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>> GOOD MORNING WELCOME TO THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ALONG WITH PRIOR COMMUNICATIONS AND E-MAIL THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT BY TELEPHONE. WHILE WATCHING THE MEDIOCRE BY STREAMING IT ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. THE MEETING MATERIALS ARE POSTED ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE AND THE AGENDA AND MINUTES. ONCE YOU FIND THE MEETING AGENDA YOU CAN CLICK ON THE AGENDA ITEMS TO GET ACCESS ALL OF THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS AND WE WILL CALL THE ROLE.
FOR THE INVOCATION PRAYER THANK YOU. >> DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, I COME BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING ALONG WITH COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS WELL AS THE WITNESSES OF THIS MEETING, AND ASKED FOR YOU TO ABIDE WITH US.
WE ASK THAT YOU GRANT THESE COMMISSIONERS ACKNOWLEDGE, AND UNDERSTANDING OF ALL OF THE BUSINESS THAT THEY ARE TO OVERSEE SO THAT THEY MAY MAKE DECISIONS WITH MORAL CLARITY.
WE KNOW ACCORDING TO YOUR WORD, THAT YOU GIVE WISDOM AND OUT OF YOUR MOUTH COMES KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING. NO MATTER WHAT THEY FACED TODAY, OR IN THE FUTURE, IT MADE THEIR HEARTS CONTINUE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE FEAR OF THE LORD'S WISDOM.
THE LORD STRENGTHEN THEM TO THE CALL TO PUBLIC SERVICE BY EMPOWERING THEM BY YOUR SPIRIT.
AS THEY SEEK YOU AND YOUR KINGDOM FIRST, ALL THINGS NEEDED FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY WILL BE ADDED. I PRAY FOR PROTECTION AND BLESSING FOR THEM, THEIR STAFF
MEMBERS AND FAMILY. IN THE NAME OF JESUS AMEN. >> THANK YOU PASTOR, NOW WE WILL
HEAR FROM LIEUTENANT COMMANDER FROM THE U.S. COAST GUARD. >> GOOD MANNING CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TOO SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, UNDER 24 YEARS IN THE COAST GUARD AND I LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT. ONCE I RETIRED I WANTED TO MOVE TO A PLACE THAT SUPPORTED VETERANS AND THIS IS WHERE WE ENDED UP WITH.
BOTH MY WIFE AND I ARE RETIRED AND ACTIVE-DUTY, WE APPRECIATE THE BOARD AND COMMUNITY FOR WELCOMING US INTO THE SPINE AREA. SO WITH THAT PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND
JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> PLEASE BE SEATED, THANK YOU JIM.
[Proclamation Recognizing St. Johns County 200th Anniversary]
NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM REPRESENTED SYDNEY STEVENSON. GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME.>> GOOD MORNING CHAIR IT IS A WONDERFUL TIME TO REFLECT ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE HAD IN STEWARDSHIP THAT YOU HAVE FOR THIS COUNTY AND THAT WE ALL HAVE.
AND THE LEGISLATURE FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
WE HAVE CERTAINLY GONE TO A LOT OF CHANGES, AND I THINK THAT THE PICTURE DISPLAY THAT YOU HAVE DONE IS A WONDERFUL WAY TO CAPTURE WHAT IS GOING ON. I KNOW YOU HAVE A LONG MEETING AHEAD OF YOU AND LOTS OF WORK AND THERE ARE ISSUES TO DECIDE.
THANK YOU FOR GIVE ME A CHANCE TO PRESENT THIS PROCLAMATION TO YOU IN HONOR OF THE 200TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE FOUNDING OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THIS PROCLAMATION WAS PRESENTED TO THE LEGISLATURE WITH THE SECRETARY OF STATE PRESENT AND IS NOW IN THE RECORD AND WE ARE HONORED TO BE HERE TO PRESENT IT TO YOU. A LIVE RESOLUTION RECOGNIZED JULY 21, 2021 IS THE 200 ANNIVERSARY OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WHEN THE TWO OLDEST COUNTY GEESE IN THE STATE WAS FOUNDED ON JULY 21ST 1821.
TWENTY-FOUR YEARS BEFORE FLORIDA BECAME A STATE AND WHEREAS WHERE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WERE CREATED ON THE SAME DAY AND ENCOMPASSING ALL OF THE FLORIDA TERRITORY AND THE HISTORIC BOUNDARIES WHICH
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ONCE INCLUDED ALL AREAS EAST OF THE SUWANEE RIVER INCLUDING OVER HALF OF THE PRESENCE CAP OF COUNTIES IN FLORIDA.AND WHEREAS, LOCATED ON THE HISTORIC FIRST COAST, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS THE PROUD HOME OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
FOUNDED IN 1565 BY PEDRO MENDES, AS THE NATION'S OLDEST CONTINUOUSLY OCCUPIED EUROPEAN SETTLEMENT IN THE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES. IT IS BLESSED TO HAVE A RICH AND VARIED HISTORY. WHICH HAS SPANNED CENTURIES OF INDIGENOUS SPANISH, THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, THE SPANISH, THE BRITISH, AFRICAN AND OTHER CULTURAL INFLUENCES.
AND WHEREAS ST. JOHN'S COUNTY LOCATED BETWEEN THE MAJESTIC STF BEAUTIFUL BEACHES. AND COASTLINE ALONG THE ATLANTIC OCEAN, BOASTS NUMEROUS HISTORIC SITES, NATIONAL MONUMENTS, A VIBRANT AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRY, AND ABUNDANT NATURAL AMENITIES AND RESOURCES AND WHEREAS, FOR 200 YEARS, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY HAS BEEN A PLACE FOR FAMILIES TO ESTABLISH THEIR ROOTS AND FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE CAN SHARE MEMORIES AND ENJOY A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE, DIVERSE ARTS, AND CULTURAL OPPORTUNITIES.
AN UNPARALLELED ON HISTORIC EXPERIENCES.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THAT JULY 21, 2021 IS RECOGNIZED AS THE 200 ANNIVERSARY OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
IT IS A REAL HONOR TO BE AND REPRESENT THIS COUNTY AND HAS BEEN AN HONOR FOR ME AND I KNOW IT IS FOR YOU, AND I KNOW THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE ARE HERE AND I'M GLAD THAT THEY CARE ABOUT THE COUNTY AS WELL. IT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT STEWARDSHIP ROLE THAT YOU ARE ALL GIVEN AND I AM GRATEFUL FOR YOUR WORK. AND I KNOW THE WORK IS NOT ALWAYS EASY AND EVERYBODY'S NOT ALWAYS HAPPY.
YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS LAST YEAR AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS COUNTY FOR FUTURE
GENERATIONS SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE] >> I WOULD LIKE TO TALK FOR ANOTHER MINUTE, IT IS MY HONOR TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS TO THE CHAIR OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION, AND TO THE COMMISSION ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE STATE REPRESENTATIVES. YOU RECEIVE THIS PROCLAMATION.
>> WHILE WE ARE AWAITING A SECOND, I WANT TO TAKE ONE MOMENT, TO TELL EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW, ALL OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS IN THE FOYER AND BEFORE THAT ALL OF THE ART IN PUBLIC PLACES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR FOURIER FROM TIME TO TIME THAT ARE SO BEAUTIFUL, THAT WAS THE BRAINCHILD OF CINDY STEVENSON. THAT WAS ABOUT 13 YEARS AGO, ABOUT THE TIME THAT WE MOVED INTO THIS FACILITY.
SHE HAS VERY SELF-EFFACING AND REALLY NEVER TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND I THOUGHT I WOULD POINT THAT OUT THIS MORNING AND WE APPRECIATE IT. [APPLAUSE]
[Acceptance of Proclamation]
[Public Safety Update]
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>> IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT OR PROCLAMATION MOTION.
>> SECOND PERIOD. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
>> MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS AND COUNTY STAFF AND COURSE OF THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AS YOU WATCH TO THAT SLIDESHOW AND I KNOW REPRESENTATIVE STEVENSON ONLY WALKED OUT HERE IF THAT DOES NOT MAKE YOU PROUD TO LIVE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THE FLIPSIDE OF THAT IS A SHARE OF THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO PROTECT THIS COUNTY CONSISTS PRIVILEGE TO PROTECT IT. BEFORE WE GIVE THE UPDATE WE WANT TO SHARE THINGS WITH YOU. IF YOU DID NOT KNOW AND OUR CITIZENS AND TAXPAYERS KNOW, WE HAVE MOVED INTO OUR 911 COMMUNICATION CENTER WHICH THE CHIEF WILL TALK ABOUT.
ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFFS AND FIRE OUR HOUSE OF THE SAME ROOF AGAIN OUT AT THE NEW CENTER. A LITTLE BIT OF QUIRKS AND MULTIPLE THINGS WE ARE WORKING OUT.
AS YOU KNOW IT IS A MASSIVE MOVE, WE'VE BEEN BEEN ABOUT OUT THERE FOR A WEEK, AS WE SHARED IN THE PAST, AGAIN IT IS ABOUT 650 CALLS PER DAY TO THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE ACTUALLY HANDLES FOR THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SHARE IS NOW WE ARE ACTUALLY COMBINING UP WITH SAINT AUGUSTINE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE CLASS, CAN I MOAN ONE OPERATORS ACROSS THE COUNTY ARE JUST BANGING DOWN THE DOORS TO THE 911 OPERATORS. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE WAS HAVING THE SAME ISSUES THAT WE WERE HAVING ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE STATE IN THE COUNTIES.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY WORKED OUT SOME VARIABLES AS WE SIT TODAY, AS OF YESTERDAY MORNING SAINT AUGUSTINE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS BEING DISPATCHED TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY OFFICE.
UNDER THE MOU WITH THE FUNDS SHARED WITH SAINT AUGUSTINE.
THAT IS A BIG TAKING ON FOR THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFFS OFFICE, BUT WE WILL WORK THROUGH IT TO MAKE SURE THE CITIZENS HAVE NO INTERRUPTED SERVICES. IF THERE IS NO QUESTIONS ON THAT AND LET THE DIRECTOR SPEAK WITH YOU.
>> ANY QUESTION? THANK YOU SHERIFF.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT.
IN LIEU OF THE PICTURES THAT WE JUST SAW IT IS APROPOS THAT WE TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE UNIFIED COMMAND THAT WE ARE DOING ALONG WITH THE FIRE RESCUE FOLKS TO GET READY FOR HURRICANE SEASON.
WE CONTINUE TO USE THE LAST STORM AS A DRY RUN TO DUST OFF OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES INTO TWEAK THOSE AS WE NEED TO DO.
I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU ON BEHALF OF THE PIATT APARTMENT IN THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT WE ARE ALWAYS VIGILANT AND ALWAYS READY
THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS I AM JOEL SNEED ASSISTANT CHIEF OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
THIS BEING THE FIRST MEETING AFTER JULY 4 WEEKEND, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEF THE BOARD ON THE DEPARTMENT'S HOLIDAY RESPONSE ACTIONS.
ALTHOUGH THE WEATHER IS NOT IDEAL, FIRE RESCUE MANAGE 828 BEACH EVENTS OVER 40. PERIOD OVER THERE FOR DAY.
WE HAD 20 WATER SURF RESCUES, FIVE MEDICAL CALLS, THREE MISSING PERSONS, AND THE ADDITIONAL 800 EVENTS CONSIST OF DEFINITIVE ACTIONS TO AVERT DEATH OR INJURY IT WAS A BUSY WEEKEND FOR US ON THE BEACH. THE BEACH AND ITSELF WAS PRESENTED FIRE WHISKEY WITH NOTEWORTHY CHALLENGES THIS YEAR.
DURING THE MONTH OF JUNE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FIRE RESCUE RESPONDED TO 4,000 BEACH RELATED INCIDENTS.
WE DON'T SEE ANY INDICATION OF THESE NUMBERS REDUCE IN ANY TIME IN THE FUTURE. HOWEVER, IN ADDITION, THIS IS ONE OF OUR GREATEST COURSES THAT WE OFFER, WE JUST COMPLETED ANOTHER YEAR OF THE VERY SUCCESSFUL POPULAR JUNIOR LIFEGUARD PROGRAM. IT IS OPEN TO CHILDREN FROM AGES
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9-15, AND WE PUT 80 STUDENTS TO OVERFLOWING.MOVING AWAY FROM THE BEACH AND RELATED TO THE WATER IN PREPARATION FOR TROPICAL STORM ELSA, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FIRE RESCUE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE STOOD UP THE UNIFIED INCIDENT MANAGEMENT TEAM.
THE TEAM CREATED A COMBINED INSTANT TACTICAL PLAN TO EFFECTIVELY DEPLOY COUNTY RESOURCES IN RESPONSE TO THE STORM'S ANTICIPATED DAMAGE. FORTUNATELY ELSE'S AFFECTS WERE OUTSIDE OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, BUT THE EVENT PROVIDED US A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TEST EFFORTS TO PREPARE FOR THE LONG AND HOPEFULLY UNEVENTFUL HURRICANE SEASON AHEAD OF US.
THE AGENCY CONTINUES TO PREPARE AND ADDRESS ALL EMERGENCIES AT HAND. RECENTLY ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FIRE RESCUE DEPLOYED TO URBAN SEARCH AND RESCUE TECHNICIANS TO THE TRAGIC SEASIDE CONDOMINIUM CLASS AS PART OF THE TASK FORCE OF FIVE. THAT WAS A REAL HEART BREAKER GUYS. THEY WORKED FOR SEVEN DAYS AND RETURN HOME SAFELY. THE MOST RECENT UNFORESEEN INCIDENT BEING THE MASS CASUALTY INCIDENT OF THE TROLLEY ACCIDENT, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FIRE RESCUE TRANSPORTER 11 PATIENTS LOCALLY AND ONE PATIENT TO THE TRAUMA CENTER.
AS ALWAYS, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE IS PROUD TO SERVE CITIZENS AND VISITORS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND REPS AT THE BOARD OF ■COUNTY%-ÚCOMMISSI. WHAT REMAINS IS CAPS ON FOR
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[Regular Agenda]
[1. Hurricane Financial Preparedness Presentation by FL Dept. of Financial Services.]
[2. Presentation of the St. Johns County Comprehensive Annual Financial Report.]
[3. Public Hearing * COMPAMD 2021-02 Greenbriar Helow (Transmittal).]
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LONGLEAF AND THEN ROBERTS WROTE FOR THAT SAFETY OR CAPACITY[00:55:07]
PERMIT FOR THE THIRD LANE. THE LAST ITEM TO POP IN HIS[00:55:13]
PRIVATE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. THEY ARE FROM 2023 AND[00:55:20]
COMPLETION AND WHAT THOSE ROADWAYS WILL DO.[00:55:22]
ALL TOGETHER WHEN WE START TO THINK ABOUT OR LOOK AT THE MODEL[00:55:26]
COMPONENTS OF WHAT THESE CONNECTIONS.[00:55:28]
THERE IS SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC PATTERNS THAT CHANGE FOR[00:55:31]
COMMUTING TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF PUTNAM AND CLAY COUNTY THAT WILL NO LONGER BE ON A LOCAL ROAD NETWORK.THEY WILL USE THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY AND AS WE MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS. IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH WHAT THAT MAP SHOWS US WE HAVE EXISTING DEFICIENCIES BEFORE THE PROJEC ARRIVE, THE SAME WHEN WE COME IN, DIFFERENT AGENCIES EITHER PUBLIC OR PRIVATE AGENCIES. TAKING CARE OF SOME OF THOSE ROADWAYS, BUT NOT ALL OF THOSE. SO THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS ONE CONTRIBUTION OF WHAT THE INITIAL PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE WHEN YOU BASE IT ON 3500 UNITS COULD CONTRIBUTE TO THAT ROADWAY DEFICIT THAT WE SAW. I USE LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY AS AN EXAMPLE. AT THE TOP THIS IS ITERATED IN THE REPORT, THE ESTIMATE FOR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE FOR YOUR ROADWAY SYSTEM WOULD BE ABOUT $20 MILLION.
THE TOTAL RESIDENTIAL ROAD IMPACT FEE BASED ON 3500 UNITS WOULD BE 28 MILLION. TYPICALLY THOSE NUMBERS ARE CLOSE TOGETHER IN THIS CASE STILL BE IN EXCESS OF FUNDS ABOUT $8 MILLION OVER AND RESIDENTIAL ROAD IMPACT FEES.
HE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY TO RESERVE RIGHT AWAY FOR THE WIDENING PROJECT FOR COUNTY ROAD 210.
SO YOU SEE THAT LISTED IN RED, THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED. SO THAT COMES OFF AND YOU CAN APPLY THEM FOR CREDIT SO LET'S REMOVE THAT.
SO THE TOTAL NET IMPACT PAYABLE WOULD BE IN THAT 22 MILLION RANGE HERE TO THE COUNTY. THE COMMERCIAL ROAD IMPACT I WULD SUSPECT THAT IS A LITTLE LOW.
I DID IT INTENTIONALLY BASED ON THE SAME USE THAT WE USE IN THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS. AT SHOPPING CENTER AND OFFICE, AT THIS STAGE IF YOU CAN REALLY FLUCTUATE AS YOU ENVISION.
YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE IMPACT FEES AND WHEN THAT IS ASSESSED.
SO THAT IT IS LIKELY SHY LIKELY SHY OF WHAT ANCHORMAN USUALLY IF IT'S A HIGH VEHICLE USE YOU WILL HAVE A HIGHER IMPACT FEE.
IT'S A GOOD POINT TO UNDERSTAND THE COMMERCIAL ON IMPACT THE SAP. SO YOUR POTENTIAL TO HAVE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT FUNDS WILL BE OVER $31 MILLION.
CONTRIBUTED TO HOW IT CAN BE PARTNERED FOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS? THE LONGLEAF PINE COST ESTIMATE USING DOT COSTS WHICH IS FAMILIAR ALL THE ENGINEERS USE THAT. WE HAVE LEFT OUT RIGHT AWAY, BECAUSE IN THE PLANNING FOR LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY, YOU SET A SET OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY YOU ALSO SIZE THE POND ALONG THAT SEGMENT TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FUTURE FOUR LANES AS WELL AS PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, SO THE WHOLE GENERAL PRICE IS LESS, BECAUSE OF THE FORETHOUGHT. FOR THAT ROAD.
TO CONSTRUCT FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES ON THAT ROAD IS A LITTLE LESS SO MAYBE YOUR GENERAL NUMBER THAT YOU ARE USED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. THE COUNTY SET ASIDE TWO YEARS DESIGN DOLLARS TO GO FORWARD AND YOU ARE UNDER WAY NOW.
IN THAT DESIGN OF MOVING FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES.
SO WHEN WE TAKE THAT OUT WHAT WE HUNT FOR OUR DIFFERENCES NEEDED TO GET THAT WHOLE IMPROVEMENT TO GET THE $17 MILLION.
SO WHEN WE CAN CONTRIBUTE $31 MILLION AND THAT WILL MAKE FOR THAT WHOLE IMPROVEMENT, THEN THERE IS A REMNANT OF $40 MILLION REMAINING IN POTENTIAL ROADWAY FUNDS THAT WE CAN USE THAT ON OTHER PROBLEMS. THE TAKE AWAY ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IS JUST TO SHOW THERE IS ADDITIONAL DOLLARS THAT THIS PROJECT BRINGS. THERE CAN BE DEFINITELY ONE IMPROVEMENT IF NOT MORE MOVING FORWARD IN THE PROCESS.
SO THIS SLIDE GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON RULES OF WHERE WE ARE. TODAY'S HEARING IS NOT SO MUCH ABOUT SETTING FORTH THE TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR TRANSPORTATION OF THOSE DETAILS FOR PARKS OR SCHOOLS.
IT IS TO CONSIDER ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE STATE AGENCIES FOR TRANSMITTAL.
A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS WHEN WE MEET 1010 WITH THE COMMUNITY IS TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR FAIR SHARE? THIS ADDRESSES HOW THAT IS DONE AND WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. AGAIN, THE MIX USE IN THE PROJECT THAT WE SHOWED, AND THE DEFICIENCIES, IFE IS NO NEW DEF.
WE USED FAIR SHARE DOLLARS TO SELL FOR ROADWAY PROJECTS SPECIFICALLY ONE EXAMPLE. AGAIN IN SOME RATE THIS AS THE PROJECT TO BRING IT ALL BACK HOME WHAT WE SEE IS THE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM THAT MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT YOU SEE WITHIN THE SIX VILLAGES. WE GIVE YOU INITIAL INFORMATION HERE IN THE TRANSMITTAL PACKAGE ABOUT PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE BEING MITIGATED, AND DIFFERENT IDEAS SPOKE IN A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TO SECURE THAT. IN THE PUBLIC BENEFIT BUT THE REGIONAL PRESERVE NETWORK, AND OUR SCHOOLS AND THE REGIONAL
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PARK ACTIVATION. THAT WERE IN THE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO WRAP UP THE PRESENTATION. WITH JUST A FEW TOUCH POINTS.WE HAD A GREAT MEETING AT THE SWITZERLAND POINT COMMUNITY CHURCH BACK IN MAY TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT.
SINCE THEN OUR CLIENTS HAVE MET ONE-ON-ONE WE JUST HELD THE COFFEE TALK MEETING AT THE LIBRARY THIS PAST SATURDAY TO JUST BEGIN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
ON WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS FAR AS BUFFERING, ACCESS MANAGEMENT, RIGHTSIZING AND ADDING PERCENTAGES TO LEAN TOWARDS THE TYPES OF USES TO DEVELOP CERTAIN VILLAGES.
WE WERE BEFORE YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY, IN JUNE AND THEY RECOMMEND TRANSMITTAL OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO YOU. AND HAVE GIVEN US A FEW POINTS TO SAY, DURING THE STAY REVIEW IT IS OUR INTENT TO BEGIN TO FINALIZE THE DETAILS. ONE OF THE COMPONENTS ONCE WE ARE ABLE TO TRANSMIT, AS WE ARE CLEARED THAT WE CAN FILE WITH THE STAFF ON CONCURRENCY REVIEW. THAT'S WHAT WE CAN GET INTO DETAILS. NOW IT'S NONBINDING TRANSPORTATION ASSESSMENTS. AS WE ARE ABLE TO FILE WITH THE COUNTY TO GIVE THE MORE DETAILED PLAN THAT I HAVE SKETCHED OUT.
THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION GENTLEMAN I BELIEVE WE HAVE ANOTHER GROUP THAT WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU.
WE HAVE QUESTIONS WITH THE PROJECT TEAM?
>> OKAY THANK YOU ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
JUST BE CLEAR WE HAVE A LIST OF INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED THEIR NAMES THAT WILL BE SPEAKING AS A GROUP IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YES WE HAVE FOLKS WHO TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE DESIGNATED PROCESS IN THE POLICY. ELIZABETH TATE, AND JOE MCINERNEY ARE REPRESENTING 35 FOLKS.
>> I BELIEVE IT IS 37, I HAVE A LIST OF 37 NAMES, SO WE WILL BE HEARING FROM MR. MCINERNEY AND MS. TATE YOU WILL BE SPEAK OF
THEM IS THAT CORRECT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON
>> I RECOMMEND THAT WE ALLOW THESE RECOMMENDERS WE ALLOW THESE PEOPLE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME I AM GOING TO LOOK AT AROUND 20 MINUTES IF THAT'S OKAY.
>> THAT IS FINE, THAT IS FINE. >> OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME AND ALLOWING US EXTRA TIME TO SHARE OUR CONCERNS AND COMMENTS. AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO SOME OF THE INPUT THAT WE PROVIDE ALONG THE WAY IS MUCH APPRECIATED. MY NAME IS BETH TATE I AM A RESIDENT AND I AM ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF TILLOTSON CREEK.
I AM REPRESENTING A LARGER GROUP OF RESIDENTS OF NORTHWEST ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WHAT WE WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU IS CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE COME UP OVER THE FEW MONTHS THAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING MORE ABOUT THE PROJECT.
SOME OF OUR CONCERNS WITH THIS. I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE YOU THROUGH DETAILS ON ALL OF THE SLIDES, I KNOW YOU HAVE SEEN THEM BEFORE AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT I WILL TRY TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE OF MOST CONCERN TO US. WE DID PRESENT SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION EARLIER.
AND WE ARE GLAD TO HEAR ALL OF THE INPUT AND FEEDBACK FROM THE GREENBRIER TEAM AS THEY LISTEN TO US.
WE STILL CONTINUE TO HAVE CONCERNS AND WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE FOR YOU THIS MORNING.
WE DO BELIEVE THAT THIS MAKES SENSE AND CONCEPT.
IT IS RIGHT, TO FILL THE WHOLE AND THE CONCERNS COME FROM IF WE COULD ACTUALLY SUPPORT IT IN WHOLE AS A GROUP OF RESIDENTS.
WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS TO WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.
THE PROPOSAL CURRENTLY OF 3500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE SIX VILLAGES, WITH THE NETWORKS OF TRAILS AND ROADS IS WONDERFUL.
IT FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE CAN LIVE AND WORK AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
IT IS LINED WITH THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, IT IS IN LINE WITH THE NORTHWEST SECTOR OVERLAY, BUT WE DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH THREE PARTICULAR AREAS. FIRST OF ALL AS A RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OF 3500 DWELLING UNITS. THIS NUMBER IS OBTAINED BY A COMBINATION OF REV B, RED SEA, AND RAISE THE PERIOD WHICH NOT KEEPING WITH THE WHOLE COMPREHENSION PLAN OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 72% OF COMMUNITIES ARE RESIDENT B. SO BRINGING IN THE MIX OF REDS SEE AND D ARE IS ALTERING THE MAKEUP OF COMMUNITIES IN THAT AREA. WE DO NOT FEEL LIKE THAT IS REALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DENSITY REVIEWED SOMEWHAT. IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE RESIDENTS, MOST OF THE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN WITH THE MAKEUP OF
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FLORIDA VILLAGE. THIS VILLAGE A MIXED DEVELOPMENT UNIT. INCLUDED IN 1.35 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NONESSENTIAL SQUARE FACE.IF THEY REQUEST MORE THAN 1.35 MILLION THEY THINK 0 HERE COMES ANOTHER LARGE SHOPPING CENTER.
HERE COMES TEARING DOWN THE TREES, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF STRIP MALLS AND MORE STORES THAT WE DON'T NEED. LOOKING AT THE PROPOSAL AND THE DISCUSSIONS. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE INTENT IS TO HAVE MORE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE SPACE AND THEIR NOT PRIMARILY RETAIL. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A FIRM COMMITMENT TO A LARGER% OF OFFICE SPACE AND RETAIL STORES.
IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A NICE OFFICE PARK WITH SOME AMOUNT OF RETAIL THAT WOULD CATER TO THAT OFFICE PARK AND WILL BRING TO EMPLOYEES THERE. THE CONCERN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS IS THERE IS CURRENTLY AN EXISTING 75-FOOT BUFFER ON THE VETERANS PARKWAY. IF THAT GETS REDUCE AND TO ALLOW A 30-FOOT BUFFER OVER LONG STRETCHES THAT DOESN'T STAY IN KEEPING WITH THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THIS FLORIDA VILLAGE. THE SECOND AREA OF CONCERN IN THE RESIDENTIAL SPACE FOR THE BRIDAL VILLAGE HAS RAISED CONCERNS BECAUSE IT IS A MIXED USE PROPOSAL.
MORE SHOPS, MORE STORES, MORE TRAFFIC.
IT WILL CONTRIBUTE MORE TRAFFIC, AND DEPENDING ON THE SOURCES THAT IS A LOT OF POSITIONAL TRAFFIC.
INTO THE EXISTING ROADS. ROBERTS VILLAGE, THE HUGE CONCERN TO THE RESIDENTS OF RBERTS ROAD.
THEY ALREADY EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC DELAYS.
BEING ABLE TO MANAGE NOT EVEN JUST DURING COMMUTE TIMES, BUT THROUGHOUT THE DAY BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH TRAFFIC ON ROBERTS ROAD. THERE ARE ANY PLANS NOR IS THIS SPACE TO WIDEN ROBERTS ROAD TO MAKE THIS AN EASIER PROJECT FOR THE RESIDENCE THERE. SO THERE IS A HUGE CONCERN ABOUT ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC HOW IT CAN BE HANDLED OUT OF ROBERTS VILLAGE UNDER ROBERTS ROAD. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE NONRESIDENTIAL SPACE AND WHAT THE INTENTS ARE.
CURRENTLY IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR WE HAVE ALMOST 12 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL SQUARE SPACE THAT IN ONLY 50% IS BUILT OUT. THE QUESTION IS WHY DO WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER 2.5 MILLION? WHAT USE DO WE HAVE THERE? JUST THINK THAT LOOKING AT THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT, WE HAVE QUITE A BIT THAT IS NOT BUILT OUT, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS WITH THE NONRESIDENTIAL SPACE IS LOCATION.
WHAT IMMEDIATELY COMES TO MIND WHEN YOU TALK TO RESIDENTS, IS MORE SHOPPING CENTERS, WHEN THEY HEAR THE 2.5 MILLION NONRESIDENTIAL THEY THINK ABOUT JT B AND THE JOHNSTOWN CENTER AND THEY THINK ABOUT DURBAN PARK AND WHY DO WE REALLY NEED YET ANOTHER LARGE SHOPPING CENTER? WITH GREENBRIER HILO BEING 4 MILES TO THE CLOSEST FREEWAY ACCESS, IT WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE UNTIL 2028, THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT THE IMPACT ON CURRENT RESIDENCE AND ANY NEW RESIDENTS COMING IN UNTIL THAT FREEWAY IS BUILT OUT. ADDITIONAL SHOPPING OPTIONS IS GOING TO CREATE MORE TRAFFIC FOR THE LOCAL ROADS.
THE 2.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET THAT THEY TALK ABOUT WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL JOBS. I LOVE THAT IDEA.
AS I MENTIONED TO EACH OF YOU, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE JOBS THAT ARE COMING TO JACKSONVILLE, COME OVER THE COUNTY LINE AND COME INTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY SO THE RESIDENTS CAN LIVE AND WORK HERE WE TOUCHED ON THIS.
TO A PERSON EVERY RESIDENT THAT I SPOKE INTO IT WHEN THEY SEE THAT SERVICE SECTOR, THERE CONCERN IS ALL THAT IS STORES THAT IS RETAIL, IT IS FAST FOOD, IT IS RESTAURANTS, THAT IS NOT GOING TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM COMMUTING.
WE DO NEED TO HELP MANAGE THE WORDS AROUND THIS AND HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THE SERVICE INDUSTRY IS BROADER.
IT DOES INCLUDES PERSONAL SERVICE, BUSINESS SERVICES, LEGAL SERVICES, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BRING JOBS HERE. WE DO WANT TO SEE A MORE FIRM COMMITMENT OF CREATION OF THOSE JOBS.
THERE IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
TO BRING THOSE JOBS INTO THE NORTHWEST ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO HAVE THE LOVELY OFFICE PARK IN THAT SPACE, WHEN THESE COMPANIES ARE LOOKING AT NORTHEAST FLORIDA, HERE IS A SPACE THAT WE CAN GO. RIGHT NOW THAT SPACE IS ALL INTO FALL COUNTY. PEOPLE COME HERE TO WORK, AND
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WANT TO LIVE IN BEAUTIFUL ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WE WOULD HAVE THE GREATEST SCHOOLS. THIS PROJECT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THAT NEWS. SO AT THE CONCLUSION AROUND THIS 2.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE UNLESS WE ARE COMMITTING TO A PLACE WHERE IT IS IN OFFICE PARK AND CAN CREATE JOBS. ALL OF THIS CONCERN WITH RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL LEADS US TO CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC. MY REVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, SEEM TO INDICATE THAT THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL 2,182 PEAK TRIPS THAT WOULD OCCUR BECAUSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.AND YES THEY HAVE IDENTIFY THE 20 IMPACT ROAD SEGMENTS.
THE WAY I READ THE STAFF STUDY AS I PREPARE FOR THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A QUESTION IF WE DO HAVE THE REVENUE, FOR BEING ABLE TO FUND OTHER PROJECTS NECESSARY.
EVEN WITH THE PROPORTIONAL FAIR SHARE THAT WOULD COME THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, IT IS NOT CLEAR THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE. THAT IS GOING TO LEAD TO INCREASES AND THAT IS A CONCERN FOR RESIDENTS.
OF PARTICULAR CONCERN TO THE RESIDENTS IN NORTHWEST ST. JOHN'S, IS THE BERKSHIRE SCENIC HIGHWAY.
THIS IS ONE OF OUR BIG JAMES IN THE COUNTY.
EVERYONE LOVES IT, BUT IT IS ALREADY OVERCROWDED.
PEOPLE WHO LIVE ALONG 13 AND THE DEVELOPMENTS AND ACT ACTUAL DRIVEWAYS CONNECTED TO 13, THEY ARE ALREADY COMPLAINING THEY CANNOT OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY SO THE COMMUNITIES.
THERE'S BEEN TALK WE CAN ADD TRAFFIC LIGHTS, IS THIS STILL IS SCENIC HIGHWAY IF WE ARE TRAFFIC LIGHTS? OF THAT BEAUTIFUL SECTION? THE TRAFFIC STUDY ONLY SPEAKS TO THE IMPACT OF TWO ROUTE 13 AND THE SCENIC HIGHWAY.
FROM RACETRACK UP TO TWO FALL COUNTY STATE.
WE KNOW IT WILL INTERACT WHICH IS ALREADY HEAVILY TRAFFICKED.
FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVED NORTH OF THE PROJECT, THERE IS ALSO A CONCERN ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH RACETRACK ROAD? SOME OF THESE IDENTIFIED SEGMENTS THAT WILL BE IMPACTED FROM BISHOP ESTATES ROAD ON RACETRACK OVER 295.
THE PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS ARE ONLY PATENT PARKWAY OVER TO BARTON SPRINGS. THAT IS NOT GOING TO HELP US ON THE OTHER SIDE. WE WILL STILL HAVE INCREASED TRAFFIC. THE OTHER SIGNIFICANT CONCERN FOR THE RESIDENTS WITH ALL OF THIS COMING TOGETHER, IS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. NOW MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS, WHEN I CHAT WITH THEM, DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE SCHOOLS CAN'T BE FUNDED, THEY CANNOT BE BUILT BASED ON AN EXPIRATORY NEEDS. THEY ARE LOOKING AT WE ALREADY HAVE SCHOOLS IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTY.
WE ALREADY SHUFFLE KIDS AROUND SCHOOLS AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO BRING AND ROLL RESIDENCE WITHOUT SCHOOLS? I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS BUT THIS IS A CONCERN TO THE RESIDENCE. HOW ARE WE GOING TO CREATE SCHOOLS AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO FUND SCHOOLS.
I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE.
>> U OF NINE AND A HALF MINUTES LEFT ON THE CLOCK.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. JOE MCINERNEY 1,005 BLACKBERRY LANE ST. JOHN'S. SO THE SLIDE HERE IN THE NEXT STEPS FOR TODAY, WE ARE TALKING TO EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS IS AN APPROVAL IS IN DENIAL, IT IS OUR HOPE IS SOMETHING MORE ADD QUESTIONS AT MEETINGS AND OTHER FACTS.
AND IT IS OUR HOPE THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN TODAY AND WE WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS TODAY.
WE DO THINK THAT APPLICATION HAS MERIT, AND IT SHOULD BE REDUCED IN SCOPE AND WE CERTAINLY GOT THAT MESSAGE FROM MRS. TATE AND THE STATISTICS AND THE ANALYSIS OF SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND UNBUILT BUT APPROVED NONRESIDENTIAL AREAS.
SO TO PROMOTE DISCUSSION, TWO DIGITS CAN YOU DISCUSSION TO GENERATE IDEAS ONE THOUGHT IS OPTIONS, WE CREATED THREE TODAY.
I'M SURE THERE ARE 20 MORE OUT THERE, THE IDEA IS THAT DISCUSSIONS RESULTED IN IDEAS AND IDEAS RESULT IN PLACES WHERE RESIDENTS CAN GO AND THAT ALL TRANSLATES INTO DOLLARS.
SO YES WE HAVE PREPARED THREE OPTIONS.
JUST TO INDICATE WHAT A DISCUSSION COULD BE.
OPTION A FOR EXAMPLE, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL 3500 HOMES THAT TWO AND A HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND RETAIL. IT IS SHOWN IN SPREADSHEET FORM HERE. TO INDICATE TO US WHERE EACH OF THOSE WOULD GO. CERTAINLY AS MRS. TATE AS INDICATED, THERE ARE CONCERNS AT 72% OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND
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YET VIRTUALLY ONE 100% WAS ASKED FOR HIS RESIDENTIAL SEAT IF NOT GREATER BECAUSE THEY WERE RISD AND MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT IS A CONCERN. THE TWO AND A HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND RETAIL, YES, I LOVE HEARING THERE IS COMMITMENT TO BRING A HIGH WAGE JOBS TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, BUT IT WILL NOT TAKE TWO AND HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET.THE LOSS OF SCENIC VETERANS. YOU START RACETRACK AND DRIVE SELF YOU HAVE A 75-FOOT NATURAL BUFFER.
BEAUTIFUL STILLWATER THAT WU BE DEVELOPING THEIR ALONG VETERANS ALSO MAINTAINS IS 75-FOOT NATURAL BUFFER.
THIS DOES NOT. IN TERMS OF OUR POLICY, THIS DOES NOT ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING AREAS WITH CONSISTENT AND APPROVED ON DEVELOPMENT.
WE REALLY DO NOT WANT TO SEE THIS PROJECT DENIED.
BEFORE THIS PROJECT IT BE GREATLY REDUCED IN SCOPE.
WITH THAT IN MIND WE DEVELOP A SPREADSHEET THAT SHOWS, FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU USE 72% FACTOR. WE WILL CALL THIS A 72-28 PLAN.
YOU LOOK AT THAT AREA AND EACH OF THOSE VILLAGES.
YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY THE APPROVED DENSITY, YOU END UP WITH 2,573 HOMES. IT IS NOT A NUMBER PULLED OUT OF THE AIR. IT IS AN ACTUAL HONEST CALCULATION. BASED ON APPROVED DENSITIES, THAT ARE CONSISTENT IN THE MANNER WITH THE BULK OF SURROUNDING AREAS. TO WIN A HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET, THAT IS A HARD NUMBER TO PUT AN EXACT FINGER ON.
IT DOES SEEM TOO MUCH. THIS SPREADSHEET SAYS THAT WHAT HAS BEEN ASKED FOR AND ROBERTS VILLAGE AND BRIDLE VILLAGE WOULD CONTINUE. BUT, ALL OF OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL WOULD BE TAKING OFF THE FLORIDA VILLAGE, FLORIDA VILLAGE WILL BECOME RESIDENTIAL. THAT FACTORS INTO CALCULATIONS THAT YOU SEE APPEARED THAT WOULD LEAD TO 2,500 -- 2,573 HOMES.
THERE IS PERHAPS MORE, MAYBE LIKE 20 MORE, BUT WE PUT ONE MORE TOGETHER CALLED OPTION C. WHICH WE CALL THE INNOVATIVE CIVIC CENTER AND PREMIER OFFICE PARK CONCEPT.
AND AS THE SPREADSHEET SHOWS, I BELIEVE THIS IS A WIN WIN SITUATION AND MAYBE THERE WERE A MORE OUT THERE.
THERE IS 3,500 HOMES, IT IS 1.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL. HOW DO WE GET THERE? WHAT THE SPREADSHEET SHOWS YOU HOW WE GOT THERE.
WE GOT THERE BY THINKING FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE SCHOOL HAS MET WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THEY HAVE INDICATED A SCHOOL SITE. BUT JUST FOR ONE MINUTE, JUST FOR A MINUTE, IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WERE HERE AT THE TABLE WITH US DISCUSSING THIS, IF THAT 40-ACRE WORK TO MOVE TO ROBERTS VILAGE, IT FREES UP 40 ACRES IN TIMBERLANDS VILLAGE FOR ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IF HILO PARK AT THE 63 ACRES WERE SWAPPED IF YOU WILL, AND MOVED UP TO ROBERTS VILLAGE, AND ALLOWED TO BE MIXED DEVELOPMENT, THAT ALLOWS 63 MORE ACRES FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF WAYS OF GENERATING WIN-WIN IF YOU WILL.
SO THAT GREENBRIER HILO, APPLICANT WINS BY GETTING THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL THAT THEY SEEK.
AND, I WOULD MIGHT ADD, I REALLY LIKE HER PRESENTATION OF THE DOLLARS THAT ARE GENERATED THROUGH DEFICIENCIES IN THE DOLLAR DEFICIENCIES. YOU KNOW WHAT 3500 HOMES, AND 1 MILLION A HALF SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL ALL OF THE DOLLARS THAT SHE PRESENTED ARE PRESENT IN THIS PROPOSAL.
BUT THINK OF NOW ROBERTS VILLAGE AS AN ACADEMIC VILLAGE OR A CIVIC CENTER. THAT HAS A SCHOOL, A LARGE DISTRICT PARK, IT HAS A FIRE AND POLICE AND LIBRARY.
SUDDENLY, YOU HAVE A NEXUS AND A NOTE WHERE EXISTING RESIDENTS FROM CUNNINGHAM CREEK IN ABERDEEN, DURBAN CROSSING, RIVERTOWN, CAN COME AND USE THESE CIVIC FACILITIES.
HOW WONDERFUL IT WOULD BE. THERE ARE ALREADY SCHOOLS LOCATED AROUND LONG LEAF PINE. SO THAT IS NOT UNUSUAL EITHER.
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THE PREMIER OFFICE PARK, 1 MILLION SQUARE FEET, IS NO LONGER ON FLORIDA VILLAGE, BUT WE PROPOSE THAT GREENBRIER VILLAGE BECOME A PREMIER OFFICE PARK WITH 1 MILLION SQUARE FEET FOLLOWING UP ON THE REPRESENTATION OF HIGHWAY USE JOBS. PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WHAT A FIRSTHAND TEST -- WHAT A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY, WE VISITED HIM IN HIS OFFICES OFF OF JGB IN CELL SIDE, BEAUTIFUL OFFICE PARK DEVELOPMENT. WITH PROPORTION THAT IS 100 ACRES, AND 1 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE.100 ACRES AND 1 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE.
GREENBRIER VILLAGE, EXCEEDS THAT ACREAGE, IT IS LOCATED OFF OF 210. IT WILL BE LOCATED OFF OF THE 210 CONNECTION DOWN TO THE FUTURE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY, AND SUDDENLY IT MAKES SENSE, RATHER THAN TO SPREAD THIS OFFICE OUT, AND CREATE TRAFFIC TO CORPORATE.
A PREMIER OFFICE THAT IS ONE IDEA, AND SO TO CLOSE HIM ON MY MINUTE AND 30 SECONDS. YES THIS HAS MERIT BUT WE THINK IT SHOULD AND CAN BE REDUCED RESPONSIBLY SO THERE IS A WIN-WIN FOR ALL THE APPLICANT, THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND US AS CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
IF THIS IS APPROVED, AS IS, THE DESIGN TEAM WILL GO BACK TO THE OFFICE AND BEGIN DEVELOPING A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT POINTS.
WHEN THEY COME BACK IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY THEY WILL CLAIM HARDSHIP. THAT IS SO MUCH TIME HAS BEEN INVESTED. IT IS TOO LATE TO MAKE CHANGES AND WHAT A TRAGEDY THAT WOULD BE.
THE TIME FOR CHANGES NOW, THE TIME FOR BETTER OPTIONS IS NOW.
I AM REALLY GOING TO ASK THIS, PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE THIS, DON'T DENY IT, BUT DON'T APPROVE THIS, PLEASE CONSIDER REMANDING THIS. THAT WILL ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS AND OPTIONS AND SEND TO THE P CA. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LOOK AT THE OPTIONS, YOU SHOULD HAVE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS PRESENTED TO YOU. LOOK AT THE OPTIONS AND RECOMMEND TO US YOUR PREFERRED OPTION.
THAT WOULD BE MY HOPE, AND BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS WE HAVE LISTED HERE. I SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU SIR. NOW THAT COMPLETES THE PRESENTATION THE REPRESENTATIVES REPRESENTED THE 37 INDIVIDUALS ON THE STUFF THAT I HAVE. SO NOW I WANT TO ASK ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS, WHO WISH TO SPEAK UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT ARE NOT ON THIS LIST OF 37 NAMES? PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM IF YOU WILL GOOD MORNING.
>> YES, I DO IS BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
ALAN WITMER, AND I RESIDE AT 1178 NATURES HAMMOCK ROAD ST. JOHN'S FLORIDA. I AM HERE TO SAY THAT YOU DO NOT GO FORWARD WITH THIS. I HAVE LISTENED TO THE PRESENTATION OF MY FELLOW RESIDENTS IN THE NORTHWEST.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, MAYBE THINGS COULD BE DONE BETTER. I WILL SAY AS A PERSON WHO HAS STOOD AGAINST TOO MUCH RAPID DEVELOPMENT, AND I HAVE LOST.
JUST ABOUT EVERY COUNT, IT IS NOT PLEASANT TO LIVE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION. I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS.
IT IS NOT PLEASANT AT ALL. IF I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH A YOUNG PERSON, MOVING INTO THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA, FLORIDA AREA, AND THEY WOULD ASK ME IF I WOULD RECOMMEND COMING TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I WOULD SAY NO THERE ARE NOT, THERE WERE TOO MANY PROBLEMS THAT DO NOT HAVE TO EXIST, FOR EXAMPLE. IT HAS BEEN POINTED OUT, THAT WE DO NEED JOBS. THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. WE HAVE NEVER HAD THAT.
IT HAS BEEN GOING ON AND ON FOR YEARS.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN THESE THINGS COME TO FRUITION.
THAT IS JUST ONE ISSUE. ON OUR ROADWAYS, OUR ROADWAYS HAVE NOT KEPT PACE WITH THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT.
IT SHOULD BE CONCURRENT IF NOT BEFORE.
BUT IT IS ALLOWED TO DETERIORATE.
SO I WOULD SAY, UNTIL SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ACCOMPLISHED, AND DONE, I WOULD NOT GO FORWARD WITH THIS.
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WE HAVE MILLIONS OF SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL.WE HAVE BEEN PROMISED ALL KINDS OF JOBS BY ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. BUT IT HAS NOT COME TO FRUITION.
I AM KIND OF FRUSTRATED TO SEE NOT VERY MANY BENEFITS THAT THESE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE COME FORWARD WITH.
NOT MANY OF THE BENEFITS, BUT MANY OF THE DOWNSIDES THAT HAVE ACCUMULATED AND THEY JUST KEEP STACKING UP.
I DO NOT KNOW, THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK WOULD STOP IT IF INTEREST RATES. BECAUSE YES, WHEN I MOVED TO FLORIDA AND THERE 20%. DOUBLE DIGIT.
THAT WILL STOP IT, THAT WILL NOT BE ANYBODY BUILDING A HOUSE.
WHEN I BUILT MY HOUSE, I HAD THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THERE WERE NO HOUSES THERE WAS 0. SO, I DO NOT KNOW, THIS COULD GO ON FOR A LONG TIME. IT IS NOT PLEASANT TO LIVE IN AN AREA, WHERE IT IS JUST BEING SO HAPHAZARDLY DEVELOPED.
THE ROADWAYS ARE HORRIBLE. LIKE SOMETHING I HAVE NEVER
SEEN, BUT THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM THREE.
>> GREAT THANK YOU SO MUCH MY NAME IS RHONDA LOVETT I LIVE ON SCOTLAND YARD BOULEVARD. GOOD MORNING IT IS GREAT TO SEE YOU. I WANT TO COMMEND THE TEAM OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB, I THINK THEY HAVE MET READILY WITH FOLKS AND RESIDENTS THAT HAVE HAVE CONCERNS AND ARE VERY OPEN TO TAKING COMMENTS.
I THINK THEY REFLECT WHAT YOU HEARD THIS MORNING.
I STILL HOWEVER HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT.
AND I THINK THE ONE WHO WORKS WITH PICTURES.
THIS IS MY PICTURE I TELL STORIES LIKE THIS.
YOU HEARD ROADS WERE DEFICIENT BEFORE THE PROJECT THOUGH ROADS WILL BE EXACERBATED AND EXTREMELY DEFICIENT AFTER THE PROJECT. SO THE PROJECT MAIN AREA OF FOCUS IS OUTLINED HERE. GRANTED THERE IS MORE THAT IS NOT IN SCOPE THAN WHAT I'VE OUTLINED HERE.
WHAT YOU CAN SEE, IS FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY DEVELOPMENT TRACKER. AS OF THIS MORNING THESE ARE THE NUMBERS FOR THE MAJOR COMMUNITIES THAT ARE IMPACTED JUST ADJACENT TO THIS PROJECT. SO, YOU CAN SEE RIVERTOWN, DOWN HERE, 1363 HOMES THAT ARE BUILT OUT OF 4500 APPROVE.
SILVERLEAF, ABOUT 1070 OUT OF 2700.
YOU CAN MOVE OVER TO GREENBRIER DOWNS, AT THE TOP, 426.
THIS ONE IS THAT IS MILLCREEK FOREST, 0 THROUGH 105, AND YOU MOVE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER 25 THROUGH 65.
IF YOU ADD IN SILVERLEAF, YOU ARE LOOKING AT 443 THAT ARE BUILT OUT OF 10,700 APPROVE. AND THEN THE TURBINE UP HERE 0 OF 2,000 OF 265. THAT RIGHT NOW IS APPROXIMATELY 16,000 HOUSES. THAT ARE NOT YET BUILT THAT YOU HAVE APPROVE. WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE 2015 STUDY, THAT WAS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, YES, WE DO IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS A GREAT COUNTY WHO WOULD NOT WANT TO MOVE HERE? DO WE NEED TO FULFILL ALL OF THAT IN JUST THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT? OR THE NORTH QUADRANT FOR THAT MATTER? NORTHEAST OR NORTHWEST, WE NEED TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT HOW THAT HAPPENS, SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THESE IMPACTS, I AM ALSO A FLORIDA MASTER NATURALIST I HAVE CERTIFICATION IN FRESHWATER SYSTEMS. AS HEADWATERS PROPAGATE THIS CONCERNS ME. WE ARE WALKING IN THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT DOWN TROUT CREEK, THERE WAS A MAJOR FISH KILL EARLIER THIS YEAR IN MARCH. TROUT CREEK IS ALREADY ON THE IMPAIRED LIST OF WATERWAYS. AS A RESIDENT THAT ENJOYS THE WATERWAYS, KAYAKING, PADDLE BOARDING, I DO ANTICIPATE, AND I DO THINK WE ALL DESERVE GREAT WATERWAYS THAT ARE NOT POLLUTED AND DO NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL IMPACTS THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.
>> LET'S JUST PAUSE PUBLIC, BRIEFLY.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO COMMEND MS. LEVITT ON HER PICTURES.
THAT WE GOT TO SEE. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.
>> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS I'M JANET PATTON AT 7265 A WHEN A CELL TO REST IN PEACE. AS CHAIR OF THE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COMMITTEE OF THE ST. JOHN COUNTY CIVIC ROUNDTABLE I WISH TO SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD A COPY OF THE LETTER THAT WE SENT TO ALL COMMISSIONERS, OPPOSING GREENBRIER AT THIS TIME. THE MASSIVE GREENBRIER PROJECT
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AS A BRIGHT FLASHING WARNING SIGNAL AT EVERY TURN.YOUR OWN COUNTY STAFF REPORTS SHINES THE BRIGHTEST WARNING OF THE MALL. AND I QUOTE.
THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE ADEQUATE REVENUE RESOURCES AT THIS TIME TO COMPLETE CAPACITY IMPROVEMENT.
NOR, IS IT ANTICIPATED THAT THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE CONTRIBUTION WILL BE ADEQUATE TO COMPLETE THESE IMPROVEMENTS".
WE BELIEVE MUCH FURTHER EXAMINATION, AND ANALYSIS NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE EVEN CONSIDERING TRANSMITTAL TO THE STATE. FOR EXAMPLE, HOW MANY ACRES NEED TO BE PAVED OVER FOR ROSE TO ACCOMMODATE THE HEAVY TRAFFIC FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE? ALMOST TIGHT TWICE HIS SIZE OF THE TOWN CENTER AND ADDITIONAL 3,500 HOUSES.
WHICH HAS BEEN EXPLORED AND DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.
HOW MANY TAXPAYER DOLLARS, WILL BE NEEDED TO SUPPLEMENT AND MAINTAIN THIS ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE? THE COUNTY DEVELOPMENT TRACKER AS WAS JUST INDICATED, AND SHOWS THERE ARE OVER 16,000 PERMITTED BUT NOT BUILD HOUSES AND THE NORTH WEST CENTER ALONE. GREENBRIER HILO IS SUNG TO THE HEADWATERS OF TROUT CREEK. WHICH IS DESIGNATED BY THE STAGES WHICH FLOWS DIRECTLY INTO THE TROUBLED ST. JOHNS.
WHAT DO YOU SURMISE THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF LANDSCAPES FROM 305,500 NEW HOMES WILL BE TO THE WATERSHED? IT IS INSIGHTFUL AND RELEVANT TO LOOK BACK ON THE 2,009 REJECTION OF GREENBRIER HILO, BY THE PCB. THE ISSUES THEN AND NOW ARE LIKE AND IS SIMILAR TO GREENBRIER HILO VISITED TODAY.
THESE ARE JUST A FEW WARNING SIGNALS AND THE TIME I HAVE ALLOTTED HERE. BUT MOST OF ALL THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS LISA MCGLYNN AND I RESIDE AT 703 PINEHURST PLACE I AM JOINED BY A NEIGHBOR PATTY SCOTT. I RESIDE AT 170.
>> I RESIDE AT 175 OCEAN RIDGE DRIVE SAINT AUGUSTINE.
>> I WANT TO SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD PATTY IS RETIRED FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY, AND SHE FOCUSES ON ISSUES LIKE WATER QUALITY, THE EFFECT ON WILDLIFE HABITATS AND FLOODING.
I ALSO HAVE A LETTER THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT TO THE RECORD FOR THE ST. JOHN COUNTY AUDUBON SOCIETY.
IN THEIR LETTER FOCUSES ON WILDLIFE HABITAT AND SPECIFICALLY ON A SURVEY THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE DEVELOPER PROPOSAL. THEY SAY THAT THE TWO WEEK WILDLIFE SURVEY IS INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO DETERMINE TO HAVE OVER 2200 ACRES OF FOREST LANDS AND ARE BEING USED AS WILDLIFE HABITAT. THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THE REGIONAL PRESERVE, IN THE PROPOSAL ARE DISCONNECTED, AND THEY DO NOT MAKE GOOD WILDLIFE HABITATS. ALSO, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS OF SAYING I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS? THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE COMP PLAN THERE MUST'VE BEEN SOME REASON WHY THIS RENT LAND WAS EXCLUDED FROM THE COMP PLAN WHEN IT WAS PUT TOGETHER. 2.1 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE, I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT WHY THAT MUCH SPACE IS NEEDED IN THIS AREA? AND JUST AS IN 2,009, THE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, AND HAVE ONLY GOTTEN WORSE, AS IT HAS BEEN CITED IN THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE STAFF HAS RAISED. AS WE WALKED IN TODAY AND LOOK AT THE BEAUTIFUL PICTURES OF THE COUNTY.
WE KNOW THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE TREASUE IS OUR CULTURE, HISTORY, OUR SCENIC COAST, OUR AGRICULTURE, AND OUR COUNTRY SIDES. THAT IS WHY PEOPLE COME HERE.
THEY DON'T COME HERE FOR COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE, OR YOU KNOW ALL OF THE HOUSES THAT WE ARE BUILDING.
WE NEED A BALANCE. WE WANT A QUALITY OF LIFE.
I THINK WE NEED A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR OUR COUNTY.
WE HAVE A COMP PLAN, WE NEED A STRATEGIC PLAN TO GO ALONG WITH THAT. OUR FOCUS NEEDS TO BE ON A BALANCE OF GROWTH, AS WELL AS QUALITY OF LIFE.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, OF HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, HOW MUCH COMMERCIAL INCLUDING RETAIL.
DO WE WANT AND HOW MUCH CAN WE SUPPORT IN THIS COUNTY? I THINK WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AROUND 10-15 YEARS FROM NOW
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AND SEE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE, STAND THE TEST OF TIME.THIS PROJECT IS JUST TOO BIG, TOO ENVIRONMENTALLY DAMAGING, TO TRAFFIC INDUCING TO MOVE FORWARD.
I DO NOT THINK IT IS TO THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTY, THANK
YES, MA'AM GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS CAMERON REMO LEG, MY ADDRESS IS 15 AND 19 STATE ROAD 13.
MY ZIP IS 32259. I DID NOT PREPARE WORDS TO COME AND TALK TO YOU ALL TODAY. BUT I DO WHAT I DO BEST, AND TALK. I LIVE ON THAT HISTORIC BEAUTIFUL SCENIC HIGHWAY STATE ROAD 13.
I HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE THEIR 1986.
WELL, ACTUALLY, I HAD MOVED THERE IN 1973 TO WHAT IS NOW A HISTORIC, A LOCAL HISTORIC HOME IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT IS IN A PARK THAT IS TWICE DESIGNATED LITERARY LANDMARK. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY.
TRAFFIC, AND OUR BELOVED ENVIRONMENT SO I CAME HERE TO TODAY. TO ASK YOU TO DENY THE PLAN.
IT'S UNTOUCHED IT'S UNCONTROLLED IT'S OUT OF HAND AND IS NOT SAFE AND LISTENING I REALIZE THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO I ASK YOU TO TAKE A STEP BACK.
COME VISIT ME, LET'S GO ON A FIELD TRIP.
COME DOWN ROBERTS ROAD AS I TAKE MY GRANDCHILDREN TO SCHOOL.
IT WILL SCARE YOU. COME WALK WITH ME, I'LL CROSS MY ROAD, TO CHECK MY MAIL. IT WILL SCARE YOU.
LET'S WORK TOGETHER WE ARE A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY, LET'S DEVELOP IT TOGETHER, IN A SAFE AND BEAUTIFUL WAY.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MA'AM.
>> GOOD MORNING 1821 CASTILLO STREET.
GREENBRIER HELD A PROPOSED TO CHANGE OF THE COMMUNITY OF THE NORTHWEST SECTOR OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOREVER.
WHEN THESE RESIDENTS DECIDED TO PURCHASE THEIR HOMES, THE ONES I SPOKE TODAY AND SPOKE ON BEHALF OF, AN INVESTMENT OF THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY THEY CHOSE THIS NORTHWEST SECTOR OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR ITS ROLE AND COUNTRY AREA KNOWING IT WAS OWNED AND IT FALLS OUTSIDE THE APPROVED AREA FOR DEVELOPMENT STATED IN OUR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, HAS A PLAN. NOW COMES THE GREENBRIER PROPERTY. IT IS SAID TO BE ENVISIONED OF A COLLECTION OF SIX VILLAGES REFLECTING THE AREA AND THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA WHAT IS THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA? IT IS STATED BY THE COUNTY AS AN AGRICULTURE ENCLAVE SCHOOLS UTILITIES AT THE INTERSECTIONS OF VETERANS PARKWAY IN LONGLEY PARKWAY. WITH GREENBRIER ROAD.
IF THIS 2.5 MILLION FEET OF NEW COMMERCIAL SPACE IS ALLOWED, THIS AREA WILL NO LONGER BE AN AGRICULTURAL ENCLAVE, IS GOING TO BE A VAGUER VERSION OF THE ST. JOHNS CONCEPT.
IT WILL BE LARGER BY ANOTHER ONE POINT ONCE MILLION SQUARE FEET.
IT IS STATED THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE OFFICE BUILDINGS AS WELL AS RETAIL. WHILE THIS IS WHAT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CENTER LOOKS LIKE. LET'S REVIEW SOME OF THE FACTS OF ST. JOHNS TOWN CENTER. IT IS STRATEGICALLY LOCATED TO SERVE THE ENTIRE JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA MARKET AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. LET'S REMEMBER, THAT THE NEW AREA THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IN IS 1.1 MILLION AREA LARGER.
IT IS A SHORT DRIVE SOUTH SIDE, MANDARIN AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
IT IS LOCATED AT I-95 AND JAY TURNER BY THE BOULEVARD.
TWO OF THE HIGHEST TRAFFIC ROADS IN JACKSONVILLE.
THEY HAD TRAVELED BY 70,000 TO 95,000 VEHICLES PER DAY.
THERE IS MORE THAN 150 STORES, WITH TWO LEVEL STORES 11 QUICK SERVICE EATERIES, 50 SITDOWN RESTAURANTS.
AND THERE IS MORE THAN 16 MILLION VISITORS EACH YEAR, IS THIS WHAT WE WANT IN OUR COUNTY TO HAVE? WHETHER IT BE OFFICES OR RETAIL OR BOTH? THAT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE, IT IS A LOT OF CARS TRAVELING BACK AND FORTH. WE ASK THESE RESIDENTS IS THIS WHAT THEY WANTED AND THEY DO NOT.
THEY DID NOT CHOOSE THIS RURAL AREA, THEY HAVE AN EXPECTATION
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THAT THE COUNTY THAT THEY LIVE IN, WOULD NOT ALLOW AN AMENDMENT AS THIS. IT WILL CHANGE THE WAY THEY ENJOY THEIR HOMES, NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT TO MENTION THE QUALITY OF LIFE. CAN THESE RESIDENTS ARE FOR THIS AMENDMENT TO CHANGE A COMMUNITY? CAN WE AS ST. JOHNS COUNTY TAXPAYERS, FOR THIS AMENDMENT TO OUR COUNTY IN A COMP PLAN I THINK NOT NOT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU.>> THANK YOU MA'AM. >> THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
THE SUGGESTION TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PCA, UNLESS YOU WANT TO DENY IT, WAS A GOOD ONE. AND THE PRESENTER SAID, THAT THE PCA APPROVE IT, YES THEY APPROVED IT, IT WAS 4-3, IT WAS NOT UNANIMOUS, THERE WERE QUESTIONS AND PROBLEMS. IF THERE WAS NOT A PROBLEM, THEN YOU WOULD NOT HAVE KIND OF A BREAKDOWN THAT YOU DID. I THINK YOU ALL NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE GOALS FOR THIS COUNTY. THEY ARE NEW GOALS.
THIS DEVELOPMENT AS STATED BY THE APPLICANT OR NO-NO, THE PRESENTER, AND THE TEAM, WILL NOT CREATE A WORLD-CLASS LIVING ENVIRONMENT. THIS IS A ANOTHER STEP, ANOTHER NAIL, TO DESTROY THIS COUNTY. AND DELIVERABILITY IN THIS COUNTY ESPECIALLY, AND THE NORTHWEST, NORTHEAST AREA, WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY.
NUMBER THREE, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE TWO PEOPLE THAT SPOKE FOR THE 35 THAT DID NOT SHOW UP TO SPEAK.
I REALLY WISH THAT ALL OF THOSE 35 PEOPLE WOULD HAVE COME IN HERE AS INDIVIDUALS AND SPOKEN ON THE RECORD, SO THAT EVERYONE, WOULD UNDERSTAND, THE CONCERNS OF ALL OF THE RESIDENTS WHO ALLOW TWO PEOPLE SPEAK FOR THEM. BECAUSE, THAT WOULD MEAN WE WOULD BE HERE UNTIL MAYBE TWO, AND WE ARE ONLY ON ITEM NUMBER THREE. I THINK WHENEVER PEOPLE SHOW UP AND TAKE THE TIME, IT MAKES AN IMPACT NOT ONLY TO ONES IN THIS ROOM, BUT TO THE ONES THAT MAY BE LISTENING.
SO I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, AND I THINK THE PUBLIC ALWAYS WHEN WE COME IN HERE, TO SPEAK UP FOR THEIR ENJOYMENT IN THIS COUNTY. BECAUSE IF YOU DO NOT LIVE IN THE AREA, YOU DON'T WALK WITH THIS LADY DOWN THE ROAD, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A TRUE OPINION OF WHAT IS GOING ON AND WHAT WILL GO ON. SO IF YOU WANT TO BE NICE, SEND IT BACK TO THE PCA AND GET ALL SEVEN OF THEM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, AND TO SOLVE IT, BEFORE THEY BRING IT TO YOU.
SO YOU CAN SIT UP HERE AND TRANSMIT IT WITHOUT SPENDING THREE HOURS ON ONE PROJECT THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC
COMMENT. >> THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR, PUBLIC, WILL CLOSE AND WILL GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT.
>> GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, ON BE HERE ON BEHALF OF KEVIN KRAMER AND JOE HILO.
BEFORE WE BEGAN OUR REBUTTAL, I WANT TO RESPECTFULLY READ SOMETHING TO YOU FROM MR. HILO, WHO IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY, HE'S WATCHING ON TV, FOR THE PROTECTION OF ALL OF OUR HEALTH, DUE TO COVID-19, CONCERNS HE IS DECIDE TO STAY AWAY. I WILL READ THIS FROM HIM.
I AM SORRY I AM ENABLED TO BE WITH YOU.
I HAD EVERY INTENTION OF BEING HERE TO MONITOR YOUR PROCEEDINGS AND ANSWER QUESTIONS IF NECESSARY.
BUT COVID-19 HAD OTHER PLANS. TODAY IS MY FIRST DAY TO BE ABLE TO LEAD QUARANTINE, WITH A FEW LINGERING SYMPTOMS, I FELT IT BETTER NOT TO RISK ANYONE ELSE GETTING SICK.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
WE HAVE WATCHED PATIENTLY AS PROPERTY AROUND US HAVE RECEIVED DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. WE HAVE OBTAINED A FEW SMALL ZONINGS, BUT WE ARE ENCOURAGED BY STAFF AND BOARD MEMBERS TO BRING THE REST OF OUR PROPERTY AT ONE TIME, SO A MORE COMPREHENSIVE EXAMINATION OF THE NORTHWEST SECTOR COULD BE DONE.
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WE ARE DEFINITELY THE HOLE IN THE DOUGHNUT, AND BELIEVE THAT NOW IS OUR TURN TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO OBTAIN THE NECESSARY DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENTS. THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR PROJECT AND THOSE ALREADY APPROVED, IS THAT OUR PLAN WILL BRING MUCH-NEEDED JOBS TO THE AREA.OUR DESIRE TO CREATE A LOCATION FOR OFFICE PARKS, MEDICAL FACILITIES, AND PLACES WHERE STN WORK AND DO BUSINESS WHILE STAYING IN ST. JOHN COUNTY. THIS WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON ROADS, AND THE AREA AND MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT FOR RESIDENTS TO MOVE AROUND. I ASKED THAT YOU VOTE TO DATE TO TRANSMIT THIS APPLICATION. DURING THE MONTH LEADING UP TO FINAL ADOPTION, I WILL WORK WITH STAFF, BOARD MEMBERS AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A FIRST-CLASS PROJECT AND A MAJOR ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY.
OUR FAMILY VIEWS THIS AS A LEGACY PROJECT, AND OUR FAMILY NAME AND REPUTATION ARE AT STAKE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU HAVE GIVEN INTO STUDYING THE PROJECT.
SO, MR. HILO MUST'VE BEEN CLAIRVOYANT.
HE HIT ON EXACTLY SOME OF THE THEMES THAT THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS HIT ON TODAY. AND I DO WANT TO THANK MS. TATE AND MR. MACK AND ORIE VERY MUCH FOR THE THOUGHT THAT THEY PUT INTO THE PROJECT. THEY HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME NT ONLY WOULD MR. HILO AND MR. CRAMER, LINDSAY HAGAR AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TEAM EVEN WITHOUT THEM.
THEY HAVE PAID FOR THE PLANNING SERVICES SO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE FELT COMFORTABLE IN REACHING OUT AND WORKING OUT WITH THE TEAM. AND THE WORLD TODAY IS TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE TRANSMIT THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND ALLOW THE TEAM TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS.
I DO BELIEVE, AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE RESIDENT COMMENTS. BUT I JUST WANT TO, AND PUT THAT OUT THAT THIS IS AN ONGOING DIALOGUE AND WE APPRECIATE THOSE RESIDENTS ESPECIALLY THOSE 37 WHO ARE ON THE LIST WHOM MS. TATE AND MR. MACHEN ALREADY SPOKEN BEHALF A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT DEVELOPMENTS AND REGIONAL IMPACT. WE HAD THOSE TOOLS UNDER FLORIDA LAW CHAPTER 380 FLORIDA STATUTES FOR YEARS.
THEY ALLOWED THOUGHTFUL MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITIES.
THEY ALLOWED THE LARGE PLANNING OF LARGE PORTIONS OF LAND OR PARCELS OF LAND TO ADDRESS THINGS LIKE ROADS SCHOOLS UTILITIES ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES ENVIRONMENTAL CRATERS ALL OF THAT TYPE OF THING. AND WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT WENT THE WAY OF THE DODO BIRD WE LOST A LITTLE BIT. AND HAVING THAT MASTER PLANNING.
ON THAT LEVEL, WITH THE LONG TERM FINDING -- BINDING AGREEMENT FOR A LONG TERM BUILD OUT A PROJECT AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROVISION THAT WENT ALONG WITH IT.
SO, HERE WE ARE, WE HAVE NOW A PROCESS THAT REQUIRES A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN A MINUTE. SO OUR TEAM HAS DONE THE BEST TO MAP OUT AND WE CAN PUT THE MAP BACK UP IF YOU DON'T MIND, TO MAP OUT WHAT USE IS RESIDENTIAL OFFICE OR WHATEVER WILL GO.
AND WHAT PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT.
THE BEST TOOL THAT WE HAVE, FOR MATCHING UP THAT PLAN, IF YOU WILL IS THE TEXT AMENDMENT. THAT IS THE ONLY TWO WE HAVE AT THIS PART, AT THIS JUNCTURE OF THE PLANNING PROCESS.
TO PROVIDE THE RESIDENTS ANY KIND OF CERTAINTY ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE FUTURE. WE CANNOT SUBMIT A CONCURRENCY APPLICATION TO THE COUNTY FOR ROADS, WE CANNOT SUBMIT A SCHOOL CONCURRENCY APPLICATION FOR SCHOOLS TO PROVIDE THAT PROPORTIONATE SHARE DOLLAR. WE CANNOT DO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE NOT DONE IT YET.
WE WILL BE DOING THAT SOON. THAT WILL BE ON THE HEELS OF THIS TRANSMITTAL SO IT THE COMMUNITY AND THE BOARD WILL HAVE A MUCH MORE FINITE PICTURE. AS MR. MACHEN ALREADY AND TAKE TALK TO THEIR PRESENTATION, WHICH WAS AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. THEY TALKED ABOUT SOME CHANGES TO VARIOUS VILLAGES. PARING DOWN UNITS, PARING DOWN USES, ALL THAT DIALOGUE WILL CONTINUE.
I YOU HEARD FROM HIM IN THE STATEMENT.
I THINK WE HAVE MR. KRAMER COME UP AND SAY THAT, WE CAN SAY ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT TEAM, THAT DIALOGUE ABOUT MAKING THIS A BETTER PROJECT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY, WILL CONTINUE.
WITH RESPECT TO ROADS, I THINK THAT THE COUNTY DEFINITELY HAS, AND WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND EVEN YEARS ABOUT DEFICIT FUNDING.
IN THIS AREA ALONE I HAVE HEARD NUMBERS OF 70-$80 MILLION WORTH OF ROADS THAT ARE DEFICIENT, ALREADY.
THEY SAID IN THE PRESENTATION AND WE CAN PULL UP THAT LINK, IF
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YOU DO NOT MY FLIPPING THROUGH, SO I CAN CONCENTRATE.BECAUSE I CANNOT FLIP AND TALK AT SAME TIME.
BE BECAUSE, SHE DID MENTION THAT THE ROADS AT OUR IMPACT BY THE PROJECT ARE ALREADY DEFICIENT. SO THE COUNTY IS ALREADY BEHIND 70 OR $80 MILLION, IN PROVIDING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY ALONE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT IS A CONCERN FOR YOU, AND THE CONCERN FOR THE RESIDENCE.
UNLESS TAXES ARE RAISED, OR SOME OTHER MECHANISM FUNDING COMES FORWARD, THE WAY TO PAY FOR THEM IS TO ALLOW PROJECTS LIKE THIS TO GO FORWARD. BECAUSE AS MS. HAGEL POINTED OUT, THIS PROJECT PROVIDES ALMOST HALF OF THE MONEY THAT YOU NEED. BY THE TIME YOU GET THROUGH MAYBE NOT HALF, BUT A GOOD SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THE MONEY THAT YOU WILL NEED TO PAY FOR THOSE DEFICIENT ROADS THAT ARE RELATED TO THIS PROJECT. SO, WE JUST ASKED FOR YOU TO ALLOW US TO CONTINUE FORWARD TO THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE.
WE WILL WORK THROUGH AGREEMENT WITH STAFFS TO AGREEMENT TO THESE ITEMS. AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. SHE DID MENTION TO YOU, ALWAYS SEE OUTER BELTWAY WILL BE HERE BETWEEN 28 AND 2,030, AND THAT WILL BE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT TO BRING PEOPLE FROM THROUGH OUR COUNTY THROUGH I-95. THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT CLOG UP THE ROADWAY NETWORK RIGHT NOW, THERE WILL ALSO BE IMPROVEMENTS TO I-95, AND I HEARD HER MENTION RACE TRACK.
THERE ARE SEVERAL DEVELOPERS WHO ARE ON THE HOOK FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO RACETRACK ROAD. YOU HAVE DURBAN PARK, THEY BOTH HAVE COMMITMENTS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO RACETRACK ROAD.
WHICH WILL BE FORTHCOMING, THEY HAVE BINDING A DEVELOPMENT ORDER, AND A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS FAR AS THAT, AND THE DOT ALSO IS GOING TO BE BUILDING A BRIDGE ON RACETRACK ROAD. THAT SPANS I-95, THAT IS ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT I HEARD ONE OF THE RESIDENTS MENTION RACETRACK ROAD. AS FOR THE SCENIC HIGHWAY, THAT IS A CONSTRAINED ROAD, AND YOUR COUNTRY ANSWER PLAN, SO YOU'VE MADE THE POLICY DECISION THAT THE SCENIC HIGHWAY, STATE ROAD 13, WILL NEVER BE WINE. AND THAT IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE IT IS A BEAUTIFUL ROAD AND A CANOPY ROAD AND WE ALL ENJOY DRIVING ON IT. HAVING A CONSTRAINED ROAD SOMETIMES THE TRAFFIC IS NOT GREAT BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY HAVE IT AT TULANE TREE-LINED ROAD. WE RESPECT THAT AND AGAIN THAT'S A POLICY DECISION THAT EVERYONE IN THE ROOM PROBABLY SPORTS.
WITH RESPECT TO SCHOOLS, ALWAYS SEE THIS PROPERTY THEY TALKED ABOUT A DISCUSSION IN THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT PROVIDING THAT SITE.
THEY ALL KNOW VERY WELL THAT THE SCHOOL HAS A PROPORTIONATE SHARE MODEL. SO IF THERE IS NO CAPACITY BECAUSE OUR SEEK COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DOES PAY THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL WILL.
AND THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WILL PAY WHATEVER IT COSTS FOR CAPITAL COSTS OF PROVIDING STUDENT STATIONS FOR THE KIDS WHO WILL BE LIVING IN THIS COMMUNITY.
SO, I KNOW THE SCHOOL BOARD CANNOT BUILD SCHOOLS BY LAW, UNTIL THEY OVERCAPACITY. THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT WE CREATED OR YOU CREATED OR EVEN THE SCHOOL BOARD CREATED.
THAT IS JUST A SITUATION THEREIN.
BUT THEY WILL BE GETTING THE FUNDING FROM THIS PROJECT AS WELL AS PROPERTY FROM THIS PROJECT, FOR THOSE SCHOOLS.
WITH RESPECT TO ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION MS. HAGEL WENT THROUGH, AND YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP THEY CONTINUOUS WETLANDS THAT WILL BE PRESERVED AS PART OF THAT ENVIRONMENTAL, AND ALSO WILDLIFE CORRIDOR THAT SPANS ALL THE WAY FROM 12-MILE SWAMP, AND THE DURBIN PENINSULA. ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THE COUNTY DOWN TO ST. JOHNS RIVER. THERE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT THAT IS IN YOUR APPLICATION PACKAGE THAT RELATES TO THAT.
SO THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS WILL BE CONTINUING.
IT WILL BE DOCUMENTED IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND.
THE COMMUNITY WILL ALSO PROVIDE FOR OPEN SPACE AND PROVIDE FOR PARKS, AND THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. WITH RESPECT TO DENSITY, I DO THINK IT BEARS NOTES THAT THE AVERAGE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT IS 2.3 UNITS PER ACRE. SO THAT IS NOT FAR FROM THE TWO UNITS PER ACRE AND THE RESIDENTIAL BE THAT SOME OF THE RESIN SPOKE ABOUT. THE TRADE OFFER THAT IS YOU ARE PRESERVING 500 ACRES OF WETLANDS.
IN THE ASSOCIATED UPLANDS, THAT PROVIDE HABITAT AND ECOLOGICAL CORRIDOR THROUGH THE COUNTY AS PART OF THE GREENWAY SYSTEM GOING FORWARD. JUST LET ME CHECK MY NOTES ONE
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TIME, AND THEN I WILL WRAP UP, BECAUSE I KNOW WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. AGAIN, WE ARE IN A TRANSMITTAL HEARING, WE WILL COMMIT ON THE RECORD TODAY, THAT OUR TEAM WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH RESIDENTS DURING THIS TIME, HOPEFULLY AFTER TRANSMITTAL BETWEEN NOW AND ADOPTION HEARING, TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE BROUGHT UP TODAY, TO WORK ON SOME OF THE MASTER PLANNING.THAT SHE HAS BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THE IN THE COFFEE TALKS AND YOUR MEETINGS WITH RESIDENTS. SO WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO PLEASE TRANSMIT THE APPLICATION, WE KNOW WE HAVE WORK TO DO, AND WE PLEDGE TO YOU TO DO IT.
AND IF WE GET BACK FROM TRANSMITTAL HEARING AND WE HAVE NOT GONE TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE BOARD, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE SPENT THE TIME AND THE MONEY, AND YOU WILL HAVE THE ABSOLUTE LEGAL RIGHT TO SAY NO AT THAT TIME.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID TO HAVE ANYTHING THAT
YOU LIKE TO ADD? >> KNOW, TO PARTNER ON THAT, THEN NEXT TO IT BY TRANSMITTING, THEN WE ARE ABLE TO FILE FOR THE CONCURRENCY APPLICATION AND WORK WITH THE STAFF AND GET THOSE DETAILS. TO COME BACK WITH A DETAILED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THAT IS VERY CRITICAL AS FAR AS INFORMATION THAT IS BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE TO COMMUNITY.
AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE AND WE THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TIME. >> WE WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTION
THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AS WELL. >> OKAY THANK YOU, ANY QUESTIONS COUNSEL OR COMMENTS? MR. WHITEHURST?
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE GOT TO SAY, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY MY BACKYARD, AND I KNOW THE AREA VERY WELL.
I WANT TO COMMEND MR. >> AND ANY AND MS. TATE FOR THE 37 NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE NORTHWEST THAT YOU ARE REPRESENTING. AND ALL THE OTHERS WHO SPOKE, I THINK YOU ARTICULATED CONCERNS VERY WELL AND I SHARE YOUR CONCERNS. I WILL SAY IF THIS WAS THE ADOPTION HEARING, I WOULD VOTE TO DENY THIS PROJECT BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US TODAY.
IN THE STAFF REPORT WE HAVE 28 LENGTHS, OF ROADWAYS AROUND THIS PROJECT THAT WILL BE ADVERSELY IMPACTED.
BY THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
THE NONRESIDENTIAL IN AND OF ITSELF, IS GOING TO BRING 37 NEW EXTERNAL PMP TRIPS. I THINK MUCH OF THAT WILL BE ON A ROAD, A STRETCH OF ROADWAY THAT VETERANS, EVEN AFTER A FOUR LANE AND LONGLEAF TO COUNTY ROAD 210.
WHICH IS ONLY BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE 2800 TRIPS.
SO, I WOULD NOT ENTITLING SOMETHING ON A ROAD THAT WILL INSTANTLY BE OVERCAPACITY? THAT IS A CONCERN THAT IS WEIGHING HEAVILY ON ME RIGHT NOW.
PARKS, RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE, THERE HAS BEEN MENTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE NUMBER OF TIMES, AND THAT SECTION OF THE STAFF REPORT. IT SAYS OBJECTIVE F.ONE.THREE REQUIRES A MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. I WILL CUT TO THE CHASE, IT SAYS THE 3500 DWELLING UNITS ARE THE FOLLOWING.
AND THE TOTAL ACREAGE REQUIRED, TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, IS 235 ACRES OF PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.
MS. HAGER HOW MANY ACRES ARE BEING PROVIDED IN THIS COMMUNITY PARKS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED IN ALL OF VILLAGES? DO YOU KNOW THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS? OKAY I WOULD APPRECIATE AN ANSWER THERE.
OBVIOUSLY WHEN I HAVE HAD CONVERSATION WITH STAFF, AS IT RELATES TO TRANSPORTATION, WE DO HAVE $80 MILLION WORTH OF TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, AND ROADS THAT TOUCH THIS PROJECT.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE OVERCAPACITY STRETCHES OF STATE ROAD 13, SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE MY BASIC CONCERNS, I SHARE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS OF COMMUNITY. AND I GUESS PENDING THIS ANSWER
IN THE PARKS. >> THANK YOU, I BELIEVE IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT CARRIES FORWARD THE INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED IN THE APPLICATION. THAT POLICY PROVIDES A LEVEL OF SERVICE ARE BASED ON POPULATION. SO WITHIN THE PROJECT SPECIFICALLY, ITSELF, WE WILL BRING IN A MINIMUM ACREAGE SPACE ON THE POPULATION. IT WILL BE ABOUT 50, 51 OR 52 ACRES ON SITE. THE REMAINING DISTRICT PARK ACREAGE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE IS MET WITH THE EXISTING PARK LAND THAT IS AVAILABLE IN THE COUNTY. SO AGAIN WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE COUNTY'S LAND RICH AS YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THIS IS AN ACREAGE BASE. SO WE HAVE AND WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS HELP ACTIVATE THAT LAND. SO WILL ACTIVATE PARKS
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INTERNALLY MEETING ACREAGE AND PUTTING THE GEAR AND THE PARTS IN THE FIELDS IN IT. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO PARTNER ON THAT REGION SIDE THERE. SO SOME OF IT IS A MIXTURE OF ON-SITE AND OFF-SITE EXISTING PARKLAND THAT MEETS THE LEVEL OFSERVICE. >> WE HAVE THE ACREAGE?
>> WE HAVE ACREAGE CORRECT AND INTERNALLY RECEIVE A 52 ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT AND THEY WILL PUT IN THESE AMENITIES GEARED FOR THAT.
>> I KNOW TO BUILD A REGIONAL PARK IS ABOUT $30 MILLION.
SO AGAIN THAT WILL BE ANOTHER EXPENSE.
PERHAPS YOU CAN ACTIVATE THAT THE 62 AGES THAT WE HAVE.
AGAIN THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE WEIGHING AGAINST ME RIGHT NOW. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT. HE GOT ME SOME NUMBERS.
AS TO HOW MANY DEPUTIES YOU WOULD NEED TO KEEP THIS IN A, AND THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS ABOUT 1.5 PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS. THIS DEVELOPMENT AS IT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED WE HAVE 10,000 RESIDENTS.
IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE TRAINING BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $3 MILLION IN ANNUAL EXPENSES.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS AROUND THE SAME.
SO AN ADDITIONAL $6 MILLION IN ANNUAL EXPENSE TO KEEP THESE RESIDENTS SAFE. IN THE COMMUNITY.
THAT IS ALSO SOMETHNG THAT I AM CONSIDERING.
COULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY MR. MCINERNEY AND THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THE HEADWATERS OF TROUT CREEK BEING ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT? I KNOW YOU HAVE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS AND THE ENVIRONMENT THE MAKEUP OF THE COMMUNITY.
>> SURE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT PACKAGE, THEY HAVE THE REFERENCE DID NOT INCLUDE A CONNECTION TO ANY IMPAIRED WATERWAYS. WE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY NORTH OF TROUT CREEK WHERE IT LIES. THAT IS SOUTH ON STATE ROUTE 13 SO YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CONNECTION.
SO THAT IS NOT THAT DIRECT CONNECTION.
IN THE DRAINAGE OF PRE-AND POST REGARDING THE WATERFALL QUALITY WITHIN THE CODE STANDARDS. WE DO PROVIDE FOR THAT MINIMUM OF 500 ACRES TO SET ASIDE. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT PRESERVATION OF OPEN SPACE, SO IT IS THAT THREE-PRONGED.
GEOGRAPHIES NOT DIRECT CONNECTION, WITH THE PRESERVE NETWORK, AND WE WILL DESIGNED TO IMPROVE WATER QUALITY THROUGH
MASSIVE STORMWATER SYSTEMS. >> I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION, THE SORT OF THE LESSENING THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT THAT MR. MCINERNEY PROPOSE HAVE THEY CONSIDERED LESSENING THE SCOPE OF THE RESIDENTIAL FACTOR? I KNOW YOU HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO THE
ATTENTION. >> YES THERE'S BEEN GREAT HEADWAY ON COFFEE TALK THIS PAST SATURDAY ABOUT WAYS TO ACHIEVE THAT. WE TALK ABOUT SCALE, THE PRESENTATION FOCUSED ON THE FLORIDA VILLAGE.
THE CURRENT PROPOSAL AND HOW WE CAN SCALE THAT CORRECTLY.
WE ARE TRYING TO PUT IN A RANGE OF PERCENTAGES SO WE CAN DELIVER THOSE JOBS. AND THEY HAVE AGREED TO THAT SO WE SEE THAT, AND IS ALSO SAID THOSE USES FOR FLORIDA FOR JUST BE THOSE TYPES OF JOBS. OFFICE, FLEX MEDICAL THAT WE SEE IN A MINIMAL OF RETAIL. THERE WILL HAVE SOMEONE TO GET A SANDWICH MAY BE BUT THAT THE IS THE INTENT.
SO HE HAS ECHOED IN HER THOSE CONCERNS AND IS LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THAT IN THOSE TYPES OF USES AND SCALING ON IT.
THAT NEXT STEP I WOULD SAY, ON CONCURRENCY, HAS TO EXAMINE THAT SPECIFICALLY. THAT'S WHERE THE RUBBER WILL MEET THE ROAD. WE HAVE TO SHOW BY THE PARCELS, FOR THE STAFF TO KNOW EXACTLY WHICH USES ARE WHERE FOR TRIP DISTRIBUTION. THAT'S WHERE YOU WILL SEE IT IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE APPLICATION OF SCALING BY VILLAGE TO EACH AREA. BECAUSE WE GET INTO HOW THE TRAFFIC MOVES AND WHERE IT GOES AND WHERE THE CHIPS ARE DISTRIBUTED ON THE ROADWAY NETWORK.
YOU WILL SEE THEM FIRST. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> OKAY COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I KNOW THIS IS THE FIRST BITE OF THE APPLE.
SO THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL SO THERE IS A LOT THAT CAN'T BE DISCUSSED AND SHOULD NEED TO BE IF THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD.
I CONSIDER THIS INFILL PROJECT THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
IT IS AN AREA THAT IS SURROUNDED BY A BELTWAY OR SOON TO BE SURROUNDED BY A BELTWAY. THAT WILL COMMAND A CHANGE IN THE ENVIRONMENT. I AM GOING TO SAY AND I SAID THIS IN PRIVATE AND I SAY PUBLICLY IT MUST BE DONE CORRECTLY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES. AND THAT IS A CONCERN.
BUT I DO NOT WANT TO EXACERBATE IT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY DEEP CONCERN OF MINE ESPECIALLY FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST IS ARTICULATED OTHER CONCERNS. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IS IF MR. WYNN WOULD COME AND PRESENT WHAT ARE YOUR PROJECTED
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PRELIMINARY PROJECTED PORTION IN FAIR SHARE PROJECTIONS.THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IN HELPING ME.
>> GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONS.
FOR THE RECORD FONDLY TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT AND TECHNICAL DIVISION MANAGER. I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE APPLICANT'S MAP, THEY HAVE PRETTY GOOD MAPS HERE.
THAT PROVIDE PRETTY GOOD DEPICTION OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. I THINK I WILL START WITH THIS MATTER. SO RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE IS IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS, WE HAVE PRIOR TO TRANSMITTAL.
AND THAT TRANSMITTAL WE DO NOT EVALUATE THE IMPACT YET.
BUT IN ANTICIPATING A LARGE SCALE LIKE THIS, FOR YOUR EVALUATION, WE HAVE ANALYZED A PRELIMINARY IMPACT TO THE SYSTEM. SO WHAT YOU HAVE LOOKED AT HERE, IS THAT I WILL CUT IT BRIEF, TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE IMPACT TO ONLY THREE SEGMENTS WHERE AS EITHER ACCESS, DIRECTLY ACCESS, ARE THE THREE IS LONGLEAF PINES. WHICH IS FROM VETERANS PARKWAY WEST, DOWN TO ROBERTS ROAD. THE OTHER ONE IS GREENBRIER FROM LONGLEAF PINE TO BASICALLY TO TEN.
AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS ROBERTS ROAD.
JUST LONGLEAF PINE SEGMENT AND GREENBRIER ALONE IS APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 55 MILLION IN ORDER TO EXPAND IT FROM A TWO LANE MOVING ROADWAY TO A FOUR-LANE ROADWAY.
IF YOU INCLUDE ROBERTS ROAD, WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY RECOMMEND AND WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON THREE LANE SEGMENT, THAT IS JUST PURELY FOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. NOT TO PASS AN IMPROVEMENT.
THAT COST IS APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 25 MILLION.
SO IN TOTAL FOR THE THREE, ALONE, WE ARE LOOKING AT A MINIMUM OF ABOUT 80 MILLION. IN TERMS OF WHAT THE APPLICATION HAS PROPOSED, BASED ON THE APPLICATION, BASED ON THE ASSESSMENT, THEY LOOK AT A PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE OF APPROXIMATELY 21 MILLION. CURRENTLY WHAT WE EVALUATED, WE ARE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY BETWEEN 28 AND 45 MILLION FOR THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE. THAT NUMBER IS A PRELIMINARY NUMBER THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK FURTHER INTO RIGHT-OF-WAY AVAILABILITY AND WE LOOK AT POND SIZE AVAILABILITY, AND WE LOOK AT DESIGN, WHETHER WE HAVE THAT WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT, THAT MAY CHANGE SLIGHTLY DEPENDING ON ONCE WE HAVE FURTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK INTO THAT. ALSO, IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THESE HIGHLIGHTED SEGMENTS, THESE ARE POTENTIAL PROGRAMS OR ALLOCATED OR COMMITTED IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN FINANCIALLY SECURE.
SO, WHEN WE EVALUATE FOR PROPER SHARE, WE ONLY LOOKED AT SEGMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN FINANCIALLY SECURE TO BE COUNTED AS ALREADY IN PLACE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SEE VETERANS PARKWAY. IT IS GOING TO BE EXPANDED TO FOUR LANES, AND A SHORT SEGMENT OF LONGLEAF PINE EAST, VETERANS, TO EXPAND TO FOUR LANES. THOSE TWO SEGMENTS ARE CURRENTLY CONSIDERED AS FINANCIALLY SECURE.
BECAUSE CURRENTLY BOTH ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
HOWEVER, VETERANS EXTENSION, A PORTION OF IT, IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR TWO LANES. BUT THE FOUR LANES HAS NOT BY FINANCIALLY SECURE. I, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH RIVERTOWN DEVELOPMENT, LOOKING AT DESIGNS FOR THE FOUR-LANE.
NOT UNTIL THIS FINANCIALLY SECURE, THAT WE CONSIDER THAT AS BASICALLY IMPROVED OR EMPLACED. FOR EXAMPLE, ALSO IS THAT TO TEN, FROM BOOK GREENBRIER TO CIMMARON.
IT IS CURRENTLY BEING COMMITTED BY SHEARWATER TO PROVIDE APPROXIMATELY OVER 20.1 MILLION. CURRENTLY WE BASICALLY HAVE BASICALLY COLLECTED APPROXIMATELY 12 MILLION THUS FAR. FOR THAT SEGMENT HERE.
WE ANTICIPATE THE COST ABOUT 25 TO 26 MILLION.
SO, IF SHEARWATER SOMEHOW, FAILED TO PROVIDE THE LAST COMMITMENT, TO CHECK FOR THE BALANCE, THEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE
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THE ENTIRE ORDER TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION OF 210 FOR EXAMPLE.SO THAT'S WHY I AM TALKING ABOUT IN SLEEP FINANCIALLY SECURE.
SO THAT CHANGE THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE OF GREENBRIER, SUCH AS TO PROVIDE A T.
ON ANOTHER NOTE, IS THAT THE IMPACT OF FOREST COAST EXPRESSWAY. I HEARD THAT THE IMPACTS OF FOREST COAST EXPRESSWAY IS GOING TO REMOVE ALL OF THE TRIPS FROM PUTNAM COUNTY TO THE OTHER COUNTY NOT NECESSARILY.
FOREST COAST EXPRESSWAY CROSSING THE BRIDGE, CROSSING THE COUNTY, THIS BRIDGE IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND IS GOING TO COME OUR WAY. BUT, THE ANTICIPATED REVENUE PROJECTION FROM DOT IS LOOKING AT ONLY 15-25%.
BECAUSE THERE IS A TOLL AROUND, SO WE HAVE MODELED THE REDUCTION ON 210 PRIMARILY, THE RESIDENTS FROM CLAY COUNTY, WOULD GO TO THE BRIDGE 13 TO 16, TWO TO TEN EITHER ALL THE WAY I 95.
OR NOW, THEY MAKE A LEFT HERE IN ORDER TO GET TO 9B.
THAT VOLUME ALONG THAT STRETCH OF ROADWAY, WE ANTICIPATE APPROXIMATELY 15% REDUCTION. NOT A COMPLETE REDUCTION.
NONE OF THE OTHER SEGMENTS HERE, VEERAN EXTENSION, GREENBRIER, OR LONGLEAF PINE, IT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE REDUCED.
MAYBE VERY SLIGHTLY FOR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE NEAR THE CONNECTION HERE. TO FOREST COAST EXPRESSWAY.
POSSIBLY HALF OF THE RIVERTOWN OR WHATEVER IT IS GOING TO BE CONNECTED TO 16A, THAT MAY REDUCE SOME OF THE IMPACT OF 210. BY THEN, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A 6,000 UNITS HERE.
THAT IS GOING TO FILL UP THAT GAP, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO USED TO TEN TO GET TO I-95. OR THEY WILL USE LONGLEAF PINE, TO GET TO THERE. SO WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE TBL, ON SPECIAL PROJECTS, TO LOOK AT THE IMPACT, AND UPDATE THE IMPACT OF THE EXPRESSWAY TO LOCAL COLLECTOR ROADS.
AND WE WOULD HAVE THE FINDINGS APPROXIMATELY FIVE SPRING OR SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR. AND THEN AT THAT TIME WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER PITCHER OF THE REAL IMPACT, BECAUSE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT TO ANTICIPATE THE PROGRAM IMPROVEMENTS FOR OUR COUNTY ROADS. AND LASTLY I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING UP A POINT.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AMENDMENT YOU HAVE THE WIDEST DISCRETION. TO MAKE A DECISION.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO TRANSMIT IT, THEN AND LET THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE AN UPPER HAND.
IF YOU REQUIRE THEM TO COME BACK TO PCA, AND WORK WITH RESIDENTS.
THEN, I THINK YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER CHANCE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF MUTUAL AGREEMENT AND RESOLUTION TO BRING TO THE TABLE. OTHERWISE THEY WILL STILL HAVE THE UPPER HAND AND MOVING FORWARD.
SO THAT'S WHAT I AM, THAT IS JUST MY SUGGESTION.
I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT POINT. UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS TO MR. SMITH? >> I DO, IF YOU DON'T MIND, YOU ACTUALLY BEGIN TO DETAIL A LITTLE MORE IN REGARD TO SHEARWATER CONTRIBUTION IN REGARD TO 210 AND ITS IMPROVEMENTS. WHAT ABOUT VETERANS PARKWAY AND RIVERTOWN'S CONTRIBUTION TO MAKING IT FINANCIALLY SECURE? HOW MUCH FURTHER MUST THEY GO IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT SEGMENT BE FINANCIALLY SECURE OR LABEL THAT? I SAW A NUMBER A LITTLE WHILE AGO IT LOOKS LIKE THE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OVER 25% BUILT OUT. IS THERE A CERTAIN THRESHOLD THAT THEY GET TO? WHERE VETERANS PARKWAY WILL
BECOME FINANCIALLY SECURE? >> THE COMMITMENT BY RIVERTOWN IS ONCE THE EXCEED 23 PLANTED LOTS, THEN NEED TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION OF VETERANS EXTENSION AND EXPANDED TO FOUR LANES. THEY CURRENTLY BELIEVE ARE PLOTTED AROUND 15 OR 1800 NUMBERS.
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BUT, THEY ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON DESIGN AND WORK WITH US ESPECIALLY ALSO WITH COUNTY ENGINEERING TO LOOK AT IMPROVEMENTS OF A FOUR-LANE. TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM LONGLEAF PINE TO THE CONNECTION AND TO TEN.SO, THAT IS ONGOING, BUT WE DO NOT CONSIDER FINANCIALLY SECURE UNTIL THEY FINISHED DESIGN AND POST A BOND FOR THE
CONSTRUCTION. >> THANK YOU, I JUST WANT TO SAY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT IS WHY IT IS NEEDFUL TO BE SYSTEMATIC AND REGIMENTED, AND HOW THESE ARE REPROACH, SO YOU DON'T OVERSTEP OR LEAPFROG PROJECTED PROJECTS, AND COMPROMISE THEM. OR HAVE A THREAT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. I AM ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT THAT GREENBRIER IS A PLACE THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED, IS A MATTER OF WHAT, AND WHEN THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
IT IS TO HAVING THE ADDRESS OF THESE DEFICIENCIES THAT WAS MY POINT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH THANK YOU
MR. CHAMBERS. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SMITH WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER WALTER NEXT.
>> YES IF YOU COULD PUT UP THE SLIDE WITH THE ROAD DEFICIENCIES. I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN TOUCHED ON QUITE A BIT. THE DOWNSIDE IS A LOT OF COURSES BEEN ANSWERED. WITH ALL THE COMMITMENTS? YES SO THIS MATT FILLS THIS DEFICIENCIES AND THE LIST FILLS IN WHICH SPLIT BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND THE YELLOW, THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE HYBRID, AND THAT BAND OF SEVEN IMPROVEMENTS.
I WILL POP ON HERE THE BLUE, SO THIS SHOWS US, AGAIN BUILDIN ON THE MAP. 2020 APPROVED AND COMMITTED TRAFFIC FOR GREENBRIER ARRIVES, THERE IS A LIST OF DEFICIENCIES.
ADD IN HILO PROJECT TRAFFIC, THE LISTED DEFICIENCIES OF THE SAME.
WE LAYER IN THE COMMITTED IMPROVEMENTS, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW. TO A LITTLE BIT OF MORE DETAILED THAN WHAT MR. WAYNE PROVIDED. BUT WE ANALYZE THE SYSTEM OF ALL THE COMMITTED WHERE THERE IS MONEY COMMITTED TO THE PROJECT TO CREATE THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.
THAT MEANS WE ARE CALCULATING ON ROADWAYS THAT COULD BE REMOVED.
IT IS ALL NONBINDING, AND WHERE WE ARE IN TRANSMITTAL.
AND HOW IT WILL GO INTO CONCURRENCY LEVEL, AND THAT'S WORK AS SPECIFIC AS THE IMPROVEMENTS.
SOME OF THE ROADS WE TALKED ABOUT, AND I WILL PAUSE.
BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BRING UP THE MAPS.
YOU WANT TO CONTINUE ON? >> THE QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU IS, ALL OF THESE PROJECTS JUST LIKE IT WHEN HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN, AND MISS ELLEN HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN.
IF I APPROVE ANOTHER SUBDIVISION, DOESN'T IT SLOW DOWN THE THREAT SHOWED THAT THEY MEET TO PAY THEIR PORTION OF
FAIR SHARE? >> AS FAR AS YOU ME WHEN THEIR
MARKET. >> WELL IF YOU PUT ANOTHER 3500 LOTS ON THE BOOKS, AND START SPREADING OUT THE DEVELOPMENT, SHEARWATER SLOWS DOWN, EVERYONE OF THEM SLOWS DOWN.
SO THEY ARE REACHING THE PROPORTION THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE WAR TO INCREASE. SO IT IS A TIMING ISSUE ON THAT.
TO ME, YOU KNOW I FEEL BAD HE IS THE LAST ONE TO COME.
BUT TO ME IT IS A TIMING ISSUE THAT WE ARE DOING NOTHING BUT KEEPING AND ADDING DEVELOPMENTS WITH NOBODY GET TO THE POINT TO HAVE TO PAY FOR. I KNOW MR. HILO IS NOT A DEVELOPER HE'S THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
HE SOLD THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS OUT.
BUT THAT IS AN ISSUE AND I TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT IT BEFORE.
I JUST FEEL THAT WE KEEP APPROVING AND IMPROVING, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A 2050 PLAN. IN THAT ROAD IS NOT GOING TO BE DONE TILL 2030. BY THE TIME WE GET TO 2030 THAT NUMBER MAY BE 20352040 DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE MORE UNITS ON THE MARKET. AND THAT IS THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE THERE. THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE, I DID THE AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO COME AND GIVE US AN ESTIMATE ON WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION.
AND TO RUN IT. IF YOU DO NOT MIND.
>> JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT MARKET ABSORPTION AND WE CAN TAKE IT OVER TO THE FIRE CHIEF. THAT IS IMPORTANT POINT.
>> RIGHT AND THAT'S WHY AGAIN COMMISSIONER WALDRON.
I REPRESENT THE RIVERTOWN COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A MODIFICATION APPLICATION IN THE SYSTEM THAT WILL COME TO YOU SHORTLY. THAT ACTUALLY THE FIRST THRESHOLD FOR THAT SEGMENT FOR VETERANS PARKWAY 210 GOING TO LONGLEAF PINE IS IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW.
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THEY ARE TRYING TO BUILD THIS ROAD AS QUICKLY AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. BEFORE THEY REACHED THE THRESHOLD. BECAUSE THE COVERT -- COVID-19 CUT EVERYBODY BY SURPRISE. SO THEY ARE DOING THEIR PART OF VETERANS PARKWAY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE HOPEFULLY WITH THE BOARD'S HELP IN THIS COUPLE OF WEEKS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.TO MAKE IT HAPPEN ON EXPEDITED MANNER.
BUT I DO NOT HAVE ANY CLIENTS WHO WERE DEVELOPERS WHO WERE TO SHIRK THE RESPONSIBILITY. I THINK THE PROBLEM AND I ALLUDED TO IT TODAY. WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE DOCUMENTS THAT PROVIDE TIMELINES AND DUE DATES AND ALL OF THAT THING. AND THE CONSTRUCTION OBLIGATIONS, IT IS DIFFICULT FOR THE SYSTEM TO WORK.
WE WILL HAVE A PROPORTIONATE SHARE AGREEMENT AND TIMELINES FOR MAKING PAYMENTS AND PROPORTIONATE SHARE IN THE TYPE OF THING. WE WORK THROUGH THE PUT THE SET
UP. >> THAT GETS THE POINT OF TIMING AND COMMISSIONER SMITH POINT BONE BEING MEANINGFUL AND CONSISTENT. THE GILLICK CALCULATIONS THAT ARE WALK-THROUGH GIVES ONE EXAMPLE OF THE PROJECT BRINGING FORWARD $20 MILLION AND HOW FAR THAT CAN GO TO GET THAT IMPROVEMENT COMPLETED. THAT IS IT A EXISTING DIFFERENCING OUT TO GO TO FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES AT THE FANTASY REMAINS THE SAME. GO TO TWO TO FOUR LANES RATHER THAN CREATING ANOTHER WHINING FROM FOUR TO SIX IT IS REALLY CRITICAL TO UNDERSTAND THAT. ANOTHER ONE HE MENTIONED WAS GREENBRIER ROAD AND HAVING THAT EXPANSION AND HE CAN SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT AS YOU KNOW CONCURRENCY OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT MITIGATE FOR THEIR IMPACTS.
THERE WAS A POLICY DECISION IN 2018.
BUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES REQUIRE SITE OPERATION ANALYSIS AND CORRECT THOSE ISSUES.
YOU WILL SEE THAT HAPPEN AT THE INTERSECTIONS OF LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY AND GREENBRIER ROAD. THAT IS IMPORTANT TO HELP TRAFFIC FLOW ON FOR, AND MAKING THAT IMPROVEMENT THAT WILL CORRECT THE DEFICIENCY AND THOUGH THERE WILL BE A CURE FOR THE DEFICIENCY. THOSE ARE VERY SPECIFIC DETAILS, AND WE ARE HAPPY TO SPEND TIME HERE AND DEFINITELY THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN THE CONCURRENCY AGREEMENT.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO TALK ON THAT I'VE KNOW ARE YOU
CALLED ON THE FIRE CHIEF. >> THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE IT BEING DEFICIENT, IS LIKE SAYING YOU HAVE A LEAKY BUCKET IN THE WATER ADD WATER TO IT. IT DOES NOT SOLVE THE LEAK.
YOU ARE NOT, YOU ARE ADDING TRAFFIC TO DEFICIENT ROAD BUT SAYING IT IS NOT AN ANSWER TO BE FOR THE DEFICIENCY.
WE DO NOT CREATE, IT DOES NOT CREATE A NEW DEFICIENCY, THE COUNTY THEN DOES NOT HAVE A NEW ROADWAY SECOND THAT COMES DEFICIENT NOR SET DEFICIENCY CHANGE FROM TWO TO FOUR WHICH IS THE CURE NOW REQUIRED TO GO FROM FOUR TO SIX.
WITH THE OTHER PROJECT YOU HAVE THE DEFICIENCIES.
AND NO PARTNERSHIP AVAILABLE FOR THAT LINK FOR THE SYSTEMATIC IMPROVEMENT. WITH OUR PROJECT WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE ROADWAY FUNDS THAT KEEP AN ADVANCE THAT IMPROVEMENT.
SO THAT IS THE POINT WE ARE SAYING THERE IS DEFICIENCY PITCHER REMAINS THE SAME WITH OR WITHOUT US AND WE ARE ABLE TO
CONTRIBUTE. >> UNLESS YOU ARE THE ONE
TRAFFIC. >> YES UNLESS WE ARE THE ONE IN
TRAFFIC. >> I JUST WANT TO GET AN ESTIMATE ON WHAT YOU ALL. I KINDA KNOW WHAT THE ESTIMATE
IS. >> YOU ARE CORRECT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, FOR US TO PROPERLY STAFF AND OPERATE THE FIRE STATION, WOULD BE ABOUT $3 MILLION ANNUALLY.
>> THANK YOU. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS FOR LEGAL, DURING THE DISCUSSION ON PARKS AND WERE, AND COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST BROUGHT UP, THEIR ANSER WAS THEY ARE USING A LAND FROM A REGIONAL FACILITY, AS PART OF THEIR RECREATION.
IS THAT ALLOWABLE? I MEAN, WHEN WE BUILD IT WILL BE DEFICIENT. IN THAT AREA.
>> SURE IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THERE IS NOT A PARSED EFFICIENCY, SO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND WE ESTIMATE HOW MANY RESIDENTS THERE GOING TO HAVE. YOU HAVE THE ACREAGE AVAILABLE.
SO THERE IS NO DEFICIENCY THAT IS THERE.
THE OTHER PART TO PARKS UNLIKE ROADS, YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE THEN THE ADDITIONAL ACREAGE FOR COMMUNITY PARKS AND BUILD THAT.
PRIVATE DEVELOPERS WILL BUILD THAT TO SATISFY THAT.
THE ACREAGE WILL NOT ACTIVATE THE PARK.
SO WHAT WE RECOGNIZE BEYOND THAT IS WE DON'T CREATE A DEFICIENCY.
IT IS TO SAY, LET'S PARTNER AND HAVE ACCESS PROVIDED TO THE REGIONAL PARK. SO AS IT IS NOW WE WILL FILE THINK OF CURRENCY. AND WE CHECKED THAT BOX WHICH YOU HAVE FOR RESIDENTS. IN UF FEES AND TAXES TO ACTIVATE
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WHICH WOULD BE ON SITE IMPROVES. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROJECT IS TRANSMITTED AND THEY HAD NOT REMANDED BACK, BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO SAY IS I WANT TO ECHO COMMISSIONER SMITH'S COMMENTS.
IT IS INTERESTING, THIS IS MY FIFTH YEAR ON THE COMMISSION, AND PROBABLY THE MOST THORNY PROBLEM IN MY OPINION FOR ME PERSONALLY IS THAT IN THIS EXAMPLE MR. HILO DID NOT CREATE THE DEFICIENCY THIS DEFICIENCY WAS CREATED OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. AN STAFF IN PREVIOUS COMMISSIONS. IF THAT WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
CONCERNED CITIZENS. I HOPE THAT THE CONCERNED CITIZENS, AND THE APPLICANT WILL WORK TOGETHER, TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A THE BEST SOLUTION AND MAYBE THERE IS NO BEST SOLUTION, MAYBE THERE IS A LEASE FOR SOLUTION TO DEAL WITH WHAT IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG PROBLEM FOR ALL OF US.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS APPLICATION FOR ME IN THIS INSTANCE, IS WHAT ISSUE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IS THE ROADWAY DEFICIENCY. IF WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE, I WILL BECOME MUCH MORE AMENABLE TOWARDS LEADING TOWARDS APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT.
RIGT NOW, IT IS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, IN ONE FASHION OR ANOTHER. SO I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
>> COMMISSIONER SMITH JUST TO KNOW, YOUR POLICYMAKING REPORT, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH EACH COMMISSIONER AND WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND JUST IN THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.
IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO AVOID A SITUATION LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE. IF YOU WOULD ALLOW APPLICANTS TO APPLY FOR TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY, CONCURRENTLY, WITH COMP PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATIONS.
THAT WAY WE WOULD NOT BE BEFORE THIS BOARD TALKING ABOUT NUMBERS. THAT, THAT SHOULD NOT OCCUR.
WE SHOULD HAVE ALREADY HAD A DIALOGUE OF WHAT THE IMPACT OF ROADWAY SEGMENTS ARE. WHAT THE ESTIMATED IN AGREED-UPON PROPORTIONAL SHARE RISK.
SO YOU CAN BUDGET AND WE CAN BUDGET FOR INCOME FORWARD TO YOU WITH A SOLUTION. INSTEAD OF COMING FORWARD AND SAYING OUR ONE HAND IS TIED BEHIND OUR BACK.
BECAUSE WE CANNOT APPLY FOR PROPORTIONATE SHARE.
THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYONE, AND THE LAND OWNER COMMUNITY THAT WOULD OBJECT TO THAT. IT GIVES US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT FINANCES, MUCH EARLIER IN THE PROCESS.
>> OKAY WILL GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER SMITH.
>> I HATE TO DISTURB HIM AS THE CHAIRMAN IF YOU HAD SOMETHING HE
WOULD SAY. >> NO GO AHEAD I'LL SAY MY
COMMENTS. >> I JUST HAD A QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP HERE AND IT'S A DECISION THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE CONFRONTED WITH. WHETHER TO TRANSMIT OR TO HAVE A CHOICE OF WE MEETING BACK TO THE PCA.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER THAT IS.
BUT IS THERE A BENEFIT OF ONE ABOVE THE OTHER? CAN THEY HELP WITH THAT? I KNOW HE MADE A STOUT COMMENT, THAT HE WON'T GIVE ADVANTAGE OVER THE OTHER, CAN I HAVE SOME
INSIGHT? >> SURE, I AM AN ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR THE RECORD. THE DECISION TODAY, THERE WAS A DECISION TO TRANSMIT WITH THE INITIAL DECISION THAT THERE IS CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPANY HAS A PLAN.
THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY A DETERMINATION THAT THERE IS A COMPATIBILITY, WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE, SUCH THAT THERE WILL NOT BE ADVERSE IMPACTS IN THE FUTURE.
SO, IF THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT THE ANSWER TO THAT, QUESTION I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE DECISIN BE MADE TODAY.
>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD, NONETHELESS, I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW ONE OF MY CONCERNS TODAY IS I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INNOVATION IN NUMBERS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE. NOT BECAUSE APPLICANTS ARE WITHHOLDING THE INFORMATION FROM US, OR NOT ACTING IN FAITH.
IT IS JUST AS YOU APTLY POINTED OUT, THE WAY WE ARE SET UP TODAY WE ARE NOT BEING ABLE TO DETERMINE ALL OF THE NUMBERS.
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THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE STAFF THAT HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE CONCERNS AS WELL. YOU PART OF MY UNDERSTANDING OF TRANSMITTAL IS TRANSMITTAL HELPS TRANSMIT IS TO HELP DETERMINE AND GET ANSWERS. AND THAT'S WHY I AM AND LEANING IN FAVOR OF TRANSMITTAL, BECAUSE IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND BE CLEAR WE ARE NOT VOTING TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT TODAY. THIS IS JUST SIMPLY TO SEE IF WE GET SOME OF THOSE AND PRODUCERS -- ANSWERS.IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO DO THAT? I WISH THERE WERE WAS, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE STUCK WITH TODAY.
THIS IS NOT THE PAST PLAN, BUT TODAY WE ARE HERE, AND NO FAULT TO MR. HILO AND HIS PROJECT, BUT THE DECISIONS WERE MADE 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO THAT PUT US IN THIS POSITION.
WE HAVE THESE CONCERNS, MY CONCERN IS THAT THE NUMBERS OF INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE GIVING FINAL APPROVAL TO THE SCALE DO WE HAVE THE FINAL NUMBERS. WE ARE CURRENTLY SET UP UNDER FLORIDA LAW TRANSMITTAL, THAT OPENS UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS. THOSE ARE MY INITIAL THOUGHTS, AND I WILL TURN IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
TO SEE IF THERE IS A MOTION DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE
SESSION? >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER JUST A POINT OF ORDER, LIKE I SAID, WE WILL COMMIT TO THIS BOARD, TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS AND THE STAFF.
REGARDLESS, ON THE POINT OF TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY.
IF THE BOARD CAN PLEASE DIRECT STAFF TO WORK WITH US IN THAT INTERVENING TIME. SO WE CAN BRING BACK MUCH MORE CONCRETE FINANCIAL INFORMATION FOR YOU.
I KNOW THAT IS NOT THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS SET UP, BUT OUR BOARD DIRECTIVE WILL ALLOW THAT TO HAVE BEEN WITHOUT A CONCURRENCY
APPLICATION HAVE BEEN FILED. >> SURE I WANT TO MAKE HIM A CUP COMMENT ABOUT THAT. WE CANNOT SEND THIS BACK, THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE, HOWEVER, WE ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE NOT ANSWERED, WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK HERE IN THE SAME POSITION. BECAUSE WE WILL NOT HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS THAT WE NEED FINALIZED. SO YES THAT IS AN OPTION, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE HEARD LEGITIMATE CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS, WE KNOW THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES IN THE ROADWAYS, AND WE WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE PROPORTIONATE SHARES ARE GOING TO BE.
COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST ASSURED DISTRICT TO HAVE A MOTION?
>> YES MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, MY STAFF JUST REMINDED ME, THE 800-POUND ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. AS IT RELATES TO TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS. THAT IS THE TWO AND A HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL.
IT DEPENDS ON THE MIX OF THAT, IT WILL HAVE ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THE SYSTEM. CURRENTLY THE REGULATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE NONRESIDENTIAL TO MITIGATE THOSE IMPACTS.
IT DOES NOT MEAN WE CANNOT HAVE LANGUAGE IN PLACE TO ACQUIRE DEVELOPMENTS, AND IF IT IMPACTS THAT, THEY NEED TO LOOK AT NOT JUST THE ACCESS LANE, OR NOT JUST DIRECTLY ACCESS INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THEY NEED TO LOOK AT CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT IMPACTS THAT. I WILL GIVE AN EXAMPLE.
DURBIN PARK, IS APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A HALF-MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL. AND WE WILL EVALUATE THROUGH AGA I CONSULTING. THEY LOOK AT THE PARKWAY WHICH IS ON THE EAST SIDE CONNECTED BACK TO A SCARECROW.
WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT IT IS GOING TO BE A SIX LANE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT. FOR EXAMPLE IT DEPENDS ON THE LOCATIONS WHERE THE TWO AND HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET WILL BE SITUATED. THEN THOSE DIRECTLY ACCESS LINKS WILL BE IMPACTED BASED ON TRANSPORTATION.
I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT POINT TO THE COMMISSION.
TO LOOK AT LANGUAGE THAT WILL BE IN PLACE IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THAT. THANK YOU.
>> OKAY ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?
>> MR. CHAIR I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT VERY QUICKLY. ALWAYS SEE YOU HURT ALL OF OUR CONCERNS. I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND OF HER WEARING PERU DESPERATE. I HAD A TWO HOUR MEETING YESTERDAY TO DISCUSS MY CONCERNS, AND WENT INTO THE OFFICE AND I TOLD HIM, I WAS A NO ON THE PROJECT.
MR. BLOCKER RAISES A GOOD POINT, THEY CANNOT GIVE US ALL THE INFORMATION TO ADDRESS CONCERNS WITHOUT TRANSMITTAL.
DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS ON AND ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THIS SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE OF THE PROJECT? OR WOULD YOU LIKE IT TO REMANDED BACK TO THE PCA TO WORK WITH THE
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COMMUNITY TO BRING FORTH A MORE PALATABLE PROJECT.I DO NOT WANT TO SIGNAL IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM THAT A YES TODAY ON TRANSMITTAL, WOULD MEAN A YES AT ADOPTION.
I HAVE STRONG FEELINGS TO THE CONTRARY.
>> CORRECT, WE HEAR YOU AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUITE LOUDLY. AND CLEARLY.
AND I WANT TO STAY -- I SAY WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS REST.
AFTER JOE WAS WATCHING ON TV. THEY KNOW THIS IS A RISK ON THEIR PART TO BE TRANSMITTED AND YOU ARE IN NO WAY LEGALLY REQUIRED TO ADOPT THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IF YOU TRANSMIT IT. WE WILL SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD TODAY, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOUR STAFF AND MEMBERS OF COMMUNITY WITH RESPECT TO THE CLIENT, WITH RESPECT TO TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION, AND OTHER MITIGATION TO OFFSET
IMPACTS OF THIS PROJECT. >> LET ME JUST SAY IF I CAN, YOU'VE ALL HEARD TODAY'S SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS FROM PUBLIC. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE CONCERNS ADDRESSED. WE NEED TO COME BACK HERE AND IF IT DOES GET TRANSMITTED TODAY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ANSWERS AND WHENEVER YOU GET THOSE NUMBERS.
THIS HAS AN IMPORTANT IMPACT ON THE COUNTY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON THAT.
>> YES, SIR. >> THEN WENT ON SAYING?
>> YES WE AGREE. >> WITH THAT SAID, AND WITH THE CAUTION THAT THIS IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM A SIGNAL, AS TO WHAT MY VOTE WILL BE, AND ADOPTION.
I WILL A MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TRANSMITTAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2021 -- ZERO TWO GREENBRIER HILO BASED ON THE FACTS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> SECOND. >> CAN WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. WHITEHURST AND A SECOND IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I SEE NONE PLEASE VOTE. OKAY IT PASSES 4-14 TRANSMITTAL.
[4. Bayview Healthcare Request - Assignment and Assumption of Lease and Modification Agreement. (Part 1 of 2)]
OKAY SO MY INTENT IS TO TAKE A SHORT 30 MINUTE RECESS AT NOON, IF IT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD WE CAN GET INTO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM AND JUST DELAY THAT. THE NEXT ONE IS FAIRLY LENGTHY ONE WE GO AND MOVE INTO THE AGENDA ITEM.>> I'M SORRY MR. CHAIRMAN, HELLO AGAIN.
>> GOOD MORNING. FOR THE RECORD ELLEN AVERY SMITH ROGERS TOWERS IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.
WITH ME TODAY ARE WHOLE CAST OF CHARACTERS I WILL HAVE TO RELY UPON THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATTER THAN I DO.
BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, WITH ME TODAY AND PROBABLY LISTENING AND, ARE LARRY LAKE, THE CEO OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY WELFARE FEDERATION WHICH WE SOMETIMES AFFECTIONATELY REFERRED TO AS BABY. ALSO DR. HEBERT IS HERE HE'S A MEMBER OF THE WELFARE FEDERATION BOARD.
AND GERARD MEEKS IS ALSO HERE, HE IS THE PRESIDENT EMERITUS OF THE BOARD. MARK AND BAILEY, WHO YOU HAVE MET WITH SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THIS MATTER, AND THE LAST MONTH OR SO IS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND, BUT HE DOES SEND HIS REGARDS TODAY.
HOPEFULLY WILL BE HAPPILY ABOUT THE OUTCOME WE WILL SEE.
I AM JUST LOOKING AROUND TO SEE IF I AM MISSING ANY MORE BOARD MEMBERS. I DON'T THINK SO.
ALSO RICK TAMS, I APOLOGIZE HE IS A REGULAR COUNCIL AND BANKRUPTCY COUNSEL FOR THE WELFARE FEDERATION, SO IF WE NEED HIS LEGAL EXPERTISE AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW THAT THE WELFARE FEDERATION OWNS THE FACILITY THAT IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS BAYVIEW, WHICH SITS ON VEREEN STREET AT 161 VEREEN STREET.
IT IS A BEAUTIFUL LOCATION AND A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY.
THE LAND UNDERLYING THE FACILITY IS OWNED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY THE BUILDING IS OWNED BY THE WELFARE FEDERATION.
THE WELFARE FEDERATION IS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATION WHICH WAS FORMED IN 1920. IT HAS A LONG TERM LEASE WITH THE COUNTY FOR THE PROPERTY. THE WELFARE FEDERATION CONSTRUCTED THE BAY VIEW FACILITY IN THE LATE 1990S.
BAYVIEW CURRENTLY EMPLOYS 165 FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME
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EMPLOYEES WITH A PAYROLL ANNUALLY OF ABOUT SIX AND HALF MILLION DOLLARS. THAT FACILITY GENERATES ABOUT 163 ADDITIONAL JOBS IN THE COMMUNITY.THE EXISTING LEASE WITH THE COUNTY, FOR THE LAND, BEGAN IN 1996, AND RUNS THROUGH DECE DECEMBER 31 OF 2031.
IT ALSO HAS THE 230 YEAR RENEWAL OPTIONS.
THE PURPOSE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE LEASE CAN IS LIMITED TO THE HEALTHCARE FACILITY CONSISTING OF BUT NOT LIMITED TO SKILLED NURSING, AND/OR EXTENDED COMPREHENSIVE CARE AND NURSING HOME AND ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES.
IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ASSIGN THE LEASE, WITH THE COUNTY, IT REQUIRES THE CONSENT OF THE COUNTY.
IN 1997 ST. JOHNS COUNTY ALREADY APPROVED THE TAX EXEMPT BONDS THE BAY VIEW FACILITY. TO PROTECT THE LEASE REQUIRES THE OPERATED FACILITY TO BE A 501 -- C3.
THE REMAINING BALANCE OF THE BOND TODAY, IS APPROXIMATELY 13 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. WITH THE BONDHOLDERS BEING IN POSSESSION OF $3.3 MILLION IN TRUST FUNDS TO SECURE THE DEBT.
LEAVING AN OUTSTANDING OBLIGATION ON THE BOND OF ABOUT $10.2 MILLION. DUE TO THE LACK OF OUR CONTINUING LOSSES WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE AND THE LACK OF WORKING CAPITAL. THE BONDHOLDERS ARE PUTTING PRESSURE ON THE WELFARE FEDERATION BOARD AND STAFF FOR THE IMMINENT SALE OF THE FACILITY.
OR THE FORECLOSURE OF THE BOND TO ALLOW THE SALE OF THE FACILITY TO REPAY THE VON INDEBTEDNESS.
SO THAT IS THE SITUATION WE ARE IN TODAY.
WE WISH YOU WERE NOT SO. BUT IT IS WHERE WE ARE, AND WE ARE SPOKEN TO EACH OF YOU ABOUT THIS INTO THE STAFF AS WELL.
IT IS NOT A GREAT SITUATION, BUT WE ARE AT THAT POINT.
TO GO INTO FINANCES BAYVIEW HAD UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES IN REVENUE REDUCTIONS DUE TO HURRICANE MATHEW, IRMA, AND DORIAN OF A PARCEL B $1.2 MILLION.
THEY ALSO HAD AN ANTICIPATED EXPENSE OF A APPROXIMATELY A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO COVID-19, AND ALSO DID NOT HAVE AS MANY PATIENTS AT THE FACILITY FOR FEAR OF THE VIRUS.
OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS A TRAINED NATIONWIDE, OR PROBABLY WORLDWIDE. WHICH REDUCE REVENUES IN THE FACILITY BY MORE THAN 2.6 MILLION, BETWEEN MARCH OF 2020 AND JUNE OF THIS YEAR. ALTHOUGH BAYVIEW DID RECEIVE AND WE TALKED ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE REVENUE OF THE SALE OF BUCKINGHAM SMITH. THOSE ARE IN THE HANDS OF THE BOND TRUSTEE AND NOT IN THE HANDS OF THE BAY VIEW FACILITY.
SO THE REQUEST FROM YOU TODAY IS YOU HAVE THE REVOLUTION IN YOUR PACKAGE, AND YOU HAVE TWO I WILL CALL THEM LEASE ASSIGNMENT AND AMENDMENT DOCUMENTS IN THE PACKAGE, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM MYSELF IN BEHALF OF THE BAY VIEW BOARD.
TO ALLOW THE FEDERATION TO ASSIGN THE COUNTY LEASE TO A FOR-PROFIT ENTITY. AND SO THAT IS BASICALLY THAT IS IT IN WITH THE LEASE AND MODIFICATION AGREEMENT.
THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE PRESERVATION OF EXISTING JOBS AND THE CONTINUATION OF PATIENT CARE.
SO WE ARE TALKING YESTERDAY ABOUT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT AND THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS THE FINANCIAL BENEFIT IS THAT YOU CAN TO PRESERVE THAT 165 JOBS AND QUALITY PATIENT CARE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN BAYVIEW, AND THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO RELY ON THAT FACILITY, WHEN THEY ARE DOWN AND OUT. SO, THAT IS THE OPENING OF THE CRITICAL MISSION OF TODAY. THE BONDS WILL BE REDEEMED FOR THE FULL VALUE, FOLLOWING THE CLOSING.
AND THE PURPOSE THAT YOU WILL RECALL THE PURPOSE OF THE 1997 BOND ISSUE, AND THE LEASE WAS TO PROVIDE FOR HEALTHCARE AND EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR BOTH THOSE GOALS ARE BEING PRESERVED BY WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TOO.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE ALTERNATIVE THAT WE FACE, IS THAT THE BONDHOLDERS DO HAVE THE LEGAL ABILITY TO FORECLOSE ON THE BOND, AND SELL THE FACILITY TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER.
AND THAT MAY MEAN THAT THEY CLOSE THE FACILITY AND LAY PEOPLE OFF, AND MOVE THOSE PATIENTS ELSEWHERE.
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SO, REALLY WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS TO TRY TO PRESERVE THOSE JOBS, TO PRESERVE THE OTHER LEVEL OF RESIDENTS WHO WORK IN THE ANCILLARY JOBS THAT PROVIDE SUPPORT BAYVIEW.ALSO TO SUPPORT PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO NEED THOSE HEALTHCARE SERVICES. SO, THAT IS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, OBVIOUSLY I HAVE A WHOLE CAST WITH ME, AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS AND APPRECIATE YOUR
TIME VERY MUCH. >> OKAY WHAT WE SEE IF THE BOARD
HAS ANY QUESTIONS? >> I AM NO EXPERT ON BONDS PERSONALLY. OTHER THAN THE POSSIBILITY OF BAIL BONDS. BUT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, THAT EVEN THOUGH THE ORIGINAL PLAN LEASE REQUIRES THAT THE ISSUANCE OF THE BOND THAT THE OPERATOR BE A NOT-FOR-PROFIT ENTITY. TO TAKE THE BENEFIT OF THE TAX EXEMPTION. UPON THE CLOSE OF THE PROPERTY IN THE BOND IS FULLY PAID OFF, THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO LIABILITY PERSPECTIVE, OR ANY QUESTION INVOLVING CAP TAXES THAT NATURE OF THE POND. I THINK THERE WOULD MAKE THE DECISION PROBABLY 97. I MAY WANT TO ASK, AND NOTIFY OUR TURN OF THE SKIN'S TO SPEAK TO THAT TOO? I JUST WANT ASSURANCE ON THE RECORD THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE EXPOSED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM TO ANY TAX LIABILITY WITH THE PROPERTY AND THE PAYMENT OF THE BOND.
I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR? >> I WILL INTRODUCE YOU TO RICK TAMS WHO WORKS WITH BAYVIEW ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS.
HE IS MUCH MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE BONDS.
AND THAT TRANSACTION THEN I AM. >> THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING AND GOOD AFTERNOON, I AM NOT A BOND EXPERT.
BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE TRANSACTION CONCERNS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESERVE THE TAXES AND THE NATURE OF THE BOND TO ME SIMPLY MAKE SURE WE CLOSE WITHIN THE 90 DAYS OF SIGNING THE ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT. THAT ARE PRESENT SCENARIO WHERE WE HAVE THE PURCHASE PRICE, WILL ALLOW US TO SATISFY THE BOND DEBT, THAT IF THE RESERVE THAT THEY HAVE, AND ALL OF OUR TRADE DEBT. AND TO HAVE MONEY HAVE LEFT OVER AT THE END OF THE DAY, TO CONTINUE THE MISSION OF THE FEDERATION. WE WILL BE SATISFYING THOSE IN FULL, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION RELATIVELY CERTAIN THAT WE WILL HAVE, IF WE CLOSE WITHIN THE 90 DAY WINDOW, THAT WE WILL HAVE IN FACT SATISFIED THE BONDS IN FULL NOTION AND THAT WE KNOW TAX APPLICATIONS TO ARISE OUT OF THAT.
>> I DID NOT SAY IT UPFRONT, EVERYBODY MAY ALREADY KNOW THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THE PURCHASER IN GOOD FAITH OF THE PROPERTY IS A FOR-PROFIT COMPANY NOT A NONPROFIT.
THIS IS WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.
>> THAT IS CORRECT, THE LEASE, WOULD BE FOR A FOR-PROFIT
>> WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH NEST.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. TAMS, MY PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATION RECALL SOMETHING ELSE BUT NONETHELESS THANK YOU.
I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO YOUR LETTER.
SPECIFICALLY REGARDING BULLET POINTS ON PAGE TWO.
NUMBER ONE, AND I WILL SAY THIS, AND I THINK IT'S AN EASY THING TO ASSIGN THE LEASE TO IT. TO THIS FOR-PROFIT AND THAT WE MOVE ON. THAT IS A LONG TERM DEAL.
A LOT OF VERY LONG-TERM SITUATION, ESPECIALLY IN REGARD TO THE TOO 30 YEAR OPTIONS ON TOP OF THAT.
BUT, IN REGARD TO THE ORCHID COVE, ON PAGE TWO BULLET POINT TO, THE LATTER PART OF THE SENATE.
YOU SAY THAT IT ORCHID COVE WILL HAVE SUFFICIENT LIQUIDITY TO OPERATE THE FACILITY MOVING FORWARD.
HOW DO YOU SUBSTANTIATE THAT? >> WELL WE ARE NOT PRIVY TO ALL OF THEIR FINANCES. THEY ARE A FOR-PROFIT ENTITY PRIVATELY HELD. I GUESS THE WAY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS THAT THEY HAVE A BETTER MUCH BETTER LIQUIDITY SITUATION. THEY ARE OPERATING A HUNDRED OF THAT OPERATE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
THEY ARE AFFILIATES. SO SOMEWHAT PRESUMPTUOUS ON MY PART, THE DUE DILIGENCE THEY DO HAVE THE FINANCE, AND THEY ARE
IN IT TO MAKE A DOLLAR. >> I APPRECIATE THAT BUT TO ME IT IS A BIT PRESUMPTUOUS. BUT WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERATE AS THAT AS WELL. ALSO, IF YOU COULD ON THE NEXT.IS BULLET POINT NUMBER FOUR, COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT IN
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THE FULL TERM OF THE BOND ISSUE IN THE DIVERSITY OF THE IMPACT OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.>> SURE, WHAT WILL HAPPEN HERE, IS I GUESS, LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH IF WE DO NOT APPROVE THIS AND WE DON'T HAVE A CELL.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT WE WILL NOT MEET THE LIQUIDITY REQUIREMENTS AND WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED THEM PRESENTLY.
BUT THE BONDS HAVE A LIQUIDITY REQUIREMENT BASED ON CASH ON HAND AND DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS TO ENSURE THAT THE BONDS GET REPAID. WE WOULD FALL INTO DEFAULT IF WE ARE NOT IN DEFAULT ALREADY. THAT WILL TRIGGER THE BOND TRUSTEE TO WANT TO INITIATE FORECLOSURE PROCESS OR SOME PROCESS TO LIQUIDATE THE ASSET. WHEN THAT WORD GETS OUT, WHEN YOU START TO SEE YOU SEE IT START TO DROP OFF.
IS IT GOING TO BE A GOING CONCERN IS IT NOT GOING TO BE GOING CONCERN? THAT START TO ADVERSELY IMPACT REVENUES. OUR LIQUIDITY PRICE IS ALSO WILL IMPACT EMPLOYEES. WE WILL SEE THAT SOUGHT TO VACATE. THAT INTER EXASPERATES A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HIRE PEOPLE AT A HIGHER RATE WITH LESS CASH.
AND WITH LESS CASH AND/OR PAY THESE EMPLOYEES HIGHER MONEY AND HIGHER WAGES TO GET THEM TO ATTRACT AND THAT'S US TO EXASPERATE THE CASH FLOW ISSUES. AND THE LOSSES.
AND THAT IN TURN WILL START WRITING DOWN THE PRICE.
WHAT WE END UP WITH IN THE TIME IT TAKES TO COMPLETE A PROCESS, IS THAT WE END UP WITH A VALUE NOW WHERE WE HAVE THE BONDS BEING PAID IN FULL. IT IS A PRETTY HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT THEY DO NOT GET PAID IN FULL THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BECAUSE THE REVENUES WILL DROP DRAMATICALLY.
ONCE THAT STARTS DOING THAT, ONCE THAT STARTS HAPPENING, WE DON'T GET THAT PAGE AND CERTAINLY WE DON'T GET THE TRADE DEBT PAID IN FULL. BUT, WE DO HAVE A DEFAULTED LOAN OR BOND ISSUANCE SO SOMEONE CAN LOOK AT THE UNDERWRITING FOR ST.
IT IS GOING TO BE JUST A BLACK MARK I AM NOT A BOND EXPERT ON HOW THAT WILL PLAY OUT. IT COULD BE JUST A BLIP, BUT IT IS A POTENTIALLY, AS MY UNDERSTANDING, ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS A VERY GOOD HISTORY OF MANAGING THE BONDS.
SO, THAT IS THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF THE
BONDS. >> BUT ALSO, LET ME FINISH THIS, THANK YOU, BECAUSE THAT IS PUT QUITE PRESUMPTUOUS.
IF YOU GO INTO DEFAULT, IS THERE NOT A TERMINATION CLAUSE, WHERE THE LEASE CAN BE TERMINATED AT THAT POINT, AND THEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, IF I READ IT CORRECTLY. IF IT DOES GO INTO DEFAULT, PARAGRAPH EIGHT SAYS THE BUILDING AND PERMIT IMPROVEMENTS TO REVERT TO TO THE COUNTY ON EXPIRATION OR TERMINATION OF LEASE. SO THE TERMINATION RELEASE IS OPTIONAL OPTIONAL IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THAT IS THE DEFAULT UNDER THE LEASE, IT IS NOT THE TERM UNDER THE BOND. THE BOND WOULD GIVE AND THERE IS A VERY NOMINAL. SO IT IS NOT SOMEWHAT HARD TO GO INTO DEFAULT UNDER THE TERMS OF THE LEASE.
BUT THE BONDHOLDER TRUSTEE THERE WOULD STEP IN.
THE LEASE STAYS INTO ACTING, AND YOU NOTE TO THE DEFAULT DIVISIONS OF THE POOL LEASE, THEY HAVE A FOR-PROFIT OR NONPROFIT ENTITY. JUST BECAUSE THEY NEED TO FIND OUT NOW. ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES YOU HAVE IN THE MARKET, IS WE ARE LOSING MONEY AS A NONPROFIT.
AND A TRACKING AND OTHER NONPROFIT AND KNOCKING ON DOORS IS DIFFICULT. SO THAT'S WHY YOU ARE FINDING OUR POOL OF INTERESTED PARTIES TO BE FOR-PROFIT.
AND AGAIN, AS AVERY SMITH INDICATED, THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THAT PROVISION IN THE LEASE, IS THAT THE TAX-EXEMPT NATURE OF THE BONDS. THAT CONCERN IS ADDRESSED THROUGH PAYMENT IN FULL. AND BY THIS AMENDMENT WE CAN GET TO THAT POINT. IF WE DO NOT GET THE APPROVAL, AND WE GET SOME MEASURE OF THAT, WE WILL TRY TO MITIGATE IT AT EVERY POINT. IT STILL ENDS UP THIS POTENTIAL WE END UP WITH BACK IN THE SAME PLACE.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE SELLING IT AND IS GOING TO BE SOLD.
THE BONDHOLDERS WILL STEP IN AND INTERCEDE AND REVERT BACK TO THE COUNTY. BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR CLARITY.
>> RIGHT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DR. LAKE YOU ARE UP HERE, ONE OF
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THE THINGS YOU EXPERIENCE THE LAST FEW YEARS IS EXTREME BECAUSE. OF EVACUATION NEEDS ET CETERA.$1.2 MILLION, AS A RESULT OF MATTHEW, IRMA, AND DORIAN.
THAT IS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO HAVE LOST AS A RESULT.
>> IT IS TWOFOLD, ONE IS THE COST WHICH YOU ARE QUITE RIGHT ABOUT. BUT THESE ARE REVENUE BONDS.
THERE HAS ALSO BEEN DEMOLITION OF THE REVENUE.
WHICH IS WHY THE BONDHOLDERS ARE VERY, VERY CONCERNED.
JUST QUICKLY I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS YOUR PRIOR POINT, I THINK THAT IS THE COMPLETE ISSUE.
THERE ARE THESE TECHNICALITIES THAT WE HAVE TO DRESS AND ARE DRIVING SOME OF THE PLANNING AND BEING HERE TODAY.
BUT, LIQUIDITY IS THE ISSUE. WHETHER IT IS DIMINISHED REVENUE, OR INCREASED EXPENSES, THAT HAS AN IMPACT ON LIQUIDITY.
I WILL HAVE TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION TO THE BONDHOLDERS, FOR WORKING WITH US AND ALLOWING US TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH THIS.
THEY WERE VERY GOOD THROUGHOUT THE STORMS ABOUT US TO HAVE ACCESS TO RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT FUNDS AND WE HAD TO MAKE PAYROLL, THEY WERE TREMENDOUS CHALLENGES.
I MEET WITH THEM MONTHLY. THEY HAVE CONFIDENCE AND MANAGEMENT. I THINK THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A SOFT SPOT IN OUR HEART FOR OUR MICHIGAN AND OUR PURPOSE.
NOW WE OPEN HEALTHCARE ACCESS IN THE COMMUNITY.
BUT WITH COVID-19, THERE IS NO WAY THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ACT.
THEY HAVE BEEN PATIENT, THEY ARE GIVING US TIME TO TRY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. I WANT TO COME BACK TO THE SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT ORCHID COVE.
YES THERE ARE THINGS WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT ORCHID COVE.
BUT AS PART OF OUR OPERATION OF DUE DILIGENCE.
I HAVE DRILLED DOWN ON PHASE TWO MAKE SURE PEOPLE AREN'T MAKING OFFERS TO COME INTO THIS COMMUNITY, AND RUN A PROGRAM UNLESS THEY HAVE SUFFICIENT LIQUIDITY TO DO THAT.
AND, A SUFFICIENT TRACK RECORD TO FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT IT.
THERE ARE LOTS OF PRIVATE EQUITY FIRMS, THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE OFFERS. MANY OF THEM ON THE REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT TRUSTS SIDE, OR THEY LOOK AT HOW THEY CAN DRAMATICALLY CUT COST TO HAVE THEIR PROFIT.
ORCHID COVE CLEARLY HAS A DIFFERENT MODEL WITH THAT.
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A LONG-TERM INVESTMENT.
THEY HAVE DEEP ENOUGH POCKETS TO BE ABLE TO RUN THINGS WELL.
I THINK THAT WE WILL BE THE 21ST OR 22ND FACILITY THAT HAS BEEN PURCHASED HERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
THEY HAVE ALWAYS ADDED THE SUFFICIENT RESOURCES TO BE AND SUPPORT, TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY MEASURES AND TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THEIR EXPERIENCE FOR PATIENTS AND FOR STAFF.
>> COMMISSIONER SMITH SORRY TO INTERRUPT, I MISSPOKE, THERE IS 100 ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND 20 IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
>> DR. LAKE CLARIFIED THAT ANY SENT THAT INFORMATION PRIOR.
I AM NOT IN THE CORRECTING MOVE TODAY I APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING. I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY STANDPOINT, NO ONE TO, THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT BRINGING SOMEONE OUTSIDE IN. THERE IS A COMFORT LEVEL THAT THE TAXPAYERS DEAL WITH THOSE THAT THEY KNOW.
AND THEN SOMEBODY THAT WE DON'T KNOW, AND HAVE CONFIDENCE IN, THAT IS VERY SERIOUS MATTER. ALSO ESPECIALLY AS WANTING TO MAKE THIS POINT. IN LIGHT OF THE COST, AS THIS LOCATION, IT MADE MERIT MORE CONSIDERATION.
ESPECIALLY WITH THIS VULNERABILITY.
IT IS ALMOST A PENINSULA, IT IS EVACUATION AND FLOOD ZONE.
IT CAUSES AND RAISES COSTS AND REDUCES LIQUIDITY.
MANY OF US IN BUSINESS UNDERSTAND THAT.
HIGHER COST AND LOWER PROFITABILITY INTAKE, IT DOES NOT EQUATE TO PROFITABLE ENTITIES.
OR A SUSTAINABLE AND VIABLE ONE. MY POINT IS, YOU YOU HAVE A VULNERABLE SITE, HIGHER COST, AN ENTITY COMING IN THAT IF YOU KNOW AND DON'T TRUST IT. THEY HAVE MADE TREMENDOUS PRESUMPTIONS UPON, THAT CAUSES GREAT CONCERN.
NOW WHAT IS THE QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING EACH OF US HAS TO
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WEIGH. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER OPTIONS. I HAD THOUGHTS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE NECESSARILY VIABLE. I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION DR. LAKE AND WE SAW A $2. MILLION LOSS AS OF COVID, DID YOU RECEIVE PPE TOREDUCE THE BURDEN? >> WE DID, WHAT WAS ESPECIALLY HELPFUL EARLY ON, WE APPLIED FOR THE PPE.
WE WERE GRANTED THOSE MONEYS, WELL LET ME BACK UP, WE WERE PROVIDED THOSE FUNDS SHORTLY EITHER BY THE END OF AUGUST OR BEGINNING IN OCTOBER. WE WILL APPLY TO TAKE THAT LOAN AND CONVERT IT TO A GRANT. I DON'T KNOW HOW IN THE WORLD WE WOULD HAVE MADE IT AND TAKEN CARE OF OUR RESIDENTS WITHOUT
THAT ASSISTANCE. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S ALL THE
QUESTIONS I HAVE AT THIS TIME. >> THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER SMITH. ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD?
>> DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FROM STAFF? OKAY. OKAY.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? WELL SOMEONE OVER THERE HIT A
BUTTON. >> UNLESS THERE ARE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE BOARD AT LEAST TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND COME IN
AND WRAP UP. >> WE'RE GETTING THERE.
WE'RE GETTING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE GETTING THERE.
>> THE QUESTIONS I HAD, YOU BRING IN ORCHID AND THEY DO A PRESENTATION. HOW ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE A PROFIT? THEY ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THEIR RATES OR CHANGE THE CLIENTELE.
>> FIRST OF ALL, WHEN THEY WILL DO IS THEY WON'T BE AS LEVERAGED AS WE ARE. THEY WON'T HAVE THE AMOUNT OF DEBT. I'M NOT TELLING YOU THERE NEVER WILL BE DEBT ON THE FACILITY. THE PRACTICE IS NOT TO LEVERAGE ANY FACILITY UNTIL THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH MAKING A PROFIT WITH THAT. SECONDLY, THEY -- THE AMOUNT OF DEBT IS VERY EXPENSIVE FOR US. NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE OF THE INTEREST RATE, BUT BECAUSE WHEN WE DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT LIQUIDITY, IT TRIGGERS CERTAIN BOND COVENANTS AS LONG AS WE COMPLY WITH THOSE, WE'RE NOT IN DEFAULT.
BUT THEY'RE EXPENSIVE TO WORK THROUGH.
I MENTIONED MEETING MONTHLY WITH THE BOND HOLDERS, WELL NOBODY MEETS WITHOUT THEIR LAWYER OR THE TRUSTEE.
AND JUST WE ARE ON THE HOOK FOR ALL OF THOSE EXPENSES.
WE, WE -- THE NURSING HOME CAN MAKE A PROFIT WITHOUT THOSE EXTRAORDINARY EXPENSES AND WITHOUT WEATHERING THE STORMS WE HAVE HAD. WE ARE ON A VERY SHORT RUN WAY HERE IN TERMS OF HOW THOSE HAVE STACKED UP WITH COVID.
BUT I'M CONFIDENT THAT ORCHID CO WILL PUT A PROGRAM IN PLACE TO ALLOW THEM TO TAKE CARE OF RESIDENTS, KEEP THE STAFF AND WE'LL UNBURDEN THEM WITH OUR CURRENT EXTRAORDINARY
>> JUST ANOTHER QUESTION FOR CLARITY.
WHY WASN'T THE COUNTY INVOLVED IN THIS FROM THE BEGINNING? BEING WE OWNED THE PROPERTY ITSELF NOT THE BUILDING.
WHY WEREN'T WE INVOLVED IN THE THE OPTION WITH ORCHID?, ABOUT -
>> LET ME GIVE YOU THE QUICK TIME TABLE ON THAT IF I COULD.
AS YOU KNOW AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL TO THE COUNTY AND TO THE IDA AND EVERYONE THAT WORKED WITH US TO HAVE A RELEASE OF THE MORTGAGE SECURITY THAT WAS BUCKINGHAM SMITH ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. THE IDA HAD A FULL TEFRA HEARING ON THAT AND LOTS OF EVIDENCE WAS PROVIDED IN ORDER TO THEN APPLY THE TRUSTEE COULD APPLY FOR A TRUSTEE INSTRUCTION PROCEEDING AT A COURT WHERE THEIR BANK IS LOCATED IN MINNEAPOLIS AND THAT WENT WELL. AND WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR ANSWERS IS TO HOW WE COULD HAVE MORE LIQUIDITY TO MEET SOME OF THESE BURDENS. TWO CONTRACTS ON THE SALE OF BUCKINGHAM FELL THROUGH, WE FINALLY DID GET A THIRD CONTRACT, IT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE PARAMETER OF THE ONE YEAR OF THE JUDGE'S ORDER. VER
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VERMONT -- VERITACE PURCHASED IT AND THAT CLOSED IN DECEMBER OF 2019. IN FEBRUAY OF 2020, WE STARTED SEEING THE EFFECTS OF COVID. PARTLY THROUGH THE PROVISION OF THE PPE FUNDS WORKING WITH THE BOND HOLDERS, WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF OUR RESIDENTS. BUT AFTER COVID, THE BOND HOLDERS DID LET US KNOW THEY WERE NOT GOING TO LET US USE THE PROCEEDS FROM THE SALE OF BUCKINGHAM FOR WORKING CAPITAL PURPOSES. WELL, THEN THE HAND WRITING WAS PRETTY MUCH ON THE WALL. SO THAT WOULD HAVE, IT'S ABOUT JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR I ALERTED THE BOARD TO THE FACT WE HAD A MAJOR PROBLEM.WE IMMEDIATELY TURNED TO FLAGLER HOSPITAL AND ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO ACQUIRE THE BAY VIEW FACILITY AND PROGRAM.
THEY TOOK A LONG LOOK AT THAT, COMPLETED THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND DECIDED THEY HAD OTHER PLANS THAT WAS GOING TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO ACQUIRE THIS.
WE ALSO ASKED THE SAME QUESTION TO BROOKS REHAB.
AND RECEIVED ROUGHLY THE SAME ANSWER.
THAT REALLY LEFT PRIVATE EQUITY AS THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE AN ACQUISITION IN A TIMELY MANNER THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO PAY OFF ALL OF OUR TRADE DEBT, OUR UNSECURED TREASURE, UNSECURED CREDITORS, ALSO TO PAY OFF WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO IN ORDER TO KEEP THE FACILITY RUNNING SO THAT A SALE COULD BE EFFECTED.
SO THAT WAS A QUICK PROCESS. THAT'S WHY IT HAPPENED.
THEY WERE TRIGGERS IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE AND I CERTAINLY APOLOGIZE IT CAME TO YOU SO FAST.
>> OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COMMISSION WHITEHURST. BEFORE WE DO THAT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL. DOES THIS HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY
THE IDA? >> MR. CHAIR, WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE IDA WHICH HAD NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW. AT MINIMUM, WE BELIEVE THE IDA SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN.
ONE OF QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH RAISED AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN COMMISSIONER DEAN AS WELL, REGARDING THE STATUS OF THE TAX EXEMPT. THAT'S SOMETHING THE IDA WOULD HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW HAD THEY TAKEN A LOOK AT IT. THAT'S STILL OUTSTANDING.
WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.
AT MINIMUM, I RECOMMEND THE IDA HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW, WEIGH IN AND THEIR ATTORNEY, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO HIM IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, HE WAS IN THE PROCESS OF FORMULATING AN OPINION WHICH HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED YET.
>> WE WILL COME BACK TO THAT. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S QUESTION WAS A GOOD ONE IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE MONEY. WHAT I CAN GATHER, NOTHING ABOUT THE BUSINESS WILL CHANGE. THEY REFERENCED THE CHANGE IN THE GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION. WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER STORM NOT ANY TIME SOON BUT WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER STORM.
WATER MOVES INLAND AND WON'T CHANGE FOR ORCHID COVE.
THE DEBT ACQUIRED WAS BECAUSE OF THE BUSINESS MODEL NOT WORKING.
WHETHER TO ATTRACT THE NECESSARY HEADS IN BEDS OR THE HURRICANES THAT WILL INEVITABLY HAPPEN AGAIN AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD. I FEEL LIKE COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S QUESTION WAS A GOOD ONE AND REMAINS SORT OF UNANSWERED. I THINK ORCHID COVE BEING A PRIVATE ENTITY, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT USED TO DISCLOSING THEIR FINANCIALS. WHEN YOU DEAL WITH A PUBLIC-PRIVATE DEAL HERE, THEN, HECK, I HAVE BOUGHT AN EXISTING BUSINESS AND OPENED A BUSINESS AND WE HAVE TO SHOW OUR CARDS AND OUR FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES. NOT HAVING THAT INFORMATION JUST SAYING THEY ARE MORE LIQUID NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MORE LEVERAGED IS NOT A SATISFACTORY ANSWER.
PERHAPS SOMEONE CAN ANSWER THE POINTS BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE A
DECISION TODAY. >> TRYING TO SATISFY THE BOND DEBT. PAY OUR TRADE CREDITORS IN FULL AND ENSURE THAT WE, THERE'S CONTINUED EMPLOYMENT.
ONE OF THE PROVISIONS OF THE PROPOSED SALE IS THEY WILL RETAIN 90% OF OUR EMPLOYEES. THAT'S IMPORTANT.
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I CAN'T YOU KNOW, NO ONE HAS THE CRYSTAL BALL WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO EXACTLY HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THEIR MONEY AND SUCH AS THAT. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WELFARE FEDERATION CANNOT AND ALL OF THE PARADE OF HORRIBLES THAT LEAD INTO OUR LIKELY TO HAPPEN IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER IF WE DON'T FACILITATE A SALE IN A QUICK MANNER BECAUSE WE ARE LOSING CASH AT ABOUT $165,000 A MONTH. I WOULD, I HAVE MY OWN IDEAS.THERE COULD BE A BETTER DEAL AND WE HAVE -- I FEEL WE KICKED ENOUGH TIRES TO KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A BETTER DEAL BECAUSE THE TIME EATS INTO THE RESERVE IF YOU WILL THAT WE HAVE. THE BOND HOLDERS, THAT WAS A ONE-TIME CAPITAL RAISE. THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXTEND ADDITIONAL CREDIT TO US. THAT CASH ONCE IT'S RAISED IS ALL THEY HAVE. THERE ARE, THE DOCTOR LAKE MENTIONED IT'S EXPENSIVE CREDIT. IT DOESN'T LOOK SO MUCH ON THE FRONT END. WHEN YOU HAVE TO REPLENISH AND KEEP RESERVES WHICH ARE GOOD PRACTICE.
THAT TAKES AWAY FROM YOUR ABILITY TO MITIGATE THE FLUCTUATIONS. WE'RE ASKING FOR AN ASSIGNMENT.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT ORCHID COVE WILL ALWAYS PERFORM UNDER THE LEASE. IT IS, THAT'S A NO BRAINER.
THERE'S A NOMINAL LEASE PAYMENT. AND IF THEY DON'T OVER LEVERAGE THEMSELVES, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN IT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE CRYSTAL BALL TO KNOW THEY WILL.
WE DO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IF IT DOESN'T AND THE GOAL IS PRESERVING A HEALTHCARE FACILITY AND EMPLOYMENT OR BOTH SERVED BY THIS ASSIGNMENT. THAT'S THE WAY WE VIEW IT AND TIMELINESS IS KEY HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME. THE BOARD SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT SOLUTIONS AND TRYING TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS.
THE BOND HOLDERS HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE.
THEY HAVE THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED.
THEY DON'T WANT THE BONDS TO LOSE THEIR TAX EXEMPT STATUS AND THEN THEIR CONSTITUENTS, THE BOND HOLDERS HAVE AN ISSUE.
TO THE CONCERNS THAT YOU KNOW ARE WE DOING IT RIGHT, ARE WE GOING TO EXPOSE THE COUNTY? ARE WE CREATING A PROBLEM? THIS IS A BOSTON-BASED NATIONAL FIRM THAT HAS BEEN ON TOP OF EVERY ISSUE. WE HAVE AN OPEN BOOK WITH THEM AND SPEND TIME WITH THEM WALKING THROUGH THE ISSUES AND THE CONCERNS AND THEY ARE OVER LOOKING OUR SHOULDERS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT. AND THEY SEE THE BENEFIT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. SO SOME OF THESE CONCERNS WE HEAR. THAT THE ABILITY TO CLOSE THE TIMELINESS TO CLOSE AND ALL THESE FAVOR APPROVAL OF THE ASSIGNMENT. THERE WILL BE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. IF WE CLOSE, I KNOW WITH CERTAINTY ARE THE CONCERNS THAT REALLY OUGHT TO EFFECT US AS WE PAY THE BONDS OFF, PAY OUR CREDITORS AND PRESERVE THE JOBS FOR AS LONG AS ORCHID COVE CAN OPERATE
>> IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, CONSISTENT WITH THAT POINT, NOT ONLY HAS MENS-LEVIN AND THE MAJORITY OF THE BOND HOLDERS BEEN ON BOARD WITH LOOKING AT THIS.
I AM VERY AFRAID IF WE DO IN THE RECEIVE AN APPROVAL FOR THE ASSIGNMENT OF THE LEASE, THEY WILL SEE IT AS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE. AT $165,000 A MONTH OF CASH BURN, I DON'T SEE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING IN THE SHORT TERM OTHER THAN TO SHUTTER THE BUILDING.
YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTS, YOU HAVE THE JOBS.
WE ASKED THEM TO BE PATIENT TO ALLOW US TO AT LEAST PUT FORWARD AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN AND IT MAY BE LESS THAN PERFECT, BUT I THINK IT'S A PLAN THAT WILL SATISFY THE BOND HOLDERS AND I DO BELIEVE THERE'S ROOM HERE IN THE ORCHID COVE BUSINESS MODEL TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO
COMMISSIONER SMITH NEXT. >> THANK YOU.
YOU KNOW DR. LAKE, WE HAVE BEEN FREQUENTLY BEING ABLE TO MEET.
WE MET IN 2019 WITH AMENDMENT TO THE REFUNDING BONDS.
I WANT TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I HAVE A QUESTION WHEN IT COMES TO REVENUE. SITTING IN THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETINGS I'M SURE IF I GO BACK BEFORE THEM, THEY WILL ASK THE SAME QUESTION, AND LIKEWISE WHEN YOU CAME BEFORE THE BOARD, THERE WAS SOME PARAMETERS THAT HAD BEEN SET THAT I THINK THAT ONE OF THEM BEING A LETTER OF INTENT
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SIGNED BY FLAGLER HILL PLUS. IF I READ THAT LETTER OF INTENT.IT WAS NOT A BINDING AGREEMENT, HOWEVER IT WAS A LETTER OF INTENT THAT APPEARED TO BE GOING TO BRING SOME SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REVENUE TO BAY WAY TO THE FEDERATION.
CAN I ASK WHY THAT WAS NEVER SIGNED? WHY THAT NEVER CAME TO FRUITION? WAS IT PART OF THE MANAGEMENT PLAN? I'M CURIOUS WHY IT WASN'T.
IT APPEARS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A TREMENDOUS AID TO YOU.
>> THANK YOU. FLAGLER HOSPITAL AND THE LARGER ENTITY OF FLAGLER HEALTH PLUS HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO US.
THEY, WE COLLABORATE WITH THEM TO TRY TO IMPROVE THE INTERFACE OF THE DISCHARGE OR WHAT IS NOW CALLED TRANSITIONAL SYSTEMS FROM ACUTE CARE TO POST ACUTE CARE. EVERYTHING IN THE LETTER OF INTENT WAS NOT ONLY CONTEMPLATED AND DESIGNED AFTERWARD IT WAS SUCCESSFUL. THE LETTER OF INTENT HAD A $75,000 ENHANCEMENT TO OUR REVENUE BECAUSE OF MORE EFFICIENT TRANSITIONS THAT ALLOWED US TO HAVE AN EVEN HIGHER METACARE CENSUS AND METACARE DRIVES THE FINANCIALS IN OUR WORK. FIRST COAST HEALTH ALLIANCE, THE ACO FOR THE HOSPITAL. THE FIRST CITY HOSPITAL GROUP, THE HOSPITAL ITSELF, FLAGLER HOME CARE, WE COLLABORATED ON THAT AND RESULTED IN BETWEEN $89,000 AND $100,000 A MONTH OF INCREASED REVENUE. THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT A PHASE THREE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MEMORIALIZED IN A PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT. THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PHASE THREE IS THAT IT WAS GOING TO REQUIRE THE SECURING OF ADDITIONAL STAFF AND ADDITIONAL COSTS.
SO EVERYONE WANTED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.
IT WAS ABOUT THE TIME WE WERE SETTLING ON WHAT MODELS TO USE FOR THAT, THAT THE EFFECTS OF COVID HIT US AND ALL OF THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN BAY VIEW AND THE HOME HEALTH CARE FOCUSED ON THE SURVIVAL OF GETTING THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.
THERE ISN'T A FORMAL PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT THAT WAS EXECUTED. THEY WERE CERTAINLY VERY FORMAL REVAMPS OF SYSTEMS THAT HAD A REVENUE ENHANCEMENT TO US.
THERE PROBABLY IS MORE THAN WE COULD DO BUT WE JUST QUITE FRANKLY HAVE RUN OUT OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO MEET OUR DEBT OBLIGATIONS, OUR TRADE CREDITORS AND OUR UNSECURED CREDITORS AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
>> DR. LAKE, DID NOT HAVING A BINDING AGREEMENT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE BOND HOLDERS DECISION TO ESCROW A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE MONEY THAT PROCEEDS FROM THE SALE OF
THE ESCROWING OF BUCKINGHAM FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW, THE NET PROCEEDS FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW WAS SIMPLY TRADING ONE SECURITY FOR ANOTHER. THEY HAD A MORTGAGE ON A BUILDING. WE WEREN'T USING THE BUILDING.
WE WERE HAVING TO SPEND MONEY JUST KEEPING IT UP AND SO UNTIL THEY SAW THINGS TURN IN SUCH A WAY THEY COULD HAVE CONFIDENCE IN IT, THEY WANTED TO HOLD INSTEAD OF THE MORTGAGE, THE
CASH FROM THE NET PROCEEDS. >> VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> THANK YOU. WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP THIS, UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS. OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 4.
>> THE APPROVAL OF THE LEASE ASSIGNMENT.
>> NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE MA'AM.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS VICKY PEPPER.
3121 HARBOR VISITA CIRCLE. I AM HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF AS A CITIZEN AND TAXPAYER AND CARE. CARE IS COMMUNITY ADVOCATES FOR RACIAL EQUITY. CARE IS AN INFORMAL INDEPENDENT CIVIC ACTION GROUP THAT GREW OUT OF THE ON GOING CONVERSATIONS EFFORT. BOTH OF MY LATE PARENTS SPENT CONSIDERABLE TIME IN BAY VIEW DURING THEIR LIFETIMES.
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CONSEQUENTLY, I HAVE ALSO SPENT MANY, MANY HOURS AT BAY VIEW OVER THE YEARS. I WAS SURPRISED AND SADDENED TO SEE THAT BAY VIEW IS IN SUCH SERIOUS FINANCIAL TROUBLE.AND APPARENTLY IS GOING OUT OF BUSINESS.
BUT I ALSO WAS NOT AWARE THAT THE COUNTY ACTUALLY OWNS THE PRIME WATERFRONT LOCATION. AND LEASES IT TO BAY VIEW FOR $12 A YEAR. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING, I'M A LITTLE MORE BASED ON THE REPRESENTATIONS TODAY ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF SIGNEE ORCHID COVE OTHER THAN APPARENTLY, IT RUNS FACILITIES AND PROVIDES SERVICES SIMILAR TO BAY VIEW BUT ON A FOR-PROFIT BASIS. I DO THINK IT'S FAIR TO ASSUME WITH THE FOR-PROFIT ENTITY THE MISSION AND PURPOSE OF THE FACILITY MIGHT CHANGE OVER TIME. AND I DO KNOW IF I UNDERSTAND THE DOCUMENTS CORRECTLY, AND THE DEAL IS COMPLETED, THAT THIS FOR-PROFIT ENTITY WOULD HAVE THE USE OF PRIME REAL ESTATE OWNED BY THE COUNTY FOR THE NEXT 70 YEARS.
ESSENTIALLY RENT FREE. I AM NOT EXPERT IN SUCH MATTERS AND I DON'T YET KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS PROPOSED DEAL TO KNOW IF IT'S IN OR NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZEN OF ST.
JOHNS COUNTY, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ALL CITIZENS NOT JUST BOND HOLDERS. AS A CITIZEN, TAXPAYER AND ADVOCATE FOR RACIAL EQUITY, I HAVE MANY QUESTIONS AND CONCERN BUSINESS THIS PROPOSAL. AS OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES AND CARETAKERS OF PUBLIC INTEREST, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHETHER THIS PROPOSAL IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST BEFORE YOU WOULD APPROVE IT. AS I READ THE IMPACT STATEMENT IN THE PACKET, THE PRIMARY ARGUMENT IS THAT THIS ASSIGNMENT IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST BECAUSE IT WILL ALLOW THE BOND HOLDERS TO GET THEIR MONEY AND PRESERVE THE COUNTY'S EXCELLENT BOND RATING AND SUCH ECONOMIC FACTORS TO TAKE INTO EFFECT IN EVALUATING THE PROPOSAL. THIS SHOULD BE MORE ABOUT THAN JUST MONEY. AS PUBLIC OFFICIALS, YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON PEOPLE AND ON ALL THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I KNOW LITTLE ABOUT ORCHID
COVE'S PLAN FOR THE FACILITY. >> MA'AM WE HAVE A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT. TRY TO FINISH UP.
TRY TO BRING IT UP FOR A LANDING QUICKLY.
>> WE KNOW A LITTLE MORE BASED ON REPRESENTATIONS BUT I DID IN THE SEE THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN ORCHID COVE AND BAY VIEW IN THE PACKET. AND THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS ASSERT THAT NONE OF BOARD RESOLUTIONS APPROVING THE BOND ISSUE OR LEASE OF PREDICATED ON THE TENANT BEING A 5013 C
FACILITY. >> TO BE FAIR TO ALL THE OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS. WE HAVE TO LIMIT TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU MA'AM.
>> EVERYONE IS SUBJECT TO THREE MINUTE RULE UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT. WE DON'T WANT TO FAVOR ANY
SINGLE ONE PERSON. >> BJ KLATY.
I AGREE WHAT THE WOMAN SAID. THIS SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED SINCE THE EVALUATION OF PROPOSED FINANCIAL BENEFIT AND OTHER PROPOSED BENEFIT HAS NOT BEEN MADE AVAILABLE.
HAS NOT BEEN MADE AVAILABLE. THE FOR PROFIT KNOWN AS ORCHID COVE MAY NOT PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
THIS WILL ALLOW MR. LAKE TO INTO ANOTHER LEASE DEAL WITHOUT AN ALTERNATIVE ASSIGNEE WITHOUT COMING TO THE BOARD.
THIS IS NOT TRANSPARENCY. TO TURN BAY VIEW HEALTH CARE, LOCATED ON THE WATER. PRIME PROPERTY AT 161 MARINE STREET WILL EFFECT COST FOR HEALTHCARE.
REMEMBER, I'M GLAD THIS IS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE I PAID ATTENTION ABOUT THESE THINGS. BUCKINGHAM SMITH 169 ML KING IN THE MIDDLE OF LINCOLNVILLE WAS PROVIDED FOR THE HEALTHCARE OF THE POOR WITH SOLD TO A PRIVATE WHITE SCHOOL AND NOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR MORE SPACE TO PARK THEIR CARS.
THE TIMING OF THIS PROPOSAL SHOULD NOT BE COUNTY STAFF'S OR THIS BOARD'S REASON TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION EXHIBIT A AND EXHIBIT B. YOU WILL HAVE NO CONTROL.
THIS COUNTY IS TO PROTECT THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF RESIDENTS NOT TO MAKE A PROFIT FOR A NEW JERSEY COMPANY OR A NON-PROFIT
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AND THE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY BOARD MEMBER THAT THE BUSINESS MODEL OBVIOUSLY HAS FAILED.WHERE THAT PROPERTY IS IS GOING TO FLOOD AGAIN WHETHER A HURRICANE OR NOT. THEY CAN'T EVEN GET THE NATIONAL GUARDS OUT THERE IN THE COA. COA HAS RIVER HOUSE.
IS THIS GOING TO BE TURNED TO A PARTY PLACE FOR UPSCALE PEOPLE BECAUSE TO BE ON THE WATER? YOU'RE GIVING OUR PROPERTY AWAY AND THAT'S MY CONCERN. I DON'T CARE THE PROPERTY TAXES YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM THIS FOR PROFIT IS NOT GOING TO GET US THE MONEY TO PAY FOR OUR ROADS SO THAT THIS NON-PROFIT IT MAKE A BUCK. THIS IS WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
WE FAILED ASSUME YOU FAILED. LET IT GO AWAY BECAUSE IF IT GOES AWAY, THEN THE PERSON COMING IN, THE PROFIT PERSON CAN MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND CAN WE HAVE MORE IN PROPERTY TAXES.
THIS IS SO WRONG THE WAY THIS THING HAS BEEN HANDLED.
SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP TO THIS BOARD TODAY WITHOUT ALL THE FACTS. THANK YOU.
>> FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM FOUR? I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CONCLUDED. >> JUST A COUPLE NOTES.
I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN HEAR A LONG TIME.
I WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS.
THE REASON THERE'S AN ALTERNATE LESSEE IN YOUR PACKAGE WAS SUBJECT TO IF THE BOARD OR THINGS DID NOT WORK OUT WITH ORCHID COVE, THERE WOULD BE A BACKUP VETTED BY THE COUNTY AND THE WELFARE FEDERATION BEFORE ANY ASSIGNMENT WAS MADE.
THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE ALTERNATE DOCUMENT IN YOUR PACKAGE. JUST FOR FLEXIBILITY.
AND BECAUSE OF THE TIMING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WITH THE RESPECT TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST, WE ALL NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT AND I'M NOT A BOND LAWYER BUT I KNOW ONE.
BECAUSE HE'S ONE OF MY LAW PARTNERS AND THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH BY THE BOOK PEOPLE. YOU KNOW I THINK THAT IF WE HAVE GOT A BOND TRUSTEE AND BOND COUNSEL TELLING THEM HEY, BY THE WAY, IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING QUICKLY WE WILL I BELIEVE MR. TIMES AND MR. LAKE WHEN THEY SAY THAT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE BEING TOLD. I THINK THE TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE WITH RESPECT TO AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT MS. KLATY WAS SAYING. IT'S NOT AN OPTION OF THE COUNTY CAN TAKE THE FACILITY BACK. THERE'S A HEALTHCARE FACILITY SITTING ON THE PROPERTY SUBJECT TO BOND DEBT.
SO SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN WITH RESPECT TO THAT BOND DEBT BEFORE ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN TO THAT FACILITY.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE NEED TO CONTEMPLATE.
SO THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS DO WE SAVE THESE 165 JOBS AND PRESERVE HEALTHCARE IN OUR COMMUNITY OR DO WE LET THE BOND HOLDERS DECIDE THAT WHETHER THEY WANT TO PRESERVE THOSE JOBS AND THAT HEALTHCARE OR NOT? THAT'S MY BOTTOM LINE.
LARRY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO
SAY OR RICK? >> JUST A REMINDER, WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH. THIS IS A LEASE THAT IS NOT IN DEFAULT. AND WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE ASKING FOR THE PERMISSION TO SOLVE THE ISSUE.
BOND HOLDERS EXERCISE THEIR REMEDIES.
THIS ISN'T A SCENARIO WHERE IT REVERTS BACK TO THE COUNTY.
THERE'S $13 MILLION OWED ON THIS BOND DEBT.
THEY'RE GOING TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHTS AND SELL IT.
THE QUESTION IS DO WE HURT, IT MAY SHUTTER BEFORE IT SELLS.
BUT IT WILL SELL AT SOME POINT. THIS LEASE WILL REMAIN IN TACT.
WE'RE ASKING THE COUNTY TO APPROVE AN ASSIGNMENT WHERE WE PAY EVERYONE IN FULL WHERE WE NEGOTIATED TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE OUR EMPLOYEE RETENTION AT LEAST AT 90%.
WE ARE THE USE OF THE PROPERTY IS GOVERNED BY THE LEASE AND RESTRICTED TO HEALTHCARE. SO PRESERVATION OF JOBS AND HEALTHCARE ACCESS TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS PRESERVED AND THE TANGENTAL BENEFIT IS PAYING OFF THE BONDS AND ANY POTENTIAL NEGATIVE HIT ON THE BOND ISSUANCE.
WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY MUCH MORE
INTENSE ANALYSIS THANK YOU. >> SURE.
THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE BOARD.
COMMISSIONER DEAN FIRST. >> FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY IN MY OPINION THIS PROPOSAL IS THE BEST SOLUTION TO A VERY
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DIFFICULT SITUATION. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GO FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDED ACTION THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.I THINK THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LIQUIDITY; NOT FOR PROFITS, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LIQUIDITY. I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BETA GRIFFIN HOUSE OR THE SALVATION ARMY.
THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE A PLACE FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO GO MY MOTHER-IN-LAW WAS IN BAY VIEW FOR 10 YEARS BEFORE SHE PASSED AWAY IN 2009. I FEEL A FIDUCIARY EXPERIENCE WE WILL NOT BE EXPOSED TO ANY TAX LIABILITY.
I HEARD AND I'M GOING TO SAY I HEARD THE ATTORNEY FOR THE FEDERATION. I'M ASKING OUR ATTORNEYS AND I THINK REGINA, YOU SAID WE HAVE YET TO HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER
TO US BECAUSE IT CAME SO LATE. >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> WHAT I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A POSSIBLE PATH FORWARD BECAUSE I KNOW TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE FOR THE FEDERATION AND I WANT TO MOVE AHEAD.
NORMALLY THE WAY I WOULD DO THIS IN MY PAST LIFE IS COME UP WITH A PRECONDITION OF CLOSING. I SUGGEST, THIS COUNTY HAS ISSUED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN BONDS WHETHER IT'S BEEN ROAD BONDS OR UTILITY BONDS AND I KNOW WE HAVE A FINANCIAL ADVISEMENT FIRM IN PFM. IT SEEMS TO ME WE COULD GET A QUICK ANSWER FROM AN APPROPRIATE BOND COUNSEL IF WE INCLUDE THAT AS A PRECONDITION OF APPROVING OR CLOSING ON THIS PROPERTY WITH ORCHID COVE. SO WITH THAT SAID, I'M PREPARED UNLESS YOU WANT FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD, I WILL COME BACK
AND MAKE A MOTION. >> LET'S COME BACK.
COMMISSIONER DEAN. THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS.
LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH AND LEGAL HAS COMMENTS
>> I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARD TO HOW THIS WORKS IF ORCHID IS NOT ADDRESSED. IF ORCHID COVE HEALTH GROUP LLC IS NOT THE CHOSEN ONE THAT DOES SIGN A PURCHASE AGREEMENT, ARE WE SIGNING ALL OF OUR, THAT ANYBODY CAN BE PUT INTO THAT BLANK? IS THAT, OR DOES THIS BOARD HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE IT? >> COMMISSIONER SMITH, THIS IS A GOOD QUESTION. THERE ARE A COUPLE PROVISIONS IN THE LEASE THAT ONE OF THE PROVISIONS THAT MR. TIMES TALKED TO WAS IN THE EVENT THE SALE DOESN'T GO THROUGH AND THE RIGHT OF THE LEASE HOLDER TO BRING IN AN ADDITIONAL AGENCY BE IT PROFIT OR NON-PROFIT. I KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE STEPS WE CAN TAKE BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT.
STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH MISS SMITH AND HER GROUP, AVERY SMITH AND HER GROUP TO GET ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE PST QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED. PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LEASE AGREEMENT. THE LEASE IS A PRETTY COMPLICATED AGREEMENT. WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VET ALL OF THE VIABLE OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
CAN I GIVE YOU A DIRECT YES OR NO THAT SOMEBODY ELSE CAN COME? I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN ANSWER WITHOUT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARSE THROUGH THIS BETTER AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE AVAILABLE OPTIONS AND PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH OTHER VIABLE OPTIONS IN ADDITION TO THE OPTION THAT MR. TIMS LAID OUT.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SMITH.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? JUST TO THE CHAIR. I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH HAS LAID OUT A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS REGARDING VIABLE OPTIONS. WE STILL HAVE THE OUTSTANDING QUESTION REGARDING THE DEBT SERVICE AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A LIABILITY FOR THE TAXES AS WELL AS THE BOND, DO THE BONDS LOSE THEIR TAX EXEMPT STATUS? WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHER ISSUES REGARDING HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME PDESCRIPT BUSINESS MODEL BY ORCHID MOVING FORWARD. I THINK THE BOARD HAS ASKED FOR SOME OF THOSE DETAILS AT LEAST IF WE HAVE A BIRD'S EYE VIEW.
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THE BOARD WOULD BE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AND WE STILL HAVE THE OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS BY THE IDA. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FOR THE BOARD THAT WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT SEEM TO BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, PRETTY MATERIAL TO THIS TRANSACTION THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO.AGAIN STAFF REMAINS COMMITTED TO WORK WITH THE IDA TO WORK WITH THE REQUESTORS BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THE POSITION THEY'RE IN. WE RECOGNIZE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THEY'RE WORKING WITH. THEY'RE WORKING ON A VERY SHORT TIMELINE. WE ARE COMMITTED TO PROVIDING THE BOARD ALL THE ANSWERS IT NEEDS AS WELL AS TO WORK WITH THEM TO GET THE BEST VIABLE OPTION FOR THE COUNTY AS WELL AS
THANK YOU. LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER
WALDRON. >> BACK TO COMMISSIONER DEAN'S OBSERVATION, COULD WE MAKE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THE CLOSING? IF IT'S 90 DAYS WE HAVE MORE TIME TO VET AND BE A SIGNER ON THE CLOSING?
NOT JUST THE LEASE? >> ACTUALLY, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER. I DON'T KNOW THE STRUCTURE OF THE CLOSING. I HADN'T SEEN THE STRUCTURE OF THE DEAL BETWEEN ORCHID AND THE FEDERATION.
>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR CAN, I WILL CALL IT DO THE VETTING BETWEEN NOW AND THE ORCHID CLOSING TO ANSWER THE
>> OR IF THERE'S ANOTHER COMPANY.
>> THAT WAY KIND OF CLEARS IT UP FOR US.
>> BUT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE THE DEAL WE HAVE BY NOT GIVING US PERMISSION TO BE ABLE TO ASSIGN.
DOCTOR, I'M GOING TO WEIGH IN. I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A PRESSING ISSUE.
WE ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS A BOARD TO MAKE SURE.
YOU JUST HEARD FROM OUR STAFF TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS RIGHT NOW. WHAT COMMISSIONER WALDRON ASKED, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING AGAIN, ARE YOU ABLE TO BASED ON THE DEAL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, ARE YOU ABLE TO MAKE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR THE FINAL ON THE
CLOSING. >> I THINK THAT'S DOABLE.
AGAIN THOUGH, I THINK WE NEED SOMETHING MORE DEFINITIVE THAN
DOABLE. >> YES WE CAN ADD THE PROVISION WHERE THEY SIGN IT. THE LEASE REQUIRES APPROVAL OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY IF YOU CONDITION YOUR APPROVAL ON THE ADMINISTRATOR BEING SATISFIED, TO ME THAT'S FINE.
I JUST AGAIN WANT TO KIND OF FALL THROUGH DR. LAKE'S POINT, THE WHAT IS THE APPROVAL, THE LEASE ASSIGNMENT IS, YOU KNOW -- IS THERE A BETTER OFFER? WE GET INTO WEIRD AREAS WHETHER
WE TRY TO ASSIGN THE LEASE. >> LET ME TRY TO CLARIFY THIS.
>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, WE CAN HAVE HIM SIGN OFF.
IF THIS IS THE PURCHASER, THAT WE'RE ALL GOOD TO GO.
I THINK WE WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
I FEEL SAFE ON THE TAX ISSUES. THE BOND COUNSEL OF MINCE LIVEN
IS ATTUNED TO THE SITUATION. >> I UNDERSTAND.
THERE ARE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES NOT TO ST.
JOHNS COUNTY. OUR ATTORNEYS HAVE UNANSWERED
QUESTIONS. >> LET'S SAY THE ANSWER IS YES.
WE WILL WORK WITH THE COUNTY'S ATTORNEY OFFICE AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND GET THEIR SIGN OFF BEFORE THE FINAL DEAL
THANK YOU. SMITH.GOING BACK TO COMMISSIONE-
>> I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED HERE.
I SEE THE MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION WHATEVER IT IS.
APPROVING THE TERMS AND REQUIREMENTS OF ASSIGNMENT AND ASSUMPTION OF LEASE AND MODIFICATION BETWEEN ST. JOHNS WELFARE FEDERATION INCORPORATED, ORCHID COVE HEALTH GROUP AND ST.
JOHNS COUNTY. I READ IN NUMBER TWO, IN THE EVENT AN ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT IS NOT MET, THE FEDERATION IS ALSO REQUESTING THE ABILITY TO SELL ITS FACILITIES AND FOR BOARD TO AGREE TO ASSIGN THE LEASE HOLD ENTER TO ANOTHER FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION.
THE MOTION IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IS ON THE COVER SHEET.
WHAT IS THE DEAL? IS THE DEAL EXCLUSIVELY WHAT IS HERE IN THE MOTION AND SPECIFIC TO ORCHID COVE OR IS THERE A NOTION THAT OPENS IT UP TO ANYBODY AND IF IT IS ANYBODY, DO YOU COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL OF THAT?
>> SO IN ANSWER TO YOUR COUNTY, BECAUSE OF THE COUNTY AGENDA
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DEADLINES, WE DID NOT AT THAT POINT THIS TEAM DID NOT KNOW IF ORCHID COVE WAS THE FINALIST. WE WILL SAY THAT.FOR I WILL PUT IT THAT WAY IN MY VERN VERNACULAR. WE REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AND TWO THE ALTERNATIVES.
IN THE EVENT THAT THE COUNTY BECAUSE NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATOR AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THE BOARD RAISED TODAY.
WE ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AND THE TWO ALTERNATIVE AGREEMENTS AND ALSO I WOULD NOTE THAT ORCHID COVE MAY HAVE AN ENTITY THAT IS NOT LISTED IN THAT, IN THE FIRST AGREEMENT I WILL CALL IT. IT MAY BE ANOTHER LLC FORMED BY ORCHID COVE THAT IS WITHIN THAT PRENT COMPANY IF YOU WILL.
THAT MAY BE SUBSTITUTED FOR THE NAME ORCHID HOME HEALTH GROUP.
>> THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO COMMISSIONER DEAN
NEXT. >> THAT CALLS ME TO ASK THE QUESTION. I'M SUGGESTED A MOTION.
I PLAN ON MAKING A MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WRITTEN MOTION THAT I CAN REFER TO AND INCLUDE, IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROVED. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT I'M LOADING AND AND MOVING. I OFFER THIS AS A SUGGESTION.
I HATE TO DELAY THINGS FOR THESE FOLKS HAVE BEEN HERE ALL DAY.
BUT WE MAY WANT TO TAKE A SHORT BREAK LIKE WE SAID EARLIER, HALF AN HOUR AND TAKE THIS UP IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BREAK WITH A PROPOSED MOTION WHICH WILL INCORPORATE WHAT THEY DESCRIBED SO I CAN OFFER THE MOTION AND HAVE DISCUSSION AND VOTE AND DO THAT IN A WAY THAT IS CLEAR AND DELIBERATE AND NOT JUST OFF THE CUFF HERE. MY SUGGESTION IS WE PAUSE, TAKE A BREAK, LOOK AT A WRITTEN MOTION.
ELLEN, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THE MOTION YOU JUST DESCRIBED IT? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IN
WRITING. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A 30-MINUTE BREAK TO GIVE OUR STAFF WORKING HERE A CHANCE TO GET LUNCH, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS NUMBER 5 ON THE AGENDA AND POSSIBLY NUMBER 6 BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE WAITING HERE AND CO
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WE'RE BACK FROM RECESS. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO AGENDAITEM NUMBER 5. >> THIS HAS EX PARTE REQUIREMENT. LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER
WHITEHURST. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
I HAD A CONVERSATION AT 11:44 LAST THURSDAY, WHICH -- PLEASE FORGIVE ME. THE 15TH WITH DOUG BURNETT ABOUT THIS PROJECT. WE DISCUSSED THE TRAFFIC.
THE SURROUNDINGS, THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND ITS SURROUNDINGS. I MET WITH HUGH MATTHEWS OF ETM AT HIS OFFICE. HE DISCUSSED THE TREE LINE AND THE CONCERS ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE VERSUS THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF THE PROJECT. THAT'S ALL I
>> OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. COMMISSIONER WALDRON.
>> JULY 14TH AT 1:55, I SPOKE WITH DOUG BURNETT.
WE SPOKE WITH THE NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS, THE LOCATION ON THE
DUVAL COUNTY LINE AND THAT'S IT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.
>> ON I BELIEVE IT WAS FRIDAY AFTERNOON THE 16TH, I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH DOUG BURNETT.
HE OUTLINED AND COVERED THE SAME ISSUES THAT PAUL JUST
COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
I HAD OI PHONE CALL WITH MR BURNETT.
DISCUSSED THE SITE AND THE PAST HISTORY AND PART OF THE BCC SAINT VINCENT'S ITEMS 18 MONTHS OR SO AND DISCUSSED HAVING NO
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OPPOSITION BACK 1995. THIS WAS ASSUMED TO BE COMMERCIAL. WE DISCUSSED THE DENIAL AND TALKED ABOUT THE CONFORMITY AND COMPATIBILITY OF THIS PARTICULAR LOT, 100 FEET FROM THE MULTIFAMILY TO THE WEST.DISCUSSED 140 FEET FROM THE ROAD.
DISCUSSED THE WAIVER TO THE SOUTH.
AND THEN DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS CLIENT AND HAVING THE
PONTE VEDRA ON THE LEFT. >> WE SPOKE ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
SPOKE ABOUT THE P ZAPS DENIAL AND THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
THEIR INPUT AND THEIR ACTUAL APPROVAL.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.
FOR THE RECORD, DOUG BURNETT. ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP.
I'M HERE AND YOU WILL HEAR FROM A COUPLE OTHER PRESENTERS WITH ME DURING THIS PROCESS THIS AFTERNOON NOW.
BUT LET ME SAY I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF NIA HALL MARK, ALEX COLY IS HERE AS WELL AS MIKE MASH MEYER AND PART OF OUR TEAM IS ENGLAND TIMES AND MILLER. MR. HUGH MATTHEW SYSTEM HERE WITH US AND STUDIO 9 ARCHITECTURE WHICH YOU WILL SEE THEIR WIZARDRY AND JASON FAULKNER IS HERE STUDIO 9.
JUST TO GET THROUGH THE MAPS. FURTHER NORTH POINT IN PONTE VEDRA. WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY TO THE WEST.
THE LARGE TARGET BUILDING IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH.
THERE'S ALSO MCDONALDS ON THE NORTH.
TO THE SOUTH IS AN UNDEVELOPED PARCEL OWNED BY A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER AND NEAR THE JTB INTERCHANGE WITH A 1 A.
FUTURE LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL C.
THE USE WE'RE PROPOSING FITS WELL WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TYPE OF USE. EXISTING ZONING IS R 1 C, MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE IN THE R 1 C BLOCK IS THAT FOUR ACRE IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF US. AGAIN OWNED BY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER. THIS PARCEL INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THIS IS A MEMO JACK POPE, MANY OF YOU WILL RECALL THAT HE WAS IN MANY WAYS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE PONTE VEDRA OVER LAY WHO IMPLEMENTED AND HEAVILY INVOLVED OVER THE YEARS.
THIS IS A YOUNG COUNTY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME.
PATRICK MCCORMAC IN 1996 SAYING THIS SITE SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL SPECIFICALLY IN HIS MEMO. SAYS THESE PARCELS SHOULD BE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL USES. SO, AT LEAST AS FAR BACK AS THIS TIME WE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL SITE.
WE'RE FINALLY HERE. LOOKING AT THE PROJECT ITSELF.
ENGLAND SIMMS AND MILLER DID OUR MASTER PLAN MAP.
BUT A LITTLE COLOR TO THE MAP SOMETIMES HELP.
YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING. RETENTION POND IN THE BACK.
OUR 10 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER AND BECAUSE WE SET THE BUILDING BACK 20 FEET ON THE NORTH SIDE, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING TO THE NORTH AND THAT NORTH CORNER.
WHICH WAS SOMETHING TO THE PONTE VEDRA ASKED US TO DO.
PARKING AROUND THE BUILDING. AND FOR THE MOST PART, WE'RE MEETING THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE COLD.
OUR BUILDING ON THE NORTH, WE MEET THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT OF 20 FEET OFF TO THE BUILDING FOR SETBACK.
TO THE WEST WE'RE 100 FEET IN THE REAR.
AND SO WE DEFINITELY MEET THAT. THEN ON THE FRONT SIDE, WE'RE 50 FEET. ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE'RE 40 FEET, WHICH THE REQUIREMENT IS A 50 FOOT SETBACK TO THE SOUTH IF WE'RE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. OF COURSE, RIGHT NOW THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL. WHEN IT'S REZONED TO COMMERCIAL, BECAUSE IT'S OWNED BY A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER, THEY THAT 40-FOOT WOULD ONLY BE CEL,- REQUIRED TO BE 20 FOOT.
WE MEET THE REQUIREMENT IN SPIRIT AT LEAST.
WE WOULD COMMIT TO YOU. ALTHOUGH IT'S A WAIVER WE HAD TO REQUEST. AND THEN AGAIN TAKING THE SITE PLAN. ENGLAND TIMES AND MILLER WAS
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ABLE TO CREATE THIS OVER LAY AND PUT COLOR WHERE YOU CAN REALLY SEE WHERE IT LAYS IN. YOU CAN SEE THE TARGET BUILDING AND HOW THERE IS AROUND THE LIFT STATION SITE TO THE NORTH, A LOT OF EXISTING MATURE TREE CANOPY THERE.I WILL COME BACK TO THIS. YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEX. AND YOU CAN SEE THE DISTANCE OF OUR BUILDING FROM A 1 A, WHICH THE BUILDING SETBACK A PRETTY GOOD WAYS FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. PRETTY GOOD WAYS FROM THE HARD SURFACE ITSELF. LOOKING AT THE AERIAL AGAIN.
THE ETM SITE PLAN. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE TRASH COMPACTOR FOR THE MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT THAT'S BEHIND US. I SUBMIT TO YOU THEY'RE NOT LOOKING IN THIS DIRECTION. THEY DIDN'T PUT THIS HERE AND DEVELOP THIS. THIS IS A NEWER DEVELOPMENT OR ADDITION TO THEIR PROJECT. THIS DIDN'T USED TO BE IN THE LOCATION. THEY PUT THAT THERE WHERE THE CARS CAN LOOP AROUND AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE RESIDENTS.
THIS IS OUR VIEW. LOOKING AT THE TARGET ITSELF.
GOT A FEW PICTURES HERE TO SHOW YOU TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS THE LIFT STATION SITE.
YOU CAN SEE THE MATURE TREE CANOPY.
THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE TARGET BUILDING FROM THE SAME LOCATION AND LOOKING DOWN THE BACKSIDE OF THE TARGET BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS VIEW THE THREE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES THOSE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN FROM. BUT THEN THE ADDED THING IS, YOU CAN SEE THE ORIENTATION OF THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS BEHIND US.
THIS SHOWS YOU ALSO BEFORE THEY DEVELOP THE TRASH COMPACTOR IN THIS LOCATION, THEY ARE REDESIGNED THIS.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS LAID OUT FOR PARKING ON BOTH SIDES AND LOOPS AROUND THE TRASH COMPACTOR. IT IS SOMEWHERE IN THIS LOCATION. IT SHOWS YOU THE UNITS ARE NOT LOOKING THIS DIRECTION. THIS IS LOOKING OVER GREEN SPACE AND THE MULTIFAMILY UNIT IN THE NORTH IS LOOKING OVER THE RETENTION POND AND GREEN SPACE. NEITHER LOOK TOWARD OUR SITE AND WE HAVE A 100 FOOT BUFFER. LET ME ASK JASON FAULKNER TO JOIN ME HERE. HE'S A PROJECT ARCHITECT.
JASON, IF YOU WOULD, RUN THROUGH THE DRAWINGS FOR US WITH MODERN TECHNOLOGY REALLY GET A FEEL FOR WHAT THE SITE IS GOING TO BE
LIKE AT THE END OF THE DAY. >> THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JASON FAULKNER.
I'M PRESIDENT, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.
AS DOUG HAS SHOWN YOU, SEVERAL ARIELS OF THE PROJECT.
THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW THE PROJECT IS PERCEIVED FROM THE ROAD AND HOW IT FITS INTO THE OVERALL CONTEXT OF THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS OF A 1 A HEADING SOUTH.
YOU SEE THE ENTRANCE INTO THE PUBLIX AND ACE HARDWARE.
OFF TO THE RIGHT-HAND CORNER IS A SMALL PORTION OF THE BUILDING VISIBLE FROM A 1 A. THIS IS TAKEN A RIGHT-HAND TURN INTO THE TARGET PUBLIC SHOPPING PLAZA.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE DRIVE, THE TARGET BUILDING IS IN THE VERY BACK RIGHT-HAND CORNER AND OFF TO THE LEFT IS A SMALL PORTION OF OUR PROPOSED STORAGE BUILDING JUST PEEKING THROUGH THE TREES.
I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE VEGETATION WE HAVE INDICATED IN THE RENDERINGS IS ACCURATE. WE HAVE ACTUALLY RE-DIGITIZED THESE FROM SATELLITE MAPS AND THE HEIGHTS AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE TREES ARE VERY ACCURATE. THIS IMAGE IS TURNING AROUND.
IF YOU WERE LEAVING THE TARGET SHOPPING PLAZA AND HEADING OUT BACK TO A 1 A. YOU'RE DRIVING DIRECTLY EAST.
AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE TARGET.
WE ARE LOOKING DUE WEST AT THE TARGET AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED SITE IS ON YOUR LEFT. AND OUR BUILDING IS HARDLY EVEN VISIBLE. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF BUILDING THAT PEEKS THREE OVER THE TOP OF THE TREES THERE.
THIS IMAGE IS READING SOUTH AGAIN ON A 1 A.
THERE'S A 50 FOOT WIDE FRONTAGE THAT HAS EXISTING VEGETATION IN IT WHICH OBSCURES THE BUILDING. THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY THAT ENTERS INTO THE PROJECT ITSELF FOR STORAGE IN THE BUILDING.
THIS SHOT IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF A 1 A.
IF YOU WERE HEADING NORTH, THIS WOULD BE THE VIEW YOU WOULD HAVE ACROSS A1 A LOOKING AT THE STORAGE BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE THE ENTRY INTO THE TARGET JUST ON THE FAR
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RIGHT-HAND CORNER. ONCE YOU ENTER INTO THE SITE, THIS IS AN IMAGE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING.IT'S VERY CONTEXTUAL WITH SOME OF THE ELEMENTS AND THE PONTE VEDRA AREA. IT'S A TRANSITIONAL BUILDING WITH TRADITIONAL ELEMENTS. 124 LOOKS LIKE THIS THIS LOOKS LIKE AN OFFICE BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO A STORAGE BUILDING. THIS IS THE CONTEXTUAL ARCHITECTURE IN THE AREA. THE IMAGES ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE ARE THE SAWGRASS VILLAGE WHICH IS JUST FURTHER SOUTH ON A 1 A 1. IT'S THE MOST CONTEXTUAL ARCHITECTUAL FOR THE PONTE VEDRA AREA.
A LOT OF ELEMENTS ARE REPLICATED ON OUR PROPOSED STORAGE BUILDING TO HELP TIE THE TWO TOGETHER. THE IMAGES ON THE LEFT WERE OTHER RETAIL BUILDINGS, BANK BUILDINGS AND COMMERCIAL MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING IN THE TOP LEFT. THIS SLIDE ALMOST ALL THESE IMAGES HERE ARE CORPORATE OFFICE BUILDINGS.
LITERALLY WITHIN A MILE OR TWO OF THE SITE ITSELF.
AND THEN THIS SLIDE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF SOME OF THE SURROUNDING RETAIL FACILITIES ALL WITHIN A MILE OR TWO OF THE SITE AS WELL. ACTUALLY THERE'S A FEW FURTHER.
IT GIVES YOU SOME CONTEXT OF WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE IS THERE CURRENTLY. THANK YOU JASON.
>> FROM THE PONTE VEDRA ARC, WE GOT A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. THE COMMENTS FROM THE THERE WAS THIS WAS THE RIGHT USE FOR THE LOCATION.
I THINK A BIG HEAVY PART OF THAT WHICH WE WILL COME BACK TO IS THE TRAFFIC IN THE EXTREMELY LOW GENERATION THAT'S COMING FROM THIS SOCIETY WITH THIS PROJECT VERSUS SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES.
THEN THE OTHER COMMENT WE DID GET FROM THE PONTE VEDRA ARC WAS THE FRONT FACADE COULD USE ADDITIONAL TREATMENT.
I WILL SHOW YOU WHAT WE HAVE DONE.
THIS IS THE FACADE WE TOOK TO THE PVARC.
THIS IS WHAT THEY REVIEWED AND HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS.
THEY JUST WANTED IT TO BE BROUGHT DOWN A LITTLE BIT BUT BIGGER THAN THAT, THEY WANTED ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT.
WHAT THE TEAM WAS INSTRUCTED TO DO WAS MAKE REVISIONS.
JASON AND HIS TEAM AT STUDIO 9 TOOK AND CREATED THE RENDERING ON THE RIGHT TO REALLY GIVE IT THAT ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL THE ARC WAS LOOKING FOR AND TOOK THIS ON TO THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD.
THE BIG THING BETWEEN THE TWO, THE ONE ON THE LEFT 45 FEET TALL. CLEARLY THREE STORY.
THE ONE ON THE RIGHT 35 FEET TALL, WITH ADDITIONAL ALLOWANCE OF TWO FEET 10 INCHES FOR THE ELEVATOR STAFF AND THE ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT MAKING IT LOOK LIKE A TWO STORY STRUCTURE RATHER THAN THREE STORY STRUCTURE.
HERE'S A PICTURE OF THAT ADDITIONAL EMBELLISHED ARCHITECTURE. THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD BE GOING BACK TO THE ARC AFTER THIS OBVIOUSLY.
THEY HAVE TO APPROVE THE FINAL BUILDING DESIGN.
PONTE VEDRA BUILDING AND ZONING WAS A SPLIT 3-2 VOTE.
HARRY GRAHAM, LONG TIME MEMBER, LONG TIME ADVOCATE IN PONTE VEDRA SAID HEY, THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB.
WE NEED TO RESTRICT THE USES ALLOWED TO SELF STORAGE.
AND SO OFTEN TIMES, THE PUD WILL GET HERE TO THIS LEVEL AND THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT HEY, DO YOU REALLY NEED THIS USE? WHY DON'T YOU DELETE THIS USE. WHAT MR GRAHAM WAS SAYING, THESE USES, LET'S LINE THROUGH THEM. IF YOU'RE COMING HERE FOR SELF STORAGE, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO GO COME BACK.
WE RED LINED OUR PUD TEXT TO ELIMINATE EVERYTHING EXCEPT SELF STORAGE. THIS WOULD BE IN RED LINE AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE PICTURE OF THE TEXT CLEAN.
IT MAKES IT SIMPLE. IT SAYS IT'S INDOOR STORAGE OF GOODS, MATERIALS, EQUIPMENT OR PERSONAL EFFECTS IN CONNECTION WITH PERSONAL STORAGE. PROHIBITED ANYTHING ELSE NOT LISTED. IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE COMING TO YOU WITH.
LEAVING THE MEETING ALEX COLY DIRECTED THAT WE MAKE THIS CHANGE SO I WILL CONFESS TO YOU, IT IS NOT IN YOUR PACKET.
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WE DIDN'T GIVE YOU A RED FOLDER ITEM BUT ALEX DIDN'T WANT TO COME AND ASK FOR APPROVAL WITHOUT THIS BEING PART OF OUR REQUEST. SO WE WANT TO COMMIT TO THIS FOR THE OUTCOME TODAY. SO IF WE'RE APPROVED, WE WILL SUBMIT THE TEXT CLEAR IN THE RECORD.STAFF HAS THIS POWER POINT PRESENTATION AND KNOWS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THIS ELIMINATION AND KNOWS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO. LET ME ASK ALEX TO JOIN ME BRIEFLY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE SO OFTENTIMES WE COME UP HERE FOR PROJECTS WE DON'T HAVE THIS FLAVOR. ALEX, IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE
HALL MARK. COFOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF HAL MARK. 3754 COCONUT KEY.
I MOVED TO ST. AUGUSTINE. I GRADUATED FROM ST. AUGUSTINE AND GRADUATED FROM A UNIVERSITY OF NORTH FLORIDA.
I CONSIDER ST. AUGUSTINE MY HOME TOWN.
IT'S BEEN VERY GOOD TO ME. WE MOVED HERE FROM TEXAS AND AGAIN I ESSENTIALLY WAS SPENT MY ENTIRE ADULT CAREER IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS AND THE ST. JOHNS AREA AND COFOUNDED HALL MARK IN '93. WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE PROJECTS WE'RE PRIVATELY OWNED.
WE HAVE A FEW IMAGES OF OTHER PROJECTS WE HAVE DONE.
OVER THE YEARS, WE BUILT A COUPLE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS OF PROJECTS IN THE METROPOLITAN AREA.
MANY OF THEM IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
WE BUILT A 1,000TH PUBLIX AT WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.
AT STATE ROAD 16 AND FOUR MILE. WE CONSIDER OURSELVES MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY. WE DON'T OPERATE IN ANY OTHER MARKET. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US THAT ALL OF OUR PROJECTS SYMBOLIZE OUR COMMITMENT TO QUALITY AND THE COMMUNITY. YOU SEE THE CONCOURSE BUILDINGS AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHER PROJECTS.
THERE'S THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AT WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.
WE HAVE BEEN REDEVELOPING IN A BROOKLYN NEIGHBORHOOD IN DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE, YOU SEE THE FOREGROUND THERE.
THE BROOKLYN PROJECT AND THE UPPER LEFT HAND, BROOKLYN APARTMENTS, 220 RIVERSIDE WAS THE FIRST PHASE.
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL IMAGE WHAT WE HAD IN MIND AND DELIVERED ON EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED TO DO. DONATED $2 MILLION PARCEL TO CREATE A MUNICIPAL PARK AND REVITALIZED THAT BROOKLYN NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WITH THIS PROJECT HERE, I LIVE WITHIN A MILE OF THIS SITE. I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE DOES. I WOULDN'T DREAM OF DOING SOMETHING I HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO MY NEIGHBORS EVERY TIME I GO TO THE GROCERY STORE. I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S GOT THE RIGHT LOOK. I THINK IT'S THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM IMPACT ON THE SEVEN MUNICIPAL SERVICES AND I WOULD BE PROUD TO BE A NEIGHBOR TO IT IN THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE HUGH MATTHEWS UP TO HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS.
IN PARTICULAR, THESE ARE KEY TO THIS PROJECT DOESN'T HAVE FOLKS OPPOSING IN THE PONTE VEDRA AREA.
THIS IS THE REAL ISSUE IF YOU WOULD SIR.
>> THANKS DOUG. HUGH MATTHEWS.
14775 OLD ST. AUGUSTINE. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF ST.
JOHNS COUNTY FOR 24 YEARS. WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH TRAFFIC ISSUES AND CONCERNS THAT EXIST IN PONTE VEDRA.
WE ARE RIGHT ON THE COUNTY LINE SO WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. I CAN SAY THAT THIS PROJECT EMPHATICALLY ADDRESSES ALL OF THE THOSE ISSUES.
I LIVE VERY NEAR THE SELF STORAGE THAT WAS RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED ON RACE TRACK ROAD. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF RACE TRACK.
PART OF THE JUNINGTON CREEK PROJECT.
I GO TO THE BAPTIST CHURCH ON STATE ROAD 13.
I SEE SELF STORAGE TWICE A DAY. I SEE STARBUCKS PERIODICALLY THROUGHOUT THE WEEK. WE INTUITIVELY KNOW THAT IS TWO EXTREMES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SO BUT WE INTUITIVELY KNOW THAT. LET'S LOOK AT WHAT THE NUMBERS AND THE SCIENCE TELLS US. DOUG, YOU HAVE THE CLICKER.
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WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT ALL THE PROBABLE USES OR POSSIBLE USES THAT COULD GO IT ON THIS SITE. I THINK IT'S, I THINK EVERYONE WOULD AGREE THIS SITE IS A COMMERCIAL PIECE OF LAND LOCATED ON A1 A BACKING UP TO THE TARGET.WE LOOKED AT TYPICAL COMMERCIAL. YOU LOOK AT SELF STORAGE, 108,000 TOTAL STORAGE FEET. PEAK ON HOUR IN THE MORNING AT 11:00. 18 TRIPS IN THE AFTERNOON.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT A MORE TYPICAL COMMERCIAL USE WOULD BE OF A SITE WITH THIS TYPE OF LOCATION, IT WOULD BE FAST FOOD, IT WOULD BE DONUTS, COFFEE, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE WHERE INSTEAD OF 163 DAILY TRIPS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 3000, THE SITE IS TWO ACRES. 5000 DAILY TRIPS WOULD BE A MORE COMMON USE THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD BE STANDING IN FRONT OF AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE THAT.
FORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM HERE TODAY.
LET'S TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.
LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE DOUG. THIS IS MINUTES OF A MEETING THAT WAS HELD WITH DOT. THAT REALLY OUTLINES THE SITE AND TALK ABOUT THE ACCESS. WE WILL GET INTO THAT, LEAVE THAT PHOTOGRAPH IN JUST A MOMENT.
ONE OF NOTES IN THE DOT'S MINUTES WAS LOW TRIP GENERATION.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T GET TO WRITE VERY OFTEN.
IF WE GO BACK TO OUR SITE -- THE OTHER ISSUE WITH TRAFFIC IS NOT ONLY DAILY TRIPS BUT THEN ACCESS CONFIGURATION.
AND IT IF WE LOOK -- LET ME GO TO THIS SIDE OVER YOUR HEAD COMMISSIONER SMITH. IF WE LOOK AT OUR ACCESS HERE, OF COURSE THIS IS THE TARGET. THIS IS MARSHALL LANDING PARK WAY. WE'RE DUE SOUTH A FEW HUNDRED FEET. THIS DRIVEWAY IS A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT DRIVEWAY. THERE'S NO MEDIAN CUT PROPOSED.
SO THERE'S NO CONFLICT WITH THAT.
THERE'S NO LEFT TURN CONFLICT WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO COME OUT.
IT'S RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT. THE OTHER SUBSTANTIAL THING I WOULD NOTE ABOUT THIS PLAN IS THE DISTANCE IN FROM THE EDGE OF A1 A INTO THE SITE. BECAUSE WE DON'T CONTROL THIS PIECE OF REAL ESTATE RIGHT HERE, WE'RE SETBACK APPROXIMATELY, 120 FEET TO THE FACE OF THE BUILDING AND TO THIS DRIVEWAY IS ABOUT 100 FEET. WHEN YOU COME IN OFF A 1 A, YOU DRIVE IN A PARKING LOT AND THINGS ARE TIGHT AND CONGESTED.
YOU PAUSE AND HAVE TO STOP, THINK, LOOK.
WHICH WAY DO I GO? BECAUSE THIS IS SETBACK, IT GIVES YOU ENOUGH SPACE TO GET IN OFF OF A 1 A, GET IN HERE BEFORE YOU REALLY GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO STOP AND MAKE A DECISION OR SOMEONE IS IN YOUR WAY THEY ARE FURTHER BACK.
THE ACCESS IS CONTROLLED. THE TRIP GENERATION IS THE LOWEST POSSIBLE COMMERCIAL USE, THE ACCESS WORKS WELL AND WE WILL NOT CAUSE QUEUEING OUT ON TO THE HIGHWAY.
THE BOTTOM LINE LOOKING AT THIS PLAN, EXCUSE ME, CONSIDERING THE TRAFFIC, DURING THE LOW TRIP GENERATION, THE ACCESS CONTROL, CONSIDERING THE 20 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE NORTH EDGE WHICH IS THE SIDE YOU REALLY SEE COMING INTO PONTE VEDRA.
YOUR SOUTHBOUND AND LOOK ACROSS, CONSIDERING THE 100 FOOT SETBACK HERE. WHEN TARGET WENT IN MARSHALL LANDING PARK WAY WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT.
THEY PLANTED QUITE A FEW NICE OAK TREES ALONG THIS PROPERTY LINE. THEY ARE PROBABLY ONLY TWO FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE PRESERVED THIS GREEN SPACE HERE, AND BECAUSE WE HAVE PULLED THIS BUILDING 20 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE THERE AND THERE'S NO OTHER CONSTRUCTION PROPOSED ALONG THE NORTH SIDE, THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY OR ANYTHING PROPOSED ON THE NORTH SIDE, WE'RE ABLE TO SAVE THE CANOPY OF THE TREES, NOT HAVE TO TRIM THEM BACK TO GET THE BUILDING IN.
THEY ARE PLANTED ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE'RE ABLE TO PRESERVE THAT AND PROTECT THE VIEW OF WHEN YOU ENTER PONTE VEDRA AND SEE THIS, VERY PLEASING ARCHITECTURAL BUILDING BUT WITH ALL THE LANDSCAPE IN FRONT, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE MUCH VIEW OF THE PROJECT AT ALL.
AND SO CONSIDERING THOSE ATTRIBUTES THE PROJECT AND THE
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LOW VOLUME OF IMPACTS ON THE PROJECT, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>> I GUESS WE CAN COME BACK UP AND REBUTTAL IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME OR WANT TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> LET'S SEE. DOES THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE WILL GO AND OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL NOW HAVE PUBLIC
>> BETH BREEDING, SILVER FIELD DEVELOPMENT.
I WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT.
WE HAVE DEALT WITH NEA HALLMARK DOING THE PUBLIX.
THEY WERE VERY EASY TO WORK WITH.
JUST A DELIGHT TO WORK FOR. WE OWN A SELF STORAGE AT PONTE VEDRA AND WE'RE AT 99% OCCUPANCY.
THERE'S MOST DEFINITELY A NEED IN THE AREA FOR THIS.
PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CLOSED. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.
COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
IS THE VERBAL COMMITMENT TO THE ALLOWABLE USES LEGALLY BINDING?
>> YES, I WOULD SUGGEST IF THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE, THAT MOTION INCLUDE THE AMENDMENT TO THE APPLICATION AS
STATED ON THE FLOOR. >> YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE MR. CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENT FROM THE
BOARD? >> THIS IS DISTRICT 4 SO I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. I APPRECIATE THAT.
I WILL TAKE YOU UP ON THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION JUST IN REGARD TO THE BUILDING ITSELF. THE 35 FEET TALL.
MR. BURNETT, WHAT IS THE TARGET AND WHAT ARE THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS? HOW TALL ARE THEY?
>> THE TARGET IS IN DUVAL COUNTY.
I KNOW IT'S SOMEWHERE, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE PRECISE MEASUREMENT, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 35 FEET IS THE TYPICAL HEIGHT OF A TARGET BUILDING OF THAT NATURE.
THE MULTIFAMILY IS SO FAR AWAY, I'M NOT SURE.
ONE WE DIDN'T MEASURE IT. THE ISSUE DIDN'T COME UP AS FAR AS THAT PRIOR TO THIS. NEITHER AT ARC DID THAT COME UP TO QUESTION THE COMPARABLE HEIGHT.
I THINK THE ONE THING THAT WE MADE THE POINT OF IN THE HEIGHT IS THAT IT'S SETBACK SO MUCH FURTHER THAN THE TYPICAL SETBACK, YOU'RE LINE OF SIGHT, IF IT WAS A SHORTER BUILDING CLOSER UP, YOUR LINE OF SIGHT IS HIGHER WITH THE TALLER BUILDING SETBACK SO MUCH FURTHER THAN THE TYPICAL SETBACK WOULD BE.
OBVIOUSLY THE DISTANCE FROM THE ROAD FROM PONTE VEDRA OVER 120 FEET TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, MAYBE 144 FEET.
142 FEET TO THE PAVED SURFACE IS A LONG WAYS BACK.
>> THANK YOU. AND SO WE'RE CLEAR ON THE HEIGHT, I DON'T WANT TO WIND UP IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU AND I ARE TALKING AT A LATER DATE AND SAY I THOUGHT IT WAS 35.
IT'S 35 PLUS TWO FEET 10 INCHES. MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021, 40, ONE ACRE OF LAND FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL R 1 C, NINE FINDINGS OF FACT LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
I THINK IT'S GOT TO INCLUDE THE CHANGES.
>> YES. COMMISSIONER, DO YOU INCLUDE THE CHANGE THAT THE APPLICANT MADE ON THE FLOOR LIMITING THE ALLOWABLE USES TO SELF ONLY?
>> I SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY DEAN AND
[6. PFS AGREE 2021-03 Stokes Landing Townhomes Proportionate Fair Share Agreement.]
SECOND BY WALDRON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?THAT PASSES 5-0. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. STOKES LANDING TOWNHOUSE.
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SILVER FIELD DEVELOPMENT. JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.
WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PAY OUR FAIR SHARE FOR THE TRAFFIC DEFICITS AND ASKING FOR THE IMPACT FEE CREDITS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.
I JUST WANTED A CLARIFICATION FROM THE REZONING.
I HAD MENTIONED IN GIVING THE 35 FOOT BUFFER FOR TH GENTLEMEN TO THE EAST OF US THAT WE HAD GONE DOWN TO 286 UNITS.
WE CONTINUED TO WORK THAT SITE PLAN AND ARE NOT EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM OF 320. WE'RE ABOUT 312.
WE DID BRING FROM THE PLANS, SHOWING EXACTLY WHAT WE HAD PROMISED WHICH WAS THE 35 FOOT COMPLETELY UNDISTURBED AND THE 150 FEET OF FENCE. THAT IS ON THE PLANS AS PROMISED. IT WILL BE SUBMITTED THIS WEEK.
WE DID STICK WITH WHAT WE PROMISED.
I WANTED TO SAY, I ECHO ELLEN AVERY'S COMMENTS TO ALLOW DEVELOPERS TO VOTE FOR SCHOOL CONCURRENCY, THE PUBLIC IS UPSET WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE ANSWERS. YOU'RE UPSET AND WE'RE UPSET AND WE DON'T KNOW AND WE CAN GO THROUGH A PROCESS AND FIND OUT WE OWE $20 MILLION AND IT'S, IT DOESN'T DO US GOOD TO BE APPROVED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK.
IF WE COULD CHANGE THE PROCESS IT WOULD BE GOOD.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 6. YES.
MY NAME IS LEROY KEN LAW, 151 STOKES LANDING ROAD.
I ALSO OWN 161 STOKES LANDING ROAD.
I AM THE ONLY RESIDENT THAT IS DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS BUILDING. THERE IS OTHER LANDOWNERS THAT IS ADJACENT TO IT. TO THE PROJECT.
BUT THEY HAVE A MUCH LARGER BUFFER THAN WHAT I HAVE.
MY BUFFER IS 35 FOOT AS MS. BREEDING JUST ANNOUNCED.
THE LAST MEETING THAT WE WERE AT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE QUALITY OF MY LIFE AND THE WAY THE DEVELOPMENT WAS BEING DONE.
WE ALSO TALKED AT MY HOME WHICH I LEARNED MY LESSON OFF THE RECORD THE PROPOSAL WAS TO OMIT THE UNITS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF MY HOME. THAT PROPOSAL WAS BROUGHT BACK BEFORE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND WAS NOTHING LIKE WE HAD DISCUSSED AT THE HOUSE. AND I WON'T BRING UP ANY NAMES BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO CALL ANYBODY OUT.
BUT IF THAT IS NOT TRUE, AS TO REMOVING THE UNITS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, WHY ARE THEY COMING BACK TO ADD THE OMITTED UNITS BACK TO THE PLAN TO GET EXACTLY WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR IN THE BEGINNING? MY QUALITY OF LIFE IS NOT BEING PROTECTED. I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS EVER PROTECTED. .
I FEEL LIKE I WAS MANIPULATED BY THE DEVELOPER.
WE ARE GOING BACK TO 311 UNITS. I REALLY AM A LITTLE UPSET I'M BACK HERE TODAY AND TO BE HONEST, QUITE FRANKLY, I WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THE MEETING TODAY IF IT WASN'T FOR A FRIEND GIVING ME A CALL TO LET ME KNOW THIS MEETING WAS EVEN GOING TO TAKE PLACE. I WAS LEFT OUT.
THAT'S NOT FAIR TO ME WITH ME BEING A DIRECT HOMEOWNER TO THE PROPERTY. I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT WAS A GOOD MOVE ON THEIR PART. THE ONLY THING I CAN REALLY SAY AT THIS TIME AS YOU KNOW, IT LOKS LIKE TO ME, THAT MY QUALITY OF LIFE WAS NOT HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND I ASK AT THIS TIME THAT THE PROPOSAL AND THE PROJECT BE PUT ON HOLD UNTIL YOU THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT LEAST LOOK AT IT, MAYBE COME VISIT IT. AND SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN STOP THESE GIANTS OF BUILDING WHEREVER THEY WANT.
TO HAVE LARGE ATTORNEYS TO STOP IS THE COMMISSIONER'S
PERFORMING. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.
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>> I AM STILL BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE TRAFFIC PROBLEM CREATED AT AN ALREADY-DANGEROUS INTERSECTION OF U.S. 1 AND STOKES. DRIVERS WANTING TO TRAVEL SOUTH MOVE TO THE LEFT LANE, TURNING AND MAKE A UTURN TRAVEL TO GO SOUTHBOUND ON TO U.S. ONE ACROSS THE TURNING LANE.
THOSE DRIVERS WANTING TO TRAVEL SOUTH ON U.S. 1 THAT ARE COMING FROM SOUTH, ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE VEERING OUT OF THE WAY.
ALL THIS IS HAPPENING WHILE DRIVERS ALREADY TRAVELLING ON THE SOUTH WILL SWERVE TO VEER TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE ON COMING TRAFFIC. SINCE THE LAST MEETING, I HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY CITIZENS THAT LIVE ON WHITE CASTLE, USE STOKES ROAD TO ENTER AND EXIT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN TURNING DUE TO THE ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED CAUSED BY THE DANGERS THEY ENCOUNTER AS THEY SLOW TO MAKE THE RIGHT-HAND TURN AS TRUCKS AND CARS TRAVEL AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED OVER 60 MILES AN HOUR TRAVELLING ON U.S. 1. ADDING THE 300 MORE CARS AND TRUCKS COMING FROM THE PROPOSED STOKES LANDING TOWN HOMES THAT WILL MAKE U-TURNS TO TRAVEL SOUTH ON U.S. 1, YOU CAN SEE HOW A PROBLEM COULD OCCUR. I THINK A GOOD STUDY NEEDS TO BE DONE ON IT AND A TRAFFIC LIGHT WOULD LESSON THE POSSIBILITY OF ACCIDENTS ON THIS ALREADY-DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
THE LIGHT WOULD ENSURE AN ORDERLY FLOW TO MINIMIZE THE DANGERS FOR VEHICLES ENTERING FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP FROM THE COUNTY, THERE'S WHERE THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE. THERE'S STOKES LANDING ROAD THAT PEOPLE USE. ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THERE USE THAT STOKES LANDING ROAD TO COME IN AND OUT OF TO U.S. ONE. EVEN THE ONES ON U.S. ONE.
IT'S ALREADY WELL TRAVELLED AND THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL FATALITIES.
I HAVE BROUGHT IT TO YOU BEFORE. GOT THE INFORMATION FROM THE ST.
JOHNS COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT. JUST BEFORE THIS GOES ON, A GOOD TRAFFIC STUDY NEEDS TO BE DONE. I DON'T KNOW WHO DOES IT OR WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN TO KEEP OUR WORK FORCE PEOPLE SAFE.
THERE ARE POLICEMAN OR FIREMEN TEACHERS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?
ONE MOMENT PLEASE. >> B.J. KLATY, CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE. THE ROAD IMPACTS WILL NOT HELP THE ROAD IMPACT TO STOKES LANDING ROAD WHERE THIS ALLEGED WORK FORCE HOUSING WILL BE CONSTRUCTED.
SINCE MAY 2021, THIS DEVELOPER HAS NOT COMPLETED DUE DILIGENCE WITH F DOT FOR THE EFFECT ON U.S. ONE WHERE 640 VEHICLES WILL ENTER AND EXIT. PUSHING THIS ITEM FORWARD FOR FINANCIAL REASONS TO THE DEVELOPER IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF TAXPAYERS. USING THE 10120 IMPACT FEE SCHEDULE DOES NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE COST OF ROADS EVEN THOUGH THIS BOARD CONTINUES TO BRING UP THE COST OF LUMBER.
EVERYTHING IS GOING UP. 12 D, ALLOWING THE USE OF IMPACT FEES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT BENEFIT COUNTY TAXPAYERS ON THE IMPACT ON U.S. 1. THIS AGREEMENT IS NOT IN THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST AND IMPROVING THE TRANSPORTATION ON STOKES ROAD. THIS BENEFITS KNOCKA TEE ELIMINATED AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN 2016.
THIS DOES NOT CREATE A WORLD CLASS LIVING ENVIRONMENT.
THE WORK FORCE ORDINANCE DISCRIMINATES AND IS NOT INCLUSIVE. I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY THAT.
THIS SHOULD STATE 130, WORK FORCE TWO STORY TOWNHOUSES WILL BE BUILT BEFORE THE REMAINING 190 TOWNHOUSES.
$9.7 MILLION OF THE $10 MILLION BE PAID BY THE TAXPAYER ON THE ROAD. AS STATED IN 2016, THIS AGREEMENTS BENEFITS THE BOTTOM LINE OF A FOR PROFIT DEVELOPERS AND PUSHING COST SAYS ON TAXPAYERS AS WELL AS PRETENDING TO CARE ABOUT THE WORKING POOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY EMPLOYEES, THIS
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AGREEMENT SHOULD BE TABLED AND CORRECTED TODAY.>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, THAT COMPLETES COMMENT.
PUBLIC COMMENT COMPLETED. BEFORE YOU.
LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH FIRST.
>> OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD.
>> SINCE MY NAME IS WAS BESMERCHED.
IT WAS BOB PORTER AND MYSELF. ALONG WITH MR. KINSLAW AND THE NICE LADY BEFORE THEM. I'M SORRY THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING. IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE CAME FOR THE FINAL HEARING HERE, WE BROKE INTO DIFFERENT TIMES AND WENT OUTSIDE AND TALKED BECAUSE I SHOWED WHERE THE BUILDINGS WERE.
IT WAS KNOWN AT THIS TIME THAT WE DID HAVE BUILDINGS THERE AND WHAT WE AGREED TO AND THAT'S THOSE WERE THE CONDITIONS THAT I BROUGHT HERE TODAY TO SHOW WE MET WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.
WAS 35 FEET AND WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE COULD NOT DO ANY CLEARING IN THERE BECAUSE IT HAS SUCH BEAUTIFUL OLD FLORIDA GROWTH. I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS I'M HAPPY TO SHOW. YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH IT.
WE HAVE A TREE SURVEY. THERE'S NOSE VISIBILITY AND WE ADDED 150 FEET OF A VERY TALL FENCE, AS TALL AS CODE WILL ALLOW US TO DO IN ORDER TO HELP MITIGATE FOR THE IMPACTS.
I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE HIM HERE TODAY.
I THOUGHT WE WERE GOOD AFTER THE LAST HEARING.
AGAIN I HAVE THE ENGINEERING PLANS.
WE HAVE COMPLIED 100% WITH WHAT WE AGREED TO AT THE REZONING HEARING. WE'RE JUST HERE TODAY FOR THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE TO MAKE SURE WE PAY OUR FAIR SHARE TO
COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I INITIALLY READ THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AND WENT THROUGH THE COVER SHEET, I THOUGHT MAN I THOUGHT WE AGREED ON THE FLOOR TO 286 UNITS. I WROTE THAT IN MY NOTES.
THE ADJOINING EASTERN LANDOWNERS CONCERNS.
IT WAS ADDRESSING THAT. IT WOULD GO TO 286.
I DON'T KNOW AND I DIDN'T GO BACK AND REVIEW THE MEETING, BUT I VOTED BASED UPON THAT PREMISE OF THE 286, I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL THAT HAS DERIVED. BUT I ALSO AGREED TO WHAT WE
VOTED ON AND THAT WAS 286. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.
>> I AM JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WE'RE GOING THROUGH AN AGREEMENT TO TO SUPERCEDE WHAT WE DID ON THE FOURTH.
>> THE PERFORMANCE, THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHEET AT 320 UNITS RAISED A FLAG, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE APPLICANT IS THAT CHANGING THE PROP SHARE AGREEMENT TO MATCH THE UNITS THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO FIT ON THE PROPERTY PURSUANT TO THE ZONING APPROVAL WOULD BUILD ADDITIONAL TIME AND MONI INTO THE PROCESS.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY IN DELAYING THE APPROVAL PROCESS. IT FELT THAT THE, THEY WERE COMFORTABLE MITIGATING FOR 320 UNITS FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE
COME ON UP. >> WE HAD PREVIOUSLY HAD ABOUT 320 UNITS INITIALLY AND THAT'S WHY I HATE TO DO A DETAILED SITE PLAN BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE SO MUCH.
SO, AFTER WE MET WITH MR. KINSLAW AND PUT THE 35 FEET IN, APPROXIMATE DIDN'T DOWN TO 286. THOSE NUMBERS DID NOT TO STAY AFFORDABLE. TO DO THE WORK FOR FEMA THE AND COUNTY STORMWATER MODELLING. LUCKILY THE FLOOD PLAIN LINE.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE UNITS. IF WE CANNOT DO THIS NUMBER OF UNITS. AFTER RUNNING THE NUMBERS, IT WAS GOING TO BE $55,000 AT COST JUST FOR THE LOT FOR A TOWN LOT.
YOU CANNOT MAKE AFFORDABLE WORK NOT EVEN AT 240 AT THAT KIND OF NUMBER. SO WE KEPT WORKING WITH THE SITE PLAN UNTIL WE GOT IT UP TO THE CURRENT NUMBERS 312 AND AS I SAID, THIS SITE PLAN WE HAVE THE ENGINEERING WORK DONE AND COMING INTO THE COUNTY. WE HAVE 30 FEET ON THE FRONT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE VEGETATIVE BURM TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO
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VISI VISIBILITY.THERE'S NO IMPACT TO NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THERE'S ZERO DEVELOPMENT. THE ONLY NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH IS DOLLAR GENERAL. THEY ARE ALREADY EXISTING.
WE DID HAVE IT UNDERWENT CONTRACT IN ORDER TO DO AN ACCESS POINT. ADDITIONALLY, IN A STRAIGHT ZONING, 286 UNITS. STRAIGHT ZONING AND IT'S NOT LIKE A PUD WHERE YOU DO A SET OF MAXIMUM NUMBERS.
SO JUST PUT THAT OUT FOR LEGALITY PURPOSES:
>> I DO UNDERSTAND THERE'S LEGAL DIFFERENCE.
MY CONCERN IS, DO WE DISCUSS ANY DIFFERENT THAT YOU DISCUSS WITH THE HOMEOWNER WE'RE BEING PRESENTED TODAY? I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND.
THE UNDERSTANDING OF TOWN HOMES GOING IN THERE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> IT DOES.
YOU KNOW, I NEED THIS DEAL TO MOVE FORWARD AND I NEED THIS NUMBER OF UNITS. IF I NEED TO GET BACK ON THE BCC AGENDA TO COME BACK FOR REZONING, I HAVE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF MONEY. WE'RE GETTING READY TO SUBMIT TO THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT. IF IT'S 286 UNITS, THIS IS DEAD AND I HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A PUD THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY COMPONENT OF WORK FORCE HOUSING. UNFORTUNATELY, THE COST OF MATERIALS MAKES THIS NOT POSSIBLE.
>> CAN WE GET LEGAL'S OPINION? YEAH, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN APPLICANTS CHANGE ON THE FLOOR WHAT THEY ARE PRESENTING TO YOU.
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS.
I LOOK AT THAT TIME AS THE REPRESENTATIONS MADE ON THE FLOOR ARE AN AMENDMENT TO THE APPLICATION AND MS. BREEDING
DOES NOT -- >> TO BE CLEAR, I DIDN'T GUARANTEE OR SAY IT WOULD BE ABOVE 286.
I SAID THIS IS WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE.
THIS IS COMMITTING -- WHATEVER ROOT THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO GO. MR. WHITEHURST.
>> FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH AND IT MAY BE WORTH NOTHING.
I THINK WE HAVE RUN INTO THIS BEFORE WHERE WE DO NOT WANT TO SEND MIXED MESSAGES TO THE PUBLIC.
WE WANT TO PASS POLICY UP HERE THAT'S CLEAR WHEN WE PASS THIS SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS MISCOMMUNICATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MECHANISM FOR THAT IS NOW.
IF IT TAKES GOING BACK AND DRAWING IT UP AGAIN AND COMING BACK SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, I THINK MEASURING TWICE CUTTING ONCE WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO IF ONLY SO THAT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE. SO WITH WE'RE SENDING A CLEAR MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC AND THOSE WHO WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT AT WHAT WE'RE APPROVING. THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS
>> FOREST, THE CONVERSATION HERE IS A STRAIGHT ZONING VERSUS A PUD. NOW SEE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD THAT'S NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT COULD BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY?
>> I BELIEVE -- >> RESIDENTS FOR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING. >> I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL DENSITY WAS THE MAXIMUM THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED.
>> UNDER AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> YES, SIR.
>> SO IF IT WASN'T AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY WOULD LOSE UNITS.
>> YEAH, BECAUSE OF THE INCENTIVE.
WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. SO NORMALLY AS A CHAIR, I DO NOMINATE MOTIONS. WE CAN MOVE THIS MATTER FORWARD, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AND SEE IF WE GET A SECOND.
SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND, IF THIS IS NOT PASSED YOU'RE GOING TO BE
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BACK IN THAT SITUATION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND EXECUTE THE STOKES LANDING PROPORTION FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT FINDING IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.IS THERE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND THAT, JUST FYI,
[4. Bayview Healthcare Request - Assignment and Assumption of Lease and Modification Agreement. (Part 2 of 2)]
IT WAS 2021. I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. THAT FAILS 3-2.
ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S GO BACK AND LOOK AT AGENDA ITEM 4. ARE WE READY TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER AND BRING THIS BACK UP? LET ME HAVE THE PARTIES COME
FORWARD. >> LET ME HAVE YOU GET WITH FOREST AND GET WITH THEM SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN. GOOD AFTERNOON, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION EARLIER. YOU HAVE ON YOUR DAIS A PROPOSED MOTION TO ONLY DEAL WITH ONE DOCUMENT, ONE ASSIGNMENT AND ASSUMPTION OF LEASE. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROPOSED MOTION OR ANYTHING ELSE, PLEASE WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. I THINK WE'RE JUST SEEING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME. GIVE US A MOMENT.
WE TRIED TO KEEP IT SIMPLE. OKAY.
SO WE WILL GO TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
CAN YOU SUMMARIZE THIS FOR US. >> SURE, WE HEARD THE QUESTIONS YOU RAISED. WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WITH THE MOTION IS TO ALLOW THE CLOSING TO TAKE PLACE WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BEING AUTHORIZED TO SIGN AT CLOSING AS WELL.
HOWEVER, WE BUILT IN A FEW SAFETY MEASURES REGARDING YOUR CONCERNS. ONE, IF ANYTHING IN THE DEAL MATERIALLY CHANGES IT HAS TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD.
IF THERE'S ANOTHER PURCHASER OTHER THAN ORCHID, WHICH HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US AS THE INTEND PURCHASER THAT ALSO HAS TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD. AS WELL AS THEY CANNOT MOVE FORWARD UNTIL THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE ASKED BASICALLY, THE QUESTIONS YOU PROVIDED TO US HAVE ALL BEEN ANSWERED AND WE PROVIDED THOSE IN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW, CONSULT WITH YOU AND YOUR QUESTIONS ARE SATISFACTORY ANSWERED BEFORE THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD.
>> OKAY. SO LET ME ASK MR. CONRAD, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS? DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS?
>> MR. CHAIR, IT ALSO REQUIRES FULL REDEMPTION SO WE DON'T END UP IN ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE IT HAS TO BE SATISFIED AT CLOSING.
THAT'S BUTTONED UP AS WELL. AND REGARDING THE TAXES AND STATUS OF THE DEBT SERVICE. OKAY.
SO WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY QUESTIONS?
MR. DEAN? >> THERE AREN'T QUESTIONS.
I'M PREPARED TO MAKE THIS MOTION AND FOR ME JUST TO BE ON THE RECORD, I THINK THIS ADDRESSES MY CONCERN THAT I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER SMITH RAISED FOR THE FIRST TIME.
THIS TAKES AWAY THE AMBIGUITY AND LIMITS TO ORCHID COVE AND ADDRESSES THE ISSUES AND YOU I RAISED.
I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. MOVE TO APPROVE THE ATTACHED ASSIGNMENT AND ASSUMPTION OF LEASE AND MODIFICATION AGREEMENT WITH ORCHID COVE HEALTH GROUP LLC SUBJECT TO ONE, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND ATTORNEY OBTAINING ADEQUATE INFORMATION REGARDING ANY LIABILITY TO ST. JOHNS REGARDING THE REDEMPTION OF THE BONDS FOR THE BAY VIEW PROJECT.
TWO, RETENTION BY ORCHID COVE HEALTH GROOVE OF AT LEAST 90% OF THE 165 EMPLOYEES AND FULL REDEMPTION OF THE OUTSTANDING BONDS OF THE BAY VIEW PROJECT AND CONTINUED USE AS A FACILITY
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OF A PROVIDER HEALTHCARE SERVICES AND FIVE, ALL OTHER TERMS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THE JULY 20, 2021, MEETING. JAI WILL SECOND THAT.[7. Public Hearing * VACROA 2021-01 - Public Hearing to vacate a portion of an unopened/unimproved alley within the College Park Manor Subdivision.]
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BETWEEN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.THAT PASSES 5-0. NEXT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN. GOOD AFTERNOON, SCOTT THOMAS WITH THE BERMAN LAW FIRM. WE HAVE FOR YOU A BRIEF PRESENTATION RELATING TO AN APPLICATION TO VACATE THE REMAINING 10 FEET OF AN ALLEY IN THE COLLEGE PARK SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS AN EPILOGUE TO WHAT YOU TOOK UP LAST MONTH.
WE PRESENTED TO YOU, AN ISSUE WHERE ERRONEOUS SURVEY CAUSED IMPROVEMENTS TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAT.
YOU GUYS APPROVED COLLEGE PARK REPLAT TO ADJUST THE BOUNDARY LINES AND ALMOST CREATE AN AS CONSTRUCTED PLAT.
THIS IS A COMPLIMENT AND ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE DONE AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THAT. THIS IS SOUTH OF TOWN BETWEEN COUNTY ROAD 214 AND SOUTH LEXINGTON STREET.
THIS SHOWS AGAIN AS THE STAFF INDICATES FOR YOU.
UNIMPROVED AREA. NO EFFECT ON TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
I THINK THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE BACK BEFORE YOU ON THIS IS TO JUST GIVE YOU A COMPARISON OF, I KNOW IT'S SMALL, IT'S AN OLD PLAT. THAT'S THE ORIGINAL PLAT.
WE'RE DEAL WITH THE BOTTOM SOUTHEAST CORNER.
WHAT IS HIGHLIGHTED, AS ORIGINALLY PLATTED, THERE WAS A 20 FOOT ALLEY ON THE EAST WEST BOUNDARIES OF THE PLATTED LOTS.
WHEN THE COUNTY APPROVED THE COLLEGE PARK REPLAT, THAT 20 FOOT ALLEY WAY WAS REMOVED. THE IDEA WAS TO MAKE IT CLEANER MORE EFFICIENT OUT THERE. WE RAN INTO A PROBLEM.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE GENERAL RULE IS, THE LAW REQUIRE THAT IS WHEN YOU REPLAT, WHEN YOU VACATE AN ALLEY OR ROADWAY, THE ABUTTING LANDOWNERS ACQUIRE TITLE TO THE MIDPOINT.
RIGHT ABOVE THE HIGHLIGHTED MARK ON THE MAP OF THE REPLAT, IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. THE ALLEY WAY IS GONE
>> THE BOUNDARIES OF THOSE ADJACENT LOTS WERE EXTENDED.
THE AREA WE NOW HAVE FOR VACATION ISN'T WHOLLY CONTAINED WITHIN THE LAND. THAT'S OWNED BY STEVEN AND LINDA YATCHAT. WE COULDN'T BRING THIS IN ORDER TO GIVE THEM THEIR 10 FEET OF THE 20 FOOT ALLEY.
THE WAY WAS A TWO STEP PROCESS. IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITH ONCE. HAVE BEEN TAKEN THE EASTERLY WAY OF THE 10 FOOT AND GIVEN TO THE LOTS THAT REMAIN WITHIN THE COLLEGE PLOT, THIS IS TO VACATE THE WESTERLY AREA AND THAT WOULD BUDGET THE OWNERSHIP TO THE YATCHAKS.
THAT ALLEY WILL BE GONE AND PROPERLY ALLOCATED BETWEEN THE ABUTTING LANDOWNERS EACH GETTING 10 FEET.
THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S IT. I FEEL KIND OF ANTICLIMATIC.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE HERE. I DON'T ACTUALLY REPRESENT THEM AS BEFORE I REPRESENT FIDELITY NATIONAL TITLE INSURANCE COMPANY WHICH RECEIVED AUTHORITY TO EFFECT THE REPLAT.
YOU WILL SEE, WE DISCUSSED IT WITH THEM.
THEY CONSENT AND JOINED WITH IT AND SO, THAT'S THAT.
I WISH I HAVE SOMETHING MORE EXCITING FOR YOU BUT I DON'T.
>> WE APPRECIATE THAT. LET'S OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> I WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7.
VACATION OF THE PORTION OF THE ALLEY WAY.
>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7. SEEING NONE, THAT CONCLUDES
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PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.MR. CHAIRMAN. I WILL MOVE THIS.
MOTION TO ADOPT 2021-309. APPROVING VACATION ROA OF
[8. Public Hearing * REZ 2021-10 Pure Powersports.]
2021-COLLEGE PARK ALLEY WAY VACATION.TO VACATE THE UNOPENED ALLEY OF THE COLLEGE PARK
>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY SMITH.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE.
THAT PASSES 5-0. >> THANK YOU.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM 8.
THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL. LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH. I HAVE NOTHING TO
>> NONE. JUST RODE BY THE LOCATION.
COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> NONE MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> I HAVE NO ONE AS WELL. GOOD AFTERNOON.
>> KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SERA GASSA STREET.
WITH ME IS MANNY MANOSVACAS. THIS IS REQUEST FOR REZONING AND THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE YOU HAVE SEEN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK. IT'S 6.04 ACRES.
IT'S IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE COMMERCIAL DRIVE, WHICH COMES OFF AG CENTER DRIVE. IT HAS ACCESS OBVIOUSLY TO 208 TO 16, TO 95, SO IT'S A GREAT COMMERCIAL LOCATION.
IT IS, IT'S BEEN CLEARED IN THE PAST.
THERE ARE SOME TREES ON IT. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE RETENTION POND. IT WAS DONE FOR THE ROADWAY.
THERE ARE LIGHT AND INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE SOUTH AND WEST.
INCLUDING A BOAT STORAGE AREA AND A BUILDING CONTRACTOR.
TO THE NORTH, THERE'S ACTUALLY THE SALES FOR LOG CABIN HOMES.
THERE'S A GREAT CRACKER BARREL. I WAS GOING TO SAY CRATE AND BARREL TO THE NORTH PART. IT'S VACANT ACROSS THE WAY.
ACROSS 95. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER DEVELOPMENT OVER ON THAT SIDE.
FUTURE LAND USES AND MIXED USES. THIS IS CENTRAL TO THE MIXED USE DISTRICT AND THE PERIPHERAL USES DO INCLUDE SOME RESIDENTIAL B THAT IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS DONE QUITE A LONG TIME AGO AND ACTUALLY THAT'S ALL PART OF THAT WHICH WAS ALL MITIGATION PROPERTY. WE HAVE THE MOSQUITO CONTROL TO THE SOUTH AS WELL. FROM THE AG CENTER.
ZONING IS KIND OF A MIXED AREA BUT YOU CAN SEE THE STRIPED AREA WHICH IS THE I W WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT CHARLIE ACENA DID MANY MOONS AGO.
EVERYTHING WAS ZONED I W FOR THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND IT WAS CONDITIONED AND I DO HAVE, I WILL GET TO THAT WITH THE CONDITIONS. IT WAS THINGS FOR BUFFERS AND SETBACKS AND OTHER HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS AND IT WAS REALLY BASED ON THE CODE. QUITE SOME TIME AGO IN THE 80S.
SO THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER CW ZONINGS IN THE PARK AND OTHER ZONINGS TOO. OTHER ITEMS. BUT PART OF THE PARK ALSO IS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AREA THAT WE KNOW OF AND COMMERCIAL GENERAL.
AS WELL AS AGAIN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT. YOU CAN SEE THE TREES BETTER.
YOU CAN SEE THE, YOU HAVE LIMITED ACCESS TO THIS.
BUT THEY HAVE ALMOST UNLIMITED ACCESS FOR VISUAL FROM I-95 WHICH AGAIN IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR COMMERCIAL USE VERSUS AN INDUSTRIAL USE. AND THEY CANNOT USE THEIR STORMWATER RETENTION THAT'S HERE.
THEY HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN.
WE DO HAVE A SITE PLAN. THIS WAS BASIC.
IT'S KIND OF COMING TO FRUITION AS WE LOOK AT IT.
BUT IT'S BASICALLY FOR THE 52,000 SQUARE FEET AND SHOWS YOU KIND OF OR 51,000 SQUARE FEET WHERE THEY ARE PLANNING WAREHOUSE AND DISPLAY AND THEY HAVE TRAINING AREA.
THEY DO HAVE THEIR ON-SITE STORMWATER RETENTION.
THAT WOULD BE UP ALONG THE INTERSTATE.
AND DRAINAGE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HOOK INTO THE OVERALL SYSTEM AROUND THE EDGE. THESE ARE JUST PICTURES JUST SO
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YOU GET A LOOK IF I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GET OUT THERE.THAT'S A VIEW FROM THE NORTH LOOKING SOUTH ON TO THE PROPERTY. THAT'S THAT EXISTING RETENTION POND THAT IS THE INDUSTRIAL CENTER.
THAT IS THE ROAD LEADING INTO IT AND THE CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END.
THE PROPERTY WOULD BE RIGHT OFF HERE.
ACROSS THE STREET, AGAIN THE SIGN FOR THE LOG CABIN.
YOU CAN SEE CRACKER BARREL AND THE LOG CABIN SALES A LITTLE BETTER AS YOU GO DOWN. DOWN THE STREET A LITTLE BIT.
SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL EXCUSE ME, ALONG COMMERCIAL DRIVE. THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE WEST. THIS IS THE WHERE COMMERCIAL DRIVE COMES IN WITH AG CENTER DRIVE AND THESE ARE JUST I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM. THEY'RE IN YOUR PACKAGE.
IF WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THEM. THESE WOULD REMOVE THESE CONDITIONS ONCE YOU REZONED. BASICALLY THINGS HAVE BEEN REPLACED A LOT BY NEWER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FROM WHAT WE HAD IN THE 80S. SO, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE MOST OF THEM ARE TAKEN CARE OF. ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS THAT WAS ALWAYS ON THIS WAS A SITE PLAN REVIEW WHICH I PUT THERE. WE HAVE BEEN COMING TO PLANNING AND ZONING FOR YEARS TO GET SITE PLAN REVIEWS FOR NOT A PUD WHATEVER. BUT THAT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING WHATEVER. SO, THIS IS AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE, THE CW IS A HYBRID ZONING.
IT ALLOWS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AS WELL AS THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL THAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED ON IT. AND REALLY THAT'S THE VARIETY OF USES FOR THIS RATHER THAN CHANGING IT ONLY TO COMMERCIAL.
THAT LEAVES THE OPTION FOR THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THESE WOULD BE LARGE BIG BUILDINGS THAT COULD CONVERT TO THAT. WE DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THAT.
IT'S VERY LOGICAL TO BE HERE. AS WE SAID, GOOD LOCATION.
PLENTY OF BUFFERING TO IT. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO OTHER ONES IN THE AREA. IT WILL MIX IN WELL WITH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE HERE.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN AND THE PCA DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.
WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT UNLESS THE BOARD HAS ANY
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 8? PURE POWER SPORTS ACTUALLY.
SEEING NONE. CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> OKAY. NOW PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED, WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. MR. SMITH.
I WOULD BE GLAD TO MOVE THIS AS YOU SO CHOOSE.
>> MOTION TO 18 ACT ORDINANCE 2021-41.
2021-41. I THOUGHT THAT WAS LOW.
APPROVING REZONING 2021-10 PURE POWER SPORTS TO A REQUEST TO REZONE APRIL 6.04 ACRES FROM IW TO CW BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF
[9. Public Hearing * CPA (SS) 2021-01 Clark Property.]
FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.>> SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.
FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.
>> OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM 9. THIS IS THE CLARK PROPERTY.
GOOD AFTERNOON. WE'RE HERE FOR ZONING CHANGE.
SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE TO RESIDENTIAL A.
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WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING US OUT.THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> OKAY. THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.
SIMPLE AND TO THE POINT. >> I TELL YOU, I'M NERVOUS.
WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NINE. CLARK PROPERTY.
WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. WAIT A MINUTE.
YES, SIR, NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
13 A SOUTH. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL. I WANTED DOUBLE CHECK WHERE THAT LIES WITH REGARD TO THE DRAINAGE.
IF THE TOPOGRAPHY THAT HAS CHANGED.
I OWN A 24 SPACE MOBILE HOME PARK.
THE AFFECTED FAMILIES AND THE FLOWING WATER THAT GOES THROUGH THERE. I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE REVISITED AND LOOKED AT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT ON
9. >> THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT. WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO RESPOND? I DON'T BELIEVE THE TOPOGRAPHY IS GOING TO CHANGE A BIT.
WE'RE 21 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL. WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING WITH THE PROTECTED WOODLANDS. THE WATER IS STILL GOING TO FLOW. THERE'S OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTIES ON THIS PARTICULAR SECTION WITH WATER.
IF ANYTHING, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO IMPROVE IT.
BECAUSE OF THE TRAILER PARK ACROSS THE ROAD.
EVERYBODY WINGS STUFF OUT OF THE WINDOW INTO THE DRAINAGE DITCH AND I PLAN TO KEEP THAT CLEAN. THERE SHOULD BE NOTHING THAT CHANGES ON THERE. THE TOPOGRAPHY SHOULD NOT CHANGE. IT'S ALREADY LEVEL AND 21 FEET
ABOVE SEA LEVEL. >> I APOLOGIZE, I THINK I MIGHT HAVE THE WRONG AREA. I WAS JUST MAILED THIS AND NOT THE CORRECT INFORMATION. I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THE LOCATION OF WHERE THEY ARE PROPOSING THEIR TWO HOUSES IS
THE AREA IN QUESTION. >> WE WILL LET Y'ALL TALK OFFLINE SO WE CAN KEEP GOING THROUGH HERE.
I WILL LET YOU TALK TO THEM OFF LINE.
IS THERE ANYTHING? >> COMMISSIONER SMITH.
>> IF YOU DON'T MIND. WE JUST PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO PUTTING A CULVERT UNDER THE ROAD THERE AT 13 JUST NORTH OF 13 A.
WHICH IS RIGHT ADJOINING, GO AHEAD.
>> THIS IS A DIFFERENT AREA. I THOUGHT IT WAS DIRECTLY NEXT TO MY PROPERTY LINE. I WOULD LIKE TO RETRACT MY PROPERTY LINES. STILL IT'S INTERESTING.
I HAD A QUESTION ANYWAY. IF SOMEBODY CAN HELP ME.
THAT WATER GOING SOUTH AND IT GOES SOUTH ALONG THE EAST EDGE OF 13 GOING SOUTH. I'M CURIOUS IF ANYBODY HAS AN ANSWER FOR THAT. I THOUGHT THAT WATER WAS GOING WEST. I HEARD COMMISSIONER WALDRON SAY IT GOES WEST. THE LAST IT WENT SOUTH UNDERNEATH 13 A. I WONDER HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE
SPENT THERE. >> I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER AND I WILL GET ONE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE TOO, I DON'T MEAN THIS FOR ILL UPON THEM.
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IT'S A COMPATIBLE PIECE AND WORKS IN THIS AREA.IT'S INTERESTING. THIS IS A WOODED LOT.
I THOUGHT WHEN HE CAME UP, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
IF IT'S RIGHT AND ACCURATE. SO IT DOESN'T IMPEDE ANYBODY.
I WAS SHOCKED ON WHERE THE WATER WAS GOING.
I THOUGHT MAN THIS IS A PERFECT HARMONIZED APPROACH TO WHAT YOU SAW. NONETHELESS.
I WILL MOVE THIS MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU.
ALSO JUST EVERYBODY TAKE NOTE. THIS IS THREE DISTRICT 2S IN A ROW. AND I DON'T HAVE THE MOTION IN MY BOOK. IT GOES, IF WE WANT TO MOVE IT
ALONG. >> IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT ALONG.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE 2021-42.
CPA 2021-01 CLARK PROPERTY REQUEST FOR SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM AGRICULTURAL ATTEMPTS AT A 1 TO A A.
TO RESIDENTIAL A RESIDENCE A BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT
AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> I WILL SECOND THAT.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD?
I PASS THIS 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS.
WE WILL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM 10 NEXT.
I GOT TWO OF THOSE. DO WE HAVE SOMEONE FOR AGENDA ITEM 10. GOOD AFTERNOON JUSTIN KELLY, GROWTH MANAGEMENT. I AM NOT SURE WHERE MY APPLICANT IS AT. HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.
>> WE'RE MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.
[12. Fiscal Year 2022 Recommended Budget.]
DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY TO BRIEF THIS AGENDA ITEM? I BELIEVE THIS IS REGINA'S ITEM. WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE READY TO DO AGENDA ITEM 12. HOLD ON A SECOND.WE GOT A LONG AGENDA TODAY. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP GOING HERE. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WAITING. A LOT OF PRIVATE CITIZENS TAKING TIME OFF. HAVE TO KEEP MOVING HERE.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. COMMISSIONERS, JESSE DUNN, DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT OF BUDGET.
WE'RE ON TO THE FY 2022 BUDGET PRESENTATION.
SHORT STORY ON THIS. THERE'S NO MOTION REQUIRED ON THIS. THE FIRST MOTION THE BOARD WILL CONSIDER IS ON AUGUST 3RD WHEN THE BOARD CONSIDERS SETTING THE CEILING. WE WILL DISCUSS THAT AS WELL AS SETTING THE FIRST HEARING, THE FIRST DATE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. RUNNING FOR MAYOR HAS WINDED MY.
IT'S AWFUL. THE FY '22 BUDGET PROCESS IS SEVEN MONTHS FROM MID FEBRUARY TO MID SEPTEMBER.
WE ARE UP TO THE JULY RECOMMENDED BUDGET.
THE BOARD WAS PRESENTED THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET WORK BOOK.
I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST, ACTUALLY I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST TWO FRIDAYS AGO. THE WORK BOOK HAS BEEN PUT ONLINE. IT'S THE LINE ITEM BUDGET AS WELL THE DRAFT PRESENTATION WAS PUT AS PART OF THE AGENDA PACKET FOR ANYONE OUT THERE. AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS,
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THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET FOR FY '22 IS $1,103,735,077 AND AGAIN THAT WORK BOOK REFLECTS THE FULL LINE ITEM BUDGET.THIS IS PRIOR TO WHAT IS CALLED A CARRY FORWARD PROCESS, WHICH IS INCLUDED AT THIS SEPTEMBER BUDGET WHICH COULD BRING CERTAINLY, INCREASED THE BUDGET SUBSTANTIALLY.
WHAT THAT IS, THE CARRY FORWARD OF MULTIYEAR PROJECTS, MULTIYEAR GRANTS THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE CERTAINLY FEDERAL GRANT PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT WILL SEE THAT ROLLED FORWARD, AS WELL AS ANY CAPITAL PROJECTS THE BOARD APPROVED IN '21 OR PRIOR YEARS WE SIMPLY CARRY FORWARD. WE CARRY FORWARD AS THE PROJECT CONTINUES. THE REQUIREMENT AND GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING. THIS IS EXTREMELY COMMON TO SEE THESE CARRY FORWARD. THIS IS BROUGHT BACK IN SEPTEMBER. THE CONSIDERATION OF ADOPTED BUDGET WILL HAVE AGAIN THESE LARGE.
IN TERMS OF BASELINE BUDGET. IF YOU LOOK AT COMPARISON FOR ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT, I LIKE TO LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE COMPARISONS OF YEAR TO -- OF THESE MULTI-YEAR ITEMS. FOR EVERYONE, THE '22 BUDGET GUIDELINES. WE CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT CONSIDERATIONS AND INFLATION. THE STAFF CERTAINLY SOME CONCERNS ABOUT INFLATIONARY PRESSURES.
WE HAD THE GUIDELINES AND CONTINUE TO LOOK AT PROPERTY AND LIABILITY INSURANCE. IF YOU RECALL UTILITY COSTS.
AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, I CAN'T FORESEE GAS PRICES.
I HAVE ADJUSTED FOR DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE LARGER FUEL, ROAD AND BRIDGE, FIRE AND EMS THAT HAVE A CONTINGENCY OF AN EVENT IN '22 THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO COVER THE COSTS.
I KEPT THE COSTS IN LINE WITH '21 AND SEE INFLATION.
THE COST FOR WAGES AND SALARIES IS 1.8 %.
THE MERIT CONSIDERATION IS 2% FOR THE THOSE WHO MEET THE NECESSARY CRITERIA AS WELL. WE DO SOME PROGRAMS FOR LICENSURES INDUSTRY MARKET WATCH, FOR ANY PROMOTIONS THAT ARE IN THERE. HEALTH INSURANCE, RETIREES.
3.1%. FOR ALL EMPLOYEE, EMPLOYER AND THE RETIREE. WE HAVE ZERO PERCENT FOR EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS. WE HAVE THOSE ADJUSTED AS SUCH.
AGAIN WE CONTINUE TO FIND OUR MULTIYEAR CAPITAL REPAIR, WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE FOR OUR CIP PLAN FOR THIS YEAR. AS SOME OF THE COVID RESPONSE WE HAVE A ROBUST CIP PLAN RECOMMENDED FOR '22.
AGAIN, WE HAVE CERTAINLY SEEN DISCUSSIONS TODAY ON CREDIT RATINGS, THE COUNTY IS NO DIFFERENT.
WE ARE GOING TO MAINTAIN HEALTHY RESERVES AND OUR CREDIT RATINGS AND EVEN AT THIS RECOMMENDED BUDGET.
THE STAGES AT STATE LEVEL TO IMPACT FEES AND SOME OF THE ABILITIES TO SELL IMPACT FEE CREDITS.
THE REVENUES, WE JUMP INTO THE VALUES.
THE VALUATION IS 9.72%. THIS GRAPHIC REFLECTS REALLY AN INTERESTING HISTORY. WE'RE TALKING PROPERTY TAXES
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$19 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR AT CURRENT PROPERTY TAX MILLAGE AND VALUATION. OUR AGAIN AS WE CONTINUE TO TREND OUR FUEL TAX OR HALF CENT SALES TAX AND OUR TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX, WE ARE SEEING THE POINT REALLY OF THIS SLIDE IS TO SHOW WE'RE BACK TO AT SOME LEVEL, PRECOVID CONDITIONS.FUEL WE'RE STILL SEEING DOWN AND WILL CONTINUE TO WATCH THAT.
WE WILL LOOK AT THOSE THROUGH SEPTEMBER TO SEE IF THEY ADJUST UP. AS A BEHAVIOR, WE'RE SEEING A CHANGE IN EVEN IN SOME LEVEL PEOPLE TRANSITIONING TO A MORE FUEL EFFICIENT VEHICLE. THAT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A BEHAVIORAL EFFECT OF COVID AT THIS POINT. WHERE IT'S NOT AS HIGH AS '19 AND '21, WE'RE A LITTLE SURPRISED BY THAT.
REVENUE SHARING IS A A FORMULA BASED ON SALES TAX.
NOT ONLY POST, PRECOVID I'M SORRY, BUT AT CERTAINLY IMPROVING ON THAT. WE'RE LOOKING AT CLOSE TO 29 ALMOST 30 MILLION THERE. THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION THAT THERE IS DEMAND WHERE PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SPENDING TIME COMING OUT OF COVID. THINGS THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO DO.
LET'S SAY FISCAL YEAR '20. WE HAVE COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR '22'S PROJECTION. THAT MIGHT BE DARE I SAY MY ONLY CONSERVATIVE REVENUE PROJECTION IN THIS BUDGET.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT ONE.
THAT ONE AGAIN, I MIGHT ADJUST. TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX, WE SEEM TO BE TRENDING SLIGHTLY LOWER OF A REALLY POSITIVE THAN '19 BUT RIGHT IN LINE WITH 19. THINGS CERTAINLY LOOK GOOD.
'19 WAS A STRONG YEAR. FROM THE NUMBERS I HAVE, AND THAT'S JUST THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX.
WE'RE STRONG AGAIN IN THOSE RECEIPTS.
RECOMMENDED BUDGET EXPENDITURES. SINCE THE ADMINISTRATORS WORKSHOP. WE HAVE ADJUSTED WHERE PROMOTE THE GAS OIL AND LUB, SOME OF THE LARGER DEPARTMENTS WITH THE GAS BUDGETS LIKE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. TEMPORARY STAFFING HAS BEEN UPDATED TO ADJUST TO THE CERTAINLY THE LAW CHANGES OF MINIMUM WAGE. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR CONTRACT. AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO PUT OUR INSURANCE BUDGETS INTO PLACE. THE WORKSHOP WE HAD SEPARATED OUT SECURITY SERVICES FROM OUR CONTRACTUAL SERVICES JUST AS AN ADDITIONAL MONITORING OF THOSE LINE ITEMS. AT THE ADMINISTRATORS WORKSHOP, WE DID NOT HAVE THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE BECAUSE AT THAT POINT IN THE PROCESS, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF GOING ON. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DON'T HAVE AT THAT POINT IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER'S REQUEST. ONCE THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER REQUESTS ARE IN, IT'S THE PERFECT TIME TO BALANCE THE BUDGET AND FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SINCE THE WORKSHOP, TWO MORE SIGNIFICANT ITEMS. THE THE FEMA BERM PROJECT SO WE ADDED ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO TRACT THAT. THAT WAS NOT IN THE WORKSHOP.
AS WELL PER JUNE 1ST, BCC REFINANCING OF A 2021 TAXABLE
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FUNDS. IN FY '21 ALONE, THE COMMISSION'S REFINANCING IS ACHIEVED, A LITTLE LESS THAN 13 MILLION IN THE PRESENT VALUE SAVINGS, PLUS ADDITIONAL DEBT REFINANCING IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR.THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT'S CERTAINLY MAKES OUR BUDGETING PROCESS A WHOLE LOT EASIER.
AND WE HAVE CERTAINLY HAD AND WILL CONTINUE TO UPDATE OUR IMPACT FEE REDUCTIONS, FOR '21 WE HAVE SEEN INCREASED ACTIVITIES BUT WE'RE HOLDING ACTIVITIES FLAT FOR FY '22 TO WHAT OUR ORIGINAL WORKSHOP WAS. WE HAD THE HOUSE BILL THAT BECAME LAW, HOUSE BILL 337. IMPACT FEE CREDITS.
WE DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THE IMPACT FEES COME IN. A STRONG REVENUE RESOURCE FOR OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS. WE WILL ALL LEARN WHAT THE BEHAVIORAL CHANGES FROM THAT LAW.
ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION SINCE THE ADMINISTRATORS WORKSHOP TO ADD ADDITIONAL CIP MANAGER TO ADDRESS WHAT IS AN INVENTORY OF CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, THE BOARD APPROVES SOME BACK IN '19. A LOT OF THIS WAS HELD FLAT BECAUSE OF REALLY THE EFFORTS GOING INTO COVID RESPONSE.
WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED IN '22 AND AT THIS POINT, SO WE COULD SEE THE PROJECTS COME TO FRUITION, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL CIP OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT MANAGER IN THERE TO ASSIST IN GETTING THOSE PROJECTS DONE. THE FY '22, VEHICLE REQUESTS, COMPUTER MAINTENANCE. WE OVERALL REDUCED SINCE THE WORKSHOP ABOUT $832,000. THREE OF THE AREAS HAD ABOUT A A LITTLE LESS THAN $2 MILLION REDUCTION OR ABOUT 22% AND THAT'S IN THE PERSONNEL VEHICLES AND CAPITOL.
WE ACTUALLY INCREASED MAINTENANCE BECAUSE WE HAD AGAIN SOME ADDITIONAL ONE-TIME FUNDING AND WE STILL HAD ADDITIONAL PRIORITY ONE PROJECTS THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FUND AT THAT TIME OF THE WORKSHOP. SO AGAIN, ONCE WE RECEIVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER'S BUDGETS, WE WERE ABLE TO DO AN INITIAL BUDGET AND ADDRESS DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
CERTAINLY ALWAYS GOOD TO INVEST IN EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
GENERAL FUND PICK UPS. THIS IS WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. THE COVID-19 RESPONSE.
WE HAD AND THIS WAS DISCUSSED EVEN THIS MORNING WITH THE AUDITORS THAT REALLY MANY COUNTIES AND CITIES CERTAINLY CAME FORWARD WITH OUT OF THIS, AT LEAST THIS INITIAL COVID RESPONSE WITH POSITIVE REVENUES. FY 20 ACTUAL PICK UPS WERE $11.2 MILLION. FY '21S BUDGET WE TOOK A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH IN CONTRACTING OUR OPERATIONS BECAUSE WE ANTICIPATED CERTAINLY CONTRACTED REVENUES.
THE GOOD NEWS IS WE DIDN'T SEE THAT LEVEL OF CONTRACTED REVENUES AND WHAT THAT RESULTS IN IS A ONE-TIME PICK UP.
AS WE APPROACH THE '22 BUDGET, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE CONTRACTIONS IN THERE. WE ARE AT SOME LEVEL FULLY APPROPRIATED. WE SAW A ONE-TIME PICK UP AND SAW COVID-19 RESPONSE EFFORT PICK UPS IF YOU WILL.
SO IN TOTAL WE HAD $57.1 MILLION, 33.5 OF THAT ARE REFLECTED IN THE OUR CIP PROGRAM FOR NEXT YEAR.
AGAIN 1-TIME DOLLARS TO PICK UPS TOWARD ONE TIME PROJECTS.
I WILL CERTAINLY HANDLE THE RECURRING COSTS IN OUR BUDGET WHEN THESE PROJECTS COME ON BOARD.
THOSE CONSIDERATIONS FOR RECURRING COSTS OF OPERATIONS AND ANY PERSONNEL WE ARE TRACKING IN THERE.
AS WELL WE'RE PUTTING $3 MILLION INTO THE FIVE FUND BACK INTO THE FIRE DISTRICT RESERVES FOR THEIR EFFORTS DURING THE COVID RESPONSE AND AS WELL WE'RE PUTTING $20.6 MILLION BACK INTO GENERAL FUND UNRESTRICTED RESERVES.
SO AGAIN SAVING FOR BUILDING OUR RESERVES BACK UP AGAIN.
THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ARE IN THE WORK BOOK.
THIS IS AN OUTLINE FOR FY '22, WE HAVE $180 MILLION PROGRAMMED AND FOR OUR MULTI-YEAR FROM 23 TO 26 ABOUT $457 MILLION WITH
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THE, IN THOSE OUTYEARS. BOTH THE MAJORITY OF THAT FUNDING THROUGH UTILITY SERVICES.SO, THEY CERTAINLY HAVE IN RESPONSE TO GROWTH A WHOLE LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. WE CAN RUN THROUGH THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ON THOSE.
AS WELL AS ANY QUESTIONS AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS BUDGET PROCESS. THE FY '22, THE MILLAGE FUND RESERVES. WE CERTAINLY ARE I BREAK THEM INTO RESTRICTED RESERVES, WHAT ARE CONSIDERED TARGETED RESERVES AND UNRESTRICTED RESERVES. I WILL HIGHLIGHT THE GENERAL FUND. I THINK THE AUDITOR SAID IT BEST. THIS IS THE FUND WE COME TO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE COUNTY'S RESPONSE EFFORTS IN TERMS OF OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION. SO OUR GENERAL FUND RESERVE, WE HAVE RESTRICTED RESERVES A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT AN AUDITOR CALLS A RESTRICTED RESERVE.
SOME ARE DEVELOPERS DOLLARS FOR SPECIFIC AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS, AS WELL AS SOME RECEIVABLES THAT WE HAVE FOR SOME PROJECTS IN WHICH THE GENERAL FUND HAS LOANED FUNDING THROUGH AN INTERNAL LOAN PROGRAM TO OTHER AREAS.
ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE THE TRAINING FACILITY FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. WE ALSO HAVE A TREASURE BEACH LOAN PROGRAM AS WELL WHERE WE SET UP A RECEIVABLE IN THAT RESTRICTED RESERVE. OUR TARGETED RESERVES ARE $33.8 MILLION AND REPRESENTS A 60 DAY OF OUR GENERAL FUND OPERATIONS. THE ABILITY TO RESPOND IN THE EVENT OF A CATASTROPHE. WE HAVE BEEN STRONG IN MAINTAINING OUR TARGETED RESERVES.
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN CERTAINLY UTILIZING OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IS THE STRENGTH IN OUR UNRESTRICTED RESERVE.
WE ARE LOOKING AT $20 MILLION. THAT'S THE LINE ABOVE TARGETED RESERVES. CERTAINLY LOOKS LIKE A LOT BUT THOSE APPROPRIATIONS CAN CERTAINLY MOVE QUICKLY IN FY '21 AND WE HAVE NOT HAD A STORM EVENT.
THANK GOODNESS. I WILL KNOCK ON THIS WOOD HERE.
WE HAVE UTILIZED $11 MILLION IN GENERAL FUND RESERVES JUST THIS YEAR TO DATE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE UNRESTRICTED RESERVES CAN BE LEVERAGED QUITE QUICKLY.
SO GOING INTO AUGUST 3RD, AGAIN THIS IS WHERE THE BOARD FIRST CONSIDERATION OF SETTING THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATES AND CERTAINLY NOT TO UNDERPLAY ANY, THE COMMISSION'S ROLE, THE COMMISSION'S ROLE HAS BEN IN HERE SINCE WE BROUGHT THE GUIDELINES FORWARD IN FEBRUARY. I HAVE CERTAINLY HEARD FROM EACH COMMISSIONER IN HERE INDIVIDUALLY PHONE CALLS, E-MAILS, SINCE THAT POINT, LARGE PARTICIPATION BY THE COMMISSION.
DURING THE WORKSHOP AND AS I ALWAYS SAY, I ANTICIPATE AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME, CERTAINLY GETTING MY SHARE OF CALLS AND E-MAILS ABOUT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT MY DEPARTMENT IS HERE FOR TO ADDRESS ANY AREAS THAT NEEDS YOU KNOW ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION. BUT THE FIRST, THE KIND OF THE FIRST OFFICIAL PROCESS WILL BE SETTING THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES. TODAY NO REQUIRED ACTION BUT ON AUGUST 3RD, THE COMMISSION WILL TAKE ACTION TO SET THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES. WHAT PART OF THIS BY STATUTE IS TO CALCULATE THE ROLL BACK, THE AGGREGATE ROLL-BACK RATE AND ESTABLISH WHAT IS CALLED THE DAY TIME AND LOCATION OF THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING OF THE FISCAL YEAR '22 TENTATIVE BUDGET.
THIS INFORMATION FROM AUGUST 3RD IS UTILIZED IN THE WHAT'S CALL THE TRIM OR TRUTH IN MILLAGE NOTICE, THAT IS REALLY KIND OF YOUR FIRST GLANCE THAT'S MAILED OUT OF WHAT YOUR TAX BILL COULD LOOK LIKE. EVERYONE RECEIVES THAT TRIM NOTICE REALLY IN RESPONSE TO THE ACTION THAT IS TAKEN ON AUGUST 3RD. AND THEN ONCE ESTABLISHED, THE GENERAL RULE IS WE WANT TO ESTABLISH THE CEILING ON AUGUST 3RD BECAUSE GENERALLY YOU CAN ALWAYS THE BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO TAKE THAT MILLAGE RATE DOWN AND LAST YEAR WE ENDED UP THE COMMISSION WENT TO THE ROLL BACK RATE FOR FY '21.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING IT DOWN.
THERE ARE OTHER STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS AFTER WE SET THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES IF YOU HAVE TO BRING THEM BACK UP, WE HAVE TO SEND OUT ANOTHER TRIN NOTICE AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS ON
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THAT. GENERALLY WE SAW ON AUGUST 3RD, SET YOUR HIGH LEVEL, YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO BRING THE MILLAGE RATES DOWN FOR THE FIRST TWO HEARINGS.AS PART OF THAT ROLL BACK RATE DISCUSSION, I WANTED TO PUT THIS OUT HERE JUST AS A KIND OF A WHAT THE EFFECT WOULD BE AND THIS IS, THERE ARE A COUPLE COLUMNS HERE.
I SHOW WHAT THE INCREMENTAL PROPERTY TAX IS FOR EACH MILLAGE FUNDS. CURRENTLY AT THE RECOMMENDED, THE 19 MILLION, IF WE WERE TO GO TO THE ROLL BACK RATES, SO THE COMMISSION UNDERSTANDS THE EFFECT OF IT.
IT BRINGS THOSE DOLLARS DOWN TO $8.3 MILLION, THERE'S AN OVERALL REDUCTION OF ABOUT $10.6 MILLION.
THAT REDUCTION FOR THE GENERAL FUND IS ABOUT A SEVEN MILL DOLLAR EFFECT. LAST YEAR'S ROLL BACK RATE HAD A REDUCTION OVERALL OF THOSE FUNDS OF $13 MILLION.
I WILL SAY, QUITE FRANKLY IT WAS EASIER TO GO TO ROLL-BACK RATE.
ON THE BCC SIDE, NOT ONLY DID WE HOLD OURSELVES, WE ACTUALLY CONTRACTED AND CAME IN AND FISCAL YEAR '20 OUR OVERALL BCC OPERATION LOWER THAN THE PRIOR YEAR.
CERTAINLY WITH THE HELP OF COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND THE BOARD THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BUT WE PULLED THE BELTS TIGHTER LAST YEAR, COMING IN AT THIS LEVEL, WILL CERTAINLY OFFER CHALLENGES UP IF THE BOARD DOES DECIDE TO GO THERE.
BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS THEM BUT JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT IN, THAT DOES HAVE A $10.6 MILLION EFFECT IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO GO THERE. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT AGAIN THE AUGUST 3RD CONSIDERATION WOULD BE.
IT WOULD LOOK SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS.
WE WOULD HAVE AGAIN ON AUGUST 3RD AND THEN AGAIN, I'M OPEN FOR ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS BETWEEN NOW AND INCLUDING AUGUST 3RD. BUT WE WOULD ESTABLISH THESE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES. AGAIN AT A CEILING AND THEN, SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE FIRST CHECK MARK UP THERE AND THE CHART TO THE RIGHT, AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM WOULD BE TO AUTHORIZE THE COMPLETION OF WHA FORUM DR 420S.
WHICH ALLOW AGAIN THE MAILING OF THE TRIM NOTICE AND THEN AS WELL THE ESTABLISHMENT AND WE LOOKED AT THIS, IT IS CLEAR NOW.
SEPTEMBER 7, 2021, AT 5:01 P.M. IN THIS AUDITORIUM.
WE WILL CERTAINLY IF THERE'S ANY CHANGE IN THE DATE, WE WILL CERTAINLY MODIFY THAT BEFORE AUGUST 3RD....USC-JJSC1029
>> I AM OPEN TO QUESTIONS AGAIN NOT ONLY HERE BUT AS WE
[11. Second Reading of a proposed ordinance that levies and imposes an additional one percent (1%) tourist development tax and amends, revises, and restates the County's Tourist Development Plan.]
CONTINUE THROUGH THE PROCESS. THANK YOU.>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?
>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE BUDGET PROCESS.
SEEING NONE, COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I APOLOGIZE SO I AM HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY TO PRESENT THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE.
ADDITIONAL ONE PERCENT TAX, RESTATES THE COUNTIES DEVELOPMENT PLAN. OUR FIRST READING ON JUNE 15, DURING THAT REVIEW A REQUEST FROM THE BOARD FOR A REVENUE ALLOCATION. SO WHAT IS BEING BROUGHT BEFORE YOU TODAY, THREE POINTS, THE FIRST IS WHETHER THE 50 PERCENT SHOULD BE LEVIED, THE SECOND IS A CONTEMPLATION OF MODIFICATIONS TO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE THIRD IS IF THE CONSENT IS LEVIED HOW SHOULD THE REVENUE BE ALLOCATED. THE DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL HAS PROVIDED RECOMMENDATION TO LEVY THE FIFTH SENT, MODIFICATIONS TO THE PLAN, THE COUNCIL MADE A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS MODIFICATIONS. REVISION TO CATEGORY 5, FROM TOURISM ASSETS TO BEACH ASSETS, IN DOING SO DEFINITION FOR THAT
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CATEGORY WILL BE MODIFIED TO CONSOLIDATE ALL BEACH EXPENDITURES FOR NOURISHMENT, OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE, IMPROVEMENTS INTO THAT CATEGORY.RECOMMENDATION TO MODIFY CATEGORY 3, LEISURE AND RECREATION TO REMOVE ALL THOSE SPEECH EXPENDITURES INTO CATEGORY 5. ALSO UPDATE CATEGORY 3 AND FOUR, CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE. ALLOCATION OF THE REVENUE, RECOMMENDATION WHICH IS SHOWN HERE AT THE TOP ROW OF THIS TABLE, DURING OUR DISCUSSION, PRIOR MEETING, SUGGESTED OR REQUESTED THAT I RETURN WITH THE TABLE THAT SHOWED ALLOCATION .2 CENTS FOR CATEGORY 1, .2 CENTS CATEGORY 3, .6 CENTS FOR CATEGORY 5. ON THE SCREEN, IMPLICATIONS OF THAT ALLOCATION OF REVENUE. .2 CENTS, IN MARKETING.
REVENUE PROJECTION $3 MILLION PER PENNY FOR THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. CATEGORY 3, RECREATION, A NOTE THAT WE ARE OPERATING IN THE STABLE WITH ACCEPTANCE OF THE RECOMMENDATION TO MODIFY THE PLAN SO CATEGORY 3 IS NOT INCLUDED IN ANY EXPENDITURES. FOR THAT CATEGORY IF WE GIVE THEM POINT TO PENNIES 20 PERCENT OF THE NEW REVENUE.
CATEGORY 5, AGAIN BE THAT REVISED BEACH ASSETS CATEGORY, INCLUDES ONLY BEACH EXPENDITURES, EXPENSES, .6 PENNIES. EQUATE $1.8 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 22. LOOKING AT THAT ALLOCATION IN THE CONTEXT OF THE GREATER ORDINANCE, WHAT WE SEE HERE IS THAT WITH ALLOCATION OF THAT PENNY, .2 ALTERNATIVES, WHAT YOU SEE IS A FINAL ALLOCATION ACROSS THOSE CATEGORIES OF 1.7 PENNIES OR 34 PERCENT OF THE FIVE CENTS, 5.1 MILLION IN CATEGORY 1 WHICH IS DESTINATION MARKETING.
.5 PENNIES, 10 PERCENT. 1.5 MILLION FISCAL YEAR 22 FOR OUR ARTS, CULTURE AND HERITAGE PROGRAMS. CATEGORY 3, MODIFY CATEGORY, LEISURE AND RECREATION, .4 PENNIES WHICH IS A PERCENT OF THE OVERALL TAX, 1.2 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 22. CATEGORY 4, SPECIAL USES AND EVENTS, RECEIVE NO PENNIES, RETAIN .8 ALLOCATION 16 PERCENT OF FIVE PENNIES, 2.4 MILLION FOR 22.
CATEGORY 5, ALL BEACH EXPENDITURES, NEW ALLOCATION 1.6 PENNIES, 32 PERCENT OF THE ALLOCATION, FOUR .8 MILLION.
BACK TO OUR SLIDE, THE THREE THINGS RIGHT CONSIDERING IS WHETHER THE TAX SHOULD BE LEVIED.
IF ANY CHANGES TO THE PLAN SHOULD BE MADE, IF THE SENT IS
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? A LOT OF PEOPLE WAITING ALL AFTERNOON. OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS SO
WE YEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 11.
APPROACH THE PODIUM, NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, THREE MINUTES.
>> YES, SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DILLON, THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH, ACTING ONLY AS DYLAN NOT AS OUR BOARD. IN FAVOR OF THE PENNY, TRUST IN YOU WALL TO DIVIDE IT UP APPROPRIATELY, FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND OTHER NEEDS THAT ARE APPARENT, THE ENTIRE JURISDICTION OF SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.
I AM IN FAVOR OF IT. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
>> PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE. >> TWO MICROPHONES SO PLEASE
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MOVE CLOSER, WE WILL HEAR YOU AS WE GO THROUGH.>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
REPRESENTING THE CITY, EYE ON THE TDC SERVING ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND THE CITY. A COUPLE NUMBERS FOR YOU CONCERNING THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
WHAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING, 2019, IN THE ZIP CODE WHICH IS THE CITY, , 4.1 MILLION, 34 PERCENT OF THAT TAX COLLECTIONS COUNTYWIDE. 2019, USING THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE 20 WAS COVID-19, NOT COUNTING THOSE AS RELEVANT.
2019, CAME THROUGH THE CITY'S VIC DOORS, THE PARKING GARAGE DOWNTOWN. REPRESENTS 94 PERCENT OF VISITATION IN ALL SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.
2019, 419,000 CARS IN THE DOWNTOWN GARAGE OVER THE YEAR.
ALL TIME HIGH. CURRENTLY TRACKING POST COVID-19 IN OUR NUMBERS, 20 PERCENT ABOVE THOSE NUMBERS SO AT OUR ALL-TIME RECORD BREAKING HIGH NOW.
ALL OF THIS, IN THE CITY RECEIVING ALL OF $274,000 IN FUNDING FROM THAT TAX. A LOT OF THE CITY, 14,000 RESIDENTS. SO I ASK YOU, I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THE IMPACTS OF TOURISM, WHEN YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DECISION REGARDING THE FIFTH SENT.
PASSAGE AND ALLOCATION. SO I DO SUPPORT WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS, SAINT AUGUSTINE IS YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID WE ARE EXPERIENCING MASS TOURISM.
WE ARE, WONDERFUL PROBLEM OF SOLVING OUR OWN SUCCESS SO WE DO HAVE NEEDS MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> YES, SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. SPEAKING ALOUD BECAUSE I CANNOT HEAR BACK THERE WHEN SOMEBODY ELSE IS GIVING A PRESENTATION.
IT IS GOING TO BE SHORT. WE MEET HERE AGAIN, PEOPLE TIRED OF SEEING ME AT THESE, ANYWAY.
>> EXCUSE ME, SIR. >> I AM SORRY.
FEMA CONCERNED ABOUT THE BEACH IN NORTH ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
THEY SAY IT IS ONE STORM AWAY FROM DISASTER.
WE HAVE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY NOW TO BRING THIS ONE HOME, TO GET THE MONKEY OFF OUR BACK, YOU CAN DO IT, TODAY'S STAFF IS GIVING YOU A PROPOSAL. ONE PERCENT INCREASE IN TAX.
60 PERCENT WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM TO THE BEACH, ANY KIND OF EACH ACTIVITY. ALL I CAN SAY IS THIS IS YOUR CHANCE, LET'S GET IT DONE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> NEXT, PLEASE.
I TOO STRONGLY STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSAL. MY WIFE AND I MOVED TO THE BEACH IN 2006, WHEN WE MOVED IN OUR FRONT DOOR WAS 1500 FEET FROM THE HIGH TIDE LINE, UNBELIEVABLE, SO MUCH CLOSER TO HAVING OCEANFRONT PROPERTY, INCREDIBLE.
THAT IS GREATLY TO THE DETRIMENT OF PEOPLE WHO ALREADY
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OWN IT, THE BUSINESSES THAT DEPEND ON THE BEACH.THOSE OF US WHO LOVE IT FOR RECREATION.
THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS, IN ADDITION TO PROPERTY VALUES, SCHOOL TAXES AND THE LIKE.
IF YOU WALK FROM THE COUNTY LINE, SOUTH IT DOESN'T TAKE A GENIUS TO FIGURE OUT THAT THE BEACH IS DESTROYED.
PRIMARY AND SECONDARY DUNES ARE GONE, FORTUNATELY FEMA CAN REPLACE THE PRIMARY DUNE ONLY A SMALL PORTION ABOUT IS NECESSARY. WITHOUT APPROVAL OF THE PLANS AS OUTLINED, THE SECONDARY DUNE MOVING THE HIGH TIDE LINE FAR FAR TO THE EAST, WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE.
I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IT, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS ARE EXPENSIVE. SOMETIMES THEY DON'T BENEFIT PEOPLE OF THE GENERATION DURING WHICH THEY ARE APPROVED SO THEY ARE POLITICAL AND THEY ARE CONTROVERSIAL.
BUT THEY ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, PLEASE GIVE THIS YOUR CONSIDERATION, DO NOT DELAY IT.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO A BETTER FUTURE.
LORI CANNOT BE HERE, I AM READING HER SPEECH FOR HER.
TOO OFTEN WE FORGET TO SAY THANK YOU, EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO SAY TO YOU TODAY. WE HAVE COME SO FAR, TO SAVING ONE OF OUR COUNTIES GREATEST ASSETS, OUR BEACHES.
FIRST THANK YOU FIRING TAYLOR ENGINEERING IN THE SUMMER OF 2018 TO BEGIN DESIGN AND PERMITTING SO IT COULD DREDGE FROM FIVE MILES OFFSHORE. SECOND, THANK YOU FIRING OLSON AND ASSOCIATES IN 2019 TO FULLY COMPLETE DESIGN AND PRINTING FOR THE DREDGING PROJECT, UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE ALL THE PERMITS IN HAND SOON. THIRD, THANK YOU, IN 2019 FOR DIRECTING SOME OF THE COUNTIES BUDGET SURPLUS IN THAT YEAR TOWARDS CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF THE DREDGING PROJECT.
THIS WAS THE INITIAL MONEY WE PUT AWAY TOWARDS CONSTRUCTION.
FOURTH, THANK YOU FOR ADVOCATING WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHICH MATCHED THE 3.5 MILLION DOWN PAYMENT THAT SAINT JOHNS COUNTY PUT INTO THE NOURISHMENT.
7 MILLION TO PUT INTO THE PROJECT.
CONTINUED TO ASK FOR STATE, FINANCIAL SUPPORT IN THE YEARS TO COME. THANK YOU FOR THE COUNTIES FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE FEMA ARMY CORPS STUDY.
AS I ADD ALL THIS UP, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA INVESTED MILLIONS INTO THE RESTORATION OF THE BEACH.
A LOT OF MONEY ALL VERY WELL WORTH IT BECAUSE THOUSANDS OF TAXPAYERS AND VISITORS, DEPEND ON IT FINANCIALLY.
WILL BENEFIT. LET'S NOT THROW MILLIONS IN INVESTMENT, THE FUNDING SOURCE TO PAY FOR IT FOR DECADES.
GENERATED RIGHT HERE, FROM THE GUESTS.
HUNDREDS OF REGISTERED RENTALS, PLEASE DIRECT THE MONEY TOWARDS THE REIMBURSEMENT. THANK YOU ALL ONCE AGAIN.
THE RIGHT DECISION WILL BE MADE EVENTUALLY TO GET TO THE END
GAME OF RE-NOURISHMENT. >> THANK YOU.
>> YES, SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS DWIGHT MILLER. A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY ADVOCATES THE RACIAL EQUITY. THAT MY FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE VICKI MENTIONED THIS MORNING. I WANT TO MAKE A SPEECH LATER ON. I CUT TIME OUT OF THAT, DID NOT COME PREPARED TO DISCUSS THIS. COMPELLED TO REPRESENT PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HERE RIGHT NOW. IT IS HARD TO ARGUE ABOUT THE BEACH RESTORATION. A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR THE BEACH, WAITING FOR SEWERS.
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PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A LONG TIME.DEVELOPMENT HEADING THAT WAY. NOT TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF MONEY, PEOPLE, MY FRIENDS WHO I AM GETTING TO KNOW SAY WHY DO THEY KEEP SPENDING MONEY ON THAT BEACH? I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT IS POSSIBLE.
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HAVE BEEN GOING TO THAT BEACH FOR A LONG TIME. I AM GRATEFUL FOR IT.
I WOULD HOPE THAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, A BIG CHUNK OF THAT MONEY AND STILL HAVE A LOT FOR THAT.
IT CAN COME FROM OTHER PLACES. OTHER SOURCES IT COULD GO.
LET'S GET THOSE SEWERS BUILT. THIS IS THE RICHES COUNTY IN THE STATE. PEOPLE THAT FEEL LEFT OUT DO NOT FEEL THAT WAY ANYMORE. I DO THINK SOMETIMES I THINK YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. BARBARA, CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE CITY COMMISSIONER. SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE TAX, I THINK IMPORTANT ADDITION, IT COMES OUT OF THE INDUSTRY THAT IS PUTTING THE PRESSURE ON US RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE. OME OF WHAT MY COLLEAGUE ON THE COMMISSION SAID, ACTUALLY REINFORCE THAT, ASK FOR YOUR HELP, WE NEED YOUR HELP. CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, WHEN PEOPLE COME TO VISIT, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, SAINT AUGUSTINE IS ALWAYS ON THEIR LISTS, NOBODY THAT COMES TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AS A TOURIST WHO DOESN'T COME TO SAINT AUGUSTINE.
WE ALL FEEL THE PRESSURE, THE RESIDENTS FEEL THE PRESSURE IN TERMS OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. ESPECIALLY TRAFFIC.
THE PEOPLE WHO WORK, CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, ESSENTIAL PEOPLE WHO ARE EVERYDAY GOING TO WORK COMING TO THEIR JOBS, GOING FROM ONE LOCATION TO ANOTHER.
COSTING THEM MONEY. THE TIME TO GET FROM POINT A2 POINT B IS INCREASING EXPONENTIALLY.
ALL OF US HAVE SAT THROUGH TRAFFIC GRIDLOCK.
CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE COMMISSIONERS WROTE YOU A LETTER, A MONTH OR SO AGO ASKING FOR 50 PERCENT OF THIS ONE CENT, REINFORCE THAT REQUEST.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ADVOCATE AS THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE BEFORE ME, WE DO NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO.
GREAT INTERESTS, I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES INCLUDING BEACH NOURISHMENT, A TIME TO REALLY LOOK AT OUR GREATEST NEEDS FOR THE COMMUNITY, ADDRESS THOSE. I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER THE ALLOCATION. DO HOPE YOU WILL SUPPORT THAT FITS SENT SALES
TAX, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.
>> MY NAME IS MARK ANGELO. HOTELS AND RESORTS BRING IN 2.5 MILLION IN TAX REVENUE. LITTLE OF THAT MONEY STAYS AND SPENT. THE NUMBER ONE ATTRACTION IS OUR BEACHES, THEY ARE SUFFERING.
SURVEYS SHOW BEACH LIFESTYLE IS ONE OF THE TOP REASONS PEOPLE MOVE HERE, NOW TIME TO ACT BEFORE OUR BEACHES ARE DAMAGED.
ONE OF THE LOWEST DEVELOPMENT TAX RATES IN THE STATE, NUMBER ONE INDUSTRY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS TOURISM.
IT IS TIME TO RAISE THE RATE, GIVE SOME OF THAT MONEY BACK TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY IN THE FORM OF HEALTHY AND BEAUTIFUL BEACHES. WE ARE NOT PIONEERS IN THIS.
ATLANTIC BEACH, NEPTUNE BEACH, JACKSONVILLE BEACH, THE LIST GOES ON AROUND THE STATE. BEACHES THAT HAVE BEEN RE-NOURISHMENT THE ENGINEER, ONE STORM AWAY FROM DESTRUCTION. NOW IS THE TIME.
WE HAVE WORKED ON THIS PROJECT FOR FOUR YEARS, CONTINUE TO DO
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SO UNTIL OUR BEACHES ARE HEALTHY AGAIN.WE MUST ENSURE OUR COMMUNITIES SAFER FROM THE STORMS THAT COULD JEOPARDIZE OUR COUNTIES TOURISM AND PROPERTY.
OUR COUNTY BEACHES ARE JAMS WITH PROTECTING.
MANY WAYS TO FUND THIS PROJECT. PLEASE VOTE YES TO INCREASE THE RATE BY ONE PERCENT. THANK YOU.
ALL JAMMED TOGETHER AT HIGH TAG.
THIS COMMISSION HAS COME SO FAR IN FUNDING OUR PROJECT, PLEASE TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP AND RAISE THAT TAX WHEN PRESENT TO HELP THE BEACHES. THE LODGE AND CLUB, THE CABANA, CONDOMINIUMS, SO MUCH MORE. ALL VITAL TO OUR LOCAL ECONOMY.
TWO HOTELS GENERATE 3.2 MILLION, ONE PERCENT INCREASE.
THAT IS ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR, DOLLARS GENERATED BY OUR OWN HOTELS. THAT IS FAIR.
WHAT IS NOT FAIR, EVEN WITH THE 2 MILLION, 2.5 MILLION THAT OUR HOTELS GENERATE, WE SEE 1/10 OF THAT COME BACK.
IT IS OUR TURN TO SPEND THOSE DOLLARS IN PONDER , SUCH STRONG NEED, ENOUGH OF DEMONSTRATION. THANK GOD NOBODY WAS INJURED OR DIED DURING THE SIX MONTHS WE HAD TO LIVE WITH THIS NIGHTMARE. ANOTHER SIGN, NOT TAKING CARE OF OUR BEACH. THIS ADVERTISING THAT WE ARE COMPETING WITH, SPEND MORE ON ADVERTISING.
HERE IS WHAT THE BUREAU DOES, ONLINE ADVERTISING CLAIMS THAT THE BEACH MADE CNN'S LIST OF 22 CANNOT MISS U.S. BEACHES.
THAT IS A BIG CLAIM BUT SADLY THAT CLAIM IS SIX YEARS OLD.
BEFORE OUR BEACHES WERE HIT BY HURRICANES.
STILL SAYING IT TODAY, IN 21. AS IF IT IS STILL TRUE.
SO SHOULD WE SPEND EVEN MORE TAX DOLLARS ADVERTISING OF BEACH TO MAKE IT SEEM AS GREAT AS IT USED TO BE OR SPEND THAT MONEY TO PUT REAL SAND ON THAT BEACH PRESIDENT I HOPE THE ANSWER WILL BE THE LATTER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.FLORIDA'S FIRST COAST. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, YOU ALL, I WORK WITH FIVE DIFFERENT COUNTIES.
BY FAR THE MOST RESPONSIVE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS THAT I WORK WITH IN LISTENING TO INPUT LIKE YOU HAVE TODAY.
TODAY I SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE FIFTH CENT, IN PARTICULAR THE ALLOCATIONS FOR CATEGORY 1. FLORIDA, NORTHEAST FLORIDA, ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY, RECOVERY TRAJECTORY DURING THIS PANDEMIC TIME HAS BEEN REALLY STRONG. 2020 ST. JOHN'S COUNTY RANKED AMONG THE TOP IN THE STATE, MANY PERFORMANCE METRICS, REVENUE PER AVAILABLE ROOM. OCCUPANCY, ETC. REALLY HAS PUT STRENGTH THROUGH RESEARCH, EXPERIENCE.
BRINGING THE EXPERIENCE THROUGH BEST IN CLASS AGENCIES.
CATEGORY 1 PLAYS THE LEAD ROLE IN DRIVING DEMAND FOR VISITORS, A COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT TO ENJOY THE MANY ATTRACTIONS,
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EVENTS, OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.FINALLY A COMPLEMENT OF CATEGORY 1 FUNDS CRITICAL TO REBUILDING, GAINING AND RETAINING MARKET SHARE IN ANY DIVERSION, NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE COUNTY AND THE ABILITY TO DRIVE DEMAND AND VISITATION. CATEGORY 1 IS THE TIDE THAT RISES ALL VOTES, FIVE PERCENT IN LINE WITH OUR COUNTIES, ALL FIVE PENNIES BUT JACKSONVILLE, SIX.
SO YOU KNOW I WILL ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO SUPPORT THE FIFTH CENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. ANDREA JONES.
NOT ONLY A RESIDENT BUT A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. I WANT TO SPEAK, DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. IN FAVOR AT THE ADOPTION OF THE FIFTH CENT INCREASE WITH THE FOLLOWING ALLOCATIONS.
20 PERCENT CATEGORY 3. I WANTED TO REITERATE WITH SUPPORT THE ALLOCATION. FOR A BREAKING POINT, SUCCESSFUL MARKETING EFFORTS MADE BY OUR BCB, MY BUSINESS AS WELL AS MANY OTHERS HAVE BENEFITED FROM THEIR MARKETING.
JUST ON MY BEHALF AND FEATURED IN TRAVEL AND LEISURE MAGAZINE TWO TIMES, SOUTHERN LIVING. EVEN COASTAL LIVING.
REQUEST THE MARKETING FOR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WHETHER STATEWIDE, INTERNATIONALLY AS A PREMIER DESTINATION BE LEFT IN THE HANDS OF THE BCB. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ONE INCREASE? NAME AND ADDRESS ALTHOUGH WE
WITH THE CONVENTION BUREAU. 29 MICHIGAN AVENUE.
ALL RECEIVED A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION OVER THE PAST TWO WEEKS. GREAT CONCERN WAS GENERATED NOT BY THE FIFTH CENT, WE WORK VERY HARD TO GENERATE SUPPORT IN THE TOURISM INDUSTRY EVEN AMONG THE COLLECTORS TO SUPPORT THE FIFTH CENT. INCLUDING THE BEACHES.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS SOME CONTINUED MISCHARACTERIZATIONS OF THE WORK THAT WE DO, SO IF I CAN COME OVER, SOME OF THAT.
OF THAT REALITIES, YOU HAVE SEEN THE DATA, YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE TAXABLE VALUE OF HOTELS, RELATIVE IMPACT ON YOUR BUDGET, YOUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WITNESSED WAS THE MISS COLORIZATION OF CNN'S RATING OF OUR BEACH. THE REASON WHY THEY RATED IT AS HIGH AS THEY DO JUST LIKE OTHER BEACHES AROUND, BECAUSE OF ITS PUBLIC ACCESS. NOT ALL OF OUR BEACHES HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS, BUT THOSE THAT DO RATE VERY WELL.
PORTIONS OF THE BEACHES ARE AMONG THOSE.
THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY THERE APPEARS TO BE A DIFFERENCE OR A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOWN, THE EXPERIENCES THAT READERS OF BEACHES HAVE.
ANOTHER IS THAT IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED BY A CONSULTANT FROM CHICAGO, FOR THE CULTURAL COUNSEL.
THE VISITORS, DOES NOT MARKET TO CULTURAL VISITORS.
VISITORS FROM MAJOR MARKETS FAR AWAY INCLUDING INTERNATIONAL.
PROBABLY SEEN THE CHARTS GENERATED THROUGH CREDIT CARD DATA, REFLEX THE FACT WE HAVE SEEN GROWTH FOR EXAMPLE, NEW
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YORK CITY, CHICAGO. D.C. JUST THREE EXAMPLES.WE HAVE BEEN INCREASING THAT. YOU HAVE HEARD THAT WE ARE NOT SUPPORTING AFFLUENT TRAVEL, THE RATES OUR HOTELS ARE COLLECTING NOW HOW YOUR THAN THEY HAVE EVER COLLECTED.
OUR BED AND BREAKFAST DOING BETTER NOW THAN THEY HAVE EVER DONE SINCE MARCH OF THIS YEAR. SO DRIVING RECOVERY, GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE HERE, IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU.
>> FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. ITEM 11.
I AM KEVIN. WROTE ALL OF YOU MY SUPPORT OF THE EXTRA CENT TAX, IT WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED IN THE NEW PROPOSAL. I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.>> FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM 11. YES, MA'AM.
>> ANY OTHER SPEAKERS PLEASE LINE UP SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING.
ALTHOUGH THERE MAY NOT BE. THANK YOU.
>> JENNIFER JENKINS. RESIDE AT 645 MARKET STREET IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. ALSO I AM A LOCAL HOTEL, I DO WORK FOR OUR HOTEL. I AM JUST COME IN THE VILLAGE AREA, ALSO IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, TO START IN THE AREA.
I SUPPORT THE FIFTH CENT, I THINK THAT IT MAKES SENSE WITH ALL THE DATA THAT YOU HAVE HEARD, I ALSO SUPPORT THE CATEGORY 1. WHAT THE MR. GOLDMAN HAD SPOKE ABOUT, FOR THE COUNCIL, WITHOUT NOTES, DO NOT PLAN ON SPEAKING TODAY. AS HOTEL PERSON, WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE BCB, SUPPORT US GREATLY.
I CAN SEE THE IMPACT THEY HAVE HAD OVER THE YEARS, TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THEM I THINK WOULD BE A GREAT DETRIMENT.
I SEE NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS. BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> THANK YOU. PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED.
ANYTHING FURTHER? BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> MOST PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW THIS, I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE ONE CENT INCREASE. A QUESTION OR TWO IF I MAY ABOUT THE PROCESS AT THIS POINT.
I WAS PREPARED TODAY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE INCREASE IN THE TAX, ALLOCATION OF THAT FIFTH CENT, WITH YOUR DECISION POINTS. GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE, THREE POINTS. MY QUESTION IS, RECOMMENDATION WITH RESPECT TO PROCEEDING RIGHT NOW? APPROPRIATE, A MOTION FOR THE ONE CENT INCREASE.
THEN GO NEXT TO THE PLAN MODIFICATION.
TO THE ALLOCATION. LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE HERE.
I JUST NEED GUIDANCE. >> A MOTION IN YOUR PACKET.
>> I AM LOOKING AT IT. >> THE OVERHEAD HAD POINTS.
DOES NOT ADDRESS ALL THREE POINTS IS MY POINT.
>> THE LEVYING OF THE FIFTH CENT, CAPTURE THE MODIFICATIONS, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
ANY CHANGES, AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE ANY CHANGES YOU MADE
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TODAY, PROVIDES ALLOCATION OF THE REVENUE.THE MOTION DOES CAPTURE ALL THREE POINTS.
>> IF IT DOES, SINGLE MOTION THAT I AM ABOUT TO READ, ALLOCATION OF THE 60 PERCENT, 20 PERCENT, 20 PERCENT THAT I
DISCUSSED AT THIS LAST MEETING. >> YES, SIR.
THE DRAFT IN YOUR PACKET, ALLOCATION OF THE FIFTH CENT PROPOSED HERE ALLOCATE 20 PERCENT OF THE REVENUES TO CATEGORY 1, 20 PERCENT OF THE REVENUES CATEGORY 3, 20 PERCENT OF THE REVENUES CATEGORY 5, CATEGORY 5 WHICH IS BEACH MEASUREMENT. I AM SORRY, 60.
>> I WANT TO KNOW, MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT I AM VOTING ON.
>> I AM PREPARED TO MAKE THE MOTION.
>> THE MOTION. >> LET ME MAKE THE MOTION.
>> I AGREE TOO PERSONALLY. >> LET ME GO AHEAD AND START AND THEN WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION.
>> I WILL MOVE TO ENACT. ONE PERCENT DEVELOPMENT TAX THROUGHOUT. OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE.
REVISING AND RESTATING THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
>> OPEN IT UP TO BOARD DISCUSSION.
>> I AM FOR THE ONE PERCENT. LIKE TO SEE A DIFFERENT BREAKDOWN, 10 PERCENT CATEGORY 1. 10 PERCENT CATEGORY 2. 40 PERCENT CATEGORY 3. 40 PERCENT CATEGORY 5.
>> GIVE US THE NUMBERS ONE MORE TIME.
>> 10 PERCENT, 40 PERCENT. ZERO, 40.
>> BY CHANCE HANDOUTS OF THAT? COULD WE HAVE SOMEONE MAKE
COPIES. >> THE NOT BRING COPIES BUT WE
CAN GET SOME MADE. >> CAN I MAKE A STATEMENT WHILE
WE ARE WAITING. >> TO APPROVE THE INCREASE IN THE DEVELOPMENT TAX, SUPER MAJORITY VOTE.
IN THE SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE, I WANT TO AGREE TO COMMISSIONER PROPOSAL, WE CAN MOVE THIS AHEAD.
AGAIN NOT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT A COMPROMISE I WILL SUPPORT. WHEN WE ARE DONE WITH DISCUSSING I WILL BE PREPARED TO AMEND, OR DEFER.
>> THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. QUESTIONS ARE COMMENT.
>> ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD?
>> A QUICK COMMENT. CONVERSATIONS I HAVE HAD WITH THE COUNCIL, SEEKING FUNDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADVERTISING.
BELIEVE THAT MONEY COULD BE BETTER SPENT WITH THE BCB, COMBINE THEIR EFFORTS SO I THOUGHT THE 20 PERCENT IN CATEGORY 1 WAS A COMPROMISE AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 20 PERCENT GO TOWARDS CATEGORY 1. COMBINE THE EFFORTS.
I AM ADVOCATE FOR RAISING THE FIFTH CENT, LIKE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS AS TO WHAT THE 10 PERCENT IS.
>> YOU KNOW IT IS REALLY, KIND OF HOW THE ADVERTISING GOES.
I WOULD SAY MANAGE, NOT MANAGE BUT SEE WHAT OUR RETURN ON
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INVESTMENT IS.IGHER RATE THAN WE HAVE EVER HAD, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS RIGHT NOW IS WE ARE OPEN.ONE OF THE FEW COUNTIES THAT ARE OPEN.
YOU CAN STILL TRAVEL HERE. WE ARE AT FULL CAPACITY.
YOU KNOW AT A MEETING, SHOULDER TO SHOULDER, BUMPER-TO-BUMPER IN SAINT AUGUSTINE ON THE WEEKENDS.
NO DISRESPECT TO EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW, SEE WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS. HOW IT TAKES TO 45 MINUTES TO GO FIVE MILES. YOU KNOW IT IS BUSY DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW PART OF THE COUNCIL DID PROVIDE WAS GOING TO HIRE MORE FLUID TO RISKS THAT COME AND SPEND MORE TIME DURING THE WEEK. TALKING TO ALL TELLERS AND OTHER RESTAURANTS, SLOWER DURING THE WEEK.
THE HEALTH PROBLEMS IN THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW, STORES AND RESTAURANTS THAT ARE CLOSED DURING THE WEEK.
NOTHING AGAINST WHAT THE BCB IS DOING, YOU KNOW FROM THE PRESENTATIONS, UNANIMOUS. DID NOT TAKE MONEY FROM THE BCB. TDC BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY, THAT COULD CHANGE RECOGNITION TO THE BOARD, RECOMMENDATION TO THE ADMINISTRATION HOWEVER THEY SEE.
YOU KNOW I THINK AS FAR AS THE BEACH ASSETS, HAD THAT EXTRA MONEY THERE. STILL EVERYBODY IN THE MILLS OR CONTACTS IS TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT THAT WE HAVE YET TO VOTE ON, WHEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO START IT.
YOU KNOW I HAVE BEEN HERE FIVE YEARS NOW, ALWAYS CLOSE TO SOMETHING. IT MAY BE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP TO ACTIVATE, A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK. TO PAY, EVEN SOMEBODY CALL, I WROTE IT DOWN ON MY NOTES ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN SUMMER HAVEN. EXTRA PERSON AND, THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY RECEIVE IT SO THAT IS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE NUMBERS. THE BEST TIME, HAVE MONEY TO BUILD UP, WE GET TO A PROJECT, BUILD AND FINANCIALLY DO IT COULD ADVERTISING, SOMETHING I THINK BOTH GROUPS WILL WORK TOGETHER ON DOING. MAYBE COME UP WITH A BETTER PLAN. RIGHT NOW THEY ARE SEPARATED.
>> YES, SIR. APPRECIATE YOU. THE ONLY CHANCE WE HAVE TO TALK. FORGIVE ME FOR ASKING QUESTIONS OF FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I THINK TARA PUT TOGETHER A PAPER FOR ME. THE TDT PENNY GROWN BY SEVEN PERCENT. SINCE FISCAL YEAR 14.
REAFFIRM MY FAITH, I THINK WHEN YOU GUYS ARE DOING IS WORKING.
AGAIN LIKE TO SEE YOU GUYS GET 20 PERCENT OF THIS PENNY BUT AGAIN THE COMMISSIONER HAS CONCERNS, COMMISSIONER DEAN WILLING TO SUPPORT THE 40 PERCENT ALLOCATION TO CATEGORY 5. DO YOU THINK THAT WILL TAKE CARE?
>> RAISE SOME FINANCIAL ISSUES. AGAIN, LET ME SAY AGAIN WHAT YOU ALLUDED TO, WITH THAT SAID, THE BEACH FRUSTRATIONS AT A LATER DATE. I AM GOING TO BRING UP SEVERAL POINTS TO DISCUSS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND THE PROJECT. TO ANSWER, IF WE DO NOTHING
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TODAY, WALK AWAY FROM BEACH NOURISHMENT.>> ECHO WHAT THE COMMISSIONER SAID, I APPRECIATE, A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS. YOU KNOW I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, GOING TO BE HOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET IT DONE. IF WE DO NOTHING THEN WE ARE STUCK WITH THIS. A LOT OF TOURISTS COMING TO ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY. RATHER THEM PICK UP THE TAB
THAN OUR RESIDENTS. >> DO NOT KNOW THE EXACT FIGURE, APPROXIMATELY $7 MILLION IN RESERVES FOR THAT
PROJECT. >> RESPONSIBLE TO PUT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE BURDEN ON OUR TAXPAYERS.
WHEN WE HAVE VISITORS, EVERY OTHER PART OF THE STATE PICKS
UP THE TAB. >> THAT IS WHY I WANTED TO INCREASE THE LEISURE AND RECREATION, FACILITIES UPGRADED. THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE.
YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONERS ARE CORRECT.
A HIGHER LEVEL OF BURDEN AND TOURISM.
NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, ¦
>> WE DO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE CHALLENGES, GOING TO HAVE TO BE CREATIVE. ADDRESS THOSE AS WE GO.
WE NEED TO ADDRESS THESE PROBLEMS, WE HAVE TO.
ASSETS THAT WE ARE LOSING, AS THESE BEACHES A ROAD.
WE ALSO HAVE OTHER NEEDS, DESTINATION MARKETING.
ALL OF THESE ARE IMPORTANT IN THEIR OWN WAY, RIGHT NOW WE ARE GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF REVENUE IF WE LOSE A BEACH.
LET'S GO THERE REALLY QUICK. >> CONSIDERING CHANGES TO AMEND IN YOUR MOTION, CONSIDER A LEVEE DAY OCTOBER 1, WHICH I THINK THE BOARD HAS DISCUSSED, COINCIDES WITH THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1.
>> LET ME BRING UP ONE THING AS A POINT OF DISCUSSION.
WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
THE REASON FOR THAT. LIKE TO SEE MAYBE SOMETHING BUILT INTO THESE ORDINANCES GOING FORWARD WHERE MAYBE WE DO ANNUAL REVIEW OF HOW ÃTIMES WHERE ONE CATEGORY MAY BE A NEED, MAY NEED MORE SUPPORT FROM ANOTHER.
I WISH THERE WAS A WAY WHERE WE COULD BAKE INTO THIS, SOME DIRECTION TO LOOK AT THIS ONCE A YEAR, MAYBE EVERY TWO YEARS
FOR REVIEW. >> LANGUAGE INCLUDED IN SECTION 125. THE COUNSEL TO REVIEW YOUR PLAN, REGARDING CHANGES, RELOCATION OF FUNDS.
ACTUALLY BUILT INTO THE STATUTE.
>> PART OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE RATHER THAN THE ORDINANCE.
>> OKAY. AGAIN, ECONOMIC PICTURE CHANGES, IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE FLEXIBLE.
MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
>> SHALL I TAKE A SHOT AT A MOTION.
>> LIKE TO MOVE NUMBER 21. >> WE ARE AT 43.
>> IMPOSING ONE SENT DEVELOPMENT TAX.
OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES. THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WITH RESPECT TO THE ONE SENT ALLOCATION.
RECOMMEND IT BE 10 PERCENT CATEGORY 1, 10 PERCENT CATEGORY 2, 40 PERCENT CATEGORY 3, ZERO TO CATEGORY 4, 40 PERCENT TO CATEGORY 5. THE NEW ONE SEND, INCLUDE THE DATE OF OCTOBER 1
IN THAT MOTION. >> WITH THIS, SECOND.
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>> I WILL WITHDRAWAL MY ORIGINAL MOTION.
A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.
>> THAT PASSES 4-1. >> IF I MAY, APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO BRING UP BEACH RESTORATION ISSUES AS FAR AS THIS DISCUSSION. SOME DECISIONS WE NEED TO MAKE.
DIRECTION TO STAFF WITH RESPECT TO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY OR SOON TO START BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. ASKED BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO WEIGH IN ON WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS WITH RESPECT TO THE AREA, THE SUBJECT OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, AS LOCAL SPONSOR WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DISSIPATE IN. TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL.
LIKE TO HAVE SOME DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD, A MAJOR POLICY ISSUE. THAT WE NEED AS A BOARD TO TAKE UP. WITH THAT SAID, GIVEN THIS QUITE A BIT OF THOUGHT, OVER THE LAST MONTH, WITH THE DECISION WE JUST MADE, ALLOCATION OF THE NEW ONE SENT TAX, CATEGORY 5, 40 PERCENT OF THE ONE CENT INCREASE, WHAT I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT FOR THE LAST MONTH OR TWO, LOOKING AT THE MAPS AND TALKING TO STAFF, THE BEACHES IN THE BEACH FROM THE COUNTY LINE, SOUTH APPROXIMATELY THREE MILES, QUITE GOOD SHAPE.F YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL MAP OF THE COUNTY BEACHES, YOU WILL SEE FROM THE DUBOIS COUNTY LINE DOWN TO THE BEACH, THERE IS CRITICAL EROSION, SERIOUSLY CRITICAL EROSION. THREE MILES SOUTH OF THE COUNTY LINE, ROUGHLY AT A MARKER HALFWAY BETWEEN 16 AND 17.
SORT OF HALFWAY BETWEEN THE COUNTRY CLUB TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE NORTH. WORKING WITH A POT OF MONEY, WE HAVE RESOURCES. WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER DEMANDS, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THEM. I HAVE REACHED THE CONCLUSION, WE NEED TO PUT OUR MONEY WHERE WE CAN SOLVE THE MOST IMMDIATE PROBLEMS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM. WITH RESPECT TO BEACH RESTORATION. WHAT I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND TO YOU THIS AFTERNOON, MUST DIRECT STAFF TO SEND A LETTER TO THE CORE OF ENGINEERS INDICATING OUR PREFERENCE, WHICH WOULD BE THAT THE FEDERAL PROJECT WOULD START AT MILE MARKER 16, GO SOUTH. IN OTHER WORDS NOT RECOMMEND THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, INCLUDE THREE MILES TO THE NORTH, TO THE COUNTY LINE BECAUSE THAT REALLY IS A VERY GOOD HEALTHY BEACH AT THE MOMENT. THINGS MAY CHANGE IN THE FUTURE FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS. THE POINT IS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY, OF TIME TO GET THAT CRITICAL AREA RESTORED.
THAT IS MY NUMBER ONE GOAL TO GET THAT CRITICALLY ERODED BEACH FROM ROUGHLY SAW GRASS DOWN TO PRESERVE, GET THAT RESTORED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE UNDER THE OLSON PLAN.
OKAY. SO EARLY GOING TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE FIRST IS THAT OUR LETTER TO THE CORE RECOMMEND WE HAVE A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT BASICALLY DELETES THE NORTHERN THREE MILES OF THE BEACHES.
FROM MILE MARKER 16 TO THE DUVAL COUNTY LINE.
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EVERYBODY WITH ME ON THAT? THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE PROCEED, WITH THE OLSON RECOMMENDATION, THE STATE LOCAL IMMEDIATE ONE-TIME ADMINISTRATION, LIMITED TO THE SAME FOOTPRINT FROM THE MILE MARKER 16 S. DOWN TO THE RIVER PRESERVE BOUNDARY. JUST BY DOING THAT ALONE, WITH OLSON REPORT RECOMMENDATION, ONE-TIME RESTORATION, THE COST OF THAT PROJECT ROUGHLY 40 MILLION, THREE 2 MILLION.7 MILLION BETWEEN THE STATE AND THE COUNTY, WE NEED TO WORK ON A GOING FORWARD, WE JUST HAD THE INCREASE IN THE TAX, LOOK AT WHAT COULD BE IN FOR PRINT FOR THAT PROJECT IF WE DO THAT, LIMIT THE NORTHERN THREE MILES. WE NEED THIS, ALMOST LIKE TRIAGE. ACROSS A MAJOR ACCIDENT ON I-95, WHO IS BLEEDING TO DEATH WOULD CRITICALLY ERODED BEACH, TALKING ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS.
WE NEED TO MOVE TO THE BEACH RESTORED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
TWO THINGS, LIQUIDATION THAT WE WOULD MAKE THE STAFF TO RECOMMEND WE DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AS I DESCRIBED, ROUGHLY MARKER 16. ABOUT THREE MILES SOUTH OF THE COUNTY LINE. WE GO FORWARD, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH THE ONE-TIME RESTORATION THAT LIMITS THE PROJECT. THAT IS MY THOUGHT, I NOTE THAT MAY BE, WE CANNOT TALK BETWEEN MEETINGS.
ON THE ONE HAND I MAY APOLOGIZE BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR. HERE WE ARE, THAT IS WHAT I'VE GOT ON THE TABLE. T YOU WOULD ADD THAT HE MAY BE SKIPPED OVER? I DISCUSSED IT WITH JOY BUT
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR THE RECOMMENDATION FOR POTENTIAL DIRECTION. ONE MORE THING, DISCUSSED, SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD. POLICY DECISION FROM THE BOARD.
THERE WAS A LETTER COMING, JULY 15, 21.
ADDRESSED TO CHAIRMAN, MYSELF, RECOMMENDATION ON THE OPPOSITION FOR INCREASED OR PARKING, PARKING LOTS OR ANY SHUTTLE TYPE OF SERVICES. SO WE ARE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION OBVIOUSLY ACCORDING TO THIS LETTER.
BUT I WANTED TO SHARE THIS WITH ALL FOUR MEMBERS, DIRECTION THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE. COMPONENTS OF THE ARMY CORE OF ENGINEERS. REQUIREMENTS THEY MAY HAVE TO REQUEST THE COUNTY TO MAKE A COMMITMENT, WHETHER OR NOT ANY SECTION OF THE STUDY DOES HAVE INTEREST.
RELATES TO THE COST OF THE PROJECT.
>> THANK YOU. >> I THINK MOST OF US AWARE OF THAT ISSUE. AT LEAST WE DO HAVE THE PARKING LOT AVAILABLE. SO YOU KNOW CONTINUE TO LOOK TO OTHER ACCESS POINTS, RIGHT NOW MY CONCERN IS TO GET THE PROJECT STARTED. ACTUALLY START DREDGING OFFSHORE SAND, MOVING AHEAD. AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
>> LET'S GO TO SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
>> A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS.
NUMBER ONE, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE TIED UP FOR THE STUDY?
THE FEASIBILITY STUDY? >> THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
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1.5. SUPPOSED TO BE MATCH, 3 MILLIONTOTAL. >> CORRECT, YES.>> MY MIND WENT BACK TO THIS. THE FOOTPRINT, DOES NOT IMPROVE THE PROBABILITY OF HAVING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC ACCESS. DOES THAT IMPROVE THE
PROBABILITY?>> DOESN'T IMPROVE THE PROBABILITY BEEN
LOOKING AT THE ACCESS POINTS. >> THAT IS FINE.
BASICALLY LOOKS AT THE ACCESS POINT, DISTANCE POINTS BETWEEN THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THAT ACCESS POINT.
NOT LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL. THE PLACES THAT HAVE ACCESS.
>> THAT IS HELPFUL FOR ME. NEARING IT DOWN, MORE AXIS DOWN IN THAT PARTICULAR VICINITY ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO THAT.
I APPRECIATE THE ANSWER, VERY HELPFUL.
>> YES, SIR. >> SPONTANEOUS TODAY.
>> A QUICK QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, THE OLSON STUDY, DON'T BELIEVE WE WOULD GET AN ARMY CORE
PROJECT. >> COMPLICATED ANSWER.
THEY SAID THAT BASED ON THE ACCESS POINTS, DIFFICULT TO GET THE ARMY CORE PROJECT IN THE SIZE THAT WE WANT.
THE OLSON PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MORE DESIGNED BY THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY IS THE ONE THAT IS DRIVING THAT TRAIN. MORE FLEXIBILITY IN HOW THAT PROJECT IS BUILT. THE ARMY CORE HAS STRICT GUIDELINES. BASING IT ON THE RESTRICTIONS THAT THE ARMY CORPS HAS, THAT IS WHAT THE ARMY CORE IS GOING
ANYWAY THE PROJECT COULD BE REIMBURSED?
ARMY CORE PROJECT. >> NO, SIR.
>> SOMETHING SEPARATE. OUR PROJECT, MOVING FORWARD.
IN THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD. >> NO GUARANTEE WITH THE ARMY CORPS IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO WRITE US, THE COUNTY PROJECT WE ARE DESIGNING NOW, THAT WE HAVE AGAIN, THE ABILITY TO DESIGN AND MOVE FORWARD ON HOW WE WANT THAT PROJECT TO LOOK.
>> THANK YOU. >> SO COMMISSIONER, CAN WE KIND OF ÃLOOKING AT DIRECTING STAFF TO ÃIN OUR LETTER TO ADDRESS UP TO THE THREE MILES SOUTH OF THE COUNTY LINE.
THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT BELOW THAT.
>> FEASIBILITY STUDY, RECOMMENDING WITH THE START THAT RANGE MARKER RANGE MARKER 16 1/2, TO THE BOUNDARY OF THE RIVER PRESERVE. INCLUDE THAT AREA.
I DON'T WANT TO FORGET THAT, A KEY PART THAT WE NEED BE THE AREA THAT WAS REALLY REALLY SUFFERED DURING MATH EVEN WE MATCHED IT, THAT PROJECT HAS YET TO GO FORWARD.
WE WANT THAT INCLUDED, THE HOMEOWNERS WANT THAT INCLUDED
IN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. >> I UNDERSTAND.
JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, ONE A SECOND.
PUBLIC MEETINGS ON THIS, THE ARMY CORE SPONSOR.
CONSISTENT WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT THE COUNTY STAFF IS
>> OKAY. SO DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?ITH
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THE LETTER. >> HAS COME A IT DOES.
>> CONSENSUS ON THAT? IS THERE CONSENSUS?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO DO THAT.
ESPECIALLY WHEN I DON'T HAVE TIME TO PREPARE.
I HEARD THE SIZE, NOT REDUCTION OF THE SCOPE OF THIS STUDY, AMENDMENT OF THE STUDY. IS THAT ACCURATE?
>> I BASICALLY FORGOT. >> THAT IS CRITICAL.
THIS MAY END UP IN SAVINGS OF MONEY.
FROM THE COUNTY LINE, MOVING AND SELL.
>> I DON'T MIND AMENDING THE REQUEST FOR THE STUDY, TO ME I WAS THINKING THIS WAS GOING TO GET READY TO GET SMALLER.
THANK YOU. >> STAFF REQUESTED THAT BE ADDED, FEASIBILITY STUDY, COULD END UP SAYING.
>> UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE.
I APPRECIATE THAT. I MISSED THAT SOMEHOW IT DID
NOT LOG. >> A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.
A LOT GOING ON, A LOT OF MOVING FORWARD IMPORTANT FOR US TO GIVE CLARITY TO STAFF. SEE IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS.
DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? LET'S GO TO LEGAL.
>> SUGGEST MAYBE YOU PUT THIS TO A MOTION SO YOU ARE CLEAR ON THE PARAMETERS OF THE DIRECTION.
>> A COUPLE PIECES. >> REQUESTING BY THE END OF
THIS MONTH. >> I UNDERSTAND DID OTHER THINGS TOO AS WELL. LET'S ADDRESS THIS SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS. CAN YOU ATTEMPT TO RESTATE THAT
AS MOTION? >> I CAN MAKE IT SIMPLE.
SIMPLE REQUEST, OFFER A MOTION, TO STAFF A LETTER TO THE COURT, THE DIRECTIONS THAT YOU PROVIDED IN THIS MEETING FOR
SUBMISSION WHICH MODIFIES. >> SO I MOVED.
>> A MOTION, SECOND. >> SIGNED BY THE CHAIRMAN.
>> DIRECTION CLEAR: OKAY. >> ALREADY MOTION.
A LETTER TO THE ARMY CORPS. PASSES 5-0.
OKAY. GOING BACK, ANOTHER PART OF THAT. WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON THAT AS WELL. GOING FORWARD, THE VOTE TODAY ON THE TAX TO DIRECT STAFF TO START LOOKING AT BRINGING BEFORE THE BOARD THE NEXT STEPS, THE LOCAL PROJECT.
IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, THE COUNTY PROJECT, CURRENTLY MOVING FORWARD, FOR THE OFFSHORE DREDGING.
>> YOU ARE CORRECT. WAITING FOR THE ARMY CORPS
PERMITS RIGHT NOW.>> WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, THE STATE COUNTY JOINT PROJECT, GO FORWARD BUT ALSO, AS I DID WITH THE STUDY, ILLUMINATE THE AREA NORTH OF MARKER 16.5, JUST DO THAT AREA STARTING AT 16.5 AT 16.5 S. DOWN TO THE RIVER
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PRESERVE. THAT AREA WE DISCUSSED.THAT ONE-TIME PROJECT, 20 MILLION IS STILL MOVING FORWARD IT IS JUST SLOW. THE REPORT PROJECT FROM MILE MARKER 16.5 S. DOWN TO THE RIVER PRESERVE BOUNDARY.
>> YES, SIR. >> IF THIS GOES FORWARD, ILLUMINATE THE NORTHERN THREE MILES MORE OR LESS.
>> UNDERSTOOD. LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH.
>> WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE PERMITTING? WHAT IS YOUR TIMEFRAME FOR IT? MOVING FORWARD IF THAT IS NOT
APPROVED. >> THE PERMIT THE NEXT 30 OR 60 DAYS. THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, OFFSHORE AGREEMENT, THAT WAS PASSED, THE LAST STEP IN THE PROCESS. SO GOING THROUGH THAT FINAL STAGE, THE PERMITS FOR THAT PROJECT RELATIVELY SHORTLY.
THE DESIGN IS WITH OLSON, ONCE THAT IS COMPLETED WE WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR THE NEXT STEP WHICH IS FINANCING AND ALLOWING US TO EXECUTE THAT PROJECT.
>> SO TO HAVE STAFF MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
>> ALL I'M ASKING FOR, DIRECT STAFF TO REDUCE THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT BY ROUGHLY 3 MILES.
NOTHING ELSE. >> ALSO COME WITH A PRICE TAG
THEY CAN PRESENT TO THIS BOARD. >> AT LEAST $8 MILLION.
>> I LIKE REDUCTIONS LIKE THAT NONETHELESS.
THANK YOU. >> WHILE 30 OR 60 DAYS,
CORRECT? >> SOMETIME IN THE FALL HAVING STAFF COME BACK WITH FINANCING, WITH WHERE WE ARE AT.
>> THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE CONSIDERATION.
>> WE NEED TO PUT THAT INTO MOTION AS WELL?
>> COME BACK FOR APPROVAL. >> AS FAR AS REDUCING THE
SCOPE. >> CONSENSUS TO REDUCE THE SCOPE? HOPEFULLY LEAD TO REDUCTION.
FOCUS THE PROJECT. >> UNDERSTOOD, YES, SIR.
>> THANK YOU. >> DISCUSSION ON THIS? OKAY. BEFORE WE MOVE ON, ITEM 10, TO THAT INDIVIDUAL SHOW UP? THE APPLICANT.
>> I HAVE HEARD, EITHER THE APPLICANT IS OUT OF TOWN AND HIS FATHER WAS GOING TO SHOW UP, THE AUGUST 3 MEETING.
>> VERY PACKED AGENDA, THIS ITEM WAS REQUESTED.
WE ALLOWED IT TO BE ON HERE SO WE COULD HEAR IT.
[13. Proposed Homeless Veterans Housing Assistance Program.]
NOT INCLINED TO DISCONTINUE IT. >> CAN WE HAVE STAFF PRESENT?
>> I KNOW THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE PLAN, I WILL CHECK WITH
THEM TO SEE IF HE CAN PRESENT. >> MOVE THIS TO THE VERY END OF THE AGENDA. OTHER PEOPLE WAITING ON OTHER ITEMS. MOVED TO ITEM NUMBER 13.
THANK YOU FOR WAITING. >> IT HAS BEEN ENJOYABLE HASN'T
IT? >> THE SERVICE OFFICER FOR ST.
JOHNS COUNTY. SEBASTIAN VIEW, SEBASTIAN VIEW, SUITE 1400. TO BRIEF YOU TODAY ON THE HOMELESS VETERANS HOUSING PROGRAM.
I HAVE WORKED CLOSELY, JOANNE, BRADLEY, ON THIS ISSUE.
AT THE JUNE 1 21 MEETING, STAFF TO RESEARCH HOMELESS VETERANS
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HOUSING IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, TO ADDRESS THE FUNDING.THE PROGRAM PROVIDE TEMPORARY HOUSING ASSISTANCE FOR RENT AND UTILITY TO HOMELESS VETERANS. BASED ON ESTABLISHED POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. I DON'T HAVE THESE ON THAT SLIDE, LIKE TO MENTION SOME OF THE PROGRAM ELIGIBILITY.
CONSISTS OF VERIFICATION OF THE RESIDENCE.
INCOME CRITERIA. ASSISTANCE, CASE MANAGEMENT.
APPLICATION PROCESS INCLUDE ELIGIBILITY INTERVIEW.
RESPONSIBILITIES. PROCESS, ELIGIBILITY DISCLAIMER. STANDARDS FOR ASSISTANCE.
DURING THE ASSISTANCE, TO ACHIEVE HOUSING.
38 HOMELESS VETERANS IN OUR COUNTY AS OF JANUARY 21.
WE CAME UP WITH, 1000, EACH HOUSEHOLD.
REQUESTS REVALIDATED BY THE BOARD ANNUALLY.
THE VETERAN SERVICE OFFICE WOULD IMPLEMENT AND OPERATE THE PROGRAM. ONE ADDITIONAL FULL-TIME SERVICE OFFICER IS REQUESTED FOR THIS PROGRAM.
AGAIN, FUNDING COST, LIKE THE PROGRAM TO START WITH ADDITIONAL, IN THE VETERANS SERVICE OFFICE.
TO OFFSET THE COST, VETERANS COUNCIL OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
AND RESOURCE IN THE COMMUNITY TO ASSIST WITH THIS PROGRAM.
THE REASON FOR ASKING FOR THE VETERAN SERVICE OFFICER IS BECAUSE WE HAVE 38 HOMELESS VETERANS.
NOT QUITE SURE WE WILL SEE ALL 38, SOME WILL QUALIFY FOR THE PROGRAM, SOME WILL NOT QUALIFY FOR THE PROGRAM.
SOME WILL NOT ACCEPT THE PROGRAM.
SO INTENT TO USE THAT SERVICE OFFICER AS A CASE MANAGER, OKAY FOR THE PRIMARY PROGRAM BUT ALSO INTEND TO USE TO ASSIST US ALSO WITH PREPARING CLAIMS FOR OUR VETERANS.
SO QUITE SURE WITH THAT, ENOUGH WORK WHEN HE'S NOT SEEING ONE OF THESE 38 INDIVIDUALS. THAT IS MY PRESENTATION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME? ATTEMPT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ALSO ASSISTS ME AS NECESSARY. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH FIRST.
>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
PRELIMINARY ON ASKING, A DIFFERENT REQUEST IN REGARD TO THE QUESTION. IN REGARD TO THE AFFAIRS PROGRAM, THE GRANT PER DM. THE WEBSITE, NONPROFITS RECEIVED CAPITAL GRANTS PAYMENTS TO DEVELOP HOUSING, SERVICE CENTERS. MY QUESTION IS THIS, MIGHT BE BETTER, SOMEBODY FROM ADMINISTRATION.
ELIGIBLE FOR THIS PARTICULAR FUNDING, ADDRESS.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. SO AT THIS POINT, I HAVE A
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MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPERS TOMORROW TO DISCUSS WHAT TYPE OF CASE MANAGEMENT THEY HAVE. MY RECOLLECTION, INFORMATION YOU ARE REFERRING TO, TUCKING ABOUT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING 24 MONTHS, WITH CASE MANAGEMENT ON HIS SIDE.WRAP AROUND SERVICES. I DON'T BELIEVE AT THIS TIME AGAIN I NEED TO CLARIFY WITH THE DEVELOPERS, DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IS THE TYPE OF PROGRAM THEY'RE PLANNING TO OPERATE AT EITHER ONE OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
>> IF THERE WAS AN ADAPTATION TO THEIR ADDRESS, THEIR PROTOCOL OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS, COULD BE SOME
QUALIFICATION. >> I HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT.
IT WAS A LOT OF WRAPAROUND SERVICES.
CASE MANAGEMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COMPANY WAS CONTEMPLATING WHEN THEY PROPOSED THE DEVELOPMENT.
>> IF YOU CAN STAY THERE, ANOTHER QUESTION.
I READ THIS ON THE WEBSITE, IT SAYS THIS, I WANT TO READ IT FOR ALL OF OUR BENEFIT, HOMELESSNESS AMONG VETERANS, EFFECTIVELY CUT BY ALMOST 70 PERCENT SINCE 2010, EVEN THE GROWING POPULATION. DECREASE IN THE RATE OF HOMELESSNESS AMONG VETERANS, IN FLORIDA.
MILLION DOLLARS INVESTED FOR VETERANS GRANTS, VA SUPPORTIVE HOUSING OR WHAT THEY CALL VA SH.
VOUCHERS THAT PROVIDE LONG-TERM ASSISTANCE TO HELP HOMELESS VETERANS WITH HIGH NEEDS OBTAIN HOUSING.
2004 AND 72 HOMELESS VETERANS. THE SOURCE OF THIS COUNCIL ON HOMELESSNESS, REPORTED RECOLLECT OR DATA IN REGARD TO OUR COUNTS IN REGARDS VETERANS FROM 10, 20.
>> THE CARE HAS BEEN WORKING VERY FOCUSED WITH BUILD FOR ZERO WITH A PROJECT TO END VETERANS HOMELESSNESS, I BELIEVE IT WAS BY MARCH OF THIS YEAR BUT I THINK NOW BEEN PUSHED BACK TO DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, VERY FOCUSED ON THIS
LOCALLY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE CAN DESERVE SOME.
IN MY RESEARCH, A LOT OF PROGRAMS OUT THERE.
I HAVE FIVE HERE THROUGH THE VA THEMSELVES.
HOUSING FOR PROVIDERS GRANTS, PER DM PROGRAM.
SERVICES FOR FAMILIES, DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING.
URBAN DEVELOPMENT SUPPORT HOUSING.
I WANT TO SAY THIS, I HOPE THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING, THE PROGRAMS EXPLAINED, PROMOTED AND EXHAUSTED BEFORE WE COMMIT ANY MORE DOLLARS TO A BUREAUCRACY. I DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE SERVICES JUST BECAUSE THIS IS THE ABILITY TO DO SO.
IMPRESSIVE THAT NUMBERS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT SO RADICALLY, VERY SENSITIVE TO WHAT THE DATA SHOWS HERE AS WELL BE HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THIS, BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DO NOT MIND SPENDING THE MONEY.
IF I'M ACCURATE, $75,000. THAT IS WHERE MY RESERVATION
WOULD COME TO PLAY. >> COMMISSIONER NEXT.
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>> TALK ABOUT THE OTHER GROUPS OF SERVICES, WE PAY A LOT OF DIFFERENT GROUPS, TO HAVE THOSE INCORPORATED IN THIS PROGRAM.
>> NOT REALLY AN AGENCY WITH CAPACITY OFFERING HOMELESS CASE MANAGEMENT. WE HAVE ST. FRANCIS, STRAIGHT OUTREACH. CATHOLIC CHARITIES HAS ONE STAFF PERSON BUT YOU HAVE LIKE A STRONG CASE MANAGEMENT HOMELESS FOCUS, THERE ISN'T REALLY AN AGENCY IN TOWN THAT IS DOING THAT. DEFINITELY A SERVICE.
>> A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH MENTAL PROBLEMS, ALCOHOL.
YOU KNOW I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH, I AM FINE IF THERE IS INDEED GIVEN. I DON'T LIKE SPENDING.
ACTUALLY MORBID 75,000 SALARY. PRETTY HIGH TO DO THAT, IN MY OPINION. ON YOUR BOAT FOR A LOT OF CHARITIES. TRY TO KEEP THAT DOWN.
>> THANK YOU. TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR THE FTE? CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ABOUT THE NEED TO ADDRESS THE HOMELESS VETERAN SITUATION IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR THE FTE FOR THE MONEY OR TO FILL OTHER NEEDS.
>> A LOT DIFFERENT. NOT IN OUR REALM, WE COULD HANDLE THAT AS FAR AS CASE MANAGEMENT.
ALL OF THE STANDARDS AS REQUIRED TO COME UP WITH THIS PROGRAM FOR THEM, SUSTAIN. BE SELF-SUFFICIENT.
RIGHT NOW IN THE OFFICE YOU KNOW MYSELF, MYSELF AND MY TWO OTHER SERVICE OFFICERS. PROBABLY SEEING 18 OR 20 CLIENTS A DAY. EVERY DAY.
OUR CLIENT LOAD 50 OR MORE NEW FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
NEW CLIENTS COMING IN. IT MAKES IT HARD OKAY FOR US TO ACTUALLY DO THE JOB OKAY, TO THIS CASE MANAGEMENT, THEN WORK THESE OTHER VETERANS IN COPING WITH THE WORKLOAD THAT WE HAVE, THE ONLY REASON WE WERE ASKING FOR THIS FULL-TIME POSITION.
I AM NOT QUITE SURE, 18 GRADE FOR THIS POSITION.
>> I THINK SO. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR
>> I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR YEARS, TRY TO SEEK FUNDS THROUGH GRANTS OR OTHER AGENCIES?
>> NOT IN OUR OFFICE. >> THE PRIVILEGE OF A COUPLE YEARS AGO TIMING, COMING TO THE STAND.
>> AVERAGE 35, THE PASTURE ABOUT 35.
ACTUALLY BEEN COUNTED AS VETERANS.
VA IS THE FIRST ONES THAT MEET WITH THEM TO VERIFY THEY ARE A VETERAN. THAT THEY ARE ELIGIBLE.
WITH THAT, WE SERVICE OUR VETERANS FIRST, THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE HOMELESS.
THEY COME TO OUR STAND, WE DON'T TURN THOSE PEOPLE AWAY.
WE CANNOT GIVE THEM SURPLUS, EVERYTHING ELSE.
THAT OUR VETERANS RECEIVING WE DON'T TURN THEM AWAY.
>> OKAY. I KNOW THIS, ADULT FRIVOLOUS
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WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS BE INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE WE TAKE CARE OF OUR VETERANS. A PASSION FOR YOU, A MISSION THAT YOU GUYS ARE ON. HELP YOU ANYWAY I CAN.>> THANK YOU. I HAVE SOME COMMENTS BUT I WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE GO THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENTS.
>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 13, PUBLIC COMMENT.
BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. >> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED.
RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR RESIDENTS, WE SPEND THEM ON THE BEST THINGS. HAVING SAID THAT, THE THING IS, I KNOW ABOUT HOMELESSNESS. EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD THAT HAS BEEN TOUCHED BY THE MILITARY. A LOT OF THESE VETERANS HOMELESS, OF THE VIETNAM GENERATION.
OUR COUNTRY DRAFTED THEM, SENT THEM ACROSS THE GLOBE TO VIETNAM, MANY OF THEM PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE FOUGHT OTHERWISE.
A LOT OF THESE YOUNG MEN AND WOMAN, DEALING WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT. IT IS UNFORTUNATE.
A LOT OF PTSD, ECONOMIC ISSUES THAT HAVE IMPACTED THEM.
ABUSE AND USE THESE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN, NOW THEY'RE STUCK WITH THIS PROBLEM. NOT GOING TO FIX THAT IN D.C.
GOVERNMENT, SOMETIMES ABILITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
WE COULD HELP SOME OF THESE MEN AND WOMEN, I AM NOT GOING TO GET IN DEAL, I HAVE BEEN TOUCHED BY THIS.
I SEE THE SECOND CHANCES, A LOT OF THESE YOUNG FORMALLY YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
THAT IS WHY I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
WE HAVE PUT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS POSITION, BENEFITED FROM THAT FROM THEIR SERVICE, I DO THINK WE HAVE OBLIGATION TO HELP, DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN SOLVE EVERY PROBLEM.
I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE MORE AGILE TO HOW WE ARE ADDRESSING THE SPEED COMMISSIONER SMITH HAS BROUGHT UP SEVERAL PROGRAMS. APPROVED TODAY, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, OUR STAFF, FIND WAYS TO INCORPORATE AND PUT IN A REQUEST FOR THAT ASSISTANCE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESSES.INCORPORATE THAT INTO THESE EFFORTS, DOES THAT
>> I THINK WE NEED, I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSIONER POINTING THIS OUT. THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT.
INCORPORATE THAT IN, DO YOU SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT?
>> NO, I DON'T COMMISSIONER'S. >> MAKE A MOTION.
>> THE BUDGET FOR THE SERVICES OFFICE, PURPOSE OF HOMELESS VETERANS, HOUSING ASSISTANCE AND FUNDING TO MINISTER THE
>> A MOTION BY THE COMMISSIONER.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER SMITH.
>> TOO BIG OF A JUMP TOO QUICKLY FOR ME, I WILL NOT BE
SUPPORTIVE. >> I AGREE WITH THAT TOO.
[14. Consider an appointment to the Planning & Zoning Agency (PZA).]
MORE MONEY, FOR THE VETERANS RIGHT NOW WOULD BE GOOD.NOT WHAT I FEEL IS RIGHT RIGHT NOW.
>> A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.
>> THANK YOU. WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOUR
SUPPORT.>> NUMBER 14. GO AHEAD.
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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. APPOINTMENT, CURRENTLY A SEAT, THE EXPIRED TERM. ADVERTISED FROM APRIL 22, THROUGH MAY 22 OF THIS YEAR. 10 APPLICATIONS IN THE PACKET, I DO WANT TO MENTION, A DISTRICT EXECUTIVE, DO NOT HAVE A DISTRICT 2 OR FIVE REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS BOARD CURRENTLY. ANY QUESTIONS I AM HAPPY TO
ANSWER THEM. >> ANY BOARD QUESTIONS, BACK TO THE BOARD. I WAS PREPARED TO MAKE A
MOTION. >> WE ARE GOING TO SEE.
>> I WANT TO SEE WHAT COMMISSIONER SMITH HAD TO SAY.
>> MOVE TO APPOINT THE AGENCY FOR A FULL FOUR YEAR TERM,
EXPIRED JULY 20, 25. >> SECOND.
>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> A SECOND.
DISCUSSION? >> I HAVE A COMMENT.
APPRECIATE THAT, SOME WONDERFUL APPLICANTS HERE.
POWERFUL APPLICANTS. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME REPRESENTATION FEED DISTRICT 2 I WILL BE SUPPORTIVE, THANK
[15. Consider appointments to the Arts, Culture, Heritage Funding Panel.]
ANY FURTHER COMMENT FROM THE BOARD?
>> ADVERTISED THE VACANCIES. WE WILL NOTE THAT GOING
FORWARD. >> SEVEN VACANCIES ON THIS BOARD. REQUIRED TO BE MEMBERS OF THE SIDE OF THE COUNTY. ADVERTISED FOR FOUR WEEK SPAN, OUT OF COUNTY. I DO WANT TO NOTE DUE TO THE TIME CONSTRAINT, NOT REQUESTED. SO ALSO, IN EMOTION THERE IS A MOTION TO SUSPEND, REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS.
THEN IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT, MAKE THE APPOINTMENTS, REINSTATE THAT MOTION FOLLOWING THAT.
I WILL NOTE, ONE OF THE ALTERNATES WOULD BE ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS. ONE WOULD NEED TO BE AN
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER FIRST.
>> A QUESTION. WHY DOES THIS HAVE TO HAVE OUT-OF-TOWN, OUT OF COUNTY RESIDENTS.
>> THE RULES THAT CAME ALONG WITH THE GRANT.
AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS, PROPOSED BY THE COUNCIL.
WE PROVED THOSE RULES. ONE OF THE THINGS INCLUDED IN THE RULES. SOMETIMES PROVISIONS LIKE THAT
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AS WELL. DIVERSIFY SOME OF THE MEMBERSHIP, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON REVIEWING THEAPPLICATIONS. >> A LOT OF TALENTED PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY. SUSPEND THAT ONE, HAVE THE
ALTERNATE BE A REGULAR MEMBER. >> LOOK AT THE MEMBERSHIP.
WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF MEMBERS SUCH AS YOUR BOARD HERE, DO NOT WANT TO AVOID ANY TIE VOTES SUCH AS THAT. I AM HAPPY TO GET WITH THE OFFICE, REVISIT THE RESOLUTION THAT CONSTRUCTS THE BOARD.
>> OKAY. I WILL SAY AS AN ALTERNATE, NOT SURE OF THE RULING. WITH NO OUT-OF-TOWN PEOPLE, BE
VOTING ANYWAY? >> TO MODIFY THAT, MODIFY THE RESOLUTION AND BRING IT BACK. YOU CAN MAKE A PARTIAL APPOINTMENT. COME BACK WITH THE AMENDMENT.
FULLY FUND, FULLY STAFF THE PANEL.
>> IMPORTANT PANEL. >> YOU CAN MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TODAY. ALONG WITH THE REMAINING
APPOINTMENTS. >> GOING TO MEET SHORTLY.
GOING TO BE MEETING IN AUGUST. >> YES, ONE IS THE DATE IN
AUGUST? >> AFTER NEXT BOARD MEETING?
>> I DID NOT NOTED IN MY PAPERWORK HERE.
ALMOST CERTAIN I HAVE IT ON THIS AGENDA.
IT MAY BE THE MEETING IS AFTER THAT, WILL NEED TO GET WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS TO GO OVER THINGS TO PREPARE THEM TO EVEN
FUNCTION AT THAT MEETING. >> IN THE EVENT THAT THAT BOARD IS GOING TO MEET FOLLOWING, NEXT BOARD MEETING IS AUGUST 3, IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING TOGETHER THAT AGENDA, WE CAN WORK WITH THEM TO EXPEDITE PUTTING TOGETHER THE CHANGES TO THE RESOLUTION. TO PREPARE FOR THE AUGUST 3
MEETING. >> ONE IS THE MEETING IN
AUGUST? >> SCHEDULED FOR, FLEXIBLE.
FOR THE 23RD. >> WE HAVE TIME TO BRING THIS BACK IN AUGUST, WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD?
>> LET'S GO AHEAD AND DEAL WITH IT.
HANDLE BUSINESS. >> OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 15.
NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED,
IS THERE A MOTION? >> I DON'T MIND MAKING THE MOTION. TWO REAPPOINTMENTS HERE THAT CAN BE MADE, MOTION READS THAT ONE OF THOSE REAPPOINTMENTS BE FOR THE ALTERNATE MEMBER. I WILL DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT HERE, REARRANGE IT A BIT. MOTION TO SUSPEND MADE FOR ANY
>> A MOTION BY SMITH, SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.
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MOTION TO REAPPOINT GINA, TO THE ARTS AND CULTURAL FUNDING PANEL FOR A TWO YEAR TERM, SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE JULY 15, A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?PLEASE VOTE. >> ALSO MS. STACY IS ON THE BOARD, I DON'T THINK SHE SERVED AS AN ALTERNATE.
TO REAPPOINT STACY. EXPIRE JULY 15, 23.
RESIDING IN SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY.
>> PLEASE VOTE. >> IT PASSES 5-0.
>> MOTION TO APPOINT SUMMER HAMPTON TO THE ARTS FUNDING PANEL FOR A TWO YEAR TERM, EXPIRE JULY 15, 23.
>> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. >> IF YOU DO WE ORGANIZE THINGS, RECOMMEND THIS NEXT APPOINTEE BE PUT ON AS REGULAR MEMBER. MOTION DEW APPOINT, TWO YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE JULY 15, 23, ALTERNATE MEMBER
RESIDING IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. >> SECOND.
>> A MOTION, A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? PLEASE VOTE.
>> PASSES 5-0. MOTION TO REINSTATE.
SECOND. >> A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? PLEASE VOTE THANK YOU
[10. Public Hearing * CPA(SS) 2021-05 11280 US 1 North.]
COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> CAN I CLARIFY? DO YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT AUGUST 3 OR FURTHER GOING FORWARD TO TRY TO BRING THAT RESOLUTION BACK TO YOU?
>> LET'S LOOK AT AUGUST 3. >> OKAY.
THANK YOU. >> INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE SOMEONE? >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
NUMBER 10 FOR YOU, THE APPLICANT WAS UNABLE TO MAKE IT TO DAY. REQUEST FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, 2.13 ACRES OF LAND TO INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL. LOOKING TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY FOR AUTOMOTIVE CENTER, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.
CURRENTLY LIMITED, UNDER THAT DESIGNATION.
INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE PLAN, ALLOW THE PROPOSED AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE AND REPAIR USE, REQUEST WAS REVIEWED, RECEIVED A DECISION 7-0. OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
U.S. 1, NORTH. THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND-USE DESTINATION, THE FUTURE LAND-USE DESTINATION.
CURRENT ZONING, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.
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ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? >> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING. I AM SURE THE APPLICANT IS VERY GRATEFUL AS WELL. VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
EVERYBODY IS PREPARED, I LIKE BEING PREPARED.
VERY GRATEFUL, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?
OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 10.
BACK TO THE BOARD. >> IS THERE MOTION?
>> REQUEST TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, 2.13 ACRES OF LAND. U.S. ONE NORTH, INTENSIVE
[Public Comment]
COMMERCIAL BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED INA MOTION, A SECOND FROM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? PLEASE VOTE.
>> THAT PASSES 5-0. MOVE INTO GENERAL PUBLIC
COMMENT. >> GOING TO HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. RECOMMEND WE STILL READ THE CAVEAT BEFORE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? STILL PART OF THE DRILL? THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS.
THREE MINUTES, COMPLY WITH THE RULES.
I TRUST TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE, NOT THROUGH ANY COMMISSIONER. NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL, SLANDEROUS REMARKS.
OR WITH BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR. MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE DEMONSTRATION OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL, ANY SPEAKER THAT PREVENTS MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF COURT TO MY RIGHT TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD. THREE MINUTES ON THE CLOCK.
PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW OPEN, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT? GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ALYSSA FISHER.
I HAVE COME BEFORE YOU ALL A MONTH AGO ABOUT ISSUES IN MY COMMUNITY. THESE ARE THE PICTURES.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF MY OWN, IT IS HARD TO SEE.
TO THE RIGHT IS MY NEIGHBOR. MORE THAN SIX FEET INTO MY PROPERTY AND INTO MY GARAGE ALL THE WAY DOWN MY DRIVEWAY.
NORMAL ROAD, WITHOUT ANY DRAINAGE.
TO THE MIDDLE OF THE ROPE. NO WATER ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD WHATSOEVER. ASKING OUR COMMUNITY FOR HELP TO NO AVAIL. ANOTHER VIEW, SEE THOSE SANDBAGS ARE MINE THAT I HAVE HAD TO PLACE DOWN, ALL OF THAT WATER CROSS THE ENTIRE ROAD WOULD COME DOWN INTO MY HOUSE AND GARAGE. GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME, JUST ASKING FOR DEADLINES. DISCUSSED WITH MR. MCCORMICK.
WHEN HE WAS HERE LAST TIME SO ASKING IF WE COULD GO FORWARD, A PICTURE OF THE WATER AND SOME OF THE WATER.
IN MY GARAGE. I KNOW IT IS HARD TO SEE.
A BIGGER PICTURE THAT I HAD FROM LAST TIME.
THIS WAS A MEASURING STICK, THAT IS MY DRIVEWAY.
ALL THOSE IN THE GARAGE. I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION AND HELP, ANY HELP THAT YOU ALL CAN GIVE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> DO WE HAVE UPDATES ON THIS?
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ONGOING ISSUE, DO WE HAVE UPDATES ON THIS?WHERE WE ARE. >> AND UPDATE NOW.
I WILL GET IN CONTACT AND PROVIDE IT TO YOU BY THE END OF
THE WEEK CERTAINLY. >> THANK YOU.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I WORK IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
THERE HAS BEEN AN UPDATE ON THIS, WE HAVE HAD MEETINGS WITH OUR STAFF TO TALK ABOUT SETTING A DEADLINE FOR MARSH LANDING.
WORKING ON GETTING A LETTER, STEPS THEY NEED TO TAKE.
SOME PERMITS THAT I DID GO OUT THAT THE COUNTY APPROVED, SOME WORK, SOME COMPLIANCE WORK FOR THEIR SYSTEM.
I THINK ONE OF THE RESIDENTS WILL SPEAK, THAT DID NOT GET ADDRESSED IN THE PERMIT.OME FOLLOW UP AND WORK THAT WE NEED TO GET THEM TO DO. TRY TO SET A TIMELINE FOR THEM.
THE LETTER UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
STAFF ISSUES ABSENT, WE HAVE TWO GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
WE WILL GET IT OUT AS SOON AS WE CAN.
>> HOW SOON ARE WE LOOKING? >> PROBABLY BY THE END OF THIS
WEEK. >> CAN YOU MAKE SURE PATRICK
UPDATES. >> NO PROBLEM.>> PUBLIC
MY NAME IS ANNA, OAKMONT COURT. I LIVE IN MARSH LANDING, EXPERIENCING FLOODING ISSUES WITH FLOODING FROM THE GOLF COURSE BEHIND OUR HOUSE, ALSO THE ROAD.
A RISK TO SMALL CHILDREN IN THE AREA.
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>> AT THIS TIME, MR. HILL PATENT ÃÃTHE CARWASH AND INSTEAD USE THE LAND AS A LEGACY IN HONOR OF MR. PAYTON, WHO GREW ONE OF NORTHEAST ÃÃ I'M SORRY, WHO GREW ONE NE.
JACKSONVILLE GAS STATION INTO ONE OF THE LARGEST PRIVATE COMPANIES IN FLORIDA. AN AMERICAN ENTREPRENEUR WHO WORKED TIRELESSLY TO GROW HIS BUSINESS FOR HIMSELF AND HIS FAMILY BUILDING ONE OF THE LARGEST COMPANIES IN OUR COMMUNITY. JUST IMAGINE IF HE WERE TO CREATE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WORKING TO CONSERVE AND PRESERVE SOME OF THE LAST TRUE FLORIDA LANDSCAPES.ITIZENS AND TOURISTS WILL PASS BY AND SEE THE GATE PORTAL. MINE IS A VERY, VERY PRIMITIVE MOCKED UP, BUT IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT PEOPLE CAN SEE.
IT COULD BE THE GATEWAY. THE ANASTASIA ISLAND.
IN HONOR OF MR. PAYTON, GATE CONTROL CORPORATION.
THE FAMILY AND YOUR FAMILY BUSINESS COULD RECOGNIZE AS A TRUE PARTNER IN AN ALMOST ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] WHAT'S UP THERE LISTENING. HONOR THE FATHER WITH THIS IDEA. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU FOR FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.
I'M DOING MILLER. I'M FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH.
I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY AS SOMEONE WHO REMAINS DEEPLY CONCERNED OVER THE PLIGHT OF MANY COUNTY RESIDENTS.
WHO FACE THE VERY REAL POSSIBILITY OF HOME LIMITS OF
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AUGUST 1. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PAY THE RENT AND UTILITIES.I KNOW IT'S NOT NEWS TO YOU. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT APPRECIATING WITH ALL THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND ÃÃ AND YOUR STAFF. HAVE DONE TO RECOGNIZE THIS EMERGENCY AND TRYING TO RESPOND ACCORDINGLY.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND IT'S WELL DOCUMENTED IN THE PRESS INCLUDING VERY ENCOURAGING ARTICLE ON SAINT AUGUSTINE RECORD. NEVERTHELESS, I HAVE THREE CONCERNS FIRST IS URGENCY. ONLY 12 DAYS LESS.
LEFT UNTIL PEOPLE WILL FACE EVICTION.
SO, THAT CONCERN IS RATHER OBVIOUS.
THE SECOND IS THE NEED TO REACH OUT AND HELP THOSE NEEDING ASSISTANCE. MOST OF THESE FAMILIES NEVER FACED EVICTION BEFORE AND FALL BEHIND IN PAYMENTS BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO OR WHERE TO GO. AND THEY MOST LIKELY WILL HAVE DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING AND NAVIGATING THE PROCESS.
IT'S A WELL-DOCUMENTED ISSUE NATIONALLY.
AND AS WELL AS FLORIDA. SINCE 2020.
IT'S JUST NOT GETTING THE MONEY.
THE THIRD THING IS THE $5000 LIMIT TO THE COUNTY EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM MET THE TEAM INADEQUATE IN THE COUNTY. I FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF A MAXIMUM DOLLAR LIMIT IN THE FEDERAL PROGRAM FOR PAYMENTS OVER THE COURSE OF 12 MONTHS. IF I AM CORRECT, THEN I HAVE TO ASK WHY IS THERE A DOLLAR LIMIT COUNTIES PROGRAM.
BENEFITS NOT REQUIRED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, I URGED.
IT IS REQUIRED FEDERALLY, I WOULD ASK THAT THE AMOUNT BE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED. I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE WITH 5000 PEOPLE DOLLARS THINK IT'S ENOUGH.
NO ONE IN THIS ROOM WANTS THESE FAMILIES TO BE HOMELESS IN AUGUST. UNDERSTAND THAT. OU WILL FORMER CONSTITUENTS.
YOUR CONTINUED WORSHIP. ÃÃYOUR PREACHERS, IN THIS COUNTY. TAKE ACTIONS, AGENCIES, PEOPLE LIKE THAT NOT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE.
AND ASK THEM. DON'T JUST RELY ON THIRD-PARTY ADMINISTRATORS FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEY SEEM AND WHAT ARE THEY DOING AND WHAT ARE THE PROBLEMS? I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
>> YES SIR. >> OKAY, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO
THIS. >> FEMALE: STORMING TIME.
BJ COLLATED CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE PASSED A LAW EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2021, WHICH REQUIRES PRIVATE REPORTS ALSO KNOWN AS CODE VIOLATIONS.
UST CONTAIN THE NAME AND ADDRESS OF THE PERSON REPORTING THE VIOLATION. THANKS TO POLITICIANS, RETRIBUTION WILL BE DIRECTED AT INDIVIDUALS WHILE THEY ADDRESS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF IS REDACTED FROM RECORDS.
THE PURPOSE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT IS TO ENHANCE QUALITY OF LIFE AND PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY.
THIS ACTION WILL LEAD TO FURTHER SLUMS AND WHITE IN THIS COUNTY AND CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
THE HIGHLIGHTED NAMES ARE THE POLITICIANS AGAINST THIS.
THEY ARE NOT FOUR. I SPOKE WITH HER THIS MORNING.
IT'S TRUE. THE ST. JOHN'S OFFICE WILL BE ANSWERING CALLS AFTER 5 PM FOR THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AS 200 YEARS, WE CELEBRATE JULY 10, UPCHURCH STATED THAT WE QUOTE TAKE HISTORY AND SAINT AUGUSTINE VERY SERIOUSLY. THE PROPERTY AT 112 MORRIS STREET IS ONE OF THE OLDEST SERVING BLACK SCHOOL BUILDINGS IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. IN 1917, 1924, 1930 SANBORN MAPS LISTED AS A COLORED OR NEGRO SCHOOL.
IT IS ACROSS THE SCHOOL FROM EXCEL SERIES SCHOOL IN LINCOLNVILLE. RUSTY COLLINS, RECENTLY PURCHASED THE BUILDING PLUS A VACANT LOT AND WANTS TO DEMOLISH IT. THE SOW'S EAR SCHOOL MUSEUM SHOULD HELP PROTECT THIS HISTORY AS WELL AS THE
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LINCOLNVILLE CRA. THE BCC SHOULD RESPECT THE BUILDING AS MUCH AS IT DOES DEVELOPERS AND LAWYERS." GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF BCC.
ANOTHER WORD WOULD BE GOOD. I JUST LEARNED THIS WORD.
AS YOU ARE, CII, LI, O US. SUPERCILIOUS.
IT'S A WORD. IN CLOSING, THIS REGINA ROSS, THE REWARD FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTY IS APP RECRI TED.
APPRECIATED. 29 OR 20 SECONDS.
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS AND SOMEONE SOMEHOW DO SOMETHING AND KEEP IT OR KEEP IT THERE.
AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT. THIS IS THE REAL HISTORY THAT WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT ALSO.
WE ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO SLIMNESS AT HEART.
THE CITY THIS WEEK. WANT TO BRING TO BCC TODAY.
EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? GOOD-LOOKING YOUNG MEN.
>> HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE YOU HAD YOUR GLASSES FIXED? GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ED.
I AM REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE AMERICAN VETERANS POST 45 ON STATE ROUTE 206. AND I'M HERE TO MAKE FOLKS AND POSSIBLY THE MEDIA A LITTLE BIT MORE AWARE OF OUR EFFORTS TO HELP THE YOUNG LADY BY THE NAME OF TAMMY BADER GIBBS.
SHE HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF OUR LADIES AUXILIARY PEOPLE.
HER SON, HER HUSBAND HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF OUR SONS ON THE COMMANDER THAT. FATHER-IN-LAW, ÃÃSHE IS ONE OF US. IF IT WEREN'T FOR FLAGLER HOSPITAL, SHE PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE HERE AND I WOULD NOT BE HERE. SOME OF YOU ARE AWARE POINT SHE'S GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. MECHANICAL SURE.
SHE'S 43. SHE'S GOT THREE SONS.
TO GET MARRIED THIS WEEKEND. AND SHE'S SUFFERED FROM A SUBSTANTIALLY BAD INFECTION. THE STAPH INFECTION DAMN NEAR TOOK HER LIFE. SHE STATED AFTER THREE WEEKS AND PUT HER IN MONTHS. LONG STORY SHORT, WE ARE TRYING TO INCREASE PUBLIC AWARENESS OF OUR EVENT THAT WE ARE KICKING THE END OF THIS MONTH. THE 31ST.
THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND RAISE THE MONEY FOR QUITE A BIT OF IT.
AND SHE'S A GOOD LADY. THE FUNNY PART ABOUT IT, SHE WAS INVOLVED IN COURT CHARITY WORK FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
IN MY GROUP. ON THE RECEIVING END.
SO, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ALL DAY.
SHE THE SIXTH COUNCILMEMBER WITH THIS DIALOGUE BETWEEN HER.
I APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC AWARENESS.
[Additional Item]
NOT ASKING FOR PUBLIC SO THAT WE CAN THE MONEY FOR THIS YOUNG LADY YOU KNOW ANYBODY TO HELP OR ANY OF THE MEDIA THAT YOU CAN POINT ME TO MY STORY AND I'M STICKING TO IT.GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU. AND LADIES.
>> THANK YOU. OKAY, THAT COMPLETES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT SURE.
>> GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSE.
WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
I'M GONNA ASK ALL OF US TO ASSEMBLE FRONT HERE NOW.
SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA.
[LAUGHTER] MISS ROSS, PLEASE JOIN US.
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[INDISCERNIBLE] THOSE OF YOU THAT THE REGINA KNOWS THAT THIS IS WHERE THEY WANTED TO GO RIGHT NOW.IT'S A HAPPY DAY AND THE SAID DAY.
IT'S A SAD DAY FOR ALL THIS, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA MISS HER TREMENDOUSLY. I JUST WANT TO GO OVER BRIEFLY SOME INCREDIBLE COMPLIMENTS. SHE'S BEEN WITH THE COUNTY SINCE I'M SORRY, SINCE 2007. THAT'S INCREDIBLE.
14 YEARS, SHE HAS SERVED OUR ELECTED LEADERS AND STAFF.
IN GIVING GREAT LEGAL ADVICE. INCREDIBLE FOR A LAWYER.
PEOPLE MOVE AROUND A LOT. SO, THAT'S INCREDIBLE COMMITMENT. SHE'S A LEADER POLITICAL COMMITTEE. SHE HAS ACHIEVED CITY LOCAL LAW CERTIFICATE, WHICH IS DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE.
SHE IS AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE DOMAIN.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, SHE HAS BEEN A FRIEND TO OUR STAFF AND ALMOST AS COMMISSIONERS. OUR VERY HAPPY FOR HER, BECAUSE SHE'S GOING ON TO A GREAT JOB AS AN ATTORNEY.NCREDIBLE.
WE ARE VERY SAD TO LOSE HER TODAY.
WE JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE APPRECIATION.
[APPLAUSE] >> FEMALE: THANK YOU ALL.
IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE. THE VERY MIXED BLESSING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT HAVE TO SAY GOODBYE TO SOME PEOPLE. I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. MCCORMICK FOR TAKING A CHANCE ON ME IN HIRING VERY YOUNG ATTORNEY, WHO IS NOT QUITE EXPERIENCED IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND LAW.
ALSO MENTOR. I'D LIKE TO THANK DIANE LEHMAN AND JUDY HAMILTON, WHO IS NO LONGER WITH US.
BECAUSE THEY WERE THE TWO PARALEGALS WHO TALK MORE IN A FEW MONTHS THEN LAW SCHOOL EVER DID.
I THINK ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES IN THE OFFICE.
THEY ARE AN AMAZING GROUP OF PROFESSIONALS.
THEY WORK HARD AND ARE DEDICATED, BUT THEY ALSO BECOME FRIENDS. I'M NOT CRYING, YOU ARE.
AND I WANT TO THANK OUR BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THE STAFF, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, YOUR CONFIDENCE AND HOLDING ME ACCOUNTABLE. JUST BEING A GOOD FRIEND OF FRIENDS THAT I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE.
THANK YOU ALL. I APPRECIATE IT.
YOU WILL BE SEEING ME IN THE FUTURE, I'M NOT GOING AWAY COMPLETELY. IN MY PLEASURE TO SERVE AT ST.
[APPLAUSE] FOUR WILL NOW MOVE INTO
[Commissioners’ Reports]
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COMMISSION REPORTS. >> I'VE GOT ALL I CAN HANDLE FOR THE DAY. HAVE NO REPORTS SIR.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. >> MALE COMMISSIONER: AND KEEP IT SHORT. I DO WANT TO WISH MY WIFE A HAPPY ANNIVERSARY. THE 23RD.
IT'LL BE 33 YEARS. PLASTER I WAS IN CRITICAL CARE FOR OUR ANNIVERSARY. UNFORTUNATELY SHE'S ON HER WAY TO PENNSYLVANIA. WE WILL NOT SPEND THIS ONE TOGETHER EITHER. I AM HAVING SOME YELLOW ROSES LIKE NORMAL AGAIN TO LAST. THE OTHER THING I THINK WE ALREADY ADDRESSED WITH LEGAL STAFF IS LOOKING TO BRING IT TO HOW WE CAN HAVE DEVELOPERS, HAD BEEN TIME TO GET THE CONCURRENCE AND INFORMATION THAT WE NEED.
I THINK WE CAN TOUCH ON THAT. AND THAT'S IT.
MR. GINA, THANK YOU. TEACH US SOME THINGS TO AND I APPRECIATE YOU HELPING OVER THE YEARS.
>> MALE COMMISSIONER: I'LL BE BRIEF.
WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT THIS AFTERNOON.
IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. I WAS GOING TO ASK PATRICK MCCORMICK TO GET AN UPDATE ON THE MARSH CREEK CELL TOWER.
THERE'S A CELL TOWER THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED ON A 1A IT'S WITHIN THE MARSH CREEK PUD BUT IT'S ON A PUD DRIVEWAY.
AND I TALKED ABOUT IT SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT REQUIRES COUNTY PERMIT AND NOT SOME ISSUE.
AND IT'S BEEN A WHILE AND THERE ARE PEOPLE REMINDING THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. I'LL PASS ALONG REQUEST.
THAT ACTION IS NEEDED. ACTION.
I AM PREPARED TO DO THAT MAKE A MOTION TO THAT.
TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE QUICKLY. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN, AN UPDATE ON THAT. I WENT TO COMMUNITY MEETING ON THAT. AFTER THE MEETING, SPOKE TO PATRICK IN OUR DEPARTMENT THAT HANDLES THE RED WINGS.
THEY DID NOT ENERGIZE THAT AREA.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE COUNTY ENERGIZE THE RIGHT CAR.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S KIND OF BEEN THERE COURT PERMIT.
TOWER HAS NOT BEEN ENERGIZED BY THE PARLIAMENT TO IF WE GET COUNTY APPROVED.
[LAUGHTER] I REALLY, IN A, I WAS SURPRISED TO FIND OUT, I DON'T THAT THAT WAS MY DISTRICT.
I JUST FIGURED YOU IS LIKE GOLF IN YOUR DISTRICT.
[LAUGHTER] >> LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR.
IT'S YOUR DISTRICT. >> IT'S IN YOUR DISTRICT.
>> THERE ARE ABOUT 50 OR 60 GOLFERS.
THE DAM TOWER. >> I HAVE TO ADMIT IT, BECAUSE HENRY IS YOUR COMMISSION. NO, WE ARE ON ÃÃI SAID I WILL BE THERE.
[LAUGHTER] >> I SPENT MORE TIME IN MARSH CREEK THAN AT HOME PROBABLY.
[LAUGHTER] >> I WILL GO VERY QUICKLY.
I'M GOING TO ASK AND SEE IF WE CAN KIND OF ÃÃWE HAD AN ISSUE WITH REPUBLIC TRASH. SERVICE, WE BEEN HEARING A LOT OF SERVICE AND COMPLAINT ABOUT THAT.
AND ASK OUR STAFF TO UPDATE US ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT.
MY CONCERN GOING FORWARD, THIS COULD BE RESOLVED.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THIS WAS HANDLED.
HOW THESE DIFFERENT COMPANIES ARE DEALING WITH THIS PROBLEM.
WE NEED TO GET MORE ANSWERS ON THAT.
THE KIND OF CONTRACT. KIND OF SEE WHERE WE ARE AT.
THE OF SOMETHING? MR. WHITEHURST, I KNOW THIS HAS
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IMPACTED YOUR DISTRICT AS WELL. >> THING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE FIRST THING THAT COMES OUT OF PEOPLE'S MOUTHS IS THE A, WE ARE PAYING FOR THE SERVICES.
AND I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT DEGREE WE ISSUE A REFUND.
THEY DON'T WANT THE MONEY BACK. THEY WANT THE SERVICE.
>> THEY ARE PAYING FOR. >> YES SIR.
GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP TO. >> AND OUT OF THE ANSWERS RIGHT NOW. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS, LOOKING AT IT. I KNOW YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS.
YOU MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT A SMALL ALTERNATIVE.
SEE IF WE HAVE MORE CONSENSUS TODAY TO LOOK AT THAT GOING FORWARD. DON'T NEED ANOTHER MEETING, BUT MY CONCERN IS NOT SO MUCH THIS. WHAT HAPPENS NEXT TIME?
THIS BECOMES A PATTERN. >> MR. CHAIR, IT'S OKAY, THE CHECK TO THE COMMISSION, FOR MAKING APPROPRIATE SUGGESTION WITH YOUR GUIDANCE, GIVE CONSENSUS OF COURSE.
PRODUCING A WHITE PAPER FREE WILL.
ON AN UPDATE. I KNOW ALL OF YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WITH THE REQUEST. I KNOW I SPOKE TO THESE THREE OR FOUR OF YOU. MR. CALDWELL HAS REACHED OUT DIRECTLY TO GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS DIRECTORS WITH WITH MANAGEMENT AND THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO AT THIS TIME IS TO PROVIDE A WHITE PAPER FOR WE ARE ON THE CONTRACT.
AND THEN BRING THOSE BACK TO YOU ALL FOR FUTURE POLICY DISCUSSION. SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE THAT.
WE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE.
IT'S NO SECRET THAT THE INDUSTRY AND MATTER OF FACT, WAS AT A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE MEETING.
I HEARD FROM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS IS AN INDUSTRY WIDE PROBLEM. I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO EMPLOY PEOPLE AND RISING COSTS AND ALL THESE THINGS.
BEFORE WE TAKE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION, BE BEST TO PROVIDE TO YOU WITH THE STATUS OF THESE CONTRACTS ARE.
AND THEN YOU WILL ALL KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO PURSUE. EVIEWING THIS CONTRACT.
WE CAN WORK WITH LEGAL TO DETERMINE WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE AND WHERE THE CONTRACTS STAND NOW.
YOU CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION SEE?
A BETTER DECISION. >> IS THERE CONSENSUS? ALL RIGHT. SO, WHITE PAPER.
DISCREETLY, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
LET'S MAKE IT GO QUICKLY. I WILL HAVE MORE DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT WORKSHOPS FOR THE SMALL CONTEST GOING TO BE SCHEDULED FOR THAT AS WELL. WE DON'T USE THIS VERY OFTEN.
AS FAR AS A COMMITTEE TYPE SYSTEM.
WHEN WE ARE DOING THAT. COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER DEAN, LOOKING FOR A NEW COUNTY ATTORNEY.
I HAVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT THAT. WE DON'T GET TO TALK ABOUT THIS LIKE WE DO NOW. LIKE SUNSHINE.
I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF FINE-TUNE SOME DATES WITH THAT AND SEE IF THERE WERE SOME WAYS.
OBVIOUSLY, IT'S IN DEVELOPMENT. MR. WHITEHURST, WALTER JUST BROUGHT IT UP.IT WAS BROUGHT UP TODAY.
GET SOME IDEAS ON HOW WE COULD MAYBE DO THIS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT GOING FORWARD. A NOTE TO LONG DAY.
WE ARE ALL KIND OF TAP THAT RIGHT NOW.
I'M GONNA PUT THAT OUT THERE. I WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF FOR STAYING LATE TONIGHT AND WORKING HARD.
GOING TO LUNCH. YOU GUYS ARE INCREDIBLE AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK AND THANK YOU FOR THE LEADERSHIP. THAT WAS SHOWN TODAY.
AGAIN, REGINA, WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU.
WE APPRCIATE YOU. ONE OF THE FIRST EXPERIENCES THAT I HAD WITH YOU IS THAT PART OF BEING ON THE BOARD AND YOUR PROFESSIONALISM IN RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S A HIGH-LEVEL OPERATOR. THOSE ARE INCREDIBLE SHOES TO FILL. WE APPRECIATE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING AND TELL YOUR MOM I SAID HELLO.
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ALL RIGHT? ALL RIGHT.ALSO, IN THE SPIRIT OF ANNIVERSARIES, I ALSO WANT TO WISH LAUREN PATRICIA A HAPPY ANNIVERSARY OR ANNIVERSARY ON THE 31ST. AND WE WERE NOT ABLE TO CELEBRATE LAST YEAR, BECAUSE LAST YEAR OUR SCHEDULES WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE. BUT THE COVID MISSION.
WE ARE HOPING TO CELEBRATE A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR.
I'M SORRY YOU GUYS ARE NOT TO BE ABLE TO.
I'M GLAD THAT YOU ARE HERE. I'M GLAD YOU'RE ABLE TO SPEND SOME TIME TOGETHER. SO, ON THAT NOTE, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE AND IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER BUSINESS, WE ARE ADJOURNED. I'M IN SUCH A HURRY TO GET DONE HERE. I'M SORRY.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MATT GAVEL MEANS.
>> YOU COPY MITCH STROKE. >> I'M SORRY.
>> I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> NO, NO, NO.
>> A COUPLE OF NEW EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD BE CONFRONTED.
IF I MAY BRIEFLY SHARE WITH YOU AS YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS AT THIS POINT. MY RESPONSIBILITY IS YOUR ADMINISTRATOR TO HIRE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND COME BEFORE YOU FOR THE CONFIRMATION OR NOT CONFIRMATION.
THIS AFTERNOON, THIS EVENING NOW.
PRESENTING TO TWO OF THOSE. I GIVE YOU BACKGROUND.
ANY QUESTIONS THEY MIGHT HAVE. FIRST OFF IS MR. RYAN KANE.
AND HE COME TO US. FROM CONCORDE.HE TOWN OF CONCORDE MASSACHUSETTS IS THE DIRECTOR THERE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS. AND THEN SOUTH WINDSOR CONNECTICUT, HE WAS THE PARKS AND RECREATION ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR OVER 10 YEARS. HE'S GOT HIS MBA, SPORTS
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MANAGEMENT, AND SO, HE'S HERE BEFORE YOU ALL.AS YOUR PROFFERED RECREATION AND PARK DIRECTOR OF CONFIRMATION. WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE THIS AND PENDING YOUR APPROVAL. THAT DOES NEED A MOTION.
>> I WILL MOVE THE CONFIRMATION.
MR. CHAIR? >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH IN THE SECOND COMMISSIONER DEAN.
PUBLIC COMMENT. >> COMMENT ON THE CONFIRMATION.
THE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WITH EMOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND THEN FURTHER DISCUSSION. OUR, PLEASE VOTE.
CONGRATULATIONS. >> I LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING THE COUNTY AND THE COMMISSION. FOR YOU AS WELL.
THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE ONE MORE FOR YOU.
MR. YOUNG RECENTLY RETIRED FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT.OU THIS AFTERNOON IS MR. COLIN BROUGHT. HE COMES TO US FROM THE CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH. ORGANS FROM THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF ASSISTANT MANAGER. BEFORE THAT HE WAS WITH JES THE DIRECTOR FOR STRATEGIC BUSINESS AND DISTRICT ENERGY SERVICES FOR APPROXIMATELY 15 YEARS. HE ALSO WORKED AT A NUMBER OF CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES. BOTH ADMINISTRATION, PUBLIC WORKS, AND UTILITY INDUSTRY. GRATEFUL TO HAVE HIM HERE.
HE'S ALSO BEFORE YOU HEAR WANT TO TALK TO EACH OF YOU.
>> GLAD TO BE HERE. JUST LIKE MR. KANE, THAT WOULD
BE A MOTION FOR SECOND. >> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[INDISCERNIBLE] >> I WILL SECOND THAT.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN SECOND.
PUBLIC,? >> IN PUBLIC COMMENT ON BOARD APPROVAL? THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. PLEASE VOTE.
CONGRATULATIONS, WELCOME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE. LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING EACH OF YOU. IT'S MY SECOND A PRIVATE HAD A
CHANCE TO DO THAT. >> YOU BEEN HERE SINCE 8
O'CLOCK THIS MORNING. >> HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE SINCE
EIGHT. >> WITH A LUNCH PAIL READY TO
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. I DO A VERY GOOD JOB FOR YOU
AND THE CITIZENS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND THEN ONE MORE THING. RELATED TO THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT, AS YOU ALL KNOW, I SENT YOU AN EMAIL BEFORE THE LAST BOARD MEETING. STAFF WAS GIVEN NOTICE OF AN APPLICATION AND GRANT APPLICATION.
WE DO HAVE TIME TO BRING IT TO YOU FOR THE LAST BOARD MEETING.
SO, THEN THE DEADLINES THAT APPLY IS JULY 15.
THAT PRECEDED THIS.HAT MEETING SO, I DIRECTED STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. IT DOES NEED GRATIFICATION FROM THE SPORT TO CONTINUE ON. CERTAINLY, THE SPORT CONVICTED A DECISION FOR US TO WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION.
ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO DENY AT THE APPROPRIATION SHOULD WE RECEIVE THAT.
DIRECTION ACTUALLY RATIFICATION OF THE GRANT APPLICATION
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.