Aug 05, 2021 Planning and Zoning Agency

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>> ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, SO IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND, PLEASE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU GO AHEAD AND READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT, MADAME VICE CHAIR, PLEASE.

>> MS. PERKINS: YES. THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC LAW THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HE. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST DO SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER. ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRM. SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING AND IT'S A LENGTH TIME AS DESIGNATE CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE M.

SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.

IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY.

IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD THEN IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS TO THAT. TODAY WE HAVE A VERY LONG AGENDA AND IF YOU DO SIMPLE MATH ON IT IF EACH ITEM TOOK ON AVERAGE 30 MINUTES, WE WOULD BE HERE IN THE 9:30 TONIGHT, AND I GET REALLY HANG RIARY RIGHT ABOUT 7:00. I'M IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, DO NOT INTERPRET THIS AS DISOWG NOT SPEAK OR NOT SPEAK YOUR MIND BUT I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM TO PLEASE BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE AND PLEASE DON'T REPEAT YOWFERS REPEAT A POINT THAT ANOTHER PERSON MIGHT HAVE MADE.

SO THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY GET OUT OF HERE AT A REASONABLE TIME.

AND ALSO WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE SPEAK VERY CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE SO THAT WE CAN HEAR AND EVERYBODY ELSE CAN BE DICTATED PROPERLY. AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS THAT ARE OR ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THERE WON'T BE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WHEN THE ITEMS COME UP.

AS EACH ASSIGNMENT INTRODUCED AND THE APPLICANT INTRODUCES THEM, THERE WILL BE A TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THEN ALSO, SO IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME, THOUGH, ON ANY ITEMS THAT ARE OR ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA? SEEING NONE, THEN THE NEXT ORDER

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AND SO LET'S, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, LET'S MOVE INTO ITEM NUMBER

1 ON THE AGENDA. >> MR. CHAIR, BEFORE YOU GET INTO ITEM NUMBER 1 AND THE PRESENTATION, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THERE HAS BEEN THREE LETTERS IN OPPOSITION.

THEY ARE AT YOUR DAIS. THOSE WERE SUBMITTED AFTER YOUR

PACKAGE WAS PREPARED. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

AND I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY MENTION THAT WE GOT A LETTER FROM MS. KING WHO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD RECEIVED HER LETTER, SO WE HAVE RECEIVED MS. VERDELL KING'S LETTER.

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YES, SIR. >> SO I DROVE OUT TO THE PARCEL OF PROPERTY A FEW DAYS AGO, TOOK A LOOK AT IT.

I HAD SOME QUESTIONS. I ALSO REACHED OUT TO I THINK MS. TRACY, I THINK, TO FOLLOW UP.

WE DID NOT DISCUSS IT BUT SHE TOLD ME THAT THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH INFORMATION IN THE PACKET TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT CLAIM, SO DID I NOT DISCUSS IT WITH HER.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE?

>> MY WIFE AND I DROVE BY THE PROPERTY ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON JUST TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO YOU'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION.

>> SPEAKER: SO I'M ALAN CHAPPELL I LIVE AT ONE 37 E GRET

ROAD. >> I'M TRACEY CHAPELL, 1 THEN E

GRET ROAD. >> EVE WE HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS BUT FOR THE SAKE OF BREVITY WE'LL GO QUICKLY, AND IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, BY ALL MEANS ASK.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. WE RECENTLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF FOUR MILE ROAD AND CLAY STREET AND WHAT WE THEN REALIZED WAS ALSO UNOPENED ERVIN STREET.

THIS PROPERTY IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE BECAUSE, WELL IT'S A TRIANGLE BUT IT ALSO HAS THREE FRONT YARDS, SO WE'VE WORKED WITH A HOME DESIGNER AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TO DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, YOU NAME IT, WE'VE SPOKEN TO THEM, AND WE'VE COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT WE THINK WORKS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A SETBACK CHANGE.

WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IS TO MAINTAIN A 25-FOOT SETBACK OFF OF FOUR MILE, AND THEN TO CHANGE THE SETBACK ON CLAY STREET TO 10 FEET, AND OPEN TO ERVIN EIGHT FEET WHICH LOUIS THIS FOOT DISALLOWS THIS FOOTPRINT ON WORK.

WE HAVE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF AMATEUR TRAFFIC STUDIES AND SEEN VISIBILITY THAT THE FREERNT FRONT YARD SETBACKS ON A CORNER LOT IS TO HAVE A CLEAR VIEW OF WHERE YOU'RE TURNING.

WE'VE GOT PICTURES SHOWING VISIBILITY AND THE REALITY IS THE HOUSE BEING SO FAR AWAY FROM THE CORNER, IT DOESN'T IMPEDE THE VIEW AT ALL 1 SO WE'VE DONE A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE AND HIDE PROFESSIONALS, SURVEYORS TO GUIDE US, AND WE THINK IT WORKS AND WE THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. DO ANY OF THE AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO SPEAKER CARDS. SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY BEFORE A MOTION. YES, MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2021-12 SUBJECT TO BE SEVEN CONDITIONS AND FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT. AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF

REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: 75 MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? DR. MCCORMICK SECOND IT, MOTION

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ALL RIGHT. THAT ITEM PRASES.

CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR. MATOVINA: THAT WAS A GOOD START. TONY, LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN KEEP

US ROLLING HERE NOW. >> MR. CHAIRMAN TORT FOR THE RECORD. [INAUDIBLE] TONIGHT ROBBINS. THE NEXT THREE ITEMS 2, 3 AND 4 ARE RELATED. IMRIEN THE PRESENTATION INTO COMBINE THE PRESENTATION INTO ONE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.

>> SPEAKER: ON BEHALF OF THE ST. VINCENT HEALTH SYSTEMS INCORPORATED, DAR INVESTMENTS 1 LLC AND ST. AUGUSTINE LS, THE OWNERS OF THE THREE PUDS, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON. AND STAFF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WITH ME IN THE AUDIENCE IS MR. DOUG SMITH, THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE FOR ASCENSION FLORIDA AND GULF COAST, AND WE ARE HERE TODAY RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING A MODIFICATION TO THREE ADJOINING PUDS TO ACCOMMODATE DIRECT VEHICULAR ACCESS TO COUNTY ROAD 210 FOR NEW STATE-OF-THE-ART HOSPITAL, BRANCH OF THAT ASCENSION OF ST. VINCENTS. THE THREE PUDS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN THERE ARE THE FOUNTAINS NORTH, FOUNTAIN SOUTH AND TRACTOR SUPPLY THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF I-95 AND 210. AND LET'S GET SOME BEARINGS, AN AERIAL SHOT OF THE TRUCK STOP AT I-95 AND 210 THERE.

TWIN CREEKS AND THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL SITE IN THE UPPER RIGHT

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THE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE ENTIRE AREA IS MIXED USE DISTRICT AS WELL AS ZONED PUD. THE REIGN BEHIND THE MODIFICATION REQUEST TODAY. AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND, MR. CHAIR, THAT EVEN THOUGH THE PRESENTATION IS TAKEN UP THREE AS ONE, WE DMIT AGENCY WILL HAVE TO ACT TO THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

IF FIRST ONE BEING FOUNTAINS NORTH.

THE MAJOR MODIFICATION SEEKS TO CHANGE FROM TWO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT TOPTIONZ A SINGLE MEDICAL-RELATED CENTRIC MIX OF NON-SPRECIAL RESIDENTIAL USES, ELIMINATING ALL THE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT WERE PERMISSIBLE, AND TO ASSURE WHATEVER MIX THE DEVELOPER COMPOSES BETWEEN PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, ASSISTED LIVING, HOTEL, THE HOSPITAL, WHATEVER MIX THEY DO, THAT THE TRAFFIC COULD THAT COULD BE GENERATED IS NOT MORE THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED TODAY. CHANGE FROM A TEN-YEAR TIE 15-YEAR PHASE. THIRDLY, SUPPORT THE GREATER CESKT AND COMPATIBILITY AMONGST THE -- CONNECTIVITY AND COMPATIBILITY AMONGST THE DIFFERENT PUDS BY ADJUSTING AND SEEKING RELIEF ON THE SOUTHERN AND EASTERN BUFFERS.

AND EXPANDING THE WAIVER THAT EXISTS THERE TODAY FOR IT TO BE A JOINT UNIT NIDE SIGN PLAN THAT WILL COME BACK BEFORE THIS BODY AND THE COMMISSIONERS LATER ON, BUT A COMMON THEME SIGN AMONGST FOUR DIFFERENT PUDS. WE'RE ADDING THE FOUNTAINS NORTH AND THE TRACTOR SUPPLY TO THIS FAR ONE.

FINALLY SHOWING THE REASON FOR THE MOD FACING, THE DIRECT ACCESS DIRECT TO 210 VERSUS TRACK OF AND AMBULANCE TRAFFIC HAVING TO GO THROUGH A SHOPPING CENTER TO GET TO THE SITE.

YOU SEE ON THE LEFT THE EXISTING M MARYLAND THAT'S APPROVED.

IN THE EXPENL YOU SEE THE CURRENT MDP WHICH A PORTION OF THAT IS NOW -- [INDECIPHERABLE] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3 IS THE MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE PUD THAT'S DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THAT. FOUNTAIN SOUTH.

THE PART OF THE MODIFICATION IS JUST SIMPLY HAD TO CHANGE THE NAME FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMONS AT C10 TO COMMONS SOUTH WHICH IS WHAT IT'S REFERRED TO COMMON THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, ADDING NON-RESIDENTIAL SQUARE FEET FIRE TOTAL OF 206,000 SQUARE FEET FOR NO RESIDENTIAL USES AT ALL, CHANGING THEIR PHASING FROM A SINGLE 5 TO A 15-YEAR PHASE.

MODIFYING THE EXISTING WAIVER FOR THEIR USP TO SPECIFY AGAIN A ACCOUNT USP AMONGST ALL FOUR OF PUDS.

THIS ONE AND THE SURROUNDING ONES.

AND ADD RELIEF FOR THE SLIGHTLY SMALLER DISTANCE BETWEEN THE MEDIUM OPENINGS SO THAT IT APPLIANCE WITH THE NEW TRINITY WAY ACCESS WHICH IS PUD ON THE UPPER LEFT, HALF A STAR, THAT CORNER. WE ILLUSTRATE THE PORTIONS WITHIN THIS PUD AS WELL AS WHAT'S OUTSIDE TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT AS WELL AS THE MEDIAN. AND LAST LAY AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SPHR IS THE MODIFICATION THE TO NEIGHBORING TRACTOR SUPPLY WHICH IS THE ONE TO THE IMMEDIATE EAST, AND THAT'S SIMPLY ON REVISE THE NUMBER OF IMPACTED WETLANDS DUE TO THE INTRODUCTION OF TRIN TWAY THAT'S GOING TO BE TRAFG THROUGH SOME WET LEFT HAND AND AN WAIVER FOR THAT JOINT UNIFIED SIGN PLAN, AND THEN I WILL STRAINGT IT ON THEIR PLAN. THE STAR ON THE LEFT, YOU SEE THE VERY EDGE OF THE WETLAND SYSTEM IS WHERE THIS NEW TRINITY WAY AND THE BOTTOM STRUCTURE INTERFACES.

I WISH TO THANK THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY THEIR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT DIVISION, THEIR PROFESSIONALISM AND CUTTER TIS HAVE BEEN EXTRAORDINARY IN WORKING WITH US ON THIS TO GET THESE PROPOSED CHALLENGES BEFORE YOU TODAY. MR. CHAIRMAN AND AGENCY MEMBERS, THE VETTING THAT HAPPENED ON THIS SHOWS THAT THESE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT ARE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU TODAY, THEY ARE CONSIST OF WITH YOUR 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THEY ARE CONSIST OF WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR APPROVAL OF A MAJOR MODIFICATION.

THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LDC AS IT RELATES TO MDP AND MDP MAPS, AND THE REQUESTED MODIFICATIONS WERE L. NOT ADVERSELY EFFECT THE OF THE -- OF THE COUNTY AS THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING AREAS IN PLAN. SO WITH THAT MR. CHAIRMAN, AGENCY MEMBERS, I RECOMMEND TO THE AGENCY COMMISSION HA THEY APPROVE THE THREE MODIFICATIONS BASED UPON THE SIX FINDINGS OF FACT IN YOUR STAFF REPORTS, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS, NO EMAILS OR CALLS, UNLESS YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WARD CARDIO, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE WELCOME ANY

QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. >> MR. MATOVINA: FIRST LET ME ASK THE AGENCY MEMBERS IF THERE'S ANY EX PARTE

COMMUNICATION. >> DR. MCCORMICK: I HAD DRIVEN BY THIS SITE PREVIOUSLY BUT NOT VERY RECENTLY.

>> MR. . >> I VITD THE SITE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHERS? ALL RIGHT.

DR. HILSENBECK, QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THIS IS MORE A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION.

I THINK I OWE YOU AND YOUR TEAM I DON'T REMEMBER YOU PRESENTING THIS ITEM, EVER -- THIS IS THREE ITEMS NOW -- PREVIOUSLY.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER GENTLEMEN UP THERE, BUT I WAS RATHER SKEPTICAL ABOUT SOME OF YOUR PLANS, AND THEY COULDN'T

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I VOTED AGAINST THESE ITEMS PREVIOUSLY BUT I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THEM NOW. THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, DR. HILSENBECK.

I'LL BE CERTAIN TO PASS THAT ALONG.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 2. YES, MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR MOD 2021-05 FOUNTAINS NORTH AT ST. JOHNS COUNTY, SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MODERATOR: >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY MS. PERKINS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK. THE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

THAT ITEM PASSES 5-0. 6-0.

I GOT TO COUNT A LITTLE BETTER NEXT TIME.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3, MAJOR MOD 2121-06.

>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND A PROOSTLED OF MAJOR MOD 2021-0S. ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMONS AT CR 210 BASED UPON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE GOT A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT ITEM PASSES 6-0.

AND LET'S MOVE ON TO MAJOR MOD 2021-07.

MS. PERKINS, YOU'RE NOT UP THERE BUT I'LL GO WITH YOU.

>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND A MOOFL MAJOR MOD 2021-07 TRACTOR SUPPLY PUD BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AS

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PIERRE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE ONE THING TO SAY. TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER THREE PROPERTY OWNERS TO AGREE ON ANYTHING, TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER THREE PEOPLE TO AGREE ON ANYTHING IS DIFFICULT ENOUGH, BUT THREE PROPERTY OWNERS, INCREDIBLE JOB.

[5. MAJMOD 2020-11 Canopy Shores.]

CONGRATULATIONS, TONY. GOOD JOB.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 5, AND MS. ACEVEDO.

DOES NUB ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE TO DECLARE FOR ITEM

NUMBER 5? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DROVE BY THE SITE ON SUNDAY AND HAD A GOOD LOOK AT IT.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING, OR GOOD AFTERNOON.

SHANNON ACEVEDO WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP 7 WALDO STREET.

THIS IS THE CANOPY SHORES PRESENTATION, A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO ST. AUGUSTINE SHORES PUD AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING RAY MAR GROUP LLC. AND JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE WRORLD, THIS IS SHORES BOULEVARD IT. COMES OFF US-1, AND HERE IS WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

AND IT'S LIMITED TO THESE THREE PARCELS THAT MAKE UP 2.8 ACRES OF LAND. IT'S QUITE A SHALLOW PROPERTY, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 132 AND 165-FOOT OF DEPTH, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE MEASURING IT FROM, AND ABOUT 1,000, ACTUALLY OVER 1,000 FEET OF FRONTAGE ALONG SHORES BOULEVARD.

TO GIVE AN IDEA OF THE TERRAIN, THERE ARE NO WETLANDS ON SITE OR PROTECTED SPECIES FOUND, AND IT BACKS UP TO THIS T AREA.

THIS IS ALL OPEN SPACE, AND THEN, OF COURSE, CANOPY SHORES PARK TO THE EAST. IT IS IN THE RESIDENTIAL C LAND GOT MOSTLY RES-C AROUND YOU WITH SOME PARKS AREA TO THE EAST.

AS YOU GET TO US-1, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET YOUR HIGHER INTENSITY MIXED USE AREAS AND COMMERCIAL AREAS.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT.

THIS IS A VERY OLD PUD. 1979 ACRES OF LAND PLANNED FOR LOTS OF RESIDENTIAL, A GOLF COURSE, SOME COMMERCIAL USES,

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AND GETTING INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE DETAILS, THIS IS OUR MDP MAP. THESE ARE THE TEN LOTS.

THEY HAVE THREE DIRECT ACCESSES POINTS.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WORKED THROUGH WITH THE COUNTY STAFF.

THEY DID NOT WANT TO HAVE SO MANY DIRECT ACCESS POINTS OFF SHORES BOULEVARD BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED A COLLECTOR ROADWAY, AND SO WE'RE MAINTAINING THREE, IN THIS CASE THREE SHARED DRIVEWAYS SERVICING SIX LOTS, AND THEY THEN TO BALANCE THIS OUT WE HAVE AN ACCESS EASEMENT THAT WOULD COME FROM CHRISTINA DRIVE WITH TWO OTHER SHARED DRIVEWAYS, SO THIS WOULD BE FOR THE RMAINING FOUR LOTS. THIS LOUIS DISALLOWS THE SITO MIN MS.THE A IMPERVIOUS STURS AND MAXIMUM OPEN SPACE.

AND JUST KIND OF GETTING MORE INTO THE DETAILS, YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE UP AGAINST IS QUITE A LARGE GRADE CHANGE AS YOU GO TOWARDS THE EAST ON THE SITE, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE RATIONALE OF HAVING THE LOTS FRONT LOADED SO THAT WE COULD PRESERVE SOME OF THAT OPEN SPACE TO THE BACK AND NOT HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH FILL AND IMPACTS TO TREES. AND WHILE THIS MAY NOT TO BE EXACT CONFIGURATION, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE BUILT OUT, SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE DRIVEWAYS COMING IN, PERHAPS SIDE DRIVEWAYS AND SIDE ENTRANCES TO THE GARAGE WHERE YOU HAVE THE HOUSES MORE CLOSER TO FRONTING SHORES BOULEVARD. WE ALSO LOOKED AT DRAINAGE, AND WE HAVE PROVIDED SOME AREAS HERE FOR DRY RETENTION.

AS YOU CAN SEE. AND THEN AGAIN THIS DISALLOWS US REALLY TO MAXIMUMS THE AREA WE CAN KEEP AS OPEN SPACE ON THIS PARCEL. SO THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT WANTED IT TO TALK ABOUT COMPATIBILITY AND ARRIVES EVER WAIVERS TOGETHER BECAUSE IN THIS CASE I THINK THEY REALLY GO HAND IN HAND, AND THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS WE DO NEED A WAIVER FOR DIRECT ACCESS TO A COLLECTOR. IN THIS CASE, MISSING, THERE'S NO NET CHANGE TO THE NUMBER OF ACCESS POINTS GIVEN THE THREE PAR SETTLES THAT ARE THERE TODAY.

WE ALSO NEED A WAIVER TO ALLOW FOR AN EASEMENT WITH AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE TO MINIMIZE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE COLLECTORS.

AND SETBACKS TO THE MAJOR COLLECTOR.

IN THE CODE THE STRICT LETTER REQUIRES 50 FEET.

IN THIS CASE WHAT WE HAVE PROVIDE SAID A 50-FOOT SETBACK TO THE GARAGE ENTRY, AND THEN A STANDARD 25 SETBACK TO THE FRONT WHICH IS CONSIST OF WITH THE REST OF THE SUBDIVISION.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS SOME PRECEDENT FOR THIS WITH SOME OF THE LOTS ALSO HAVING DIRECT ACCESS THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION. THIS DISALLOWS US TO MINIMIZE FILL, DISALLOWS FOR MORE TREE PRESERVATION AND A LOT DESIGN THAT'LL FIT IN BETTER WITH THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND SO WITH THAT, WE REQUEST THE CHANGE FROM 2.8 ACRES FROM BUSINESS COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL WITH NO WAIVERS I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE.

IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE PUD AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE AGENCY

MAY HAVE OF ME. >> MR. MATOVINA: YES, SIR, DR. HILSENBECK. HINCH I THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE FACT THAT THE LOT DOES SLOPE.

THESE TEN LOTS SLOPE COLLECTIVELY DOWN FROM SHORES DRIVE BECAUSE YOU DEFINITELY NOTICED THAT 8 TING FOOT DROP PD YOU HAD ON THAT ONE SLIDE 10 FEET.

THAT IS QUITE A STEEP DROP THERE ON THAT PROPERTY.

SO YOU ARE GOING TO BRING IN FILL.

ARE YOU PLANNING TO BRING THE LOTS UP LEVEL WITH THE ROADWAY AND THE SIDEWALK THAT'S ALONG THERE?

>> SPEAKER: I THINK THAT'S THE IDEA.

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FOR THE BUILDER AS WELL. >> DR. HILSENBECK: A STEM WALL

IN THE BACK OR THE FRONT? >> SPEAKER: AROUND THE

BUILDINGS FOOTPRINT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AROUND EACH

LOT OR THE WHOLE TEN LOTS? >> SPEAKER: WELL, IT COULD BE

FOR ALL TEN LOTS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

>> SPEAKER: ALTHOUGH ON THE SOUTH END YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE LIMITED BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THE ACCESS EASEMENT MEET THAT GRADE IN THE BACK, BUT IN THE FRONT THE ACCESS IS ALREADY THERE, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HAVING THAT DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE AND ESTABLISHING THE BUILDING WHERE IT WOULD NEED TO BE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: RIGHT. SIDEWALKS THERE AS WELL.

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO YOU'RE NOT WORRIED WITH DRAINAGE. THESE ARE VERY SANDY SOILS OUT THERE PRETTY MUCH THROUGHOUT THE ST. AUGUSTINE SHORES.

I WOULDN'T -- I THINK THE WATER WILL PERK DOWN IN THERE PRETTY FAST, BUT I ONCE LIVED IN A HOUSE THAT HAD A DON'T SLOPING DRIVEWAY AND IT WAS NOT THAT GREAT DURING THAT TORRENTIAL THUNDERSTORM, BUT I THINK THESE WILL BE ALL RIGHT.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU WERE GOING TO FILL UP TO THE ROAD

LEVEL OR WHAT. >> MR. MATOVINA: MS. ACEVEDO, YOU MENTIONED FRONT-LOADED HOUSES, BUT THESE -- NONE OF THESE HOUSES ARE -- NONE OF THESE GARAGES FACE THE STREET.

IS THAT RIGHT? >> SPEAKER: RIGHT.

SO LET ME GO BACK TO THIS ONE. >> MR. MATOVINA: WHAT DO YOU

MEAN BY FRONT-LOADED HOUSE? >> SPEAKER: IN THIS CASE WHAT I MEANT IS THE ONES WITH DIRECT ACCESS TO SHORES BOULEVARD.

SO FOR THESE FIRST SIX LOTS, THERE WOULD BE THREE SHARED DRIVEWAYS WHERE YOU COULD PULL IN.

YOU COULD HAVE YOUR HOUSE ALL THE WAY TO THE 25-FOOT SETBACK.

>> MR. MATOVINA: RIGHT. >> SPEAKER: BUT IF YOU WANTED A GARAGE, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THAT MORE OF LIKE A SIDE ENTRANCE OR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A 50 FOOTE SETBACK.

DWUNS IN THE BACK, YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR VEHICULAR ACCESS FROM

THE BACK. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

FRONT-LOADED TO ME MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU WERE DESCRIBING. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS?

>> WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD. DIRK SCHROEDER.

>> MR. MATOVINA: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD, SPIR. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON I'M DIRK SCHROEDER I LIVE AT 428 GALLARDO CIRCLE IN ST. AUGUSTINE SHORES. AS A POINT OF DISCLOSURE, I ALSO REPRESENT THE BUYER OF THE PROPERTY AND HAVE WORKED WITH THE DELTONA CORPORATION. THEY HAVE THE TWO OUTSIDE PARCELS, AND I'VE ALSO WORKED WITH MR. RODS WHO RODRIGUEZ WO IS THE IN VENEZUELA AND HE OWNS THE CENTER PARCEL.

SOMETIMES, AS YOU SAID BEFORE, SOMETIMES IT IS BETTER TO PUT SOME PARCELS TOGETHER AND CREATE SOMETHING NEW AND DIFFERENT.

YOU KNOW, THE PARCELS HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED PRIOR TO THE LANT USE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS IT WAS ADOPTED BACK IN 1989 HERE IN JDGES SO THIS IS A VERY OLD -- ST. JOHNS COUNTY, SO THIS IS A VERY OLD PUD, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE SOME VISIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK MIGHT BE A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD, AND HERE WE ARE 40, 50 YEARS LATER, AND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, WELL, WHAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN DRIVING PAST THIS PROPERTY EVERY DAY, I WOULD HATE TO SEE IT BEING DEVELOPED FOR COMMERCIAL. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE BEST PLACE FOR COMMERCIAL, ALTHOUGH ACROSS THE STREET YOU HAVE A MEMORY CARE FACILITY, SO IT'S NOT THE WORST PLACE.

BUT ON THAT PARTICULAR SIDE OF THE ROAD I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE CREATIVE AND BETTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IF YOU DID THREE INDIVIDUAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS HERE, THEY WOULD BE HIGHLY INTENSE AND THEY WOULD BE BACKING TO WHAT EVERYONE HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE SHORES AND I'M SURE SOME OF THE SPEAKERS THAT WILL COME UP BEHIND ME KNOW AS CANOPY SHORES PARK. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PARK.

AND THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT THE PROPERTY, MEANING REMOVAL OF TREES, EXCESS DRIVEWAYS, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, SO I THINK IT'S

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>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS?

>> I ONLY HAVE THE ONE. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY AT THIS POINT IN TIME FOR A MOTION.

WHAT'S YOUR NAME, MA'AM? [INAUDIBLE]

>> MR. MATOVINA: COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE.

I DIDN'T CATCH THAT NAME, SO BUT YOU CAN GIVE IT WHEN YOU GET UP

TO THE MICROPHONE. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS BARBARAAL CROWELL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ENT GUYS DON'T HAVE A CARD. I'VE NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF THE THESE MEETINGS BUT THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR CAUGHT MY EYE.

I LIVE AT 23 CALEDONIA COURT IN THE CONQUISTADOR CONDOMINIUM SO JUST RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, AND I, TOO, DRIVE BY THIS AREA EVERY TIME I LEAVE MY HOME. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT TURNED INTO -- I'M GOING TO BE VERY BLUNT ABOUT IT -- I REALLY WOULD PREFER TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY THE NEED FOR TEN HOUSES IS THERE.

IT'S NOT REALLY THAT LONG OF A STRETCH.

IT IS EXTREMELY A DEEP SLOPE, AND THE PARK THAT BACKS UP INTO IT ON A GOOD, YOU KNOW, RAINSTORM LIKE WE HAVE HAD THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, THAT WHOLE AREA THAT THEY WANT TO PUT TEN HOUSES IN GETS FILLED UP WITH WATER VERY QUICKLY, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DID THEIR HOMEWORK AND THEY PULLED UP THE MAPS AND WHATEVER WITH THE DRAINAGE ISSUES, BUT THAT WATER ISN'T JUST GOING TO GO IN THE BACK OF THE PARK.

IT'S GOING TO FLOOD OUT THAT WHOLE AREA.

SO I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO -- ALSO I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW DO THEY KNOW IT'S NOT A WETLAND? I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THAT'S A STUPID QUESTION OR NOT.

BUT JUST AS A NEIGHBOR AND A PERSON WHO LIVES THERE, I REALLY THINK THAT PUTTING THESE TEN HOUSES THERE, IT'S GOING CHANGE THE ENTIRE AESTHETIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THE REASON PEOPLE LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE SHORES IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE TREES. THE WAY THAT PEOPLE DEVELOP EVERYTHING THESE DAYS IS CLEAR CUT EVERYTHING.

SO TO ME I WOULD PREFER JUST TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS AND NOT DEVELOP IT. I WISH I HAD MORE SUPPORT,

BUT -- >> MR. MATOVINA: DID YOU

IDENTIFY HER CARD? >> NO, I DID NOT HAVE IT.

>> SPEAKER: I'M SORRY. I HANDED IT WILL TO THE LADY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHAT I WOULD ASK IS GET A FRESH ONE AND FILL YOU THE OUT AND HAND IT TO HER. THANK YOU FOR COMING UP AND

SPEAKING. >> SPEAKER: OKAY, THANKS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE ONE OTHER PERSON WHO WANTS TO

SPEAK? >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU GUYS FOR LIVING. I DAVE CARD.

MY NAME IS WEND HILL AND I LIVE AT 322 VALVERDE LANE HERE IN THE SHORES. I ACTUALLY WALK ALMOST EVERY DAY THIS PARCEL OF LAND ON MY DAILY WALK SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT MYSELF, TOO, AND I THINK SPEAKING TO THE DOCTOR, HE ACTUALLY SAID SOMETHING THAT I KNOW FROM FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I'VE WALKED DOWN THROUGH HERE LOOKING FOR THE WOODPECKERS AND WHATEVER. THIS SLOPES OFF TREMENDOUSLY, AND IF THEY HAD TO PUT FILL DIRT IN TO MAKE IT SOMEWHAT LEVEL, I DON'T KNOW SEE HOW THEY COULD DO IT WITHOUT PUTTING A RETAINING BALL WALLING TBHAWS THAT DISIRT GOING TO SWEEP UNDERNEATH AND IT GOES DOWNHILL. AND SINCE I DO WALK ALONG HERE I KNOW THAT CHRISTINA IS QUITE YOU HAD FLOOD WITH MUD ON THE ONE SIDEWALK BECAUSE THE RAIN FORCES IT DOWN.

SO I THINK THIS WOULD EXASPERATE IF THEY -- EXACERBATE IF THEY PUT A LOT OF FILL IN THERE WITH% NO WAY TO RETAIN THE WALLS.

ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS THOSE CONNECTORS WHICH I GUESS HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL EASEMENT.

I THINK THEY TALKED ABOUT IT IN THEIR PLAN, THAT IT HAS TO BE GRAVEL OR SOME KIND OTHER SURFACE.

I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY'RE NOT MAKING IT LIKE SOME KIND OF PERMANENT SURFACE, AND THEY DO SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE I GUESS HOMEOWNERS TO FIGHT IT OUT WHENEVER ANY KIND OF MAINTENANCE HAS TO BE DONE TO THIS.

AND DO WE HAVE -- AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER -- DO WE HAVE ANY SHARED DRIVEWAYS IN SHORES CURRENTLY? NO? NOBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER OR -- THIS WILL BE SOMETHING I GUESS DISPIRCHGHTS I GUESS THAT'S OKAY AND EVERYTHING P. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT IS THE LIFT STATION, THE 1600 SQUARE FOOT LIFT STATION WHICH I THINK IS FOR SEWAGE.

I COULDN'T FIND IT IN ANY OF THEIR DOCUMENTATION WHO MANAGES

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MA'AM. >> AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'VE NEVER BEEN HERE BEFORE, AS YOU CAN TELL.

E SOW I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHAT IF IT FAILS WHOB PAYS FOR IT, WHO FIXES IT. I GUESS IT'S THE SAME WAY WITH THE SHARED DRIVEWAYS WHERE THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO WORK IT OUT THEMSELVES. AND ALSO, WITH ON THESE CONNECTOR ROADS HERE, WOULD THE FOLKS IN THE HOMES BE PUTTING ALL THEIR RECYCLABLES AND TRASH OUT ON THE CONNECTORS ROARED OR NOT BACK IN, RIGHT? CONNECTOR ROAD? I GUESS THE LADY WHO IS GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. AND I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING.

I MENTIONS OFF-STREET PARKING BUT I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT'S DESIGNATED HERE. I DO LIVE IN THE SHORES, LIKE I SAID. LIVE IN ONE OF THE SMALL COMMUNITIES AND TUSCANY AND WE'RE NOT ON SHORES BOULEVARD.

BUT MOST OF THE HOMES IN THERE, A LOT OF THEM, THEY HAVE SO MUCH STUFF IN THEIR GRAWRNLINGS THAT GARAGES THAT MOST PEOPLE PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS, AND SOME OF THEM ARE PARKING ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY CARS. THIS TALKS WITH TWO -- MY TIME'S UP. THIS TALKS ABOUT TWO CARS PER HOUSE, SO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT HOW OFF-STREET PARKING THANK YOU. I TOOK UP TOO MUCH TIME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? MA'AM, WOULD YOU FILL OUT A CARD.

>> YES, I WILL. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

SEEING NO OTHER PACKERS SPEAKERS WITNESS MS. ACEVEDO, DO YOU WANT

SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. >> SPEAKER: YES.

I'LL TRY TO HIT ON EACH THOSE POINTS.

ALL GOOD QUESTIONS. FIRST, ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, WE'RE STILL EARLY IN ENGINEERING, BUT WE DO HAVE A CAVEAT THAT SHOULD THIS NOT FUNCTION OR BE ENOUGH TO KEEP US DRY RETENTION, THE OWN ONUS WOULD BE ON US TO DON ACTUAL STORM WATER POND, SO THE ENGINEERING WILL HAVE TO MAIPT AND WORK SO WE DON'T HAVE THOSE OFF-SITE IMPACTS FROM THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.

WE DID DO A ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT TO LOOK FOR WET NDLE ON SITE. WE DID NOT IDENTIFY WETLANDS ON THIS PROPERTY, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME ON THE OPEN SPACE TRACT THAT'S IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE A SMALL PART OF THE REQUIRED 25-FOOT UPLAND BUFFER THAT CLIPS INTO THIS PROPERTY, SO THAT'S WHAT THIS DASHED LINE IS, WHICH MEANS WE CANNOT HAVE ANY STRUCTURES OR IMPACTS TO THAT, AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE THE POND KIND OF RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT LINE.

THE OTHER DASHED LINE IS THE 25-FOOT BUILDING SETBACK THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE 25-FOOT BUFFER, AND THAT AGAIN DOES NOT HAVE ANY BUILDINGS. IT WOULD BE PART OF THAT OPEN SPACE AREA. IN TERMS OF -- LET'S SEE -- STABILIZED SURFACE, IT DOES HAVE TO MEET THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN TERMS OF OF STABILIZATION AND DESIGN PERIMETERS WE'VE PUT GRAVEL OR EQUIVALENT, SO IT COULD BE A VARIETY OF SUBSTANCES THAT HAVE THAT STABILIZATION THAT'S REQUIRED FOR A FIRE EMERGENCY VEHICLE.

AND AS FAR AS THE SHARED DRIVEWAYS, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER SHARED DRIVEWAYS WITHIN THIS PUD.

IN OUR CASE IT WAS MORE OF A CREATIVE STRATEGY IN ORDER TO HAVE FEWER DIRECT ACCESS POINTS, WHICH WAS AGAIN A CONCERN OF STAFF TO WORK THROUGH EARLY ON, SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE PLANNING IT THAT WAY. AND WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TWO, THRENGTD OF TWO CARS FOR -- LEBLGHTSDZ OF LENGTH OS FOR BOTH THE DRIVEWAY FOR BOTH HOUSES THAT ARE SHARED, SO DRIVEWAY SPACE, MORINELLO LIKELY GARAGE SPACE AS WELL TO MEET THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENT OF TWO PER HOME.

AND THE LIFT STATION IS PRIVATE.

IT WILL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPER TO BUILD.

WE HAVE PLANNED IT HERE, AND IT APPEARS THAT THAT'LL BE A GOOD DISTANCE TO CONNECT INTO THE UTILITY SYSTEM.

AND TRASH, I WOULD IMAGINE WOULD BE ALONG SHORES BOULEVARD SINCE THAT WOULD BE THE PUBLIC ACCESS POINT.

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>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MS. AS VADEO.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SHANNON, I HAVE ONE QUESTION OF YOU ACTUALLY.

I WILL CONFIRM THAT -- AND I'M A BIOLOGIST/ECOLOGIES -- THAT THERE ARE NO WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY.

IT IS AN UPLAND MIXED PINE/OAK FOREST COMMUNITY TYPE, BUT YOU STATED IN THERE CONCERNING MUNICIPAL WATER AND SEWER, YOU SAID THE HOUSES WILL BE ON THE MUNICIPAL WATER, BUT THEN YOU SAID SEWER CAN BE MADE AVAILABLE.

THAT WAS JUST KIND OF LEPT OPEN-ENDED.

ALL THE HOUSES WILL BE ON MUNICIPAL SEWER AS WELL?

>> SPEAKER: YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THANKS. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OF MS. ACEVEDO.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHO HAS ONE MORE QUESTION? NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER TIME FOR THE PUBLIC.

THAT WAS A TIME TO SPEAK. YOU CAN CHECK WITH STAFF AFTERWARDS OR WITH MS. ACEVEDO AND SHE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. BACK INTO THE AGENCY.

>> SPEAKER: CAN I JUST MAKE A COMMENT?

>> MR. MATOVINA: YES. >> SPEAKER: SHANNON, YOUR APPLICATION, I THINK IT'S GREAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS COMPATIBLE IN THE AREA. I MAY BE ALONE IN THAT THINKING, BUT HAVING THREE SHARED DRIVEWAYS ON THAT MAJOR COLLECTOR ROAD AND THEN GETTING RID OF THE BUFFER REQUIREMENT IS JUST -- I JUST DO NOT THINK IT FITS IN THE AREA, SO I'M SORRY BUT I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE A MOTION? THIS ITEM IS GOING TO DIE FOR A LACK OF A MOTION.

>> MS. PERKINS: I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

>> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND DEFINITELY MAJOR MOD 2020-11 CANOPY BASED UPON SEVEN FINDINGS OF STAFF AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL BY MS. PERKINS. IS THERE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. PIERRE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

NOW, A YES VOTE IS TO DENY THIS APPLICATION.

A NO VOTE IS TO APPROVE IT. MS. ACEVEDO, THAT MOTION TO

[6. MAJMOD 2021-04 Victoria Crossing.]

SO MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER 6, MR. FREEMAN.

>> AND GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS MATT LAWSUIT WELL GULFSTREAM DESIGN YIEWP 906 ANASTASIA BOULEVARD. WE'RE THE ENGINEERING OF FOR THE

RECORD PROJECT. >> MR. MATOVINA: WOULD YOU COULD YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT AND MORE INTO THAT MICROPHONE.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. I'M IF ENGINEER OF RECORD 4 PROJECT AND I'LL BE GIVING THE PRESENTATION TODAY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO AN EXISTING PUD. MODIFICATION TO AN EXISTING PUD WITHIN THE MIXED USE LAND USE DISTRICTS.

THIS REQUEST IS AN INITIATIVE TO SUPPORT THE HOUSING AS DONE IN 2015-24. THIS PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED TO THE WEST OF WILDWOOD DRIVE OFF 207.

DIRECT ACCESS WOULD BE OFF OF STATE ROAD 207 FOR THE REGION.

PROJECT. AS I MENTIONED, IT'S A MIXED USE LAND USE EXISTING PUD. THE SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY CLEARED. IT WAS AND IS NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SITE OF HOME AGAIN ST. JOHNS.

THERE'S A FEW MODULAR BUILDINGS OUT THERE NOW.

THE SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IN 2015, INCLUDING FIVE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND ABOUT 51,000 SQUARE FEET. MOST OF THESE WERE REALLY SMALL UNITS, 250 TO 350 SQUARE FEET EACH WITH A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 35 FEET. TWO SUPPORT BUILDINGS WERE ALSO WITHIN THE PREVIOUSLY PROVED PUD, RECREATION SPACE AND WAIVERS FOR A PARKING REDUCTION, AS WELL AS A FENCE HEIGHTINGS ADDITIONAL 6-FOOT, 2 FEET OVER THE CODE.

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THE MDP PLAN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 96 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS THAT'LL BE IN FOUR BUILDINGS WITH ABOUT 121,000 SQUARE FEET OF TOTAL FLOOR AREA.

THIS WILL BE A MIXED OF ONE, TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS, MUCH LARGER UNITS, 105 TO NEARLY 12,000 SQUARE FEET.

MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT WILL BE UP TO 24 FEET TO ACCOMMODATED THREE LIVING STRUCTURES, THREE LIVING NORSE.

THERE WILL BE ONE SUPPORT CLUBHOUSE, ABOUT 5800 SQUARE FEET. AS YOU CAN SEE ON OUR PROPOSED MDP MAP WE HAVE THE FOUR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS THERE CENTERED AROUND A COMMON PARKING AREA.

WE HAVE A LITTLE BUS DROP AT THE ENTRYWAY THERE, AND OUR LIFT STATION IS AT THE VERY FRONT OF THE PROJECT.

WE'RE PROPOSING TO FENCE THE SITE, REALLY MINIMAL BUFFER IMPLANTS. THEY'LL ALL BE REPLANED FOR BUFFER BANKS. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY WETLAND IMPACTS TO THE SITE. TYPICAL RETENTION FOR THE STORM WATER. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING STAFF HAS RECEIVED SOME DPROARNS HOME AGAIN ST. JOHNS REGARDING THE PROJECT. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE OF WHAT THAT IS BUT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE MAJOR MOD 2021-04.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DECLARE? HINCH YES. I VISITED THE SITE.

>> I LIKEWISE DROVE BY THE PROPERTY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE

APPLICANT? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAVE ONE MAIN ONE, AN INITIAL MINOR QUESTION WAS THE INITIAL PLAN.

YOU REALLY HAD TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS THAT WERE 350 SQUARE FEET? THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL LAN? PNCHTS EVER.

>> AND I WAS NOT A PART OF THAT APPLICATION BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE APPROVED PUD TEXT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I THINK THE ONES YOU ARE PLANNING IS A LITTLE BETTER IF THEY ARE AFFORDABLE, AND THAT BRINGS ME TO THE SECOND QUESTION UP. SAID THAT THIS PROJECT MAY INCLUDE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT INCLUDE, DEFINITELY INCLUDE SOME TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.

THERE'S STILL A HOMELESS PROBLEM IN THE COUNTY, AND SO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS GREAT. I'M ALL FOR IT AND I'LL PROBABLY VOTE FOR THIS ANY WAY, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT HAVE SOME TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AS PART OF THIS.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCTION IN PARKING SPACES BECAUSE MANY HOMELESS DON'T HAVE CARS. YOU'VE GOT THE US.

STOP THAT YOU MENTIONED AND ALL THAT.

I'D REALLY PREFER THAT, SO IF YA'LL COULD COMMIT TO THAT, THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. MR. PIERRE.

>> IMRERP I ALSO HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS.

I THINK THE ORIGINAL MOTION SAYS THAT IT'S FOR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING OF HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS OR HOMELESS FAMILIES, AND THE CHANGE NOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR ONE, TWO AND THREE BEDROOM APARTMENTS THAT MAY INCLUDE. I'D LIKE TO KNOW, DID WE SOLVE THE HOMELESS ISSUE AND WHAT DATA WE ARE USING TO -- WHY WE ARE MODIFYING IT. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT CHANGE

ALSO. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

DR. MCCORMICK. >> DR. MCCORMICK: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO SECOND WHAT DR. HILSENBECK SAID IN TERMS OF THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE AND THE CHANGES IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSAL IS AS COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS ONE WHICH NEVER WAS A PROVED AT APPROVED ADD AL.

IF YOU WERE STATING HERE THAT, YES, THE PLAN IS, IS TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS PROPOSAL OR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, THEN I WOULD BE ALL FOR IT IN TERMS OF VOTING FOR IT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO COME BACK UP AND ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ITEMS? MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT IN CONNECTION WITH ADDRESSING THEM YOU MIGHT START WITH TELLING US WHAT INCOME LEVELS YOU'RE TARGETING. THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS MICHAEL HARTMAN.

I'M WITH TURNSTONE DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPER.

I LIVE AT 8914 PART A DEL RIO DRIVE NUMBER 30 THREE, CAPE

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NOW, DOWN THE STREET FROM US ABOUT A MILE EAST THERE WAS A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT OPENED IN 2020.

OUR MAXIMUMS RENTS WILL BE 48% OF THE RENTS BEING CHARGED AT THAT MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT, SO -- AND ACTUALLY OUR ONE BEDROOM UNITS ARE BIGGER THAN THEIR ONE BEDROOM UNITS, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKFORCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE COUNTY GOOD VALUE.

WE WANT TO HELP. WE'VE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY ON THIS EXTENSIVELY. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE SOCIAL SERVICES ON-SITE. WE HAVE AN OFFICE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DEDICATE TO THE COUNTY THAT THE COUNTY WILL BE ABLE TO USE TO PROVIDE SERVICES ON THE SITE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WHOLE GAMUT.

TURNSTONE IS A NON-PROFIT ITSELF.

WE'VE BEEN A NON-PROFIT SINCE 1998.

OUR MISSION IS TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE AND IN ILLINOIS, AND WE HAVE DEVELOPED ABOUT 1800 UNITS AND WE HAVE SOCIAL SERVICES AT EVERY ONE OF OUR PROPERTIES.

SO THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: LET ME FOLLOW UP WITH ONE YES, SIR. THE RENTS WILL BE SET AND NOT INCOME-BASED. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID?

>> SPEAKER: NO. THE RENTS WILL BE BASED ON INCOME, BUT IT'S 30% OF 60% AREA MEDIAN INCOME, SO IF I GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THE 30% AMI BEDROOM WENT IS $294 A MONTH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: THE 60% IS ONLY $715. DOWN THE ROAD I BELIEVE THEY'RE AT ALMOST DOUBLE THAT FOR THE MARKET RATE MANCH SO JUST TO REITERATE FOR THE OTHER MEMBERS HERE, I THINK WHAT HE JUST SAID IS THEY HAVE AN APPLICANT AT 30% OF AMI, THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE

HIM $294, IS THAT CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: CORRECT.

ON I TWO BEDROOM IT WOULD BE LIKE $328.

SO VERY LOW. >> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

>> YES. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IT MAY INCLUDE HOMELESS. THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

>> SPEAKER: THE HOME IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE SOCIAL SERVICE CONTINUES UM THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON WITH THE COUNTY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THIS IS NOT A QUESTION FOR YOU NECESSARILY, BUT IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A LETTER FROM HOME AGAIN ST. AUGUSTINE, AND I KNOW THAT'S A GOOD GROUP, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT LETTER SAID. I HAVE NOT SEEN IT.

SO CAN ANYONE TELL US WHAT'S IN THAT LETTER? PLEASE. MANCH MR. PIERRE, I'M ACTUALLY VERY FAMILIAR WITH BUILDING HOUSING FOR HOMELESS, AND THE 30% AMI GROUP IS THE GROUP THAT THEY FALL IN.

>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS ADDRESSED BECAUSE THE MAJOR -- THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS FOR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES, AND NOW WE'RE SAYING MAY AND THAT "MAY" KIND OF BOTHERS ME. MAY IS NOT A GUARANTEE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: NO PRESSURE, TREESA.

NOBODY IS LOOKING AT YOU. >> I WAS LOOKING FOR THE LETTER THAT WAS MENTIONED, AND I DON'T SEE THE LETTER IN THE PACKAGE NOR DO I SEE IT AS A HANDOUT HERE, SO I DON'T HAVE THE LETTER

EITHER. >> MR. MATOVINA: IF WE DEFERRED THIS ITEM AND WENT TO THE NEXT ITEM, DO YOU THINK WE

COULD GET IT HERE? >> WE CAN TRY TO FIND IT, YES,

SIR. >> MR. MATOVINA: I'M SORRY, GENTLEMEN, TO MAKE YOU SIT FOR A MINUTE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM AND THEN WE'LL PICK UP HERE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE NOT DEFERRING YOU TO THE NEXT MEETING. WE'RE JUST MAKING YOU TAKE A LITTLE COFFEE BREAK. THAT'S ALL.

SO -- >> SIR.

WHAT ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT? >> MR. MATOVINA: WOULD YOU

LIKE TO DO THAT NOW? >> YES, SIRE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS?

>> WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER CARD, B.D. BE.

>> B.G. CLAID, 8 NEW COME STREET.

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THIS NON-PROFIT DEVELOPER HAS BEEN NEGOTIATE WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY SINCE DEPARTMENT 30, 2020, 11 MONTHS, TO PURCHASE 1850 STATE ROAD 207. CBDFBDL SPHRAS CROIRS FUNDS HUD, 13.9 MILLION BOND THROUGH FHA HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY WOULD PERMIT THESE APARTMENTS. HOW MUCH WILL THIS NON-PROFIT PAY TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY? TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.

AT THE MARCH 16, 2021 BCC, THE AMOUNT S AMOUNT WAS 600,000 PAPPEDZ NON-PROFITS WILL SATURN TORINO AND VAWCIALGHT CROSSING PAY PROPERTY TAXES AS THE 1850 STATE ROAD 207? THE TWENTY 15 PUD WITH SALVATION ARMY AND HOME AGAIN FAIL TO MEET THE HOMELESS NEEDS. THEY TRIED.

THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION SHOULD ONLY GO TO THE BCC WITH THESE CHANGES. PAGE 41 AND 42 HAVE YOUR PACKET. THE USE OF "MAY" MUST BE CHANGED TO "WILL." EXHIBIT B MDP,T, DEAFERLT THEIR DISCRETION CAN PROVIDE TRANSITIONAL WORKFORCE OR AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS. THIS NONPROFIT WILL BE USING CBDRF DPVMENT FUNDS, THEREFORE THE PLAN SHOULD CLEARLY STATE THE NON-PROFIT WILL PROVIDE ONE, TWO AND THREE BEDROOM AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS USING THE INTERCHANGING TERMS OF WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE IS NOT GOING TO GET YOU AFFORDABLE.

A CORRECTED INCOME AND EXPENSE SHEET SHOWING THE RENT THAT THE MAN TALKED ABOUT FOR THESE MUST BE PROVIDED.

THE SOCIAL ASSISTANTS OFFICE, WHICH IS THE SOCIAL ASSISTANCE OFFICE, WHICH IS THE BUILDING IN THE FRONT, NOT FOR THE FOR THE APARTMENT RENTERS, SOCIAL ASSISTANCE OFFICE AND EMERGENCY SHELTER ARE REQUIRED FOR THE CBDFDR TAX DOLLARS, AS BEST I UNDERSTOOD IN READING ALL THIS STUFF SINCE THE 20TH, 2020.

FINDINGS OF FACT. TO DENY MOODGED IS NUMBER 6.

IT'S NOTE COMPATIBLE. AND NUMBER 7, IT CAN DO WHAT 2015 PUD STATED. YOU JUST DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT IN THERE. THEY CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT AFFORDABLE AND THE ONED -- I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. THEY TOLD ME IN MARCH OF 2021 BECAUSE I ASKED THAT GENTLEMAN, IT'S GOING TO BE $800.

SO YOU'VE GOT IN YOUR PACKET THERE A LIST, AND BEFORE YOU GO TO APPROVE THIS, IT NEEDS TO BE MORE SPECIFIC TO TAKE CARE OF THE HOMELESS, AND IT'S NOT DOING THAT IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY'VE GIVEN YOU TODAY. WE NEED TO GO BACK AND GET SOMETHING IN WRITING, NOT JUST WHAT MR. REECE IS GOING GIVE BUS THE HOME AGAIN. AND WHO IS GOING TO BE RUNNING THAT? ARE WE GOING TO BE RUNNING IT, THE COUNTY? DOES SOCIAL SERVICES IN THAT OFFICE? ARE WE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THOSE STAFF? IT'S NOTE CLEAR.

THIS IS A PRESENTATION THAT'S JUST TO GO AFTER THAT MONEY, AND I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE MONEY, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S AFFORDABLE AND THE HOMELESS CANNOT AFFORD A $200, EVEN A $300 APARTMENT. I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THEM.

THAT CAN DO IT. WE'RE MANY CAKING AROUND OYSTER CREEK SO THAT'S A TER I LIVE IN.

BUT I DON'T THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE PASSED TODAY.

WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. HAVE WE FOUND THE LETTER?

>> NO. MR. CHAIR, LET ME COMMENT ON THE LETTER. I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT AND I HAD A DISCUSSION -- AND THE PLAN THEY'RE WORKED ON THIS APPLICATION, AND WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A LETTER. WE BELIEVE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT OCCURRED BETWEEN HOME AGAIN AND IF THE APPLICANT BUT THERE'S NOT AN ACTUAL LETTER THAT WE ARE AWARE

OF THAT HAS COME ABOUT. >> MR. MATOVINA: I DIDN'T KNOW ANY DETAILS BEHIND THAT BUT KNOWING YOU AND HOW GOOD YOU ARE WITH DETAILS, I WAS PRETTY SURE THAT WAS THE CASE, TERESA, SO

THANK YOU. >> CHAIR, MAY I MAKE A PUBLIC

COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? >> MR. MATOVINA: AS LONG AS YOU FOLLOW IT A CARD AFTERWARDS.

>> I'M TOM INGRAM OFFICE AT 233 EAST BAY STREET SUITE 113 JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, AND I DO, I'M A LAND USE ATTORNEY AND I DO WORK WELL DEVELOPERS OF FOORNG HOUSING PROJECTS.

I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE LAWS CONCERNING THEM.

IN MY UNDERSTANDING, AS WELL AS THE GRANT PROGRAMS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT A PROJECT LIKE THE ONE THAT TURNSTONE HAS PROPOSED HERE IS ONE THAT INVOLVES A COMPETITIVE GRANT FOR PUBLIC DOLLARS INTENDED TO PROVIDE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO MY UNDERSTANDING STHEF EVERY

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THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CONTROVERSY AND LITIGATION CONCERNING ATTEMPTS TO BASICALLY DO THE MIRROR IMAGE TO PREVENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FROM GOING INTO CERTAIN PLACES, AND IT HAS LONG BEEN THE PROVINCE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO NOT TRY TO REGULATE RENTS THROUGH ZONING BECAUSE IT CAN BE A PROKDZY PROXY FOR OTHER PURPOSES AS RECOGNIZED BY THE COURTS.

FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A LOT OF LITIGATION.

MANY YEARS AGO WHERE PEOPLE OPPOSED PROJECTS BECAUSE IT WAS HUD HOUSING. AND THAT WAS SOUNDLY REJECTED AS BEING DISCRIMINATORY UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT.

SO BY THE SAME TOKEN, I THINK THE PROJECT IS INTENDED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION PROVIDED. I JUST DISCOURAGE YOU FROM TRYING TO MANDATE THIS SITE'S MARKET RATE, THIS IS AFFORDABLE, THIS IS TRANSITIONAL. IT'S REALLY -- IT'S NOT THE PLACE FOR IT. I THINK -- I PERSONALLY SUPPORT THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WELL, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING IS BECAUSE WE'VE PASSED SEVERAL ITEMS UP HERE CONCERNING THAT, AND SO HAS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

I GUESS I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND TRAININGSAL HOUSING.

I KNOW THAT'S FOR THE HOMELESSNESS.

DOES TRANSITIONAL HOUSING REQUIRE PAYMENT OR IS THAT BASICALLY A SOCIAL SERVICE TYPE HOUSING? CAN SOMEBODY ANSWER THAT QUESTION? AND DEPENDING ON THE ANSWER, I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE THAT IT MAY INCLUDE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING TO IT WILL INCLUDE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.

AND I I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR APARTMENTS WOULD FALL INTO THAT, BUT, SAY I. SAY, 5 TO 10 PERCENT ANYWAY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND STILL MAKE IT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR YOU TO DO THIS SINCE THERE'S APPARENTLY A LOT OF PUBLIC MONEY

INVOLVED. >> SPEAKER: YES.

AND WE ARE TRYING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE AS DICTATED BY THE COUNTY UNDER THOSE DOCUMENTS.

ONE THING WE CAN'T DO UNDER FAIR HOUSING, I DON'T THINK, IS DESIGNATE THINGS FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE TO THE EXCLUSION OF OTHERS. YOU HAVE TO -- IF SOMEBODY QUALIFIES AND THE INCOME LIMITS WILL BE DICTATED.

THERE WILL BE TWO LAND USE RESTRICTIONS AGREEMENTS ON THIS PROPERTY. ONE WILL BE WITH THE COUNTY FOR THE CDBG MONEY. THAT WILL SAY THAT 100% OF THE UNITS HAVE TO BE AT 60% OF AMI FOR 40 YEARS.

THERE IS A SECOND ONE BECAUSE WE ARE USING COUNTY TAX EXEMPT BONDS, AND THAT ONE WILL ALSO SAY THAT 100% OF THE UNITS WILL BE AT 60% OR LESS AMI FOR 40 YEARS.

SO BOTH OF THOSE DOCUMENTS WILL ENSURE, AND IT WILL BE RECORDED AGAINST THE PROPERTY, THAT THE PROPERTY FOR 40 YEARS WILL

REMAIN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> DR. HILSENBECK: BUT HOW ABOUT TRANSITIONAL A HOUSING? THE DEFINITION OF THAT .

>> SPEAKER: WE'RE DOING A DEVELOPMENT.

YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TRANSITIONAL HOUSING OF THE HOMELESS. WE'RE DOING A DEVELOPMENT OVER IN LAKELAND RIGHT NOW WHICH IS 50% HOMELESS, AND IN THAT CASE WHAT WE ARE FINDING IS THERE'S ALSO A HOMELESS POPULATION THAT IS LIVING IN HOTELS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO LIVE, SO IN THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT WE'RE CHARGING THE NORMAL 60% AMI RENT BUT THESE ARE HOMELESS PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO JUST FIND A PLACE TO LIVE.

THEY'VE GONE THROUGH A PROCESS OF GETTING TO WHERE THEY HAVE -- YOU KNOW, THEY'VE SECURED EMPLOYMENT BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A HOME YET, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE, AND I SEE THAT HERE, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR 30% UNITS, THAT WE CAN DO THAT, BUT THE TAX EXEMPT BONDS AND THE TAX CREDITS THAT GO WITH THEM ARE GOVERNED BY FAIR HOUSING, SO IF ANYBODY MEETS THE INCOME LIMITS, WHETHER THEY'RE HOMELESS, WHETHER THEY'RE WORKING, NOT WORKING, WHATEVER, IF THEY MEET THE INCOME LIMITS, THEN WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THEM OR ELSE WE WILL BE IN VIOLATION OF

FAIR HOUSING POLICY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I THINK THAT WAS CLEAR EARLIER BUT I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO YOU SAID 60% LEVEL FOR 40 YEARS.

YOU ALSO MENTIONED THIS 30% THRESHOLD.

>> SPEAKER: CORRECT. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE SETTING A GOAL, WE'RE SERVING 10% OF THE UNITS AT 30%. ORIGINALLY WE TRIED TO DO 15%.

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BUT TO DO THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH SOURCES.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING 10% OF THE UNITS AT 30%, THE REMAINDER AT 60%. AND WE'RE STILL PUTTING IN OVER $600,000 BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY OF OUR DEVER DEVELOPER FEES THAT WILL COME ON US. WE'RE PUTTING IT BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: FORGIVE ME FOR BEING A BIT DENSE TODAY BUT IF THIS WERE ITS ORIGINAL PLAN FOR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, WHAT WOULD THE CLIENTS PAY TO LIVE THERE?

>> SPEAKER: IF IT WAS TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, I WOULD DOUBT THAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED BECAUSE WE DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE'RE SERVING PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE MIDDLE. WE HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO NEED HOUSING THAT CAN'T AFFORD IT AT ALL.

THAT'S PRIMARILY HUD. UP HERE YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT CAN PAY $1,500 A UNIT FOR A ONE BEDROOM.

AND THE MIDDLE YOU'VE GOT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING BUT CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY $1,500 A MONTH BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING $40,000 A YEAR FOR A FAMILY OF THREE. SO THAT'S ALL THEY CAN AFFORD.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SERVE HERE.

THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY ASKED US TO SERVE HERE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY BID ON THIS. WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS SINCE MARCH OF 2020 WORKING ON THIS WITH THE COUNTY TO MAKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MAY I ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THIS,

DR. HILSENBECK? >> DR. HILSENBECK: PLEASE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHERE I'M COMING FROM ON THIS JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT IS I HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD OF ABILITY HOUSING FORE TEN YEARS AND I WAS THE CHAIR FOR SEVEN YEARS, AND ABILITY HOUSING SERVES THE 60% AMI LEVEL AND LESS WITH A FOCUS ON THE HOMELESS.

TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IS NOT THE PROVIDE FOR HOMELESS ANY LONGER. THE HUD MOLD AND THE NATIONAL MOLD IS CALLED HOUSING FIRST. TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IS WHERE YOU PUT SOMEBODY IN A SHELTER AND THEY ONLY HAVE A SHORT TIME FRAME TO BE IN THAT SHELTER AND TO GET THEIR LIFE IN ORDER, AND YOU BRING THE SERVICES IN, AND IN A SHORT TIME FRAME YOU TRY TO GET THEIR LIVES IN ORDER. THEY DON'T NORMALLY PAY.

HOUSING FIRST MODEL SAYS, NO, THAT MODEL DOES NOT WORK.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO TAKE THEM OFF THE STREETS AND GIVE THEM A HOME TO LIVE IN, AND AS LONG AS THEY COMPLY TWHER LEASE AGREEMENT AND PAY 30% OF THEIR INCOME IN PRESENT, THEY CAN LIVE THERE AS LONG AS THEY WANT.

THEY CAN LIVE THERE THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

AND I CAN TAKE YOU TO A PLACE THAT IS 100% 30% AMI ON THE WEST SIDE OF JACKSONVILLE THAT ABILITY HOUSING BUILT, FILLED IT UP IN TEN DAYS AND IT HAS BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL.

SO THE MODEL OF TRANSITIONAL HOUSING DOES NO REALLY WORK.

ABILITY HOUSING WORKED ON THIS SITE, QUITE FRANKLY, IN CONNECTION WITH HOME ALONE AND WAS NEVER ABLE TO BRING IT TO FRUITION FOR THAT REASON. IT'S IN THE WRONG PLACE.

IT'S TOO FAR FROM DOWNTOWN. AND IT ISN'T REALLY THE MODEL THAT IS USED THESE DAYS. SO WHAT I THINK MAY HAPPEN HERE IS THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO FILL THIS PLACE UP, AND IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND THEY ARE -- THEY CAN PAY THE $290, WHICH HOMELESS PEOPLE CAN PAY THAT MUCH. YOU SAY HOW CAN A HOMELESS PERSON PAY ANYTHING? EVEN A HOMELESS PERSON WHO CAN'T WORK, WHO IS DISABLED GETS AN SSDI CHECK.

IF THEY'RE GETTING IT, QUITE OFTEN THEY'RE NOT GETTING IT BECAUSE THEY NEED THE SERVICES BROUGHT IN SO THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND THEN GET THE CHECK.

SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEE WITH WHAT HE'S SIGHING HERE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO -- SAYING HERE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO THE 30% LEVEL BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE ALL 50 AND 60 PERCENT APPLICANTS BUT IF HE HAS 30 PERCENT APPLICANT I'M PRETTY STHEARN GOING TO WORK TO GET THEM IN THAT PLACE.

AND SOMETIMES THE WAY YOU MAKE IT WORK IS THE APPLICANT IS NOT GETTING SSI TODAY BUT YOU'RE CONFIDENT YOU CAN GET HIM THAT LEVEL, AND SO YOU USE SOME OTHER FUNDING SOURCE TO PAY HIS RENT FOR THREE MONTHS WHILE YOU'RE WAITING ON HIS SSDI.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HELPFUL OR NOT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT I WAS GREAT ANSWER.

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WELL, IT APPEARS TO ME THERE'S AIRLINE IS NEED FOR AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING, AND I HOPE THERE'S SOME OTHER MECHANISMS TO TAKE CARE OF OUT-AND-OUT HOMELESS PEOPLE ATLANTA GETTING THE SUP SUPPLEMENTAL INCOME, BUT I GUESS YOUR OUTFIT, YOUR NON-PROFIT WILL HELP THEM APPLY FOR THAT.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S WHY WE PUT IN EVERY ONE OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS HAS A SOCIAL SERVICES OFFICE, AND WE HAVE MET WITH THE COUNTY, AND WE'RE GOING BRING ALL THE SERVICES OF THE COUNTY TO BEAR ON THE PROPERTY.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR MOD 2021-04 VICTORIA CROSSING BASED

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>> MR. MATOVINA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

THAT MOTION PASSES 6-0. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, FOR HELPING TO IMPROVE STAWDGES. ST.JOHNS COUNTY.

LET'S MOVE ON TO MR. INGRAM. SMNCHTS.

>> SPEAKER: CAN I GET MY MOUR POINT?

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHICH THIS IS A LAND USE CHANGE SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE SPART COMMUNICATION HERE, IS THAT RIGHT ?

>> SPEAKER: MR. MAT VEEN, A THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO ADDRESS ITEM 7 AND 8. 8 IS EX PARTE, SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION AND HAVE

DISCLOSURE. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO ANY

EX PARTE ON 7 AND 8? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I BRAVO HAVE DROVE OUT TO THE PROPERTY. I ALSO DROVE THROUGH MURABELLA LOOKING AT A ON ROBELO AND SOME OTHER STREETS OUT THERE.

I TRIED TO DRIVE DOWN WHAT WAS CALLED VILLAGE PARK, VILLAGE PARK DRIVE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED ON THE MAP AND SO FORTH, ABOUT IT FOUND THAT DIDN'T EXIST, SO THERE WAS JUST A DIRT -- IT WASN'T EVEN A DIRT ROAD -- AS IT WAS SORT OF GRASSED OVER AG ROAD BUT YOU HAD TO CROSS A WETBLED SWALE IS DUCK REED GROWING IN IT AND I WASN'T GOING TO TRY TO DRIVE MY VEHICLE ACROSS THAT DEEP SWALE. SO DID I SEE IT.

THANK YOU. NAINCHTS OTHER EX PARTE COMMUNICATION? ALL RIGHT.

TOM, YOU'RE READY TO GO. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

TOM INGRAM WITH SODL AND INGRAM TUITE 113 JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA AND WITH ME TODAY IS BETH BREEDING OF SUNSHINE LAND HOLDINGS AND THE SILVERFIELD GROUP AS WELL AS BILL WARE WITH-HARD RELATE REALITY. MR. WARE IS WITH A COMPANY THAT IS THE CONTRACT PURCHASER OF THIS SITE AND THEIR BUSINESS IS IN MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS THE SITE.

IT'S LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY, PA AT THE PACETTI ROAD ANDE ROAD ROAD 16.

IT'S MERE THE SHOPS AND MUR BELLOW IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA. THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ENTITLED FOR 330 SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL USES.

IT'S ABOUT 33.29 ACRES. THE NORTHERLY 19.8S ACRES ARE CURRENTLY WITH A MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION, AND THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 13.49 ACRES TO THE SOUTH THAT IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL B. THERE ARE TWO APPLICATIONS BEFORE YOU. THE FIRST IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF 9.3 ACRES OF THE RESIDENTIAL B AREA TO MIXED USE LIKE THE REST. WITH THE CHANGE THERE WOULD BE 29.73 ACRES OF MIXED USE AND 3.56 ACRES OF RES-B.

IT IS CURRENTLY ENTITLED FOR 330 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL USES, WHICH IT'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS, HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL, NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL, GENERAL BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL USE, VIRTUALLY ANY TYPE OF RETAIL YOU CAN THINK OF, MORE INTENSE IN ITS MIXED USE AREA IN THE RESIDENTIAL B AREA IS CURRENTLY ENTITLED FOR NEIGHBORLY EVER NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL USE WHICH INCLUDES RESTAURANTS AND OFFICE VETERAN VETERINARIAN CARE AND THE LIKE.

THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO PUMPKINS PUD WOULD BE TO ALLOW FOR THIS SITE TO BECOME A TRUE MIXED USE PROJECT.

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IT WOULD STILL BE AVERAGE 35 35 FEET.

THE OTHER REQUESTED WAIVER IS TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF GUEST PARKING FOR MULTI-FAMILY BY 20%, SO EFFECTIVELY THE CODE CURRENTLY REQUIRES ONE GUEST PARKING SPACE FOR FOUR UNITS.

WE'RE ASKING TO GO TO A MINIMUM 1 TO FIVE AND THAT'S BASED ON HARVARD RELATE'S EXIST TENG. THE EXISTING PARKING IS FOR MULTI-FAMILY UNDER THE CODE WHICH WE WOULD FOLLOW IS FOR ONE OR TWO BEDROOM WUNT OARS A MINIMUM OF WANT.

5 SPACES AND FOR A THREE BEDROOM OR MORE IT'S TWO SPACES.

SO WHEN THAT I JUST WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHERE THIS IS. SO YOU CAN SEE THE MIRA BELLOW SUBDIVISION TO THE WEST AND BS SHOPS AT MURABELLA ON THE CORNER. TO THE NORTH THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY THAT'S COMING. I'LL SKIP PAST.

THIS IS THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED LAND USE CHANGE.

SO YOU HAVE THE NEW SCHOOL THAT YOU HAVE SEEN ON INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY THAT'S OPENING NEXT WEEK, I BELIEVE.

ACROSS THE WAY THERE'S A PROJECT THAT I DON'T KNOW THE NAME FOR SURE BUT THE NAME I'VE SEEN IS PALMA VISTA WHICH IS OVER 200 UNITS. I COULDN'T GIVE YOU AN EXACT BUT THAT IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT. THE GREEN WISE MARKETS IS ALSO GOING IN THERE AND I'VE HEARD THAT COSTCO IS ALSO GOING IN.

YOU HAVE A VARIETY OF OTHER RETAIL USES IN THE VICINITY.

THIS IS PART OF WORLD COMMERCE CENTER, SO IF YOU SEE HERE WHERE GREEN WISE IS, THIS IS ALSO PART OF WORLD COMMERCE CENTER, WHICH IS CURRENTLY APPROVED FOR 1.27 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SERVICE, 2 MILL OF OFFICE,MAN 950 HOTEL ROOMS, 1,021 DWELLING UNITS, AND IT'S MIXED OF SINGLE FAMILY, TOWNHOME AND MULTI-FAMILY USES. SO THIS SITE IS ALSO ALONG COUNTY ROAD 202009 AT AN INTERSECTION OF THAT.

YOU REVIEWED ADLER CREEK JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO FOR TRANSMITTAL.

THAT DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING TO BUILD THE FIRST MILE OF 2209 FROM SOUTH OF STATE ROAD 16 GOING SOUTHWARD SO WE WOULD HAVE TWO LANES OF FUTURE FOUR LANE ROAD THERE.

WHAT'S SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THAT IS, JUST TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT, THAT WILL GIVE US FRONTAGE ONTO MAJOR ROADS WITH STATE ROAD 16 AND 2209. THERE IS ROUGHLY A FOOTBALL FIELD'S WORTH OF DISTANCE BETWEEN THE WEST BOUNDARY OF OUR SITE AND THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S THERE TO THE WEST.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST TO PROVIDE CONTEXT FOR THE AREA, SO YOU HAVE JUST TO THE EAST OF US IS THE VILLAGES PARK THAT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO A COST SHARING WITH THE COUNTY TO BUILD A SHARED ENTRANCE AS WELL AS TURN LANES THAT WOULD GO INTO NEW VILLAGES PARK AS WELL AS INTO PALM LAKES. THAT'S IN THE WORKS, AND WE HAVE THAT TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN SEPTEMBER.

GRAND OAKS, IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO THE SOUTH.

GRAND OAKS, AS A CONDITION OF ITS DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE WIDENING A PORTION OF STATE ROAD 16, AND THAT'S IN FULL DESIGN RIGHT NOW. I BELIEVE IT GOES FROM SAN GIACOMO ROAD TO THEIR NTS SEMBLANCE TO THEIR E GOING SOUTH. TO THE SOUTH OF THAT IS ELEVATION POINT WHICH IS A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT INCLUDES MULTI-FAMILY AND RETAIL. AND THEN I ALSO HAVE SHOWN THE GENERAL AREA OF ADLER CREEK TO THE SOUTH.

AND IN ADDITION, AUTOMATIC DEVELOPMENT WHICH I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON SOME TIME, BUT THERE'S A GREAT STORY WITH THE COUNTY WITH ITS CONSERVATION, 1 SO ONE OF THE FIRST THING I HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO WORK ON IN STJ STNG WAS TWELVE MILE SWAMP, AND REALLY CARE THE BAG FOR MY BOSS ON THAT SOME 20 LIST PLUS YEARS AGO, BUT THAT WAS A SALE TO THE STATE AS WELL AS SOME STRANS FER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THAT DAME DURBIN PARK PULSE HAVE STAR 4 WETLANDS MITIGATION BANK THERE TO THE SOUTH, AND THE COUNTY'S TURNBULL SITE WHICH IS LARGE IN CONSERVATION.

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AND IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR MUPT USE.

BHAIS NICE ABOUT SOMETHING MULTI-FAMILY IS IT'S ONE OF THE MOST WALKABLE COMMUNITIES THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN THE AREA BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT ONE BUT TWO PUBLIX THAT IS COMING IN AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RESTAURANTS.

IT'S REALLY GROWN OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS AND IT'S BECOME A GREAT COMMUNITY. NOT THAT IT WASN'T BEFORE.

IT WAS JUST DIFFERENT. HERE IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT, WHICH OUR 33 ACRES IS PART OF.

THAT'S MURABELLA. IT'S LARGELY BUILT OUT.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED MDP MAP FOR THE PROJECT WHICH REALLY, IT LOUIS FLEXIBILITY DISAS FLEXIBILITY AS TO THE LOCATION OF USES BUT IT'S INTENDED AS A MIXED USE PROJECT.

IT IS LIKELY THAT WE'RE NOT AMENDING OUR APPLICATION AT FLOOR, BUT IT IS LIKELY ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF STATE ROAD 16 WE WOULD SEE RETAIL WITH AND FORGIVE MY AWKWARD GRAPHICS, BUT THERE IS BALL FIELDS AND THE LIKE THAT ARE UNDER DESIGN FOR THE VILLAGES PARK THERE TO THE EAST THAT WOULD BE EAST OF THE PROJECT. AND THIS SHOWS JUST IN GENERAL THE WIDTH OF THE 202009 RIGHT-OF-WAY AS WELL AS SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL AREAS. SO WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER

ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

MR. MILLER. >> MR. MILLER: HI, TOM.

LOOKING TO CLARIFY A COUPLE POINTS, THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT ANALYSIS HAS IT AS 392 UNITS. THE WRIB DESCRIPG HAS 3 IMRIECH

ONE OF THE MAPS HAS IT AT 360. >> SPEAKER: SURE.

THE LAND USE AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW FOR UP TO 392 UDONIS MAXIMUM, AND THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

THE ZONING SEEKS THE 380 -- WHAT IS IT?

3 -- >> MR. MILLER: IT SAYS 385 IN

THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION. >> SPEAKER: 385 AT MIXED USE AREA, THEN ANOTHER SEVEN IN THE RESIDENTIAL B FOR A TOTAL OF 392. SO THAT'S WHERE IT IS.

SEASON ESSENTIALLY THE REQUESTED ZONING WOULD ALLOW FOR THE ALLOWED DENSITY OF MIXED USE AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AT THE MAXIMUM SO 13 UNITS AN ACRE IN THE MIXED USE AREA.

>> . >> MR. MILLER: AND YOU SAID THERE MIGHT BE COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL SERVICES ON THE BOUNDARY OF STATE ROOT 16. THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY IN THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION, THOUGH, IS IT?

>> SPEAKER: THE CURRENT APPROVAL ALLOWS UP TO 336 QUARE FEET OF RETAIL ANYWHERE ON THE SITE.

WE JUST EXPECTING AS A PRACTICAL MATTER THAT TO THE ACCIDENT IT'S DEVELOPED AS A MIXED USE SITE, THE LOGICAL PLACE TO PUT THE RETAIL WOULD BE ALONG STATE ROAD 16.

>> MR. MILLER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA:

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I WANT TO START BY SAYING THANK YOU FOR WORKING ON THE TWELVE MILE SWAMP DEAL BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY GREAT THING FOR OUR COUNTY, SO I

REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. >> SPEAKER: I WISH I COULD TAKE MORE CREDIT, BUT IT WAS A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE, AND THE FIRST INTRODUCTION TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY WORKING WITH THE GOVERNMENT HERE AND IT WAS A GREAT ONE HINCH ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. DO YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE STAFF KNOWS BUT YOU PROBABLY KNOW THE ANSWER, IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF COUNTY ROAD 2209 RIGHT ALONG YOUR WESTERN EDGE OF THIS PROPERTY, IS THAT ALREAD ACQUIRED BY THE COUNTY?

>> SPEAKER: YES. >> DR. HILSENBECK: IT IS? OKAY. WOULD YOU BE PROPOSING THIS IF THAT ROAD, YOU OR YOUR CLIENT PROPOSING IT IF COUNTY ROAD 2209 WAS NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THERE?

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S A REGARD QUESTION TO ANSWER.

I DON'T REALLY -- I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

I MEAN WEEK CERTAINLY IT MAKES IT MORE CENTRAL TO HAVE 2209

COMING. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO YOU MENTIONED ADLER CREEK. IF THAT HADN'T PASSED THIS BODY A MONTH OR SO, AND A GUESS COUNTY COMMISSION HAS NOT HEARD THAT YET BUT THEY WILL SHORTLY, I'M SURE, IF THAT HADN'T PASSED AND WHAT THEIR FINANCIAL COMMITMENT TO THAT, WOULD YOU EVEN BE STANDING HERE TODAY TRYING TO GET THIS?

>> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY. THE COUNTY IS LONG COMMITTED TOWARDS 2209. IN FACT, IT'S AROUND THE TIME WHEN I FIRST CAME ON AS A NEW ATTORNEY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WAS DEEPLY CONCERNED THAT CELEBRATE 95 WAS THE PRIMARY NORTH-SOUTH CORRIDOR FOR TRAVEL IN SNOARTSDZ STAWDGES AND THEY DEMAND THAT THE COUNTY BEGIN PLANNING ALTERNATIVE CORRIDORS, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT YOU HAVE ST. JOHNS COUNTY PARKWAY AND VETERANS PARKWAY NOW, 2209.

SO WITH OR WITHOUT ADLER CREEK WEEK I BELIEVE THAT 2209 WILL BE

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WE JUST THINK IT WILL BE EVEN BETTER WHEN IT'S DONE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: DO YOU KNOW A I. WHAT A SOIL TYPE CALLED PLACID FINE SAND IS OR ANY CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT TYPE OF

SOIL? >> SPEAKER: SURE, I DO.

I'VE HAD OCCASION TO STUDY THIS BECAUSE IT'S COME UP IN EVERY APPLICATION. SO WHAT I DID LEARN THAT FINE STAND IS THE PREDOMINANT SOIL TYPE ON THE EASTERN SEABOARD OF THE UNITED STATES, PLACIAL IN THE SOUTHEAST, SO WHEN YOU GO TO THE LEARN -- PARTICULARLY TO THE SOUTHEAST, AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE MANUAL AND YOU SEE IT'S FINE SAND WHETHER IT BE A PLACID OR TOKEO OR WHAT HAVE BUT FINE SAND IS UNIVERSAL NECESSITY EXISTENCE AND IT WILL SAY IT'S POORLY DRAINED.

WELL, UNFORTUNATELY I MEAN THERE'S A LOT TO LOVE ABOUT FLORIDA, BUT ONE OF THE LESS IDEAL THINGS IS WE HAVE FINE SAND, AND IT MAKES FOR WONDERFUL BEACHES.

THANKFULLY WE HAVE GOOD CIVIL ENGINEERS THAT UNDERSTAND HOW TO WORK IN FINE SAND. EVERY -- VIRTUALLY EVERY SITE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS EITHER FINE SAND OR MUCK WHEN IT STARTED, AND THROUGH ENGINEERING AND THROUGH IDENTIFYING SUITABLE FILL, EVERYTHING YOU SEE HAS BEEN BUILT ON THOSE AREAS.

SO IT DOES COME UP, BUT THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE ANSWER, IS THAT THIS IS JUST THE SOIL WE HAVE IN THIS REGION OF THE WORLD.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT WAS A GOOD ANSWER.

FINE SAND IS A GENERAL CLASS, BUT PLACID FINE SAND IN PARTICULAR, AND THERE ARE MANY KINDS, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN IN ANOTHER IMPOT IN ANOTHER ITEM COMING UP TODAY IS THE KINDS OF SOILS ON A PROPERTY, BUT PLACID FINE SAND A VERY POORLY DRAINED TYPE OF SOIL THAT WATER STANDS ON IT TYPICALLY FOR -- IT PONDS ON IT ON THE SURFACE FOR SIX MODS OR MORE OUT OF THE YEAR, SIX MONTHS OR MORE OUT OF THE YEAR, SO YOUR PROPERTY HAS SOME OF THAT ON IT=.

THAT'S A VERY INTENSELY WETLAND SOIL.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT I BELIEVE IT'S FLOORADANA FINE SAND WHICH IS ALSO VERY POORLY DRAINED SOIL.

SO THIS SITE, I SAW AT THIS TIME OTHER DAY, IT'S WET.

I MEAN, IT'S REALLY A WET SITE. I KNOW ENGINEERING CAN OCCUR AND YOU CAN CUT DRAINAGE DITCHES AND ALL THAT AND DRAIN IT, BUT -- MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IT'S A QUESTION AND A COMMENT, AND I WAS GOING TO TRY TO DO MY QUESTIONS FIRST AND THEN SOME COMMENTS BEFORE THE END, BUT JUST PUTTING ON THIS THAT YOU'RE ASKING TO RED REZONE WHICH N YOUR SITE PLAN LOOKS LIKE MAINLY A HOLDING POND BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, UNDER RESIDENTIAL B WE COULD HAVE 19 UNITS ON IT, ON THIS 9.33 ACRES.

UNDER THIS, UNDER THE MIXED USE, YOU COULD HAVE 110 UNITS.

THAT'S QUITE A JUMP IN DENSITY, FROM 19 UNITS TO 110 UNITS.

SO THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME. DEFINITELY.

IT'S STATE IN THERE AND YOU SHOWED A GRAPH OF IT AND IT'S IN YOUR APPLICATION AS WELL, BUT THAT THE YOU AREM BEHIND THE HOUSES ALONG THE VERY EASTERN -- EASTERN, EXCUSE BHEEB EASTERN EDGE OF MURABELLA, THAT BERM IS SAID TO BE 35 FEET HIGH.

I DIDN'T WALK ON THE BERM. I COULDN'T CUT THROUGH PEOPLE'S YARDS. BUT I LOOKED AT IT FROM THE ROAD AND THE SIDEWALK THERE. THAT BERM TO ME LOOKS LIKE IT'S 6 TO AGENT EIGHT FEET HIGH. THERE ARE SOME PINES PLANTED ON TOP BUT I JUST DON'T SIGHT AS 35 FEET HIGH.

IS THAT TRUE IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IF SMIB CAN ANSWER THAT.

>> SURE. DR. HILSENBECK, I DON'T AYALA SEEING 35 FEET IN HEIGHT. IF THERE'S A STATEMENT --

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I'LL SHOW IT TO YOU ON YOUR GRAPH.

>> >> AND HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

TO CLARIFY, IT'S THE ELEVATION OF THE SITE, NOT THE HEIGHT OFF

THE GRADE IS THE 35 FEET. >> DR. HILSENBECK: COULD YOU JUST SCROLL BACK THROUGH YOUR SLIDES FOR A SECOND REAL SLOWLY SO I CAN STOP IT. KEEP GOING.

THAT ONE. IS IT THAT ONE? NO, IT'S NOT THAT ONE YET. KEEP GOING.

NOW I DON'T SEE IT, BUT IT'S THERE.

KEEP GOING. PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER: SURE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: WAIT.

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OKAY. ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THAT SLIDE -- MAN, WHERE IS THIS? I KNOW IT'S THERE.

IT STATES THE BERM IS 35 FEET. COULD YOU GO ONE MORE.

YOU HAD IT UP THERE TODAY. AND I'M SORRY TO TAKE UP SO MUCH

TIME. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S GO ON.

I THINK YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN IT SOMETHING ELSE, DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: NO, I DEFINITELY KNOW IT'S IN THIS ONE. PLEASE.

RIGHT THERE. HOLD ON.

IS THAT THE SAME THING? THERE.

NO? ALL RIGHT.

I'M LOOKING LIKE A COMPLETE IDIOT UP HERE, BUT YOU SHOWED IT TODAY AND IT'S IN THE PACKET ON PAGE -- LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND IT -- OF YOUR APPLICATION. IN ANY EVENT --

>> SPEAKER: JUST SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION, WE'RE NOT HERE SUGGESTING THAT THE BERM -- I DROVE BY IT ON THE WAY HERE.

IT'S CERTAINLY NOT 35 FEET ABOVE THE GRADE.

SO I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

I THINK THE 35 REFERS TO THE ELEVATION AS IN LIKE SEA LEVEL HINCH THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE.

>> SPEAKER: NOT 35 FEET ABOVE GRADE HNCHTS I MAY FIND IT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK, I BELIEVE I FOUND IT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND PAGE OF EXHIBIT C, WHICH IS THE

MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YES.

OKAY. IS THAT -- THE SLIDE WAS SHOWN TODAY. OKAY.

I'LL STIPULATE, THEN, THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE BERM BEHIND MURABELLA IS NOT 35 FEET.

IF IT WAS 35 FEET, THAT MIGHT GIVE THE RESIDENTS OF MURABELLA A LITTLE MORE COMFORT IN HAVING NOT ONLY THE ROAD BEHIND THEM BUT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BEHIND THEM, A DENSE APARTMENT COMPLEX, SO THAT WAS MY POINT HERE. IT ALSO WAS STATED AT ONE OF YOUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT PEOPLE WERE WORRIED THAT PEOPLE, APARTMENT DWELLERS WOULD WALK OVER THE 30-FOOT BERM, AND THAT'S A STATEMENT DIRECTLY OUT OF THE TEXT, THEY WOULD WALK OVER THE 30-FOOT BERM. THERE IT IS.

>> SPEAKER: I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: 35-FOOT EXISTING BERM, 35 FEET ALONG RESIDENTIAL. SO IT IS IN THERE.

>> SPEAKER: EINSTEIN CORRECT AND WE WILL CHANGE IT BEFORE THE BCC AND THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

APPRECIATE YOU FINDING THAT VERY MUCH BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS THER.

OKAY. WHAT ARE THE HEIGHT OF THESE APARTMENTS GOING TO BE? HOW TALL ARE THEY?

>> SPEAKER: AT THE THE PROPOSED MAXIMUMIT HEIGHT IS

55 FEET. >> DR. HILSENBECK: AND IT TOOK ME LOOKING THROUGH ITEM 7, IT TOOK ME, OUT OF 82 PAGES IN ITEM 7, IT TOOK ME UNTIL PAGE 72 TO FIND ANY MENTION OF THE HEIGHT OF THOSE APARTMENTS AS THE 55 FEET.

IF I LIVED IN MURABELLA, I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

I ALSO DON'T THINK 55-FOOT TALL APARTMENT COMPLEX OVERLOOKING THE ROMA THERE, THAT PARKLAND IS REALLY THAT APPROPRIATE.

I WAS CONCERNED EVEN ABOUT THE CAR IMOANDZ THAT ARE NOW Z THAT ARE NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO THE EAST OF YOU AND THAT'S BACK UP TO THAT ROMA AND HOW THEY WOULD IMPACT THE NATURE EXPERIENCE AND ALL THAT, SO HAVING 55-FOOT TALL APARTMENTS ARE REALLY HIGH THERE. AND IT SEEMED TO BE BURIED IN THERE. ALL RIGHT.

THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW, AND THEN I HAVE SOME OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I INTEND TO VOTE ON IT, BUT --

>> SPEAKER: SURE. AND, DR. HILSENBECK, REGARDING THAT, SO THIS IS A SCHEMATIC THAT WE ASKEDDENING LEFT HAND, TIMMONS AND MILLER TO HELP PREPARE TO GIVE THE RELATIVE SCALE AND DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PROPOSED APARTMENTS AND THE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE WEST THERE HERE ON THE FAR SIDE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF A TWO-STORY HOME.

THERE AREN'T VICTIM VERYY TWO-STORY HOMES BUILT THAT WAY.

THIS IS THE SCHEMATIC OF AN APARTMENT BUILDING SHOWING THE HEIGHT OF A 40-FOOT EAVE WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING.

JUST GOIF AN IDEA OF THE RELATIVE DISTANCE WE ARE TALKING

ABOUT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU HAD SHOWN A SLIDE THAT YOU SAID IT WAS 294 FEET BETWEEN THE BACKYARDS OF THOSE HOUSES AND YOUR PROPERTY, NOT EVEN THE

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>> SPEAKER: SO THERE'S SO MANY ADDITIONAL BUFFERING -- SO THERE'S A DID YOU EVER STIP FROM 17 FEET 5 INCHES I BELIEVE ON THE PLAT FOR THE MURABELLA SIDE, PLUS WE HAVE SOME SCENIC EDGE ON THE -- ON OUR SIDE WITHIN THE PUD, PLUS YOU HAVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR COUNTY ROAD 2209.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WILL ASK THIS AS A QUESTION, I SUPPOSE.

WELL, I'LL WAIT. IT'S MORE OF A STATEMENT THAN -- BUT YOU CAN ADDRESS IT LATER. OF COURSE YOU'LL GET TO ADDRESS IT. BUT THANK YOU FOR THOSE

CLARIFICATIONS. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE BESIDES ME HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? TOM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION, , AS I AM HEARING AT THIS TIME PUD LOUIS UP TO 392 MUTT FAMILY UNITS. HOW DO THOSE TWO WORK IN CONCERT WITH EACH OTHER? IF YOU DO 3 THANK 392, LET'Y YOU DO 280 MULTI-FAMILY, DOES THE COMMERCIAL ADJUST AUTOMATICALLY AT THAT POINT? HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> SPEAKER: SO IS THE REQUEST IS AS YOU STATED.

SO IT'S 330,000 SQUARE FEET AND 392 APARTMENTS.

HOWEVER, THE PRACTICAL REALTY I RELATE IS THAT IF WE WERE TO DO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT THERE WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS RETAIL AS A MATTER OF PHYSICALLY BEING ABLE TO FIT ON IT WITH HEIGHT LIMITS, STORM WATER POND, PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THE LIKE. SO WE BELIEVE THAT IF A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT IS DEVELOPED ON THE SITE, THAT THERE WOULD BE RETAIL ANOTHER STATE LOOD FOOTAGE THE RAIMPLED BE MULTI-FAMILY. BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO MY CLIENT TO MAINTAIN THAT FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO SPRONT RESPOND TO THE MARKET.

THE PROJECT OR THE SITE IS UNDER CONTRACT TO HARBUT REALTY TO A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPER, AND WE BELIEVE THAT'S THE MOST LIKELY

SCENARIO. >> TO YOUR POINT, DR. HILSENBECK, I DO HAVE PHOTOS, I DROVE THROUGH MURABELLA AND I TOOK PHOTOS AND HAVE A MAP.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO TWO-STORY HOMES THAT WOULD HAVE ANY VISIBILITY WHATSOEVER IF WE HAD NO TREES, SO I'VE GOT PHOTOS SHOWING HOW THICK THE TREES ARE EXPILS HIEWRD A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO GO OUT AND SAY ON THE PARK SIDE AND ON THE SIDE WHERE MURABELLA IS THAT IT'S AT LEAST 75% OPAQUE ALREADY.

COUNTY STAFF HAS BEEN OUT. THEY WANTED TO KNOW HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE.

I HAD A SURVEYOR MEASURE THE TREES.

THE TREES ON THE PARK SIDE ARE LIKE BETWEEN 55 AND 90 FEET TALL, AND THEY'RE SO THICK WITH UNDERBRUSH THAT YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING EVEN AT A LOWER LEVEL. AND THEN ON THE MURABELLA SIDE THERE'S THE BERM AND THERE'S PLANTINGS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BERM, AND THOSE TREES HAVE BEEN GROWING FOR PROBABLY 15, 20 YEARS NOW, AND SO THERE REALLY IS NO ADVISES BUILT.

THAT'S WHY ON THE SITE LINE STUDY IT STARTS OUT WITH A THIN YELLOW EXPLIENT GETS FAHRENHEIT AND FAHRENHEIT AS THE SITE LINE WOULD GO THROUGH TREES, ET CETERA, BUT I DO ALSO HAVE A MAP THAT'S GOT DOTS ON IT. I COUNTED EVERY SINGLE TWO-STORY HOUSE AND MARKED IT ON THE MAP JUST TO SHOW THAT THERE WILL BE VERY LITTLE IF ANY VISIBILITY WHATSOEVER FOR ANYBODY IN

MURABELLA. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I BELIEVE YOU. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SHOW THAT PARTICULAR GRAPHIC. BUT THAT ONE THAT MR. INGRAM SHOWED OF THE 400-FOOT DISTANCE AND ALL THAT, THAT I DON'T RECALL SEEING IN OUR PACT EPP ET.

>> SPEAKER: I DIDN'T HAVE IT COMPLETED AT THAT TIME.

I WAS WAITING FOR IT TO BE COMPLETED BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO

TAKE IT TODAY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I SAW IT SO I'M FINE. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER AGENCY QUESTIONS? IF NOT WE WILL MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER, CHUCK LEB NOWSKI.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.

>> WHICH YOU CAN 1784 NORTH -- IN MURABELLA.

TWHRAIS CONSENSUS PRETTY MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY ITSELF THAT THEY WOULD MUCH RATHER NOT HAVE THE COMMERCIAL THERE, THE RETAIL, AND IF THERE IS GOING TO BE RETAIL THERE, TO RESTRICT IT TO THE FRONT ON THE 16 SIDE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN THAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT IS THE DRAINAGE. THERE ARE RETENTION PONDS THAT ARE GOING IN. THERE'S A PARK THAT'S GOING IN BESIDE THERE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A RETENTION POND.

AND WHEN 2209 IS PUT IN THERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A RETENTION DRAINAGE THERE AS WELL AS. WE'RE CONCERNED RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ISSUES IN THE PRESERVE AREA WHERE IT'S GETTING FLOODED AND

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SO WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS THERE WITH THE DRAINAGE THANKS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. TOM, DO YOU HAVE ANY REBUTTAL TO THAT WHAT'S YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS?

>> SORRY. BETH BREEDING SILVERFIELD DEVELOPMENT. I'M ACTUALLY WITH SUNSHINE LAND HOLDING, 1015 FORTUNE PARKWAY. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY SINCE 2002.

I'VE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THE ENTITLEMENTS INCLUDING ENGINEERING. WHEN IT COMES TO THE SOILS, WE ARE AWARE OF THAT. WE'VE HAD A BERM ANALYSIS DONE BY ENGINEERING. WE DO KNOW IT'S GOING TO ADD ABOUT TWO MONTHS TO THE CONSTRUCTION TIME PERIOD BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TURN THE SOILS AND CERTAIN THINS WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE IT AN APPROPRIATE BUILDING SITE, SO WE ARE ON TOP OF THAT AND VERY MUCH AWARE. THE BERM SHOULD PREVENT ANY FLOODING FROM OUR SITE TO THE OTHER REGARDLESS OF THE BERM.

THE SITE PLAN CURRENTLY HAS CHANGD TO HAVE THREE DIFFERENT STORM WATER PONDS. WE ARE VERY AWARE OF WHAT NEED TO TAKE PLACE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHERE THE COUNTY IS CONSTRUCTING PART OF STATE ROAD 16, THEY'RE PUTTING A STORM WATER POND IN LINEARLY IN COUNTY ROAD 2209 RIGHT-OF-WAY JANET TO OUR PROPERTY SO THERE WILL BE A STORM WATER POND THERE AND WE'LL HAVE MULTIPLE STORM WATER PONDS, AND TEN, THEN, COUNTY WILL TAKE CARE OF THE OTHER OWN STORM WATER FOR THE COUNTY PARK. BUT WE HAVE A PERMIT IN HAND FROM THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WHEN WE WERE DOING COMMERCIAL FOR THE STORM WATER DESIGN.

IT, OF COURSE, IS HAVING TO BE COMPLEETZ REDESIGNED BECAUSE FARMS DIFFERENT. ONE THING I DID WANT TO SAY ON THE RECORD, 55 FEET DOES SEEM HIGH.

THESE WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE STORIES, AND I'M ON THE RECORD STAYING THAT, LIMITED TO THREE STORIES TALL, BUT WHEN YOU TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE DECORATIVE AND MEETING WITH THE MURABELLA GUIDELINES, WE DO NEED THAT HEIGHT IN ORDER GET EVERYTHING INCLUDED FROM FROM THE ROOF, ET CETERA.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

SO WE ARE NOW BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MS. PERKINS PENCHES MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT SKAUL SMALL KALE 2021-07 PALM LAKES PROVIDING FIVE FIND OF COURSE OF BY THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION TO APPROVE BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAVE SOME.

I'LL TRY TO GET TRUE THIS QUICKLY.

SINCE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE 2002 AND YOU'RE REALLY FAMILIAR WITH IT ALL AND ROADS, I HAVE A QUESTION IN GENERAL. MAYBE YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

YOU'RE NOT A ROAD EXPERT. I DON'T KNOW YOUR FULL BACKGROUND ABOUT IT KNOW YOU'RE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE.

SHARE FOR COST OF BUILDING NEW- ROADS, DOES THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT LET'S SAY YOU'RE GOING BUILD A ROAD SEGMENT ON A GREAT STRETCH UPLANDS AND THEN YOU ENCOUNTER A LARGE AREA OF WETLANDS SOILS. DOES THAT ADD TO THE COST OF THE ROAD THAT THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE MIGHT NOT COVER OR

ANTICIPATE? >> SPEAKER: I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE EXACT ANSWER. I WILL TELL YOU, BECAUSE STATE ROAD SZANY IS AN FDOT ROAD, SO WHEN THOSE CALCULATIONS ARE DONE, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF THAT.

WE HAVE A SLIGHT DISAGREEMENT. BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE BOARD OF WE'L HAVE THE PROPORTIONATE FARE ERR FAIR SHARE ABOUT IT.

23 USE THE DOT STANDARDS. GIVE A COST PER FILE MILE OR QUARTER MILE AND IT'S BASED ON TWO LANE, QUARTER MILE, ET CETERA SHOW I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT GOES INTO THAT COST BUT THERE'S A COUNTY SPREADSHEET SCHMIT HAS RIGHT-OF-WAY IN DAYS ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY IS NEEDED FOR ROAD WIDENING.

IT HAS MULTIPLE THINGS. SO AS FAR AS DOT TAKING INTO INTO ONTARIO I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WAS PARTICULARLY MORE CONCERNED ABOUT ROADS IN GENERAL BUT COUNTY ROAD 2209, IN THERE, THAT VERY NORTHERN STRETCH ALONG THE PERSON EDGE OF YOUR PROPERTY, THAT'S EXTREMELY WET. THAT IS FLOOR DANE AND PLACID FINE SANDS THAT ARE BOTH VERY POORLY DRAINED SPRCHLTS I CAN RESPOND TO PARTS OF THAT.

I DO HAVE LETTERS FROM THE ARMY CORPS AND WATER MANAGEMENT STATING ON OUR 33 ACRES WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO WETLANDS WHAT SUPPORTIVE, SO WE HAVE NO WETLAND IMPACTS, AND WE WERE THE PARTY MANY, MANY YEARS AGO THAT SOLD THE 2209, AND I THINK THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THIS WAS A SOD FARM FOR ABOUT 50 YEARS, AND SO I THINK POTENTIALLY THAT'S WHY, AT LEAST ON THE PART OF 2209 THAT WE CONVEY THAT THERE WERE NOT ANY WETLANDS AT THAT

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I DO KNOW THERE'S A MITIGATION BANK THAT COMES AROUND SO I'M SURE THERE ARE QUITE A BIT OF WETLANDS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I THINK THERE WERE PROBABLY WET NDLE ON THERE BASED ON THE SOILS THAT ARE STILL THERE UNDERLYING THE SITE, THE FLOOR DANE AND PLACID FINE SAND, THOSE ARE WETLANDS, BASED ON THE VEGETATION THAT THE BY ODLE USE TO IDENTIFY WETLANDS ARE GONE AND HAVE BEEN GONE FOR A LONG TIME.

SINCE YOU'RE STANDING HERE AND MR. INGRAM AS WELL, YOU HAD THAT DURANGO IN THE APPLICATION SHOWING THE FUTURE PARK ON YOUR EAST SIDE, KIND OF NORTHEAST SIDE.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT FUTURE PARK THAT THE COUNTY IS PLANNING, IF YOU'LL HAVE ANY INFLUENCE OVER THAT WHATSOEVER, THAT IS PLANNED FOR ONE OF THE DEEPEST AREAS OF CYPRESS SWAMP ON THAT ENTIRE ROMA, AND THAT IS A REALLY BAD PLACE TO PUT BALL FIELD,S, SOFTBALL FIELDS AND SOCCER FIELDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT WOULD OBLITERATE A VERY LARGE AREA OF DEEP CYPRESS

SWAMP. >> SPEAKER: I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. THE DRAWING I SAW FROM THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM TO SAVE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY FOR THE COUNTY AND SHARING OF THE OFF-SITE TURN LANES AND OF AN ENTRANCE ROAD BY US PAYING FOR HALF, IT GETS THE COUNTY ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO SPEND IN THE PARK, BUT THERE WAS A LARGE WETLAND -- EXCUSE ME -- A LARGE UPLAND THERE WHERE IT WAS PLANNED. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANY WETLAND IMPACTS BUT I DO KNOW THAT'S WHY THEY CHOSE THAT PIECE BECAUSE IT DID HAVE A BIG UPLAND COMPONENT TO IT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THE DRAWING WAS IN YOUR APPLICATION.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT PAGE. TOWARD THE BACK.

>> SPEAKER: THE COUNTY PROVIDED THAT TO ME.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: ALL RIGHT. AS I SAY, IF YOU HAVE ANY INFLUENCE, PLEASE DON'T LET THEM PUT IT RIGHT THERE.

A COUPLE MORE THINGS. AND I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR SOME OF THESE, BUT YOU STATE THAT -- I'M NOT GOING TO EVEN GO INTO THAT ONE. I'M CONSIDERING -- CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROAD TRAFFIC ON 16. RIGHT NOW IT STATES IN YOUR APPLICATION FROM COUNTY ROAD 2209 TO SOUTH FRANCIS ROAD IT'S CLASSIFIED AS DEFIXT. IT'S AT 136% OF CAPACITY.

DEFICIENT. BASED ON TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFI.

SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE REALLY BEING ABLE TO HANDLE NEW ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

I WATCHED THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING A FEW WEEKS AGO. I KNOW THEY HAD ONE THIS WEEK, BUT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT -- THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU NECESSARILY -- BUT OUT BY GREENBRIER HE WILL OH R HELOW THERE'S OVER $80 MILLION OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NOT FUNDED AND EVEN WITH PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE COMING ONLINE THAT'S JUST NOT COVERING THOSE COSTS, SO I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CONCERNED THAT THAT PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE CALCULATION IS LOW, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU ADD IN WETLANDS AND

ROADS GOING THROUGH WETLANDS. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

I CAN ADDRESS THAT PARTIALLY IF YOU'D LIKE.

SO THE COUNTY HAS -- MY LAST UNDERSTANDING WAG $5 MILLION IN AN ACCOUNT TO FOUR-LANE FROM INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY TO SAN GEE COMBO. THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN DESIGN.

ETHM IS DOING THE WORK. THEY'VE NOW LOCATED WHERE THE STORM WATER IS GOING TO GO. THEIR MOVING FULL SPEED AHEAD.

EVEN DESPITE THAT FACT WE ARE PAYING A PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE ON IT BUT AS IT IS CURRENTLY KE DEFICIENT.

GRAND OAKS HAS MONEY IN AN ACCOUNT WITH THE COUNTY.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE PING UP FROM SAN GIACOMO AND GOING APPROXIMATELY AN MILE AND A HALF TOWARD THE OUTLET MALL HNCHTS

THAT'S JUST EAST YOU OF. >> SPEAKER: THEY'RE IN FULL DESIGN THEY STARTED OUT WEST OF ME AND GO EAST OF ME.

THEY'RE HAVE THEY'VE BEEN IN FULL DESIGN I'VE BEEN TRYING HOPE TO THEM LOCATE STORM WATER AREAS.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN RENEGOTIATION WITH THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A RED LINE SO THEY CAN MOVE HAVE MOVE IN ORDER SOONER THAN PEAPTD THOSE ARE LITERALLY ON THE PRESS PIFS BEING DISPURNTION THE CURRENT FAIR SHARE THAT WE'VE BEEN PROPOSED IS ABOUT $1.3 MILLION AND WE HAVE A LITTLE AGREEMENT ON SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH. WE HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK, AND SO WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT COMPLETED.

PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED AND WE'LL BE PREMADURO TO BRING THAT BEFORE THE BOARD

WHEN THIS ITEM IS BEFORE THEM. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

GOOD ANSWER. I HEAR LINDSAY HAGA TALKED A LOT ABOUT INNER PRESENTATIONS ABOUT TRANSITION AND WHAT MAKES A GOOD TRANSITION FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD TO A, SAY A COUNTY PARK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I JUST DON'T SEE A 55-FOOT TALL, 392 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING BEING A GREAT TRAININGS BETWEEN MURABELLA AND THE ROMA A GREAT TRANSITION BETWEEN MURABELLA AND

THE ROMA. >> SURE.

IN MY READING OF THE PLANNING LITERATURE, INCLUDING JANE

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IN FACT, THERE WILL BE AN AMENITY IN THIS MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. SO WE BELIEVE ALSO AND THINK RESIDENTIAL USES ARE VERY SIMILAR.

WE ALL TO GO BED AND WE GET UP AND BRUSH OUR TEETH.

RESIDENTIAL AND PARKS ARE ABSOLUTELY COMPATIBLE WITH EACH OTHER. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE NOT. BUT IT IS VERY COMMON TO HAVE HOUSES AND DWELLINGS NEAR PARKS. TWELVE MILE SWAMP WOULD BE DIFFERENT. THAT'S A CONSERVATION PARK.

BUT THIS IS PROPOSED AS ACTIVE RECREATION.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT AGAINST MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING AT ALL OR I WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED FOR A PREVIOUS ITEM. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR UTILITIES LETTER. I WANTED YOU TO ADDRESS THAT.

YOU SAID, NUMBER ONE, IT EXPIRED ON JUNE 22ND.

YOUR LETTER FROM THE COUNTY EXPIRED JUNE 22ND THAT COULD GUARANTEE YOU SERVICE AND ALL THAT.

AND THEN YOU STATE IN THERE AT SOME POINT THAT THE PROJECT WILL BE BUILT BETWEEN 2022 AND 2032. SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN 11-YEAR TIMELINE TO BUILD OUT. IF THE LETTER'S ALREADY

EXPIRED -- >> AND CAN I SPEAK TO THE FIRST ONE? ON THE UTILITY LETTER WE HAVE RECEIVED MULTIPLE REVISIONS INCLUDING ONE DURING THIS HEARING WHERE UTILITIES CONTINUE TO BE AVAILABLE.

MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT A COUNTY UTILITY IS OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE SERVICE WITHIN A SERVICE TERRITORY.

I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE TURNED DOWN.

THE ISSUE IS WHAT IS REQUIRED TO SERVE IT.

FOR EXAMPLE, THEY SAY, WELL, IT'S AVAILABLE IF YOU BUILD US A NEW UTILITY PLANT, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU HAVE A VERY, VERY LARGE PROJECT, 10,000 UNITS, THAT MAY BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

IN THIS CASE WATER AND SEWER ARE AVAILABLE USING THE EXISTING LINES. THE MOST RECENT LETTER I SAW IS SEEKING SOME HELP WITH EXTENDING A REUSE LINE, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S -- BOTTOM LINE IS WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE LETTERS OF AVAILABILITY FOR THE SITE. TO YOUR POINT, THEY DO EXPIRE.

THEY ARE NOT GUARANTEES OF CAPACITY.

BUT I THINK THEIR INTENT IS TO HELP AND YOU HELP THE COUNTY UNDERSTAND ARE WE PLANNING SOMETHING IN AN AREA THAT IS NO UTILITY SERVICE RIGHT NOW, AND THE ANSWER, THE SHORT ANSWER TO THAT IS UTILITIES ARE AVAILABLE IN THIS AREA.

MOST OF THE SITE IS ALREADY DESIGNATED AS MIXED USE.

THE SITE IS ALREADY APPROVED FOR 330,000 SQUARE FEET OF USES, INCLUDING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, RETAIL, BIG BOXED STORES, SERVICE STATIONS, SO THIS IS ALREADY INTENDED FOR INTENSIVE

USES. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT 11 YEARS FROM NOW WHAT COULD HAPPEN OUT THERE

WITH ALL THE NEW BUILDING. >> SPEAKER: SURE, ON THE TIMING SO STJ ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS UNLIKE MANY OTHER JURISDICTIONS. IN MANY JURISDICTIONS THERE IS NOT A TIME LIMIT ON ZONING BECAUSE IT LEAVES THIS OPEN QUESTION OF, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE ZONING PHASING TIME POINT EXPIRES SOON. NOW WE'RE IN LIMBO AND WHAT DO YOU DO? THE COUNTY DOES HAVE TIME FRAMES FOR PHASING DEVELOPERS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD WHAT WAS APPROVED.

THEY DO SEEK TO HAVE TIME TO DO IT.

IF WE HAD ALL BEEN SO PRESCIENT AS TO PREDICT THE GREAT RECESSION, WE WOULD ALL BE VERY WEALTHY RIGHT NOW.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: TRUE. >> SPEAKER: SO THOSE ARE THE ISSUES. WE EXPECT IT WILL BE DEVELOPED% MUCH SOONER THAN THAT, DR. HILSENBECK, BUT YOU NEVER

KNOW. >> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY.

I THINK THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY. SO WE ARE THROUGH DISCUSSION.

I THINK WE'RE READY TO VOTE UNLESS THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THE IS E. A YES VOTE IS TO

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YEAH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT ALL RIGHT. 6 YEAS, NO NAYS.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 8, CHANGE TO THE PUD?

>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR MOD 202121-0 II PALM LAKES MARKETPLACE PROVIDING SIX FINDINGS FACT IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND? IS THERE A SECOND? ANYONE? A SECOND BY MR. PIERRE.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT PASSES 6-0.

CONGRATULATIONS. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: LET'S MOVE ON, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO

PRONOUNCE HAMA -- HAMAMEH. >> SPEAKER: IT'S AHMAD

HAMAMEH. >> MR. MATOVINA: SAY IT

AGAIN. >> SPEAKER: AHMED HAMAMEH.

GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M HERE AS THE PROUD OWNER OF A NEW DEVELOPMENT, 333 STATE ROAD 16, ADDRESS ON THAT PROPERTY.

SO I PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEVELOPING AN AUTO DEALERSHIP ON 16, AND THE PLAN -- THE REQUEST HERE IS FOR REZONING ONE OF SEVEN LOTS OF THAT PROPERTY.

THE DEALERSHIP WOULD BE GOING ON 1 THROUGH 4, LOTS 1 THROUGH 4 AS YOU SEE ON THE MAP ON THE TOP RIGHT.

1 THROUGH 4 ARE ALREADY ZONE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR A DEALERSHIP TO BE BUILT THERE.

WHEN I SUBMITTED PRELIMINARY PLANS FOR THE COUNTY FOR ZONING, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT I REZONE NUMBER 5 TO CI BECAUSE I CANNOT PUT THE POND, RETENTION FORNTD THE RUNOFF INTO 1 -- IN 5 BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE THE SAME ZONING AS 1 THROUGH 4, SO THAT'S THE REQUEST HERE, IS TO REZONE NUMBER 5 TO CI, SO I'M ALLOWED TO PUT THE RETENTION AND POND THAT WOULD ALLOW THE DEALERSHIP DEVELOPMENT ON 1 THROUGH 4. THAT'S REALLY THE REQUEST TIME HERE FOR. THE REST OF THE MATERIAL I HAVE WILL SHOW THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY .15 ACRES. IN ESSENCE WHAT I'M CREATING HERE BY REZONING IT, BY ALLOWING IT TO BE CI AND PUTTING THE POND AND SEPTIC TANK ON THERE, IT LOUIS FOR A BIGGER BUFFER BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT'S SOUTH OF THIS COMMERCIAL AREA. AGAIN, IT'S ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I'M ASKING FOR THAT LOT TO BE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.

THE LOCATION MAP YOU'LL SEE HERE, IT'S ACTUALLY BETWEEN I-95 AND US-1, RIGHT BETWEEN -- SURROUNDED BY TWO SCENES, DAIRY AVENUE AND ARTHUR STREET IT. GOES NORTH ON SR 15 AND SOUTH TO THAT SQUARE THAT I'M LOOKING, THE RECTANGLE THAT I'M DOING LOOKING TO REZONE. THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP THAT OF PROPERTY. OAT RIGHT SIDE OF IT IS O'REILLY'S AUTO PARTS STORE. AND THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THE AREA IS MIXED USE DISTRICT. SO EVEN THIS LOT THAT I'M LOOKING TO REZONE FROM CI TO CN IS IN THE MIXED USE DISTRICT WHICH IS COMPATIBLE WITH THAT ZONING REQUEST.

THIS IS THE ZONING MAP. AGAIN, THE TWO LOTS THAT ARE IN RED ARE THE THE NC. I'M LOOKING TO REZONE ONLY THE TOP ONE TO CI TO ALLOW FOR TO SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE DEALERSHIP THAT WILL BE BUILT TO THE CURRENTLY CI ON TOP.

WHAT I'M LOOKING TO PUT IN THAT LOT 5, AS I MENTIONED, IS THE SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE DEALERSHIP THAT WILL GO ON 1 THROUGH 4. IT'S ALREADY COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE. AND O'REILLY'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR ACTUALLY HAS THAT SAME SIPT AND THEY HAVE THE RETENTION POND AND SEPTIC TANK. THE PICTURE IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT OF SLIDE SHOWING THAT PICTURE OR STANDING RIGHT ON THEIR SEPTIC TANK ON THE TOP ONE AND LOOKING OUT TOWARD MY PROPERTY ON THE FAR END, TOP OF THE PICTURE SHOWING THE DRIVEWAY, THE SIDE DRIVE WITE ENTRANCE IF I DRE ENTRANCE. BUT ON THE TOP, THAT IS LOT

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WILL BE BUILT PARALLEL, SAME PARALLEL.

THE BEFNS THIS REZONING, IT'S REALLY -- LOT NUMBER 5 WILL BECOME A BIGGER BUFFER FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS SOUTH WHERE WILL IT NOT BE USED FOR TRANSACTING ANY DEALERSHIP BUSINESS. IT WOULD BE THERE FOR SUPPORTING INFRASTUCTURE ONLY. THE TRAFFIC COMING INTO THE DEALERSHIP WILL BE COMING IN FROM LOT 2 OR 3 ON THE TOP AND THE FRONT, SO AS PEOPLE COMING IN FROM SR 16 WILL BE INTRTION FROM THAT EXPEND NOT BE GOING TO LOT NUMBER 5.

LOT NUMBER 5 TBHOBT PAVED BUT WITH SEPTIC TANK AND REQUIREMENTS. IT ALSO OFFERS A SAFER, LESS CROWD DEVELOPMENT FOR A DEALERSHIP.

IF I PUT ALL THE SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE ON 1 THROUGH 4, IT WOULD BE TOO CROWDED AND TOO DENSE.

IT WOULD BE SAFER TO PUT THOSE SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURES IN THE BACK. AND FROM A COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU SEE ALL THESE YELLOW CIRCLES, AREAS OF DIFFERENT AUTOMOTIVE-RELATED BUSINESSES SURROUNDING THAT PROPERTY, AND FURTHER TO THE RIGHT ON 16 TO US-1 THERE'S THREE AUTO DEALERSHIPS ON THE CORNER OR NEARBY WITHIN A MILE'S DISTANCE OF THIS PROPOSED DEALERSHIP DEVELOPMENT.

BUT AGAIN, THIS REQUEST IS NOT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION YET.

IT'S SIMPLY FOR REZONING NUMBER 5 SO I KNOW WHERE TO BUILD AND PUT THE SEPTIC TANK AND RETENTION POND ON THAT PROPERTY. THIS IS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. WILL IT NOT BE THE FINAL SITE PLAN. OBVIOUSLY THINGS WILL CHANGE AS YOU GIVE ME YOUR DECISION ON LOUGH ME TO PUT THE SEPTIC TANK AND RETENTION POND NOWRM 5. ALL THE BUFFERING WILL BE COMPLIED WITH, THE REQUIRED BUFFERING ON THE EAST, SOUTH, WEST AND NORTH, ON ALL SIDES. SCREENING BUFFERS WILL BE IMPLEMENTED PER THE CODE, PER REQUIREMENTS.

AND IT WOULD BE -- WE WOULD RETAIN AS MANY OF THE TREES AS POSSIBLE, OBVIOUSLY, THAT FALL WITHIN THE BUFFERS ON 8 AND 10 FEET SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> MR. MATOVINA: THERE ARE IN SPART COMMUNICATION?

DR. HYMNALS. >> DR. HILSENBECK: DID I DRIVE

BY THE SITE. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE? DR. MCCORMICK, YOU DID ALSO? ALL RIGHT. AND ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF

THE APPLICANT? >> DR. MCCORMICK: I SEE IN OUR MATERIALS THAT WE GOT AS WE WALKED IN HERE TODAY, I HAD NOT SEEN THESE PREVIOUSLY, THERE'S SEVERAL PEOPLE OPPOSING THIS.

HAVE YOU WORKED WITH ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS TO AMELIORATE ANY OF

OTHER CONCERNS? >> SPEAKER: A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS CAME IN YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, SO DID I NOT GET PREVIOUS REVIEW. I DID SUBMIT MY MATERIAL IN THE DEADLINE OVER THE EXPWRKSD THE 39 WAS FORMALLY SUBMITTED ON MONDAY, SO I'M SORRY THAT YOU DIDN'T GET TO SEE THEM IN

ADVANCE. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I DIDN'T

SEE THEM UNTIL TODAY. >> SPEAKER: THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC CAME IN YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.

THERE WAS ONE COMMENT THAT CAME IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK, BUT IT WAS ABOUT OPPOSING BUILDING A DEALERSHIP AS OPPOSED TO THE REZONING OF CI, THE CI TO CN FOR LOT NUMBER 5.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: SO THERE'S NO SEWER SERVICE OUT THAT WAY ON

STATE ROAD 16? >> SPEAKER: I'M SORRY?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THERE'S NO SEWER SERVICE YOU COULD HOOK

INTO RATHER THAN A SEPTIC TANK? >> SPEAKER: YES, IT IS HALF AN HOUR AWAY. THERE IS POWER BUT TRS NO SEPTIC

AND SEWER. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, WE WILL MOVE TO PUBLIC

SPEAKERS. >> WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS CARDS. DEBORAH BROWN.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHO DO WE HAVE AFTER THAT?

>> NEXT WE HAVE MS. ELLEN WOOD. >> MR. MATOVINA: MS. ELLEN WOOD, COULD YOU MOVE TO THE FRONT OF THE ROOM SO YOU WILL BE READY TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN SMNCHTS I'M DEBORAH BROWN AND I LIVE ON ARTH STREET.

I GUESS I'M MAINLY HERE, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STOP PROGRESS AND PROGRESS IS A WONDERFUL THING.

MY CONCERN IS MY FAMILY'S BEEN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 40 YEARS AND WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH IT ALL, AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THROUGH CRACK, METH, OPIOIDS, DRUG DEALS, HOUSES ON EVERY CORN, THROUGH GETTING RID OF THEM AND THEN THE BLIGHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WELL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S FINALLY TURNING AROUND. WE ARE FINALLY GETTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE'VE DREAMED OF FOR YEARS.

PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND BUILDING THE SMALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THERE. AND YOUNG FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN ARE MOVING IN NOW. AND SO THE MAKE-UP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CHANGING FOR THE BETTER, FINALLY AFTER ALL THESE YEARS. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF A DEALERSHIP RIGHT THERE ON THAT CORNER WOULD BE THE BEST FIT FOR US BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE CHILDREN ON BICYCLES, WE HAVE FAMILIES,

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AND THE OTHER PROBLEM WE HAVE THERE IS FLOODING.

MY YARD RIGHT NOW IS FLOODED UP TO MY ANKLES.

I WAS TOLD BY THE COUNTY YEARS AGO THAT IT'S LIKE A BOWL THERE AND THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE BOTTOM OF THE BOWL, SO HE IS ADDRESSING STORM WATER. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT.

I WAS REALLY CONCERNED OF WHERE IS ALL THE WATER GOING TO GO BECAUSE EVEN WITH THE O'REILLY EXPEARKS THEY PUT THE RETENTION POND IN, WE STILL HAVE ISSUES, SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE THE QUALITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S FINALLY TURNING AROUND TO WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DREAMED IT COULD BE WITH FAMILIES, WITH CHILDREN INSTEAD OF OTHER. AND THE WATER SITUATION IS A MAJOR PROBLEM WILTON A I MA MAJOR PROBLEM.

THE COUNTY SAID THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN NEXT YEAR AND POSSIBLY PUT A DRAINAGE DITCH FROM AB TO BARCELONA, WHICH I HAVE TRIED -- I HAPPEN TO KNOW WHO OWNS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE COUNTY EVEN APPROACHING THEM TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO, YES, OUR MAJOR CONCERN HERE IS WHEN HE BUILDS THAT UP ON 16, THEN IT'S JUST GOING TO RUN MORE WATER BACK ON US. I'M GLAD HE'S GOT A RETENTION POND BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL SOLVE THE WHOLE PROBLEM.

AND I WAS ALSO GOING TO ADDRESS THAT I DID NOT KNOW HE PLANNED ON USING THE OTHER FOUR BLOCKS FOR THE DEALERSHIP.

I WAS TOLD AND OBVIOUSLY MISTAKENLY THAT THE DEALERSHIP WOULD BE ON ONE LOT, THAT THE RETENTION POND WOULD BE ON LOT 5, BUT THE OTHER TWO LOTS WERE UNDETERMINED WHAT WOULD GO THERE. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ALL GOING TO BE THE DEALERSHIP, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE, IS WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON LOT 1 AND 2 FBT DEALERSHIP IS ON 3 AND 4 AND THERE'S A RETENTION POND ON 5.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: WHO IS UP

NEXT? >> DEBORAH BROWN.

I'M SORRY. SARAH JAZZ.

>> SPEAKER: HOLD ON ONE SEC. CAN YOU SEE IT?

>> CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> SPEAKER: I'M SARAH JAZZ. I LIVE AT 330 ABBY AVENUE WHICH IS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THIS PROPOSED SITE, AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT, ONE, IF YOU DECIDE THAT IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO TURN LOT 5 INTO A INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE LOT, THEN, YES, THAT WHOLE SPACE IS GOING TO BECOME A USED CAR DEALERSHIP, AND IS THAT REALLY THE MOST APPROPRIATE ITEM TO HAVE ON ROUTE 16 WHICH LEADS INTO OUR HISTORIC TOWN.

HOW DOES THAT FOLLOW AND COMPLY WITH 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, IF YOU COULD PLEASE, BEFORE YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION, GO AND LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT TALK ABOUT USING NON--- NON-AUTOS AND JUST -- THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS IN THERE THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE YOU GUYS DECIDE YES, GO AHEAD AND MAKE LOT 5 BE A COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE. I DON'T KNOW WHY LOT 1 THROUGH 4 IS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE. IT SHOULD NOT BE.

BUT WE CAN'T CORRECT THAT RIGHT NOW.

HOWEVER, AS DEBORAH SAID, AS JANICE HAS SAID, JANICE IN THAT PACKAGE SAID, THIS IS THE INTRODUCTION TO OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, INTO OUR HISTORIC TOWN.

DON'T CLUTTER IT WITH USED CAR DEALERSHIPS.

AND DEBORAH WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FLOODING.

OH, MY GOD. YES.

IF YOU LOOKED AT OUR HOUSES, THEY'RE UNDERWATER, AND IF WE HAVE ALL THOSE TREES REMOVED, WE REMOVE ALL THOSE TREES, YOU SAW IN IT THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE, EVER -- CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT? -- IF YOU REMOVE THE TREES, ALL THAT WATER THAT IS SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO BE RETAINED BY THAT RETAINING POND IS NOT GOING TO BE, AND WE ARE GOING TO END UP WITH, AS YOU'VE SPOKEN ABOUT IN THE OTHER PLAITSZ, MR. HILSENBECK, THE SAME

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SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE MAKE SURE IT PASSES, THE HAVE 2025 EXREFN PLAN, ALL ITEMS, NOT JUST THE ONES YOU HAVE ALREADY ASKED HIM TO FILL IN IN THE APPLICATION BUT ALL OF THE ITEMS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SAFETY AND WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE WALKING AND BIKING AND LITTLE CHILDREN. HOW DOES THIS FIT, HOW WILL IT FIT ON ARTHUR STREET ANY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON HAVING CARS COME IN ON ARTHUR STREET, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE ANY VEHICLES COMING EVEN FOR YOUR ADMINISTRATION, THERE'S NO BASE IS TO SPACE TO COME IN ON ARTHUR.

THERE'S BARELY SPACE TO COME OUT OF O'REILLYY AND GET ONTO 16.

IF YOU ADD SOMETHING NEXT DO IT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. EVEN WORSE.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. LETTING US SPEAK.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? DOES ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP WITH -- TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OR PRESERVE ANY PROVIDE ANY REBUTTAL?

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AT THE ADDRESS THE DISMIRNS FOR RAISING THOSE CONCERNS UP.

GUYS RAISE VERY VALID POINTS THAT I'M VERY AWARE OF THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS AS I DID TALK TO ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT'S ON THE OTHER STREET, NOT ON DAIRY STREET.

THE TWO PRIMARY CONCERNS THAT I HEARD HEARD IN YOUR COMMENTS- THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHERS BUT THE TWO PRIMARY ONES IS THE RETENTION POND AND THE DRAINAGE AND THE WATER RUNOFF.

I HAVE A CIVIL ENGINEER AND A SEPTIC TANK ENGINEER THAT WERE HIRED AND DID PRELIMINARY DESIGNS.

IT WILL BE AN ENGINEERED SEPTIC TANK WHICH WILL HAVE THE OVERFLOW RUNOFF TAPPED INTO THE INLET THAT'S RIGHT ON ARTHUR STREET. IF YOU LOOK ON THE TOP OF THE PICTURE -- IT'S HARD TO SEE -- BUT ON THE TOP OF THE PICTURE HERE ON -- BELOW THE WORD "ARTHUR" ON THE LEFT SIGH THERE IS AN LET IN THE STREET AND THE PLAN IS THAT THE SEPTIC TANK WOULD HAVE ANY OVERFLOW PIPED STRAIGHT AND TAPPED INTO THE INLET THAT IS PROVIDED FOR THE CITY DRAINAGE.

SO THAT'S AS FAR AS OVERFLOW. WE'RE NO DESIGNING IT TO OVERFLOW INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BY NO MEANS.

THAT'S NOT THE PLAN. THE COUNTY AND THE CITY WILL NOL ALLOW ME TO DO THAT. WHEN I COME BACK WITH THE DEFINITIVE PLANS FOR BUILDINGS THE PROPERTY AND PUTTING THE PAVEMENT ON 1 THROUGH 4, THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE ME PUT A RETENTION POND THAT WOULD WORK TO PREVENT ANY KIND OF RUNOFF INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AS FAR AS THE TWO LOTS AND FOUR LOTS AND WHAT LOTS WERE TO BE BUILT, MAYBE THE CONFUSION CAME FROM THAT 6 EXPFN WERE NOT TO BE BUILT ON -- 6 AND 7 WITH.

I'M GOING TO BE PUTTING A HOUSE ON NUMBER 7.

NOT RIGHT NOW BUT IT'S ALREADY A RESIDENTIAL.

MY SON WILL BE LEGISLATIVE ON THAT PROPERTY AND IT IS HE IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO I WANT IT TO BE A FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD ANYWAY. SO DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE 1 THROUGH 4 FOR THE DEARM OPERATING AND 5 WILL BE FOR RETENTION POND ONLY. THAT'S REGARDING THE FLOODING ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED. AS FAR AS THERE'S NO SPACE TO ENTER, THE DOT WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO HAVE A NEW ENTRANCE INTO THE PROPERTY FROM 16 BECAUSE IT'S TOO NAIR OAF A PROPERTY, 135 FEET WIDE, SO WE'RE GOING TO USING ARTHUR BY THE ENTRANCE OF O'REILLY'S AND THEY HAVE A NICE ENTRYWAY INTO THE SIDE ENTRANCE GOING INTO O'REILLY. OUR ENTRANCE WILL BE JUST SOUTH OF THAT ENTERING INTO OUR PROPERTY, SO WE WILL NOT BE CLARK INTO THE TRAFFIC WITH O'REILLY'S TRAFFIC COMING IN AND GOING OUT. AS FAR AS COMPATIBILITY, AS I'VE SHOWN IN THE OTHER PICTURE, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THE AREA THAT ARE AUTO-RELATED, SURROUNDED BY THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES, AND AGAIN WHAT I'M ASKING FOR REZONING HERE FOR NUMBER 5, IT IS NOT FOR BUILDING A DEALERSHIP ON NUMBER 5. IT IS FOR BUILDING A RETENTION POND ON NUMBER 5. AS IT WAS IF I DIDN'T GET THAT PERMISSION, WHEN I BUILD 6 AND 70 AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WITH A DIFFERENT BUSINESS, I WOULD HAVE TO PUT A RI TENSION POND ON THOSE ANYWAY. THE COUNTY WILL NOT LET ME BUILD WITHOUT PUTTING A RETENTION POND ON THERE.

SO THAT'S -- I THINK I ADDRESSED ALL OF THAT.

AS FAR AS THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF AUTO BUSINESSES PLRD IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THERE'S OTHER DEALERSHIPS ON US-1 AND 16 AT THE ENTRANCE OF OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE SO THIS IS NOT REALLY CHANGING THE MAKE-UP OF THE PLANS HERE AND IT IS

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I HOPE I ADDRESSED ALL THE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. MILLER. >> MR. MILLER: YES, SIR.

I THINK YOU WANT TO CLARIFY ONE POINT.

DID YOU MEAN TO STHAIT SEPTIC WOULD OVERFLOW OR THE WATER?

>> SPEAKER: I MEANT THE POND. DID I SAY SEPTIC TANK?

>> MR. MILLER: JUST TO CLARIFY FOR ANYBODY LISTENING.

THE OTHER FOR STAFF. IS IT BECAUSE THE SEPTIC TANK IS WITHIN A DIFFERENT ZONING OR THE STORM WATER OR BOTH? BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE SEEN SITUATIONS WHERE STORM WATER IS A DIFFERENT ZONING THAN THE ACTUAL PRINCIPLE USE.

>> HI THERE. SWLEERCH A RANDOLPH, ST. JOHNS COUNTY PLANNER FOR THE RECORD. IT'S THE ACCESSORY USES OF THE SEPTIC TANK AND STORM WATER PLAN THAT MUST BE ON THE THE SAME

LAND AS THE STRUCTURE. >> MR. MILLER: SO EVEN IF THEY ALLOW FOR A USE FOR STORM WATER, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S MAY SEPARATE ZONING THAT HE HAS TO GET THE COMMERCIAL.

>> THE MAIN BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE ON THE CCI ZONING.

THE IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ACCESSORY USE OF STORM WATER, IT MUST BE ON THE SAME ZONING AS THE NEW STRUCTURE.

>> MR. MILLER: UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MS. PERKINS.

THANK YOU. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL REZONING 2021-14, HAMAMEH -- SORRY, I CANNOT PRONOUNCE THAT -- DEALERSHIP, REQUEST FOR REZONE APPROXIMATELY 1.5 ACRES OF LAND OUT OF AN ABEL 1.08 ACRES FROM COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OF TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, WITH CONDITIONS, TO ALLOW FOR SUPPORT CAN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A

[10. REZ 2021-18 Gaines Road Rezoning.]

REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: GOT A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MS. PERKINS. SECOND BY MR. MILLER.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S RECORD THE VOTE. THAT PASSES 6-0.

CONGRATULATIONS, SIR. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 10 AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK AFTER THAT.

MS. TAYLOR, YOU'RE HOLDING US UP FOR THE BREAK.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAGOSSA STREET, WILLIAM YOUNG WHICH IS THE APPLICANT IS WITH ME TODAY AS WELL IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T ANSWER.

AND THIS IS PROPERTY THAT GAINES ROAD REZONING.

IT IS REZONING FROM OPEN RURAL TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY 3, AND BY THE WAY, ONE OF THE THINGS I TELL ALMOST EVERY CLIENT THAT COMES TO SEE ME IS GO VISIT THE NEIGHBORS FIRST, SO ANYWAY, SO WILL WILLIAM HAS MET WITH HIS NEIGHBORS BEFORE WE GOT HERE TODAY AND BEFORE WE FILED OUR APPLICATIONS.

SO THE PROPERTY IS GAINES RODE IF YOU ALL KNOW WHERE THE GAINES TECHNICAL CENTER, GAINES SCHOOL IS, AND THE FIRE OFFICES.

IT'S THE WEST SIDE OF GAINES PROOPPED IT'S NORTH OF WOODLAWN, AND AS I SAID THE GAINES SCHOOL AND THE TRAINING FACILITY TO THE WEST, AND KIND OF SEE ALL THAT JUST BY LOOKING.

THAT'S THE FIRE STATION. THAT'S THE SCHOOL.

THAT'S PART OF THE TRAINING FACILITY.

AROUND IT IMMEDIATELY, IMMEDIATELY AROUND IT IS LARGE LOT. THAT WOULD BE THESE AND THESE LOTS. HIRE DENSITY, WHICH IS A PUD OVER TO THE EAST, WHICH ACCESSES WOODLAWN ROAD.

IT DOESN'T ACCESS GAINES ROAD ALL THE.

THEY DO HAVE THAT TRAINING FACILITY THERE, AND THIS WAS ORIGINALLY A 1 ACRE, LIKE DIVISION THAT KIND OF KEPT GOING OVER YEARS AGO IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA THAT EVERYBODY HAD THE 1 ACRE. THE SITE, AND I LISTED IS 1.0 ACRES. WE OF A SURVEY WITH 1.1.

WE HAVE A PROPERTY APPRAISER THAT THINKS IT'S 1.09.

SO WE'RE RIGHT AROUND. SO I'M JUST SAYING IT'S AN ACRE. THERE WAS A SECOND HOME -- THERE IS A EXISTING HOME, WHICH IS BEING REMODELED RIGHT NOW, AND THERE WAS A MOBILE HOME ON IT THAT THEY HAVE SINCE REMOVED.

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THE GENERAL AREA, AND FOR THE SITE ITSELF, THE LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL B, WHICH IS UP TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE, AND IT IS RESIDENTIAL B TO THE EAST. YOU CAN SEE IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF SURROUNDED BY THE PUBLIC LAND USE, COMS THE SCHOOL AND THE FIRE, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY THAT GOES DOWN THE ROAD LIKE IT DOES. AND THEN WE'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL C TO THE SOUTH AND ACTUALLY SOME CONSERVATION SILVICULTURE FARTHER TO THE WEST. AND JUST TO KIND OF GET A LITTLE CLOSER VISION OF THAT, JUST TO KIND OF SEE.

ZNING PRETTY MUCH PUDS OR OR IN THE GENERAL AREA, AND ONLY THE FIRE STATION AREA IS ACTUALLY ZONED FOR PUBLIC.

IT'S OKAY. THE SCHOOLS ARE OKAY AND EVERYTHING WITHIN OR. THAT IS A SURVEY JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY IS.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL IN SHAPE, BUT BASICALLY IT DOES HAVE 259 FEET ALONG GAINES ROAD, AND THEN THE DEPTH VARIES A LITTLE BIT BUT IT'S ABOUT 170 FEET DEEP.

SO THESE WOULD BE, EACH WOULD BE A HALF ACRE LOT.

AND THEN I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME PICTURES FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT MAY NOT HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO RIDE BY THE SITE. THAT'S THE HOUSE LOOKING FROM THE ROADWAY. THAT'S IMMEDIATELY FROM GAINES ROAD LOOKING WEST. THAT'S BETWEEN OR TO THE SOUTH OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY A SHED THAT WAS TAKEN DOWN AND A LITTLE POURS OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS TAKEN DOWN AS WELL. PORTION OF THE HOUSE.

THAT IS THE SITE THAT HAD THE MOBILE HOME ON IT THAT WOULD BE THE SITE FOR THE NEW HOME AND THAT KIND OF SHOWS YOU IN THE BASKETBALL BACK AND SS THAT YOU SPIFT SPIT OF WETLAS THAT'S IN THE BACK. THIS IS GAINES ROAD LOOKING AT THE SITE FROM WOODLAWN AND YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT IS PRETTY MUCH SEPARATED BY THIS BY THE ROAD, AND THEN I'LL SHOW YOU ANOTHER SPIRKS, TOO, TO SHOW. YOU THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH, THAT DIRT ROAD.

AND THEN THAT'S GAINES ROAD AS YOU CONTINUE TO GO NORTH.

AND THAT WAS JUST KIND OF TO SHOW YOU, SO YOU HAVE GAINES ROAD, THEN YOU HAVE THE BARRIER FOR TRAFFIC AND STUFF.

YOU HAVE QUITE A LARGE DRAINAGE FACILITY.

AND THEN YOU HAVE QUITE A LARGE BUFFER ALONG THERE.

SO THE INDIVIDUAL HOMES THAT ARE IN SANS LET'S SAUSALITO T HAVE ANY. THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE TO RS3 AND THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE WOULD BE THE 7500 SQUARE FEET WITH A 75-FOOT FRONTAGE AND SIP CAL SETBACKS AND LOT COVERAGE.

AND WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS VERY LOGICAL IN THIS AREA.

IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. IT IS A MIXTURE AND, OF COURSE, ACROSS -- IN THE PUD THEIR THEY ARE MUCH SMALLER LOTS AND MUCH MORE TIGHT, AND WE'RE NOT THINKING THAT, JUST BEEN ABLE TO SEPARATE THIS PARTICULAR ONE. SO WITH THAT WE FEEL IT'S CONSIST OF WITH THE GOALS, POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN, AND WE ARE ASKING FOR A RDGES FOR APPROVAL, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY SPART COMMUNICATION ON THE PART OF OF

THE OWNERS? >> DR. HILSENBECK: I PROV HAVE DROVE BY AND LOOKED AT IT. I SAW THE HOUSE BEING REMODEL WITH THE TIEBACK ON IT AND SO FORTH.

IT LOOKED FINE TO ME FOR REZONING.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY SPEAKER CARDS ?

>> ONE SPEAKER CARD. ALLY YOUNG.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S WILL. >> MR. MATOVINA: NO SPEAKERS SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

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>> NOCATEE CAME AND AND CHANGED THAT WHOLE AREA AND DIRECTION.

I'VE TO GET A POWERPOINT HERE SOMEWHERE.

WELL, I'LL JUST -- SORRY. OKAY.

THIS IS -- WHAT WE'D LIKE TO BUILD.

WE HAVE PHASE 1. IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED.

GEE WITH US GOT AIR CEO ON THE BUILDINGS AND WE'LL BE MOVING PEOPLE IN THERE IN ANOTHER WEEK.

HAPPY ABOUT THAT. THE PARCEL NEXT TO IT IS GOINGTS A COMBINATION OF MORE COVERED STORAGE AND OPEN PARKING SPOTS.

IT WILL ALL BE HARD PAVED WITH CONCRETE OR ASPHALT.

WE'RE GOING TO UTILIZE THE SAME DRIVEWAY SO WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER CUT INTO THE OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY.

FIRST CONSTRUCTION PLAN SUBMITTAL HAS BEEN MADE TO THE COUNTY, SO THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE BUILDING, AND WE ARE ACTUALLY RECEIVED OUR WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMIT ON THE RETENTION POND. IT'S A DRY POND.

THERE'S NO WETLANDS OR LISTED SPECIES ON THE PROPERTY.

THE NEXT ONE SHOWS THE CONTEXT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

OUR EXISTING LOT'S OVER ON THE LEFT.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT 230 SPACES IN THERE.

IT JUST SHOWS THE OTHER ONE AND THEN COMMERCIAL MORE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE UP FRONT ON US-1. THIS IS P KIND OF A LEFTOVER SLIDE FROM LAST TIME. IT WAS REALLY -- ALL OUR TRAFFIC IS LOCAL. IT'S PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND US BECAUSE THEY WANT DEEP THEIR BORT RV CLOSE TO THEIR HOME. AND THERE'S A MIX OF USES.

THERE'S SOME VEHICLES THAT NEVER MOVE.

LITERALLY IN TEN YEARS HAS NOT MOVED.

THEN THERE'S PEOPLE THAT FISH EVERY WEEKEND AND THEY'RE IN GETTING THEIR BOAT. SO THERE'S KIND OF A MIXED.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OUT-OF-TOWN FOLKS COMING TO THE PROPERTY. WE OPENED OUR ORIGINAL FACILITY IN 2008. IT WAS JUST WOODS ACROSS THE ROAD FROM US. THEY WERE CUTTING IN NOCATEE PARKWAY. WE LIVE RIGHT IN MOCHA TEE.

OUR PARTNER LIVES OFF RACE TRACK ROAD SO WE'RE THERE A LOT AND IF SOMEBODY CALLS WITH A COMPLAINT, WHICH NOBODY HAS, WE COULD JUST DEAL WRIT RIGHT THEN. THERE'S THE VIEW ACROSS THE FENCE TO THE EXISTING FACILITY FROM ONE OF THE CUL-DE-SACS IN GREEN LEAF. OKAY.

WE HAVE 10-FOOT TYPE B BUFFERS ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS.

THE FENCING IS GOING TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SPECIAL SECTION, THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COUNTY CODE THAT DEALS WITH BOAT AND RV STORAGE. BASE COLITIS A TREEFER 20 FEET, IT'S A SOLID TENSE FENCE OR A THREE EVERY 100 FEET AND CHAIN LINK FENCE OR SOME TYPE OF SHRUBBERY REMEMBER HEDGE ROW ALL SO HERE'S WHAT WE JUST FINISHED.

WE HAVE AN 8-FOOT VINYL FENCE ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.

WE HAVE OUR TREES EVERY 20 FEET.

THERE'S OUR ENTRANCE. THE VIEW FROM OLD DIXIE SWHIE GOING TO BE THE SAME AS THE ONE ON THE LEFT REALLY FOR THE NEW SECTION. .

WE HAVE -- A CONCERN ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HAD.

I THINK YOU GOT PROBABLY THE EMAIL IN THERE FROM TRACY AS PEN. SHE LIVES ACROSS THE ROAD, OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY. WE MET HER ON-SITE, SHOWED HER WHAT WE WERE DOING. THERE'S A HEDGE ROW OUT THERE, A TREE ROW. THERE'S A LOT OF TALL PINE TREES IN IT AND THERE'S HARDWOODS, NICE CEDARS AND EL P.M.'S WE ARE GOING TO TAIF ALL THE HARD WOODS QUEEK.

THE PINE TREES HAVE TO GO. THEY'RE SUPER TALL AND AT THE END OF THEIR LIFESPAN. WE DON'T TO BUILD THESE BUILDINGS UNDER THEM. SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE HEIGHT WE CAN. IF WE CAN'T KEEP THEM WE'LL BE PLANTING IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT TYPE B BUFFER SCREENING.

ON CROSS RIDGE DRIVE THERE'S AN EXISTING HEDGE ROW THERE NOW.

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FROM OUR PROPERTY OVER THERE'S A STRIP THAT'S OWN BY THE SANDY RIDGE LLC WHICH IS THE NOCATEE GUYS, AND THERE'S CROSS RIDGE DRIVE AND THE REST OF SANDY RAGES PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CROSS RIDGE. THAT'S ALL ZONED FOR SOME SORT OF TOWN CENTER, MOW INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT THAT BUFFER IS GOING TO REMAIN. WE'RE NOT TAKING IT OUT.

OUR PROPERTY LINE IS THE POWER POLE LINE.

SO WE'LL HAVE THAT BUNCH EXISTING SHRUBBERY AND TREES THAT ARE THERE. THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR 10-FOOT TYPE B BUFFER, AND THEN OUR PLACE. ONE OF MRS. ASPEN'S OTHER CONCERNS WAS LIGHTING. AND WE LAID THIS OUT THE WAY WE DID SO WE COULD HAVE THE BUILDINGS UP AGAINST OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY AND HAVE ANY LIGHTING THAT'S ON THE BUILDINGS FACING AWAY FROM THE HOUSES, AND THAT ALSO SEPARATES THEIR VIEW FROM A LOT OF VISUAL CLUTTER OF THESE VEHICLES.

IT WILL GIVE THEM A CONSIST OF LOOK ALONG OLD DIXIE.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED POLE LIGHTS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE DONE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE HOUSES. THEY WILL ALL BE DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTS. THE COUNTY HAS A CODE FOR LIGHTING PLANS AND HOW MUCH LIGHT CAN ESCAPE THE SITE, WHICH IS NONE. SO WE'LL DO ALL THAT PER THE COUNTY CODE. LAST TIME WHEN WE WERE HERE, THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT ACCESS AT NIGHT.

AND WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT OUR STUFF, AND THAT CONCERN CAME UP, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC EVEN THOUGH WE'RE A 24-HOUR OPERATION, THERE'S VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 6:00 A.M. NOBODY -- ONCE IN A GREAT WHILE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO PICK UP THEIR BOAT EARLY, THEY'RE TAKING OFF AND GOING FISHING. THAT'S IT.

WE'VE LOOKED AT THEM AGAIN SINCE THEN.

REALLY NOTHING HAS CHANGED. WE'RE ASKING FOR A CONDITIONAL CI JUST LIKE WE DID ON THE ORIGINAL PARCEL.

OUR INTENT TO BUILD BOAT AND AR STORAGE.

SO WE WANT TO GET BOAT AND RV STORAGE AND LEAVE OURSELVES OR FUTURE OWNERS FLEXIBILITY TO DO STUFF THERE, AND WE TRIED TO PICK THE LEAST INTENSIVE STUFF OUT OF THE CI ZONING, AND IT SEEMED EASY ENOUGH TO SAY LET'S JUST EAST THIS AS OFFICE AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CATEGORY. THAT KEEPS IT SIMPLE.

THAT'S ABOUT IT. >> MR. MATOVINA: BACK INTO THE AGENCY, DOES ANYBODY -- THIS IS GOING TO BE ITEMS 11 AND 12, AND SO 12 WOULD REQUIRE SPART DISCLOSURE.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE TO DISCLOSE?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAD PREVIOUSLY DRIVEN BY THE SITE.

WE HAD A COUPLE VOANGS UP RIGHT THERE ADJACENT TO YOU.

ONE WAS A AUTO PARTS STORE A MONTH OR SO AGO, I WAS UP THERE THEN GUT BUT I DIDN'T DRIVE BY AGAIN.

I DO REMEMBER YOU THOUGH. >> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? THEN WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MS. PERKINS. >> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2021-06 CORN LOT BOAT STORAGE BASED FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

SECOND BY DR. HINGES. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I VOTED AGAINST THE ONE THAT YOU PRESENTED MAYBE NINE, TEN MONTHS AGO.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS. BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS IN A GOOD LOCATION. IT WAS RIGHT THERE RESIDENTIAL.

IT WAS A TIGHT FIT RIGHT IN THERE.

BUT THIS IS A MUCH BETTER LOCATION, SO I DON'T HAVE A

PROBLEM WITH THIS AT ALL. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

SO ITEM 11 PASSES 6-0. AND SO NOW WE'RE ON TO ITEM 12.

IS THERE A MOTION TO ITEM 12? MS. PERKINS.

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>> MS. PERKINS: MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2021-17 CORN LOT RV/BOAT STORAGE BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE GOT A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. MILLER.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. CONGRATULATIONS, MR. MACKEY.

>> AND THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: MS. HAGA.

>> SPEAKER: HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON.

FOR THE RECORD, LINDSAY HAGA WITH ENGLAND, TIMMONS AND MILLER, AND WITH ME TODAY ARE THE APPLICANT AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECT TEAM MEMBERS. WE HAVE LEVI RITTER, BILL HIGHBURN AND MIKE MESS YAWN OH WITH THE ALTERRA GROUP.

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THE TWELVE MILE SWAMP WHICH IS REPRESENTED THERE IN GREEN AS THAT WESTERN BORDER, THE 313 ROUTE THAT COULD CONNECT IN FOR THAT REGIONAL BELTWAY TO ST. AUGUSTINE AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL PIECE OF THE GREEN PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALSO OWNED BY THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY DISWREENT PROPERTY BOUNDARY.

TO THAT ISN'T SHOWN ON THIS MAP BUT YOU DO SEE IN THAT IS THE REGIONAL AIRPLANE BUT THE AIRPORT DISTRICT EXTENDS TO THE WEST OF US-1 AND ALSO SOME OF THE LANDS THAT THE AIRPORT DISTRICT OWNS AS WELL SORT OF CAPTURES IN.

SO THIS SITE REPRESENTS WHAT'S AN INFILL NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THAT CONTEXT TO THE CITY OF EMPLOYMENT THERE FOR ST. AUGUSTINE AND TO THOSE ENTERTAINMENT AND RECREATION USES THAT WE ENJOY HERE IN THE COUNTY.

THIS AERIAL MAP PROVIDES AND KIND OF BUILDS ON SOME OF THOSE CONSTRAINTS AND THOSE CONDITIONS FROM OUR LOCATION AND VICINITY MAP. SHOWN IN THAT BLUE OR LIGHT COLOR AND LABELED IS THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OWNED LANSDZ, SOME OF THAT AREA IS DESIGNATED AS SUCH, RURAL/SILVICULTURE, WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT LANDS, AS A PARTICULAR LAND USE CATEGORY OR ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THEN WE SHOW THE AISHT DISTRICT LAND USE CATEGORY ITSELF, SO YOU CAN GET THIS FEELING A BELTING AROUND OR BANDING AS REPRESENTED IN THIS YELLOW AREA REPRESENTING 165 ACRES OF THE PROPERTY HERE.

SO OUR LAND USE MAP WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AGAIN KIND OF KEEPING IN MIND THAT WAS ORTHOPEDICSHIP THAT I WAS SHOWING HERE AND NOW WE'RE FLIPPING OVER TO THE LAND USE CATEGORIES OF THE 2025 LAND USE MAP, WE SEE THAT THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL B WHICH PROVIDES FOR A DENSITY OF TWO DWELLING UNITS TO THE NET ACRE. IT'S SURROUNDED AGAIN.

YOU SEE THE AIRPTZ DISTRICT, AND THAT'S BEYOND PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY THE DISTRICT AS WELL AS WHERE THE AIRPORT IS ITSELF, AND THEN YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LAND USE CATEGORY THAT SOME OF THIS, THIS KIND OF PIECE HERE THAT CARVE OUT AND COME AROUND IS OWNED BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

THIS IS THE LAND USE CATEGORY I SPOKE OF WHICH IS RURAL SILVICULTURE AND THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, A SPECIFIC CATEGORY, AND IT MATCHES THAT PAIRNG FOR 12 SMILE SWHAWM THRAWNS UP HERE, THIS NORTH-SOUTH AREA AND REPRESENTS THAT UNDER BANDING TO THE WEST. THE PUBLIC LAND USE YOU SEE WAS NEAR ONE OF OUR OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TODAY.

THAT REPRESENTS THE GAINES ROAD TRAINING CENTER.

SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WITHIN AN AREA DESIGNATED FOR DEVELOPMENT AS RESIDENTIAL B. THIS PROVIDES FOR A MAXIMUM OF UP TO 237 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IT'S AN TRACTIVE INFILL NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT ITS PROXIMITY HERE TO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AS WELL AS TO THE ROADWAY NETWORKS TO CONNECT ON IT, WHETHER YOU'RE DESTINATION IS NORTH OR SOUTH ON US-1 OR OUT TO STATE ROAD 16 TO ENJOY SOME OF THE SHOPPING AREAS THERE OR TO VISIT THE HISTORIC STRE CITY.

IN SUMMARY IT'S NEAR ALL THE COMMERCIAL OFFICE.

CERTAINLY OUR COUNTY COMPLEX WHERE WE ARE HERE AND EDUCATION AND UNT EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS AND ANY CHILDREN THAT LIVE THERE IN THE COMMUNITY.

THIS NOW CARRIES FORWARD. LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ZONING. IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE WHAT WE'RE REZONING FROM, OPEN RURAL WHICH IS THAT BROAD CATEGORY THAT PROVIDES FOR A RANGE OF AGRICULTURAL TYPE USES, OPEN PASSIVE TYPE USES AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL WITH SPECIFIC AREA HEIGHT AND BULK REGULATIONS. LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL B.

THIS IS PROVIDING FOR A COMPLIMENTARY RESIDENTIAL AND P LAND USE. WHILE THE OPEN RURAL AROUND US TO THE WEST IS THE WATER MLT DISTRICT LANDS, REALLY WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE'RE SEEING THIS NOT AS AGRICULTURAL USES ALONG THE AREA BUT WE'RE SEEING RESIDENTIAL USES.

SO OUR PROPOSAL FOR A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY IS SIMILAR TO THE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT WE SEE WITHIN THE OPEN RURAL AND THAT RESIDENTIAL B COMMUNITY THAT'S AROUND THIS AREA.

I'D LIKE TO FOCUS IN ON BECAUSE OUR EASKS WHERE WE HAVE FOR PORTER ROAD AND ON THE NEWSY, THIS ZOOMS IN AND GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE VARIETY IF YOU WILL AND THE TYPES OF ZONE DISTRICTS THAT ARE AT THAT INTERSECTION OF MINUY, OLD LEWIS FEED WAY AND LEWIS SPEEDWAY. YOU'LL NOTE IN THIS RED COLOR IT'S COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S ALSO DESIGNATED COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THAT PROVIDES FOR A RANGE OF COMMERCIAL USES HERE ON THE NEWSY AND OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY. AND YOU START ON TO SEE OTHER

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SO I'M SHOWING YOU A COUPLE OF CON TEXTED WHERE WE ARE LOCATIONALLY WHY THERE IS AN TRACTIVE PIECE AND LET'S LOOK WITHIN THE SITE PLAN FOR OUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH WITH A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND THIS IS THE RESULT OF SOME EARLY INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED TO HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS HERE, ONE OUT TO PORTER ROAD TO THE NORTH THAT YOU SEE HERE AND THEN ONE, THE MAIN ONE LOCATED HERE ON MENU 6:00, THIS IS THE EAST-WEST ROAD AND MENU 6:00 RUNS NORTH-SOUTH.

WE COLOR CODED THIS MAP. THERE'S STANDARD BLACK AND WHITE PLANS, AND A LOT OF WHAT THE SITE ITSELF IN CLUSTERING IS LOTZ IN THAT BLACK AND WHITE CONTEXT, SO WE COLORED IN THE AREAS THAT ARE REPRESENTED AS EITHER PARKS, PRESERVED WETLANDS OR THE UPLANDS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

ALTOGETHER THAT REPRESENTS 44% OF THE SITE IS RESERVED IN SOME TYPE OF EITHER PRESERVED WETLANDS OR THEIR ASSOCIATED UPLAND BUFFERS, UPLAND SPACE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT OR PARKS.

OUTSIDE OF THAT PERCENTAGE IS THEN YOU ADD IN THE MASTER STORM WATER SYSTEM THAT YOU SEE THERE IN THAT BLUE COLOR.

SO WE KNOW THAT OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS HAVE BEEN CHANGED SO THAT WE PROVIDE FOR OWN SITE DRAINAGE.

WE HANDLE THESE ITEMS. WITH THAT WE DON'T DISTRIBUTE OUT THE SIZE OF THE LOTS WITHIN THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

WE CLUSTER THOSE LOTS. SO YOU SEE THAT ARRANGEMENT HERE WHERE WE HAVE A CLUSTERING OF THE LOTS WITHIN EACH OF THESE WETLAND PRESERVE AREAS THAT REPRESENT AGAIN 44% OF THE SITE AND THE CLUSTERING AREA. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS WE WENT THROUGH OUR CHANGES WITH THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE MODIFIED A FEW ELEMENTS TO ADD ON, AND YOU'LL SEE IN A FEW SLIDES COMING FORWARD THAT WE HAVE ADDED IN A 20-FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER EXPANDING THAT FROM THE CODE REQUIREMENT.

THE CODE WOULD SAY THAT RESIDENTIAL, NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL WOULD NOT NEED TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF BUFFER.

OUR PUD STANDARDS WOULD HAVE A MINIMUM OF 10-FOOT SEPARATION THAT PERIMETER BUFFER, AND WE INCREASED THAT TO 20 FEET TO PROVIDE FOR WHERE YOU HAVE THOSE LIMITD AREAS OF LOTS ALONG THESE SHARED BOUNT RIS. AGAIN, THIS GREEN PLAN REALLY HELPS TO US RELAY THAT A MAJORITY OF PERIMETER ITSELF RETAINS AS WHAT WE EXPERIENCE THE SITE TO BE NOW, PRESERVED SPACE, UPLAND SPACE, AND IN THOSE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE LOTS OF JOINING, THEY EITHER ARE THE LARGER LOTS OR THEY HAVE A 20-FOOT BUFFER. THEY ARE ALONG THE NORTH AS WELL AS ALONG THE SOUTHERN AREA THAT YOU SEE HERE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE LOTS PROPOSED AS WELL. SO I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, AND I THINK THE FOLKS, I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF FAMILIAR FACES FROM COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WE WERE STILL IN REVIEW.

WE FILED IN 2020 DURING THE COVID REVIEW IT STALLED OUR PROJECT RESLEW REVIEW BECAUE HAD TO WAIT WHEN TRAFFIC WOULD RESUME TO NORMAL SO THAT WE COULD TAKE IN OUR TRAFFIC COUNTS AND RESUME THE PROCESS, BUT THAT ULTIMATELY GAVE AS YOU CHANCE TO CONNECT, AND APRIL 27TH IS WHEN WE HAD OUR FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING. OUR PLANNING STAFF HELPED US HOST THOSE MEETINGS OVER AT THE PERMIT CENTER SO IT GAVE US SPACE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATE.

AT THAT APRIL 27TH MEETING IS WHERE WE PRESENTED THE ALTERNATE PLAN WHERE WE HAD HEARD THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD PREFER TO HAVE TWO CONNECTION POINTS RATHER THAN ALL OUT OF ONE SPOT, TO RATHER MAINTAIN THAT COMMUNITY CHARACTER, AND SO AT THAT FIRST MEETING ON APRIL 27TH IS WHEN WE PRESENTED THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE NOW WITH THAT CONNECTION POINT.

THAT WAS A GREAT TIME FOR TO US GET TOGETHER AND SHARE INFORMATION. THERE I WAS LOT OF MISINFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE PROJECT IS, WHAT'S THE INFORMATION, AND HOW DO YOU REALLY JUST TALK THROUGH THE REGULATORY STANDARDS FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES.

SO WE SPENT THE NEXT SERIES OF MEETINGS GETTING INTO HIGH DETAIL ABOUT TRAFFIC AND TRIP DISTRIBUTIONS, AND A LOT OF THIS PRESENTATION IS BUILT ON THAT. BUT LET ME JUST MOVE THROUGH REALLY QUICKLY SOME OF THESE AGREEMENTS.

THE FIRST THREE CAME OUT OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

THE FOURTH IS A CHANGE THAT'S A DEVELOPER COMMITMENT THROUGH THE REVIEW. BUT AGAIN, WE LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY. THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT BUFFER INCREASED FROM THE TEN THAT'S THE STANDARD TO 20.

THAT'S BEEN ADDED. THEY TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FENCING AND NOT ON HAVING IT ON THE PERIMETER BUT ALSO INCREASING THE STANDARD HEIGHT FROM 6 TO 8.

AND THEN BEING CLEAR ABOUT WHERE THE SIDEWALKS ARE ALONG THE PROPERTY FRONTAGE THERE FROM MENUSI AND PORTER ROAD.

THAT LAST BIT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE WORKED OUT WITH YOUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNING STAFF ABOUT WHERE TO MEMORIALIZE THE OLD KINGS ROAD WHICH IS OFF-SIGHT OF OUR PROJECT TO PUT ON THAT INTERNAL PARK. THIS HIGHLIGHTS WHERE THAT 20-FOOT BUFFER IS. I KNOW AT THIS SCALE OF 165 ACRES, SEEING THAT CALL OUT IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT BUT THAT'S WHERE WE SEE THAT 20-FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER.

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WE CALL THIS THE POND PARCEL. IT'S AN EXISTING POND.

IT WAS PART OF THE WHOLE FAMILY TRUST OF WHEN IT WAS DEFINED.

THIS IS OUR ROADWAY CONNECTION AS THIS IS MENUSI ON THIS EAST-WEST ROAD. I'M GOING TO WALK US THROUGH A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS. THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY MEETING WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT ACCESS, INTEREXESKT AND TRIP DISTRIBUTIONS, INCLUDING HOW DO WE CALCULATE TRIP DISTRIBUTIONS, WHAT DOES THE COUNTY REQUIRE AND WHAT'S THE WHAT. SO I THINK THIS HELPS US EXPLAIN THAT WHERE OUR PROJECT IS AND WHERE TRAFFIC WILL GO AND WHY IT GOES, KIND OF JUST ACTIVATING THIS SITE, IF IT WILL PUM TO SHOW WHERE OUR FULL MEDIAN ARE. YOU SEE WHAT POPPED IN.

THAT ORANGE CIRCLE IS WHERE FIP COMES OUT AT IEWNCHTS 1.

THAT'S A FULL LIKELY WHEN YOU WERE DOING YOUR SITE VISITS YOU MIGHT HAVE ENTERED IN THAT WAY TO NAVIGATE AROUND TO WHAT WOULD BE THE PORTER ROAD CONNECTION. YOU CERTAINLY DRIVE BY IT ON OUR WAY TOTE COUNTY COMPLEX. THIS IS OUR COUNTY COMPLEX INTERSECTION HERE. WE SEE PATTERNS TRAFFIC SHOWING THAT INTERCONNECTIVITY. THIS IS SPECIFIC TO GIVE US AND RELAY TO US WHAT ARE THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTHS WITHIN THE LOCAL ROAD NETWORK, THE PUBLIC LOCAL ROAD NETWORK WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND IT SHOWS GENERALLY WHERE OUR CONNECTION POINTS WOULD BE, AND THE DOTTED LINE SHOWING THE ROUTE OF TRACK OF AGAIN BASED ON THOSE DESTINATIONS OR DIRECTION POINTS FROM WHERE THE FULL MEDIAN OPENING EXISTS AT US-1 AND THEN WHERE WE HAVE THE SIGNAL JUST OFF-SITE AT US-1 WHERE WE COME DOWN. THE EASIEST ROUTE OF TRAVEL, ALSO BASED ON WHERE THAT CONNECTION IS IN YOUR DESTINATION, YOU'LL HEAD OUT PORTER TO 5TH TO GET TO US-1, AND AGAIN THE CONNECTION POINT FROM MENS TO GET OUT TO OLD WHRIDZ SPEEDWAY. I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TRIPT DISTRIBUTION. SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS BECAUSE IT WAS IN OUR COMMUNITY DISTRIBUTION.

GENERALLY THE TRAFFIC IS DISTRIBUTED BETWEEN 60% HEADING OUT THE MENUSI WAY AND 40% HEADING OUT PORTER AGAIN BASED ON THOSE ROUTES OF TRAVEL AS WE'LL SEE ON THE MAP.

ONCE THEY HIT THE ROAD WAIVE US-1, THEN THEY GO IN A DIFFERENT PATTERN OF WHAT'S HEADING NORTH-SOUTH.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WHERE OUR DESTINATION WOULD BE, WORK DOWN IN ST. AUGUSTINE AND HOW WE'RE HEADING OUT TO STATE ROAD 16. WHEN WE LOOK AND EVALUATE OUR MITIGATION, WE'RE HUNTING FOR THE ROADWAY TRIPS IN THE P.M.

PEAK OUR HOUR. THAT'S DEFINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS IS WHAT OUR MAP LOINGS.

TO OVERIENT THIS, IN THE WHITE LINE IS THE PROJECT TRIP DISTRIBUTION, THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT WOULD EXIT OUT USING THE PORTER ROAD CONNECTION, THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT WOULD EXIT OUT USING THE MENUSI ROAD COMPENSATION ONCE THEY HIT THAT SYSTEM WHERE DO THEY GO AND WHY? WHY ARE THOSE DESTINATIONS AND ORIGINS THAT THEY ARE ATTRACTED TO? REAL CRITICAL QUICKLY TO GO THROUGH, SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS REALLY WANTED TO KNOW HOW DO YOU GET TO AN AVERAGE TRAFFIC RATE? HOW DOES THAT WORK? WHAT ARE THE RIRMTS? SO WE ACCEPTED THROUGH WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES FOUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS USING OUR TRIP GENERATION AND YOU HAVE HEARD ME BALK THE I.T. TRIP GENERATION AND THE TRAFFIC COUNT. IT'S TO PRIEWFT WHILE YOU MAUVE IN YOUR ON PERSONAL USE MORE THAN ONE OR TWO CARS IN OPERATION ON AVERAGE, THIS IS WHAT THE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL AND THE COUNTY HAS SEVERINO TIME AND WHY WE CAN RELY ON THESE NUMBERS AS WE GO SUCCESSFUL FOR WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO CONSIDER IMPACTS. THIS ALSO, WE WANTED TO BUTTON THAT UP WITH THOSE ARE THE WAYS, THE METHODOLOGY THAT YOU CAN ANALYZE FOR THE TRAFFIC ANNAL SUS BUT LET'S SHORE IT UP WITH LOCAL SUBDIVISION STUDIES HERE FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

SO THIS TABLE WAS SHARED WITH THE COMMUNITY TO SHOW THAT BANDING IS SPECIFICALLY FOR WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE MAINS-WHRIS SPEEDWAY NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS PLUS SOME OF THAT TRAFFICS FROM THE EXISTING SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT ARE LOCATED RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF MENUSI, LEWIS AND THE SPEED WRAY.

THEY ARE BOKD IN. THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENTS, THEY'RE UNIT RANGES. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE A.M. PEAK TO SEE HOW YOU THE LINES UP WITH THE DIFFERENT, YOU CAN COMPARE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS, AND THEN WHAT WE HUNT FOR, HAVE TO PROVE OUT TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF ABOUT HOW THAT FALLS WITHIN THE RANGE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SO IF THE TRIP RATES ARE LOWER THAN OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND WE'RE MITIGATING FOR A HIGHER TRIP RATE, THEN WE'RE WELL EXCEEDING WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND SPEND SOME TIME AND SHARE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT STUDIES WITH THE COMMUNITY SO THEY SEE THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. JUST TO WRAP UP A FEW OTHER POINTS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S NOT TRIPS, YOU DO THE ANALYSIS IN THE MODEL BASE, BUT WE ALSO TOOK IN TRAFFIC COUNTS, AND THIS GETS TO THE POINT ABOUT WHEN WE CAN TAKE TRAFFIC COUNTS AND THE EFFECT COVID AND WHEN WE NEED TO OKALOOSA WORK WHY YOUR

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THIS COMBINES ALL THE TRAFFIC COUNTS WE HAVE TAKEN.

I HAVE FOCUSED FOR THIS PRESENTATION JUST ON THE P.M.

PEAK OUR, ONE FOR EXPEDIENCY BUT THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK FOR TO MITIGATE. YOU SEE WE HAVE NINE LOCATIONS OF HOST COUNTS AND WHERE WE HAVE DIRECTIONAL ARROWS FOR INTERSECTION ANALYSIS HA WE HAVE SUPPLIED TO YOUR STAFF.

SO REAL QUICKLY WHAT THIS WILL DO, BECAUSE OF THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NORTH TO SEE, AND WE CAN FOCUS ON IF THERE NRS EQUITABLE SYSTEM QUESTIONS, REALLY IT'S RELAYING TO WE TOOK A SERIES OF TRAFFIC COUNTS TO GET WHAT IS THE CURRENT TRAFFIC NOW ON THE ROADWAYS, HOW THAT WAS ANALYZED SO THAT WE KNOW WHEN WE ADD IN OUR PROJECT TRAFFIC WHAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL COMBINED TRAFFIC, AND IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO KNOW IF IT TRIGGERS ANY ROADWAY STAT US.

THE NEXT IS THE IS DOWN IS TO THE SOUTHERN END AND THIS GIVES US THAT LOCALIZED AREA WHERE WE'RE TAKING IN TRAFFIC COUNTS ON MENUSI, AND CUTTING IN ON OLD LEWIS ON THE SOUTHERN OR WESTERN END, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S PICKING UP THAT COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC IN OUR TOTAL TRAFFIC COUNTS.

THOSE ARE IMPORTANT. THOSE ARE TRIGGERS THAT IF YOU EXCEED 200 TRIPS PER DAY THAT INCREASES THE REQUIREMENT TO UPGRADE THE ROAD FROM A LOCAL STANDARD TO THE MINOR COLLECTOR STANDARD. SO BY HAVING THOSE TWO COLLECTION POINTS, WE MAINTAINED THE EXISTING FIND OUT COMMUNITY'S FEEL OF THE ROADWAY THAT THEY HAVE THERE NOW.

IT MEETS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDS FOR WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A LOCAL ROAD HERE IN JDGES AS WELL AS WHAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY. SO PART OF THAT IS JUST GETTING IN SIGHT OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS BUT THIS I WANTED TO PULL UP ABOUT OUR DEVELOPMENT MITIGATION.

WE ARE COMPLETING A TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS WITH YOUR TRANSPORTATION STAFF. WE WILL FEED INTO WHAT IS YOUR PROPORTIONATE SNAIR WHICH IS COMING IN AT A LITTLE UNDER $800,000. WE WOULD PROPOSE TO ASSIGN THOSE DOLLARS TO A SIGNAL TO BE INSTALLED A AVENUE D AND SAN SEBASTIAN SO WHEN WE ALL LEAVE HERE WITNESS UNLESS YOU'RE HEAD SOUTH, THAT WOULD IMPROVE HOW TRAFFIC FLOWS ON SAN SEBASTIAN AND LEWIS SPEEDWAY FOR THAT. WE'RE CONTINUING AND WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF TO COMPLETE. THEY SEEM TO BE OPEN TO THAT IDEA BUT WE HAVEN'T LOCKED THAT IN OR CERTAINLY WE'RE WILLING TO ASSIGN OUR DOLLARS THERE. REGARDING SCHOOLS, WE HAVE FULL CAPACITY. WE HAVE A LETTER FRLT SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT SAYS THEY HAVE FULL CAPACITY AT ALL LEVEL OF ELEMENTARY, SO NO ADDITIONAL MITIGATION WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, WHILE I TBAWKSD MITIGATION ITSELF -- TALKED ABOUT MITIGATION IS IMPROVEMENTS TO OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

IF YOU IMAGINE THERE'S A SIGNAL OFF-SCREEN WHERE WE ARE AT AVENUE D AND SAN SEBASTIAN, THED IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE OFF-SITE MEANING FROM THEIR PROJECT BUT ON OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY, IMPROVE TRNGS AND THE TRAVEL EXPERIENCE FOR FOLKS ON OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY. I'LL BEGIN IN THE SOUTH.

NESS HAD IN YOUR PACT AS PART OF THE MILLION DOLLAR.

YOU CAN MDP WHERE THE TAPER WOULD BEGIN FOR THE LEFT-HAND TURN LANE AS YOU'RE HEADING INTO THE CURVE TO HEAD TO THE COUNTY COMPLEX OR US-1. NOW HAVE A PLACE TO STAGE OR QUEUE TO GET OFF OF WHAT MAY FEEL LIKE TRAFFIC PRESSURE AS YOUR COMING ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY WHICH IS A CURRENT CONDITION OR EXPERIENCE THAT FOLKS TO HAVE LIVE HERE AND TURN ON MENUSI.

WITH THAT COMES IN STRIPING OR GORING OF THE LINE COMING IN SOUTH, AND THAT PROVIDES FOR A GREATER GAPPING OR VISIBILITY FOR FOLKS HERE ON HORSESHOE. SO CURRENTLY I DON'T THINK EVERYTHING IS BEING MAINTAINED AS FAR AS BUFFERING WHEN YOU HAVE THAT HEIGHT DISTANCE FOR HORSESHOE ROAD NORTH SO THAT PROVIDES FOR THAT GAPPING AND CERTAINLY GIVES YOU A SPOT TO TURN IN WHEN YOU'RE HEADED ON OLD LEWIS INTO MENUSI.

YOU ALSO SEE THE TURN LANE. WHEN YOU SAID WOARS SOUTH U. TO GET OUT OF TRAFFIC YOU CAN TURN ON LEWIS OR SPEEDWAY.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE TWO SIDEWALKS THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ALONG THE PROM FRONTAGE FOR PORTER AND MENUSI.

SO WITH THAT, THAT'S A SUMMARY OF EVERYTHING WE'RE KIND OF HITTING ABOUT BUFFERS AND EDGES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CLUSTERING IN THOSE UNITS FOR THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, CLUSTERING IN THE UNITS, PRESERVING 44% OF THE SITE WENT WETLANDS AND UPLNLDZ IN YOUR PARK SPACE, BRINGING IN AN EDUCATIONAL KIOSK THAT WILL MEMORIALIZE THE HISTORIC LOCATIONS OFF-SITE, AND THOSE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS IN ADDITION TO WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PROP SHARE DOLLARS ASSIGNED FOR AVENUE D AND LEWIS SPEEDWAY. THAT ALL REPRESENTS THE ENTITLEMENTS AND MITIGATION IMPROVEMENT THAT WE DO FOR AN INFILL PROJECTS THAT'S LOCATED HERE NEXT TO THE CITY.

WE HAVE A CONSIST OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. WE'RE TRANSITIONING TO SINGLE FAMILY AWAY FROM THE EAST, AND THEN WE HAVE THOSE ACCESS CONNECTIONS TO THE MAJOR TRNGS NETWORK TRANSPORTATION NETWK

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I'LL MAKE MYSTIFIES SPHRIECIALT TEAM OR IF YOU'D TO GO STRAIGHT INTO COMMENT SINCE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE REST OF OUR

PRESENTATION HERE TODAY. >> MR. MATOVINA: BEFORE WE GET THERE, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SPART COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE?

MR. MILLER. >> MR. MILLER: I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH MR. SANDERS WHO REPRESENTS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, I BELIEVE. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT ANY SUBSTANCE BUT I KNOW HE REQUESTED A DEFERRAL, AND I THINK I SPOKE TO MR. BURNETT ABOUT THAT.

IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE MR. BURNETT WAS OPEN TO A DEFERRAL THOUGH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ANYBODY ELSE?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I DROVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS EXTENSIVELY AS I COULD ON SUNDAY WITH MY WIFE.

WE DROVE UP SARTILL OH, UP PORTER, PORTER ROAD EXTENSION, WENT AROUND THERE, PORTER ROAD EXTENSION BECOMES A DIRT ROAD AND THEN IT CURVES ON AROUND. WENT UP MENUSI ROAD.

I ALSO SPOKE WITH CARLA COURTO AND JOHN CORDIC.

PROBABLY WE ALL RECEIVED THIS LETTER.

SHERRY SENT IT OUT OH JUNE 7TH AND TOLD THE PSE MEMBERS.

CARLA MAXWELL IS REQUESTING TO SPEAK WITH ALL OF US OR TO SHOW US THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I DIDN'T CALL HER UNTIL LAST WEEK BECAUSE I HADN'T SEEN THIS AGENDA ITEM.

, BUT I DID SPEAK WITH HER AND JOHN CORDIC BOTH ABOUT THE PROJECT AND ABOUT MY CONCERNS AND I HEARD THEIR CONCERNS.

AND THEN I ALSO TRADED EMAILS WITH LINDSEY HAGUE A AND SHE CALLED ME YESTERDAY. I WAS NOT ABLE TO CALL HER BACK BUT WE DID EMAIL BACK AND FORTH.

SO I HAVE LOOKED AT IT. I COULDN'T GET A REALLY GOOD LOOK AT THE PROJECT FROM THE ROADS.

PART OF I. ALONG PORTER ROAD SURE, THE END OF MENUSI AND ALL BUT VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE ALL OF IT, BUT I WILL SAY AT THIS TIME THAT I HAVE ONE WORD FOR THE PROPERTY, AND THAT IS WET.

[APPLAUSE] >> MR. MATOVINA: FOLKS, THERE ARE TO BE NO OUTBURSTS DURING A PUBLIC HEARING.

PLEASEY HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE OR BOOS OR GUFFAWS FOR OUTSIDE THE ROOM. MS. PERKINS.

>> MS. PERKINS: I SAT WITH MR. BURNETT THIS AFTERNOON.

WE BRIEFLY DISCUSSED THE PROJECT AND I WENT AND LOOKED AT THE

PROPERTY. >> MR. MATOVINA: AND I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. PIEBURN ON THE PHONE YESTERDAY ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THE EFFORTS THEY HAVE MADE TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND MS. HAGA AND I EXCHANGED A COUPLE OF EMAILS, SO I THINK THAT CONCLUDES OUR EX PARTE.

ANY OTHER EX PARTE? ALL RIGHT.

NOW, LET'S GO INTO QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT FROM AGENCY MEMBERS. DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: MS. HAGA, YOU MAY NOT BE THE BEST TO ANSWER THIS AND IT MIGHT BE COUNTY STAFF, BUT WHEN I WAS UP THERE ON SUNDAY I DROVE ALL AROUND LOOKING FOR ANY ORANGE SIGNS SHOWING THIS WAS GOING TO BE A PUBLICALLY-HEARD ITEM.

I COULDN'T FIND ANYWHERE. SARTILL OH, AVENUE D, BOARDER, MENUSI, I COULDN'T FIND ANY ORANGE SIGNS SAYING THIS IS GOING TO BE THE OPPORTUNITY OF A HEARING FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SIGNS. WERE THERE EVER ANY PUT OUT?

>> SPEAKER: JOE CEREALY IS COMING UP TO ADDRESS YOU.

JOE CEARLEY. >> DR. HILSENBECK: I SEE SIGNS IN ALL THE OTHER PLACES I VISIT, BUT NONE THERE.

>> SPEAKER: FOR THE RECORD JOE CEARLEY, GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

YES, WE PLACED SIGNS OUT. A PICTURE WAS TAKEN.

AFFIDAVIT ALSO. I DID ANOTHER SITE VISIT A COUPLE WEEKS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.

ONE OF THE SIGNS WAS REMOVED THAT I HAD PLACED.

I WENT AND POSTED ANOTHER ONE OUT THERE.

SO IF THERE WERE NO SIGNS OUT THERE, THAT MEANS THEY WERE REMOVED ONCE AGAIN SO I'LL HAVE TO GO OUT AND PUT MORE SIGNS BEFORE THE BCC, BUT THEY WERE PLACED.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: NEXT QUESTION.

IT WAS STATED IN YOUR APPLICATION MATERIALS OUT OF THE 151 PAGES THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A FLUX MAP, FLORIDA LAND USE COVERED CLASSIFICATION MAP OF THE VEGETATIVE COMMUNITIES AND ALL THAT, SO I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT, AND I PLOWED THROUGH ALL THE APPLICATION, I READ IT SEVERAL TIMES. I NEVER SAW A MAP LIKE THAT WITH THE PLANT COMMUNITIES ON IT. I NEVER SAW AN ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT. THERE WAS A VERY LENGTHY ARCHAEOLOGICAL REPORT, LOINGD IT HAD BEEN COBBLED TOGETHER FROM

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THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE, REALLY INTERESTING AND ALL, BUT THERE WAS NO ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT ABOUT THE PROJECT. IN FACT, THE ONLY STATEMENTS I SAW, IT SAID THAT THE PROJECT CONSISTS AGRICULTURE UPLAND FOREST AND WETLANDS. NO SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITIES. THIS WAS THE DESCRIPTION OF THE VEGETATION ON THE PROPERTY. SLASH PINE.

DENSE AND SAW PALMETTO WITH WILD VINE AND GRASSES.

THAT IS REALLY NOT AN ADEQUATE CHARACTERIZATION OF A PROJECT.

THAT'S REALLY AN ELEMENTARY RI LEVEL.

PLUS, PINEUUS ELLIOTTY AT THAT ELEVATION DOES NOT EVEN OCCUR HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. SO I QUESTION THAT.

BUT I WAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED THERE WAS NO ENVIRONMENTAL

REPORT WHATSOEVER. >> SPEAKER: IT WAS.

I THINK, DR. HILSENBECK, MAYBE IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN STAFF REPORT PACKET I THINK BUT WE FILED THAT OLDER ON WITH OUR REVIEW FROM ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, INC. TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WITH THE TYPE OF REPORT THAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING WHERE WE LOOK AT THE LAND USE COVER, SOILS, AND WE LOOK AT SPECIES AND HUNT FOR THAT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE PERHAPS IT JUST WASN'T AN EXHIBIT INTO YOUR PACKET, BUT IT WAS ALL PART OF OUR SUBMITTAL AND SOMETHING WE HAVE WALKED THROUGH WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND WHY WE HAVE SIGN-OFF FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL DIVISION THAT WE CHECK THAT BOX.

WE MUST HAVE THAT. IT'S ONE OF YOUR REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE -- I CAN LEND YOU MINE IF YOU'D LIKE TO REVIEW IT WHILE WE GO INTO DISCUSION.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: IT'S A BIT LATE.

AND THIS IS NOT DIRECTED AT YOU.

BUT THAT 151-PAGE PACKET INCLUDED THAT.

ROUGHLY 45 PAIGE ARCHAEOLOGICAL REPORT AND DIDN'T INCLUDE THE BIOLOGICAL REPORT, AND I WAS TOLD EARLY ON WHEN I WAS ON THIS BOARD THAT, OH, WELL YOU SCNT EVER CAN'T ASK TO SEE AN ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT. THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY LAST MONTH, AND, YOU KNOW, SORRY YOU DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT -- I JUST CAN'T VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN THE BOY LOGICAL BIOLOGICAL PRIORITY. WANT TO SEE WETLAND BOUNDARIES DELINEATED OUT THERE, A LEAST THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL REPORT DID MENTION THE SOIL TYPES. THOSE WERE MENTIONED.

I WILL SAY THAT OUT OF TEN SOIL TYPES ON THE PROPERTY, EIGHT OF THEM ARE VERY POORLY DRAINED OR POORLY DRAINED.

I MEAN, A LOT OF THAT IS CYPRESS SWAMP OUT THERE, WHAT I WOULD CALL HYDRO CAMMIC. IT IS WET OUT THERE.

EVEN THOUGH I COULDN'T GET TO A LOT OF IT.

I DON'T DOUBT THERE'S PINE PLANTATION OUT THERE THAT I COULDN'T SEE VERY WELL, BUT IT'S WET.

EVEN THE TWO BEST DRAINING SOILS OUT THERE, THE ZULFO AND POTSFORD FINE SANDS ARE ONE OF THEM IS SOMEWHAT POORLY DRAINED AND THE THE OTHER IS ALSO SOMEWHAT POORLY DRAINED BUT THOSE ONLY MAKE UP 0.02 ACRES OF THE PROJECT AND 7.7 ACRES RESPECTIVELY, SO THAT'S A MINUSCULE AMOUNT OF THE PROJECT THAT HAS EVEN IN MY MIND, WHETHER IT BE POTENTIALLY DEFINITELIABLE DEFINITEY DEVELOPABLE SOILS.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BUT I'VE GOT SOME OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT BUT I'LL PERHAPS SAVE THOSE.

>> LET'S LOOK AGAIN AT THIS GLAM RIDES PLAN IF YOU WILL OR THE GREENING OF THAT PLAN. AGAIN, THIS LOOKS AT 44% OF THE SITE IS IN PRESERVED WETLANDS. OF ALL THE WETLANDS ON THE SITE, WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER 50 ACRES, THERE'S 4-POINT THEY ACRES OF WETSLAND IMPACT. THAT'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT FOR THAT ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITY. AND SOME OF THOSE IMPACTS, DR. HILSENBECK, TAKEN IN FOR THAT INTERCONNECTION POINT HERE TO CONNECT IN WHAT WE CAN CALL THE SOUTHERN AREA OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTHERN AREA IN THOSE WETLAND IMPACTS.

I WOULD LIKE ALSO TO SAY, THOUGH, THAT WE DID MEET THAT TEST OF PRESERVATIVING WHICH IS WHY THE ITEM IS HERE READY FOR THE BOARD, AND YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING STAFF DID CONFIRM THAT IT MEETS THE STANDARDS THAT ARE ADOPTED BUY THE STJ LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND IT'S REMISS THAT YOU DID NOT GET THAT INFORMATION WHEN IT WAS PROVIDED BUT THIS SITE PLAN SHOWS 41ST% HAVE THE SITE PLAN IS PRESERVED.

THE WETLANDS CAN CAN'T BE -- BY THE JURISDICTIONAL EANDLE.

YOUR PLAN WOULD NAIR SO THAT BACK DOWN IN AND THAT'S IMPORTANT ON SEQUENCING SO WE ANGELINA SHOW WHAT THE WETLANDS ARE, LIMIT OURSELVES TO WHAT THOSE IMPACTS WILL BE SO YOU ALL HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND THE STAFF HAS THAT INFORMATION MOVING FORWARD TORE SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO REST ASSURED THAT YOUR TECHNICAL STAFF HAS

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>> DR. HILSENBECK: I WAS PROVIDED THAT WAS NOT PROVIDED TO US. DID ANYONE ON THE BOARD GET IT? IT WAS NOT IN THE PACKET AND I REALLY EXPECTED IT TO BE FOR A PROJECT OF THIS SCOPE AND NATURE AND A SITE OF THIS CHARACTER AND SOIL TYPES OUT THERE. I REALLY THINK THAT WAS WAY MORE IMPORTANT TO PUT IN THAN A ARCHAEOLOGICAL REPORT WHICH FOUND BASICALLY NOTHING IN 45 PAGES OR WHATEVER.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROADS. WHEN I DROVE OUT SARTILLO AND THEN PORTER, THOSE ARE NARROW ROADS, PARTICULARLY PORTER.

THERE'S A LARGE OAK TREE RIGHT THERE IN FREQUENTLY MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, YOU'VE GOT TO CURVE AROUND.

I JUST DON'T SEE HOW 233 CAR TRIPS PER HOUR -- I KNOW THAT'S JUST PEAK HOUR FROM 4:00 TO 6:00 P.M. -- BUT 233 CAR TRIPS PER HOUR IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COMING DOWN EITHER MENUSI OR PORTER ROAD AND THEN TRYING GOAFORT TO US-1, YOU'VE GOT TO CUSS ACROSS FOURTH UP BY AVENUE D I THINK AND IT IS AND THEN OVER TO FIFTH BY US-1. THERE WERE CHILDREN PLAYING OUT IN THE STREET WHEN MY WIFE AND I DROVE OUT THERE, AND I JUST CAN'T SEE THOSE NARROW ROADS, BUT ALL YOUR PROPORTIONATE SHARE MONEY NIGH TRAFFIC LIGHT WHEN THOSE ROADS WOULD NOT HANDLE, IN MY OPINION, THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AT ALL.

I'M NO TRAFFIC EXPERT BUT 233 ADDITIONAL PER HOUR TRIPS ON THOSE ROADS BACK IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? IT JUST SEEMS TOTAL OUT OF CHARACTER.

>> SPEAKER: AND WE SPENT A LOT OF OUR TIME THERE IN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO EXPLAIN THAT AND HOW THE STANDARDS FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE LOCAL ROADS DO PROVIDE FOR THOSE SERVICE VIEWMENTS WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT THE LOCAL ROADS ARE INTENDED TO DESIGN FOR, HAVE A LOW SPEED, AND THAT VOLUME OF TRAFFIC TO CONNECT INTO WHAT ARE THE COLLECTOR ROADWAYS THAT WE HAVE FOR LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND OUT TO US-1.

SO ITZ MEETS TOWS STANDARDS TRARNGDZ PAVEMENT WIDTH, THE DISTRIBUTION OF TRIPS OUT TO PORED ROAD, FIFTH AND US-1 AND THEN AGAIN OUT THE CONNECTION TO MENUSI.

SO THAT WAS A BIG PART OF OUR DISCUSSION IN EXPLAINING HOW WE GET TO WHAT IS A TRIP GENERATION RATE BUT FOR THIS MAXIMUMS AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT AND HOW AT A PIPELINES TO CONNECTIONS THERE FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. I CAN FLIP BACK TO SOME OF THOSE SLIDES IF YOU LIKE OR CALL MR. JEFFRYY UP HERE TO WALK US THROUGH SOME OF THOSE DETAILS. WE GOT INTO LOGARITHMIC EQUATIONS DURING OUR COMMUNITY MEETING BUT AT YOUR PLEASURE.

THAT'S THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT.

IT'S SHOWING HOW WE COMPLY WITH THE CODE REQUIRMENTS FOR THOSE CONNECTIONS, HOW THOSE LOCAL ROADS MEET THAT STANDARD FOR WHAT'S ESTABLISHED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND HOW WE WOULD MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO SIDEWALKS FOR THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION WHICH IS THAT REQUIREMENT TO HAVE ALONG YOUR PROPERTY FRONTAGE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: OKAY. I DON'T NEED TO SEE ANYTHING ELSE PFC I'VE READ THE APPLICATION AT LEAST THREE TIMES ELECTRICALLY. I AM CONCERNED ALSO THAT -- YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS THIS -- THIS PROPERTY PARTIALLY ENCOMPASSES THE HEAD WASTERS SAN SEBASTIAN RIVER THAT HEAD UP RIGHT IN THAT AREA, JUST OFF TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE PROJECT, BUT THERE ARE WETLANDS IN THERE CLEARLY SHOWN ON THE TOPO.

AS. YOU DO NOT HAVE A TOPO MAP IN HERE I THINK IN THIS PRESENTATION BUT THERE WERE IN THE APPLICATION. BUT THAT'S PART OF THE HEAD WATERS OF SAN SEBASTIAN RIVER WHICH, OF COURSE, DRAINS INTO THE MATANZAS RIVER, MA TANSAZ BAY ESTUARY AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WATER QUALITY IMPACTS TO ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT WATERWAYS IN OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.

I KNOW YOU'LL SAY YOU'VE GOT STORM WATER PONDS AND ALL THAT.

BUT WHEN YOU IMPACT WETLANDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT WATER QUALITY AND POTENTIALLY QUANTITY FLOWING INTO THE SAN SEBASTIAN RIVER AND ULTIMATELY MATANZAS RIVER.

SO THAT IS A MAJOR CONCERN OF MINE.

>> SPEAKER: ON THAT CONNECTION, AGAIN, GENERALLY YES IS ANSWER IS THAT ABOUT THE MASTER STORM WATER DRAINAGE, ABOUT KEEPING OUR PRE-DEVELOPMENT AND OUR POST-DEVELOPMENT THE SAME. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE AMOUNT OF PONDS WE HAVE AND THIS IN THEIR LOCATIONS WITH THE COMPENSATION OF WHAT AGAIN I MENTIONED AT THE START, THAT POND PARCEL.

THAT'S SEPARATE. IT'S NOT PART OF OUR MASTER STORM WATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM ABOUT WHAT WE'LL SEE BUT THAT'S WHY WE RELY THOSE LAITIONZ BY DISWRIRS DICTIONAL AGENCIES TO LOOK AT AND TO MAINTAIN THAT THE STORM STORM WATER SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE DOES NOT, AND THAT'S WHAT THE PERMIT PLIRKSZ

GEARED TO PREVENT. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S A GREAT STATEMENT. BUT I WILL SAY BROUGHT UP SOILS ON NUMEROS CASES, WHILE SITTING ON THIS BOARD, AND I'M ALWAYS SCOFFED AT OR WHATEVER FOR BRINGING UP SOILS, BUT THEY'RE

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THAT'S WHY THE COUNTY REQUIRES A SOILS MAP TO BE SUBMITTED.

AND I. IF THE ENVIRONMENTAL FOLKS IN THE COUNTY ARE LOOKING AT THOSE MAPS AND STILL SIGNING OFF THAT THIS IS A GREAT DEVELOPMENT SITE, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THESE ARE WET, WET SOILS, VERY POORLY DRAINED UP THERE, AND JUST RIGHT UP HERE, SO IF ANYONE DIDN'T DRIVE THROUGH IT, THEY NEED TO.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU, APPRECIATE YOUR

ANSWERS. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM AGENCY MEMBERS OF THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC SPEAKING TIME.

NOW, WE HAVE 16 CARDS. THAT ADDS -- PARDON ME? NOW WE HAVE 39 CARDS. BY MY CALCULATION, THAT MEANS THREE HOURS. AT THREE MINUTES APIECE.

WE'RE GOING DO ASK MR. SANDER TO SPEAK FIRST, AND WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK IS THAT PEOPLE DID NOT COME UP AND REPEAT THE SAME THING. SO, MR. SANDERS, DO YOU WANT A FEW EXTRA MINUTES? AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD WAY TO START, BUT MR. SANDERS IS REPRESENTING SEVERAL PEOPLE, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT HE'S REPRESENTING SEVERAL PEOPLE, PERHAPS WE'D ALLOW HIM A COUPLE EXTRA MINUTES BUT HE WOULD BE

THE ONLY ONE. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN AND AGENCIES MEMBERS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: BEFORE YOU LAUNCH INTO -- I WASN'T DONE YET. WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK MS. PERKINS TO DO IS READ THE NEXT TWO NAMES, AND THEN AS ONE PERSON SITS DOWN, SHE'S GOING TO READ THE NEXT NAME EXPOORKS D I'M GOING TO ASK THE NEXT TWO PEOPLE TO MOVE UP TO THAT FRONT ROW IN THE MIDDLE THAT IS CAN'T SO THAT WHEN MR. SANDERS IS DONE YOU CAN GET UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND WE CAN SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME IN BETWEEN SPEAKERS. SO WHO WOULD BE THE NEXT TWO

SPEAKERS? >> MS. PERKINS: JOAN MOORE AND

MICHELLE MOORE. >> SPEAKER: THROUGH THE CHAIR, THOSE ARE MY CLIENTS SO I'LL BE SPEAKING ON THEIR BEHALF.

>> PASTOR: PENCHTS CARLA CARTO AND BARBARA.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IF YA'LL WOULD MOVE UP TO THE FRONT ROW, THE TWO FRONT SEATS. NOW YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> SPEAKER: CARL SANDERS KJT LAW, PONTE VEDRA BEACH, FLORIDA, AND I APPRECIATE THE OFFER. YES, I HOPE YOU'RE NOT INSINUATING JUST BECAUSE I'M A LAWYER, I'M LOQUACIOUS, BUT I WILL TRY TO KEEP MY COMMENTS BRIEF.

I'M COGNIZANT OF YOUR TIME AND I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WANT TO SPEAK TODAY. MY COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THE CONCERNS AND ISSUES OF MY CLIENTS.

I REPRESENT AND HAVE FOR A VERY LONG TIME JOHNNY AND MICHELLE MOORE. JOHNNY AND MICHELLE LIVE, WHICH IS NOT IN THE PRESENTATION, NOT IN THE STAFF REPORT, THEY LIVE, OWN AND LIVE ON ABOUT 106 ACRES THAT'S DIRECTLY SOUTH ADJACENT HAD TO THIS PROPERTY. AND I DO HAVE, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THIS DIGITALIZED, AS ISSUES COME AND UP KIND OF DOING THIS A LOT ON THE FLY, BUT I DO HAVE THREE PRINT-OUTS OF AERIAL MAPS THAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD, AND IF I MAY GIVE THEM TO STAFF, AND I'VE GOT A COPY FOR LINDSAY OR MR. BURNETT AS WELL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WANT DO YOU WANT TO SHOW THOSE ON THE

OVERHEAD AS WELL? >> SPEAKER: YES.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

>> SPEAKER: JUST TO KIND AGAIN ORIENT YOU TO -- IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS UPSIDE DOWN. MY APOLOGIES.

SO AGAIN I'M HERE REPRESENTING JOHNNY AND MICHELLE MOORE.

I ALSO REPRESENT MOORE SAN SEPTIC, INC. WHICH IS JOHN'S LONGTIME FAMILY COMPANY THAT ALSO OPERATES ON THIS 106-ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY DIRECTLY SOUTH AND ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS IS NOT OUR FIRST ROW YODE.

I FIRST MET JOHNNY AND MI SHOAL 20 YEARS PANNING JOHNNY'S DAD

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JOHNNY WAS HANDED OVER THE REINS BACK IN THE 1980S AND HAS CONTINUED TO OPERATE IT, AND HE'S NOT YET READY TO RETIRE, AND IS LOOKING TO ENSURE A COUPLE THINGS EXPICIALTION BE SPEAKING FURTHER WITH LINDSAY AND MR. BURNETT ABOUT SOME ISSUES AND CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.

I'M CONFIDENT THAT THE MAJORITY IF NOT ALL OF THOSE CAN BE WORKED OUT, AND WE HOPE TO DO THAT.

I JUST NEED TO GIVE YOU SOME COLOR IF I CAN ABOUT WHAT THOSE ISSUES ARE. ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO YOU SEE THE DEVELOPMENT DOWN JUST SOUTH OF JOHNNY'S PIECE.

I THINK IT'S KNOWN AS SANSLITO. IT WAS ARMING ORIGINALLY CALLED THE NORTHRIDGE PUD BACK IN 2002, 2003.

WHEN THAT REZONING -- IT WAS FIRST BIG RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO COME IN NEXT TO JOHNNY'S OPERATIONS.

BECAUE OF THE NATURE HIS OPERATIONS AND THE PERMITTING AND REGULATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH HIS BUSINESS, THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC SEPARATION BUFFER REQUIREMENTS FOR A SEPTIC MCMANAGEMENT FACILITY WHICH HE HAS ON THE PROPERTY AND ALSO FOR A BIOSOLIDS LAND APPLICATION SITE, WHICH IS AFTER IT'S TREATED AT THE FACILITY, THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTS OF MR. MOORE'S PROPERTY WHERE IT IS THEN SPREAD AND APPLIED TO THE LAND.

BACK IN '03 MY GOOD FRIEND GEORGE MCCLURE WAS REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPERS OF NORTHRIDGE PUD, AND WHEN I TOLD GEORGE I SAW THE SITE PLAN AND I SAID, GEORGE, YOUR TOT LOT IS RIGHT NEXT TO ONE OF JOHNNY'S SPREADING FIELDS.

AND HE SAID, DEAR LORD. MY MAMA WILL KILL ME BECAUSE JOHNNY HAS BEEN AND HIS DADDY HAVE BEEN DOING MY MOM AND DAD'S SEPTIC FOR 20, 30 YEARS AND WE WORKED SOMETHING OUT AND WERE ABLE TO DO SO BEFORE IT CAME FINAL VOTE BEFORE THE BCC AND TO GET APPROVED. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL ISSUES.

THE ONLY ISSUE THAT'S DIFFERENT IS THE ACCESS ISSUE AND I'LL GO INTO THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. THE BACK IN '03 WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO AGREE TO AND I'M CONFIDENT WE WILL COME TO TERMS WITH WITH MR. BURNETT AND LINDSAY AND THEIR CLIENT ARE FOUR ISSUES, TWO OF WHICH ARE SITE PLAN ISSUES, TWO OF WHICH ARE LEGAL. THE FIRST ONE IS, OF COURSE, THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS. WE'VE GOT TO HAVE -- JOHN'S GOT TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 100 FEET BETWEEN HIS PERMITTED LAND APPLICATION SITES AND ANY HABLABLE DWELLING OR ANY -- HABITABLE DWELLING OR ANY WATER BODY WHICH IS A BROADLY DEFINED STATUTORY TERM THAT INCLUDES BOTH INJURES DICTIONAL WETLANDS AND RETENTION PONDS. I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT AND I'VE SPOKEN BRIEFLY WITH LINDSAY ABOUT IT AND IT APPEARS ON THEIR SITE PLAN IT APPEARS WE HAVE THE REQUISITE BUFFER IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT THAT IS OKAY.

WE WILL JUST NEED TO CONFIRM THAT AND I WOULD WANT ANY ULTIMATELY MAT VOTE ON THIS TO CONDITION THAT APPROPRIATELY.

SECONDLY IS ANOTHER TYPE OF BUFFERING ISSUE BUT IT'S A FENCING ISSUE. BACK IN '03 WE CAME TO TERMS WITH THE OWNERS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH OF US AND AGREED TO AN 8-FOOT FENCE ALONG THE SOUTHERN AND WESTERN PERIMETER OF OUR PROPERTY WHICH IS WHERE ONE OF THE SPREADING FIELD IS, AND IT APPEARS THAT THAT ISSUE HAS ALSO BEEN REINVOLVED BY THE DEVELOPER HERE IF I HEARD CORRECTLY TODAY.

I BELIEVE THEY HAVE PROPOSED AN 8-FOOT FENCE AROUND SOME PORTION OF THEIR PROPERTY AND WE WOULD THAT THAT ENCOMPASS THE ENTIRE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THEIR PROPERTY ADJOINING MR. MOORE'S SITE, PRINCIPALLY BECAUSE KIDS LIKE TO GO IN THE WOODS AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL MR. MOORE HAS A COUPLE OF RATHER LARGE PONDS ON-SITE AND WANTS TO ENSURE THAT THAT IS TAKEN CARE OF. SO THIS OTHER AERIAL HERE WEEKNESS JUST A CLOSE-UP OF THE PROPERTY SO YOU HAVE AGAIN ANOTHER IDEA OF THE NATURE OF JOHNNY'S PIECE AND MICHELLE'S PIECE. THE TWO LEGAL ISSUES, ONE IS AGAIN THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT I'M CONFIDENT WE WILL WORK OUT AND WE WORKED OUT WITH GEORGE BACK IN '03, AND THAT'S A NOTICE ISSUE. WE INSISTED THEN AND WE'LL INSIST AGAIN TODAY THAT ANY APPROVAL BE CONTINGENT UPON THE DEVELOPER AGREEING TO NOTIFY ANY POTENTIAL HOME BUYERS AS TO THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN -- CURRENTLY OPERATING AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE OPERATING SO THAT FOLKS ARE IN NOTICE BEFORE THEY BUY HOMES AS TO THE NATURE OF THE RATHER INDUSTRIAL TYPE COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON TO THE SOUTH.

AND WHAT WE WILL REQUEST IN THAT REGARD IS BOTH A DEED RESTRICTIONS TO ENSURE THAT POTENTIAL BUYERS ARE PUT ON NOTICE, AS WELL AS A CONDITION IN THE PUD.

AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS NOT TO RESPHRICTS ANY

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NOT IRRELEVANT BUT THAT'S THE PROGRAMMING INFORMATION.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHOW YOU HERE IS THE EAST-WEST ROADWAY.

ON THE RIGHT HERE, OF COURSE, IS MENUSI ROAD AND FROM THE CORNER OF MENUSI AND THIS ROADWAY, IF YOU GO WEST, YOU'LL DRIVE DOWN, THERE'S A POND, THERE'S A HOME THAT'S A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME OWNED BY JOHNNY'S SISTER, AND THEN RIGHT NEXT TO THAT IS HIS -- IS THE HEADQUARTERS FOR HIS BUSINESS OPERATIONS, THE SEPTIC MANAGEMENT FACILITY. AND THEN JUST PAST THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE TREES IS A GATE WHICH LEADS TO HIS AND MICHELLE'S HOME AS WELL AS THE SPREADING FIELD.

THAT ROADWAY OR THAT EASEMENT, IF YOU WILL, WAS THE SUBJECT OF A LAWSUIT ABOUT 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO THAT WAS ULTIMATELY SETTLED, AND JOHNNY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT STIPULATED JUDGMENT.

HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR BRING IT UP TO COMMERCIAL ROADWAY STANDARDS AND MAINTAINING IT. STILL IS TO THIS DAY.

MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PROPOSAL IS THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL PROPOSE TO DEDICATE TO RIGHT-OF-WAY OR DEDICATE THAT ACCESS ROAD WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS TO THE COUNTY.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST OF THE DEVELOPER, AND WE'LL SPEAK WITH THEM ABOUT THIS, IS THAT THEY DEDICATE THE ENTIRE ROADWAY STRIP TO THE COUNTY WHEN, IF AND WHEN THIS IS BUILT AND DEVELOPED. LAST ISSUE, AND I'LL TRY TO WRAP UP, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE LAST ISSUE IS MORE OF A ZONING COMPATIBILITY ISSUE, AND I WON'T SPEAK TOO MUCH ON IT BECAUSE I FRANK LIVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY DIG INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS, BUT IT'S THE ACCESS ISSUES OFF OF MENUSI.

THESE ARE -- MENUSI ROAD IS A -- AND THESE ARE -- THIS IS A DIFFICULT ISSUE, AND I USUALLY REPRESENT DEVELOPERS, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS HARD, AND ONE OF THESE DAYS WHEN JOHNNY RETIRES, THAT'S HE'S GOING TO LIKELY SELL HIS PROPERTY FOR DEVELOPMENT AS WELL, AND IT WILL BE AN ISSUE THAT HE FACES.

MENUSI RADIOED ROAD IS A 40T RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO TO IMPROVE THAT, AND THE CONCERN THAT THE MOORES HAVE IS TWOFOLD, ONE IS THE INTERACTION OF THE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC FROM JOHNNY'S TRUCKS THAT LEAVE EARLY IN THE MORNING AND COME BACK LATER IN THE DAY TO RUN THE SEPTIC BUSINESS. THE OTHER IS IT'S JUST FUTURE ISSUES. HIS CONCERN AGAIN IS THAT IF THE -- IF THE PROPOSED DENSITY OF THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED, DOES THAT IS YOU CAN UP ALL THE TRIPS THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO HIM AND MICHELLE IF AND WHEN THEY GO TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY CUN I DAY BECAUSE MENUSI WOULD BE A CENTRAL ACCESS OF THEIRS AS WELL. THIS.

ES ALSO HAVE TART ROAD, JOHNNY DOES, WHICH HELPS A LITTLE BIT WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF THIS. WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE IS PORTER ROAD AND PORTER ROAD IS AT THE NORTHERN END OF HIS PROPERTY.

THE INITIAL PLANS FOR THIS SHOWED THE SOLE AND ONLY ACCESS TO THE DEVELOPMENT WAS OFF OF MENUSI, DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF JOHNNY'S SISTER'S HOUSE THERE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CHANGED UP THAT AND HAVE AN ACCESS POINT OFF OF PORTER ROAD AS WELL. AGAIN, I HAVE NOT LOOKED HAT THAT IN-DEPTH. I'M SURE THAT JEFF HAS WITH ATM AND HE KNOWS A LOT MORE ABOUT THAT TRAFFIC STUFF THAN I DO BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH HIM A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ABOUT THAT AND UNDERSTAND FURTHER THE ALLOCATION OF THOSE TRUCKS AND HOW THAT WAS CALCULATED AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND ACCESS POINTS OFF MENUSI AND OLD -- ROAD.

SO THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THE MY COMMENTS.

I SPOKE A LITTLE BIT FAST AND HOPE I GOT EVERYTHING OUT THERE BUT I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO HEAR FROM. BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE ARE HERE NOT TO -- AT THIS POINT WE ARE NOT HERE TO OPPOSE ANY DEVELOPMENT. JOHNNY AND MICHELLE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO MAXIMUM THEIR PROPERTY VALUES AND DEVELOP APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENTS, BUT HE ALSO WANTS

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YOUR TIME. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. SANDERS, IF IT'S YOUR ANTICIPATION THAT, ASSUMING WE HAVE A VOTE TODAY, THAT WE WOULD MAYBE INCORPORATE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS INTO OUR CONDITIONS, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS YOU, WHILE WE'RE LISTENING TO 38 OTHER PEOPLE, MIGHT BE WORKING ON THOSE CONDITIONS BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE COULD REALLY BE HERE LATE TRYING TO DO THEM OURSELVES UP HERE. AND PERHAPS YOU CAN EVEN HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT IF THEY'RE AMENABLE TO THEM, TO WORKING OUT THAT LANGUAGE. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

>> ABSOLUTELY. AND I HAVE A COPY OF THE OLD AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAD WITH GEORGE'S CLIENT, AND I'LL PUT THOSE TOGETHER WHILE EVERYONE ELSE IS SPEAKING AND GET TO IT DOUG AND RESISTANT BY THE MEMBERS AS WELL AND SEE WHAT

WE'RE ABLE TO AGREE WITH. >> MR. MATOVINA: AND PLEASE

DON'T SEND ME A BILL FOR THAT. >> SPEAKER: BUT I'LL SEND

JOHNNY ONE. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

WHO. >>>

>> CALLER QUART, BARBARA CREWEL IS ON DECK AND THEN WE HAVE

BELLARMINE A EL OH WITS. >> AFTERNOON.

CARLA MEXICO WE'LL CORDO. 6.

CARLA MAXWELL PITCH A FEW GOOD REASONS WHY PORTER PROJECT SHOULD NO THE BE ALLOWED. FIRST LIVE IN A QUIET OR NEIGHBORHOOD ON A PROPOSED PORTER PROJECT ENTRY WITH ONLY A 40-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY WHICH DOES NOTTEN ME THE THE COUNTY'S LOCAL STANDARDS OF MINIMUM ROADWAY 50 FEET.

CARS WOULD ENTER MENUSI ON A 60-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT THEN FUNNEL DOWN TO 40-FOOT PASSING IN FRONT OWF HOME, ESTIMATING AT OVER 1500 A DAY WITH NO UPGRADES TO THE PROCEEDED ROADWAY.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. ENTRY ONTO PORTER ROAD WOULD FUNNEL CARS FROM 60-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY DOWN TO SARTILLO ROAD WHICH IS ONLY 30-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY ALSO NOT UP TO LOCAL ROAD STANDARDS AND WITH NO UPGRADES PLANNED.

PORTER WAUGH AS ALTERNATE ROUTE LOCAL D IS NOT PREFERRED BY DRIVERS AND IS NOT AS ACCESS WHICH IS NO NARROW IN PLACES THAT CARVES TO PULL OVER TO LET THE SCHOOL BUS PASS.

THE INTENSITY AND DENSITY OF THIS PUD IS NOT CONSIST OF WITH THE OPERATE, CHARACTERISTICS OF THE IMPACTED ROADWAY SEMGHTS AND INTERSECTIONS. THE PROPOSED PROJECT TRAFFIC WOULD HAVE UNREASONABLE IMPACT AND WEAR AND TEAR ON THE ROADWAYS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED TO HANDLE LOWER IMPACT TRAFFIC.

THIS HIGH DENSITY PUD IS APPROVED, IT WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH EITHER OF THESE SURROUNDING LARGE LOT NEIGHBORHOODS. THE TRAFFIC CREATED BY THIS PROJECT WOULD CERTAINLY DESTROY THE PEACEFUL, QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD WE ALL LOVE. ST. JOHNS COUNTY GUIDELINES FOLLOW BOARD OF COMPLOIRNTIONZ OF BREVARD COUNTY SHRS INSIDER SNYDER, A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF KEEPING THE EXISTING ZONING INCLUDES THAT REZONING PRODUCES AN URBAN SPRAWL PEARCHT DEVELOPMENT, IS SPOT ZONING, PRODUCES UNCOMPATIBILITY OR DEVIATION FROM AN ESTABLISHED AND ARE DEVELOPING LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT, PRODUCES SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT UPON PROPERTY VALUES OF ADJACENT OR NEARBY PROPERTIES, OR DETRACTS FROM THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY CREATING EXCESSIVE NOISE, LIGHTS, VIBRATIONS, FUMES, ODORS, DUST, PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES, AND OTHER DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS OR NUISANCES.

THIS PROJECT MEETS NEARLY EVERY ONE OF THESE FACTORS ARE INEXAW COMPATIBILITY. THE TRAFFIC WOULD CREATE UNREASONABLE DANGER TO PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS AND OTHER TRACK OF. IT WOULD MOST CERTAINLY DESTROY THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF INTERSECTIONS OF OLD LEWIS SPEED WAY AND LEWIS SPEEDWAY ARE ANOTHER IMPORTANT REASON THIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.

THE CURVE OF LEWIS SPEEDWAY CAUSES A BLIND SPOTTED FOR ANYONE TRYING TO ENTER OR EXIT EITHER END OF OLD LEWIS SPEED WAY AS WELL AS FOR HORSE VIDEO RESIDENTS.

THE -- SHORES HORSESHOE. THE PROPOSED TURN LANE WOULD BE NAD RAT QAT TO RESOLVE THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT WE FACE DAILEY. THE IN FACT THAT WOULD CAN FURTHER BLOCK HORSESHOE RESIDENTS FROM ENTRY OR EXIT.

WE WOULD BE LESS OPPOSED IF THERE WERE PLANS FOR AN ALTERNATE ENTRY THAT CUSS NOT RUN THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WOULD NOT CREATE SEVERE TRAFFIC ISSUES.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT DEVELOPMENT IS NECESSARY BUT NOT TO THE DETRIMENT OF EXISTING NEIGHBORS.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> CAN YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES, 4405 MENUSI ROAD. THANK YOU.

>> BARBARA CROOELL AND THEN WE HAVE MS. ELLEN WOOD AND THEN

NEXT KIM MOORE. >>

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>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

AFTER MY RETIREMENT FROM WASHINGTON, DC, --

>> CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD. >> SPEAKER: I'M SORRY?

>> CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD. >> SPEAKER: BELLARMINE A ELLEN WOOD 5060 PORTER ROAD. AFTER MY RETIREMENT FROM SMITHSONIAN IN WASHINGTON, DC, I CAME TO FLORIDA.

I LIVE IN GADSONVILLE AND WORKED THERE FOR A WHILE.

AFTER RETIREMENT I WAS LOOKING FOR A NICE, QUIET, SAFE PLACE WHERE I CAN SPEND MY RETIREMENT.

I AM NOT UNFAMILIAR TO ST. AUGUSTINE.

MY SON HAD BEEN LIVING HERE FOR 30 YEARS.

MY GRANDSON WERE BORN IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

SO BEING CLOSE TO THEM AND FINDING THE PERFECT PLACE FOR MY RETIREMENT WAS JUST GREAT, MY DREAM COME TRUE.

AND THEN THIS COMES UP AND IS ENDANGERING MY PLANS.

NOW, I FEEL, RIGHT NOW I FEEL SAFE ON MY LAND.

IT'S NOT FENCED. I CAN ENJOY PEACE AND NATURE AND SEE THE CHILDREN RUN TO THE YARD AND RIDE AND LITTLE VEHICLES AND BICYCLES ON PORTER ROAD. I HAVE A LOT TO LOSE.

WILDLIFE COME TO MY BACK DOOR. I HAVE DEER AND EVERYTHING COMING OVER. THE CHILDREN HAVE A LOT TO LOSE, PROBABLY THEIR LIVES. THEIR SAFETY SAT STAKE.

TRAFFIC COMING OUT TO THOSE PLANT UNITS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE WILL MEAN BRIGHT LIGHTS SHINING ON MY WANTED NIGHT.

ANOTHER GREAT DANGER THAT WE WILL BE ENCOUNTERING WILL BE THE AMOUNT OF SNAKES COMING OUT OF THEIR HABITAT TO FIND NEW PLACE TO LIVE. THAT WILL MEAN ENDANGERING MY GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN AND THE LITTLE NEIGHBORS AND THEIR NEIGHBORS AROUND. BECAUSE THEY WILL BE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER PLACE TO LIVE AND THAT WILL BE THE RIGHT PLACE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF GREEN, WE HAVE A LOT OF TREES, AND THERE WILL BE A CREEK IN THE BACK, SO THAT WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THEIR NEW HABITAT BUT NOT FOR OUR CHILDREN, NOT FOR OUR LIFE, NOT FOR OUR FAMILIES. BE I HAVE NOT SEEN TOO MUCH OF A REPORT ON SARTILLO ROAD. I TRAIFLT QUITE OFTEN BECAUSE IT'S EASY ACCESS. I SEE THAT SEVERAL OF THE PEOPLE, IN FACT, A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT AREAS LIKE MENUSI AND PORTER ROAD TRAVEL THAT WAY BUT WE LIVE THERE.

WE KNOW THERE ARE CHILDREN PLAYING IN THERE ALL THE TIME.

THEIR THERE ARE BASKETBALL HOOPS ON THE SIDES, SO WE ARE VERY CAREFUL. WE KNOW THERE'S 25-MILE-PER-HOUR. WHEN I WAS ASKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON SARTILLO ROAD, THEY SAID WE WILL DISCOURAGE THE NEW RESIDENTS TO DRIVE THAT WAY, LIKE YOU CANNOT TELL THEM THEY CANNOT DRIVE TO SOORT ROAD. THAT WOULD BE A IMPOSSIBILITY.

SO I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE SAFETY CHILDREN ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THEM.

I'M AFRAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NEW RESIDENTS WILL NOT BE LIKE THAT AND BE CAREFUL WITH THE CHILDREN.

AND THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN REALLY.

AND ALSO THAT -- WILL SHATTER MY LONG LIFE DREAMS BECAUSE I AM AT THE PLACE WHERE I WANT TO BE AFTER RETIREMENT.

MY FAMILY IS CLOSE BY. AND I DON'T HAVE TO FENCE AND I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SAFETY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO THAT IS MY CONCERN, MINE AND MY NEIGHBORS BECAUSE I HAVE VERY

GOOD NEIGHBORS. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

WRAP IT UP, MA'AM, PLEASE. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> KEN MOORE.

NEXT IS MAY HAVEINA FOREMAN AND SHERRY BRIGMAN.

>> CAN I PUT THIS ON? >> MR. MATOVINA: YES, YOU MAY.

SPHNCHTS MY NAME IS KIM MOORE AND I LEAVE IT 4455A MENUSI ROAD. MY HOME WILL BE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROADWAY WITHIN 100 FEET FROM THE ENTRANCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. CONCERNS WE ARE FACING ARE THE FOLLOWING. CLARIFICATION OF THE ADJACENT POND, THE RIGHTS AND RESPONDENTS INCLUDING LIMITED ACCESS TO THE POND AND THE LIABILITY OF ALL THE OWNERS THAT ARE AFFILIATED TO THAT POND. THE ORIENTATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE AWAY FROM ADJACENT LOCAL ROADS AND ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL LAND USES, AND THE SURROUNDING PROXIMITY OF THE OUR PROPERTY OWNERS. NO TURNAROUNDS ARE AVAILABLE.

VEHICLE ACCESS TO A PORTION OF STREETS WILL NOT BE CONTROLLED

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THE HANDOUT THIS WAS GIVEN TO YOU EXPLAIN IN DETAIL THE CONCERNS THAT WE ARE FACING ALONG WITH LIABILITIES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> FOREMAN AND THEN SHERRY BRIGMAN AND JOHN CORDIC.

P. SPHNCHTS GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD. >> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS THE FOREMAN AND I LIVETY CORNER OF OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY AND TARP ROAD 13735 OLD LEWIS SPEEDWAY. WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN 2000 BECAUSE IT WAS CONVENIENT TO ALL DIRECTIONS, ALL THE AMENITIES OF ST. AUGUSTINE WHILE STILL BEING OUT OF MAIN STREAM OF SUBDIVISIONS. IT HAS GREAT PRIVACY.

THE PORTER ROAD PROPOSAL, THE PORTER PROPERTY PROPOSAL NOW BEFORE YOU IS BEING FOUGHT BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF.

MANUCY, OLD LEWIS, TART, HORSESHOE, DA ISN'T IT OH WEEKS, PORTER AND PORTER RADIOED EX PENSION, LEMON AND SAR TILL OH ROAD DUE THE TO ISSUES OF TRAFFIC ON OUR VERY NARROW STREETS, SAFETY, DRAINAGE, PRIVACY AND THE FACT THAT THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION DOES NOT BELONG IN AN OPEN RURAL AREA WITH VERY LIMITED ACCESS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE TREMENDOUS DISRUPTION TO THE LIFE STIEFLT LIFESTYLE OE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO CURRENTLY ENJOY OPEN RURAL ZONING AND BEING OFF THE BEATEN PATH. BY I GO BEST ISSUE IS THE DRAINAGE IMPACT THIS SUBDIVISION WILL CAUSE.

I'VE LIVED ON MY PROPERTY FOR 21 YEARS AND WATCHED MY PROPERTY FLOOD ON MANY, MANY CASES,. THANKFULLY THE RISING WATERS HAVE NEVER ENTERED OUR HOME, BUT IT DOES COME VERY CLOSE.

THE COUNTY IS TRYING TO CORRECT OUR DRAINAGE, HOWEVER, AFTER THE ONE YEARS, WE STILL FLOOD. AS OUR PROPERTY IS AT THE LOWEST ELEVATION OF THIS AREA DRAINING TOWARD THE MARSH.

FORTUNATELY THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY HAVE MADE HAVE MADE THE WATER DISSIPATE AND DRAIN AWAY MORE QUICKLY THAN -- MORE QUICKLY OVER THE PAST FEW MODS, BUT BY TIME THE PORTER PROPERTY IS FILLED, IT WILL ONLY INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF WATER HEADING TO OUR PROPERTY. THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SAN SALIHTO DEVELOPMENT ON YOU HAD EVER WOODLAWN SENT MORE WATER TO THE TART-OLD LEWIS CORNER. LAST WEEK WE HAD A VERY HEAVY THUNDERSTORM WHICH LASTED FOR SEVERAL DAYS.

JUST NORMAL SUMMERTIME THUNDERSTORMS, ONE DROPPING APPROXIMATELY 4 INCHES OF RAIN IN OUR AREA.

THE WATER IS STILL SUBSIDING FROM OUR YARD.

MY SECOND ISSUE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT IS THE NEED FOR ALL THE MANY CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES RELATED TO THE PROPERTY, DUMP TRUCKS, CONCRETE TRUCKS, LUMBER TRUCKS, BULLDOZEDDERS, BACK HOST, TRACTOR-TRAILERS BRINGING IN THE BUILDING MATERIALS AND THE ROOF TRUSTS. THERE'S NO WAY THAT A MASSIVE TRUSS TRAILER COULD GET INTO THE AREA ENTERING ONTO LEWIS SPEEDWAY FROM THE NORTH, RIGHT TURN ONTO MANUCY AND LEFT TURN OFF MANUCY TO THIS PROPOSED SUBDIVISION.

THEY'RE TOO MARROW. >> MR. MATOVINA: PLEASE WRAP

IT UP, MA'AM. >> SPEAKER: THE SARTILLO PORTER REID HAS A TREE GROWING IN MIDDLE OF RADIOED WHICH WOULD MAKE ENTRY IN THAT DIRECTION IMPOSSIBLE.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS AND OUR REASONS WHY THIS PROPERTY BUILD-OUT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PROCEED.

COME UP WITH SOMETHING MORE REASONABLE AND ACCEPTABLE TO THIS AREA. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> SHERRY BRIGMAN.

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>> AND YES. MY NAME IS SHERRY BRIGGINGLY AT A 5325 PORTER ROAD EXTENSION, AND I JUST HAVE EVERYTHING THEY'VE SAID IS SIMILAR TO WHAT I WANT SAY.

I KNOW YOU SAID DON'T REPEAT BUT I'LL JUST GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE ABOUT THE WATER PROBLEM. WE'RE -- MY LOT IS LIKE 5 ACRES, 5 ACRES, 5 ACRES, AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY? WE'RE ALREADY AT THE LOW END, SO THE WATER IS SO BAD RIGHT NOW ON THAT PROPERTY, A PINE TREE HAS FALLEN FOR NO REASON, WATER MOCCASINS ARE COMING UP TO THE BACK STEPS OF THE DOOR, SO THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW WET FROT GETS, AND THAT'S -- PROPERTY GETS, AND THAT'S WITHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE FILLING IN LAND, PUTTING IT UP HIGHER, AND THEN THEY MAY HAVE BUFFERS BUT WHAT KIND OF BUFFER? ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE BUFFERS THAT GO UP HIGH SO THAT IT DOESN'T FLOOD OVER INTO THE OTHER LAND? ANYWAY. THE OTHER PROBLEM I HAVE IS I HAVE TWO FIVE-YEAR-OLD GRANDCHILDREN, AND I PICK THEM UP AT THE CORNER OF SARTILLO AND PORTER ROAD.

THE BUS COMES FROM D AVENUE TO PORTER ROAD.

IT STOPS AS THE SARTILLO WHERE THAT BIG TREE IS THAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

AND THEN I STOP ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

I'M PARKED IN THE ROAD ON PORTER ROAD, STOPPED.

THERE'S HARDLY ANY SIDE ROAD. SO I'M STOPPED THERE.

EVERYBODY'S GOING AROUND ME. AND THEN I HAVE TO GET OUT WHEN THAT BUS COMES UP AND WALK ACROSS PORTER ROAD AND GRAB THESE TWO KIDS BY HAND AND WALK BACK ACROSS.

SO MY QUESTION IS WHERE IS THE IMPROVEMENT GOING TO BE TO ALLOW FOR A LINE OF CARS, NOT JUST MINE, NOT JUST ONE OR TWO, BECAUSE IF THOSE PEOPLE IN THATY DEVELOPMENT ARE GOING TO HAVE KIDS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THEN WHERE THEY GOING TO LINE UP TO PICK UP THESE KIDS? IF THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS, NO EXPANSION OF THE ROAD, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PARK TO PICK UP OUR CHILDREN OFF THAT BUS? SO ANYWAY, TO ME BOTH PLACES BUT ME PERSONALLY, PORTER ROAD, NOT A GOOD PLACE, AND LIKE THE LADY SAID BEFORE, IF YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO OUT PORTER ROAD TO D AVENUE, I'M SORRY, EVERYBODY I KNOW GOES RIGHT UP SARTILLO, AND IT TAKES TWO TRUCKS.

ONE OF YOU HAVE TO PULL OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD TO GET PAST THE OTHER ONE. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> NEXT IS JOHN CORDIS, THEN CHRISTINE PORTER AND DANIEL WILSON.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SIR, YOU UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO HAND THOSE MATERIALS IN SPINCHTS CAN'T JUST BRING THEM UP?

>> MR. MATOVINA: NO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAND THOSE IN,

WHATEVER YOU'VE GOT. >> SPEAKER: WHO DO I HAND THEM

TO? >> MR. MATOVINA: YOU CAN USE THEM BUT AT THE END YOU HAVE THE GIVE THEM TO US.

>> SPEAKER: EXCEPT FOR MY HOUSE PLAN.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IF YOU'RE GOING SHOW US THE HOUSE

PLANS -- >> SPEAKER: I WON'T.

MY NAME ISION CORDIC. MYSELF AND CARL ARE PROBABLY THE MOST AFFECTED BY THIS BECAUSE -- [INAUDIBLE] I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS.

HERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT. HERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT.

HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A SCOPE OF THE SIZE OF THIS, ALL THIS IS COMING THROUGH THAT, AND IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND IT'S LIKE FUNNELING THROUGH -- WELL, HERE.

THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT HERE.

ALL THIS IS GOING TO FUNNEL INTO OUR COMMUNITY WHERE WE ALL COMEE KNOW EACH OTHER. WE STOP AND TALK TO EACH OTHER ON THE ROAD LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? IF THERE'S A STRANGE CAR, WE ALL KNOW WHOSE CAR IT IS.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SO MANY CARS FUNNELING THROUGH THESE LITTLE AREAS, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

I HAVE PLANS -- I SPENT $10,000.

I'M 61 YEARS OLD. I'VE BEEN AT THIS PROPERTY FOR 20 YEARS. I'VE BEEN SAVING AND SCRIMPING FOR PLANS TO BUILD MY DREAM HOME.

IF THIS GOES THROUGH, I SURE DON'T WANT TO BE HERE.

THIS IS GOING TO BE RIDICULOUS. THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THIS PROPERTY, FOR THIS WHOLE PLAN THAT THEY'VE GOT.

EVERY SUBDIVISION I KNOW COMES OUT INTO A MAIN ROAD.

THIS IS GOING THROUGH A BEAUTIFUL QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.

LOOK AT THESE PEOPLE. EVERY ONE OF US ARE OPPOSED TO THIS BECAUSE WE STOP AND THOUGHT -- WE WERE TALKING TODAY

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WE ALL EACH OTHER'S KIDS. IT'S A COMMUNITY THAT'S BEING TOTALLY DISRUPTED BY THIS. SO THIS IS JUST SOMETHING TO -- [INDECIPHERABLE] ACCORDING TO THEIR LAWYER IT'S ALREADY A DONE DEAL. HE SAID IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH NO MATTER WHAT. I DON'T KNOW IF HE TALKED TO THESE PEOPLE BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS STRANGE THAT HE WOULD MAKE A COMMENT LIKE THAT. THEY MADE THE OTHER POINTS, ALL THE TRUCKS TURNING OFF THE -- I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO COME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TURN OFF OF LEWIS SPEEDWAY, AND JUST SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO TRY TOO EVEN GET DOWN INTO THAT AREA LET ALONE HAVING 200 CARS AN HOUR COMING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS.

I HAVE HAD NOTHING STOLEN. I'VE HAD NO CRIME, NOTHING.

NONE OF US. I TALKED TO ALL OF US.

NONE OF US HAVE HAD A CAR STOLEN, A BIKE STOLEN, NOTHING.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ALL THIS NEW TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE? THAT'S ABOUT IT. I'VE GOT SO MUCH MORE, I COULD

GO ON AND ON. >> COULD YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS

FOR THE RECORD. >> SPEAKER: 4404 MANUCY ROAD.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IF YOU WILL GET BHZ SHERRY SHE WILL GET THE

MATERIALS THAT WE NEED. >> CHRISTINE PORTER.

THEN DANIEL WILSON. >> AND I'M CHRISTINE PORTER.

I LIVE AT 4481 AVENUE B. AND I'M GOING TO LET MR. WILSON GIVE YOU THE EXPECTATION OF THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU,

MA'AM. >> AFTER MR. WILSON IS JOHN

MOORE. >> SPEAKER: DANIEL WILSON 481 AVENUE B, ST. AUGUSTINE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS. THE CARS THAT THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE LOOKING AT 500 CARS MOVE INTO THIS LITTLE AREA.

HAVE YOU EVER TRIED TO GET ONTO ROUTE 1 WHEN THE AIRPLANE IS GETTING OUT? THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

YOU CAN'T GET THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC OUT OF THAT ROOM, OUT OF THAT AREA AND GET ONTO ROUTE 1. HOW CAN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GET NEMESIS IN THEMSELF IN TH? THE NEXT QUESTION IS WHERE IS THE WATER GOING TO COME FROM FOR 275 HOUSES AND WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE SEWER? THERE'S NO SEWER SYSTEM DOWN THERE. THEY'RE ON SEPTIC TANKS.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PUT SEPTIC TANKS IN A SWAMP? AND TRASH. WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PUT ALL THE TRASH? IT'S GOING TO ADD TO THE TRASH WE'VE ALREADY GOT UP THE STREET UP THERE.

AND SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THE LOAD ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

IT'S A BAD IDEA. WE'VE GOT TO STOP IT.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU,

SIR. >> MR. JOHN MOORE AND THEN CAROL AND THEN HARDWICK. SO NEXT IS CAROL.

CARA MANU 6:00. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

THEN JEFF HARDWICK. >> SPEAKER: NAMES CAROL MANU 6:00. I LIVE AT THE END OF PORTER ROAD EXTENSION 5395 PORTER ROAD. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN THERE 45 YEARS. WE BUILT OUR OWN HOME, AND WE HAVE SEEN MANY, MANY YEARS OF DRY AND THEN MANY YEARS OF LOTS OF RAIN. BEING AS WE LIVE AT THE END, THE DRAINAGE IS NOT GOOD. IT'S A PRIVATE RADIOED, AND D AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. WITHOUT REPEATING WHAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS SAID, I'M GOING DISWROWS GIVE OUR GROUP, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT IT, THERE IS A NEW -- A NEW -- IT WAS PASSED BY THE ST. AUGUSTINE -- THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE ON AUGUST 2020, AND IT WAS APPROVED AFTER THAT OF WHEN YOU TURN TO GO TO VARELA GOING TO THE HIGH SCHOOL FROM LEWIS SPEED WAY, THERE ARE 102 TOWNHOUSES BEING BUILT.

I WENT DOWN AND TALKED TO SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE.

THAT WILL PUT 200 MORE PEOPLE ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY.

NOW, DO YOU GUYS THINK LEWIS SPEEDWAY CAN HANDLE THAT IN

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ANYWAY, I'M GOING TO CUT IT SHORT SO THE OTHER PEOPLE CAN TALK. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW CAN ALL OF YOU APPROVE THIS SUBDIVISION? I MEAN REALLY? THIS IS A QUIET, QUAINT NEIGHBORHOOD, RURAL AT TOMBS WE HAVE HAD HORSES, RAB ITS, COWS, CHICKENS. WE DON'T HAVE THAT NOW BUT IT'S JUST -- THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. WE LIKE LIVING THE WAY WE ARE, AND NO ROOM FOR SUBDIVISION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> JEFF HARD WICK AND THEN CHARLES MALONEY AND DEBBIE

JAMES. JAMES. >> AND HOW YA'LL DOING?

>> MR. MATOVINA: IF THE NEXT TWO SPEAKERS WOULD STIP TO THE FRONT OF THE ROOM SO WE CAN TEEP COOFG.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS JEFF HARD WICK LIVE ANOTHER 4980 PORTER ROAD WHICH I THINK -- NOT THINK.

I HAVE PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT EXIT COMING OUT OF THERE. MOST OF MY ISSUES TODAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. ONE IS DRAINAGE.

WHERE'S THE WATER GOING TO GO? WE'RE ALREADY IN A FLOOD AREA.

I MEAN IT FLOODS EVERY TIME WE GET A GOOD RAIN DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, SO I'M IN DRAINAGE. I'VE I DIDN'T FOR 40 YEARS.

RETENTION PONDS ARE FINE BUT THEY HAVE TO POP OFF.

AND TRAFFIC. MY TWO BIGGEST THINGS.

EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ADDRESSED. THANK YOU.

I DID STATE MY ADDRESS DIDN'T I?

>> YOU DID. >> SPEAKER: THANKS.

>> CHARLES MALONEY AND DEBBIE JAMES.

AND THEN RONALD DOOR DORSETT. DEBBIE JAMES.

>> SPEAKER: JAMES DEB JAMES. I LIVE AT 557 NORTH HORSESHOE ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE. I HAVE TWO PAGES OF SIGNED ON MY HORSESHOE PEOPLE OPPOSED TO THE PORTER PROJECT'S REZONING.

I ALSO HAVE A LETTER. I GUESS I'M ABLE TO READ MY NEIGHBOR'S LETTER. SHE COULD NOT BE HERE FOR A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT. IS THAT OKAY?

>> MR. MATOVINA: AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GO OVER THREE

MINUTES. >> SPEAKER: I'M TALKING REAL FAST P THIS IS FROM DEANS GREER 572 NORTH HORSESHOE ROAD.

MY HUSBAND FRAMES AND I HAVE HIFD ON NORTH HORSESHOE ROAD ARE 11 YEARS BEEPER FIRMLY AGAINST DID PROPOSED LIST ABOVE.

THE TRAFFIC AND PUBLIC SAFETY ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY ROAD IS DANGEROUS. MOST RESIDENTS ON HORSESHOE ROAD GO TO THE SOUTH BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET OUT.

WE CANNOT MAKE A LEFT TURN. AND WE ARE -- THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL FEELING. IT'S DANGEROUS FOURS TO GO RIGHT TOO SO ANYWAY, SHE WRITES ON OCTOBER 1ST, 2011, I WAS IN A VERY SERIOUS ACCIDENT AT THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH HORSESHOE AND LEWIS SPEEDWAY. I WAS MAKING A LEFT ONTO NORTH HORSESHOE. SHE'S GOING HOME.

THAT DANGEROUS CURVE. STOPPED WITH MY CURNG BLINKER ON, YIELDING TO THE ONCOMING SUV.

I WAS HIT FROM BEHIND, PUSHED INTO THE COMING SUV.

I WAS HIT FROM BEHIND AND HEAD-ON.

THERE WAS A PEDESTRIAN ON THE SIDEWALK THAT WAS ALMOST HIT AS WELL. I WAS TRANSPORTED WITH BACK, NECK AND LEG INJURY. I WENT THROUGH ONE YEAR OF PAINFUL THERAPY AND SHOTS TO MY NECK.

I HAD TO HAVE SURGERY TO MY NECK IN DECEMBER 2012.

I HAVE A PLATE IN MY NECK. I HAVE PERMANENT LACK OF RANGE OF MOTION. IN CLOSING, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND PUBLIC SAFETY. OUR CHILDREN WALK ON THESE SIDEWALKS TO THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

SINCERELY DENISE AND JAMES GREER.

I'LL KIT SHORT BUT I WILL ALSO SAY -- KIT SHORT BUT I WILL ALSO SAY I DO ACCESS EASEMENT TAKE MY LIFE AND HANDS AND TRY TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN TOWARD THE COURTHOUSE OFTTIMES.

NEVER IN THE MONKEY, NEVER FROM 4:00 TO 6:00 BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET OUT. NEVER IN THE MORNING.

WHEN I DO EASE OUT IT'S A BLIND CORNER.

SIMONS I'M STICKING OUT TOO FAR AND HERE COMES SOMEBODY SPEEDING BY AND I'M STUCK. I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT IN REVERSE BECAUSE I MIGHT GO FORWARD.

SO I STAY THERE, AND THEN PEOPLE HAVE TO SWERVE AROUND ME.

IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS CORNER. AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT MANUCY ROAD COMING OUT TO NORTH -- HAVING ALL THESE CARS, YOU CAN SEE, TOO, IT IS VERY DANGEROUS, AND THIS IS WHY IT SHOULD NOT BE

PASSED, AND I THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

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>> RONALD DORSET AND THEN JACQUES LYNN NAPIER AND BENJAMIN FELDMAN. JOCELYN NAPIER.

BENJAMIN FELDMAN. MICHAEL FOREMAN.

>> I THINK I GOT IN THE WRONG COLUMN.

CHARLES MCKONE 4925 PORTER ROAD.

I HAVE FIVE PROPERTIESAT THAT THIS SUBDIVISION WILL IMPACT.

JUST LIKE EVERYONE SAID, DRAINAGE, TRAFFIC.

MS. RICHARD 1 THANK YOU FOR SEEING THE PROBLEMS THERE ON THE ROAD. HOPEFULLY EVERYONE ELSE WILL TAKE A CHANCE TO DRIVE AROUND AND SEE IT.

BUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS JUST NOT THERE.

THE ROADS ARE WAY TOO SMALL. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MICHAEL FOREMAN. SUSAN CLOUT.

KIM MOORE. RITA BAKER.

MARIANNE BAKER. MS. ELEANOR SPOKE.

SOME OF THESE ARE REPEATS. CLARA PAT.

CAROL BLOSSER. NEXT IS LEAH YURTSEL.

JAIME MILLER. >> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS CAROL BLOSSER. I LEAVE IT 225 PICKET DRIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. AND I'D JUK LIKE TO SAY I OPPOSE THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> LEAH. >> SPEAKER: I'M I'M LEAH 732 SOUTH HERITAGE CREEK WAY AND AGAIN I OPPOSE THIS PROJECT GLRVE JAIME MILLER. LINDA ON- ON-YON. AND CAROL MANUCY WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD WILL. JEENL ANGELA MONROE.

CURTIS MANUTSC. JOE PORTO.

AND THEN STEVEN GIBSON. JAY DANIELS.

MIKE KYLE. >> SPEAKER: HI I'M JOE CORD OR 44 REVOLVE F. MANUCY ROAD. I'VE GOT ALL THE SAME CONCERNS EVERYBODY ELSE DOES. WOULD I JUST LIKE TO SAY I'M OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT IN MAJOR WAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> STEVEN GIBSON

>> SPEAKER: BE STEVEN GIBSON 5545 PORTER ROAD EXTENSION.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING THE TIME OUT TO DRIVE OUT AND CHECK OUT THE AREA. YOU CAN SEE IT'S REALLY WET.

AND I'M LIKE MOST PEOPLE IN PORTER ROAD EXTENSION.

WE GO DOWN SARTILLO ROAD. IT'S EASIER.

GO STRAIGHT, LEFT OR RIGHT. GO DOWN POSTER ROAD, MAKE A LEFT 1 ANOTHER RIGHT, GET BACK ON US-1 OR WHATEVER.

SARTILLO ROAD IS VERY LOW AND NARROW.

MONDAY WHEN IT RAINED, THE STORMED ABOUT 30 MINUTES.

IT WAS UNDERWATER. THEY BUILD THESE HOMES IN THERE, THAT'S JUST MORE WATER GOING TO FLOOD SARTILLO ROAD.

IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE ROAD AND UNDERWATER.

I WANT TO SAY I OPPOSE IT. JUST THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, SIR.

>> JAY DANIELS. ANGELA MOORE.

>> SPEAKER: ANGELINA MONROE 4441 MANUCY ROAD.

I HAVE ALL THE CONCERNS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES, AND MY PROPERTY ACTUALLY GOES INTO THE POND THAT THEY'RE DECIDING NOT TO DO ANYTHING WITH, AS I KNOW JOE AND CARLOS' BUTTS UP TO THE POND. THEY GET PART OF IT.

KIM MOORE GOES INTO THE POND BUT THEY'RE NOT SHOWING IT ON ANY OF THE MAPS, OUR PART OF THE POND,% SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR THAT, AND THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH ALL THE OTHER CONCERNS. AND I OPPOSE.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU,

MA'AM. >> MIKE KYLE.

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MS. KALADI. >> SPEAKER: SARAH BROWN 3700 LEWIS SPEEDWAY. ALL THE CONCERNS PRESENTED HERE I CAN ALSO REFLECT AS VALID AND TRUE, GOOD.

I APPRECIATE THAT YOU CAME AND VISITED OUR -- I CAN'T SEE WITHOUT MY GLASSES, BUT I CAN'T SEE WITH THEM -- OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOTICED THE 151 PAGES.

THERE WAS A SECTION IN THE 151 PAGES THAT MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT GOPHER TURRETTISTS BEING FOUND ON THE PROPERTY, AND I JUST HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AS A LONGTIME ST. AUGUSTINE RESIDENT I KNEW THAT IT USED TO BE A BIG DEAL.

AND THEN THE LAST -- THE OTHER PIECE THAT I HAVE A CONCERN WITH, JUST BECAUSE IT'S LEGAL DOESN'T MEAN IT'S RIGHT.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE REGULATIONS AND STANDARDS MAKE THIS PROJECT ALL WITHIN THEM AND BE SUSTAINABLE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S ACCURATE.

AND I THINK THAT IN ORDER TO TRULY MAKE THIS PROJECT VIABLE, WE NEED TO ADJUST THOSE REGULATIONS IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THE STANDARD SO THAT DEVELOPMENT CAN GO FORWARD.

AS IT IS, I DON'T APPROVE IT. I'M AGAINST IT.

AND THEN THE THIRD THING THAT BOTHERS ME, AS A LEWIS SPEEDWAY RESIDENT, LOOKING OFF OF MY DRIVEWAY AT OLD LEWIS ROAD, LEWIS SPEEDWAY, THE NUMBER OF EMS AND FIRE RESCUE TRAFFIC THAT COMES DOWN THAT ROAD, THE WIDTH OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY I, IT JUST SEEMS UNTENABLE. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE MORE DANGEROUS ADDING 237 CARS. ONE TIME A DAY, NINE TIMES A DAY. AND PARTICULARLY I NOTICED AS I GET READY FOR THE DAY AND AS I GET CLOSED DOWN FOR THE EVENING, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLE TRAFFIC FROMY EMS, BATTALION CHIEFS, FIRE RESCUE ALL GOING TO CALLS GO ACROSS MY DRIVEWAY.

THE NUMBER IS EASILY 20 TO 30 IN THOSE TWO HOURS OF 7:00 TO 9:00 IN THE MORNING AND 6:00 TO 8:00 AT NIGHT INJURIES, THINK THAT THAT'S IN THAT BLIND CURVE WITH THE ABUNDANCE OF TRAFFIC, IT'S JUST TOO MUCH. SO THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MS. CALADY.

>> SPEAKER: B.J. CALADY. 8 NEW COME STREET IN ST. AUGUSTINE. JUST FOR INFORMATION FOR ALL THESE 38 PEOPLE, SOME HAD TO LEAVE, NEXT TIME YOU COME YOU CAN STAND IN THE MIDDLE, THERE'S A SPEERVEG THERE AND YOU CAN SHOW ALL YOUR BIG PICTURES. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS LISTENING TO WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE HEAD, I DO APPRECIATE THE BOARD MEMBER THAT ACTUALLY WENT ONTO THE ROADS.

THE UNDERWATER THING IS VERY IMPORTANT.

BUT I WANT TO SAY, I WANT TO SAY, I WANT TO SAY THIS.

I THINK ALL OF THESE RESIDENTS WERE SPEAKING, I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE HERE UNTIL MIDNIGHT. THE DEVELOPER, THE LAWYERS, EVERYBODY ELSE GETS TO SPEAK BUT FOR THEM TO COME IN HERE AND STAY THIS LONG TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THEY LIVE OUT THERE AND WHAT IS GOING ON THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT, I APPRECIATE THAT GREATLY, AND THEREFORE, IT'S OBVIOUS THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS FAILED TO WORK OUT THE OPPOSITION TO REZONING THESE 165 ACRES.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST YOU DENY THIS REQUEST BASED ON MS. CARLA MAX WEM'S STATED FINDINGS OF -- MAXWELL'S STATED FINDINGS OF FACT WHICH ARE IN YOUR PACKET IN WHICH SHE STATED AS THE FIRST RESIDENT AFTER THE LAWYER, AND SHE DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF SAYING WHY THIS SHOULD BE DENIED OR MAYBE THEY WANT TO COME BACK, POSTPONE IT, GO THROUGH AND HAVE SOME MORE TALKS WITH THESE PEOPLE TO MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE IF IT CAN BE, BUT I THINK THE LADY SPOKE VERY CLEARLY, DENY IT, AND SHE USED THE FACTS

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>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE ONE MORE. CECILIA ADLER CREEK ALDRICH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SHE WAS HIDING OVER THERE, WASN'T SHE?

>> AND JAMESY IS SEAL A AND I LEAVE IT 344 LYMAN STREET.

THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN TODAY.

I JUST -- MY CONCERNS, OF COURSE, ARE THE SAME AS EVERYBODY WE ALREADY HEARD. I JUST WANTED TO ADD I A COUPLE OF THINGS. THERE'S A MAP, A WETLANDS MAP ON PAGE 71 OF THE ESI REPORT THAT'S IN THAT PACKET.

I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THE WETLANDS AREN'T MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. I JUST -- I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT SEEM TO BE MAYBE INACCURACIES IN THERE.

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S NO MITIGATION BECAUSE THE WETLANDS ARE KIND OF SPREAD OVER THE ENTIRE PIECE, SO MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING THERE. THE SCHOOLS, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THE SCHOOL DEPARTMENT WAS -- THERE WAS NO IMPACT TO THE SCHOOLS. I HAVE A GRANDSON AND A GRANDDAUGHTER THAT BOTH WENT TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS UP UNTIL LAST YEAR, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE SEATS TO SIT IN, AND I MEAN THE STORY I HEARD AND THE THINGS I HEARD FROM THE KIDS WERE IT WAS SO OVERCROWDED THAT IT WAS HARD TO KEEP EVERYBODY IN CONTROL, SO THE SCHOOLS ARE AN ISSUE, TOO, THINK.

THE WIDTH OF THE ROADS, I NOTICED THAT.

I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 20 YEARS, AND WE JUST BUILT A HOUSE FOR OUR DAUGHTER ON SARTILLO A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, AND I NOTICED IN THE PACKAGE IT SAID THE ROAD WITH SARTILLO WAS 30 FEET WIDE. I TOOK A SURVEYOR'S WHEEL BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE. I GO DOWN THERE EVERY TO DAY O VISIT THEM. AND IT WAS 17 FEET OF HARD SURFACE ACROSS THAT ROAD BY THE CORNER STORE.

NOW, MAYBE RIGHT-OF-WAY EXTENDS WIDER THAN THAT, BUT THERE'S TELEPHONE POLES, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURES, SO I WOULD BE REAL CONCERNED ABOUT -- THE ROADS ARE DEFINITELY INSUFFICIENT FOR ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC COMING DOWN THERE, AND I GUESS THAT'S THE ONLY THINGS THAT I DIDN'T HEAR AND YOU MAY HAVE MISSED. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE WE CLOSE UP THE PUBLIC SPEAKING PORTION OF THIS? COME ON UP.

COULD YOU PLEASE, SIR, AND SIT IN THAT FRONT ROW IF YOU WOULD AND TAKE YOUR TURN. IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK.

>> SPEAKER: HI P MY NAME IS DANIELLE HOLLINGSWORTH I LIVE AT 533 NORTH HORSESHOE. I LIVE FIVE HOUSES DOWN FROM MY PARENTS. I GREW UP IN THE HOUSE I LIVE IN. I JUST REALLY ASK THAT YOU GUYS DENY THIS AND DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN.

GROWING UP HERE IN ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING ON, I'M A SCHOOL TEACHER SO I WORK THE IN DISTRICT AS WELL.

ENOUGH'S ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE WITH LIKE I'VE SEVERE IT OVER MY 40 YEARS OF LIFE AND IT'S JUST -- I HAVE NIGH NIECES HERE. THEY'VE SAT HERE SINCE 1:00 TODAY WITH US JUST BECAUSE WE FEEL THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO REALLY TRULY STOP. THERE'S TOO MUCH TRAFFIC.

I LEAVELL EARLIER THE IN MORNING JUST PSYCHO GET OUT TO GET TO SCHOOL. I DRIVE DOWN 16 TO 210.

IN LISTENING TO ALL THIS TODAY, IT'S JUST TOO MUCH.

SO PLEASE, WITH THE WATER, WITH THE TRAFFIC, WITH THE PEOPLE, WITH THE SCHOOLS AND JUST EVERYTHING ELSE, I JUST ASK THAT WE PLEASE DON'T ADD TO OUR COMMUNITY.

THE PEOPLE ON OUR ROAD THAT LIVE ON HORSESHOE ROAD, I GREW UP WITH THEIR KIDS. THEY STILL LIVE THERE.

IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT THAT PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY MOVE AND THEY ARE HERE FOR THREE YEARS AND THEN DECIDE TO MOVE BECAUSE OF A JOB. WE LIVE HERE.

WE'VE BEEN HERE. THIS IS OUR COMMUNITY.

THIS IS WHY EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME HERE IS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE, AND WE JUST REALLY DON'T WANT IT CHANGED.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU.

>> ROBERT J. SELFRIDGE, PROUD FATHER OF HER.

>> MR. MATOVINA: CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

>> AND 43 YEARS, 448 SOUTH HORSESHOE ROAD, AND I AM DEAD SET AGAINST THIS. FIRST TIME I'VE EVERY BEEN TO ONE OFES THESE AND IN THE FOUR HOURS I'VE BEEN HERE YOU HAVE APPROVED MAYBE 4,000 MORE PEOPLE TO MOVE IN HERE.

WHEN'S IT END? THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, SIR.

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YES, MA'AM. >> GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME IS LAURA HUTTER I LIVE AT 5380 PORTER ROAD EXTENSION. I JUST WANT TO SAY I AGREE WITH ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS ON EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN STATED BUT I DID WANT TO ADD THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT LEWIS SPEEDWAY. I ACTUALLY COMMUTE TO DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE FOR WORK. AND SO -- AND I SOWN A CHEVROLET TRAVERSE WHICH IS A FAIRLY LARGE SUV.

TO MAKE A 11 TURN OUT OF AVENUE D ONTO US-1 TO GO NORTH TO GO TO JACKSONVILLE IS AN EXERCISE IN MANEUVERING EVER IEWFERG MY VEHICLE SO THAT I CAN GO SIDEWAYS IN MEDIAN WHICH THEN MEANS I CANNOT SEE. SO THE NOTION THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHED THAT THAT LEFT-HAND TURN ONTO AVENUE D IS PERFECTLY SAFE FOR 200 MORE VEHICLES IS VERY RIDICULOUS.

I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT BE I'VE BEEN IN MORTGAGE BANKING FOR 40 YEARS, AND THERE ARE CHALLENGES WITH FINANCING HOMES ON PRIVATE ROADS, AND YET I CHOSE TO LIVE ON PORTER ROAD EXTENSION BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE, THE MORE RURAL LOCATION. I COULD HAVE GONE AND LIVED IN A SUBDIVISION, AND I CHOSE NOT TO, AND THE FACT THAT THIS PROJECT IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR THIS AREA WILL TOTALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER AND THE REASON WHY EVERYBODY LIVES THERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY.

SIR, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? NAME.

>> ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, IRRELEVANT, SIR, PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS CHARLES, JR. I LIVE AT 5285D PORTER ROAD EXTENSION. MAYBE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SAID, BUT YOU GOT THOUSAND ABOUT THE IT'LL TIDAL, THE FLOODS BECAUSE IT DOES FLOOD DOWN THERE AT HIGH TIDE, MOREER, HUR DANES BE D.

MOREER AND HURRICANES AND LET ALONE THE WILDLIFE.

AND I OPPOSE IT. >> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU,

SIR. >> MY NAME IS SUSAN SELFRIDGE I LEAVE IT 448 SOUTH HORSE SEW ROAD AND THE COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU IS THIS BOARD, NOT YOU PEOPLE BUT THIS BOARD APPROVED SADDLE BROOK. THEY PUT IN A LITTLE ROAD IN THE CENTER OF THE HORSESHOE. OUR YARDS STARTED TO FLOOD.

I TALKED TO THE MAN WHO WAS BUILDING THESE -- WHAT? -- TEN HOUSES BEHIND US, AND EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR 30-SOME-ODD-YEARS AND WE'VE NEVER FLOODED, BUT WE'RE FLOODING NOW.

HE LOOKED AT ME AND HE TOLD ME, OH, YOUR RUNOFF HAS BEEN COMING ONTO OUR LAND ALL THIS TIME, BUT NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT UP WITH IT, SO THEY BUILT UP. THEY PUT IT.

WE NOW FLOOD. THEY'RE NOT KIDDING.

IF YOU GO DOWN LEWIS SPEEDWAY, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE DEAD ANIMALS ALL THE TIME. THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO GO.

THEY TALKED ABOUT THE SNAKES, WATER MOCCASINS.

GUYS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS A HEART THAT PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO, AND UNLESS YOU DECIDE TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE UP BEFORE YOU START BUILDING THE HOUSES, LET'S STOP PLAYING CATCH-UP.

YOU SAY -- YOU TELL THESE PEOPLE THEY CAN COME IN, WE'RE GETTING MORE TAX DOLLARS. WE CAN DO THIS.

GREAT. HOWEVER, WE DO NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. LET'S DO IT SMART.

LET'S START FROM THE BOTTOM,WHE, GET THE WATER ISSUES, THE FLOODING THAT WE HAVE. LOOK AT DOWNTOWN ST. AUGUSTINE.

DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT HERE TOO? AND IT'S GOING TO AFFECT YOU GUYS BECAUSE YOU WORK HERE.

WE LIVE HERE. SO WHEN YOU GO HOME ON YOUR WEEKEND AND YOU GET YOUR NICE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT NOBODY'S MOVING INTO, JUST TRY TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR THESE PEOPLE. WE RAISED OUR FAMILIES.

WE PAY OUR TAXES. WE VOTED FOR YOU.

BUT START THINKING ABOUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY, NOT THE TAX DOLLARS. START THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE. THIS IS US.

COME ON, GUYS. THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC SPEAKING PORTION OF THIS ENGAGEMENT, AND BEFORE I HAVE THE APPLICANT BACK UP FOR REBUTTAL, I'M GOING TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE AUDIENCE JUST SO YOU UNDER THE RESOLVE THIS BOARD. FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE NOT VOTED ON. WE DIDN'T GET VOTES.

WE GOT APPOINTED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

AND OUR TASK ON THIS BOARD, IF YOU READ THE COUNTY CHARTER, IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS DEVELOPMENT COMPLIES WITH THE

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AND SO THAT IS OUR TASK HERE. AND WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

WE'RE NOT A DECIDING BODY. IF WE VOTE NO ON THIS PROPOSAL, IT STILL GOES ON TO THE BOARDS OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT. THAT'S BECAUSE WE ARE JUST AN ADVISORY BODY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT OUR TASK IS SUPPOSED TO BE AND WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, WHETHER THIS IS A YES OR A NO VOTE.

SO AT THIS POINT I WILL NOW LET THE APPLICANT COME UP AND

PROVIDE HIS REBUTTAL. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU IF THE FOR THE RECORD DOUG BURNETT, ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP HE EVER IN ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT.

AND SO I WILL STARTS OFF THE REBUTTAL.

HZ HAGA IS GOING TO JOIN ME HERE SHORTLY.

A FEW THINGS. MR. HILSENBECK, WE DON'T CONTROL WHAT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE. WE APOLOGIZE THAT SOMETHING WASN'T IN THERE THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR.

WE COVERED THE ISSUE. I WILL ALSO SAY AS PART OF THAT, THIS ISSUE OF DRAINAGE, THIS PROJECT HAS WHAT I THINK EVERYONE WOULD RECOGNIZE IS AT LEAST ONE OF IF NOT THE PREEMINENT ENGINEERING FIRM WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS ENGLAND, THIMS & MILLER. WITH OVER 200 EMPLOYEES, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT ENGINEERING FIRM. IT IS ONE THAT HAS EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH OUR COUNTY, ONE THAT KNOWS OUR COUNTY VERY WELL AND IS USED TO MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR COUNTY STANDARDS. AND NOT JUST OUR COUNTY STANDARDS BUT ALSO THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, ET CETERA. AND SO WITH THAT I WOULD SAY THAT YOU HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE THAT THIS PROJECT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S RAISED IN THIS AREA AND WOULD BE RAISED ALSO I ASSUME AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER LEVEL, THAT THERE IS A DRAINAGE CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY IN THIS AREA.

WE ARE REQUIRED IN OUR APPLICATION TO SHOW THAT OUR PRE-DEVELOPMENT AND POST-DEVELOPMENT DISCHARGE OF STORM WATER QUHAL, MEANING THAT THIS PROJECT DOES NOT -- WILL NOT DISCHARGE MORE STORM WATER FROM THE SITE POST-DEVELOPMENT THAN IT DISCHARGES CURRENTLY. AND IT ALSO, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS TO MEET THE SAME VOLUME, IT ALSO CAN'T SEND IT ALL TO ONE DIRECTION. WHEREVER IT FLOWS NOW, WHATEVER VOLUME IT FLOWS NOW IS WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO MEET AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE PREPARED TO DO THAT.

WE ALSO UNDERSTAND AND RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT SO OFTEN WHEN PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THIS TYPE OF ISSUE IS RAISED, STAFF GIVES IT ADDITIONAL SCRUTINY WHEN YOU GO THROUGH WITH YOUR SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PLANS. WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

WE APPRECIATE THAT. WE WILL COMMIT TO MEETING OUR PRE-AND-POST DEVELOPMENT DISCHARGE OF STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS. SO FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT WE DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH STORM WATER FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. THE ISSUES RAISED BY MR. SANDERS, CARL SANDERS ON BEHALF OF MOORES, WE TAKE VERY EARNESTLY. I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR TEAM AND THE DEVELOPER IN PARTICULAR HAS TALKED TO MR. AND MS. MOORE DIRECTLY AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

WE'VE COMMUNICATED WITH THEM. WE TBLEEFT ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED LARGELY OF THOSE FOUR OR FIVE ITEMS THAT MR. SANDERS POINTED OUT, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO RESOLVE THOSE BEFORE THE COUNTY COMMISSION. WE MAY NOT MEET OVER EVER EVERYTHING, BUT AS FAR AS THIS ISSUE OF SOME BUFFERING, SOME 8-FOOT FENCE, THE USUAL ON THE FENCE, BY THE WAY, THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO PUT ON THE FENCE ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY IS THE AREA OF WETLANDS TO IMPACT THE WETLANDS WITH A FENCE BUT OTHERWISE THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE.

WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT IT. WE WISH WE COULD HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEAL WITH MR. SANDERS BEFORE TODAY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE HERE'S THE THINGS WE WANT IN WRITING AND WE COULD LOOK AT THOSE, DIGEST THEM AND SAY WE CAN DO THIS, WE CAN DO THIS, WE CAN DO THIS, THIS ONE'S PROBLEMATIC AND HERE'S WHY.

WE'RE NOT AT THAT STAGE YET BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING AND I CAN TELL YOU MOO CLIENT IS COMMITTED TO YOU WORK THROUGH THOSE INITIALS GOOD FAITH TO TRY AND RESOLVE IT.

LIGHTING. I HEARD LIGHTING COME UP.

I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THAT IN THE OLD DAYS THE COUNTY AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DIDN'T HAVE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS, DIDN'T HAVE LIGHTING STANDARDS, SO IT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU WOULD COULD HAVE A SHOPPING CENTER OVER THE THEERNZ AT NIGHTTIME WOULD HAVE A HUGE PARKING FIELD AND HUGE PARKING LIGHTS BROADCAST CAN EVERYWHERE.

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WE WILL MEET TOWS REQUIREMENTS IN CODE SO LIGHTING SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. I HEARD WELL AND SEPTIC.

THIS PROJECT WILL NOT HAVE WELL AND SEPTIC.

THEY'RE A CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER LITTLE THAL BE EXTENDED TO SERVE THIS SITE SO WE WILL NOT HAVE WATER AND SEWER PROBLEMS. THE PROJECT AS DESIGNED FITS THE CRITERIA FOR YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT FITS THE DENSITY UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SO IT'S COMPATIBLE FROM THAT STANDPOINT. ON TRANSPORTATION, JEFF CRAMON'S HERE. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON TRANSPORTATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING HIM UP HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. THE DYNAMIC HAS REALLY SHIFTED FROM WHERE THIS PROJECT STARTED WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY FILED WHEN WE HAD ONE ACCESS COMING OUT ON MANUCY TO NOW WE HAVE TWO ACCESSES AND THE OTHER ONE ALLOWS OBVIOUSLY RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO FLOW TO THE NORTH AND THOSE TRAVELING TO JACKSONVILLE, COMMUTING TO JACKSONVILLE FOR THE LIKE, SO THAT REALLY RELIEVES SOME OF THE TRAFFIC FROM THE MANUCY ROAD AREA ITSELF. WE DO AND WILL MEET, THOUGH, OUR TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENTS AND PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT SHOULD THAT BE REQUIRED.

AN INTERESTING THING AND, DR. MCCORMICK, I'LL JUST DIRECT THIS TOWARDS YOU OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE YOU SIT IN THAT SEAT ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AS THE MEMBER ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL BOARD --

>> WE DO HAVE CAPACITY. WE'VE BEEN TOLD, FOR SCHOOLS FOR THIS PROJECT. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT I BELIEVE HAS CONFIRMED THAT. AND THEN AS LINDSEY COMES UP HERE TO JOIN ME, I WILL SHARE THIS WITH YOU.

I KNOW DORIS PORTER'S JOURNEY TO GETTING TO THIS POINT.

YOU SWEEB MS. PORTER OWNS THIS LAND, AND THEY ARE HUSBAND FED, NOT FRED BUT FED LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, FED PORTER DIED IN 1999. AND FOR A LONG TIME MS. PORTER THOUGHT SHE COULD KEEP UP WITH THE PROPERTY, AND SHE TRIED HER BEST. SHE TRIED TO SELL THE PROPERTY, THOUGH, WHEN SHE RILED SHE COULDN'T KEEP UP WITH THE PROPERTY, AND UNFORTUNATELY, DESPITE A NUMBER OF PROMISES THAT WERE MADE ON HER ON THE ABILITY TO SELL HER HAND, THE RECESSION HIT. AND SHE HAD AN ENORMOUS SETBACK OBVIOUSLY UNTIL NOW, AND HERE WE ARE FINALLY AT A POINT WHERE THERE'S A POTENTIAL WHERE HER PROPERTY WILL BE DEVELOPED FINALLY. AND MS. PORTER IS QUITE ELDERLY AT THIS STAGE, BY THE WAY. AND SO WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK LINDSAY TO WEIGH IN WITH SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT OF THINGS THAT SHE HEARD AND ALSO INVITE YOU TO

ASK QUESTIONS. >> SPEAKER: A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS THAT I HEARD REALLY DEALT WITH COMPATIBILITY AND RESPECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND AS LAND PLANNER WE WORK THE FRAMEWORK THAT'S PROVIDED FORE US ON THE LAND USE MAP STARTING, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO FLIP US BACK TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT SHOWS OUR PROPERTY DESIGNATED HERE FOR RESIDENTIAL B, AND AGAIN IT'S SURROUND TO THE NORTH WITH INDUSTRIAL AND THE AIRPORT DISTRICT. BUT THE RESIDENTIAL B GIVES US OUR FIRST STARTING POINT OF WHAT TYPES OF USES AND CERTAINLY THE DENSITY THAT THE COUNTY HAS ESTABLISHED AS A POLICY HAD TO BEGIN WITH FOR THAT ENTRY POINT FOR WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER IN THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. SO THEN AS WE FAST FORWARD AND WE LOOK IN, WE HAVE OUR ZONING THAT.

, THAT WE SEE WE'RE ADJACENT TO PROPERTIES THAT ARE DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY ARE TO THE SOUTH.

THEN HOW WE TREAT WHAT WE CALL THE POND PARCEL.

SO WE FOLLOWED IN ON THE POLICIES WORKING WITHIN RESIDENTIAL B ON THE TWO DWELLING UNITS TO THE NET ACRE.

THAT GIVES US THAT STARTING POINT ON OUR ACREAGE.

WE'VE PRESERVED 44% OF THE SITE.

WE HAVE LESS THAN 10% OF IMPACTS TO THE WETLAND THAT ARE PRESERVED ON THE PROPERTY. AND WE'VE LOOKED AT ROADWAY NETWORKS ON HAVING THOSE TWO CONNECTION POINTS FOLLOWING IN ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT IS TRIGGERING FOR A LOCAL ROADWAY AS FAR AS WHAT THAT MINIMUM RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH THIS AND THE MINIMUM PAVEMENT WIDTH.

SO WE'VE ESTABLISHED WE'RE WORKING WITHIN OUR LAND USE CATEGORY OF RESIDENTIAL B. WE'RE ZONING IN OUR PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT AND CLUSTERING IN THOSE UNITS.

AND WE'RE FOLLOWING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENT TRIGGERS FOR THE LOCAL ROAD.

WHEN WE INTRODUCE NEW DEVELOPMENT INTO A COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NEW OR DIFFERENT THAN.

THAT'S THE STANDARD FOR WHAT IS COMPATIBLE.

WE ARE CREATING HOMES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO HOMES.

THERE'S FOLKS THAT WILL LIVE AND LOVE TO BE HERE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IT'S NOT THAT THERE IS ANY DIFFERENCE. IT'S JUST THAT IS THAT

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WE'RE NOT DEVIATE NANG. THAT'S TO ENSURE THE COMMUNITY AND YOU AS THE POLICY BOARD THAT WE MET THOSE TESTS.

THOSE WOULD BE THE EXTRA THINGS THAT I WOULD ADD TO DOUG'S STATEMENTS. I WILL MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND THE REST OF OUR TEAM AS WELL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: BOARD MEMBERS, QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. MR. MILLER.

DR. HILSENBECK, YOU GOT ON THE QUEUE FIRST.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I HAVE SOME COMMENTS.

YOU SAID THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS NOT REALLY ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. I DISAGREE.

I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THERE, AND IT IS NOT THE SAME AT ALL, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I JUST DO NOT THINK THIS FITS THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL, THAT COMMUNITY IN THERE, THAT PART OF THE COUNTY, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND CURRENTLY IT'S ZONED OPEN RURAL.

AND YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE IF IT WAS RESIDENTIAL B RIGHT NOW.

YOU WOULDN'T BE ASKING FOR US TO REZONE THAT.

SO I THINK IT SHOULD STAY OPEN RURAL FRANKLY.

THE RESIDENTS HAVE REALLY SPOKEN LOUD AND CLEAR ABOUT THIS.

THEY DON'T WANT THIS. I REALLY -- AFTER BEING OUT THERE AND SEEING HOW WET IT WAS ALL ALL AND LOOKING AT THE AERIAL, STUDYING THOSE, SOMEBODY MENTIONED THERE ARE NOT AS MANY WETLAND SHOWING ON YOUR MAP AS THERE REALLY ARE.

FOR YEARS I WORKED AS A CONSERVATIONIST AND WE HAD WHAT WERE CULLED SILVICULTURALLY ALTERED WETLAND WHERE A FOREST LANDOWNER WOULD GO IN AND THEY WOULD TAKE A LOT OF THE WETLANDS AND PLANT THAT IN PINE. SO INITIALLY, PERHAPS IT'S IN YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT THAT I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT -- THANK YOU FOR NOW SUPPLYING THAT -- SOME OF THOSE ARE SILVICULTURALLY ALTERED WETLANDS.

THEY STILL MAY BE WETLAND BUT THEY HAVE PLANTED PINE ON THEM INSTEAD OF OTHER VEGETATION. SO I JUST THINK THIS IS A REALLY UNSUITABLE AND OUT-OF-CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT BEING PROPOSED THERE.

I THINK THE TRAFFIC SITUATION IS REALLY INSURMOUNTABLE.

REAL TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ARE GOING TO RESULT FROM THIS IF IT'S DEVELOPED. AND I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT DRIVING ALONG PORTER ROAD EXTENSION, SO YOU'RE DRIVING WET AFTER YOU TURN THE CORNER FROM PORTER ROAD, ONTO PORTER ROAD EXTENSION THERE'S A LARGE 8-FOOT HIGH FENCE, LOOKS LIKE A GAME FENCE, SOMEBODY'S NICE PROPERTY BACK IN THERE, BUT THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL SIGNS FOR THE ST. JOHNS WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THAT THAT IS THEIR OWNERSHIP.

I JUST WONDERED WHY THAT IS NOT COMING UP ON ANY MAPS WHATSOEVER IF INDEED THAT IS OWNED BY THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, AND THAT FEEDS IN I ASSUME, UNDER POSTER ROAD EXTENSION ONTO THIS PROPERTY. I'M CURIOUS WHY THAT HAS NOT SHOWN UP. I REALLY DON'T ENJOY AT ALL GOING UP AGAINST YA'LL. YA'LL ARE REALLY TOP-NOTCH ATTORNEY AND PLANNED LAND PLANNER WITH GREAT FIRMS, AND IT GIVES ME NO JOY OR PLEASURE, SATISFACTION.

AS A SAID THIS AT A MEETING RECENT, I DON'T LIKE TO OPPOSE THESE THINGS, BUT THIS IS JUST COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER, AND I CAN'T VOTE FOR IT. HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT. I CANNOT SUPPORT IT.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. MILLER.

>> MR. MILLER: DOUG, WERE YOU ABLE TO GET WITH CARL ON THE LIST OF CONDITIONS FOR IF THERE IS A MOTION TO AMEND?

>> SPEAKER: THE QUICK THING I CAN TELL ON YOU THAT, ZACH, IS THAT RIGHT BEFORE I GOT UP TO DO REBUTTAL, HE'S GOT A LIST OF IT LOOKS LIKE FIVE THINGS ON TWO OR THREE SHEETS OF PAPER.

I HEARD WHAT HE SAID. WE UNDERSTAND THOSE ISSUES.

AND SO THE BEST I CAN TELL IS CONSIDERING THE TIME OF THE DAY, THAT UNLESS WE SPENT THE NEXT 30 MINUTES OR AN HOUR TO HASH THROUGH AND COME UP WITH AND HAVE IT FOR YOU, IT'S GOING TO PROLONG THE MEETING, AND SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD TELL YOU ON THAT IS WE UNDERSTAND, WE HEARD WHAT WAS ANNOUNCED, WE UNDERSTAND, WE BELIEVE THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WE CAN CERTAINLY RESOLVE MOST IF NOT ALL OF THOSE ISSUES WITH THE MOORES OF BEING MR. SANDER'S

CLIENT. >> I'VE ALREADY MISSED LUNCH AND DINNER, SO I CAN WAIT. BUT JUST ONE POINT I THINK DR. HILSENBECK SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE IF E. YOU WERE ASKING FOR IT TO BE RES-B. IT IS RES-B.

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THIS IS TWO UNITS PER NET ACRE. SOMETHING IS GOING TO GO IN HERE AT SOME POINT IN TIME. IT DOESN'T MEAN THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO GO IN THERE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

I'LL BE PONCE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND SOMEONE ON THIS BOARD THAT IS MORE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT OR PROPERTY RIGHTS AS ME BUT I HAVE SOME SERIOUS RESERVATIONS ABOUT THIS.

THESE ARE 50-FOOT WIDE LOTS AND 660,000 SCARE FOOT LOTS ON OPEN RURAL ALL PARENT THE CLOSEST ZONING TO THAT IS VRV 3 WHICH IS 7500 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AT 75% LOT COVERAGE.

THESE ARE 45. I'M NOT SAYING I AM VOTING FOR THIS OR AGAINST THIS BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMUNITY FIND ONE PERSON EITHER BEFORE COUNTY COMMISSION OR IF THERE'S A DEFERRAL TONIGHT TO SPEAK OH ALL YOUR CONCERNS AND TRY TO HAMMER OUT A DEAL WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THIS AND WORK WITH MS. HAGA, WORK WITH MR. BURNETT AND THEN WORK WITH MR. CRAMON.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND A BETTER GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WORK WITH ON THIS, AND I PROMISE YOU WHATEVER RESOLUTION YOU COME TO, IT WILL BE THE BEST YOU CAN GET.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. PIERRE.

>> MR. PIERRE: YES, SIR. I LISTENED TO THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS, AND A LOT OF THEM OVERWHELMINGLY HAD TO DO WITH THE FLOOD AND THE TRAFFIC, AND I ACTUALLY THINK THESE WERE EXISTING THINGS RIGHT NOW AND THE ISSUES THAT'S GOING TO COME IF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWED TO GO THROUGH.

I KNOW THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT YOU PLAN TO WORK OUT, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE PROCESS IF WE CAN DEFER THIS ITEM SO THAT THEY CAN WORK THIS STUFF OUT AND THEN COME BACK.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WELL, IT'S SOMEWHAT UP ON THE APPLICANT.

WE CAN DECIDE, BUT GENERALLY WE LET THE APPLICANT DECIDE WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE DECIDE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. DR. HYNES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I JUST WANTED TO SAY I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSPOKE WITH THE BESS RES-B ZONING.

THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT >> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THE FROM AGENCY MEMBERS OF THE APPLICANT I HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF WHICH I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE THIS ACCESS POINT TO THE SOUTH BECAUSE IT LOOKS SO THIN COMPARED TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY INSIDE THE SUBDIVISION AND SO MY QUESTION OF STAFF, AND THE RIGHT PERSON IS COMING UP HERE TO ANSWER IT, I BELIEVE, HAS TO DEAL WITH RIGHT-OF-WAY WISH FOR ACCESS, AND I DON'T MEAN WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, I MEAN THE ROADS THAT WERE DRIVING TO.

IF YOU HAVE A SUB GIGS AND YOU ARE NOT CORRECT -- DUB SUBDIVISION AND YOU ARE NOT DONATING A ROADWAY 50-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY, DOES THAT COMPLY WITH OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, TRANTHAM, SENIOR DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PLANNER GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TALKS ABOUT EXISTING PAVED FACILITIES WHICH ALL OF THE VAN USEY ROAD ACCESS IS A EXISTING PAVED LOCAL ROAD. IT TALKS ABOUT THE MINIMUM PAVEMENT WIDTH FOR A LOCAL ROAD WOULD NEED TO BE 18 FEET, AND IT DOES MEET THAT STANDARD. IT MEETS THE MINIMUM.

IT DOES NOT HAVE A MINIMUM RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH.

IF THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED AND THEY CANNOT FIT THEM WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY, THAT'S WHEN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ISSUE WOULD COME UP.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WHAT POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS COULD THERE BE IN THIS SWAYS? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, JENN?

>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS, THEY ARE NOT ADDING ENOUGH TRAFFIC TO ANY OF THE ROADS TO INCREASE THE VOLUME THAT WOULD TRIGGER A FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION CHANGE, SO YOU HAVE A LOCAL ROAD WHICH HAS A CERTAIN VOLUME THAT IS PERMITTED. IF YOU GO OVER THAT VOLUME, THEN IT'S A FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION CHANGE TO A COLLECTOR.

THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO UPGRADE IT TO A COLLECTOR.

BUT THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT WITH THE TWO ACCESS POINTS.

IF YOU HAD ONE ACCESS POINT ONLY, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT TALK ABOUT REQUIRING SIDEWALKS.

THEY HAVE PROPOSED SOME SIDEWALKS ON THE ROADS THAT THEY WILL BE -- I THINK THEIR FRONTAGE IS ON MANUCY AND THE -- DON'T KNOW THE SIDE ROAD OVER TO THE MOORES.

I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THAT ROAD OR IF THAT'S ACTUALLY AN EXTENSION OF MAN USEY. SO MAN USEY.

SO THEY WILL BE BUILDING SIDEWALKS TO THE EXISTING ROADS TO THE EXIT CAN RIGHT-OF-WAY IS WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, AND I KNOW DUPT DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT GENERALLY ONE HOUSE GENERATES ONE P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIP.

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TRIPS FOR TWO HOURS? >> SPEAKER: IT'S PER HOUR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU. GO AHEAD.

MR. MILLER. HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

MR. MILLER IS NEXT ON THE QUEUE.

>> TRANTHAM, I HAVE ONE QUICK FOLLOW-UP AND I APOLOGIZE IF IT'S IN THE MATERIALS AND I DIDN'T SIGHT.

A 40-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY, IS THAT GOING TO BE WIDE ENOUGH TO FIT ALL THE WATER AND SEWER THAT'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT TO THE

SITE? >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. THAT WOULD BE AN ENGINEERING LEVEL DESIGN. THEY CERTAINLY NEED TO GET THE WATER AND SEWER TO THE SITE. IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. AND THAT'S A UTILITY DEPARTMENT ISSUE. THEY MAY ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT IF THEY'VE GOT THAT ENGINEERING LEVEL DONE.

>> MR. MILLER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

FOR. >> DR. HILSENBECK: YOU MENTIONED THE PAVED WIDTH OF MANUCY ROAD AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THERE. HOW ABOUT PORTER ROAD?

>> I LEFT MY LIST BACK THERE, SO I NEED TO GO LOOK AT IT, BUT I BELIEVE PORTER -- CAN YOU HANG ON JUST A SECOND?

>> DR. HILSENBECK: YES. THANK YOU.

>> I'LL JUST ADD, MR. CHAIRMAN WHILE JAN'S COMING BACK UP TO HER EXPLANATION OF WHAT WHAT WE'RE CIEWLG CALLING THE EAST-WEST IS THE PRIVATE EASEMENT THAT CONNECTS TO MAN USEY. OUR CHOLESTEROLLIZED MAP JUST CLICKS INTO WHAT THE MAIVMENT PAVEMENT WIDTH WHICH IS 24 FEET OF PAVEMENT SO THAT MEETS THAT COLLECTIVE STANDARD.

THAT'S WHAT MR. MOORE HAD PAVED.

>> MR. MATOVINA: THE EASEMENT IS MUCH WIDER.

>> YES. WE HAD JUST COLOR THAT IN.

IT LOOKS SKINNY. YES, SIR.

>> BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO US, PORTER ROAD HAS EXISTING PAVEMENT WIDTH OF 20 FEET AND AN EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THE NORTH-SOUTH PART OF 60 FEET, AND THE

EAST-WEST PORTION OF 50 FEET. >> DR. HILSENBECK: SO YOU SAID IT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU. YOU DIDN'T MEASURE THIS

YOURSELF? >> I DID NOT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THE NEIGHBORS THAT SAID THE

RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS 30 FEET. >> THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT

SARTILLO. >> DR. HILSENBECK: PORTER ROAD

SEEMS TO BE MORE NARROW. >> THERE IS AWAY NO INFORMATION PROVIDED ON SARTILLO OH THE APPLICANT MAY NEED TO GATHER

THAT INFORMATION. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. >> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ADD TO

THAT? >> MR. MATOVINA: I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU A QUESTION THAT MIGHT HELP TO YOU ADD TO IT.

THE EAST-WEST ROAD, WHAT'S THE NAME THAT OF ROAD DWYANE?

>> IT'S NOT LABELED. IT'S MANUCY BUT IT'S THE PRIVATE EASEMENT. ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE

ALPHABETICAL ON THAT ROADSIDE. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

SO THAT EASEMENTS, WHO WAS HAS FEE SIMPLE OWNER SHICH THAT?

>> OUR PROPERTY OWNER, AND THEN IT'S AN EASEMENT OVER TO IT GET TO THE NOOR EVER MOORES' PROPERTY, AND SO THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION AND WHAT DOUG WAS SAYING AS FAR AS MR. SANDERS ABOUT TO WOULD MAINTAIN THAT PART OF OUR PLAT TO SHOW HOW WE CONNECT TO MAN USEY AND INTO OUR INTERNAL ROAD NETWORK.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IT WOULD BECOME A PLATTED ROADWAY WHETHER IT'S OWNED BY THE HOA OR OWNED BY THE COUNTY EITHER WAY, IT'S GOING TO BE A PLATTED ROADWAY AND YOU WILL GRANT THE RIGHT, THE RIGHTS WILL CONTINUE FOR THE TO USE THAT ROUTE.

>> YES, SIR. THEN JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY DISCUSSION, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PART OF THE PORTER ROAD, WE COLLECT IT FROM THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT HERE WITH THE COUNTY, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH AS WELL AS THE WORKING WITH OUR OWN SURVEY COMPANY TO COLLECT THOSE RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH, AND THEN RIGHT WHERE PORTER TURNS IT BECOMES SARTILLO.

THAT'SWHERE THE NEIGHBORS WERE SPEAKING AS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BEING 30 FEET THE PAVEMENT MEASURING EITHER VEREEN 18 FEET. WE MEASURED THAT AT 18 FEET.

SO PORTER ROAD HAS A WIDER RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THEN 50 FEET AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH AS YOU HEAD EAST.

SO A LITTLE VARIABLE TAKEAWAY IS VARIABLE WIDTH AND IS RIGHT-OF-WAY, SARTILLO BEING SMALLER THAN THE PORTER ROAD.

>> AND FOR TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, DR. HILSENBECK I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS DATABASE REALTIME AND IT SCALES OUT TO BE

AT LEAST THAT. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OF THE AGENCY MEMBERS?

MR. MILLER. >> MR. MILLER: MR. BURNETT, GIVEN THE BACK AND FORTH AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND THE CONDITIONS THAT CARL HAS PROPOSED, WOULD YOU AND YOUR CLIENT BE WILLING FOR A DEFERRAL SO THAT THIS CAN BE AT LEAST PACKAGED IN ONE WAY, SHAPE OR FORM AND NOT HAVE TO BE HASHED OUT IN FRONT OF THE THE BOARD OF OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS?

>> WE DON'T ANTICIPATE IT WOULD BE HASHED OUT IN FRONT OF THE

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WE CAN COMMIT TO THAT AND DRAW ON IT MDP MAP AND PUT IN IT THERE. IT SEEMS A LOT OF THIS IS MORE COMPLEX WHERE NOT ONLY IS IT SOMETHING YOU WE'RE PUTTING IN THE MPPED TEXT OR BUT IT MAY BE OUTSIDE THE COUNTY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVE A DEED RESTRICTION, AND THE COUNTY DOESN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO BE A PART OF OUR DEED RESTRICTION, IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD DRAFT WITH THEM, AGREE UPON IT, IF POSSIBLE, AND HAE THAT TEED UP AND READY TO GO.

THAT ISSUE MAY NOT EVEN BE ONE, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION IAN HEARS. OBVIOUSLY THE ISSUE OF WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT TIE FENCE OR WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT FOR ADDITIONAL BUFFERING, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WE CAN PUT IN THE PUD TEXT, BUT ON THE MDP MAP BUT THE OTHER PARTS OF THE AGREEMENT TYPICALLY MR. MY EXPERIENCE THEY WIND BEING A SIDE AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAVE WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER. THE COUNTY DOESN'T WANT TO BE A PART PARTY, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THEY DON'T WANT TOY A PARTY TO YOUR DEED RESTRICTIONS, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TO THE COUNTY AND COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO NEGOTIATE AND TAKE UP THEIR TIME WITH. WE DEAL WITH THAT PRIVATELY.

SO FROM THAT ASPECT OF IT, IT ITZ SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING -- WE'RE NOT ON THE FIRST MEETING, BY THE WAY.

WE'RE ON THE SECOND MEETING NEXT MONTH SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO TRY AND RESOLVE THOSE ISSUES.

>> MR. MILLER: THAT SHEEMS ELECTRIC A NO.

THE OTHER THOUGHTID AND I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND I THINK THEIR HELPFUL GETTING FEED WACK, YOU'RE DEALING WI PUD AND THERE'S BACK AND FORTH IT'S REGARD TO NEGOTIATED WITH 39 DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

SOMETIMES ON A DEFERRAL WHAT CAN HAPPEN IS THE COMMUNITY CAN DESIGNATED ONE OR TWO PEOPLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVES AND THAT'S SORT OF THE FINAL SAY ON IT.

SO THAT WOULD SORT OF BE MY RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT.

>> AND IF I COULD BRIEFLY, THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WE WOUND P HAVING FOUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS BECAUSE WE KEPT ADDRESSING ISSUES, KEPT ADDRESSING ISSUES. OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGEST ONE WAS HAVING THE TWO ACCESS POINTS THAT CAME OWCHT FIRST FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING. WE KEPT ADDRESSING ISSUES AND LISTENING TO THE MOORES. OBVIOUSLY, NOW THEY'RE REPRESENTED, AND HE HAS COMMENTS OF THINGS THAT HE WANTS US TO ADDRESS, AND WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO HAVE AN OPEN EAR AND

TRY AND NEGOTIATE THOSE ITEMS. >> MR. MILLER: UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. SANDER, WOULD YOU STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE.

WHAT WOULD BE YOUR DRUTHERS IN THIS CASE ANY JUST WANT THE BOARD MEMBERS TO KNOW. KEEP IT BRIEF, PLEASE.

>> I APOLOGIZE. >> I SAID WHAT WOULD BE YOUR DRUTHERS? WHAT WOULD YOU PREFER?

>> MY DRUTHERS -- I I MEAN IT WOULD BE TO DIFFERENT, AND I SUBMITTED THAT REQUEST LAST NIGHT OSH LATE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON TO MR. BURNETT. HIS CLIENT AS UNABLE TO ACCOMMODATED THAT SO I'M SCRAMBLING HERE TODAY.

MY PREFERENCE TO BE TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES FULLY FOR THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER BEFORE THIS BOARD MAKES A RECOMMENDATION, WHATEVER THAT RECOMMENDATION IS, THAT THIS BOARD HAS ALL THOSE FACTS BEFORE THEY GO TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

PER YOUR REQUEST, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE BRIEFLY DRAFTED THE FIVE CONDITIONS OR REALLY FOUR, ONE OUTSTANDING ISSUE, THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER IN THE EVENT THAT YOU WANT TO DO THAT ON THE FLOOR. I'VE MISSED MY DINNERTIME, TOO, OH I CAN BE HERE ALL NIGHT BUT MY PRERCH IS NOT TO DO THAT OUT OF RESPECT CERTAINLY FOR STAFF'S TIME AND FOR THE AGENCY'S TIME AS WELL. WHATEVER YOUR PREFERENCE IS, CERTAINLY DO WHAT WE CAN TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND WITH

YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: DESPITE THE PROTEIN BAR THAT I ATE ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF AGO, I'M STARTING TO GET HANGRY. I'M TURNING TO THE BOARD MEMBERS AND I'M ASKING IS THERE A MOTION AT THIS POINT.

MR. MILLER. >> MR. MILLER: I WOULD MOVE TO DEFER THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS EVERYBODY HAS SORT OF WORKED THROUGH, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE EVERYONE COMING UP AND SAYING THE SAME THINGS THEY SAID AT THIS MEETING, BUT THEN WE'RE AT LEAST CLEAR ONWHERE EVERYTHING STANDS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE A DATE CERTAIN YOU WOULD MOVE TO

DEFER THIS TO? >> MR. MILLER: JUST THE TWO

WEEKS NLTZ 19TH. >> CAN WE HAVEY ONE MOMENT? I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN ACCEPT THE DEFERRAL.

CAN WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO REVIEW MR. SANDERS' FIVE

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MOVE THIS TONIGHT? >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. MILLER, YOU MADE THE MOTION. I'LL LET YOU DECIDE WHETHER YOU

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WANT TO WITHDRAW OR NOT. >> MR. MILLER: OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S ATTORNEY GENERAL CLIENT CONFIDENTIAL I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN'T SAY IT, BUT IS THERE A PARTICULAR REASON? DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE TRANSACTIONAL NATURE WHAT'S GO

ON WITH THE PROPERTY? >> I'M NOT THE TRANSACTIONAL LAWYER ON THIS, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YES.

>> MR. MILLER: I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND MAYBE WE CAN MOVE TO OTHER THINGS WHILE WE SPEAK ABOUT THIS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE'RE GOING PUT THIS ITEM IN ABEYANCE.

THE PUBLIC SPEAKING PART OF THIS IS DONE BUT WE HAVE NOT MADE A DECISION YET, SO IF YOU WANT TO HEAR THE DECISION, YOU HAVE TO STAY A LITTLE LONGER. BUT THE PUBLIC SPEAKING PART IS DONE. AND WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON AT THIS POINT TO ITEM NUMBER 14 WHICH I ALSO BELIEVE IS A LAND USE CHANGE WITH A COMPANION REZONING.

AND MR. BURNETT, ARE YOU REPRESENTING THAT ITEM?

>> YES, MR. CHAIR. I THINK WE'RE READY TO GO BECAUSE THAT PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS, THEY'VE GOT IT,

AND I THINK WE'RE FINE. >> MR. MATOVINA: OKAY.

ANY SPART ON ITEM 15? -- ANY EX PARTE ON ITEM 15?

>> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD DOUG BIR ET 1 RECORD IF ZEE CREST IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

HERE TODAY ON THE STONECREST PROJECT IT'S TWO ITEMS. IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND A COMPANION PUD.

IF YOU WILL RECALL, OTHER THAN MR. PIERRE, THE REST OF YOU MAY RECALL THIS ORIGINALLY GOT A 7-0 VOTE ON TRANSMITTAL FROM THE P SEAVMENT AND WENT ON TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO & TO THE A GIVE-0 VOTE FOR TRANSMITTAL AND NOW WE'RE BACK FOR THE ADOPTION HEARING ON THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE REZONING ON THE PUD AND I'M GOING TO TALK FAST SO I CAN GET THROUGH THIS PROJECT HOPEFULLY IDENTITY EXPEDIENCY OF TIME.

I'M 95, RACE TRACK ROAD, USIN' IEWNCHTS 1 SHOWING UP ON YOUR AERIAL. TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. YOU CAN SEE HERE THE SITE LARGELY SURROUND BY INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH.

AND THAT IS THE DUVAL COUNTY UNT BOUNDARY WHICH IS WHY THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOESN'T ACCIDENT EXTENDS ANY FURTHER TO THE NORTH BUT THAT IS BARTRAM TO THE NORTH.

ZOOMING OUT, YOU CAN SEE THE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL THERE.

THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN REFERRED TO OFTENTIMES TS THE DURBIN NATIONAL PROJECT, THE GATE PROJECT OF INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL. AROUND US IT'S LOCATED -- THE SITE IS LOCATED SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE THERE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S PRETTY INTENSE DEVELOPMENT AROUND US, EITHER EXISTING OR PLANNED FOR IN THE FUTURE.

YOU CAN SEE THE BOUNDARY OF THE DURBIN NATIONAL.

YOU CAN SEE OUR SITE IN THE MIDDLE THERE THAT IS RURAL/SILVICULTURE CURRENTLY. PULLING UP THE MIXED USE LIFESTYLE CENTER, THE MOST RECENT PLAN THAT I THINK I COULD FIND RELATED TO THE DURBIN PROJECT.

THAT IS THAT IN THAT PLAN THERE IS OVER 2,000 MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT THAT'S FORECASTED TO GO THERE, WHETHER IT'S TOWNHOME, CONDOMINIUM, APARTMENTS, OVER 2,000 UNITS.

THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE HAVE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT IS THE DIFFERENCE OPINION WITH STAFF, YOU MAY RECALL, IS THAT TYPICALLY IN A PERFECT PLANNING WORLD WE STEP DOWN OUR INTENSITIES, SO WE GO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, LESS INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL.

THEN WE GO MULTI-FAMILY. THEN WE GO SINGLE FAMILY.

AND SO FROM A PERFECT PLAN AREAS PERSPECTIVE YOU WOULD LOOK AT OUR SITE EXPAI PUT MULTI-FAMILY THERE, BUT MULTI-FAMILY DOESN'T WORK IDEALLY THERE. MY CLIENT WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE MULTI-FAMILY AND THERE'S ALL RIGHT SO MUCH MULTI-FAMILY PLANNED FOR THAT AREA THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE GOOD SENSE.

A FEW THINGS LOOKING AT THE SITE LINING AT THE PUD MDP MAP.

THERE'S 147 LOTS, 46 TOTAL ACRES, 16 ACRES OPEN SPACE, 14 WETLAND ACRES OR PRESERVED, AND I POINT OUT THIS IS A KB HOME PROJECT, AND I POINT THAT OUT VERY PROUDLY BECAUSE KB HAS A GREAT HISTORY WITHIN OUR COUNTY.

THEY HAVE A GREAT HISTORY IN OUR COUNTY WITH PROJECTS THAT ARE CHALLENGING. THIS ONE'S NOT, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE AND HAVE A RECORD OF THAT.

THE HERITAGE OAKS PROJECT THAT KB DID PRESERVED VERY VALUABLE SPECIMEN TREES AND SO GREAT PROJECTS THAT THEY'VE DONE IN OUR COUNTY. GOING BACK TO AN AERIAL JUST TO

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WHICH IS NOW THE -- YOU CAN SEE ALSO THE DOG TRACK WHICH IS CHAPPELL TRACY HAS NOW BEEN DEMOLISHED, BUT THE CENTEX PROJECT THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS IS A MIXTURE OF SINGLE FAMILY, TOWNHOME AND MULTI-FAMILY IN THE FORM OF CONDOMINIUM/APARTMENT. WE'VE DURCHG THAT WE NEED TO DO TO SUPPORT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POOVMENTD WE DONE OUR MARKET STUDY WITH ECONOMIC IMPACT, FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS.

STUDIES ARE ALL FAVORABLE. I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THIS.

IT'S IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. VERY STRONG DEMAND.

FISCALLY POSITIVE. IMPACT FEE CREDITS.

$2.2MILLION REVENUE. IT CREATES JOBS, QUITE A FEW JOBS, GOOD-PAYING -- GOOD REVENUE JOBS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EXTENT OF BUILD-OUT ON THIS PROJECT.

AND AN INTERESTING THING, COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS WARRANTED WHEN? WHEN YOU HAVE ANY ONE OF THESE FACTORS.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JOB CREATION, PRESERVATION OF THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT OR OTHER PUBLIC BENEFIT.

I SUBMIT TO YOU WE'LL CHERVEG ONE OF THOSE BOXES BEFORE THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY COMES TO FRUITION.

BECAUSE IT'S A COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS I'LL RUN THROUGH PUBLIC SERVICES BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING A PREVENT KAPLAN AMOUNT OF.

UMENT SERVICE WEAR EVE ERR WOO A UNDATED WATER AND SEWER LETTER.

THEIR SYSTEM CAN HANDLE IT. OBVIOUSLY THOSE LINES ARE ALREADY THERE ON RACE TRACK ROAD.

TRAFFIC INDICATES THAT THE PROJECT, THERE'S CAPACITY ON DIRECT ACCESS LINK. PUBLIC EFNT BENEFIT FROM THE PROJECT. WE ANTICIPATE TO HAVE A PROCEEDINGS ARE AT FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT FOR TRANSPORTATION THAT'LL BE PAID TO THE COUNTY EVEN THOUGH THE DIRECT ACCESS LINK HAS CAPACITY. OVERALL FOUR MILE RADIUS.

WE WILL HAVE TO PAY TOWARDS TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY.

WE'RE GETTING THAT APPLICATION SUBMITTED.

SCHOOL CONCURRENCY. THERE IS CAPACITY CURRENTLY.

WE CAN'T FILE UNTIL ADOPTION BUT WE DO HAVE THE LETTER BACK FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD KOCH FIRM THERE'S CAPACITY FOR SCHOOLS.

PEACOCK. THERE'S NO SPECIES, WILDLIFE OR MATANZAS THAT WERE LISTED OR ENDANGERED SO WE SHOULD BE GOOD ON THAT FRONT. TRANSMITTAL.

WHEN IT WAS TRANSMITTED WE GOT ONE COMMENT BACK FROM A STATE AGENCY OF ANY PARTICULAR INTEREST, AND WITH THAT THAT COMMENT WAS IS THERE'S BLACK BEARS IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

OVERGENERALIZATION OF WHAT IT SAID.

BASICALLY IT SAID THERE'S BLACK BEARS IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

THEY HAD RECOMMENDED CRITERIA IN THEIRMENT OF THINGS THEY WANTED YOU TO DO DURING CONSTRUCTION SUCH AS NOT LEAVING OPEN CONTAINERS OUT OVERNIGHT IN TRASH BARRELS WHERE BLACK BEARS WOULD BE ATTRACTED TO THE AREA. WE'VE COMMITTED TO THAT.

WE REVISED OUR PUD TEXTED SUBSEQUENT TO TRANSMITTAL TO'LL ADD THE CRITERIA THERE THAT FWC WANTED TO SEE AS YOU BIDE BY.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHY DON'T YOU JUST POST SIGNS THAT SAY, BLACK

BEARS DON'T GET IN THE TRASH? >> SPEAKER: VERY TRUE.

AND IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT BLACK BEARS ARE NOT ON THE SITE. IT'S JUST THEY'RE KNOWN TO BE IN THE AREA. WE'LL STILL ACCOMMODATE IT.

NO ARCHAEOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE ON THE SITE.

WE'VE GOT THAT CONFIRMED. NO EAGLES' NEST ANYWHERE AROUND THE SITE. HIRE HYDRANTS ARE FEAR BY.

WE ARE WITHIN THE FIVE MALE RADIUS FOR FIRE STATION SERVICE. AGAIN WE MEET THE CRITERIA FOR WHEN A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS WARRANTED, AND ANY ONE OF THESE WOULD JUSTIFY IT. AS WE READ THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE HAVE ALL OF THEM. TRANSMITTAL HEARINGS, AGAIN, WHEN YOU A ALREADY KNOW ON THIS MOTION BY MS. PERKINS, SECONDED BY MAR ALAIMO, IT WAS A EVERYONE IS-0 MOTION TO APPROVE TRANSMITTAL. COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WHITE PURSE HURST AND DEAN IN A 5-0 VOTE THERE ON TRANSMITTAL.

WE REALLY THINK WE'RE THE HOLE IN THE DOUGHNUT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RED LINE, TWIE I. BY THE WAY, IS THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY, AND THIS IS WHERE WE WANT DEVELOPMENT BUT IT GOES RIGHT AROUND OUR CIRCUIT IN THE MIDDLE WHERE WE'RE SURROUNDED BY INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL.

IT MAKES SENSE. AS YOU HEAR FROM TIME TO TIME, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITES THAT WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE COMP PLAN IS WARRANTED AND THE PUD COMPANION TO GO WITH THAT IS OBVIOUSLY -- FITS WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT ONCE IT'S GRANTED. WITH THAT I'LL STOP TALKING AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM AGENCY MEMBERS?

DR. HILSENBECK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: THIS IS

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YOU REALLY ARE THE HOLE IN THE DOUGHNUT THERE.

I NORMALLY HAVE, AS YOU KNOW, VOTED AGAINST CHANGING RURAL CIVIL SURCHL LAND TO DEVELOPMENT -- SILVER LAND TO DEVELOPMENT BUT YOU ARE TO HOLE IN THE NOTICE SURROUND BY INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL. I VOTED FOR THIS PREVIOUSLY, AS WAS NOTED, AND I'LL VOTE FOR IT AGAIN.

>> AND FRESH THAT. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: HAVE YOU GOT ANY REBUTTAL WITH THAT?

>> SPEAKER: NO, SIR. I KNOW WHEN TO SHUT UP.

>>> >> MR. MATOVINA: ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DR. MCCORMICK.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ON ITEM -- WHAT ITEM ARE

WE ON? >> DR. MCCORMICK: MY MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENT 2020-08 STONECREST BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE'VE THE GUY MOTION BY DR. MCCORMICK.

IS THAT A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. OKAY.

6-0. ALL RIGHT.

YOU GOT SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY, DR. MCCORMICK?

>> DR. MCCORMICK: NO. >> MR. MATOVINA: NO?

>> DR. MCCORMICK: OH, YES I DO.

>> MR. MATOVINA: I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT.

>> DR. MCCORMICK: I'VE GOT TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

>> MR. MATOVINA: YES, SIR. >> DR. MCCORMICK: HANG ON A

MINUTE. >> SPEAKER: PLEASE.

>> DR. MCCORMICK: HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT.

MY MOTION THIS TIME IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 2020-11 STONECREST PUD SUBJECT TO NINE FINDINGS OF FACT AS

LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> MR. MATOVINA: MOTION BY DR. MCCORMICK. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. PERKINS. ANY DISCUSSION?

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CONGRATULATIONS, MR. BURNETT. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. SANDERS, ARE YOU READY? HE'S LEAVING. ALL RIGHT.

I THOUGHT HE SAID HE WAS READY. SMNCHTS THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND WE'RE STILL REVIEWING SOME OF THESE ITEMS. I WERE TOLD WE COULD COME BACK UP AND I WILL READ THESE OUT AND ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVE WILL BE HERE TO SAY AOR NAY ON.

>> MR. MATOVINA: JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE ARE BACK ON ITEM NUMBER 13 ON THE AGENDA AT THIS POINT, SO WE ARE BACK REALLY IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, DONE WITH THE PUBLIC SPEAKING.

>> SPEAKER: THROUGH THE CHARITY TO AGENCY, AS I MADE REFERENCE IN MY INITIAL COMMENTS, MY CLIENTS HAVE FIVE ISSUES, OUTSTANDING ISSUES AND CONCERNS WITH THIS PROJECT.

THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED FOUR OF THOSE.

THE FIFTH ISSUE HAS TO DO WITH, AGAIN, THE MANUCY ROAD ACCESS POINT AND THE SUFFICIENCY OR LACK THEREOF OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, 40-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY ON MANUCY TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS TYPE OF IMPACT.

I JUST HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO FULLY LOOK AT THOSE ISSUES YET SO THAT'S WHY I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK FULL OH THAT TODAY BUT I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT MY CLIENTS ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY CONDITIONS ON THE MANUCY ROAD ISSUE TODAY BUT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT FURTHER, AND MY CLIENTS HAVE VERY SIMILAR, VERY SIMILAR CONCERNS AS TO MANY OF THOSE THAT WERE EXPRESSED EARLIER TODAY AS TO THE MANUCY ROAD ACCESS POINT.

SO THE CONDITIONS THAT I HAVE PROPOSED ARE FOURFOLD, AND I TOOK THESE FROM MANY OF THESE FROM THE AGREEMENTS THAT MR. MOORE HAD PREVIOUSLY ENTERED INTO WITH THE SOUTHERN -- WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF HIS PROPERTY, THE -- I THINK IT'S SAWLD LAST SALINAS WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY THE NORTHRIDGE PUD AND A MAJOR MOD WAS DONE ABOUT TEN YEARS LATER AND IT WAS THE WOODLAWN PUD, AND MR. BURNETT MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE WITH THESE THINGS AND WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO. WE'VE GOT DIRECT EXPERIENCE WITH THIS ISSUE AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS, AND WE WANT TO PREVENT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT OCCURRED WITH THAT SOUTHERN PROPERTY FROM OCCURRING HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE HAVE REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE WITH IT. SO THESE CONDITIONS ARE A COMBINATION OF CONDITIONS IN THE ACTUAL PUD BECAUSE WE WANT THE PUBLIC ON NOTICE. WE WANT IT -- TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS PUD IS EVER APPROVED, WE WANT THESE CONDITIONS TO THE FENCING AND SETBACK ISSUES IN THAT DOCUMENT.

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AND THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE THE FIRST TIME WE JUST WENT THE PUD ROUTE, AND THEN THE PROPERTY CHANGED HANS EVER HANDS AFTER THE CRASH AND THE NEW DEVELOPER SAID WE'RE NOT SUBJECT TO ANY OF THOSE BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN THE ACTUAL PUD DOCUMENT THAT WAS RECORDED BY THE COUNTY.

FORTUNATELY WE WERE ABLE TO RESOLVE THOSE ISSUES, AND THE EASY WAY TO RESOLVE THAT IS TO JUST DO IT WITH A PRIVATE DEED RESTRICTION, AND THEY'RE ON NOTICE ANY TIME SOMEBODY DOES A TITLE SEARCH. SO THAT WE BEING SAID, AGAIN -

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO, MR. SANDERS, SINCE WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THE PRIVATE DEED RESTRICTIONS, COULD YOU FOCUS ON THE ITEMS THAT WE WOULD LIKE.

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY.

THE CONDITION NUMBER 1 AND THERE'S A CHECK MARK HERE SO IT APPEARS THAT THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO THE FIRST ONE, STYLED MINIMUM SEPARATION BUFFER FROM THE MOORES' BIOSOLIDS LAND APPLICATION SITE, AND THE LANGUAGE I HAVE IS THE OWNER/DEVELOPER SHALL PROVIDE/MAINTAIN A HINN MINIMUM 25-FOOT BUFFER ALONG THAT PORTION OF THE SOUTHWEST BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY WHICH ADD VOINS THE PERMITTED BIOSOLIDS APPLICATION SITE LOCATED NORTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE MOORE PROPERTY TO ENSURE THE MINIMUM DEP SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS FROM,. , ANY BUILDING OCCUPIED BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC, HOMES, AND B, ANY SURFACE WATERS OF THE STATE AS THAT TERM IS DEFINED IN SECTION 4034 403441 OF FLORIA STATUTES. IT APPEARS FROM LINDS ACE REVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN, THAT THE SITE ALREADY MEEPTS THAT MEETST REQUIREMENT.

I DON'T HAVENER SITE PLAN WITH ME BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE SITE PLAN, LINDSAY REPRESENTS THE SITE PLAN AS CURRENTLY DRAFTED MEETS THAT CONDITION SO THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO IT.

WE JUST WANT IT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED.

CONDITION NUMBER 2, FENCING BUFFER.

PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE, AN 8-FOOT FENCE -- I HAVE CHAIN LINK HERE, BUT SHALL BE PLACED ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THE PROPERTY WHICH ADJOINS THE MOORE PROPERTY. THEY HAVE STRICKEN THROUGH THE ENTIRE STRERVET NORTHERN BORDER AND INSERTED UPLAND.

WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. I GUESS THERE ARE PATCHES OF WETLANDS ON PORTIONS THAT OF PROPERTY THAT MAY POSE A PROBLEM FOR PUTTING A FENCE IN THERE. BUT OTHERWISE A FENCE -- ESSENTIALLY GO LIKE THIS UP HERE ALL THE WAY OVER HERE.

THE MAJORITY OF THAT WILL BE INGE CHAUN LINK BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE HOME ON THE SITE PLAN THAT ABUT THE PROPERTY AS LINDSAY IS SHOWING THERE NEAR THE ENTRANCE, THEN IT WILL BE SOME TYPE OF OTHER VINYL OR WOOD FENCE, BUT THE REASON FOR THE CHAIN LINK IS OBVIOUSLY% FOR MAINTENANCE ISSUES.

THE SECOND PART OF THAT CONDITION IS THAT THE FENCE WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE DEVELOPER OR HOA.

THE THIRD PART OF THAT CONDITION, WHICH THEY'VE STRUCK OUT, PRESUMABLY THEY DON'T AGREE WITH IT, IS THAT WE WANTED -- WE WANT THAT FENCE TO EXTEND 100 FEET FROM THIS POINT, 100 FEET DOWN THE WESTERN SIDE OF MR. MOORE'S PROPERTY.

AGAIN, THE IDEA HERE IS WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THIS AND KIDS GETTING IN HERE, AND SO YOU CAN RUN AROUND HERE, AND THERE WAS A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT WETLAND. WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OWNS THIS PARCEL OVER HERE, ALL OF THAT, AND IF YOU LOOK AT A LARGE AERIAL YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE THE LINE, SO IF YOU GO DOWN ABOUT 100 FEET, ONCE YOU GET TO THAT POINT, IT'S SO WET, NO ONE'S GOING TO BE GETTING BACK THERE ANYWAYS, AND THE IDEA OF HAVING THAT GO DOWN 100 FEET IS AGAIN, FOR THE SAFETY THOSE FOLKS WHO MAY BE COMING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

NUMBER 3, NOTICE OF -- AND I'VE STYLED ALL OF THESE TITLES -- NOTICE OF SEPTIC MANAGEMENT EXPHILT SPHLT AND BIOSOLIDS MANAGEMENT SITE ON THE MOORE PROPERTY.

AGAIN, THAT THERE WOULD BE A NOTICE PROVISION IN THE PUD STATING THE LAWFUL EXISTENCE OF THE SEPTEMBERAGE, MANAGEMENT AND

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I WILL SKIP THE PRIVATE DEED RESTRICTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. >> NUMBER 4, EAST-WEST ROAD EXTENSION. WHICH IS -- IT'S RIGHT HERE.

IT'S IF ACCESS EASEMENT THAT COMES OFF OF MANUCY.

WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THE DEVELOPER/OWNER SHALL IMPROVE AND DEDICATE THE ENTIRE STRETCH OF THAT ROADWAY EASEMENT TO THE COUNTY IN THE EVENT THAT THEY GET TO THAT POINT.

RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSAL IS JUST TO IMPROVE AND DEDICATE IT UP TO THEIR ENTRANCE. WE WANT IT ALONG THE ENTIRE STRETCH, WHICH I THINK IS A COUPLE MORE HUNDRED FEET.

AND THE SECOND PART OF THAT CONDITION IS THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL AGREE TO WORK WITH US AND FILE AND RECORD THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENTS WITH THE COURT WITH RESPECT TO THE FINAL JUDGMENT THAT ACTUALLY OBLIGATES MR. MOORE TO IMPROVE AND MAINTAIN THAT WHOLE STRETCH, WHICH US LAWYERS CAN GET THAT DONE, BUT THE POINT IS THAT THE CONDITION WOULD BE TO DEDICATE THAT ENTIRE STRETCH OF THE EASEMENT AND ELIMINATE THAT JUDICIAL OBLIGATION THAT MR. MOORE HAS AND HAS HAD FOR 30

YEARS. >> MR. MATOVINA: MR. SANDER, ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE COUNTY SAYS WE WANT THAT TO REMAIN PRIVATE? WHAT HAPPENS THEN?

>> SPEAKER: WELL, OF COURSE, IT'S UP TO THE COUNTY TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT IT, AND IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, MY BACKUP ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO JUST HAVE THE OWNER DEED THAT STRIP OVER TO THE MOORES BECAUSE IT LITERALLY SERVES NO PURPOSE OTHER THAN -- WELL, A BIG PURPOSE WHICH IS TO GET INTO THEIR HOUSE AND THEIR BUSINESS, BUT, YEAH, THE COUNTY, OF COURSE, HAS THE DISCRETION TO ACCEPT OR NOT ACCEPT ANY PROPOSED RIGHT-OF-WAY

DEDICATION. >> MR. MATOVINA: MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT WOULD THEN CLEAR THE ENTIRE PUD BECAUSE THEIR SECONDARY ACCESS THEY NO LONGER HAVE A RIGHT TO USE IT, SO PERHAPS AS AN ALTERNATIVE IT COULD BE REQUIRED TO BE DEEDED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOA? IF IT REMAINED A PRIVATE

STREET? >> SPEAKER: YES, MR. MOORE WOULD PREFER THAT, BUT BECAUSE THE OBLIGATION ON HIM THAT THEY AGREED TO BACK IN 1995 WAS CLEARLY MUCH DIFFERENT.

HE AGREED TO IMPROVE AND MAINTAIN IT FOR THE PORTERS' ACCESS AND FOR HIS ACCESS, NOT FOR 200 PLUS CARS AND TRUCKS.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID IS A PROVISION THAT WE PUT IN THE PUD THAT CREATES A CATCH-22 DOWN THE ROAD, SO THE COUNTY SAYS WE WILL NOT ACCEPT IT, AND YOU GOT THIS PROVISION IN THE PUD THAT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO ZECH ACCEPT

IT. >> SPEAKER: THE HOA IS ACTUALLY PREFERABLE TO WHAT MY BACKUP PROPOSAL IS.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN IF I MIGHT ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME IF THE COUNTY DIDN'T ACCEPT THE DEDICATION, THAT THE ACCESS ROAD ALL THE WAY UP TO OUR ENTRANCE AND AS PART OF OUR ENTRANCE, THAT WOULD BE -- REMAIN PART OF THE SUBDIVISION MAINTAINED BY THE HO A. FROM THAT POINT FORWARD IT'S BASICALLY SURFING AS A DRIVEWAY TO MR. MOORE'S PROPERTY.

IT WOULD SEEM THAT THAT PART COULD BE DEDICATED OR DEED TO THEM. AGAIN WITH, WORKING ON THE FLY I CAN'T TELL YOU THE EXACT MECHANISM FOR ACCOMPLISHING THAT BUT WOULD SEEM LIKE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE HOA MAINTAINING BEYOND THEIR ACCESS POINT BECAUSE NO ONE IS GOING IN THAT DIRECTION? WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A FEW CARS THAT USE THAT ROAD, AND BASED ON THE TRACK OF NUMBERS I SAW EARLIER THEY'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE A COUPLE HUNDRED.

BIG DIFFERENCE. AND IT GOES --

>> I'M TALKING ABOUT BEYOND OUR ACCESS POINTIM.

>> TOO. SO IF THE CONCERN IS IF YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE HUNDRED FOLKS DRIVING IN AND OUT OF A NEW SUBDIVISION THERE AND THERE'S NOTHING TO PREVENT THEM FROM CONTINUING TO DRIVE, THAT'S MR. MOORE'S PROPERTY AND BUSINESS AND INTO HIS PROPERTY, IT'S GOING TO BE A TURNAROUND

POINT. >> I GUESS MY COMMENT TO YOU, THOUGH, IS LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL MDP MAP IS IF THIS PART WERE TO REMAIN PART OF THE SUBDIVISION, PAST THE HOA'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN, THEN FROM THIS PART FORWARD IS MR. MOORE'S, HE COULD GATE IT OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT HE WANTED TO.

>> RIGHT, AND I'LL RESTRAIGHT THE SAME THING THAT I HAVE HEAD

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WE'RE AGREEABLE TO EITHER HAVING THE COUNTY ACCEPT DEDICATION OF THAT EASEMENT OR AS A BACKUP ALTERNATIVE THE HOA AGREEING TO MAINTAIN AND ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT ENTIRE

STRETCH. >> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT.

I'M GOING TO SEND YA'LL BACK TO THE ROOM BACK THERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO ITEM 16, AND IF YOU DON'T COME BACK WITH AN AGREEMENT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO VOTE.

SO I SEE DR. MCCORMICK AND DR. HILSENBECK ON THE QUEUE BUT I'D SCOW TO SAVE ASK YOU TOE YOUR COMMENTS UNTIL THEY COME

BACK. >> DR. HILSENBECK: IT'S

GERMANE TO THIS. >> MR. MATOVINA:

DR. MCCORMICK? >> DR. MCCORMICK: WELL, YES.

MY QUESTION IS THIS. IF WE WERE -- IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE, I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT WE WOULD VOTE ON.

I'VE HEARD FOUR CONDITIONS SPOKEN, NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT I COULD UNDERSTAND THEM TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON THEM IF THEY'RE NOT IN WRITING, AND IF THERE WERE CONDITIONS TO THIS, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, IS THIS ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.

>> MR. MATOVINA: WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON SOMETHING.

>> DR. MCCORMICK: ARE WE OR ARE WE NOT?

IF WE ARE VOTING ON IT -- >> MR. MATOVINA: WE MIGHT BE

VOTING ON DEFERRING. >> DR. MCCORMICK: IF WE'RE

ONLY VOTING TO DEFER -- >> MR. MATOVINA: I DON'T MAKE MOTIONS AS THE CHAIR, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON UNTIL

WE GET BACK TO A I MOTION. >> DR. MCCORMICK: CAN I MAKE A

MOTION TO DEFER? >> MR. MATOVINA: YOU CAN.

>> AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL COMMENT VERY BRIEFLY.

THOSE FIRST THREE CONDITIONS THAT'S SUGGESTED I THINK WE'RE AMENABLE TO THOSE THREE. THIS ISSUE OF THE BUFFER, WE'RE ALREADY AT 20 NEAT OUR MDP MAP THAT WE'VE ALREADY INCREASED IT

TO. >> MR. MATOVINA: THE PROBLEM IS THAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE NOT STATED IN SUCH A WAY THAT SOMEBODY CAN GET A PIECE OF PAPER AND READ IT UP HERE.

WE'RE GOING TO BE WRITING THE THING UNTIL MIDNIGHT.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM, DOUG. SO IF YOU CAN'T COME BACK WITH THAT, WE'VE GOT AN ISSUE. SOMEHOW WE'VE GOT TO GET TIE MOTION UP HERE, AND TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO PASS A MOTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT CARL JUST SAID IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO TELL. SO YA'LL EITHER HAVE GOT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHINGER REALLY SIMPLE OR WE'RE GOING TO VOTE AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HE'DED. DR. HILSENBECK.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: WHILE I FEEL THIS AGREEMENT BETWEEN A SINGLE LANDOWNER AND THE DEVELOPER AND THE APPLICANT, IT'S IMPORTANT AND I RESPECT THE SINGLE, THE MOORES' WANTS AND NEEDS IN THIS REGARD, I'LL MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE 47 OTHER PEOPLE THAT FILLED OUT SPEAKER CARDS AND WERE HERE TODAY.

SOME HAD TO LEAVE. THEY TOOK OFF WORK TO BE HERE.

THEY'RE MISSING DINNER RIGHT NOW.

I JUST THINK IT'S A HUGE DISSERVICE.

I HONESTLY DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR AGREEMENT IS BETWEEN THE MOORES AND THE APPLICANT. IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY VOTE ONE WIT. IT REALLY IS NOT.

SO I WILL NOT VOTE TO DEFER. I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL HERE DESERVE TO HAVE A VOTE TODAY.

I DON'T WANT TO DEFER THIS ITEM AND HAVE THEM ALL HAVE TO COME BACK HERE AND ENDURE THIS. THEY'VE BEEN HERE SIX HOURS.

SO WHATEVER YA'LL DECIDE, IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY VOTE ONE BIT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR IF I MAY, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT I MAKE THIS CLEAR. THE FOUR CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU HAVE READ ARE SPECIFIC TO MR. MOORE'S PROPERTY. THE FIFTH ISSUE THAT WE HAVE, THAT MY CLIENTS HAVE HAS TO DO WITH MANUCY ROAD, AND THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY, SO EVEN IF THEY AGREE TO THESE FOUR CONDITIONS IT DOES NOT MEAN MA THIGH CLIENTS SUPPORT THE REZONING.

AT THIS PO NOT.. IF THEY AGREE WITH THESE FOUR DHENS STILL DON'T SUPPORT THE REZONING BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS ISSUES AND TRAFFIC ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH MANUCY ROAD AND OTHER ROADWAY ACCESS ISSUES. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE

THAT WAS CLEAR. >> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE BOARD, AND I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

>> REAL QUICK, WHEN IS THIS SCHEDULED FOR THE BCC?

>> 21ST OF SEPTEMBER. >> OF SEPTEMBER IS OUR AGENCY

MEETING. >> MR. MILLER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IS THERE A MOTION?

DR. MCCORMICK. >> DR. MCCORMICK: YEAH, I'LL OFFER A MOTION. AND MY MOTION IS GOING TO BE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PUD 2020-04, PORTER PROPERTY BASED ON TEN FINDINGS OF FACT AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE'VE GOT A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FROM DR. MCCORMICK, A SECOND FROM DR. HILSENBECK.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD MEMBERS?

>> JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

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A YES VOTE IS A VOTE TO DENY. >> MR. MATOVINA: THAT'S

CORRECT. >> GOT IT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE ARE NOW ON THE QUEUE, AND VOTING.

ALL RIGHT. SO TO THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HAVE WAITED ALL THIS TIME WE HAVE VOTED 4-2 TO MAKE A

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SO SEPTEMBER 21ST YOU'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THIS ALL OVER AGAIN IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK BECAUSE THEY DO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR RECOMMENDATION.

SO ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING TONIGHT AND SPENDING ALL THIS TIME. A LOT OF TIME YA'LL SPENT.

AND I APPRECIATE YA'LL KEEPING YOUR COMMENTS BRIEF AND TRYING% NOT TO REPEAT. THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE BEEN HERE UNTIL MIDNIGHT.

AND THANK YOU, MR. SANDERS. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> MR. MATOVINA: ALL RIGHT. WE ARE ON TO ITEM 16 WHICH I

BELIEVE IS MS. BISHOP. >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

THIS IS ITEM 16. THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR A PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT. IT IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND IT IS 20-27 HAVE 11.

THIS IS THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND HOUSE BILL 59 AMENDED THE COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT TO REQUIRE A PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT IN ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. THE BILL WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR AND BECAME EFFECTIVE ON JULY 1ST.

JUST A NOTE OF REFERENCE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY --

>> MR. MATOVINA: ONE SECOND. COULD YA'LL CARRY ON YOUR

CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE, PLEASE. >> SPEAKER: THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CURRENTLY HAS PROPERTY RIGHTS POLICIES. WE HAVE AN OBJECTIVE AND POLICIES THAT RELATE TO PROPERTY RIGHTS.

HOWEVER, HOUSE BILL 59 REQUIRED ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO BE INCLUDED INSIDE THAT, AND THEY WANTED A SEPARATE ELEMENT.

THAT'S WHAT HB 59 REQUIRED. AND SO STAFF HAS ADDED ELEMENT "I," AND NOW WE HAVE COAL I1, WHICH THIS IS THE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT IS REQUIRED PER THE HOUSE BILL 59.

WE HAVE GOAL I1, WHICH IS NOW A STATEMENT OF PROPERTY RIGHTS.

THE THE OBJECTIVE IS I11 WHICH IS THE FOLLOWING RIGHTS SHALL BE EXRD IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY DECISION MAKING.

AND THEN OUR POLICY I111 IS THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO PHYSICALLY POSSESS AND CONTROL HIS OR HER INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY INCLUDING EASEMENTS OR MINERAL RIGHTS.

POLICY I112 IS THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO USE, MAINTAIN, DEVELOP AND IMPROVE HIS OR HER PROPERTY FOR PERSONAL USE OR FOR THE USE OF ANY OTHER PERSON SUBJECT TO THE LAW AND SUBJECT TO STATE LAW AND ANY LOCAL ORDINANCES.

POLICY I113 IS THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO PRIVACY AND TO EXCLUDE OTHERS FROM THE PROPERTY AND TO PROTECT THE OWNERS' POSSESSIONS AND THE PROPERTY. AND THEN POLICY I114 IS THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO DISPOSE OF HIS OR HER PROPERTY THROUGH THE SALE OR GIFT. AND THEN AS A SAID WE HAVE THE EXISTING POLICY OR EXISTING OBJECTIVE AND RELATED POLICIES A116, AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE HAVE RELOCATED THAT OBJECTIVE AND THOSE POLICIES TO THE NEW "I" ELEMENT.

THE THE NEW ELEMENT WHICH IS GOAL "I" AND NOW -- SO THOSE POLICIES ARE NOW THE NEW GOAL I1, AND ARE NOW OBJECTIVE I2 AND RELATED POLICIES A1161 AND A1EN 64 ARE NOW I121 THROUGH 124.

THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC TUFNT PROVIDED GUIDANCE THAT ANY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT PACKAGE SUBMITTED AFTER JULY 1ST WOULD BE RETURNED TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT IF THE PACKAGE DOES NOT INCLUDE A PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT OR IF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT ALREADY HAVE THE REQUIRED ELEMENT. ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS SEVERAL PLAN AMENDMENTS IN PROCESS WHICH BASED UPON THIS DEO GUIDANCE WILL BE DELAYED IN ADOPTION. YOU HEARD SOME OF THOSE TODAY.

THIS IS THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR THIS AMOUNTED.

TRANSMITTAL MEANS THAT IT WILL SENT TO THE STATE PER A 30-DAY REVIEW, AND STAFF OFFERS THREE FINDINGS OF FACT TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'LL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

AND I'M ALSO GOING TO THROW THE OFFICE OF COUNTY ATTORNEY INTO

THE DISCUSSION. >> MR. MATOVINA: DR.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: I NOTICED IN THE MATERIALS THAT WERE SITTING HERE TODAY WHEN WE GOT HERE THAT THERE WAS A LETTERS

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I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU'VE HAD THAT LETTER BUT I'M SURE YOU HAVE SEEN. IT CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT LETTER

AND THEIR CONCERNS? >> I RECEIVED THE LETTER THE SAME TIME YOU ALL RECEIVED THE LETTER.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: JUST TODAY.

>> SO IT GOT IT TODAY. NO, THEY HAVE SOME DIFFERENT -- SOME DIFFERENT POLICIES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL OF THE PROPERTY LIGHTS RIGHTS ELEMENTS INCLUDE.

DWROAN THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS INCLUDING THOSE AT THIS POINT, NO, BUT I HAVE NOT HAD THE TIME TO ANALYZE ALL OF THEIR LANGUAGE

EITHER. >> MR. MATOVINA: IF WE CHOSE TO ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS, WE COULD DO SO AT ADOPTION PRESUMABLY OR WE DON'T HAVE TO ADOPT EXACTLY WHAT WE TRANSMITTED?

>> YES, THIS IS TRANSMITTAL AND, YES, YOU CAN MAKE CHANGES FROM TRANSMITTAL AND ADOPTION. WE JUST HAVE TO LET THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AS WELL AS THE OTHER REGIONAL AGENCIES KNOW THAT WE HAVE MADE THESE CHANGES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK: THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT, GREG.

THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA: ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS? >> MR. MILLER: YES, SIR.

>> MR. MATOVINA: MR. MILLER. >> MR. MILLER: VERY QUICKLY THROUGH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, DOES THIS SUBSTANTIVELY CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR IS THIS JUST LANGUAGE THAT WAS ADD PURSUANT TO A LAW THAT WAS PASSED BY THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE?

ERS. >> AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THIS JUST TRANSACTIONAL TO COMPLY WITH THE STATUTE.

IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. THE COUNTY THROUGH CHAPTER 163 IS ALREADY REQUIRED TO RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF PRIVATE PROPERTY

OWNERS. >> MR. MILLER: THANK YOU.

>> MR. MATOVINA: IT DOES SUBSTANTIVELY CHANGE THE FACT THAT APPLICANTS CAN'T MOVE FORWARD SM.

>> THIS IS THE ISSUE THAT NO ONE ANTICIPATED IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA, SO WE ARE TIMING THIS TO MOVE AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE, AND WE PLAN THE ADOPTION HEARING ON SEPTEMBER

FIRST 21ST. >> MR. MATOVINA: SINCE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE SUCH INCREDIBLE PATIENCE IN THIS DAY

AND AGE. >> AND THAT POINT WAS MADE TO DEO, THAT THEIR INTERPRETATION IS ACTUALLY HARMING PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT THAT DID NOT SWAY THEM.

>> MR. MILLER: THIS IS THE MOST IRONIC COMPREHENSIVE

AMENDMENT PLAN EVER. >> MR. MATOVINA: WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE FOUR ASSUMPTION RULES.

KIND OF SHOT OURSELVES IN ITS FOOT THERE ALSO.

IN ANY EVENT DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS, MS. PERKINS?

I SEE YOU'RE BUSY OVER THERE. >> MS. PERKINS: WE DO NOT.

>> MR. MATOVINA: SO WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY.

>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY JUST SAID, CHRISTINE SAID, IS WE DO HAVE THESE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT ARE HANGING HANGING IN ABEYANCE RIGHT NOW UNTIL THIS GETS ADOPTED AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT THOSE AMENDMENTS WILL PROBABLY FOLLOW THE ADOPTION HEARING FOR THIS, SO YOU CAN EXPECT TO SEE THE ADOPTION HEARINGS OF THOSE PLUS THE ADOPTION HEARING FOR THIS

ELEMENT. >> MR. MATOVINA: YES, MA'AM.

ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A

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