Jul 15, 2021 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order.]

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>> I'D LIKE TO ASK EVERYBODY TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE, PLEASE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

LET ME CALL THE ROLL HERE, DR. MCCORMICK.

>> HERE. >> DR. HILSENBECK.

>> HERE. >> MS. PERKINS.

>> HERE. >> MR. MILLER.

>> HERE. >> AND MR. PETER.

>> HERE. >> AND MR. ALAIMO IS NOT HERE TODAY. AND NOW WE'LL HAVE THE READING

OF THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT >> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS O . FLORIDA LAW.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPIC RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA O JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WIL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFE COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST DO SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER. ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE C SPEAKER CARDS ARE TURNED IN TO THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIM .

DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM AND LENGTH TIEFL'S DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH IS THREE MINUTES.

IN SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND THEN STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD SPEAKERS MAY OFFER S IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD THEN IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE

[Approval of meeting minutes for PZA 6/17/21.]

WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> AND ONE OTHER THING.

WHEN YOU GET UP TO THE MICROPHONE TO SPEAK, PLEASE SPEAK CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN ALL HEAR CLEARLY. OKAY.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DO YOU HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THE

[Public Comments]

MOTION. >> SO MOVED.

>> ALL RIGHT. MS. PERKINS.

>> SECOND. >> AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION IN HEARING NONE, WE'LL JUST DO A VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED.

THAT MOTION PASSES PAP WE'RE GOING TO MOVE NOW TO OUR PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION THE MEETING, AND DURING THIS TIME YOU CAN SPEAK ON EITHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA OR NOT ON THE AGENDA.

AND IF THE ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA, THERE WILL BE TIME TO SPEAK DURING THAT ITEM, ALSO, SO YOU DO NOT NEED TO SPEAK FOR BOTH. SO IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO PROVIDE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE AUDIENCE AT THE MOMENT? SEEING NONE 1 DR. HILSENBECK, I KNOW YOU WANTED TO SPEAK.

>> I DID, THANK YOU. I'VE BREYNN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR A A WHILE, SEVERAL MONTHS, AND I MAYBE SHOULD HAVE SEPTEMBER AN EMAIL TO COUNTY STAFF OR MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE PROPER VENUE TO DO THIS, BUT I'VE BEEN WONDERING ABOUT CONCERNING EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.

WE PROVIDE THOSE FOR VIRTUALLY EVERY ITEM EXCEPT COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS ARE MORE CONSEQUENTIAL TO THE OVERALL GROWTH AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS COUNTY THAN, SAY, A TYPICAL ZONING VARIANCE WHERE SOMEBODY WANTS, YOU KNOW, POOL EQUIPMENT ON ONE SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE, AND IT WILL EXTEND 2.5 FEET INTO AN OTHERWISE 5-FOOT SETBACK. WE HAVE TO DECLARE EX PARTE ON THOSE LATTER ONES BUT NOT ON COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS.

SO I WAS WONDERING, MAYBE IT COULD BE ANSWERED HERE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IS IT STATE STATUTE THAT THAT IS WHAT'S DONE?

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I THINK THAT WOULD JUST MAKE FOR HAD A MORE TRANSPARENT PROCESS IN GENERAL. THAT'S IT, THANK YOU.

>> SURE. DR. HILSENBECK, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT AMENDMENTS TO COMP PLAN POLICY, WHETHER THEY'RE LARGE SCALE OR SMALL SCALE, ARE CONSIDERED POLICY MAKING DECISIONS, JUST LIKE AN ORDINANCE AMOUNTED IS CONSIDERED A POLICY MAKING DECISION, AND THAT DOESN'T BRING INTO PLAY ANY SPECIFIC DUE PROCESS RIGHTS FOR PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER, SO EX PARTE COMMUNICATION IS NOT REQUIRED.

IT'S REQUIRED IN QUASI-JUDICIAL SITUATIONS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC PROPERTY OWNER IMPACTED BY THE APPLICATION OF THE COMP PLAN OR THE LDC, RATHER, AND THEY HAVE A DUE PROCESS RIGHT TO KNOW ALL THE INFORMATION EACH ONE OF YOU HAS CONSIDERED IN

MAKING THE DECISION. >> OKAY.

BUT LET'S SAY THERE'S A LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S THOUSANDS OWNERS AROUND THAT DEVELOPMENT.

THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE IMPACTED AS WELL.

SO WOULDN'T THEY ALSO HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT INFORMATION

WE HAVE? >> THEY DO HAVE RIGHT TO KNOW.

THEY DO RECEIVE NOTICE, AND THEY DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO THE MEETINGS AND SPEAK. THEY DO HAVE A RIGHT TO SCHEDULE MEETINGS INDIVIDUALLY WITH THEIR COMMISSIONERS, WITH YOU ALL OR TALK TO YOU ON THE PHONE OR COMMUNICATE WITH YOU AS WELL.

>> OKAY. SO IT'S YOUR OPINION THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE OR EVER BE CONSIDERED FOR A CHANGE?

>> IT IS NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT, CORRECT, FOR EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO BE DISCLOSED FOR POLICY MAKING

DECISIONS. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

>> ZACH. >> JUST TO SORT OF CLARIFY SOME POINTS. ONE, I AGREE WITH DR. HILSENBECK. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO ASK ME WHO I'VE SPOKEN TO ON A LEGISLATIVE MATTER, I'M HAPPY TO TELL THEM ALL, BUT FOR COMP PLANS, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO EVENTUALLY BE A COMPANION REZONING, SO WHEN SOMEBODY GETS UP HERE, YES, THERE WILL BE TRANSMITTAL AND THERE'S NO EX PARTE DISCLOSURE,

[1. ZVAR 2021-07 Russo Shed (189 Cabrillo Lane).]

>> SO WE'RE GOING DO MOVE ON TO THE AGENDA ITEMS AT THIS POINT SO WE'RE MOVING ONTO ITEM NUMBER 1 BE, AND BEFORE WE GET INTO ITEM NUMBER 1, TERESA, I THINK, HAD RECEIVED SOME PUBLIC INPUT IS THAT SHE WANTED TO PROVIDE TO US OVER THE PHONE.

>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

YOUR STAFF REPORT INDICATES WE HAVE RECEIVED NO PUBLIC CONS ARE ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM -- CORRESPONDENCE, AND AS OF YESTERDAY MORNING WE DID RECEIVE A PHONE CALL AND A VOICE MESSAGE THAT DID LEAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT.

THEY DID NOT LEAVE A NAME, BUT WE DID RECEIVE IT, AND I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE PRUDENT FOR ME TO BRING IT FORWARD TO YOU TODAY TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT.

THEIR CONCERN CENTERED AROUND THE SHED ITSELF AND STARTING CONSTRUCTION AND NOT HAVING THE BUILDING PERMIT, AND THEN THEY ALSO WERE CONCERNED THAT THIS COULD BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND THAT IT COULD -- THE SHED COULD BE RENTED OUT, SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU AND PERHAPS THE APPLICANT COULD HAVE SOME COMMENTS TO MAKE ABOUT THAT.

>> THANK YOU, TREESA. IS MS. RUSSO HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? WHILE SHE'S COMING UP, I'LL ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS IF THERE'S ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DISCLOSE. NONE HERE.

>> MY NAME IS ANNA RUSSO I LIVE AT 189 EXROAL LANE.

MY ENTRANCED DAN PONE OH SHOULD BE SPEAKING WITH YOU FURTHER, BUT REGARDING WHAT WE JUST HEARD, THERE'S NO -- NO RENTAL GOING ON. I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1994.

NO TEMPORARY RENTAL. AS A MATTER OF FACT --

>> CAN YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT.

SORRY. >> REGARDING WHAT I JUST HEARD, REGARDING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, I'VE RESIDED AT MY PROPERTY SINCE 1994 AND I HAVE NO PLANS ON GOING ANYWHERE.

THIS IS A SIMPLE SHED. IT'S NOT AN ADDITION.

IT WAS JUST SOMETHING TO DO TO IMPROVE OUR HOME AND OUR MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AT THE HOUSE.

BUT AS FAR AS SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THAT'S LIKE, WHOA, I MEAN, I'VE NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED RENTING MY PROPERTY OUT.

SO I'M GOING TO HAND YOU OVER TO MY HUSBAND.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. SO I'M PROBABLY THE REASON WHY

WE'RE ALL HERE RIGHT NOW. >> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD, SIR. >> I'M SORRY?

>> GIVE YOUR NAME AND DRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> I'M SORRY. MY NAME IS DAN BONE OH AND I LIVE AT VIDE AT 189 IMROAL LANE 189 CARIBBEAN OH LANE AND I'M

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THIS STARTED OUT AS AN REPAIR ON A SHED, AN EXISTING SHED.

PHI I THINK IF WE HAVE AT THE THE POWERPOINT I COULD PROBABLY SHOW YOU THAT. THERE WAS AN EXISTING SHED WHERE THE SHED IS NOW. IT ACTUALLY WAS A ATTACHED TO OUR NEIGHBOR'S SHED, SO THAT'S THE WAY THE HOUSES WERE BUILT.

THEY WERE ATTACHED SHEDS. THEY -- WHICH IS A ZERO LOT LINE. SO THEY PROCEEDED TO TAKE THEIR SHED DOWN PROBABLY ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS AGO. THEY NEVER CLOSED THAT PAUL L WHEN THEY REMOVED THEIR SHED. WE PROCEEDED TO -- IT GOT ROTTED, INSECT INFESTED AND IT IT WAS JUST FALLING APART, SO DID I PROCEED TO REPAIR THE SHED, NOT KNOWING THAT I NEEDED A BUILDING PERMIT FOR AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, SO THAT WAS MY FAULT. NOW I KNOW.

I DID REBUILD THE SHED. I STARTED REPAIRING THE SHED, WHICH TURNED INTO A COMPLETE REBUILD.

I DID EXTEND THE SHED SLIGHTLY, SO NORMALLY THE HOUSES WERE 30% IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, CORRECT? WHICH PROCEEDED TO GO TO 25% BUT THEY WERE BUILT WITH A 30%. WE ARE AT 31% RIGHT NOW.

FROM WHAT I'M LED TO BELIEVE, MY WIFE HAS MORE FACTS ON THAT THAN I DO, IT WENT TO 25%, BUT WE ASSUMED WE WERE GRANDFATHERED IN BECAUSE THEY WERE BUILT THAT WAY.

ANYWAY I OBJECT DID REBUILD THE SHED.

DID I EXTEND IT AROUND 2 FEET BIGGER.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE PLANS THERE.

IT WAS 2-FOOT BIGGER. I THINK YOU CAN SEE IN IT THIS.

WELL, LET ME SEE. I CAN'T REALLY SEE IT.

I THINK THAT'S THE EXISTING SHE SHED.

GO BACK TO THE EXISTING SHED. SO THAT IS THE SHED THAT THE HOUSE WAS BUILT WITH. NOW, OF COURSE, I IMPROVED IT.

WE WANTED A DOOR OUT THE FRONT. WE WANTED TO MAKE IT SLIGHTLY BIGGER. BUT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY WANT TO MAKE IT SLIGHTLY BIGGER BUT WE ENDED UP DOING THAT.

SO YOU CAN GO FORWARD, JAMES. OKAY.

I'M SORRY? WHO IS CONTROLLING IT? SO THIS IS THE SHED THAT I ENDED UP WITH.

AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME EXACT WIDTH.

IT'S NOW TAKING UP 31% INSTEAD OF 30% OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, BUT, OF COURSE, IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE.

THAT'S WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH. NOW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE ARE -- AND AGAIN THERE IS NO SHED ATTACHED TO IT NOW BECAUSE THEY REMOVED THEIR SHED BUT YET LEFT THE WALL OPEN AT THAT TIME SO IT WAS JUST BEAMS AND SHEET ROCK, NO EXTERIOR SURFACE WAS LEFT THERE, AND THAT WAS LIKE THAT FOR SIX YEARS.

THERE THERE WAS A RENTAL NEXT DOOR TO ME AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE START OF THIS. NOW, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE ARE OTHER SHEDS, IF WE CAN -- WHERE IS THAT CLICKER? SO IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE WENT AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THERE ARE MANY OTHER STRUCTURES.

LET ME JUST GO -- OKAY. SO THAT IS AN EXISTING SHED DOWN THE BLOCK. YOU CAN SEE THE SHED, HOW THE SHEDS WERE BUILT ORIGINALLY WHERE THEY'RE DMECTD MIDDLE.

THEY STILL HAVE THEIR EXISTING SHED YET THEY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL

SHED. >> REGARDING THE PERMITS, WE LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

THERE'S SO MUCH WORK GOING ON. I NEVER SEE ANY PER IN ITS ANYWHERE. THE FACT THAT IT AS EXISTING

SHED -- >> THAT IS THE REASON.

EXCUSE ME. I DIDN'T ASSUME REPAIRING WOULD NEED PERMITS. I DO KNOW THAT NOW.

BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE HERE FOR THE VARIANCE RATHER THAN THE PERMITS, BUT THAT IS THE SITUATION.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DR. HILSENBECK.

>> WELL, I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS WHEN I READ THE APPLICATION ABOUT HOW THE -- YOUR HOMES WERE -- WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOME WERE CONNECTED BY SHEDS.

I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT STATEMENT.

I DO NOW. YOU'VE EXPLAINED THAT.

BUT IN SOME OF THOSE EARLY PHOTOS YOU SHOWED, I WAS HAVING TROUBLE FRANK WILL I BE WITH I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE WAS, DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN WHAT WAS YOUR HOUSE POTENTIALLY AND THE SHED BECAUSE ONE OF THOSE THAT YOU WERE SHOWING IS A SHED TO ME

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NICE. >> IT'S A UTILITY ROOM.

>> IT'S NOT -- >> I DID MAKE IT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO MATCH THE HOUSE. I DID THAT PURPOSELY TO GIVE IT AN EXTRA ROOF ON AND MAKE IT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.

IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE HOUSE, WE TAKE EXTREMELY GOOD CARE OF THE HOUSE. WE'RE VERY HOME PROUD.

WE'RE CONSTANTLY WORKING ON IT. WE GET MADE FUN A LITTLE BIT FOR BEING TOO HOME PROUD, I GUESS, BUT THAT'S THE WAY WE ARE.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE IT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.

I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE IT MORE USABLE TO WALK FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE FROM THAT SIDE, SO DID I PUT THE DOOR IN THE FRONT WHICH OTHER PEOPLE DID AS WELL.

IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A DOOR ON THE FRONT AND A DOOR IN THE BACK SO IT'S KIND OF A PASS-THROUGH. AND I DID NEED THAT DOOR ON THE FRONT BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE COPD SO I NEED A SCOOTER TIME GOING TO NEED. I'M REFUSING TO GET IT RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT'S WHY I PUT THE DOOR ON THE FRONT SO I CAN KIND OF ROLL THE SCOOTER INTO THAT.

>> YOU DID HAVE FOUR PEOPLE WRITE IN SAYING THEY SUPPORTED YOUR APPLICATION. YOU ALL TAKE GREAT CARE OF YOUR HOUSE. SO I SORT OF DISCOUNT THE ONE PERSON WHO CALLED IN ANONYMOUSLY AND COMPLAINED ABOUT IT.

BUT I DID WANT TO ASK, SO THIS SHED HAS ELECTRIC AND PLUMBING IN IT. DOES IT HAVE A BATHROOM IN IT OR A KITCHEN? OH, THERE'S NO PLUMBING.

THERE IS NO BATHROOM. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT.

THERE WILL BE ELECTRIC ENOUGH FOR A LIGHT AND AN OUTLET TO COME OUTSIDE WHERE WE CAN PLUG IN OUR THINGS BUT NOT ANY -- IT'S FOR STORAGE. I WISH I WOULD HAVE -- I MADE THE MISTAKE TO TAKE THE PICTURES OF THE INSIDE OF IT BUT OBVIOUSLY WE HAD TO STOP WORKING.

THERE ARE THE TOOLS THAT WE NORMALLY KEEP IN A SHED, LAWNMOWER, RAKES, SHOVELS, AND WHATNOT.

IT'S NOT A ROOM. THAT CAN BE INSPECTED.

IT WILL NEVER BE A ROOM. THERE'S NO -- IT'S NOT THAT KIND OF A STRUCTURE.% IT'S ALSO, JUST KNOW YOU KNOW, DID I BUILD IT AS COOFN AN D OF AN INDEPENDENT STRUCTURE.

IT'S ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE ONLY BY MEANS OF STANDING NEXT TO THE HOUSE. IT DOES NOT USE THE HOUSE AS SUPPORT AT ALL. SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN A HOME DEPOT SHED THAT I LAID A PIECE OF CONCRETE BUT I CHOSE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BETTER, A LITTLE NICER, I THOUGHT, AND I PAID THE PRICE BECAUSE PEOPLE E. PEOPLE THINK IT IS AN ADDITION.

IT IS NOT. >> THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT. AND YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME GOOD

CONSTRUCTION SKILLS. >> HE'S GREAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS.

>> WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD, JERED CANTER.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JERED CAN'TAR.

I RESIDE AT 158 CABRILLO LANE WHICH IS JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM MS. RUSSO HERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS MY CONCERN WITH HOW THIS ZONING VARIANCE CAN SET PRECEDENTS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AGAIN, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME BEING LEER SO PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM OUT OF LINE HERE. BUT LOOKING AN OLD OF TRO VERSUS BIRD A VARIANCE SHUTS DOWN NOT BE GRANTED WITH THE USE TO BE AUTHORIZED, THEREBY WILL ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTERISTIC OF LOCALITY. ADDITIONALLY, IN SECTION 2.02.04 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THERE'S MENTION ON HOW ACCESSORY STRUCTURES CANNOT BE ON THE FRONT OR SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS==. IN ADDITION, MY CONCERNS ARE AGREED WITH THE PERSON WHO MAILED IN ANONYMOUSLY REGARDING AIRBNB AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS IT IS A GROWING PROBLEM WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. ADDITIONALLY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE TWO CORRECTIONS. NUMBER ONE, THE SHED ACTUALLY HAS BEEN CUT INTO THE SIDING OF THE HOUSE, SO IT IS NOT FREESTANDING STRUCTURE SEPARATED.

ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MY HOUSE HAS BEEN ONE OF THEM.

AND PERMITS ARE ALWAYS POSTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO IT SEEMS A LITTLE INTERESTING THAT THERE WAS NO PERMIT FOR THIS STRUCTURE NOR NO ZONING CLEARANCE PRIOR TO ITS CONSTRUCTION. DEACIAL WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD REGARDING PERM YAIFTION STORM WATER WITHIN THE SOIL. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS GOT SOME PRETTY POOR DRAINAGE. AS YOU CAN TELL IN ONE OF THESE PICTURES THERE'S FRONT DRAINAGE EAVES IN ALL OF THE BUILDINGS.

IT APPEARS THIS SHED BEGINS TO CUT OFF FLOW OF WATER FROM THE BACK YARTD TO FRONT YARD INTO THIS DRAINAGE WHICH I THINK COULD HAVE POTENTIAL NEGATIVE SIDE EFFECTS ON THE NEIGHBORS.

THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS I HAVE. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> CAN I ANSWER TO THAT? >> YES.

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>> SO WE HAVE NEVER HAD ANY FLOODING.

>> CAN I ANSWER TO THAT? >> YES, YOU MAY.

>> SO THE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT IT WAS DUTY INTO THE SIDING.

IT WAS NOT. THE ONLY THING THAT THE ORIGINAL SIDING OF THE HOUSE IS T111. THAT IS WHAT, WHEN I PULLED THE SHED DOWN THE T111 WAS EXPOSED, AND WHEN WE PUT THE NEW SIDING UP YEARS AND YEARS AGO, THERE IS NOW CLAPBOARD SIGNED ON THE HOUSE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE.

THAT CLAPBOARD SIDING COULD NEVER GO BEHIND THE SHED THAT WAS EXISTING, SO THAT'S WHEN HE SAID IT WAS CUT INTO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. IT IS NOT.

IT IS AN INDEPENDENT STRUCTURE THAT IT IS NOT.

THE ONLY THING THAT IS TOUCHING THE HOUSE IS -- WELL, OF COURSE THE SHED IS NEXT TO THE HOUSE AND IT IS TOUCHING THE HOUSE AND THE ROOFLINE IS NOT CUT INTO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

THAT'S -- WELL, I CUT THE CLAPBOARD SIDING OUT TO GO ABOVE THE ROOFLINE. AS FAR AS THE WATER IS CONCERNED, WE PLAN ON PUTTING GUTTERS ON THE WHOLE HOUSE, NOT JUST THE SHED, SO WE PLAN ON GUTTERING, PUTTING GUTTERS ON AND RUNNING THE WATER TO OUR BACKYARD.

THAT'S WHERE IT WILL RUN. >> WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH FLOODING EVER. WE LIVE AT THE VERY TOP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. EVERYTHING DRAINS DOWN TO THE

POND. >> BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE ADDING GUTTERS. WE HAD TO STOP WORK BECAUSE OF THIS, SO AS FAR AS THE WATER IS CONCERNED, THERE IS NO MORE WATER NOW THAN THERE WAS WITH THE EXISTING SHED.

>> THERE WAS NEVER PUDDLING WATER ON THE PROPERTY EVER.

>> EXCUSE ME. THE EXISTING SHED WAS THERE.

IT ALSO RAN WATER OFF, RAIN WATER OFF THE ROOF.

THIS IS THE SAME STRUCTURE THAT THE RAIN WATER RUNS OFF.

BUT WE WILL DEAL WITH THE RAIN WATER.

AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE GOING INTO MY BACKYARD, AND IF NEED BE I CAN PUT FRENCH DRAINS IN. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

>> BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH FLOODING.

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY WATER. >> I HAVE NO DITCHES THAT ARE ON MY PROPERTY THAT CREATE WATER OR HOLDS WATER.

WE'RE AT THE VERY TOP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'M NOT EVEN IN A FLOOD ZONE. I NEVER REQUIRED FLOOD INSURANCE, AND I AMIE -- THE HOMES AT THE LOWER PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I SEE IT FLOOD. I WAS WITH A NEIGHBOR JUST TWO WEEKS AGO AND THERE WAS SOME FLOODING ON HIS SIDE BUT NOT ON

MY SIDE EVER. >> SO ANYWAY, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THE WATER IS CONCERNED? OR WHAT I JUST SAID? BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE WHERE IT'S ANY DIFFERENT FROM THE EXISTING SHED THAT WAS THERE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> YOU HAD STATED PREVIOUSLY -- I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WATER NECESSARILY YET, AND I WANT TO MOVE THIS ITEM ALONG, BUT YOU STATED INITIALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT WITH 30% LOT COVERAGE.

>> YES. MY HOUSE WAS.

>> YES. >> AND IT HAD AN EXISTING SHED.

YOUR NEIGHBORS DWIEWNG THEIR PART THE SHED.

YOU HAD YOUR SHED. YOU WANTED TO RENOVATE IT AND UPGRADE IT. SO HOW MUCH DID YOU EXPAND IT? YOU SAID -- I ASSUME YOUR HOUSE AND THE SHED COVERED 30% OF THE PROPERTY INITIALLY AND NOW IT COVERS 31%.

>> 31%. >> SO YOU EXPANDED IT BY HOW

MANY SQUARE FEET. >> IS IF.

>> IT'S 2-1/2 FEET BIGGER IN LENGTH, NO BIGGER IN WIDTH.

IT'S 8-FOOT IN WIDTH. IT'S A ZERO PROPERTY LINE.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MS. PERKINS.

>> I'LL OFFER A MOTION TO AVENUE PRO ZONING VARIANCE 2021-07 RUSSO SHED 189 CABRILLO PLANE REQUEST FOR A ZONING VARIANCE TABLE 60S .01 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW A MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE BILE BUILDINGS OF 31% IN LIEU OF THE 25% REQUIREMENT IN GERBIL, GENERAL 1 ZONING TO COME DATE FOR AN TECHS ENGST OF AN EXISTING THEY SAID SUBJECT TO SEVEN CONDITIONS AND FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> MOTION BY MEGAN. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> II ZACH.

LET'S GO AHEAD -- IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?

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ALL RIGHT. THAT MOKES PASSES.

CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> CHAIRMAN, THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER 2, DION PHILLIPS IS HERE, AND THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 2

FOR AN UPDATE. >> VERY GOOD.

DO WE HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION ON ITEM NUMBER 2?

DR. HILSENBECK? >> I SPOKE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON WITH MR. VERNON KELLY WHO LIVES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THE CELL TOWER, AND HE EXPLAINED TO ME HIS REQUEST, AND NOW I SNIET WRITING HERE TODAY -- SEE IN IT WRITING HERE TOWED, THAT HE WAS HOPING, SINCE HE LIVES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD FROM

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HE SAID HE WOULD BE HERE TODAY TO SPEAK, BUT THAT WAS MY EX PARTE. THANK YOU.

>> JACK, DO YOU HAVE EX PARTE, ALSO?

>> YEAH, I SPOKE WITH MR. KELLY YESTERDAY AS WELL ABOUT THE SAME SUBJECT AND POSSIBILITY OF RELOCATING THE TOWER TO THE

EAST. >> AND I SPOKE WITH MR. KELLY THIS MORNING IN ADDITION TO THE RELOCATION, WE SHARED WAR STORIES ABOUT BEING ON CHARLIE BRIENS SAILBOAT IN THE 19 -- BROWN'S SAILBOAT IN THE 1980S. ANYBODY ELSE? IF NOT, WE'RE READY FOR THE PRESENTATION, MR. PHILLIPS.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS TONY PHILLIPS I'M WITH FURTON ENGINEERING REPRESENTING PARALLEL FRACTURE WHICH ARMINGLY WAS LAN LEASED WHEN WE MADE THE APPLICATION.

THEY KIND OF COMBINED COMPANIES ON WHATEVER, HOWEVER THEY WERE DOING IT, THEIR CORPORATE STRUCTURE, BUT ALSO AT&T WHICH WILL THE PRIMARY CARRIER ON THIS TOWER.

WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A NEW MULTI-CARRIER WIRELESS TELECOM FACILITY. IT WOULD BE A 295-FOOT LATTICE TOWER. THERE WILL BE ROOM FOR UP TO FOUR CARRIERS WHICH WOULD LIMIT THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL CARRIERS AND ADDITIONAL TOWERS IN THE AREA.

SO IF ADVISER OR T-MOBILE OR -- I NETWORK NOW IS A PLAYER IN THE CARRIER MARKET, WE'LL SEED SPACE, WE WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THEM. THERE ARE NO TOWERS WITHIN 2-1/2 MILES, AND SIEL E. I'LL SHOW A GRAPHIC ON THAT.

THIS IS ALSO CONSIDERED CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE NOW.

EVERYBODY'S GOTTEN RICHARD THEIR LAND LINES.

NOBODY WANTS TO PAY FOR THEIR LAND LINE ANYMORE, SO THEIR CELL PHONE IS THEIR LIFELINE. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE WIERL TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND THEY CALL MACROSTRUCTURE.

THERE'S A CLEAR GAP IN QUONCH WHICH I WILL SHOW YOU AS WELL.

WE HAVE PROPAGATION MAPS THAT'LL FOLLOW IN THE PRESENTATION.

IT WOULD COMPLU THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY, 5G AND FIRST NET, WHICH FIRST NET IS A NATIONAL FIRST RESPONDERS NETWORK THAT AT&T HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HAVE A DEDICATED FREQUENCY OR SPECTRUM THAT FOR FIRST RESPONDERS, SO WHEN THERE ARE EMERGENCIES, THAT FREQUENCY OF THAT BAND DOES NOT GET THE BUSY SIGNALS BECAUSE EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM, EVERYONE'S ON THEIR CELL PHONE CALLING EACH OTHER. THAT KEEPS THAT LINE OPEN.

ALSO, WE HAVE -- WE PUT IT -- THE LOCATION THAT WE CHOSE PROVIDES A LOT OF NATURAL SCREENING, AND I UNDERSTAND MR. KELLY'S CONCERN ABOUT THAT AND WHERE THE LOCATION SHOWS, AND I SPOKE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER THIS MORNING ABOUT IT, AND I WASN'T INVOLVED THE IN ORIGINAL LEASING OF THIS PROPERTY. IT WAS PRIOR TO MY INVOLVEMENT.

BUT THE REASON THAT SITE WAS SELECTED, AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU, AND THE LAST THING IT'S DESIGNED TO COLLAPSE UPON ITSELF WHICH IS A NEW TECHNOLOGY. IT WON'T FALL OVER 300 FEET TO THE SIDE. IT WILL COLLAPSE AT A POINT, A BREAK POINT, SO THAT IT WILL COLLAPSE ON ITSELF BASICALLY.

THESE ARE MAPS THAT THE STAFF PUT TOGETHER, THE LOCATION OF THE SITE THERE, AND ON COUNTY ROAD 214.

THE ZONING MAP WHICH SHOWS ICE AGRICULTURE -- OPEN RURAL, RATHER, IN THIS CASE, AND VERY WOODED PD THESE ARE THE EXISTING SITES FOR AT&T RIGHT NOW WHAT THEY HAVE AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE MILES APART. THERE'S A BIG SPACE IN BETWEEN THE EXISTING TOWERS. THIS IS A PROPAGATION MAP.

THIS IS THE FOR AT&T WHICH WOULD BE THE PRIMARY CARRIER. THAT'S OUR EXISTING COVERAGE, AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE THERE, THERE'S NOTHING, AND I'M SURE AT&T CUSTOMERS PROBABLY HAVE A HARD TIME MAKING CALLS IN THAT AREA. AND THIS WOULD BE WITH COVERAGE. IF WE ADD THE TOWER,S THIS IS WHAT THE COVERAGE WOULD BE. IF YOU GO BACK, YOU SEE WITHOUT, AND YOU SEE IT WITH. THIS IS THE SITE HERE, THE PROPERTY. THIS ROAD GOING BACK IS AN EXISTING ROAD AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY THIS SITE WAS SELCTED BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY AN EXISTING ROAD THAT KIND OF DIVIDES THE FARMLAND THERE. THE LEE FAMILY LEASED THIS PROPERTY OUT TO A FARMER, AND THIS WOULD BE THE LEASED, YOU KNOW, CUT INTO THEIR FARMING BECAUSE THIS ROAD IS ALREADY THERE. IT'S A SERVICE ROAD THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE TREES. THIS IS WHAT THE TOWER WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH FOUR CARRIERS. YOU CAN SEE IT'S A MULTI-CARRIER TOWER. IT'S DESIGNED FOR FOUR

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IT'S ALREADY READY TO GO. IF YOU GRANT -- IF YOU APPROVE THIS, THAT WOULD LSHED IN PLACE AS AN EXISTING WIRELESS FACILITY. THIS IS WHAT THE FENCING WOULD BE. WE'RE PROPOSING CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH BARBED WIRE. AND THEN AROUND IT WE WORKED WITH THE TREE FOLKS IN THE COUNTY WHICH IS A BIG CONCERN ABOUT REMOVING TREES AND ADDINGS TREES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND WE'RE GOING TO -- ANY TREES THAT ARE COMING OUT THAT WE NEED TO CUT OUT, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO CUT INTO THEIR WOODED AREA SO WE'RE NOT CUTTING INTO THEIR FARMING AREA, WE KIND OF NOTCHED IT OUT IN THE WOODED AREA, SO ANY TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED ARE GOING TO BE REPLACED ATH REPLACE S SCREENING AROUND THE COMPOUND SO YOU WON'T SEE IT AROUND THE BASE OF THE EQUIPMENT. THIS IS A LETTER OF NEED FROM AT&T. YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN IN IT YOUR PACKET. I BELIEVE THE STAFF REPORT THAT I HAVE INCLUDED IT. I'M NOT SURE.

BASICALLY SAYING THERE'S A GAP IN COVERAGE AND THEY'VE LOOKED AT -- THERE'S NO OTHER EXISTING FACILITIES.

WE ALSO WORKED WITH A THIRD PARTY CONSULTING FOR THE COUNTY THAT'S A WIRELESS EXPERT, AND THEY CONFIRMED THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER TOWERS WITHIN 2-1/2 MILES THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY CO-LOCATE ON, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT TO -- RATHER THAN POPPING TOWERS UP WHEN YOU WHEN YOU DON'T NEED THEM, THERE ARE NO TOWERS IN THIS AREA THAT WOULD DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

THERE ALSO A FALL LETTER SAYING THAT THE TOWER WOULD FALL UPON GLIFTS LEASE AREA. THIS IS OUR FA DETERMINATION OF NO HAZARD WHICH WE'RE GOOD UP TO 300 AND SOMETHING FEET.

IT'S KIND OF FAR AWAY FOR ME TO SEE IT NO.

UP TO 315 FEET I THINK WE'RE EVER WE'RE CLEAR WITH THE FA SO THERE'S NO KIND OF, ANY KIND OF HAZARD TO AVIATION.

HAVE TO TAKE PHOTO SIM LAIKSZ, AND THEY WANTED ME TODAY EIGHT DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS. SO WE TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS AROUND THE AREA. THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS THAT WE WENT TO. PHOTO SIMULATIONS.

AND THIS IS VIEW ONE. IF WE GO BACK TO VIEW ONE WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ACTUALLY FROM MR. KELLY, YOU CAN SEE VIEW 1 DOWN THERE AND VIEW 2, ONE IS JUST EAST OF HIS PROPERTY, ONE IS JUST WEST OF HIS PROPERTY, AND HIS PROPERTY IS DOWN THERE IN THE MIDDLE. IF YOU SEE ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE HIS DRIVEWAY, IT'S RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE TOWER.

HIS DRIVEWAY IS WEST OF THE TOWER, SO IT IS NOT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. AND HE'S SET WAY BACK INTO HIS -- NOTCHED OUT INTO THE WEDNESDAY WOODS THERE SOU SAT ON HIS FRONT CORRIDOR STEP I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEE THE TOWER WITH THE EXISTING TREES AND VEGETATION.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THE DISTANCE, I THINK THE ONLY TIME HE WILL SEE IS IT WHEN COMING AND GOING FROM HIS HOUSE.

SO THIS IS VIEW 1 HERE BEFORE AND AFTER, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM THE STREET. SET PRETTY FAR BACK.

I'M 900 FEET, I BELIEVE, HAVING OFF THE ROAD WHICH IS FARTHER THAN WE NORMALLY WG A CELL TOWER.

USUALLY THEY LIKE TO BE 50 TO WEREN'T HUNDRED FEET OFF THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PUT IN A NEW DRIVEWAY AND FOR ACCESSIBILITY, THEY TRY TO KEEP IT AS CLOSE TO THE ROAD AS POSSIBLE DEPENDING ON THE JURISDICTION.

THEY MIGHT HAVE FALL ZONE REQUIREMENTS, WHATEVER.

IN THIS CASE THIS WAS FARTHER BACK THAN MOST OF THEM THAT I HAVE EVER DONE. THE ONLY REASON WE DID THAT IS BECAUSE THERE WAS AN EXISTING SERVICE ROAD GOING BACK THERE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SPHEERT WITH FARMING THAT'S GOING ON.

SNEER WITH THE FARMING. THAT'S VIEW 1.

THIS IS VIEW 2. THIS WOULD BE JUST WEST OF MR. KELLY'S PROPERTY SO LOOKING, IF YOU WERE OUT ON THE ROAD THERE A LITTLE BIT, I DON'T KNOW, A FEW HUNDRED FEET TO THE WEST LOOKING OUT, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE.

NOT A WHOLE LOT. VIEW 3 IS LOOKING EAST ON 13A.

ONCE AGAIN, WAY BACK, SET WAY BACK IN THE WOODS.

HERE'S OFF OF SOUTHEAST, OFF OF 13A YOU.

CAN'T EVEN SEE IT. THERE'S SO MUCH REGTATION OFF THE ROAD WE COULDN'T EVEN SEE THE TOWER.

WHEN THEY TOOK THE PICTURE, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SIGHT.

SAME THING HERE. THIS IS ACTUALLY NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. THESE ARE ACTUALLY 5 AND 6, IF I GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING, YOU'LL SEE 5 AND 6 BACK THERE.

THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE OLIVE TREES AND THE WOODS AND ALL THAT. IF YOU'RE DOWN ON THAT STREET THERE, YOU'LL NEVER EVEN SEE THIS TOWER DOWN AT THE STREET LEVEL BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING TREES.

AND THEN -- LET'S SEE -- VIEW NUMBER 7, AND THIS IS VIEW NUMBER 7 BEFORE AND AFTER LOOKING WEST ON POE BOY FARMS ROAD. THE TOWER ONCE AGAIN IS NOT VISIBLE. FEW NUMBER 8, THIS IS OFF OF

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ONCE AGAIN, THE TOWER IS SET FOE FAR OFF THE ROAD, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT MUCH OF A VISUAL IMPACT.

AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

IT'S PRETTY BASIC CUT AND DRY. IT'S AN UNMANNED FACILITY.

WE WON'T NEED ANY WATER. WE WON'T NEED ANY SEWER.

IT WILL BE MAYBE A TECHNICIAN MAYBE ONCE A MONTH WILL COME THERE LIKE IN A VAN OR A PICKUP TRUCK TO SERVICE AND IT TWEAK IT, WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE. OTHER THAN AFTER CONSTRUCTION, THEY WON'T SEE ANY ACTIVITY THERE AT ALL.

IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

>> DOES ANYBODY IN THE AGENCY? DR. HILSENBECK?

>> YEAH, I HAVE A FEW, MORE THAN WHEN I FIRST READ THE APPLICATION, BUT SO LET ME JUST ASK THIS.

YOU SAID THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THE THEIR FARMING OPERATION, AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

I'M A MAJOR PROPONENT OF AGRICULTURE IN THIS COUNTY.

SO -- BUT IT APPEARS FROM THIS PHOTO THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN THAT THE TOWER NOW IS IN AN AREA THAT'S NOT CULTIVATED FOR, SAY, POTATOES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A PINE PLANTATION, MAYBE SOME WETLAND VEGETATION. IF YOU MOVED IT 1,000 FEET EAST, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT 1,000 FEET ON THIS MAP IS.

>> IT WOULD BE I THE CORNER OF THAT JUST TO THE RIGHT IN THAT CORNER WHERE THE TREE IS IN, BUT THERE WOULD BE NO DRIVEWAY THERE. ALL THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PUT IN. ACCORDING TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. LEE, THEY LOOKED AT DIFFERENT PLACES ON HIS PROPERTY WHEN THEY FIRST DID THIS, AND THIS WAS THE SITE THAT HE SELECTED AS THE LEAST IMPACT TO THE FARMING, TO HIS TENANT THAT

IS RENTING IT OUT TO FARMING. >> MY QUESTION ACTUALLY WAS GOING TO BE SO IF YOU MOVED IT 1,000 FEET, IT DOESN'T -- IT STILL LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE IN SOME SORT OF A SILVICULTURAL AREA WHICH I DO CONSIDER AGRICULTURE, DUTY BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WOULD SPHERE WITH ACTIVE FOMENT FARMS. I'M THE EVER I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT HE'S GROWING.

>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT HE'S GROWING.

APPROVING THE TOWER, ENGINEERING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER DONE A PROJECT LIKE THIS BUT THERE ARE SO MANY REPORTS, TONS OF PHASE 1S AND NEEP A REPORTS AND SHIPWA REPORTS AND ENGINEERING AND FOUNDATION DESIGNS AND LEASING AND MY TIME AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE ALREADY GOT ALMOST $100,000 INVESTED INTO THIS SITE.

IF WE WERE TO MIGHT HAVE EVEN 1,000 FEET BECAUSE ONE PERSON SAYS IT'S ACROSS THE STREET BUT IT'S REALLY NOT, WE'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH. THE ONLY THING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO RESTART IS THE LEASE. WE HAVE TO REDO THE LEASE, THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND THE LEASE.

OTHER THAN THAT EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO START OVER.

IF YOU MOVE A TOWER EVEN 15 FEET, YOU HAVE TO START BACK WITH THE FAA. YOU HAVE TO START BACK WITH PHASE 1. YOU HAVE TO START BACK WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, AUTHORITIES, ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS.

IT'S IN THE AN EASY THING TO DO.

-- IT'S NOT AN EASY THING TO DO.

THIS TOWER, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A COUPLE YEARS TRYING TO GET THIS DONE, AND AT THIS LATE DATE TO START OVER WOULD BE CRAZY. IT'S JUST VERY DIFFICULT.

>> I'M CERTAIN THAT IT'S AN EXTREMELY COMPLEX PROCESS, AND I HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BEEN INVOLVED IN ENGINEERING ONE OF THESE. THAT'S NOT MY FORTE.

SO, NO, I HAVEN'T, SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS THERE.

SO THAT WAS A GOOD ANSWER. IS THIS TOWER -- LOOKING AT THAT ONE DIAGRAM YOU SHOWED WITH THE TREES PLANTED AROUND IT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT DIAGRAM IN THE LEFT UP RIGHT, RIGHT THERE WHERE IT SAYS EXISTING TREE TO REMAIN THAT YOU'VE GOT UP THERE, MAPLE, CYPRESS, MAPLE, CYPRESS, THINGS LIKE THAT, IS THIS PATROLLED IN

A WETLAND AREA? >> NO, IT'S NOT IN A WETLAND AREA BUT THERE WERE SOME TREES ON THEIR LIST, AND WE HAD THE COUNTY LANDSCAPING FOLKS LOOK AT IT, AND THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE -- WE GAVE THEM -- WE HAD THE TREES ALL IDENTIFIED, WHAT WAS BEING REMOVED AND SOME WERE PINE TREES, WHICH DOWN HERE THEY'RE LOOK WEEDS, BUT THERE WERE SOME PROTECTED TREES IN THERE.

SO THE ONES THAT WERE, WE WEREN'T WE'RE RELOCATING AND PUTTING THEM INTO THE TREE BIERCHG WHATEVER WE COULDN'T FIT THEM, RATHER THAN PUTTING THEM OUT INTO THE CULTIVATED AREA, WE'RE GOING PUT MONEY INTO THE TREE BANK, I GUESS IS HOW YOU WORK IT DOWN HERE. SO WE DID OUR BEST, THOUGH, TO SALVAGE, TO TRY AND KEEP WHATEVER WE CAN, REPLACE WHATEVER WE CAN WITH THE SAME AND USE IT AS SCREENING AROUND THE TOWER AS OPPOSED TO -- NORMALLY WE JUST PUT AROUND A TOWER, EVERGREENS, IN THIS PLACE WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE -- WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT REPLACEMENT AS SCREENING TO TRY AND KEEP IT AS

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ANSWER. >> GOOD PANS I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MR. KELLY, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT HE'S WORRIED ABOUT LOOKING AT THE BASE OF THE TOWER NECESSARILY FROM HIS PROPERTY, SO THAT SCREENING DOES NOTHING FOR THE 300-FOOT TOWER.

THAT INCLUDES THE 500-FOOT ON TOP.

>> I UNDERSTAND. LOOKING AT HIS SITE, I DON'T HAVE GOOGLE EARTH PULLED UP HERE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT -- AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT HIS CONCERNS UNTIL THIS MORNING.

HAD I KNOWN ABOUT HIS CONCERNS, WE WOULD HAVE GONE OUT AND TAKEN PICTURES FROM HIS FRONT PORCH TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ON THE SITE SIGHT LINE. BECAUSE HE'S CUT WAY BACK INTO THE TREES HIMSELF, THE ONLY TIME HE'S GOING TO SIGHT IS COMING IN AND OUT OF HIS PROPERTY, FROM GOOGLE EARTH.

THAT ANGLE, THE TREES ON HIS EAST SIDE SET BACK IN THE TREES ON THE EAST, IN FACT I'LL BAG TO THIS VIEW HERE IF YOU SEE WHERE HE'S AT, YOU SEE VIEW 1 JUST TO THE LEFT THERE'S A LITTLE NOTCH. THAT'S WHERE HIS HOME IS.

I BELIEVE THAT'S HIS RESIDENCE DOWN THERE.

THAT ANGLE, I DON'T THINK HE'S EVEN GOING SEE IT BEING THAT FAR BACK. IF TWHRAIS LINE STRAIGHT UP, I WOULD SAY YES, THERE'S AN ISSUE, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE OFFSET TO THE EAST AND THERE ARE SO MANY TREES THERE, I DON'T SEE HOW -- 1,000 FEET WOULDN'T MAKE DAIRCHES.

IT'S GOING TO SEE THE SAME THING.

HE'LL SIGHT COMING AND GOING FROM HIS HOUSE BUT NOT ON THE FRONT PORCH, I DON'T THINK. HAD I HAD MORE TIME, I WOULD HAVE HAD PHOTOGRAPHERS OUT THERE.

WE WOULD HAVE TAKEN PICTURES RIGHT FROM HIS FRONT PORCH TO

DOCUMENT THAT. >> DID I NOT HAVE A CHANCE THIS WEEK TO DRIVE OUT TO TOC ORISKANY ROAD TO LOOK AT THIS BUT IT DOESN'T APPEAR FROM THIS AERIAL PHOTO, WHICH I ASSUME IS QUITE RECENT, THAT THERE ARE ANY OTHER HOUSES NEARBY AT ALL TO THE EAST. ARE THERE?

>> NO. BUT THERE ARE SOME TO THE WEST, AND THEY WOULD STILL SEE IT. I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, UNLESS -- WE CAN MOVE IT 1,000 FEET. HE WOULD SEE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TOWER THERE AS WE WOULD THERE BECAUSE IT'S NOTE RIGHT IN LINE WITH HIS DRIVEWAY. IF IT WAS RIGHT THERE IN LINE WITH HIS DRIVEWAY OR ON HIS FRONT PORCH, I WOULD TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT BUT BEING OFFSET, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SIGHT. YOU'LL SEE IT AS MUCH AS THERE IF I MOVE IT BACK 1,000 FEET AND START OVER.

>> I APPRECIATE YOU ALL APPLYING FOR A PERMIT FOR THIS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE SPEAKER CARD.

>> YES, VERNON KELLY. >> SHALL I STAY HERE?

>> YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT. >> CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> YES. MY NAME IS VERNON KELLY.

MY ADDRESS IS 5895 COUNTY ROAD 214 ST. AUGUSTINE.

MY PROPERTY IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROJECT.

IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THE FIRST WE HEARD OF THIS WAS WHEN THE ORANGE REZONING SIGNS WENT UP ON THE PROPERTY, AND SO NOBODY CONTACTED US. OF COURSE, NO ONE HAD TO, BUT AS FAR AS REACHING OUT ABOUT THE LOCATION, THERE WAS NONE OF THAT. ALSO, I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, IF I GO IN MY HOUSE AND CLOSE MY FRONT DOOR, I WON'T SEE THIS THING, EITHER, BUT AS FAR AS BEING ON MY PROPERTY, I'LL SEE IT. IT'S 300 FEET HIGH, AND TO TALK ABOUT THE SCREENING AROUND THE BASE OF IT SHIELDING IT IS LAUGHABLE. IN FACT, THE ONLY, THE ONLY SHIELDING IS DISTANCE BECAUSE IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A POTATO FIELD. AND THOSE FIELDS HAVE BEEN -- HAVE BEEN PRODUCING SINCE WE MOVED THERE.

WE LIVED THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS, AND THEY'VE BEEN CULTIVATED FOR POTATOES PRIOR TO OUR ACTUALLY MOVING THERE, AND I'M SURE THEY'LL CONTINUE TO BE FROM NOW ON.

THE REQUEST TO MOVE IT 1,000 FEET FURTHER ON CERTAINLY WON'T MAKE IT GO AWAY, BUT IT WILL MAKE IT 1,000 FEET FURTHER AWAY. AND SINCE THE ONLY SHIELDING THAT I HAVE IS THE DISTANCE FROM MY HOME OR MY PROPERTY, WILL IT

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ALSO, IT APPEARS TO ME, FROM THE AERIAL, THAT THE LOCATION CURRENTLY WITH THE ROAD KIND OF CUTS THE FIELD IN LAUGH, WHEREAS IF IT'S FURTHER DOWN TOWARD THE END, IT SHOULD BE LESS INTRUSIVE. ALSO, THE ROAD THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THAT ACCESSES THE PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY NOT AN IMPROVED ROAD. THERE'S AN EXISTING DITCH AND THE SPOIL FROM THAT DITCH WAS PILED UP ADJACENT TO IT CHSK MADE IT HIGHER THAN THE SURROUNDING GROUND, AND OVER TIME IT'S BEEN COMPACTED AS EQUIPMENT RAN BACK AND FORTH ACROSS IT. BUT IT'S NOT A PAVED ROAD.

AND SO AS FAR AS REMOVING THAT ROAD OR REPLACING THAT ROAD, IT'S NOT A MAJOR EXPENSE. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND

CONSIDERATION. >> THANKS, MR. KELLY.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WOULD THE -- DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> THAT'S IT. >> THAT'S IT.

NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKER CARDS. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME

UP AND PROVIDE ANY REBUTTAL? >> YES.

THE ROAD, THE EXISTING ROAD IS THE REASON WE USED THAT WAS BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY AN EXISTING CUT INTO THERE AND THE TENANT OR THE LESSEE OF THE FARMER ALREADY USES THAT FOR HIS EQUIPMENT IN AND OUT, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S EVER -- IT'S BEEN FOR YEARS IT'S BEEN PACKED AND PACKED AND PACKED FOR YEARS USING THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT DOES SPLIT THE PROPERTY THE PURPOSE WAS -- AND IT ALSO HAS POWER LINES RUNNING ALONG IT.

THAT'S WHERE LEE BRINGS POWER BACK, SO WE'RE GRABBING OUR POWER OFF OF THOSE POWER LINES, SO THERE'S KIND OF A DOUBLE THING THERE YOU. CAN'T SEE THE PYROLINES FROM HERE BUT THERE ARE POWER LINES, POWER POLES THAT RUN ALONG THAT ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN. SO TO MOVE THAT NOW AND START CULTIVATING THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MOVE THOSE POWER LINES AS WELL DOWN TO SOMEWHERE THAT ISN'T ALREADY A DIVIDE, YOU KNOW, AN ACCESS ROAD FOR THEM OR FOR HOOVER.

I DON'T KNOW WHO IS GETTING ALL THE POWER BACK THERE, SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED AS WELL.

SO IT JUST SEEMED LIKE A -- KIND OF THE GROUND DICTATED WHERE WE GO WITH THIS, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER LOOKED AT AND IT SAID THIS MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR EVERYONE.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT MR. KELLY, IT KIND OF CAME AS A SURPRISE.

WE DID EVERYTHING PER CODE REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS NOTIFICATIONS AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING GOES, SO I APOLOGIZE THAT THERE WASN'T MORE NOTICE FOR HIM.

I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH NOTICE THAT HE WAS COMING HERE TODAY, EITHER. HAD I HAD MORE NOTICE, WE WOULD HAVE MAYBE LOOKED AT IT. WHAT WE CAN SUGGEST, TOO, IF IT WOULD HELP, IF WE GET -- IF IT IS A VISUAL THING THERE, WE CAN ADD AN EXTRA TREE OR TWO ON HIS PROPERTY IF THAT WOULD MAKE MATTERS BETTER TO MAYBE OFFSET IT.

I KNOW THE TREES AROUND THE BASE AREN'T SCREENING.

THAT'S SCREENING FOR THE GROUND EQUIPMENT WHICH IS PART OF YOUR CODE TO SCREEN THAT EQUIPMENT. THERE'S NO WAY TO HIDE A POWER.

BUT WE COULD POSSIBLY PICK SOME OF THE TREES THAT WE WERE GOING TO PUT IN THE TREE BANK AND MOVE THEM OVER TO HIS PROPERTY, SO WHEN HE LOOKS OUT HE SEES TREES, HE DOESN'T SEE THE TOWER.

AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD COMPROMISE TO ADD A FEW MORE TREES, TAKE THEM -- BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING THEM ANY WAY.

WE HAVE TO PUT THEM TO THE TREE BANK.

WHY NOT ADD THEM TO HIS PROPERTY AND HOPEFULLY OFFSET THAT.

THAT'S ALL I CAN REALLY DO. I CAN'T REALLY -- OTHER THAN THAT, I CAN'T MOVE THE SITE RIGHT NOW, WE'LL BE STARTING FROM SCRATCH. THIS HAS BEEN A TWO-YEAR PROCESS. IT'S A VERY PAINSTAKING PROCESS, VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS TO GET THESE THINGS THROUGH, AND TO START OVER, WHICH IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY STARTING OVER TO MOVE IT, EVEN 20 FEET, IT WOULD BE STARTING OVER.

SO I HOPE THAT YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

>> SIR, DO YOU KNOW, CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE MR. KELLY LIVES,

MR. KELLY. >> SURE.

IS THERE A POINTER ON THIS? >> WHERE IS HIS HOUSE?

>> ON THE VERY END OF IT? >> SO IT'S THE CLEARED AREA TO THE LEFT OF VIEW 1? [INAUDIBLE]

SO HE'S NOT IN THE TREES. >> SURE.

LET'S SEE. THERE WE GO.

I BELIEVE HIS RESIDENCE IS RIGHT DOWN IN HERE.

>> THANK YOU. I THOUGHT THAT WAS IT.

>> WE CAN MAYBE MOVE SOME TREES AND POP THEM RIGHT IN THERE AND CUT OFF THAT SIGHT LINE, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S LESS VISUAL

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MIGHT AS WELL, WE CAN JUST AS WELL PUT THEM ON HIS PROPERTY.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY AT THIS POINT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? >> SIR HOW FAR BACK DOES

MR. KELLY'S HOUSESIT? >> HIS HOUSE IS SET BACK PRETTY FAR. A GOOD 600 FEET, I'D SAY, BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT 900, I THINK, AND I THINK HE'S PRETTY FAR BACK THERE. I DON'T HAVE GOOGLE EARTH PULLED UP, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DISTANCE, THERE WE ARE FROM THERE TO THE ROAD AND HIS HOUSE IS PUCKED BACK IN THE TREES BACK IN HERE. SO HE'S SET BACK PRETTY AS FA.

IS THAT CORRECT, SIR? >> 1300 FEET.

>> SO HE'S FURTHER OFF THE ROAD THAN WE ARE.

SO HE'S TUCKED BACK INTO THE WOODS PRETTY GOOD.

LIKE I SAID, I THINK HE'LL ONLY SEE IT COMING AND GOING, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF WE MIGHT HAVE 1,000 FEET, HE'LL SEE IT

COMING AND GOING THROUGH TOO. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> ALL RIGHT. BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. JACK.

>> GREG, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY.

DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THE WHOLEING?

. >> YES.

>> MOTION TO DENY TOWER 2020-01 LENDLEASE/AT&T, A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE PLACEMENT OF A NEW 300-FOOT SELF-SUPPORT LATTICE COMMUNICATION TOWER TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN A 100 BY 100-FOOT LEASED AREA OF THE PARENT PARCEL LOCATED AT 5800 COUNTY ROAD 214 BASED ON TEN FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL BY MR. PETER. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? ALL RIGHT.

THAT DIES FOR LACK OF A MOTION. IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION?

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TOWER 2020-01 LENDLEASE/AT&T A REQUEST FORTE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE PLACEMENTS AFTER NEW 300 SELF SUPPORT LATTICE COMMUNICATION TOWER TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN A 100 PIE 100-FOOT LEASED AREA OF THE PARENT PARCEL BASED ON 11 FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO 11 CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> WE'VE GOT A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. MILLER. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? THIS IS -- I HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION.

THIS IS DIFFICULT FOR ME. THERE'S ONE RESIDENT ON THIS ROAD AND WE'RE DEALING WITH COSTS HERE AS BEING AN ISSUE AND TIME. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE RESIDENT WASN'T CONSULTED, BUT AT THE SAME TIME SITTING BACK 1300 FEET AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE BENEFITING SO MANY OTHER

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I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, WE'RE READY TO REGISTER THE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES.

CONGRATULATIONS, SIR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3 OF YOUR AGENDA, IT'S A A REQUEST FOR MINOR MODIFICATION SO I'LL ASK FOR ANY DISPART COMMUNICATION ON THIS ITEM. SEEING NONE, WE ARE READY TO

HEAR FROM MR. DEAN. >> WHY I.

HELLO, MY NAME IS BRYAN DEAN AND I VIDE AT 545 FRUIT COURT GROVE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WITH.

>> ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION, SNIR.

>> YES, SIR. OKAY.

I'M REQUESTING A MINOR MODIFICATION FOR A SUITE AT 108 BARTRAM OAKS WALK, SUITE 101 FOR A BREWERY.

THIS IS A GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE SHOWING THE SHOPPING CENTER, AND WE WOULD BE RIGHT HERE ON THIS CORNER.

I ALSO HAVE A VIEW FROM THE FRONT OF THE SUITE THAT WOULD SHOW THE NAME, AND THIS IS THE CORNER OF THAT LOCATION AS WELL, AND I HAVE A ENGINEER DRAWING HERE AS WELL AS HERE THAT JUST SHOWS KIND OF A GENERIC LAYOUT FOR THE SEATING, AND THAT IS

ALL. >> OKAY.

DOES NUB HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

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I DO. >> YES, SIR.

>> WHAT USED TO BE IN THERE? .

>> IT WAS A -- IT WAS A DANCE STUDIO.

>> AND YOU'RE NOT WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF ANY SCHOOLS OR

CHURCHES. >> NO, SIR.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> YES, SIR. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> THERE ARE NO SPEAKER CARDS. >> NO SPEAKER CARDS, SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MEGAN. >> MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MOD 2020-01 -- 2021-06 SUBJECT TO 11 CONDITIONS AND SIX FINDINGS.

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>>> FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND IN SECOND BY ZACH SCOTT.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

MAYBE I'LL STOP IN ONE NIGHT AND SEE.

>> YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'D APPRECIATE THAT.

>> OKAY. WE'RE MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, AND THIS IS A LAND USE CHANGE, RIGHT? SO E DON'T HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.

MS. TAYLOR. [INAUDIBLE]

>> ITEM IN THE NEXT ITEM TOGETHER.

THIS IS, KIND OF WHAT MR. MILLER WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THIS IS HAD A COMP PLAN AMOUNTED AND ALONG WITH IT WE HAVE A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR YOU TO LOOK AT, SO MY PRESENTATION IS KIND

OF COMBINED INTO THE ONE. >> ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S FINE. BEFORE WE PROCEED, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION ON ITEM NUMBER 5? NO EX PARTE. GO AHEAD, MS. TAYLOR.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANYWAY, I INTRODUCED MYSELF. WITH ME IS ABE SHE'LL.

HE'S ONE OF THE OWNERS. AARON BONA AND ANDY STEVENSON.

THEY ARE THE THREE OWNERS AND I'LL PLAN IS A LITTLE BIT AS WE GO ALONG AND BE ROBB MATTHEWS WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING ANYTHING THAT I CAN'T HANDLE SO I'LL MOVE ALONG. THE LOCATION OF THIS IS AT COUNT ROAD 13 NORTH AND JOE ASHTON ROAD.

PALM FISH CAMP ROAD IS RIGHT UP TO THE NORTH OF IT, JUST SLIGHTLY THAT COMES IN. THIS IS SIX MILE CREEK.

YOU ALL MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

THIS IS HERITAGE LANDING, PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

THIS IS THE OUTBACK CRAB SHACK THAT ISN'T THERE BUT NOW GOING IS GOING TO COME BACK TO BEING THERE.

WE ARE DISPORG BOTH A COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN EXPOOMENTD A PUD, AND I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A MINUTE, BUT THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT'S AROUND IT. AND AGAIN, ACTUALLY, ABE OWNS ALL THE WAY UP TO HERE BUT WE CUT THAT OUT OF THERE.

THAT JUST SCAIS OR, STAYS -- -- STAYS OR, STAYS RS OUT OF THE WHOLE THING. WE LEFT THIS PORTION SO IT WOULD BE EVIDENT OF WHAT WE WERE PRESERVING AND THE BUFFERS REQUIRED. YOU CAN SEE BY LOOKING ON IT THAT THIS IS ADJACENT TO AND WRAPS AROUND BUDDY BOY'S COUNTRY STORE, AND I'LL GET TO THE OWNERSHIP IN A SECOND.

ACROSS THE ROAD IS FARM FIELDS. HERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL UP IN HERE ON PALMER FISH CAMP ROAD AND AS YOU GO UP FARTHER ALONG.

I DID DO A LITTLE DIAGRAM HERE JUST TO SHOW THE TWO TRUE OWNERSHIP. ABE OWNS THIS PARTICULAR PORTION NEXT TO BUDDY BOY'S, AND ANDY AND AARON OWN THE OTHER ONE.

THEY'RE ALL A, SO IF I GET THEM MIXED UP YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME TODAY. AND THE CONVENIENCE STORE BUDDY BOY'S HAS BEEN THERE FOR MANY, MANY MOONS.

ADJACENT LAND USE, AND I'LL GET TO THESE BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THE BUDDY BOY'S SITE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, BUT MOST OF THE AREA IMMEDIATELY IS RURAL SILVER CUMPLE, BUT AS YOU SEE IN THE WHOLE GENERAL AREA YOU GET INTO THE DRI AND INTO RESIDENTIAL-A AND B AND AGAIN SOME RURAL COMMERCIAL AS WELL.

AND JUST TO COME A LITTLE CLOSER, THAT ALSO KIND OF SHOWS YOU A LITTLE BETTER. THERE IS A PUBLIC OWNERSHIP IN THAT AGRICULTURE BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR.

I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS.

AS FOR ZONING, IT'S EITHER PRETTY MUCH OR OR PUD IN MOST OF THE AREA. MEDICINE THE BUDDY BOY'S SITE IS

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IT HAS COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE USES EXCEPT IT IS GRANDFATHERED WITH SOME OF THE USES FROM BEFORE THIS WAS RELEVANT MANY YEARS AGO. THERE'S A PRD ACROSS THE STREET THAT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A PSD JUST IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO PALMA FISH CAMP ROAD THAT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED AS WELL. JUST KIND OF A SITE AERIAL TO GET YOU A LITTLE BIT CLOSER SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE ACTIVITIES AND SEE WHAT THE SITES LOOK LIKE AND YOU CAN SEE THE ROAD, WHICH IS COUNTY 13 NORTH.

JOE ASHTON ROAD COMING DOWN TO HERE.

PALMA FISH CAMP WAS A WAS TALKING ABOUT.

THERE'S A REASON, TOO, TO POINT THIS OUT BECAUSE WE HAD TO SITUATE A NEW DRIVEWAY A CERTAIN DISTANCE AWAY FROM THAT AND WORKED WITH COUNTY STAFF TO DO THAT.

AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO -- YOU CAN REALLY SEE THE JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND LINE. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THIS AREA IN HERE. THIS IS ALL VACANT.

IT'S KIND OF BUILT UP QUITE A BIT IN THAT AREA.

YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY THAT AARON AND ANDY HAVE.

THERE'S A LITTLE -- IT WAS A GENERAL STORE, HARDWARE STORE GRANDDAUGHTER GRAND YD A YEARS AGO AND ACTIVITY AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF LITTLE HOMES AND THINGS.

THIS IS THE OVERALL PLAN, AND I'LL BREAK IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT BUT JUST TO GIVE SOME OF THE DETAILS, IT IS IN NORTHWEST SECTOR SO WE DO HAVE A 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE THAT WOULD BE SURROUNDING ALL OF THE PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR THAT ALONG COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH. THAT REQUIRES A SEENIC EDGE.

BUT ON TOP OF THE SCENIC EDGE THERE'S ALSO THE HISTORIC HIGHWAY BUFFER THAT'S REQUIRED SO THAT 30-FOOT SCENIC EDGE BECOMES A 40-FOOT BUFFER INSTEAD ALONG THERE.

WE DO HAVE THE 25-FOOT UPLAND BUFFER ALONG THE WET LICENSED AND THEN A 25-FOOT WETLANDS SETBACK REQUIREMENT THAT WE MEET AS WELL. JUST ANOTHER ONE IN CASE WE NEED TO POP BACK AND FORTH. SO THIS IS DEVELOPMENT AREA A.

I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL NOTES ON MY A.

BUT BASICALLY THE REQUEST IS FOR 11,900 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE, AND THAT WOULD BE THIS BUILDING IN HERE.

THERE IS COMMUNITY SPACE, WHICH IS PART OF THE NORTHWEST SECTOR REQUIREMENT, AND WE HAVE PUT THAT BETWEEN 2 THREE SITES SO THAT IT CAN BE SHARED. THERE IS THE NEW ACCESS, AS I WAS TALKING ABOUT. DUE TO SPEEDS AND DISTANCES TO THE INTERSECTION, BASICALLY THAT'LL BE A LARGE CURVE TO SLOW DOWN RATHER THAN A TURN LANE, SO WE HAVE WORKED WITH COUNTY STAFF ON THAT AS WELL. THEY PLAN TO SHARE STORM WATER, AND THEIR STORM WATER IS TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE SITE SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT AREA. THERE IS SOME SELF-STORAGE PROPOSED, AND THE SELF-STORAGE WOULD BE BEHIND THAT PARTICULAR AREA. THERE'S A WAIVER IN THE REQUEST, AND THE WAIVER IS THAT SELF-STORAGE, THERE IS A PROHIBITION FOR SELF-STORAGE ALONG THE SCENIC HIGHWAY WITHIN 600 FEET. THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PROART IN COUNTY. IT'S NOT PROHIBITED IN OTHER.

SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A WAIVER TO THAT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

ONE IS THAT WE ARE TOTALLY BEHIND THE OTHER SITE, SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE SEEN FROM THE SCENIC HIGHWAY, WHICH IS 13.

THE BUILDING WILL BE PERPENDICULAR TO THE SITE AS WELL, SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE OPENINGS OR ANY KIND OF GARAGE DOORS WOULD BE INTERIOR TO THE SITE, SO EVEN FROM JOE ASHTON ROAD, WHICH IS NOT A SCENIC HIGHWAY, YOU'RE STILL NOT GOING TO SEE THAT, AND WE'VE ALSO PUT IN THE PUD THAT WE'LL AGREE THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND FINISHES WILL BE THE SAME AS FOR THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

AND ALL ARE AWARE THAT IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR, THE ARCHITECTURAL TYPE THING DOES ALL HAVE TO BE CONSOLIDATED.

SO WE DO PLAN TO DO THAT AS WEL WELL.

THIS WOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENT AREA B WHICH IS ANDY'S AND AARON'S, AND THAT HAS THE EXISTING GENERAL STORE.

WE'VE GOT SOME PICTURES HERE THAT KIND OF COVER THESE BUILDINGS IN THIS AREA. IT SHOWS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE IN HERE THAT'LL BE REMOVED.

THERE IS ONE BACK IN HERE AND A GARAGE THAT WILL REMAIN, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO REMAIN. THIS IS THE AREA THAT THEY PLAN

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THE TREES AND STUFF, IF YOU'VE GOT A CHANCE TO GO OUT, THEY HAVE A LOT OF NICE TREES RIGHT IN THIS AREA, AND SO WE KIND OF WORKED ALONG WITH THAT AS WELL TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

WE DO ALLOW FOR SOME FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT IF THEY -- IF THIS DOESN'T FINANCIALLY WORK FOR THEM IN THE FUTURE, THAT THEY CAN COME BACK IN AND MODIFY THE PUD TO DO A MORE TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY THERE, SO THERE IS ACTUALLY -- THAT'S INCLUDED. WE HAVE TWO WAIVERS IN THIS ONE AS WELL. WE DO HAVE A REQUIREMENT ALONG JOE ASHTON ROAD FOR A 15-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY RESERVATION.

WE ALSO HAVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE.

AND WE ARE ASKING THAT WE BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THAT RESERVATION FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY. IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANYTHING IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR WIDENING JOE ASHTON ROAD, BUT THAT WOULD RESULT IN A 20-FOOT EDGE IN THE FUTURE.

SO THAT'S THE SECOND ONE. THAT'S JUST KIND OF AN OVERALL, SHOWING YOU HOW IT GOES TOGETHER.

THE ONE THING IT DIDN'T MENTION IS THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE CROSS-ACCESS SEESMENTS. RIGHT NOW THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT COVERS HERE THAT GOES FROM 13 TO THE HARDWARE SITE THROUGH THIS AND NEXT TO ABE'S SITE HERE, AND THAT WILL REMAIN CROSS-EASEMENTS SO YOU CAN COME FROM BOTH SIDES.

JUST SOME PICTURES. THIS IS THE ENTRANCE, THE CURRENT ENTRANCE OFF JOE ASHTON ROAD.

THIS IS AS YOU START COMING INTO THE SITE.

YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE TREES I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

THAT IS THEIR LITTLE GENERAL STORE, HARDWARE STORE, AND THAT COVERS BACK ALONG THAT WHOLE FRONT EDGE.

THERE'S A LITTLE HOUSE IN THE BACK.

THAT HOUSE WILL BE -- WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED.

THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT WILL REMAIN, AND IT DOES HAVE A GARAGE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IF YOU LOOK REAL CLOSE.

THIS IS ABE'S SITE FROM 13 13, LOOKING FROM 13, LOOKING NORTH.

THIS IS THE CROSS-EASEMENT THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE RAMP THAT YOU SEE WOULD BE THE BUDDY BOY'S RAMP, SO YOU CAN SEE THE HARDWARE STORE BACK IN HERE AND THEN THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT WILL BE OFF TO THE LEFT. AND THAT'S THE EXISTING BUDDY BOY'S AS WELL, AND THAT WILL REMAIN AS IT IS, BUT THEY ALSO AGAIN WILL PROVIDE CROSS-EASEMENTS.

THIS JUST IS GIVING AUN IDEA OF WHAT THAT AREA KIND OF LOOKS LIKE. I'M LOOKING NORTH ON 13.

I HAVE SOME OTHER PICTURES IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE, THE REQUEST IS FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE FROM RURAL/SILVICULTURE TO RURAL COMMERCIAL AND RURAL COMMERCIAL PROVIDES FOR NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE USES. THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT HAS ADOPTED THOSE SAME REQUIREMENTS. IT DOES ALSO -- IT'S MORE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL.

IT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE GOALS, POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN. THERE IS THE COMPANION PUD THAT DEFINES THE USES, THE SCOPE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AND AGAIN AS WE SAID IS MORE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A SERVICE STATION RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE A GAS STATION.

AND WE REALLY FEEL THAT THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO TAKE THIS ONE NODE AND EXPAND THE COMMERCIAL IN THE AREA FROM THIS NODE.

BUDDY BOY'S HAS SERVED US FOR A LONG TIME AND IT'S BEEN THERE AND MANAGED, AND THE LITTLE HARDWARE AND FEED STORE ALSO, IT'S CRUNCHED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THE BIG HARDWARE STORES THAT HAVE GONE IN AROUND THE AREA, BUT -- AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE ASKING FOR THE PROVISION FOR A FUTURE CHANGE TO DEVELOPMENT, BUT THIS IS GOOD ECONOMIC GROWTH, AND WE DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING. IT WAS A ZOOM COMMUNITY MEETING, NOT MY FAVORITE, BUT WE PROBABLY HAD ABOUT TEN PEOPLE THAT CALLED IN, AND I EVEN TALKED TIE COUPLE OF THE PEOPLE AFTERWARDS, AND EVERYBODY WAS PRETTY HAPPY WITH THE IDEA OF THIS HERE.

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THERE WAS ONE NEIGHBOR THAT HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, AND THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC THAT SHE'S SEEING ALREADY, WHICH IS TYPICAL, BUT ONE OF THE RESPONSES TO THAT, OF COURSE, IS THAT THE COMMERCIAL ACTUALLY GRABS THE TRAFFIC THAT HAS GONE BY AS A GENERAL RULE TO IT.

SO WE'RE HERE TODAY TO CAN ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL TO TRANSMIT THIS TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION, SO WE WOULD LIKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION. AND AGAIN, IT WOULD BE TWO MOTIONS. WE WOULD WANT ONE FOR THE COMP PLAN AMOUNTED AND ONE FOR THE PUD.

-- AMENDMENT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE, WHICH IS IN THE TRARNS MILT, AND THIS MAY BE FOR STAFF.

IN MY BACK RIGHT BEHIND THE APPLICATION I GO -- THERE'S A DOCUMENT CALLED "BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF EXISTING PROPERTY," AND I GO FROM PAGE 1 OF 4 TO PAGE 3 OF 4, ALTHOUGH I DOUBT THERE'S ANYTHING EARTH-SHATTERING ON PAGE 2 OF 4, I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT'S ON PAGE 2 OF 4.

>> I CAN GRAB MINE IF YOU WANT. GENERALLY IT'S THINGS LIKE SOILS, ENVIRONMENTAL INFORMATION.

IT'S BASICALLY DESCRIBING THE SITE IS WHAT THE BRIEF DESCRIPTION, AND THEN WE USUALLY AT THE BOTTOM OF THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I WORK ON. WE KIND OF TELL YOU WHAT THE FUTURE PROPOSAL IS GOING TO BE. I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT.

SKO THAT LEAVES OFF AS TO THE FIRST ONE KIND OF DESCRIBES HOW IT WRAPS AROUND BUDDY BOY'S, AND THIS IS JUSTIFICATION, HOW TO BE PLANNED AND DEVELOPMENT. THE DEVELOPMENT IS A MIXTURE OF USES WITH THE SELF STORAGE FACILITY, RETAIL, HARDWARE, FEED, KIND OF GIVES YOU THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE, THE SHARED ACCESS. THE SECOND PARAGRAPH IS UNDER

THE REQUIREMENT -- >> THAT'S NOT THE PAGE.

THAT'S PAGE 2 OF 24. >> WHICH ONE DON'T YOU HAVE?

3? >> PAGE 2 OF 4 ON SOMETHING CALLED "BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF EXISTING PROPERTY."

IT'S DATED NOVEMBER 12, 2020. >> AND I THINK IT'S PART OF THE COMP PLAN AMOUNTED, NOT AMENDMENT, NOT THE PUD.

>> IT IS. I'M READING FROM THE WRONG ONE.

>> I WAS READING THAT AS FAST AS I COULD.

>> PAGE 1, BRIEF DESCRIPTION. GOT YOU.

YOU WANTED 2 AND 3? >> 2 IS ALL WE NEED.

FOR SOME REASON -- >> SO 2 KIND COMES ON WHEN IT'S TALKING ABOUT COUNTY ROAD 13 FRONTAGE, THE AGRICULTURE LANDS, THE HOMES TO THE REST, THE 100 ACRES OWNED BY THE FORTH SHORE LAND TRUST THAT MAKES UP PART OF THAT SIX MILE CREEK CORRIDOR, THE OTHER PLUME, THAT DESIGNATION THAT I EXPLAINED TO YOU, AND THE OTHER ZONING, THE PSDS AND THAT.

THEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL, AND I DO HAVE A COPY OF THAT REPORT AVAILABLE WITH ME, AND I ALSO HAVE THE MAP FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL ON THE POWERPOINT IF NEEDED.

>> THAT'S GOOD. I'M GOOD WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT, BUT WE DO NEED TO INCLUDE A COPY OF THAT IN THE RECORD, I WOULD

THINK. >> YES, THANK YOU.

I DIDN'T NOTICE. >> IT WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

DR. HILSENBECK. >> I DO.

KAREN, I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH

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JOHNS COUNTY WAS TO TRY TO GO BACKWARDS IN TERMS OF SEPTIC TANKS, NOT GO FORWARD WITH MORE SEPTIC TANKS.

>> DR. MCCORMICK, LET ME GET ROD MATTHEW TOSS COME UP BECAUSE WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME AND SPENT TIME WITH THE DOCUMENT.

IT'S MORE CONSIDERED A PACKAGE PLANT THAN A SEPTIC BUT, YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. THERE ARE NO LINES.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RUN LINES OUT THERE AND WE ALSO HAVE FIRE

TO DEAL WITH AS WELL. >> ROBB MATTHEW WITNESS MATTHEWS

DESIGN GROUP 7 WALDO STREET. >> I CAN'T HEAR.

>> YOU ROBB MATTHEWS, MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP, 7 WALDO STREET.

YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. THE COUNTY GOAL IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER, BUT THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THEIR AREA WHERE THERE ARE NO EXTENSIONS.

WE'VE WORKED A COUPLE SITES IN THIS AREA.

IT'S IN THEIR LONG RANGE PLAN TO EVENTUALLY GET OUT HERE, BUT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO HAVE WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEM, SO THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO DO DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT THAT.

>> DR. HILSENBECK? >> I'M GLAD THAT THE CHAIR BROUGHT UP THE MISSING PAGE BECAUSE ON THERE THE BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY, IT SAYS THAT THERE ARE SCATTERED SPECIES ON THERE, OAK SPECIES, QUESTIONERKU SPECIES AND PALMETTO. IT'S CLEAR FROM THE PHOTOS THAT YOU SHOWED OF THE SITE, PARTICULARLY WHERE THE LITTLE HOUSE IS AND THE GARAGE THEY WANT TO KEEP ON THAT SOUTHEASTERN CORNER, THAT IS INTACT OR MARGINALLY INTACT SAND TILL VEGETATION. THOSE ARE TURKEY OAKS QUIRKUS LEAVE YURS ON THERE AND THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITY WITHIN -- SO THOSE ARE ALL TURKEY OAKS.

SOME PEOPLE CALL THEM BLACKJACK OAKS BUT THAT'S REALLY A DIFFERENT SPECIES. OH, YOU PASSED THEM.

YOUR PHOTOS WENT ON. BUT 10% OF THAT AREA STHEN GOING TO IS THEN GOING TO NEED TO BE PRESERVED ACCORDING TO COUNTY

RULES, SO WHAT IS YA'LL'S PLAN? >> OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT DID NOT IDENTIFY THAT IT WAY BECAUSE ALL THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN USED FOR RETAIL FOR SO MANY YEARS, SO THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN YOUR PACKAGE BUT IT WASN'T. SO THERE IS NOT ANY SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITY HABITAT. THERE'S CERTAINLY THE WETLAND AREAS, BUT NOT IN THEIR, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT AND DID I

NOT BRING THEM TODAY WITH ME. >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO JUST SHOWING WHERE THAT LITTLE HOUSE IS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THE GARAGE. AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE SITE'S BEEN USED FOR YEARS AS A COMMERCIAL OR -- A COMMERCIAL

SITE. >> YEAH, HE'S GOT --

>> I UNDERSTAND. >> AND THERE'S THE MULCH AND EVERYTHING. SO THAT'S KIND GOING TO GO PROBABLY RIGHT INTO THAT WETLAND FOREST MIX THERE.

>> I'M NOT AS CONCERN FOR THIS ABOUT THE WETLANDS FRANKLY YOU'RE GOING TO SCOIRCH CONE THOSE.

>> THE GREEN AREA, THE WETLAND/FOREST MIX.

>> I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT AREA OF SAND HILL, SO COULD YOU SHOW THOSE PHOTOS OF WHERE THE LITTLE HOUSE IS AND THE GARAGE. COULD YOU BACK UP, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. THAT THAT SAND HILL, THOSE ARE TURKEY OAKS OR BLACKJACK OAKS, AS SOME PEOPLE CALL THEM, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR A WHILE, BUT YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT SHOULD HAVE STATED WHAT SPECIES THOSE WERE BECAUSE THAT IS CLEARLY, THOSER QUERKUS LEAVEUS TURKEY OAKS OR BLACKJACK OAKS.

I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO GET OUT THERE THIS WEEK.

I WAS TOO BUSY THIS WEEK TO DRIVE OUT THERE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF 10% OF THAT AREA NEEDS TO BE CONSERVED OR NOT BUT THAT WOULD IN MY OPINION BE MARGINALLY, AND I AM AN EXPERT IN THIS, SO THAT WOULD BE MARGINALLY SAND HILL COMMUNITY,

AND THAT WOULD BE REQUIRE 10%. >> THE COUNTY DID NOT IDENTIFY

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THIS WILL BE ACTUALLY, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T SHOW IT'S A THE 10%, THAT FALLS WITHIN THE 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE OF THE

SITE. >> I UNDERSTAND THE LITTLE GARAGE STICKS INTO THAT, AND THAT'S FINE WITH ME AS WELL.

>> YES, BUT IT'S RIGHT ACTUALLY -- THIS BICKER IS BEYOND THAT, ACTUALLY -- THIS PICTURE IS BEYOND THAT, ACTUALLY. SO KIND OF SHOWING YOU, AND I THOUGHT I BROUGHT THE OTHER PICTURE ALONG.

>> SO WOULD THERE BE 10% OF THAT KIND OF VEGETATION AROUND THE HOUSE CONSERVED ALONG WITH THE HOUSE? I'M SURE THEY ENJOY THAT KIND OF VEGETATION.

THEY'RE HERE. >> THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT OR WHATEVER, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S NO DEFINED AREA TO DO THAT, SO MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO GET WITH ME INDEPENDENTLY OR WHATEVER OR THE COUNTY STAFF, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY DID NOT PICK IT UP AS BEING THAT, EITHER, AND WHAT HE DOES SAY IS THAT IT'S THE MIXED CANOPY, THAT WHOLE GREEN AREA AS WE WERE LOOKING AT, AND SO THAT INCLUDES SLASH PINE.

HUHN HOLE, LOB LOWELL PAY, WET MAPLE.

>> THAT'S THE WET GLNLD I'M SORRY.

SCATTERED PINE POND CYPRESS. AND THOSE.

SO THE OTHER ONE IS JUST BECAUSE OF THE BUSINESS.

HE HAS IS ON THE SCATTERED OAKS, SAW PALMETTO.

>> I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT UPON YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT TO IDENTIFY THOSE TREES PROPERLY.

>> AND -- >> BECAUSE THAT'S AN INDICATOR SPECIES FOR SAND HILL VEGETATION, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITY IN THIS COUNTY, SO THAT'S MY POINT. I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS, SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THIS

OUT. >> I WILL GET WITH MR. CARTER BEFORE I GET TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION TO SEE IF I NEED TO

REVISE ANYTHING. >> THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. >> REPORT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO SPEAKER CARDS.

THEN WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

AND I GUESS WE'LL TAKE EACH ITEM UP SEPARATELY ON THE MOTIONS.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CPA 2020- 2020-07 SIX MILE CREEK OUTPOST ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> SECOND BY MR. MILLER. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S RECORD THE VOTE.

THAT ITEM IS APPROVED. NOW LET'S MOVE ON TO THE

ZONING. >> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 202121-0 II SIX MILE CREEK OUTPOST BASED ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT AS FLIFTD STAFF REPORT.

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>> MOTION BY IN PERKS. IS THERE A SECOND.

SECOND BRI MR. MILLER. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S RECORD THE VOTE.

THANK YOU, DEBBIE. AND THAT PASSES ALSO.

CONGRATULATIONS. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S MOVE ON TO MS. SMITH AND ADLER CREEK, AND THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT SO WE DON'T HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION [INAUDIBLE]

>> IT'S NOT ON. >> YOUR MIC'S NOT ON.

>> HELLO. >> THAT'S BETTER.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS.

FOR THE RECORD ELLEN AVERY-SMITH, ROARNS TOWERS, 100 WETSTONE PLACE IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

WITH ME TODAY AND EVEN LISTENING ON TV, FROM EASTLAND DEVELOPMENT ART LANCASTER AND JOHN DODD SON.

ART UNFORTUNATELY HAS BEEN AROUND SOMEBODY WHO TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID, SO IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION HE IS LISTENING ON GOVERNMENT TV, AND IF WE NEED HIM WE'LL JUST CALL HIM ON THE PHONE, BUT HOPEFULLY WE WON'T NEED HIM.

AND ALSO RAJ AND DELAR WHO IS OUR PROJECT TRACK OF ENGINEER.

SO JUST GOING THROUGH AGAIN, THIS IS A LARGE SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION.

THIS IS THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING=.

AND IT'S FOR PROPERTY THAT IS LOCATED EAST OF PACETTI ROAD.

YOU SEE IT'S ABOUT 733 ACRES HERE BETWEEN PACETTI ROAD, STATE ROAD 16 AND NORTH OF COUNTY ROAD 208 IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR OF

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IT IS THE ONLY ITION J. JUDGES DRI TO FIX THAT BUT THAT IS' LONG WAY OFF SOS THIS IS TO PROVIDE THAT INTERIM SOLUTION FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE SOUTH END OF PACETTI ROAD AND ALSO ON COUNTY ROAD GO 208. AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE DEDICATION OF AN 100-ACRE PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL SITE TO THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOLBOARD. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERALL VIEW, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS RURAL/SILVICULTURE.

THIS IS THE LITTLE SLIVER THAT IS PARKS AND RECREATION.

MRS. PACETTI HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY, THE PACETTI FAMILY, FOR A LONG TIME, DECADES, AND SO THIS IS THE COUNTY'S.

THE COUNTY HAS NOT ONLY THE TURNBULL REGIONAL PARK BUT ALSO THE TURNBULL REASONABLE OFF-SITE MITIGATION AREA WHICH IS CALLED A ROMA IN VERNACULAR. IT'S A WETLAND MITIGATION BANK REALLY FOR THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE MITIGATION FOR WETLAND IMPACTS FROM COUNTY ROADS AND OTHER PROJECTS.

SO THE IDEA -- THIS IS SCAFF ROAD WHICH WE'RE ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN A FEW MINUTES, AND THE COUNTY USES SCAFF ROAD TO ACCESS THE ROMA. WELL, MR. PACETTI OWNS THE LAND BETWEEN SCAFF ROAD AND THE ROMA, SO HE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO SWITCH PROPERTIES WITH THE COUNTY TO ALLOW THEM TO ACCESS DIRECTLY INTO THEIR PROPERTY FROM SCAFF ROAD.

THIS IS JUST THE RESULTING PIECE THAT STILL HAS THE PARKS AND RECREATION FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

SO THAT'S THE HISTORY OF THAT LITTLE SNIPPET, IF YOU WILL.

THIS IS -- I'M LETTERS GOING TO GO BACK TO THE POINT -- ALSO GOING TO GO BACK TO THE POINT THAT YOU SEE THE ST. JOHNS DRI OVER HERE AND THERE ARE A VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES. YOU ALSO SEE THIS RESIDENTIAL C IN THIS POD AS WELL AS GRAND OAKS IS ALL RESIDENTIAL C YOU.

SEE RESIDENTIAL B AND A. THIS AREA HERE THAT'S RURAL/SILVICULTURE IS THE STAR 4 MITIGATION BANK SO THAT WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED BUT YOU'VE GOT THIS WETLAND CORRIDOR, THE ROMA, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT TURNBULL CREEK.

YOU'VE TO THE STAR 4. THERE ARE SOME OTHER WETLAND MITIGATION BANKS TO THE SOUTH THAT PROVIDE THIS CONTINUOUS WETLAND SYSTEM, IF YOU WILL, DOWN TO TURNBULL CREEK AREA AND TO THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY, AND SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE CONSERVATION FUTURE LAND USE EDITION DESIGNATION, IS TO D OF KEEP THAT TREND GOING FORWARD.

SO THE PROPOSAL IS AGAIN THE RESIDENTIAL C LAND USE ON THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS GRAND LAKE, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A FEW MINUTES. THERE ARE ALSO SOME RESIDENCES DOWN HERE THAT WE'LL ALSO TAK ABOUT IN SCAFF ROAD.

YOU SEE THAT PROPOSED 100 ACRES OF LAND USE.

YOU SEE THE WETLAND SYSTEM OF TURNBULL CREEK THAT COMES DOWN THROUGH THIS AREA. SO THAT'S THE IDEA OF THE PRESERVING THAT WETLAND STRAND AND NOT TOUCHING IT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PROJECT. AND SPEAKING OF ROADS, SO PART OF YOUR CHARGE AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION'S CHARGE IN ANALYZING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION THAT CHASING FROM RURAL/SILVICULTURE TO SOMETHING DEVELOPMENT IS PUBLIC BENEFIT.

AND SO ONE OF THE PUBLIC BENEFITS OF THIS PROJECT IS YOU SEE STATE ROAD 16. WE'VE ALL HEARD FROM TORRES PART OF COUNTY REED 2209 ASK CONSTRUCTED, UP TO 9B.

THE THE YOU COUNTY'LL TALLY OWNS RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR 2209 THAT COMES THROUGH WAY THROUGH THE COUNTY ROMA, AND THEN IT GOES INTO STAR 4. MITIGATION BANK.

AND THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY A RIDER THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FROM STAR 4 TO GET DOWN -- TO GET THE ROAD DOWN TO 208.

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AND IT'S ON THE WAS SIDE OF UNDER THE BULL CREEK.

I'M SORRY. THE EAST SIDE OF TURN BULLY BULL CREEK. SO IN ORDER FOR THIS PROJECT TO GET ACCESS, THE PROPOSAL IS TO BUILD ONE MILE OF COUNTY ROAD 2209, BUT THAT'S THE PUBLIC ROAD, THEN TO BUILD THE ROAD THAT'S GOING TO BE CALLED ADLER CREEK PARKWAY FROM COUNTY ROAD 2209 THROUGH THE COUNTY PROPERTY, AND THIS WILL BE AT THE DEVELOPER'S EX EXPERNTION THE DEVELOPER WILL PAY THE WETLAND MITIGATION. THEY'VE ALREADY RESERVED CREDITS IN A MITIGATION BANK TO PROVIDE FOR THAT.

BUILD THE ROAD THROUGH THIS AREA, AND THEN THROUGH WHAT'S THE PACETTI PROPERTY, THE ADLER CREEK PROJECT AND A TWO-LANE CONFIGURATION AND CONNECT DOWN HERE TO PACETTI VEED THAT THAT'S THE RELIEVER ROAD. PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA CAN THEN CUT THIS WAY. THIS WILL BE A COLLECTOR ROAD SO NO DRIVEWAYS WILL FRONT ON THIS ROAD SO THAT PEOPLE CAN FREE FLOW TRAFFIC FROM ADLER CREEK PARKWAY TO 2209 TO 16 AND GOES HE IS OR I-FLIEF OR WHENEVER CHR DIRECTION THIS WANT.

THE THE COST OF THAT ROAD TO CONSTRUCTION IS APPROXIMATELY $22 MILLION. THE DEVELOPER WILL PAY ALL OF THAT MONEY AND WILL BEAR THE RISK THAT THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION COSTS INCREASE, WHATEVER IT IS COSTS TO BUILD THE ROAD, THAT THREE MILES, THE DEVELOPER WILL PAY FOR.

THAT'S PART OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION. YOU'VE SEEN IN THE APPLICATION PACKAGE THAT THERE ARE SOME IMPACTED ROADS BY THIS PROJECT.

THAT ANALYSIS. AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT, MR. SHINGLAR IS HERE, BUT THE MITIGATION FOR THOSE IMPACTS, THOSE PERCENTAGE OF IMPACTS TO EXISTING COUNTY ROADS IS MITIGATED BY THIS $22 MILLION, I'M GOING TO CALL AT A PIPELINE, A PUBLIC ROAD TO PROVIDE RELIEVER STAT TO US PACETTI ROAD TO MAKE TRAFFIC FLOW BETTER IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTY.

THEN AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL, THIS PROPERTY IS ABOUT 100 ACRES.

IT TOUCHES STATE ROAD 16 SO THERE'S ACCESS ALL RIGHT TO THE SCHOOL SITE P. THEN WHEN COUNTY ROAD 2209 IS DRUCTD DOWN THIS WAY THROUGH STAR 4 AND BECOME OUT TO COUNTY ROAD 208 IN THE FUTURE, THAT THAT HIGH SCHOOL SITE CAN ALSO HAVE ACCESS FROM 2209, AND SO THAT -- WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT THIS.

THEY DO LIKE THE SITE. THEY ARE CONSIDERING ON THE ORDER I GUESS OF PROVIDING HIGH SCHOOL SITES.

WE ALL KNOW THERE'S A HIGH SCHOOL COMING ONLINE IN ABOUT ONE MONTH OR TWO MS., RIGHT, DR. MCCORMICK, OUT ON INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. I THINK THE SCHOOL BOARD IS ALREADY CONSIDERING THE DESIGNING OF THE TWIN CREEKS HIGH SCHOOL THIS WILL BE TO THE WEST OF I-I-95 AND ONE MORE HIGH SCHOOL AT SILVER LEAF. SO THIS IS ANOTHER HIGH SCHOOL SITE FOR THE FUTURE. IF THE SCHOOL BOARD CHOOSES, DECIDES THAT IT IS WANTS IT. SO THAT OFFER IS ON THE TABLE.

WE'RE JUST WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT THAT.

HERE'S THE PRELIMINARY CONCEPT PLAN.

THIS JUST SHOWS THE ADLER CREEK PROJECT ITSELF, BUT THE ROAD WILL CONTINUE OFF ADLER CREEK THROUGH THE COUNTY'S ROMA AND THE REGIONAL PARK AND UP TO -- OR OUT TO 2209 TO 16, BUT YOU SEE HERE THIS ACCESS POINT TO PACETTI ROAD, I'M GOING TO POINTED OUT HERE BECAUSE I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF THE FOLKS FROM SCAFF ROAD IN THE AUDIENCE, THERE IS NO CONNECTION POINT TO SCAFF ROAD NOR WILL THERE BE A CONNECTION TO SCAFF RODE.

WIDE NEEGHT AND MR. LANCASTER PROMISED THE RESIDENTS THAT THAT CONNECTION WOULD NOT OCCUR, AND YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP IT WON'T OCCUR. IN THE COMPANION PUD WHICH WILL BE FORTHCOMING AFTER TRANSMITTAL, WE CAN WE WILL MAKE SURE THE PUD SAYS THERE WILL BE NO CONNECTION TO SCAFF ROAD.

THEN YOU CAN SEE FLS ALIGNMENT OF THE CONNECTOR ROAD GOING THROUGH. YOU SEE AGAIN THE PRESERVED WETLAND SYSTEM FOR TURNBULL CREEK, AND IT'S A CONTINUOUS LINE. SO SOME OF THIS LAND IS WETLAND AND SOME OF IT IS UPLAND BUT YOU GET THE IDEA.

THAT WE'RE ALSO, AND I WON'T POINT ON-TO-THEM ON THE MAP ALTHOUGH YOU CAN SEE THEM, SOME ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES ON THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE PRESERVED.

WE'VE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY BE IN PRESERVATION AREAS AND WILL NOT BE IMPACTED AT ALL. SO -- AND THAT DETAIL LLTS BE SHOWN ON THE OAT PLASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PUD.

UNFORTUNATE SOME OF THE PUBLIC BENEFITS JUST FOR THE PROJECT WE'VE BALKED, THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE MILE OF COUNTY ROAD 2209, THE CONSTRUCTION OF ABOUT THREE MILES OF AQUA CREEK PRARK WAY FROM 2209 DOWN TO PACETTI ROAD. THAT CONSTRUCTION WILL OCCUR FROM NORTH TO SOUTH. SO COUNTY ROAD 2209 AND ADLER

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THE DEDICATION OF THE 100-ACRE PUBLIC SCHOOL SITE, A COMMITMENT TO IMPROVE TO COUNTY'S EXISTING WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.

IT NEEDS TO BE LOOPED INTO THIS AREA BECAUSE THERE'S LOW WATER PRESSURE DOWN TOWARD 288. SO WATER AND -- 208.

SO WATER AND DISTRIBUTION WILL BE LOOPED TO IMPROVE FEWER FLOW AND WATER OF PRESSURE FOR THOSE PEOPLE.

WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ADLER CREEK PARKWAY, THERE WILL BE A MULTI-PURPOSE PATH ALONG ONE SIDE SO PEOPLE CAN WALK, WIECK, WHATEVER FOR THEIR RECREATION DOWN THAT ENTIRETY OF THE ROAD.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE PRESERVATION OF THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES THAT ARE SHOWN WHO THE MAP. THE PRESERVATION OF APPROXIMATELY 220 ACRES OF WETLAND, INCLUDING THAT TURNBULL CREEK WETLAND SYSTEM AND UPLAND SYSTEM.

THE PRESERVATION OF APPROXIMATELY 100 ACRES OF FLOODPLAIN, AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT FLOODING IN JUST A MINUTE IN THIS AREA. A COMMITMENT TO WATER CONSERVATION. AND, DR. HILSENBECK, TO YOUR POINT ON AN EARLIER APPLICATION, IF THERE'S SEERIC OAK HAMMOCK, THAT WILL BE PRESERVED PURSUANT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THAT WILL BE DOCUMENTED IN THE PUD.

AND PROPERTY TAXES OBVIOUSLY THAT WILL BE GENERATED BY THIS PROJECT WILL HELP OFFSET THE PUBLIC COST FOR SERVICE TO THE NEWER RESIDENTS. WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING ON JUNE 24TH, AND ACTUALLY IT WAS A VERY CONSTRUCTIVE MEETING.

WE HAD ABOUT 35 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE, AND THEN IN PERSON AND A FEW ON ZOOM. WE TALKED ABOUT TRACK OF AND THE ROADWAY CONNECTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WE WENT OVER A NEW MINUTES AGO. WE AGAIN TALKED ABOUT NO CONNECTION TO SCAFF ROAD WHICH WE PROMISED THE RESIDENTS.

ALSO WEEK SOME FOLKS FROM GRAND LAKES WERE THERE AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT BUFFERING. I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO MY MAP.

GRAND LAKES IS RIGHT HERE. AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE A 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGES ON THEIR SIDE OF THE LINE, AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE A 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE ON OUR SIDE OF THE LINE, AND SINCE THAT MEETING EASTLAND HAS DETERMINED THAT THEY WILL PROPOSE, THEY WILL PROVIDE A 50-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE ON THEIR SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY LINE, SO THE PEOPLE IN GRAND LAKES WILL NOW HAVE 85 FEET BETWEEN THEIR HOMES AND ANY HOMES IN ADLER CREEK ALONG THIS AREA. I'M PUTTING THAT ON THE RECORD TODAY, BY TAMPA THE WAY. WE TALKED ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL SITE AND THE NEED FOR THAT. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE BUFFERING AND SCREENING BETWEEN.

SO THE BUFFER WILL BE INCREASED THE SCREENING.

IF THERE IS NO VEGETATION BETWEEN THAT DEVELOPMENT EDGE BETWEEN ADLER CREEK AND GRAND LAKES, VEGETATION WILL BE PLANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE IS SOME KIND OF SCREENING BETWEEN ADLER CREEK AND GRAND LAKES. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS DRAINAGE, AND SOME OF THE FOX ALONG SCAFF ROAD PARTICULARLY, THOSE WHO BACK UP TO -- THIS IS SCAFF ROAD AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE HOSE FARMS WHO HAVE THESE TRACTS ALONG SCAFF ROAD& ONE OF THE LADIES WHO LIVES IN THIS AREA MENTIONED THE FACT THAT SOMETIMES SHE GETS WATER IN HER BACKYARD, AND SO THE DEVELOPER, MR. LANCASTER TOLD HER THAT HE WILL WORK WITH HER TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ALLEVIATE THAT DRAINAGE ISSUE AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF ADLER CREEK, AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER COMMITMENT THAT WE WILL MAKE WHEN IT COMES TO PUD TIME, BUT WE WILL ALSO SAY IT FOR THE RECORD TODAY AT THIS HEARING.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT WE'VE HAD TO SAY AND PLEASE RECOMMEND TRANSMITTAL OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT, AND THERE'S A GOOD CONTINUATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT TREND IN THIS AREA, BALANCING A GOOD OFFSET AND PRESERVATION OF 130 ACRES OF THE WETLAND SYSTEM ASSOCIATED WITH TURNBULL CREEK THAT TIES INTO DIRECTLY ALL THE WAY FROM 12 MILES SWAMP DOWN THROUGH AND DOWN TO THE JNS RIVER, AND THAT WOULD ALSO BE A WILDLIFE CORRIDOR.

ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER AND THEN COME BACK AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE PUBLIC MIGHT HAVE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> WELL, I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. I'LL TRY TO HOLD THE COMMENTS UNTIL AFTER THE QUESTION SECTION BECAUSE THERE WAGS A GOOD POINT MADE A MONTH OR SO AGO. BUT WHEN I SPOKE TO YOU ON THE PHONE, AND I DON'T NEED TO DISCLOSE THAT, I DID TELL YOU I WAS ON THE FENCE ABOUT VOTING FOR THIS PROJECT, THAT I SAW A LOT OF GOOD THINGS IN THE PROJECT, AND SO I'M STILL ON THE

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DEPENDS ON YOUR ANSWER TO SOME QUESTIONS.

BUT THIS IS PRETTY GOOD. IT'S NOT ASKING FOR REALLY LARGE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT OR RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL, SO -- AND I'LL GO OVER SOME GOOD THINGS I SEE ABOUT IT AS WELL AS SOME THINGS THAT I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE ABOUT IT.

BUT NUMBER ONE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THESE QUESTIONS OR NOT -- YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS EARLIER PROJECT -- BUT I NOTICED BACK START, AROUND PAGE 150 IN THE APPLICATION IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT STATED THIS PROPERTY WAS THE SUBJECT OF AN EARLIER DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL BY D.R. HORTON CALLED SEEM CHASE AND THAT THAT WAS LATER STN SEEM CHASE AND THAT THAT WAS LATER WITHDRAWN AFTER REVIEW BY THREE AGENCY. CAN YOU, IF YOU WERE INVOLVED YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION AUTHORITATIVELY, WHY WAS THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT WITHDRAWN?

>> I WAS INVOLVED, AND I WILL TELL YOU THE ANSWER.

>> OKAY. >> SO A COUPLE OF THINGS.

WHEN THAT PROJECT STARTED OUT, THIS IS WHY YOU LEARN YOUR LESSONS GRUR PAST, WHEN THAT PROJECT STARTED OUT, IT PROPOSED THE CONNECTION TO SCAFF ROAD, WHICH WAS EVENTUALLY TAKEN OUT DURING THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.

ANOTHER THING IS THEY WERE PROPOSING A HIGH SCHOOL SITE WERENT HUNDRED ACRES THAT WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.

AND NOBODY IN THIS AREA LIKED THE IDEA OF HAVING A 100-ACRE HIGH SCHOOL SITE RIGHT HERE. SO THAT RAISED A LOT OF IRE FROM THIS ENTIRE AREA. ALSO, THAT DEVELOPMENT, YOU SEE THIS ALIGNMENT OF 2209 THAT COMES THROUGH RIGHT HERE? THIS AREA WAS PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THAT PLAN.

SO IT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED A CROSSING OF TURNBULL CREEK OR -- FOR UTILITIES, IF NOTHING ELSE, AND THEN WAITING UNTIL 2209 CAME THROUGH FOR ACCESS OR GOING THROUGH 208, WHICH THE PROPERTY IS NOT CONTIGUOUS TO. ANOTHER THING IS IT PROPOSED THE ONLY ACCESS TO THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT, NOT ONLY FROM SCAFF ROAD, WHICH EVENTUALLY WAS TAKEN OFF THE TABLE, LEAVING THE ONLY ACCESS ON PACETTI ROAD AND THE THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE WAS NOT ENOUGH MITIGATION FROM THAT PROJECT WAS NOT ENOUGH TO FIXED PACETTI ROAD, WHICH YOU WILL A NO CURVES.

IT'S A TWO-LANE CURVEY ROAD, HAS A SOMEWHAT DANGEROUS CURVE NIPT AND SO IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO FIX SCAFF ROAD -- I'M SORRY -- PA SET ROAD. IT JUST WASN'T FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. THAT'S WHY EASTND NOW TOOK THOSE LESSONS AND SAID, WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE -- WE WANT TO PROPOSE BUILDING THIS PORTION OF 2209 FOR THE PUBLIC AND THEN BUILDINGS THIS ROAD TO ALLEVIATE CONGESTION ON SCAFF ROAD BECAUSE AS I SAID EARLIER THE ST. JOHNS DRI HAS THE OBLIGATION TO IMPROVE SCAFF ROAD, TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THE ROAD AND IMPROVE THE TWO-LANE BUT NO ONE HAS THE OBLIGATION TO FOUR-LANE GO PACETTI ROAD. THIS IS THE RELIEVE ROAD, IF YOU WILL, TO PACETTI ROAD TO GET PEOPLE OFF PACETTI ROAD TO HOPEFULLY HELP THAT INTERSECTION AT PACETTI, IGP AND STATE ROAD 16. AND THE EASTLAND TEAM HAS HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNTY TRANSPORTATION STAFF ABOUT

THIS. >> GOOD ANSWER.

AS USUAL, GOOD ANSWER. MY NEXT QUESTION IS GOING TO BE WITH THE ROAD THERE CALLED ADLER CREEK PARKWAY THAT CONNECTS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, GOES THROUGH AT THE DEVELOPMENT, CONNECTS TO IT UP TO THE PORTION OF COUNTY ROAD 2209 THAT CALL PROPOSE TO BUILD, AND I THINK THAT IS A NICE BENEFIT, BUT THAT ROAD, THE ADLER CREEK PARKWAY GOES RIGHT THROUGH THAT CONSERVATION LAND.

IS THAT ON ANYONE'S PLANNING BOOKS, IRNZ HORIZON, DISCUSSION? THAT IS CONSERVATION LAND, AND TO PUT A ROAD RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT IS ONE OF THE WORST THINGS I CAN THINK OF, AND IT'S NOTE THE FOXES AND THE DEER AND BOBCATS AND OWLS OUT THERE THAT ARE CAUSING THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, SO TO HAVE THAT ROAD GO RIGHT THROUGH THAT CONSERVATION LAND, INCLUDING A LOT OF WETLANDS, TO ME IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I LIKE AT ALL, SO CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT.

IS THAT ON THE BOOKS SOMEWHERE, FLORIDA DOT, THE COUNTY? JUVE TALKED ABOUT 2209 GOING BACK EAST OF THERE AND SAIDING HOWTH SOUTH IS ON FOUR STAR BUT RIGHT THROUGH THAT OTHER

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PROPERTY? >> FIRST OF ALL, AND THIS DISCUSSION WENT BETWEEN OUR PROJECT ENVIRONMENTAL TEAM AND THE COUNTY'S ENVIRONMENTAL TEAM. SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT PORTION. BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ANY ALIGNMENT THAT GOES THROUGH THIS PROPERTY HAS WETLAND IMPACTS. FOR COUNTY ROAD 2209 AS WELL AS ADLER CREEK. I CAN TELL THAT YOU EASTLAND WILL PAY FOR ALL THE MITIGATION AND DESIGN THE ROAD AS I WILL CALL IT ECOLOGICALLY FRIENDLY. I KNOW YOU THINK THAT'S AN OXYMORON. BUT AS IT CAN BE.

BUT THE POINT, THEY WILL WORK WITH THE COUNTY STAFF.

THE COUNTY WILL BE OUT OF POCKET ZERO DOLLARS FOR MITIGATION THAT'S REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT THAT ROAD.

THAT'S THE BEST I CAN TELL YOU TODAY WITHOUT JASON OR ART BEING

HERE. >> OKAY.

AND I AM NOT -- I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE WETLANDS BUT NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE WETLANDS AS I AM ABOUT PRETTY GROSS HABITAT FRAGMENTATION OF THAT CONSERVATION LAND.

I MEAN, TO PUT A ROAD RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT, THAT IS HABITAT FRAGMENTATION, IT'S IKE LOGICAL DAMAGING.

THERE ARE IKE LOGIC ARTIFACTS THAT ARE INTERRUPTED.

THERE'S INTERRUPTION OF SHEET THROW.

THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT WHEN YOU PUT A ROAD THROUGH CONSERVATION LAND, IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOTE COPACETIC WITH HAVING CONSERVATION LAND. IT DOESN'T MESH.

>> RIGHTED. AND A COUPLE OF NOTES ON THAT.

ONE IS I DO BELIEVE THAT THE COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CALLS FOR WILDLIFE CROSSINGS AND DIFFERENT STRUCTURES, IF YOU WILL, TO ALLOW CRITTERS -- I CALL THEM CRITTERS -- WHICH ARE LOVELY, TO CROSS THE ROAD, BUT ANOTHER THING, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THIS IS ACTUALLY THE MAIN STRAND OF TURNBULL CREEK. YOU SHE WETLAND SYSTEM? THAT'S TURNBULL CREEK. AND SO PART OF THIS IDEA IS YOU'VE GOT TURNBULL CREEK FLOWING DOWN THROUGH HERE.

YOU SEE THE WETLAND. THIS PROJECT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO SAVE THIS PORTION AND NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT TO THAT SECTION OF TURNBULL CREEK. SO THAT'S PART OF THE OFFSET IS YOU'VE GOT TURNBULL CREEK WHICH WILL THEN ACT AS YOUR WILDLIFE CORRIDOR TO HELP AMELIORATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS YOU'RE TALKING

ABOUT RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY.

AND I'M ALL FOR THE CONSERVATION OF WENT, BUT I'M LETTERS FOR AND I'M STRONGLY AGAINST FRAGMENTATION OF HABITAT, UPLAND AND WETLAND HABITAT OF CONSERVATION LANDS WHICH IS RIGHT THERE. I MEAN, WHEN THE CAR CONDOS WERE PROPOSED A FEW MONTHS BACK, ONE-YEAR PROJECT UP ON STATE ROAD 16, I WAS CONCERNED THAT THOSE WERE GOING BACK UP TO THIS CONSERVATION AREA IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT TO PUT A ROAD RIGHT THROUGH THERE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE APPARENTLY A PRETTY HEAVILY UTILIZED ROAD FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING -- IT'S DESIGNED TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC THAT FAISKT, UP TO 16 AND SO FORTH, THAT'S JUST DURVE ANIMALS KILLED ON THERE EVEN WITH WILDLIFE UNDERPASSES, AND THOSE AREY EXPENSIVE, AND I'M SURE EASTLAND KNOWS THAT, BUT THAT IS A CONCERN TO ME.

AND I DO APPLAUD, I THINK THIS IS A MUCH BETTER DESIGN THAN WHAT YOU DESCRIBED FOR SEEM CHASE.

THERE'S STEEPEL CHASE. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

LET ME ASK ABOUT THAT VERY NORTHEASTERN CORNER OF YA'LL'S PROPERTY, THAT VERY LITTLE NORTHEASTERN UPLAND AREA ON THE OTHER SIDE, EAST SIDE OF TURNBULL CREEK, WHAT'S THE FATE OF THAT GOING TO BE? WHY NOT JUST INCLUDE THAT IN THE

CONSERVATION? >> THIS LITTLE AREA?

>> YES. >> SO I MENTIONED TO YOU STAR 4

MITIGATION BANK. >> YES.

>> THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THIS PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE GO TO THAT MITIGATION BANK, TO GO TO THAT OWNER.

>> AH. IT WOULD.

OKAY. >> SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY DEVELOPMENT. YOU SEE THIS AREA? ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE WEST -- OR IS EAST SIDE, I'M SORRY, OF TURNBULL CREEK THAT'S OWNED BY THE PACETTIS, WILL GO TO STAR

4. >> AS GOOD NEWS, IN MY OPINION.

>> AND THE RANCH. I SHOULD SAY THAT.

STAR 4 RANCH AND STAR 4 MITIGATION.

>> ALL OKAY. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF ROAD SEGMENTS THAT ARE IMPACTED, AND I COUNTED, FIRST OF ALL, NINE, AND THEN LIGHTER DOWN IN A PROSSER DOCUMENT WAY BACK IN THE APPLICATION I COUNTED 12 THAT WERE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED. THERE WERE TEN THAT WERE DEFICIENT AND TWO THAT WERE CRITICAL.

BUT IS IT TRUE -- I DID SEE THE STATEMENT THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT. IS GOING TO GENERATE NEARLY

14,000 DAILY TRIPS? >> I DON'T -- MR. SHINGLAR WILL HAVE TO COME AND UP TALK ABOUT THE DAILY TRIPS, BUT I HAVE THE

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STAFF REPORT ON PAGE 1. >> RIGHT.

THAT'S FINE. I'VE GOT IT.

I SAW IT. I READ IT.

>> AND I'M GOING TO GO ON THE RECORDS BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT PROPORTION AT SHARE LAW IS, SO THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE LAW IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHICH IS IN CHAPTER 1 CONSECUTIVE FLORIDA STATUTES IN ESSENCE SAYS IF YOU'RE GOING TO PROPOSE A DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE TO TELL US WHAT ROADS YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS

IMPACTING. >> RIGHT.

>> AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO TELL US WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE IMPACTED ROADS YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, IF YOU WILL.

I'M PARAPHRASING GREATLY. BUT THE IDEA IS IF YOUR PROJECT IMPACTS 10% OF THOSE ROADS, SHOULD PAY 10% OF THE COST OF IMPROVING THOSE ROADS. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE ADVERSE IMPACTS TO NINE DIFFERENT ROADWAY SECTIONS JUST MEANS THAT YOU OWE UNDER THE LAW MONEY TO IMPACT TO THOSE NINE ROADWAY SEGMENTS. OUR PROPOSAL IS, INSTEAD OF GIVING THE COUNTY CASH EQUAL TO OUR PERCENTAGE OF IMPACTS TO THOSE NINE ROADWAY SEGMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A ROAD TO THE TUNE OF $22 MILLION UNDER FODZ NUMBERS, AND IF THAT ROAD IS MORE COSTLY TO BUILD THAN $22 MILLION, WE'LL TAKE THE RISK, VERSUS OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAY, WE'LL JUST GIVE THE COUNTY THE CASH, AND THE COUNTY CAN TAKE THE RISK ABOUT WHETHER THERE ARE COST OVERRUNS ON THE ROAD.

SOS THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THIS IS A BETTER PUBLIC BENEFIT THAN CASH IS ON SOME EXTENT.

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I DO LIKE THAT.

HAVE A COUPLE MORE AFTER THIS. GO AHEAD.

>> YES, SIR. THROUGH THE CHAIR, RAJ, NORTHEAST. 833, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

DR. HILSENBECK, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, THE PROJECT IS GOING TO GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 8,900 TRIPS.

THAT INCLUDES TRAFFIC COMING IN AND LEAVING COMBINED, TOTAL.

>> SO IT IS 14,000 APPROXIMATELY.

>> APPROXIMATELY. >> 14,000 DAILY TRIPS AS THE

IMPACT FROM THIS. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT'S ON A DAILY BASIS, CORRECT.

>> DAILY BASIS, NOT YEARLY. WE NOTED THAT IT WAS DAILY.

FINE. ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS OF MS. AVERY-SMITH.

JUST CONCERNING THE BLUEWAY YOU MENTIONED DOWN TURNBULL CREEK, LOOKING AT THE AERIAL PHOTOS AND ALL, I DON'T SEE A REALLY -- AND I'VE NEVER BEEN BACK IN THERE IN THIS PROPERTY, AND I'M GLAD THAT MR. PACETTI HAS KEPT THIS FOR SO LONG AND UTILIZED I FOR SILVICULTURE AND SO FORTH, BUT IS THERE REALLY A CANOEABLE AND KAYAKABLE CORRIDOR DOWN THERE THAT WOULD FUNCTION AS A RECREATIONAL BLUEWAY DOWN THERE YOU? LOOK AT THE AERIALS OF THE PREVIOUS ITEM WEAVED SIX MILE CREEK. YOU CLEARLY SEE THE WATERWAY THERE AND THAT'S OPEN AND CANOEABLE AND KAYAKABLE, BUT IS THIS AREA REALLY GOING TO PROVIDE THAT TYPE OF RECREATION? THAT'S JUST A QUESTION YOU HAVE

IN MY OWN MIND. >> I DON'T REAL KNOW.

I GUESS WE CAN FIND OUT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T GONE OUT THERE WITH A KAYAK TO FIND OUT, BUT -- SO I DON'T KNOW IF HUMANS CAN GO DOWN

IT, BUT CERTAINLY CRITTERS CAN. >> THEY CAN CANOE AND KAYAK DOWN

THERE? >> YEAH, SURE.

THEY HAVE THEIR OWN THINGS. >> I WANT TO SEE THAT.

PLEASE INVITE ME OUT THERE FOR THAT.

[LAUGHTER] THAT IS FABULOUS.

I AM CONCERNED A LITTLE BIT THAT YOU ALL ARE ASKING FOR RES-C, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SOMEWHAT JUSTIFIED IN THERE.

THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT ARE OF LOWER DENSITY.

FOR EXAMPLE, MURA BELLA AND GRAND CREEK HAVE TWO UNITS PER ACRE. THEY'RE RES-B.

THE THE GRAND OAKS AND TRAIL MARK COME IN AT ABOUT TWO TO THREE UNITS PER ACRE, AND YA'LL ARE ASKING FOR A 3.27 UNITS PER ACRE, AND I DO UNDERSTAND YOU'RE ASKING FOR FAR FEWER NUMBER OF UNITS THAN YOU CAN CALCULATE UNDER THE FORMULA.

YOU'RE COMING IN AT ABOUT A THIRD OF THAT.

SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. BUT YOU'RE STILL AT A HIGHER DENSITY THAN THOSE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT AND/OR UNDER VOONG COMMUNITIES. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MAY BE BECAUSE YOU'RE CONSERVING MORE OF WETLANDS, ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES, 10% OF BOTH SEERIC OAK AND SAND HILL TYPE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITIES, SO AS WELL AS THE 131-ACRE TURNBULL CREEK CORRIDOR, SO I THINK THOSE ARE

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MONEY SOMEWHERE. >> AND IN ADDITION TO THE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE POSITIVE, WE'RE ALSO OFFERING TO PROVIDE A GREATER BUFFER TO THE NEIGHBORS.

WE WILL HELP MAKE THAT MORE COMPATIBLE.

>> YOU PUT THAT ON THE RECORD TODAY.

THAT WAS NOT IN THE POLITICAL. AND THAT 85-FOOT TOTAL BUFFER IS SUBSTANTIAL. I HAVE SOME GENERAL COMMENTS BUT I'M GOING TO WAIT UNTIL LATER FOR THOSE.

THOSE ARE MY ACTUAL QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GOOD ANSWERS. >> ALL RIGHT.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE IN AGENCY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, GHIEF SPEAKER CARDS?

>> WE HAVE FOUR SPEAKER CARDS. MORGAN OLDS.

CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> MORGAN OLDS, 5005 SCAFF ROAD.

I LIVE ON HORSE FARM NEXT TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.

I'VE LIVED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY ALL MY LIFE AND THIS PLOT HAS BEEN A HORSE FARM FOR 30 YEARS. OVER MY TIME LIVING HERE I'VE WATCHED AS THE PACE OF NEW HOMES CONTINUES TO RACE ABOVE INFRASTRUCTURE. MEANWHILE INCREASED DEVELOPMENT DEGRADES THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA.

I'M VERY WERND BTD WHOPPING NUMBER OF HOMES THEY ARE CONSIDERING FORE THIS PROPERTY. RESIDENTIAL C IS 1612 UNITS.

THAT'S RURAL TAU TO THE UPPER WEST WHERE I AM WOOB PART TO THE NORTH, RURAL TO THE EAST AND SOUTH AND ONE OF RESIDENTIAL C THAT IS GRAND LAKE TO THE LOWER WEST.

BACK IN 2017 WHEN REZONING THIS PROPERTY TO RES-B WITH 980 HOMES WAS RESTRICTED, IT WAS SLOATD AGAINST BY PZ A HAS EVER MABS TOO DENSE AND TOO MANY HOMES ALREADY BY DEVELOPMENT.

TO COME BACK AND SUGGEST 268 HOMES WHEN 9 EIGHT -- BAN 2018 PASS POINTED OUT BY TRANSPORTATION STAFF THAT THE CAPACITY OF PACETTI ROAD WILL BE EXCEEDED AS A RESULT OF THE ST.

JOHNS DRI. EVEN ELLEN ARRIVE SMITH SAID WE'RE TRYING TO WORK HARD TO SEE HOW MANY AGE RESTRICTIVE MODELS WE NEED TO THE TO BREAK PACETTI ROAD.

KEEPING UNITS UN980 WAS REQUIRED TO THE NO BREAK PACETTI ROAD.

IT SEEMS QUITE CLEAR THAT THIS SECTION OF THE COUNTY CANNOT SUPPORT THESE ADDITIONAL UNITS. I KNOW THE PROPOSE CLAIMS THAT HAVING THE ADLER CREEK, CORRECT ROAD WILL ENCOURAGE DRIVERS TO BICE THIS EABS OF PACETTI BUT I AM SCEPT DHAFL CLAIM INCLUDING MOST REASONS OF PACETTI DO NOT ORIGINATE IN OR BELOW THE TRANS ENTRANCES TOTE PROPOSED ADLER CREEK SO THE LIKELIHOOD THAT DRIVERS WOULD GO SOUTH OUT OF THEIR WAY AND US MAKE THREE ADDITIONAL TURNS WHEN THE MAJORITY OF TO SHOPPING TO TO GO 95 SEEMS HIGHLY UNLIKELY. IN MY ESTIMATION OF ROUTE TRAVELING ADLER CREEK WOULD BE ONE AND A HALF TIMES LONGER BY DISTANCE AND 1.2 TIMES LONGER BY TIME WITHOUT COUNTING LIE LIGHTS, MERGE GOING OF TRAFFIC, ET CETERA.

SO THE LENGTH OF TRAVELING SCREE A ADLER CREEK WOULD BE ENOUGH TO SCOURGE MOST OF THE RESIDENTS TO LEAVE ADLER CREEK STOWTH TO HEAD TO PA SETY. WITHOUT A ROUGH PLOTTING OF HOW MANY UNITS WOULD BE IN THAT SOUTHERN PAST ATLER CREEK IT SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE TO CALCULATE WHAT PERCENTAGES OF THOSE NEW UNITS WOULD ACTUALLY HEAD SOUTH AND USE THE OVERCAPACITY PA SETY. THE COMMERCIAL-TO-RESIDENTIAL RATIO IN THIS SECTION OF THE COUNTY IS ALREADY WOEFULLY-OUT WHACK. GOING DEPENDENCY THE COUNTY PLAN AND REZONING THIS FROM RURAL TO RESIDENTIAL C WOULD LEAVE US FURTHER BEHIND WITH DRYING TO CATCH UP WITH ENOUGH GROCERY STORES AND RESTAURANTS ET CETERA TO SERVE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE WITHOUT OVERCROWDING AND LONG LINES.

MEANWHILE MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY IN AN APARTMENTS RACE --

SHALL I STOP? >> YES.

>> WRAP IT UP, PLEASE. >> .

>> SEEMS A LITTLE UNFAIR, BUT --

>> NEXT WE HAVE ANN OLDS. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS ANN OLDS, AND I HAVE TWO RESIDENCES, ONE IS 251 SOUTH MATANZAS BOULEVARD AND THE OTHER IS IN MURRAH BELLA AT 3944 TRA UPONY ROAD, DRIVE.

AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT BACK WHEN WE -- 2017 WHEN

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I UNDERSTAND TRYING TO MAKE THINGS WORK OUT IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS, BUT EVEN MORE SO, AND WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD LESS ABOUT IS THE DRAINAGE AND THE FLOODING, AND THAT'S THE REASON I GAVE YOU MY ORIGINAL ADDRESS. THAT'S WHERE I LIVE NOW IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY IN DAVIS SHORES, WHICH WAS GROUND ZERO, AS YOU KNOW, AND I'M STILL GETTING FLOODED THERE, SO THE IDEA OF FLOODING IN THE NEW PLACE WHERE WE MOVED TO, MURA BELLA IS WONDERFUL AND THEY'VE DONE SUCH A NICE JOB AND THEY'VE FIXED THE, YOU KNOW, THE WATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM PRETTY WELL.

AND EVEN THERE MY YARD IS RIGHT NOW FLOODED IT.

HAS BEEN FLOODED SINCE WE PURCHASED IT IN MARCH AND IT REMAINS FLOODED AS IN YOU CANNOT MOW YOUR GRASS BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH WATER. THERE AT THE BARN WHERE I GO AND HELP DO THE HORSE CHORES WITH THAT PROPERTY, THIS YEAR HAS BEEN PROBABLY THE WORST IN ABOUT FIVE YEARS OF FLOODING, AND I SAY THAT RELATES TO THE GRAND LAKES PROPERTY WHERE ONE OF THE DRAINAGE DITCHES, WHEN IT WAS A POTATO FIELD WE HAD NO TROUBLE WITH FLOODING. NEVER DID IT FLOOD.

BUT SINCE GRAND LAKES HAS GONE IN THERE AND THE DITCH HAS NOT BEEN MAIDEN, WHICH NOW APPARENTLY WAS TURNED OVER TO THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, THEY DO NOT DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN DISPOSE OF THINGS LIKE CONCRETE AND YARD CLIPPINGS INTO THAT DITCH, WHICH IS NOW BASICALLY FULL OF STAGNANT WATER, AND IT RUNS THE ENTIRE SOUTH BORDER OF OUR PROPERTY AND EVERY PROPERTY THAT BACKS TO IT THAT WOULD BE ON SCAFF ROAD, AND IT'S JUST MOACT MOACT INFESTED. YOU CAN'T GET THE MOCKS CONTROL TO COME OUT AND -- MONTHS KITA CONTROL TO COME OUT AND SPRAY.

THEY WILL UNDER SO MANY CONDITIONS OF YOU HAVE TO BE THERE AND YOU HAVE TO LET THEM IN, AND THEN THEY DON'T SHOW UP WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, SO I FEEL LIKE IT PUTS MY HEALTH IN DANGER TO GO ON PROPERTY THAT I OWN THERE AT SCAFF ROAD ALONG BY DAUGHTER BECAUSE IT'S JUST INFESTED.

AND THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN, IS THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> JOYCEIEST JOYCE YESEE. >> HI.

JOYCE YETSY, 434 WILLOW LAKE DRIVE, ST. JOHNS.

MY MAIN CONCERN WAS THE ROAD GOING THROUGH THE PRESERVE AREA, WHICH I WAS VERY GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT, ALSO. THE OTHER THING IS THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE PROPERTY. I WAS GLAD TO HEAR THAT THEY'RE GOING TO UP THAT, BUT IN GRAND LAKES WHEN THEY DID OURS, THEY BULLDOZED ALL THE TREES. WE HAVE A BUFFER AS FAR AS THAT THEY CAN'T BUILD UP TO IT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THERE, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE 50-FOOT BUFFER, THAT THEY COULD LEAVE THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AND THEN START BUILDING FROM THERE OUT RATHER THAN JUST COMING IN AND CLEARING ALL THE LAND.

THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT IS JULIE SHANE.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> JULIE SHANEING, AND I PLIF AT 241 BEST WESTSLING RUN IN GRAND LAKES. THANK YOU ALL FOR HEARING US TODAY. YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GREAT POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IS SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OUTSIDE OF THE WETLANDS, AND THE TREES THAT EXIST ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. OUR HOUSE IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, SO OUR LOT BACKS UP TO THE PRESERVE SIDE. OUR CONCERNS ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD EEGLES, OWLS, PINE LITTER WITH SNAKES, TURTLES, ALL KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THAT THAT HAVE BEEN IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT

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THE EROSION OF THE LANDS THAT EXIST BEHIND GRAND LAKE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AREA WHERE THE DRAINAGEIN DRAINAGE DITCHE LOSE LAND FROM OUR YARD ALL THE TIME AND CONSTANTLY HAVE TO REPLACE ALONG THE FENCE LINE, SO WHEN THAT'S DEVELOPED ON THE OTHER SIDE, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, SOME OF THE WATER DRAINAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE GOING TO CHANGE MOVING FORWARD. TRAFFIC.

WE HAVE HEARD EXTENSIVELY WILL TRAFFIC CONCERNS.

TRAFFIC IS BY FAR ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO ENCOUNTER. IN ADDITION TO A DEVELOPMENT GOING INTO ALONGSIDE OF OUR SUBDIVISION, THAT ALSO INCREASES THE NOISE POLLUTION THAT WOULD EXIST FROM THE ROADWAYS THAT WOULD BE THERE, INCREASE SPEEDS THAT WOULD GENERATE ADDITIONAL NOISE, TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE BOUND TO HAPPEN. ADDITIONALLY, WITH THE ROAD COMING OUT ONTO PACETTI ON THE SOUTH END NEAR.

208, THAT CORRIDOR FROM PACETTI AND 208 DOWN TO 16 IS ALSO BECOMING QUITE DANGEROUS FOR A LOT OF ROAD TRAVEL.

SO THE IDEA THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL 1600 HOMES GOING IN IS QUITE CONCERNING AS WELL. ADDITIONALLY, WE PURCHASED OUR HOME AS A PRESERVE LOT, SO THERE ARE SOME INHERENT PROPERTY VALUE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, SO THE IDEA THAT NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HOUSES BUILT UP BEHIND US THAT COULD POTENTIALLY SEE INTO OUR YARD, ESPECIALLY IF THE TREES WRE TAKEN DOWN, THE EXISTING TREES, THAT'S CONCERNING TO US.

WE ARE MAKING AN INVESTMENT. WE'RE PLANNING ON STAYING.

AND THE IDEA THAT AT SOME POINT OUR PROPERTY VALUE IS GOING TO DECREASE BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS ALSO A CONCERN FOR US. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S IT.

NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS. MS. SMITH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO

OFFER SOME REBUTTAL. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

TO START OFF WITH BE I HAVE TO SAY A PERSONAL NOTE, A ALSO TALKING TO MORNING OLDS BECAUSE SHE IS VERY SMART AND SHE KNOWS HER STUFF. SO SHE CAME TOWER COMMUNITY MEETING AND WE HAD A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT SHE BROUGHT UP TODAY. AND I DID IN 2017 SAY THAT THE PROJECT THAT WAS STEEPEL CHASE THAT WOULD HAVE ONLY ACCESSED THROUGH PACETTI ROAD PROVE BROKEN PACETTI ROAD WITH THE DENSITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THIS PROJECT IS PROPOSING A DIFFERENT ACCESS THAT DOESN'T RELY SOLELY ON PACETTI ROAD AND WE HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SHOWS HOW THAT TRAFFIC WILL BE DISTRIBUTED, AND ■EVERYBODY'S HOPING THAT THE LAST -- THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE WILL BE ADLER CREEK PARKWAY TO 202009.

AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT RECALL, GRAND OAKS HAS THE OBLIGATION TO FOUR-LANE A LARGE SECTION OF STATE ROAD 16, AND SO THAT SHOULD ALLEVIATE TO THE EAST OF WHERE 2209 COMES OUT, AND THEN THE DOT IS SCHEDULED TO DO SMGHT IMPROVEMENTS TO STATE ROAD 16 AT THE I-95 INTERCHANGE AND WHERE 208 COMES OUT INTO STATE ROAD 16. SO THE WHOLE NATURE OF THIS AREA AND THE TRAFFIC WILL CHANGE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

AND THIS PROJECT WILL NOT COME ONLINE FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS.

BY THE TIME YOU GET THAT ROAD CONSTRUCTED IN AND START HAVING HOMES OCCUPIED, WILL BE AT LEAST TWO YEARS IN NOT LONGER, JUST FIRE NOTE ABOUT THAT. WE ALSO HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT COMMERCIAL. YOU'LL NOTE THAT, AND I'M GOING TO BACK OUT TO MY MAP HERE, AND IT DOESN'T QUITE GO FAR ENOUGH.

WELL, IT DOES ON THIS FUTURE LAND USE.

SO YOU'LL UHL THIS IS WORLD COMMERCE CENTER WHEN IS WHERE GREEN-WISE IS ALL OF THAT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED ACROSS FROM THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL. YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS COMMERCIAL AT MURRAH BELLA AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE SILVER LEAF AND THEY ARE QUICKLY GETTING MILLIONS OF SQUARE FEET OF BAPTIST HOP, NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE SILVER LEAF TOWN CENTER THAT IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM THERE, SO THERE REALLY ISN'T A NEED NOR IS THIS THE CORRECT LOCATION FOR ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AS FAR AS DRAINAGE, AGAIN, AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING MR. LANCASTER TOLD THE OLDS LADIES THAT HE WOULD WORK WITH THEM ON ANY DRAINAGE ISSUES THEY'RE HAVING EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE PACETTI PROPERTY. IF GRAND LAKES HAS DONE

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AND STORM WATER RUNOFF CANNOT EXCEED THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT CONDITION AND STORM WATER RUNOFF.

THAT'S JUST THE LAW, AND THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND DEP WILL MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.

I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT WE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THE HISTORY OF THE SEEM CHASE PROJECT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. WITH RESPECT TO WILDLIFE, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS PRESERVES 130 MORE ACRES OF THAT CONTIGUOUS WETLAND SYSTEM OF TURNBULL CREEK.

I DO WANT TO, SINCE MRS. PACETTI IS SITTING IN THE BACKGROUND, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS FAMILY HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE BUY HOMES WITHIN COMMUNITIES, BUT THEY CAN ONLY BE ASSURED OF WHAT HAPPENS ON THEIR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

THERE'S NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, AND SO OUR TEAM WILL BE VERY RESPECTFUL OF THE FACT THAT WE'VE ALREADY SAID WE'LL PROVIDE A 50-FOOT BUFFER ADJACENT -- ON THE ADLER CREEK SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE FROM GRAND LAKES AND EXISTING VEGETATION TO THE EXTENT IT EXISTS TODAY WILL BE PRESERVED, AND IF IT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY, IT WILL BE PLANTED.

THE GRAND OAKS FOLKS -- OR GRAND LAKES FOLKS, I'M SORRY, HAVE THE SLIEWTZ RIGHT TO PLANT WITHIN THEIR 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT AGENCY. THEY DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE IT BARREN IF THEY DON'T WANT TO SO THAT SHOULD HOPEFULLY HELP WITH THE PRESERVE LOT ISSUE WITH THAT -- THEIR SIDE BEING PLANTED AND THEN THIS 50 FEET BEING EITHER VEGETATION REMAINING OR PLANTED ON THE ADLER CREEK SIDE.

SO WITH THAT, I THINK I WILL ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND HOPEFULLY ASK FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF TRANSMITTAL

FOR THIS APPLICATION. >> I'VE GOT A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. HIS BILL 5.WAS SIGNED IN JUNE.

IS DEO GOING TO BE ACCEPTING ANY LARGE SCALE TRANS MILTS WITH THE PROPERTY LINES ELEMENT THAT HAS NOT GONE THROUGH?

>> THERE'S STILL DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

THIS IS NOT AN AMENDMENT PROPOSED BY THE COUNTY.

>> GOT IT. >> SO IT'S THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT'S POSITION THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A COUNTY AMENDMENT TO ADD THAT. PLUS THIS WAS INITIATED PRIOR TO JULY 1 SO THIS SHOULD NOT GET CAUGHT UP IN THAT.

>> GOT IT. I JUST WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU.

>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> WELL, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, AND I GUESS IS THIS A GOOD TIME TO GIVE THOSE COMMENTS?

>> LET'S GO WITH A MOTION, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A COMMENT PERIOD AFTER WE GET A MOTION AND A SECOND IF THERE ARE NO OTHER

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. >> I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

>> SO I HAD ASKED IT BEFORE BUT PERHAPS I WASN'T SPECIFIC ENOUGH, YOU BUT I'M NOT SURE YOU ANSWERED IT OR NOT.

DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY GRANTED TO YOU ALREADY TO GO THROUGH THAT CONSERVATION LAND TO BUILD ADLER CREEK PARKWAY?

>> NOT ALREADY. >> YOU DO NOT HAVE IT.

OKAY. SO ARE YOU EXPECTING TO HAVE THE COUNTY DONATE THAT TO YOU OR ARE YOU WILLING TO BUY THAT? BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION RECENTLY AT COUNTY COMMISSION MEETINGS, NOT NECESSARILY GERMANE TO THIS, BUT ABOUT THE INCREASING COST OF THE COUNTY OBTAINING RITES RIGHTS-OF-WAY BECAUSE OF ENTITLEMENTS -- YOU KNOW WHAT

I'M TALKING ABOUT. >> I DO.

>> THE COUNTY IS GIVING, BESTOWING THESE ENTITLEMENTS, AND THEN WHEN THEY COME BACK TO DO A ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEY'VE GOT TO BUY THAT, AND WHAT ENTITLEMENTS THEY HAVE GIVEN CAUSE A HUGE INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUE, SO THE COUNTY IS PAYING MUCH HIGHER FOR THOSE RIGHTS-OF-WAY THAN THEY WOULD HAVE NORMALLY. THEY WOULD HAVE WITHOUT THE ENTITLEMENTS. SO I'M JUST -- HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY? IS IT GOING TO BE GRANTED,

DONATED, GIVEN, BOUGHT, WHAT? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT DETAIL.

AS I SAID TO YOU EARLIER, I HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN EASTLAND AND THE COUNTY STAFF WITH RESPECT TO THE ROAD, PSYCHO NOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION AT THIS TIME -- SO I CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION AT THIS TIME, BUT I CAN TRY TO GET THAT ANSWER FOR YOU BETWEEN NOW AND THE ADOPTION HEARING.

>> ONCE IT LEAVES HERE, I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENT ON IT.

>> IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MS. SMITH?

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>> WHAT DID YOU GOTTEN TO GET THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY?

>> IF WE DON'T GET THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL HAVE TO BE ANOTHER WAY IN.

AND DR. HILSENBECK, JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY, SINCE THIS IS ALL IN THE PUBLIC RECORD, AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO

MY MAP -- >> OKAY, GOOD.

>> -- THIS ROADWAY ALIGNMENT HAS BEEN A WORK IN PROGRESS BETWEEN -- AND LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT PRIVY TO ALL THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW THIS TRANSPIRED, BUT WHEN IT FIRST STARTED OUT, THE 2209 SEGMENT WAS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED TO A CERTAIN POINT AND THE ROAD WAS GOING TO COME IN FARTHER, BUT THAT -- FARTHER TO THE EAST. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT ONCE YOU GET OVER INTO THIS AREA, YOU'VE NOW CROSSED

TURNBULL CREEK AND. >> YOU'VE GOT TO CROSS IT AGAIN. SO THIS SEEMED LIKE THE BETTER WAY HAVE TO BUILD THIS ROAD OT TO HERE AND CROSS TURN BULLY CREEK TWICE TO GET TO THIS PROPERTY.

SO THAT I KNOW ORIGINALLY THE PROPOSAL -- ART WANTSZ TO TALK.

CAN WE GET ART TO CALL IN ON THE PHONE?

>> THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE CHAIR.

>> YES. >> GO AHEAD AND GET HUM ON YOUR PHONE. HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY STAFF.

HE'S THE ONE WHO IS IN HIBERNATION.

>> SORRY TO HEAR IT. >> JOHN.

>> YOU'RE ON >> ART, YOU'RE ON.

>> OH, OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING THERE, BUT IT'S FOR THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF EVERYONE SINCE I'VE BEEN EXPOSED.

AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO CALL INTO THE MEETING.

IN RESPONSE TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY --

>> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR.

>>Y -- WE'VE WORKED WITH COUNTY STAFF OVER A YEAR.

>> HEY, ART, HANG ON JUST A MINUTE.

>> GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> SURE. ART LANCASTER, EASTLAND 700

PONTE VEDRA LAKES BOULEVARD. >> THANK YOU.

AS I WAS STATING, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF AND TRANSPRTATION ESPECIALLY CLOSELY OVER THE LAST YEAR ON THE ALIGNMENT OF THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND PART OF THAT CONVERSATION INVOLVED THE COUNTY'S ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF AS WELL BECAUSE OF THIS ROAD GOING THROUGH THE ROMA.

AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ROAD DESIGN AND ALIGNMENT, THE ROAD IS NOT A STRAIGHT ROAD TO OR THROUGH OUR PROPERTY.

THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S DONE TO AVOID ANY STANDING PLATELETS.

THE CONSERVATION AREA OR THE ROMA THAT THE COUNTY PUT UNDER CONSERVATION WAS BOTH UPLAND AND WETLANDS.

WE WILL BE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY STAFF WILL BE GOING WITH US TO ALL THE PERMITTING AGENCIES. THE ST. JOHNS WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OR ARMY CORPS OR DEP TO VERIFY THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ALIGNMENT, TO VERIFY HOW THE MITIGATION WILL BE HANDLED FOR ANY RELEASE OF CREDITS. THE COUNTY WILL BE MADE WHOLE ON THOSE CREDITS. AS YOU'RE WAISH TROMA WAS BUT IN PLACE FOR THE COUNTY TO USE CREDITS TOWARDS OTHER COUNTY PROJECTS. SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PERMIT CONDITIONS OF US MOVING FORWARD ON THIS ROAD.

THE ROAD ITSELF, AS FAR AS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS TREATED, THE 2209 ALIGNMENT IS ALREADY IN PLACE.

THE ADLER CREEK PARKWAY WILL BE A COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY BUILT AND THE ROAD WILL BE BUILT TO COUNTY STANDARDS AND ACCEPTED BY THE COUNTY, SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A COUNTY ROAD.

NOW, I THINK THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO COUNTY INCURRING COSTS TO THE ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC ROADS.

ONE THING THAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL ENTER A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY WHERE OUR COMMUNITIES WILL MAINTAIN THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY OF ADLER CREEK PARKWAY SO THE COUNTY WILL NOT BE ON THE HOOK FOR THAT. ALSO THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE CORRIDOR. THERE IS IN OUR DESIGN ANTICIPATED CROSSINGS TO HANDLE ANY KIND OF BIFURCATION, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A LONG-EXISTING PERMIT THAT ALREADY HAD SOME OF THOSE CORRIDORS IN PLACE AND WILL JUST BE IN ADDITION TO THOSE AS WE CONSTRUCT -- ENHANCING THOSE AS WE CONSTRUCT THE ROAD ALIGNMENT. I'LL BE GLAD TEAK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. AS FAR AS THE COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY, THE COUNTY WILL BE ACCEPTING THE ROAD AS A PUBLIC

RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> ALL RIGHT.

TO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? IF NOT 1 WE ARE NOW BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

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>> MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TRANSMITTAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 202-0002 ADLER CREEK BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. MILLER.

NOW WE'RE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. DR. HILSENBECK.

>> OKAY. I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER SOME OF THE GOOD THINGS I SEE ABOUT THIS AND SOME OF THE NOT AS GOOD THINGS. I LIKE THE FACT THAT IT'S A LONGTIME RESIDENT AND OWNER WHO HAS BEEN ENROLLED IN THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY FOR SO LONG THAT OWNS THIS PROPERTY, THE PACETTIS, AND THAT'S I THINK A VERY GOOD THING.

I LIKE YOUR LOWER DENSITY NUMBER THAN YOU COULD HAVE SOUGHT USING VARIOUS FORM LIE, SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.

THE PRESERVATION OF MOST OF THE WETLANDS OF TURNBULL CREEK.

I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT 28 ACRES OF WETLANDS BUT YOU'RE MITIGATE FOR THOSE SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.

THE PRESERVATION OF SCATTERED ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES AND VARIOUS SCATTERED WETLANDS AND 10% OF THOSE SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITIES, ALBEIT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT ANYWAY.

I LIKE THAT YOU'RE ON MUNICIPAL WATER AND SEWER.

GOOD AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE. THE DEDICATION OF THE SCHOOL SITE. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS A DEDICATION OF THE SCHOOL SITE OR IF THAT'S A DONATION OR DEDICATION AND THE COUNTY WILL HAVE TO BUY THAT, I ASSUME, THE SCHOOL SITE, BUT YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT IF YOU WISH.

AND THAT YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR REALLY WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER OVER-THE-TOP USES OF THE PROPERTY.

SO I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE PLAN OVERALL.

WHAT I FIND IS NOT SO GOOD ARE -- AND I'M GOING TO MENTION IT BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT AREAS IN MURA BELLA DON'T DRAIN WELL IN THEIR YARDS. I DON'T KNOW THAT AS A FACT BUT I'LL TAKE IT ON WHAT THEY HAVE SPIPPED MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES THE TWO NEW MEMBERS, RELATIVELY NEW NOW, HAVEN'T BEEN HERE WHEN I'VE TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT SOIL TYPES ON PROPERTIES PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT AND HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE POORLY DRAINED AND VERY POORLY DRAINED, AND YOU CAN DO ALL THE THINGS YOU WANT, YOU CAN DIG DITCHES OUT THERE AND DO THINGS, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE UNDERLYING SOILS THAT ARE POORLY OR VERY POORLY DRAINED AND ABOUT HALF OF THOSE ON YOUR PROPERTY ARE, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ALLEVIATE LOCALIZED PONDING -- I'M NOT GOING TO CALL IT FLOODING -- BUT PONDING IN YARDS AND SO FORTH.

SO A LOT OF THE LANDS LEFT FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COUNTY ARE ON POORLY DRAINED SOILS, SO ABOUT HALF OF OURS ARE, AND I DID LIKE YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT.

I THOUGHT THEY DID A VERY GOOD JOB ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT. I HAD TO THAT WAS GREAT.

NOT SO GOOD, AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, IS THE AN ACT THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE FROM RURAL/SILVICULTURE TO RESIDENTIAL C, SO I HAVE VOTED AGAINST THINGS BEFORE BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T LIKE TO SEE SILVICULTURAL LANDS TAKEN OUT OF OR RURAL LANDS TAKEN OUT AND SILVICULTURAL LANDS TAKEN OUT OF PRODUCTIVE AND CONVERTED TO HOUSING.

I THINK YOUR TURNBULL CREEK BLUEWAY AND CONSERVATION IS GOOD -- IS VERY GOOD. I MEANT TO SAY THAT UP TOP.

I'M SORRY. MY WRITING IS HORRIBLY MESSY.

I THINK THE 14,000 DAILY TRIPS FROM THIS IS REALLY CONCERNING, AND I HAVE READ A LOT ABOUT CONCURRENCY AND PROPORTIONATE SHARE, EXTENSIVELY, IN FACT. PEOPLE HAVE WRITTEN EXTENSIVELY ABOUT IT LIKE JOHN RHODES AND BOB DEGROVE, I KNOW THOSE FOLKS PERSONALLY AND THEY HAVE WRITTEN DECENT ARTICLE INCLUDING BOB RHODES IN 2020, BUT I AM CONCERNED PROPORTIONATE SHARE FORMULAS OR FORMULI ARE NOT REALLY KEEPING UP.

IF FACT THAT WE'VE GOT ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE, YET ALL THESE ROAD SEGMENTS THAT ARE STILL NOT UPGRADED, THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE, THEY'RE STILL OVER THEIR CAPACITY AND SO FORTH, IF THE COUNTY IS COLLECTING ALL THIS MONEY FROM THESE PROPORTIONATE SHARE AND CONCURRENCY, AND I KNOW ROADS TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND PLANNING AND ENGINEERING AND EXPENSE, BUT THE FACT THAT THESE ROADS ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT UPGRADED IS JUST A MAJOR CONCERN TO ME. IF I DO VOTE AGAINST THIS, I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT IT GIVES ME ABSOLUTELY NO JOY, NO

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I'M JUST TRYING TO DO WHAT I SEE IS BEST FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

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THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, AND SO WE'RE READY TO RECORD THE VOTE.

LSHT. SO THAT PASSES, AND CONGRATULATIONS. WE'RE MOVING ON TO MR. CEARLEY.

AND IT'S GETTING LAID, MR. CEARLEY, BUT RATHER THAN TAKE A BREAK BECAUSE I I. THINK YOUR FOUR ITEMS ARE GOING GO PRETTY QUICK, I SUGGEST THAT EVERYONE STAND UP WHILE YOU'RE SPEAKING. I'M TIRED OF SITTING.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. JOE CEARLEY.

GROWTH MANAGEMENT. THIS IS AGENDA ITEM 7 AND 8.

THEY ARE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OOVMENTDZ AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS, COILS AMENDMENTS THAT BE BE HEARD CONDITION CURRENTLY ON DEALING WITH THE SAME SUBJECT MATTER, WORKFORCE HOUSING. THESE ARE THE ADOPTION HEARINGS FOR BOTH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS.

REAL IMIMPLEMENT THE LEASE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS.

THIS IS VERY STRANGE. THIS TOPIC CAME BEFORE YOU GUYS BACK IN MAY OF THIS YEAR, SO THIS SHOULD BE FAIRLY QUICK.

>> WE'RE COUNTING ON THAT, MR. CEARLEY.

>> THE WORKFORCE HOUSING ZONING DISTRICT WAS APPROVED APRIL LAST YEAR. I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE IT ALLOWS FOR FLECIAL DESIGN STANDARDS. CAN PROVIDE 44% OF THEIR UNITS AS WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS, AND THOSE ARE PROJECTED TO BE $220,000 SALES PRICE TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS THAT FALL WITHIN THE MODERATE INCOME BREAK THE BRACKET OR EARNING WENT 2020% OF THE AMI. SO BACK IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR THE BOARD DIRECTED STAFF TO AMEND THAT $210,000 PRICE POINT TO $240,000 AND REMOVE IT FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SOMEHOW CREATE SOME FORMULA IN THE CODE THAT WOULD REFLECT OFF SOME METRIC THAT WE WILL GET TO HERE SOON.

THE DIRECTION WAS GIVEN TO INCREASE THE MAX SALES PRICE 240 TO REFLECT THE RECENT RISE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND MATERIALS. SO STAFF HAD ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED PROVIDING THAT FORMULA THAT TIES INTO WHATEVER METRIC WE PROVIDED, THREE METRICS, ONE IS ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME, THE OTHER ONE IS A CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX WHICH, WITH A 3% CAP, THAT MEANS WE WOULD START AT A $240,000 PRICE POINT.

IT WOULD INCREASE AT THE RATE OR THE PERCENTAGE OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX ANNUALLY WITH THE BASE PRICE WOULD ALWAYS START AT $240,000. ALSO WITH THE RECENT RISE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS I THINK OUR MOST RECENTLY INCREASE IN CCI WAS 5.6% SO STAFF WILL BE SUGGESTING THE 3% CAP SO IT DOESN'T FLUCTUATE TOO HIGHLY. AND THE LAST OPTION IS CONSTRUCTION PRICING INDEX, WHICH THAT WOULD JUST START AT THE BASE PRICE OF 240 AND THEN COMPOUND ANNUALLY BASED ON THE CPI. WE WOULD ALSO SUGGEST 3% CAP ON THAT AS WELL. SO IN THE ROAD REAL QUICK, THERE COULD BE A PERCENTAGE WE WOULD COME UP WITH, MULTIPLIED BY WHATEVER METRIC TO GET THAT NUMBER TO 240.

AND THEN HOW MOVES FROM THERE WOULD BE BASED ON MARKET CONS ARE ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME WHICH EITHER DROPS OR RISES ANNUALLY.

AND IT'S BASED ON THE ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME IN THE AREA, THECL AREA. SO WE DID SEND THIS AND TRANSMIT TO STATE AND REGIONAL AGENCIES. AT THE TIME THE STAFF REPORT WAS WRITTEN. WE RECEIVED NOTHING BACK ON THIS. THERE ARE TWO MOTIONS HERE.

ONE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADJUSTMENTS AND FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, PROPOSED MOTIONS, AND THERE'S THREE SUGGESTED MOTIONS FOR BOTH ACTUALLY.

THIS COULD BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS AS WELL OR MODIFICATIONS, BUT THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION FOR THAT FIRST PART. I HOPE THAT WAS QUICK.

>> ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS

FOR JOSEPH? >> I HAVE ONE.

WHICH INDEX ARE WE USING? AND IS CPI CONSTRUCTION PRICE

INDEX OR CONSUMER PRICE INDEX? >> IT'S CONSTRUCTION PRICE INDEX. I THINK WE INITIALLY STARTED OUT WITH CONSUMER PRICE INDEX AND MAXIMUM SALES PRICE OF A HOME IN STJ WHEN STJ HOWEVER WE MET SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE OFFICE OF

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>> IT'S A 3% CAP FROM THE CCI. >> CORRECT.

SO THIS YEAR I BELIEVE IT WENT UP OR THIS LAST MONTH IT WENT UP 5.6% BECAUSE THE LOSS OF COUPLER, BERE AND HE THOUGHT WAS -- COST OF LUM PER. THE STAFF MADE A SUGGESTION OF CAPPING IT ALT 3% SO IT DOESN'T GET -- YOU KNOW, THE PRICE OF THOSE HOMES DON'T GO FROM 240 TO THE 270 EVERY NIGHT.

>> IF THIS MEETING GOES ON MUCH LONGER IT WILL HAVE GONE UP 5% SINCE WE SAT DOWN. ALL RIGHT.

DR. MCCORMICK, YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> NO, I HAVE A MOTION. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, LET'S HEAR A

MOTION. >> ALL RIGHT.

MY MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REVINES POLICY 8.1.11.1 AND SUBJECT TO THREE

FINDINGS OF FACT. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT.

SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK, FIRST BY DR. MCCORMICK.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S RECORD THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

ONE DOWN. >> CHAIRMAN, REAL QUICK.

WOULD YOU WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD ON THOSE THREE OPTIONED PROVIDED BRAS THAT IS A POLICY DECISION.

>> I THOUGHT WELL WERE VOTING DOCTOR I MISUNDERSTOOD.

>> THIS IS THE COMP PLAN? SURE.

MOVING ON TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE USE THE CCI, THE CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX WITH A 3% CAP, SO IN THIS MOTION WE NEED SOMEBODY TO ADDRESS WHICH OF THE THREE WE'RE GOING TO USE.

>> CHAIRMAN, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY SUGGESTIONS.

WE JUST BROUGHT THE THREE MET PRECIPITATION WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING -- METRICS. WE SUGGESTED A 3% CAP ON TWO OF THOSE OPTIONS BUT TBHEERT MAKING SUGGESTIONS ON WHICH METRIC TO USE. WE CAN MAKE USE OF ANY OF THE THREE P OPTIONS PROVIDE. I APOLOGIZE ON THE POWERPOINT IT SAYS APPROVAL OF APPROVALS. IT'S A RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH I THINK WE GOT.

>> OKAY. SO LET ME JUST POINT SOMETHING OUT BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND OPTION 3 EVEN AFTER I ASKED THE QUESTION. OPTION 3 IS THE SAME AS OPTION 2 EXCEPT FOR THE INDEX -- IT COULD BE COMPOUNDING.

>> SO TO PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE, AT A BASE PRICE OF 240,000 FORWARDS A HOME, IF THAT, LET'S SAY 5% ISLAND THERE WOULD BE NO DECREASE IN THAT. IT WOULD CONTINUALLY GO UP, RISE. WITH THE OPTION 2 I BELIEVE WE WOULD ALWAYS -- WE WOULD CONTINUALLY EACH THEY'RE START AT THE $240,000 MAXIMUM SALES PRICE AND USE THE CCI INDEX TO INCREASE IT JUST FOR THAT YEAR. IT WOULD ALSO PROVIDE A SAFETY MEASURE, A 3% CAP AND THAT HOME PRICE FELL WITHIN THE MEDIAN INCOME OR -- I'M SORRY -- THE MODERATE INCOME BREAK THE AS DEFINED BY HUD, AND THAT BRACKETT WOULD KEEP HOME SALES CURRENTLY, JUST LOOKING DOING A LITTLE BIT OF MOUTH BETWEEN

$181,000 AND $270,000. >> SO MOVED.

>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT YET. >> WHICH OPTION?

>> NOW I'M CONFUSED ABOUT BOTH. >> OKAY.

THERE'S THREE OPTIONS. THE ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME IS $75,000 RIGHT NOW. WE'RE USING THE 30% RULE, MEANING THAT YOU SPEND 30% OF YOUR INCOME ON --

>> LET ME ASK YOU SOME SPECIFICS QUESTIONS.

>> SURE. >> IN OPTION 2, THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE EACH YEAR SUBJECT TO 3% MAXIMUM IS APPLIED TO $240,000 INSTEAD OF BEING APPLIED TO WHATEVER THE NEW NUMBER WAS LAST

YEAR. >> CORRECT.

>> IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> , THAT.

>> AND IN OPTION 3 IF IN YEAR ONE IT WENT UP TO $246,750, THEN THE ESCALATOR IN YEAR TWO IS APPLIED TO THE $246,750.

>> OPTION 3 WOULD JUST START 240 EVERY YEAR AND JUST ADD THE

CCI. >> CUMULATIVECI FORE HOWEVER

MANY YEARS? >> IT WOULDN'T BE CUMULATIVE.

THERE WOULD BE A SLIGHT INCREASE OF WHATEVER IT WAS THAT YEAR.

>> ALL RIGHT. I GOT IT NOW.

>> CHRISTINE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

WE WENT OVER THESE TWO OPTION AND IS THEY WERE RATHER DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND, SO WHEN SPEAKING WITH OMB, BUT I THINK

WE GOT IT NAILED DOWN. >> ALL RIGHT.

AND, QUITE FRANKLY, OPTION 3 DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME AS

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ANY WAY -- >> SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING OPTION

2? >> THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, YES. WHICH SOUNDS LIKE A BULLY PULPIT BUT THAT'S MY SUGGESTION ANYWAY.

DOES ANYBODY WANT TO OFFER A MOTION?

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE RECOMMENDED MODIFICATION OF THE

[Items 9 & 10]

>> SECOND. >> WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY MR. MILLER AND A SECOND BY DR. MCCORMICK.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S RECORD THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 9, JOSEPH.

>> SO THIS IS SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE THIS CAME BEFORE THIS AGENCY BACK IN MAY OF LAST YEAR OR MAY OF THIS YEAR -- I'M SORRY -- AND IT IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY AMENDMENT, A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS WOULD IMLEMENT THE FAMILY PHARM POLICY AMENDMENT HAVE AMENDMENTS WOMEN.

RELL QUAKE THE POLICY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALLOWS FOR TRACTS OF LAND AND AIRS TO CONSTRUCT OR PLACE MULTIPLE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON A SINGLE-PAYER PARCEL.

ADDITIONALLY, AI REQUIRES -- I'M SORRY BE ARTICLE INTENSIVE LAND USE REQUIRES 39 AREAS AND RURAL/SILVICULTURE REQUIRES 100 ACRES. THERE'S INCENTIVES WHERE PARCELS THAT WERE RECORDED PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER OF 1990 THAT DON'T MEET THESE MINIMUM LOT SIZES ARE CONSIDERED EXEMPT AND ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FAMILY PHARM OPTION AS WELL.

IT'S A LIMITED ONE-TIME USE FOR ACTIVE FARMS, CROP PRODUCTION OR OTHER AGRICULTURAL USES. SO THE ISSUE IS THAT THESE PARENT PARCELS CAN DEED OFF SEPARATE PARCELS FOR FAMILY MEMBERS ONLY, HOWEVER, THEY CAN'T LEGALLY SUBDIVIDE.

WE'RE HAVING AN ISSUE WHERE FAMILY MEMBERS PASS AWAY, THE REST OF THE MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY ON OTHER TRACTS OF LAND ON THE PARENT PARCEL ARE STUCK WITH THE MORTGAGE, TAXES, ET CETERA. AND THERE ARE ALSO INSTANCES WHERE FAMILY MEMBERS WISH TO MOVE ELSEWHERE AND DEED OFF THAT PORTION OR SELL OFF THAT PORTION OF THEIR FAMILY FARM TO SOMEONE OUTSIDE THE FAMILY MEMBERS, AND THEN HAVE THEM REQUIRE THAT THE NEW OWNERS COME IN AND GET A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMOUNTED. THIS ALSO CREATES A LEGAL SUBDIVISION OF LAND. THE BOARD HELPED TO US HELP ALLEVIATE NIECE FAMILY FARMS SO STAFF HAS CREATED A PROVISION WITHIN AN LDC THAT WOULD TERMINATE THE LAST AFFIDAVIT AFTER SEVEN YEARS AUTOMATICALLY.

SO -- AND THEN THEY WOULD THEN BE CARND EXEMPT PARCEL THE AND HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM LOT ZONE THRAIMPLETS P ZONING DISTRICT. AS LONG AS THEY HAD 1 ACRE LOTS WE COULD TERMINATE THEM SUCCESSFULLY AND THEY COULD PULL PERMITS. ONE TERMINATED THEY WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM EVERY EVER CREATE AWNING FAMILY FARM AGAIN. THESE POLICY AMENDMENTS ALSO REDUCE THE LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS IN AGRICULTURE-INTENSIVE AND RURAL/SILVICULTURE LAND USES. CURRENTLY AI REQUIRES 39 ACRES FOR THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE. STAFF IS REQUESTING OR PROPOSING A 20-ACRE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR THAT.

RASUAL SILVICULTURE IS CURRENT 100 ACRES AND STAFF IS PROPOSING 40 ACRES FOR THAT, AND THAT'S TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY FOR OWNERS OF NON-FAR SELLS ALLOW THEM TO CONSTRUCT A DWELLING UNIT WHILE STILL PRESERVING AGRICULTURAL LANDS.

WE LOOKED A JURISDICTIONAL RESEARCH OF JOINED SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS AND BEYOND TO SEE WHAT THEIR MINIMUM RURAL LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS WERE. THEY WERE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN HOURS OURS. OURS IS PRETTY STRINGENT, SO WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THOSE PROPOSALS.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION FOR THIS ONE.

AND THERE ARE TWO MOTIONS, ONE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND ONE FOR THE LDC AMENDMENT.

>> THERE? ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION, AT LEAST ONE AND I HAD SEVERAL AND WAS

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I REALLY DON'T MIND THE AG INTENSIVELY GOING FROM 39 TO 20 OR RURAL/SILVICULTURE FROM 100 TO 40, BUT WHY THE SEVEN-YEAR SUNSET? WHAT'S THE RATIONALE BEHIND

THAT? >> THE SEVEN YEARS, I BELIEVE,

TRISHA. >> YOU'RE ASKING WHY WE CHOSE

EXACTLY SEVEN YEARS. >>

>> OR SUNSET IT AT ALL. >> I CAN ANSWER THE SECOND PART OF THAT, THE LATTER PART OF THAT QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SUNSET IT AUTOMATICALLY IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE THEM THE OPTION TO CONTINUE AS A FAMILY FARM.

IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE HELD TO THE STRICT LITERATURE IN THE AFFIDAVIT. SO IF THEY COULD SELL OFF OR DEED OFF THAT PORTION AS LONG AS IT MET THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF THIS ZONING DISTRICT. WE HAVE HAD INSTANCES WHERE FAMILY FARMS ARE DISSOLVING BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE MOVING ON OR ARE DYING OFF, SO THAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND IT.

WE HAVE HAD A FEW INSTANCES WHERE THEY'VE ILLEGALLY SOLD OFF THE PROPERTIES AND BE THEN HOMEOWNERS COME IN AND THEY CANNOT DEVELOP THE PROPERTY OR PULL PERMITS DUE TO THAT FAMILY

FARM AFFIDAVIT. >> OKAY.

AND IN MAY I REALLY THOUGHT I WAS JUST HAVING A -- I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT AND I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT MYSELF, ACTUALLY, BUT EVERYONE SAID, OH, NO, THIS IS JUST CHANGING FROM 39 TO 20 AND 100 TO 40, BUT IN THAT SAME PART OF THE LDC, IT IT BASICALLY THEN STARTED IN ON PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENTS, AND IF YOU HAD 100 HOMES, THEN YOU COULD HAVE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THAT. IS THIS MERELY CHANGING THE THRESHOLD IN ACREAGE SIZE OR IS THIS -- I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION BEFORE -- IS THIS GOING TO MAKE PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENTS EASIER TO UNDERTAKE?

>> NO, THIS IS MERELY CHANGING THE MINIMUM LOTTIZE AND AI AND RS. IT'S NOTE TUSMTION OR DOING ANYTHING WITH PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

>> I DIDN'T SIGHT. >> THERE'S A REFERENCE -- I KNOW WHY YOU GOT CONFUSED LAST TIME. IT WAS A SECTION LAST TIME THAT

MADE REFERENCE TO REDLINING. >> THERE WAS.

I KNEW THERE WAS. BECAUSE PEOPLE DENIED THERE WAS. I KNEW THERE WAS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ADVERTISEMENT? AND ALSO I WANT TO ASK THE VICE CHAIR TO CONFIRM WE HAVE NO SPEAKER CARDS FOR THE LAST TWO

ITEMS WE VOTED ON IN 9 AND 10. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> SINCE THERE'S NOBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, FIGURED WE HAD NO SPEAKER CARDS, ABOUT IT THOUGHT MAYBE SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE THEIR CLOAKING DEVICE ON AND JUST COULDN'T SEE.

WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 9.

>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT REVISING POLICY A.1.6 BOTANICA 1, A162, A.16.3 AND A BETWEEN 4 SUBJECT

TO ME FINDINGS OF PACT. >> MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. MILLER.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 10. >> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL

[Staff Reports: Next PZA meeting on August 5, 2021, 15 items.]

COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND IN MOTION BY MR. MILLER.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. CONGRATULATIONS.

>> I HOPE THAT WAS PAIN LS. >> SO WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY BUSINESS, AND DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF REPORTS OTHER THAN BRING

YOUR PILLOW NEXT TIME? >> NO, SIR, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL STAFF REPORTS THAT IS ON THE AGENDA.

YOU SEE THE ITEMS YOU HAVE FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

>> OKAY. UNDER AGENCY BUSINESS, I'M GOING TO ASK JUST FOR A RATIFICATION OR MOTION TO MOVE THE PUBLIC SPEAKING TIME TO THE END OF THE AGENDA AS OPPOSED TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION TO THE END OF THE AGENDA, RATHER THAN THE BEGINNING, SO IF SOMEONE WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE THAT MOTION,

I'D APPRECIATE IT. >> MOTION TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT

AT THE END OF THE MEETING. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY MS. PERKINS, SECOND BY MR. MILLER. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> THIS IS MY ONLY CONCERN.

I DON'T MIND THIS PARTICULARLY, BUT IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DO COME, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE DOING THIS, BUT IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC COME AND THEY WANT TO MAKE A QUICK

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SO I WANT TO VOTE FOR IT BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT SOMEBODY SPRG TO SIT HERE FOR TWO AND A HALF, THREE HOURS JUST NUKE A PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN THE UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED BEFORE IS UNLIKELY TO HOPEFULLY HAPPEN AGAIN, AND SO I'M CONCERNED

ABOUT THAT. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> YEAH,TIVE SAME CONCERN ABOUT HAVING FUMBLE WAIT TWO, THREE HOURS UNTIL THE END OF IT. HAVING THE PUBLIC WAIT.

I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S -- I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ONE BAD APPLE, THE WHOLE COMMUNITY PAY FOR THAT. LET PEOPLE COME AND HAVE THEIR

SHOT AND THEN THEY'RE GONE. >> MS. PERKINS.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT. WE HAVE BEEN HERE -- I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMITTEE FOR OVER A YEAR AND A HALF MAYBE, AND WE'VE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT TWICE THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.

IT'S A RARITY IN THIS AGENCY, SO THE BOARD --

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