[Call to Order by Chair] [00:00:11] >>> GOOD MORNING. WELCOME TO THISREGULAR MEETING OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSION BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS . THE MATERIALS FOR THIS MEETING AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER AGENDA AND MINUTES. ONCE YOU FIND THAT YOU CAN CLICK ON THE AGENDA ITEMS TO ACCESS ALL THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS. THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END OF EACH AGENDA ITEM AND AT THE END FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL CALL? >> CHAIR COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> PRESENT. >> MOISTURE AND REDEEM. >> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST. >> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> PRESENT. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL HAVE A INVOCATION BY PASTOR MIKE OF ANCHOR FAITH. GOOD MORNING. >> HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY AS THE BOOK OF PSALMS SAYS THIS IS A DAY THAT YOU HAVE MADE. WE REJOICE, WE ARE GLAD IN IT. WE THANK YOU SO MUCH, LORD, THAT WE GET TO COME TOGETHER FOR THIS COUNTY AND FOR THIS COMMUNITY IN THE MIDST OF ALL THAT IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD, WE THANK YOU IT IS IN YOUR WORD AND YOUR WORD ALONE WE CAN FIND GREAT PEACE. FATHER, GREAT SECURITY AND GREAT STABILITY. FATHER, WE ASK YOU FOR THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS COUNTY AS THIS MEETING TALKS ABOUT THE AGENDAS, THE ISSUES AND DIRECTION OF THIS COUNTY. WE THANK YOU FOR THE WISDOM OF GOD WE ASK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE TO HELP GUIDE THIS COUNTY FOR THE BEST DECISIONS FOR ITS FUTURE. WE PRAY FOR YOUR BLESSING AND FOR YOUR PROSPERITY OVER THIS COUNTY. IN THE MINDS, SPEAK TO THEIR LIPS, GIVE THEM CLARITY OF THOUGHT AND CLARITY OF MIND AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS TODAY, FATHER. WE PRAY THIS IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. >> IF YOU COULD PLEASE REMAIN STANDING WE WILL HEAR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY COMMANDER LARRY MOLD FROM THE SAINT AUGUSTINE BATTALION. >> GOOD MORNING. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU. NOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO [Proclamation Recognizing Joseph Henry Hankerson as St. Johns County's First Known African American Postmaster] THE PROCLAMATION RECLAMATION JOSEPH HENRY HANKERSON, SAINT JOE'S COUNTY FIRST KNOWN AFRICAN AMERICAN POSTMASTER. COMMISSIONER SMITH WILL LEAD US IN THIS. >> IS THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED, THE PROCLAMATION IS RECOGNIZING MR. JOSEPH AND HER HANKERSON OF ST. JOHN COUNTY FIRST KNOWN AFRICAN-AMERICAN POSTMASTER. PLEASE READ THIS INTO THE RECORD. WOULD LIKE TO BECOME FORWARD. PROCLAMATION BY THE COURT BOARD OFCOUNTY COMMISSIONERS . OR AS HE SERVED AS ST. JOHNS COUNTY FIRST KNOWN AFRICAN-AMERICAN POSTMASTER FROM 1915 TO 1918. NUMEROUS REVERENT HANKERSON WAS APPOINTED BY PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON AND SERVED IN THE COMMUNITY OF COKESBURY ALSO KNOWN AS ARMSTRONG UNTIL HE ENLISTED TO SERVE IN WORLD WAR I FROM JUNE AND WAS ESTABLISHED IN APPROXIMATELY 1886, ARMSTRONG IS ONE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY WILL IS AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITIES, WAS HOME TO MANY FAMILIES OF WEST AFRICAN DISSENT AND FORMS THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF CULTURAL HERITAGE. WHEREAS THE HANKERSON FAMILY HAVE LIVED, THRIVED AND CONTRIBUTED TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR GENERATIONS, THEREFORE BE PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA THE JOSEPH HENRY HANKERSON BE RECOGNIZED AS ST. JOHNS COUNTIES FIRST KNOWN AFRICAN-AMERICAN POSTMASTER AND OF THE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS OF RUG BURN HANKINSON AND HIS ASSISTANT DESCENDENTS BE HONORED BY ALL ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS. PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA THE 17TH DAY OF AUGUST 2021.CLERK OF COURT BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHN COUNTY FLORIDA SIGN JEREMIAH RATE BLOCKER, CHAIRMAN. >> ON BEHALF OF THE SAINT COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. [00:05:08] PLEASURE TO LISTEN TO ONE OF MY FAVORITE COUNTRY SONGS. IT'S CALLED FAMOUS FRIENDS. PI'M GLAD TO BE HERE TODAY WITH MY FAMOUS FRIENDS. AS NINTH GENERATION FLORIDIAN, I AM EXTREMELY HUMBLED BY MY GREAT GRANDFATHERS SERVICE. I'M EVEN MORE HUMBLED BY MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER SERVICE BECAUSE HE WAS PART OF A GROUP OF MINISTERS KNOWN AS THE FRIEDMANS BROKER IN PRESIDENT LINCOLN TO ESTABLISH EDUCATION FOR NEWLY FREED SLEEVES IT IS FREE MINUTE COLOR BEFORE THE WAR MY GRANDFATHER ATTENDED FLORIDA BAPTIST INSTITUTE FLORIDA BAPTIST INSTITUTE WAS ESTABLISHED BY A NUMBER OF BAPTIST MINISTERS COMMISSION WITH EDUCATED THE NEWLY FREED SLEEVES AND POOR WHITES. MY GREAT GRANDFATHER WHO AT THE TIME WAS IN TALLAHASSEE SERVED TWO TERMS AS PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA BAPTIST CONVENTION. IN THE LATE 1800S APPROVED THE EARLY 1900S. I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY THAT WONDERFUL UNIVERSITY THAT SADDAM WAS AUGUSTINE KNOWN WAS ALSO A PIECE OF OUR FAMILIES WORK. I AM ALWAYS HUMBLED AND AMAZED AT MY FAMILY'S EXCEPTIONAL HISTORY. ONE THING YOU WILL KNOW ABOUT ME, I NEVER THE RACE AND SLAVERY STORY. AM ALWAYS TALKING FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE BECAUSE IT IS GREAT AND EXCEPTIONAL STATE WAS IT ESTABLISHED IN 1513 IN THIS GREAT AND EXCEPTIONAL COUNTY WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1565 AND WE WERE SEEKING FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE. THANK YOU, GOD BLESS YOU, GOD BLESS THE CONSTITUTION THE OFFICERS, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, WONDERFUL CONSTITUTIONAL STAFF AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY STAFF. [CLAPPING] >> THANK YOU. [Acceptance of Proclamation] IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION. >> SO MOVED. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? [Public Safety Update] THANK YOU. NOW WE MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. JOEL, ASSISTANT CHIEF ST. JOHNS FIRE RESCUE PORTAL WAS A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. I WOULD LIKE TO START THE OPPORTUNITY BY BREACHING THE BOARD ON THE RESPONSE ACTIONS FOR THE MONTH OF JULY. AS EXPECTED, JULY IS PROVEN TO BE AN EVENTFUL MONTH WITH A TOTAL OF 8216 INCIDENTS TO REDO THOUSAND 727 OR EMERGENCY MEDICAL CALLS, 25 MORE CARDIAC ARRESTS AND PROUD TO SAY OF THE 25 CARDIAC ARRESTS WILL RETURN A PULSE TO ALL OF THEM, WHICH WAS MAGNIFICENT. ON THE FIRESIDE WE HAD 10 WORKING STRUCTURE FIRES, SEVEN VEHICLE FIRES AND A SPECIAL OPERATIONS DIVISION RAN 209 VEHICLE ACCIDENTS, 10 OF THE ACCIDENT IS REQUIRED UP AS EXTRICATION. WE HAD A PRETTY NASTY EXTRICATION ON THE INTERSTATE. I THINK THE INTERSTATE IS STILL CLOSED, UNFORTUNATELY. WE TO INCIDENTS OF VEHICLES VERSUS STRUCTURE AND TO WATERCRAFT ACCIDENTS. FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY THROUGH JULY ST. JOHN COUNTY FIRE RESCUE HAS NOTED AN 18 PERCENT INCREASE IN CALL VOLUME COMPARED TO THE SAME TIME FROM LASTYEAR . AND OF COURSE WE ARE INTO THE MOST ACTIVE PART OF THE HURRICANE SEASON AND ST. JOHN COUNTY RESCUE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR AND PREPARE TO MEET THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC. [00:10:02] AND REFLECTION OF ANOTHER IMPORTANT TOPIC WE ARE ALL STUNNED OVER THE WORLD IS TAKING US. IN JUST A FEW SHORT WEEKS ST. JOHNS COUNTY ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE NATION WILL PAUSE AND REFLECT ON THE DAY THAT FOREVER CHANGED HISTORY SEPTEMBER 11, 2001.SEPTEMBER 11, 2021 WILL MARK 20 YEARS FROM THE DAY THAT CHANGED THE WORLD. NO MATTER YOUR STORY, WE ARE ALL IMPACTED IN SOME WAY AND IT COULD'VE BEEN FOREVER TRANSFORMED BY THIS TRAGIC EVENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. AN EFFORT TO REMEMBER AND HONOR THOSE WHO SACRIFICE THEIR LIVES ON THIS DAY, ST. JOHNS COUNTY FIRE RESCUE WILL ISSUE MEMORIAL TEACHERS TO ALL FIRE RESCUE PERSONNEL, WHICH WILL BE APPROVED TO WEAR FOR THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER. IN ADDITION, WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS ONE OF THESE HISTORIC T-SHIRTS TO PROUDLY WEAR. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE AND THANK LIEUTENANT LUKE IN MIS FOR HIS EFFORTS TO DESIGN THE SHIRT AND IN APPRECIATION FOR HIS DEDICATION WORK WE CREATED THE SHADOWBOX FOR THE SHIRT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO HIM. LUKE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS IN THE SHIRT TO RECOGNIZE AND REMEMBER SUCH A SIGNIFICANT DAY IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. [CLAPPING] IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM. >> CHIEF, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL TODAY FOR YOUR SERVICE AS WELL AND REMIND EVERYONE WE STARTED BACK TO SCHOOL. WE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL IF YOU DON'T COUNT TRAFFIC. IT WILL TAKE US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR THAT TO KIND OF SETTLE OUT, BUT WE HAVE BEEN VERY BLESSED THERE'VE NOT BEEN ANY SERIOUS ISSUES AT THIS POINT IN TIME SO FAR. I WOULD ASK WE KEEP OUR TEACHERS, OUR STUDENTS, AND PARENTS AND EVERYBODY IN HER THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS DURING THIS FIRST WEEK. DOES A LOT TO GET USED TO, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCES, THERE HAVE BEEN TRAFFIC CHANGES, THERE BEEN ZONE CHANGES IN THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. LOOK OUT FOR THE BUSES, LOOK OUT FOR PEDESTRIANS IT IS IT PUT SOME OF THESE CARDS ON THE TABLE BACK THERE IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED THAT GIVES A LITTLE TUTORIAL ON KNOWING WHEN TO STOP FOR A BUS FOR THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCES WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A MULTILANE ROAD OR TWO LANE ROAD. AND ALSO, THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE GIVING OUT TO SOME FOLKS AND KAHLC:A TICKETS INITIALLY. WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE DO IT FOR A SECOND INFARCTION. BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE GETTING USED TO THE NEW ZONES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. OTHER THAN THAT, WE ARE DOING VERY WELL WITH OTHER THINGS IN THAT REGARD. OR JOE POPULATION THIS MORNING IS THAT FOR 10. WE ARE SENDING OUT A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS TO THE STATE THIS WEEK AND THAT IS GOING PRETTY WELL. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU GUYS? THANK YOU AGAIN AND YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT REST OF YOUR WEEK. >> JOE, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. I WANT TO PROVIDE A QUICK UPDATE. WE HAVE OPENED THE TESTING SITE PARTNER WITH NO ME HEALTH. I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE STATISTICS. OPEN YESTERDAY AND WE HAD 543 RESIDENTS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT SITE FOR YOU THE SITE IS OPEN FROM 7:00 A.M. TO 4:00 P.M. SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. AND THAT THE WIND MITIGATION BUILDING, WHICH IS 3111 AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE. THEY ARE OFFERING RAPID AND PCR TESTS BUT ALSO, NO APPOINTMENTS ARE NECESSARY, HOWEVER, PER REGISTRATION ISSTRONGLY ENCOURAGED . TO MAKE THE PROCESS GO FASTER. IT ALSO IS NO COST TO THE RESIDENCE OR THE COUNTY AND I AM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU WHEN YOU SAY NO COST TO THERESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? >> WE PARTNERED WITH NO ME HEALTH .THEY ARE BILLING THE [00:15:01] INSURANCE COMPANY OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR RESIDENTS THAT EITHER HAVE INSURANCE OR OTHER INSURED OR HAVE NO INSURANCE. AND FOR THE COUNTY PERSPECTIVE OF THIS, WHAT WE DID WAS PROVIDED IN MOU FOR THE SITE LOCATION BUT THERE IS NO COST TO THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE. >> WHO IS STAFFING THE SITE? >> NO ME HEALTH. THE ESC IS WORKING WITH THEM NEXT DOOR TO THEM. WE ARE PROVIDING ANY ASSISTANCE, BUT THEY ARE BEING STAFFED BY THE COMPANY! HOW ARE WE NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS? >> WE ARE DOING PRESS RELEASES OUTREACH. WE JUST STARTED MONDAY. YESTERDAY. SO WE WILL NOW GET A LITTLE MORE ACTIVE IN PUTTING THAT COMMUNICATION OUT. WEREN'T SURE EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE YESTERDAY AND ANOTHER WE CAN AND WITH THE NEED IS WILL PUT MORE COMMUNICATION EFFORTS TO IT. >> DO WE KNOW WHAT THE CAPACITY FOR TESTING IS? >> THEY ORIGINALLY EXPRESSED ABOUT 250 PER DAY, BUT THEY ENDED UP DOING 534 YESTERDAY WITH NO REAL ISSUE.HERE WAS NO LINE.WE WERE THERE AT 7:00 A.M. PROBABLY ABOUT 6:30 THERE WERE 30 PEOPLE IN LINE AND BY 7:30 LINE WAS GONE AND IT WAS A STEADY FLOW FROM THERE. NO TRAFFIC ISSUES. THE ROAD IS PRETTY LONG AND SO EVERYONE MADE IT OUT TO THE ROAD THEY WERE ABLE TO HANDLE THE PARKING LOT. I WOULD SAY500 PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER THAT THEY CAN HANDLE . >> THANK YOU. >> IF I COULD ASK WHEN, IS IT SORT OF A FIRST-COME FIRST-SERVED OR IS THERE AN APPOINTMENT OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> RIGHT NOW THEY ARE DOING WALK UPS WITH THEY CAN DO AND APPOINTMENTS. PER REGISTRATION IS THE SIMPLEST. WHAT WE SAW YESTERDAY THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE RIGHT AT 7:00, THE COMPANY WAS BASICALLY GIVEN A QR CODE THAT THEY CAN DO ON THE PHONE AND PREREGISTER ON THEIR PHONE WITHIN FIVE MINUTES AND WALK IN. [Consent Agenda] NO APPOINTMENT NECESSARY. PREREGISTRATION HIGHLY ENCOURAGED. >> THANK YOU. >> NOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA.ILL START WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> NONE. >> IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND [Regular Agenda] BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. VERYONE IN FAVOR PLEASE A AYE. THAT PASSES BUT MOVING INTO ADDITIONS ANDDELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. WILL START WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH . >> NO. >> I HAVE KNOWN AS WELL. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REGULAR AGENDA.> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, ITEM NUMBER 14 WHICH IS THE DEMOLITION LIEN ITEM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT COME OFF THE AGENDA. AT THIS POINT PERMANENTLY. JUST OFF THE AGENDA NUMBER 14. I WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD FOR ITEMS NINE AND 10 THEY ARE STILL ON THEIR. THEY WILL BE DECIDED 10 AND NINE AND THE SAME THING 11 AND 12 ON THERE BUT WILL BE DECIDED 12 AND 11. THINK YOU MR. CHAIR. >> IS THERE A REQUEST TO REMOVE AGENDA ITEM 14. IS THERE A MOTION? >> MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED. >> SECOND. >> MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN FORGET ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> THAT PASSES. [Public Comment (Part 1 of 2)] >> I THINK WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT UNDER CONSENTAGENDA . >> OKAY. WE WILL ALLOW THAT TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. GO AHEAD., NOT. >> I ASSUME YOU WANTED TO SPEAK TO ME, IS THAT CORRECT. >> ARE YOU HERE TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC,? >> NO, SIR. PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE CONSENT ITEMS WAS SKIPPED OVER. >> THE BOARD SHOULD ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THAT. >> GO AHEAD, MA'AM. >> BJ, MOST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BOARD CONSENT NUMBER 13. HOW MUCH DID THE COUNTY TAXPAYERS PAY THE SALVATION ARMY FOR 1850 STATE ROUTE 207. THE LEAST WITH HOME AGAIN FROM JULY 16 2021 TO OCTOBER 14, 2021 WAS NOT MENTION OF THE AUGUST 5, 2021 PCA WHEN THE ALLEGED NONPROFIT TURNSTONE REQUESTED A MAJOR MODIFICATION THE ORDINANCE 2015 Ã24. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THE HOMELESS NO LONGER HAVE ACCESS TO SHOWERS AT 1850 STATE ROAD 207. AND CONSENT NUMBER 21, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SPENT 46.1 MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT THE CARES ACT REIMBURSED COUNTY. [00:20:03] THEREFORE THE COUNTY IS AHEAD 46.$1 MILLION. >> THANK YOU. ! MR. CHAIR, PROCEDURALLY, I THINK IF THE BOARD WOULD CONSIDER TO REAFFIRM THE CONSENT AGENDA.> IS THERE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> AND MOVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. [1. Republic Services Presentation on Yard Waste Collection. Republic Services will provide an update for Commissioners and the public on the current status of Residential Yard Waste Collection in the north service area.] >> MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DEAN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.LL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> THE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY PARIS AND NOW WE MOVE INTO ITEM REQUEST A PUBLIC SERVICE PROVIDED PRESENTATION BECAUSE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ISSUES OR COMPLAINTS THE RESIDENCE ABOUT THE YARD WASTE COLLECTION. I APPRECIATE THEM COMING TODAY AND BRIEFING US ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS. >> GOOD MORNING.WHEN COMMISSIONER BLOCKER STATED, WE ARE APPEAR TO PRESENT AN UPDATE ON THE CURRENT YARD WASTE ISSUES IN THEIR ACTION ITEMS THEY ARE LOOKING TO ADDRESS. WE WANT TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF OUR SOLID WASTE PROGRAM PARIS BE OUTSOURCER RESIDENTIAL COLLECTION FOR YARD WASTE, HOUSEHOLD GARBAGE AND RECYCLING. WE HAVE TWO PROVIDERS, ONE TO THE NORTH WHICH IS REPUBLIC SERVICES WE HAVE EVENTS DISPOSAL TO THE SOUTH. WE HAVE MR. BILL BRINKLEY FROM THE GENERAL MANAGER FROM REPUBLIC SERVICES TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF FROM ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FOR BEING HERE. I MYSELF AM A ST. JOHN'S COUNT RESIDENT. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON . WE HAVE A SERVICE PROVIDED THROUGH MULTIPLE ENTITIES SINCE 1985. WE PROVIDE SERVICE TO 63,239 HOMES, HOUSEHOLD GARBAGE SCHOOL, RECYCLED YARD WASTE AND APPLIANCES SCHEDULED. LEAVES 158,868 SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES A MONTH FOR THAT IS HOW MANY TIMES WE ARE DRIVING BY HOMES IN A MONTH. JUST TO BACK UP A BIT, WE LOOK AT YARD WASTE AS WE CALL IT MARCH MADNESS. IT TYPICALLY CRANKS UP AROUND THE BASKETBALL TERMINATE SO WE DUBBED IT MARCH MADNESS IN LATE FEBRUARY INTO MARCH. WE DO NOT HAVE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCKS THAT WORK ON A FULL-TIME BASIS BECAUSE MARCH MADNESS LASTS FROM MARCH THROUGH SEPTEMBER AND YARD WASTE SUBSIDES A BIT. SO THIS YEAR EARLIER ON IN MARCH WHEN MARCH MADNESS HIT, THE LABOR CHALLENGES HIT. WE USE THREE NOW. WITH INCREASED WAGES WITHIN. BUT WE ORDER OUR LABOR AND WE WOULD BE LUCKY TO GET 10 OR 15 OR 20PERCENT TO SHOW UP . THAT CALLS US REALLY BIG TIME STRUGGLES. AND MAY ROLLS AROUND IN THE PANDEMIC SPIKED AGAIN AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAD FOLKS GOING OUT ON COVID AGAIN. SO IT HAS BEEN A GRIND. OUR GOAL AND OUR PLAN THE ENTIRE TEAM IS NEVER LEAVE GARBAGE ON THE GROUND WOULD NEVER LEAVE RECYCLE ON THE GIRLHOOD YARD WASTE UNFORTUNATELY HAS TAKEN THE HIT WILL RUN EIGHT ROUTES A DAY. WE ARE RUNNING FOUR ROUTES A DAY. WE ARE INCENTIVIZING OUR DRIVERS TO SPOT BONUSES TO COME IN ON SATURDAYS AND TO WORK TO HELP GET CAUGHT UP . USE OF THE DIVISIONS OF MIND TO SEND IN ON SATURDAYS AS WELL. BUT WITH THE SPIKE IN BUT WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THAT EXTRA RESOURCE AVAILABLE. SO WE ARE CURRENT ON EVERYTHING WITH THE EXCEPTION YARD WASTE WE ARE RUNNING 7 TO 10 DAYS BEHIND. WHAT WE HAVE DONE THROUGHOUT ALL THIS IS WE TYPICALLY GET IT OUR TIME. THE SON WE CONTRACTED COMPANIES LIKE KINSEY, GASTON AND THEY HAVE GONE OUT AND BEEN A HUGE HELP ON THE LARGE YARD WASTE. YARD WASTE IS UNLIMITED SO THEY BRING THEIR TRUCKS OUT THERE AND GET IT. WE RECENTLY THE ROAD AND BRIDGES HAD COME OUT HELPING US CLEAN UP ROSCOE THIS PAST FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AGAIN, WE ADDED 1/10 COMPANY. WE ADDED A CLERK, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, AND AN ADDITIONAL FUNDER THAT WILL SHARE AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS YARD WASTE ISSUES THEY CAN CALL THAT NUMBER AND WE CAN WORK THROUGH THEIR SCHEDULE WITH THEM AND LET THEM KNOW. WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID ZIGZAGGING THROUGH THE COUNTY THAT WAY WE WON'T FALL FURTHER BEHIND. WE ARE TRYING TO STICK TO OUR SCHEDULE AS IS RIGHT NOW. AND THEN WE HAVE PROVIDED THE YARD WASTE DROP FACILITY AT OUR SITE AT 4:45 REPUBLIC DRIVE OR FOLKS WANT TO BRING IT UP THERE THEY CAN AND STAFF.F THEY CAN DROP IT OFF THERE. WE HAVE PROBABLY COLLECTED 40 TONS OF MATERIALS SINCE WE PUT IT OUT THERE A MONTH AGO. AND I APOLOGIZE IF THE [00:25:14] RESIDENCE HAPPEN TO BRING IT UP THERE. AND IS AN OPPORTUNE SOLUTION FOR THERE ARE SOME ENJOYS TALKING TO US ABOUT PUTTING OUT A CONTAINER IN THEIR AREA SO RESIDENTS CAN DUMP IN THERE AND GET IT OUT OF THE FRONT YARD. WE ALSO HAVE A JOB FAIR ON SITE THIS SATURDAY AND SO FAR WE HAVE 10 FOLKS SIGNED UP FOR THAT.E ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND IS GOING TO COMBINE WITH ANOTHER PLAN I WILL SHARE WITH YOU SHORTLY. HERE'S A PHOTO OF THE YARD WASTE DROP SITE. WE HAVE A TRUCK PARKED OUT THERE THAT WE CAN LOAD AND COMPACTED AND WE HAVE A CONTAINER AS WELL. THAT HAS BEEN WORKING WELL. IT IS OUR PLAN FOR IT I CAN'T RUB A LAMP AND SAY I'M GOING TO HAVE EVERYONE STUFFED AND READY TO GO BY NEXT MONDAY, BUT I DO KNOW OCTOBER 1 I HAVE 12 DRIVERS AND TWO HELPERS, THOSE OF THE FOLKS ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCK, THAT WILL BE TRANSFERRING DOWN TO OUR SEABOARD OFFICE OCTOBER 1 FROM JACKSONVILLE BILLION ACTUALLY HAVE ONE SET OF RAISED THEIR HANDS THAT WANT TO COME DOWN PAREN I CHALLENGE MY OFFICER MANAGER TO FIGURE OUT A WAY BECAUSE I MIGHT HAVE THREE OR FOUR MORE COMING DOWN. AND WE WILL JUST BE OVERSTAFFED, I WILL BE FINE WITH THAT. A MAJORITY OF OUR RIGHTS ROUTES WILL BE DRIVER DRIVER TEAMS. THE BEAUTY OF THAT WOULD BE IF A DRIVER HAPPENED TO CALL OUT WE COULD PUT THE LABOR ON THE BACK AND STILL RUN THAT ROUTE. THAT'S THE GOAL. DRIVER DRIVER TEAMS. AND OUR PLAN IS BASICALLY TO REMAIN OVERSTOCKED. I ALREADY TOLD MY HIERARCHY THAT THEY ARE FINE WITH IT. AND BE AVAILABLE TO THE SYSTEM AND OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY OR ANYWHERE WE NEEDED. THAT WILL TAKE EFFECT OCTOBER 1. AGAIN, YARD WASTE ISSUES 904, 342-4473 THAT WILL RING DIRECTLY TO US AND OUR FOLKS WILL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHEN WE CAN COME OUT THERE AND HELP YOU OUT. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. I APPRECIATE GREG AND HIS TEAM IN THE PARTNERSHIP AND IS WORKING TOGETHER. WE HAVEN'T SAT BACK AND LET THIS TAKE THIS DOWN. WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TRY TO STAY AHEAD OF IT AND OVERCOME IT AND MAKE SURE THE GARBAGE RECYCLE IS PICKED UP AS WELL. >> THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD? COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >>CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: OBVIOUSLY IN MY DISTRICT YOU GUYS ARE A PROVIDER WHO WOULD I AM ANSWERING SEVERAL CALLS OR EMAILS A DAY. IS A COMMON THEME IN HEARING FROM RESIDENTS IN OUR DISTRICT IS IT WE DON'T GET SERVICES, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THE FEE. AND I KNOW AND YOU KNOW IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY THEY ARE ASKING FOR. THERE JUST EXPRESSING THEIR FRUSTRATION PUT WHAT HE SAID RESIDENCE WHEN THEY SAY IF I'M NOT GETTING THE SERVICE I DON'T WANT TO PAY THIS MONEY FOR THE SERVICE. >> COVID-19 HAS BEEN A WORLDWIDE THING. UNTIL THE NATIONAL PANDEMIC AND THERE IS A CLAUSE I FEEL IS IN PLACE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS OUTSIDEOUR CONTROL DAY TODAY. I WOULD ASK FOR PATIENTS. AND AGAIN, WE ARE GETTING YOUR GARBAGE AND RECYCLE IT PLEASE, JUST CALL THAT NUMBER. AND WE CAN WORK THAT OUT BUT IF YOU GUYS CAN POST THAT NUMBER ON YOUR SITES OR WHATEVER. THE PATIENT'S. 2-44 DAYS WE GET TO OCTOBER 1 AND I WILL BE OVERSTAFFED AT MY DIVISION IN SAINT AUGUSTINE PREVENT. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER DEAN? >>HENRY DEAN: SHORT OF A COMMONER OBSERVATION THAT WE HAVE HAD SO MUCH DIFFICULTY OVER THE LAST YEAR OF HALF AS A NATION, AS A STATE THAT WITH COVID-19. THERE ARE DIFFERENT ISSUES AT PLAY, BUT THEY ALL ADD UP TO SIMILAR PROBLEMS ACROSS THIS WHOLE NATION WITH LABOR SUPPLY SHORTAGES AND THE PROBLEMS IT HAS CREATED . THE PROBLEM WE SORTED FACE THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHER PROBLEMS LIKE IF RESTAURANTS CAN'T HIRE WAITERS AND THEY CLOSED DOWN WITH THOSE OF US WHO WANT TO GO OUT CAN FIND A RESTAURANT THAT IS OPEN. BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE YARD TRASH PICKUP. IT IS SORT OF A FIRST WORLD PROBLEM. IT'S NOT 1/3 WORLD PROBLEM. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE BASICALLY UNLESS THEY HIRE THEIR OWN TRUCK. AND IS GENERATED A LOT OF ANGST WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS WE ARE HAVING, INDIVIDUALS ARE HAVING AND WE CAN EVEN GET ARI YOUR TRASH PICKED UP. SO I HOPE YOU CAN APPRECIATE US AS COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THEY ARE PAYING FOR THROUGH YOU BECAUSE THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD ALTERNATIVE LIKE I WOULD IF I WANT TO GO TO ANOTHER RESTAURANT THAT HAPPENS TO BE OPEN. I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE BUT IT DOES. WE ARE AVERAGING SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THE AMOUNT OF TONNAGE IS WE HAVE PICKED UP LAST YEAR THIS TIME. THEY ARE GETTING PICKED UP, WE HAVE TO GET BACK ON THAT SCHEDULE AND THAT WILL HELPRUN EIGHT TRUCKS A DAY . >> I APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN READING THIS PLAN PHOTO WILL NOT GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS AS COMMISSIONER [00:30:01] WHITEHURST POINTED OUT. THIS IS A DAILY PHONE CALL, EMAIL, RESIDENTS ARE PAYING FOR THE SERVICE. THEY EXPECT TO SEE A RETURN ON THEM, WHICH I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL. IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE RESIDENTS AND TRUSTS ARE LOOKED AFTER. WE WILL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THIS. WE WILL LOOK FOR ONGOING UPDATES FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM COMMIT TO MR. CALDWELL. AND WE HOPE THIS GETS RESOLVED QUICKLY. I HOPE THIS IS RESOLVED BEFORE OCTOBER. BECAUSE I THINK RESIDENTIAL COUNTY FOR THIS AND THEY EXPECT A CERTAIN RETURN ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCLUDING COMMENTS OR ANYTHING FURTHER TO SHARE? >> THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS WE ARE FOLLOWING OUR CONTRACT RIGHT NOW. WE MADE THE PUBLIC AWARE OF WHAT THE LOTS IN THE CONTRACT MAKING SURE THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONTRACT. WE ARE WORKING WITH MAKING SURE THINGS ARE DOCUMENTED AT THIS TIME FOR THEIR WORKING TO RESPOND AS PER THE CONTRACT AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT UNTIL WE ARE UP AND RUNNING FOR THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS GETTING SERVICE BACKUP AND THE SECOND IS MAKING SURE WE FOLLOW THROUGH ON OUR CONTRACT OBLIGATIONS. >> ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? WHY DO WE OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS NOT AN ACTION ITEM, BUT LET'S GIVE THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY. >> WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 1. PUBLIC COMMENT. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> GOOD MORNING GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS WILLIAM FISHER 1130 BATEMAN AVENUE THROUGH THE RESIDENTS AND FLAG NEW STATES DON'T REALLY HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THE CONTRACTORS PICKING UP THE YARD WASTE AND OUR GARBAGE. THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THE INDEPENDENT YARD WASTE PEOPLE, LAWNMOWERS, TREE CUTTERS, THEY ARE HAULING THEIR WASTE BY THE TRUCKLOAD THROUGH FLAGLER STATES TO FLAGLER COUNTY. THEY WANT TO ACROSS THE COUNTY LINE AND DUMP IT. AND THEN THEY ARE COMING BACK OUTGOING AND GETTING ANOTHER LOAN. NOW, I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AND I TOOK SOME PICTURES BUT THEN I BROUGHT MY CELL PHONE AND RUIN THEM. AND THERE IS JUNK CARS OUT THERE, AND JUNK TRUCKS, YARD WASTE, BOATS, OUTBOARD MOTORS AND HOUSEHOLD GARBAGE LAYING OUT THERE. I HAVE BEEN TO FLAGLER COUNTY COMMISSIONS MEETING AND TALK TO THE SHERIFF IN THE ZONE MANAGEMENT PEOPLE. AND THEY WANT TO SEND TO DEPUTIES TO FLAGLER STATES SO THEY CAN GO OUT THERE ON WEEKENDS. AND I HAVE AGREED WITH IT. I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. WILL PUT UP A SHED TO KEEP A COUPLE FOR WILLISON IS SO THEY CAN PATROL. AND THINK OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO ENFORCE THE TRUCKS AND TRAILERS GOING OUT THEIR PART ESPECIALLY TRAILERS THAT DON'T HAVE A LICENSE PLATE ON IT. THEY NEED TO ENFORCE IT. THAT IS ALL I HAVE GOT TO SAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR. >> CHUCK, 1748 NORTH BOTERO. WE ARE IN THE COMMUNITY AND I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER SMITH AS WELL AS THE COUNTY STAFF FOR THE QUICK RESPONSE IN REGARDS TO THE YARD WASTE PICKUP. WE HAVE MAJOR ISSUES IN THERE AND EVERYBODY HAS TO CALL IN, WHICH DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO CALL IN AND THEY WON'T TAKE THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. I'M STILL WAITING FOR A RESPONSE BACK FROM THEM. IN REGARDS TO THE ISSUE. WE ARE TRYING TO SAY THEM THE NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS BUT IS 959 HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY. IN THE PUBLIC AND NOT STEP UP ENOUGH PEOPLE TO TAKE ALL THE SCHOOLS. AGAIN, THE ONLY THING I ASK IS COMMUNICATION BETWEEN REPUBLIC AND THE HOMEOWNERS IN OUR COMMUNITY. >> IF YOU COULD HAVE SOMEONE IN YOUR TEAM GET WITH HIM? OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. GOOD MORNING, SIR. >> MY NAME IS ROBERT HEINZ. ADDRESSES 316 ST. JOHN'S GULF DRIVE. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE LATENESS OF THE PICK UP A YARD WASTE IS NOT JUST AN INCONVENIENT . AND POEMS TRIMMED ON THE FOURTH OF THE MONTH THERE THAT IS A WEDNESDAY BECAUSE OUR PICKUP DATE IS THURSDAY BUT EXPECTED TO BE PICKED UP ON THE FIFTH WITH NUMEROUS PHONE CALLS I MADE THE SOLID WASTE. BOTTOM LINE, THE YARD WASTE WAS PICKED UP YESTERDAY. AS A RESULT, THE FRONT PART OF MY YARD, MY LAWN, IS WASTED. I HAD PICTURES I PROVIDED TO COMMISSIONER SMITH TO SHOW THE [00:35:05] CONDITION OF MY YARD. AND IS GOING TO COST ME A LOT OF MONEY TO RESTORE THAT. IS NOT JUST AN INCONVENIENCE WAITING FOR THE WORK TO BE DONE, BUT IT IS COSTLY BESIDES THE INVESTIGATING. SPOKE FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 1? FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU. HOPE YOU AND YOUR TEAM WOULD CONTINUE TO MAKE THOSE EFFORTS. OU HAVE HEARD SOME COMMENTS TODAY. PLEASE HAVE YOUR TEAM AND THIS GENTLEMAN AS WELL. SAME FOR OUR TEAM WITH THE COUNTY. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY MAKE A COMMENT.FOR MR. BRINKLEY, YOU MAY BE DOING THIS TO SOME EXTENT ALREADY ON SOME ISSUES, BUT MIRABELLA CERTAINLY ONE SUBDIVISION. THERE ARE A LOT HOA IS IN THE COUNTY, THE COMMUNITIES, I THINK THERE IS A HANDFUL OF MANAGEMENT COMPANIES THAT DO THOSE. IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK IT WOULD BE IDEAL IF THE BULK OF HOA AND COMMUNITIES IN THE COUNTY GET THE SORT OF THE SAME COMMUNICATION. I WANT TO EXPAND THAT. >> JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH HOA SEER. AND TRYING TO GET THAT MESSAGE OUT TO THEM AND PUT SOME CONTAINERS HELD. WE WILL CONTINUE TO PUSH IT BACK. >> PLEASE GIVE MR. HEINZ. THANK YOU. [2. Public Hearing * COMPAMD 2020-02 Adler Creek (Transmittal). Transmittal hearing for COMPAMD 2020-02 Adler Creek Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the Future Land Use Map designation from Rural/Silviculture (R/S) and Parks and Recreation to Residential-C and Conservation (CV) with a Text Policy Amendment limiting the residential dwelling units to 1,682 for approximately 733 acres. There is no non-residential proposed with this amendment. The property is located east of Pacetti Road, south of Scaff Road and west of the future CR 2209 (St. Johns Parkway). The Planning and Zoning Agency recommended the proposed amendment be transmitted with 4-2 vote. The Agency discussed the construction of CR 2209, Adler Creek Parkway, density of the project in relation to the surrounding area, and drainage in the area.] ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD OKAY, THINK IT. WE WILL MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, A PUBLIC HEARING ON COMPLIMENT 2020 Ã02 ADLER CREEK FOR TRANSMITTAL. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIR: COMMISSIONERS, GOOD TO SEE YOU THIS MORNING. ELLEN AVERY-SMITH 100 WHAT STONE PLACE SAINT AUGUSTINE. AND I AM HERE FOR THE ADLER CREEK COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION. BEFORE I GET STARTED BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION IN THE AUDIENCE, THIS PROPERTY I'M GOING TO FLIP TO IS OWNED BY THE PACETTI FAMILY.AND SOME MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY ARE HERE IN CASE ANY QUESTIONS COME UP FOR THEM. ALSO, THE CONTRACT WHERE PURCHASER IS EASEL AND DEVELOPMENT LANCASTER AND JOHN DODSON ARE HERE FROM EASTLAND IN CASE THEY NEED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE ALSO HAVE BRAD DAVIS WHO IS THE PROJECT PLANNING AND ENGINEERING FIRM. JASON MILTON FROM BIOTECH, WHICH IS THE PROJECT ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTING FIRM. AND THEN RUSSIA FROM SINGULAR TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS IN CASE ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES,. WE HAVE OUR WHOLE TEAM TO ANSWER WITH OTHER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION. BY WAY OF BACKGROUND THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTH OF STATE ROAD 16 AND EAST THE PACETTI ROAD. THIS IS THE TURNBULL CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OR THROUGH THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY OR THE PROPERTY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS 733 ACRES. WE ARE HONESTLY LEFT THE PACETTI HOMESTEAD, WHICH IS ABOUT 20 ACRES OUT OF THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND FILE A SMALL PLANET COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENT FOR THE PACETTI HOMESTEAD. AGAIN, ON THIS MAP IT 733 ACRES, NOT 753 ACRES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY THE SUBJECT OF THIS APPLICATION. AGAIN, THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TRANSMITTAL HERE IN THE PROPOSAL IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS TO BOTH CONSERVATION THE DIMENSION TURNBULL CREEK EARLIER. AND SO 131 ACRES OF THE 733 WILL BE PUT IN THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR PRESERVATION AND RESIDENTIAL SEE WILL BE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE OTHER 602 ACRES. THERE IS A COMPANION TEXT AMENDMENT, WHICH LIMITS THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MAXIMUM OF 1682 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS. THIS AMENDMENT ALSO PROPOSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A COLLECTOR ROAD TO THE PROPERTY TO CONNECT FROM STATE ROAD DOWN TO PACETTI ROAD BEREA THAT WILL INCLUDE IN APPROXIMATELY ONE MILE PORTION OF COUNTY ROAD 2209 S. THE STATE ROAD 16 THAT WILL CONNECT TO ANOTHER PUBLIC COLLECTOR ROAD THAT WILL BE CALLED ADLER CREEK PARKWAY THAT WILL CONNECT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PACETTI ROAD. [00:40:03] ALSO WE ARE TALKING TO THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT THE DEDICATION OF 100 ACRE I SCHOOL SITE.HE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE PROPERTY IS ORAL SILVICULTURE. YOU SEE THAT ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HERE. THEY ALSO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT FOR PARAMETERS WERE DEVELOPMENT TRENDS IN THE PROPERTY IN THE SURROUNDING AREA WITH THE SAME JONES CRI. POCKETS OF RESIDENTIAL SEE AND BE IN A. THIS IS THE COUNTIES NOT ONLY TIME ROLE PARK BUT TURNBULL REGIONAL OFF-SITE MITIGATION AREA OVER THAT IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROPERTY OWNED BY THE COUNTY. AND IS A MIXED-USE DISTRICT. ALSO, THIS LAND IS PART OF THE STAR FOR RANCH AND MITIGATION BANK AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER MITIGATION THAT RUNS DOWN IN THIS AREA. IS GOING TO THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL SEE FOR THE MOSTLY UPLAND PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE CONSERVATION LAND USE CODE DOWN THE EASTERN EDGE AND ITS ASSOCIATED WHAT LOOMS ARE WILL LIVE. YOU SEE MITIGATION BANKS COME DOWN TO THIS WILL FLOW FROM THE COUNTIES DOWN THROUGH TURNBULL CREEK AND DOWN THROUGH THIS MITIGATION BANK AS WELL. TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD WEDE NETWORK, THE PROPOSAL FOR TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION IS TO BUILD A COUNTY ROAD. THEY ARE TAKING ON THE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF BUILDING THIS ONE-MILE SEGMENT OF COUNTY ROAD 209 TO THIS LOCATION AND THEN BUILDING ANOTHER PUBLIC ROAD TO BE CALLED ADLER CREEK PARKWAY DOWN TO THE COUNTIES PROPERTY, DOWN TO THE ADLER CREEK PROPERTY TO CONNECT TO PACETTI ROAD. THERE WILL ALSO BE SIGNALED AS ASIAN WHEN WARRANTED AT THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROAD 16 AND 2209. SO THE PROJECT PROPOSES TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT PERMIT AND CONSTRUCT ONE MILE OF THE COUNTY ROAD 2209. THAT IS ABOUT 7.$4 MILLION COS . THEN ALSO TO CONSTRUCT ANOTHER PUBLIC ROAD OF APPROXIMATELY THREE MILES LONG THAT WILL BE CALLED ADLER CREEK PARKWAY THROUGH BOTH OF THOSE ROADWAYS WILL BE TOO LINK COLLECTOR ROAD FOR THE COST OF ADLER CREEK PARKWAY IS 15.$5 MILLION BILLION SO THE TOTAL BUDGET CONSTRUCTION COST FOR THIS COLLECTOR ROAD, WHICH WILL AGAIN BE A COUNTY ROAD, IS ALMOST $23 MILLION.THERE WILL BE NO RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS OFF ADLER CREEK PARKWAY OR 2209. THIS IS A TRUE COLLECTOR ROAD. SO THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN ADLER CREEK WILL ACCESS OFF ADLER CREEK PARKWAY AND WILL HAVE, I WILL CALL THEM SPINE ROADS, THAT RADIATE INTO THOSE DEVELOPMENT AREAS IN THOSE HOMES WILL BE SERVED WITH DRIVEWAYS OFF OFTHOSE LOCAL ROADS .ALSO ALONG THIS COLLECTOR ROAD THERE WILL BE A 12 FOOT MULTIPURPOSE PATH SO PEOPLE CAN RUN, BIKE OR WHATEVER ALONG THAT ROAD THE ENTIRE FOUR MILES. WE CAN ALL JOIN INTO THAT HOPEFULLY ONE DAY. AND AGAIN, BUT THESE ROADS WILL BE BUILT BY ADLER CREEK AND ADLER CREEK WOULD LIKE EITHER PRECEDED THE OR HOA TO HELP PAY THE COST OF MAINTAINING THESE ROADS WHITES AWAY. SINCE MOST OF THE ROAD WILL RUN THROUGH ADLER CREEK. AGAIN, GOING TO THE TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION, THE PROJECT IS TOLD ABOUT $5 MILLION. WILL GET ABOUT HOLD UP FIVE VILLAGE DOLLARS AND PROPORTIONATE SHARE CREDIT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT BUT ALMOST $23MILLION IN ROADS . THAT GIVES CREDIT TO 33 PERCENT OF ADLER CREEK PARKWAY AND A PORTION OF COUNTY ROAD 2209 AT 100 PERCENT ORGAN THE ESTIMATED PROPORTIONED CHAIR FOR THE PROJECT BASED ON STAFF CALCULATIONS IS ABOUT 11.6 MILLION DOLLARS IT AGAIN, PAYING MORE THAN THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE. WITH RESPECT TO THE SCHOOL SITE, YOU WILL SEE IT CONNECTS TO STATE ROAD 16 ON THE EAST. IT GOES THROUGH JUST NORTH OF THE STAR FOR RANCH. THIS IS GRAND OAKS AND CONNECTS TO THE FUTURE QUARTER 2209 WHEN IT GETS EXTENDED DOWN TO 208. AND WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT THE SITE. THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE SITE. THEY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT TIMING WISE WHEN THEY CAN AFFORD TO BUILD ANOTHER HIGH SCHOOL PARIS THAT'S AN ONGOING DISCUSSION AND THAT SITE WILL BE HELD IN RESERVE TO THE SCHOOL BOARD UNTIL THEY MAKE THAT DECISION FOR AS LONG AS TWO YEARS. THAT IS A PLEDGE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER. [00:45:01] AGAIN, THE HIGH SCHOOL SITE WILL BE RESERVED. AND LOSS OF CONNECTION TO STATE ROAD 16 AND 2209 FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR BUT IN THIS PROJECT WILL PAY ABOUT 26.$5 MILLION IN SCHOOL PROPORTIONATE SCARE Ã SHARE AND SCHOOL IMPACT FEES. AND GOING TO SHOW YOU HERE IS A PULMONARY CONCEPT PLAN TO REDUCE THE ADLER CREEK PARKWAY CONNECTING TO THE PROPERTY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PACETTI ROAD SO IT CAN ACT AS A RELIEVER FOR THIS SECTION AND OTHERS WHO COME ONTO 08 AND DON'T WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE INTERSECTION OF 16 PACETTI ROAD AND IDP. SOMETIMES THAT INTERSECTION CAN BE CONGESTION, PARTICULARLY NOW THAT YOU HAVE TWO SCHOOLS. ONE HIGH SCHOOL IN ONE K-8 AND THAT INTERSECTION. YOU ALSO SEE THE PRESERVATION OF THE WETLAND ASSOCIATED WITH TURNBULL CREEK REDUCING THE PRESERVATION OF WETLANDS INTERIOR TO THE SITE AND YOU SEE THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE AS FAR AS BUFFERING FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT EXIST ROOM SO ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE WE DISCUSSED THE 131 ACRES SET ASIDE IN THE CONSERVATION FUTURE LAND USE THAT WILL PRESERVE THAT CORRIDOR NOT ONLY FOR WETLANDS BUT FOR WILDLIFE IT ALSO, ANOTHER 90 OR SO ACRES WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE PRESERVED. THERE ARE EXISTING ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES. WE WON'T TALK ABOUT THE LOCATIONS BECAUSE THOSE NEED TO BE PROTECTED. BUT THEY WILL BEPRESERVED AS WELL WITHIN THE SITES . WE ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION DURING OUR COMMUNITY MEETING AND AFTERWARDS ABOUT DENSITY IN THIS REQUEST FOR RESIDENTIAL SEE THE REAL SO I POINT OUT AGAIN 130 ACRES ARE BEING SET ASIDE IN CONSERVATION LAND USE. SO THAT CANNOT BE USED BY THE DEVELOPER FOR HOMES. AND ALSO, THERE HAVE BEEN 90 ACRES WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION THAT ARE PRESERVED WETLANDS. TAKING PORTIONS IN SETTING IT ASIDE TO MAKE A BETTER COMMUNITY.SO WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT AGAIN THE DENSITY AND OTHER AREAS. WE LOOKED AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP A FEW MINUTES AGO AND YOU SAW HER SOME OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT PROPERTIESARE RESIDENTIAL BE . YOU SEE THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. WE TALK ABOUT MARBELLA, WE TALK ABOUT GRAND LAKE. THIS IS THE PACETTI PROPERTY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. THIS IS THE IMMEDIATELY CONTIGUOUS NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU SEE IN BOTH OF THESE THAT DID THIS FULLY DEVELOPED. OF LOTS, STORMWATER PONDS AND THAT KIND OF THING BUT NOT THE ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION LANDS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND THESE LANDS ARE TWO UNITS PER ACRE.E ARE TALKINGABOUT 3.3.3.4 UNITS PER ACRE , NET ACRE WITHIN ADLER CREEK.E HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO GOTTEN FOLLOW-UP EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH RESPECT TO GRAND LAKE IN THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO MY MAP HERE. SO THIS IS GRAND LAKE. THIS IS THE GRAND LAKE COMMUNITY. YOU ALL KNOW THAT ALL PROJECTS. BECAUSE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGES ALONG ALL THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY. SO WE HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WITHIN GRAND LAKE TALK ABOUT THEIR BUFFER BECAUSE THEY HAVE A 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE ON THEIR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE. BUT THAT DEVELOPMENT EDGE HAS BEEN CLEARED. THERE IS NO VEGETATION IN IT. SO WE TALK TO THEM ON THE ADLER CREEK SIDE, INCREASING THE ADLER CREEK DEVELOPMENT EDGE FROM 35 FEET TO 50 FEET. SO THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 85 FEET BETWEEN THE HOMES AND GRAND LAKE IN ANY HOME AND ADLER CREEK. IN LANCASTER HAS SPOKEN OR IS IN CONTACT WITH THE HOA ABOUT PROVIDING FUNDING FOR THEM TO PLANT PINE TREES OR SOME OTHER VEGETATION WITHIN THEIR 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE BECAUSE IT IS VACANT LAND. THE VEGETATION DOES NOT EXIST TODAY. WE ALSO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT NO INTERCONNECTION WITH EITHER GRAND LAKE BECAUSE THERE WAS ONLY MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND PROPOSED INTERCONNECTION. UNTIL WE TALK TO THEM ABOUT NO INTERCONNECTION BETWEEN GRAND LAKE AND ADLER CREEK. ALL THE FOLKS ON SCAFFOLD WERE VERY CLEAR THAT THEY DID NOT WANT THE PROPERTY TO ACCESS SKAFF ROAD, WHICH IS A NARROW COUNTY ROAD. IS NOT UP TO COUNTY STANDARDS. LINCOLN, ADLER CREEK AGREED NOT TO CONNECT DOWN SKAFF ROAD IN ANY MANNER.SINCE A COMMUNITY MEETING WE HEARD FROM A COUPLE [00:50:03] OF RESIDENTS ALONG STAFF ROAD AND WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH THEM TODAY IF THEY ARE HERE THAT THERE WILL BE THAT 50 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE THAT WILL GO ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY. NOT JUST ADJACENT TO GROUND LAKE, BUT ADJACENT TO THOSE Ã I'M GOING TO CALL THEM THE HORSE FARMS ON SKAFF ROAD. SO THEY WILL BE MORE BUFFERED TO PROVIDE BETTER CONSISTENCY AND COMPATIBILITY WITH ADLER CREEK. AND THEN I THINK MORGAN OLDS IS IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY AND SHE WILL COME UP TO SPEED. SHE HAS HAD DRAINAGE PROBLEMS, APPARENTLY. SO MR. LANCASTER TOLD HER YOU WILL MEET HER OUT ON THE SITE. AND IF HE CAN HELP HER WITH WHATEVER DRAINAGE PROBLEM SHE IS EXPERIENCING FOR HER HORSE FORM THAT HE WILL DO SO WITHIN THAT PROJECT. AGAIN, TRYING TO TAKE WHAT WE HEARD AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND TRANSLATING IT INTO BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. I GUESS THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT. AS FAR AS THE ECONOMIC SO WE CAN GO INTO THIS IN MORE DETAIL IF YOU LIKE PER THE TOTAL ESTIMATED IMPACT FEES. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOT ONLY ROAD IN SCHOOL, BUT FIRE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IS ABOUT 34.2 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS PROJECT FOR THE ESTIMATED PROPERTY TAXES ASSUMING OF HOME VALUE OF $312,000 IS ABOUT 4.$8 MILLION PER YEAR FOR THE COUNTY. THAT IS ONLY THE LOCAL TAXES FOR THE COUNTY ROADS AND THE LOCAL SCHOOLBOARD . NOT ANY OF THE STATE RELATED TAXES OVER THE PROJECT PUBLIC BENEFIT. AGAIN, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION. WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT IT IF YOU WANT TO. BUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT ROAD THAT WILL RELIEVE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON PACETTI ROAD AT ITS INTERSECTION WITH STATE ROAD 16 AND I GP. THE DEDICATION OF 100 ACRES SCHOOL SITE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SUBJECT TO THE SCHOOL BOARDS APPROVAL OF THAT. AND AGAIN, WE'VE SEEN THE LOCATION OF THAT SITE. IT'S NOT WITHIN ADLER CREEK. IT IS NEAR ADLER CREEK. AND SO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON SKAFF ROAD WERE ANY OF THE OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE NOT DEALING WITH 100 ACRE HIGH SCHOOL SITE WITHIN THE PROJECT WITH THIS APPLICATION. THAT WAS A PRIOR APPLICATION. ADLER CREEK IS COMMITTING THE SAME JONES UTILITY SYSTEMS DILUTE THE UTILITY SYSTEMS, WHICH IMPROVES THE FIRE FLOW AND SAFETY FOR THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORS. THERE WILL BE THE MULTIPURPOSE PATH ALONG THE ENTIRETY OF THE COLLECTOR ROAD, WHICH WILL BE FORT MICHAEL'S OF RECREATION TRAIL THROUGH THE PRESERVATION OF THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL AREAS, THE PRESERVATION OF 220 ACRES OF WETLANDS WITHIN THE PROJECT WHICH IS CURRENTLY IN THE PACETTI LAND IS HEAVILY TIMBERED. THEY COULD TEMPER THE PROPERTY IF THEY WANTED TO. SO THIS WILL PROTECT THE TIMBER PORTION WITHIN THOSE WETLAND AND ASSOCIATED UPLAND AREAS. THERE WILL BE A PRESERVATION OF APPROXIMATELY 100 ACRES OF FLOODPLAINS STILL PREVENT FLOODING WITHIN THIS ENTIRE BASIN. MY COMMITMENT TO THE WATER CONSERVATION IN THE TEXT. THE PRESERVATION OF ABOUT HALF OF THE PROPERTY IS OPEN SPACE. HABITAT SIGNIFICANT NATURAL HABITAT, WILDLIFE HABITAT ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE TO WETLANDS AND THAT KIND OF THING.AND OBVIOUSLY PROPERTY TAXES AND OTHER REVENUE THAT WILL BE GENERATED BY THE PROJECT. SO AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE PROPERTY, WE ERRONEOUSLY LEFT OUT THIS PORTION OF THE LAND SO WE WILL BE COMING BACK IN FOR A SMALL SCALE COMBINES A PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION FORTHAT PROPERTY . THAT IS A DEAL MADE WITH THE ADLER CREEK PURCHASER AND THE PACETTI FAMILY AND WE APOLOGIZE TO THE PACETTI FAMILY FOR THAT ERROR. SO AT PZA THE RECOMMENDED YOU TRANSMIT THIS APPLICATION TO DE OH AND THE STATE AGENCIES FOR THEIR REVIEW AND SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE VERY MUCH IF YOU WOULD VOTE TO TRANSMIT THIS APPLICATION TO THE STATE AGENCIES TODAY. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE HAVE THE WHOLE TEAM AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WITH OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. WE WILL GO TO LEGAL FOR. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRPERSON MS. SMITH, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SAID ECONOMIC IMPACT AND THEN AFTER THAT I THINK THERE WAS LIKE PUBLIC BENEFITS. I THINK ONE MORE BACK EARLIER. STOP RIGHT THERE. I WANT TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. AS YOU KNOW, FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT TRANSMITTAL OR APPROVAL, THE BOARD IS IN HIS LEGISLATIVE CAPACITY. [00:55:05] AND MAY BROADLY USE ELEMENTS AND CONSIDERATIONS. ON THIS SLIDE, THIS IS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE BOARD. ESTIMATED TOTAL IMPACT FEES COLLECTED. AND THERE IS A FIGURE THERE. IS THAT YOUR REPRESENTATION THAT THOSE WILL ACTUALLY BE COLLECTED? IN THE ASK THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF FEES COLLECTED VERSUS FOR EXAMPLE USING CREDIT THAT MIGHT BE PURCHASED SOMEHOW WITH THAT TYPE OF THING. CAN YOU MAKE YOUR REPRESENTATION AT THIS TIME ABOUT IS THAT THE APPLICANTS REPRESENTATION TO THE BOARD THAT THESE ARE THE ESTIMATE COLLECTED VERSUS POTENTIALLY USING CREDITS FROM ELSEWHERE. I DON'T MEAN CREDIT GENERATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. LIVING CREDITS FROM OFF-SITE OFF OF THE DEVELOPMENT. >> SO THIS IS THE SPREADSHEET THAT BACKS UP THE NUMBERS ON THE SCREEN PRINT IT ASSUMES, AND HERE YOU CAN SEE IMPACT FEES. THEY ARE BASED ON HOME SIZE 1820 500 SQUARE FEET. YOU SEE ROADS, BUILDING, LAW ENFORCEMENT FIRE RESCUE AND PARKS WITH 1682 UNITS. HERE IS THE AVERAGE FEES AND HERE IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT BILLION YOU ALSO SEE THE LESS IMPACT FEE CREDITS AND THE NET ROAD REVENUE OF 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS IN PARIS AND ALSO THE $30,285,987 WERE CALCULATED. AND THE ESTIMATED PROPERTY TAXES WERE BASED ON THE VALUE OF A HOME IN GRANDE LAKES, WHICH IS THE ADJACENT PROJECT OF 317,000 AND YOU ARE LOOKING AT GENERAL FUND ROADS, LOCAL SCHOOL AND FIRE FOR 1682 UNITS WITH THE AVERAGE MILLAGE RATES. HERE IS THAT CALCULATION. HERE IS THE IMPACT FEE CREDIT ANALYSIS FOR 2209 AND ADLER CREEK PARKWAY AND THE 100 PERCENT AND 33 PERCENT OF VALUATIONS AGREED TO WITH TRANSPORTATION PLANNING. IN THE TOTAL IMPACT FEE CREDITS. AND THAT IS ÃTHOSE ARE THE DOLLARS ASSOCIATEDWITH THAT SLIDE . >> SPECIFICALLY MY QUESTION IS FOR THE $34 MILLION FIGURE. ND I SEE IT THERE. THE PHRASE YOU USED IN YOUR POWERPOINT WAS COLLECTED. AS THEIR ASSURANCE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE MONEY COLLECTED? OR WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE SOME OF THOSE, OTHER THAN ÃTHAT SOME OF THOSE INSTEAD ACTUALLY BEING COLLECTED WOULD BE REALLY SOMEBODY USING VOUCHERS FOR CREDITS FROM SOME OFF-SITE PROJECT? >> NOT OFF SITE. ADLER CREEK WILL BUILD $23 MILLION WORTH OF THAT COLLECTOR ROAD. THERE ARE IMPACT FEE CREDITS FROM THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD OF 12.$4 MILLION. THEY WILL GET THAT AMOUNT IN ROAD IMPACT FEE CREDITS THAT WILL BE USED FOR THIS PROJECT. IF YOUR QUESTION IS WILL THEY BE BUYING OR GETTING IMPACT FEE CREDITS FROM ANOTHER PROJECT OFF-SITE , NO. >> THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION. IF I MAY, MY SECOND QUESTION. IF YOU COULD GO BACK UP TO THE PUBLIC BENEFITS SLIDE. WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THE SCHOOL, PROPOSED SCHOOL PROPERTY. >> YES. >> RIGHT. THERE'S A VALUE TO CONSTRUCT THE ROAD AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD INVOLVES ENGINEERING ON ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION ETC. BUT THE VALUE OF THE RIGHT TO WAIT ITSELF, THE LAND. THERE CAN BE SOME VALUE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT UNDERLYING LAND. IN THE WITH THE ANGLICAN AT THIS TIME BE ABLE TO DESCRIBE TO THE BOARD HOW THAT WOULD BE EVALUATED BROKEN THE SAME QUESTION FOR THE 100 ACRE PUBLIC SCHOOL SITE.IS THE APPLICANT PREPARED TO DESCRIBE TO THE BOARD HOW THAT ACTUAL REAL ESTATE WOULD BE IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH IT MADE. [01:00:04] THERE FOR GENERATED IMPACT FEE. SPOKE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THIS PORTION OF THE ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY IS A READY OWNED BY THE COUNTY, OBVIOUSLY. THIS PORTION OF THE ROAD IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY OWNED BY THE COUNTY. THE PORTION OF THE ROOM THAT WILL BE WITHIN ADLER CREEK IS ROLLED SILVICULTURE IN LAND USE, AND UNDERSTAND THAT. SO THAT IS THE EVALUATION. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY EVALUATION BASED ON THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE IT IS THAT YOUR QUESTIONS WITH YES, THAT ANALOGOUS THE SCRIPTURE FOR THE 100 ACRE SCHOOL BOARD SITE? >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCHOOL BOARD MODEL, THE SCHOOL BOARD MODEL HAS AN EVALUATION PER ACRE OF $111,239 AN ACRE FOR SCHOOL SITE. SO THAT IS PLUGGED INTO THE SCHOOL BOARDS MODEL ALREADY, REGARDLESS OF THE LAND USE OF THE PROPERTY. OF THE SCHOOL BOARD ONCE 100 ACRE SITE, THAT THE VALUATION THAT WOULD BE PLUGGED IN PURSUANT TO THE SCHOOL BOARDS MODEL. >> AND THAT IS A MODEL THAT YOU WOULD USE PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY, IS THAT CORRECT. >> RECORD IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENT FIGURE. >> THAT'S A FIGURE IN THE SCHOOL BOARD MODEL ALREADY. >> THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> LET'S GO TO THE BOARD NOW. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. >> I HAVE A COMMENT. >>CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: COMMISSIONER DEAN QUICK. >>HENRY DEAN: FIRST OF ALL, YOU TALKED IN PRETTY GOOD DEPTH ABOUT THE COST OF THE ADLER CREEK PARKWAY IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING ONE OF THINGS IS A COMMISSION WE ALWAYS LIKE TO CONSIDER I KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE EARNED OF THE COMMISSIONER SPRINGS UP REGULARLY IS THE TIMING. AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE TIMING IS SUCH THAT THIS ADLER CREEK PARKWAY WILL BE COMPLETED AND CONCURRENTLY WITH THE FIRST INSTRUCTION OF THE FIRST HOMES THAT WOULD BE BILL BRITT AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS THE DRILL FOR THE LAST NUMBER EIGHT YEARS THAT WOULD THE ROADS WOULD BE TRIGGERED WHEN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS WERE MET AND WE WILL GET UP TO 90 PERCENT OF THE UNITS. WHATEVER REASON THERE'S NO MORE UNITS BUILT. AND GOT 90 PERCENT OF THE ROAD PROBLEMS WITH ZERO RHOADES. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT THE ROAD WILL BE CONSTRUCTED CONCURRENTLY WITH THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE FIRST SET OF HOMES, IF YOU WILL. >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT BECAUSE I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE PROJECT ROAD CONSTRUCTION WILL START AT STATE ROAD 16. IT WILL COME SOUTH.OR THAT PORTION OF 22.09. AND THEN COME THROUGH HERE TO THE PROJECT SITE. THAT WILL BE THE WAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF HOMES. NO HOMES WILL BE BUILT UNTIL THIS ROAD IS CONNECTED THROUGH SO CONSTRUCTION CAN OCCUR WITHIN THE SITE. IS HOMES ARE BEING BUILT THE PROJECT WOULD BE DEVELOPED FROM NORTH TO SOUTH. AND SO AT THE PROJECT IS BUILT THROUGH, THIS ROAD WILL CONTINUETO BE BUILT AND CONNECT DOWN TO PACETTI ROAD . >> I WANT TO ADD THIS IS SORT OF A GRATUITOUS COMMENT. IN MY SODA FIRST LIFE DEALING WITH THE FLORIDA ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AN ADVOCAT OF SORT OF A TRADE-OFF OF RECOGNIZING WHERE YOU MIGHT INCREASE THE DENSITY SLIGHTLY AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ESSENTIAL WATER AND SEWER SERVICES AND THEN SET ASIDE LARGE TRACTS OF CONSERVATION LAND FOR WILDLIFE HABITAT, WILDLIFE CORRIDORS WITHIN THAT IS A POINT THAT I WILL BE BRINGING UP THIS FALL IN OUR WORKSHOP ON GROWTH MANAGEMENT. I THINK THAT IS A CONCEPT THAT MOST ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS STRONGLY SUPPORT. IN THIS ONE I SEE REFLECTED IN THIS PROJECT. AND SO FOR THE RECORD I WANTED TO POINT OUT THOSE TWO THINGS. I THINK THOSE ARE POSITIVES THAT MAKE THIS PROJECT VERY DOABLE. THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? WHY DON'T WE OPEN THIS TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2 ADLER CREEK. YES, SIR. >> 1748 NORTH BUT CAROL AND WE ARE RIGHT ALONGSIDE THAT. IT'S NICE THAT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT THEY WILL BE PUTTING IN A ROADWAY, BUT THERE IS ALSO THE CAUSE AND EFFECT. THAT IS 3200 VEHICLES, OVER 3200 VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON 16. 16 HAS BEEN PROMISED AND [01:05:02] WHITENED SIX YEARS NOW AND STILL NOWHERE NEAR WHITENED PUBLIC MONEY IS BEING SPENT TO MAKE A TURN LANES FOR THE COMMERCIAL BREAK THAT IS ALL GOING TO BE TORN UP IF THE 60 WAS WHITE AND THE FOUR LANES. T WOULD BE NICE TO TAKE THIS MONEY AND PUT IT TOGETHER. GRAND OAKS AND ALL THE COMMUNITIES HAVE PUT INTO IT. AND WHITENED 16 NOW THE WRIT NOT AFTER THE FACT. THEY WOULD PUT THAT RODENT 16 IS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE. HIS OVERCAPACITY NOW. SPOKE FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MA'AM? IF THERE ARE OTHER ANY SPEAKERS, PLEASE COME UP AND FORM A LINE SO WE CAN MOVE AHEAD QUICKLY. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> MORGAN, 5005 SKAFF ROAD. I LIVE ON THE HORSE FARM ON SKAFF ROAD THAT IS THE T-SHAPED PROPERTY RIGHT THERE. I SENT EMAILS OUT TO YOU GUYS WITH MORE DETAILED STUFF THAN I CANGET INTO IN THE THREE MINUTES . I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY WHEN THE PROPOSED 980 HOMES THAT DIDN'T GO THROUGH A STUDENT'S PRINT REALLY IS NOW YOUR SITE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF 2209 I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN SINCE WE DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHERE THE HOUSES WILL FALL WITHIN THE PARCEL. IT SEEMS HARD TO ME TO CALCULATE WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE GOING NORTH ON PACETTI INSTEAD OF GOING OVER TO 16 WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOUSES WILL BE IN THE SOUTHERNMOST PORTION OF THAT PARCEL. I ALSO HAVE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE. I APPRECIATE AND THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH ME, BUT I AM ALSO REASONABLE SKEPTICAL BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN HOW WHEN GRAND LAKE WAS DEVELOPED HOW POORLY THE DRAINAGE HAS BEEN MAINTAINED TO THEIR AND THAT IS WHAT IS BECAUSE THE ISSUE I HAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE IT WHEN I HAVE A NEW DEVELOPER SAYING WE ARE GOING TO DO BETTER, WE ARE GOING TO DO THE OF KEEP, IT'S NICE TO HEAR. IN DIFFERENT THING AND PRACTICE. ESPECIALLY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD PORTON I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT WHILE I APPRECIATE THE MOVING TO CONSERVATION FOR THE PART THAT IS TURNED BUILT CREEK ON THE EAST, THEN WHEN YOU BUILD UP WHAT IS ON THE WEST WHICH IS CLOSE TO ME, IT'S STILL CHANGES THE PLANE. IT CURRENTLY ALL GOES LIKE THIS IT IF WE HAD THIS BIG BUILT SUBSECTION HERE IN THIS IS PRESERVED, THAT DOESN'T HELPED ME VERY MUCH ON THE OTHER SIDE. I KNOW 2209 WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE FUTURE. I KNOW IT IS ONE OF THE COUNTIES HIGHER PRIORITIES AND I REALIZE THAT THE DEVELOPERS OFFER IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT. BUT I STILL WOULD RATHER ÃWE CAN'T UNDEVELOPED THE LAND, WE CAN'T HAVE LESS HOUSES. IF WE COULD WAIT UNTIL AFTER WE HAVE 2209 CONSTRICTED AND AFTER WE HAVE 16 WHITENED AND AFTER WE REALIZE WHAT THE ACTUAL IMPACT OF THE TRAFFIC WE ARE ALREADY DEALING WITH THIS, THEN WE COULD REVISIT THIS LATER AND TO HELP MORE CONCRETE, THIS IS HOW MANY HOUSES WE CAN HAVE IN THIS AREA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CAN YOU COME UP HERE IN LINE SPOKE OF JOSEPH KENNY, CURRENTLY ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY ., 1711 BISHOP SAGE ROAD AND SEVEN MONTHS OF MY ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE ENDS WILL BE A 5005 SKAFF ROAD. WITH THE ISSUE OF THE DRAINAGE, RIGHT NOW WITH GRAND LAKES THEY DO NOT MANAGE THEIR PORTION OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM. DURING THESE PAST COUPLE MONTHS DURING THE WET SEASON IT'S TOO WET TO MOW GRASS OVER HALF THE DAYS IN THE WEEK RIGHT NOW. THAT PUT US RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN THE BE RESIDENTIAL IN THE C RESIDENTIAL BURIED ALL THAT LAND WILL HAVE TO GET RAISED UP AT THE HOUSES IN AND IT WILL PUT IS UNDERWATER. MANAGING THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND THE FALLING OF THE PRIVATE COMPANIES, LIKE RIGHT NOW IT IS 9:00 ON A MONDAY MORNING, VACATION, PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE TIME OFF WORK AND THAT IS A LEGAL BATTLE WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE WITH THEM WHEN WE ARE [01:10:01] TRYING NOT TO STAY UNDERWATER AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE HAD TO DIG IN DRAINAGE DITCHES AS WELL TO HELP KEEP THINGS DRY. IS A SMALL BUSINESS THEY ARE WHERE THEY BOARD HORSES. PEOPLE ROUTINELY TURNED AWAY BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS TOO WET TO SUPPORT THE AMOUNT HORSES THE PROPERTY WOULD OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IF IT WAS DRY AND A REASONABLE LEVEL OF DRAINAGE. IT LOOKS TO ME, THEY ARE OFFERING YOU ONE WHILE OF CR 209, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED. THEY WILL PAY FOR ONE WHILE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THIS AREA NEEDS AND IT WILL PUT US UNDERWATER. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THREE MINUTES ISN'T ENOUGH TIME TO GO INTO DETAILS AND BREAK DOWN BUT IT IS FRUSTRATING TO BE IN THE SITUATION TO BEGIN WITH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS, PLEASE COME UP AND BE PREPARED TO SPEAK SO WE CAN MOVE ALONG AT A RELATIVELY GOOD PACE. THANK YOU. NAME AND ADDRESS. >> I LIVE AT 251 S. MATANZAS AND I OWN PROPERTY AT 3944 IN MARBELLA SOUTH DRIVE AND IN OWN THE PROPERTY THAT MY DAUGHTER WAS SPEAKING ABOUT WHERE THE HORSE FARM IS. AND MY THEY CONCERN WHEN I GET THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING EARLIER IS ABOUT DRAINAGE. AND WE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW. WE CAN SEE THE EFFECTS OF THE SURROUNDING GROWTH HAS CAUSED ON PROPERTY THAT DID NOT HAVE THE FLOODING PROBLEMS IT HAS NOW. I FEEL LIKE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT I KNEW THE BEFORE AND NOW I SEE THE MIDDLE. NOT EVEN THE ACTOR.ECAUSE HIS OTHER SUBDIVISION WOULD BE EVEN HIGHER DENSITY THAN THE ONE THAT ADJOINS IS NOW. I AM PLEASED TO SEE THE BUFFER EXTENDED BECAUSE THAT WILL HELP US. GRANDLY GARDY GIVES US SOME PROBLEMS IN TERMS OF KIDS OUT ON TRAMPOLINES BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP KIDS FROM HAVING FUN, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THERE IS NO REAL BUFFER THE HORSES ARE FREAKED OUT WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THE SCREAMING CHILDREN JUMPING UP IN THE AIR AND THEY SEE THE HEADS COME UP AND THAT SORT OF THING.SO WE KNOW THE IMPACT OF HAVING BEEN COMPLETELY ORAL. AND YOU KNOW THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE AND IT CAN'T BE UNREASONABLE ABOUT GROWTH. BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT SEEING IT AS IT DECLINES BECAUSE OF THE INTENSITY OF THE GROWTH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT BOTHERED ME THE PREVIOUS RECOMMENDED STEEPLECHASE WHEN THAT WAS UP FOR YOU TO CONSIDE . I REALLY HAD TROUBLE WITH THAT DENSITY AND IT WASN'T AS HIGH A DENSITY AS THIS PROPOSED ONE IS RED I CAN IMAGINE BASED ON WHAT I'M SAYING THAT THE WAY THEY ARE DEVELOPING THE LAND MAY HELP SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IN TERMS OF HOW THEY ARE GOING TO PUT IN THOSE HOMES. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD WORK. I THINK I HEARD THEM SAY NORTH TO SOUTH. SO THAT MIGHT BE A SAVING GRACE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN TERMS OF HOW MANY ALLIGATORS WE WILL HAVE TO DIG OUT. I SHOULD'VE SENT THAT TO YOU ALL BECAUSE I HAVE MY DAUGHTER HOLDING THE ALLIGATOR THAT THE TRAPPER HAD TO COME GET IN THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR HAVE AN ALLIGATOR AND I DON'T KNOW MY OTHER NEIGHBOR HAS ONE. THERE WERE THREE ALLIGATORS WILL ROAMING AROUND NO ONE HAS GOTTEN REHOME SOMEWHERE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. SPOKE WITH CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. QUESTION ABOUT $34 MILLION COULD'VE BEEN ANSWERED WITH A YES OR NO. NUMBER TWO, THE PCA DID NOT VOTE UNANIMOUSLY FOR THIS TRANSMITTAL. NUMBER THREE, THE PRESENTER RECEIVED 30 MINUTES TO SPEAK. I DON'T WANT TO THINK THE RESIDENTS ARE COMING UP AND SPEAKING. THEY HAVE GOTTEN SO FAR 15 MINUTES. IN THE PRESENTER WILL GET ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE HERTEAM WILL BE UP HERE FOR THE [01:15:01] REBUTTAL . ON SO MY RESPONSE TO THIS WILL BE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THE RESIDENTS SAY AND WHAT THE PZA VOTED. DENY THE TRANSMITTAL. >> THANK YOU. FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2? I WANT TO THANK ALL THE SPEAKERS FOR PARTICIPATING AND APPROACHING THE PODIUM THIS MORNING TO SPEAK. WHICH MOVED THINGS ALONG A LITTLE QUICKER. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR. >> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, BEN AM GOING TO ADDRESS DENSITY. AGAIN, THE REASON WE ARE PROPOSING THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE IS BECAUSE THIS 131 ACRES IS BEING PLACED ON CONSERVATION LAND USE 90 ACRES WILL BE PRESERVED WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA UNDER THE DENSITY OF 1682 UNITS. AGAIN, TRYING TO BALANCE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA IT ALSO WITH THE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING ON DEVELOPMENT EDGE OF 85 FEET WITH GRAND LAKES. 50 FEET ON THE ADLER CREEK SITE ALONG THE BOUNDARY TO HELP WITH THAT COMPATIBILITY NOT ONLY WITH GRANDLY GOING ON SKAFF ROAD. GOING TO HAVE MR. DAVIS,. IS A CIVIL ENGINEER AND HE WILL TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE AND MR. SHINGLER WILL TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC.>> OF MONEY. BRAD DAVIS 13 901 PARK BOULEVARD SOUTH FLORIDA 33204. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS MORNING WHEN I THINK THE SPEAKERS AMONG MOST COURTEOUS SPEAKERS I HAVE EVER HEARD BEFORE MY LIFE. I APPRECIATE WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM. DEVELOPMENT DOES BRING CHALLENGES AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY DO HAVE CHALLENGES FROM THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPER.HAT MR. LANCASTER COMMITTED TO DOING WHAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND PER YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS ANALYZE ALL ADJACENT PROPERTIES PER THE FIRST THING I WOULD DO. MR. LANCASTER IS ASKED ME TO DO IS LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHY ADJACENT AND SEE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE MADE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY TO GET THE WATER FLOW INTO THE WEST WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO WHERE THERE'S A DRAINAGE DIVIDE, WHICH AT SOME POINT IN ANOTHER DRAINAGE DIVIDE WHICH PUSHES IT TOWARD THE WEST FOR THE VERY FIRST POINT ACTION IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER DRAINAGE DIVIDE IS AND HELP THEM WITH THAT. TYPICALLY IS A LANDOWNER EVEN IN THE ROLE SECTION THEY DON'T HAVE OPPORTUNITY OR ACCESS TO EQUIPMENT LIKE WE HAVE DURING OUR CONSTRUCTION PHASES SO I REALLY DO BELIEVE WE CAN HELP THEM FIGURE OUT WHERE THE WATER IS SUPPOSED TO GO AND TAKE IT THAT WAY. IF IT IS WEST WE WILL HELP WITH THAT DITCH. IF THE DECEASED WE WILL CERTAINLY COLLECT THAT AND TAKE IT TO OUR MASTER SYSTEM AND MAKE SURE IT GETS TO DURING THE DAY. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR THE STATEGUIDELINES . THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? >> MR. DAVIS, OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THESE LANDOWNERS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME. IN THIS GRAND LAKE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED MORE RECENTLY. NOT TOO LONG AGO IT WAS FARMLAND. THAT DRAINAGE WAS MAINTAINED BY FORMER REAGAN FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, THERE'S A LACK OF MAINTENANCE THAT OCCURRED AND YOU ARE WILLING TO GO IN AND CLEAN IT.UT I THINK WHAT I HEARD BEFORE IS THERE IS SOME LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF NOT MAINTAINING A SYSTEM. AND YOUR SYSTEM WILL BE MAINTAINED. WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE CDD ETC. WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU MAY GO IN AND DO IT AND THE STOMA MAINTENANCE OF THAT PARTICULAR SYSTEM. ESPECIALLY IF IT HAS TO GO TO THE WEST. THAT IS WHAT I THINK WE HAVE A CONCERN WITH HIS SOME FOLKS RECOGNIZING SOME OF THE SYSTEMS ARE NOT BEING MAINTAINED LIKE THEY WERE IN THE PAST AND THAT IS WHAT IS CREATING THE OTHER PROBLEMS.S THAT SOMETHING YOU OBSERVED OR ARE YOU GOING TO LOOK INTO? >> I COULD BE WRONG, BUT THEY LIVE HERE AND KNOW IT INTIMATELY. WITH THE STUDY OF TOPOGRAPHY IT HELPED. BASED ON MY ANALYSIS, THE WATER USED TO DRINK SOUTH ON THE GRAND LAKE BUT WHEN GRAND LAKE CAME THEY DIDN'T OBSERVE THE OFF-SITE AREAS THAT CAME ONTO THE PROPERTY. ESSENTIALLY THE WATER HAS NOWHERE TO GO EXCEPT STAGING THE AREA. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS A SYSTEM NECESSARILY. I THINK IT WAS AN EXISTING SITUATION SO TO SPEAK WITH TOPOGRAPHY AND WETLANDS IN THE AREAS AROUND THERE AS WELL THAT HOLD WATER THAT PROBABLY MORE ABLE TO TAKE THAT AS WELL. [01:20:02] MR. SMITH, I THINK WHAT WOULD BE BEST IS TO LOOK AT TOPOGRAPHY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND SEE IF WE COULD GET THE WATER TO GO WEST. WILL NOT GO SOUTH ANYMORE BASED ON THAT DEVELOPMENT. AND SO LET'S GET IT TO GO WEST. IF WE CAN'T, WE HAVE TO ACCEPT IT AND WEWILL HAVE LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT FROM THAT.> THANK YOU MR. DAVIS, APPRECIATE IT . >> ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? >> MR. SHINGLER IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC. >> I HAVE A BIG COFFEE AND WHATEVER ONE WORKS FOR YOU. EITHER ONE. SPOKE FOR THE RECORD, TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS 83 JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. I HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT STATEMENT 16 STATUS OF THE WHITENING EFFORT. WE ALL KNOW THAT PROJECT IS A MEDICATION FOR THE GRAND OAKS PROJECT CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN BASED ON THE TIMELINE WE SEE, YOU CAN SEE THE STATEMENT 16 THE CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE EITHER COMPLETED AT THE SAME TIME THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKWAY WHICH WOULD BE WELL UNDERWAY BY THE TIME WE REACH A LOT OF THE HOMES WITH THE PROJECT AS WELL. WE UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE IS CURRENTLY BEING ONE. IS PERMITTED TO THE DOD. THAT IS DESIGNED THAT IS BEING DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED. >> BASED ON THE CLIENTS PERFORMER, YOU CAN SEE THE ADOPTION RATES WILL BE WELL SPREAD TOWARD 10 AND 12 YEARS IN EARLY 2024. THE RIGHTNESS OF THE COMPLETED ARE UNDERWAY THROUGH THE GRAND OAKS PROJECT. ARE PROPER IN 229 WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS WESTART . WE WON'T BE ABLE TO BUILD ANY HOMES UNTIL WE BUILD 2209 AND PARKWAY FROM THE NORTH. WE ARE NOT GOING TO ADD ANY TRAFFIC UNTIL THE CONNECTION IS COMPLETE. AND ONCE THAT CONNECTION IS COMPLETE, THE REGIONAL TRAFFIC, OTHER TRAFFIC, NOT TRAFFIC WHILE THE BENEFIT TO USE TO GET ON TO 16. BY THAT TIME THE WHITENING INTERSECTION BY GP AND STATE ROUTE 16 COMPLETED AND THE INTERCHANGE AT 95 COMPLETED BY THE DOD. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER NEXT. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. DO YOUR MODELS SHOW THE 13,954 DAILY TRIPS WILL BE GOING NORTH AND EAST ON 16? >> ONCE IT GETS TO 16 THERE IS A SPLIT. THEY WILL GO EAST AND WEST. JUST NOT ONE DIRECTION. >> YOUR MODEL HAS THE TRAFFIC SPLITTING. >> SPLITTING ON STATE ROAD. >> ON ADLER CREEK PARKWAY IN THE MODEL SHOWS A BIG DROP BECAUSE THAT IS A REGIONAL FACILITY AND IT IS A MAJOR ROA . TRAFFIC TOWARD STATEMENT 16 ONTO THE MAJORITY. THERE IS SOMETRAFFIC ONCE A CONNECTION HAPPENS , BUT THAT IS COMPATIBLE TO TRAFFIC THAT IS GOING TO GO WHAT YEAR IS A [01:25:05] STATE ROAD 16 WHITENING TO BE COMPLETE. >> THEY SHOULD BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION ANYTIME SOON THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS WOULD DOD SO ONCE THE PRODUCT IS APPROVED, I THINK THE TIMELINE IS 2 TO 3 YEARS TO COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION IN THE UNITS UNTIL IT IS LISA CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON. >> IN THIS PROJECTS NOT DUE TO BE COMPLETE BEFORE 2033. >> THAT IS THE VERY LAST. >> THE LAST UNITS WOULD BE ONLINE. >> THAT IS GREAT. WE HAVE 180 UNITS PER YEAR. SO GIVE-AND-TAKE ABOUT NINE OR 10 YEARS APPROXIMATELY. >> THANK YOU. >> WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER WALTER. >>PAUL WALDRON: I KINDA WANTED TO BRING THIS TO THE BOARDS ATTENTION. I THINK IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WE SHOULD SEE WHAT IMPACT FEES WE HAVE TONIGHT ALL THE WAY TO A NATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. WE MOVE FORWARD ABOUT DOING THE ENGINEERING TO BUILD 2209 SO IT WILL BE NEEDED. TO THE ONE-MILE AND GET THAT DONE IN INTERNATIONAL GULFPORT DAY AT THE SAME TIME. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IMPACT FEE CREDITS OR IMPACT FEE FOR ZONES. WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. >> GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS ARE IN TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT MANAGER. SO IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE ALLUDING TO IS THE SEGMENT HER . GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE. YESTERDAY WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH GREG CALDWELL FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND OUR COUNTY ENGINEER AND I . WE WERE LOOKING AT THE FUNDING COMPONENT FOR THAT.E ARE CURRENTLY WE HAVE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ON 16 SO WE CAN UTILIZE THE EXISTING PEPIN ON THE WEST SIDE APPROACH. BUT THAT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT $67 MILLION TO DO THAT SO WE CAN UTILIZE THE PAVEMENT ON THE WEST SIDE. WE ARE STRONGLY THINKING TO SCALE THE PROJECT DOWN SO WE CAN BUILD A FOUR-LANE APPROACH IS A SAFETY PROJECT FOR THEM SO THAT WAY WE CAN STILL UTILIZE THE PAVEMENT ON THE WEST SIDE. AND ALLOCATE THE REMAINDER OF THE MONEY AND SHIFTED TO THIS CONNECTION BETWEEN 16 AND I GP. AND WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IS WE ARE GOING TO DESIGN FOR LANE AND CONSTRUCT TWO LANE PORT CURRENTLY WE HAVE $4 MILLION ALREADY AND WE ARE STILL EVALUATING THE SEE HOW MUCH WE CAN PULL FOR THE EXISTING INTERSECTION OF THE PROJECT AND THERE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN FOR THEM BUT BY 24 WE WOULD HAVE $9 MILLION IN ORDER TO DO THAT. SO WE ARE LOOKING INTO DOING THAT PARIS AND I SPOKE LAST WEEK WITH JIM AT DOT. HE HAS PROMISED ME TO PROVIDED PRELIMINARY DESIGN IN 6 TO 10 WEEKS TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH IT COSTS. MEET THE QUANTITIES IN ORDER TO NARROW DOWN THE COST ON THAT SEGMENT. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WE HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT ALREADY. BUT WE COULD BASICALLY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER THAT, THAT IS UP TO YOU. >> I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME. AND IS NOT FAIR TO RESIDENTS TO TEAR IT UP ONE DAY AND WE REDO IT AND WE ARE ALL UNDER CONSTRUCTION AGAIN. BUT I THINK THAT IS A PRESENTATION THAT THIS IS TRANSMITTED THAT WE WOULD NEED AT THE TIME OF REMOVAL. [01:30:02] WE NEED TO FIND A FUNDING MECHANISM. >> WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND IF WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT 2209, THEY'RE BASICALLY CONSTRUCTED ON VACANT LANDS WITH LITTLE IMPACT TO ADJACENT RESIDENTS. >> IS AND WILL COOPERATE WITH THE COUNTY IN ANY WAY IT CAN ON THE SEGMENT OF 2209. ALSO THESE CALCULATIONS WE PUT UP EARLIER, THERE IS 2.$5 MILLION ALSO FROM ADLER IN ADDITION TO BUILDING THE ROAD THAT WILL COME IN AS ADDITIONAL ROAD IMPACT FEES FOR IT IS OR NOT YOU CAN ADD THAT TO THE POT SO TO SPEAK. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT SPLIT OF TRAFFIC ON STATE ROAD 16? BASED ON THE MODEL ANALYSIS WE SEE ABOUT 40 PERCENT THAT GOES TO THE REST AND ABOUT 37 PERCENT GOING TO THE EAST ON STATE ROUTE 316. >> OKAY. ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU. I WILL JUST NOTE I APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS WHO CAME UP EARLIER THIS IS ACTUALLY A TRANSMITTAL HEARING MEETING THIS IS NOT A FINAL APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT. THE VOTE TODAY IT WOULD BE TOO TRANSMIT TO TALLAHASSEE WHERE THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL REVIEW BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA. HOPEFULLY LOOKING AT TRAFFIC, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS FOR IT WHATEVER HAPPENS IS NOT FINAL APPROVAL.NE MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WILL BE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO WEIGH IN AND PROVIDE INPUT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT TODAY. COMMISSIONER SMITH?HAT CAN I MOVE THIS IF YOU WANT, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> PLEASE. >> MOTION TO APPROVE TRANSMITTAL OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN USE AMENDMENT TO 30002 ADLER CREEK COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT BASED ON FINDING. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.THE COMMISSIONER DEAN AND WALDRON. THAT WAS A TIGHT. LET ME GIVE THAT TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON BRICK MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? CINQ NONE, PLEASE VOTE. [Items 3 & 4] THAT PASSES 5/0. THIS MATTER WILL BE BACK UP FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS REVIEWED IT. NOW WE ARE MOVING TO AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER THREE AND FOUR BUT AGENDA ITEM ÃI BELIEVE THESE WILL BE HEARD TOGETHER. AGENDA ITEM FOUR IS THE QUASIJUDICIAL BUT WHY DON'T WE START WITH OUR DISCLOSURES FOR THAT. COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> I HAVE NONE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER WALTER. >> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> NONE. >> I HAVE KNOWN AS WELL. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING GOOD KAREN TAYLOR 77 SARAGOSSA STREET BUT I AM HERE FOR THE SIX MILE CREEK OUTPOST CONFERENCE AND PLAN AMENDMENT AND PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. WITH ME OR TO KNOW THE OWNERS NAME SHELLEY AND ANDY STEPHENSON. AND OUR CIVIL ENGINEER FROM MATTHEWS DESIGN IF WE GET INTO SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING SPECIFICS OF THE PROJECT. THIS IS THE LOCATION. FOR THOSE OF YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, THIS IS NEXT TO BUDDY BOYS. COUNTY ROAD 16 NORTH JOASH AND ROAD. AND UC SIX MILE CREEK. THE ADJACENT USES ARE BASICALLY WE HAVE THE VACANT WETLANDS ALONG SIX MILE CREEK PREMIUM SINGLE FAMILY DOWN TO ASHTON ROAD AND FARM FIELDS ACROSS THE ROAD THE PROPERTY THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT OWNERSHIPS MR. SHELLEY OWNS A PORTION OF THAT MR. STEVENSON AND HIS PARTNER ON THE OTHER PORTION. UNTIL THE PORTION, HE IS IN THIS AREA HERE AND THE PORTION THE OTHER TWO GENTLEMEN OWN IS DOWN HERE. THIS IS BUDDY BOYS AND YES, MR. SHELLEY ALSO OWNS BUDDY BOYS. [01:35:07] THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THE AREA AND THIS IS A BROAD VIEW. TO SHOW YOU THE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT LAND USE TYPE THINGS. TO POINT OUT THAT HAVE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES IN THEM, YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE NUMBER OF THOSE. THERE IS A LOT OF PROPERTY THAT IS WETLANDS THAT ISN'T DEVELOPED AND WILL BE DEVELOPED THROUGH EVEN AGRICULTURAL WHICH IS ACROSS FROM THIS PARTICULAR SITE. WE DO HAVE A MAJOR DRI AND RESIDENTIAL A, B, C AND OF COURSE THE DRI IS RESIDENTIAL AS WELL. AND SOULFUL FOR A COMMERCIAL AREA TO BE CLOSED ALL THAT RESIDENTIAL. WE BRING THAT IN CLOSER. THE BUDDY BOY SITE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION AND ALREADY HAS THAT. AROUND IN SEVERAL SILVICULTURE AND THE AGRICULTURE. AS FOR ZONING, THIS IS THE NORTHWEST SECTOR SO EVERYTHING HAS TO BE MPUD. ANY REZONING IS A PUD. OPEN ROLE IS STILL UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY AS WELL. COMING IN CLOSE WE CAN SEE THAT THE SITE IS OR. THERE IS A SMALL PSD ACROSS THIS FISH CAMP ROAD. AND A LARGE PRD THAT IS NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED ON THE FISH CAMP ROAD AS WELL. THIS BRINGS IT IN CLOSER AND GIVES YOU AN IDEA SITE AERIAL OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. AGAIN, WE HAVE BUDDY BOYS HERE FOR THIS PORTION OF THE SITE IS UNDEVELOPED WERE THERE IS A HILL TO THAT, ACTUALLY. WE DO HAVE A PORTION OF THE WETLANDS INCLUDED IN THIS. THIS PORTION ANDY AND HIS PARTNER OPERATE THAT WAY THE SITE PLAN AND A SITE PLAN HAS BEEN DIVIDED INTOTWO DEVELOPMENT AREAS BECAUSE THESE ARE TWO INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIPS . THIS IS TO POINT OUT THAT WE DO HAVE THE 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE. WE HAVE THE SCENIC EDGE, 30 FOOT SCENIC EDGE. BECAUSE WE ARE A LONG 13, WHICH IS PART OF THE SCENIC HISTORIC I WAIT, THAT INCREASES TO 30 FEET AND IT ADDS ADDITIONAL STANDARDS FOR PLANTINGS AND THINGS THAT RELATE TO THAT AS WELL. WE HAVE A PRESERVED, IT IS HARD TO SEE ON THIS. THE PRESERVED UPLAND BUFFER. AND IN THIS CASE YOU HAVE A 25 FOOT, THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL 25 FOOT UPLAND BUFFER BUILDING SETBACK AS WELL. . THAT KINDA GOES BACK TO SHOW YOU THE OWNERSHIP, WHICH WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE END THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE SITE THAT THERE IS ACROSS THE EASEMENT AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE CROSS EASEMENT THAT WILL FLOW THROUGH THESE TWO SITES. DEVELOPMENT AREA A IS PLAN FOR 11,000 SQUARE-FOOT RETAIL OFFICE SPACE. THAT WOULD BE AT THE TOP OF THE HILL HERE. THERE IS A COMMUNITY SPACE SHARED BY EVERYBODY IN THE CENTER OF THAT PARTICULAR SITE. HE IS PROVIDING FOR SELF STORAGE IN THE REAR THAT WOULD BE BEHIND THE BUILDING. AS A NOTE, THERE IS A WAIVER FOR THE SELF STORAGE. THERE IS A LIMITATION IN THE CODE REGARDING SELF STORAGE SHOULD NOT BE ALONG THE SCENIC HIGHWAY. BUT IN THIS CASE WE ARE SHOWING IT IS ACTUALLY BEHIND THE OTHER BUILDINGS. SO THEY ARE REALLY NOT GOING TO BE SEEN. IS PERPENDICULAR TO THE STREET AS BLOCKED. IN THE OPENINGS, GARAGE DOORS WILL NOT BE FACING ANY STREET. AND WE AGREED TO USE THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AS A RETAIL BUILDINGS SO THAT IT ALL LOOKS COHESIVE AS WELL. AND AGAIN, THIS IS A BETTER VIEW OF THE UPLAND BUFFER ALONG HERE, WHICH IS AVERAGED AS WELL AS THE 25 FOOT SETBACK. THIS IS DEVELOPMENT AREA BE. [01:40:02] AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE DEVELOPMENT. THEY PLAN TO KEEP THEIR GENERAL STORE OPERATING. THEY HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME AND ACCESSORY TO THAT ONE THERE IS ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT ON THE SITE. AND THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW UNPAVED STABILIZED PARKING, WHICH THEY ARE PLANNING TO MAINTAIN. THEY DON'T PLAN TO ADD ANYTHING HERE THERE ARE REALLY NICE BIG TREES AND THERE AND THINGS THAT THEY HAVE WORKED AROUND . BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD A BOAT AND RV STORAGE AND THAT HAS BEEN TALKED INTO THE AREA THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO USE FOR IT AND NOT AFFECT A WHOLE LOT OF THE TREES. THEY DO WANT THE ABILITY IN THE FUTURE TO PROVIDE FOR REPLACING THE GENERAL STORE IF THAT GOES AWAY OR BECOMES UNPOPULAR. OF COURSE THE OPENING OF THE LOCAL HARDWARE STORE HIT THEM A LITTLE BIT AS WELL BUT WE DO HAVE ONE WAIVER ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR SITE. THERE'S A 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE ALONG JOE ASHTON ROAD. IS ALSO A REQUESTS FROM THE COUNTY WE CAN PROVIDE FOR RESERVE RIGHT AWAY BY 15 FEET. AND SO THE REQUEST IS THE 15 FEET BE A PART OF 35 FEET, WHICH WOULD HAVE COURSE REDUCE THAT TO A 20 FOOT IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT IS IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS WANT TO COME BACK AND WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO ASK THEM. ON A FEW SITES FOR THIS IS JOE ASHTON FOR THIS IS GOING TO THE GENERAL STORE. AND GO IN BACK INTO THAT SITE. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE TREES. THIS IS THE GENERAL STORE. THAT IS ONE LITTLE HOUSE THERE. THAT HOUSE WILL END UP BEING GONE. THERE IS ANOTHER HOUSE, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT WILL REMAIN IN A GARAGE THAT WILL ALSO REMAIN. AND THERE IS A PATHWAY WHERE DRIVEWAY THERE AND THAT IS SHARED WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. IN SUPPORT OF THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IS THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE AS WELL. THIS IS A FRONTAGE ALONG THE OTHER PIECE OF COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH FOR EVERY THIS IS THE SHARED ACCESS POINT WAS TALKING ABOUT LOOKING FROM BUDDY BOYS BACK TOWARD THE HARDWARE STORE AND TO THE LEFT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE ON TO THE OTHER PARCEL. AND THAT IS JUST BUDDY BOYS AND THAT IS SHOWING YOU COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I HAVE PUT IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL MAP IN CASE THERE ARE QUESTIONS AND I PUT A KNOWN THE USES ARE. IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT. THIS IS THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE TO ROLL COMMERCIAL.AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE AND CHANGE THE ZONING FROM OPEN ROLE TO DEVELOPMENT AND TO ALLOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE COMMERCIAL. THE ROLE COMMERCIAL LAND USE PROVIDES FOR WERE ALL COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL, NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC SERVICE AND THE RESIDENTIAL ACCESSORY, WHICH WE PLAN TO USE. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DEVELOPMENT CODE, THIS IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES, PARTICULARLY THE LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION ELEMENTS FOR THE PUD FURTHER DEFINES THE USES AND AS YOU KNOW, IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE MODIFIED PERMITTED LIMITS IT AND GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE. WE FEEL THIS IS COMPATIBLE. AND IS AN EXPANSION OF THE CONSISTING NOTE THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED WITH BEING COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA OF THE ADJACENT GENERAL STORE HAS DONE DIFFERENT THINGS. AND BEEN FINE FOR THE NEIGHBORS. THESE USES WOULD BE SIMILAR IN COMPATIBLE AND ALLOW MORE CONVENIENT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY FOR THE FOLKS IN THAT AREA. AND HELPED WITH ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. WITHOUT THE IMPACTS OF THE RESIDENTIAL SITE THAT YOU SEE. TO ADD A LITTLE BIT, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING. WE HAD A NUMBER THAT WAS A VIRTUAL ONE. WE HAD ANOTHER AND THEY DID ASK A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC. SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. THIS IS A PRETTY LOW TRAFFIC GENERATOR. COMMERCIAL ACTUALLY DRAWS FROM [01:45:03] THE TRAFFIC THAT IS ALREADY THERE. IS NOT CREATING NEW TRAFFIC SO TO SPEAK KOREAN YOU ARE LOOKING AT BETWEEN THE THREE USES AND EVERYTHING PEAK HOUR TRIPS AROUND 48 AND TRIPS PER DAY. AND WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH A COUPLE OF THE PEOPLE. WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT ON THE HISTORIC HIGHWAY. NOBODY HAD ANY MAJOR OBJECTIONS. THERE WERE ALSO SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THE WATER IN THE SEWER IN THE FIRE PROTECTION. THIS IS IN THE COUNTY UTILITY AREA, BUT IT IS NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO HOOK UP PUBLIC SEWER AT THIS TIME.CHRIS IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT.T'S BASICALLY A PACKAGE TYPE SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT WILL BE DESIGNED SO IT CAN HOOK UP WHENEVER THE LINES BECOME IN THE AREA.AS FOR THE WATER FOR FOUGHT FIRE PROTECTION, THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SECTION WE WORKED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE OTHER ONES IN THIS GENERAL AREA THAT HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING SO THEY WILL BE PROVIDING THE FIRE PROTECTION, THE WATER NEEDED FOR FIRE PROTECTION. WITH THAT, PZA RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 7/0 AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL TODAY! OKAY, THANKYOU. ARE THERE ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS? WHY DO WE OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE WILL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON BOTH THREE AND FOUR TOGETHER. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS THREE AND FOUR . PUBLIC COMMENT? I SEE NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR PARIS BACK TO THE BOARD. >> I WOULD MOVE THIS IF YOU LIKE. >> PLEASE, THANK YOU. >> THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE 4/3. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER. 3/4? PLAN AMENDMENT FIRST. NUMBER THREE. MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 202 ¦ >> 48. >> REQUEST TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY EIGHT OF EIGHT ACRES LOCATED AT COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH AND JOE ASHTON ROAD FROM ORACLE CIVIC CULTURE RS TO ROLL COMMERCIAL RC BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. >> MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANY FURTHER COMMENT? SEE NONE, PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5/0. >> AGENDA ITEM FOR. WOULD BE GLAD TOMOVE IT AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. >> MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021 ¦ >> 49 . >> BASED UPON FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. >> AND WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TRAN TO PUT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.EEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. [5. Public Hearing * REZ 2021-14 Hamameh Dealership. Request to rezone approximately 0.15 acres of land, out of an available 1.08 acres, from Commercial, Neighborhood (CN) to Commercial, Intensive (CI) with conditions to allow for supporting infrastructure for a proposed car dealership, specifically lot 5 located at 333 State Road 16. This item was heard by the Planning and Zoning Agency at their regularly scheduled public hearing on August 5, 2021, and was recommended for approval by a vote of 6-0.] THAT PASSES 5/0. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE FROM THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING 2021 Ã14 APPROPRIATE THIS IS ALSO A QUASIJUDICIAL MATTERS WE START WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AGAINST WHAT NONE MR. CHAIR. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> NONE MR. CHAIR BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> NUNS BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. > NONE. >> I HAVE KNOWN AS WELL THE REASON GOOD 20.> MINE NAME IS IMAD HAMAMEH. I'M THE PROUD OWNER OF THE 333 PROPERTY IN PARIS HOPING TO ESTABLISH A DEALERSHIP ON THAT LOCATION. THIS REQUEST IS FOR REZONING READ ONE OF SEVEN LOTS ON THAT PROPERTY TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS IN THE MIDDLE PART OF THE PROPERTY AS OUTLINED IN THE NEXT SLIDE. NUMBER FIVE IS CURRENTLY CN AND I WOULD LIKE TO REUSE OWN THAT TO CI FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF PUTTING IN A RETENTION POND IN A SEPTIC TANK ON THE PROPERTY IN SUPPORT OF THE DEALERSHIP BUILT ON LOTS 1 TO 4 THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED CI HERE THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF THE REQUEST PARIS TO THIS .15 ACRES AND WHEN I INITIALLY SUBMITTED THE PLANS FOR THE COUNTY FOR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, PRE-DISCUSSION WHERE YOU CAN [01:50:04] PUT IT ON THERE WITHOUT REZONING IT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE SIMILAR ZONING. WHICH I THOUGHT THERE'D BE SIMILAR.HEY SAID IT HAS TO BE CI AS WELL. THEREFORE A SEGMENT THIS REQUEST FOR YOUR APPROVAL. LOCATION MAP AS YOU SEE HERE IS BETWEEN 95 AND US ONE AND SURROUNDED BY ARTHUR STREET AND GARY AVENUE, WHICH IS A DEAD-END STREET. THE AERIAL MAP OF THE LOCATION IS ADJACENT TO O'REILLYS AUTO POT START TO THE RIGHT OF IT TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY. FUTURE LAND USE IS CURRENTLY IN MIXED-USE DISTRICT AND AS YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAW IN THE ZONING, THE FIRST FOUR LOTS ON THE TOP RCI AND THE ONE SURRENDERED BY THE RECTANGULAR SHAPE IS NUMBER FIVE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO REZONE TO CI. IS PARALLEL TO THE NEXT DOOR ARE AUTO PARTS STORE. THEY HAVE THE RETENTION POND AND SEPTIC TANK ON THE SAME PARALLEL ON THE LOT I'M HOPING TO REZONE SO I CAN DO THE SAME THING SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE OPERATION THAT WOULD BE LIMITED TO ONE THROUGH FOUR. THE BENEFITS OF THE REZONING MAKES IT LESS DENSE. IF I WAS TO PUT THE RETENTION POND ONE THROUGH FOUR IT WOULD BE TO CONDENSED AND NARROW AND IT WOULD NOT BE SAFE. DRIVING THROUGH THERE FOR THE CUSTOMERS TO COME THROUGH AND HAVE A PARKING LOT ON THE BUILDING AND THE SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURES. IT IS SAFER IN A LESS CROWDED ENVIRONMENT FOR THE CUSTOMERS COMING IN AND COMING OUT OF THAT PLOT. ADDITIONALLY, LOT FIVE WOULD OFFER IN ESSENCE A BIGGER BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN THE DEALERSHIP OPERATION AND RESIDENTIAL AREA FURTHER TO THE SOUTH KOREA SOUTH OF LOT NUMBER SEVEN. LOT NUMBER SEVEN IS PART OF THE PROPERTY AND IT IS A RESIDENTIAL AND I PLAN ON PUTTING A HOUSE OVER THERE FOR MY SON WILL BE OPERATING THE DEALERSHIP WILL BE RESIDING ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL FOR FROM COMPATIBILITY OF THE NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES, YOU SEE THERE'S A LOT OF AUTOMOTIVE FOCUS IN THE AREA FROM AVIS TO AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP ACROSS THE STREET NEXT TO O'REILLYS, ADVANCED AUTO ON THE RIGHT TO THE EAST SIDE AND THROUGH DEALERSHIPS ON THE CORNER OF 16TH AND US ONE. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN AND THE INTENT TO RETAIN, MEET ALL THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS AND SCREEN THE BUFFERS IN THE BACK AND ON THE SIGNS IT WILL HAVE AN ENTRYWAY FROM BOTH SIDES OF ARTHUR AND TERRY AVENUE. IS THE DOT DID NOT APPROVE AND DIRECT ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTY FROM SR 16 DUE TO THE FACT IT IS SURROUNDED BY TWO STREETS THAT WOULD ALLOW ME WITHOUT A PROBLEM. THE MEETING ON AUGUST 5 WAS ANONYMOUSLY APPROVED 6/0. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? >> WHY DON'T WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.> WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 5. PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 5? SEE NONE MR. CHAIRMAN PARIS TO BRING IT BACK TOTHE BOARD . >> THANK YOU. WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? QUESTIONS? >> I MOVE ITEM 5. MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021 APPROVING REZONING 2021 Ã14 DEALERSHIP REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 0.15 ACRES OF LAND OF AN AVAILABLE ONE .08 ACRES FROM COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE WITH CONDITIONS BASED UPON THE FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALTER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?EEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5/0. [6. Public Hearing * NZVAR 2021-10 Eventide Lot 12. Request for a Non-Zoning Variance to Land Development Code, Section 4.01.06.B to allow a Retaining Wall in lieu of a minimum 25-foot natural, vegetative building setback to the Upland Buffer, specifically located at 216 Sea Glass Way.] CONGRATULATIONS, SIR. WILL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM SIX, A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE EVENT 12 THIRD WHY DON'T YOU START WITH YOU. >> I HAVE NONE TO REPORT. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. [01:55:01] >> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> NONE. >> I HAVE A DISCLOSURE BUT I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH MR. JUSTIN WILLIAMS THIS PAST THURSDAY, AUGUST 5 AT 1:30 P.M.. WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH NEIGHBORS AND WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE. PLEASE COME FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON PUT THEM JUSTIN WILLIAMS OF COLLEEN WICKER. OUT 1006 SKINNER LAKE DRIVE AND REPRESENT THE PROJECT. THIS IS LOT NUMBER 12 LOCATED IN THE EVENTIDE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH YOU SEE RIGHT THERE IS WEST AND NORTH OF MY CLAIM. LOT NUMBER 12. SUPPORTED BY A PUMP STATION ON THE NORTH SIDE BOARD IS A CONSERVATION AREA IN THE REAR OF IT AND IT WAS ONE LOT, LOT NUMBER 16 ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF IT. YOU CAN SEE IT'S LOCATION THERE. RECENTLY A SIMILAR VARIANCE WAS DONE FOR LOT NUMBER 11, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CONSERVATION AREA, WHICH IS JUST INFORMATIONAL. THIS REPRESENTS WHAT HIS EXISTING CONDITIONS, BUT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO RIGHT THERE ON THE TOP AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE TO DUPLICATE ON THE TOP YOU WILL SEE THERE IS A NATURAL VEGETATIVE BUFFER. WILL HAVE A 25 FOOT SETBACK OFF OF THAT BUFFER WHERE WE ARE ALLOWED TO PUT IT. WE ARE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE TO PUT THE HOME CLOSER TO THAT BUFFER SO THAT THE HOME CAN BE A MORE TYPICAL SHAPE. AND YOU WILL SEE IN JUST A MINUTE WHY THAT IS. THIS IS THE BUILDABLE AREA OF THE LAW BECAUSE OF THE BUFFER THAT IS ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE. AND MAKES THE LOT NOT ON BUILDABLE, BUT IS NOT DESIRABLE TO ACT THE WAY INTO SHAPE. AND THAT SHOWS YOU THE 25 FOOT SETBACK THAT IS OFF OF THAT BUFFER. AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING TO HAVE IS A REDUCTION OF THE SETBACK SO THAT THEY CAN PUT THEIR HOUSE AND THAT AND BE MORE SQUARED UP AND MORE IN UNIFORM WITH THE HOUSES IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF. THE BIT WE ARE LOOKING TO ADD AND SCOTT AT THE PUMP STATION ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROJECT IN THE CONSERVATION AREA IN THE REAR. IT IS WILL BE NOT VISIBLE BY ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS. AND WE HAVE HEARD NO OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT. AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE GOT. AND WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTION. >> OKAY BUT YOU THINK YOU. IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? WHY DON'T WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.> WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 6. PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 6. SEEING NONE, AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. >> WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH.> I KNOW THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO MOVE IT IF YOU LIKE. >> PLEASE, THANK YOU. >> MOTION TO APPROVE TO ONE Ã 10 NONE ZONING VARIANCE TO SECTION 4.01.06 ANDTHE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE . IN LIEU OF A MINIMUM OF 25 FOO BUILDING SETBACK TO THE UPLAND BUFFER, SPECIFICALLY LOCATED AT 216 C GLASS WAY . AND FIVE CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. >> THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DANE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE FOR. THAT PASSES 5/0. >> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A BRIEF [7. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2021-04 Victoria Crossing. Request for a Major Modification to the Supportive Housing Initiative PUD (Ordinance 2015-24) to allow transitional housing and/or workforce/affordable housing, to increase the maximum height of buildings from 35 feet to 40 feet, to decrease the amount of units from 100 to 96, and to change the project name to Victoria Crossing. The subject property is located at 1850 State Road 207. This item was heard before the Planning and Zoning Agency at their regularly scheduled public hearing on August 5, 2021, and was recommended for approval by a vote of 6-0. Please see the Growth Management Staff Report for project details.] >> WE ARE GOING TO RECONVENE HERE. NEXT AGENDA ITEM. BACK ON SCHEDULE HERE. NEXT WILL BE NUMBER SEVEN IMPORTANT IN THIS IS ALSO A QUASIJUDICIAL MATTERS. WILL START WITH OUR DISCLOSURES. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> YES, MR. JERRY PURDOM AUGUST 12 AT APPROXIMATELY 3:00 P.M. AND MET WITH MR. THAT HE AND HIS TEAM DEVELOPER FROM HIS THE ROOM.■ND MS. BISHOP WAS N - WE DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT. WE DISCUSSED THE AFFORDABILITY OF THE PROJECTS AND THAT SOCIAL SERVICES WOULD STILL HAVE AN OFFICE SET UP IN THIS BUILDING TO PROVIDE SOME SERVICES TO THE HOMELESS. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL PLACE FOR THE HOMELESS WE ARE USING THE FACILITIES TO GO. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAD A MEETING ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 12 [02:00:09] WITH MATT AND MICHAEL HARTMAN. WE DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT. ON THE COST OF THE RENTALS, CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND INCREASED ABOUT 10 PERCENT FOR THIS ONE ABOUT ONE. ON ESTIMATES. ALSO DISCUSSED THE NEED THAT THIS WAS ANSWERING ONE HOUR NEEDS THAT WE HAD BUT NOT ALL OF THEM. THANK YOU. >> MR. VICE CHAIR? POINT I HAD A MEETING WITH MATT AND MICHAEL HARTMAN ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 12 AROUND 4:00 AND DISCUSSED THE SAME ITEMS IN GENERAL THAT COMMISSIONER WALDRON PUT IN THE RECORD. >> THANK YOU. >> ON AUGUST 12 AT 11:00 A.M. I MET WITH MR. HARMON AND MR. LOTTIE AND TERESA BISHOP AND TALKED ABOUT TURNSTONE AND NON-PROFIT OUT OF ILLINOIS FOR TALKED ABOUT TRANSITION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. DISCUSSED HOME AGAIN IN THEIR POSITION ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. IS A DISCUSSED SOME OF THE GERMANS COMMENTS IN REGARD TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE. IT BE TOO FAR AWAY FROM THE EPICENTER TO CONSTRUCT FOR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING TO DISCUSS ON MONDAY CBG AND TAX EXEMPT BONDS TO THIS IN REGARDS TO THE RENTAL RATES AS WELL. TALKED ABOUT SOCIAL SERVICES OFFICES INSIDE THE COMMUNITY CENTER. THEY WILL BE PAID IN FULL FULL PROPERTY TAXES AND WILL DISCUSS THE SITE PLAN AND THEN DISCUSSED THE ROYAL AMERICAN MANAGEMENT AND WILL OVERSEE THE MANAGEMENT PROPERTY. WE ALSO HAD A PHONE CALL FROM MIKE DAVIS YESTERDAY AT 3:06 PM AUGUST 16 AND DISCUSSED HOME AGAIN THE 99 YEAR LEASE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THEIR SERVICES AND IMPORTANCE OF THEM. LIKEWISE THE CRITICAL IMPORTANCE OF THE RELOCATION NOT IN THIS FACILITY. WE ALSO RECEIVED EMAILS IN LIGHT OF THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SMITH.LET ME GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I ALSO HAD A CALL FROM MIKE DAVIS YESTERDAY AND HAD THE SAME DISCUSSION MR. SMITH HAD. >> THANK YOU. I MET WITH MR. MATT LOTTIE, MICHAEL HARTMAN ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 12 IN APPROXIMATELY 10:30 A.M. AND WE COVERED SOME OF THE SAME THING OVER THE COST-EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROJECT, THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, THE IMPORTANCE OF ADDRESSING THE COMMUNITY NEEDS, HOME AGAINST POSITION ON THIS. I RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS AS WELL OUTLINING CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT HOME BEGINS POSITION. >> GOOD MORNING. MATT LOTTIE, 906 ANASTASIA BOULEVARD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING AND FOR STAFFS WORKON THESE APPLICATIONS . BEFORE YOU IS MAJOR MONT 2021 Ã 04 THROUGH THE CROSSING PROJECT OF THIS IS A MODIFICATION TO 2015 Ã24 WITH AN UPDATED MDP TAX AND THE MAP REVISION TO ALLOW FOR 96 AFFORDABLE UNITS TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON 10 ACRES FROM YOUR THE SITES LOCATED TO THE WEST OF WILDWOOD AND SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION THERE. DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF THE NEW PROPOSED PUBLIX IN THE PROJECT. THERE IS A ROUGH OVERLAY OF THE SITE PLAN, AND AERIAL MAP IT CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS MIXED USE CURRENTLY ZONED POD. AS AGENCY BASED ON THE AERIAL THE SITE WAS PARTIALLY CLEARED AND CONSTRUCTION IS NOT COMMENCED. THERE ARE STRUCTURES OUT THERE. HE CAN SEE THE INTERSECTION WITH THE SITE PLAN THERE WERE THE INTERIOR TREES AND WETLANDS THAT REMAIN. YOU CAN SEE THE BUFFERS PROVIDING THEIR ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT A STORMWATER BETWEEN ADJACENT PARTIAL AND HOLDINGS. THE PREVIOUS P.D. FOR WAS FOR ABOUT 100 UNITS THERE. BUT SHORTER-TERM LIVING 200 TO 350 SQUARE FEET EACH WITH RECREATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES FOR FOOD, ETC. THIS IS A COPY OF THE PREVIOUS MAP APPEARED AGAIN, HOME AGAIN SITE WAS NEVER BUILT. TO PORTABLE BUILDINGS FOR THE COUNTY PURCHASED THE SITE OF [02:05:04] JULY 16. PROPOSED PROJECT IS 96 UNITS BETWEEN 805 SQUARE FEET AND 1164 SQUARE FEET. THERE WILL BE A SOCIAL SERVICES OFFICE OUT THERE AS WE DISCUSSED. RECREATION AND ASSOCIATED COMPONENTS ARE OUT THERE. SIDEWALKS 6 TO 8 FEET AROUND THE ENTIRE SITE FROM ROOM WE ARE ASKING FOR A WAIVER IN THE PARKING REDUCTION 283 FROM 202. NUMBER POSTMA. VICTORIA CROSSING IS GETTING FUNDING. RECEIVING ASSISTANCE VIA THAT FUNDING RELOCATION ASSISTANT HAS BEEN HIRED, A CONSULTANT HAS BEEN HIRED TO ASSIST WITH THAT LOCATION. AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED A 90 DAY NOTICE TO RELOCATE BY THE MIDDLE OF OCTOBER FROM THIS SITE. FUSE VA APPROVED THIS ON AUGUST FIFTH 6/0. WE ASKED TO APPROVE THE PROJECT WITH THE MODIFICATION WE WERE PROVIDED. IF YOU'VE ANY QUESTIONS WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER THEM. >> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD? >> WHY DON'T WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. WE WILL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7 FOR. ITEM 7. VICTORIA. YES, MA'AM HER NAME AND ADDRESS. AND IF THERE ARE FOR THE SPEAKERS, PLEASE START FORMING A LINE AT THE MICROPHONE. WE HAVE ONE OF MY LEFT AND ONE OF MY RIGHT. SO WE CAN MOVE ALONG. >> ONE AT ONE PODIUM AND ONE OF THE OTHER SO WE CAN MOVE ALONG. THANK YOU, MA'AM. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS NANCY. I LIVE AT 5308 SECOND STREET IN SAINT AUGUSTINE ZIP CODE 32080. I'VE BEEN A VOLUNTEER WITH HOME AGAIN ST. JOHNS FOR 10 YEARS. I BEGAN WITH HELPING SERVE MY HOMELESS BROTHERS AND SISTERS DOWNTOWN AND DINING WITH DIGNITY. ALTHOUGH I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE EATING IN THE PARKING LOT CONVEYS A SENSE OF DIGNITY TO ANYONE, HOWEVER, TREATING EACH OTHER WITH DIGNITY CAN MEAN A LOT TO REAL I HELPED GET 60 VOLUNTEERS TO RUN A DROP IN CENTER ON STATE ROADS 207 SITE LIST TO OFFER SHOWERS, LAUNDRY AND MEALS A FEW DAYS A WEEK. IN ADDITION OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND HER ASSISTANT HAVE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS BEEN OFFERING CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES TO HELP OUR CLIENTS FIND JOBS, HOUSING, MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, ALCOHOL AND ADDICTION COUNSELING ETC. OUR LONG-TERM VISION AT HOME AGAIN WAS TO HAVE 100 SUPPORTIVEHOUSING UNITS , UNIFIED SERVICES CENTER AND A LARGE DINING AREA AND KITCHEN ALL FOR THE HOMELESS TO BE BUILT IN THE 13 ACRES OF THAT SAME SITE. THIS WOULD BE MORE SEVERAL OF THE SERVICE PROVIDERS WILL THE HOMELESS COULD HAVE A PRESENCE IN ONE LOCATION SO THAT THEY WOULD BE MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR THOSE WHO NEED THEIR SERVICES. THE COUNTY HAS HAD FIVE YEARS TO BUILD THIS PROJECT, WHICH WAS SELECTED TO USE THE FEMA MONEY THAT WAS AWARDED BECAUSE HOME AGAIN HAD A SHOVEL READY PROJECT. MEANING HAD ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, ALREADY CLEARED THE LAND AND HAD STARTED PUTTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE AND.WHICH COULD ALSO BE USED AS AN EMERGENCY SHELTER DURING HURRICANES, ETC. WE ARE DOWN TO THE LAST YEAR FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE BUILT ONLY TO FIND OUT IT HAS NOW TURNED INTO A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT FOR LOW TO MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES. ALTHOUGH WE BELIEVE THIS IS A WORTHY CAUSE, THIS IS NOT WHAT OUR VOLUNTEERS, COMMUNITY, DONORS, BOARD MEMBERS HAVE INVESTED THOUSANDS OF HOURS AND DOLLARS INTO FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE BUILT. ONCE AGAIN, THE HOMELESS MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE BEING PUT BACK DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. THIS PANDEMIC IS CREATED EVEN MORE HOMELESS IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE HAVE OLDER WOMEN LIVING IN THEIR CARS. MEN AND WOMEN OF ALL AGES OUT OF A JOB OR WORKING AT LOW WAGE JOBS THAT ARE NOT ENOUGH TO PAY THE HIGH RENTS WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTY. MANY WE SEE AT THE DROP IN CENTER HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND OR ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE ISSUES WHICH ARE EXACERBATED HAVING TO LIVE ON STREET OR IN THE WOODS. WE CAN DO BETTER AS A COMMUNITY. [02:10:04] >> MA'AM, I'M SORRY. YOU NEED TO WRAP IT UP. >> MY LAST SENTENCE. >> MANY OF US ARE PEOPLE OF FAITH AND WE MUST DO BETTER TO RESTORE THE DIGNITY EACH OF OUR SISTERS AND BROTHERS DESERVE. WE NEED THIS PROJECT FOR THE HOMELESS. >> NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS ELLEN WALDEN 4628 L STREET ELTON FLORIDA NIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT HOME AGAIN ST. JOHNS. I WANT TO SPEAK TO ONE THING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND THAT IS A LANGUAGE THAT SAYS TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AND OR WORKFORCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.DEFINED TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. THAT IS USUALLY SHORT-TERM LIMITED HOUSING TWO WEEKS TO 24 MONTHS. TRADITIONALLY THAT IS WHAT THAT MEANS. WORKFORCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. CCORDING TO THE DEVELOPER, IT IS HOUSING INCOME AND RENT RESTRICTED TO INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES WHOSE INCOME IS BETWEEN 30 PERCENT AND 60 PERCENT OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME. FOR AN INDIVIDUAL, THE INCOME RANGES FROM $15,220 TO THE HIGH END AT $31,440 PER THAT EQUATES TO $1268 PER MONTH AND 2622 THE HIGH FOR A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL TO BEGIN THE POPULATION THAT WILL NOT BE ADDRESSED IS OUR HOMELESS, PARTICULARLY OUR ECONOMIC HOMELESS. GOES ON DISABILITY, SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY AND SSI. RIGHT NOW 26 PERCENT OF OUR FOLKS IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE ON FOOD STAMPS, WHICH MEANS THEY ARE AT OR BELOW POVERTY. IS ELDERLY AND DISABLED I GET THE $794 A MONTH TO 1000, THEY WON'T BE ELIGIBLE TO GO INTO THIS PROJECT. THEY WILL REMAIN IN THEIR CARS, REMAIN OUT IN THE WOODS OR ON THE STREET SWEEPING. AND AS NANCY MENTIONED, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A HUGE POPULATION OF PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 55 WHO ARE HOMELESS, NOT BECAUSE OF ADDICTION ISSUES BUT BECAUSE A FINANCIALLY CANNOT AFFORD A PLACE TO LIVE AND THAT IS UNCONSCIONABLE IN THIS COMMUNITY OF WEALTH THAT WE HAVE HERE. WITH THE MINIMUM WAGE GOING UP, THIS PROJECT WILL BE GREAT FOR THE HOUSE KEEPERS OUT THERE FOR THE DISHWASHERS, THE PEOPLE IN OUR TOURIST INDUSTRY. THIS PROJECT IS REALLY FOR THEM. BECAUSE IT IS WORKFORCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.HAT HAPPENED TO THE FOCUS ON THE HOME THROUGH THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT HAS CHANGED IN THE HOMELESS WILL BE LEFT OUT YET AGAIN. YOU'VE TAKEN AWAY OUR HOPE TO BE HOUSED IN THE AND BEEN COUNTING ON THE PROJECT FOR YEARS AND WE HAVE BEEN REASSURING THEM AND OUR DONORS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD COME TO FRUITION. UNFORTUNATELY I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT IN CASE THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> MICAH DAVIS 23 PARK TERRACE DRIVE. I WANT TO ECHO ELLEN AND HER COMMENTS. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME. MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED WITH US ON THIS PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME TO READ AND WE UNDERSTAND THE WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR THESE COMMENTS ARE IN THE WAY AGAINST WORKFORCE HOUSING. WE CAN'T FORGET THAT WHEN THE COUNTY CAME TO US AND SAID YOU HAVE A SHOVEL READY PROJECT THAT WE CAN USE THIS FEMA MONEY FOR, HOME AGAIN SAID WE HAVE A 99 YEAR LEASE. WE STEPPED OUT OF THE WAY SO THAT MONEY COULD BE SPENT ON WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS HELPING THE HOMELESS. SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE PROJECT OR LOCATION THAT HELPS THE HOMELESS, WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHERE THAT IS GOING TO BE. AND THAT IS ON ALL OF US IN THIS COMMUNITY TO DO THAT. ARE SITE WITH TWO STAFF PEOPLE HAVE PUT 25 PEOPLE TO WORK THIS YEAR FROM YOU WERE THE ONLY DROP-OFF CENTER, YOUR ONLY PLACE OPEN THROUGHOUT ALL COVID BOARD WHENEVER SOMEONE CAME UP WE SERVED THEM AND TOOK CARE OF THEM TO RUIN WE HAVE DONE THE JOB HELPING WITH THE HOMELESS. WE NEED A DROP-OFF CENTER BROKEN WE NEED A PLACE THAT IS A HURRICANE SHELTER FOR HOMELESS. YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO THERE ARE SEVERAL GROUPS WHO DO NOT DO WELL IN HURRICANE SHELTERS IN THE HOMELESS ARE ONE OF THEM. WE HOPED THAT WOULD BE ON THE SITE AND. DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT IS NOW ON THIS SITE. THAT IS WHAT THE SERVICE BUILDING WAS GOING TO DOUBL LAST. SO THIS IS NOT WHERE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OF WHERE IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. PBECAUSE IS GOING TO BE MORE AN MORE NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITY AS WE GROW THROUGH THE HOMELESS AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE, THE NUMBERS WILL NOT GO DOWN. WE GO THROUGH ANOTHER ECONOMIC DOWNTURN THERE WILL BE EVEN LARGER NUMBERS. AND HAVING SOMEONE YOU ARE TRYING TO GET A JOB FOR AND THEY CAN GO SOMEWHERE TO DO THEIR LAUNDRY AND TAKE A SHOWER IS A BASIC REQUIREMENT TO ME OF [02:15:01] GETTING THEM FROM LIVING IN THE WOODS TO GETTING THEM INTO A JOB. ONE OF THE SUCCESS STORIES THIS YEAR IS A WOMAN LIVING IN HER CAR THAT WAS DOING COMPUTER WORK FOR A LARGE FIRM. SHOULD DRIVE UP EVERY MORNING, HOOK UP TO OUR INTERNET AND WORK UNTIL SHE SAVED ENOUGH MONEYTHAT SHE COULD GET INTO HOUSING. SHE IS NOW IN THE HOUSING. THAT IS WHEN OUR SUCCESS STORIES. WE LOSE A LOCATION OR A HOME AGAIN TO DO THAT, WE LOSE THE ABILITY TO BE SUCCESSFUL . SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO RETHINK WHERE HOME AGAIN OR WHERE THIS PIECE OF THE HOMELESS PUZZLE NOW FITS AND HOW WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT. THE GOAL OF YOU ALL ARE WILLING WORK TO DO THAT. BUT AS ELLEN SAID, IT'S A LITTLE DISCOURAGING THAT WE WORK THIS LONG FOR THEM IN THE HOUSING COMPONENT WILL BE LEFT OUT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT IF IT GOES AWAY. AND THAT IS UNFORTUNATE. BUT I LOOK FOR ALL OF YOU ALL TO SOLVE THE AND I THINK YOU ARE GOOD WELL-INTENTIONED PEOPLE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU TO DO THAT. >> MY NAME IS FATHER JOHN GILLESPIE, PASTOR OF SAINT SEBASTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, 1112 STATE ROAD 16 32084. WOULD UNDERLINE A NUMBER OF THE COMMENTS MADE ALREADY. I AM TRYING NOT TO COMPETE REPEAT THEM. AND IS PARTICULARLY AS MIKE DAVIS JUST INDICATED, OUR HOPE AND TRUST IS THAT OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE UNDERSTANDING, COMPETENT AND COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE AND CONCERNED ABOUT THE WELFARE OF ALL THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. WE ARE CONCERNED PARTICULARLY ABOUT A GROUP THAT TENDS TO SLIP OFF THE LIST OR FALL OFF THE MAP AND GET FORGOTTEN. AND WE ARE AFRAID SOMETHING OF THAT MAY BE HAPPENING NOW. AS WAS SAID EARLIER, I COULDN'T BE HAPPIER THAN TO SEE YOU SUPPORTING WORKFORCE HOUSING. I THINK THAT IS WONDERFUL. THAT ISN'T WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD WAS HAPPENING PARIS IN IT FEELS LIKE A SHELL GAME IN WHICH THE P WAS PUT UNDER THE SHELL AND MOVED AROUND AND NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WE ARE SAYING THAT DOESN'T LOOK AT ALL LIKE WHAT WE SIGNED ON FOR! IT HAS BEEN PRACTICALLY GUTTED BECAUSE OF THE NICHE IT IS AIMED AT. AND THE DETAILS WERE GIVEN IN THEM SURE YOU HAVE THEM.BUT THE DINING WITH DIGNITY. ONE OF THE ACTIVITIES OF HOME AGAIN ST. JOHN'S. WE ARE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT A COALITION OF 40 CHURCHES ALL OVER THE COUNTY. ST. JOHN'S TO DOWN SOMETIMES OUTSIDE THE COUNTY. AND WE COME TOGETHER TO FEED THE HUNGRY AND THE HOMELESS I WAS INVOLVED FOR 30 YEARS WITH ST. FRANCIS HOUSE AS PASTOR AT GAINESVILLE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA CATHOLIC STUDENT CENTER. I CAME TO THE COUNTY TO SERVE AT SAINT SEND SEBASTIAN'S 11 YEARS AGO. FOR 10 YEARS I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH HOME AGAIN ST. JOHN'S HE WAS HOPEFUL AND WORKING HARD ON PUTTING IN AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE TOWARDS THIS PARTICULAR POPULATION. AND LABOR ARE BEING MISSED AGAIN. WE THOUGHT WE HAD FORMED A PARTNERSHIP TO SEE THE DREAM REALIZED. AND WE HAVE BEEN TELLING OUR SUPPORTERS ALL OVER FINALLY WE ARE IN THE HOME STRETCH. EXCEPT IT KEPT GETTING STRETCHED OUT AND STRETCHED OUT AND STRETCHED OUT. NOW AS WE SEE MORE CLOSELY THE DETAILS, WE HAVE BEEN ÃI HAVE BEEN, I WON'T SPEAK FOR OTHERS. DUPED.>> MY NAME IS DWIGHT MILLER. AND LIVE WITH MY WIFE AT 1107 IN SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH AND I ALSO AM A MEMBER OF CARE. I KNOW IS IN ALL OF YOU ANYMORE YESTERDAY. THAT'S NOT WHY I'M NOT TALKING OUT OF ORDER RIGHT NOW PUT IN FACT, I DIDN'T THINK I HAD TO MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY. BUT NOW CONCERNED WE ARE WITH THE HOMEOWNERS WHO MAY NOT GET THEIR MONEY OUT OF EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. IT'S IN THERE AND I KNOW YOU WANT TO GIVE IT TO THEM IN A KNOW YOU ARE WORKING HARD TO TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT I GUESS WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOMELESS IN THE CARE AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ECHO THE COMMENTS HE JUST MADE ABOUT IT IS EXCITING TO BE HOMES BEING BUILT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE IN THE WORKFORCE MINIMUM-WAGE JOBS BECAUSE WE NEED THAT FOR THE ECONOMY AND OF COURSE FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, I COULD BE WRONG. BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE REALLY ONLY TWO PLACES WHERE HOUSING IS PROVIDED FOR HOMELESS. THAT IS ST. FRANCIS HOUSE AND TO THE EFFORTS OF THE HOMELESS COALITION. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE MANY MORE PEOPLE WHO WANT PERMANENTHOMES [02:20:01] . PERHAPS NOT THE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE NOW. AND MAYBE THERE WILL BE MORE. AND I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO DELIVER ON THAT PROMISE. I NOT ALREADY FROM A LIMITED TIME SPENT ON THESE MEETINGS AND CORRESPONDING WITH YOU ALL, YOU WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING OF COURSE. I HEARD ABOUT HIM AGAIN ST. JOHN'S WHEN WE FIRST MOVED OUT HERE WHEN IT WAS FIRST CREATED. AND WILL MIKE DAVIS HAS BEEN WORKING HARD ON THAT. IN OUR CHURCH HAS PARTICIPATED IN DINING WITH DIGNITY SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS WONDERFUL PROGRAM. BUT WE JUST HAVE TO VOTE THE VOTE THE SAME ENERGY TO THAT GROUP THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DEVOTE TO OTHER PEOPLE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TOWN WHO NEED A PLACE TO LIVE MORE PEOPLE ARE FINDING THEM SELVES IN SITUATIONS. PLEASE MAKE THIS A PRIORITY. SEE TO IT THE PEOPLE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT LAND DO SOMETHING TO MAKE IT HAPPENED. I KNOW YOU ARE OPEN TO IT, I KNOW YOU WORK WITH PEOPLE LIKE MIKE AND WE CAN DO ANYTHING TO HELP YOU, PLEASE LET US KNOW. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. YES, MA'AM? >> PJ, WAS SEDUCING AUGUSTINE. THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION SHOULD BE DENIED BASED ON FINDING F FACT NUMBER SEVEN. THERE IS A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE IN KEEPING THE EXISTING ZONING. THE LANGUAGE IN THE MAJOR MODIFICATION STATES AT THE DISCRETION DISERETI ON OF THE DEVELOPER , THEY CAN PROVIDE TRANSITIONAL, WORKFORCE OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE USE OF THE WORD MAY WITH REGARD TO THE SOCIAL ASSISTANCE OFFICE AN EMERGENCY SHELTER, WHICH ARE REQUIRED FOR THE CDB OF ÃDR AND HUD FINANCING IS TOO VAGUE. I APPRECIATE THE SPEAKER WHO INFORMED US THAT HOME AGAIN IS STILL PROVIDING SHOWERS AT 1850 STATE ROAD 207 FOR THE HOMELESS. BECAUSE I ASKED THE STAFF MEMBER BACK IN MARCH AND THAT WAS NOT BEING DONE.SOME GLAD FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. TURNSTONE DEVELOPMENT IS AN ALLEGED 501(C)(3), WHICH MEANS THEIR FINANCE RECORDS ARE NOT AVAILABLE TOTHE PUBLIC AS THE COUNTIES FINANCES .I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS AND I ATTENDED THE MEETING ON AUGUST 5. MANY QUESTIONS WERE ASKED BY ME AND NOT ANSWERED BY MR. HARTMAN, HIS TEAM WERE MR. FREEMAN. BECAUSE MR. FREEMAN DID NOT MAKE THE PRESENTATION. AND ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TODAY, NUMBER 13, HOME AGAIN HAS A LEASE NOW. AND THAT WAS ALLEGED WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH HOME AGAIN AND THERE WAS NO ANSWER ON AUGUST 5, 2021. I WONDER IF MR. HARTMAN REACHED OUT TO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PGA AFTER THE AUGUST 5, 2021 MEETING. THE COMMENT BY THE CHAIR ABOUT HOW WONDERFUL THINGS ARE IN WEST JACKSONVILLE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS NOT A PLACE WERE TOO MANY PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN WEST JACKSONVILLE BECAUSE OF WHAT GOES ON IN WEST JACKSONVILLE. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE FROM HOME AGAIN SHOWING UP TODAY HAVING TALKED WITH YOU ALL. BUT I WISH SOME OF THIS HAD BEEN DISCUSSED AT THE AUGUST 5 FISHED ON DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE THE WHOLE QUESTION IS ABOUT THEM GETTING THE MONEY IS A 501(C)(3) AND TRANSITIONAL NOT BEING PROVIDED FOR THE HOMELESS. AND THAT IS WHAT THE ORDINANCE IN 2015 Ã24 WAS ALL ABOUT. AND SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING HOW YOU HANDLE THIS TODAY. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU. BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> I GET THE SENSE, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, THAT THERE IS A SERIOUS DISCONNECT ON THIS ITE . THE REASON I SAY THAT IS THAT ONE PRINCIPLE I HAVE ALWAYS [02:25:03] TRIED TO LIVE BY IS A PROMISE MADE IS A PROMISE KEPT. IN THE LAST WEEK OR TWO, HAVING RECEIVED EMAILS AND COMMENTS MADE TODAY THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS EITHER BETRAYED SOMEONE OR DUPED SOMEONE IS VERY DISTURBING TO ME. BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE WAY THIS ITEM WAS EXPLAINED TO ME. WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I GOT SEVERAL OF THOSE EMAILS I CONTACTED OUR STAFF WHO WALKED ME THROUGH THIS AND EXPLAINED I UNDERSTOOD THIS CORRECTLY AND IF I DIDN'T I WOULD APOLOGIZE. BUT I THOUGHT WHEN WE MET THROUGH THE GRANT THERE WERE LIMITATIONS OR PARAMETERS BASED ON THE NEW HUD POLICY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO LEAN MORE TOWARD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, RATHER THAN HOMELESS HOUSING OR LOW INCOME HOUSING. AND THAT WE WERE IN A POSITION WHERE WE WERE BASICALLY HAVING TO REACT TO CONSTRAINTS OR PARAMETERS OF THE FEDERAL PROGRAM THAT LED US TO THIS DECISION. IF I'M WRONG, I NEED THAT BETTER EXPLAINED TO ME TODAY. BECAUSE I FOR ONE AM NOT GOING TO GO BACK ON A PROMISE, PARTICULARLY ON ALL OF US SINCE I HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING ON THIS BOARD HAVE BEEN COMMITTED TO TRYING TO DO ALL THAT WE CAN FOR THE HOMELESS, ALL WE CAN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I DON'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TWO AS MUCH AS I WANT TO HELP BOTH. THAT'S MY POSITION. AND SO I WOULD LIKE MY UNDERSTANDING TO EITHER BE REINFORCED BY THE STAFF WERE CORRECT ME WHERE I AM WRONG. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN, YOU ARE CORRECT. >> I WANT TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER DEAN SAID. OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY USED TODAY IS CONCERNING. THERE IS A BROKEN TRUST OR THAT. I BELIEVE WHEN WE MAKE A COMMITMENT AS A BOARD WE NEED TO KEEP THAT COMMITMENT. MAYBE MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS IS DIFFERENT. MAYBE THERE IS A COMMUNICATION ISSUE. BUT WE HAVE HEARD IN PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS DISCUSSED FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM BEFORE. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE STAND UP HERE TODAY AND POINT OUT THEY WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THERE WAS A COMMITMENT MADE. SOME OF THIS HAPPENED PRIOR TO COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND MYSELF BEING ON THE BOARD, BUT I PUT GREAT WEIGHT ON WHEN THE BOARD MAKES A COMMITMENT THIS IS IMPORTANT. THIS IS NOT A REFLECTION ON THESE GENTLEMEN HERE. BUT IF WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO DO THIS, THAT WEIGHS HEAVILY ON ME. I'M NOT SURE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN. CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION ON THIS? CAN WE CLARIFY WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS? >> SURE MR. CHAIRMAN. AND SO I THINK THE ONE CLARIFICATION I THINK IS IMPORTANT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE IS THAT THERE IS NO EXCLUSION OF SERVING HOMELESS POPULATION FROM THIS PROJECT. AND SO THE ENTIRE 96 UNIT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS RENTAL UNITS ARE GOING TO BE OPEN FOR LOW TO MODERATE INCOME. THE SAME THING SUMMER LOW INCOME HOUSING UNITS. IN THE RENT RANGE CAN GO AS LOW AS $200 PLUS. AND I THINK IF YOU RECALL, WE ASKED TURNSTONE AS WELL AS THE OTHER PROJECT TO SET ASIDE 10 PERCENT FOR HOMELESS VETERANS PREFERENCE. THAT IS ONE INDICATION THAT THESE HOUSINGS ARE RESERVED FOR ALL THE POPULATIONS WHO MIGHT NEED AND FITS IN THE INCOME CATEGORY. NO, THERE MIGHT BE A SMALL POPULATION WHO DOES NOT HAVE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCE TO PAY THE LOW RENT THAT THEY ARE STRUCTURED. THAT IS WHERE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SOCIAL SERVICES CAN COME IN PLAY TO PLACE THEM INTO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT THE BOARD IS ESTABLISHED FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO I THINK THIS PROGRAM DOES SERVE THE POPULATION THAT HOME AGAIN RIGHTFULLY ADVOCATING FOR. IN A DIFFERENT FASHION. I THINK THIS FUNDING SOURCE AND ONE CLARIFICATION, AND IS NOT FEMA FUNDING BROKEN IT HAS A VERY STRINGENT REQUIREMENT AND HOW YOU CAN SPEND THE MONEY ON TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IS NO LONGER SUPPORTED MODEL BY HUD. IT HAS TO BE HOUSING FIRST MODEL, WHICH THE CONCEPT BASICALLY IS YOU ARE HOUSING EVERYONE IN A SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE RESPONSIBLE WAY AND [02:30:01] HAVE TO ABIDE BY PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COVENANT. AND I'M NOT VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE WONDERFUL SOCIAL SERVICES TEAM AND HOME AGAIN HAS A WONDERFUL TEAM OF VOLUNTEERS THAT CAN ASSIST THOSE RESIDENTS TO BE PART OF A PRODUCTIVE SOCIETY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. DAVIS TO COME BACK UP HERE. USED A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.AND GOING TO STEP OUT OF OUR NORMAL PROCEDURES HERE. MR. DAVIS, USED A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE EARLIER ABOUT A YOUNG LADY? BASED ON WHAT WE SAID HERE, WOULD SHE FIT INTO THIS CATEGORY? >> I WOULD ASK IF YOU LET ELLEN WALTON COME BACK UP WHO IS OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WHO DEALS WITH THE IN AND OUT DAY AND THE DOLLARS OF IT. BECAUSE ONE OF ELLEN'S COMMENTS TO ME EARLIER IN THE DAY, AND I DON'T WANT TO MISREPRESENT THAT, IS IT THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO WON'T QUALIFY BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET THE LOW INCOME THRESHOLD. NOW, MS. ANDREWS COMMENT IS THERE IS SOME WAY THE COUNTY IS GOING TO WRAP SERVICES AROUND THEM AND HELP THEM GET INTO THAT, WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS PART OF THIS AGREEMENT SO WE KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE HOMELESS WE ARE TRAINED WHAT PERCENTAGE WE ARE TRYING TO GET INTO THIS PROJECT WILL BE AT MY FEAR IS IFWE DON'T DO THAT WE DON'T GET THAT DETAILED RIGHT NOW , TWO YEARS FROM NOW WE WILL FIND OUT THERE IS ZERO HOMELESS THAT ARE IN THIS PROJECT WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO HOUSE HOMELESS. AND SO WOULD ASK IF YOU ASK ELLEN THE QUESTION SHE MAY YOU GIVE YOU THE MONETARY DETAILS BUT COULD YOU COME FORWARD? THANK YOU. COULD USE A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE? GOOD MORNING. >> SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT WOMAN RIGHT NOW IS HOUSED. SHE DID GET HOUSED. AND HER INCOME WOULD MEET THE 15,000 FOR THE 15,000 THRESHOLD. BUT MOST OF OUR HOMELESS WILL NOT MEET THAT THRESHOLD. SO IF THE MINIMUM INCOME FOR AN INDIVIDUAL IS 15,220, THEY WILL NOT MEET THAT THRESHOLD. AND SO ARE DISABLED CURRENTLY LIVING IN THEIR CARS, HOME AGAIN HAS ABOUT EIGHT RIGHT NOW AND THREE OF THEM ARE OVER 75 YEARS OLD IN THEIR CARS AND THE INCOME IS LESS THAN $1000 A MONTH.AND SO THOSE FOLKS WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE. HOWEVER, I DID HEAR JOY MENTION THAT THERE WERE OTHER PROGRAMS AVAILABLE THAT COULD HELP THEM SUBSIDIZE INTO THOSE APARTMENTS. BUT HOW CAN WE ASSURE THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE SERVED! ET ME ASK YOU, YOU TRACKING THE CHANGE IN THE STANDARDS? WERE YO AWARE OF THOSE CHANGES THAT SHE OUTLINED? >> I WAS NOT. >> ARE YOU AWARE WE WERE LOOKING ON 10 PERCENT FOR HOMELESS VETERANS AS WELL. >> I WAS AWARE THAT. >> AND WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALL HAVE THE SAME UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE VALIDCONCERNS. WE ARE TRYING TO MATCH OUR UNDERSTANDING . >> I THINK TURNSTONE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING. BUT I STILL THINK WE NEED MORE ON PAPER THAN WHAT IS THERE. >> SURE.HANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? >> WERE TO BE STAND IN THE RELOCATION FOR HOME AGAIN IS THIS POINT? >> AT THIS TIME AND DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED SIDE COULD WE OFFERED A LIST OF INVENTORY POTENTIAL COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY AND POTENTIAL SUITABLE PRIVATE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE OFFERED OUR FACILITATION IN ANY ABILITY THAT WE CAN OFFER TO FACILITATE THAT CONVERSATION. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >>PAUL WALDRON: SINCE YOU ARE HERE WE ARE KIND OF WINGING IT TODAY. BUT WHERE IS HOME AGAIN IN THAT PROCESS? IS THERE A LOCATION YOU LIKE? ARE THERE FACILITIES? I'M SORRY, YOU COULD SAY IT CLOSER. >> I GET LOTS OF EXERCISE EVERY DAY.ANYWAY, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE URBAN GROUP. THE LAST UPDATE THEY HAD THEY ARE IN NEGOTIATIONS RIGHT NOW WITH A PROPERTY THAT THE VA HAD GIVEN. THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY ONE INDIVIDUAL AND OF COURSE THE MODULUS ARE OWNED BY THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION. KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT [02:35:05] THAT AND THEY BEEN MEETING WEEKLY AND I KNOW THEY ARE SEARCHING IN OTHER PLACES AS WELL TO SEE IF THEY CAN FIND A LOCATION FOR US. AS YOU KNOW, THE TIME IS TICKING ON.WE HAVE UNTIL OCTOBER 14 I BELIEVE IS THE DAY WE HAVE TO VACATE. AND SO WE HAVE BEEN BUSY PACKING. AND IF WE DO NOT FIND A LOCATION, THERE IS GOING TO BE A HUGE HOLE IN THE SERVICES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDED TO OUR HOMELESS. >> I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING. I THINK WE NEED A FACILITY CLOSER TO THE SERVICES, CLOSER TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA, CLOSER TO WHERE EVERYBODY IS. YOUR SPEAKING OF AN ARRAY OF PEOPLE. YOU ELDERLY, YOU HANDICAPPED, YOU HAVE PEOPLE ÃRIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO WORK AT WENDY'S AND MAKE 21,020 $5000 A YEAR. I MEAN, IF WE CAN GET PEOPLE ON THE JOB TRACK, I'M SURE THEY ARE HURTING, EVERYBODY IS HURTING FOR WORKERS. AND SO THAT IS A BIG THING WE NEED TO SUPPORT NOW BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO BE IN THOSE KINDS OF FACILITIES OR OTHER HOUSING FACILITIES. IT IS UNFORTUNATE THERE IS SOME YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HELP GET OUT OF THAT SITUATION. >> THAT IS TRUE THERE ARE SOME THAT WILL BE IN THE WOODS FOREVER. THAT THERE HAS BEEN A HUGE UPTICK ON THE NUMBER OF DEATHS WE HAVE HAD SO FAR THIS YEAR. WE TRACKED THE BAT VERY CAREFULLY AND WE HONOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS AT THE END OF THE YEAR. LAST YEAR IT WAS UP ABOUT SIX PERCENT. AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE ALREADY SURPASSED THE DEATHS WE HAD LAST YEAR. AND MANY ARE HEAT EXHAUSTION, INFECTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THINK WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND WE NEED TO HELP THEM HEAD FORWARD. WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH IT. I RETIRED ROM THE COUNTY IS A SOCIAL SERVICES DIRECTOR AND I WORKED IN THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES ARENA FOR OVER 40 YEARS. AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT AS BAD AS I SEE IT NOW. MOST THAT I AM SEEING ON 207, THEY ARE ECONOMICALLY HOMELESS. THEY ARE NOT ADDICTED TO SUBSTANCES. SO THE PERCENTAGE OF THOSE OUT THE 20 7/4 IS SMALL. IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT POPULATION IN DOWNTOWN AUGUSTINE THEN IT IS OUT THERE. AND WE HAD PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE DAY COMING IN AND ASKING. AND WE DO A LOT. BUT THE TWO, MYSELF AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE VOLUNTEERS, WE DO IT ALL. IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR HEART AND IT CANNOT BE ADULT DOING IT FOR THE MONEY. >> WE ARE GOING TO GO. >> I DON'T KNOW WHO THE BEST PERSON TO ASK THIS, BUT WHEN I HAD MY MEETING WITH HIS TEAM THERE, WE DID DISCUSS, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT DISPLACING THE HOMELESS FROM THESE NEEDED SERVICES. WHAT CAPACITY DOES ST. FRANCIS HOUSE HAVE TO TAKE ON SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT WE ARE BEING PROVIDED. DOES ANYBODY KNOW? I SPOKE WITH SOMEBODY THIS WEEK IS TO THE HOMELESS IN SHOWERS AND LAUNDRY MORE THAN ANY OTHER SERVICES AND I'M NOT SURE IF ST. FRANCIS PROVIDES THE SERVICES. AM ACUTELY AWARE OF THE FACT IS MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO WORK, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE MANY HELP-WANTED SIGNS ALL OVER SAINT AUGUSTINE. THOSEWHO CAN'T WORK DO NEED OUR HELP. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT . >> THE SHOWERS IN THE LAUNDRY ARE A HUGE HELP. WE TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE PEOPLE READING THE ONE WORKING IF WE HAVE TO MEET THEMAFTER HOURS FOR THEM TO GET A QUICK SHOWER TO BE ABLE TO GO TO WORK CLEAN , WE TRY TO DO THAT. AS FAR AS ST. FRANCIS GOES, THEY RUN THE HOUSING CRISIS CENTER TO READ IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE HOUSING PROGRAM, YOU ARE NOT PUTTING YOUR HEAD ON A PILLOW THAT NIGHT OREGON SO THEY HAVE TO BE ACTIVELY RECEIVING SERVICES. WHAT WE REMEMBER FROM 20 YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS AN EMERGENCY SHELTER, IT'S NOT THAT ANYMORE. THESE HOUSING CRISIS CENTER. SHOWERS ARE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. >> JUST TO THE BOARD, I DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHETHER I WAS A PART OF THE BOARD AT THAT TIME OR NOT. BUT I HAPPEN TO LOVE THE PRODUCT THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING HERE. I WAS AN HOURLY EMPLOYEE MAKING THE WAGES. I COULD HAVE AFFORDED A PLACE, IN APARTMENT OR A PLACE LIKE THIS. BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO HERE. THAT IS SORT OF WHERE I AM.> I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I THINK THE PROJECT IS A GREAT PROJECT. I THINK THE CONCERN IS HOW DO WE ADDRESS THIS ONGOING ISSUE HE WOULD COMMISSIONER SMITH. [02:40:01] > WHAT HAPPENS TO THE FUNDING IF THIS IS NOT PROPOSED. IF THIS IS NOT TRUE TODAY BUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS PROJECT. >> WE WILL NOT MEET THE TIMELINE AND WE WILL FORFEIT THE PROJECT THROUGH THE FUNDING THAT COMES WITH THE PROJECT. >> THAT MAKES MY DECISION. >> THERE YOU GO. ! COMMISSIONER WALTER? >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FROM THAT. MATT, IS THERE A WAY THAT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME OR THE FACILITIES KEPT OPERATIONAL UNTIL WE FIND A PLACE FOR THEM TO BRING THEIR SERVICES IN ANOTHER AREA? WERE THERE IS ONE BUILDING TO BE FOR TRANSITIONAL YEAR OR TWO BEFORE IT TAKES TO GET HOME AGAIN BACK ON THE UNIT OR THEY COULD DO THE SERVICES? I WILL WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE FINISHED. >> I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T YOU USE WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR POTENTIALLY A BLOCK OF THESE UNITS TO BE RESERVED FOR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. BUT I DO KNOW THE FACILITY DOES NOT HAVE AS COMMON AREA LAUNDRY PROPOSED, COMMON AREA FACILITIES NECESSARILY. THAT MAY BE PROVIDED THERE NOW. I CAN SPEAK WITH TURNSTONE AND WORK THROUGH THAT ROUTE ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >> YOU HAVE EARNED SOME OF THE CONCERNS HERE. I THINK WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO GRAPPLE WITH HER IN VESELY WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THIS, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT LEAVING PEOPLE BEHIND WHO ARE COUNTING ON THIS IS A COMMITMENT. SO ANYTHING YOU CAN HELP THE FACILITY THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL! MICHAEL HARTMAN. WE HAVE ALMOST DEVELOPMENT IN ILLINOIS, BUT TO MAKE THAT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE, WE HAD TO SECURE SECTION 8 CERTIFICATES FOR EVERY UNIT AND THEY WEREN'T AVAILABLE TO THIS COUNTY. THIS PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED BY HOME AGAIN SIX YEARS AGO. IN YOUR PCA CHAIRMAN, WHO IS ALSO A MEMBER OF ABILITY HOUSING, LYCOS IS A NONPROFIT THAT PROVIDES AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LOOKED AT THIS AS A TRANSITIONAL HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND SAID IT WASN'T ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE AND THEREFORE THEY DECLINED TO PARTNER ON THIS PROJECT. WHEN WE ORIGINALLY SAW THE SITE, WE ASKED IF WE NEEDED TO RESERVE SOME SPACE FOR HOME AGAIN. BECAUSE WE LIKE THEIR MISSION. WE HAVE ONE AT OUR PROPERTY IN ILLINOIS. WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY WERE GOING TO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WE SHOULD DESIGN IT 100 PERCENT AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO WE DID THAT AND MOVED FORWARD TO ALL THE PROCESSES THAT HAD TO BE APPROVED. ONE OF THOSE PROCESSES AS JOY WAS SAYING, THERE IS WHAT IS CALLED A HUD PART 58 APPROVAL THAT TOOK US FOUR MONTHS. IF WE WENT BACK AND CHANGED ANYTHING ON THE SITE NOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THAT PROCESS AGAIN THE COUNTY WOULD LOSE THE CBG BECAUSE WE HAVE TO START BUILDING TO MEET THE GUIDELINES. WE ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH HOME AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY. WE ARE PARTNERING WITH THE COUNTY. WE FEEL LIKE IT IS OUR DEVELOPMENT WITH THE COUNTY. WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM. WE DID WHAT THEY ASKED US TO DO WE DID WITH THE COUNTY ASKED US TO DO. THAT IS WHY WE DESIGNED IT THE WAY WE DID. >> WE ARE GOING TO GO TO COMMISSIONER DEAN NEXT. >>HENRY DEAN: IN ADDITION ASKING THE APPLICANT ABOUT TEMPORARY TRANSITION, WE BETTER ASK HUD BECAUSE WE MIGHT END UP BEING IN A POSITION WHERE WE GET THE CHECK THAT. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> I THINK WE WERE AT A POINT NOW WHERE IT IS CLEAR TO ME EACH OF US HERE SITTING HERE WANT TO DO ALL WE CAN FOR THE HOMELESS. BUT BECAUSE OF RESTRICTIONS HUD IS A PLAN, OUR HANDS ARE TIED. WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT THE FUNDS WILL REVERT AND WE WILL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. THAT IS AS SIMPLE AS I CAN SAY IT. >> I THINK THIS PROBLEM IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH OUR [02:45:02] HOMELESS POPULATION. WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS DIRECT STAFF TO LOOK AT OPTIONS TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT. WE HAVE THE FUNDING THAT PUTS US IN A DIFFICULT POSITION. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROBLEM WE NEED TO ADDRESS.I GUESS WE ARE GOING OUT ORDER HERE, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. TAUGHT US THE BOARD TO DIRECT STAFF TO HELP US COME BACK WITH SOLUTIONS HERE AND WORK WITH HOME AGAIN. REGARDLESS WHAT HAPPENS, THE PROBLEM WILL STILL BE THERE. IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT ÃGO AHEAD. >> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT AND WANT TO USE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON THE RECORD DIMENSION EFFORTS REVIEW WITH HOME AGAIN IN THE COUNTY STAFF TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION PRIOR TO THIS MEETING BECAUSE WE HEARD THE CONCERNS TO MR. SCHNEIDER OFFERING AN AFFORDABLE MOU. WE SHARED WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS THROUGH THE MIDDLE LIST OF COMMITMENTS. AND THINK FROM MY READING AND UNDERSTANDING THE COMMITMENT LARGELY ADDRESSED SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF HOME AGAIN. THEY COMMITTED TO IF HE WERE DENYING ANYBODY REQUESTING TO BE HOUSED, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. THEY HAVE TO GIVE A REASON WHY IN THEM TO CONTACT A LOCAL HUMAN SERVICES AGENCIES TO SEE IF WE CAN WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE THEM ELIGIBLE. THERE ARE MEASURES THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH THEM TO PUT IN PLACE TO SEE IF WE CAN FACILITATE JUST THE NEEDS YOU ARE MENTIONING. ONE MORE THING WAS HOME AGAIN WAS NOT A HOMELESS SHELTER, BUT ALLEN HAD MENTIONED THERE WERE DAMAGE FROM SEVERE WEATHER WE SUSTAINED IN FLORIDA. ONE THING WE HAVE CONFIRMED WITH HUD THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE FOR US TO DO AND THAT IS REALLY THE PURPOSE OF US APPLY FOR THIS GRANT IS TO MAKE THIS EMERGENCY SHELTER. AND SO IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR US TO OPEN THE SERVICE HOLD TO SEVERE WEATHER, WHETHER IT IS HEAT OR COLD NIGHT. THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE OFFER. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOUR SUGGESTION AND I WILL TRY TO COBBLE TOGETHER A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF. BUT I WANT TO SAY AGAIN THE WHOLE ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS IN THIS COUNTY IS A MUCH BIGGER ISSUE THAN THIS APPLICATION. IT'S A BIGGER ISSUE FOR US TO SPEND MORE TIME AND ENERGY ON AND I'M HAPPY AND WILLING TO DO THAT.REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH ITEM 7, UP OR DOWN, I THINK WE SHOULD DIRECT STAFF TO COME UP WITH A WHITE PAPER IF YOU WILL ON THE CURRENT ISSUE OF THE HOMELESS POPULATION AND WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO US THAT WE CAN GET MORE TIME, ATTENTION AND EFFORT TO HELP SOLVE. I KNOW SPECIFIC INSTANCES TODAY WHERE THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN THE WOODS WHO HAVE FULL-TIME JOBS. LITERALLY. THEY ARE NOT DRINKING EVERY DAY, THEY ARE GOING TO WORK. THEY CAN'T AFFORD EVEN WHEN WILL HOUSING AND THEY LIVE IN THE WOODS. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EMBRACE YOUR OBJECTIVE. >> PLEASE. >> I WOULD LIKE THE MOVIE DIRECT STAFF TO LOOK AT ALL THE POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES AVAILABLE TO THECOUNTY , WHICH CAN ADDRESS SOLVING THE HOMELESS PROBLEM IN THE COUNTY, PARTICULARLY WITH PROVIDING TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AND ANY OTHER BENEFITS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM. THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN TO DIRECT STAFF. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? >> JUST FOR THE RECORD, I THINK YOUR EARLIER PUBLIC COMMENT, I THINK THIS MOTION IS ANCILLARY TO THAT. >> THAN YOU. >> EVERYONE PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5/0. WE STILL HAVE THE MATTER OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. >> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION PARIS IN IF YOU WISH. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021. [02:50:08] >> 51. >> APPROVE MAJOR MOD 2021 Ã04 VICTORIA CROSSING BASED UPON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT >> SECOND . >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN ON A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5/0. ALRIGHT FOLKS. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE HERE. HOPE EVERYONE HAD A GOOD LUNCH BREAK. [8. Public Hearing * COMPAMD 2021-11 Property Rights Element. Transmittal Hearing for a Comprehensive Plan Text amendment to include a Property Rights Element in compliance with Section 163.3199(6)(i), Florida Statutes (2021). House Bill 59 amends the Community Planning Act to require local governments to include a private property rights element in their comprehensive plan. The bill was signed by the Governor and went into effect on July 1, 2021. The new statutory language requires St. Johns County to adopt this new element “by the earlier of the date of its adoption its next proposed plan amendment that is initiated after July 1, 2021, or the date of the next scheduled evaluation and appraisal of its comprehensive plan.” Section 163.177(6)(i), Florida Statutes (2021). The new statutory language also requires the inclusion of specific language in the property rights element. The proposed Policy I. Property Rights Element, incorporates the required statutory language in Objective I.1.1. The existing property rights language in Objective A.1.16 of the Land Use Element is relocated and renumbered in Objective I.1.2. The Florida Department of Economic Opportunity (DEO) interprets the new language to require adoption of the new property rights element before the adoption of any comprehensive plan amendment, including large scale and small scale amendments requested by private property owners.] WE WILL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM 8. THIS IS A PROPERTY RIGHTS DISCUSSION. BISHOP. >> THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. 21-11 AND IT IS FOR THE TRANSMITTAL OF THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT. HOUSE BILL 59 AMENDED THE COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT TO REQUIRE PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT IN ALL GOVERNMENT COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. THAT BILL BECAME EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2021. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS A PROPERTY RIGHTS OBJECTIVE, 116 AND RELATED PROPERTIES. HOUSE BILL 59 INCLUDED ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO BE INCLUDED AND REQUIRED THERE WOULD BE A PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT AS OPPOSED TO JUST AN OBJECTIVE GOAL AND POLICY. STAFF HAS ADD ELEMENT I. NOW WE HAVE NINE ELEMENTS IN OUR COMP PLAN AND GOAL I 1 IS A STATEMENT OF PROPERTY RIGHTS AND OUR OBJECTIVE I 11 IS THE FOLLOWING RIGHTS SHALL BE CONSIDERED AND POLICY I 111 AND THESE ARE WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE STATUTE, IS THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO PHYSICALLY POSSESS AND CONTROL HIS OR HER INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY LEADING EASEMENTS, LEASES AND MINERAL RIGHTS. I 112 IS THE ABILITY TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY FOR THE USE OF PERSON SUBJECT TO STATE LAW AND LOCAL ORDINANCES. POLICY THREE IS THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO PRIVACY AND TO EXCLUDE OTHERS FROM THE PROPERTY TO PROTECT PROPERTY. POLICY FOUR IS RIGHT OF A IMPORTANT OWNER TO DISPOSE HIS OR HER PROPERTY THROUGH A SALE. THE EXISTING OBJECTIVE A 116 HAS NOW BEEN MOVED OVER AND RELOCATED OVER INTO ELEMENT I. AND THOSE RELATED POLICIES ARE NOW I 121-I 124. THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEPARTMENT, DEO PROVIDED GUIDANCE THAT SAID THAT ANY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT PACKAGE SUBMITTED AFTER JULY 1ST WOULD BE RETURNED TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT HAVE A PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT ALREADY INCLUDE THAT. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY. THIS IS THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR THE PROPERTY RIGHTS AMENDMENT. >> STAFF HAS RECEIVED CORRESPONSENCE FROM 1,000 FRIENDS OF FLORIDA THEY PROVIDED A MODEL FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE. THE PLANNING SOME ZONING RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND STAFF OFFERS THREE FINDINGS OF FACT. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. PLANNING STAFF WORK CLOSELY WITH OFFICE OF COUNTY ATTORNEY. QUESTIONS MAY ALSO GO TO THEM. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING WITH COMMISSIONER -- >> 1000 FRIENDS AND THEY RAISED THE ISSUE OF ADEQUATE NOTICE. I THINK UNDER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BILL OF RIGHTS, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ADEQUATE PROVISION FOR ALL OF OUR LAND USE ACTION ITEMS. SO THAT'S TO ME NOT REALLY NEEDED ANY ADDITIONAL WORK. I ALSO FEEL LIKE I DON'T SEE ANY NEED FOR THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS TO REQUIRE A QUASI JUDICIAL VENUE OR SETTING. I THINK WE DO A VERY GOOD JOB. I THINK WE DO QUASI JUDICIAL [02:55:06] ITEMS THAT RECENTLY IN FACT ALLOWED OR REQUIRED ACTUALLY SWEARING IN OF WITNESSES AND THAT PARTICULAR ITEM THAT WE ADDRESSED I THOUGHT THAT NOT ONLY PROVIDED A SORT OF A MEASURE OF YOU KNOW EVERYONE TELLING IT LIKE IT IS. BUT IT WAS A VERY CIVIL PROCEDURE. EVERYONE SEEMED TO BE TAKING IT VERY SERIOUSLY. LASTLY, I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT JUST A SIMPLE MAJORITY VOTE REGARDLESS OF THE ITEM. I DON'T SUPPORT A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, FOR A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT FOR SUPER MAJORITY. I THINK WE AS A DEMOCRATIC BODY SHOULD OPERATE UNDER A SIMPLE MAJORITY. I WANTED TO TELL EVERYONE WHAT MY POSITION WAS AS THIS GOES FORWARD BECAUSE IT WILL BE COMING BACK TO US. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> SHALL WE DO PUBLIC COMMENT? >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. >> B.J. KLATY, IF MR. RESA OR SOMEONE CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING YOU HAVE TO DO THIS IN ORDER TO DO LIKE CHANGING ITEM NINE, 10, ELEVEN AND 12 BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IN THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT, IS THAT THE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THIS HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE LEGISLATURE IN JULY 1ST TO BE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND DO NUMBER NINE, 10 AND 11 AND 12 AS FAR AS I WAS READING SOME OF THIS INFORMATION. IF SHE CAN ANSWER THAT OR MAYBE ONE OF YOU ALL CAN ANSWER THAT OR THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM EIGHT? YES. CHRISTINE, COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. ITEMS THAT MISS KLATY POINTED OUT WERE NOT CAUGHT UP IN THE NEW LEGISLATION. HOWEVER, TRANSMITTAL OF ITEM TWO IS INITIATED AFTER JULY 1ST. SO APPROVING THIS ITEM TODAY FOR THE NEW PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT WOULD ACCOMPANY TRANSMITTAL OF ITEM THREE AND ALLOW THE REVIEW. >> THANK YOU. OKAY WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. I HAVE A QUESTION. >> I WANT TO ASK THE ATTORNEYS, THE NEW LANGUAGE YOU PUT UP ON THE BOARD. DOES ANY THAT OF VIOLATE THE RULE OF PERPETUITY? I ALWAYS WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION. >> DO YOU DESIRE TO BE A LAW SCHOOL PROFESSOR? HONESTLY, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT. THAT LANGUAGE IS PROVIDED IN THIS NEW LEGISLATION MANDATE BY THE STATE. >> IF I MAY THROUGH THE CHAIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. I WILL MAKE A MOTION. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER SMITH -- >> OKAY, I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE TRANSMITTAL OF 20-11 PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT MOTION THAT'S IT. >> SECOND. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. I'M SORRY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY [Items 9 & 10] COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. COMMENT? DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU. >> NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NINE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS THE SECOND READING THE FINAL ADOPTION TO FAMILY FARMS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND CODE. THESE CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD I WANT TO SAY TWO WEEK AGO ON AUGUST 3RD. THIS HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF THE BOARD SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY. FAMILY FARMS PROVISION AMENDS THE COMPREHENSIVE POLICY A 16 FOUR AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE [03:00:02] TO TERMINATE FAMILY FARMS AFTER A PERIOD OF SEVEN YEARS. THOSE LOTS BECOME LEGAL LOTS OF RECORD. THIS WAS INITIATED BECAUSE THERE WAS ISSUES WITH FAMILY FARMS WHERE PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE THERE ANYWHERE OR WERE MOVING AND SELLING OFF THE PROPERTY AND SUBDIVIDING SO WE FOUND QUITE A FEW INSTANCES THEY HAD TO COME BACK TO US FOR SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENTS AND WE WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE RELIEF. THIS REDUCES THE MINIMUM ACRE AGE LOT SIZE FROM 39 TO 28 ACRES TO 40 ACRES. WE PROVIDED TWO MOTIONS. ONE FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVISING A 16 WO, 2 AND 4 AND THERE'S PROPOSED MOTIONS FOR THIS AS WELL. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? >> WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 9. SEEING NONE. BACK TO THE BOARD. >> BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I WILL BE GLAD TO MOVE MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU. SIR. WE WILL DO 10 AND THEN NINE. IS THAT CORRECT? I APOLOGIZE EARLIER, I WAS WAY AHEAD. AGENDA ITEM 10. RECOMMEND APPROVAL. MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021-52. >> 52. >> TO ADOPT PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS REV REVISING A.1.1, 2, THREE, AND FOUR. WE HAVE A MOTION BY SMITH. SECOND BY DEAN. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASS 5-0. >> I WILL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NINE IF IT'S ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO ENACT 2021-53. TO ADOPT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO FAMILY FARM PROVISIONS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. [Items 11 & 12] NUMBER 11 AS WELL. >> YES. MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM 11. THIS IS THE AGENDA NUMBER 11 AND 12. IT'S SIMILAR COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENT. THIS IS REGARDING WORK FORCE HOUSING. BACKGROUND OF WORK FORCE HOUSING. I WILL BRIEF THIS BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF THE BOARD THREE TIMES. WE CREATED A WORK FORCE HOUSING DISTRICT IN APRIL. REQUIRED 40% OF ALL UNITS BE SOLD AT $210,000. THAT WAS EMBEDDED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THESE AMENDMENTS WOULD REMOVE THAT ELEMENT FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE MAX SALES PRICE AND REMOVE IT FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. PROVIDING SOME TYPE OF METRIC OR CHANGE WITH THE COST OF INCREASED COST OF CONSTRUCTION OR DECREASED COST O CONSTRUCTION. STAFF PROVIDED FOUR OPTIONS TO THE BOARD. ONE USING THE ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME. THE SECOND OPTION USING CONSTRUCTION COSTS INDEX WITH 3% CAP. THAT WOULD RESTART ANNUALLY AT $240,000 AND COULD INCREASE. THE THIRD OPTION WAS CONSTRUCTION COST WITH 3% CAP AS WELL. WHICH WILL COMPOUND ANNUALLY AND THE OTHER FOURTH OPTION WOULD BE TO PROVIDE THE $240,000 PRICE POINT MAXIMUM SALES PRICE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR LEAVE IT AT $210,000. THERE'S SEVERAL OPTIONS. POLICY DECISIONS FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE. AT THE AUGUST 3RD MEETING, SEEMED LIKE THE BOARD WAS PREFERENCED TOWARD OPTION TWO AND ONE. I WILL LEAVE THOSE UP FOR DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD AND STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? [03:05:03] SEEING NONE. WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE I SUGGEST AN OPTION MYSELF. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM, WHAT ARE WE ON >> 11. >> 11 AND 12. YES, SIR. >> IF WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE YOU BOTH LINE UP AT >> GOOD MORNING. GOOD AFTERNOON. >> 4220 RACE TRACK ROAD. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, I HAD SHOWN YOU, I EVERYBODY HAS TALKED ABOUT LUMBER FUTURES ARE COMING DOWN. I THINK WE HAVE ALL SEEN THAT TOO. LAST TIME OUT I SHOWED YOU PURCHASE ORDERS SHOWING YOU WHAT WE WERE SPENDING ON LUMBER AND WANTED TO RUN THROUGH THAT ONE MORE TIME. >> SO, AS YOU MAY RECALL THIS COMES IN TWO PACKAGES. ONE IS THE INITIAL FRAMING AND THEN AS WE GET READY TO DO THE ROOF, WE GET WHAT WE CALL A SECOND DROP. SO. AND YOU WILL SEE I HAVE THE DATE THERE. THEN THE PLAN NUMBERS SO YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE THE SAME THING AND OUR FIRST DROP IN JULY OF LAST YEAR WAS 3984. THE SECOND WAS ANOTHER $1,500. WE ENDED UP WITH A TOTAL IN JULY OF LAST YEAR OF ABOUT $5,500. THIS IS A PURCHASE ORDER THAT WAS ISSUED LAST WEEK. AND ON THIS ONE YOU WILL SEE AGAIN THE DATE AND THE PLAN NUMBER IS THE SAME. NOW IT'S UP TO A LOT OVER $10,000 FOR WHAT WE CALL THE FIRST DROP. THE SECOND ONE IS A LITTLE OVER $5,000. SO, WE'RE AT $16,400. AS OPPOSED TO $5,500 A YEAR AGO. SO. IT'S COMING DOWN. AND IT IS DOWN FROM THE PEAK A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. A LITTLE BIT BUT YOU CAN SEE IT'S STILL ABOUT THREE TIMES WHAT IT WAS A YEAR AGO. THE OTHER THING WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT LAST TIME IS DEVELOPMENT COSTS. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE NUMBERS. I HAVE GOT NUMBERS FROM TWO DEVELOPING BIDS. ONE IS FROM JULY OF 2020. WE DO NOT HAVE THE NAME OF THE CONTRACTOR ON ANY OF THESE BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT FAIR TO SHARE THEIR UNIT PRICING AND THAT KIND OF THING. THEN HERE'S ONE THAT WE JUST GOT IN AGAIN THE FIRST OF AUGUST. SO MY GUYS HAVE GONE THROUGH AND THIS SHEET BASICALLY SHOWS OUR RECENT BID, SHOWS THE BID FROM LAST JUNE. IT SHOWS WHAT THE INCREASE IS. OKAY. THE FIRST SHEET IS BASICALLY EXCAVATION, STRIPPING AND THAT KIND OF THING. YOU WILL SEE IT'S UP 10, 15%. SOME ITEMS A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT. THOSE ARE THE ITEMS MOSTLY LABOR. AS WE GET FURTHER INTO IT, YOU WILL SEE THAT SOME OF THESE ARE BLANK BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME ITEM. IN ONE BID AS IN THE OTHER. EACH JOB OBVIOUSLY TAKES DIFFERENT MATERIAL. THEY COMPARED EVERYTHING SIMILAR. THESE ARE GENERALLY, SOME OF THEM ARE UP OVER 50% YEAR OVER YEAR. THEY ARE GENERALLY UP 20%, 30%. >> BOB, YOU HAVE A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION AND I HESITATE TO WIND IT DOWN. CAN YOU SUMMARIZE? >> ONE LAST SHEET AND I'M DONE SIR. THE PVC PIPE IS THE ONE THAT'S REALLY GONE CRAZY. THAT'S UP 70%. JUST QUICKLY I THINK THE INCREASE IS NEEDED. EVERYONE WAS WONDERING ARE THE PRICES COMING DOWN AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL. WE STILL CAN'T GET MATERIAL AND THE PRICES ARE CRAZY. >> BETH READING SILVER FIELD DEVELOPMENT. TWO OF US SPEAKING TODAY ARE SOME OF THE VERY FEW GROUPS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE BROUGHT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS IN FRONT OF YOU. THE ONLY WAY WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT IS RAISE THIS AMOUNT. I IMPLORE YOU TO HELP US CONTINUE TO SERVE THIS MARKET THAT CURRENTLY ISN'T BEING SERVED. THANK YOU. >> IF I MAY THROUGH THE CHAIR. WE JUST HAD TWO OF THE COMMUNITY SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TALK. DO THEY HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHICH OF THE FINAL OPTIONS TO RECOMMEND? MAYBE THEY DID? MAYBE THEY DIDN'T? IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR THE BOARD [03:10:01] TO HEAR IF THEY DID. >> THE PRICING IS GOING TO CONTINUE OVER TIME. SO, SOMETHING THAT IS TIED TO AN INDEX MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. IF PRICES DO COME DOWN, THEN OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBER CAN COME DOWN. SO REALLY IT IS WHAT IS MAYBE, WHAT IS SIMPLEST TO ADMINISTER AND MOST APPEALS TO THE BOARD. >> THANK YOU. >> B.J. KLATY, CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. WEST NEWCOME. >> HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WORKING IN IT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY EARN $75,000 OR LESS? THIS FACT WAS IGNORED WHEN THIS ORDINANCE WAS DRAFTED. AND EVERYTHING IS GOING UP. CHECK YOUR FOOD PRICES. THE $240,000 PLUS SALES PRICE IS NOT AFFORDABLE. THE $210,000 SALES PRICE SHOULD HAVE REMAINED IN THE ORDINANCE TO BENEFIT THE WORKING POOR. DEVELOPERS CAN AND WILL INCREASE THE SALES PRICE ON OTHER UNITS IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS TO INCREASE THEIR BOTTOM LINE. AND TO COVER ALL OF THESE COSTS. THE NFRC AWARD TO THE COUNTY FOR THE WORK FORCE HOUSING ZONING DESIGNATION SHOULD BE RENAMED TLO MIROA AWARD. I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THE AFFORDABLE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING IT. I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO MAKE MONEY. THAT'S FINE. WE'RE NOT REALLY DEALING WITH THE ONES THAT REALLY NEED A HOME AS FAR AS YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT >> THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR. PUBLIC COMMENT CONCLUDED. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. >> RIGHT. SO IF THE BOARD WOULD CONSIDER ITEM 12. COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. I'M CURIOUS AS TO BY GOAL OR OBJECTIVE PATRICK IS TO ADOPT A MOTION WHICH INCLUDES OPTION NUMBER 2 WHICH IS THE CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX OF 3% CAP WHICH WE DISCUSSED ON AUGUST 3RD. DO I MAKE A MOTION ON 12? 11. WHICH ONE FIRST? I WAS GOING TO INSERT THE OPTION 2 ON THE MOTION ON ITEM 11 GIVEN THE SECOND OPTION HERE. THE SECOND MOTION. >> I'M NOT SURE WHY I DO 12 FIRST. HELP ME OUT. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, BECAUSE IT'S THE AMENDMENT TO THE COMP PLAN TO REMOVE THE 210 CAP. >> SO THAT'S 12. >> SO DO 12 FIRST AND THEN THE LDC CONSIDERATION. >> I WILL MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021-54. TO ADOPT PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVISING POLICY A .1, .11.1 POINT M SUBJECT TO THREE FINDINGS OF FACT. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO SAY I WILL NOT SUPPORT EITHER ONE. I THINK THE 210 PRICE WAS ORIGINALLY AGREED ON AND THINGS ARE CHANGING AND WILL COME DOWN. IN THE ORIGINAL MEETING, IT WAS NOT PROFITS OF 40%. THEY NEEDED TO MAKE A PROFIT. THE 60% WERE SOLD AT MARKET RATES WHICH THEY ARE PROBABLY GETTING 30 TO 40% MORE THAN THAN WERE A YEAR AGO. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHY I'M VOTING AGAINST IT. I LIKE THE COST ANALYSIS BUT I THINK IT'S FINE AT 210. >> THANK YOU. SIR. ANY FURTHER COMMENT OR DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD. SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE. NOT WORKING. >> THAT PASSES 4-1. >> I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION ON MR. >> PLEASE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021-55. TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO WORK FORCE HOUSING PROVISION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS, WHICH I WILL REFER TO OPTION 2. 3% CAP WHICH WE STARTS AT $240,000. >> SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER [13. Amendment to Board's Rules & Policies concerning request for funding. After Board discussion, OCA has drafted language to amend the Board's Rules & Policies adding language pertaining to funding requests. Rule 4.304 Request for Funding, Limitation Request for Board approval of funding for any particular matter shall be placed on the published regular agenda or consent agenda. Any funding request that is not so published shall be limited to $5,000 or less. Nothing herein shall limit the Board from revising and approving a published request for funding after Board consideration and public comment.] DEAN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? [03:15:01] ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENT FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 4-1. THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM 13. MR. MCCORMACK. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THIS IS AN ITEM TO HAVE THE BOARD CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR BOARD RULES AND POLICIES WHICH IF APPROVED BY THE BOARD WOULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF ADDING A RULE 4.304, I THINK YOU CAN READ IT THERE. IT'S IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE. ESSENTIALLY THIS IS DESIGNED SO THAT IF THERE ARE FUNDING REQUESTS, THEY BE PART OF YOUR PUBLISHED AGENDA. PUBLISHED REGULAR OR CONSENT AGENDA. IF NOT, THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO $5,000 OR LESS. NOW, THE BOARD RULES AND POLICIES DOES HAVE A PROVISION THAT THEY MAY BE SUSPENDED. IF THEY WERE SOME EMERGENCY SITUATION OR SOME OTHER VERY TIME CRITICAL SITUATION WHERE AT THAT POINT, FOUR OUT OF FIVE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD WANT TO APPROVE IT BY SUSPENDING THE RULES, THAT CERTAINLY CAN BE DONE. SO THAT IS JUST PROFFERED TO THE BOARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANY COMMENT OR DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? COMMISSIONER SMITH >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO OCA FOR COMPOSING THIS. I THINK IT WILL HELP AND RESOLVE ISSUES I HAD. THANK YOU. >> I AGREE. LET ME SAY AS WELL. I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT STEP. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AGENDA ITEMS. AGAIN THIS STILL ALLOWS US TO BRING UP COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. SOMETHING WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT OR FEEL WE NEED TO ADDRESS. WE CAN PUT ON THE NEXT RECORD OR AGENDA. IF AN EMERGENCY SITUATION COMES UP, IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY. THIS WAS A GREAT POINT AND ONE WE NEED TO ADDRESS. WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 13? ITEM 13. PUBLIC >> SEEING NONE. BACK TO YOU. >> THANK YOU. PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CLOSED. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I WILL MOVE THIS IF YOU DON'T MIND MR. CHAIRMAN. >> MOTION TO ADOPT 2021-361. ADDING RULE FOR 4.03 TO THE BOARD RULES AND POLICY. >> SECOND. [15. Consider appointments to the Health & Human Services Advisory Council. There are currently two vacancies on the Health & Human Services Advisory Council (HHSAC). These vacancies are due to the resignation of Dr. Tina D' Alessandro and Ms. Kelly Battell. These vacancies require the appointment of a professional from the disciplines in Health & Human Services. Please find attached for your review and consideration a letter of recommendation from the Health and Human Services Advisory Council and three applications: Allen Drozd - District 3, Kim Elmore - District 3, and Lorraine Keith - District 5.] MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE >> PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. AGENDA ITEM 14 HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA TODAY. WE WILL MOVE TO 15. CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES ADVISORY COUNCIL. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. BOARD AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, MELISSA LUNDQUIST. TO ANSWER APPOINTMENTS TO HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICE ADVISORY. THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES ON THE COUNCIL, DUE TO THE RESIGNATION. OF TINA ALESSANDRO AND KELLY BATTEL. >> ATTACHED IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES ADVISORY COUNCIL AND THREE APPLICATIONS. THAT'S THE BASICS OF THIS ITEM. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 15. PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NONE, BACK TO >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> MR. CHAIRMAN. AS THE LIAISON WITH THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES ADVISORY COUNCIL. I AM HAPPY TO MOVE THIS. >> PLEASE SIR. >> MOTION TO APPOINT LORRAINE KEITH TO THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR A TERM SET TO EXPIRE SEPTEMBER 2022. [03:20:04] >> MOTION BY SMITH. SECOND BY WALDRON. FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. >> MOTION TO APPOINT KIM ELMORE TO THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR A PARTIAL TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE [16. Consider appointments to the South Anastasia Design Review Board. Currently there are five vacancies on the South Anastasia Design Review Board (3 regular & 2 alternate). All five vacancies are due to expired terms. Some of these vacancies have been advertised multiple times since their occurrence, with the latest vacancy advertisement being placed in April 2021. Please note due to lack of a quorum, the South Anastasia Design Review Board (SADRB) has been unable to meet. In light of not being able to obtain a quorum, staff is requesting appointments be made without recommendations from SADRB. Please find attached for review and consideration three applications: Stephen Lieberman - District 3, Austin Martin - District 3, and Janet Patten - District 3.] JULY 21, 2024, COMPLETING TERM OF KELL BATTEL. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND SECOND BY WALDRON. >> ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE. >> THAT PASSES 5-0. >> ON TO AGENDA ITEM 16. >> AGENDA ITEM 16 IS TO CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE SOUTH ANASTASIA DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. THERE ARE FIVE VACANCIES. THREE REGULAR MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATES. ALL FIVE ARE SET TO EXPIRE TERMS. THE VACANCIES WERE ADVERTISED MULTIPLE TIMES. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE BOARDS WE DO HAVE ISSUE WITH TRYING TO COVER THAT GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S LIMITED. AREA. THE LATEST VACANCY ADVERTISEMENT WAS PLACED IN APRIL OF 2021. WE RECEIVED THREE APPLICATIONS FROM THAT ADVERTISEMENT. SO THIS BOARD HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO MEET DUE TO A LACK OF A QUORUM BECAUSE OF THAT MEMBERSHIP. IN LIGHT OF THAT, I'M BRINGING THESE THREE APPLICATIONS FORWARD TO YOU TO CONSIDER APPOINTING THE THREE APPLICANTS. THAT'S THE BASICS OF THIS ITEM. IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER. >> WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC >> PUBLIC COMMENT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. STEVEN LIEBERMAN. I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF TO THE BOARD AND THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY APPLICATION AND I WOULD VERY MUCH LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO WORK ON THE COMMISSION. >> THANK YOU. I THINK THAT CLOSES COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD. >> I DON'T MIND MOVING THIS IF YOU WANT. THERE ARE THREE APPLICANTS AND I WILL MOVE THEM ALL IN ONE MOTION. MOTION TO APPOINT STEVEN LIEBERMAN, AUSTIN MARTIN AND JANET PATENT AS REGULAR MEMBERS OF THE SOUTH ANASTASIA REVIEW BOARD SET TO EXPIRE [17. Consider appointments to the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee (AHAC). The purpose of the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee (AHAC) is to review established policies, procedures, ordinances, land development regulations, and the adopted local government comprehensive plan to recommend specific action or initiatives to encourage or facilitate affordable housing while protecting the ability of the property to appreciate in value. Currently there are three vacancies on the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee (AHAC). The vacancies are due to the expired terms of Bill Lazar, Harry Maxwell, and Karl Vierck. All three vacancies were advertised in January of 2021. The vacancies arerequired to be filled by St. Johns County residents who are: 1) engaged as a not for profit provider of affordable housing, 2) engaged actively as a real estate professional, and 3) engaged as a for profit provider of affordable housing. Please find attached for your review and consideration a recommendation letter from the AHAC and four applications: Bill Lazar - District 3, Harry Maxwell - District 3, Ellen Rogers - District 4, and Karl Vierck - District 3.] 2025. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND SECOND BY WALDRON. ANY DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD? SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS. ON TO AGENDA ITEM 17. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS, AG AGENDA ITEM 17 IS CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THERE ARE THREE VACANCIES DUE TO THE EXPIRED TERMS OF BILL LAZAR, HARRY MAXWELL AND CARL VIERCK. ALL THREE VACANCIES WAS ADVERTISED IN 2021. THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY REQUIRED TO BE FILLED BY ONE A CITIZEN ENGAGED AS A NOT FOR PROFIT PROVIDER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND REAL ESTATE AGENT AND FOR PROFIT PROVIDER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. FOUR APPLICATIONS ARE PROVIDED. TWO OF MEMBERS THAT ARE REQUESTING REAPPOINTMENT WOULD REQUIRE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SERVED ON MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS, IT WOULD REQUIRE TO SUSPEND YOUR BOARD RULE 2.203 C TO APOINT THE NUMBERS. I HAVE INCLUDED THOSE SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION. THAT'S THE BASICS OF THIS ITEM. IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> THANK YOU. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY QUESTIONS? IN TERMS. >> WHY DON'T WE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 17. I SEE NONE. THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED BACK TO THE BOARD. IF THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE GLAD TO MOVE THIS. I'M THE LIAISON TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I CAN DO THIS IN THREE SEPARATE MOTIONS OR I CAN MAKE ONE MOTION REFERS TO WHAT SLOT THEY FILL AND GIVE A NAME. >> IF THERE'S A UNANIMOUS VOTE, YOU CAN DO IT IN A SINGLE MOTION. [03:25:01] IF IT'S NOT UNANIMOUS, YOU NEED TO BREAK THEM UP. >> I'M SUPPOSED TO BE PREDETERMINED WHAT THE VOTE IS BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION? I WILL JUST DO ONE AT A TIME. THAT'S FINE. I WOULD LIKE TO -- COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> I NEED TO SUSPEND THE BOARD RULE. I THINK SO. >> YES, SIR. IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. >> LIMITING THE TERMS TO TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS. IS THAT ALSO DEPENDENT ON WHO I NOMINATE? >> YES, SIR. SO TWO OUT OF FOUR APPLICANTS, THREE OF THEM ARE ASKING FOR REAPPOINTMENT. 2-4 TOTAL APPLICANTS, IF YOU'RE OPTING TO MAKE A MOTION, YOU NEED TO SUSPEND THE RULE. >> I MOVE TO SUSPEND RULE 2.03. >> SECOND. WE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. PASSES 5-0. >> OKAY I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT HARRY MAXWELL AS A FOR-PROFIT PROVIDER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING SET TO EXPRE AUGUST 17, 2025. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH? FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE. >> PASSES 5-0. >> I WILL MOVE TO REAPPOINT BILL LAZAR TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY FOR A NOT FOR PROFIT BUSINESS SET TO EXPIRE AUGUST 17, 2025. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DAIN. SECOND DEAN, -- MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN, SECOND SMITH. >> PLEASE VOTE. >> PASSES 5-0. >> AND LASTLY, I WILL MOVE TO REAPPOINT CARL VIERCK AS A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY. >> MOTION BY DEAN, SECOND BY SMITH. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. >> EXCUSE ME. THAT PASSES 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO WE NEED A MOTION TO [18. Consider appointment to the Tourist Development Council. There is currently one vacancy on the Tourist Development Council due to the expired term of Mrs. Diane Mataraza. The vacancy may be filled by either a non-accommodation tourism related representative or an owner/operator of a tourist accommodation subject to the bed tax. The vacancy was advertised in April 2021 for a four week span. Please find attached for review and consideration a letter of recommendation from the Tourist Development Council and sixteen applications. Accommodations applicants: Shannon Dearin - District 1, Irving Kass - District 2, Bill McClure - District 3, Charles Robles - District 5, and Stephanie Wyland - District 3. Non-Accommodations applicants: Zachary Cole - District 3, Kathy Fleming - District 5, Kathy Hiester - District 4, Peter Karpen - District 4, Kimberly Keen - District 3, Terran McGinnis - District 5, Victor Raymos - District 1, Albert Syeles - District 5, Thomas Walsh - District 5, Christopher Waters - District 1, and Sarina Wiechens - District 1.] REINSTATE. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO THE RULE. >> SECOND. >> HAVE A MOTION BY DEAN, SECOND BY SMITH. PLEASE VOTE. THE RULE IS REINSTATED. THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL GO INTO AGENDA ITEM 18. >> SO LAST OF THE APPOINTMENTS HERE. THIS IS TO CONSIDER APPOINTMENT TO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. THERE'S A VACANT SEAT. FOR DIANNE MATARAZA. THIS SEAT MAYBE FEELED BY A NONTOURIST RELATED PROVIDER REPRESENTATIVE OF A OWNER, OPERATOR OF TOURIST ACCOMODATION. ATTACHED FOR CONSIDERATION. THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND 16 APPLICATIONS. THAT'S THE BASICS OF THIS ITEM. IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. >> SEEING NONE, WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 18. SEEING NONE. BACK TO YOU MR. CHAIR. >> PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. IS THERE A MOTION? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL MOTION. >> THANK YOU. SIR. MOTION TO APPOINT KATHY FLEMING TO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM SET TO EXPIRE AUGUST 3RD, 2025. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. [Public Comment (Part 2 of 2)] >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE. PASSES 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF OUR NEWLY APPOINTED CITIZENS. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THAT CONCLUDES EVERYTHING ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA. WE WILL MOVE TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT THIS TIME. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE [03:30:02] PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY THE RULES OF DECORUM. COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER. NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR. YOU SHOULD REFRAIN FROM APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENT. AND ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS OVER HEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT TO THE CLERK OF THE COURT TO THE RIGHT TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD. WE WELCOME YOU BACK TO OUR LITTLE MEETING. >> SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. I KNOW YOU, THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE TRUCKS STILL COMING OUT OF THERE. AT LEAST 10 A DAY. THEN THEY THINK THEY'RE SNEAKING IN AT DARK. OKAY GENTLEMEN, I WENT AND SAT IN MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD. THIS IS WATER COMING OFF THE ROAD. THERE'S NO MORE DITCH THERE TO GET IT. OKAY. THIS IS IN THE 15-MINUTE TIME SPAN AND YOU CAN LOOK AT MY PHONE IF YOU NEED TO VERIFY THAT. OKAY. THIS IS JUST AT THE BEGINNING. THEN LOOK. THIS WAS THE DITCH IN 15 MINUTES WHERE IT'S GOING INTO AN 18-INCH CULVERT. THIS 19 CUBIC YARD CULVERT IS HOLDING 266 CUBIC YARDS OF WATER THAT USED TO BE THERE. AND Y'ALL ASSURED ME SOME OF YOU COMMISSIONERS EVEN TOLD ME YOU WOULD DO YOUR VERY BEST TO GET A COST ANALYSIS DONE ON THE DITCH. WELL, I HAVE BEEN GIVEN A LOT OF PAPERWORK IN BUT I HAVEN'T GIVEN IT ALL. AND THE REASON I STARTED THIS WAS TO GET RID OF THE ONE CHECK IN LOCKLAYER AND ANOTHER OUT OF YOUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO SHOW YOU HOW CROOKED IT IS. YOU PUT THIS ON YOUR STAFF OVER HERE TO BACK THEM. SO WHAT I DO FLOOD, YOU CAN TRUST ME, I DO HAVE PAPERS THAT I DID NOT TURN OVER. BECAUSE I KNEW I WOULD BE ARROGANTLY DISMISSED. SO Y'ALL NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT. WITH YOUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, I TRIED TO GIVE HIM THE PAPERS. HE SAID HE WOULD TAKE HIS DIRECTIONS FROM YOU. I DO HAVE THESE PAPERS SO Y'ALL MIGHT WANT TO LOOK INTO IT. GOD BLESS. HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> YEP, IF I MAY THROUGH THE CHAIR. MS. BADGER, YOU INDICATED YOU HAVE A DATE TIME ON YOUR PHONE. I WAS HOPE TO HAVE THE PHOTOGRAPHS ANNOTATED IN THE RECORD. IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE THE DATE AND TIME. WE HAVE MR. HENSLEY THAT WILL BE COMING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. HE'S GOT DOCUMENTS AND AGAIN TO THE EXTENT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO ANNOTATE DATE AND TIME. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE RECORD. >> AND THE TIME WAS 2:30. THE DATE WAS JULY 27TH. 15 MINUTE RAIN. I HOPE Y'ALL REALLY HAVE FAITH IN YOUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT. >> OKAY. NEXT. PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT. YES, SIR. >> I'M JAMES HENSLEY. I LEAVE IN PONTE VEDRA BEACH. IF YOU THINK OF THIS AS A POND. WHAT IS HAPPENING IS ALL OF THESE DO NOT MEET THE STATE STANDARDS. WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS ONLY FIX THIS SIDE THAT'S ON THE ROAD AND OUR SUB DIVISION. ALL THESE OTHER SIDES THAT ARE GOLF COURSE AND ARE PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, THEY ARE NOW FIXING THEM. WE'RE TRYING TO TELL A CHILD, WAIT, ONLY GO ON THIS SIDE WHEN YOU'RE COMING NEAR THE POND. DON'T GO ON THIS SIDE, THIS SIDE OR THIS SIDE. THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE ISSUE. AND DICK IS HERE. [03:35:04] GOOD GUY. WE HAVE CONFUSION HERE. SECOND OF ALL, WE TRIED TO GET THE DISTRICT AND ANN SHORTEL IS NO LONGER THERE AS OF LAST TUESDAY. SHE SUBMITTED HER RESIGNATION WHICH I BELIEVE IS A HELP TO ALL THE RESIDENTS IN STATE OF FLORIDA WITH NOT HAVING HER THERE. THAT'S MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION THINK THAT'S OKAY. I AS A PARENT. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE WHEN FOUR LITTLE KIDS DIED IN JACKSONVILLE DUE TO THE PONDS. I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN. I NEED YOUR HELP TO UNDERSTAND, IT'S GREAT YOU'RE DOING THIS SIDE CLOSEST TO THE ROAD BUT YOU CAN'T TELL A LITTLE THREE-YEAR OLD KID TO GO ON THE OTHER SIDES. MR. MCCORMACK SENT A LETTER TO MARSH LANDING THAT WAS VERY GOOD. I WOULD KISS YOUR FEET IF I COULD. THREE DAYS LATER, DICK MET WITH COMMENT THAT SAID THERE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINTS OF FLOODING ON DEER TRACK DRIVE. SHE'S 82 YEARS OLD. WHEN THAT SENTENCE GOT PUT IN THERE, WE THOUGHT WE HAVE HIT THE MOTHER LOAD. ALL OF OUR ISSUES ADDRESSED, HER'S ADDRESSED. DICK MEETS WITH MARSH LANDING AND THEY SAY, DICK SAYS THERE'S NO LDC CODE WE CAN HOLD OVER THEIR HEAD TO FIX IT WHEN I PAID MYSELF, $25,000 FOR YOUR OLD ASSISTANT, TO TELL YOU THAT THESE FIRE HYDRANTS ARE UNDER WATER. OUR STREETS ARE COMPLETELY FLOODING. HOW CAN A FIRE TRUCK EVEN DID THE DOWN THESE ROADS IN RAIN? IT'S JUST NOT FUNNY ANYMORE. MY ASK TO YOU TODAY, I KNOW IT JUST SEEMS LIKE I'M COMING HERE TO COMPLAIN. I NEED TO HELP THIS 82-YEAR OLD WOMAN. I MUST HELP HERE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. BUT I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE STOP THIS CONFUSION BETWEEN YOUR OWN PEOPLE AND HAVE MR. HUNTER OR WHATEVER HIS NAME IS STEP IN AND SAY IT'S ENOUGH. >> DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> AND MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, THROUGH MR. HENSLEY, FOR THE PHOTOGRAPHS, IF THEY'RE NOT ANNOTATED, IF YOU CAN REMEMBER THE DATE. >> I SENT THEM ALL TO YOU AND THEY'RE ALL MARKED. THEY'RE IN YOUR LETTERS MARKED WITH DATES THEY HAPPENED IN AUGUST. WE HAVE EVERYTHING. JUST HAVE THESE LITTLE, LITTLE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. THAT'S ALL. PATRICK. WORK WITH MR. CONNER AND MAKE SURE THESE AREAS ARE COVERED. HAVE WE GOTTEN A FORMAL RESPONSE FROM MARSH LANDING? >> THAT IS DUE THE 20TH. THEIR PLAN OF ACTION. I WILL SAY, MARSH LANDING IS A BIG SUBDIVISION. THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES PERTAINING TO IT. SOME OF THEM ARE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ISSUES. SOME ARE COUNTY LDC ISSUES. YOU KNOW THE COUNTY IS CONCENTRATING OBVIOUSLY ON THE COUNTY LDC ISSUES. WE WILL RE-REVIEW PARTICULARLY WITH THE DEER TRACE DRIVE ASPECT THANK YOU. >> PLEASE KEEP US UPDATED ON THAT. >> JUST ONE THING. DICK IS HERE. I JUST WANT TO GET OFF THIS VORTEX BETWEEN COUNTY. TELL US YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO HELP HER WHICH IS WHAT IS THE LETTER OR YOU'RE NOT. THEN WE CAN DECIDE AFTER THAT. HE IS >> THANK YOU. SIR. >> YES, SIR. -- YES, MA'AM. >> B.J. KLATY, WEST CITY OF AUGUSTINE. >> THE MILLAGE RATE FOR 2021-2022 SHOULD BE 6.5273. THE 1.1 BILLION RECOMMENDED BUDGET FOR 2021-2022 WILL INCREASE SINCE THOSE WHO CAN ARE MOVING TO FLORIDA. FREE COVID-19 TESTING AT 3125 AGRICULTURE CENTER DRIVE. AND I'M EXPLAINING THIS YOU DID A GOOD JOB THIS MORNING BUT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHICH IS CLOSED TO CRACKER BARREL ON STATE ROAD 16 AND I-95. EVERYBODY OR A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW WHERE CRACKER BARREL IS. IT'S INTERESTING, OH , DOES ANYONE KNOW THAT THE GOVERNOR OF OUR STATE EARNS $132,000 A YEAR? OF COURSE HE GETS PERKS. A BUREAUCRAT IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY EARNS OVER 200,000 TAX [03:40:03] DOLLARS A YEAR. WHAT JESUS DOES TO LAWYERS. DOES ANYONE KNOW? IN LUKE 11:46. IT'S INTERESTING. AND ANOTHER WORD I LIKE TO SPELL, ARROGANT. ARROGANT. IT'S INTERESTING WORD. AND OF COURSE, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS SHOULD BE MOVED BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THESE MEETINGS AND WAS THIS DECISION MADE BY A POLITICIAN OR A BUREAUCRAT? I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE PEOPLE THAT MAYBE LISTENING. SOME PEOPLE COME UP TO ME ON THE STREET I DON'T KNOW. I NEVER KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO APPROACH ME. AND THEY DO LISTEN TO THIS. THEY CAN'T COME. THEY WORK. AND THEY CAN'T COME SO THEY LISTEN TO THESE THINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ALL THOSE GOOD FOLKS OUT THERE WHO HAVE MADE COMMENTS TO ME OR ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC TO BOMBARD ALL OF YOU WITH E-MAILS GIVING THEIR OPINION ABOUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT BEING AT THE END OF THESE MEETINGS. SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT. BUT IT MAY HELP SOME POLITICIANS TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS CONTINUING TO BE BROUGHT UP AND THERE WILL BE AN ANSWER TO WHY YOU CONTINUE TO DO IT. BUT, THE ANSWER IS NOT GOOD. SO I THANK YOU VERY >> THANK YOU. GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? >> YEAH, IF I MAY THROUGH THE CHAIR. THANK YOU. AND THE VICE CHAIR. WE HAVE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS FROM SUMMER HAVEN. DOCTOR GILLIGAN AND DARVY. YOU MAY WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. IN WHICH CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD NOTES. IF NOT, DURING REPORTS. I WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THEY ARE HERE. >> WE DO HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK WITH US? >> SURE. THIS IS DR. GILLIGAN WHO I THINK MOST OF THE ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE MET. THE PROPERTY OWNER IN SUMMER HAVEN. AND ELIZABETH DARBY HERE AS WELL. THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAD COME AND MET WITH THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT SUMMER HAVEN, THE ACCESS ISSUES DOWN THERE AND PARTICULARLY THEY HAD HIGHLIGHTED A NEW PRODUCT, SORT OF A DRIVING SURFACE TYPE THING. I THINK THE SENSE FROM THE MEETINGS THAT I WAS IN WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WAS THE IDEA WOULD BE AT THIS MEETING THAT THE BOARD WOULD SORT OF JUST RECOGNIZE THAT THE BERM DOWN THERE THAT EXTENDS THROUGH THE OLD A 1 A. THE SOUTHERN PORTION IS NOW COMPLETE OR SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE AND IT IS TIME TO ADDRESS THE DRIVING SURFACE FOR I THINK PUBLIC WORKS IF WE COULD NOT AT TODAY'S MEETING BUT MAYBE FOR THE BOARD TO GIVE DIRECTION THROUGH ADMIN OR TO PUBLIC WORKS TO BRING BACK A PLAN FOR A DRIVING SURFACE DOWN THERE AND YOU KNOW NOW THE BERM IS THERE TO PROTECT DRIVING SURFACE. SO I THINK THAT WAS FOR THE PLAN TODAY. TO ACTUALLY IF THE BOARD COULD GIVE SOME DIRECTION ON THAT AND MR. CALDWELL IS HERE. I HAD SPOKEN TO HIM PRIOR. HE MAY HAVE A SENSE OF SORT OF WHAT A TIME PERIOD TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD WITH AN ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE. BUT ANYWAY. THE EXPECTATION WAS THIS ISSUE WOULD BE ADDRESSED AT TODAY'S MEETING SO HERE WE ARE. >> WE PRESENTED -- >> EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY. TECHNICALLY. >> YOUR NAME. >> MY NAME IS DR. SHEILA GILLIGAN. WE PRESENTED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO A DESIRE FOR A ROADWAY SHALE ROCK OR WHATEVER YOU WANTED. NOW THE BERM IS UP, BUT TO MAKE IT MORE SUSTAINABLE AND SUPPORT THE WEIGHT OF THE TRUCKS THAT WOULD BE HOPEFULLY RETURNING OUR [03:45:01] SERVICES. WE WERE ASKING FOR THE LOOK INTO A POLYMER THAT WE HAD THE PRESIDENT OF A COMPANY THAT HAS A POLYMER THAT'S PROVEN TO BE ENVIRONMENTAL AND WOULD SUSTAIN THE HEAVY TRUCKS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO GET OUR SERVICES BACK. SO, WE WERE HOPING THAT TODAY WE WOULD GET EITHER APPROVAL OR A MOVE FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION. RIGHT. I DON'T THINK THE BOARD IS IN A POSITION TO MAKE A DECISION ON A FINAL PRODUCT. WHAT THE HOPE AND EXPECTATION WAS THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS AFTER THEY HAD HEARD AND IT GOT A BRIEFING ON THIS PARTICULAR MATERIAL BUT THE GENERAL ISSUE OF A DRIVING SURFACE WOULD, IF IT WOULD CONSIDER JUST GIVING SOME DIRECTION TO STAFF TO BRING BACK NOW THE BERM IS COMPLETE OR SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE TO COME BACK WITH THEIR PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION AS TO MOVING FORWARD FOR AN IMPROVED DRIVING SURFACE. THERE WE ARE. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO EITHER I DON'T KNOW IF ANY STAFF IS HERE THAT CAN COMMENT BUT TO ME I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM, GET THEM TO GIVE US A COUPLE OPTIONS. COST ANALYSIS AND LONGEVITY OF WHAT THEY CAN PUT ON. >> WE DID GIVE A COST ANALYSIS. >> AND THEN PART OF IT WOULD BE TO VET, TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE BEFORE WE GO DOWN THE PATH OF ONE OR THE OTHER. >> WE HAD GIVEN A COST ANALYSIS OF THIS PRODUCT. >> YES, MA'AM, I UNDERSTAND THAT. WE GOT TO GET STAFF. >> I GET IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AS SOON AS STAFF THINKS THEY CAN GET IT READY. >> HE CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER QUICKLY FOR THE COMMISSION TO SEE WHAT IT TAKES FOR DESIGN AND PERMITTING AND GET THAT MOVING FORWARD AS WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES FOR DRIVING SURFACE OUT THERE. >> COULD YOU BRING BACK BY SEPTEMBER? >> LAST MEETING OF SEPTEMBER? IS THERE CONSENSUS? >> WHAT MEETING WOULD THAT BE? DO YOU MIND? >> SEVENTH OR 21ST. >> LET'S DO 21ST. >> THE ONLY ADDITION IS PAYING FOR THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM. WE TALKED IN THE PAST ABOUT THE MSTU SUPPORTING THE COST FOR THIS CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN. THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PRESENTATION OR THE MATERIAL. >> OKAY. SO WE WILL PLAN ON PUTTING ON THE 21ST. >> RIGHT, THAT WOULD BE PART, WOULD THE EXPECTATION THAT IS PART OF THE REGULAR >> >> YEAH. THAT'S THE ATTENTION. >> AS A BUSINESS THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE, DR. GILLICEN, ARE YOU CLEAR WHAT THE ACTION ITEM IS? >> THAT IT WILL COME BACK AS A FORMAL AGENDA ITEM ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA AND WE WILL TAKE ACTION AT THAT TIME. >> WEEK OF THE SEVENTH OR 21ST >> THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WILL REVIEW -- JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR. >> IF I MAY THROUGH THE CHAIR. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WILL REVIEW THE PARTICULAR PRODUCT THAT I THINK HAD BEEN PRESENTED IN SOME OF THE STAFF MEETINGS AND COMMISSIONER MEETINGS. BUT AS WELL AS IF THERE ARE ANY VIABLE OPTIONS AND THEN I GUESS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD AND HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT [Commissioners’ Reports] AND MAKE A FORWARD. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I THINK THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU PUBLIC COMMENT, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. WE WILL MOVE TO COMMISSIONER REPORTS. COMMISSIONER SMITH. WHY DON'T WE START WITH YOU. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. JUST A LITTLE FOOD FOR THOUGHT FOR TODAY. DADDY ALWAYS SAID THAT IF GETS TO A CERTAIN POINT, IT DOESN'T GET WETTER, IT GETS DEEPER. WE ARE CERTAINLY WET. THIS LAST RAIN EVENT FROM SATURDAY THIS MORNING IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 3.6 AND 9.2 INCHES IN THE HASTINGS AREA. CORN HARVEST CONTINUES. IT WILL NEED TO DRY A BIT BEFORE WE GET IN THE FIELDS. YIELD IS GOOD AND NOT A LOT OF RAIN. CORN HAS STOOD ITS TEST OF THIS PARTICULAR STORM. GROUND PREPARATION HAS BEGUN FOR FALL CROPS. COVER CROPS ARE BEING PUT DOWN. CAULIFLOWER, BROCCOLI AND CABBAGE AND OTHER PLANTS WILL BE PLANTED IN SEPTEMBER. THAT'S MY REPORT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH'S COMMENT AM BACK IN THE DAY WHEN I FOLLOWED RAINFALL ON A WEEKLY BASIS IN [03:50:05] SOUTH FLORIDA AND ST. JOHNS. WE HAD A SAYING ABOUT AVERAGES. AVERAGE ANNUAL RAINFALL IS ABOUT 55 INCHES IN FLORIDA. BUT IF YOU FOLLOW THE LAW OF AVERAGES, IF YOU HAVE ONE BUCKET IN A BUCKET OF ICE WATER AND HOT WATER. ON AVERAGE, YOU OUGHT TO FEEL ABOUT RIGHT. IT MEANS NOTHING THE AVERAGES. THE FIRST TWO WEEKS OF AUGUST WHERE I LIVE IN SEA COLONY. WE HAD 10 INCHES IN THE FIRST TWO WEEKS OF AUGUST. IT WAS WET. WET ALL OVER THE COUNTY. I WANT TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND POSSIBLY A FEW MORE. LET ME START WITH A REPORT ON THE ATTORNEY SEARCH. WHICH WE HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK. LAST THURSDAY. THE THREE-MEMBER COMMITTEE COMMISSIONER SMITH, MYSELF AND HUNTER CONRAD AND WE WENT THROUGH AS DIRECTED BY THE CHAIRMAN REQUESTED BY THE CHAIRMAN. WE WENT THROUGH THE 31 APPLICATIONS AND EACH OF US TOOK TURNS SELECTING OUR TOP CANDIDATES. WE DIDN'T LIMIT OURSELVES. WE COULD HAVE SELECTED ONE OR 31. WE JUST, BUT WE SORT OF COMMON SENSE I THINK DICTATED. WE SELECTED OUR TOP -- >> WITH MR. VICE CHAIR. THAT WAS AN ADVERTISED PUBLIC MEETING WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. SO ALL OUT THERE. >> YES WE HAD AT LEAST ONE CALL IN PUBLIC COMMENT. SO, WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND WE EACH SUBMITTED OUR SHORT LIST. I WILL CALL IT AND WE ENDED UP THAT ONE CANDIDATE ACTUALLY GOT A YES VOTE FROM ALL THREE OF US AND THREE CANDIDATES GOT A YES VOTE FROM TWO OF US. WE SAID LET'S TAKE THE FOUR CANDIDATES AND INVITE THEM IN FOR VIEWS ON AUGUST 25TH AND 26TH. THEN WE WILL HAVE A SECOND INTERVIEW. WE WILL RECOMMENDATION EITHER ALL FOUR, THREE TWO OR ONE TO BE INTERVIEWED BY THE FULL BOARD. THAT DATE IS PENDING. DO WE HAVE A DATE? I THINK THAT IS STILL PENDING FOR THE FULL BOARD TO DO THE INTERVIEWS. >> I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. I WOULD LIKE TO SOME TIME IN REGULAR BOARD MEETING IN THE R - EVENING. WE WILL DO ONE OF THE CONFERENCE ROOMS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO THAT IN SEPTEMBER. THAT WILL GIVE YOU TIME TO VIEW. WE WILL SET A DATE. AFTER THE REGULAR BOARD MEETING ON TUESDAY. WE CAN DO ON THURSDAY. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT LATER IN THE AFTERNOON OR EARLY EVENING. PRESUMING THESE CANDIDATES HAVE JOBS THEY ARE WORKING. WILL GIVE THEM TIME TO COME IN AFTER HOURS AND THEY ARE FREE TO DO AN INTERVIEW. I DON'T KNOW WE NEED AN AUDITORIUM BUT WE CAN DO IT IN ONE OF THE CONFERENCE ROOMS. ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? >> THE MILLAGE ADOPTION IS 5:01. IT CAN BE THERE. ONCE WE CONCLUDE ON WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY AND GIVE THE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD, I WILL WORK WITH THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE TO GET IT NOTICED AND COORDINATE WITH MS. LUNDQUIST. >> SEPTEMBER 7TH OR 21ST. >> I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE TWO COMMISSION DATE MEETINGS. >> IF I MAY INTERJECT FOR A MOMENT HERE. I THINK MR. CONRAD IS GOING TO BRING UP THE TOPIC OF REDISTRICTING. THE SCHOOL BOARD WANTS A JOINT MEETING. >> THE REASON I MENTIONED IT, MAYBE ONE OF THE SAME DATES IS THE PROPOSED INITIAL INTERVIEW. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS AWARE. WE MAY HAVE TO ADJUST A DATE. TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. WE WILL FIND A DATE THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE. >> AND TO CONCLUDE, FOR ANYONE WATCHING OR LISTENING IN OUR COUNTY. THOSE FOUR CANDIDATES, YOU CAN FIND THE NAMES AND PERTINENT INFORMATION, YOU CAN LOOK ON OUR WEBSITE. WE HAD A TRANSPARENT PUBLIC MEETING AND WANT THE WHOLE PROCESS TO BE TRANSPARENT. IF YOU ARE LISTENING AND WOULD LIKE TO ACCESS EITHER CONTACT SARAH TAYLOR OR HR DIRECTOR OR GO TO THE WEBSITE, WE WANT TO MAKE ALL THAT INFORMATION ARE AS PUBLIC AS POSSIBLE TO OUR RESIDENTS. THAT'S THE ATTORNEY UPDATE. I WANT TO TURN IF I MAY, IF YOU WILL ALLOW ME COMMISSIONERS, I NEED TO TURN MY ATTENTION BACK TO THE DISCUSSION WE HAD [03:55:01] JULY 20TH CONCERNING THE BED TAX INCREASE AND MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION REGARDING THE CORE PROJECT AND THE PHASE TWO PROJECT. AND TO THOSE WHO WERE NOT HERE, WHAT I RECOMMENDED IN THE I GUESS POSITION THAT WE ADOPTED ON BOTH THE CORE PROJECT AND PHASE TWO WAS TO ELIMINATE THE NORTHERLY THREE MILES. AND THAT LET ME JUST I WILL SAY SORT OF THE ONLY WAY I CAN TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE AM I THINK I MUST CONFESS ERROR. LET ME TELL YOU WHY. JOY, IF YOU WILL PUT UP THE OVER HEAD ON THE OVER HEAD. I HAD TO CALL AN AUDIBLE REALLY BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION OF BED TAX INCREASE, THE PERCENT OF THE BED TAX INCREASE THAT WOULD GO TO BEACHES AS OPPOSED TO OTHER AREAS AND SO, WITH A DECREASE IN REVENUE. AND IF EVERYONE WOULD BEAR WITH ME, LOOK AT THIS CHART, IT'S A LITTLE BUSY BUT ONE THING IT SHOWS FROM THE TOP, I'M POINTING ON THE LEFT UP HERE. THAT'S THE DUVAL COUNTY BOUNDARY GOING DOWN ON A RIVER PRESERVE. THE DARK GREEN IS MINIMAL FILL THAT WOULD BE DONE ON EACH THOUSAND FEET. MINIMAL FILL AND THEN ADVANCED FILL WOULD BE IN LIGHT GREEN AND THIS IS THE CRITICAL AREA. AND WITH A REDUCTION AND ROUGHLY $1.8 MILLION IN REVENUE I WAS SORT OF COUNTING ON AND UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS. I LOOKED AT THIS AND SAYS THIS IS, IT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT CRITICALLY IMPACTED BUT IT'S NOT PERFECT. BUT IF WE HAVE LIMITED BUDGET, WE MAY WANT TO TAKE THIS OUT OF THE CORE PROJECT AND ALSO THE PHASE TWO. THIS THREE MILES. THAT'S IT. AND SINCE THEN, IN REVISITING THIS AREA, I PERSONALLY VISITED IT AT THEIR REQUEST. I MET WITH ABOUT 35 PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT THREE MILE STRETCH. THAT'S ABOUT 10%. AND TO A PERSON THAT DO NOT WISH TO BE INCLUDED IN THE CORE PROJECT. BUT THEY DO VERY, VERY MUCH SO WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN PHASE TWO. THAT WAS A BIT OF A SHOCK TO ME. I HAVE TO ADMIT. THEY SHOWED ME WHAT WAS CRITICAL AREAS AND CRITICAL EROSION IN THIS UPPER THREE MILES. AND NOT ONLY DO THEY WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN PHASE TWO, BUT ALL OF THEM EXPRESSED A WILLINGNESS TO BE INCLUDED IN AN MSTU TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT IS FAIR SHARE AND THE ANSWER IS, I HAVE ASKED THE STAFF NOT TODAY BUT PROBABLY AT THE FIRST OR SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER OR MAYBE EVEN OCTOBER IF WE GO FORWARD, WITH MY CONCEPT TO BRING THIS BACK SOME FUNDING OPTIONS FOR PHASE TWO WHICH WOULD APPLY ONE TO THE NORTHERLY THREE MILES AND TWO THE SOUTHERLY SIX MILES. WE MAY END UP, I THINK WE WILL BE RECOMMENDING TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE MSTUS. YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP, THAT THERE IS A LESSER EXPENSE INVOLVED HERE. THAT'S ABOUT 20% OF THE TOTAL $40 MILLION. VERSUS THE $32 MILLION HERE. BECAUSE IT'S LONGER AND IT'S WIDER. SO, WITH THAT SAID, ALL I'M ASKING TODAY OF YOU MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IS TO BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE HOMEOWNERS ARE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM US AND FRANKLY, I KNOW THEY PLEADED WITH ME. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY REACHED OUT TO ANYONE ELSE, I CAN TELL YOU AND THIS IS ALWAYS HARD BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I CAN TALK TO YOU. I CAN'T CALL YOU UP AND SAY COMMISSIONER SMITH, WILL YOU DO A, B AND C. THIS AFTERNOON ALL I CAN DO IS ASK EACH OF YOU TO JOIN ME IN MAKING SEVERAL POSITIONS. NUMBER ONE, WE PUT THE THREE MILES BACK INTO PHASE TWO. FOR CONSIDERATION. WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANYTHING IN THE WAY OF AN IRON CLAD COMMITMENT OR BUDGET COMMITMENT. ALL WE'RE DOING IS SAYING YES, WE WILL LOOK AT THE NORTHERLY THREE MILES TO BE INCLUDED IN PHASE TWO AND REALLY THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO DO TODAY. I THINK WE ALSO SHOULD I WANT TO PUT ON RECORD FOR THOSE WHERE WE GO, WE NEED TO DO A SURVEY OF THE HOMEOWNERS IN THAT THREE MILE AREA AND SEE AND MAKE SURE JUST AS WE DID WITH SOUTH PONTE [04:00:11] VEDRA WHAT THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE PROJECT WOULD BE AND WHAT THE MSTU LEVY WOULD BE BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW TODAY THE EXACT COST OF THE PROJECT AND WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT FORMULA THAT WE MIGHT COME UP WITH IF WE DO A BOND ISSUE HOW MUCH WE NEED FROM THE BED TAX ANNUALLY AND HOW MUCH FROM MSTU AND CRITICAL OF THIS, THE STATE. REMEMBER THE STATE IS A STATE LOCAL NON-FEDERAL PROJECT AND WE DID RECEIVE $3.5 MILLION LAST YEAR FROM THE STATE FOR THIS PROJECT. WITH THAT SAID, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS SUPPORT FROM EACH OF YOU TO ADVISE THE STAFF, DIRECT THE STAFF TO COME UP WHEN POSSIBLE. BECAUSE THEY ARE SORT OF LOADED UP RIGHT NOW WORKING ON THE FEMA BERM AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT AS SOON AS THEY CAN, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO COME UP WITH A DRAFT SURVEY AND MAKE SURE IT COVERS THE POINTS I TRIED TO COVER QUICKLY. AND HEAR BACK -- I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE HOMEOWNERS IN PHASE TWO IN THE UPPER THREE MILES. I KNOW HOW PERSONALLY, I KNOW HOW THE HOMEOWNERS FEEL IN THE LOWER SIX MILES. THEY'RE NOT ONLY READY TO GO WITH THE PHASE TWO, THEY'RE READY TO GO WITH THE CORE PROJECT. I KNOW HOW THEY FEEL. THEY ARE ALL IN. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE SURVEY THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE UPPER THREE MILES AND SEE IF THEY ARE BASED ON WHAT THE PROJECTED COST IS AND THE COST, THE FUNDING FORMULA BETWEEN THE STATE, THE BED TAX AND THE MSTU IF THEY'RE WILLING AND INTERESTED IN PROCEEDING. SO I WANT TO CONCLUDE BY SAYING THAT I AND HINDSIGHT REALIZE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A PERFECT BEACH. I INDICATED ON JULY 20TH THAT WAS MUCH BETTER THAN THE SOUTH IF YOU REMEMBER. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT PERFECT IN THE OLSON REPORT. IT'S GOING TO GET IN PHASE TWO, EVEN AFTER THE FEMA BERM, IT'S GOING TO GET BEACH SAND. SO, IT NEEDS HELP. IT JUST WON'T BE IN THE CORE PROJECT AND MULTI-YEAR CORE PROJECT THAT LINGERS FOR 50 YEARS. WITH THAT SAID MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M LOOKING FOR SUPPORT SO WE CAN TELL THESE PEOPLE WE'RE CERTAINLY SUPPORTING THEM TO THE EXTENT THAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE THE UPPER THREE MILES IN THE PHASE TWO PROJECT AND WE WANT TO DO A SURVEY TO INDICATE FROM THEM THEY ARE INTERESTED AND INTERESTING IN A PARTICULAR FUNDING FORMULA TO GO FORWARD WITH PHASE TWO AND PROBABLY WITH TWO SEPARATE MSTUS BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENTIATION AND THE AMOUNT OF SAND IN THE TWO DIFFERENT AREAS. I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO STAFF OR WHATEVER. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PROCEED. >> I APPRECIATE. BEFORE WE RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. I HAVE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF HOMEOWNERS, AT LEAST 30 TO 40 OVER THE PAST TWO WEEKS AND THE FEEDBACK HAS COME FROM THIS POINT THAT YOU HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT DO WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN PHASE TWO. THEY DO WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE ARMY CORPS PROJECT. HOWEVER THERE'S AN INTEREST IN HAVING A SEPARATE MSTU. I'M OPEN MINDED TO THAT. I THINK THE NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT BASED ON THIS REPORT.PBUT THEREO BE ADDRESSED IN A SEPARATE MSTU. I'M INTERESTED AND OPEN MINDED. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS TAKEN CARE OF AND EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY IS TAKEN CARE OF. THE GEOGRAPHY IS DIFFERENT ON THE BEACH. THERE ARE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES. THE SOUTH IS WELL RECOGNIZED. THE BOTTOM SIX MILES FROM THE CHART, IS A STUDY FROM LAST JUNE. THAT NORTHERN THREE MILES IT MAKES SENSE IF THERE IS INTEREST IN DOING A SEPARATE MSTU THAT HELPS FUND A PORTION OF THAT. I DO SUPPORT THIS. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS UP. IT WAS SOMETHING I MADE NOTES TO BRING UP. I APPRECIATE YOU LEADING THE CHARGE. I AM SUPPORTIVE OF US EXPLORING IT. WE'RE NOT MAKING FINAL DECISIONS. THE IDEA IS FOR STAFF TO BRING UP PROPOSED LANGUAGE. LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU TOUCHED ON SOMETHING I WANTED TO MENTION. THIS IS NOT TO RE-EXPLORE PUBLIC ACCESS. I HAVE HEARD FROM FOLKS THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH PUBLIC ACCESS BEING EXPANDED. [04:05:01] THAT'S ONE. TWO, I MAYBE GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF HERE. WHAT WOULD QUALIFY AS BUY IN FROM THE COMMUNITY? WHEN WE DID THE SURVEY FROM THE FEMA BERM, IT WAS 80%. ARE WE LOOKING FOR 80%? >> TO FORM AN MSTU. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? >> LET ME ADDRESS THAT IF I MAY. >> THERE'S NO STATUTORY THRESHOLD. IT'S UP TO US. WHEN WE DID THE MSTU, COMMISSIONER SMITH, WE SAID WE WANTED A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER. WE DIDN'T WANT 50% PLUS ONE. WE WANTED MORE LIKE IN THE 70% RANGE. IT'S NOT ETCHED IN STONE. AGAIN, I'M LOOKING FOR YOU KNOW IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SEPARATE MSTU FOR THE NORTHER THREE THREE MILES, IF WE DON'T GET 70% PARTICIPATION, I WILL BE RELUCTANT TO MOVE AHEAD. THAT'S 30% THAT DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FAIR ENOUGH? >> ALSO, JUST COMMISSIONER, IF I COULD, THE OTHER THING IS WE HAVE THE FEMA BERM GOING IN PLACE. I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE FEEDBACK IS AFTER THE BERM IS IN PLACE. THAT BERM IS NOT PERMANENT. IT'S NOT DESIGNED TO BE PERMANENT. THAT MAY CHANGE. I HAVE HEARD FEEDBACK THAT PEOPLE FEEL THE NORTHERN THREE MILES ARE ADEQUATE AND MANY DO NOT. BUT THERE IS AN INTEREST IN GETTING BACK TO THE PHASE TWO, WHICH I'M VERY MUCH OPEN TO. I THINK HAVING A SEPARATE MSTU MAKES SENSE. WE HAVE ONE THAT EXISTS NOW. DO WE MODIFY THAT? THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR FROM STAFF. RECOMMENDATIONS OF HAVING A DIFFERENT MSTU THROUGH NORTH. WE WILL FIND OUT WHAT THE INTEREST LEVEL IS. COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> JUST WANT TO KNOW, WHAT COULD BE THE COST OF SURVEY AND THE WHERE THAT FUNDING WOULD COME FROM. I KNOW IT'S NOT RADICAL BUT IS THAT PART OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK OR DO WE HAVE THAT ESTIMATE NOW? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. >> WE DON'T HAVE THE COST ESTIMATE ON THAT NOW, COMMISSIONER SMITH. A LOT OF TIMES WHEN SURVEYS ARE CONDUCTED, THE COMMUNITY SURVEYS HELD AT A SERIOUS OF MEETINGS FOR PEOPLE TO SIGN IN. TO DO ANYTHING FURTHER. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION AND WILL COME BACK WITH THE LANGUAGE ET CETERA. WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT AND IT MAY BE BEST AFTER THE FEMA PROJECT AS WELL. SO THERE GIVES A LITTLE TOO. THANK YOU. >> ABSOLUTELY. SO TO GIVE BACK FOR THIS, COMMISSIONER DEAN ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF? >> I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OF COURSE. I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. >> WHY DON'T YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION AND WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PUT THE NORTHERLY THREE MILES OF THE PONTEVEDRA BEACH PROJECT BACK INTO THE OVERALL PROJECT WHICH WE APPROVED DELETING ON JULY 20TH ON THIS THREE MILE AREA WOULD GO BACK INTO THE PHASE TWO PROJECT AND WE WOULD GO FORWARD WITH A SEPARATE SURVEY OF THOSE HOMEOWNERS WITHIN THE THREE MILE AREA SURVEY YET TO BE WRITTEN DETERMINED AND THE COST ESTIMATE MADE TO THOSE FOR OUR APPROVAL. THAT WOULD DETERMINE THEIR LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION AND IT WILL BE UP TO OUR DESCRIPTION TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION IS IN ORDER TO GO FORWARD WITH BOTH OF MSTU AND THE PROJECT WITHIN THE THREE MILE AREA. AND WE HAVE, WE ARE DIRECTING STAFF TO COME UP WITH THE DRAFT SURVEY WHICH WOULD INCLUDE TO THE BEST OF THE THEIR ABILITY GOING FORWARD TODAY AN ESTIMATE OF THE COST OF THE PROJECT FOR THE NORTHERLY THREE MILES AND AN ESTIMATE OF THE MSTU ANNUAL ASSESSMENT OR FEE PER HOME SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION WITH RESPECT TO PARTICIPATION IN THE MSTU. THAT'S MY MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN. THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE MSTU. >> FOR THE THREE MILES. >> FURTHER NORTHERN THREE MILES. AS A REFERENCE POINT -- >> RANGE MARKER 16.5 ON THE ADDRESS 697 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. THAT WAS REFERENCED ON JULY 20TH. >> BEING00. SO, I'M GOING TO DEPART FROM NORMAL TRADITION HERE. SINCE THIS IS MY DISTRICT, I WILL SECOND THAT. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS LOOKING AT OPTIONS. [04:10:03] WE'RE NOT MAKING A FINAL DECISION. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION WE NEED TO SORT THROUGH. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL GET US GOING IN THAT DIRECTION. I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION AND SECOND THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED? >> SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. I WAS HERE AT THE BUDGET MEETING AND GENTLEMEN, THOSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT ANY PUBLIC DOWN THERE. THEY WANT IT TO BE THEIR OWN PRIVATE BEACH. AND YOU'RE ASKING TAXPAYERS TO PUT IN A SHARE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC BEACHES. I EVEN HEARD YOUR PEOPLE FROM PONTE VEDRA GET UP HERE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SHELLS CUTTING THEIR FEET. THAT'S ONE OF ONLY BEACHES ON THE WHOLE EAST COAST THAT PRODUCES COKEENA THAT WILL CUT YOUR FEET. IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER. BEFORE Y'ALL MAKE ANY DECISIONS ON THIS, TO GIVE THESE PEOPLE SUGAR SAND THAT'S TRUCKED IN INSTEAD OF PUMPED OUT OF THE OCEAN, Y'ALL NEED TO INVESTIGATE WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. ME AS A TAXPAYER, IF THEY DON'T WANT ME UP THERE, I DON'T WANT MY TAXPAYER MONEY. I DON'T GO UP THERE. IF I WANTED TO, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PARK. THIS ISN'T A NEW ISSUE. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 25 YEARS. THEN THE BIBLE IT SAYS, DON'T BUILD ON THE SHIFTING SANDS. ASK HENRY FLAGLER WHEN HIS MOTEL GOT WIPED OUT OVER THERE. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PENDING MOTION? >> I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT MR. CHAIR. >> WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> I NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. THE FUNDING WILL NOT ADD SOURCES FROM ST. JOHN'S. MSTU IS THE RESIDENTS SAYING THEY WANT TO TAX THEMSELVES. APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS BUT IT'S THE RESIDENTS ASKING TO BE TAXED SEPARATELY FOR THE BEACH. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR SO WE HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION. THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM USING TAXING THE REST OF COUNTY. HAVING SAID THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THE MOTION AND SECOND. THIS AGAIN IS WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE SURVEY CORRECT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ASKING STAFF TO BRING US BACK A SURVEY. AND SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH THE FEMA BERM. WE'RE NOT MAKING A MOTION TODAY TO PUT EVERYONE BACK IN PHASE TWO UNTIL WE HAVE THE SURVEY COMPLETED. >> YOU KNOW, SORT OF TOOK THEM OUT BY THE 20TH. THE FACT OF THE MATTER SIF THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD VOTES ON MY MOTIONING, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE NORTHERLY THREE MILES IS BACK IN PHASE TWO BUT WE HAVE YET TO DO A SURVEY AND FIND A FUNDING FORMULA THAT WORKS. WE HAVE YET TO APPROVE THE FIRST DOLLAR TO DO ANYTHING. ALL THOSE ISSUES WILL BE COMING BACK TO US. BUT THE HOMEOWNERS WILL KNOW WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE THREE MILES AS PART OF PHASE TWO. BEFORE COMMITTING DOLLARS WE WANT TO KNOW THE SURVEY IS PROBABLY GOING TO DICTATE MORE THAN ANYTHING IF IT GOES FORWARD. >> ONE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION. I THINK WE NEED TO DO THE SURVEY FIRST AND MAKE SURE THE RESIDENTS WANT TO BE BACK IN PHASE TWO. I HAVE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS THAT DO NOT SEE THE NEED. I WOULD LIKE TO START IF WE COULD, THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP NOW AND NOT CONFUSE STAFF. TO START WITH A SURVEY TO DETERMINE ONE, DO THE RESIDENTS WANT TO BE IN PHASE TWO. WE HEARD FROM SOME THAT DO, OTHERS WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM. WE'RE ASKING WHETHER THEY WANT TO BE IN PHASE TWO. ONCE WE DETERMINE THAT, WE CAN DETERMINE THE MSTU. THERE WOULD BE A COUPLE QUESTIONS WE'RE ASKING. DO YOU WANT TO BE BACK IN PHASE TWO, IF YES, WOULD YOU SUPPORT MSTU, A SEPARATE TAX. THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF HOW POLITICAL THIS ISSUE IS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> I CAN AGREE TO THAT. I JUST WANT, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, I'M ONLY ONE VOTE AND ONLY ONE COMMISSIONER. I WANT THE HOMEOWNERS ALONG THAT STRETCH INCLUDING THE HOMEOWNERS WITHIN THE THREE MILE AREA TO KNOW THEY HAVE MY FULL SUPPORT [04:15:02] TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PHASE TWO. YES, SIR WE HAVE TO DO A SURVEY. YES THE SURVEY HAS TO DEMONSTRATE THEY'RE INTERESTED AND SUGGESTED COST, FROM JUST, AM I WITH YOU? I'M WITH YOU. I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUSH JUST AS A PUSHED FOR PO LLANO AND THE LAST THREE YEARS ON THE CORE PROJECT. I'M PUSHING FOR THAT THREE MILES TO BE INCLUDED IN PHASE TWO. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN. I WANT TO BE CLEAR. 100% AGREE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. WE WILL FIND OUT IN THE SURVEY. I JUST DON'T WANT TO ASSUME BECAUSE I HEARD FROM 30, 40 HOMEOWNERS EVERYONE WANTS TO BE INCLUDED. IF THE COMMUNITY WANTS IT, I SUPPORT IT. I HAVE EVERY MEANS TO SUPPORT THEM. I WANT TO ASK IF THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. >> I HAVE TO SAY, IF THE SURVEY COMES BACK AND LET'S SAY 40% SAY THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE IN PHASE TWO, THEN I'M PREPARED TO TAKE THEM OUT AGAIN. BUT IT'S A DISTINCTION WITHOUT A DIFFERENCE. >> I'M HAPPY TO AGREE WITH THOSE SEMANTICS IF THAT GIVES YOU A BETTER SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE >> >> THE INTENT IS TO PUT EVERYONE BACK IN. I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS. ONCE THE FEMA BERM GOES UP, WE MAY GET A DIFFERENT REACTION. >> IF WE DO, WE'RE NOT COMMITTED TO INCLUDE THEM IN PHASE TWO. >> OF COURSE. ABSOLUTELY. THAT MAKES SENSE. AGAIN THE INTENT IS TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYONE. WE DON'T WANT ANYONE TO BE LEFT OUT ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. SO, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE AMENDING YOUR MOTION? >> I WILL AMEND AS YOU SUGGESTED. THE IDEA IS WE WILL COME BACK WITH THE IDEA TO SURVEY AND SEE IF THE PUBLIC IS INTERESTED. WE'RE REFINING A COUPLE THINGS. DO PEOPLE WANT TO GET BACK IN PHASE TWO. I THINK WE WILL HAVE A LITTLE OF PEOPLE THAT DO. IS THERE SUPPORT FROM A SEPARATE MSTU TO PAY FOR THAT. AND THEN WHATEVER ELSE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THAT GOES WITH >> IS THAT CLEAR? >> SURE. THAT WAS TO YOUR POINT, THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY EXACT RECOMMENDATION. WE WILL BRING BACK A SURVEY AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME THAT'S ASKED ESSENTIALLY THOSE THREE QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE, TO THOSE IN THE NORTHERN THREE MILES. PUBLICLY NOTICE MEETINGS AND TOWN HALLS. DO YOU WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN PHASE TWO. NMBER TWO, DO YOU WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN PHASE TWO AT THIS FUNDING MECHANISM? OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION AND NUMBER THREE. DO YOU STILL WISH TO BE INCLUDED IF YOU'RE TAXED AT THIS LEVEL. IT WILL BE A TWO TO THREE PART QUESTION. >> WE HAVE TO LOOK AT MILLAGE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THAT'S PERFECT. IS ANYONE CLEAR. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SO WITH YOUR AMENDED MOTION, I WILL AMEND THE SECOND. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANYTHING FURTHER? THAT COMPLETES MY REPORT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> >> MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS. COMING FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MEETING, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO COME AND DO A PRESENTATION ON THE PORPOISE FOUNDATION. THE SOONER THE BETTER. IT'S READY TO GO. THEY HAVE EVERYTHING SET UP. THEY JUST NEED FUNDING FOR FT AND GUIDANCE FROM US. AND THEY HAVE ACTUALLY PEOPLE WANTING TO GIVE MONEY WAITING IN THE WINGS. THAT'S EXCITING. IF WE COULD GET CONSENSUS. >> ABSOLUTELY. LET'S LOOK AT THIS. IS THE FIRST MEETING OF SEPTEMBER TOO EARLY? >> PROBABLY TOO SOON. I WILL CHECK WITH MR. KINNEY TODAY AND SEE WHO IS THE CONTACT PERSON AT THE FOUNDATION >> >> THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR THE HARD WORK ON THIS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WALDRON FOR HIS WORK. HE HAS BEEN A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR THIS. EXCITED TO HEAR THIS WITH THE PLAN IS. THE OTHER ITEM THEY WANTED TO TRY TO GET THE DISC GOLF COURSE BEFORE THE BOARD. WE HAD A LENGTHY DISCUSSION AND NEVER VOTED TO PROCEED WITH IT. IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO PROCEED OR NOT TO PROCEED. BUT CONSIDERING WE'RE GETTING READY TO CLOSE THE GOLF COURSE, IT MAY BE A GOOD TIME TO DO IT [04:20:02] WHILE THAT IS GOING ON. >> SO DO WE, IS THERE CONSENSUS TO BRING BACK IN SEPTEMBER AS WELL? >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THE STATUS ON THE FULL ENGINEERING TO DO TO A DISC GOLF COURSE. CAN'T IMAGINE IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE. WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO SEE WHETHER THE BOARD WANTS TO MAKE A POLICY DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE BACK NINE HOLES BEING USED FOR DISC GOLF. >> COST ANALYSIS WILL BE IMPORTANT AS WELL. >> THERE'S CONSENSUS. LET'S LOOK AT THAT >> THAT IS ALL. >> COMMISSIONER. I HAD A QUESTION COUPLE, A COUPLE QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY MORE FOR STAFF. ELLEN AVERY SMITH HAD A SLIDE WITH THE IMPACT FEES THAT SHE WAS PAYING. THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD PAY TO THE COUNTY AND HAD THE AD VALOREM, WHERE IT GOES. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BALL FIELDS OR RECREATIONAL SPACE. DO THOSE IMPACT FEES AND AD VALOREMTAXES GO TO BUILDING MORE BALL FIELDS OR CAN THEY BE USED TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE? THAT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF. >> THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE IMPACT FEE FOR PARKS AND RECREATION CAN BE USED FOR MAINTAINING CURRENT ASSET AND THE ANSWER IS NO. >> YOU CAN ONLY USE FOR EXPANSION OF YOUR FACILITY. >> AND THE AD VALOR EMCAN MAINTAIN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IS THERE A WAY TO EARMARK SO THEY CAN ONLY MAINTAIN WHAT SERVES THAT COMMUNITY? >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LEGISLATIVE POLICY DECISION. YOU CAN EARMARK BY MAKING CERTAIN APPROPRIATION AND THAT CAN BE CARRIED FORWARD AS A CAPITAL PLAN OVER AS PART OF YOUR ADOPTED BUDGET. >> SO, WE COULD IF WE CHOSE AS A BOARD. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> ASK THAT THE AD VALOREM TAX DOLLARS GO TO SERVING PARKS AND REC. >> THE IMPACT FEE DOLLARS. >> WELL THE IMPACT TO BUILD THE FACILITY AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. THE AD VALOR EMTO MAINTAIN. >> I AM. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE TAX DOLLARS THAT THE MILL APPLIED STAYS IN THAT AREA AND NOT USED TO SUPPORT PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY. THEN AGAIN WE'RE ROBBING FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE CONTINUE TO FALL BEHIND. >> SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION OF THIS OR POTENTIALLY THE AREA FOR EVALUATION. ARE YOU SUGGESTING A COUNTY WIDE PRINCIPLE EARMARKING OF CERTAIN PROPERTY TAXES TO BE SERVING CERTAIN PARKS OR THIS IS MORE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT RELATED? >> NO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I AM THINKING WOULD BE GOOD TO USE COUNTY WIDE. >> WITH MY DISTRICT BEING THE MODEL FOR WHAT NOT TO DO. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. THE BEST WAY TO ANSWER IT TO GET WITH YOU TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT YEAR TALKING ABOUT TO GET WITH PFM AND MR. DUNN TO GET YOU A CLEAR ANSWER. WE CAN'T ANSWER ON THE FLOOR. WE WILL HAVE BAD INFORMATION. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT ON THE FLOOR. >> I WANTED TO BRING UP IN THE PRESENCE OF THE OTHER FOUR COMMISSIONERS. DURING MY SHORT TIME ON THE BOARD, IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS TO BE BROUGHT UP AS A CHALLENGE IN MY DISTRICT. I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS -- >> COMMISSIONER, BEFORE YOU GO FURTHER. ARE YOU ASKING FOR CONSENSUS? OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AN ISSUE BROUGHT UP BY OTHER DISTRICTS, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS TO ASK STAFF TO BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS? >> I'M HAPPY TO HAVE A ONE-ON-ONE MEETING WITH STAFF OR I WOULD CERTAIN WELCOME YOUR THOUGHTS GIVEN YOUR VAST EXPERIENCE OF THE BOARD, I WELCOME ANY THOUGHTS, SUGGESTIONS THAT COULD HELP ME BETTER FOCUS MY EFFORTS HERE. >> THERE'S RESEARCH THAT HAS TO BE DONE BY STAFF. THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE WE CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER. [04:25:03] WE HAVE TO DO IT ON THE FLOOR. IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE YOU NEED CONSENSUS OR -- >> NO, SIR, WE DON'T NEED CONSENSUS. HE'S ASKING US FOR A RESTRICTION-BASED FUNDING MECHANISM. I NEED TO CHECK WITH MR. SCHROEDER AND LEGAL TO SEE IF YOU CAN RESTRICT DOLLARS SPECIFICALLY TO AN AREA. >> SURE. UNDERSTOOD. WE CAN MEET. I DON'T NEED BOARD CONSENSUS. I CAN MEET AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >> YEAH I HAVE A COMMENT. WE HAVE THE SEPTEMBER MEETINGS PRETTY WELL LOAD UP. IN MY PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF ABOUT OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP IN OCTOBER, THIS FALLS UNDER THAT UMBRELLA TO SOME EXTENT. I HAVE THE SAME PUZZLEMENT FOR FIVE YEARS. I NEED A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THAT ARITHMETIC WORKS. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD AS A SUBSET OF OUR DISCUSSION ON GROWTH MANAGEMENT. NEEDLESS TO SAY, ROADS, TRANSPORTATION AND THOSE ISSUES CONGESTION ARE TO ME IS PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE ITEM I HEAR ABOUT FROM CITIZENS WHO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT OUR EXPONENTIAL GROWTH. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. >> SO, COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> THE ONLY THING COMMISSIONER DEAN, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SILOING PER DISTRICT. THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW HOW DO YOU LOOK AT LIKE COUNTY ROAD 210 WAS EXISTING WHEN SOMEBODY MOVED HERE >> THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THE COUNTY PAID FOR COUNTY ROAD 210. HOW DO YOU BENEFIT, YOU KNOW HOW, I CAN NEVER DO AD VALOREM CORRECTLY. THE VALUES PLACED ON THAT. THAT'S DEFINITELY A BIG DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE IN OCTOBER. >> I DON'T THINK PERSONALLY I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF SILOING TAXES FOR AN AREA. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT BUT IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S FEASIBLE OR FAIR. OKAY. >> LAST THING I HAVE AND THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN TYING MYSELF IN KNOTS. I RAN FOR THE OFFICE TO BE A VOICE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A VOICE. BOTH PRIVATE AND GOVERNMENT BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN TELLING EMPLOYEES THAT IF THEY DON'T GET THE VACCINE THE COVID SHOT, THAT THEY'RE UNDER THREAT OF TERMINATION. I SIMPLY THINK THAT'S WRONG. WE HAVE ALL GIVEN UP SOMETHING EITHER VOLUNTARILY OR MANDATE. MY BUSINESS WAS SHUT DOWN WITHOUT ANYBODY ASKING ME. I'M HEARING FROM RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE WHO AREN'T RESIDENTS THEY ARE SCARED THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE THEIR JOB BECAUSE THEIR EMPLOYER IS GOING TO MAKE A MEDICAL DECISION FOR THEM. I'M NOT ASKING FOR THIS BOARD TO TAKE ANY ACTION TO MAKE THAT CHANGE AND I'M NOT SPEAKING AGAINST THE EFFICACY OF THE VACCINE. I THINK THE EARLY DATA INDICATES IT'S PREVENTING THE MOST SEVERE SYMPTOMS IN PATIENTS >> I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SLIPPERY SLOPE IF A GOVERNMENT CAN TELL AN EMPLOYEE THEY CAN NO LONGER RECEIVE A JOB IF THEY DO NOT GET THE VACCINE. IT DOESN'T PREVENT THEM FROM CONTRACTING THE VIRUS OR TRANSMITTING IT. BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO GET IT. I HAD TO GET THAT OFF MY CHEST. I THINK WE'RE ON A SLIPPERY SLOPE. CAN AN EMPLOYER ASK YOU TO GET A FLU SHOT. REGULATE YOUR INTAKE OF SUGAR? I THINK THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED. I KNOW THERE ARE SEVEN STATES THAT HAVE TAKEN LEGISLATIVE ACTION. IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF AND CONTINUE TO MONITOR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE MR. CHAIR. >> APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. I WILL BE BRIEF. I KNOW WE HAVE INFORMATION GOING OUT. GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOPS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE NEXT MONTH GET BRIEFED ON THE SCHEDULE, LOCATIONS AND DETAILS. WHO DO WE HAVE LEADING THIS AS FAR AS? MR. COTTON? OKAY. SO IF WE CAN PREPARED TO GIVE US, IT WOULD BE JUST A BRIEF. THESE ARE THE DATES WE'RE LOOKING AT. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF US TO TALK TO THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY LOOK AT IT. I WANT TO MAKE THE BOARD AWARE, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS I WILL MAKE IS WE USE OR COMMITTEE SYSTEM BETTER. THIS IS WORKING OUT GREAT. [04:30:03] COMMISSIONER SMITH AND DEAN TO HIRE OUT OUR TAKEN. IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE BOARD TO APPOINT TWO COMMISSIONERS TO WORK WITH STAFF TO LOOK AT GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT CODES. I WILL BRING THAT UP AT A LATER TIME. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS WE'RE HEARING. IN LIGHT OF THAT, I RECEIVED AN E-MAIL I BELIEVE WE ALL REFERRED IT FROM I BELIEVE SHE'S IN YOUR DISTRICT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC BUILD UP AND POTENTIAL SAFETY ISSUES IN LONG LEAF PINE PARK WAY. ABERDEEN. AGAIN, THE RESIDENT I SPOKE WITH DURING OUR LUNCH BREAK, HER CONCERNS ARE YOU HAVE PEOPLE NON NON NONOT -- ADHERING TO THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS. I WILL FORWARD THIS E-MAIL. WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT THE ISSUES. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED 20, 30 YEARS AGO WITH INFRASTRUCTURE AND GROWTH. THESE ARE VERY REAL-WORLD SAFETY ISSUES. I WILL FORWARD TO YOU TO SEE IF THERE'S RECOMMENDATIONS WE CAN LOOK AT. PEOPLE ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE TRAFFIC LAWS AND CREATING A DANGEROUS ENVIRONMENT. GOD FORBID A CHILD IS HURT. WE DID COVER THE NEW ATTORNEY SEARCH. THANK YOU FOR WORKING HARD ON THIS. MR. MCCORMACK SENT A LETTER TO MYSELF AND EACH OF US AS A BOARD MEMBER. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT ARE COMING UP SPECIFICALLY REDISTRICTING THAT I KNOW IS GOING TO BE TALKED ABOUT IN A FEW MINUTES. WE'RE NOT REALISTICALLY NOT GOING TO HAVE A NEW COUNTY ATTORNEY ON BY THE TIME MR. MCCORMACK'S CONTRACT HAS ENDED. I WOULD LIKE TO RAISE THE POSSIBILITY OF EXTENDING MR. MCCORMACK'S CONTRACT TO THE END OF THE YEAR. THE PURPOSE WOULD BE FOR WHOEVER THE NEW COUNTY ATTORNEY IS, IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT ON THEIR PLATE. TO RUN THE OFFICE AND BE READY TO OPERATE AND EXECUTE. THERE'S HISTORICAL ISSUES THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR YOU MR. MCCORMACK TO CONTINUE TO OVERSEE, UNDER THE NEW DIRECTION OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, WHOEVER HE OR SHE IS. I THINK WE DO REDISTRICTING EVERY 10 YEARS. IT'S HARD TO WALK IN A NEW JOB. WHOEVER WE HIRE IS REQUIRED UNDER THE FLORIDA BAR RULES TO WIND DOWN THEIR PRACTICE. THEY HAVE 60 TO 90 DAYS TO DO THAT. THEY HAVE TO SEND NOTICES TO THEIR CLIENTS. HELP THEM FIND NEW ATTORNEYS. EVEN IF HIRE SOMEONE TODAY, AND REALISTICALLY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT OCTOBER, NOVEMBER POTENTIALLY UNTIL THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO COME ON BOARD. IT'S BENEFICIAL TO GET AHEAD OF THAT. MR. MCCORMACK, YOU AND I DID TALK ABOUT THIS. YOU DID INDICATE THE WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT. >> AFTER SERVING THE COUNTY FOR 15 YEARS, THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS LEAVE IN AN AWKWARD SITUATION. THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH GOING ON THIS YEAR. AND LAST YEAR AND A HALF. PANDEMIC, ET CETERA, A FEW THINGS AS THE CARE MENTIONED. I'M READY TO HAVE MY LAST DAY SEPTEMBER 30TH. IF THE BOARD IN ITS WISDOM DECIDE YOU NEED ME FOR SOME LATER TIME, I CERTAINLY WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. I CAN'T GIVE ADVICE TO MY OWN CONTRACTS SO AS TO HOW THAT WOULD BE DONE ET CETERA. WHETHER THAT, IF THE BOARD WANTED TODAY TO PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA OR CONSENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AGAIN, I WOULD LEAD MR. VOLTIES TO LEAD THAT. SHOULD THE BOARD IN ITS WISDOM DECIDE IT MIGHT NEED ME TO STICK AROUND FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT FOR US? >> RIGHT, I THINK IF THAT IS THE CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD, PERHAPS WE CAN DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE AN EXTENSION FOR MR. MCCORMACK'S CONTRACT FOR WHATEVER PERIOD OF TIME THE BOARD DIRECTS AND BRING BACK FOR APPROVAL. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE WAY TO PROVIDE IF THAT'S HOW YOU WANT [04:35:01] TO DO IT. >> MY HOPE IS TO KEEP THIS EXTREMELY SIMPLE. I KNOW YOU CAN'T GIVE ADVICE TO YOUR OWN CONTRACT. PATRICK, IF WE WERE TO SUGGEST, IF I WERE TO SUGGEST OR MAKE A MOTION TO SIMPLY EXTEND YOUR CONTRACT CURRENT FROM SEPTEMBER 30TH TO DECEMBER 31ST. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN GIVE US A YES OR NO ANSWER. I WANT TO KEEP IT SIMPLE. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU OR DO YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT? >> I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. I WOULD SAY TO GIVE THE BOARD MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO A MONTH ON MONTH OR THE WHOLE THREE MONTH THING. I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT TO EITHER OF THOSE. AGAIN,AS TO HOW THAT SHOULD BE DONE, MR. VOLTIES IS GIVING ADVICE. >> JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, I WOULD DO A SIMPLE AMENDMENT TO EXTEND TO DECEMBER 31ST. HE AIN'T GOING TO BE OUT OF HERE OCTOBER 1ST. >> I AGREE. THAT'S WHY I RAISED IT. I SAT DOWN MR. MCCORMACK. IT'S A LOT FOR A NEW HIRE, ALSO THE UNDERSTANDING THEY HAVE TO WIND DOWN OTHER AREAS OF THEIR PRACTICE. WE'RE DOWN A COUPLE ATTORNEYS. WHOEVER WE HIRE, SHE OR HE WILL STEP IN AND LEAD THE OFFICE. IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO CONTINUE MR. MCCORMACK TO FINISH OUT THE AREAS AND TO HAND OFF. MY PREFERENCE IS, THIS IS OUR FIRST CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MOTION TO EXTEND IT. WE CAN WORK OUT THE DETAILS. THERE'S NOTHING THAT PREVENTS US. YOU INDICATED YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT. I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE RETIREMENT PLANS, WE DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THAT. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR CITIZENS TO MAKE SURE THE BALLS ARE NOT DROPPED AND PUT THE NEXT COUNTY ATTORNEY IN THE BEST POSITION AND OUR CITIZENS IN THE BEST POSITION AND STAFF. >> I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A SIMPLE MOTION. >> THAT'S WHY DON'T WE START FROM THAT AND GO FROM THERE. >> I WILL SIMPLY MOVE TO OFFER TO PATRICK MCCORMACK AN EXTENSION OF HIS CURRENT CONTRACT FROM SEPTEMBER 30TH TO DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR AS IT CURRENTLY READS WITH ALL THE ISSUES THAT ARE IN THE CONTRACT. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. PUBLIC COMMENT. GOING ONCE. GOING TWICE. >> MR. CHAIR. >> I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT PUBLIC COMMENT SHORT. WE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT TO ALSO INCLUDE DOING THE NECESSARY PAPERWORK INCLUDING ANY AMENDMENTS OR WRITTEN EXTENSIONS THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED AND BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD IN A CONSENT ITEM. CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU MR. MCCORMACK. MR. VOLTIES. I WILL DIRECT TO YOU. I WANT TO AGAIN THANK COMMISSIONER DEAN AND COMMISSIONER SMITH FOR TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS. THAT WAS A LOT OF APPLICATIONS TO GO THROUGH. APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S EXTRA WORK AND EFFORT AND MAKING SURE OUR MOST IMPORTANT HIRES ARE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY. WE APPRECIATE THE GREAT WORK MR. MCCORMACK HAS DONE AND CLOSE THAT OUT. SO GENTLEMEN, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. WHY DON'T WE TURN OVER TO, ACTUALLY, I DID HAVE ONE MORE THING. I STARTED TO BRING THIS UP TODAY. WE HAVE SEEN WHAT HAS UNFOLDED IN AFGHANISTAN AND IS A REMINDER WHAT A GREAT COUNTRY THIS IS. [County Administrator’s Report] WE ARE A GREAT COUNTRY. WE HAVE GREAT AMERICANS THAT SERVE THIS COUNTRY. I'M DISAPPOINTED TO SEE HOW THIS PLAYED OUT. I'M SPEAKING AS A SERVICE MEMBER WHO SERVED IN THE AREA. GOD BLESS ALL TO FOUGHT FIGHTING TERRORISM. HAVING SAID THAT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS. JUST A QUICK DATE ON THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS. [04:40:01] THE CENSUS DATA CAME OUT ON AUGUST 12TH. MADE AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY. WE RECEIVED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THAT INFORMATION. AS YOU ARE ALL AWARE IF YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE REDISTRICTING. THERE'S A NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT HAVE TO BE HELD BETWEEN THIS BOARD AND THE SCHOOL BOARD. THE FIRST MEETING IS TENTATIVELY SCHE SCHEDULED AS A VIRTUAL MEETING. THIS BOARD WOULD BE HERE AND THE SCHOOL BOARD WOULD APPEAR IN THEIR AUDITORIUM FROM 9:00 TO NOON AND THREE FUTURE MEETINGS THAT WILL BE SCHEDULED. AN IN-PERSON PRESENTATION FOR OPTIONS FOR DISTRICTS. SO TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED. WE WILL WORK WITH THE CLERK TO NOTICE THAT MEETING. IT WILL BE A PROPERLY NOTICED MEETING SET FOR AUGUST 25TH, 9:00 A.M. TO 12:00 P.M. AND HAVE AT LEAST THREE MORE MEETINGS BETWEEN THIS BOARD AND THE SCHOOL BOARD. IT'S A SHORTER TIME FRAME BECAUSE THE CENSUS DATA CAME OUT SEVERAL MONTHS LATER. WE'RE SQUEEZING A LOT INTO A LITTLE TIME. HAS ANDREWS AND MR. MCCORMACK HAVE TAKEN THE LEAD ON THAT AND THE RPF PROCESS TO GET THESE MEETINGS, SCHEDULED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD RELATED TO THAT, THAT CONCLUDES >> THANK YOU. SIR. >> ACTUALLY, IF I MAY ADD ON TO MR. CONRAD'S COMMENTS, AS THIS BOARD KNOWS, IT HAD AGREED WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD TO COORDINATE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD TO DO THE REDISTRICTING AND HAVE THE SCHOOL BOARD TAKE THE LEAD AS THE COUNTY TOOK THE LEAD 10 YEARS AGO. IN THE FIRST ROUND OF RFP, THEY WERE NOT SUITABLE RESPONDENTS. THE SCHOOL BOARD WENT OUT AND RESPONDED TO DO THE DUTY. THE FIGURE I SAW FOR THE CONTRACT WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 59 K. WHICH IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO. IT'S A FACTOR OF TWO THINGS. THINGS ARE MORE COMPLICATED NOW. LEGALLY AND NUMBER TWO, AGAIN, [County Attorney’s Report] BECAUSE OF THE FIRST PART, I THINK EVERYBODY IS COMPETITIVE TO TRY TO GET THESE CONSULTANTS AND EXPERTS. OF COURSE THAT COST WOULD BE DIVIDED. I DIDN'T WANT THE BOARD TO BE SURPRISED LATER ON. THAT'S THE DOLLAR THAT I HAD SEEN. SO. MOVING ON, OPIOID LITIGATION, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MR. VOLTIES BASICALLY MAKE A COMMENT AND I AM GOING TO ASK FOR APPROVAL ON AN ITEM RELATED TO THAT. IF YOU WOULD. >> SURE. THANK YOU PATRICK. DID WANT TO BRING THE BOARD UP TO SPEED ON A COUPLE OF DEVELOPMENTS IN THE OPIOID LITIGATION. I WILL START WITH PROBABLY THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE READ MOST ABOUT IN THE NEWS IF YOU HAVE READ ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME NATIONWIDE SETTLEMENTS REACHED BETWEEN DISTRIBUTORS OF OPIOIDS AS WELL AS JOHNSON & JOHNSON. THE TERMS OF DEAL INCLUDE BILLIONS OF DOLLAR AS WELL AS J & J INCLUDING AN EXCESS OF A BILLION DOLLARS. BUT, WHAT YOU WILL RECALL, THE BOARD APPROVED THE ENTRY, THE COUNTY INTO AN MOU TO ESTABLISH A GENERAL DISTRIBUTION PLAN FOR ANY SETTLEMENT FUNDS. IT'S AN M.O.U. WITH THE STATE AND MOST LIKELY THE SETTLEMENTS WOULD GO THROUGH THAT DISTRIBUTION PLAN WHERE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE WOULD GO TO THE STATE AND THEN A PERCENTAGE WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY AS WELL AS THE PERCENTAGE IN THE CASE OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FOR THE REGION. THE FUNDS WOULD NEED TO BE SPENT ON OPIOID RELATED ACTIVITIES [04:45:03] PREVENTION AND TREATMENT ACTIVITIES RATHER THAN JUST SWEPT INTO THE GENERAL FUND. AND THEN SHIFTING TO THE OTHER OPIOID RELATED ITEM, THERE WAS ALSO A BANKRUPTCY OF ONE OF MANUFACTURERS MALENCROT THAT PROPOSED A BANKRUPTCY PLAN WHEREBY THE COMPANY WOULD RESTRUCTURE AND PAY $1.6 BILLION OF CASH AND ASSETS IN A TRUST DIVIDED UP AMONG THE CLAIMANTS WHICH INCLUDE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, HOSPITALS AND PERSONAL INJURY CLAIMS. THERE'S A FAIRLY SHORT DEADLINE FOR CLAIMANTS TO VOTE ON THIS PLAN. WE NEED TO SUBMIT OUR VOTE BY SEPTEMBER 3RD AND OUR OUTSIDE COUNCIL WILL VOTE ON OUR BEHALF. WE WOULD BE ASKING FOR THE BOARD'S AUTHORIZATION TO SUBMIT A VOTE ON BEHALF OF SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY. >> WE WON'T HAVE THE FINAL DETAILS UNTIL YOUR NEXT MEETING. THE BOARD IS DIRECTED TO PROTECT THE COUNTY'S INTEREST UNLESS THE BOARD DIRECTS OTHERWISE, I WOULD PLAN TO DO THAT. WE WOULD BRIEF WITH ADMIN AND KIND OF MAKE A DECISION WHETHER IN OR OUT ON THAT PARTICULAR BANKRUPTCY ITEM, AND THEN REGISTER OUR VOTE FOR THE COUNTY BY SEPTEMBER 3RD. THAT WOULD BE THE PLAN. >> THANK YOU, WE'RE GOING TO COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I HAVE A QUESTION, ESPECIALLY IN YOUR PRESENTATION, IT SEEMS LIKE THE SETTLEMENT DOLLARS WOULD BE UTILIZED FOR EDUCATION. WOULD THAT INCLUDE THINGS WE HAD IN THE PAST THE COSTS. >> FIRE RESCUE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. >> NARCAN, THE PRODUCT ITSELF. >> WELL, YOU KNOW, BEFORE I ENTER THAT, I SHOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION, IT PROVIDES AN AMOUNT OF FEES OR FUND FOR ATTORNEYS FEES FOR LITIGATING THIS CASE AS WELL THAT THE FIRMS CAN MAKE CLAIMS ON AS WELL. THERE'S INCENTIVES TO ENCOURAGE THAT AS WELL. RATHER THAN THE CLAIMS COMING OR THE FEES COMING OUT OF THE FUNDS PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY. MY UNDERSTANDING, I WILL HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU TO BE HONEST. I KNOW IT'S TALKING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD AND PROGRAMS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST BUT IN TERMS OF LIKE FIRE RESCUE COSTS, I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT MORE CLOSELY. I KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE DIRECTED TO OPIOID-RELATED ACTIVITIES. SO COST MAYBE DOES COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND THAT IS BUDGETED FOR FIRE RESCUE. I'M NOT SO SURE ABOUT IT. I WOULD LOOK AT THAT MORE CLOSELY AND PROVIDE YOU WITH AN ANSWER. THERE ARE A LOT OF COSTS WE PUT FORWARD. WE INVESTED IN OTHER ENTITIES IN ORDER O THWART SOME OF THOSE EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUNDS. THAT'S WHAT I HAD IN MY MIND. >> THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY WHICH IS DIRECTED TOWARD DRUG TREATMENT AND PREVENTION, I THINK WOULD CLEARLY BE COVERED. I WAS THINKING MORE ABOUT THE FUNDS THAT OR THE REVENUES THAT ARE SORT OF PART OF THE GENERAL FUND FOR FIRE RESCUE. BUT, YEAH, I THINK EPIC AND OTHER TYPE OF TREATMENT ACTIVITIES AND PROGRAMS WOULD BE COVERED. >> RIGHT. IF I MAY THROUGH THE CHAIR. COMMISSIONER SMITH, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, WHEN THE COUNTY ENTERED THE LITIGATION, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO PARTICIPATE WAS TO PROVIDE DOLLAR FIGURES OR BEST ESTIMATES ON THOSE COSTS THAT THE COUNTY HAD PROVIDED. WE WILL DOUBLE CHECK. I THINK THIS OPIOID HAS VERY COMPLEX WITH DIFFERENT PODS AND DIFFERENT DEFENDANTS ET CETERA. MY SENSE IS THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME RECOGNITION OF THOSE COSTS BUT WE WILL DOUBLE CHECK AND REPORT BACK ACTUALLY TO THE FULL BOARD. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. IF THAT'S GOOD. SO, THE BOARD COULD DO A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO CAST THE VOTE BY SEPTEMBER 3RD IN COORDINATION WITH ADMINISTRATION. [04:50:04] YOU COULD MAKE THAT MOTION OR I ALTERNATIVELY, YOU COULD RELY THE COUNTY ORDINANCE THAT PROVIDES THE COUNTY ATTORNEY CAN TAKE ACTION TO PROTECT THE COUNTY. YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION OR I WILL ACT TO THE ORDINANCE ALREADY ESTABLISHED. >> I WOULD YIELD TO THE ORDINANCE. THERE MAYBE NEEDLESS DISCRETION AND I TRUST YOU WITH THAT. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. SO IS IT CONSENSUS, STICK WITH THE ORDINANCE. >> THANK YOU. FIRE WATCH. AS THE BOARD KNOWS BE, THE COUNTY IS A PARTICIPANT IN AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT OF FIVE COUNTY INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT PERTAINING TO THE FIRE WATCH PROGRAM, WHICH IS A PROGRAM DESIGNED TO PREVENT VETERAN SUICIDE AS PART OF THAT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, JACKSONVILLE HAD BEEN KIND OF THE HOST COUNTY FOR ADMINISTRATION. SOME ADMINISTRATIVE ASPECTS TO THE PROGRAM. I THINK THAT THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE AND FIRE WATCH HAVE PROPOSED MOVING THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE PROGRAM AT LEAST FOR SOME TIME PERIOD DOWN TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THE ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CLERK OF COURT HAVE BEEN ALSO I GUESS MADE AWARE OF THAT PROPOSAL. I WILL TELL YOU I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FIRE WATCH LEADERS AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN OTHER CONVERSATIONS EITHER THROUGH ADMIN OR THE CLERK OR BOTH. IN THAT I THINK WHAT THE FIRE WATCH IS ASKING FOR, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE EXACTLY RECOMMENDING TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN TERMS OF ALL OF THEIR POTENTIAL COSTS AND TIME INVOLVED. BUT I THINK IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE BOARD TO REQUEST A REPORT BACK AND SOME OPTIONS ON HOW TO DO THAT. AND AT THAT TIME, I COULD BEST DEVELOP WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BOARD WOULD BE PERTAINING TO THAT. IN COORDINATION WITH ADMINISTRATION AND THE CLERK OF COURT. I THINK THEY, THE FIRE WATCH WOULD LIKE SOME TYPE OF RESPONSE PROBABLY ON THE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. I DO UNDERSTAND THE SEPTEMBER 6TH AGENDA, YOU KNOW MAY BE GETTING FULL OR THE 21ST. IF I COULD PROPOSE THAT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR SOME DIRECTION ABOUT BRINGING BACK AN AGENDA ITEM PERTAINING TO THAT AND RECOMMENDATIONS. >> I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO LOOK AT SOME OPTIONS FOR THAT. LOOK AT THE COSTS WILL I AM OPEN TO THE IDEA. THERE'S PROBABLY MORE INFORMATION WE NEED. IS THAT -- HOW DOES THE REST OF THE BOARD FEEL? >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YEAH, IF WE COULD GET MORE INFORMATION ALSO TOO HOW WOULD THE MONEY BE HANDLED. >> THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S ONE OF ACTUAL REQUESTS. IF I MAY IN JACKSONVILLE, I THINK IT'S GOING THROUGH THE JACKSONVILLE ACTUAL CITY SYSTEM AND IT HAD BEEN PROPOSED OVER HERE TO GO THROUGH THE ST. JOHN'S CLERK OF COURT SYSTEM. I HAVE TALKED TO THE CLERK. IF, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM. I BELIEVE HE'S GOT CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AND ONE OPTION THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE IS TO SORT OF BE ANALOGOUS TO SAY THE IDA PROGRAM, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LEGAL COUNCIL AND ACCOUNTANT ESSENTIALLY. THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE, HAVE A CONNECTION WITH THE COUNTY BUT THEY'RE NOT ADMINISTERED BY THE COUNTY DEPARTMENTS OR THE CLERK OF COURT. SO THAT MAY BE AN OPTION BUT COMMISSIONER WALDRON, THAT GOES TO YOUR QUESTION. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I JUST, I AM GOING TO SAY, THIS ENDS UP LEADING TO A LOT OF OTHER QUESTIONS WE NEED A GOOD HISTORICAL EMPHASIS. WHAT IS TRULY THE REAL REQUEST IS OUTLINE IT AND THEN WE CAN PUT NUMBERS TO IT. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF TO ME, [04:55:07] UNKNOWNS HERE THAT I NEED TO HAVE ANSWERED. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A VERY COMPLETE AND THOROUGH ANALYSIS AND ADDRESS IN ORDER TO MAKE A GOOD SOLID DECISION. SO, WHATEVER WE DO, THAT I REQUEST IT BE THOROUGH. WE'RE VERY SPECIFIC IN THE REQUEST AND WHAT, I THOUGHT WE WERE THAT WAY TO START WITH. APPARENTLY, SOMETHING HAS COME UNRAILED AND THINGS AREN'T GOING THE WAY IT INTENDED. I THOUGHT THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS CLEAR AND OUR CONTRIBUTION WAS VERY POINTED. THAT SEEMS TO NOT BE THE CASE AT THIS POINT. I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHY. WHY IS THIS OCCURRED? WHY ARE WE LEAVING JACKSONVILLE WHO WAS GOING TO TAKE THE LEAD AND CHARGE THROUGH IT AND WE'RE BEING REQUESTED TO DO IT. THAT'S NOT FOR TODAY. THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THIS REPORT THAT COMES TO US SO WE CAN HAVE MAKE A GOOD SOLID DECISION. IS THERE CONSENSUS? DO WE HAVE, I GUESS WE LOOK AT, IS SEPTEMBER ENOUGH TIME? >> I WILL CHECK WITH MR. MCCORMACK AND THE CLERK AND GENERAL FLEMING. SO YOU'RE AWARE, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH HIM AS WELL. THE REASON MR. MCCORMACK IS GIVING SO MUCH INFORMATION IS IT'S FALLING FROM THE LEGAL SIDE. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION. I DON'T MIND BEING THE ONE TO COORDINATE. I THINK IT PROBABLY WILL BE A PRESENTATION COMING FROM FIRE WATCH WITH POTENTIALLY LEGAL AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE WEIGHING IN. I WILL COORDINATE WITH THE CLERK TO DETERMINE WHEN IS GOOD FOR HIM AND MR. MCCORMACK. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE WITH THE JACKSONVILLE CITY COUNCIL OR THE THERE MIGHT BE A RELUCTANCE TO COMMENT. IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO REACH OUT TO A COMMISSIONER. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS HAPPENING IN JACKSONVILLE. I IMAGINE THERE'S A PREMISE BEHIND THIS. I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE, THEY MAY NOT WANT TO COME HERE AND BE CRITICAL OF DUVAL COUNTY ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY'RE PROVIDING FUNDING. I WILL SAY THAT FOR OUR OWN EDIFICATION AND HOPEFULLY GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. I WILL MAKE PHONE CALLS AS WELL. >> NEXT AND LAST, THE CHAIR OF THE VETERANS COUNCIL HAD COME TO THE COUNTY EARLIER THIS YEAR COLONEL BILL DUDLEY AND TALKED ABOUT STATE ROAD 207 AND THE VA CLINIC THERE AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE, AND HAD MADE A REQUEST TO THE BOARD TO SEE IF THE COUNTY WOULD TRY TO ASCERTAIN OR COORDINATE WITH THE FDOT FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE. AND MR. DUDLEY HAS CONTACTED ME BACK TO SEE. THE MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE STATE HAD DONE A TRAFFIC COUNT OUT THERE AND I THINK AT THE TIME THEY HAD DONE THAT, THE NUMBERS DID NOT WARRANT A TRAFFIC LIGHT. I HAD INDICATED TO ADMIN AND MR. CALDWELL AND MR. NGUYEN THIS TOPIC MIGHT COME UP TODAY SO THEY CAN COMMENT BACK TO THE BOARD. AS IT SITS FROM MY EARLIER CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR STAFF AGAIN AS I THINK THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC NUMBERS AS I UNDERSTAND DO NOT WARRANT A TRAFFIC LIGHT. WHETHER THERE COULD BE SOME OTHER MECHANISM, THE QUALITY OF THE TRAFFIC, OR SOME OTHER FACTOR THAT COULD HELP FACILITATE GETTING A LIGHT THERE. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT BACK ON THE BOARD'S RADAR. AND IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MR. CALDWELL OR MR. NGUYEN ON THAT TOPIC. I DID TELL COLONEL DUDLEY I WOULD BRING THE MATTER UP. >> WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? WANT TO HEAR FROM MR. CALDWELL OR ARE YOU PREPARED -- DO WE WANT TO -- >> QUICK UPDATE. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS, THE LATEST INFORMATION THAT WE HAD CONTACTED DOT MR. JEFF SCOTT, [05:00:03] AND HE DID LOOK INTO THE TRIP GENERATION FROM THE VA FACILITY AND STILL DOES NOT MEET SIGNAL WARRANTS. STILL DOT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THE CORRIDOR. BUT, THEY DO NOT LOOK ON THE QUALITATIVE PART OF IT BECAUSE IT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE. THEY LOOK AT ONLY THE STATISTICAL NUMBERS. THE OTHER THING I SPOKE BEFORE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE ANOTHER LOCATION OF STRATTON BOULEVARD AND 16 AND RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN WANTING TO HAVE A SIGNAL THERE. BUT DOT WENT THROUGH THAT AND THEN THEY CAME BACK WITH A CONCEPT IT'S CALLED R-CUT RESTRICTED. U TURN. BASICALLY IS THAT THEY ALLOW A LEFT IN FROM 16 BUT NOT A LEFT OUT FROM THE SIDE STREET. SO IN ORDER FOR YOU TO MAKE A LEFT FROM THE SIDE STREET, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A RIGHT AND THEN YOU MAKE A U-TURN IN ORDER TO GO LEFT. THAT'S THE NEW CONCEPT DOT IS PROVIDING AND THAT COULD BE A CASE HERE AT THIS INTERSECTION. AND MR. JEFF SCOTT DID REACH OUT TO MR. DUDLEY AND SPOKE WITH ABOUT SO. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO COMMISSIONERS NOW. >> I * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.