUNDING AREA IS COMPRISED OF BP BUILDERS
>> THERE ARE SIX OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, A FLORIST AND A GREEN HOUSE.
IT IS ZONED COMMERCIAL INTENSE. COMMERCIAL GENERAL, THERE'S INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING.
THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY WAREHOUSING APPEARS TO BE EQUAL IN LAND SIZE.
AND SPECIFICALLY THE RS THREE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS MOSTLY COMPRISED WITH A LARGE BUILDING. THE REZONES APPEARS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE OTHER
SURROUNDING AREAS >> THE OPPOSITION INCLUDED POTENTIAL TRAFFIC AND ANY SIGNAGE ADDED TO THE PROPERTY. DURING THE PZA HEARING. THERE WAS A VOTE FOR 5-1 TO ULTIMATELY RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THE HOUSE IS NOT FOR SALE AND THE TRAFFIC SHOULDN'T BE AFFECTED AND THE ONLY CHANGE THEY PROPOSE WAS PAINTING TO THE RESIDENTS AND THERE WAS NO
PUBLIC COMMENT MADE. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. >> OKAY.
THANK YOU.PANY QUESTIONS FROM T? OKAY. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND OPEN
UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7? PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM SEVEN? SEEING NONE.
MR. CHAIRMAN. BACK TO YOU. >> OKAY.
THANK YOU. WITH PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED. IT'S BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. >> PLEASE SIR.
[8. Public Hearing * CDD 2021-03 Longleaf Pine CDD.]
MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021-66. APPROVING REZONING 2021-13.297 HENRY STREET BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT. >> SECOND.
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>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD. SEEING NONE PLEASE VOTE.
THAT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT.
WHY DON'T WE START WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> I HAVE NONE.
MR. CHAIRMAN. >> NONE MR. CHAIRMAN. >> NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> I HAVE NONE AS WELL. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M KATIE BUCHANAN ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER. ICI CROSSROADS HOLDING.
119 MONROE STREET. TODAY WE WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE PETITION TO ESTABLISH THE LONGLEAF PINE DEVELOPMENT. WE ASK FOR SPECIAL POWERS OF RECREATION AND SECURITY.
WE WILL GO THROUGH THE ESTABLISHMENT PROCESS AND GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE CDD AS WELL AS ANALYSIS, FINDINGS CAN CONCLUSIONS, NOTE THE CDD WOULD BE A LOCAL UNIT OF SPECIAL PURPOSE GOVERNMENT INTENDED TO DESIGN AND PROVIDE A LONG-TERM FINANCING MECHANISM FOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE FUNDED BY OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES.
THE CDDS MUST COMPLY WITH ALL RULES INCLUDING PLANNING AND PERMITS AND DOES NOT OPERATE INDEPENDENTLY WITH THE CITY AND HAS NO PLANNING OR ZONED AUTHORITY.
THIS IS GENERALLY SOUTH OF RACE TRACK ROAD AND VETERANS PARK WAY.
APPROXIMATELY 528 ACRES. CURRENTLY ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL CLASS B AND GENERALLY SURROUNDED WITH RESIDENTIAL WITH OTHER TYPES OF LAND USE CLOSE BY NOTING COMMUNITY, COMMERCIAL AND RURAL. THE DISTRICT PROPOSES TO INSTALL ROADWAYS, STORMWATER, LANDSCAPING, RECREATION IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER PROFESSIONAL COSTS AND ESTIMATED IT WILL BE $16 MILLION. AS ALWAYS, THE CDD DOES NOT OBLIGATE THE COUNTY ON OWN, OPERATE ANY OF THE LAND OPERATED BY THE CDD. SIMILAR TO NORMAL, ANY ACCEPTANCE BY COUNTY MUST BE DONE BY SEPARATE PLAT OR OTHER OBLIGATION.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THEIR GENERALLY SIX FACTORS IDENTIFIED BY STATUTE WHICH YOU CONSIDER IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF CDD. WHETHER THE PETITIONS STATEMENTS ARE TRUE AND CORRECT, WHETHER IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE PORTIONS OF THE LOCAL AND STATE COMP PLANS.
WHETHER IT'S SUFFICIENT SIZE, COMPACTNESS AND CONTIGUOUS TO FUNCTION AS ONE COMMUNITY.
WHETHER THE DISTRICT IS THE BEST ALTERNATE AVAILABLE FOR SERVICES AND FACILITIES.
WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING LOCAL AND REGIONAL COMMUNITY SERVICES FACILITY. AND WHETHER THE AREAS AMENABLE TO SPECIAL DISTRICT GOVERNMENT.
WE HAVE PROVIDED AN ADVANCED TESTIMONY FROM BOTH OUR PETITIONER REPRESENTATIVE MS. WHITE, THE DISTRICT MANAGER AND FINANCIAL CONSULTANT MR. PLENSLER.
ALL THREE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. YOU WILL NOTE EVERY CATEGORY AS TESTIMONY APPLICABLE. WE HAVE ALSO INCLUDED WRITTEN CONSENT TO THE ESTABLISHMENT IN OUR PETITION PACKAGE AND PROPERLY NOTICED THE ESTABLISHMENT IN CONCORDANCE WITH FLORIDA LAW. WE RESPECT THAT THE COMMISSION ESTABLISH THE LONGLEAF PINE AND
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO QUESTIONS. >> OKAY.
THANK YOU. ARE THERE AND QUESTIONS BOARD?
>> OKAY. SEEING NONE. LET'S OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 8. SIR.
YES, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS. >> I'M WORE OUT.
I'M GEORGE, 460 MCCLOUD ROAD. AT THE END OF RACE TRACK ROAD IS WHERE THE WELLS HAVE ALREADY DEVELOPED. FLOWING WELLS HAVE DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO THE DEPRESSION, THAT'S WHERE THAT CONE HAS LET'S SAY HERE'S COUNTY LINE. IT'S GONE FORWARD, WEST, SOUTHWEST TOWARDS WHERE THE OLD RACE TRACK USED TO BE. WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR WATER FROM? I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S GOING TO HURT THE PEOPLE
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IN PALENSIA BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THEY GET THEIR WATER FROM. PERSONALLY, I THINK ALL THE PUDS THAT HAVE BEEN APPLIED FOR AND APPROVED SHOULD BE, SHOULD HAVE A PROTECTION OF WATER USAGE TO COMPLY WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTY. SO WE WILL HAVE ENOUGH WATER BEFORE WE PASS ANY MORE PUDS, WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH FOR THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN EXPEDITED YET. THAT'S MY WHOLE IDEA COMING UP HERE IS TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW. I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE I WAS 16 AND A HALF YEARS OLD.MY WELL FLOWS THIS FAR OUT OF THE TOP NOW. AND, ALL THE WELLS DON'T FLOW LIKE THEY USED TO. THAT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE AS WE GET ALL THESE PUDS FOR THESE LARGE HOUSING PROJECTS. EITHER THAT OR THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY CAN GROW WELLS AT TO SUPPLY THE PUDS WITHOUT RESPECTING THE EXISTING ONES. LKE THE ONE MAN SAID EARLIER, THERE'S CONDEPRESSIONS EVERYWHERE. GUESS WHAT, THERE'S NOT.
I WISH EVERYBODY THAT CAME UP HERE WOULD HAVE TO PUT THEIR HAND ON THE BIBLE AND TELL THE TRUTH. RIGHT ON. ONLY I KNOW PERSONALLY THREE.
ANASTASIA ISLAND HAD IT. THEY CLOSED IT DOWN. I FILLED THE WELLS UP WITH CEMENT BACK IN THE EARLY 70S. WEST, FILL MAN RIDGE. ENDED UP IN THEIR DEPRESSION.
THE WATER PLANT COUNTY WATER PLANT, THEY SUCKED SO HARD THEY DROPPED WATER TABLE FROM SEVEN FEET TO 27 FEET AND I KNEW AT THAT POINT THAT THE LAND FILL WAS GOING TO BE IF THE CONE OF DEPRESSION AND I WAS RIGHT. I HOPE I'M NOT RIGHT. IT'S COMING.
AND NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE HERE, WE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE ALREADY HERE. TAKE CARE OF SAINT FIRST.
>> YES, SIR. THANKS. THANK YOU MR. GEORGE.
>> I WON'T BUG Y'ALL NO MORE. I'M GOING HOME. WE SHOULD BE SO LUCKY.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? I THINK THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR. PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD OR THE APPLICANT. WOULD YOU LIKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
>> MAIN LINE AND ANOTHER EXISTING THAT RUNS THROUGH VETERANS PARK WAY.
WE WOULD COME OFF THE VETERANS PARK WAY. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
PETITIONING FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF CDD DOES NOT ENTITLE YOU TO MORE UNITS.
YES, MA'AM. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANY NEW
DWELLING UNITS TODAY. I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. >> PLEASE SIR.
>> I WILL MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021-67. ESTABLISHING THE LONG LEAF PINE
[9. Public Hearing * COMPAMD 2021-11 Property Rights Element (Adoption).]
CDD BASED ON THREE FINDING. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO
AGENDA ITEM 9. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2021-11.
PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT. THIS IS THE ADOPTION HEARING FOR THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT TO BE ADDED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. HOUSE BILL 59 AMENDED THE COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT TO REQUIRE THIS ELEMENT AND IT BECAME EFFECTIVE IN JULY.
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THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS POLICIES AND OBJECTIVE.HOUSE BILL 59 REQUIRED ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO BE ADDED AND TO AN ACTUAL ELEMENT.
STAFF DID ADD ELEMENT I TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE ARE SPECIFIC STATEMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE ADDED INTO THE ELEMENT. OBJECTIVE GOAL ONE IS THE STATEMENT OF THE PROPERTY RIGHTS, OBJECTIVE 1 IS THE FOLLOWING RIGHT SHALL BE CONSIDERED AND THEN THE POLICIES ARE THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO PHYSICALLY POSSESS AND CONTROL HIS OR HER INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY INCLUDING EASEMENTS, LEASES AND MINERAL RIGHTS. THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO USE, MAINTAIN AND DEVELOP HIS OR HER PROPERTY FOR PERSONAL USE OR ANY USE SUBJECT TO STATE LAW AND ORDINANCES.
NUMBER THREE RIGHT OF ANY PROPERTY OWNER TO PRIVACY AND PROTECT THE OWNER'S POSSESSIONS AND PROPERTY AND NUMBER FOUR, RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO DISPOSE OF THEIR PROPERTY THROUGH A GIFT OR SALE. THE EXISTING POLICIES THAT WE HAD IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND USE ELEMENT A HAVE BEEN ADDED INTO OUR ELEMENT I NOW AND THEY HAVE BEEN RENUMBERED ACCORDINGLY. DEO DID PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON HOW TO ADOPT THIS ELEMENT AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS IN FUTURE WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED IN THE EVENT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DID NOT ADOPT THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT. STAFF DID RECEIVE CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE 1,000 FRIENDS OF FLORIDA THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR COMMENT.
THERE WAS NO COMMENTS FROM THE STATE AND REGIONAL AGENCIES WHEN THIS WAS TRANSMITTED.
WE OFFER THREE FINDINGS OF FACT. PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NINE. >> SASHA MARTIN.
133 COASTAL HOLLOW CIRCLE. IN JULY, THE THOUSANDS FRIENDS OF FLORIDA AND IT IS PART OF YOUR PACKET CAME UP WITH A MODEL PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT THAT ACTUALLY INVOLVED THE PARTICIPATION AND ENGAGEMENT OF CITIZENS IN INCREASING TRANSPARENCY.
SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE AND PARTICIPATE IN PROCESSES AND KNOW WHAT KINDS DEVELOPMENT WILL OCCUR IN THEIR COMMUNITY. NOW I KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN REGULATIONS LIKE NOTIFYING PEOPLE WITHIN 300 FEET AND ALL THAT. BUT, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE HAVE SAID TODAY, SOMETHING CAME BEFORE THE PZA AND I WASN'T EVEN AWARE OF IT.
NOW WE'RE HEARING THE FINAL VOTE. I AM JUST WONDERING WHY THEY WERE ELEMENTS IN THE ELEMENT THAT WERE NOT TAKEN FROM THE THOUSAND FRIENDS OF FLORIDA RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO BE HEARD AND THERE SHOULD BE SIGNIFICANT HEARINGS WHEN SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO A PROPERTY. EVEN THOUGH IT IS PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. AND IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY I THINK TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY MORE OF A SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS TO A PROPERTY IN THEIR AREA THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THEIR LIVES. THEY SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST SOME SAY IN IT.
THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU ANY OTHER PUBLIC
COMMENT ON ITEM 9? SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> OKAY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY -- WELL, COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I MOVE IT MR. CHAIRMAN IF YOU
WERE WILLING TO DO >> OKAY. YES, SIR.
PLEASE. >> MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021-68 ADOPTING COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2021-11 PROPERTY LIGHTS ELEMENT BASED ON THREE FINDINGS OF FACT.
[10. Emergency Services Consulting International Presentation - Evaluation of Fire Rescue Services and Master Planning Document]
>> SECOND. >> CAN WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.
I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS. >> NEW WE WILL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM 10. WELCOME. IN 2019, THE EMERGENCY SERVICES
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CONSULTING INTERNATIONAL CAME WITH AN EVALUATION OF THE FIRE RESCUE SERVICES.I WILL INTRODUCE CHIEF ANGEL. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. SEVERAL OF YOU I MET WHEN WE WERE IN TOWN THE AND OTHER COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST I MET THIS MORNING.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME BACK. I WORE THE SAME JACKET IN HOPES YOU WOULD REMEMBER ME.
DID IT WORK? I'M JUST CURIOUS. >> THERE WE GO.
NOW IT'S COME BACK. WHAT'S THAT, SIR? >> IT MUST HAVE BEEN ME.
THE GUY WITH THE BRIEFCASE. YEAH, AS CHIEF MENTIONED. I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE AT LEAST HAD A COPIES OF THE PLAN FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME. PROBABLY HAD FAMILIARITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT AT A HIGH LEVEL AND BEING RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME.
TRY TO HIT THE HIGH POINTS AND ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
SO, JUST A LITTLE HISTORY. WE'RE ENGAGED BACK IN 2019, IN FACT MY VISIT OVER HERE WAS IN DECEMBER OF 2019. AND WE WENT BACK AND STARTED TO PUT TOGETHER A SIX OR EIGHT MONTH PROJECT IS WHAT A MASTER PLAN USUALLY CAN TAKE US. AND ULTIMATELY WITH COVID ISSUES AND SO FORTH, WE, THAT GOT SLOWED A LITTLE BIT AND DELIVERED A FINAL PLAN.
SO, CERTAINLY HAPPY TO BE HERE AND CERTAINLY HAPPY TO WRAP THIS UP WITH OUR PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION. WE LOOKED AT FOUR PRIMARY THINGS WHEN WE THINK OF MASTER PLAN.
WE THINK WE TRY TO ANSWER THREE QUESTIONS. WHERE IS THE AGENCY NOW.
WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE FUTURE AND HOW IT GETS THERE. WE LOOK AT CURRENT CONDITIONS AT FIRE RESCUE AND HAVE A NUMBER OF SLIDES ON THAT. EVERYTHING FROM SERVICE DELIVERY TO FINANCES TO SERVICES PROVIDED AND SO FORTH. FUTURE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GROWING. BASED ON WHAT YOU SEE OUT THERE AD HEARING IN FRONT OF YOU.
WITH GROWTH COMES SERVICE DEMANDS. WE MAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE FEEL MIGHT ENHANCE THE EFFECTIVENESS AND EFFICIENCY OF THE AGENCY. SO, WITH THAT, WE TOOK A VERY DEEP DIVE INTO A NUMBER, BEFORE I LEAVE THIS SLIDE, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SPEAK TO CHIEF ROBSHAW AND PREVAT.
ANYTHING WE NEEDED, THEY WERE RIGHT ON THE MONEY IN GETTING IT TO US.
THEY REVIEWED A VERY LENGTHY REPORT. NUMEROUS TIMES TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE SAW WAS REALLY WHAT GOES ON OVER HERE. SO, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THEM DOING THAT. AND CONNIE ADMINISTRATION AND FOUR OF YOU TOOK TIME OUT OF YOUR BUSY SCHEDULES AND MET WITH US. SO WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT.
BECAUSE THAT ULTIMATELY HELPED THE REPORT BE MORE USEFUL AND MORE ACCURATE.
SO, THE SECTIONS OF THE REPORT ARE MANY. AGAIN, A MASTER PLAN IS GENERALLY A LONG REPORT. THESE ARE ALL THE AREAS THAT WE LOOKED AT.
AND WE TOOK A DEEP DIVE INTO EVERY SINGLE OF ONE OF THEM. I WILL NOT TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO EVERY ONE OF THEM TODAY BUT CERTAINLY HIT ON THE KEY ONES AND CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. I THINK KEY TO THE MASTER PLAN IS ULTIMATELY THE WHAT ARE WE GOING TO NEED IN THE FUTURE. THAT WILL BE SOME OF WHAT I TALK ABOUT TOWARDS THE END.
ONE AREA THAT I ALWAYS LIKE TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON WHEN I DO THESE FINAL REPORTS IS THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK. IN YOUR CASE WE HELD TWO FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS.
SORT OF NORTH END OF COUNTY AND A SOUTH END OF THE COUNTY WHILE WE WERE IN TOWN.
WE ULTIMATELY GOT SURVEYED BACK FROM ABOUT 40 PEOPLE. I THINK THOSE MEETINGS WHILE WELL ATTENDED, ALSO PRODUCED GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CHIEF TO TALK ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT WHICH HE DID IN BOTH OF THOSE. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE RESULTS OF A COUPLE DIRECTED
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SURVEYS AND ADDITIONALLY, YOUR STAFF DID A SIMILAR FACE-TO-FACE FEEDBACK SECTION AFTER WE HAD LEFT WITH THE RIVER DALE COMMUNITY. BUT THEY USED OUR SAME SERVICE.SO IN THE REPORT, THERE'S ALSO RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY. WHICH ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE FOUND IN THE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS WE HAD. WE ALSO TALKED TO THE CHIEF OF CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND JUST AS A ONE-ON-ONE MEETING, AS HE IS A PARTNER AGENCY AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THAT WAS HELPFUL IN WRITING THE REPORT. SO THE KEY TAKE AWAY FROM ALL STAKEHOLDERS WAS YOUR RAPID GROWTH AND CURRENTLY AND IN THE FUTURE YOU CAN EXPECT A HIGH DEMAND ON FIRE AND EMS SYSTEM SERVICE DELIVERY. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO KEEP PACE WITH THAT. SO, WE ASKED THREE QUESTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY ONE-ON-ONE FORUMS. THE FIRST WAS COMMUNITY PLANNING PRIORITIES AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, TOWARDS THE TOP END, THERE'S THINGS LIKE RESPONSE TIME, RELIABILITY AND DEPLOYMENT.
MOST PEOPLE WHEN THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY, THEY WANT TO CALL 911 AND HANG UP THE PHONE AND HEAR A SREN. THIS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WHAT WE FIND.
RESPONSE TIMES, RELIABILITY DEPLOYMENT ARE ALWAYS IN THE TOP FEW.
THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A WHOLE LOT CONCERN TO EXPAND SERVICE AND THE TARGET GROUP AT OUR EVENT. SOME MIGHT SAY THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE MOST INTERESTED SO YOU CAN EXPECT THIS. THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE CONCERN ABOUT COST CONTAINING COSTS AND SO FORTH AS OPPOSED TO THE RESPONSE TIMES ET CETERA. SERVICE PRIORITIES AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ANYTHING UNCOMMON WE DON'T FIND. EMS AND FIRE USUALLY ARE AT THE TOP. IN YOUR CASE YOU DO HAVE THE 911 CENTER.
SO IT'S UP THERE AS WELL AND THEN AS YOU GET DOWN THROUGH PEOPLE FEEL THERE'S LESS PRIORITY AS YOU SORT OF GET THERE TO THE BOTTOM. THE KIND OF INCONGRUENCY FOR US, COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION PREVENTING ALL THESE THINGS IS A HIGH PRIORITY BUT A LOT OF TIMES THE CITIZENS DON'T SEE THAT AS A HIGH PRIORITY. AND THEN LASTLY, WE DID AN OPINION POLL ON THREE REALLY AREAS AND THAT'S RESPONSE COST AND STAFFING.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE RESULTS THERE, PRETTY WELL ACROSS THE BOARD THAT EVERYBODY THOUGHT IT WAS EITHER APPROPRIATE OR IN SOME CASES TOO SLOW OR UNDER FUNDED OR UNDER STAFFED. GENERALLY AT LEAST ALMOST HALF THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS APPROPRIATE. SO LET'S TALK FIRST ABOUT OUR CURRENT SERVICE DELIVERY AND PERFORMANCE BECAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND IT'S A NICE BASIS NOT ONLY FOR FUTURE PLANNING BUT ALSO FOR WHERE YOU'RE AT TODAY. SO WE LOOKED AND YOU KNOW ONE THING I WANT TO DISCLOSE OBVIOUSLY WE WERE HERE IN 2019 AND A LOT OF OUR DATA IS FROM 2019.
ALTHOUGH WE MADE A COUPLE WEEKS, WE WERE ABLE TO WRITE FOR 2020 REPORT.
I ASSURE YOU YOUR WORK LOAD HASN'T DECREASED. THE CHIEF CAN STRAIGHTEN ME OUT IF I AM. MY GUESS IS THE WORK LOAD CONTINUES TO INCREASE.
THE FOUR YEARS WE LOOKED AT DATA FROM, WENT UP FOUR PERCENT A YEAR.
EMS ABOUT 66%. THAT'S EXPECTED. DURING THE PERIOD AND THAT WOULD LIKELY CONTINUE. THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON FROM OTHER AGENCIES WE VISIT AND DO WORK FOR. 73% EMS CALLS RESULTED IN A TRANSPORT.
AND THAT WAS AN INCREASE IN VOLUME OF 11.5 %. 2% AVERAGE ANNUAL INCREASE.
SERVICE DEMAND WAS CONSISTENT. SOMETIMES WE SEE YOU'RE BUSIER AT CERTAIN TIMES A YEAR.
WITH THE DAY TIME BEING BUSIER, WHICH AGAIN IS EXPECTED AND THAT'S IMPORTANT STUFF IF YOU EVER LOOK AT PEAK DEMAND UNITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT YOU WANT TO USE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHEN YOUR HIGHEST DEMAND IS. IT'S IN THE DAY TIME BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE ARE AWAKE, DRIVING AND AT WORK ET CETERA. THESE NEXT COUPLE BUILTS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU THINK OF EXISTING CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICES AND WHERE YOU'RE AT AND WHERE YOU ARE IN THE FUTURE. AND SORT OF HOW TO PLAN FOR THAT OR SOMETIMES WE WILL GET ASKED A QUESTION, WHAT TRIGGERS ANOTHER UNIT? AND IT'S USUALLY NOT ONE THING TRIGGERS ANOTHER UNIT. OR ANOTHER LOCATION. IT'S USUALLY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
AND ONE OF THEM IS WHAT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR REPORT, UNIT UTILIZATION OR YOU CAN ALSO CALL
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THAT COMMITMENT. THAT TALKS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME A UNIT IS COMMITTED TO A CALL DURING ANY GIVEN PERIOD OF TIME DURING A DAY. IT ONLY TAKES IN CONSIDERATION THE DATA WHICH IS FROM THE TIME THE CALL STARTS TO THE TIME THE CALL ENDS.SO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS, YOU THINK WOW, THAT'S NOT MUCH.
JUST REMEMBER THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT FIRE RESCUE DOES.
EVEN THOUGH A CALL ENDS, YOU HAVE REPORTS AND SUPPLY REPLENISHMENT, EQUIPMENT CLEANING AND SO FORTH. IT'S REALLY EXPANDED BUT WE LIKE TO SAY WHEN YOU'RE GETTING AROUND 25% OF UNIT HOUR UTILIZATION OR COMMITMENT, IT'S TIME TO START LOOKING AT WHAT YOU HAVE GOING ON. SO THAT IS ONE GOOD MEASUREMENT THAT YOU CAN KIND OF RELY UPON AS YOU LOOK TO THE FORWARD ABOUT ADDING RESOURCES AND CAPACITY. THE NEXT ONE THERE IS CONCURRENT CALLS. SO CONCURRENT CALLS ARE THAT. HOW MANY TIMES ARE MORE THAN ONE CALL GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME PERIOD OF TIME. WHEN WE DID THE REPORT, FIVE OR MORE CALLS WERE HAPPENING 93% OF THE TIME. MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE LOOKED AT 2017, 18 AND 19, THREE OR FOUR CALLS GOING ON AT ONE TIME WAS DECLINING WHERE SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE CALLS GOING ON AT ONE TIME WERE GOING UP. THAT SIMPLY MEANS THE SYSTEM IS GETTING BUSIER. YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT WITH YOUR CALL COUNTS AND RESPONSE TIMES AND TIE THEM TO YOUR COMMITMENT OR YOUR UHU AND THAT'S GOING TO HELP YOU DECIDE WHEN YOU NEED TO ADD RESOURCES. AND THEN RESPONSE TIMES IS GOING TO HELP YOU DECIDE WHERE THE RESOURCES NEED TO BE. YOUR, THERE ARE SOME NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION PERFORMANCE RECOMMENDANCES ON TURN OUT TRAVEL AND RESPONSE TIME.
YOU WERE A LITTLE SLOWER ON THOSE. THOSE ARE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE WORKED ON WITH EXISTING PEOPLE ON THE TURN OUT TRAVEL AND SO FORTH.
TRAVEL AND RESPONSE TIMES ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED NOT ONLY TO WHERE YOUR STATIONS ARE LOCATED BUT THE BUSINESS FACTOR. IF SOME ARE ON ANOTHER CALL BECAUSE THEY HAVE HIGH COMMITMENT. IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO RESPONSE TO THE NEXT TIME AND THAT AFFECTS ALL TRAVEL AND RESPONSE TIMES OVERALL AND THE LAST BULLET IS IMPORTANT. I WAS SO PLEASED TO HEAR THAT YOU GOT A STAFFING GRANT TODAY EARLIER WHEN THE CHIEF WAS TALKING. BECAUSE THE MORE PEOPLE YOU CAN GET ON THE SCENE OF A STRUCTURAL FIRE, THE BETTER. WHEN YOU THINK OF THE EFFICIENCY AND SAFETY. WHEN WE DID OUR STUDY OF YOUR FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT, YOU WERE ABOVE THE INDUSTRY STANDARD, WHICH YOU KNOW MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE TO MEET ALL THE TIMES.
WE DON'T SEE IT VERY OFTEN WHERE EVERYBODY IS WITHIN THAT AGENCY STANDARD.
BUT IT IS A GOOD INDUSTRY STANDARD. IT'S A GOOD GOAL MAYBE TO SET.
CERTAINLY A CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU LOOK AT INCREASING CAPACITY AND SO FORTH.
ALSO IN THE CURRENT CONDITIONS SECTION, WE HAD OUR FINANCIAL CONSULTANT WHO SPECIALIZES IN THIS KIND OF LOOK JUST TO GIVE YOU A PICTURE OF WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN AND WHERE YOU ARE IN TERMS OF FINANCING. THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ON THESE SLIDES YOU'RE NOT WELL AWARE OF.
YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT COST YOU. THE SAME THING WITH FUND BALANCE. WE LOOK AT THAT IN YOUR FIRE DISTRICT AND THE BOTTOM CHART IS THE EMS PROGRAM IMPACT ON GENERAL FUND. YOUR EXPENSES ARE AND YOUR EMS REVENUES ARE WIDENING TOWARD 2019, 2020 TIME FRAME. JUST SOMETHING TO BE ALERT TO.
AS PART OF OUR PLAN, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO USE THE WORD RECOMMEND. WE RECOMMENDED YOU INVESTIGATE NOT NECESSARILY THAT YOU IMPLEMENT. BUT THERE ARE FIRE DISTRICTS IN A STATE, ALBEIT YOURS IS INDEPENDENT. THERE ARE INDEPENDENT DISTRICTS ON THE WEST COAST THAT HAVE DIVERSIFIED THEIR REVENUE STREAM DOING NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT LIKE YOU HAVE. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF COUNTIES THAT HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR CAPITAL REPLACEMENT AND CAPITAL EXPANSION USING SALES TAX.
IN SOME CASES THAT'S A HALF CENT. IN PINNELAS, IT'S 1%.
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THAT'S A GOOD SOURCE OF ALTERNATIVE INCOME AND ACCORDING TO THE 2020 PLAN, THE HALF CENT SALES TAX WAS PROJECTED TO GENERATE ABOUT $16 MILLION. SO, YOU MIGHT ANTICIPATE THAT IF YOU DID A HALF CENT. CONTINUE TO REVIEW NEEDS AND FEDERAL GRANTS.I'M HAPPY TO HEAR YOU'RE GETTING MONEY. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER GRANTS POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAS DONE WELL IN REVIEWING YOUR NEEDS AND TYING THEM TO WHAT GRANTS MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. SO, WE PARTNERED WITH A COMPANY OUT IN CORVALLIS, OREGON, IT HELPED US WITH FUTURE DEMAND PROJECTIONS AND THEY BASICALLY TOOK YOUR EXISTING AND PLANNED PROJECTS AND THEY PUT IT INTO SOME SOFTWARE THEY HAVE AND THAT SPIT OUT A PROJECTION WHEN YOU'RE 50%, 75% IN POPULATION AND INCIDENTS.
FOR A PLANNING NUMBER TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT YOUR WORK LOAD MIGHT LOOK LIKE AT FIRE RESCUE.
WE GAVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE OF A FIRE STATION IN AN AREA THAT LOOKS LIKE IT NEEDED IT.
THAT WAS BASED ON RESPONSE TIMES OF ANOTHER STATION. HOW OFTEN IT WAS ON CONCURRENT CALLS AND HOW OFTEN IT WAS COMMITTED TO A CALL. I WAS TALKING TO CHIEF TODAY, CHIEF ROBSHAW AND I THINK YOU'RE MAKING A WAY IN THE 20795 AREA IF I SAID THAT CORRECTLY.
ALL THOSE METRICS YOU LOOK AT AS YOU THINK OF NEW RESOURCES IN THE GENERAL LOCATION.
ONE THING IS AND AGAIN IT'S AN ISO RECOMMENDATION TO GET FULL CREDIT FROM ISO.
THEY LIKE TO SEE AN ENGINE COMPANY EVERY MILE AND A HALF AND A LADDER COMPANY EVERY TWO-AND-A-HALF MILES IN BUILT UP AREAS. WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT IS ANOTHER QUESTION. JUST TO MAKE YOU AWARE, THAT'S SOMETIMES A GOOD METRIC TO LOOK AT AND WE PROVIDED THAT FOR YOU. SO, AGAIN, SUMMARIZED IN THE SEVERAL OBJECTIVES MORE DEFINED IN THE REPORT, YOU KNOW IT'S THE OBVIOUS ONES, YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO KEEP UP WITH YOUR SERVICE DELIVERY, YOUR SERVICE DEMANDS TO ENSURE THAT YOU'RE GETTING THE SERVICES THAT YOU PROVIDE TIMELY TO THE PEOPLE THAT NEED THEM WHEN THEY DO. I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL THESE.
THE ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION BECAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY WORKED ON THIS ON THE STAFFING BECAUSE YOU GOT THE GRANT WAS WE LIKE TO LOOK AT STAFFING AS WHAT YOU NEED WITH PEOPLE TAKING LEAVE TIME AND SO FORTH. SO, WHEN OUR STAFFING GUY WENT THROUGH THAT, HE CAME UP IF YOU ADDED 32 PEOPLE, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED FOR A RELIEF FACTOR AND HELP YOU WITH OVERTIME. MY GUESS IS WITH THE GRANT COMING, YOU WILL PROBABLY MAKE UP SOME OF THOSE AND APPARATUS. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A LONG-TERM STRATEGY ON THAT AS WELL. NOW I HAVE ONE SLIDE HERE JUST REALLY WHEN WE DO A MASTER PLAN AND WE COME TO TOWN IN DECEMBER OF '19 AND WORK ON A REPORT FOR SIX MONTHS IN 2020 WHICH IS BASICALLY HOW THIS ONE WENT. SOMETHING CHANGES. WHEN WE'RE HERE AND RUNNING DATA, THAT'S A SNAPSHOT IN TIME. ONE THING THAT OCCURRED, YOU ROLLED BACK YOUR MILLAGE.
YOU ADOPTED A ROLL BACK RATE. WE PROVIDED A SUMMARY OF WHAT WENT ON WITH THAT AND THE DEPARTMENT FOUND THEY NEEDED ORGANIZATIONAL CHART NEEDED IN RESPONSIBILITIES
>> THE REPORT SAYS ONE THINGS AND THERE'S AN EXECUTIVE ASSUMARY ABOUT THE CHANGES TO MAKE IT FOR CURRENCY PURPOSES. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO YOU.
I WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND A PLEASURE SEEING ALL OF YOU AGAIN
WITH ONE EXCEPTION. >> THANK YOU. SIR.
LET'S OPEN UP TO THE BOARD WITH QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH.
I HAVE A QUESTION, GOING THROUGH THE REPORTS QUITE VOLUMOUS OR DIRECT ME TO IT.
HOW MANY HOMES OR DWELLINGS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS NOT COVERED ON THE ISO'S HIGHEST RATING? INTO THE FIVE MILE RADIUS. DO YOU HAVE THAT DATA? IS IT IN HERE OR DID YOU DABBLE
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WITH THAT. >> WE HAVE THE FIVE MILE RADIUS WITH PERCENT COVERAGE.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF ROAD MILES WERE NOT COVERED. >> YEAH, LET ME SEE, I BROUGHT IT. I DIDN'T WANT TO PRINT, WHAT YOU SAID.
WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION I WILL ASK YOU.
GO AHEAD. >> PROBABLY TOWARD CHIEF OR WHOEVER ELSE.
DO YOU FIND THAT, I DON'T DO WELL DOUBLE TRIPLE TASKING. THAT'S FOR SURE.
MY QUESTION IS, IN REQUEST TO THE 32 FTES, WE ACTUALLY GOT A GRANT BETWEEN THE LAST TIME I MET CHIEF PREVAT, THAT THE COVER 20. THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SLUG OF IT. IS THE JOB MARKET ABLE TO SUPPLY THAT AMOUNT OF PERSONNEL?
>> THE GOOD NEWS WE HAD APPLICATIONS OPEN AND WE HAD OVER 150 APPLICATIONS THIS TIME AROUND FOR FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS IT'S OPEN. THEY WILL DO INTERVIEWS.
I'M PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. >> MY NEXT QUESTION IS IN REGARD TO FUNDING.
WHAT, I WILL ASK THIS TO ADMINISTRATION, CAN THEY, THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDING BE USED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE REQUESTS AND ALSO I HAVE A SECOND PART TO THAT.
JESSE IS CAN AARP FUNDING BE USED TO REPLACE EXISTING BUDGET LINE ITEMS FOR THESE REQUESTS? I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING OUT THERE.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, JESSE DUNN. DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.
RELATED TO THE QUESTION. CAN AARP FUND FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS.
IT LOOKS LIKE, IT'S LOOKING MORE LIKE A NO. WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW BUT THE INITIAL RESPONSE THAT I HAVE RECEIVED AND THIS IS GOING THROUGH A CONSULTANT WE HAVE AND THE FEDERAL REGISTRY ON THIS, IS THERE HAS TO BE A DIRECT LINK WITH A COVID-19 RESPONSE.
THAT'S WHAT WE CAN ASSOCIATE FUNDING WITH. WITH THE COVID-19 RESPONSE, IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST HALF OF THAT POSITION OR THAT PARTICULAR GROUP'S RESPONSE
>> VERY THANK YOU. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
>> YES COMMISSIONER, PAGE 95. THE ANSWER IS IN TERMS OF ROADS NOT COVERED.
ROAD MILES COVERED WITH THE FIVE MILE TRAVEL DISTANCE. >> ALL RIGHTY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YES, SIR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> THANK YOU MR. SMITH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE OKAY.
COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> >> IN THE FUNDING SOURCES RECOMMENDATIONS OR CONSIDERATIONS, IS THE IDEA THE ENTIRE HALF WOULD GO TO FIRE AND
RESCUE OR FIRE, SHERIFF? WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL? >> CERTAINLY IT WAS SOMETHING WE SUGGESTED YOU INVESTIGATE BECAUSE WE KNOW OF OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL IN. WHEN I SAID PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU KNOW IN MY MIND, I'M THINKING SHERIFFS OR RESCUE ET CETERA COMMUNICATIONS. ALL THOSE PUBLIC SAFETY KINDS OF THINGS. THERE ARE SEVERAL COUNTIES HILLSBORO, MARION, PINELLACE IS $0.01. THERE ARE EXAMPLES TO LOOK AT. WHEN I THINK PUBLIC SAFETY, I
THINK OF THE WHOLE GROUP. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.
IT'S JUST ME THOUGH. THAT'S A POLICY. >> LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER
WALDRON NEXT. >> JUST ONE QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE ANY NUMBERS OF HOW MUCH MORE AGE RESTRICTED NEIGHBORHOODS PUT A TAX OR NOT A TAX BUT MORE CALLS FOR
AGE-RESTRICTED NEIGHBORHOODS? WHAT PERCENTAGE THAT MIGHT BE? >> WE DIDN'T RUN IT THAT WAY.
CERTAINLY, THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE 55 AND OLDER COMMU COMMUNITIES? IN A HIGHER DEMAND.
WE DID NOT DO THAT IN THE CASE OF THIS STUDY. CERTAINLY, JUST, ARBITRARILY TO
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SAY FROM MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, THAT'S WHERE I'M FROM.I WAS CHIEF IN PALM HARBOR AND YES, THE CALL DEMAND IN THOSE AREAS WAS HIGHER.
>> MAYBE SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, ABOUT DURING OUR NEXT IMPACT FEE STUDY.
THANK YOU. >> AND YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WITH GOOD GIS COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. AS A COMMUNITY ANALYST, YOUR POPULATION RANGE AND DO AN OVER
LAY OF THOSE COMMUNITIES IN COMPARISON TO CALLS. >> I KNOW THEY GET A REDUCTION
ON SCHOOL TAX BUT IT'S A HIGHER BURDEN ON OTHER SERVICES. >> YEAH, POTENTIALLY.
>> AND I'M REACHING THAT AGE GROUP. >> I'M WELL BEYOND IT.
I'M WELL BEYOND YOU. I'M KNOCKING ON THE DOOR. I ALREADY HAVE THE KEY IN THE
LOCK. SO WE'RE DOING >> THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> QUICK QUESTION, CHIEF, I NOTICED IN THE PRESENTATION THAT
ENGINE 14 WAS THE BUSIEST. WHERE IS THAT? >> WEST KING STREET AND HOLMES
BOULEVARD. >> THAT'S THE BUSIEST? >> YES.
SPEND A FEW HOURS WITH THEM. THERE'S TWO AMBULANCES AND ONE ENGINE.
THEY RUN PRETTY MUCH NONSTOP ALL DAY. >> SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. GOING BACK TO STATION 14. A MONTH OR TWO, WE HAD ONE FLIP OVER. PART OF OUR DUAL ROLES, MYSELF AS A CHAIRMAN.
THAT TOOK A NUMBER OF OUR FIRE RESCUE PERSONNEL HAD TO BE PULLED OFF AND DEDICATED TO THAT. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND.
WHEN YOU HAVE A CATASTROPHIC EVENT -- CAN YOU ELABORATE. >> SURE.
THAT INCIDENT HAPPENED SATURDAY OR SUNDAY. THE LAST TRAIN OF THE TROLLEY FLIPPED OVER. THEY WERE 12 TOTAL PATIENTS SO IT TOOK, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE EXACT AMOUNT OF RESOURCES. IT TOOK A LARGE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES TO GET THE PEOPLE INJURED. EVERYBODY RECOVERED FINE.
THERE WAS NO CRITICAL INJURIES. THERE WAS ONE SERIOUS INJURY ALL OF THESE CALLS.
THAT'S THE HARD PART WHEN YOU TRY TO DO THIS AND PLAN, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE STRUCTURE FIRE IN OUR COUNTY TO GET THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF RESOURCES THERE TO MEET THE NFPC STANDARD TAKES 35% OF OUR SUPPRESSION STAFF TO DO THAT. BUT THAT COULD BE A SEMI ON THE INTERSTATE. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESOURCES.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT SEVERAL TIMES. WE'RE GOING TO SEND THE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES WE FEEL NECESSARY TO MITIGATE WHATEVER THE EMERGENCY IS.
WE ALWAYS HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND. WHEN YOU STRIP THE AREAS, THE BATTALION CHIEFS DO THIS.
THEY ARE MOVING PEOPLE AROUND TO BACK FILL THE AREAS. IT'S A JUGGLE GAME AND WE DO IT, I WOULD SAY MY STAFF DOES IT EXTREMELY WELL. AS THE CALLS CONTINUE, WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS. >> I HAVE SOME FURTHER COMMENTS.
I WANT TO GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH. IN A BROADER CONCERN, I'M JUST, THIS IS OUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY AS A BOARD TO TALK ABOUT THIS. OUR GROWTH HAS BEEN APPROXIMATELY 44%. ADDED 89,000 TO 100,000 RESIDENTS TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GIVING YOU THE RESOURCES TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS.
WHEN YOU ADD APPROXIMATELY 100,000. THOSE DO NOT INCLUDE THE GROWTH REALLY IN THE LAST YEAR SINCE COVID. THOSE NUMBERS ARE PROBABLY NOT REFLECTIVE OF THAT. MY TURN IS WHEN YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF CATASTROPHIC EVENT THAT TAKES UP TO 30% OF YOUR PERSONNEL OFFLINE, THERE'S STILL OTHER FIRES AND PEOPLE HAVING HEART ATTACKS. THERE'S PEOPLE DROWNING. WE'RE A COASTAL COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A BEACH ON ONE SIDE AND A RIVER ON THE OTHER SIDE. THAT CREATES PRESSURE AND NEEDS WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS. OUR RESIDENTS EXPECT THAT.
SOME OF YOUR FIREFIGHTERS SAVED MY DAUGHTER'S LIFE AND WE WERE BLESSED AND FORTUNATE TO GET TO THE FIRE STATION RIGHT AS YOUR FIREFIGHTERS WERE RETURNING FROM ANOTHER CALL.
IF THAT HAD NOT BEEN THE CASE, SHE MAY NOT HAVE MADE IT. I THINK WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL TO GOD WORKED THAT OUT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS WE TALK THROUGH THIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD TO GET YOUR RESOURCES. MY CONCERN ABOUT THE CARES
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FUNDING, THAT WAS DESIGNED TO A PARTICULAR NEED. NO ONE EXPECTED WE WOULD HAVE TO PULL YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT INTO THAT. YOUR WONDERFUL PERSONNEL STEPPED UP AND DO A HEROIC EFFORT. SAVED TREMENDOUS LIVES WITH THE VACCINATION EFFORT.THERE'S SILENT COSTS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS AROUND THE CORNER OR WHAT FUTURE HOLDS.
MY FAMILY IS SIXTH GENERATION MARION COUNTY. I THINK THE WAY THEY DO IT, THEY DO HALF A PENNY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND HALF FOR RECREATION. YOU WILL SEE THE SIGNS SEE YOUR PENNY AT WORK. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE AS A BOARD LOOK AT AND ADDRESS. I THINK OUR RESIDENTS WOULD APPRECIATE PUTTING SALES REVENUE TOWARD OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF RAISING OUR PROPERTY TAXES.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH. BUT I THINK THE SALES TAX IS POTENTIALLY AN OPTION WE LOOK AT. THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT IS THE RESIDENTS REALLY MAKE THAT DECISION. WE AS A BOARD PUT ON THE BALLOT.
AND THEY ULTIMATELY MAKE THAT DECISION. I WANT TO SEE YOU GET THE RESOURCES TO ADDRESS THIS. SO WE'RE NOT SEEING OTHER FAMILIES IN THIS POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE A GRANDFATHER HAVING A HEART ATTACK AND UNFORTUNATELY, PEOPLE CAN'T RESPOND.
YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE BEST THING TO DO. THERE'S A CATASTROPHIC INCIDENT ON I-95 AND A FIRE SOMEWHERE AND A DROWNING. AS YOU KEEP ADDING AND ADDING MORE RESIDENTS AGAIN WE'RE NOT BUILDING HOMES AND BEGGING PEOPLE TO COME.
PEOPLE ARE LINING UP TO COME HERE. THANK YOU FOR KIND OF LISTENING TO THAT. I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO TALK
AND HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND CHIEF, COULD YOU BACK UP A FEW SLIDES? CERTAIN. THERE'S ONE DIFFERENCE I THOUGHT WAS BEING COLLECTED.
IS THAT IT THERE? VERSUS IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND?
>> YEAH. THAT WAS PRIMARILY ON EMS SIDE. WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL OR WE
WILL END UP IN THE SAME PLACE. >> I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DO THAT.
I WANT TO RESPOND TO WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TODAY. WE HAVE TO BE SOMEWHAT
RESPONSIVE TO THAT. >> I UNDERSTAND. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ON THE BOARD WHEN WE HAD TO DO IMPACT FEE DISCUSSIONS. IT'S A VERY, I HEARD Y'ALL HAVE A GREAT TIME. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. DID YOU HAVE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THIS IS A PRESENTATION ITEM ONLY. BUT YEAH, WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S FURTHER. >> WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 10.
THE FIRE AND RESCUE REPORT. YES, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE SIR.
>> >> LAWRENCE MCCORMACK. VILLAGES OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
I DIDN'T PLAN ON SPEAKING ON THIS. BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAXES WITH ALL THE NEW HOTELS GOING UP, OR YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT VISITOR TAX, THAT COULD
HELP SUPPORT THIS EFFORT. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON
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ITEM 10? THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED, WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
BEFORE THIS ITEM GOES AWAY, I WANT TO ECHO YOUR COMMENTS COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUNDING SOURCE IS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR FIREFIGHTERS HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO KEEP US SAFE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
PEOPLE HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS AND I THINK WE NEED TO STRIVE TO MEET THOSE WHERE IT'S POSSIBLE.
I AM CERTAINLY OPEN MINDED TO WHAT THE FUNDING SOURCES WILL BE SO LONG AS IT IS THE PRUDENT THING TO DO AND MAKE SURE IT GOES TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST. THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THIS.
>> WELL, I DO THINK THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS OUR MOVE THIS BOARD TO BRING BACK AND REALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN JUST HEAR THIS AND NOT TAKE ACTION TODAY. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS SEE IF THERE'S CONSENT TO DIRECT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO BRING THIS BACK AT A LATER DATE AND AND CREATE OPTIONS SO WE CAN EVALUATE AND SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED. COMMISSIONER SMITH.
>> >> ONE THING YOU CAN DO, YOU ALL TALK ABOUT REVENUE, REVENUE.
LET'S JUST WHY CAN'T WE TAKE THIS INCREMENTALLY AND HANDLE ONE STEP AT A TIME AND COME UP WITH A PLAN IN ORDER TO HANDLE IT AND INCREMENTALLY APPROACH AS YOU'RE GROWING TO DEAL WITH IT.
SO, WHETHER IT'S HARD ASSETS OR PERSONNEL ALONG THE WAY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SEVEN YEAR PLAN TO SYSTEMICALLY ADDRESS SHORT FALLS. I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT OVER TIME.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS ALL AT ONE TIME. YOU TALK ABOUT RAISING TAXES.
YOU KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THAT. I HAVE BEEN FIRM ON IT. YOU HEARD A RECOMMENDATION OF TDT. MOST OF THAT HAS BEEN SPENT WHICH ACTUALLY OUR PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY, OUR RESIDENTS ARE PAYING FOR SUBSIDIZING FOR THAT KIND OF EFFORT.
NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHIFTING THAT BURDEN TO OUR PEOPLE. WE DON'T WANT TO RAISE AD VALOREMBUT THAT BURDEN GETS PUT ON THEM. SALES TAX AND CONSUMPTION TAX IS ONE THING. I WANT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN OVER TIME.
IT DOESN'T GET CURED IN ONE FAIL SWOOP EITHER. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ADDRESS.
AS THE SAYING GOES. HOW DO YOU EAT AN ELEPHANT? ONE BITE AT A TIME.
>> WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO RAISE SALES TAX. THAT GOES TO THE PUBLIC.
THE PUBLIC VOTES ON THAT. >> NO WE DON'T BUT WE PUT IT ON A BALLOT.
AND THE COST OF PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT. THE ISSUE OF WHEN TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT. THE SCHOOL BOARD PUT A BALLOT ON IT THEMSELVES.
THOSE THINGS ARE VERY SENSITIVE. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. I WILL FINISH MY COMMENT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO RAISE THE SALES TAX. THE PUBLIC CAN MAKE THAT
DECISION >> WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE RESIDENTS MOVING HERE AND NEED TO ADDRESS THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS WE'RE HAVING. WE HEARD ALL DAY RESIDENTS BRINGING CONCERNS WITH THE GROWTH HERE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. I WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE HERE. THEY WERE SEVERAL OPTIONS HERE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE BEST OPTION. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND
ADDRESS THIS. COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> WELL AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OUR CHANGES IN THE WORKSHOPS.
IN ALL REALITY. IMPACT FEES ARE SUPPOSED TO PAY BUT IT'S NOT.
WHEN YOU'RE, YOU LOOK AT THE THING TO DO. THE SCHOOL BOARD IS GIVING $111,000 AN ACRE AND CALLING IT A DONATION AT $14 MILLION FOR THREE SCHOOL SITES.
JUST LIKE WE'RE GIVING A FIRE STATION SITE, IT SOUNDS GREAT, WE'RE NOT GIVING IT.
WE'RE PAYING FOR IT AND PAYING TOP DOLLAR WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO KNOW UP FRONT WHAT IS NEEDED AND WHAT THE COST WILL BE BEFORE WE VOTE ON ANYTHING. THE WAY IT LOOKS TODAY, THAT'S $111,000 AN ACRE, HE PROBABLY PAID LESS $3,000 AN ACRE. THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT HE PAID
FOR IT. THANK YOU. >> THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> IT ALSO COMES DOWN TO PLANNING AND EFFICIENCIES.
WHEN YOU TRY TO PIECEMEAL THINGS TOGETHER, IT GETS LESS EFFICIENT AND MORE COSTLY.
SO WHEN YOU PLAN A FIRE SAN DIEGO STATE OR GOVERNMENT BUILDING, I WAS JUST IN PINELLES
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COUNTY ON SATURDAY AND THERE WAS A FIRE STATION AND FOOTBALL FIELDS ALL AROUND IT AND A LIBRARY INSIDE OF THAT ONE, WHICH IS THE DENSEST POPULATION IN STATE.IT WAS A WISE USE OF THAT LAND AND EFFICIENT USE FOR GOVERNMENT SERVICES.
THIS IS AN OVERALL PLAN. WE'RE PLANNING FOR GROWTH. ONE OF PROBLEMS WE HAVE AND CHIEF WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. HASTINGS IS AN OUT LIAR THAT REQUIRES JUST AS MUCH SERVICE AS ANY OTHER PLACE AND NOT NEARLY ACTIVE AS OTHER PLACES IN THE COUNTY.
WHEN WE PLAN IN REGARD TO GROWTH, WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OR WE GREATER WEIGHT MORE PROBLEMS THAN SALVING IT. THAT'S WHERE IT COMES TO PLANNING AND A LOT OF TIMES, WE HAVE SEEN IN LIGHT OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN USE PLAN, IT BECOMES FLUID AND NOT WELL PUT TOGETHER IN REGARD TO PLANNING TO MAKE EFFICIENCY USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
SO, YOU TALK ABOUT FOR EVERY ACTION THERE'S AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION.
WE NEED A PLAN TO ADDRESS THIS. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA WE TOOK GOVERNMENT-OWNED LAND.
I SEE STATION 11. 11 IS MOVING OUT THERE TO 206 AND 95.
THAT'S A GOOD MOVE WITH UTILIZING THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.
I WILL COMMEND COMMISSIONER WALDRON FOR THAT. I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA AND A GREAT PLAN THAT'S HELPING TO ASSIST WITH THE WHOLE SITUATION AND THANK FOR SAFER
GRANT. >> WE SHOULD ALL BE GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
I THINK GOING FORWARD. IF THERE'S BOARD CONSENSUS. I WOULD LIKE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO BRING OPTIONS. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS AND NOT HAVE A PLAN GOING FORWARD.
WE NEED TO ADDRESS SOMETHING. I THINK WE CAN'T HEAR THAT AND NOT MOVE FORWARD.
IS THERE AGREEMENT ON THAT? DISAGREEMENT? OKAY.
SO, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO WORK WITH STAFF OR OR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE THIS STUDY. THIS PROVIDES A ROAD MAP FOR US. WE'RE NOT MAKING THE DECISION ON WHAT FUNDING SOURCES TODAY. WE CAN EVALUATE WHAT OPTIONS MAKE SENSE.
YOU HAVE HEARD COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD TODAY. WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ANOTHER
COMMENT FROM COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST >> FORGIVE ME MR. CHAIR.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO ROLL IN THE SHERIFF'S GAME PLAN OR MUDDYING THE WATERS TO DO THAT?
I'M REALLY ASKING STAFF. >> I THINK THAT DEPENDS ON THE DIRECTION OF THIS BOARD.
THERE'S A COUPLE PIECES GOING ON. ONE IS LOOKING AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE FUTURE FIRE RESCUE. WHETHER THREE, FIVE, SEVEN, 10 YEAR PLAN AND AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE. LOOKING AT THE OVERALL PLAN FOR COUNTY FACILITIES OVER THE NEXT FIVE, 10, 15 YEARS. THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS. ONE RELATED TO FIRE RESCUE AND THE REMAINDER OF COUNTY FACILITIES AND GOVERNMENT USES. SO ADMINISTRATION OBVIOUSLY IN WORKING WITH STAFF WITH GO WHATEVER DIRECTION THE BOARD WANTS. JUST CLARITY FOR THE FIVE OF Y'ALL. WHAT DIRECTION YOU WANT US TO GO.
>> I WILL WITHDRAW THAT NOTION. I KNOW IT'S GOING TO COME UP WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
LET'S GO BY COMMISSIONERS. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID ENOUGH TODAY.
I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE INTEGRAL ALTOGETHER. SOMETIMES THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING, THERE NEEDS TO BE FORESIGHT AND UNDERSTANDING. SOMEBODY HAS TO HAVE THAT VISION. THIS BOARD IS GOING TO CHANGE. I ASSURE YOU IT WILL CHANGE IN A YEAR. I WILL NOT BE HERE. THAT'S A FACT.
AS THIS BOARD CHANGES AND MORPHS, THERE HAS TO BE A CONSOLIDATED EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THE EFFICIENCIES ARE MET. WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ACQUISITION OR EVEN THE UTILIZATION OF IS CERTAIN ASSETS WE HAVE.
THERE HAS TO BE INSIGHT. I DON'T LIKE THE SILOING OF A PARTICULAR ENTITY LIKE THE SHERIFF HIMSELF AND NOT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT. WE HAVE A SHERIFF THAT'S WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND ENGAGED WITH US THIS BOARD AND WANTS TO HELP AND DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF COUNTY. I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD THING TO WORK WITH.
WE NEED TO TALK AND TO COMMUNICATE AND UTILIZE WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR PEOPLE. THE HARMONIZED STATIONS AND THAT STATION FIVE WORKS WELL.
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IT WORKS OUT FOR EVERYBODY. WHEN IT COMES TO GOVERNMENT, THERE'S SOMETIMES THERE IS A LACK OF INTERACTION, A LACK OF COMMUNICATION, AND IT ENDS UP COSTING MORE AND IT'S NOT NEARLY AS EFFICIENT OR AS WISE. AND I JUST, THAT'S WHY I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AN INTEGRAL WORKING, NOT SAYING THIS DOESN'T NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY BUT RIGHTFUL PRUDENT APPROACHDON'T BE WASTEFUL. BE EFFICIENT. >> I AGREE.
WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK WE NEED TO, IN MY OPINION, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS COME BACK WITH A PLAN AND TIMELINE FOR ADDRESSING IT.
WE HAVE GREAT COMMUNICATION WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND I THINK THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE GOING ON INDEPENDENT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. SO I THINK WE CAN CAPTURE THAT AND COME BACK WITH SOME TANGIBLE DECISION POINTS. I PREFER NOT TO HEAR THIS INFORMATION, ABSORB IT AND MOVE ON AND DO NOTHING. WE NEED TO START GETTING THIS ON THE ROAD AND MOVING FORWARD. SO, MR. COMRADE. I'M SURE YOU JUST NEED FURTHER CLARIFICATION. YOU HEARD WHAT WE SAID TODAY. DO YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION OR DO
YOU NEED FURTHER? >> JUST FOR CLARITY. I HEAR ADDRESSING WHAT FIRE RESCUE HAS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU RELATED TO WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN TODAY TO BRING THAT BACK AT A FUTURE DATE FOR SOME SORT OF SUGGESTIONS AND SECONDLY AN OVERALL PLAN FOR GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS AND USES OF COUNTY LANDS AND FACILITIES GOING FORWARD.
THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS BUT THEY ARE INTERTWINED AS COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID.
WE CAN BRING BOTH FORWARD IF THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. STAFF WILL BEGIN WORK ON BOTH OF THOSE THINGS AND BRING YOU BACK WHATEVER MEASURES OR TIMELINES ARE NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE
THAT. >> THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD, IF THERE'S DISAGREEMENT.
THE SECOND PART IS THE REAL ESTATE AND FACILITIES. THERE MIGHT BE OTHER LANDS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. I'M SURE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS ALREADY ASSESSING THAT. ALSO LOOK AT THE FUNDING OPTIONS AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE GRANTS LAST. DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING.
[11. South Ponte Vedra One-time Dune Restoration Project Update]
THE FUNDING MAY NOT BE THERE TOMORROW. JUST BECAUSE WE GOT IT TODAYDOESN'T MEAN TELL LAST >> ANYTHING FURTHER FROM BOARD?
>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS Y'ALL FOR COMING.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONFIDENCE IN US AND THE HELP OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
>> THANK YOU NEXT TIME. WHERE THAT JACKET AND WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
>> WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 11. THE SOUTH PONTE VEDA BEACH UPDATE.
SO THIS IS A QUICK HISTORY OF THE PROJECT. THE PROJECT IS ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS COMBINED INTO ONE. BETWEEN 76 AND 101 AND SARNATA FROM 101 TO 103. IT'S A ONE-TIME SAND PLACEMENT PROJECT.
IT IS A DREDGE PROJECT. IN 2019, THE COST ESTIMATE WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE SHY OF 14 MILLION. DOLLAR $13.5 BILLION. WE HAVE AN ENGINEER DOING OUR DESIGN AND WE UPDATED THE COST ESTIMATE AND TODAY'S MARKET WE'RE THINKING $17 MILLION BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION. SO, AGAIN, A LITTLE HISTORY. WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT, WE WENT OUT AND DID SURVEYS. WE DID TWO SEPARATE SURVEYS. THEY TALKED ABOUT IN THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA WAS BASICALLY DO THE RESIDENTS WANT THIS PROJECT? IF YOU DO WANT THIS PROJECT, ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY UP TO $4 MILLION FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THERE COULD BE TDT MONEY AND THIS PARTICULAR FUNDING AS A DEP HURRICANE MATTHEW 50% MATCH UP TO $10 MILLION TO HELP FUND THAT PROJECT. SO THERE WAS 269 PARCELS SURVEYED. 66.5 % PNS. OF THE 66.5, 77.7 GREED WITH THE
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PROJECT AND THE MSTU. SER SERENADA, THE SAME.IT'S 1.5 MILLS FOR 10 YEARS. FULLY FUNDED WITH THE MSTU. AND THAT SURVEY HAD 89 SURVEYS THAT WENT OUT. 82% RESPONSE RATE. THAT LED THE BOARD TO CREATE THE MSTU, HOWEVER NOW MILLAGE HAS BEEN LEVIED TO DATE. AT THE SAME BOARD MEETING.
THE BOARD AUTHORIZED THE STAFR TO GO FORWARD AND DO THE NECESSARY PAPER FOR FINANCING.
THAT WILL COME IN NEXT YEAR. WHERE WE ARE TODAY. THIS IS WHY I WANTED TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD. WE ARE AT 90% PROJECT COMPLETION IN THE DESIGN.
WE SHOULD HAVE 100% SOON WHICH WILL HAVE THE SPECIFICATIONS TO GO TO PROCUREMENT TO GO FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION IF THE BOARD SO CHOOSES. WE HAVE PERMITTING JUST ABOUT DONE. WE HAVE A COUPLE LOOSE ENDS BUT THE PERMITS SHOULD BE
>>> WE HAVE ESTABLISHED A ROTOR CONTROL LINE WHICH IS A BIG DEAL FOR US IN THE BEACH WORLD AND GO OUT WITH EASEMENTS. 98.2% EASEMENT RETAINED. HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATION AND BOTH
AT 100% EASEMENTS OBTAINED IN THAT AREA. >> THE NEXT STEPS, WHAT DO WE KNOW TO DO NEXT? RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE AFFORDABLE RESCUE ACT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY POTENTIAL FUNDING IN THERE TO HELP OFF-SET SOME OF THIS COSTS, SO THEY STILL LOOK AT THAT, IF THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION WHAT IS WE'RE DOING NEXT IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CRUX BID DOCUMENTS. WE'LL GO OUT TO BID AND THEY GET THE REAL NUMBER OF WHAT THE COSTS WILL BE. AT THE SAME TIME WE'LL DO THE FINANCIAL DOCUMENTATION.
WHEN THAT'S DONE AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING THREE TO FOUR MONTHS FROM NOW, THAT WE WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD WITH THOSE CONTRACTS AND THAT FINAL PRICE AND THE FINANCE CONTRACTS SO THE BOARD CAN SO CHOOSE TO AFFORD OR HAVE THEIR OPTION AT THAT TIME.
IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD IN FISCAL YEAR '23, IT COULD BE LEVIED BASED ON WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN CREATED. AND THAT IS REALLY THE UPDATE, I REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNEW THE NEXT THREE TO FOUR MONTHS THAT WE WILL BE COMING BACK WITH THE PROJECT AND HAVING THE FINAL NUMBERS SO YOU ARE AWARE THAT THAT'S MOVING FORWARD.
AND WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> HAD ALL RIGHT, WHY DON'T WE
GO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON 9 AND 11.
THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA ONE-TIME PLACEMENT BEACH PRODUCT. YES, SIR.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS GUY RASH. I LIVE AT STAY WITH 03 SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. TO LET YOU KNOW, I'VE ALSO BEEN A MEMBER OF THE PRESERVATION ASSOCIATION FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS NOW. FEMA FUNDS HAVE BECOME AVAILABLE FOR THE STORMS OF 2016 AND 17 AND NOW ONLY FROM NORTH PONTE VEDRA.
HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? THE COUNTY HAS CREATED AN EQUITABLE SITUATION HERE'S HOW WE SEE IT. SUDDENLY FEMA FUNDS EARMARKED AS, QUOTE, FUNDING OF LAST RESORT, UNQUOTE, BECOME AVAILABLE TO NORTH PONTE VEDRA PROPERTY OWNERS, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND BUSINESSES WHO IN MANY CASES BASED ON COMMENTS MADE AT RECENT PUBLIC MEETINGS DON'T NEED OR EVEN WANT THE SAND. IN FACT, THEY REFUSE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA MSU PROJECT. COMPARE THAT TO SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BEACH THAT IS, QUOTE, CRITICALLY ERODED, WHERE THE 271 PROPERTIES INCLUDING IN -- INCLUDED IN THE MSTU WERE DESTROYED AND BULLDOZED AFTER HURRICANE IRMA AND SEVERAL OTHERS STILT LEFT VACANT AND NOT ABLE TO BE REBUILT. IN ADDITION, NOW WE HEAR THAT IT'S PROJECTED THAT THE COST OF THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA MSTU PROJECT MAY HAVE INCREASED BY MORE THAN $3 MILLION OR MORE THAN 22% DUE TO THE EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME SINCE FIRST
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APPROVED. WE CANNOT SEE HOW THIS POTENTIAL COST INCREASE SHOULD BE A SHARED BURDEN ON THE SOUTH UPON A SCREED VEDRA PROPERTY OWNERS WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SAND FOR MORE THAN 30 MONTHS SINCE APPROVAL. WE WOULD URGE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS TO REVISIT THE FUNDING FOR THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA PROJECT TO RECEIVE ADDITIONAL FUNDS FROM THE AMERICAN RECOVERY FUND OR FEMA, WHOSE EXCUSE FOR LEAVING US OUT OF THE UPCOMING EMERGENCY PROJECT IS BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A FUNDED PROJECT.EVEN THOUGH THAT FUND SOMETHING ON THE BACKS OF HOMEOWNERS AND HASN'T EVEN BEGUN.
ADDITIONALLY, WE WOULD ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO STRONGLY CONSIDER USING THE BULK OF BEACH FUNDS NOW MADE POSSIBLE BY THE 40% SHARE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ACTS TO 11 THE PLAYING FIELD BETWEEN THE MULTIPLE BEACH PRONGS ALREADY APPROVED BEFORE MOVING ON TO FUNDING ANY NEW BEACH PROJECTS. TO ILLUSTRATE, THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA PROJECT PROVIDES A $4 MIL TAX FOR 10 YEARS COMPARED TO ZERO AT NORTH PONTE VEDRA AND FEMA PROJECT AND .5 MIL TAX FOR THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS PROJECT AND A RUMORED 1 MIL NSTU FOR AN ANTICIPATED NORTH PONTE VEDRA PHASE 2 PROJECT. WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS A LITTLE EQUITY AND FAIRNESS IN HOW THE FUNDS ARE DOLED OUT FROM THE COUNTY. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 12? MAY I TAKE A MOMENT?
>> PLEASE. LET ME JUST SHARE MY THOUGHTS. >> I WORKED AS HARD AS I COULD OVER THE LAST YEAR, AS RECENTLY AS LAST THURSDAY IN DELRAY BEACH TO MEET WITH THE DIRECTOR OF THE FEMA PROGRAM IN FLORIDA THAT'S BEEN WORKING WITH OUR STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANT AND I URGED HIM, ASKED HIM, BEGGED HIM REALLY IF FEMA WOULD RECONSIDER INCLUDING THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BEACH PRONG, AND HE SAID HE TOLD ME THURSDAY HE WOULD GO BACK AND TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT.
BUT THE FEMA ACROSS THE BOARD RULE OR POSITION IS THAT IF THERE IS ANOTHER FEDERAL STATE LOCAL PROJECT THAT'S FUNDING THE PROJECT THEN FEMA WON'T FUND IT. THAT'S WHY, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S NOT THE THREE-MILE STRETCH IS NOT INCLUDED. BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A FEDERAL PROJECT. IT'S WHY THE SOUTH -- THE SOUND IS BEING BEACH FEDERAL PROJECT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE FEEMENT MA BERM. AND IT'S NOT JUST NORTH PONTE VEDRA THAT'S GETTING THE FEMA BERM. THE AREA SOUTH OF CRESCENT BEACH WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED IN A PROJECT IS GETTING A FEMA BERM. WE APPROVED THAT.
WE WORKED ON THAT. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING TO GET FEMA TO GREA WITH REASON AND RATIONALITY THAT FEMA -- THE FEMA BERM ENHANCEMENT SHOULD APPLY TO THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA PROJECT. WE'VE ALSO ASKED, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRA AREA THAT ROUGHLY FIVE MILE STRETCH, WE WENT BACK TO THE CORPS AND ASKED THEM TO INCLUDE THAT STRETCH AND THE CORPS FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT IS GOING FORWARD THAT WE HAVE APPROVED. SO I WILL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU THAT I THINK THIS PARTICULAR STRETCH IS BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY AND INEQUITABLY AND I'M TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO MAKE IT MORE EQUAL. AND INCLUDING AT SOME POINT POSSIBLY GETTING A PORTION OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN REVENUE EARMARKED FOR THIS PROJECT. SO I'M GONNA KEEP AT IT, AND I'M FRUSTRATED WITH THE FEMA POSITION. I THINK THAT THIS IS A STRETCH OF BEACH THAT REALLY NEEDS HELP BECAUSE IT'S CRITICALLY ERODED AND WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE FEDERAL PROJECT AND COULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE FEMA BERM ENHANCEMENT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY JUST ONE TIME PLACEMENT I'M IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH THE HOMEOWNERS, JUST CAN'T GET FEMA
TO AGREE WITH ME. >> ANY FURTHER COMMENT? >> YOU KNOW, I GROO HE WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN. I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS BUREAUCRATIC MESS HAS KIND OF BEEN CREATED AND PUT THE HOMEOWNERS IN A DIFFICULT POSITION.
I KNOW WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS WITH MR. JIAMAKKA. IT'S UNFORTUNATE, I'D LIKE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT OPTIONS SO WE CAN TRY TO ASSIST WITH THIS.
I KNOW SOME OF THIS IS OUTSIDE OUR CONTROL, BUT WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO PUSH THIS, I
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KNOW COMMISSIONER DEAN HAS BEEN LOBBYING FEMA DIRECTLY. YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHTS THAT YOUCAN SHARE US WITH, EDUCATE NEWS. >> WHERE WE ARE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT EVERY FUNDING
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OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN, WE HAVEN'T STOPPED, SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOROTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. >> WHATEVER WILL BE BROUGHT AND TAKE ACTION ON THAT.
IT WASN'T INTENTIONAL BUT ONE OF THE UNFORTUNATE BUREAUCRATIC ISSUES THAT'S COME UP.
>> YES, SIR. >>> IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER? >> THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. APPRECIATE IT. >> LET'S MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM
NO. 12. >> THIS IS ALSO ONE OF MY PRESENTATIONS, THE VILLAGE OF ALLON OH GAZEBO PROJECT. THIS IS REQUESTED TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD.
SO IN JANUARY OF 2021, THE ARMY CORPS COMPLETED THE SAND PROJECT IN THAT AREA, AND THE BLFERS ALLON OH HAS A GAZEBO THAT'S IN THE PROJECT AREA. AND SO THE CONTRACTOR FOR THE ARMY CORPS WHEN THEY HAVE COMPLETED THE PROJECT, THEY BASICALLY PUSHED THE SAND AND MADE THE SAND UP TO THE GROUND LEVEL OF THE GAZEBO. USED TO BE A BIG DROP IF YOU WERE ABLE TO JUMP OFF THE GAZEBO, THERE WAS A DROP IN THE SAND AND NOW IT'S ALMOST A LEVEL FIELD THERE. HOWEVER, THE VILLAGES OF ALLON OH HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATION WAS DOING SOME REPAIRS TO THE AGEEB OH AND WHEN THEY PULLED SOME OF THE BOARDS UP THEY NOTICED THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAZEBO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A HOLE WHERE THE SAND CAME UP TO THE SIDES BUT ACTUALLY DIPPED INSIDE. AND SO THEY FEEL IT IS A SAFETY HAZARD.
THEY WENT TO THE ARMY CORPS, THE ARMY CORPS WENT OUT THERE AND DISAGREED AND SAID THAT THEY WOULD SEE THAT IT WAS A DANGER AND BASICALLY TOLD THE RESIDENTS NO.
AND SO THE RESIDENT CASS TO THE COUNTY AND ASK WHAT HAD WE COULD DO.
THEY HAD A, QUOTE IN HAND. WE HAVE TO USE THE RULES AND PROCESS AND WENT OUT TO SEVEN OR EIGHT DIFFERENT CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE ON HAND TO TRY TO GET AN ESTIMATE.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE SHY OF THE $35,000 TO DO THAT PROJECT. IT SEEMS HIGH, BUT IT IS GOING THROUGH PERMITTING DESIGN, WATCHING IT. IT'S NOT A VERY EASY LOCATION.
YOU JUST DRIVE A TRUCK AND DUMP SAND, YOU HAVE TO GET A CARRIER OR BASICALLY LIFT SAND ACROSS THE ROAD AND BRING IT OVER THERE. BUT THAT'S THE COST THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE ALSO CONTINUING TO LOOK AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER COST ESTIMATE FOR A PROPOSAL. BUT BASICALLY THE VILLAGE OF ALANO DID EXPRESS INTEREST THAT THEY WOULD PAY FOR HALF THE PROJECT.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. IF THE BOARD SO CHOOSE TO HAVE A MOTION FOR -- TO MOVE FORWARD IF
THEY SO CHOOSE TO. AND I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> S THERE ANY COMMENT FOR THE
BOARD? >> DO WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THE HOLE FOR THIS BOWL UNDER THE GAZEBO? I SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT, I SAW THE PICTURE FROM ATOP, BUT --
>> SO I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. WE CAN GO GET IT REALLY QUICK.
BUT BASICALLY YOU HAVE A GAZEBO AND DECKING. THEY TOOK THE DECKING UP, AND THEY CAN SEE THERE'S NO SAND UNDERNEATH THE DECKING. THERE'S A PICTURE OF NO SANDING UNDER THE DECKING OF LIKE A 2 BY 4 ABOUT 6 FEET DOWN UNDER THE DECKING.
BUT IF YOU WALK OFF THE SIDE OF THE DECKING, THE SAND IS LEVEL WITH THAT.
>> BUT YOU'D HAVE TO PEW THE PLANKS OF THE GAZEBO UP? >> CORRECT.
>> HAD ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE IT. THANK YOU.
>> LET'S HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER WALTER NEXT. >> IT'S ON THE BEACH, I'M NOT
ACTUALLY SURE. THE OWNER OF THE GAZEBO. >> CAN WE HAVE MR. MCCORMICK
COME UP AND ADDRESS THE BOARD? >> SURE. >> LAWRENCE MCCORMICK 106 HEINRICH CIRCLE. THE GAZEBO AND BRIDGE, WHICH WE JUST REPLACED WITH A STEEL BRIDGE, IS THE PROPERTY OF VILLAGES OF ALANO. WAY BACK WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED, THE DEVELOPER SEATED BEACH PROPERTY AS WELL AS LAND PROPERTY AND ANOTHER BRING JUST NORTH OF OUR BRIDGE TO THE COUNTY AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT TO BUILD THE VILLAGE OF ALANO.
BUT OUR BRIDGE WE JUST REPLACE IT AT A COST OF ABOUT $300,000, ALL FROM OUR RESERVE FUNDS, AND
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THIS OTHER PROJECT WAS JUST APPROVED, THEY LIFTED THE FLOORBOARDS AND THERE WAS THIS BIG HOLE AND IT WAS CONTINUOUS TO SINK IN LIKE A FUNNEL. SO ANY CHILD THAT CAME TO THE EDGES, WE'VE NOW PUT A SAFETY RED FENCE AROUND IT TO ALERT PEOPLE BUT THIS HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET IT RESOLVED.>> THE ONLY WAY WAS WHEN I PROPOSED THAT WE DO -- CAN'T WE NEGOTIATE A SHARING PROPOSITION.
COMMISSIONER DEAN AND I MET. HE SAID HE BELIEVED THAT IT WAS A DANGEROUS SITUATION.
>> OUR CONTRACTOR WHO WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE COUNTY SUBMITTED A $23,000 -- $23,540 PROPOSAL AND APPARENTLY HE WAS CONTACTED TO BE A SUBCONTRACTOR TO ONE OF THE APPROVED CONTRACTORS, BUT HE'S NO LONGER IN THE PICTURE FORECAST WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM MR. DOUGLAS.
SO -- AND BY THE WAY, THEY JUST -- HERE'S WHAT THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS SAID, TO HAVE A LARGE COMPANY HAND RAKE SAND UNDERNEATH EVERY SINGLE STRUCTURE WOULD BE EXTREMELY LABOR INTENSE ASSIST AND INCREASE THE COSTS EXPEDIENTIALLY.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S AN EXAGGERATION ON THIS MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR PROJECT, BUT THAT WAS THEIR OPINION, THEIR RESPONSE, AND AGAIN, THEY TURNED US DOWN FOR ANY -- THEY SAID THE
PROJECT WAS CLOSED. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.
>> THROUGH PURCHASING OR WHATEVER, WHY ARE WE NOT ALLOWING A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR
WHO WORKED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY? >> SO THE WAIT IT WAS PRESENTED TO US WAS THAT WE WANTED TO -- THEY WANTED TO COST SHARE WITH US, AND US TO DO OUR -- I GUESS OUR CONTRACTING WAY TO DO BUSINESS, AND SO IF WE WERE GOING TO PAY THE BILLS, WE HAVE TO USE OUR NORMAL CONTRACTING NAVIGATES, WHICH ARE THE FASTEST WAY INSTEAD OF GOING OUT TO BID, IS WE HAVE CONTINUING CONTRACTS IN PLACE WITH COASTAL ENGINEERS THAT WOULD NORMALLY DO PERMITTING AND OVERSIGHT AND DESIGN OF A PROJECT. SO WE REACHED OUT TO THOSE EIGHT OR NINE COMPANIES TO DO THE PROPER WAY TO EXPEND COUNTY FUNDS PROPERLY. I MEAN, IT -- WE'RE NOT A
PRIVATE ENTITY, SO WE'D HAVE TO USE OUR OWN RULES. >> I HAVE A LOT OF ACTION TO TAKE PUBLIC MONEY AND USE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. MY QUESTION IS IF WE JUST GAVE THEM SOME FUNDS, WOULD THEY NOT BE ABLE TO GO ABOUT IT IN THEIR OWN WAY? CHEAPER. IF THEY HAVE A BID FOR $23,000 TO COVER ALL OF IT, IF OUR BID
IS ESTIMATED AT $35, WHY WOULD WE -- >> SO, I WILL ALSO SAY FROM THE $24,000 BID, I'M NOT SURE IF ALL OF THE PERMITS WERE INVOLVED WITH THAT OR --
>> THAT'S THEIR POSITION. >> I UNDERSTAND, SIR, AND -- >> I DON'T MEAN TO BE --
>> I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IFTH CHEAPER FOR THEM, A PRIVATE EVEN TOILET GO, WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT ENTITY COMING IN PLACE AND SPENDING MORE FOUNDS DO IT THAT WAY.
I GUESS IT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT DECISION TO JUST PROVIDE FUNDING TO THE BUILDERS OF ALANO AND US
PAY FOR THE BILLS, THAT COULD BE AN OPTION. >> OKAY.
THANK YOU. >> I DO HAVE A PICTURE OF THE GAZEBO.
>> THANK YOU. >> AS YOU'RE DOING THAT, WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER DEAN.
>> WELL, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE SPOKEN UP FIRST AND LAID THE GROUND WORK, AT LEAST WERE MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT I REALLY RECOMMENDED THIS AGENDA ITEM AS IT'S WRITTEN TO BOTH THE STAFF AND TO MR. MCCORMICK WHEN WE MET. THE WAY I SEE THIS IS THAT THIS SAFETY HAZARD WAS AND STILL IS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE BEACH RENOURISHMENT EFFORT WHICH WAS A WONDERFUL RESULT, A WONDERFUL EFFORT THAT IT HAD ONE SMALL UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE IN THE BIG PICTURE AND CREATED THIS CAVERNOUS HOLE WHICH NEATH THIS GAZEBO.
AND SO WHEN MR. MCCORMICK APPROACHED ME, I THOUGHT IN FAIRNESS AND TO DO THE RIGHT THING, IN MY OPINION, I OFFERED A 50/50 SPLIT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THIS SAFETY HAZARD FIXED. AND THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD THAT WE WOULD CHIP IN
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50% BECAUSE TO METH THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I DON'T WANT THIS SAFETY HAZARD.I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD DO IF I FOUND OUT, YOU KNOW, A CHILD FELL IN AND KILLED HIMSELF BECAUSE THIS SUSPECT FIXED. SO IT WAS MY SUGGESTION THAT THE STAFF REPAIR THE ITEMS AND WE DO THIS. I AM TOTALLY OPEN HAVING A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR NEGOTIATE WITH THE VILLAGE OF ALANO BUT I WAS TOLD BY STAFF THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE IT. BUT I GUESS I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT JUMPING IN FIRST AND OUTLINING HOW THIS ORIGINATEED BY MY SUGGESTION, IS WHAT IT WAS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THIS PROJECT. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH THE AGREEMENT UNLESS MCCORMICK TELLS ME THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE -- THAT WE ENTER THE PRIVATE AGREEMENT AND WE WOULD SHARE THAT COST 50/50. I CAN PLAY IT FLAT OR ROUND, EITHER WAY. BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT I HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY AS DISTRICT 5 COMMISSIONER TO ADDRESS THIS LIABILITY, THIS SAFETY FACTOR THAT WAS -- THAT IT CREATED WITH NO INPUT FROM THE HOA. I MEAN CONTINUING WASN'T THEIR FAULT.
IT WAS -- WELL, YOU HEARD WHAT THE COURT'S POSITION IS. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. MR. SMITH.
>> THE U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS SAID THERE WAS NO SAFETY HAZARD; IS THAT CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. >> WHAT WAS YOUR BASIS? OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A CONFLICT OF WORDS HERE. ONE SAYS THERE'S A SAFETY HAS ARRESTED AND ANOTHER SAYS
THERE'S NOT. >> SO THE CORPS' POSITION WAS WHEN THEY WENT OUT THERE, YOU CAN SEE MORE IN THE BOTTOM PICTURE, THE SAND COMES UP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE GAZEBO THERE.
BEFORE THAT SAND WAS THERE, THAT WAS A HUGE DROP. THEIR POSITION WAS THAT THE SAND IS UP TO THE GAZEBO FLOOR, IF YOU WILL, AND THAT THERE WAS NO ISSUE OF SOMEONE FALLING IN UNLESS YOU'VE HAD THE BOARD REMOVED FROM THE GAZEBO FLOOR, AND THAT'S WHAT WE GOT FROM THE
CORPS. >> OKAY. >> ARE THERE OTHER VOIDS IN THIS COUNTY THAT NEED FILLING, ANY OTHER HOLES THAT NEED FILLING TOO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY? IS THAT WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO? THIS IS A PRIVATE PROPERTY, CORRECT?
>> I BELIEVE SO, YES. >> THAT'S WHERE IT GETS REAL STICKY WITH ME, BECAUSE ARE THERE OTHER PRIVATE FLOORS WE WILL NEED TO THEN ADDRESS OR IS THIS A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE CREATED BY OURSELVES? THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED PHILOSOPHICALLY
BUT WE HAVE THIS MCCORMICK BUSINESS -- CAN WE HEAR FROM MR. MCCORMICK FIRST?
NOT RELATED, BY THE WAY. >> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
WE DON'T EVEN QUITE SPELL IT, HE'S AN MAC, I'M AN MC. IF I MAY, FIRST OF ALL, THE
COUNTY IS THE -- >> WE ARE THE LOCAL SPONSOR. >> LOCAL SPONSOR OF THE CORPS PROJECT, AND AS PART OF THE COUNTY'S AGREEMENT WITH THE CORPS, RIGHT, I THINK WE HAD
AGREED TO ESSENTIALLY IDENTIFY AND HOLD HARMLESS THE CORPS? >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
THERE'S A LIMITED HOLD HARMLESS PROVISION IN OUR PROJECT PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY DAMAGES THAT WOULD BE THE RESULT OF THE FAULT OR NEGLIGENCE OF THE CORPS OR ITS CONTRACTORS, BUT THERE STILL COULD POTENTIALLY BE SOME
INSTANCES WHERE THAT HOLD HARMLESS WAS APPLY. >> SO MY SENSE, THE STRENGTH OF POTENTIAL COUNTY LIABILITY IS NOT STRONG. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT ABSENT.
IT IS NOT ZERO. AND I WOULD LIKE TO, IF I MAY THROUGH THE SHARE, ASK MR. MCCORMICK A FEW QUESTIONS. YOU CAN SEE THE PHOTOS UP ON THE SCREEN THERE.
>> YES, SIR. >> AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAD BROUGHT IN ONE OR MORE PHOTOS IN
TODAY'S MEETING THAT IS SOMEHOW -- I THINK IS SOMEWHERE -- >> PRIOR TO THIS MEETING A WEEK
AGO. >> OKAY. AND IF I MAY ASK, WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU HAD ACTUALLY OBSERVED THE GAZEBO AND ESSENTIALLY DID IT LOOK SIMILAR TO THE PICTURES THERE? I GUESS I'M ASKING IN THE MOST FOCUSED WAY, CAN SOMEONE FROM THE BEACH GET UNDER THE GAZEBO WITHOUT GOING UP THROUGH THE GAZEBO? IN OTHER WORDS, CAN SOMEBODY FROM THE BEACH FALL INTO THAT HOLE FROM THE BEACH?
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>> DEFINITELY A SMALL CHILD. >> AND HOW -- WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT?
HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THAT? IS THERE A SPACE? >> YES.
>> THERE'S A SPACE BETWEEN THE END OF THE GAZEBO FLOOR AND THE SAND.
AND IT'S CONTINUING TO GO DOWN INTO THE. >> SO I'M AS CONCERNED ABOUT MR. CHAIR AND BOARD THAT WHEN THE CORPS PERHAPS REVIEWED THIS, OR INSPECTED THIS THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A CHANGE ON THE GROUND WHERE IT HAD NOT BEEN ACCESSIBLE DURING THE PREVIOUS INSPECTION
PERHAPS NOW IT MIGHT BE ACCESSIBLE. >> WELL, HE'S A LAY WITNESS
HERE. >> OH, SURE. >> YOU'RE NOT A SAFETY EXPERT ON
THIS -- >> NO, HE'S NOT. BUT I'M ASKING HIM IN, YOU KNOW -- I'M SURE HE'S A BEACHGOER. IS IT POSSIBLE TO ACCESS OR FALL INTO, YOU KNOW, THAT HOLE FROM
THE BEACH WITHOUT GOING UP INTO THE GAZEBO. >> I UNDERSTAND.
I JUST -- BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING HIM IN A DIFFICULT POSITION, ASKING HIM TO MAKE A SAFETY ASSESSMENT. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT, AND I THINK THE POINT IS WELL TAKEN. THE CONDITION MAY HAVE CHANGED SINCE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS
CAME, IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? >> NO. >> IT IS NOT.
>> I THINK IT'S -- WELL, LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY, I TOOK THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS A WEEK, MAYBE 10 DAYS AGO, OF THE CONDITION NOW, AND AV -- EVEN PROVIDED PICTURES OF THE PRESENTATION WHICH INDICATED THAT SAND WOULD BE PUT UNDER THE STAIRCASES AND UNDER THE EXISTING STRUCTURES ON THE BEACH AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS PUT OUT FOR ALL THE BEACH OWNERS.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS HOPING WOULD BE ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT WOULD BE SHOWN
TODAY. DO WE HAVE THAT? >> NO, I DON'T HAVE THOSE
PICTURES. SORRY. >> OKAY, WELL,.
>> THE CORPS DECIDED IT WASN'T DANGEROUS. IT CAME BACK TO THE PROJECT MANAGER HERE AT THE COUNTY, WHO SAID IT WASN'T DANGEROUS. IT WASN'T UNTIL I BROUGHT THE ISSUES TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COMMISSIONER DEAN THAT HE BELIEVED THAT IT WAS A DANGEROUS SITUATION AND IT DID NOT CONFORM TO WHAT THE PRESENTATION DONE BY THE COIN FOR ALL OF THOSE INTERESTED THAT THOSE STRUCTURES WOULD BE FILLED WITH SANDS. I WAS DOWN THERE PERSONALLY WHEN THEY ASKED US CAN WE FILL OVER YOUR STAIRCASE, DOWN TO SOME 20 STEPS TO WHERE THE BEACH HAD BEEN BEFORE THE RESTORATION. THAT'S HOW DEEP IT WAS. AND I GAVE THEM MY APPROVAL.
I TEXTED MY APPROVAL, AND THEN I ASKED THEM, ARE THEY GONNA BE FILLING IN UNDER THE GAZEBO? I WAS TOLD THEY WERE. MR. KITTLE, WHO'S ALSO A VILLAGE OF ALANO RESIDENT AND A PROPONENT FOR THE BEACH RESTORATION PROJECTS WAS THERE AND WAS TOLD ON A DIFFERENT DAY BY THE CONTRACTORS WHO WERE WORKING THERE, THAT THE GAZEBO WOULD BE FILLED IN UNDER THE --
THE SAND WOULD BE FILLED IN UNDER THE GAZEBO. >> LET'S GET TO COMMISSIONER
SMITH. WE -- >> MR. MCCORMICK, YOU MENTIONED, TOO, THAT THE U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS SAID THERE WAS NO SAFETY HAS CARD AND THEN THE PRONG MANAGER ALSO SAID THAT, THAT THERE WAS NO SAFETY HAZARD?
>> CORRECT. >> WHO WAS THAT? >> THAT WAS THE COASTAL
MANAGEMENT STAFF. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. >> IF WE COULD, SIR, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HOLD PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> WE WILL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 12. ITEM 12.
>> CAN I ALSO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? >> OH, SURE.
>> I HAVE A TWO-PAGE PRESENTATION. WE'VE COVERED MOST OF IT.
SO I'LL TRY TO GET RIGHT TO THE POINT. THAT HAS NOT BEEN COVERED.
>> I HAVE A BOARD MEETING TONIGHT WHERE I HAVE TO REPORT TO MY BOARD MEMBERSS AND MY CONSTITUENTS, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S COVERED. I THINK THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION
EVERYTHING'S BEEN COVERED. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> OKAY, PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.
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>> SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SETTING PRESS DEBT WHERE WE'RE GOING AROUND THE COUNTY FILLING IN HOLES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY JUST BECAUSE IT COULD BE, VERY LEGITIMATELY, A SAFETY ISSUE.
BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE COSTS, YOU KNOW, FOR $35,000 TO FILL IN A HOLE.
I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF BOYSCOUT TROOPS WHO NEED COMMUNITY SERVICE HOURS.
I MEAN, THERE'S MEMBERS OF ALANO BEACH WHO I'M SURE WOULD BE WILLING TO PICK UP A SHOVEL.
HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD IT COST TO GET THE SAND IN SORT OF A STAGING POSITION WHERE PEOPLE COULD THEN JUST HAVE A COMMUNITY SERVICE DAY WHERE EVERYTHING GETS OUT THERE AND COOKS SOME HAMBURGERS AND SHOVELS SAND INTO THE HOLE? I FEEL LIKE $35,000 IS A LOT TO FILL A HOLE, AND MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS AREA.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU, $35,000 SEEMS A LOT FOR THE AMOUNT OF SAND THAT'S THERE.
THE PERMITTING AND REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL OF THE RULES TO PLACE THAT SAND THERE ALSO BRINGS IN A BUFFERED -- IF YOU WILL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF DESIGN AND PERMITTING TO PUT THAT THERE. IF IT WAS STRICTLY JUST PUTTING SAND IN A HOLE, YOU WOULD JUST BASICALLY HAVE TO STAGE IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY, WALK OVER AND PLACE IT IN THE HOLE, WOULD BE THE COST OF SAND. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT FACTORS, THAT BRINGS
TO THAT COST. >> STILL GETTING THIEWTSZ THIS -- USED TO THIS GOVERNMENT MAP.
>> THAT'S WHY WE WENT TO EIGHT OR NINE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS TO TRY TO GET THE BEST PRICE WE
CAN. $35,000 IS A LOT OF MONEY. >> OKAY.
YES, SIR, THANK YOU. >> WELL, I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING COMMISSIONER DEAN SAID BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK THE REASON IS BROAD, BECAUSE THERE'S CONCERN THAT THE COUNTY PROJECTS OR ACTIONS MAW I HAVE TRINITIED TO THIS.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK FEMA MAYBE DIFFERENTIATES THIS AREA FROM OTHERS. THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS THAT COULD USE SOME HELP, THIS MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BASED ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE RENOURISHMENT THAT WAS GOING ON THERE. I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT. >> GO AHEAD. >> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE
ON FROM THIS. >> I UNDERSTAND. IF I COULD BRIEFLY DESCRIBE WHAT OUR CONTRACTOR TOLD US HOW HE WAS GONNA HANDLE IT, TWOFOLD DUMP TRUCKS OF SANDS, OF APPROVED SAND, WOULD BE BROUGHT IN TO THE VILLAGES OF ALANO PARKING LOT.
IT WOULD BE LOADED INTO SANDBAGS, PUT ON A FLAT BED. DRIVEN ACROSS THE STREET AT NIGHT WITH THE LANE CLOSURES, D.O.T. WOULD HAVE TO BE INVOLVED, AND THEN LIFT IT UP OVER THE DUNE, THE SANDBAGS WOULD BE OPEN AND LABOR WOULD BE THERE TO PUT IT UNDER THE GAZEBO. AND THE DNR AGREED THAT HAVE THE BEST SOLUTION IN TERMS OF NOT DISTURBING THE COS, WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN PLANTED. AND BY THE WAY, THE REGULAR VEGETATION IS NOW GROWING BACK DOWN ON THE DUNE, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS FOR THE WHOLE SITUATION.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WAS DESCRIBED TO US, IS HOW IT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN.
YOU CAN'T BRING A BULLDOZER UP ON TO THE DUNE. IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN APPROVED
BY THE DNR. >> SURE, I UNDERSTAND. >> MR. MCCORMICK.
I'M SORRY, MCCORMICK OR MACK CORMIC. >> THE PRICE YOU HAD FROM YOUR
CONTRACTOR, THAT INCLUDED ALL PERMITTING? >> YES, SIR.
>> ANY, HE'S A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING WOOD SAWED BACK AND FORTH HERE, AND THAT QUOTE WAS GIVEN TO US SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, BUT AFTER BEING CONTACTED BY ONE OF THE APPROVED CONTRACTORS AND TELLING US, YOU KNOW, HE REALLY GAVE US AN EXCELLENT QUOTE BECAUSE OF THE -- OUR MAINTENANCE MANAGE HERE A RAPPORT WITH HIM THAT HE GAVE US AS GOOD A QUOTE AS HE COULD GIVE US AND NOW HE WAS GOING TO BE PUT UNDER A SUBCONTRACTOR. THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE, AND HE SAID IF IT WAS HE PROBABLY WOULD REFUSE TO DO THE JOB. SO IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO HIM AND GET A COMMITMENT FROM HIM TO DO THE JOB, THAT'S STILL A QUESTION MASH AT THIS POINT IN
TIME BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE DELAY IN THE BACK AND FORTH. >> YES, SIR.
THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.
>> YES, SIR, PLEASE. >> MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE TRANSFER OF $17,500 FROM THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES AND ALLOCATE THE FUNDS TO THE VILLAGES OF ALANO GAZEBO PROJECT AND TO DIRECT COUNTY STAFF TO PREPARE A COST SHARE AGREEMENT TO THE VILLAGE FOR CONSIDERATION
ON A FUTURE BOARD AGENDA. >> IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY.
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COMMISSIONER, I WILL SECOND THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY MYSELF. PLEASE VOTE.>> AND BEFORE I PUSH THIS BUTTON, I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT I'M GOING TO PUSH THE BUTTON FOR, IS THAT THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY, THERE ARE TWO ENTITIES THAT WE'VE HAD SOME LEVEL OF TRUST IN, BOTH THE U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, SO THERE'S NO SAFETY HAZARD, THE PROJECT MANAGER, THE PROJECT WHOEVER IT IS -- MANAGER OR SOMEBODY FROM STAFF THERE HAS SAID THERE'S NO SAFETY HAZARD. I'VE TAKEN THAT WITNESS AND I'VE -- COMMISSIONER DEAN HAS MADE AN
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ASSESSMENT. YOU KNOW, I CAN'T HELP BUT TO THINK THERE'S TWO OTHER ASSESSMENTS HERE THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. PRIVATE PROPERTY "MATRIX RELOADED" IT VERY DIFFERENT FOR ME. I WILL VOTE AGAINST THISPARTICULAR MOTIONS. >> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
>> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE VOTE. >> AND THE VOTE FAILS 2-3.
THANK YOU. >>> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TOED A NUMBER 13.
STILL HAVE A NUMBER OF AGENDA ITEMSES TO GET THROUGH TODAY FOR 501 BUDGET MEETENINGS.
WE'RE GOING TO START MOVING HERE. YES, THANK YOU.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. WE KNOW TO DISCUSS THE OLD ACCESS ROAD IN FRONT OF SUMMERHAVEN AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE CURRENT PROJECT AND NEXT STEPS TO IMPROVING OR STABILIZE THE SURFACE. TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS PROJECT, THE BOARD' PROVED THE HURRICANE MATTHEW BERMBACK IN DECEMBER OF 2020.
WE EXECUTED A CONTRACT AND ISSUED NOTICE TO PROCEED BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 20 TWN.
WE ALSO ISSUED A CHANGE ORDER TO INCORPORATE HURRICANE IRMA BERM WHICH EXTENDED THE PROMISING A LITTLE FURTHER TO THE NORTH, THOSE PROJECTS ARE EXPECTED TO EXPIRE SEPTEMBER 30TH AND WE'RE IN THE FINAL CLOSE-OUTS OF THIS PROJECT. JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A QUICK PICTURE OF THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS DRONE FOOTAGE PROVIDED BY OUR COASTAL TEAM OF THE BERM. YOU CAN SEE THE PLANNINGS ALONG THE BERM THAT WILL HELP STABILIZE THE SYSTEM IN THE FUTURE AS WELL AS OUR SAND FENCE ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE BERM, AND THEN THE DROVING SURFACE OR AREA TO THE WEST OF THE BERM. SO THE NEXT STEP IS TO IMPROVE ACCESS FOR THE SUMMERHAVEN AREA.
THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THE DAY TO COME BACK ONCE WE GET TO THE APPROPRIATE TIME RANGE IN THE PROJECT. WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE RIGHT THERE NOW.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A STABILIZED DRIVING SURFACE, THIS WOULD BE EQUALLY LENT THROUGH A1A. REQUIRED PERMITTING. THAT'S IS WITHIN OF OUR KEY MILESTONES THAT WE KNOW TO GET THROUGH OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS.
WE'LL LOOK AT MULTIPLE WEATION TO IMPROVE THE ACCESS. IT COULD BE THROUGH A POLYMER, DO WE DID OR MED OR SOME SHOW ROCK MINISTER. THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT COULD BE PERMANENT THROUGH VEP. THE STOA.D SCHEDULE DESIGNED OF PERMITTING IS FOUR TO SIX MONTHS WITH PHENOL CONSTRUCTION AND MAN NANCE COSTS ASSOCIATED THROUGH THAT PROCESS. ALONG WITH THE SCENE OF THOSE THREE DIFFERENT PROCESSES I'VE LAID OUT, WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT THE MAY NANCE COST WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE AS WELL AS THE LONGEVITY OF EACH SYSTEM. MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE BEST PRODUCT OUT FOR THIS AREA.
CBS WILL TAKE ABOUT THREE MONTHS, AND OZ OF SOME SEA DISPURTLE SHORE BIRD NESTING SEASONS OF COURSE, OF COURSE. THIS IS ANOTHER PITCHER, A LITTLE CLOSER UP FROM WHERE THE ACCESS ROAD IS STILL IN PLACE. YOU CAN STILL SEE THE BERM IN THE SEA BIRD SIDE AND HAVE A GOOD 20-PLUS FEET FOR -- FOR THIS ACCESS. THE MSTU, WHICH WAS CREATED BACK IN 2006 UNDER ORDNANCE 2006-15 ALLOWS FOR THEM TO USE TO PROVIDE EMOTION AND WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED IN THE MSTU, AND TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY ON THE MSTU, CURRENTLY THERE'S $422, 000 IN THAT BUDGET.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S $80,000 PROGRAMMED AS WELL AS THE MSTU NOW HAS APPROXIMATELY $400,000 IN PRESERVES AND COLLECT ON AVERAGE ABOUT $80,000 PER YEAR. JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT.
IN THE SUMMERHAVEN AREA. A PIECE OF THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN CONCERT WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM ON THIS TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE DID OUT THERE WE WOULD NOT IN HINDER RANS WITH
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THE SETTLEMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED AND WE HAVE UP HERE CONSTRUCTION OF AN IMPROVED ACCESS SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REVIEWING THAT AS PART OF THIS ONGOING PROJECT.AND WITH THAT, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AS PART OF THIS ITEM IS TO MOVE AN ADDITIONAL $300,000 OUT OF THE MSTU RESERVE INTO THE PROJECT THAT WOULD GIVE US A TOTAL OF $380,000 IN FISCAL YEAR '22 TO PROCEED WITH THE DESIGN PERMITTING AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT.
>> LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> MY NAME IS ZACHARY SPOWER AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MY PARENTS. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'M VERY NEW TO THIS PLATFORM. IT'S A LITTLE INTIMIDATING BUT I'M GLAD TO BE UP HERE. I APPRECIATE SEEING THIS AND HAVING YOU GUYS HEAR THAT.
OBVIOUSLY LIVING ON THAT ROAD, IT'S VERY INTERESTING, BEING ABLE TO GO BACK AND FORTH.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY IT. I HOPE YOU HAVE A LIFTED 4 WHEEL DRIVE LIKE I DO OTHERWISE YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF IN A BAD SITUATION.
THAT BEING SAID, I HEARD A FEW QUOTES FROM YOU GUYS THAT REALLY ENCOURAGED ME WITH REGARDS TO THIS. YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING AROUND A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AROUND THE EMS, BEING ABLE TO ACCESS AND SAVE SOMEONE FROM THE FAMILY, AND ALSO NUMEROUS OTHER REFERENCES WITH OF COURSE IMPROVING INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE. SOUNDS LIKE FOR THE MOST PART, WE'RE ALL KIND OF ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT CERTAIN ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND THAT'S ENCOURAGING TO ME.
I'M COMING IN ON THIS VERY NEW, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW MUCH IS BEING DONE AND HOW MUCH IS NOT, AND THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHY I'M HERE, NOT JUST FOR MYSELF, BUT ALSO FOR MY PARENTS,
JUST RECOGNIZING THE ENVIRONMENTAL SEAT OF HAZARDS. >> REALLY IT'S JUST TO SEE A WHOLE BUNCH OF GRANG ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD PEOPLE DROPPING OFF THEIR BEDS THERE, BECAUSE WE'RE THINKING THE NEXT WEEK IS GONE SO IT MUST BE A NEW OPEN LANDFILL, UNFORTUNATELY, THE BEACH IS RIGHT THERE, SO NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE DOING ALL OF THESE EFFORTS TO SAVE THE TURTLES BUT THEN WE DON'T CARE THAT THERE'S ALSO THIS TRASH BLOWING RIGHT IN THE OCEAN NEARBY. SO I THINK THE SOONER WE CAN GET SOMETHING IN PLACE TO ALLOW THE RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THEIR TRASH CANS AND GREATER MANNER AND PREVENT THAT DUMPING WILL BE OBVIOUSLY HUGE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT, I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME, IT GOES SO QUICK, I DID WANT TO REFERENCE OBVIOUSLY SB-1954, I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE AWARE IT ALLOCATES $100 MILLION THERE'S ALSO -- WHAT I'M TOLD WAS ABLE TO RESEARCH $4 BILLION FOR THE STATE FOR SEAWALLS, RISING SEA LEVELS ET CETERA THAT COULD BE ALLOCATED FOR THIS. SO I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS MSTU FUNDS AVAILABLE BUT WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE THE BOO READY TO LOOK AT COMMISSIONERS TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER FUNDING MIGHT BE AVAILABLE AS WELL AS RESEARCHING IT APPROPRIATELY FOR WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE BEST LONG TERM APPROACH. LAST HAD THING ANYBODY WANTS IS FOR A STORM TO COME THROUGH AND WIPE US ALL OUT AND START BACK OVER AGAIN.
IT SEEMS TO BE A NEVER ENDING PROJECT. GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND EVERYONE AND IN MUNICIPALITIES, I'M WORRIED ABOUT OUR ELECTRIC AND TRA, AND WORRIED ABOUT A.M.
IN OF THINGS THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
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>> THE POLICE ARE STOPPING THIS ON OUR ROADWAY OR BEEP ACCESS THAT WE HAVE.
THE POLICE ARE STOPPING US AND TICKETING US BECAUSE THEY SAID WE'RE NOT -- THEY HAD BEEN DIRECTED BY THE COUNTY TO TICKET AND FORBID US FOR DRIVING ON -- THEY SAY THE BEACH OR THE ROADWAY WHEN THEY ARE STOPPING US. SO -- AND WHEN WE ASK THEM WHY THEY ARE BEING TOLD THAT, THEY SAID WE HAVE TO COME TO THE COUNTY TO FIND OUT.
SO THAT'S ONE THING. THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S A PRIVATE RESIDENT THAT IS WORKING IN THE LARGE EQUIPMENT AREA OF THE COUNTY, AND HE IS DRIVING EITHER YOUR TRUCKS OR HE'S DRIVING TURNVILLE'S TRUCKS, WHO BERM UP, AND HE'S USING BEACH SAND THAT HE SAYS THE COUNTY HAS GIVEN HIM UNTIL IT RUNS -- THIS IS QUOTE FROM HIM -- UNTIL IT RUNS OUT, THE COUNTY GAVE HIM THIS SAND AND HE'S DUMPING IT IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE AND FLATTENING IT OUT AND MAKING IT A HARDER SURFACE. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
AND A QUESTION I HAVE, AND I THINK THIS IS A YES OR NO ANSWER THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY GIVE ME NOW IS THE SUMMERHAVEN RIVER DREDGE IS NOW TO A RESIDENT'S DOCK AND THAT -- I UNDERSTAND FROM PEOPLE, BUT NOT OFFICIALLY FROM YOU, IS THAT IT IS NOT GOING TO GO FURTHER.
I'D LIKE IT TO BE OPEN ALL THE WAY INSTEAD OF STOPPING WHERE IT IS NOW.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT? >> SHERRY BADGER, SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE. I HATED FOR THESE PEOPLE, MAYBE THE COUNTY CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING LIKE THE AIRPORT DID IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY CAN'T SUE THE AIRPORT IF AN AIRPLANE PART FALLS OFF OR A PLANE CRASHES INTO THEIR HOUSE, BECAUSE IN 2005 WHEN THEY HAD A BUILDING MORATORIUM PUT ON THE LANDOWNERS AT SUMMERHAVEN, THE LANDOWNERS AT THAT TIME TOOK THE COUNTY TO COURT AND SUED FOR THE RIGHT. AT THAT TIME COUNTY STAFF WAS TELLING THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERSES THEY COULD NOT ACCESS, THEY COULD NOT GUARANTEE ACCESS. SO IF Y'ALL DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, YOU NEED TO LOOK INTO IT.
I HATE IT THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO EMERGENCIES WHEN THEY NEED THEM, BUT IF THESE ARE THE SAME LANDOWNERS, THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AND IN THE FUTURE DO SOMETHING LIKE THE AIRPORT DOES, MAKE THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT THEY PUT AT THE OLD PONCE SIGN A WAIVER SAYING YOU CAN'T SUE US IF THAT AIRPLANE PART HITS YOUR HOUSE. THIS IS RIDICULOUS, THIS WAS THE SAME PROBLEM BACK IN THAT THE COUNTY WAS HAVING AND IT'S STILL GOING ON 15 YEARS LATER.
THANK YOU. GOD BLESS. THE IN THE I WASN'T GOING TO COME UP HERE BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE POINT. I'VE BEEN UP HERE MANY, MANY TIMES, I HAVE WRITTEN MANY, MANY EMAILS AND I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT THIS PERSON SHADE SHE DID BECAUSE IT'S BEEN GOING ON LONGER THAN 2005. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE AT LEAST 2000, AND I'VE RESEARCHED IT AND EXACTLY WHAT WAS IN THE DOCUMENTS IN 2003/2004/2005 --
>> I'M GOING TO PAUSE YOU RIGHT THERE. FOLKS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE AUDIENCE. Y'ALL CAN TAKE IT OUTSIDE AND HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS OUT THERE. WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS AGENDA ITEM.
IF YOU NEED TO TALK, PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE AND TALK. GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
>> AND IN 2006. >> I LISTENED TO THE ALLOCATIONS ABOUT GAZEBOS AND DANGERS OF
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GAZEBOS. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? WE'RE LIVING IN AN AREA WHERE WE PAY TAXES WHICH WAS MENTIONED AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY SERVICES, ZERO, AND NOW WE HAVE A BERM UP OVER MY HEAD THAT I CANNOT GET AROUND, AND THE COUNTY DIDN'T EVEN CARE ENOUGH ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BERM TO PUT WALKOVERS IN. SO OF COURSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA TEAR IT UP BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A WAY TO GET TO THE BEACH. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IF SOME CHILD OUT THERE DROWNS, HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO HELP THEM? CRAWL UP THE BERM AND TRY TO -- OR CRAWL BACK DOWN AND RUN AND GET 911 ON THE LINE AND TRY TO GET THEM OUT THERE? BEFORE THEY DROP DEAD? THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN WHO WAS PARALYZED AND THAT CAME INTO THE PUBLIC, I THINK THROUGH THE PRESS, AND THAT MOVED THE COMMISSION TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. ABOUT 10, 15 YEARS AGO.AND NOW WE'RE RIGHT BACK, RIGHT WHERE WE WERE, AND A GENTLEMAN LIKE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, HE DIED AND HE WAS ONE OF THE MAIN PROPONENTS OF ALL THINGS SUMMERHAVEN.
AVENUES DOCTOR. AND HE SPOKE UP AT ONE OF THE COMMISSION MEETINGS AND SAID I'M AFRAID THAT THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT ME ONE DAY BECAUSE I HAVE CARDIAC ISSUES AND THE EMS PEOPLE, THEY WON'T GET THERE IN TIME. YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. IT TOOK OVER 30 MINUTES FOR EMS TO GET THERE.
AND DIED WAITING. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW Y'ALL CAN LET THIS GO ON.
I DON'T. I DON'T. AND I HAVE ASKED QUESO OH QUESTIONS THAT ARE PERTINENT AND IMPORTANT AND Y'ALL DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO ANSWER ME.
I SEND POLITE EMAILS. ONE GENTLEMAN UP HERE, ONE IS POLITE ENOUGH TO ANSWER ME, AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT, SIR. BUT NOBODY ELSE DOES.
SO THAT SENDS A MESSAGE THAT YOU DON'T CARE. AND I HAVE MUCH MORE TO SAY BUT
I CAN SEE MY TIME'S RUN OUT. SO I'M DONE. >> WELL, WE'RE GONNA CORRECT THE RECORD ON THAT. WE MET PERSONALLY MULTIPLE TIMES AND TALKED WITH STAFF ABOUT YOUR ISSUE. SO THAT'S INCORRECT THAT THIS BOARD DOESN'T CARE.
WE'VE ALL MET AND DISCUSSED THAT. WE'RE CONSIDERING AN ITEM TODAY
TO HELP ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE. >> I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING. AND WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDER SOMETHING NOT A DROP IN THE
BUCKET COMPARED TO WHAT WE KNOW AND I ASK -- >> MA'AM, GO BACK TO YOUR SEAT.
>> NO, WAIT A MINUTE. I ASKED TO BE A PRESENTER AND I WAS TURNED DOWN, AND I WATCH ALL
OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE -- >> MA'AM, YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER, PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEAT.
>> I'M DONE. BUT YOU WILL HEAR FROM ME AGAIN. >> PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEAT.
GO AHEAD, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER, JUST TO RECAP THE REQUEST TODAY IS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGNS PERMIT AND BUILD A STABILIZING DRIVING SURFACE.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? IS THERE A MOTION? FROM THE SUMMER OF ASTU RESERVES 1297-55920 IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 BUDGET TO FUND A
DISINTEGRATE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF IMPROVED ACCESS. >> PLEASE VOTE.
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>> ALSO, CAN Y'ALL CHECK ON SOMEBODY DOING WORK DOWN THERE? I'VE ALWAYS CHRONICLED TEXTS,
WHETHER PARTICULARS HAVE BEEN ISSUED, I KNOW -- >> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO
AGENDA ITEM NO. 14. >> THERE WAS A CONVERSATION DONE IN THAT MEETING ON FEBRUARY 16TH 2021 REGARDING WHAT TO DO WITH THE REMAINING 9 HOLES BUT NEVER A DIRECTION GIVEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME. ONE OF THE MOST RECENT MEETINGS, AUGUST 17TH, COMMISSIONER
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WALDRON GAINED CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE STAFF TO PRESENT THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION FOR OPTION AT THE GOLF COURSE. IT'S BASED UPON THREE GOLFCOURSE OPTIONS THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THEM BY STAFF. >> OPERATION 2 WAS RECREATION COURSE WITH WALKING TRAILS AND AN ESTIMATED $1.1 MILLION CONSTRUCTION COST AND OPTION NUMBER 3 WAS DESTINATION OR COMPETITIVE PLAY AT THIS GOLF COURSE WITH AN ESTIMATED $500,000 CONSTRUCTION COST. FUTURE FUNDING CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE PROPOSAL, TDT HAS A FUNDING REQUEST FOR FISCAL YEAR '22 BUDGET OF $150,000 IN THEIR CATEGORY 3 FOR DESIGN OF THE GOLF COURSE. THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST AND DESIGN OF CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE PROPOSED IN THE FUTURE TO BE FUNDED OUT OF TDT AND GENERAL FUND AND ONGOING OPERATION
EXPENDITURES SUPPOSED TO BE OFF-SET BY FEES. >> WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION TODAY FOR A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO PURSUE THE DESIGN OF A DESTINATION GOLF COURSE TO THE REMAINING 9 HOLES OF THE ST. JOHNS GOLF COURSE. THANK YOU.
>> WE'LL TAKE ITEM 19 FOR THE COUNTY COURSE. NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, SIR.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M CASEY VAN RISE, ROYAL WAY, I'M THE CHAIR OF THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD. WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS REVIEWING ALL THREE OPTIONS IN FAIR DETAIL. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS. THE FREE HOA ON THE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY TO ENSURE THEIR COMFORT WITH WHAT'S MOVING FORWARD, WHAT'S POSITIVE AND WHAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED IS THAT WE'RE LEVERAGING A LOT OF FIXED EXPENSE TO MAKE THIS THING WORSE FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE WES TUCKER'S STAFF WOULD BE MANAGING THIS FROM THE FIXED INFRASTRUCTURE AND ORGANIZATION THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE REGARDLESS, AND THAT THIS WILL BE A BREAK EVEN. WE'RE OPERATING EXPENSES, MAINTENANCE, NOT CAPITOL EXPENDITURE BUT OPERATING EXPENSES WILL BE BROKEN WITH A FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE FEE STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF USAGE AND WHAT THE CHARGES WOULD BE TO USERS.
THE QUALITATIVE VALUE WITH THIS IS THE INCREASE IN TOURISM, TOURNAMENTS COMING IN, THE EXPOSURE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS SPORT IS GROWING, IT'S NOT -- IT'S NUTS.
I HAVE NO IDEA, THREE YEARS AGO IT WAS PICKLE BALL FOR ME AND NOW IT'S JUST GOLF.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF ITS THE DISS GOLF STHEERKS WILL BE HERE TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE PLAYING THE SPORT, THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF PEOPLE PLAYING THE SPORT, YOUNGER PEOPLE BRINGING SOMETHING TO THEM. WE AS A BOARD STRONGLY URGE YOU
TO APPROVE OUR RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> IF YOU COUNT ACTUAL PLAYERS, TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE, IN ST. GENERAL'S COUNTY, THERE'S ONE FUNCTIONING COURSE, OXEN CREEK, OUT BY THE FAIRGROUND. 26 HOLES AND NOW TWO BASKETS ON A NUMBER OF THE HOLES BECAUSE THE WORK OF THE CLUB. FOR A COUNTY THE SIZE OF ST. JOHNS, IT SHOULD BE MORE, AND I THINK THIS PROPOSAL WOULD ALLOW THE COUNTY TO TAKE A LARGE STEP INTO WHAT COULD BECOME A GOOD RECREATIONAL SPORT FOR THIS COIN.
PUT A FANCY DESTINATION COURSE ON THERE AND YOU'LL GET THE TOURISTS TO COME AND YOU'LL GET THOSE THAT COME ANYWAY. NOW THEY'VE GOT SOMETHING ELSE TO DO.
DISC GOLF IS BOOMING. IT'S GOOD FOR CHILDREN, OLDER FOLKS, ANYBODY CAN PLAY THE SPORT, AND I THINK THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS A GOOD ONE. WE WERE HERE IN FEBRUARY TALKING TO THE BOARD, AND THERE'S BEEN ONE BIG CHANGE SINCE THEN, WE NOW HAVE ONE WORLD CHAMPION IN
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OUR DISC GOLF CLUB. AARON -- ERIN FITZPATRICK WON THE WOMEN'S DIVISION DOWN IN ORLANDO. IN ANY EVENT, THE LARGE NATIONAL TOURNAMENT WAS HELD THERE AS SHE WAS THE WINNER. SO I THINK IT'S GOOD TIME AND A GOOD USE OF THAT ADDITIONAL 9 HOLES, AND I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT WAY FOR THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE GOOD RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITY TO ITS CITIZENS. THANK YOU.WE HAVE BOAT RAMPS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED AND PEOPLE THAT CAN GET BOATS IN THE WATER WITHOUT BEING STUCK IN THE MUD AND BLOCKED BY OTHER VOTERS. WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF BOATERS IN ST. AUGUSTINE AND THREE OR FOUR BOAT RAMPS.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT REPAIRING THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE 30-40 YEARS. WE HAVE BOAT RAMPS AND PARKS.
THINGS THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO BUILDING SOMETHING BRAND NEW. I AM ALL FOR IT.
I THINK KIDS SHOULD GET OUT SIDE AND PLAY, WE ALL SHOULD.
WE HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES.
TIMES ARE WE HAVE A LOT OF BOAT OWNERS IN ST. AUGUSTINE.
BOAT RAMPS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. THAT IS ALL.
>> FURTHERED PUBLIC COMMENT ON 14.
I THINK THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> CLOSED AND BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER SMITH.
>> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPTION ONE AND OPTION THREE?
>> YES. >> DISK GOLF RUNS GAMENT.
PUTTING DESTINATION LEVEL PUTTING A TYPE OF COURSE THAT CAN PURSUE TOURNAMENT PLAY. OPTION ONE IS MORE OF RECREATIONAL GOLF. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GO OUT AND PURSUE TOURNAMENT PLAY. THAT WOULD CREATE IMPACT FOR HEADS AND PEDZ TAXES, ETC. OPTION THREE, DESTINATION-TYPE COURSE. THINGS AS SIMPLE AS RAISED TEE BOXES. TEE BOXES WITH CONCRETE TEE
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BOXES. MUCH MORE PROFESSIONAL LEVEL ST.USED TO ATTRACT THESE TOURNAMENTS TO DO THAT.
MORE EXPENSES TO THOSE IN THE DESIGN.
AM I ANSWERING THE QUESTION? >> IT DOES.
RECREATION VERSES COMPETITIVE COURSE.
INTENT TO BRING IN TOURIST DOLLARS.
MY NEXT QUESTION: WHAT IS THE COST OF UPKEEP, ANNUAL KEEP.
ALREADY MENTIONED THIS AFTERNOON, THAT SHOULD BE COVERED WITH A MODEST FEE STRUCTURE.
COST OF UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE ALL WITH A COMPETITIVE GOLF COURSE. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? WHAT THAT NO. 1 AND WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WITH OPTION 1?
>> QUESTION IS: ANNUAL UPKEEP COST FOR RECREATION COURSE VS.
-- >> GIVE ME ONE OF EACH AND WE
OUR EXPENSE THAT WE HAD DRAWN OUT FOR THE TOTAL WAS
APPROXIMATELY $125,000. >> THAT WAS OPTION 3?
>> OPTION 3. APPROXIMATELY $45,000 FOR THE INDIVIDUAL TO UPKEEP IT. THAT IS THE MAJOR DRIVE.
STILL MAINTAIN THE BACK NINE GOLF COURSE AND NOT FOCUSSING ON
TOURNAMENT PLAY EXPENSES. >> WHAT WOULD BE THE OPTION ONE
I ASKED EARLIER WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL COST TO CONSTRUCT DISK
COURSE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS? >> WE INCLUDED 26 BASKETS.
$16,300 FOR THE RECENT UPGRADES WE PUT ON AT THE COURSE.
>> THEY ALSO PUT IN $16,300 AS WELL, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD
EARLIER? >> THOSE UPGRADES DONE BY THE
COUNTY. >> ALSO HAS SOME BENEFIT TO HAVING GOLF COURSE NEXT TO IT, THEY CAN UTILIZE THE STAFF TO TEND TO IT. ONE THING I AM LOOKING AT.
WE HAVE A GOLF COURSE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS.
IS IT GOING TO DRAW AWAY FROM ONE TO THE OTHER AND CREATE LACK
OF USERS. >> HOPE IS THEY WOULD HAVE TO REACH OUT TO EACH OTHER. VERY GOOD BEGINNING LEVEL.
DESTINATION COURSE OR FEE BASED COURSE, ALLOW TO COME OUT AND IT IS LIKE PLAYING SAW GRASS VERSES MUNICIPAL COURSE FOR BALL GOLF.
TO BE ABLE TO ELEVATE THE GAME. BOTH CAN SURVIVE SIMILAR TO HOW BALL GOLF HAS LIKE I SAID SETTINGS AND PROFESSIONAL GOLF.
>> I JUST TELL YA THIS, I HAVE A SICKER SHOCK WHEN I SAW THIS PRICE TAG. THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER WALDRON? ARE YOU READY TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO PURSUE DESIGN OF DESTINATION DISC GOLF COURSE. JUST TO REITERATE COMMISSIONER
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SMITH, WE VETTED THIS AT TDC MEETING.TDC PAYING FOR IT. THEY DO EXPECT PAY TO KIND OF OVERRIDE THE COSTS OF MAINTENANCE EVENTUALLY.
I HAD A -- IT IS DEFINITELY A GROWING SPORT FROM WHAT I CAN
[15. St. Johns County Park Foundation.]
>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST BEAT YOU TO IT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE PLEASE VOTE.
PASSES FOUR TO ONE. AND BACK TO MR. KANE.
ITEM NO. 15. PARK FOUNDATIONS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY IN PROVIDING COMMUNITY RECREATION LOCALLY, WE HAVE HAD SOME.
SEMINOLE COUNTY. MADE MADE POLK COUNTY.
ETC. AT THIS TIME WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING -- TO PRESENT, THANK
ST. JOHN'S PARK FOUNDATION. I AM SHORTY ROBINS.
OUR GROUP PULLED TOGETHER OF OUR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY PARK FOUNDATION. UTILIZE CHARITABLE PURPOSES TO ACQUIRE, MAINTAIN, DEVELOP, PRESERVE, RESTORE, AND SUSTAIN PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES WITHIN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. WE ARE LIMITING OUR FOUNDATION PURPOSES TO THE COUNTY BUT NOT LIMITING IT TO COUNTY BORDERS.
THAT WAS SENT TO THE STATE. LITTLE BIT EXPANDED FROM THE
BYLAWS. >> I JUST LOOKED AT THEM THIS MORNING BEFORE I CAME INTO THIS MEETING.
IT WAS NOT THAT EXPANSIVE. I WAS LOOKING FOR A DEFINITION THAT WOULD ADHERE TO YOUR BYLAWS.
GIVEN TO THE STATE FOR WHAT REASON?
>> ARTICLES OF CORPORATION I THINK WE EXPANDED SINCE WHAT YOU SAW AND ALL OF THE PAPER WORK FILED FOR THE DIFFERENT CHARITABLE PURPOSES. DEPARTMENT OF STATE, IRS AND
SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE. >> I GUESS I AM CONFUSED.
I AM A PERSON THAT ADHERES TO THINGS TIGHTLY.
>> IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND.
>> I THINK INCORPORATED BYLAWS ARE CORE STATEMENT.
THIS IS MORE FOR YOU ALL. >> I AM GOING TO JUMP IN.
TO CLARIFY, LEGALLY WHEN YOU ARE FILING PAPER WORK FOR THE STATE.
THEY ASK FOR SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT DIFFERER FROM THE BYLAWS.
I ONLY KNOW THIS BECAUSE I AM AN ATTORNEY.
>> MAKE SURE I WAS NO. 1, I WASN'T MAKING THINGS UP IN MY HEAD. IT HAS BEEN A LONG DAY.
NO. 2SHGS WHAT YOU ARE USING FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT.
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I LOOK AT AND WAS DEFINITELY THINKING WHO YOU WERE.THANK YOU FOR THAT. I NEEDED A LITTLE HELP.
>> NOBODY. >> WE ARE GOING TO SEEK INVOLVEMENT FROM INTERESTED PERSONS WHO WANT TO SUPPORT THE PUBLIC PARKS ASSETS WITH THEIR TIME AND TREASURE.
SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO IS WE ARE ABLE TO TAKE AND HOLD GIFTS, GRANTS, REQUESTS, PURCHASES, WE CAN HOLD LEASE EASEMENTS.
ANY OF THESE THINGS YOU SEE ON THE LIST FOR UM RESIDENTS AND VISITORS FOR THE BENEFIT OF RESIDENTS AND VISITORS OF ST.
JOHNS COUNTY. WE ARE ABLE TO RECEIVE MAJOR GIFTS, ENDOWMENTS. KWER ABLE TO INCORPORATE PLANNED GIVING INTO PEOPLE'S LIVES FOR BENEFIT OF THE PARKS.
WE ARE ABLE TO IMPROVE. MANY FACILITIES NATURAL LANDS AND RECREATIONAL AND SPORTS FACILITIES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
WE DO COMMIT AS FOUNDATION TO PARTNER WITH ANY NON-PROFIT -- WE CAN BE EFFECTIVE PARK ADVOCATES.
THEY DO NOT REPLACE ANY ALLOCATED TAX DOLLARS.
THIS IS EVER AND ABOVE WHAT IS CURRENTLY PROGRAMMED IN THE BUDGET. WE HOPE TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND BUSINESSES TO ESTABLISH A PLACE FOR THEIR GIFTS AND LEGACY DONATION-TYPE SITUATIONS. WE BEGAN EARLY 2020 AS AN ORGANIZATION. GOT THE GROUP TOGETHER INVITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE. WE ALL CAME TOGETHER HERE IN DECEMBER 2019 FOR AN ORGANIZATION WORKSHOP.
FROM THERE HELD MEETINGS ABOUT A YEAR LATER BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC. IN DECEMBER AND FEBRUARY.
BY MARCH 2021. BYLAWS YOU ARE REFERRING TO AGREED ON AND MEMBERS AND OFFICERS CAME IN PLACE.
FORMALLY INCORPORATED AND RECEIVED 501C3 STATUS IN AUGUST AND FILED THE PAPER WORK 2021. WE ARE MODELS AFTER OTHER SUCCESSFUL PARK FOUNDATIONS. SAR SAR COUNTY.
POLK COUNTY AND ALSO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
BERT WATSON PASSED AWAY. SO I AM NOW THE CHAIR.
STEFAN IS OUR ACTIVE MEMBER WITH YOUTH SPORTS PARTICULARLY.
RHONDA LOVEET IS NOT HERE TODAY. ALSO NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY.
EACH BOARD MEMBER SERVES A TWO-YEAR TERM.
CURRENTLY RETIRED AND DO ENJOY IT.
FOCUS FROM LAND AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WHICH WILL TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF OF THE COUNTY LITTLE BIT. AT-RISK YOUTH.
ALL YOUTH ARE AT-RISK FOR ONE THING OR ANOTHER THAT WOULD BE
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TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE ALL OVER THE COUNTY.ALSO WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON SUPPORT AND ENHANCED PROGRAMMING. NOT DIFFERENT RECREATIONAL PROGRAMMING ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND ADDRESS EACH ISSUE AS IT COMES UP. COVERS PATH OF RECREATIONAL SIDE OF IT. I KNOW YOU HEARD ABOUT BEACH ACCESS, EXCUSE ME, PORT DOCKS. BEACH ACCESS AS WELL MENTIONED LONG AGO. WEST AUGUSTINE IMPROVEMENT ORGANIZATION. THOSE ARE IMPORTANT.
THOSE ARE THE AREAS OF FOCUS FOR FOUNDATION.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THEM.
WE HAVE RESOURCES THAT CAN BE DIRECTED TO THEM.
BASED ON SOME OF THE FOUNDATIONS, PARKS IN ST. JOHNS SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO LAND, FACILITIES AND PROGRAMS IN ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY. THE PARKS FOUNDATION IN WEST VIRGINIA AND LEGACY PARK FOUNDATION IN KNOXVILLE, TENNESSEE. EACH GENERATE MILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY LOCAL PARKS AND RECREATION PARK DEPARTMENT.
THERE IS SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO.
>> I AM BRAD LONG. WE ARE HERE TO WANT TO GET THE PROGRAM STARTED. WE ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS.
THIS IS NOT OUR DAY JOB. WE NEED TO GET A DIRECTOR HIRE SOMEONE THAT CAN BE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUNDS AND MAKE THIS GROW AND PROSPER. FIRST YEAR, $120,000 FOR OPERATING SUPPORT. AND AS I ELUDED TO A MOMENT AGO.
FULL TIME EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AS PART OF OUR PLAN.
ALSO NEED ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT.
DEVELOPMENT OF A WEBSITE. MALE PIECES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW AND THOSE LOOKING TO CONTRIBUTE.
IN THE NORTHEAST PART OF THE COUNTY.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH A LOCAL HEALTH PROVIDER WHICH AGREED TO DONATE ONE MILLION DOLLARS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO SPECIFIC FACILITIES. WE CAN MOO USE THAT AS A MODEL UNDER THE DIRECTION OF COMMISSIONERS HOW WE CAN WORK IN A PARTNERSHIP TOGETHER IN ORDER TO IMPROVE COUNTY-OWNED FACILITIES AND MAKE THAT WORK FOR OUR CITIZENS.
>> ANOTHER ACCOMPLISHMENT AND SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH. WE HAVE NEGOTIATED WITH THE BAILEY FAMILY AND AS YOU RECALL, MISS BAILEY WAS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER ONE POINT OF TIME. SHE IS 95 YEARS OLD AND SENDS YOU HER BEST WISHES THIS AFTERNOON.
SORRY. WE HAVE NEGOTIATED 50% LAND USE VALUE WITH THE FAMILY. OUT OF THE 50% VALUE THEY RECEIVE FOR THE RANCH PROPERTY THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO PUTTING FORWARD THREE MILLION DOLLAR ENDOWMENT SO THE RANCH CAN BE OPERATED AND MAINTAINED IN PERPETUITY.
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IT WON'T COST THE COUNTY ANYTHING OUT OF THE GATE TO HAVE THIS GO FORWARD. I WANTED TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF FEATURES ABOUT THE PROPERTY YOU MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH.THIS IS THE NORTHWEST SECTION OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
UP ON THE NORTHWEST PIECE OF THE PICTURE.
OUTLINE IN YELLOW IS THE PROPERTY.
THE ROAD THAT YOU CAN SEE UP ALONGS THE TOP BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. ALSO THE LAND COMPLETELY AROUND THE BAILEY PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE PLANTATION CDD.
THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE PROJECT. FAMILY ALREADY HAS AN AGREEMENT.
ALSO ALONG BISHOP ESTATES ROAD, THERE IS A FOUR MILE UNPAVED TRAIL JUST IN THE WOODS. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. A LOT OF KIDS THAT RIDE HORSES AT THE RANCH DO KNOW ABOUT IT. IT IS A NEAT OPPORTUNITY FOR EXPANDED TRAIL STUFF WEF ACCESS TO FLOOR RANCH CREEK.
A LOT OF THE OF NEED THINGS GOING ON.
THERE IS A LOT OF PROGRAMMING ALREADY GOING ON AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR SO MUCH MORE. PROJECT WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT.
BAIL CLI FAMILY. FANTASTIC PARTNER IN THIS PROPOLE SAL. WORKING TOGETHER TO SHOW WHAT SOME OF OUR LANDOWNERS CAN DO IN PHILANTHROPY AND WORKING WITH THE FOUNDATION. BEAUTIFUL HUGE LIVE OAKS.
THAT IS THE NEED MORE LAND RANCH.
ANYBODY THAT REMEMBERS JOHN BAILEY.
THIS IS JOHN BAILEY. IT IS A REMARKABLE LEGACY
PROJECT FOR THE FAMILY. >> PURPOSE FOR US BEING HERE TODAY IS TO GET THIS STARTED. WE WOULD LIKE TO KICK OFF THE FIRST YEAR OF OPTION. PRIMARY PURPOSE TO SUPPORT, CONTRIBUTE, COOPERATE WITH THE COUNTY FOR BENEFIT PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> OKAY.
OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 15.
ITEM 15. SEEING NONE BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> OKAY. >> COMMENT? I WANT TO SAY THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THIS.
THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE. ANY COMMENT FROM THE BOARD?
COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> I HAVE A QUESTION 115,000.
I RED EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND FOR FUNDRAISING EVENT.
I NOTICED IN YOUR PRESENTATION ALSO FOR ASSISTANT AS WELL.
WHAT OTHER LINE ITEMS? >> ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE BACK IN THE OFFICE WHILE THE DIRECTOR IS OUT MAKING CONNECTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY AND VITAL IN BUILDING
OF THE WEBSITE. >> WHAT DO WE GOT HERE? TELL ME HOW WE ARE GOING TO SPEND $120,000
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>> LION SHARE OF THE COST IN THE PERSONNEL HIGHER COST IN THE BEGINNING ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WEBSITE AND START UP COSTS
WITH THAT IN ADVERTISING. >> OKAY.
THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> DO YOU SEE A TIME IT WOULD BE
SELF-SUFFICIENT? >> YOU GO INTO ANY VENTURE AND HOPE THREE TO FIVE YEARS IN THAT POSITION.
BEING A START UP, HARD TO PROJECT AT THIS POINT.
>> JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. THIS IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY.
I AM EXCITED ABOUT A PRIVATE GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS LIKE YOURSELF INVESTING IN THIS AND I THINK IT HAS LONG-TERM BENEFITS TO IT. I THINK THAT IS THE WAY TO GO.
THE WAY TO TAP THE RESOURCES WE HAVE AND
YOU ALL VERY MUCH. >> I REALLY FEEL FOR MR. WATSON.
HE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS. >> HE IS SMILING.
>> BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER. I WANT TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE WE
[16. Consider the proposed 2022 St. Johns County Legislative Action Plan and Top Three Legislative Priorities.]
DO OTHER ADDITIONAL AGENDA ITEMS, WE ARE GOING TO ROLL INTO OUR BUDGET MEETING. WE ARE GOING TO GET INTO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM AND THEN WE HAVE AN ADD-ON.IF WE HIT 5:01. WE'LL HAVE TO PUT UNTIL AFTER OUR BUDGET. IS THAT CORRECT MR. MCCORMICK.
>> YES, BOARD SHOULD GO TO 5:01. RECESS REGULAR IF YOU ARE NOT DONE WITH THAT. WE GET THIS INFORMATION FROM VARIOUS ENTITIES, BOARD, STAFF, CITIES, OTHER PARTNERS AND
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COORDINATE WITH THE COUNTY, STATE AND FEDERAL LOBBYIST.THEN THE CHAIR PRESENTS FINAL LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN TO THE LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION COMING UP SOON.
TOP THREE PRIORITIES. RIGHT HERE, YOU'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE 2022 PROPOSED LEGISLATIVE CATEGORIES.
YOU CAN SEE WHETHER THEIR POLICY OR FINANCIAL OR BOTH AS WELL AS.
THEY HAVE LISTED LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN CATEGORIES.
TOP THREE PRIORITIES NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WATER CONSERVATION AND WATER QUALITY. BEFORE YOU AS WELL, RED FOLDER ITEM. WE ARE RECOMMENDING YOU REMOVE ITEM 5A. IT WAS LEFT IN THE ACTION PLAN.
OUTDATED ITEM. PREVIOUSLY ASKED FOR -- IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND IT WASN'T WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT IS REMOVED. WE HAVE TWO MOTIONS.
ONE TO ADOPT 2022 LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN AS AMENDED.
AND TOP THREE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.
THANK YOU. OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> OKAY NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON OUR LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN AS AMENDED. NO. 16.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION: IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE AS THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO READ AND LOOK AT AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS ON BEFORE IT IS PRESENTED? I GUESS IN OCTOBER, RIGHT?
>> THAT WOULD BE NOW. >> THAT WOULD BE NOW.
>> OKAY, OKAY. YOU KNOW THE OKAY.
THE CHANGE TO IT. I DIDN'T GET TO SEE THE OTHER.
5A COMING OUT IS NOT BEING REPLACED WITH SOMETHING, IS IT?
>> WE ARE RECOMMENDING REMOVED, ITEM 5C ALREADY ADDRESSES SEPTIC TANK AND ITEM 5A SHOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
>> DOES IT STILL ASK FOR MONEY. >> IF I CAN ASK UTILITIES
DIRECTOR COLLIN GRAFT. >> WE ARE SHORT ON TIME.
IT IS $300,000. ACTUAL ITEMS ARE THERE IS MONEY
TO DO THAT. >> APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. >> PUBLIC COMMENT WE ARE GOING
TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> ONE QUESTION, 3I.
DIDN'T THAT TAKE CARE OF LEGISLATION INTERNET SALES TAX?
>> I'LL LOOK IT UP. >> WE CAN REVIEW IT AND GET BACK TO YOU. THAT IS OKAY.
>> ALL RIGHT. BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAD A FEW PEOPLE REACH OUT ABOUT NO. 1J.
THEY RAISED CONCERNS. I PROMISED THEM I WOULD RAISE CONCERNS TO THE BOARD AND STAFF. IT IS ABOUT A ROAD THAT CUTS THROUGH AGRICULTURAL PROPERTIES. I WANTED TO KNOW, I KNOW FLAGLER ESTATES, THIS IS THEIR REQUEST. IS IT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF
THE PUBLIC? >> I WAS LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL
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INFORMATION ON THAT. I WAS LOOKING AT WHAT SPECIFICPARCELS ARE IMPACTED. >> WHAT IS THE PUBLIC BENEFIT VS. COST OF LOSING AG LAND TO ROAD? DO WE REALLY NEED THIS IN ADDITION TO THAT? I DIDN'T WANT TO RAISE THE QUESTION.
>> WE CAN GET YOU A WHITE PAPER ON THE PROPOSED FUNDING THERE IS NO FUNDING FOR IT RIGHT NOW. WE CAN GET YOU ANY INFORMATION
FOR THE LONG-TERM TRAFFIC PLAN. >> COMMISSIONER?
>> DO WE EVEN KNOW THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FROM THAT? WE ARE CONFIDENT. IT IS A REQUEST BY THE ACRA.
>> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD?
I'LL MOVE TO ADOPT 2022 ST. JOHN'S COUNTY LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN AND THE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.
>> I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE SAME POINT, 5A WILL DROP OUT.
5B AND C WILL BE COVERED. IS THAT WHY 5A WAS GOING TO DROP
OUT? >> OKAY SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> SORRY, SARAH BUTLER.
TOP THREE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.
[Additional Item]
THE ONES YOU ALL ADOPTED LAST YEAR ALL ON THE BOARD.ARE YOU PROPOSING TO ADOPT SAME ONES FOR 2022?
>> YES, THAT IS OUR INTENT. >> OKAY.
THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.
ONE MORE AGENDA ITEM. HARD STOP AT 5:01.
LET'S MOVE INTO WHAT IS AMENDED. ITEM NO. 176789 COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST I THINK YOU ASKED FOR THIS?
>> YES, SIR. I REALIZE I PULLED ALL THE CONSENT AND I WILL BE BRIEF. CONCERNS CONTRACT WITH DOH AND OFFICE SPACE. I UNDERSTAND THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT, LEASING OFFICE SPACE AT NO COST.
I BELIEVE WE SHOULD AMEND EXTENSION FOR SIX MONTHS.
I HAVE BEEN CONVINCED BY SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION AND CLERK OF THE COURT GIVEN THE FACT DOH DOESN'T PAY ANYTHING.
HOW LONG CAN WE AFFORD TO DO THAT GIVEN THAT SPACE IS AT A PREMIUM? THAT QUESTION COULD BE ANSWERED IN THE COURSE OF THESE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
WE COULD DECIDE TO CONTINUE THE CONTRACT AT NO COSTS.
WE MIGHT ASSESS THAT. GOOD PUBLIC BENEFIT FOR DOH TO HAVE THE OFFICE. WE MIGHT DECIDE PERHAPS ANOTHER AGENCY LEASING OFFICE MIGHT BE A GOOD PUBLIC BENEFIT.
EXTENDING AN ENTIRE YEAR DOESN'T ADDRESS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SPACE FOR OTHER AGENCIES. I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
>> COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO DO SQUARE FOOTAGE OF WHAT THE FACILITY HAS AND WHAT DOH UTILIZES. DO WE HAVE THAT?
>> WE DO, COMMISSIONER SMITH. GIVE ME ONE MOMENT.
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PULLING IT UP. COMMISSIONER SMITH TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THROUGH THE CHAIR. TOTAL BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE, 72,000 SQUARE FEET. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH CONTRACTS TO USE 46,000 SQUARE FEET. STEWART WHO IS IN THE PROCESS OF LOCATING OTHER SPACE HAS 10,500 SQUARE FEET.HHS 12,000. DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN AND
FAMILIES, 4500. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THAT IS A LOT OF SPACE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF IT LEEZS THE BOARD. I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE CONTRACT CONSENT ITEM NO. 32. WHICH IS NOW ITEM 17 TO SIX MONTHS TO HAVE STAFF BRING BACK A NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THAT SPACE. WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.
>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER
WALDRON. >> I WAS GOING TO STAFF WHILE WE ARE ON DOH. WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND -- WE CAN REACH OUT TO TRAVIS, PAUL, CINDY.
YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME.
>> LET'S GO TO LEGAL. >> JUST FOR HOUSEKEEPING.
MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION, 20 2021-411. APPROVING TERMS, CONDITIONS, PROVISIONS BETWEEN BOARD AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
TO PROVIDE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND PRIMARY CARE SERVICES. OCTOBER 1ST, 2021 THROUGH AND UNTIL THIS WOULD BE THE CHANGE MARCH 31ST.
2022. AND AUTHORIZING CHAIR TO EXECUTE CONTRACT ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY.
>> SO MOVED. >> I AGREE TO THAT AGAIN.
SECOND. >> WE HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.
LET'S OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 17. DOH.
PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT.
NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED.
MOTION AGAIN AND SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. OKAY.
WE HAVE A VERY LIMITED TIME WINDOW TO GET THROUGH COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. WE ARE GOING TO GO OUTSIDE THE NORM. SPECIFIC COMMISSIONER COMMENTS?
[Public Comment]
BEFORE WE MOVE INTO OUR HARD STOP?>> I'LL FORFEIT MY COMMISSIONER. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN? COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER HAS A NOTE PAD. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A VERY BRIEF TIME. HARD STOP AT 5:00.
HEAR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. LIMIT TO ONE OR TWO SPEAKERS.
COME ON FORWARD FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> WE ARE CUTTING IT OFF AT -- >> I HAVE A STATEMENT I MUST READ LEGALLY. PATRICK, DO YOU RECOMMEND I HAVE TO READ THIS. THIS PROVIDES ALL THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT COMMENT. WHEN THEY GET CAUGHT CUTTING
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DOWN MANGROVES AND TOLD TO STOP, THEY JUST PAUSE.FINAL OUTCOME. WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET THE PROPERTY THIS COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY USED FOR PEOPLE TO LAUNCH THEIR BOAT NOW TURNED INTO PRIVATE LANDSCAPED IRRIGATION OF THEN THE COUNTY WENT AND PUT A SIGN UP TO PROTECT HIS SPRINKLER WHERE YOU USED TO COULD TURN YOUR BOAT AROUND.
ALL THESE GUYS BLOCK WHERE YOU SUPPOSED TO LAUNCH YOUR BOAT.
THAT IS ANOTHER PICTURE. THEN AFTER THEY SEE IT IS NOT HIS PROPERTY. IT IS COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY, HE GOES AND GETS TELEPHONE POLES. CUTS IN FOUR-FOOT SECTIONS, PUTS REBAR IN 'EM. STAKES IT IN THE GROUND AND CLAIMS IT IS HIS PROPERTY. THAT IS THE TURN AROUND FOR THE BOAT RAMP. THEY TOLD HIM TO REMOVE THEM.
HE WANTED TO FILE FOR A VARIANCE.
HERE IS ANOTHER PICTURE OF LANDSCAPING SUPPOSED TO BE THE TURN AROUND FOR THE BOAT. THERE ARE SPRINKLERS IN THERE.
PEOPLE LAUNCHING LEFT AND RIGHT. NOT PALMETTO ROAD.
LET'S JUST STACK A BUNCH OF STUFF THERE AND LET PEOPLE GET HURT. THEY DON'T CARE.
THEY COULD GIVE A -- SORRY. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON YEARS.
STILL GOING ON. I'LL BE BACK NEXT TIME.
>> GET SOMEONE FROM COUNTY STAFF TO GET WITH YOU ON THAT.
>> I HAD MR. MCCORMICK. >> MR. MIKE DAVIS, JUST A FOLLOW UP, WE ARE WITHIN THE 30-DAY WINDOW.
HOME AGAIN LEAVING CURRENT FACILITY.
COUNTY RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND US ANOTHER LOCATION.
AS OF TODAY, WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER LOCATION TO GO TO.
UNLESS THE SITE WORK IS DELAYED, WE ARE RUNNING INTO A CRITICAL TIME FRAME. WE DID THE RIGHT THING.
HOME AGAIN WORKED WITH THE COUNTY AND DID THE RIGHT THING.
LAST TIME AT THE MEETING EVERY ONE OF YOU STOOD UP.
WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME I HAVE ONE OTHER ISSUE.
WHEN PEOPLE SEND LETTERS TO STAFF, I AM NOT GOING TO MENTION THE STAFF. IT IS NOT ANYONE IN ADMINISTRATION ASK WHY THERE WERE CHANGES TO VICTORIA CROSSING AND NOT THE SAME PLAN, IN COUNTY STAFF RESPONDS IT IS THE SAME PLAN THAT IS WRONG. IT IS DEAD WRONG.
IT IS NOT THE SAME PLAN. NOT UNITED SERVICE CENTER.
NOT HOMELESS HOUSING. WE DOCUMENTED THAT LAST TIME.
ALL FOR THE COUNTY HELPING WORK FORCE HOUSING.
IT IS A GREAT THING. YOU HAD A MONEY AND RESOURCE TO DO THAT. UNLESS WE HAD GOTTEN OUT OF OUR LEASE WITH SALVATION ARMY. WHICH WAS A 99-YEAR LEASE DOLLAR A YEAR TO HELP THE COUNTY. THAT PROJECT WOULD NO BE GOING FORWARD AND WOULDN'T BE SPENDING THAT MONEY THAT CAME FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. DON'T FORGET ABOUT US.
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DON'T LEAVE US WITHOUT A PLACE TO OPERATE ON A VERY TIGHT BUDGET. THAT FALLS ON YOU AND STAFF TO DO THAT. I'LL BE BACK IN TWO WEEKS.I HOPE WE HAVE A LOCATION. BUT IT NEEDS TO BECOME A PRIORITY. WE ARE PASSED BECOMING EMERGENCY SITUATION. SOMEONE TOLD US TO MOVE TOMORROW. IT WOULD TAKE A WEEK TO TWO WEEKS TO MOVE. UNLESS SITE WORK HAS CHANGED.
DON'T FORGET ABOUT US. WE DID THE RIGHT THING BY THE
COUNTY. >> BEFORE WE GET TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, DO WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON THIS?
>> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH OUR CNSULTANT MANAGING RELOCATION PLAN FOR THE COUNTY ON BEHALF OF HUD WITH HOME AGAIN. WE ARE WORKING WITH A NUMBER OF SITES AND OFFERED FACILITATION. FEW LAND USE CHANGE WE HAVE TO SORT OUT. WE SHOULD HAVE UPDATES TO THE BOARD AND HOME AGAIN IN SORT FEW WEEKS.
>> HAVE YOU BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH MR. DAVIS AT HOME AGAIN?
>> YES. LET'S GET THIS WRAPPED UP BY NEXT TWO WEEKS. ALL RIGHT.
OBSTACLES GETTING THAT DONE? >> NO, SIR.
>> THANK YOU, YES, MA'AM. >> SHERRY -- ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. I AM JUST HERE AGAIN TO SHOW YA, THESE TRUCKS HAVE NOT STOPPED. THEY ARE COMING IN -- IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT YOU CAN SEE THE RED -- THEY ARE TRYING TO BE SNEAKY. OKAY.
EVIDENTLY, Y'ALL HAVE A LOT MORE PROBLEMS WITH YOUR STAFF THANK YOU ARE REALIZING. BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD ANOTHER GENTLEMAN NAMED JIM OR JAMES ROAD STANDARDS WEREN'T MET.
ROAD STANDARDS WEREN'T MET ON MY ROAD AND OTHER ISSUES WITH STAFF. IT IS YOU ARE THE STEWARDS.
Y'ALL TOOK THE OATH. Y'ALL NEED TO CLEAN IT UP AND STOP THE TRUCKS, GOD BLESS. HAVE A GREAT DAY.
WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
PLEASE COME UP FRONT PLEASE SO WE CAN MOVE TO OUR HARD STOP.
YES, MA'AM. >> BJ CLADY WEST CITY OF ST.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM GOING TO KEEP ON SAYING.
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND PUT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT BACK AT THE BEGINNING OF THESE MEETINGS.
YOU ARE RUSHING US THROUGH. WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH DEVE DEVELOPERS.
THIS IS SO WRONG. I HAVE OTHER THINGS TO SAY BUT YOU ARE IN
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.