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>> I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND FOR THE PLEDGE, PLEASE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY. MADAME VICE CHAIR, WROW READ THE
PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT, PLEASE >> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS O FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRES TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER. ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRM SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING AND IT'S A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY.
IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD THEN IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.
>> SO A COUPLE OF THOINGS AGENDA TODAY I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS CLEAR. IF YOU ARE MERE FOR MAJOR MOD 2020-07, TOLOMATO RIVER FARMS, THAT ITEM WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY AND IT WILL BE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR THIS BOARD FOR OCTOBER 21ST AND FOR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON NOVEMBER THE 16TH. SO THAT'S THE FIRST ITEM OF
[Christine Valliere - Formal reading of Section 112.3143, Florida Statues Form 8B; Greg E. Matovina declared that on September 2, 2021, a measure came before the Agency which inured to his special private gain or loss. DR Horton is a major customer of his business and was indicated as a significant related party to the owner. This pertains to September 2, 2021, MINMOD 2020-05 St. Johns Interchange. ]
ADMINISTRATIVE BUSINESS. THE SECOND ITEM OF ADMINISTRATIVE BUSINESS IS DUE TO A CONFLICT LATER IN THE DAY ON THE PART OF OF THE APPLICANT, WE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING ITEM 10 UP ON THE AGENDA AND TENTATIVE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BECOME NUMBER 5 AND NUMBERS 5 THROUGH 9 WILL SLIDE DOWN ONE SPOT. IM AND FINALLY, CHRISTINE, DO YOU HAVE SWG SOMETHING TO REED FOR?>> YOU AT THE SEPTEMBER PLANNING AND EXPEEDGES AGENCY MEETING MR. MATOVINA DECLARED A CONFLICT IN REGARD TIE MINOR MODIFICATION PUD SPECIFCALLY APPLICATION 2020-05, ST. JOHNS INTERCHANGE AND HE ABSTAINED FROM VOTING ON THE APPLICATION.
IN MATOVINA HAS FIERLD THE REQUIRED DISCLOSURE FORM 8B FLORIDA STATUTE SECTION 112.3143 REQUIRES A DISCLOSURE STATEMENT TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD TODAY AND ALSO INCLUDED IN THE MEETING MINUTES. THE DISCLOSURE STATEMENT IS, "I GREGORY E. MATOVINA HEREBY DISCLOSE THAT ON SEPTEMBER 2, 2021, A MEASURE CAME BEFORE MY AGENCY WHICH NURD TO MY SPECIAL PRIVATE GAIN OR LOSS. THE MEASURE BEFORE HIGH AGENCY AND THE NATURE OF MY VOTING CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE
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MEASURE IS AS FOLLOWS: D.R. HORTON IS A MAJOR CUSTOMER OF MY BUSINESS AND WAS INDICATED AS A SIGNIFICANT RELAYED PARTY TO THE OWNER." SIGNED SEPTEMBER IF, 2021.GREGORY E. MATOVINA. THE MEMORANDUM WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE MEETING MINUTES TODAY AND I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER.
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>> THANK YOU, CHRISTINE. WE ARE NOW ON TO THE SECTION OF OUR AGENDA FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT OF TIME AVAILABLE FOR EACH OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, BUT IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK NOW ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS OR ON ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS, YOU MAY DO SO NOW.
IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? SIGHING NONE, I KNOW DR. HILSENBECK HAS SOMETHING
THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SAY. >> I WOULD, THANK YOU, GREG.
MR. MATOVINA. I'M RICHARD HILSENBECK 213 GOLDEN OAKS LANE, ST. AUGUSTINE.
I ASK THIS QUESTION A COUPLE MONTHS AGO BUT YOU DIDN'T QUITE GET A SATISFACTORY ANSWER, AND IT'S STILL BEEN BOTHERING ME.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, GET AN ANSWER ON WHY THERE IS NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATION DISCLOSURE ON COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS. I DON'T KNOW WHY.
IT SEEMS THAT THOSE ARE FAR MORE CONSEQUENTIAL, SIGNIFICANT, IMPACTFUL AND FAR RFP REACHING THAN MANY OF THE ADVERTISEMENTS THAT COME BEFORE THIS BOARD -- ITEMS THAT COME BEFORE THIS BOARD SUCH AS, SAY, SOMEBODY'S AIR CONDITIONING UNIT ON THE SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE ENCROACHING A FOOT OVER INTO A 5-FOOT AREA OR A POOL DISCLOSURE, SCREEN DISCLOSURE OR MOBILE HOME IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA WHERE THERE'S ALREADY TEN MOBILE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AND REQUEST IF THIS SHU BE CHANGED. SHOULD WE ASK A CHANGE SUSPECT I WOULD LIKE TO. I THINK IT WOULD BE FAR MORE TRANSPARENT IF PEOPLE WERE INFORMED ON COMP PLAN OOSSMENTS. IT IS MORE CONSEQUENTIAL.
SO I WANTED TO KNOW IS THIS GOVERNED BY FLORIDA STATUTE, COUNTY GOVERNANCE RULE? WHAT FORCE OF LAW IS IN EFFECT
HERE? >> KRISTINE VALLIERE, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. ALL OF THE ABOVE, DR. HILSENBECK. COMP PLAN OOSSMENTS AMENDMS ARE DEEMED BY THE FLORIDA COURTS TO BE LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
THEY HAVE A MORE DEFERENTIAL STANDARD OF REVIEW THAN QUASI-JUDICIAL ACTIONS. QUASI-JUDICIAL PERTAIN TO A SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THERE ARE DUE PROCESS RIGHTS THAT INYOU ARE TO THE UE PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTING THE ACTION AND THE SPART DISCLOSURE IS THE PART OF SATISFYING THOSE DUE PROCESS LIGHTS, DISCLOSING WHAT INFORMATION EACH BOARD MEMBER HAS AND IS CONSIDERING IN MAKING A DECISION ON A PARTICULAR QUASI-JUDICIAL APPLICATION.
SO IT'S A MATTER OF OF LAW AND ALSO THE POIFLTS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN TERMS OF HOW LEGISLATIVE HEARINGS ARE CONDUCTED VERSUS OUR QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS ARE CONDITION DEDUCTED. IF THE PZA WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT THEY ALSO REQUIRE DISCLOSURE FOR COMP PLAN AMOUNTED, THEY CAN% CERTAINLY MAKE THAT RMENTS BUT IT IS NOT REQUIRED BY FLORIDA
>> THANK YOU. THAT'S HAD A MUCH MORE THOROUGH ANSWER THAN I GOT THE FIRST TIME.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THE LEGISLATURE TO CHANGE IT, AND
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THEN SEND IT TO THE COUNTY TO ADOPT IT AS WELL.>> THE COUNTY COULD DECIDE TO REQUIRE A HIGHER STANDARD IF IT
CHOSE TO DO SO. >> JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ON SUCH A CONSEQUENTIAL ITEM THAT IS WE DON'T HAVE SPART, BUT I'L SPART BUT I'LL ACCEPT WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, DR. MENTAL ILLNESS WE'RE MOVING ON ITEM NUMBER WONT AGENDA.
MS. AS VAUD OH, ARE ACEE YOU HERE?
>> THANK YOU. SHANNON ACEVEDO.
>> BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, MRS. ACEVEDO.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EX PARTE TO DECLARE ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU. SORRY.
SHANNON ACEVEDO, FOR THE RECORD, WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP 7 WALDO STREET, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.
BEFORE GET IT STARTED, I JUST HAD ONE ADMINISTRATIVE HOUSEKEEPING MATTER FOR THE DRAFT ORDER THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET. THERE WAS A MINOR CHANGE TO CONDITION 1, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH IS ENSURING THAT THE ENTITY UPSTATE COMPANIES, THAT'S TO OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, WOULD ALSO INCLUDE ANY OF THEIR CONTROLLING ENTITIES OF UPSTATE COMPANIES. SO I HAVE THE HARD COPY HERE AN
AND. >> MR. CHAIR, THAT DOCUMENT HAS ALSO BEEN PASSED OUT TO YOU SO IT IS AT YOUR DAIS.
>> YES. WE HAVE IT THE OUR TABLESIDE.
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SO THIS IS THE KELLER 204 BORROW PIT APPLICATION FOR SPECIAL USE. JUST A BRIEF INTRODUCTION OF OUR TEAM, OUR APPLICANT IS UPSTATE COMPANIES II AS I HAD JUST MENTIONED AND JANET BONNIE, A REPRESENTATIVE WITH THAT COMPANY IS HERE SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER. OF COURSE WEEK I'M WORKING ON THE PLANNING PIECE AND I ALSO HAVE ALEX ACHE RE HER HERE OF MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENGINEERING. AS WELL AS WELL WE HAVE JEFF JACKSON WHO DID THEY YE OH TECHNICAL AND DEWATERING REPORTS AS WELL. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A 120-ACRE SITE, AS YOU CAN SEE ABOVE, JUST A LITTLE NORTH OF COUNTY ROAD 204. IT'S ABOUT 2,000 LINEAR FEET NORTH OF COUNTY ROAD 204 AND IT DOES HAVE A PRIVATE EASEMENT THAT CONNECTS DREBL TO THAT COUNTY COLLECTOR.
IT'S ABOUT 2 MILES FROM THE INTERSECTION OF 204 AND US U.
US-1 JUST DO KIND OF GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE THERE AND ABOUT 2.5 MILES AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 204 AND I-95. SO JUST SNOOMG A LITTLE BIT HERE SO YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF THE DIMENSIONS HERE, YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 2600 LINEAR FEET ON THE NORTH END AND A LITTLE OVER 1300 OAT SOUTH. AND THEN NEARLY 2700 FEET GOING NORTH TO SOUTH, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT EASEMENT COMES IN.
IT'S ZONED OPEN RURAL. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS SURROUND BY OPEN RURAL LANDS AND THIS JUST GIVES YOU ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE. SO THE APPLICATION SUMMARY HERE, IT'S A 50-ACRE BORROW PIT IS THE REQUEST.
IT IS -- FITS WITHIN THE SPECIAL USE CRITERIA FOR OPEN RURAL ZONING IN TERMS OF ITS RURAL/SILVICULTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S AN ACTIVITY EVER ACTIVE ACCESS EASEMENT IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THE SITE THAT PROVIDERS FOR THAT CONNECTIVITY TO COUNTY ROAD 204 AND THE IDEA HERE IS THAT IT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED IN THREE PHASES. SO THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES AUN IDEA OF THE PHASING PLAN. WE WOULD BE WORKING BASICALLY FROM NORTH TO SOUTH THROUGH EACH THOSE THREE PHASES.
AND THEN THE WITH FINAL PRODUCT BEING A 50-ACRE BORROW PIT LAUK, WE'LL HAVE A SINGLE -- LAKE WE'LL HAVE A SINGLE GATED DRIVEWAY UP AT ENTRANCE. YOU CAN SEE TO THE NORTH.
JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE CURRENT SITE CHARACTERISTICS, THERE ARE ABOUT 32.2 ACRES OF WETLANDS.
THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WILL BE PRESERVED THERE ARE 3.4 ACRES WETLANDS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE IMPACTED, AND WITH THESE PRESERVED WETLANDS, A MINIMUM 25-FOOT WIDE UPLAND BUFFER IS INCLUDED AS WELL AS THE 50-FOOT WIDE WETLAND SETBACK. ALSO WITH THIS APPLICATION, JUST SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT'S PROPOSED, WE ARE LOOKING AT A 200 BY 200 SHED THAT WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE BORROW PIT USE FOR STORING EQUIPMENT AND SUCH.
IN TERMS OF IMPACTS AND OPERATIONS, THE PROPOSAL IS TO OPERATE FROM 7:00 A.M. TO 5:00 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
IF THERE ARE SCHOOL ROUTES ALONG COULD SEE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, BUT IF THAT WERE TO BE A PATH FOR A PARTICULAR PROJECT, THERE WOULD ALSO BE A LIMITATION ON OPERATIONS AT SCHOOL PEAK TIMES. WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO EMPLOYEES ON-SITE AND A TOTAL OF TEN DUMP TRUCKS OF STANDARD SIZE.
THE MAXIMUM LOAD WOULD BE 100 BUT OUR ESTIMATE IS THAT THE AVERAGE DAILY WOULD BE MUCH LESS THAN THAT, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, JUST TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEA, ABOUT FIVE YEARS AS FAR AS THE PHASING FOR EACH OF THOSE THREE PHASES I MENTIONED EARLIER.
SEE IN TERMS OF HAUL ROUTES IT'S QUITE SIMPLE.
EITHER DIRECTION COMING FROM COUNTY ROAD 204 AND LIKELY ALONG DEVELOPMENTS, US-1, WHETHER IT'S NORTH TOWARDS THE REST OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY OR SOUTH MAYBE THROUGH THE PALM COAST AREA.
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AS I HAD MENTIONED, COUNTY ROAD 204 IS A COLLECTOR, IT'S A TWO-LANE MAJOR COLLECTOR. THERE IS ADEQUATE CAPACITY.AND I HAD ALREADY MENTIONED ABOUT THE SCHOOLS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY LIMITATIONS IF YOU DO HAVE A SCHOOL ON THE ROUTE BETWEEN 7:00 A.M. TO 9:00 P.M. AND 2:00 P.M.
AND 4:00 P.M. WOULD BE RESTRICTIONS.
SO IN TERMS OF COMPATIBILITY, THE NEAREST RESIDENCE IS OVER 2100 LINEAR FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPOSED BORROW PIT.
THIS IS A VERY RURAL AREA. JANET PROPERTIES ARE GENERALLY WITHIN THE 1 -- ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE GENERALLY WITHIN 120 TO 400-ACRE RANGE IN SIZE, SO YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE USES THAT WOULD CAUSE FOR COMPATIBILITY CONCERN.
THERE WILL BE ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE REGULATIONS, AS FAR AS WETLANDS, AND IT'S NOT CLOSE TO ANY SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS OR PLACES OF WORSHIP. IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF SUMMARY.
IT'S NOT IN AN ESA, AS DEFINED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IT'S NOT NEAR ANY DUMP SITES OR LANDFILLS.
IT'S NOT NEAR ANY EAGLES WITHIN ONE MILE, AND THERE HAVE BEEN NO LIFT WILDLIFE SPECIES IDENTIFIED DURING THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT'S ON-SITE ASSESSMENT, NEITHER WERE THERE SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITY HABITATS IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE SITE.
AND THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU A GENERALLED WHY OF THE LAND USE COVERS THAT ARE THERE. -- GENERAL IDEA OF THE LAND USE COVERS THAT ARE THERE. SO WITH THAT WE REQUEST APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR KELLER 204 BORROW PIT.
IT MEETS THE PROVISIONS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN TERMS OF SPECIAL USES AS WELL AS ANY KIND OF SUPPLEMENTARY STANDARDS FOR BORROW PITNESS GENERAL. IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT USES. AND WITH THAT I WILL END MY PRESENTATION AND BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY
DO ANY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE AGENCY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
DR. HILSENBECK. >> SHANNON, I ACTUALLY REGRET A COUPLE OF VOTES I MADE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, AND ONE OF THEM WAS APPROVE A MINE THAT WAS ABOUT DUE SOUTH OF THIS ONE, BUT IT WAS IN A LOCATION BETWEEN A COUPLE CONSERVATION LANDS, BUT I RELUCTANTLY VOTED FOR IT AFTER THE APPLICANT -- IT WAS TURNED DOWN AT FIRST AND THEN THEY CAME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION AND I VOTED FOR IT AT THAT TIME, BUT THIS ONE AT LATEST YOU HAVE DLEASED THINGS LIKE THE HYDRATING RIM -- ADDRESSED THINGS LIKE THE HYDRATING RIM DITCHES AND THE SEJT RIGHT UP FRONT SO THAT WAS GOOD. I WAS WONDERING TWO THINGS.
WHAT IS THE FUTURE USE OF THIS PROPERTY AFTER PHASE 3 IS COMPLETE AND THE MINING IS OVER, WHAT DO Y'ALL PLAN TO DO WITH
THE PROPERTY? >> I DON'T KNOW OF ANY IMMEDIATE FUTURE PLANS OTHER THAN JUST TO STABILIZE THE BORROW PIT INTO A LAKE ORE A FINISHED POND. WE DO HAVE A RESTORATION PLAN IN PLACE FOR THAT BUT NO FUTURE USES THAT I'M AWARE OF TODAY.
>> GIVEN THAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE OWNERS PUTTING THE AREAS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE MINED INTO A CONSERVATION
EASEMENT? >> I'D HAVE TO CONFER WITH MY CLIENT ABOUT THAT BUT I CAN CERTAINLY BRING THAT UP TO
THEM. >> COULD YOU DO THAT BEFORE WE
VOTE? >> DO YOU HAVE -- WAS THERE A PARTICULAR USE THAT WAS CONCERNING TO YOU OR WHAT'S KIND OF TRIGGERING THIS DESIRE TO PUT INTO CONSERVATION OTHER AREAS?
>> WELL, THAT'S MY DESIRE ON A LOT OF THINGS, ACTUALLY, IN LIFE, BUT I JUST WONDERED. YOU COULD HAVE NICE WATERFRONT PROPERTY THERE AND THEN COME BACK WITH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN FIVE YEARS OR WHEN PHASE 3SOEVER, SO I WAS JUST WONDERING. MOST OF THEM ARE WETLANDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PRESERVED BUT PUTTING IT IN A PERPETUAL CONSERVATION EASEMENT WOULD ENSURE THAT THIS LAND WILL REMAIN AS IT IS, AND THEN THE ARE BORROW PIT COULD BECOME A NICE HABITAT FOR WILDLIFE AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING LAND.
THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT. THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. ACEVEDO? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? IS ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. MS. ACEVEDO, DO YOU WANT TO GO CONFER WITH YOUR CLIENT QUICKLY?
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MS. ACEVEDO, SORRY TO INTERRUPT SPHUP IF YOU'D LIKE A LITTLE MORE TIME WEEK WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU AND COME BACK INTO THE AGENCY LATER. I DON'T WANT TO RUSH YOU.>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, PERHAPS WE GO TO THE NEXT ITEM AND THEN I'LL BE READY FOR YOU BY TIME THAT ONE'S FINISHED.
>> YOU JUST SIGNAL US WHEN YOU'RE READY.
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>> YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO RUSH YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CHAIR, WOULD I COULD I SAY ONE THING THAT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT?
>> YES. >> CONS VASE EASEMENTS CAN BE STRUCTURED TO ALLOW CONTINUED AGRICULTURE USE SO THAT WOULD BE A NICE THING TO ALLOW THAT CONTINUATION OF THAT
THANK YOU. >> SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2 AT THIS POINT AND POSTPONE ITEM NUMBER 1, DECISION ON ITEM NUMBER 1. SO IS MS. STRAIT HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 2? BEFORE YOU START, LET ME ASK YOU, ANY EX PARTE. COMMUNICATION ON THIS ITEM? I'M SORRY, MA'AM. DID I THAT TWICE NOW.
>> QUITE ALL RIGHT. I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.
I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS SO PLEASE JUST BEAR WITH ME JUST A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS THE MOBILE HOME THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR TRYING TO KEEP. THIS MOBILE HOME WAS PUT IN
PLACE IN 2001 WHEN OUR -- >> MS. STRAIT, PULL THAT MICROPHONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER.
>> SORRY. >> US OLD PEOPLE CAN'T HEAR THAT
THIS MOBILE HOME WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 2001 AFTER OUR ORIGINAL HOME HAD BURNED, AND IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR CHILDREN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND CONTINUE TO WORK, WE PUT UP THE MOBILE HOME.
WE HAVE UPKEPT IT FOR 20 YEARS. TWO YEARS AGO WE PUT A ROOF ON IT, A BRAND NEW ROOF AT $15,000 TO IT.
IT WAS NEVER OUR INTENTION TO LIVE IN A MOBILE HOME FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES. WE SPOKE WITH A CONTRACTOR AND WE SPOKE WITH THE BANK AND WE SPOKE WITH THE CITY AND WITH SEVERAL MISCOMMUNICATIONS WE WERE TOLD BY THE BANK THAT WE COULD SPLIT THE PROPERTY AND IT WOULD BE SPLIT AT THE TIME OF CLOSINGS. SO WHEN WE CLOSED WITH THE BANK, ASSUMING THAT THE PROPERTY WAS SPLIT, WE COULD KEEP THE MOBILE HOME AND BUILD OUR HOME. THE BUILDER, WE DID NOT FIND OUT UNTIL THE BILLER WENT DOWN TO GET THE PERMIT TO STARTS BUILDING THAT THE PROPERTY WAS NOT SPLIT AND THE BANK WAS ONLY TALKING ABOUT IN BANK'S MIND THEY SPLIT THE PROPERTY.
THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY.
WE WENT THROUGH ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO TRY TO GET THE FAMILY -- BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO PUT MY BROTHER WHO IS A VETERAN AND HIS FAMILY IN THAT HOME. WE HAVE AGREED TO PAY FOR HIS -- TO MOVE HIM DOWN HERE, TRY TO HELP THEM GET JOBS AND PUT THEM IN THIS HOME. WE ARE PRESENTLY BUILDING A HOME IN TRINIDAD FOR MY HUSBAND AND I.
THIS DOES NOT GF QUALIFY FOR FAMILY HOMES BECAUSE THIS HOUSE IS ACTUALLY 100 SQUARE FEET LESS BIG THAN THE HOME THAT WE'RE BUILDING. YOU GUYS KNOW ALL THIS.
DO I NEED TO READ ALL OF THAT? SHOULD I READ ALL OF THAT?
>> YOU CAN QUIP SKIP OVER ITF YOU'D LIKE.
YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH TWO HOPES ON THIS PROPERTY.
>>-YEAR. >> WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE.
THE MOPING HOME IS NOT DISABILITY REMOVED.
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>> WE'RE HOPING SO. THERE'S THE AREA MAP, LOCATED ON ROBERTS ROAD. THERE IS A CHURCH RIGHT ACROSS THE RADIOED ROAD WITH A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PROPERTY.
I KNOW THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN GRANTED, AND I THINK THEY'VE BACKED OUT OF BUILDING OTHER THINGS THERE AND THEN THE HOME JUST ON THAT MAP SOUTH OF US IS -- THEY ALREADY HAVE TWO HOMES ON THEIR PROPERTY.
THEIRS SUNDAY FAMILY. OURS WOULD BE UNDER SPECIAL USE BECAUSE OF THE SIZE YOU KNOW ALL THIS TOO.
THERE IS ASSET-BACK. IT'S 25 FEET.
THE SIZE HAS TO BE 10 FEET. ON 2-1/2 ACRES.
THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THIS. AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE IT IS LOCATED AT, 2-1/2 ACRES. THERE'S THE EXISTING MOBILE HOME. THERE'S 35 FEET BETWEEN -- I GUESS I CAN USE THIS POINTER IF I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. SHOW UP.
THAT DIDN'T DO IT. ANYWAY, THERE'S 35 FEET IN BETWEEN THE MOBILE HOME. WE PUT IN A POOL ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO WITH THE INTENT OF BUILDING A HOME IN FRONT OF IT. THERE'S, LIKE I SAID, IT MEETS ALL OF THE STANDARDS THERE. IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE SEPTIC SYSTEM, A SHARED WELL. THERE'S A DIRT ROAD THAT ACTUALLY USED TO BE MILLINGS, BUT WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC AND THE TRUCKS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADD MORE DIRT SO IT'S NOW A DIRT ROAD AGAIN TO ACCESS EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ACCESSED.
THERE IS AT LEAST HALF AN ACRE OR MORE IN THE BACK THAT THERE'S NOTHING ON. I WISH I COULD HAVE GOTTEN THE FAMILY LIKE MY NEIGHBORS DID. THEY WANT TO BE IN THIS HEARING, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE MOBILE HOME THEY WON'T DO THAT.
THE CONCLUSION IS WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU ALLOW FOR TWO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THIS PROPERTY.
I THINK WE MEET EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED FOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IF YOU DO NOT ALLOW US TO KEEP THE MOBILE HOME ON THE PROPERTY, WE CANNOT AFFORD TO REMOVE THAT MOBILE HOME AND PUT ANOTHER ONE OUT THERE FOR MY BROTHER TO KEEP IT UNDER FAMILY USE. HE IS A VET, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE TO ANYBODY, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO. WE ALREADY HAVE MY AUNT LIVING WITH US AND WE'D LIKE TO HAVE MY BROTHER AS WELL, BUT -- AND I KNOW -- WE HAVE BEEN TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE VERY CLOSE TO US AND HAVE SPOKEN TO THEM AND MADE SURE THAT NOBODY HAD ANY ISSUES WITH IT. AND I UNDERSTAND THE WILDERS EVEN SNENT A MOAT SAYING THAT THEY -- SENT IN RAY NOTE THEY AGREED WITH IT. THERE WASN'T ISSUE WITH IT.
I THINK I'VE ABOUT COME TO ALL MY -- EVERYTHING I WROTE DOWN.
I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. IF YOU WOULD APPROVE THIS, WE WOULD BE GREATLY PETITIONER H. PRESHTIVE.
>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? HEARING NONE, THEN WE ARE -- SEE IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> WE DO NOT. >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT SO WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY. MS. PERKINS.
>> I'D LIKE TO OFFER OFFER A MOTION TO PROVE SPECIALER USE PERMIT SUPMIN 2021-03 STRAIT FAMILY SPECIAL USE.
REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT NO ALLOW FOR MORE THAN ONE MAIN USE STROWCH A RESIDENTIAL LOT MUTANT TO LANLDZ SECTION AT ANY TIME R.FULLY 28 SPECIFICALLY LOCATE AT 1355 ROBERTS ROAD AND
SUBJECT TO NINE CONDITIONS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS. IS THERE A SECOND.
>> SECOND. >> SECOND BY ELVIS.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE VOTE.
DR. MCCORMICK. YOU GET TO TRY AGAIN.
MAYBE. >> WHAT'S HAPPENING 1 MEAN?
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WE CAN'T TELL HOW EVERYBODY VOTED.EVERYBODY VOTED YES. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, YOU GUYS.
THAT TAKES A HUGE BURDEN OFF OF US.
>> I THINK WE ALREADY KNEW THE ANSWER BUT WE NEED THE OFFICIAL
>> GOD BLESS YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
OKAY. MISEAKD, ARE YOU READY TO COME BACK UP? MS. ACEVEDO, ARE YOU READY TO COME BACK UP? YOU LOOK LIKE IT.
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>> THANK YOU. I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO CONFER WITH MY CLIENT, DR. HILSENBECK, AND WHAT WE ARE WILLING TO FROM. FOR THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS TO PUT IF CONDITION TIG JUST WETLANDS THAT ARE ON THE SITE PLAN INTO A CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND ADDITIONALLY THE REMAINING UPLANDS, WHILE WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AFTER THE BORROW PIT AT THIS TIME, THE INTENTION IS FOR AGRICULTURAL USES TO BE ALLOWED AND SO WE WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT A CONTINUE SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WOULD LIMIT THE REMAINING UPLANDS FOR AGRICULTURAL USES AS DEFINED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN THE FUTURE.
>> THANK YOU. >> SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY ON ITEM NUMBER 1 FOR A MOTION AT THIS POINT.
>> YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE YOUR MOTION?
>> WAIT. WE'RE ALREADY VOTING.
COME ON, AMANDA. ANYBODY? ON THE MOTION? PLEASE.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE SUPMAJ 2021-4 KELLER BORROW PIT REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BORROW PIT ON 120-ACRE PARCEL OF LAND IN OPEN RURAL ZONING SUBJECT TO THE CRITERIA OF SECTION 2.03.1 AND SECTION 6.04.09 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BIETDZ TEN CONDITIONS AND EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDE IN THE STAFF REPORT AND IN ADDITION, WE WANT TO ADD SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE OR AMOUNTED TO THIS THAT WOULD -- AMENDMENTS TO THIS THAT WOULD SPEAK TO THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT THAT WAS JUST PROPOSED
BY THE APPLICANT. >> SO I HAVE A MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND IT, BUT IT ALSO WAS THE UPLANDS WOULD REMAIN IN AG USE AS WELL.
>> RIGHT. >> SO JUST TO CLARIFY, YOUR MOTION, MR. PETER FOR THE APPLICANT TO PLACE A CON ON OVER THE CONTIGUOUS WETLANDS ON SITE.
>> CORRECT. >> IM FOR THE UPLANDS TO BE RESTRICTED TO AG USE GOING FORWARD.
IS THAT RIGHT, MS. ACEVEDO? >> YES.
>> MAY I ASK A QUESTION? >> YES.
>> WHO WOULD THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT BE IN FAVOR OF, NUMBER ONE? AND NUMBER TWO, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT ALSO ALLOW AGRICULTURAL USES OR ELSE YOU'RE IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO FENCE YOUR WEAPONS TO KEEP THE AG USE OUT IF IT INVOLVES FOUR-LEGGED ANIMALS. IT COULD BE DIFFICULT TO COMPLY WITH, BUT ARE SOME THINGS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
>> I'M WORRIED THAT THE CONDITION IS GOING TO MAKE THIS WAY MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT SHOULD P PI ESH PRER DR. HILSENBECK'S THOUGHTS ON THIS AND MS. ACEVEDO.
I'D RATHER INSTEAD OF MAKING A CON THIS AND VOTING ON IT THAT WAY, MAYBE HAVE MS. AC WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH STAFF THAT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SHE'S AN APPLICANT THAT IS HERE VERY FREQUENTLY AND INTERACTS WITH STAFF. I'M SHOWER THEY CAN COP UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER THAN WE CAN COME UP WITH IN THE SECTION 30
SECONDS. >> SO THAT'S MR. MILLER'S THOUGHTS. DR. HILSENBECK.
>> WELL, TO ANSWER PARTIALLY YOUR QUESTION, MS. ACEVEDO, WHO WOULD THE EASEMENT BE IN FAVOR OF, WHO WOULD HOLD THE EASEMENT WOULD BE WOULD BE CAN ONTARIO, COULD BE THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY WATER DISTRICT. NOT EVERYBODY TWHANTS TO HOLD AN EASEMENT BECAUSE THEN TO MONITOR IT TIP OFCLY ANNUALLY MAKE SURE IT'S BEING COMPLIED WITH, BUT I COMPLICATING FACTOR, BUT THAT SAID, MOST PEOPLE SPEND MORE THAN, SAY, TEN MINUTES CONSIDERING WHETHER TO PUT A CONSERVATION EASEMENT OVER A PART OF THEIR PROPERTY. SO I DO THINK THAT WAS A BIT OF A PRESSURE THAT WAS UNNECESSARY TO DO IT SO QUICKLY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN EASEMENT OVER THE PROPERTY, BUT I DO THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. YOU ARE A REGULAR APPLICANT HERE AND TRUSTWORTHY, AND I'M SURE YOU COULD WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING, SO I'M FINE WITH THAT.
>> SO DO YOU WANT ME TO AMEND THE MOTION?
>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO MODIFY YOUR MOTION?
>> WITHDRAW THE OLD ONE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A NEW
MOTION, WITHDRAW. >> I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW THE OLD
ONE. >> DO YOU WITHDRAW YOUR SECOND?
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MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT 2021-04 KELLER BORROW PIT, REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO LOWELL U. FLOWER TO CONSTRUCTION OF A BORROW PIT ON 120-ACRE PARCEL OF LAND IN OPEN RURAL ZONING SUBJECT TO THE CRITERIA SECTION 2.03.1 AND
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SECTION 6.04.09 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BASED ON THE TEN CONDITIONS AND EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED INTHE STAFF REPORT. >> ALL RIGHT.
MOTION BY MR. PETER. >> SECOND.
>> SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.
ALL RIGHT. CONGRATULATIONS, MS. ACEVEDO.
OKAY. MOVING ON TO MR. BROOKS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE WITH
REGARD TO THIS ITEM? >> HELLO.
MAX GARCIA MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP.
I AM PRESENTING FOR MS. BROOKS. I DID ARRIVED AN AUTHORIZATION TO STAFF IN ORDER TO PRESENT. THIS IS FOR MINOR MODIFICATION 2020 HO 06 OR ST. JOHN ACADEMY LOCATED AT 1533 WILD WROOD DRIVE. THEY ARE LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF STATE ROUTE 207, A COLLECTOR. THEY ARE REQUESTING TO EXPAND -- I'M SORRY. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED FOR PUD SPECIFICALLY THE TREATY OAKS PUD THAT INCLUDES TREE PARK ALONG WITH THE SUBDIVISION SURROUNDING.
THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THIS DESIGNATION IS RESIDENTIAL C, AND JUST NORTH OF THIS IS THE PARKS RECREATION WHICH CONTAINS TREATY PARK. SO WE ARE REQUESTING MINOR MODIFICATION TO THE TREATY GROUNDS PUTT PUD IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL USE ON ONLY 1.18-ACRE PARCEL.
THE ONE SHOWN IN RED AS YOU CAN SEE FROM ZONING MAP, IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE PUD. IT WOULD ONLY BE LOCATED ON THIS PARCEL AND THE PARCEL IS OWNED BY THE APPLICANT, ST. JOHN ACADEMY THEY ARE PROPOSING TO IMPROVE THIS PROPERTY UTILITY FIELD ORE OUTDOOR EDUCATION AND EASKTS ASSOCIATED SOLELY WITH THE PRIVATE SCHOOL. FOR THE SAKE OF BREV AT THIS TIME I DON'T GO THROUGH THE MINOR MODIFICATION CRITERIA FOR A PUD, BUT STAFF DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED REQUESTS OF QUALIFIES AS A MINOR MODIFICATION FOR A NEW PRD PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE PUD. ADDRESSING SOME OF THE SPECIAL USE CRITERIA FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL, THEY HAVE TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO A COLLECTOR, WHICH IS WILDWOOD DRIVE.
THEY SHOULD NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF AN ESTABLISHMENT OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WHICH THEY ARE NOT, AND THERE'S NO NEW PROPOSED SIGNAGE ON THIS PARCEL.
THEY HAVE AN EXISTING SIGN FOR THE SCHOOL ALREADY.
IN ADDITION TO GENERAL PROVISIONS, JUST ADDRESSING THE -- THAT THERE WILL BE DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD BASED ON THE DPABLGHT THAT IT IS JUST A SMALL PRIVATE SCHOOL AND IT'S BEEN THERE BE A PRIVATE SCHOOL USE HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1985. ST. JOHN ACADEMY TOOK OVER IN 1995. A ADDITION, THE PROPERTIY ADJACENT NORTH OF TREATY PARK WILL HAVE A 10-FOOT PERMANENT BUFFER ON THAT BOUNDARY AS WELL, AND HEN TO THE WESTERNMOST BOUNDARY IS CONTIGUOUS WETLANDS WHICH THE NOL BE IMPANGD WHATSOEVER. -- NOT BE IMPACTED.
THIS IS THE FULL TREATY PUD MAP.
IT'S ALMOST 290 ACRES. THE PARCEL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS CIRCLED IN RED AND IS ALMOST 1.2 ACRES.
LIKES I' WAS MENTIONING IT'S WANT .8 ACRES CROORKD TO THE PROPERTY PRAISE AREA'S MAP. JUST TO GIVE AUN IDEA WHAT IT WOULD LIKE THEY ARE PROPOSING A CHAIN LINK FENCE ON THE NORTHERN PERIMETER. THERE ARE WETLAND ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS A 20 FOOTED REQUIRED NATURAL BUFFER BETWEEN THEM AND THE PARK -- SORRY -- THE FIELD. AND THEN THIS WOULD JUST BE A SOD COVERING, AND THEN THEY ARE ONLY PROPOSING ALUMINUM CHAIN FENCE AS AN ACCESSORY STROWCHT FIELD.
-- STRUCTURE ON THE FIELD. THE CLIENT, ST. JOHN ACADEMY, IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY FUTH QUESTIONS.
I AM ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT
HAVE. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AGENCY? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? I ASKED THAT BEFORE.
BUT THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO HELP.
YOU ALREADY TOLD ME NO ONCE. CAN'T CHANGE YOUR ANSWER.
NO QUESTIONS. NO PUBLIC COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY.
SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.
MS. PERKINS. >> I'LL OFFER A NOTION TO APPROVE MINMOD 2020 HAVES-06 ST. JOHNS ACADEMY GEYER MARIN
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MODIFICATION TO THE TREATY GROUNDS PUD TO ALLOW FOR A[4. MINMOD 2021-09 Brookside Preserve. ]
PRIVATE SCHOOL LOCATED DIRECTLY NORTH OF.BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO SIX CONDITIONS AS
PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.
>> OKAY. A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS, SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE ALL RIGHT. THAT ITEM PASSES.
AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO MR. BURNETT.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. DOUG BURNETT, ST. JOHN LAW GROUP 14 SEA GROVE MAIN STREET HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.
FOR THE RECORD. ALSO WITH ME THE JIM MCDAVID KB HOME. THIS IS A KB PROJECT.
VERY BRIEFLY, I'M NOT GLOWING G TO GO THROUGH MAI PRESENTATION UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS AND YOU FEEL I NEED TO.
THIS IS ELLE AY CLEANUP PIEMENT WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THIS PROJECT. IT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
THE ISSUE CAME UP TO SAY, WAIT A SECOND.
IN THE PUD IT SAYS THAT LOT COVERAGE IS 25%.
THERE'S NOTHING FOR THE INDIVIDUAL LOT.
IT'S THE OVERALL PROJECT. THERE ARE 4300 QUARE 4300E FOOT LOTS 143 BY 100. IF WE HAD 25% LOT COVERAGE YOU GET A 1,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME. KB DOESN'T BUILD A 1,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 60% LOT COVERAGE. THAT WAS MISSED IN THE PROCESS, AND SO WITH THIS THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD UP TO A 2580 SQUARE FOOT HOME PER LOT. THAT'S THE ISSUE.
IT'S A CLEANUP. AND SO I'LL SAVE GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION. THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST IS FOR.
>> IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION ON THE PART OF ANY
HOW ABOUT QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?
DRB HYMNALS. >> THIS REALLY ISN'T A QUESTION BUT DID I VOTE AGAINST THIS WHEN IT FIRST CAME UP.
I WAS CON VERLTING LAND USED THAT I DHINT SHOULD BE CONVERTED ABOUT IT PASSED ULTIMATELY THIS BOARD AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND AND I THINK YOUR CLEANUP IS GOOD, SO I PLAN TO SUPPORT IT. THANKS.
>> THANK YOU, DR. HILSENBECK. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE AGENCY? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY
>> WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.
MS. PERKINS. >> MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MOD 2021-09 BROOKSIDE PRESERVE REQUEST FOR A MINOR MODIFICATION TO BROOK SIDE PUD TO CLARIFY LOT COVERAGE INCREASED PRESERVE WET HANDLED DECREASE LOT COUNT FROM 1 TBREAFN TO 1 MR. ARE 44 AND
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INCREASE RECREATION SPACE AND BUFFERS SIDE LOCATED INSIDE BROOKSIDE PRESERVE PUD BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF PFAFF STA ASPROVIDED IN STAFF REPORT. >> MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.
IS THERE A SECOND. SECOND BY MR. PETER.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.
THAT PASSES. CONGRATULATIONS, DWOWG.
MS. SMITH, YOU ARE UP NEXT. WE ARE MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER 10 NOW ON THE AGENDA DUE TO A SCHEDULING CONFLICT.
NOW I WOULD ASK BOARD MEMBERS FOR ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON. Y ELLEN AVERY-SMITH ROGERS TOWERS. AND I WILL INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR WHOLE TEAM. WE'RE HERE, OF COURSE, TO TALK ABOUT SILVERLEAF AND DURING THIS PRESENTATION WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE SIRVEL LEAF PROJECT.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ABOUT ALL OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO SILVERLEAF BECAUSE PENDING ARE THREE APPLICATIONS, ONE, TO MODIFY THE SILVERLEAF DRI, TWO TO MODIFY THE SILVERLEAF PUD, AND THREE FOR THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMOUNTED THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF AMENDMENTS. SO FOR TRANSPARENCY FOR THE BOARD AND THIS PUBLIC WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS OF ALL OF THEM AND NARROW DOWN MOO THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT ITSELF. I DO WANT TO START OUT AGAIN BY INTRODUCING OUR TEAM. THE LANDOWNER OBVIOUSLY IS WHITES AND TIMBER AND VARIOUS AFFILIATES.
ON BEHALF OF THE LANDOWNER HERE TODAY IS CODY MUPPEDZ I OBVIOUSLY AM HERE FOR ROGERS STOWERS.
RYAN CARTER AND RYAN LOCKWOOD ARE OUR PROJECT ENVIRONMENTAL CUSTOMS FOR BUGS AND BUNNIES AND WETLANDS.
AND THEN FROM ENGLAND, THIMS & MILLER BRAD WAFER WHO IS OUR PROJECT SILVER ENGINEERING, RAVE SPOFFORD TOSS HOSS OUR PROJECT MANAGER AND THEN -- OUR TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER AND WE ALSO HAD A CULTURAL RESOURCES ASSESSMENT OF THE LAND THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE ADD DODD THIS PROJECT, AND SO THAT WAS DONE BY DANA ST. CLARE AND ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS AND STUDIES RELATED TO THE COMP PLAN AMOUNTED ARE AMENDMENTS ARE IN
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YOUR RECORD. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THE APPLICATION MATERIALS ARE PART OF THIS PUBLIC RECORD AND ARE INCORPORATED INTO OUR PRESENTATION AS A MATTER OF REFERENCE. TO GET STARTED, FOR A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, AGAIN, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH SILVERLEAF, YOU SEE I-95. ST. JOHN PARKWAY OR 2209, AS THE CASE MAY BE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.AND THEN THE FUTURE BELTWAY WHICH CUTS THROUGH THE MIDDLE.
THIS IS APPROVED MORGUES OF SILVERLEAF OUTLINED IN THIS YELLOW COLOR OR MILD IN THE YELLOW COLOR.
THE ADDITIONAL LAND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE PUD AND DRI APPLICATIONS THAT BE BE FORTHCOMING TO PUBLIC HEARING ARE OUTLINED IN RED.
AND SO ZOOMING IN, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A THREE-STEP APPROACH. THIS IS THE BOUNDARY OF THE EXISTING APPROVED SILVERLEAF. SO SILVERLEAF HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR 15 YEARS. IT WAS FIRST APPROVED IN TWROW 6. IT -- 2006.
IT INCLUDES ABOUT 8800 ACRES INCLUDING THE MAIN BODY OF SILVER LEAFL WHICH YOU SEE AGAIN, THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY OR OUTERBELTWAY AS IT'S PRERCHESD YOU SEE 2209 COMING THROUGH. YOU SHE RURAL SILVICULTURE LAND USE PROPERTY WHICH IS IN PRESERVATION AND WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED. THEN YOU SEE WHAT'S CALLED GRAND CREEK, WHICH IS NOT -- IT'S PART OF THE EXISTING DRI AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK THROUGH THE NEW PARCELS IN JUST A MINUTE.
YOU SEE THE SCHOOL SITES, THE TOWN CENTER, AND ALL OF THE DETAILS THAT WE'LL WALK THROUGH.
SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT SILVER LEAF HAS ALREADY PROVIDED TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY INCLUDING THE YOU CAN CRF ST. JOHNS COUNTY PARNLG WAY OR CROIB ROAD 2209 AND SILVERLEAF PARKWAY ALONG WITH THE DEDICATION OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE ST. JOHN PARKWAY EXTENSION DOWN TO INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY.
THAT COST WAS $78 MILLION. THIS PROJECT HAS ALSO DETAINED 200 LOTS IN ARMSTRONG FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, DEAD CAWTD A 40-ACRE COMMUNITY PARK SITE, DEDICATED THE THREE SCHOOL SITES THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT ON THE MAP AND WE'LL LOOK AT IN A SUBSEQUENT MAP, AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTION OF 7800 OR SO DOLLARS PER HOME AS SCHOOL MITIGATION TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD, DR. MCCORMICK.
AND, OF COURSE, THE PRESERVATION OF 4,000 ACRES OF LAND THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MAP. GOING FORWARD, AGAIN, THE EXISTING PORTION OF SILVERLEAF ARE ACCOUNTED LINED, THESE LANDS OUTLINED IN THE GREEN HERE AND HERE.
THE ADDITIONAL LANDS, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH IN JUST A MINUTE, ARE THESE, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO REFER A LOT TO PARCELS 38, 39, 40, 4:30 41 AND 42 TODAY.
AND I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE THERE ARE SITE-SPECIFIC TEXTED POLICIES THAT ACCOMPANY THE MAP CHANGE THAT ARE RELYING ON THOSE PARCEL NUMBERS.
SO I WILL WALK THROUGH THE LOCATIONS OF EACH PARCEL WITH RESPECT TO EACH COMPONENT THAT OF SITE-SPECIFIC TEXT POLICY.
AGAIN, HERE YOU SEE PARCELS 38 AND 39, AND THIS LITTLE 39B.
THIS IS CALLED IN YOUR PACKAGE THE WOLF TRACT.
YOU SEE PARCEL 40. THIS IS PARTS OF TROUT CREEK SOUTH THAT IS IN YOUR APPLICATION PACKAGE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT SEPARATELY IN JUST A MINUTE.
AND THEN ALSO PARCELS 41A, 41B AND 42, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THESE SEPARATELY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SITE-SPECIFIC TEXT POLICY OF THEIR OWN. SO AGAIN, WE'RE CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE. MOST OF SILVERLEAF HAS EITHER MIXED USE DISTRICT OR RESIDENTIAL C FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. RIGHT NOW THE WOLF PARCEL OR PARCELS 38 AND 39 HAVE AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE LAND USE. AND THEN YOU SEE PARCELS 40, 41 HERE AND HERE AND 42. THOSE ARE RURAL SILVICULTURE LAND USE AT THIS TIME. SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO CHANGE THOSE COLORS. SO AGAIN, GOING TORT WOLF PARCEL, 38, 39A WILL BE RESIDENTIAL C.
39B DOWN HERE WILL BE COMMERCIAL.
YOU CAN SEE THAT LITTLE DETAIL ON THE MAP.
PARCEL 40 IS RESIDENTIALC LAND USE.
41A, 41B AND 42 ARE RESIDENTIAL-A.
AND AGAIN WE'RE CHANGING TO RESIDENTIAL C FOR -- I'M SORRY.
WENT TOO FAST. AGAIN, CHANGING TO RESIDENTIAL C FOR 38, I MEAN, YES, 38, 39A, SPECIAL FOR 39B.
RESIDENTIAL C FOR PARCEL 40. AND THEN RESIDENTIAL-A FOR THESE
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PARCELS 41 AND 42. SO HERE'S THE PROPOSED DRI MAP.AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THREE PORTIONS OF THE APPLICATION AT THE SAME TIME JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S GOING. THINS EVER SINCE THIS IS A TRANSMIT THE DRI APPLICANTS AND THE PUD APPLICATION WILL MARRY UP WITH THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY AT ADOPTION HEARINGS AND SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND GIVING YOU THE FULL PICTURE TODAY.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE'S 38.
AGAIN, THOSE SAME PARCELS BEING ADDED TO THE BOUND RIFLTS SILVERLEAF DRI, 38, 39, 40, 41 AND 42.
THAT'S -- AND YOU CAN SEE ALSO THE WETLAND PRESERVATION AREAS.
HERE, THESE AREAS, AND THEN THROUGH 38 AND DOWN INTO 39.
JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS, AND WE WON'T WALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE DETAILS, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE ACREAGES, AGAIN WITHIN WOLF PARCELS 38 AND 39. WHAT THOSE ACREAGES ARE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RESIDENTIAL EXRVMENT AND COMMERCIAL.
YOU SEE TROUT CREEK SOUTH, 40, 41A AND 41B YOU SEE THE COMBINED ACREAGES OF THOSE PARCELS, RESIDENTIAL C FOR 40.
RESIDENTIAL-A FOR 41A AND B. AND THEN FOR THE VO CAWJ PARCEL AS IT IS DLIN RATED IN THE WRITTEN APPLICATION DOCUMENTS IS THIS ACREAGE AND IS PROPOSED TO GO TO RESIDENTIAL-A.
SO ALSO WITH THIS COMP PLAN MAP CHANGE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S CALLED THE SITE SPECIFIC TEXTED POLICY.
SO THIS LANGUAGE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS PROPOSED TO BE INSERTED INTO THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALONG WITH THE MAP CHANGE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ABOUT WHAT DEVELOPMENT DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES ARE ALLOWED IN EACH ONE OF THESE PARCELS. SO WE'RE GOING TO READ THROUGH THIS WITH RESPECT TO MARCEL 40 ONLY.
SO DEVELOPMENT WITHIN PARCEL 40 WILL NOT BE PERMITTED UNTIL THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY IS OPENED TO TRAFFIC OR JANUARY 1, 2030, WHICHEVER FIRST OCCURS. MORE SPECIFICALLY, ST. JOHNS COUNTY WILL NOT APPROVE THE FIRST RESIDENTIAL PLAT OR COMMERCIAL HORIZONTAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS OR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN PARCEL 40 UNTIL THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY IS OPENED OR JANUARY 1, 2030, WHICHEVER FIRST OCCURS.
NOW, THIS NEXT PART I WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD HAS BEEN AMENDED FOLLOWING OUR COMMUNITY MEETING BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF A COMMUNITY MEETING IS TO GET INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THEN CHANGE THE APPLICATION THERLS TO REFLECT COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO AFTER OUR COMMUNITY MEETING IN JUNE, WE ADDED THE LANGUAGE "LOTS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT EDGES WITHIN PARCEL 40 SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF ONE-HALF ACRE IN SIZE." AND THEN MORE RECENTLY WE ALSO ADDED, AFTER CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ALONG HARD WOOFD LANDING ROAD, LOTS WITHIN THE PORTIONS OF PARCEL 40 ADJACENT TO THE LAND WITH THOSE VARIOUS PARCEL IDS, ALL OF WHICH ARE LOCATED ALONG HARDEDWOOD LANDING ROAD THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE WITHIN PARCEL 40 WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 100 FEET WIDE AND 200 FEET DEEP AND EACH OF SUCH LOT SHALL HAVE A DEED RESTRICTION THAT PROHIBITS THE CLEARING OF VEGETATION WITHIN THE WESTERN 15 FEET OF THE LOT ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE.
LAKES AND BERMS MAY BE LOCATED WITHIN PARCEL 40 DEVELOPMENT EDGES TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING AND SCREENING FROM ADJACENT LANDS. THESE SPECIFIC LAND USE PERMITTED WITHIN PARCEL 40 ARE SET FORTH IN AGAIN THE SILVERLEAF PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WHICH WILL COME OF FORWARD WHEN THIS CONSERVATION EASEMENT MARRIES UP WITH IT AT ADOPTION HEARINGS. SO ALL OF THESE WERE NEGOTIATED WITH CONJUNCTION WERE COMMUNITY INPUT, AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY REACHING OUT TO US AND TALKING TO US INDIVIDUALLY FOLLOWING THE COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT THESE CHANGES. AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST WITH RESPECT TO PARCEL 40. SO -- AND THIS IS WHAT THOSE CHANGES LOOK LIKE. SO HERE'S HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REQUIRES A 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE AND IT NEEDS TO BE UNDISTURBED. SO THERE WILL BE 35 FEET ADJACENT TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD.
THEN THE 15-FOOT BUFFER THAT'S CALLED FOR IN THAT TEXTED POLICY ON THE BACKS OF THESE LOTS, THE MINIMUM LOT DEPTH IS 200 FEET AND THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 100 FEET.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. HERE ARE THE STORM WATER PONDS.
AND THAT'S TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT TEXTED POLICY LOOKS LIKE ON A MAP, IF YOU WILL. THEN GIVING YOU A LITTLE BIT
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MORE INFORMATION AND LOOK, BECAUSE A PICTURE'S WORTH A THOUSAND WOSHEDZ HERE YOU HAVE HARD WOODLANDING ROAD FOR THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTHS VARY, AND SO YOU SEE THAT GAP. THE 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE.THE 15 FOOTNOTE CLEARING, AND THEN THE 200-FOOT MINIMUM LOT DEPTH ALONG THAT PORTION OF THE EDGE OF PARCEL 40.
OKAY. CONTINUING BECAUSE WE ARE INTO SITE SPECIFIC TEXT POLICIES. WHB THIS SITE SPECIFIC TEXTED POLICY IS FOR LOT -- OR PARCELS 41A, B AND 42.
THESE ARE THE EQUESTRIAN LOTS. THESE ARE PROPOSED TO BE RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL-A WHICH HAS A MINIMUM DENSITY OF ONE UNIT PER ACRE SO THAT'S THE SMALLEST LOT THAT CAN BE OUT THERE IS ONE ACRE. SO WE'RE SAYING THAT AREA, 41A, 41B AND 42 COMBINED CANNOT EXCEED 195 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS RESULTING IN AN AVERAGE DENSITY OF ONE UNIT PER 3 ACRES WHICH IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE USES OF SURROUNDING LANDS.
DEVELOPMENT WITHIN PARCELS 41B, WHICH IS ON THE RIVER SIDE OF STATE ROAD 13, SHALL YOU HAD INCLUDE NO MORE 34 SINGLE FAY LOTS AND SUCH LOTS SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF 3 ACRES IN SIZE.
LOTS WITHIN PARCELS 41A AND 42 WHICH ARE ON THE NON-RIVER SIDE OF STATE ROAD 13 WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 1 ACRE IN SIZE.
NO NON-RESIDENTIAL USES SHALL BE PERMITTED WITHIN PARCELS 31U.41A, 42B AND 42 EXCEPT NOR ONE EQUESTRIAN AND FARMING USES ANCILLARY TO SINGLE FAMILY LOTS LOCATED THEREIN AND 2, AGRICULTURAL AND SILVICULTURAL USES.
SO LOOKING AT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, HERE'S PARCEL 41B.
OVERALL 41A, 41B AND 42 COMBINED CAN HAVE NO MORE THAN 195 LOTS ALTOGETHER. THE AVERAGE DENSITY IS ONE UNIT PER 3 ACRES WHICH IS CONSIST OF AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE USES OF THE SURROUNDING LANDS WHICH TEND TO BE SMALLER HORSE FARMS AND LOTS, BIGGER LOTS. THEN WITH RESPECT TO PARCEL 41B, WHICH AGAIN IS HERE ON THE RIVER SIDE HAVE STATE ROAD 13, MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 3 ACRES OVER IN THIS AREA AND AGAIN NOTE THIS IS WETLAND AREA THAT WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED.
SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE MAP AMENDMENT AND THE TEXT POLICIES IF WE HAVE ANY COMING UP.
GOING IN BACK TO THE DRI AND THE PUD, THE OVERALL REGIONAL ROADWAY NETWORK IMPROVEMENTS, RECALL THAT SILVER LEAF HAS ALREADY CONSTRUCTED ST. JOHN PARKWAY OR COUNTY ROAD 2209.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED FROM 210 DOWN TO THIS POINT IN SILVERLEAF, AND THEN THE ROAD SILVERLEAF PARKWAY HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED DOWN HERE TO INTERNATIONAL GOLF -- I'M SORRY -- STATE ROAD 16A. THE PROPOSAL, AND YOU SEE THE OUTER BELTWAY WHICH COMES THROUGH THIS AREA, SILVERLEAF HAS ALREADY DEDICATED MORE THAN 300 ACRES TO THE DOT FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THAT BELTWAY WHICH WILL CONNECT TO I-95.
YOU SEE IN IT THIS LOCATION. IT WILL COME OVER FROM CLAY COUNTY ACROSS A REPLACEMENT SHANS BRIDGE, COME UP IN THIS CONFIGURATION, CUT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF SILVERLEAF, CROSS OVER ST. JOHN PARKWAY AND CONNECT TO I-95.
SO IN ORDER TO HELP TRAFFIC CONNECTIVITY IN THE AREA, WE'RE PROPOSING THE SILVER LAKE DRIVE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS LOOP TO CORRECT ON TWO POINTS TO 2209 AND THEN ALSO THIS ROAD THAT'S CALLED THE STATE ROAD 13 CONNECTOR WHICH WILL CONNECT FROM STATE ROAD 13 -- I'M SORRY -- THE SILVER LAKE DRIVE LOOP DOWN SOUTH TO 16A, CROSS 16A AND COME DOWN TO STATE ROAD SO THAT FOLKS WHO LIVE DOWN HERE AND LONG STATE ROAD 13 CAN TAKE THIS CUT-THROUGH, GET OFF ON 16A OR CONTINUE UP TO THIS LOOP AND GET ON 2209 OR THE OUTER BELTWAY, WHATEVER THEY PREFER.
WITH RESPECT TO THE ROADWAY MITIGATIONS AND THE BENEFITS THOSE, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS. I WROANT READ THEM TO YOU, BUT YOU SEE THE NUMBER OF NON-PROJECT TRIPS THAT CAN USE THOSE REASONABLY SIGNIFICANT ROADS THAT ARE PROPOSED, AND THEY WILL HELP TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON STATE ROAD 13 AND 16A GET UP MORE EASILY TO THE OUTER BELTWAY AND 2209.
AND MR. CRAMON IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AND THEIR REGIONAL 6.AND BENEFIT. SO THE SUMMARY OF THE BENEFITS, OF COURSE, ARE INCREASE THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. THOSE TWO NEW ROADS THAT IT SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT A MINUTE AGO COST ABOUT $42 MILLION TO CONSTRUCT AND INCLUDE ABOUT 6.2 MILES OF ROADWAY.
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THESE -- THERE ARE NEW LOCATIONS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL SPACE NEAR THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY% BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING 250,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE IN ADDITION TO THE 3.5 OR SO MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL THAT ALREADY EXISTS WITHIN SILVERLEAF. SO BRINGING JOBS TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE DISCUSSED THAT IN LAST YEARS DRI MODIFICATION. AND SO THERE IS THAT GREAT NEED. PEOPLE ARE THE BIG THE NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY SO WE'RE ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THIS ADDITIONAL LAND. THIS PROJECT EXPANDS THE NEEDED HOUSING CHOICE IN NOTE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY BECAUSE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE RATE -- THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE ABSORBING VERY QUICKLY AND THERE IS THE NEED FOR THIS ADDITIONAL HOUSING IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.WE'RE PROPOSING CONSTRUCTION OF MULTI-PURPLE PATH ALONG THE COLLECTOR ROADS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK AND BIKE TO WHEREVER THEY WANT TO GO IN THIS AREA. THERE WILL BE A MULTI-PURPOSE PATH THAT COULD CONNECT TROUT CREEK PARK EVENTUALLY THROUGH SILVERLEAF, THROUGH THE TWELVE MILE SWAMP AND OVER TO MOCHA TEE AND THE INTRACOASTAL WATERWAY IF THE COUNTY WANTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OFFER OF THAT EASEMENT TO MAKE THAT TRAIL A REALITY. AGAIN, THE PRESS VAWFTION MORE THAN 4700 -- PRESS SCRAIFTION MORE THAN 4700 ACRES OF PROPERTY AT BUILD-OUT AND THEN AGAIN IN THIS RESIDENTIAL EQUESTRIAN COMPONENT IN PARCELS 41 AND 42, THAT WILL BE EQUESTRIAN IN LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WHICH WILL PRESERVE THE RURAL SCENIC HIGHWAY FEEL OF BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE -- OR TAKE ADVICE, I GUESS, FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS. AGAIN, WE HAVE SPOKEN TO HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS APPLICATION. WE HAVE MADE CHANGES TO THE TEXT POLICY IN RESPONSE TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
WE HOPE THAT THE FOLKS ARE HAPPY WITH THESE CHANGES WHICH WILL MAKE THE PROJECT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS ON THE FRINGES, IF YOU WILL, OF THE PROJECTS.
AND SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'VE ALSO GOT OUR TECHNICAL GUYS TOONS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
ATTENTION TODAY. >> ALL RIGHT.
DR. HILSENBECK. >> ELLEN, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS HERE, SERIES OF QUESTIONS, AND THEN AT THE END OF THIS I THINK I WILL MAKE SOME COMMENTS, GENERAL COMMENTS, BUT THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION. .
>> I WANT TO POINT YOU TO SOME NUMBERS.
SO SILVERLEAF, AGAIN, REALLY GOT STARTED ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, AND SO -- AND STARTED SALES AND CONSTRUCTION IN 2020.
SO BETWEEN 2020 AND 2021, SO FAR THERE HAVE BEEN ABOUT 650 CLOSINGS ON HOUSES ALREADY. AND AS OF MID NEXT YEAR THERE WILL BE ABOUT 3800 UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN EITHER PLATTED OR APPROVED FOR BUILDING PERMIT BY MID TO LATE 2022.
THAT'S HOW FAST THIS MARKET IS AB ABSORBING.
SO THE NEED REALLY IS TO GET THESE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS APPROVED, GET THE LOTS AND THE ROADS UNDER CONSTRUCTION SO THAT WHEN THE MARKET DEMAND COMES FROM NORTH TO SOUTH AND THE EQUESTRIAN LOTS WILL GO AS THEY ARE ABSORBED BECAUSE THAT'S AN DIFFERENT KIND OF UNIT TYPE OR PRODUCT TYPE THAT PEOPLE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE NOW, THEN THE REST OF SILVERLEAF WILL DEVELOP BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF DENSITIES SET FORTH IN THE
TEXT AMENDMENT AS WELL. >> OKAY.
THAT I WAS A GREAT STATEMENT BUT I'M NOT SURE IT WILL ANSWERED MY PARTICULAR QUESTION. CONCERNING THE ROADS, I'VE GOT SEVERAL QUESTIONS HERE. YOU SAID THAT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WOULD BE DEDICATED TO FDOT. DOES THAT MEAN IT'S BEEN GIVEN TO FDOT OR WILL THE COUNTY OR FDOT HAVE TO BUY THAT
RIGHT-OF-WAY? >> I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS DEDICATED TO THE DOT. I'M GOING ASK MR. METCALF.
JOHN METCALF IS HERE WITH US AND HE'S BEEN DEALING WITH THIS
PROJECT FOR LONGER THAN I. >> DEDICATED TO ME COULD MEAN THAT IT'S BEING SET ASIDE AS THIS IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE A ROADWAY VERSUS, OH, WE GAVE IT --
>> THE D OEMT OWNS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY NOW.
>> THEY TONE RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> BUT WE DID SELL IT TO THEM, AND THE QULOANGS WAS JANUARY 22, 2016, AND THE -- THE CLOSING.
>> SO IT WAS SOLD. >> AS ELLEN SAID IT WAS ONE
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400 ACRES. IN ADDITION TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY,Y WE BUILT SEVERAL JOINT USE PONDS SO A LOT OF THE DRAINAGE FROM THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY THROUGH SILVERLEAF IS ALREADY IN PLACE. SO THERE WAS JOINT PLANNING TWINS AND THE DOT. SO THE INTERSECTION WITH SILVERLEAF PARKWAY -- I'M SORRY, ST. JOHN PARKWAY IS ALREADY PLANNED, AND AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THE EXPRESSWAY RIGHT-OF-WAY IS WIRED THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.SO WHEN DO YOU ALL ANTICIPATE THESE TWO ROADS, THE STATE ROAD 13 EXTENSION AND THE SILVER LAKE EXPRESSWAY, ARE GOING TO
ACTUALLY BE BUILT? >> THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY?
>> THE STATE ROAD 13. THE TWO ROADS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD AS PART OF THIS.
WHEN WOULD THOSE ACTUALLY BE BUILT?
>> THOSE DETAILS ARE IN THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER, WHICH IS NOT A SUBJECT OF TODAY'S HANK, AND I CAN GO PULL THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER WHICH IS IN MY FILE BUT I DON'T HAVE IT HERE.
BUT THE IDEA IS TO BUILD THE EXTENSION, THE SILVER LAKE DRIV DRIVE. THIS LOOP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, WITHIN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. AND THEN TO BUILD THE CONNECTOR ROAD FROM THE LOOP ROAD DOWN TO 16A WITHIN THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. AND THEN AGAIN PARCEL 40 WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED AT THE YELLOWS EARLIEST UNTIL EITHER THE OUTERBELTWAY IS OPENED ORE JANUARY 1, 2030.
SO THAT ROAD FROM STATE ROAD 16-- I'M SORRY.
COUNTY ROAD 16A DOWN TO STATE ROAD 13 WILL NOT CONNECT UNTIL PARCEL 40 IS DEVELOPED, WHICH COULD COULD BE YEARS IN THE
SO LET'S -- IF YOU DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, WOULD THERE BE A NEED FOR THESE PARTICULAR ROADS?
>> THAT'S A JEFF CRAMMEN QUESTION SO I WILL HAVE HIM COME UP AND GIVE HIS TECHNICAL ANSWER.
>> I LIKE TO WEAR ALL HATS BUT, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING
NEEDS AN EXPERT. >> IF YOU CAN GO BACK THE
NUMBERS YOU SEE -- >> JEFF REMEMBER NAME AND
ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> JEFF CRAMIN, 14775 OLD SARATOGA ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD. THE NUMBERS YOU SEE ON THE MAP ARE NON-PROJECT DAILY TRAFFIC SO IT'S SHOWING 3,000 3,000 CARA DAY ON THE SECTION OF THE STATE ROAD 13 CONNECTOR, FROM 13 UP TO 16A AND THEN THAT GOES TO 2000 AND THEN ALONG THE LOOP OF SILVER LAKE DRIVE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2,000 AND 5,000 CARS, NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT USING THOSE ROADS.
RIGHT NOW STATE ROAD 16 BETWEEN STATE ROAD 13 AND COUNTY ROAD 1 ROAD 16A HAS SERIOUS ISSUES. IT'S A TWO-LANE ROAD, OVERCAPACITY, NO REAL PLAN TO WIDEN IT.
THIS CONNECTOR ACTUALLY TAKES PEOPLE IN THE DIRECTION THEY WANT TO GO AND WILL PROVIDE RELIEF TO THAT.
>> OKAY. SO JUST ON THESE FIGURES HERE YOU'VE GOT ABOUT MAYBE 13,000 DAILY TRIPS NOW, AND YOU'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER 3,000, BUT THE ROADS ARE NOT GOING TO GET BUILT FOR THREE TO FIVE YEARS. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAYBE EVEN START THEM FOR THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
THERE'S ALREADY A HUGE NEED, SO I'M JUST WONDERING, SINCE MY OPINION HERE, JUST WONDERING IF MONEY WOULD BE BETTER SPENT, PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE OF FUNDS WOULD BE BETTER SPENT ON UPGRADING THE DEFICIENT ROAD SEGMENTS.
YOU MENTIONED 19 DEFICIENT ROAD SEGMENTS IN THE APPLICATION.
WOULD THAT MONEY BE BETTER SPENT ON UPGRADING THOSE NOW? THERE'S ALREADY A HUGE NEED FOR A LOT OF TRAFFIC OUT IN THAT AREA, SO NEW ROADS ARE EXTREMELY COSTTY, ILY, SO WOULD THAT MONEY BE BETTER SPENT ELSEWHERE ON THOSE OTHER 19 SEGMENTS THAT ARE
DEFICIENT? >> THAT IS -- I GUESS EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OPINION ON THAT. I LOOK AT IT, IF WE STARTED ON THAT SECTION OF STATE ROAD 16 TODAY, YOU WOULDN'T SEE
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CONSTRUCTION ON THAT FOR EIGHT TO TEN YEARS BY THE TIME IT WENT THROUGH THE PD&E PROCESS, YOU EAT GETTY NEPA APPROVAL, THEN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, QULIEWRNG SIX, EIGHT, TEN YEARS. IN THAT TIME WE'RE LIABLE TO BE BUILDING -- WELL, SILVER LAKE DRIVE, THE LOOP IS CURRENTLY INTO THE COUNTY FOR DESIGN APPROVAL, SO THAT ONE IS GOING TO BE STARTED ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.CONNECTION DOWN TO 16A WILL IMMEDIATELY FOLLOW THAT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 95 TO SIX YEARS AND 95 FIVE TO S AND WE'LL HAVE A ROAD COMING FROM 16A UP PROVIDING RELIEF NOW WHERE SOME OF THE DEFICIENT SEGMENTS THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, ANYBODY COULDN'T GET TO FOR SUCTION, EIGHT, TEN YEARS.
-- SIX, EIGHT, TEN YEARS. SO IT'S EASIER FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN LAND AND DELIVER IT QUICKER
AND PROVIDE RELIEF SOONER. >> SO THESE RIGHTS-OF-WAY HAVE
ALREADY BEEN SOLD TO FDOT? >> NO.
THEY WILL BE TURNED OVER TO THE COUNTY WHEN THEY'RE BUILT.
>> THEY'LL THEY WILL BE TURNED OVER TO THE COUNTY WHEN THEY'RE BUILT. AND THAT WILL BE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE ROADWAY FROM THEN ON FOR IN PERPETUITYY?
>> YES. >> SO WHAT WOULD 25 YEAR, JUST THROW THAT NUMBER OUT, 25-YEAR MAINTENANCE COST TO THE COUNTY
BE FOR MAINTAINING THOSE ROADS. >> THE ROADS ARE DESIGNED FOR 20 YEARS SO THEORETICALLY THE FIRST 20 DOESN'T COST THEM ANYTHING.
>> SO NO MOWING OF THE ROAD SHOULDERS, NOTHING LOOK LIKE
>> I BELIEVE SILVERLEAF TAKES CARE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WITHIN 2209 RIGHT NOW. I ASSUME THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF
THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY WITHIN THIS. >> SO LET ME ASK A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO BRING UP THE GREENBRIER HILO BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S BEEN TRANSMITTED AND, ELLEN, YOU WERE ON THAT TEAM. YOU HAD A BIG TEAM ASSEMBLED.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME OVERLAP WITH THE TEAM.
AND THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US, AND I VOTED AGAINST THAT.
THERE WERE 20 DEFICIENT ROAD SEGMENTS UP THERE, GREENBRIER HE WILL OH AND NOW THIS IS COMING HELOW.
IT WAS STATED AT THE MEETING, PERHAPS IT WAS A BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING DWAISHES WATCHING ON TELEVISION -- BUT THERE WASN'T $80 MILLION NEED OF EXPENDITURES FOR NEW ROADS BUT THERE WAS ONLY $22 MILLION AVAILABLE SO THERE I WAS $58 MILLION SHORTFALL TO THE COUNTY.
HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE MADE UP AND ALL THAT GOING TO BE COMPENSATED FOR WHEN YOU ADD ALL THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT IN, ALL THIS ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC? I DON'T SEE THAT THESE FIGURES, IN MY OPINION, ARE ADDING UP. THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION.
AND THEN NUMBER TWO, I KNOW YOU'RE AN EXPERT AT THIS AND YOU'RE VERY SMART, VERY SHARP, BUT PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE FORMULA, AND YOU AND I DID SPEAK ABOUT THIS, YOU SAID THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE STATUTE, FLORIDA STATUTE WAS PUT IN ABOUT 2011 OR SO. ARE THOSE -- DO THOSE FIGURES, GIVEN ALL THE CAN BE PARTICULARLY OVER THE LAST YEAR, ALL THE MATERIAL COSTS THAT HAVE SKYROCKETED, LABOR COSTS THAT HAVE GONE UP, DO THOSE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE FIGURES AUTOMATICALLY ADJUST OR -- IN THE FORM A THERE OR DO THEY NEED TO BE UPDATED? I'M CONCERNED THAT PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE ISN'T COVERING THE ACTUAL COSTS OF THESE ROADWAYS SO MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT OR SOME OF YOUR OTHER TRANSPORTATION TEAM CAN ADDRESS THAT, BUT THOSE ARE SERIOUS
AND GIVE ME A CHANCE TO TACKLE. THAT WAS A LONG QUESTION, SERIES OF QUESTIONS SO I'M GOING TO TACKLE IT PIECE BY PIECE BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ANSWERS TO IT.
FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS NOT GREENBRIER HELOW.
GREENBRIER HELOW IS A NEW PROJECT.
SILVERLEAF IS AN EXISTING PROJECT.
SILVERLEAF HAS ALREADY CONSTRUCTED 2209 THROUGH -- DOWN FROM 210, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THIS POINT, AND THEN CONSTRUCTED SILVER LAKE DRIVE DOWN TO STATE ROAD 16 AND 16A.
$78MILLION. SO YOU SEE THAT FIGURE.
ST. JOHN PARKWAY WAS $61 MILLION.
SILVERLEAF PARKWAY WAS 17.5 PLDZ MILLION DOLLARS.
SO THISY OF DEVELOPER BUILT THOSE ROADS UP FRONT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT WITH HIS OWN MONEY.
THE SECOND PART IS NOW WE'RE PROPOSING AGAIN THE SILVER LAKE DRIVE LOOP, IF YOU WILL, AND THE STATE ROAD 13 CONNECTORS FROM
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THE LOOP DOWN TO STATE ROAD 13. THOSE CORRESPONDS $21.5 MILLION APPROXIMATELY AND $21 MILLION APPROXIMATELY.SO THIS IS A DEV DEVELOPER WHO WILL HAVE SPENT $121 MILLION OR SO TO BUILD ROADS FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR THE REGIONAL ROADWAY NETWORK. HE'S NOT ASKING TO PAY A PROPORTIONATE SHARE. HE'S BUILDING THE ROADS THAT WILL, AS MR. CRAM END JUST TESTIFIED, SIGNIFICANTLY BENEFIT THE ROADWAY NETWORK BY BUILDING NEW ROAD, AND SO THAT I THINK HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE PROJECTS. TO YOUR OTHER QUESTION ABOUT PROPORTIONATE SHARE THAT IS A CREATION OF 163 FLORIDA STATUTES. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE OPINION BETWEEN THE PRIVATE SECTOR OR OUR TEAM AND COUNTY STAFF REGARDING THE INTERPRETATION OF THAT LAW.
WE HAVE AGREED RIGHT NOW FOR -- WITH RESPECT TO THE PRRP PROPORTIONATE SHARE CALCULATION TO SET THAT ASIDE.
THAT'S PART OF OUR DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER APPLICATION MATERIALS THAT ARE NOT THE SUBJECT OF THIS HEARING.
BUT USING THE DISCOVERY COUNTY ESTIMATE, THAT DOES INCLUDE WHATEVER TODAY'S VALUE IS OR COST PER CONSTRUCTION OF ROADS.
SO IT'S NOT THAT STATE LAW AND THE DOT FOR OT OR THE COUNTY STAFF ARE NOT AWARE OF THE INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, ROAD PAVING MATERIALS, WHATEVER.
THAT IS PUT INTO THE CALCULATION WHICH IS DONE PURSUANT TO A FORMULA IN THE FLORIDA STATUTES.
AND ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO THIS MITIGATION PACKAGE IS DESIGNED WITH THAT IN MIND.
>> OKAY. THAT WAS A GOOD ANSWER.
STILL, I STILL SEE SHORTFALLS AHEAD, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
>> WELL, AND DR. HILSENBECK, THERE WILL BE SHORTFALLS BECAUSE, I MEAN, SO I WILL SAY THAT BASED ON THE LAW, A PROJECT IS ONLY REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ITS PROPORTIONATE SHARE REGARDLESS OF YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW, THAT'S ALL LEGALLY THAT THE COUNTY CAN REQUIRE. THIS AGAIN, THIS PROJECT IS PROPOSING TO BUILD ROADS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLG, AND SO IT'S NOT SAYING, HERE'S MY PROPORTIONATE SHARE, COUNTY.
DO WITH IT WHAT YOU WILL. IT'S ACTUALLY BUILDING ROAD.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAS A SHORTFALL IN PROVE DOESN'T T IN REVENUE DOESN'T COME OUT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT. PERHAPS THE COUNTY SHOULD LOOK FROM LATES TO FUND FROM OTHER PROPORTIONATE SHARE FROM OTHER PROJECTS OR ROAD YACHTS. THAT'S WHAT THOSE WERE ENACTED TO DO IS NIER SHORTFALL YOU'RE REFERENCING.
>> RIGHT. AND THERE ARE MANY OF THOSE OTHER PROJECTS. I HAVE SAID THERE ARE MANY LAUDABLE THINGS ABOUT THE DEVELOPER HERE BUILDING THOSE ROADS, AND THE 4700-ACRE ULTIMATE SET-ASIDES, WETLAND AREAS AND SILVERRAL LANDS. THOSE ARE LAUDABLE THING THEY HAVE DONE. I WOULD SAY SMFL THESE LANDS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN URGENT DPB SOME OF THESE LANDS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN URGENT WITHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING, SO THEY ARE SERVING THEMSELVES BY BUILDING THESE ROADS TO MAKE THE MORE CONVENIENT FOR THEIR CLIENTS, THE PEOPLE WHO BUY IN THERE TO ACCESS OTHER ROAD WHAIZ.
BUT THOSE ARE GOOD -- ROADWAYS. BUT THOSE ARE GOOD ANSWERS.
SO I MAY HAVE ANOTHER ONE ON ROADS.
BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT -- OKAY.
ON SCHOOL CONCURRENCY AND THE FIGURES YOU STATED THERE, YOU MENTIONED THE FIGURE OF 7791 PER NEW HOME THAT THEY WILL PAY.
$7,791 PER NEW HOME. BUT THAT ONLY KICKS IN WHEN SILVERLEAF EXCEEDS -- WHAT WAS IT? -- 10,700 HOMES?
>> NO, SIR. THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER, WHICH IS IN EFFECT TODAY, REQUIRES THE DEAD CAIFERTION THREE SCHOOLITES AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THOSE ARE IN A MINUTE ON THE MAP AND THE CONTRIBUTION OF $7,791 PER HOME INCLUDING THE EXISTING HOMES IN SILVERLEAF. SO GOING TO THE MAP, HERE'S 104 ACRES HIGH SCHOOL SITE HERE, AND THEN HERE'S A SCHOOL SITE, AND HERE'S A SCHOOL SITE. SO THOSE SITES ARE ALREADY IN THE HANDS OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
BUT THAT WAS STATED IN T WAS IS THAT IT HAD IN THE APPLICATION, IT SAID THE $7,791 ONLY KICKS IN IF SILVERLEAF EXCEEDS 10,700 DWELLING UNITS AND WITH THE COMP PLAN
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>> I COPIED THAT DIRECTLY OUT OF --
>> THAT'S NOT -- THIS APPLICATION IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION. THE DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT DEVELOPMENT ORDER CURRENTLY REQUIRES THAT PAYMENT. IF THE PROJECT GOES OVER 10,700 UNITS, THOSE ADDITIONAL UNITS ABOVE THAT PAY $7,791.
>> EXACTLY. >> BUT THE EXISTING UNITS PAY IT
THAT WAS NOT STATED IN THERE. >> WELL, RIGHT.
AND WE ARE GOING TO GET TO THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER WHEN WE COME BACK FOR ADOPTION HEARING. THIS HEARIN IS ABOUT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND OH WE CAN'T GOTTEN -- THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT DEALS WHEN THE CHANGES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE THE TEXT POLICIES THAT WE PUT UP ON THE SCREEN.
WE WILL GET TO THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, SCHOOL MITIGATION, ALL OF THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER.
>> OKAY. BUT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO VOTE ON SOMETHING WITHOUT SEEING THE WHOLE PACKAGE, SO THAT IS
ALL THAT'S ON THE TABLE TODAY IS THE COMP PLAN TRANSMITTAL.
>> TRANSMITTAL, RIGHT. WE'RE ASKING TO VOTE TO TRANSMIT
IT, THAT'S RIGHT, TO THE STATE. >> THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TRANSMITTAL IS SIMPLY TO CHANGE THE COLORS ON THE MAP HERE TO RESIDENTIAL EXRVMENT AND RESIDENTIAL-A WITH COMMERCIAL HERE, AND THEN FOR THE TEXTED POLICY.
RESIDENTIAL C. IT'S THE MAP CHANGE AND THIS TEXT POLICY FOR PARCEL 40 AND THEN THE TEXT POLICY FOR PARCELS
41, 42A AND B. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
I DID READ THROUGH THIS VERY THOROUGHLY AND TOOK NOTES ON IT. LET ME GET BACK TO THE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY, IF I MAY, PLEASE. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW SILVERLEAF HAVING WITH THIS IF WE ADD THESE 5600 NEW IN, NEW UNITS, HOUSING UNITS, 5600, YOU'LL BE AT 16,300 UNITS.
>> INCLUDING 2,000 AGE-RESTRICTED UNITS WHICH DON'T
IMPACT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. >> THAT WOULD COME OUT AND YOU'VE GOT THE THREE DEDICATED SCHOOL SITES.
THAT 16,300 UNITS IS GOING TO GENERATE SOMEWHERE AROUND 11,000 STUDENTS. SO YOU'VE GOT ONE HIGH SCHOOL SITE. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO ACCOMMODATED THAT. THAT'S THREE, MAYBE FOUR HIGH SCHOOLS ALONE TO ACCOMMODATE, ACCORDING TO THE FAMILY FORMULA, 11,000 NEW STUDENTS. THE.
>> 2,000 OF THE NEW UNITS OF RAGE RESTRICTED SO THEY DO NOT GENERATE STUDENTS FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
>> THEY COULD. >> ALSO, WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER IN DRAFT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD STAFF ABOUT THEIR COMMENTS ON THAT. THEY'VE BEEN BUSY WITH COVID AND GETTING SCHOOL STARTED, SO WE HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THEM, BUT AGAIN, I POINT YOU TO THIS MAP WHICH SHOWS YOU THOSE SCHOOL SITES. AND IF ADDITIONAL SCHOOL SITES ARE NEEDED, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT.
AND AGAIN, THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER ALREADY CONTEMPLATES THE SCHOOL MITIGATION FOR THIS ENTIRE PROJECT.
AND AGAIN, THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS A COPY OF THIS PROPOSED DRAFT DEVELOPMENT ORDER, WHICH IS GOING TO AGAIN COME TO THIS BOARD IN THE NEXT FEW MODS ALON MONTHS ALONG WHEN THIS COMP PLAN
OOLINGS ADOPTION. >> RIGHT, BUT THAT PREVIOUS AGREEMENT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE 5600 NEW HOMES.
>> IT DID, SIR. AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO MY -- I HAVE IN MY BRIEFCASE IN THE BACK THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER.
SO IF YOU WILL GIVE ME ONE MINUTE TO GO GET THAT DEVELOPMENT ORDER, I CAN SHOW YOU ON THE SCREEN WHAT THE
LANGUAGE SAYS. >> I'LL BELIEVE YOU.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THAT AND TAKE MORE TIME THAN WE'RE ALREADY TAKING HERE. I KNOW MR. MATOVINA HAS AN URGENT MATTER. BUT LET ME JUST GET BACK TO THE 5600 NEW HOMES AT $7,791 ADDED REVENUE TO THE COUNTY.
THAT'S GOING TO GENERATE $43,629,600.
SO 433 MILLION, $44 MILLION. THE LAST HIGH SCHOOL THAT I WAS BUILT THAT I HEARD WAS $60 MILLION AND I THINK IT WENT OVER $60 MILLION JUST TO BUILD A SINGLE HIGH SCHOOL SO JUST FOR ONE HIGH SCHOOL YOU WOULD STILL BE ABOUT $17 MILLION SHORT GIVEN THAT FORMULA, SO THAT'S A REAL CONCERN TO ME.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO WRAP UP QUESTIONS.
I HAVE A LOT MORE, BUT -- I MEAN, PAGES.
OKAY. YOU STATE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY NEEDED NOW, AND I UNDERSTAND THE ASSIMILATION RATE AND HOW MANY HOUSES ARE BEING PERMITTED AND BUILT IN THE COUNTY, AND YOU'VE GOT SOME FIGURES IN THERE FROM ENGLAND, THIMS & MILLER. 23,000 THROUGH TO 28,000 HOMES ARE PERMITTED RIGHT IN THIS AREA.
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BUT COUNTYWIDE WE'VE GOT ABOUT 60,000 PLATTED AND APPROVED LOTS, NOT PERMITTED HOMES BUT PLATTED AND APPROVED LOTS ON THE BOOKS, BUT SAY THERE'S AN URGENT NEED FOR THIS.>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW -- >> HERE'S THE QUESTION.
BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REACH BUILDING-OUT UNTIL 2047.
SO IF THIS IS REALLY URGENT, YOU'VE GOT 25 YEARS, 26 YEARS TO REACH BUILD-OUT? IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT URGENT WHEN THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER PLATTED AND APPROVED LOTS ON THE BOOKS.
AND THAT ASSUMED A RATE OF -- YOU HAD 6,000 PER YEAR
ASSIMILATION OR 4,000. >> THAT'S IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR. THAT WAS NOT N. NOT COUNTY E WIDE. ONE, THE 60,000 I DISAGREE WITH THE COUNTY'S CALCULATION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF AVAILABLE UNBUILT UNITS JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LAND TO BUILD THEM ON.
BUT ASSUMING THAT IS CORRECT, THAT'S FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS FOCUSING ON THE NORTHWEST SECTOR AND ABOUT THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL HOMES IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
AND AGAIN, AT THE RATES THAT THIS PROJECT AND OTHERS IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR ARE BUILDING OUT, THERE IS A GREAT NEED FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING BECAUSE, LIKE IT OR NOT, PEOPLE ARE MOVING THIS TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT PRICES OF HOMES ARE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INVENTORY.
>> FOR SURE. >> AND SO I RESPECT THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT AGREE WITH THE GROWTH, BUT PEOPLE HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE A MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT PROVIDES THE NECESSARY ROADWAY NETWORK, SCHOOL MITIGATION, ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED FROM A DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER WHICH HAS GONE THE WAY OF THE DODO BIRD, BUT THIS IS A GOOD PLANNING TOOL, AS YOU POINT OUT, FOR THE LONG TERM. AND AGAIN, THISY OF DEVELOPER IS NOT PROPOSING TO BUILD THE ROADS EXCEPT THROUGH PARCEL 40 IN THE LONG TERM. HE IS PROPOSING TO BUILD THEM NOW. THE SCHOOL SITES ARE ALREADY THERE NOW. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE BUILD-OUT WILL OCCUR OVER TIME, WHICH IS THE INTENT OF THE DRI.
>> AND YOU AND SOME OTHERS MAY HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME BELIEVING THIS BUT I HAVE BEEN A MAJOR PROPERTY PRIETS ADVOCATE.
I RETIRED WORKING IN ADULT LIFE.
BUT DOES ANY ENTITLEMENT THAT A LANDOWNER ASKS FOR ON THEIR PROPERTY, IS THAT A -- SHOULD THAT BE GRANTED UNDER PRIVATE
PROPERTY RIGHTS LAW? >> DR. HILSENBECK, LET'S DEAL
WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. >> I AM.
THIS IS THIS ITEM. >> I DON'T --
>> I KNOW YOU HAVE AN URGENT NEAR TO ATTEND TO BUT THESE ARE SERIOUS QUESTIONS. AND I THINK I SHOULD BE ALLOWED
TO ASK THEM. >> DR. HILSENBECK, FLORIDA LAW ALLOWS FOR FLORIDA KOPF AMOUNTED AND THIS IS THE PROCESS WE'RE GOING THROUGH. WE CAN ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT BUT WE CAN ANSWER THE DRI AND PUD QUESTIONS WHEN WE COME BACK FOR HEARINGS ON
THOSE. >> WELL, I DO HAVE MORE QUESTIONS BUT IT SEEMS THAT I'M BEING REINED IN HERE SWHA AND I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME STATEMENTS AT THE END AFTER PUB COMET AND INCLUDING ON COMP PN PROISES KNOW YOU'LL LOOK FORWARD
TO THAT. >> I ALWAYS ENJOY TALKING TO YU. YOU KNOW THAT.
>> WE ENJOY TALKING TO EACH OTHER.
I HAVE ONE FINAL QUICK QUESTION.
THERE'S TWO FIGURES IN THE PROPOSAL IN ALL YOUR APPLICATION MATERIALS ON NUMBER OF ACRES OF WETLANDS TO BE PRESERVED.
ONE SAYS 589 REARKS. ANOTHER SAYS 679.
I JUST WONDERED WHICH WAS CORRECT.
>> I WILL LOOK AT THAT DETAIL. THAT'S OUR -- THAT IS ALSO IN THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER, SO LET ME GO AND GRAB THAT DOCUMENT AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> IT'S A MINOR QUESTION. REALLY MINOR.
YOU DO NOT NEED TO DO THAT. BUT THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. SO AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. I ASSUME WE HAVE PUBLIC
>> WE ARE -- I'M GOING TO TAKE MY LEAVE AT THIS POINT AND MS. PERKINS IS GOING TO TAKE OVER AS THE CHAIR AND DR. HILSENBECK IS GOING TO TAKE OVER AS THE VICE CHAIR.
>> SO WE'RE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PART OF THE HEARING.
THE FIRST PERSON FOR THIS ITEM IS TROY JAMES.
AND WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP, MAKE SURE YOU'RE SPEAKING INTO THE MICROPHONE, AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD,
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PLEASE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.I LIVE ANOTHER 6525 COLLIER ROAD, THE END OF THE COLLIER ROAD EXCEPT FOR WHERE PARCEL 40 STARTS OFF.
SO WHAT I SEE IS IT KIND OF DESTROYING I. OUR COMMUNITY RURAL AREA. I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1999, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC BUT I'VE SEEN THE TRAFFIC ISSUES SINCE THEN.
LSZ, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PARCEL C HAVING SO MANY HOUSES ON IT AND FLOODING INTO WETLANDS WHICH IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO DESTROY TO TRY TO BUILD HOUSES. I HAVEN'T BEEN CONTACTED FOR A BUFFER AREA. I DID GO TO THE LAST MEETING.
IN THE LAST MEETING I SAW THAT THEY HAD LIKE ON STATE ROAD 13 THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HORSE FARMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND I SEE THAT THEY'VE DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF LOTS THERE AND STUFF. SO I SPENT TIME IN THE NAVY.
STILL AM SERVING FOR THE GOVERNMENT.
AND I LOVE THE OUTDOORS. I DOUGH FISHING CHART EXPERKS I APPRECIATE THE ENVIRONMENT -- CHARTERS AND I APPRECIATE THE ENVIRONMENT WHERE I BOUGHT AND IT WAS HOPING TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE.
>> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS SONIA YOUNG.
BRENDA GRIFFEY. AND IF YOU WILL PLEASE STATE YOUR STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> MY NAME IS PRAIND LIVE AT 7131 SECOND STREET AND WE HAVE A 5-ACRE PARCEL THAT ABUTS 40, THE PARCEL 40 OF THEIRS P.
NOW, THE THING IS THERE'S A PERPETUAL EASEMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TWO 5 ACRES PARCELS HA WAS DIVIDED OUT OF 20 AND A PERPETUAL EASEMENT WATS GIVEN TO ALL FOUR PARCELS, MINE BEING ONE AND MY FOOSH'S BEING TWO AND HIS TOO.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS REZONING DOES HE DOESN'T OWN THAT PERPETUAL EASEMENT. I. NO ONE'S CONTACTED US.
WE TALKED AT THE PUBLIC MEETING, HOW THE THEY WERE GOING TO HANDLE THIS EASEMENT THAT ONCE THROUGH HIS TWO 5-ACRE PARCELS THAT HE HAS FOR REZONING, AND IT RUNS DOWN THE MIDDLE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT IS TO BE HANDLED, AND HIT THE SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE HOW IS HE GOING TO HAVE AN EASEMENT SPLITTING HIS 5-ACRE PARCEL AWAY FROM THE REST OF HIS 40 OR HIS PARCEL OF LAND? SO I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE STRESSED.
NEXT SPEAKER TRACY CONSADINE. AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. THANK YOU.
>> I'M TRACY CONS A DINE 6700 COL YES, SIR ROAD.
IS THIS OPERATIONAL HERE? >> IT IS.
>> FIRST OF ALL I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE BOARD FOR LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY. THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC, AND YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY HIT ALL THE MAJOR POINTS. THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THIS IS UNLIMELY AND IT'S TOO DENSE. IT'S NOT NECESSARY RIGHT NOW CONSIDERING ALL THE ENTITLED HOUSES THEY HAVE IN SILVERLEAF.
THERE'S BEEN INADEQUATE NOTICE ISSUES.
THE PEOPLE ON COLLIER ROAD, BY THE WAY, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE HAVE NO IDEA THIS IS GOING ON. AND I GUESS THEY'RE JUST A LITTLE MORE THAN 300 FEET AWAY. SO -- BECAUSE IN TALKING TO NEIGHBORS, THEY HAD NO IDEA THAT THIS WAS EVEN GOING ON.
THE COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE THIS ON THEIR DEVELOPMENT TRACKER UNTIL AUK 31ST AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE WORD OUT AND TELL PEOPLE BUT NOBODY KNOWS. AND TO COMPLICATE MATTERS, THE MAP THAT WAS SHOWN TO THE COMMUNITY, IT SHOWS THE EQUESTRIAN LOTS ALONG STATE ROAD 13.
LET ME SEE IF I WANT GET THAT UP FOR YOU.
ANYWAYS, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
APPARENTLY THEY'VE AMENDED THE APPLICATION SO THAT THE WESTERN LOTS WHICH ARE SHOWN ON THE BOTTOM ARE GOING TO STAY APPROXIMATELY 3 ACRES EACH, BUT THE ONES UP ABOVE, THEY'RE GOING TO DOUBLE THE DENSITY THERE FROM WHAT THEY REPRESENTED AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING BECAUSE AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING WHEN WE SAW THIS, EVERYBODY WAS DELIGHTED AND SAID 1 THAT'S PERFECT FOR THE HISTORIC BARTRAM TRAIL AND BY WITH A, WANNA BAT YELLOW WANTED TO BE HERE TODAY AND HE COULDN'T BECAUSE HIS WIFE HAS COVID SYMPTOMS, AND HE WANTS YOU TO KNOW THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION
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OF THIS. WE ARE IN TRAFFIC HELLO RIGHT NOW. YOU CANNOT GET THROUGH IF INTERSECTION OF STATE ROAD 16 AND 13 WITH THE HERITAGE LANDING TRAFFIC. AND IF ALLOWED TO DEVELOP IMMEDIATELY IT WOULD DUMP APPROXIMATELY 400 TO 500 CARS ONTO STATE ROAD 13. AND MAKING MATTERS WORSE IF YOU CONNECT THIS ROAD TO THAT THEY WANT TO CONNECT WITH, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THINGS EVEN WORSE.THE CONNECTION ROAD. BECAUSE A GRAVITY MODEL WOULD SHOW YOU THE TRAFFIC FROM PARCEL 40 SHOULD FLOW NORTH UP TO THE PARKWAY, AND THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO, TO THE DIVIDED FOUR-LANE. BUT IT SHOULDN'T GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH SO THAT THE EQUESTRIAN LOTS DOWN MERE 13 WOULD GO DOWN TO 13, AND THEN THE PARCEL 40 LOTS WOULD GO NORTH.
BUT IT'S UNFATHOMABLE TO MAKE PARCEL 40C DENIES PI.
SILVERLEAF IS NOT GOING TO STOP HERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP ACQUIRING MORE AND MORE PROPERTIES.
THEY'RE GOING TO WANT C DENSITY THROUGH THE ENTIRE CENTER PART OF THE COUNTY, AND THAT'S JUST NOT APPROPRIATE.
I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT C DENSITY LOOKS LIKE.
THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING IN SILVERLEAF RIGHT NOW, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M ALMOST OUT OF TIME.
>> YOU ARE OUT OF TIME. >> BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR LISTENING TO US. IT'S LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT.
WE ONLY HAVE TWO LANE ROADS ALL AROUND US.
MY WIFE IS A PHYSICIAN. SHE WILL TELL YOU IF YOU HAVE A HEART ATTACK ON STATE ROAD 13 IN THE MORNING IN ORANGE DALE, YOU'RE DONE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GETTING TO THE HOSPITAL ON TIME. IT IS ENTIRELY GRIDLOCKED.
>> YOU NEED TO WRAP IT UP. >> WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR HELP AND THIS SHOULD BE DENIED JUST BASED UPON THE DENSITY AND THE
LACK OF -- >> SIR, YOUR TIME IS UP.
>> AND NOBODY HAS REACHED OUT TO ME AND WE HAVE 60 ACRES.
>> SIR, COULD YOU PLEASE SIT DOWN.
THANK YOU. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS JOE MCNEARNE MCNEARNEY. PLEASE STAWMEDZ FOR THE E YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THANK YOU.
>> IF I CAN GET THAT UP ON THE SCREEN.
AND THIS IS WHAT YOU JUST SAW FROM MR. CONSADIN HERB MY NAME IS JOE MCANARNEY I LIVE AT 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE IN ST. JOHN IN MR. CONSADINE SAID THE FIRST PART OF OF WHY I AM HERE.
>> CAN YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT.
>> I HAVE TALKED TO AL ABATELLO AND FROM HIM EXPRESSINGS HIS CONCERNS PARTICULARLY WITH THE CHASING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE EQUESTRIAN PARCELS. YOU ALL PROBABLY DO KNOW THAT YEARS AGO THE COUNTY DID SPEND GOOD MONEY TO DEVELOP BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY MASTER PLAN, AND THAT MASTER PLAN DID ENCOURAGE EQUESTRIAN USES ALONG THE RIVER.
SO THIS DOES FIT THAT. AND AS MR. CONSADINE HAS SAID, THIS WHAT IS THE PLAN PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY, 101 LOTS.
NECESSITY WERE EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND SUPPORTED THAT.
THIS AREA IS NOW 195 LOTS. I DID SEND AN EMAIL WHICH YOU ALL PROBABLY DID RECEIVE A FEW DAYS AGO, IF NOT YESTERDAY, QUESTIONING THE LACK OF TIMELINESS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, AND I CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR THAT, EITHER TO DELAY A DECISION TODAY OR TO DENY A DECISION BASED ON A LACK OF TIMELINESS.
BUT CERTAINLY WHAT I HAVE ALSO HEARD TODAY IS PROPORTIONAL FAIR SHARE WAS A PART OF THE GREENBRIER-HELOW COMMUNITY GROUP PRESENTING. WEEP LEADER FROM PROPORTION AM FAIR SHARE. THERE IS SOME LOGIC THAT ID THINK NEEDS TO BE APPLIED AND, DR. HILSENBECK, IT FALLS YOU FOLLOWS UP ON THE LOGIC YOU HAVE PRESENTED AND USED.
IF A PROPORTIONAL FAIR SHARE PACED 20 PERCENT OF AN OBLIGATION AND LEAVES YOU HOLDING AN YEEGHT% OBLIGATION -- 80% OBLIGATION, IT HARDLY SEEMS LOGICAL, IF YOU WILL, TO PROVE SUCH A THING. I WOULDN'T ACQUIRE REAL ESTATE OR TAKE OUT A LOAN. I DON'T THINK BANKS WOULD DO THAT, EITHER, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THE COUNTY SHOULD AS WELL.
THE WHOLE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE IS COUNTYWIDE, AND I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY STAFF AND BOARDS ARE GOING TO BE DEALING HEAVILY WITH THIS. THERE WAS A GREAT CONCERN EXPRESSED BY THE COMMISSIONERS AT GREENBRIER-HELOW ABOUT THE COST OBLIGATIONS THAT THE COUNTY IS HOLDINGS.
AND IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT IT'S BETTER TO DELAY.
I KNOW THAT MORATORIUM IS NOT THE WORD TO USE AND NOT PERMITTED ANYWAY. BUT IN EFFECT, A DELAY GIVES THE COUNTY A CHANCE TO BETTER RESOLVE THE OVERALL COST ISSUES. BASED ON WHAT I HAVE HEARD TODAY, WE'RE HOLDING A LARGE PORTION OF THE COST OBLIGATIONS FOR THESE ROADS. WE HAVE NO OBLIGATION THEREFORE
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TO APPROVE THIS, NOR DO YOU, AND I WOULD PUT THAT OUT THERE AS SOME LOGIC TO TRY TO APPLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SEAN CAMPBELL.
PLEASE STAWNDZ FOR THE RECORD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR
THE RECORD, SIR. >> MY NAME IS SEAN CAMPBELL LEAVE IT 8 III HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD AND I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC TO ISSUES DEAL WITH. TO START WITH I HAVE AGREE TOTALLY WERE MR. CONSADINN REGARD TO RESIDENTIAL C.
THAT AREA SHOULD BE ZONED AT A MINIMUM EQUESTRIAN.
WE ABUT TO PARCEL 40 AND WE APPRECIATE THE 50-FOOT BUFFER THAT THAT'S TALKING ABOUT ON HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD BUT WE HAVE SOME WATER CONCERNS FOR THE AREA.
ONE FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT. WE HAVE A SMALL SURFACE RUNOFF CREEK THAT PARALLELS HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD AND CROSSES IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOME. AND WE ALREADY HAVE SOME -- SOME EROSION ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ON THE ROAD AS A RESULT OF WHAT THE CONTRACTOR HAS DONE ON HIS PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT ABUTS US. IT'S ON SCHEDULE -- OR OH PARCEL 40. AND THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE IS WITH WATER SUPPLY. WE ARE ALL ON AS WELL AS IN THAT AREA, AS YOU CAN WELL IMAGINE, AND ANY MORE PRESSURE ON THE WATER TABLE AS IT IS WILL AFFECT OUR WATER PRESSURE AND OUR WELL HEAD PRESSURE. THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY TWO ISSUES I HAVE AT THIS POINT. THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE COMING. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER MYRA GASKINS.
SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS MYRA GASKINS.
I HAVE LEAVE IT 8225 HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD.
SEAN COVERED THE EROSION IMPACT THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS ME NOW AND WE KEEP TRYING TO FIXED OUR LITTLE DRIVE AND CONTINUE TO HAVE ISSUES. I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT WE ALL BE INVITED TO A COMMUNITY MEETING BECAUSE WE WERE NOT AWARE OF IT ON HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD AND WE WOULD WELCOME THAT INVITATION FOR ANY PLANNING. WE RECOGNIZE THAT CHANGE IS COMING. WE WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT CHANGE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
AND LETTERS I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND -- ALSO I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT HARDWOOD LANDING WILL REMAIN A DEAD END ROAD, THAT IT O. WILL NOT BE A PART OF OPENING UP TO COLLIER AND CROSSING OVER TO STATE ROAD 13. WE HAVE TWO HARD CURVES IN THAT ROAD ALREADY THAT ARE DANGEROUS WITH OUR EXISTING 25-MILE-PER-HOUR DRIVING LIMIT. AND IT'S RURAL.
WE HAVE CHILDREN THAT PLAY IN THE STREETS STILL AND WE LIKE THAT. SO I JUST HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND ALSO FIRE AND RESCUE.
WE ALL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CONTINUES TO BE THE QUALITY
SERVICE THAT WE HAVE NOW. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT SPEAKER DWAYNE MACK.
NAME AND DRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR.
>> >> GAIN MACK, 8281 HOOFERRED LANDING ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE. MY COMPLAINT ABOUT ALL THIS IS JUST A FEW YEARS AGO WE WERE ALMOST DEFERLD EVER DEVELOPED AND MS. CINDY SEVERSON CAME TO OUR RESCUE, HELPED US OUT WITH SOMEONE WHO WAS GOING TO DEVELOP THE AREA, AND SHE SAID ACTUALLY AS ONE OF IT'S ONE OF THE LT PRISTINE AREAS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. HE HATED SEE IT DEVELOPED AND SO DO. I LIKE EVERYONE ELSE SAID, THE WATER RUNOFF ISSUES, OPEN THE ROAD THROUGH COLLIER ROAD WOULD BE A DISASTER. THE BIESM NO ONE'S MENTIONED THE WILDLIFE. WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL WILDLIFE AND IT'S BEING RUN OFF ALREADY. BESIDES, JUST CRS CROOS THE ROAD ON 16A THEY'VE GOT 10,000 HOMES TO BUILD.
THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN NOWHERE NEAR THAT YET.
HOW ABOUT COMPLETE ONE THING BEFORE YOU START ANOTHER? YOU CAN CONFISCATE ALL THE PROPERTY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
WE JUST WANT TO LIVE? ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND HAVE A REALLY NICE LIFE OUT IN THE COUNTRY.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT TO ME.
AND I WAS HOPING YOU GUYS WOULD TAKE ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THERE'S VERY FEW PLACES LEFT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT'S REALLY REMOTE AND PRETTY, AND WE HAVE ONE OF THEM, AND IT'S HARDWOOD LANDING AREA THROUGH COLLIER ROAD AREA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. THAT IS THE LAST SPEAKER CARD THAT I HAVE FOR THIS ITEM. PERHAPS THERE'S SOMEONE THAT CAILD TO FILL OUT A CARD THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, AND IF YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SPEAK, YOU NEED TO GET THAT CARD FILLED OUT,
PLEASE. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC
SPEAKERS? >> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE
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RECORD. >> AND PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD
AFTERWARDS. >> I GAVE MY CARD TO THAT LADY SITTING RIGHT THERE AT THE END OF THE COUNTER.
GO AHEAD. >> MY NAME IS DARRELL BASS FORWARD I LAFAYETTE 8271 HARDWOOD LANDING.
I ALSO -- FIRST I'D LIKE TO ASK Y'ALL TO VOTE NO.
I'D LIKE TO BE INVITED TO PUBLIC MEETING.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO MS. ARRIVE MS. AVERY-SMITH CAULKED TO A HARDWOOD LANDING. I DO NOT DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT A MEETING. THE FIRST I KNEW OF ANY OF THIS WAS WHEN A REZONING SIGN WENT UP ON HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ISSUES.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE COSTS THAT ARE BEING PASSED ON TO THE TAXPAYERS OF THE COUNTY. WE'RE HERE TO TBAWNG TALK ABOUT SILVER PLEACH YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED RIVER TOWN.
YOU ALREADY APPROVED -- SORRY, I YARNELL THE NAME OF THE OTHER ONE. BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE OTHER ONE BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF HOWNS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
WHEN THEY SAY THAT THERE'S A DEMAND FOR HOUSING, WHY DON'T WE CONCENTRATE -- ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE BUT THEY DON'T WORK HERE. WE'RE JUST A SUBURB OF JACKSONVILLE NOW. I MOVED OUT JACKSONVILLE IN TO GET AWAY FROM JACKSONVILLE. WE'RE GOING TO BE A SUBURB LIKE ALL THE SUBURBS OF ATLANTA. JACKSONVILLE IS GOING TO SPREAD 70 MILES EACH DIRECTION. EVERYBODY'S GOING TO GO TO JACKSONVILLE AND THEN COME HERE TO LIVE.
AND WE'RE DESTROYING THE ENVIRONMENT DOWN HERE.
I MOVED DOWN HERE TO LIVE ON TROUT CREEK, END CRYOTHE WILDLIFE, ENJOY THE NATURE -- ENJOY THE WILDLIFE AND NATURE AND I'M WATCHING IT DISAPPEAR EVERY DAY, NOT THE WILDLIFE BECAUSE IT'S RUNNING THROUGH MY PROPERTY TO GET WREA FROM THEIR BUILDING DIDN'T AWAY FROM THEIR BUILDING.
SO I WENT TO A PUBLIC MEETING ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO AND HAD ENGLAND, TIMMONS & MILLER TELL ME IT WAS GOING TO TAKE 20 YEARS TO BUILD OUT. I GUESS THEY FIGURE I'LL BE DEAD BY THEN SO IT WON'T BOTHER ME. WHY ARE WE PROVING IT NOW? I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL THESE PROCESSES WORK BUT WHY DO WE KEEP GIVING THEM ADDITIONS TO WHAT THEY HAVE INSTEAD OF MAKING THEM START FROM SCRATCH AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS? THAT'S WHAT THEY DID AT THE CORNER OF 16A AND -- WELL, IT'S 16A AND 210 AND LONGLEAF ALL INTERSECT TOGETHER, AND THEY BUILT A SUBDIVISION THERE THAT'S NOT EVEN CALLED SILVERLEAF BUT IT'S A SILVERLEAF ADDITION. SO THEY'RE BUILDING IT NOW.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE KEEP GIVING THEM ADDITIONS HAD TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEM INSTEAD OF MAKING THEM START FROM SCRATCH AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.
ANYWAY, NIGH I AM MY TIME'S UP. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. THIS IS THE LAST CALL FOR ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS, AND IF THERE ARE ANY SPEAKERS, YOU EVER TO FILL OAT A SPEAKER CARD. AND I CAN NOT FIND YOUR CARD, SIR. SHE'S COMING TO GIVE YOU ONE.
SO ELLEN AVERY-SMITH TO ANSWER AND REBUT THE QUESTIONS, THOSE
COMMENTS. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE OVERHEAD AND THEN WE'LL WORK THROUGH WITH THE POWERPOINT JUST TO GIVE MORE INFORMATION. FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS THE COMMUNITY MEETING NOTICE THAT WAS BAILED OUT ACCORDING TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENT, AND IT SHOWS ALL OF THE SILVERLEAF, AND IT GIVES THE DESCRIPTION OF BOTH THE DRI CHANGES AND THE COMP PLAN CHANGES.
THIS WAS LEGALLY MAILED OUT ACCORDING TO A LIST THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS IS A COPY OF THE PROOF OF PUBLICATION FROM THE ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD SHOWING THAT WE ADD QUALGT PUBLISHED NOTICE TO THE COMMUNITY -- ADEQUATELY PUBLISHED NOTICE TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
WE ALSO PLACED SIGNS OUT ON THE PROPERTY SO WE FOLLOWED ALL THE REGULATIONS WITH RESPECT TO COMMUNITY MEETING NOTICE, JUST FOR THE RECORD.
OKAY. GOING BACK TO THE POWERPOINT, I WANT TO START WITH THE FOLKS ON HARDWOOD HARDWOOD LAND NGDD BECAUSE I HAVE SPOKEN, AND PART OF THE REASON THAT WE MADE -- SORRY, I'VE GOT CLICK. HOLD ON UNTIL I GET TO THE CORRECT SLIDE. SO WITH RESPECT TO THE FOLKS ON HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD 1 I WANT TO GO TO THIS FOR YOU REALLY
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QUICKLY, SO AFTER THE COMMUNITY MEETING WHICH WAS ON JULY 28TH, SOME OF THE FOLKS ON HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD CALLED ME AND THEY EITHER TALKED NEE OR TALKED TO MR. HUDSON, AND WE ADDED TO THIS TEXTED POLICY THE FACT THAT LOTS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT EDGES WITHIN PARCEL 40, SO -- LET ME BACK UP EVEN MORE. PARCEL 40 BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS TO HAVE A 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE AROUND ITS ENTIRE PERIMETER. THAT'S PURSUANT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THEN WE ADDED THAT LOTS ADJACENT TO THAT DEVELOPMENT EDGE AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF PARCEL 40 WILL BE A MINIMUM OF ONE-HALF ACRE IN SIZE.THEN, AFTER SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE ALONG HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD WOOB WE PUT IN THAT LOTS WITHIN PARCEL 40 THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THESE PARCEL ID NUMBERS, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THAT'S LOCATED, THAT ARE GREANTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 100 FEET WIDE AND 200 FEET DEEP AND WILL ALSO HAVE THE 15 FEET OF VEGETATIVE BUFFER, IF YOU WILL, ADJACENT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT EDGE.
SO THIS IS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
HERE'S HARDWOOD LANDING. AND YOU SEE -- I DON'T KNOW THE NAMES OF THESE CROSS STREETS, BUT SEE HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD.
YOU SEE THIS WETLAND SYSTEM, PONDS.
YOU SEE THE ROAD COMING ALONG IN HERE.
AND YOU SEE AGAIN THE 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE AND THE 15-FOOT BUFFER AND THE LARGER LOTS. SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO LIVE ON HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD, THAT'S THE DISCUSSION WE HAD WITH CERTAIN -- WITH CERTAIN OF YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND THIS IS WHAT WE WERE OFFERING TO TRY TO MAKE YOUR LOTS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THIS AREA OF SILVERLEAF.
SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT BY WAY OF EXPLANATION TO THOSE FOLKS. AND THEN I WANT TO HAVE MR. METCALF COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE PERPETUAL EASEMENT.
AND THEN HAVE MR. WAFER TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT WITH RESPECT TO THE PARCELS 41 -- THE EQUESTRIAN LOTS, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE TEXT POLICY AND THE TEXT POLICY, WE HAD A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WE TOLD PEOPLE AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING WAS A CONCEPT PLAN.
THIS IS THE TEXT POLICY THAT GOVERNS THOSE DENSITIES IN THE EQUESTRIAN LOTS, AND THAT'S BEEN IN THE PUBLIC RECORD, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THE GENTLEMEN WHO SPOKE HAVE GOTTEN COPIES OF PUBLIC RECORD, SO THEY'VE BEEN ON NOTICE FOR SOME TIME THAT THIS IS WHAT THE PROPOSAL WAS.
DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT -- WHERE DID MR. METCALF GO? AND THEN MR. W ACRES S. WE'VE WILL TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT RESPECT TO THAT AREA ALONG HARDWOOD
LANDING ROAD. >> I'M NOT SURE I GAVE YOU MY DRESS BEHALF. I'M JOHN METCALF 7479.
BY THE WAY, I GO THROUGH THE INTERSECTION --
>> CAN WE STITCH. >> -- STATE ROAD 13 AND 16 EVERY DAY, AT LEAST TWICE A DAY. I CAN'T FIND IN MY NOTES THE NAME OF THE PERSON THAT RAISED THIS ISSUE, BUT THERE WAS A PERSON THAT SAID THAT WE HAVE TWO 5-ACRE LOTS THAT ARE SPLIT BY AN EASEMENT, AND THAT'S ACCURATE.
ON THIS -- ON THE OVERHEAD THERE THE 10-ACRE PARK, IT DOESN'T SHOW THE EASEMENT, BUT THERE IS A QUITE ANCIENT EASEMENT THAT GOES DOWN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT.
THIS PROPOSES A PASSIVE PARK, SO WE'RE NOT -- YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY PROPOSING TO PUT HOUSES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON IT.
THERE THERE'S AN EASEMENT ON THERE GOING DOWN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OR NOT, WHETHE WE IDENTITY OR OWN IT OR NOTE TWO 5-ACRE LOTS THAT WE OWN ARE THERE BE BEING PROPOSED AS A PASSIVE PARK. THEY HAVE GIANT OAK TREES, REAL PRETTY, REAL NICE AREA. IS THAT IT?
>> YES. AND I THINK THAT WE CAN TALK AFTER THE MEETING. I THINK THAT THE ONLY -- I WANTED BRAD TO COME UP, PLEASE, AND TALK ABOUT THE DRAINAGE RAISED BY THE PEOPLE ALONG HARDWOOD LANDING ROAD.
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>> HELLO. I'M BRAD WE'VE WITHENING LEFT HAND, TIMMS AND INITIAL 1 MR. 775 OLD STRAWGHT.
I'VE BEEN WORNLG ON THE SILVER LEAFL PROJECT FOR 15 YEARS AND ONE OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES THE STORM WATER SYSTEM FOR THE EXISTING AND IT WOULD ALSO BE ANY ADDED AREAS.
IN NEW NEIGHBORHOODS WE HAVE A LOT OF STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS TO MEET WHEN IT COMES TO STORM WATER FOR BOTH TREATMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL POLLUTANTS BUT LETTERS ATTENUATING STORM WATER QUANTITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO ADVERSE EFFECTS BOTH ON THE DEVELOPMENT SITE OR CERTAINLY OFF-SITE.
THOSE REQUIREMENTS COME FROM BOTH THE STNL WATER RIVER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY AS WELL.
SO BY MEETING THOSE STANDARDS WE MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ON-SITE FLOODING AND CERTAINLY NOT OFF-SITE FLOODING.
THERE'S PRE-DEVELOPMENT AND POST DEVELOPMENT REDUCTION REQUIREMENTS THAT WE MEET TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SPEAK DISCHARGE RELEASED OFF-SITE INTO STREAMS AND CREEKS IS ACTUALLY AT THE VERY LEAST KEPT THE SAME BUT VERY FREQUENTLY SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED, SO I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT DUE HAD TO THOSE RULES THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ADVERSE DRAINAGE OR FLOODING FEKSZ OR EMOTION EFFECTS OFF-SITE.
-- THE RULERS WHAT MAKE THE NEW NEIGHBORHOODS SO NOT PRONE TO THOSE PROBLEMS. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU DO SEE THEM IN SOME OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS.
>> THANK YOU. >> SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU AGENCY MEMBER WITNESS IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF OUR TEAM, PLEASE LET US KNOW, AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON AND THAT OF THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
>> ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT SAID, WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, DR. HILSENBECK.
>> WELL, IF SOMEBODY HAS SOME ACTUAL QUESTIONS, I HAVE A SERIES OF STATEMENTS THAT I SAID I WAS GOING TO MAKE, BUT IF SOMEBODY HAS QUESTIONS, WHY DON'T THEY GO AHEAD FIRST.
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE QUESTIONS PER SE, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THAT SILVERLEAF TO ME ANYWAY HAS BEEN A VERY RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPER, AND IT'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB.
BUT GIVEN THE DEFICIENCY IN THE ROADWAY SYSTEM, THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT WE ALL EXPERIENCE COUNTYWIDE, AND THE BACKLOG OF HOMES THAT ARE CURRENTLY EITHER APPROVED OR READY TO BE APPROVED, IT STRIKES ME THAT THIS IS JUST PREMATURE AT THIS TIME TO APPROVE THIS, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
>> OKAY. AS I'VE SAID UP HERE MANY TIMES, I'M VERY CONCERNED WHEN THE COUNTY CHANGES RURAL SILVICULTURE AND AI ZONING TO SOMETHING ELSE SUCH AS RESIDENTIAL-A, RESIDENTIAL C AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT'S ON 2400 ACRES.
AS YOU WILL NOTE IN THE COMP PLAN POLICY A.1.2.7 IT STATES RIGHT IN THERE AT THE BEGINNING, "AREAS DESIGNATED RURAL SILVICULTURE AND AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE ARE NOT DEVELOPMENT AREAS." BUT THEN IT GOES ON WITH SOME QUALIFIERS, BUT THAT IS A STATEMENT RIGHT THERE IN THE COMP PLAN. SO I DO BELIEVE THE COUNTY WHEN THE INFORMATION I HAVE RECEIVED FROM COUNTY STAFF SAYS THAT THERE ARE SOMEWHERE AROUND 60,000, AND I HAVEN'T REQUESTED THIS IN ABOUT THREE MONTHS, SO IT MAY BE HIGHER, I DON'T KNOW, BUT 60,000 APPROVED AND PLATTD LOTS.
THAT'S NOT BUILT HOUSES BUT THAT'S APPROVED AND PLATTED LOTS SO THERE'S NOT THAT BIG OF A STEP TO THE NEXT LEVEL BUT I THINK RAILROAD IN THE COUNTY BE WITH COUNTYWIDE THAT MANY I'M VERY CONCERNED AS MR. PETER SAID ABOUT THE DENSITY HERE.
I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S AN URGENT NEED FOR THIS AMOUNT OF HOUSING AT THE PRESENT TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE DO AN QUHEK ECONOMIC NEEDS AD IMPACT ASSESSMENT AT SOME POINT IN THIS COUNTY. THAT SHOULD BE THE JOIVET PZA WORKING WITH THE COUNTY STAFF. BUT HAVING THAT ECONOMIC NEEDS AND IMPACT ASSESSMENT IN THE COUNTY WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD THING TO GIVE SOME GUIDANCE, SOME SUGGESTIONS UP TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP THAT'S SLATED FOR OCTOBER, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE, BUT I
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SHOULD, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD START TOWARD THAT.BUT CONCERNING THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS, I HAVE HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE IN MY LIFE OF KNOWING TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE CONSIDERED THE FATHERS OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT ACT IN FLORIDA, AND THAT'S JOHN DEGROVE, FORMER PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA LAW SCHOOL, AND BOB RHODES WHO ACTUALLY WORKED FOR ST. JOE. HE WAS THE GENERAL COUNCIL HAVE ST. JOE BUT HE DID SOME OTHER THINGS IN THE MEANTIME.
BUT I KNEW BOTH OF THEM PERSONALLY.
THEY WERE ON I. OUR BOARD AT MY LAST PAYING JOB.
AND THEY THEY WROTE WHAT WAS WIDELY PRAISED ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AS A VERY FORWARD LOOKING GROWTH MANAGEMENT AGENT FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND I CAN NOT FIND THIS FIGURE ANYWHERE.
I'VE GOOGLED IT, I'VE DONE AN INTENSIVE SEARCH.
WISH SOMEBODY WOULD HELP ME OUT ON THIS BUT I'M GOING THROW THIS FIGURE OUT ANYWAY. BACK IN THE MID-90S THAT GROWTH MANAGEMENT ACT WAS IN THE EARLY 90S BSZ, BUT IN THE MIDDLE 90S IT WAS WIDELY STATED ACROSS FLORIDA THAT IF THE WAMP PLANS FOR ALL 67 COUNTIES WERE ALLOWED TO BE BUILT OUT, THAT THERE WOULD BE 93 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. SO I DON'T PERSONALLY THINK FLORIDA CAN HANDLE 93 MILLION PEOPLE, AND THAT WAS BEFORE -- I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 20, 25 YEARS AGO THIS FIGURE WAS OUT THERE, 93 MILLION PEOPLE. SO NOW, AFTER COUNTLESS, MAYBE HUNDREDS OF COMP PLANAO CONTRACTS FLORIDA AND MAYBE JUST THIS BOARD THIS YEAR AMENDMENTS IN AND THIS BOARD WE'VE PROBABLY APPROVE FIVE OR TEN. I DON'T KNOW NUMBER.
IT MIGHT BE FIVE, MIGHT BE SEVEN.
BUT WE'VE APPROVED THIS THESE. SO WERE ALL THESE APPROVALS OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS HOW THE HOW MANY PEOPLE IS THAT GROWING DO ALLOW INTO FLORIDA? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER BUT I WISH SOMEBODY WOULD COME UP WITH THAT FIGURE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THE WATER FOR THAT MANY PEOPLE OR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN NEW YORK CITY. THAT'S WHY I LIVE HERE.
>> DR. HILSENBECK, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS RELATED TO
THIS? >> I HAVE SUMMARY COMMENTS THAT I'M MAKING. YES, I DO.
SO I'M CONCERNED WHEN WE CONVERT OR PAVE OVER, ASPHALT AND ROOFTOPS, RURAL AND SILVICULTURAL AND AG INTENSIVE LANDS. I BELIEVE, I DO NOT WANT THIS NATION OR THIS STATE TO BE DEPENDENT ON FOREIGN LUMBER OR FOREIGN-GROWN FOOD, SO PAVING THIS OVER IS GOING TO TAKE ALL THAT OUT OF PRODUCTION. I KNOW IT CREATES ECONOMIC BENEFITS IN OTHER WAYS. I AM CERTAINLY AWARE OF THAT.
BUT YOU CAN'T REPLACE THOSE TYPE OF LAND, AGRICULTURAL LANDS ONCE THEY'RE GONE. SO AS A SAID, I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH DENSITY EVEN WITH THIS STEP-DOWN PROPOSAL DOWN TOWARD THE SOUTH, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
I THINK I'VE HIT ON THAT ENOUGH AND CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST.
I'M GOING TO SKIP THAT ONE. SCHOOL CONCURRENCY IS AN ISSUE FOR ME. BE YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE MY BASIC THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS, AND I JUST -- I PERSONALLY CAN'T SUPPORT THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME. I JUST CAN'T SEE MY WAY CLEAR TO DO IT. THANK YOU.
>> HOPEFULLY TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.
DR. HILSENBECK, I APOLOGIZE. WHAT WAS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
CALLED THAT YOU RERCHTIOND? >> GROWTH MANAGEMENT ACT?
>> NO, NO, THE POLICY IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
>> IT WAS POLICY A.1.2.7. AND IT STATES RIGHT IN THERE, AREAS DESIGNATED RURAL SILVICULTURE AND AI, AG INTENSIVE, ARE NOT DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
PLUS THERE ARE ALSO OTHER STATEMENTS IN THERE, AND I HAD A BUNCH OTHER THINGS HERE BUT IN THE INTERESTS OF TIME I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM, BUT I HAD OTHER QUOMENTS AND POINTS TO MAKE -- COMMENTS AND POINTS TO MAKE.
>> WHAT DOES THE LAST SENTENCE THAT POLICY STATE?
>> I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF CAVEATS IF THERE'S ECONOMIC GROWTH, ET CETERA, THEN THAT -- THOSE GO AWAY, SO I DO KNOW THAT
AND I HAD STATED THAT. >> AND I HAVE HAVE AND I'VE GOT ONE GORE MS. SMITH I'M GOING DO READ AS PART OF THE RECORD.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT DEVELOPMENT AREA SHALL BE DISCOURAGED UNLESS THE APPLICANT DEMONSTRATES THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JOB REGAS CREATION, PRESERVATION OF THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND OTHER PUBLIC BENEFIT.
JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR. MS. SMITH, MR. PETER ASKED ABOUT
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DEFICIENT ROAD LINKS. SINCE THE CHAPTER 163 IN 2011, CAN THE COUNTY COMR IN DISIEFDING OH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE ANALYSIS OF EXISTING DEFICIENTINTERPRETATION OF THE LAW. >> SO ALL YOU CAN DO IS MITIGATE
FOR THE IMPACT THAT YOU HAVE. >> THAT'S CORRECT.
AND ALSO, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE PROPOSING $42 MILLION WORTH OF ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE EXISTING CONE JETION ON EXISTING ROADS -- CONGESTION ON EXISTING ROADS THAT WERE NOTED BY RESIDENTS, AND I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT IN RESPONSES PO MR. PETER'S COMMENT, THE PARTICULAR REASON WE PUT THE TEXTED POLICY IN FOR PARCEL 40 IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T DEVELOPNEAUX UNTIL THE EARLIER OF THE OUTER BELTWAY COMING THROUGH OR 2030, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST.
AND ONE FOLLOW-UP WIRE TO PERSISTENT 11 LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION USED TO MAKE PEOPLE CAUSE FOR DEFICIENT ROAD LINKS EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T CAUSE THAT DEFICIENCY, CORRECT?
>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE AGENCY MEMBERS? SEEING NONE, I'D REQUEST FOR A I'D ASK FOR A MOTION. SOMEONE PLEASE OFFER A MOTION.
MR. MILLER. >> FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY, BECAUSE PRIOR WE HAVE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS.
NOW IS ACTUALLY FOR DISCUSSION WITHIN THE AGENCY.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE BE WITH RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR TRANSMIMENT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2021-10 SILVERLEAF DRI BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
DISOA. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> I SECOND. >> MR. PETER WITH THE SECOND.
GO AHEAD. ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS? SEEING NO DISCUSSION, THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE AND THAT MOTION FAILS. IS THAT CORRECT, MS. CHRISTINE? WHAT POSTURE DOES THAT PUT US IN?
>> SEEING AS YOU ARE SPLIT EVENLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT A SECOND MOTION WOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT, SO IT WOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PZA.
FORT PUBLIC, THAT AGENDA ITEM WILL THEN BE HEARD BY THE BCC.
IT WILL STILL GO ON TO THE BCC. >> WHAT'S THE DATE ON THAT?
>> THE BCC WOULD BE -- MS. BISHOP, DO YOU KNOW?
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>> OCTOBER 19TH. >> SO THE NEXT TIME IT WILL BE HEARD, IT WILL BE HEARD IN FRONT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON OCTOBER 19TH.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? SO WITH THAT SAID, WE'RE GOING
TO MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER >> THE PRESIDENT OF PREMIER
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COMMUNICATIONS GROUP. >> CAN YOU SPEAK UP JUST A
LITTLE BIT LOUDER. >> I'VE COME TO ASK FOR REZONE A RESIDENTIAL LOT. IT'S LOT 35, LOCATED BETWEEN 256 AND 260 STATE ROAD 16. IT'S RIGHT HERE, ON THIS AERIAL
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MAP IT'S IN PURPLE. WE PURCHASED THE LOTS 1 AND 2 IN JANUARY, AND THIS LOT IS BESIDE IT AND LOTS 1 AND 2 ARE COMMERCIAL NOW AND THEY HAVE THE OFFICE BUILDING TO THEM, AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS RELOCATE OUR OFFICE AND TURN THIS INTO COMMERCIAL AS WELL SO THAT WE CAN SECURE IT AND EVENTUALLY BUILD STORAGE BUILDINGS OFF THE EXISTING OFFICES THERE NOW.EVERYTHING AROUND IT YOU CAN SEE IS CURRENTLY COMMERCIAL.
THERE'S VANCE AUTO PARTS ON THE CORNER.
THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE STREET FOR US.
THAT'S THE BUILDING THAT WE PURCHASED.
THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET IS COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
WE JUST TRIED TO SHOW SOME VIEWS TO THE WEST VIEWS, EAST VIEWS.
THIS IS ADJACENT TO IT. THERE'S A ROAD IN BETWEENELL RAY AVENUE. -- BETWEEN EL RAY AVENUE.
THE BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET IS A SCHOOL.
ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES ACROSS THE STREET.
WE -- IT'S NOT TOO MUCH TO IT. WE JUST WANT TO BASICALLY -- IT'S RESIDENTIAL NOW AND WE WANT TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN GET IT CHANGED TO COMMERCIAL SO WE CANES ENCLOSE IT IN AND EVENTUALLY BUILD SOME STORAGE ON IT.
>> ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. BEFORE THAT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE
ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION? >> I DROVE BY YESTERDAY.
DR. HILSENBECK, GO AHEAD. >> WELL, THANK YOU FOR STATING WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IN YOUR APPLICATION I JUST COULDN'T MIND WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO WITH IT, SO I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THAT QUESTION ON WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS PREMIER COMMUNICATIONS IS IN.
I ASSUME IT'S COMMUNICATIONS, BUT --
>> YES, SIR. >> I WAS HOPING YOU WEREN'T PLANNING TO PUT A CELLTORY TOWER.
>> NO, SIR. WE'RE AN ELECTRICAL AND
TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANY. >> ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S IT. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM AGENCY MEMBERS? SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC
COMMENT? >> NONE ABOUT WE'LL CLOSE THE UBLIC HEARING. WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR A MOTION.
MR. PETER. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESIDENTIAL 2021-08 PREMIER COMMUNICATIONS GROUP, REQUEST FOR REZONE APPROXIMATELY .09 ACRES OF LAND FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFICALLY LOCATED BETWEEN 256
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AND 260 STATE ROAD 16 BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT ASPROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY MR. PETER AND A SECOND BY DRB HILSENBECK. GO AHEAD -- DR. HILSENBECK.
GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? EXCUSE ME. SEEING NO DISCUSSION, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE. AND THAT MOTION PASSES.
YOU'RE GOOD TO GO, SIR. WE'LL MOVE ON ITEM NUMBER 6, MR. JACOBS. CAMERON JACOBS, 5420 ATLANTIC
VIEW, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. >> YOU CAN GO AHEAD.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST SPEAKING APE LITTLE BIT LOUDER
>> YES. >> THERE'S SEVEN PARCELS HERE.
THEY'RE ALL REALLY SMALL. THEY'RE IN BUTLER BEACH ON A1A.
THEY'RE ZONED COMMERCIAL GENERAL RIGHT NOW.
THE SIX LOTS, LOTS 11, RIGHT HERE, 11, 12, THE 13, 14, 15, 16 AND THEN THIS IS AN ABANDON RIGHT-OF-WAY OF 25 FEET.
WE WANT TO CHANGE IT FROM COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO RS-3
PRETTY CUT AND DRY. >> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO
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ADD TO IT 1234 ? AND YOUR INTENT IS TO PUT A HOMERIGHT THERE OR A COUPLE HOMES? >> YES.
>> MORE THAN ONE? >> YES, PROBABLY, BECAUSE THERE IS SEVEN PARCELS, AS I SAID, AND THAT'S A HALF AN ACRE.
WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY. IS THERE ANY EX PARTE? SEEING NONE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
DR. HILSENBECK. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
I CONGRATULATE YOU ON FINDING THIS PROPERTY AND WANTING TO DO THIS AND ALL, BUT YOU HAVE THOSE EASTERNMOST LOTS, BOTH EXITING OUT ONTO A-I, AND YOU APPARENTLY LIVE ON ATLANTIC RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT SO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO ARENA OUT ONTO A1A PARTICULARLY IF IT'S A LEFT TURN, BUT DO YOU THINK YOU COULD HAVE THATY NORTHEASTERN MOST LOOT LIKE LIKE THE SOUTHERN O GO OUT ONTO RIVERSIDE AND NOT A1A? OUR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SHARED DRIVEWAY I THINK I READ.
>> THERE IS GOING TO BE A SHARED DRIVEWAY, YES.
WE COULD PROBABLY MOVE TO IT RIVERSIDE.
>> THAT'S JUST A CONCERN BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC AND TRYING TO TURN ONTO A1A, SO THAT'S A PRETTY TOUGH STRETCH RIGHT IN THERE.
>> YEAH, I HAVE LETTERS FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE ESTUARIES, AND THAT WAS THEIR CONCERN, AND THEY WOULD PREFER IT NOT TO BE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THEY THINK IT WOULD GENERATE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC IF IT WAS SOMETHING COMMERCIAL, SO I HAVE THAT LETTER. I FORGOT TO SHARE IT WIT YOU
GUYS. >> IF YOU WOULD JUST PLEASE CONSIDER, IT'S NOTHING BINDING, BUT HAVING THAT ONE LOT EXIT BACK TO THE NORTH ONTO RIVERSIDE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE
THANK YOU, SIR. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, IS THERE PUBLIC
>> IF THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION OR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.
>> I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO PRIVATE IF I HAD SOMETHING TO READ.
I GET ALL MY ITEMS ELECTRONICALLY, AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO READ. I COULD TRY TO PULL IT UP ON MY
PHONE, DUTT BUT -- >> WE HAVE MER PETER.
GO AHEAD. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PROPOSAL APPROVAL OF REZONE 2021-20 RIVERSIDE BOULEVARD LOTS REZONE, REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY .47 ACRES OF LAND
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FROM COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY SPECIFICALLY LOCATED AT 5605 A1A SOUTH, BASED UPON FOUR-DOOR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY MR. PETER.
A SECOND BY DR. MCCORMICK. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE.
THAT MOTION PASSES. >> THANK YOU.
>> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 7, MS. ACEVEDO.
>> THANK YOU, SHANNON ACEVEDO FOR THE RECORD WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP, 7 WALDO STREET, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REZONING CALLED THE GUITAR SHOP.
THERE WE GO. AND OUR APPLICANT DAVID LEE, THE PROPERTY OWNER, IS HERE AS WELL IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFIC FOR HIM. THIS IS LOCATED AT 1985 STATE ROAD 16. AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND A LITTLE EAST OF I-95. IT'S ABOUT 1.62 ACRES, AND IT WAS FORMERLY THE GERMAN-AMERICAN CLUB.
THE FUTURE LAND USE IS MIXED USE, ALSO SURROUNDED BY MIXED USE, AS YOU CAN SEE. AND THE ZONING IS CURRENTLY OPEN RURAL. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, SOME OPEN RURAL, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE CORRIDORS DEVELOPING IT'S A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ALONG STATE ROAD 16 THERE. AND SO WHAT WE WOULD BE REQUESTING IS COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE.
SO TO GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY JUST WHAT PRECIPITATED THIS REQUEST, THE PROPOSAL TO REZONE TO COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE IS FOR THE
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PURPOSE OF ADAPTING THE BUILDING FOR A CUSTOM DESIGN AND BUILDING GUITAR SHOP, COULD POTENTIALLY EXPAND IN THE FUTURE, BUT CURRENTLY THE IDEA IS TO REUSE THE EXISTING BUILDING THERE, AND IT WOULD BE FOR A COMBINATION OF BOTH RETAIL, CUSTOM DESIGN, BUILDING AND STORAGE OF GUITARS. BECAUSE THE GERMAN-AMERICAN CLUB WAS A PRIVATE CLUB, IT WAS LOWBL IN OPEN RURAL, HOWEVER, NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN OPEN RURAL, SO FOR THIS TYPE OF PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WE WOULD NEED SOMETHING LIKE COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE.IN TERMS OF JUSTIFICATION, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS WITHIN A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT IN TERMS OF INTENSITY AND DEPTH, THIS SITE IS AROUND 360 FEET IN DEPTH, AND WHERE I'VE SHOWN KIND OF THIS DOTTED LINE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THAT'S THE EXTENT OF COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR TO DATE WHICH IS AROUND 1,000 FEET SO THIS WOULD BE INCREMENTAL AND WELL WITHIN THE EXATDABILITY OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
COMPATIBILITY OF SURROUNDING AREA.
ON THAT NOTE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S LOTS OF SIMILAR USES ALONG THE CORRIDOR. YOU'VE GOT ATLANTIC SELF STORAGE WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST, FIGHTUS ROOFG, U-HAUL AND THEN SOME COMMERCIAL USES AS WELL.
AND MINIMAL AS IT IS, THIS IS OUR CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH AGAIN WOULD BE REUSING THE EXISTING BUILDING AND, OF COURSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SO MANY SITE IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S PROPER PARKING AND ACCESS.
SO IN SUMMARY, THIS REZONING IS CONSIST OF WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND SO WE REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS ZONING TO CW, COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS? >> I DROVE BY YESTERDAY.
>> THANK YOU, MR. PIERRE. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
DR. HILSENBECK. >> IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION. I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE FOR THAT RESIDENCE THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PROPOSED SHOP, BUT I SAW IN YOUR CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN YOU'VE GOT TO LOADING DECK AND ALL THE PARKING RIGHT UP FRONT, AND I ASSUME THAT'S WHERE THE SALES CENTER WILL BE, SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT BUSINESS FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND I PERSONALLY LOOK FORWARD TO STOPPING BY WHEN THEY'RE UP AND
>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM AGENCY MEMBERS? SEEING NONE, IS THERE MI PUBLIC
>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION OR DISCUSSION. NOW YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL I HAVE.
>> SOMETHING TO READ. MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2021-19, THE GUITAR SHOP, A REQUEST FOR REZONE APPROXIMATELY 1.62 ACRES OF LAND FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL,
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WAREHOUSE TO ACCOMMODATE A GUITAR BUILD AND DESIGN SCOP SICK OF SPECIFICALLY LOCATED AT 1985 STATE ROAD 16 BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.>> WE HAVE TO APPROVE BY MR. ERTZ PETER, SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE.
THAT MOTION PASSES SECTION ITEM WILL GO TO AGENDA NUMBER ITEM 8. SCOTT MEADOWS.
>> SCOTT MEADOWS. JACKSONVILLE AND WE'RE REPRESENTING THE HORN OWNER. TODAY KEY COME BEFORE YOU WE'VE GOT 11.3 ACRES, 37 ACRES ON COUNTY ROAD 208 THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO REZONE FROM OR TO RESIDENTIAL B WHICH IS THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT IS ALREADY IN YOUR COMP PLAN.
THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW HAS TWO ABANDON MOBILE HOMES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE ACTUAL LOCATION JUST OFF OF PELL SEER ROAD. AS YOU CAN SEE OTHER THAN COUNTY ROAD 208 THIS PROPERTY DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER ROAD FRONTAGE ACCESS TO IT. YOU HAVE SEVERAL OTHER HOMES IN
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THE AREA THAT ARE ALL IN THE OR, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET YOU HAVE TO WHISPERING RIDGE SUBDIVISION WHICH IS ALSO RESIDENTIAL B, AND I THINK IT HAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 400, 405 RESIDENCES IN THAT SUBDIVISION ALREADY.THIS AGAIN SHOWS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
OFWHERE EVERYTHING IS SCHEDULED TO GO TO RESIDENTIAL B WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MIXED USE AND THE RUR THERE TO THE LEFT.
THE ZONING MAP WEAR CURRENTLY OR, PUD TO THE NORTH OF US, KIND OF DOWN TO THE SOUTHEAST, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON DOWN TO THE SOUTHEAST, TO THE SOUTHWEST THERE IS ONE PRD.
THIS IS THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN POINT OUT A FEW THINGS.
AT THIS POINT WE'VE GOT THE ENTRYWAY COMING IN OFF OF 208 WHICH WE HAVE TRIED TO ALIGN WITH WHISPERING RIDGE TO TRY TO ELIMINATE ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES. WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 50-FOOT THAT WILL BE DESIGNATED AS FUTURE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR COUNTY ROAD 208. OUR LIFT STATION FACILITIES WILL BE OUT TOWARDS THE ROAD. THEY WILL NOT BE IN THE BACK OR ADJACENT TO ANY OTHER HOMES THAT WE CAN TELL AT THIS POINT.
OUR RECREATION SPACE AND RETENTION PONDS ARE LOCATED AT THE FRONT. WE HAVE A CENTRAL DRIVE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC WHICH IS LARGE ENOUGH FOR YOUR FIRE EXPHRJ SERVICES TO GET THROUGH -- EMERGENCY SERVICES TO GET THROUGH. WE ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER INTO THIS SUBDIVISION.
OTHERWISE, OBVIOUSLY IF IT WAS LEFT OPEN RURAL, THEY'D HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE WELL AND SEPTIC TANK BECAUSE I THIN RIGHT NOW YOU'VE HAVE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR 11 LOTS.
AND STILL HAVE WELL AND SEPTIC. SO BY MOVING UP TO THIS, THE OWNER WILL HAVE TO BEAR THE EXPENSE OF MOVING THE UTILITIES CLOSER TO THE SITE. THIS KIND OF OUTLINES THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTHS AND DEPTHS. I CAN GO THROUGH THOSE.
I THINK YOU ALL HAVE THESE IN YOUR PACKAGE.
WE CURRENTLY BELIEVE YOU REQUIRE 25% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT IN YOUR CODE, AND WE ARE AT 29% ALREADY.
SO WE EXCEED THAT A LITTLE BIT. FROG IN MY THROAT TODAY.
AS FAR AS OUR COMPATIBILITY, AGAIN THE FUTURE LAND USE IS ALREADY RESIDENTIAL B WHICH ALLOWS THE TWO UNITS PER ACRE.
WE WILL HAVE 22 HOMES ON 11.37. IT'S CONSIST OF WITH WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET. AND WE BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY ASKING FOR THE 22 HOMES ON THIS LOT THAT WE WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS IMPACTS THAN SOME OF THE OTHER LARGER DEVELOPMENTS. THIS IS ALSO A NON-CONNECTED PROPERTY. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE AERIAL, YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINES. WE DON'T CONNECT SO YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BUILD INTO A FUTURE MUCH LARGER DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS 11.37 ACRES.
IT'S GOING TO STAY 11.37 ACRES. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS,
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. >> THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION?
>> I DROVE BY IT. >> I DROVE BY THE ALSO.
>> THANK YOU. >> IT'S HIS OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
[LAUGHTER] >> IS THERE ARE THERE ANY
QUESTIONS OF MR. PIERRE? >> CAN WE GO BACK TO THE MASTER PLAN, PLEASE. OKAY.
>> SO I AM REALLY CONCERNED IF THERE IS A DISASTER, HOW PEOPLE
ARE GOING TO GET OUT OF THERE. >> THAT UNFORTUNATELY IS KIND OF A CONSEQUENCE OF HAVING A LANDLOCKED PIECE.
WE DON'T HAVE AN ACCESS ANYWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN USING THAT CUL-DE-SAC TO FOCUS BACK OUT ON 208.
WE DON'T HAVE CONNECTIVITY TO ANY OTHER ROADWAYS.
>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> I HAVE -- I HAD SEVERAL CONCERNS. YOU ADDRESSED A COUPLE OF THEM.
BUT THAT OPEN SPACE RIGHT UP BY COUNTY ROAD 208, I ASSUME THAT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLY ACTIVE RECREATION, CHILDREN OUT THERE THROWING A BASEBALL, FOOTBALL WITH WHATEVER.
RIGHT ALONG 208, IS THAT GOING TO BE FENCED, THOSE AREAS?
>> IT CERTAINLY WILL BE, YES. THAT'S A CONCERN BECAUSE AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT THAT ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT WE'RE LEAVING OPEN FOR DEDICATION, BUT, YES, ABSOLUTELY THAT WOULD BE FENCED AT THE FRONT.
>> THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF AGENCY MEMBERS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL OPEN THE
PUBLIC HEARING. >> FIRST SPEAKER IS GABBY, I BELIEVE IT'S PERELETA. SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> HELLO.
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I AM FROM 2515 PELL SARAH ROAD. MY NAME IS GABBY PERLITO.THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US. I JUST RECENTLY ACQUIRED 10 ACRES, A PROPERTY VERY SIMILAR TO THAT ON PELL SEER ROAD AND ALL THE FAMILIES LIVING IN THERE HAS BEEN IN THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THEY HAVE RELATIVES, KIDS.
IT'S A VERY QUIET AREA WHERE WE PRETEND TO KEEP IT THAT WAY AND TEACH OUR KIDS TO LOVE NATIVE NATURE, TO PRESERVE ANIMALS, TO LEARN HOW TO GROW FOOD. EVERYBODY TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS. WE ALREADY HAVE RANCH AND ALL OF THE OTHERS COMING OUT. WHERE IS THE FOOD FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING UP? AND THEN PEOPLE IN WHISPERING RIDGE, I USED TO LIVE IN WHISPER RIDGE, THEY HATE THAT WE USE THEIR SUBDIVISION TO GO ACROSS 16.
IT'S A NIGHTMARE. WHEN THE OUTLETS ARE BUSY.
BY THE WAY, THEY'RE DYING. THERE ARE NOT MANY JOBS AVAILABLE IN THE OUTLET AREA FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING OUT.
IT'S A NIGHTMARE TO COME OUT OR GET IN OR OUT 95.
YES, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AMAZING, SO CLOSE TO 95, SO CLOSE TO THE BEACH, BUT IT TAKES YOU 40 MINUTES JUST TO GET TO DOWNTOWN ST. AUGUSTINE BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC EITHER WAY YOU TAKE IT IS HORRIBLE. WATER IS ANOTHER CONCERN.
WE HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE DRAINING OUR PROPERTIES, CLEANING OUR PROPERTIES. MOSQUITOES EXROL IS A CONS A PROBLEM. THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, AND IF WE CAN WE GO THERE WITH THE INTENTION TO HAVE SPACE, TO HAVE PRY SWREABS TO HAVE SPACE, TO -- PRIVACY, TO HAVE SPACE, TO PLAY INSTEAD OF SNINGT FRONT OF TVS, TO LEARN FROM NATURE, DLEAVMENT DOESN'T HELP.
I UNDERSTAND WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO LEAVE, AND I'M ALSO A REALTOR. I'M A PROFESSIONAL REAL ESTATE AGENT. AND THERE IS PLENTY.
THERE IS PLENTY OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON.
THERE IS PLENTY, BUT WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF NATURE, TREES AND TRANSPORTATION. I MEAN, WHEN I MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH A CUSTOMER OF MINE, I HAVE TO PLAN TWO HOURS AHEAD BECAUSE TRAFFIC JUST TERRIBLE EITHER GOING BEHIND PACETTI ROAD, USING 208 OR 13 3 ROAD BECAUSE IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE, AND THAT IS GOING TO TAKE A TOLL ON OUR SMALL COMMUNITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS GARY DUNLOP.
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR.
>> GARY DUNLOP, COUNTY ROAD 208.
IVER THE PROAT EBB RIGHTLY NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE. I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO VOTE IT DOWN AND VOTE NO. TO PUT 22 HOURS HOUSES IN THAT AREA WHERE IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS AROUND THERE, EVERYTHING EVERYTHING IS ACREAGE, ONE OR TWO HOUSES ON SEVERAL ACRES. MY PROPERTY LINE IS 1800-FOOT LONG. THERE IS HUNDREDS OF TREES, SOME OF THEM 100-FOOT TALL RIGHT ON THAT PROPERTY LINE.
WE HAVE ANIMALS COMING OUT OF THERE.
WE SEE THE OCCASIONAL GOPHER TURTLE THAT WANDERS IN.
WE'D LIKE TO BE OUT IN THE COUNTRY, AND I LIVE IN SOUTH HAMPTON. BEFORE I RETIRED AND PAWT THIS PROPERTY FIVE YEARS AGO -- BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AND FIVE YEARS AGO AND WANTED TO GET OUT OF THAT TYPE OF AN ENVIRONMENT AND GO OUT WHERE IT'S PEACEFUL AND QUIET AND YOU CAN SEE THE STARS AND YOUR DOGS CAN RUN FREE AND YOUR ANIMALS CAN RUN FREE AND THE KIDS CAN RUN FREE, AND WHEN THE GRANDKIDS COME AND VISIT, THEY JUST LOVE THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S IT IS SO BEAUTIFUL, AND I THINK TO COME IN AND BUY 11 ACRES AND DROP 22 HOUSES IN THE MIDDLE OF A AREA THAT IS RURAL, I BOUGHT IT BECAUSE IT WAS RURAL, AND I ASSUME THAT EVERYTHING WOULD STAY RURAL. I JUST -- I'M ASKING YOU TO VOTE NO. I THINK IT'S TOO MUCH FOR THE AREA THAT WE'RE IN. OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING AND FOR YOUR TIME.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM. >> SIR.
>> YES, QUESTION. >> I'M LOOKING AT THE LOCATION MAP, AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO MAKE OUT.
THESE ARE 40-FOOT WIDE LOTS. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF THIS THAT IS ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT LOT
>> WHAT'S THE NEAREST SUBDIVISION?
AND YOU CAN PREFACE. >> IT WOULD BE ACROSS THE
STREET. >> HOW BIG ARE THOSE LOTS?
>> STANDARD. I THINK -- IN NOT WHISPER RIDGE BUT GRAY HAWK THERE'S ABOUT 25 HOUSES IN THERE.
I THINK MOST LOTS ARE 40 BY 100.
>> IN THAT SUBDIVISION? >> IN THAT SUBDIVISION.
I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
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>> THANKS FOR LISTENING. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS GARRET DUNLO DUNLOP. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD,
PLEASE. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS GATOR DUNLAP AT THANK YOU 05C COUNTY ROAD 208.
I'M ASKING TO YOU VOTE NO. WE'RE OUT IN THE COUNTRY, CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE OUT IN THE COUNTRY BUT, YOU KNOW, TO THE CITY.
EVERYTHING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 208 IS RURAL.
ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ACROSS THE STREET.
HAVING THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR ALL OF A SUDDEN GIVES 22 NEIGHBORS RATHER THAN HAVING TWO NEIGHBORS AT THE MOMENT.
PEOPLE OUT HERE LOVE THE WILDERNESS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO SHOOT GUNS.
OBVIOUSLY THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE HAVING 22 NEIGHBORS TAKEN AWAY FROM BEING OUT IN THE COUNTRY. -- TAKING AWAY FROM BEING OUT IN THE COUNTRY. I JUST ASK THAT YOU VOTE NO.
STEVE BRANDBOLD. >> I APOLOGIZE.
I'M RECOVERING FROM A HEAD-ON COLLISION.
>> OH, MY GOD. >> MY WIFE AND I BOTH COULD HAVE DIED BUT WE'RE BOTH STILL HERE. STEVE GRANVILLE 3233 COUNTY ROAD 208. I'M ADJACENT TO MR. DUNLOPS BE THE, THE TWO MR. DONE LOPS PROPERTY.
MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT 8-1/2 ACRES OUT THERE IN 1985.
SHOP AND BARN. WE HAVE FOUR HORIZONS CURRENTLY, A STOCKED POND WITH TILAPIA AND SHELL CRACKERS CRACKERS ANS IN IT. WE DO SHOOTING WITH OUR TARGET -- WITH OUR RIFLES AND SITE THEM IN FOR HUNTING SEASON AND ALSO TRAIN WITH OUR PISTOLS.
I WANT THOU GUYS, INCLUDING THE LADIES, FOR SERVING IN THIS VOLUNTEER CAPACITY. I SERVED IN A NUMBER OF VOLUNTEER CAPACITIES IN THIS COUNTY, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT THE MOST PLEASURABLE POSITION TO PUT YOURSELF IN, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION, NOT JUST FOR WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BUT FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S BEEN HERE AND COMES BEFORE YOU OVER THE COURSE OF YOUR TERMS. I'M HERE ALSO REPRESENTING MY WIFE WHO SPENT 31-1/2 YEARS WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, RETIRED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
SHE'S LIFELONG RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, BORN AND RAISED IN HASTINGS, AND WE'VE BEEN MARRIED 27 YEARS NOW.
CURRENTLY WE'RE ZONED OPEN RURAL.
THAT MEANS WE CAN HAVE THE THINGS I JUST SPOKE ABOUT AS FAR AS OPEN RURAL IMPLIES, AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYTHING COME IN THAT MAKES THAT NOT COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTS THAT WANT TO HAVE THESE SMALL LOTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 208 WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THAT.
TRUE, ACROSS THE STREET WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DEVELOPMENTS SUCH AS WHISPER RIDGE. WHISPER RIDGE RESERVE.
AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT YOU BE, ONE OF THE MEMBERS SPOKE ABOUT THE LANDLOCKED NATURE OF THINGS.
THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ACROSS THE STREET HAVE ACCESS ONTO 208 AND ONTO 16 SO THEY'VE GOT TWO WAYS TO GET IN AND OUT WHICH MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE AND EMERGENCY EVACUATION. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES AND TRAFFIC BECAUSE THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, BUT YOU CAN SUSPECT WHAT ALL OF US WOULD THINK AND SAY ABOUT THAT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE THAT ARE TESTIFYING OR YOU'RE HEARING US TAKING TIME OFF TO BE HERE. THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IN THAT -- IN THAT RESIDENCE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE TIME OFF BUT THEY PANT I KNOW THEY WILL BE ATTENDING THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING AND PARTICIPATING NO THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING ARRANGEMENTS TO DO THAT.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SPHRECT RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THIS CHANGE FOR THE REASONS I'VE SUGGESTED.
I SEE I'M DOWN TO ABOUT THREE SECONDS.
I'VE GOT TO PICK MY WIFE UP AT THE HOSPITAL.
SHE'S IN RECOVERY FROM MAJOR ANKLE SURGERY UP IN JACKSONVILLE SO I CAME DOWN HERE TO BE HERE FOR THIS AND AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE HERE I'VE GOT TO GO BACK UP.
LET ME BE QUIET. THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TOONS THEM. THE THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO-TO-SAY IS THE QUICKLY THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON THAT I KNOW THAT IS BEEN IN HERE AND THAT WOULD BE SOMEBODY REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER SUPPORTING THIS.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE PRESUMABLY BEING PAID DPOICHT PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT ARE PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL OWNERS THAT ARE TAKING TIME OFF, WE'RE
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AT NO GETTING PAID FOR IT. WE JUST WANT TO KEEP THINGS COMPATIBLE WITH HOW IT'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR DECADES.>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.
I APPRECIATE THE EXTRA TIME. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS JAMES A.
DAVIS NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD,
PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS JAMES DAVIS LIVE.
AT 2525 PELL SEER ROAD. THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOT ADJACENT TO MY PROPERTY BUT I AM FURTHER DOWN FROM IT.
WE MOVED FROM FOR US. POINT TO GET AWAY FROM THE TRAFFIC AND AHEAD OF THE CHAOS OF THE TOWN OUT TO BE IN AN OPEN RURAL AREA, AND IN DOING SO WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS WETLANDS DIRECTLY BEHIND OUR PROPERTY.
AND I'VE BEEN TOLD OVER THE YEARS WEEK BODY-WORN AND RAISED IN THE COUNTY, THAT THE HEAD OF PELL SEER CREEK STARTS BEHIND OUR PROPERTY. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THIS DEVELOPMENT, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, IF IT GETS BUILT, YOU'RE TRAINGS ELEVATIONS OBVIOUSLY TO GET THEM OUT OF THE WELTLAND, OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE AREAS.
WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING? AND UNFORTUNATELY I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO GO TO MY PROPERTY. AND AS THE MORE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN OUT THERE, WHEN I BOUGHT EIGHT YEARS AGO, I WAS NOT IN A WETLANDS AREA. MY HOUSE WHAT IS NOT.
NOW THOD, BECAUSE OF THE WETLANDS REZONING, 100% OF MY 4 ACRES IS COMPLETELY WETLANDS==.
MY HOME IS IN WETLANDS. SO THE THING I HAVE CONCERNS WITH IS THIS DEVELOPMENT, NOT ONLY WHAT HAPPENS TO HIS AREA AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE TRAFFIC, BUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PEOPLE DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, BY BRINGING UP THAT ELEVATION? IF I'M ALREADY SEEING FLOOD WATERS, THE LAST TWO YEARS I'M SEEING WATER RECEDE OR COME INTO MY PROPERTY THAT IN THE PAST TEN YEARS I'VE NEVER SEEN, AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH TWO HURRICANES IN THAT HOUSE INCIDENT. HAVE THE WATER ISSUES THAT I'VE GOT NOW. SO WE KEEP-ELECT THESE DEVELOPMENTS KEEP BUILDING UP. THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE DOWN THE ROAD THAT SEE TAD VERSE EFFECTS.
NOT ONLY THAT BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY WHEN I COME OUT ON 208, YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT TO SEE THE TRAFFIC COMING EXAWNT BECAUSE OF VEGETATION. I KNOW THE COUNTY'S BUSY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE AND SHORT ON STAFF ON CUTTING GRASS, BUT THERE'S TREE LIMBS OVER QUANTITY SEE WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE ROAD. THERE'S BEEN ALMOST A FEW ACCIDENTS WITH MYSELF INCLUDED COMING OUT ONTO 208 AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A WALL SO THAT CIKDZ PLAY IN THERE OR A FENCE LINE, THAT JUST MAKES THAT VISIBILITY EVEN MORE RESTRICTIVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS VOTE ACCORDINGLY.
NEXT SPEAKER IS ALLEN PIERCE. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD,
PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS ALLEN PIERCE.
I LIVE AT 2375 PELL SEER ROAD AND THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS IN MY BACKYARD. AND I'VE BEEN THERE 25 YEARS, AND AS THE FORMER PERSON SPOKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S WET, AND I WORK FOR A DEVELOPER, AND EVERY JOB THAT WE'VE DONE, WE HAVE IMPORTED DIRT TO RAISE THE LAND TO KEEP IT FROM FLOODING.
WHAT IS -- WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE RUNOFF WHEN THEY START BUILDING THESE HOUSES? WHERE IS THE WATER GOING TO GO? YES, YOU CAN BUILD A RETENTION POND, BUT THE WATER STILL HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE BEYOND THE RETENTION POND.
WE HAVE A LOT OF WILDLIFE THAT COMES THROUGH OUR YARD, TURKEYS, DEER, SAND HILL CRANE, WHICH IS NOT USUAL BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF WILDLIFE THAT COMES THROUGH OUR YARD.
AND OUR NEIGHBORS' YARDS. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT GO AWAY IT'S COMFORTING FOR BOTH OF US.
AND THROUGH THE NIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TAKE OUR ANIMALS OUTSIDE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM, WE STHEE WE SEE THEM AT NIGHT.
WE DON'T NEED 22 MORE HOMES IN MY BACKYARD 37.
IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT AND THE CONSTRUCTION, THE TIME IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOR THOSE 222 HOMES TO BE BUILT ICE GOING TO
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BE DISTURBING NOT ONLY TO OUR PROPERTY AND MY NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY BUT THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE FARM ANIMALS AND WHATNOT. IF I HAD MONEY, I'D BUY IT MYSELF. BUT, YEAH.I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT. AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.
YOU'RE AWESOME JUST TO LISTEN TO US.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
LAST SPEAKER IS TOBY WHITE. TOBY WHITE.
SINCE HE APPARENTLY EITHER LEFT OR IS DECLINING TO SPEAK, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS THAT DIDN'T FILL OUT A CARD? THEN I ASSUME WE'RE BACK TO THE APPLICANT TO REBUT THOSE COMMENTS.
>> TWL I I THINK I CAN REBUT SOME OF THEM.
OBVIOUSLY ANY TIME YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT YOU MIGHT NOTE ACTUALLY HAVE A PERFECT ANSWER FOR GOING FORWARD.
BUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST WINS KEEP HEARING FROM EVERYBODY IS THE DRAINAGE. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT ONE FIRST. WE DO HAVE TWO RETENTION PONDS ON OUR PLAN, AND MY FATHER AND I ARE THE ONES THAT ARE DOING THE DESIGN WORK. WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS HERE SINCE THEN 70, AND ONE 700 AND ONE OF OUR SPECIALTY THINGS IS DRAINAGE DESIGN, NOT ONLY IN DOING IT BUT WE HAVE ALSO TESTIFIED IN COURT FOR SUBDIVISIONS AND PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS WHEN THEY HAVE HAD SUBDIVISIONS BUILT NEXT TO THEM THAT HAVE CAUSED DRAINAGE ISSUES, SO WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT. OUR PLAN IN THIS SUBDIVISION IS TO HAVE CURB INLETS TO PIPING THAT WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE THE WATER TO THE FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY AND DISCHARGE INTO THE DRAINAGE DITCHES ALONG 208 WHICH WILL BE THE PRIMARY.
NONE OF THE DRAINAGE WILL BE TOWING TO THE ADJACENT LOTS ARE BEHIND PUCHES WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POLLEN POWER TO CONTROL IN IT THAT MANNER. THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE LOT WIDTHS THAT ALSO CAME UP. THERE ARE FOUR LOTS THAT HAVE 40-FOOT WIDTHS. THOSE ARE LOCATED IN THE CUL-DE-SAC AT THE VERY BACK. AND THAT IS PRIMARILY AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THEM HAVING TO SHARE FRONTAGE ON THAT CUL-DE-SAC WHICH OBVIOUSLY HAS TO BE A CERTAIN SIZE TO ACCOMMOATE THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES THAT HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT IS THE ONLY REASON.
AT THE RAPHER THOSE LOTS THEY REAR OF THOSE LOTS THEY ARE MUCH PLEARNLG ALL THE REST ARE PRETTY MUCH AT 90 TO 95 FEET WIDE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION.
WE HAD -- A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE WILDLIFE AND THAT IS A WONDERFUL THING. MY FAMILY IS A FARM FAMILY FROM WEST FLORIDA. WE LOVE THE WILDLIFE.
WE HAVE TONS OF IT IS THERE ON OUR FARM, AND I CAN GREATLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT BEING ABLE TO WALK OUT AND SEE THAT.
WHEN WE HAD OUR ENVIRONMENTALIST GO OUT, THEY FOUND NO EVIDENCE ON OUR PROPERTY. THAT WHAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I DID, BUT THAT IS THE REPORTER THAT WE GOT BACK, THAT WE HAD NO ENDANGERED SPECIES, WE HAD NO EVIDENCE OF CONTINUED TRAFFIC OF WILDLIFE THROUGH THE PROPERTY. LET'S SEE.
WE ALSO HAD SOME OBVIOUSLY COMMENTS ON TRAFFIC, AND I THINK ANY TIME THAT YOU DO A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, WHETHER IT'S A LARGE ONE OR A SMALL ONE, TRAFFIC IS GOING TO COME UP TO BE AN ISSUE, AND AGAIN WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY ALLOWED IN THE COMP PLAN.
WE'RE NOT -- ORIGINALLY I WAS WORKING WITH A DIFFERENT OWNER, AND HE WANTED TO HAVE FOUR UNITS PER ACRE, AND I TOLD HIM THAT WOULD NEVER FLY. HE DIDN'T LIKE THAT SO HE SOLD IT TO HIS MARTNE AND BACKED OUT OF COMPLETELY P.
HIS PARTNER WAS FINE HAVING TWO PER ACRE SO HE'S MUCH MORE UNDERSTANDING AND SYMPATHETIC TO WHATEVER CONCERNS WE MAY HAVE.
AS FAR AS THE FRONT WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT VISIBILITY AND SOME CONCERN WHEN WE HAD DISCUSSED HAVING A FENCE THERE FOR CHILDREN TO BE PROTECTED, THAT WOULD BE DONE IN SUCH WAY THAT IT IS NOT IN THE LINE OF SIGHT FOR ANYBODY THAT COMES IN AND OUT ON 208 EITHER FROM PELL SEER ROAD OR FROM ANY OTHER DIRECTION. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE THE ADDITIONAL 50-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT IS GOING TO BE GIVEN AND THEN WE ARE AN ADDITIONAL SPACE BACK FROM THAT BEFORE YOU WOULD EVER HAVE A FENCE OR ANY TYPE OF A WALL THAT WOULD BE PRESENTING THOSE OPEN SPACE AREAS.
IN AGAIN, WE AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE
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DENSITY. I'M NOTE SURE WHAT ELSE.THERE I WAS MENTION OF GOPHER TORT US.
AGAIN THAT'S AN END GAIRNLGD SPECIES.
WE HAVEN'T FOUND ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT.
OBVIOUSLY IF WE DID, WE WOULD TAKE ROW.
THAT THE MEASURES TO RELOCATE NESTS OR TURTLES IF THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. WE ALSO HAD THE CULTURAL RESOURCE ANALYSIS DONE ON THE. PROPERTY AND IT SAID NOTHING ARCHAEOLOGICAL WHAT GOES ON THE SITE.
AGAIN, IF SOMETHING WERE TO BE UNCOVERED THEN WE WOULD STOP AND FOLLOW LOCAL AND STATE REGULATION TO END COVER WHATEVER IS THERE, STOP WORK DO WHATEVER IS NRS TO TAKE CARE OF THAT -- NECESSARY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. AGAIN, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS THAT MOST PEOPLE I'M HEARING IS DENSITY.
WE'RE NOT A MASSIVE SUBDIVISION.
WE'RE ONLY 11.37 ACRES. KEEPS BUILDINGS AND BUILDING AND BUILDING LIKE WE'VE GOT LEGOS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS OF STAFF, MS. BISHOP.
DO YOU KNOW HOW LARGE WHISPER RIDGE IS APPROXIMATELY?
>> YES, MA'AM. WHISPER RIDGE PLOT WIDTH GO FROM 70 TO 150 FEET, SO IT'S DEPENDING ON WHERE THAT IS IN THAT PROJECT, AND THEIR THEIR LOT SIZES ARE FROM 7,700 UP TO 15,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. NEIGHBORHOOD. RATHER LOORNLG-
>> YES. >> TWR THEY RIDER TV INTERCONNECTIVITY TO 16 THROUGH IT BECAUSE OF HOW LARGE THEY WERE? WERE THEY REQUIRED?
>> I DON'T RECALL BUT THEY DID, THEY DID BUILD THAT ROADWAY.
IT IS A COLLECTOR ROADWAY THAT DOES CONNECT 208 TO STATE ROAD 16 THAT GOES THROUGH WHISPER RIDGE.
>> OKAY. AND THE SIZE OF HIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HE'S PROPOSING WHAT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE CODE AT ALL TO HAVE ANY INTERCONNECTIVITY. I'M NOT SURE YOU COULD EVEN DO IT, BUT HE'S NOT REQUIRED BY CODE, CORRECT?
>> NO, HE'S NOT REQUIRED BY CODE TO HAVE INTERCONNECTIVITY.
INTERCONNECTIVITY IS ENCOURAGED, THOUGH, FOR ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS IF IT'S POSSIBLE AND WHEN FEASIBLE.
>> AND THE MASS DENSITY HE COULD HAVE WOULD BE THE 22 SINGLE
>> AND BY RIGHT RIGHT NOW WITHOUT CHANGING, HE COULD DO
WITH RESIDENTIAL B HE'S TO GET 11.3 ACRES, AND RESIDENTIAL B ALLOWS UP TO TWO UNITS PER NET ACRE, SO YES.
>> THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN THE AGENCY?
>> CAN I REBUT HIS RETBULT? >> NO.
I'M SORRY. YOU CAN PLEASE SIT DOWN.
FUMBLE HEARING IS CLOSED AT THIS POINT AND SO NOW IT'S TIME FOR
DISCUSSION WITHIN THE AGENCY. >> I'M SORRY.
>> YES. I STILL HAVE CONCERN ESPECIALLY FOR EMERGENCY. I'M MILITARY AND I ALWAYS LIKE TO HAVE AN EXIT. THIS JUST BOTHERS ME, ESPECIALLY WITH THE KIDS PLAYING UP FRONT AWAY FROM THE HOAMTION.
IS IT GOING TO BE A GATED COMMUNITY?
>> NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. WE'RE NOT PLANNING FOR IT TO BE
A GATED COMMUNITY AT ALL. >> OKAY.
BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS UP FRONT, THE RAIRLD OF RESIDENTS REMAINDER OF THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO CATCH HELL TRYING TO
GET OUT. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
OR MOTION? >> MS. PERKINS, EXCUSE MY INTRUMTION. WAS THERE EX PARTE.
IS THERE ANY EX PARTE? >> YEAH, YOU DROVE BY.
I WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DID THIS.
>> YEAH, WE DID THIS. >> WE DID THIS.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE OPEN FOR A MOTION.
OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. MR. MILLER.
>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 2020-06 208 PRESERVE, A REQUEST FOR REZONING APPROXIMATELY 11.37 ACRES OF LAND FROM OPEN RURAL AND PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO ACCOMMODATE A MAXIMUMS OF 22 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SICK OF SPECIFICALLY ELECTED 3169 BASED UPON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> HAVE WITH A MOTION TO A REVENUE HAVE PROVE BY MR. MILLER. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
DR. HILSENBECK, DO YOU HAVE SOME COMMENT?
>> WELL, SINCE THE MOTION HAS DIED, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT DIED FOR LACK OF SECOND.
IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT? MR. PETER.
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>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PUD 2020-06, 208 PRESERVE A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 11.37 ACRES OF LAND FROM OPEN RURAL AND PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO ACCOMMODATE A MAXIMUM OF 22 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SPECIFICALLY LOCATED AT 3165 COIN ROAD 208 BASED UPON TEN FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED
IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> MOTION TO DENY BY MR. PETER AND A SECOND BY DR. MCCORMICKN==.
[9. PUD 2020-12 Mill Creek Crossing. ]
6 SEEING NONE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE VOTE.THIS IS HAD A MOTION TO DENY, SO A VOTE YES IS TO DENY.
A VOTE NO IS NOT. AND THAT MOTION PASSES.
SO YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. WE ARE NOTHING BUT A RECOMMENDATION FOR THEM. SO YOU WILL HAVE 81 YOUR
OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO THEM. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU ALL
>> MOVE ON TO NUMBER 9, MS. TAYLOR.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. KAREN TAYLOR 77 SARAGOSSA STREET. WITH ME IS REAMS BA CAR WITH THE BA CAR GROUP WHO PLANS TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROJECT.
NOONAN WHO IS THE PARISH PRIEST HAS HERE BUT HE HAD TO LEAVE BY 2:30 SO WE'RE A LITTLE LATE FOR HIM, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT HE DID WANT TO BE HERE. AND I'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH -- AGAIN, I'M KAREN TAYLOR.
DOUG SKILES IS THE ENGINEER. RYAN TART ERRETT CARTER DID OUR ENVIRONMENTAL AND DANA SINCLAIR DID OUR CULTURAL CRAS.
SO I HAVE INFORMATION FROM ALL OF THESE FOLKS WITH ME HERE.
THIS IS JUST A GENERAL AREA JUST TO SHOW YOU KIND OF HOW WE'RE RELATED TO INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY, PACETTI REID AND STATE ROAD 16. COMING IN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER IN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE.
THE COUNTY HASN'T UPDATED THEIR AERIALS SINCE 2019, SO AS WE KNOW THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS HAPPENING OUT HERE NOW THAT DON'T REALLY SHOW ON THIS. I HAVE SOME GOOGLE EARTH ONES WE'LL LOOK AT LATER. AS A NOTE WE DO HAVE THAL SCHOOL, MILL CREEK ACADEMY BEHIND US, AND THERE'S ALSO A PARCEL THAT THEY OWN THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS.
SO THIS PARCEL DOES NOT FRONT ON INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY.
IT IS ONLY FRONTS ON STATE ROAD 16.
IT DOES SHOW WHAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS OUR MAJOR PORTION OF OUR PROPERTY. THERE IS A CEMETERY ON THE PROPERTY, AND WE'LL GET INTO ALL OF THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.
BUT IT SHOWS YOU ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET, DOUBT AN MURABELLA ON THE CORNER.
THIS IS ALSO AN IMPROVED PUD FOR COMMERCIAL.
GIVE YOU LAND USE. WEAR E. WE ARE IN A RESIDENTIAL C LAND USE. ONLY THROUGH A PLANNED UNITCIAL- DEVELOPMENT PROVIDING IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THAT GENERAL AREA. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. THE SCHOOL IS PUBLIC OR IT'S ALSO RESIDENTIAL C UP BEHIND THIS THERE EVEN THOUGH IT HAT BEEN DEVELOPED INTO THOSE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE ST. JOHNS COUNTY PARKWAY WILL COME THROUGH.
AND LOTS OF RESIDENTIAL-A AND B.
AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL IMMEDIATELY ACROSS FROM IT WHICH IS THE WALGREENS AND AUTOZONE THAT'S ACROSS FROM IT.
ZONING, WE ARE OR, AS IS MUCH OF THE PROPERTY THAT SURROUNDS US, OR PUD WHICH IS TYPICAL IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR.
WE ARE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR. THERE IS COMMERCIAL GENERAL THAT WAS AT THE CORNER, BUT THE REST, THAT'S A COMMERCIAL PUD.
THAT'S PART OF WORLD COMMERCE CENTER.
THAT'S COMMERCIAL AREA. THAT'S THE PUBLIC U. PUBLIX SHOPPING CENTER WHICH IS ALSO COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL SURROUNDING ALL OF THAT I DID THIS DIAGRAM TO SHOW THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO SITE OWNERS IF THIS IS SUCCESSFUL.
THE WESTERN WOULD BE RETAINED BY THE DIOCESE THAT OWNS THE ENTIRE SITE RIGHT NOW. AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT, BUT IT SHOWS THAT IT'S -- IT INCLUDES THE EXISTING CEMETERY.
THERE'S ALSO MILL CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE, AND SO WHEN I
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GET TO SOME OF THE OTHERS YOU'LL ABLE TO SEE THAT CREEK AND THE WETLANDS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. THE COMMERCIAL SIDE TO BE DEVELOPMENT HAVE DEVELOPED WOULD BE THIS MORGUES, AND THAT'S WHAT MR. BAKAR IS PLANNING TO DO. THE CHURCH ACTUALLY IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND I THOUGHT THE SURVEY WAS HELPFUL BECAUSE THE SURVEY SHOWS US THE DIFFERENTIATION OF THE TWO PARCELS, WHICH WOULD BE IN THIS LOCATION, BUT ALSO SHOWS YOU THE DESIGNATED CEMETERY AREA, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT, SHOWS THE CREEK COMING THROUGH HERE, UPLANDS ON EITHER SIDE IN AREA SO IT KIND OF GIVES A BETTER OF VISUAL OF WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE GROUND. AGAIN, THE KIND OF CLOSER LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER DEMARCATION OF THE EXISTING WHAT EVERYTHING KIND OF LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW IN THE AREA.THIS IS THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME HERE BECAUSE I HAVE IT BLOWN UP A LITTLE BIT BUT IT IS FOR THE FULL 12-POINT THROIR ACRES, WHICH WOULD BE A DEVELOPMENT AREA A THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE CEMETERY SITE AND DEVELOPMENT AREA B THAT WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL SITE. 12.34 ACRES.
WITH THE SHARED ACCESS BETWEEN THE TWO.
TWEED A COMMUNITY MEETING AND I WANTED TO SHOW THIS BASICALLY BECAUSE THE PLAN THAT WE ORIGINALLY CAME IN WITH WAS THIS PLAN THAT WENT BEFORE THE COMMUNITY AT THE TIME, AND UNFORTUNATELY IT HAD TO BE A ZOOM BUT WE DID HAVE QUITE GOOD ATTENDANCE, AND I DID A LOT OF FOLLOW-UP WITH THE PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP THERE AS WELL AND KEPT IN TOUCH WITH THEM.
AS I MENTIONED, THE DIOCESE DOES OWN THE CEMETERY BUT THEY ALSO, THE PARISH IS THE ONE THAT HAS TO MAINTAIN AND TAKE CARE OF IT, SO THEIR ORIGINAL CONCEPT WAS ON THEIR SIDE THAT THEY ALSO WANTED TO ADD SOME COMMERCIAL TO THEIR SIDE.
THAT DIDN'T GO OVER VERY WELL WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE COMMUNITY. THERE IS -- THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL CEMETERY, AND THEY WANTED IT TO STAY LIKE IT IS, SO WE DID -- THAT'S A MOTORCYCLE? BECAUSE IT'S UNDERNEATH.
OKAY. SO ANYWAY I'LL GO PAST THAT, BUT WE HAD WORKED WITH THAT. SO THEY ALSO WERE KIND OF LIKE, OH, ANOTHER SHOPPING CENTER TYPE THING.
SO WE GOT TO WORK WITH THEM AND ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKAGE, AND IN THAT PACKAGE AGAIN WE KEEP THE SAME DIVISION BETWEEN THE TWO.
THERE I AM. SO ABASE WHICH I E MADE DIFFERENT CHANGES TO THAT.
SO WE TOOK EVERYTHING OFF THE CEMETERY EXCEPT FOR A COMBINE ACCESS FOR THE COMMERCIAL. AND REAMS ALSO KIND OF REDID THE COMMERCIAL INTO MORE OF AN OUT-PARCEL TYPE DEVELOPMENT.
THE PLAN DOES HAVE A SCENIC EDGE REQUIREMENT ON THE FRONT.
IT HAS DEVELOPMENT EDGES, THE 35 ON THE SIDES.
WE ADDED, UPON THEIR REQUEST, SO THERE'S AT LEAST TWAINT A 20-FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE CEMETERY, BUT WHEN YOU SEE THE INFORMATION THAT I'M SHOWING YOU ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL, THAT'S ALL TREED AREA ANYWAY. SO BASICALLY THE IDEA IS TO SHARE THE ACCESS POINTS BUT KEEP THESE TWO KIND OF SEPARATED.
RIGHT NOW RAMSEY DOES HAVE NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON WITH THE DAYCARE TO GO IN THIS LOCATION AND ACTUALLY A SIT-DOWN RESTAURANT IN THIS LOCATION. THE CENTER BUILDING IS SHOWN AS A POSSIBLE TWO-STORY BUILDING AND THE IDEA WAS IN CASE IT WAS NEEDED FOR MEDICAL OFTSZ AND THINGS LIKE THAT RELATED TO SOME OF THE FLAGLER HEALTH THINGS AND BAPTIST THAT'S EXPANDING IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. ON THE CEMETERY SITE JUST TO SHOW, THAT'S THE CREEK. YOU CAN SEE THE WETLAND DELINEATION OF THAT. WE HAVE SHOWN THE 25-FOOT UPLAND BUFFER AND WE HAVE ALSO SHOWN THE 25-FOOT UPLAND BUFFER BUILDING SETBACK, SO VIRTUALLY YOU'VE GOT 50 FEET.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE CEMETERY AND THERE'S NOTHING PLANNED FOR THIS. THERE WAS ANYTHING PLANNED, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME DAC TO YOU ALL.
BUT WE BASICALLY KIND OF SPLIT THE USES.
SO FOR DEVELOPMENT AREA A WHICH IS THE CEMETERY, THAT'S TO
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PRESERVE THE EXISTING CEMETERY, THOSE WETLANDS, THE MILL CREEK AND THE BUFFERS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, AND THE BUFFER.IT INCLUDES THE IMPROVED ACCESS AREA AND -- WHICH IS ONE OF THE COMMUNITY SPACES AND DOES HAVE ITS OWN SCENIC AND DEVELOPMENT EDGE REQUIREMENTS. THE DEVELOPMENT AREA B IS CONSTRUCTION OF THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE THREE BUILDINGS, AS SHOWN OR THAT COULD BE DIVIDED UP A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY BUT IT CLAWLTS PARKING AND LOADING AND THE STORM WATER, AND THE SECOND RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ACCESS, AND AGAIN MORE OUT-PARCEL DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN SHOPPING CENTER, SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE AND MORE OF A DESTINATION TYPE. THAT MAIN ACCESS IS TO BE SHARED BY THE CEMETERY AND THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND ONE OF THE COMMUNITY SPACES IS IN BETWEEN THAT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR ABOUT COMMUNITY SPACES IS AREA WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE OUTSIDE MARKETS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR ACTIVITIES SO THAT WOULD BE SHARED BY BOTH.
AGAIN, MR. BAKAR WOULD BE BUILDING ALL OF THAT AS WELL AS ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO STATE ROAD 16 THAT I'LL GET INTO IN JUST A MOMENT. WE DID COORDINATE WITH DOT ON THE IMPROVEMENTS ON STATE ROAD 16.
WE ALSO THEN MET WITH THE COUNTY PLANNERS A COUPLE TIMES.
KIND OF CAME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE.
DOT HAD QUITE THE ELABORATE PLAN FOR THAT INTERSECTION THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A SERIES OF U-TURNS WHICH THE COUNTY WORKED WITH THEM AND BASICALLY IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD THAN THAT. SO WE DID WORK WITH THAT, AND, OF COURSE, WE WILL HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE HOWEVER THAT WORKS SO THERE MIGHT BE SLIGHT CHANGES TO THIS BUT EVERYBODY DID AGREE WITH THAT. AGAIN, IT HAS THE SCENIC EDGES AND DEVELOPMENT EDGES, AND THAT ACCOUNTS FOR EVEN WHEN 2% OF % OF THAT AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE OPEN SPACE, AND SO WE HAVE OVER 6 ACRES ON THAT 12 ACRES, AND THE COUNTY SUPPLIES THE UTILITIES. SO WE DID WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ACCESS JUST A LITTLE BIT JUST TO KIND OF SHOW AND DEMONSTRATE WHERE THAT WOULD BE. IT'S A REALIGNMENT OF THAT EXISTING ACCESS. AND RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A WEST DRIVE THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT ENTERS INTO THE CEMETERY RIGHT NOW. SO BASICALLY THE WEST DRIVE -- I'M SORRY -- THE EAST DRIVE WOULD PROVIDE A RIGHT TURN LANE IN AS WOULD THIS NEW ONE. RIGHT NOW YOU DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING, SO WHEN YOU TURN INTO THE CEMETERY, YOU JUST HAVE TO KIND OF STOP ALONG 16. AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO HAVE, COMING FROM THE -- IF YOU WERE WESTBOUND -- RIGHT NOW IF YOU'RE WESTBOUND, YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION AND TAKE A U-TURN TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND GET INTO IT.
THERE'S NO ACCESS TO THAT. SO THIS WOULD CREATE AN ACTUAL TURN LANE ACCESS INTO THAT LOCATION.
LIKEWISE WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THE CEMETERY, AS YOU DO RIGHT NOW, AND I'LL SHOW YOU ON ANOTHER ONE YOU HAVE TO GO QUITE A DISTANCE, THIS WOULD PROPOSE A U-TURN THAT WOULD BE PRETTY CLOSE TO HERE, SO THAT IF YOU HAD COME FROM THE EAST, YOU COULD EASILY GO BACK TO THE EAST. EAST.
BASICALLY THIS BENEFITS BOTH AND THIS IS A DIAGRAM TO EXPLAIN THAT. RIGHT NOW IF YOU WERE TO COME OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT TO GO BACK EASTBOUND OR -- I'M SORRY -- TO GO OUT OF THE CEMETERY YOU'D HAVE TO GO UP TO ROOST LANDING ROAD AND COME ALL THE WAY BACK.
THAT'S HOW IT FUNCTIONS RIGHT NOW.
SO THE NEW ONE, AS I'VE MENTIONED IN THE OTHER, WOULD HAVE THAT SECOND. WE ALSO DID A SECONDARY RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ACCESS TO THE COMMERCIAL, SO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE WESTBOUND TRAFFIC HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND OUT OF THAT RATHER THAN USE THAT OTHER ENTRANCE.
IT'S PRIMARILY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GO IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. THE PERMITTED USES, WE ALSO CHANGED ALL THAT, SO THE CEMETERY SITE IS ONLY FOR CULTURAL AND INSTITUTIONAL USES.
AND WE ACTUALLY LIMITED SOME OF THOSE AS WELL SO THAT THERE WAS -- THERE'S THINGS LIKE LIGHTED BALL FIELD AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN THERE THAT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE.
OF COURSE RAN THOSE BY THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SO THOSE USES ARE LISTED IN HERE AND THEY'RE DEFINED.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS IS THAT, AND A QUESTION THAT I ANSWERED AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY MEETING, OR ZONING EVEN THOUGH IT'S OPEN RURAL AND IT DOES ALLOW
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AGRICULTURAL USES, IT ALSO ALLOWS SOME COMMERCIAL TYPE USES WITHIN IT, CLINICS AND DAYCARE CENTERS AND ASSISTED LIVING, DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS. SO BASICALLY BEING IN THE PUD PROTECTS THEM AND PROTECTS THE -- BASICALLY FROM OTHER THINGS HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE, NOT THAT THE DIOCESE HAS ANY OTHER PLANS. AGAIN, THEY KIND OF WENT OUT OF THAT. UNDER OUR COMMERCIAL WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT GENERAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS OFFICE. AND BASICALLY THAT'S TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE GENERAL AREA.A LITTLE BIT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL FOR DR. HILSENBECK, CHIEFNED AN AREA BASICALLY, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE DEFINITION OF THE TWO SIDES BUT BASICALLY THE COMMERCIAL AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IS PRETTY MUCH ALL PINE FLATWOODS. WE DO HAVE A DITCH THAT GOES THROUGH AND THAT HAS TO BE COMPENSATED FOR.
THE AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE BASICALLY PRESERVED WITH THE CEMETERY IS THE CEMETERY AS WELL AS SOME PINE AND MESSICK OAK THAT THAT WETLAND FOREST MIXED AREA, TOO, AND, OF COURSE, MILL CREEK AS WE WERE PLAWNG . I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE TOO LONG.
THIS IS A BIG ITEM THAT CAME UP DURING THE TIME WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE WITH THE CEMETERY AND THE SCHOOL.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO BRIEFLY GO OVER THESE BUT BASICALLY THERE WERE THREE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES IDENTIFIED ON HERE.
ONE IS THE CEMETERY ITSELF. OUR LADY OF GOOD COUNCIL AND THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1875. AND IT'S MOSTLY OR A LOT OF THE PACETTI FAMILY, WHICH IS A LOCAL FAMILY, BEEN HERE OBVIOUSLY SINCE 1875. SO THEY HAVE A REAL HEARTFELT TO THIS CEMETERY AND THEIR ANCESTORS THAT ARE BURIED THERE. THE SECOND ONE IS THE MILL CREEK DAM, AND THE MILL CREEK DAM WAS ACTUALLY AN 18TH CENTURY ALSO BRITISH COLONIAL PERIOD DAM. THERE'S NOT A LOT LEFT OF THE THINGS TO IT, BUT BASICALLY IT'S -- IT'S PRETTY COMPLOAS TO CLOSE TO WHERE STATE ROAD 16 COMES ACROSS.
THERE'S A COUPLE BERMS LEFT THERE AND THERE WAS A GRIST MILL AT THE TIME. THERE'S NOT ANYTHING FURTHER OF THE GRIST MILL. AND THEN THE THIRD THING WAS OUR LADY OF GOOD COUNCIL CATHOLIC CHURCH, AND THAT CHURCH WAS LOCATED ON THE CEMETERY SITE ORIGINALLY BUT THAT WAS MOVED IN 1902, SO IT IS ACTUALLY DOWN IN BAKERSFIELD.
IT'S STILL THERE. THIS WAS MY GOOGLE EARTH ATTEMPT. I'M NOTE REAL GOOD AT IT, BUT JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS KIND OF HAPPENING. THAT'S THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER. OF COURSE, THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL THAT'S JUST BEEN COMPLETED BUT IT KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE BETTER AERIAL VIEW. AND JUST SOME PICTURES TO KIND OF GIVE YOU, IF YOU DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO GO BY, THIS IS THE CEMETERY LOOKING AT IT FROM -- FOR THE SIDEWALK ALONG STATE ROAD 16, AND YOU CAN -- AS YOU COME IN A LITTLE BIT WEEK YOU CAN SEE IT HAD A LOT BETTER BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE NICE TREES AND THINGS THAT ARE ON THAT SITE.
I'LL GO THROUGH A FEW OF THOSE JUST TO SHOW YOU IT'S A COMBINATION OF OLD AND NEW AND KIND OF COVERS AROUND THE SHELTER IN THE MIDDLE. AND THIS ONE WAS JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU THE RELATIONSHIP TO STATE ROAD 16.
YOU CAN SEE THE DEPTH AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS IS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THAT. IT ALSO SHOWS -- STARTS TO SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE LEFT.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER PICTURE OF THAT PARTICULAR BUFFER AREA.
THIS IS IS CORNER THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE DAM IS AND THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME BERM SHOWN THERE AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE INSIDE OF THAT, SO THAT WON'T BE DISTURBED.
THERE WAS A NOTE IN THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL REPORT THAT BOTH DOT AND THE COUNTY SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT THEY PAY ATTENTION TO WHERE THINGS ARE AS THEY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROAD.
AGAIN, KIND OF FROM THAT, SHOWING YOU FROM THAT BERM AREA, THIS IS JUST THE ENTRANCE TO THE CEMETERY RIGHT NOW WHICH IS BACK FROM WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THE EDGES TO THAT SHOWING THE BUFFER AREA THAT'S NOT IN THE BUFFER.
AND THEN MY SIGN THAT WAS FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETING, THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE THAT 25-FOOT BUFFER STARTS.
JUST KIND OF A LOOK VIEW FROM THE INTERSECTION SIDE, SO I'M LOOKING EAST, LOOKING KIND OF NORTHWEST, TO THE WEST, AND THIS
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IS FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE LOOKING TO THE EAST, AS IS THIS PICTURE JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE FRONTAGE OF THIS SITE LOOKS LIKE AND IT SHOWS YOU THE PINE TREES.THAT IS THE INTERSECTION, PROBABLY ALL PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE PUBLIX SHOPPING CENTER AS WELL AS THE OUT-PARCELS IN FRONT OF THEM.
THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT IS IS THE WALGREENS AND AUTOZONE. AGAIN, DIRECTLY ACROSS.
SO TO SUM IT UP, WE DO WANT TO REZONE THE 12.34 ACRES FROM OPEN RURAL AND PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND THIS IS FOR A COMMUNITY SCALED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THE CEMETERY. WE DO FEEL THIS IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE GOALS, POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN AND IT IS LOWBL WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL C FUTURE LAND USE BECAUSE WE FEEL IT'S A SIZE AND SCALE THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA. THE PUD DOES DEFINE THE SIZES AND SCOPE AND USES, AS I SAID, FOR THE CEMETERY SITE AS WELL AS FOR OUR COMMERCIAL SITE. AND IT DOES PROTECT A LOT OF THE EXISTING PART OF THE SITE BUT ALSO ADDS BUFFERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE THIS A COMPLEMENTARY COMMERCIAL IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. IT'S ALREADY A COMMERCIAL NODE WHICH HAS BEEN DEFINED TO BE COMPATIBLE, AND IT IS SURROUND BY RESIDENTIAL AND THERE IS A NEED FOR IT.
AND IT'S SIMILAR TO THE SIZE ACROSS THE STREET BUT THE INTENSITY IS NOT. COULD WE DID NOT HAVE AN AUTOE AS WOULD BE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT.
THERE IS SIGNIFICANT BUFFERS TO THE SCHOOL PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE SOME BUFFER ON THEIR PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE, AND WE'VE ALSO PUT OUR RI TENSION IN THE BACK SO THAT THE BUILDING ARE AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE.
IT'S IMPROVED ACCESS FOR BOTH FOR US, FOR THE COMMERCIAL AND FOR THOSE THAT -- THAT'LL BE VISITING THE CEMETERY.
SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA.
IT'S GOOD FOR THE ECONOMIC TAX BASE.
AND WE ARE REQUESTING A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION? >> DROVE BY.
STILL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> SO IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE AGENCY MEMBERS? SEEING NONE, IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT?
STAWNLDZ STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU
>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS GREGLY, 1017 WESTER A FOAF E. NOVA WAY, ST. AUGUSTINE.
I HAVE LED THE VOLUNTEER GROUP THAT HAS PERFORMED THE PRESERVATION WORK ON THE CEMETERY OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, CLEANING THE GRAVE STONES AND KEEPING UP REGULAR MAINTENANCE. AND I HAVE FAMILY MECHANICS IN THE CEMETERY AS WELL. I HAVE A VERY SERIOUS AND VESTED INTEREST IN MAKING SURE WE KEEP THE INTEGRITY THAT OF CEMETERY AND IT DOESN'T BEGIN TO LOOKING THE CEMETERY OVER AT JOINTON CREEK ON RACE TRACK ROAD THAT WAS SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND KEPT AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT, SO THE ORIGINAL PLAN, AS KAREN MENTIONED, HAD BUILDINGS IN FRONT OF THE CEMETERY, AND THAT WAS A CONCERN, AND TO THE CREDIT OF THE DEVELOPER AND TO THE DIOCESE, THEY REMOVED THAT DEVELOPMENT AND THEY NOW SHOW THE CEMETERY AS BEING LEFT ALONE AND SEGREGATED AS PART OF TWO PARCELS IN THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS A VERY ADMIRABLE WAY TO DO THAT.
WE -- I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE COMMUNITY SPACE THAT WAS REFERENCED AND THE CONCERN THAT IF THERE'S OPEN AIR MARKETS OR SOME OTHER COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES, THAT THAT COULD -- THE ACTIVITY COULD BLEED OVER AND BECOME AN INCEO INENCROACHMENT INTO THE GRAVE AREA OF THE CEMETERY WHICH COULD CAUSE IT TO BE SOMEWHAT OF A DISRESPECTFUL ACTIVITY THAT COULD KIND OF UNINTENTIONALLY BLEED OVER INTO THAT AREA. HOW THAT COMMUNITY SPACE IS MANAGED AND USED COULD BE AN PARDON FACTOR AND I'D LIKE THAT TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. WE DO SUPPORT THE COMMERCIAL PLAN TO THE EAST, AS IT'S NOW CURRENTLY PRESENTED, AND THERE'S
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NO RESISTANCE, AT LEAST FROM THE COMMUNITY GROUP AND PEOPLE CHAY KNOW OF THAT WE'VE TALKED WITH, BUT AS LONG AS THIS PROJECT IS SPECIFICALLY DEFINED, THE CEMETERY AND THE COMMERCIAL, AND THAT THE COMMON DRIVEWAY IS USED IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY SO THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME SOMETHING THAT IMPACTS THE CEMETERY.BUT THE WAY THIS PROJECT IS NOW CURRENTLY DEFINED AND DESIGNED, WE THINK IT WILL BE A BENEFIT. I LIVE IN THE MURABELLA NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS CONSIST OF WITH WHAT'S GOING ON AT THAT IGP-16 PACETTI ROAD ENTERTAINING AND I THINK IT WILL BE A PLUS TO THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL BUT WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CEMETERY DOES NOT GET COMPROMISED OR ENCROACHED ON IN ANY WAY AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC
SPEAKERS? >> NO OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
SO, MS. TAYLOR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.
>> MS. TAYLOR, YOU CAN COME ON UP.
>> JUST A QUICK THING ON THAT COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WILL BE ON THE DIOCESE PIECE. THAT'LL BE CONTROLLED BY THE DIOCESE. SO I THINK THAT'LL MAKE -- AND WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING BY EMAIL AND STUFF FOR -- SINCE THE COMMUNITY MEETING, SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING DEEP UP AND AGAIN WE TRIED THE WORK VERY HARD WITH EVERYBODY, AND I'M SORRY IF THAT WAS LAINGTHY PRESENTATION BUT WE DID HAVE QUITE THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE LIVELY.
WITH THAT, I JUST ASK FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
THANK YOU. >> WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
[11. COMPAMD 2021-11 Property Rights Element (Adoption). ]
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. >> MR. PIERRE.
>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 2020-1 MILL CRK CROSSING BASED ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACTS AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> MR. PIERRE MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> SECOND BY MR. PETER. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CROAT.
THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU.
WE'RE GOING TO OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.
UNLESS YOU WANT A REPEATED SENTENCE.
>> THIS IS THE PROPERTY COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
THIS IS THE ADOPTION HEARING. YOU MAY RECALL YOU TRANSMITTED THIS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. THIS IS THE ADOPTION HEARING FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE A PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HOUSE BILL 59 AMENDED THE COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT TO REQUIRE THIS ELEMENT, AND IT CAME EFFECTIVE IN JULY, AND THEN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CURRENTLY HAS PROPERTY RIGHTS OBJECTIVES AND RELATED POLICIES.
HOUSE BILL 59 REQUIRED ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO BE INCLUDED, AND WE'VE DONE THAT BY ADDING AN ELEMENT CALLED ELEMENT I AND WE HAVE GOALS I1 WHICH IS STATEMENT OF PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THEN THESE OBJECTIVES ARE WHAT THE STATE -- THE STATE LAW REQUIRES. IT IS THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY
>> THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO PRIVACY AND TO EXCLUDE OTHERS FROM THE PROPERTY TO PROTECT OWNSER'S POSSESSIONS AND PROPERTIES AND THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO DISPOSE OF HIS OR HER PROPERTY THROUGH A SALE ORGAN.
THE EXISTING OBJECTIONIVE AND POLICIES THAT WE HAD IN THE CONFERENCE FOR PROPERTY RIGHTS, THOSE WERE MOVED OVER AND ARE
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NOW A PART GOAL I AND FOLLOWS SUIT WITH THAT AND NUMBED ACCORDINGLY. DIDN'T THESE CONFERENCE PLAN ELEMENTS, AS WELL AS SAYING THAT CONFERENCE PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT GO FORWARD AFTER JULY 1ST, THEN THOSE WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTED BY DEO AND THEY WOULD BE RETURNED TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND WE HAD CONFERENCE PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT WE NEEDED TO MOVE QUICKLY OR THEY WOULD BE DELAYED.AND THERE WERE NO COMMENTS FROM STATE AND REGIONAL AGENCIES AT THIS POINT AND WE DID RECEIVE LETTERS FROM THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL AND STAFF RECEIVED COMMENTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WORKED IN CONCERT WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF LAW SCHOOL TO DEVELOP THOSE AND I DID THINK THEY WERE GOOD AND THINGS LIKE A SUPER MAJORITY FOR SOME ASPECTS OF COUNTY BUSINESS AND I SAID MORE TRANSPARENCY AND I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT NONE OF THAT FOUND ITS WAY INTO WHAT NOW WE'RE ASKED TO VOTE ON FINAL,
THE FINAL VOTE. >> YES, SIR, WE'RE REQUIRED TO ADOPT WHAT THE STATE LAW SAYS AND SO THAT IS WHAT WE PUT INTO THIS ELEMENT AND THAT'S WHAT THE ONE THOUSAND FRIENDS AND FLORIDA SAID AND SOME OF THE THINGS THEY HAVE IN THEIR MODEL ARE POLICY DECISIONS OF OUR BOARD COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE DETERMINATIONS ON. I KNOW WERE WEREN'T REQUIRED TO ADOPT WHAT THEY PROPOSED AND THERE WERE ELEMENTS THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED AND GOOD SUGGESTIONS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPERTY RIGHT'S ELEMENTS AND SO, I'M JUST DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY WEREN'T AND THEY'RE A GOOD GROUP AND THEY DO A LOT OF GOOD IN TERMS OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND I KNOW
A LOT OF THEIR STAFF. >> IF I COULD COMMENT ON THAT.
THE MODEL WAS PROVIDED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY EXCISIONERS S AND THERE WAS FEEDBACK FROM COMMISSIONER DEAN THAT HE REVIEWED IT AND FELT THAT THE ST. JOHN'S COMMUNITY BILL OF RIGHTS PROVIDED PROTECTION. THERE WAS CONSIDERATION AND I THINK IN THE OVERALL CIRCUMSTANCE OF THE STATUTORY AMENDMENTS AND THE TIMING OF WHAT THE LEGISLATURE PLACED ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT CITIES AND COUNTIES TO ADOPT THE MANDATORY POLICY LANGUAGE AS A SEPARATE ELEMENT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE OR THE STATE WON'T PROCESS ANY COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENTS WAS DAUNTING AND SO MAYBE CONSIDER THAT THE THOUSAND FRIEND AND FLORIDA MODEL COULD BE ADOPTED SEPARATELY, IF YOU WILL AND, BASICALLY, IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T ADOPT THE STATE MANDATORY LANGUAGE, STARTING SEPTEMBER 21, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AMENDMENTS DELAYED AND DEVELOPMENT PERMITS DELAYED.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THE MODEL COULD NEVER BE CONSIDERED AGAIN, BUT, PERHAPS, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
>> I DO FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT LANE THAT THEY PUT IN THERE, BUT THEY DID STATE THAT THEIR LANGUAGE, MODEL LANGUAGE WAS IN
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FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE LEGISLATION, AS WELL.>> WELL, THEY STATED THAT, BUT I'VE TALKED WITH STAFF AT DEO AND THEY HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MODEL
LANGUAGE FROM THOUSAND FRIENDS. >> THAT'S BEEN SIX WEEKS OR SO SINKS THEY SINCE THEY PUT IT OUT.
>> I CHECKED WITH RAY EUBANKS TO SEE IF THEY'VE ADD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT AND THEY SAID THEY DID NOT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> DO WE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER
[Staff Reports: Next meeting is 10/7/21 with 10 items. ]
CARDS?>> SEEING NONE, WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION AND
MR. PETER? >> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2021-11 PROPERTY PLANS ELEMENT AS
PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND IN.
>> SECOND AMENDMENT AND ANY DISCUSSION, AND SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE. MOTION PASSES.
DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF REPORTS, MISS BISHOP?
>> NO, MA'AM, YOUR NEXT MEETING IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
>> TEN ITEMS. WE HAVE HEAVY AGENDAS LATELY.
>> IF I MAY, WHEN YOU'RE READY. >> I DO NEED TO MAKE A CORRECTION TO A STATEMENT I MADE REGARDING THE SILVER LEAF VOTE, THE 3-3 VOTE, ST. JOHN COUNTY HAS ITS OWN VERSIONS AND THERE IS CODE SECTION 8.01.03, WHICH SAYS THAT FAILURE T
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